WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-11.log

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elninoI have two sites on a single installation of webgui. Any idea why captcha would appear in one and not the other? I thought maybe it was my site design, but "verify your humanity" isn't seen in the underlying html...04:03
elninooh. the versions are stuck..04:05
elninohmm. well, that's not true really. THose are from 9/2204:11
elninoI made the changes today and those version tags went thru correctly as far as I can tell.04:11
elninoIt's funny. I don't see the captcha, but when I submit the form, it says that it was entered incorrectly. even though there is no html code for the captcha field on the page.04:24
elninoI even tried makeing a package of the form that has the captcha and tried importing it into my other site, and it wouldn't import. This site must be hosted. but I'm not getting any error messages. Im watching webgui.log with tail -f04:55
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elninohi I have two sites ona single installation of webgui. Site A has captcha, site B doesn't not. But Site B has it configured. I thought maybe there was a flaw in the deisgn, but there is nothing in the html showing that it's there.  05:37
elninowhen I submit the form, it complains that I didn't enter the right word for captcha. 05:38
elninoI even tried making a package from site A and importing it to site b, and I couldn't even import the package.. and there were no errors in webgui.log . 05:38
elninoHelp? Any ideas what to look at?05:38
elninoI have 7.5.2405:39
elninoboth sites areon the same ip address. does that have anything to do with it?05:40
elninoI see that captcha uses scratch variables.05:41
@Haargcaptcha on what?05:41
elninoa data form asset05:41
elninoI'm even makeing sure that i'm a visitor. Cause I know it doesn't display if I'm a registered user.05:44
elninoI'm sure it's somethign dumb, but it's got me stumped.05:44
elninobtw, what is the default time that queued emails are sent?05:51
elninonever mind, found it in scheduler.05:51
@Haarghave you checked the template?05:54
@Haargthe captcha is a separate template variable05:54
elninowell. both are using the smae template by name, but I didn't look at the actuall code. Good idea. Letme look.05:55
elninoyou got it!  Thanks! I'll have to remember that!05:59
elninoThanks Haarg - I'm now going to sleep well. 06:01
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CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8232 /translations/German/German/Asset_SQLReport.pm: Update from translation server03:16
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knowmadIs anyone tuned in today?22:16
knowmadThat's pretty much what i figured for a Sunday...22:17
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@Haargi'm around for a little22:36
knowmadhey haarg, you still around?22:52
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elninohey! recently discovered the style wizard thingy...  Is there a way to setup some different layouts for the wizard? - didi I miss that chapter in th edeveloper's book?07:50
elninoThe other question I have is, can I setup multiple roots, each being a different subdomain? - is that a redirect in the modproxy?07:55
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@perlmonkey2Anyone else notice that the RFE 'submitted by' sort doesn't really work?17:25
BartJo1perlmonkey2: seems you're right17:27
@perlmonkey2probably sorting on id or something.17:28
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@perlmonkey2If you remove an activity from a site config file, that activity will no longer be ran when the workflow is, right?  And when the site is upgraded, that activity won't be magically readded?17:58
BartJo1no, I think not17:58
BartJo1the new config isn't copied over the old one17:59
BartJo1but if it's called you will get errors in your llog I think17:59
BartJo1if it's included in the hourly18:00
BartJo1or something like that18:00
BartJo1can't you remove it from the workflow?18:00
BartJo1then, you don't have to disable it18:01
BartJo1sounds like a kill -9 where a kill works too18:01
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@rizenperlmonkey2: the listing in the config is only for the workflow activities available to be added to workflows18:54
@rizenremoving it from the config will NOT stop it from being run18:54
@rizenyou actually have to remove it from any workflows it's part of to do that18:54
@perlmonkey2rizen: okay, that makes a lot more sense.18:56
+perlDreamerknowmad has a good headshot18:57
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8233 /branch/frank: WebGUI branch for frank to develop WebGUI features to be added to WebGUI once they've been tested18:59
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8234 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Ticket.pm Wobject/HelpDesk.pm): HelpDesk assets and Tickets can now be properly purged from WebGUI18:59
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8235 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm: Fixed a grammar error in an error messaage18:59
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@rizenperlDreamer: i know you asked for 1000 pictures. here's a start: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=66383&id=565308834&ref=share19:39
@rizensomebody else's pics19:39
@rizeni'll post mine this week sometime19:39
SDuensinHey rizen 19:39
@rizenhey sd19:40
SDuensinWebGUI needs to do SMTP/IMAP.  I hate setting up mail servers.  19:41
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8236 /branch/frank/lib/WebGUI/ (15 files in 6 dirs): initial commit19:41
@rizenyou mean it needs to be an SMTP server?19:41
@rizenrather than use an SMTP server?19:42
SDuensinI mean it needs to be everything I need in one nice box.19:42
SDuensinYep.  Part of my "Project Lazy".19:42
SDuensinSeriously.  At this point, I think it'd be easier to write my own mail server than learn to configure one.  :-)19:42
@rizenno it wouldn't SD19:43
@rizeni guarantee you tha19:43
@rizenif you don't want to configure one, you should just host with PB19:44
SDuensinSays you.  Written one before.  Wasn't that hard.  19:44
@rizenwe provide all that for you19:44
SDuensinPB won't do all the psycho stuff I want to do.19:44
@rizenwriting one that handles everything that it needs to handle, isn't easy19:44
SDuensinAh, but see, that's the catch!  It only needs to handle what *I* want.  :-)19:44
@rizensure just doing straight routing isn't that hard, but there are about 1000 RFC's you need to implement to be a real SMTP server19:44
SDuensinYea, yea, yea.  Take all the fun out of it.19:47
+perlDreamerrizen, that page requires a facebook login19:49
@rizeni viewed it without logging in19:49
@rizentry clicking this link first: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=565308834&k=X41T356XV36M5D1GRKZTRU19:50
@rizenmaybe that gives you a session or something19:50
+perlDreameryeah, that's better.19:51
+perlDreamerWhat's the small fuzzy that Gilligan has?19:51
@rizenit's my rat19:52
@rizena fake rat19:52
@rizenbut it's part of the halloween decor at casa smith19:52
+perlDreamernice costume, dude19:53
+perlDreamer$dayJob is exacting revenge for all that idle time19:53
+perlDreamerI haven't had time to do any wG work for weeks19:54
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@rizenthat sucks PD20:10
@rizenSDuensin: your RFE is unjustified and without merit20:11
@rizenand your mommy dresses you funny20:11
SDuensinIt's justified and you dress yourself funny.20:12
SDuensinI didn't see a "Request for fixing annoying things" so I filed an RFE.20:12
@rizenIt's only annoying because you are trying to deprive advertisers of their cash20:13
@rizenand if you are20:13
@rizenthen you shouldn't use the WebGUI advertising feature either. =)20:13
SDuensinI'm the advertiser.  Maybe I'm trying to prevent invalid impressions?  Hmmmm?  :-P20:14
@rizenIf you're an advertiser why are you using an ad blocker?20:14
@rizendo you live in bizarro world?20:14
SDuensinWhat do you think?  :-D20:15
@rizenI'm going to reject your RFE based upon this conversation.20:15
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CIA-6WebGUI: fixes to DataTable form control20:24
CIA-6WebGUI: removed stupid configuration and added some necessary ones20:24
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@perlmonkey2What about a rss asset that had plugins for all appropriate assets to grab rss entries from.  This asset would contain feeds and feeds would be groups of asset URLS from which to get the RSS data form.  You would get the rss feed by going to the rssAsset&feed=TheCoolFeed 22:12
apeironperlmonkey2, So it'd basically be a planet implementation for one site?22:13
@perlmonkey2apeiron: yes.  This way, no matter how many feeds or assets you are grabbing from, you only have one asset instance added.22:14
apeironperlmonkey2, Sounds interesting. Now the important question: why?22:15
@rizenwhy ask why, drink bud dry22:15
@perlmonkey2apeiron: an easy way to do rss feeds22:16
@perlmonkey2most of the rss logic can be stored in a single asset, so no duplication of the rss generation or feed auth.22:16
@perlmonkey2else each asset would have to know rss.22:17
@preactionwhy not an Aspect?22:17
@perlmonkey2let me read up on Aspects :D22:17
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topsubi am in WebGUI 7.4.8 and how can i send an message to anotehr user? when i go to inbox i don't have the option to send an inbox message.22:34
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Bernd_Are Aspects in WebGUI related to the Aspect module on CPAN?22:40
Bernd_Or is there another good starting point?22:44
Bernd_I mean, for reading.22:44
@preactionClass::C3 and WebGUI::AssetAspect22:46
@preactionthe WebGUI::AssetAspect::Installable is a simple one, if you want an example22:48
Bernd_I am going to have a look at it!22:49
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8246 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: allow updates via form post23:51
@rizenDon't listen to preaction, WebGUI::AssetAspect::Comments is the only aspect worth looking at23:53
@rizenpreaction, we're going to have to have an Aspect-off23:53
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@preactionComments is bigger, more awesome, and more complex, and so harder to see what's happening23:59
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@preactionon the other hand, Comments has an implementing class (Wiki)23:59
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@rizenActually, I was thinking more of a contest to see who can build the cooler aspect00:02
@rizenthough, i've already come up with about 100 features to add to the comment aspect00:03
@perlmonkey2preaction: can you explain the AssetAspect::Comments::get comments call?  $self->next::method('comments')  Is the next::method sending the call back to the object using the aspect?00:08
@preactionperlmonkey2, check the Class::C3 docs for what next::method does00:09
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slickwarehey, Jamie, you still in here?00:11
@perlmonkey2preaction: so next would send the call to the next inherited class, Asset.  But Asset doesn't have a 'comments' method.00:14
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@preactionperlmonkey2, it detects that and doesn't cause an error00:15
@preactionat least, i hope00:15
@perlmonkey2reading Class::C3 I think it might00:15
@perlmonkey2If next::method cannot find a next method to re-dispatch the call to, it will throw an exception.00:15
@preactiondunno, JT wrote that aspect00:16
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@rizenperlmonkey2: can you point me to the line number or method name that you're talking about?00:17
@perlmonkey2preaction: yeah, I'm not getting something because that method is called with that param.00:17
@perlmonkey2rizen: sub get in AssetApect::Comments00:17
@perlmonkey2line 21700:17
@rizenyeah, it's not calling a method called "comments"00:18
@rizenit's passing the string "comments" to get()00:18
@rizenin SUPER::00:18
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@rizenit's the same as saying00:18
@perlmonkey2so $self->next::method passes the params to the super of whatever method it is in?00:18
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@perlmonkey2that is craaaazy00:18
@rizennext::method is very similar to SUPER except that instead of calling vertically00:19
@rizenit calls horizontally and then vertically00:19
@perlmonkey2hmm, now the example code in perldoc makes sense00:19
@rizenaspects (in WebGUI) are multiple-inheritance00:20
@rizenand therefore can be a bit confusing00:20
@perlmonkey2yeah, I think I understand enough to really screw something up now :D00:20
@perlmonkey2rizen: but I'm still not entirely sure rss feeds should be aspects tacked onto existing classes.  Single class with plugins to existing assets, or change existing assets to use an aspect?00:22
@rizenonce we get a nice stable of asset aspects built, we should be able to throw together absolutely amazing assets in very little time...just because of the power aspects give us00:22
@preactionthe RSS Aspect is already planned00:22
@perlmonkey2rizen: heh, that has been the promise of OOP since its inception.  I'm still waiting for it.00:23
@rizenperlmonkey2: did you read my dev mailing list post about the death of the collaboration system?00:23
@rizenwebgui asset aspects will bring it about00:24
+perlDreamerDeath to the CS!00:24
@rizenlet's say we wanted to keep the collaboration system, but we just wanted to "aspectize" it00:24
@rizenWebGUI::Asset::Post would be entirely replaced by the Comments aspect00:25
@perlmonkey2I can see them doing that.  And it does seem much sexier to instead of having big heavy Blog asset, having a small light Blog asset that aspects almost all of its functionality.00:25
@rizenThe comments aspect would just be added to Thread00:25
@rizenCS would get the RSS aspect00:25
@rizenboth CS and Thread would get the Subscribable aspect00:25
@perlmonkey2oh man, when you talk like that I get all excited.00:25
@rizenthusly replacing about 400 lines of code in each00:25
@perlmonkey2seems like the most important part (of many important parts) is all assets start behaving much more alike.00:26
@rizenCS and Thread would both get ReplyViaEmail aspect, allowing emails to come in and post to them00:26
@perlmonkey2similiar functionality will *feel* the same, because it is the sam.e00:26
@rizenthat's a big part of it00:27
@rizenthe thing is that whole objects often aren't as reusable as their parts00:27
@rizenand that's where aspects come into play00:27
@perlmonkey2wow....yeah, I can see how cool this is going to be.00:28
@rizenit's going to take some time, but once we have the stable of aspects...webgui assets can and will become a lot more uniform, tested and therefore stable, and easier to build00:29
@rizenwe owe most of this to preaction, who lit a fire under my ass to finally start pushing aspects (cuz he's been pushing the concept for about a year now)00:30
@perlmonkey2should make it easier to move more logic to the client side.  Adding ajax hooks will be a lot simpler.00:31
@rizenwill it?00:31
@rizeni don' t know about that00:31
@rizencertainly some reusable ajax hooks00:31
@rizenbut in general, i think most ajax stuff will be just as it is now00:31
@rizenWebGUI::Crud is in the same vein though00:33
@rizenit's not an aspect00:33
@rizenbut it makes it much easier to build collateral for assets00:33
@rizenand because all collateral will be from a standard base (WebGUI::Crud), all collateral will be more uniform, tested and therefore stable00:34
@rizeni've already built 6 objects on WebGUI::Crud, and it has saved me hours of time because i fix a problem in one place and it fixes it in all 6 objects00:34
@rizennot to mention the test suite keeps me informed of how the changes I make to crud impact things00:35
@perlmonkey2wow crud has really changed since I last looked at it.  It is huge00:36
@rizenhas it?00:36
@perlmonkey2yes, it was just a few methods last I looked at it.  Now its 942 lines of code with some very interesting helpers00:37
@perlmonkey2updateTable?  Come on, that is just slick.00:38
@rizenthe only thing i don't like about the WebGUI::Crud implementation so far is the join clause in the getAll methods00:39
@rizeni think i'm going to remove that00:39
@rizenupdateTable wasn't there when you last looked at it? man i thought that was there in the very first implementation00:39
@perlmonkey2maybe I missed it.00:40
@perlmonkey2don't know how as it is kind of the heart of the thing00:41
@perlmonkey2rizen: you dont' like the joins?  Why not?00:45
@rizeni don't like that you can throw raw SQL into the joins00:46
@rizenit allows for sloppiness00:46
@rizenmainly in field quoting00:46
@rizeni like joinUsing00:46
@rizenjust not join00:46
@rizeni have a similar problem with the where clause00:47
@perlmonkey2hmm, change the syntax of join then?00:47
@rizeni really like where "fieldname = ?", $value00:47
@rizenlike i have it now00:47
@rizenbut i wish i had a way to auto-quote the field name00:47
@rizeni don't mind having raw SQL in a class like this00:48
@rizeni just want to be able to make it as automatic and as safe as possible00:48
@perlmonkey2I keep running in circles in my head trying to think how abstract that and DBIx::Class et al is what comes to mind.00:49
@perlmonkey2which is way too slow00:49
@rizenperlDreamer i know about that and use it00:49
@rizenbut you can't do 00:49
@rizenquoteIdenetifier("fieldname = ?"00:50
@rizenbecause they can do 00:50
+perlDreamerI _did_ say \s* in there00:51
@rizenfieldname >= this or fieldname < that or fieldname in ('this', 'foo', 'bar')00:51
+perlDreamerthe '>00:51
+perlDreamercharacter won't match00:51
@preactioni hate it00:52
+perlDreamerpreaction, \b is the boundary between \S and \s00:52
@preactiondon't need that then00:52
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: so why won't what you have work for sanitizing?00:53
@preactionor Parse::BooleanQuery maybe?00:53
+perlDreamerpreaction, a more general purpose solution will always be better than my regexp-of-the-day00:53
@rizenfolks you can stop, the answer IS NOT parsing00:54
@perlmonkey2well, there are only so many possible cases.  a short parse tree could be created.00:54
@rizenwe either leave it raw SQL or we make a usable interface to pass in a usable datastructure00:54
@rizenmy goal IS NOT to rebuild DBIx::Class00:54
@rizenor any of the other bs that's out there on CPAN that's both hard to use and slow00:55
@rizenfor now we'll leave it as is, and if we figure out a better way to do it, we'll deprecate the current mechanism and remove it in WebGUI 800:56
@perlmonkey2the join syntax can be narrowed down to a single case00:56
@perlmonkey2just allow left joins00:57
@rizenare you saying just allow left joins with single equality?00:57
@perlmonkey2hmm, but there are a ton of conditionals00:57
@rizencuz i already only allow left joins00:57
@rizenit's the equality issue that is a problem00:58
@perlmonkey2yeah, just realized that00:58
@perlmonkey2and there are quite a few possible conditionals.00:58
@rizeni could very easily say tablename, fieldInTable, fieldInCrud00:58
@rizenand we have a nice usable datastructure00:58
@rizenthat would build00:58
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@rizenleft join tablename on tablename.fieldIntable = crudtable.fieldInCrud00:59
@rizeni'm just not sure if that's good enough for our uses00:59
@rizenpreaction; for the record, these are the same issues i have with the joinClass and other related options in getLineage01:04
@rizenthere's a lot of sanity problems01:04
@rizenquoting, table prefixing, etc01:04
@rizenand in getLineage it's even worse because you also have to account for versioning01:04
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leleleleis it difficult to use this CMS if I don't know Perl? I know only PHP.02:14
SDuensinNot at all.02:16
+perlDreamerTo _use_ WebGUI, you don't really have to know perl at all02:19
+perlDreamerJust the language for the templates02:19
+perlDreamerand macros02:19
SDuensinYep.  Since the WRE hit the scene, it's become MUCH easier!02:20
patspamrizen: I started using crud for something yesterday :)02:25
@rizenoh yeah? and how did you find it to work?02:26
patspamso far so good!02:26
SDuensinCrud?  Like database CRUD?02:26
@rizeni've been using it for a couple weeks now on a special pb project02:26
@rizenhave 6 objects created so far02:26
* SDuensin is trying to learn Thingy.02:26
@rizenthingy should eventually use crud02:27
SDuensinWTF is crud?02:27
@rizenis a new thing in 7.602:27
patspamcool. the only thing I've noticed so far that felt like it was missing was the ability to flag fields as required in definition()02:27
@rizenthat allows you to build database backed WebGUI objects02:27
SDuensinCan you link and stuff like Thingy?02:28
@rizenSD: it's a programmer's tool, not a UI tool02:28
* SDuensin is using 7.5.x, but could be convinced to go bleeding edge. :-)02:28
+perlDreamerSDuensin, think more of a generic object base class that handles db interactions02:28
* SDuensin is a programmer, but he's kinda busy and can't learn WebGUI's API just yet.02:28
+perlDreamerrizen, I need to borrow $600,000 US.02:28
@rizenThingy's backend should eventually use WebGUI::Crud02:28
SDuensinSounds very spiffy.02:28
@rizenperlDreamer: uh....02:29
@rizenpatspam: that's not a bad idea02:29
patspamrizen: love how much boiler-plate code i didn't have to write. crud++02:31
+perlDreamerrizen, okay, how about just $500,000 and I'll give you free rides?02:32
@rizenbuying a helicopter pd?02:32
@rizenor a train?02:32
+perlDreamerNo, a used steam engine02:32
@rizenhow about this, i'll lend you $6, then you just need 100,000 other people to do the same thing. =)02:32
+perlDreamerhm.  Just let me make a quick commit to the PayDriver code02:33
+perlDreamerthat should fix it02:33
@rizenpatspam: yeah, it's saving me an absolute ton of code too...but more importantly, as i've been building these objects it's giving me ideas for additional methods in WebGUI::Crud02:34
@rizenlike the $self->updateFromFormPost() method I added today02:34
SDuensinCrap.  I lost the Things I built.  Wonder what I did?02:35
@rizenSD: that big button that says "DELETE" don't hit that next time02:37
SDuensinI think I somehow had a version tag with no Things in the Thingy and committed that on top the one I was working on.02:37
SDuensinI think.02:37
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SDuensinInteresting.  My missing Things are in the Default Thing dropdown in my empty Thingy.02:42
BartJolso missing is actually misplaced?02:43
SDuensinSeems that way.  Connecting to MySQL now to poke around.02:43
BartJolhow does Thingy show it's empty?02:44
SDuensinWell, before when I went to the page with the Thingy on it, it listed my Things.  Now I just have "Add Thing".02:45
lelelelehow does it supports GUI?02:47
