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elnino | I have two sites on a single installation of webgui. Any idea why captcha would appear in one and not the other? I thought maybe it was my site design, but "verify your humanity" isn't seen in the underlying html... | 04:03 |
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elnino | oh. the versions are stuck.. | 04:05 |
elnino | hmm. well, that's not true really. THose are from 9/22 | 04:11 |
elnino | I made the changes today and those version tags went thru correctly as far as I can tell. | 04:11 |
elnino | It's funny. I don't see the captcha, but when I submit the form, it says that it was entered incorrectly. even though there is no html code for the captcha field on the page. | 04:24 |
elnino | I even tried makeing a package of the form that has the captcha and tried importing it into my other site, and it wouldn't import. This site must be hosted. but I'm not getting any error messages. Im watching webgui.log with tail -f | 04:55 |
elnino | s/hosted/hosed | 05:03 |
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elnino | hi I have two sites ona single installation of webgui. Site A has captcha, site B doesn't not. But Site B has it configured. I thought maybe there was a flaw in the deisgn, but there is nothing in the html showing that it's there. | 05:37 |
elnino | when I submit the form, it complains that I didn't enter the right word for captcha. | 05:38 |
elnino | I even tried making a package from site A and importing it to site b, and I couldn't even import the package.. and there were no errors in webgui.log . | 05:38 |
elnino | Help? Any ideas what to look at? | 05:38 |
elnino | I have 7.5.24 | 05:39 |
elnino | both sites areon the same ip address. does that have anything to do with it? | 05:40 |
elnino | I see that captcha uses scratch variables. | 05:41 |
@Haarg | captcha on what? | 05:41 |
elnino | a data form asset | 05:41 |
elnino | I'm even makeing sure that i'm a visitor. Cause I know it doesn't display if I'm a registered user. | 05:44 |
elnino | I'm sure it's somethign dumb, but it's got me stumped. | 05:44 |
elnino | btw, what is the default time that queued emails are sent? | 05:51 |
elnino | never mind, found it in scheduler. | 05:51 |
@Haarg | have you checked the template? | 05:54 |
@Haarg | the captcha is a separate template variable | 05:54 |
elnino | well. both are using the smae template by name, but I didn't look at the actuall code. Good idea. Letme look. | 05:55 |
elnino | you got it! Thanks! I'll have to remember that! | 05:59 |
elnino | Thanks Haarg - I'm now going to sleep well. | 06:01 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8232 /translations/German/German/Asset_SQLReport.pm: Update from translation server | 03:16 |
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knowmad | Is anyone tuned in today? | 22:16 |
knowmad | That's pretty much what i figured for a Sunday... | 22:17 |
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@Haarg | i'm around for a little | 22:36 |
knowmad | hey haarg, you still around? | 22:52 |
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elnino | hey! recently discovered the style wizard thingy... Is there a way to setup some different layouts for the wizard? - didi I miss that chapter in th edeveloper's book? | 07:50 |
elnino | The other question I have is, can I setup multiple roots, each being a different subdomain? - is that a redirect in the modproxy? | 07:55 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Anyone else notice that the RFE 'submitted by' sort doesn't really work? | 17:25 |
BartJo1 | perlmonkey2: seems you're right | 17:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | probably sorting on id or something. | 17:28 |
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BartJo1 | prolly | 17:33 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:34 |
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BartJo1 | hi | 17:34 |
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@perlmonkey2 | If you remove an activity from a site config file, that activity will no longer be ran when the workflow is, right? And when the site is upgraded, that activity won't be magically readded? | 17:58 |
BartJo1 | no, I think not | 17:58 |
BartJo1 | the new config isn't copied over the old one | 17:59 |
BartJo1 | but if it's called you will get errors in your llog I think | 17:59 |
BartJo1 | if it's included in the hourly | 18:00 |
BartJo1 | or something like that | 18:00 |
BartJo1 | can't you remove it from the workflow? | 18:00 |
BartJo1 | then, you don't have to disable it | 18:01 |
BartJo1 | sounds like a kill -9 where a kill works too | 18:01 |
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@rizen | perlmonkey2: the listing in the config is only for the workflow activities available to be added to workflows | 18:54 |
@rizen | removing it from the config will NOT stop it from being run | 18:54 |
@rizen | you actually have to remove it from any workflows it's part of to do that | 18:54 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: okay, that makes a lot more sense. | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | knowmad has a good headshot | 18:57 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8233 /branch/frank: WebGUI branch for frank to develop WebGUI features to be added to WebGUI once they've been tested | 18:59 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8234 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Ticket.pm Wobject/HelpDesk.pm): HelpDesk assets and Tickets can now be properly purged from WebGUI | 18:59 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8235 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm: Fixed a grammar error in an error messaage | 18:59 |
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@rizen | perlDreamer: i know you asked for 1000 pictures. here's a start: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=66383&id=565308834&ref=share | 19:39 |
@rizen | somebody else's pics | 19:39 |
@rizen | i'll post mine this week sometime | 19:39 |
SDuensin | Hey rizen | 19:39 |
@rizen | hey sd | 19:40 |
SDuensin | WebGUI needs to do SMTP/IMAP. I hate setting up mail servers. | 19:41 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8236 /branch/frank/lib/WebGUI/ (15 files in 6 dirs): initial commit | 19:41 |
@rizen | you mean it needs to be an SMTP server? | 19:41 |
@rizen | rather than use an SMTP server? | 19:42 |
SDuensin | I mean it needs to be everything I need in one nice box. | 19:42 |
SDuensin | Yep. Part of my "Project Lazy". | 19:42 |
SDuensin | Seriously. At this point, I think it'd be easier to write my own mail server than learn to configure one. :-) | 19:42 |
@rizen | no it wouldn't SD | 19:43 |
@rizen | i guarantee you tha | 19:43 |
@rizen | that | 19:44 |
@rizen | if you don't want to configure one, you should just host with PB | 19:44 |
SDuensin | Says you. Written one before. Wasn't that hard. | 19:44 |
@rizen | we provide all that for you | 19:44 |
SDuensin | PB won't do all the psycho stuff I want to do. | 19:44 |
@rizen | writing one that handles everything that it needs to handle, isn't easy | 19:44 |
SDuensin | Ah, but see, that's the catch! It only needs to handle what *I* want. :-) | 19:44 |
@rizen | sure just doing straight routing isn't that hard, but there are about 1000 RFC's you need to implement to be a real SMTP server | 19:44 |
SDuensin | Yea, yea, yea. Take all the fun out of it. | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, that page requires a facebook login | 19:49 |
@rizen | i viewed it without logging in | 19:49 |
@rizen | try clicking this link first: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=565308834&k=X41T356XV36M5D1GRKZTRU | 19:50 |
@rizen | maybe that gives you a session or something | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's better. | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | What's the small fuzzy that Gilligan has? | 19:51 |
@rizen | it's my rat | 19:52 |
@rizen | a fake rat | 19:52 |
@rizen | but it's part of the halloween decor at casa smith | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | nice costume, dude | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | $dayJob is exacting revenge for all that idle time | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | I haven't had time to do any wG work for weeks | 19:54 |
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@rizen | that sucks PD | 20:10 |
@rizen | SDuensin: your RFE is unjustified and without merit | 20:11 |
@rizen | and your mommy dresses you funny | 20:11 |
SDuensin | It's justified and you dress yourself funny. | 20:12 |
SDuensin | I didn't see a "Request for fixing annoying things" so I filed an RFE. | 20:12 |
@rizen | It's only annoying because you are trying to deprive advertisers of their cash | 20:13 |
@rizen | and if you are | 20:13 |
@rizen | then you shouldn't use the WebGUI advertising feature either. =) | 20:13 |
SDuensin | I'm the advertiser. Maybe I'm trying to prevent invalid impressions? Hmmmm? :-P | 20:14 |
@rizen | If you're an advertiser why are you using an ad blocker? | 20:14 |
@rizen | do you live in bizarro world? | 20:14 |
SDuensin | What do you think? :-D | 20:15 |
@rizen | I'm going to reject your RFE based upon this conversation. | 20:15 |
SDuensin | hehehe | 20:15 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixes to DataTable form control | 20:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: removed stupid configuration and added some necessary ones | 20:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8240 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/DataTable.pm: perltidy | 20:25 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8241 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: not allowed to add calendar events if in can edit group but not can add event group | 20:25 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8242 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataTable.pm: perltidy | 20:25 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8243 /WebGUI/ (sbin/installClass.pl lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Installable.pm): added Installable aspect and a script to install classes | 20:25 |
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@perlmonkey2 | What about a rss asset that had plugins for all appropriate assets to grab rss entries from. This asset would contain feeds and feeds would be groups of asset URLS from which to get the RSS data form. You would get the rss feed by going to the rssAsset&feed=TheCoolFeed | 22:12 |
apeiron | perlmonkey2, So it'd basically be a planet implementation for one site? | 22:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | apeiron: yes. This way, no matter how many feeds or assets you are grabbing from, you only have one asset instance added. | 22:14 |
apeiron | perlmonkey2, Sounds interesting. Now the important question: why? | 22:15 |
@rizen | why ask why, drink bud dry | 22:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | apeiron: an easy way to do rss feeds | 22:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | most of the rss logic can be stored in a single asset, so no duplication of the rss generation or feed auth. | 22:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | else each asset would have to know rss. | 22:17 |
@preaction | why not an Aspect? | 22:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | let me read up on Aspects :D | 22:17 |
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topsub | i am in WebGUI 7.4.8 and how can i send an message to anotehr user? when i go to inbox i don't have the option to send an inbox message. | 22:34 |
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Bernd_ | Are Aspects in WebGUI related to the Aspect module on CPAN? | 22:40 |
Bernd_ | Or is there another good starting point? | 22:44 |
Bernd_ | I mean, for reading. | 22:44 |
@preaction | Class::C3 and WebGUI::AssetAspect | 22:46 |
Bernd_ | Thanks! | 22:47 |
@preaction | the WebGUI::AssetAspect::Installable is a simple one, if you want an example | 22:48 |
Bernd_ | I am going to have a look at it! | 22:49 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8246 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: allow updates via form post | 23:51 |
@rizen | Don't listen to preaction, WebGUI::AssetAspect::Comments is the only aspect worth looking at | 23:53 |
@rizen | preaction, we're going to have to have an Aspect-off | 23:53 |
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@preaction | Comments is bigger, more awesome, and more complex, and so harder to see what's happening | 23:59 |
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@preaction | on the other hand, Comments has an implementing class (Wiki) | 23:59 |
@preaction | hm... | 23:59 |
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@rizen | Actually, I was thinking more of a contest to see who can build the cooler aspect | 00:02 |
@rizen | though, i've already come up with about 100 features to add to the comment aspect | 00:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: can you explain the AssetAspect::Comments::get comments call? $self->next::method('comments') Is the next::method sending the call back to the object using the aspect? | 00:08 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, check the Class::C3 docs for what next::method does | 00:09 |
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slickware | hey, Jamie, you still in here? | 00:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: so next would send the call to the next inherited class, Asset. But Asset doesn't have a 'comments' method. | 00:14 |
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@preaction | perlmonkey2, it detects that and doesn't cause an error | 00:15 |
@preaction | at least, i hope | 00:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | reading Class::C3 I think it might | 00:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | If next::method cannot find a next method to re-dispatch the call to, it will throw an exception. | 00:15 |
@preaction | dunno, JT wrote that aspect | 00:16 |
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@rizen | perlmonkey2: can you point me to the line number or method name that you're talking about? | 00:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: yeah, I'm not getting something because that method is called with that param. | 00:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: sub get in AssetApect::Comments | 00:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | line 217 | 00:17 |
@rizen | yeah, it's not calling a method called "comments" | 00:18 |
@rizen | it's passing the string "comments" to get() | 00:18 |
@rizen | in SUPER:: | 00:18 |
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@rizen | it's the same as saying | 00:18 |
@rizen | $self->SUPER::get('comments') | 00:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | so $self->next::method passes the params to the super of whatever method it is in? | 00:18 |
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@perlmonkey2 | that is craaaazy | 00:18 |
@rizen | next::method is very similar to SUPER except that instead of calling vertically | 00:19 |
@rizen | it calls horizontally and then vertically | 00:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, now the example code in perldoc makes sense | 00:19 |
@rizen | aspects (in WebGUI) are multiple-inheritance | 00:20 |
@rizen | and therefore can be a bit confusing | 00:20 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, I think I understand enough to really screw something up now :D | 00:20 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: but I'm still not entirely sure rss feeds should be aspects tacked onto existing classes. Single class with plugins to existing assets, or change existing assets to use an aspect? | 00:22 |
@rizen | once we get a nice stable of asset aspects built, we should be able to throw together absolutely amazing assets in very little time...just because of the power aspects give us | 00:22 |
@preaction | the RSS Aspect is already planned | 00:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: heh, that has been the promise of OOP since its inception. I'm still waiting for it. | 00:23 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: did you read my dev mailing list post about the death of the collaboration system? | 00:23 |
@rizen | webgui asset aspects will bring it about | 00:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | yes | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | Death to the CS! | 00:24 |
@rizen | let's say we wanted to keep the collaboration system, but we just wanted to "aspectize" it | 00:24 |
@rizen | WebGUI::Asset::Post would be entirely replaced by the Comments aspect | 00:25 |
@perlmonkey2 | I can see them doing that. And it does seem much sexier to instead of having big heavy Blog asset, having a small light Blog asset that aspects almost all of its functionality. | 00:25 |
@rizen | The comments aspect would just be added to Thread | 00:25 |
@rizen | CS would get the RSS aspect | 00:25 |
@rizen | both CS and Thread would get the Subscribable aspect | 00:25 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh man, when you talk like that I get all excited. | 00:25 |
@rizen | thusly replacing about 400 lines of code in each | 00:25 |
@perlmonkey2 | seems like the most important part (of many important parts) is all assets start behaving much more alike. | 00:26 |
@rizen | CS and Thread would both get ReplyViaEmail aspect, allowing emails to come in and post to them | 00:26 |
@perlmonkey2 | similiar functionality will *feel* the same, because it is the sam.e | 00:26 |
@rizen | that's a big part of it | 00:27 |
@rizen | the thing is that whole objects often aren't as reusable as their parts | 00:27 |
@rizen | and that's where aspects come into play | 00:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | wow....yeah, I can see how cool this is going to be. | 00:28 |
@rizen | it's going to take some time, but once we have the stable of aspects...webgui assets can and will become a lot more uniform, tested and therefore stable, and easier to build | 00:29 |
@rizen | we owe most of this to preaction, who lit a fire under my ass to finally start pushing aspects (cuz he's been pushing the concept for about a year now) | 00:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | should make it easier to move more logic to the client side. Adding ajax hooks will be a lot simpler. | 00:31 |
@rizen | will it? | 00:31 |
@rizen | i don' t know about that | 00:31 |
@rizen | certainly some reusable ajax hooks | 00:31 |
@rizen | but in general, i think most ajax stuff will be just as it is now | 00:31 |
@rizen | WebGUI::Crud is in the same vein though | 00:33 |
@rizen | it's not an aspect | 00:33 |
@rizen | but it makes it much easier to build collateral for assets | 00:33 |
@rizen | and because all collateral will be from a standard base (WebGUI::Crud), all collateral will be more uniform, tested and therefore stable | 00:34 |
@rizen | i've already built 6 objects on WebGUI::Crud, and it has saved me hours of time because i fix a problem in one place and it fixes it in all 6 objects | 00:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | nice | 00:34 |
@rizen | not to mention the test suite keeps me informed of how the changes I make to crud impact things | 00:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | wow crud has really changed since I last looked at it. It is huge | 00:36 |
@rizen | has it? | 00:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | yes, it was just a few methods last I looked at it. Now its 942 lines of code with some very interesting helpers | 00:37 |
@perlmonkey2 | updateTable? Come on, that is just slick. | 00:38 |
@rizen | the only thing i don't like about the WebGUI::Crud implementation so far is the join clause in the getAll methods | 00:39 |
@rizen | i think i'm going to remove that | 00:39 |
@rizen | updateTable wasn't there when you last looked at it? man i thought that was there in the very first implementation | 00:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | maybe I missed it. | 00:40 |
@perlmonkey2 | don't know how as it is kind of the heart of the thing | 00:41 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: you dont' like the joins? Why not? | 00:45 |
@rizen | i don't like that you can throw raw SQL into the joins | 00:46 |
@rizen | it allows for sloppiness | 00:46 |
@rizen | mainly in field quoting | 00:46 |
@rizen | i like joinUsing | 00:46 |
@rizen | just not join | 00:46 |
@rizen | i have a similar problem with the where clause | 00:47 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, change the syntax of join then? | 00:47 |
@rizen | i really like where "fieldname = ?", $value | 00:47 |
@rizen | like i have it now | 00:47 |
@rizen | but i wish i had a way to auto-quote the field name | 00:47 |
@rizen | i don't mind having raw SQL in a class like this | 00:48 |
@rizen | i just want to be able to make it as automatic and as safe as possible | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | $session->db->quoteIdentifier | 00:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | I keep running in circles in my head trying to think how abstract that and DBIx::Class et al is what comes to mind. | 00:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | which is way too slow | 00:49 |
@rizen | perlDreamer i know about that and use it | 00:49 |
@rizen | but you can't do | 00:49 |
@rizen | quoteIdenetifier("fieldname = ?" | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | s/(\S+)(\s*=)/$db->quoteIdentifier($1).$2/eg; | 00:50 |
@perlmonkey2 | hahha | 00:50 |
@rizen | nope | 00:50 |
@rizen | because they can do | 00:50 |
@preaction | fieldname= | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | I _did_ say \s* in there | 00:51 |
@rizen | fieldname >= this or fieldname < that or fieldname in ('this', 'foo', 'bar') | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | the '> | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | character won't match | 00:51 |
@preaction | (\S+)\b(\s*(?:=|>|<|...)) | 00:51 |
@preaction | i hate it | 00:52 |
@preaction | SQL::Abstract! | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, \b is the boundary between \S and \s | 00:52 |
@preaction | ah | 00:52 |
@preaction | don't need that then | 00:52 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: so why won't what you have work for sanitizing? | 00:53 |
@preaction | or Parse::BooleanQuery maybe? | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, a more general purpose solution will always be better than my regexp-of-the-day | 00:53 |
@rizen | folks you can stop, the answer IS NOT parsing | 00:54 |
@perlmonkey2 | well, there are only so many possible cases. a short parse tree could be created. | 00:54 |
@rizen | we either leave it raw SQL or we make a usable interface to pass in a usable datastructure | 00:54 |
@rizen | my goal IS NOT to rebuild DBIx::Class | 00:54 |
@rizen | RoseDB | 00:54 |
@rizen | or any of the other bs that's out there on CPAN that's both hard to use and slow | 00:55 |
@rizen | for now we'll leave it as is, and if we figure out a better way to do it, we'll deprecate the current mechanism and remove it in WebGUI 8 | 00:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | the join syntax can be narrowed down to a single case | 00:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | just allow left joins | 00:57 |
@rizen | are you saying just allow left joins with single equality? | 00:57 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, but there are a ton of conditionals | 00:57 |
@rizen | cuz i already only allow left joins | 00:57 |
@rizen | it's the equality issue that is a problem | 00:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, just realized that | 00:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | and there are quite a few possible conditionals. | 00:58 |
@rizen | i could very easily say tablename, fieldInTable, fieldInCrud | 00:58 |
@rizen | and we have a nice usable datastructure | 00:58 |
@rizen | that would build | 00:58 |
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@rizen | left join tablename on tablename.fieldIntable = crudtable.fieldInCrud | 00:59 |
@rizen | i'm just not sure if that's good enough for our uses | 00:59 |
@rizen | preaction; for the record, these are the same issues i have with the joinClass and other related options in getLineage | 01:04 |
@rizen | there's a lot of sanity problems | 01:04 |
@rizen | quoting, table prefixing, etc | 01:04 |
@rizen | and in getLineage it's even worse because you also have to account for versioning | 01:04 |
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lelelele | is it difficult to use this CMS if I don't know Perl? I know only PHP. | 02:14 |
SDuensin | Not at all. | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | To _use_ WebGUI, you don't really have to know perl at all | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | Just the language for the templates | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | and macros | 02:19 |
SDuensin | Yep. Since the WRE hit the scene, it's become MUCH easier! | 02:20 |
patspam | rizen: I started using crud for something yesterday :) | 02:25 |
@rizen | oh yeah? and how did you find it to work? | 02:26 |
patspam | so far so good! | 02:26 |
SDuensin | Crud? Like database CRUD? | 02:26 |
@rizen | i've been using it for a couple weeks now on a special pb project | 02:26 |
@rizen | have 6 objects created so far | 02:26 |
* SDuensin is trying to learn Thingy. | 02:26 | |
@rizen | thingy should eventually use crud | 02:27 |
SDuensin | WTF is crud? | 02:27 |
@rizen | WebGUI::Crud | 02:27 |
@rizen | is a new thing in 7.6 | 02:27 |
patspam | cool. the only thing I've noticed so far that felt like it was missing was the ability to flag fields as required in definition() | 02:27 |
@rizen | that allows you to build database backed WebGUI objects | 02:27 |
SDuensin | Can you link and stuff like Thingy? | 02:28 |
@rizen | SD: it's a programmer's tool, not a UI tool | 02:28 |
* SDuensin is using 7.5.x, but could be convinced to go bleeding edge. :-) | 02:28 | |
SDuensin | Doh. | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, think more of a generic object base class that handles db interactions | 02:28 |
* SDuensin is a programmer, but he's kinda busy and can't learn WebGUI's API just yet. | 02:28 | |
+perlDreamer | rizen, I need to borrow $600,000 US. | 02:28 |
@rizen | Thingy's backend should eventually use WebGUI::Crud | 02:28 |
SDuensin | Cool. | 02:28 |
SDuensin | Sounds very spiffy. | 02:28 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: uh.... | 02:29 |
@rizen | patspam: that's not a bad idea | 02:29 |
patspam | rizen: love how much boiler-plate code i didn't have to write. crud++ | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, okay, how about just $500,000 and I'll give you free rides? | 02:32 |
@rizen | buying a helicopter pd? | 02:32 |
@rizen | or a train? | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | No, a used steam engine | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 02:32 |
SDuensin | Uh? | 02:32 |
@rizen | how about this, i'll lend you $6, then you just need 100,000 other people to do the same thing. =) | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | hm. Just let me make a quick commit to the PayDriver code | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | that should fix it | 02:33 |
@rizen | patspam: yeah, it's saving me an absolute ton of code too...but more importantly, as i've been building these objects it's giving me ideas for additional methods in WebGUI::Crud | 02:34 |
@rizen | like the $self->updateFromFormPost() method I added today | 02:34 |
SDuensin | Crap. I lost the Things I built. Wonder what I did? | 02:35 |
@rizen | SD: that big button that says "DELETE" don't hit that next time | 02:37 |
SDuensin | I think I somehow had a version tag with no Things in the Thingy and committed that on top the one I was working on. | 02:37 |
SDuensin | I think. | 02:37 |
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SDuensin | Interesting. My missing Things are in the Default Thing dropdown in my empty Thingy. | 02:42 |
BartJol | so missing is actually misplaced? | 02:43 |
SDuensin | Seems that way. Connecting to MySQL now to poke around. | 02:43 |
BartJol | how does Thingy show it's empty? | 02:44 |
SDuensin | Well, before when I went to the page with the Thingy on it, it listed my Things. Now I just have "Add Thing". | 02:45 |
lelelele | how does it supports GUI? | 02:47 |
lelelele | I mean in website or has windows app for it? | 02:47 |
SDuensin | Interesting. I have two Thingy entries in the database that are the same except for the revision date. That's probably not right. | 02:48 |
@rizen | lelelele: it's a web app. go to http://demo.webgui.org | 02:48 |
@rizen | create a demo | 02:48 |
@rizen | then click on the getting started page | 02:48 |
BartJol | mmm, my server doesn't produce a page, nrestarting services | 02:48 |
BartJol | if it has done that, I'll try to reproduce SDuensin, I', running 7.6.1 | 02:49 |
SDuensin | Would a dump of my Thingy related tables help? | 02:50 |
BartJol | restarting takes awfully long.... | 02:50 |
BartJol | mmm, mysql can't connect | 02:52 |
BartJol | SDuensin: I don't know, it doesn't harm | 02:52 |
BartJol | but now I've got mu own problems | 02:53 |
BartJol | ... | 02:53 |
SDuensin | :-( | 02:54 |
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SDuensin | Well, BartJol, if you want the dump, lemme know how you want it sent. It's not super-urgent or anything. | 02:56 |
BartJol | ok | 02:57 |
* SDuensin is just hoping to use Thingy to help rule the world. | 02:57 | |
BartJol | mysql.sock is missing | 02:57 |
BartJol | so I'll try to start or restart | 02:57 |
SDuensin | Be sure an /etc/mysql/my.cnf didn't slip in. Dang updates. | 02:58 |
BartJol | I seem to have a clean server | 02:59 |
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BartJol | so no other mysql | 02:59 |
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lelelele | I dont see any GUI. | 03:06 |
lelelele | Only a movie. | 03:06 |
lelelele | Simple menubar in that movie. Simple CMS, dunno where GUI is here? | 03:06 |
@rizen | lelelele: that movie is telling you how to see a gooey | 03:06 |
@rizen | GUI | 03:06 |
lelelele | I thought it will be javascript. | 03:07 |
@rizen | in your demo | 03:07 |
@rizen | log in | 03:07 |
lelelele | just to make feel of GUI in browser. | 03:07 |
@rizen | using admin 123qwe | 03:07 |
lelelele | 0k | 03:07 |
@rizen | then click the "turn admin on" link | 03:07 |
@rizen | the movie tells you to do exactly that | 03:07 |
@rizen | and yes, the GUI is javascript | 03:07 |
lelelele | ok | 03:07 |
lelelele | I am not so smart | 03:07 |
lelelele | to see the movie for getting the pass. | 03:07 |
lelelele | Would be easier to write on 5em those config infos | 03:08 |
lelelele | :) | 03:08 |
lelelele | for me as I dont like flash :) | 03:08 |
@rizen | not possible | 03:08 |
@rizen | you set the username and password wehn you create your demo | 03:08 |
@rizen | if you leave it to the default it is then admin 123qwe | 03:08 |
lelelele | so how you know my ones? | 03:08 |
lelelele | 0k | 03:08 |
@rizen | i'm guessing you left the default | 03:08 |
@rizen | but i can't predict that everyone will do that | 03:09 |
lelelele | duuno | 03:09 |
lelelele | I am logged in . | 03:09 |
@rizen | click the "turn admin on" link | 03:09 |
lelelele | huh? | 03:10 |
@rizen | you said you are logged in | 03:10 |
@rizen | are you? | 03:10 |
lelelele | actually I am not sorry. | 03:10 |
lelelele | admin 123qwe ? | 03:10 |
@rizen | if you left the defaults | 03:11 |
@rizen | then yes that's the username and password | 03:11 |
lelelele | Cause there are no info about that. Dunno how people know that it is default. | 03:11 |
BartJol | it is quite findasble on the site | 03:11 |
@rizen | ok lelelele let's start from scratch because i don't think you were paying attention when you created your demo | 03:11 |
lelelele | what you mean about default? Design part? No, I uploaded photo for logo, and changed color. | 03:11 |
@rizen | i'll give you step by step directions | 03:11 |
lelelele | 0k | 03:11 |
@rizen | don't derivate even a little bit | 03:11 |
lelelele | 0k | 03:11 |
@rizen | do exactly what i say | 03:11 |
lelelele | 0k | 03:11 |
@rizen | 1) go to http://demo.webgui.org | 03:12 |
@rizen | 2) click "Create my personal webgui demo" | 03:12 |
lelelele | rizen : I am logged in | 03:12 |
lelelele | used your pass | 03:12 |
lelelele | I turned admin 0n. | 03:12 |
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BartJol | while restarting mysql, a new socket should be created, right? | 03:13 |
@rizen | yes bartjol | 03:14 |
BartJol | mmm, something is awfully wrong then | 03:14 |
@rizen | is there anything in your /data/wre/var/mysqldata/servernamegoeshere.err file? | 03:15 |
@rizen | it usually tells you what's wrong | 03:15 |
lelelele | rizen : works fine | 03:15 |
lelelele | did you do this CMS? | 03:15 |
BartJol | 081104 2:15:26 [Warning] option 'max_join_size': unsigned value 18446744073709551615 adjusted to 4294967295 | 03:15 |
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@rizen | lelelele: yes, i founded it, but many people have worked on it since then | 03:16 |
@rizen | BartJol: warnings don't count usually | 03:16 |
@rizen | BartJol: look for serious stuff | 03:16 |
SDuensin | BartJol - If you check the cnf, it's set to 4294967295. Go figure. | 03:16 |
lelelele | rizen: whas is the date of foundation, I want to count birthdays of WebGUI since that date. | 03:16 |
lelelele | maybe you remember exact day? | 03:16 |
@rizen | webgui is 7 years old | 03:17 |
lelelele | wow | 03:17 |
@rizen | i started development on it in June 2001 | 03:17 |
lelelele | I thought it was new. | 03:17 |
@rizen | and it's first release to the public is August 16, 2001 | 03:17 |
lelelele | nice. So why such small community? | 03:17 |
@rizen | it's not a small community | 03:17 |
BartJol | ah, can't create a PID file | 03:17 |
lelelele | 26 | 03:17 |
lelelele | ... | 03:17 |
SDuensin | It's "small" because it doesn't run on $5 web hosts. | 03:17 |
@rizen | there are more than 10,000 sites running webgui | 03:17 |
lelelele | I mean node community. | 03:17 |
BartJol | lelelele: and there's even a dutch guy online | 03:18 |
BartJol | on this time | 03:18 |
lelelele | wow | 03:18 |
lelelele | I am LT guy | 03:18 |
SDuensin | LT? | 03:18 |
lelelele | so OK what I need to test this . | 03:18 |
lelelele | Lithuania. yes. | 03:18 |
lelelele | I have Apache. | 03:18 |
@rizen | WebGUI is primarily used by businesses, not home users | 03:18 |
lelelele | what a difference it is CMS. | 03:18 |
lelelele | for me all CMS is just CMS. | 03:19 |
lelelele | all plenty of not flexibility. | 03:19 |
SDuensin | It's the BEST CMS EVER! | 03:19 |
lelelele | so I am testing them one after another. | 03:19 |
lelelele | last time I tested Drupal. | 03:19 |
* SDuensin learned the hard way. He strayed. Never again! | 03:19 | |
lelelele | Very annoying one... | 03:19 |
lelelele | The hard thing with CMS is that they are not flexible. I found this one in matrix | 03:20 |
BartJol | lelelele: darn, I'be only been to Estonia | 03:20 |
SDuensin | I ran Joomla and Drupal. Bad idea. | 03:20 |
lelelele | there were many Yes'es written on it. And that word "GUI" though it is not GUI. | 03:20 |
lelelele | GUI is win app. | 03:20 |
lelelele | javascript can be GUI but many job to do it. | 03:21 |
SDuensin | Doesn't have to be. | 03:21 |
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lelelele | better java. ;) | 03:21 |
BartJol | well, deleting an old webgui and wre tar helped | 03:21 |
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BartJol | Koen just assigned me not enough disc space... | 03:21 |
SDuensin | ACK! | 03:22 |
BartJol | now it work again | 03:22 |
* SDuensin cheers for BartJol | 03:22 | |
lelelele | SDuensin: how you started with WebGUI? | 03:22 |
@rizen | lelelele: webgui is so powerful that it actually runs the CMS Matrix | 03:22 |
lelelele | wow | 03:22 |
lelelele | really | 03:22 |
@rizen | yup | 03:22 |
@rizen | go to cmsmatrix.org | 03:22 |
lelelele | so all those intro page about most clicks is a fake :( | 03:22 |
@rizen | and do a view source | 03:22 |
@rizen | you'll see a meta tag that says the page is generated using webgui | 03:22 |
lelelele | I found WebGUI from that intro page from those "most clicks". | 03:23 |
SDuensin | lelelele - I just stumbled on it years ago. Foolishly tried other programs. Almost back to 100% WebGUI. | 03:23 |
lelelele | 0k | 03:23 |
@rizen | lelelele: no...we don't touch the site. we just let it run | 03:23 |
BartJol | ACK, awfully cumulated kunbicles? | 03:23 |
@rizen | we were the first site on the list, and we have the most clicks because we've been there from day one, and are the best | 03:23 |
SDuensin | I fell in love with the 5.x series. 6.x had some growing pains. Now I'm back, baby! | 03:23 |
lelelele | let's assume that WebGUI is so powerful and GUI is so good dev'ed that noone needs to come to smth like #drupal-support for asking "how to change theme". | 03:23 |
lelelele | so that is why we are here only some devs and lovers. | 03:24 |
lelelele | of WebGUI. | 03:24 |
BartJol | SDuensin: ok back to your Thingy problem | 03:24 |
@rizen | lelelele: you'd have to be in the community a while to understand | 03:24 |
BartJol | I'll open my db | 03:25 |
@rizen | the number of people in an IRC channel does not mean you have a good or big community | 03:25 |
@rizen | it just means you have a lot of people in IRC or not | 03:25 |
SDuensin | lelelele, like I said, it takes a bit more power to run WebGUI. All the kids with $5 a month web hosts can't install it. | 03:25 |
SDuensin | BartJol - How do you want me to send my dump over? | 03:25 |
lelelele | rizen: I want to start. I have Drupal configured easily. I configured commercial PHP/MySQL/WinApp easily. Hope my Apache/MySQL server is enough for installing WebGUI? | 03:25 |
@rizen | lelelele: no, you need the WebGUI Runtime Environment (WRE) | 03:26 |
lelelele | Also Perl community forces me to learn Perl not PHP :)) | 03:26 |
SDuensin | Yes. WRE! | 03:26 |
lelelele | but that is not the most important :) | 03:26 |
Radix-wrk | WRE rocks | 03:26 |
f00li5h | lelelele: still trolling php, i see | 03:26 |
lelelele | WRE reminds me JRE rofl. | 03:26 |
lelelele | :))) | 03:26 |
Radix-wrk | or even easier.. use the vmware appliance | 03:26 |
BartJol | SDuensin: I'm studying the tables | 03:27 |
BartJol | ; | 03:27 |
lelelele | you mean my output website will have smth like JRE? Without WRE costumers won't see the website? | 03:27 |
f00li5h | wut | 03:27 |
lelelele | f00li5h : wow you are here too. | 03:27 |
lelelele | Gosh, so you are dev of WebGUI? | 03:28 |
f00li5h | I am everywhere | 03:28 |
BartJol | hee Radix_ good morning | 03:28 |
@rizen | lelelele: no: the WRE is a server-side thing...users don't need it | 03:28 |
@rizen | just the server | 03:28 |
SDuensin | lelelele - The WRE is all the software you need to run WebGUI. | 03:28 |
Radix-wrk | WRE is a preconfigured MySQL, Apache, Perl, Webgui setup - ready to go and optimised | 03:28 |
lelelele | rizen: ok for my localhost it is ok, what about my ISP? | 03:28 |
lelelele | he will not like idea about WRE. | 03:28 |
lelelele | I mean hosting . | 03:28 |
@rizen | then you probably can't run webgui | 03:28 |
@rizen | the server runs the WRE | 03:28 |
lelelele | I see :( | 03:29 |
lelelele | Anyway for localhost that will be fun to try out. | 03:29 |
BartJol | SDuensin: did you assign a default Thing? | 03:29 |
@rizen | lelelele: don't bother installing it, just use the demo | 03:29 |
Radix-wrk | hopefully soon it'll be as easy as apt-get install webgui (on debian at least) | 03:29 |
SDuensin | BartJol - Yea | 03:29 |
Radix-wrk | BartJol, morning :) | 03:30 |
@rizen | lelelele: what do you want to see by installing it that you can't figure out by using the demo? | 03:30 |
SDuensin | Radix-wrk - That would make my day. | 03:30 |
Radix-wrk | SDuensin, mine too :) | 03:30 |
lelelele | rizen: I begin thinking that WRE is smth like PHP (server side). | 03:31 |
@rizen | yes lelelele | 03:31 |
lelelele | hmmm | 03:31 |
BartJol | SDuensin: if you can give me some rows of Thing and the Thingy that holds it, that might give me some starting info | 03:32 |
BartJol | say limit 10 on th e first one | 03:32 |
SDuensin | I dumped just the Thingy-related stuff. It's short. Like 12k. | 03:32 |
BartJol | keep in mind that it's half past 2 here | 03:32 |
SDuensin | hehee | 03:32 |
BartJol | in paste bin? | 03:32 |
SDuensin | Sure. | 03:32 |
lelelele | rizen: WRE is a language like PHP? Or just menubar CMS? | 03:32 |
lelelele | BartJol: in my place it is half past 4 | 03:33 |
@rizen | WRE= Perl + Apache + MySQL + Image Magick | 03:33 |
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BartJol | lelelele: I know | 03:33 |
@rizen | lelelele: http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/the-case-for-the-wre | 03:33 |
lelelele | what about security rizen? | 03:34 |
SDuensin | BartJol - http://webgui.pastebin.com/m31b76002 | 03:34 |
lelelele | I mean big number operations (shutting down server). | 03:34 |
lelelele | PHP handles it by default don't allow too much for scripters. | 03:34 |
lelelele | Perl has sandboxes like Java do? | 03:34 |
BartJol | found it | 03:34 |
BartJol | the dump that is | 03:34 |
SDuensin | lelelele - mod_perl has limits like mod_php. It won't run off with your server. | 03:34 |
BartJol | not the problem | 03:35 |
lelelele | good. | 03:35 |
lelelele | 0k. I assume it is very good thing. | 03:35 |
SDuensin | lelelele, WebGUI makes everything else look like a toy. | 03:36 |
SDuensin | Like rizen said, create a demo account and play with it. | 03:36 |
f00li5h | rizen: well, i'm convinced ;) | 03:36 |
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dionak | i've been convinced by the wre too. it makes it super simple to setup webgui, as rizen mentions in his post | 03:38 |
SDuensin | First time I set up WebGUI, I *compiled* *everything*. Talk about "fun"! | 03:39 |
Radix-wrk | heh.. been there, done that too ;) | 03:39 |
Radix-wrk | I went to great lengths to set up a debian server with webgui - worked great, except I remember getting wierd errors that PB couldn't duplicate.. not big ones, but wierd. Some interaction of perl modules of differing versions caused it. Since switching to the WRE everything has been rock solid stable. | 03:41 |
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SDuensin | I run WRE on Ubuntu. It's a rock. (Which is the opposite of a brick.) | 03:42 |
Radix-wrk | [root@webgui ~]# uptime | 03:43 |
Radix-wrk | 10:42:39 up 172 days, 21:33, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 | 03:43 |
SDuensin | Yea. Mine is like 6 hours. I updated the OS today. :-) | 03:43 |
Radix-wrk | not too bad.. think the last time I shut it down was when we reorganised the server room | 03:43 |
lelelele | speed.... what about speed comparing PHP/MySQL running Apache, and WRE/MySQL/Perl website/database? | 03:44 |
lelelele | in percents please. My company website is pretty slow with Apache/PHP/MySQL. | 03:44 |
Radix-wrk | Assets:5600 | 03:44 |
Radix-wrk | Packages:3 | 03:44 |
Radix-wrk | Templates:288 | 03:44 |
Radix-wrk | Active Sessions:840 | 03:44 |
Radix-wrk | Users:11147 | 03:44 |
Radix-wrk | Groups:1276 | 03:45 |
SDuensin | Can't provide percents. Depends too much on your machine, OS, etc. | 03:45 |
@rizen | lelelele: it's not enough to just say perl vs php. because the code running it is different | 03:45 |
SDuensin | But it's fast. I run about 18 sites on a low-end server. | 03:45 |
BartJol | mmm, SDuensin, I'm afriad it will cost me some time on a more awake and sober moment to work this out, but at the moment the only thing I see that a Thingy_3VuQpp2ZL7Mr5RyLIR7pag is created but, I don't see a relation | 03:45 |
Radix-wrk | how can you compare speed realistically? | 03:45 |
@rizen | lelelele: what i can tell you is, that WebGUI runs 300% faster on the WRE than it does on native Apache, MySQL packages that come with Red Hat Enterprise Linux | 03:45 |
SDuensin | BartJol - Just not sure what caused it to happen. It was fine. I committed a version tag and it blew up. | 03:46 |
lelelele | wow rizen, amazing numbers. | 03:46 |
BartJol | how's your disc space, it solved my problems 10 minutes ago :) | 03:46 |
SDuensin | rizen - Red Hat *finally* fixed their annoying Perl bug. About time. | 03:47 |
@rizen | SD yeah, i read about that | 03:47 |
SDuensin | Last time I ran Red Hat was before the big change to libc. That's been forever! | 03:48 |
@rizen | lelelele: one other thing to consider. a Plain Black employee can install WebGUI using native packages in about 2 hours. or can install WebGUI using the WRE in about 7 minutes | 03:48 |
lelelele | rizen: I still dont like admin panel. | 03:48 |
SDuensin | lelelele - Why? | 03:48 |
lelelele | it is not fast for company to use admin panel online. Why dont you make app for windows? | 03:49 |
lelelele | and then export/update database online. | 03:49 |
SDuensin | Because a huge part of the world can't stand Windows. :-) | 03:49 |
Radix-wrk | not everyone uses windows | 03:49 |
@rizen | lelelele: because that only covers windows | 03:49 |
@rizen | then we'd need to build an interface for mac, linux, iphones, blackberry's, etc | 03:50 |
SDuensin | I'm guessing Windows is the minority here. :-) | 03:50 |
@rizen | that's a lot of work | 03:50 |
Radix-wrk | I like being able to log into the website from anywhere in the world on any pc and be able to edit/update the website, publish changes, etc | 03:50 |
BartJol | SDuensin: my thingy doesn't seem to create a Thingy_id table | 03:50 |
SDuensin | Radix-wrk - Agreed. | 03:50 |
SDuensin | BartJol - That dump is from 7.5.31. | 03:51 |
Radix-wrk | in fact we have users all over the world who do that for our website | 03:51 |
SDuensin | 31? 30? | 03:51 |
SDuensin | 31 | 03:51 |
SDuensin | :-) | 03:51 |
lelelele | any CMS does the same `being able` from any place in the world. | 03:51 |
BartJol | mmm, I don't have a site I can't fiddle around with from that version | 03:51 |
BartJol | only have 7.6.1 | 03:51 |
lelelele | for company the speed of database changing is important too. | 03:52 |
lelelele | Sure it is not a problem, as we admins can easily make it on localhost and export database. | 03:52 |
lelelele | but it is not meant to be so. | 03:52 |
Radix-wrk | lelelele, but as soon as you force people to install an application to be able to edit it, then it provides an entry requirement and locks people out | 03:52 |
SDuensin | Is your connection that slow, lelelele? Why do you want it local? | 03:52 |
Radix-wrk | and makes it harder to change on the fly | 03:52 |
SDuensin | It WebGUI required Windows to use it, I'd not be here. | 03:53 |
Radix-wrk | neither would PB ;) | 03:53 |
SDuensin | hehe | 03:53 |
BartJol | oh, and prolly I will will be bothering you tomorrow night too, I'll try to stay awake during elections | 03:53 |
Radix-wrk | they all use macs there from what I've seen | 03:53 |
@rizen | lelelele: if you're looking for something that installs local then webgui isn't for you | 03:53 |
SDuensin | I use a Mac laptop, but that's for the UNIX, not the GUI. | 03:53 |
SDuensin | My new business is based entirely on Linux and WebGUI. | 03:54 |
SDuensin | :-) | 03:54 |
* SDuensin has Gooey sitting on a speaker watching him work. | 03:54 | |
* Radix-wrk wonders where his Gooey dolls are. | 03:54 | |
lelelele | rizen : I have nice database win app, and I compare all CMS (1Mgbit connection) with my PC database in winapp. | 03:54 |
lelelele | Believe me the speed of changing database is just as comparing lightning with dunno what. | 03:55 |
@rizen | lelelele: that's fine, webgui isn't for everybody | 03:55 |
@rizen | lelelele: webgui is the best cms out there for more than 10,000 businesses, but it may not be the best cms for your business | 03:55 |
lelelele | No I still use company website with PHP/MySQL. | 03:55 |
lelelele | it would be best if we re-programmed old website. | 03:56 |
lelelele | But it is total impossible... we using tables and many programmed modules. | 03:56 |
SDuensin | I wish I knew what I did to the Thingy. I really want to use it. | 03:56 |
lelelele | too expensive to program new modules on Perl. | 03:56 |
BartJol | sorry SDuensin, I feel my eyelids dropping down | 03:57 |
BartJol | darn gravity | 03:57 |
SDuensin | BartJol - That's fine BartJol. Go rest! :-) I can just delete and start over. | 03:57 |
SDuensin | (And be more careful!) | 03:57 |
BartJol | with what? | 03:57 |
BartJol | gooeys? | 03:58 |
BartJol | or thingy? | 03:58 |
SDuensin | Thingy. Delete them. | 03:58 |
BartJol | :) | 03:58 |
BartJol | I don't really use them (yet) | 03:58 |
Radix-wrk | So on different topic... We've got a famous horse race going on in Australia in a couple of hours.. and I understand there's a similar horse race going on in the USA soon too? :) | 03:59 |
BartJol | horses? We only have cow and other cattle races | 04:00 |
Radix-wrk | heh.. we race everything here.. even cane toad races | 04:00 |
* SDuensin has no idea | 04:00 | |
BartJol | do horses also have those build-in handbags, like all australian animals? | 04:01 |
BartJol | arg, my sense off humor is deteriorating | 04:01 |
SDuensin | hehe | 04:02 |
@rizen | bartjol: do you have a sense of humor? | 04:02 |
lelelele | rizen: WYSIWYG editor is superb. Javascript tabber principle is my favorite idea for CMS. | 04:03 |
BartJol | rizen: yeah, I do, only yours is so bad, that you don't notice, almost a female-male miscommunication | 04:04 |
lelelele | pretty fast loading images from javascript. | 04:04 |
BartJol | unfortunately, I would be the female... | 04:04 |
@rizen | bartjol: i had mine surgically removed at birth | 04:04 |
BartJol | and you try to judge mine? | 04:04 |
BartJol | in the netherland, we have a proverb for it | 04:05 |
BartJol | it's schoenmaker, blijf bij je leest | 04:05 |
BartJol | which means something like | 04:05 |
BartJol | shoemaker, stay with your shoe making tools | 04:06 |
BartJol | so "rizen: shut up and start programming would be a good equivalent" | 04:07 |
BartJol | rizen: you looked really qute in your joker outfit | 04:08 |
lelelele | BartJol: how much did you smoke today? | 04:08 |
lelelele | your Netherlands proverbs seems to be made from smoking narcotics. | 04:09 |
BartJol | only plain tabacco | 04:09 |
lelelele | I smoked tabacco too but I am not so rude. | 04:09 |
lelelele | Are you m/f? | 04:09 |
BartJol | lelelele: no we sell everything to france people to keep them a bit relaxed | 04:09 |
lelelele | :)) | 04:09 |
@rizen | BartJol is not rude, he's my wife's Dutch boyfriend | 04:10 |
lelelele | oh.... | 04:10 |
BartJol | and I try to adjust to rizens way off talking, so he understands | 04:10 |
lelelele | I see. | 04:10 |
lelelele | Denmark... | 04:10 |
lelelele | They are smart too. | 04:10 |
BartJol | yeah, that's a very usefull remark... Denmark | 04:11 |
BartJol | now I'm getting rude | 04:11 |
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lelelele | huh? | 04:12 |
BartJol | and I type too much for being stoned, and believe me, I've got experience | 04:12 |
lelelele | D | 04:12 |
SDuensin | hehe | 04:12 |
lelelele | Dutch == Denmark, what's wrong bart? | 04:12 |
@rizen | Danish == Denmark | 04:13 |
@rizen | Dutch = Holland | 04:13 |
BartJol | or even better "the Netherlands" | 04:13 |
lelelele | What a difference, I heared in Netherlands they are mostly from Holland. | 04:13 |
lelelele | Even speak Dutch language mostly. | 04:14 |
lelelele | whoops or maybe I misunderstood the words. | 04:14 |
BartJol | lelelele: you might, it's a quarter past 4 for you | 04:15 |
lelelele | 4:14 | 04:15 |
BartJol | and you type quite good for this time | 04:15 |
lelelele | must sleep:( | 04:15 |
lelelele | no really I mistype too much. | 04:15 |
BartJol | I'm free tomorrow | 04:15 |
lelelele | I not only chat with you but also try to test demo online of WebGUI | 04:15 |
BartJol | mwahhahaha | 04:15 |
lelelele | hard to concenctrate | 04:15 |
lelelele | no need | 04:15 |
lelelele | I just tested | 04:16 |
lelelele | it is not for me sadly. | 04:16 |
lelelele | I will concentrate on making my own php CMS... | 04:16 |
lelelele | I feel to bad in all CMS'es... | 04:16 |
lelelele | My ideas too many for any CMS out there. Every idea has to add some functions... | 04:16 |
lelelele | etc u know... | 04:17 |
BartJol | some people here might consider PHP as a curse around here | 04:17 |
lelelele | ok see you | 04:17 |
lelelele | no not really | 04:17 |
BartJol | I don't | 04:17 |
lelelele | Perl would be good too but I am newbie | 04:17 |
lelelele | so began on PHP... | 04:17 |
BartJol | hee, I'm a newbie, don't have php experience | 04:18 |
lelelele | i was total newbie just 2008-05-15 | 04:18 |
lelelele | on that date I decided to know what does all words like HTTP/CSS means | 04:18 |
BartJol | that;s a year or 2 less than me | 04:18 |
lelelele | and at the moment I pretty much tested, even ran calculator in JRE JAVA environment | 04:18 |
lelelele | some Python scripts. PHP becomes comfortable. HTML tags easy. | 04:19 |
lelelele | I mean it is easy to learn nowadays. | 04:19 |
lelelele | No need of school. Only one bad thing is IRC. | 04:19 |
lelelele | But communication is the key of success :) | 04:19 |
BartJol | and I am just learning to program (coo)l stuff | 04:19 |
lelelele | I will catch you . | 04:19 |
@preaction | i've always felt that dedication and hard work are the keys to success | 04:19 |
lelelele | actually they are. | 04:20 |
lelelele | But for newbie. | 04:20 |
BartJol | most work for me was with tranlating | 04:20 |
lelelele | It was big school to get all around, to smell technologies. | 04:20 |
lelelele | Now I am enough with google and some .net portals of learning. | 04:20 |
lelelele | but node community is always very nice to come back. | 04:21 |
lelelele | just to look `is there any easy thing invented yet?` and again: No go learn hard way if you want become master. | 04:21 |
BartJol | is "Tere" also lithuanian? | 04:22 |
lelelele | And if to use free CMS it is no nice at all. | 04:22 |
lelelele | I can make html website as fast as with CMS. | 04:22 |
lelelele | I need many functions in portal, but those functions so different from what CMS gives today, that I must learn program/code myself. | 04:23 |
SDuensin | Not with forums, user management, etc. | 04:23 |
lelelele | sure | 04:23 |
lelelele | But for those was eBulletin | 04:23 |
lelelele | very nice one long time ago, why Drupal etc came ? Was enough of that one too. | 04:23 |
SDuensin | I like everything to be integrated. One account. | 04:23 |
lelelele | BartJol: no dunno what you mean. | 04:24 |
BartJol | lelelele: it means hi and goodbye in estonian | 04:24 |
lelelele | BartJol: in Lituanian for `hi` is "labas" and for `goodbye` is "iki" | 04:25 |
lelelele | spelling is without english accent though. | 04:26 |
lelelele | i is i, not ai. | 04:26 |
lelelele | :) | 04:26 |
BartJol | I'll try to remember, allthough it's hopeless at this time | 04:26 |
lelelele | a is a, not ei :) | 04:26 |
BartJol | ok, Dutch pronounciation is quite similar than | 04:26 |
lelelele | that is good ;) | 04:27 |
BartJol | s/than/then/ | 04:27 |
BartJol | nearest to Lithuania I've beenm was Parnu | 04:28 |
lelelele | rizen: I got idea for your new project. Make such a CMS, that from beginning would go configuration/installation of modules what we need to use. E.G. Installing what we need like import images module, changing with Search menubar, sorting database in meny ways, etc. | 04:28 |
BartJol | nice beach there | 04:28 |
lelelele | That way I could easily add modules which I need. And also translate to my own language. It will look completly cool feeling for users of database inside CMS. Cause they will feel in native CMS which I made. | 04:29 |
@rizen | so your idea is that i should build exactly what you need? | 04:30 |
lelelele | At the moment it looks ordinary CMS with many things not needed etc etc if you know what I mean. If you ever seen simple CMS made for company needs in native language of course. | 04:30 |
@rizen | the way you want it built? | 04:30 |
lelelele | yes | 04:30 |
lelelele | sure why not | 04:30 |
lelelele | like constructor | 04:30 |
lelelele | install module | 04:30 |
lelelele | delete module | 04:30 |
lelelele | smth like that | 04:30 |
lelelele | or you mean I can configure that too for certain users like in Drupal? | 04:30 |
@rizen | i have a better idea... i'm logging off for the night | 04:30 |
BartJol | lelelele: you can choose to not use modules you don't need | 04:30 |
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@preaction | you can also choose to remove modules you don't want | 04:31 |
lelelele | preaction: ok ;) | 04:31 |
BartJol | or disable is a better word | 04:31 |
lelelele | rizen is cool . | 04:31 |
lelelele | I liked him at first sight :) | 04:31 |
lelelele | today :) | 04:31 |
@preaction | i believe the feeling is mutual even | 04:31 |
BartJol | His couch is nice to | 04:32 |
BartJol | o | 04:32 |
lelelele | BartJol hello | 04:32 |
@preaction | his old couch was nicer, that's why i have it now | 04:32 |
lelelele | preaction hello | 04:32 |
BartJol | preaction: can I sleep at your place next year? | 04:33 |
BartJol | the old one was better indeed | 04:33 |
@preaction | BartJol, i'm almost 2 hours away from madison, so no | 04:33 |
lelelele | hmmm | 04:33 |
@preaction | i'd have to be at least 3 hours away to allow you to sleep here | 04:34 |
lelelele | you both said His in my script it meant to be "Hi*" | 04:34 |
lelelele | so it was script which said hello to you both :) | 04:34 |
@preaction | i'd turn off that script, like now | 04:34 |
lelelele | what you mean couch :D | 04:35 |
lelelele | ok I will turn off. | 04:35 |
BartJol | well, I slept at JT's hoem | 04:35 |
lelelele | so you talk about bed? | 04:35 |
BartJol | home | 04:35 |
BartJol | no | 04:35 |
lelelele | dunno | 04:36 |
BartJol | the thing you can sit on with a couple of persons | 04:36 |
BartJol | bench? | 04:36 |
@preaction | sofa | 04:36 |
@preaction | davenport | 04:36 |
lelelele | so you are here | 04:36 |
lelelele | like sleeping together ? | 04:36 |
lelelele | some of you? | 04:36 |
BartJol | no, I was in august | 04:37 |
lelelele | you was BartJol (what you were?) and (with who?) | 04:37 |
BartJol | JT his wife promised that I could sleep with her, and she would kick him, out | 04:37 |
BartJol | I was alone :( | 04:37 |
BartJol | JT=rizen | 04:38 |
lelelele | oh... | 04:38 |
lelelele | rizen is m/f? | 04:38 |
BartJol | m/f? | 04:38 |
lelelele | i thought it was male. | 04:38 |
lelelele | yes, sex? | 04:38 |
BartJol | he is male | 04:38 |
BartJol | I am too | 04:39 |
lelelele | 0k | 04:39 |
lelelele | 0k | 04:39 |
BartJol | his wife isn't | 04:39 |
lelelele | 0k | 04:39 |
lelelele | BartJol hello | 04:39 |
lelelele | whoops again stupid script. | 04:39 |
BartJol | mmm | 04:39 |
lelelele | don't use word "his". | 04:39 |
BartJol | I'll just finish mu smoke and wodka, then I'll go to bed | 04:40 |
lelelele | I cannot go to menubar in my mIRC and turn off. cause I turned off menubar and dunno how to show menubar again. | 04:40 |
lelelele | I dranked two beers | 04:40 |
lelelele | dont want to smoke at the moment, I just am in my bad all the time with laptop. | 04:40 |
BartJol | I top that | 04:40 |
BartJol | bad is bath or bed? | 04:41 |
lelelele | bed | 04:41 |
lelelele | :)) | 04:41 |
lelelele | laptop on bath hah | 04:41 |
lelelele | would be smth new... | 04:41 |
BartJol | ok, otherwise I'll had too warn you for the dangers | 04:41 |
lelelele | :)) | 04:41 |
lelelele | 0k | 04:42 |
lelelele | tell me more | 04:42 |
lelelele | about that wife | 04:42 |
lelelele | you share same woman with r? | 04:42 |
BartJol | not really | 04:42 |
lelelele | rizen claimed you are. | 04:42 |
BartJol | she just called me her boyfriend | 04:43 |
BartJol | and that she would move to here to form my harem | 04:43 |
BartJol | but she didn't | 04:43 |
lelelele | :: | 04:43 |
BartJol | to make it up she wants to couple me to a friend of hers | 04:43 |
lelelele | WOW | 04:43 |
lelelele | :) | 04:43 |
lelelele | Interesting... | 04:44 |
lelelele | I have girlfriend too | 04:44 |
BartJol | yeah, nice a girlfriend 3000 miles from here | 04:44 |
BartJol | but his wife is nice to hangout with | 04:45 |
lelelele | but she is blond and doesn't use irc, or understand anything about html etc, she just use some final php products for communication, those slow ones...and plays some very old games :) | 04:45 |
lelelele | we are different, cause I like codes, etc , she likes music :D | 04:45 |
BartJol | ah, I had one off those | 04:45 |
lelelele | you left her or she left you? | 04:46 |
lelelele | why? | 04:46 |
BartJol | not to be negative | 04:46 |
BartJol | well, we just hadn't enough "click" | 04:46 |
lelelele | heh yeah | 04:47 |
lelelele | that is painful | 04:47 |
BartJol | did like each other, and that the other pone had the intrest, but didn't share enough | 04:47 |
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lelelele | pone? | 04:48 |
BartJol | one | 04:48 |
lelelele | hmmm | 04:48 |
BartJol | was a nice time though | 04:48 |
lelelele | she didnt like computers? | 04:48 |
lelelele | and your coding? | 04:48 |
BartJol | nope | 04:48 |
lelelele | she didnt like you sitting near computer when you together? | 04:49 |
BartJol | yeah, the fatal point was that she said: I don't like the way you indent in your code | 04:49 |
lelelele | you tried to explain her BroodWar strategy game rules but she said she wasnt interested at all to this difficult game? | 04:49 |
Radix-wrk | heh.. it's funny because you're thinking of BartJol as a computer nerd - and in rl he's not ;) | 04:49 |
lelelele | "intend in your code" ? | 04:50 |
BartJol | indent | 04:50 |
SDuensin | In real life he's supposed to be RESTING! :-P | 04:50 |
lelelele | ah .... | 04:50 |
lelelele | BartJol : so you are not geek. | 04:50 |
lelelele | like me :) | 04:50 |
BartJol | mm, that sounds like a comment for both of us lelelele | 04:50 |
BartJol | ok SDq | 04:50 |
BartJol | SDuensin: | 04:50 |
* Radix-wrk enjoyed many great belgian, dutch and german beers with BartJol when he was in Holland last year. | 04:51 | |
BartJol | and haring | 04:51 |
lelelele | wow | 04:51 |
Radix-wrk | hehe.. and Haring | 04:51 |
lelelele | I drink lithuanian beer mostly. | 04:51 |
lelelele | it is very good. | 04:51 |
lelelele | too:) | 04:51 |
lelelele | I suppose all beer is good in the world :) | 04:52 |
Radix-wrk | Beer is good | 04:52 |
BartJol | not all | 04:52 |
Radix-wrk | not all appeals to everyone | 04:52 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: are you a beer snob? | 04:52 |
BartJol | but the intention of beer is good | 04:52 |
BartJol | perlmonkey2: no, but even I have my limits | 04:52 |
Radix-wrk | Beer is liquid hope to the ugly. | 04:53 |
BartJol | like bud-light | 04:53 |
Radix-wrk | most light beers are crap tho really | 04:53 |
@perlmonkey2 | I love light beer | 04:53 |
BartJol | or doesn't that earns the label beer? | 04:53 |
@perlmonkey2 | you can drink it as long as you want and never get drunk | 04:53 |
Radix-wrk | perlmonkey2, really? why? | 04:53 |
* lelelele agrees perlmonkey2 | 04:53 | |
@perlmonkey2 | all the while enjoying frosty goodness | 04:54 |
lelelele | though I sometimes get drunk from light beer too. | 04:54 |
* f00li5h paws at perlmonkey2 | 04:54 | |
@perlmonkey2 | hey f00li5h :) | 04:54 |
f00li5h | perlmonkey2: how's things? | 04:54 |
lelelele | hi perlmonkey2 | 04:54 |
@perlmonkey2 | pretty groovy, about about you's? | 04:54 |
lelelele | f00li5h you are here again :)) | 04:54 |
BartJol | well, for drinking all day long it's good, but make sure it's chech something similar | 04:54 |
@perlmonkey2 | hello lelelele | 04:54 |
lelelele | hey perlmonkey2 | 04:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Coors light :D | 04:55 |
BartJol | s drinking light beer is only allowed if you drink it all day | 04:55 |
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f00li5h | lelelele: i had to go get milk... came back with $100 worth of food goods -_- | 04:55 |
lelelele | wow | 04:55 |
BartJol | perlmonkey2: mmmm, I am not rally sure whether I want to know you anymore | 04:56 |
lelelele | and we are trolling here in terms of perl channed node f00li5h | 04:56 |
lelelele | :)) | 04:56 |
lelelele | trollin about beer :)) | 04:56 |
lelelele | but doesn't matter, we are Europe time mostly I suppose, so we are a bit relaxed. | 04:56 |
Radix-wrk | you guys all php advocates or something? | 04:56 |
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f00li5h | i wish i had european beer! | 04:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol => beeristocat | 04:56 |
BartJol | tomorrow the subject will prolly be elections | 04:56 |
SDuensin | BartJol - I hope not. I'm sick of it. | 04:57 |
Radix-wrk | Will you vote though - that's the question.. | 04:57 |
Radix-wrk | here we're forced to vote | 04:58 |
SDuensin | If I get home in time. | 04:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | forced to vote? how strange | 04:58 |
lelelele | f00li5h : I have one, would like to give it to you, for some food goods from your basket... | 04:58 |
Radix-wrk | if you don't vote you get fined | 04:58 |
BartJol | perlmonkey2: yeah yeah, go ahead with your impressive booming voice, but you'll have to talk louther if you want to get me shaking | 04:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | that is nuts | 04:58 |
SDuensin | They're all crooks though. Sucks having to pick the lesser of two evils. | 04:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: :P | 04:58 |
f00li5h | lelelele: you are going to give me food goods? | 04:58 |
Radix-wrk | voting occurs on a weekend tho - so everyone can do it.. and we have absentee voting if you're not able to make it to a polling booth on the day | 04:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: I can't be too scary if I like light beer | 04:58 |
f00li5h | lelelele: liquid breakfast! | 04:59 |
Radix-wrk | You guys are making me thirsty! | 04:59 |
lelelele | f00li5h : just one Lithuanian beer candle. | 04:59 |
lelelele | hah:) | 04:59 |
Radix-wrk | just going on lunchtime here too.. one hour before the big race | 04:59 |
lelelele | ok will be fine for my little sister f00li5h :) | 04:59 |
lelelele | I personally prefered some american chocolade :D | 05:00 |
f00li5h | american chocolate? | 05:00 |
lelelele | not snickers/rafaelo/etc what is plenty in Europe :) | 05:00 |
f00li5h | oh! i have british candy, does that count? | 05:00 |
Radix-wrk | belgian chocolates are the best | 05:00 |
lelelele | yes, smth like with ment | 05:00 |
lelelele | I know one very tasty | 05:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, the best mass produced ale ever made, Sam Adams Boston | 05:00 |
lelelele | we dont have it here :) | 05:00 |
lelelele | menthol | 05:00 |
Radix-wrk | nor here | 05:01 |
BartJol | perlmonkey2: it's not the physical part, only the menatl one, that someone confinced you you like it, they can convince you of everything | 05:01 |
Radix-wrk | Little Creatures Pale Ale is a very nice local beer where I am ;) | 05:01 |
lelelele | ok | 05:01 |
lelelele | it was fantastic night with you | 05:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: I am a sheeple for beer, or more commonly know as a beeple. | 05:01 |
lelelele | but before I get up 10am | 05:01 |
lelelele | I need to sleep 5hours and counting | 05:02 |
lelelele | bye mates! | 05:02 |
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BartJol | well, that's one lost soul | 05:02 |
SDuensin | hehe | 05:02 |
SDuensin | He has some technology issues to work out. :-) | 05:03 |
BartJol | allthough I got the feeling he liked us... | 05:03 |
SDuensin | How could you not!? | 05:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | if he is serious about his goals, he'll probably be back. | 05:03 |
BartJol | he even had a conversation with JT, and was not apalled with his "directness" | 05:04 |
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Radix-wrk | heh | 05:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | wow, Obama is trading $9.10 for a $10 contract or 91% chance to win. | 05:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | seems like easy money | 05:05 |
BartJol | eeeh | 05:06 |
Radix-wrk | Does sound like he's won. But it all depends on who hits the polling booths on the day. | 05:06 |
BartJol | like, really buying people to vote for him? | 05:06 |
Radix-wrk | heh.. I suspect those are the odds for a bet | 05:07 |
BartJol | Radix-wrk: well, normally a democracy work like that, but in the USA? | 05:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: a contract market on who will win. | 05:07 |
BartJol | like a bet? | 05:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | McCain is trading at $.90 for a $10 contract | 05:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | yes, except they call it a market contract | 05:08 |
BartJol | that's horrible that it is even legal | 05:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | you are trading $10 contracts that pay 0 if the terms fail or $10 if they meet. | 05:08 |
Radix-wrk | In the USA - anything is possible.. heck it's possible for a young black boy to turn into an old white woman. (Michael Jackson) | 05:08 |
SDuensin | It's like a football pool. | 05:08 |
BartJol | yeah, that is given me a lot of trust on US politics... | 05:11 |
BartJol | s/is/has/ | 05:11 |
* SDuensin is in the USA. Imagine the trust he has. | 05:11 | |
Radix-wrk | heh | 05:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | the system is horribly broken. | 05:12 |
SDuensin | And massively corrupt. | 05:13 |
BartJol | Dutch politics isn't all that, don't get strange ideas about that, but I think I've got more choice than in the US | 05:13 |
Radix-wrk | http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-11-03.gif | 05:14 |
BartJol | but it is always choosing between a vaginal douche and a turd sandwich... | 05:14 |
SDuensin | Hey, I don't remember you guys starting a war to protect your personal oil interests. Can't be THAT bad. | 05:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Oh come on, we have a Chicago Politician (a pejorative) or a Good ol boy Republican (also a perjorative) to choose from. See, that is choice. | 05:15 |
BartJol | SDuensin: no, we just join you to remain friends, allthough we have not that many troups, just send them to win friendship from the UK and US | 05:18 |
BartJol | governments that is | 05:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: you didn't have to do that, I already consider us friends :) | 05:19 |
BartJol | yeay, me and you, but our governments?? | 05:19 |
BartJol | I don't question all US people | 05:19 |
BartJol | only the "board" from the last..... let's say 8 years | 05:20 |
@perlmonkey2 | the "board"? | 05:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | what is that? | 05:21 |
BartJol | perlmonkey2: do you think that things will get better with one of the two president cannidates | 05:22 |
BartJol | ? | 05:22 |
BartJol | the bush administration perlmonkey2 | 05:22 |
BartJol | not directly the senate | 05:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | no | 05:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | I think things will get worse | 05:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | regardless | 05:23 |
BartJol | but is that just a economic fluctuation problem or more fundamental? | 05:24 |
BartJol | where do your concerns are eventually? | 05:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | I think the last 8 years have brought incredible new levels of corruption to government. That will not easily be reversed. | 05:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | Not unless Patrick Fitzgerald is given a secretarily position to police Congress :P | 05:25 |
BartJol | so a lot of "supporting"people stay or is it a trend to be bribable? | 05:26 |
BartJol | stay after the elections | 05:26 |
@perlmonkey2 | the political appoitments will mostly all change | 05:27 |
BartJol | and bribable has more meanings than just money | 05:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | I think the corruption is mostly limited to upper government. There are pretty good checks on the little people. | 05:27 |
BartJol | so you expect both candidates to keep that intact? | 05:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | How would the president police congress? impossible. | 05:29 |
BartJol | s/that/the crruptness/ | 05:29 |
SDuensin | Our government needs rebooted. | 05:30 |
BartJol | I would like to say thta "sense" would be an answer | 05:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: here is why this is. Congress approval ratings are at an all time low. At one point they were in the single digits. Yes in the Senate only 8 of the 33 seats up are even contested. | 05:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | incumbants just don't lose very often no matter what they do. | 05:32 |
BartJol | but if you want to chance other people (than US) you should chance yourself (not meant personally), personally I think a good learning and health program would be a priority | 05:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | bah we can get nothing done until the corruption is dealt with. anything done now will be half-assed and full of bribery and payoffs. | 05:34 |
BartJol | self sustaining economy would be a help to, instead of just robbing other countries of oil | 05:34 |
BartJol | sorry perlmonkey2, my english is not good enough to really get what you meant with:Congress approval ratings are at an all time low. At one point they were in the single digits. Yes in the Senate only 8 of the 33 seats up are even contested. | 05:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | s/Yes/yet/ | 05:36 |
SDuensin | It's win-win over here. Our "leaders" have personal oil interests *and* private military interests. Go fight over oil and you make money no matter what. | 05:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | The Senate (one of the two houses of congress) only 8 people have a chance of losing their seats to a challenger. | 05:36 |
BartJol | is that in general? | 05:38 |
BartJol | no, apparently | 05:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | no, in general it is a lot less. In a normal year, it would be almost impossible to lose your seat in congress. | 05:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | so once elected they can be as criminal as they want with little chance of consequences. | 05:39 |
SDuensin | Remember, if "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"? :-) | 05:40 |
@perlmonkey2 | Don't get me wrong. There is a lesser of two evils to pick from. | 05:40 |
BartJol | ah, here a new president is (normally) chosen from the political group that had the highest percentage of the votes, but the congress is renewed as a result from the votes | 05:41 |
BartJol | but we have 10+ "groups" | 05:42 |
BartJol | in our congress, there's even one that just focusses om protection of animals | 05:43 |
BartJol | they have only 1 seat though | 05:43 |
BartJol | but, just keep hope, for now... I just go to bed | 05:45 |
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dionak | election tomorrow...the end of the bush era coming... | 06:10 |
dionak | i, for one, am so excited! | 06:10 |
@preaction | it may not be the end of the bush era, mccain may get elected ;-) | 06:10 |
dionak | true...but still. | 06:11 |
dionak | i really think obama will come out on top. we'll see | 06:11 |
dionak | never know. | 06:11 |
@preaction | http://www.truthout.org/110308A <- let's hope Obama wins | 06:12 |
dionak | the last two prez elections i've stayed up all night to see the results. i'm finally taking the next day off to get some rest | 06:12 |
dionak | let's hope not... | 06:14 |
apeiron | heh | 06:14 |
apeiron | It's bloody illegal to remove felons from the voter registration. =\ | 06:14 |
apeiron | Or... was. | 06:14 |
dionak | during election, i yell at the tele like others do at football games in the us. if it gets close, i'll lose my voice. ;) | 06:14 |
@preaction | that hasn't stopped the GOP in the last two presidential elections | 06:15 |
apeiron | preaction, Well, yeah. "If we can't win, we'll cheat!" | 06:15 |
dionak | there's already so much misinformation. like if you have a traffic ticket, you can't vote. | 06:15 |
dionak | it's ridiculous. | 06:15 |
apeiron | Yeah. All that's just total bull. | 06:16 |
apeiron | See also: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/air-force-aims.html | 06:16 |
dionak | yea, true but it's believed | 06:16 |
apeiron | ^ the USAF can't beat the people attacking their sites so they want to literally redesign TCP/IP | 06:16 |
apeiron | That'll go over really well with the rest of the world. | 06:17 |
apeiron | (for once I am thankful that businesses own our government, they won't stand for this) | 06:17 |
dionak | i've gotten at least 8 calls in the last 72 hours regarding voting | 06:17 |
apeiron | heh | 06:17 |
dionak | it's almost silly | 06:17 |
dionak | i've stopped answering | 06:17 |
* apeiron spent about 15 hours this weekend doing so | 06:17 | |
apeiron | That was quite the educational experience. I learned where the money goes in a campaign. | 06:18 |
apeiron | $400+ USD/day in just pizza. For one facility. Not counting phones or anything else. | 06:19 |
dionak | it's amazing how out of touch most americans are that they believe this misinformation. the internet should really be freely available to everyone so they can do their research. | 06:19 |
apeiron | yes, well | 06:19 |
apeiron | Typical American big business doesn't see things the way we hippies do. :) | 06:19 |
dionak | yea, we have biz acquaintances that make mad money on campaigns. quite amazing really that a biz model can be based on re-election. | 06:20 |
dionak | shows the machine quality of re-election, and the money behind it | 06:20 |
apeiron | That's... quite a lot of trust. | 06:20 |
dionak | obama has been campaigning for two years. imagine the capital behind that | 06:21 |
apeiron | Billions. | 06:21 |
apeiron | Easily. | 06:21 |
dionak | yea, silly $$ really | 06:21 |
apeiron | But you know what? It's money that's feeding our businesses, feeding our economy. | 06:22 |
dionak | true | 06:22 |
apeiron | They say war's great for the economy. We've got the war here that's the exception to the rule. I'd go so far to say that the campaigning is what's kept this country the milimeter it is from the economic grave. | 06:23 |
dionak | i think the exception is because of the interdependency of the global economy. | 06:23 |
apeiron | And if you look back in history at all the previous elections, this one is *huge*. All the candidates are spending enormous amounts of money on absolutely everything. | 06:24 |
dionak | yea, it just keeps growing | 06:24 |
dionak | obama has set a record | 06:24 |
apeiron | oh yeah, I heard about that. | 06:24 |
apeiron | I've seen several images around the net about his spending policy, his inexperience. One compares Clinton to Bush 1 and 2 and Reagan. Clinton was tax + spend: surplus. The rest: huge deficit. | 06:25 |
apeiron | The other one is a picture of Lincoln with the text "inexperienced Illinois senator" on the bottom. | 06:26 |
apeiron | (the latter is on cafepress if you're interested) | 06:26 |
dionak | either way, mcain + pailn just frickin' scares me. mostly her | 06:27 |
apeiron | yes. Especially considering McCain's health, we're quite possibly literally a breath away from Palin for President. | 06:28 |
dionak | love tina fey tho. !! | 06:28 |
dionak | exactly! that's why it's so scary! | 06:28 |
apeiron | I had a teacher in high school, six years ago (yes, I'm young) who made an interesting remark. He had said that no nation lasts forever. | 06:29 |
dionak | i say tina faye for prez rather than sarah. did you catch the prank on youtube? | 06:29 |
apeiron | And that there's a growing number of similarities between the US and Rome when it fell. | 06:29 |
dionak | good point. smart teacher | 06:29 |
apeiron | No, links? | 06:29 |
dionak | yea, i've heard the relation. just a sec | 06:30 |
dionak | honestly, i couldn't watch it all. thought it was a little cruel | 06:30 |
apeiron | heh. | 06:31 |
dionak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMV0LKlVj8I | 06:31 |
* apeiron *click* | 06:31 | |
dionak | she and her staff sound so excited, then confused...then disappointed.. | 06:31 |
apeiron | heh | 06:32 |
apeiron | Have you heard what the McCain campaign is doing now? | 06:32 |
dionak | idk, their strategy hasn't changed much | 06:32 |
apeiron | They're actually using automated bots to call people and play clips of *Hillary* talking trash about Obama. | 06:33 |
@preaction | yeah, By Any Means Necessary doesn't really lend a supporting strategy | 06:33 |
apeiron | "maybe in eight years" /me shudders | 06:33 |
dionak | i recently heard the robocalls statistically have no effect... | 06:33 |
dionak | npr | 06:33 |
apeiron | Probably not. But still, it's really low. | 06:34 |
apeiron | bahaha "I can see Belgium" | 06:34 |
apeiron | .... wait wat | 06:34 |
dionak | have you been watching snl? | 06:34 |
dionak | lol | 06:34 |
apeiron | No TV for me. | 06:34 |
dionak | oh, nbc.com | 06:34 |
apeiron | It's more a choice thing than anything else. | 06:35 |
apeiron | Choice / principle. | 06:35 |
dionak | tv? | 06:35 |
apeiron | Too much conservativism / DMCA for me. | 06:35 |
apeiron | bahahaha, fox news | 06:36 |
apeiron | ++ | 06:36 |
dionak | apeiron, good to know we have something in common. an interest in us politics | 06:37 |
apeiron | You know, I used to be quite apolitical. Then I heard about net neutrality. | 06:38 |
dionak | lol | 06:41 |
apeiron | hm? | 06:41 |
dionak | net neutrality is so controversial that it can't help but motivate us geeks | 06:42 |
dionak | if it doesn't motivate us, there's something seriously wrong | 06:42 |
apeiron | Oh yes. | 06:42 |
dionak | glad it inspired you | 06:42 |
apeiron | I saw a lot of merchandise on cafepress with a slogan that says "if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention". So so so true. | 06:44 |
dionak | yea, so true. | 06:44 |
dionak | ok, i'm out. got to get some EST rest before the big day | 06:44 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:14 |
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@perlmonkey2 | howdy SDuensin | 17:07 |
SDuensin | Hey perlmonkey2 | 17:09 |
carogray | morning | 17:10 |
carogray | editor just deleted a collaboration system trying to delete a thread | 17:10 |
carogray | I can find it when I search but no other way | 17:11 |
* SDuensin is still playing with Things. | 17:11 | |
carogray | not in any directory | 17:11 |
carogray | any clues to restoring collaboration system that is still there in some form somehow? | 17:11 |
ryuu_ro | carogray: isn't it in your trashbin? | 17:12 |
carogray | not in mine and not in system | 17:12 |
ryuu_ro | hmm, that sucks | 17:12 |
carogray | you betcha | 17:12 |
carogray | wanted to go live this week | 17:12 |
carogray | I put in a login request... just thought if anyone were around now I might figure it out sooner | 17:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: any useful utility scripts I write, can they just be added to tools? | 17:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | For instance a script that changes the archive on date for all the CS's in a conf? | 17:14 |
@rizen | that's probably better to be released into the bazaar | 17:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay | 17:15 |
@rizen | not that you couldn't also put it in tools | 17:15 |
@rizen | but that one could definitely be useful to other peeps | 17:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, would be groovy for the bazaar and that's probably where people will lok first. | 17:15 |
carogray | oddly enough when I find it in search, I add the ?op=assetManager;method=manage I end up in clipboard | 17:15 |
carogray | oh! | 17:15 |
@rizen | the tools folder in svn was originally only for our release management tools | 17:15 |
carogray | check system clipboard and there it is! Hallelujah. | 17:15 |
@rizen | but it's kind of been corrupted over the years | 17:16 |
carogray | never mind | 17:16 |
ryuu_ro | carogray: good times! | 17:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen maybe a new dir for just utilities? | 17:17 |
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@rizen | perlmonkey2: when it becomes a problem, then we'll worry about it | 17:19 |
SDuensin | Hey rizen, is "Thingy" production-worthy in 7.5.31, or should I wait? | 17:21 |
@rizen | yes it is | 17:21 |
@rizen | we're using it in a few places | 17:21 |
SDuensin | Just kinda gunshy after last night. I *really* want to use it for a lot of management functions though. | 17:22 |
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@rizen | patspam are you here? | 17:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: it'd be 2:50 in the morning there | 17:50 |
@rizen | that doesn't mean anything...this is patspam we're talking about | 17:51 |
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@rizen | ok then, i have a quick poll for the devs that are here: | 17:55 |
@rizen | WebGUI::Crud's update() method requires that you pass in a hash reference of properties to set | 17:56 |
SDuensin | They all say "yes" - rename the "Advertising" icon! :-P | 17:56 |
@rizen | this hash reference is then used to update the database table and WebGUI::Crud's internal data structures | 17:56 |
@rizen | it therefore deletes any elements from the hash reference that are not part of it's definition | 17:57 |
@rizen | this could either be a bug or a feature | 17:57 |
@rizen | the other day this thing hit me because it deleted that element from my hash | 17:58 |
@rizen | the thing was, i was jury rigging something...so it basically caught me jury rigging and said "you shouldn't do that" | 17:58 |
@rizen | so from that vantage point it's a feature | 17:58 |
@rizen | on the other hand, i could make a copy of the hash reference that you pass in | 17:58 |
@rizen | which is less efficient than just using the hash reference | 17:59 |
@rizen | and then delete what i need to delete from the copy | 17:59 |
@rizen | thusly you'd never run into this problem | 17:59 |
@rizen | if we keep the first way, this will of course be documented in the pod | 17:59 |
@rizen | so my question to you is, which makes more sense? | 17:59 |
@rizen | delete from the hash ref, or copy the hash ref? | 18:00 |
@preaction | keep it how it is. if they really need to maintain the integrity of their data hashref they can make a new hashref themselves | 18:00 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8247 /tools/updateCollaborationArchiveDate.pl: New script that will update all the collab systems for a site (or all sites) to archive after a given period | 18:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8248 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: Crud create() for specific id (#9035) | 18:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8249 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: Crud create() for specific id (#9035) | 18:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8250 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Google sitemaps index added to WebGUI | 18:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8251 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: documented the deletion of elements from the properties hash ref in update() | 18:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8252 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: google site index | 18:06 |
topsub | can i get the userId from.. ^User(userId); ? | 18:12 |
@rizen | yup | 18:14 |
@rizen | i think that ^#; also does it | 18:14 |
topsub | Here is a better idea. I can put a macro call inside the sql reports right? | 18:24 |
topsub | That way i can say like where userId = ^#():? | 18:24 |
topsub | ah yep this seems like its working | 18:24 |
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elnino | good morning! I have 7.5.24, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a question on a survey with check boxes, so that people can select more than one answer. Is that possible? | 18:28 |
elnino | looking at the webgui site, this feature has seemed to be missing since 2005? | 18:32 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8253 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: Added new content handlers to WebGUI.conf.original | 18:38 |
topsub | Threw the inbox system how can i send a message to a group? | 18:41 |
@preaction | WebGUI::Mail::Send | 18:41 |
topsub | I mean is there a way by default | 18:41 |
topsub | not doing anything custom | 18:41 |
@preaction | go into the Group manager, click on a group, look for "Send an Email to group" | 18:42 |
topsub | hmm will this show up as an "inbox" item? | 18:44 |
topsub | not just email them? | 18:44 |
@preaction | not sure, try it? | 18:44 |
topsub | the private message system we want to send a message to everyone not email. | 18:44 |
topsub | hmm doesn't seem like it. that really just emails them | 18:47 |
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knowmad | rizen: want to hold this SEO conversation in realtime instead of via RFE? | 18:55 |
@rizen | for pink slips? | 18:55 |
knowmad | you're on, buddy! | 18:55 |
@rizen | i don't think that anybody uses pink slips anymore | 18:56 |
knowmad | so how do i get keywords field into the meta tags? i don't see any template variables for putting it in there | 18:56 |
@rizen | the title to my car is white paper with blue text | 18:56 |
knowmad | (that's why i was so quick to agree) | 18:56 |
@rizen | heh | 18:56 |
@rizen | you don't need template variables | 18:56 |
@rizen | just type keywords | 18:56 |
@rizen | and they automatically create a metatag in the head block | 18:57 |
elnino | rizen: i had to add: <meta etc... | 18:57 |
knowmad | oh | 18:57 |
@rizen | elnino: that's cuz you aren't using the keywords field | 18:57 |
@rizen | you're using the raw head tags field | 18:57 |
knowmad | hmm, i don't like it; seems too much like action at a distance | 18:57 |
elnino | what version puts the metatag in? | 18:57 |
knowmad | 7.5.x | 18:57 |
knowmad | i'd guess since that's when the new field was added to the metadata tab for all assets | 18:58 |
@rizen | knowmad, whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that's how it works | 18:58 |
@rizen | you said you wanted the easy way | 18:58 |
knowmad | ok, i'll take it up with template designers but it only addresses 50% of my RFE | 18:58 |
@rizen | to add keywords to the head block | 18:58 |
knowmad | LOL, you got me there | 18:58 |
@rizen | something that a normal user could do | 18:58 |
@rizen | it can't be any easier than that | 18:58 |
elnino | what about the description metatag? | 18:59 |
@rizen | the synopsis (summary) field is supposed to do that, but it doesn't appear to be working | 18:59 |
knowmad | but i'm a control freak and want to be able to place my keywords into the head block using a template variable | 18:59 |
@rizen | so that's a bug report that needs to be field | 18:59 |
@rizen | filed | 18:59 |
knowmad | oh, okay; i can do that | 18:59 |
@rizen | knowmad...then do it one of the 10 other ways that webgui allows you to do it | 18:59 |
elnino | oh. I thought the summary field was for synopis on navigation assets... | 18:59 |
knowmad | elnino: it's for that also | 19:00 |
elnino | oh. | 19:00 |
knowmad | and search results | 19:00 |
@rizen | elnino, synopsis is for many things | 19:00 |
knowmad | so why didn't I know about this behavior of keywords? | 19:01 |
@rizen | knowmad: this is why i said in the ticket that maybe we should have a chapter on SEO in the book | 19:02 |
@rizen | in the CM guide | 19:02 |
knowmad | with keywords, it's my own fault for not reading the help text | 19:02 |
elnino | that would be great. Because even the hover | 19:02 |
knowmad | I do agree about a chapter in CM Guide | 19:02 |
