WebGUI irc logs from: 2015-01.log

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webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/6fc5d3c27964a2cf1255ac28c036cf2b7cb8fdf323:36
webguicommitswebgui/master 6fc5d3c Scott Walters: Asset Package functions missing  (#12425)...23:36
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ckotilsomeone is rewriting HTTP_HOST in my webgui setup. I think I found a way to patch it , by setting UseCanonicalName On and changing any mention of HTTP_HOST to SERVER_NAME23:04
@scrottiethey're rewriting HTTP_HOST in your WebGUI setup?  in a proxy before the host?  or in the apache config on that host?23:12
@scrottiethat's odd.23:12
ckotilyeah!23:12
ckotiltry it yourself23:13
ckotilopenssl s_client -connect some.webgui.host:44323:13
ckotil[wait for the connection to initialise]23:13
ckotilGET http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.123:13
ckotilHost: www.yahoo.com23:13
ckotilcheck your logs it will be a successfull 200 to http://www.yahoo.com23:13
ckotiland your HTTP_HOST will be www.yahoo.com 23:13
ckotilgranted, those dont have to match.23:13
ckotilit sounds similiar to this http://serverfault.com/questions/654566/apache-logs-full-url-rather-than-uri23:15
ckotiloh and i think webgui is succeptable , because of the mod_proxy server which cache's content23:19
ckotilthis can poison the cache23:20
@scrottiemind opening a bug for that on webgui.org?  hopefully Colin can deal with that and I can continue to not touch Apache.23:22
@scrottieit's been a few years.23:22
ckotilyeah no problem. im performing a maintenance tonight. to see if my fix will work23:23
ckotilwhich is settin UseCanonicalName On and switching the env variables HTTP_HOST to SERVER_NAME23:23
ckotilim just concerned my many vhosts will go haywire.23:25
@scrottiefor sure.  do you have a test/staging setup?23:47
ckotilyeah, tested and it seems to be working23:48
ckotilhowever, i only have one vhost htese days :/23:48
ckotilbut if it works on this one named vhost, i dont see why i wont work on the others 23:49
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webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/4cbd215d5df2976fa90ec228f02a097e281dbc1600:34
webguicommitswebgui/master 4cbd215 Scott Walters: jquery....00:34
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ckotilscrottie: looking pretty good on the proxy cache poisoning front. had some attempts arrive since I applied the fix, and im not seeing their host in my cache16:44
ckotilbug submitted16:55
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webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/cfb41c03c89ede5dca60da7180303d127333abb118:34
webguicommitswebgui/master cfb41c0 Scott Walters: pull jquery in in the root/import/adminconsole/edit-asset template as well...18:34
@scrottiethanks, ckotil19:53
@scrottiehopefully security fixes still get priority.19:54
webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/1164cf93d8045ef6c7c67772f5bf83886ac8983420:01
webguicommitswebgui/master 1164cf9 Scott Walters: Hoverhelp should be icon or question-mark  (#11820)...20:01
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webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/1f8059ff91d1ed3302150432a397cd304a39423921:52
webguicommitswebgui/master 1f8059f Scott Walters: turning on admin inside the admin...21:52
webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/deb7402367de00bd040ab66f870fe794cd1e3f7922:25
webguicommitswebgui/master deb7402 Scott Walters: Asset Package functions missing  (#12425)...22:25
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webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/44158474fc7c0e042d7d3d9765edbc8fa19467e523:08
webguicommitswebgui/master 4415847 Scott Walters: Group manager buttons are missing  (#12426)...23:08
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ckotilAnyone happen to know why you can't search for net+ in webgui?21:05
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jeeshofoneHello people of #webgui, I have a question on searching.  I need to find a term "ISIS", or "IS-IS" (no not the terror group, i.e. ISIS adjacency) however due to the stop word "is" return incorrect results. Thoughts?22:57