leleleleI mean in website or has windows app for it?02:47
SDuensinInteresting.  I have two Thingy entries in the database that are the same except for the revision date.  That's probably not right.02:48
@rizenlelelele: it's a web app. go to http://demo.webgui.org02:48
@rizencreate a demo02:48
@rizenthen click on the getting started page02:48
BartJolmmm, my server doesn't produce a page, nrestarting services02:48
BartJolif it has done that, I'll try to reproduce SDuensin, I', running 7.6.102:49
SDuensinWould a dump of my Thingy related tables help?02:50
BartJolrestarting takes awfully long....02:50
BartJolmmm, mysql can't connect02:52
BartJolSDuensin: I don't know, it doesn't harm02:52
BartJolbut now I've got mu own problems02:53
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SDuensinWell, BartJol, if you want the dump, lemme know how you want it sent.  It's not super-urgent or anything.02:56
* SDuensin is just hoping to use Thingy to help rule the world.02:57
BartJolmysql.sock is missing02:57
BartJolso I'll try to start or restart02:57
SDuensinBe sure an /etc/mysql/my.cnf didn't slip in.   Dang updates.02:58
BartJolI seem to have a clean server02:59
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BartJolso no other mysql02:59
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leleleleI dont see any GUI.03:06
leleleleOnly a movie.03:06
leleleleSimple menubar in that movie. Simple CMS, dunno where GUI is here?03:06
@rizenlelelele: that movie is telling you how to see a gooey03:06
leleleleI thought it will be javascript.03:07
@rizenin your demo03:07
@rizenlog in03:07
lelelelejust to make feel of GUI in browser.03:07
@rizenusing admin 123qwe03:07
@rizenthen click the "turn admin on" link03:07
@rizenthe movie tells you to do exactly that03:07
@rizenand yes, the GUI is javascript03:07
leleleleI am not so smart03:07
leleleleto see the movie for getting the pass.03:07
leleleleWould be easier to write on 5em those config infos03:08
lelelelefor me as I dont like flash :)03:08
@rizennot possible03:08
@rizenyou set the username and password wehn you create your demo03:08
@rizenif you leave it to the default it is then admin 123qwe03:08
leleleleso how you know my ones?03:08
@rizeni'm guessing you left the default03:08
@rizenbut i can't predict that everyone will do that03:09
leleleleI am logged in .03:09
@rizenclick the "turn admin on" link03:09
@rizenyou said you are logged in03:10
@rizenare you?03:10
leleleleactually I am not sorry.03:10
leleleleadmin 123qwe ?03:10
@rizenif you left the defaults03:11
@rizenthen yes that's the username and password03:11
leleleleCause there are no info about that. Dunno how people know that it is default.03:11
BartJolit is quite findasble on the site03:11
@rizenok lelelele let's start from scratch because i don't think you were paying attention when you created your demo03:11
lelelelewhat you mean about default? Design part? No, I uploaded photo for logo, and changed color.03:11
@rizeni'll give you step by step directions03:11
@rizendon't derivate even a little bit03:11
@rizendo exactly what i say03:11
@rizen1) go to http://demo.webgui.org03:12
@rizen2) click "Create my personal webgui demo"03:12
lelelelerizen : I am logged in03:12
leleleleused your pass 03:12
leleleleI turned admin 0n.03:12
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BartJolwhile restarting mysql, a new socket should be created, right?03:13
@rizenyes bartjol03:14
BartJolmmm, something is awfully wrong then03:14
@rizenis there anything in your /data/wre/var/mysqldata/servernamegoeshere.err file?03:15
@rizenit usually tells you what's wrong03:15
lelelelerizen : works fine03:15
leleleledid you do this CMS?03:15
BartJol081104  2:15:26 [Warning] option 'max_join_size': unsigned value 18446744073709551615 adjusted to 429496729503:15
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@rizenlelelele: yes, i founded it, but many people have worked on it since then03:16
@rizenBartJol: warnings don't count usually03:16
@rizenBartJol: look for serious stuff03:16
SDuensinBartJol - If you check the cnf, it's set to 4294967295.  Go figure.03:16
lelelelerizen: whas is the date of foundation, I want to count birthdays of WebGUI since that date.03:16
lelelelemaybe you remember exact day?03:16
@rizenwebgui is 7 years old03:17
@rizeni started development on it in June 200103:17
leleleleI thought it was new.03:17
@rizenand it's first release to the public is August 16, 200103:17
lelelelenice. So why such small community?03:17
@rizenit's not a small community03:17
BartJolah, can't create a PID file03:17
SDuensinIt's "small" because it doesn't run on $5 web hosts.03:17
@rizenthere are more than 10,000 sites running webgui03:17
leleleleI mean node community.03:17
BartJollelelele: and there's even a dutch guy online03:18
BartJolon this time03:18
leleleleI am LT guy03:18
leleleleso OK what I need to test this .03:18
leleleleLithuania. yes.03:18
leleleleI have Apache.03:18
@rizenWebGUI is primarily used by businesses, not home users03:18
lelelelewhat a difference it is CMS.03:18
lelelelefor me all CMS is just CMS.03:19
leleleleall plenty of not flexibility.03:19
SDuensinIt's the BEST CMS EVER!03:19
leleleleso I am testing them one after another.03:19
lelelelelast time I tested Drupal.03:19
* SDuensin learned the hard way. He strayed. Never again!03:19
leleleleVery annoying one...03:19
leleleleThe hard thing with CMS is that they are not flexible. I found this one in matrix 03:20
BartJollelelele: darn, I'be only been to Estonia03:20
SDuensinI ran Joomla and Drupal.  Bad idea.03:20
lelelelethere were many Yes'es written on it. And that word "GUI" though it is not GUI.03:20
leleleleGUI is win app.03:20
lelelelejavascript can be GUI but many job to do it.03:21
SDuensinDoesn't have to be.03:21
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lelelelebetter java. ;)03:21
BartJolwell, deleting an old webgui and wre tar helped03:21
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BartJolKoen just assigned me not enough disc space...03:21
BartJolnow it work again03:22
* SDuensin cheers for BartJol 03:22
leleleleSDuensin: how you started with WebGUI?03:22
@rizenlelelele: webgui is so powerful that it actually runs the CMS Matrix03:22
lelelelereally 03:22
@rizengo to cmsmatrix.org03:22
leleleleso all those intro page about most clicks is a fake :(03:22
@rizenand do a view source03:22
@rizenyou'll see a meta tag that says the page is generated using webgui03:22
leleleleI found WebGUI from that intro page from those "most clicks".03:23
SDuensinlelelele - I just stumbled on it years ago.  Foolishly tried other programs.  Almost back to 100% WebGUI.03:23
@rizenlelelele: no...we don't touch the site. we just let it run03:23
BartJolACK, awfully cumulated kunbicles?03:23
@rizenwe were the first site on the list, and we have the most clicks because we've been there from day one, and are the best03:23
SDuensinI fell in love with the 5.x series.  6.x had some growing pains.  Now I'm back, baby!03:23
lelelelelet's assume that WebGUI is so powerful and GUI is so good dev'ed that noone needs to come to smth like #drupal-support for asking "how to change theme".03:23
leleleleso that is why we are here only some devs and lovers.03:24
leleleleof WebGUI.03:24
BartJolSDuensin: ok back to your Thingy problem03:24
@rizenlelelele: you'd have to be in the community a while to understand 03:24
BartJolI'll open my db03:25
@rizenthe number of people in an IRC channel does not mean you have a good or big community03:25
@rizenit just means you have a lot of people in IRC or not03:25
SDuensinlelelele, like I said, it takes a bit more power to run WebGUI.  All the kids with $5 a month web hosts can't install it.03:25
SDuensinBartJol - How do you want me to send my dump over?03:25
lelelelerizen: I want to start. I have Drupal configured easily. I configured commercial PHP/MySQL/WinApp easily. Hope my Apache/MySQL server is enough for installing WebGUI?03:25
@rizenlelelele: no, you need the WebGUI Runtime Environment (WRE)03:26
leleleleAlso Perl community forces me to learn Perl not PHP :))03:26
SDuensinYes.  WRE!03:26
lelelelebut that is not the most important :)03:26
Radix-wrkWRE rocks03:26
f00li5hlelelele: still trolling php, i see03:26
leleleleWRE reminds me JRE rofl.03:26
Radix-wrkor even easier.. use the vmware appliance03:26
BartJolSDuensin: I'm studying the tables03:27
leleleleyou mean my output website will have smth like JRE? Without WRE costumers won't see the website?03:27
lelelelef00li5h : wow you are here too.03:27
leleleleGosh, so you are dev of WebGUI?03:28
f00li5hI am everywhere03:28
BartJolhee Radix_ good morning03:28
@rizenlelelele: no: the WRE is a server-side thing...users don't need it03:28
@rizenjust the server03:28
SDuensinlelelele - The WRE is all the software you need to run WebGUI.03:28
Radix-wrkWRE is a preconfigured MySQL, Apache, Perl, Webgui setup - ready to go and optimised03:28
lelelelerizen: ok for my localhost it is ok, what about my ISP?03:28
lelelelehe will not like idea about WRE.03:28
leleleleI mean hosting .03:28
@rizenthen you probably can't run webgui03:28
@rizenthe server runs the WRE03:28
leleleleI see :(03:29
leleleleAnyway for localhost that will be fun to try out.03:29
BartJolSDuensin: did you assign a default Thing?03:29
@rizenlelelele: don't bother installing it, just use the demo03:29
Radix-wrkhopefully soon it'll be as easy as apt-get install webgui (on debian at least)03:29
SDuensinBartJol - Yea03:29
Radix-wrkBartJol, morning :)03:30
@rizenlelelele: what do you want to see by installing it that you can't figure out by using the demo?03:30
SDuensinRadix-wrk - That would make my day.03:30
Radix-wrkSDuensin, mine too :)03:30
lelelelerizen: I begin thinking that WRE is smth like PHP (server side).03:31
@rizenyes lelelele 03:31
BartJolSDuensin: if you can give me some rows of Thing and the Thingy that holds it, that might give me some starting info03:32
BartJolsay limit 10 on th e first one03:32
SDuensinI dumped just the Thingy-related stuff.  It's short.  Like 12k.03:32
BartJolkeep in mind that it's half past 2 here03:32
BartJolin paste bin?03:32
lelelelerizen: WRE is a language like PHP? Or just menubar CMS?03:32
leleleleBartJol: in my place it is half past 403:33
@rizenWRE= Perl + Apache + MySQL + Image Magick 03:33
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BartJollelelele: I know03:33
@rizenlelelele: http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/the-case-for-the-wre03:33
lelelelewhat about security rizen?03:34
SDuensinBartJol - http://webgui.pastebin.com/m31b7600203:34
leleleleI mean big number operations (shutting down server). 03:34
lelelelePHP handles it by default don't allow too much for scripters.03:34
lelelelePerl has sandboxes like Java do?03:34
BartJolfound it03:34
BartJolthe dump that is03:34
SDuensinlelelele - mod_perl has limits like mod_php.  It won't run off with your server.03:34
BartJolnot the problem03:35
lelelele0k. I assume it is very good thing.03:35
SDuensinlelelele, WebGUI makes everything else look like a toy.03:36
SDuensinLike rizen said, create a demo account and play with it.03:36
f00li5hrizen: well, i'm convinced ;)03:36
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dionaki've been convinced by the wre too. it makes it super simple to setup webgui, as rizen mentions in his post03:38
SDuensinFirst time I set up WebGUI, I *compiled* *everything*.  Talk about "fun"!03:39
Radix-wrkheh.. been there, done that too ;)03:39
Radix-wrkI went to great lengths to set up a debian server with webgui - worked great, except I remember getting wierd errors that PB couldn't duplicate.. not big ones, but wierd.  Some interaction of perl modules of differing versions caused it.  Since switching to the WRE everything has been rock solid stable.03:41
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SDuensinI run WRE on Ubuntu.  It's a rock.  (Which is the opposite of a brick.)03:42
Radix-wrk[root@webgui ~]# uptime03:43
Radix-wrk 10:42:39 up 172 days, 21:33,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.0103:43
SDuensinYea.  Mine is like 6 hours.  I updated the OS today.  :-)03:43
Radix-wrknot too bad.. think the last time I shut it down was when we reorganised the server room03:43
lelelelespeed.... what about speed comparing PHP/MySQL running Apache, and WRE/MySQL/Perl website/database?03:44
lelelelein percents please. My company website is pretty slow with Apache/PHP/MySQL.03:44
Radix-wrkActive Sessions:84003:44
SDuensinCan't provide percents.  Depends too much on your machine, OS, etc.03:45
@rizenlelelele: it's not enough to just say perl vs php. because the code running it is different03:45
SDuensinBut it's fast.  I run about 18 sites on a low-end server.03:45
BartJolmmm, SDuensin, I'm afriad it will cost me some time on a more awake and sober moment to work this out, but at the moment the only thing I see that a Thingy_3VuQpp2ZL7Mr5RyLIR7pag is created but, I don't see a relation03:45
Radix-wrkhow can you compare speed realistically?03:45
@rizenlelelele: what i can tell you is, that WebGUI runs 300% faster on the WRE than it does on native Apache, MySQL packages that come with Red Hat Enterprise Linux03:45
SDuensinBartJol - Just not sure what caused it to happen.  It was fine.  I committed a version tag and it blew up.03:46
lelelelewow rizen, amazing numbers.03:46
BartJolhow's your disc space, it solved my problems 10 minutes ago :)03:46
SDuensinrizen - Red Hat *finally* fixed their annoying Perl bug.  About time.03:47
@rizenSD yeah, i read about that03:47
SDuensinLast time I ran Red Hat was before the big change to libc.  That's been forever!03:48
@rizenlelelele: one other thing to consider. a Plain Black employee can install WebGUI using native packages in about 2 hours. or can install WebGUI using the WRE in about 7 minutes03:48
lelelelerizen: I still dont like admin panel.03:48
SDuensinlelelele - Why?03:48
leleleleit is not fast for company to use admin panel online. Why dont you make app for windows?03:49
leleleleand then export/update database online.03:49
SDuensinBecause a huge part of the world can't stand Windows.  :-)03:49
Radix-wrknot everyone uses windows03:49
@rizenlelelele: because that only covers windows03:49
@rizenthen we'd need to build an interface for mac, linux, iphones, blackberry's, etc03:50
SDuensinI'm guessing Windows is the minority here.  :-)03:50
@rizenthat's a lot of work03:50
Radix-wrkI like being able to log into the website from anywhere in the world on any pc and be able to edit/update the website, publish changes, etc03:50
BartJolSDuensin: my thingy doesn't seem to create a Thingy_id table03:50
SDuensinRadix-wrk - Agreed.03:50
SDuensinBartJol - That dump is from
Radix-wrkin fact we have users all over the world who do that for our website03:51
SDuensin31?  30?03:51
leleleleany CMS does the same `being able` from any place in the world.03:51
BartJolmmm, I don't have a site I can't fiddle around with from that version03:51
BartJolonly have 7.6.103:51
lelelelefor company the speed of database changing is important too. 03:52
leleleleSure it is not a problem, as we admins can easily make it on localhost and export database.03:52
lelelelebut it is not meant to be so.03:52
Radix-wrklelelele, but as soon as you force people to install an application to be able to edit it, then it provides an entry requirement and locks people out03:52
SDuensinIs your connection that slow, lelelele?  Why do you want it local?03:52
Radix-wrkand makes it harder to change on the fly03:52
SDuensinIt WebGUI required Windows to use it, I'd not be here.03:53
Radix-wrkneither would PB ;)03:53
BartJoloh, and prolly I will will be bothering you tomorrow night too, I'll try to stay awake during elections03:53
Radix-wrkthey all use macs there from what I've seen03:53
@rizenlelelele: if you're looking for something that installs local then webgui isn't for you03:53
SDuensinI use a Mac laptop, but that's for the UNIX, not the GUI.03:53
SDuensinMy new business is based entirely on Linux and WebGUI.03:54
* SDuensin has Gooey sitting on a speaker watching him work.03:54
* Radix-wrk wonders where his Gooey dolls are.03:54
lelelelerizen : I have nice database win app, and I compare all CMS (1Mgbit connection) with my PC database in winapp.03:54
leleleleBelieve me the speed of changing database is just as comparing lightning with dunno what.03:55
@rizenlelelele: that's fine, webgui isn't for everybody03:55
@rizenlelelele: webgui is the best cms out there for more than 10,000 businesses, but it may not be the best cms for your business03:55
leleleleNo I still use company website with PHP/MySQL. 03:55
leleleleit would be best if we re-programmed  old website.03:56
leleleleBut it is total impossible... we using tables and many programmed modules.03:56
SDuensinI wish I knew what I did to the Thingy.  I really want to use it.03:56
leleleletoo expensive to program new modules on Perl.03:56
BartJolsorry SDuensin, I feel my eyelids dropping down03:57
BartJoldarn gravity03:57
SDuensinBartJol - That's fine BartJol.  Go rest!  :-)  I can just delete and start over.03:57
SDuensin(And be more careful!)03:57
BartJolwith what?03:57
BartJolor thingy?03:58
SDuensinThingy.  Delete them.03:58
BartJolI don't really use them (yet)03:58
Radix-wrkSo on different topic... We've got a famous horse race going on in Australia in a couple of hours.. and I understand there's a similar horse race going on in the USA soon too? :)03:59
BartJolhorses? We only have cow and other cattle races04:00
Radix-wrkheh.. we race everything here.. even cane toad races04:00
* SDuensin has no idea04:00
BartJoldo horses also have those build-in handbags, like all australian animals?04:01
BartJolarg, my sense off humor is deteriorating04:01
@rizenbartjol: do you have a sense of humor?04:02
lelelelerizen: WYSIWYG editor is superb. Javascript tabber principle is my favorite idea for CMS.04:03
BartJolrizen: yeah, I do, only yours is so bad, that you don't notice, almost a female-male miscommunication04:04
lelelelepretty fast loading images from javascript.04:04
BartJolunfortunately, I would be the female...04:04
@rizenbartjol: i had mine surgically removed at birth04:04
BartJoland you try to judge mine?04:04
BartJolin the netherland, we have a proverb for it04:05
BartJolit's schoenmaker, blijf bij je leest04:05
BartJolwhich means something like04:05
BartJolshoemaker, stay with your shoe making tools04:06
BartJolso "rizen: shut up and start programming would be a good equivalent"04:07
BartJolrizen: you looked really qute in your joker outfit04:08
leleleleBartJol: how much did you smoke today?04:08
leleleleyour Netherlands proverbs seems to be made from smoking narcotics.04:09
BartJolonly plain tabacco04:09
leleleleI smoked tabacco too but I am not so rude.04:09
leleleleAre you m/f?04:09
BartJollelelele: no we sell everything to france people to keep them a bit relaxed04:09
@rizenBartJol is not rude, he's my wife's Dutch boyfriend04:10
BartJoland I try to adjust to rizens way off talking, so he understands04:10
leleleleI see.04:10
leleleleThey are smart too.04:10
BartJolyeah, that's a very usefull remark... Denmark04:11
BartJolnow I'm getting rude04:11
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BartJoland I type too much for being stoned, and believe me, I've got experience04:12
leleleleDutch == Denmark, what's wrong bart?04:12
@rizenDanish == Denmark04:13
@rizenDutch = Holland04:13
BartJolor even better "the Netherlands"04:13
leleleleWhat a difference, I heared in Netherlands they are mostly from Holland.04:13
leleleleEven speak Dutch language mostly.04:14
lelelelewhoops or maybe I misunderstood the words.04:14
BartJollelelele: you might, it's a quarter past 4 for you04:15
BartJoland you type quite good for this time04:15
lelelelemust sleep:(04:15
leleleleno really I mistype too much.04:15
BartJolI'm free tomorrow04:15
leleleleI not only chat with you but also try to test demo online of WebGUI04:15
lelelelehard to concenctrate04:15
leleleleno need04:15
leleleleI just tested04:16
leleleleit is not for me sadly.04:16
leleleleI will concentrate on making my own php CMS...04:16
leleleleI feel to bad in all CMS'es...04:16
leleleleMy ideas too many for any CMS out there. Every idea has to add some functions...04:16
leleleleetc u know...04:17
BartJolsome people here might consider PHP as a curse around here04:17
leleleleok see you04:17
leleleleno not really04:17
BartJolI don't04:17
lelelelePerl would be good too but I am newbie04:17
leleleleso began on PHP...04:17
BartJolhee, I'm a newbie, don't have php experience 04:18
lelelelei was total newbie just 2008-05-1504:18
leleleleon that date I decided to know what does all words like HTTP/CSS means04:18
BartJolthat;s a year or 2 less than me04:18
leleleleand at the moment I pretty much tested, even ran calculator in JRE JAVA environment04:18
lelelelesome Python scripts. PHP becomes comfortable. HTML tags easy.04:19
leleleleI mean it is easy to learn nowadays.04:19
leleleleNo need of school. Only one bad thing is IRC.04:19
leleleleBut communication is the key of success :)04:19
BartJoland I am just learning to program (coo)l stuff04:19
leleleleI will catch you .04:19
@preactioni've always felt that dedication and hard work are the keys to success04:19
leleleleactually they are.04:20
leleleleBut for newbie.04:20
BartJolmost work for me was with tranlating04:20
leleleleIt was big school to get all around, to smell technologies.04:20
leleleleNow I am enough with google and some .net portals of learning.04:20
lelelelebut node community is always very nice to come back.04:21
lelelelejust to look `is there any easy thing invented yet?` and again: No go learn hard way if you want become master.04:21
BartJolis "Tere" also lithuanian? 04:22
leleleleAnd if to use free CMS it is no nice at all.04:22
leleleleI can make html website as fast as with CMS.04:22
leleleleI need many functions in portal, but those functions so different from what CMS gives today, that I must learn program/code myself.04:23
SDuensinNot with forums, user management, etc.04:23
leleleleBut for those was eBulletin04:23
lelelelevery nice one long time ago, why Drupal etc came ? Was enough of that one too.04:23
SDuensinI like everything to be integrated.  One account.04:23
leleleleBartJol: no dunno what you mean.04:24
BartJollelelele: it means hi and goodbye in estonian04:24
leleleleBartJol: in Lituanian for `hi` is "labas" and for `goodbye` is "iki"04:25
lelelelespelling is without english accent though.04:26
lelelelei is i, not ai.04:26
BartJolI'll try to remember, allthough it's hopeless at this time04:26
lelelelea is a, not ei :)04:26
BartJolok, Dutch pronounciation is quite similar than04:26
lelelelethat is good ;)04:27
BartJolnearest to Lithuania I've beenm was Parnu04:28
lelelelerizen: I got idea for your new project. Make such a CMS, that from beginning would go configuration/installation of modules what we need to use. E.G. Installing what we need like import images module, changing with Search menubar, sorting database in meny ways, etc. 04:28