elnino | doesn't elude to what you say those two fields do. | 19:02 |
knowmad | actually it does for keywords but not for synopsis | 19:03 |
elnino | you;r right! =) | 19:03 |
@rizen | and as i said, synopsis is both broken and used for a lot of things | 19:03 |
@rizen | it can't possibly give you a list of all the things it's used in | 19:03 |
knowmad | but a few of the main ones wouldn't hurt ;) | 19:04 |
@rizen | knowmad: does this mean i get your pink? | 19:04 |
knowmad | no, the bug saved me | 19:05 |
elnino | knowmad - re seo. Something I brought upto tiffany, is having a | 19:05 |
elnino | separate title meta field, as opposed to using the title field on the asset. | 19:06 |
elnino | I have a really cool macro | 19:06 |
elnino | that checks to see if a title has been defined in the "extra head field" and if it exissts | 19:06 |
knowmad | yes, we're seeing similar needs | 19:06 |
elnino | it doesn't print out the title field | 19:06 |
knowmad | oh, that's interesting | 19:06 |
elnino | if one doesn't exists, it uses the asset's title | 19:06 |
elnino | I've been meaning to post it. | 19:07 |
knowmad | i could see where the Metadata tab would have an SEO section with the synopsis, title and keywords sections; if the title is not defined, it could use the Page Layout or asset title | 19:07 |
knowmad | thanks for sharing | 19:07 |
elnino | that's what I thought the metadata tab was for, only to find out it wasnt'., back in the 7.3x days. | 19:09 |
@rizen | don't confuse metadata with meta tags | 19:10 |
elnino | I know, that's what confused me.. The similarity in the name. | 19:10 |
elnino | I know now. =) | 19:10 |
elnino | I wouldn't be surprised if others got them confused. meta DATA being all that is included in the different meta TAGS. | 19:11 |
knowmad | yeah, those caught me up at first also | 19:11 |
@rizen | i wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't know what the title field is for | 19:11 |
elnino | knowmad, would you like that macro? | 19:12 |
@rizen | that's why in 7.6 you can now rename all fields and all tabs to be whatever you want them to be | 19:13 |
knowmad | elnino: thanks. i don't have a need for it now but it's good to know you've developed it | 19:13 |
knowmad | that's a nice touch | 19:13 |
knowmad | bug report added | 19:16 |
elnino | thanks knowmad | 19:16 |
elnino | I have 7.5.24, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a question on a survey with check boxes, so that people can select more than one answer. Is that possible? I could have sworn I've seen somewhere.. maybe it was in "thingy". but I need it in the survey. | 19:17 |
elnino | rizen what is the size of the keywords field? | 19:17 |
@rizen | probably 255 | 19:19 |
knowmad | rizen: i've altered the RFE to request access to the description and keywords via template variables; i've given 2 reasons why it's "a good thing" | 19:19 |
@preaction | i think it gets processed and parsed, so it might be unlimited | 19:19 |
@rizen | there isn't really a specific length because keywords aren't really stored in a single field in the database | 19:20 |
@rizen | but the form element itself might have a max length set | 19:20 |
knowmad | is there a limit in HTML specs? | 19:20 |
@rizen | knowmad: it will be rejected | 19:20 |
@preaction | no, but the <meta name="keywords"> isn't really used anymore | 19:20 |
knowmad | why? | 19:20 |
@rizen | because i disagree | 19:21 |
elnino | knowmad: there isn['t a limit in the html specs but there are recommendations of so many "terms" | 19:21 |
knowmad | that's unreasonable | 19:21 |
@rizen | i'm unreasonable | 19:21 |
knowmad | like i said... | 19:21 |
@rizen | now if you had said "synopsis" and "keywords" then i might agree | 19:21 |
@rizen | but description...not going to happen | 19:21 |
knowmad | oh, i'm saying the wrong thing | 19:22 |
knowmad | i meant synopsis | 19:22 |
elnino | keywords are used, just not as important in search engines as it was once. | 19:22 |
@rizen | you better hurry and update your RFE before i reject it then | 19:22 |
knowmad | it's the SEO stuff that, although search engines don't necessarily rely on, my clients want | 19:22 |
knowmad | going... | 19:22 |
elnino | same here. | 19:22 |
@rizen | i'm probably still going to reject it | 19:22 |
@rizen | just cuz it will make you angry | 19:23 |
elnino | if marketing thinks it's important.... | 19:23 |
@preaction | they only think it's important because they're idiots | 19:23 |
knowmad | then i'll have dionak submit | 19:23 |
elnino | preaction =) | 19:23 |
knowmad | i know you like her better anyhow | 19:23 |
@rizen | damn, i can't resist diona | 19:23 |
@rizen | =) | 19:23 |
knowmad | i knew it :) | 19:23 |
@preaction | SEO is snake-oil. if you're already following W3's guidelines on how to create accessible, proper sites then you have all the SEO you need | 19:24 |
* preaction insert counter-rhetoric here | 19:24 | |
* rizen must t-r-y to resist diona | 19:25 | |
knowmad | preaction: i generally agree; we're not selling it just accomodating the client who want to use it | 19:25 |
elnino | which rfe are you guys talking about? I only see the bug report. | 19:25 |
knowmad | #9036 | 19:26 |
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knowmad | rizen: you're getting v-e-r-y sleepy; cannot resist dionak's demands... | 19:26 |
knowmad | poof, there she is | 19:27 |
@rizen | noooooooooOOOOOOO! diona is my kryptonite | 19:27 |
dionak | hm, my ears were burning | 19:27 |
knowmad | i've threatened to put you after him if he doesn't approve my RFE (#9036) | 19:27 |
knowmad | i knew he wouldn't say no to you :) | 19:27 |
knowmad | it's lunchtime! | 19:28 |
knowmad | ttyl | 19:28 |
dionak | yea, rizen finds my voice irresistable. | 19:28 |
dionak | lol | 19:29 |
elnino | anyone know when checkboxes will be added to the survey? I"m using 7.5.24, and they aren't in there. I tried every question type. | 19:32 |
@rizen | 7.6.3 | 19:33 |
@rizen | survey is completely rewritten | 19:33 |
@rizen | and contains multi-answer types | 19:33 |
elnino | is there a way to have two instances of webgui installed? | 19:34 |
elnino | on the same server. | 19:34 |
elnino | oh. 7.6.3 sin't out yet... | 19:35 |
elnino | and if I remember correctly, 76 sn't stable until jan? | 19:36 |
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@rizen | there is a way to do it, but neither i nor any of my staff would ever tell you how to do it | 19:41 |
@rizen | because it's just a very terrible idea | 19:42 |
@rizen | yes, 7.6 will be stable in january | 19:42 |
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elnino | I won't hold you to the terrible idea.. I would like hear it, because by boss needs something now. Otherwise, we'll just use survey monkey. =( | 19:43 |
elnino | I could probably just write one.. but that would be a waste of time, since you guys rewrote it all. | 19:44 |
@rizen | elnino...seriously, i'm not going to tell you | 19:45 |
@rizen | it's so bad that i'd rather you use survey monkey | 19:45 |
@rizen | it = installing 2 webgui's on the same production server, not the new survey in 7.6 | 19:45 |
elnino | if it's installing manually and changing the default installation location (from /data).. I've done that - our product is runnign that way... and I suspect that is what you were going to tell me.... | 19:46 |
@rizen | that's not what i was going to tell you | 19:47 |
@rizen | and even if it was, i still wouldn't admit it | 19:47 |
@rizen | don't do it | 19:47 |
@rizen | you are in for a nightmare | 19:47 |
elnino | I know. | 19:47 |
elnino | and top it off, i did it on a 64 bit machine. | 19:48 |
topsub | sending message threw inbox has agroupId so that means i can send a message to everyone in a group? | 20:08 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8254 /tools/deArchiveCSPosts.pl: This script will dearchive posts for all CSs on a site from a given date. | 21:06 |
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+perlDreamer | Should the sitemap generator create a sitemap for this url: www.example.com/sitemap.xml/page2 ? | 22:12 |
@rizen | no | 22:13 |
@rizen | did frank mess up his regex? | 22:13 |
@rizen | and i believe it's siteindex.xml | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | It's just missing an anchor at the end. | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | $p =~ m/siteindex\.xml/i | 22:14 |
@rizen | you fixing or should i? | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | I'll get it. | 22:14 |
@rizen | pd i have some amazing news for you | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | You can hire me? | 22:15 |
@rizen | i discovered something (which you may have already known) | 22:15 |
@rizen | "theshawshankredemption" is exactly 22 characters | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | no way | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | That's great! | 22:15 |
@rizen | i used it as a test guid today | 22:15 |
@rizen | in crud.t | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | We have to do better than that | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | It should be the UID for the root node. | 22:15 |
@rizen | oooh | 22:15 |
@preaction | it's sitemap.xml | 22:15 |
@rizen | except...that could screw with backward compatibility | 22:16 |
@rizen | so we'll have to wait until webgui 8 to do it | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, that was a paste from the file | 22:16 |
@rizen | preaction? according to the spec on sitemaps.org? | 22:16 |
@preaction | i was reading the FAQ on google | 22:16 |
@preaction | which is a copy of http://sitemaps.org/protocol.php | 22:17 |
@rizen | it looks like khenn is a giant fuckup then =) | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | Hey now, no khenn bashing. | 22:24 |
@rizen | you know what | 22:24 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah. Nice guy. Plays second base. | 22:24 |
@rizen | we could change the parentId of the root asset to "theshawshankredemption" | 22:24 |
+perlDreamer | What a great idea! | 22:25 |
@rizen | the problem is 2 fold though | 22:25 |
+perlDreamer | but what about backwards compatibility | 22:25 |
@rizen | nothing uses the parent id of root | 22:25 |
@rizen | so it's not an issue | 22:25 |
@rizen | however | 22:25 |
@rizen | 1) shawshank's playground is supposed to be in testing, not in the rest of webgui | 22:26 |
@rizen | 2) if we start using 'theshawshankredemption' out in regular webgui, then we can't use it as a testing guid | 22:26 |
@rizen | what do you say about that mr pd? | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | Shawshank is so great it can transcend it's use as solely fodder for testing in this one instance. | 22:27 |
@rizen | see i was thinking we should use: thedarkknightisabadass | 22:28 |
@rizen | which is also 22 characters | 22:28 |
@rizen | =) | 22:28 |
@khenn | eh I had that bug fixed in one of my other 1000 copies of WebGUI. I just pasted the wrong one =p | 22:28 |
@khenn | it was pointed out during the WUC | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | whysoseriousbatmandude? | 22:29 |
@rizen | hehe | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | -whysoseriousbatman- | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | --batmandude has 24 characters. I miscounted | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | idonthaveherinmypants- | 22:30 |
@rizen | __why-so-serious-sa__ | 22:30 |
@rizen | andimgonnagiveittoem- | 22:31 |
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Bernd_ | perlDreamer, have you seen the patches for the UsersOnline macro? | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | No, Bernd_. Are they attached to the bug report? | 22:36 |
Bernd_ | Yes. There are two of them actually. | 22:36 |
Bernd_ | One is for the testing function. | 22:36 |
Bernd_ | The other is an upgrade script for creating a new profile field. | 22:36 |
Bernd_ | Let me look up the URLs... | 22:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try to have both of them done by tonight. | 22:37 |
+perlDreamer | $dayJob is keeping me very busy these days | 22:37 |
Bernd_ | Cool! | 22:37 |
Bernd_ | Me, too! | 22:37 |
Bernd_ | It is so stressful to be working again :-) | 22:37 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah | 22:38 |
Bernd_ | So it's the same on the other side of the globe? | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | Last Thursday, I worked 11 hours | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | I worked 5 more on Saturday | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | and on average, a 9-11 hours per day last week | 22:38 |
Bernd_ | And how much on Sunday? | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | I took sunday off | 22:38 |
Bernd_ | Sounds great... | 22:38 |
Bernd_ | for your employer! | 22:38 |
Bernd_ | Do you want me to pitty you? | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 22:39 |
Bernd_ | Sunday off? | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | No, I want you to hire me to work on wG full time | 22:39 |
Bernd_ | Hm, I am not sure if you would work for the salary I am able to pay. | 22:39 |
Bernd_ | What is your regular job then? | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | I design chips for batteries. | 22:40 |
Bernd_ | Chips in batteries? | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah | 22:40 |
Bernd_ | For charging? | 22:40 |
Bernd_ | Or what kind of chips? | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | They keep track of serial numbers, monitor battery safety | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | Do remaining capacity | 22:40 |
Bernd_ | Oh, you mean like notebook and cell phone batteries? | 22:40 |
Bernd_ | Does not sound too bad. | 22:41 |
Bernd_ | Deadline ahead? | 22:41 |
Bernd_ | Or what is keeping you busy? | 22:41 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: i'll offer you a job for $200k per year | 22:41 |
@rizen | but i can only hire you on a limited term contract of 1 week | 22:41 |
@rizen | =) | 22:41 |
Bernd_ | Is that a $200 000? | 22:41 |
@preaction | perlbot math 200000 / 52 | 22:42 |
perlbot | 3846.15384615385 | 22:42 |
@preaction | uh... i'll take it | 22:42 |
@rizen | in that one week i need you to accomplish a year's worth of work | 22:42 |
@rizen | do we have a deal? | 22:42 |
@preaction | oh... now he says | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: Deadline passed many weeks ago. | 22:42 |
Bernd_ | What is the equivalent of a year's work? | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | My part of the chip is finished | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | but I'm trying to help others out now | 22:43 |
@rizen | 40*52 hours | 22:43 |
Bernd_ | perlDreamer, but then time does not matter any longer! | 22:43 |
Bernd_ | I mean, once you have started postponing it... | 22:43 |
Bernd_ | you can do it again and again! | 22:43 |
Bernd_ | That is how we usually handle it :-) | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | Oh yes it does. They later the chip is, the more the bosses start yelling and swearing | 22:43 |
Bernd_ | I forgot you have a hire and fire system in the US. | 22:44 |
Bernd_ | Not going to take more of your time. | 22:44 |
Bernd_ | Need to get up early again. | 22:44 |
Bernd_ | But something else concerning all the devs: | 22:45 |
Bernd_ | Has anyone started to fix the UserList asset yet? | 22:45 |
Bernd_ | If not I will be trying to fix it during my train ride home on Friday. | 22:46 |
Bernd_ | So, anyone? | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | I don't have any plans to work on the UserList asset. You would be doing UK a favor by fixing it for them. | 22:47 |
+perlDreamer | You would do us all a favor if you rewrote it from scratch. | 22:47 |
Bernd_ | Is it so bad? | 22:48 |
@preaction | there's even a Report framework you could use to rewrite it | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think it's a question of badness, just lack of goodness. | 22:49 |
Bernd_ | One momen, I was not talking about rewriting it. | 22:49 |
Bernd_ | What is the reporting framework? | 22:49 |
Bernd_ | Can that be done in about three hours? | 22:49 |
@preaction | an experimental piece i've written, and probably not three hours, no | 22:49 |
Bernd_ | perlDreamer, that seems to be the same to me?! | 22:49 |
Bernd_ | In that case, I am only going to attempt to fix it. | 22:50 |
Bernd_ | Never mind. | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | It's probably for the best. | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | (just to fix) | 22:50 |
Bernd_ | Alright. | 22:50 |
Bernd_ | Let's see how far I can get. | 22:50 |
Bernd_ | Good night! | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | Gute Nacht | 22:50 |
nuba | i cant believe im reading this on wikipedia: "The issues of caging lists and other techniques of voter suppression which gave rise to many 2004 United States election voting controversies have not been addressed by further legislation or a regulatory crackdown, and are predicted by Greg Palast (an American BBC reporter who has investigated these controversies) to recur to the extent that they could swing the result.[11]" | 22:52 |
nuba | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2008 | 22:52 |
nuba | is that accurate? | 22:53 |
@preaction | yes | 22:53 |
@preaction | 100% accurate | 22:53 |
@preaction | 20% of the voters were purged from voter rolls in one state | 22:53 |
@preaction | (for this election i mean, not 2004) | 22:53 |
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nuba | also, am I understanding right that this election starts today and goes on for many weeks? | 22:54 |
nuba | so its not a single-day event? | 22:54 |
@preaction | no, you have until 8pm most places to vote | 22:55 |
@preaction | today | 22:55 |
@preaction | there was pre-voting, so-called "absentee ballots", but up to 50% of those are rejected for one reason or another | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | nuba, it will take a while to count and double check all the counts. | 22:55 |
@preaction | usually the losing candidate concedes the election tonight | 22:55 |
@preaction | otherwise, yes, it will take a while | 22:56 |
nuba | no electronic ballot there? | 22:56 |
+perlDreamer | unless he pouts and throws a fit and tries to overturn it in the courts | 22:56 |
@preaction | nuba, yes, some are, but those electronic ballots have proven to be unreliable (and highly inaccurate) | 22:56 |
@preaction | in fact, in one state in 04, almost 5% of the votes for Kerry were counted for Bush, which is more than the percentage bush won that state by | 22:57 |
@preaction | http://www.truthout.org/110308A <- how mccain could win | 22:57 |
nuba | I once met the guy who was responsible for the criptographic routines (signing, hashing, etc) in the brazilian electronic ballot | 22:57 |
nuba | they're in production since 2000 or so. | 22:58 |
nuba | and there were some people from the US coming over every once in a while to see how it was going | 22:58 |
nuba | so i was hoping electronic ballots would be widely used in the US by now | 22:58 |
@Haarg | i don't really see the advantage to purely electronic voting | 22:59 |
nuba | its been working fine here, and there are some international entities who audit the process | 22:59 |
@preaction | i don't think the majority of the US has cared about democracy in a very long time | 22:59 |
apeiron | Ideally, electronic voting saves time. Ideally. | 22:59 |
@preaction | ha! international oversight is something we would NEVER accept | 22:59 |
@preaction | but it IS something that we NEED | 23:00 |
@tavisto | interesting how the controversies on that wikipedia page only include the incorrect purging of voters.. I wonder why it doesn't mention anything about registering new false voters as that's clearly a controversy as well. | 23:00 |
@preaction | tavisto, registering new false voters doesn't matter, as they can't vote | 23:00 |
@preaction | purging existing voters is a problem, since they can't vote | 23:01 |
@tavisto | I'm aware preaction, but false votes can easily be tallied when they're pooled into provisional vote pools | 23:02 |
nuba | oh just to clarify, international entities dont have sovereignity over the election process, they're just invited as independent auditors | 23:02 |
@tavisto | why do you think there was so much stink about the ACORN deal. If the votes had no chance of counting then it would make no sense to pull off the fraud. | 23:02 |
@preaction | provisional ballots don't get counted, even provisional ballots from legitimate people | 23:03 |
@Haarg | i don't really think electronic voting is much faster than a well designed ballot | 23:03 |
nuba | preaction: (im unsure if by oversight you mean having authority over the process) | 23:03 |
@preaction | nuba, i just mean auditing | 23:03 |
nuba | okay | 23:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8255 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/SiteIndex.pm: anchor the URL for checking whether or not to generate a sitemap | 23:03 |
@tavisto | I think WebGUI should be used for all voting machines | 23:03 |
nuba | hah! then by unknown reasons it turns out a guy named JT was elected.... | 23:04 |
@tavisto | Preaction, provisional ballots are counted but just not until a few days after the election night | 23:05 |
@tavisto | so if the race is too close based on regular eligible votes then these very much affect the election. | 23:05 |
@preaction | "The great unreported story of the 2004 election was that there were more than three million voters shunted to provisional ballots. Over a million (1,090,000) were never counted, just chucked in the dumpster." | 23:06 |
@tavisto | The scary thing is for the system is that the provisional votes cast really lack good methods of scrutiny and verification. According to both sides | 23:06 |
@Haarg | that's not really important preaction | 23:06 |
@Haarg | the reason they aren't counted is because they couldn't effect the outcome | 23:07 |
@preaction | uh... those were in battleground states where kerry lost by a small margin | 23:07 |
@preaction | anyway, instead of pontificating here, i'm going to go vote | 23:08 |
@tavisto | Yep, there were tons of votes that were tossed in 2004. If I remember right there were tons of ineligible votes for various reasons. It happens in every election. I'm not saying it's right and I'd like to see a better system. | 23:08 |
@Haarg | there are lots of other problems with the voting process | 23:09 |
@tavisto | absolutely. It's one big mess. | 23:10 |
@preaction | indeed, too much partisan play on both sides | 23:10 |
@tavisto | absolutely | 23:11 |
@preaction | which is why independant international oversight / auditing would benefit us immensely | 23:11 |
@preaction | in addition to spending money on better equipment | 23:11 |
@preaction | this won't happen, because partisan politics likes the fuzzy system | 23:11 |
@Haarg | the equipment doesn't even need to be very complex | 23:11 |
@tavisto | we need more prominent parties too. I'm tired of this left/right game. | 23:12 |
@rizen | i think the voting system should just be done away with and instead the "let JT decide" initiative should be enacted | 23:12 |
@Haarg | we'd probably need to get rid of plurality voting before third parties become viable | 23:13 |
@tavisto | I'd like to see the constitution party grow more. (and some other parties) | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | Party at Tavisto's house | 23:16 |
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@tavisto | sure, I have the campaign HQ party this year in my big ole' home theater | 23:16 |
@rizen | tavis, you're kidding, right? | 23:17 |
@rizen | about the constitution party? | 23:17 |
@rizen | the constitution party is the equivalent of the christian taliban | 23:18 |
@rizen | they want to do away with the democracy and replace it with a government rooted in biblical law | 23:19 |
nuba | sounds good. | 23:20 |
@tavisto | no, actually I'm not kidding. But that's quite a slant you are putting to it. | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | that's not what wikipedia says about it | 23:20 |
nuba | whipping the wrongdoers? stoning them to death? AWESOME! ;) | 23:20 |
@tavisto | As any political platform expands into the mainstream it gets broader and a bit more mild | 23:20 |
@rizen | it say's that right on their web site | 23:21 |
@rizen | they want a theocracy | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | links? | 23:21 |
@rizen | http://www.constitutionparty.com/ | 23:21 |
@rizen | It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations. | 23:21 |
@rizen | QUOTE FROM THEIR SITE | 23:21 |
@tavisto | but I like several of their core values so I'd like to see them continue to grow. | 23:21 |
@rizen | oops, sorry about the big letters | 23:21 |
nuba | well, i guess core values rooted on christianism is something very agreeable | 23:22 |
@tavisto | if you would read more into this and not jump to your 'Religilous' type response, you'd see they aren't as you're making them out to be. But they are definitely way more conservative than you'll ever vote. | 23:23 |
nuba | another thing is having that enforced on you | 23:23 |
@rizen | agreeable to whom? religion is hate speech. (not talking about belief in god, talking about organized religion) | 23:23 |
@tavisto | The proper and lawful division of governmental authority among the Federal, State and local governments was an arrangement that the Founders rightly saw as necessary to preserving freedom and justice. Only after that federal, constitutional order is restored to its proper balance can we reverse America's slide into lawlessness, corruption and tyranny. | 23:23 |
@tavisto | The Constitution Party is the only party which is completely pro-life, pro-gun, pro-American sovereignty and independence, and in favor of a strong national defense. It is also the only party that is anti-globalist, anti-free trade, anti-deindustrialization, and anti-unchecked immigration. We also oppose special rights for homosexuals, the constantly increasing expansion of unlawful police laws,and both foreign aid and milita | 23:23 |
nuba | rizen: i like the "be nice to your neighbour" thingy | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | Love your neighbor | 23:23 |
nuba | leave his wife alone | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | Take care of the widow and the orphan | 23:23 |
nuba | dont take his lawnmower without asking | 23:23 |
nuba | that kind of thing | 23:23 |
@tavisto | yep, loving your neighbor is exactly the right phrase. And that's biblical baby. | 23:24 |
@rizen | you want to make love with my neighbor | 23:24 |
@rizen | i can tell you he's not that way | 23:24 |
@tavisto | I dont see the word "make" in my sentence above. | 23:25 |
@rizen | hehe | 23:26 |
@tavisto | But more parties competing in our elections and in our government would be a good thing. | 23:26 |
@rizen | first 2 sentences from their party platform: The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States. | 23:27 |
@rizen | tell me they don't want a theocracy | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | If Obama says that during the national prayer breakfast, I'm going to call you on it ;) | 23:27 |
@rizen | second paragraph: This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here. | 23:27 |
@rizen | tell me they wouldn't engage in crusades | 23:27 |
nuba | its a pattern, tho, that once a economic crisis sets in, people's political views swing towards, well, not very friendly parties | 23:28 |
nuba | like Germany | 23:28 |
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nuba | Italy | 23:28 |
nuba | did | 23:28 |
@tavisto | Exaggeration on your part. You know Christianity and Jesus are deeply rooted in the founding of our country. And since you don't believe it sounds extreme to you. | 23:29 |
@rizen | They actually aren't deeply rooted in the founding of our country. Certainly religious freedom is. But many of the founding fathers were athiests | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | Given how we're arguing about religion, this seems ironic: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081104/wl_nm/us_religion_dialogue | 23:32 |
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nuba | well, christian values pretty much percolated thru the building of our western civilization | 23:33 |
nuba | in south and central america there's still plenty of mix between religion and state | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | I'm not sure rizen objects to christian values, just to theocratic extremes and religious prejudice | 23:34 |
@rizen | i don't at all object to christian values | 23:34 |
@rizen | or muslim values | 23:34 |
@rizen | or Buddhist values | 23:34 |
@rizen | values are a good thing | 23:35 |
@rizen | morality is a good thing | 23:35 |
@rizen | extremism, in any form, is a bad thing | 23:35 |
@rizen | hate is a bad thing | 23:35 |
@rizen | war is a bad thing | 23:35 |
@rizen | intollerance is a bad thing | 23:35 |
nuba | im uneducated about other religions' values, but I can assume they pretty much contribute to their follower's growth and I suppose at the core they're all good in providing guidelines | 23:35 |
@rizen | for the average person, i'm certain that belief in a deity helps them through the tough times | 23:36 |
@rizen | but i also know that the zealots that are in power of religious organizations | 23:37 |
@rizen | often abuse their power | 23:37 |
@rizen | and their followers often follow blindly | 23:37 |
@rizen | it's true of both religion and politics | 23:37 |
@rizen | because, as i see it, they are the same | 23:37 |
nuba | that could be said of sports fanatics to some extent, too | 23:38 |
nuba | the masses | 23:38 |
nuba | some people know how to play 'em | 23:38 |
@tavisto | I think that's a load of crap. While you might see that on a black/white level | 23:38 |
nuba | and these are dangerous guys | 23:38 |
@tavisto | my relationship with Jesus and God is not followed blindly and it surely isn't something on a level as my political beliefs. | 23:39 |
juan | i have the next error when i run the next job Send Queued Email Messages Every 5 Minutes | 23:40 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m33109496 | 23:40 |
juan | so i have many email stored in my database | 23:40 |
nuba | oops. a on-topic issue! dammit. just when religious debate was about to get interesting!... ;) | 23:40 |
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@preaction | if a workflow is undefined, it might mean the workflow is disabled | 23:42 |
elnino | preaction: registering false voters DOES matter - they don't do checking afterwards, nor do they tie the ballot to a person, so they can't throw the vote out if they find out that it was an illegal vote. It gets counted! | 23:43 |
juan | the workflow is enabled | 23:43 |
@preaction | elnino, i'm just saying that the person has to show a photo ID at the polling place, you can't just register and have a vote count, you have to have a person to vote | 23:44 |
@preaction | there is the mail-in / provisional thing as well, yes | 23:44 |
@preaction | both of those loopholes need to be closed. both to count bad votes or to deny good ones | 23:45 |
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@rizen | tavisto: i said nothing about your relationship with god | 23:45 |
@rizen | i was talking about your relationship with your religion | 23:45 |
@rizen | they are two different things | 23:45 |
@preaction | i would say, like the criminal justice system, if we have to choose, it's better to let bad votes in than to let good votes die | 23:45 |
elnino | I dont' want international oversight on our voting. What the international want is not necessarily good for US. - just a little late in this non-webgui related conversation- go vote if you haven't! | 23:45 |
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@tavisto | Rizen, we dont need to repeat this debate considering you and I have a history of like 15 years of doing it. | 23:49 |
@tavisto | Just realize, you're wrong, go to church blindly and be a sheep as you suggest, and join the constitutional party. The world will be a better place. Amen | 23:50 |
@tavisto | Oooh and release the new matrix so I can get more ad money. Amen | 23:51 |
elnino | I don't know. Our govenement was build with checks and balances in it. With a democratic majority in the house and senate, it only makes sense to have a republican in place for the "check and balance" The majority of the "work" of the governement is done in congress. | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah, new Matrix | 23:51 |
@tavisto | ooh and I want a pony. amen | 23:51 |
elnino | preaction - yes, ID should be shown, that would help. I"m still catching up on the thread =) | 23:52 |
elnino | there is a lot to be improved upon, but the system was designed very well - kudo to our founding fathers. | 23:53 |
* preaction going voting | 23:53 | |
@rizen | tavisto: just agree that religion must die for humanity to survive and i'll buy you a pony and release matrix 2.0. =) | 23:53 |
@tavisto | humanity won't survive. There's an end to it. And then there could be more depending on the choices you make while you (and it) is here. | 23:55 |
@tavisto | But maybe perldreamer would agree to that so we can get the new matrix. | 23:56 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol, I have an i18n bug for you to fix | 00:00 |
BartJol | for me? | 00:00 |
BartJol | ok | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | I keep getting your vacation email notice in Dutch | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | It needs to do an IP check on the respondant and send them an appropriately i18n'ed message ;) | 00:01 |
BartJol | strange, mormally it is send only once | 00:01 |
BartJol | :) | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | Yes, once per vacation. | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | That means twice in 3 months | 00:01 |
BartJol | you donn't wanna know that I'm free? | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | Free? | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | Like no cost? | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | or not working? | 00:02 |
BartJol | not working | 00:02 |
BartJol | normally I'm not that expensive | 00:02 |
BartJol | depends on the job | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | I might need a low-cost website design. You interested? | 00:03 |
BartJol | if you want it to be visible it was cheap, I might be you man | 00:03 |
BartJol | depends also whther you arrange it via ProcoliX or not | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | Koen will charge me karma for it, so might be best to work with you directly ;) | 00:04 |
* perlDreamer heads to the showers, bbl | 00:05 | |
BartJol | so you have plenty of time and want a really ugly design? | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | ugly design? I thought you were a designer who became a programmer? | 00:05 |
BartJol | no a translator | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 00:06 |
BartJol | but I have designed a website | 00:06 |
BartJol | and my own: www.bartjol.nl and webgui.bartjol.nl | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | dude, you have hair in that picture! | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | ok, I'm really going to the showers now | 00:07 |
@rizen | ok need opinion quick from devs that are here | 00:10 |
@rizen | i'm thinking about rewriting the SyndicatedContent asset this weekend | 00:10 |
@rizen | just for something to do | 00:10 |
@rizen | and i'm trying to decide between two modules: | 00:11 |
@rizen | http://search.cpan.org/~kawasaki/XML-FeedPP-0.36/lib/XML/FeedPP.pm | 00:11 |
@rizen | http://search.cpan.org/~simonw/XML-Feed-0.23/lib/XML/Feed.pm | 00:11 |
@rizen | the first is a pure perl version | 00:11 |
@rizen | the second relies on a dozen or so other libraries | 00:11 |
@rizen | the first is slower than the second, not that it really matters for our purposes | 00:12 |
BartJol | mmm, I'm not dev enough, but I do have a night of election news to go | 00:12 |
@rizen | the first is a self contained, small module, the second is enormous | 00:12 |
@rizen | the second may be more standards compliant, because it's built on the shoulders of giants | 00:12 |
@rizen | they both seem equally easy to use | 00:13 |
@rizen | both support RSS 2, 1, .9 | 00:13 |
@rizen | both support Atom feeds | 00:13 |
@rizen | the programmer in me tells me to use the one that uses a billion modules | 00:13 |
@rizen | the sys admin in me tells me to use the pure perl one because it will use a lot less memory | 00:14 |
@preaction | which of those dozen do we already use? | 00:14 |
@rizen | we use about 1/3 of the dozen | 00:14 |
@rizen | maybe as much as 1/2 | 00:14 |
@rizen | but certainly not more than that | 00:14 |
@Haarg | XML::Atom doesn't want to install for me | 00:15 |
@rizen | i got both to install | 00:16 |
@rizen | however XML::Atom does look like a pile | 00:16 |
@rizen | any thoughts, opinions, scathing rebuttle? | 00:17 |
@preaction | heh, simonw just uploaded XML::Feed 0.3 :: [16:17] * CPAN2 upload: XML-Feed-0.3 by SIMONW | 00:17 |
@rizen | oh and the reason i'm talking about using these two because they both have a super sweet way of merging feeds | 00:18 |
@preaction | depending on the amount used, most likely the XML::Feed will be more advantageous than the PP one | 00:18 |
@rizen | and because they both support both RSS and Atom | 00:18 |
@preaction | er.. amount of memory used | 00:18 |
@preaction | do those modules also generate feeds? | 00:19 |
@rizen | i guess i could write a script that tries them both out and see how big the memory difference is | 00:19 |
@rizen | yes | 00:19 |
@preaction | so whichever wins we can remove some of the other RSS modules once we create the RSSCapable aspect | 00:19 |
@preaction | so the total memory use might remain the same with the bigger one | 00:20 |
@rizen | yes | 00:20 |
@rizen | we'll be removing all the other RSS modules | 00:20 |
@rizen | but that has nothing to do with which one we choose | 00:20 |
@rizen | or at least shouldn't | 00:21 |
@rizen | i'm going to quickly write a script for each | 00:21 |
@rizen | and see how they do | 00:21 |
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@rizen | ok so XML::Feed is 25% larger than XML::FeedPP | 00:32 |
@rizen | i suppose i should factor out perl's memory usage before i give that percentage | 00:32 |
@rizen | hold please | 00:32 |
@rizen | ok on a simple script XML::Feed is 30% larger than FeedPP | 00:34 |
@rizen | however | 00:35 |
@rizen | XML::Feed lazyloads it's prereqs | 00:35 |
@rizen | which means that in practice it will get bigger | 00:35 |
@Haarg | XML::Feed also monkey patches XML::Atom | 00:35 |
@rizen | XML::Feed appears to be a good module...but unfortunately it's prereq libraries are pretty terrible | 00:36 |
@rizen | ok from this overwhelming response, i'm going with XML::FeedPP | 00:37 |
@preaction | how much slower is it? just a bit or quite a bit? | 00:37 |
@rizen | both Haarg and I are leaning that way, and it appears to just be better | 00:37 |
@rizen | not noticably | 00:38 |
@rizen | both scripts run in under a second | 00:38 |
@rizen | the reason i said it would be slower is simply because it's pure perl | 00:38 |
@preaction | good enough for me then | 00:38 |
@rizen | but i'll do a Time::HiRes check on them both right now | 00:38 |
@rizen | to see | 00:38 |
@preaction | use Benchmark instead? | 00:38 |
@preaction | it's easier, imho | 00:38 |
voteobama | How large is the test data set, though? | 00:39 |
@rizen | ok at least on a quick test the pp one is nearly half a second faster | 00:43 |
@preaction | should the syndicated content asset be checking for cache integrity? as in, if the cache returns a bad object, the syndicated content asset dies (and takes the rest of the page with it) | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | how about if it just logs a message and sends an email to doug@plainblack.com instead? | 00:45 |
@preaction | are you threatening me? i'll have your head for this! | 00:45 |
@rizen | XML::Feed time: 0.236068 | 00:45 |
@rizen | XML::FeedPP time: 0.052435 | 00:46 |
@rizen | that's after taking network out of it | 00:46 |
@preaction | dear jesus | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | Has anyone rated the two modules on CPAN? | 00:46 |
@rizen | just loading the file from the filesystem | 00:46 |
@rizen | both are rated | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | Are there bugs logged against them that are regularly fixed? | 00:46 |
@rizen | both have open bugs | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | Tests suites? CPAN smoke results? | 00:47 |
@rizen | both see regular fixes | 00:47 |
@rizen | though PP is fixed more regularly | 00:47 |
@rizen | but it's also newer | 00:47 |
@rizen | so that's to be expected | 00:47 |
@rizen | both have nice test suites | 00:48 |
@preaction | i put my vote in for XML::FeedPP | 00:48 |
@rizen | though PP has way more tests | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | XML::FeedPP++ | 00:48 |
@preaction | well, it also handles more internally, as opposed to relying on external modules (which have their own test suites) | 00:48 |
@rizen | both pass on over 20 systems | 00:48 |
@rizen | true preaction | 00:49 |
@rizen | ok XML::FeedPP it is | 00:49 |
@rizen | seems to have votes from everyone who has chimed in | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | 9 devs in the room | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | 3 votes | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | 33% turnout | 00:50 |
@preaction | 4 | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | 4? | 00:50 |
@preaction | my vote counts damnit | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, perlDreamer, preaction and... | 00:50 |
@preaction | rizen, haarg, perlDreamer, preaction | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | 4/9 is 44% turnout | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | (sorry, Haarg) | 00:51 |
@preaction | that's not bad | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | Let's hope the American voters do better | 00:51 |
@preaction | probably better than today's national election | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we should require a double majority | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | that would get people to turn out for the presidential election | 00:52 |
@preaction | not really. you can't make people care | 00:52 |
BartJol | I would vote, but they don't let me... | 00:53 |
@preaction | conscript armies have never worked | 00:53 |
@preaction | BartJol, you could fill out a provisional ballot, just don't expect it to get counted | 00:53 |
BartJol | mmm, my friend that would come by an hour ago isn't here yet | 00:53 |
BartJol | or he's drunk, or doesn't understand how my doorbell works (we have 1 downstairs and one at our front door on the 11th) | 00:54 |
@rizen | BartJol, I voted on your behalf | 00:54 |
BartJol | ah | 00:55 |
BartJol | thanks | 00:55 |
@rizen | instead of casting my ballot for me, which is what i would have done, i cast it for who you wanted to vote for | 00:55 |
@rizen | =) | 00:55 |
BartJol | and, was it the vaginal douche or the turd sandwich? | 00:55 |
@rizen | the vaginal douche of course | 00:56 |
@preaction | the people have spoken, and we want four more years of Douchebag! | 00:56 |
@rizen | at least it will be clean when we're done | 00:56 |
BartJol | ah, who do I want to vote for? | 00:56 |
@rizen | BartJol, when you were here I'm pretty sure you said Obama. | 00:56 |
@rizen | XML::FeedPP is so damn cool that I think the whole Syndicated Content asset could be written in about 1/4 the code | 00:57 |
BartJol | rizen: ok your memory is ok | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | with tests? | 00:58 |
@rizen | no the tests would take a bit more...but not much | 00:59 |
@rizen | since the module itself is doing most of the work | 01:00 |
@rizen | not many tests would have to be written | 01:00 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8261 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetLineage.pm Cache/Database.pm Operation/Friends.pm): fix lineage cache clearing, syntax warning, db cache storable usage | 01:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8262 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: not allowed to add calendar events if in can edit group but not can add event group | 01:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8263 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/view.t: update Gallery Photo test to reflect proper template variables | 01:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8264 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/DataTable.t: fix DataTable test | 01:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8265 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.2 release | 01:07 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: Do you want me to fix the naming problem with SiteIndex, too? | 01:28 |
@rizen | sure | 01:29 |
@rizen | although graham is in mid-release right now i think | 01:29 |
@Haarg | just a sec | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, it might be better if you fix it yourself then. | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | It's one less untracked/off time commit | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | Because I don't think we should release it when it doesn't work right | 01:30 |
@Haarg | release is already done though | 01:30 |
@Haarg | what is the issue? | 01:30 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: that's what betas are for | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | Naming problem with Content/SiteIndex.pm | 01:31 |
@rizen | pd it will go into the next release | 01:31 |
@rizen | your fix i mean | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | s/siteindex/sitemap/; | 01:31 |
@rizen | he's already got the release done | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 01:31 |
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BartJol | strange, updat gives an error that it failed, but it did work | 01:44 |
BartJol | www_bartjol_nl 7.6.1-7.6.2 | 01:45 |
BartJol | Backing up www_bartjol_nl (7.6.1)...OK | 01:45 |
BartJol | Correcting the Manage Workflow link in configuration file... DONE! | 01:45 |
BartJol | Adding a pre-text property to Thingy fields... DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate column name 'pretext' at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 137. | 01:45 |
BartJol | <h1>Problem With Request</h1> | 01:45 |
BartJol | We have encountered a problem with your request. Please use your back button and try again. | 01:45 |
BartJol | If this problem persists, please contact us with what you were trying to do and the time and date of the problem.<br /><br />Bart Jol<br />bart@bartjol.nl<br />http://www.bartjol.nlLabel not found for "last WEBGUI_FATAL" at ../lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 235. | 01:45 |
BartJol | Processing upgrade executable failed! | 01:45 |
BartJol | The upgrade process failed and has stopped so you can either restore | 01:45 |
BartJol | from backup, or attempt to fix the problem and continue. | 01:45 |
BartJol | oops | 01:45 |
@tavisto | I noticed that google sitemap was added in 7.6.2. Is this configurable through an interface? | 01:46 |
@tavisto | er siteindex | 01:46 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8266 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.2-beta: Release 7.6.2-beta | 01:49 |
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BartJol | mmm it first went through the same process for the same site and then it was ok | 01:51 |
@rizen | tavisto: no, it's just auto generated | 01:51 |
@rizen | it may eventually be turned into an asset | 01:51 |
BartJol | ah, it sees 2 config files | 01:52 |
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@tavisto | ah okay, so it just takes the pages in the site and formats them to be included in the site index automatically? | 01:59 |
@tavisto | for instance if I have a site with 30 pages, how does it know which pages to include or does it include them all by default? | 02:00 |
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elnino | when I submit a request using a dataform shouldn't I recieve an acknowledgement email? | 02:08 |
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@preaction | only if you're in the to, cc, or bcc field | 02:11 |
elnino | i'm in the "from"... and there is a template for "achknowledgement" - OH. I guess that isn't an ackknowledgement email template. my bad. Sounds like a good rfe. I'll post one. =) | 02:16 |
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@rizen | BartJol: sarah says *kiss* | 03:19 |
@rizen | tavisto: sorry i didn't get back to you | 03:20 |
@rizen | it puts in all pages that are visible by "Everybody" | 03:20 |
BartJol | rizen: thanks | 03:20 |
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SDuensin | Evening. | 03:28 |
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Radix-wrk | Hmm.. I need to create a webgui group that consists of all the users in an existing group that don't have the user profile flag 'opt out from mailing list' checked. | 03:45 |
@preaction | build it from an SQL query perhaps? | 03:45 |
Radix-wrk | yeah, that's what I was thinking.. was going to ask if that was going to work | 03:46 |
Radix-wrk | then I can use the email all users in this group option to send update emails to those users | 03:46 |
@preaction | should work | 03:46 |
Radix-wrk | okey.. just need to work on the sql query then | 03:47 |
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Radix-wrk | thanks preaction.. just needed confirmation from someone that I was down the right track :) | 03:48 |
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Radix-wrk | okey.. this _seems_ to work.. but the numbers of optouts don't add up.. so I'm definitely missing something.. anyone care to check my sql syntax? | 04:16 |
Radix-wrk | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m281bef74 | 04:17 |
@preaction | Radix-wrk, what about when that column IS NULL? | 04:18 |
Radix-wrk | shouldn't c.fieldData<>1 cater for that? | 04:19 |
@preaction | no | 04:19 |
Radix-wrk | Oh.. there goes my logic then | 04:19 |
@preaction | it's a quirk with NULL in MySQL | 04:19 |
@preaction | essentially, any test against NULL is false | 04:20 |
@preaction | except for "IS NULL" | 04:20 |
Radix-wrk | so what's the check in sql - 'c.fieldData=0 or c.fieldData is null' | 04:20 |
@preaction | try it, it sounds like it should work | 04:20 |
Radix-wrk | add some parens and it works a treat.. sweet.. returned 4503 rows | 04:21 |
Radix-wrk | cheers.. didn't know the gotcha with nulls | 04:22 |
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Radix-wrk | Hmm.. how often does the 'User Count' change in the group list for sql groups? | 04:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8267 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Added 2 new convenience Operators: IsEmpty and IsNotEmpty | 04:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8268 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Add new report table (and sql file), and the survey now does reporting. | 04:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8269 /branch/WebGUI_flux/Survey.sql: Added missing field to db schema: groupToEditSurvey | 04:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8270 /branch/WebGUI_flux/survey_templates.wgpkg: Individual templates probably don't need to be enabled as individual packages | 04:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8271 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Flux/Rule.pm t/Flux/Rule.t): | 04:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Squashed a bug where Flux wouldn't update dateRuleFirstTrue for a rule that was previously false | 04:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added a test case to explicitly test this for future regressions. | 04:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8272 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Crypt/Crypt.t: Improved WebGUI::Crypt tests | 04:48 |
@preaction | Radix-wrk, there's a "cache groups for how long" setting in the group configuration, that's how often | 04:49 |
Radix-wrk | but that indicates how long it's been cached for, no? | 04:50 |
Radix-wrk | at the moment my new groups say 0 | 04:50 |
@preaction | oh, SQL groups don't have any real members | 04:50 |
Radix-wrk | so wondering if the sql got mangled somehow in the group | 04:51 |
@preaction | a person's membership is calculated as necessary | 04:51 |
Radix-wrk | Any way I can test to see if it's working? | 04:51 |
@preaction | make a group that has you and only you and try to send an e-mail to it? | 04:51 |
@preaction | or use the "emailOverride" setting in the config to make sure only you get the e-mails? | 04:51 |
Radix-wrk | Hmm.. | 04:52 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8273 /Too many paths: Merge branch '7.6.2-beta' into flux | 06:47 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8274 /branch/WebGUI_flux/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Merge branch 'survey2' into flux | 06:47 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8275 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/SiteIndex.pm: correct sitemap name in site index generator | 06:47 |
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Radix-wrk | Congratulations President Obama - 44th President of the USA | 06:53 |
@perlmonkey2 | Holy crap this is an incredible night. | 07:01 |
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+perlDreamer | whoa, where did everyone go | 07:19 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8276 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 07:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add the profile field needed by the UsersOnline macro. | 07:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Internationalized the profile field label. | 07:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8277 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Macro/UsersOnline.t): Update the UsersOnline test so that all tests pass. | 07:21 |
Radix-wrk | hey PD | 07:21 |
Radix-wrk | A black skinny kid with a funny name is now President of the USA :) | 07:22 |
@preaction | amen to that | 07:23 |
Radix-wrk | Both very good speeches tho.. from McCain and Obama | 07:23 |
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Radix-wrk | HAHAHA - http://www.flickr.com/photos/meghanplowman/3004092303/in/pool-perth_photo | 08:56 |
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nuba | what? hussein is the new US president? didnt they kill the guy for hiding WMD in somewherekistan? | 14:53 |
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@tavisto | let me say that the new YUI tabs are damn sexy. Excellent job guys | 17:29 |
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ckotil | Is there a good way to see which user trashed an asset? | 18:24 |
@preaction | the stateChangedBy field in the assets table i think | 18:25 |
ckotil | ok. ive already restored it tho. so that info is probably gone now?> | 18:25 |
@Haarg | it will be in the assetHistory table | 18:27 |
ckotil | ok nice. | 18:28 |
ckotil | thanks | 18:28 |
ckotil | that is a very useful table. | 18:31 |
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+perlDreamer | Smoke tests didn't run on webgui.org last night. | 18:55 |
@rizen | that's cuz preaction is a bad girl | 18:58 |
@preaction | says who/ | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | preaction has mongo cojones, senor | 18:59 |
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+perlDreamer | and the world's only WebGUI tie | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | chicks dig the tie | 18:59 |
@preaction | my smoke tests got run, what happened to yours, rizen? | 18:59 |
@rizen | what do you mean mine? | 19:00 |
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@rizen | yours are the ones that are supposed to do everything now | 19:00 |
@preaction | ah | 19:00 |
@preaction | doesnt do the nightly build though | 19:00 |
@rizen | what does your do then? | 19:00 |
@rizen | what's the point of running an extra box if it's not on the current svn head? | 19:01 |
@preaction | it is, it runs tests against SVN Head, and it could do the nightly build and upload it to plainblack.com | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | they ran yesterday before the upgrade | 19:01 |
@preaction | it also tests against the old stable branch | 19:01 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, the SVN smoke test says that there is an error in test #8 of the syntax check test. | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | I can't duplicate that | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | Could you run it by hand and post what's up? | 19:27 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, when you installed WebGUI on your Fedora laptop, which release did you use? | 20:00 |
@tavisto | of RHEL, the latest? | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | Fedora 9. I don't use RHEL. | 20:01 |
@tavisto | yeah but when you installed WebGUI I mean, what version of the WRE did you use | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | No WRE | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | source install | 20:01 |
@tavisto | oh poop | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | Just like Mom used to do it. | 20:01 |
@tavisto | well you are no help to me | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | I know y'all love the WRE, but if you want to get into the distributions you'll need to get used to native installs | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | What's the problem that you're having? | 20:02 |
@tavisto | there are platform specific notes in the WRE install but I was asked what WRE build someone should use if they're installing on Fedora | 20:02 |
@tavisto | and I don't think I've been asked that before. | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | RHEL 5 | 20:02 |
@tavisto | I did see your email about how there are only 12 modules missing or outdated for WebGUI | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, but that's for a native install | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | I think that RHEL 5 is compatible with Fedora 9 | 20:03 |
@tavisto | that's great news and I have an email from JT with the contact of a guy who volunteered to work on that. Need to send a followup email | 20:03 |
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@tavisto | alright, I'll include that in my response then | 20:03 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, "my" variable $q1 masks earlier declaration in same scope at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/POE/Component/IKC/Server.pm line 807. | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, preaction | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | I didn't anticipate that it would be a requirement | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | but as long as all else is well :) | 20:04 |
@preaction | i'm updating that module now | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, in case I haven't said it lately, thank you for setting up and maintaining that test server | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | I know it's been a royal pain sometimes | 20:06 |
@Haarg | i guess that's something i didn't anticipate with the syntax check changes | 20:13 |
@Haarg | If it comes up again in the future I'll have to add a filter so it only pays attension to compile warnings in our modules | 20:14 |
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@rizen | if i have to choose between getting into distros or using the wre, i think i choose wre | 20:24 |
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SDuensin | WRE! | 20:26 |
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@tavisto | JT had a typo.. he meant getting into the Discos. He's a dance machine | 20:29 |
@tavisto | does a mean worm for sure | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | 8 billion debian users can't be all wrong | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | except for not using Fedora | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop: postcards should be mailed tomorrow | 20:31 |
@bopbop | great, thanks perldreamer! I appreciate your help. | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'm "inviting" Peter and Tim to write one as well | 20:31 |
@bopbop | oh, Brennan will like that :) | 20:31 |
SDuensin | Go go Debian & Gang! I run my empire with Ubuntu. | 20:32 |
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knowmad | has anyone noticed that the tabs in data form are no longer movable? | 21:50 |
knowmad | i've got a demo site that exhibits this behavior -- http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1225914329_522/home/untitled-data-form | 21:51 |
knowmad | try moving tab1 to tab2; looks like it works but then refresh the page and it's back the way it was | 21:51 |
knowmad | filing a bug report | 21:51 |
metanil | how do we specify a default template for a particular asset? | 21:53 |
@rizen | metanil, you have to create a prototype | 21:54 |
knowmad | use a prototype | 21:54 |
@rizen | or in 7.6 you can override the default in the config file | 21:54 |
knowmad | dang, beat me to the punch | 21:54 |
metanil | :o | 21:54 |
metanil | prototype? | 21:54 |
@rizen | metadata tab of the asset | 21:55 |
metanil | i didn't really get it rizen (sorry about that). | 21:57 |
@rizen | step 1 | 21:57 |
@rizen | add the asset that you want to add | 21:57 |
@rizen | from the new content menu | 21:57 |
@rizen | step 2 | 21:57 |
@rizen | go to the metadata tab | 21:57 |
@rizen | step 3 | 21:57 |
@rizen | set "yes" on "make prototype?" | 21:57 |
@rizen | step 4 | 21:57 |
@rizen | click "save" | 21:58 |
@rizen | now you have a prototype | 21:58 |
metanil | I am creating asset by $asset->addChild({classname=>"WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder"............}): | 22:00 |
@rizen | oh | 22:01 |
@rizen | sorry, thought you were "using" webgui | 22:01 |
@rizen | you're programming | 22:01 |
@rizen | so if you want to set a template then you find out what the field is called | 22:01 |
@rizen | look in the definition of the asset | 22:01 |
@rizen | the default one is usually called templateId | 22:01 |
metanil | oh .. i see. | 22:02 |
metanil | like this one defaultValue => 'PBtmpl0000000000000078', namespace=>'Folder', | 22:03 |
@rizen | yup | 22:03 |
@rizen | so you can leave it that if you like | 22:03 |
@rizen | or you can override it | 22:03 |
@rizen | in addChild() | 22:03 |
metanil | rizen, this will only apply during the creation of asset, if i somehow changed in manually to different, then it doesn't matter. | 22:04 |
metanil | i manual change will override this default one.. (obviously). :) | 22:04 |
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BartJo1 | so 7.6.2 is dutch, mmm, starnge way to spend my vacation | 22:35 |
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+perlDreamer | Michael Crichton is dead | 22:51 |
BartJo1 | ah, is that the influence of Obama, or is Bush making some final statements? | 22:52 |
+perlDreamer | I think it was some alien nano-virus | 22:52 |
@bopbop | or cancer | 22:52 |
BartJo1 | oops, bad joke again, maybe I should just go drinking | 22:52 |
BartJo1 | so everybody here satified with the resuts of yesterday? | 22:58 |
@bopbop | yes yes yes | 22:58 |
@bopbop | yes | 22:58 |
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BartJo1 | :) | 22:59 |
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juan | hi | 23:01 |
juan | i have many attachements in a post, and i want ot sort them again, how can i do that? | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | juan, there is no particular order that post attachments are put in. | 23:02 |
juan | there is no change to do it | 23:03 |
BartJo1 | juan: do you have multiple attachements in a single post? in that case I would have to agree with perlDraemer | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | juan, one potential work around would be to use some javascript to do it | 23:09 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: just because Michael Crichton didn't write Shawshank, doesn't mean you had to kill him | 23:13 |
juan | yes, i have about 50 attachements in a single post | 23:15 |
juan | perlDreamer, put a javascript in the template? | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | since the order of the attachments is random, use the template to build a javascript array and then sort it | 23:18 |
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CIA-8 | WebGUI: graham * r8278 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI.pm docs/previousVersion.sql): update versions to 7.6.3 | 23:50 |
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metanil | in templateId, there is defaultvalue and namespace.. what is actually mean by namespace?? | 00:16 |
@preaction | metanil, the namespace of the template. see WebGUI::Form::Template and WebGUI::Asset::Template for more information | 00:17 |
@preaction | think of it as a way to label what template is used with which page | 00:18 |
metanil | thanks | 00:18 |
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+perlDreamer | bopbop, I need a second opinion for a label. You have a sec? | 00:51 |
@bopbop | sure perldreamer | 00:53 |
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+perlDreamer | related to this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9002 | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | I originally put in a label that said: Add a variant | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | Steve changed it to the English text: Set sku and price | 01:07 |
@bopbop | looking at bug-sec | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | k | 01:07 |
@bopbop | was there an rfe or bug that caused Steve to change it? | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | No. I think that he thought that "Add a variant" wasn't clear enough | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | I'm starting to agree with him | 01:09 |
@bopbop | I agree, I think set SKU and Price is easier | 01:09 |
@bopbop | esp. for new commerce users | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | Cool. I'll make it that, then remove the English text in the template. | 01:12 |
@bopbop | ok | 01:12 |
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CIA-8 | WebGUI: graham * r8278 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI.pm docs/previousVersion.sql): update versions to 7.6.3 | 01:30 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: doug * r8279 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm: fixed: SyndicatedContent asset throws runtime error with RSS feeds it cant deal with | 01:30 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: doug * r8280 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: SyndicatedContent asset throws runtime error with RSS feeds it cant deal with | 01:30 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: translation * r8281 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (16 files): Update from translation server | 01:30 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: graham * r8282 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (17 files in 5 dirs): separate install from helpdesk | 01:30 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: graham * r8283 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): use yui 2.5.2 datatable and datasource libs | 01:30 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: graham * r8284 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Form/CommentRating.pm: CommentRating is in core now | 01:30 |
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miloidrr | Hi I have a question about cs template | 17:09 |
Lisette | how to do for get the assetId of a post that find in session? | 17:09 |
miloidrr | How can i add two variables in a template? | 17:09 |
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Lisette | how to do for get the assetId of a post that find in session? | 17:15 |
BartJo1 | hi Martin! | 17:16 |
BartJo1 | miloidrr: do you want two non existing tmp_vars? | 17:17 |
BartJo1 | then you'll have to program them in the Post | 17:17 |
BartJo1 | you mean vars in the post_loop? | 17:18 |
BartJo1 | just read the code to se how the others are added | 17:18 |
BartJo1 | and add yours the same | 17:18 |
BartJo1 | Lisette: can you rephrase that, I don't exactly understand what you're trying to do | 17:19 |
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BartJo1 | miloidrr: the existing vars are in the following files: ./Asset/Post/Thread.pm: push (@{$var->{post_loop}}, \%replyVars); | 17:26 |
BartJo1 | ./Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: push(@{$var->{post_loop}}, \%postVars ); | 17:26 |
Lisette | i have to do a macro that return the url of a atach of a post, but the parameter for to the macro is only the number of post, then i want find tha assetId of the post that called id | 17:29 |
Lisette | sorry the macro | 17:29 |
BartJo1 | Ok can you put the code in paste bin? | 17:33 |
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BartJo1 | Lisette: or do you want the input to be the post's assetId | 17:38 |
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John | Hey | 17:42 |
BartJo1 | thta is id in the <post_loop> | 17:42 |
BartJo1 | hi John | 17:42 |
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Guest64427 | HI | 17:42 |
Guest64427 | My nickname was changed | 17:43 |
BartJo1 | well, we don't like you less because of that | 17:44 |
Guest64427 | jajajaj thanks | 17:49 |
+MrHairgrease | bart! | 17:52 |
+MrHairgrease | do we go to locus tonight? | 17:52 |
+MrHairgrease | as a domibo? | 17:52 |
BartJo1 | well, first I go to the movies with my mother | 17:52 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 17:52 |
BartJo1 | aster that I will be available for drinking | 17:53 |
BartJo1 | after | 17:53 |
+MrHairgrease | well | 17:53 |
+MrHairgrease | if you like you mom better than your friends... | 17:53 |
BartJo1 | but you have to work tomorrow | 17:53 |
+MrHairgrease | i know | 17:53 |
+MrHairgrease | so? | 17:53 |
BartJo1 | I just have to divide my attention between all that people who love me | 17:53 |
BartJo1 | ;) | 17:54 |
@perlmonkey2 | anything in particular I should keep in mind when merging the new survey into [HEAD]? | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | i never said i loved you | 17:54 |
@rizen | Erin is not one of those people BartJo1 | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | but you're okay for the person you are =) | 17:54 |
@rizen | keep your damn hands off her | 17:54 |
@rizen | =) | 17:54 |
BartJo1 | not yet rizen, not yet | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | who's erin? | 17:54 |
BartJo1 | but she's save from my hands till may | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 17:55 |
+MrHairgrease | i see | 17:55 |
BartJo1 | so you have time enough to win her, after that, it's your own fault rizen | 17:55 |
@rizen | true | 17:55 |
@rizen | guess i better book a flight out to the east coast | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | bart, will you be at de vrijmibo? | 17:57 |
BartJo1 | I will | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:57 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: what do you have to fear from BartJo1? I mean tall, handsome, sexy accent? No threat there. | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | then, for now, let's take it easy and skip the domibo | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | pm2: are you sure you're not talking about me? | 17:57 |
BartJo1 | and I won't try to confince her to stop smoking | 17:58 |
BartJo1 | MrHairgrease: you're not tall | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm tall enough | 17:59 |
BartJo1 | but perlmonkey2, you think I'm handsome and have a sexy accent...mmm | 18:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: I could be, I get all you tall sexy Netherlanders confused :P | 18:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJo1: what are you trying to say? | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | perlmonkey2: that's perfectly understandable | 18:00 |
BartJo1 | well, I was a bit doubting what you were saying | 18:01 |
BartJo1 | but don't keep your hopes up, I'm not gay | 18:01 |
@rizen | BartJo1: true, you will win because you won't try to convince her to stop smoking | 18:01 |
@rizen | BartJo1: but then i'll be without a mistress | 18:02 |
BartJo1 | Sarah said you could have Kerri | 18:02 |
@rizen | don't want kerri | 18:02 |
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@perlmonkey2 | BartJo1: well, even if I was gay, my wife would do incredibly harmful things to me. | 18:02 |
@rizen | she annoys the hell out of me | 18:02 |
@rizen | way too dramatic | 18:02 |
BartJo1 | she told me that too | 18:02 |
@rizen | alright, fine. you take erin, kerri, and sarah. i'll just call up some whores. =) | 18:03 |
BartJo1 | she didn't seem to care | 18:03 |
BartJo1 | that's what you wanted anyway | 18:03 |
@rizen | indeed | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 18:04 |
BartJo1 | if you will become a pimp, they're cheaper | 18:04 |
+MrHairgrease | seems the whole polygamistic hippie commune plan is up and ruinning again | 18:04 |
BartJo1 | yoohoo! | 18:04 |
BartJo1 | perlmonkey2: your wife doesn't secretly wishes a threesome, or with my commune a sixsome? | 18:08 |
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@perlmonkey2 | BartJo1: you are starting a commune? Does this signify the end of the world? | 18:09 |
BartJo1 | nope, just an enhancement of my sleeping conditions | 18:10 |
BartJo1 | and probably a lot of nagging | 18:10 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: jt * r8290 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Added a better mechanism for calculating when content was last modified for cache headers. | 18:11 |
BartJo1 | but I'll have to go to watch a French movie with my mother | 18:13 |
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JohnRestrepo | Hi again | 18:41 |
JohnRestrepo | Guys | 18:54 |
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JohnRestrepo | Anyone of you know how to use the Net::SAML extension? | 18:55 |
JohnRestrepo | In WebGUI | 18:55 |
JohnRestrepo | anyone has used it? | 18:55 |
apeiron | JohnRestrepo, Nope, but if you wanted to use it with wG you'd probably need to write an Auth handler. | 18:58 |
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CIA-8 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8291 /tools/disableActivity.pl: This script will remove all activities matching an activity id or a title from every workflow in the site. A single site or all sites can be specified. | 20:01 |
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mikekgr | hello there, is there any possibility to install webgui in a computer that have not direct connection to the internet (bihing proxy/firewall)??? | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI does not require access to the internet to function correctly | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | certain functions will not work, though | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | like the Weather Asset, the Stock Tracker asset. | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | trying to fetch calendar feeds or RSS feeds from other external sites | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | and, the little feature that tells you if you're using the most up to date version of WebGUI | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | all optional | 20:33 |
mikekgr | yes but during installation at the update from internet phase stop installation due to no internet | 20:34 |
@preaction | you don't want to install that way | 20:34 |
mikekgr | how to install then??? | 20:34 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need a "How to install WebGUI on an isolated server" wiki page | 20:34 |
@preaction | you'll need to download the WRE and the WebGUI versions you want, then do a Manual Install of webgui by extracting the WebGUI tarball to /data/WebGUI | 20:34 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, good idea. or "How to do a manual install" or something | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, if you dictate, I'll wiki it | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | Are there more details than you just went through? | 20:35 |
@preaction | not really | 20:35 |
mikekgr | ok give me 1-2 minutes to write after checking again | 20:35 |
@preaction | you go through the WRE's install procedure until it says "Installing WebGUI" and has the button for "Manual Install" | 20:36 |
@preaction | BEFORE hitting that button, extract WebGUI to /data/WebGUI | 20:36 |
@preaction | then hit that button | 20:36 |
@preaction | that should be it | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | Okay, I'll start the page | 20:36 |
mikekgr | I Download and try to installed WRE (for Debian), I followed this instructions: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation the step that was not possible to finish was: " ./wreconsole.pl " Any workaround? | 20:39 |
@preaction | why can't you run the wreconsole? | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | mikekgr: What happens when you try to run the wreconsole? | 20:41 |
mikekgr | No I can run it but when I go to: http://myserver:60834/setup there need to do update check and have problem here... | 20:41 |
@preaction | mikekgr, what step is that? | 20:41 |
@preaction | it should just time out and proceed normally | 20:42 |
mikekgr | I am not at that computer right now but this page try to setup everything and when try to "check for update" stopped here and at "server" console take an error that the update can not be done and stay there... | 20:43 |
mikekgr | no it does not continue after that error | 20:44 |
@preaction | unless i know what step that is i can't help you. was it after you clicked "Automatic Install"? | 20:44 |
mikekgr | yes sure | 20:45 |
@preaction | that's what you don't want to do. The other button on that page is "Manual Install", and that's the button you want | 20:45 |
@preaction | as i mentioned above, BEFORE you hit Manual Install, you unzip the WebGUI tarball to /data/WebGUI | 20:46 |
@preaction | that's the tarball you got from http://update.webgui.org | 20:46 |
mikekgr | ok I see I will try it tomorrow. Many thanks | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: wiki page is up | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | It could use some linkage and some indexage, but people who search should find it | 21:09 |
@preaction | sweet, thanks | 21:09 |
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@preaction | uh... why does the t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/DataForm.t test the Article asset? | 21:20 |
@Haarg | heh | 21:21 |
@Haarg | that may be my fault | 21:21 |
@Haarg | indeed it is | 21:22 |
@preaction | how is testing the DataForm going to work if it creates a new revision of itself with every action? | 21:25 |
@preaction | oh, nm | 21:25 |
@preaction | those are only the www_ actions | 21:25 |
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CIA-8 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8292 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): prepping for merge | 21:46 |
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topsub | I wasn't logged into the webgui.org site and went to view a forum post and gave me permission deined. Is that correct? | 21:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, I'm merging the Survey2 branch to HEAD, which is all new files exept for Survey.pm. I don't want to merge it because nothing in the original should stay. Should I svn del it then readd it with the new file? | 21:48 |
@preaction | topsub, which forum post? | 21:49 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, that should work fine | 21:50 |
topsub | it was ,http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/two-proxies-pointing-to-the-same-modperl#piIfU0tfORt2TENZlGcmog | 21:50 |
topsub | but now i log out and try it again and it works fine | 21:51 |
topsub | Not sure why the first time i went to the post it said permission deined | 21:51 |
@preaction | yeah. not sure either... | 21:51 |
@preaction | i logged out and works fine for me | 21:51 |
@preaction | if you can reproduce, let us know so we can look deeper | 21:51 |
topsub | hmm ya now i just sound werid because i can't reproduce it.. lol | 21:54 |
topsub | Seems to be fine. not sure where it thought i was trying to go to give me permission deined. | 21:54 |
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metanil | i think the line no 314 at file /extras/assetManager/assetManager.js should be fixed.. | 22:32 |
metanil | its -->> var url = "http://" + hostName + this.focusObject.metaData.url; | 22:33 |
metanil | hard coded "http://" | 22:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | If I try to merge Survey2 branch objects that didn't exist in head, I get a they don't exist error. If I try to add them, I get a they are already under source control error. | 22:33 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, did you copy the .svn directories from your branch? that could be the problem | 22:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, I'll check | 22:33 |
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+perlDreamer | metanil, please file that as a bug | 23:05 |
metanil | yeah.. | 23:07 |
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@Haarg | perlmonkey2, did you get the survey merged? it looks like it's missing the main file | 23:46 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: how so? | 23:54 |
@perlmonkey2 | Survey.pm should be there | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | No Survey.pm | 23:55 |
@Haarg | you can't add and delete a file in one rev with svn | 23:56 |
@Haarg | you can change a file though | 23:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | whups | 23:56 |
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@perlmonkey2 | okay, added | 23:58 |
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Bernd_ | rizen, I just met Klaus in Mannheim at our first webgui drinks. | 00:02 |
Bernd_ | We have discussed about how to grow the German community. | 00:02 |
Bernd_ | Would it be possible to have a German forum on webgui.org? | 00:03 |
@rizen | if that would help you, sure | 00:03 |
@rizen | i'm all about growing the community | 00:03 |
Bernd_ | I am thinking about something like a self-assignable webgui group. | 00:03 |
@rizen | but...wouldn't it be better to have a full german site? | 00:03 |
Bernd_ | We could internationalize webgui.org at one point. | 00:04 |
Bernd_ | webgui-cms.de is already dead. | 00:04 |
Bernd_ | And Andreas Graf (the owner) does not seem to be interested that much | 00:04 |
Bernd_ | in revitalizing it. | 00:04 |
Bernd_ | A forum would be a good starting point. | 00:04 |
Bernd_ | What about a webgui group to which people can assign by themselves. | 00:05 |
@rizen | well if you want a forum i can give you that | 00:05 |
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@rizen | what is the group for? | 00:05 |
Bernd_ | To make the forum visible. | 00:05 |
@rizen | why not just always leave it visible? | 00:05 |
Bernd_ | That way we can have many national groups on webgui.org | 00:05 |
Bernd_ | and still keep the board tidy and short. | 00:06 |
@rizen | i know what you're saying, but why not have all the national groups visible? i think it makes the webgui community look bigger and cooler | 00:06 |
Bernd_ | I mean, the German forum is probably only the beginning. | 00:06 |
Bernd_ | Alright. | 00:06 |
Bernd_ | Make it visible then. | 00:06 |
@rizen | could you type the name as it should appear in german? | 00:07 |
@rizen | so i can put it in? | 00:07 |
Bernd_ | Now? Or as an RFE? | 00:07 |
@rizen | now | 00:07 |
@rizen | i'll do it now | 00:07 |
Bernd_ | >Good. Let me think for a moment. | 00:07 |
@rizen | i'll also make your user account the "owner" of the CS so that you can edit it | 00:07 |
Bernd_ | What about the translation of "German user group"? | 00:08 |
Bernd_ | as title, I mean. | 00:08 |
@rizen | fine by me...whatever you think will attract german speaking users | 00:08 |
Bernd_ | Let's go with that for the moment. The German translation is "Deutsche Benutzergruppe". | 00:09 |
Bernd_ | We can still change it later on. | 00:09 |
@rizen | oh and also type up a one or two sentence description in german | 00:09 |
@rizen | like each other forum has | 00:09 |
@rizen | a description | 00:09 |
Bernd_ | Can I do that later on? | 00:09 |
@rizen | i guess so since you'll have edit rights | 00:09 |
Bernd_ | I am still in the train, it is late and I have had more than two beers. | 00:09 |
@rizen | hehe | 00:09 |
Bernd_ | Good. | 00:09 |
Bernd_ | We have also agreed on meeting regularly. | 00:10 |
@rizen | ok, when you sober up and wake up, post a welcome message to the board | 00:10 |
@rizen | sweet | 00:10 |
Bernd_ | That is once a month. Alternating between Heidelberg and Mannheim. | 00:10 |
Bernd_ | I am going to post to the calendar soon. | 00:10 |
Bernd_ | Hope there are more to join. | 00:10 |
Bernd_ | One more thing: | 00:11 |
Bernd_ | What about the extended demo I have suggested to tavis already? | 00:11 |
Bernd_ | Have you read that thread? | 00:11 |
@rizen | haven't read that thread | 00:11 |
@rizen | i'll go look for it | 00:12 |
Bernd_ | I think we could attract a lot more people by offering an extended demo for about one month. | 00:12 |
Bernd_ | That way people can play with webgui a bit more. | 00:12 |
Bernd_ | Klaus would be willing to fund a server for German users. | 00:12 |
@rizen | do you want an email address associated with it? | 00:12 |
@rizen | or do you want to decide that later? | 00:13 |
Bernd_ | e-mail? | 00:13 |
Bernd_ | The forum? | 00:13 |
@rizen | yeah so people can email in to the forum | 00:13 |
@rizen | yeah | 00:13 |
Bernd_ | Oh, yes! | 00:13 |
Bernd_ | E-mail is always good. | 00:13 |
Bernd_ | something like krauts@webgui.org | 00:13 |
@rizen | ok | 00:13 |
@rizen | i'll get it created | 00:13 |
Bernd_ | Cool! | 00:13 |
Bernd_ | Back to the extended demo... | 00:14 |
Bernd_ | The idea is to have some low-budget hosting | 00:14 |
Bernd_ | for small private sites. | 00:14 |
Bernd_ | Very small sites, I mean. | 00:14 |
Bernd_ | Just to attract users., | 00:14 |
Bernd_ | However, what is missing is a quota in the wre. | 00:14 |
Bernd_ | What do you think, | 00:15 |
Bernd_ | would that work for attracting more people? | 00:15 |
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Bernd_ | Ah, KlausH! | 00:16 |
Bernd_ | Already discussing :-) | 00:16 |
Bernd_ | JT is about creating our forum!!! | 00:16 |
KlausH | Hi Bernd! | 00:16 |
KlausH | Great! | 00:16 |
@rizen | Bernd webgui has asset quotes | 00:16 |
Bernd_ | We still have come up with a description until tomorrow, | 00:16 |
@rizen | quotas | 00:16 |
@rizen | you can say...this site can only have 400 assets | 00:17 |
Bernd_ | I did not know. Where can I specify? In the webgui conf file? | 00:17 |
Bernd_ | But more importantly, do you think this could be a model for attracting more people to webgui? | 00:18 |
@rizen | webgui config file | 00:18 |
@rizen | i haven't read the forum post yet | 00:18 |
Bernd_ | Going to have look. | 00:18 |
@rizen | your forum is online now...well pending spectre committing it | 00:19 |
Bernd_ | Check the thread on the ct article. | 00:19 |
Bernd_ | It was about how to generate extra values for their customers. | 00:19 |
@Haarg | perlmonkey2, intentional? https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision?rev=8296#diff__WebGUI_lib_WebGUI_Workflow_Activity_ArchiveOldThreads.pm | 00:19 |
Bernd_ | ct did not want to publish webgui as part of their software collection | 00:19 |
Bernd_ | since it is free and does not come with any extra value. | 00:19 |
Bernd_ | My suggestion was to give hosting coupons to their reades | 00:20 |
Bernd_ | readers for an extended demo | 00:20 |
Bernd_ | But I think this would be a great think in general. | 00:20 |
Bernd_ | Currently, there is still too little activity on webgui.org. | 00:21 |
Bernd_ | We need more users. | 00:21 |
Bernd_ | I think students are a good target group. | 00:21 |
Bernd_ | They have time contribute. | 00:21 |
Bernd_ | But we need to get them play with webgui first. | 00:21 |
KlausH | Bernd, will you do the intial post on the German discussion board | 00:22 |
Bernd_ | The current demo is good for a first impression. | 00:22 |
Bernd_ | KlausH, yes! | 00:22 |
Bernd_ | But tomorrow. | 00:22 |
Bernd_ | Immediately after breakfast. | 00:22 |
Bernd_ | rizen, so what do you think about an extended demo and a subsequent low-budget hosting plan for private users? | 00:23 |
@rizen | on phone...in the mean time, can you get me the url to the discussion you're talking about | 00:23 |
@rizen | ok, off the phone | 00:26 |
Bernd_ | Ok. I found it! It was this one http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/webgui-article-in-german-linux-magazine?pn=2 | 00:26 |
@rizen | where is that thread | 00:26 |
@rizen | k | 00:26 |
@rizen | reading... | 00:26 |
Bernd_ | KlausH, schon eine Idee f?r die Beschreibung der Gruppe? | 00:27 |
@rizen | my answer = exactly what tavisto said | 00:28 |
Bernd_ | That means, you are going to work on it? | 00:29 |
@tavisto | what about tavisto? | 00:30 |
@tavisto | why are you bouncing my Colloquy icon? | 00:30 |
@tavisto | :_ | 00:30 |
@tavisto | :) | 00:30 |
Bernd_ | Would it be ok, if Klaus and me took the lead? | 00:32 |
Bernd_ | Not that expensive to rent a root server these days. | 00:32 |
Bernd_ | And I do not expect users to flood us with requests. | 00:32 |
Bernd_ | tavisto, what is a Colloquy icon? | 00:33 |
@rizen | tavisto what you said regarding automated hosting and extended demos on the forum | 00:33 |
@tavisto | heh, on a Mac the default IRC client is colloquy | 00:33 |
@tavisto | gotcha Rizen, I caught up on the convo now | 00:33 |
Bernd_ | So, are there any plans to do that? | 00:33 |
@rizen | Bernd_: no that doesn't mean we're going to work on it. it means that we can't even consider working on it until the hosting automation system is fully in place | 00:33 |
Bernd_ | Or shall we do that as a community. | 00:33 |
@rizen | and it won't be in place until *at least* January 2009. | 00:34 |
Bernd_ | But hosting automation is being worked on? | 00:34 |
@rizen | yes | 00:34 |
@rizen | as we speak | 00:34 |
Bernd_ | 2009 is coming soon.# | 00:34 |
@rizen | i'm spending about 20 hours per week (and sometimes more) | 00:34 |
Bernd_ | No need to be impatient. | 00:34 |
Bernd_ | Good. In that case, I think we are going to wait. | 00:34 |
Bernd_ | Keep on working :-) ! | 00:35 |
Bernd_ | I am approaching my home. | 00:35 |
Bernd_ | Going to stop here. | 00:35 |
Bernd_ | Good night! | 00:35 |
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@rizen | patspam: it appears that the first German webgui drink was a huge success | 00:37 |
@rizen | how's the australian one? | 00:37 |
@tavisto | Rizen, you do realize we will exceed 1000 CMS products by the end of 2008 right? If not by the end of this month. | 00:38 |
@tavisto | I think this week we've already got around 3-4 new CMS products, and I have one pending where I'm waiting to hear from a vendor | 00:38 |
@tavisto | according to the numbers I've seen in past articles, that means we could potentially only be reporting about half the CMS products currently available. | 00:39 |
@rizen | i know | 00:39 |
@rizen | cmsmatrix.org is exploding all over the place | 00:40 |
@tavisto | yeah, our visitors aren't growing inline but the amount of vendors finding us definitely is | 00:40 |
@tavisto | we're actually just consistent now after our last growth spurt of 10-15k to around 60k | 00:40 |
@rizen | it will come | 00:41 |