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webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/44158474fc7c...9c8cd0b029d503:14
webguicommitswebgui/master c354d8f Scott Walters: Revert "spectre.pl requires Devel::Size; wasn't tested for in testEnvironment.pl"...03:14
webguicommitswebgui/master 9c8cd0b Scott Walters: Newer perls emits a host of warnings about experimenal features #21...03:14
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@scrottiehi jeeshofone18:27
jeeshofonehello18:27
@scrottiehi ckotil18:27
jeeshofoneI think ckotil might be afk for a bit18:28
@scrottiehrm.  it's odd that stopwords (like "is") apply to the middle of larger words.  usually stop words apply to stand alone words, like "is"18:28
@scrottiethe stopwords are configurable though if memory serves18:30
@scrottiehrm.  nope.  hard-coded in lib/WebGUI/Search.pm18:30
@scrottie    return 1 if $stopwords =~ /\b$word\b/xms;18:31
@scrottiebut should work on word boundaries18:31
@scrottieand case sensitive too18:31
jeeshofoneagree, ckotil knows more about it than I. Removing "is" from the stop word list basically makes search unusable, returns anything with "is" in it.18:31
jeeshofonewe're about to head to friday dev lunch, will you be on later ?18:33
@scrottieyeah, I'll be around18:33
@scrottieenjoy18:33
jeeshofonethanks scrottie18:33
@scrottiesure thing18:34
@scrottieterm ISIS* is stop word:  at /data/WebGUI8/lib/WebGUI/Search.pm line 394.18:38
@scrottiewarn "term $term is stop word: " . $self->_isStopword($term);18:41
@scrottieokay, "ISIS*" is what's being fed to _isStopword, and isStopword is returning negative18:41
@scrottiebut it's not finding it on my dev wG8 either.  not sure why.18:41
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ckotilhey scrottie , jeeshofone is my newest coworker!19:48
ckotilthe next thing I wanted to try was turn up mysql logging and see what queries were actually beeing issued when performing the search. i know wg uses the webgui fulltext search and 'matching' 'against'19:49
@scrottiecongrats on the new gig, jeeshofone19:50
* scrottie is a bit distracted at the moment with a Raspberry Pi A+19:50
ckotili have 2 gen 2 B's myself19:51
ckotilthey rock19:51
@scrottieoh, and now people are trying to lunch19:51
@scrottieI was a huge fan of the BifferBoard, but they stopped making them19:51
@scrottieChinese 486 clone19:51
@scrottiewhich let me run basically whichever OS I wanted19:52
@scrottieand much smaller19:52
ckotilat the moment we have a beagleboard, a bannanapi, and something that starts with an M in the office now for testing small and cheap network test points using perfSonar19:52
@scrottiebut the A+ is pretty small and there are a couple of BSD's and Slack for Pi now19:52
@scrottieheh, nice19:52
ckotilMirabox19:53
@scrottieI always wanted a DNARK Shark or old Acorn or something, or one of the EV boards that had an ARM on it, but the first machine I got was an EmbeddedARM 7200, when a friend started working there19:53
@scrottiealways thought the ARM instruction set/design was awesome19:53
ckotilwhat are you doing with the pi?19:54
@scrottieheh19:54
@scrottiesomething I really should be doing with an 8051... trying to make another talking toaster19:54
ckotilmaybe so unless part of your goal is to do it cheaply19:55
@scrottieseems like a waste of an entire Unix machine, and I like making work for myself19:56
@scrottiestaying with friends who have one of these babies:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-SUNBEAM-TOASTER-RADIANT-CONTROL-MODEL-20-3-AG-Shiny-Chrome-/231444106555?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e324cd3b19:56
haargscrottie: i looked at that issue report re: storage.  i honestly don't know exactly what it was about.  wish i had written that bug report better.19:56
@scrottieit's awesome.  you put the toast in it, and it lowers the bread down slowly, then when the toast is radiating jus the right amount of heat, it slowly raises it back up again19:57
@scrottieoh, hi haarg!19:57
ckotiloh you were'nt kidding! i thought the talking toaster was a joke. :)19:57
@scrottiehaarg, okay, no problem.  if it's serious, eventually people will probably figure it out again.19:57
@scrottiethe talking toaster is a joke, and if I succeed, this will be my second19:57
@scrottiewhen I stay with people, I like to make their taoster talk, as a sort of thank you gift19:57