BartJolnice beach there04:28
leleleleThat way I could easily add modules which I need. And also translate to my own language. It will look completly cool feeling for users of database inside CMS. Cause they will feel in native CMS which I made. 04:29
@rizenso your idea is that i should build exactly what you need?04:30
leleleleAt the moment it looks ordinary CMS with many things not needed etc etc if you know what I mean. If you ever seen simple CMS made for company needs in native language of course.04:30
@rizenthe way you want it built?04:30
lelelelesure why not04:30
lelelelelike constructor04:30
leleleleinstall module04:30
leleleledelete module04:30
lelelelesmth like that04:30
leleleleor you mean I can configure that too for certain users like in Drupal?04:30
@rizeni have a better idea... i'm logging off for the night04:30
BartJollelelele: you can choose to not use modules you don't need04:30
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@preactionyou can also choose to remove modules you don't want04:31
lelelelepreaction: ok ;)04:31
BartJolor disable is a better word04:31
lelelelerizen is cool .04:31
leleleleI liked him at first sight :)04:31
leleleletoday :)04:31
@preactioni believe the feeling is mutual even04:31
BartJolHis couch is nice to04:32
leleleleBartJol hello04:32
@preactionhis old couch was nicer, that's why i have it now04:32
lelelelepreaction hello04:32
BartJolpreaction: can I sleep at your place next year?04:33
BartJolthe old one was better indeed04:33
@preactionBartJol, i'm almost 2 hours away from madison, so no04:33
@preactioni'd have to be at least 3 hours away to allow you to sleep here04:34
leleleleyou both said His in my script it meant to be "Hi*"04:34
leleleleso it was script which said hello to you both :)04:34
@preactioni'd turn off that script, like now04:34
lelelelewhat you mean couch :D04:35
leleleleok I will turn off.04:35
BartJolwell, I slept at JT's hoem04:35
leleleleso you talk about bed?04:35
BartJolno 04:35
BartJolthe thing you can sit on with a couple of persons04:36
leleleleso you are here04:36
lelelelelike sleeping together ?04:36
lelelelesome of you?04:36
BartJolno, I was in august04:37
leleleleyou was BartJol (what you were?) and (with who?)04:37
BartJolJT his wife promised that I could sleep with her, and she would kick him, out04:37
BartJolI was alone :(04:37
lelelelerizen is m/f?04:38
lelelelei thought it was male.04:38
leleleleyes, sex?04:38
BartJolhe is male04:38
BartJolI am too04:39
BartJolhis wife isn't04:39
leleleleBartJol hello04:39
lelelelewhoops again stupid script.04:39
leleleledon't use word "his".04:39
BartJolI'll just finish mu smoke and wodka, then I'll go to bed04:40
leleleleI cannot go to menubar in my mIRC and turn off. cause I turned off menubar and dunno how to show menubar again.04:40
leleleleI dranked two beers04:40
leleleledont want to smoke at the moment, I just am in my bad all the time with laptop.04:40
BartJolI top that04:40
BartJolbad is bath or bed?04:41
lelelelelaptop on bath hah04:41
lelelelewould be smth new...04:41
BartJolok, otherwise I'll had too warn you for the dangers04:41
leleleletell me more04:42
leleleleabout that wife04:42
leleleleyou share same woman with r?04:42
BartJolnot really04:42
lelelelerizen claimed you are.04:42
BartJolshe just called me her boyfriend04:43
BartJoland that she would move to here to form my harem04:43
BartJolbut she didn't04:43
BartJolto make it up she wants to couple me to a friend of hers04:43
leleleleI have girlfriend too04:44
BartJolyeah, nice a girlfriend 3000 miles from here04:44
BartJolbut his wife is nice to hangout with04:45
lelelelebut she is blond and doesn't use irc, or understand anything about html etc, she just use some final php products for communication, those slow ones...and plays some very old games :)04:45
lelelelewe are different, cause I like codes, etc , she likes music :D04:45
BartJolah, I had one off those04:45
leleleleyou left her or she left you?04:46
BartJolnot to be negative04:46
BartJolwell, we just hadn't enough "click"04:46
leleleleheh yeah04:47
lelelelethat is painful04:47
BartJoldid like each other, and that the other pone had the intrest, but didn't share enough04:47
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BartJolwas a nice time though04:48
leleleleshe didnt like computers?04:48
leleleleand your coding?04:48
leleleleshe didnt like you sitting near computer when you together?04:49
BartJolyeah, the fatal point was that she said: I don't like the way you indent in your code04:49
leleleleyou tried to explain her BroodWar strategy game rules but she said she wasnt interested at all to this difficult game?04:49
Radix-wrkheh.. it's funny because you're thinking of BartJol as a computer nerd - and in rl he's not ;)04:49
lelelele"intend in your code" ?04:50
SDuensinIn real life he's supposed to be RESTING!   :-P04:50
leleleleah ....04:50
leleleleBartJol : so you are not geek.04:50
lelelelelike me :)04:50
BartJolmm, that sounds like a comment for both of us lelelele04:50
BartJolok SDq04:50
BartJolSDuensin: 04:50
* Radix-wrk enjoyed many great belgian, dutch and german beers with BartJol when he was in Holland last year.04:51
BartJoland haring04:51
Radix-wrkhehe.. and Haring04:51
leleleleI drink lithuanian beer mostly.04:51
leleleleit is very good.04:51
leleleleI suppose all beer is good in the world :)04:52
Radix-wrkBeer is good04:52
BartJolnot all04:52
Radix-wrknot all appeals to everyone04:52
@perlmonkey2BartJol: are you a beer snob?04:52
BartJolbut the intention of beer is good04:52
BartJolperlmonkey2: no, but even I have my limits04:52
Radix-wrkBeer is liquid hope to the ugly.04:53
BartJollike bud-light04:53
Radix-wrkmost light beers are crap tho really04:53
@perlmonkey2I love light beer04:53
BartJolor doesn't that earns the label beer?04:53
@perlmonkey2you can drink it as long as you want and never get drunk04:53
Radix-wrkperlmonkey2, really?  why?04:53
* lelelele agrees perlmonkey204:53
@perlmonkey2all the while enjoying frosty goodness04:54
lelelelethough I sometimes get drunk from light beer too.04:54
* f00li5h paws at perlmonkey2 04:54
@perlmonkey2hey f00li5h :)04:54
f00li5hperlmonkey2: how's things?04:54
lelelelehi perlmonkey204:54
@perlmonkey2pretty groovy, about about you's?04:54
lelelelef00li5h you are here again :))04:54
BartJolwell, for drinking all day long it's good, but make sure it's chech something similar04:54
@perlmonkey2hello lelelele04:54
lelelelehey perlmonkey204:55
@perlmonkey2BartJol: Coors light :D04:55
BartJols drinking light beer is only allowed if you drink it all day04:55
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f00li5hlelelele: i had to go get milk... came back with $100 worth of food goods -_-04:55
BartJolperlmonkey2: mmmm, I am not rally sure whether I want to know you anymore04:56
leleleleand we are trolling here in terms of perl channed node f00li5h04:56
leleleletrollin about beer :))04:56
lelelelebut doesn't matter, we are Europe time mostly I suppose, so we are a bit relaxed.04:56
Radix-wrkyou guys all php advocates or something?04:56
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f00li5hi wish i had european beer!04:56
@perlmonkey2BartJol => beeristocat04:56
BartJoltomorrow the subject will prolly be elections04:56
SDuensinBartJol - I hope not.  I'm sick of it.04:57
Radix-wrkWill you vote though - that's the question..04:57
Radix-wrkhere we're forced to vote04:58
SDuensinIf I get home in time.04:58
@perlmonkey2forced to vote?  how strange04:58
lelelelef00li5h : I have one, would like to give it to you, for some food goods from your basket...04:58
Radix-wrkif you don't vote you get fined04:58
BartJolperlmonkey2: yeah yeah, go ahead with your impressive booming voice, but you'll have to talk louther if you want to get me shaking04:58
@perlmonkey2that is nuts04:58
SDuensinThey're all crooks though.  Sucks having to pick the lesser of two evils.04:58
@perlmonkey2BartJol: :P04:58
f00li5hlelelele: you are going to give me food goods?04:58
Radix-wrkvoting occurs on a weekend tho - so everyone can do it.. and we have absentee voting if you're not able to make it to a polling booth on the day04:58
@perlmonkey2BartJol: I can't be too scary if I like light beer04:58
f00li5hlelelele: liquid breakfast!04:59
Radix-wrkYou guys are making me thirsty!04:59
lelelelef00li5h : just one Lithuanian beer candle. 04:59
Radix-wrkjust going on lunchtime here too.. one hour before the big race04:59
leleleleok will be fine for my little sister f00li5h :)04:59
leleleleI personally prefered some american chocolade :D05:00
f00li5hamerican chocolate?05:00
lelelelenot snickers/rafaelo/etc what is plenty in Europe :)05:00
f00li5hoh! i have british candy, does that count?05:00
Radix-wrkbelgian chocolates are the best05:00
leleleleyes, smth like with ment05:00
leleleleI know one very tasty05:00
@perlmonkey2okay, the best mass produced ale ever made, Sam Adams Boston05:00
lelelelewe dont have it here :)05:00
Radix-wrknor here05:01
BartJolperlmonkey2: it's not the physical part, only the menatl one, that someone confinced you you like it, they can convince you of everything05:01
Radix-wrkLittle Creatures Pale Ale is a very nice local beer where I am ;)05:01
leleleleit was fantastic night with you05:01
@perlmonkey2BartJol: I am a sheeple for beer, or more commonly know as a beeple.05:01
lelelelebut before I get up 10am05:01
leleleleI need to sleep 5hours and counting05:02
lelelelebye mates!05:02
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BartJolwell, that's one lost soul05:02
SDuensinHe has some technology issues to work out.  :-)05:03
BartJolallthough I got the feeling he liked us...05:03
SDuensinHow could you not!?05:03
@perlmonkey2if he is serious about his goals, he'll probably be back.05:03
BartJolhe even had a conversation with JT, and was not apalled with his "directness"05:04
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@perlmonkey2wow, Obama is trading $9.10 for a $10 contract or 91% chance to win.05:05
@perlmonkey2seems like easy money05:05
Radix-wrkDoes sound like he's won.  But it all depends on who hits the polling booths on the day.05:06
BartJollike, really buying people to vote for him?05:06
Radix-wrkheh.. I suspect those are the odds for a bet05:07
BartJolRadix-wrk: well, normally a democracy work like that, but in the USA?05:07
@perlmonkey2BartJol: a contract market on who will win.05:07
BartJollike a bet?05:07
@perlmonkey2McCain is trading at $.90 for a $10 contract05:08
@perlmonkey2yes, except they call it a market contract05:08
BartJolthat's horrible that it is even legal05:08
@perlmonkey2you are trading $10 contracts that pay 0 if the terms fail or $10 if they meet.05:08
Radix-wrkIn the USA - anything is possible.. heck it's possible for a young black boy to turn into an old white woman. (Michael Jackson)05:08
SDuensinIt's like a football pool.05:08
BartJolyeah, that is given me a lot of trust on US politics...05:11
* SDuensin is in the USA. Imagine the trust he has.05:11
@perlmonkey2the system is horribly broken.05:12
SDuensinAnd massively corrupt.05:13
BartJolDutch politics isn't all that, don't get strange ideas about that, but I think I've got more choice than in the US05:13
BartJolbut it is always choosing between a vaginal douche and a turd sandwich...05:14
SDuensinHey, I don't remember you guys starting a war to protect your personal oil interests.  Can't be THAT bad.05:15
@perlmonkey2BartJol: Oh come on, we have a Chicago Politician (a pejorative) or a Good ol boy Republican (also a perjorative) to choose from.  See, that is choice.05:15
BartJolSDuensin: no, we just join you to remain friends, allthough we have not that many troups, just send them to win friendship from the UK and US05:18
BartJolgovernments that is05:19
@perlmonkey2BartJol: you didn't have to do that, I already consider us friends :)05:19
BartJolyeay, me and you, but our governments??05:19
BartJolI don't question all US people05:19
BartJolonly the "board" from the last..... let's say 8 years05:20
@perlmonkey2the "board"?05:21
@perlmonkey2what is that?05:21
BartJolperlmonkey2: do you think that things will get better with one of the two president cannidates05:22
BartJolthe bush administration perlmonkey205:22
BartJolnot directly the senate05:22
@perlmonkey2I think things will get worse05:23
BartJolbut is that just a economic fluctuation problem or more fundamental?05:24
BartJolwhere do your concerns are eventually?05:24
@perlmonkey2I think the last 8 years have brought incredible new levels of corruption to government.  That will not easily be reversed.05:24
@perlmonkey2Not unless Patrick Fitzgerald is given a secretarily position to police Congress :P05:25
BartJolso a lot of "supporting"people stay or is it a trend to be bribable?05:26
BartJolstay after the elections05:26
@perlmonkey2the political appoitments will mostly all change05:27
BartJoland bribable has more meanings than just money05:27
@perlmonkey2I think the corruption is mostly limited to upper government.  There are pretty good checks on the little people.05:27
BartJolso you expect both candidates to keep that intact?05:29
@perlmonkey2How would the president police congress?  impossible.05:29
BartJols/that/the crruptness/05:29
SDuensinOur government needs rebooted.05:30
BartJolI would like to say thta "sense" would be an answer05:30
@perlmonkey2BartJol: here is why this is.  Congress approval ratings are at an all time low.  At one point they were in the single digits.  Yes in the Senate only 8 of the 33 seats up are even contested.05:32
@perlmonkey2incumbants just don't lose very often no matter what they do.05:32
BartJolbut if you want to chance other people (than US) you should chance yourself (not meant  personally), personally I think a good learning and health program would be a priority05:33
@perlmonkey2bah we can get nothing done until the corruption is dealt with.  anything done now will be half-assed and full of bribery and payoffs.05:34
BartJolself sustaining economy would be a help to, instead of just robbing other countries of oil05:34
BartJolsorry perlmonkey2, my english is not good enough to really get what you meant with:Congress approval ratings are at an all time low.  At one point they were in the single digits.  Yes in the Senate only 8 of the 33 seats up are even contested.05:36
SDuensinIt's win-win over here.  Our "leaders" have personal oil interests *and* private military interests.  Go fight over oil and you make money no matter what.05:36
@perlmonkey2The Senate (one of the two houses of congress) only 8 people have a chance of losing their seats to a challenger.05:36
BartJolis that in general?05:38
BartJolno, apparently05:39
@perlmonkey2no, in general it is a lot less.  In a normal year, it would be almost impossible to lose your seat in congress.05:39
@perlmonkey2so once elected they can be as criminal as they want with little chance of consequences.05:39
SDuensinRemember, if "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?  :-)05:40
@perlmonkey2Don't get me wrong.  There is a lesser of two evils to pick from.05:40
BartJolah, here a new president is (normally) chosen from the political group that had the highest percentage of the votes, but the congress is renewed as a result from the votes05:41
BartJolbut we have 10+ "groups"05:42
BartJolin our congress, there's even one that just focusses om protection of animals05:43
BartJolthey have only 1 seat though05:43
BartJolbut, just keep hope, for now... I just go to bed05:45
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dionakelection tomorrow...the end of the bush era coming...06:10
dionaki, for one, am so excited!06:10
@preactionit may not be the end of the bush era, mccain may get elected ;-)06:10
dionaktrue...but still.06:11
dionaki really think obama will come out on top. we'll see06:11
dionaknever know. 06:11
@preactionhttp://www.truthout.org/110308A <- let's hope Obama wins06:12
dionakthe last two prez elections i've stayed up all night to see the results. i'm finally taking the next day off to get some rest06:12
dionaklet's hope not...06:14
apeironIt's bloody illegal to remove felons from the voter registration. =\06:14
apeironOr... was.06:14
dionakduring election, i yell at the tele like others do at football games in the us. if it gets close, i'll lose my voice. ;)06:14
@preactionthat hasn't stopped the GOP in the last two presidential elections06:15
apeironpreaction, Well, yeah. "If we can't win, we'll cheat!"06:15
dionakthere's already so much misinformation. like if you have a traffic ticket, you can't vote. 06:15
dionakit's ridiculous. 06:15
apeironYeah. All that's just total bull.06:16
apeironSee also: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/air-force-aims.html06:16
dionakyea, true but it's believed06:16
apeiron^ the USAF can't beat the people attacking their sites so they want to literally redesign TCP/IP06:16
apeironThat'll go over really well with the rest of the world.06:17
apeiron(for once I am thankful that businesses own our government, they won't stand for this)06:17
dionaki've gotten at least 8 calls in the last 72 hours regarding voting06:17
dionakit's almost silly06:17
dionaki've stopped answering06:17
* apeiron spent about 15 hours this weekend doing so06:17
apeironThat was quite the educational experience. I learned where the money goes in a campaign.06:18
apeiron$400+ USD/day in just pizza. For one facility. Not counting phones or anything else.06:19
dionakit's amazing how out of touch most americans are that they believe this misinformation. the internet should really be freely available to everyone so they can do their research.06:19
apeironyes, well06:19
apeironTypical American big business doesn't see things the way we hippies do. :)06:19
dionakyea, we have biz acquaintances that make mad money on campaigns. quite amazing really that a biz model can be based on re-election.06:20
dionakshows the machine quality of re-election, and the money behind it06:20
apeironThat's... quite a lot of trust.06:20
dionakobama has been campaigning for two years. imagine the capital behind that06:21
dionakyea, silly $$ really06:21
apeironBut you know what? It's money that's feeding our businesses, feeding our economy.06:22
apeironThey say war's great for the economy. We've got the war here that's the exception to the rule. I'd go so far to say that the campaigning is what's kept this country the milimeter it is from the economic grave.06:23
dionaki think the exception is because of the interdependency of the global economy.06:23
apeironAnd if you look back in history at all the previous elections, this one is *huge*. All the candidates are spending enormous amounts of money on absolutely everything.06:24
dionakyea, it just keeps growing06:24
dionakobama has set a record06:24
apeironoh yeah, I heard about that.06:24
apeironI've seen several images around the net about his spending policy, his inexperience. One compares Clinton to Bush 1 and 2 and Reagan. Clinton was tax + spend: surplus. The rest: huge deficit.06:25
apeironThe other one is a picture of Lincoln with the text "inexperienced Illinois senator" on the bottom.06:26
apeiron(the latter is on cafepress if you're interested)06:26
dionakeither way, mcain + pailn just frickin' scares me. mostly her06:27
apeironyes. Especially considering McCain's health, we're quite possibly literally a breath away from Palin for President.06:28
dionaklove tina fey tho. !!06:28
dionakexactly! that's why it's so scary! 06:28
apeironI had a teacher in high school, six years ago (yes, I'm young) who made an interesting remark. He had said that no nation lasts forever.06:29
dionaki say tina faye for prez rather than sarah. did you catch the prank on youtube?06:29
apeironAnd that there's a growing number of similarities between the US and Rome when it fell.06:29
dionakgood point. smart teacher06:29
apeironNo, links?06:29
dionakyea, i've heard the relation. just a sec06:30
dionakhonestly, i couldn't watch it all. thought it was a little cruel06:30
apeironheh. 06:31
* apeiron *click*06:31
dionakshe and her staff sound so excited, then confused...then disappointed..06:31
apeironHave you heard what the McCain campaign is doing now?06:32
dionakidk, their strategy hasn't changed much06:32
apeironThey're actually using automated bots to call people and play clips of *Hillary* talking trash about Obama.06:33
@preactionyeah, By Any Means Necessary doesn't really lend a supporting strategy06:33
apeiron"maybe in eight years" /me shudders06:33
dionaki recently heard the robocalls statistically have no effect...06:33
apeironProbably not. But still, it's really low.06:34
apeironbahaha "I can see Belgium"06:34
apeiron.... wait wat06:34
dionakhave you been watching snl?06:34
apeironNo TV for me.06:34
dionakoh, nbc.com06:34
apeironIt's more a choice thing than anything else.06:35
apeironChoice / principle.06:35
apeironToo much conservativism / DMCA for me.06:35
apeironbahahaha, fox news06:36
dionakapeiron, good to know we have something in common. an interest in us politics06:37
apeironYou know, I used to be quite apolitical. Then I heard about net neutrality.06:38
dionaknet neutrality is so controversial that it can't help but motivate us geeks06:42
dionakif it doesn't motivate us, there's something seriously wrong06:42
apeironOh yes.06:42
dionakglad it inspired you06:42
apeironI saw a lot of merchandise on cafepress with a slogan that says "if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention". So so so true.06:44
dionakyea, so true.06:44
dionakok, i'm out. got to get some EST rest before the big day06:44
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@perlmonkey2howdy SDuensin17:07
SDuensinHey perlmonkey2 17:09
carograyeditor just deleted a collaboration system trying to delete a thread17:10
carograyI can find it when I search but no other way17:11
* SDuensin is still playing with Things.17:11
carograynot in any directory17:11
carograyany clues to restoring collaboration system that is still there in some form somehow?17:11
ryuu_rocarogray: isn't it in your trashbin?17:12
carograynot in mine and not in system17:12
ryuu_rohmm, that sucks17:12
carograyyou betcha17:12
carograywanted to go live this week17:12
carograyI put in a login request... just thought if anyone were around now I might figure it out sooner17:13
@perlmonkey2rizen: any useful utility scripts I write, can they just be added to tools?17:14
@perlmonkey2For instance a script that changes the archive on date for all the CS's in a conf?17:14
@rizenthat's probably better to be released into the bazaar17:14
@rizennot that you couldn't also put it in tools17:15
@rizenbut that one could definitely be useful to other peeps17:15
@perlmonkey2yeah, would be groovy for the bazaar and that's probably where people will lok first.17:15
carograyoddly enough when I find it in search, I add the ?op=assetManager;method=manage I end up in clipboard17:15
carograyoh!  17:15
@rizenthe tools folder in svn was originally only for our release management tools17:15