@rizen | the more data we have the more users we will have | 00:41 |
@tavisto | yup, I have no doubt. | 00:41 |
@tavisto | I think our phase 2 advertising plan must go into affect.. hot babes in bikini photo galleries | 00:42 |
@tavisto | I'm pretty sure no ones ever tried that technique before | 00:42 |
@rizen | i'm pretty sure every dating site on the internet uses ads like that | 00:43 |
@rizen | the hottest chicks i see on the internet are always the ads pointing to dating sites. =) | 00:43 |
@tavisto | yeah, just maybe.. and I even had a typo with affect... should be effect. I suck | 00:44 |
@tavisto | that's 100% true. | 00:44 |
@tavisto | BUT, I wonder if that's true on the muslim dating site you found. | 00:44 |
nuba | haha dating sites use imagemagik & geoip to convince people that the pics they're seeing is from local girls | 00:49 |
nuba | they have this 'hot babes pic database' and "burn" your city name in a random pic | 00:50 |
nuba | but its funny when they do that and your population's average girls are soo different than US' | 00:51 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: oh crap...looks like I somehow edited that file instead of where I pasted teh code to. | 01:00 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I'm rolling it back now | 01:01 |
@Haarg | ok | 01:01 |
@Haarg | thanks | 01:01 |
wgGuest95 | hello there, could someone tell me how to have/use a few fonts in my webgui pages? | 01:01 |
@preaction | wgGuest95, most likely you'll have to edit the HTML source or create a stylesheet that has some classes for your fonts | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | Doritos rock | 01:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: ah, I guess checking out the last good version and then trying to check it in, isn't have you roll back. | 01:05 |
wgGuest95 | from admin console and using graphics I upload a few... How can edit the html source or create a stylesheet? | 01:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | ah, merge | 01:06 |
@Haarg | yeah, svn is kind of a pile | 01:06 |
@preaction | wgGuest95, those fonts aren't for in the page, they're for the graphs that WebGUI creates | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest95, the graphics console is only for creating graphics through WebGUI like pie charts and graphs | 01:06 |
@preaction | there's no good way to push those fonts to the people viewing your web site, which is why most websites just use a few default fonts like Arial, Courier, and Tahoma | 01:07 |
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wgGuest95 | ok thanks, now only left the question how can have my defaul favorit fonts (Arial, Tahoma etc) inside webgui? | 01:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | svn merge -c -6258 urlToModule, right? | 01:08 |
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@preaction | wgGuest95, you will need to edit your stylesheet (the CSS file) | 01:09 |
@preaction | wgGuest95, http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-give-webgui-your-own-style <- here's a good wiki article on how to edit style templates and stylesheets | 01:09 |
wgGuest95 | ok thanks I will check it!!! | 01:10 |
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@perlmonkey2 | ah, -c doens't work, have to use -r | 01:16 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8293 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: preparing for merge | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8294 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (templates loadTemplate.pl survey.css.backup): preparing for merge | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8295 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (5 files in 2 dirs): preparing for merge | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8296 /WebGUI/ (28 files in 11 dirs): The new survey is here. Make sure to wg-reset your test instances to get the new DB schema. | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8297 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm: i18n is probably important to actually seeing any text. | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8298 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: The Survey pm file | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8299 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #9028: Thingy fails when setting values containing single quotes | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8300 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: clean up some thingy slightly | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8301 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.3/root_import_survey.wgpkg: make survey templates not be packages | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8302 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9047: Unable to reorder DataForm tabs | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8303 /translations/German/German/ (21 files): Update from translation server | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8304 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t: Added Survey.t skeleton | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8305 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server | 02:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8306 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9047: Unable to reorder DataForm tabs | 02:22 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8307 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #9028: Thingy fails when setting values containing single quotes | 02:22 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8308 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.32 release | 02:22 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8309 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.32-stable: Release 7.5.32-stable | 03:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8310 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.33 dev | 03:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8311 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server | 03:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8312 /translations/German/German/ (Macro_MiniCart.pm Asset_Newsletter.pm ShipDriver_FlatRate.pm): Update from translation server | 03:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8313 /translations/German/German/Asset_RSSCapable.pm: Update from translation server | 03:34 |
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elnino | I was wondering if there is a way to add some layouts to the "design wizard" in webgui... Is it using templates in webgui? or is some pl files somewhere? | 04:34 |
@preaction | it's some pl files somewhere i think | 04:34 |
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elnino | ok. Thanks preaction | 05:20 |
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CIA-8 | WebGUI: doug * r8315 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 05:50 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: added: Delete columns in DataTable | 05:50 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: fixed: Now more than one DataTable can be on a page | 05:50 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: doug * r8316 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm: added todo | 05:50 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: doug * r8317 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/CheckList.pm: fixed docs | 05:50 |
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elnino | will the new survey in 7.6 support conditional questions? so if you answer one way, it'll ask you one thing, if it asks you another, it asks you a different one? | 06:21 |
@preaction | yes | 06:22 |
@preaction | it calls it "branching" | 06:23 |
CIA-8 | WebGUI: doug * r8318 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/moveField.t: added tests for movefield | 06:31 |
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elnino | ok. Thanks preaction. | 07:08 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8319 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: fix POD whitespace problem in Survey.pm | 09:17 |
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BartJol | hee, the topic is old | 15:02 |
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SDuensin | Everyone must be hard at work today. No chatter! | 18:29 |
AMH_henry | for me weekend just started! :D | 18:31 |
SDuensin | Congrats. Bum. :-) | 18:31 |
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SDuensin | If I go and build a bunch of Things and later edit them, does the data already existing inside them survive? | 18:57 |
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@rizen | survive editing? | 18:57 |
@rizen | oh you mean edit the schema of them? | 18:57 |
SDuensin | Yea. | 18:57 |
@rizen | yup | 18:57 |
@rizen | data will survive | 18:58 |
@rizen | but the new fields added will be empty | 18:58 |
* SDuensin is still gun shy but fascinated at the same time. | 18:58 | |
@rizen | and fields that get deleted will lose their data | 18:58 |
SDuensin | That's cool. | 18:58 |
@rizen | Isn't thingy cool? | 18:58 |
SDuensin | I want to try and use it to build an application for my users to manage their domains. | 18:58 |
SDuensin | So far it seems very cool. Except for when it went haywire on me the other night. | 18:59 |
@rizen | Our biggest use of it currently is that we have a rolodex of all of our customers, vendors, contractors, employees, etc | 18:59 |
@rizen | and notes about them | 18:59 |
SDuensin | Sounds similar to what I want. Just the UI. All the actual work will be done by a cron job or workflow or something. | 19:00 |
SDuensin | Kinda like how I use WebGUI to manage my CloudCircle subscriptions. Logons are synced by a cron job on another box. | 19:00 |
SDuensin | I got into trouble when I started changing fields that had relationships on them. | 19:02 |
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SDuensin | wb | 19:02 |
SDuensin | I got into trouble when I started changing fields that had relationships on them. | 19:02 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r8320 /branch/alphamega/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Updated comments (removed reference to AMH). Put SQL statements for upgrade | 19:34 |
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+perlDreamer | next version is 7.6.4? | 20:10 |
@preaction | 763 i think | 20:11 |
@preaction | yeah 7.6.3, 7.6.2 is released | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | cool. I'm fixing a template so I want to put the package in the right place. | 20:22 |
SDuensin | Can a Thing be an auto-increment value? | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | no idea, sduensin | 21:15 |
SDuensin | I worked around it. It'd still be helpful. | 21:16 |
* SDuensin is working on replacing Plesk with Things. | 21:16 | |
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Bernd_ | Hey, is the HelpDesk still broken? | 21:23 |
Bernd_ | At least it does not work for me. | 21:23 |
Bernd_ | I would like to upload a patch for the UserList asset. | 21:23 |
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Bernd_ | But I cannot see any of the bugs at the moment. | 21:24 |
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Bernd_ | perlDreamer, I have the patch for the UserList asset ready. | 21:26 |
Bernd_ | But I cannot upload. | 21:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: now what was the issue with the tests? | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | i18n/help.t is using Help/Asset_Survey as a source of data | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | the i18n that it was pointing to went away | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | so Help/Asset_Survey needs to be updated, and have legal i18n links | 21:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, I'll see if I can do it after $work :P | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | normally, Help, i18n and templating is part of $dayJob for contracts, but I don't know your current tasking | 21:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how does the help.t work. I'm not seeing anything including/using anything with survey\c in it. | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | it gets a list of help files, then takes the data structures from each one and makes sure that all labels have valid i18n entries | 21:38 |
+perlDreamer | help.t is not the problem | 21:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | I didn't remove any help files. I removed Asset_Survey and replaced it. | 21:39 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try to find a good example | 21:39 |
+perlDreamer | in Asset_Survey | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | the survey response template looks for a title entry named 1089 | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | that entry, 1089, does not exist in the i18n file | 21:41 |
@perlmonkey2 | ic | 21:41 |
@perlmonkey2 | help.t runs through all the templates and makes sure the i18n calls are there. | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | no | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | help.t runs through all Help files and makes sure the i18n calls are there | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | I'm assuming, (probably badly) that when you replaced the i18n file, that the Help file wasn't updated at the same time. | 21:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh man....I've got a lot of work to do there. | 21:47 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Some idiot (me) cut off a really important line of code when cleaning up this file. | 22:00 |
SDuensin | hehe | 22:01 |
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SDuensin | Anybody got a recommendation for integrating an actual database with WebGUI. Like pretty web-based forms and such. Thingy is close, but not quite, what I need. | 22:10 |
@preaction | SQLForm maybe? SQLReport perhaps? A custom application? | 22:11 |
SDuensin | I'm hoping for pointy-clicky. :-) | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, patches and RFEs for Things gratefully accepted ;) | 22:11 |
SDuensin | :-D | 22:12 |
+perlDreamer | We know that you know how to sling a text editor around | 22:12 |
SDuensin | Who? Me? :-P | 22:12 |
+perlDreamer | You can't hide behind that fresh-faced newbie exterior forever, dudely | 22:12 |
SDuensin | :-D | 22:12 |
SDuensin | I plan on helping you all to rule the world. But I need online *now* so I can afford to live. | 22:12 |
+perlDreamer | I see | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | You need the autoincrement thing you mentioned earlier | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | Or is it something else? | 22:14 |
SDuensin | Ideally? Build FileMaker into WebGUI. I'll wait. :-) | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | FileMaker? | 22:15 |
@preaction | http://www.filemaker.com/ | 22:15 |
SDuensin | Yea. Easy pointy-clicky DB builder with web UI options. | 22:15 |
@preaction | what is Thingy missing that you need? | 22:16 |
SDuensin | Forms to customize the UI. | 22:16 |
@preaction | forms? like a drag-drop wizard to make the forms? | 22:17 |
@preaction | you can edit the templates already | 22:17 |
SDuensin | I know that. But it's not fast. | 22:17 |
@preaction | the app you want isn't easy either :p | 22:18 |
SDuensin | I know that. :-) | 22:18 |
@preaction | but it's probably easier than a generic template wizarding thing | 22:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: you know that SQL Report bug. Try a limit that causes multiple pages from the paginator. Then if you can figure it out, I'll owe you enough beers to see you passed out under the table. | 22:19 |
SDuensin | I know. I'm just "into" pointy-clicky lately. I want tools so a couple people can do the work of dozens. | 22:20 |
@preaction | right, but a dozen people will need to make those tools ;-) large up-front cost == smaller maintenance costs | 22:20 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, i would look at how Paginator adds its own limit clause. that's most likely where the bug is | 22:20 |
SDuensin | Yea, but templates are my problem. Tools are YOUR problem. :-P | 22:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, I used to be able to replicate, but now I can't. | 22:21 |
@preaction | it might be prudent to build some testing for it, instead of trying to test from the frontend | 22:21 |
@preaction | SDuensin, i could think of some compromises that could be made to make thingy easier to template. perhaps tabbed forms like DataForm? | 22:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: I'd call this corrected. I have 2000 returns in my query, paginating on 5 per page, and it happens subsecond. | 22:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'll look at SVN at the paginator to see what changed. | 22:22 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, i think there was something about there being a subquery as well, no? | 22:22 |
SDuensin | preaction - Not sure. Mainly I need more navigation tools. I'll look at the templates to see what I can do. I mainly need to drill down into data and be able to come back up. I've got a lot of many-to-one relations. | 22:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: oh, yeah, now I remember. It was when it was downloaded | 22:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: looks like the bug I'm looking at isn't the same one I looked at before (been several months). But I think there was a subquery in the previous one. I'll test it with the subquery. But if that works, I'd call this fixed. | 22:25 |
@perlmonkey2 | wow, that query should have set my server on fire and instead it was also subsecond. | 22:26 |
@perlmonkey2 | queried for everything on an unindexed column, and the subquery did the same. | 22:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: nevermind it isn't corrected "select * from assetData where title in (select title from assetData) limit 100" is an easy test which kills it. And from the last time I looked at this, it woudl require a serious replumbing of the paginator. | 22:31 |
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@preaction | what would you have to do exactly? what in the paginator is the problem? | 22:44 |
SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - Ooo: http://www.wavemaker.com | 22:52 |
SDuensin | Er, preaction that is. | 22:52 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: community edition is AGPL | 22:56 |
@preaction | how dare you want rich applications without doing any work! | 22:56 |
SDuensin | :-P | 22:56 |
SDuensin | AGPL works for what I want. Not for integrating with WebGUI for release. | 22:57 |
@preaction | i'm saying i can make a WebGUI::Asset::Template::Wizard::Thingy, but I'm also saying to not hold your breath waiting for it | 22:57 |
SDuensin | I know. :-) | 22:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: I don't recall about the paginator. But I remember it was something where the solution was inherent in the paginator. | 22:58 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, imho if you do a query like that and expect to download it, you should be prepared for it to take too long | 22:59 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: it won't take a long time, it will take forever. | 22:59 |
@preaction | that query would take forever at the mysql client, that's not something we can control | 23:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | There is a rather large param DEFINED in the paginator has to run once for each iteration. | 23:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | to find the problem just look for the param that is like 9999999999999999 or some such. | 23:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | it isn't at the mysql client. It is what the paginator is doing. | 23:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | I remember find that param and realizing it had to be there and there was no simple solution. | 23:01 |
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@preaction | ok, put as much info as possible into the bug report, we'll still need to fix it, but it's a little bug not a big one | 23:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: okay, I'll dive back into Paginator and document what I find this time :P | 23:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: that app shows the incredible power of the CRUD concept. | 23:02 |
SDuensin | Yep. | 23:02 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, you don't have to do that, just next time there's a problem like that | 23:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: yeah, it was a long time ago, I think before I was an employee. | 23:03 |
@preaction | if you can't fix it, at least write down as much as possible that you found out | 23:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | and I was trying to knock out bugs as fast as I could, and just moved along if I could fix it in a timely manner. | 23:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | /could/couldn't/ | 23:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8322 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix add variant i18n bug | 23:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8323 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting Sku i18n fix | 23:07 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, where can I find an example of the AJAX i18n calls? | 23:27 |
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@perlmonkey2 | jsIdiot: what asset would answer the calls? | 23:41 |
@perlmonkey2 | www_i18n? | 23:41 |
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snapcount | Is it possible to use a template variable from a template in the head block of the template? | 23:51 |
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@preaction | snapcount, no. in 7.6 it's possible to pass a data structure to the template's prepare() method, which allows template vars in there, but currently assets only use it for Metadata | 00:51 |
snapcount | ahh | 01:16 |
snapcount | ok ty | 01:16 |
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@tavisto | nuba, ping | 01:54 |
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nuba | tavisto: pong | 02:38 |
nuba | sup? | 02:38 |
@tavisto | hey nuba, I was curious if this site (in .br) is a legit CMS vendor | 02:38 |
@tavisto | http://www.visionnaire.com.br | 02:44 |
nuba | [22:08] <@tavisto> Ihttp://www.visionnaire.com.br | 03:00 |
nuba | oops | 03:00 |
nuba | [22:08] <@tavisto> Ihttp://www.visionnaire.com.br | 03:00 |
@tavisto | is that a legit vendor? | 03:00 |
nuba | sucks to use other people`s terminal with configs all messed up | 03:01 |
nuba | messed up = different than mine`s :D | 03:01 |
nuba | let me check | 03:01 |
nuba | never heard of them before | 03:01 |
@tavisto | I used google translate but the site doesn't really go into much detail about CMS | 03:01 |
nuba | http://www.visionnaire.com.br/produtos_webp.html | 03:04 |
nuba | thats their CMS product | 03:04 |
nuba | its called Visionnaire webpublication | 03:05 |
nuba | it seems pretty much legit | 03:06 |
nuba | i mean just legit as websites go | 03:07 |
@tavisto | ok so the product is legigt | 03:07 |
nuba | they sport a list of know companies as clients | 03:07 |
@tavisto | legit. That's what I wanted to make sure since I can't read the context of the site where it shows the CMS info | 03:07 |
nuba | known* | 03:07 |
nuba | they also claim to be partially financed by a couple of big banks | 03:08 |
nuba | it all looks convincing | 03:08 |
nuba | not overproduced, they could have done better | 03:08 |
nuba | its average looking | 03:08 |
nuba | and theres a couple of `success stories` on http://www.visionnaire.com.br/downloads/cases/case_fiep_webp.pdf and http://www.visionnaire.com.br/downloads/cases/case_usf_webp.pdf | 03:09 |
nuba | thats it | 03:09 |
@tavisto | alright, great thanks Nuba. I can now add them as a CMS on the cmsmatrix | 03:10 |
@tavisto | that will put us at 980 CMS products listed | 03:10 |
nuba | youre welcome | 03:10 |
nuba | cool, every notch counts | 03:11 |
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+crythias1 | Can I just say, "Thank You" for WebGUI? | 20:07 |
+crythias1 | I'm pretty much amazed at it (finally?) doing the stuff that *makes sense* ... | 20:08 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: need a 2nd opinion. Art thou available? | 21:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8324 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: update method alters the reference it is sent. Fix this by using Clone, which is a grandfathered prerequisite | 21:43 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8325 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_DataTable.pm: fill in missing i18n labels for the DataTable | 22:15 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8326 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Macro_SpectreCheck.pm: fix i18n typo in SpectreCheck macro | 22:47 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8327 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutThing.pm: fix i18n typos in NotifyAboutThing.pm | 22:47 |
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Bernd_ | preaction, I think I am done with implementing a fallback mechanism for translations allowing local flavors. | 22:26 |
Bernd_ | I have modified the get function in WebGUI::International | 22:27 |
Bernd_ | so far. | 22:27 |
Bernd_ | Seems to work. | 22:27 |
Bernd_ | Is there anything else I need to consider? | 22:27 |
Bernd_ | Maybe I should explain a bit more. | 22:27 |
Bernd_ | You can set a fallback language in the language properties now that is preferred over English. | 22:28 |
Bernd_ | If an id is missing, the fallback language is checked first. | 22:28 |
Bernd_ | Only if the id is missing there as well, English is used as the last option. | 22:28 |
Bernd_ | Are there any other parts in WebGUI that may be affected? | 22:29 |
Bernd_ | I see. It's weekend :-) | 22:31 |
Bernd_ | Going to bug you again on Monday. | 22:31 |
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patspam | looks like the upgrade to YUI 2.6 broke Thingy | 02:29 |
patspam | in the latest beta | 02:30 |
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+Radix-wrk | That sounds so wrong if you say it out loud.. "YUI broke my thingy!" | 03:59 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:59 |
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rjacobsen | is this working? | 18:52 |
SDuensin | nope | 18:52 |
rjacobsen | kk | 18:52 |
rjacobsen | i have a (hopefully) real simple question | 18:52 |
rjacobsen | i am working inside the template of webgui - and want to check to see if the user logged in is Admin.... so i typed <tmpl_if user.isAdmin> but it is not working | 18:53 |
rjacobsen | what is the correct variable for the user to show it is admin? | 18:53 |
rjacobsen | the only ones i know are user.isModerator and user.isVisitor | 18:54 |
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* SDuensin and templates are not a great mix. | 18:55 | |
+perlDreamer | I thought SDuensin went great with everything | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like beer | 18:56 |
SDuensin | He is, but not when he's sick. | 18:56 |
SDuensin | I'm lucky to be able to type. | 18:57 |
rjacobsen | is there a guide somewhere to all the user variables available? | 18:57 |
rjacobsen | they used to be in the help of webgui, but i dont see them there anymore | 18:58 |
SDuensin | Yea, they're all on the wiki. | 18:58 |
SDuensin | But they change depending on what the template is. | 18:59 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - I plan on ruling the world with WebGUI and my brain. As soon as my brain works again. | 18:59 |
rjacobsen | i just want something like <tmpl_if user.isAdmin> to check to see if the user logged in is Admin or not | 18:59 |
@rizen | they're all in the help | 19:00 |
@rizen | all template variables for all templates are in the help | 19:01 |
rjacobsen | i looked | 19:01 |
@rizen | if it's not in the help, then the variable doesn't exist | 19:01 |
SDuensin | Wow. I said the same thing as rizen for once. :-P | 19:01 |
rjacobsen | can you pls just tell me what user. i would use to see if the person logged in is admin? because I trully cannot find it (or i wouldnt be here) | 19:02 |
rjacobsen | :) | 19:02 |
rjacobsen | and i have been the past 2 hours looking through the help menu | 19:02 |
SDuensin | What kind of template is it? | 19:03 |
rjacobsen | admin toggle | 19:03 |
@rizen | there is no variable to tell if the current user is an admin | 19:04 |
rjacobsen | i dont wanna show it if the person is not admin | 19:04 |
@rizen | you need to use GroupText macro | 19:04 |
rjacobsen | ok lemme look that up | 19:04 |
rjacobsen | i see group add and group delete but no grouptext | 19:05 |
rjacobsen | ahh i see it | 19:05 |
@rizen | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/group-text-macro | 19:05 |
rjacobsen | but how can i use a macro in a templ_if?? | 19:05 |
@rizen | you can't | 19:05 |
@rizen | you don't need to | 19:06 |
@rizen | ^GroupText(3,display this thing here); | 19:06 |
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rjacobsen | ahhh | 19:06 |
rjacobsen | so group 3 would see the text | 19:06 |
@rizen | yes | 19:06 |
@rizen | except don't use 3 use the name of the group | 19:06 |
@rizen | like Admins | 19:06 |
rjacobsen | but can i put a ^asset url inside the "display this thing here"? | 19:06 |
@rizen | yup | 19:07 |
rjacobsen | very nice | 19:07 |
rjacobsen | very very nice | 19:07 |
rjacobsen | thank you so much | 19:07 |
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SDuensin | This is somewhat off-topic, but... What's the best MySQL tool you've found? I want something I can diagram with and manage FKs and such. | 19:09 |
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@rizen | the only one I've ever used for mysql is Datanamic DeZine for Databases | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | Agreed, SDuensin. Functional brain is required for world domination. | 19:19 |
SDuensin | rizen - Is it any good? | 19:20 |
@rizen | i don't like graphical tools like that, so i'm a bad one to ask | 19:21 |
@rizen | but for what it does, i thought it was ok | 19:21 |
SDuensin | I have the ever-creatively-named "SQLEditor" installed now. Undecided. | 19:22 |
SDuensin | Hmm. Navicat looks nice. | 19:31 |
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rjacobsen | rizen thanks man - that was exactly what i needed | 19:50 |
@rizen | you're welcome - pay me back by helping someone in IRC or on the forums when they have a question | 19:50 |
rjacobsen | i do have one more question .... is there any way to keep "Show admin console" from showing up when editing a page? | 19:50 |
SDuensin | Take it out of the template. | 19:51 |
rjacobsen | there is a page for "edit page layout"?? | 19:52 |
rjacobsen | i didnt know that | 19:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8329 /translations/Danish/Danish/ (13 files): Update from translation server | 19:52 |
@rizen | it's the admin console template | 19:52 |
@rizen | and you better not do what SD just said | 19:52 |
@rizen | or you'll likely break your site | 19:52 |
@rizen | so the answer is "no" | 19:52 |
SDuensin | SD had more things to go with his statement. | 19:52 |
rjacobsen | lol | 19:52 |
SDuensin | Like create an "admin" URL that has the macro in it. :-P | 19:53 |
rjacobsen | so i can create my own edit page template? | 19:53 |
rjacobsen | lemme explain what im tryin to do and maybe that would be easier - when someone clicks edit (and they are not admin) - i do not want them to be able to do anything else but edit the text on that page and click save or cancel - is that possible? | 19:55 |
nuba | i suppose UI levels are what youore after | 19:56 |
rjacobsen | ya maybe - but it still doesnt turn everything off | 19:57 |
nuba | users with different UI levels see different forms while editing | 19:57 |
nuba | you could look into fine-tuning it accordingly to your needs | 19:57 |
rjacobsen | ya im a noob when it comes to groups - not sure what to put in the fields to make stuff not show and stuff | 20:00 |
rjacobsen | like i went in to create a new group and im not sure what to change to make the new group unique and to decide what will and will not show for that group | 20:02 |
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knowmad | Haarg: can you talk for a minute about my support ticket? i think we can resolve it more quickly via irc | 20:08 |
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mediak | if anyone knows, it would be cool.... how can i edit what a group can and cannot do.... i do not see that anywhere :( | 20:11 |
knowmad | that would be a nice feature but i don't think there's a way to do it right now | 20:12 |
knowmad | you could probably write an sql report to generate the info | 20:12 |
mediak | ok what uimode would not be able to see "Show admin console"? | 20:13 |
knowmad | there is a Permissions tab in admin console under Settings | 20:13 |
mediak | AHHHHHHHHH | 20:14 |
knowmad | that's not fully documented | 20:14 |
mediak | thanx! | 20:14 |
mediak | thats what i was lookin for | 20:14 |
knowmad | without editing the admin templates, i think that any user with turn admin on will get the ability to see admin console | 20:15 |
knowmad | oh, good; i thought you were talking about being able to view asset permissions assigned to a group | 20:15 |
mediak | crap | 20:15 |
mediak | they can still see "show admin console" | 20:16 |
mediak | have to find a uimode that cant see it | 20:16 |
knowmad | what are you trying to accomplish? | 20:18 |
mediak | trying to make it to where the user can edit the text on a page in webgui, save or cancel the changes, but nothing else | 20:19 |
mediak | i can get rid of everything EXCEPT "Show admin console"......... | 20:23 |
mediak | cant figure out how to get rid of it - or make my own page edit template | 20:24 |
mediak | ok ....ill just use ad managers | 20:27 |
mediak | seems they have the least abilities | 20:28 |
knowmad | mediak: sorry, got distracted | 20:35 |
knowmad | where do you see "Show admin console"? in the admin toolbar? | 20:35 |
mediak | when they click "Edit" - it opens the edit page layout window and on the right side it says "Show admin console", and I cannot find a way to get rid of it | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | mediak, there's no way to do what you're asking. It's not a templatable function. | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | If they can Turn On Admin (to get to editing controls) they will be able to see the Show Admin Console link | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | and I take that back | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | it is templatable | 20:37 |
mediak | i understand that - but is there a ui level that doesnt show it? | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | no | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | see WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm for the code that generates the editing interface that you're concerned about | 20:37 |
mediak | kk | 20:38 |
knowmad | thanks for the help pd | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | mediak, a good option would be to put your restricted users in a special group | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | Call it No Console | 20:39 |
mediak | i have made a group but dont know how to set it not to show the console | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | Then, edit the default Admin Console template and use the GroupText macro to isolate that link, if that's possible | 20:40 |
mediak | ok i see how that can work.... but how would i make the edit page open with the admin console template that i create rather than the default? | 20:44 |
mediak | NEVERMIND LOL | 20:45 |
mediak | just figured it out | 20:45 |
mediak | i will use the grouptext macro to only show toggleAdminConsole() is group is Admins | 20:45 |
mediak | problem solved | 20:46 |
mediak | woot! | 20:48 |
mediak | that worked | 20:48 |
mediak | thanx perlDreamer for the idea | 20:48 |
@Haarg | knowmad: i'm here now | 20:52 |
knowmad | hey haarg | 20:53 |
knowmad | thanks for the reply; i've found the problem which was due to a bad sitename configuration | 20:53 |
knowmad | am posting a reply to the ticket | 20:54 |
@Haarg | ok, so it was a spectre issue? | 20:54 |
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knowmad | well, insomuch as i had misconfigured my conf file due to some complexities involved in how we have apache configured | 20:54 |
knowmad | there's no bug | 20:55 |
knowmad | if that's what you were asking | 20:55 |
knowmad | however, there is a patch i'm going to submit to provide better error reporting from spectre | 20:55 |
@Haarg | that would be nice. i've been meaning to look at getting better error reports out of spectre | 20:55 |
@Haarg | the current mess of html that gets spit out is rather useless | 20:56 |
knowmad | well, it looks like you've already fixed this one in wG 7.5; i was running under 7.4.40 which didn't output the error results from an eval block | 20:58 |
knowmad | btw, i also looked up sitename in the Admin Guide and have the answer to my question in the follow-up to my ticket; unless you have more to add, you can close out that ticket | 20:59 |
knowmad | i concur with you about the "mess of html" being unhelpful in debugging spectre issues | 20:59 |
knowmad | that's a bigger problem than i have the tuits for today | 20:59 |
@Haarg | the thing that's most annoying | 21:00 |
@Haarg | is that what gets output in the log is a 500 error, even though that isn't what happened | 21:01 |
@Haarg | that 500 error and the html blob are generated by the http client when it can't reach the server | 21:01 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8330 /tools/ (wgd wg-build wg-reset): | 21:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: new reset etc script, replacing wg-reset and wg-build | 21:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: additional commands, more consistant arguments, and pluggable. | 21:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: new wgd script is autogenerated based on a set of .pm files. | 21:05 |
bunniefoofoo | I would like to flush out all the 1000s of workflows that are piled up and won't finish, is it dangerous to delete the records in WorkflowInstance and WorkflowInstanceScratch? | 21:05 |
@Haarg | what kind of workflows are they | 21:06 |
@Haarg | ? | 21:06 |
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bunniefoofoo | 90% are labeld "get syndicated content" | 21:08 |
bunniefoofoo | 5% are labeld (none) | 21:08 |
bunniefoofoo | 2% are "Sync User Profiels with LDAP" | 21:08 |
bunniefoofoo | priority is all 20/20 | 21:08 |
bunniefoofoo | I have 50 sites hosted, each has ~100-500 waiting workflows | 21:09 |
bunniefoofoo | pasting log extract now | 21:10 |
@Haarg | the get syndicated content should be ok to delete, but you still should track down what is causing the problem | 21:10 |
bunniefoofoo | all of them say "malformed text data" etc in webgui.log | 21:11 |
bunniefoofoo | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72426015 | 21:11 |
@Haarg | what version are you running? | 21:12 |
bunniefoofoo | 7.4.40 | 21:12 |
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bunniefoofoo | pasted line of code with the problem: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f53e85 | 21:22 |
bunniefoofoo | looking at the WorkflowInstance table, the "parameters" fields all look like this "{ "parameters" : {} }" | 21:24 |
bunniefoofoo | which is to say there are no parameters; so JSON::decode_json is throwing up on it? (line 150 Instance.pm) in above paste | 21:25 |
bunniefoofoo | maybe I need to update JSON.pm? | 21:25 |
@Haarg | the parameters it is trying to decode is the database field | 21:25 |
@Haarg | so that entire string | 21:26 |
@Haarg | which should decode fine | 21:26 |
@Haarg | seems like it is not retrieving it from the db properly | 21:26 |
@Haarg | i'm not certain | 21:26 |
bunniefoofoo | well, the field in the db does have newlines in it... | 21:26 |
bunniefoofoo | maybe a text encoding problem? | 21:27 |
@Haarg | newlines shouldn't be a problem | 21:27 |
@Haarg | malformed text data., at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] | 21:27 |
@Haarg | means it is trying to decode an empty string | 21:28 |
bunniefoofoo | is {} legal? shouldn't there be something in there? | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | {} is legal | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | it's an empty JSON hash | 21:28 |
bunniefoofoo | ok | 21:28 |
bunniefoofoo | weird, i will print out the field before parsing to see whats in there | 21:29 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, do you use anything like jt's resetdev or my wg-reset script? | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | I use a slightly customized resetdev | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | Should I be excited about your recent commit? :) | 21:30 |
@Haarg | ok, i just stuck a new version of my thing into svn/tools | 21:30 |
@Haarg | you might be interested | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | sweet! I'll check it out | 21:31 |
@Haarg | it has some additional commands | 21:31 |
@Haarg | and has help now | 21:31 |
@Haarg | so it's not a complete mystery how it works | 21:31 |
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bunniefoofoo | ok I found out more about my WorkflowInstance problem | 22:09 |
bunniefoofoo | when spectre starts, it looks like a whole bunch of workfowinstance objects are new'd and passed the correct field from workflowinstance thable, that is an empty parameters hash | 22:10 |
bunniefoofoo | but when the workflows go to run, a new workflow instance is created with empty parameters hash | 22:10 |
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bunniefoofoo | so I need to look closer at how spectre works I guess | 22:11 |
bunniefoofoo | how can I print a backtrace in perl? | 22:12 |
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Bernd_ | bopbop, do you have a minute to help me harmonize settings for the German forum? | 22:16 |
@bopbop | sure | 22:16 |
BartJol | full room again | 22:16 |
Bernd_ | I do not know what to set for karma and archival | 22:16 |
Bernd_ | What is set for the other fora? | 22:16 |
Bernd_ | I do not have permission to view... | 22:16 |
@bopbop | hang on- I'll head out there and take a look | 22:16 |
Bernd_ | Thanks! | 22:16 |
@bopbop | I'll go ahead and edit the German forum to match, instead of telling you out here | 22:17 |
Bernd_ | Even better. Thanks again! | 22:18 |
@bopbop | Bernd_: you should be set now | 22:18 |
@bopbop | take a look and let me know if you have any other questions | 22:18 |
Bernd_ | Ok, checking... | 22:19 |
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bunniefoofoo | refresher on my workflow problem: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f53e85 | 22:35 |
bunniefoofoo | the problem appears to be that these workflow instances in the database have NULL parameters | 22:35 |
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bunniefoofoo | the NULL is interpreted as an empty string in the resulting database query, which is passed to JSON::decode_json() which is illegal | 22:36 |
bunniefoofoo | the question remains how I should go about fixing this | 22:36 |
bunniefoofoo | I could simply assign empty parameters to all the NULLs in the WorkflowInstance table | 22:37 |
@Haarg | for the syndicated content workflows you should just be able to delete them | 22:38 |
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bunniefoofoo | update WorkflowInstance set parameters='{"parameters": {}}' where parameters is NULL; | 22:44 |
bunniefoofoo | seems to fix the problem | 22:44 |
bunniefoofoo | at least no more error output, don't know if bogus workflows will continue to generate | 22:44 |
bunniefoofoo | is there a script written to run a query on all webgui sites? | 23:08 |
@Haarg | nothing i know of off hand | 23:08 |
BartJol | bunniefoofoo: what are you looking for? | 23:10 |
bunniefoofoo | I have an update query which fixes a bug and I need to run it on ~50 databases | 23:10 |
BartJol | ai | 23:10 |
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BartJol | I'm not an mysql wizard, but can't you do that by logging in in mysql as the admin user? | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | Sounds kind of like a WebGUI upgrade script | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | it would iterate over all config files, then run the query on each one... | 23:16 |
Bernd_ | Yeah, upgrade script! | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | there's an upgrade script skeleton in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades | 23:16 |
Bernd_ | There is a template. | 23:16 |
BartJol | that qould be the other option.... | 23:16 |
Bernd_ | Exactly that one. | 23:16 |
bunniefoofoo | I don't know, I'm not that familiar with mysql either, i guess I should hack the upgrade script... | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | bunniefoofoo, do you know perl? | 23:17 |
BartJol | s/q/w | 23:17 |
bunniefoofoo | yes | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | then you'll be fine | 23:17 |
@Haarg | upgrade scripts themselves don't run on multiple databases though | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | no, they run on multiple config files | 23:17 |
@Haarg | no | 23:18 |
@Haarg | upgrade.pl does that | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 23:18 |
@Haarg | the upgrade script itself only operates on a single config | 23:18 |
@Haarg | is there a way to get xargs to run a command once per parameter? | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | ls something | xargs | 23:19 |
bunniefoofoo | I am looking at "wre/webguiupdate" which runs on multiple configs | 23:19 |
@Haarg | xargs with no params will add all the params for a single run though | 23:20 |
@Haarg | bunniefoofoo, you may have better luck with WebGUI/sbin/search.pl | 23:20 |
@Haarg | it optionally operates across multiple sites | 23:20 |
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bunniefoofoo | offtopic, does anyone know when the arrow keys stopped working in vi, this is driving me nuts | 23:29 |
BartJol | maybe use vim instead | 23:29 |
bunniefoofoo | thanks, I always assumed vim was the default, I guess not | 23:31 |
BartJol | not bnecessarily | 23:31 |
bunniefoofoo | ubuntu defaults to vim-tiny which has the problem I guess | 23:32 |
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@Haarg | vi will sometimes run vim instead, but in that case vim will use vi emulation mode or such | 23:32 |
Bernd_ | perlDreamer, can you tell were default profile fields are defined that are created whenever a new site is created? | 23:33 |
Bernd_ | tell me | 23:33 |
Bernd_ | I am asking, because the showOnline field is still not created when I a create a new site. | 23:33 |
Bernd_ | That is at least true for my local installation. | 23:33 |
Bernd_ | Did I miss some upgrade script here? | 23:33 |
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+perlDreamer | Bernd_: for a brand new site, it would be create.sql | 23:35 |
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+perlDreamer | but it's only in the 7.6 branch | 23:35 |
Bernd_ | one moment | 23:36 |
Bernd_ | brushing my teeth :-) | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | np ;) | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | I'll have some lunch | 23:36 |
BartJol | oh, is it personal grooming time, maybe I should hone my razor | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | you hippy! | 23:37 |
BartJol | there's an IRC channel for that too! | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | did you see that I made some i18n commits for you to fix? | 23:37 |
BartJol | #srp | 23:37 |
BartJol | well, I fixed 7.6.2 | 23:37 |
BartJol | but haven't looked further yet | 23:37 |
BartJol | can't do anthing between versions as far as I know | 23:38 |
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Bernd_ | I am back again. | 23:38 |
Bernd_ | Do I have to add the field to create.sql, too? | 23:39 |
Bernd_ | perlDreamer, having lunch? | 23:39 |
Bernd_ | Can you type with one hand? | 23:40 |
Bernd_ | Hey, I want to go to bed! | 23:40 |
Bernd_ | Hm. | 23:40 |
Bernd_ | Going to bug you tomorrow. | 23:40 |
Bernd_ | Good night! | 23:40 |
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+perlDreamer | Bernd_: Just in case you check the IRC logs | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | The user profile fixes will be included in 7.6.3 | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | I missed the 7.6.2 release deadline | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | if you grab a copy from SVN, it will be in there | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | and I hand tested that the user profile field is added to make sure that it worked correctly | 23:58 |
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BartJol | Bernd is gone perlDreamer | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | Das wich ich schoen | 00:00 |
@Haarg | "$self->log('wtf am I faling for');" heh | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, did the i18n english echo conversation go anywhere? | 00:01 |
BartJol | typing? | 00:01 |
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bunniefoofoo | why would a completed workflow return to the runnable state?, and then run again immediately | 00:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8331 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Removed all instances of srand. This is called implicitily by rand and be dangerous if called mulitple times by the same process. | 00:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8332 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Removed all instances of srand. This is called implicitily by rand and be dangerous if called mulitple times by the same process. | 00:11 |
bunniefoofoo | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6d6300de | 00:12 |
BartJol | bunniefoofoo: what do you mean exactly, it only completes activities (parts of workflows) | 00:17 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: You are a programmer of incredible wisdom and insight. | 00:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: ah, or someone who can read | 00:17 |
topsub | I am trying to write this activity but its winning.. here is my error http://webgui.pastebin.com/m36c9e645 here is my activity. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6ed16394 | 00:19 |
topsub | I also can't seem to get my test to pass it keeps saying "Can't locate object method "create" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::DeleteBroadcast" at DeleteBroadcast.t line 32." but i am using base | 00:19 |
topsub | So am kinda confused as to what ia m doing wrong or what i am missing | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | perl -wc myActivity? | 00:20 |
topsub | DeleteBroadcast.pm syntax OK | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | can you paste the test, too? | 00:22 |
topsub | here is my stripped version with just trying to setup the activity.. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7129a34 | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | Do you see the problem in the test, or when spectre runs, too? | 00:23 |
topsub | when i run the test i get this.. Can't locate object method "create" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::DeleteBroadcast" at DeleteBroadcast.t line 32. | 00:24 |
topsub | that other pastebin error was from running it threw the website | 00:24 |
topsub | when i run the test i dont' see anyoutput into webgui.log | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know why it isn't inheriting, but you can't call create without a workflow Id | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | or an activity Id | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | no, activity Id is fine without | 00:26 |
topsub | hmm i am taking this code from stuff william did | 00:26 |
topsub | not saying he is right | 00:26 |
topsub | but seems we have it in bunch of our activity test that were created before | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | I wrote an activity test. t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.pm | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | there are lots of pitfalls in activities | 00:26 |
topsub | so your saying i need an workflowID | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | well, yes and no | 00:27 |
topsub | seems my problem now is its just not inheriting | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | If it could find create, you'd need a Workflow id | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | does DeleteBroadcast live in /data/WebGUI/lib or elsewhere? | 00:27 |
topsub | lives in /data/site/nci/lib... | 00:28 |
topsub | a custom directory | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | just for kicks, try moving it next to the others | 00:28 |
topsub | like in /data/WebGUI/t/WorkflowActivity? | 00:29 |
+perlDreamer | like /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity | 00:29 |
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topsub | oh wait not my test | 00:29 |
topsub | the workflow | 00:29 |
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+perlDreamer | right | 00:30 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i18n english echo conversation? | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, the idea that for english, i18n would simply always echo what it was sent | 00:30 |
@Haarg | ah | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | with 4 exceptions, the i18n test will locate and tabulate all usage of i18n for you | 00:31 |
@Haarg | well, there's the unsolved problem of what to do for namespaces and the translation server | 00:31 |
@Haarg | the i18n test could be a foundation for that, but it doesn't fully work yet | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | it probably won't ever fully work. But it only fails on 4 i18n calls in all of WebGUI | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | Help lookups, one place in Auth/LDAP and two others that I'm forgetting about, but are documented inside the test | 00:32 |
topsub | ah.. i think my problem was somehow i had a copy of it in the webgui/lib/webgui... directory so it was confused | 00:32 |
topsub | now i get the error "Can't use string ("OZcU-NGUoDbSMnEuFHiIPQ") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135." Does this go back to what you were saying before pd? | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | the translation server should be a no-op, since we're only changing the keys, not the values | 00:32 |
@Haarg | yeah, the translation server itself isn't the problem | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | topsub, probably :) | 00:33 |
@Haarg | it's getting the list of all keys in the future | 00:33 |
SDuensin | Hey, is there an easy way to have the WRE send non-WebGUI requests to another Apache? Currently, I'm making a conf for each non-WebGUI site and it's a pain. | 00:33 |
@Haarg | i need to learn more about PPI | 00:33 |
@Haarg | with the wre by default, all non-webgui content is handled by the mod_proxy server | 00:34 |
SDuensin | Haarg - Yea, but where does it go? :-) Basically I want www.notwebgui.com to be sent to another Apache for handling. | 00:35 |
@Haarg | you can create a different vhost for that domain | 00:35 |
@Haarg | just like are in the .modproxy files | 00:35 |
@Haarg | then you could either have mod_proxy serve the files directly | 00:35 |
@Haarg | or have a redirect with a proxy to direct it to a different web server | 00:36 |
@Haarg | rather, have a rewrite | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, anytime i18n keys are generated programmatically, like in Auth/LDAP.pm, you will never be able to scan for them. | 00:36 |
@Haarg | yeah | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | So I was thinking a list of exclusions that have to be done manually | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | with a STRONG discouragement from doing things that way | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | like losing your SVN commit access | 00:37 |
SDuensin | Haarg - That's what I have now. I was hoping for a "default" if a non-WebGUI site was encountered. | 00:37 |
@Haarg | the other case that isn't currently handled is scoping | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | I know. I can't make Perl::Critic reentrant without violating the module contract | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | but there are only a few scoping errors, and they can be written out | 00:38 |
@Haarg | well | 00:38 |
@Haarg | i don't have a good answer for the test | 00:38 |
@Haarg | but we could do whatever we want for a script using ppi | 00:38 |
@Haarg | it will load the first vhost if you don't have one specified with a matching servername or serveralias | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | Writing the PPI by hand would not be very fun. That's why I chose Perl::Critic. | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | maybe you could ask Chris Dolan's opinion at your next monger meeting | 00:39 |
@Haarg | well, perl::critic makes sense for a test | 00:39 |
@Haarg | i may | 00:39 |
@Haarg | so you can create a file like 000-default.modproxy | 00:39 |
bunniefoofoo | i am still wondering if I can kill all workflows with no ill side-effects | 00:39 |
@Haarg | and it will be loaded first | 00:39 |
bunniefoofoo | i have 11900 workflows and they aren't going anywhere | 00:39 |
@Haarg | bunniefoofoo, you can for the syndicated content ones | 00:39 |
@Haarg | and probably the ldap ones as well | 00:40 |
@Haarg | without knowing what the remaining ones are i couldn't say | 00:40 |
SDuensin | Haarg - But it only does that if it doesn't find a better match? | 00:40 |
@Haarg | yes | 00:40 |
SDuensin | Ok, coolness. :-) Thanks! | 00:40 |
@Haarg | so just have your default vhost in that initial file | 00:41 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8333 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: Added Compare box to Matrix v2 | 00:48 |
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bunniefoofoo | haarg, assuming the sites are not live, can I kill the workflows? | 00:53 |
@Haarg | for the syndicated content ones, yes | 00:53 |
bunniefoofoo | well I did that and still 6600 workflows left | 00:55 |
bunniefoofoo | another option would be to accelerate spectre so it doesn't pause between workflows | 00:56 |
bunniefoofoo | since the sites won't be live when I do this | 00:56 |
bunniefoofoo | right now it only does 1 workflow per second, about | 00:56 |
@Haarg | what are the other workflows? | 00:57 |
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@Haarg | the ldap ones should be ok to remove as well | 00:57 |
bunniefoofoo | they are all hourly and daily maintenance tasks | 00:57 |
@Haarg | ok | 00:57 |
@Haarg | those are all fine to kill | 00:57 |
elnino | hmmm. I have some things that archived in some collaboration systesm. how does someone in marketing find these and "unarchive them?" | 00:57 |
@Haarg | search will find them | 00:58 |
@Haarg | or a direct link | 00:58 |
elnino | assuing you remember the name or the links.... | 00:58 |
bunniefoofoo | example: process recurring payments, sycn user profiles with ldap, expire old subscription codes, "(none)", delete expired sessions, etc | 00:58 |
bunniefoofoo | most of them now are "(none)" | 00:58 |
bunniefoofoo | listed as hourly | 00:58 |
@Haarg | yeah, you can remove any of the maintenance workflows | 00:59 |
@Haarg | you said you are on 7.4.40 right? | 01:00 |
@Haarg | it would probably be a good idea to change the scheduled workflows to all be singleton | 01:00 |
@Haarg | we changed that in 7.5 | 01:00 |
bunniefoofoo | yeah | 01:02 |
bunniefoofoo | if I can get this running without spewing errors like crazy I will upgrade | 01:02 |
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bunniefoofoo | well, I'm down to 450 workflows (deleted hourly/weekly/monthly maintenance workflows) | 01:07 |
bunniefoofoo | I'll let it run tonight and see if these things all flush out | 01:07 |
bunniefoofoo | thanks for the help haarg | 01:07 |
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bunniefoofoo | do I need wre 0.8.5 to upgrade to 7.5.x or can I scrape by on wre 0.7.x | 01:10 |
BartJol | I would upgrade | 01:11 |
BartJol | not sure whether it is absolutely necessary | 01:11 |
bunniefoofoo | I would rather not since it may be tricky to get all the sites integrated | 01:12 |
bunniefoofoo | but I am worried about security issues with old apache/perl/mysql etc | 01:12 |
BartJol | check http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/migration-to-wre-0.8 | 01:13 |
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elnino | hmm. I was hoping to whip upa report that would give me a list of posts/threads that have been archived. but I see no "bit" setting for archived. How does one determine if a post is archived? | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | I believe that you check the asset status. | 01:21 |
elnino | I see the collaboration.archiveafter db field. do you compare that with the "lastpostdate" of the thread?? | 01:22 |
elnino | oh. Lettme look at the asset status. | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | look for "archived" | 01:22 |
elnino | ok. I'll take a look. Thanks! I think I'll post this on the bazzar when done, I would think this would be helpful. | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | Good idea! | 01:25 |
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elnino | hey preaction.. I'm searching for class type "WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread:, and the three threads that I know that are archived, have a assetData.status of "published"... is there another field that you recommend I look at? | 02:28 |
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elnino | hey preaction, don't know if you answered my last question long ago.. Kinda dropped off: I'm searching for class type "WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread:, and the three threads that I know that are archived, have a assetData.status of "published"... is there another field that you recommend I look at? | 06:29 |
elnino | oh. dumb. Hold on. | 06:31 |
elnino | got it. I'm gonig to make a template and post it. | 06:36 |
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Guest69129 | Hi | 17:18 |
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danny_mk | Good day everyone | 17:26 |
danny_mk | anyone using the webservices wobject? | 17:27 |
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danny_mk | three months ago got this new job and I am trying to sell webgui as a viable web development system | 17:28 |
danny_mk | if anyone has used the webservices wobject I could use a little help | 17:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | danny_mk: what's the issue? | 17:29 |
@preaction | heh, it's a hunk of junk :p | 17:30 |
danny_mk | just the "SOAP Call Parameters" I wanted to use the FormParam macro but even when I put a static value in the box | 17:30 |
danny_mk | the webservice does not seem to receive the parameter | 17:31 |
danny_mk | I wrote a small script to test the webservice and it works | 17:31 |
danny_mk | hmmm... maybe I should test a public webservice first huh? | 17:31 |
danny_mk | Hey preaction, has there been any progress on the chat wobject? | 17:32 |
@preaction | danny_mk, none. there are still the two prototypes. one doesn't have many features, but is stable and fast. the other has lots of specific features and is slow and poorly-coded | 17:33 |
danny_mk | Would you guys mind if I did it my way? I would like to take it on as it is a much needed wobject in my book | 17:34 |
danny_mk | I was given the code once but it did not even run on my development system | 17:36 |
danny_mk | maybe I need to play with it some more | 17:36 |
@preaction | yes, that was the second prototype i mentioned. the first one was only given at the WUC'07 | 17:37 |
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danny_mk | which one do you prefer? | 17:37 |
@preaction | i wrote them both and they both fulfill exactly what i wanted them to | 17:37 |
danny_mk | LOL | 17:37 |
@preaction | i would think it easier to change the smaller one into something more powerful than to hack the larger one into a more generally useful application | 17:38 |
danny_mk | are they available now in the bazaar area? | 17:38 |
@preaction | no | 17:39 |
@preaction | the one you have will never be in the bazaar | 17:39 |
@preaction | unless you modify it extensively | 17:39 |
danny_mk | OK, where can I get a copy of the small one? | 17:39 |
@preaction | the other one is on http://webgui.tv in the Writing With YUI presentation | 17:40 |
danny_mk | Shoutbox.pm ??? | 17:41 |
@preaction | the Shoutbox.pm | 17:41 |
danny_mk | ah, ok, thank you. | 17:41 |
@preaction | also, YMMV. that code was written for 7.4 | 17:44 |
@preaction | as you can see though, it's insanely small | 17:44 |
danny_mk | it is ok, I can work with that. Will give you an update when I make some progress | 17:44 |
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wgGuest | I have a blog related question, is there someone who might be able to help? | 18:07 |
@preaction | perlbot ask | 18:07 |
@preaction | perlbot? | 18:07 |
@preaction | hell | 18:07 |
@preaction | wgGuest, just ask, don't ask to ask. | 18:07 |
wgGuest | I've got a blog setup on a site, but when I go to add a post I can add a subject, but the WYSIWYG editor doesn't allow me to click into it. It's unresponsive. Any ideas? | 18:08 |
@preaction | is it loading? what's changed? what browser are you using? was it ever working? | 18:09 |
wgGuest | The editor is showing up, I just can't get focus in it actually edit. the only change was adding the collaboration system. I've tried this in FF3, IE7, and some early version of Chrome. And no, it has not worked since I added it this morning, this is the first time I've tried to add a blog. | 18:12 |
@preaction | Are you sure it doesn't have focus? have you tried typing things into it? What version of WebGUI are you using? | 18:13 |
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wgGuest | nope, no focus. tried clicking into it and typing and got nothing. my curson also doesn't switch from an arrow to a text curson when I mouseover the text box. The meta tag in my headers is saying "WebGUI 7.5.27". | 18:16 |
@preaction | can you reproduce on the demo server? | 18:16 |
wgGuest | I haven't tried | 18:17 |
wgGuest | let me give that a shot. | 18:17 |
wgGuest | I'm just wondering if it has something to do with our custom theme | 18:17 |
@preaction | it's possible, which is why you try to reproduce on a different site | 18:18 |
wgGuest | sure, setting it up now. | 18:19 |
wgGuest | Able to edit in the demo environment. | 18:21 |
wgGuest | I'm wondering if maybe there's some sort of onLoad/onDOMReady type JS stuff that I've failed to add to our theme. | 18:21 |
wgGuest | I know I had a similar issue once with Drupal, where I had failed to include something like that. | 18:22 |
@preaction | the javascript for the tinymce editor should get loaded automatically. it is possible that something could be clobbering it before it has a chance to load though | 18:23 |
wgGuest | What sort of things might do that? | 18:24 |
wgGuest | JavaScript | 18:24 |
wgGuest | or layout stuff? | 18:24 |
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@preaction | javascript | 18:24 |
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@preaction | hm... deja-vu | 18:24 |
wgGuest | I guess, being unfamiliar with the WG internals or TinyMCE, what should I be looking for? | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, when making a js i18n object, do you have to specify all the labels that you want to fetch? | 18:27 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, presently, yes | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | okay. | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to try a foray into js this week with some i18n | 18:28 |
@preaction | there are some revisions i want to make, where you can just specify the namespace and get them all back, some page-level caching, and some more intelligent lazy-loading, but that's in the future | 18:28 |
@preaction | wgGuest, i would first check for any JS errors by using Firebug, barring that, i would start set some breakpoints to make sure the tinyMCE was getting initialized properly. | 18:29 |
wgGuest | I see no errors in my Error Console on FF3. | 18:29 |
wgGuest | Firebug makes my computer almost unusable unfortunately | 18:30 |
wgGuest | or at least did when I tried it last, maybe I'm not setting something up correctly though. | 18:30 |
wgGuest | incorrectly, rather. | 18:30 |
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wgGuest | preaction, would my having JS in the body's onload conflict with some handler for TinyMCE? | 18:34 |
@preaction | it might | 18:34 |
wgGuest | any idea on a workaround to get my JS and the TinyMCE JS to both do things onLoad? | 18:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, I seem to recall that there is another event you want to hook into for onLoad, since you can clobber other onLoads. Can't remember what it is. | 18:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | onDOMReady | 18:44 |
@preaction | wgGuest, did you first just try removing your stuff to see if the tinymce loads? | 18:50 |
wgGuest | no, I will do that. | 18:51 |
wgGuest | that has enabled the TineMCE editor, so I guess it's now just a question of figuring out how to do the various onLoad things for mine and TinyMCE's JS. | 18:55 |
wgGuest | Thanks for helping with this. | 18:56 |
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* perlDreamer goes to the gym. | 19:16 | |
Mech422 | wgGuest: Plone uses a 'register()' type js function to allow multiple functions to be called when onLoad() fires... | 19:21 |
Mech422 | wgGuest: perhaps you can do something like that ? | 19:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | Tricky question about the SQLReports and the direct access hash for the template db columns. row.field.name with spaces.value will never work. So if you want to use a direct access to a column, outside of a loop, of a name with spaces, it won't work. Is there any reason we can't replaces \s with _ ? | 19:21 |
wgGuest | Mech422, I actually removed my initialization stuff from the onLoad | 19:21 |
wgGuest | and used setTimeout | 19:21 |
wgGuest | to call that | 19:21 |
wgGuest | but it's still hosing the editor | 19:21 |
wgGuest | TinyMCE loads and is usable for a 2 seconds (the length of the timer on my setTimeout) but as soon as my code runs, TinyMCE stops working, and I'm not sure why. | 19:22 |
wgGuest | my code basically sets up some clouds scrolling in the background | 19:23 |
wgGuest | so I'm not sure if it's because it's modifying the DOM by adding elements | 19:23 |
wgGuest | or what. | 19:23 |
wgGuest | but something in there is doing something TinyMCE can't cope with. | 19:24 |
Mech422 | wgGuest: Hmm - adding elements might piss it off... have you tried running your code FIRST, then tinymce ? | 19:24 |
Mech422 | this way, the dom doesn't change after tinymce is initialized ? | 19:25 |
wgGuest | I'm not sure how to do that, TinyMCE is adding it's onload (or whatever) handler somewhere in its code and I don't have access to that | 19:28 |
wgGuest | it's be added by WG. | 19:28 |
wgGuest | unless you know of a way to tweak that? | 19:28 |
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Mech422 | wgGuest: oh - its not a custom template ? | 19:33 |
Mech422 | wgGuest: I thought you had a custom template you were hacking and could just reverse the includes :-P | 19:34 |
wgGuest | no, it is custom, but the blog editor that uses TinyMCE is generated by WG and it's adding in all of the JS includes | 19:37 |
wgGuest | is there a way to tweak that stuff? | 19:37 |
wgGuest | I am by no means a WG expert. | 19:37 |
wgGuest | but I'm sure that's fairly obvious. | 19:37 |
Mech422 | my understanding is that you can change the template used to display each type of content, as well as the overall page... | 19:39 |
Mech422 | I would probably create a 'custom template' for the blog stuff, and manually build up the js stuff just so I could see what was going on | 19:40 |
wgGuest | I guess I'll have to do some reading on that, I'm not at all familiar with the process. | 19:40 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I think you're good to go with that. No problems with backwards compatibility :) | 20:09 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: that's what knowmad and I concluded | 20:10 |
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+perlDreamer | well, y'all are the pros | 20:10 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8334 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm now allows you to edit existing tabs | 20:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8335 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): SQLReport now replaces field name spaces with hyphens for the direct access template params. | 20:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8336 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): SQLReport now replaces field name spaces with hyphens for the direct access template params. | 20:21 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, perlmonkey2 | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | He's our man | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | If he can't | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | do it | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | We're in deep shit | 20:33 |
knowmad | Aye! Go perlmonkey2! | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | ...That should be an indicator of just how crappy $dayJob is currently. | 20:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | hahahahaha | 20:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I hear there is always a place for you in Madison. | 20:34 |
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+perlDreamer | I have thought a lot about that, perlmonkey2. | 20:35 |
knowmad | hey, perlDreamer hope you're tunneling this IRC conversation :) | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | No. They know that morale is poor. | 20:35 |
knowmad | that sucks but i like that chatter i'm hearing here.... | 20:36 |
bunniefoofoo | is there a way to increase the rate the spectre processes workflows, I don't think it is fast enough to keep up with 70 sites | 20:54 |
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bunniefoofoo | I had 120 workflows waiting last night, now I have 940 | 20:57 |
bunniefoofoo | the sites are not live so I am wondering whats wrong | 20:58 |
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knowmad | you sure spectre is working? | 21:18 |
knowmad | have you run spectre --test? | 21:18 |
@rizen | bunniefoofoo are your maxworkers set to 5, and seconds between workflows set to 1? | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: How do I attach the i18n object to a master/container object? | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | I made a half-hearted attempt to port what was in DataTable for i18n to the AssetManager | 21:37 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, in your constructor do something like this.i18n = new WebGUI.i18n(); | 21:43 |
@preaction | then you can put the namespace and keys you need in that new WebGUI.i18n( ... ) call | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 21:44 |
@preaction | you can also have it run something when it gets the answer back from the server, like your object's real init function | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f6c3f6 | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | Lines 332-344 is the init code | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | and I try to use it on line 64 to i18n the Edit label | 21:49 |
@preaction | ah, that's not OO code, that's functional code | 21:50 |
@preaction | so instead of this, try something like WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n = | 21:51 |
@preaction | then use that to refer to it | 21:51 |
@preaction | ill admit it's a bit clunky | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | for access, WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n.get | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | ? | 21:51 |
@preaction | yeah | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | I was feeling my oats this morning with the i18n issues, but I think for now I'll leave the declunkification of the AssetManager to the masters | 21:52 |
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bunniefoofoo | rizen, it was on workers 3 time between 4, I changed to 5/1 and I'll see if that works, thanks | 21:57 |
@rizen | that will work | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, no go. I'll repaste some more code. | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | after lunch | 22:01 |
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@perlmonkey2 | preaction: what should happen when a user clicks on a package in the assetManager? | 22:51 |
@perlmonkey2 | shoudl it deploy that package to the parent of hte page? | 22:52 |
@perlmonkey2 | or is the problem it deploys to that page, but then also shows view on the new asset? | 22:53 |
@Haarg | sounds like the problem is that it views the new asset | 23:00 |
@Haarg | instead of returning to the asset manager | 23:01 |
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@perlmonkey2 | assets containing other assets is done through lineage, right? So if there is a bug where moving an asset to another asset causes all of its revisions to also move, that would be something altering the lineage of all versions? | 00:00 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, lineage isn't versioned | 00:00 |
@preaction | somehow all the revisions are being placed under the same tagId (located in the assetData table) | 00:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | and it is also how assets know their child/parent relation? | 00:01 |
@preaction | lineage and parentId are how they know, yes | 00:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | if lineage isn't versioned, then when an asset is moved, all of its versions are also moved, rigth? | 00:02 |
@Haarg | moved in the tree, yes | 00:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | then is http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/8837 a bug then? | 00:03 |
@preaction | i wouldn't think of it like that, lineage and versioning do not interact. that's why cut and copy warn you "this change is not versioned" | 00:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh, I'm misreading the bug. Its about moving an asset into a version, not under a new asset. | 00:03 |
@preaction | yeah, it's the WebGUI::Operation::VersionTag screen | 00:04 |
@preaction | www_manageRevisionsInTag or something | 00:04 |
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@preaction | quick OT question: Is it RFC822 / 2822 legal to not have a From: header in an e-mail? | 00:10 |
@Haarg | perlmonkey2: looks like it's a problem in Asset::setVersionTag | 00:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | ah, someone with higher privs than me, can you tell me if force ssl login is set at pb.com? | 00:18 |
Lisette | how to do to get the total price of the cart? | 00:18 |
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+perlDreamer | Lisette: perldoc WebGUI::Shop::Cart | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, no luck with clunky assignment | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n = new WebGUI.i18n( { | 00:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | can an asset get its version id? | 00:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | $self->session->db->write("update assetData set tagId=? where assetId=?", [$tagId, $self->getId]); needs to only update the tagId of the selected tagId, not all assetId's. | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, that's exactly right | 00:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | so now I need to find out how to get the current version tag id. | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | in sql or in perl? | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | in sql, I'd use max versionDate | 00:35 |
@Haarg | ->get('tagId') | 00:35 |
@Haarg | or ->get('revisionDate') | 00:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | where assetId = $self->getId() and tagId = $self->get('tagId') | 00:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | that will get the current version's info and not the last version's info? | 00:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | I guess so. only makes sense. | 00:37 |
@perlmonkey2 | else versioning wouldn't work :) | 00:37 |
@Haarg | hmm | 00:38 |
@Haarg | well, from the look of the ui, it is revision based, not asset based | 00:38 |
@Haarg | so you'd want to follow what it says in the pod for setVersionTag - change only the current revision | 00:39 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, the issue is that it makes an AJAX call, so you need to wait for that to return before you can use any labels. | 00:39 |
@preaction | AJAX is async, so you have to have a callback, hence the "onpreload" event | 00:40 |
@preaction | question for the crowd: Is it Good that we allow multiple revisions of the same asset in a single version tag, or should those be consolidated into one revision? | 00:41 |
@preaction | imho it's more confusing than anything | 00:41 |
@preaction | (having multiple revisions of the same asset in a version tag) | 00:42 |
@Haarg | i'm not sure | 00:42 |
@preaction | i understand the benefits, but i don't think the added complexity is worth it | 00:43 |
@Haarg | added complexity for the user you mean? | 00:43 |
@Haarg | because changing it would involve extra complexity in the code unless i'm missing something | 00:43 |
@preaction | yeah for the end-user | 00:44 |
@preaction | it wouldn't be too much complexity in the code, a hook in addRevision, no? | 00:44 |
@preaction | well, some code in there at least | 00:44 |
@preaction | that may not be the ideal solution of course | 00:44 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, I'm going to need some help with the callback, too. | 01:09 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, okay. basically take everything that was in that initialization function and put it in a new function (initDataTable perhaps). then create the i18n in the original init function and have it have the following additional config: | 01:11 |
@preaction | onpreload : WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable | 01:12 |
@preaction | that should work | 01:12 |
@preaction | if it doesn't, try -- onpreload : { fn: WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable } | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | so the only thing in WebGUI.AssetManager.initManager should be the i18n instanciation? | 01:12 |
@preaction | yup | 01:13 |
@preaction | unless there's something you don't need i18n for | 01:13 |
@preaction | i realize it's kind of a roundabout way to do this, but imho it's cleaner maintenance: it keeps everything in JS. there's more of the asset manager that could be in the JS, and just the data methods are AJAX calls written in Perl | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | I agree. And I like the wholesale prefetch better than a post-init, fetch on demand | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | but it's not working | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | now the whole data table is gone | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | and the error console is empty of everything but sam warnings | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | Here's a paste: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7054bc48 | 01:18 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, trailing comma line 221 | 01:19 |
@preaction | also line 217 | 01:19 |
@preaction | and 351-363 aren't needed | 01:20 |
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@Haarg | perlmonkey2, you around? | 01:36 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m555e3f21 | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | still no datatable | 01:46 |
@preaction | caching problem perhaps? firebug active? | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | no firebug | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | I'll kill my caches on server and client and try agani | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | again | 02:01 |
SDuensin | Evening all. | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | Howdy, SDuensin | 02:08 |
SDuensin | What's the word? I've been out. | 02:10 |
* perlDreamer does not know JS. That's the word. | 02:11 | |
@preaction | Thunderbird! | 02:11 |
SDuensin | JS isn't too bad once you get the hang of it. | 02:12 |
SDuensin | Go crazy and just use ObjJ. :-) | 02:17 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8337 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm Event.pm Wobject/Survey.pm): clean up pod, syntax, warning problems | 03:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8338 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): improved performance of file uploads and changed format of created uploads locations, avoiding case sensitivity problems | 03:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8339 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.3 release | 03:48 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8340 /WebGUI/ (25 files in 11 dirs): Backing out Survey for now | 04:59 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8341 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.3 release | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | No Survey2? | 05:01 |
+perlDreamer | What's up? | 05:02 |
@khenn | I believe survey2 is getting a manicure | 05:02 |
@Haarg | upgrade is messed up | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | I see. Cuticles, nails, buff and polish? | 05:02 |
@Haarg | i'm not going to be able to get it working tonight, so i'm pulling it out so i can release | 05:03 |
@khenn | or that | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | You were close, khenn | 05:04 |
@khenn | close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear bombs | 05:05 |
@khenn | =) | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | What about bean farts? | 05:05 |
@khenn | nope | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | or is that included in the nuclear bomb category? | 05:06 |
@khenn | heh | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | time to transform from overworked chip designer into child hygiene specialist | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | bbiaw | 05:06 |
@khenn | I suppose | 05:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8342 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.3-beta: Release 7.6.3-beta | 05:31 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8343 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.4 dev | 05:31 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8344 /WebGUI/ (25 files in 10 dirs): adding survey back in | 05:31 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:22 |
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ckotil | Any ideas on this workflow error Im seeing after upgrading? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7a55d78d | 16:31 |
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ckotil | could the 'wait until' activity be the reason for the undefined value as a scalar reference? | 16:39 |
ckotil | the wait until activity is missing from my workflows. | 16:39 |
BartJol | I think it cam | 16:40 |
BartJol | can | 16:40 |
ckotil | i sure hope so | 16:40 |
BartJol | if it's undefined | 16:40 |
ckotil | will i need to recreate my workflows to incorporate hte new activity? | 16:40 |
BartJol | if that is the problem, yes | 16:41 |
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BartJol | :) | 16:41 |
ckotil | THanks | 16:42 |
Lisette | anyone knows in which table of database of webgui keeps the data when i add a product in the cart? | 16:42 |
BartJol | well, thank me when it helped | 16:42 |
BartJol | Lisette: several | 16:43 |
Lisette | you can tell me? | 16:43 |
BartJol | depends on what you need | 16:44 |
BartJol | Products are assets, so in the assetData table, in the Product table | 16:45 |
BartJol | maybe more | 16:45 |
Lisette | i need knows that user add a product in the cart | 16:47 |
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Lisette | how to do to knows that user add a product in the cart and which? | 16:55 |
topsub | you want to know when a user adds a product to the cart and what product? | 16:56 |
Lisette | yes | 16:57 |
topsub | One way might to alter the add to cart function to call a macro or something to let you know what just got added | 17:05 |
@rizen | Lisette at any time you can query the cart to find out what's in it | 17:05 |
SDuensin | Hey rizen - Sorry I missed your message yesterday. I was busy being unconscious. | 17:06 |
@rizen | but to have it trigger an event in your code...that's not really likely unless you write your own sku's | 17:06 |
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Lisette | the table is called cart? | 17:08 |
Lisette | he cart does not distinguish a cart for each user? | 17:10 |
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@bopbop | Lisette: I think the cart distinguishes by session, not user | 17:13 |
@bopbop | but that's about all I know | 17:13 |
SDuensin | Hey rizen_ - Sorry I missed your message yesterday. I was busy being unconscious. (Resent since you pinged out.) | 17:13 |
rizen_ | Lisette: if you call my $cart = WebGUI::Shop::Cart->newBySession($session); | 17:15 |
rizen_ | that will get you a cart object | 17:15 |
rizen_ | and then you can call getItems() on the cart object | 17:15 |
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@rizen | that will get you a list of items that are in the cart | 17:16 |
@rizen | for the current user | 17:16 |
Lisette | thanks | 17:20 |
Lisette | and how to do to know when the checkout is successful, the keeps in any table? | 17:22 |
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@preaction | Lisette, once the checkout is successful it's not a cart anymore, it's a transaction. you can use WebGUI::Shop::Transaction to get at it | 17:27 |
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Lisette | i can use this in a macro? | 17:31 |
Lisette | alls transactions are in the table transaction? | 17:34 |
@rizen | yes, but don't query the table directly | 17:34 |
@rizen | use the API | 17:34 |
Lisette | if i need consult that user buy a specific item in any time, i can use the api? | 17:36 |
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Lisette | ? | 17:46 |
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carogray | quick question on looking at list of users in Admin Console | 17:53 |
carogray | good morning/afternoon | 17:53 |
carogray | in the column that says "status" 2 people have "success" in their row | 17:54 |
carogray | what does "success" mean and what about the people who have nothing in the "status" column in their row - what is going with them? | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | lisette: you can use the api for virtually anything you want to ask webgui | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | if you are writing sql queries againt the webgui tables there's a big chance you should be using the api | 17:57 |
@rizen | success means they have successfully logged in | 17:57 |
@rizen | at some point | 17:57 |
