WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-11.log

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elninoI have two sites on a single installation of webgui. Any idea why captcha would appear in one and not the other? I thought maybe it was my site design, but "verify your humanity" isn't seen in the underlying html...04:03
elninooh. the versions are stuck..04:05
elninohmm. well, that's not true really. THose are from 9/2204:11
elninoI made the changes today and those version tags went thru correctly as far as I can tell.04:11
elninoIt's funny. I don't see the captcha, but when I submit the form, it says that it was entered incorrectly. even though there is no html code for the captcha field on the page.04:24
elninoI even tried makeing a package of the form that has the captcha and tried importing it into my other site, and it wouldn't import. This site must be hosted. but I'm not getting any error messages. Im watching webgui.log with tail -f04:55
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elninohi I have two sites ona single installation of webgui. Site A has captcha, site B doesn't not. But Site B has it configured. I thought maybe there was a flaw in the deisgn, but there is nothing in the html showing that it's there.  05:37
elninowhen I submit the form, it complains that I didn't enter the right word for captcha. 05:38
elninoI even tried making a package from site A and importing it to site b, and I couldn't even import the package.. and there were no errors in webgui.log . 05:38
elninoHelp? Any ideas what to look at?05:38
elninoI have 7.5.2405:39
elninoboth sites areon the same ip address. does that have anything to do with it?05:40
elninoI see that captcha uses scratch variables.05:41
@Haargcaptcha on what?05:41
elninoa data form asset05:41
elninoI'm even makeing sure that i'm a visitor. Cause I know it doesn't display if I'm a registered user.05:44
elninoI'm sure it's somethign dumb, but it's got me stumped.05:44
elninobtw, what is the default time that queued emails are sent?05:51
elninonever mind, found it in scheduler.05:51
@Haarghave you checked the template?05:54
@Haargthe captcha is a separate template variable05:54
elninowell. both are using the smae template by name, but I didn't look at the actuall code. Good idea. Letme look.05:55
elninoyou got it!  Thanks! I'll have to remember that!05:59
elninoThanks Haarg - I'm now going to sleep well. 06:01
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CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8232 /translations/German/German/Asset_SQLReport.pm: Update from translation server03:16
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knowmadIs anyone tuned in today?22:16
knowmadThat's pretty much what i figured for a Sunday...22:17
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@Haargi'm around for a little22:36
knowmadhey haarg, you still around?22:52
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elninohey! recently discovered the style wizard thingy...  Is there a way to setup some different layouts for the wizard? - didi I miss that chapter in th edeveloper's book?07:50
elninoThe other question I have is, can I setup multiple roots, each being a different subdomain? - is that a redirect in the modproxy?07:55
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@perlmonkey2Anyone else notice that the RFE 'submitted by' sort doesn't really work?17:25
BartJo1perlmonkey2: seems you're right17:27
@perlmonkey2probably sorting on id or something.17:28
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BartJo1prolly17:33
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SDuensinGreetings.17:34
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BartJo1hi17:34
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@perlmonkey2If you remove an activity from a site config file, that activity will no longer be ran when the workflow is, right?  And when the site is upgraded, that activity won't be magically readded?17:58
BartJo1no, I think not17:58
BartJo1the new config isn't copied over the old one17:59
BartJo1but if it's called you will get errors in your llog I think17:59
BartJo1if it's included in the hourly18:00
BartJo1or something like that18:00
BartJo1can't you remove it from the workflow?18:00
BartJo1then, you don't have to disable it18:01
BartJo1sounds like a kill -9 where a kill works too18:01
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@rizenperlmonkey2: the listing in the config is only for the workflow activities available to be added to workflows18:54
@rizenremoving it from the config will NOT stop it from being run18:54
@rizenyou actually have to remove it from any workflows it's part of to do that18:54
@perlmonkey2rizen: okay, that makes a lot more sense.18:56
+perlDreamerwow18:57
+perlDreamerknowmad has a good headshot18:57
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8233 /branch/frank: WebGUI branch for frank to develop WebGUI features to be added to WebGUI once they've been tested18:59
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8234 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Ticket.pm Wobject/HelpDesk.pm): HelpDesk assets and Tickets can now be properly purged from WebGUI18:59
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8235 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm: Fixed a grammar error in an error messaage18:59
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@rizenperlDreamer: i know you asked for 1000 pictures. here's a start: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=66383&id=565308834&ref=share19:39
@rizensomebody else's pics19:39
@rizeni'll post mine this week sometime19:39
SDuensinHey rizen 19:39
@rizenhey sd19:40
SDuensinWebGUI needs to do SMTP/IMAP.  I hate setting up mail servers.  19:41
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8236 /branch/frank/lib/WebGUI/ (15 files in 6 dirs): initial commit19:41
@rizenyou mean it needs to be an SMTP server?19:41
@rizenrather than use an SMTP server?19:42
SDuensinI mean it needs to be everything I need in one nice box.19:42
SDuensinYep.  Part of my "Project Lazy".19:42
SDuensinSeriously.  At this point, I think it'd be easier to write my own mail server than learn to configure one.  :-)19:42
@rizenno it wouldn't SD19:43
@rizeni guarantee you tha19:43
@rizenthat19:44
@rizenif you don't want to configure one, you should just host with PB19:44
SDuensinSays you.  Written one before.  Wasn't that hard.  19:44
@rizenwe provide all that for you19:44
SDuensinPB won't do all the psycho stuff I want to do.19:44
@rizenwriting one that handles everything that it needs to handle, isn't easy19:44
SDuensinAh, but see, that's the catch!  It only needs to handle what *I* want.  :-)19:44
@rizensure just doing straight routing isn't that hard, but there are about 1000 RFC's you need to implement to be a real SMTP server19:44
SDuensinYea, yea, yea.  Take all the fun out of it.19:47
+perlDreamerrizen, that page requires a facebook login19:49
@rizeni viewed it without logging in19:49
@rizentry clicking this link first: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=565308834&k=X41T356XV36M5D1GRKZTRU19:50
@rizenmaybe that gives you a session or something19:50
+perlDreameryeah, that's better.19:51
+perlDreamerWhat's the small fuzzy that Gilligan has?19:51
@rizenit's my rat19:52
@rizena fake rat19:52
@rizenbut it's part of the halloween decor at casa smith19:52
+perlDreamernice costume, dude19:53
+perlDreamer$dayJob is exacting revenge for all that idle time19:53
+perlDreamerI haven't had time to do any wG work for weeks19:54
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@rizenthat sucks PD20:10
@rizenSDuensin: your RFE is unjustified and without merit20:11
@rizenand your mommy dresses you funny20:11
SDuensinIt's justified and you dress yourself funny.20:12
SDuensinI didn't see a "Request for fixing annoying things" so I filed an RFE.20:12
@rizenIt's only annoying because you are trying to deprive advertisers of their cash20:13
@rizenand if you are20:13
@rizenthen you shouldn't use the WebGUI advertising feature either. =)20:13
SDuensinI'm the advertiser.  Maybe I'm trying to prevent invalid impressions?  Hmmmm?  :-P20:14
@rizenIf you're an advertiser why are you using an ad blocker?20:14
@rizendo you live in bizarro world?20:14
SDuensinWhat do you think?  :-D20:15
@rizenI'm going to reject your RFE based upon this conversation.20:15
SDuensinhehehe20:15
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CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8237 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: added DataTable to WebGUI.conf.original20:24
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8238 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataTable.pm: some bugfixes. less reliance on pre-prepared form control20:24
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8239 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/DataTable.pm: 20:24
CIA-6WebGUI: fixes to DataTable form control20:24
CIA-6WebGUI: removed stupid configuration and added some necessary ones20:24
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8240 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/DataTable.pm: perltidy20:25
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8241 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: not allowed to add calendar events if in can edit group but not can add event group20:25
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8242 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataTable.pm: perltidy20:25
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8243 /WebGUI/ (sbin/installClass.pl lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Installable.pm): added Installable aspect and a script to install classes20:25
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@perlmonkey2What about a rss asset that had plugins for all appropriate assets to grab rss entries from.  This asset would contain feeds and feeds would be groups of asset URLS from which to get the RSS data form.  You would get the rss feed by going to the rssAsset&feed=TheCoolFeed 22:12
apeironperlmonkey2, So it'd basically be a planet implementation for one site?22:13
@perlmonkey2apeiron: yes.  This way, no matter how many feeds or assets you are grabbing from, you only have one asset instance added.22:14
apeironperlmonkey2, Sounds interesting. Now the important question: why?22:15
@rizenwhy ask why, drink bud dry22:15
@perlmonkey2apeiron: an easy way to do rss feeds22:16
@perlmonkey2most of the rss logic can be stored in a single asset, so no duplication of the rss generation or feed auth.22:16
@perlmonkey2else each asset would have to know rss.22:17
@preactionwhy not an Aspect?22:17
@perlmonkey2let me read up on Aspects :D22:17
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topsubi am in WebGUI 7.4.8 and how can i send an message to anotehr user? when i go to inbox i don't have the option to send an inbox message.22:34
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Bernd_Are Aspects in WebGUI related to the Aspect module on CPAN?22:40
Bernd_Or is there another good starting point?22:44
Bernd_I mean, for reading.22:44
@preactionClass::C3 and WebGUI::AssetAspect22:46
Bernd_Thanks!22:47
@preactionthe WebGUI::AssetAspect::Installable is a simple one, if you want an example22:48
Bernd_I am going to have a look at it!22:49
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8246 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: allow updates via form post23:51
@rizenDon't listen to preaction, WebGUI::AssetAspect::Comments is the only aspect worth looking at23:53
@rizenpreaction, we're going to have to have an Aspect-off23:53
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@preactionComments is bigger, more awesome, and more complex, and so harder to see what's happening23:59
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@preactionon the other hand, Comments has an implementing class (Wiki)23:59
@preactionhm...23:59
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@rizenActually, I was thinking more of a contest to see who can build the cooler aspect00:02
@rizenthough, i've already come up with about 100 features to add to the comment aspect00:03
@perlmonkey2preaction: can you explain the AssetAspect::Comments::get comments call?  $self->next::method('comments')  Is the next::method sending the call back to the object using the aspect?00:08
@preactionperlmonkey2, check the Class::C3 docs for what next::method does00:09
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slickwarehey, Jamie, you still in here?00:11
@perlmonkey2preaction: so next would send the call to the next inherited class, Asset.  But Asset doesn't have a 'comments' method.00:14
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@preactionperlmonkey2, it detects that and doesn't cause an error00:15
@preactionat least, i hope00:15
@perlmonkey2reading Class::C3 I think it might00:15
@perlmonkey2If next::method cannot find a next method to re-dispatch the call to, it will throw an exception.00:15
@preactiondunno, JT wrote that aspect00:16
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@rizenperlmonkey2: can you point me to the line number or method name that you're talking about?00:17
@perlmonkey2preaction: yeah, I'm not getting something because that method is called with that param.00:17
@perlmonkey2rizen: sub get in AssetApect::Comments00:17
@perlmonkey2line 21700:17
@rizenyeah, it's not calling a method called "comments"00:18
@rizenit's passing the string "comments" to get()00:18
@rizenin SUPER::00:18
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@rizenit's the same as saying00:18
@rizen$self->SUPER::get('comments')00:18
@perlmonkey2so $self->next::method passes the params to the super of whatever method it is in?00:18
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@perlmonkey2that is craaaazy00:18
@rizennext::method is very similar to SUPER except that instead of calling vertically00:19
@rizenit calls horizontally and then vertically00:19
@perlmonkey2hmm, now the example code in perldoc makes sense00:19
@rizenaspects (in WebGUI) are multiple-inheritance00:20
@rizenand therefore can be a bit confusing00:20
@perlmonkey2yeah, I think I understand enough to really screw something up now :D00:20
@perlmonkey2rizen: but I'm still not entirely sure rss feeds should be aspects tacked onto existing classes.  Single class with plugins to existing assets, or change existing assets to use an aspect?00:22
@rizenonce we get a nice stable of asset aspects built, we should be able to throw together absolutely amazing assets in very little time...just because of the power aspects give us00:22
@preactionthe RSS Aspect is already planned00:22
@perlmonkey2rizen: heh, that has been the promise of OOP since its inception.  I'm still waiting for it.00:23
@rizenperlmonkey2: did you read my dev mailing list post about the death of the collaboration system?00:23
@rizenwebgui asset aspects will bring it about00:24
@perlmonkey2yes00:24
+perlDreamerDeath to the CS!00:24
@rizenlet's say we wanted to keep the collaboration system, but we just wanted to "aspectize" it00:24
@rizenWebGUI::Asset::Post would be entirely replaced by the Comments aspect00:25
@perlmonkey2I can see them doing that.  And it does seem much sexier to instead of having big heavy Blog asset, having a small light Blog asset that aspects almost all of its functionality.00:25
@rizenThe comments aspect would just be added to Thread00:25
@rizenCS would get the RSS aspect00:25
@rizenboth CS and Thread would get the Subscribable aspect00:25
@perlmonkey2oh man, when you talk like that I get all excited.00:25
@rizenthusly replacing about 400 lines of code in each00:25
@perlmonkey2seems like the most important part (of many important parts) is all assets start behaving much more alike.00:26
@rizenCS and Thread would both get ReplyViaEmail aspect, allowing emails to come in and post to them00:26
@perlmonkey2similiar functionality will *feel* the same, because it is the sam.e00:26
@rizenthat's a big part of it00:27
@rizenthe thing is that whole objects often aren't as reusable as their parts00:27
@rizenand that's where aspects come into play00:27
@perlmonkey2wow....yeah, I can see how cool this is going to be.00:28
@rizenit's going to take some time, but once we have the stable of aspects...webgui assets can and will become a lot more uniform, tested and therefore stable, and easier to build00:29
@rizenwe owe most of this to preaction, who lit a fire under my ass to finally start pushing aspects (cuz he's been pushing the concept for about a year now)00:30
@perlmonkey2should make it easier to move more logic to the client side.  Adding ajax hooks will be a lot simpler.00:31
@rizenwill it?00:31
@rizeni don' t know about that00:31
@rizencertainly some reusable ajax hooks00:31
@rizenbut in general, i think most ajax stuff will be just as it is now00:31
@rizenWebGUI::Crud is in the same vein though00:33
@rizenit's not an aspect00:33
@rizenbut it makes it much easier to build collateral for assets00:33
@rizenand because all collateral will be from a standard base (WebGUI::Crud), all collateral will be more uniform, tested and therefore stable00:34
@rizeni've already built 6 objects on WebGUI::Crud, and it has saved me hours of time because i fix a problem in one place and it fixes it in all 6 objects00:34
@perlmonkey2nice00:34
@rizennot to mention the test suite keeps me informed of how the changes I make to crud impact things00:35
@perlmonkey2wow crud has really changed since I last looked at it.  It is huge00:36
@rizenhas it?00:36
@perlmonkey2yes, it was just a few methods last I looked at it.  Now its 942 lines of code with some very interesting helpers00:37
@perlmonkey2updateTable?  Come on, that is just slick.00:38
@rizenthe only thing i don't like about the WebGUI::Crud implementation so far is the join clause in the getAll methods00:39
@rizeni think i'm going to remove that00:39
@rizenupdateTable wasn't there when you last looked at it? man i thought that was there in the very first implementation00:39
@perlmonkey2maybe I missed it.00:40
@perlmonkey2don't know how as it is kind of the heart of the thing00:41
@perlmonkey2rizen: you dont' like the joins?  Why not?00:45
@rizeni don't like that you can throw raw SQL into the joins00:46
@rizenit allows for sloppiness00:46
@rizenmainly in field quoting00:46
@rizeni like joinUsing00:46
@rizenjust not join00:46
@rizeni have a similar problem with the where clause00:47
@perlmonkey2hmm, change the syntax of join then?00:47
@rizeni really like where "fieldname = ?", $value00:47
@rizenlike i have it now00:47
@rizenbut i wish i had a way to auto-quote the field name00:47
@rizeni don't mind having raw SQL in a class like this00:48
@rizeni just want to be able to make it as automatic and as safe as possible00:48
+perlDreamer$session->db->quoteIdentifier00:48
@perlmonkey2I keep running in circles in my head trying to think how abstract that and DBIx::Class et al is what comes to mind.00:49
@perlmonkey2which is way too slow00:49
@rizenperlDreamer i know about that and use it00:49
@rizenbut you can't do 00:49
@rizenquoteIdenetifier("fieldname = ?"00:50
+perlDreamers/(\S+)(\s*=)/$db->quoteIdentifier($1).$2/eg;00:50
@perlmonkey2hahha00:50
@rizennope00:50
@rizenbecause they can do 00:50
@preactionfieldname=00:50
+perlDreamerI _did_ say \s* in there00:51
@rizenfieldname >= this or fieldname < that or fieldname in ('this', 'foo', 'bar')00:51
+perlDreamerthe '>00:51
+perlDreamercharacter won't match00:51
@preaction(\S+)\b(\s*(?:=|>|<|...))00:51
@preactioni hate it00:52
@preactionSQL::Abstract!00:52
+perlDreamerpreaction, \b is the boundary between \S and \s00:52
@preactionah00:52
@preactiondon't need that then00:52
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: so why won't what you have work for sanitizing?00:53
@preactionor Parse::BooleanQuery maybe?00:53
+perlDreamerpreaction, a more general purpose solution will always be better than my regexp-of-the-day00:53
@rizenfolks you can stop, the answer IS NOT parsing00:54
@perlmonkey2well, there are only so many possible cases.  a short parse tree could be created.00:54
@rizenwe either leave it raw SQL or we make a usable interface to pass in a usable datastructure00:54
@rizenmy goal IS NOT to rebuild DBIx::Class00:54
@rizenRoseDB00:54
@rizenor any of the other bs that's out there on CPAN that's both hard to use and slow00:55
@rizenfor now we'll leave it as is, and if we figure out a better way to do it, we'll deprecate the current mechanism and remove it in WebGUI 800:56
@perlmonkey2the join syntax can be narrowed down to a single case00:56
@perlmonkey2just allow left joins00:57
@rizenare you saying just allow left joins with single equality?00:57
@perlmonkey2hmm, but there are a ton of conditionals00:57
@rizencuz i already only allow left joins00:57
@rizenit's the equality issue that is a problem00:58
@perlmonkey2yeah, just realized that00:58
@perlmonkey2and there are quite a few possible conditionals.00:58
@rizeni could very easily say tablename, fieldInTable, fieldInCrud00:58
@rizenand we have a nice usable datastructure00:58
@rizenthat would build00:58
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@rizenleft join tablename on tablename.fieldIntable = crudtable.fieldInCrud00:59
@rizeni'm just not sure if that's good enough for our uses00:59
@rizenpreaction; for the record, these are the same issues i have with the joinClass and other related options in getLineage01:04
@rizenthere's a lot of sanity problems01:04
@rizenquoting, table prefixing, etc01:04
@rizenand in getLineage it's even worse because you also have to account for versioning01:04
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leleleleis it difficult to use this CMS if I don't know Perl? I know only PHP.02:14
SDuensinNot at all.02:16
+perlDreamerTo _use_ WebGUI, you don't really have to know perl at all02:19
+perlDreamerJust the language for the templates02:19
+perlDreamerand macros02:19
SDuensinYep.  Since the WRE hit the scene, it's become MUCH easier!02:20
patspamrizen: I started using crud for something yesterday :)02:25
@rizenoh yeah? and how did you find it to work?02:26
patspamso far so good!02:26
SDuensinCrud?  Like database CRUD?02:26
@rizeni've been using it for a couple weeks now on a special pb project02:26
@rizenhave 6 objects created so far02:26
* SDuensin is trying to learn Thingy.02:26
@rizenthingy should eventually use crud02:27
SDuensinWTF is crud?02:27
@rizenWebGUI::Crud02:27
@rizenis a new thing in 7.602:27
patspamcool. the only thing I've noticed so far that felt like it was missing was the ability to flag fields as required in definition()02:27
@rizenthat allows you to build database backed WebGUI objects02:27
SDuensinCan you link and stuff like Thingy?02:28
@rizenSD: it's a programmer's tool, not a UI tool02:28
* SDuensin is using 7.5.x, but could be convinced to go bleeding edge. :-)02:28
SDuensinDoh.02:28
+perlDreamerSDuensin, think more of a generic object base class that handles db interactions02:28
* SDuensin is a programmer, but he's kinda busy and can't learn WebGUI's API just yet.02:28
+perlDreamerrizen, I need to borrow $600,000 US.02:28
@rizenThingy's backend should eventually use WebGUI::Crud02:28
SDuensinCool.02:28
SDuensinSounds very spiffy.02:28
@rizenperlDreamer: uh....02:29
@rizenpatspam: that's not a bad idea02:29
patspamrizen: love how much boiler-plate code i didn't have to write. crud++02:31
+perlDreamerrizen, okay, how about just $500,000 and I'll give you free rides?02:32
@rizenbuying a helicopter pd?02:32
@rizenor a train?02:32
+perlDreamerNo, a used steam engine02:32
+perlDreamer:)02:32
SDuensinUh?02:32
@rizenhow about this, i'll lend you $6, then you just need 100,000 other people to do the same thing. =)02:32
+perlDreamerhm.  Just let me make a quick commit to the PayDriver code02:33
+perlDreamerthat should fix it02:33
@rizenpatspam: yeah, it's saving me an absolute ton of code too...but more importantly, as i've been building these objects it's giving me ideas for additional methods in WebGUI::Crud02:34
@rizenlike the $self->updateFromFormPost() method I added today02:34
SDuensinCrap.  I lost the Things I built.  Wonder what I did?02:35
@rizenSD: that big button that says "DELETE" don't hit that next time02:37
SDuensinI think I somehow had a version tag with no Things in the Thingy and committed that on top the one I was working on.02:37
SDuensinI think.02:37
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SDuensinInteresting.  My missing Things are in the Default Thing dropdown in my empty Thingy.02:42
BartJolso missing is actually misplaced?02:43
SDuensinSeems that way.  Connecting to MySQL now to poke around.02:43
BartJolhow does Thingy show it's empty?02:44
SDuensinWell, before when I went to the page with the Thingy on it, it listed my Things.  Now I just have "Add Thing".02:45
lelelelehow does it supports GUI?02:47
leleleleI mean in website or has windows app for it?02:47
SDuensinInteresting.  I have two Thingy entries in the database that are the same except for the revision date.  That's probably not right.02:48
@rizenlelelele: it's a web app. go to http://demo.webgui.org02:48
@rizencreate a demo02:48
@rizenthen click on the getting started page02:48
BartJolmmm, my server doesn't produce a page, nrestarting services02:48
BartJolif it has done that, I'll try to reproduce SDuensin, I', running 7.6.102:49
SDuensinWould a dump of my Thingy related tables help?02:50
BartJolrestarting takes awfully long....02:50
BartJolmmm, mysql can't connect02:52
BartJolSDuensin: I don't know, it doesn't harm02:52
BartJolbut now I've got mu own problems02:53
BartJol...02:53
SDuensin:-(02:54
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SDuensinWell, BartJol, if you want the dump, lemme know how you want it sent.  It's not super-urgent or anything.02:56
BartJolok02:57
* SDuensin is just hoping to use Thingy to help rule the world.02:57
BartJolmysql.sock is missing02:57
BartJolso I'll try to start or restart02:57
SDuensinBe sure an /etc/mysql/my.cnf didn't slip in.   Dang updates.02:58
BartJolI seem to have a clean server02:59
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BartJolso no other mysql02:59
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leleleleI dont see any GUI.03:06
leleleleOnly a movie.03:06
leleleleSimple menubar in that movie. Simple CMS, dunno where GUI is here?03:06
@rizenlelelele: that movie is telling you how to see a gooey03:06
@rizenGUI03:06
leleleleI thought it will be javascript.03:07
@rizenin your demo03:07
@rizenlog in03:07
lelelelejust to make feel of GUI in browser.03:07
@rizenusing admin 123qwe03:07
lelelele0k03:07
@rizenthen click the "turn admin on" link03:07
@rizenthe movie tells you to do exactly that03:07
@rizenand yes, the GUI is javascript03:07
leleleleok03:07
leleleleI am not so smart03:07
leleleleto see the movie for getting the pass.03:07
leleleleWould be easier to write on 5em those config infos03:08
lelelele:)03:08
lelelelefor me as I dont like flash :)03:08
@rizennot possible03:08
@rizenyou set the username and password wehn you create your demo03:08
@rizenif you leave it to the default it is then admin 123qwe03:08
leleleleso how you know my ones?03:08
lelelele0k03:08
@rizeni'm guessing you left the default03:08
@rizenbut i can't predict that everyone will do that03:09
leleleleduuno03:09
leleleleI am logged in .03:09
@rizenclick the "turn admin on" link03:09
lelelelehuh?03:10
@rizenyou said you are logged in03:10
@rizenare you?03:10
leleleleactually I am not sorry.03:10
leleleleadmin 123qwe ?03:10
@rizenif you left the defaults03:11
@rizenthen yes that's the username and password03:11
leleleleCause there are no info about that. Dunno how people know that it is default.03:11
BartJolit is quite findasble on the site03:11
@rizenok lelelele let's start from scratch because i don't think you were paying attention when you created your demo03:11
lelelelewhat you mean about default? Design part? No, I uploaded photo for logo, and changed color.03:11
@rizeni'll give you step by step directions03:11
lelelele0k03:11
@rizendon't derivate even a little bit03:11
lelelele0k03:11
@rizendo exactly what i say03:11
lelelele0k03:11
@rizen1) go to http://demo.webgui.org03:12
@rizen2) click "Create my personal webgui demo"03:12
lelelelerizen : I am logged in03:12
leleleleused your pass 03:12
leleleleI turned admin 0n.03:12
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BartJolwhile restarting mysql, a new socket should be created, right?03:13
@rizenyes bartjol03:14
BartJolmmm, something is awfully wrong then03:14
@rizenis there anything in your /data/wre/var/mysqldata/servernamegoeshere.err file?03:15
@rizenit usually tells you what's wrong03:15
lelelelerizen : works fine03:15
leleleledid you do this CMS?03:15
BartJol081104  2:15:26 [Warning] option 'max_join_size': unsigned value 18446744073709551615 adjusted to 429496729503:15
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@rizenlelelele: yes, i founded it, but many people have worked on it since then03:16
@rizenBartJol: warnings don't count usually03:16
@rizenBartJol: look for serious stuff03:16
SDuensinBartJol - If you check the cnf, it's set to 4294967295.  Go figure.03:16
lelelelerizen: whas is the date of foundation, I want to count birthdays of WebGUI since that date.03:16
lelelelemaybe you remember exact day?03:16
@rizenwebgui is 7 years old03:17
lelelelewow03:17
@rizeni started development on it in June 200103:17
leleleleI thought it was new.03:17
@rizenand it's first release to the public is August 16, 200103:17
lelelelenice. So why such small community?03:17
@rizenit's not a small community03:17
BartJolah, can't create a PID file03:17
lelelele2603:17
lelelele...03:17
SDuensinIt's "small" because it doesn't run on $5 web hosts.03:17
@rizenthere are more than 10,000 sites running webgui03:17
leleleleI mean node community.03:17
BartJollelelele: and there's even a dutch guy online03:18
BartJolon this time03:18
lelelelewow03:18
leleleleI am LT guy03:18
SDuensinLT?03:18
leleleleso OK what I need to test this .03:18
leleleleLithuania. yes.03:18
leleleleI have Apache.03:18
@rizenWebGUI is primarily used by businesses, not home users03:18
lelelelewhat a difference it is CMS.03:18
lelelelefor me all CMS is just CMS.03:19
leleleleall plenty of not flexibility.03:19
SDuensinIt's the BEST CMS EVER!03:19
leleleleso I am testing them one after another.03:19
lelelelelast time I tested Drupal.03:19
* SDuensin learned the hard way. He strayed. Never again!03:19
leleleleVery annoying one...03:19
leleleleThe hard thing with CMS is that they are not flexible. I found this one in matrix 03:20
BartJollelelele: darn, I'be only been to Estonia03:20
SDuensinI ran Joomla and Drupal.  Bad idea.03:20
lelelelethere were many Yes'es written on it. And that word "GUI" though it is not GUI.03:20
leleleleGUI is win app.03:20
lelelelejavascript can be GUI but many job to do it.03:21
SDuensinDoesn't have to be.03:21
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lelelelebetter java. ;)03:21
BartJolwell, deleting an old webgui and wre tar helped03:21
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BartJolKoen just assigned me not enough disc space...03:21
SDuensinACK!03:22
BartJolnow it work again03:22
* SDuensin cheers for BartJol 03:22
leleleleSDuensin: how you started with WebGUI?03:22
@rizenlelelele: webgui is so powerful that it actually runs the CMS Matrix03:22
lelelelewow03:22
lelelelereally 03:22
@rizenyup03:22
@rizengo to cmsmatrix.org03:22
leleleleso all those intro page about most clicks is a fake :(03:22
@rizenand do a view source03:22
@rizenyou'll see a meta tag that says the page is generated using webgui03:22
leleleleI found WebGUI from that intro page from those "most clicks".03:23
SDuensinlelelele - I just stumbled on it years ago.  Foolishly tried other programs.  Almost back to 100% WebGUI.03:23
lelelele0k03:23
@rizenlelelele: no...we don't touch the site. we just let it run03:23
BartJolACK, awfully cumulated kunbicles?03:23
@rizenwe were the first site on the list, and we have the most clicks because we've been there from day one, and are the best03:23
SDuensinI fell in love with the 5.x series.  6.x had some growing pains.  Now I'm back, baby!03:23
lelelelelet's assume that WebGUI is so powerful and GUI is so good dev'ed that noone needs to come to smth like #drupal-support for asking "how to change theme".03:23
leleleleso that is why we are here only some devs and lovers.03:24
leleleleof WebGUI.03:24
BartJolSDuensin: ok back to your Thingy problem03:24
@rizenlelelele: you'd have to be in the community a while to understand 03:24
BartJolI'll open my db03:25
@rizenthe number of people in an IRC channel does not mean you have a good or big community03:25
@rizenit just means you have a lot of people in IRC or not03:25
SDuensinlelelele, like I said, it takes a bit more power to run WebGUI.  All the kids with $5 a month web hosts can't install it.03:25
SDuensinBartJol - How do you want me to send my dump over?03:25
lelelelerizen: I want to start. I have Drupal configured easily. I configured commercial PHP/MySQL/WinApp easily. Hope my Apache/MySQL server is enough for installing WebGUI?03:25
@rizenlelelele: no, you need the WebGUI Runtime Environment (WRE)03:26
leleleleAlso Perl community forces me to learn Perl not PHP :))03:26
SDuensinYes.  WRE!03:26
lelelelebut that is not the most important :)03:26
Radix-wrkWRE rocks03:26
f00li5hlelelele: still trolling php, i see03:26
leleleleWRE reminds me JRE rofl.03:26
lelelele:)))03:26
Radix-wrkor even easier.. use the vmware appliance03:26
BartJolSDuensin: I'm studying the tables03:27
BartJol;03:27
leleleleyou mean my output website will have smth like JRE? Without WRE costumers won't see the website?03:27
f00li5hwut03:27
lelelelef00li5h : wow you are here too.03:27
leleleleGosh, so you are dev of WebGUI?03:28
f00li5hI am everywhere03:28
BartJolhee Radix_ good morning03:28
@rizenlelelele: no: the WRE is a server-side thing...users don't need it03:28
@rizenjust the server03:28
SDuensinlelelele - The WRE is all the software you need to run WebGUI.03:28
Radix-wrkWRE is a preconfigured MySQL, Apache, Perl, Webgui setup - ready to go and optimised03:28
lelelelerizen: ok for my localhost it is ok, what about my ISP?03:28
lelelelehe will not like idea about WRE.03:28
leleleleI mean hosting .03:28
@rizenthen you probably can't run webgui03:28
@rizenthe server runs the WRE03:28
leleleleI see :(03:29
leleleleAnyway for localhost that will be fun to try out.03:29
BartJolSDuensin: did you assign a default Thing?03:29
@rizenlelelele: don't bother installing it, just use the demo03:29
Radix-wrkhopefully soon it'll be as easy as apt-get install webgui (on debian at least)03:29
SDuensinBartJol - Yea03:29
Radix-wrkBartJol, morning :)03:30
@rizenlelelele: what do you want to see by installing it that you can't figure out by using the demo?03:30
SDuensinRadix-wrk - That would make my day.03:30
Radix-wrkSDuensin, mine too :)03:30
lelelelerizen: I begin thinking that WRE is smth like PHP (server side).03:31
@rizenyes lelelele 03:31
lelelelehmmm03:31
BartJolSDuensin: if you can give me some rows of Thing and the Thingy that holds it, that might give me some starting info03:32
BartJolsay limit 10 on th e first one03:32
SDuensinI dumped just the Thingy-related stuff.  It's short.  Like 12k.03:32
BartJolkeep in mind that it's half past 2 here03:32
SDuensinhehee03:32
BartJolin paste bin?03:32
SDuensinSure.03:32
lelelelerizen: WRE is a language like PHP? Or just menubar CMS?03:32
leleleleBartJol: in my place it is half past 403:33
@rizenWRE= Perl + Apache + MySQL + Image Magick 03:33
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BartJollelelele: I know03:33
@rizenlelelele: http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/the-case-for-the-wre03:33
lelelelewhat about security rizen?03:34
SDuensinBartJol - http://webgui.pastebin.com/m31b7600203:34
leleleleI mean big number operations (shutting down server). 03:34
lelelelePHP handles it by default don't allow too much for scripters.03:34
lelelelePerl has sandboxes like Java do?03:34
BartJolfound it03:34
BartJolthe dump that is03:34
SDuensinlelelele - mod_perl has limits like mod_php.  It won't run off with your server.03:34
BartJolnot the problem03:35
lelelelegood.03:35
lelelele0k. I assume it is very good thing.03:35
SDuensinlelelele, WebGUI makes everything else look like a toy.03:36
SDuensinLike rizen said, create a demo account and play with it.03:36
f00li5hrizen: well, i'm convinced ;)03:36
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dionaki've been convinced by the wre too. it makes it super simple to setup webgui, as rizen mentions in his post03:38
SDuensinFirst time I set up WebGUI, I *compiled* *everything*.  Talk about "fun"!03:39
Radix-wrkheh.. been there, done that too ;)03:39
Radix-wrkI went to great lengths to set up a debian server with webgui - worked great, except I remember getting wierd errors that PB couldn't duplicate.. not big ones, but wierd.  Some interaction of perl modules of differing versions caused it.  Since switching to the WRE everything has been rock solid stable.03:41
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SDuensinI run WRE on Ubuntu.  It's a rock.  (Which is the opposite of a brick.)03:42
Radix-wrk[root@webgui ~]# uptime03:43
Radix-wrk 10:42:39 up 172 days, 21:33,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.0103:43
SDuensinYea.  Mine is like 6 hours.  I updated the OS today.  :-)03:43
Radix-wrknot too bad.. think the last time I shut it down was when we reorganised the server room03:43
lelelelespeed.... what about speed comparing PHP/MySQL running Apache, and WRE/MySQL/Perl website/database?03:44
lelelelein percents please. My company website is pretty slow with Apache/PHP/MySQL.03:44
Radix-wrkAssets:560003:44
Radix-wrkPackages:303:44
Radix-wrkTemplates:28803:44
Radix-wrkActive Sessions:84003:44
Radix-wrkUsers:1114703:44
Radix-wrkGroups:127603:45
SDuensinCan't provide percents.  Depends too much on your machine, OS, etc.03:45
@rizenlelelele: it's not enough to just say perl vs php. because the code running it is different03:45
SDuensinBut it's fast.  I run about 18 sites on a low-end server.03:45
BartJolmmm, SDuensin, I'm afriad it will cost me some time on a more awake and sober moment to work this out, but at the moment the only thing I see that a Thingy_3VuQpp2ZL7Mr5RyLIR7pag is created but, I don't see a relation03:45
Radix-wrkhow can you compare speed realistically?03:45
@rizenlelelele: what i can tell you is, that WebGUI runs 300% faster on the WRE than it does on native Apache, MySQL packages that come with Red Hat Enterprise Linux03:45
SDuensinBartJol - Just not sure what caused it to happen.  It was fine.  I committed a version tag and it blew up.03:46
lelelelewow rizen, amazing numbers.03:46
BartJolhow's your disc space, it solved my problems 10 minutes ago :)03:46
SDuensinrizen - Red Hat *finally* fixed their annoying Perl bug.  About time.03:47
@rizenSD yeah, i read about that03:47
SDuensinLast time I ran Red Hat was before the big change to libc.  That's been forever!03:48
@rizenlelelele: one other thing to consider. a Plain Black employee can install WebGUI using native packages in about 2 hours. or can install WebGUI using the WRE in about 7 minutes03:48
lelelelerizen: I still dont like admin panel.03:48
SDuensinlelelele - Why?03:48
leleleleit is not fast for company to use admin panel online. Why dont you make app for windows?03:49
leleleleand then export/update database online.03:49
SDuensinBecause a huge part of the world can't stand Windows.  :-)03:49
Radix-wrknot everyone uses windows03:49
@rizenlelelele: because that only covers windows03:49
@rizenthen we'd need to build an interface for mac, linux, iphones, blackberry's, etc03:50
SDuensinI'm guessing Windows is the minority here.  :-)03:50
@rizenthat's a lot of work03:50
Radix-wrkI like being able to log into the website from anywhere in the world on any pc and be able to edit/update the website, publish changes, etc03:50
BartJolSDuensin: my thingy doesn't seem to create a Thingy_id table03:50
SDuensinRadix-wrk - Agreed.03:50
SDuensinBartJol - That dump is from 7.5.31.03:51
Radix-wrkin fact we have users all over the world who do that for our website03:51
SDuensin31?  30?03:51
SDuensin3103:51
SDuensin:-)03:51
leleleleany CMS does the same `being able` from any place in the world.03:51
BartJolmmm, I don't have a site I can't fiddle around with from that version03:51
BartJolonly have 7.6.103:51
lelelelefor company the speed of database changing is important too. 03:52
leleleleSure it is not a problem, as we admins can easily make it on localhost and export database.03:52
lelelelebut it is not meant to be so.03:52
Radix-wrklelelele, but as soon as you force people to install an application to be able to edit it, then it provides an entry requirement and locks people out03:52
SDuensinIs your connection that slow, lelelele?  Why do you want it local?03:52
Radix-wrkand makes it harder to change on the fly03:52
SDuensinIt WebGUI required Windows to use it, I'd not be here.03:53
Radix-wrkneither would PB ;)03:53
SDuensinhehe03:53
BartJoloh, and prolly I will will be bothering you tomorrow night too, I'll try to stay awake during elections03:53
Radix-wrkthey all use macs there from what I've seen03:53
@rizenlelelele: if you're looking for something that installs local then webgui isn't for you03:53
SDuensinI use a Mac laptop, but that's for the UNIX, not the GUI.03:53
SDuensinMy new business is based entirely on Linux and WebGUI.03:54
SDuensin:-)03:54
* SDuensin has Gooey sitting on a speaker watching him work.03:54
* Radix-wrk wonders where his Gooey dolls are.03:54
lelelelerizen : I have nice database win app, and I compare all CMS (1Mgbit connection) with my PC database in winapp.03:54
leleleleBelieve me the speed of changing database is just as comparing lightning with dunno what.03:55
@rizenlelelele: that's fine, webgui isn't for everybody03:55
@rizenlelelele: webgui is the best cms out there for more than 10,000 businesses, but it may not be the best cms for your business03:55
leleleleNo I still use company website with PHP/MySQL. 03:55
leleleleit would be best if we re-programmed  old website.03:56
leleleleBut it is total impossible... we using tables and many programmed modules.03:56
SDuensinI wish I knew what I did to the Thingy.  I really want to use it.03:56
leleleletoo expensive to program new modules on Perl.03:56
BartJolsorry SDuensin, I feel my eyelids dropping down03:57
BartJoldarn gravity03:57
SDuensinBartJol - That's fine BartJol.  Go rest!  :-)  I can just delete and start over.03:57
SDuensin(And be more careful!)03:57
BartJolwith what?03:57
BartJolgooeys?03:58
BartJolor thingy?03:58
SDuensinThingy.  Delete them.03:58
BartJol:)03:58
BartJolI don't really use them (yet)03:58
Radix-wrkSo on different topic... We've got a famous horse race going on in Australia in a couple of hours.. and I understand there's a similar horse race going on in the USA soon too? :)03:59
BartJolhorses? We only have cow and other cattle races04:00
Radix-wrkheh.. we race everything here.. even cane toad races04:00
* SDuensin has no idea04:00
BartJoldo horses also have those build-in handbags, like all australian animals?04:01
BartJolarg, my sense off humor is deteriorating04:01
SDuensinhehe04:02
@rizenbartjol: do you have a sense of humor?04:02
lelelelerizen: WYSIWYG editor is superb. Javascript tabber principle is my favorite idea for CMS.04:03
BartJolrizen: yeah, I do, only yours is so bad, that you don't notice, almost a female-male miscommunication04:04
lelelelepretty fast loading images from javascript.04:04
BartJolunfortunately, I would be the female...04:04
@rizenbartjol: i had mine surgically removed at birth04:04
BartJoland you try to judge mine?04:04
BartJolin the netherland, we have a proverb for it04:05
BartJolit's schoenmaker, blijf bij je leest04:05
BartJolwhich means something like04:05
BartJolshoemaker, stay with your shoe making tools04:06
BartJolso "rizen: shut up and start programming would be a good equivalent"04:07
BartJolrizen: you looked really qute in your joker outfit04:08
leleleleBartJol: how much did you smoke today?04:08
leleleleyour Netherlands proverbs seems to be made from smoking narcotics.04:09
BartJolonly plain tabacco04:09
leleleleI smoked tabacco too but I am not so rude.04:09
leleleleAre you m/f?04:09
BartJollelelele: no we sell everything to france people to keep them a bit relaxed04:09
lelelele:))04:09
@rizenBartJol is not rude, he's my wife's Dutch boyfriend04:10
leleleleoh....04:10
BartJoland I try to adjust to rizens way off talking, so he understands04:10
leleleleI see.04:10
leleleleDenmark...04:10
leleleleThey are smart too.04:10
BartJolyeah, that's a very usefull remark... Denmark04:11
BartJolnow I'm getting rude04:11
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lelelelehuh?04:12
BartJoland I type too much for being stoned, and believe me, I've got experience04:12
leleleleD04:12
SDuensinhehe04:12
leleleleDutch == Denmark, what's wrong bart?04:12
@rizenDanish == Denmark04:13
@rizenDutch = Holland04:13
BartJolor even better "the Netherlands"04:13
leleleleWhat a difference, I heared in Netherlands they are mostly from Holland.04:13
leleleleEven speak Dutch language mostly.04:14
lelelelewhoops or maybe I misunderstood the words.04:14
BartJollelelele: you might, it's a quarter past 4 for you04:15
lelelele4:1404:15
BartJoland you type quite good for this time04:15
lelelelemust sleep:(04:15
leleleleno really I mistype too much.04:15
BartJolI'm free tomorrow04:15
leleleleI not only chat with you but also try to test demo online of WebGUI04:15
BartJolmwahhahaha04:15
lelelelehard to concenctrate04:15
leleleleno need04:15
leleleleI just tested04:16
leleleleit is not for me sadly.04:16
leleleleI will concentrate on making my own php CMS...04:16
leleleleI feel to bad in all CMS'es...04:16
leleleleMy ideas too many for any CMS out there. Every idea has to add some functions...04:16
leleleleetc u know...04:17
BartJolsome people here might consider PHP as a curse around here04:17
leleleleok see you04:17
leleleleno not really04:17
BartJolI don't04:17
lelelelePerl would be good too but I am newbie04:17
leleleleso began on PHP...04:17
BartJolhee, I'm a newbie, don't have php experience 04:18
lelelelei was total newbie just 2008-05-1504:18
leleleleon that date I decided to know what does all words like HTTP/CSS means04:18
BartJolthat;s a year or 2 less than me04:18
leleleleand at the moment I pretty much tested, even ran calculator in JRE JAVA environment04:18
lelelelesome Python scripts. PHP becomes comfortable. HTML tags easy.04:19
leleleleI mean it is easy to learn nowadays.04:19
leleleleNo need of school. Only one bad thing is IRC.04:19
leleleleBut communication is the key of success :)04:19
BartJoland I am just learning to program (coo)l stuff04:19
leleleleI will catch you .04:19
@preactioni've always felt that dedication and hard work are the keys to success04:19
leleleleactually they are.04:20
leleleleBut for newbie.04:20
BartJolmost work for me was with tranlating04:20
leleleleIt was big school to get all around, to smell technologies.04:20
leleleleNow I am enough with google and some .net portals of learning.04:20
lelelelebut node community is always very nice to come back.04:21
lelelelejust to look `is there any easy thing invented yet?` and again: No go learn hard way if you want become master.04:21
BartJolis "Tere" also lithuanian? 04:22
leleleleAnd if to use free CMS it is no nice at all.04:22
leleleleI can make html website as fast as with CMS.04:22
leleleleI need many functions in portal, but those functions so different from what CMS gives today, that I must learn program/code myself.04:23
SDuensinNot with forums, user management, etc.04:23
lelelelesure04:23
leleleleBut for those was eBulletin04:23
lelelelevery nice one long time ago, why Drupal etc came ? Was enough of that one too.04:23
SDuensinI like everything to be integrated.  One account.04:23
leleleleBartJol: no dunno what you mean.04:24
BartJollelelele: it means hi and goodbye in estonian04:24
leleleleBartJol: in Lituanian for `hi` is "labas" and for `goodbye` is "iki"04:25
lelelelespelling is without english accent though.04:26
lelelelei is i, not ai.04:26
lelelele:)04:26
BartJolI'll try to remember, allthough it's hopeless at this time04:26
lelelelea is a, not ei :)04:26
BartJolok, Dutch pronounciation is quite similar than04:26
lelelelethat is good ;)04:27
BartJols/than/then/04:27
BartJolnearest to Lithuania I've beenm was Parnu04:28
lelelelerizen: I got idea for your new project. Make such a CMS, that from beginning would go configuration/installation of modules what we need to use. E.G. Installing what we need like import images module, changing with Search menubar, sorting database in meny ways, etc. 04:28
BartJolnice beach there04:28
leleleleThat way I could easily add modules which I need. And also translate to my own language. It will look completly cool feeling for users of database inside CMS. Cause they will feel in native CMS which I made. 04:29
@rizenso your idea is that i should build exactly what you need?04:30
leleleleAt the moment it looks ordinary CMS with many things not needed etc etc if you know what I mean. If you ever seen simple CMS made for company needs in native language of course.04:30
@rizenthe way you want it built?04:30
leleleleyes04:30
lelelelesure why not04:30
lelelelelike constructor04:30
leleleleinstall module04:30
leleleledelete module04:30
lelelelesmth like that04:30
leleleleor you mean I can configure that too for certain users like in Drupal?04:30
@rizeni have a better idea... i'm logging off for the night04:30
BartJollelelele: you can choose to not use modules you don't need04:30
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@preactionyou can also choose to remove modules you don't want04:31
lelelelepreaction: ok ;)04:31
BartJolor disable is a better word04:31
lelelelerizen is cool .04:31
leleleleI liked him at first sight :)04:31
leleleletoday :)04:31
@preactioni believe the feeling is mutual even04:31
BartJolHis couch is nice to04:32
BartJolo04:32
leleleleBartJol hello04:32
@preactionhis old couch was nicer, that's why i have it now04:32
lelelelepreaction hello04:32
BartJolpreaction: can I sleep at your place next year?04:33
BartJolthe old one was better indeed04:33
@preactionBartJol, i'm almost 2 hours away from madison, so no04:33
lelelelehmmm04:33
@preactioni'd have to be at least 3 hours away to allow you to sleep here04:34
leleleleyou both said His in my script it meant to be "Hi*"04:34
leleleleso it was script which said hello to you both :)04:34
@preactioni'd turn off that script, like now04:34
lelelelewhat you mean couch :D04:35
leleleleok I will turn off.04:35
BartJolwell, I slept at JT's hoem04:35
leleleleso you talk about bed?04:35
BartJolhome04:35
BartJolno 04:35
leleleledunno04:36
BartJolthe thing you can sit on with a couple of persons04:36
BartJolbench?04:36
@preactionsofa04:36
@preactiondavenport04:36
leleleleso you are here04:36
lelelelelike sleeping together ?04:36
lelelelesome of you?04:36
BartJolno, I was in august04:37
leleleleyou was BartJol (what you were?) and (with who?)04:37
BartJolJT his wife promised that I could sleep with her, and she would kick him, out04:37
BartJolI was alone :(04:37
BartJolJT=rizen04:38
leleleleoh...04:38
lelelelerizen is m/f?04:38
BartJolm/f?04:38
lelelelei thought it was male.04:38
leleleleyes, sex?04:38
BartJolhe is male04:38
BartJolI am too04:39
lelelele0k04:39
lelelele0k04:39
BartJolhis wife isn't04:39
lelelele0k04:39
leleleleBartJol hello04:39
lelelelewhoops again stupid script.04:39
BartJolmmm04:39
leleleledon't use word "his".04:39
BartJolI'll just finish mu smoke and wodka, then I'll go to bed04:40
leleleleI cannot go to menubar in my mIRC and turn off. cause I turned off menubar and dunno how to show menubar again.04:40
leleleleI dranked two beers04:40
leleleledont want to smoke at the moment, I just am in my bad all the time with laptop.04:40
BartJolI top that04:40
BartJolbad is bath or bed?04:41
lelelelebed04:41
lelelele:))04:41
lelelelelaptop on bath hah04:41
lelelelewould be smth new...04:41
BartJolok, otherwise I'll had too warn you for the dangers04:41
lelelele:))04:41
lelelele0k04:42
leleleletell me more04:42
leleleleabout that wife04:42
leleleleyou share same woman with r?04:42
BartJolnot really04:42
lelelelerizen claimed you are.04:42
BartJolshe just called me her boyfriend04:43
BartJoland that she would move to here to form my harem04:43
BartJolbut she didn't04:43
lelelele::04:43
BartJolto make it up she wants to couple me to a friend of hers04:43
leleleleWOW04:43
lelelele:)04:43
leleleleInteresting...04:44
leleleleI have girlfriend too04:44
BartJolyeah, nice a girlfriend 3000 miles from here04:44
BartJolbut his wife is nice to hangout with04:45
lelelelebut she is blond and doesn't use irc, or understand anything about html etc, she just use some final php products for communication, those slow ones...and plays some very old games :)04:45
lelelelewe are different, cause I like codes, etc , she likes music :D04:45
BartJolah, I had one off those04:45
leleleleyou left her or she left you?04:46
lelelelewhy?04:46
BartJolnot to be negative04:46
BartJolwell, we just hadn't enough "click"04:46
leleleleheh yeah04:47
lelelelethat is painful04:47
BartJoldid like each other, and that the other pone had the intrest, but didn't share enough04:47
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lelelelepone?04:48
BartJolone04:48
lelelelehmmm04:48
BartJolwas a nice time though04:48
leleleleshe didnt like computers?04:48
leleleleand your coding?04:48
BartJolnope04:48
leleleleshe didnt like you sitting near computer when you together?04:49
BartJolyeah, the fatal point was that she said: I don't like the way you indent in your code04:49
leleleleyou tried to explain her BroodWar strategy game rules but she said she wasnt interested at all to this difficult game?04:49
Radix-wrkheh.. it's funny because you're thinking of BartJol as a computer nerd - and in rl he's not ;)04:49
lelelele"intend in your code" ?04:50
BartJolindent04:50
SDuensinIn real life he's supposed to be RESTING!   :-P04:50
leleleleah ....04:50
leleleleBartJol : so you are not geek.04:50
lelelelelike me :)04:50
BartJolmm, that sounds like a comment for both of us lelelele04:50
BartJolok SDq04:50
BartJolSDuensin: 04:50
* Radix-wrk enjoyed many great belgian, dutch and german beers with BartJol when he was in Holland last year.04:51
BartJoland haring04:51
lelelelewow04:51
Radix-wrkhehe.. and Haring04:51
leleleleI drink lithuanian beer mostly.04:51
leleleleit is very good.04:51
leleleletoo:)04:51
leleleleI suppose all beer is good in the world :)04:52
Radix-wrkBeer is good04:52
BartJolnot all04:52
Radix-wrknot all appeals to everyone04:52
@perlmonkey2BartJol: are you a beer snob?04:52
BartJolbut the intention of beer is good04:52
BartJolperlmonkey2: no, but even I have my limits04:52
Radix-wrkBeer is liquid hope to the ugly.04:53
BartJollike bud-light04:53
Radix-wrkmost light beers are crap tho really04:53
@perlmonkey2I love light beer04:53
BartJolor doesn't that earns the label beer?04:53
@perlmonkey2you can drink it as long as you want and never get drunk04:53
Radix-wrkperlmonkey2, really?  why?04:53
* lelelele agrees perlmonkey204:53
@perlmonkey2all the while enjoying frosty goodness04:54
lelelelethough I sometimes get drunk from light beer too.04:54
* f00li5h paws at perlmonkey2 04:54
@perlmonkey2hey f00li5h :)04:54
f00li5hperlmonkey2: how's things?04:54
lelelelehi perlmonkey204:54
@perlmonkey2pretty groovy, about about you's?04:54
lelelelef00li5h you are here again :))04:54
BartJolwell, for drinking all day long it's good, but make sure it's chech something similar04:54
@perlmonkey2hello lelelele04:54
lelelelehey perlmonkey204:55
@perlmonkey2BartJol: Coors light :D04:55
BartJols drinking light beer is only allowed if you drink it all day04:55
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f00li5hlelelele: i had to go get milk... came back with $100 worth of food goods -_-04:55
lelelelewow04:55
BartJolperlmonkey2: mmmm, I am not rally sure whether I want to know you anymore04:56
leleleleand we are trolling here in terms of perl channed node f00li5h04:56
lelelele:))04:56
leleleletrollin about beer :))04:56
lelelelebut doesn't matter, we are Europe time mostly I suppose, so we are a bit relaxed.04:56
Radix-wrkyou guys all php advocates or something?04:56
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f00li5hi wish i had european beer!04:56
@perlmonkey2BartJol => beeristocat04:56
BartJoltomorrow the subject will prolly be elections04:56
SDuensinBartJol - I hope not.  I'm sick of it.04:57
Radix-wrkWill you vote though - that's the question..04:57
Radix-wrkhere we're forced to vote04:58
SDuensinIf I get home in time.04:58
@perlmonkey2forced to vote?  how strange04:58
lelelelef00li5h : I have one, would like to give it to you, for some food goods from your basket...04:58
Radix-wrkif you don't vote you get fined04:58
BartJolperlmonkey2: yeah yeah, go ahead with your impressive booming voice, but you'll have to talk louther if you want to get me shaking04:58
@perlmonkey2that is nuts04:58
SDuensinThey're all crooks though.  Sucks having to pick the lesser of two evils.04:58
@perlmonkey2BartJol: :P04:58
f00li5hlelelele: you are going to give me food goods?04:58
Radix-wrkvoting occurs on a weekend tho - so everyone can do it.. and we have absentee voting if you're not able to make it to a polling booth on the day04:58
@perlmonkey2BartJol: I can't be too scary if I like light beer04:58
f00li5hlelelele: liquid breakfast!04:59
Radix-wrkYou guys are making me thirsty!04:59
lelelelef00li5h : just one Lithuanian beer candle. 04:59
lelelelehah:)04:59
Radix-wrkjust going on lunchtime here too.. one hour before the big race04:59
leleleleok will be fine for my little sister f00li5h :)04:59
leleleleI personally prefered some american chocolade :D05:00
f00li5hamerican chocolate?05:00
lelelelenot snickers/rafaelo/etc what is plenty in Europe :)05:00
f00li5hoh! i have british candy, does that count?05:00
Radix-wrkbelgian chocolates are the best05:00
leleleleyes, smth like with ment05:00
leleleleI know one very tasty05:00
@perlmonkey2okay, the best mass produced ale ever made, Sam Adams Boston05:00
lelelelewe dont have it here :)05:00
lelelelementhol05:00
Radix-wrknor here05:01
BartJolperlmonkey2: it's not the physical part, only the menatl one, that someone confinced you you like it, they can convince you of everything05:01
Radix-wrkLittle Creatures Pale Ale is a very nice local beer where I am ;)05:01
leleleleok05:01
leleleleit was fantastic night with you05:01
@perlmonkey2BartJol: I am a sheeple for beer, or more commonly know as a beeple.05:01
lelelelebut before I get up 10am05:01
leleleleI need to sleep 5hours and counting05:02
lelelelebye mates!05:02
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BartJolwell, that's one lost soul05:02
SDuensinhehe05:02
SDuensinHe has some technology issues to work out.  :-)05:03
BartJolallthough I got the feeling he liked us...05:03
SDuensinHow could you not!?05:03
@perlmonkey2if he is serious about his goals, he'll probably be back.05:03
BartJolhe even had a conversation with JT, and was not apalled with his "directness"05:04
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Radix-wrkheh05:04
@perlmonkey2wow, Obama is trading $9.10 for a $10 contract or 91% chance to win.05:05
@perlmonkey2seems like easy money05:05
BartJoleeeh05:06
Radix-wrkDoes sound like he's won.  But it all depends on who hits the polling booths on the day.05:06
BartJollike, really buying people to vote for him?05:06
Radix-wrkheh.. I suspect those are the odds for a bet05:07
BartJolRadix-wrk: well, normally a democracy work like that, but in the USA?05:07
@perlmonkey2BartJol: a contract market on who will win.05:07
BartJollike a bet?05:07
@perlmonkey2McCain is trading at $.90 for a $10 contract05:08
@perlmonkey2yes, except they call it a market contract05:08
BartJolthat's horrible that it is even legal05:08
@perlmonkey2you are trading $10 contracts that pay 0 if the terms fail or $10 if they meet.05:08
Radix-wrkIn the USA - anything is possible.. heck it's possible for a young black boy to turn into an old white woman. (Michael Jackson)05:08
SDuensinIt's like a football pool.05:08
BartJolyeah, that is given me a lot of trust on US politics...05:11
BartJols/is/has/05:11
* SDuensin is in the USA. Imagine the trust he has.05:11
Radix-wrkheh05:12
@perlmonkey2the system is horribly broken.05:12
SDuensinAnd massively corrupt.05:13
BartJolDutch politics isn't all that, don't get strange ideas about that, but I think I've got more choice than in the US05:13
Radix-wrkhttp://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-11-03.gif05:14
BartJolbut it is always choosing between a vaginal douche and a turd sandwich...05:14
SDuensinHey, I don't remember you guys starting a war to protect your personal oil interests.  Can't be THAT bad.05:15
@perlmonkey2BartJol: Oh come on, we have a Chicago Politician (a pejorative) or a Good ol boy Republican (also a perjorative) to choose from.  See, that is choice.05:15
BartJolSDuensin: no, we just join you to remain friends, allthough we have not that many troups, just send them to win friendship from the UK and US05:18
BartJolgovernments that is05:19
@perlmonkey2BartJol: you didn't have to do that, I already consider us friends :)05:19
BartJolyeay, me and you, but our governments??05:19
BartJolI don't question all US people05:19
BartJolonly the "board" from the last..... let's say 8 years05:20
@perlmonkey2the "board"?05:21
@perlmonkey2what is that?05:21
BartJolperlmonkey2: do you think that things will get better with one of the two president cannidates05:22
BartJol?05:22
BartJolthe bush administration perlmonkey205:22
BartJolnot directly the senate05:22
@perlmonkey2no05:23
@perlmonkey2I think things will get worse05:23
@perlmonkey2regardless05:23
BartJolbut is that just a economic fluctuation problem or more fundamental?05:24
BartJolwhere do your concerns are eventually?05:24
@perlmonkey2I think the last 8 years have brought incredible new levels of corruption to government.  That will not easily be reversed.05:24
@perlmonkey2Not unless Patrick Fitzgerald is given a secretarily position to police Congress :P05:25
BartJolso a lot of "supporting"people stay or is it a trend to be bribable?05:26
BartJolstay after the elections05:26
@perlmonkey2the political appoitments will mostly all change05:27
BartJoland bribable has more meanings than just money05:27
@perlmonkey2I think the corruption is mostly limited to upper government.  There are pretty good checks on the little people.05:27
BartJolso you expect both candidates to keep that intact?05:29
@perlmonkey2How would the president police congress?  impossible.05:29
BartJols/that/the crruptness/05:29
SDuensinOur government needs rebooted.05:30
BartJolI would like to say thta "sense" would be an answer05:30
@perlmonkey2BartJol: here is why this is.  Congress approval ratings are at an all time low.  At one point they were in the single digits.  Yes in the Senate only 8 of the 33 seats up are even contested.05:32
@perlmonkey2incumbants just don't lose very often no matter what they do.05:32
BartJolbut if you want to chance other people (than US) you should chance yourself (not meant  personally), personally I think a good learning and health program would be a priority05:33
@perlmonkey2bah we can get nothing done until the corruption is dealt with.  anything done now will be half-assed and full of bribery and payoffs.05:34
BartJolself sustaining economy would be a help to, instead of just robbing other countries of oil05:34
BartJolsorry perlmonkey2, my english is not good enough to really get what you meant with:Congress approval ratings are at an all time low.  At one point they were in the single digits.  Yes in the Senate only 8 of the 33 seats up are even contested.05:36
@perlmonkey2s/Yes/yet/05:36
SDuensinIt's win-win over here.  Our "leaders" have personal oil interests *and* private military interests.  Go fight over oil and you make money no matter what.05:36
@perlmonkey2The Senate (one of the two houses of congress) only 8 people have a chance of losing their seats to a challenger.05:36
BartJolis that in general?05:38
BartJolno, apparently05:39
@perlmonkey2no, in general it is a lot less.  In a normal year, it would be almost impossible to lose your seat in congress.05:39
@perlmonkey2so once elected they can be as criminal as they want with little chance of consequences.05:39
SDuensinRemember, if "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?  :-)05:40
@perlmonkey2Don't get me wrong.  There is a lesser of two evils to pick from.05:40
BartJolah, here a new president is (normally) chosen from the political group that had the highest percentage of the votes, but the congress is renewed as a result from the votes05:41
BartJolbut we have 10+ "groups"05:42
BartJolin our congress, there's even one that just focusses om protection of animals05:43
BartJolthey have only 1 seat though05:43
BartJolbut, just keep hope, for now... I just go to bed05:45
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dionakelection tomorrow...the end of the bush era coming...06:10
dionaki, for one, am so excited!06:10
@preactionit may not be the end of the bush era, mccain may get elected ;-)06:10
dionaktrue...but still.06:11
dionaki really think obama will come out on top. we'll see06:11
dionaknever know. 06:11
@preactionhttp://www.truthout.org/110308A <- let's hope Obama wins06:12
dionakthe last two prez elections i've stayed up all night to see the results. i'm finally taking the next day off to get some rest06:12
dionaklet's hope not...06:14
apeironheh06:14
apeironIt's bloody illegal to remove felons from the voter registration. =\06:14
apeironOr... was.06:14
dionakduring election, i yell at the tele like others do at football games in the us. if it gets close, i'll lose my voice. ;)06:14
@preactionthat hasn't stopped the GOP in the last two presidential elections06:15
apeironpreaction, Well, yeah. "If we can't win, we'll cheat!"06:15
dionakthere's already so much misinformation. like if you have a traffic ticket, you can't vote. 06:15
dionakit's ridiculous. 06:15
apeironYeah. All that's just total bull.06:16
apeironSee also: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/air-force-aims.html06:16
dionakyea, true but it's believed06:16
apeiron^ the USAF can't beat the people attacking their sites so they want to literally redesign TCP/IP06:16
apeironThat'll go over really well with the rest of the world.06:17
apeiron(for once I am thankful that businesses own our government, they won't stand for this)06:17
dionaki've gotten at least 8 calls in the last 72 hours regarding voting06:17
apeironheh06:17
dionakit's almost silly06:17
dionaki've stopped answering06:17
* apeiron spent about 15 hours this weekend doing so06:17
apeironThat was quite the educational experience. I learned where the money goes in a campaign.06:18
apeiron$400+ USD/day in just pizza. For one facility. Not counting phones or anything else.06:19
dionakit's amazing how out of touch most americans are that they believe this misinformation. the internet should really be freely available to everyone so they can do their research.06:19
apeironyes, well06:19
apeironTypical American big business doesn't see things the way we hippies do. :)06:19
dionakyea, we have biz acquaintances that make mad money on campaigns. quite amazing really that a biz model can be based on re-election.06:20
dionakshows the machine quality of re-election, and the money behind it06:20
apeironThat's... quite a lot of trust.06:20
dionakobama has been campaigning for two years. imagine the capital behind that06:21
apeironBillions.06:21
apeironEasily.06:21
dionakyea, silly $$ really06:21
apeironBut you know what? It's money that's feeding our businesses, feeding our economy.06:22
dionaktrue06:22
apeironThey say war's great for the economy. We've got the war here that's the exception to the rule. I'd go so far to say that the campaigning is what's kept this country the milimeter it is from the economic grave.06:23
dionaki think the exception is because of the interdependency of the global economy.06:23
apeironAnd if you look back in history at all the previous elections, this one is *huge*. All the candidates are spending enormous amounts of money on absolutely everything.06:24
dionakyea, it just keeps growing06:24
dionakobama has set a record06:24
apeironoh yeah, I heard about that.06:24
apeironI've seen several images around the net about his spending policy, his inexperience. One compares Clinton to Bush 1 and 2 and Reagan. Clinton was tax + spend: surplus. The rest: huge deficit.06:25
apeironThe other one is a picture of Lincoln with the text "inexperienced Illinois senator" on the bottom.06:26
apeiron(the latter is on cafepress if you're interested)06:26
dionakeither way, mcain + pailn just frickin' scares me. mostly her06:27
apeironyes. Especially considering McCain's health, we're quite possibly literally a breath away from Palin for President.06:28
dionaklove tina fey tho. !!06:28
dionakexactly! that's why it's so scary! 06:28
apeironI had a teacher in high school, six years ago (yes, I'm young) who made an interesting remark. He had said that no nation lasts forever.06:29
dionaki say tina faye for prez rather than sarah. did you catch the prank on youtube?06:29
apeironAnd that there's a growing number of similarities between the US and Rome when it fell.06:29
dionakgood point. smart teacher06:29
apeironNo, links?06:29
dionakyea, i've heard the relation. just a sec06:30
dionakhonestly, i couldn't watch it all. thought it was a little cruel06:30
apeironheh. 06:31
dionakhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMV0LKlVj8I06:31
* apeiron *click*06:31
dionakshe and her staff sound so excited, then confused...then disappointed..06:31
apeironheh06:32
apeironHave you heard what the McCain campaign is doing now?06:32
dionakidk, their strategy hasn't changed much06:32
apeironThey're actually using automated bots to call people and play clips of *Hillary* talking trash about Obama.06:33
@preactionyeah, By Any Means Necessary doesn't really lend a supporting strategy06:33
apeiron"maybe in eight years" /me shudders06:33
dionaki recently heard the robocalls statistically have no effect...06:33
dionaknpr06:33
apeironProbably not. But still, it's really low.06:34
apeironbahaha "I can see Belgium"06:34
apeiron.... wait wat06:34
dionakhave you been watching snl?06:34
dionaklol06:34
apeironNo TV for me.06:34
dionakoh, nbc.com06:34
apeironIt's more a choice thing than anything else.06:35
apeironChoice / principle.06:35
dionaktv?06:35
apeironToo much conservativism / DMCA for me.06:35
apeironbahahaha, fox news06:36
apeiron++06:36
dionakapeiron, good to know we have something in common. an interest in us politics06:37
apeironYou know, I used to be quite apolitical. Then I heard about net neutrality.06:38
dionaklol06:41
apeironhm?06:41
dionaknet neutrality is so controversial that it can't help but motivate us geeks06:42
dionakif it doesn't motivate us, there's something seriously wrong06:42
apeironOh yes.06:42
dionakglad it inspired you06:42
apeironI saw a lot of merchandise on cafepress with a slogan that says "if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention". So so so true.06:44
dionakyea, so true.06:44
dionakok, i'm out. got to get some EST rest before the big day06:44
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SDuensinGreetings.16:14
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@perlmonkey2howdy SDuensin17:07
SDuensinHey perlmonkey2 17:09
carograymorning17:10
carograyeditor just deleted a collaboration system trying to delete a thread17:10
carograyI can find it when I search but no other way17:11
* SDuensin is still playing with Things.17:11
carograynot in any directory17:11
carograyany clues to restoring collaboration system that is still there in some form somehow?17:11
ryuu_rocarogray: isn't it in your trashbin?17:12
carograynot in mine and not in system17:12
ryuu_rohmm, that sucks17:12
carograyyou betcha17:12
carograywanted to go live this week17:12
carograyI put in a login request... just thought if anyone were around now I might figure it out sooner17:13
@perlmonkey2rizen: any useful utility scripts I write, can they just be added to tools?17:14
@perlmonkey2For instance a script that changes the archive on date for all the CS's in a conf?17:14
@rizenthat's probably better to be released into the bazaar17:14
@perlmonkey2okay17:15
@rizennot that you couldn't also put it in tools17:15
@rizenbut that one could definitely be useful to other peeps17:15
@perlmonkey2yeah, would be groovy for the bazaar and that's probably where people will lok first.17:15
carograyoddly enough when I find it in search, I add the ?op=assetManager;method=manage I end up in clipboard17:15
carograyoh!  17:15
@rizenthe tools folder in svn was originally only for our release management tools17:15
carograycheck system clipboard and there it is! Hallelujah.17:15
@rizenbut it's kind of been corrupted over the years17:16
carograynever mind17:16
ryuu_rocarogray: good times!17:16
@perlmonkey2 rizen maybe a new dir for just utilities?17:17
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@rizenperlmonkey2: when it becomes a problem, then we'll worry about it17:19
SDuensinHey rizen, is "Thingy" production-worthy in 7.5.31, or should I wait?17:21
@rizenyes it is17:21
@rizenwe're using it in a few places17:21
SDuensinJust kinda gunshy after last night.  I *really* want to use it for a lot of management functions though.17:22
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@rizenpatspam are you here?17:43
@perlmonkey2rizen: it'd be 2:50 in the morning there17:50
@rizenthat doesn't mean anything...this is patspam we're talking about17:51
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@rizenok then, i have a quick poll for the devs that are here:17:55
@rizenWebGUI::Crud's update() method requires that you pass in a hash reference of properties to set17:56
SDuensinThey all say "yes" - rename the "Advertising" icon!   :-P17:56
@rizenthis hash reference is then used to update the database table and WebGUI::Crud's internal data structures17:56
@rizenit therefore deletes any elements from the hash reference that are not part of it's definition17:57
@rizenthis could either be a bug or a feature17:57
@rizenthe other day this thing hit me because it deleted that element from my hash17:58
@rizenthe thing was, i was jury rigging something...so it basically caught me jury rigging and said "you shouldn't do that"17:58
@rizenso from that vantage point it's a feature17:58
@rizenon the other hand, i could make a copy of the hash reference that you pass in17:58
@rizenwhich is less efficient than just using the hash reference17:59
@rizenand then delete what i need to delete from the copy17:59
@rizenthusly you'd never run into this problem17:59
@rizenif we keep the first way, this will of course be documented in the pod17:59
@rizenso my question to you is, which makes more sense?17:59
@rizendelete from the hash ref, or copy the hash ref?18:00
@preactionkeep it how it is. if they really need to maintain the integrity of their data hashref they can make a new hashref themselves18:00
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8247 /tools/updateCollaborationArchiveDate.pl: New script that will update all the collab systems for a site (or all sites) to archive after a given period18:06
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topsubcan i get the userId  from.. ^User(userId); ?18:12
@rizenyup18:14
@rizeni think that ^#; also does it18:14
topsubHere is a better idea. I can put a macro call inside the sql reports right?18:24
topsubThat way i can say like where userId = ^#():?18:24