carograycheck system clipboard and there it is! Hallelujah.17:15
@rizenbut it's kind of been corrupted over the years17:16
carograynever mind17:16
ryuu_rocarogray: good times!17:16
@perlmonkey2 rizen maybe a new dir for just utilities?17:17
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@rizenperlmonkey2: when it becomes a problem, then we'll worry about it17:19
SDuensinHey rizen, is "Thingy" production-worthy in 7.5.31, or should I wait?17:21
@rizenyes it is17:21
@rizenwe're using it in a few places17:21
SDuensinJust kinda gunshy after last night.  I *really* want to use it for a lot of management functions though.17:22
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@rizenpatspam are you here?17:43
@perlmonkey2rizen: it'd be 2:50 in the morning there17:50
@rizenthat doesn't mean anything...this is patspam we're talking about17:51
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@rizenok then, i have a quick poll for the devs that are here:17:55
@rizenWebGUI::Crud's update() method requires that you pass in a hash reference of properties to set17:56
SDuensinThey all say "yes" - rename the "Advertising" icon!   :-P17:56
@rizenthis hash reference is then used to update the database table and WebGUI::Crud's internal data structures17:56
@rizenit therefore deletes any elements from the hash reference that are not part of it's definition17:57
@rizenthis could either be a bug or a feature17:57
@rizenthe other day this thing hit me because it deleted that element from my hash17:58
@rizenthe thing was, i was jury rigging something...so it basically caught me jury rigging and said "you shouldn't do that"17:58
@rizenso from that vantage point it's a feature17:58
@rizenon the other hand, i could make a copy of the hash reference that you pass in17:58
@rizenwhich is less efficient than just using the hash reference17:59
@rizenand then delete what i need to delete from the copy17:59
@rizenthusly you'd never run into this problem17:59
@rizenif we keep the first way, this will of course be documented in the pod17:59
@rizenso my question to you is, which makes more sense?17:59
@rizendelete from the hash ref, or copy the hash ref?18:00
@preactionkeep it how it is. if they really need to maintain the integrity of their data hashref they can make a new hashref themselves18:00
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8247 /tools/updateCollaborationArchiveDate.pl: New script that will update all the collab systems for a site (or all sites) to archive after a given period18:06
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8249 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: Crud create() for specific id (#9035)18:06
CIA-6WebGUI: frank * r8250 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Google sitemaps index added to WebGUI18:06
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topsubcan i get the userId  from.. ^User(userId); ?18:12
@rizeni think that ^#; also does it18:14
topsubHere is a better idea. I can put a macro call inside the sql reports right?18:24
topsubThat way i can say like where userId = ^#():?18:24
topsubah yep this seems like its working18:24
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elninogood morning! I have 7.5.24, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a question on a survey with check boxes, so that people can select more than one answer. Is that possible?18:28
elninolooking at the webgui site, this feature has seemed to be missing since 2005?18:32
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topsubThrew the inbox system how can i send a message to a group?18:41
topsubI mean is there a way by default18:41
topsubnot doing anything custom18:41
@preactiongo into the Group manager, click on a group, look for "Send an Email to group"18:42
topsubhmm will this show up as an "inbox" item?18:44
topsubnot just email them?18:44
@preactionnot sure, try it?18:44
topsubthe private message system we want to send a message to everyone not email.18:44
topsubhmm doesn't seem like it. that really just emails them18:47
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knowmadrizen: want to hold this SEO conversation in realtime instead of via RFE?18:55
@rizenfor pink slips?18:55
knowmadyou're on, buddy!18:55
@rizeni don't think that anybody uses pink slips anymore18:56
knowmadso how do i get keywords field into the meta tags? i don't see any template variables for putting it in there18:56
@rizenthe title to my car is white paper with blue text18:56
knowmad(that's why i was so quick to agree)18:56
@rizenyou don't need template variables18:56
@rizenjust type keywords18:56
@rizenand they automatically create a metatag in the head block18:57
elninorizen: i had to add: <meta etc...18:57
@rizenelnino: that's cuz you aren't using the keywords field18:57
@rizenyou're using the raw head tags field18:57
knowmadhmm, i don't like it; seems too much like action at a distance18:57
elninowhat version puts the metatag in?18:57
knowmadi'd guess since that's when the new field was added to the metadata tab for all assets18:58
@rizenknowmad, whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that's how it works18:58
@rizenyou said you wanted the easy way18:58
knowmadok, i'll take it up with template designers but it only addresses 50% of my RFE18:58
@rizento add keywords to the head block18:58
knowmadLOL, you got me there18:58
@rizensomething that a normal user could do18:58
@rizenit can't be any easier than that18:58
elninowhat about the description metatag?18:59
@rizenthe synopsis (summary) field is supposed to do that, but it doesn't appear to be working18:59
knowmadbut i'm a control freak and want to be able to place my keywords into the head block using a template variable18:59
@rizenso that's a bug report that needs to be field18:59
knowmadoh, okay; i can do that18:59
@rizenknowmad...then do it one of the 10 other ways that webgui allows you to do it18:59
elninooh. I thought the summary field was for synopis on navigation assets...18:59
knowmadelnino: it's for that also19:00
knowmadand search results19:00
@rizenelnino, synopsis is for many things19:00
knowmadso why didn't I know about this behavior of keywords?19:01
@rizenknowmad: this is why i said in the ticket that maybe we should have a chapter on SEO in the book19:02
@rizenin the CM guide19:02
knowmadwith keywords, it's my own fault for not reading the help text19:02
elninothat would be great. Because even the hover19:02
knowmadI do agree about a chapter in CM Guide19:02
elninodoesn't elude to what you say those two fields do.19:02
knowmadactually it does for keywords but not for synopsis19:03
elninoyou;r right! =)19:03
@rizenand as i said, synopsis is both broken and used for a lot of things19:03
@rizenit can't possibly give you a list of all the things it's used in19:03
knowmadbut a few of the main ones wouldn't hurt ;)19:04
@rizenknowmad: does this mean i get your pink?19:04
knowmadno, the bug saved me19:05
elninoknowmad - re seo. Something I brought upto tiffany, is having a19:05
elninoseparate title meta field, as opposed to using the title field on the asset.19:06
elninoI have a really cool macro19:06
elninothat checks to see if a title has been defined in the "extra head field" and if it exissts19:06
knowmadyes, we're seeing similar needs19:06
elninoit doesn't print out the title field19:06
knowmadoh, that's interesting19:06
elninoif one doesn't exists, it uses the asset's title19:06
elninoI've been meaning to post it.19:07
knowmadi could see where the Metadata tab would have an SEO section with the synopsis, title and keywords sections; if the title is not defined, it could use the Page Layout or asset title19:07
knowmadthanks for sharing19:07
elninothat's what I thought the metadata tab was for, only to find out it wasnt'., back in the 7.3x days.19:09
@rizendon't confuse metadata with meta tags19:10
elninoI know, that's what confused me.. The similarity in the name.19:10
elninoI know now. =)19:10
elninoI wouldn't be surprised if others got them confused.  meta DATA being all that is included in the different meta TAGS.19:11
knowmadyeah, those caught me up at first also 19:11
@rizeni wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't know what the title field is for19:11
elninoknowmad, would you like that macro?19:12
@rizenthat's why in 7.6 you can now rename all fields and all tabs to be whatever you want them to be19:13
knowmadelnino: thanks. i don't have a need for it now but it's good to know you've developed it19:13
knowmadthat's a nice touch19:13
knowmadbug report added19:16
elninothanks knowmad19:16
elnino I have 7.5.24, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a question on a survey with check boxes, so that people can select more than one answer. Is that possible? I could have sworn I've seen somewhere.. maybe it was in "thingy". but I need it in the survey.19:17
elninorizen what is the size of the keywords field?19:17
@rizenprobably 25519:19
knowmadrizen: i've altered the RFE to request access to the description and keywords via template variables; i've given 2 reasons why it's "a good thing"19:19
@preactioni think it gets processed and parsed, so it might be unlimited19:19
@rizenthere isn't really a specific length because keywords aren't really stored in a single field in the database19:20
@rizenbut the form element itself might have a max length set19:20
knowmadis there a limit in HTML specs?19:20
@rizenknowmad: it will be rejected19:20
@preactionno, but the <meta name="keywords"> isn't really used anymore19:20
@rizenbecause i disagree19:21
elninoknowmad: there isn['t a limit in the html specs but there are recommendations of so many "terms"19:21
knowmadthat's unreasonable19:21
@rizeni'm unreasonable19:21
knowmadlike i said...19:21
@rizennow if you had said "synopsis" and "keywords" then i might agree19:21
@rizenbut description...not going to happen19:21
knowmadoh, i'm saying the wrong thing19:22
knowmadi meant synopsis19:22
elninokeywords are used, just not as important in search engines as it was once.19:22
@rizenyou better hurry and update your RFE before i reject it then19:22
knowmadit's the SEO stuff that, although search engines don't necessarily rely on, my clients want19:22
elninosame here.19:22
@rizeni'm probably still going to reject it19:22
@rizenjust cuz it will make you angry19:23
elninoif marketing thinks it's important....19:23
@preactionthey only think it's important because they're idiots19:23
knowmadthen i'll have dionak submit19:23
elninopreaction =)19:23
knowmadi know you like her better anyhow19:23
@rizendamn, i can't resist diona19:23
knowmadi knew it :)19:23
@preactionSEO is snake-oil. if you're already following W3's guidelines on how to create accessible, proper sites then you have all the SEO you need19:24
* preaction insert counter-rhetoric here19:24
* rizen must t-r-y to resist diona19:25
knowmadpreaction: i generally agree; we're not selling it just accomodating the client who want to use it19:25
elninowhich rfe are you guys talking about? I only see the bug report.19:25
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knowmadrizen: you're getting v-e-r-y sleepy; cannot resist dionak's demands...19:26
knowmadpoof, there she is19:27
@rizennoooooooooOOOOOOO! diona is my kryptonite19:27
dionakhm, my ears were burning19:27
knowmadi've threatened to put you after him if he doesn't approve my RFE (#9036)19:27
knowmadi knew he wouldn't say no to you :)19:27
knowmadit's lunchtime!19:28
dionakyea, rizen finds my voice irresistable. 19:28
elninoanyone know when checkboxes will be added to the survey? I"m using 7.5.24, and they aren't in there. I tried every question type.19:32
@rizensurvey is completely rewritten19:33
@rizenand contains multi-answer types19:33
elninois there a way to have two instances of webgui installed?19:34
elninoon the same server. 19:34
elninooh. 7.6.3 sin't out yet...19:35
elninoand if I remember correctly, 76 sn't stable until jan?19:36
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@rizenthere is a way to do it, but neither i nor any of my staff would ever tell you how to do it19:41
@rizenbecause it's just a very terrible idea19:42
@rizenyes, 7.6 will be stable in january19:42
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elninoI won't hold you to the terrible idea.. I would like hear it, because by boss needs something now. Otherwise, we'll just use survey monkey. =(19:43
elninoI could probably just write one.. but that would be a waste of time, since you guys rewrote it all.19:44
@rizenelnino...seriously, i'm not going to tell you19:45
@rizenit's so bad that i'd rather you use survey monkey19:45
@rizenit = installing 2 webgui's on the same production server, not the new survey in 7.619:45
elninoif it's installing manually and changing the default installation location (from /data).. I've done that - our product is runnign that way... and I suspect that is what you were going to tell me....19:46
@rizenthat's not what i was going to tell you19:47
@rizenand even if it was, i still wouldn't admit it19:47
@rizendon't do it19:47
@rizenyou are in for a nightmare19:47
elninoI know.19:47
elninoand top it off, i did it on a 64 bit machine.19:48
topsubsending message threw inbox has agroupId so that means i can send a message to everyone in a group?20:08
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+perlDreamerShould the sitemap generator create a sitemap for this url:  www.example.com/sitemap.xml/page2 ?22:12
@rizendid frank mess up his regex?22:13
@rizenand i believe it's siteindex.xml22:14
+perlDreamerIt's just missing an anchor at the end.22:14
+perlDreamer$p =~ m/siteindex\.xml/i22:14
@rizenyou fixing or should i?22:14
+perlDreamerI'll get it.22:14
@rizenpd i have some amazing news for you22:14
+perlDreamerYou can hire me?22:15
@rizeni discovered something (which you may have already known) 22:15
@rizen"theshawshankredemption" is exactly 22 characters22:15
+perlDreamerno way22:15
+perlDreamerThat's great!22:15
@rizeni used it as a test guid today22:15
@rizenin crud.t22:15
+perlDreamerWe have to do better than that22:15
+perlDreamerIt should be the UID for the root node.22:15
@preactionit's sitemap.xml22:15
@rizenexcept...that could screw with backward compatibility22:16
@rizenso we'll have to wait until webgui 8 to do it22:16
+perlDreamerpreaction, that was a paste from the file22:16
@rizenpreaction? according to the spec on sitemaps.org?22:16
@preactioni was reading the FAQ on google22:16
@preactionwhich is a copy of http://sitemaps.org/protocol.php22:17
@rizenit looks like khenn is a giant fuckup then =)22:18
+perlDreamerHey now, no khenn bashing.22:24
@rizenyou know what22:24
+perlDreamerYeah.  Nice guy.  Plays second base.22:24
@rizenwe could change the parentId of the root asset to "theshawshankredemption"22:24
+perlDreamerWhat a great idea!22:25
@rizenthe problem is 2 fold though22:25
+perlDreamerbut what about backwards compatibility22:25
@rizennothing uses the parent id of root22:25
@rizenso it's not an issue22:25
@rizen1) shawshank's playground is supposed to be in testing, not in the rest of webgui22:26
@rizen2) if we start using 'theshawshankredemption' out in regular webgui, then we can't use it as a testing guid22:26
@rizenwhat do you say about that mr pd?22:27
+perlDreamerShawshank is so great it can transcend it's use as solely fodder for testing in this one instance.22:27
@rizensee i was thinking we should use: thedarkknightisabadass22:28
@rizenwhich is also 22 characters22:28
@khenneh I had that bug fixed in one of my other 1000 copies of WebGUI.  I just pasted the wrong one =p22:28
@khennit was pointed out during the WUC22:28
+perlDreamer--batmandude has 24 characters.  I miscounted22:29
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Bernd_perlDreamer, have you seen the patches for the UsersOnline macro?22:33
+perlDreamerNo, Bernd_.  Are they attached to the bug report?22:36
Bernd_Yes. There are two of them actually.22:36
Bernd_One is for the testing function.22:36
Bernd_The other is an upgrade script for creating a new profile field.22:36
Bernd_Let me look up the URLs...22:37
+perlDreamerI'll try to have both of them done by tonight.22:37
+perlDreamer$dayJob is keeping me very busy these days22:37
Bernd_Me, too!22:37
Bernd_It is so stressful to be working again :-)22:37
Bernd_So it's the same on the other side of the globe?22:38
+perlDreamerLast Thursday, I worked 11 hours22:38
+perlDreamerI worked 5 more on Saturday22:38
+perlDreamerand on average, a 9-11 hours per day last week22:38
Bernd_And how much on Sunday?22:38
+perlDreamerI took sunday off22:38
Bernd_Sounds great...22:38
Bernd_for your employer!22:38
Bernd_Do you want me to pitty you?22:39
Bernd_Sunday off?22:39
+perlDreamerNo, I want you to hire me to work on wG full time22:39
Bernd_Hm, I am not sure if you would work for the salary I am able to pay.22:39
Bernd_What is your regular job then?22:39
+perlDreamerI design chips for batteries.22:40
Bernd_Chips in batteries?22:40
Bernd_For charging?22:40
Bernd_Or what kind of chips?22:40
+perlDreamerThey keep track of serial numbers, monitor battery safety22:40
+perlDreamerDo remaining capacity22:40
Bernd_Oh, you mean like notebook and cell phone batteries?22:40
Bernd_Does not sound too bad.22:41
Bernd_Deadline ahead?22:41
Bernd_Or what is keeping you busy?22:41
@rizenperlDreamer: i'll offer you a job for $200k per year22:41
@rizenbut i can only hire you on a limited term contract of 1 week22:41
Bernd_Is that a $200 000?22:41
@preactionperlbot math 200000 / 5222:42
@preactionuh... i'll take it22:42
@rizenin that one week i need you to accomplish a year's worth of work22:42
@rizendo we have a deal?22:42
@preactionoh... now he says22:42
+perlDreamerBernd_: Deadline passed many weeks ago.22:42
Bernd_What is the equivalent of a year's work?22:42
+perlDreamerMy part of the chip is finished22:42
+perlDreamerbut I'm trying to help others out now22:43
@rizen40*52 hours22:43
Bernd_perlDreamer, but then time does not matter any longer!22:43
Bernd_I mean, once you have started postponing it...22:43
Bernd_you can do it again and again!22:43
Bernd_That is how we usually handle it :-)22:43
+perlDreamerOh yes it does.  They later the chip is, the more the bosses start yelling and swearing22:43
Bernd_I forgot you have a hire and fire system in the US.22:44
Bernd_Not going to take more of your time.22:44
Bernd_Need to get up early again.22:44
Bernd_But something else concerning all the devs:22:45
Bernd_Has anyone started to fix the UserList asset yet?22:45
Bernd_If not I will be trying to fix it during my train ride home on Friday.22:46
Bernd_So, anyone?22:46
+perlDreamerI don't have any plans to work on the UserList asset.  You would be doing UK a favor by fixing it for them.22:47
+perlDreamerYou would do us all a favor if you rewrote it from scratch.22:47
Bernd_Is it so bad?22:48
@preactionthere's even a Report framework you could use to rewrite it22:48
+perlDreamerI don't think it's a question of badness, just lack of goodness.22:49
Bernd_One momen, I was not talking about rewriting it.22:49
Bernd_What is the reporting framework?22:49
Bernd_Can that be done in about three hours?22:49
@preactionan experimental piece i've written, and probably not three hours, no22:49
Bernd_perlDreamer, that seems to be the same to me?!22:49
Bernd_In that case, I am only going to attempt to fix it.22:50
Bernd_Never mind.22:50
+perlDreamerIt's probably for the best.22:50
+perlDreamer(just to fix)22:50
Bernd_Let's see how far I can get.22:50
Bernd_Good night!22:50
+perlDreamerGute Nacht22:50
nubai cant believe im reading this on wikipedia: "The issues of caging lists and other techniques of voter suppression which gave rise to many 2004 United States election voting controversies have not been addressed by further legislation or a regulatory crackdown, and are predicted by Greg Palast (an American BBC reporter who has investigated these controversies) to recur to the extent that they could swing the result.[11]"22:52
nubafrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_200822:52
nubais that accurate?22:53
@preaction100% accurate22:53
@preaction20% of the voters were purged from voter rolls in one state22:53
@preaction(for this election i mean, not 2004)22:53
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nubaalso, am I understanding right that this election starts today and goes on for many weeks?22:54
nubaso its not a single-day event?22:54
@preactionno, you have until 8pm most places to vote22:55
@preactionthere was pre-voting, so-called "absentee ballots", but up to 50% of those are rejected for one reason or another22:55
+perlDreamernuba, it will take a while to count and double check all the counts.22:55
@preactionusually the losing candidate concedes the election tonight22:55
@preactionotherwise, yes, it will take a while22:56
nubano electronic ballot there?22:56
+perlDreamerunless he pouts and throws a fit and tries to overturn it in the courts22:56
@preactionnuba, yes, some are, but those electronic ballots have proven to be unreliable (and highly inaccurate)22:56
@preactionin fact, in one state in 04, almost 5% of the votes for Kerry were counted for Bush, which is more than the percentage bush won that state by22:57
@preactionhttp://www.truthout.org/110308A <- how mccain could win22:57
nubaI once met the guy who was responsible for the criptographic routines (signing, hashing, etc) in the brazilian electronic ballot22:57
nubathey're in production since 2000 or so.22:58
nubaand there were some people from the US coming over every once in a while to see how it was going22:58
nubaso i was hoping electronic ballots would be widely used in the US by now22:58
@Haargi don't really see the advantage to purely electronic voting22:59
nubaits been working fine here, and there are some international entities who audit the process22:59
@preactioni don't think the majority of the US has cared about democracy in a very long time22:59
apeironIdeally, electronic voting saves time. Ideally.22:59
@preactionha! international oversight is something we would NEVER accept22:59
@preactionbut it IS something that we NEED23:00
@tavistointeresting how the controversies on that wikipedia page only include the incorrect purging of voters.. I wonder why it doesn't mention anything about registering new false voters as that's clearly a controversy as well.23:00
@preactiontavisto, registering new false voters doesn't matter, as they can't vote23:00
@preactionpurging existing voters is a problem, since they can't vote23:01
@tavistoI'm aware preaction, but false votes can easily be tallied when they're pooled into provisional vote pools23:02
nubaoh just to clarify, international entities dont have sovereignity over the election process, they're just invited as independent auditors23:02
@tavistowhy do you think there was so much stink about the ACORN deal. If the votes had no chance of counting then it would make no sense to pull off the fraud.23:02
@preactionprovisional ballots don't get counted, even provisional ballots from legitimate people23:03