Lisette | but how to create the new object? i have do a query with the id? | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | just read the documentation | 17:58 |
Lisette | ok | 17:58 |
@rizen | carogray...it shows you whether their last login was successful, a failure, or if they never tried to log in | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | you proilly want to look at WebGUI::Shop::transaction | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | and WG::S::TransactionItem | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | bye | 17:59 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8346 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): When you move an asset to a new version, only the current version is moved, instead of all of them. | 18:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8347 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): When you move an asset to a new version, only the current version is moved, instead of all of them. | 18:05 |
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Lisette | i can know the transaction specific of an user of a item specific? | 18:46 |
carogray | rizen: thanks for the answers, but does this information get updated when we get an upgrade? One of my editors just tried to login, he has been logging in not frequently but has done so a number of times in the last 2 years and there is no "success" next to his name? | 18:47 |
carogray | in fact..he phoned me cause He couldn't login - wouldn't that constitute a 'failure" he had the right user name but not the right pw | 18:48 |
Lisette | or i have to do process all transaction for a specified user and process all items for each transaction? | 18:49 |
@rizen | carogray: for a full detailed list check the user login history in the admin console | 18:49 |
@rizen | carogray: also note that the user login history only lasts for 90 days, there is a workflow the cleans it up...but you can change that if you like | 18:50 |
topsub | is there an api to add keywords to an asset? | 18:50 |
@rizen | $asset->update(keywords=>"list of keywords goes here" | 18:50 |
@perlmonkey2 | Anyone have any novel ideas on how to resolve this bug? I've look through the db and logs and just don't see how it happened. http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/authentication-problem | 18:52 |
@rizen | it's likely a problem with SSO.pm in Operation or the two SSO buttons in the upper right corner of the plainblack / webgui site | 18:54 |
topsub | ahh thanks rizen | 18:54 |
@rizen | if those buttons got cached somehow..they could cause the problem i suppose | 18:55 |
Lisette | ??? | 18:55 |
@rizen | Lisette: i have no idea what you're asking, and unfortunately i now have to leave | 18:58 |
@rizen | read the API | 18:58 |
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@Haarg | perlmonkey2, i've looked at that bug several times and still can't come up with anything | 19:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: close it as unrepeatable? | 19:06 |
@Haarg | my only thought is that the random number generator created two duplicate session ids, but that seems very unlikely | 19:07 |
@Haarg | i guess | 19:07 |
@Haarg | best i can dome up with | 19:07 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, willing to have another go at it? | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | I'll start trying to get firebug installed | 19:30 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer, i can try to help, but i've got this pesky server performance problem to work out today | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | Okay. I'm just not sure how to go about debugging the js from here. | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | the DataTable in the AssetManager is not showing up at all | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | and the Error Console is empty | 19:36 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, firstly, open Firebug and choose the "Script" tab, then on one of the Options menus there is "Break on all errors", select that and reload | 20:11 |
@preaction | be careful though, that may cause firefox itself to start locking up, so have your Force Quit ready | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | kill -9 fixes all evils ;) | 20:12 |
@preaction | doesn't fix init :P | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: var postJson = 'request=' + YAHOO.lang.JSON.stringify( obj ) ; ---> YAHOO.lang.JSON has no properties" | 20:30 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, you need to include $session->url->extras( 'yui/build/json/json-min.js' ); in the page | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | you mean that JS doesn't drag it its own dependencies, and they have to be manually resolved at the top? | 20:53 |
@preaction | essentially yes | 20:53 |
@preaction | i developed that code before the YUI Loader went stable | 20:54 |
@preaction | and not sure if it is stable yet technically | 20:54 |
carogray | rizen: thanks | 20:56 |
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+perlDreamer | Just came across a good one I thought that I'd share | 22:05 |
+perlDreamer | I tried to start apache and got this: | 22:06 |
+perlDreamer | [Wed Nov 12 11:09:08 2008] [crit] (28)No space left on device: mod_rewrite: could not create rewrite_log_lock | 22:06 |
+perlDreamer | Googling says that I'm out of sockets, but none of the recommended scripts worked correctly, so I hacked them up to get this: | 22:06 |
+perlDreamer | ipcs -s | perl -ane 'next unless /apache/; print `ipcrm sem $F[1]`;' | 22:06 |
+perlDreamer | and it worked | 22:06 |
SDuensin | That's voodoo, man! | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, I'm a command-line voodoo shaman | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | for perl | 22:09 |
SDuensin | Nice. WebGUI + Mac = Painless. | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | All the PB guys dev on Macs. That's why. | 22:11 |
SDuensin | They're geniuses. I knew it. | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | I heard that Jobs gives them a kickback | 22:14 |
SDuensin | Hell. I should get one. Even got my M$ Vista Fanboy coworker using a Mac. :-) | 22:15 |
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SDuensin | He's back! | 22:23 |
SDuensin | That was a hell of a lunch. :-) | 22:23 |
Lisette | i can save data in a different database of webgui in an utility? | 22:35 |
@preaction | Lisette, you can use DBI to connect to whatever database you want, sure | 22:36 |
Lisette | how to do, with $session->dbh? | 22:36 |
Lisette | off course i have $databaseLink | 22:37 |
@preaction | Lisette, if you have a databaselink then do $databaseLink->dbh | 22:42 |
@preaction | er... $databaseLink->db (it's a WebGUI::SQL object, just like $session->db) | 22:43 |
@preaction | or you could use DBI directly: use DBI; my $dbh = DBI->connect( ... ); | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: no more JS errors, but no DataTable either | 22:44 |
Lisette | ok! then i don't need to add of webgui! thanks | 22:46 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, i would next try to make sure my code was being run. By using the Script tab, you can view the scripts (click on the text next to Inspect to see a list of scripts). You can set a breakpoint on the far left clicking in the gutter. | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | roger that, coach | 22:51 |
@preaction | if the initDataTable isn't getting run, it means something's up with the i18n | 22:51 |
@preaction | also, check the Console tab, it should have a list of all the AJAX calls made, along with the response and request data for them | 22:51 |
@preaction | if the i18n ajax call failed, that might cause what you're seeing | 22:52 |
+perlDreamer | what do green line numbers mean? | 22:55 |
@preaction | where? in the console? | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | when inspecting a script | 22:55 |
@preaction | dunno, don't think i've seen a green line number | 22:55 |
@preaction | looks like green line numbers are executable lines | 22:57 |
@preaction | maybe that means you could enter them into the console command-line? | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | I only have green line numbers in the top 20 lines of the file. | 22:59 |
+perlDreamer | No dangling comments or anything | 22:59 |
+perlDreamer | I'll set the breakpoint, in any case. | 22:59 |
+perlDreamer | After setting the breakpoint, how do I rerun the JS? | 22:59 |
@preaction | reload the page | 23:00 |
@preaction | the firebug will keep across reloads or clicked links | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | BP1 hit okay | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | but... | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | a 2nd breakpoint inside the initDataTable function is not hit | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | it's like the preload callback inside the i18n isn't being called | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | onpreload : { fn : WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable222 } | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | no 222's there | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | onpreload : { fn : WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable } | 23:03 |
@preaction | now here's the fun part... set a breakpoint inside www/extras/yui-webgui/build/i18n/i18n.js inside the "success" callback | 23:06 |
@preaction | set it so you can step through it and see if/where it stops running | 23:06 |
SDuensin | Saw some talk about git in here awhile back when I was lurking. PlainBlack still uses SVN, right? | 23:06 |
@preaction | alternatively, you could add console.log("HI"); to various points in the i18n.js file to see what's happening | 23:07 |
@preaction | console.log() gets picked up by Firebug and put into the Console tab | 23:07 |
@preaction | i didn't ask: Did a POST show up in the Console tab? | 23:07 |
@preaction | SDuensin, i believe we'll be moving to git someday | 23:07 |
@preaction | unless you don't want us to, then we'll stay with SVN | 23:07 |
SDuensin | Oh, good. :-) | 23:08 |
@preaction | wait... am i supposed to help you or hinder you? | 23:08 |
* SDuensin was wanting to learn git anyway. | 23:08 | |
SDuensin | Currently yanking down the SVNs of 7.5 and 7.6 though. | 23:09 |
Lisette | if i want to know the id of a product or an asset i do the next? $asset->getId; ?? | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | Yes, Lisette. | 23:13 |
Lisette | thanks | 23:14 |
Lisette | :D | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: console panel is disabled | 23:20 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, that's weird... sounds like a kill -9 situation | 23:20 |
@preaction | or maybe i just don't know, but that's what i do when firebug starts misbehaving like that | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | I think it's working right, I just need to enable the panel | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | are onpreload.obj and opt.onpreload.override optional? | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | alternately, how do I check out this.subscribe? | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | wait a sec | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | when is the callback supposed to be triggered? | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | on a call to get? | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | (crap, meeting in 8 minutes) | 23:22 |
@preaction | the callback is supposed to get called after the AJAX call returns | 23:24 |
@preaction | see i18n.load | 23:24 |
@preaction | it uses YUI Connection to grab a page, and gives a callback to Connection.asyncRequest. this callback then calls the onpreload callback | 23:25 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8348 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed some caching and parsing problems | 23:29 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8349 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/GetSyndicatedContent.pm: a little better handling of scratch variables | 23:29 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8350 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fixes for syndicated content | 23:29 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8351 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm): fixed: ProfileField->formField now uses the correct method for determining if the form field was submitted with the current request | 23:29 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: hmm, does wgd --reset do anything? | 23:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | looking at the code, I don't see anything | 23:55 |
@Haarg | shouldn't | 23:55 |
@Haarg | wgd reset does | 23:55 |
@Haarg | but very little without extra options | 23:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | perl wgd --config-file=.conf reset -d or something , Haarg ? | 23:58 |
@Haarg | well | 23:58 |
@Haarg | if you have it executable and in your path you don't need the perl | 23:59 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: that thing is amazing. There are a gazillion options. | 00:00 |
@Haarg | and if you have environment variables set you don't need the --config-file | 00:00 |
@Haarg | or if you only have one site | 00:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | how long have you been working on that? | 00:01 |
@Haarg | heh | 00:02 |
@Haarg | i don't know exactly, i started working on it before last year's wuc | 00:02 |
@Haarg | and it's just evolved since then | 00:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | well it is a really cool tool to have. the old tools I used all the time, but this thing looks a lot more powerful. | 00:03 |
@Haarg | reset isn't substantially different, but it's set up to have plugins | 00:03 |
@Haarg | and has a basic api for doing simple things | 00:04 |
@Haarg | i have a separate script that combines a set of .pm files into that one script so it is easy to distribute | 00:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8352 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm: encode html entities when used in a setLink or setScript attribute value | 00:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8353 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm: use epoch date for syndicated content items | 00:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8354 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: apply r8351 to 7.6 | 00:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | nice | 00:06 |
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Lisette | the method $asset->getId, shows me an error, how to do to get the id of an asset that i create recently? | 00:21 |
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@Haarg | that is how you do it | 00:23 |
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@Haarg | if it isn't working, there's probably something wrong with how you are creating the asset | 00:23 |
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@preaction | what's the error you get? | 00:25 |
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Lisette | Can't call method "getId" on an undefined value at videoImport.pl line 214. | 00:25 |
Lisette | but i see in the website and the asset are created correctly | 00:25 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam, you're making me dizzy. | 00:32 |
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@preaction | shit... | 00:33 |
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@preaction | oh, wait | 00:33 |
@preaction | humph... should i just let him message someone to get let back in? | 00:34 |
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Lisette | i can call $asset->getId later of create it? | 00:36 |
patspam | perlmonkey2: sorry | 00:37 |
patspam | laptop fighting with my desktop for irc supremacy | 00:37 |
@preaction | didn't know if you were there or not | 00:37 |
Lisette | don't works asset->getId | 00:41 |
@preaction | Lisette, what is the error message you get? "doesn't work" is useless information | 00:41 |
Lisette | Can't call method "getId" on an undefined value at videoImport.pl line 217. | 00:43 |
@preaction | Lisette, that means $asset is undefined. | 00:43 |
Lisette | ok, thanks | 00:44 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8355 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm: better variable name in macro parser | 01:10 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8356 /branch/frank/ (28 files in 11 dirs): lots of changes | 01:10 |
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SDuensin | Evening | 01:56 |
@preaction | evening | 01:56 |
@preaction | i found an Article on my site that takes 556 seconds to render! | 01:56 |
@preaction | i think that makes me awesome | 01:56 |
nuba | scary | 01:58 |
SDuensin | Good lord. | 01:58 |
SDuensin | Hope you're not using my HGR macro. :-) | 01:58 |
@preaction | nope | 01:58 |
@preaction | average time for my articles is 5 seconds. i think something's wrong | 01:58 |
@preaction | and i have a gut feeling it's in my Navigations | 01:59 |
+Radix-wrk | Almost 10 minutes to render one article? | 02:02 |
+Radix-wrk | err.. something is definitely wrong | 02:03 |
@preaction | yeah | 02:03 |
SDuensin | Maybe it's a really good article? | 02:03 |
@preaction | i went to the URL in my browser and it took 30 seconds for a response | 02:03 |
nuba | well, unless you have something like ^sleep(556); on it | 02:03 |
nuba | maybe it calls a macro that does number crunching | 02:03 |
+Radix-wrk | that page is a honeypot for IIS hackers perhaps? | 02:04 |
nuba | like, ^proteinfolding(albumin); | 02:04 |
@preaction | Radix-wrk, no, i wish it were that simple | 02:04 |
+Radix-wrk | I mean, IIS users would expect that kind of delay | 02:04 |
+Radix-wrk | the page is seceding from the site and it's part of it's revolt | 02:05 |
nuba | you mean, like a hunger strike?.. | 02:06 |
nuba | "i refuse to be rendered unless my demands are met" | 02:06 |
nuba | sounds nice | 02:06 |
+Radix-wrk | yeah, it's a plausable explanation anyway! | 02:08 |
SDuensin | What could it possibly want? You're letting it run on WebGUI! | 02:09 |
nuba | maybe thats what spoiled it | 02:10 |
nuba | gets everything all too easily | 02:10 |
nuba | you know what? give that article a day in p*nukeland | 02:11 |
* SDuensin shudders | 02:11 | |
nuba | that lil'punk will learn it the hard way | 02:12 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: Maybe it's time to write the article called, "WebGUI _is_ your problem". | 02:25 |
@preaction | UNPOSSIBLE! | 02:26 |
SDuensin | hehehe | 02:27 |
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+Radix-wrk | Hmm.. anyone know the template variable in the file object template to get the summary field? | 03:00 |
+Radix-wrk | Ahh.. don't worry.. figured it out | 03:03 |
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MikeXYZ | i dont have a ssh option with my hostingprovider.... | 08:52 |
MikeXYZ | can i still install webgui? | 08:52 |
@preaction | MikeXYZ, no | 08:58 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:04 |
+MrHairgrease | greasings! | 16:06 |
SDuensin | How's things? | 16:07 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm trying to compile wre 0.8.5 fow ubuntu 8.10 | 16:08 |
+MrHairgrease | which is kinda | 16:08 |
+MrHairgrease | not very fun | 16:08 |
+MrHairgrease | ubuntu 8.10 comes with a new compiler with more stricter compile flag built in | 16:09 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway | 16:09 |
+MrHairgrease | the result is that I have to patch to much stuff | 16:09 |
+MrHairgrease | that isn't the bad thing though | 16:10 |
+MrHairgrease | finding how to patch em is | 16:10 |
SDuensin | I was just a wimp and installed the existing WRE for Ubuntu. | 16:10 |
+MrHairgrease | woohoo | 16:11 |
+MrHairgrease | mysql compiled without fixing stuff! | 16:11 |
SDuensin | :-D | 16:12 |
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+MrHairgrease | whew, everything compiles now | 17:31 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r8357 /branch/alphamega/t/VersionTag.t: Added tests for versionTagMode | 17:46 |
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* SDuensin cheers for MrHairgrease | 17:50 | |
+MrHairgrease | thanks | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm running ./build.sh --all right now | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | to be sure I forgot nothing | 17:54 |
+crythias | WebGUI is pretty neat. Although, I am having a bit of trouble with "Hide from navigation" override | 17:55 |
+MrHairgrease | but compiling the wre for ubuntu 8.10 surely is a pain in the ass | 17:55 |
+MrHairgrease | what's the problem crythias | 17:55 |
SDuensin | What's the major advantage over the existing 6.06 WRE? Other than it's not built against old stuff. | 17:55 |
+crythias | hide from navigation override for shortcut seems to not function with me. | 17:56 |
+crythias | 7.5.21 | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | well, on my laptop i run 8.10 | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | I guessing the ubuntu crew updated some libs over the last 2.5 years | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | so you prolly can't run the 6.06 wre on 8.10 | 17:57 |
SDuensin | I run 8.10, too. Just didn't bother updating the WRE. | 17:57 |
SDuensin | No. It runs. :-) | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | heh | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | crythias have you checked the changelog? | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe it's fixed in a later version | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | if not post a bug report | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | but first try to reproduce on beta.wegui,org | 17:58 |
bunniefoofoo | should I have spectre and apache/modperl running when I do webguiupdate? | 18:01 |
@rizen | crythias: the overrides work only for display in the asset | 18:07 |
@rizen | it won't work for other assets using the asset | 18:08 |
@rizen | for example, in navigation | 18:08 |
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+crythias | OK, so when does that navigation override option actually work? | 18:08 |
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+snapcount | does the helpdesk in the experimental branch require 7.6 or will it work with 7.5 | 18:11 |
@Haarg | 7.6 only | 18:23 |
* SDuensin keeps drooling on 7.6. | 18:25 | |
@rizen | crythias: i don't know what you're talking about | 18:27 |
@rizen | what version are you looking at | 18:27 |
@rizen | cuz in any recent version there is no specific override for it | 18:27 |
@rizen | there's the overrides tab | 18:27 |
@rizen | which will allow you to generically override anything | 18:27 |
@rizen | but again, that only helps you if you're overriding something for display | 18:28 |
@rizen | SDuensin: why are you drueling over 7.6 | 18:38 |
SDuensin | It has nice shiny new toys! | 18:39 |
@rizen | so does that mean that you always drule over every new version? | 18:40 |
SDuensin | Of course! | 18:40 |
* MrHairgrease drools over wobbly windows | 18:41 | |
@rizen | snapcount: are you in need of a helpdesk app? | 18:41 |
* SDuensin had wobbly windows on one of those tiny Eee laptops. Sweet! | 18:41 | |
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@rizen | interesting. you guys drool over software features | 18:43 |
@rizen | while i drool over hot women. =) | 18:43 |
* perlDreamer wipes his chin | 18:43 | |
+perlDreamer | How about women who write software? | 18:43 |
@rizen | as long as they're hot | 18:43 |
SDuensin | Well, I *got* women. :-P | 18:43 |
@rizen | me too | 18:44 |
@rizen | that doesn't mean i don't want more | 18:44 |
@rizen | =) | 18:44 |
@rizen | my middle name is "greed" | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen: inot software features. I just happen to have a _very_ thin screen | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | I thought your middle name was "porn-flavored" | 18:44 |
@rizen | hehe | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | ah greed | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | I always wondered what that T stood for | 18:45 |
@rizen | i season all my food with porn flavorin | 18:45 |
@rizen | g | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | T isn't his middle name | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | His name is JT P Smith | 18:45 |
* MrHairgrease doesn't care what rizen eats | 18:45 | |
+MrHairgrease | as long as I don't have to watch | 18:45 |
ckotil | wierd. asset manager works on https, but not on http | 18:47 |
@rizen | ckotil: that's a switch i installed just for your site | 18:47 |
ckotil | Im not so sure. asset manager works fine on http on my dev site | 18:48 |
SDuensin | Damn. Figures I was in another window when the porn talk started. | 18:49 |
ckotil | ah, it has to be due to my apache settings. the fancy rewriting. http works on my other domains, just not my primary. | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: this new bug sounds like your Nav slowness from yesterday: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9096 | 18:51 |
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ckotil | any YUI enabled templates built into the 7.5.32? | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 19:00 |
ckotil | i just looked for nav templates w/ YUI but didnt see any | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | Shop | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | EMS | 19:00 |
ckotil | asset manager. | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | Yes | 19:00 |
ckotil | cool. | 19:00 |
ckotil | i think someone has a free YUI nav template in the baazar | 19:00 |
ckotil | webgui app store, heh. | 19:01 |
+snapcount | rizen: yeah we're looking to put everything in WebGUI | 19:01 |
+snapcount | including our helpdesk | 19:01 |
+snapcount | which is currently a standalone program | 19:01 |
SDuensin | Me too, snapcount. | 19:01 |
ckotil | We have all of our help desks documentation in webgui | 19:01 |
ckotil | all of engineerings documentation as well | 19:02 |
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danny_mk | Good day | 19:02 |
@rizen | snapcount: the helpdesk is a great app, just know that if you use it, it's experimental. there's no support on it at all. | 19:02 |
+snapcount | I see | 19:03 |
ckotil | ohh, a new asset? | 19:03 |
+snapcount | is it a planned feature for 7.6? | 19:03 |
+snapcount | or is it planned for a later release | 19:03 |
@rizen | no, it's not planned to go into any release at this point | 19:03 |
@rizen | it was built for our site specifically | 19:03 |
+snapcount | ok so that's the diff between beta and experimental? | 19:03 |
@rizen | however, there is an RFE out there to get it into some other release | 19:03 |
@rizen | there's also an RFE to put the bazaar into the core | 19:04 |
+snapcount | both great tools | 19:04 |
+snapcount | also more to support and maintain =D | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I found it. | 19:04 |
@rizen | they're experimental because they don't live up to the standards necessary to make it into the core | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | AjaxI18N is not added to the user's webgui.conf file | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | so when it does a POST, it doesn't get back AJAX | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | it gets the home page | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | which parseJSON does not like in the least | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | (kind of like Roast Beast, which is a feast I can't stand in the least) | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | Let me see if adding it helps out a big | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | bit | 19:05 |
+snapcount | unless of course your homepage consists entirely of properly formed JSON | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | then I'll post an upgrade script | 19:05 |
SDuensin | Try Perfectly Normal Beast. As a sandwich. | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | Sliced thin, with a bit of au jus? | 19:05 |
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AMH_henry | rizen: i'm merging changes back to head.. should updates for tables etc. go into upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl? | 19:07 |
@rizen | yes please | 19:07 |
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danny_mk | alright, looking at the Google: doGoogleSearch WS template I see that there are variables set for the results. If a webservice returns a structure such as [ { one => "one", two => "two" }] what should the tmpl_var values within the template be? | 19:13 |
danny_mk | I thought they would be <tmpl_var one> <tmpl_var two> | 19:13 |
danny_mk | and these should be within the <tmpl_loop results> loop | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | danny_mk: Have you read the friendly, online template docs? | 19:14 |
danny_mk | I have | 19:14 |
danny_mk | I am pretty familiar with HTML::Template | 19:14 |
danny_mk | however the results of WSClient are unclear | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | It says that you get back a loop called results | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | results are paginated | 19:16 |
danny_mk | alright, let me play around with it a bit. I will let you know how it works out. Boss calling for a meeting ...brb | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | you've checked the error variables to make sure that there were no fetching or decoding problems? | 19:17 |
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+perlDreamer | nice test, AMH_henry! | 19:27 |
BartJol | Hi I've got a problem in 7.3.22 with an asset that won't be edited | 19:27 |
BartJol | MrHairgrease also doesn't get it | 19:28 |
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BartJol | it is not locked | 19:28 |
BartJol | in the db the settings for editing are set to admin | 19:28 |
BartJol | the ownerId to | 19:28 |
BartJol | too | 19:29 |
BartJol | and I'm admin | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | what happens when you try to edit it? | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | and what kind of asset is it? | 19:29 |
BartJol | it's a page layout and it says that I have not sufficient rights | 19:29 |
BartJol | privileges | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | webgui.log messages? | 19:30 |
BartJol | nope | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | You're sure that it is not locked? | 19:32 |
BartJol | probably something happened with a group that was set to edting rights that hs been deleted | 19:32 |
BartJol | quite sure | 19:32 |
BartJol | well, I just did a commit, maybe that got stuck | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | that could be | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | although it would give you a different message | 19:33 |
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BartJol | can I check in the db whether it is locked? | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:33 |
BartJol | status is approved | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | what is in the isLockedBy column? | 19:34 |
BartJol | which table? | 19:35 |
BartJol | I'm looking in assetData | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | asset table | 19:35 |
BartJol | it says NULL | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | NULL is good | 19:36 |
BartJol | stateChanged seems a bit old | 19:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r8358 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Merged versionTagMode support from amh development branch. Upgrade scripts not updated yet | 19:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r8359 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: Updated upgrade script for versionTagMode support | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 19:37 |
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+perlDreamer | obviously, it is something MrHairgrease did, BartJol, so follow up with him | 19:44 |
* MrHairgrease didn't do it | 19:44 | |
BartJol | well, he didn't touch it before it was broken | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | That's bad. He broke it and doesn't even know about it. | 19:45 |
BartJol | so I can support him for his cliam for not guilty | 19:45 |
BartJol | noe perlDreamer, that's me | 19:46 |
BartJol | I do such stuff | 19:46 |
BartJol | but this time, even that wasn't the case | 19:46 |
* perlDreamer too | 19:46 | |
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+MrHairgrease | crapass wireless.... | 19:47 |
BartJol | ah, like in that hotel/conference centre | 19:47 |
BartJol | in the groups table, some fields are not null, but empty | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | that's usually okay | 19:50 |
BartJol | so, explain the problem, without having a look at the db or error logs.... | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | huh? | 19:52 |
BartJol | sorry, i'm getting a bit fed up with it all | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | You have a page layout that won't let you edit it | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | You are Admin, so this is offensive | 19:53 |
BartJol | indeed | 19:53 |
BartJol | aaffirmative | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | can you paste the db entries from the assetData and asset table for this asset? | 19:53 |
BartJol | sure | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: adding the AjaxI18N handler cleaned up errors in the console, but didn't help with the DataTable | 19:54 |
BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m751fb917 | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, please sort that by revisionDate | 19:56 |
BartJol | oh, nou I've thrown away the asset table data | 19:57 |
BartJol | and it's back | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | like, it's back and working? | 19:59 |
BartJol | no | 19:59 |
BartJol | it is still broken | 20:06 |
BartJol | but I have to go and called the customer that I had only 5 minutes left, so he kept talking to me on the phone for 10... | 20:08 |
BartJol | instead of letting me work | 20:08 |
BartJol | starnge fellows | 20:08 |
BartJol | but sorry I really have to go | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | ok | 20:10 |
BartJol | so unless you really feel like it, stop looking at it | 20:10 |
BartJol | maybe I'll be back tonight | 20:10 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8360 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: do not make a user object unless it is needed | 20:13 |
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@perlmonkey2 | is there a perltidy ruleset we're supposed to use? | 20:24 |
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+crythias | rizen: I'm at 7.5.21 | 20:28 |
+crythias | I have an asset shortcut on a different page layout | 20:28 |
+crythias | I click th asset-container (edit) and click |Overrides| | 20:29 |
+crythias | I click (edit) on Hide from navigation | 20:29 |
+crythias | then "Hide from Navigation? (*) Yes ( ) No and [save] | 20:30 |
+crythias | not the asset-container, but the shortcut container of the asset. | 20:31 |
+crythias | the ... nm.. I had to hide the shortcut from navigation | 20:32 |
+crythias | In any case, I can't see how that "override" does anything visible. | 20:34 |
@preaction | it changes how the asset inside the shortcut works | 20:35 |
@preaction | so if you override Title for example, that'll be visible | 20:35 |
+crythias | Yes, yes, but the override for navigation does ntohing | 20:35 |
+crythias | nothing | 20:35 |
@preaction | but it was the Shortcut itself that showed up in the navigation | 20:36 |
+crythias | I'm not disagreeing with that, preaction. | 20:36 |
@preaction | that does seem weird | 20:36 |
@preaction | the overrides aren't necessarily guaranteed to work. you can override the URL and that'll probably break the thing | 20:37 |
+crythias | hrm. | 20:37 |
+crythias | hey.. I know I can do this myself... is there any other reason the (edit)(cut)(copy) aren't/can't be in the clickndrag bar of an asset? | 20:38 |
@preaction | i can't think of one | 20:39 |
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danny_mk | OK, back | 20:40 |
danny_mk | perlmonkey2: were you trying to answer my question about the webservice? | 20:40 |
+crythias | OK, I have a hidden asset (a .xml file) that I'd like to edit without remembering the URL or going through Assets or unclicking [x] hiddenasset.xml | 20:41 |
+crythias | I wonder ... is it possible to have hidden assets show up like redirects show up? | 20:42 |
+crythias | that is, no "content" but the (edit)(cut)(copy) line? | 20:43 |
@preaction | crythias, not on the page, no, but that might be a nice feature | 20:45 |
@preaction | something like the toolbar, the title, and then (hidden). perhaps with a button to hide/unhide? | 20:46 |
+crythias | I was looking at Default Page template | 20:46 |
+crythias | preaction: yes. | 20:46 |
+crythias | Like I said, I don't mind not seeing the content if it's "hidden" | 20:46 |
+crythias | especially since my goal is to click edit on it anyway. | 20:46 |
@preaction | post the RFE please, i'll see how my tomorrow night looks (feature freeze is in a day or two) | 20:47 |
+crythias | it's already closed | 20:48 |
+crythias | 442 | 20:48 |
+crythias | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/hidden-assets-should-be-seen-in-admin-view | 20:49 |
@preaction | closed as what? | 20:49 |
+crythias | denied by rizen | 20:49 |
@preaction | damn | 20:49 |
+crythias | However, if hidden assets are treated the same way as redirects, I would place that as less of an objection than full content. | 20:50 |
@preaction | yeah, it's possible he was thinking "The entire asset's view() method should show up in admin mode", which would be as he said: confusing | 20:51 |
@preaction | might want to reply to the RFE and mention that | 20:51 |
@preaction | same way as redirects and templates sounds to me like a good idea. plus that button to hide/unhide. i hate having to edit the page layout in order to check the Hide Asset box | 20:52 |
@preaction | it's confusing to me since i can't see what asset i'm hiding, i only see its title | 20:52 |
+crythias | well, I'm not going for hide/unhide in my RFE. At least, not right now. | 20:53 |
+crythias | preaction: if I had a BIG RFE, I'd have thumbnails and drag-n-drop ordering in the Display screen. | 20:54 |
+crythias | and cut/copy/edit | 20:54 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8361 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: Fixed survey migration | 20:58 |
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+crythias | "WebGUI? What's that?" "You're soaking in it." | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, there's one in SVN | 21:38 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: docs/perltidyrc | 21:57 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8362 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Removed some debug statements and perltidied the code | 22:06 |
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bunniefoofoo | I just upgraded to 7.5.32 from 7.4.40 and the calendar list view is broken: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m14bb94fc | 22:42 |
@preaction | bunniefoofoo, it can't find your template for some reason | 22:42 |
@preaction | or rather, you don't have a tempate in that field | 22:43 |
@preaction | if you open the edit screen of the Calendar and just click "Save" right away, that should fix the problem | 22:43 |
bunniefoofoo | ok, i'll go deeper, thanks | 22:43 |
@preaction | but still post a bug, that field should be auto-filled | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: re AssetManager i18n. After instanciating the i18n object, do I need to do anything to it? | 22:47 |
@preaction | nope, it should call load() all by its self | 22:47 |
@preaction | is it? | 22:47 |
@preaction | that' WebGUI.i18n.load of course | 22:47 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | I've even single stepped into the YUI JS to trace the loading, but it's really hard to do that since it's all newline eliminated | 22:54 |
+perlDreamer | All I know at this point is that the i18n onpreload callback isn't being called | 22:54 |
+perlDreamer | can I just init the thing directly instead? | 22:54 |
@preaction | no, because you won't have the i18n labels. you have to wait | 22:55 |
@preaction | let me see the code again? | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | pastification on the way | 22:56 |
+perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2952562a | 22:57 |
@preaction | ok, one sec | 22:59 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer, are you also loading the i18n.js in the asset manager? | 23:08 |
@preaction | i'm testing your code and i see the database, but it doesn't load correctly cuz there's an error | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | Yup, loading yui-webgui/build/i18n/i18n.js | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | and json-min | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | I could commit the change to the Content handler since it's inocuous | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | without the corresponing JS changes | 23:13 |
@preaction | so you see nothing then? no column headings? no "Loading..."? | 23:15 |
@preaction | does the Console tab show a | 23:15 |
@preaction | POST request? | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | Only Loading.... | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | Post request is okay, and has the right key | 23:15 |
@preaction | okay, so the initDataTable is being called | 23:16 |
@preaction | so you're seeing what I saw | 23:16 |
@preaction | are you sure there's no errors showing up? | 23:16 |
@preaction | i saw an error, your .get call only says "edit", when it needs "Asset","edit" | 23:16 |
@preaction | so it tries to get the namespace "edit" and fails, and throws an error | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | that's weird | 23:18 |
@preaction | so yes, if you change line 66 to have this instead: WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n.get('Asset','edit') | 23:26 |
@preaction | it should work | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | w00t! | 23:29 |
SDuensin | Random annoying question: Any sign of PayPal in 7.6.x yet? | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | No | 23:29 |
SDuensin | Random annoying thanks! | 23:30 |
@preaction | SDuensin, not so far. someone had promised to do so, but they've since disappeared | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | You haven't written it yet ;) | 23:30 |
@preaction | i haven't disappeared though | 23:30 |
SDuensin | I'm working on a contract at the moment that wants it, so you never know. :-) | 23:31 |
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@preaction | so the safety routines of WebGUI::Session::Stow->get are apparently extremely slow | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | safety routines? | 23:49 |
SDuensin | Ok, back after the commute from hell. Later all. | 23:49 |
@Haarg | it also doesn't match the pod | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, oh yeah. How about using Clone? | 23:49 |
@Haarg | also seems odd that it doesn't work with cache | 23:50 |
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+perlDreamer | Stow is basically a cache, I guess. | 23:50 |
@Haarg | aren't there things that use stow for non-cache things? | 23:50 |
@preaction | there shouldn't be | 23:50 |
@preaction | stow is a caching mechanism, nothing else | 23:50 |
@preaction | it is not a way to hack global variables or share variables | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | Stow has always had that line in there | 23:51 |
@Haarg | dataform used to do that | 23:51 |
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@preaction | yeah, and i believe JT was pissed about it | 23:51 |
@Haarg | gone now, but i was thinking other areas might have done that as well | 23:52 |
@Haarg | pod says you get references you can modify though | 23:52 |
@preaction | they shouldn't, as pd said that line's been there in forever | 23:52 |
@preaction | heh, nice | 23:53 |
@preaction | well shit | 23:53 |
@Haarg | Clone or Storable::dclone would be a better approach though if we want safe references | 23:53 |
@preaction | i'm thinking of adding an options hashref and one of the options being "nocopy" or "copy => 0" | 23:53 |
@preaction | Clone says it's faster, i'm going to find out how much faster | 23:53 |
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@Haarg | and really, if we want safe references it should do a clone on set as well | 23:54 |
@preaction | i'm thinking that if the routine isn't going to change the reference, we don't need to make a copy | 23:54 |
@Haarg | Clone says dclone is faster | 23:54 |
@preaction | so we can save ourselves a bit there | 23:54 |
@preaction | "For a slower, but more flexible solution see Storable's dclone()." | 23:55 |
@Haarg | but if you store a ref then modify it afterward | 23:55 |
@Haarg | bleh | 23:55 |
* Haarg no read good | 23:55 | |
@preaction | yeah, i see your argument for set, and that i can see not needing an option | 23:55 |
@preaction | but would you agree that an option to not clone on get would be a good idea? | 23:56 |
@preaction | i mean, the datastructure i'm talking about is the group stow, which can grow to a huge hash by the time a single request is completed | 23:56 |
@preaction | i was also thinking of using Readonly::XS and just making everyone else do copying if they need it | 23:57 |
@preaction | hm... maybe not as cool | 23:59 |
@Haarg | Readonly::XS (vs Readonly) wouldn't really get you much for speed in this case | 23:59 |
@Haarg | since it is a data structure | 23:59 |
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@preaction | it's a reference though... oh. you can't modify the reference, but you can modify the data structure being referenced | 00:00 |
@Haarg | Readonly::XS only works for scalars | 00:00 |
@Haarg | read only hashes and arrays are still handled via tie | 00:01 |
@preaction | right, a reference is a scalar. so you can't change what structure the reference is pointing to, but you can still change the underlying structure | 00:01 |
@Haarg | i'm not really certain of the best solution | 00:02 |
@Haarg | having an option flag seems like it could be ok | 00:03 |
@preaction | i'm thinking Clone | 00:03 |
@Haarg | how fast is clone? | 00:03 |
@preaction | i'm going to find out | 00:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | On the wiki, what is the expected behavior as apposed to this bug: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/tinymce-overview | 00:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | Should this be a case where there are three divs, one for each button, and the non-selected two are hidden? | 00:05 |
@Haarg | yeah | 00:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, should be a simple fix :) | 00:05 |
@Haarg | the html in that page is malformed | 00:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh noes! | 00:05 |
@Haarg | in the wiki page that is | 00:05 |
@Haarg | we don't have a simple solution for that | 00:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, I bet something I did broke it | 00:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh | 00:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | then I'll skip that one. | 00:05 |
@Haarg | heh | 00:06 |
@Haarg | or not | 00:06 |
@Haarg | sorry, i was assuming it was a problem i had seen before | 00:06 |
@Haarg | let me look at it quick | 00:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay | 00:06 |
danny_mk | Hmmm.... I have a bit of a problem here deciding weather I should report an issue as a bug or an RFE | 00:07 |
@preaction | danny_mk, what's the issue? | 00:08 |
danny_mk | While using the webservice objec I found out that if the webservice returns a structure like [ {one=>"first value", two=>"Second value},{three=>"Third...",fourth=>"fourth..."}] | 00:09 |
@preaction | you can report a bug but it won't get fixed | 00:09 |
@preaction | the WSClient is a pile of junk that simply does not work | 00:09 |
@preaction | last i heard it was getting removed | 00:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | maybe you should rewrite it? | 00:10 |
danny_mk | it gets placed in the results: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6bd644d9 | 00:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | Use some R&D time and make it super-sexy | 00:10 |
danny_mk | I had to, my boss was on my shit about getting this working | 00:10 |
@preaction | yeah, there's going to be a replacement, but it won't be SOAP, it'll just be XML | 00:10 |
danny_mk | Did you see the pastebin stuff? | 00:11 |
@preaction | also, there are far more pressing things I want to do for my own R&D | 00:11 |
@preaction | looks like a UTF-8 mishap | 00:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | the ability to use web services seems kind of important though | 00:11 |
@preaction | what are "web services" though? | 00:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, I don't think that has anything to do with the asset. | 00:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | I thought there were specs? | 00:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | soap and xmlrpc or something? | 00:12 |
@preaction | there are, dozens of different protocols | 00:12 |
@preaction | DAV is one, for example | 00:12 |
@preaction | SOAP | 00:12 |
@preaction | or just straight-up XML | 00:12 |
@preaction | XMLRPC is like SOAP | 00:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | except makes a crapload more sense | 00:13 |
@preaction | with SOAP you need a WSDL file to actually figure out how to use the service | 00:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | soap is so tedious it has had me pondering self eyeball mutiliation before | 00:13 |
@preaction | SOAP is a way to send messages really. a protocol, not an interface | 00:13 |
@preaction | so if the SOAP server returns a scalar, what do you do? how about an array? an array of hashes? a hash of arrays? an array of arrays of hashes of arrays? | 00:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | but what do users want and need? | 00:14 |
@preaction | some of these things can't be represented by HTML::Template | 00:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: well I thought it was up to the user to make sure their template could consume the data? | 00:14 |
@preaction | i argue that if users want/need, they'll put their money where their mouth is | 00:15 |
@preaction | but many SOAP interfaces aren't controlled by the user | 00:15 |
@Haarg | but the data can't even be passed to html::template sometimes | 00:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | I like the way you thing | 00:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | think | 00:15 |
@preaction | and the WSClient can't even handle certain data, like one simple scalar | 00:15 |
@Haarg | i'm going to spend some r&d time on wsclient | 00:15 |
@Haarg | removing it from webgui, that is | 00:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | heh | 00:15 |
danny_mk | my template can consume the data | 00:16 |
@preaction | it could use a rewrite and then could work, but i'm for removing it and letting it stew until it's ready to be added again | 00:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | danny_mk: it looks like you have an encoding issue. | 00:17 |
danny_mk | however it can't figure out an anonymous array within an array for tmpl_loop, what would be the loop name if there is no name for the internal array? | 00:17 |
danny_mk | that is a minor problem right now | 00:17 |
danny_mk | the bigger issue is the array within the array | 00:17 |
@preaction | danny_mk, that's a limitation of the WSClient. you'll have to code for it | 00:17 |
@preaction | the only real solution to the problem is, i think, a way to parse the WSDL and then map the template vars using the data in the WSDL | 00:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | your example was two hashes in an array? | 00:18 |
danny_mk | yes | 00:18 |
danny_mk | preaction: that is what I did | 00:18 |
@preaction | danny_mk, no, because the WSClient does not do that | 00:19 |
@preaction | im talking an interface where you picked a certain piece of the data structure and assigned it a variable | 00:19 |
danny_mk | I did it in WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate | 00:19 |
danny_mk | Which is not the way to go because it has nothing to do with the results variable anyway | 00:21 |
danny_mk | however, that is the way I had to deal with it for now. | 00:21 |
danny_mk | More than likely I will have to deal with it in: $template->prepare($self->getMetaDataAsTemplateVariables); which is in WSClient.pm | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: Do you know if it's possible to i18n the paginator results? | 00:40 |
@preaction | i believe you can change the labels in the yahoo paginator widget, yes | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | I'll check the docs | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | I should be able to handle that much | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | I hope... ;) | 00:41 |
@preaction | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/paginator/ | 00:41 |
@preaction | ... i'm not optimistic... this new Paginator seems wonky | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | I'm willing to close the bug with just Edit and More i18n'ed | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | but it's BartJol, so I'd like to dig just a bit deeper | 00:43 |
@preaction | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/paginator/pag_configuration.html <- looks like there are lastPageLinkLabel, previousPageLinkLabel, nextPageLinkLabel etc... configuration options for the Paginator class | 00:46 |
@preaction | so uh.. why would using Clone make my page unrenderable? | 00:47 |
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@preaction | ... so apparently we can't use Clone or Storable::dclone | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | I just used Clone a little while ago... | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | In the update method of Asset.pm | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | worked fine | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | use Clone qw(clone); | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8324 | 00:49 |
@preaction | i'm using it in Stow, dclone seems to choke on CODE refs, so i'm wondering if thats the case with clone | 00:50 |
@preaction | we should add Clone to testEnvironment in case one of the other reqs that use it stop using it | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | Just as long as people understand that we're not adding new prerequisites, and just taking advantage of an existing one. | 00:52 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added skeleton Survey2 test file. | 01:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Changed debug logging from ERROR level to DEBUG | 01:03 |
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@preaction | is it correct to assume that any of the WebGUI::Session::* modules should not use Stow | 01:09 |
@preaction | since they exist for the entire duration of the request, you can just $self->{whatever} on them | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | No, they should encapsulate | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | The more of that direct object hash stuff we do, the worse we'll be off if we switch to C::IO, or even Perl6 | 01:12 |
@preaction | okay, we're only talking milliseconds here anyway | 01:13 |
@preaction | it's the 5.5 SECONDS for the other 400 calls to stow that are my problem | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | Is Clone really that slow? | 01:13 |
@preaction | 200 calls take 5ms, 400 other calls take 5.5s | 01:13 |
@preaction | no, this is the old code | 01:13 |
@preaction | Clone doesn't work, period | 01:13 |
@preaction | dclone yells about CODE refs | 01:13 |
@preaction | so i assume that's the same problem Clone is having | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | who is storing sub refs in Stow? | 01:14 |
@preaction | i don't know | 01:14 |
@preaction | doesn't matter though, we allowed it so we have to keep allowing it | 01:15 |
@preaction | the problem is the huge isInGroup data structure | 01:15 |
@preaction | ... what if there were a way to get a part of a data structure instead of the whole thing? | 01:16 |
@preaction | too complicated. imma add a flag to turn off the cloning | 01:16 |
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@Haarg | when was the cloning added? | 01:16 |
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@preaction | Haarg, revision 7152 | 01:20 |
@preaction | 2008-08-02 | 01:20 |
@preaction | so, in this dev cycle it seems | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | that might have been part of the fix for the group method that I talked about at the WUC | 01:21 |
@preaction | it is a fix, i'm not denying that | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | just that it's dog slow | 01:21 |
@preaction | yeah | 01:21 |
@preaction | and there's no way to fix it at the source | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | "source"? | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | I'll see if I can't find where the code refs are coming frow | 01:23 |
@preaction | but we can't stop them, it would break compatibility | 01:24 |
@preaction | the source being stow::get | 01:24 |
@Haarg | there's $Storable::Deparse | 01:25 |
@Haarg | but that would probably be worse than disallowing code refs | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | I'm not finding where wG stores code refs | 01:29 |
@preaction | maybe it stores objects? | 01:30 |
@Haarg | do you have an example of it failing? | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | It stows VersionTag objects | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | although I don't see why | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | that call never seems to be used anywhere | 01:30 |
@preaction | 2008/11/13 16:47:08 - ERROR - alumni.conf - WebGUI::Macro::process[142] - Can't store | 01:31 |
@preaction | CODE items at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Stow.pm line 116. | 01:31 |
@Haarg | can't you dump a Carp::longmess when that happens? | 01:31 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, getWorking | 01:31 |
@preaction | isnt there a way in Log4Perl to get a traceback on certain levels? | 01:32 |
@preaction | that sounds like a nice feature | 01:33 |
@Haarg | yes there is, but i never bothered to figure out how | 01:33 |
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+perlDreamer | No stows used in Macro.pm | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | 1 in Macro/AdSpace | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | and it gets a boolean | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it's in custom code? | 01:35 |
@preaction | uh.. it's in WebGUI::AssetVersioning getCurrentRevisionDate | 01:36 |
@preaction | wtf | 01:36 |
@preaction | line 226 though | 01:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8364 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): begin to i18n the AssetManager. Cannot be backported to 7.5 due to reliance on i18n.js | 01:37 |
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+perlDreamer | that should be a data structure | 01:38 |
@preaction | uh... no, seriously how is that working | 01:38 |
@preaction | it is always treated as a hashref, but i don't see it getting initialized to anything | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | it will autovivify | 01:39 |
@preaction | but it's undef | 01:39 |
@preaction | you can't do anything to undef | 01:39 |
@Haarg | you can in that context | 01:40 |
@Haarg | perl -e'use strict; my $f; $f->{s} = "r"; print ($f->{s}, "\n");' | 01:41 |
@preaction | good lord... | 01:42 |
@Haarg | can you Data::Dumper whatever it is trying to clone that is failing? | 01:42 |
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@preaction | hang on, i seem to have had a mishap with my stupidity | 01:43 |
@Haarg | possibly with $Data::Dumper::Deparse=1 | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: happens to me all the time | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | for example, Session/Stow.pm, line 214 is dead code | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | it will never get reached | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | uh, apparently I'm dyslexic, too. It's line 124 | 01:46 |
@Haarg | with this i'd almost prefer to change the places that use stow to not modify the ref unless they intend to | 01:48 |
@preaction | okay, so the problem is the groupObj structure | 01:51 |
@preaction | it stores a reference to every group created during the course of the session | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | why is that a code ref? | 01:52 |
@preaction | it includes the session object | 01:52 |
@preaction | it's a recursive data structure... | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 01:53 |
@preaction | i haven't found a subref yet though | 01:55 |
@Haarg | session includes the apache request | 01:55 |
@Haarg | there's likely one in there somewhere | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | and that's an easy, fix too. | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | Null the session object in the group where it is stored | 01:56 |
@preaction | how? | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | and add it back in when fetched | 01:56 |
@preaction | ok, i'll try it | 01:57 |
@Haarg | that's an api break though | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | Yes, and it will also break in VersionTag, since it stores a copy of itself there, too. | 01:57 |
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@preaction | how is it an API break? | 01:58 |
@Haarg | because you can't just stuff an object in there | 01:58 |
@preaction | ah | 01:58 |
@preaction | right | 01:58 |
+perlDreamer | we've broken API for bug fixes before | 01:58 |
@preaction | we can't here | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | What about the other option? Using Clone everywhere else? | 02:00 |
@preaction | i like the flag to prevent cloning myself | 02:00 |
@Haarg | what is the issue the cloning was attempting to fix? | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | Being able to manipulate the stow directly/accidently | 02:01 |
@Haarg | technically a flag like you mention is an api break as well | 02:01 |
@Haarg | since the pod says you get a direct ref | 02:01 |
@preaction | the pod is wrong | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | The POD is wrong, and has been for 100 revs | 02:01 |
@Haarg | 100 revs isn't very long | 02:01 |
@preaction | 600+ | 02:01 |
@preaction | it was rev 7415 that cloning was added | 02:01 |
@Haarg | that was an api change though, it just wasn't noted as one | 02:01 |
@preaction | make that 1200 revs | 02:02 |
@preaction | it was added 3 months ago | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | we've been busy | 02:02 |
@Haarg | i get the preventing of accidents thing | 02:02 |
@preaction | (7152-8361) | 02:02 |
@Haarg | but was there an actual bug it was fixing? | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | Yes. | 02:02 |
@preaction | yes, i had added something that assumed i was getting a safe copy | 02:03 |
@preaction | or something like that | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | getGroupsIn | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | and that's why we need to have a safe API. Even experienced devs fall into that trap | 02:03 |
@preaction | yeah, that was returning the refs and perpetuating the problem | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | it actually worked on both ends. setting and getting | 02:04 |
@preaction | i'd agree with you, Haarg, if the bugs that non-safe references cause weren't so god-damned hard to track down | 02:05 |
@preaction | so i say give them safe refs unless they specifically ask for the actual ref | 02:06 |
@Haarg | what about objects? | 02:06 |
@preaction | $obj->clone perhaps? | 02:06 |
@preaction | or do what we're doing now, unsafely return them | 02:07 |
@Haarg | i think unsafe is about the only choice | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | and what about circular data structures? | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | nevermind | 02:07 |
@Haarg | does Clone deal with them? | 02:08 |
+perlDreamer | I'd guess so, it's probably just the apache request like you mentioned that's the problem | 02:08 |
+perlDreamer | but we wouldn't know without more checking | 02:08 |
@Haarg | yeah, and you can't just check if it's an object, else clone | 02:09 |
@Haarg | because what about data structures with objects in them | 02:09 |
@preaction | i'll update the pod to be more accurate, add in the "WARNING: This will ATTEMPT to make a safe copy, but cannot safely copy Objects alone or inside of other structures" | 02:10 |
@preaction | ... what if we added Storable hooks to WebGUI::Session? | 02:13 |
@preaction | how would we get the Apache2::Request object back in... | 02:14 |
@Haarg | i don't hate the idea | 02:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8365 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.33 release | 02:14 |
@preaction | but? | 02:16 |
@Haarg | it's not simple to do | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | and Storable is SLOW | 02:17 |
@preaction | it's faster than my $copy = [ @{ $orig } ] | 02:19 |
@preaction | at least, it has to be... | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | what if we only cloned for simple array/hash refs? | 02:21 |
@Haarg | how do you define simple? | 02:22 |
@preaction | you can't define simple. you'd have to look at it and then you'd be wasting time | 02:22 |
@Haarg | you know what i do hate? democleanup.pl apparently it doesn't do a very good job of cleaning up | 02:24 |
@preaction | we had a problem last night, democleanup.pl took down the box | 02:24 |
@preaction | we had to kill it | 02:24 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8367 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.34 dev | 02:49 |
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metanil | what is 'value' in CheckList ('option' is enough, isn't it?), its derived from Form::Control?? | 03:27 |
@preaction | the value is the currently selected checkboxes | 03:27 |
metanil | ooo.. the keys of the options?? | 03:28 |
@preaction | yes | 03:28 |
metanil | sweet | 03:28 |
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patspam | is the Nav system flexible enough to allow me to create Prev/Next buttons for navigating between nested pages (depth first search)? | 06:15 |
patspam | or do i need to roll my own using AssetLineage? | 06:15 |
@preaction | a macro might be better | 06:16 |
@preaction | there has to be a getNextSibling and getPreviousSibling method | 06:16 |
@preaction | if not, it seems trivial to make | 06:16 |
patspam | ok.. i need DFS though, was hoping i wouldn't have to manually walk the tree too much | 06:17 |
patspam | but i guess with getLineageIterator the performance hit might not be too bad | 06:18 |
@preaction | i think the default order by of getLineage is depth-first | 06:19 |
@preaction | if you order by lineage, it's depth-first | 06:20 |
@preaction | so you could getLineage(...{ limit => 1}) | 06:20 |
@preaction | also, i've been doing benchmarking on getLineage, and it's surprisingly fast | 06:20 |
patspam | excellent | 06:22 |
patspam | but I still have to walk the tree.. for example if my start node is some leaf node, the "next" node might be the parent's sibling, or the parent's parent's sibling, etc.. | 06:23 |
@preaction | ah | 06:23 |
@preaction | then yes | 06:23 |
patspam | unless i generate the full tree from the root and then find my start node in the tree.. | 06:23 |
patspam | but that sounds worse | 06:23 |
@preaction | wouldn't be too bad if you just did it like: SELECT lineage FROM asset | 06:24 |
@preaction | or you could hack it together using lineage as a string | 06:25 |
@preaction | there is WebGUI::Asset->newByLineage, if you can just find the right lineage | 06:26 |
patspam | ok... sounds like i should go read up on how the lineage string is contructed | 06:26 |
@preaction | you have the developer's guide? | 06:27 |
patspam | the source code? | 06:28 |
@preaction | that will work, but the dev guide has an excellent chapter on lineage | 06:32 |
patspam | ah damn | 06:33 |
@preaction | i can save you some trouble, run the query SELECT lineage FROM asset <- it should be readily apparent | 06:33 |
patspam | ahhhhhhh | 06:36 |
patspam | nice | 06:36 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r8368 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Version tag mode: updated help text, changelog and credits. | 11:33 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 14:40 |
SquOnk | Would it be terrible to replace default.ttf (which is currently non-free at all) with another default.ttf which is free? | 15:40 |
SquOnk | Is there any reason why extras/contextMenu is still there, yet empty? | 15:48 |
SquOnk | (I mean, in WebGUI_7.5) | 15:48 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r8369 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/www/extras/contextMenu: Remove empty extras/contextMenu directory. | 16:19 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:30 |
SquOnk | SDuensin: Hi there | 16:30 |
* SDuensin is alarmingly low on coffee | 16:31 | |
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rjacobsen | good morning all | 16:37 |
SquOnk | rjacobsen: Good morning | 16:38 |
rjacobsen | i was wondering if there is a help macro - I have looked under the list of available macros and i dont see it | 16:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | hola SDuensin | 16:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | rjacobsen: what would this help macro do? | 16:40 |
rjacobsen | well... just give a user with limited priviledges the ability to click a "help" button and it would open the help topic I plug into the macro | 16:41 |
@bopbop | couldn't you just do that with a snippet and an asset proxy? | 16:42 |
rjacobsen | probably have to make my own macro... | 16:42 |
rjacobsen | ya | 16:42 |
rjacobsen | just answered my own question lol | 16:42 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8370 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Used WG perltidyrc to clean up files | 16:52 |
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SquOnk | LDAP over SSL stopped working in 7.5.32 | 16:58 |
SquOnk | Net::LDAP->new($uri->host, (port=>$uri->port))) | 16:59 |
SquOnk | If one uses port => ... then handling SSL has to be done manually too | 16:59 |
SquOnk | But if one uses just an URI (the proper one) everything works out of the box | 16:59 |
SquOnk | ldaps://whatever:636 and ldaps://whatever do work | 17:00 |
* SquOnk fixes that | 17:00 | |
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rjacobsen | can anyone tell me where i can find the "controls" asset that is used in "<tmpl_var controls>" please? | 17:43 |
@rizen | it is generated from the getToolbar() method in Asset.pm | 17:44 |
rjacobsen | so there is no asset per say that i can put ^GroupText(Admins, ); around to only show the controls if admins is logged in globally? | 17:46 |
rjacobsen | ...without having to change <tml_var controls> to ^GroupText(Admins, <tmpl_var controls>): on every single template... | 17:47 |
@rizen | if you're even trying to do that then you're probably setting up your site inappropriately | 17:48 |
@rizen | what is the actual problem you're trying to solve? | 17:48 |
rjacobsen | i want to be able to let people add a forum to a message board.... but in order to do such, they have to turn admin on, which opens a whole new can of worms where they can edit, copy, and even delete stuff..... where as if i can just hide the controls, they can turn admin on all day long and not see the controls | 17:50 |
rjacobsen | but still be able to add a forum | 17:50 |
@rizen | why do you need to let them turn admin mode on? | 17:50 |
@rizen | they can add a forum without going into admin mode | 17:51 |
@rizen | provided you give the appropriate privs | 17:51 |
rjacobsen | how else will they have the ability to add a forum? | 17:51 |
rjacobsen | because i have tried everything (that I know) | 17:51 |
@rizen | I assume that you have a Message Board asset that they will be adding a forum to? | 17:51 |
rjacobsen | yes | 17:51 |
@rizen | ok, so make that asset editable by a particular group (i'll call that Group X) | 17:52 |
rjacobsen | right | 17:52 |
@rizen | then edit the template of that message board | 17:52 |
rjacobsen | i do that | 17:52 |
rjacobsen | but add a forum only shows up if they turn admin on | 17:52 |
@rizen | adding ^GroupText(); macro around the add forum | 17:52 |
@rizen | link | 17:52 |
@rizen | and get rid of the <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn> wrapper around that link | 17:53 |
@rizen | then the link will only show up to the people that have privileges to add a forum | 17:53 |
@rizen | and not when they're in admin mode | 17:53 |
rjacobsen | kk ill try that | 17:53 |
rjacobsen | ahhhhhh...... i totally missed the session.var.adminon.......... | 17:56 |
rjacobsen | ty rizen | 17:56 |
@rizen | you're welcome. pay me back by helping out someone else on the forums or IRC sometime | 17:57 |
rjacobsen | i try lol | 17:57 |
rjacobsen | also can you put more than 1 group in grouptext macro? | 17:57 |
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@rizen | no | 18:24 |
@rizen | but you can create a new group | 18:25 |
@rizen | that includes multiple groups | 18:25 |
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Lisette | i do a new payDriver and when i execute shows me the next error..... ERROR - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::URL::Content::__ANON__[62] - Can't call method "canUse" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm line 116. ..... what is my error? | 18:56 |
Lisette | which is the undefined value, which is the value that need the pay.pm?? | 18:59 |
@perlmonkey2 | So what does everyone think. Move the admin tab to the left like the bug says? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/8923 | 19:00 |
@rizen | Lisette: it's exactly the same thing that you hit us up for yeterday or two days ago | 19:01 |
@rizen | you're using an undefined reference | 19:01 |
SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - Can't get the PNG to show up. | 19:01 |
@rizen | why don't you try to actually read the error and figure it out for yourself before posting here | 19:01 |
@rizen | that's one of the simplest errors | 19:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: why, is your screen resolution too low :P | 19:01 |
SDuensin | :-P | 19:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | but really, I don't have any problem with it showing. | 19:02 |
SDuensin | No, but the funny part is - I get taken to the asset screen and the list covers the controls. :-) | 19:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | but it just shows the asset manager header bar overlapping the admin div. | 19:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | hahahhahaa | 19:02 |
SDuensin | Instant screen shot! :-D | 19:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | that is funny | 19:02 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2 it's not a bug | 19:03 |
SDuensin | I can see how that'd be annoying. Don't think it's a bug though. | 19:03 |
@rizen | i've tolder her it's not a bug | 19:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | you da boss | 19:03 |
@rizen | and i'm telling her again now | 19:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, I shall close the bug and relay the message | 19:03 |
SDuensin | The real bug is people using small ass screens! | 19:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | no doubt | 19:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | WG wasn't meant for your PSP | 19:03 |
@rizen | i already did pm2 | 19:04 |
SDuensin | Damn! Guess I'll go back to Windows Mobile. :-P | 19:04 |
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SDuensin | rizen - The stuff you mailed me. Want all the pages back or just the signed ones? | 19:07 |
@rizen | all | 19:08 |
SDuensin | ko | 19:08 |
SDuensin | Scanning! | 19:08 |
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Lisette | ???? | 19:57 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8371 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/wobject/Thingy/thingy.js): fixed #9076: Thingy broken in latest beta, Save and Close buttons missing from Add/Edit Field dialogs | 20:05 |
Lisette | anyone knows the PayDrivers? | 20:12 |
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rjacobsen | afternoon all..... wondering if anyone happens to know what the tmpl_var variable is for the fullsize image asset in the photo gallery.... i know the thumbnail is <tmpl_var thumbnail> and the url to the page it is on is <tmpl_var url> | 21:16 |
@preaction | fileUrl | 21:16 |
rjacobsen | so <tmpl_var fileUrl>? | 21:16 |
@preaction | well, probably. check the help | 21:16 |
rjacobsen | i have looked in the help with no success | 21:17 |
@preaction | ?op=viewHelp;hid=help view;namespace=Asset_Photo <- it's in the "Photo -- Normal View" section | 21:20 |
rjacobsen | ok thanx ill try that | 21:21 |
Lisette | someone can help me? | 21:22 |
rjacobsen | ill try | 21:22 |
rjacobsen | preaction - <tmpl_var fileUrl> brings up nothing | 21:24 |
rjacobsen | let me explain what i am trying to do preaction.... the normal way a photo is displayed in the gallery is a user clicks it to see that thumbnail by itself, and then clicks it again to see it full size in a blank window leaving the webgui site.... | 21:27 |
rjacobsen | i want to make it to where when they click the thumbnail it uses javascript to open a popup window with the fullsize image in the window | 21:28 |
rjacobsen | so | 21:28 |
rjacobsen | i need the url of the fullsize image to pass it to javascript.... and fileUrl doesnt seem to be doing it | 21:29 |
@preaction | rjacobsen, are you using the Gallery asset? | 21:30 |
@preaction | what page are you looking at? | 21:30 |
rjacobsen | yes | 21:30 |
rjacobsen | the photo gallery template | 21:30 |
rjacobsen | photo_gallery | 21:31 |
rjacobsen | can i paste code in this window? | 21:31 |
rjacobsen | if so i will show you what i have | 21:31 |
@Haarg | http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | 21:32 |
@preaction | you mean the Collaboration System photo_gallery? | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | yes preaction | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | <tmpl_loop post_loop> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | <div class="picture"> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | <div style="text-align: center;"> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | <tmpl_if user.isPoster><div>(<tmpl_var status>)</div></tmpl_if> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | <div><a href="<tmpl_var url>" target="_blank"><img src="<tmpl_var thumbnail>" alt="<tmpl_var title>" /></a></div> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | <div><a href="<tmpl_var url>" target="_blank"><tmpl_var title> url:<tmpl_var url> thumbnail:<tmpl_var fileUrl></a></div> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | </div> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | </div> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | </tmpl_loop> | 21:32 |
rjacobsen | that is what it looks like | 21:32 |
rizen_ | rjacobsen | 21:33 |
@preaction | rjacobsen, DO NOT PASTE TO THE CHANNEL | 21:33 |
rizen_ | that's not the gallery asset | 21:33 |
rjacobsen | sorry | 21:33 |
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@rizen | that is a gallery template for the collaboration system | 21:33 |
rjacobsen | ok | 21:33 |
@rizen | There actually is a gallery asset | 21:33 |
@preaction | but yes, that's not the Gallery asset, and i doubt you'll be able to do what you want with it | 21:33 |
@preaction | there's also a migration script | 21:33 |
@preaction | rjacobsen, did you try using "url" for your purposes? | 21:35 |
@preaction | the URL to download an image is the URL of the image | 21:35 |
rjacobsen | right... the problem is we have like 50+ websites, so I am trying to edit the main template so it affects all the sites without having to do each individual site | 21:36 |
@preaction | i don't understand. you can use the <tmpl_var url> to get the url to the image | 21:37 |
rjacobsen | it doesnt | 21:37 |
@preaction | what URL does it get then? | 21:37 |
rjacobsen | it gives the url to the page it is on PLUS the url to the image - which means it opens the whole webgui page the image sits on and the image itself in it | 21:38 |
@preaction | so your image is using a template then? | 21:38 |
rjacobsen | so <tmpl_var url> would give something like /photogallery2/test2#jhaevoeaherjijaj | 21:38 |
rjacobsen | photogallery2 being the page | 21:39 |
rjacobsen | test2 being the image name | 21:39 |
rjacobsen | and the rest being the actual asset url | 21:39 |
@preaction | are you inside the attachmentLoop? | 21:39 |
@preaction | oh... that's not an absolute url | 21:40 |
rjacobsen | and i cant seem to single out the asset | 21:40 |
rjacobsen | ya | 21:40 |
@preaction | you need /<tmpl_var url> <- like that | 21:40 |
@preaction | or better: ^FileUrl(<tmpl_var url>); | 21:40 |
rjacobsen | invalid asset url | 21:41 |
@preaction | then try the first one | 21:41 |
rjacobsen | all that does is put an extra / in front of the url i typed above | 21:42 |
rjacobsen | unless it needs the <- at the end of it too | 21:43 |
@preaction | so which template are you in again? the namespace, not the name | 21:43 |
rjacobsen | collaberation template > photo_gallery | 21:43 |
@preaction | that's the name, not the namespace. look on the Metadata tab of the template | 21:44 |
rjacobsen | Collaboration is the Namespace | 21:44 |
@preaction | did you try the <tmpl_var image.url>? | 21:47 |
rjacobsen | see the variables i see that work for sure are <tmpl_var title> (image title) <tmpl_var thumbnail> (url to the thumbnail) <tmpl_var url> (url to the page the image sits on and places the thumbnail there) | 21:47 |
@preaction | the Collaboration template shows all the threads, and it doesn't get into the attachment loop. it gets the first attachment, but that's all | 21:47 |
@preaction | <tmpl_var url> is the URL to the Post | 21:47 |
rjacobsen | that was it preaction | 21:48 |
rjacobsen | <tmpl_var image.url> works | 21:48 |
@preaction | that's in the Post List Template Variables, which is linked from the Collaboration Template Variables. look in the right side area for linked entries | 21:49 |
rjacobsen | its wierd cuz i dont see image.url in there anywhere | 21:51 |
rjacobsen | oops | 21:51 |
rjacobsen | it is in the main part | 21:51 |
rjacobsen | i see it now | 21:51 |
rjacobsen | i do thankyou for your help preaction and i apologize again for pasting into the window | 21:53 |
Lisette | how to do a post from a .pm? more specific from a paydriver rediret an another page and later this new page returns me some parameter to the paydriver? | 22:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8372 /branch/frank/t/Account.t: added test | 22:36 |
@preaction | anyone available to discuss a bug i can't seem to find a way to fix? | 23:15 |
@preaction | the WebGUI::ProfileField does the wrong thing when trying to grab its value from the current request, but doing the right thing breaks it even more | 23:15 |
@preaction | Line 249 of WebGUI::ProfileField, if (defined $self->session->form->process($properties->{name}, $self->get( | 23:17 |
@preaction | currently that's my fix that broke it worse | 23:17 |
@preaction | i'm adding tests to prevent that regression again, but the only thing i can think of to truly fix is to change 249 to if ( $form->get( ... ) ne $self->get('dataDefault') ) | 23:18 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r8373 /branch/alphamega/ (152 files in 58 dirs): Synced branch with HEAD | 00:07 |
@preaction | how come that syncing stuff is so easy for everybody except me? | 00:09 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8374 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 3 dirs): | 00:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixed: Regression in WebGUI::ProfileFiled | 00:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: added tests to prevent any possible future regression | 00:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8375 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merging 8374 | 00:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | can anyone else replicate this? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/8792 | 01:14 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8376 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fixed performance issue with Stow by adding a way to bypass safety for speed | 01:23 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r8377 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge 8376 | 01:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | That bug is defeating firebug's attempts to see if a http call is even being made | 01:24 |
@preaction | heh, nice | 01:27 |
@preaction | is it showing up for you though? | 01:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | no, it isn't. But to me it is looking like the ajax call is never being made | 01:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: I just wanted to verify. | 01:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | and in firebug, I'm only seeing a short js script being used. | 01:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh well, I'll be back later | 01:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh, duh, that isn't and ajax call, but just a play call to Op for a HTMLFrom www_imageTree | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | Yay! No more 500 MHz dev system | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: paginator i18n works | 01:42 |
@preaction | woot! | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | bug-- | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | bug-- | 01:59 |
@preaction | yay! | 01:59 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8378 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: fix i18n problem with version tag mode entries. Missing context and lastUpdated. | 02:01 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8379 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): final asssetManager i18n re: 4214 | 02:01 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8380 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixing date duration i18n | 02:01 |
@preaction | perlbot 3.4 / 0.3 | 02:02 |
@preaction | perlbot math 3.4 / 0.3 | 02:02 |
perlbot | 11.3333333333333 | 02:02 |
@preaction | 1133% performance increase on my website from the changes to stow | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | sincere aplogies | 02:05 |
@preaction | not your fault | 02:05 |
@preaction | you did the right thing | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | I talked with JT about it | 02:05 |
@preaction | i kept what you did, and added a way to bypass it that's all | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | He'd like us to remove all the checking and make sure that people clone stuff at need | 02:06 |
@preaction | oh, do i get to share in doing the wrong thing now? ;) | 02:06 |
@preaction | how can we enforce that? | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | No, that's squarely on my shoulders | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | We can't | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | It's a loaded pistol | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | Don't aim at your foot | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | When using the Wand of Fireballs, you must disable the sprinkler system | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | etc. etc. | 02:07 |
@preaction | i like this way, hand them a loaded pistol with the safety on, let them click it off if they want | 02:07 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8381 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backporting date duration i18n from HEAD | 02:34 |
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@rizen | doug doug he's our man if he can't do it, someone else will | 03:06 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8382 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): | 03:47 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: - Added Cashier/Point of Sale mode for the Shop. | 03:47 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: - Added the notion of a default address to the Shop's address book. | 03:47 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8383 /branch/frank/ (47 files in 15 dirs): Account release candidate - final changes before merge | 04:51 |
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+perlDreamer | Does anyone know anything about the code from AMH? | 05:20 |
+perlDreamer | bad move rizen. | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | Now we can say WebGUI is a POS | 05:30 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8384 /branch/frank/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.1-7.6.2.pl: deleted my version of the upgrade script - need to add to 7.6.4 | 05:31 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8385 /branch/frank/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.1-7.6.2.pl: current version in head | 05:31 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8386 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: | 06:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Change how the versionTagMode work is updated. | 06:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Use the API so that all profile field work is done correctly. | 06:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Previously, adding users and any profile data was broken. | 06:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8387 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): do not show an edit link in the Asset Manager unless the asset is editable | 06:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8388 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport and merge asset manager edit fixes | 06:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8389 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Three UserList bug fixes from Bernd. | 06:03 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8390 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting UserList bug fixes | 06:34 |
khenn_ | the reformatting of the code in the past 2 weeks is just insane | 07:21 |
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@perlmonkey2 | khenn: what's different about the code formatting? | 08:44 |
@khenn | I'm not convinced it's that anymore | 08:44 |
@khenn | I think svn merge just blows | 08:44 |
@khenn | I can't get it to merge without skipping 800,000 files | 08:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | nice | 08:46 |