topsubah yep this seems like its working18:24
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elninogood morning! I have 7.5.24, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a question on a survey with check boxes, so that people can select more than one answer. Is that possible?18:28
elninolooking at the webgui site, this feature has seemed to be missing since 2005?18:32
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topsubThrew the inbox system how can i send a message to a group?18:41
@preactionWebGUI::Mail::Send18:41
topsubI mean is there a way by default18:41
topsubnot doing anything custom18:41
@preactiongo into the Group manager, click on a group, look for "Send an Email to group"18:42
topsubhmm will this show up as an "inbox" item?18:44
topsubnot just email them?18:44
@preactionnot sure, try it?18:44
topsubthe private message system we want to send a message to everyone not email.18:44
topsubhmm doesn't seem like it. that really just emails them18:47
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knowmadrizen: want to hold this SEO conversation in realtime instead of via RFE?18:55
@rizenfor pink slips?18:55
knowmadyou're on, buddy!18:55
@rizeni don't think that anybody uses pink slips anymore18:56
knowmadso how do i get keywords field into the meta tags? i don't see any template variables for putting it in there18:56
@rizenthe title to my car is white paper with blue text18:56
knowmad(that's why i was so quick to agree)18:56
@rizenheh18:56
@rizenyou don't need template variables18:56
@rizenjust type keywords18:56
@rizenand they automatically create a metatag in the head block18:57
elninorizen: i had to add: <meta etc...18:57
knowmadoh18:57
@rizenelnino: that's cuz you aren't using the keywords field18:57
@rizenyou're using the raw head tags field18:57
knowmadhmm, i don't like it; seems too much like action at a distance18:57
elninowhat version puts the metatag in?18:57
knowmad7.5.x18:57
knowmadi'd guess since that's when the new field was added to the metadata tab for all assets18:58
@rizenknowmad, whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that's how it works18:58
@rizenyou said you wanted the easy way18:58
knowmadok, i'll take it up with template designers but it only addresses 50% of my RFE18:58
@rizento add keywords to the head block18:58
knowmadLOL, you got me there18:58
@rizensomething that a normal user could do18:58
@rizenit can't be any easier than that18:58
elninowhat about the description metatag?18:59
@rizenthe synopsis (summary) field is supposed to do that, but it doesn't appear to be working18:59
knowmadbut i'm a control freak and want to be able to place my keywords into the head block using a template variable18:59
@rizenso that's a bug report that needs to be field18:59
@rizenfiled18:59
knowmadoh, okay; i can do that18:59
@rizenknowmad...then do it one of the 10 other ways that webgui allows you to do it18:59
elninooh. I thought the summary field was for synopis on navigation assets...18:59
knowmadelnino: it's for that also19:00
elninooh.19:00
knowmadand search results19:00
@rizenelnino, synopsis is for many things19:00
knowmadso why didn't I know about this behavior of keywords?19:01
@rizenknowmad: this is why i said in the ticket that maybe we should have a chapter on SEO in the book19:02
@rizenin the CM guide19:02
knowmadwith keywords, it's my own fault for not reading the help text19:02
elninothat would be great. Because even the hover19:02
knowmadI do agree about a chapter in CM Guide19:02
elninodoesn't elude to what you say those two fields do.19:02
knowmadactually it does for keywords but not for synopsis19:03
elninoyou;r right! =)19:03
@rizenand as i said, synopsis is both broken and used for a lot of things19:03
@rizenit can't possibly give you a list of all the things it's used in19:03
knowmadbut a few of the main ones wouldn't hurt ;)19:04
@rizenknowmad: does this mean i get your pink?19:04
knowmadno, the bug saved me19:05
elninoknowmad - re seo. Something I brought upto tiffany, is having a19:05
elninoseparate title meta field, as opposed to using the title field on the asset.19:06
elninoI have a really cool macro19:06
elninothat checks to see if a title has been defined in the "extra head field" and if it exissts19:06
knowmadyes, we're seeing similar needs19:06
elninoit doesn't print out the title field19:06
knowmadoh, that's interesting19:06
elninoif one doesn't exists, it uses the asset's title19:06
elninoI've been meaning to post it.19:07
knowmadi could see where the Metadata tab would have an SEO section with the synopsis, title and keywords sections; if the title is not defined, it could use the Page Layout or asset title19:07
knowmadthanks for sharing19:07
elninothat's what I thought the metadata tab was for, only to find out it wasnt'., back in the 7.3x days.19:09
@rizendon't confuse metadata with meta tags19:10
elninoI know, that's what confused me.. The similarity in the name.19:10
elninoI know now. =)19:10
elninoI wouldn't be surprised if others got them confused.  meta DATA being all that is included in the different meta TAGS.19:11
knowmadyeah, those caught me up at first also 19:11
@rizeni wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't know what the title field is for19:11
elninoknowmad, would you like that macro?19:12
@rizenthat's why in 7.6 you can now rename all fields and all tabs to be whatever you want them to be19:13
knowmadelnino: thanks. i don't have a need for it now but it's good to know you've developed it19:13
knowmadthat's a nice touch19:13
knowmadbug report added19:16
elninothanks knowmad19:16
elnino I have 7.5.24, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a question on a survey with check boxes, so that people can select more than one answer. Is that possible? I could have sworn I've seen somewhere.. maybe it was in "thingy". but I need it in the survey.19:17
elninorizen what is the size of the keywords field?19:17
@rizenprobably 25519:19
knowmadrizen: i've altered the RFE to request access to the description and keywords via template variables; i've given 2 reasons why it's "a good thing"19:19
@preactioni think it gets processed and parsed, so it might be unlimited19:19
@rizenthere isn't really a specific length because keywords aren't really stored in a single field in the database19:20
@rizenbut the form element itself might have a max length set19:20
knowmadis there a limit in HTML specs?19:20
@rizenknowmad: it will be rejected19:20
@preactionno, but the <meta name="keywords"> isn't really used anymore19:20
knowmadwhy?19:20
@rizenbecause i disagree19:21
elninoknowmad: there isn['t a limit in the html specs but there are recommendations of so many "terms"19:21
knowmadthat's unreasonable19:21
@rizeni'm unreasonable19:21
knowmadlike i said...19:21
@rizennow if you had said "synopsis" and "keywords" then i might agree19:21
@rizenbut description...not going to happen19:21
knowmadoh, i'm saying the wrong thing19:22
knowmadi meant synopsis19:22
elninokeywords are used, just not as important in search engines as it was once.19:22
@rizenyou better hurry and update your RFE before i reject it then19:22
knowmadit's the SEO stuff that, although search engines don't necessarily rely on, my clients want19:22
knowmadgoing...19:22
elninosame here.19:22
@rizeni'm probably still going to reject it19:22
@rizenjust cuz it will make you angry19:23
elninoif marketing thinks it's important....19:23
@preactionthey only think it's important because they're idiots19:23
knowmadthen i'll have dionak submit19:23
elninopreaction =)19:23
knowmadi know you like her better anyhow19:23
@rizendamn, i can't resist diona19:23
@rizen=)19:23
knowmadi knew it :)19:23
@preactionSEO is snake-oil. if you're already following W3's guidelines on how to create accessible, proper sites then you have all the SEO you need19:24
* preaction insert counter-rhetoric here19:24
* rizen must t-r-y to resist diona19:25
knowmadpreaction: i generally agree; we're not selling it just accomodating the client who want to use it19:25
elninowhich rfe are you guys talking about? I only see the bug report.19:25
knowmad#903619:26
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knowmadrizen: you're getting v-e-r-y sleepy; cannot resist dionak's demands...19:26
knowmadpoof, there she is19:27
@rizennoooooooooOOOOOOO! diona is my kryptonite19:27
dionakhm, my ears were burning19:27
knowmadi've threatened to put you after him if he doesn't approve my RFE (#9036)19:27
knowmadi knew he wouldn't say no to you :)19:27
knowmadit's lunchtime!19:28
knowmadttyl19:28
dionakyea, rizen finds my voice irresistable. 19:28
dionaklol19:29
elninoanyone know when checkboxes will be added to the survey? I"m using 7.5.24, and they aren't in there. I tried every question type.19:32
@rizen7.6.319:33
@rizensurvey is completely rewritten19:33
@rizenand contains multi-answer types19:33
elninois there a way to have two instances of webgui installed?19:34
elninoon the same server. 19:34
elninooh. 7.6.3 sin't out yet...19:35
elninoand if I remember correctly, 76 sn't stable until jan?19:36
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@rizenthere is a way to do it, but neither i nor any of my staff would ever tell you how to do it19:41
@rizenbecause it's just a very terrible idea19:42
@rizenyes, 7.6 will be stable in january19:42
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elninoI won't hold you to the terrible idea.. I would like hear it, because by boss needs something now. Otherwise, we'll just use survey monkey. =(19:43
elninoI could probably just write one.. but that would be a waste of time, since you guys rewrote it all.19:44
@rizenelnino...seriously, i'm not going to tell you19:45
@rizenit's so bad that i'd rather you use survey monkey19:45
@rizenit = installing 2 webgui's on the same production server, not the new survey in 7.619:45
elninoif it's installing manually and changing the default installation location (from /data).. I've done that - our product is runnign that way... and I suspect that is what you were going to tell me....19:46
@rizenthat's not what i was going to tell you19:47
@rizenand even if it was, i still wouldn't admit it19:47
@rizendon't do it19:47
@rizenyou are in for a nightmare19:47
elninoI know.19:47
elninoand top it off, i did it on a 64 bit machine.19:48
topsubsending message threw inbox has agroupId so that means i can send a message to everyone in a group?20:08
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+perlDreamerShould the sitemap generator create a sitemap for this url:  www.example.com/sitemap.xml/page2 ?22:12
@rizenno22:13
@rizendid frank mess up his regex?22:13
@rizenand i believe it's siteindex.xml22:14
+perlDreamerIt's just missing an anchor at the end.22:14
+perlDreamer$p =~ m/siteindex\.xml/i22:14
@rizenyou fixing or should i?22:14
+perlDreamerI'll get it.22:14
@rizenpd i have some amazing news for you22:14
+perlDreamerYou can hire me?22:15
@rizeni discovered something (which you may have already known) 22:15
@rizen"theshawshankredemption" is exactly 22 characters22:15
+perlDreamerno way22:15
+perlDreamerThat's great!22:15
@rizeni used it as a test guid today22:15
@rizenin crud.t22:15
+perlDreamerWe have to do better than that22:15
+perlDreamerIt should be the UID for the root node.22:15
@rizenoooh22:15
@preactionit's sitemap.xml22:15
@rizenexcept...that could screw with backward compatibility22:16
@rizenso we'll have to wait until webgui 8 to do it22:16
+perlDreamerpreaction, that was a paste from the file22:16
@rizenpreaction? according to the spec on sitemaps.org?22:16
@preactioni was reading the FAQ on google22:16
@preactionwhich is a copy of http://sitemaps.org/protocol.php22:17
@rizenit looks like khenn is a giant fuckup then =)22:18
+perlDreamerHey now, no khenn bashing.22:24
@rizenyou know what22:24
+perlDreamerYeah.  Nice guy.  Plays second base.22:24
@rizenwe could change the parentId of the root asset to "theshawshankredemption"22:24
+perlDreamerWhat a great idea!22:25
@rizenthe problem is 2 fold though22:25
+perlDreamerbut what about backwards compatibility22:25
@rizennothing uses the parent id of root22:25
@rizenso it's not an issue22:25
@rizenhowever22:25
@rizen1) shawshank's playground is supposed to be in testing, not in the rest of webgui22:26
@rizen2) if we start using 'theshawshankredemption' out in regular webgui, then we can't use it as a testing guid22:26
@rizenwhat do you say about that mr pd?22:27
+perlDreamerShawshank is so great it can transcend it's use as solely fodder for testing in this one instance.22:27
@rizensee i was thinking we should use: thedarkknightisabadass22:28
@rizenwhich is also 22 characters22:28
@rizen=)22:28
@khenneh I had that bug fixed in one of my other 1000 copies of WebGUI.  I just pasted the wrong one =p22:28
@khennit was pointed out during the WUC22:28
+perlDreamerwhysoseriousbatmandude?22:29
@rizenhehe22:29
+perlDreamer-whysoseriousbatman-22:29
+perlDreamer--batmandude has 24 characters.  I miscounted22:29
+perlDreameridonthaveherinmypants-22:30
@rizen__why-so-serious-sa__22:30
@rizenandimgonnagiveittoem-22:31
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Bernd_perlDreamer, have you seen the patches for the UsersOnline macro?22:33
+perlDreamerNo, Bernd_.  Are they attached to the bug report?22:36
Bernd_Yes. There are two of them actually.22:36
Bernd_One is for the testing function.22:36
Bernd_The other is an upgrade script for creating a new profile field.22:36
Bernd_Let me look up the URLs...22:37
+perlDreamerI'll try to have both of them done by tonight.22:37
+perlDreamer$dayJob is keeping me very busy these days22:37
Bernd_Cool!22:37
Bernd_Me, too!22:37
Bernd_It is so stressful to be working again :-)22:37
+perlDreamerYeah22:38
Bernd_So it's the same on the other side of the globe?22:38
+perlDreamerLast Thursday, I worked 11 hours22:38
+perlDreamerI worked 5 more on Saturday22:38
+perlDreamerand on average, a 9-11 hours per day last week22:38
Bernd_And how much on Sunday?22:38
+perlDreamerI took sunday off22:38
Bernd_Sounds great...22:38
Bernd_for your employer!22:38
Bernd_Do you want me to pitty you?22:39
+perlDreamerindeed22:39
Bernd_Sunday off?22:39
+perlDreamerNo, I want you to hire me to work on wG full time22:39
Bernd_Hm, I am not sure if you would work for the salary I am able to pay.22:39
Bernd_What is your regular job then?22:39
+perlDreamerI design chips for batteries.22:40
Bernd_Chips in batteries?22:40
+perlDreamerYeah22:40
Bernd_For charging?22:40
Bernd_Or what kind of chips?22:40
+perlDreamerThey keep track of serial numbers, monitor battery safety22:40
+perlDreamerDo remaining capacity22:40
Bernd_Oh, you mean like notebook and cell phone batteries?22:40
Bernd_Does not sound too bad.22:41
Bernd_Deadline ahead?22:41
Bernd_Or what is keeping you busy?22:41
@rizenperlDreamer: i'll offer you a job for $200k per year22:41
@rizenbut i can only hire you on a limited term contract of 1 week22:41
@rizen=)22:41
Bernd_Is that a $200 000?22:41
@preactionperlbot math 200000 / 5222:42
perlbot3846.1538461538522:42
@preactionuh... i'll take it22:42
@rizenin that one week i need you to accomplish a year's worth of work22:42
@rizendo we have a deal?22:42
@preactionoh... now he says22:42
+perlDreamerBernd_: Deadline passed many weeks ago.22:42
Bernd_What is the equivalent of a year's work?22:42
+perlDreamerMy part of the chip is finished22:42
+perlDreamerbut I'm trying to help others out now22:43
@rizen40*52 hours22:43
Bernd_perlDreamer, but then time does not matter any longer!22:43
Bernd_I mean, once you have started postponing it...22:43
Bernd_you can do it again and again!22:43
Bernd_That is how we usually handle it :-)22:43
+perlDreamerOh yes it does.  They later the chip is, the more the bosses start yelling and swearing22:43
Bernd_I forgot you have a hire and fire system in the US.22:44
Bernd_Not going to take more of your time.22:44
Bernd_Need to get up early again.22:44
Bernd_But something else concerning all the devs:22:45
Bernd_Has anyone started to fix the UserList asset yet?22:45
Bernd_If not I will be trying to fix it during my train ride home on Friday.22:46
Bernd_So, anyone?22:46
+perlDreamerI don't have any plans to work on the UserList asset.  You would be doing UK a favor by fixing it for them.22:47
+perlDreamerYou would do us all a favor if you rewrote it from scratch.22:47
Bernd_Is it so bad?22:48
@preactionthere's even a Report framework you could use to rewrite it22:48
+perlDreamerI don't think it's a question of badness, just lack of goodness.22:49
Bernd_One momen, I was not talking about rewriting it.22:49
Bernd_What is the reporting framework?22:49
Bernd_Can that be done in about three hours?22:49
@preactionan experimental piece i've written, and probably not three hours, no22:49
Bernd_perlDreamer, that seems to be the same to me?!22:49
Bernd_In that case, I am only going to attempt to fix it.22:50
Bernd_Never mind.22:50
+perlDreamerIt's probably for the best.22:50
+perlDreamer(just to fix)22:50
Bernd_Alright.22:50
Bernd_Let's see how far I can get.22:50
Bernd_Good night!22:50
+perlDreamerGute Nacht22:50
nubai cant believe im reading this on wikipedia: "The issues of caging lists and other techniques of voter suppression which gave rise to many 2004 United States election voting controversies have not been addressed by further legislation or a regulatory crackdown, and are predicted by Greg Palast (an American BBC reporter who has investigated these controversies) to recur to the extent that they could swing the result.[11]"22:52
nubafrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_200822:52
nubais that accurate?22:53
@preactionyes22:53
@preaction100% accurate22:53
@preaction20% of the voters were purged from voter rolls in one state22:53
@preaction(for this election i mean, not 2004)22:53
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nubaalso, am I understanding right that this election starts today and goes on for many weeks?22:54
nubaso its not a single-day event?22:54
@preactionno, you have until 8pm most places to vote22:55
@preactiontoday22:55
@preactionthere was pre-voting, so-called "absentee ballots", but up to 50% of those are rejected for one reason or another22:55
+perlDreamernuba, it will take a while to count and double check all the counts.22:55
@preactionusually the losing candidate concedes the election tonight22:55
@preactionotherwise, yes, it will take a while22:56
nubano electronic ballot there?22:56
+perlDreamerunless he pouts and throws a fit and tries to overturn it in the courts22:56
@preactionnuba, yes, some are, but those electronic ballots have proven to be unreliable (and highly inaccurate)22:56
@preactionin fact, in one state in 04, almost 5% of the votes for Kerry were counted for Bush, which is more than the percentage bush won that state by22:57
@preactionhttp://www.truthout.org/110308A <- how mccain could win22:57
nubaI once met the guy who was responsible for the criptographic routines (signing, hashing, etc) in the brazilian electronic ballot22:57
nubathey're in production since 2000 or so.22:58
nubaand there were some people from the US coming over every once in a while to see how it was going22:58
nubaso i was hoping electronic ballots would be widely used in the US by now22:58
@Haargi don't really see the advantage to purely electronic voting22:59
nubaits been working fine here, and there are some international entities who audit the process22:59
@preactioni don't think the majority of the US has cared about democracy in a very long time22:59
apeironIdeally, electronic voting saves time. Ideally.22:59
@preactionha! international oversight is something we would NEVER accept22:59
@preactionbut it IS something that we NEED23:00
@tavistointeresting how the controversies on that wikipedia page only include the incorrect purging of voters.. I wonder why it doesn't mention anything about registering new false voters as that's clearly a controversy as well.23:00
@preactiontavisto, registering new false voters doesn't matter, as they can't vote23:00
@preactionpurging existing voters is a problem, since they can't vote23:01
@tavistoI'm aware preaction, but false votes can easily be tallied when they're pooled into provisional vote pools23:02
nubaoh just to clarify, international entities dont have sovereignity over the election process, they're just invited as independent auditors23:02
@tavistowhy do you think there was so much stink about the ACORN deal. If the votes had no chance of counting then it would make no sense to pull off the fraud.23:02
@preactionprovisional ballots don't get counted, even provisional ballots from legitimate people23:03
@Haargi don't really think electronic voting is much faster than a well designed ballot23:03
nubapreaction: (im unsure if by oversight you mean having authority over the process)23:03
@preactionnuba, i just mean auditing23:03
nubaokay23:03
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8255 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/SiteIndex.pm: anchor the URL for checking whether or not to generate a sitemap23:03
@tavistoI think WebGUI should be used for all voting machines23:03
nubahah! then by unknown reasons it turns out a guy named JT was elected....23:04
@tavistoPreaction, provisional ballots are counted but just not until a few days after the election night23:05
@tavistoso if the race is too close based on regular eligible votes then these very much affect the election.23:05
@preaction"The great unreported story of the 2004 election was that there were more than three million voters shunted to provisional ballots. Over a million (1,090,000) were never counted, just chucked in the dumpster."23:06
@tavistoThe scary thing is for the system is that the provisional votes cast really lack good methods of scrutiny and verification. According to both sides23:06
@Haargthat's not really important preaction23:06
@Haargthe reason they aren't counted is because they couldn't effect the outcome23:07
@preactionuh... those were in battleground states where kerry lost by a small margin23:07
@preactionanyway, instead of pontificating here, i'm going to go vote23:08
@tavistoYep, there were tons of votes that were tossed in 2004. If I remember right there were tons of ineligible votes for various reasons. It happens in every election. I'm not saying it's right and I'd like to see a better system.23:08
@Haargthere are lots of other problems with the voting process23:09
@tavistoabsolutely. It's one big mess.23:10
@preactionindeed, too much partisan play on both sides23:10
@tavistoabsolutely23:11
@preactionwhich is why independant international oversight / auditing would benefit us immensely23:11
@preactionin addition to spending money on better equipment23:11
@preactionthis won't happen, because partisan politics likes the fuzzy system23:11
@Haargthe equipment doesn't even need to be very complex23:11
@tavistowe need more prominent parties too. I'm tired of this left/right game.23:12
@rizeni think the voting system should just be done away with and instead the "let JT decide" initiative should be enacted23:12
@Haargwe'd probably need to get rid of plurality voting before third parties become viable23:13
@tavistoI'd like to see the constitution party grow more. (and some other parties)23:14
+perlDreamerParty at Tavisto's house23:16
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@tavistosure, I have the campaign HQ party this year in my big ole' home theater23:16
@rizentavis, you're kidding, right?23:17
@rizenabout the constitution party?23:17
@rizenthe constitution party is the equivalent of the christian taliban23:18
@rizenthey want to do away with the democracy and replace it with a government rooted in biblical law23:19
nubasounds good.23:20
@tavistono, actually I'm not kidding. But that's quite a slant you are putting to it.23:20
+perlDreamerthat's not what wikipedia says about it23:20
nubawhipping the wrongdoers? stoning them to death? AWESOME! ;)23:20
@tavistoAs any political platform expands into the mainstream it gets broader and a bit more mild23:20
@rizenit say's that right on their web site23:21
@rizenthey want a theocracy23:21
+perlDreamerlinks?23:21
@rizenhttp://www.constitutionparty.com/23:21
@rizenIt is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations.23:21
@rizenQUOTE FROM THEIR SITE23:21
@tavistobut I like several of their core values so I'd like to see them continue to grow.23:21
@rizenoops, sorry about the big letters23:21
nubawell, i guess core values rooted on christianism is something very agreeable23:22
@tavistoif you would read more into this and not jump to your 'Religilous' type response, you'd see they aren't as you're making them out to be. But they are definitely way more conservative than you'll ever vote. 23:23
nubaanother thing is having that enforced on you23:23
@rizenagreeable to whom? religion is hate speech. (not talking about belief in god, talking about organized religion)23:23
@tavistoThe proper and lawful division of governmental authority among the Federal, State and local governments was an arrangement that the Founders rightly saw as necessary to preserving freedom and justice. Only after that federal, constitutional order is restored to its proper balance can we reverse America's slide into lawlessness, corruption and tyranny.23:23
@tavistoThe Constitution Party is the only party which is completely pro-life, pro-gun, pro-American sovereignty and independence, and in favor of a strong national defense. It is also the only party that is anti-globalist, anti-free trade, anti-deindustrialization, and anti-unchecked immigration. We also oppose special rights for homosexuals, the constantly increasing expansion of unlawful police laws,and both foreign aid and milita23:23
nubarizen: i like the "be nice to your neighbour" thingy23:23
+perlDreamerLove your neighbor23:23
nubaleave his wife alone23:23
+perlDreamerTake care of the widow and the orphan23:23
nubadont take his lawnmower without asking23:23
nubathat kind of thing23:23
@tavistoyep, loving your neighbor is exactly the right phrase. And that's biblical baby.23:24
@rizenyou want to make love with my neighbor23:24
@rizeni can tell you he's not that way23:24
@tavistoI dont see the word "make" in my sentence above.23:25
@rizenhehe23:26
@tavistoBut more parties competing in our elections and in our government would be a good thing.23:26
@rizenfirst 2 sentences from their party platform: The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.23:27
@rizentell me they don't want a theocracy23:27
+perlDreamerIf Obama says that during the national prayer breakfast, I'm going to call you on it ;)23:27
@rizensecond paragraph: This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.23:27
@rizentell me they wouldn't engage in crusades23:27
nubaits a pattern, tho, that once a economic crisis sets in, people's political views swing towards, well, not very friendly parties23:28
nubalike Germany23:28
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nubaItaly23:28
nubadid23:28
@tavistoExaggeration on your part. You know Christianity and Jesus are deeply rooted in the founding of our country. And since you don't believe it sounds extreme to you.23:29
@rizenThey actually aren't deeply rooted in the founding of our country. Certainly religious freedom is. But many of the founding fathers were athiests23:30
+perlDreamerGiven how we're arguing about religion, this seems ironic: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081104/wl_nm/us_religion_dialogue23:32
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nubawell, christian values pretty much percolated thru the building of our western civilization23:33
nubain south and central america there's still plenty of mix between religion and state23:34
+perlDreamerI'm not sure rizen objects to christian values, just to theocratic extremes and religious prejudice23:34
@rizeni don't at all object to christian values23:34
@rizenor muslim values23:34
@rizenor Buddhist values23:34
@rizenvalues are a good thing23:35
@rizenmorality is a good thing23:35
@rizenextremism, in any form, is a bad thing23:35
@rizenhate is a bad thing23:35
@rizenwar is a bad thing23:35
@rizenintollerance is a bad thing23:35
nubaim uneducated about other religions' values, but I can assume they pretty much contribute to their follower's growth and I suppose at the core they're all good in providing guidelines23:35
@rizenfor the average person, i'm certain that belief in a deity helps them through the tough times23:36
@rizenbut i also know that the zealots that are in power of religious organizations23:37
@rizenoften abuse their power23:37
@rizenand their followers often follow blindly23:37
@rizenit's true of both religion and politics23:37
@rizenbecause, as i see it, they are the same23:37
nubathat could be said of sports fanatics to some extent, too23:38
nubathe masses23:38
nubasome people know how to play 'em23:38
@tavistoI think that's a load of crap. While you might see that on a black/white level23:38
nubaand these are dangerous guys23:38
@tavistomy relationship with Jesus and God is not followed blindly and it surely isn't something on a level as my political beliefs.23:39
juani have the next error when i run the next job Send Queued Email Messages Every 5 Minutes23:40
juanhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m3310949623:40
juanso i have many email stored in my database23:40
nubaoops. a on-topic issue! dammit. just when religious debate was about to get interesting!... ;)23:40
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@preactionif a workflow is undefined, it might mean the workflow is disabled23:42
elninopreaction: registering false voters DOES matter - they don't do checking afterwards, nor do they tie the ballot to a person, so they can't throw the vote out if they find out that it was an illegal vote. It gets counted!23:43
juanthe workflow is enabled23:43
@preactionelnino, i'm just saying that the person has to show a photo ID at the polling place, you can't just register and have a vote count, you have to have a person to vote23:44
@preactionthere is the mail-in / provisional thing as well, yes23:44
@preactionboth of those loopholes need to be closed. both to count bad votes or to deny good ones23:45
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@rizentavisto: i said nothing about your relationship with god23:45
@rizeni was talking about your relationship with your religion23:45
@rizenthey are two different things23:45
@preactioni would say, like the criminal justice system, if we have to choose, it's better to let bad votes in than to let good votes die23:45
elninoI dont' want international oversight on our voting. What the international want is not necessarily good for US. - just a little late in this non-webgui related conversation- go vote if you haven't! 23:45
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@tavistoRizen, we dont need to repeat this debate considering you and I have a history of like 15 years of doing it.23:49
@tavistoJust realize, you're wrong, go to church blindly and be a sheep as you suggest, and join the constitutional party. The world will be a better place. Amen23:50
@tavistoOooh and release the new matrix so I can get more ad money. Amen23:51
elninoI don't know. Our govenement was build with checks and balances in it. With a democratic majority in the house and senate, it only makes sense to have a republican in place for the "check and balance" The majority of the "work" of the governement is done in congress. 23:51
+perlDreamerYeah, new Matrix23:51
@tavistoooh and I want a pony. amen23:51
elninopreaction - yes, ID should be shown, that would help. I"m still catching up on the thread  =)23:52
elninothere is a lot to be improved upon, but the system was designed very well - kudo to our founding fathers.23:53
* preaction going voting23:53
@rizentavisto: just agree that religion must die for humanity to survive and i'll buy you a pony and release matrix 2.0. =)23:53
@tavistohumanity won't survive. There's an end to it. And then there could be more depending on the choices you make while you (and it) is here.23:55
@tavistoBut maybe perldreamer would agree to that so we can get the new matrix.23:56
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+perlDreamerBartJol, I have an i18n bug for you to fix00:00
BartJolfor me?00:00
BartJolok00:00
+perlDreamerI keep getting your vacation email notice in Dutch00:00
+perlDreamerIt needs to do an IP check on the respondant and send them an appropriately i18n'ed message ;)00:01
BartJolstrange, mormally it is send only once00:01
BartJol:)00:01
+perlDreamerYes, once per vacation.00:01
+perlDreamerThat means twice in 3 months00:01
BartJolyou donn't wanna know that I'm free?00:01
+perlDreamerFree?00:02
+perlDreamerLike no cost?00:02
+perlDreameror not working?00:02
BartJolnot working00:02
BartJolnormally I'm not that expensive00:02
BartJoldepends on the job00:02
+perlDreamerI might need a low-cost website design.  You interested?00:03
BartJolif you want it to be visible it was cheap, I might be you man00:03
BartJoldepends also whther you arrange it via ProcoliX or not00:04
+perlDreamerKoen will charge me karma for it, so might be best to work with you directly ;)00:04
* perlDreamer heads to the showers, bbl00:05
BartJolso you have plenty of time and want a really ugly design?00:05
+perlDreamerugly design?  I thought you were a designer who became a programmer?00:05
BartJolno a translator00:05
+perlDreameroh00:06
BartJolbut I have designed a website00:06
BartJoland my own: www.bartjol.nl and webgui.bartjol.nl00:06
+perlDreamerdude, you have hair in that picture!00:07
+perlDreamerok, I'm really going to the showers now00:07
@rizenok need opinion quick from devs that are here00:10
@rizeni'm thinking about rewriting the SyndicatedContent asset this weekend00:10
@rizenjust for something to do00:10
@rizenand i'm trying to decide between two modules:00:11
@rizenhttp://search.cpan.org/~kawasaki/XML-FeedPP-0.36/lib/XML/FeedPP.pm00:11
@rizenhttp://search.cpan.org/~simonw/XML-Feed-0.23/lib/XML/Feed.pm00:11
@rizenthe first is a pure perl version00:11
@rizenthe second relies on a dozen or so other libraries00:11
@rizenthe first is slower than the second, not that it really matters for our purposes00:12
BartJolmmm, I'm not dev enough, but I do have a night of election news to go00:12
@rizenthe first is a self contained, small module, the second is enormous00:12
@rizenthe second may be more standards compliant, because it's built on the shoulders of giants00:12
@rizenthey both seem equally easy to use00:13
@rizenboth support RSS 2, 1, .900:13
@rizenboth support Atom feeds00:13
@rizenthe programmer in me tells me to use the one that uses a billion modules00:13
@rizenthe sys admin in me tells me to use the pure perl one because it will use a lot less memory00:14
@preactionwhich of those dozen do we already use?00:14
@rizenwe use about 1/3 of the dozen00:14
@rizenmaybe as much as 1/200:14
@rizenbut certainly not more than that00:14
@HaargXML::Atom doesn't want to install for me00:15
@rizeni got both to install00:16
@rizenhowever XML::Atom does look like a pile00:16
@rizenany thoughts, opinions, scathing rebuttle?00:17
@preactionheh, simonw just uploaded XML::Feed 0.3 :: [16:17] * CPAN2 upload: XML-Feed-0.3 by SIMONW00:17
@rizenoh and the reason i'm talking about using these two because they both have a super sweet way of merging feeds00:18
@preactiondepending on the amount used, most likely the XML::Feed will be more advantageous than the PP one00:18
@rizenand because they both support both RSS and Atom00:18
@preactioner.. amount of memory used00:18
@preactiondo those modules also generate feeds?00:19
@rizeni guess i could write a script that tries them both out and see how big the memory difference is00:19
@rizenyes00:19
@preactionso whichever wins we can remove some of the other RSS modules once we create the RSSCapable aspect00:19
@preactionso the total memory use might remain the same with the bigger one00:20
@rizenyes00:20
@rizenwe'll be removing all the other RSS modules00:20
@rizenbut that has nothing to do with which one we choose00:20
@rizenor at least shouldn't00:21
@rizeni'm going to quickly write a script for each00:21
@rizenand see how they do00:21
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@rizenok so XML::Feed is 25% larger than XML::FeedPP00:32
@rizeni suppose i should factor out perl's memory usage before i give that percentage00:32
@rizenhold please00:32
@rizenok on a simple script XML::Feed is 30% larger than FeedPP00:34
@rizenhowever00:35
@rizenXML::Feed lazyloads it's prereqs00:35
@rizenwhich means that in practice it will get bigger00:35
@HaargXML::Feed also monkey patches XML::Atom00:35
@rizenXML::Feed appears to be a good module...but unfortunately it's prereq libraries are pretty terrible00:36
@rizenok from this overwhelming response, i'm going with XML::FeedPP00:37
@preactionhow much slower is it? just a bit or quite a bit?00:37
@rizenboth Haarg and I are leaning that way, and it appears to just be better00:37
@rizennot noticably00:38
@rizenboth scripts run in under a second00:38
@rizenthe reason i said it would be slower is simply because it's pure perl00:38
@preactiongood enough for me then00:38
@rizenbut i'll do a Time::HiRes check on them both right now00:38
@rizento see00:38
@preactionuse Benchmark instead?00:38
@preactionit's easier, imho00:38
voteobamaHow large is the test data set, though?00:39
@rizenok at least on a quick test the pp one is nearly half a second faster00:43
@preactionshould the syndicated content asset be checking for cache integrity? as in, if the cache returns a bad object, the syndicated content asset dies (and takes the rest of the page with it)00:44
+perlDreamerhow about if it just logs a message and sends an email to doug@plainblack.com instead?00:45
@preactionare you threatening me? i'll have your head for this!00:45
@rizenXML::Feed time: 0.23606800:45
@rizenXML::FeedPP time: 0.05243500:46
@rizenthat's after taking network out of it00:46
@preactiondear jesus00:46
+perlDreamerHas anyone rated the two modules on CPAN?00:46
@rizenjust loading the file from the filesystem00:46
@rizenboth are rated00:46
+perlDreamerAre there bugs logged against them that are regularly fixed?00:46
@rizenboth have open bugs00:47
+perlDreamerTests suites?  CPAN smoke results?00:47
@rizenboth see regular fixes00:47
@rizenthough PP is fixed more regularly00:47
@rizenbut it's also newer00:47
@rizenso that's to be expected00:47
@rizenboth have nice test suites00:48
@preactioni put my vote in for XML::FeedPP00:48
@rizenthough PP has way more tests00:48
+perlDreamerXML::FeedPP++00:48
@preactionwell, it also handles more internally, as opposed to relying on external modules (which have their own test suites)00:48
@rizenboth pass on over 20 systems00:48
@rizentrue preaction00:49
@rizenok XML::FeedPP it is00:49
@rizenseems to have votes from everyone who has chimed in00:49
+perlDreamerhm00:50
+perlDreamer9 devs in the room00:50
+perlDreamer3 votes00:50
+perlDreamer33% turnout00:50
@preaction400:50
+perlDreamer4?00:50
@preactionmy vote counts damnit00:50
+perlDreamerrizen, perlDreamer, preaction and...00:50
@preactionrizen, haarg, perlDreamer, preaction 00:51
+perlDreamer4/9 is 44% turnout00:51
+perlDreamer(sorry, Haarg)00:51
@preactionthat's not bad00:51
+perlDreamerLet's hope the American voters do better00:51
@preactionprobably better than today's national election00:51
+perlDreamermaybe we should require a double majority00:52
+perlDreamerthat would get people to turn out for the presidential election00:52
@preactionnot really. you can't make people care00:52
BartJolI would vote, but they don't let me...00:53
@preactionconscript armies have never worked00:53
@preactionBartJol, you could fill out a provisional ballot, just don't expect it to get counted00:53
BartJolmmm, my friend that would come by an hour ago isn't here yet00:53
BartJolor he's drunk, or doesn't understand how my doorbell works (we have 1 downstairs and one at our front door on the 11th)00:54
@rizenBartJol, I voted on your behalf00:54
BartJolah00:55
BartJolthanks00:55
@rizeninstead of casting my ballot for me, which is what i would have done, i cast it for who you wanted to vote for00:55
@rizen=)00:55
BartJoland, was it the vaginal douche or the turd sandwich?00:55
@rizenthe vaginal douche of course00:56
@preactionthe people have spoken, and we want four more years of Douchebag!00:56
@rizenat least it will be clean when we're done00:56
BartJolah, who do I want to vote for?00:56
@rizenBartJol, when you were here I'm pretty sure you said Obama.00:56
@rizenXML::FeedPP is so damn cool that I think the whole Syndicated Content asset could be written in about 1/4 the code00:57
BartJolrizen: ok your memory is ok00:57
+perlDreamerwith tests?00:58
@rizenno the tests would take a bit more...but not much00:59
@rizensince the module itself is doing most of the work01:00
@rizennot many tests would have to be written01:00
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8256 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: get setRow to work with field names with non-word characters01:07
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8258 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm): sped up lineage changes significantly01:07
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8259 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.1-7.6.2.pl: don't add javascript i18n content handler if it already exists01:07
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8260 /WebGUI/t/Mail/Send.t: turn off email to log properly for mail tests01:07
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8261 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetLineage.pm Cache/Database.pm Operation/Friends.pm): fix lineage cache clearing, syntax warning, db cache storable usage01:07
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8262 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: not allowed to add calendar events if in can edit group but not can add event group01:07
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8263 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/view.t: update Gallery Photo test to reflect proper template variables01:07
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8265 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.2 release01:07
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+perlDreamerrizen: Do you want me to fix the naming problem with SiteIndex, too?01:28
@rizensure01:29
@rizenalthough graham is in mid-release right now i think01:29
@Haargjust a sec01:29
+perlDreamerokay01:30
+perlDreamerHaarg, it might be better if you fix it yourself then.01:30
+perlDreamerIt's one less untracked/off time commit01:30
+perlDreamerBecause I don't think we should release it when it doesn't work right01:30
@Haargrelease is already done though01:30
@Haargwhat is the issue?01:30
@rizenperlDreamer: that's what betas are for01:30
+perlDreamerNaming problem with Content/SiteIndex.pm01:31
@rizenpd it will go into the next release01:31
@rizenyour fix i mean01:31
+perlDreamers/siteindex/sitemap/;01:31
@rizenhe's already got the release done01:31
+perlDreamerah01:31
+perlDreamerokay01:31
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BartJolstrange, updat gives an error that it failed, but it did work01:44
BartJolwww_bartjol_nl 7.6.1-7.6.201:45
BartJol        Backing up www_bartjol_nl (7.6.1)...OK01:45
BartJol        Correcting the Manage Workflow link in configuration file... DONE!01:45
BartJol        Adding a pre-text property to Thingy fields... DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate column name 'pretext' at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 137.01:45
BartJol<h1>Problem With Request</h1>01:45
BartJol                We have encountered a problem with your request. Please use your back button and try again.01:45
BartJol                If this problem persists, please contact us with what you were trying to do and the time and date of the problem.<br /><br />Bart Jol<br />bart@bartjol.nl<br />http://www.bartjol.nlLabel not found for "last WEBGUI_FATAL" at ../lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 235.01:45
BartJol        Processing upgrade executable failed!01:45
BartJolThe upgrade process failed and has stopped so you can either restore01:45
BartJolfrom backup, or attempt to fix the problem and continue.01:45
BartJoloops01:45
@tavistoI noticed that google sitemap was added in 7.6.2. Is this configurable through an interface?01:46
@tavistoer siteindex01:46
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BartJolmmm it first went through the same process for the same site and then it was ok01:51
@rizentavisto: no, it's just auto generated01:51
@rizenit may eventually be turned into an asset01:51
BartJolah, it sees 2 config files01:52
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@tavistoah okay, so it just takes the pages in the site and formats them to be included in the site index automatically?01:59
@tavistofor instance if I have a site with 30 pages, how does it know which pages to include or does it include them all by default?02:00
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elninowhen I submit a request using a dataform shouldn't I recieve an acknowledgement email?02:08
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@preactiononly if you're in the to, cc, or bcc field02:11
elninoi'm in the "from"...  and there is a template for "achknowledgement"  - OH. I guess that isn't an ackknowledgement email template. my bad. Sounds like a good rfe.  I'll post one. =)02:16
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@rizenBartJol: sarah says *kiss*03:19
@rizentavisto: sorry i didn't get back to you03:20
@rizenit puts in all pages that are visible by "Everybody"03:20
BartJolrizen: thanks03:20
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SDuensinEvening.03:28
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Radix-wrkHmm.. I need to create a webgui group that consists of all the users in an existing group that don't have the user profile flag 'opt out from mailing list' checked.03:45
@preactionbuild it from an SQL query perhaps?03:45
Radix-wrkyeah, that's what I was thinking.. was going to ask if that was going to work03:46
Radix-wrkthen I can use the email all users in this group option to send update emails to those users03:46
@preactionshould work03:46
Radix-wrkokey.. just need to work on the sql query then03:47
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Radix-wrkthanks preaction.. just needed confirmation from someone that I was down the right track :)03:48
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Radix-wrkokey.. this _seems_ to work.. but the numbers of optouts don't add up.. so I'm definitely missing something.. anyone care to check my sql syntax?04:16
Radix-wrkhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m281bef7404:17
@preactionRadix-wrk, what about when that column IS NULL?04:18
Radix-wrkshouldn't c.fieldData<>1 cater for that?04:19
@preactionno04:19
Radix-wrkOh.. there goes my logic then04:19
@preactionit's a quirk with NULL in MySQL04:19
@preactionessentially, any test against NULL is false04:20
@preactionexcept for "IS NULL"04:20
Radix-wrkso what's the check in sql - 'c.fieldData=0 or c.fieldData is null'04:20
@preactiontry it, it sounds like it should work04:20
Radix-wrkadd some parens and it works a treat.. sweet.. returned 4503 rows04:21
Radix-wrkcheers.. didn't know the gotcha with nulls04:22
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Radix-wrkHmm.. how often does the 'User Count' change in the group list for sql groups?04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8267 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Added 2 new convenience Operators: IsEmpty and IsNotEmpty04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8268 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Add new report table (and sql file), and the survey now does reporting.04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8269 /branch/WebGUI_flux/Survey.sql: Added missing field to db schema: groupToEditSurvey04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8270 /branch/WebGUI_flux/survey_templates.wgpkg: Individual templates probably don't need to be enabled as individual packages04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8271 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Flux/Rule.pm t/Flux/Rule.t): 04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: Squashed a bug where Flux wouldn't update dateRuleFirstTrue for a rule that was previously false04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: Added a test case to explicitly test this for future regressions.04:48
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@preactionRadix-wrk, there's a "cache groups for how long" setting in the group configuration, that's how often04:49
Radix-wrkbut that indicates how long it's been cached for, no?04:50
Radix-wrkat the moment my new groups say 004:50
@preactionoh, SQL groups don't have any real members04:50
Radix-wrkso wondering if the sql got mangled somehow in the group04:51
@preactiona person's membership is calculated as necessary04:51
Radix-wrkAny way I can test to see if it's working?04:51
@preactionmake a group that has you and only you and try to send an e-mail to it?04:51
@preactionor use the "emailOverride" setting in the config to make sure only you get the e-mails?04:51
Radix-wrkHmm..04:52
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CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8274 /branch/WebGUI_flux/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Merge branch 'survey2' into flux06:47
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Radix-wrkCongratulations President Obama - 44th President of the USA06:53
@perlmonkey2Holy crap this is an incredible night.07:01
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+perlDreamerwhoa, where did everyone go07:19
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CIA-6WebGUI: Add the profile field needed by the UsersOnline macro.07:21
CIA-6WebGUI: Internationalized the profile field label.07:21
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8277 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Macro/UsersOnline.t): Update the UsersOnline test so that all tests pass.07:21
Radix-wrkhey PD07:21
Radix-wrkA black skinny kid with a funny name is now President of the USA :)07:22
@preactionamen to that07:23
Radix-wrkBoth very good speeches tho.. from McCain and Obama07:23
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Radix-wrkHAHAHA - http://www.flickr.com/photos/meghanplowman/3004092303/in/pool-perth_photo08:56
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nubawhat? hussein is the new US president? didnt they kill the guy for hiding WMD in somewherekistan?14:53
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@tavistolet me say that the new YUI tabs are damn sexy. Excellent job guys17:29
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ckotilIs there a good way to see which user trashed an asset?18:24
@preactionthe stateChangedBy field in the assets table i think18:25
ckotilok. ive already restored it tho. so that info is probably gone now?>18:25
@Haargit will be in the assetHistory table18:27
ckotilok nice.18:28
ckotilthanks18:28
ckotilthat is a very useful table.18:31
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+perlDreamerSmoke tests didn't run on webgui.org last night.18:55
@rizenthat's cuz preaction is a bad girl18:58
@preactionsays who/18:58
+perlDreamerpreaction has mongo cojones, senor18:59
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+perlDreamerand the world's only WebGUI tie18:59
+perlDreamerchicks dig the tie18:59
@preactionmy smoke tests got run, what happened to yours, rizen?18:59
@rizenwhat do you mean mine?19:00
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@rizenyours are the ones that are supposed to do everything now19:00
@preactionah19:00
@preactiondoesnt do the nightly build though19:00
@rizenwhat does your do then?19:00
@rizenwhat's the point of running an extra box if it's not on the current svn head?19:01
@preactionit is, it runs tests against SVN Head, and it could do the nightly build and upload it to plainblack.com19:01
+perlDreamerthey ran yesterday before the upgrade19:01
@preactionit also tests against the old stable branch19:01
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+perlDreamerpreaction, the SVN smoke test says that there is an error in test #8 of the syntax check test.19:27
+perlDreamerI can't duplicate that19:27
+perlDreamerCould you run it by hand and post what's up?19:27
@tavistoperlDreamer, when you installed WebGUI on your Fedora laptop, which release did you use?20:00
@tavistoof RHEL, the latest?20:00
+perlDreamerFedora 9.  I don't use RHEL.20:01
@tavistoyeah but when you installed WebGUI I mean, what version of the WRE did you use20:01
+perlDreamerNo WRE20:01
+perlDreamersource install20:01
@tavistooh poop20:01
+perlDreamerJust like Mom used to do it.20:01
@tavistowell you are no help to me20:02
+perlDreamerI know y'all love the WRE, but if you want to get into the distributions you'll need to get used to native installs20:02
+perlDreamerWhat's the problem that you're having?20:02
@tavistothere are platform specific notes in the WRE install but I was asked what WRE build someone should use if they're installing on Fedora20:02
@tavistoand I don't think I've been asked that before.20:02
+perlDreamerRHEL 520:02
@tavistoI did see your email about how there are only 12 modules missing or outdated for WebGUI20:02
+perlDreameryeah, but that's for a native install20:03
+perlDreamerI think that RHEL 5 is compatible with Fedora 920:03
@tavistothat's great news and I have an email from JT with the contact of a guy who volunteered to work on that. Need to send a followup email20:03
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@tavistoalright, I'll include that in my response then20:03
@preactionperlDreamer, "my" variable $q1 masks earlier declaration in same scope at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/POE/Component/IKC/Server.pm line 807.20:03
+perlDreamerhm20:03
+perlDreamerthanks, preaction20:03
+perlDreamerI didn't anticipate that it would be a requirement20:03
+perlDreamerbut as long as all else is well :)20:04
@preactioni'm updating that module now20:04
+perlDreamerpreaction, in case I haven't said it lately, thank you for setting up and maintaining that test server20:06
+perlDreamerI know it's been a royal pain sometimes20:06
@Haargi guess that's something i didn't anticipate with the syntax check changes20:13
@HaargIf it comes up again in the future I'll have to add a filter so it only pays attension to compile warnings in our modules20:14
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@rizenif i have to choose between getting into distros or using the wre, i think i choose wre20:24
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SDuensinWRE!20:26
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@tavistoJT had a typo.. he meant getting into the Discos. He's a dance machine20:29
@tavistodoes a mean worm for sure20:30
+perlDreamer8 billion debian users can't be all wrong20:31
+perlDreamerexcept for not using Fedora20:31
+perlDreamerbopbop: postcards should be mailed tomorrow20:31
@bopbopgreat, thanks perldreamer! I appreciate your help.20:31
+perlDreamerI'm "inviting" Peter and Tim to write one as well20:31
@bopbopoh, Brennan will like that :)20:31
SDuensinGo go Debian & Gang!  I run my empire with Ubuntu.20:32
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knowmadhas anyone noticed that the tabs in data form are no longer movable?21:50
knowmadi've got a demo site that exhibits this behavior -- http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1225914329_522/home/untitled-data-form 21:51
knowmadtry moving tab1 to tab2; looks like it works but then refresh the page and it's back the way it was21:51
knowmadfiling a bug report21:51
metanilhow do we specify a default template for a particular asset?21:53
@rizenmetanil, you have to create a prototype21:54
knowmaduse a prototype21:54
@rizenor in 7.6 you can override the default in the config file21:54
knowmaddang, beat  me to the punch21:54
metanil:o21:54
metanilprototype?21:54
@rizenmetadata tab of the asset21:55
metanili didn't really get it rizen (sorry about that).21:57
@rizenstep 121:57
@rizenadd the asset that you want to add21:57
@rizenfrom the new content menu21:57
@rizenstep 2 21:57
@rizengo to the metadata tab21:57
@rizenstep 321:57
@rizenset "yes" on "make prototype?"21:57
@rizenstep 421:57
@rizenclick "save"21:58
@rizennow you have a prototype21:58
metanilI am creating asset by $asset->addChild({classname=>"WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder"............}):22:00
@rizenoh22:01
@rizensorry, thought you were "using" webgui22:01
@rizenyou're programming22:01
@rizenso if you want to set a template then you find out what the field is called22:01
@rizenlook in the definition of the asset22:01
@rizenthe default one is usually called templateId22:01
metaniloh .. i see.22:02
metanillike this one defaultValue => 'PBtmpl0000000000000078', namespace=>'Folder',22:03
@rizenyup22:03
@rizenso you can leave it that if you like22:03
@rizenor you can override it22:03
@rizenin addChild()22:03
metanilrizen, this will only apply during the creation of asset, if i somehow changed in manually to different, then it doesn't matter.22:04
metanili manual change will override this default one.. (obviously). :)22:04
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BartJo1so 7.6.2 is dutch, mmm, starnge way to spend my vacation22:35
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+perlDreamerMichael Crichton is dead22:51
BartJo1ah, is that the influence of Obama, or is Bush making some final statements?22:52
+perlDreamerI think it was some alien nano-virus22:52
@bopbopor cancer22:52
BartJo1oops, bad joke again, maybe I should just go drinking22:52
BartJo1so everybody here satified with the resuts of yesterday?22:58
@bopbopyes yes yes22:58
@bopbopyes22:58
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BartJo1:)22:59
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juanhi23:01
juani have many attachements in a post, and i want ot sort them again, how can i do that?23:02
+perlDreamerjuan, there is no particular order that post attachments are put in.23:02
juanthere is no change to do it23:03
BartJo1juan: do you have multiple attachements in a single post? in that case I would have to agree with perlDraemer23:07
+perlDreamerjuan, one potential work around would be to use some javascript to do it23:09
@rizenperlDreamer: just because Michael Crichton didn't write Shawshank, doesn't mean you had to kill him23:13
juanyes, i have about 50 attachements in a single post23:15
juanperlDreamer, put  a javascript in the template?23:17
+perlDreameryes23:17
+perlDreamersince the order of the attachments is random, use the template to build a javascript array and then sort it23:18
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metanilin templateId, there is defaultvalue and namespace.. what is actually mean by namespace??00:16
@preactionmetanil, the namespace of the template. see WebGUI::Form::Template and WebGUI::Asset::Template for more information00:17
@preactionthink of it as a way to label what template is used with which page00:18
metanilthanks00:18
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+perlDreamerbopbop, I need a second opinion for a label.  You have a sec?00:51
@bopbopsure perldreamer00:53
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+perlDreamerrelated to this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/900201:06
+perlDreamerI originally put in a label that said: Add a variant01:06
+perlDreamerSteve changed it to the English text: Set sku and price01:07
@bopboplooking at bug-sec01:07
+perlDreamerk01:07
@bopbopwas there an rfe or bug that caused Steve to change it?01:08
+perlDreamerNo.  I think that he thought that "Add a variant" wasn't clear enough01:09
+perlDreamerI'm starting to agree with him01:09
@bopbopI agree, I think set SKU and Price is easier01:09
@bopbopesp. for new commerce users01:09
+perlDreamerCool.  I'll make it that, then remove the English text in the template.01:12
@bopbopok01:12
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miloidrrHi I have a question about cs template17:09
Lisettehow to do for get the assetId of a post that find in session?17:09
miloidrrHow can i add two variables in a template?17:09
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Lisettehow to do for get the assetId of a post that find in session?17:15
BartJo1hi Martin!17:16
BartJo1miloidrr: do you want two non existing tmp_vars?17:17
BartJo1then you'll have to program them in the Post17:17
BartJo1you mean vars in the post_loop?17:18
BartJo1just read the code to se how the others are added17:18
BartJo1and add yours the same17:18
BartJo1Lisette: can you rephrase that, I don't exactly understand what you're trying to do17:19
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BartJo1miloidrr: the existing vars are in the following files: ./Asset/Post/Thread.pm:         push (@{$var->{post_loop}}, \%replyVars);17:26
BartJo1./Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm:                push(@{$var->{post_loop}}, \%postVars );17:26
Lisettei have to do a macro that return the url of a atach of a post, but the parameter for to the macro is only the number of post, then i want find tha assetId of the post that called id17:29
Lisettesorry the macro17:29
BartJo1Ok can you put the code in paste bin?17:33
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BartJo1Lisette: or do you want the input to be the post's assetId17:38
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JohnHey17:42
BartJo1thta is id in the <post_loop>17:42
BartJo1hi John17:42
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Guest64427HI17:42
Guest64427My nickname was changed17:43
BartJo1well, we don't like you less because of that17:44
Guest64427jajajaj thanks17:49
+MrHairgreasebart!17:52
+MrHairgreasedo we go to locus tonight?17:52
+MrHairgreaseas a domibo?17:52
BartJo1well, first I go to the movies with my mother17:52
+MrHairgreaseoh17:52
BartJo1aster that I will be available for drinking17:53
BartJo1after17:53
+MrHairgreasewell17:53
+MrHairgreaseif you like you mom better than your friends...17:53
BartJo1but you have to work tomorrow17:53
+MrHairgreasei know17:53
+MrHairgreaseso?17:53
BartJo1I just have to divide my attention between all that people who love me17:53
BartJo1;)17:54
@perlmonkey2anything in particular I should keep in mind when merging the new survey into [HEAD]?17:54
+MrHairgreasei never said i loved you17:54
@rizenErin is not one of those people BartJo1 17:54
+MrHairgreasebut you're okay for the person you are =)17:54
@rizenkeep your damn hands off her17:54
@rizen=)17:54
BartJo1not yet rizen, not yet17:54
+MrHairgreasewho's erin?17:54
BartJo1but she's save from my hands till may17:54
+MrHairgreaseoh17:55
+MrHairgreasei see17:55
BartJo1so you have time enough to win her, after that, it's your own fault rizen17:55
@rizentrue17:55
@rizenguess i better book a flight out to the east coast17:56
+MrHairgreasebart, will you be at de vrijmibo?17:57
BartJo1I will17:57
+MrHairgreaseok17:57
@perlmonkey2rizen: what do you have to fear from BartJo1?  I mean tall, handsome, sexy accent?  No threat there.17:57
+MrHairgreasethen, for now, let's take it easy and skip the domibo17:57
+MrHairgreasepm2: are you sure you're not talking about me?17:57
BartJo1and I won't try to confince her to stop smoking17:58
BartJo1MrHairgrease: you're not tall17:58
+MrHairgreaseI'm tall enough17:59
BartJo1but perlmonkey2, you think I'm handsome and have a sexy accent...mmm18:00
@perlmonkey2MrHairgrease: I could be, I get all you tall sexy Netherlanders confused :P18:00
@perlmonkey2BartJo1: what are you trying to say?18:00
+MrHairgreaseperlmonkey2: that's perfectly understandable18:00
BartJo1well, I was a bit doubting what you were saying18:01
BartJo1but don't keep your hopes up, I'm not gay18:01
@rizenBartJo1: true, you will win because you won't try to convince her to stop smoking18:01
@rizenBartJo1: but then i'll be without a mistress18:02
BartJo1Sarah said you could have Kerri18:02
@rizendon't want kerri18:02
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@perlmonkey2BartJo1: well, even if I was gay, my wife would do incredibly harmful things to me.18:02
@rizenshe annoys the hell out of me18:02
@rizenway too dramatic18:02
BartJo1she told me that too18:02
@rizenalright, fine. you take erin, kerri, and sarah. i'll just call up some whores. =)18:03
BartJo1she didn't seem to care18:03
BartJo1that's what you wanted anyway18:03
@rizenindeed18:03
+MrHairgreasehehe18:04
BartJo1if you will become a pimp, they're cheaper18:04
+MrHairgreaseseems the whole polygamistic hippie commune plan is up and ruinning again18:04
BartJo1yoohoo!18:04
BartJo1perlmonkey2: your wife doesn't secretly wishes a threesome, or with my commune a sixsome?18:08
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@perlmonkey2BartJo1: you are starting a commune?  Does this signify the end of the world?18:09
BartJo1nope, just an enhancement of my sleeping conditions18:10
BartJo1and probably a lot of nagging18:10
CIA-8WebGUI: jt * r8290 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Added a better mechanism for calculating when content was last modified for cache headers.18:11
BartJo1but I'll have to go to watch a French movie with my mother18:13
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JohnRestrepoHi again18:41
JohnRestrepoGuys18:54
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JohnRestrepoAnyone of you know how to use the Net::SAML extension?18:55
JohnRestrepoIn WebGUI18:55
JohnRestrepoanyone has used it?18:55
apeironJohnRestrepo, Nope, but if you wanted to use it with wG you'd probably need to write an Auth handler.18:58
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CIA-8WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8291 /tools/disableActivity.pl: This script will remove all activities matching an activity id or a title from every workflow in the site. A single site or all sites can be specified.20:01
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mikekgrhello there, is there any possibility to install webgui in a computer that have not direct connection to the internet (bihing proxy/firewall)???20:32
+perlDreamersure20:32
+perlDreamerWebGUI does not require access to the internet to function correctly20:32
+perlDreamercertain functions will not work, though20:33
+perlDreamerlike the Weather Asset, the Stock Tracker asset.20:33
+perlDreamertrying to fetch calendar feeds or RSS feeds from other external sites20:33
+perlDreamerand, the little feature that tells you if you're using the most up to date version of WebGUI20:33
+perlDreamerall optional20:33
mikekgryes but during installation at the update from internet phase stop installation due to no internet20:34
@preactionyou don't want to install that way20:34
mikekgrhow to install then???20:34
+perlDreamermaybe we need a "How to install WebGUI on an isolated server" wiki page20:34
@preactionyou'll need to download the WRE and the WebGUI versions you want, then do a Manual Install of webgui by extracting the WebGUI tarball to /data/WebGUI20:34
@preactionperlDreamer, good idea. or "How to do a manual install" or something20:35
+perlDreamerpreaction, if you dictate, I'll wiki it20:35
+perlDreamerAre there more details than you just went through?20:35
@preactionnot really20:35
mikekgrok give me 1-2 minutes to write after checking again20:35
@preactionyou go through the WRE's install procedure until it says "Installing WebGUI" and has the button for "Manual Install"20:36
@preactionBEFORE hitting that button, extract WebGUI to /data/WebGUI20:36
@preactionthen hit that button20:36
@preactionthat should be it20:36
+perlDreamerOkay, I'll start the page20:36
mikekgrI Download and try to installed WRE (for Debian), I followed this instructions: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation  the step that was not possible to finish was: " ./wreconsole.pl " Any workaround?20:39
@preactionwhy can't you run the wreconsole?20:40
+perlDreamermikekgr: What happens when you try to run the wreconsole?20:41
mikekgrNo I can run it but when I go to: http://myserver:60834/setup there need to do update check and have problem here...20:41
@preactionmikekgr, what step is that?20:41
@preactionit should just time out and proceed normally20:42
mikekgrI am not at that computer right now but this page try to setup everything and when try to "check for update" stopped here and at "server" console take an error that the update can not be done and stay there...20:43
mikekgrno it does not continue after that error20:44
@preactionunless i know what step that is i can't help you. was it after you clicked "Automatic Install"?20:44
mikekgryes sure20:45
@preactionthat's what you don't want to do. The other button on that page is "Manual Install", and that's the button you want20:45
@preactionas i mentioned above, BEFORE you hit Manual Install, you unzip the WebGUI tarball to /data/WebGUI20:46
@preactionthat's the tarball you got from http://update.webgui.org20:46
mikekgrok I see I will try it tomorrow. Many thanks20:46
+perlDreamerpreaction: wiki page is up21:09
+perlDreamerIt could use some linkage and some indexage, but people who search should find it21:09
@preactionsweet, thanks21:09
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@preactionuh... why does the t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/DataForm.t test the Article asset?21:20
@Haargheh21:21
@Haargthat may be my fault21:21
@Haargindeed it is21:22
@preactionhow is testing the DataForm going to work if it creates a new revision of itself with every action?21:25
@preactionoh, nm21:25
@preactionthose are only the www_ actions21:25
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topsubI wasn't logged into the webgui.org site and went to view a forum post and gave me permission deined. Is that correct?21:48
@perlmonkey2hmm, I'm merging the Survey2 branch to HEAD, which is all new files exept for Survey.pm.  I don't want to merge it because nothing in the original should stay.  Should I svn del it then readd it with the new file?21:48
@preactiontopsub, which forum post?21:49
@preactionperlmonkey2, that should work fine21:50
topsubit was ,http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/two-proxies-pointing-to-the-same-modperl#piIfU0tfORt2TENZlGcmog21:50
topsubbut now i log out and try it again and it works fine21:51
topsubNot sure why the first time i went to the post it said permission deined21:51
@preactionyeah. not sure either...21:51
@preactioni logged out and works fine for me21:51
@preactionif you can reproduce, let us know so we can look deeper21:51
topsubhmm ya now i just sound werid because i can't reproduce it.. lol21:54
topsubSeems to be fine. not sure where it thought i was trying to go to give me permission deined.21:54
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metanili think the line no 314 at file /extras/assetManager/assetManager.js should be fixed..22:32
metanilits -->>  var url = "http://" + hostName + this.focusObject.metaData.url;22:33
metanilhard coded "http://"22:33
@perlmonkey2If I try to merge Survey2 branch objects that didn't exist in head, I get a they don't exist error. If I try to add them, I get a they are already under source control error.22:33
@preactionperlmonkey2, did you copy the .svn directories from your branch? that could be the problem22:33
@perlmonkey2hmm, I'll check22:33
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+perlDreamermetanil, please file that as a bug23:05
metanilyeah..23:07
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@Haargperlmonkey2, did you get the survey merged?  it looks like it's missing the main file23:46
@perlmonkey2Haarg: how so?23:54
@perlmonkey2Survey.pm should be there23:54
+perlDreamerNo Survey.pm23:55
@Haargyou can't add and delete a file in one rev with svn23:56
@Haargyou can change a file though23:56
@perlmonkey2whups23:56
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@perlmonkey2okay, added23:58
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Bernd_rizen, I just met Klaus in Mannheim at our first webgui drinks.00:02
Bernd_We have discussed about how to grow the German community.00:02
Bernd_Would it be possible to have a German forum on webgui.org?00:03
@rizenif that would help you, sure00:03
@rizeni'm all about growing the community00:03
Bernd_I am thinking about something like a self-assignable webgui group.00:03
@rizenbut...wouldn't it be better to have a full german site?00:03
Bernd_We could internationalize webgui.org at one point.00:04
Bernd_webgui-cms.de is already dead.00:04
Bernd_And Andreas Graf (the owner) does not seem to be interested that much00:04
Bernd_in revitalizing it.00:04
Bernd_A forum would be a good starting point.00:04
Bernd_What about a webgui group to which people can assign by themselves.00:05
@rizenwell if you want a forum i can give you that00:05
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@rizenwhat is the group for?00:05
Bernd_To make the forum visible.00:05
@rizenwhy not just always leave it visible?00:05
Bernd_That way we can have many national groups on webgui.org00:05
Bernd_and still keep the board tidy and short.00:06
@rizeni know what you're saying, but why not have all the national groups visible? i think it makes the webgui community look bigger and cooler00:06
Bernd_I mean, the German forum is probably only the beginning.00:06
Bernd_Alright. 00:06
Bernd_Make it visible then.00:06
@rizencould you type the name as it should appear in german?00:07
@rizenso i can put it in?00:07
Bernd_Now? Or as an RFE?00:07
@rizennow00:07
@rizeni'll do it now00:07
Bernd_>Good. Let me think for a moment.00:07
@rizeni'll also make your user account the "owner" of the CS so that you can edit it00:07
Bernd_What about the translation of "German user group"?00:08
Bernd_as title, I mean.00:08
@rizenfine by me...whatever you think will attract german speaking users00:08
Bernd_Let's go with that for the moment. The German translation is "Deutsche Benutzergruppe".00:09
Bernd_We can still change it later on.00:09
@rizenoh and also type up a one or two sentence description in german00:09
@rizenlike each other forum has00:09
@rizena description00:09
Bernd_Can I do that later on?00:09
@rizeni guess so since you'll have edit rights00:09
Bernd_I am still in the train, it is late and I have had more than two beers.00:09
@rizenhehe00:09
Bernd_Good.00:09
Bernd_We have also agreed on meeting regularly.00:10
@rizenok, when you sober up and wake up, post a welcome message to the board00:10
@rizensweet00:10
Bernd_That is once a month. Alternating between Heidelberg and Mannheim.00:10
Bernd_I am going to post to the calendar soon.00:10
Bernd_Hope there are more to join.00:10
Bernd_One more thing:00:11
Bernd_What about the extended demo I have suggested to tavis already?00:11
Bernd_Have you read that thread?00:11
@rizenhaven't read that thread00:11
@rizeni'll go look for it00:12
Bernd_I think we could attract a lot more people by offering an extended demo for about one month.00:12
Bernd_That way people can play with webgui a bit more.00:12
Bernd_Klaus would be willing to fund a server for German users.00:12
@rizendo you want an email address associated with it?00:12
@rizenor do you want to decide that later?00:13
Bernd_e-mail?00:13
Bernd_The forum?00:13
@rizenyeah so people can email in to the forum00:13
@rizenyeah00:13
Bernd_Oh, yes!00:13
Bernd_E-mail is always good.00:13
Bernd_something like krauts@webgui.org00:13
@rizenok00:13
@rizeni'll get it created00:13
Bernd_Cool!00:13
Bernd_Back to the extended demo...00:14
Bernd_The idea is to have some low-budget hosting00:14