@Haargi don't really think electronic voting is much faster than a well designed ballot23:03
nubapreaction: (im unsure if by oversight you mean having authority over the process)23:03
@preactionnuba, i just mean auditing23:03
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@tavistoI think WebGUI should be used for all voting machines23:03
nubahah! then by unknown reasons it turns out a guy named JT was elected....23:04
@tavistoPreaction, provisional ballots are counted but just not until a few days after the election night23:05
@tavistoso if the race is too close based on regular eligible votes then these very much affect the election.23:05
@preaction"The great unreported story of the 2004 election was that there were more than three million voters shunted to provisional ballots. Over a million (1,090,000) were never counted, just chucked in the dumpster."23:06
@tavistoThe scary thing is for the system is that the provisional votes cast really lack good methods of scrutiny and verification. According to both sides23:06
@Haargthat's not really important preaction23:06
@Haargthe reason they aren't counted is because they couldn't effect the outcome23:07
@preactionuh... those were in battleground states where kerry lost by a small margin23:07
@preactionanyway, instead of pontificating here, i'm going to go vote23:08
@tavistoYep, there were tons of votes that were tossed in 2004. If I remember right there were tons of ineligible votes for various reasons. It happens in every election. I'm not saying it's right and I'd like to see a better system.23:08
@Haargthere are lots of other problems with the voting process23:09
@tavistoabsolutely. It's one big mess.23:10
@preactionindeed, too much partisan play on both sides23:10
@preactionwhich is why independant international oversight / auditing would benefit us immensely23:11
@preactionin addition to spending money on better equipment23:11
@preactionthis won't happen, because partisan politics likes the fuzzy system23:11
@Haargthe equipment doesn't even need to be very complex23:11
@tavistowe need more prominent parties too. I'm tired of this left/right game.23:12
@rizeni think the voting system should just be done away with and instead the "let JT decide" initiative should be enacted23:12
@Haargwe'd probably need to get rid of plurality voting before third parties become viable23:13
@tavistoI'd like to see the constitution party grow more. (and some other parties)23:14
+perlDreamerParty at Tavisto's house23:16
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@tavistosure, I have the campaign HQ party this year in my big ole' home theater23:16
@rizentavis, you're kidding, right?23:17
@rizenabout the constitution party?23:17
@rizenthe constitution party is the equivalent of the christian taliban23:18
@rizenthey want to do away with the democracy and replace it with a government rooted in biblical law23:19
nubasounds good.23:20
@tavistono, actually I'm not kidding. But that's quite a slant you are putting to it.23:20
+perlDreamerthat's not what wikipedia says about it23:20
nubawhipping the wrongdoers? stoning them to death? AWESOME! ;)23:20
@tavistoAs any political platform expands into the mainstream it gets broader and a bit more mild23:20
@rizenit say's that right on their web site23:21
@rizenthey want a theocracy23:21
@rizenIt is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations.23:21
@tavistobut I like several of their core values so I'd like to see them continue to grow.23:21
@rizenoops, sorry about the big letters23:21
nubawell, i guess core values rooted on christianism is something very agreeable23:22
@tavistoif you would read more into this and not jump to your 'Religilous' type response, you'd see they aren't as you're making them out to be. But they are definitely way more conservative than you'll ever vote. 23:23
nubaanother thing is having that enforced on you23:23
@rizenagreeable to whom? religion is hate speech. (not talking about belief in god, talking about organized religion)23:23
@tavistoThe proper and lawful division of governmental authority among the Federal, State and local governments was an arrangement that the Founders rightly saw as necessary to preserving freedom and justice. Only after that federal, constitutional order is restored to its proper balance can we reverse America's slide into lawlessness, corruption and tyranny.23:23
@tavistoThe Constitution Party is the only party which is completely pro-life, pro-gun, pro-American sovereignty and independence, and in favor of a strong national defense. It is also the only party that is anti-globalist, anti-free trade, anti-deindustrialization, and anti-unchecked immigration. We also oppose special rights for homosexuals, the constantly increasing expansion of unlawful police laws,and both foreign aid and milita23:23
nubarizen: i like the "be nice to your neighbour" thingy23:23
+perlDreamerLove your neighbor23:23
nubaleave his wife alone23:23
+perlDreamerTake care of the widow and the orphan23:23
nubadont take his lawnmower without asking23:23
nubathat kind of thing23:23
@tavistoyep, loving your neighbor is exactly the right phrase. And that's biblical baby.23:24
@rizenyou want to make love with my neighbor23:24
@rizeni can tell you he's not that way23:24
@tavistoI dont see the word "make" in my sentence above.23:25
@tavistoBut more parties competing in our elections and in our government would be a good thing.23:26
@rizenfirst 2 sentences from their party platform: The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.23:27
@rizentell me they don't want a theocracy23:27
+perlDreamerIf Obama says that during the national prayer breakfast, I'm going to call you on it ;)23:27
@rizensecond paragraph: This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.23:27
@rizentell me they wouldn't engage in crusades23:27
nubaits a pattern, tho, that once a economic crisis sets in, people's political views swing towards, well, not very friendly parties23:28
nubalike Germany23:28
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@tavistoExaggeration on your part. You know Christianity and Jesus are deeply rooted in the founding of our country. And since you don't believe it sounds extreme to you.23:29
@rizenThey actually aren't deeply rooted in the founding of our country. Certainly religious freedom is. But many of the founding fathers were athiests23:30
+perlDreamerGiven how we're arguing about religion, this seems ironic: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081104/wl_nm/us_religion_dialogue23:32
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nubawell, christian values pretty much percolated thru the building of our western civilization23:33
nubain south and central america there's still plenty of mix between religion and state23:34
+perlDreamerI'm not sure rizen objects to christian values, just to theocratic extremes and religious prejudice23:34
@rizeni don't at all object to christian values23:34
@rizenor muslim values23:34
@rizenor Buddhist values23:34
@rizenvalues are a good thing23:35
@rizenmorality is a good thing23:35
@rizenextremism, in any form, is a bad thing23:35
@rizenhate is a bad thing23:35
@rizenwar is a bad thing23:35
@rizenintollerance is a bad thing23:35
nubaim uneducated about other religions' values, but I can assume they pretty much contribute to their follower's growth and I suppose at the core they're all good in providing guidelines23:35
@rizenfor the average person, i'm certain that belief in a deity helps them through the tough times23:36
@rizenbut i also know that the zealots that are in power of religious organizations23:37
@rizenoften abuse their power23:37
@rizenand their followers often follow blindly23:37
@rizenit's true of both religion and politics23:37
@rizenbecause, as i see it, they are the same23:37
nubathat could be said of sports fanatics to some extent, too23:38
nubathe masses23:38
nubasome people know how to play 'em23:38
@tavistoI think that's a load of crap. While you might see that on a black/white level23:38
nubaand these are dangerous guys23:38
@tavistomy relationship with Jesus and God is not followed blindly and it surely isn't something on a level as my political beliefs.23:39
juani have the next error when i run the next job Send Queued Email Messages Every 5 Minutes23:40
juanso i have many email stored in my database23:40
nubaoops. a on-topic issue! dammit. just when religious debate was about to get interesting!... ;)23:40
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@preactionif a workflow is undefined, it might mean the workflow is disabled23:42
elninopreaction: registering false voters DOES matter - they don't do checking afterwards, nor do they tie the ballot to a person, so they can't throw the vote out if they find out that it was an illegal vote. It gets counted!23:43
juanthe workflow is enabled23:43
@preactionelnino, i'm just saying that the person has to show a photo ID at the polling place, you can't just register and have a vote count, you have to have a person to vote23:44
@preactionthere is the mail-in / provisional thing as well, yes23:44
@preactionboth of those loopholes need to be closed. both to count bad votes or to deny good ones23:45
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@rizentavisto: i said nothing about your relationship with god23:45
@rizeni was talking about your relationship with your religion23:45
@rizenthey are two different things23:45
@preactioni would say, like the criminal justice system, if we have to choose, it's better to let bad votes in than to let good votes die23:45
elninoI dont' want international oversight on our voting. What the international want is not necessarily good for US. - just a little late in this non-webgui related conversation- go vote if you haven't! 23:45
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@tavistoRizen, we dont need to repeat this debate considering you and I have a history of like 15 years of doing it.23:49
@tavistoJust realize, you're wrong, go to church blindly and be a sheep as you suggest, and join the constitutional party. The world will be a better place. Amen23:50
@tavistoOooh and release the new matrix so I can get more ad money. Amen23:51
elninoI don't know. Our govenement was build with checks and balances in it. With a democratic majority in the house and senate, it only makes sense to have a republican in place for the "check and balance" The majority of the "work" of the governement is done in congress. 23:51
+perlDreamerYeah, new Matrix23:51
@tavistoooh and I want a pony. amen23:51
elninopreaction - yes, ID should be shown, that would help. I"m still catching up on the thread  =)23:52
elninothere is a lot to be improved upon, but the system was designed very well - kudo to our founding fathers.23:53
* preaction going voting23:53
@rizentavisto: just agree that religion must die for humanity to survive and i'll buy you a pony and release matrix 2.0. =)23:53
@tavistohumanity won't survive. There's an end to it. And then there could be more depending on the choices you make while you (and it) is here.23:55
@tavistoBut maybe perldreamer would agree to that so we can get the new matrix.23:56
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+perlDreamerBartJol, I have an i18n bug for you to fix00:00
BartJolfor me?00:00
+perlDreamerI keep getting your vacation email notice in Dutch00:00
+perlDreamerIt needs to do an IP check on the respondant and send them an appropriately i18n'ed message ;)00:01
BartJolstrange, mormally it is send only once00:01
+perlDreamerYes, once per vacation.00:01
+perlDreamerThat means twice in 3 months00:01
BartJolyou donn't wanna know that I'm free?00:01
+perlDreamerLike no cost?00:02
+perlDreameror not working?00:02
BartJolnot working00:02
BartJolnormally I'm not that expensive00:02
BartJoldepends on the job00:02
+perlDreamerI might need a low-cost website design.  You interested?00:03
BartJolif you want it to be visible it was cheap, I might be you man00:03
BartJoldepends also whther you arrange it via ProcoliX or not00:04
+perlDreamerKoen will charge me karma for it, so might be best to work with you directly ;)00:04
* perlDreamer heads to the showers, bbl00:05
BartJolso you have plenty of time and want a really ugly design?00:05
+perlDreamerugly design?  I thought you were a designer who became a programmer?00:05
BartJolno a translator00:05
BartJolbut I have designed a website00:06
BartJoland my own: www.bartjol.nl and webgui.bartjol.nl00:06
+perlDreamerdude, you have hair in that picture!00:07
+perlDreamerok, I'm really going to the showers now00:07
@rizenok need opinion quick from devs that are here00:10
@rizeni'm thinking about rewriting the SyndicatedContent asset this weekend00:10
@rizenjust for something to do00:10
@rizenand i'm trying to decide between two modules:00:11
@rizenthe first is a pure perl version00:11
@rizenthe second relies on a dozen or so other libraries00:11
@rizenthe first is slower than the second, not that it really matters for our purposes00:12
BartJolmmm, I'm not dev enough, but I do have a night of election news to go00:12
@rizenthe first is a self contained, small module, the second is enormous00:12
@rizenthe second may be more standards compliant, because it's built on the shoulders of giants00:12
@rizenthey both seem equally easy to use00:13
@rizenboth support RSS 2, 1, .900:13
@rizenboth support Atom feeds00:13
@rizenthe programmer in me tells me to use the one that uses a billion modules00:13
@rizenthe sys admin in me tells me to use the pure perl one because it will use a lot less memory00:14
@preactionwhich of those dozen do we already use?00:14
@rizenwe use about 1/3 of the dozen00:14
@rizenmaybe as much as 1/200:14
@rizenbut certainly not more than that00:14
@HaargXML::Atom doesn't want to install for me00:15
@rizeni got both to install00:16
@rizenhowever XML::Atom does look like a pile00:16
@rizenany thoughts, opinions, scathing rebuttle?00:17
@preactionheh, simonw just uploaded XML::Feed 0.3 :: [16:17] * CPAN2 upload: XML-Feed-0.3 by SIMONW00:17
@rizenoh and the reason i'm talking about using these two because they both have a super sweet way of merging feeds00:18
@preactiondepending on the amount used, most likely the XML::Feed will be more advantageous than the PP one00:18
@rizenand because they both support both RSS and Atom00:18
@preactioner.. amount of memory used00:18
@preactiondo those modules also generate feeds?00:19
@rizeni guess i could write a script that tries them both out and see how big the memory difference is00:19
@preactionso whichever wins we can remove some of the other RSS modules once we create the RSSCapable aspect00:19
@preactionso the total memory use might remain the same with the bigger one00:20
@rizenwe'll be removing all the other RSS modules00:20
@rizenbut that has nothing to do with which one we choose00:20
@rizenor at least shouldn't00:21
@rizeni'm going to quickly write a script for each00:21
@rizenand see how they do00:21
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@rizenok so XML::Feed is 25% larger than XML::FeedPP00:32
@rizeni suppose i should factor out perl's memory usage before i give that percentage00:32
@rizenhold please00:32
@rizenok on a simple script XML::Feed is 30% larger than FeedPP00:34
@rizenXML::Feed lazyloads it's prereqs00:35
@rizenwhich means that in practice it will get bigger00:35
@HaargXML::Feed also monkey patches XML::Atom00:35
@rizenXML::Feed appears to be a good module...but unfortunately it's prereq libraries are pretty terrible00:36
@rizenok from this overwhelming response, i'm going with XML::FeedPP00:37
@preactionhow much slower is it? just a bit or quite a bit?00:37
@rizenboth Haarg and I are leaning that way, and it appears to just be better00:37
@rizennot noticably00:38
@rizenboth scripts run in under a second00:38
@rizenthe reason i said it would be slower is simply because it's pure perl00:38
@preactiongood enough for me then00:38
@rizenbut i'll do a Time::HiRes check on them both right now00:38
@rizento see00:38
@preactionuse Benchmark instead?00:38
@preactionit's easier, imho00:38
voteobamaHow large is the test data set, though?00:39
@rizenok at least on a quick test the pp one is nearly half a second faster00:43
@preactionshould the syndicated content asset be checking for cache integrity? as in, if the cache returns a bad object, the syndicated content asset dies (and takes the rest of the page with it)00:44
+perlDreamerhow about if it just logs a message and sends an email to doug@plainblack.com instead?00:45
@preactionare you threatening me? i'll have your head for this!00:45
@rizenXML::Feed time: 0.23606800:45
@rizenXML::FeedPP time: 0.05243500:46
@rizenthat's after taking network out of it00:46
@preactiondear jesus00:46
+perlDreamerHas anyone rated the two modules on CPAN?00:46
@rizenjust loading the file from the filesystem00:46
@rizenboth are rated00:46
+perlDreamerAre there bugs logged against them that are regularly fixed?00:46
@rizenboth have open bugs00:47
+perlDreamerTests suites?  CPAN smoke results?00:47
@rizenboth see regular fixes00:47
@rizenthough PP is fixed more regularly00:47
@rizenbut it's also newer00:47
@rizenso that's to be expected00:47
@rizenboth have nice test suites00:48
@preactioni put my vote in for XML::FeedPP00:48
@rizenthough PP has way more tests00:48
@preactionwell, it also handles more internally, as opposed to relying on external modules (which have their own test suites)00:48
@rizenboth pass on over 20 systems00:48
@rizentrue preaction00:49
@rizenok XML::FeedPP it is00:49
@rizenseems to have votes from everyone who has chimed in00:49
+perlDreamer9 devs in the room00:50
+perlDreamer3 votes00:50
+perlDreamer33% turnout00:50
@preactionmy vote counts damnit00:50
+perlDreamerrizen, perlDreamer, preaction and...00:50
@preactionrizen, haarg, perlDreamer, preaction 00:51
+perlDreamer4/9 is 44% turnout00:51
+perlDreamer(sorry, Haarg)00:51
@preactionthat's not bad00:51
+perlDreamerLet's hope the American voters do better00:51
@preactionprobably better than today's national election00:51
+perlDreamermaybe we should require a double majority00:52
+perlDreamerthat would get people to turn out for the presidential election00:52
@preactionnot really. you can't make people care00:52
BartJolI would vote, but they don't let me...00:53
@preactionconscript armies have never worked00:53
@preactionBartJol, you could fill out a provisional ballot, just don't expect it to get counted00:53
BartJolmmm, my friend that would come by an hour ago isn't here yet00:53
BartJolor he's drunk, or doesn't understand how my doorbell works (we have 1 downstairs and one at our front door on the 11th)00:54
@rizenBartJol, I voted on your behalf00:54
@rizeninstead of casting my ballot for me, which is what i would have done, i cast it for who you wanted to vote for00:55
BartJoland, was it the vaginal douche or the turd sandwich?00:55
@rizenthe vaginal douche of course00:56
@preactionthe people have spoken, and we want four more years of Douchebag!00:56
@rizenat least it will be clean when we're done00:56
BartJolah, who do I want to vote for?00:56
@rizenBartJol, when you were here I'm pretty sure you said Obama.00:56
@rizenXML::FeedPP is so damn cool that I think the whole Syndicated Content asset could be written in about 1/4 the code00:57
BartJolrizen: ok your memory is ok00:57
+perlDreamerwith tests?00:58
@rizenno the tests would take a bit more...but not much00:59
@rizensince the module itself is doing most of the work01:00
@rizennot many tests would have to be written01:00
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+perlDreamerrizen: Do you want me to fix the naming problem with SiteIndex, too?01:28
@rizenalthough graham is in mid-release right now i think01:29
@Haargjust a sec01:29
+perlDreamerHaarg, it might be better if you fix it yourself then.01:30
+perlDreamerIt's one less untracked/off time commit01:30
+perlDreamerBecause I don't think we should release it when it doesn't work right01:30
@Haargrelease is already done though01:30
@Haargwhat is the issue?01:30
@rizenperlDreamer: that's what betas are for01:30
+perlDreamerNaming problem with Content/SiteIndex.pm01:31
@rizenpd it will go into the next release01:31
@rizenyour fix i mean01:31
@rizenhe's already got the release done01:31
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BartJolstrange, updat gives an error that it failed, but it did work01:44
BartJolwww_bartjol_nl 7.6.1-7.6.201:45
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BartJol        Correcting the Manage Workflow link in configuration file... DONE!01:45
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BartJol<h1>Problem With Request</h1>01:45
BartJol                We have encountered a problem with your request. Please use your back button and try again.01:45
BartJol                If this problem persists, please contact us with what you were trying to do and the time and date of the problem.<br /><br />Bart Jol<br />bart@bartjol.nl<br />http://www.bartjol.nlLabel not found for "last WEBGUI_FATAL" at ../lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 235.01:45
BartJol        Processing upgrade executable failed!01:45
BartJolThe upgrade process failed and has stopped so you can either restore01:45
BartJolfrom backup, or attempt to fix the problem and continue.01:45
@tavistoI noticed that google sitemap was added in 7.6.2. Is this configurable through an interface?01:46
@tavistoer siteindex01:46
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8266 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.2-beta: Release 7.6.2-beta01:49
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BartJolmmm it first went through the same process for the same site and then it was ok01:51
@rizentavisto: no, it's just auto generated01:51
@rizenit may eventually be turned into an asset01:51
BartJolah, it sees 2 config files01:52
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@tavistoah okay, so it just takes the pages in the site and formats them to be included in the site index automatically?01:59
@tavistofor instance if I have a site with 30 pages, how does it know which pages to include or does it include them all by default?02:00
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elninowhen I submit a request using a dataform shouldn't I recieve an acknowledgement email?02:08
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@preactiononly if you're in the to, cc, or bcc field02:11
elninoi'm in the "from"...  and there is a template for "achknowledgement"  - OH. I guess that isn't an ackknowledgement email template. my bad. Sounds like a good rfe.  I'll post one. =)02:16
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@rizenBartJol: sarah says *kiss*03:19
@rizentavisto: sorry i didn't get back to you03:20
@rizenit puts in all pages that are visible by "Everybody"03:20
BartJolrizen: thanks03:20
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Radix-wrkHmm.. I need to create a webgui group that consists of all the users in an existing group that don't have the user profile flag 'opt out from mailing list' checked.03:45