@khenn | yeah | 08:46 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: amhhenry * r8391 /branch/alphamega/ (23 files in 14 dirs): Synced branch with HEAD r8390 | 13:36 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8392 /WebGUI/ (59 files in 19 dirs): Pluggable Account system added to WebGUI with new Profile, Inbox, Friends, User, and Shop interfaces. | 14:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Account.pm Shop/Transaction.pm Account/Shop.pm): Forgot one cleanup item. Transactions now properly redirect to the account module when directly called | 14:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8394 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.4/ (3 files): forgot to add these with the shop upgrades last night | 17:06 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8395 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm: Fixed a problem where getShippingAddress was not throwing an error but still returning undef in some situations causing the cart to fail. | 20:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8396 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (Cart.pm AddressBook.pm): the real fix to the problem frank just checked in | 21:18 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8397 /experimental/ (15 files in 7 dirs): plain black's automated hosting system | 01:02 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8398 / (experimental/Lift Lift): moving the experimental upgrade system into it's proper location | 01:02 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8399 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (Automat-install.pl Automat-importSiteListFromCsv.pl): an importer | 02:15 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8400 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix dataform inTab template variable | 05:42 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8401 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting DataForm inTab template variable fix | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | Go colin! | 05:43 |
+perlDreamer | He's fixed like 3 bugs so far, and committed patches for two more. | 05:43 |
@rizen | wait a minute | 05:46 |
@rizen | are you cheering yourself? | 05:46 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam: ping | 07:02 |
patspam | hey! | 07:07 |
patspam | perlDreamer: pong | 07:08 |
+perlDreamer | I can't duplicate your edit workflow bug. | 07:31 |
+perlDreamer | Not on my dev box | 07:31 |
+perlDreamer | but I can on the demo server | 07:31 |
+perlDreamer | I think it depends on which workflows you have enabled in your config | 07:31 |
+perlDreamer | by chance, do you have one for ProcessRecurringPayments? | 07:32 |
patspam | ah yes I think I saw an error coming out of ProcessRecurringPayments a week later and disabled it | 07:39 |
patspam | not sure if the edit workflow bug is still biting me, I'll check | 07:39 |
+perlDreamer | I'll add some code to trap that, like you did, in any case | 07:40 |
patspam | yep, just reproduced it: Can't locate object method "getName" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::ProcessRecurringPayments" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Workflow.pm line 221. | 07:45 |
patspam | but you only see the error if you wrap www_editWorkflow in WebGUI::Operation::Workflow in an eval | 07:46 |
+perlDreamer | I can get it with debug mode turned on. | 07:46 |
patspam | ah yes, that would do it too :) | 07:47 |
+perlDreamer | At first, I hoped that the bug had been fixed accidently and i was going to close the bug. | 07:47 |
patspam | lately I've started wrapping my Content Handlers in an eval so that errors get logged | 07:47 |
+perlDreamer | that's a good idea | 07:47 |
+perlDreamer | eventually, they'll probably throw exceptions | 07:48 |
patspam | yeah that would be nice | 07:48 |
+perlDreamer | in any case, you'll want to disable to workflow activity and remove it from your workflows. It's not working. | 07:54 |
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+perlDreamer | and a bigger question is, how in the world did that survive the Shop upgrade in 7.5.11? | 07:59 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, would you send me a copy of that workflow activity? I'd like to use it for testing purposes. | 08:00 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8402 /experimental/Automat/ (9 files in 3 dirs): move domain to be a child of customer instead of site | 10:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8403 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/DomainRecord.pm): bug fixes | 10:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8404 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Site.pm DomainName.pm): more bug fixes | 11:09 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8405 /experimental/Automat/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 18:51 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: bug fixes | 18:51 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: automatically delete domain name if no records remain | 18:51 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8406 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: Fixed a bug where formField was setting the formProcess value in certain cases even if the form hadn't been posted. This was causing the stored value of fields to be set to the default value when it shouldn't have been. | 20:35 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8407 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileCategory.pm: Added properties argument to getCategories and getFields methods which allow you to specify the states of visible, editable, and in the case of getFields required. | 21:16 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8408 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Adding more features to Matrix v2 | 23:39 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8409 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Collaboration.pm Asset_DataTable.pm): Update from translation server | 00:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8410 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_ProjectManager.pm Asset_Sku.pm): Update from translation server | 00:16 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8411 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Fixed a number of issues with the profile and refactored some of the code to make it more efficient. | 02:06 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, perlmonkey2: need some hacking advice | 04:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | ut oh | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I did it again | 04:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: use something sharp? | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | Just my head | 04:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | what's the dillio? | 04:56 |
+perlDreamer | Please check out bug 8845 | 04:56 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8845 | 04:56 |
+perlDreamer | can we teach perlbot to format bug URLs for us? | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | The problem is two-fold | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | 1) We left a bad workflow activity in the user's config file from the 7.5.10-7.5.11 upgrade | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | 2) In the Edit Workflow activity screen, it tries to load that activity | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | of course, it can't so it pukes | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | but that's the problem, it shouldn't puke | 04:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | catch a require? | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | yes/no | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | See Workflow/Activity.pm, lines 335-348 | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | sub newByPropertyHashRef | 04:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | in particular, lines 341,342 | 04:59 |
@perlmonkey2 | already does that :) | 04:59 |
@perlmonkey2 | ah | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | It tries to load $class, not $className | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | $class is ... Workflow::Activity | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | which will always work | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | (well, pretty much always) | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | so it tries to load Workflow::Activity, but blesses into $className | 05:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | (as an aside, Pluggable does not look like a good thing to me) | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | and whammo, loading errors are skipped | 05:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | so, will it exploped if you change the load to className/ | 05:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | since we want to load the activity module? | 05:01 |
+perlDreamer | No. It will return undef. | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | I keep going back to rizen's email about symptoms and causes. | 05:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | so it should return an error object? do we have those? | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | it probably should throw an exception | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | except it doesn't now | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | it returns undef | 05:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | If an activity is asked for that doesn't exists, there are only a few options. | 05:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | that doesn't seem very WG-ish :P | 05:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8412 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 05:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Trap trying to instance bad workflow activities. | 05:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Remove the ProcessRecurringPayments activity from the user's config. | 05:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | it should throw $@ | 05:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | probably with a code or something to say it doesn't exists | 05:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | exist | 05:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | but then every thing that calls newByPropertyHash needs to be updated to look for exceptions. | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | returning undef is historically wG. Exceptions are the new WGBP way of doing things | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | and that's the rub, we can't modify the API | 05:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | I like throwing exceptions and handling them. Then I never find my bugs, but the app kind of crawls along, being so fault tolerant :P | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like greasing your windmills with bird guts? ;) | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, that's not the best analogy | 05:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | ah, I hope you just made that up, because if that ever really happend I'll lose all faith in windmills. | 05:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | so it is an 8.0 update | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | I think so | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | Have you started building windmills yet? | 05:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | so what we'll see if we look for implementations is a bunch of "my $activity = Workflow::Activity->newByPropertyHashRef($class,$session,$props)" and there just isn't anyway to make $activity do double duty. | 05:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | or is it an actual $asset that's being called, and Pluggable::load($class) looks at the object type? | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | it's told to look at $class (Workflow::Activity) instead of (Workflow::Activity::activityName) | 05:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | no, I haven't started on windmills yet. I keep going to auctions for welders, but haven't found a steal just yet. | 05:10 |
* apeiron can't resist making a steel pun | 05:11 | |
@perlmonkey2 | although I found plans for a 100W for $150. Made out of 6 inch PVC and a cheopo alternator from ebay. | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 05:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | could probably discombubalate the alteranator and cast it in resin so that it would last forever, but I'm really looking forward to having a welder. | 05:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | no more mickey mouse LCD's mounts in my truck. | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: You're hardcore. | 05:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: why do you say that? | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | the whole metal working thing | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | I just hack stuff | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | drywall, romex, cat-5, perl | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | you actually build stuff from scratch | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | very cool | 05:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | I haven't actually done the metal working yet. So far I just go to auctions, look at welders, and wonder if I can get this $2K welder and generator for a few hundred bucks :P | 05:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | drywall, romex? | 05:16 |
+perlDreamer | well, in any case, it sounds good | 05:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | I don't build cat-5 from scratch ? :P | 05:16 |
+perlDreamer | yeah. Remodeling. drywall = gypsum board | 05:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh | 05:16 |
+perlDreamer | romex is the plastic sheathed stuff for electrical wire | 05:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | conduit? | 05:16 |
+perlDreamer | No, just the regular old stuff. White sheating around color coded wires | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | conduit is hard to work with | 05:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'm guessing there are a lot of welders out there who would prefert to be able to hack perl :P | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | probably :) | 05:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you're like so hardcore, Chuck Norris once asked you to write a test for him. | 05:18 |
+perlDreamer | Indeed he did. And the test did what Chuck said, or else! | 05:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, I was just being silly. Everyone knows Chuck Norris codes with a magnet, cosmic rays, and flash rom. | 05:19 |
* perlDreamer goes to check on the kids, bbiaw | 05:26 | |
+perlDreamer | I have big news, perlmonkey2. News release tomorrow | 05:26 |
@perlmonkey2 | eh? | 05:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you cna't do that. | 05:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8413 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Workflow/Activity.pm Operation/Workflow.pm): refix the Workflow bug the correct way | 05:36 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8414 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backport Workflow::Activity class loading and error handling fix | 05:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: so? | 06:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | you going to enlighten? | 06:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | In Europe its already Monday. Just tell them, on this channel. | 06:06 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8415 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: fixed a corner case where template variables could overlap. | 06:13 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, no leakies | 06:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: wow, that is just cruel :) | 06:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, I'm outy 5000 | 06:27 |
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+Radix-wrk | it's been monday for ages already | 06:42 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8416 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix the template of a newsletter template | 06:46 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8417 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (2 files in 2 dirs): move package into the right directory | 06:46 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8418 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4: also remove bogus directory | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | In firebug, can I get to a command line and talk to the interpreter directly? | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | like perl's debugger mode? | 07:00 |
@khenn | not sure what you mean | 07:00 |
@khenn | you can change stuff | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | I want to ask it what it thinks a variable is | 07:01 |
@khenn | javascript you mean? | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 07:01 |
@khenn | I don't know | 07:01 |
@khenn | I've never used the javascript stuff | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | I've used it a bit over the last few days. It's very handy. | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | with help from preaction++, I set breakpoints and debugged some bad JS I wrote | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | It's Ctrl-Shift-L to bring up the command line | 07:03 |
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@khenn | nice | 07:16 |
@khenn | I'll have to try it | 07:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8419 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix the template of a newsletter template | 07:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8420 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm: updated view method to use new way of calling ProfileCategory methods | 07:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8421 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm: Fixed a bug which would cause the query to return inbox messages to fail if the user wasn't a member of any groups. | 07:17 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8423 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t: Merge branch 'survey2' into flux | 07:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8424 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Flux.pm: Improved experimental getHighestSticky method so that is can optionally skip rules in a linear progression | 07:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8425 /branch/WebGUI_flux/fluxdesigndocs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added flux odt presentations | 07:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8426 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (51 files in 30 dirs): | 07:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Merge branch '7.6.3-beta' into flux | 07:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Conflicts: | 07:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm | 07:49 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8427 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Cherry-picked latest Survey from trunk | 07:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8428 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Flux.pm: Refactored getHighestSticky into more usable getLinearProgression, now returns entrie progression. | 07:49 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:09 |
@preaction | morning | 16:10 |
* SDuensin is gonna dive into WebGUI today! | 16:11 | |
@preaction | yay! | 16:11 |
SDuensin | You say that now. Wait until the questions start! | 16:13 |
SDuensin | And here they go... | 16:15 |
SDuensin | I installed WRE and WebGUI 7.5.3x from tarballs. Now I have WebGUI 7.5.x from SVN. Should I run the upgrade scripts? How do I know when SVN has database changes I need to apply? | 16:15 |
@preaction | grab the "wgreset" script from svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools | 16:16 |
SDuensin | And for you Mac-based developers, what tools do you prefer for working with WebGUI? | 16:16 |
@preaction | use that to reset your dev copy when you "svn up" | 16:16 |
@preaction | i use vim with perl support and OSX's default terminal program | 16:16 |
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@preaction | the other PB devs use Komodo IDE | 16:17 |
SDuensin | VIM? Yea. Ok, remind me not to ask you again. :-P | 16:17 |
* SDuensin is a JOE fan! | 16:18 | |
SDuensin | They're kinda proud of Komodo, aren't they? | 16:22 |
@preaction | who are? | 16:22 |
SDuensin | ActiveState | 16:22 |
@preaction | uh... it makes them money? | 16:23 |
SDuensin | I know. Just been spoiled lately. Been head-down in FOSS-land. | 16:23 |
* SDuensin has no wgreset in tools. | 16:23 | |
SDuensin | :-/ | 16:23 |
@preaction | SDuensin, it's in the svn repo | 16:24 |
SDuensin | Yea, I pulled it with: svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools tools | 16:24 |
@preaction | looks like it's called "wgd" now, and it's a little more involved than it used to be | 16:26 |
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SDuensin | That thing does quite a bit. | 16:29 |
* SDuensin is reading code | 16:29 | |
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@perlmonkey2 | yeah, wgd is da bomb | 16:33 |
* SDuensin bets he can make it bomb. :-) | 16:33 | |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8430 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/User.pm: Fixed an issue which was causing the wrong style template to be used in certain cases. | 17:00 |
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+perlDreamer | Morning folks | 17:52 |
SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | I have an announcement to make. | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | I am no longer a chip designer | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | I was layed-off last Friday | 17:53 |
SDuensin | :-( | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | From today on, I am now the proprietor and owner of perlDreamer Consulting, LLC | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | specializing in WebGUI programming | 17:53 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer, we can be scared together then. Filing my resignation letter today. | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | (and assorted housework) | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | good luck SDuensin | 17:54 |
SDuensin | My wife is gonna shit bricks. | 17:54 |
@rizen | SD, i thought you already quit | 17:56 |
@rizen | you haven't discussed this with your wife? seems like a bad idea. | 17:57 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: holy moly rolly polly | 17:59 |
Bernd_ | perlDreamer, congratulations! | 18:00 |
Bernd_ | Is that going to make you a rich man, eventually? | 18:00 |
+perlDreamer | Probably not, but I'm planning on a happier life through perl programming ;) | 18:00 |
Bernd_ | And will I have to pay for advice in the future? | 18:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: tough times to start a consulting business, but people will be looking to save cash, and you can sell them on savings with WG migrations. | 18:01 |
Bernd_ | Just be cheaper than plain black ;-) | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: The plan is to keep doing what I have been doing. It's just that I'm available for consulting purposes. | 18:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you aren't going to market yourself? | 18:02 |
Bernd_ | That is great news! | 18:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how will you get business? | 18:02 |
+perlDreamer | Well, one thing that helped me make this decision is that I already have two customers. | 18:02 |
+perlDreamer | But I will need to market myself. It's something I'm going to have to work on. | 18:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: my sis pays $5k/month in marketing for her business :P | 18:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure that is the way to go. | 18:05 |
+perlDreamer | uh, not for me. Not yet. | 18:05 |
+perlDreamer | But if she can spend $5K/month on marketing, she must be doing well | 18:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | well, there is a lot of cash floating around, I'm just not sure how much she hangs on to. | 18:06 |
Bernd_ | I could quit my current job and do the marketing for $5K/month. | 18:06 |
Bernd_ | Not sure though if my services are worth that much :-) | 18:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | That 5K covers some serious advertising exposure though. | 18:06 |
Bernd_ | I see. | 18:07 |
Bernd_ | Rather going to keep my job. | 18:07 |
dionak | is ProcessRecurringPayments no longer a valid workflow? it's in the conf file but I can't locate the perl class in the Workflow directory | 18:08 |
dionak | wg 7.5 | 18:09 |
@rizen | not needed anymore | 18:09 |
@rizen | dionak | 18:09 |
dionak | so it should be removed from the conf file... | 18:10 |
dionak | is this considered a bug? | 18:11 |
@preaction | dionak, i think it's already posted. there were a couple bugs about "unable to edit workflows", which was caused by that | 18:11 |
dionak | ah | 18:11 |
dionak | k, thanks | 18:11 |
dionak | didn't see that in my first search.. | 18:12 |
BartJol | oh perlDreamer, my problem of last thursday solved itself (or I was stupid and too unpatient foe some caching problem) | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | Cool. | 18:14 |
BartJol | so no chip designing for you huh | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | Not any more | 18:15 |
BartJol | maybe you can ask money for being online here and answering questions | 18:16 |
BartJol | by minute | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | 5 cents, please | 18:16 |
BartJol | yeah, well, since I seem to be your manager in this case, I ask 50% from all revenues | 18:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer support LLC. $1 to ask an easy question, $10 per hard question, $100 for hand holding. | 18:17 |
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BartJol | initial consult is 85 euro an hour | 18:17 |
BartJol | so I get 84,975 euro from you | 18:18 |
BartJol | can I add that to a "BartJol may ask stupid questions" fund? | 18:19 |
BartJol | darn, first stupid question | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, I don't plan on selling IRC support. _You_ may always ask questions | 18:19 |
BartJol | hip hip hooray | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | but i18n bugs cost 1 euro each | 18:22 |
BartJol | ? | 18:22 |
Bernd_ | What about applying patches? | 18:22 |
Bernd_ | Still free? | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 18:22 |
BartJol | so you can't stand that I correct you in your english? | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | I can stand it. I just need a backup cash flow. | 18:23 |
BartJol | :) | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | I meen kassh floow | 18:23 |
BartJol | mmm, maybe I'll just stop reporting them | 18:23 |
BartJol | who gets the invoice? | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | Koen, of course | 18:23 |
BartJol | that sounds reasonable | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | How is Tessa doing? | 18:25 |
BartJol | well, still pretty ok | 18:25 |
BartJol | I didn't talk with her that much last friday\ | 18:25 |
BartJol | but she seemed ok | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | good | 18:25 |
BartJol | I do have a recent pictue, but without zoom on her belly | 18:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | babies++ | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Planning on forking any processes? | 18:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, not anytime soon | 18:33 |
BartJol | mmm, my stalled workflows seem to withhold me from getting the picture on my site | 18:34 |
Bernd_ | We do! | 18:37 |
Bernd_ | 6th week. So it is still a bit early to talk about it. | 18:38 |
BartJol | well, I'm off to home | 18:38 |
BartJol | so have fun talking about babies | 18:39 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8431 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): prevent calendar feed workflow activity from creating version tags unless it needs to | 18:53 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Bernd_ is 6 weeks into a forking call? | 19:07 |
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@rizen | bug-- | 19:09 |
@rizen | go pd go | 19:09 |
@rizen | go pd go | 19:09 |
* perlDreamer only hates JS 95% now | 19:20 | |
SDuensin | hehe | 19:20 |
* SDuensin shows perlDreamer ObjJ. | 19:21 | |
@preaction | objJ? there's a MORE object-oriented java? | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | ObjJ? | 19:21 |
SDuensin | ObjJ is a super-set of JS modeled after Objective-C. It's spiffy. | 19:22 |
* SDuensin waits for rizen to scream "NOOOOO!" | 19:22 | |
@preaction | that doesn't sound so bad | 19:22 |
SDuensin | No, it's very cool. | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: When a JS object method is called, how does it get a copy of the object? | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | is it "this"? | 19:24 |
@preaction | yes | 19:24 |
@preaction | "this" is magic | 19:24 |
@preaction | just like "new" | 19:24 |
@preaction | most OO systems are metric butt-tons of magic / keywords | 19:25 |
@preaction | except, of course, Perls | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | more assetManager questions, then | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | the custom paginator query function is not being called | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | assetManager.js, like 253 | 19:27 |
@preaction | heh, that sounds like a JT question. he fixed that part of it | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: ping | 19:28 |
SDuensin | rizen: timed out | 19:39 |
SDuensin | Anyone want to direct my clueless butt towards a development workflow of some kind? | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, do you want a sample Workflow Activity, or something different? | 19:41 |
SDuensin | No, no. Not WebGUI workflows. What I need to do to work on WebGUI. I checked out the code, tools, etc. Now what? | 19:42 |
+perlDreamer | Fire up mysql, httpd and spectre | 19:43 |
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SDuensin | Fired. | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | Now, what kind of code do you want to build? | 19:43 |
SDuensin | All I know is that there's still no contact from the colony and that a xenomorph may be involved... It's a bug hunt. | 19:44 |
* SDuensin wants to be able to fix bugs in WebGUI. | 19:44 | |
rjacobsen | good afternoon - wondering if someone could look at http://www.cdsforkids.net/photo_gallery2/making-of-the-mediak-dvd?func=thumbnails for me and tell me why when the mouse is rolled over a thumbnail it brings up an image, but when the mouse rolls off the image does not go away? | 19:44 |
rjacobsen | i am using the default webgui gallery thumbnail asset | 19:45 |
rjacobsen | and i think someone of the javascript is messed up, but not sure how you folks intended for it to work | 19:45 |
rjacobsen | some* | 19:45 |
* SDuensin is looking, rjacobsen | 19:45 | |
rjacobsen | i just confirmed it does it in both ie and firefox | 19:47 |
* SDuensin is still learning his way around the source. He's slow. | 19:55 | |
@preaction | SDuensin, that code is in "thumbnails.js", located in the Gallery Templates folder under the root node | 19:58 |
SDuensin | ko | 19:58 |
rjacobsen | ya i saw that | 19:58 |
@preaction | it's... a bit tricky, so i'm not suprised that sometimes it doesn't work right | 19:58 |
rjacobsen | but not sure what code to manipulate to fix it | 19:59 |
rjacobsen | it looks like the yahoo code | 19:59 |
@preaction | it doesn't work at all in IE6, so that browser doesn't see it | 19:59 |
rjacobsen | something else interesting.... if after you roll the mouse over the new popup image, the popup image goes away like it is supposed to | 20:02 |
rjacobsen | but not till you roll the mouse over the popup | 20:02 |
SDuensin | rjacobsen - which template are you using? Default Gallery View Photo? | 20:03 |
@preaction | the popup is supposed to be exactly over the original thumbnail. if it isn't, then that's the problem | 20:04 |
rjacobsen | i edited the default gallery view photo template | 20:04 |
SDuensin | preaction - the original thumbnail doesn't trap the mouseout? | 20:04 |
@preaction | it can't, there's a bigger image on top of it | 20:05 |
rjacobsen | the only change i made tho was to make the image open in a new window rather than a blank window taking people away from the website | 20:05 |
SDuensin | Not on rjacobsen's page. :-P | 20:05 |
@preaction | there's a plainblack.com gallery that has the same problem. i suspect that feature will need to be removed :( | 20:06 |
SDuensin | Or fixed. :-P | 20:06 |
rjacobsen | i would like the popup thumbnails removed if you can tell me what code to remove | 20:06 |
rjacobsen | and i would just like to put a link to my javascript function to open the image in a popup window | 20:07 |
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rjacobsen | kind of like the code i have on this page >> http://www.cdsforkids.net/photo_gallery2/making-of-the-mediak-dvd/mediakshoot6 | 20:08 |
rjacobsen | if you click the image it opens in a new window rather than in a new blank window taking the viewer away from the website entirely | 20:08 |
SDuensin | rjacobsen - Look at this one: http://vgs.jaegertech.net/photos/vgs | 20:09 |
SDuensin | I can send you the package if you want it. | 20:09 |
rjacobsen | feel free to use the code i have on the page if you like by the way - i think this is a better idea than the old way | 20:09 |
@preaction | opening a new window is considered bad practice for websites, and webgui's default templates should never do it | 20:10 |
SDuensin | Yes. Windows == BAAAAAAD! | 20:10 |
rjacobsen | wow sduensin!! i like that!! | 20:10 |
rjacobsen | please tell me how you did that! | 20:10 |
* SDuensin hacked that together before the Gallery was introduced. | 20:10 | |
rjacobsen | rofl | 20:10 |
SDuensin | It's just a folder with my Photo Gallery template on it. | 20:10 |
SDuensin | Lemme export one for you. | 20:11 |
rjacobsen | thanx so much | 20:11 |
rjacobsen | pls tell me what i have to do on my end to make it work | 20:11 |
SDuensin | Just import it, put a Folder on the page, File Pile all your images into it, and set the template to Photo Gallery. | 20:12 |
SDuensin | You can put captions on the pics, too, but I never use that. | 20:12 |
rjacobsen | coolness | 20:12 |
SDuensin | It also does multiple galleries on a single page with the next/previous links limited to each individual library. | 20:13 |
SDuensin | Can I DCC it over? It's 22k. | 20:14 |
rjacobsen | DCC? | 20:14 |
SDuensin | Ok, I'll use PipeBytes. URL on the way. | 20:14 |
rjacobsen | zip and email to rjacobsen@mediak.com if you like | 20:14 |
SDuensin | rjacobsen (and nobody else) - Go here: http://host01.pipebytes.com/get.php?key=10134717321867 | 20:15 |
rjacobsen | got it - let me see if i can get it to work :) | 20:16 |
SDuensin | Just import it using the asset manager. To turn a folder of images into a gallery, set the Folder Template to "Photo Gallery Style". | 20:16 |
SDuensin | Lots of people like that. I should put it in the bizarre bazaar. | 20:17 |
rjacobsen | there may be a problem with this sduensin | 20:22 |
SDuensin | yea? | 20:22 |
rjacobsen | i have like 50 websites...... how would i put this on a website to where the owner can simply upload some photos | 20:23 |
SDuensin | Just make it so they can add files to the folder. | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | Dude, I just wrote Javascript. | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | Now I know the world is upside down | 20:29 |
SDuensin | :-P | 20:29 |
apeiron | I knew the world was upside down on Wednesday the fifth when xkcd was late and a Democrat was elected President. | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | This vim macro fill autoformat a PB bug request into a changelog style comment | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | %hhd$0WWWPa ^[BhhxxxEx: <80>kb<80>kb<80>kbli:^[ | 20:32 |
rjacobsen | hey sduensin - this is nice - how can i add the title of the image to the window that opens? | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | time to take a short break | 20:34 |
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SDuensin | rjacobsen - Lemme look it up. I forgot! | 20:34 |
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SDuensin | It appears that it displays the synopsis of the file for the description. | 20:36 |
rjacobsen | ya i see that | 20:36 |
rjacobsen | you know...... why couldnt i just use your code combined with the gallery? | 20:37 |
SDuensin | I'm sure you can. Like I said, there was no gallery when I wrote it. | 20:37 |
rjacobsen | im gonna do it :) | 20:37 |
SDuensin | Rock on. | 20:38 |
rjacobsen | ill give ya a finished product when im done and you can give your ok | 20:38 |
SDuensin | Sure. I just did some hacking to get it all nice in WebGUI. The JS was some PD code I found elsewhere. | 20:38 |
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rjacobsen | well if i can get it working, maybe others would like it too | 20:39 |
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rjacobsen | stupid question...... i havent seen the ^/; macro before.... what does it point to? | 20:44 |
rjacobsen | the web root? | 20:44 |
@preaction | it's the gateway macro | 20:46 |
@preaction | there's a macro help pdf available in the bazaar | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | rjacobsen, for a default webgui site, you'll never need it. But if you design things for the core, or for others to use, it's always a good idea to use it. | 20:46 |
@khenn | best way to figure out what it will do is to just create an article somewhere, throw it in there, and then look at it | 20:47 |
rjacobsen | kk | 20:47 |
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rjacobsen | sduensin if you are still there.... it almost works as you can see here > http://www.cdsforkids.net/photo_gallery3/test/mediakshoot9 ....but for whatever reason the box on the right overlaps the thumbnail image | 21:01 |
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* SDuensin is here | 21:01 | |
SDuensin | Loading | 21:01 |
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SDuensin | Cool. | 21:01 |
* SDuensin likes the lightbox effect. | 21:01 | |
rjacobsen | tryin to figure out how to make the stuff on the right not overlap the thumbnail | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | demo.plainblack.com is running 7.5,right? | 21:07 |
@Haarg | yes | 21:07 |
+perlDreamer | is beta running 7.6? | 21:08 |
@Haarg | yep | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 21:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8432 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix assetManager paginator and column sorting | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: re this bug http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/more-menu-doesnt-appear-for-current-asset-on-crumb-trail | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | The More menu is working for me on FF/Linux | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | in both 7.5 and 7.6 | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | Can you still see this bug? | 21:31 |
@Haarg | let me look | 21:35 |
@Haarg | not working for me | 21:37 |
@Haarg | the more menu on the items themselves works | 21:37 |
@Haarg | but not on the crumb trail at the top | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | oh, the one on the crumb trail! I looked at the wrong one | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | sorry about that | 21:37 |
@Haarg | yeah, the code for it just doesn't exist i believe | 21:38 |
dionak | are the presentations from the wuc still up somewhere? | 21:40 |
dionak | i'm looking for arjan's config file presentation... | 21:42 |
dionak | nvrmind..had to login | 21:43 |
dionak | doh | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | I see the code (and understand it) for making the more menu, but I don't know how to create something to attach it to that element of the crumb trail. | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try reading the YUI menu widget docs | 21:55 |
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* perlDreamer goes for a run. | 22:04 | |
@perlmonkey2 | Hmm, I wonder if I can drum up some business for perlDreamer. | 22:14 |
SDuensin | Me too! :-P | 22:14 |
* SDuensin is trying to file his resignation letter today. Except actual work keeps getting in the way. | 22:14 | |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: hahaha | 22:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | you are so busy working you can't quit? | 22:15 |
SDuensin | Sucks! :-) | 22:16 |
SDuensin | Trying to do a simple little import. Usually goes fine. Today? Just 2032 errors. | 22:16 |
Mech422 | WooHoo! | 22:28 |
Mech422 | finally - a true 64Bit flash player for linux :-) | 22:28 |
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danny_mk | Good day | 22:39 |
SDuensin | Greetings. | 22:40 |
SDuensin | Mech422 - About time, eh? | 22:40 |
danny_mk | hey, preaction. I had to fix the array issue in WObject/WSClient.pm by replacing $var{'results'} = \@result; with ref $result[0] eq 'ARRAY' ? ( $var{'results'} = shift(@result) ) : ( $var{'results'} = \@result ); | 22:40 |
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Mech422 | SDuensin: yeah - except I can't get it installed :-P | 22:42 |
rjacobsen | well sduensin... i think i got it working | 22:43 |
Mech422 | seems the tarball doesn't include the .xpt file | 22:43 |
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SDuensin | Mech422 - Minor detail. There's probably a Flash video explaining it. :-P | 22:43 |
SDuensin | rjacobsen - Yea? Cool! | 22:43 |
rjacobsen | http://www.cdsforkids.net/new_photo_gallery <<< check it out | 22:43 |
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rjacobsen | only thing i wish is i could figure out how to get that dang layout not to overlap the photograph in the view photo template | 22:45 |
SDuensin | rjacobsen - it's still overprinting the details & more details boxes on the image for me. | 22:45 |
SDuensin | Vuja-De! | 22:45 |
SDuensin | :-) | 22:45 |
rjacobsen | just cant seem to figure out how | 22:46 |
rjacobsen | i just cant seem to find the dang css for that | 22:46 |
rjacobsen | or whatever | 22:46 |
+MrHairgrease | anybody ever came across this log message? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d57e45c19 | 22:46 |
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SDuensin | MrHairgrease - An upgrade gone crazy? | 22:50 |
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+MrHairgrease | sduensin: don't think so. I should really upgrade that thing | 22:51 |
+MrHairgrease | It's running something _old_ | 22:51 |
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+MrHairgrease | and grepping on imgsrc doesn't return anything | 22:51 |
SDuensin | I remember those days. Finally bit the bullet and did it. Jumped like 47 releases in one shot. | 22:51 |
+MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 22:52 |
+MrHairgrease | i do that regularly | 22:52 |
+MrHairgrease | but this is a site i maintain voluntarily | 22:52 |
+MrHairgrease | so I always have to find time to do stuff like that | 22:52 |
+MrHairgrease | besides, it's heaviliy integrated with mailman | 22:53 |
+MrHairgrease | and I really don't wanna screw that up | 22:53 |
+MrHairgrease | although nothing should go wrong | 22:53 |
SDuensin | I also jumped two WREs. :-) | 22:54 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 22:56 |
+crythias | ok. so the draggable bar is above the edit bar. | 22:58 |
+MrHairgrease | so it should be | 22:59 |
+MrHairgrease | or else you wouldn't be able to drag small assets | 22:59 |
+MrHairgrease | small as in not-wide | 22:59 |
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* SDuensin has officially resignated! | 23:11 | |
@preaction | yay! | 23:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: so....screwed to death? | 23:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | scared | 23:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | I meant scared | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | so, now what are you gonna do? | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | move to euro trash land? | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: drum all you wish ;) Just don't let it be javascript! | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: I have a new job | 23:20 |
+MrHairgrease | you have? | 23:25 |
+perlDreamer | I was layed-off last Friday. | 23:25 |
+MrHairgrease | you were laid ogg | 23:25 |
+MrHairgrease | or you resigned yourself? | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | laid off | 23:26 |
+MrHairgrease | why? | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | low stock price | 23:26 |
+MrHairgrease | wow | 23:26 |
+MrHairgrease | so now you do what? | 23:26 |
+MrHairgrease | or is that a rethoroical question =) | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | from the ashes of silicon design rises perlDreamer Consulting | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | time to put my hacking where my mouth is | 23:28 |
+MrHairgrease | right | 23:29 |
+MrHairgrease | you're gonna do webgui/perl stuff only | 23:29 |
+MrHairgrease | or are you still gonna be hacking chips | 23:29 |
+MrHairgrease | in vhdl or whatever you used for that | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | webgui/perl only | 23:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I have a friend who is now a millionaire, in something like your situation. Only he did chip design consulting, and then built a goofy kids website on the side, which he then sold for millions. | 23:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | now he just travels the world and skiis. | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 23:30 |
@preaction | some friend... | 23:30 |
@preaction | wait, was it ... zombo com? | 23:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | I can't say | 23:31 |
@preaction | you can do anything at zombo com | 23:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | no, I mean he told me I couldnt' tell anyone until the buying company does their big press release. | 23:32 |
@preaction | i'm pretty sure it's not zombo com | 23:32 |
@preaction | but zombo com is awesome anyway | 23:32 |
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@perlmonkey2 | it's a goofy kids flash/ajax site though. | 23:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | hahahhaa, that is funny | 23:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | ah, nothing is possible at zombo.com | 23:34 |
@rizen | no! | 23:34 |
@preaction | ... EVERYTHING is possible at zombo.com | 23:34 |
@rizen | ANYTHING is possible at zombocom | 23:34 |
@preaction | the only limit is yourself | 23:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8433 /experimental/Automat/ (2 files in 2 dirs): bug fixes | 23:35 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8434 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: better handling of defaults | 23:35 |
@rizen | the infinite is possible at zombocom | 23:36 |
@rizen | the unattainable is unknown at zombocom | 23:36 |
* SDuensin is confused at zombo com. | 23:37 | |
@perlmonkey2 | if you stare too long at that site, you will become victim of the subliminal messages and you will end up buying more ovaltine. | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | I've gotta help Little Orphan Annie by drinking my ovaltine! | 23:39 |
Mech422 | ok ... i has flash | 23:45 |
Mech422 | and youtube still sucks | 23:45 |
Mech422 | that is all | 23:45 |
Mech422 | best reason I know to get flash working on my machine: http://www.fantasticcontraption.com | 23:47 |
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apeiron | Mech422, Ooh, thank you for reminding me about that. | 23:50 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen, khenn. What's the plan for new style Account vs the old account management interfaces? | 23:56 |
@khenn | what do you mean? | 23:57 |
@khenn | the old ones go away | 23:57 |
@khenn | it's in the gotchas | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | it's just weird seeing Content code mixed in with Operation code. I thought that it would completely switch over. | 23:59 |
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@khenn | not sure what you mean | 00:04 |
@khenn | are you talking about the calls to: WebGUI::Account::Content::getInstance? | 00:05 |
@khenn | those are simply there for backward compatibility | 00:05 |
@khenn | you shouldn't be touching those ops anymore | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | No, I'm talking about WebGUI:Operation::Profile still existing | 00:05 |
@khenn | yeah | 00:05 |
@khenn | has to | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | oh, okay | 00:05 |
@khenn | Those files are all deprecated | 00:05 |
@khenn | going away once WebGUI 8 is out | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | I've been trying to fix some of the bugs, and a few have to do with profile fields and password recovery. | 00:06 |
@khenn | they are there so if someone is sitting out there with an email that says: visit my profile at http://www.perldreamer.com?op=viewProfile;uid=fekwe44s | 00:06 |
@khenn | that still works | 00:06 |
@khenn | I fixed a ton of profile field stuff | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | I bet. | 00:06 |
@khenn | forward me the bugs and I'll let you know if it's fixed or not | 00:06 |
@khenn | you can IM them to me | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | Are you all done with Account, or still tinkering? | 00:06 |
@khenn | still tinkering | 00:07 |
@khenn | I'm just finishing up the "Invite a friend" stuff | 00:07 |
@khenn | and I have to document it as well | 00:08 |
@khenn | and fix a few other things | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | Okay. I'll limit those bug fixes to 7.5 then | 00:08 |
@khenn | I'll be done tonight at some point | 00:08 |
@khenn | with all my tinkering | 00:08 |
@khenn | and then I'm going to be adding as many features as I can before the feature freeze =) | 00:09 |
@khenn | perlDreamer: if it's not clear that something is deprecated, let me know and I'll try to make it more obvious | 00:10 |
@khenn | I'm pretty sure I used the word DEPRECATED in those files like 100 times | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | yep, it's there in the POD for each method. | 00:11 |
* rizen hearts account manager | 00:17 | |
+perlDreamer | It's a very nice interface. | 00:18 |
@rizen | khenn, do you already have someone working on retemplating it? | 00:21 |
@khenn | not presently | 00:21 |
@khenn | I was expecting to hear from vrby at some point | 00:21 |
@rizen | did you already put in the request for it? | 00:21 |
@khenn | no because you did | 00:22 |
@rizen | i did? | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/11/16/depression_2009_what_would_it_look_like/?page=full | 00:22 |
@rizen | man, the second thing to go is the memory | 00:22 |
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@khenn | perlDreamer, what do you think of it? | 00:24 |
@khenn | do you like the new account system? | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | I do. | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | It looks nice. | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | All on 1 screen | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | tabular | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | I half expected it to be ajax based from the interface | 00:25 |
@khenn | no, it had to be 508 compliant | 00:25 |
@khenn | so ajax wouldn't work | 00:26 |
@khenn | I used YUI for the tabs | 00:26 |
@khenn | I couldn't use YUI Datatables because sorting options are either: dump everythign to the page and let the client paginate or use AJAX | 00:26 |
@khenn | and large inboxes are a concern there | 00:27 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam: Can I add the GraphViz dependency to the testEnvironment.pl in your WebGUI_Flux branch? | 00:29 |
patspam | perlDreamer: good idea | 00:30 |
patspam | GraphViz was just a path of least resistance for visualising the flux graph, could well be replaced with something else later | 00:31 |
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@perlmonkey2 | flux has a graph? | 00:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | is it a graph of auth relationships? | 00:38 |
patspam | it's a graph of any rules you've created | 00:40 |
patspam | and since rules and depend on other rules, you get funky visualisations | 00:41 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8435 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (Automat-install.pl Automat-importSiteListFromCsv.pl): better folders | 00:57 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8436 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update the docs for Calendar List View start.* and end.* template variables | 00:57 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8437 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting calendar template var docs update | 00:57 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8438 /branch/WebGUI_flux/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: add dependency on GraphViz | 00:57 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8440 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: i'm stupid | 01:36 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8442 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm: Fixed a problem in error reporting in the saveSettings method | 02:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8443 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm: Fixed an issue where settings weren't being saved correctly. | 02:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8444 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm t/Macro/PrevNext.t): add code and tests for recursing up when looking for next child | 02:11 |
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patspam | perlmonkey2: you awake? | 02:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | word yo | 02:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: what's up? | 02:35 |
patspam | survey2 currently uses a blank style template by default, right? | 02:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | for which template? | 02:35 |
patspam | for the "style" template, e.g. the overall site template | 02:36 |
patspam | the one that all wobjects have | 02:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | yes, | 02:36 |
patspam | sorry, i'm talking in circles | 02:37 |
patspam | what I really wanted to say is.. | 02:37 |
patspam | i think that most people will want the Take Survey screen to use the site style template | 02:37 |
patspam | whereas by default it uses a very minimal template | 02:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, probably so. | 02:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | originally it was for scientific surveys which didn't want anything else cluttering the screen. | 02:39 |
patspam | yeah, i think that's valid in a lot of cases | 02:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | But the default should probably be to use the site style. | 02:39 |
patspam | but our case is research-based and they want styling | 02:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | and then if people don't want styling, they can remove it. | 02:40 |
patspam | yeah. my designer starts copy/pasting the main style template into the Take Survey template, which quickly led to a maintenance problem | 02:40 |
patspam | bad designer, stop that! | 02:41 |
@perlmonkey2 | heh | 02:41 |
patspam | so I'll put in an RFE saying that Survey should make use of the style template on the Take Survey screen? | 02:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | j/s | 02:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'm trying to shift gears and see what needs to be done. Might be a two second fix. | 02:42 |
patspam | ah-k | 02:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, if I wrap the return in the style call, then people would have to alter the style for the page layout to show nothing if they don't want anything shown. | 02:45 |
@perlmonkey2 | Which should just be a simple blank style. | 02:45 |
@perlmonkey2 | and then my default templates aren't set up to be inside a style template. | 02:47 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8445 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding search and some compare features to Matrix v2 | 02:47 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh well, those templates are about to get an overhaul. | 02:48 |
patspam | yeah, I would have thought the std wg approach would be to require people to create a new style for the stripped-down one (or use the bundled Blank Style) if they wanted anything other than the default style | 02:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | done | 02:49 |
patspam | legend :) | 02:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | hah, you mean luser for not doing it the normal way and then using a blank site style for surveys as needed. | 02:50 |
patspam | innovating man, that's what you were doing | 02:52 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: too kind :P | 02:52 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8446 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Take survey now uses the site style. | 03:25 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8448 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: Fixed WebGUI::Macro::process call which was being called incorrectly but working for some reason. | 06:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8449 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 9 dirs): Merged the "Invite a Friend" application into the Account system and cleaned up the templates in the Inbox | 07:07 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add POD. | 07:46 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add getPrevious with tests. Backward recursion still needs to be implemented. | 07:46 |
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@khenn | anyone here? | 08:11 |
@khenn | preaction? | 08:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8451 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm: take advantage of lineage and simplify getNext. All tests pass | 08:20 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: Replaced the account.options loop in the displayAccount auth methods with new | 09:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: macros for displaying deactivate account and back to site links. Another macro | 09:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: which allows text to be displayed according to whether the value passed in is | 09:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: empty or not was added to allow functionality similar to that which currently | 09:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: exists. | 09:33 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8455 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Cleaned up Friends templates. | 10:55 |
@preaction | good lord you're still UP? | 11:00 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8456 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 12:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8457 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 12:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8458 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 12:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8459 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 12:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8460 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 12:14 |
@preaction | woot, go germany! | 12:30 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r8461 /WebGUI/ (docs/credits.txt lib/default.ttf): (log message trimmed) | 15:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: * The TrueType font provided for CAPTCHA and chart label generation | 15:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: has limited support for Unicode glyph and also has a restricted | 15:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: license that forbids modification, forbids redistribution and | 15:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: does not provide source code for it, thus making it non free in | 15:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: the FOSS sense. It has been replaced with the TrueType font | 15:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Deja Vu Sans that has a similar visual appearance, has complete | 15:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r8462 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/default.ttf: (log message trimmed) | 15:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: * The TrueType font provided for CAPTCHA and chart label generation | 15:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: has limited support for Unicode glyph and also has a restricted | 15:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: license that forbids modification, forbids redistribution and | 15:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: does not provide source code for it, thus making it non free in | 15:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: the FOSS sense. It has been replaced with the TrueType font | 15:09 |
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John | Hi guys | 16:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | whooohooo, RFE dy | 16:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | day | 16:13 |
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@perlmonkey2 | put your red hot requests in, put your red hot requests in. | 16:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | Karma them up and watch 'em get done. | 16:14 |
Guest66585 | Has anybody worked with auth memcookie | 16:14 |
Guest66585 | ? | 16:14 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:20 |
@perlmonkey2 | Guest66585: you got a link to that? memcookie? | 16:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: word yo! | 16:21 |
SDuensin | Hey perlmonkey2 | 16:21 |
Guest66585 | Yep, the reference link is | 16:24 |
Guest66585 | http://authmemcookie.sourceforge.net/ | 16:24 |
Guest66585 | But I don't really know exactly how to work with it | 16:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | Guest66585: so Apache would need to be recompiled with this module? | 16:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | I've never heard of this. | 16:30 |
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@perlmonkey2 | wow, I'm lazy when I won't get up and walk 2 feet to get my Apache book and instead track down the docs on their site. | 16:31 |
Guest66585 | I'm trying to develop an authentication module to work with simpleSAMLphp (Single Sign-On) and I think auth memcookie is a great solution | 16:33 |
Guest66585 | WebGUI is developed in perl so it's difficult make it work with php | 16:33 |
Guest66585 | Or do you know an alternative? | 16:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | Guest66585: I don't know why it wouldn't work. | 16:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | reading the docs, it could work as an auth plugin. | 16:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | But this is a fairly big project | 16:35 |
Guest66585 | Yeah! It's difficult | 16:35 |
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SDuensin | Not too bad to hack up a new auth module. Just copy an existing one and edit it. | 16:36 |
Guest66585 | But how to do this with authmemcookie? | 16:36 |
Guest66585 | I'm not an expert jeje | 16:37 |
Guest66585 | Or an alternative? | 16:37 |
@perlmonkey2 | Guest66585: well, there are a couple of ways to go about this. Try to get a webgui dev/hacker/hanger-on interested in writing it. Learn Perl and write it yourself. Create and RFE, and add enough karma that it gets near the top of the list. Or pay someone to write it for you (lots of options here). | 16:38 |
SDuensin | I don't even know what authmemcookie is. But sounds like something I need to learn. :-) | 16:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: you pass coookie information to apache and then apache passes you session information if a session matches a good cookie. | 16:38 |
SDuensin | Interesting. I was gonna hack something like that together myself. Guess I need to try The Google more often. | 16:40 |
* SDuensin wants to integrate an IMAP reader into WebGUI. | 16:40 | |
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@rizen | all hail perlmonkey2 | 16:57 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: eh? | 16:57 |
@rizen | do you prefer not to be hailed? | 16:57 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: only when I'm king for a day, which isn't for a few more months. | 16:58 |
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@perlmonkey2 | rizen: the grahaminator | 17:20 |
SDuensin | Morning, rizen. | 17:24 |
@rizen | morning SD | 17:26 |
SDuensin | rizen, no email from the mothership yet. | 17:28 |
@rizen | huh? | 17:28 |
SDuensin | You said I'd get mail from someone so I could start causing damage. | 17:28 |
@rizen | monday | 17:29 |
@rizen | plus, feel free to email him: vrby@plainblack.com | 17:29 |
SDuensin | Ah, ok, cool. | 17:29 |
SDuensin | Monday is good. :-) | 17:29 |
@rizen | in the meant time, fix bugs | 17:29 |
* SDuensin is learning. | 17:30 | |
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topsub | We installed a SQLForm.pm asset on 7.5.30 and when we are trying to do table joins we get javascript error "AjaxRequest is not defined". We are trying to select the current webgui table. Is this not allowed? | 17:44 |
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@perlmonkey2 | topsub: j/s looking to see when the SQLForm was removed | 17:50 |
topsub | When this asset was isntalled doesn't seem like the Help nor the il8n directory was put into our lib folder. Would this have an effect? | 17:51 |
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@preaction | topsub, at best it wouldn't show certain labels, at worse it won't work at all | 17:59 |
topsub | lol hmm | 18:00 |
topsub | maybe i shoudl put those in there | 18:00 |
topsub | not sure why they weren't installed | 18:00 |
topsub | so i guess its possible that because the il8n folder isn't there that is cause the error? | 18:02 |
@preaction | is possible yes | 18:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8463 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Get CS Mail workflow doesn't commit version tags created | 18:20 |
topsub | I added the other i8ln and help and still get the "AjaxRequest is not defined" | 18:26 |
topsub | I only get the error when i select certain databases | 18:26 |
topsub | the ones i don't get the error shows the table dropdown list but its empty | 18:27 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8464 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Deactivate macro no longer needs a template. HasValueText macro is now called If | 19:07 |
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+MrHairgrease | howdy! | 19:13 |
+MrHairgrease | how was the rfe day? | 19:14 |
@preaction | is! and i've been bugfixing all day | 19:17 |
+MrHairgrease | oh, | 19:17 |
+MrHairgrease | i forgot about the tz difference | 19:17 |
+MrHairgrease | i just came home from my non-oqapi job | 19:18 |
@preaction | is it at least a fun job? | 19:18 |
@preaction | dare i say, a GOOEY job? | 19:18 |
+MrHairgrease | i get to handle with dangerous chemicals and expensive equipment | 19:19 |
+MrHairgrease | so i'd say yeah | 19:19 |
+MrHairgrease | tomorrow will be gooey time again | 19:19 |
nuba_ | dangerous chemicals!? nice | 19:19 |
nuba_ | you may end up growing some appendages | 19:19 |
nuba_ | any radioactive materials too? | 19:20 |
nuba_ | thatd be even more cooler | 19:20 |
nuba_ | or maybe hotter.. | 19:20 |
+MrHairgrease | no, no radioactive materials | 19:21 |
+MrHairgrease | which is why i still have only two eyes | 19:22 |
+MrHairgrease | when will the feature freeze be excatly btw? is that 00:00 chicago time or just when 'you guys get up' | 19:23 |
@khenn | it's whenever "tomorrow" is for you | 19:23 |
@khenn | so if tomorrow for you is midnight Alaska, it's still good =) | 19:24 |
+MrHairgrease | I was asking that to see if i could still check two things in when it's tomorrow for me, but you guys are (hopefully for you) still vast asleep. | 19:27 |
rjacobsen | sduensin: good afternoon | 19:41 |
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rjacobsen | sduensin: i have the gallery template working awesome except for 1 minor problem.... the view album page (in internet explorer) drops the images below each other, where as in firefox it lines them up to the edge of the page and then loops | 19:43 |
rjacobsen | not sure how i can tell in the <tmpl_var file_loop> what number image it is on to be able to tell it to <br> at say 4 images so I can put the images in table cells | 19:45 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8465 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Adding more features to Matrix v2 | 20:37 |
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@tavisto | rizen, you never responded to Lauralyn's follow-up questions on RFE #618. Are there any legitimate parts to this or should I close since she was mistaken about content profiling? | 20:51 |
@rizen | i'l look | 20:52 |
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@rizen | are we talking about 618 (syndicated content asset)? | 20:52 |
@rizen | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/syndicated-content-asset-make-images-in-the-downloaded-rss-feeds-available-in-the-template | 20:53 |
@tavisto | crap 614 sorry | 20:53 |
@tavisto | sheesh helps if I give you the correct # | 20:53 |
@rizen | i'll reply | 20:55 |
@tavisto | k | 20:55 |
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* perlmonkey2 stabs Thingy in the eye | 22:30 | |
@perlmonkey2 | Am I just missing something or does the paginator take a template variable for copying items? | 22:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | not that I can find the paginator template :) | 22:33 |
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npinansky | hey is there any way to make a property of an asset require a value without manually coding it? | 22:38 |
@preaction | you mean like not allow it to be blank? | 22:56 |
@preaction | or set a default? | 22:56 |
npinansky | yes not allowed to be blank | 23:02 |
@preaction | i believe it must be manually coded in processPropertiesFromFormPost | 23:10 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8466 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: Fixed an issue where a variable was declared more than once. | 23:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8467 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 23:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: - rfe: Event hover detail exclusions (#8761) | 23:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: - rfe: Database Link test (#513) | 23:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8468 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm t/Macro/PrevNext.t): continue refactor, add more tests, fix POD | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, do you read Slashdot? | 23:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yes | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | you see the new wind turbine generator article today? | 23:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah | 23:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | pretty cool, but probably not for people like me. | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | Nah, not until you're a PUC | 23:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | the cheapest I've seen home builts is about $1.50 per watt. Commercial turbines easily break the $1 per watt barrier. | 23:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | although if commodity prices keep dropping, maybe they'll be easily affordable by everyone soon. | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | Lots of interest in green energy right now. | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | And even if the cost was $3/watt for this new generator, it might pay itself off in the higher efficiency | 23:20 |
@perlmonkey2 | If it had higher efficiency, it would be lower cost per watt :P | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | hm, yeah | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | no wonder they laid me off last Friday.... ;) | 23:20 |
@perlmonkey2 | well I'm jut being pedantic as there are a billion ways to measure wattage. | 23:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | I prefer 12mph output. | 23:21 |
@tavisto | wow, was looking at this RFE and realized wG doesn't have a max # of login attempts feature... that really surprises me | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | why don't you submit it, tavisto? | 23:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | tavisto: yeah, just hook your rainbow table up to WG and try away. | 23:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh, but you need to know username's first. | 23:23 |
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@tavisto | although I'm assuming the big peeps using wG right now tie into some sort of LDAP and I believe that the account would be locked from the LDAP or AD side | 23:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | so hmm....I guess a rainbow table is useless without a list of usernames. | 23:23 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, that's the RFE | 23:23 |
@tavisto | I just didn't believe it when I first read the RFE... I definitely would have bet money that it was an existing feature. :) Guess I lose | 23:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | tavisto: I don't think it is needed. Since WG doesn't tell you if you have the correct username or not, an attacker would have to get the username and password correct. | 23:25 |
@tavisto | Well this is an old RFE from 2006. I'm wondering if it has any merit or if I should close it then. (#18) | 23:26 |
@tavisto | This person is also suggesting that owner of the account should be able to unlock the account by requesting an email to be sent to his profile email account. | 23:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: if you are bored, I have a nut for you to crack. http://pastebin.com/d3b54c969 | 23:29 |
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@perlmonkey2 | actually anyone bored want to take a look? http://pastebin.com/d3b54c969 | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: needs quoting | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | the values need quoting | 23:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | but they are placeholders? | 23:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | hm, so if I'm going to quote them, how do I tell which columns are strings or not? | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, you're right. The values are placeholders, but the field names aren't | 23:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | you wouldn't want to insert into a INT column "0" | 23:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh | 23:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | gotcha | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | That needs to be done in the UserList, too, from the bugs I see | 23:32 |
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+perlDreamer | AMH_henry, still awake? | 23:33 |
AMH_henry | perlDreamer: yes. btw. thanx for fixing the upgrade script | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | You're welcome. I wanted to make sure that was okay with you guys. | 23:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: eh? UserList? | 23:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | Bugs in my code, or in the bugs list? | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | bugs list | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | I thought Yung wrote UserList? | 23:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: $hash->{$db->dbh->quote_identifier($keyName)} = $newId; was the problem. That added an extra column. | 23:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | ``$keyName`` | 23:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | and `$keyName` :D | 23:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | whups | 23:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | now after I check in about 50 things you'll be able to copy thingy data. | 23:35 |
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+perlDreamer | bopbop: get any postcards yet? | 23:39 |
@bopbop | he says four so far | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | Peter and Tim got theirs out, mine got lost in a pile, so there should be at least one more on the way. | 23:40 |
@bopbop | cool | 23:41 |
AMH_henry | perlDreamer: the code is a lot better using the API. i should have done that in the first place. | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | The WebGUI API is huge, and it keeps changing and expanding. | 23:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | I guess I should have checked with someone in charge, but I added to the Wobject API the copyCollateral method. | 23:43 |
@preaction | WebGUI 8 is the Eve of Destruction! | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, in general, adding API is fine. Especially if it can be reused. | 23:43 |
@preaction | collateral isn't handled by Wobject class anymore, it's best done in an OO manner | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI 9 is the port to Rakudo | 23:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: wow, that sucks. | 23:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh well, that is how Thingy does it. | 23:44 |
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AMH_henry | So in WebGUI 9 we can start writing assets in C++ ;) | 23:50 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8469 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Wobject.pm Wobject/Thingy.pm Wobject/Survey.pm): Thingy now has a copy thing data option. | 23:51 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8470 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Thingy copy thing data docs. | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | If I can build a where clause that makes getLineage do the wrong thing, is that considered a bug? | 23:55 |
@preaction | like a broken where clause? | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's all valid SQL, but getLineage will return unexpected data. | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | I'll post it as a bug, and y'all can tell me how foolish I'm being there. | 23:58 |
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@preaction | that's weird. mysql sucks if it allows that | 00:04 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8471 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm: removed contentPosition filters as they are not needed. | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | gotta go to the bank to open up an account for perlDreamer Consulting. bbl. | 00:11 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8474 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 03:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Help for macro template variables. | 03:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Template for macro, with i18n. | 03:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Final tests for previous/next logic, and for template logic and some basic output checks. | 03:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8475 /WebGUI/ (21 files in 6 dirs): | 03:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: - Added a wait timeout parameter to the WAITING method, so that Spectre | 03:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doesn't have to check something that the workflow activity knows it will | 03:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: have to wait on for a while. | 03:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: - Added --stop and --start aliases to spectre.pl. | 03:21 |
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@perlmonkey2 | lot's of coming and going | 04:10 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, what's up with that? | 04:31 |
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elnino | Hi! I have a website that has about 10 different domains. I want them all pointing to the same site. So I modified the modproxy and the modperl and it works great. Just wondering if and why I need to add it to the .conf file under "sitename"? I currently do not have it listed there. so I wonder what the setting is for. | 06:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8477 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Flux/Rule.pm t/Flux/Rule.t): Tolerate whitespace in combinedExpression | 06:56 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8478 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 06:56 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added a couple of failing PrevNext tests | 06:56 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added previous/next menuTitle and title templates vars for descriptive links | 06:56 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8479 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/upgrades/default_prev_next.wgpkg: Updated PrevNext default template to show descriptive link titles and some extra styling | 06:56 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8481 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Some code cleanup | 07:31 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8482 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 6 dirs): rfe: User Profile Privacy Settings (#507) - users now have granular control of whether or not their profile fields are viewable - admin settings still apply | 07:31 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8483 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Macro_PrevNext.pm i18n/English/Macro_PrevNext.pm): add title template variables | 07:31 |
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@perlmonkey2 | As per the /. article, PB will no longer be paying employees for the time spent booting their computers. Unfortunetly for PB, the Mac's boot in about 15 seconds, so this will average to 0 minutes unpaid. | 16:42 |
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SDuensin | Howdy. | 17:04 |
nuba_ | not quite. you accrue 15 seconds in every boot | 17:05 |
nuba_ | thats one minute every 4 | 17:05 |
nuba_ | guess about 15 minutes per month or so | 17:06 |
nuba_ | if you reboot a lot | 17:06 |
nuba_ | thats something | 17:06 |
SDuensin | But you don't have to reboot a Mac! | 17:06 |
nuba_ | well, you can | 17:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | heh | 17:11 |
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SDuensin | If I get paid for boot time, I'm going to start using my IIgs that needs six floppies to reach the desktop. | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | good luck finding a computer with a disk drive | 17:16 |
SDuensin | It's a IIgs! It has *TWO*! One for each size! | 17:16 |
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BartJol | I'm paid for boot time and Koen wants me to have Windows...., maybe that's why I have a laptop and a normal computer | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | as always, everything can be blamed on Koen =) | 17:32 |
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SDuensin | :-) | 17:33 |
* SDuensin will remember that. | 17:33 | |
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SquOnk | Hi | 18:33 |
SquOnk | Is 7.5.34 coming out today? | 18:34 |
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Bernd_ | Hey perlDreamer, how ist the consulting business going? | 19:02 |
Bernd_ | I have a question related to your last email. | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | Okay, Bernd_: shoot | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | consulting is good so far, the first 3 days, that is | 19:03 |
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Bernd_ | What do you mean by "the patch has to be backported"? | 19:03 |
Bernd_ | Talking about the Userlist. | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | Oh, bug fixes have to be fixed in both branches (7.6 and 7.5) | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | Normally we fix bugs in 7.6 and "backport" to 7.5 | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | well, _I_, not _we_ | 19:04 |
Bernd_ | Ok. So that does not mean extra work for me to done? | 19:04 |
Bernd_ | to be done | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | No | 19:04 |
Bernd_ | Did you find the related bug reports? | 19:05 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - Glad to hear the consulting is going well. Me too! Today has been CrAzY! | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | Yes, and I closed them. | 19:05 |
Lisette | hello, i have an user content manager and he must creates new products, i change the permission of the shop by the admin console for content manager, and when he tries to create a new product the site show that he don't have the permission, what i must do? | 19:05 |
Bernd_ | Perfect! | 19:05 |
Bernd_ | perlDreamer, one more question about the UsersOnline macro. | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | sure, Bernd_: | 19:05 |
Bernd_ | It is not clear to me currently whether the showOnline field is created for new sites. | 19:06 |
Bernd_ | I assume that is not the case. | 19:06 |
Bernd_ | At least it does not work on my local installation. | 19:06 |
Bernd_ | What do I have to do? | 19:06 |
BartJol | Lisette: thoroughly check your settings is what you must do | 19:08 |
Bernd_ | I mean, how can I achieve that it is already there from the beginning? | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: It's in the create.sql script for the 7.6 branch. | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | Its also in the upgrade script for 7.6.2 to 7.6.3 | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | I'd need to know more about what you're doing to help out. | 19:08 |
Lisette | how? | 19:08 |
BartJol | well I can not guess from here, since I don't know how your site's been setup | 19:09 |
Lisette | i create an user and add the group content managers | 19:09 |
BartJol | so the page or other container asset where your shop is should be editable bu that group/user | 19:09 |
Bernd_ | Ok. So nothing to worry about? | 19:09 |
Lisette | yes | 19:10 |
Lisette | i do this | 19:10 |
Bernd_ | Cool! | 19:10 |
Bernd_ | Going to start new projects then :-) | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: You're good to go. | 19:10 |
Lisette | and i chage the settings of the shop | 19:10 |
Bernd_ | BTW, how was RFE day yesterday? | 19:10 |
BartJol | Lisette: and is he also in the Product managers group? | 19:11 |
Lisette | who can managers and select content managers | 19:11 |
Bernd_ | Unfortunately, I was not at home. | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | I was doing business stuff most of the day. rizen made a follow-up post to his RFE day #3 blog entry | 19:11 |
Bernd_ | Hope to be able to join the next one again. | 19:11 |
Lisette | no, ok, thanks | 19:11 |
Bernd_ | I have read that one already. | 19:11 |
BartJol | mmm, those RFE days are always on tuesdays | 19:12 |
Bernd_ | Alright. Not going to bug you any longer. | 19:12 |
Bernd_ | Enjoy work! | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | Thanks, Bernd_! | 19:12 |
Bernd_ | I am done for today. | 19:12 |
BartJol | at daytime I'm at a customer and at nighttime I fly and look for innocent virgins | 19:12 |
Lisette | i do that and nothing | 19:13 |
Bernd_ | Found any yesterday? | 19:13 |
Lisette | don't work | 19:13 |
Bernd_ | bopbop, when I past a magazine stand today I encountered another magazine that might be interesting. | 19:14 |
@bopbop | yes? | 19:14 |
Bernd_ | What do you think of that one: http://www.pcpraxis.de/index.php?option=com_zeitschriften&auswahl=30 | 19:15 |
Bernd_ | Might be even better than the linux mag. | 19:15 |
@bopbop | yeah, it can't hurt to try :) | 19:15 |
@bopbop | and since it's for open source | 19:15 |
@bopbop | maybe it will have fewer "rules" | 19:15 |
Bernd_ | Hopefully :-) | 19:15 |
BartJol | sorry Lisette, can't see exactly what's happening, and I have to go, good luck | 19:16 |
Bernd_ | Is that common that computer magazines do not accept any pre-written articles | 19:16 |
Lisette | ok | 19:16 |
Bernd_ | ? | 19:16 |
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SDuensin | Depends on the magazine. Most would take them, I'd think. | 19:16 |
@bopbop | it is somewhat common, because they want to be neutral - prewritten articles run the risk of bias | 19:16 |
Bernd_ | Hm, not the German linux magazine :-( | 19:17 |
Bernd_ | What about that one: Internet Magazin - magnus.de | 19:17 |
Bernd_ | http://internet-magazin.magnus.de/ | 19:17 |
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Bernd_ | They have PHP on the current cover but I do not think it is limited to that. | 19:17 |
Bernd_ | Shotgun approach? | 19:18 |
SDuensin | Dr. Dobb's here in the states is always looking. | 19:18 |
Bernd_ | Just write to them all? | 19:18 |
Bernd_ | Is that a magazin? | 19:18 |
Bernd_ | But I am looking for some German mag actually. | 19:18 |
@bopbop | you could just write to as many as possible | 19:18 |
@bopbop | and see who replies most favorably | 19:18 |
Lisette | I have a user who is in the groups content managers and product managers to manage the shop, the shop of the admin console configure the permissions for the group product managers, and when the user tries to create a new product I get permissions error , I do? | 19:18 |
Bernd_ | Good. Going to do that then. | 19:19 |
@bopbop | fingers crossed | 19:19 |
Bernd_ | Would you mind to have a look a the letter first before I start to distribute? | 19:19 |
@bopbop | sure, email it | 19:19 |
Bernd_ | I could do a rough translation. | 19:19 |
@bopbop | ok | 19:19 |
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@preaction | Lisette: creating a new product is something for the Turn Admin On group, not shop managers | 19:20 |
Bernd_ | Good. Probably on Sunday. | 19:20 |
Bernd_ | Hopefully... | 19:20 |
Lisette | you mean that the only admins can create the products? | 19:21 |
Lisette | preaction | 19:24 |
@preaction | Lisette: Products are Assets, whoever can add Assets can add Products | 19:24 |
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Lisette | how to creates a macro that creates a form and process? | 19:46 |
+MrHairgrease | by programming it =) | 19:49 |
+MrHairgrease | bye | 19:49 |
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Lisette | WebGUI have an api that creates a form? | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | Lisette, WebGUI has several forms. They are subclasses of WebGUI::Form and can be found in lib/WebGUI/Form/*.pm | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | There are easy methods for using the forms, in WebGUI::HTMLForm and WebGUI::TabForm | 20:13 |
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Lisette | thanks i see | 20:22 |