Bernd_for small private sites.00:14
Bernd_Very small sites, I mean.00:14
Bernd_Just to attract users.,00:14
Bernd_However, what is missing is a quota in the wre.00:14
Bernd_What do you think,00:15
Bernd_would that work for attracting more people?00:15
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Bernd_Ah, KlausH!00:16
Bernd_Already discussing :-)00:16
Bernd_JT is about creating our forum!!!00:16
KlausHHi Bernd!00:16
KlausHGreat! 00:16
@rizenBernd webgui has asset quotes00:16
Bernd_We still have come up with a description until tomorrow,00:16
@rizenquotas00:16
@rizenyou can say...this site can only have 400 assets00:17
Bernd_I did not know. Where can I specify? In the webgui conf file?00:17
Bernd_But more importantly, do you think this could be a model for attracting more people to webgui?00:18
@rizenwebgui config file00:18
@rizeni haven't read the forum post yet00:18
Bernd_Going to have look.00:18
@rizenyour forum is online now...well pending spectre committing it00:19
Bernd_Check the thread on the ct article.00:19
Bernd_It was about how to generate extra values for their customers.00:19
@Haargperlmonkey2, intentional?  https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision?rev=8296#diff__WebGUI_lib_WebGUI_Workflow_Activity_ArchiveOldThreads.pm00:19
Bernd_ct did not want to publish webgui as part of their software collection00:19
Bernd_since it is free and does not come with any extra value.00:19
Bernd_My suggestion was to give hosting coupons to their reades00:20
Bernd_readers for an extended demo00:20
Bernd_But I think this would be a great think in general.00:20
Bernd_Currently, there is still too little activity on webgui.org.00:21
Bernd_We need more users.00:21
Bernd_I think students are a good target group.00:21
Bernd_They have time contribute.00:21
Bernd_But we need to get them play with webgui first.00:21
KlausHBernd, will you do the intial post on the German discussion board00:22
Bernd_The current demo is good for a first impression.00:22
Bernd_KlausH, yes!00:22
Bernd_But tomorrow.00:22
Bernd_Immediately after breakfast.00:22
Bernd_rizen, so what do you think about an extended demo and a subsequent low-budget hosting plan for private users?00:23
@rizenon phone...in the mean time, can you get me the url to the discussion you're talking about00:23
@rizenok, off the phone00:26
Bernd_Ok. I found it! It was this one http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/webgui-article-in-german-linux-magazine?pn=200:26
@rizenwhere is that thread00:26
@rizenk00:26
@rizenreading...00:26
Bernd_KlausH, schon eine Idee f?r die Beschreibung der Gruppe?00:27
@rizenmy answer = exactly what tavisto said00:28
Bernd_That means, you are going to work on it?00:29
@tavistowhat about tavisto?00:30
@tavistowhy are you bouncing my Colloquy icon?00:30
@tavisto:_00:30
@tavisto:)00:30
Bernd_Would it be ok, if Klaus and me took the lead?00:32
Bernd_Not that expensive to rent a root server these days.00:32
Bernd_And I do not expect users to flood us with requests.00:32
Bernd_tavisto, what is a Colloquy icon?00:33
@rizentavisto what you said regarding automated hosting and extended demos on the forum00:33
@tavistoheh, on a Mac the default IRC client is colloquy00:33
@tavistogotcha Rizen, I caught up on the convo now00:33
Bernd_So, are there any plans to do that?00:33
@rizenBernd_: no that doesn't mean we're going to work on it. it means that we can't even consider working on it until the hosting automation system is fully in place00:33
Bernd_Or shall we do that as a community.00:33
@rizenand it won't be in place until *at least* January 2009.00:34
Bernd_But hosting automation is being worked on?00:34
@rizenyes00:34
@rizenas we speak00:34
Bernd_2009 is coming soon.#00:34
@rizeni'm spending about 20 hours per week (and sometimes more) 00:34
Bernd_No need to be impatient.00:34
Bernd_Good. In that case, I think we are going to wait.00:34
Bernd_Keep on working :-) !00:35
Bernd_I am approaching my home.00:35
Bernd_Going to stop here.00:35
Bernd_Good night!00:35
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@rizenpatspam: it appears that the first German webgui drink was a huge success00:37
@rizenhow's the australian one?00:37
@tavistoRizen, you do realize we will exceed 1000 CMS products by the end of 2008 right? If not by the end of this month.00:38
@tavistoI think this week we've already got around 3-4 new CMS products, and I have one pending where I'm waiting to hear from a vendor00:38
@tavistoaccording to the numbers I've seen in past articles, that means we could potentially only be reporting about half the CMS products currently available.00:39
@rizeni know00:39
@rizencmsmatrix.org is exploding all over the place00:40
@tavistoyeah, our visitors aren't growing inline but the amount of vendors finding us definitely is00:40
@tavistowe're actually just consistent now after our last growth spurt of 10-15k to around 60k00:40
@rizenit will come00:41
@rizenthe more data we have the more users we will have00:41
@tavistoyup, I have no doubt.00:41
@tavistoI think our phase 2 advertising plan must go into affect.. hot babes in bikini photo galleries00:42
@tavistoI'm pretty sure no ones ever tried that technique before00:42
@rizeni'm pretty sure every dating site on the internet uses ads like that00:43
@rizenthe hottest chicks i see on the internet are always the ads pointing to dating sites. =)00:43
@tavistoyeah, just maybe.. and I even had a typo with affect... should be effect. I suck00:44
@tavistothat's 100% true.00:44
@tavistoBUT, I wonder if that's true on the muslim dating site you found.00:44
nubahaha dating sites use imagemagik & geoip to convince people that the pics they're seeing is from local girls00:49
nubathey have this 'hot babes pic database' and "burn" your city name in a random pic00:50
nubabut its funny when they do that and your population's average girls are soo different than US'00:51
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: oh crap...looks like I somehow edited that file instead of where I pasted teh code to.01:00
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: I'm rolling it back now01:01
@Haargok01:01
@Haargthanks01:01
wgGuest95hello there, could someone tell me how to have/use a few fonts in my webgui pages?01:01
@preactionwgGuest95, most likely you'll have to edit the HTML source or create a stylesheet that has some classes for your fonts01:04
+perlDreamerDoritos rock01:04
@perlmonkey2Haarg: ah, I guess checking out the last good version and then trying to check it in, isn't have you roll back.01:05
wgGuest95from admin console and using graphics I upload a few... How can edit the html source or create a stylesheet?01:05
@perlmonkey2ah, merge01:06
@Haargyeah, svn is kind of a pile01:06
@preactionwgGuest95, those fonts aren't for in the page, they're for the graphs that WebGUI creates01:06
+perlDreamerwgGuest95, the graphics console is only for creating graphics through WebGUI like pie charts and graphs01:06
@preactionthere's no good way to push those fonts to the people viewing your web site, which is why most websites just use a few default fonts like Arial, Courier, and Tahoma01:07
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wgGuest95ok thanks, now only left the question how can have my defaul favorit fonts (Arial, Tahoma etc) inside webgui?01:08
@perlmonkey2svn merge -c -6258 urlToModule, right?01:08
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@preactionwgGuest95, you will need to edit your stylesheet (the CSS file)01:09
@preactionwgGuest95, http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-give-webgui-your-own-style <- here's a good wiki article on how to edit style templates and stylesheets01:09
wgGuest95ok thanks I will check it!!!01:10
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@perlmonkey2ah, -c doens't work, have to use -r01:16
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8293 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: preparing for merge02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8294 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (templates loadTemplate.pl survey.css.backup): preparing for merge02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8295 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (5 files in 2 dirs): preparing for merge02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8296 /WebGUI/ (28 files in 11 dirs): The new survey is here. Make sure to wg-reset your test instances to get the new DB schema.02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8297 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm: i18n is probably important to actually seeing any text.02:21
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8299 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #9028: Thingy fails when setting values containing single quotes02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8300 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: clean up some thingy slightly02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8301 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.3/root_import_survey.wgpkg: make survey templates not be packages02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8302 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9047: Unable to reorder DataForm tabs02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8303 /translations/German/German/ (21 files): Update from translation server02:21
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8304 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t: Added Survey.t skeleton02:21
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8306 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9047: Unable to reorder DataForm tabs02:22
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8308 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.32 release02:22
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elninoI was wondering if there is a way to add some layouts to the "design wizard" in webgui... Is it using templates in webgui? or is some pl files somewhere?  04:34
@preactionit's some pl files somewhere i think04:34
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elninook. Thanks preaction05:20
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CIA-8WebGUI: doug * r8315 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 05:50
CIA-8WebGUI: added: Delete columns in DataTable05:50
CIA-8WebGUI: fixed: Now more than one DataTable can be on a page05:50
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CIA-8WebGUI: doug * r8317 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/CheckList.pm: fixed docs05:50
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elninowill the new survey in 7.6 support conditional questions?  so if you answer one way, it'll ask you one thing, if it asks you another, it asks you a different one?06:21
@preactionyes06:22
@preactionit calls it "branching"06:23
CIA-8WebGUI: doug * r8318 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/moveField.t: added tests for movefield06:31
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elninook. Thanks preaction.07:08
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BartJolhee, the topic is old15:02
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SDuensinEveryone must be hard at work today.  No chatter!18:29
AMH_henryfor me weekend just started! :D18:31
SDuensinCongrats.  Bum.  :-)18:31
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SDuensinIf I go and build a bunch of Things and later edit them, does the data already existing inside them survive?18:57
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@rizensurvive editing?18:57
@rizenoh you mean edit the schema of them?18:57
SDuensinYea.18:57
@rizenyup18:57
@rizendata will survive18:58
@rizenbut the new fields added will be empty18:58
* SDuensin is still gun shy but fascinated at the same time.18:58
@rizenand fields that get deleted will lose their data18:58
SDuensinThat's cool.18:58
@rizenIsn't thingy cool?18:58
SDuensinI want to try and use it to build an application for my users to manage their domains.18:58
SDuensinSo far it seems very cool.  Except for when it went haywire on me the other night.18:59
@rizenOur biggest use of it currently is that we have a rolodex of all of our customers, vendors, contractors, employees, etc18:59
@rizenand notes about them18:59
SDuensinSounds similar to what I want.  Just the UI.  All the actual work will be done by a cron job or workflow or something.19:00
SDuensinKinda like how I use WebGUI to manage my CloudCircle subscriptions.  Logons are synced by a cron job on another box.19:00
SDuensinI got into trouble when I started changing fields that had relationships on them.19:02
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SDuensinwb19:02
SDuensinI got into trouble when I started changing fields that had relationships on them.19:02
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CIA-6WebGUI: amhhenry * r8320 /branch/alphamega/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Updated comments (removed reference to AMH). Put SQL statements for upgrade19:34
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+perlDreamernext version is 7.6.4?20:10
@preaction763 i think20:11
@preactionyeah 7.6.3, 7.6.2 is released20:13
+perlDreamercool.  I'm fixing a template so I want to put the package in the right place.20:22
SDuensinCan a Thing be an auto-increment value?20:32
+perlDreamerno idea, sduensin21:15
SDuensinI worked around it.  It'd still be helpful.21:16
* SDuensin is working on replacing Plesk with Things.21:16
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Bernd_Hey, is the HelpDesk still broken?21:23
Bernd_At least it does not work for me.21:23
Bernd_I would like to upload a patch for the UserList asset.21:23
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Bernd_But I cannot see any of the bugs at the moment.21:24
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Bernd_perlDreamer, I have the patch for the UserList asset ready.21:26
Bernd_But I cannot upload.21:27
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: now what was the issue with the tests?21:31
+perlDreameri18n/help.t is using Help/Asset_Survey as a source of data21:32
+perlDreamerthe i18n that it was pointing to went away21:32
+perlDreamerso Help/Asset_Survey needs to be updated, and have legal i18n links21:32
@perlmonkey2okay, I'll see if I can do it after $work :P21:33
+perlDreamernormally, Help, i18n and templating is part of $dayJob for contracts, but I don't know your current tasking21:33
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: how does the help.t work.  I'm not seeing anything including/using anything with survey\c in it.21:37
+perlDreamerit gets a list of help files, then takes the data structures from each one and makes sure that all labels have valid i18n entries21:38
+perlDreamerhelp.t is not the problem21:38
@perlmonkey2I didn't remove any help files.  I removed Asset_Survey and replaced it.21:39
+perlDreamerI'll try to find a good example21:39
+perlDreamerin Asset_Survey21:41
+perlDreamerthe survey response template looks for a title entry named 108921:41
+perlDreamerthat entry, 1089, does not exist in the i18n file21:41
@perlmonkey2ic21:41
@perlmonkey2help.t runs through all the templates and makes sure the i18n calls are there.21:42
+perlDreamerno21:42
+perlDreamerhelp.t runs through all Help files and makes sure the i18n calls are there21:42
+perlDreamerI'm assuming, (probably badly) that when you replaced the i18n file, that the Help file wasn't updated at the same time.21:44
@perlmonkey2oh man....I've got a lot of work to do there.21:47
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Some idiot (me) cut off a really important line of code when cleaning up this file.22:00
SDuensinhehe22:01
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SDuensinAnybody got a recommendation for integrating an actual database with WebGUI.  Like pretty web-based forms and such.  Thingy is close, but not quite, what I need.22:10
@preactionSQLForm maybe? SQLReport perhaps? A custom application?22:11
SDuensinI'm hoping for pointy-clicky.  :-)22:11
+perlDreamerSDuensin, patches and RFEs for Things gratefully accepted ;)22:11
SDuensin:-D22:12
+perlDreamerWe know that you know how to sling a text editor around22:12
SDuensinWho?  Me?  :-P22:12
+perlDreamerYou can't hide behind that fresh-faced newbie exterior forever, dudely22:12
SDuensin:-D22:12
SDuensinI plan on helping you all to rule the world.  But I need online *now* so I can afford to live.22:12
+perlDreamerI see22:14
+perlDreamerYou need the autoincrement thing you mentioned earlier22:14
+perlDreamerOr is it something else?22:14
SDuensinIdeally?  Build FileMaker into WebGUI.  I'll wait.  :-)22:14
+perlDreamerFileMaker?22:15
@preactionhttp://www.filemaker.com/22:15
SDuensinYea.  Easy pointy-clicky DB builder with web UI options.22:15
@preactionwhat is Thingy missing that you need?22:16
SDuensinForms to customize the UI.22:16
@preactionforms? like a drag-drop wizard to make the forms?22:17
@preactionyou can edit the templates already22:17
SDuensinI know that.  But it's not fast.22:17
@preactionthe app you want isn't easy either :p22:18
SDuensinI know that.  :-)22:18
@preactionbut it's probably easier than a generic template wizarding thing22:18
@perlmonkey2preaction: you know that SQL Report bug.  Try a limit that causes multiple pages from the paginator.  Then if you can figure it out, I'll owe you enough beers to see you passed out under the table.22:19
SDuensinI know.  I'm just "into" pointy-clicky lately.  I want tools so a couple people can do the work of dozens.22:20
@preactionright, but a dozen people will need to make those tools ;-) large up-front cost == smaller maintenance costs22:20
@preactionperlmonkey2, i would look at how Paginator adds its own limit clause. that's most likely where the bug is22:20
SDuensinYea, but templates are my problem.  Tools are YOUR problem.  :-P22:21
@perlmonkey2hmm, I used to be able to replicate, but now I can't.  22:21
@preactionit might be prudent to build some testing for it, instead of trying to test from the frontend22:21
@preactionSDuensin, i could think of some compromises that could be made to make thingy easier to template. perhaps tabbed forms like DataForm?22:22
@perlmonkey2preaction: I'd call this corrected. I have 2000 returns in my query, paginating on 5 per page, and it happens subsecond.22:22
@perlmonkey2I'll look at SVN at the paginator to see what changed.22:22
@preactionperlmonkey2, i think there was something about there being a subquery as well, no?22:22
SDuensinpreaction - Not sure.  Mainly I need more navigation tools.  I'll look at the templates to see what I can do.  I mainly need to drill down into data and be able to come back up.  I've got a lot of many-to-one relations.22:23
@perlmonkey2preaction: oh, yeah, now I remember.  It was when it was downloaded22:23
@perlmonkey2preaction: looks like the bug I'm looking at isn't the same one I looked at before (been several months).  But I think there was a subquery in the previous one.  I'll test it with the subquery.  But if that works, I'd call this fixed.22:25
@perlmonkey2wow, that query should have set my server on fire and instead it was also subsecond.22:26
@perlmonkey2queried for everything on an unindexed column, and the subquery did the same.22:27
@perlmonkey2preaction: nevermind it isn't corrected  "select * from assetData where title in (select title from assetData) limit 100" is an easy test which kills it.  And from the last time I looked at this, it woudl require a serious replumbing of the paginator.22:31
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@preactionwhat would you have to do exactly? what in the paginator is the problem?22:44
SDuensinperlmonkey2 - Ooo:  http://www.wavemaker.com22:52
SDuensinEr, preaction that is.22:52
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: community edition is AGPL22:56
@preactionhow dare you want rich applications without doing any work!22:56
SDuensin:-P22:56
SDuensinAGPL works for what I want.  Not for integrating with WebGUI for release.22:57
@preactioni'm saying i can make a WebGUI::Asset::Template::Wizard::Thingy, but I'm also saying to not hold your breath waiting for it22:57
SDuensinI know.  :-)22:58
@perlmonkey2preaction: I don't recall about the paginator.  But I remember it was something where the solution was inherent in the paginator.22:58
@preactionperlmonkey2, imho if you do a query like that and expect to download it, you should be prepared for it to take too long22:59
@perlmonkey2preaction: it won't take a long time, it will take forever.  22:59
@preactionthat query would take forever at the mysql client, that's not something we can control23:00
@perlmonkey2There is a rather large param DEFINED in the paginator has to run once for each iteration.  23:00
@perlmonkey2to find the problem just look for the param that is like 9999999999999999 or some such.23:00
@perlmonkey2it isn't at the mysql client.  It is what the paginator is doing.23:00
@perlmonkey2I remember find that param and realizing it had to be there and there was no simple solution.23:01
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@preactionok, put as much info as possible into the bug report, we'll still need to fix it, but it's a little bug not a big one23:02
@perlmonkey2preaction: okay, I'll dive back into Paginator and document what I find this time :P23:02
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: that app shows the incredible power of the CRUD concept.23:02
SDuensinYep.23:02
@preactionperlmonkey2, you don't have to do that, just next time there's a problem like that23:03
@perlmonkey2preaction: yeah, it was a long time ago, I think before I was an employee.23:03
@preactionif you can't fix it, at least write down as much as possible that you found out23:03
@perlmonkey2and I was trying to knock out bugs as fast as I could, and just moved along if I could fix it in a timely manner.23:03
@perlmonkey2/could/couldn't/23:03
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8322 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix add variant i18n bug23:07
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+perlDreamerpreaction, where can I find an example of the AJAX i18n calls?23:27
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@perlmonkey2jsIdiot: what asset would answer the calls?23:41
@perlmonkey2www_i18n?23:41
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snapcountIs it possible to use a template variable from a template in the head block of the template?23:51
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@preactionsnapcount, no. in 7.6 it's possible to pass a data structure to the template's prepare() method, which allows template vars in there, but currently assets only use it for Metadata00:51
snapcountahh01:16
snapcountok ty01:16
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@tavistonuba, ping01:54
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nubatavisto: pong02:38
nubasup?02:38
@tavistohey nuba, I was curious if this site (in .br) is a legit CMS vendor02:38
@tavistohttp://www.visionnaire.com.br02:44
nuba[22:08] <@tavisto> Ihttp://www.visionnaire.com.br03:00
nubaoops03:00
nuba[22:08] <@tavisto> Ihttp://www.visionnaire.com.br03:00
@tavistois that a legit vendor?03:00
nubasucks to use other people`s terminal with configs all messed up03:01
nubamessed up = different than mine`s :D03:01
nubalet me check03:01
nubanever heard of them before03:01
@tavistoI used google translate but the site doesn't really go into much detail about CMS03:01
nubahttp://www.visionnaire.com.br/produtos_webp.html03:04
nubathats their CMS product03:04
nubaits called Visionnaire webpublication03:05
nubait seems pretty much legit03:06
nubai mean just legit as websites go03:07
@tavistook so the product is legigt03:07
nubathey sport a list of know companies as clients03:07
@tavistolegit. That's what I wanted to make sure since I can't read the context of the site where it shows the CMS info03:07
nubaknown*03:07
nubathey also claim to be partially financed by a couple of big banks03:08
nubait all looks convincing03:08
nubanot overproduced, they could have done better03:08
nubaits average looking03:08
nubaand theres a couple of `success stories` on http://www.visionnaire.com.br/downloads/cases/case_fiep_webp.pdf and http://www.visionnaire.com.br/downloads/cases/case_usf_webp.pdf03:09
nubathats it03:09
@tavistoalright, great thanks Nuba. I can now add them as a CMS on the cmsmatrix03:10
@tavistothat will put us at 980 CMS products listed03:10
nubayoure welcome03:10
nubacool, every notch counts03:11
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+crythias1Can I just say, "Thank You" for WebGUI?20:07
+crythias1I'm pretty much amazed at it (finally?) doing the stuff that *makes sense* ...20:08
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+perlDreamerpreaction: need a 2nd opinion.  Art thou available?21:38
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8324 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: update method alters the reference it is sent. Fix this by using Clone, which is a grandfathered prerequisite21:43
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8328 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Adding features to Matrix v203:44
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Bernd_preaction, I think I am done with implementing a fallback mechanism for translations allowing local flavors.22:26
Bernd_I have modified the get function in WebGUI::International22:27
Bernd_so far.22:27
Bernd_Seems to work.22:27
Bernd_Is there anything else I need to consider?22:27
Bernd_Maybe I should explain a bit more.22:27
Bernd_You can set a fallback language in the language properties now that is preferred over English.22:28
Bernd_If an id is missing, the fallback language is checked first.22:28
Bernd_Only if the id is missing there as well, English is used as the last option.22:28
Bernd_Are there any other parts in WebGUI that may be affected?22:29
Bernd_I see. It's weekend :-)22:31
Bernd_Going to bug you again on Monday.22:31
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patspamlooks like the upgrade to YUI 2.6 broke Thingy02:29
patspamin the latest beta02:30
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+Radix-wrkThat sounds so wrong if you say it out loud.. "YUI broke my thingy!"03:59
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SDuensinGreetings.15:59
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rjacobsenis this working?18:52
SDuensinnope18:52
rjacobsenkk18:52
rjacobseni have a (hopefully) real simple question18:52
rjacobseni am working inside the template of webgui - and want to check to see if the user logged in is Admin.... so i typed <tmpl_if user.isAdmin> but it is not working18:53
rjacobsenwhat is the correct variable for the user to show it is admin?18:53
rjacobsenthe only ones i know are user.isModerator and user.isVisitor18:54
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* SDuensin and templates are not a great mix.18:55
+perlDreamerI thought SDuensin went great with everything18:56
+perlDreamerkind of like beer18:56
SDuensinHe is, but not when he's sick.18:56
SDuensinI'm lucky to be able to type.18:57
rjacobsenis there a guide somewhere to all the user variables available?18:57
rjacobsenthey used to be in the help of webgui, but i dont see them there anymore18:58
SDuensinYea, they're all on the wiki.18:58
SDuensinBut they change depending on what the template is.18:59
SDuensinperlDreamer - I plan on ruling the world with WebGUI and my brain.  As soon as my brain works again.18:59
rjacobseni just want something like <tmpl_if user.isAdmin> to check to see if the user logged in is Admin or not18:59
@rizenthey're all in the help19:00
@rizenall template variables for all templates are in the help19:01
rjacobseni looked19:01
@rizenif it's not in the help, then the variable doesn't exist19:01
SDuensinWow.  I said the same thing as rizen for once.  :-P19:01
rjacobsencan you pls just tell me what user. i would use to see if the person logged in is admin? because I trully cannot find it (or i wouldnt be here)19:02
rjacobsen:)19:02
rjacobsenand i have been the past 2 hours looking through the help menu19:02
SDuensinWhat kind of template is it?19:03
rjacobsenadmin toggle19:03
@rizenthere is no variable to tell if the current user is an admin19:04
rjacobseni dont wanna show it if the person is not admin19:04
@rizenyou need to use GroupText macro19:04
rjacobsenok lemme look that up19:04
rjacobseni see group add and group delete but no grouptext19:05
rjacobsenahh i see it19:05
@rizenhttp://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/group-text-macro19:05
rjacobsenbut how can i use a macro in a templ_if??19:05
@rizenyou can't19:05
@rizenyou don't need to19:06
@rizen^GroupText(3,display this thing here);19:06
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rjacobsenahhh19:06
rjacobsenso group 3 would see the text19:06
@rizenyes19:06
@rizenexcept don't use 3 use the name of the group19:06
@rizenlike Admins19:06
rjacobsenbut can i put a ^asset url inside the "display this thing here"?19:06
@rizenyup19:07
rjacobsenvery nice19:07
rjacobsenvery very nice19:07
rjacobsenthank you so much19:07
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SDuensinThis is somewhat off-topic, but...  What's the best MySQL tool you've found?  I want something I can diagram with and manage FKs and such.19:09
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@rizenthe only one I've ever used for mysql is Datanamic DeZine for Databases19:18
+perlDreamerAgreed, SDuensin.  Functional brain is required for world domination.19:19
SDuensinrizen - Is it any good?19:20
@rizeni don't like graphical tools like that, so i'm a bad one to ask19:21
@rizenbut for what it does, i thought it was ok19:21
SDuensinI have the ever-creatively-named "SQLEditor" installed now.  Undecided.19:22
SDuensinHmm.  Navicat looks nice.19:31
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rjacobsenrizen thanks man - that was exactly what i needed19:50
@rizenyou're welcome - pay me back by helping someone in IRC or on the forums when they have a question19:50
rjacobseni do have one more question .... is there any way to keep "Show admin console" from showing up when editing a page?19:50
SDuensinTake it out of the template.19:51
rjacobsenthere is a page for "edit page layout"??19:52
rjacobseni didnt know that19:52
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@rizenit's the admin console template19:52
@rizenand you better not do what SD just said19:52
@rizenor you'll likely break your site19:52
@rizenso the answer is "no"19:52
SDuensinSD had more things to go with his statement.19:52
rjacobsenlol19:52
SDuensinLike create an "admin" URL that has the macro in it.  :-P19:53
rjacobsenso i can create my own edit page template?19:53
rjacobsenlemme explain what im tryin to do and maybe that would be easier - when someone clicks edit (and they are not admin) - i do not want them to be able to do anything else but edit the text on that page and click save or cancel - is that possible?19:55
nubai suppose UI levels are what youore after19:56
rjacobsenya maybe - but it still doesnt turn everything off19:57
nubausers with different UI levels see different forms while editing19:57
nubayou could look into fine-tuning it accordingly to your needs19:57
rjacobsenya im a noob when it comes to groups - not sure what to put in the fields to make stuff not show and stuff20:00
rjacobsenlike i went in to create a new group and im not sure what to change to make the new group unique and to decide what will and will not show for that group20:02
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knowmadHaarg: can you talk for a minute about my support ticket? i think we can resolve it more quickly via irc20:08
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mediakif anyone knows, it would be cool.... how can i edit what a group can and cannot do.... i do not see that anywhere :(20:11
knowmadthat would be a nice feature but i don't think there's a way to do it right now20:12
knowmadyou could probably write an sql report to generate the info20:12
mediakok what uimode would not be able to see "Show admin console"?20:13
knowmadthere is a Permissions tab in admin console under Settings20:13
mediakAHHHHHHHHH20:14
knowmadthat's not fully documented20:14
mediakthanx!20:14
mediakthats what i was lookin for20:14
knowmadwithout editing the admin templates, i think that any user with turn admin on will get the ability to see admin console20:15
knowmadoh, good; i thought you were talking about being able to view asset permissions assigned to a group20:15
mediakcrap20:15
mediakthey can still see "show admin console"20:16
mediakhave to find a uimode that cant see it20:16
knowmadwhat are you trying to accomplish?20:18
mediaktrying to make it to where the user can edit the text on a page in webgui, save or cancel the changes, but nothing else20:19
mediaki can get rid of everything EXCEPT "Show admin console".........20:23
mediakcant figure out how to get rid of it - or make my own page edit template20:24
mediakok ....ill just use ad managers20:27
mediakseems they have the least abilities20:28
knowmadmediak: sorry, got distracted20:35
knowmadwhere do you see "Show admin console"? in the admin toolbar?20:35
mediakwhen they click "Edit" - it opens the edit page layout window and on the right side it says "Show admin console", and I cannot find a way to get rid of it20:36
+perlDreamermediak, there's no way to do what you're asking.  It's not a templatable function.20:36
+perlDreamerIf they can Turn On Admin (to get to editing controls) they will be able to see the Show Admin Console link20:37
+perlDreamerand I take that back20:37
+perlDreamerit is templatable20:37
mediaki understand that - but is there a ui level that doesnt show it?20:37
+perlDreamerno20:37
+perlDreamersee WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm for the code that generates the editing interface that you're concerned about20:37
mediakkk20:38
knowmadthanks for the help pd20:39
+perlDreamermediak, a good option would be to put your restricted users in a special group20:39
+perlDreamerCall it No Console20:39
mediaki have made a group but dont know how to set it not to show the console20:40
+perlDreamerThen, edit the default Admin Console template and use the GroupText macro to isolate that link, if that's possible20:40
mediakok i see how that can work.... but how would i make the edit page open with the admin console template that i create rather than the default?20:44
mediakNEVERMIND LOL20:45
mediakjust figured it out20:45
mediaki will use the grouptext macro to only show toggleAdminConsole() is group is Admins20:45
mediakproblem solved20:46
mediakwoot!20:48
mediakthat worked20:48
mediakthanx perlDreamer for the idea20:48
@Haargknowmad: i'm here now20:52
knowmadhey haarg20:53
knowmadthanks for the reply; i've found the problem which was due to a bad sitename configuration20:53
knowmadam posting a reply to the ticket20:54
@Haargok, so it was a spectre issue?20:54
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knowmadwell, insomuch as i had misconfigured my conf file due to some complexities involved in how we have apache configured20:54
knowmadthere's no bug20:55
knowmadif that's what you were asking20:55
knowmadhowever, there is a patch i'm going to submit to provide better error reporting from spectre20:55
@Haargthat would be nice.  i've been meaning to look at getting better error reports out of spectre20:55
@Haargthe current mess of html that gets spit out is rather useless20:56
knowmadwell, it looks like you've already fixed this one in wG 7.5; i was running under 7.4.40 which didn't output the error results from an eval block20:58
knowmadbtw, i also looked up sitename in the Admin Guide and have the answer to my question in the follow-up to my ticket; unless you have more to add, you can close out that ticket20:59
knowmadi concur with you about the "mess of html" being unhelpful in debugging spectre issues20:59
knowmadthat's a bigger problem than i have the tuits for today20:59
@Haargthe thing that's most annoying21:00
@Haargis that what gets output in the log is a 500 error, even though that isn't what happened21:01
@Haargthat 500 error and the html blob are generated by the http client when it can't reach the server21:01
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8330 /tools/ (wgd wg-build wg-reset): 21:05
CIA-6WebGUI: new reset etc script, replacing wg-reset and wg-build21:05
CIA-6WebGUI: additional commands, more consistant arguments, and pluggable.21:05
CIA-6WebGUI: new wgd script is autogenerated based on a set of .pm files.21:05
bunniefoofooI would like to flush out all the 1000s of workflows that are piled up and won't finish, is it dangerous to delete the records in WorkflowInstance and WorkflowInstanceScratch?21:05
@Haargwhat kind of workflows are they21:06
@Haarg?21:06
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bunniefoofoo90% are labeld "get syndicated content"21:08
bunniefoofoo5% are labeld (none)21:08
bunniefoofoo2% are "Sync User Profiels with LDAP"21:08
bunniefoofoopriority is all 20/2021:08
bunniefoofooI have 50 sites hosted, each has ~100-500 waiting workflows21:09
bunniefoofoopasting log extract now21:10
@Haargthe get syndicated content should be ok to delete, but you still should track down what is causing the problem21:10
bunniefoofooall of them say "malformed text data" etc in webgui.log21:11
bunniefoofoohttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m7242601521:11
@Haargwhat version are you running?21:12
bunniefoofoo7.4.4021:12
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bunniefoofoopasted line of code with the problem: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f53e8521:22
bunniefoofoolooking at the WorkflowInstance table, the "parameters" fields all look like this "{ "parameters" : {} }"21:24
bunniefoofoowhich is to say there are no parameters; so JSON::decode_json is throwing up on it? (line 150 Instance.pm) in above paste21:25
bunniefoofoomaybe I need to update JSON.pm?21:25
@Haargthe parameters it is trying to decode is the database field21:25
@Haargso that entire string21:26
@Haargwhich should decode fine21:26
@Haargseems like it is not retrieving it from the db properly21:26
@Haargi'm not certain21:26
bunniefoofoowell, the field in the db does have newlines in it...21:26
bunniefoofoomaybe a text encoding problem?21:27
@Haargnewlines shouldn't be a problem21:27
@Haargmalformed text data., at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"]21:27
@Haargmeans it is trying to decode an empty string21:28
bunniefoofoois {} legal? shouldn't there be something in there?21:28
+perlDreamer{} is legal21:28
+perlDreamerit's an empty JSON hash21:28
bunniefoofoook21:28
bunniefoofooweird, i will print out the field before parsing to see whats in there21:29
@HaargperlDreamer, do you use anything like jt's resetdev or my wg-reset script?21:30
+perlDreamerI use a slightly customized resetdev21:30
+perlDreamerShould I be excited about your recent commit? :)21:30
@Haargok, i just stuck a new version of my thing into svn/tools21:30
@Haargyou might be interested21:31
+perlDreamersweet!  I'll check it out21:31
@Haargit has some additional commands21:31
@Haargand has help now21:31
@Haargso it's not a complete mystery how it works21:31
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bunniefoofoook I found out more about my WorkflowInstance problem22:09
bunniefoofoowhen spectre starts, it looks like a whole bunch of workfowinstance objects are new'd and passed the correct field from workflowinstance thable, that is an empty parameters hash22:10
bunniefoofoobut when the workflows go to run, a new workflow instance is created with empty parameters hash22:10
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bunniefoofooso I need to look closer at how spectre works I guess22:11
bunniefoofoohow can I print a backtrace in perl?22:12
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Bernd_bopbop, do you have a minute to help me harmonize settings for the German forum?22:16
@bopbopsure22:16
BartJolfull room again22:16
Bernd_I do not know what to set for karma and archival22:16
Bernd_What is set for the other fora?22:16
Bernd_I do not have permission to view...22:16
@bopbophang on- I'll head out there and take a look22:16
Bernd_Thanks!22:16
@bopbopI'll go ahead and edit the German forum to match, instead of telling you out here22:17
Bernd_Even better. Thanks again!22:18
@bopbopBernd_: you should be set now22:18
@bopboptake a look and let me know if you have any other questions22:18
Bernd_Ok, checking...22:19
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bunniefoofoorefresher on my workflow problem: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f53e8522:35
bunniefoofoothe problem appears to be that these workflow instances in the database have NULL parameters22:35
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bunniefoofoothe NULL is interpreted as an empty string in the resulting database query, which is passed to JSON::decode_json() which is illegal22:36
bunniefoofoothe question remains how I should go about fixing this22:36
bunniefoofooI could simply assign empty parameters to all the NULLs in the WorkflowInstance table22:37
@Haargfor the syndicated content workflows you should just be able to delete them22:38
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bunniefoofooupdate WorkflowInstance set parameters='{"parameters": {}}' where parameters is NULL;22:44
bunniefoofooseems to fix the problem22:44
bunniefoofooat least no more error output, don't know if bogus workflows will continue to generate22:44
bunniefoofoois there a script written to run a query on all webgui sites?23:08
@Haargnothing i know of off hand23:08
BartJolbunniefoofoo: what are you looking for?23:10
bunniefoofooI have an update query which fixes a bug and I need to run it on ~50 databases23:10
BartJolai23:10
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BartJolI'm not an mysql wizard, but can't you do that by logging in in mysql as the admin user?23:13
+perlDreamerSounds kind of like a WebGUI upgrade script23:16
+perlDreamerit would iterate over all config files, then run the query on each one...23:16
Bernd_Yeah, upgrade script!23:16
+perlDreamerthere's an upgrade script skeleton in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades23:16
Bernd_There is a template.23:16
BartJolthat qould be the other option....23:16
Bernd_Exactly that one.23:16
bunniefoofooI don't know, I'm not that familiar with mysql either, i guess I should hack the upgrade script...23:16
+perlDreamerbunniefoofoo, do you know perl?23:17
BartJols/q/w23:17
bunniefoofooyes23:17
+perlDreamerthen you'll be fine23:17
@Haargupgrade scripts themselves don't run on multiple databases though23:17
+perlDreamerno, they run on multiple config files23:17
@Haargno23:18
@Haargupgrade.pl does that23:18
+perlDreamerhm23:18
@Haargthe upgrade script itself only operates on a single config23:18
@Haargis there a way to get xargs to run a command once per parameter?23:19
+perlDreamersure23:19
+perlDreamerls something | xargs 23:19
bunniefoofooI am looking at "wre/webguiupdate" which runs on multiple configs23:19
@Haargxargs with no params will add all the params for a single run though23:20
@Haargbunniefoofoo, you may have better luck with WebGUI/sbin/search.pl23:20
@Haargit optionally operates across multiple sites23:20
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bunniefoofooofftopic, does anyone know when the arrow keys stopped working in vi, this is driving me nuts23:29
BartJolmaybe use vim instead23:29
bunniefoofoothanks, I always assumed vim was the default, I guess not23:31
BartJol not bnecessarily23:31
bunniefoofooubuntu defaults to vim-tiny which has the problem I guess23:32
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@Haargvi will sometimes run vim instead, but in that case vim will use vi emulation mode or such23:32
Bernd_perlDreamer, can you tell were default profile fields are defined that are created whenever a new site is created?23:33
Bernd_tell me23:33
Bernd_I am asking, because the showOnline field is still not created when I a create a new site.23:33
Bernd_That is at least true for my local installation.23:33
Bernd_Did I miss some upgrade script here?23:33
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+perlDreamerBernd_: for a brand new site, it would be create.sql23:35
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+perlDreamerbut it's only in the 7.6 branch23:35
Bernd_one moment23:36
Bernd_brushing my teeth :-)23:36
+perlDreamernp ;)23:36
+perlDreamerI'll have some lunch23:36
BartJoloh, is it personal grooming time, maybe I should hone my razor23:36
+perlDreameryou hippy!23:37
BartJolthere's an IRC channel for that too!23:37
+perlDreamerdid you see that I made some i18n commits for you to fix?23:37
BartJol#srp23:37
BartJolwell, I fixed 7.6.223:37
BartJolbut haven't looked further yet23:37
BartJolcan't do anthing between versions as far as I know23:38
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Bernd_I am back again.23:38
Bernd_Do I have to add the field to create.sql, too?23:39
Bernd_perlDreamer, having lunch?23:39
Bernd_Can you type with one hand?23:40
Bernd_Hey, I want to go to bed!23:40
Bernd_Hm.23:40
Bernd_Going to bug you tomorrow.23:40
Bernd_Good night!23:40
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+perlDreamerBernd_: Just in case you check the IRC logs23:56
+perlDreamerThe user profile fixes will be included in 7.6.323:57
+perlDreamerI missed the 7.6.2 release deadline23:57
+perlDreamerif you grab a copy from SVN, it will be in there23:58
+perlDreamerand I hand tested that the user profile field is added to make sure that it worked correctly23:58
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BartJolBernd is gone perlDreamer00:00
+perlDreamerDas wich ich schoen00:00
@Haarg"$self->log('wtf am I faling for');" heh00:00
+perlDreamerHaarg, did the i18n english echo conversation go anywhere?00:01
BartJoltyping?00:01
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bunniefoofoowhy would a completed workflow return to the runnable state?, and then run again immediately00:11
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8331 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Removed all instances of srand. This is called implicitily by rand and be dangerous if called mulitple times by the same process.00:11
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8332 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Removed all instances of srand. This is called implicitily by rand and be dangerous if called mulitple times by the same process.00:11
bunniefoofoohttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m6d6300de00:12
BartJolbunniefoofoo: what do you mean exactly, it only completes activities (parts of workflows)00:17
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: You are a programmer of incredible wisdom and insight.00:17
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: ah, or someone who can read00:17
topsubI am trying to write this activity but its winning.. here is my error http://webgui.pastebin.com/m36c9e645 here is my activity. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6ed1639400:19
topsubI also can't seem to get my test to pass it keeps saying "Can't locate object method "create" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::DeleteBroadcast" at DeleteBroadcast.t line 32." but i am using base00:19
topsubSo am kinda confused as to what ia m doing wrong or what i am missing00:20
+perlDreamerperl -wc myActivity?00:20
topsubDeleteBroadcast.pm syntax OK00:21
+perlDreamercan you paste the test, too?00:22
topsubhere is my stripped version with just trying to setup the activity.. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7129a3400:23
+perlDreamerDo you see the problem in the test, or when spectre runs, too?00:23
topsubwhen i run the test i get this.. Can't locate object method "create" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::DeleteBroadcast" at DeleteBroadcast.t line 32.00:24
topsubthat other pastebin error was from running it threw the website00:24
topsubwhen i run the test i dont' see anyoutput into webgui.log00:24
+perlDreamerI don't know why it isn't inheriting, but you can't call create without a workflow Id00:25
+perlDreameror an activity Id00:25
+perlDreamerno, activity Id is fine without00:26
topsubhmm i am taking this code from stuff william did00:26
topsubnot saying he is right00:26
topsubbut seems we have it in bunch of our activity test that were created before00:26
+perlDreamerI wrote an activity test.  t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.pm00:26
+perlDreamerthere are lots of pitfalls in activities00:26
topsubso your saying i need an workflowID00:27
+perlDreamerwell, yes and no00:27
topsubseems my problem now is its just not inheriting00:27
+perlDreamerIf it could find create, you'd need a Workflow id00:27
+perlDreamerdoes DeleteBroadcast live in /data/WebGUI/lib or elsewhere?00:27
topsublives in /data/site/nci/lib...00:28
topsuba custom directory00:28
+perlDreamerjust for kicks, try moving it next to the others00:28
topsublike in /data/WebGUI/t/WorkflowActivity?00:29
+perlDreamerlike /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity00:29
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topsuboh wait not my test00:29
topsubthe workflow00:29
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+perlDreamerright00:30
@HaargperlDreamer, i18n english echo conversation?00:30
+perlDreamerHaarg, the idea that for english, i18n would simply always echo what it was sent00:30
@Haargah00:30
+perlDreamerwith 4 exceptions, the i18n test will locate and tabulate all usage of i18n for you00:31
@Haargwell, there's the unsolved problem of what to do for namespaces and the translation server00:31
@Haargthe i18n test could be a foundation for that, but it doesn't fully work yet00:31
+perlDreamerit probably won't ever fully work.  But it only fails on 4 i18n calls in all of WebGUI00:32
+perlDreamerHelp lookups, one place in Auth/LDAP and two others that I'm forgetting about, but are documented inside the test00:32
topsubah.. i think my problem was somehow i had a copy of it in the webgui/lib/webgui... directory so it was confused00:32
topsubnow i get the error "Can't use string ("OZcU-NGUoDbSMnEuFHiIPQ") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135." Does this go back to what you were saying before pd?00:32
+perlDreamerthe translation server should be a no-op, since we're only changing the keys, not the values00:32
@Haargyeah, the translation server itself isn't the problem00:33
+perlDreamertopsub, probably :)00:33
@Haargit's getting the list of all keys in the future00:33
SDuensinHey, is there an easy way to have the WRE send non-WebGUI requests to another Apache?  Currently, I'm making a conf for each non-WebGUI site and it's a pain.00:33
@Haargi need to learn more about PPI00:33
@Haargwith the wre by default, all non-webgui content is handled by the mod_proxy server00:34
SDuensinHaarg - Yea, but where does it go?  :-)  Basically I want www.notwebgui.com to be sent to another Apache for handling.00:35
@Haargyou can create a different vhost for that domain00:35
@Haargjust like are in the .modproxy files00:35
@Haargthen you could either have mod_proxy serve the files directly00:35
@Haargor have a redirect with a proxy to direct it to a different web server00:36
@Haargrather, have a rewrite00:36
+perlDreamerHaarg, anytime i18n keys are generated programmatically, like in Auth/LDAP.pm, you will never be able to scan for them.00:36
@Haargyeah00:36
+perlDreamerSo I was thinking a list of exclusions that have to be done manually00:36
+perlDreamerwith a STRONG discouragement from doing things that way00:36
+perlDreamerlike losing your SVN commit access00:37
SDuensinHaarg - That's what I have now.  I was hoping for a "default" if a non-WebGUI site was encountered.00:37
@Haargthe other case that isn't currently handled is scoping00:37
+perlDreamerI know.  I can't make Perl::Critic reentrant without violating the module contract00:37
+perlDreamerbut there are only a few scoping errors, and they can be written out00:38
@Haargwell00:38
@Haargi don't have a good answer for the test00:38
@Haargbut we could do whatever we want for a script using ppi00:38
@Haargit will load the first vhost if you don't have one specified with a matching servername or serveralias00:38
+perlDreamerWriting the PPI by hand would not be very fun.  That's why I chose Perl::Critic.00:39
+perlDreamermaybe you could ask Chris Dolan's opinion at your next monger meeting00:39
@Haargwell, perl::critic makes sense for a test00:39
@Haargi may00:39
@Haargso you can create a file like 000-default.modproxy00:39
bunniefoofooi am still wondering if I can kill all workflows with no ill side-effects00:39
@Haargand it will be loaded first00:39
bunniefoofooi have 11900 workflows and they aren't going anywhere00:39
@Haargbunniefoofoo, you can for the syndicated content ones00:39
@Haargand probably the ldap ones as well00:40
@Haargwithout knowing what the remaining ones are i couldn't say00:40
SDuensinHaarg - But it only does that if it doesn't find a better match?00:40
@Haargyes00:40
SDuensinOk, coolness.  :-)  Thanks!00:40
@Haargso just have your default vhost in that initial file00:41
CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8333 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: Added Compare box to Matrix v200:48
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bunniefoofoohaarg, assuming the sites are not live, can I kill the workflows?00:53
@Haargfor the syndicated content ones, yes00:53
bunniefoofoowell I did that and still 6600 workflows left00:55
bunniefoofooanother option would be to accelerate spectre so it doesn't pause between workflows00:56
bunniefoofoosince the sites won't be live when I do this00:56
bunniefoofooright now it only does 1 workflow per second, about00:56
@Haargwhat are the other workflows?00:57
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@Haargthe ldap ones should be ok to remove as well00:57
bunniefoofoothey are all hourly and daily maintenance tasks00:57
@Haargok00:57
@Haargthose are all fine to kill00:57
elninohmmm. I have some things that archived in some collaboration systesm. how does someone in marketing find these and "unarchive them?"00:57
@Haargsearch will find them00:58
@Haargor a direct link00:58
elninoassuing you remember the name or the links....00:58
bunniefoofooexample: process recurring payments, sycn user profiles with ldap, expire old subscription codes, "(none)", delete expired sessions, etc00:58
bunniefoofoomost of them now are "(none)"00:58
bunniefoofoolisted as hourly00:58
@Haargyeah, you can remove any of the maintenance workflows00:59
@Haargyou said you are on 7.4.40 right?01:00
@Haargit would probably be a good idea to change the scheduled workflows to all be singleton01:00
@Haargwe changed that in 7.501:00
bunniefoofooyeah01:02
bunniefoofooif I can get this running without spewing errors like crazy I will upgrade01:02
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bunniefoofoowell, I'm down to 450 workflows (deleted hourly/weekly/monthly maintenance workflows) 01:07
bunniefoofooI'll let it run tonight and see if these things all flush out01:07
bunniefoofoothanks for the help haarg01:07
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bunniefoofoodo I need wre 0.8.5 to upgrade to 7.5.x or can I scrape by on wre 0.7.x01:10
BartJolI would upgrade01:11
BartJolnot sure whether it is absolutely necessary01:11
bunniefoofooI would rather not since it may be tricky to get all the sites integrated01:12
bunniefoofoobut I am worried about security issues with old apache/perl/mysql etc01:12
BartJolcheck http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/migration-to-wre-0.801:13
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elninohmm. I was hoping to whip upa report that would give me a list of posts/threads that have been archived. but I see no "bit" setting for archived. How does one determine if a post is archived?01:19
+perlDreamerI believe that you check the asset status.01:21
elninoI see the collaboration.archiveafter db field. do you compare that with the "lastpostdate" of the thread??01:22
elninooh. Lettme look at the asset status.01:22
+perlDreamerlook for "archived"01:22
elninook. I'll take a look. Thanks! I think I'll post this on the bazzar when done, I would think this would be helpful.01:24
+perlDreamerGood idea!01:25
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elninohey preaction.. I'm searching for class type "WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread:, and the three threads that I know that are archived, have a assetData.status of "published"... is there another field that you recommend I look at?02:28
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elninohey preaction, don't know if you answered my last question long ago.. Kinda dropped off: I'm searching for class type "WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread:, and the three threads that I know that are archived, have a assetData.status of "published"... is there another field that you recommend I look at?06:29
elninooh. dumb. Hold on.06:31
elninogot it. I'm gonig to make a template and post it.06:36
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Guest69129Hi17:18
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danny_mkGood day everyone17:26
danny_mkanyone using the webservices wobject?17:27
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danny_mkthree months ago got this new job and I am trying to sell webgui as a viable web development system17:28
danny_mkif anyone has used the webservices wobject I could use a little help17:29
@perlmonkey2danny_mk: what's the issue?17:29
@preactionheh, it's a hunk of junk :p17:30
danny_mkjust the "SOAP Call Parameters" I wanted to use the FormParam macro but even when I put a static value in the box 17:30
danny_mkthe webservice does not seem to receive the parameter17:31
danny_mkI wrote a small script to test the webservice and it works 17:31
danny_mkhmmm... maybe I should test a public webservice first huh?17:31
danny_mkHey preaction, has there been any progress on the chat wobject?17:32
@preactiondanny_mk, none. there are still the two prototypes. one doesn't have many features, but is stable and fast. the other has lots of specific features and is slow and poorly-coded17:33
danny_mkWould you guys mind if I did it my way?  I would like to take it on as it is a much needed wobject in my book17:34
danny_mkI was given the code once but it did not even run on my development system17:36
danny_mkmaybe I need to play with it some more17:36
@preactionyes, that was the second prototype i mentioned. the first one was only given at the WUC'0717:37
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danny_mkwhich one do you prefer?17:37
@preactioni wrote them both and they both fulfill exactly what i wanted them to17:37
danny_mkLOL17:37
@preactioni would think it easier to change the smaller one into something more powerful than to hack the larger one into a more generally useful application17:38
danny_mkare they available now in the bazaar area?17:38
@preactionno17:39
@preactionthe one you have will never be in the bazaar17:39
@preactionunless you modify it extensively17:39
danny_mkOK, where can I get a copy of the small one?17:39
@preactionthe other one is on http://webgui.tv in the Writing With YUI presentation17:40
danny_mkShoutbox.pm ???17:41
@preactionthe Shoutbox.pm17:41
danny_mkah, ok, thank you.17:41
@preactionalso, YMMV. that code was written for 7.417:44
@preactionas you can see though, it's insanely small17:44
danny_mkit is ok, I can work with that.  Will give you an update when I make some progress17:44
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wgGuestI have a blog related question, is there someone who might be able to help?18:07
@preactionperlbot ask18:07
@preactionperlbot?18:07
@preactionhell18:07
@preactionwgGuest, just ask, don't ask to ask.18:07
wgGuestI've got a blog setup on a site, but when I go to add a post I can add a subject, but the WYSIWYG editor doesn't allow me to click into it.  It's unresponsive.  Any ideas?18:08
@preactionis it loading? what's changed? what browser are you using? was it ever working?18:09
wgGuestThe editor is showing up, I just can't get focus in it actually edit.  the only change was adding the collaboration system.  I've tried this in FF3, IE7, and some early version of Chrome.  And no, it has not worked since I added it this morning, this is the first time I've tried to add a blog.18:12
@preactionAre you sure it doesn't have focus? have you tried typing things into it? What version of WebGUI are you using?18:13
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wgGuestnope, no focus.  tried clicking into it and typing and got nothing.  my curson also doesn't switch from an arrow to a text curson when I mouseover the text box.  The meta tag in my headers is saying "WebGUI 7.5.27".18:16
@preactioncan you reproduce on the demo server?18:16
wgGuestI haven't tried18:17
wgGuestlet me give that a shot.18:17
wgGuestI'm just wondering if it has something to do with our custom theme18:17
@preactionit's possible, which is why you try to reproduce on a different site18:18
wgGuestsure, setting it up now.18:19
wgGuestAble to edit in the demo environment.18:21
wgGuestI'm wondering if maybe there's some sort of onLoad/onDOMReady type JS stuff that I've failed to add to our theme.18:21
wgGuestI know I had a similar issue once with Drupal, where I had failed to include something like that.18:22
@preactionthe javascript for the tinymce editor should get loaded automatically. it is possible that something could be clobbering it before it has a chance to load though18:23
wgGuestWhat sort of things might do that?18:24
wgGuestJavaScript18:24
wgGuestor layout stuff?18:24
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@preactionjavascript18:24
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@preactionhm... deja-vu18:24
wgGuestI guess, being unfamiliar with the WG internals or TinyMCE, what should I be looking for?18:25
+perlDreamerpreaction, when making a js i18n object, do you have to specify all the labels that you want to fetch?18:27
@preactionperlDreamer, presently, yes18:27
+perlDreamerokay.18:28
+perlDreamerI'm going to try a foray into js this week with some i18n18:28
@preactionthere are some revisions i want to make, where you can just specify the namespace and get them all back, some page-level caching, and some more intelligent lazy-loading, but that's in the future18:28
@preactionwgGuest, i would first check for any JS errors by using Firebug, barring that, i would start set some breakpoints to make sure the tinyMCE was getting initialized properly.18:29
wgGuestI see no errors in my Error Console on FF3.18:29
wgGuestFirebug makes my computer almost unusable unfortunately18:30
wgGuestor at least did when I tried it last, maybe I'm not setting something up correctly though.18:30
wgGuestincorrectly, rather.18:30
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wgGuestpreaction, would my having JS in the body's onload conflict with some handler for TinyMCE?18:34
@preactionit might18:34
wgGuestany idea on a workaround to get my JS and the TinyMCE JS to both do things onLoad?18:36
@perlmonkey2hmm, I seem to recall that there is another event you want to hook into for onLoad, since you can clobber other onLoads.  Can't remember what it is.18:43
@perlmonkey2onDOMReady18:44
@preactionwgGuest, did you first just try removing your stuff to see if the tinymce loads?18:50
wgGuestno, I will do that.18:51
wgGuestthat has enabled the TineMCE editor, so I guess it's now just a question of figuring out how to do the various onLoad things for mine and TinyMCE's JS.18:55
wgGuestThanks for helping with this.18:56
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* perlDreamer goes to the gym.19:16
Mech422wgGuest: Plone uses a 'register()' type js function to allow multiple functions to be called when onLoad() fires...19:21
Mech422wgGuest: perhaps you can do something like that ?19:21
@perlmonkey2Tricky question about the SQLReports and the direct access hash for the template db columns.  row.field.name with spaces.value will never work.  So if you want to use a direct access to a column, outside of a loop, of a name with spaces, it won't work.  Is there any reason we can't replaces \s with _ ?19:21
wgGuestMech422, I actually removed my initialization stuff from the onLoad19:21
wgGuestand used setTimeout19:21
wgGuestto call that19:21
wgGuestbut it's still hosing the editor19:21
wgGuestTinyMCE loads and is usable for a 2 seconds (the length of the timer on my setTimeout) but as soon as my code runs, TinyMCE stops working, and I'm not sure why.19:22
wgGuestmy code basically sets up some clouds scrolling in the background19:23
wgGuestso I'm not sure if it's because it's modifying the DOM by adding elements19:23
wgGuestor what.19:23
wgGuestbut something in there is doing something TinyMCE can't cope with.19:24
Mech422wgGuest: Hmm - adding elements might piss it off... have you tried running your code FIRST, then tinymce ?19:24
Mech422this way, the dom doesn't change after tinymce is initialized ?19:25
wgGuestI'm not sure how to do that, TinyMCE is adding it's onload (or whatever) handler somewhere in its code and I don't have access to that19:28
wgGuestit's be added by WG.19:28
wgGuestunless you know of a way to tweak that?19:28
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Mech422wgGuest: oh - its not a custom template ?19:33
Mech422wgGuest: I thought you had a custom template you were hacking and could just reverse the includes :-P19:34
wgGuestno, it is custom, but the blog editor that uses TinyMCE is generated by WG and it's adding in all of the JS includes19:37
wgGuestis there a way to tweak that stuff?19:37
wgGuestI am by no means a WG expert.19:37
wgGuestbut I'm sure that's fairly obvious.19:37
Mech422my understanding is that you can change the template used to display each type of content, as well as the overall page...19:39
Mech422I would probably create a 'custom template' for the blog stuff, and manually build up the js stuff just so I could see what was going on19:40
wgGuestI guess I'll have to do some reading on that, I'm not at all familiar with the process.19:40
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I think you're good to go with that.  No problems with backwards compatibility :)20:09
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: that's what knowmad and I concluded20:10
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+perlDreamerwell, y'all are the pros20:10
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8334 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm now allows you to edit existing tabs20:21
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, perlmonkey220:33
+perlDreamerHe's our man20:33
+perlDreamerIf he can't20:33
+perlDreamerdo it20:33
+perlDreamerWe're in deep shit20:33
knowmadAye! Go perlmonkey2!20:33
+perlDreamer...That should be an indicator of just how crappy $dayJob is currently.20:33
@perlmonkey2hahahahaha20:33
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I hear there is always a place for you in Madison.20:34
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+perlDreamerI have thought a lot about that, perlmonkey2.20:35
knowmadhey, perlDreamer hope you're tunneling this IRC conversation :)20:35
+perlDreamerNo.  They know that morale is poor.20:35
knowmadthat sucks but i like that chatter i'm hearing here....20:36
bunniefoofoois there a way to increase the rate the spectre processes workflows, I don't think it is fast enough to keep up with 70 sites20:54
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bunniefoofooI had 120 workflows waiting last night, now I have 94020:57
bunniefoofoothe sites are not live so I am wondering whats wrong20:58
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knowmadyou sure spectre is working?21:18
knowmadhave you run spectre --test?21:18
@rizenbunniefoofoo are your maxworkers set to 5, and seconds between workflows set to 1?21:20
+perlDreamerpreaction: How do I attach the i18n object to a master/container object?21:32
+perlDreamerI made a half-hearted attempt to port what was in DataTable for i18n to the AssetManager21:37
@preactionperlDreamer, in your constructor do something like this.i18n = new WebGUI.i18n();21:43
@preactionthen you can put the namespace and keys you need in that new WebGUI.i18n( ... ) call21:43
+perlDreameryes21:44
@preactionyou can also have it run something when it gets the answer back from the server, like your object's real init function21:44
+perlDreamerpreaction: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f6c3f621:49
+perlDreamerLines 332-344 is the init code21:49
+perlDreamerand I try to use it on line 64 to i18n the Edit label21:49
@preactionah, that's not OO code, that's functional code21:50
@preactionso instead of this, try something like WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n = 21:51
@preactionthen use that to refer to it21:51
@preactionill admit it's a bit clunky21:51
+perlDreamerfor access, WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n.get21:51
+perlDreamer?21:51
@preactionyeah21:51
+perlDreamerI was feeling my oats this morning with the i18n issues, but I think for now I'll leave the declunkification of the AssetManager to the masters21:52
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bunniefoofoorizen, it was on workers 3 time between 4, I changed to 5/1 and I'll see if that works, thanks21:57
@rizenthat will work21:57
+perlDreamerpreaction, no go.  I'll repaste some more code.21:59
+perlDreamerafter lunch22:01
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@perlmonkey2preaction: what should happen when a user clicks on a package in the assetManager?22:51
@perlmonkey2shoudl it deploy that package to the parent of hte page?22:52
@perlmonkey2or is the problem it deploys to that page, but then also shows view on the new asset?22:53
@Haargsounds like the problem is that it views the new asset23:00
@Haarginstead of returning to the asset manager23:01
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@perlmonkey2assets containing other assets is done through lineage, right?  So if there is a bug where moving an asset to another asset causes all of its revisions to also move, that would be something altering the lineage of all versions?00:00
@preactionperlmonkey2, lineage isn't versioned00:00
@preactionsomehow all the revisions are being placed under the same tagId (located in the assetData table)00:01
@perlmonkey2and it is also how assets know their child/parent relation?00:01
@preactionlineage and parentId are how they know, yes00:01
@perlmonkey2if lineage isn't versioned, then when an asset is moved, all of its versions are also moved, rigth?00:02
@Haargmoved in the tree, yes00:02
@perlmonkey2then is http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/8837  a bug then?00:03
@preactioni wouldn't think of it like that, lineage and versioning do not interact. that's why cut and copy warn you "this change is not versioned"00:03
@perlmonkey2oh, I'm misreading the bug.  Its about moving an asset into a version, not under a new asset.00:03
@preactionyeah, it's the WebGUI::Operation::VersionTag screen00:04
@preactionwww_manageRevisionsInTag or something00:04
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@preactionquick OT question: Is it RFC822 / 2822 legal to not have a From: header in an e-mail?00:10
@Haargperlmonkey2: looks like it's a problem in Asset::setVersionTag00:16
@perlmonkey2ah, someone with higher privs than me, can you tell me if force ssl login is set at pb.com?00:18
Lisettehow to do to get the total price of the cart?00:18
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+perlDreamerLisette: perldoc WebGUI::Shop::Cart00:25
+perlDreamerpreaction, no luck with clunky assignment00:33
+perlDreamerWebGUI.AssetManager.i18n = new WebGUI.i18n( {00:33
@perlmonkey2can an asset get its version id?00:33
@perlmonkey2$self->session->db->write("update assetData set tagId=? where assetId=?", [$tagId, $self->getId]); needs to only update the tagId of the selected tagId, not all assetId's.00:34
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, that's exactly right00:34
@perlmonkey2so now I need to find out how to get the current version tag id.00:35
+perlDreamerin sql or in perl?00:35
+perlDreamerin sql, I'd use max versionDate00:35
@Haarg->get('tagId')00:35
@Haargor ->get('revisionDate')00:36
@perlmonkey2where assetId = $self->getId() and tagId = $self->get('tagId')00:36
@perlmonkey2that will get the current version's info and not the last version's info?00:36
@perlmonkey2I guess so.  only makes sense.00:37
@perlmonkey2else versioning wouldn't work :)00:37
@Haarghmm00:38
@Haargwell, from the look of the ui, it is revision based, not asset based00:38
@Haargso you'd want to follow what it says in the pod for setVersionTag - change only the current revision00:39
@preactionperlDreamer, the issue is that it makes an AJAX call, so you need to wait for that to return before you can use any labels. 00:39
@preactionAJAX is async, so you have to have a callback, hence the "onpreload" event00:40
@preactionquestion for the crowd: Is it Good that we allow multiple revisions of the same asset in a single version tag, or should those be consolidated into one revision?00:41
@preactionimho it's more confusing than anything00:41
@preaction(having multiple revisions of the same asset in a version tag)00:42
@Haargi'm not sure00:42
@preactioni understand the benefits, but i don't think the added complexity is worth it00:43
@Haargadded complexity for the user you mean?00:43
@Haargbecause changing it would involve extra complexity in the code unless i'm missing something00:43
@preactionyeah for the end-user00:44
@preactionit wouldn't be too much complexity in the code, a hook in addRevision, no?00:44
@preactionwell, some code in there at least00:44
@preactionthat may not be the ideal solution of course00:44
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+perlDreamerpreaction, I'm going to need some help with the callback, too.01:09
@preactionperlDreamer, okay. basically take everything that was in that initialization function and put it in a new function (initDataTable perhaps). then create the i18n in the original init function and have it have the following additional config:01:11
@preactiononpreload : WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable01:12
@preactionthat should work01:12
@preactionif it doesn't, try -- onpreload : { fn: WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable }01:12
+perlDreamerso the only thing in WebGUI.AssetManager.initManager should be the i18n instanciation?01:12
@preactionyup01:13
@preactionunless there's something you don't need i18n for01:13
@preactioni realize it's kind of a roundabout way to do this, but imho it's cleaner maintenance: it keeps everything in JS. there's more of the asset manager that could be in the JS, and just the data methods are AJAX calls written in Perl01:14
+perlDreamerI agree.  And I like the wholesale prefetch better than a post-init, fetch on demand01:16
+perlDreamerbut it's not working01:16
+perlDreamernow the whole data table is gone01:16
+perlDreamerand the error console is empty of everything but sam warnings01:16
+perlDreamerHere's a paste: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7054bc4801:18
@preactionperlDreamer, trailing comma line 22101:19
@preactionalso line 21701:19
@preactionand 351-363 aren't needed01:20
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@Haargperlmonkey2, you around?01:36