@preactionbuild it from an SQL query perhaps?03:45
Radix-wrkyeah, that's what I was thinking.. was going to ask if that was going to work03:46
Radix-wrkthen I can use the email all users in this group option to send update emails to those users03:46
@preactionshould work03:46
Radix-wrkokey.. just need to work on the sql query then03:47
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Radix-wrkthanks preaction.. just needed confirmation from someone that I was down the right track :)03:48
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Radix-wrkokey.. this _seems_ to work.. but the numbers of optouts don't add up.. so I'm definitely missing something.. anyone care to check my sql syntax?04:16
@preactionRadix-wrk, what about when that column IS NULL?04:18
Radix-wrkshouldn't c.fieldData<>1 cater for that?04:19
Radix-wrkOh.. there goes my logic then04:19
@preactionit's a quirk with NULL in MySQL04:19
@preactionessentially, any test against NULL is false04:20
@preactionexcept for "IS NULL"04:20
Radix-wrkso what's the check in sql - 'c.fieldData=0 or c.fieldData is null'04:20
@preactiontry it, it sounds like it should work04:20
Radix-wrkadd some parens and it works a treat.. sweet.. returned 4503 rows04:21
Radix-wrkcheers.. didn't know the gotcha with nulls04:22
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Radix-wrkHmm.. how often does the 'User Count' change in the group list for sql groups?04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8267 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Added 2 new convenience Operators: IsEmpty and IsNotEmpty04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8268 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Add new report table (and sql file), and the survey now does reporting.04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8269 /branch/WebGUI_flux/Survey.sql: Added missing field to db schema: groupToEditSurvey04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8270 /branch/WebGUI_flux/survey_templates.wgpkg: Individual templates probably don't need to be enabled as individual packages04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8271 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (lib/WebGUI/Flux/Rule.pm t/Flux/Rule.t): 04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: Squashed a bug where Flux wouldn't update dateRuleFirstTrue for a rule that was previously false04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: Added a test case to explicitly test this for future regressions.04:48
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8272 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Crypt/Crypt.t: Improved WebGUI::Crypt tests04:48
@preactionRadix-wrk, there's a "cache groups for how long" setting in the group configuration, that's how often04:49
Radix-wrkbut that indicates how long it's been cached for, no?04:50
Radix-wrkat the moment my new groups say 004:50
@preactionoh, SQL groups don't have any real members04:50
Radix-wrkso wondering if the sql got mangled somehow in the group04:51
@preactiona person's membership is calculated as necessary04:51
Radix-wrkAny way I can test to see if it's working?04:51
@preactionmake a group that has you and only you and try to send an e-mail to it?04:51
@preactionor use the "emailOverride" setting in the config to make sure only you get the e-mails?04:51
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CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8273 /Too many paths: Merge branch '7.6.2-beta' into flux06:47
CIA-6WebGUI: patspam * r8274 /branch/WebGUI_flux/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Merge branch 'survey2' into flux06:47
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8275 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/SiteIndex.pm: correct sitemap name in site index generator06:47
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Radix-wrkCongratulations President Obama - 44th President of the USA06:53
@perlmonkey2Holy crap this is an incredible night.07:01
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+perlDreamerwhoa, where did everyone go07:19
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8276 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 07:21
CIA-6WebGUI: Add the profile field needed by the UsersOnline macro.07:21
CIA-6WebGUI: Internationalized the profile field label.07:21
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8277 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Macro/UsersOnline.t): Update the UsersOnline test so that all tests pass.07:21
Radix-wrkhey PD07:21
Radix-wrkA black skinny kid with a funny name is now President of the USA :)07:22
@preactionamen to that07:23
Radix-wrkBoth very good speeches tho.. from McCain and Obama07:23
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Radix-wrkHAHAHA - http://www.flickr.com/photos/meghanplowman/3004092303/in/pool-perth_photo08:56
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nubawhat? hussein is the new US president? didnt they kill the guy for hiding WMD in somewherekistan?14:53
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@tavistolet me say that the new YUI tabs are damn sexy. Excellent job guys17:29
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ckotilIs there a good way to see which user trashed an asset?18:24
@preactionthe stateChangedBy field in the assets table i think18:25
ckotilok. ive already restored it tho. so that info is probably gone now?>18:25
@Haargit will be in the assetHistory table18:27
ckotilok nice.18:28
ckotilthat is a very useful table.18:31
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+perlDreamerSmoke tests didn't run on webgui.org last night.18:55
@rizenthat's cuz preaction is a bad girl18:58
@preactionsays who/18:58
+perlDreamerpreaction has mongo cojones, senor18:59
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+perlDreamerand the world's only WebGUI tie18:59
+perlDreamerchicks dig the tie18:59
@preactionmy smoke tests got run, what happened to yours, rizen?18:59
@rizenwhat do you mean mine?19:00
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@rizenyours are the ones that are supposed to do everything now19:00
@preactiondoesnt do the nightly build though19:00
@rizenwhat does your do then?19:00
@rizenwhat's the point of running an extra box if it's not on the current svn head?19:01
@preactionit is, it runs tests against SVN Head, and it could do the nightly build and upload it to plainblack.com19:01
+perlDreamerthey ran yesterday before the upgrade19:01
@preactionit also tests against the old stable branch19:01
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+perlDreamerpreaction, the SVN smoke test says that there is an error in test #8 of the syntax check test.19:27
+perlDreamerI can't duplicate that19:27
+perlDreamerCould you run it by hand and post what's up?19:27
@tavistoperlDreamer, when you installed WebGUI on your Fedora laptop, which release did you use?20:00
@tavistoof RHEL, the latest?20:00
+perlDreamerFedora 9.  I don't use RHEL.20:01
@tavistoyeah but when you installed WebGUI I mean, what version of the WRE did you use20:01
+perlDreamerNo WRE20:01
+perlDreamersource install20:01
@tavistooh poop20:01
+perlDreamerJust like Mom used to do it.20:01
@tavistowell you are no help to me20:02
+perlDreamerI know y'all love the WRE, but if you want to get into the distributions you'll need to get used to native installs20:02
+perlDreamerWhat's the problem that you're having?20:02
@tavistothere are platform specific notes in the WRE install but I was asked what WRE build someone should use if they're installing on Fedora20:02
@tavistoand I don't think I've been asked that before.20:02
+perlDreamerRHEL 520:02
@tavistoI did see your email about how there are only 12 modules missing or outdated for WebGUI20:02
+perlDreameryeah, but that's for a native install20:03
+perlDreamerI think that RHEL 5 is compatible with Fedora 920:03
@tavistothat's great news and I have an email from JT with the contact of a guy who volunteered to work on that. Need to send a followup email20:03
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@tavistoalright, I'll include that in my response then20:03
@preactionperlDreamer, "my" variable $q1 masks earlier declaration in same scope at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/POE/Component/IKC/Server.pm line 807.20:03
+perlDreamerthanks, preaction20:03
+perlDreamerI didn't anticipate that it would be a requirement20:03
+perlDreamerbut as long as all else is well :)20:04
@preactioni'm updating that module now20:04
+perlDreamerpreaction, in case I haven't said it lately, thank you for setting up and maintaining that test server20:06
+perlDreamerI know it's been a royal pain sometimes20:06
@Haargi guess that's something i didn't anticipate with the syntax check changes20:13
@HaargIf it comes up again in the future I'll have to add a filter so it only pays attension to compile warnings in our modules20:14
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@rizenif i have to choose between getting into distros or using the wre, i think i choose wre20:24
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@tavistoJT had a typo.. he meant getting into the Discos. He's a dance machine20:29
@tavistodoes a mean worm for sure20:30
+perlDreamer8 billion debian users can't be all wrong20:31
+perlDreamerexcept for not using Fedora20:31
+perlDreamerbopbop: postcards should be mailed tomorrow20:31
@bopbopgreat, thanks perldreamer! I appreciate your help.20:31
+perlDreamerI'm "inviting" Peter and Tim to write one as well20:31
@bopbopoh, Brennan will like that :)20:31
SDuensinGo go Debian & Gang!  I run my empire with Ubuntu.20:32
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knowmadhas anyone noticed that the tabs in data form are no longer movable?21:50
knowmadi've got a demo site that exhibits this behavior -- http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1225914329_522/home/untitled-data-form 21:51
knowmadtry moving tab1 to tab2; looks like it works but then refresh the page and it's back the way it was21:51
knowmadfiling a bug report21:51
metanilhow do we specify a default template for a particular asset?21:53
@rizenmetanil, you have to create a prototype21:54
knowmaduse a prototype21:54
@rizenor in 7.6 you can override the default in the config file21:54
knowmaddang, beat  me to the punch21:54
@rizenmetadata tab of the asset21:55
metanili didn't really get it rizen (sorry about that).21:57
@rizenstep 121:57
@rizenadd the asset that you want to add21:57
@rizenfrom the new content menu21:57
@rizenstep 2 21:57
@rizengo to the metadata tab21:57
@rizenstep 321:57
@rizenset "yes" on "make prototype?"21:57
@rizenstep 421:57
@rizenclick "save"21:58
@rizennow you have a prototype21:58
metanilI am creating asset by $asset->addChild({classname=>"WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder"............}):22:00
@rizensorry, thought you were "using" webgui22:01
@rizenyou're programming22:01
@rizenso if you want to set a template then you find out what the field is called22:01
@rizenlook in the definition of the asset22:01
@rizenthe default one is usually called templateId22:01
metaniloh .. i see.22:02
metanillike this one defaultValue => 'PBtmpl0000000000000078', namespace=>'Folder',22:03
@rizenso you can leave it that if you like22:03
@rizenor you can override it22:03
@rizenin addChild()22:03
metanilrizen, this will only apply during the creation of asset, if i somehow changed in manually to different, then it doesn't matter.22:04
metanili manual change will override this default one.. (obviously). :)22:04
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BartJo1so 7.6.2 is dutch, mmm, starnge way to spend my vacation22:35
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+perlDreamerMichael Crichton is dead22:51
BartJo1ah, is that the influence of Obama, or is Bush making some final statements?22:52
+perlDreamerI think it was some alien nano-virus22:52
@bopbopor cancer22:52
BartJo1oops, bad joke again, maybe I should just go drinking22:52
BartJo1so everybody here satified with the resuts of yesterday?22:58
@bopbopyes yes yes22:58
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juani have many attachements in a post, and i want ot sort them again, how can i do that?23:02
+perlDreamerjuan, there is no particular order that post attachments are put in.23:02
juanthere is no change to do it23:03
BartJo1juan: do you have multiple attachements in a single post? in that case I would have to agree with perlDraemer23:07
+perlDreamerjuan, one potential work around would be to use some javascript to do it23:09
@rizenperlDreamer: just because Michael Crichton didn't write Shawshank, doesn't mean you had to kill him23:13
juanyes, i have about 50 attachements in a single post23:15
juanperlDreamer, put  a javascript in the template?23:17
+perlDreamersince the order of the attachments is random, use the template to build a javascript array and then sort it23:18
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CIA-8WebGUI: graham * r8278 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI.pm docs/previousVersion.sql): update versions to 7.6.323:50
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metanilin templateId, there is defaultvalue and namespace.. what is actually mean by namespace??00:16
@preactionmetanil, the namespace of the template. see WebGUI::Form::Template and WebGUI::Asset::Template for more information00:17
@preactionthink of it as a way to label what template is used with which page00:18
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+perlDreamerbopbop, I need a second opinion for a label.  You have a sec?00:51
@bopbopsure perldreamer00:53
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+perlDreamerrelated to this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/900201:06
+perlDreamerI originally put in a label that said: Add a variant01:06
+perlDreamerSteve changed it to the English text: Set sku and price01:07
@bopboplooking at bug-sec01:07
@bopbopwas there an rfe or bug that caused Steve to change it?01:08
+perlDreamerNo.  I think that he thought that "Add a variant" wasn't clear enough01:09
+perlDreamerI'm starting to agree with him01:09
@bopbopI agree, I think set SKU and Price is easier01:09
@bopbopesp. for new commerce users01:09
+perlDreamerCool.  I'll make it that, then remove the English text in the template.01:12
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CIA-8WebGUI: doug * r8279 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm: fixed: SyndicatedContent asset throws runtime error with RSS feeds it cant deal with01:30
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CIA-8WebGUI: translation * r8281 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (16 files): Update from translation server01:30
CIA-8WebGUI: graham * r8282 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (17 files in 5 dirs): separate install from helpdesk01:30
CIA-8WebGUI: graham * r8283 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): use yui 2.5.2 datatable and datasource libs01:30
CIA-8WebGUI: graham * r8284 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Form/CommentRating.pm: CommentRating is in core now01:30
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miloidrrHi I have a question about cs template17:09
Lisettehow to do for get the assetId of a post that find in session?17:09
miloidrrHow can i add two variables in a template?17:09
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Lisettehow to do for get the assetId of a post that find in session?17:15
BartJo1hi Martin!17:16
BartJo1miloidrr: do you want two non existing tmp_vars?17:17
BartJo1then you'll have to program them in the Post17:17
BartJo1you mean vars in the post_loop?17:18
BartJo1just read the code to se how the others are added17:18
BartJo1and add yours the same17:18
BartJo1Lisette: can you rephrase that, I don't exactly understand what you're trying to do17:19
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BartJo1miloidrr: the existing vars are in the following files: ./Asset/Post/Thread.pm:         push (@{$var->{post_loop}}, \%replyVars);17:26
BartJo1./Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm:                push(@{$var->{post_loop}}, \%postVars );17:26
Lisettei have to do a macro that return the url of a atach of a post, but the parameter for to the macro is only the number of post, then i want find tha assetId of the post that called id17:29
Lisettesorry the macro17:29
BartJo1Ok can you put the code in paste bin?17:33
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BartJo1Lisette: or do you want the input to be the post's assetId17:38
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BartJo1thta is id in the <post_loop>17:42
BartJo1hi John17:42
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Guest64427My nickname was changed17:43
BartJo1well, we don't like you less because of that17:44
Guest64427jajajaj thanks17:49
+MrHairgreasedo we go to locus tonight?17:52
+MrHairgreaseas a domibo?17:52
BartJo1well, first I go to the movies with my mother17:52
BartJo1aster that I will be available for drinking17:53
+MrHairgreaseif you like you mom better than your friends...17:53
BartJo1but you have to work tomorrow17:53
+MrHairgreasei know17:53
BartJo1I just have to divide my attention between all that people who love me17:53
@perlmonkey2anything in particular I should keep in mind when merging the new survey into [HEAD]?17:54
+MrHairgreasei never said i loved you17:54
@rizenErin is not one of those people BartJo1 17:54
+MrHairgreasebut you're okay for the person you are =)17:54
@rizenkeep your damn hands off her17:54
BartJo1not yet rizen, not yet17:54
+MrHairgreasewho's erin?17:54
BartJo1but she's save from my hands till may17:54
+MrHairgreasei see17:55
BartJo1so you have time enough to win her, after that, it's your own fault rizen17:55
@rizenguess i better book a flight out to the east coast17:56
+MrHairgreasebart, will you be at de vrijmibo?17:57
BartJo1I will17:57
@perlmonkey2rizen: what do you have to fear from BartJo1?  I mean tall, handsome, sexy accent?  No threat there.17:57
+MrHairgreasethen, for now, let's take it easy and skip the domibo17:57
+MrHairgreasepm2: are you sure you're not talking about me?17:57
BartJo1and I won't try to confince her to stop smoking17:58
BartJo1MrHairgrease: you're not tall17:58
+MrHairgreaseI'm tall enough17:59
BartJo1but perlmonkey2, you think I'm handsome and have a sexy accent...mmm18:00
@perlmonkey2MrHairgrease: I could be, I get all you tall sexy Netherlanders confused :P18:00
@perlmonkey2BartJo1: what are you trying to say?18:00
+MrHairgreaseperlmonkey2: that's perfectly understandable18:00
BartJo1well, I was a bit doubting what you were saying18:01
BartJo1but don't keep your hopes up, I'm not gay18:01
@rizenBartJo1: true, you will win because you won't try to convince her to stop smoking18:01
@rizenBartJo1: but then i'll be without a mistress18:02
BartJo1Sarah said you could have Kerri18:02
@rizendon't want kerri18:02
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@perlmonkey2BartJo1: well, even if I was gay, my wife would do incredibly harmful things to me.18:02
@rizenshe annoys the hell out of me18:02
@rizenway too dramatic18:02
BartJo1she told me that too18:02
@rizenalright, fine. you take erin, kerri, and sarah. i'll just call up some whores. =)18:03
BartJo1she didn't seem to care18:03
BartJo1that's what you wanted anyway18:03
BartJo1if you will become a pimp, they're cheaper18:04
+MrHairgreaseseems the whole polygamistic hippie commune plan is up and ruinning again18:04
BartJo1perlmonkey2: your wife doesn't secretly wishes a threesome, or with my commune a sixsome?18:08
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@perlmonkey2BartJo1: you are starting a commune?  Does this signify the end of the world?18:09
BartJo1nope, just an enhancement of my sleeping conditions18:10
BartJo1and probably a lot of nagging18:10
CIA-8WebGUI: jt * r8290 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Added a better mechanism for calculating when content was last modified for cache headers.18:11
BartJo1but I'll have to go to watch a French movie with my mother18:13
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JohnRestrepoHi again18:41
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JohnRestrepoAnyone of you know how to use the Net::SAML extension?18:55
JohnRestrepoIn WebGUI18:55
JohnRestrepoanyone has used it?18:55
apeironJohnRestrepo, Nope, but if you wanted to use it with wG you'd probably need to write an Auth handler.18:58
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CIA-8WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8291 /tools/disableActivity.pl: This script will remove all activities matching an activity id or a title from every workflow in the site. A single site or all sites can be specified.20:01
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mikekgrhello there, is there any possibility to install webgui in a computer that have not direct connection to the internet (bihing proxy/firewall)???20:32
+perlDreamerWebGUI does not require access to the internet to function correctly20:32
+perlDreamercertain functions will not work, though20:33
+perlDreamerlike the Weather Asset, the Stock Tracker asset.20:33
+perlDreamertrying to fetch calendar feeds or RSS feeds from other external sites20:33
+perlDreamerand, the little feature that tells you if you're using the most up to date version of WebGUI20:33
+perlDreamerall optional20:33
mikekgryes but during installation at the update from internet phase stop installation due to no internet20:34
@preactionyou don't want to install that way20:34
mikekgrhow to install then???20:34
+perlDreamermaybe we need a "How to install WebGUI on an isolated server" wiki page20:34
@preactionyou'll need to download the WRE and the WebGUI versions you want, then do a Manual Install of webgui by extracting the WebGUI tarball to /data/WebGUI20:34
@preactionperlDreamer, good idea. or "How to do a manual install" or something20:35
+perlDreamerpreaction, if you dictate, I'll wiki it20:35
+perlDreamerAre there more details than you just went through?20:35
@preactionnot really20:35
mikekgrok give me 1-2 minutes to write after checking again20:35
@preactionyou go through the WRE's install procedure until it says "Installing WebGUI" and has the button for "Manual Install"20:36
@preactionBEFORE hitting that button, extract WebGUI to /data/WebGUI20:36
@preactionthen hit that button20:36
@preactionthat should be it20:36
+perlDreamerOkay, I'll start the page20:36
mikekgrI Download and try to installed WRE (for Debian), I followed this instructions: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation  the step that was not possible to finish was: " ./wreconsole.pl " Any workaround?20:39
@preactionwhy can't you run the wreconsole?20:40
