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webguicommits | webgui/master 6fc5d3c Scott Walters: Asset Package functions missing (#12425)... | 23:36 |
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ckotil | someone is rewriting HTTP_HOST in my webgui setup. I think I found a way to patch it , by setting UseCanonicalName On and changing any mention of HTTP_HOST to SERVER_NAME | 23:04 |
@scrottie | they're rewriting HTTP_HOST in your WebGUI setup? in a proxy before the host? or in the apache config on that host? | 23:12 |
@scrottie | that's odd. | 23:12 |
ckotil | yeah! | 23:12 |
ckotil | try it yourself | 23:13 |
ckotil | openssl s_client -connect some.webgui.host:443 | 23:13 |
ckotil | [wait for the connection to initialise] | 23:13 |
ckotil | GET http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.1 | 23:13 |
ckotil | Host: www.yahoo.com | 23:13 |
ckotil | check your logs it will be a successfull 200 to http://www.yahoo.com | 23:13 |
ckotil | and your HTTP_HOST will be www.yahoo.com | 23:13 |
ckotil | granted, those dont have to match. | 23:13 |
ckotil | it sounds similiar to this http://serverfault.com/questions/654566/apache-logs-full-url-rather-than-uri | 23:15 |
ckotil | oh and i think webgui is succeptable , because of the mod_proxy server which cache's content | 23:19 |
ckotil | this can poison the cache | 23:20 |
@scrottie | mind opening a bug for that on webgui.org? hopefully Colin can deal with that and I can continue to not touch Apache. | 23:22 |
@scrottie | it's been a few years. | 23:22 |
ckotil | yeah no problem. im performing a maintenance tonight. to see if my fix will work | 23:23 |
ckotil | which is settin UseCanonicalName On and switching the env variables HTTP_HOST to SERVER_NAME | 23:23 |
ckotil | im just concerned my many vhosts will go haywire. | 23:25 |
@scrottie | for sure. do you have a test/staging setup? | 23:47 |
ckotil | yeah, tested and it seems to be working | 23:48 |
ckotil | however, i only have one vhost htese days :/ | 23:48 |
ckotil | but if it works on this one named vhost, i dont see why i wont work on the others | 23:49 |
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webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/4cbd215d5df2976fa90ec228f02a097e281dbc16 | 00:34 |
webguicommits | webgui/master 4cbd215 Scott Walters: jquery.... | 00:34 |
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@scrottie | yarrr | 01:23 |
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ckotil | scrottie: looking pretty good on the proxy cache poisoning front. had some attempts arrive since I applied the fix, and im not seeing their host in my cache | 16:44 |
ckotil | bug submitted | 16:55 |
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webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/cfb41c03c89ede5dca60da7180303d127333abb1 | 18:34 |
webguicommits | webgui/master cfb41c0 Scott Walters: pull jquery in in the root/import/adminconsole/edit-asset template as well... | 18:34 |
@scrottie | thanks, ckotil | 19:53 |
@scrottie | hopefully security fixes still get priority. | 19:54 |
webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/1164cf93d8045ef6c7c67772f5bf83886ac89834 | 20:01 |
webguicommits | webgui/master 1164cf9 Scott Walters: Hoverhelp should be icon or question-mark (#11820)... | 20:01 |
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webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/1f8059ff91d1ed3302150432a397cd304a394239 | 21:52 |
webguicommits | webgui/master 1f8059f Scott Walters: turning on admin inside the admin... | 21:52 |
webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/deb7402367de00bd040ab66f870fe794cd1e3f79 | 22:25 |
webguicommits | webgui/master deb7402 Scott Walters: Asset Package functions missing (#12425)... | 22:25 |
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webguicommits | webgui/master 4415847 Scott Walters: Group manager buttons are missing (#12426)... | 23:08 |
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ckotil | Anyone happen to know why you can't search for net+ in webgui? | 21:05 |