ckotilpeople like beer too ;)19:58
@scrottiefirst one has a random library of clips like the "I'm a pretty pony, clippidy clop, clippidy clop" and the banana phone song it plays19:58
@scrottiethis one will do more Month Python19:58
@scrottieheh19:58
@scrottieI usually do that too19:58
haargto some extent it seems like it was a complaint about the design more than something causing a real issue.  but i could see how versioning or something could cause issues related to what it was talking about.19:59
@scrottiehaarg, it kind of read like an optimization/cleanup suggestion, yeah.20:00
@scrottieI've changed priorities a lot from Doug (also been MIA for a few months there; oops)20:00
@scrottieI think Doug did *plenty* of internals cleanups for one version.  more should be put off until the next version.  time for spit and polish.20:01
@scrottieI'll keep the ticket open but demote it from "blocking/required"20:01
@scrottiehaven't forgotten the search thing either... dumping out stuff to see what it's trying to do... looks like it's restricted to specified classes... need more info... going to get pulled AFK a bit here too20:05
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jeeshofonethanks scrottie, i like it here :)20:08
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ckotilscrottie: ((match (keywords) against ('"is-is*"' in boolean mode))20:56
@scrottieare you searching for is-is or ISIS?21:01
@scrottie+to find a term "ISIS", or "IS-IS" (no not the terror group, i.e. ISIS21:02
@scrottiehttps://gist.github.com/anonymous/8b4f9f1dc58864237c1a21:03
@scrottieno idea about your setup, but on my setup, I'm seeing two things right now... the query parameters are out of order, and the isPublic flag in assetIndex is set to 021:16
@scrottie  `isPublic` int(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT '1', 21:19
@scrottiedoes search work at all on your site?21:23
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@scrottieokay, I'm guessing "search parameters in the wrong order" was just inadequacy of my diagnostic output21:28
@scrottieand I did manage to get ISIS to work, but IS-IS would likely run in to trouble with stop words, though I don't see where it lowercases or case insensitive compares stuff21:29
@scrottiesearch might only search under the current asset, excluding the current asset21:31
@scrottieI put a patch for diagnostic logging in the comments at https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8b4f9f1dc58864237c1a21:32
@scrottieanswer my questions and give me the output of that if you want me to look more21:32
@scrottienot sure why things were marked private sometimes.  I approved the version tag and it didn't happen.  don't see code to update that, but maybe it's in there somewhere.  weakly and tentitively, it seems to be working on my system.  please feel free to open a bug ticket on webgui.org.21:32
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ckotilthe issue lies entirely in mysql, and with fulltext search22:36
ckotilbut to get around that we can just put "" around is-is, and it works like you'd expect.22:36
ckotilbc is-is (not the terror group, the routing protocol) does make it into the assetKeywords table22:37
ckotilso wg is doing the right thing, and is-is doesnt hit the stop words22:37
ckotils/assetKeywords/assetIndex/22:42
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ckotilbleh i can't figure out how wg adds these quotes to the query ((match (keywords) against ('+\"is-is\"*' in boolean mode))23:26
ckotilseems to be in SQL::ResultSet->excute right at the sth->execute. so DBI is doing it?23:57
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ckotiluntil next week. have a good weekend.00:06
@scrottiedidn't trace through that bit (adding quotes)00:08
@scrottiea good weekend to you too!00:08
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ckotilre: is-is , dbi is definately escaping the quotes, execute() which calls quote(). to prevent sql injection. however due to the nature of mysql full text search boolean operators , is-is without quotes means search for is, a stop word , but DONT search for is. lulz16:12
@scrottiehrm.  I was sure I saw wG pass parameters to execute in execute()17:20
@scrottieso it shouldn't need quote()17:20