+perlDreamermikekgr: What happens when you try to run the wreconsole?20:41
mikekgrNo I can run it but when I go to: http://myserver:60834/setup there need to do update check and have problem here...20:41
@preactionmikekgr, what step is that?20:41
@preactionit should just time out and proceed normally20:42
mikekgrI am not at that computer right now but this page try to setup everything and when try to "check for update" stopped here and at "server" console take an error that the update can not be done and stay there...20:43
mikekgrno it does not continue after that error20:44
@preactionunless i know what step that is i can't help you. was it after you clicked "Automatic Install"?20:44
mikekgryes sure20:45
@preactionthat's what you don't want to do. The other button on that page is "Manual Install", and that's the button you want20:45
@preactionas i mentioned above, BEFORE you hit Manual Install, you unzip the WebGUI tarball to /data/WebGUI20:46
@preactionthat's the tarball you got from http://update.webgui.org20:46
mikekgrok I see I will try it tomorrow. Many thanks20:46
+perlDreamerpreaction: wiki page is up21:09
+perlDreamerIt could use some linkage and some indexage, but people who search should find it21:09
@preactionsweet, thanks21:09
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@preactionuh... why does the t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/DataForm.t test the Article asset?21:20
@Haargthat may be my fault21:21
@Haargindeed it is21:22
@preactionhow is testing the DataForm going to work if it creates a new revision of itself with every action?21:25
@preactionoh, nm21:25
@preactionthose are only the www_ actions21:25
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topsubI wasn't logged into the webgui.org site and went to view a forum post and gave me permission deined. Is that correct?21:48
@perlmonkey2hmm, I'm merging the Survey2 branch to HEAD, which is all new files exept for Survey.pm.  I don't want to merge it because nothing in the original should stay.  Should I svn del it then readd it with the new file?21:48
@preactiontopsub, which forum post?21:49
@preactionperlmonkey2, that should work fine21:50
topsubit was ,http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/two-proxies-pointing-to-the-same-modperl#piIfU0tfORt2TENZlGcmog21:50
topsubbut now i log out and try it again and it works fine21:51
topsubNot sure why the first time i went to the post it said permission deined21:51
@preactionyeah. not sure either...21:51
@preactioni logged out and works fine for me21:51
@preactionif you can reproduce, let us know so we can look deeper21:51
topsubhmm ya now i just sound werid because i can't reproduce it.. lol21:54
topsubSeems to be fine. not sure where it thought i was trying to go to give me permission deined.21:54
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metanili think the line no 314 at file /extras/assetManager/assetManager.js should be fixed..22:32
metanilits -->>  var url = "http://" + hostName + this.focusObject.metaData.url;22:33
metanilhard coded "http://"22:33
@perlmonkey2If I try to merge Survey2 branch objects that didn't exist in head, I get a they don't exist error. If I try to add them, I get a they are already under source control error.22:33
@preactionperlmonkey2, did you copy the .svn directories from your branch? that could be the problem22:33
@perlmonkey2hmm, I'll check22:33
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+perlDreamermetanil, please file that as a bug23:05
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@Haargperlmonkey2, did you get the survey merged?  it looks like it's missing the main file23:46
@perlmonkey2Haarg: how so?23:54
@perlmonkey2Survey.pm should be there23:54
+perlDreamerNo Survey.pm23:55
@Haargyou can't add and delete a file in one rev with svn23:56
@Haargyou can change a file though23:56
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@perlmonkey2okay, added23:58
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Bernd_rizen, I just met Klaus in Mannheim at our first webgui drinks.00:02
Bernd_We have discussed about how to grow the German community.00:02
Bernd_Would it be possible to have a German forum on webgui.org?00:03
@rizenif that would help you, sure00:03
@rizeni'm all about growing the community00:03
Bernd_I am thinking about something like a self-assignable webgui group.00:03
@rizenbut...wouldn't it be better to have a full german site?00:03
Bernd_We could internationalize webgui.org at one point.00:04
Bernd_webgui-cms.de is already dead.00:04
Bernd_And Andreas Graf (the owner) does not seem to be interested that much00:04
Bernd_in revitalizing it.00:04
Bernd_A forum would be a good starting point.00:04
Bernd_What about a webgui group to which people can assign by themselves.00:05
@rizenwell if you want a forum i can give you that00:05
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@rizenwhat is the group for?00:05
Bernd_To make the forum visible.00:05
@rizenwhy not just always leave it visible?00:05
Bernd_That way we can have many national groups on webgui.org00:05
Bernd_and still keep the board tidy and short.00:06
@rizeni know what you're saying, but why not have all the national groups visible? i think it makes the webgui community look bigger and cooler00:06
Bernd_I mean, the German forum is probably only the beginning.00:06
Bernd_Alright. 00:06
Bernd_Make it visible then.00:06
@rizencould you type the name as it should appear in german?00:07
@rizenso i can put it in?00:07
Bernd_Now? Or as an RFE?00:07
@rizeni'll do it now00:07
Bernd_>Good. Let me think for a moment.00:07
@rizeni'll also make your user account the "owner" of the CS so that you can edit it00:07
Bernd_What about the translation of "German user group"?00:08
Bernd_as title, I mean.00:08
@rizenfine by me...whatever you think will attract german speaking users00:08
Bernd_Let's go with that for the moment. The German translation is "Deutsche Benutzergruppe".00:09
Bernd_We can still change it later on.00:09
@rizenoh and also type up a one or two sentence description in german00:09
@rizenlike each other forum has00:09
@rizena description00:09
Bernd_Can I do that later on?00:09
@rizeni guess so since you'll have edit rights00:09
Bernd_I am still in the train, it is late and I have had more than two beers.00:09
Bernd_We have also agreed on meeting regularly.00:10
@rizenok, when you sober up and wake up, post a welcome message to the board00:10
Bernd_That is once a month. Alternating between Heidelberg and Mannheim.00:10
Bernd_I am going to post to the calendar soon.00:10
Bernd_Hope there are more to join.00:10
Bernd_One more thing:00:11
Bernd_What about the extended demo I have suggested to tavis already?00:11
Bernd_Have you read that thread?00:11
@rizenhaven't read that thread00:11
@rizeni'll go look for it00:12
Bernd_I think we could attract a lot more people by offering an extended demo for about one month.00:12
Bernd_That way people can play with webgui a bit more.00:12
Bernd_Klaus would be willing to fund a server for German users.00:12
@rizendo you want an email address associated with it?00:12
@rizenor do you want to decide that later?00:13
Bernd_The forum?00:13
@rizenyeah so people can email in to the forum00:13
Bernd_Oh, yes!00:13
Bernd_E-mail is always good.00:13
Bernd_something like krauts@webgui.org00:13
@rizeni'll get it created00:13
Bernd_Back to the extended demo...00:14
Bernd_The idea is to have some low-budget hosting00:14
Bernd_for small private sites.00:14
Bernd_Very small sites, I mean.00:14
Bernd_Just to attract users.,00:14
Bernd_However, what is missing is a quota in the wre.00:14
Bernd_What do you think,00:15
Bernd_would that work for attracting more people?00:15
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Bernd_Ah, KlausH!00:16
Bernd_Already discussing :-)00:16
Bernd_JT is about creating our forum!!!00:16
KlausHHi Bernd!00:16
KlausHGreat! 00:16
@rizenBernd webgui has asset quotes00:16
Bernd_We still have come up with a description until tomorrow,00:16
@rizenyou can say...this site can only have 400 assets00:17
Bernd_I did not know. Where can I specify? In the webgui conf file?00:17
Bernd_But more importantly, do you think this could be a model for attracting more people to webgui?00:18
@rizenwebgui config file00:18
@rizeni haven't read the forum post yet00:18
Bernd_Going to have look.00:18
@rizenyour forum is online now...well pending spectre committing it00:19
Bernd_Check the thread on the ct article.00:19
Bernd_It was about how to generate extra values for their customers.00:19
@Haargperlmonkey2, intentional?  https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision?rev=8296#diff__WebGUI_lib_WebGUI_Workflow_Activity_ArchiveOldThreads.pm00:19
Bernd_ct did not want to publish webgui as part of their software collection00:19
Bernd_since it is free and does not come with any extra value.00:19
Bernd_My suggestion was to give hosting coupons to their reades00:20
Bernd_readers for an extended demo00:20
Bernd_But I think this would be a great think in general.00:20
Bernd_Currently, there is still too little activity on webgui.org.00:21
Bernd_We need more users.00:21
Bernd_I think students are a good target group.00:21
Bernd_They have time contribute.00:21
Bernd_But we need to get them play with webgui first.00:21
KlausHBernd, will you do the intial post on the German discussion board00:22
Bernd_The current demo is good for a first impression.00:22
Bernd_KlausH, yes!00:22
Bernd_But tomorrow.00:22
Bernd_Immediately after breakfast.00:22
Bernd_rizen, so what do you think about an extended demo and a subsequent low-budget hosting plan for private users?00:23
@rizenon phone...in the mean time, can you get me the url to the discussion you're talking about00:23
@rizenok, off the phone00:26
Bernd_Ok. I found it! It was this one http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/webgui-article-in-german-linux-magazine?pn=200:26
@rizenwhere is that thread00:26
Bernd_KlausH, schon eine Idee f?r die Beschreibung der Gruppe?00:27
@rizenmy answer = exactly what tavisto said00:28
Bernd_That means, you are going to work on it?00:29
@tavistowhat about tavisto?00:30
@tavistowhy are you bouncing my Colloquy icon?00:30
Bernd_Would it be ok, if Klaus and me took the lead?00:32
Bernd_Not that expensive to rent a root server these days.00:32
Bernd_And I do not expect users to flood us with requests.00:32
Bernd_tavisto, what is a Colloquy icon?00:33
@rizentavisto what you said regarding automated hosting and extended demos on the forum00:33
@tavistoheh, on a Mac the default IRC client is colloquy00:33
@tavistogotcha Rizen, I caught up on the convo now00:33
Bernd_So, are there any plans to do that?00:33
@rizenBernd_: no that doesn't mean we're going to work on it. it means that we can't even consider working on it until the hosting automation system is fully in place00:33
Bernd_Or shall we do that as a community.00:33
@rizenand it won't be in place until *at least* January 2009.00:34
Bernd_But hosting automation is being worked on?00:34
@rizenas we speak00:34
Bernd_2009 is coming soon.#00:34
@rizeni'm spending about 20 hours per week (and sometimes more) 00:34
Bernd_No need to be impatient.00:34
Bernd_Good. In that case, I think we are going to wait.00:34
Bernd_Keep on working :-) !00:35
Bernd_I am approaching my home.00:35
Bernd_Going to stop here.00:35
Bernd_Good night!00:35
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@rizenpatspam: it appears that the first German webgui drink was a huge success00:37
@rizenhow's the australian one?00:37
@tavistoRizen, you do realize we will exceed 1000 CMS products by the end of 2008 right? If not by the end of this month.00:38
@tavistoI think this week we've already got around 3-4 new CMS products, and I have one pending where I'm waiting to hear from a vendor00:38
@tavistoaccording to the numbers I've seen in past articles, that means we could potentially only be reporting about half the CMS products currently available.00:39
@rizeni know00:39
@rizencmsmatrix.org is exploding all over the place00:40
@tavistoyeah, our visitors aren't growing inline but the amount of vendors finding us definitely is00:40
@tavistowe're actually just consistent now after our last growth spurt of 10-15k to around 60k00:40
@rizenit will come00:41
@rizenthe more data we have the more users we will have00:41
@tavistoyup, I have no doubt.00:41
@tavistoI think our phase 2 advertising plan must go into affect.. hot babes in bikini photo galleries00:42
@tavistoI'm pretty sure no ones ever tried that technique before00:42
@rizeni'm pretty sure every dating site on the internet uses ads like that00:43
@rizenthe hottest chicks i see on the internet are always the ads pointing to dating sites. =)00:43
@tavistoyeah, just maybe.. and I even had a typo with affect... should be effect. I suck00:44
@tavistothat's 100% true.00:44
@tavistoBUT, I wonder if that's true on the muslim dating site you found.00:44
nubahaha dating sites use imagemagik & geoip to convince people that the pics they're seeing is from local girls00:49
nubathey have this 'hot babes pic database' and "burn" your city name in a random pic00:50
nubabut its funny when they do that and your population's average girls are soo different than US'00:51
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: oh crap...looks like I somehow edited that file instead of where I pasted teh code to.01:00
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: I'm rolling it back now01:01
wgGuest95hello there, could someone tell me how to have/use a few fonts in my webgui pages?01:01
@preactionwgGuest95, most likely you'll have to edit the HTML source or create a stylesheet that has some classes for your fonts01:04
+perlDreamerDoritos rock01:04
@perlmonkey2Haarg: ah, I guess checking out the last good version and then trying to check it in, isn't have you roll back.01:05
wgGuest95from admin console and using graphics I upload a few... How can edit the html source or create a stylesheet?01:05
@perlmonkey2ah, merge01:06
@Haargyeah, svn is kind of a pile01:06
@preactionwgGuest95, those fonts aren't for in the page, they're for the graphs that WebGUI creates01:06
+perlDreamerwgGuest95, the graphics console is only for creating graphics through WebGUI like pie charts and graphs01:06
@preactionthere's no good way to push those fonts to the people viewing your web site, which is why most websites just use a few default fonts like Arial, Courier, and Tahoma01:07
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wgGuest95ok thanks, now only left the question how can have my defaul favorit fonts (Arial, Tahoma etc) inside webgui?01:08
@perlmonkey2svn merge -c -6258 urlToModule, right?01:08
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@preactionwgGuest95, you will need to edit your stylesheet (the CSS file)01:09
@preactionwgGuest95, http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-give-webgui-your-own-style <- here's a good wiki article on how to edit style templates and stylesheets01:09
wgGuest95ok thanks I will check it!!!01:10
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@perlmonkey2ah, -c doens't work, have to use -r01:16
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elninoI was wondering if there is a way to add some layouts to the "design wizard" in webgui... Is it using templates in webgui? or is some pl files somewhere?  04:34
@preactionit's some pl files somewhere i think04:34
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elninook. Thanks preaction05:20
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elninowill the new survey in 7.6 support conditional questions?  so if you answer one way, it'll ask you one thing, if it asks you another, it asks you a different one?06:21
@preactionit calls it "branching"06:23
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elninook. Thanks preaction.07:08
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BartJolhee, the topic is old15:02
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SDuensinEveryone must be hard at work today.  No chatter!18:29
AMH_henryfor me weekend just started! :D18:31
SDuensinCongrats.  Bum.  :-)18:31
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SDuensinIf I go and build a bunch of Things and later edit them, does the data already existing inside them survive?18:57
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@rizensurvive editing?18:57
@rizenoh you mean edit the schema of them?18:57
@rizendata will survive18:58
@rizenbut the new fields added will be empty18:58
* SDuensin is still gun shy but fascinated at the same time.18:58
@rizenand fields that get deleted will lose their data18:58
SDuensinThat's cool.18:58
@rizenIsn't thingy cool?18:58
SDuensinI want to try and use it to build an application for my users to manage their domains.18:58
SDuensinSo far it seems very cool.  Except for when it went haywire on me the other night.18:59
@rizenOur biggest use of it currently is that we have a rolodex of all of our customers, vendors, contractors, employees, etc18:59
@rizenand notes about them18:59
SDuensinSounds similar to what I want.  Just the UI.  All the actual work will be done by a cron job or workflow or something.19:00
SDuensinKinda like how I use WebGUI to manage my CloudCircle subscriptions.  Logons are synced by a cron job on another box.19:00
SDuensinI got into trouble when I started changing fields that had relationships on them.19:02
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SDuensinI got into trouble when I started changing fields that had relationships on them.19:02
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CIA-6WebGUI: amhhenry * r8320 /branch/alphamega/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Updated comments (removed reference to AMH). Put SQL statements for upgrade19:34
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+perlDreamernext version is 7.6.4?20:10
@preaction763 i think20:11
@preactionyeah 7.6.3, 7.6.2 is released20:13
+perlDreamercool.  I'm fixing a template so I want to put the package in the right place.20:22
SDuensinCan a Thing be an auto-increment value?20:32
+perlDreamerno idea, sduensin21:15
SDuensinI worked around it.  It'd still be helpful.21:16
* SDuensin is working on replacing Plesk with Things.21:16
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Bernd_Hey, is the HelpDesk still broken?21:23
Bernd_At least it does not work for me.21:23
Bernd_I would like to upload a patch for the UserList asset.21:23
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Bernd_But I cannot see any of the bugs at the moment.21:24
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Bernd_perlDreamer, I have the patch for the UserList asset ready.21:26
Bernd_But I cannot upload.21:27
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: now what was the issue with the tests?21:31
+perlDreameri18n/help.t is using Help/Asset_Survey as a source of data21:32
+perlDreamerthe i18n that it was pointing to went away21:32
+perlDreamerso Help/Asset_Survey needs to be updated, and have legal i18n links21:32
@perlmonkey2okay, I'll see if I can do it after $work :P21:33
+perlDreamernormally, Help, i18n and templating is part of $dayJob for contracts, but I don't know your current tasking21:33
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: how does the help.t work.  I'm not seeing anything including/using anything with survey\c in it.21:37
+perlDreamerit gets a list of help files, then takes the data structures from each one and makes sure that all labels have valid i18n entries21:38
+perlDreamerhelp.t is not the problem21:38
@perlmonkey2I didn't remove any help files.  I removed Asset_Survey and replaced it.21:39
+perlDreamerI'll try to find a good example21:39
+perlDreamerin Asset_Survey21:41
+perlDreamerthe survey response template looks for a title entry named 108921:41
+perlDreamerthat entry, 1089, does not exist in the i18n file21:41
@perlmonkey2help.t runs through all the templates and makes sure the i18n calls are there.21:42
+perlDreamerhelp.t runs through all Help files and makes sure the i18n calls are there21:42
+perlDreamerI'm assuming, (probably badly) that when you replaced the i18n file, that the Help file wasn't updated at the same time.21:44
@perlmonkey2oh man....I've got a lot of work to do there.21:47
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Some idiot (me) cut off a really important line of code when cleaning up this file.22:00
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SDuensinAnybody got a recommendation for integrating an actual database with WebGUI.  Like pretty web-based forms and such.  Thingy is close, but not quite, what I need.22:10
@preactionSQLForm maybe? SQLReport perhaps? A custom application?22:11
SDuensinI'm hoping for pointy-clicky.  :-)22:11
+perlDreamerSDuensin, patches and RFEs for Things gratefully accepted ;)22:11
+perlDreamerWe know that you know how to sling a text editor around22:12
SDuensinWho?  Me?  :-P22:12
+perlDreamerYou can't hide behind that fresh-faced newbie exterior forever, dudely22:12
SDuensinI plan on helping you all to rule the world.  But I need online *now* so I can afford to live.22:12
+perlDreamerI see22:14
+perlDreamerYou need the autoincrement thing you mentioned earlier22:14
+perlDreamerOr is it something else?22:14
SDuensinIdeally?  Build FileMaker into WebGUI.  I'll wait.  :-)22:14
SDuensinYea.  Easy pointy-clicky DB builder with web UI options.22:15
@preactionwhat is Thingy missing that you need?22:16
SDuensinForms to customize the UI.22:16
@preactionforms? like a drag-drop wizard to make the forms?22:17
@preactionyou can edit the templates already22:17
SDuensinI know that.  But it's not fast.22:17
@preactionthe app you want isn't easy either :p22:18
SDuensinI know that.  :-)22:18
@preactionbut it's probably easier than a generic template wizarding thing22:18
@perlmonkey2preaction: you know that SQL Report bug.  Try a limit that causes multiple pages from the paginator.  Then if you can figure it out, I'll owe you enough beers to see you passed out under the table.22:19
SDuensinI know.  I'm just "into" pointy-clicky lately.  I want tools so a couple people can do the work of dozens.22:20
@preactionright, but a dozen people will need to make those tools ;-) large up-front cost == smaller maintenance costs22:20
@preactionperlmonkey2, i would look at how Paginator adds its own limit clause. that's most likely where the bug is22:20
SDuensinYea, but templates are my problem.  Tools are YOUR problem.  :-P22:21
@perlmonkey2hmm, I used to be able to replicate, but now I can't.  22:21
@preactionit might be prudent to build some testing for it, instead of trying to test from the frontend22:21
@preactionSDuensin, i could think of some compromises that could be made to make thingy easier to template. perhaps tabbed forms like DataForm?22:22
@perlmonkey2preaction: I'd call this corrected. I have 2000 returns in my query, paginating on 5 per page, and it happens subsecond.22:22
@perlmonkey2I'll look at SVN at the paginator to see what changed.22:22