Lisette | i'm going to see | 20:23 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8488 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Replaced Matrix with newer version | 21:12 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8489 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding javascript files for new Matrix | 21:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8490 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (MatrixFieldType.pm MatrixCompare.pm): Adding new Matrix Form elements | 21:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8491 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Form_MatrixCompare.pm: Adding international for MatrixCompare form element | 21:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | mysql tables with empty comment columns should be dropped. | 21:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'm just saying. | 21:58 |
SquOnk | lol | 21:59 |
* SquOnk wishes for free time to get WebGUI to run on PostgreSQL | 21:59 | |
* perlmonkey2 wishes he wasn't reverse engineering DB schemas from a bunch of templated code. | 22:00 | |
@perlmonkey2 | users are identified with groups in the groupings table? | 22:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | well, seems right to me. I'll go with it. | 22:06 |
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rjacobsen | sduensin - good afternoon | 22:10 |
SDuensin | Greetings. | 22:11 |
rjacobsen | i fully integrated your piece of work with the webgui gallery and it works great | 22:13 |
rjacobsen | i also fixed the code for the rollover of the images | 22:14 |
rjacobsen | there was 1 bad line of code if you guys want to make the fix available to everyone | 22:14 |
SDuensin | Sweet! | 22:15 |
rjacobsen | let me get it on a site fast so you can see it | 22:15 |
rjacobsen | http://www.alanaethridge.org <<< check it out | 22:21 |
SDuensin | oading | 22:22 |
SDuensin | I like! | 22:24 |
rjacobsen | fully operational | 22:24 |
rjacobsen | if you want - tell me where to send the package and ill send it to ya | 22:24 |
SDuensin | Sure! scott@jaegertech.com | 22:25 |
rjacobsen | ill just zip it and send it | 22:25 |
elnino | Hi! I have a website that has about 10 different domains. I want them all pointing to the same site. So I modified the modproxy and the modperl and it works great. I didn't add them to the .conf file, but it still works. So I"m just wondering what that setting does? | 22:28 |
rjacobsen | sduensin see if you got the email please and if you can read the code i put in it... i wrote in the email exactly what i fixed in the thumbnails.js file in the gallery asset | 22:40 |
elnino | rjacobsen - your products from your site just went onto my christmas list for my daughter!!! thank you for sharing! | 22:41 |
SDuensin | Not here yet. Will keep watching. | 22:41 |
rjacobsen | hmm | 22:42 |
rjacobsen | well it is on the way | 22:42 |
rjacobsen | make a noise in here when you get it and see it is ok as i have the window minimized | 22:42 |
SDuensin | rjacobsen - Awooga! Awoooga! I got it. Thanks! | 22:51 |
rjacobsen | cool | 22:51 |
rjacobsen | hope you can use that in the next update - it totally fixes the gallery asset | 22:52 |
SDuensin | Did you post it to the PB bug board? | 22:52 |
rjacobsen | obviously i have specced the css to my websites - but that can be changed | 22:52 |
rjacobsen | i havent had time........ i now have to update 50 websites....... since i finally got it fixed | 22:53 |
SDuensin | hehehe | 22:53 |
rjacobsen | ill be at that till monday - just figured i would at least give it to you | 22:53 |
SDuensin | I appreciate it. Been wanting to add the light-box myself. Just not had time. | 22:54 |
rjacobsen | appreciate the cool help with it as well | 22:54 |
SDuensin | My pleasure. | 22:54 |
rjacobsen | well it totally works now, and aside from some css tweaks, it should be fully functional | 22:54 |
rjacobsen | i will also be adding a new flash macro to the webgui boards when i get time | 22:55 |
rjacobsen | it is very cool | 22:55 |
rjacobsen | works in ALL browsers too | 22:55 |
SDuensin | I hacked together a player template, too. | 22:56 |
rjacobsen | my next project is building a complete flash website inside of webgui with NO html at all | 22:56 |
rjacobsen | we are so sick of html and its total inconsistancy.......... | 22:57 |
SquOnk | Foly huck! | 22:57 |
rjacobsen | yep | 22:57 |
rjacobsen | no html | 22:57 |
SDuensin | here's my test page for Flash: http://www.duensing.com/scott/video-tests | 22:58 |
rjacobsen | we already have the plan laid out | 22:58 |
SDuensin | We need to talk rizen into using ObjJ & Cappuccino for stuff. :-) | 22:58 |
rjacobsen | no i am going to totally write the browser and website completely in flash | 22:59 |
rjacobsen | no more ie, moz, saf, op.... and all those idiots | 23:00 |
SquOnk | rjacobsen: Um... how about blind people who'd like to use the web? | 23:00 |
SquOnk | rjacobsen: ...or the bots for that matter. | 23:01 |
rjacobsen | well guess ill be the next bill gates and design a whole new browser | 23:01 |
SDuensin | Uh, screw em? | 23:01 |
rjacobsen | because html is so unreliable | 23:01 |
* SDuensin once set off to write an ActiveX control that was the Mozilla rendering engine. Find IE, replace it! | 23:01 | |
rjacobsen | at least with flash you know what you get | 23:02 |
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rjacobsen | im so sick of having to check my code in 6 damm browsers to see if it works...... and then the layout looks completely different in each one | 23:03 |
SDuensin | Only six? | 23:03 |
rjacobsen | eliminate html, css, and javascript........... use flex and flash....... and vwalla....... it looks the same everywhere no matter what browser | 23:03 |
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rjacobsen | anyhow......... finished with my plan to conquer the world......... back to html *cry | 23:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | rjacobsen: so write a flash cms | 23:06 |
rjacobsen | i like webgui | 23:07 |
rjacobsen | just hate html | 23:07 |
rjacobsen | wish i could use php in webgui........ would make life so much easier | 23:07 |
rjacobsen | sorry if im in a crabby mood........ im 39 years old today and hard to believe im almost 40............. | 23:10 |
SquOnk | rjacobsen: Hey, I'm 39 too. | 23:11 |
rjacobsen | cool | 23:11 |
rjacobsen | or..... i'm sorry | 23:11 |
SquOnk | rjacobsen: And my life has been easier since 1994 when I started used Perl and skipped the PHP bag-of-crap entirely :-) | 23:12 |
rjacobsen | what do you make of this sduensin? http://www.mylittletunes.com/photo_gallery3?func=listAlbumsRss | 23:12 |
rjacobsen | well good evening..... off to home | 23:17 |
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+perlDreamer | self-employment tax sucks | 23:41 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - I don't wanna know. | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | Let's just say we're going to be 7.65% more patriotic than other Americans | 23:44 |
SDuensin | Whee. | 23:47 |
elnino | it's going to get worse. | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | I know | 23:53 |
elnino | Would you be able to tell me what the site name configuration variable in the conf file does? it doesn't seem to affect what domains the webgui site "answers" to. | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | site name in the config file... | 23:56 |
elnino | yep | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | well, it's used to construct full URLs in Session/Url | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | It's returned by a macro | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | that's just off the top of my head | 23:57 |
elnino | I have a site that answers to about 10 domains. I modified the mod proxy and mod perl files and it works fine without adding them all to to conf file. So I was curious if I needed to add the domains there as well, it didn't seem to affect anything. | 23:57 |
elnino | (without them there) | 23:57 |
elnino | (without them *listed* in the conf file) | 23:58 |
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+perlDreamer | elnino, you can read perl code, right? | 00:00 |
elnino | yes | 00:00 |
elnino | I ty | 00:00 |
elnino | try | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | okay. The only place I've found where multiple sitenames may make a difference, is in WebGUI::Session::Url::getSiteName. | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | basicallly, I did this | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | ack -i -- 'config->get..sitename' | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | and looked through that | 00:01 |
elnino | ok.. I'll take a look. Thanks! | 00:02 |
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elnino | perlDreamer. There is a lot of assumption that the first site name is the one that I want used. I wonder why the HTTP server variable SERVER_NAME iisn't used instead? | 00:20 |
elnino | or HTTP Host | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | you can set it to use that | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | but by default, it uses the first entry of the sitename variable | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | see the hostTouse conditional check? | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | "hostToUse" | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | that determines if it uses the first sitename entry, or if it uses the requested http host | 00:22 |
elnino | oh! I thought. You guys think of everything. | 00:22 |
elnino | nix the "I thought" I was starting a different sentence and never finished =) | 00:22 |
elnino | I didn't see the conditional check, Cause I don't have ack I had to use grep, and it gives you only one line... | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | I only used ack to tell me where to look. | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | no magic there ;) | 00:25 |
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@preaction | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=webgui | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | that's funny | 00:27 |
elnino | I think there is a flag for grep to show so-many-lines of context - I never looked into it... I thought maybe ack did that automatically. | 00:29 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam: I learned some valuable consulting lessons today | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | 1) Self-employment tax in the US is about 7% | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | 2) One cannot watch SciFi repeats and efficiently hack perl. | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | time for a break | 01:35 |
patspam | re: 2, at least you end up with awesome sci-fi themed test cases | 01:38 |
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SDuensin | If it's a SciFi Original Movie I can. :-) | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | or if Uwe Boll wrote/directed it? | 01:56 |
SDuensin | Hey! Talk nice about him or he'll BOX YOU! | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | Or write a movie about me. Don't know which would be worse. | 02:01 |
SDuensin | I saw one video interview with him where he was a pretty cool guy. The guy interviewing him didn't attack him like most people and let him talk. | 02:03 |
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nuba_ | >When rumors surfaced that Boll had expressed interest in a Metal Gear Solid movie, and claimed to have been given a script to read, Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima responded in his audioblog HIDECHAN, "Absolutely not! I don't know why Uwe Boll is even talking about this kind of thing. We've never talked to him. It's impossible that we'd ever do a movie with him."[12] | 02:07 |
nuba_ | from wikipedia | 02:07 |
nuba_ | LOL | 02:07 |
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+Radix-wrk | haha | 02:22 |
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JuanL | good evening.. I just found at wiki / installation-options, a message saying WRE has 300% improved performance over source install... is this because of the mysql and apache2 binaries inside WRE ? | 02:26 |
JuanL | or this can be achieved by tweaking the configuration? | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | JuanL: The WRE apache2 and mysql binaries are stripped way down and optimized for WebGUI use. | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | You could get some, but not all of that performance improvement with config changes to each. | 02:28 |
+Radix-wrk | the WRE is also configured with a mod_proxy/mod_perl structure which improves things no end too | 02:28 |
SDuensin | Terribly off topic, but any gamers in here? Steam has Half-Life for 99 cents! Just spreading the joy. :-) | 02:29 |
+Radix-wrk | and I've heard some of the mysql/apache builds that come with some distro's are incredibly slow in comparison. | 02:29 |
JuanL | ok.. I see. Thanks so much. | 02:29 |
+Radix-wrk | SDuensin, yes, but surely any REAL gamers have had half-life for years now ;) | 02:29 |
+Radix-wrk | I still have a couple of copies of half-life 2 I can give away on steam too from memory | 02:30 |
SDuensin | I know, but there's a lot of Mac users in here. :-P | 02:30 |
JuanL | ok.... in terms of security... what the recommendation would be? WRE vs Source ? | 02:30 |
SDuensin | HL runs on Mac (with Steam) under WINE/CrossOver. | 02:30 |
SDuensin | Radix-wrk - Yep! I already gifted out my extras. | 02:30 |
JuanL | usually I'd rather use manual tweaking at the config files to improve security instead of trust default configurations... | 02:31 |
JuanL | that's why I ask.. I'm very new to webgui, I'm planning to migrate from Metadot | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | there's no real difference in security between the WRE and a source install. | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | WRE updates are less frequent, but I believe they cherry pick them carefully. | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | These would be great questions to ask on the forums at webgui.org. | 02:33 |
@preaction | the WRE is the same source packages, just compiled by us and configured for webgui | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, I think the question had more to do with release schedules for bugfixes vs normal releases. | 02:34 |
@preaction | ah | 02:34 |
JuanL | indeed.. | 02:34 |
JuanL | I see.. well you've been all very kind, thank you. Will go back to my sandbox and keep playing. perlDreamer, I'll make those questions as you suggested | 02:35 |
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+perlDreamer | It's a pretty valid WRE question | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | I don't if WRE releases keep up with bugfixes for all subcomponents. | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know if... | 02:39 |
nuba_ | anyone here ever checked out seaside? | 02:44 |
nuba_ | this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside_(software) | 02:45 |
SDuensin | Read about it. | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | Randal Schwartz and his company really like it. | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | time to go into daddy mode. | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | later guys | 02:48 |
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SDuensin | I've been wanting to learn Squeak. No time. | 02:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8492 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm t/Macro/PrevNext.t): interim check-in. A few problems left to solve | 03:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8493 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Macro/PrevNext.t: update tests to match macro behavior | 03:38 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8494 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added new operand: AssetId, which simply returns the assetId of the asset for which the flux rule is being evaluated against (if any) | 09:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8495 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: Hacked Collaboration to make it play nicer with flux | 09:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8496 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Flux/Rule.pm Flux/Expression.pm Flux.pm Asset.pm): Cleaned up debug messages to make them actually useful for debugging | 09:33 |
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BartJol | he pesl, Dutch? | 13:10 |
pesl | Yup | 13:11 |
BartJol | do I know you already? | 13:11 |
BartJol | I'm off for lunch | 13:13 |
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pesl | I dont know if you know mew already :) | 13:57 |
pesl | Why? | 13:57 |
BartJol | Oh just wondering, the Dutch community isn't that big | 14:10 |
BartJol | so we welcome everyone | 14:10 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:30 |
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Bernd_ | Hey folks, | 18:17 |
SDuensin | Morning. | 18:17 |
Bernd_ | I am trying to convince a guy from our IT department that WebGUI would be a good choice for our intranet. | 18:18 |
Bernd_ | But we are struggling with ldap authentication. | 18:18 |
Bernd_ | Is anyone familiar with that? | 18:18 |
Bernd_ | Currently, WebGUI tells us that the connection is invalid. | 18:18 |
Bernd_ | But it does not tell us why. | 18:18 |
Bernd_ | Is there more information in the log file or somewhere else? | 18:19 |
Bernd_ | BTW, we are using the CentOS appliance. | 18:19 |
SDuensin | Sorry. I don't use LDAP (yet). :-/ | 18:19 |
@rizen | the admin guide explains how to use it if you have that book | 18:19 |
@rizen | there's a whole chapter on it | 18:19 |
Bernd_ | Not yet. | 18:19 |
Bernd_ | Probably going to order it then. | 18:19 |
Bernd_ | Now that prices have dropped :-) | 18:19 |
@rizen | if you have warnings on in your log there may be additional info put to the log | 18:20 |
SDuensin | Morning, rizen | 18:20 |
@rizen | morning sd | 18:21 |
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Bernd_ | rizen, Admin guide ordered. | 18:47 |
Bernd_ | But since it is going to take weeks to arrive, | 18:47 |
Bernd_ | would you mind to give us a hint? | 18:47 |
Bernd_ | The connection is valid now. | 18:47 |
Bernd_ | Still we cannot log in as ordinary users. | 18:48 |
Bernd_ | It seems to be related to the password field?! | 18:48 |
Bernd_ | That is the name of it. | 18:48 |
SDuensin | Those books arrive a lot faster than Lulu says they will. | 18:48 |
Bernd_ | The content managers guide took 3 weeks to ship! | 18:49 |
SDuensin | Really? Dang. | 18:49 |
SDuensin | I got my Dev Guide in a week. | 18:49 |
Bernd_ | But you are located in the US? | 18:49 |
SDuensin | Yea. | 18:50 |
Bernd_ | We are in Germany. | 18:50 |
Bernd_ | So its overseas shipping. | 18:50 |
Bernd_ | it's | 18:50 |
SDuensin | Oh. Well, you're screwed. :-) | 18:50 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'm not real up to speed on WG's messaging/mail system. How would a user send a message to someone else? | 18:51 |
Bernd_ | Via the profile view. | 18:51 |
Bernd_ | Or directly using the respective operation. | 18:51 |
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Bernd_ | Wooha. Got it to work! | 19:11 |
Bernd_ | But it is definitely not self-explanatory. | 19:11 |
Bernd_ | Hover help could certainly be improved. | 19:11 |
Bernd_ | See you tomorrow! | 19:16 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: is Plain Black glossy, or more of a matte finish? | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | topsub: ping | 20:38 |
topsub | yes? | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | Have you had a chance to revisit the recover password template bug you posted? | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | I can't duplicate it in either 7.5 or 7.6 | 20:41 |
topsub | ah, yes i saw that i hope to get to it today, as i have some down time today | 20:41 |
topsub | i guess that demo site i made | 20:41 |
topsub | is gone now were i could duplicatei t | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's the bummer of demo sites | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | I did the same thing :( | 20:42 |
topsub | i try to make new demo site right now | 20:43 |
topsub | and see | 20:43 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: i don't know what you mean, our logo? our brochures? something else? | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | just the concept of plain black | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | is it flat, absorbing all light in an ominous fashion, or glossy and bright and plain black? | 20:47 |
@rizen | oh, yeah, flat | 20:48 |
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@rizen | it's a plain black | 20:48 |
@rizen | so ordinary, not outstanding, overstated, just ordinary | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | I'm having problems coming up with a logo for pDC, and am looking around for inspiration. | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | Kathy put the kaibosh on a camel dreaming about a gooey dreaming about a camel | 20:49 |
@rizen | my only advice for you is to keep it as absolutely simple as possibl | 20:49 |
@rizen | e | 20:49 |
@rizen | no more than 2 colors | 20:49 |
topsub | perlDreamer, unless i am missing something i can recreate it on demo.webgui.org | 20:50 |
@rizen | and try to keep it viewable with just 1 | 20:50 |
@rizen | use bold strokes | 20:50 |
@rizen | nothing that would look gaudy as you size it up, or that would disappear as you size it down | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | topsub, what's the url? | 20:50 |
topsub | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1227206401_674/ | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | I'm guessing I'm doing something slightly different from you that works | 20:51 |
topsub | i setup a custom template | 20:51 |
topsub | adding some random text | 20:51 |
topsub | and it doesn't show when i logout of the ssytem and click that i forgot my password | 20:51 |
topsub | Ya i can't visit what you setup to see what you did ;-( | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | topsub, in the setting it says to use the default one | 20:52 |
topsub | r u sure? | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | have a look | 20:53 |
topsub | arg. i chagned the wrong one | 20:53 |
topsub | <-- my fault | 20:53 |
topsub | give me a second | 20:53 |
topsub | look at "Expired Password Template" | 20:54 |
topsub | i have my custom one there | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | oh! | 20:54 |
topsub | fixing it now, just a moment | 20:55 |
topsub | okay now give that a shot | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | yup, that's looks broken | 20:57 |
+perlDreamer | I wonder why I can't duplicate it on my dev site? | 20:57 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try again | 20:57 |
topsub | how did your work? | 20:57 |
topsub | let me change the title | 20:58 |
+perlDreamer | hang on a sec | 20:58 |
+perlDreamer | I want to flush the cache and try again | 20:58 |
+perlDreamer | no difference | 20:59 |
+perlDreamer | do you have a new content menu on the demo site? | 20:59 |
topsub | Only thing i changed was this template | 20:59 |
topsub | and put like "hi hi hi hi hi" in the template | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah, I saw that | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | topsub, how did you make that custom template? | 21:04 |
topsub | i hit manage assets beside the password recovery | 21:04 |
topsub | hit duplicate | 21:04 |
topsub | then edited and changed the name | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | hm. I did a copy/paste from the asset manager | 21:06 |
+perlDreamer | and it worked | 21:06 |
topsub | what do you mean copy paste | 21:06 |
topsub | you copied the asset | 21:07 |
topsub | pasted it back down | 21:07 |
topsub | and it worked | 21:07 |
topsub | ah yep | 21:07 |
topsub | so your not able to duplicate a template | 21:07 |
topsub | and use it | 21:07 |
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+perlDreamer | it seems like the profile method makes a difference too | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | I changed it to profileField from emailAddress, and i see extra text now | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | do you? | 21:08 |
topsub | On the demo i did, i just did a copy one | 21:09 |
topsub | like you suggested because i was wondering if it would work | 21:09 |
topsub | so it seems duplicating the template makes it now work | 21:09 |
topsub | i can change it back | 21:09 |
topsub | i was just wanting to give it a try | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | I also changed the recovery method. I think if you reset it to email address, it will still be broken. | 21:10 |
topsub | ooo | 21:10 |
topsub | i had it on email at first | 21:10 |
topsub | brb meeting | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | oh dude, you won't believe this | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | the email recover password screen is not templatable | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | I guess it kind of makes sense, but it's very non-intuitive. | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | I can probably rebuild the form so that it has similar variables to the profile field one. | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | and there's no hoverhelp in the Authentication settings, either! | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | well, I'll do the easy hoverhelp first, and then start on the template | 21:22 |
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topsub | back | 21:31 |
topsub | its not templateable? | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | no | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | and there's no hoverhelp to help clarify that | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to spend a little bit of time seeing if I can make it templatable or not. | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | If I can, I will. | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | if I can't I'll at least add hoverHelp | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | where templatable = uses exactly the same template variables as the profile field form | 21:34 |
topsub | arlight | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for helping me figure that out! | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, sounds like I need to think more about it | 21:38 |
topsub | no problem perlDreamer | 21:41 |
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+perlDreamer | man, no wonder I'm hungry, it's noon! | 22:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8497 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: fix typos in Auth.pm POD | 22:13 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8498 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: merge in POD fixes from 7.5 branch | 22:13 |
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topsub | noon??? its 4pm! | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | dude, you must be hungry too | 23:01 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8499 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetExportHtml.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): fix broken i18n for asset export | 23:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8500 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: fix a typo in the hoverhelp i18n call | 23:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8501 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetExportHtml.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): forward porting asset export i18n and hoverhelp | 23:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8502 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: fix bad value in asset export | 23:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8503 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: fix bad value in asset export | 23:14 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8504 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add hoverhelp to WebGUI auth screen | 23:14 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, are you releasing a 7.5 today? | 23:40 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | when are you starting? | 23:40 |
@Haarg | it'll be a while | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'm bug fixing, so please give me a ping | 23:40 |
@Haarg | sure thing | 23:40 |
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ecogui | Hello all | 23:59 |
ecogui | I'm new here to this IRC channel | 23:59 |
@Haarg | greetings | 23:59 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, ecogui | 23:59 |
@preaction | hello | 23:59 |
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ecogui | I'm trying to find out some info on WebGUI's VM Appliance | 00:00 |
ecogui | I am the one that logged but 9096 | 00:00 |
ecogui | regarding the VM taking system memory and never returning it | 00:00 |
ecogui | and also a possible leak | 00:00 |
ecogui | I was wondering on average how long it usually takes for a bug to be assigned or accepted by a developer? | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | ecogui, it depends on the bug, and which developers have time available | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | For those with pressing needs, priority bug fixing is provided by several companies. | 00:02 |
ecogui | ok thanks for the info | 00:04 |
ecogui | it is causing my server to crash | 00:04 |
ecogui | I thought it was my code at first | 00:05 |
ecogui | but given that the issue seems to be present on WebGUI's on unmodified VM I was thinking PlainBlack might be interested in fixing it ASAP | 00:05 |
@preaction | how much memory does your VM instance have available to it? | 00:07 |
ecogui | Well my server has 4GB. | 00:08 |
ecogui | But I'm not sure how much memory the PlainBlack VM has | 00:08 |
ecogui | I can't remember off hand | 00:08 |
ecogui | I assume enough as they are the ones who made it and are distributing it | 00:08 |
@preaction | WebGUI typically takes 600-700M just idling, depending on how many mod_perl processes are running | 00:09 |
ecogui | Even so it is more that WebGUI never releases it's memory | 00:09 |
ecogui | and in fact eats up more just sitting there | 00:09 |
@preaction | WebGUI uses Apache2::SizeLimit to make sure that those processes don't exceed about 90M | 00:09 |
ecogui | with an environment like that ANY system will eventually go down | 00:09 |
ecogui | Ok that's good to know I will check that out on the un-touched VM to make sure it does not exceed about 90MB | 00:11 |
@preaction | right, but if that were a problem, we'd see a lot more issues with it, and we don't | 00:11 |
ecogui | I know it does for sure on my server. Just by browsing to a few pages though (5 or 6) WebGUI racked up 60+MB of RAM usage. | 00:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8505 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): template the email password recovery form | 00:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8506 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): backporting template email password recovery fix | 00:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8507 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: document bug fix | 00:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8508 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: document bug fix | 00:12 |
ecogui | Ok I will check the VM again I do apriciate the help and answers so far | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | khenn: was the publicEmail profile field changed/removed with the new account system? | 00:13 |
@khenn | removed | 00:13 |
@khenn | you can set any field now | 00:13 |
@khenn | not just email | 00:13 |
ecogui | In the bug I logged I include a script that checks the system memory and the output it produced. It does look like it eat up memory just idling (no usage) but I will have confirm that it caps at about 90MB or so. | 00:13 |
@preaction | 60MB per mod_perl instance is about normal | 00:13 |
@preaction | actually, that's a little better than normal | 00:14 |
ecogui | yeah it went up to 71MB or so from 60 after an hour of just sitting there | 00:14 |
@preaction | spectre is running, which creates usage | 00:14 |
ecogui | Ok, thanks for the help. I will test this out again (maybe overnight) to see if the memory is eventually released or capped | 00:15 |
ecogui | I will include the information in the bug I have logged | 00:15 |
@preaction | that's just how it works. there is a maximum limit, both the MaxRequestsPerChild imposed by Apache, and the Apache2::SizeLimit | 00:15 |
ecogui | do you know if it ever releases this memory? or does it just cap it at a Maximum limit? | 00:16 |
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@preaction | ecogui: when the process reaches the limit, it is killed (which releases the memory) | 00:17 |
SynQ | hi there | 00:17 |
@preaction | the same way that MaxRequestsPerChild does it | 00:17 |
SynQ | long time no chat | 00:18 |
@preaction | so as i was saying, Koen never comes in anymore so we can do... | 00:18 |
@preaction | ... HI! | 00:18 |
ecogui | Ok thanks for the info so far Preaction. I will test this out and get back to you on what I find (I will also comment it in the bug 9096). | 00:18 |
SynQ | can someone help me debugging the WRE | 00:18 |
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SynQ | I'm getting an error when I enter a different mysql host then localhost on setup | 00:18 |
SynQ | hi patspam | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: Real programmers use debian packages instead of the WRE | 00:19 |
SynQ | it says: Can't call method "getDatabaseHandle" on unblessed reference at ./wreconsole.pl line 1250. | 00:19 |
SynQ | and line 1250 is an eval statement | 00:19 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: so I hear | 00:19 |
SynQ | but I'd rather use the 'PlainBlack supported' configuration ;) | 00:20 |
SynQ | it is completely reproducable | 00:20 |
SynQ | but I'd rather just fix it then file a bug | 00:20 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: can you tell me what that means? | 00:21 |
SynQ | the 'unblessed reference' | 00:21 |
SynQ | in that case? | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | it tried to make an object, but got undef instead | 00:22 |
@preaction | no, it got a reference, but it wasn't blessed | 00:22 |
SynQ | here is the function that is used: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm?rev=7620 | 00:22 |
SynQ | the 'getDatabaseHandle' | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | looking at the module won't help, you need to look at where it is called | 00:23 |
SynQ | I am guessing that it still tries to connect to the 'default' dsn which is something like localhost | 00:24 |
SynQ | it is called at line 1250 of wreconsole.pl | 00:24 |
SynQ | of wre version 0.8.5 and current svn version | 00:24 |
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SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6929dc88 | 00:25 |
SynQ | the else is for 'if a mysql server on localhost is not used, but anotherone is' | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ, you need to check out the $mysql variable and see what it has inside it. | 00:26 |
SynQ | ok | 00:26 |
SynQ | how can I print the entire structure and entries in the $mysql variable easily? | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | use Data::Dumper | 00:27 |
SynQ | ah | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | then, warn Dumper $mysql | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | the warn should come out on the command line if you invoke it from there | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | which is fairly handy for debugging | 00:30 |
SynQ | $VAR1 = { 'test' => { 'database' => 'test', 'password' => 'test', 'user' => 'test' }, 'adminUser' => 'root', 'hostname' => 'host063.procolix.com', 'port' => '3306' }; | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: a pastebin makes for more readable pastes :) | 00:31 |
SynQ | ok :) | 00:31 |
SynQ | it's in the same pastebin I just posted | 00:32 |
SynQ | but that actually looks quite ok | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | this one: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6929dc88 | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | still looks like code with prints and $db's | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | I bet it made a new url | 00:33 |
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SynQ | I don't get it | 00:35 |
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SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5a0e2896 | 00:35 |
SynQ | all the value's of $mysql as well as the values in $collected seem perfectly OK to me | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | but it's not a blessed object | 00:37 |
SynQ | I'm guessing that part of code has never been used by anyone before | 00:37 |
SynQ | how can I bless it then? | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | it should have always been blessed | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | Usually, you need a priest and some holy water. | 00:38 |
SynQ | :) | 00:38 |
SynQ | and kill a hamster? | 00:38 |
SynQ | why is eval used there? | 00:38 |
SynQ | and what does that have to do with the blessing? | 00:39 |
SynQ | from what I can remember it has to do with security and the eval statement | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | the problem is before the eval. It's when the $mysql object is made | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | eval is used to trap errors | 00:39 |
SynQ | ok | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | let me get a copy, then I'll poke around with you for a bit | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | I have lots of time nowadays | 00:40 |
SynQ | yes please | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | I was laid-off from my old job | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | this is inside the wreconsole script? | 00:41 |
SynQ | I heared you started for yourself | 00:41 |
SynQ | indeed | 00:41 |
SynQ | line 1250 | 00:41 |
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+perlDreamer | yup, there it is right there | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | recycled a variable name | 00:42 |
SynQ | ah | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | $mysql is originally a hash ref | 00:42 |
SynQ | so it is a real bug | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | see line 1183 | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | then, inside one side of the if, line 1208, that variable name is reused | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | but on the other side of the if (else), it isn't | 00:43 |
SynQ | ah | 00:43 |
SynQ | I'm proud of myself | 00:43 |
SynQ | that I found yet another bug | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | insert a copy of line 1208 just before line 1250 and see how that works | 00:43 |
SynQ | can you fix it? | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | I can commit it, but I can't test it | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | it would be better if you did this | 00:43 |
SynQ | that is more like it | 00:45 |
SynQ | now it just complains that there is no 'test' database :P | 00:45 |
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SynQ | it fixes it allright :) | 00:47 |
SynQ | now at least that is something | 00:47 |
SynQ | the test database should just exist in advance | 00:50 |
@preaction | we added the Gallery in 7.5 correct? | 00:52 |
@preaction | not 7.4? | 00:52 |
@preaction | ... i know i should know this since i'm the one who did it, but i'm having a day right now | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | yes, in 7.5 | 00:52 |
@preaction | thanks | 00:52 |
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WebGUI | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADxkviq_WS4 | 01:14 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, i'm doing the release now | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'm bugged out right now anyway | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | Still trying to diagnose one | 01:45 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8509 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.5.33-7.5.34.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: DataForm entry data field is too small | 02:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8510 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm times out when exporting large data sets | 02:06 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8511 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Session/Stow.pm: proper return value for false or nonexistant stow variables | 02:35 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8512 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.34 release | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: I'm ready to do a bugfix commit once you've finished the release. | 02:50 |
@Haarg | ok | 02:53 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8513 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.33-7.5.34.pl: fix upgrade messages | 03:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8514 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.34-stable: Release 7.5.34-stable | 03:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8515 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.35 dev | 03:05 |
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@Haarg | should be ready perlDreamer | 03:09 |
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+perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 04:07 |
+perlDreamer | I'll test the repair script, then commit the modified upgrade | 04:07 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8516 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fixed a number of Matrix datatable problems. | 05:17 |
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patspam | rizen: ping | 05:29 |
@rizen | pong | 05:30 |
@rizen | plink | 05:30 |
@rizen | pingering | 05:30 |
patspam | heh | 05:30 |
@rizen | i think it's broken | 05:30 |
patspam | if we start writing a test suite for Survey2, does the 7.6 feature freeze mean no refactoring of the Survey2 API? | 05:31 |
patspam | I think we'd want to refactor some of the larger www_ methods into smaller subs | 05:32 |
@rizen | nope | 05:32 |
@rizen | api freeze doesn't happen until the first stable release | 05:33 |
@rizen | it's just a feature freeze right now | 05:33 |
patspam | awesome! | 05:33 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, tomorrow would you be able to help me with a little more javascript? | 06:28 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8517 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl): use description as a backup for title in case it is blank when converting Commerce Products into Sku Products | 06:34 |
+perlDreamer | All, I'm going to call it a night. | 07:05 |
+perlDreamer | See you tomorrow. | 07:06 |
patspam | night man! | 07:14 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8518 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 08:40 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added missing groupToEditSurvey Survey table field to upgrade script | 08:40 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Reduced YUI footprint (load -min and combined js/css files where possible) | 08:40 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Updated surveyQuestion template and associated js/css to not use divs with ids that clash with wg page header and footer | 08:40 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8519 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 09:55 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Updated Survey Overview template to show links to reporting urls. | 09:55 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Also updated i18n to include missing labels for reporting urls. | 09:55 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8520 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.4/root_import_survey.wgpkg: Added convenience links to the Edit Survey template | 10:56 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r8521 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm): | 15:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fixed a bug where WG::User would not check whether the friends group exists or not. As a result it was not possible | 15:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: to eg. delete such users. | 15:49 |
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@bopbop | BartJol: when you mention Dutch specialty foods, by "haring", do you mean the fish? | 17:04 |
@bopbop | or do you mean rabbit (hare)? | 17:04 |
@bopbop | I'll assume the fish... | 17:07 |
+MrHairgrease | he means the fish | 17:08 |
+MrHairgrease | herring | 17:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r8522 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm): Merging 8521 | 17:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r8523 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: Reapplying 7.6 specific changes. | 17:09 |
BartJol | bopbop yeah | 17:10 |
BartJol | fish | 17:10 |
@bopbop | ok, just wanted to make sure | 17:10 |
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SDuensin | Hello at last! | 17:32 |
@rizen | Hello at last. Hello at last. Thank god almighty. Hello at last. | 17:34 |
@rizen | Err....something like that. =) | 17:34 |
BartJol | mmm, who's that rizen guy? he seems a sarcastic bastard ;) | 17:35 |
@rizen | he is | 17:35 |
@rizen | both sarcastic and a bastard | 17:35 |
* SDuensin apparently is God Almighty. Cool. | 17:36 | |
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rjacobsen | good morning | 18:17 |
+MrHairgrease | good evening! | 18:18 |
rjacobsen | I was wondering if anyone knew an easy way to export the photographs in the old photo gallery asset to a new gallery asset which seems to be totally different without much trouble | 18:19 |
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SDuensin | Hey rjacobsen - No idea here. Sorry. | 18:19 |
SDuensin | Hi MrHairgrease | 18:19 |
rjacobsen | well i was using the photo gallery collaboration system template and now am using the new gallery template i designed and want to be able to simply import the new package into a website with the old photo gallery and take the images from the old gallery and paste them into the new gallery asset.... but i cannot seem to get inside the gallery asset in the admin console to paste the image assets in | 18:23 |
BartJol | there is a galleryimport script | 18:28 |
BartJol | and you can also import from other assets | 18:28 |
+MrHairgrease | rjacobsen, afaik you cannot just paste images in the gallery | 18:29 |
+MrHairgrease | the gallery wants Photo assets | 18:29 |
+MrHairgrease | which is a different class as the Image assets | 18:29 |
rjacobsen | ok | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | could be wrong here btw. I haven't got to using the gallery yet | 18:30 |
rjacobsen | so off to the long venture of copy and paste | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | as I said | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | I don't think you can copy and paste | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | you should check out the script Bart mentioned | 18:30 |
rjacobsen | i mean copy the image on the web page to my desktop and reimport them in | 18:31 |
+MrHairgrease | it's in WebGUI/sbin | 18:31 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 18:31 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah that would work | 18:31 |
+MrHairgrease | but check the script first | 18:31 |
+MrHairgrease | copy-pasting like that is not a good thing to do on Fridays | 18:32 |
+MrHairgrease | or any other day for that matter | 18:32 |
SDuensin | hehe | 18:32 |
* SDuensin wants an iPhoto->WebGUI sync tool. | 18:32 | |
@preaction | it's in the works, but it has been since the Gallery was designed | 18:33 |
@rizen | SDuensin, how much would you pay to get it? | 18:35 |
@rizen | $20, $50? $100? | 18:35 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8524 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: Rich editor creates root <p> tag even when set to use <br /> | 18:35 |
rjacobsen | anyone know where i can find the gallery import script? | 18:37 |
@preaction | rjacobsen: /data/WebGUI/sbin/migrateToGallery.pl or something like that | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | rjacobsen, in WebGUI 7.6, it's in the sbin directory, /data/WebGUI/sbin. | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | The name is a little misleading | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | It's called galleryImport.pl | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | instead of importGallery.pl | 18:40 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: re adding the synopsis to the meta tags, should it be added automatically, or available as a template variable? | 18:41 |
@rizen | added automatically at this point | 18:41 |
@rizen | but there is an RFE to make the head tags templatable | 18:41 |
@rizen | if you want you can take care of that RFE | 18:41 |
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@rizen | but it's a slight bit more involved | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah. | 18:42 |
@rizen | be happy to explain it to you if you want to do it | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | right now I'm just trying to track down who generates the head block | 18:42 |
npinansky | I want to require/validate certain properties of an asset i am creating, which function would i use to do this, or what would be the best way to do this? | 18:45 |
npinansky | like when someone edits the asset, i want to kick them back to the edit form with an error, if te properties are invalid/blank | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | npinansky, you need to override processPropertiesFromFormPost in your new asset | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | or some subroutine named very similarly to that one | 18:45 |
npinansky | ok thats what i thought, is there any kind of field in the form template i can use to pass errors? | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | For most assets, there isn't an edit form template. | 18:46 |
npinansky | yeah i meant the default | 18:47 |
npinansky | that is not a template? | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | no | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | well, yes and no | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | the form container is templated | 18:47 |
npinansky | I have autogenerate enabled | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | but the form itself isn't | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | see WebGUI::Asset, getEditForm | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | also, www_edit and www_add | 18:47 |
BartJol | we have to go.... | 18:47 |
BartJol | drinking | 18:47 |
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@preaction | npinansky: if you return an array reference of error messages from processPropertiesFromFormPost, they get added to the edit form. the edit form is an instance of a WebGUI::TabForm (which holds instances of WebGUI::HTMLForm) | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | they do? | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | wow, they do! | 18:52 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: WebGUI::Session::Style generates the head block | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | I got that far. | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | and it looks like I should shuck the tag into prepareView | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | and do we want all the synopses for all the elements in the page, too? | 19:01 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8525 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: fix a syntax warning in User.pm | 19:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8526 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm: fix extra my-s in Operation/Profile.pm | 19:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8527 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: bug fixes | 19:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8528 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: style->sent check only needs to be done once. style->sent does that itself | 19:04 |
npinansky | preaction : THANK YU! | 19:05 |
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+perlDreamer | Is www/extras/assetManager/assetManager.js still used, or is it superseded by the DataTable? | 19:15 |
@rizen | perlDreamer, i believe it's still used by the clipboard and trash managers | 19:22 |
@rizen | those won't be updated until we have a full asset manager | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | okay, thanks :) | 19:22 |
@rizen | regarding the synopsis of all the elements in the page, no | 19:23 |
@rizen | just the object that was called | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | I need to learn to commit more slowly | 19:23 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8529 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: backport double sent check fix in Template->process | 19:30 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8530 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): synopsis is now added to each page automatically. If the page is a container whose children call prepareView, their synopses are added as well | 19:30 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8531 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): backporting synopsis in head tags fix | 19:30 |
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+perlDreamer | bopbop: grammar fixed | 19:48 |
@bopbop | thanks perldreamer! | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | I needed an easy bug to fix. | 19:49 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8532 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): only the synopsis from the asset that is called should be put into the meta description field | 20:00 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8533 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): meta description is only from the asset called | 20:00 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8534 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix grammatical errors with contracted it (is|has) | 20:00 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8535 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 2 dirs): backporting hover help grammar fixes | 20:00 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: there's no drag and drop interface in the trash or clipboard, right? | 20:14 |
@rizen | nope | 20:15 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8536 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): fix encrypt login hover help | 20:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8537 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): backport encrypt login hover help fix | 20:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8538 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): expand macros in the synopsis shown by the Search asset | 20:54 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8539 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backporint search asset synopsis macro expand fix | 20:54 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8540 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: fix POD typos in ProfileField | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | is the helpdesk sending emails? | 22:14 |
nuba_ | rizen: around? | 22:15 |
@rizen | pd only 2 mails in the queue | 22:16 |
nuba_ | hello there | 22:16 |
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@rizen | pd: but i'll give it a kick and see what happens | 22:16 |
@rizen | what's up nuba | 22:16 |
nuba | i want to finish the google maps thing | 22:17 |
@rizen | seriously? | 22:17 |
@rizen | you're not just yankin my chain? | 22:17 |
nuba | i did patch it up so it could go in production last time | 22:17 |
nuba | but its not finished in a real sense | 22:17 |
nuba | no, im not | 22:17 |
nuba | what happened | 22:17 |
nuba | was this | 22:17 |
nuba | just a sec, phone.. | 22:18 |
@preaction | .... THIS SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME | 22:30 |
nuba | still on the phone | 22:34 |
nuba | sorry | 22:34 |
nuba | back | 22:37 |
nuba | ok, sorry for keeping this chat on hold | 22:37 |
nuba | so, what happened the other time | 22:37 |
nuba | i think i started having too many ideas | 22:37 |
nuba | and got lost on how to implement them | 22:37 |
nuba | and I remember one thing i wanted | 22:38 |
nuba | was adding locations (latitude, longitude) to things in webgui | 22:38 |
nuba | arbitrarily | 22:38 |
nuba | like keywords can be added | 22:38 |
nuba | and not long ago there was a post in the black blog | 22:39 |
nuba | in that tone | 22:39 |
@rizen | are you referring to aspects? | 22:39 |
nuba | yes, was searching here | 22:40 |
nuba | thats it | 22:40 |
nuba | so heres the thing | 22:40 |
nuba | i wanna do it, but I may need help findin my way | 22:41 |
nuba | mostly pointers as to where do things | 22:41 |
nuba | help with designing it | 22:41 |
nuba | i tried the lone wolf approach and that didnt work out really well | 22:41 |
nuba | in other words | 22:42 |
nuba | i think im asking for a mentor | 22:42 |
nuba | to get this done right | 22:42 |
nuba | also, to get this done period | 22:42 |
@rizen | do you have anything at this point, or are you talking about starting from scratch? | 22:43 |
nuba | i need to review the map as it was when i left it, months ago | 22:43 |
nuba | but im willing to work from scratch | 22:43 |
nuba | either way is fine | 22:44 |
@rizen | is there a site where we could see it in operation "as is" | 22:44 |
@rizen | and is there a repository where we could see the code "as is" | 22:44 |
nuba | yes, just a sec | 22:44 |
nuba | http://www.imaterial.org/banco_de_conteudo | 22:45 |
nuba | and this is how its working now: | 22:46 |
nuba | * a collab asset with userDef1 and 2 being used to store lat, long | 22:46 |
nuba | * lat, long are provided by a location form widget | 22:46 |
nuba | one in which the user clicks in a map to set the location | 22:47 |
nuba | right click deletes the marker | 22:47 |
nuba | left click sets it, if no marker exists | 22:47 |
nuba | dragging moves it | 22:47 |
nuba | the markers are then retrieved from the collab asset by RSS | 22:48 |
nuba | in a custom RSS template | 22:48 |
@rizen | you can stop there | 22:48 |
nuba | k | 22:48 |
@rizen | using the CS is not something that can go into webgui | 22:48 |
nuba | im just saying how this was hacked together | 22:48 |
nuba | i know its not right | 22:49 |
nuba | its ugly | 22:49 |
@rizen | 1) people need to be able to use the the map asset independent of everything else | 22:49 |
nuba | is a hack | 22:49 |
nuba | yes | 22:49 |
nuba | can i finish, theres only one line missing | 22:49 |
@rizen | ok go ahead | 22:49 |
nuba | * theres a map asset, which is used to store map dimensions (width, height), gmaps sitekey, center, zoom level, and it happens to have a field for URLs of RSS feeds | 22:50 |
nuba | and thats it, end of story | 22:50 |
nuba | i suppose now you have a good grasp of how its done | 22:50 |
nuba | and I dont like it, otherwise I wouldnt be here now | 22:51 |
nuba | also | 22:51 |
nuba | I started reading and reading about google map features | 22:51 |
nuba | and reading and reading | 22:51 |
nuba | and adding features | 22:51 |
nuba | and changing design ideas | 22:51 |
nuba | and it died of feature creeping without even getting done | 22:52 |
nuba | also | 22:52 |
nuba | i dont want to do this map-neutral, i'd like to do it gmaps now only | 22:52 |
@rizen | that's why i wrote you a specification document with a limited scope | 22:52 |
nuba | and get it done | 22:52 |
nuba | and if theres demand, maybe write it mapping-provider-neutral afterwards | 22:52 |
nuba | but first, make it a rocking asset with gmaps | 22:53 |
nuba | yeah, well, you were right | 22:53 |
nuba | and I was wrong | 22:53 |
nuba | got carried away | 22:53 |
nuba | and then other things got in my plate | 22:53 |
nuba | etc. | 22:53 |
@rizen | it's not about who was right or wrong | 22:55 |
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nuba | well, its not about it, but it adds flavor | 22:55 |
@rizen | i fall into the trap of biting off too much all the time | 22:55 |
@rizen | "big bang" / revolutionary approaches to software development rarely work | 22:55 |
Lisette | hello how to call the property of image of a product, by asset?????? | 22:55 |
@rizen | you need to build something small, and then evolve it | 22:55 |
nuba | i realize that now | 22:56 |
@rizen | i'd like to see you try to build the locator using the spec doc i gave you | 22:56 |
@rizen | whether that means massaging what you have or building from scratch isn't really that important | 22:56 |
nuba | there was a problem with that one, right at the start | 22:57 |
nuba | you wanted the user to click in a map | 22:57 |
nuba | and being presented with a ballon | 22:57 |
nuba | with a form inside it | 22:57 |
nuba | so the user would fill the form and post it | 22:57 |
@rizen | no | 22:57 |
nuba | the form was too big | 22:57 |
@rizen | it doesn't need to be a balloon | 22:58 |
@rizen | the spec says "pop up" | 22:58 |
@rizen | what i meant there was a YUI dialog | 22:58 |
@rizen | i specifically said "balloon" in the places where i thought a balloon was the right way to go | 22:58 |
nuba | oh well. i worked on doing it inside a gmaps ballon, calling the edit form inside it and things got messy and out of hand | 22:58 |
nuba | but yeah i see what you mean | 22:59 |
@rizen | anyway...specs aren't necessarily a literal interpretation. you want to get as close to the spec as possible. | 23:00 |
Lisette | image1??? | 23:00 |
nuba | what should I look in the existing webgui code, for reference? | 23:00 |
@rizen | but not all things are possible | 23:00 |
@rizen | for reference on how to do a YUI dialog box? | 23:00 |
nuba | I remember also seeing lots of different things being done in different assets | 23:00 |
nuba | and that was confusing | 23:00 |
nuba | rephrasing that, similar things being done very differently | 23:01 |
@rizen | of course they were | 23:02 |
nuba | i guess things like like posting a yui form to the asset | 23:02 |
nuba | i dont really remember now | 23:02 |
nuba | but thats also where I started getting lost | 23:02 |
@rizen | different people wrote them at different times in webgui's long history | 23:02 |
nuba | i know, it makes sense, but I wasnt smart enough or patient enough to ask here for help by then | 23:03 |
nuba | also I think I underestimated the amount of thing one can ask here | 23:03 |
@rizen | i think it takes experience to come to those realizations. you can't teach that. | 23:04 |
@rizen | so now you've done it once...and you're better for it | 23:05 |
nuba | it took a lot of backlog reading and lurking for that last one | 23:05 |
nuba | people here are a lot more willing to look into each other's prototypes and problems than I thought they'd be | 23:06 |
nuba | thats a great thing | 23:06 |
nuba | and thats also one of the reasons Im willing to work on this again | 23:07 |
nuba | rizen: can you please send me the spec again? | 23:09 |
nuba | to nuba@fastmail.fm | 23:09 |
@rizen | doing it now | 23:10 |
nuba | thx | 23:10 |
@preaction | nuba: how long do you think this will take? | 23:10 |
@preaction | and how much help do you think you'll need? | 23:10 |
@rizen | and how long did the last itteration take? | 23:11 |
nuba | i have more time available now, and less things to do | 23:11 |
nuba | so its a different scenario | 23:12 |
nuba | im looking guesstimating few weeks | 23:12 |
nuba | will like to have help with planning the code | 23:12 |
nuba | would like* | 23:12 |
nuba | will certainly need to learn yui from scratch | 23:13 |
nuba | and I can read and make sense of most javascript, but never seriously coded on it | 23:13 |
@preaction | i've been looking over the maps API, and it seems you can use that for just about everything | 23:13 |
nuba | it took me a month to get this hack in that URL above done, but I was doing a lot of things and this was like a side project | 23:14 |
nuba | be careful with the maps API | 23:15 |
nuba | you can get excited all too easily | 23:15 |
nuba | i was not only reading it, but keeping up to date with the new features on the gmaps' blog and discussion groups | 23:16 |
nuba | that and custom hacks and neaty things people do with undocumented features | 23:16 |
nuba | you can do a lot | 23:16 |
nuba | its exciting, and interesting | 23:16 |
nuba | then it bites back and starts to feel overwhelming | 23:17 |
@rizen | i personally like yahoo maps better than google maps...but i've never done anything with their API | 23:19 |
@rizen | as far as this goes though i don't care what mapping engine is used to make it work | 23:19 |
@rizen | i think preaction and i are both willing to help you toward success on this | 23:20 |
nuba | I hoped so, thanks for it | 23:21 |
nuba | i think the 'whats next' here points to me working on your spec, then | 23:23 |
nuba | but you didnt tell me what asset should I use for reference | 23:23 |
nuba | or assets | 23:23 |
@rizen | reference of what? | 23:23 |
@rizen | start with the Wobject code skeleton | 23:23 |
nuba | for yui interface, posting back to webgui, updating with data from the asset without reloading the page | 23:24 |
@rizen | i guess Thingy | 23:24 |
nuba | i think the right wording is 'how to work the ajax magik out' with webgui | 23:24 |
nuba | okay | 23:25 |
@rizen | but really you'll probably get lost in there | 23:25 |
@preaction | i'm not sure how much ajax magic you'll really need | 23:25 |
@rizen | cuz it's big | 23:25 |
@rizen | you're probably better off just looking at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui | 23:25 |
nuba | what about this | 23:25 |
@rizen | for how to create a dialog box | 23:25 |
@rizen | and then you post that back to a standard asset www_ method | 23:25 |
nuba | i'll write a code skeleton | 23:25 |
nuba | and draw some diagrams in visio, if needed | 23:26 |
@rizen | but you're getting bogged down in details that are irrelevant | 23:26 |
nuba | and get back to you? | 23:26 |
@rizen | sure | 23:26 |
nuba | awesome | 23:26 |
@rizen | i think your first step is to design the database tables you'll need | 23:26 |
@rizen | there will be 2 | 23:26 |
@rizen | one is you Locator table | 23:26 |
@rizen | with it's asset properties | 23:26 |
@rizen | the other is the table that will store all of the locations | 23:26 |
nuba | LocatorMarker | 23:27 |
@rizen | ultimately those locations will be WebGUI::Crud objects | 23:27 |
@rizen | LocatorMarker can be a subclass of WebGUI::Crud | 23:27 |
nuba | k | 23:28 |
@rizen | overall though, i'd figure out how to make it work | 23:29 |
@rizen | before you worry about making it work with ajax | 23:29 |
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nuba | do we have UML diagrams for WebGUI available, somewhere? | 23:44 |
@rizen | no | 23:44 |
nuba | any specific reason for not having them? | 23:45 |
nuba | besides the ever changing codebase... | 23:45 |
@rizen | i personally find them completely useless | 23:46 |
@rizen | i know they aren't | 23:46 |
@rizen | but since i'm the one that would have to keep them up to date, that's the reason they haven't been created | 23:46 |
nuba | ok | 23:49 |
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Lisette | how to do put an image for a product by the code, i mean by an asset | 00:04 |
Lisette | ??? | 00:07 |
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+perlDreamer | Lisette, you want to create a product with an image, and do to that in code? | 00:09 |
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+perlDreamer | if so, you can find an example of how to do that in this file: | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.leier.hu/home/hirek | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | /t/Asset/Sku/Product.t | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | the file, not the link | 00:14 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: mysterious CS behavior is usually db corruption? | 00:18 |
@rizen | it is? | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/webgui-7_4_40---next/previous-url-button-doesnt-work-well-in-collaboration-system/5 | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | so either we fixed it by accident or it was fixed in 7.5 | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | or the db is corrupt | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | or Richard Stallman has cursed his site | 00:19 |
@rizen | how from reading that forum post do you come to the conclusion of a corrupt database? | 00:21 |
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nuba | whoa, i want perlDreamer helping me with the maps asset too. having a psychic in the team would be awesome | 00:22 |
nuba | can i keep him? :D | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | I did _more_ than reading the post | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | I built a CS in 7.5 and filled it with posts with hyphens and spaces (converted by wG into hyphens) | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | next and previous always work | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | no looping, no skipping | 00:23 |
@rizen | i agree with that statement | 00:23 |
@rizen | the premise on which he was posting is luancy | 00:23 |
@rizen | lunacy | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | better lunacy than truancy | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | the actual URL of the post doesn't even figure into the calculation for next/previous thread | 00:24 |
@rizen | is there a bug report or are you just roaming the forums looking for a bug to fix? | 00:24 |
@rizen | exactly | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/collaboration-system-next/previous-thread-link-not-working-sometimes | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | It's just a link to the thread | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | on the forums | 00:25 |
@rizen | close with "can't reproduce" | 00:25 |
@rizen | it could be that he needs to rebuild his lineage | 00:25 |
@rizen | but it's more likely that he's just doing something else wrong (user error) | 00:26 |
@rizen | i haven't seen a lineage corruption problem since 6.8 or 7.0 (somewhere in there) | 00:26 |
@rizen | at least not one caused by webgui...i've created a few myself. =) | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | okay, moving on to the next bug | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/using-3-consecutive-tildes-in-a-post-title-makes-a-bad-url/post | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | ~~~ is the marker that several assets use for splitting up the head from the body. | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | Any problems if I make it longer and less likely? | 00:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8541 /experimental/Automat/ (3 files in 3 dirs): automat phase 2.1 complete | 00:38 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: i'd say go: ~~~assetId~~~ | 00:38 |
@preaction | or something equally improbable | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | that's pretty unique. I was thinking of ~~!!~~!!~!~! | 00:38 |
@preaction | i say put the assetId in there, there's no chance in hell of that causing problems | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | true :) | 00:39 |
@preaction | it's like the MIME multipart formats | 00:39 |
@preaction | they use UUIDs | 00:39 |
@rizen | what preaction said | 00:39 |
@Haarg | i may have a partial patch for that | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | I was hoping you might say that Haarg, since pb.com is immune to that bug right now | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | Do you want to commit and let me extend it to the other assets? | 00:40 |
@Haarg | i was generating guids though, not using assetId or something similar | 00:40 |
@Haarg | let me see what state it is in | 00:40 |
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@Haarg | is there a pastebin that doesn't mess up patches? | 00:48 |
apeiron_ | Haarg, Tried sial.org/pbot ? | 00:49 |
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+perlDreamer | you want to zip it and email it to me? | 00:49 |
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@Haarg | sent | 00:53 |
@Haarg | it looks like i was restructuring parts of the main pagelayout loop as well | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I just came across that | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | what do you think about using a method instead of manually constructing the string everywhere? | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | that way, we'd never have to do this again, and only need to change the string in 1 place? | 00:56 |
@Haarg | maybe, if you can figure a way to abstract the layout separators the same as the others | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | I think I can do that | 00:56 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8542 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): More Matrix fixes | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | okay, my fix is in 8543 | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | exactly like what Graham did, but I used the assetId and made it a method so we can change it everywhere easily | 01:07 |
@Haarg | i didn't really like the asset id since that is predictable, so it would be possible to break a page if you were malicious | 01:15 |
@Haarg | well, theoretically you could anyway. not certain of an actual case of that. | 01:16 |
@preaction | well, now that it's one method, should be easy enough to fix if someone with privileges to read the assetId does something stupid like that | 01:20 |
@Haarg | well, the cs for example outputs the assets of the posts as part of the links | 01:21 |
@Haarg | *assetids | 01:21 |
@Haarg | i should try to figure out what i was doing with that pagelayout stuff | 01:25 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8543 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (13 files in 7 dirs): make separator strings very unique | 01:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8544 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 7 dirs): forward porting fix for non-unique separator strings, ~~~, #8543 | 01:34 |
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Mech422 | grr - building wre/webgui from source on x86_64 results in a 'requires -fPIC' error that I forgot how I fixed last time | 02:08 |
apeiron | Tried putting CFLAGS="-fPIC" in your environment? | 02:09 |
Mech422 | apeiron: actually - I thought I posted a diff to the ubuntu patch to get it working on Debian x86_64... | 02:10 |
Mech422 | rizen: Did I show you the diff ? | 02:11 |
apeiron | If you know which package is dying due to being on 64bit, you can take a look at how different vendors build that package on 64bit and steal from them. | 02:11 |
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Mech422 | apeiron: mod_perl wants -fpic in the make | 02:13 |
Mech422 | apeiron: but I thought there were some other things that broke as well | 02:13 |
apeiron | Mech422, Shouldn't be too hard to do that. Just export CFLAGS="-fPIC" should do it. | 02:13 |
Mech422 | ahh well - I'll just try with CFLAGS=... err..ya - what you said | 02:14 |
apeiron | But again, look how different vendors do it. | 02:14 |
apeiron | They may have a less klugish solution. | 02:14 |
Mech422 | Found it | 02:18 |
Mech422 | I'm pretty sure the changes got added to build.sh in TRUNK already | 02:20 |
apeiron | tias, then? | 02:20 |
Mech422 | trying it now with my patched build.sh | 02:23 |
@Haarg | ok, i have my restructured page layout stuff working. i suppose i should benchmark it in some way. | 02:24 |
apeiron | Just a touch. | 02:26 |
apeiron | Devel::NYTProf all the way. | 02:26 |
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+perlDreamer | yay, one less bug. | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | Finally! | 02:48 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8545 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): make the Thread use the ThreadApprovalWorkflow from the CS | 02:51 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8546 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): forward port thread approval workflow into thread | 02:51 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8547 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (3 files): automat phase 2.2 complete | 03:39 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8548 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fixing more Matrix problems | 06:17 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam: ping | 07:29 |
patspam | pong | 07:30 |
+perlDreamer | how do I test the result of your patch to this bug:Slider JS bug for non-numeric values (#8827) | 07:30 |
patspam | um... wait I'll go reproduce it | 07:31 |
patspam | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1227331719_666/home/untitled?func=editThingData;thingId=dRgTVaGIKciR34dpGekDhw;thingDataId=new | 07:34 |
patspam | notice how the slider and the combo don't update each other on change | 07:34 |
+perlDreamer | I hate Thingy | 07:34 |
patspam | heh | 07:34 |
patspam | one day everything in webgui will be implemented with thingy | 07:35 |
+perlDreamer | I'll switch to PHP | 07:36 |
patspam | gosh, you must *really* hate thingy =p | 07:36 |
+perlDreamer | I wasn't really fond of SQLForm either | 07:36 |
+perlDreamer | in any case... | 07:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'll test the patch by exporting the Thingy and patching my dev instance | 07:37 |
patspam | yeah, all i did was add a default thingy, then add a single field of type "Select Slider" | 07:39 |
patspam | with possible values "a\n b\n c\n" | 07:40 |
patspam | the bug only manifests when possible values are strings not numbers | 07:40 |
patspam | because they don't get quoted in the generated JS | 07:41 |
+perlDreamer | patch is good :) I need to learn more JS | 07:45 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8549 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Slider.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): allow the slider to handle non-numeric values | 07:55 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: Lurking about? | 08:09 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8550 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Slider.pm): forward port non-numeric slider form field fix | 08:23 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8551 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): make the send user invite template accessible to be changed | 09:10 |
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elnino | hi. I'm trying to add a font size list to the tinymce.. Am I to understand that I need to modify Asset/RichEdit.pm to add buttons? | 09:13 |
+Radix_ | err | 09:33 |
+Radix_ | all you need to do to add font size list is edit your default editor template | 09:34 |
+Radix_ | font list size is a standard tinymce button from memory | 09:34 |
elnino | Radix - thanks. Let me look. I was just about to give up and go to bed... | 09:39 |
elnino | I didn't realize it was a template - that is so "webgui" I shold have thought of that. Thanks PERFECT! | 09:40 |
elnino | Got it working! | 09:40 |
elnino | good night. | 09:46 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8552 /modules/ (14 files in 6 dirs): working on a module to interact with the DNS services at worldwidedns.net | 01:36 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8553 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix the presentation of subscription groups. When creating a group, show nothing. When editing an existing group, show a label and a manage button | 03:00 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8554 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward port subscription group display fix | 03:00 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8555 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns/ (5 files in 4 dirs): it's alive! | 22:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8556 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns/ (MANIFEST Makefile.PL Changes lib/DNS/WorldWideDns.pm README): ready to release | 22:40 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8557 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (8 files in 3 dirs): add captcha template code to all core Post templates | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8558 /WebGUI/docs/ (7 files in 2 dirs): forward porting post captcha template updates | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8559 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updating Matrix internationalization and help | 01:55 |
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+perlDreamer | Has anyone else had problems with WebGUI's captchas? | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | It's like all of a sudden they got clipped. | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | and you can't see all of the leftmost and rightmost letters | 02:09 |
+perlDreamer | is it supposed to do that? | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | Bueller? | 02:12 |
@Haarg | the font changed | 02:14 |
@Haarg | so maybe we need to adjust the drawing parameters | 02:15 |
+perlDreamer | 20 pixels more works well | 02:15 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8560 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm: updating Matrix internationalization and help | 02:23 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8561 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added timelimit option to Survey | 02:23 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: Have you done anything magical with SVN? | 02:24 |
@Haarg | not that i can think of | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | It's putting merged changelog notices in the right place all the time | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | even if it's on a different line | 02:24 |
@Haarg | i'm trying to figure out if there's a good way to throw definitions into stow | 02:39 |
@Haarg | and i have a way it works, except for if the user on a session is changed | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | you want to use stow for caching to speed it up? | 02:42 |
@Haarg | yeah | 02:42 |
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+perlDreamer | is the hangup with users the language they use? | 02:43 |
@Haarg | yeah | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | can you subcache by language type? | 02:43 |
@Haarg | hmm | 02:43 |
@Haarg | possibly | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | one other idea might be if instead of doing i18n lookups immediately, if they were deferred until time of usage. | 02:44 |
@Haarg | that is my plan at some point | 02:44 |
@Haarg | but that's a much larger change | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 02:44 |
@rizen | a watch with no hands | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | rizen : Why are you quoting old 80's rock ballads? | 02:50 |
@rizen | i'm not | 02:50 |
@rizen | it's a riddle | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | it keeps not time | 02:51 |
@rizen | btw, pd i have moved the franchise out of webgui | 02:51 |
@rizen | i published a new cpan module today | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | I saw that | 02:51 |
@rizen | and in the tests i referred to andy | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | it's time for his fame to spread | 02:52 |
@rizen | indeed | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | I keep finding new bugs to fix as a I fix posted bugs | 02:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8562 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Storage/Image.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): widen captcha due to fat font changes | 02:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8563 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage/Image.pm): forward port captcha width changes for the new, fat font | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | like that one | 02:52 |
@rizen | a watch with no hands = until the end of time = a life sentence in prison | 02:52 |
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@rizen | that's good pd | 03:00 |
@rizen | fixed bugs are always good | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | yes, but it makes the shrinking of the list slow down, too | 03:06 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8564 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): when deploying an asset from the asset manager, go back to it | 03:19 |
@Haarg | ugh. i have a bunch of small changes to check in, but i can't easily test them. | 03:21 |
@Haarg | guess i'll have to fix the tests first | 03:21 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, if you want a hand I'd be happy to help out. | 03:32 |
@Haarg | i have some test fixes i should check in, but if you want to help i'd welcome it | 03:32 |
@rizen | http://www.roscoeschickenandwaffles.com/ | 03:32 |
@Haarg | there are lots of tests failing right now | 03:32 |
+perlDreamer | is this in 7.6? | 03:33 |
@Haarg | yeah | 03:33 |
+perlDreamer | Well, let's make a list and divide them up. | 03:33 |
+perlDreamer | oh, and I still owe you a test fix, Haarg, for a test specific set of assets for AssetExportHtml | 03:34 |
@Haarg | well, i don't think i ever figured out what was causing the syntax tests to fail on some machines | 03:34 |
+perlDreamer | I think we can safely ignore the failing Account tests for now | 03:36 |
@Haarg | yeah | 03:36 |
@Haarg | i just committed some test/pod/syntax warning fixes | 03:37 |
@Haarg | i'm going to start with the syntax check failures | 03:38 |
+perlDreamer | I'm running the suite, except for the CODE_COP tests. | 03:38 |
+perlDreamer | I'll paste the output | 03:38 |
@Haarg | sounds good | 03:39 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8565 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): cleaning up warnings/variable redefinition and pod | 03:41 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2fc7eed8 | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | thats before getting your fixes | 03:43 |
@Haarg | SyndicatedContent should be fixed | 03:44 |
+perlDreamer | which fix the Paginator test | 03:44 |
@Haarg | and some of they do? | 03:44 |
@Haarg | err | 03:44 |
+perlDreamer | uh, yeah. I meant SyndicatedContent | 03:44 |
@Haarg | and some of PodChecker and syntaxCheck | 03:44 |
@Haarg | ah, ok | 03:45 |
+perlDreamer | I'll check the paginator test | 03:45 |
@Haarg | ok | 03:45 |
@Haarg | syntaxCheck passes now | 03:51 |
@Haarg | i'll look at User | 03:52 |
+perlDreamer | family time, be back in two hours | 03:56 |
+perlDreamer | I almost have Pagination test updated for the new template variable. | 03:57 |
@Haarg | cool, thanks | 03:57 |
+perlDreamer | and it needs Help and i18n, too | 03:57 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8566 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Matrix.pm Inbox.pm): fix more syntax warnings | 04:08 |
+perlDreamer | Paginator tests fixed, missing template variables added. | 04:25 |
@Haarg | User, PodChecker, Whitespace fixed | 04:29 |
@Haarg | looking at AssetPackage.t | 04:29 |
+perlDreamer | fixed | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | and committed | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | I changed the return value when I was fixing a bug. | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | At one point I was checking the return values of everything, even if it doesn't make sense | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: Have you committed everything on your end? | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | If so, I'll update and rerun the suite | 04:31 |
@Haarg | yeah | 04:31 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8567 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting fix for returning to the asset manager after deploying a package. | 04:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8568 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Document the newly added pagination template variable. Update the tests to look for it and test it | 04:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8569 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 5 dirs): fixing POD issues, User test | 04:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8570 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetPackage.t: do not test return value of www_deployPackage | 04:33 |
patspam | yikes, tracked down a segfault to WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create(..)->start | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | ouch | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | where's that at? | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | and when did I write it? :( | 04:34 |
patspam | heh | 04:34 |
patspam | workflow is being called by flux, so I'm still checking whether it's my fault | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7cb80f99 | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | Shop/tableCheck needs to be ignored, it's some prototype test I never finished | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | FetchMimeType fails based on which version is installed. | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | If it passes for you on the WRE, then we should pass that too | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | I'll have a go at mandatoryTemplateVariables next | 04:40 |
@Haarg | i'm looking at session/style | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | mandatory template vars is fixed | 04:42 |
@Haarg | session/style should be fixed, forgot to port a fix from 7.5 | 04:43 |
@Haarg | after the stow changes | 04:43 |
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+perlDreamer | AddressBook is fixed | 04:43 |
@Haarg | for FetchMimeType, it fails based on the version of what? | 04:44 |
@Haarg | Asset/Template/HTMLTemplateExpr.t passes here | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | It's fixed on my end. | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | I don't have that module installed, and the test failed badly | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | FetchMimeType depends on LWP::MediaType | 04:48 |
@Haarg | ah | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | Does it pass on your WRE box? | 04:49 |
@Haarg | yes | 04:50 |
+perlDreamer | okay, let's call that good, too | 04:50 |
+perlDreamer | I'm looking at Operation::Auth | 04:51 |
@Haarg | that's due to the Account changes | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | fixed and committed | 04:52 |
@Haarg | help fails due to Survey, Matrix, and probably account | 04:53 |
@Haarg | i'm inclined to let the Survey and Matrix stuff slide for now | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | There's some Shop stuff | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | I'll fix them | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | but I agree about the others | 04:53 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8571 /WebGUI/t/mandatory_template_vars.t: remove old profile template variable checks due to Account | 04:59 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8572 /WebGUI/t/Shop/AddressBook.t: update AddressBook test for new object property | 04:59 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8573 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Template/HTMLTemplateExpr.t: fix SKIP issues in HTMLTemplateExpr test | 04:59 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8574 /WebGUI/t/Operation/Auth.t: remove old account tests from Operation/Auth | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | all remaining template variables are Survey or Matrix | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | which makes me wonder about the Account changes | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | that just leaves AssetExportHtml and the others that we waived | 05:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | Survey now does timeout. | 05:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | But only at the Survey level. And it doens't do progress bars yet. Working on that. | 05:05 |