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jeeshofone | Hello people of #webgui, I have a question on searching. I need to find a term "ISIS", or "IS-IS" (no not the terror group, i.e. ISIS adjacency) however due to the stop word "is" return incorrect results. Thoughts? | 22:57 |
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webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/44158474fc7c...9c8cd0b029d5 | 03:14 |
webguicommits | webgui/master c354d8f Scott Walters: Revert "spectre.pl requires Devel::Size; wasn't tested for in testEnvironment.pl"... | 03:14 |
webguicommits | webgui/master 9c8cd0b Scott Walters: Newer perls emits a host of warnings about experimenal features #21... | 03:14 |
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@scrottie | hi jeeshofone | 18:27 |
jeeshofone | hello | 18:27 |
@scrottie | hi ckotil | 18:27 |
jeeshofone | I think ckotil might be afk for a bit | 18:28 |
@scrottie | hrm. it's odd that stopwords (like "is") apply to the middle of larger words. usually stop words apply to stand alone words, like "is" | 18:28 |
@scrottie | the stopwords are configurable though if memory serves | 18:30 |
@scrottie | hrm. nope. hard-coded in lib/WebGUI/Search.pm | 18:30 |
@scrottie | return 1 if $stopwords =~ /\b$word\b/xms; | 18:31 |
@scrottie | but should work on word boundaries | 18:31 |
@scrottie | and case sensitive too | 18:31 |
jeeshofone | agree, ckotil knows more about it than I. Removing "is" from the stop word list basically makes search unusable, returns anything with "is" in it. | 18:31 |
jeeshofone | we're about to head to friday dev lunch, will you be on later ? | 18:33 |
@scrottie | yeah, I'll be around | 18:33 |
@scrottie | enjoy | 18:33 |
jeeshofone | thanks scrottie | 18:33 |
@scrottie | sure thing | 18:34 |
@scrottie | term ISIS* is stop word: at /data/WebGUI8/lib/WebGUI/Search.pm line 394. | 18:38 |
@scrottie | warn "term $term is stop word: " . $self->_isStopword($term); | 18:41 |
@scrottie | okay, "ISIS*" is what's being fed to _isStopword, and isStopword is returning negative | 18:41 |
@scrottie | but it's not finding it on my dev wG8 either. not sure why. | 18:41 |
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ckotil | hey scrottie , jeeshofone is my newest coworker! | 19:48 |
ckotil | the next thing I wanted to try was turn up mysql logging and see what queries were actually beeing issued when performing the search. i know wg uses the webgui fulltext search and 'matching' 'against' | 19:49 |
@scrottie | congrats on the new gig, jeeshofone | 19:50 |
* scrottie is a bit distracted at the moment with a Raspberry Pi A+ | 19:50 | |
ckotil | i have 2 gen 2 B's myself | 19:51 |
ckotil | they rock | 19:51 |
@scrottie | oh, and now people are trying to lunch | 19:51 |
@scrottie | I was a huge fan of the BifferBoard, but they stopped making them | 19:51 |
@scrottie | Chinese 486 clone | 19:51 |
@scrottie | which let me run basically whichever OS I wanted | 19:52 |
@scrottie | and much smaller | 19:52 |
ckotil | at the moment we have a beagleboard, a bannanapi, and something that starts with an M in the office now for testing small and cheap network test points using perfSonar | 19:52 |
@scrottie | but the A+ is pretty small and there are a couple of BSD's and Slack for Pi now | 19:52 |
@scrottie | heh, nice | 19:52 |
ckotil | Mirabox | 19:53 |
@scrottie | I always wanted a DNARK Shark or old Acorn or something, or one of the EV boards that had an ARM on it, but the first machine I got was an EmbeddedARM 7200, when a friend started working there | 19:53 |
@scrottie | always thought the ARM instruction set/design was awesome | 19:53 |
ckotil | what are you doing with the pi? | 19:54 |
@scrottie | heh | 19:54 |
@scrottie | something I really should be doing with an 8051... trying to make another talking toaster | 19:54 |
ckotil | maybe so unless part of your goal is to do it cheaply | 19:55 |
@scrottie | seems like a waste of an entire Unix machine, and I like making work for myself | 19:56 |