@scrottieall of the search parameters should be passed as positional parameters, with ?'s in the SQL17:21
@scrottiedo you have a file and line number where quote() is happening?17:21
ckotili think execute calls quote17:24
ckotili know quote isnt happening in wg for this17:25
@scrottieer, sorry, parameters to prepare()18:34
@scrottieprepare() specifically does not modify the data in any way, but passes it cleanly18:34
@scrottiewai18:34
@scrottiewait18:34
@scrottiehaven't used DBI directly in a while18:34
@scrottieprepare() has just the SQL with ? placeholders18:35
@scrottieexecute() has just the data and does not quote it or modify it in any way18:35
@scrottiethis is why Perl apps don't garbage 's that appear in data like PHP does18:35
ckotili added some logging of my own. and confirmed that wg is passing the term +"is-is*" to dbi via execute18:35
@scrottiebut I also don't know how MySQL's full text searching ("match") works18:35
ckotiland then when i see the query in mysqld log it's +\"is-is*\"18:35
@scrottiebizarre.  I have to guess that mysql's logging adds the "18:36
@scrottieer adds the \18:36
@scrottieif it were actually searching for (litterally) "is-is  it wouldn't match anything.18:36
ckotilright18:36
ckotilbc -is would be NOT is18:37
@scrottieokay.  the quotes make it literal (again, not familiar with this MySQL feature), but wG isn't adding the \ to make the quotes literal.18:38
@scrottieand I'm pretty sure DBI isn't either.18:38
ckotilcorrect18:38
ckotilhrm, mysql then?18:43
@scrottiemy guess is the \'s were just added to the logging output18:44
@scrottiefor some dumb reason18:44
@scrottieif "s make things literal, I can't imagine MySQL always automatically escapes them, turning them into literal quotes18:45
ckotilyeah that wouldnt be right. 18:46
ckotilsurely someone has solved for searching for say 'c++'18:50
ckotilor anything hyphenated 18:51
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@scrottieI'd really have to read the MySQL docs to say19:41
@scrottieI was able to search for "IS-IS" and have it show up on my wG8 test rig19:41
@scrottieif there's a test case that's not working on wG8, I need to fix it (eventually)19:42
@scrottieI had to approve the asset, and I think there's logic (didn't test to verify this) where it only finds things under the current asset when you search19:42
@scrottienot site wide, which is both potentially and counter intuitive19:42
ckotilah nice. i should try it on the wg7 demo site19:46
ckotilour site has some search scope features too. global, just this branch, or the top of this branch19:48
ckotil"is-is" doenst work on wg7 demo 19:52
ckotildoes "net+" work on wg8? that's another case id like to get working on 719:53
@scrottieI was testing for "IS-IS" when I tested (and started tracing around)19:54
@scrottiedoes that work for you, if you commit the asset?19:54
ckotilhttp://demo.webgui.org/demo1421084993_625/style-underground/search19:55
ckotili added the contenthere http://demo.webgui.org/demo1421084993_625/documentation19:55
@scrottiedoes searching for "IS-IS"?19:59
ckotilno results found19:59
@scrottie"IS-IS" and "ISIS" were the two originally reported failures19:59
ckotil"isis" works19:59
ckotil(not on the demo site tho, bc there is no content containing "isis")20:00
@scrottieif you can give me a clearly reproducable case on 8 (where you commit the asset and search ini an asset above it and it's one of the supported assets including Snippet), I'll look in to it20:00
@scrottieI also ca't trace things on the demo site20:00
ckotilk. ill have to get an 8 site :)20:01
@scrottieif it works on 8 but Colin20:02
@scrottieer, but not on 720:02
ckotilheh20:03
@scrottieor else find something that fails on 7 that fits that critera and give me clear instructiosn for reproducing it and I'll try it on 820:03
ckotilwell, figure that foo-foo would do the same thing20:03
@scrottiealso, my mother told me today that the new power brick fixes her Mac Mini and it doesn't power off any more, but the T-Mobile MiFi thingie (not her words) makes the computer power off now when it powers off, but her computer isn't powering off any more20:04
ckotili dont think the fact is happens to be a stopword is the problem. it's the -20:04
@scrottie"foo-foo" does what same thing?  show up or not?20:04