@Haarg | the tests that are failing with survey are the help tests | 05:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | if I file a ticket about missing Help, then I'd have to fix it... | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | tomorrow, to fix a bug or two, I could use some JS tutelage. | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | Anyone willing to teach? | 05:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | teach you what? | 05:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what are you looking for? | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | I think I know how to build a menu for this bug | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/more-menu-doesnt-appear-for-current-asset-on-crumb-trail | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | but I don't know how to tie it to the callback on the link | 05:15 |
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+perlDreamer | I have been slowly learning JS, a little YUI and how to use Firebug | 05:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | you can look at the Survey's comm objects | 05:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | YUI makes it trivial to add and use the hooks. | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | are they in templates or in code somewhere? | 05:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | code | 05:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | www/extras/wobject/Survey | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for the tip! | 05:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | sure | 05:18 |
* perlDreamer invokes daddy mode. Be back in 60 | 05:18 | |
@perlmonkey2 | if you have any questions, don't hesitate | 05:18 |
dreamersgirl | perlDreamer says "thanks" | 05:18 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 05:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | :) | 05:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | hello dreamersgirl | 05:19 |
dreamersgirl | hi | 05:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: any ideas on how the progress bar should look? An actual bar, or a count of so many completed. A percentage? | 05:22 |
patspam | i think just a simple message would be fine | 05:23 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8575 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Stow.pm: make stow return false values correctly | 05:23 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8576 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Shop.pm: document new Shop POS template variables | 05:23 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8577 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Added Survey time limit code. This is only at the survey level and sends the user to the survey end settings. Probably need to allow for a special timeout message. | 05:23 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8578 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): guarantee that authMethod always returns something valid, even for users not created correctly | 05:23 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8579 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): backporting default authMethod value | 05:23 |
patspam | or if you put the # complete and total into template vars people can create fancy progress indicators in js | 05:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: good idea. Just add in completed and total into the template vars and come up with a decent default. Then, as you say, people can do as they please. | 05:24 |
patspam | satyam has created some yui ones here: http://www.satyam.com.ar/yui/2.5.0/progressbar | 05:26 |
patspam | yeah should be trivial to drop them in once you add the template vars | 05:26 |
@perlmonkey2 | sharp | 05:27 |
patspam | ok i think I've got this segfault figured out | 05:42 |
patspam | my workflow indirectly causes itself to be triggered | 05:42 |
patspam | if it's in parallel mode, you get a segfault | 05:43 |
patspam | if it's in serial mode, you're ok | 05:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | doh | 05:49 |
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@Haarg | thanks for the help with the tests perlDreamer | 06:01 |
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dreamersgirl | perlDreamer says if his fingers weren't in somebody's mouth flossing teeth, he's say "you're welcome" | 06:07 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 06:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8580 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/DateTime.pm: small speed improvements to WebGUI::Session::DateTime | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8581 /WebGUI/lib/ (8 files in 6 dirs): cleaning up some imports | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8582 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: speed up i18n calls | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8583 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: make WebGUI::SQL a little faster | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8584 /WebGUI/ (206 files in 40 dirs): modules, tests, etc shouldn't be set as executable | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8585 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ (Setting.pm Scratch.pm): speed up scratch and settings, since they don't need to be ordered | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8586 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm): fixed #9130: fixed: Rich editor creates root <p> tag even when set to use <br /> | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8587 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm times out when exporting large data sets | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8588 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl): fixed: DataForm entry data field is too small | 06:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8589 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: clean up upgrade script | 06:17 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: Did you benchmark the i18n speedups? | 06:24 |
@Haarg | not as an actual benchmark, but i did compare before/after with NYTProf | 06:25 |
@Haarg | the calls to Pluggable were taking a lot of the time, and they should almost never be even needed | 06:25 |
+perlDreamer | cool. We had tried some i18n caching, but doing the blind eval was faster than a hash lookup. | 06:26 |
@Haarg | i'd like to get rid of ixhash from other areas where it isn't needed | 06:27 |
@Haarg | like i did from settings and session scratch | 06:27 |
@Haarg | i still have my page layout changes to benchmark though | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | wow! | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | I never knew that epoch's didn't need a timezone | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | I guess they're all UTC | 06:29 |
@Haarg | yeah, time() is utc | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | sometimes I think Frank loves breaking my i18n tests | 06:32 |
@Haarg | heh | 06:32 |
@Haarg | i think he loves breaking all the tests | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I shouldn't accuse him of discrimination | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | check this one out: | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | ^International(<tmpl_if isReply>reply message label<tmpl_else>compose message label</tmpl_if>,Account_Inbox); | 06:33 |
@Haarg | heh | 06:33 |
@Haarg | testing the default content, my layout changes are 15%-33% faster | 06:42 |
+perlDreamer | sweet! | 06:42 |
@Haarg | the code makes more sense too i would say | 06:43 |
@Haarg | not i just have to adjust it to use the getSplitter method | 06:47 |
@Haarg | *now | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: Could you move this into an rfe, please: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9083 | 07:06 |
@Haarg | sure | 07:08 |
+perlDreamer | thanks | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | also, I was looking at this bug: WRE Conf has wrong version (#8901) | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8901 | 07:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8590 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): do not show edit tab in the wiki page unless you can edit it | 07:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8591 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backport wiki page edit tab fix | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | I can fix the file, but I can't rebuild all the packages (tarballs, zipfiles, etc.) | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | is 0.8.6 in the works? | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | should I worry about that kind of stuff? | 07:10 |
@Haarg | not yet | 07:10 |
@Haarg | don't worry about it | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'll just fix the file and then close the ticket. | 07:10 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8592 /wrebuild/wre/ (var/setupfiles/wre.conf docs/changelog.txt): put correct version in wre.conf file | 07:34 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8593 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Flux/Rule.pm Flux.pm): Added optional optimisation to getLinearProgression so that caller can tell flux to do less work | 10:04 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8594 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Flux/Rule.pm: Rule.pm triggers workflow instances with the skipRealtime as a (hopefully temporary) workaround to the mysterious Workflow segfault bug. | 12:42 |
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juan | i have a strange problem with spectre | 15:55 |
BartJo1 | and that is? | 15:55 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7fb381e5 | 15:56 |
juan | i don't know what is happening? | 15:57 |
BartJo1 | is the domainname included in /etc/hosts? | 15:57 |
BartJo1 | is the webgui port altered? | 15:58 |
juan | yes | 15:58 |
juan | the domainname is included in /etc/hosts | 15:58 |
BartJo1 | and you didn't change ports? | 15:59 |
juan | no | 15:59 |
BartJo1 | hwat version? | 15:59 |
juan | the server was restarted and after that appears the problem | 16:00 |
juan | 7.4.40 | 16:01 |
juan | another error that i have is the nextg | 16:02 |
juan | POE::Component::IKC::Server 1015: encountered bind error 99: Cannot assign requested address | 16:02 |
BartJo1 | just check out this link: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/spectre-connection-refused | 16:04 |
BartJo1 | it's not a ready made solution, but every info helps | 16:04 |
juan | ok, i am going to check | 16:05 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:50 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: Gouda morning. | 16:53 |
SDuensin | Cheese off. :-P | 16:53 |
* SDuensin hasn't had all his coffee yet. | 16:54 | |
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+MrHairgrease | talk about cheesy humor... | 17:04 |
Bernd_ | Morning! | 17:05 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8595 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: putting this in real quick before someone else changes it. Just updating the db for options to show timelimit and progress bars | 17:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8596 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): made it more obvious how to check out | 17:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8597 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: fixed typo | 17:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8598 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Survey now has fully functioning time limits, can show limits to users, and can show progress | 17:27 |
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+perlDreamer | yo, guys! | 18:19 |
SDuensin | yo, uh, you! | 18:19 |
* MrHairgrease says hoho | 18:19 | |
+MrHairgrease | is everybody in the house? | 18:20 |
* SDuensin be in da house | 18:20 | |
+perlDreamer | Nope, everyone is gone | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | Only perlDeamers | 18:20 |
+MrHairgrease | crap | 18:20 |
+MrHairgrease | just my luck =) | 18:20 |
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@Haarg | any last minute checkins perlDreamer? going a release early this week. | 18:29 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm about 15 minutes away from a bugfix, but it can easily wait | 18:29 |
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+perlDreamer | your call | 18:30 |
@Haarg | what bug? | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | Updating a workflow property causes workflow to be disabled (#9139) | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | the enabled bit is not sticky | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | works fine from the UI, but not from a code interface | 18:30 |
@Haarg | well, i have one quick thing to fix, so you may have time | 18:31 |
* SDuensin hates when he has sticky bits | 18:32 | |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, 7.6 is checked in, now backporting to 7.5 | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | I should be clear | 18:36 |
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Lisette | how to get the storageid from a macro of an archive that upload from a dataform???? | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop, for your product image bug | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8765 | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | are you viewing the product as part of a shelf | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | on a page | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | or standalone? | 19:01 |
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Lisette | anyone knows? | 19:08 |
@Haarg | i'm not clear on the question | 19:08 |
@Haarg | you want the storage id of a file that was uploaded to a dataform | 19:08 |
@Haarg | not sure how the macro fits into it | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | I think she wants to get that from a macro. | 19:09 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8599 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Adding Matrix templates, updating Matrix international | 19:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r8600 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/ProjectManager/projectDisplay.js: fixed an issue which was causing the project management system to not recognize December as a valid month | 19:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8601 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm: restructured page layout prepareView, view | 19:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8602 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.4/ (WikiPageTmpl0000000001.tmpl default-wiki-page.wgpkg): use correct format for template update | 19:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8603 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: buildArray, buildArrayRef should only use the first column of results | 19:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8604 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Workflow.t lib/WebGUI/Workflow.pm): make mode and enabled sticky in the Workflow | 19:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8605 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns/ (Makefile.PL Changes lib/DNS/WorldWideDns.pm): some small fixes | 19:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8606 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Workflow.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Workflow.t): backporting lack of workflow property stickiness fix | 19:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8607 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm: use correct comparison for cutting off layout position list | 19:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8608 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.4 release | 19:12 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, a bug was fixed but not documented in the changelog for 7.6.4 | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | is it possible to slip that in? | 19:22 |
@Haarg | yeah | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | in, thanks :) | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | p.s. if you see Frank, please tell him I backported his PM bug fix to the 7.5 branch | 19:24 |
juan | can i update from 7.4.40 to 7.5.34 directly? | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | juan, look inside the docs/gotchas.txt file in the 7.5.34 version of WebGUI, and it will tell you. | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | as far as I can remember, you can | 19:28 |
juan | ok | 19:29 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8609 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Documented bug that was fixed in the PM. | 19:41 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8610 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backport month 12 bug fix in the PM | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: having combo box woes. The custom part of the combo box does not work in the user profile or in the thingy. Do I modify it to take a callback to update that custom part in the user of the combo box, or say that it is not dynamic compatible? | 19:43 |
@rizen | "the custom part"? | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | where the user can enter an option that's not in the existing list | 19:43 |
@rizen | combo boxes have been working for years, so what is the problem? | 19:43 |
@rizen | yeah, so? | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | they are not dynamic compatible | 19:44 |
@rizen | why? | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | I set up a profile field with a combo box | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | then I enter some new value that is not in the dropdown part of the combo box | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | hit save | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | then look at my profile | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | the value is not saved, and it does not appear in the combo box | 19:45 |
@rizen | phone | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | k | 19:45 |
@rizen | ok back | 19:46 |
@rizen | that sounds to me like the user profiling system isn't calling the appropriate method to get the value | 19:46 |
@rizen | i can see how it wouldn't show the value in the list in the user profile field | 19:47 |
@rizen | but the thingy should absolutely show the value in the list | 19:47 |
@rizen | oh...nevermind..i remember how he's populating it | 19:48 |
@rizen | it won't show | 19:48 |
@rizen | so yeah, you're right | 19:48 |
@rizen | make it not dynamic compatible | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | Thanks, man :) | 19:48 |
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Lisette | I like to get the storage from a macro made an upload from a dataform? | 20:03 |
@Haarg | can you describe better what you are actually trying to do? | 20:04 |
@Haarg | i don't understand what you are asking for | 20:04 |
Lisette | i have a dataform with a upload | 20:05 |
Lisette | type file | 20:05 |
Lisette | i need asociate this file like an image of a product, but i need the storageId from this file for to do | 20:06 |
Lisette | you understand me??? | 20:06 |
@Haarg | "i need asociate this file like an image of a product" i don't quite understand this | 20:09 |
@bopbop | perlDreamer: sorry I missed your question earlier | 20:10 |
@bopbop | I'm back | 20:10 |
@bopbop | I was viewing a Product asset that was placed directly on a page layout | 20:10 |
@bopbop | it looks fine now | 20:12 |
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Lisett1 | sorry i have an error with my connection | 20:14 |
Lisett1 | Haarg you understand me? | 20:14 |
@Haarg | <Haarg> "i need asociate this file like an image of a product" i don't quite understand this | 20:14 |
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@preaction | there's a macro in the 7.6 series called "StorageUrl", perhaps that is what Lisett1 wants? | 20:15 |
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Lisett1 | how to view this macro, i have the 7.5 version | 20:17 |
@preaction | Lisett1: it's in SVN. http://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/StorageUrl.pm | 20:18 |
Lisett1 | thank | 20:21 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8611 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added some Matrix international, fixed some bugs | 20:39 |
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+perlDreamer | sorry about that, Haarg | 20:44 |
@Haarg | about what? | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | the template instead of a package | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | WikiPageTmpl.... | 20:44 |
@Haarg | ah | 20:44 |
@Haarg | yeah, no big deal | 20:44 |
@Haarg | at some point i want to make it easy to edit templates on the file system | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | have you tried the templateFiler script I made? | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | or the FUSE program? | 20:45 |
@Haarg | i have a basic script in wgd right now, but i have thoughts on how to make it better | 20:45 |
@Haarg | no, i haven't. is templateFilter in the bazaar somewhere? | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:46 |
@Haarg | i'll take a look | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | it could use some work, but it provides a way to dump all templates out in the old template format | 20:47 |
@Haarg | the ideas i have are somewhat ambitious | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | then, it will upload any templates in the current directory back | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | creating new ones | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | updating old ones | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | and, optionall, it will create a package for each template imported | 20:47 |
@Haarg | first thing i need to do is figure out a decent template format | 20:48 |
@Haarg | i don't really love the old one | 20:48 |
@Haarg | ideally, i want something that works for other asset types as well, but that may be going a bit too far | 20:48 |
@preaction | i say XML! | 20:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how is the JS going? | 20:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | anything I can help with? | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, haven't got there yet | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | Let me fix this POD bug from Bernd, then I'll hop back on it ;) | 20:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, no worries, I have months of stuff to keep me busy :P | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | is webgui.org being updated right now, by chance? | 20:55 |
@Haarg | yes | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | the bug tracker just gave me the BSD | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | with a big smiling knowmad face in the middle of it | 20:55 |
@Haarg | should be working again for a bit | 20:56 |
+perlDreamer | I'll wait ;) | 20:56 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, first JS question | 21:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | 42 | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | correct! | 21:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8612 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (11 files in 3 dirs): adding Bernds patch for Asset mixins | 21:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8613 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: placeholder errors resolved | 21:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8614 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: placeholder errors resolved | 21:12 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8615 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: fixed typoe | 21:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you say that list of checkins? you really want my help? :P | 21:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | s/say/see/ | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | Second JS question: Many of the subroutines in assetManager.js start like this | 21:13 |
* perlmonkey2 forsees a JS OO question | 21:13 | |
+perlDreamer | =function ( child ) { var node = child; .... | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | why assign child to a new var? | 21:14 |
@preaction | uh... i don't know | 21:14 |
* perlmonkey2 goes to look at the code | 21:14 | |
@preaction | perhaps because "node" was a horrible name for a variable? | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, does it make you nervous that I'm learning JS from your code? ;) | 21:15 |
@preaction | no, but better JS from me is the DataTable | 21:15 |
@preaction | though there are no bugs posted about that one yet | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | In other words if I declare that a function takes an argument, I don't have to "unpack" it? | 21:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hmm, which line is it, cause vim searching for node and child return nothing in assetManager.js | 21:15 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: correct | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: www/extras/yui-webgui/build/assetManager/assetManager.js | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | around line 370 or so | 21:16 |
@preaction | JS has real prototypes.. well... half-prototypes | 21:16 |
@preaction | it's still a dynamically-typed language | 21:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: to make a copy of the object so that you don't overwrite it wouold be the first thing to spring to mind. | 21:18 |
@Haarg | except you can't do it like that | 21:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: that is assigned references? | 21:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | assigning | 21:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | js pointers | 21:19 |
@Haarg | for objects yes | 21:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | but that should be passing in a reference to a dom object | 21:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | dom pointer | 21:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | which might be a value | 21:20 |
@Haarg | how so? | 21:20 |
@perlmonkey2 | just guessing while I look through my js book :) | 21:20 |
@Haarg | dom is all objects | 21:20 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: wait, that can't be right, because then findrow would be destroying children of the row you're looking for. | 21:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | node = node.parentNode; | 21:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | so it must be making a copy | 21:21 |
@Haarg | copy of the reference if you want to think about it that way | 21:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | a new variable holding the refernce | 21:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, but I don't see why it is necessary. | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | w00t! JS refactor works. | 21:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: in what? | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | so the bug is that the crumb trail in the asset manager does not display a more menu | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | for the last item | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | there's a subroutine that is called | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | but it doesn't exist yet | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | so my thought was to abstract out the menu building part | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | to be used in the DataTable and this new, as of yet undefined subroutine | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | part one, abstraction/refactoring, works | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | now I just need to know how to display a menu from a subroutine | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | did all that make sense? | 21:24 |
@preaction | yes | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | from the existing JS, I see how to build a text element and attach a menu to it | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | should I do that, or does it need to be done differently? | 21:26 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: no, in a method/subroutine you should be able to create the dom object then create the YUI object, attaching it to your dom. | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | is there a "good" online DOM reference? | 21:39 |
+perlDreamer | I need to find the element that's calling this subroutine | 21:39 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: mozdev | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: Will i run into anything that won't work well in IE/Safari if I use that? | 21:43 |
@preaction | no, it will tell you if it's not compatible | 21:43 |
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SDuensin | preaction - I ARE BACK AT LAST! | 21:58 |
@preaction | yay! | 21:58 |
SDuensin | :-) | 21:59 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8616 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: fix matrix upgrade script | 22:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8617 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.4/root_import_survey.wgpkg: turn off package flag for survey template | 22:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8618 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.4 release again | 22:05 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8619 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.4-beta: Release 7.6.4-beta | 22:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | can anyone think of anything that could blow up something in /domains during and upgrade? | 22:54 |
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@Haarg | how so? | 23:07 |
@Haarg | upgrades will modify uploads sometimes | 23:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yeah, so my test target has a 4.1 gig domains dir that needs to be backed up and they only have 11gig of free space. doh | 23:12 |
@Haarg | ah | 23:12 |
carogray | hiya | 23:27 |
carogray | if we want to remove an old page - "child support guidelines review" - but we want people who would have gone there to end up on the page "child support guidelines" I would think to create a redirect | 23:28 |
carogray | if we create a redirect the URL for the guidelines review page should be the URL for the redirect asset and then it's redirected to the guidelines URL? | 23:29 |
carogray | therefore we need to change the URL fo the guidelines review page - we want to keep it for archive/historical purposes so we would just rename it guidelines-review -004-008? | 23:30 |
carogray | also - who can view redirects? if everyone can view does that mean everyone get's redirected - what does it mean if only content managers can view - only content managers get redirected and others get sent to the missing page page? | 23:35 |
@Haarg | for creating the redirect, it sounds like you have it correct | 23:46 |
@Haarg | although you'll want to use the change url function on the asset context menu, not just edit it and change the url | 23:46 |
@Haarg | redirects are viewable just like normal assets | 23:47 |
@Haarg | if set to viewable by content managers, they will be redirected and other users will get a permission denied screen | 23:48 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Asset::fixUrl scares me. | 00:01 |
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@perlmonkey2 | something isn't right with that. | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | 7.6.4 is released yet? | 00:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | beta is out | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | okay to commit again? | 00:03 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: create.sql spellos: "Tempalte" | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | at least its consistently spelled wrong... | 00:05 |
diakopter | the upgrade scripts/templates too. | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 00:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | the url filter on asset, fixUrl, is called twice. once with no url passed in, and so untitled defaulting, then again with either the set url or the name as a url being passed in. But the second time the object url is not set, which it shoudl be. | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | diakopter, how in the world did you find that? | 00:07 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: ?op=editSettings Account tab | 00:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | anyone know how properties filters even work? What calls them? | 00:08 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2: WebGUI::Asset->update | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: what to do about the misspellings that diakopter is pointing out? | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | If we've released, we'll have to make an upgrade script to fix them | 00:09 |
@preaction | the properties filters are a way to make sure that the property NEVER has a bad value. otherwise processpropertiesfromformpost is the place | 00:09 |
@Haarg | release is done | 00:09 |
@preaction | yeah, if necessary, upgrade script | 00:10 |
@preaction | but why is it not i18n? | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | it's everywhere | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | settings | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | i18n | 00:10 |
diakopter | preaction: b/c it's in the database. default template asset names. | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | upgrade script | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | packages | 00:10 |
@preaction | oh. package then maybe? | 00:11 |
diakopter | have Frank fix whatever he copies/pastes from :) | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | probably FFS | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | fast finger syndrome | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | I'll finish up the bugs that I need to commit then start on the misspellings. | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | and someone needs to post a bug about it | 00:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | This is one of the conditions for extensions to be appended to URL' lc($self->get("url")) eq lc($self->getId) does that even make sense? Why wouold that be in there, and what would it hurt to remove? | 00:13 |
nuba | hey, im setting up my webgui dev vmware box | 00:13 |
nuba | is there a way to get the wdk without using the source install | 00:13 |
nuba | ? | 00:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | when in the world will a url match the ID? Apparently at some point in the construction. | 00:13 |
nuba | cause last time I checked the source install takes a while..., besides the troubleshooting here and there... | 00:14 |
nuba | well, i suppose I could stay with this package Ive installed then cannibalize the source release to get just the wdk | 00:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | someone should check this before I check it in, but it makes sense and solves the problem. In Asset.pm line 646 should be removed. | 00:15 |
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@preaction | perlmonkey2: are there tests? did you run them? if no tests, did you write some? that way if you're wrong, we at least have some tests to make sure the regression doesn't happen twice | 00:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: still trying to wrap my head around why the filter is called twice. | 00:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: if I could figure that out, I would better understand what is going on. | 00:22 |
@preaction | i suspect addRevision calls update | 00:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | heh, so the asset creation leaves it with a bad url and only the addrevision gives it a good url. ouch. | 00:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | since the first url is always $path/untitled | 00:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8620 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: fix misspelled template in Survey code | 00:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8621 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: fix i18n misspelling | 00:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8622 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5.pl: add upgrade script for 7.6.5 | 00:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8623 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t): Products imported by the Shelf do not have good URLs. | 00:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8624 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t): backport 8623 (shelf imported product url fix) | 00:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r8625 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): preparing for 7.6.5 dev | 00:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8626 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Combo.pm: Combo box is not dynamic compatible | 00:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | uhg, update is called like 4 times | 00:24 |
@preaction | well, addChild may call update too perhaps | 00:25 |
@preaction | and processPropertiesFromFormPost calls update | 00:25 |
@preaction | www_edit may or may not | 00:25 |
@preaction | but the subclass's processPropertiesFromFormPost may | 00:25 |
@perlmonkey2 | only the first two calls have the url property. And the second call gets to set the url. But for url extensions, only a url that matches the id of the asset can get an extension (comments say this is only for new assets). And the second call always has a blank url for the asset (what did the first call end up doing?) | 00:29 |
@preaction | wait, only the url that matches the id of the asset gets an automatic extention? or doesn't get an automatic extention? | 00:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | if the object already has a url that matches its id, it gets an extension. | 00:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | This is only true during the first call. The second call, the property url is undef | 00:32 |
@preaction | oh, i see | 00:32 |
@preaction | undef because nothing was passed into the form, right? | 00:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | no | 00:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | that is the url param. | 00:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | which is undef | 00:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | the property of the object (ie $seslf->get(url) is undef. But I don't think it should be. | 00:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | not that it matters, because it won't match the id. | 00:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | let me re-explain that. | 00:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | yes, the $url passed in is undef. But no, that is not what the condition is testing. it is testing $self->get(url) which must match the id. | 00:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | which is only true the first time it is called and a non-numerically updated url is returned. The second time it is called, a correct url is grabbed, but since the object's url property is undef and doesn't match its id, no extension is appended. | 00:35 |
@preaction | why is the object's url property undef? it should be its id? perhaps it's an object caching problem? | 00:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | I can see the goal, which is only assets which have just been created should be updated with that extension. Else when you added the extension setting, every single asset would get the new extension when it was updated next. | 00:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: it is the id the first time. The second time (the time that actually sets the url) it is undef. | 00:36 |
@preaction | perhaps this is a good time to attach the perl debugger to apache to step through the code and see what's going on? | 00:37 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, so addChild addes a formless propertyless sad little empty thing of a class. And that sad spectle of an object meets the only conditions of an extension appendage. But then processPropertiesFromFormPost comes along and breathes life into the asset, filling it out with meaning and hope, only something is wrong. Some cruel twist of fate has caused someone to undef the url of the empty asset, undoing the only real thing ever done to it. | 00:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | Looks like a logic error in the second update call (the only one that matters). Need a new way of knowing when an asset is new. That is if the original logic was sound. | 00:50 |
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+perlDreamer | misspellings fixed | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, diakopter! | 00:52 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: That was beautifully poetic. | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | I think that needs to be used in a test to be immortalized along with Shawshank. | 00:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | but wrong. undefing the url didn't break it. | 00:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | hah | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | we used to have a version of perlbot that was full of quotes like that | 00:56 |
carogray | Haarg: in case you are still there - thanks for reassurance on the redirects. I thought that was the way it worked but wasn't sure and I know that when you do change the URL the way I was going to and you confirmed "all previous revisions" become ....deleted or whatever. Just didn't want to do something irreparable cause I didn't get it. I guess i do get it and thanks. | 01:00 |
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HomeMech | *yawn* | 01:04 |
HomeMech | hi all | 01:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8627 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 2 dirs): fix POD related to asset mixin classes, Asset*.pm | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8628 /translations/German/German/ (11 files): Update from translation server | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8629 /translations/German/German/Asset.pm: Update from translation server | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8630 /translations/German/German/Asset_WikiPage.pm: Update from translation server | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8631 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8632 /translations/German/German/Asset_Search.pm: Update from translation server | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8633 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): fix the misspelled word Template in template titles, properties and code for the Account | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8634 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_RSSFromParent.pm AuthWebGUI.pm): Update from translation server | 01:08 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8635 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (11 files): Update from translation server | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: are you head deep in the update trance? | 01:09 |
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@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: no, trying to figure out how to run all the Asset tests at once :) | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | prove -r t/Asset | 01:10 |
diakopter | error message at ?op=auth;method=foo is not stylized. | 01:12 |
@Haarg | perlmonkey2, anything i can help with for that bug? | 01:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg j/s the boss is firing me again for being retarded. | 01:13 |
diakopter | the default template for ?op=auth;method=displayAccount generates links (e.g. ?op=account;module=profile ) that do not work ( "Admin (3) connecting from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx attempted to execute an invalid operation: account" ) | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, that means you can sue on the basis of discrimination | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | if he ever fires you for being stupid, though, you have no recourse | 01:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: well, I'm going to run the tests and see if they all pass. Then I'll try to think up some corner cases where removing that line will break things. Then make a value call on if having any asset updated after extensions are turned on that they get the extension. | 01:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hah! :P | 01:15 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: the new default Auth templates utilize the If() and BackToSite() macros | 01:15 |
@Haarg | aside from the automated tests, be sure to test adding an asset normally and adding a post to a CS | 01:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: okay will do. | 01:16 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: error message at ?op=auth;method=foo is not stylized. | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | diakopter, those are valid macros | 01:16 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: the default site config does not allow them | 01:17 |
@Haarg | there are some issues with those macros currently though - they didn't get added to WebGUI.conf.original | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | they were added to my config file during the upgrade | 01:17 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: okay, but new sites created with the wre don't include them. | 01:17 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: the default template for ?op=auth;method=displayAccount generates links (e.g. ?op=account;module=profile ) that do not work ( "Admin (3) connecting from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx attempted to execute an invalid operation: account" ) | 01:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: just an FYI. But tomorrow is huge party day. F10 comes out. Woohooo! | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | why do we need an If macro, if you can do the same thing in the native template language? | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: time to upgrade ;) | 01:18 |
@Haarg | because you can't do that based on macro results | 01:18 |
@Haarg | i haven't actually looked at how it's used though | 01:19 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: the author of these templates apparently needed the if logic to operate on the result of a macro operation, and template variables are not substituted after macros are processed. | 01:19 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, the default WebGUI config is also missing the Account content handler. Is there any reason I can't add that and commit? | 01:30 |
@Haarg | yeah, thet needs fixing | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'll file a bug for it and fix it | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | I also looked at the macros, and they look okay to me | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | design-wise | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | do you remember what the hang-up was about? | 01:31 |
@Haarg | with what? | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | the If and BackToSite macros | 01:32 |
diakopter | JT .8.4 | 01:32 |
diakopter | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | 01:32 |
diakopter | * The If macro has been removed because it's far too dangerous and | 01:32 |
diakopter | error prone. If you use the If macro you may continue to use | 01:32 |
diakopter | it at your own risk, maintenance, and support cost, but it | 01:32 |
diakopter | is no longer supported by Plain Black. | 01:32 |
diakopter | 6.8.4 | 01:32 |
@Haarg | different if macro this time around | 01:33 |
@rizen | indeed | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | diakopter, this If macro is way different | 01:33 |
@rizen | no evals in this one | 01:33 |
diakopter | cool | 01:33 |
@Haarg | they should be in the .original - they were just forgotten | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'll file a bug for that, and fix it too while I'm in here | 01:35 |
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@perlmonkey2 | any brave souls would to take a look at what appears to be a unicode JSON issue? | 02:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1227566679_218/home/untitled2?func=takeSurvey | 02:01 |
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SDuensin | Evening. | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | Howdy, SDuensin | 02:06 |
SDuensin | I'm dense or something. I can't find the switch webgui thing in the bazaar. | 02:08 |
@preaction | you're not dense, the search is ... a little out of date | 02:09 |
SDuensin | :-P | 02:10 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8636 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset.pm: Update from translation server | 02:13 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8637 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Calendar.pm: Update from translation server | 02:13 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8638 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_ProjectManager.pm: Update from translation server | 02:13 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8639 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_WikiPage.pm: Update from translation server | 02:13 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8640 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): update WebGUI.conf.original for Account | 02:13 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8641 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: Add another missing macro, DeactiveAccount to the config. | 02:13 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2, are you using JSON->new->utf8 anywhere in there? | 02:14 |
@rizen | if so, don't | 02:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: I would almost bet my life I wasn't | 02:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | j/s I'll grep | 02:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: yeah, 'ut8' isn't in the JS anywhere. | 02:15 |
@rizen | how about utf8? | 02:15 |
@rizen | =) | 02:15 |
@rizen | did you search with or without the F | 02:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | heh | 02:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | with the f | 02:21 |
nuba | wtf, then | 02:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, I wonder if the tables are utf8? | 02:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | but all the chars in the example are the same points in utf8 as in western. | 02:28 |
@rizen | Haarg is the resident UTF8 expert | 02:29 |
@rizen | i'd drop him a note | 02:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | if I remember, demo servers don't use utf8. | 02:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | but my upgrade methods specify utf8 | 02:30 |
@rizen | why would the demo servers not use utf8 | 02:31 |
@rizen | they are webgui like anything else | 02:31 |
@rizen | they use the standard create.sql file | 02:31 |
@rizen | they run on the wre | 02:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | no idea. maybe that was the PB servers and I think it was updated a while abck | 02:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, probably so | 02:31 |
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elnino | out of curiousity, is there a utility or something out there that will go thru the uploads directory structure, and strip out old versions of the collatoral that is found in that structure? google has indexed an old version of a file that we've updated. just wondering. | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | purgeRevisions should do it | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | it's a workflow | 02:43 |
+Radix-wrk | lol - http://www.bash.org/?870063 | 02:44 |
elnino | ok. ill take a look at it. thanks perldreamer. | 02:44 |
@rizen | somebody has too much free time on their hands | 02:49 |
@rizen | but that was pretty cool | 02:49 |
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+perlDreamer | NULL in SQL becomes undef in perl, right? | 03:31 |
@preaction | yes | 03:32 |
+perlDreamer | Admin's profile data is all messed up | 03:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8642 /experimental/Automat/ (6 files in 3 dirs): | 03:39 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: dns integration | 03:39 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: task management | 03:39 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r8643 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (8 files in 2 dirs): integrating task/dns management with UI | 03:39 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to take a break for a while. | 03:45 |
+perlDreamer | Any last second questions? | 03:45 |
nuba | what about a quickie: please elaborate on what you think is the meaning of life | 03:55 |
nuba | ;) | 03:56 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: Merge branch '7.6.4-beta' into flux | 04:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Conflicts: | 04:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm | 04:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm | 04:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm | 04:21 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8645 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (27 files in 12 dirs): Removed old Survey-related files | 04:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r8646 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm): Fix default value handling in profile fields. Fix backported from 7.6.4. | 04:21 |
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+perlDreamer | howdy, wgGuest73 | 05:27 |
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HomeMech | If I'd like to add 'profile' data to webgui user's (company, phone number, etc) - thats done as part of an authitication plugin ? | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | no | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | Profile is core WebGUI | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | HomeMech: Become an Admin | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | Turn on Admin | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | Go to User Profiling | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | Select Add a Field | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | fill out the field, paying careful attention to the detailed and thoughtful hover help on the labels of each field | 06:30 |
HomeMech | oh - I thought profiling was click-tracking... | 06:32 |
HomeMech | perlDreamer: so whats all this stuff in the dev guid about editUserSettings and editUserForm() ? | 06:32 |
HomeMech | s/guid/guide/ | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | that's for an authentication plugin | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | to manage passwords and sometimes, permissions | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | Click tracking is called Content Profiling | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | User Profiling is differret | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | different | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | speaking codewise: | 06:34 |
+perlDreamer | Authentication = WebGUI::Auth, WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI, WebGUI::Auth::LDAP | 06:34 |
+perlDreamer | User profiling = WebGUI::ProfileField, WebGUI::ProfileCategory (and large chunks of WebGUI::Operation::Profile) | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | and Content Profiling is WebGUI::AssetMetaData, WebGUI::Macro::AOIHits and other assorted files and workflows | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | HomeMech: Does that straighten it all out? | 06:36 |
HomeMech | ahh... ok.. So if I add fields to the user data, what template do I modify to show them ? | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | technically, none | 06:37 |
+perlDreamer | they are given to the profile editor/viewer as a loop | 06:37 |
+perlDreamer | they're added automatically | 06:37 |
HomeMech | umm - I got the "your looking in the wrong place" part - but I'm not familiar with the code modules... | 06:37 |
+perlDreamer | although, if you wish, you can build a new template with an explicit, by-name interface | 06:37 |
HomeMech | oh - so I can't do custom field placement (auto-generated forms are always so ugly...) | 06:38 |
HomeMech | ? | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | sure you can | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | it's just that the default profile templates use loops to do it all | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | to do custom field placement, use the by-name interface to the profile fields | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | here, try this | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | Are you next to a WebGUI site? | 06:38 |
HomeMech | yeah - I got one created to play in | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | Log in as Admin | 06:39 |
HomeMech | in | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | Turn Admin On | 06:39 |
HomeMech | done | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | From the admin bar on the left, choose Admin Console | 06:39 |
HomeMech | ok | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | Select the Lifesaver Icon (Help) | 06:39 |
HomeMech | ok | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | This is a list of every template and its variables in WebGUI | 06:40 |
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HomeMech | ahh | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | Find the Edit Profile Template from the left column | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | and click on that link | 06:40 |
HomeMech | ok | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | Those variables are available for building tempaltes | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | although, I don't see the by-name ones documented... | 06:41 |
HomeMech | one of the first things I'd like to do, is add a user profile field 'subscribe-to-newsletter' that users can edit/change themselves... | 06:43 |
HomeMech | when the field is changed - I'd like to run a script (web-service call) to update our email blaster... | 06:43 |
HomeMech | (iContact has a web services api I can use for the actual update) | 06:44 |
Radix_wrk | HomeMech: we have an optOut field in ours | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | in WebGUI, that would be done by a Workflow | 06:45 |
+perlDreamer | to the best of my knowledge, there isn't a workflow trigger for changing a user's profile | 06:45 |
Radix_wrk | HomeMech: and I made a custom group that contains all the users of one group with the exception of the ones who have optOut ticked | 06:46 |
Radix_wrk | So we can just use the email functionality in webgui to email all the users who haven't opted out | 06:46 |
@preaction | why not use a collab system for the whole thing? | 06:46 |
HomeMech | Radix_wrk: optin, optOut - either way, I need to figure out how to add a field to the profile, and update iContact... Umm... | 06:46 |
HomeMech | well - thing is - the system has been running on iContact for years | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | HomeMech, why not run the newsletter from inside WebGUI | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | ah, that makes sense | 06:47 |
HomeMech | and the lists are already there, as well as stats | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | you could just poll the user data periodically | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | say, every day or every 12 hours | 06:47 |
HomeMech | perlDreamer: though I'm surprised there isn't a user profile change event hook... | 06:48 |
@preaction | you could always put the workflow trigger in yourself, or fund-a-feature | 06:48 |
@preaction | nobody's yet asked for one, or they have but it hasn't risen the ranks of the RFE list | 06:48 |
HomeMech | yeah - we have about 14K subscribers - so a batch job is sorta a pain - but thats how we did it in the past | 06:49 |
@preaction | which is funny because it's not exactly a hard task | 06:49 |
HomeMech | preaction: I understand... I'm just surprised it hasn't been needed/wanted before.. | 06:49 |
Radix_wrk | I'll pump karma into that kind of rfe | 06:49 |
@preaction | it may have been, but not enough people wanted to give up karma | 06:49 |
@preaction | iow there was other stuff they wanted | 06:50 |
HomeMech | preaction: right | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | It's only about 8 lines of code | 06:50 |
HomeMech | Radix_wrk: Umm - I would too, if I had any :-P | 06:50 |
@preaction | or maybe nobody did think of it, you'd be surprised what kinds of features seem obviously awesome in retrospect | 06:50 |
Radix_wrk | I've got a little :) | 06:50 |
@preaction | workflow triggers for Shop, for example | 06:50 |
@preaction | or for DataForm | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | i thought there was DataForm trigger now? | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | A workflow trigger itself is about 10 lines of code. | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | but with the settings, i18n, hover help and the like... | 06:51 |
HomeMech | anyway - so I have to add these fields via User Profile... is there a 'validate' function I can subvert ? I could 'validate-and-update' in 1 shot ? | 06:52 |
+perlDreamer | www_editProfileSave | 06:52 |
@preaction | again, your best bet of making this work with the least amount of future hassle would be to add the workflow hook yourself | 06:52 |
HomeMech | perlDreamer: heh - its always the paperwork/busy work that takes all the time :-) | 06:52 |
+perlDreamer | thats 7.5 | 06:52 |
@preaction | or, if you never plan on upgrading... | 06:52 |
+perlDreamer | in 7.6, it's www_editSave in Account/Profile | 06:52 |
+perlDreamer | but yeah, it would be best to use a workflow | 06:53 |
+perlDreamer | then it's inside the API | 06:53 |
+perlDreamer | it's got a better chance of surviving upgrades | 06:53 |
+perlDreamer | it's testable | 06:53 |
@preaction | it would go into core, and not be your responsibility anymore | 06:53 |
Radix_wrk | you can add a new field to the user profile easily inside webgui itself tho.. without any code changes | 06:53 |
HomeMech | but the workflow hook gives me a non-standard webgui - which is not something .... oh... ok then.. | 06:54 |
HomeMech | preaction: so where should I start digging to add the workflow hook then ? | 06:54 |
@preaction | theoretically, if you wanted, you could use iContact's API to make an Account plugin. then you could get those settings and even the archives right into WebGUI | 06:54 |
@preaction | well, you'd need to be working with the latest SVN. | 06:54 |
* HomeMech likes stuff that go upstream and he can forget about... | 06:54 | |
@preaction | it'd be WebGUI::Account::Profile i suspect | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | www_editSave in there | 06:54 |
@preaction | also you'd need the setting to set the workflow itself. there should be some sort of settings page in there | 06:55 |
Radix_wrk | is there an RFE to add a workflow on user profile change already? | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | editSettingsForm | 06:55 |
HomeMech | ok...lemme go get the svn stuff setup | 06:56 |
HomeMech | can I just do a svn checkout somewhere in the wre and have it 'just work' ? | 06:56 |
HomeMech | or do I need to build some sort of 'special' wre to use the svn code ? | 06:57 |
@preaction | if you have a /data/WebGUI directory, you can move the current one somewhere, then svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI /data/WebGUI | 06:57 |
@preaction | then you can work with it as normal | 06:57 |
@preaction | (add a site, restart the wre, etc...) | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | Radix_wrk, no RFE for that I can find | 06:57 |
@preaction | make sure to run /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl though, the new WebGUI probably wants a few more modules than the 7.5 | 06:57 |
@preaction | that's... weird... | 06:57 |
@preaction | when an Admin edits a user, a workflow is triggered... | 06:58 |
@preaction | (er.. can be) | 06:58 |
@preaction | most likely, HomeMech, you'll just have to copy and paste that code and change the test (or rather, put it in an else block) | 06:58 |
@preaction | it's almost stupid that the author of that bit didn't put that in while they were at it... | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, we shouldn't forget that even with the Workflow hook, there needs to be a corresponding Workflow activity | 06:59 |
@preaction | not really. and there are already WebGUI::User workflow activities | 06:59 |
@preaction | ex: The DataForm hook has no activities currently | 07:00 |
@preaction | though i'm working on a DataForm approval activity ;) | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | but there's no workflow activity for talking to HomeMech's newsletter manager | 07:00 |
@preaction | well, no, but workflow activities aren't that hard to write | 07:00 |
@preaction | they're like macros really | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | and testable, now :) | 07:00 |
@preaction | indeed | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | I think I got conned... | 07:01 |
@preaction | hm? | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | this RFE: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/make-password-recovery-by-email-templatable | 07:01 |
@preaction | gott... the password recovery system we have needs to die | 07:02 |
+perlDreamer | and this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8822 | 07:02 |
HomeMech | preaction: ./wre/prereqs/bin/perl /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl wants to install XM::FeedPP - will it install it in the right place automagically - or does it dump it in the 'system' perl ? | 07:02 |
+perlDreamer | by fixing the bug, I filled the RFE | 07:03 |
@preaction | HomeMech: since you're using the WRE perl, it will put it in the correct place | 07:03 |
@preaction | but, you could do: . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh before you do anything to be sure | 07:03 |
HomeMech | preaction: cool | 07:03 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: technically it was a bug not an RFE, the policy is: Anything user-facing is templatable | 07:03 |
+perlDreamer | in any case, can you close the RFE for me? | 07:04 |
@preaction | you mean do work? | 07:04 |
HomeMech | preaction: yeah - wasn't sure if ./setenv...sh was required when using full path to components... | 07:04 |
+perlDreamer | no, not work | 07:04 |
+perlDreamer | Volunteering :) | 07:04 |
+perlDreamer | =) | 07:04 |
@preaction | HomeMech: it's not Necessary, but it might help certain issues | 07:04 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: done. man i'm spent | 07:06 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, dude | 07:06 |
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+perlDreamer | I'll have dreamersgirl bake you some cookies | 07:07 |
@preaction | pfft. i can make my own cookies | 07:08 |
+perlDreamer | fudge oat bars? | 07:09 |
@preaction | hmm... perhaps a nice, moist cake | 07:09 |
HomeMech | ./wre/prereqs/bin/perl /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl now says... | 07:09 |
@preaction | ooh | 07:09 |
@preaction | or those | 07:09 |
HomeMech | WebGUI modules: Not Found. Perhaps you're running this script from the wrong place. | 07:09 |
@preaction | HomeMech: if you were inside /data/WebGUI/sbin, that'd be right | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | it really wants to be run from the sbin directory | 07:09 |
Radix_wrk | make sure you do a ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh" too | 07:10 |
HomeMech | ahh - I tried /data/Webgui and /data/wre dirs | 07:10 |
HomeMech | I'll try from /data/webgui/sbin | 07:11 |
+perlDreamer | what's your area code, preaction? | 07:11 |
@preaction | 920 | 07:11 |
Radix_wrk | preaction/perldreamer: make some anzac cookies | 07:11 |
dreamersgirl | anzac? | 07:11 |
dreamersgirl | I'm intrigued. | 07:11 |
Radix_wrk | http://www.aussie-info.com/identity/food/anzacs.php | 07:11 |
+perlDreamer | Radix_wrk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZAC_biscuit | 07:11 |
dreamersgirl | bring it | 07:12 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: you do live in Wisconsin? | 07:12 |
+perlDreamer | Google can't find you | 07:13 |
+perlDreamer | you must not really exist | 07:13 |
+perlDreamer | I heard that rizen was working on an advanced perlbot with AI | 07:13 |
@preaction | i could give you my address, but then i'd have to kill you | 07:14 |
+perlDreamer | No address, no fudge oat bars... | 07:14 |
+perlDreamer | No anzac biscuits... | 07:14 |
@preaction | hm... | 07:14 |
@preaction | i'm making some swiss-cheese bacon macaroni thing now, so i guess i can deal | 07:14 |
+perlDreamer | You guys didn't tell me that full time hacking was so tiring | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | I worked 10 hours today fixing bugs | 07:17 |
dreamersgirl | it was the chores that killed ya.... | 07:18 |
+perlDreamer | No, it was waiting 1.5 hours for dinner | 07:18 |
dreamersgirl | hopefully it wasn't the coffee with the cute chick in your office | 07:18 |
@preaction | yeah. it has gotten past the point where i say "8 hours and no more". i was killing myself | 07:19 |
+perlDreamer | and I thought you were joking when you asked about work. | 07:20 |
+perlDreamer | I really will send you those cookies, preaction | 07:20 |
@preaction | i could just go and go, and then all of a sudden i go crosseyed and my beard's got crumbs in it | 07:20 |
@preaction | that's right, i GREW a beard and then got crumbs in it | 07:20 |
+perlDreamer | pictures (and an address)... | 07:20 |
@preaction | i don't take pichars of me looking like that :p | 07:21 |
+perlDreamer | you can airbrush out the crumbs | 07:21 |
dreamersgirl | or we can airbrush them in... | 07:21 |
+perlDreamer | just send him cookies, that will work too | 07:21 |
Radix_wrk | Don't know how you can grow a beard for any length of time | 07:21 |
Radix_wrk | I'm growing a moustache for Movember and can't really wait until it's over | 07:22 |
@preaction | holy crap, i really don't exist | 07:22 |
Radix_wrk | soooo itchy | 07:22 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: you need a land line | 07:25 |
+perlDreamer | besides, if you don't tell me your address, I'll go over you head | 07:26 |
+perlDreamer | and ask He Who Has No Vowels | 07:26 |
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+perlDreamer | okay, time for old men to crash out | 07:30 |
+perlDreamer | 'night, all | 07:30 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8649 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 09:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Refactored JS to use module pattern for proper encapsulation | 09:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Extensive jslinting to improve cross-browser support | 09:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added some debugging statements | 09:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fixed redirection to exitUrl when survey complete | 09:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added www_deleteResponses | 09:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added security restrictions on www_ methods | 09:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r8650 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Cherry-picked survey2 updates from trunk | 09:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8651 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t): Added Matrix tests, fixed some bugs | 10:09 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8652 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (8 files): Update from translation server | 12:50 |
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SDuensin | Howdy and stuff. | 16:06 |
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BartJol | morning | 16:19 |
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BartJol | ogone wordt gevonden | 16:25 |
BartJol | dus we zijn weer een stappie verder | 16:25 |
BartJol | oops, wrong tab, sorry | 16:26 |
nuba | ah, but daj ogwerten zamish ie gofrher :D | 16:26 |
BartJol | indeed my friend, indeed | 16:27 |
BartJol | :) | 16:27 |
nuba | LOL | 16:27 |
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SDuensin | khenn is here! Hide! | 16:31 |
BartJol | mr tank! | 16:31 |
@khenn | hey | 16:31 |
@khenn | I forgot I shut it down on Sunday | 16:31 |
@khenn | was wondering why it was so quiet yesterday =p | 16:31 |
BartJol | I was stuck in a tram... that should make a diffrence in senseless remarks | 16:33 |
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@perlmonkey2 | This freaks me out. Should it? The part that freaks me out is the public member object of the anon object that is exposed through the public namespace declaration. | 16:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | http://pastebin.com/d1f22f556 | 16:56 |
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diakopter | fyi: the debian i686 wre 0.8.5 package on sourceforge runs great on debian amd64; I just had to `apt-get -y install ia32-libs` | 17:43 |
BartJol | has anybody here been writing i18n for the new version tag options? | 17:57 |
BartJol | or know who has done it? | 17:59 |
BartJol | it's just a question, I have no plans for a bug report | 18:00 |
BartJol | ah, it was Haarg | 18:01 |
@Haarg | ? | 18:01 |
BartJol | hi, what do you mean exactly by reclaiming a version tag works | 18:02 |
BartJol | but than in proper english | 18:02 |
BartJol | arg | 18:02 |
BartJol | it is in the single user version tag mode | 18:02 |
BartJol | in the i18n it says Existing open version tag is reclaimed automatically | 18:03 |
BartJol | is it coupled and made available? or is it directly set as the working tag? | 18:05 |
nuba | cool thing about svk, im making a local copy of https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI but only revision 7795 onwards. cause theres a nice -s (skip) switch to svk's sync command. | 18:05 |
nuba | 7795 is 7.6.0-beta | 18:06 |
nuba | it helps with keeping it small | 18:06 |
@Haarg | single user version tag mode would mean there is one tag for you, and whenever you make changes that tag gets set as the active tag | 18:06 |
BartJol | so why open? | 18:07 |
BartJol | sounds more like private | 18:07 |
@Haarg | open as in not committed | 18:08 |
BartJol | oh, like that, so if you're not in your tag, make a change | 18:08 |
BartJol | tada!, you're in your own tag agian | 18:08 |
BartJol | ? | 18:08 |
@Haarg | yes | 18:08 |
BartJol | beautifull | 18:08 |
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Lisette | to be put on the property image1, image2, Image3 or brochure of the product when I'm creating code, it becomes the path of the image or is the storage? | 18:31 |
BartJol | it's the storage Id | 18:32 |
Lisette | thanks | 18:33 |
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BartJol | I must admit, the new account stuff looks cool | 18:39 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8653 /translations/Italian/ (176 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 18:43 |
BartJol | beer is good: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/311961/9ac7ae24/bier_tieten.html and they do usefull research in Wisconsin it seems | 18:44 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r8654 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (12 files): Update from translation server | 19:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r8655 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (MatrixListing.pm Wobject/Matrix.pm): Matrix bugfixes and code cleanup | 19:07 |
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miloidrr | Hi perldreamer, I have a Question about the photo gallery in the last version on WebGUI WebGUI 7.5.34 | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | miloidrr, I'm not very familiar with the Gallery, but I'll do what I can to help. | 19:22 |
miloidrr | This new asset include a rate option too, like the last version with CS | 19:23 |
miloidrr | I can see this option | 19:23 |
miloidrr | I can't see this option | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | miloidrr, it may not be in the default template. | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | Have you looked there? | 19:27 |
@preaction | it doesn't have one | 19:28 |
miloidrr | =( | 19:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | I haven't been able to detect any problems with removing line 646 from Asset.pm. So the only issue is that once 646 is changed, any asset updated will have a file extension (if one is set in settings) rather it is a new asset or not. | 19:29 |
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miloidrr | I have searched in the photo template (Default Gallery View Photo), but i can't found this option | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | preaction is right. The gallery does not have a rating system | 19:39 |
miloidrr | Ok, Tks perlDreamer | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop, I would love all info that you have about users who still recieve emails after their account has been deactivated. | 19:40 |
@bopbop | oh boy, let me see if I can still find some | 19:40 |
@bopbop | it's been awhile | 19:40 |
@bopbop | Tavis experienced it too- I'll dig and send you what I can find | 19:41 |
@bopbop | I'll ask him to send you what info he might have as well | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | most of the code looks tight. So I need more clues | 19:45 |
@bopbop | ok- I just emailed you the email I received from the user | 19:45 |
@bopbop | don't know if it'll be helpful at all | 19:46 |
miloidrr | perlDreamer, do yo know when is ready the last version of WebGUI (WebGUI 7.6.4)?, they have installed this version in www.webgui.org | 19:50 |
miloidrr | Ready = uploable | 19:50 |
@preaction | miloidrr: we update webgui.org along with the release. you can download 7.6.4 now | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop: really I'm trying to see where the email came from (DataForm, CS, Inbox, or other) | 19:52 |
miloidrr | Yesssssss | 19:52 |
miloidrr | Tks | 19:52 |
@bopbop | perlDreamer: the PR/News CS on plainblack.com | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | so basically via a subscription group | 19:52 |
@bopbop | which is her: http://www.plainblack.com/pr | 19:53 |
@bopbop | yep | 19:53 |
@bopbop | her/here | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | from here it looks like he just couldn't unsubscribe | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | and that he did have an account | 19:53 |
@bopbop | there is no user account for him in the system | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | not anymore | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt that JT's fix was to nuke the account | 19:54 |
@bopbop | if he was that fast | 19:54 |
@bopbop | could be-we'd have to ask him | 19:54 |
@bopbop | there is another, whose username I included in the bug comments | 19:54 |
@bopbop | who has an account on the site | 19:54 |
@bopbop | he unsubscribed, and still received the email | 19:55 |
@bopbop | I think Tavis went through and deleted the accounts of the users he encountered | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | Mr. Brown sounds a little bent out of shape | 20:03 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8659 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: www_deleteResponse should only delete the response from this asset, not all assets | 21:10 |
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Lisette | if I have a dataform with a field type file, as I do to get the storage of that image from a macro? with $ session-> form-> param? | 21:11 |
@Haarg | why do you want to access it with a macro? | 21:14 |
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@Haarg | you would be able to use $session->form->param yes, but the DataForm should already be processing it | 21:14 |
@Haarg | what is the macro supposed to do? | 21:15 |
Lisette | the macro get the values for to create a product with this fields | 21:16 |
Lisette | but the dataform processes and creates storage for the file and I need to get the storage to relate it as an image of the product | 21:18 |
Lisette | Haarg dou you know how to do this? | 21:21 |
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@Haarg | well, using $session->form->param would probably work. overall, doing that in a macro seems like it will become problematic. | 21:22 |
Lisette | mmm | 21:22 |
Lisette | why? | 21:23 |
Lisette | but i do this with others params and works | 21:23 |
Lisette | i need the storageId but this isn't a field | 21:24 |
@Haarg | yeah, you'll need to retrieve the dataform entry information | 21:24 |
@Haarg | are you doing this on the acknowledgement screen? | 21:25 |
@Haarg | there may be a template variable with the storage id already | 21:25 |
Lisette | yes | 21:26 |
Lisette | ok, i'm going to see, thanks | 21:26 |
Lisette | i don't see | 21:30 |
Lisette | in the template of dataform i don't see nothig | 21:30 |
Lisette | how to do, or this not possible? | 21:36 |
@preaction | <tmpl_var field.noform.<fieldName>.value> | 21:37 |
Lisette | this is the storageId? | 21:38 |
@preaction | the value of the field is the storage ID, yes | 21:39 |
Lisette | thanks | 21:40 |
Lisette | a dataform can be operated with workflows? | 21:47 |
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elnino | hello! I'm working on a new pagelayout template. And I put some stuff in the "extra headers" portion of the template, but when a page uses that template, those items don't appear anywhere in the html code.. Is that correct? | 22:34 |
@preaction | does your style template have a <tmpl_var head.tags> block? | 22:34 |
elnino | oh.. no this is a pagelayout - I suppose I need to have that statement... Thanks! | 22:39 |
@preaction | in the style template | 22:40 |
@preaction | page layout templates are part of a style template's body.content | 22:41 |
elnino | oh. Yes, the style template has it. It's the same one that I've used for the whole site... but I'll double check. | 22:41 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I could use that JS help now, if you're available | 22:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: sure, what's up? | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | let me email you two files | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | you can read them, laugh, and then help me figure out how to do it the right way | 22:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | heh, okay | 22:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm not sure about "the right way", but I can probably get cloes. | 22:45 |
@perlmonkey2 | close | 22:45 |
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elnino | preaction - yep, the style has the head.tags, and it's not picking up the pagelayout template's "extra headers" | 22:50 |
@preaction | that's wierd | 22:50 |
elnino | so, it appears to be a bug in my version? | 22:50 |
elnino | I'll check with the demo site. | 22:50 |
elnino | if I put the "extra headers" in the page layout itself, they are pickedup. but not when they are stored iwht the template. | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | that's not a bug | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | if you put them in the template, they would be used when you view the template itself, not use it in another place. | 22:53 |
elnino | ok, but my css and scripts only apply to pages that use the template, so following the "object model" I would think they should be "stored" with the template. But I can see that that would b a nightmare traversing all the templates used and picking up all the "extra head tags" | 22:54 |
elnino | and displaying them at the "top" level. | 22:54 |
+perlDreamer | What does the Extra Heat Tags hover help say? | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need to make it clearer | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | Because you're pretty familiar with wG now | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | and if it doesn't make sense to you, then that's a good indicator that it should be changed | 22:55 |
@preaction | there shouldn't be an Extra Head Tags on the metadata tab for templates. there should only be the one on the Properties tab | 22:56 |
@preaction | imho | 22:56 |
+perlDreamer | what's the difference? | 22:56 |
+perlDreamer | oh, you mean the head block versus the "extra head tags" | 22:56 |
@preaction | yeah | 22:57 |
@preaction | templates have no view. they show their parent | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | Why don't we change that, then? | 22:58 |
+perlDreamer | in the def sub, it should be possible to remove properties | 22:58 |
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elnino | I guess if templates have no "view" then those head elements will never be "pulled" so I gues I could be with perlDreamer, and remove the extra head elements for templates, since there appears to be no application for that data. | 22:59 |
* perlDreamer also thinks that the view method for a template should be the edit view | 22:59 | |
+perlDreamer | instead of the parent view | 22:59 |
elnino | hmm. I guess that was preactions idea. =) | 22:59 |
+perlDreamer | it was. He's brilliant | 23:00 |
elnino | both of you are. | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | Thank you, but compared to most of these guys I'm a rank amateur | 23:00 |
@preaction | the view method has to be something besides the edit method, what happens when they're part of a page layout? | 23:00 |
elnino | I did find the hover confusing, because it talked about assets, and I'm working on a template, but I think internally they are the "same" so I figured it would be treated the same. | 23:00 |
@preaction | www_view could point to www_edit though | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | indeed, preaction. | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | and no more funny style issues | 23:01 |
elnino | ok. you guys talk, I'll just put it in the page layout's propertes.. bummmer though, not very OO. Would you like me to put a RFE together? | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, is that a bug, or an RFE? | 23:02 |
elnino | I call it a bug. =) | 23:03 |
@preaction | personally i would consider it confusing enough to be a bug, but i'd have to get consensus from Haarg and rizen | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | If its declared a bug, I'll fix it today. | 23:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: does tha tcode work? in [head] it is throwing errors. | 23:04 |
elnino | and fix means, removing that property from templates? | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | its against 7.5 | 23:04 |
@rizen | could someone summarize in 2 sentences the last 200 messages so i can give you an opinion? | 23:04 |
elnino | I'll explain. | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, extra head tags in a template are never used. We'd like to remove them from the Template editing screen | 23:04 |
elnino | right. =) | 23:05 |
@preaction | the extra head tags in the Metadata tab | 23:05 |
@Haarg | which extra head tags? | 23:05 |
@rizen | you mean the style template? | 23:05 |
elnino | pagelayout template. | 23:05 |
@rizen | wait | 23:05 |
elnino | I think they should be utilized, not removed. | 23:05 |
@rizen | the extra head tags field is never used? | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 23:05 |
elnino | it appears so. | 23:05 |
@preaction | the one on the Properties tab is used, the Head Block field | 23:05 |
@rizen | oh...haarg just explained offline | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | but Extra Head Tags is only used when the asset is directly viewed | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | which never happens with a template | 23:06 |
@preaction | which templates can't do | 23:06 |
@rizen | yes, hide the field | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, please file that bug for me | 23:06 |
@rizen | wait | 23:06 |
@rizen | i have an idea | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | speak, oh fleet fingered one... | 23:07 |
@rizen | what if we get rid of the "head block" field in the template | 23:07 |
@rizen | and just use the "extra head tags" field | 23:07 |
@rizen | merge all data in the head block | 23:07 |
@rizen | into extra head tags | 23:07 |
@rizen | cuz they basically are the same field | 23:07 |
@preaction | get rid of the current data in the Extra Head Tags field for templates? since there may be something in there, but it wasn't being used? | 23:08 |
@rizen | no | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | merge it in | 23:08 |
@rizen | let me explain in psudo code | 23:08 |
@preaction | merging it in means changing behavior | 23:08 |
@rizen | extraHeadTags += headBlock | 23:09 |
@rizen | delete headBlock | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | currently, head block is a codearea, but extra head tags is a text area. Can we change that? | 23:09 |
@preaction | those tags will be important now, whereas before they were useless (if there were anything in there) | 23:09 |
@rizen | we can certainly change that into a codearea pd | 23:09 |
elnino | I'm a bit lost, where can I find this head block field under properties? under "meta data" I only see "extra head element tags" and that is the field that doesn't seem to be working. | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | are extra head tags inserted for $asset->view, or only for $asset->www_view? | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, page down in the properties tab for any template | 23:11 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: it's irrelevant because you don't "view" a template | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | the "head block" is below the template field | 23:11 |
@rizen | you render a template | 23:11 |
elnino | omg, yes,I agree, those two fields are essentially the smae. I'll put my code there instead. | 23:12 |
@preaction | i'm just saying if we do assetData.extraHeadTags += template.headBlock, put something in the gotchas. if assetData.extraHeadTags already had something like "<title>Ha Ha!1one</title>", your page might now have a new title | 23:12 |
@rizen | preaction: ok | 23:13 |