@scrottie | staying with friends who have one of these babies: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-SUNBEAM-TOASTER-RADIANT-CONTROL-MODEL-20-3-AG-Shiny-Chrome-/231444106555?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e324cd3b | 19:56 |
haarg | scrottie: i looked at that issue report re: storage. i honestly don't know exactly what it was about. wish i had written that bug report better. | 19:56 |
@scrottie | it's awesome. you put the toast in it, and it lowers the bread down slowly, then when the toast is radiating jus the right amount of heat, it slowly raises it back up again | 19:57 |
@scrottie | oh, hi haarg! | 19:57 |
ckotil | oh you were'nt kidding! i thought the talking toaster was a joke. :) | 19:57 |
@scrottie | haarg, okay, no problem. if it's serious, eventually people will probably figure it out again. | 19:57 |
@scrottie | the talking toaster is a joke, and if I succeed, this will be my second | 19:57 |
@scrottie | when I stay with people, I like to make their taoster talk, as a sort of thank you gift | 19:57 |
ckotil | people like beer too ;) | 19:58 |
@scrottie | first one has a random library of clips like the "I'm a pretty pony, clippidy clop, clippidy clop" and the banana phone song it plays | 19:58 |
@scrottie | this one will do more Month Python | 19:58 |
@scrottie | heh | 19:58 |
@scrottie | I usually do that too | 19:58 |
haarg | to some extent it seems like it was a complaint about the design more than something causing a real issue. but i could see how versioning or something could cause issues related to what it was talking about. | 19:59 |
@scrottie | haarg, it kind of read like an optimization/cleanup suggestion, yeah. | 20:00 |
@scrottie | I've changed priorities a lot from Doug (also been MIA for a few months there; oops) | 20:00 |
@scrottie | I think Doug did *plenty* of internals cleanups for one version. more should be put off until the next version. time for spit and polish. | 20:01 |
@scrottie | I'll keep the ticket open but demote it from "blocking/required" | 20:01 |
@scrottie | haven't forgotten the search thing either... dumping out stuff to see what it's trying to do... looks like it's restricted to specified classes... need more info... going to get pulled AFK a bit here too | 20:05 |
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jeeshofone | thanks scrottie, i like it here :) | 20:08 |
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ckotil | scrottie: ((match (keywords) against ('"is-is*"' in boolean mode)) | 20:56 |
@scrottie | are you searching for is-is or ISIS? | 21:01 |
@scrottie | +to find a term "ISIS", or "IS-IS" (no not the terror group, i.e. ISIS | 21:02 |
@scrottie | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8b4f9f1dc58864237c1a | 21:03 |
@scrottie | no idea about your setup, but on my setup, I'm seeing two things right now... the query parameters are out of order, and the isPublic flag in assetIndex is set to 0 | 21:16 |
@scrottie | `isPublic` int(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT '1', | 21:19 |
@scrottie | does search work at all on your site? | 21:23 |
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@scrottie | okay, I'm guessing "search parameters in the wrong order" was just inadequacy of my diagnostic output | 21:28 |
@scrottie | and I did manage to get ISIS to work, but IS-IS would likely run in to trouble with stop words, though I don't see where it lowercases or case insensitive compares stuff | 21:29 |
@scrottie | search might only search under the current asset, excluding the current asset | 21:31 |
@scrottie | I put a patch for diagnostic logging in the comments at https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8b4f9f1dc58864237c1a | 21:32 |
@scrottie | answer my questions and give me the output of that if you want me to look more | 21:32 |
@scrottie | not sure why things were marked private sometimes. I approved the version tag and it didn't happen. don't see code to update that, but maybe it's in there somewhere. weakly and tentitively, it seems to be working on my system. please feel free to open a bug ticket on webgui.org. | 21:32 |
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ckotil | the issue lies entirely in mysql, and with fulltext search | 22:36 |