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+perlDreamerpreaction: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m555e3f2101:46
+perlDreamerstill no datatable01:46
@preactioncaching problem perhaps? firebug active?01:50
+perlDreamerno firebug02:01
+perlDreamerI'll kill my caches on server and client and try agani02:01
+perlDreameragain02:01
SDuensinEvening all.02:03
+perlDreamerHowdy, SDuensin02:08
SDuensinWhat's the word?  I've been out.02:10
* perlDreamer does not know JS. That's the word.02:11
@preactionThunderbird!02:11
SDuensinJS isn't too bad once you get the hang of it.02:12
SDuensinGo crazy and just use ObjJ.  :-)02:17
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8337 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm Event.pm Wobject/Survey.pm): clean up pod, syntax, warning problems03:48
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8338 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): improved performance of file uploads and changed format of created uploads locations, avoiding case sensitivity problems03:48
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8340 /WebGUI/ (25 files in 11 dirs): Backing out Survey for now04:59
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8341 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.3 release04:59
+perlDreamerNo Survey2?05:01
+perlDreamerWhat's up?05:02
@khennI believe survey2 is getting a manicure05:02
@Haargupgrade is messed up05:02
+perlDreamerI see.  Cuticles, nails, buff and polish?05:02
@Haargi'm not going to be able to get it working tonight, so i'm pulling it out so i can release05:03
@khennor that05:03
+perlDreamerYou were close, khenn05:04
@khennclose only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear bombs05:05
@khenn=)05:05
+perlDreamerWhat about bean farts?05:05
@khennnope05:06
+perlDreameror is that included in the nuclear bomb category?05:06
@khennheh05:06
+perlDreamertime to transform from overworked chip designer into child hygiene specialist05:06
+perlDreamerbbiaw05:06
@khennI suppose 05:06
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8342 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.3-beta: Release 7.6.3-beta05:31
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8343 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.4 dev05:31
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8344 /WebGUI/ (25 files in 10 dirs): adding survey back in05:31
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CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8345 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (6 files): Update from translation server15:31
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SDuensinGreetings.16:22
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ckotilAny ideas on this workflow error Im seeing after upgrading? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7a55d78d16:31
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ckotilcould the 'wait until' activity be the reason for the undefined value as a scalar reference?16:39
ckotilthe wait until activity is missing from my workflows.16:39
BartJolI think it cam16:40
BartJolcan16:40
ckotili sure hope so16:40
BartJolif it's undefined16:40
ckotilwill i need to recreate my workflows to incorporate hte new activity?16:40
BartJolif that is the problem, yes16:41
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BartJol:)16:41
ckotilTHanks16:42
Lisetteanyone knows in which table of database of webgui keeps the data when i add a product in the cart?16:42
BartJolwell, thank me when it helped16:42
BartJolLisette: several16:43
Lisetteyou can tell me?16:43
BartJoldepends on what you need16:44
BartJolProducts are assets, so in the assetData table, in the Product table16:45
BartJolmaybe more16:45
Lisettei need knows that user add a product in the cart16:47
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Lisettehow to do to knows that user add a product in the cart and which?16:55
topsubyou want to know when a user adds a product to the cart and what product?16:56
Lisetteyes16:57
topsubOne way might to alter the add to cart function to call a macro or something to let you know what just got added17:05
@rizenLisette at any time you can query the cart to find out what's in it17:05
SDuensinHey rizen - Sorry I missed your message yesterday.  I was busy being unconscious.17:06
@rizenbut to have it trigger an event in your code...that's not really likely unless you write your own sku's17:06
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Lisettethe table is called cart?17:08
Lisettehe cart does not distinguish a cart for each user?17:10
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@bopbopLisette: I think the cart distinguishes by session, not user17:13
@bopbopbut that's about all I know17:13
SDuensinHey rizen_ - Sorry I missed your message yesterday.  I was busy being unconscious.   (Resent since you pinged out.)17:13
rizen_Lisette: if you call my $cart = WebGUI::Shop::Cart->newBySession($session);17:15
rizen_that will get you a cart object17:15
rizen_and then you can call getItems() on the cart object17:15
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@rizenthat will get you a list of items that are in the cart17:16
@rizenfor the current user17:16
Lisettethanks17:20
Lisetteand how to do to know when the checkout is successful, the keeps in any table?17:22
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@preactionLisette, once the checkout is successful it's not a cart anymore, it's a transaction. you can use WebGUI::Shop::Transaction to get at it17:27
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Lisettei can use this in a macro?17:31
Lisettealls transactions are in the table transaction?17:34
@rizenyes, but don't query the table directly17:34
@rizenuse the API17:34
Lisetteif i need consult that user buy a specific item in any time, i can use the api? 17:36
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Lisette?17:46
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carograyquick question on looking at list of users in Admin Console17:53
carograygood morning/afternoon17:53
carograyin the column that says "status" 2 people have "success" in their row17:54
carograywhat does "success" mean and what about the people who have nothing in the "status" column in their row - what is going with them?17:54
+MrHairgreaselisette: you can use the api for virtually anything you want to ask webgui17:56
+MrHairgreaseif you are writing sql queries againt the webgui tables there's a big chance you should be using the api17:57
@rizensuccess means they have successfully logged in17:57
@rizenat some point17:57
Lisettebut how to create the new object? i have do a query with the id?17:58
+MrHairgreaseno17:58
+MrHairgreasejust read the documentation17:58
Lisetteok17:58
@rizencarogray...it shows you whether their last login was successful, a failure, or if they never tried to log in17:58
+MrHairgreaseyou proilly want to look at WebGUI::Shop::transaction17:58
+MrHairgreaseand WG::S::TransactionItem17:59
+MrHairgreaseanyway17:59
+MrHairgreasebye17:59
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8346 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): When you move an asset to a new version, only the current version is moved, instead of all of them.18:05
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8347 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): When you move an asset to a new version, only the current version is moved, instead of all of them.18:05
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Lisettei can know the transaction specific of an user of a item specific?18:46
carograyrizen: thanks for the answers, but does this information get updated when we get an upgrade? One of my editors just tried to login, he has been logging in not frequently but has done so a number of times in the last 2 years and there is no "success" next to his name?18:47
carograyin fact..he phoned me cause He couldn't login - wouldn't that constitute a 'failure" he had the right user name but not the right pw18:48
Lisetteor i have to do process all transaction for a specified user and process all items for each transaction?18:49
@rizencarogray: for a full detailed list check the user login history in the admin console18:49
@rizencarogray: also note that the user login history only lasts for 90 days, there is a workflow the cleans it up...but you can change that if you like18:50
topsubis there an api to add keywords to an asset?18:50
@rizen$asset->update(keywords=>"list of keywords goes here"18:50
@perlmonkey2Anyone have any novel ideas on how to resolve this bug?  I've look through the db and logs and just don't see how it happened.  http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/authentication-problem18:52
@rizenit's likely a problem with SSO.pm in Operation or the two SSO buttons in the upper right corner of the plainblack / webgui site18:54
topsubahh thanks rizen18:54
@rizenif those buttons got cached somehow..they could cause the problem i suppose18:55
Lisette???18:55
@rizenLisette: i have no idea what you're asking, and unfortunately i now have to leave18:58
@rizenread the API18:58
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@Haargperlmonkey2, i've looked at that bug several times and still can't come up with anything19:06
@perlmonkey2Haarg: close it as unrepeatable?19:06
@Haargmy only thought is that the random number generator created two duplicate session ids, but that seems very unlikely19:07
@Haargi guess19:07
@Haargbest i can dome up with19:07
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+perlDreamerpreaction, willing to have another go at it?19:30
+perlDreamerI'll start trying to get firebug installed19:30
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@preactionperlDreamer, i can try to help, but i've got this pesky server performance problem to work out today19:35
+perlDreamerOkay.  I'm just not sure how to go about debugging the js from here.19:36
+perlDreamerthe DataTable in the AssetManager is not showing up at all19:36
+perlDreamerand the Error Console is empty19:36
@preactionperlDreamer, firstly, open Firebug and choose the "Script" tab, then on one of the Options menus there is "Break on all errors", select that and reload20:11
@preactionbe careful though, that may cause firefox itself to start locking up, so have your Force Quit ready20:11
+perlDreamerkill -9 fixes all evils ;)20:12
@preactiondoesn't fix init :P20:14
+perlDreamerpreaction: var postJson = 'request=' + YAHOO.lang.JSON.stringify( obj ) ; ---> YAHOO.lang.JSON has no properties"20:30
@preactionperlDreamer, you need to include $session->url->extras( 'yui/build/json/json-min.js' ); in the page20:31
+perlDreameryou mean that JS doesn't drag it its own dependencies, and they have to be manually resolved at the top?20:53
@preactionessentially yes20:53
@preactioni developed that code before the YUI Loader went stable20:54
@preactionand not sure if it is stable yet technically20:54
carograyrizen: thanks20:56
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+perlDreamerJust came across a good one I thought that I'd share22:05
+perlDreamerI tried to start apache and got this:22:06
+perlDreamer[Wed Nov 12 11:09:08 2008] [crit] (28)No space left on device: mod_rewrite: could not create rewrite_log_lock22:06
+perlDreamerGoogling says that I'm out of sockets, but none of the recommended scripts worked correctly, so I hacked them up to get this:22:06
+perlDreameripcs -s | perl -ane 'next unless /apache/; print `ipcrm sem $F[1]`;'22:06
+perlDreamerand it worked22:06
SDuensinThat's voodoo, man!22:07
+perlDreamerSDuensin, I'm a command-line voodoo shaman22:09
+perlDreamerfor perl22:09
SDuensinNice.  WebGUI + Mac = Painless.22:11
+perlDreamerAll the PB guys dev on Macs.  That's why.22:11
SDuensinThey're geniuses.  I knew it.22:11
+perlDreamerI heard that Jobs gives them a kickback22:14
SDuensinHell.  I should get one.  Even got my M$ Vista Fanboy coworker using a Mac.  :-)22:15
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SDuensinHe's back!22:23
SDuensinThat was a hell of a lunch.  :-)22:23
Lisettei can save data in a different database of webgui in an utility? 22:35
@preactionLisette, you can use DBI to connect to whatever database you want, sure22:36
Lisettehow to do, with $session->dbh?22:36
Lisetteoff course i have $databaseLink22:37
@preactionLisette, if you have a databaselink then do $databaseLink->dbh22:42
@preactioner... $databaseLink->db (it's a WebGUI::SQL object, just like $session->db)22:43
@preactionor you could use DBI directly: use DBI; my $dbh = DBI->connect( ... );22:43
+perlDreamerpreaction: no more JS errors, but no DataTable either22:44
Lisetteok! then i don't need to add of webgui! thanks22:46
@preactionperlDreamer, i would next try to make sure my code was being run. By using the Script tab, you can view the scripts (click on the text next to Inspect to see a list of scripts). You can set a breakpoint on the far left clicking in the gutter.22:50
+perlDreamerroger that, coach22:51
@preactionif the initDataTable isn't getting run, it means something's up with the i18n22:51
@preactionalso, check the Console tab, it should have a list of all the AJAX calls made, along with the response and request data for them22:51
@preactionif the i18n ajax call failed, that might cause what you're seeing22:52
+perlDreamerwhat do green line numbers mean?22:55
@preactionwhere? in the console?22:55
+perlDreamerwhen inspecting a script22:55
@preactiondunno, don't think i've seen a green line number22:55
@preactionlooks like green line numbers are executable lines22:57
@preactionmaybe that means you could enter them into the console command-line?22:57
+perlDreamerI only have green line numbers in the top 20 lines of the file.22:59
+perlDreamerNo dangling comments or anything22:59
+perlDreamerI'll set the breakpoint, in any case.22:59
+perlDreamerAfter setting the breakpoint, how do I rerun the JS?22:59
@preactionreload the page23:00
@preactionthe firebug will keep across reloads or clicked links23:00
+perlDreamerBP1 hit okay23:02
+perlDreamerbut...23:02
+perlDreamera 2nd breakpoint inside the initDataTable function is not hit23:02
+perlDreamerit's like the preload callback inside the i18n isn't being called23:02
+perlDreameronpreload   : {  fn       : WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable222   }23:03
+perlDreamerno 222's there23:03
+perlDreameronpreload   : {  fn       : WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable   }23:03
@preactionnow here's the fun part... set a breakpoint inside www/extras/yui-webgui/build/i18n/i18n.js inside the "success" callback23:06
@preactionset it so you can step through it and see if/where it stops running23:06
SDuensinSaw some talk about git in here awhile back when I was lurking.  PlainBlack still uses SVN, right?23:06
@preactionalternatively, you could add console.log("HI"); to various points in the i18n.js file to see what's happening23:07
@preactionconsole.log() gets picked up by Firebug and put into the Console tab23:07
@preactioni didn't ask: Did a POST show up in the Console tab?23:07
@preactionSDuensin, i believe we'll be moving to git someday23:07
@preactionunless you don't want us to, then we'll stay with SVN23:07
SDuensinOh, good.  :-)23:08
@preactionwait... am i supposed to help you or hinder you?23:08
* SDuensin was wanting to learn git anyway.23:08
SDuensinCurrently yanking down the SVNs of 7.5 and 7.6 though.23:09
Lisetteif i want to know the id of a product or an asset i do the next? $asset->getId; ??23:12
+perlDreamerYes, Lisette.23:13
Lisettethanks23:14
Lisette:D23:14
+perlDreamerpreaction: console panel is disabled23:20
@preactionperlDreamer, that's weird... sounds like a kill -9 situation23:20
@preactionor maybe i just don't know, but that's what i do when firebug starts misbehaving like that23:21
+perlDreamerI think it's working right, I just need to enable the panel23:21
+perlDreamerare onpreload.obj and opt.onpreload.override optional?23:21
+perlDreameralternately, how do I check out this.subscribe?23:21
+perlDreamerwait a sec23:22
+perlDreamerwhen is the callback supposed to be triggered?23:22
+perlDreameron a call to get?23:22
+perlDreamer(crap, meeting in 8 minutes)23:22
@preactionthe callback is supposed to get called after the AJAX call returns23:24
@preactionsee i18n.load 23:24
@preactionit uses YUI Connection to grab a page, and gives a callback to Connection.asyncRequest. this callback then calls the onpreload callback23:25
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8348 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed some caching and parsing problems23:29
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8349 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/GetSyndicatedContent.pm: a little better handling of scratch variables23:29
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8350 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fixes for syndicated content23:29
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8351 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm): fixed: ProfileField->formField now uses the correct method for determining if the form field was submitted with the current request23:29
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: hmm, does wgd --reset do anything?23:55
@perlmonkey2looking at the code, I don't see anything23:55
@Haargshouldn't23:55
@Haargwgd reset does23:55
@Haargbut very little without extra options23:55
@perlmonkey2perl wgd --config-file=.conf reset -d or something , Haarg ?23:58
@Haargwell23:58
@Haargif you have it executable and in your path you don't need the perl23:59
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: that thing is amazing.  There are a gazillion options.00:00
@Haargand if you have environment variables set you don't need the --config-file00:00
@Haargor if you only have one site00:00
@perlmonkey2how long have you been working on that?00:01
@Haargheh00:02
@Haargi don't know exactly, i started working on it before last year's wuc00:02
@Haargand it's just evolved since then00:02
@perlmonkey2well it is a really cool tool to have.  the old tools I used all the time, but this thing looks a lot more powerful.00:03
@Haargreset isn't substantially different, but it's set up to have plugins00:03
@Haargand has a basic api for doing simple things00:04
@Haargi have a separate script that combines a set of .pm files into that one script so it is easy to distribute00:04
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8352 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm: encode html entities when used in a setLink or setScript attribute value00:06
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8353 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm: use epoch date for syndicated content items00:06
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8354 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: apply r8351 to 7.600:06
@perlmonkey2nice00:06
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Lisettethe method $asset->getId, shows me an error, how to do to get the id of an asset that i create recently?00:21
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@Haargthat is how you do it00:23
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@Haargif it isn't working, there's probably something wrong with how you are creating the asset00:23
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@preactionwhat's the error you get?00:25
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LisetteCan't call method "getId" on an undefined value at videoImport.pl line 214.00:25
Lisettebut i see in the website and the asset are created correctly00:25
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+perlDreamerpatspam, you're making me dizzy.00:32
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@preactionshit...00:33
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@preactionoh, wait00:33
@preactionhumph... should i just let him message someone to get let back in?00:34
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Lisettei can call $asset->getId later of create it?00:36
patspamperlmonkey2: sorry00:37
patspamlaptop fighting with my desktop for irc supremacy00:37
@preactiondidn't know if you were there or not00:37
Lisettedon't works asset->getId00:41
@preactionLisette, what is the error message you get? "doesn't work" is useless information00:41
LisetteCan't call method "getId" on an undefined value at videoImport.pl line 217.00:43
@preactionLisette, that means $asset is undefined. 00:43
Lisetteok, thanks00:44
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8355 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm: better variable name in macro parser01:10
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8356 /branch/frank/ (28 files in 11 dirs): lots of changes01:10
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SDuensinEvening01:56
@preactionevening01:56
@preactioni found an Article on my site that takes 556 seconds to render!01:56
@preactioni think that makes me awesome01:56
nubascary01:58
SDuensinGood lord.01:58
SDuensinHope you're not using my HGR macro.  :-)01:58
@preactionnope01:58
@preactionaverage time for my articles is 5 seconds. i think something's wrong01:58
@preactionand i have a gut feeling it's in my Navigations01:59
+Radix-wrkAlmost 10 minutes to render one article?02:02
+Radix-wrkerr.. something is definitely wrong02:03
@preactionyeah02:03
SDuensinMaybe it's a really good article?02:03
@preactioni went to the URL in my browser and it took 30 seconds for a response02:03
nubawell, unless you have something like  ^sleep(556); on it02:03
nubamaybe it calls a macro that does number crunching02:03
+Radix-wrkthat page is a honeypot for IIS hackers perhaps?02:04
nubalike, ^proteinfolding(albumin);02:04
@preactionRadix-wrk, no, i wish it were that simple02:04
+Radix-wrkI mean, IIS users would expect that kind of delay02:04
+Radix-wrkthe page is seceding from the site and it's part of it's revolt02:05
nubayou mean, like a hunger strike?..02:06
nuba"i refuse to be rendered unless my demands are met"02:06
nubasounds nice02:06
+Radix-wrkyeah, it's a plausable explanation anyway!02:08
SDuensinWhat could it possibly want?  You're letting it run on WebGUI!02:09
nubamaybe thats what spoiled it02:10
nubagets everything all too easily02:10
nubayou know what? give that article a day in p*nukeland02:11
* SDuensin shudders02:11
nubathat lil'punk will learn it the hard way02:12
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+perlDreamerpreaction: Maybe it's time to write the article called, "WebGUI _is_ your problem".02:25
@preactionUNPOSSIBLE!02:26
SDuensinhehehe02:27
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+Radix-wrkHmm.. anyone know the template variable in the file object template to get the summary field?03:00
+Radix-wrkAhh.. don't worry.. figured it out03:03
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MikeXYZi dont have a ssh option with my hostingprovider....08:52
MikeXYZcan i still install webgui? 08:52
@preactionMikeXYZ, no08:58
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SDuensinMorning.16:04
+MrHairgreasegreasings!16:06
SDuensinHow's things?16:07
+MrHairgreaseI'm trying to compile wre 0.8.5 fow ubuntu 8.1016:08
+MrHairgreasewhich is kinda16:08
+MrHairgreasenot very fun16:08
+MrHairgreaseubuntu 8.10 comes with a new compiler with more stricter compile flag built in16:09
+MrHairgreaseanyway16:09
+MrHairgreasethe result is that I have to patch to much stuff16:09
+MrHairgreasethat isn't the bad thing though16:10
+MrHairgreasefinding how to patch em is16:10
SDuensinI was just a wimp and installed the existing WRE for Ubuntu.16:10
+MrHairgreasewoohoo16:11
+MrHairgreasemysql compiled without fixing stuff!16:11
SDuensin:-D16:12
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+MrHairgreasewhew, everything compiles now17:31
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CIA-6WebGUI: amhhenry * r8357 /branch/alphamega/t/VersionTag.t: Added tests for versionTagMode17:46
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* SDuensin cheers for MrHairgrease 17:50
+MrHairgreasethanks17:54
+MrHairgreaseI'm running ./build.sh --all right now17:54
+MrHairgreaseto be sure I forgot nothing17:54
+crythiasWebGUI is pretty neat. Although, I am having a bit of trouble with "Hide from navigation" override17:55
+MrHairgreasebut compiling the wre for ubuntu 8.10 surely is a pain in the ass17:55
+MrHairgreasewhat's the problem crythias17:55
SDuensinWhat's the major advantage over the existing 6.06 WRE?  Other than it's not built against old stuff.17:55
+crythiashide from navigation override for shortcut seems to not function with me.17:56
+crythias7.5.2117:56
+MrHairgreasewell, on my laptop i run 8.1017:56
+MrHairgreaseI guessing the ubuntu crew updated some libs over the last 2.5 years17:56
+MrHairgreaseso you prolly can't run the 6.06 wre on 8.1017:57
SDuensinI run 8.10, too.  Just didn't bother updating the WRE.17:57
SDuensinNo.  It runs.  :-)17:57
+MrHairgreaseheh17:57
+MrHairgreasecrythias have you checked the changelog?17:58
+MrHairgreasemaybe it's fixed in a later version17:58
+MrHairgreaseif not post a bug report17:58
+MrHairgreasebut first try to reproduce on beta.wegui,org17:58
bunniefoofooshould I have spectre and apache/modperl running when I do webguiupdate?18:01
@rizencrythias: the overrides work only for display in the asset18:07
@rizenit won't work for other assets using the asset18:08
@rizenfor example, in navigation18:08
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+crythiasOK, so when does that navigation override option actually work?18:08
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+snapcountdoes the helpdesk in the experimental branch require 7.6 or will it work with 7.518:11
@Haarg7.6 only18:23
* SDuensin keeps drooling on 7.6.18:25
@rizencrythias: i don't know what you're talking about18:27
@rizenwhat version are you looking at18:27
@rizencuz in any recent version there is no specific override for it18:27
@rizenthere's the overrides tab18:27
@rizenwhich will allow you to generically override anything18:27
@rizenbut again, that only helps you if you're overriding something for display18:28
@rizenSDuensin: why are you drueling over 7.618:38
SDuensinIt has nice shiny new toys!18:39
@rizenso does that mean that you always drule over every new version?18:40
SDuensinOf course!18:40
* MrHairgrease drools over wobbly windows18:41
@rizensnapcount: are you in need of a helpdesk app?18:41
* SDuensin had wobbly windows on one of those tiny Eee laptops. Sweet!18:41
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@rizeninteresting. you guys drool over software features18:43
@rizenwhile i drool over hot women. =)18:43
* perlDreamer wipes his chin18:43
+perlDreamerHow about women who write software?18:43
@rizenas long as they're hot18:43
SDuensinWell, I *got* women.  :-P18:43
@rizenme too18:44
@rizenthat doesn't mean i don't want more18:44
@rizen=)18:44
@rizenmy middle name is "greed"18:44
+MrHairgreaserizen: inot software features. I just happen to have a _very_ thin screen18:44
+perlDreamerI thought your middle name was "porn-flavored"18:44
@rizenhehe18:44
+MrHairgreaseah greed18:44
+MrHairgreaseI always wondered what that T stood for18:45
@rizeni season all my food with porn flavorin18:45
@rizeng18:45
+perlDreamerT isn't his middle name18:45
+perlDreamerHis name is JT P Smith18:45
* MrHairgrease doesn't care what rizen eats18:45
+MrHairgreaseas long as I don't have to watch18:45
ckotilwierd. asset manager works on https, but not on http18:47
@rizenckotil: that's a switch i installed just for your site18:47
ckotilIm not so sure. asset manager works fine on http on my dev site18:48
SDuensinDamn.  Figures I was in another window when the porn talk started.18:49
ckotilah, it has to be due to my apache settings. the fancy rewriting. http works on my other domains, just not my primary.18:50
+perlDreamerpreaction: this new bug sounds like your Nav slowness from yesterday: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/909618:51
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ckotilany YUI enabled templates built into the 7.5.32?18:59
+perlDreamersure19:00
ckotili just looked for nav templates w/ YUI but didnt see any19:00
+perlDreamerShop19:00
+perlDreamerEMS19:00
ckotilasset manager.19:00
+perlDreamerYes19:00
ckotilcool.19:00
ckotili think someone has a free YUI nav template in the baazar19:00
ckotilwebgui app store, heh.19:01
+snapcountrizen: yeah we're looking to put everything in WebGUI19:01
+snapcountincluding our helpdesk19:01
+snapcountwhich is currently a standalone program19:01
SDuensinMe too, snapcount.19:01
ckotilWe have all of our help desks documentation in webgui19:01
ckotilall of engineerings documentation as well19:02
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danny_mkGood day19:02
@rizensnapcount: the helpdesk is a great app, just know that if you use it, it's experimental. there's no support on it at all.19:02
+snapcountI see19:03
ckotilohh, a new asset?19:03
+snapcountis it a planned feature for 7.6?19:03
+snapcountor is it planned for a later release19:03
@rizenno, it's not planned to go into any release at this point19:03
@rizenit was built for our site specifically19:03
+snapcountok so that's the diff between beta and experimental?19:03
@rizenhowever, there is an RFE out there to get it into some other release19:03
@rizenthere's also an RFE to put the bazaar into the core19:04
+snapcountboth great tools19:04
+snapcountalso more to support and maintain =D19:04
+perlDreamerpreaction: I found it.19:04
@rizenthey're experimental because they don't live up to the standards necessary to make it into the core19:04
+perlDreamerAjaxI18N is not added to the user's webgui.conf file19:04
+perlDreamerso when it does a POST, it doesn't get back AJAX19:04
+perlDreamerit gets the home page19:04
+perlDreamerwhich parseJSON does not like in the least19:05
+perlDreamer(kind of like Roast Beast, which is a feast I can't stand in the least)19:05
+perlDreamerLet me see if adding it helps out a big19:05
+perlDreamerbit19:05
+snapcountunless of course your homepage consists entirely of properly formed JSON 19:05
+perlDreamerthen I'll post an upgrade script19:05
SDuensinTry Perfectly Normal Beast.  As a sandwich.19:05
+perlDreamerSliced thin, with a bit of au jus?19:05
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AMH_henryrizen: i'm merging changes back to head.. should updates for tables etc. go into upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl?19:07
@rizenyes please19:07
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danny_mkalright, looking at the Google: doGoogleSearch WS template I see that there are variables set for the results. If a webservice returns a structure such as [ { one => "one", two => "two" }] what should the tmpl_var values within the template be?19:13
danny_mkI thought they would be <tmpl_var one> <tmpl_var two>19:13
danny_mkand these should be within the    <tmpl_loop results> loop19:14
+perlDreamerdanny_mk: Have you read the friendly, online template docs?19:14
danny_mkI have19:14
danny_mkI am pretty familiar with HTML::Template19:14
danny_mkhowever the results of WSClient are unclear19:15
+perlDreamerhm19:16
+perlDreamerIt says that you get back a loop called results19:16
+perlDreamerresults are paginated19:16
danny_mkalright, let me play around with it a bit.  I will let you know how it works out.  Boss calling for a meeting ...brb19:17
+perlDreameryou've checked the error variables to make sure that there were no fetching or decoding problems?19:17
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+perlDreamernice test, AMH_henry!19:27
BartJolHi I've got a problem in 7.3.22 with an asset that won't be edited19:27
BartJolMrHairgrease also doesn't get it19:28
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BartJolit is not locked19:28
BartJolin the db the settings for editing are set to admin19:28
BartJolthe ownerId to19:28
BartJoltoo19:29
BartJoland I'm admin19:29
+perlDreamerwhat happens when you try to edit it?19:29
+perlDreamerand what kind of asset is it?19:29
BartJolit's a page layout and it says that I have not sufficient rights19:29
BartJolprivileges19:29
+perlDreamerwebgui.log messages?19:30
BartJolnope19:30
+perlDreamerYou're sure that it is not locked?19:32
BartJolprobably something happened with a group that was set to edting rights that hs been deleted19:32
BartJolquite sure19:32
BartJolwell, I just did a commit, maybe that got stuck19:33
+perlDreamerthat could be19:33
+perlDreameralthough it would give you a different message19:33
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BartJolcan I check in the db whether it is locked?19:33
+perlDreameryes19:33
BartJolstatus is approved19:34
+perlDreamerwhat is in the isLockedBy column?19:34
BartJolwhich table?19:35
BartJolI'm looking in assetData19:35
+perlDreamerasset table19:35
BartJolit says NULL19:36
+perlDreamerNULL is good19:36
BartJolstateChanged seems a bit old19:37
CIA-6WebGUI: amhhenry * r8358 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Merged versionTagMode support from amh development branch. Upgrade scripts not updated yet19:37
CIA-6WebGUI: amhhenry * r8359 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: Updated upgrade script for versionTagMode support19:37
+perlDreamerbrb19:37
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+perlDreamerobviously, it is something MrHairgrease did, BartJol, so follow up with him19:44
* MrHairgrease didn't do it19:44
BartJolwell, he didn't touch it before it was broken19:45
+perlDreamerThat's bad.  He broke it and doesn't even know about it.19:45
BartJolso I can support him for his cliam for not guilty19:45
BartJolnoe perlDreamer, that's me19:46
BartJolI do such stuff19:46
BartJolbut this time, even that wasn't the case19:46
* perlDreamer too19:46
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+MrHairgreasecrapass wireless....19:47
BartJolah, like in that hotel/conference centre19:47
BartJolin the groups table, some fields are not null, but empty19:49
+perlDreamerthat's usually okay19:50
BartJolso, explain the problem, without having a look at the db or error logs....19:52
+perlDreamerhuh?19:52
BartJolsorry, i'm getting a bit fed up with it all19:52
+perlDreamerYou have a page layout that won't let you edit it19:53
+perlDreamerYou are Admin, so this is offensive19:53
BartJolindeed19:53
BartJolaaffirmative19:53
+perlDreamercan you paste the db entries from the assetData and asset table for this asset?19:53
BartJolsure19:53
+perlDreamerpreaction: adding the AjaxI18N handler cleaned up errors in the console, but didn't help with the DataTable19:54
BartJolhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m751fb91719:55
+perlDreamerBartJol, please sort that by revisionDate19:56
BartJoloh, nou I've thrown away the asset table data19:57
BartJoland it's back19:58
+perlDreamerlike, it's back and working?19:59
BartJolno19:59
BartJolit is still broken20:06
BartJolbut I have to go and called the customer that I had only 5 minutes left, so he kept talking to me on the phone for 10...20:08
BartJolinstead of letting me work20:08
BartJolstarnge fellows20:08
BartJolbut sorry I really have to go20:10
+perlDreamerok20:10
BartJolso unless you really feel like it, stop looking at it20:10
BartJolmaybe I'll be back tonight20:10
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8360 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: do not make a user object unless it is needed20:13
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@perlmonkey2is there a perltidy ruleset we're supposed to use?20:24
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+crythiasrizen: I'm at 7.5.2120:28
+crythiasI have an asset shortcut on a different page layout20:28
+crythiasI click th asset-container (edit) and click |Overrides|20:29
+crythiasI click (edit) on Hide from navigation20:29
+crythiasthen "Hide from Navigation? (*) Yes ( ) No and [save]20:30
+crythiasnot the asset-container, but the shortcut container of the asset.20:31
+crythiasthe ... nm.. I had to hide the shortcut from navigation20:32
+crythiasIn any case, I can't see how that "override" does anything visible.20:34
@preactionit changes how the asset inside the shortcut works20:35
@preactionso if you override Title for example, that'll be visible20:35
+crythiasYes, yes, but the override for navigation does ntohing20:35
+crythiasnothing20:35
@preactionbut it was the Shortcut itself that showed up in the navigation20:36
+crythiasI'm not disagreeing with that, preaction.20:36
@preactionthat does seem weird20:36
@preactionthe overrides aren't necessarily guaranteed to work. you can override the URL and that'll probably break the thing20:37
+crythiashrm.20:37
+crythiashey.. I know I can do this myself... is there any other reason the (edit)(cut)(copy) aren't/can't be in the clickndrag bar of an asset?20:38
@preactioni can't think of one20:39
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danny_mkOK, back20:40
danny_mkperlmonkey2:  were you trying to answer my question about the webservice?20:40
+crythiasOK, I have a hidden asset (a .xml file)  that I'd like to edit without remembering the URL or going through Assets or unclicking [x] hiddenasset.xml 20:41
+crythiasI wonder ... is it possible to have hidden assets show up like redirects show up?20:42
+crythiasthat is, no "content" but the (edit)(cut)(copy) line?20:43
@preactioncrythias, not on the page, no, but that might be a nice feature20:45
@preactionsomething like the toolbar, the title, and then (hidden). perhaps with a button to hide/unhide?20:46
+crythiasI was looking at Default Page template20:46
+crythiaspreaction: yes. 20:46
+crythiasLike I said, I don't mind not seeing the content if it's "hidden"20:46
+crythiasespecially since my goal is to click edit on it anyway.20:46
@preactionpost the RFE please, i'll see how my tomorrow night looks (feature freeze is in a day or two)20:47
+crythiasit's already closed20:48
+crythias44220:48
+crythiashttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/hidden-assets-should-be-seen-in-admin-view20:49
@preactionclosed as what?20:49
+crythiasdenied by rizen20:49
@preactiondamn20:49
+crythiasHowever, if hidden assets are treated the same way as redirects, I would place that as less of an objection than full content.20:50
@preactionyeah, it's possible he was thinking "The entire asset's view() method should show up in admin mode", which would be as he said: confusing20:51
@preactionmight want to reply to the RFE and mention that20:51
@preactionsame way as redirects and templates sounds to me like a good idea. plus that button to hide/unhide. i hate having to edit the page layout in order to check the Hide Asset box20:52
@preactionit's confusing to me since i can't see what asset i'm hiding, i only see its title20:52
+crythiaswell, I'm not going for hide/unhide in my RFE. At least, not right now. 20:53
+crythiaspreaction: if I had a BIG RFE, I'd have thumbnails and drag-n-drop ordering in the Display screen.20:54
+crythiasand cut/copy/edit20:54
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8361 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: Fixed survey migration20:58
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+crythias"WebGUI? What's that?" "You're soaking in it."21:09
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, there's one in SVN21:38
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: docs/perltidyrc21:57
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bunniefoofooI just upgraded to 7.5.32 from 7.4.40 and the calendar list view is broken: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m14bb94fc22:42
@preactionbunniefoofoo, it can't find your template for some reason22:42
@preactionor rather, you don't have a tempate in that field22:43
@preactionif you open the edit screen of the Calendar and just click "Save" right away, that should fix the problem22:43
bunniefoofoook, i'll go deeper, thanks22:43
@preactionbut still post a bug, that field should be auto-filled22:43
+perlDreamerpreaction: re AssetManager i18n.  After instanciating the i18n object, do I need to do anything to it?22:47
@preactionnope, it should call load() all by its self22:47
@preactionis it?22:47
@preactionthat' WebGUI.i18n.load of course22:47
+perlDreameryeah22:50
+perlDreamerI've even single stepped into the YUI JS to trace the loading, but it's really hard to do that since it's all newline eliminated22:54
+perlDreamerAll I know at this point is that the i18n onpreload callback isn't being called22:54
+perlDreamercan I just init the thing directly instead?22:54
@preactionno, because you won't have the i18n labels. you have to wait22:55
@preactionlet me see the code again?22:55
+perlDreamerpastification on the way22:56
+perlDreamerhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m2952562a22:57
@preactionok, one sec22:59
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@preactionperlDreamer, are you also loading the i18n.js in the asset manager?23:08
@preactioni'm testing your code and i see the database, but it doesn't load correctly cuz there's an error23:09
+perlDreamerYup, loading yui-webgui/build/i18n/i18n.js23:12
+perlDreamerand json-min23:12
+perlDreamerI could commit the change to the Content handler since it's inocuous23:13
+perlDreamerwithout the corresponing JS changes23:13
@preactionso you see nothing then? no column headings? no "Loading..."?23:15
@preactiondoes the Console tab show a 23:15
@preactionPOST request?23:15
+perlDreamerOnly Loading....23:15
+perlDreamerPost request is okay, and has the right key23:15
@preactionokay, so the initDataTable is being called23:16
@preactionso you're seeing what I saw23:16
@preactionare you sure there's no errors showing up?23:16
@preactioni saw an error, your .get call only says "edit", when it needs "Asset","edit"23:16
@preactionso it tries to get the namespace "edit" and fails, and throws an error23:16
+perlDreamerthat's weird23:18
@preactionso yes, if you change line 66 to have this instead: WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n.get('Asset','edit') 23:26
@preactionit should work23:26
+perlDreamerw00t!23:29
SDuensinRandom annoying question:   Any sign of PayPal in 7.6.x yet?23:29
+perlDreamerNo23:29
SDuensinRandom annoying thanks!23:30
@preactionSDuensin, not so far. someone had promised to do so, but they've since disappeared23:30
+perlDreamerYou haven't written it yet ;)23:30
@preactioni haven't disappeared though23:30
SDuensinI'm working on a contract at the moment that wants it, so you never know.  :-)23:31
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@preactionso the safety routines of WebGUI::Session::Stow->get are apparently extremely slow23:47
+perlDreamersafety routines?23:49
SDuensinOk, back after the commute from hell.  Later all.23:49
@Haargit also doesn't match the pod23:49
+perlDreamerpreaction, oh yeah.  How about using Clone?23:49
@Haargalso seems odd that it doesn't work with cache23:50
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+perlDreamerStow is basically a cache, I guess.23:50
@Haargaren't there things that use stow for non-cache things?23:50
@preactionthere shouldn't be23:50
@preactionstow is a caching mechanism, nothing else23:50
@preactionit is not a way to hack global variables or share variables23:51
+perlDreamerStow has always had that line in there23:51
@Haargdataform used to do that23:51
* perlDreamer goes to shower, will be back in 2023:51
@preactionyeah, and i believe JT was pissed about it23:51
@Haarggone now, but i was thinking other areas might have done that as well23:52
@Haargpod says you get references you can modify though23:52
@preactionthey shouldn't, as pd said that line's been there in forever23:52
@preactionheh, nice23:53
@preactionwell shit23:53
@HaargClone or Storable::dclone would be a better approach though if we want safe references23:53
@preactioni'm thinking of adding an options hashref and one of the options being "nocopy" or "copy => 0"23:53
@preactionClone says it's faster, i'm going to find out how much faster23:53
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@Haargand really, if we want safe references it should do a clone on set as well23:54
@preactioni'm thinking that if the routine isn't going to change the reference, we don't need to make a copy23:54
@HaargClone says dclone is faster23:54
@preactionso we can save ourselves a bit there23:54
@preaction"For a slower, but more flexible solution see Storable's dclone()."23:55
@Haargbut if you store a ref then modify it afterward23:55
@Haargbleh23:55
* Haarg no read good23:55
@preactionyeah, i see your argument for set, and that i can see not needing an option23:55
@preactionbut would you agree that an option to not clone on get would be a good idea?23:56
@preactioni mean, the datastructure i'm talking about is the group stow, which can grow to a huge hash by the time a single request is completed23:56
@preactioni was also thinking of using Readonly::XS and just making everyone else do copying if they need it23:57
@preactionhm... maybe not as cool23:59
@HaargReadonly::XS (vs Readonly) wouldn't really get you much for speed in this case23:59
@Haargsince it is a data structure23:59
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@preactionit's a reference though... oh. you can't modify the reference, but you can modify the data structure being referenced00:00
@HaargReadonly::XS only works for scalars00:00
@Haargread only hashes and arrays are still handled via tie00:01
@preactionright, a reference is a scalar. so you can't change what structure the reference is pointing to, but you can still change the underlying structure00:01
@Haargi'm not really certain of the best solution00:02
@Haarghaving an option flag seems like it could be ok00:03
@preactioni'm thinking Clone00:03
@Haarghow fast is clone?00:03
@preactioni'm going to find out00:03
@perlmonkey2On the wiki, what is the expected behavior as apposed to this bug: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/tinymce-overview 00:04
@perlmonkey2Should this be a case where there are three divs, one for each button, and the non-selected two are hidden?00:05
@Haargyeah00:05
@perlmonkey2okay, should be a simple fix :)00:05
@Haargthe html in that page is malformed00:05
@perlmonkey2oh noes!00:05
@Haargin the wiki page that is00:05
@Haargwe don't have a simple solution for that00:05
@perlmonkey2hmm, I bet something I did broke it00:05
@perlmonkey2oh00:05
@perlmonkey2then I'll skip that one.00:05
@Haargheh00:06
@Haargor not00:06
@Haargsorry, i was assuming it was a problem i had seen before00:06
@Haarglet me look at it quick00:06
@perlmonkey2okay00:06
danny_mkHmmm.... I have a bit of a problem here deciding weather I should report an issue as a bug or an RFE00:07
@preactiondanny_mk, what's the issue?00:08
danny_mkWhile using the webservice objec I found out that if the webservice returns a structure like [ {one=>"first value", two=>"Second value},{three=>"Third...",fourth=>"fourth..."}]00:09
@preactionyou can report a bug but it won't get fixed00:09
@preactionthe WSClient is a pile of junk that simply does not work00:09
@preactionlast i heard it was getting removed00:10
@perlmonkey2maybe you should rewrite it?00:10
danny_mkit gets placed in the results:  http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6bd644d900:10
@perlmonkey2Use some R&D time and make it super-sexy00:10
danny_mkI had to, my boss was on my shit about getting this working00:10
@preactionyeah, there's going to be a replacement, but it won't be SOAP, it'll just be XML00:10
danny_mkDid you see the pastebin stuff?00:11
@preactionalso, there are far more pressing things I want to do for my own R&D00:11
@preactionlooks like a UTF-8 mishap00:11
@perlmonkey2the ability to use web services seems kind of important though00:11
@preactionwhat are "web services" though?00:11
@perlmonkey2yeah, I don't think that has anything to do with the asset.00:11
@perlmonkey2I thought there were specs?00:12
@perlmonkey2soap and xmlrpc or something?00:12
@preactionthere are, dozens of different protocols00:12
@preactionDAV is one, for example00:12
@preactionSOAP00:12
@preactionor just straight-up XML00:12
@preactionXMLRPC is like SOAP00:12
@perlmonkey2except makes a crapload more sense00:13
@preactionwith SOAP you need a WSDL file to actually figure out how to use the service00:13
@perlmonkey2soap is so tedious it has had me pondering self eyeball mutiliation before00:13
@preactionSOAP is a way to send messages really. a protocol, not an interface00:13
@preactionso if the SOAP server returns a scalar, what do you do? how about an array? an array of hashes? a hash of arrays? an array of arrays of hashes of arrays?00:14
@perlmonkey2but what do users want and need?00:14
@preactionsome of these things can't be represented by HTML::Template00:14
@perlmonkey2preaction: well I thought it was up to the user to make sure their template could consume the data?00:14
@preactioni argue that if users want/need, they'll put their money where their mouth is00:15
@preactionbut many SOAP interfaces aren't controlled by the user00:15
@Haargbut the data can't even be passed to html::template sometimes00:15
@perlmonkey2I like the way you thing00:15
@perlmonkey2think00:15
@preactionand the WSClient can't even handle certain data, like one simple scalar00:15
@Haargi'm going to spend some r&d time on wsclient00:15
@Haargremoving it from webgui, that is00:15
@perlmonkey2heh00:15
danny_mkmy template can consume the data00:16
@preactionit could use a rewrite and then could work, but i'm for removing it and letting it stew until it's ready to be added again00:16
@perlmonkey2danny_mk: it looks like you have an encoding issue.00:17
danny_mkhowever it can't figure out an anonymous array within an array for tmpl_loop, what would be the loop name if there is no name for the internal array?00:17
danny_mkthat is a minor problem right now00:17
danny_mkthe bigger issue is the array within the array00:17
@preactiondanny_mk, that's a limitation of the WSClient. you'll have to code for it00:17
@preactionthe only real solution to the problem is, i think, a way to parse the WSDL and then map the template vars using the data in the WSDL00:18
@perlmonkey2your example was two hashes in an array?00:18
danny_mkyes00:18
danny_mkpreaction: that is what I did 00:18
@preactiondanny_mk, no, because the WSClient does not do that00:19
@preactionim talking an interface where you picked a certain piece of the data structure and assigned it a variable00:19
danny_mkI did it in WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate00:19
danny_mkWhich is not the way to go because it has nothing to do with the results variable anyway00:21
danny_mkhowever, that is the way I had to deal with it for now.00:21
danny_mkMore than likely I will have to deal with it in:  $template->prepare($self->getMetaDataAsTemplateVariables);  which is in WSClient.pm00:25
+perlDreamerpreaction: Do you know if it's possible to i18n the paginator results?00:40
@preactioni believe you can change the labels in the yahoo paginator widget, yes00:40
+perlDreamerI'll check the docs00:40
+perlDreamerI should be able to handle that much00:41
+perlDreamerI hope... ;)00:41
@preactionhttp://developer.yahoo.com/yui/paginator/00:41
@preaction... i'm not optimistic... this new Paginator seems wonky00:42
+perlDreamerI'm willing to close the bug with just Edit and More i18n'ed00:43
+perlDreamerbut it's BartJol, so I'd like to dig just a bit deeper00:43
@preactionhttp://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/paginator/pag_configuration.html <- looks like there are lastPageLinkLabel, previousPageLinkLabel, nextPageLinkLabel etc... configuration options for the Paginator class00:46
@preactionso uh.. why would using Clone make my page unrenderable?00:47
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@preaction... so apparently we can't use Clone or Storable::dclone00:47
+perlDreamerI just used Clone a little while ago...00:48
+perlDreamerIn the update method of Asset.pm00:48
+perlDreamerworked fine00:48
+perlDreameruse Clone qw(clone);00:49
+perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=832400:49
@preactioni'm using it in Stow, dclone seems to choke on CODE refs, so i'm wondering if thats the case with clone00:50
@preactionwe should add Clone to testEnvironment in case one of the other reqs that use it stop using it00:51
+perlDreamerJust as long as people understand that we're not adding new prerequisites, and just taking advantage of an existing one.00:52
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@preactionis it correct to assume that any of the WebGUI::Session::* modules should not use Stow01:09
@preactionsince they exist for the entire duration of the request, you can just $self->{whatever} on them01:10
+perlDreamerNo, they should encapsulate01:11
+perlDreamerThe more of that direct object hash stuff we do, the worse we'll be off if we switch to C::IO, or even Perl601:12
@preactionokay, we're only talking milliseconds here anyway01:13
@preactionit's the 5.5 SECONDS for the other 400 calls to stow that are my problem01:13
+perlDreamerIs Clone really that slow?01:13
@preaction200 calls take 5ms, 400 other calls take 5.5s01:13
@preactionno, this is the old code01:13
@preactionClone doesn't work, period01:13
@preactiondclone yells about CODE refs01:13
@preactionso i assume that's the same problem Clone is having01:14
+perlDreamerwho is storing sub refs in Stow?01:14
@preactioni don't know01:14
@preactiondoesn't matter though, we allowed it so we have to keep allowing it01:15
@preactionthe problem is the huge isInGroup data structure01:15
@preaction... what if there were a way to get a part of a data structure instead of the whole thing?01:16
@preactiontoo complicated. imma add a flag to turn off the cloning01:16
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@Haargwhen was the cloning added?01:16
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@preactionHaarg, revision 715201:20
@preaction2008-08-0201:20
@preactionso, in this dev cycle it seems01:20
+perlDreamerthat might have been part of the fix for the group method that I talked about at the WUC01:21
@preactionit is a fix, i'm not denying that01:21
+perlDreamerjust that it's dog slow01:21
@preactionyeah01:21
@preactionand there's no way to fix it at the source01:22
+perlDreamer"source"?01:22
+perlDreamerI'll see if I can't find where the code refs are coming frow01:23
@preactionbut we can't stop them, it would break compatibility01:24
@preactionthe source being stow::get01:24
@Haargthere's $Storable::Deparse01:25
@Haargbut that would probably be worse than disallowing code refs01:26
+perlDreamerI'm not finding where wG stores code refs01:29
@preactionmaybe it stores objects?01:30
@Haargdo you have an example of it failing?01:30
+perlDreamerIt stows VersionTag objects01:30
+perlDreameralthough I don't see why01:30
+perlDreamerthat call never seems to be used anywhere01:30
@preaction2008/11/13 16:47:08 - ERROR - alumni.conf - WebGUI::Macro::process[142] - Can't store01:31
@preaction CODE items at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Stow.pm line 116.01:31
@Haargcan't you dump a Carp::longmess when that happens?01:31
@preactionperlDreamer, getWorking01:31
@preactionisnt there a way in Log4Perl to get a traceback on certain levels?01:32
@preactionthat sounds like a nice feature01:33
@Haargyes there is, but i never bothered to figure out how01:33
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+perlDreamerNo stows used in Macro.pm01:34
+perlDreamer1 in Macro/AdSpace01:34
+perlDreamerand it gets a boolean01:34
+perlDreamermaybe it's in custom code?01:35
@preactionuh.. it's in WebGUI::AssetVersioning getCurrentRevisionDate01:36
@preactionwtf01:36
@preactionline 226 though01:37
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* perlDreamer suspects evilness01:38
+perlDreamerthat should be a data structure01:38
@preactionuh... no, seriously how is that working01:38
@preactionit is always treated as a hashref, but i don't see it getting initialized to anything01:38
+perlDreamerit will autovivify01:39
@preactionbut it's undef01:39
@preactionyou can't do anything to undef01:39
@Haargyou can in that context01:40
@Haargperl -e'use strict; my $f; $f->{s} = "r"; print ($f->{s}, "\n");'01:41
@preactiongood lord...01:42
@Haargcan you Data::Dumper whatever it is trying to clone that is failing?01:42
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@preactionhang on, i seem to have had a mishap with my stupidity01:43
@Haargpossibly with $Data::Dumper::Deparse=101:43
+perlDreamerpreaction: happens to me all the time01:45
+perlDreamerfor example, Session/Stow.pm, line 214 is dead code01:46
+perlDreamerit will never get reached01:46
+perlDreameruh, apparently I'm dyslexic, too.  It's line 12401:46
@Haargwith this i'd almost prefer to change the places that use stow to not modify the ref unless they intend to01:48
@preactionokay, so the problem is the groupObj structure01:51
@preactionit stores a reference to every group created during the course of the session01:51
+perlDreamerwhy is that a code ref?01:52
@preactionit includes the session object01:52
@preactionit's a recursive data structure...01:53
+perlDreamerah01:53
@preactioni haven't found a subref yet though01:55
@Haargsession includes the apache request01:55
@Haargthere's likely one in there somewhere01:56
+perlDreameryup01:56
+perlDreamerand that's an easy, fix too.01:56
+perlDreamerNull the session object in the group where it is stored01:56
@preactionhow?01:56
+perlDreamerand add it back in when fetched01:56
@preactionok, i'll try it01:57
@Haargthat's an api break though01:57
+perlDreamerYes, and it will also break in VersionTag, since it stores a copy of itself there, too.01:57
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@preactionhow is it an API break?01:58
@Haargbecause you can't just stuff an object in there01:58
@preactionah01:58
@preactionright01:58
+perlDreamerwe've broken API for bug fixes before01:58
@preactionwe can't here01:59
+perlDreamerWhat about the other option?  Using Clone everywhere else?02:00
@preactioni like the flag to prevent cloning myself02:00
@Haargwhat is the issue the cloning was attempting to fix?02:00
+perlDreamerBeing able to manipulate the stow directly/accidently02:01
@Haargtechnically a flag like you mention is an api break as well02:01
@Haargsince the pod says you get a direct ref02:01
@preactionthe pod is wrong02:01
+perlDreamerThe POD is wrong, and has been for 100 revs02:01
@Haarg100 revs isn't very long02:01
@preaction600+02:01
@preactionit was rev 7415 that cloning was added02:01
@Haargthat was an api change though, it just wasn't noted as one02:01
@preactionmake that 1200 revs02:02
@preactionit was added 3 months ago02:02
+perlDreamerwe've been busy02:02
@Haargi get the preventing of accidents thing02:02
@preaction(7152-8361)02:02
@Haargbut was there an actual bug it was fixing?02:02
+perlDreamerYes.02:02
@preactionyes, i had added something that assumed i was getting a safe copy02:03
@preactionor something like that02:03
+perlDreamergetGroupsIn02:03
+perlDreamerand that's why we need to have a safe API.  Even experienced devs fall into that trap02:03
@preactionyeah, that was returning the refs and perpetuating the problem02:03
+perlDreamerit actually worked on both ends.  setting and getting02:04
@preactioni'd agree with you, Haarg, if the bugs that non-safe references cause weren't so god-damned hard to track down02:05
@preactionso i say give them safe refs unless they specifically ask for the actual ref02:06
@Haargwhat about objects?02:06
@preaction$obj->clone perhaps?02:06
@preactionor do what we're doing now, unsafely return them02:07
@Haargi think unsafe is about the only choice02:07
+perlDreamerand what about circular data structures?02:07
+perlDreamernevermind02:07
@Haargdoes Clone deal with them?02:08
+perlDreamerI'd guess so, it's probably just the apache request like you mentioned that's the problem02:08
+perlDreamerbut we wouldn't know without more checking02:08
@Haargyeah, and you can't just check if it's an object, else clone02:09
@Haargbecause what about data structures with objects in them02:09
@preactioni'll update the pod to be more accurate, add in the "WARNING: This will ATTEMPT to make a safe copy, but cannot safely copy Objects alone or inside of other structures"02:10
@preaction... what if we added Storable hooks to WebGUI::Session?02:13
@preactionhow would we get the Apache2::Request object back in...02:14
@Haargi don't hate the idea02:14
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@preactionbut?02:16
@Haargit's not simple to do02:16
+perlDreamerand Storable is SLOW02:17
@preactionit's faster than my $copy = [ @{ $orig } ]02:19
@preactionat least, it has to be...02:20
+perlDreamerwhat if we only cloned for simple array/hash refs?02:21
@Haarghow do you define simple?02:22
@preactionyou can't define simple. you'd have to look at it and then you'd be wasting time02:22
@Haargyou know what i do hate?  democleanup.pl  apparently it doesn't do a very good job of cleaning up02:24
@preactionwe had a problem last night, democleanup.pl took down the box02:24
@preactionwe had to kill it02:24
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metanilwhat is 'value' in CheckList ('option' is enough, isn't it?), its derived from Form::Control??03:27
@preactionthe value is the currently selected checkboxes03:27
metanilooo.. the keys of the options??03:28
@preactionyes03:28
metanilsweet03:28
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patspamis the Nav system flexible enough to allow me to create Prev/Next buttons for navigating between nested pages (depth first search)?06:15
patspamor do i need to roll my own using AssetLineage?06:15
@preactiona macro might be better06:16
@preactionthere has to be a getNextSibling and getPreviousSibling method06:16
@preactionif not, it seems trivial to make06:16
patspamok.. i need DFS though, was hoping i wouldn't have to manually walk the tree too much06:17
patspambut i guess with getLineageIterator the performance hit might not be too bad06:18
@preactioni think the default order by of getLineage is depth-first06:19
@preactionif you order by lineage, it's depth-first06:20
@preactionso you could getLineage(...{ limit => 1})06:20
@preactionalso, i've been doing benchmarking on getLineage, and it's surprisingly fast06:20
patspamexcellent06:22
patspambut I still have to walk the tree.. for example if my start node is some leaf node, the "next" node might be the parent's sibling, or the parent's parent's sibling, etc..06:23
@preactionah06:23
@preactionthen yes06:23
patspamunless i generate the full tree from the root and then find my start node in the tree..06:23
patspambut that sounds worse06:23
@preactionwouldn't be too bad if you just did it like: SELECT lineage FROM asset06:24
@preactionor you could hack it together using lineage as a string06:25
@preactionthere is WebGUI::Asset->newByLineage, if you can just find the right lineage06:26
patspamok... sounds like i should go read up on how the lineage string is contructed06:26
@preactionyou have the developer's guide?06:27
patspamthe source code?06:28
@preactionthat will work, but the dev guide has an excellent chapter on lineage06:32
patspamah damn06:33
@preactioni can save you some trouble, run the query SELECT lineage FROM asset <- it should be readily apparent06:33
patspamahhhhhhh06:36
patspamnice06:36
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SquOnkHi everyone14:40
SquOnkWould it be terrible to replace default.ttf (which is currently non-free at all) with another default.ttf which is free?15:40
SquOnkIs there any reason why extras/contextMenu is still there, yet empty?15:48
SquOnk(I mean, in WebGUI_7.5)15:48
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SDuensinGreetings.16:30
SquOnkSDuensin: Hi there16:30
* SDuensin is alarmingly low on coffee16:31
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rjacobsengood morning all16:37
SquOnkrjacobsen: Good morning16:38
rjacobseni was wondering if there is a help macro - I have looked under the list of available macros and i dont see it16:38
@perlmonkey2hola SDuensin16:38
@perlmonkey2rjacobsen: what would this help macro do?16:40
rjacobsenwell... just give a user with limited priviledges the ability to click a "help" button and it would open the help topic I plug into the macro16:41
@bopbopcouldn't you just do that with a snippet and an asset proxy?16:42
rjacobsenprobably have to make my own macro...16:42
rjacobsenya16:42
rjacobsenjust answered my own question lol16:42
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8370 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Used WG perltidyrc to clean up files16:52
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SquOnkLDAP over SSL stopped working in 7.5.3216:58
SquOnkNet::LDAP->new($uri->host, (port=>$uri->port)))16:59
SquOnkIf one uses port => ... then handling SSL has to be done manually too16:59
SquOnkBut if one uses just an URI (the proper one) everything works out of the box16:59
SquOnkldaps://whatever:636 and ldaps://whatever do work17:00
* SquOnk fixes that17:00
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rjacobsencan anyone tell me where i can find the "controls" asset that is used in "<tmpl_var controls>" please?17:43
@rizenit is generated from the getToolbar() method in Asset.pm17:44
rjacobsenso there is no asset per say that i can put ^GroupText(Admins, ); around to only show the controls if admins is logged in globally?17:46
rjacobsen...without having to change <tml_var controls> to ^GroupText(Admins, <tmpl_var controls>): on every single template...17:47
@rizenif you're even trying to do that then you're probably setting up your site inappropriately17:48
@rizenwhat is the actual problem you're trying to solve?17:48
rjacobseni want to be able to let people add a forum to a message board.... but in order to do such, they have to turn admin on, which opens a whole new can of worms where they can edit, copy, and even delete stuff..... where as if i can just hide the controls, they can turn admin on all day long and not see the controls17:50
rjacobsenbut still be able to add a forum17:50
@rizenwhy do you need to let them turn admin mode on?17:50
@rizenthey can add a forum without going into admin mode17:51
@rizenprovided you give the appropriate privs17:51
rjacobsenhow else will they have the ability to add a forum?17:51
rjacobsenbecause i have tried everything (that I know)17:51
@rizenI assume that you have a Message Board asset that they will be adding a forum to?17:51
rjacobsenyes17:51
@rizenok, so make that asset editable by a particular group (i'll call that Group X)17:52
rjacobsenright17:52
@rizenthen edit the template of that message board17:52
rjacobseni do that17:52
rjacobsenbut add a forum only shows up if they turn admin on17:52
@rizenadding ^GroupText(); macro around the add forum17:52
@rizenlink17:52
@rizenand get rid of the <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn> wrapper around that link17:53
@rizenthen the link will only show up to the people that have privileges to add a forum17:53
@rizenand not when they're in admin mode17:53
rjacobsenkk ill try that 17:53
rjacobsenahhhhhh...... i totally missed the session.var.adminon.......... 17:56
rjacobsenty rizen17:56
@rizenyou're welcome. pay me back by helping out someone else on the forums or IRC sometime17:57
rjacobseni try lol17:57
rjacobsenalso can you put more than 1 group in grouptext macro?17:57
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@rizenno18:24
@rizenbut you can create a new group18:25
@rizenthat includes multiple groups18:25
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Lisettei do a new payDriver and when i execute shows me the next error.....  ERROR - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::URL::Content::__ANON__[62] - Can't call method "canUse" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm line 116. ..... what is my error?18:56
Lisettewhich is the undefined value, which is the value that need the pay.pm?? 18:59
@perlmonkey2So what does everyone think.  Move the admin tab to the left like the bug says?  http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/892319:00
@rizenLisette: it's exactly the same thing that you hit us up for yeterday or two days ago19:01
@rizenyou're using an undefined reference19:01
SDuensinperlmonkey2 - Can't get the PNG to show up.19:01
@rizenwhy don't you try to actually read the error and figure it out for yourself before posting here19:01
@rizenthat's one of the simplest errors19:01
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: why, is your screen resolution too low :P19:01
SDuensin:-P19:01
@perlmonkey2but really, I don't have any problem with it showing.19:02
SDuensinNo, but the funny part is - I get taken to the asset screen and the list covers the controls.  :-)19:02
@perlmonkey2but it just shows the asset manager header bar overlapping the admin div.19:02
@perlmonkey2hahahhahaa19:02
SDuensinInstant screen shot!  :-D19:02
@perlmonkey2that is funny19:02
@rizenperlmonkey2 it's not a bug19:03
SDuensinI can see how that'd be annoying.  Don't think it's a bug though.19:03
@rizeni've tolder her it's not a bug19:03
@perlmonkey2you da boss19:03
@rizenand i'm telling her again now19:03
@perlmonkey2okay, I shall close the bug and relay the message19:03
SDuensinThe real bug is people using small ass screens!19:03
@perlmonkey2no doubt19:03
@perlmonkey2WG wasn't meant for your PSP19:03
@rizeni already did pm219:04
SDuensinDamn!  Guess I'll go back to Windows Mobile.   :-P19:04
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SDuensinrizen - The stuff you mailed me.  Want all the pages back or just the signed ones?19:07
@rizenall19:08
SDuensinko19:08
SDuensinScanning!19:08
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Lisette????19:57
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8371 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/wobject/Thingy/thingy.js): fixed #9076: Thingy broken in latest beta, Save and Close buttons missing from Add/Edit Field dialogs20:05
Lisetteanyone knows the PayDrivers?20:12
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rjacobsenafternoon all..... wondering if anyone happens to know what the tmpl_var variable is for the fullsize image asset in the photo gallery.... i know the thumbnail is <tmpl_var thumbnail> and the url to the page it is on is <tmpl_var url>21:16
@preactionfileUrl21:16
rjacobsenso <tmpl_var fileUrl>?21:16
@preactionwell, probably. check the help21:16
rjacobseni have looked in the help with no success21:17
@preaction?op=viewHelp;hid=help view;namespace=Asset_Photo <- it's in the "Photo -- Normal View" section21:20
rjacobsenok thanx ill try that21:21
Lisettesomeone can help me?21:22
rjacobsenill try21:22
rjacobsenpreaction - <tmpl_var fileUrl> brings up nothing21:24
rjacobsenlet me explain what i am trying to do preaction.... the normal way a photo is displayed in the gallery is a user clicks it to see that thumbnail by itself, and then clicks it again to see it full size in a blank window leaving the webgui site.... 21:27
rjacobseni want to make it to where when they click the thumbnail it uses javascript to open a popup window with the fullsize image in the window21:28
rjacobsenso21:28
rjacobseni need the url of the fullsize image to pass it to javascript.... and fileUrl doesnt seem to be doing it21:29
@preactionrjacobsen, are you using the Gallery asset?21:30
@preactionwhat page are you looking at?21:30
rjacobsenyes21:30
rjacobsenthe photo gallery template21:30
rjacobsenphoto_gallery21:31
rjacobsencan i paste code in this window?21:31
rjacobsenif so i will show you what i have21:31
@Haarghttp://webgui.pastebin.com/21:32
@preactionyou mean the Collaboration System photo_gallery?21:32
rjacobsenyes preaction21:32
rjacobsen<tmpl_loop post_loop>21:32
rjacobsen<div class="picture">21:32
rjacobsen<div style="text-align: center;">21:32
rjacobsen<tmpl_if user.isPoster><div>(<tmpl_var status>)</div></tmpl_if>21:32
rjacobsen<div><a href="<tmpl_var url>" target="_blank"><img src="<tmpl_var thumbnail>" alt="<tmpl_var title>" /></a></div>21:32
rjacobsen<div><a href="<tmpl_var url>" target="_blank"><tmpl_var title> url:<tmpl_var url> thumbnail:<tmpl_var fileUrl></a></div>21:32
rjacobsen</div>21:32
rjacobsen</div>21:32
rjacobsen</tmpl_loop>21:32
rjacobsenthat is what it looks like21:32
rizen_rjacobsen21:33
@preactionrjacobsen, DO NOT PASTE TO THE CHANNEL21:33
rizen_that's not the gallery asset21:33
rjacobsensorry21:33
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@rizenthat is a gallery template for the collaboration system21:33
rjacobsenok21:33
@rizenThere actually is a gallery asset21:33
@preactionbut yes, that's not the Gallery asset, and i doubt you'll be able to do what you want with it21:33
@preactionthere's also a migration script21:33
@preactionrjacobsen, did you try using "url" for your purposes?21:35
@preactionthe URL to download an image is the URL of the image21:35
rjacobsenright... the problem is we have like 50+ websites, so I am trying to edit the main template so it affects all the sites without having to do each individual site21:36
@preactioni don't understand. you can use the <tmpl_var url> to get the url to the image21:37
rjacobsenit doesnt21:37
@preactionwhat URL does it get then?21:37
rjacobsenit gives the url to the page it is on PLUS the url to the image - which means it opens the whole webgui page the image sits on and the image itself in it21:38
@preactionso your image is using a template then?21:38
rjacobsenso <tmpl_var url> would give something like /photogallery2/test2#jhaevoeaherjijaj21:38
rjacobsenphotogallery2 being the page21:39
rjacobsentest2 being the image name21:39
rjacobsenand the rest being the actual asset url21:39
@preactionare you inside the attachmentLoop?21:39
@preactionoh... that's not an absolute url21:40
rjacobsenand i cant seem to single out the asset21:40
rjacobsenya21:40
@preactionyou need /<tmpl_var url> <- like that21:40
@preactionor better: ^FileUrl(<tmpl_var url>);21:40
rjacobseninvalid asset url21:41
@preactionthen try the first one21:41
rjacobsenall that does is put an extra / in front of the url i typed above21:42
rjacobsenunless it needs the  <- at the end of it too21:43
@preactionso which template are you in again? the namespace, not the name21:43
rjacobsencollaberation template > photo_gallery21:43
@preactionthat's the name, not the namespace. look on the Metadata tab of the template21:44
rjacobsenCollaboration is the Namespace21:44
@preactiondid you try the <tmpl_var image.url>?21:47
rjacobsensee the variables i see that work for sure are <tmpl_var title> (image title) <tmpl_var thumbnail> (url to the thumbnail) <tmpl_var url> (url to the page the image sits on and places the thumbnail there)21:47
@preactionthe Collaboration template shows all the threads, and it doesn't get into the attachment loop. it gets the first attachment, but that's all21:47
@preaction<tmpl_var url> is the URL to the Post21:47
rjacobsenthat was it preaction21:48
rjacobsen<tmpl_var image.url> works21:48
@preactionthat's in the Post List Template Variables, which is linked from the Collaboration Template Variables. look in the right side area for linked entries21:49
rjacobsenits wierd cuz i dont see image.url in there anywhere21:51
rjacobsenoops21:51
rjacobsenit is in the main part21:51
rjacobseni see it now21:51
rjacobseni do thankyou for your help preaction and i apologize again for pasting into the window21:53
Lisettehow to do a post from a .pm? more specific from a paydriver rediret an another page and later this new page returns me some parameter to the paydriver?22:09
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8372 /branch/frank/t/Account.t: added test22:36
@preactionanyone available to discuss a bug i can't seem to find a way to fix?23:15