@rizen | perlDreamer, do you know what you need to do? | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | I have 75% of it | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | I don't understand when Extra Head Tags from children get pushed into a parent. | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | can you walk me through a simple example | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | 1 page with layout template with 1 article on it with 1 template | 23:14 |
@rizen | you're thinking of it in appropriately | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | if I view the page, which extra head tags do I get? | 23:14 |
@rizen | but ok | 23:14 |
elnino | could we move contents from the head block and put it in the "extra head" field, since the "extra head field" is a standardized properties for almost everything I've seen? and get rid of the head block? (bascally the opposite of what you've suggested.) | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, no, since extra head tags is a standard field for all assets | 23:14 |
elnino | I think templates are the only assets that have a "head block", | 23:15 |
elnino | right, | 23:15 |
@rizen | when you call the page layout's www_view method you'll get the extraHead tags from the page layout, the page layout's template, and the article's template, but not the article | 23:15 |
elnino | oh. | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | and when I view the article, then I get the article and the article's template | 23:15 |
elnino | right. That's what I'm saying. | 23:15 |
@rizen | correct pd | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | okay, now I know what to do | 23:16 |
@rizen | and the reason for that is that the extraheadtags will work exactly like headBlock works now in the case of a template | 23:16 |
@rizen | there is one more special case though pd | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | uh oh | 23:16 |
elnino | so which field is staying and which field is disappearing? | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | elnino->delete('head block') | 23:17 |
@rizen | right now the headBlock processes meta tag template variables | 23:17 |
elnino | awesome. | 23:17 |
@rizen | so in the case of a template | 23:17 |
@rizen | you'll process those meta tag template variables on the template | 23:17 |
@rizen | on the extra head tags | 23:17 |
@rizen | instead | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like I need to subclass getExtraHeadTags in the template class | 23:17 |
@rizen | perlDreamer, before you make any decisions about that | 23:18 |
@preaction | with the new Account stuff, should the upgrade perhaps add some useful information as an inbox message to the Admins group? or the Content Manager's group or something? | 23:18 |
@rizen | see how it currently works | 23:18 |
@preaction | (perhaps not in this instance, but in future instances) | 23:18 |
@rizen | preaction: why? | 23:18 |
@preaction | to cut down on PB support questions when things change | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | No one reads the gotchas.txt file? | 23:19 |
@rizen | yeah right | 23:19 |
@rizen | preaction: 50% of the questions posted to support are precisely because no one reads anything | 23:20 |
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@preaction | lesson 2 of UI design is: Nobody reads the manual. Nobody reads the docs. Nobody reads instructions. | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | What's lesson 1? | 23:20 |
@preaction | users are idiots | 23:20 |
@preaction | - Joel Spolsky | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | and rizen, when you say "see how it currently works", do you mean getExtraHeadTags or something else? | 23:21 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: i mean look at the current metadata template processing | 23:21 |
elnino | ok. so... you're going to remove the headblock and subclass extra heads for templates so template variables are executed. Sounds awesome. that is what I was hoping would come out of this. During the upgrade, are you moving existing contents from head block to "extra headers"? - do you want me to pull an RFE/Bug for this for you? | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, please file a bug for it. | 23:22 |
@rizen | elninio: NO | 23:22 |
elnino | I didn't understand correctly? | 23:22 |
@rizen | elnino: it is not going to process just any template variables | 23:22 |
@rizen | only meta data / content profiling type variables | 23:22 |
elnino | right. | 23:22 |
@rizen | just like the head block does now | 23:22 |
@rizen | ok | 23:22 |
elnino | right. | 23:23 |
elnino | Thank you for clarifying the difference, didn't know there was one. good to now. | 23:23 |
elnino | s/now/know | 23:23 |
@rizen | so perlDreamer are we on the same page? | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 23:27 |
@rizen | i love it when a plan comes together | 23:27 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: while you're in there you should hide the extraHeadTags field when the namespace of a template is 'style' | 23:28 |
@rizen | to do that you'll probably have to use a customDrawMethod attribute on that field | 23:29 |
elnino | this is good. bug posted | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, I'll look into that. Might need to come back for help. | 23:30 |
elnino | are style templates different than other templates? | 23:30 |
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+perlDreamer | Let me get the assetManager bug closed, then I'll start on this new one. | 23:30 |
@preaction | slightly, their head tags don't get added to the whole thing | 23:30 |
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+MrHairgrease | i think I've found (one of the) cause(s) of the reply count going wrong in CS's | 23:31 |
@rizen | elnino: what preaction said is because with a style template you already have the <head></head> block right at your fingertips, so it doesn't make any sense that you'd need the extra head tags | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | AssetLineage->getDescendantCount does not gie the correct result if there are multiple revisions | 23:31 |
@rizen | nice find MrHairgrease | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | just not sure how to fix it | 23:32 |
+MrHairgrease | hang on I'll paste something | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | it needs to do the revisionDate check | 23:32 |
elnino | ah. got it. | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | and revisionDate = (select max(revisionDate) from assetData) | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | or something similar | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | but that'd be slow | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | I'd figure a group by would do the trick | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | but it doesn't | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | that means that getChildCount is wrong too | 23:33 |
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+MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m22f88ccc | 23:34 |
+MrHairgrease | the problem in this case is that the thread actually has three revisions | 23:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8660 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Contributions.pm): append pagination variables to the Contributions template variables | 23:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8661 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Layout.pm: fix an i18n typo in the Layout asset | 23:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8662 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Layout.pm: backport i18n fix | 23:35 |
+MrHairgrease | there are other places where the reply count goes wrong as well btw | 23:35 |
+MrHairgrease | more specifically on cut/copy/paste actions | 23:35 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's by design | 23:35 |
+perlDreamer | we could never figure out a way to do that one | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | but that's fixable by putting the correct code in WebGUI::Asset::Post->paste | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | and cut | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | I did something that fixed that a couple of weeks ago | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | is it committed in? | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | but accidentally rm-ed it | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | argh | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | I can prolly fix it again though | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | since I still know how I did it | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | the problem was however | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | you'll probably do it better the second time | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | that I then had not found the revisionDate thing | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | so in some cases it still failed... | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | anybody knows why the group by doest fix the query in http://webgui.pastebin.com/m22f88ccc | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | I'd build test cases in assetLineage.t and then make changes until they pass | 23:38 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll try to reapply the fix, test and commit it this week | 23:38 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 23:38 |
+MrHairgrease | never mind | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | I already know why the group by doesn't work | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | why doesn't it work? | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | For the newbie full-time programmer in the room | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | since that will give the number of rows with a specific assetId | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | it will return only one row though | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | but it didn't | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | it returned 3 rows | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | only one | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | +----------+ | count(*) | +----------+ | 3 | +----------+ | 23:40 |
elnino | perlDreamer/preaction/rizen - feel free to rename the bug. I didn't know what to call it. http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9155 | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | 9155 is a good name | 23:41 |
elnino | =) | 23:41 |
elnino | I be going now, let me know if I can do anything more with this. Thanks! That was fun! | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | later, elnino | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, Did I already tell you that the files go with 7.5? | 23:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, but I'm still not seeing anything work with them. | 23:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | are they supposed to work? | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | they work fine here | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | just no menu on the crumb trail | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | which browser are you using? | 23:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | firefox | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | does a stock 7.5 work okay? | 23:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | WebGUI.AssetManager.showMoreMenu is not a function | 23:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | it should, I dev on this 7.5 instance all the time | 23:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'll revert it and make sure it work.s | 23:44 |
+MrHairgrease | yay | 23:44 |
+MrHairgrease | gotta love mysql | 23:44 |
+MrHairgrease | select count(DISTINCT assetData.assetId) | 23:44 |
+MrHairgrease | that does the trick | 23:45 |
+MrHairgrease | anybody knows if count(distinct ...) is ansi sql? | 23:45 |
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+MrHairgrease | ah | 23:46 |
+MrHairgrease | seems so | 23:46 |
+MrHairgrease | gotta love sql in general then =) | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I'll turn on firebug | 23:48 |
+MrHairgrease | what does UU mean when svn up-ing? | 23:50 |
+MrHairgrease | some sort of a turbo update? | 23:51 |
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+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, one U is content update | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | the next U is properties update | 23:55 |
+MrHairgrease | what kind of props? | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | maybe file level properties (r,w,x)? | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | maybe custom meta properties? | 23:56 |
+MrHairgrease | hmm | 23:56 |
+MrHairgrease | well | 23:56 |
+MrHairgrease | whatever | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | which file was it? | 23:56 |
+MrHairgrease | as long as it works, it's fine by me | 23:56 |
+MrHairgrease | oh a whole lot | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn-book.html#svn.ref.properties | 23:57 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 23:57 |
@Haarg | i turned off the executable flag on a bunch of files | 23:57 |
+MrHairgrease | thanks | 23:57 |
+MrHairgrease | that's prolly it | 23:57 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: firebug gives me the all clear | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | so I'm just doing something stupid, not wrong | 00:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hmm | 00:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | now I'm not getting an error. strange | 00:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | but I'm still not seeing any assets or menus | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | I get DataTable assets, with more menus that work. | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | but no crumb trail click/dropdown menu | 00:01 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: maybe try clearing the browser cache? | 00:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | hah, that is funny. never would have thought that browser caching would have affected an ajax call. | 00:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, works now. | 00:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | so when I click on the last bread crumb item, a menu should pop up? | 00:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, when I click on that last bread crumb I get "WebGUI.AssetManager.showMoreMenu is not a function. | 00:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | your onclick event for that item appears to call something that doesn't exist. Am I missing a template? | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | restart the server to get the new content handler for assetManager? | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | it's a 2 part change | 00:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | assetManger.js and AssetManager.pm | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | right | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | the new AssetManager.pm should not have the onclick on it anymore | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | no, I'm wrong | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | it does | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | but WebGUI.AssetManager.showMoreMenu is defined in the JS file | 00:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, for some reason it isn't showing up for me. I'm clearing cache on both ends....... | 00:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: are you sure that js file is loaded from extras? | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | I've inserted a comment at the top to see if I'm getting it, and no matter what I do I am not getting that new file. | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | using firebug, I can see it | 00:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | I am using firebug | 00:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | that is how I saw the error in the first place | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | extras/yui-webgui/build/assetManager/assetManager.js? | 00:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | hahaha | 00:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | no | 00:23 |
patspam | morning :) | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | morning, patspam | 00:24 |
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@perlmonkey2 | okay, now I get no error, but nothing happens on onclick. Should a menu be appearing? | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | well, that's what I want to happen | 00:25 |
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@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what is linkTextId | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | the id of the element that I want the menu attached to | 00:27 |
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@perlmonkey2 | right right, but I don't see it in the html | 00:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | and since I'm not seeing a menu, I'm wondering if I'm missing that dom el | 00:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | And I hate to brag, but I'm 56% finished burning my x64 F10 DVD. | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | doh! | 00:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, I lied. I don't hate to brag :P | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | when you wipe your machine and reinstall, how do you handle things like stored password in FF? | 00:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | reenter them? I've actually grabbed my entire home space this time to see if I can just copy back in those encrypted files | 00:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | But normally I just retype them in. | 00:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | it's only twice a year. | 00:29 |
patspam | foxmarks is handy for that | 00:29 |
+MrHairgrease | ok, I'll fix the CS stuff next friday when I have time | 00:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: foxmarks backs up your passwords? | 00:31 |
patspam | yeah, they added that recently | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | that's cool | 00:31 |
patspam | encrypted thankfully | 00:31 |
nuba | cookies too? | 00:32 |
patspam | heh nah | 00:32 |
patspam | at least, i don't think so | 00:32 |
nuba | i seriously miss google's browser sync | 00:32 |
nuba | with cookies, history, pwds, etc | 00:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: looks like it stores the info on their server? | 00:32 |
patspam | yep | 00:32 |
patspam | but passwords are encrypted before they leave your machine | 00:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | "I don't know you. Let go of my purse!" | 00:33 |
nuba | heh | 00:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I just got the remarkably insightful error message from your code. "w is null" | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | where are you getting these error messages from? | 00:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, you can tell how out of it I am when I was looking for linkTextId as a string in the html. | 00:36 |
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@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: are you getting a menu? | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | no | 00:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | just wondering where I need to start looking | 00:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | no menu | 00:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | I have an idea. Might be in the dom el's you give as hard coded args. Not sure. | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | I have the feeling that my whole approach is wrong | 00:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | no | 00:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | looks normal to me | 00:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | you could probably wrap your functions in a single object to tidy it up, but I don't see why you would have to. | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | maybe the problem is the render call | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | The original code is from the assetManager, but this guy is not a child of the assetManager. | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | nope, this is a child of assetManager | 00:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: haveyou tried making sure nothing is connected to 'assetManager' first? | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know what that means | 00:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | putting in just a basic option, hard coded, to rule out the options being an issue. | 00:49 |
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+perlDreamer | the options should be fine, since that same subroutine gets used by the activity formatter | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | but I'll try it | 00:51 |
@perlmonkey2 | and will a menu show if it doesnt' have any items? | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know. Items are defined by the global WebGUI.AssetManager.MoreMenuItems | 00:52 |
@perlmonkey2 | no, it isn't the lack of item.s I just added some | 00:53 |
@perlmonkey2 | items are? they come back in the options? | 00:53 |
@perlmonkey2 | because I'm showing three basic css options and no items from that call. | 00:54 |
@perlmonkey2 | can a menu target be a div? (grasping at straws) | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | the other menu items are anchor tags | 00:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8663 /experimental/Automat/ (7 files in 3 dirs): dns management works, along with task management | 00:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | I changed the target to the ol crumbtail item, no joy | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | the function is being called | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | I put a breakpoint in there and clicked on the link | 00:59 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh yeah, it is being called. | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | and it stopped at the breakpoint | 00:59 |
@perlmonkey2 | no errors are being through | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | no | 00:59 |
@perlmonkey2 | I wish render returned something...maybe it does | 00:59 |
@perlmonkey2 | true | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | it returns a boolean | 01:00 |
nuba | perlDreamer: you mentioned "breakpoint"? | 01:01 |
nuba | how do you debug webgui code? | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | yes, nuba | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | nuba, with print statements | 01:02 |
nuba | ah, ok :D | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | with JS, I'm trying to learn how to use firebug | 01:02 |
@preaction | or by attaching the perl debugger to apache | 01:02 |
nuba | yeah, ive heard of that | 01:02 |
nuba | never did it, tho | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, there's your topic for the WUC next year | 01:02 |
@preaction | http://madmongers.org/talks/troubleshooting-apache-and-mod_perl#GQ9iQnHXZfqe5ujq6rVQmA <- already did it for MadMongers | 01:03 |
@preaction | that isn't to say i couldn't do it, but it would have to be some demand for it | 01:06 |
@preaction | i'd have to break that presentation in two, it was 90 minutes long | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | just talk twice as fast | 01:07 |
@preaction | heh, i was talking fast already and i probably covered 2/3 of what i should have covered for both topics | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | I tried pulling out the assetManager arg to menu.render, and no change | 01:12 |
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+perlDreamer | Would you take a look at this, preaction? | 01:16 |
@preaction | at what? | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | the assetmanager crumb trail "More" menu | 01:17 |
@preaction | okay | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | email on the way | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | in the onclick target for the last link, I call a JS function that is supposed to create and draw a menu | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | but it never shows up | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | the function is called, and there are no errors | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | but no menu is drawn | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | the menu drawing routine is WebGUI.AssetManager.showMoreMenu | 01:19 |
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+perlDreamer | rbr | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 01:20 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: functions in javascript are called by using () after them. otherwise they're just references | 01:21 |
@preaction | the menu.show; and menu.focus; won't work without () | 01:21 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8664 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: made it a great deal prettier | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | oh ho | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | son of a gun! | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | I'm not an idiot after all | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | I'm just stoopid | 01:29 |
@preaction | well, ... heh, that method was in there because i couldn't get the god-damned thing to work right | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | do you know I've been working on this on and off for a week? | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | I've read reams of YUI docs | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | (and, btw, I think I know a way we can speed up the menus and reduce their footprint at the same time now) | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | and I've been stopped by 4 characters | 01:31 |
@preaction | sweet | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, thank you! | 01:31 |
@preaction | i'm beginning to think that bacos are about the nastiest thing ever invented by man | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | dude, only real bacon | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | TVP is not real food | 01:32 |
@preaction | but bacon is high in cholesterol and saturated fat | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | don't eat it often | 01:32 |
@preaction | two things doctor says i can't have anymore | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | huh? | 01:32 |
@preaction | like, period | 01:32 |
@preaction | well, in the amount that i was used to eating | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'll send you my bean stew casserole recipe | 01:33 |
@preaction | if i make one dish with bacon, i'll eat it for 4 days (because a recipe makes that much) | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | $recipe->scale(0.25); | 01:33 |
@preaction | $freetime->scale(0.25); | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 01:34 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8665 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add more menu to assetmanager crumbtrail | 01:51 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8666 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: formatted nav better | 01:51 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8667 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward porting assetmanager crumb trail more menu | 01:51 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8668 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: fix AssetManager copy button label | 01:51 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: it worked? | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | yes! | 01:51 |
@preaction | nice! | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | I need to sit and read the Learning JS book that I have | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | it would help with little things like that | 01:52 |
@preaction | perhaps JSLint? | 01:52 |
@preaction | i think there's such a thing | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | this is weird | 01:58 |
+perlDreamer | if I remove the headBlock code from Template.pm, I won't be able to access it using Asset API functions | 01:58 |
+perlDreamer | ah, but I can still get it directly from the db | 01:59 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, preaction found it | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | menu.focus is not a function call | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | neither is menu.show | 02:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | doh | 02:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | bool? | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | menu.show() | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | menu.focus() | 02:12 |
@preaction | menu.show is the function, but menu.show() calls the function | 02:13 |
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+perlDreamer | it works in perl | 02:14 |
* perlDreamer mopes and mutters | 02:14 | |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8669 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (5 files in 2 dirs): better task management | 02:44 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: http://www.linux.com/feature/153984 | 03:24 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: now would be a good time to gloat about FC10 | 04:15 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen, a custom draw method won't hide the extra head tags for style templates | 04:50 |
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+perlDreamer | custom draw method will always draw a readonly field | 04:50 |
+perlDreamer | the good news is that, aside from that, the extra head tags work is done | 04:52 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8670 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Cherry-picked Survey from trunk | 07:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8671 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): | 07:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Flux plugins now use Params::Validate to define argument spec. | 07:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Added new general-purpose Modifier called Method that lets you call an arbitrary method an operand (supports method arguments too). | 07:35 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8672 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Flux/Rule.pm Flux.pm): | 10:24 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fixed bug in handling of 'minimal' optimisation in getLinearProgression. | 10:24 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Added ENV flag to allow for running of realtime workflows to speed up test suite | 10:24 |
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BartJol | morning | 12:06 |
Petruchio- | Good morning. | 12:06 |
BartJol | everything ok? | 12:08 |
Petruchio- | Spiffy, thanks. | 12:08 |
Petruchio- | I'm just checking things out. Good of you to ask; speaks well of the community. | 12:10 |
BartJol | yeah, we're not that big, but quite enthousiastic | 12:12 |
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Bernd_ | Indeed. | 12:53 |
Bernd_ | Good morning btw | 12:53 |
BartJol | Hi Bernd_ do you happen to know on which wre webgui 7.0.8 is best run? | 12:54 |
BartJol | or will it just be digging through gotchas and changelogs | 12:55 |
BartJol | don't start searching, I can also search myself | 12:55 |
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Bernd_ | No idea, Bart. | 13:03 |
BartJol | ok | 13:03 |
Bernd_ | I have been using WebGUI only since 7.4 :-) | 13:03 |
Bernd_ | I am a newbie! | 13:04 |
BartJol | yeah we still have some sites without wre and that really need upgrading now | 13:04 |
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@rizen | BartJol: you want something in the 0.7 series | 16:34 |
BartJol | ah | 16:36 |
@rizen | Technically 0.8.0 will probably run it, but the later 0.8 versions definitely won't | 16:36 |
@rizen | but 0.7 was the version under which it was released | 16:37 |
BartJol | so latest 0.7 will be best | 16:37 |
BartJol | ok, will try it | 16:37 |
SDuensin | (Insert crazy scream here.) Morning! | 16:47 |
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schabi | Is it correct that WebGUI does not support PostgreSQL anymore? | 17:03 |
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@rizen | schabi: for it's primary database yes, though it can read data out of a postgresql database using SQL Report | 17:09 |
@rizen | SDuensin: why are you screaming? | 17:09 |
wgGuest37 | I am blind today.. Where is the user contribution area? I keep getting directed to the home page of plainblack when I do a google search | 17:10 |
SDuensin | rizen - Just too frickin' much trying to happen this week. | 17:10 |
schabi | rizen: that's sad. So it disqualifies for our setup. Thanks. | 17:11 |
@rizen | schabi: understood. we supported it for 3 years and had only 1 or 2 users in that time. compare that to thousands of mysql users | 17:12 |
@rizen | schabi: it just wasn't worth the support effort | 17:12 |
@rizen | wgGuest37: webgui.org/bazaar | 17:12 |
@rizen | wgGuest37: what links are you clicking on that redirect you? | 17:12 |
schabi | rizen: I see. | 17:13 |
@rizen | schabi: with the WebGUI Runtime Environment (wre) mysql is all self contained for you anyway. You really don't have to do anything with it. Is it possible you could still consider WebGUI? | 17:14 |
schabi | rizen: it is not my decision. We have "No PHP, No MySQL" policy. Apparently for good reasons. But that considerably reduces the amount of available CMSes. | 17:16 |
@rizen | schabi: understood. | 17:16 |
@rizen | schabi: do you also need to host it in house? if not, we could host it for you and then you wouldn't have to deal with mysql | 17:16 |
schabi | Well, it may be that MySQL will get allowed in the future, they look promising, but not yet. | 17:16 |
schabi | We have our own servers at several colocations. We have no servers where we don't own the hardware. | 17:17 |
@rizen | schabi: i'm very sorry we couldn't help you this time. do keep us in mind though if your search doesn't bear fruit. WebGUI is pretty much the most feature rich CMS on the planet right now. | 17:18 |
SDuensin | WebGUI is DA BOMB. | 17:19 |
* SDuensin isn't even paid to say that. | 17:20 | |
schabi | rizen: The "killer feature" I found is that it told to be able to export to static html. | 17:20 |
@rizen | i think pretty much anyone here would back up that statement, and only the people with up status are PB employees | 17:20 |
@rizen | schabi: absolutely, WebGUI runs about 80% of the web infrastructure at the US department of state, and about 60% of their use is to export it to static html and then distribute those files out to their worldwide mirrors. | 17:21 |
schabi | Ok, thanks. I know enough now. I'll have a talk with the rest of our staff, and maybe we can make an exception. But that's not guaranteed... | 17:24 |
SDuensin | It's worth it. Trust me. I strayed...once. | 17:24 |
@rizen | schabi: if they need extra convincing, we do have free webinars. contact info@plainblack.com to set one up | 17:24 |
SDuensin | CSS is like a puzzle with only half the pieces. | 17:26 |
wgGuest37 | I did a google search for webgui templates. The link looked good, but brought me to the splash page. Now it works. | 17:27 |
schabi | Hmm. I'll definitely have a closer look at it, maybe I'll use it for my private homepage. Thank you all... | 17:28 |
BartJol | Oh can I submit an RFE for a GCI (graphical CSS interface) | 17:28 |
schabi | But I cannot promise that we'll use it at work. :-( | 17:29 |
BartJol | right clicking on an object select "change CSS for this object" or "change CSS for this object type" | 17:29 |
BartJol | that would awsome, but hardly feasable | 17:29 |
@rizen | schabi: can i ask where you work? | 17:30 |
BartJol | WebGUI site setup comes a bit in this direction though | 17:30 |
schabi | rizen: it's a small software development company in Switzerland, Logical Tracking and Tracing. | 17:31 |
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@rizen | schabi: cool. though not in Switzerland specifically, WebGUI has a strong presence in Europe | 17:33 |
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@rizen | in fact, as i look at the list of people in IRC right now Bernd_ BartJol xdanger are all from Europe, maybe others as well | 17:34 |
BartJol | I deny everyhing | 17:36 |
@rizen | Of course you do, you're Dutch. | 17:36 |
BartJol | yeah, I'm living the poldermodel life | 17:37 |
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+perlDreamer | Nice bug catch, BartJol ;) | 18:01 |
BartJol | yeah, I'm insanely proud! | 18:03 |
+perlDreamer | or at least, just insane | 18:05 |
+perlDreamer | have you got all the new i18n translated yet, or still buried? | 18:05 |
+perlDreamer | I guess it's time we let you in on the conspiracy | 18:06 |
+perlDreamer | Koen comes into the channel and tells us when you have dates and parties | 18:06 |
+perlDreamer | then, we make a whole mess of i18n in order to keep you busy | 18:06 |
BartJol | and during the wuc you all just act nice and friendly | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | well, you are large and intimidating | 18:07 |
BartJol | but I'm busy translating as you can see in the svn commits that were made | 18:08 |
BartJol | but only when I've got time | 18:08 |
BartJol | and I catched a cold, so I don't have hanovers, just am tired | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | well, nothing is better for a cold than some chicken soup, a little red wine, and some i18n translation | 18:10 |
BartJol | ah | 18:12 |
BartJol | well, I'm visting some friends tonight (not via a WebGUI site, but real life) | 18:13 |
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BartJol | so no i18n tonight for me | 18:15 |
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BartJol | well, perlDreamer I will have to get my revenge somewhere, who came up with that plan? | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | Just who do you know that is sneaky and devious like that? | 18:24 |
BartJol | Sarah? | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | No, Sarah is the dear lady who lets you sleep on her couch and streak through her house | 18:28 |
BartJol | yeah, but she likes the streaking part | 18:29 |
BartJol | than it must be JT, he hates me the most I suppose | 18:29 |
+perlDreamer | In 7.5, is there supposed to be a button in the Add Field dialog box to save your data? | 18:30 |
BartJol | like in thingy? | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | I hit the Add Field button | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | and a little dialog box pops up | 18:31 |
BartJol | yeah | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | but there's no "save/submit" button | 18:31 |
BartJol | that's a bug | 18:31 |
BartJol | it has been reported I think | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'll check | 18:31 |
BartJol | I saw it and didn't report | 18:31 |
@rizen | BartJol: how could you think i hate you, i've let you stay at my house both times you were stateside | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, it was reported and fixed | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | but apparently only in 7.6? | 18:33 |
BartJol | I don't know whether it was backported | 18:33 |
BartJol | so your saying it's all koen's fault? | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | I could not confirm or deny that statement without breaking several international treaties. | 18:35 |
BartJol | you both are just pushing me in that direction | 18:36 |
BartJol | well, I will be in a car with Koen tomorrow, if an accident happened to happen.... feel guilty | 18:43 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8677 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 19:48 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: The deprecated use of Graphics::Magick has been eliminated. WebGUI uses | 19:48 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Image::Magick exclusively for all image processing functions once again. | 19:48 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8678 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 19:48 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: The deprecated use of Graphics::Magick has been eliminated. WebGUI uses | 19:48 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Image::Magick exclusively for all image processing functions once again. | 19:48 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8679 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm): - fixed: a bug in Crud where keys being updated would cause a crash | 19:48 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8680 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Matrix.pm Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): Fixed some Matrix bugs | 19:48 |
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+perlDreamer | okay, i give | 20:24 |
+perlDreamer | How do you enter data into a thingy? | 20:24 |
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apeiron | perlDreamer, You should see an 'add $thingname' link. | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | yup. Added a thing | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | made a field | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | now I want to add data | 20:26 |
apeiron | perlDreamer, You should see a link on the page for the thing that you added that says 'add $thingname' | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | ah, okay | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | thanks apeiron! | 20:31 |
apeiron | np | 20:31 |
apeiron | I got really confused when first playing with thingy. Named my first thing 'thingy'. | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | me, too | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'm finding it less than intuitive | 20:33 |
@rizen | perlDreamer...as you play with it and discover things, please let me know what you find unintuitive (specific items, not "everything"), cuz i do want to make it easier to use | 20:37 |
@rizen | actually post RFE's for those things | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | will do rizen | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | is the view screen the same thing as the search screen? | 20:48 |
@preaction | no, the view screen is a list | 20:48 |
@preaction | but the "default screen" can be either | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | how do I get to the view screen? | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | ah wait I see | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | the view screen has search labels all over it | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | Would some kind PB admin please close this RFE? It was upgraded to bug status | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9100 | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, did you read what I mentioned last night about hiding Extra Head Tags for style templates? | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | customDrawMethods are readonly | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | is there a way to make readonly's act like hiddens? | 21:18 |
@rizen | i didn't read what you said | 21:20 |
@rizen | how about just outputting a i18n string that says "none" | 21:20 |
@rizen | for style | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | That I can do | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | After I commit the 7.5 version, it would be a good idea if you reviewed that code. | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | It's a fairly large core change. | 21:22 |
@rizen | r u saying you don't trust yourself? you think you're going to break webgui again? | 21:24 |
@rizen | and why are you committing this to 7.5? | 21:24 |
@rizen | i thought this was an RFE? | 21:24 |
@rizen | was this to fix a bug? | 21:24 |
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+perlDreamer | yeah, it's a bug fix | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | and I do trust myself to write something that works | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | but I've had some fixes that you (and others) have wanted done in a different way | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | this is elnino's template extra head tags bug that we talked about yesterday | 21:49 |
@preaction | provided there's testing, i shouldn't see a problem with two different ways to fix a bug | 21:49 |
@preaction | API additions should be cleared with the big dawg though | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | this is UI level stuff, so no current tests yet | 21:51 |
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@preaction | you could test the definition maybe? i'm not trying to make more work for you, really | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | I don't mind writing tests :) | 21:53 |
@rizen | when we were talking yesterday it didn't seem to me that it was a bug | 21:54 |
@rizen | but rather something she wanted to have | 21:54 |
@rizen | and a misconception | 21:54 |
@rizen | she was using extra head tags when she should have been using headBlock | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | Well, in that case would you please move it from the bug board to the RFE board? | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | I mistakenly told her to file it as a bug | 21:57 |
@preaction | i would believe that a confusing UI (along with a useless UI element) would be a bug | 21:58 |
@rizen | here's my concern | 21:58 |
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@rizen | the books we've put out have it documented as is | 21:58 |
@rizen | whether we classify it as a bug or an RFE is not really as important as that | 21:59 |
@rizen | so i think the change should only go into 7.6 | 21:59 |
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+perlDreamer | 7.6 it is | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | unless there's more discussion or dissenting opinions | 22:07 |
@preaction | goes into 7.6 is fine | 22:07 |
@preaction | as long as we're not waiting for 7.7 | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'll run the last few manual tests under 7.5, then move the patch into 7.6, test again, then commit | 22:08 |
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@bopbop | hi dreamersgirl! | 22:59 |
dreamersgirl | hey! | 23:00 |
@bopbop | Happy Turkey day to your family | 23:00 |
dreamersgirl | gobble gobble | 23:01 |
dreamersgirl | same to you! | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need an all-girls WebGUI user group/channel | 23:01 |
dreamersgirl | ooh | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | not that y'all aren't welcome here | 23:01 |
dreamersgirl | but who'd keep you guys in line then? | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 23:01 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 23:02 |
dreamersgirl | bopbop: how's the postcard project coming? | 23:02 |
@bopbop | well, I think the teacher must be saving them all for later- my son keeps telling me he has only received four post cards | 23:03 |
@bopbop | but he says they haven't gotten any for a long time | 23:03 |
dreamersgirl | :( | 23:03 |
dreamersgirl | we sent three his way | 23:03 |
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@bopbop | they had a sub for a few weeks, and I think she was showing the kids right away, but the actual teacher is saving them- I'm sure there have been more than four | 23:03 |
@bopbop | he will be thrilled when he actually gets to see them, because he was very excited when I told him about who I had contacted | 23:04 |
dreamersgirl | the card said something about the 100th day of school. Maybe that's the day for it? | 23:05 |
@bopbop | yeah, the goal was 100 postcards by the 100th day of school | 23:06 |
@bopbop | so my guess is they'll do a big project w/ it when the time gets closer | 23:06 |
@bopbop | and all the postcards will be "revealed" | 23:06 |
dreamersgirl | you'll have to let us know | 23:07 |
@bopbop | I will, it should be a fun | 23:07 |
@bopbop | project for the kids | 23:07 |
@bopbop | and thank you for helping us out | 23:07 |
@bopbop | we really appreciate it | 23:07 |
dreamersgirl | hey, you're welcome | 23:08 |
dreamersgirl | it was a cool project | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | one of my favorite things about WebGUI is the community | 23:08 |
dreamersgirl | I thought about taking the postcard you sent us to the boys' school | 23:08 |
@bopbop | go for it | 23:08 |
dreamersgirl | maybe one of their teachers would like to do it | 23:08 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 23:08 |
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wgGuest88 | hi i need help | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | what problem are you having wgGuest88? | 23:23 |
wgGuest88 | when i use pagination and i go to another page, in the page lose all menu, shorcut, etc | 23:23 |
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+perlDreamer | wgGuest88, what kind of asset are you paginating? | 23:24 |
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wgGuest88 | i have a question about Cs | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | well, when you paginate a CS, you are no longer viewing the page that the CS was on. | 23:25 |
+perlDreamer | have you set the style template for the CS to be the same as for the page it is on? | 23:25 |
wgGuest88 | Hi perrlDreamer | 23:27 |
wgGuest88 | This is the situation | 23:27 |
wgGuest88 | I have a CS inside of page layout | 23:27 |
wgGuest88 | It work ok | 23:27 |
wgGuest88 | But | 23:27 |
wgGuest88 | When the CS have many post show the pagination | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | right | 23:28 |
wgGuest88 | But when i choose the page 2 all the assets disappear | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | that's right. When you choose page 2, WebGUI switches the view from the Page Layout, to only the CS | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | It will not paginate and leave you on the page where you started. | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | It goes down "into" the CS | 23:30 |
wgGuest88 | But, the CS have a style template the same like a page layout | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | and you don't see the style template elements on the page? | 23:38 |
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+perlDreamer | dionak, Do you happen to know if knowmad is around today? | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | I'm fixing his Thingy bug, and I have some questions | 23:52 |
dionak | he's gone until saturday | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | hm, okay. Thank you. | 23:52 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8681 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Change Form/Textareas getValueAsHtml method to translate newlines into breaktags | 00:21 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8682 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port Thingy newline display fix (Form/Textarea) | 00:21 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8683 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Site.pm DomainRecord.pm DomainName.pm MailServer.pm): separate object attachment field into two fields | 00:21 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8684 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): | 00:21 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Remove the headblock property from the Template Asset, and merge | 00:21 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: it into extra head tags. Style templates are not allowed to | 00:21 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: have extra head tags. | 00:21 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8685 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Site.pm DomainRecord.pm): bug fixes | 00:21 |
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miloidrr | Hi perlDreamer i have a question about CS | 00:56 |
miloidrr | I would like to make a dinamic Style Sheets whit a CS | 00:57 |
miloidrr | I have created a CS, and do it a sortcut of this | 01:00 |
miloidrr | Im calling the shorcut in the head tags with ^AssetProxy(); macro | 01:00 |
miloidrr | But it dont works because show the asset id too | 01:01 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: You around for a UI question? | 02:37 |
@rizen | certainly | 02:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'm looking at this bug: | 02:37 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9061 | 02:37 |
+perlDreamer | and thinking about a way to add an "Add data to this thing" link to each Thing in a Thingy | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | in the manage Things screen | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | all the other actions are icons | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | so... | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | 1) Is this bug really an RFE? | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | 2) If it's a bug what's the best way to make that link? | 02:39 |
@rizen | 1) how about we call it a halvsie and put it into 7.6 even though feature freeze is on | 02:42 |
@rizen | 2) can't you just generate the link the same way that the main page generates the link? | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | 1) you got it | 02:43 |
@rizen | 1.1) and while we're at it, go ahead and do the rfe's you just posted about the thingy | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | 2) in the main page, you only get 1 link, to the current active Thing | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | in the manage thing interface, I think he wants a link per thing displayed | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | I just don't want it to look ugly. | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | I did think about doing it with YUI buttons | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | but it would take longer | 02:44 |
@rizen | 2) what i'm saying is, there are pages that already generate all the links you want (just not on the pages you want them on), so just copy the code from each individual page that has the links and put it on the pages you want it on | 02:45 |
@rizen | 2) as far as it taking a while, you're on my dime, implement this in whatever you feel is the "right" way rather than that fast way | 02:45 |
@rizen | that is unless the fast way is also the right way | 02:46 |
@rizen | 2) fair enough? | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | muy :) | 02:46 |
@rizen | 1.1) deal? | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | deal | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | and all this goes into 7.6 only | 02:46 |
@rizen | yup | 02:46 |
Lisette | how to do to print code html in a paydriver? | 02:46 |
@rizen | i really don't want to put anything that's even borderline into 7.5 at this point | 02:47 |
@rizen | because we're getting close to the end of life of 7.5 | 02:47 |
@rizen | i want it to be rock solid | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | It's january, right? | 02:47 |
@rizen | yeah | 02:47 |
@rizen | but with all the holidays in there, that's really only a few weeks away | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | I keep looking at how long the bug list is | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | then I realize that most of them are Bazaar and Helpdesk | 02:47 |
@rizen | i'll take care of the bazaar ones next week | 02:48 |
@rizen | helpdesk is supposedly being worked on by frank and graham | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try to concentrate on buggier bugs for priority after this one. | 02:48 |
@rizen | also, frank's looking through resumes to pick up another contractor or two to help with bugs | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | I'm sorry they're not getting closed faster. | 02:49 |
@rizen | there's a lot there man | 02:50 |
@rizen | we already hired two other contractors | 02:50 |
@rizen | but one of them petered out | 02:50 |
@rizen | and the other one we decided to put on another project cuz we're so damn busy | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | it's a good problem to have in this economy, rizen | 02:51 |
@rizen | my entire staff is at 100% capacity, and we have 3 contractors working nearly full time | 02:51 |
@rizen | i take that back, we have 5 contractors working nearly full time | 02:51 |
@rizen | plus you | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 02:51 |
@rizen | i'm scared for what the economy will bring in january | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | you think it's going to crash? | 02:52 |
@rizen | after the retail numbers come in the first six months of next year are going to be the worst it's been so far | 02:52 |
@rizen | that's my prediction | 02:53 |
@rizen | that's also why i'm using a lot of contractor labor right now...don't want to hire someone only to lay them off shortly there after | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | that's very thoughtful of you | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like not laying somebody off after handing out the Christmas invitations | 02:54 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8689 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (Automat/Customer.pm WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm): bug fixes | 03:20 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8690 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (4 files): some extra utilities | 03:20 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8691 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist: removing obsolete UserList branch | 03:20 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8692 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Task.pm DomainName.pm): bug fixes | 03:20 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8693 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/Task.pm: forgot limit | 03:20 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen, is Thingy supposed to cross index on keys or values? | 04:20 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8694 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.35/templates_thingy-default.wgpkg: internationalize a thingy template | 04:25 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: are you familiar wih the Thingy? | 04:36 |
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@rizen | perlDreamer: what are you asking? | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | I made a Thing with a field | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | I gave the field 3 values, IT, HR and PHB | 04:42 |
@rizen | like a select list? | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | then I added 4 employees, and assigned them each a department (from the list above) | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 04:42 |
@rizen | ok | 04:43 |
+perlDreamer | then in another thing, I said, Use that department list from the first thing | 04:43 |
+perlDreamer | and it gives me 4 values | 04:43 |
+perlDreamer | not the three that I specified | 04:43 |
@rizen | it's doing the right thing | 04:43 |
@rizen | what you should have done was created a "Department" thing and a "Person" thing | 04:43 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 04:44 |
@rizen | to do what you are trying to do | 04:44 |
@rizen | You typically want to link two things together on something unique like name | 04:44 |
@rizen | although we may need to think about other ways of linking in the future | 04:44 |
+perlDreamer | Okay, I'll try building it that way. | 04:48 |
nuba | i know theres the thinking of 'even grandma should be able to use webgui' | 04:51 |
nuba | but maybe it would help having some elemetary DB design theory shipped with thingy | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | it would help if Thingy was not a large piece of crap | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | it's not fully i18n'ed | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | the hover help is either wrong or missing | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | it's difficult to use | 04:52 |
nuba | if people would at least work on drawing some half-decent entity-relationship diagrams | 04:52 |
nuba | they would do the work only once on thingy | 04:53 |
@rizen | nuba, how would that work? | 04:53 |
@rizen | thingy creates new tables on the fly | 04:53 |
@rizen | each "thing" in a thingy is a table | 04:53 |
nuba | im talking about introducing some concepts of DB in thingy's documentation | 04:54 |
@rizen | no you just said entity relationship diagrams | 04:54 |
nuba | somehow leading people to think of things as entities | 04:54 |
nuba | im not talking about drawing them on webgui | 04:54 |
@rizen | i didn't think you were | 04:54 |
nuba | i mean pencil and paper | 04:55 |
@rizen | i thought you were talking about ERDs as documentation | 04:55 |
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nuba | no, more like teaching people to think a bit about entities and relationships in the documentation | 04:55 |
@rizen | Thingy needs some work, but i don't think introducing database terminology is the way to go...i'm thinking using spreadsheet terminology | 04:55 |
@rizen | more people use and understand spreadsheets | 04:56 |
nuba | yeah. well, it seems perlDreamer thought of three spreadsheets up there | 04:57 |
nuba | and it didnt work really well :) | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, and perlDreamer kind of understands db's as well | 04:57 |
@rizen | i'd hereby like you both to s*** t** f*** u* | 04:58 |
nuba | i think he did whats called horizontal partitioning of an entity | 04:58 |
nuba | oops. okey dokey | 04:59 |
@rizen | feel free to keep talking, i was just kidding | 04:59 |
@rizen | however, i'm going to stop contributing to this conversation, cuz i have to make some dinner | 05:00 |
@rizen | bbl | 05:00 |
nuba | l8r | 05:00 |
nuba | i just found that today: http://www.presicient.com/classdoc/ | 05:00 |
nuba | mentioned at http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=633549 | 05:00 |
nuba | for generating nice documentation | 05:01 |
nuba | trying to find something to output UML diagrams out of webgui | 05:01 |
nuba | to make getting a good big-picture view of the codebase easier | 05:02 |
nuba | actually, its 'out of webgui code', not out of webgui | 05:02 |
nuba | theres UML::Class::Simple which outputs things like http://perlcabal.org/agent/images/ppi_big.png | 05:03 |
nuba | but its ugly | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | nuba, do you have a copy of 7.5 out of SVN handy? | 05:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8695 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 05:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Internationalize a Thingy template | 05:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add a link from the manage screen back to the default view. | 05:08 |
nuba | yeah | 05:10 |
nuba | i mean, i've synced my local svk repo with pb's | 05:11 |
nuba | i have here everything that happened since 7.6.0 was released | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | I think I've found a bug in 7.5.35, which isn't released yet. | 05:14 |
nuba | oh, oops, not really, sorry. im mirroring only /plainblack/WebGUI | 05:15 |
nuba | not the branches | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | okay, thanks anyway | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | I'll be right back | 05:16 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8696 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/DomainName.pm: make sure that fully qualified CNAME's end in . | 06:05 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8697 /experimental/Automat/sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl: better messages | 06:05 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8698 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: better dns help for users | 06:32 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8699 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: better formatting | 06:32 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8700 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: Added delete confirmation messages. | 07:18 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8701 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (12 files in 5 dirs): | 10:19 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Improved Flux::Operator handling of undefined values | 10:19 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Made Asset/Flux integration let Admin always view/edit assets | 10:19 |
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Lisette | how to do to print code HTML from a paydriver | 18:38 |
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Lisette | anyone know how to do to print code HTML from a paydriver | 20:57 |
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Bernd_ | Not much going on today. | 21:21 |
Bernd_ | Where are all the people? | 21:22 |
@rizen | it's Thanksgiving in the US | 21:22 |
@rizen | which is a national holiday | 21:22 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8702 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 21:23 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: bug fixes | 21:23 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: added domain search | 21:23 |
Bernd_ | Ah! And that is why you are at work? | 21:23 |
Bernd_ | No one disturbing... | 21:23 |
Bernd_ | Everything calm... | 21:23 |
Bernd_ | Deadline tomorrow? | 21:23 |
nuba | have a good thanksgiving! | 21:24 |
@rizen | i'm actually at home, but working | 21:25 |
Bernd_ | You, too! | 21:25 |
@rizen | trying to finish up a project | 21:25 |
Bernd_ | Although we do not celebrate Thanksgiving in Germany. | 21:25 |
Bernd_ | I believe it is overestimated :-) | 21:25 |
Bernd_ | rizen, is that the burden of running a company? | 21:25 |
@rizen | Thanksgiving is very much an American tradition, so no wonder you don't celebrate it. | 21:26 |
@rizen | it is one of many burdens of running a company...but i wouldn't trade it | 21:26 |
Bernd_ | That is not entirely true. | 21:26 |
Bernd_ | We do have "Erntedankfest" as well. | 21:26 |
Bernd_ | It is just not that important. | 21:26 |
Bernd_ | More a religious thing. | 21:27 |
Bernd_ | Not that much of a family day. | 21:27 |
Bernd_ | rizen, does that mean you would recommend to run your own company? | 21:28 |
Bernd_ | Lots of freedom? | 21:28 |
Bernd_ | Like working on Thanksgiving whenever you want ;-) | 21:28 |
Bernd_ | I apologize. I am being mean. | 21:28 |
Bernd_ | I hope you are still motivated and in a good mood, | 21:28 |
@rizen | think of it this way, running your own company means that it is in your hands whether you succeed or fail | 21:29 |
@rizen | it's not that you have so much freedom | 21:29 |
Bernd_ | But does it not take too much of your time? | 21:29 |
@rizen | it's just that you control your destiny | 21:29 |
Bernd_ | I mean, when do you live? | 21:29 |
@rizen | oh it takes a tone of time | 21:29 |
Bernd_ | When is the time to enjoy? | 21:29 |
nuba | heh | 21:29 |
@rizen | ton | 21:29 |
@rizen | running this company *is* living | 21:30 |
nuba | i suppose he's kinda alive right now | 21:30 |
@rizen | because it is creating something | 21:30 |
Bernd_ | That's good thinking. | 21:30 |
Bernd_ | Sounds like a lot of enthusiasm. | 21:30 |
@rizen | but i still take time to do fun stuff. canoeing, playing games, watching movies, going out to eat, taking walks, etc | 21:30 |
Bernd_ | And I could not agree more: WebGUI is something. | 21:31 |
Bernd_ | I think you can be proud of it. | 21:31 |
Bernd_ | Just not Thanksgiving :-) | 21:31 |
@rizen | i'm always proud of it, but never happy with it | 21:31 |
@rizen | that's what keeps me working on it | 21:31 |
Bernd_ | Good for us. | 21:31 |
Bernd_ | So enjoy finishing your project. | 21:32 |
@rizen | lucky for me, it's finished | 21:32 |
Bernd_ | Is it ok for you if I opt not to work on WebGUI on Thanksgiving? | 21:32 |
@rizen | that's the commit that just went by | 21:32 |
@rizen | hehe | 21:32 |
@rizen | yeah...go have a beer or something | 21:32 |
Bernd_ | Happy Thanksgiving then! | 21:32 |
@rizen | that's what i'm about to do | 21:32 |
@rizen | happy thanksgiving | 21:32 |
Bernd_ | We are going to watch a movie. | 21:32 |
Bernd_ | Can't leave the house with my daughter sleeping. | 21:32 |
Bernd_ | Enjoy your beer! | 21:33 |
nuba | Bernd_: what do you call the 9am-to-5pm hours? | 21:33 |
Bernd_ | That is only after 6 p.m., of course! | 21:33 |
nuba | zombie time? | 21:33 |
Bernd_ | nuba, we actually call "nine to five" as well. | 21:33 |
Bernd_ | There is no German equivalent. | 21:34 |
Bernd_ | But why call it zombie time? | 21:34 |
nuba | non-alive | 21:34 |
nuba | :D | 21:34 |
Bernd_ | Oh, I see. | 21:34 |
Bernd_ | You seem to be happy with your job :_) | 21:34 |
Bernd_ | Well, going to quit for today. | 21:35 |
nuba | hah no, its youve implied theres only life in the afterhours | 21:35 |
Bernd_ | Let us continue that discussion tomorrow. | 21:35 |
nuba | im self employed right now, no 9-to-5 schedule | 21:35 |
Bernd_ | My wife is waiting. | 21:35 |
Bernd_ | Good night! | 21:36 |
nuba | have lively fun | 21:36 |
Bernd_ | :-) | 21:36 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8703 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/DomainName.pm: serial number no longer relevant | 22:01 |
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BartJol | perlbot: why is it so quiet? | 23:18 |
perlbot | I already have an entry for why | 23:18 |
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davef | Stupid question... Changed my admin password and now I cannot see the "New Content" panel on the side and the edit/copy/x icons are missing | 06:00 |
+Radix-wrk | you logged out/logged in since? | 06:11 |
davef | yes and rebooted | 06:22 |
davef | checked logs and didn't see anything unusual | 06:24 |
+Radix-wrk | So you can still log in, and turn admin on? | 06:25 |
davef | yes | 06:25 |
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+Radix-wrk | wierd... forced a hard refresh of your browser? | 06:25 |
+Radix-wrk | cleared cache, etc? | 06:26 |
davef | IE/Firefox and another location all together | 06:26 |
+Radix-wrk | Is Spectre running? | 06:26 |
davef | yes | 06:26 |
davef | 0 workflows 0 shed tasks | 06:27 |
+Radix-wrk | Can you see the asset manager? | 06:28 |
davef | you can logon if you like, just a dummy site and will be moved | 06:28 |
+Radix-wrk | sure - pm me the details and I'll take a look | 06:28 |
+Radix-wrk | sounds really odd tho | 06:29 |
davef | 216.211.70.172 | 06:29 |
davef | pass default | 06:29 |
+Radix-wrk | Hmm.. turn admin on and log out are overlaid over the top of each other on this site for me | 06:31 |
+Radix-wrk | http://216.211.70.172/home?op=switchOnAdmin works.. though new content is empty | 06:31 |
davef | when I created the site i made 2 users | 06:31 |
davef | gave both admin | 06:32 |
davef | this is what i was getting, so i was using admin. | 06:32 |
+Radix-wrk | check your webgui.conf file for this site.. perhaps it's been trashed somehow? | 06:32 |
davef | should it be in /data/webgui/etc/ | 06:35 |
davef | there is a webgui.conf.original | 06:36 |
davef | and a bigbang.conf | 06:37 |
davef | something else I noticed was the login history times are out of wack | 06:38 |
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+Radix-wrk | davef, could you post the contents of the bigbang.conf file to the webgui pastebin above and give us the link? | 06:44 |
davef | done | 06:45 |
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davef | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m61547796 | 06:47 |
+Radix-wrk | seems in order.. hmm | 06:50 |
+Radix-wrk | you might have to ask rizen_ or wait for one of the other PB guys to get online to help.. I'm afraid it's boggled me | 06:51 |
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davef | nice to hear :) | 06:51 |
+Radix-wrk | you sure the permissions are set correctly for all of the /data dir? | 06:51 |
@rizen | was there a question that went with the paste? | 06:52 |
+Radix-wrk | Yeah, he's getting nothing in 'New Content' bar when he switches to admin + admin on | 06:52 |
+Radix-wrk | site at: 216.211.70.172 | 06:52 |
+Radix-wrk | login with admin/123qwe | 06:53 |
+Radix-wrk | no edit/copy/cut/etc either | 06:53 |
davef | just changing permissions to 777 on that folder | 06:53 |
@rizen | what version are you running | 06:54 |
@rizen | ah, 7.5 | 06:54 |
+Radix-wrk | sion:7.5.33-stable | 06:54 |
+Radix-wrk | davef: what's coming up in the webgui.log file? | 06:55 |
@rizen | there's a hell of a lot wrong with that site | 06:56 |
davef | it's a 11mb log... | 06:56 |
@rizen | no toolbar icons, no context menu's, no new content | 06:56 |
@rizen | davef do this | 06:56 |
@rizen | turn admin off | 06:56 |
@rizen | type: | 06:56 |
@rizen | tail -f /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log | 06:57 |
@rizen | click "turn admin on" | 06:57 |
@rizen | and see what entries are added | 06:57 |
@rizen | just by turning admin on | 06:57 |
davef | k give me a sec | 06:57 |
davef | 2008/11/27 22:37:04 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site BigBang.conf at http://BigBang:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 Can't connect to BigBang:80 (Bad hostname 'BigBang') | 07:00 |
davef | 2008/11/27 22:39:57 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site BigBang.conf at http://BigBang:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 Can't connect to BigBang:80 (Bad hostname 'BigBang') | 07:00 |
+Radix-wrk | no spectre then | 07:00 |
+Radix-wrk | I'd add bigbang to your 127.0.0.1 entry in the /etc/hosts file | 07:01 |
davef | just saw that | 07:01 |
@rizen | not having a working spectre is a problem of the "other" | 07:01 |
davef | spectre page now showing status | 07:04 |
davef | hosts updated | 07:04 |
davef | might have to stop/start network to refresh | 07:06 |
@rizen | i've never seen a problem like this | 07:08 |
@rizen | everything appears to be in order | 07:08 |
davef | Might be easier to do a redo... | 07:09 |
davef | I'm on Centos 5.2 if that makes a difference? | 07:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8704 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns/ (t/001_basic.t Changes): Changed a test that requires a network to skip if a network is not available. | 07:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8705 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Add POD and Plain Black legal notice. | 07:09 |
@rizen | it's almost like you have a ui level problem | 07:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8706 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.t Survey/SurveyJSON.t Survey/SurveyResponse.t Survey): | 07:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Build Survey2 tests. Each survey2 module has at least a basic | 07:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: load test, and the SurveyJSON module has many more tests in | 07:10 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: it, testing new, log, newSection, newQuestion, newAnswer and | 07:10 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: newObject. | 07:10 |
davef | even before i changed the theme the 2 users could not edit | 07:10 |
davef | I did a complete update of the server before installing | 07:11 |
@rizen | centos has nothing to do with it, that's what we build the WRE on and it works fine | 07:11 |
davef | This is not a production server and was made just for this. | 07:11 |
@rizen | and we deploy out to RHEL 5 | 07:11 |
davef | ah | 07:11 |
davef | Well thanks for the help and I will try a reinstall | 07:13 |
@rizen | this is a fresh install? | 07:13 |
@rizen | is it using the WRE? | 07:13 |
davef | yup | 07:13 |
davef | yup | 07:13 |
@rizen | did you do an "automatic" or "manual" install of WebGUI? | 07:13 |
@rizen | during the wre setup | 07:13 |
davef | manual | 07:14 |
@rizen | any reason for that? | 07:14 |
davef | not sure | 07:14 |
davef | try automatic? | 07:14 |
@rizen | i think so | 07:14 |
davef | worth a shot | 07:14 |
@rizen | i really can't see a reason for this problem | 07:14 |
@rizen | except if somehow the install got borked | 07:15 |
davef | checked though the forums for this problem | 07:15 |
davef | and nobody else has | 07:15 |
davef | just me .... :) | 07:15 |
@rizen | yeah, like i said, i've never seen this before, and i've seen literally *everything* | 07:15 |
+Radix-wrk | yeah, I've never seen it before either | 07:15 |
+Radix-wrk | rizen would be the one to see it if it's possible :) | 07:15 |
davef | thanks again for the help and I will try the automatic next time | 07:16 |
@rizen | sorry we couldn't be more help | 07:16 |
davef | no problem | 07:16 |
davef | night | 07:16 |
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+MrHairgrease | question: how do I instanciate an asset that is still under a version tag and has no previous revisions? | 17:30 |
+MrHairgrease | newByDynamicClass doesn't do it | 17:30 |
+MrHairgrease | which is due to new calling getCurrentRevisionDate | 17:30 |
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juan | I have updated my WebGUI from 7.4.40 to 7.5.34 and i have a problem with the data. when i see the site without edit, the acents are ok but when i try to edit something all the acents are with strange characters | 17:45 |
juan | all now is in utf8 | 17:46 |
BartJol | can you give an example? | 17:46 |
juan | yes | 17:46 |
juan | http://www.televida.org.co/home/admin-contenido/articulos/podemos-influir-en-los-medios-de-comunicacin | 17:48 |
juan | in this page for example all the acents are ok | 17:48 |
juan | but when i try to edit it all are bad | 17:49 |
+MrHairgrease | prolly a charset problem in some template that is being used while editing | 17:49 |
BartJol | yeah | 17:50 |
+MrHairgrease | wile you are in edit mode | 17:50 |
+MrHairgrease | right click and select Page info | 17:50 |
+MrHairgrease | that will show you what encoding the page is in | 17:50 |
+MrHairgrease | at least in ff | 17:50 |
juan | yes only occurs when i am in editing mode | 17:50 |
+MrHairgrease | i know, you just told me | 17:51 |
+MrHairgrease | what i meant is: check the character encoding when you are in edit mode | 17:51 |
+MrHairgrease | b/c that's probably what's messed up | 17:51 |
juan | ok | 17:51 |
BartJol | his mind isn't as greasy as his hair | 17:52 |
+MrHairgrease | very true | 17:52 |
+MrHairgrease | but it is as beautiful | 17:52 |
BartJol | I wouldn't make any statements about that | 17:52 |
juan | in editing mode the page is encoding in utf8 | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | and what is it when not in editing mode | 17:55 |
juan | in utf8 too | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | then i dunno what your problem | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | is | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe it has | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | to do with some repairs that were done on the db's | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | you'll have to check the gotchas and changelog to see when that was done | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | or ask Haarg | 17:59 |
BartJol | tinymce also has an character set defined separately, but also utf-8 | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | oh really? | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | then maybe that's what is borked | 18:00 |
BartJol | looks that way, it's a iframe | 18:00 |
juan | how check that? | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | dunno | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe bart knows | 18:01 |
BartJol | I checked it with firebug | 18:01 |
BartJol | the tinymce has it's own iframe with a head section that defines a charset | 18:02 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:02 |
+MrHairgrease | i just saw it] | 18:02 |
juan | ok | 18:03 |
juan | i am going to check | 18:03 |
juan | i don't see anything related to tinymce | 18:12 |
juan | in the head | 18:12 |
BartJol | no | 18:12 |
BartJol | that's correct | 18:13 |
BartJol | you have firebug? | 18:13 |
juan | yes | 18:13 |
BartJol | ok, click on inspect | 18:13 |
juan | yes | 18:13 |
BartJol | or inspect element | 18:13 |
BartJol | inspect the rich editor box | 18:14 |
juan | ok | 18:14 |
BartJol | then you should be able to see an iframe if you select html | 18:15 |
BartJol | it has quite some elements, so take your time | 18:15 |
BartJol | that iframe has it's own head | 18:15 |
BartJol | it's id seems to be description_formId_ifr | 18:16 |
BartJol | but I'm not sure whether that is always the case | 18:17 |
BartJol | dis you find the ifram juan? | 18:17 |
juan | i forget to tell you something before, when i edit the thread only the title and summary have errors | 18:18 |
juan | the body is ok | 18:18 |
BartJol | grrr | 18:18 |
BartJol | ok | 18:18 |
BartJol | I'm not sure whether that allows every character | 18:19 |
BartJol | you also didn't tell it was a thread | 18:20 |
juan | in the articles too | 18:24 |
BartJol | ok | 18:24 |
+MrHairgrease | juan | 18:25 |
+MrHairgrease | try to reproduce on the demo server | 18:25 |
+MrHairgrease | if you can replicate it there, post a bug report | 18:25 |
+MrHairgrease | be sure to add the steps to reproduce | 18:25 |
juan | ok | 18:26 |
juan | the iframe is content_formId_ifr | 18:26 |
juan | not description | 18:26 |
BartJol | well, that would be dependant on the place were the rich editor is placed prolly | 18:27 |
juan | ok | 18:28 |
+MrHairgrease | description is a textarea but tinymce hides that and adds an iframe which contains the editor you see | 18:29 |
+MrHairgrease | on form submission the contens of that editor are synced to the textarea | 18:29 |
juan | i am going to test in the demo server | 18:32 |
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Lisette | how to do to redirect to another page from a paydriver? | 19:20 |
juan | i have problems with acents in text area and input type text | 19:38 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r8707 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (ResponseJSON.t SurveyResponse.t): rename test | 19:52 |
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+perlDreamer | Happy thanksgiving +1, preaction | 22:26 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: happy thanksgiving indeed! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7243635165296806436&ei=qEouSc_bNZLu-gHftrDtDQ&q=alices+restaurant&emb=1 | 22:26 |
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+perlDreamer | That's funny. Thanks for sharing, dude. | 22:39 |
@preaction | it's thanksgiving tradition! | 22:39 |
@preaction | you've never heard of Alice's Restaurant before? | 22:40 |
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+perlDreamer | Nope | 22:43 |
nuba | ive heard of her's wonderland, tho | 22:47 |
nuba | its messy | 22:47 |
+perlDreamer | gotta, scoot. We're heading to the big city for a concert. | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | Catch y'all later | 22:48 |
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SDuensin | Afternoon. | 23:37 |
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CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r8708 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 07:55 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: Add tests for insertObject, and a helper method for summarizing the SurveyJSON data structure. | 07:55 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: Add POD for insertObject. Note that splicing beyond the end of the array will generate | 07:55 |
CIA-39 | WebGUI: a warning. | 07:55 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8709 /translations/Polish/Polish/ (23 files): Update from translation server | 16:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8710 /translations/Polish/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 16:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8711 /translations/Polish/Polish/ (5 files): Update from translation server | 17:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8712 /translations/Polish/Polish/ (6 files): Update from translation server | 17:06 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8713 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 19:38 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Test abusing references in getObject. | 19:38 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: More insertObject testing. | 19:38 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: More POD. | 19:38 |
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+perlDreamer | wow | 05:23 |
+perlDreamer | holiday weekend | 05:23 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8714 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 06:53 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add more POD to SurveyJSON. | 06:53 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add some basic tests for getObject, update and remove. | 06:53 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8715 /experimental/ (7 files in 6 dirs): the start of a webgui virtual file system | 11:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8716 /branch/yung-thingy-rfe: Creating a branch to work on thingy RFEs | 11:49 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8718 /experimental/wgfs/ (lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t): | 21:03 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: added stat() | 21:03 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: added a lot more tests | 21:03 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: fixed a few bugs | 21:03 |
@rizen | preaction, the Filesys::Virtual::WebGUI module is complete, we should now be able to tie that into your coolio dav modules | 22:03 |
@preaction | nice | 22:03 |
@rizen | complete with 81 tests | 22:04 |
@rizen | but no integration into the asset system yet..so you have to set things up "just right" because the system doesn't know how to manage stuff yet | 22:05 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8719 /experimental/wgfs/ (lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t): better calculation of mode for stat() | 22:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8720 /experimental/wgfs/lib/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added doug's dav stuff | 22:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8721 /experimental/wgfs/t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t: bug fix | 22:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8722 /experimental/wgfs/ (sbin/ftpserver.pl sbin): added ftp server, but it doesn't work..not sure why yet | 22:08 |
diakopter | POD incorrect for www_duplicateThing | 22:47 |
@rizen | diakopter: report a bug | 22:47 |
diakopter | bugbot: { "add": { "bug": { "version":"SVNHEAD", "report":"POD incorrect for www_duplicateThing", "product":"WebGUI" } } } | 22:51 |
@rizen | don't make me hurt you | 22:51 |
diakopter | it was a lighthearted suggestion/wish :P | 22:53 |
@rizen | i'm sending a heavy handed assassin to your house to kill you with your light hearted suggestion | 22:55 |
@rizen | you are so lucky | 22:59 |
@rizen | you are *so* lucky | 22:59 |
@rizen | i just happen to be all out of heavy handed assassins | 22:59 |
@rizen | =) | 22:59 |
@rizen | =) | 22:59 |
BartJol | rizen: need for a big dutch guy? | 23:00 |
@rizen | that depends, do you want to go to kansas, or texas, or wherever diakopter lives these days? | 23:11 |
BartJol | well, if you pay me | 23:13 |
BartJol | and if I'm caught I don't wanna go to an american prison | 23:13 |
@rizen | we don't send people to american prisons anymore | 23:14 |
@rizen | didn't you hear? we only send people to illegal foreign prisons now | 23:14 |
BartJol | ah, dutch prison seems a vacation camp in comparison prolly | 23:15 |
@rizen | maybe we could send you to a norwegian prison. i here there the maximum sentence is 6 years (even for murder), and there's no lockup, they just send you to an island | 23:16 |
BartJol | that sounds reasonable | 23:17 |
BartJol | any prferences for murder weapon? | 23:17 |
SDuensin | Can someone give me the 2 cent description of the purpose of the "Shelf" asset? | 23:17 |
BartJol | product are on it | 23:18 |
@rizen | i only have a $0.25 version | 23:18 |
* SDuensin will take it, rizen | 23:18 | |
SDuensin | How do I get a product into it? | 23:18 |
@rizen | ok, but you owe my a quarter | 23:18 |
BartJol | the typ-o is included | 23:18 |
SDuensin | Sure thing. :-P | 23:18 |
@rizen | shelf is like a folder for skus | 23:18 |
SDuensin | (And, yes, I read the wiki. It says: "Shelf-") | 23:19 |
BartJol | if you have a batch, you can import them from a cvs file | 23:19 |
@rizen | view the shelf and then add skus below it | 23:19 |
@rizen | hierarchically in the asset tree | 23:19 |
@rizen | OR | 23:19 |
@rizen | the cooler way to add products to the shelf | 23:19 |
@rizen | is to create a bunch of skus and assign keywords to them (create them all over your site) | 23:19 |
@rizen | then add keywords to the shelf | 23:20 |
@rizen | any keywords that match, will show up in the shelf | 23:20 |
SDuensin | That sounds like exactly what I need. :-) | 23:20 |
SDuensin | So how do I tell the shelf which keywords to import? | 23:32 |
@rizen | the keywords field | 23:33 |
@rizen | just like all the other assets | 23:33 |
SDuensin | Stop making sense. :-P | 23:33 |
SDuensin | So with the keywords, I can create all my products on another page that's not linked into the menu system and then select what I want shown on shelves elsewhere in the site. Yes? | 23:35 |
@rizen | indeed | 23:35 |
SDuensin | This is psycho powerful. I'm happy. | 23:36 |
@rizen | of course you're happy, you're webgui's biggest fanboi | 23:36 |
SDuensin | Hell yes I am. | 23:38 |
SDuensin | I like it more than you do. | 23:38 |
@rizen | i don't like webgui at all | 23:38 |
SDuensin | I can understand that. I'll probably join you by Friday. :-) | 23:38 |
@rizen | i'm proud of it, but i'm never happy with it | 23:39 |
@rizen | which is why i keep working on it =) | 23:39 |
SDuensin | That's all developers, isn't it? (Except EA who just shipped a PS3 game that can drop to 5 frames a second.) | 23:39 |
@rizen | i spent all weekend writing this new virtual filesystem for webgui, so you can mount it as a shared drive, and the driver works, but i can't plug it into anything...i must be stoopid | 23:40 |
SDuensin | I've dreamed of that since I found 5.x. FIX IT! :-) | 23:41 |
@rizen | lick scrote buddy, i don't see you over here spending 30 hours over thanksgiving weekend trying to make this work | 23:42 |
@rizen | i think it's preactions fault | 23:43 |
@rizen | he wrote the dav handler thing | 23:43 |
@rizen | it's got to be that which is broken | 23:43 |
@rizen | right? | 23:43 |
SDuensin | I spent my time over turkey break using your shit. Building sites! | 23:44 |
SDuensin | And I offered to write your dav thing. So Nyyyya! | 23:44 |
@rizen | you did? | 23:44 |
@rizen | oh that's right | 23:44 |
@rizen | you did | 23:44 |
@rizen | so get on it | 23:44 |
@rizen | where you at beyotch | 23:44 |
SDuensin | Put it on my list to do for tomorrow. :-) | 23:45 |
@rizen | i can't, you have more important stuff to do tomorrow | 23:45 |
SDuensin | See? So quit whining. :-P | 23:46 |
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