ckotil | but to get around that we can just put "" around is-is, and it works like you'd expect. | 22:36 |
ckotil | bc is-is (not the terror group, the routing protocol) does make it into the assetKeywords table | 22:37 |
ckotil | so wg is doing the right thing, and is-is doesnt hit the stop words | 22:37 |
ckotil | s/assetKeywords/assetIndex/ | 22:42 |
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ckotil | bleh i can't figure out how wg adds these quotes to the query ((match (keywords) against ('+\"is-is\"*' in boolean mode)) | 23:26 |
ckotil | seems to be in SQL::ResultSet->excute right at the sth->execute. so DBI is doing it? | 23:57 |
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ckotil | until next week. have a good weekend. | 00:06 |
@scrottie | didn't trace through that bit (adding quotes) | 00:08 |
@scrottie | a good weekend to you too! | 00:08 |
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ckotil | re: is-is , dbi is definately escaping the quotes, execute() which calls quote(). to prevent sql injection. however due to the nature of mysql full text search boolean operators , is-is without quotes means search for is, a stop word , but DONT search for is. lulz | 16:12 |
@scrottie | hrm. I was sure I saw wG pass parameters to execute in execute() | 17:20 |
@scrottie | so it shouldn't need quote() | 17:20 |
@scrottie | all of the search parameters should be passed as positional parameters, with ?'s in the SQL | 17:21 |
@scrottie | do you have a file and line number where quote() is happening? | 17:21 |
ckotil | i think execute calls quote | 17:24 |
ckotil | i know quote isnt happening in wg for this | 17:25 |
@scrottie | er, sorry, parameters to prepare() | 18:34 |
@scrottie | prepare() specifically does not modify the data in any way, but passes it cleanly | 18:34 |
@scrottie | wai | 18:34 |
@scrottie | wait | 18:34 |
@scrottie | haven't used DBI directly in a while | 18:34 |
@scrottie | prepare() has just the SQL with ? placeholders | 18:35 |
@scrottie | execute() has just the data and does not quote it or modify it in any way | 18:35 |
@scrottie | this is why Perl apps don't garbage 's that appear in data like PHP does | 18:35 |
ckotil | i added some logging of my own. and confirmed that wg is passing the term +"is-is*" to dbi via execute | 18:35 |
@scrottie | but I also don't know how MySQL's full text searching ("match") works | 18:35 |
ckotil | and then when i see the query in mysqld log it's +\"is-is*\" | 18:35 |
@scrottie | bizarre. I have to guess that mysql's logging adds the " | 18:36 |
@scrottie | er adds the \ | 18:36 |
@scrottie | if it were actually searching for (litterally) "is-is it wouldn't match anything. | 18:36 |
ckotil | right | 18:36 |
ckotil | bc -is would be NOT is | 18:37 |
@scrottie | okay. the quotes make it literal (again, not familiar with this MySQL feature), but wG isn't adding the \ to make the quotes literal. | 18:38 |
@scrottie | and I'm pretty sure DBI isn't either. | 18:38 |
ckotil | correct | 18:38 |
ckotil | hrm, mysql then? | 18:43 |
@scrottie | my guess is the \'s were just added to the logging output | 18:44 |
@scrottie | for some dumb reason | 18:44 |
@scrottie | if "s make things literal, I can't imagine MySQL always automatically escapes them, turning them into literal quotes | 18:45 |
ckotil | yeah that wouldnt be right. | 18:46 |
ckotil | surely someone has solved for searching for say 'c++' | 18:50 |
ckotil | or anything hyphenated | 18:51 |
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@scrottie | I'd really have to read the MySQL docs to say | 19:41 |
@scrottie | I was able to search for "IS-IS" and have it show up on my wG8 test rig | 19:41 |
@scrottie | if there's a test case that's not working on wG8, I need to fix it (eventually) | 19:42 |
@scrottie | I had to approve the asset, and I think there's logic (didn't test to verify this) where it only finds things under the current asset when you search | 19:42 |
@scrottie | not site wide, which is both potentially and counter intuitive | 19:42 |