@scrottieagain, "IS-IS" worked for me.  did it work for you?20:04
ckotilwell i expect it to not show up20:04
* ckotil tries20:04
@scrottieverify that you approved the asset?20:05
@scrottieand you're searching from above it in the tree?20:05
ckotilsunova.. foo-foo works. 20:06
@scrottiecan you list what does and doesn't work, and verify that you're commiting the asset, and tell me which asset you're using (that the text is in), and searching from above it in the tree?20:07
ckotilfollowing-following does not work,and is also a stop word in mysql and wg720:08
@scrottieyou didn't confirm that list of things I aske dyou to confirm like five times =P20:10
@scrottieafk20:11
ckotili committed, and i was at the top level20:11
@scrottiethanks20:39
@scrottieokay, let me try that one20:39
@scrottieieee21:44
@scrottietoday hurts21:44
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@scrottiehaaaaarg22:34
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@scrottiehttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/fulltext-boolean.html22:45
@scrottiehttps://gist.github.com/scrottie/559689336a534460bb2122:53
@scrottiehttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/fulltext-stopwords.html22:54
@scrottieinteresting that both wG and MySQL have stopwords22:54
* ckotil nods22:54
ckotiltho, wg uses them to stop words from getting into assetIndex22:54
@scrottiebut yeah, I can confirm that wG is sending the data "binary clean" with prepare/execute22:54
@scrottieright22:54
ckotilright. that's what I've found too22:54
@scrottieit looks like there's a way to delete stopwords in MySQL22:55
ckotiland assuming mysql query logging is accurate, that leaves DBI 22:55
@scrottiebut my MySQL was too old to test it... the INNODB_FT_DEFAULT_STOPWORD table isn't in the 'information_schema' database22:55
@scrottieguess I should upgrade22:55
ckotilmines too old too im sure22:55
@scrottieif DBI started manging binary data, things would start blowing up very quickly22:56
@scrottieI've often in the past stuffed images or other thoroughly binary data into MySQL22:56
@scrottiefor all of MySQL's problems, and DBI's, it hasn't messed that up22:56
ckotilDBI is just escaping double quotes, is all.22:56
ckotilit's 'helping'!22:56
@scrottieDBI shouldn't escape *anything* if you use prepare/execute22:56
@scrottiedata is length counted22:56
@scrottieyou can literally put a jpeg into the database and pull it back out, 100% unchanged22:57
@scrottienulls, quotes, and all22:57
ckotilyeah true22:57
@scrottieif you send everything to $dbh->execute("update foo set baz = '$baz'") that you need to start quoting stuff and escaping it.22:58
@scrottieyeck.22:58
@scrottieupgrade mysql and clear out its stop word table?22:59
@scrottieon a dev system?22:59
@scrottiesorry I was kind of slow.  lots of craziness today.22:59
ckotilsorry went to a meeting and ended up not getting power.23:49
ckotilhrm that's not a bad idea!23:49
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webguicommits[webgui] scrottie pushed 13 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/9c8cd0b029d5...06daded88fc918:22
webguicommitswebgui/master ad64c70 Scott Walters: smartmartch 'use experimental' goo for you too18:22
webguicommitswebgui/master cf9e3cb Scott Walters:  Finish replacing Image::Magick with Imager #28...18:22
webguicommitswebgui/master 574b438 Scott Walters: Hey boys and girls, here's a new thing!  The output of 'prove'...18:22
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@scrottieyarrr.19:13
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@scrottieyarr.02:15
@scrottieI had a bit of a commit flood for a while there.  most of the old webgui.org bugs are closed out.  I'm in the middle of the Image::Magick->Imager migration right now (which haarg started and half finished)02:16
@scrottiehaarg didn't fix unit tests as he went so I wound up in the old chicken and egg situation of trying to change internals without having passing unit tests02:17
haargyerp02:17
@scrottiebut it was unfinished and I'm grateful for the half-finished work =)  no shame =)02:17
@scrottie(I pissed off colin the other day... I need to watch my mouth)02:17
@scrottieprobably should have backed that out temporarily but I made an adult decision to just fix Imager unit test02:18