@preactionthe WebGUI::ProfileField does the wrong thing when trying to grab its value from the current request, but doing the right thing breaks it even more23:15
@preactionLine 249 of WebGUI::ProfileField, if (defined $self->session->form->process($properties->{name}, $self->get(23:17
@preactioncurrently that's my fix that broke it worse23:17
@preactioni'm adding tests to prevent that regression again, but the only thing i can think of to truly fix is to change 249 to if ( $form->get( ... ) ne $self->get('dataDefault') )23:18
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CIA-6WebGUI: amhhenry * r8373 /branch/alphamega/ (152 files in 58 dirs): Synced branch with HEAD00:07
@preactionhow come that syncing stuff is so easy for everybody except me?00:09
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CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8374 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 00:48
CIA-6WebGUI: fixed: Regression in WebGUI::ProfileFiled00:48
CIA-6WebGUI: added tests to prevent any possible future regression00:48
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8375 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merging 837400:48
@perlmonkey2can anyone else replicate this?  http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/879201:14
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CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8376 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fixed performance issue with Stow by adding a way to bypass safety for speed01:23
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8377 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge 837601:23
@perlmonkey2That bug is defeating firebug's attempts to see if a http call is even being made01:24
@preactionheh, nice01:27
@preactionis it showing up for you though?01:27
@perlmonkey2no, it isn't.  But to me it is looking like the ajax call is never being made01:31
@perlmonkey2preaction: I just wanted to verify.01:31
@perlmonkey2and in firebug, I'm only seeing a short js script being used.01:31
@perlmonkey2oh well, I'll be back later01:35
@perlmonkey2oh, duh, that isn't and ajax call, but just a play call to Op for a HTMLFrom www_imageTree01:37
+perlDreamerYay!  No more 500 MHz dev system01:40
+perlDreamerpreaction: paginator i18n works01:42
@preactionwoot!01:42
+perlDreamerbug--01:46
+perlDreamerbug--01:59
@preactionyay!01:59
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8378 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: fix i18n problem with version tag mode entries. Missing context and lastUpdated.02:01
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8379 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): final asssetManager i18n re: 421402:01
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8380 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixing date duration i18n02:01
@preactionperlbot 3.4 / 0.302:02
@preactionperlbot math 3.4 / 0.302:02
perlbot11.333333333333302:02
@preaction1133% performance increase on my website from the changes to stow02:03
+perlDreamersincere aplogies02:05
@preactionnot your fault02:05
@preactionyou did the right thing02:05
+perlDreamerI talked with JT about it02:05
@preactioni kept what you did, and added a way to bypass it that's all02:05
+perlDreamerHe'd like us to remove all the checking and make sure that people clone stuff at need02:06
@preactionoh, do i get to share in doing the wrong thing now? ;)02:06
@preactionhow can we enforce that?02:06
+perlDreamerNo, that's squarely on my shoulders02:06
+perlDreamerWe can't02:06
+perlDreamerIt's a loaded pistol02:06
+perlDreamerDon't aim at your foot02:06
+perlDreamerWhen using the Wand of Fireballs, you must disable the sprinkler system02:07
+perlDreameretc. etc.02:07
@preactioni like this way, hand them a loaded pistol with the safety on, let them click it off if they want02:07
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@rizendoug doug he's our man if he can't do it, someone else will03:06
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8382 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): 03:47
CIA-6WebGUI: - Added Cashier/Point of Sale mode for the Shop.03:47
CIA-6WebGUI: - Added the notion of a default address to the Shop's address book.03:47
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CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8383 /branch/frank/ (47 files in 15 dirs): Account release candidate - final changes before merge04:51
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+perlDreamerDoes anyone know anything about the code from AMH?05:20
+perlDreamerbad move rizen.05:30
+perlDreamerNow we can say WebGUI is a POS05:30
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8384 /branch/frank/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.1-7.6.2.pl: deleted my version of the upgrade script - need to add to 7.6.405:31
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8385 /branch/frank/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.1-7.6.2.pl: current version in head05:31
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8386 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: 06:03
CIA-6WebGUI: Change how the versionTagMode work is updated.06:03
CIA-6WebGUI: Use the API so that all profile field work is done correctly.06:03
CIA-6WebGUI: Previously, adding users and any profile data was broken.06:03
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8387 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): do not show an edit link in the Asset Manager unless the asset is editable06:03
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8388 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport and merge asset manager edit fixes06:03
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8389 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Three UserList bug fixes from Bernd.06:03
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8390 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting UserList bug fixes06:34
khenn_the reformatting of the code in the past 2 weeks is just insane07:21
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@perlmonkey2khenn: what's different about the code formatting?08:44
@khennI'm not convinced it's that anymore08:44
@khennI think svn merge just blows08:44
@khennI can't get it to merge without skipping 800,000 files08:44
@perlmonkey2nice08:46
@khennyeah08:46
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CIA-6WebGUI: amhhenry * r8391 /branch/alphamega/ (23 files in 14 dirs): Synced branch with HEAD r839013:36
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8392 /WebGUI/ (59 files in 19 dirs): Pluggable Account system added to WebGUI with new Profile, Inbox, Friends, User, and Shop interfaces.14:14
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Account.pm Shop/Transaction.pm Account/Shop.pm): Forgot one cleanup item. Transactions now properly redirect to the account module when directly called14:14
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8394 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.4/ (3 files): forgot to add these with the shop upgrades last night17:06
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CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8395 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm: Fixed a problem where getShippingAddress was not throwing an error but still returning undef in some situations causing the cart to fail.20:38
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8396 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (Cart.pm AddressBook.pm): the real fix to the problem frank just checked in21:18
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8398 / (experimental/Lift Lift): moving the experimental upgrade system into it's proper location01:02
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8399 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (Automat-install.pl Automat-importSiteListFromCsv.pl): an importer02:15
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8400 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix dataform inTab template variable05:42
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8401 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting DataForm inTab template variable fix05:42
+perlDreamerGo colin!05:43
+perlDreamerHe's fixed like 3 bugs so far, and committed patches for two more.05:43
@rizenwait a minute05:46
@rizenare you cheering yourself?05:46
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+perlDreamerpatspam: ping07:02
patspamhey!07:07
patspamperlDreamer: pong07:08
+perlDreamerI can't duplicate your edit workflow bug.07:31
+perlDreamerNot on my dev box07:31
+perlDreamerbut I can on the demo server07:31
+perlDreamerI think it depends on which workflows you have enabled in your config07:31
+perlDreamerby chance, do you have one for ProcessRecurringPayments?07:32
patspamah yes I think I saw an error coming out of ProcessRecurringPayments a week later and disabled it07:39
patspamnot sure if the edit workflow bug is still biting me, I'll check07:39
+perlDreamerI'll add some code to trap that, like you did, in any case07:40
patspamyep, just reproduced it: Can't locate object method "getName" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::ProcessRecurringPayments" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Workflow.pm line 221. 07:45
patspambut you only see the error if you wrap www_editWorkflow in WebGUI::Operation::Workflow in an eval07:46
+perlDreamerI can get it with debug mode turned on.07:46
patspamah yes, that would do it too :)07:47
+perlDreamerAt first, I hoped that the bug had been fixed accidently and i was going to close the bug.07:47
patspamlately I've started wrapping my Content Handlers in an eval so that errors get logged07:47
+perlDreamerthat's a good idea07:47
+perlDreamereventually, they'll probably throw exceptions07:48
patspamyeah that would be nice07:48
+perlDreamerin any case, you'll want to disable to workflow activity and remove it from your workflows.  It's not working.07:54
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+perlDreamerand a bigger question is, how in the world did that survive the Shop upgrade in 7.5.11?07:59
+perlDreamerpatspam, would you send me a copy of that workflow activity?  I'd like to use it for testing purposes.08:00
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8402 /experimental/Automat/ (9 files in 3 dirs): move domain to be a child of customer instead of site10:16
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8403 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/DomainRecord.pm): bug fixes10:49
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8404 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Site.pm DomainName.pm): more bug fixes11:09
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8405 /experimental/Automat/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 18:51
CIA-6WebGUI: bug fixes18:51
CIA-6WebGUI: automatically delete domain name if no records remain18:51
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8406 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: Fixed a bug where formField was setting the formProcess value in certain cases even if the form hadn't been posted. This was causing the stored value of fields to be set to the default value when it shouldn't have been.20:35
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8407 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileCategory.pm: Added properties argument to getCategories and getFields methods which allow you to specify the states of visible, editable, and in the case of getFields required.21:16
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8408 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Adding more features to Matrix v223:39
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CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8409 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Collaboration.pm Asset_DataTable.pm): Update from translation server00:16
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8410 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_ProjectManager.pm Asset_Sku.pm): Update from translation server00:16
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CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8411 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Fixed a number of issues with the profile and refactored some of the code to make it more efficient.02:06
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+perlDreamerpreaction, perlmonkey2: need some hacking advice04:55
@perlmonkey2ut oh04:55
+perlDreameryeah, I did it again04:55
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: use something sharp?04:55
+perlDreamerJust my head04:56
@perlmonkey2what's the dillio?04:56
+perlDreamerPlease check out bug 884504:56
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/884504:56
+perlDreamercan we teach perlbot to format bug URLs for us?04:57
+perlDreamerThe problem is two-fold04:57
+perlDreamer1) We left a bad workflow activity in the user's config file from the 7.5.10-7.5.11 upgrade04:57
+perlDreamer2) In the Edit Workflow activity screen, it tries to load that activity04:57
+perlDreamerof course, it can't so it pukes04:58
+perlDreamerbut that's the problem, it shouldn't puke04:58
@perlmonkey2catch a require?04:58
+perlDreameryes/no04:58
+perlDreamerSee Workflow/Activity.pm, lines 335-34804:58
+perlDreamersub newByPropertyHashRef04:58
@perlmonkey2oh04:59
+perlDreamerin particular, lines 341,34204:59
@perlmonkey2already does that :)04:59
@perlmonkey2ah04:59
+perlDreamerIt tries to load $class, not $className04:59
+perlDreamer$class is ... Workflow::Activity04:59
+perlDreamerwhich will always work05:00
+perlDreamer(well, pretty much always)05:00
+perlDreamerso it tries to load Workflow::Activity, but blesses into $className05:00
@perlmonkey2(as an aside, Pluggable does not look like a good thing to me)05:00
+perlDreamerand whammo, loading errors are skipped05:00
@perlmonkey2so, will it exploped if you change the load to className/05:01
@perlmonkey2since we want to load the activity module?05:01
+perlDreamerNo.  It will return undef.05:02
+perlDreamerI keep going back to rizen's email about symptoms and causes.05:02
@perlmonkey2so it should return an error object?  do we have those?05:02
+perlDreamerit probably should throw an exception05:02
+perlDreamerexcept it doesn't now05:02
+perlDreamerit returns undef05:02
@perlmonkey2If an activity is asked for that doesn't exists, there are only a few options.05:03
@perlmonkey2that doesn't seem very WG-ish :P05:03
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8412 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 05:03
CIA-6WebGUI: Trap trying to instance bad workflow activities.05:03
CIA-6WebGUI: Remove the ProcessRecurringPayments activity from the user's config.05:03
@perlmonkey2it should throw $@05:03
@perlmonkey2probably with a code or something to say it doesn't exists05:03
@perlmonkey2exist05:03
@perlmonkey2but then every thing that calls newByPropertyHash needs to be updated to look for exceptions.05:04
+perlDreamerreturning undef is historically wG.  Exceptions are the new WGBP way of doing things05:04
+perlDreamerand that's the rub, we can't modify the API05:04
@perlmonkey2I like throwing exceptions and handling them.  Then I never find my bugs, but the app kind of crawls along, being so fault tolerant :P05:04
+perlDreamerkind of like greasing your windmills with bird guts? ;)05:05
+perlDreamersorry, that's not the best analogy05:05
@perlmonkey2ah, I hope you just made that up, because if that ever really happend I'll lose all faith in windmills.05:05
@perlmonkey2so it is an 8.0 update05:06
+perlDreamerI think so05:06
+perlDreamerHave you started building windmills yet?05:06
@perlmonkey2so what we'll see if we look for implementations is a bunch of "my $activity = Workflow::Activity->newByPropertyHashRef($class,$session,$props)" and there just isn't anyway to make $activity do double duty.  05:07
@perlmonkey2or is it an actual $asset that's being called, and Pluggable::load($class) looks at the object type?05:08
+perlDreamerit's told to look at $class (Workflow::Activity) instead of (Workflow::Activity::activityName)05:10
@perlmonkey2no, I haven't started on windmills yet.  I keep going to auctions for welders, but haven't found a steal just yet.05:10
* apeiron can't resist making a steel pun05:11
@perlmonkey2although I found plans for a 100W for $150.  Made out of 6 inch PVC and a cheopo alternator from ebay.05:11
+perlDreamercool05:12
@perlmonkey2could probably discombubalate the alteranator and cast it in resin so that it would last forever, but I'm really looking forward to having a welder.05:13
@perlmonkey2no more mickey mouse LCD's mounts in my truck.  05:13
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: You're hardcore.05:14
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: why do you say that?05:14
+perlDreamerthe whole metal working thing05:14
+perlDreamerI just hack stuff05:14
+perlDreamerdrywall, romex, cat-5, perl05:15
+perlDreameryou actually build stuff from scratch05:15
+perlDreamervery cool05:15
@perlmonkey2I haven't actually done the metal working yet.  So far I just go to auctions, look at welders, and wonder if I can get this $2K welder and generator for a few hundred bucks :P  05:15
@perlmonkey2drywall, romex?05:16
+perlDreamerwell, in any case, it sounds good05:16
@perlmonkey2I don't build cat-5 from scratch ?  :P05:16
+perlDreameryeah. Remodeling. drywall = gypsum board05:16
@perlmonkey2oh05:16
+perlDreamerromex is the plastic sheathed stuff for electrical wire05:16
@perlmonkey2conduit?05:16
+perlDreamerNo, just the regular old stuff.  White sheating around color coded wires05:17
+perlDreamerconduit is hard to work with05:17
@perlmonkey2I'm guessing there are a lot of welders out there who would prefert to be able to hack perl :P05:17
+perlDreamerprobably :)05:18
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you're like so hardcore, Chuck Norris once asked you to write a test for him.05:18
+perlDreamerIndeed he did.  And the test did what Chuck said, or else!05:18
@perlmonkey2yeah, I was just being silly.  Everyone knows Chuck Norris codes with a magnet, cosmic rays, and flash rom.05:19
* perlDreamer goes to check on the kids, bbiaw05:26
+perlDreamerI have big news, perlmonkey2.  News release tomorrow05:26
@perlmonkey2eh?05:27
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you cna't do that.05:27
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8413 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Workflow/Activity.pm Operation/Workflow.pm): refix the Workflow bug the correct way05:36
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8414 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backport Workflow::Activity class loading and error handling fix05:36
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: so?  06:05
@perlmonkey2you going to enlighten?06:06
@perlmonkey2In Europe its already Monday.  Just tell them, on this channel.06:06
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CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8415 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: fixed a corner case where template variables could overlap.06:13
+perlDreamersorry, no leakies06:21
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: wow, that is just cruel :)06:27
@perlmonkey2okay, I'm outy 500006:27
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+Radix-wrkit's been monday for ages already06:42
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8416 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix the template of a newsletter template06:46
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8417 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (2 files in 2 dirs): move package into the right directory06:46
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8418 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4: also remove bogus directory06:46
+perlDreamerIn firebug, can I get to a command line and talk to the interpreter directly?07:00
+perlDreamerlike perl's debugger mode?07:00
@khennnot sure what you mean07:00
@khennyou can change stuff07:00
+perlDreamerI want to ask it what it thinks a variable is07:01
@khennjavascript you mean?07:01
+perlDreameryes07:01
@khennI don't know07:01
@khennI've never used the javascript stuff07:01
+perlDreamerI've used it a bit over the last few days.  It's very handy.07:01
+perlDreamerwith help from preaction++, I set breakpoints and debugged some bad JS I wrote07:01
+perlDreamerIt's Ctrl-Shift-L to  bring up the command line07:03
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@khennnice07:16
@khennI'll have to try it07:16
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8419 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix the template of a newsletter template07:17
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8420 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm: updated view method to use new way of calling ProfileCategory methods07:17
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8421 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm: Fixed a bug which would cause the query to return inbox messages to fail if the user wasn't a member of any groups.07:17
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CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8422 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (12 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'survey2' into flux07:49
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8423 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t: Merge branch 'survey2' into flux07:49
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8424 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Flux.pm: Improved experimental getHighestSticky method so that is can optionally skip rules in a linear progression07:49
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8425 /branch/WebGUI_flux/fluxdesigndocs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added flux odt presentations07:49
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8426 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (51 files in 30 dirs): 07:49
CIA-6WebGUI: Merge branch '7.6.3-beta' into flux07:49
CIA-6WebGUI: Conflicts:07:49
CIA-6WebGUI:  lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm07:49
CIA-6WebGUI:  lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm07:49
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8427 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Cherry-picked latest Survey from trunk07:49
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8428 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Flux.pm: Refactored getHighestSticky into more usable getLinearProgression, now returns entrie progression.07:49
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SDuensinGreetings.16:09
@preactionmorning16:10
* SDuensin is gonna dive into WebGUI today!16:11
@preactionyay!16:11
SDuensinYou say that now.  Wait until the questions start!16:13
SDuensinAnd here they go...16:15
SDuensinI installed WRE and WebGUI 7.5.3x from tarballs.  Now I have WebGUI 7.5.x from SVN.  Should I run the upgrade scripts?  How do I know when SVN has database changes I need to apply?16:15
@preactiongrab the "wgreset" script from svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools16:16
SDuensinAnd for you Mac-based developers, what tools do you prefer for working with WebGUI?16:16
@preactionuse that to reset your dev copy when you "svn up"16:16
@preactioni use vim with perl support and OSX's default terminal program16:16
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@preactionthe other PB devs use Komodo IDE16:17
SDuensinVIM?  Yea.  Ok, remind me not to ask you again.  :-P16:17
* SDuensin is a JOE fan!16:18
SDuensinThey're kinda proud of Komodo, aren't they?16:22
@preactionwho are?16:22
SDuensinActiveState16:22
@preactionuh... it makes them money?16:23
SDuensinI know.  Just been spoiled lately.  Been head-down in FOSS-land.16:23
* SDuensin has no wgreset in tools.16:23
SDuensin:-/16:23
@preactionSDuensin, it's in the svn repo16:24
SDuensinYea, I pulled it with:  svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools tools 16:24
@preactionlooks like it's called "wgd" now, and it's a little more involved than it used to be16:26
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SDuensinThat thing does quite a bit.16:29
* SDuensin is reading code16:29
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@perlmonkey2yeah, wgd is da bomb16:33
* SDuensin bets he can make it bomb. :-)16:33
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+perlDreamerMorning folks17:52
SDuensinHey perlDreamer 17:53
+perlDreamerI have an announcement to make.17:53
+perlDreamerI am no longer a chip designer17:53
+perlDreamerI was layed-off last Friday17:53
SDuensin:-(17:53
+perlDreamerFrom today on, I am now the proprietor and owner of perlDreamer Consulting, LLC17:53
+perlDreamerspecializing in WebGUI programming17:53
SDuensinperlDreamer, we can be scared together then.  Filing my resignation letter today.17:54
+perlDreamer(and assorted housework)17:54
+perlDreamergood luck SDuensin17:54
SDuensinMy wife is gonna shit bricks.17:54
@rizenSD, i thought you already quit17:56
@rizenyou haven't discussed this with your wife? seems like a bad idea.17:57
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: holy moly rolly polly17:59
Bernd_perlDreamer, congratulations!18:00
Bernd_Is that going to make you a rich man, eventually?18:00
+perlDreamerProbably not, but I'm planning on a happier life through perl programming ;)18:00
Bernd_And will I have to pay for advice in the future?18:01
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: tough times to start a consulting business, but people will be looking to save cash, and you can sell them on savings with WG migrations.18:01
Bernd_Just be cheaper than plain black ;-)18:01
+perlDreamerBernd_: The plan is to keep doing what I have been doing.  It's just that I'm available for consulting purposes.18:01
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you aren't going to market yourself?18:02
Bernd_That is great news!18:02
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: how will you get business?18:02
+perlDreamerWell, one thing that helped me make this decision is that I already have two customers.18:02
+perlDreamerBut I will need to market myself.  It's something I'm going to have to work on.18:03
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: my sis pays $5k/month in marketing for her business :P18:05
@perlmonkey2I'm not sure that is the way to go.18:05
+perlDreameruh, not for me.  Not yet.18:05
+perlDreamerBut if she can spend $5K/month on marketing, she must be doing well18:05
@perlmonkey2well, there is a lot of cash floating around, I'm just not sure how much she hangs on to.18:06
Bernd_I could quit my current job and do the marketing for $5K/month.18:06
Bernd_Not sure though if my services are worth that much :-)18:06
@perlmonkey2That 5K covers some serious advertising exposure though.18:06
Bernd_I see.18:07
Bernd_Rather going to keep my job.18:07
dionakis ProcessRecurringPayments no longer a valid workflow? it's in the conf file but I can't locate the perl class in the Workflow directory 18:08
dionakwg 7.518:09
@rizennot needed anymore18:09
@rizendionak18:09
dionakso it should be removed from the conf file...18:10
dionakis this considered a bug?18:11
@preactiondionak, i think it's already posted. there were a couple bugs about "unable to edit workflows", which was caused by that18:11
dionakah18:11
dionakk, thanks18:11
dionakdidn't see that in my first search..18:12
BartJoloh perlDreamer, my problem of last thursday solved itself (or I was stupid and too unpatient foe some caching problem)18:14
+perlDreamerCool.18:14
BartJolso no chip designing for you huh18:15
+perlDreamerNot any more18:15
BartJolmaybe you can ask money for being online here and answering questions18:16
BartJolby minute18:16
+perlDreamer5 cents, please18:16
BartJolyeah, well, since I seem to be your manager in this case, I ask 50% from all revenues18:17
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer support LLC.  $1 to ask an easy question, $10 per hard question, $100 for hand holding.18:17
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BartJolinitial consult is 85 euro an hour18:17
BartJolso I get 84,975 euro from you18:18
BartJolcan I add that to a "BartJol may ask stupid questions" fund?18:19
BartJoldarn, first stupid question18:19
+perlDreamerBartJol, I don't plan on selling IRC support.  _You_ may always ask questions18:19
BartJolhip hip hooray18:20
+perlDreamerbut i18n bugs cost 1 euro each18:22
BartJol?18:22
Bernd_What about applying patches?18:22
Bernd_Still free?18:22
+perlDreamersure18:22
BartJolso you can't stand that I correct you in your english?18:22
+perlDreamerI can stand it.  I just need a backup cash flow.18:23
BartJol:)18:23
+perlDreamerI meen kassh floow18:23
BartJolmmm, maybe I'll just stop reporting them18:23
BartJolwho gets the invoice?18:23
+perlDreamerKoen, of course18:23
BartJolthat sounds reasonable18:24
+perlDreamerHow is Tessa doing?18:25
BartJolwell, still pretty ok 18:25
BartJolI didn't talk with her that much last friday\18:25
BartJolbut she seemed ok18:25
+perlDreamergood18:25
BartJolI do have a recent pictue, but without zoom on her belly18:30
@perlmonkey2babies++18:31
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Planning on forking any processes?18:33
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: heh, not anytime soon18:33
BartJolmmm, my  stalled workflows seem to withhold me from getting the picture on my site18:34
Bernd_We do!18:37
Bernd_6th week. So it is still a bit early to talk about it.18:38
BartJolwell, I'm off to home18:38
BartJolso have fun talking about babies18:39
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8431 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): prevent calendar feed workflow activity from creating version tags unless it needs to18:53
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@perlmonkey2Bernd_ is 6 weeks into a forking call?19:07
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@rizenbug--19:09
@rizengo pd go19:09
@rizengo pd go19:09
* perlDreamer only hates JS 95% now19:20
SDuensinhehe19:20
* SDuensin shows perlDreamer ObjJ.19:21
@preactionobjJ? there's a MORE object-oriented java?19:21
+perlDreamerObjJ?19:21
SDuensinObjJ is a super-set of JS modeled after Objective-C.  It's spiffy.19:22
* SDuensin waits for rizen to scream "NOOOOO!"19:22
@preactionthat doesn't sound so bad19:22
SDuensinNo, it's very cool.19:22
+perlDreamerpreaction: When a JS object method is called, how does it get a copy of the object?19:24
+perlDreameris it "this"?19:24
@preactionyes19:24
@preaction"this" is magic19:24
@preactionjust like "new"19:24
@preactionmost OO systems are metric butt-tons of magic / keywords19:25
@preactionexcept, of course, Perls19:25
+perlDreamerhm19:25
+perlDreamermore assetManager questions, then19:27
+perlDreamerthe custom paginator query function is not being called19:27
+perlDreamerassetManager.js, like 25319:27
@preactionheh, that sounds like a JT question. he fixed that part of it19:27
+perlDreamerrizen: ping19:28
SDuensinrizen: timed out19:39
SDuensinAnyone want to direct my clueless butt towards a development workflow of some kind?19:40
+perlDreamerSDuensin, do you want a sample Workflow Activity, or something different?19:41
SDuensinNo, no.  Not WebGUI workflows.  What I need to do to work on WebGUI.  I checked out the code, tools, etc.  Now what?19:42
+perlDreamerFire up mysql, httpd and spectre19:43
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SDuensinFired.19:43
+perlDreamerNow, what kind of code do you want to build?19:43
SDuensinAll I know is that there's still no contact from the colony and that a xenomorph may be involved...    It's a bug hunt.19:44
* SDuensin wants to be able to fix bugs in WebGUI.19:44
rjacobsengood afternoon - wondering if someone could look at http://www.cdsforkids.net/photo_gallery2/making-of-the-mediak-dvd?func=thumbnails for me and tell me why when the mouse is rolled over a thumbnail it brings up an image, but when the mouse rolls off the image does not go away?19:44
rjacobseni am using the default webgui gallery thumbnail asset19:45
rjacobsenand i think someone of the javascript is messed up, but not sure how you folks intended for it to work19:45
rjacobsensome*19:45
* SDuensin is looking, rjacobsen 19:45
rjacobseni just confirmed it does it in both ie and firefox19:47
* SDuensin is still learning his way around the source. He's slow.19:55
@preactionSDuensin, that code is in "thumbnails.js", located in the Gallery Templates folder under the root node19:58
SDuensinko19:58
rjacobsenya i saw that19:58
@preactionit's... a bit tricky, so i'm not suprised that sometimes it doesn't work right19:58
rjacobsenbut not sure what code to manipulate to fix it19:59
rjacobsenit looks like the yahoo code19:59
@preactionit doesn't work at all in IE6, so that browser doesn't see it19:59
rjacobsensomething else interesting.... if after you roll the mouse over the new popup image, the popup image goes away like it is supposed to20:02
rjacobsenbut not till you roll the mouse over the popup20:02
SDuensinrjacobsen - which template are you using?  Default Gallery View Photo?20:03
@preactionthe popup is supposed to be exactly over the original thumbnail. if it isn't, then that's the problem20:04
rjacobseni edited the default gallery view photo template20:04
SDuensinpreaction - the original thumbnail doesn't trap the mouseout?20:04
@preactionit can't, there's a bigger image on top of it20:05
rjacobsenthe only change i made tho was to make the image open in a new window rather than a blank window taking people away from the website20:05
SDuensinNot on rjacobsen's page.  :-P20:05
@preactionthere's a plainblack.com gallery that has the same problem. i suspect that feature will need to be removed :(20:06
SDuensinOr fixed.  :-P20:06
rjacobseni would like the popup thumbnails removed if you can tell me what code to remove20:06
rjacobsenand i would just like to put a  link to my javascript function to open the image in a popup window20:07
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rjacobsenkind of like the code i have on this page >> http://www.cdsforkids.net/photo_gallery2/making-of-the-mediak-dvd/mediakshoot620:08
rjacobsenif you click the image it opens in a new window rather than in a new blank window taking the viewer away from the website entirely20:08
SDuensinrjacobsen - Look at this one:  http://vgs.jaegertech.net/photos/vgs20:09
SDuensinI can send you the package if you want it.20:09
rjacobsenfeel free to use the code i have on the page if you like by the way - i think this is a better idea than the old way20:09
@preactionopening a new window is considered bad practice for websites, and webgui's default templates should never do it20:10
SDuensinYes.  Windows == BAAAAAAD!20:10
rjacobsenwow sduensin!! i like that!!20:10
rjacobsenplease tell me how you did that!20:10
* SDuensin hacked that together before the Gallery was introduced.20:10
rjacobsenrofl20:10
SDuensinIt's just a folder with my Photo Gallery template on it.20:10
SDuensinLemme export one for you.20:11
rjacobsenthanx so much20:11
rjacobsenpls tell me what i have to do on my end to make it work20:11
SDuensinJust import it, put a Folder on the page, File Pile all your images into it, and set the template to Photo Gallery.20:12
SDuensinYou can put captions on the pics, too, but I never use that.20:12
rjacobsencoolness20:12
SDuensinIt also does multiple galleries on a single page with the next/previous links limited to each individual library.20:13
SDuensinCan I DCC it over?  It's 22k.20:14
rjacobsenDCC?20:14
SDuensinOk, I'll use PipeBytes.  URL on the way.20:14
rjacobsenzip and email to rjacobsen@mediak.com if you like20:14
SDuensinrjacobsen (and nobody else) - Go here:   http://host01.pipebytes.com/get.php?key=1013471732186720:15
rjacobsengot it - let me see if i can get it to work :)20:16
SDuensinJust import it using the asset manager.  To turn a folder of images into a gallery, set the Folder Template to "Photo Gallery Style".20:16
SDuensinLots of people like that.  I should put it in the bizarre bazaar. 20:17
rjacobsenthere may be a problem with this sduensin20:22
SDuensinyea?20:22
rjacobseni have like 50 websites...... how would i put this on a website to where the owner can simply upload some photos20:23
SDuensinJust make it so they can add files to the folder.20:23
+perlDreamerDude, I just wrote Javascript.20:28
+perlDreamerNow I know the world is upside down20:29
SDuensin:-P20:29
apeironI knew the world was upside down on Wednesday the fifth when xkcd was late and a Democrat was elected President.20:30
+perlDreamerThis vim macro fill autoformat a PB bug request into a changelog style comment20:32
+perlDreamer %hhd$0WWWPa ^[BhhxxxEx: <80>kb<80>kb<80>kbli:^[20:32
rjacobsenhey sduensin - this is nice - how can i add the title of the image to the window that opens?20:33
+perlDreamertime to take a short break20:34
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SDuensinrjacobsen - Lemme look it up.  I forgot!20:34
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SDuensinIt appears that it displays the synopsis of the file for the description.20:36
rjacobsenya i see that20:36
rjacobsenyou know...... why couldnt i just use your code combined with the gallery?20:37
SDuensinI'm sure you can.  Like I said, there was no gallery when I wrote it.20:37
rjacobsenim gonna do it :)20:37
SDuensinRock on.20:38
rjacobsenill give ya a finished product when im done and you can give your ok20:38
SDuensinSure.  I just did some hacking to get it all nice in WebGUI.  The JS was some PD code I found elsewhere.20:38
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rjacobsenwell if i can get it working, maybe others would like it too20:39
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rjacobsenstupid question...... i havent seen the ^/; macro before.... what does it point to?20:44
rjacobsenthe web root?20:44
@preactionit's the gateway macro20:46
@preactionthere's a macro help pdf available in the bazaar20:46
+perlDreamerrjacobsen, for a default webgui site, you'll never need it.  But if you design things for the core, or for others to use, it's always a good idea to use it.20:46
@khennbest way to figure out what it will do is to just create an article somewhere, throw it in there, and then look at it20:47
rjacobsenkk20:47
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rjacobsensduensin if you are still there.... it almost works as you can see here > http://www.cdsforkids.net/photo_gallery3/test/mediakshoot9 ....but for whatever reason the box on the right overlaps the thumbnail image21:01
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* SDuensin is here21:01
SDuensinLoading21:01
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SDuensinCool.21:01
* SDuensin likes the lightbox effect.21:01
rjacobsentryin to figure out how to make the stuff on the right not overlap the thumbnail21:02
+perlDreamerdemo.plainblack.com is running 7.5,right?21:07
@Haargyes21:07
+perlDreameris beta running 7.6?21:08
@Haargyep21:08
+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg21:09
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8432 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix assetManager paginator and column sorting21:12
+perlDreamerHaarg: re this bug http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/more-menu-doesnt-appear-for-current-asset-on-crumb-trail21:30
+perlDreamerThe More menu is working for me on FF/Linux21:30
+perlDreamerin both 7.5 and 7.621:31
+perlDreamerCan you still see this bug?21:31
@Haarglet me look21:35
@Haargnot working for me21:37
@Haargthe more menu on the items themselves works21:37
@Haargbut not on the crumb trail at the top21:37
+perlDreameroh, the one on the crumb trail!  I looked at the wrong one21:37
+perlDreamersorry about that21:37
@Haargyeah, the code for it just doesn't exist i believe21:38
dionakare the presentations from the wuc still up somewhere?21:40
dionaki'm looking for arjan's config file presentation...21:42
dionaknvrmind..had to login21:43
dionakdoh21:43
+perlDreamerI see the code (and understand it) for making the more menu, but I don't know how to create something to attach it to that element of the crumb trail.21:55
+perlDreamerI'll try reading the YUI menu widget docs21:55
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* perlDreamer goes for a run.22:04
@perlmonkey2Hmm, I wonder if I can drum up some business for perlDreamer.22:14
SDuensinMe too!  :-P22:14
* SDuensin is trying to file his resignation letter today. Except actual work keeps getting in the way.22:14
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: hahaha22:15
@perlmonkey2you are so busy working you can't quit?22:15
SDuensinSucks!  :-)22:16
SDuensinTrying to do a simple little import.  Usually goes fine.  Today?  Just 2032 errors.22:16
Mech422WooHoo!22:28
Mech422finally - a true 64Bit flash player for linux :-)22:28
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danny_mkGood day22:39
SDuensinGreetings.22:40
SDuensinMech422 - About time, eh?22:40
danny_mkhey, preaction.  I had to fix the array issue in WObject/WSClient.pm by replacing  $var{'results'} = \@result;  with ref $result[0] eq 'ARRAY' ? ( $var{'results'} = shift(@result) ) : ( $var{'results'} = \@result );22:40
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Mech422SDuensin: yeah - except I can't get it installed :-P22:42
rjacobsenwell sduensin... i think i got it working22:43
Mech422seems the tarball doesn't include the .xpt file22:43
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SDuensinMech422 - Minor detail.  There's probably a Flash video explaining it.  :-P22:43
SDuensinrjacobsen - Yea?  Cool!22:43
rjacobsenhttp://www.cdsforkids.net/new_photo_gallery <<< check it out22:43
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rjacobsenonly thing i wish is i could figure out how to get that dang layout not to overlap the photograph in the view photo template22:45
SDuensinrjacobsen - it's still overprinting the details & more details boxes on the image for me.22:45
SDuensinVuja-De!22:45
SDuensin:-)22:45
rjacobsenjust cant seem to figure out how22:46
rjacobseni just cant seem to find the dang css for that22:46
rjacobsenor whatever22:46
+MrHairgreaseanybody ever came across this log message? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d57e45c1922:46
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SDuensinMrHairgrease - An upgrade gone crazy?22:50
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+MrHairgreasesduensin: don't think so. I should really upgrade that thing22:51
+MrHairgreaseIt's running something _old_22:51
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+MrHairgreaseand grepping on imgsrc doesn't return anything22:51
SDuensinI remember those days.  Finally bit the bullet and did it.  Jumped like 47 releases in one shot.22:51
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah22:52
+MrHairgreasei do that regularly22:52
+MrHairgreasebut this is a site i maintain voluntarily22:52
+MrHairgreaseso I always have to find time to do stuff like that22:52
+MrHairgreasebesides, it's heaviliy integrated with mailman22:53
+MrHairgreaseand I really don't wanna screw that up22:53
+MrHairgreasealthough nothing should go wrong22:53
SDuensinI also jumped two WREs.  :-)22:54
+MrHairgreasehehe22:56
+crythiasok. so the draggable bar is above the edit bar.22:58
+MrHairgreaseso it should be22:59
+MrHairgreaseor else you wouldn't be able to drag small assets22:59
+MrHairgreasesmall as in not-wide22:59
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* SDuensin has officially resignated!23:11
@preactionyay!23:12
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: so....screwed to death?23:13
@perlmonkey2scared23:13
@perlmonkey2I meant scared23:13
+MrHairgreaseso, now what are you gonna do?23:16
+MrHairgreasemove to euro trash land?23:16
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: drum all you wish ;)  Just don't let it be javascript!23:20
+perlDreamerMrHairgrease: I have a new job23:20
+MrHairgreaseyou have?23:25
+perlDreamerI was layed-off last Friday.23:25
+MrHairgreaseyou were laid ogg23:25
+MrHairgreaseor you resigned yourself?23:26
+perlDreamerlaid off23:26
+MrHairgreasewhy?23:26
+perlDreamerlow stock price23:26
+MrHairgreasewow23:26
+MrHairgreaseso now you do what?23:26
+MrHairgreaseor is that a rethoroical question =)23:27
+perlDreamerfrom the ashes of silicon design rises perlDreamer Consulting23:27
+perlDreamertime to put my hacking where my mouth is23:28
+MrHairgreaseright23:29
+MrHairgreaseyou're gonna do webgui/perl stuff only23:29
+MrHairgreaseor are you still gonna be hacking chips23:29
+MrHairgreasein vhdl or whatever you used for that23:29
+perlDreamerwebgui/perl only23:30
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I have a friend who is now a millionaire, in something like your situation.  Only he did chip design consulting, and then built a goofy kids website on the side, which he then sold for millions.23:30
@perlmonkey2now he just travels the world and skiis.23:30
+perlDreamerwow23:30
@preactionsome friend...23:30
@preactionwait, was it ... zombo com?23:31
@perlmonkey2I can't say23:31
@preactionyou can do anything at zombo com23:31
@perlmonkey2no, I mean he told me I couldnt' tell anyone until the buying company does their big press release.23:32
@preactioni'm pretty sure it's not zombo com23:32
@preactionbut zombo com is awesome anyway23:32
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@perlmonkey2it's a goofy kids flash/ajax site though.23:33
@perlmonkey2hahahhaa, that is funny23:33
@perlmonkey2ah, nothing is possible at zombo.com23:34
@rizenno!23:34
@preaction... EVERYTHING is possible at zombo.com23:34
@rizenANYTHING is possible at zombocom23:34
@preactionthe only limit is yourself23:34
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8433 /experimental/Automat/ (2 files in 2 dirs): bug fixes23:35
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8434 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: better handling of defaults23:35
@rizenthe infinite is possible at zombocom23:36
@rizenthe unattainable is unknown at zombocom23:36
* SDuensin is confused at zombo com.23:37
@perlmonkey2if you stare too long at that site, you will become victim of the  subliminal messages and you will end up buying more ovaltine.23:38
+perlDreamerI've gotta help Little Orphan Annie by drinking my ovaltine!23:39
Mech422ok ... i has flash23:45
Mech422and youtube still sucks23:45
Mech422that is all23:45
Mech422best reason I know to get flash working on my machine: http://www.fantasticcontraption.com23:47
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apeironMech422, Ooh, thank you for reminding me about that.23:50
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+perlDreamerrizen, khenn.  What's the plan for new style Account vs the old account management interfaces?23:56
@khennwhat do you mean?23:57
@khennthe old ones go away23:57
@khennit's in the gotchas23:57
+perlDreamerit's just weird seeing Content code mixed in with Operation code.  I thought that it would completely switch over.23:59
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@khennnot sure what you mean00:04
@khennare you talking about the calls to: WebGUI::Account::Content::getInstance?00:05
@khennthose are simply there for backward compatibility00:05
@khennyou shouldn't be touching those ops anymore00:05
+perlDreamerNo, I'm talking about WebGUI:Operation::Profile still existing00:05
@khennyeah00:05
@khennhas to00:05
+perlDreameroh, okay00:05
@khennThose files are all deprecated00:05
@khenngoing away once WebGUI 8 is out00:05
+perlDreamerI've been trying to fix some of the bugs, and a few have to do with profile fields and password recovery.00:06
@khennthey are there so if someone is sitting out there with an email that says:  visit my profile at http://www.perldreamer.com?op=viewProfile;uid=fekwe44s00:06
@khennthat still works00:06
@khennI fixed a ton of profile field stuff00:06
+perlDreamerI bet.00:06
@khennforward me the bugs and I'll let you know if it's fixed or not00:06
@khennyou can IM them to me00:06
+perlDreamerAre you all done with Account, or still tinkering?00:06
@khennstill tinkering00:07
@khennI'm just finishing up the "Invite a friend" stuff00:07
@khennand I have to document it as well00:08
@khennand fix a few other things00:08
+perlDreamerOkay.  I'll limit those bug fixes to 7.5 then00:08
@khennI'll be done tonight at some point00:08
@khennwith all my tinkering00:08
@khennand then I'm going to be adding as many features as I can before the feature freeze =)00:09
@khennperlDreamer:  if it's not clear that something is deprecated, let me know and I'll try to make it more obvious00:10
@khennI'm pretty sure I used the word DEPRECATED in those files like 100 times00:10
+perlDreameryep, it's there in the POD for each method.00:11
* rizen hearts account manager00:17
+perlDreamerIt's a very nice interface.00:18
@rizenkhenn, do you already have someone working on retemplating it?00:21
@khennnot presently00:21
@khennI was expecting to hear from vrby at some point00:21
@rizendid you already put in the request for it?00:21
@khennno because you did00:22
@rizeni did?00:22
+perlDreamerhttp://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/11/16/depression_2009_what_would_it_look_like/?page=full00:22
@rizenman, the second thing to go is the memory00:22
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@khennperlDreamer, what do you think of it?00:24
@khenndo you like the new account system?00:24
+perlDreamerI do.00:25
+perlDreamerIt looks nice.00:25
+perlDreamerAll on 1 screen00:25
+perlDreamertabular00:25
+perlDreamerI half expected it to be ajax based from the interface00:25
@khennno, it had to be 508 compliant00:25
@khennso ajax wouldn't work00:26
@khennI used YUI for the tabs00:26
@khennI couldn't use YUI Datatables because sorting options are either: dump everythign to the page and let the client paginate or use AJAX00:26
@khennand large inboxes are a concern there00:27
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+perlDreamerpatspam: Can I add the GraphViz dependency to the testEnvironment.pl in your WebGUI_Flux branch?00:29
patspamperlDreamer: good idea00:30
patspamGraphViz was just a path of least resistance for visualising the flux graph, could well be replaced with something else later00:31
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@perlmonkey2flux has a graph?00:38
@perlmonkey2is it a graph of auth relationships?00:38
patspamit's a graph of any rules you've created00:40
patspamand since rules and depend on other rules, you get funky visualisations00:41
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8435 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (Automat-install.pl Automat-importSiteListFromCsv.pl): better folders00:57
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8436 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update the docs for Calendar List View start.* and end.* template variables00:57
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8438 /branch/WebGUI_flux/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: add dependency on GraphViz00:57
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8440 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: i'm stupid01:36
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8441 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm t/Macro/PrevNext.t): first cut at Previous/Next macro02:11
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8442 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm: Fixed a problem in error reporting in the saveSettings method02:11
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8443 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm: Fixed an issue where settings weren't being saved correctly.02:11
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patspamperlmonkey2: you awake?02:34
@perlmonkey2word yo02:35
@perlmonkey2patspam: what's up?02:35
patspamsurvey2 currently uses a blank style template by default, right?02:35
@perlmonkey2for which template?02:35
patspamfor the "style" template, e.g. the overall site template02:36
patspamthe one that all wobjects have02:36
@perlmonkey2yes, 02:36
patspamsorry, i'm talking in circles02:37
patspamwhat I really wanted to say is..02:37
patspami think that most people will want the Take Survey screen to use the site style template02:37
patspamwhereas by default it uses a very minimal template02:38
@perlmonkey2yeah, probably so.02:38
@perlmonkey2originally it was for scientific surveys which didn't want anything else cluttering the screen.02:39
patspamyeah, i think that's valid in a lot of cases02:39
@perlmonkey2But the default should probably be to use the site style.02:39
patspambut our case is research-based and they want styling02:39
@perlmonkey2and then if people don't want styling, they can remove it.02:40
patspamyeah. my designer starts copy/pasting the main style template into the Take Survey template, which quickly led to a maintenance problem02:40
patspambad designer, stop that!02:41
@perlmonkey2heh02:41
patspamso I'll put in an RFE saying that Survey should make use of the style template on the Take Survey screen?02:42
@perlmonkey2j/s02:42
@perlmonkey2I'm trying to shift gears and see what needs to be done.  Might be a two second fix.02:42
patspamah-k02:42
@perlmonkey2hmm, if I wrap the return in the style call, then people would have to alter the style for the page layout to show nothing if they don't want anything shown. 02:45
@perlmonkey2Which should just be a simple blank style.02:45
@perlmonkey2and then my default templates aren't set up to be inside a style template.02:47
CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8445 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding search and some compare features to Matrix v202:47
@perlmonkey2oh well, those templates are about to get an overhaul.02:48
patspamyeah, I would have thought the std  wg approach would be to require people to create a new style for the stripped-down one (or use the bundled Blank Style) if they wanted anything other than the default style02:48
@perlmonkey2done02:49
patspamlegend :)02:49
@perlmonkey2hah, you mean luser for not doing it the normal way and then using a blank site style for surveys as needed.02:50
patspaminnovating man, that's what you were doing02:52
@perlmonkey2patspam: too kind :P02:52
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8446 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Take survey now uses the site style.03:25
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CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8448 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: Fixed WebGUI::Macro::process call which was being called incorrectly but working for some reason.06:34
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8449 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 9 dirs): Merged the "Invite a Friend" application into the Account system and cleaned up the templates in the Inbox07:07
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CIA-6WebGUI: Add POD.07:46
CIA-6WebGUI: Add getPrevious with tests. Backward recursion still needs to be implemented.07:46
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@khennanyone here?08:11
@khennpreaction?08:11
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8451 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm: take advantage of lineage and simplify getNext. All tests pass08:20
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CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8452 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): 09:33
CIA-6WebGUI: Replaced the account.options loop in the displayAccount auth methods with new09:33
CIA-6WebGUI: macros for displaying deactivate account and back to site links. Another macro09:33
CIA-6WebGUI: which allows text to be displayed according to whether the value passed in is09:33
CIA-6WebGUI: empty or not was added to allow functionality similar to that which currently09:33
CIA-6WebGUI: exists.09:33
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8453 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.4/ (2 files): committed the wrong level of the macro package.09:33
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@preactiongood lord you're still UP?11:00
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CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8457 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server12:14
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@preactionwoot, go germany!12:30
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CIA-6WebGUI: * The TrueType font provided for CAPTCHA and chart label generation15:08
CIA-6WebGUI:  has limited support for Unicode glyph and also has a restricted15:08
CIA-6WebGUI:  license that forbids modification, forbids redistribution and15:08
CIA-6WebGUI:  does not provide source code for it, thus making it non free in15:08
CIA-6WebGUI:  the FOSS sense. It has been replaced with the TrueType font15:08
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CIA-6WebGUI: ernesto * r8462 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/default.ttf: (log message trimmed)15:08
CIA-6WebGUI: * The TrueType font provided for CAPTCHA and chart label generation15:09
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JohnHi guys16:13
@perlmonkey2whooohooo, RFE dy16:13
@perlmonkey2day16:13
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@perlmonkey2put your red hot requests in, put your red hot requests in.16:14
@perlmonkey2Karma them up and watch 'em get done.16:14
Guest66585Has anybody worked with auth memcookie16:14
Guest66585?16:14
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SDuensinGreetings.16:20
@perlmonkey2Guest66585: you got a link to that?  memcookie?16:21
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: word yo!16:21
SDuensinHey perlmonkey2 16:21
Guest66585Yep, the reference link is16:24
Guest66585http://authmemcookie.sourceforge.net/16:24
Guest66585But I don't really know exactly how to work with it16:24
@perlmonkey2Guest66585: so Apache would need to be recompiled with this module?16:30
@perlmonkey2I've never heard of this.16:30
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@perlmonkey2wow, I'm lazy when I won't get up and walk 2 feet to get my Apache book and instead track down the docs on their site.16:31
Guest66585I'm trying to develop an authentication module to work with simpleSAMLphp (Single Sign-On) and I think auth memcookie is a great solution16:33
Guest66585WebGUI is developed in perl so it's difficult make it work with php16:33
Guest66585Or do you know an alternative?16:33
@perlmonkey2Guest66585: I don't know why it wouldn't work.16:34
@perlmonkey2reading the docs, it could work as an auth plugin.16:34
@perlmonkey2But this is a fairly big project16:35
Guest66585Yeah! It's difficult16:35
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SDuensinNot too bad to hack up a new auth module.  Just copy an existing one and edit it.16:36
Guest66585But how to do this with authmemcookie?16:36
Guest66585I'm not an expert jeje16:37
Guest66585Or an alternative?16:37
@perlmonkey2Guest66585: well, there are a couple of ways to go about this.  Try to get a webgui dev/hacker/hanger-on interested in writing it.  Learn Perl and write it yourself.  Create and RFE, and add enough karma that it gets near the top of the list.  Or pay someone to write it for you (lots of options here).16:38
SDuensinI don't even know what authmemcookie is.  But sounds like something I need to learn.  :-)16:38
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: you pass coookie information to apache and then apache passes you session information if a session matches a good cookie.16:38
SDuensinInteresting.  I was gonna hack something like that together myself.  Guess I need to try The Google more often.16:40
* SDuensin wants to integrate an IMAP reader into WebGUI.16:40
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@rizenall hail perlmonkey216:57
@perlmonkey2rizen: eh?16:57
@rizendo you prefer not to be hailed?16:57
@perlmonkey2rizen: only when I'm king for a day, which isn't for a few more months.16:58
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@perlmonkey2rizen: the grahaminator17:20
SDuensinMorning, rizen.17:24
@rizenmorning SD17:26
SDuensinrizen, no email from the mothership yet.17:28
@rizenhuh?17:28
SDuensinYou said I'd get mail from someone so I could start causing damage.17:28
@rizenmonday17:29
@rizenplus, feel free to email him: vrby@plainblack.com17:29
SDuensinAh, ok, cool.17:29
SDuensinMonday is good.  :-)17:29
@rizenin the meant time, fix bugs17:29
* SDuensin is learning.17:30
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topsubWe installed a SQLForm.pm asset on 7.5.30 and when we are trying to do table joins we get javascript error "AjaxRequest is not defined". We are trying to select the current webgui table. Is this not allowed?17:44
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@perlmonkey2topsub: j/s looking to see when the SQLForm was removed17:50
topsubWhen this asset was isntalled doesn't seem like the Help nor the il8n directory was put into our lib folder. Would this have an effect?17:51
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@preactiontopsub, at best it wouldn't show certain labels, at worse it won't work at all17:59
topsublol hmm18:00
topsubmaybe i shoudl put those in there18:00
topsubnot sure why they weren't installed18:00
topsubso i guess its possible that because the il8n folder isn't there that is cause the error?18:02
@preactionis possible yes18:04
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8463 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Get CS Mail workflow doesn't commit version tags created18:20
topsubI added the other i8ln and help and still get the "AjaxRequest is not defined"18:26
topsubI only get the error when i select certain databases18:26
topsubthe ones i don't get the error shows the table dropdown list but its empty18:27
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CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8464 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Deactivate macro no longer needs a template. HasValueText macro is now called If19:07
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+MrHairgreasehowdy!19:13
+MrHairgreasehow was the rfe day?19:14
@preactionis! and i've been bugfixing all day19:17
+MrHairgreaseoh,19:17
+MrHairgreasei forgot about the tz difference19:17
+MrHairgreasei just came home from my non-oqapi job19:18
@preactionis it at least a fun job?19:18
@preactiondare i say, a GOOEY job?19:18
+MrHairgreasei get to handle with dangerous chemicals and expensive equipment19:19
+MrHairgreaseso i'd  say yeah19:19
+MrHairgreasetomorrow will be gooey time again19:19
nuba_dangerous chemicals!? nice19:19
nuba_you may end up growing some appendages19:19
nuba_any radioactive materials too?19:20
nuba_thatd be even more cooler19:20
nuba_or maybe hotter..19:20
+MrHairgreaseno, no radioactive materials19:21
+MrHairgreasewhich is why i still have only two eyes19:22
+MrHairgreasewhen will the feature freeze be excatly btw? is that 00:00 chicago time or just when 'you guys get up'19:23
@khennit's whenever "tomorrow" is for you19:23
@khennso if tomorrow for you is midnight Alaska, it's still good =)19:24
+MrHairgreaseI was asking that to see if i could still check two things in when it's tomorrow for me, but you guys are (hopefully for you) still vast asleep. 19:27
rjacobsensduensin: good afternoon19:41
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rjacobsensduensin: i have the gallery template working awesome except for 1 minor problem.... the view album page (in internet explorer) drops the images below each other, where as in firefox it lines them up to the edge of the page and then loops19:43
rjacobsennot sure how i can tell in the <tmpl_var file_loop> what number image it is on to be able to tell it to <br> at say 4 images so I can put the images in table cells19:45
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8465 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Adding more features to Matrix v220:37
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@tavistorizen, you never responded to Lauralyn's follow-up questions on RFE #618.  Are there any legitimate parts to this or should I close since she was mistaken about content profiling?20:51
@rizeni'l look20:52
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@rizenare we talking about 618 (syndicated content asset)?20:52
@rizenhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/syndicated-content-asset-make-images-in-the-downloaded-rss-feeds-available-in-the-template20:53
@tavistocrap 614 sorry20:53
@tavistosheesh helps if I give you the correct #20:53
@rizeni'll reply20:55
@tavistok20:55
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* perlmonkey2 stabs Thingy in the eye22:30
@perlmonkey2Am I just missing something or does the paginator take a template variable for copying items?22:32
@perlmonkey2not that I can find the paginator template :)22:33
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npinanskyhey is there any way to make a property of an asset require a value without manually coding it?22:38
@preactionyou mean like not allow it to be blank?22:56
@preactionor set a default?22:56
npinanskyyes not allowed to be blank23:02
@preactioni believe it must be manually coded in processPropertiesFromFormPost23:10
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CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8466 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: Fixed an issue where a variable was declared more than once.23:16
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8467 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 23:16
CIA-6WebGUI: - rfe: Event hover detail exclusions (#8761)23:16
CIA-6WebGUI: - rfe: Database Link test (#513)23:16
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8468 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm t/Macro/PrevNext.t): continue refactor, add more tests, fix POD23:16
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, do you read Slashdot?23:16
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yes23:16
+perlDreameryou see the new wind turbine generator article today?23:16
@perlmonkey2yeah23:16
@perlmonkey2pretty cool, but probably not for people like me.23:17
+perlDreamerNah, not until you're a PUC23:17
@perlmonkey2the cheapest I've seen home builts is about $1.50 per watt.  Commercial turbines easily break the $1 per watt barrier.23:17
@perlmonkey2although if commodity prices keep dropping, maybe they'll be easily affordable by everyone soon.23:18
+perlDreamerLots of interest in green energy right now.23:19
+perlDreamerAnd even if the cost was $3/watt for this new generator, it might pay itself off in the higher efficiency23:20
@perlmonkey2If it had higher efficiency, it would be lower cost per watt :P23:20
+perlDreamerhm, yeah23:20
+perlDreamerno wonder they laid me off last Friday.... ;)23:20
@perlmonkey2well I'm jut being pedantic as there are a billion ways to measure wattage.23:21
@perlmonkey2I prefer 12mph output.23:21
@tavistowow, was looking at this RFE and realized wG doesn't have a max # of login attempts feature... that really surprises me23:22
+perlDreamerwhy don't you submit it, tavisto?23:22
@perlmonkey2tavisto: yeah, just hook your rainbow table up to WG and try away.23:23
@perlmonkey2oh, but you need to know username's first.23:23
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@tavistoalthough I'm assuming the big peeps using wG right now tie into some sort of LDAP and I believe that the account would be locked from the LDAP or AD side23:23
@perlmonkey2so hmm....I guess a rainbow table is useless without a list of usernames.23:23
@tavistoperlDreamer, that's the RFE23:23
@tavistoI just didn't believe it when I first read the RFE... I definitely would have bet money that it was an existing feature. :) Guess I lose23:24
@perlmonkey2tavisto: I don't think it is needed.  Since WG doesn't tell you if you have the correct username or not, an attacker would have to get the username and password correct.23:25
@tavistoWell this is an old RFE from 2006. I'm wondering if it has any merit or if I should close it then. (#18)23:26
@tavistoThis person is also suggesting that owner of the account should be able to unlock the account by requesting an email to be sent to his profile email account.23:27
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: if you are bored, I have a nut for you to crack. http://pastebin.com/d3b54c96923:29
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@perlmonkey2actually anyone bored want to take a look?  http://pastebin.com/d3b54c96923:30
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: needs quoting23:30
+perlDreamerthe values need quoting23:30
@perlmonkey2but they are placeholders?23:31
@perlmonkey2hm, so if I'm going to quote them, how do I tell which columns are strings or not?23:32
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, you're right.  The values are placeholders, but the field names aren't23:32
@perlmonkey2you wouldn't want to insert into a INT column "0"23:32
@perlmonkey2oh23:32
@perlmonkey2gotcha23:32
+perlDreamerThat needs to be done in the UserList, too, from the bugs I see23:32
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+perlDreamerAMH_henry, still awake?23:33
AMH_henryperlDreamer: yes. btw. thanx for fixing the upgrade script23:33
+perlDreamerYou're welcome.  I wanted to make sure that was okay with you guys.23:34
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: eh?  UserList?23:34
@perlmonkey2Bugs in my code, or in the bugs list?23:34
+perlDreamerbugs list23:34
+perlDreamerI thought Yung wrote UserList?23:34
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: $hash->{$db->dbh->quote_identifier($keyName)} = $newId; was the problem.  That added an extra column.23:34
@perlmonkey2``$keyName``23:35
@perlmonkey2and `$keyName` :D23:35
@perlmonkey2whups23:35
@perlmonkey2now after I check in about 50 things you'll be able to copy thingy data.23:35
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+perlDreamerbopbop: get any postcards yet?23:39
@bopbophe says four so far23:40
+perlDreamerPeter and Tim got theirs out, mine got lost in a pile, so there should be at least one more on the way.23:40
@bopbopcool23:41
AMH_henryperlDreamer: the code is a lot better using the API. i should have done that in the first place. 23:41
+perlDreamerThe WebGUI API is huge, and it keeps changing and expanding.23:42
@perlmonkey2I guess I should have checked with someone in charge, but I added to the Wobject API the copyCollateral method.23:43
@preactionWebGUI 8 is the Eve of Destruction!23:43
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, in general, adding API is fine.  Especially if it can be reused.23:43
@preactioncollateral isn't handled by Wobject class anymore, it's best done in an OO manner23:43
+perlDreamerWebGUI 9 is the port to Rakudo23:43
@perlmonkey2preaction: wow, that sucks.23:43
@perlmonkey2oh well, that is how Thingy does it.23:44
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AMH_henrySo in WebGUI 9 we can start writing assets in C++ ;)23:50
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8469 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Wobject.pm Wobject/Thingy.pm Wobject/Survey.pm): Thingy now has a copy thing data option.23:51
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8470 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Thingy copy thing data docs.23:51
+perlDreamerIf I can build a where clause that makes getLineage do the wrong thing, is that considered a bug?23:55
@preactionlike a broken where clause?23:56
+perlDreamerno, it's all valid SQL, but getLineage will return unexpected data.23:56
+perlDreamerI'll post it as a bug, and y'all can tell me how foolish I'm being there.23:58
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@preactionthat's weird. mysql sucks if it allows that00:04
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+perlDreamergotta go to the bank to open up an account for perlDreamer Consulting.  bbl.00:11
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CIA-6WebGUI: Help for macro template variables.03:20
CIA-6WebGUI: Template for macro, with i18n.03:20
CIA-6WebGUI: Final tests for previous/next logic, and for template logic and some basic output checks.03:20
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CIA-6WebGUI: - Added a wait timeout parameter to the WAITING method, so that Spectre03:20
CIA-6WebGUI:  doesn't have to check something that the workflow activity knows it will03:20
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@perlmonkey2lot's of coming and going04:10
+perlDreameryeah, what's up with that?04:31
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elninoHi! I have a website that has about 10 different domains.  I want them all pointing to the same site. So I modified the modproxy and the modperl and it works great. Just wondering if and why I need to add it to the .conf file under "sitename"? I currently do not have it listed there. so I wonder what the setting is for.06:27
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CIA-6WebGUI: Added a couple of failing PrevNext tests06:56
CIA-6WebGUI: Added previous/next menuTitle and title templates vars for descriptive links06:56
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8479 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/upgrades/default_prev_next.wgpkg: Updated PrevNext default template to show descriptive link titles and some extra styling06:56
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@perlmonkey2As per the /. article, PB will no longer be paying employees for the time spent booting their computers.  Unfortunetly for PB, the Mac's boot in about 15 seconds, so this will average to 0 minutes unpaid.16:42
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SDuensinHowdy.17:04
nuba_not quite. you accrue 15 seconds in every boot17:05
nuba_thats one minute every 417:05
nuba_guess about 15 minutes per month or so17:06
nuba_if you reboot a lot17:06
nuba_thats something17:06
SDuensinBut you don't have to reboot a Mac!17:06
nuba_well, you can17:07
@perlmonkey2heh17:11
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SDuensinIf I get paid for boot time, I'm going to start using my IIgs that needs six floppies to reach the desktop.17:12
+MrHairgreasegood luck finding a computer with a disk drive17:16
SDuensinIt's a IIgs!  It has *TWO*!  One for each size!17:16
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BartJolI'm paid for boot time and Koen wants me to have Windows...., maybe that's why I have a laptop and a normal computer17:29
+MrHairgreaseas always, everything can be blamed on Koen =)17:32
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SDuensin:-)17:33
* SDuensin will remember that.17:33
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SquOnkHi18:33
SquOnkIs 7.5.34 coming out today?18:34
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Bernd_Hey perlDreamer, how ist the consulting business going?19:02
Bernd_I have a question related to your last email.19:03
+perlDreamerOkay, Bernd_: shoot19:03
+perlDreamerconsulting is good so far, the first 3 days, that is19:03