ckotil | ah nice. i should try it on the wg7 demo site | 19:46 |
ckotil | our site has some search scope features too. global, just this branch, or the top of this branch | 19:48 |
ckotil | "is-is" doenst work on wg7 demo | 19:52 |
ckotil | does "net+" work on wg8? that's another case id like to get working on 7 | 19:53 |
@scrottie | I was testing for "IS-IS" when I tested (and started tracing around) | 19:54 |
@scrottie | does that work for you, if you commit the asset? | 19:54 |
ckotil | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1421084993_625/style-underground/search | 19:55 |
ckotil | i added the contenthere http://demo.webgui.org/demo1421084993_625/documentation | 19:55 |
@scrottie | does searching for "IS-IS"? | 19:59 |
ckotil | no results found | 19:59 |
@scrottie | "IS-IS" and "ISIS" were the two originally reported failures | 19:59 |
ckotil | "isis" works | 19:59 |
ckotil | (not on the demo site tho, bc there is no content containing "isis") | 20:00 |
@scrottie | if you can give me a clearly reproducable case on 8 (where you commit the asset and search ini an asset above it and it's one of the supported assets including Snippet), I'll look in to it | 20:00 |
@scrottie | I also ca't trace things on the demo site | 20:00 |
ckotil | k. ill have to get an 8 site :) | 20:01 |
@scrottie | if it works on 8 but Colin | 20:02 |
@scrottie | er, but not on 7 | 20:02 |
ckotil | heh | 20:03 |
@scrottie | or else find something that fails on 7 that fits that critera and give me clear instructiosn for reproducing it and I'll try it on 8 | 20:03 |
ckotil | well, figure that foo-foo would do the same thing | 20:03 |
@scrottie | also, my mother told me today that the new power brick fixes her Mac Mini and it doesn't power off any more, but the T-Mobile MiFi thingie (not her words) makes the computer power off now when it powers off, but her computer isn't powering off any more | 20:04 |
ckotil | i dont think the fact is happens to be a stopword is the problem. it's the - | 20:04 |
@scrottie | "foo-foo" does what same thing? show up or not? | 20:04 |
@scrottie | again, "IS-IS" worked for me. did it work for you? | 20:04 |
ckotil | well i expect it to not show up | 20:04 |
* ckotil tries | 20:04 | |
@scrottie | verify that you approved the asset? | 20:05 |
@scrottie | and you're searching from above it in the tree? | 20:05 |
ckotil | sunova.. foo-foo works. | 20:06 |
@scrottie | can you list what does and doesn't work, and verify that you're commiting the asset, and tell me which asset you're using (that the text is in), and searching from above it in the tree? | 20:07 |
ckotil | following-following does not work,and is also a stop word in mysql and wg7 | 20:08 |
@scrottie | you didn't confirm that list of things I aske dyou to confirm like five times =P | 20:10 |
@scrottie | afk | 20:11 |
ckotil | i committed, and i was at the top level | 20:11 |
@scrottie | thanks | 20:39 |
@scrottie | okay, let me try that one | 20:39 |
@scrottie | ieee | 21:44 |
@scrottie | today hurts | 21:44 |
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@scrottie | haaaaarg | 22:34 |
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@scrottie | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/fulltext-boolean.html | 22:45 |
@scrottie | https://gist.github.com/scrottie/559689336a534460bb21 | 22:53 |
@scrottie | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/fulltext-stopwords.html | 22:54 |
@scrottie | interesting that both wG and MySQL have stopwords | 22:54 |
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ckotil | tho, wg uses them to stop words from getting into assetIndex | 22:54 |
@scrottie | but yeah, I can confirm that wG is sending the data "binary clean" with prepare/execute | 22:54 |
@scrottie | right | 22:54 |
ckotil | right. that's what I've found too | 22:54 |
@scrottie | it looks like there's a way to delete stopwords in MySQL | 22:55 |
ckotil | and assuming mysql query logging is accurate, that leaves DBI | 22:55 |
@scrottie | but my MySQL was too old to test it... the INNODB_FT_DEFAULT_STOPWORD table isn't in the 'information_schema' database | 22:55 |