@scrottieactually did that in middle of refactoring WebGUI::Session::Http logic.  anyway.  so, Imager now.  yup yup yup.02:18
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* scrottie waves hello to everyone21:32
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beppuhello19:55
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@scrottieyo beppu22:39
beppugotta get this moving again somehow22:59
beppumy programming life currently looks like:  work > metanotes > random > webgui23:01
beppu...and work is taking up a lot of my time.23:01
@scrottiework tends to be pretty greedy23:02
@scrottiewith companies, it quite often happens that no amount of programming is enough.23:02
@scrottieI'm happy to see work on metanotes, though23:03
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beppuit's become a fun side project again.  i put in a little time on the weekends.00:53
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JoeRaguhey07:07
@scrottieheya JoeRagu07:11
@scrottiehow goes?07:11
JoeRaguhey07:14
JoeRagui got a website07:14
JoeRagucan i get opinions on what to change?07:14
JoeRaguwww.joeragu.com07:14
@scrottiewhat to change to accomplish what?  I'm not a good person to talk to about design07:14
@scrottieyup.  nicer than my work.  any suggestion I gave would just muck it up.07:15
JoeRaguwhat parts look liek shit really07:15
JoeRaguwhat do you make yours in?07:15
@scrottiemaybe other people in here have ideas but most people only unidle about once a day07:15
JoeRaguyea07:15
@scrottieheh07:15
@scrottiewell, I did write this:  https://github.com/scrottie/Gorona07:16
@scrottiemost perl webapps these days are plack based (instead of mod_perl or fastcgi)07:17
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@scrottiewow.  that was a convo killer.07:17
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elninohello?08:14
@scrottiehi elnino08:14
elninohi!08:14
elninolong time I've been here.08:15
@scrottieyou just missed this conversation:  http://slowass.net/~scott/ss/tmp_20150130_18536.png08:15
@scrottieI think he meant "webgui" in a more generic sense.08:16
@scrottiehow's life?08:16
elninooh. thats funny.08:16
elninoyep, webgui does come up generically alot.08:17
elninolife is good. 08:17
elninoi'm workin gon a site and I found something strange, and thought I'd ask about it. I didn't see anything about it on www.webgui.org so I figured someone here might.08:17
elninoit seems you're the only here anymore.. do you you have some time to answer a question?08:17
@scrottieI'll answer it if I can08:18
@scrottiebeen pretty quiet in here the last few years but it's always been busier during American business hours08:18
elninoah.  well. I don't work on webgui during american business hours..  just night time. anyway.08:19
elninoI have a bread crumb on my website, and it's got a bad cacheing problem. at ONE point. I KNOW that webgui had a "cache" setting for assets. but that's gone. I do have GURU level 9 and am admin, so I know it's not hidden. 08:20
elninoit's jus tnot there anymore...08:20
@scrottiethere's tons of caching... should be a thing in settings to clear caches, site wide.08:20
elninoyes, but I can't do that every time someone visists.. 08:21
@scrottieheh, no08:21
@scrottiebut if you can demonstrate that the failure is related to caching, that's something to go on08:21
elninothere was a drop menu that allowed me to set the cache time on an asset to 1 sec, 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day, etc.08:21
@scrottiefor finding a more exact bug08:21
@scrottiehrm08:21
@scrottieI think asset instantiation data comes straight from the database, not any cache.  not sure what exactly was being cached in that case.  now think I think about it a bit more.08:22
@scrottiedoes the problem seem to be related toa ssets caching?08:23
elninoI know it was a setting and its' gone from the nagivatin properties. I cleared the cache. logged out. the bread crumb says home. then I went to another page, and it correctly set the breadcrumb path. then I 08:24
elninogo to other pages, and it still only remembers that first page I went to. i'll wait and see how long it clears.08:25
elninoI usually don't care about cache, but navigation assets should not be cached. IMHO08:26
@scrottiehrm.  sorry, no idea off the top of my head.  I'd have to read through its code go guess what might be going wrong.08:27