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Bernd_What do you mean by "the patch has to be backported"?19:03
Bernd_Talking about the Userlist.19:03
+perlDreamerOh, bug fixes have to be fixed in both branches (7.6 and 7.5) 19:04
+perlDreamerNormally we fix bugs in 7.6 and "backport" to 7.519:04
+perlDreamerwell, _I_, not _we_19:04
Bernd_Ok. So that does not mean extra work for me to done?19:04
Bernd_to be done19:04
+perlDreamerNo19:04
Bernd_Did you find the related bug reports?19:05
SDuensinperlDreamer - Glad to hear the consulting is going well.   Me too!  Today has been CrAzY!19:05
+perlDreamerYes, and I closed them.19:05
Lisettehello, i have an user content manager and he must creates new products, i change the permission of the shop by the admin console for content manager, and when he tries to create a new product the site show that he don't have the permission, what i must do?19:05
Bernd_Perfect!19:05
Bernd_perlDreamer, one more question about the UsersOnline macro.19:05
+perlDreamersure, Bernd_:19:05
Bernd_It is not clear to me currently whether the showOnline field is created for new sites.19:06
Bernd_I assume that is not the case.19:06
Bernd_At least it does not work on my local installation.19:06
Bernd_What do I have to do?19:06
BartJolLisette: thoroughly check your settings is what you must do19:08
Bernd_I mean, how can I achieve that it is already there from the beginning?19:08
+perlDreamerBernd_: It's in the create.sql script for the 7.6 branch.19:08
+perlDreamerIts also in the upgrade script for 7.6.2 to 7.6.319:08
+perlDreamerI'd need to know more about what you're doing to help out.19:08
Lisettehow?19:08
BartJolwell I can not guess from here, since I don't know how your site's been setup19:09
Lisettei create an user and add the group content managers19:09
BartJolso the page or other container asset where your shop is should be editable bu that group/user19:09
Bernd_Ok. So nothing to worry about?19:09
Lisetteyes19:10
Lisettei do this19:10
Bernd_Cool!19:10
Bernd_Going to start new projects then :-)19:10
+perlDreamerBernd_: You're good to go.19:10
Lisetteand i chage the settings of the shop19:10
Bernd_BTW, how was RFE day yesterday?19:10
BartJolLisette: and is he also in the Product managers group?19:11
Lisettewho can managers and select content managers19:11
Bernd_Unfortunately, I was not at home.19:11
+perlDreamerI was doing business stuff most of the day.  rizen made a follow-up post to his RFE day #3 blog entry19:11
Bernd_Hope to be able to join the next one again.19:11
Lisetteno, ok, thanks19:11
Bernd_I have read that one already.19:11
BartJolmmm, those RFE days are always on tuesdays19:12
Bernd_Alright. Not going to bug you any longer.19:12
Bernd_Enjoy work!19:12
+perlDreamerThanks, Bernd_!19:12
Bernd_I am done for today.19:12
BartJolat daytime I'm at a customer and at nighttime I fly and look for innocent virgins19:12
Lisettei do that and nothing19:13
Bernd_Found any yesterday?19:13
Lisettedon't work19:13
Bernd_bopbop, when I past a magazine stand today I encountered another magazine that might be interesting.19:14
@bopbopyes?19:14
Bernd_What do you think of that one: http://www.pcpraxis.de/index.php?option=com_zeitschriften&auswahl=3019:15
Bernd_Might be even better than the linux mag.19:15
@bopbopyeah, it can't hurt to try :)19:15
@bopbopand since it's for open source19:15
@bopbopmaybe it will have fewer "rules"19:15
Bernd_Hopefully :-)19:15
BartJolsorry Lisette, can't see exactly what's happening, and I have to go, good luck19:16
Bernd_Is that common that computer magazines do not accept any pre-written articles19:16
Lisetteok19:16
Bernd_?19:16
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SDuensinDepends on the magazine.  Most would take them, I'd think.19:16
@bopbopit is somewhat common, because they want to be neutral - prewritten articles run the risk of bias19:16
Bernd_Hm, not the German linux magazine :-(19:17
Bernd_What about that one: Internet Magazin - magnus.de19:17
Bernd_http://internet-magazin.magnus.de/19:17
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Bernd_They have PHP on the current cover but I do not think it is limited to that.19:17
Bernd_Shotgun approach?19:18
SDuensinDr. Dobb's here in the states is always looking.19:18
Bernd_Just write to them all?19:18
Bernd_Is that a magazin?19:18
Bernd_But I am looking for some German mag actually.19:18
@bopbopyou could just write to as many as possible19:18
@bopbopand see who replies most favorably19:18
LisetteI have a user who is in the groups content managers and product managers to manage the shop, the shop of the admin console configure the permissions for the group product managers, and when the user tries to create a new product I get permissions error , I do?19:18
Bernd_Good. Going to do that then.19:19
@bopbopfingers crossed19:19
Bernd_Would you mind to have a look a the letter first before I start to distribute?19:19
@bopbopsure, email it19:19
Bernd_I could do a rough translation.19:19
@bopbopok19:19
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@preactionLisette: creating a new product is something for the Turn Admin On group, not shop managers19:20
Bernd_Good. Probably on Sunday. 19:20
Bernd_Hopefully...19:20
Lisetteyou mean that the only admins can create the products?19:21
Lisettepreaction19:24
@preactionLisette: Products are Assets, whoever can add Assets can add Products19:24
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Lisettehow to creates a macro that creates a form and process?19:46
+MrHairgreaseby programming it =)19:49
+MrHairgreasebye19:49
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LisetteWebGUI have an api that creates a form?19:51
+perlDreamerLisette, WebGUI has several forms.  They are subclasses of WebGUI::Form and can be found in lib/WebGUI/Form/*.pm20:13
+perlDreamerThere are easy methods for using the forms, in WebGUI::HTMLForm and WebGUI::TabForm20:13
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Lisettethanks i see20:22
Lisettei'm going to see20:23
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8488 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Replaced Matrix with newer version21:12
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8489 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding javascript files for new Matrix21:49
CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8490 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (MatrixFieldType.pm MatrixCompare.pm): Adding new Matrix Form elements21:49
CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8491 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Form_MatrixCompare.pm: Adding international for MatrixCompare form element21:49
@perlmonkey2mysql tables with empty comment columns should be dropped.21:58
@perlmonkey2I'm just saying.21:58
SquOnklol21:59
* SquOnk wishes for free time to get WebGUI to run on PostgreSQL21:59
* perlmonkey2 wishes he wasn't reverse engineering DB schemas from a bunch of templated code.22:00
@perlmonkey2users are identified with groups in the  groupings table?22:02
@perlmonkey2well, seems right to me.  I'll go with it.22:06
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rjacobsensduensin - good afternoon22:10
SDuensinGreetings.22:11
rjacobseni fully integrated your piece of work with the webgui gallery and it works great22:13
rjacobseni also fixed the code for the rollover of the images22:14
rjacobsenthere was 1 bad line of code if you guys want to make the fix available to everyone22:14
SDuensinSweet!22:15
rjacobsenlet me get it on a site fast so you can see it22:15
rjacobsenhttp://www.alanaethridge.org <<< check it out22:21
SDuensinoading22:22
SDuensinI like!22:24
rjacobsenfully operational22:24
rjacobsenif you want - tell me where to send the package and ill send it to ya22:24
SDuensinSure!  scott@jaegertech.com22:25
rjacobsenill just zip it and send it22:25
elninoHi! I have a website that has about 10 different domains.  I want them all pointing to the same site. So I modified the modproxy and the modperl and it works great. I didn't add them to the .conf file, but it still works. So I"m just wondering what that setting does?22:28
rjacobsensduensin see if you got the email please and if you can read the code i put in it... i wrote in the email exactly what i fixed in the thumbnails.js file in the gallery asset22:40
elninorjacobsen - your products from your site just went onto my christmas list for my daughter!!! thank you for sharing!22:41
SDuensinNot here yet.  Will keep watching.22:41
rjacobsenhmm22:42
rjacobsenwell it is on the way22:42
rjacobsenmake a noise in here when you get it and see it is ok as i have the window minimized22:42
SDuensinrjacobsen - Awooga!  Awoooga!  I got it.  Thanks!22:51
rjacobsencool22:51
rjacobsenhope you can use that in the next update - it totally fixes the gallery asset22:52
SDuensinDid you post it to the PB bug board?22:52
rjacobsenobviously i have specced the css to my websites - but that can be changed22:52
rjacobseni havent had time........ i now have to update 50 websites....... since i finally got it fixed22:53
SDuensinhehehe22:53
rjacobsenill be at that till monday - just figured i would at least give it to you22:53
SDuensinI appreciate it.  Been wanting to add the light-box myself.  Just not had time.22:54
rjacobsenappreciate the cool help with it as well22:54
SDuensinMy pleasure.22:54
rjacobsenwell it totally works now, and aside from some css tweaks, it should be fully functional22:54
rjacobseni will also be adding a new flash macro to the webgui boards when i get time22:55
rjacobsenit is very cool22:55
rjacobsenworks in ALL browsers too22:55
SDuensinI hacked together a player template, too.22:56
rjacobsenmy next project is building a complete flash website inside of webgui with NO html at all22:56
rjacobsenwe are so sick of html and its total inconsistancy..........22:57
SquOnkFoly huck!22:57
rjacobsenyep22:57
rjacobsenno html22:57
SDuensinhere's my test page for Flash:  http://www.duensing.com/scott/video-tests22:58
rjacobsenwe already have the plan laid out22:58
SDuensinWe need to talk rizen into using ObjJ & Cappuccino for stuff.  :-)22:58
rjacobsenno i am going to totally write the browser and website completely in flash22:59
rjacobsenno more ie, moz, saf, op.... and all those idiots23:00
SquOnkrjacobsen: Um... how about blind people who'd like to use the web?23:00
SquOnkrjacobsen: ...or the bots for that matter.23:01
rjacobsenwell guess ill be the next bill gates and design a whole new browser23:01
SDuensinUh, screw em?23:01
rjacobsenbecause html is so unreliable23:01
* SDuensin once set off to write an ActiveX control that was the Mozilla rendering engine. Find IE, replace it!23:01
rjacobsenat least with flash you know what you get23:02
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rjacobsenim so sick of having to check my code in 6 damm browsers to see if it works...... and then the layout looks completely different in each one23:03
SDuensinOnly six?23:03
rjacobseneliminate html, css, and javascript........... use flex and flash....... and vwalla....... it looks the same everywhere no matter what browser23:03
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rjacobsenanyhow......... finished with my plan to conquer the world......... back to html *cry23:06
@perlmonkey2rjacobsen: so write a flash cms23:06
rjacobseni like webgui23:07
rjacobsenjust hate html23:07
rjacobsenwish i could use php in webgui........ would make life so much easier23:07
rjacobsensorry if im in a crabby mood........ im 39 years old today and hard to believe im almost 40.............23:10
SquOnkrjacobsen: Hey, I'm 39 too.23:11
rjacobsencool23:11
rjacobsenor..... i'm sorry23:11
SquOnkrjacobsen: And my life has been easier since 1994 when I started used Perl and skipped the PHP bag-of-crap entirely :-)23:12
rjacobsenwhat do you make of this sduensin? http://www.mylittletunes.com/photo_gallery3?func=listAlbumsRss23:12
rjacobsenwell good evening..... off to home23:17
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+perlDreamerself-employment tax sucks23:41
SDuensinperlDreamer - I don't wanna know.23:43
+perlDreamerLet's just say we're going to be 7.65% more patriotic than other Americans23:44
SDuensinWhee.23:47
elninoit's going to get worse.23:52
+perlDreamerI know23:53
elninoWould you be able to tell me what the site name configuration variable in the conf file does? it doesn't seem to affect what domains the webgui site "answers" to.23:54
+perlDreamersite name in the config file...23:56
elninoyep23:56
+perlDreamerwell, it's used to construct full URLs in Session/Url23:56
+perlDreamerIt's returned by a macro23:56
+perlDreamerthat's just off the top of my head23:57
elninoI have a site that answers to about 10 domains. I modified the mod proxy and mod perl files and it works fine without adding them all to to conf file. So I was curious if I needed to add the domains there as well, it didn't seem to affect anything.23:57
elnino(without them there)23:57
elnino(without them *listed* in the conf file)23:58
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+perlDreamerelnino, you can read perl code, right?00:00
elninoyes00:00
elninoI ty00:00
elninotry00:00
+perlDreamerokay.  The only place I've found where multiple sitenames may make a difference, is in WebGUI::Session::Url::getSiteName.00:01
+perlDreamerbasicallly, I did this00:01
+perlDreamerack -i -- 'config->get..sitename'00:01
+perlDreamerand looked through that00:01
elninook.. I'll take a look. Thanks!00:02
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elninoperlDreamer. There is a lot of assumption that the first site name is the one that I want used. I wonder why the HTTP server variable SERVER_NAME iisn't used instead?00:20
elninoor HTTP Host00:20
+perlDreameryou can set it to use that00:20
+perlDreamerbut by default, it uses the first entry of the sitename variable00:21
+perlDreamersee the hostTouse conditional check?00:21
+perlDreamer"hostToUse"00:21
+perlDreamerthat determines if it uses the first sitename entry, or if it uses the requested http host00:22
elninooh! I thought. You guys think of everything.00:22
elninonix the "I thought" I was starting a different sentence and never finished =)00:22
elninoI didn't see the conditional check, Cause I don't have ack I had to use grep, and it gives you only one line... 00:23
+perlDreamerI only used ack to tell me where to look.00:25
+perlDreamerno magic there ;)00:25
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@preactionhttp://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=webgui00:27
+perlDreamerthat's funny00:27
elninoI think there is a flag for grep to show so-many-lines of context - I never looked into it...  I thought maybe ack did that automatically. 00:29
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+perlDreamerpatspam: I learned some valuable consulting lessons today01:34
+perlDreamer1) Self-employment tax in the US is about 7%01:35
+perlDreamer2) One cannot watch SciFi repeats and efficiently hack perl.01:35
+perlDreamertime for a break01:35
patspamre: 2, at least you end up with awesome sci-fi themed test cases01:38
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SDuensinIf it's a SciFi Original Movie I can.  :-)01:56
+perlDreameror if Uwe Boll wrote/directed it?01:56
SDuensinHey!  Talk nice about him or he'll BOX YOU!01:56
+perlDreamerOr write a movie about me.  Don't know which would be worse.02:01
SDuensinI saw one video interview with him where he was a pretty cool guy.  The guy interviewing him didn't attack him like most people and let him talk.02:03
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nuba_>When rumors surfaced that Boll had expressed interest in a Metal Gear Solid movie, and claimed to have been given a script to read, Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima responded in his audioblog HIDECHAN, "Absolutely not! I don't know why Uwe Boll is even talking about this kind of thing. We've never talked to him. It's impossible that we'd ever do a movie with him."[12] 02:07
nuba_from wikipedia02:07
nuba_LOL02:07
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+Radix-wrkhaha02:22
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JuanLgood evening.. I just found at wiki / installation-options, a message saying WRE has 300% improved performance over source install... is this because of the mysql and apache2 binaries inside WRE ?02:26
JuanLor this can be achieved by tweaking the configuration?02:27
+perlDreamerJuanL: The WRE apache2 and mysql binaries are stripped way down and optimized for WebGUI use.02:27
+perlDreamerYou could get some, but not all of that performance improvement with config changes to each.02:28
+Radix-wrkthe WRE is also configured with a mod_proxy/mod_perl structure which improves things no end too02:28
SDuensinTerribly off topic, but any gamers in here?  Steam has Half-Life for 99 cents!  Just spreading the joy.  :-)02:29
+Radix-wrkand I've heard some of the mysql/apache builds that come with some distro's are incredibly slow in comparison.02:29
JuanLok.. I see. Thanks so much.02:29
+Radix-wrkSDuensin, yes, but surely any REAL gamers have had half-life for years now ;)02:29
+Radix-wrkI still have a couple of copies of half-life 2 I can give away on steam too from memory02:30
SDuensinI know, but there's a lot of Mac users in here.  :-P02:30
JuanLok.... in terms of security... what the recommendation would be? WRE vs Source ? 02:30
SDuensinHL runs on Mac (with Steam) under WINE/CrossOver.02:30
SDuensinRadix-wrk - Yep!  I already gifted out my extras.02:30
JuanLusually I'd rather use manual tweaking at the config files to improve security instead of trust default configurations...02:31
JuanLthat's why I ask.. I'm very new to webgui, I'm planning to migrate from Metadot02:31
+perlDreamerthere's no real difference in security between the WRE and a source install.02:32
+perlDreamerWRE updates are less frequent, but I believe they cherry pick them carefully.02:33
+perlDreamerThese would be great questions to ask on the forums at webgui.org.02:33
@preactionthe WRE is the same source packages, just compiled by us and configured for webgui02:33
+perlDreamerpreaction, I think the question had more to do with release schedules for bugfixes vs normal releases.02:34
@preactionah02:34
JuanLindeed..02:34
JuanLI see.. well you've been all very kind, thank you. Will go back to my sandbox and keep playing. perlDreamer, I'll make those questions as you suggested02:35
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+perlDreamerIt's a pretty valid WRE question02:39
+perlDreamerI don't if WRE releases keep up with bugfixes for all subcomponents.02:39
+perlDreamerI don't know if...02:39
nuba_anyone here ever checked out seaside?02:44
nuba_this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside_(software)02:45
SDuensinRead about it.02:45
+perlDreamerRandal Schwartz and his company really like it.02:46
+perlDreamertime to go into daddy mode.02:47
+perlDreamerlater guys02:48
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SDuensinI've been wanting to learn Squeak.  No time.02:48
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8492 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm t/Macro/PrevNext.t): interim check-in. A few problems left to solve03:38
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CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8494 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added new operand: AssetId, which simply returns the assetId of the asset for which the flux rule is being evaluated against (if any)09:33
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BartJolhe pesl, Dutch?13:10
peslYup13:11
BartJoldo I know you already?13:11
BartJolI'm off for lunch13:13
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peslI dont know if you know mew already :)13:57
peslWhy?13:57
BartJolOh just wondering, the Dutch community isn't that big14:10
BartJolso we welcome everyone14:10
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SDuensinGreetings.16:30
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Bernd_Hey folks,18:17
SDuensinMorning.18:17
Bernd_I am trying to convince a guy from our IT department that WebGUI would be a good choice for our intranet.18:18
Bernd_But we are struggling with ldap authentication.18:18
Bernd_Is anyone familiar with that?18:18
Bernd_Currently, WebGUI tells us that the connection is invalid.18:18
Bernd_But it does not tell us why.18:18
Bernd_Is there more information in the log file or somewhere else?18:19
Bernd_BTW, we are using the CentOS appliance.18:19
SDuensinSorry.  I don't use LDAP (yet).  :-/18:19
@rizenthe admin guide explains how to use it if you have that book18:19
@rizenthere's a whole chapter on it18:19
Bernd_Not yet.18:19
Bernd_Probably going to order it then.18:19
Bernd_Now that prices have dropped :-)18:19
@rizenif you have warnings on in your log there may be additional info put to the log18:20
SDuensinMorning, rizen 18:20
@rizenmorning sd18:21
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Bernd_rizen, Admin guide ordered.18:47
Bernd_But since it is going to take weeks to arrive,18:47
Bernd_would you mind to give us a hint?18:47
Bernd_The connection is valid now.18:47
Bernd_Still we cannot log in as ordinary users.18:48
Bernd_It seems to be related to the password field?!18:48
Bernd_That is the name of it.18:48
SDuensinThose books arrive a lot faster than Lulu says they will.18:48
Bernd_The content managers guide took 3 weeks to ship!18:49
SDuensinReally?  Dang.18:49
SDuensinI got my Dev Guide in a week.18:49
Bernd_But you are located in the US?18:49
SDuensinYea.18:50
Bernd_We are in Germany.18:50
Bernd_So its overseas shipping.18:50
Bernd_it's18:50
SDuensinOh.  Well, you're screwed.  :-)18:50
@perlmonkey2I'm not real up to speed on WG's messaging/mail system.  How would a user send a message to someone else?18:51
Bernd_Via the profile view.18:51
Bernd_Or directly using the respective operation.18:51
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Bernd_Wooha. Got it to work!19:11
Bernd_But it is definitely not self-explanatory.19:11
Bernd_Hover help could certainly be improved.19:11
Bernd_See you tomorrow!19:16
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+perlDreamerrizen: is Plain Black glossy, or more of a matte finish?20:35
+perlDreamertopsub: ping20:38
topsubyes?20:39
+perlDreamerHave you had a chance to revisit the recover password template bug you posted?20:41
+perlDreamerI can't duplicate it in either 7.5 or 7.620:41
topsubah, yes i saw that i hope to get to it today, as i have some down time today20:41
topsubi guess that demo site i made20:41
topsubis gone now were i could duplicatei t20:41
+perlDreameryeah, that's the bummer of demo sites20:42
+perlDreamerI did the same thing :(20:42
topsubi try to make new demo site right now20:43
topsuband see20:43
@rizenperlDreamer: i don't know what you mean, our logo? our brochures? something else?20:45
+perlDreamerjust the concept of plain black20:46
+perlDreameris it flat, absorbing all light in an ominous fashion, or glossy and bright and plain black?20:47
@rizenoh, yeah, flat20:48
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@rizenit's a plain black20:48
@rizenso ordinary, not outstanding, overstated, just ordinary20:49
+perlDreamerI'm having problems coming up with a logo for pDC, and am looking around for inspiration.20:49
+perlDreamerKathy put the kaibosh on a camel dreaming about a gooey dreaming about a camel20:49
@rizenmy only advice for you is to keep it as absolutely simple as possibl20:49
@rizene20:49
@rizenno more than 2 colors20:49
topsubperlDreamer, unless i am missing something i can recreate it on demo.webgui.org20:50
@rizenand try to keep it viewable with just 120:50
@rizenuse bold strokes20:50
@rizennothing that would look gaudy as you size it up, or that would disappear as you size it down20:50
+perlDreamertopsub, what's the url?20:50
topsubhttp://demo.webgui.org/demo1227206401_674/20:50
+perlDreamerI'm guessing I'm doing something slightly different from you that works20:51
topsubi setup a custom template20:51
topsubadding some random text20:51
topsuband it doesn't show when i logout of the ssytem and click that i forgot my password20:51
topsubYa i can't visit what you setup to see what you did ;-(20:51
+perlDreamertopsub, in the setting it says to use the default one20:52
topsubr u sure?20:53
+perlDreameryes20:53
+perlDreamerhave a look20:53
topsubarg. i chagned the wrong one20:53
topsub<-- my fault20:53
topsubgive me a second20:53
topsublook at "Expired Password Template"20:54
topsubi have my custom one there20:54
+perlDreameroh!20:54
topsubfixing it now, just a moment20:55
topsubokay now give that a shot20:55
+perlDreameryup, that's looks broken20:57
+perlDreamerI wonder why I can't duplicate it on my dev site?20:57
+perlDreamerI'll try again20:57
topsubhow did your work?20:57
topsublet me change the title20:58
+perlDreamerhang on a sec20:58
+perlDreamerI want to flush the cache and try again20:58
+perlDreamerno difference20:59
+perlDreamerdo you have a new content menu on the demo site?20:59
topsubOnly thing i changed was this template20:59
topsuband put like "hi hi hi hi  hi" in the template21:00
+perlDreamerYeah, I saw that21:00
+perlDreamertopsub, how did you make that custom template?21:04
topsubi hit manage assets beside the password recovery21:04
topsubhit duplicate21:04
topsubthen edited and changed the name21:04
+perlDreamerhm.  I did a copy/paste from the asset manager21:06
+perlDreamerand it worked21:06
topsubwhat do you mean copy paste21:06
topsubyou copied the asset21:07
topsubpasted it back down21:07
topsuband it worked21:07
topsubah yep21:07
topsubso your not able to duplicate a template21:07
topsuband use it21:07
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+perlDreamerit seems like the profile method makes a difference too21:08
+perlDreamerI changed it to profileField from emailAddress, and i see extra text now21:08
+perlDreamerdo you?21:08
topsubOn the demo i did, i just did a copy one21:09
topsublike you suggested because i was wondering if it would work21:09
topsubso it seems duplicating the template makes it now work21:09
topsubi can change it back21:09
topsubi was just wanting to give it a try21:09
+perlDreamerI also changed the recovery method.  I think if you reset it to email address, it will still be broken.21:10
topsubooo21:10
topsubi had it on email at first21:10
topsubbrb meeting21:10
+perlDreameroh dude, you won't believe this21:12
+perlDreamerthe email recover password screen is not templatable21:12
+perlDreamerI guess it kind of makes sense, but it's very non-intuitive.21:12
+perlDreamerI can probably rebuild the form so that it has similar variables to the profile field one.21:13
+perlDreamerand there's no hoverhelp in the Authentication settings, either!21:14
+perlDreamerwell, I'll do the easy hoverhelp first, and then start on the template21:22
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topsubback21:31
topsubits not templateable?21:31
+perlDreamerno21:32
+perlDreamerand there's no hoverhelp to help clarify that21:33
+perlDreamerI'm going to spend a little bit of time seeing if I can make it templatable or not.21:33
+perlDreamerIf I can, I will.21:33
+perlDreamerif I can't I'll at least add hoverHelp21:33
+perlDreamerwhere templatable = uses exactly the same template variables as the profile field form21:34
topsubarlight21:34
+perlDreamerthanks for helping me figure that out!21:34
+perlDreamerrizen, sounds like I need to think more about it21:38
topsubno problem perlDreamer21:41
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+perlDreamerman, no wonder I'm hungry, it's noon!22:12
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8497 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: fix typos in Auth.pm POD22:13
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8498 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: merge in POD fixes from 7.5 branch22:13
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topsubnoon??? its 4pm!23:00
+perlDreamerdude, you must be hungry too23:01
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8499 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetExportHtml.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): fix broken i18n for asset export23:14
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8500 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: fix a typo in the hoverhelp i18n call23:14
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8501 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetExportHtml.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): forward porting asset export i18n and hoverhelp23:14
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8502 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: fix bad value in asset export23:14
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8503 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: fix bad value in asset export23:14
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8504 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add hoverhelp to WebGUI auth screen23:14
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+perlDreamerHaarg, are you releasing a 7.5 today?23:40
@Haargyes23:40
+perlDreamerwhen are you starting?23:40
@Haargit'll be a while23:40
+perlDreamerokay, I'm bug fixing, so please give me a ping23:40
@Haargsure thing23:40
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ecoguiHello all23:59
ecoguiI'm new here to this IRC channel23:59
@Haarggreetings23:59
+perlDreamerhowdy, ecogui23:59
@preactionhello23:59
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ecoguiI'm trying to find out some info on WebGUI's VM Appliance00:00
ecoguiI am the one that logged but 909600:00
ecoguiregarding the VM taking system memory and never returning it00:00
ecoguiand also a possible leak00:00
ecoguiI was wondering on average how long it usually takes for a bug to be assigned or accepted by a developer?00:01
+perlDreamerecogui, it depends on the bug, and which developers have time available00:02
+perlDreamerFor those with pressing needs, priority bug fixing is provided by several companies.00:02
ecoguiok thanks for the info00:04
ecoguiit is causing my server to crash00:04
ecoguiI thought it was my code at first 00:05
ecoguibut given that the issue seems to be present on WebGUI's on unmodified VM I was thinking PlainBlack might be interested in fixing it ASAP00:05
@preactionhow much memory does your VM instance have available to it?00:07
ecoguiWell my server has 4GB.00:08
ecoguiBut I'm not sure how much memory the PlainBlack VM has00:08
ecoguiI can't remember off hand00:08
ecoguiI assume enough as they are the ones who made it and are distributing it00:08
@preactionWebGUI typically takes 600-700M just idling, depending on how many mod_perl processes are running00:09
ecoguiEven so it is more that WebGUI never releases it's memory00:09
ecoguiand in fact eats up more just sitting there00:09
@preactionWebGUI uses Apache2::SizeLimit to make sure that those processes don't exceed about 90M00:09
ecoguiwith an environment like that ANY system will eventually go down00:09
ecoguiOk that's good to know I will check that out on the un-touched VM to make sure it does not exceed about 90MB00:11
@preactionright, but if that were a problem, we'd see a lot more issues with it, and we don't00:11
ecoguiI know it does for sure on my server.  Just by browsing to a few pages though (5 or 6) WebGUI racked up 60+MB of RAM usage.00:12
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8505 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): template the email password recovery form00:12
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8506 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): backporting template email password recovery fix00:12
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8507 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: document bug fix00:12
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8508 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: document bug fix00:12
ecoguiOk I will check the VM again I do apriciate the help and answers so far00:12
+perlDreamerkhenn: was the publicEmail profile field changed/removed with the new account system?00:13
@khennremoved00:13
@khennyou can set any field now00:13
@khennnot just email00:13
ecoguiIn the bug I logged I include a script that checks the system memory and the output it produced.  It does look like it eat up memory just idling (no usage) but I will have confirm that it caps at about 90MB or so.00:13
@preaction60MB per mod_perl instance is about normal00:13
@preactionactually, that's a little better than normal00:14
ecoguiyeah it went up to 71MB or so from 60 after an hour of just sitting there00:14
@preactionspectre is running, which creates usage00:14
ecoguiOk, thanks for the help.  I will test this out again (maybe overnight) to see if the memory is eventually released or capped00:15
ecoguiI will include the information in the bug I have logged00:15
@preactionthat's just how it works. there is a maximum limit, both the MaxRequestsPerChild imposed by Apache, and the Apache2::SizeLimit00:15
ecoguido you know if it ever releases this memory?  or does it just cap it at a Maximum limit?00:16
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@preactionecogui: when the process reaches the limit, it is killed (which releases the memory)00:17
SynQhi there00:17
@preactionthe same way that MaxRequestsPerChild does it00:17
SynQlong time no chat00:18
@preactionso as i was saying, Koen never comes in anymore so we can do...00:18
@preaction... HI!00:18
ecoguiOk thanks for the info so far Preaction.  I will test this out and get back to you on what I find (I will also comment it in the bug 9096).00:18
SynQcan someone help me debugging the WRE00:18
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SynQI'm getting an error when I enter a different mysql host then localhost on setup00:18
SynQhi patspam00:19
+perlDreamerSynQ: Real programmers use debian packages instead of the WRE00:19
SynQit says: Can't call method "getDatabaseHandle" on unblessed reference at ./wreconsole.pl line 1250. 00:19
SynQand line 1250 is an eval statement00:19
SynQperlDreamer: so I hear00:19
SynQbut I'd rather use the 'PlainBlack supported' configuration ;)00:20
SynQit is completely reproducable00:20
SynQbut I'd rather just fix it then file a bug00:20
SynQperlDreamer: can you tell me what that means?00:21
SynQthe 'unblessed reference'00:21
SynQin that case?00:22
+perlDreamerit tried to make an object, but got undef instead00:22
@preactionno, it got a reference, but it wasn't blessed00:22
SynQhere is the function that is used: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm?rev=762000:22
SynQthe 'getDatabaseHandle'00:23
+perlDreamerlooking at the module won't help, you need to look at where it is called00:23
SynQI am guessing that it still tries to connect to the 'default' dsn which is something like localhost00:24
SynQit is called at line 1250 of wreconsole.pl00:24
SynQof wre version 0.8.5 and current svn version00:24
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SynQhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m6929dc8800:25
SynQthe else is for 'if a mysql server on localhost is not used, but anotherone is'00:26
+perlDreamerSynQ, you need to check out the $mysql variable and see what it has inside it.00:26
SynQok00:26
SynQhow can I print the entire structure and entries in the $mysql variable easily?00:26
+perlDreameruse Data::Dumper00:27
SynQah00:27
+perlDreamerthen, warn Dumper $mysql00:27
+perlDreamerthe warn should come out on the command line if you invoke it from there00:30
+perlDreamerwhich is fairly handy for debugging00:30
SynQ$VAR1 = {           'test' => {                       'database' => 'test',                       'password' => 'test',                       'user' => 'test'                     },           'adminUser' => 'root',           'hostname' => 'host063.procolix.com',           'port' => '3306'         }; 00:31
+perlDreamerSynQ: a pastebin makes for more readable pastes :)00:31
SynQok :)00:31
SynQit's in the same pastebin I just posted00:32
SynQbut that actually looks quite ok00:32
+perlDreamerthis one: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6929dc8800:32
+perlDreamerstill looks like code with prints and $db's00:32
+perlDreamerI bet it made a new url00:33
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SynQI don't get it00:35
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SynQhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m5a0e289600:35
SynQall the value's of $mysql as well as the values in $collected seem perfectly OK to me00:36
+perlDreamerbut it's not a blessed object00:37
SynQI'm guessing that part of code has never been used by anyone before00:37
SynQhow can I bless it then?00:38
+perlDreamerit should have always been blessed00:38
+perlDreamerUsually, you need a priest and some holy water.00:38
SynQ:)00:38
SynQand kill a hamster?00:38
SynQwhy is eval used there?00:38
SynQand what does that have to do with the blessing?00:39
SynQfrom what I can remember it has to do with security and the eval statement00:39
+perlDreamerthe problem is before the eval.  It's when the $mysql object is made00:39
+perlDreamereval is used to trap errors00:39
SynQok00:39
+perlDreamerlet me get a copy, then I'll poke around with you for a bit00:40
+perlDreamerI have lots of time nowadays00:40
SynQyes please00:40
+perlDreamerI was laid-off from my old job00:41
+perlDreamerthis is inside the wreconsole script?00:41
SynQI heared you started for yourself00:41
SynQindeed00:41
SynQline 125000:41
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+perlDreameryup, there it is right there00:42
+perlDreamerrecycled a variable name00:42
SynQah00:42
+perlDreamer$mysql is originally a hash ref00:42
SynQso it is a real bug00:42
+perlDreamersee line 118300:42
+perlDreameryes00:42
+perlDreamerthen, inside one side of the if, line 1208, that variable name is reused00:43
+perlDreamerbut on the other side of the if (else), it isn't00:43
SynQah00:43
SynQI'm proud of myself00:43
SynQthat I found yet another bug00:43
+perlDreamerinsert a copy of line 1208 just before line 1250 and see how that works00:43
SynQcan you fix it?00:43
+perlDreamerI can commit it, but I can't test it00:43
+perlDreamerit would be better if you did this00:43
SynQthat is more like it00:45
SynQnow it just complains that there is no 'test' database :P00:45
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SynQit fixes it allright :)00:47
SynQnow at least that is something00:47
SynQthe test database should just exist in advance00:50
@preactionwe added the Gallery in 7.5 correct?00:52
@preactionnot 7.4?00:52
@preaction... i know i should know this since i'm the one who did it, but i'm having a day right now00:52
+perlDreameryes, in 7.500:52
@preactionthanks00:52
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WebGUIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADxkviq_WS401:14
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@HaargperlDreamer, i'm doing the release now01:44
+perlDreamerokay, I'm bugged out right now anyway01:44
+perlDreamerStill trying to diagnose one01:45
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8509 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.5.33-7.5.34.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: DataForm entry data field is too small02:06
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8510 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm times out when exporting large data sets02:06
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8511 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Session/Stow.pm: proper return value for false or nonexistant stow variables02:35
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8512 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.34 release02:35
+perlDreamerHaarg: I'm ready to do a bugfix commit once you've finished the release.02:50
@Haargok02:53
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8513 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.33-7.5.34.pl: fix upgrade messages03:05
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8514 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.34-stable: Release 7.5.34-stable03:05
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8515 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.35 dev03:05
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@Haargshould be ready perlDreamer03:09
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+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg04:07
+perlDreamerI'll test the repair script, then commit the modified upgrade04:07
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8516 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fixed a number of Matrix datatable problems.05:17
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patspamrizen: ping05:29
@rizenpong05:30
@rizenplink05:30
@rizenpingering05:30
patspamheh05:30
@rizeni think it's broken05:30
patspamif we start writing a test suite for Survey2, does the 7.6 feature freeze mean no refactoring of the Survey2 API?05:31
patspamI think we'd want to refactor some of the larger www_ methods into smaller subs05:32
@rizennope05:32
@rizenapi freeze doesn't happen until the first stable release05:33
@rizenit's just a feature freeze right now05:33
patspamawesome!05:33
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+perlDreamerpreaction, tomorrow would you be able to help me with a little more javascript?06:28
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+perlDreamerAll, I'm going to call it a night.07:05
+perlDreamerSee you tomorrow.07:06
patspamnight man!07:14
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CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8518 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 08:40
CIA-6WebGUI: Added missing groupToEditSurvey Survey table field to upgrade script08:40
CIA-6WebGUI: Reduced YUI footprint (load -min and combined js/css files where possible)08:40
CIA-6WebGUI: Updated surveyQuestion template and associated js/css to not use divs with ids that clash with wg page header and footer08:40
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CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8519 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 09:55
CIA-6WebGUI: Updated Survey Overview template to show links to reporting urls.09:55
CIA-6WebGUI: Also updated i18n to include missing labels for reporting urls.09:55
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CIA-6WebGUI: Fixed a bug where WG::User would not check whether the friends group exists or not. As a result it was not possible15:49
CIA-6WebGUI: to eg. delete such users.15:49
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@bopbopBartJol: when you mention Dutch specialty foods, by "haring", do you mean the fish?17:04
@bopbopor do you mean rabbit (hare)?17:04
@bopbopI'll assume the fish...17:07
+MrHairgreasehe means the fish17:08
+MrHairgreaseherring17:08
CIA-6WebGUI: martin * r8522 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm): Merging 852117:09
CIA-6WebGUI: martin * r8523 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: Reapplying 7.6 specific changes.17:09
BartJolbopbop yeah17:10
BartJolfish17:10
@bopbopok, just wanted to make sure17:10
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SDuensinHello at last!17:32
@rizenHello at last. Hello at last. Thank god almighty. Hello at last.17:34
@rizenErr....something like that. =)17:34
BartJolmmm, who's that rizen guy? he seems a sarcastic bastard ;)17:35
@rizenhe is17:35
@rizenboth sarcastic and a bastard17:35
* SDuensin apparently is God Almighty. Cool.17:36
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rjacobsengood morning18:17
+MrHairgreasegood evening!18:18
rjacobsenI was wondering if anyone knew an easy way to export the photographs in the old photo gallery asset to a new gallery asset which seems to be totally different without much trouble18:19
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SDuensinHey rjacobsen - No idea here.  Sorry.18:19
SDuensinHi MrHairgrease 18:19
rjacobsenwell i was using the photo gallery collaboration system template and now am using the new gallery template i designed and want to be able to simply import the new package into a website with the old photo gallery and take the images from the old gallery and paste them into the new gallery asset.... but i cannot seem to get inside the gallery asset in the admin console to paste the image assets in18:23
BartJolthere is a galleryimport script18:28
BartJoland you can also import from other assets18:28
+MrHairgreaserjacobsen, afaik you cannot just paste images in the gallery18:29
+MrHairgreasethe gallery wants Photo assets18:29
+MrHairgreasewhich is a different class as the Image assets18:29
rjacobsenok18:30
+MrHairgreasecould be wrong here btw. I haven't got to using the gallery yet18:30
rjacobsenso off to the long venture of copy and paste18:30
+MrHairgreaseas I said18:30
+MrHairgreaseI don't think you can copy and paste18:30
+MrHairgreaseyou should check out the script Bart mentioned18:30
rjacobseni mean copy the image on the web page to my desktop and reimport them in18:31
+MrHairgreaseit's in WebGUI/sbin18:31
+MrHairgreaseoh 18:31
+MrHairgreaseyeah that would work18:31
+MrHairgreasebut check the script first18:31
+MrHairgreasecopy-pasting like that is not a good thing to do on Fridays18:32
+MrHairgreaseor any other day for that matter18:32
SDuensinhehe18:32
* SDuensin wants an iPhoto->WebGUI sync tool.18:32
@preactionit's in the works, but it has been since the Gallery was designed18:33
@rizenSDuensin, how much would you pay to get it?18:35
@rizen$20, $50? $100?18:35
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8524 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: Rich editor creates root <p> tag even when set to use <br />18:35
rjacobsenanyone know where i can find the gallery import script?18:37
@preactionrjacobsen: /data/WebGUI/sbin/migrateToGallery.pl or something like that18:39
+perlDreamerrjacobsen, in WebGUI 7.6, it's in the sbin directory, /data/WebGUI/sbin.18:40
+perlDreamerThe name is a little misleading18:40
+perlDreamerIt's called galleryImport.pl18:40
+perlDreamerinstead of importGallery.pl18:40
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+perlDreamerrizen: re adding the synopsis to the meta tags, should it be added automatically, or available as a template variable?18:41
@rizenadded automatically at this point18:41
@rizenbut there is an RFE to make the head tags templatable18:41
@rizenif you want you can take care of that RFE 18:41
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@rizenbut it's a slight bit more involved18:42
+perlDreamerYeah.18:42
@rizenbe happy to explain it to you if you want to do it18:42
+perlDreamerright now I'm just trying to track down who generates the head block18:42
npinanskyI want to require/validate certain properties of an asset i am creating, which function would i use to do this, or what would be the best way to do this?18:45
npinanskylike when someone edits the asset, i want to kick them back to the edit form with an error, if te properties are invalid/blank18:45
+perlDreamernpinansky, you need to override processPropertiesFromFormPost in your new asset18:45
+perlDreameror some subroutine named very similarly to that one18:45
npinanskyok thats what i thought, is there any kind of field in the form template i can use to pass errors?18:46
+perlDreamerFor most assets, there isn't an edit form template.18:46
npinanskyyeah i meant the default18:47
npinanskythat is not a template?18:47
+perlDreamerno18:47
+perlDreamerwell, yes and no18:47
+perlDreamerthe form container is templated18:47
npinanskyI have autogenerate enabled18:47
+perlDreamerbut the form itself isn't18:47
+perlDreamersee WebGUI::Asset, getEditForm18:47
+perlDreameralso, www_edit and www_add18:47
BartJolwe have to go....18:47
BartJoldrinking18:47
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@preactionnpinansky: if you return an array reference of error messages from processPropertiesFromFormPost, they get added to the edit form. the edit form is an instance of a WebGUI::TabForm (which holds instances of WebGUI::HTMLForm)18:50
+perlDreamerthey do?18:51
+perlDreamerwow, they do!18:52
@rizenperlDreamer: WebGUI::Session::Style generates the head block18:55
+perlDreamerI got that far.18:57
+perlDreamerand it looks like I should shuck the tag into prepareView18:58
+perlDreamerand do we want all the synopses for all the elements in the page, too?19:01
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8525 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: fix a syntax warning in User.pm19:04
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8527 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: bug fixes19:04
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8528 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: style->sent check only needs to be done once. style->sent does that itself19:04
npinanskypreaction : THANK YU!19:05
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+perlDreamerIs www/extras/assetManager/assetManager.js still used, or is it superseded by the DataTable?19:15
@rizenperlDreamer, i believe it's still used by the clipboard and trash managers19:22
@rizenthose won't be updated until we have a full asset manager19:22
+perlDreamerokay, thanks :)19:22
@rizenregarding the synopsis of all the elements in the page, no19:23
@rizenjust the object that was called19:23
+perlDreamerI need to learn to commit more slowly19:23
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8529 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: backport double sent check fix in Template->process19:30
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8530 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): synopsis is now added to each page automatically. If the page is a container whose children call prepareView, their synopses are added as well19:30
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+perlDreamerbopbop: grammar fixed19:48
@bopbopthanks perldreamer!19:49
+perlDreamerI needed an easy bug to fix.19:49
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8532 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): only the synopsis from the asset that is called should be put into the meta description field20:00
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+perlDreamerrizen: there's no drag and drop interface in the trash or clipboard, right?20:14
@rizennope20:15
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8538 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): expand macros in the synopsis shown by the Search asset20:54
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8539 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backporint search asset synopsis macro expand fix20:54
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8540 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: fix POD typos in ProfileField21:19
+perlDreameris the helpdesk sending emails?22:14
nuba_rizen: around?22:15
@rizenpd only 2 mails in the queue22:16
nuba_hello there22:16
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@rizenpd: but i'll give it a kick and see what happens22:16
@rizenwhat's up nuba22:16
nubai want to finish the google maps thing22:17
@rizenseriously?22:17
@rizenyou're not just yankin my chain?22:17
nubai did patch it up so it could go in production last time22:17
nubabut its not finished in a real sense22:17
nubano, im not22:17
nubawhat happened22:17
nubawas this22:17
nubajust a sec, phone..22:18
@preaction.... THIS SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME22:30
nubastill on the phone22:34
nubasorry22:34
nubaback22:37
nubaok, sorry for keeping this chat on hold22:37
nubaso, what happened the other time22:37
nubai think i started having too many ideas22:37
nubaand got lost on how to implement them22:37
nubaand I remember one thing i wanted22:38
nubawas adding locations (latitude, longitude) to things in webgui22:38
nubaarbitrarily22:38
nubalike keywords can be added22:38
nubaand not long ago there was a post in the black blog22:39
nubain that tone22:39
@rizenare you referring to aspects?22:39
nubayes, was searching here22:40
nubathats it22:40
nubaso heres the thing22:40
nubai wanna do it, but I may need help findin my way22:41
nubamostly pointers as to where do things22:41
nubahelp with designing it22:41
nubai tried the lone wolf approach and that didnt work out really well22:41
nubain other words22:42
nubai think im asking for a mentor22:42
nubato get this done right22:42
nubaalso, to get this done period22:42
@rizendo you have anything at this point, or are you talking about starting from scratch?22:43
nubai need to review the map as it was when i left it, months ago22:43
nubabut im willing to work from scratch22:43
nubaeither way is fine22:44
@rizenis there a site where we could see it in operation "as is"22:44
@rizenand is there a repository where we could see the code "as is"22:44
nubayes, just a sec22:44
nubahttp://www.imaterial.org/banco_de_conteudo22:45
nubaand this is how its working now:22:46
nuba* a collab asset with userDef1 and 2 being used to store lat, long22:46
nuba* lat, long are provided by a location form widget22:46
nuba  one in which the user clicks in a map to set the location22:47
nuba  right click deletes the marker22:47
nuba  left click sets it, if no marker exists22:47
nuba  dragging moves it22:47
nubathe markers are then retrieved from the collab asset by RSS22:48
nubain a custom RSS template22:48
@rizenyou can stop there22:48
nubak22:48
@rizenusing the CS is not something that can go into webgui22:48
nubaim just saying how this was hacked together22:48
nubai know its not right22:49
nubaits ugly22:49
@rizen1) people need to be able to use the the map asset independent of everything else22:49
nubais a hack22:49
nubayes22:49
nubacan i finish, theres only one line missing22:49
@rizenok go ahead22:49
nuba* theres a map asset, which is used to store map dimensions (width, height), gmaps sitekey, center, zoom level, and it happens to have a field for URLs of RSS feeds22:50
nubaand thats it, end of story22:50
nubai suppose now you have a good grasp of how its done22:50
nubaand I dont like it, otherwise I wouldnt be here now22:51
nubaalso22:51
nubaI started reading and reading about google map features22:51
nubaand reading and reading22:51
nubaand adding features22:51
nubaand changing design ideas22:51
nubaand it died of feature creeping without even getting done22:52
nubaalso22:52
nubai dont want to do this map-neutral, i'd like to do it gmaps now only22:52
@rizenthat's why i wrote you a specification document with a limited scope22:52
nubaand get it done22:52
nubaand if theres demand, maybe write it mapping-provider-neutral afterwards22:52
nubabut first, make it a rocking asset with gmaps22:53
nubayeah, well, you were right22:53
nubaand I was wrong22:53
nubagot carried away22:53
nubaand then other things got in my plate22:53
nubaetc.22:53
@rizenit's not about who was right or wrong22:55
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nubawell, its not about it, but it adds flavor22:55
@rizeni fall into the trap of biting off too much all the time22:55
@rizen"big bang" / revolutionary approaches to software development rarely work22:55
Lisettehello how to call the property of image of a product, by asset??????22:55
@rizenyou need to build something small, and then evolve it22:55
nubai realize that now22:56
@rizeni'd like to see you try to build the locator using the spec doc i gave you 22:56
@rizenwhether that means massaging what you have or building from scratch isn't really that important22:56
nubathere was a problem with that one, right at the start22:57
nubayou wanted the user to click in a map22:57
nubaand being presented with a ballon22:57
nubawith a form inside it22:57
nubaso the user would fill the form and post it22:57
@rizenno22:57
nubathe form was too big22:57
@rizenit doesn't need to be a balloon22:58
@rizenthe spec says "pop up"22:58
@rizenwhat i meant there was a YUI dialog22:58
@rizeni specifically said "balloon" in the places where i thought a balloon was the right way to go22:58
nubaoh well. i worked on doing it inside a gmaps ballon, calling the edit form inside it and things got messy and out of hand22:58
nubabut yeah i see what you mean22:59
@rizenanyway...specs aren't necessarily a literal interpretation. you want to get as close to the spec as possible.23:00
Lisetteimage1???23:00
nubawhat should I look in the existing webgui code, for reference?23:00
@rizenbut not all things are possible23:00
@rizenfor reference on how to do a YUI dialog box?23:00
nubaI remember also seeing lots of different things being done in different assets23:00
nubaand that was confusing23:00
nubarephrasing that, similar things being done very differently23:01
@rizenof course they were23:02
nubai guess things like like posting a yui form to the asset23:02
nubai dont really remember now23:02
nubabut thats also where I started getting lost23:02
@rizendifferent people wrote them at different times in webgui's long history23:02
nubai know, it makes sense, but I wasnt smart enough or patient enough to ask here for help by then23:03
nubaalso I think I underestimated the amount of thing one can ask here23:03
@rizeni think it takes experience to come to those realizations. you can't teach that.23:04
@rizenso now you've done it once...and you're better for it23:05
nubait took a lot of backlog reading and lurking for that last one23:05
nubapeople here are a lot more willing to look into each other's prototypes and problems than I thought they'd be23:06
nubathats a great thing23:06
nubaand thats also one of the reasons Im willing to work on this again23:07
nubarizen: can you please send me the spec again?23:09
nubato nuba@fastmail.fm23:09
@rizendoing it now23:10
nubathx23:10
@preactionnuba: how long do you think this will take?23:10
@preactionand how much help do you think you'll need?23:10
@rizenand how long did the last itteration take?23:11
nubai have more time available now, and less things to do23:11
nubaso its a different scenario23:12
nubaim looking guesstimating few weeks23:12
nubawill like to have help with planning the code23:12
nubawould like*23:12
nubawill certainly need to learn yui from scratch23:13
nubaand I can read and make sense of most javascript, but never seriously coded on it23:13
@preactioni've been looking over the maps API, and it seems you can use that for just about everything23:13
nubait took me a month to get this hack in that URL above done, but I was doing a lot of things and this was like a side project23:14
nubabe careful with the maps API23:15
nubayou can get excited all too easily23:15
nubai was not only reading it, but keeping up to date with the new features on the gmaps' blog and discussion groups23:16
nubathat and custom hacks and neaty things people do with undocumented features23:16
nubayou can do a lot23:16
nubaits exciting, and interesting23:16
nubathen it bites back and starts to feel overwhelming23:17
@rizeni personally like yahoo maps better than google maps...but i've never done anything with their API23:19
@rizenas far as this goes though i don't care what mapping engine is used to make it work23:19
@rizeni think preaction and i are both willing to help you toward success on this23:20
nubaI hoped so, thanks for it23:21
nubai think the 'whats next' here points to me working on your spec, then23:23
nubabut you didnt tell me what asset should I use for reference23:23
nubaor assets23:23
@rizenreference of what?23:23
@rizenstart with the Wobject code skeleton23:23
nubafor yui interface, posting back to webgui, updating with data from the asset without reloading the page23:24
@rizeni guess Thingy23:24
nubai think the right wording is 'how to work the ajax magik out' with webgui23:24
nubaokay23:25
@rizenbut really you'll probably get lost in there23:25
@preactioni'm not sure how much ajax magic you'll really need23:25
@rizencuz it's big23:25
@rizenyou're probably better off just looking at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui23:25
nubawhat about this23:25
@rizenfor how to create a dialog box23:25
@rizenand then you post that back to a standard asset www_ method23:25
nubai'll write a code skeleton23:25
nubaand draw some diagrams in visio, if needed23:26
@rizenbut you're getting bogged down in details that are irrelevant23:26
nubaand get back to you?23:26
@rizensure23:26
nubaawesome23:26
@rizeni think your first step is to design the database tables you'll need23:26
@rizenthere will be 223:26
@rizenone is you Locator table23:26
@rizenwith it's asset properties23:26
@rizenthe other is the table that will store all of the locations23:26
nubaLocatorMarker23:27
@rizenultimately those locations will be WebGUI::Crud objects23:27
@rizenLocatorMarker can be a subclass of WebGUI::Crud23:27
nubak23:28
@rizenoverall though, i'd figure out how to make it work23:29
@rizenbefore you worry about making it work with ajax23:29
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nubado we have UML diagrams for WebGUI available, somewhere?23:44
@rizenno23:44
nubaany specific reason for not having them?23:45
nubabesides the ever changing codebase...23:45
@rizeni personally find them completely useless23:46
@rizeni know they aren't23:46
@rizenbut since i'm the one that would have to keep them up to date, that's the reason they haven't been created23:46
nubaok23:49
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Lisettehow to do put an image for a product by the code, i mean by an asset00:04
Lisette???00:07
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+perlDreamerLisette, you want to create a product with an image, and do to that in code?00:09
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+perlDreamerif so, you can find an example of how to do that in this file:00:14
+perlDreamerhttp://www.leier.hu/home/hirek00:14
+perlDreamer/t/Asset/Sku/Product.t00:14
+perlDreamerthe file, not the link00:14
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+perlDreamerrizen: mysterious CS behavior is usually db corruption?00:18
@rizenit is?00:18
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/webgui-7_4_40---next/previous-url-button-doesnt-work-well-in-collaboration-system/500:19
+perlDreamerso either we fixed it by accident or it was fixed in 7.500:19
+perlDreameror the db is corrupt00:19
+perlDreameror Richard Stallman has cursed his site00:19
@rizenhow from reading that forum post do you come to the conclusion of a corrupt database?00:21
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nubawhoa, i want perlDreamer helping me with the maps asset too. having a psychic in the team would be awesome00:22
nubacan i keep him? :D00:22
+perlDreamerI did _more_ than reading the post00:22
+perlDreamerI built a CS in 7.5 and filled it with posts with hyphens and spaces (converted by wG into hyphens)00:23
+perlDreamernext and previous always work00:23
+perlDreamerno looping, no skipping00:23
@rizeni agree with that statement00:23
@rizenthe premise on which he was posting is luancy00:23
@rizenlunacy 00:23
+perlDreamerbetter lunacy than truancy00:23
+perlDreamerthe actual URL of the post doesn't even figure into the calculation for next/previous thread00:24
@rizenis there a bug report or are you just roaming the forums looking for a bug to fix?00:24
@rizenexactly00:24
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/collaboration-system-next/previous-thread-link-not-working-sometimes00:24
+perlDreamerIt's just a link to the thread00:24
+perlDreameron the forums00:25
@rizenclose with "can't reproduce"00:25
@rizenit could be that he needs to rebuild his lineage00:25
@rizenbut it's more likely that he's just doing something else wrong (user error)00:26
@rizeni haven't seen a lineage corruption problem since 6.8 or 7.0 (somewhere in there)00:26
@rizenat least not one caused by webgui...i've created a few myself. =)00:26
+perlDreamerokay, moving on to the next bug00:34
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/using-3-consecutive-tildes-in-a-post-title-makes-a-bad-url/post00:37
+perlDreamer~~~ is the marker that several assets use for splitting up the head from the body.00:37
+perlDreamerAny problems if I make it longer and less likely?00:37
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8541 /experimental/Automat/ (3 files in 3 dirs): automat phase 2.1 complete00:38
@preactionperlDreamer: i'd say go: ~~~assetId~~~00:38
@preactionor something equally improbable00:38
+perlDreamerthat's pretty unique.  I was thinking of ~~!!~~!!~!~!00:38
@preactioni say put the assetId in there, there's no chance in hell of that causing problems00:39
+perlDreamertrue :)00:39
@preactionit's like the MIME multipart formats00:39
@preactionthey use UUIDs00:39
@rizenwhat preaction said00:39
@Haargi may have a partial patch for that00:39
+perlDreamerI was hoping you might say that Haarg, since pb.com is immune to that bug right now00:39
+perlDreamerDo you want to commit and let me extend it to the other assets?00:40
@Haargi was generating guids though, not using assetId or something similar00:40
@Haarglet me see what state it is in00:40
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@Haargis there a pastebin that doesn't mess up patches?00:48
apeiron_Haarg, Tried sial.org/pbot ?00:49
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+perlDreameryou want to zip it and email it to me?00:49
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@Haargsent00:53
@Haargit looks like i was restructuring parts of the main pagelayout loop as well00:53
+perlDreameryeah, I just came across that00:54
+perlDreamerwhat do you think about using a method instead of manually constructing the string everywhere?00:56
+perlDreamerthat way, we'd never have to do this again, and only need to change the string in 1 place?00:56
@Haargmaybe, if you can figure a way to abstract the layout separators the same as the others00:56
+perlDreamerI think I can do that00:56
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+perlDreamerokay, my fix is in 854301:06
+perlDreamerexactly like what Graham did, but I used the assetId and made it a method so we can change it everywhere easily01:07
@Haargi didn't really like the asset id since that is predictable, so it would be possible to break a page if you were malicious01:15
@Haargwell, theoretically you could anyway.  not certain of an actual case of that.01:16
@preactionwell, now that it's one method, should be easy enough to fix if someone with privileges to read the assetId does something stupid like that01:20
@Haargwell, the cs for example outputs the assets of the posts as part of the links01:21
@Haarg*assetids01:21
@Haargi should try to figure out what i was doing with that pagelayout stuff01:25
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8544 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 7 dirs): forward porting fix for non-unique separator strings, ~~~, #854301:34
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Mech422grr - building wre/webgui from source on x86_64 results in a 'requires -fPIC' error that I forgot how I fixed last time02:08
apeironTried putting CFLAGS="-fPIC" in your environment?02:09
Mech422apeiron: actually - I thought I posted a diff to the ubuntu patch to get it working on Debian x86_64...02:10
Mech422rizen: Did I show you the diff ?02:11
apeironIf you know which package is dying due to being on 64bit, you can take a look at how different vendors build that package on 64bit and steal from them.02:11
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Mech422apeiron: mod_perl wants -fpic in the make02:13
Mech422apeiron: but I thought there were some other things that broke as well02:13
apeironMech422, Shouldn't be too hard to do that. Just export CFLAGS="-fPIC" should do it.02:13
Mech422ahh well - I'll just try with CFLAGS=... err..ya - what you said02:14
apeironBut again, look how different vendors do it.02:14
apeironThey may have a less klugish solution.02:14
Mech422Found it02:18
Mech422I'm pretty sure the changes got added to build.sh in TRUNK already02:20
apeirontias, then?02:20
Mech422trying it now with my patched build.sh02:23
@Haargok, i have my restructured page layout stuff working.  i suppose i should benchmark it in some way.02:24
apeironJust a touch.02:26
apeironDevel::NYTProf all the way.02:26
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+perlDreameryay, one less bug.02:48
+perlDreamerFinally!02:48
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8545 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): make the Thread use the ThreadApprovalWorkflow from the CS02:51
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8546 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): forward port thread approval workflow into thread02:51
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8548 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fixing more Matrix problems06:17
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+perlDreamerpatspam: ping07:29
patspampong07:30
+perlDreamerhow do I test the result of your patch to this bug:Slider JS bug for non-numeric values  (#8827)07:30
patspamum... wait I'll go reproduce it07:31
patspamhttp://demo.webgui.org/demo1227331719_666/home/untitled?func=editThingData;thingId=dRgTVaGIKciR34dpGekDhw;thingDataId=new07:34
patspamnotice how the slider and the combo don't update each other on change07:34
+perlDreamerI hate Thingy07:34
patspamheh07:34
patspamone day everything in webgui will be implemented with thingy07:35
+perlDreamerI'll switch to PHP07:36
patspamgosh, you must *really* hate thingy =p07:36
+perlDreamerI wasn't really fond of SQLForm either07:36
+perlDreamerin any case...07:37
+perlDreamerI'll test the patch by exporting the Thingy and patching my dev instance07:37
patspamyeah, all i did was add a default thingy, then add a single field of type "Select Slider"07:39
patspamwith possible values "a\n b\n c\n"07:40
patspamthe bug only manifests when possible values are strings not numbers07:40
patspambecause they don't get quoted in the generated JS07:41
+perlDreamerpatch is good :) I need to learn more JS07:45
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8549 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Slider.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): allow the slider to handle non-numeric values07:55
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+perlDreamerHaarg: Lurking about?08:09
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8551 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): make the send user invite template accessible to be changed09:10
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elninohi. I'm trying to add a font size list to the tinymce.. Am I to understand that I need to modify Asset/RichEdit.pm to add buttons?09:13
+Radix_err09:33
+Radix_all you need to do to add font size list is edit your default editor template09:34
+Radix_font list size is a standard tinymce button from memory09:34
elninoRadix - thanks. Let me look. I was just about to give up and go to bed...09:39
elninoI didn't realize it was a template - that is so "webgui" I shold have thought of that. Thanks PERFECT!09:40
elninoGot it working!09:40
elninogood night.09:46
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8554 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward port subscription group display fix03:00
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8556 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns/ (MANIFEST Makefile.PL Changes lib/DNS/WorldWideDns.pm README): ready to release22:40
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8557 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (8 files in 3 dirs): add captcha template code to all core Post templates01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8558 /WebGUI/docs/ (7 files in 2 dirs): forward porting post captcha template updates01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8559 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updating Matrix internationalization and help01:55
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+perlDreamerHas anyone else had problems with WebGUI's captchas?02:07
+perlDreamerIt's like all of a sudden they got clipped.02:07
+perlDreamerand you can't see all of the leftmost and rightmost letters02:09
+perlDreameris it supposed to do that?02:11
+perlDreamerBueller?02:12
@Haargthe font changed02:14
@Haargso maybe we need to adjust the drawing parameters02:15
+perlDreamer20 pixels more works well02:15
CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8560 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm: updating Matrix internationalization and help02:23
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8561 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added timelimit option to Survey02:23
+perlDreamerHaarg: Have you done anything magical with SVN?02:24
@Haargnot that i can think of02:24
+perlDreamerIt's putting merged changelog notices in the right place all the time02:24
+perlDreamereven if it's on a different line02:24
@Haargi'm trying to figure out if there's a good way to throw definitions into stow02:39
@Haargand i have a way it works, except for if the user on a session is changed02:39
+perlDreameryou want to use stow for caching to speed it up?02:42
@Haargyeah02:42
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+perlDreameris the hangup with users the language they use?02:43
@Haargyeah02:43
+perlDreamercan you subcache by language type?02:43
@Haarghmm02:43
@Haargpossibly02:43
+perlDreamerone other idea might be if instead of doing i18n lookups immediately, if they were deferred until time of usage.02:44
@Haargthat is my plan at some point02:44
@Haargbut that's a much larger change02:44
+perlDreameryeah02:44
@rizena watch with no hands02:50
+perlDreamerrizen : Why are you quoting old 80's rock ballads?02:50
@rizeni'm not02:50
@rizenit's a riddle02:51
+perlDreamerit keeps not time02:51
@rizenbtw, pd i have moved the franchise out of webgui02:51
@rizeni published a new cpan module today02:51
+perlDreamerI saw that02:51
@rizenand in the tests i referred to andy02:51
+perlDreamerit's time for his fame to spread02:52
@rizenindeed02:52
+perlDreamerI keep finding new bugs to fix as a I fix posted bugs02:52
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8562 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Storage/Image.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): widen captcha due to fat font changes02:52
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8563 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage/Image.pm): forward port captcha width changes for the new, fat font02:52
+perlDreamerlike that one02:52
@rizena watch with no hands = until the end of time = a life sentence in prison02:52
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@rizenthat's good pd03:00
@rizenfixed bugs are always good03:01
+perlDreameryes, but it makes the shrinking of the list slow down, too03:06
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8564 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): when deploying an asset from the asset manager, go back to it03:19
@Haargugh.  i have a bunch of small changes to check in, but i can't easily test them.03:21
@Haargguess i'll have to fix the tests first03:21
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+perlDreamerHaarg, if you want a hand I'd be happy to help out.03:32
@Haargi have some test fixes i should check in, but if you want to help i'd welcome it03:32
@rizenhttp://www.roscoeschickenandwaffles.com/03:32
@Haargthere are lots of tests failing right now03:32
+perlDreameris this in 7.6?03:33
@Haargyeah03:33
+perlDreamerWell, let's make a list and divide them up.03:33