@scrottie | guess I should upgrade | 22:55 |
ckotil | mines too old too im sure | 22:55 |
@scrottie | if DBI started manging binary data, things would start blowing up very quickly | 22:56 |
@scrottie | I've often in the past stuffed images or other thoroughly binary data into MySQL | 22:56 |
@scrottie | for all of MySQL's problems, and DBI's, it hasn't messed that up | 22:56 |
ckotil | DBI is just escaping double quotes, is all. | 22:56 |
ckotil | it's 'helping'! | 22:56 |
@scrottie | DBI shouldn't escape *anything* if you use prepare/execute | 22:56 |
@scrottie | data is length counted | 22:56 |
@scrottie | you can literally put a jpeg into the database and pull it back out, 100% unchanged | 22:57 |
@scrottie | nulls, quotes, and all | 22:57 |
ckotil | yeah true | 22:57 |
@scrottie | if you send everything to $dbh->execute("update foo set baz = '$baz'") that you need to start quoting stuff and escaping it. | 22:58 |
@scrottie | yeck. | 22:58 |
@scrottie | upgrade mysql and clear out its stop word table? | 22:59 |
@scrottie | on a dev system? | 22:59 |
@scrottie | sorry I was kind of slow. lots of craziness today. | 22:59 |
ckotil | sorry went to a meeting and ended up not getting power. | 23:49 |
ckotil | hrm that's not a bad idea! | 23:49 |
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scrottie | yarr. | 20:22 |
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webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 13 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/9c8cd0b029d5...06daded88fc9 | 18:22 |
webguicommits | webgui/master ad64c70 Scott Walters: smartmartch 'use experimental' goo for you too | 18:22 |
webguicommits | webgui/master cf9e3cb Scott Walters: Finish replacing Image::Magick with Imager #28... | 18:22 |
webguicommits | webgui/master 574b438 Scott Walters: Hey boys and girls, here's a new thing! The output of 'prove'... | 18:22 |
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@scrottie | yarrr. | 19:13 |
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@scrottie | yarr. | 02:15 |
@scrottie | I had a bit of a commit flood for a while there. most of the old webgui.org bugs are closed out. I'm in the middle of the Image::Magick->Imager migration right now (which haarg started and half finished) | 02:16 |
@scrottie | haarg didn't fix unit tests as he went so I wound up in the old chicken and egg situation of trying to change internals without having passing unit tests | 02:17 |
haarg | yerp | 02:17 |
@scrottie | but it was unfinished and I'm grateful for the half-finished work =) no shame =) | 02:17 |
@scrottie | (I pissed off colin the other day... I need to watch my mouth) | 02:17 |
@scrottie | probably should have backed that out temporarily but I made an adult decision to just fix Imager unit test | 02:18 |
@scrottie | actually did that in middle of refactoring WebGUI::Session::Http logic. anyway. so, Imager now. yup yup yup. | 02:18 |
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beppu | hello | 19:55 |
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@scrottie | yo beppu | 22:39 |
beppu | gotta get this moving again somehow | 22:59 |
beppu | my programming life currently looks like: work > metanotes > random > webgui | 23:01 |
beppu | ...and work is taking up a lot of my time. | 23:01 |
@scrottie | work tends to be pretty greedy | 23:02 |
@scrottie | with companies, it quite often happens that no amount of programming is enough. | 23:02 |
@scrottie | I'm happy to see work on metanotes, though | 23:03 |
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beppu | it's become a fun side project again. i put in a little time on the weekends. | 00:53 |
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JoeRagu | hey | 07:07 |
@scrottie | heya JoeRagu | 07:11 |
@scrottie | how goes? | 07:11 |
JoeRagu | hey | 07:14 |
JoeRagu | i got a website | 07:14 |
JoeRagu | can i get opinions on what to change? | 07:14 |
JoeRagu | www.joeragu.com | 07:14 |
@scrottie | what to change to accomplish what? I'm not a good person to talk to about design | 07:14 |