elninofinally cleared, but I also logged in.08:27
elninoso.. however long that was. =)08:28
elninosee.  snippets have a cache setting.08:28
@scrottiehrm!08:28
elninounder dislay properties.08:28
@scrottiewhat asset is that exactly?08:30
@scrottiewhat class implements it?08:30
@scrottieI'm not sure I have one of those08:31
elninosnippet assets have what I want. Navigation assets used to have it.08:31
elninoI have no access to code.08:31
@scrottiesnippets do breadcrumb?  that seems odd08:31
elninonono.08:31
elninoI was looking to see if anything else had that setting anymore...08:31
@scrottieer, which one is "breadcrumb"?08:31
elninonavigation is the asset I used to create a breadcrumb.08:32
elnino=)08:32
@scrottiewow.  interesting decisions were made in there.08:32
elninoa breadcrumb is usually found at the top of the page, that tells you the path structure of the site the page you are looking at is found.. if that makes anysense.08:32
* scrottie nods08:33
@scrottiemy content manager side exerience with wG is weak.08:33
elninothat's why you have me.  =)08:33
@scrottieheh08:33
elninoi'm a bit rusty on the code now.08:34
@scrottiemy guess would be that a PageLayout its part of is caching it08:35
@scrottiebased on not seeing caching logic in Navigation.pm itself08:35
@scrottiethat's something I always had lots of trouble with08:35
elninoI should probably say I'm using 7.10.2808:36
@scrottieI don't think that code was touched, but I was looking at 808:39
@scrottieif someone started to clean it up, it would look way different =P08:40
elninowhere do I find the code nowadays?08:41
@scrottieI've been working in a branch, but the 7.x code is still at http://github.com/plainblack/webgui08:41
@scrottiehttps://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/master/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm08:41
@scrottiesay around line 260 is what I was griping about08:42
@scrottieunless I missed something, it seems to be conspiciously absent of any caching, and usually when I've struggled with stale data, it was a PageLayout doing it08:43
elninok let me look08:45
elninonope. no cache setting there either.oh. just a sec08:46
elninook. i lied.08:48
elninowell kinda.08:48
@scrottieheh08:48
elninomy navigation was called out in an assetproxy macro from a snippet. and the cache setting of that snippet was 1 hour.08:49
@scrottiehrm08:49
elninoso I set the cache setting for teh snippet to be 1 sec and voila. it works like I want it to.08:49
@scrottielooks like PageLayout.pm has a non-adjustable 60 second cache built in08:49
@scrottiehttps://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/master/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm around line 427-43408:50
@scrottiehey, nice work!08:50
elninoyep, I looked at that.. that would be a bad solution. because then I'd have to set every page layout's cache setting.08:50
@scrottiewell, 1 hour in AssetProxy is way worse than 1 minute, and the PageLayout isn't adjustable anyway08:51
elninoso thanks for being here!  and working this out for me.08:51
@scrottiesure thing.  glad to contribute moral support.08:51
elnino=)08:51
elninohows 8 coming along?08:51
@scrottieI burned too much time taking classes.  I need to do some consulting work for a bit to recharge coffers.08:52
@scrottieI think I have all of the admin UI bugs fixed, and there are a precious few other bug tickets open.08:52
@scrottiebut reworking the admin and modernizing it are yet to be started.08:52
@scrottieand the installer needs work.08:52
elninoare you the only one owrking on it?08:53
@scrottieyeah.  I was hoping to collaborate with danny_mk but timing hasn't lined up yet.08:54
@scrottiecould still happen.08:54
@scrottiethe reworked admin was his project.08:54
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@scrottieheya pvanthony08:55
elninothat's a big task. I wish I could help.08:55
@scrottieI feel bad for getting bogged down.08:56
pvanthonyhi08:56
@scrottieyoo.08:56
pvanthonyFeel good. You are doing good work.08:57
@scrottieI'll bask in the warm glow when it's done, but thanks08:57
pvanthony:-)08:57
elnino I have to get sleep now. Later!09:04
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naptasticscrottie, :)21:30
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