+perlDreameroh, and I still owe you a test fix, Haarg, for a test specific set of assets for AssetExportHtml03:34
@Haargwell, i don't think i ever figured out what was causing the syntax tests to fail on some machines03:34
+perlDreamerI think we can safely ignore the failing Account tests for now03:36
@Haargyeah03:36
@Haargi just committed some test/pod/syntax warning fixes03:37
@Haargi'm going to start with the syntax check failures03:38
+perlDreamerI'm running the suite, except for the CODE_COP tests.03:38
+perlDreamerI'll paste the output03:38
@Haargsounds good03:39
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8565 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): cleaning up warnings/variable redefinition and pod03:41
+perlDreamerHaarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2fc7eed803:43
+perlDreamerthats before getting your fixes03:43
@HaargSyndicatedContent should be fixed03:44
+perlDreamerwhich fix the Paginator test03:44
@Haargand some of they do?03:44
@Haargerr03:44
+perlDreameruh, yeah.  I meant SyndicatedContent03:44
@Haargand some of PodChecker and syntaxCheck03:44
@Haargah, ok03:45
+perlDreamerI'll check the paginator test03:45
@Haargok03:45
@HaargsyntaxCheck passes now03:51
@Haargi'll look at User03:52
+perlDreamerfamily time, be back in two hours03:56
+perlDreamerI almost have Pagination test updated for the new template variable.03:57
@Haargcool, thanks03:57
+perlDreamerand it needs Help and i18n, too03:57
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8566 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Matrix.pm Inbox.pm): fix more syntax warnings04:08
+perlDreamerPaginator tests fixed, missing template variables added.04:25
@HaargUser, PodChecker, Whitespace fixed04:29
@Haarglooking at AssetPackage.t04:29
+perlDreamerfixed04:30
+perlDreamerand committed04:30
+perlDreamerI changed the return value when I was fixing a bug.04:31
+perlDreamerAt one point I was checking the return values of everything, even if it doesn't make sense04:31
+perlDreamerHaarg: Have you committed everything on your end?04:31
+perlDreamerIf so, I'll update and rerun the suite04:31
@Haargyeah04:31
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8567 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting fix for returning to the asset manager after deploying a package.04:33
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8568 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Document the newly added pagination template variable. Update the tests to look for it and test it04:33
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8569 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 5 dirs): fixing POD issues, User test04:33
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8570 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetPackage.t: do not test return value of www_deployPackage04:33
patspamyikes, tracked down a segfault to WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create(..)->start04:34
+perlDreamerouch04:34
+perlDreamerwhere's that at?04:34
+perlDreamerand when did I write it? :(04:34
patspamheh04:34
patspamworkflow is being called by flux, so I'm still checking whether it's my fault04:34
+perlDreamerHaarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7cb80f9904:38
+perlDreamerShop/tableCheck needs to be ignored, it's some prototype test I never finished04:39
+perlDreamerFetchMimeType fails based on which version is installed.04:39
+perlDreamerIf it passes for you on the WRE, then we should pass that too04:39
+perlDreamerI'll have a go at mandatoryTemplateVariables next04:40
@Haargi'm looking at session/style04:41
+perlDreamermandatory template vars is fixed04:42
@Haargsession/style should be fixed, forgot to port a fix from 7.504:43
@Haargafter the stow changes04:43
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+perlDreamerAddressBook is fixed04:43
@Haargfor FetchMimeType, it fails based on the version of what?04:44
@HaargAsset/Template/HTMLTemplateExpr.t passes here04:45
+perlDreamerIt's fixed on my end.04:48
+perlDreamerI don't have that module installed, and the test failed badly04:48
+perlDreamerFetchMimeType depends on LWP::MediaType04:48
@Haargah04:49
+perlDreamerDoes it pass on your WRE box?04:49
@Haargyes04:50
+perlDreamerokay, let's call that good,  too04:50
+perlDreamerI'm looking at Operation::Auth04:51
@Haargthat's due to the Account changes04:51
+perlDreameryeah04:51
+perlDreamerfixed and committed04:52
@Haarghelp fails due to Survey, Matrix, and probably account04:53
@Haargi'm inclined to let the Survey and Matrix stuff slide for now04:53
+perlDreamerThere's some Shop stuff04:53
+perlDreamerI'll fix them04:53
+perlDreamerbut I agree about the others04:53
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8571 /WebGUI/t/mandatory_template_vars.t: remove old profile template variable checks due to Account04:59
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8572 /WebGUI/t/Shop/AddressBook.t: update AddressBook test for new object property04:59
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8573 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Template/HTMLTemplateExpr.t: fix SKIP issues in HTMLTemplateExpr test04:59
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8574 /WebGUI/t/Operation/Auth.t: remove old account tests from Operation/Auth04:59
+perlDreamerall remaining template variables are Survey or Matrix05:00
+perlDreamerwhich makes me wonder about the Account changes05:00
+perlDreamerthat just leaves AssetExportHtml and the others that we waived05:01
@perlmonkey2Survey now does timeout.  05:05
@perlmonkey2But only at the Survey level.  And it doens't do progress bars yet.  Working on that.05:05
@Haargthe tests that are failing with survey are the help tests05:06
@perlmonkey2okay05:06
+perlDreamerif I file a ticket about missing Help, then I'd have to fix it...05:08
+perlDreamertomorrow, to fix a bug or two, I could use some JS tutelage.05:11
+perlDreamerAnyone willing to teach?05:11
@perlmonkey2teach you what?05:13
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: what are you looking for?05:14
+perlDreamerI think I know how to build a menu for this bug05:14
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/more-menu-doesnt-appear-for-current-asset-on-crumb-trail05:14
+perlDreamerbut I don't know how to tie it to the callback on the link05:15
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+perlDreamerI have been slowly learning JS, a little YUI and how to use Firebug05:15
@perlmonkey2you can look at the Survey's comm objects05:17
@perlmonkey2YUI makes it trivial to add and use the hooks.05:17
+perlDreamerare they in templates or in code somewhere?05:17
@perlmonkey2code05:17
@perlmonkey2www/extras/wobject/Survey05:17
+perlDreamerthanks for the tip!05:17
@perlmonkey2sure05:18
* perlDreamer invokes daddy mode. Be back in 6005:18
@perlmonkey2if you have any questions, don't hesitate05:18
dreamersgirlperlDreamer says "thanks"05:18
dreamersgirl:)05:18
@perlmonkey2:)05:19
@perlmonkey2hello dreamersgirl 05:19
dreamersgirlhi05:19
@perlmonkey2patspam: any ideas on how the progress bar should look?  An actual bar, or a count of so many completed.  A percentage?05:22
patspami think just a simple message would be fine05:23
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8575 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Stow.pm: make stow return false values correctly05:23
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8576 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Shop.pm: document new Shop POS template variables05:23
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8577 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Added Survey time limit code. This is only at the survey level and sends the user to the survey end settings. Probably need to allow for a special timeout message.05:23
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8578 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): guarantee that authMethod always returns something valid, even for users not created correctly05:23
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8579 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): backporting default authMethod value05:23
patspamor if you put the # complete and total into template vars people can create fancy progress indicators in js05:23
@perlmonkey2patspam: good idea.  Just add in completed and total into the template vars and come up with a decent default.  Then, as you say, people can do as they please.05:24
patspamsatyam has created some yui ones here: http://www.satyam.com.ar/yui/2.5.0/progressbar05:26
patspamyeah should be trivial to drop them in once you add the template vars05:26
@perlmonkey2sharp05:27
patspamok i think I've got this segfault figured out05:42
patspammy workflow indirectly causes itself to be triggered05:42
patspamif it's in parallel mode, you get a segfault05:43
patspamif it's in serial mode, you're ok05:43
@perlmonkey2doh05:49
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@Haargthanks for the help with the tests perlDreamer06:01
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dreamersgirlperlDreamer says if his fingers weren't in somebody's mouth flossing teeth, he's say "you're welcome"06:07
dreamersgirl:)06:07
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8580 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/DateTime.pm: small speed improvements to WebGUI::Session::DateTime06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8581 /WebGUI/lib/ (8 files in 6 dirs): cleaning up some imports06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8582 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: speed up i18n calls06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8583 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: make WebGUI::SQL a little faster06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8584 /WebGUI/ (206 files in 40 dirs): modules, tests, etc shouldn't be set as executable06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8585 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ (Setting.pm Scratch.pm): speed up scratch and settings, since they don't need to be ordered06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8586 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm): fixed #9130: fixed: Rich editor creates root <p> tag even when set to use <br />06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8587 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm times out when exporting large data sets06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8588 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl): fixed: DataForm entry data field is too small06:17
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8589 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: clean up upgrade script06:17
+perlDreamerHaarg: Did you benchmark the i18n speedups?06:24
@Haargnot as an actual benchmark, but i did compare before/after with NYTProf06:25
@Haargthe calls to Pluggable were taking a lot of the time, and they should almost never be even needed06:25
+perlDreamercool.  We had tried some i18n caching, but doing the blind eval was faster than a hash lookup.06:26
@Haargi'd like to get rid of ixhash from other areas where it isn't needed06:27
@Haarglike i did from settings and session scratch06:27
@Haargi still have my page layout changes to benchmark though06:29
+perlDreamerwow!06:29
+perlDreamerI never knew that epoch's didn't need a timezone06:29
+perlDreamerI guess they're all UTC06:29
@Haargyeah, time() is utc06:30
+perlDreamersometimes I think Frank loves breaking my i18n tests06:32
@Haargheh06:32
@Haargi think he loves breaking all the tests06:32
+perlDreameryeah, I shouldn't accuse him of discrimination06:32
+perlDreamercheck this one out:06:33
+perlDreamer^International(<tmpl_if isReply>reply message label<tmpl_else>compose message label</tmpl_if>,Account_Inbox);06:33
@Haargheh06:33
@Haargtesting the default content, my layout changes are 15%-33% faster06:42
+perlDreamersweet!06:42
@Haargthe code makes more sense too i would say06:43
@Haargnot i just have to adjust it to use the getSplitter method06:47
@Haarg*now06:47
+perlDreamerHaarg: Could you move this into an rfe, please: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/908307:06
@Haargsure07:08
+perlDreamerthanks07:09
+perlDreameralso, I was looking at this bug: WRE Conf has wrong version  (#8901)07:09
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/890107:09
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8590 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): do not show edit tab in the wiki page unless you can edit it07:09
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8591 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backport wiki page edit tab fix07:09
+perlDreamerI can fix the file, but I can't rebuild all the packages (tarballs, zipfiles, etc.)07:10
+perlDreameris 0.8.6 in the works?07:10
+perlDreamershould I worry about that kind of stuff?07:10
@Haargnot yet07:10
@Haargdon't worry about it07:10
+perlDreamerokay, I'll just fix the file and then close the ticket.07:10
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CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8594 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Flux/Rule.pm: Rule.pm triggers workflow instances with the skipRealtime as a (hopefully temporary) workaround to the mysterious Workflow segfault bug.12:42
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juani have a strange problem with spectre15:55
BartJo1and that is?15:55
juanhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m7fb381e515:56
juani don't know what is happening?15:57
BartJo1is the domainname included in /etc/hosts?15:57
BartJo1is the webgui port altered?15:58
juanyes15:58
juanthe domainname is included in /etc/hosts15:58
BartJo1and you didn't change ports?15:59
juanno15:59
BartJo1hwat version?15:59
juanthe server was restarted and after that appears the problem16:00
juan7.4.4016:01
juananother error that i have is the nextg16:02
juanPOE::Component::IKC::Server 1015: encountered bind error 99: Cannot assign requested address16:02
BartJo1just check out this link: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/spectre-connection-refused16:04
BartJo1it's not a ready made solution, but every info helps16:04
juanok, i am going to check16:05
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SDuensinMorning.16:50
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: Gouda morning.16:53
SDuensinCheese off.  :-P16:53
* SDuensin hasn't had all his coffee yet.16:54
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+MrHairgreasetalk about cheesy humor...17:04
Bernd_Morning!17:05
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8595 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: putting this in real quick before someone else changes it. Just updating the db for options to show timelimit and progress bars17:27
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8596 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): made it more obvious how to check out17:27
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8597 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: fixed typo17:27
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8598 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Survey now has fully functioning time limits, can show limits to users, and can show progress17:27
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+perlDreameryo, guys!18:19
SDuensinyo, uh, you!18:19
* MrHairgrease says hoho18:19
+MrHairgreaseis everybody in the house?18:20
* SDuensin be in da house18:20
+perlDreamerNope, everyone is gone18:20
+perlDreamerOnly perlDeamers18:20
+MrHairgreasecrap18:20
+MrHairgreasejust my luck =)18:20
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@Haargany last minute checkins perlDreamer?  going a release early this week.18:29
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm about 15 minutes away from a bugfix, but it can easily wait18:29
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+perlDreameryour call18:30
@Haargwhat bug?18:30
+perlDreamerUpdating a workflow property causes workflow to be disabled  (#9139)18:30
+perlDreamerthe enabled bit is not sticky18:30
+perlDreamerworks fine from the UI, but not from a code interface18:30
@Haargwell, i have one quick thing to fix, so you may have time18:31
* SDuensin hates when he has sticky bits18:32
+perlDreamerHaarg, 7.6 is checked in, now backporting to 7.518:36
+perlDreamerI should be clear18:36
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Lisettehow to get the storageid from a macro of an archive that upload from a dataform????18:39
+perlDreamerbopbop, for your product image bug 19:01
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/876519:01
+perlDreamerare you viewing the product as part of a shelf19:01
+perlDreameron a page19:01
+perlDreameror standalone?19:01
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Lisetteanyone knows?19:08
@Haargi'm not clear on the question19:08
@Haargyou want the storage id of a file that was uploaded to a dataform19:08
@Haargnot sure how the macro fits into it19:09
+perlDreamerI think she wants to get that from a macro.19:09
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8599 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Adding Matrix templates, updating Matrix international19:11
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8600 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/ProjectManager/projectDisplay.js: fixed an issue which was causing the project management system to not recognize December as a valid month19:11
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8601 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm: restructured page layout prepareView, view19:11
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8602 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.4/ (WikiPageTmpl0000000001.tmpl default-wiki-page.wgpkg): use correct format for template update19:11
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8603 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: buildArray, buildArrayRef should only use the first column of results19:11
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8604 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Workflow.t lib/WebGUI/Workflow.pm): make mode and enabled sticky in the Workflow19:11
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8605 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns/ (Makefile.PL Changes lib/DNS/WorldWideDns.pm): some small fixes19:12
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8606 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Workflow.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Workflow.t): backporting lack of workflow property stickiness fix19:12
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8607 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm: use correct comparison for cutting off layout position list19:12
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8608 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.4 release19:12
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+perlDreamerHaarg, a bug was fixed but not documented in the changelog for 7.6.419:22
+perlDreameris it possible to slip that in?19:22
@Haargyeah19:22
+perlDreamerin, thanks :)19:23
+perlDreamerp.s. if you see Frank, please tell him I backported his PM bug fix to the 7.5 branch19:24
juancan  i update from 7.4.40 to 7.5.34 directly?19:28
+perlDreamerjuan, look inside the docs/gotchas.txt file in the 7.5.34 version of WebGUI, and it will tell you.19:28
+perlDreameras far as I can remember, you can19:28
juanok19:29
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8609 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Documented bug that was fixed in the PM.19:41
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8610 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backport month 12 bug fix in the PM19:41
+perlDreamerrizen: having combo box woes.  The custom part of the combo box does not work in the user profile or in the thingy.  Do I modify it to take a callback to update that custom part in the user of the combo box, or say that it is not dynamic compatible?19:43
@rizen"the custom part"?19:43
+perlDreamerwhere the user can enter an option that's not in the existing list19:43
@rizencombo boxes have been working for years, so what is the problem?19:43
@rizenyeah, so?19:44
+perlDreamerthey are not dynamic compatible19:44
@rizenwhy?19:44
+perlDreamerI set up a profile field with a combo box19:44
+perlDreamerthen I enter some new value that is not in the dropdown part of the combo box19:44
+perlDreamerhit save19:44
+perlDreamerthen look at my profile19:44
+perlDreamerthe value is not saved, and it does not appear in the combo box19:45
@rizenphone19:45
+perlDreamerk19:45
@rizenok back19:46
@rizenthat sounds to me like the user profiling system isn't calling the appropriate method to get the value19:46
@rizeni can see how it wouldn't show the value in the list in the user profile field19:47
@rizenbut the thingy should absolutely show the value in the list19:47
@rizenoh...nevermind..i remember how he's populating it19:48
@rizenit won't show 19:48
@rizenso yeah, you're right19:48
@rizenmake it not dynamic compatible19:48
+perlDreamerThanks, man :)19:48
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LisetteI like to get the storage from a macro made an upload from a dataform?20:03
@Haargcan you describe better what you are actually trying to do?20:04
@Haargi don't understand what you are asking for20:04
Lisettei have a dataform with a upload20:05
Lisettetype file20:05
Lisettei need asociate this file like an image of a product, but i need the storageId from this file for to do20:06
Lisetteyou understand me???20:06
@Haarg"i need asociate this file like an image of a product"  i don't quite understand this20:09
@bopbopperlDreamer: sorry I missed your question earlier20:10
@bopbopI'm back20:10
@bopbopI was viewing a Product asset that was placed directly on a page layout20:10
@bopbopit looks fine now20:12
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Lisett1sorry i have an error with my connection20:14
Lisett1Haarg you understand me?20:14
@Haarg<Haarg> "i need asociate this file like an image of a product"  i don't quite understand this20:14
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@preactionthere's a macro in the 7.6 series called "StorageUrl", perhaps that is what Lisett1 wants?20:15
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Lisett1how to view this macro, i have the 7.5 version20:17
@preactionLisett1: it's in SVN. http://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/StorageUrl.pm20:18
Lisett1thank20:21
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8611 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added some Matrix international, fixed some bugs20:39
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+perlDreamersorry about that, Haarg20:44
@Haargabout what?20:44
+perlDreamerthe template instead of a package20:44
+perlDreamerWikiPageTmpl....20:44
@Haargah20:44
@Haargyeah, no big deal20:44
@Haargat some point i want to make it easy to edit templates on the file system20:45
+perlDreamerhave you tried the templateFiler script I made?20:45
+perlDreameror the FUSE program?20:45
@Haargi have a basic script in wgd right now, but i have thoughts on how to make it better20:45
@Haargno, i haven't.  is templateFilter in the bazaar somewhere?20:46
+perlDreameryes20:46
@Haargi'll take a look20:46
+perlDreamerit could use some work, but it provides a way to dump all templates out in the old template format20:47
@Haargthe ideas i have are somewhat ambitious20:47
+perlDreamerthen, it will upload any templates in the current directory back20:47
+perlDreamercreating new ones20:47
+perlDreamerupdating old ones20:47
+perlDreamerand, optionall, it will create a package for each template imported20:47
@Haargfirst thing i need to do is figure out a decent template format20:48
@Haargi don't really love the old one20:48
@Haargideally, i want something that works for other asset types as well, but that may be going a bit too far20:48
@preactioni say XML!20:48
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: how is the JS going?20:49
@perlmonkey2anything I can help with?20:49
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, haven't got there yet20:49
+perlDreamerLet me fix this POD bug from Bernd, then I'll hop back on it ;)20:49
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: heh, no worries, I have months of stuff to keep me busy :P20:50
+perlDreameris webgui.org being updated right now, by chance?20:55
@Haargyes20:55
+perlDreamerthe bug tracker just gave me the BSD20:55
+perlDreamerwith a big smiling knowmad face in the middle of it20:55
@Haargshould be working again for a bit20:56
+perlDreamerI'll wait ;)20:56
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, first JS question21:11
@perlmonkey24221:12
+perlDreamercorrect!21:12
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8612 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (11 files in 3 dirs): adding Bernds patch for Asset mixins21:12
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8613 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: placeholder errors resolved21:12
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8614 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: placeholder errors resolved21:12
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8615 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: fixed typoe21:12
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you say that list of checkins?  you really want my help?  :P21:13
@perlmonkey2s/say/see/21:13
+perlDreamerSecond JS question:  Many of the subroutines in assetManager.js start like this21:13
* perlmonkey2 forsees a JS OO question21:13
+perlDreamer=function ( child ) { var node = child; ....21:13
+perlDreamerwhy assign child to a new var?21:14
@preactionuh... i don't know21:14
* perlmonkey2 goes to look at the code21:14
@preactionperhaps because "node" was a horrible name for a variable?21:14
+perlDreamerpreaction, does it make you nervous that I'm learning JS from your code? ;)21:15
@preactionno, but better JS from me is the DataTable21:15
@preactionthough there are no bugs posted about that one yet21:15
+perlDreamerIn other words if I declare that a function takes an argument, I don't have to "unpack" it?21:15
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: hmm, which line is it, cause vim searching for node and child return nothing in assetManager.js21:15
@preactionperlDreamer: correct21:15
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: www/extras/yui-webgui/build/assetManager/assetManager.js21:16
+perlDreameraround line 370 or so21:16
@preactionJS has real prototypes.. well... half-prototypes21:16
@preactionit's still a dynamically-typed language21:16
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: to make a copy of the object so that you don't overwrite it wouold be the first thing to spring to mind.21:18
@Haargexcept you can't do it like that21:19
@perlmonkey2Haarg: that is assigned references?21:19
@perlmonkey2assigning21:19
@perlmonkey2js pointers21:19
@Haargfor objects yes21:19
@perlmonkey2but that should be passing in a reference to a dom object21:19
@perlmonkey2dom pointer21:19
@perlmonkey2which might be a value21:20
@Haarghow so?21:20
@perlmonkey2just guessing while I look through my js book :)21:20
@Haargdom is all objects21:20
@perlmonkey2Haarg: wait, that can't be right, because then findrow would be destroying children of the row you're looking for.21:21
@perlmonkey2node = node.parentNode;21:21
@perlmonkey2so it must be making a copy21:21
@Haargcopy of the reference if you want to think about it that way21:21
@perlmonkey2a new variable holding the refernce21:22
@perlmonkey2hmm, but I don't see why it is necessary.21:22
+perlDreamerw00t! JS refactor works.21:22
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: in what?21:22
+perlDreamerso the bug is that the crumb trail in the asset manager does not display a more menu21:22
+perlDreamerfor the last item21:22
+perlDreamerthere's a subroutine that is called21:23
+perlDreamerbut it doesn't exist yet21:23
+perlDreamerso my thought was to abstract out the menu building part21:23
+perlDreamerto be used in the DataTable and this new, as of yet undefined subroutine21:23
+perlDreamerpart one, abstraction/refactoring, works21:23
+perlDreamernow I just need to know how to display a menu from a subroutine21:23
+perlDreamerdid all that make sense?21:24
@preactionyes21:25
+perlDreamerfrom the existing JS, I see how to build a text element and attach a menu to it21:26
+perlDreamershould I do that, or does it need to be done differently?21:26
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: no, in a method/subroutine you should be able to create the dom object then create the YUI object, attaching it to your dom. 21:29
+perlDreameris there a "good" online DOM reference?21:39
+perlDreamerI need to find the element that's calling this subroutine21:39
@preactionperlDreamer: mozdev21:40
+perlDreamerpreaction: Will i run into anything that won't work well in IE/Safari if I use that?21:43
@preactionno, it will tell you if it's not compatible21:43
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SDuensinpreaction - I ARE BACK AT LAST!21:58
@preactionyay!21:58
SDuensin:-)21:59
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8616 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl: fix matrix upgrade script22:05
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8617 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.4/root_import_survey.wgpkg: turn off package flag for survey template22:05
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8618 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.4 release again22:05
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8619 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.4-beta: Release 7.6.4-beta22:35
@perlmonkey2can anyone think of anything that could blow up something in /domains during and upgrade?22:54
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@Haarghow so?23:07
@Haargupgrades will modify uploads sometimes23:07
@perlmonkey2Haarg: yeah, so my test target has a 4.1 gig domains dir that needs to be backed up and they only have 11gig of free space.  doh23:12
@Haargah23:12
carograyhiya23:27
carograyif we want to remove an old page - "child support guidelines review" - but we want people who would have gone there to end up on the page "child support guidelines" I would think to create a redirect23:28
carograyif we create a redirect the URL for the guidelines review page should be the URL for the redirect asset and then it's redirected to the guidelines URL?23:29
carograytherefore we need to change the URL fo the guidelines review page - we want to keep it for archive/historical purposes so we would just rename it guidelines-review -004-008?23:30
carograyalso - who can view redirects? if everyone can view does that mean everyone get's redirected - what does it mean if only content managers can view - only content managers get redirected and others get sent to the missing page page?23:35
@Haargfor creating the redirect, it sounds like you have it correct23:46
@Haargalthough you'll want to use the change url function on the asset context menu, not just edit it and change the url23:46
@Haargredirects are viewable just like normal assets23:47
@Haargif set to viewable by content managers, they will be redirected and other users will get a permission denied screen23:48
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@perlmonkey2Asset::fixUrl scares me.00:01
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@perlmonkey2something isn't right with that.00:01
+perlDreamer7.6.4 is released yet?00:01
@perlmonkey2beta is out00:02
+perlDreamerokay to commit again?00:03
diakopterperlDreamer: create.sql spellos: "Tempalte"00:04
+perlDreamerwow00:05
+perlDreamerat least its consistently spelled wrong...00:05
diakopterthe upgrade scripts/templates too.00:06
+perlDreameryeah00:06
@perlmonkey2the url filter on asset, fixUrl, is called twice.  once with no url passed in, and so untitled defaulting, then again with either the set url or the name as a url being passed in.  But the second time the object url is not set, which it shoudl be.00:06
+perlDreamerdiakopter, how in the world did you find that?00:07
diakopterperlDreamer: ?op=editSettings   Account tab00:08
@perlmonkey2anyone know how properties filters even work?  What calls them?00:08
@preactionperlmonkey2: WebGUI::Asset->update00:08
+perlDreamerpreaction, Haarg: what to do about the misspellings that diakopter is pointing out?00:09
+perlDreamerIf we've released, we'll have to make an upgrade script to fix them00:09
@preactionthe properties filters are a way to make sure that the property NEVER has a bad value. otherwise processpropertiesfromformpost is the place00:09
@Haargrelease is done00:09
@preactionyeah, if necessary, upgrade script00:10
@preactionbut why is it not i18n?00:10
+perlDreamerit's everywhere00:10
+perlDreamersettings00:10
+perlDreameri18n00:10
diakopterpreaction: b/c it's in the database.  default template asset names.00:10
+perlDreamerupgrade script00:10
+perlDreamerpackages00:10
@preactionoh. package then maybe?00:11
diakopterhave Frank fix whatever he copies/pastes from :)00:11
+perlDreamerprobably FFS00:12
+perlDreamerfast finger syndrome00:12
+perlDreamerI'll finish up the bugs that I need to commit then start on the misspellings.00:12
+perlDreamerand someone needs to post a bug about it00:12
@perlmonkey2This is one of the conditions for extensions to be appended to URL' lc($self->get("url")) eq lc($self->getId)  does that even make sense?  Why wouold that be in there, and what would it hurt to remove?00:13
nubahey, im setting up my webgui dev vmware box00:13
nubais there a way to get the wdk without using the source install00:13
nuba?00:13
@perlmonkey2when in the world will a url match the ID?  Apparently at some point in the construction.00:13
nubacause last time I checked the source install takes a while..., besides the troubleshooting here and there...00:14
nubawell, i suppose I could stay with this package Ive installed then cannibalize the source release to get just the wdk00:15
@perlmonkey2someone should check this before I check it in, but it makes sense and solves the problem.  In Asset.pm line 646 should be removed.00:15
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@preactionperlmonkey2: are there tests? did you run them? if no tests, did you write some? that way if you're wrong, we at least have some tests to make sure the regression doesn't happen twice00:21
@perlmonkey2preaction: still trying to wrap my head around why the filter is called twice.00:22
@perlmonkey2preaction: if I could figure that out, I would better understand what is going on.00:22
@preactioni suspect addRevision calls update00:23
@perlmonkey2heh, so the asset creation leaves it with a bad url and only the addrevision gives it a good url.  ouch.00:23
@perlmonkey2since the first url is always $path/untitled00:24
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8620 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: fix misspelled template in Survey code00:24
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8621 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: fix i18n misspelling00:24
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8622 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5.pl: add upgrade script for 7.6.500:24
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8623 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t): Products imported by the Shelf do not have good URLs.00:24
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8624 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t): backport 8623 (shelf imported product url fix)00:24
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8625 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): preparing for 7.6.5 dev00:24
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8626 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Combo.pm: Combo box is not dynamic compatible00:24
@perlmonkey2uhg, update is called like 4 times00:24
@preactionwell, addChild may call update too perhaps00:25
@preactionand processPropertiesFromFormPost calls update00:25
@preactionwww_edit may or may not00:25
@preactionbut the subclass's processPropertiesFromFormPost may00:25
@perlmonkey2only the first two calls have the url property.  And the second call gets to set the url.  But for url extensions, only a url that matches the id of the asset can get an extension (comments say this is only for new assets).  And the second call always has a blank url for the asset (what did the first call end up doing?)00:29
@preactionwait, only the url that matches the id of the asset gets an automatic extention? or doesn't get an automatic extention?00:30
@perlmonkey2if the object already has a url that matches its id, it gets an extension.00:31
@perlmonkey2This is only true during the first call.  The second call, the property url is undef00:32
@preactionoh, i see00:32
@preactionundef because nothing was passed into the form, right?00:32
@perlmonkey2no00:32
@perlmonkey2that is the url param.  00:32
@perlmonkey2which is undef00:32
@perlmonkey2the property of the object (ie $seslf->get(url) is undef.  But I don't think it should be.00:33
@perlmonkey2not that it matters, because it won't match the id.00:33
@perlmonkey2let me re-explain that.00:33
@perlmonkey2yes, the $url passed in is undef.  But no, that is not what the condition is testing.  it is testing $self->get(url) which must match the id.00:34
@perlmonkey2which is only true the first time it is called and a non-numerically updated url is returned.  The second time it is called, a correct url is grabbed, but since the object's url property is undef and doesn't match its id, no extension is appended.00:35
@preactionwhy is the object's url property undef? it should be its id? perhaps it's an object caching problem?00:36
@perlmonkey2I can see the goal, which is only assets which have just been created should be updated with that extension.  Else when you added the extension setting, every single asset would get the new extension when it was updated next.00:36
@perlmonkey2preaction: it is the id the first time.  The second time (the time that actually sets the url) it is undef.00:36
@preactionperhaps this is a good time to attach the perl debugger to apache to step through the code and see what's going on?00:37
@perlmonkey2hmm, so addChild addes a formless propertyless sad little empty thing of a class.  And that sad spectle of an object meets the only conditions of an extension appendage.  But then processPropertiesFromFormPost comes along and breathes life into the asset, filling it out with meaning and hope, only something is wrong.  Some cruel twist of fate has caused someone to undef the url of the empty asset, undoing the only real thing ever done to it.00:49
@perlmonkey2Looks like a logic error in the second update call (the only one that matters).  Need a new way of knowing when an asset is new.  That is if the original logic was sound.00:50
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+perlDreamermisspellings fixed00:52
+perlDreamerthanks, diakopter!00:52
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: That was beautifully poetic.00:55
+perlDreamerI think that needs to be used in a test to be immortalized along with Shawshank.00:55
@perlmonkey2but wrong.  undefing the url didn't break it.00:56
@perlmonkey2hah00:56
+perlDreamerwe used to have a version of perlbot that was full of quotes like that00:56
carograyHaarg: in case you are still there - thanks for reassurance on the redirects. I thought that was the way it worked but wasn't sure and I know that when you do change the URL the way I was going to and you confirmed "all previous revisions" become ....deleted or whatever. Just didn't want to do something irreparable cause I didn't get it. I guess i do get it and thanks.01:00
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HomeMechhi all01:04
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8627 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 2 dirs): fix POD related to asset mixin classes, Asset*.pm01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8628 /translations/German/German/ (11 files): Update from translation server01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8629 /translations/German/German/Asset.pm: Update from translation server01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8630 /translations/German/German/Asset_WikiPage.pm: Update from translation server01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8631 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Update from translation server01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8632 /translations/German/German/Asset_Search.pm: Update from translation server01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8633 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): fix the misspelled word Template in template titles, properties and code for the Account01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8634 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_RSSFromParent.pm AuthWebGUI.pm): Update from translation server01:08
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8635 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (11 files): Update from translation server01:08
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: are you head deep in the update trance?01:09
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: no, trying to figure out how to run all the Asset tests at once :)01:10
+perlDreamerprove -r t/Asset01:10
diakoptererror message at ?op=auth;method=foo   is not stylized.01:12
@Haargperlmonkey2, anything i can help with for that bug?01:12
@perlmonkey2 Haarg j/s the boss is firing me again for being retarded.01:13
diakopterthe default template for ?op=auth;method=displayAccount  generates links (e.g. ?op=account;module=profile ) that do not work ( "Admin (3) connecting from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx attempted to execute an invalid operation: account" )01:14
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, that means you can sue on the basis of discrimination01:14
+perlDreamerif he ever fires you for being stupid, though, you have no recourse01:15
@perlmonkey2Haarg: well, I'm going to run the tests and see if they all pass.  Then I'll try to think up some corner cases where removing that line will break things.  Then make a value call on if having any asset updated after extensions are turned on that they get the extension.01:15
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: hah! :P01:15
diakopterperlDreamer: the new default Auth templates utilize the If() and BackToSite() macros01:15
@Haargaside from the automated tests, be sure to test adding an asset normally and adding a post to a CS01:16
@perlmonkey2Haarg: okay will do.01:16
diakopterperlDreamer: error message at ?op=auth;method=foo   is not stylized.01:16
+perlDreamerdiakopter, those are valid macros01:16
diakopterperlDreamer: the default site config does not allow them01:17
@Haargthere are some issues with those macros currently though - they didn't get added to WebGUI.conf.original01:17
+perlDreamerthey were added to my config file during the upgrade01:17
diakopterperlDreamer: okay, but new sites created with the wre don't include them.01:17
diakopterperlDreamer: the default template for ?op=auth;method=displayAccount  generates links (e.g. ?op=account;module=profile ) that do not work ( "Admin (3) connecting from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx attempted to execute an invalid operation: account" )01:18
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: just an FYI.  But tomorrow is huge party day.  F10 comes out.  Woohooo!01:18
+perlDreamerwhy do we need an If macro, if you can do the same thing in the native template language?01:18
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: time to upgrade ;)01:18
@Haargbecause you can't do that based on macro results01:18
@Haargi haven't actually looked at how it's used though01:19
diakopterperlDreamer: the author of these templates apparently needed the if logic to operate on the result of a macro operation, and template variables are not substituted after macros are processed.01:19
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+perlDreamerHaarg, the default WebGUI config is also missing the Account content handler.  Is there any reason I can't add that and commit?01:30
@Haargyeah, thet needs fixing01:31
+perlDreamerI'll file a bug for it and fix it01:31
+perlDreamerI also looked at the macros, and they look okay to me01:31
+perlDreamerdesign-wise01:31
+perlDreamerdo you remember what the hang-up was about?01:31
@Haargwith what?01:31
+perlDreamerthe If and BackToSite macros01:32
diakopterJT .8.401:32
diakopter--------------------------------------------------------------------01:32
diakopter * The If macro has been removed because it's far too dangerous and01:32
diakopter   error prone. If you use the If macro you may continue to use01:32
diakopter        it at your own risk, maintenance, and support cost, but it01:32
diakopter        is no longer supported by Plain Black.01:32
diakopter6.8.401:32
@Haargdifferent if macro this time around01:33
@rizenindeed01:33
+perlDreamerdiakopter, this If macro is way different01:33
@rizenno evals in this one01:33
diakoptercool01:33
@Haargthey should be in the .original - they were just forgotten01:33
+perlDreamerI'll file a bug for that, and fix it too while I'm in here01:35
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@perlmonkey2any brave souls would to take a look at what appears to be a unicode JSON issue?02:01
@perlmonkey2http://beta.webgui.org/demo1227566679_218/home/untitled2?func=takeSurvey02:01
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SDuensinEvening.02:06
+perlDreamerHowdy, SDuensin02:06
SDuensinI'm dense or something.  I can't find the switch webgui thing in the bazaar.02:08
@preactionyou're not dense, the search is ... a little out of date02:09
SDuensin:-P02:10
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CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8636 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset.pm: Update from translation server02:13
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8637 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Calendar.pm: Update from translation server02:13
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8638 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_ProjectManager.pm: Update from translation server02:13
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8639 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_WikiPage.pm: Update from translation server02:13
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8640 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): update WebGUI.conf.original for Account02:13
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8641 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: Add another missing macro, DeactiveAccount to the config.02:13
@rizenperlmonkey2, are you using JSON->new->utf8 anywhere in there?02:14
@rizenif so, don't02:14
@perlmonkey2rizen: I would almost bet my life I wasn't02:14
@perlmonkey2j/s I'll grep02:14
@perlmonkey2rizen: yeah, 'ut8' isn't in the JS anywhere.02:15
@rizenhow about utf8?02:15
@rizen=)02:15
@rizendid you search with or without the F02:16
@perlmonkey2heh02:21
@perlmonkey2with the f02:21
nubawtf, then02:24
@perlmonkey2hmm, I wonder if the tables are utf8?02:28
@perlmonkey2but all the chars in the example are the same points in utf8 as in western.02:28
@rizenHaarg is the resident UTF8 expert02:29
@rizeni'd drop him a note02:29
@perlmonkey2if I remember, demo servers don't use utf8.  02:30
@perlmonkey2but my upgrade methods specify utf802:30
@rizenwhy would the demo servers not use utf802:31
@rizenthey are webgui like anything else02:31
@rizenthey use the standard create.sql file02:31
@rizenthey run on the wre02:31
@perlmonkey2no idea.  maybe that was the PB servers and I think it was updated a while abck02:31
@perlmonkey2yeah, probably so02:31
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elninoout of curiousity, is there a utility or something out there that will go thru the uploads directory structure, and strip out old versions of the collatoral that is found in that structure?  google has indexed an old version of a file that we've updated. just wondering.02:43
+perlDreamerpurgeRevisions should do it02:43
+perlDreamerit's a workflow02:43
+Radix-wrklol - http://www.bash.org/?87006302:44
elninook. ill take a look at it. thanks perldreamer.02:44
@rizensomebody has too much free time on their hands02:49
@rizenbut that was pretty cool02:49
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+perlDreamerNULL in SQL becomes undef in perl, right?03:31
@preactionyes03:32
+perlDreamerAdmin's profile data is all messed up03:38
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+perlDreamerI'm going to take a break for a while.03:45
+perlDreamerAny last second questions?03:45
nubawhat about a quickie: please elaborate on what you think is the meaning of life03:55
nuba;)03:56
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+perlDreamerhowdy, wgGuest7305:27
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8648 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/ (7 files): Updated Macro API documentation to distinguish whether macros accept template arguments by templateId or by templateUrl06:04
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HomeMechIf I'd like to add 'profile' data to webgui user's (company, phone number, etc) - thats done as part of an authitication plugin ?06:21
+perlDreamerno06:29
+perlDreamerProfile is core WebGUI06:30
+perlDreamerHomeMech: Become an Admin06:30
+perlDreamerTurn on Admin06:30
+perlDreamerGo to User Profiling06:30
+perlDreamerSelect Add a Field06:30
+perlDreamerfill out the field, paying careful attention to the detailed and thoughtful hover help on the labels of each field06:30
HomeMechoh - I thought profiling was click-tracking...06:32
HomeMechperlDreamer: so whats all this stuff in the dev guid about editUserSettings and editUserForm() ?06:32
HomeMechs/guid/guide/06:33
+perlDreamerthat's for an authentication plugin06:33
+perlDreamerto manage passwords and sometimes, permissions06:33
+perlDreamerClick tracking is called Content Profiling06:33
+perlDreamerUser Profiling is differret06:33
+perlDreamerdifferent06:33
+perlDreamerspeaking codewise:06:34
+perlDreamerAuthentication = WebGUI::Auth, WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI, WebGUI::Auth::LDAP06:34
+perlDreamerUser profiling = WebGUI::ProfileField, WebGUI::ProfileCategory (and large chunks of WebGUI::Operation::Profile)06:35
+perlDreamerand Content Profiling is WebGUI::AssetMetaData, WebGUI::Macro::AOIHits and other assorted files and workflows06:35
+perlDreamerHomeMech: Does that straighten it all out?06:36
HomeMechahh... ok..  So if I add fields to the user data, what template do I modify to show them ?06:36
+perlDreamertechnically, none06:37
+perlDreamerthey are given to the profile editor/viewer as a loop06:37
+perlDreamerthey're added automatically06:37
HomeMechumm - I got the "your looking in the wrong place" part - but I'm not familiar with the code modules...06:37
+perlDreameralthough, if you wish, you can build a new template with an explicit, by-name interface06:37
HomeMechoh - so I can't do custom field placement (auto-generated forms are always so ugly...)06:38
HomeMech?06:38
+perlDreamersure you can06:38
+perlDreamerit's just that the default profile templates use loops to do it all06:38
+perlDreamerto do custom field placement, use the by-name interface to the profile fields06:38
+perlDreamerhere, try this06:38
+perlDreamerAre you next to a WebGUI site?06:38
HomeMechyeah - I got one created to play in06:39
+perlDreamerLog in as Admin06:39
HomeMechin06:39
+perlDreamerTurn Admin On06:39
HomeMechdone06:39
+perlDreamerFrom the admin bar on the left, choose Admin Console06:39
HomeMechok06:39
+perlDreamerSelect the Lifesaver Icon (Help)06:39
HomeMechok06:40
+perlDreamerThis is a list of every template and its variables in WebGUI06:40
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HomeMechahh06:40
+perlDreamerFind the Edit Profile Template from the left column06:40
+perlDreamerand click on that link06:40
HomeMechok06:41
+perlDreamerThose variables are available for building tempaltes06:41
+perlDreameralthough, I don't see the by-name ones documented...06:41
HomeMechone of the first things I'd like to do, is add a user profile field 'subscribe-to-newsletter' that users can edit/change themselves...06:43
HomeMechwhen the field is changed - I'd like to run a script (web-service call) to update our email blaster...06:43
HomeMech(iContact has a web services api I can use for the actual update)06:44
Radix_wrkHomeMech: we have an optOut field in ours06:44
+perlDreamerin WebGUI, that would be done by a Workflow06:45
+perlDreamerto the best of my knowledge, there isn't a workflow trigger for changing a user's profile06:45
Radix_wrkHomeMech: and I made a custom group that contains all the users of one group with the exception of the ones who have optOut ticked06:46
Radix_wrkSo we can just use the email functionality in webgui to email all the users who haven't opted out06:46
@preactionwhy not use a collab system for the whole thing?06:46
HomeMechRadix_wrk: optin, optOut - either way, I need to figure out how to add a field to the profile, and update iContact...  Umm...06:46
HomeMechwell - thing is - the system has been running on iContact for years06:46
+perlDreamerHomeMech, why not run the newsletter from inside WebGUI06:47
+perlDreamerah, that makes sense06:47
HomeMechand the lists are already there, as well as stats06:47
+perlDreameryou could just poll the user data periodically06:47
+perlDreamersay, every day or every 12 hours06:47
HomeMechperlDreamer: though I'm surprised there isn't a user profile change event hook...06:48
@preactionyou could always put the workflow trigger in yourself, or fund-a-feature06:48
@preactionnobody's yet asked for one, or they have but it hasn't risen the ranks of the RFE list06:48
HomeMechyeah - we have about 14K subscribers - so a batch job is sorta a pain - but thats how we did it in the past06:49
@preactionwhich is funny because it's not exactly a hard task06:49
HomeMechpreaction: I understand... I'm just surprised it hasn't been needed/wanted before..06:49
Radix_wrkI'll pump karma into that kind of rfe06:49
@preactionit may have been, but not enough people wanted to give up karma06:49
@preactioniow there was other stuff they wanted06:50
HomeMechpreaction: right06:50
+perlDreamerIt's only about 8 lines of code06:50
HomeMechRadix_wrk: Umm - I would too, if I had any :-P06:50
@preactionor maybe nobody did think of it, you'd be surprised what kinds of features seem obviously awesome in retrospect06:50
Radix_wrkI've got a little :)06:50
@preactionworkflow triggers for Shop, for example06:50
@preactionor for DataForm06:50
+perlDreameri thought there was DataForm trigger now?06:51
+perlDreamerA workflow trigger itself is about 10 lines of code.06:51
+perlDreamerbut with the settings, i18n, hover help and the like...06:51
HomeMechanyway - so I have to add these fields via User Profile... is there a 'validate' function I can subvert ?  I could 'validate-and-update' in 1 shot ?06:52
+perlDreamerwww_editProfileSave06:52
@preactionagain, your best bet of making this work with the least amount of future hassle would be to add the workflow hook yourself06:52
HomeMechperlDreamer: heh - its always the paperwork/busy work that takes all the time :-)06:52
+perlDreamerthats 7.506:52
@preactionor, if you never plan on upgrading...06:52
+perlDreamerin 7.6, it's www_editSave in Account/Profile06:52
+perlDreamerbut yeah, it would be best to use a workflow06:53
+perlDreamerthen it's inside the API06:53
+perlDreamerit's got a better chance of surviving upgrades06:53
+perlDreamerit's testable06:53
@preactionit would go into core, and not be your responsibility anymore06:53
Radix_wrkyou can add a new field to the user profile easily inside webgui itself tho.. without any code changes06:53
HomeMechbut the workflow hook gives me a non-standard webgui - which is not something .... oh... ok then..06:54
HomeMechpreaction: so where should I start digging to add the workflow hook then ?06:54
@preactiontheoretically, if you wanted, you could use iContact's API to make an Account plugin. then you could get those settings and even the archives right into WebGUI06:54
@preactionwell, you'd need to be working with the latest SVN.06:54
* HomeMech likes stuff that go upstream and he can forget about...06:54
@preactionit'd be WebGUI::Account::Profile i suspect06:54
+perlDreamerwww_editSave in there06:54
@preactionalso you'd need the setting to set the workflow itself. there should be some sort of settings page in there06:55
Radix_wrkis there an RFE to add a workflow on user profile change already?06:55
+perlDreamereditSettingsForm06:55
HomeMechok...lemme go get the svn stuff setup06:56
HomeMechcan I just do a svn checkout somewhere in the wre and have it 'just work' ?06:56
HomeMechor do I need to build some sort of 'special' wre to use the svn code ?06:57
@preactionif you have a /data/WebGUI directory, you can move the current one somewhere, then svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI /data/WebGUI06:57
@preactionthen you can work with it as normal06:57
@preaction(add a site, restart the wre, etc...)06:57
+perlDreamerRadix_wrk, no RFE for that I can find06:57
@preactionmake sure to run /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl though, the new WebGUI probably wants a few more modules than the 7.506:57
@preactionthat's... weird...06:57
@preactionwhen an Admin edits a user, a workflow is triggered...06:58
@preaction(er.. can be)06:58
@preactionmost likely, HomeMech, you'll just have to copy and paste that code and change the test (or rather, put it in an else block)06:58
@preactionit's almost stupid that the author of that bit didn't put that in while they were at it...06:59
+perlDreamerpreaction, we shouldn't forget that even with the Workflow hook, there needs to be a corresponding Workflow activity06:59
@preactionnot really. and there are already WebGUI::User workflow activities06:59
@preactionex: The DataForm hook has no activities currently07:00
@preactionthough i'm working on a DataForm approval activity ;)07:00
+perlDreamerbut there's no workflow activity for talking to HomeMech's newsletter manager07:00
@preactionwell, no, but workflow activities aren't that hard to write07:00
@preactionthey're like macros really07:00
+perlDreameryeah07:00
+perlDreamerand testable, now :)07:00
@preactionindeed07:01
+perlDreamerI think I got conned...07:01
@preactionhm?07:01
+perlDreamerthis RFE: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/make-password-recovery-by-email-templatable07:01
@preactiongott... the password recovery system we have needs to die07:02
+perlDreamerand this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/882207:02
HomeMechpreaction: ./wre/prereqs/bin/perl  /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl  wants to install XM::FeedPP - will it install it in the right place automagically - or does it dump it in the 'system' perl ?07:02
+perlDreamerby fixing the bug, I filled the RFE07:03
@preactionHomeMech: since you're using the WRE perl, it will put it in the correct place07:03
@preactionbut, you could do: . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh before you do anything to be sure07:03
HomeMechpreaction: cool07:03
@preactionperlDreamer: technically it was a bug not an RFE, the policy is: Anything user-facing is templatable07:03
+perlDreamerin any case, can you close the RFE for me?07:04
@preactionyou mean do work?07:04
HomeMechpreaction: yeah - wasn't sure if ./setenv...sh was required when using full path to components...07:04
+perlDreamerno, not work07:04
+perlDreamerVolunteering :)07:04
+perlDreamer=)07:04
@preactionHomeMech: it's not Necessary, but it might help certain issues07:04
@preactionperlDreamer: done. man i'm spent07:06
+perlDreamerthanks, dude07:06
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+perlDreamerI'll have dreamersgirl bake you some cookies07:07
@preactionpfft. i can make my own cookies07:08
+perlDreamerfudge oat bars?07:09
@preactionhmm... perhaps a nice, moist cake 07:09
HomeMech./wre/prereqs/bin/perl  /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl now says...07:09
@preactionooh07:09
@preactionor those07:09
HomeMechWebGUI modules:                                   Not Found. Perhaps you're running this script from the wrong place.07:09
@preactionHomeMech: if you were inside /data/WebGUI/sbin, that'd be right07:09
+perlDreamerit really wants to be run from the sbin directory07:09
Radix_wrkmake sure you do a ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh" too07:10
HomeMechahh - I tried /data/Webgui and /data/wre dirs07:10
HomeMechI'll try from /data/webgui/sbin07:11
+perlDreamerwhat's your area code, preaction?07:11
@preaction92007:11
Radix_wrkpreaction/perldreamer: make some anzac cookies07:11
dreamersgirlanzac?07:11
dreamersgirlI'm intrigued.07:11
Radix_wrkhttp://www.aussie-info.com/identity/food/anzacs.php07:11
+perlDreamerRadix_wrk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZAC_biscuit07:11
dreamersgirlbring it07:12
+perlDreamerpreaction: you do live in Wisconsin?07:12
+perlDreamerGoogle can't find you07:13
+perlDreameryou must not really exist07:13
+perlDreamerI heard that rizen was working on an advanced perlbot with AI07:13
@preactioni could give you my address, but then i'd have to kill you07:14
+perlDreamerNo address, no fudge oat bars...07:14
+perlDreamerNo anzac biscuits...07:14
@preactionhm...07:14
@preactioni'm making some swiss-cheese bacon macaroni thing now, so i guess i can deal07:14
+perlDreamerYou guys didn't tell me that full time hacking was so tiring07:17
+perlDreamerI worked 10 hours today fixing bugs07:17
dreamersgirlit was the chores that killed ya....07:18
+perlDreamerNo, it was waiting 1.5 hours for dinner07:18
dreamersgirlhopefully it wasn't the coffee with the cute chick in your office07:18
@preactionyeah. it has gotten past the point where i say "8 hours and no more". i was killing myself07:19
+perlDreamerand I thought you were joking when you asked about work.07:20
+perlDreamerI really will send you those cookies, preaction07:20
@preactioni could just go and go, and then all of a sudden i go crosseyed and my beard's got crumbs in it07:20
@preactionthat's right, i GREW a beard and then got crumbs in it07:20
+perlDreamerpictures (and an address)...07:20
@preactioni don't take pichars of me looking like that :p07:21
+perlDreameryou can airbrush out the crumbs07:21
dreamersgirlor we can airbrush them in...07:21
+perlDreamerjust send him cookies, that will work too07:21
Radix_wrkDon't know how you can grow a beard for any length of time07:21
Radix_wrkI'm growing a moustache for Movember and can't really wait until it's over07:22
@preactionholy crap, i really don't exist07:22
Radix_wrksoooo itchy07:22
+perlDreamerpreaction: you need a land line07:25
+perlDreamerbesides, if you don't tell me your address, I'll go over you head07:26
+perlDreamerand ask He Who Has No Vowels07:26
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+perlDreamerokay, time for old men to crash out07:30
+perlDreamer'night, all07:30
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CIA-6WebGUI: Refactored JS to use module pattern for proper encapsulation09:37
CIA-6WebGUI: Extensive jslinting to improve cross-browser support09:37
CIA-6WebGUI: Added some debugging statements09:37
CIA-6WebGUI: Fixed redirection to exitUrl when survey complete09:37
CIA-6WebGUI: Added www_deleteResponses09:37
CIA-6WebGUI: Added security restrictions on www_ methods09:37
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8650 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Cherry-picked survey2 updates from trunk09:37
CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8651 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t): Added Matrix tests, fixed some bugs10:09
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SDuensinHowdy and stuff.16:06
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BartJolmorning16:19
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BartJologone wordt gevonden16:25
BartJoldus we zijn weer een stappie verder16:25
BartJoloops, wrong tab, sorry16:26
nubaah, but daj ogwerten zamish ie gofrher :D16:26
BartJolindeed my friend, indeed16:27
BartJol:)16:27
nubaLOL16:27
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SDuensinkhenn is here!  Hide!16:31
BartJolmr tank!16:31
@khennhey16:31
@khennI forgot I shut it down on Sunday16:31
@khennwas wondering why it was so quiet yesterday =p16:31
BartJolI was stuck in a tram... that should make a diffrence in senseless remarks16:33
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@perlmonkey2This freaks me out.  Should it?  The part that freaks me out is the public member object of the anon object that is exposed through the public namespace declaration.16:56
@perlmonkey2http://pastebin.com/d1f22f55616:56
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diakopterfyi: the debian i686 wre 0.8.5 package on sourceforge runs great on debian amd64; I just had to `apt-get -y install ia32-libs`17:43
BartJolhas anybody here been writing i18n for the new version tag options?17:57
BartJolor know who has done it?17:59
BartJolit's just a question, I have no plans for a bug report18:00
BartJolah, it was Haarg18:01
@Haarg?18:01
BartJolhi, what do you mean exactly by reclaiming a version tag works18:02
BartJolbut than in proper english18:02
BartJolarg18:02
BartJolit is in the single user version tag mode18:02
BartJolin the i18n it says Existing open version tag is reclaimed automatically18:03
BartJolis it coupled and made available? or is it directly set as the working tag?18:05
nubacool thing about svk, im making a local copy of https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI but only revision 7795 onwards. cause theres a nice -s (skip) switch to svk's sync command.18:05
nuba7795 is 7.6.0-beta18:06
nubait helps with keeping it small18:06
@Haargsingle user version tag mode would mean there is one tag for you, and whenever you make changes that tag gets set as the active tag18:06
BartJolso why open?18:07
BartJolsounds more like private18:07
@Haargopen as in not committed18:08
BartJoloh, like that, so if you're not in your tag, make a change18:08
BartJoltada!, you're in your own tag agian18:08
BartJol?18:08
@Haargyes18:08
BartJolbeautifull18:08
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Lisetteto be put on the property image1, image2, Image3 or brochure of the product when I'm creating code, it becomes the path of the image or is the storage?18:31
BartJolit's the storage Id18:32
Lisettethanks18:33
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BartJolI must admit, the new account stuff looks cool18:39
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8653 /translations/Italian/ (176 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server18:43
BartJolbeer is good: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/311961/9ac7ae24/bier_tieten.html and they do usefull research in Wisconsin it seems18:44
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CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8655 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (MatrixListing.pm Wobject/Matrix.pm): Matrix bugfixes and code cleanup19:07
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miloidrrHi perldreamer, I have a Question about the photo gallery in the last version on WebGUI WebGUI 7.5.3419:22
+perlDreamermiloidrr, I'm not very familiar with the Gallery, but I'll do what I can to help.19:22
miloidrrThis new asset include a rate option too, like the last version with CS19:23
miloidrrI can see this option19:23
miloidrrI can't see this option19:24
+perlDreamermiloidrr, it may not be in the default template.19:27
+perlDreamerHave you looked there?19:27
@preactionit doesn't have one19:28
miloidrr=(19:28
@perlmonkey2I haven't been able to detect any problems with removing line 646 from Asset.pm.  So the only issue is that once 646 is changed, any asset updated will have a file extension (if one is set in settings) rather it is a new asset or not.19:29
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miloidrrI have searched in the photo template (Default Gallery View Photo), but i can't found this option19:37
+perlDreamerpreaction is right.  The gallery does not have a rating system19:39
miloidrrOk, Tks perlDreamer19:40
+perlDreamerbopbop, I would love all info that you have about users who still recieve emails after their account has been deactivated.19:40
@bopbopoh boy, let me see if I can still find some19:40
@bopbopit's been awhile19:40
@bopbopTavis experienced it too- I'll dig and send you what I can find19:41
@bopbopI'll ask him to send you what info he might have as well19:41
+perlDreamermost of the code looks tight.  So I need more clues19:45
@bopbopok- I just emailed you the email I received from the user19:45
@bopbopdon't know if it'll be helpful at all19:46
miloidrrperlDreamer, do yo know when is ready the last version of WebGUI (WebGUI 7.6.4)?, they have installed this version in www.webgui.org19:50
miloidrrReady = uploable19:50
@preactionmiloidrr: we update webgui.org along with the release. you can download 7.6.4 now19:51
+perlDreamerbopbop: really I'm trying to see where the email came from (DataForm, CS, Inbox, or other)19:52
miloidrrYesssssss19:52
miloidrrTks19:52
@bopbopperlDreamer: the PR/News CS on plainblack.com19:52
+perlDreamerso basically via a subscription group19:52
@bopbopwhich is her: http://www.plainblack.com/pr19:53
@bopbopyep19:53
@bopbopher/here19:53
+perlDreamerfrom here it looks like he just couldn't unsubscribe19:53
+perlDreamerand that he did have an account19:53
@bopbopthere is no user account for him in the system19:54
+perlDreamernot anymore19:54
+perlDreamerI wouldn't doubt that JT's fix was to nuke the account19:54
@bopbopif he was that fast19:54
@bopbopcould be-we'd have to ask him19:54
@bopbopthere is another, whose username I included in the bug comments19:54
@bopbopwho has an account on the site19:54
@bopbophe unsubscribed, and still received the email19:55
@bopbopI think Tavis went through and deleted the accounts of the users he encountered19:55
+perlDreamerMr. Brown sounds a little bent out of shape20:03
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CIA-41WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8659 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: www_deleteResponse should only delete the response from this asset, not all assets21:10
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Lisetteif I have a dataform with a field type file, as I do to get the storage of that image from a macro? with $ session-> form-> param?21:11
@Haargwhy do you want to access it with a macro?21:14
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@Haargyou would be able to use $session->form->param yes, but the DataForm should already be processing it21:14
@Haargwhat is the macro supposed to do?21:15
Lisettethe macro get the values for to create a product with this fields21:16
Lisettebut the dataform processes and creates storage for the file and I need to get the storage to relate it as an image of the product21:18
LisetteHaarg dou you know how to do this?21:21
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@Haargwell, using $session->form->param would probably work.  overall, doing that in a macro seems like it will become problematic.21:22
Lisettemmm21:22
Lisettewhy?21:23
Lisettebut i do this with others params and works21:23
Lisettei need the storageId but this isn't a field21:24
@Haargyeah, you'll need to retrieve the dataform entry information21:24
@Haargare you doing this on the acknowledgement screen?21:25
@Haargthere may be a template variable with the storage id already21:25
Lisetteyes21:26
Lisetteok, i'm going to see, thanks21:26
Lisettei don't see 21:30
Lisettein the template of dataform i don't see nothig21:30
Lisettehow to do, or this not possible?21:36
@preaction<tmpl_var field.noform.<fieldName>.value>21:37
Lisettethis is the storageId?21:38
@preactionthe value of the field is the storage ID, yes21:39
Lisettethanks21:40
Lisettea dataform can be operated with workflows?21:47
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elninohello!  I'm working on a new pagelayout template. And I put some stuff in the "extra headers" portion of the template, but when a page uses that template, those items don't appear anywhere in the html code.. Is that correct?22:34
@preactiondoes your style template have a <tmpl_var head.tags> block?22:34
elninooh.. no this is a pagelayout - I suppose I need to have that statement... Thanks!22:39
@preactionin the style template22:40
@preactionpage layout templates are part of a style template's body.content22:41
elninooh. Yes, the style template has it. It's the same one that I've used for the whole site... but I'll double check.22:41
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I could use that JS help now, if you're available22:44
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: sure, what's up?22:44
+perlDreamerlet me email you two files22:44
+perlDreameryou can read them, laugh, and then help me figure out how to do it the right way22:44
@perlmonkey2heh, okay22:44
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'm not sure about "the right way", but I can probably get cloes.22:45
@perlmonkey2close22:45
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elninopreaction - yep, the style has the head.tags, and it's not picking up the pagelayout template's "extra headers" 22:50
@preactionthat's wierd22:50
elninoso, it appears to be a bug in my version?22:50
elninoI'll check with the demo site.22:50
elninoif I put the "extra headers" in the page layout itself, they are pickedup. but not when they are stored iwht the template.22:51
+perlDreamerthat's not a bug22:53
+perlDreamerif you put them in the template, they would be used when you view the template itself, not use it in another place.22:53
elninook, but my css and scripts only apply to pages that use the template, so following the "object model" I would think they should be "stored" with the template.  But I can see that that would b a nightmare traversing all the templates used and picking up all the "extra head tags"22:54
elninoand displaying them at the "top" level.22:54
+perlDreamerWhat does the Extra Heat Tags hover help say?22:55
+perlDreamermaybe we need to make it clearer22:55
+perlDreamerBecause you're pretty familiar with wG now22:55
+perlDreamerand if it doesn't make sense to you, then that's a good indicator that it should be changed22:55
@preactionthere shouldn't be an Extra Head Tags on the metadata tab for templates. there should only be the one on the Properties tab22:56
@preactionimho22:56
+perlDreamerwhat's the difference?22:56
+perlDreameroh, you mean the head block versus the "extra head tags"22:56
@preactionyeah22:57
@preactiontemplates have no view. they show their parent22:57
+perlDreamerWhy don't we change that, then?22:58
+perlDreamerin the def sub, it should be possible to remove properties22:58