@scrottie | yup. nicer than my work. any suggestion I gave would just muck it up. | 07:15 |
JoeRagu | what parts look liek shit really | 07:15 |
JoeRagu | what do you make yours in? | 07:15 |
@scrottie | maybe other people in here have ideas but most people only unidle about once a day | 07:15 |
JoeRagu | yea | 07:15 |
@scrottie | heh | 07:15 |
@scrottie | well, I did write this: https://github.com/scrottie/Gorona | 07:16 |
@scrottie | most perl webapps these days are plack based (instead of mod_perl or fastcgi) | 07:17 |
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@scrottie | wow. that was a convo killer. | 07:17 |
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elnino | hello? | 08:14 |
@scrottie | hi elnino | 08:14 |
elnino | hi! | 08:14 |
elnino | long time I've been here. | 08:15 |
@scrottie | you just missed this conversation: http://slowass.net/~scott/ss/tmp_20150130_18536.png | 08:15 |
@scrottie | I think he meant "webgui" in a more generic sense. | 08:16 |
@scrottie | how's life? | 08:16 |
elnino | oh. thats funny. | 08:16 |
elnino | yep, webgui does come up generically alot. | 08:17 |
elnino | life is good. | 08:17 |
elnino | i'm workin gon a site and I found something strange, and thought I'd ask about it. I didn't see anything about it on www.webgui.org so I figured someone here might. | 08:17 |
elnino | it seems you're the only here anymore.. do you you have some time to answer a question? | 08:17 |
@scrottie | I'll answer it if I can | 08:18 |
@scrottie | been pretty quiet in here the last few years but it's always been busier during American business hours | 08:18 |
elnino | ah. well. I don't work on webgui during american business hours.. just night time. anyway. | 08:19 |
elnino | I have a bread crumb on my website, and it's got a bad cacheing problem. at ONE point. I KNOW that webgui had a "cache" setting for assets. but that's gone. I do have GURU level 9 and am admin, so I know it's not hidden. | 08:20 |
elnino | it's jus tnot there anymore... | 08:20 |
@scrottie | there's tons of caching... should be a thing in settings to clear caches, site wide. | 08:20 |
elnino | yes, but I can't do that every time someone visists.. | 08:21 |
@scrottie | heh, no | 08:21 |
@scrottie | but if you can demonstrate that the failure is related to caching, that's something to go on | 08:21 |
elnino | there was a drop menu that allowed me to set the cache time on an asset to 1 sec, 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day, etc. | 08:21 |
@scrottie | for finding a more exact bug | 08:21 |
@scrottie | hrm | 08:21 |
@scrottie | I think asset instantiation data comes straight from the database, not any cache. not sure what exactly was being cached in that case. now think I think about it a bit more. | 08:22 |
@scrottie | does the problem seem to be related toa ssets caching? | 08:23 |
elnino | I know it was a setting and its' gone from the nagivatin properties. I cleared the cache. logged out. the bread crumb says home. then I went to another page, and it correctly set the breadcrumb path. then I | 08:24 |
elnino | go to other pages, and it still only remembers that first page I went to. i'll wait and see how long it clears. | 08:25 |
elnino | I usually don't care about cache, but navigation assets should not be cached. IMHO | 08:26 |
@scrottie | hrm. sorry, no idea off the top of my head. I'd have to read through its code go guess what might be going wrong. | 08:27 |
elnino | finally cleared, but I also logged in. | 08:27 |
elnino | so.. however long that was. =) | 08:28 |
elnino | see. snippets have a cache setting. | 08:28 |
@scrottie | hrm! | 08:28 |
elnino | under dislay properties. | 08:28 |
@scrottie | what asset is that exactly? | 08:30 |
@scrottie | what class implements it? | 08:30 |
@scrottie | I'm not sure I have one of those | 08:31 |
elnino | snippet assets have what I want. Navigation assets used to have it. | 08:31 |
elnino | I have no access to code. | 08:31 |
@scrottie | snippets do breadcrumb? that seems odd | 08:31 |
elnino | nono. | 08:31 |
elnino | I was looking to see if anything else had that setting anymore... | 08:31 |
@scrottie | er, which one is "breadcrumb"? | 08:31 |
elnino | navigation is the asset I used to create a breadcrumb. | 08:32 |
elnino | =) | 08:32 |
@scrottie | wow. interesting decisions were made in there. | 08:32 |
elnino | a breadcrumb is usually found at the top of the page, that tells you the path structure of the site the page you are looking at is found.. if that makes anysense. | 08:32 |
* scrottie nods | 08:33 | |
@scrottie | my content manager side exerience with wG is weak. | 08:33 |
elnino | that's why you have me. =) | 08:33 |
@scrottie | heh | 08:33 |
elnino | i'm a bit rusty on the code now. | 08:34 |
@scrottie | my guess would be that a PageLayout its part of is caching it | 08:35 |
@scrottie | based on not seeing caching logic in Navigation.pm itself | 08:35 |
@scrottie | that's something I always had lots of trouble with | 08:35 |
elnino | I should probably say I'm using 7.10.28 | 08:36 |
@scrottie | I don't think that code was touched, but I was looking at 8 | 08:39 |
@scrottie | if someone started to clean it up, it would look way different =P | 08:40 |
elnino | where do I find the code nowadays? | 08:41 |
@scrottie | I've been working in a branch, but the 7.x code is still at http://github.com/plainblack/webgui | 08:41 |
@scrottie | https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/master/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm | 08:41 |
@scrottie | say around line 260 is what I was griping about | 08:42 |
@scrottie | unless I missed something, it seems to be conspiciously absent of any caching, and usually when I've struggled with stale data, it was a PageLayout doing it | 08:43 |
elnino | k let me look | 08:45 |
elnino | nope. no cache setting there either.oh. just a sec | 08:46 |
elnino | ok. i lied. | 08:48 |
elnino | well kinda. | 08:48 |
@scrottie | heh | 08:48 |
elnino | my navigation was called out in an assetproxy macro from a snippet. and the cache setting of that snippet was 1 hour. | 08:49 |
@scrottie | hrm | 08:49 |
elnino | so I set the cache setting for teh snippet to be 1 sec and voila. it works like I want it to. | 08:49 |
@scrottie | looks like PageLayout.pm has a non-adjustable 60 second cache built in | 08:49 |
@scrottie | https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/master/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm around line 427-434 | 08:50 |
@scrottie | hey, nice work! | 08:50 |
elnino | yep, I looked at that.. that would be a bad solution. because then I'd have to set every page layout's cache setting. | 08:50 |
@scrottie | well, 1 hour in AssetProxy is way worse than 1 minute, and the PageLayout isn't adjustable anyway | 08:51 |
elnino | so thanks for being here! and working this out for me. | 08:51 |
@scrottie | sure thing. glad to contribute moral support. | 08:51 |
elnino | =) | 08:51 |
elnino | hows 8 coming along? | 08:51 |
@scrottie | I burned too much time taking classes. I need to do some consulting work for a bit to recharge coffers. | 08:52 |
@scrottie | I think I have all of the admin UI bugs fixed, and there are a precious few other bug tickets open. | 08:52 |
@scrottie | but reworking the admin and modernizing it are yet to be started. | 08:52 |
@scrottie | and the installer needs work. | 08:52 |
elnino | are you the only one owrking on it? | 08:53 |
@scrottie | yeah. I was hoping to collaborate with danny_mk but timing hasn't lined up yet. | 08:54 |
@scrottie | could still happen. | 08:54 |
@scrottie | the reworked admin was his project. | 08:54 |
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@scrottie | heya pvanthony | 08:55 |
elnino | that's a big task. I wish I could help. | 08:55 |
@scrottie | I feel bad for getting bogged down. | 08:56 |
pvanthony | hi | 08:56 |
@scrottie | yoo. | 08:56 |
pvanthony | Feel good. You are doing good work. | 08:57 |
@scrottie | I'll bask in the warm glow when it's done, but thanks | 08:57 |
pvanthony | :-) | 08:57 |
elnino | I have to get sleep now. Later! | 09:04 |
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naptastic | scrottie, :) | 21:30 |
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