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elninoI guess if templates have no "view" then those head elements will never be "pulled" so I gues I could be with perlDreamer, and remove the extra head elements for templates, since there appears to be no application for that data.22:59
* perlDreamer also thinks that the view method for a template should be the edit view22:59
+perlDreamerinstead of the parent view22:59
elninohmm. I guess that was preactions idea. =)22:59
+perlDreamerit was.  He's brilliant23:00
elninoboth of you are.23:00
+perlDreamerThank you, but compared to most of these guys I'm a rank amateur23:00
@preactionthe view method has to be something besides the edit method, what happens when they're part of a page layout?23:00
elninoI did find the hover confusing,  because it talked about assets, and I'm working on a template, but I think internally they are the "same" so I figured it would be treated the same.23:00
@preactionwww_view could point to www_edit though23:01
+perlDreamerindeed, preaction.23:01
+perlDreamerand no more funny style issues23:01
elninook. you guys talk, I'll just put it in the page layout's propertes..  bummmer though, not very OO. Would you like me to put a RFE together?23:02
+perlDreamerpreaction, is that a bug, or an RFE?23:02
elninoI call it a bug. =)23:03
@preactionpersonally i would consider it confusing enough to be a bug, but i'd have to get consensus from Haarg and rizen 23:03
+perlDreamerIf its declared a bug, I'll fix it today.23:04
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: does tha tcode work?  in [head] it is throwing errors.23:04
elninoand fix means, removing that property from templates?23:04
+perlDreamerits against 7.523:04
@rizencould someone summarize in 2 sentences the last 200 messages so i can give you an opinion?23:04
elninoI'll explain.23:04
+perlDreamerrizen, extra head tags in a template are never used.  We'd like to remove them from the Template editing screen23:04
elninoright. =)23:05
@preactionthe extra head tags in the Metadata tab23:05
@Haargwhich extra head tags?23:05
@rizenyou mean the style template?23:05
elninopagelayout template.23:05
@rizenwait23:05
elninoI think they should be utilized, not removed.23:05
@rizenthe extra head tags field is never used?23:05
+perlDreamernope23:05
elninoit appears so.23:05
@preactionthe one on the Properties tab is used, the Head Block field23:05
@rizenoh...haarg just explained offline23:05
+perlDreamerbut Extra Head Tags is only used when the asset is directly viewed23:06
+perlDreamerwhich never happens with a template23:06
@preactionwhich templates can't do23:06
@rizenyes, hide the field23:06
+perlDreamerelnino, please file that bug for me23:06
@rizenwait23:06
@rizeni have an idea23:06
+perlDreamerspeak, oh fleet fingered one...23:07
@rizenwhat if we get rid of the "head block" field in the template23:07
@rizenand just use the "extra head tags" field23:07
@rizenmerge all data in the head block23:07
@rizeninto extra head tags23:07
@rizencuz they basically are the same field23:07
@preactionget rid of the current data in the Extra Head Tags field for templates? since there may be something in there, but it wasn't being used?23:08
@rizenno23:08
+perlDreamermerge it in23:08
@rizenlet me explain in psudo code23:08
@preactionmerging it in means changing behavior23:08
@rizenextraHeadTags += headBlock23:09
@rizendelete headBlock23:09
+perlDreamercurrently, head block is a codearea, but extra head tags is a text area.  Can we change that?23:09
@preactionthose tags will be important now, whereas before they were useless (if there were anything in there)23:09
@rizenwe can certainly change that into a codearea pd23:09
elninoI'm a bit lost, where can I find this head block field under properties? under "meta data" I only see "extra head element tags" and that is the field that doesn't seem to be working.23:10
+perlDreamerare extra head tags inserted for $asset->view, or only for $asset->www_view?23:10
+perlDreamerelnino, page down in the properties tab for any template23:11
@rizenperlDreamer: it's irrelevant because you don't "view" a template23:11
+perlDreamerthe "head block" is below the template field23:11
@rizenyou render a template23:11
elninoomg, yes,I agree, those two fields are essentially the smae. I'll put my code there instead.23:12
@preactioni'm just saying if we do assetData.extraHeadTags += template.headBlock, put something in the gotchas. if assetData.extraHeadTags already had something like "<title>Ha Ha!1one</title>", your page might now have a new title23:12
@rizenpreaction: ok23:13
@rizenperlDreamer, do you know what you need to do?23:13
+perlDreamerI have 75% of it23:13
+perlDreamerI don't understand when Extra Head Tags from children get pushed into a parent.23:13
+perlDreamercan you walk me through a simple example23:14
+perlDreamer1 page with layout template with 1 article on it with 1 template23:14
@rizenyou're thinking of it in appropriately23:14
+perlDreamerif I view the page, which extra head tags do I get?23:14
@rizenbut ok23:14
elninocould we move contents from the head block and put it in the "extra head" field, since the "extra head field" is a standardized properties for almost everything I've seen? and get rid of the head block? (bascally the opposite of what you've suggested.)23:14
+perlDreamerelnino, no, since extra head tags is a standard field for all assets23:14
elninoI think templates are the only assets that have a "head block",23:15
elninoright,23:15
@rizenwhen you call the page layout's www_view method you'll get the extraHead tags from the page layout, the page layout's template, and the article's template, but not the article23:15
elninooh.23:15
+perlDreamerand when I view the article, then I get the article and the article's template23:15
elninoright. That's what I'm saying.23:15
@rizencorrect pd23:15
+perlDreamerokay, now I know what to do23:16
@rizenand the reason for that is that the extraheadtags will work exactly like headBlock works now in the case of a template23:16
@rizenthere is one more special case though pd23:16
+perlDreameruh oh23:16
elninoso which field is staying and which field is disappearing?23:16
+perlDreamerelnino->delete('head block')23:17
@rizenright now the headBlock processes meta tag template variables23:17
elninoawesome.23:17
@rizenso in the case of a template23:17
@rizenyou'll process those meta tag template variables on the template23:17
@rizenon the extra head tags23:17
@rizeninstead23:17
+perlDreamersounds like I need to subclass getExtraHeadTags in the template class23:17
@rizenperlDreamer, before you make any decisions about that23:18
@preactionwith the new Account stuff, should the upgrade perhaps add some useful information as an inbox message to the Admins group? or the Content Manager's group or something?23:18
@rizensee how it currently works23:18
@preaction(perhaps not in this instance, but in future instances)23:18
@rizenpreaction: why?23:18
@preactionto cut down on PB support questions when things change23:19
+perlDreamerNo one reads the gotchas.txt file?23:19
@rizenyeah right23:19
@rizenpreaction: 50% of the questions posted to support are precisely because no one reads anything23:20
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@preactionlesson 2 of UI design is: Nobody reads the manual. Nobody reads the docs. Nobody reads instructions.23:20
+perlDreamerWhat's lesson 1?23:20
@preactionusers are idiots23:20
@preaction- Joel Spolsky23:20
+perlDreamerand rizen, when you say "see how it currently works", do you mean getExtraHeadTags or something else?23:21
@rizenperlDreamer: i mean look at the current metadata template processing23:21
elninook. so... you're going to remove the headblock and subclass extra heads for templates so template variables are executed. Sounds awesome. that is what I was hoping would come out of this.  During the upgrade, are you moving existing contents from head block to "extra headers"? - do you want me to pull an RFE/Bug for this for you?23:21
+perlDreamerelnino, please file a bug for it.23:22
@rizenelninio: NO23:22
elninoI didn't understand correctly?23:22
@rizenelnino: it is not going to process just any template variables23:22
@rizenonly meta data / content profiling type variables23:22
elninoright.23:22
@rizenjust like the head block does now23:22
@rizenok23:22
elninoright.23:23
elninoThank you for clarifying the difference, didn't know there was one.  good to now.23:23
elninos/now/know23:23
@rizenso perlDreamer are we on the same page?23:27
+perlDreameryup23:27
@rizeni love it when a plan comes together23:27
@rizenperlDreamer: while you're in there you should hide the extraHeadTags field when the namespace of a template is 'style'23:28
@rizento do that you'll probably have to use a customDrawMethod attribute on that field23:29
elninothis is good. bug posted23:29
+perlDreamerrizen, I'll look into that.  Might need to come back for help.23:30
elninoare style templates different than other templates?23:30
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+perlDreamerLet me get the assetManager bug closed, then I'll start on this new one.23:30
@preactionslightly, their head tags don't get added to the whole thing23:30
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+MrHairgreasei think I've found (one of the) cause(s) of the reply count going wrong in CS's23:31
@rizenelnino: what preaction said is because with a style template you already have the <head></head> block right at your fingertips, so it doesn't make any sense that you'd need the extra head tags23:31
+MrHairgreaseAssetLineage->getDescendantCount does not gie the correct result if there are multiple revisions23:31
@rizennice find MrHairgrease 23:31
+MrHairgreasejust not sure how to fix it23:32
+MrHairgreasehang on I'll paste something23:32
+perlDreamerit needs to do the revisionDate check23:32
elninoah. got it.23:32
+perlDreamerand revisionDate = (select max(revisionDate) from assetData)23:33
+perlDreameror something similar23:33
+MrHairgreaseyeah23:33
+MrHairgreasebut that'd be slow23:33
+MrHairgreaseI'd figure a group by would do the trick23:33
+MrHairgreasebut it doesn't23:33
+perlDreamerthat means that getChildCount is wrong too23:33
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+MrHairgreasehttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m22f88ccc23:34
+MrHairgreasethe problem in this case is that the thread actually has three revisions23:35
CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8660 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Contributions.pm): append pagination variables to the Contributions template variables23:35
CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8661 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Layout.pm: fix an i18n typo in the Layout asset23:35
CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8662 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Layout.pm: backport i18n fix23:35
+MrHairgreasethere are other places where the reply count goes wrong as well btw23:35
+MrHairgreasemore specifically on cut/copy/paste actions23:35
+perlDreameryeah, that's by design23:35
+perlDreamerwe could never figure out a way to do that one23:36
+MrHairgreasebut that's fixable by putting the correct code in WebGUI::Asset::Post->paste23:36
+MrHairgreaseand cut23:36
+MrHairgreaseI did something that fixed that a couple of weeks ago23:36
+perlDreameris it committed in?23:36
+MrHairgreasebut accidentally rm-ed it23:36
+MrHairgreaseno23:36
+perlDreamerargh23:36
+MrHairgreaseI can prolly fix it again though23:37
+MrHairgreasesince I still know  how I did it23:37
+MrHairgreasethe problem was however23:37
+perlDreameryou'll probably do it better the second time23:37
+MrHairgreasethat I then had not found the revisionDate thing23:37
+MrHairgreaseso in some cases it still failed...23:37
+MrHairgreaseanyway23:37
+MrHairgreaseanybody knows why the group by doest fix the query in http://webgui.pastebin.com/m22f88ccc23:38
+perlDreamerI'd build test cases in assetLineage.t and then make changes until they pass23:38
+MrHairgreaseI'll try to reapply the fix, test and commit it this week23:38
+MrHairgreaseoh23:38
+MrHairgreasenever mind23:39
+MrHairgreaseI already know why the group by doesn't work23:39
+perlDreamerwhy doesn't it work?23:39
+perlDreamerFor the newbie full-time programmer in the room23:39
+MrHairgreasesince that will give the number of rows with a specific assetId23:39
+MrHairgreaseit will return only one row though23:39
+perlDreamerbut it didn't23:39
+perlDreamerit returned 3 rows23:40
+MrHairgreaseno23:40
+MrHairgreaseonly one23:40
+MrHairgrease+----------+ | count(*) | +----------+ |        3 | +----------+23:40
elninoperlDreamer/preaction/rizen - feel free to rename the bug. I didn't know what to call it. http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9155 23:41
+perlDreamer9155 is a good name23:41
elnino=)23:41
elninoI be going now, let me know if I can do anything more with this. Thanks! That was fun!23:41
+perlDreamerlater, elnino23:42
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, Did I already tell you that the files go with 7.5?23:42
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yeah, but I'm still not seeing anything work with them.23:42
@perlmonkey2are they supposed to work?23:43
+perlDreameryeah23:43
+perlDreamerthey work fine here23:43
+perlDreamerjust no menu on the crumb trail23:43
+perlDreamerwhich browser are you using?23:43
@perlmonkey2firefox23:43
+perlDreamerdoes a stock 7.5 work okay?23:44
@perlmonkey2WebGUI.AssetManager.showMoreMenu is not a function23:44
@perlmonkey2it should, I dev on this 7.5 instance all the time23:44
@perlmonkey2I'll revert it and make sure it work.s23:44
+MrHairgreaseyay23:44
+MrHairgreasegotta love mysql23:44
+MrHairgreaseselect count(DISTINCT assetData.assetId)23:44
+MrHairgreasethat does the trick23:45
+MrHairgreaseanybody knows if count(distinct ...) is ansi sql?23:45
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+MrHairgreaseah23:46
+MrHairgreaseseems so23:46
+MrHairgreasegotta love sql in general then =)23:47
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I'll turn on firebug23:48
+MrHairgreasewhat does UU mean when svn up-ing?23:50
+MrHairgreasesome sort of a turbo update?23:51
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+perlDreamerMrHairgrease, one U is content update23:55
+perlDreamerthe next U is properties update23:55
+MrHairgreasewhat kind of props?23:55
+perlDreamermaybe file level properties (r,w,x)?23:56
+perlDreamermaybe custom meta properties?23:56
+MrHairgreasehmm23:56
+MrHairgreasewell23:56
+MrHairgreasewhatever23:56
+perlDreamerwhich file was it?23:56
+MrHairgreaseas long as it works, it's fine by me23:56
+MrHairgreaseoh a whole lot23:56
+perlDreamerhttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn-book.html#svn.ref.properties23:57
+MrHairgreaseok23:57
@Haargi turned off the executable flag on a bunch of files23:57
+MrHairgreasethanks23:57
+MrHairgreasethat's prolly it23:57
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: firebug gives me the all clear23:59
--- Day changed Wed Nov 26 2008
+perlDreamerso I'm just doing something stupid, not wrong00:00
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: hmm00:00
@perlmonkey2now I'm not getting an error.  strange00:00
@perlmonkey2but I'm still not seeing any assets or menus00:00
+perlDreamerI get DataTable assets, with more menus that work.00:01
+perlDreamerbut no crumb trail click/dropdown menu00:01
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: maybe try clearing the browser cache?00:01
@perlmonkey2hah, that is funny.  never would have thought that browser caching would have affected an ajax call.00:02
@perlmonkey2okay, works now.00:02
@perlmonkey2so when I click on the last bread crumb item, a menu should pop up?00:02
@perlmonkey2okay, when I click on that last bread crumb I get "WebGUI.AssetManager.showMoreMenu is not a function.00:02
@perlmonkey2your onclick event for that item appears to call something that doesn't exist.  Am I missing a template?00:03
+perlDreamerrestart the server to get the new content handler for assetManager?00:03
+perlDreamerit's a 2 part change00:04
@perlmonkey2assetManger.js and AssetManager.pm00:04
+perlDreamerright00:04
+perlDreamerthe new AssetManager.pm should not have the onclick on it anymore00:08
+perlDreamerno, I'm wrong00:09
+perlDreamerit does00:09
+perlDreamerbut WebGUI.AssetManager.showMoreMenu is defined in the JS file00:10
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yeah, for some reason it isn't showing up for me.  I'm clearing cache on both ends.......00:11
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: are you sure that js file is loaded from extras?00:22
+perlDreameryes00:22
@perlmonkey2I've inserted a comment at the top to see if I'm getting it, and no matter what I do I am not getting that new file.00:22
+perlDreamerusing firebug, I can see it 00:22
@perlmonkey2I am using firebug00:22
@perlmonkey2that is how I saw the error in the first place00:22
+perlDreamerextras/yui-webgui/build/assetManager/assetManager.js?00:23
@perlmonkey2hahaha00:23
@perlmonkey2no00:23
patspammorning :)00:23
+perlDreamermorning, patspam00:24
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@perlmonkey2okay, now I get no error, but nothing happens on onclick.  Should a menu be appearing?00:24
+perlDreameryes00:25
+perlDreamerwell, that's what I want to happen00:25
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: what is linkTextId00:26
+perlDreamerthe id of the element that I want the menu attached to00:27
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@perlmonkey2right right, but I don't see it in the html00:27
@perlmonkey2and since I'm not seeing a menu, I'm wondering if I'm missing that dom el00:27
@perlmonkey2And I hate to brag, but I'm 56% finished burning my x64 F10 DVD.00:28
+perlDreamerdoh!00:28
@perlmonkey2okay, I lied.  I don't hate to brag :P00:28
+perlDreamerwhen you wipe your machine and reinstall, how do you handle things like stored password in FF?00:28
@perlmonkey2reenter them?  I've actually grabbed my entire home space this time to see if I can just copy back in those encrypted files00:29
@perlmonkey2But normally I just retype them in.00:29
@perlmonkey2it's only twice a year.00:29
patspamfoxmarks is handy for that00:29
+MrHairgreaseok, I'll fix the CS stuff next friday when I have time00:30
@perlmonkey2patspam: foxmarks backs up your passwords?00:31
patspamyeah, they added that recently00:31
+perlDreamerthat's cool00:31
patspamencrypted thankfully00:31
nubacookies too?00:32
patspamheh nah00:32
patspamat least, i don't think so00:32
nubai seriously miss google's browser sync00:32
nubawith cookies, history, pwds, etc00:32
@perlmonkey2patspam: looks like it stores the info on their server?00:32
patspamyep00:32
patspambut passwords are encrypted before they leave your machine00:33
@perlmonkey2"I don't know you.  Let go of my purse!"00:33
nubaheh00:34
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I just got the remarkably insightful error message from your code.  "w is null"00:36
+perlDreamerwhere are you getting these error messages from?00:36
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: heh, you can tell how out of it I am when I was looking for linkTextId as a string in the html.00:36
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: are you getting a menu?00:38
+perlDreamerno00:38
@perlmonkey2just wondering where I need to start looking00:38
@perlmonkey2okay00:38
+perlDreamerno menu00:38
@perlmonkey2I have an idea.  Might be in the dom el's you give as hard coded args.  Not sure.00:38
+perlDreamerI have the feeling that my whole approach is wrong00:39
@perlmonkey2no00:39
@perlmonkey2looks normal to me00:39
@perlmonkey2you could probably wrap your functions in a single object to tidy it up, but I don't see why you would have to.00:40
+perlDreamermaybe the problem is the render call00:46
+perlDreamerThe original code is from the assetManager, but this guy is not a child of the assetManager.00:46
+perlDreamernope, this is a child of assetManager00:48
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: haveyou tried making sure nothing is connected to 'assetManager' first?00:48
+perlDreamerI don't know what that means00:49
@perlmonkey2putting in just a basic option, hard coded, to rule out the options being an issue.00:49
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+perlDreamerthe options should be fine, since that same subroutine gets used by the activity formatter00:50
+perlDreamerbut I'll try it00:51
@perlmonkey2and will a menu show if it doesnt' have any items?00:51
+perlDreamerI don't know.  Items are defined by the global WebGUI.AssetManager.MoreMenuItems00:52
@perlmonkey2no, it isn't the lack of item.s  I just added some00:53
@perlmonkey2items are?  they come back in the options?00:53
@perlmonkey2because I'm showing three basic css options and no items from that call.00:54
@perlmonkey2can a menu target be a div?  (grasping at straws)00:55
+perlDreamerthe other menu items are anchor tags00:55
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8663 /experimental/Automat/ (7 files in 3 dirs): dns management works, along with task management00:55
@perlmonkey2I changed the target to the ol crumbtail item, no joy00:56
+perlDreamerthe function is being called00:59
+perlDreamerI put a breakpoint in there and clicked on the link00:59
@perlmonkey2oh yeah, it is being called.00:59
+perlDreamerand it stopped at the breakpoint00:59
@perlmonkey2no errors are being through00:59
+perlDreamerno00:59
@perlmonkey2I wish render returned something...maybe it does00:59
@perlmonkey2true01:00
+perlDreamerit returns a boolean01:00
nubaperlDreamer: you mentioned "breakpoint"?01:01
nubahow do you debug webgui code?01:02
+perlDreameryes, nuba01:02
+perlDreamernuba, with print statements01:02
nubaah, ok :D01:02
+perlDreamerwith JS, I'm trying to learn how to use firebug01:02
@preactionor by attaching the perl debugger to apache01:02
nubayeah, ive heard of that01:02
nubanever did it, tho01:02
+perlDreamerpreaction, there's your topic for the WUC next year01:02
@preactionhttp://madmongers.org/talks/troubleshooting-apache-and-mod_perl#GQ9iQnHXZfqe5ujq6rVQmA <- already did it for MadMongers01:03
@preactionthat isn't to say i couldn't do it, but it would have to be some demand for it01:06
@preactioni'd have to break that presentation in two, it was 90 minutes long01:07
+perlDreamerjust talk twice as fast01:07
@preactionheh, i was talking fast already and i probably covered 2/3 of what i should have covered for both topics01:08
+perlDreamerI tried pulling out the assetManager  arg to menu.render, and no change01:12
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+perlDreamerWould you take a look at this, preaction?01:16
@preactionat what?01:16
+perlDreamerthe assetmanager crumb trail "More" menu01:17
@preactionokay01:17
+perlDreameremail on the way01:17
+perlDreamerin the onclick target for the last link, I call a JS function that is supposed to create and draw a menu01:18
+perlDreamerbut it never shows up01:18
+perlDreamerthe function is called, and there are no errors01:18
+perlDreamerbut no menu is drawn01:18
+perlDreamerthe menu drawing routine is WebGUI.AssetManager.showMoreMenu01:19
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+perlDreamerrbr01:20
+perlDreamerbrb01:20
@preactionperlDreamer: functions in javascript are called by using () after them. otherwise they're just references01:21
@preactionthe menu.show; and menu.focus; won't work without ()01:21
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8664 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: made it a great deal prettier01:25
+perlDreameroh ho01:28
+perlDreamerson of a gun!01:29
+perlDreamerI'm not an idiot after all01:29
+perlDreamerI'm just stoopid01:29
@preactionwell, ... heh, that method was in there because i couldn't get the god-damned thing to work right01:29
+perlDreamerdo you know I've been working on this on and off for a week?01:30
+perlDreamerI've read reams of YUI docs01:30
+perlDreamer(and, btw, I think I know a way we can speed up the menus and reduce their footprint at the same time now)01:30
+perlDreamerand I've been stopped by 4 characters01:31
@preactionsweet01:31
+perlDreamerpreaction, thank you!01:31
@preactioni'm beginning to think that bacos are about the nastiest thing ever invented by man01:31
+perlDreamerdude, only real bacon01:32
+perlDreamerTVP is not real food01:32
@preactionbut bacon is high in cholesterol and saturated fat01:32
+perlDreamerdon't eat it often01:32
@preactiontwo things doctor says i can't have anymore01:32
+perlDreamerhuh?01:32
@preactionlike, period01:32
@preactionwell, in the amount that i was used to eating01:33
+perlDreamerI'll send you my bean stew casserole recipe01:33
@preactionif i make one dish with bacon, i'll eat it for 4 days (because a recipe makes that much)01:33
+perlDreamer$recipe->scale(0.25);01:33
@preaction$freetime->scale(0.25);01:34
+perlDreamerindeed01:34
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CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8665 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add more menu to assetmanager crumbtrail01:51
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8666 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: formatted nav better01:51
CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8667 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward porting assetmanager crumb trail more menu01:51
CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8668 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: fix AssetManager copy button label01:51
@preactionperlDreamer: it worked?01:51
+perlDreameryes!01:51
@preactionnice!01:51
+perlDreamerI need to sit and read the Learning JS book that I have01:52
+perlDreamerit would help with little things like that01:52
@preactionperhaps JSLint?01:52
@preactioni think there's such a thing01:52
+perlDreamerthis is weird01:58
+perlDreamerif I remove the headBlock code from Template.pm, I won't be able to access it using Asset API functions01:58
+perlDreamerah, but I can still get it directly from the db01:59
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, preaction found it02:11
+perlDreamermenu.focus is not a function call02:11
+perlDreamerneither is menu.show02:11
@perlmonkey2doh02:12
@perlmonkey2bool?02:12
+perlDreamermenu.show()02:12
+perlDreamermenu.focus()02:12
@preactionmenu.show is the function, but menu.show() calls the function02:13
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+perlDreamerit works in perl02:14
* perlDreamer mopes and mutters02:14
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: http://www.linux.com/feature/15398403:24
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: now would be a good time to gloat about FC1004:15
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+perlDreamerrizen, a custom draw method won't hide the extra head tags for style templates04:50
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+perlDreamercustom draw method will always draw a readonly field04:50
+perlDreamerthe good news is that, aside from that, the extra head tags work is done04:52
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CIA-41WebGUI: patspam * r8671 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 07:35
CIA-41WebGUI: Flux plugins now use Params::Validate to define argument spec.07:35
CIA-41WebGUI: Added new general-purpose Modifier called Method that lets you call an arbitrary method an operand (supports method arguments too).07:35
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CIA-41WebGUI: Fixed bug in handling of 'minimal' optimisation in getLinearProgression.10:24
CIA-41WebGUI: Added ENV flag to allow for running of realtime workflows to speed up test suite10:24
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BartJolmorning12:06
Petruchio-Good morning.12:06
BartJoleverything ok?12:08
Petruchio-Spiffy, thanks.12:08
Petruchio-I'm just checking things out.  Good of you to ask; speaks well of the community.12:10
BartJolyeah, we're not that big, but quite enthousiastic12:12
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Bernd_Indeed.12:53
Bernd_Good morning btw12:53
BartJolHi Bernd_ do you happen to know on which wre webgui 7.0.8 is best run?12:54
BartJolor will it just be digging through gotchas and changelogs12:55
BartJoldon't start searching, I can also search myself12:55
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Bernd_No idea, Bart.13:03
BartJolok13:03
Bernd_I have been using WebGUI only since 7.4 :-)13:03
Bernd_I am a newbie!13:04
BartJolyeah we still have some sites without wre and that really need upgrading now13:04
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@rizenBartJol: you want something in the 0.7 series16:34
BartJolah16:36
@rizenTechnically 0.8.0 will probably run it, but the later 0.8 versions definitely won't16:36
@rizenbut 0.7 was the version under which it was released16:37
BartJolso latest 0.7 will be best16:37
BartJolok, will try it16:37
SDuensin(Insert crazy scream here.)  Morning!16:47
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schabiIs it correct that WebGUI does not support PostgreSQL anymore?17:03
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@rizenschabi: for it's primary database yes, though it can read data out of a postgresql database using SQL Report17:09
@rizenSDuensin: why are you screaming?17:09
wgGuest37I am blind today.. Where is the user contribution area? I keep getting directed to the home page of plainblack when I do a google search17:10
SDuensinrizen - Just too frickin' much trying to happen this week.17:10
schabirizen: that's sad. So it disqualifies for our setup. Thanks.17:11
@rizenschabi: understood. we supported it for 3 years and had only 1 or 2 users in that time. compare that to thousands of mysql users17:12
@rizenschabi: it just wasn't worth the support effort17:12
@rizenwgGuest37: webgui.org/bazaar17:12
@rizenwgGuest37: what links are you clicking on that redirect you?17:12
schabirizen: I see.17:13
@rizenschabi: with the WebGUI Runtime Environment (wre) mysql is all self contained for you anyway. You really don't have to do anything with it. Is it possible you could still consider WebGUI?17:14
schabirizen: it is not my decision. We have "No PHP, No MySQL" policy. Apparently for good reasons. But that considerably reduces the amount of available CMSes.17:16
@rizenschabi: understood.17:16
@rizenschabi: do you also need to host it in house? if not, we could host it for you and then you wouldn't have to deal with mysql17:16
schabiWell, it may be that MySQL will get allowed in the future, they look promising, but not yet.17:16
schabiWe have our own servers at several colocations. We have no servers where we don't own the hardware.17:17
@rizenschabi: i'm very sorry we couldn't help you this time. do keep us in mind though if your search doesn't bear fruit. WebGUI is pretty much the most feature rich CMS on the planet right now.17:18
SDuensinWebGUI is DA BOMB.17:19
* SDuensin isn't even paid to say that.17:20
schabirizen: The "killer feature" I found is that it told to be able to export to static html.17:20
@rizeni think pretty much anyone here would back up that statement, and only the people with up status are PB employees17:20
@rizenschabi: absolutely, WebGUI runs about 80% of the web infrastructure at the US department of state, and about 60% of their use is to export it to static html and then distribute those files out to their worldwide mirrors.17:21
schabiOk, thanks. I know enough now. I'll have a talk with the rest of our staff, and maybe we can make an exception. But that's not guaranteed...17:24
SDuensinIt's worth it.  Trust me.  I strayed...once.17:24
@rizenschabi: if they need extra convincing, we do have free webinars. contact info@plainblack.com to set one up17:24
SDuensinCSS is like a puzzle with only half the pieces.17:26
wgGuest37I did a google search for webgui templates. The link looked good, but brought me to the splash page. Now it works. 17:27
schabiHmm. I'll definitely have a closer look at it, maybe I'll use it for my private homepage. Thank you all...17:28
BartJolOh can I submit an RFE for a GCI (graphical CSS interface)17:28
schabiBut I cannot promise that we'll use it at work. :-(17:29
BartJolright clicking on an object select "change CSS for this object" or "change CSS for this object type"17:29
BartJolthat would awsome, but hardly feasable17:29
@rizenschabi: can i ask where you work?17:30
BartJolWebGUI site setup comes a bit in this direction though17:30
schabirizen: it's a small software development company in Switzerland, Logical Tracking and Tracing.17:31
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@rizenschabi: cool. though not in Switzerland specifically, WebGUI has a strong presence in Europe17:33
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@rizenin fact, as i look at the list of people in IRC right now Bernd_ BartJol xdanger are all from Europe, maybe others as well17:34
BartJolI deny everyhing17:36
@rizenOf course you do, you're Dutch.17:36
BartJolyeah, I'm living the poldermodel life17:37
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+perlDreamerNice bug catch, BartJol ;)18:01
BartJolyeah, I'm insanely proud!18:03
+perlDreameror at least, just insane18:05
+perlDreamerhave you got all the new i18n translated yet, or still buried?18:05
+perlDreamerI guess it's time we let you in on the conspiracy18:06
+perlDreamerKoen comes into the channel and tells us when you have dates and parties18:06
+perlDreamerthen, we make a whole mess of i18n in order to keep you busy18:06
BartJoland during the wuc you all just act nice and friendly18:07
+perlDreamerwell, you are large and intimidating18:07
BartJolbut I'm busy translating as you can see in the svn commits that were made18:08
BartJolbut only when I've got time18:08
BartJoland I catched a cold, so I don't have hanovers, just am tired18:08
+perlDreamerwell, nothing is better for a cold than some chicken soup, a little red wine, and some i18n translation18:10
BartJolah18:12
BartJolwell, I'm visting some friends tonight (not via a WebGUI site, but real life)18:13
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BartJolso no i18n tonight for me18:15
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BartJolwell, perlDreamer I will have to get my revenge somewhere, who came up with that plan?18:23
+perlDreamerJust who do you know that is sneaky and devious like that?18:24
BartJolSarah?18:24
+perlDreamerNo, Sarah is the dear lady who lets you sleep on her couch and streak through her house18:28
BartJolyeah, but she likes the streaking part18:29
BartJolthan it must be JT, he hates me the most I suppose18:29
+perlDreamerIn 7.5, is there supposed to be a button in the Add Field dialog box to save your data?18:30
BartJollike in thingy?18:30
+perlDreameryes18:30
+perlDreamerI hit the Add Field button18:31
+perlDreamerand a little dialog box pops up18:31
BartJolyeah18:31
+perlDreamerbut there's no "save/submit" button18:31
BartJolthat's a bug18:31
BartJolit has been reported I think18:31
+perlDreamerI'll check18:31
BartJolI saw it and didn't report18:31
@rizenBartJol: how could you think i hate you, i've let you stay at my house both times you were stateside18:33
+perlDreamerBartJol, it was reported and fixed18:33
+perlDreamerbut apparently only in 7.6?18:33
BartJolI don't know whether it was backported18:33
BartJolso your saying it's all koen's fault?18:34
+perlDreamerI could not confirm or deny that statement without breaking several international treaties.18:35
BartJolyou both are just pushing me in that direction18:36
BartJolwell, I will be in a car with Koen tomorrow, if an accident happened to happen.... feel guilty18:43
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CIA-41WebGUI: The deprecated use of Graphics::Magick has been eliminated. WebGUI uses19:48
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CIA-41WebGUI: The deprecated use of Graphics::Magick has been eliminated. WebGUI uses19:48
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CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8679 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm): - fixed: a bug in Crud where keys being updated would cause a crash19:48
CIA-41WebGUI: yung * r8680 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Matrix.pm Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): Fixed some Matrix bugs19:48
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+perlDreamerokay, i give20:24
+perlDreamerHow do you enter data into a thingy?20:24
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apeironperlDreamer, You should see an 'add $thingname' link.20:26
+perlDreameryup.  Added a thing20:26
+perlDreamermade a field20:26
+perlDreamernow I want to add data20:26
apeironperlDreamer, You should see a link on the page for the thing that you added that says 'add $thingname'20:30
+perlDreamerah, okay20:31
+perlDreamerthanks apeiron!20:31
apeironnp20:31
apeironI got really confused when first playing with thingy. Named my first thing 'thingy'.20:32
+perlDreamerme, too20:33
+perlDreamerI'm finding it less than intuitive20:33
@rizenperlDreamer...as you play with it and discover things, please let me know what you find unintuitive (specific items, not "everything"), cuz i do want to make it easier to use20:37
@rizenactually post RFE's for those things20:38
+perlDreamerwill do rizen20:38
+perlDreameris the view screen the same thing as the search screen?20:48
@preactionno, the view screen is a list20:48
@preactionbut the "default screen" can be either20:48
+perlDreamerhow do I get to the view screen?20:48
+perlDreamerah wait I see20:49
+perlDreamerthe view screen has search labels all over it20:49
+perlDreamerWould some kind PB admin please close this RFE?  It was upgraded to bug status21:16
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/910021:17
+perlDreamerrizen, did you read what I mentioned last night about hiding Extra Head Tags for style templates?21:17
+perlDreamercustomDrawMethods are readonly21:17
+perlDreameris there a way to make readonly's act like hiddens?21:18
@rizeni didn't read what you said21:20
@rizenhow about just outputting a i18n string that says "none"21:20
@rizenfor style21:20
+perlDreamerThat I can do21:22
+perlDreamerAfter I commit the 7.5 version, it would be a good idea if you reviewed that code.21:22
+perlDreamerIt's a fairly large core change.21:22
@rizenr u saying you don't trust yourself? you think you're going to break webgui again?21:24
@rizenand why are you committing this to 7.5?21:24
@rizeni thought this was an RFE?21:24
@rizenwas this to fix a bug?21:24
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+perlDreameryeah, it's a bug fix21:48
+perlDreamerand I do trust myself to write something that works21:48
+perlDreamerbut I've had some fixes that you (and others) have wanted done in a different way21:48
+perlDreamerthis is elnino's template extra head tags bug that we talked about yesterday21:49
@preactionprovided there's testing, i shouldn't see a problem with two different ways to fix a bug21:49
@preactionAPI additions should be cleared with the big dawg though21:49
+perlDreamerthis is UI level stuff, so no current tests yet21:51
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@preactionyou could test the definition maybe? i'm not trying to make more work for you, really21:52
+perlDreamerI don't mind writing tests :)21:53
@rizenwhen we were talking yesterday it didn't seem to me that it was a bug21:54
@rizenbut rather something she wanted to have21:54
@rizenand a misconception21:54
@rizenshe was using extra head tags when she should have been using headBlock21:54
+perlDreamerWell, in that case would you please move it from the bug board to the RFE board?21:57
+perlDreamerI mistakenly told her to file it as a bug21:57
@preactioni would believe that a confusing UI (along with a useless UI element) would be a bug21:58
@rizenhere's my concern21:58
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@rizenthe books we've put out have it documented as is21:58
@rizenwhether we classify it as a bug or an RFE is not really as important as that21:59
@rizenso i think the change should only go into 7.621:59
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+perlDreamer7.6 it is22:07
+perlDreamerunless there's more discussion or dissenting opinions22:07
@preactiongoes into 7.6 is fine22:07
@preactionas long as we're not waiting for 7.722:07
+perlDreamerokay, I'll run the last few manual tests under 7.5, then move the patch into 7.6, test again, then commit22:08
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@bopbophi dreamersgirl!22:59
dreamersgirlhey!23:00
@bopbopHappy Turkey day to your family23:00
dreamersgirlgobble gobble23:01
dreamersgirlsame to you!23:01
+perlDreamermaybe we need an all-girls WebGUI user group/channel23:01
dreamersgirlooh23:01
+perlDreamernot that y'all aren't welcome here23:01
dreamersgirlbut who'd keep you guys in line then?23:01
+perlDreamerindeed23:01
dreamersgirl:)23:02
dreamersgirlbopbop:  how's the postcard project coming?23:02
@bopbopwell, I think the teacher must be saving them all for later- my son keeps telling me he has only received four post cards 23:03
@bopbopbut he says they haven't gotten any for a long time23:03
dreamersgirl:(23:03
dreamersgirlwe sent three his way23:03
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@bopbopthey had a sub for a few weeks, and I think she was showing the kids right away, but the actual teacher is saving them- I'm sure there have been more than four23:03
@bopbophe will be thrilled when he actually gets to see them, because he was very excited when I told him about who I had contacted23:04
dreamersgirlthe card said something about the 100th day of school.  Maybe that's the day for it?23:05
@bopbopyeah, the goal was 100 postcards by the 100th day of school23:06
@bopbopso my guess is they'll do a big project w/ it when the time gets closer23:06
@bopbopand all the postcards will be "revealed"23:06
dreamersgirlyou'll have to let us know23:07
@bopbopI will, it should be a fun23:07
@bopbopproject for the kids23:07
@bopbopand thank you for helping us out23:07
@bopbopwe really appreciate it23:07
dreamersgirlhey, you're welcome23:08
dreamersgirlit was a cool project23:08
+perlDreamerone of my favorite things about WebGUI is the community23:08
dreamersgirlI thought about taking the postcard you sent us to the boys' school23:08
@bopbopgo for it23:08
dreamersgirlmaybe one of their teachers would like to do it23:08
dreamersgirl:)23:08
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wgGuest88hi i need help23:22
+perlDreamerwhat problem are you having wgGuest88?23:23
wgGuest88when i use pagination and i go to another page, in the page lose all menu, shorcut, etc23:23
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+perlDreamerwgGuest88, what kind of asset are you paginating?23:24
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wgGuest88i have a question about Cs23:24
+perlDreamerwell, when you paginate a CS, you are no longer viewing the page that the CS was on.23:25
+perlDreamerhave you set the style template for the CS to be the same as for the page it is on?23:25
wgGuest88Hi perrlDreamer23:27
wgGuest88This is the situation23:27
wgGuest88I have a CS inside of page layout23:27
wgGuest88It work ok23:27
wgGuest88But23:27
wgGuest88When the CS have many post show the pagination23:28
+perlDreamerright23:28
wgGuest88But when i choose the page 2 all the assets disappear23:29
+perlDreamerthat's right.  When you choose page 2, WebGUI switches the view from the Page Layout, to only the CS23:29
+perlDreamerIt will not paginate and leave you on the page where you started.23:30
+perlDreamerIt goes down "into" the CS23:30
wgGuest88But, the CS have a style template the same like a page layout23:32
+perlDreamerand you don't see the style template elements on the page?23:38
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+perlDreamerdionak, Do you happen to know if knowmad is around today?23:52
+perlDreamerI'm fixing his Thingy bug, and I have some questions23:52
dionakhe's gone until saturday23:52
+perlDreamerhm, okay.  Thank you.23:52
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CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8683 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Site.pm DomainRecord.pm DomainName.pm MailServer.pm): separate object attachment field into two fields00:21
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CIA-41WebGUI: Remove the headblock property from the Template Asset, and merge00:21
CIA-41WebGUI: it into extra head tags. Style templates are not allowed to00:21
CIA-41WebGUI: have extra head tags.00:21
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miloidrrHi perlDreamer i have a question about CS00:56
miloidrrI would like to make a dinamic Style Sheets whit a CS00:57
miloidrrI have created a CS, and do it a sortcut of this01:00
miloidrrIm calling the shorcut in the head tags with ^AssetProxy(); macro01:00
miloidrrBut it dont works because show the asset id too01:01
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+perlDreamerrizen: You around for a UI question?02:37
@rizencertainly02:37
+perlDreamerI'm looking at this bug:02:37
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/906102:37
+perlDreamerand thinking about a way to add an "Add data to this thing" link to each Thing in a Thingy02:38
+perlDreamerin the manage Things screen02:38
+perlDreamerall the other actions are icons02:38
+perlDreamerso...02:38
+perlDreamer1) Is this bug really an RFE?02:39
+perlDreamer2) If it's a bug what's the best way to make that link?02:39
@rizen1) how about we call it a halvsie and put it into 7.6 even though feature freeze is on02:42
@rizen2) can't you just generate the link the same way that the main page generates the link?02:42
+perlDreamer1) you got it02:43
@rizen1.1) and while we're at it, go ahead and do the rfe's you just posted about the thingy02:43
+perlDreamer2) in the main page, you only get 1 link, to the current active Thing02:43
+perlDreamerin the manage thing interface, I think he wants a link per thing displayed02:44
+perlDreamerI just don't want it to look ugly.02:44
+perlDreamerI did think about doing it with YUI buttons02:44
+perlDreamerbut it would take longer02:44
@rizen2) what i'm saying is, there are pages that already generate all the links you want (just not on the pages you want them on), so just copy the code from each individual page that has the links and put it on the pages you want it on02:45
@rizen2) as far as it taking a while, you're on my dime, implement this in whatever you feel is the "right" way rather than that fast way02:45
@rizenthat is unless the fast way is also the right way02:46
@rizen2) fair enough?02:46
+perlDreamermuy :)02:46
@rizen1.1) deal?02:46
+perlDreamerdeal02:46
+perlDreamerand all this goes into 7.6 only02:46
@rizenyup02:46
Lisettehow to do to print code html in a paydriver?02:46
@rizeni really don't want to put anything that's even borderline into 7.5 at this point 02:47
@rizenbecause we're getting close to the end of life of 7.502:47
@rizeni want it to be rock solid02:47
+perlDreamerIt's january, right?02:47
@rizenyeah02:47
@rizenbut with all the holidays in there, that's really only a few weeks away02:47
+perlDreamerI keep looking at how long the bug list is02:47
+perlDreamerthen I realize that most of them are Bazaar and Helpdesk02:47
@rizeni'll take care of the bazaar ones next week02:48
@rizenhelpdesk is supposedly being worked on by frank and graham02:48
+perlDreamerI'll try to concentrate on buggier bugs for priority after this one.02:48
@rizenalso, frank's looking through resumes to pick up another contractor or two to help with bugs02:48
+perlDreamerI'm sorry they're not getting closed faster.02:49
@rizenthere's a lot there man02:50
@rizenwe already hired two other contractors02:50
@rizenbut one of them petered out02:50
@rizenand the other one we decided to put on another project cuz we're so damn busy02:50
+perlDreamerit's a good problem to have in this economy, rizen02:51
@rizenmy entire staff is at 100% capacity, and we have 3 contractors working nearly full time02:51
@rizeni take that back, we have 5 contractors working nearly full time02:51
@rizenplus you02:51
+perlDreamerwow02:51
@rizeni'm scared for what the economy will bring in january02:52
+perlDreameryou think it's going to crash?02:52
@rizenafter the retail numbers come in the first six months of next year are going to be the worst it's been so far02:52
@rizenthat's my prediction02:53
@rizenthat's also why i'm using a lot of contractor labor right now...don't want to hire someone only to lay them off shortly there after02:54
+perlDreamerthat's very thoughtful of  you02:54
+perlDreamerkind of like not laying somebody off after handing out the Christmas invitations02:54
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CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8689 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (Automat/Customer.pm WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm): bug fixes03:20
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8690 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (4 files): some extra utilities03:20
CIA-41WebGUI: yung * r8691 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist: removing obsolete UserList branch03:20
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8692 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Task.pm DomainName.pm): bug fixes03:20
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+perlDreamerrizen, is Thingy supposed to cross index on keys or values?04:20
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+perlDreamerpreaction: are you familiar wih the Thingy?04:36
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@rizenperlDreamer: what are you asking?04:42
+perlDreamerI made a Thing with a field04:42
+perlDreamerI gave the field 3 values, IT, HR and PHB04:42
@rizenlike a select list?04:42
+perlDreamerthen I added 4 employees, and assigned them each a department (from the list above)04:42
+perlDreameryes04:42
@rizenok04:43
+perlDreamerthen in another thing, I said, Use that department list from the first thing04:43
+perlDreamerand it gives me 4 values04:43
+perlDreamernot the three that I specified04:43
@rizenit's doing the right thing04:43
@rizenwhat you should have done was created a "Department" thing and a "Person" thing04:43
+perlDreamerokay04:44
@rizento do what you are trying to do04:44
@rizenYou typically want to link two things together on something unique like name04:44
@rizenalthough we may need to think about other ways of linking in the future04:44
+perlDreamerOkay, I'll try building it that way.04:48
nubai know theres the thinking of 'even grandma should be able to use webgui'04:51
nubabut maybe it would help having some elemetary DB design theory shipped with thingy04:51
+perlDreamerit would help if Thingy was not a large piece of crap04:52
+perlDreamerit's not fully i18n'ed04:52
+perlDreamerthe hover help is either wrong or missing04:52
+perlDreamerit's difficult to use04:52
nubaif people would at least work on drawing some half-decent entity-relationship diagrams04:52
nubathey would do the work only once on thingy04:53
@rizennuba, how would that work?04:53
@rizenthingy creates new tables on the fly 04:53
@rizeneach "thing" in a thingy is a table04:53
nubaim talking about introducing some concepts of DB in thingy's documentation04:54
@rizenno you just said entity relationship diagrams04:54
nubasomehow leading people to think of things as entities04:54
nubaim not talking about drawing them on webgui04:54
@rizeni didn't think you were04:54
nubai mean pencil and paper04:55
@rizeni thought you were talking about ERDs as documentation04:55
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nubano, more like teaching people to think a bit about entities and relationships in the documentation04:55
@rizenThingy needs some work, but i don't think introducing database terminology is the way to go...i'm thinking using spreadsheet terminology04:55
@rizenmore people use and understand spreadsheets04:56
nubayeah. well, it seems perlDreamer thought of three spreadsheets up there04:57
nubaand it didnt work really well :)04:57
+perlDreameryeah, and perlDreamer kind of understands db's as well04:57
@rizeni'd hereby like you both to s*** t** f*** u*04:58
nubai think he did whats called horizontal partitioning of an entity04:58
nubaoops. okey dokey04:59
@rizenfeel free to keep talking, i was just kidding04:59
@rizenhowever, i'm going to stop contributing to this conversation, cuz i have to make some dinner05:00
@rizenbbl05:00
nubal8r05:00
nubai just found that today: http://www.presicient.com/classdoc/05:00
nubamentioned at http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=63354905:00
nubafor generating nice documentation05:01
nubatrying to find something to output UML diagrams out of webgui05:01
nubato make getting a good big-picture view of the codebase easier05:02
nubaactually, its 'out of webgui code', not out of webgui05:02
nubatheres UML::Class::Simple which outputs things like http://perlcabal.org/agent/images/ppi_big.png05:03
nubabut its ugly05:04
+perlDreamernuba, do you have a copy of 7.5 out of SVN handy?05:08
CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8695 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 05:08
CIA-41WebGUI: Internationalize a Thingy template05:08
CIA-41WebGUI: Add a link from the manage screen back to the default view.05:08
nubayeah05:10
nubai mean, i've synced my local svk repo with pb's05:11
nubai have here everything that happened since 7.6.0 was released05:11
+perlDreamerI think I've found a bug in 7.5.35, which isn't released yet.05:14
nubaoh, oops, not really, sorry. im mirroring only /plainblack/WebGUI05:15
nubanot the branches05:15
+perlDreamerokay, thanks anyway05:15
+perlDreamerI'll be right back05:16
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CIA-41WebGUI: Made Asset/Flux integration let Admin always view/edit assets10:19
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Lisettehow to do to print code HTML from a paydriver18:38
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Lisetteanyone know how to do to print code HTML from a paydriver20:57
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Bernd_Not much going on today.21:21
Bernd_Where are all the people?21:22
@rizenit's Thanksgiving in the US21:22
@rizenwhich is a national holiday21:22
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8702 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 21:23
CIA-41WebGUI: bug fixes21:23
CIA-41WebGUI: added domain search21:23
Bernd_Ah! And that is why you are at work?21:23
Bernd_No one disturbing...21:23
Bernd_Everything calm...21:23
Bernd_Deadline tomorrow?21:23
nubahave a good thanksgiving!21:24
@rizeni'm actually at home, but working21:25
Bernd_You, too!21:25
@rizentrying to finish up a project21:25
Bernd_Although we do not celebrate Thanksgiving in Germany.21:25
Bernd_I believe it is overestimated :-)21:25
Bernd_rizen, is that the burden of running a company?21:25
@rizenThanksgiving is very much an American tradition, so no wonder you don't celebrate it.21:26
@rizenit is one of many burdens of running a company...but i wouldn't trade it21:26
Bernd_That is not entirely true.21:26
Bernd_We do have "Erntedankfest" as well.21:26
Bernd_It is just not that important.21:26
Bernd_More a religious thing.21:27
Bernd_Not that much of a family day.21:27
Bernd_rizen, does that mean you would recommend to run your own company?21:28
Bernd_Lots of freedom?21:28
Bernd_Like working on Thanksgiving whenever you want ;-)21:28
Bernd_I apologize. I am being mean.21:28
Bernd_I hope you are still motivated and in a good mood,21:28
@rizenthink of it this way, running your own company means that it is in your hands whether you succeed or fail21:29
@rizenit's not that you have so much freedom21:29
Bernd_But does it not take too much of your time?21:29
@rizenit's just that you control your destiny21:29
Bernd_I mean, when do you live?21:29
@rizenoh it takes a tone of time21:29
Bernd_When is the time to enjoy?21:29
nubaheh21:29
@rizenton21:29
@rizenrunning this company *is* living21:30
nubai suppose he's kinda alive right now21:30
@rizenbecause it is creating something21:30
Bernd_That's good thinking.21:30
Bernd_Sounds like a lot of enthusiasm.21:30
@rizenbut i still take time to do fun stuff. canoeing, playing games, watching movies, going out to eat, taking walks, etc21:30
Bernd_And I could not agree more: WebGUI is something.21:31
Bernd_I think you can be proud of it.21:31
Bernd_Just not Thanksgiving :-)21:31
@rizeni'm always proud of it, but never happy with it21:31
@rizenthat's what keeps me working on it21:31
Bernd_Good for us.21:31
Bernd_So enjoy finishing your project.21:32
@rizenlucky for me, it's finished21:32
Bernd_Is it ok for you if I opt not to work on WebGUI on Thanksgiving?21:32
@rizenthat's the commit that just went by21:32
@rizenhehe21:32
@rizenyeah...go have a beer or something21:32
Bernd_Happy Thanksgiving then!21:32
@rizenthat's what i'm about to do21:32
@rizenhappy thanksgiving21:32
Bernd_We are going to watch a movie.21:32
Bernd_Can't leave the house with my daughter sleeping.21:32
Bernd_Enjoy your beer!21:33
nubaBernd_: what do you call the 9am-to-5pm hours?21:33
Bernd_That is only after 6 p.m., of course!21:33
nubazombie time?21:33
Bernd_nuba, we actually call "nine to five" as well.21:33
Bernd_There is no German equivalent.21:34
Bernd_But why call it zombie time?21:34
nubanon-alive21:34
nuba:D21:34
Bernd_Oh, I see.21:34
Bernd_You seem to be happy with your job :_)21:34
Bernd_Well, going to quit for today.21:35
nubahah no, its youve implied theres only life in the afterhours21:35
Bernd_Let us continue that discussion tomorrow.21:35
nubaim self employed right now, no 9-to-5 schedule21:35
Bernd_My wife is waiting.21:35
Bernd_Good night!21:36
nubahave lively fun21:36
Bernd_:-)21:36
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BartJolperlbot: why is it so quiet?23:18
perlbotI already have an entry for why23:18
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davefStupid question... Changed my admin password and now I cannot see the "New Content" panel on the side and the edit/copy/x icons are missing06:00
+Radix-wrkyou logged out/logged in since?06:11
davefyes and rebooted06:22
davefchecked logs and didn't see anything unusual06:24
+Radix-wrkSo you can still log in, and turn admin on?06:25
davefyes06:25
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+Radix-wrkwierd...  forced a hard refresh of your browser?06:25
+Radix-wrkcleared cache, etc?06:26
davefIE/Firefox and another location all together06:26
+Radix-wrkIs Spectre running?06:26
davefyes06:26
davef0 workflows 0 shed tasks06:27
+Radix-wrkCan you see the asset manager?06:28
davefyou can logon if you like, just a dummy site and will be moved06:28
+Radix-wrksure - pm me the details and I'll take a look06:28
+Radix-wrksounds really odd tho06:29
davef216.211.70.17206:29
davefpass default06:29
+Radix-wrkHmm.. turn admin on and log out are overlaid over the top of each other on this site for me06:31
+Radix-wrkhttp://216.211.70.172/home?op=switchOnAdmin works.. though new content is empty06:31
davefwhen I created the site i made 2 users06:31
davefgave both admin06:32
davefthis is what i was getting, so i was using admin.06:32
+Radix-wrkcheck your webgui.conf file for this site.. perhaps it's been trashed somehow?06:32
davefshould it be in /data/webgui/etc/06:35
davefthere is a webgui.conf.original06:36
davefand a bigbang.conf06:37
davefsomething else I noticed was the login history times are out of wack06:38
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+Radix-wrkdavef, could you post the contents of the bigbang.conf file to the webgui pastebin above and give us the link?06:44
davefdone06:45
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davefhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m6154779606:47
+Radix-wrkseems in order.. hmm06:50
+Radix-wrkyou might have to ask rizen_ or wait for one of the other PB guys to get online to help.. I'm afraid it's boggled me06:51
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davefnice to  hear :)06:51
+Radix-wrkyou sure the permissions are set correctly for all of the /data dir?06:51
@rizenwas there a question that went with the paste?06:52
+Radix-wrkYeah, he's getting nothing in 'New Content' bar when he switches to admin + admin on06:52
+Radix-wrksite at: 216.211.70.17206:52
+Radix-wrklogin with admin/123qwe06:53
+Radix-wrkno edit/copy/cut/etc either06:53
davefjust changing permissions to 777 on that folder06:53
@rizenwhat version are you running06:54
@rizenah, 7.506:54
+Radix-wrksion:7.5.33-stable06:54
+Radix-wrkdavef: what's coming up in the webgui.log file?06:55
@rizenthere's a hell of a lot wrong with that site06:56
davefit's a 11mb  log...06:56
@rizenno toolbar icons, no context menu's, no new content06:56
@rizendavef do this06:56
@rizenturn admin off06:56
@rizentype:06:56
@rizentail -f /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log06:57
@rizenclick "turn admin on"06:57
@rizenand see what entries are added06:57
@rizenjust by turning admin on06:57
davefk give me a sec06:57
davef2008/11/27 22:37:04 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site BigBang.conf at http://BigBang:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 Can't connect to BigBang:80 (Bad hostname 'BigBang')07:00
davef2008/11/27 22:39:57 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site BigBang.conf at http://BigBang:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 Can't connect to BigBang:80 (Bad hostname 'BigBang')07:00
+Radix-wrkno spectre then07:00
+Radix-wrkI'd add bigbang to your 127.0.0.1 entry in the /etc/hosts file07:01
davefjust saw that 07:01
@rizennot having a working spectre is a problem of the "other"07:01
davefspectre page now showing status07:04
davefhosts updated07:04
davefmight have to stop/start network to refresh07:06
@rizeni've never seen a problem like this07:08
@rizeneverything appears to be in order07:08
davefMight be easier to do a redo...07:09
davefI'm on Centos 5.2 if that makes a difference?07:09
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8704 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns/ (t/001_basic.t Changes): Changed a test that requires a network to skip if a network is not available.07:09
CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8705 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Add POD and Plain Black legal notice.07:09
@rizenit's almost like you have a ui level problem07:09
CIA-41WebGUI: colin * r8706 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.t Survey/SurveyJSON.t Survey/SurveyResponse.t Survey): 07:09
CIA-41WebGUI: Build Survey2 tests. Each survey2 module has at least a basic07:09
CIA-41WebGUI: load test, and the SurveyJSON module has many more tests in07:10
CIA-41WebGUI: it, testing new, log, newSection, newQuestion, newAnswer and07:10
CIA-41WebGUI: newObject.07:10
davefeven before i changed the theme the 2 users could not edit07:10
davefI did a complete update of the server before installing07:11
@rizencentos has nothing to do with it, that's what we build the WRE on and it works fine07:11
davefThis is not a production server and was made just for this.07:11
@rizenand we deploy out to RHEL 507:11
davefah07:11
davefWell thanks for the help and I will try a reinstall07:13
@rizenthis is a fresh install?07:13
@rizenis it using the WRE?07:13
davefyup07:13
davefyup07:13
@rizendid you do an "automatic" or "manual" install of WebGUI?07:13
@rizenduring the wre setup07:13
davefmanual07:14
@rizenany reason for that?07:14
davefnot sure07:14
daveftry automatic?07:14
@rizeni think so07:14
davefworth a shot07:14
@rizeni really can't see a reason for this problem07:14
@rizenexcept if somehow the install got borked07:15
davefchecked though the forums for this problem07:15
davefand nobody else has07:15
davefjust me .... :)07:15
@rizenyeah, like i said, i've never seen this before, and i've seen literally *everything*07:15
+Radix-wrkyeah, I've never seen it before either07:15
+Radix-wrkrizen would be the one to see it if it's possible :)07:15
davefthanks again for the help and I will try the automatic next time07:16
@rizensorry we couldn't be more help07:16
davefno problem 07:16
davefnight07:16
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+MrHairgreasequestion: how do I instanciate an asset that is still under a version tag and has no previous revisions?17:30
+MrHairgreasenewByDynamicClass doesn't do it17:30
+MrHairgreasewhich is due to new calling getCurrentRevisionDate17:30
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juanI have updated my WebGUI from 7.4.40 to 7.5.34 and i have a problem with the data.  when i see the site without edit, the acents are ok but when i try to edit something all the acents are with strange characters17:45
juanall now is in utf817:46
BartJolcan you give an example?17:46
juanyes17:46
juanhttp://www.televida.org.co/home/admin-contenido/articulos/podemos-influir-en-los-medios-de-comunicacin17:48
juanin this page for example all the acents are ok17:48
juanbut when i try to edit it all are bad17:49
+MrHairgreaseprolly a charset problem in some template that is being used while editing17:49
BartJolyeah17:50
+MrHairgreasewile you are in edit mode17:50
+MrHairgreaseright click  and select Page info 17:50
+MrHairgreasethat will show you what encoding the page is in17:50
+MrHairgreaseat least in ff17:50
juanyes only occurs when i am in editing mode17:50
+MrHairgreasei know, you just told me17:51
+MrHairgreasewhat i meant is: check the character encoding when you are in edit mode17:51
+MrHairgreaseb/c that's probably what's messed up17:51
juanok17:51
BartJolhis mind isn't as greasy as his hair17:52
+MrHairgreasevery true17:52
+MrHairgreasebut it is as beautiful17:52
BartJolI wouldn't make any statements about that17:52
juanin editing mode the page is encoding in utf817:54
+MrHairgreaseok17:54
+MrHairgreaseand what is it when not in editing mode17:55
juanin utf8 too17:57
+MrHairgreasethen i dunno what your problem17:58
+MrHairgreaseis17:59
+MrHairgreasemaybe it has17:59
+MrHairgreaseto do with some repairs that were done on the db's17:59
+MrHairgreaseyou'll have to check the gotchas and changelog  to see when that was done17:59
+MrHairgreaseor ask Haarg17:59
BartJoltinymce also has an character set defined separately, but also utf-817:59
+MrHairgreaseoh really?18:00
+MrHairgreasethen maybe that's what is borked18:00
BartJollooks that way, it's a iframe18:00
juanhow check that?18:00
+MrHairgreasedunno18:00
+MrHairgreasemaybe bart knows18:01
BartJolI checked it with firebug18:01
BartJolthe tinymce has it's own iframe with a head section that defines a charset18:02
+MrHairgreaseyeah18:02
+MrHairgreasei just saw it]18:02
juanok18:03
juani am going to check18:03
juani don't see anything related to tinymce18:12
juanin the head18:12
BartJolno18:12
BartJolthat's correct18:13
BartJolyou have firebug?18:13
juanyes18:13
BartJolok, click on inspect18:13
juanyes18:13
BartJolor inspect element18:13
BartJolinspect the rich editor box18:14
juanok18:14
BartJolthen you should be able to see an iframe if you select html18:15
BartJolit has quite some elements, so take your time18:15
BartJolthat iframe has it's own head18:15
BartJolit's id seems to be description_formId_ifr18:16
BartJol but I'm not sure whether that is always the case18:17
BartJoldis you find the ifram juan?18:17
juani forget to tell you something before, when i edit the thread only the title and summary have errors18:18
juanthe body is ok18:18
BartJolgrrr18:18
BartJolok18:18
BartJolI'm not sure whether that allows every character18:19
BartJolyou also didn't tell it was a thread18:20
juanin the articles too18:24
BartJolok18:24
+MrHairgreasejuan18:25
+MrHairgreasetry to reproduce on the demo server18:25
+MrHairgreaseif you can replicate it there, post a bug report18:25
+MrHairgreasebe sure to add the steps to reproduce18:25
juanok18:26
juanthe iframe is content_formId_ifr18:26
juannot description18:26
BartJolwell, that would be dependant on the place were the rich editor is placed prolly18:27
juanok18:28
+MrHairgreasedescription is a textarea but tinymce hides that and adds an iframe which contains the editor you see18:29
+MrHairgreaseon form submission the contens of that editor are synced to the textarea18:29
juani am going to test in the demo server18:32
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Lisettehow to do to redirect to another page from a paydriver?19:20
juani have problems with acents in text area and input type text19:38
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r8707 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (ResponseJSON.t SurveyResponse.t): rename test19:52
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+perlDreamerHappy thanksgiving +1, preaction22:26
@preactionperlDreamer: happy thanksgiving indeed! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7243635165296806436&ei=qEouSc_bNZLu-gHftrDtDQ&q=alices+restaurant&emb=122:26
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+perlDreamerThat's funny.  Thanks for sharing, dude.22:39
@preactionit's thanksgiving tradition!22:39
@preactionyou've never heard of Alice's Restaurant before?22:40
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+perlDreamerNope22:43
nubaive heard of her's wonderland, tho22:47
nubaits messy22:47
+perlDreamergotta, scoot.  We're heading to the big city for a concert.22:48
+perlDreamerCatch y'all later22:48
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CIA-39WebGUI: Add tests for insertObject, and a helper method for summarizing the SurveyJSON data structure.07:55
CIA-39WebGUI: Add POD for insertObject. Note that splicing beyond the end of the array will generate07:55
CIA-39WebGUI: a warning.07:55
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CIA-41WebGUI: translation * r8710 /translations/Polish/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server16:40
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CIA-41WebGUI: Test abusing references in getObject.19:38
CIA-41WebGUI: More insertObject testing.19:38
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+perlDreamerwow05:23
+perlDreamerholiday weekend05:23
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CIA-41WebGUI: Add more POD to SurveyJSON.06:53
CIA-41WebGUI: Add some basic tests for getObject, update and remove.06:53
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CIA-41WebGUI: yung * r8716 /branch/yung-thingy-rfe: Creating a branch to work on thingy RFEs11:49
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CIA-41WebGUI: added stat()21:03
CIA-41WebGUI: added a lot more tests21:03
CIA-41WebGUI: fixed a few bugs21:03
@rizenpreaction, the Filesys::Virtual::WebGUI module is complete, we should now be able to tie that into your coolio dav modules22:03
@preactionnice22:03
@rizencomplete with 81 tests22:04
@rizenbut no integration into the asset system yet..so you have to set things up "just right" because the system doesn't know how to manage stuff yet22:05
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8719 /experimental/wgfs/ (lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t): better calculation of mode for stat()22:08
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8720 /experimental/wgfs/lib/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added doug's dav stuff22:08
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8721 /experimental/wgfs/t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t: bug fix22:08
CIA-41WebGUI: jt * r8722 /experimental/wgfs/ (sbin/ftpserver.pl sbin): added ftp server, but it doesn't work..not sure why yet22:08
diakopterPOD incorrect for www_duplicateThing22:47
@rizendiakopter: report a bug22:47
diakopterbugbot: { "add": { "bug": { "version":"SVNHEAD", "report":"POD incorrect for www_duplicateThing", "product":"WebGUI" } } }22:51
@rizendon't make me hurt you22:51
diakopterit was a lighthearted suggestion/wish :P22:53
@rizeni'm sending a heavy handed assassin to your house to kill you with your light hearted suggestion22:55
@rizenyou are so lucky22:59
@rizenyou are *so* lucky22:59
@rizeni just happen to be all out of heavy handed assassins22:59
@rizen=)22:59
@rizen=)22:59
BartJolrizen: need for a big dutch guy?23:00
@rizenthat depends, do you want to go to kansas, or texas, or wherever diakopter lives these days?23:11
BartJolwell, if you pay me23:13
BartJoland if I'm caught I don't wanna go to an american prison23:13
@rizenwe don't send people to american prisons anymore23:14
@rizendidn't you hear? we only send people to illegal foreign prisons now23:14
BartJolah, dutch prison seems a vacation camp in comparison prolly23:15
@rizenmaybe we could send you to a norwegian prison. i here there the maximum sentence is 6 years (even for murder), and there's no lockup, they just send you to an island23:16
BartJolthat sounds reasonable23:17
BartJolany prferences for murder weapon?23:17
SDuensinCan someone give me the 2 cent description of the purpose of the "Shelf" asset?23:17
BartJolproduct are on it23:18
@rizeni only have a $0.25 version23:18
* SDuensin will take it, rizen 23:18
SDuensinHow do I get a product into it?23:18
@rizenok, but you owe my a quarter23:18
BartJolthe typ-o is included23:18
SDuensinSure thing.  :-P23:18
@rizenshelf is like a folder for skus23:18
SDuensin(And, yes, I read the wiki.  It says:  "Shelf-")23:19
BartJolif you have a batch, you can import them from a cvs file23:19
@rizenview the shelf and then add skus below it23:19
@rizenhierarchically in the asset tree23:19
@rizenOR23:19
@rizenthe cooler way to add products to the shelf23:19
@rizenis to create a bunch of skus and assign keywords to them (create them all over your site)23:19
@rizenthen add keywords to the shelf23:20
@rizenany keywords that match, will show up in the shelf23:20
SDuensinThat sounds like exactly what I need.  :-)23:20
SDuensinSo how do I tell the shelf which keywords to import?23:32
@rizenthe keywords field23:33
@rizenjust like all the other assets23:33
SDuensinStop making sense.  :-P23:33
SDuensinSo with the keywords, I can create all my products on another page that's not linked into the menu system and then select what I want shown on shelves elsewhere in the site.  Yes?23:35
@rizenindeed23:35
SDuensinThis is psycho powerful.  I'm happy.23:36
@rizenof course you're happy, you're webgui's biggest fanboi23:36
SDuensinHell yes I am.23:38
SDuensinI like it more than you do.23:38
@rizeni don't like webgui at all23:38
SDuensinI can understand that.  I'll probably join you by Friday.  :-)23:38
@rizeni'm proud of it, but i'm never happy with it23:39
@rizenwhich is why i keep working on it =)23:39
SDuensinThat's all developers, isn't it?  (Except EA who just shipped a PS3 game that can drop to 5 frames a second.)23:39
@rizeni spent all weekend writing this new virtual filesystem for webgui, so you can mount it as a shared drive, and the driver works, but i can't plug it into anything...i must be stoopid23:40
SDuensinI've dreamed of that since I found 5.x.  FIX IT!  :-)23:41
@rizenlick scrote buddy, i don't see you over here spending 30 hours over thanksgiving weekend trying to make this work23:42
@rizeni think it's preactions fault23:43
@rizenhe wrote the dav handler thing23:43
@rizenit's got to be that which is broken23:43
@rizenright?23:43
SDuensinI spent my time over turkey break using your shit.  Building sites!23:44
SDuensinAnd I offered to write your dav thing.  So Nyyyya!23:44
@rizenyou did?23:44
@rizenoh that's right23:44
@rizen you did23:44
@rizenso get on it23:44
@rizenwhere you at beyotch23:44
SDuensinPut it on my list to do for tomorrow.  :-)23:45
@rizeni can't, you have more important stuff to do tomorrow23:45
SDuensinSee?  So quit whining.  :-P23:46
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