@preactionperlmonkey2, i think there was something about there being a subquery as well, no?22:22
SDuensinpreaction - Not sure.  Mainly I need more navigation tools.  I'll look at the templates to see what I can do.  I mainly need to drill down into data and be able to come back up.  I've got a lot of many-to-one relations.22:23
@perlmonkey2preaction: oh, yeah, now I remember.  It was when it was downloaded22:23
@perlmonkey2preaction: looks like the bug I'm looking at isn't the same one I looked at before (been several months).  But I think there was a subquery in the previous one.  I'll test it with the subquery.  But if that works, I'd call this fixed.22:25
@perlmonkey2wow, that query should have set my server on fire and instead it was also subsecond.22:26
@perlmonkey2queried for everything on an unindexed column, and the subquery did the same.22:27
@perlmonkey2preaction: nevermind it isn't corrected  "select * from assetData where title in (select title from assetData) limit 100" is an easy test which kills it.  And from the last time I looked at this, it woudl require a serious replumbing of the paginator.22:31
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@preactionwhat would you have to do exactly? what in the paginator is the problem?22:44
SDuensinperlmonkey2 - Ooo:  http://www.wavemaker.com22:52
SDuensinEr, preaction that is.22:52
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: community edition is AGPL22:56
@preactionhow dare you want rich applications without doing any work!22:56
SDuensinAGPL works for what I want.  Not for integrating with WebGUI for release.22:57
@preactioni'm saying i can make a WebGUI::Asset::Template::Wizard::Thingy, but I'm also saying to not hold your breath waiting for it22:57
SDuensinI know.  :-)22:58
@perlmonkey2preaction: I don't recall about the paginator.  But I remember it was something where the solution was inherent in the paginator.22:58
@preactionperlmonkey2, imho if you do a query like that and expect to download it, you should be prepared for it to take too long22:59
@perlmonkey2preaction: it won't take a long time, it will take forever.  22:59
@preactionthat query would take forever at the mysql client, that's not something we can control23:00
@perlmonkey2There is a rather large param DEFINED in the paginator has to run once for each iteration.  23:00
@perlmonkey2to find the problem just look for the param that is like 9999999999999999 or some such.23:00
@perlmonkey2it isn't at the mysql client.  It is what the paginator is doing.23:00
@perlmonkey2I remember find that param and realizing it had to be there and there was no simple solution.23:01
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@preactionok, put as much info as possible into the bug report, we'll still need to fix it, but it's a little bug not a big one23:02
@perlmonkey2preaction: okay, I'll dive back into Paginator and document what I find this time :P23:02
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: that app shows the incredible power of the CRUD concept.23:02
@preactionperlmonkey2, you don't have to do that, just next time there's a problem like that23:03
@perlmonkey2preaction: yeah, it was a long time ago, I think before I was an employee.23:03
@preactionif you can't fix it, at least write down as much as possible that you found out23:03
@perlmonkey2and I was trying to knock out bugs as fast as I could, and just moved along if I could fix it in a timely manner.23:03
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8322 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix add variant i18n bug23:07
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8323 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting Sku i18n fix23:07
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+perlDreamerpreaction, where can I find an example of the AJAX i18n calls?23:27
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@perlmonkey2jsIdiot: what asset would answer the calls?23:41
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snapcountIs it possible to use a template variable from a template in the head block of the template?23:51
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@preactionsnapcount, no. in 7.6 it's possible to pass a data structure to the template's prepare() method, which allows template vars in there, but currently assets only use it for Metadata00:51
snapcountok ty01:16
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@tavistonuba, ping01:54
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nubatavisto: pong02:38
@tavistohey nuba, I was curious if this site (in .br) is a legit CMS vendor02:38
nuba[22:08] <@tavisto> Ihttp://www.visionnaire.com.br03:00
nuba[22:08] <@tavisto> Ihttp://www.visionnaire.com.br03:00
@tavistois that a legit vendor?03:00
nubasucks to use other people`s terminal with configs all messed up03:01
nubamessed up = different than mine`s :D03:01
nubalet me check03:01
nubanever heard of them before03:01
@tavistoI used google translate but the site doesn't really go into much detail about CMS03:01
nubathats their CMS product03:04
nubaits called Visionnaire webpublication03:05
nubait seems pretty much legit03:06
nubai mean just legit as websites go03:07
@tavistook so the product is legigt03:07
nubathey sport a list of know companies as clients03:07
@tavistolegit. That's what I wanted to make sure since I can't read the context of the site where it shows the CMS info03:07
nubathey also claim to be partially financed by a couple of big banks03:08
nubait all looks convincing03:08
nubanot overproduced, they could have done better03:08
nubaits average looking03:08
nubaand theres a couple of `success stories` on http://www.visionnaire.com.br/downloads/cases/case_fiep_webp.pdf and http://www.visionnaire.com.br/downloads/cases/case_usf_webp.pdf03:09
nubathats it03:09
@tavistoalright, great thanks Nuba. I can now add them as a CMS on the cmsmatrix03:10
@tavistothat will put us at 980 CMS products listed03:10
nubayoure welcome03:10
nubacool, every notch counts03:11
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+crythias1Can I just say, "Thank You" for WebGUI?20:07
+crythias1I'm pretty much amazed at it (finally?) doing the stuff that *makes sense* ...20:08
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+perlDreamerpreaction: need a 2nd opinion.  Art thou available?21:38
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r8324 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: update method alters the reference it is sent. Fix this by using Clone, which is a grandfathered prerequisite21:43
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Bernd_preaction, I think I am done with implementing a fallback mechanism for translations allowing local flavors.22:26
Bernd_I have modified the get function in WebGUI::International22:27
Bernd_so far.22:27
Bernd_Seems to work.22:27
Bernd_Is there anything else I need to consider?22:27
Bernd_Maybe I should explain a bit more.22:27
Bernd_You can set a fallback language in the language properties now that is preferred over English.22:28
Bernd_If an id is missing, the fallback language is checked first.22:28
Bernd_Only if the id is missing there as well, English is used as the last option.22:28
Bernd_Are there any other parts in WebGUI that may be affected?22:29
Bernd_I see. It's weekend :-)22:31
Bernd_Going to bug you again on Monday.22:31
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patspamlooks like the upgrade to YUI 2.6 broke Thingy02:29
patspamin the latest beta02:30
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+Radix-wrkThat sounds so wrong if you say it out loud.. "YUI broke my thingy!"03:59
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rjacobsenis this working?18:52
rjacobseni have a (hopefully) real simple question18:52
rjacobseni am working inside the template of webgui - and want to check to see if the user logged in is Admin.... so i typed <tmpl_if user.isAdmin> but it is not working18:53
rjacobsenwhat is the correct variable for the user to show it is admin?18:53
rjacobsenthe only ones i know are user.isModerator and user.isVisitor18:54
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* SDuensin and templates are not a great mix.18:55
+perlDreamerI thought SDuensin went great with everything18:56
+perlDreamerkind of like beer18:56
SDuensinHe is, but not when he's sick.18:56
SDuensinI'm lucky to be able to type.18:57
rjacobsenis there a guide somewhere to all the user variables available?18:57
rjacobsenthey used to be in the help of webgui, but i dont see them there anymore18:58
SDuensinYea, they're all on the wiki.18:58
SDuensinBut they change depending on what the template is.18:59
SDuensinperlDreamer - I plan on ruling the world with WebGUI and my brain.  As soon as my brain works again.18:59
rjacobseni just want something like <tmpl_if user.isAdmin> to check to see if the user logged in is Admin or not18:59
@rizenthey're all in the help19:00
@rizenall template variables for all templates are in the help19:01
rjacobseni looked19:01
@rizenif it's not in the help, then the variable doesn't exist19:01
SDuensinWow.  I said the same thing as rizen for once.  :-P19:01
rjacobsencan you pls just tell me what user. i would use to see if the person logged in is admin? because I trully cannot find it (or i wouldnt be here)19:02
rjacobsenand i have been the past 2 hours looking through the help menu19:02
SDuensinWhat kind of template is it?19:03
rjacobsenadmin toggle19:03
@rizenthere is no variable to tell if the current user is an admin19:04
rjacobseni dont wanna show it if the person is not admin19:04
@rizenyou need to use GroupText macro19:04
rjacobsenok lemme look that up19:04
rjacobseni see group add and group delete but no grouptext19:05
rjacobsenahh i see it19:05
rjacobsenbut how can i use a macro in a templ_if??19:05
@rizenyou can't19:05
@rizenyou don't need to19:06
@rizen^GroupText(3,display this thing here);19:06
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rjacobsenso group 3 would see the text19:06
@rizenexcept don't use 3 use the name of the group19:06
@rizenlike Admins19:06
rjacobsenbut can i put a ^asset url inside the "display this thing here"?19:06
rjacobsenvery nice19:07
rjacobsenvery very nice19:07
rjacobsenthank you so much19:07
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SDuensinThis is somewhat off-topic, but...  What's the best MySQL tool you've found?  I want something I can diagram with and manage FKs and such.19:09
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@rizenthe only one I've ever used for mysql is Datanamic DeZine for Databases19:18
+perlDreamerAgreed, SDuensin.  Functional brain is required for world domination.19:19
SDuensinrizen - Is it any good?19:20
@rizeni don't like graphical tools like that, so i'm a bad one to ask19:21
@rizenbut for what it does, i thought it was ok19:21
SDuensinI have the ever-creatively-named "SQLEditor" installed now.  Undecided.19:22
SDuensinHmm.  Navicat looks nice.19:31
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rjacobsenrizen thanks man - that was exactly what i needed19:50
@rizenyou're welcome - pay me back by helping someone in IRC or on the forums when they have a question19:50
rjacobseni do have one more question .... is there any way to keep "Show admin console" from showing up when editing a page?19:50
SDuensinTake it out of the template.19:51
rjacobsenthere is a page for "edit page layout"??19:52
rjacobseni didnt know that19:52
CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8329 /translations/Danish/Danish/ (13 files): Update from translation server19:52
@rizenit's the admin console template19:52
@rizenand you better not do what SD just said19:52
@rizenor you'll likely break your site19:52
@rizenso the answer is "no"19:52
SDuensinSD had more things to go with his statement.19:52
SDuensinLike create an "admin" URL that has the macro in it.  :-P19:53
rjacobsenso i can create my own edit page template?19:53
rjacobsenlemme explain what im tryin to do and maybe that would be easier - when someone clicks edit (and they are not admin) - i do not want them to be able to do anything else but edit the text on that page and click save or cancel - is that possible?19:55
nubai suppose UI levels are what youore after19:56
rjacobsenya maybe - but it still doesnt turn everything off19:57
nubausers with different UI levels see different forms while editing19:57
nubayou could look into fine-tuning it accordingly to your needs19:57
rjacobsenya im a noob when it comes to groups - not sure what to put in the fields to make stuff not show and stuff20:00
rjacobsenlike i went in to create a new group and im not sure what to change to make the new group unique and to decide what will and will not show for that group20:02
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knowmadHaarg: can you talk for a minute about my support ticket? i think we can resolve it more quickly via irc20:08
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mediakif anyone knows, it would be cool.... how can i edit what a group can and cannot do.... i do not see that anywhere :(20:11
knowmadthat would be a nice feature but i don't think there's a way to do it right now20:12
knowmadyou could probably write an sql report to generate the info20:12
mediakok what uimode would not be able to see "Show admin console"?20:13
knowmadthere is a Permissions tab in admin console under Settings20:13
knowmadthat's not fully documented20:14
mediakthats what i was lookin for20:14
knowmadwithout editing the admin templates, i think that any user with turn admin on will get the ability to see admin console20:15
knowmadoh, good; i thought you were talking about being able to view asset permissions assigned to a group20:15
mediakthey can still see "show admin console"20:16
mediakhave to find a uimode that cant see it20:16
knowmadwhat are you trying to accomplish?20:18
mediaktrying to make it to where the user can edit the text on a page in webgui, save or cancel the changes, but nothing else20:19
mediaki can get rid of everything EXCEPT "Show admin console".........20:23
mediakcant figure out how to get rid of it - or make my own page edit template20:24
mediakok ....ill just use ad managers20:27
mediakseems they have the least abilities20:28
knowmadmediak: sorry, got distracted20:35
knowmadwhere do you see "Show admin console"? in the admin toolbar?20:35
mediakwhen they click "Edit" - it opens the edit page layout window and on the right side it says "Show admin console", and I cannot find a way to get rid of it20:36
+perlDreamermediak, there's no way to do what you're asking.  It's not a templatable function.20:36
+perlDreamerIf they can Turn On Admin (to get to editing controls) they will be able to see the Show Admin Console link20:37
+perlDreamerand I take that back20:37
+perlDreamerit is templatable20:37
mediaki understand that - but is there a ui level that doesnt show it?20:37
+perlDreamersee WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm for the code that generates the editing interface that you're concerned about20:37
knowmadthanks for the help pd20:39
+perlDreamermediak, a good option would be to put your restricted users in a special group20:39
+perlDreamerCall it No Console20:39
mediaki have made a group but dont know how to set it not to show the console20:40
+perlDreamerThen, edit the default Admin Console template and use the GroupText macro to isolate that link, if that's possible20:40
mediakok i see how that can work.... but how would i make the edit page open with the admin console template that i create rather than the default?20:44
mediakNEVERMIND LOL20:45
mediakjust figured it out20:45
mediaki will use the grouptext macro to only show toggleAdminConsole() is group is Admins20:45
mediakproblem solved20:46
mediakthat worked20:48
mediakthanx perlDreamer for the idea20:48
@Haargknowmad: i'm here now20:52
knowmadhey haarg20:53
knowmadthanks for the reply; i've found the problem which was due to a bad sitename configuration20:53
knowmadam posting a reply to the ticket20:54
@Haargok, so it was a spectre issue?20:54
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knowmadwell, insomuch as i had misconfigured my conf file due to some complexities involved in how we have apache configured20:54
knowmadthere's no bug20:55
knowmadif that's what you were asking20:55
knowmadhowever, there is a patch i'm going to submit to provide better error reporting from spectre20:55
@Haargthat would be nice.  i've been meaning to look at getting better error reports out of spectre20:55
@Haargthe current mess of html that gets spit out is rather useless20:56
knowmadwell, it looks like you've already fixed this one in wG 7.5; i was running under 7.4.40 which didn't output the error results from an eval block20:58
knowmadbtw, i also looked up sitename in the Admin Guide and have the answer to my question in the follow-up to my ticket; unless you have more to add, you can close out that ticket20:59
knowmadi concur with you about the "mess of html" being unhelpful in debugging spectre issues20:59
knowmadthat's a bigger problem than i have the tuits for today20:59
@Haargthe thing that's most annoying21:00
@Haargis that what gets output in the log is a 500 error, even though that isn't what happened21:01
@Haargthat 500 error and the html blob are generated by the http client when it can't reach the server21:01
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8330 /tools/ (wgd wg-build wg-reset): 21:05
CIA-6WebGUI: new reset etc script, replacing wg-reset and wg-build21:05
CIA-6WebGUI: additional commands, more consistant arguments, and pluggable.21:05
CIA-6WebGUI: new wgd script is autogenerated based on a set of .pm files.21:05
bunniefoofooI would like to flush out all the 1000s of workflows that are piled up and won't finish, is it dangerous to delete the records in WorkflowInstance and WorkflowInstanceScratch?21:05
@Haargwhat kind of workflows are they21:06
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bunniefoofoo90% are labeld "get syndicated content"21:08
bunniefoofoo5% are labeld (none)21:08
bunniefoofoo2% are "Sync User Profiels with LDAP"21:08
bunniefoofoopriority is all 20/2021:08
bunniefoofooI have 50 sites hosted, each has ~100-500 waiting workflows21:09
bunniefoofoopasting log extract now21:10
@Haargthe get syndicated content should be ok to delete, but you still should track down what is causing the problem21:10
bunniefoofooall of them say "malformed text data" etc in webgui.log21:11
@Haargwhat version are you running?21:12
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bunniefoofoopasted line of code with the problem: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f53e8521:22
bunniefoofoolooking at the WorkflowInstance table, the "parameters" fields all look like this "{ "parameters" : {} }"21:24
bunniefoofoowhich is to say there are no parameters; so JSON::decode_json is throwing up on it? (line 150 Instance.pm) in above paste21:25
bunniefoofoomaybe I need to update JSON.pm?21:25
@Haargthe parameters it is trying to decode is the database field21:25
@Haargso that entire string21:26
@Haargwhich should decode fine21:26
@Haargseems like it is not retrieving it from the db properly21:26
@Haargi'm not certain21:26
bunniefoofoowell, the field in the db does have newlines in it...21:26
bunniefoofoomaybe a text encoding problem?21:27
@Haargnewlines shouldn't be a problem21:27
@Haargmalformed text data., at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"]21:27
@Haargmeans it is trying to decode an empty string21:28
bunniefoofoois {} legal? shouldn't there be something in there?21:28
+perlDreamer{} is legal21:28
+perlDreamerit's an empty JSON hash21:28
bunniefoofooweird, i will print out the field before parsing to see whats in there21:29
@HaargperlDreamer, do you use anything like jt's resetdev or my wg-reset script?21:30
+perlDreamerI use a slightly customized resetdev21:30
+perlDreamerShould I be excited about your recent commit? :)21:30
@Haargok, i just stuck a new version of my thing into svn/tools21:30
@Haargyou might be interested21:31
+perlDreamersweet!  I'll check it out21:31
@Haargit has some additional commands21:31
@Haargand has help now21:31
@Haargso it's not a complete mystery how it works21:31
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bunniefoofoook I found out more about my WorkflowInstance problem22:09
bunniefoofoowhen spectre starts, it looks like a whole bunch of workfowinstance objects are new'd and passed the correct field from workflowinstance thable, that is an empty parameters hash22:10
bunniefoofoobut when the workflows go to run, a new workflow instance is created with empty parameters hash22:10
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bunniefoofooso I need to look closer at how spectre works I guess22:11
bunniefoofoohow can I print a backtrace in perl?22:12
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Bernd_bopbop, do you have a minute to help me harmonize settings for the German forum?22:16
BartJolfull room again22:16
Bernd_I do not know what to set for karma and archival22:16
Bernd_What is set for the other fora?22:16
Bernd_I do not have permission to view...22:16
@bopbophang on- I'll head out there and take a look22:16
@bopbopI'll go ahead and edit the German forum to match, instead of telling you out here22:17
Bernd_Even better. Thanks again!22:18
@bopbopBernd_: you should be set now22:18
@bopboptake a look and let me know if you have any other questions22:18
Bernd_Ok, checking...22:19
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bunniefoofoorefresher on my workflow problem: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f53e8522:35
bunniefoofoothe problem appears to be that these workflow instances in the database have NULL parameters22:35
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bunniefoofoothe NULL is interpreted as an empty string in the resulting database query, which is passed to JSON::decode_json() which is illegal22:36
bunniefoofoothe question remains how I should go about fixing this22:36
bunniefoofooI could simply assign empty parameters to all the NULLs in the WorkflowInstance table22:37
@Haargfor the syndicated content workflows you should just be able to delete them22:38
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bunniefoofooupdate WorkflowInstance set parameters='{"parameters": {}}' where parameters is NULL;22:44
bunniefoofooseems to fix the problem22:44
bunniefoofooat least no more error output, don't know if bogus workflows will continue to generate22:44
bunniefoofoois there a script written to run a query on all webgui sites?23:08
@Haargnothing i know of off hand23:08
BartJolbunniefoofoo: what are you looking for?23:10
bunniefoofooI have an update query which fixes a bug and I need to run it on ~50 databases23:10
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BartJolI'm not an mysql wizard, but can't you do that by logging in in mysql as the admin user?23:13
+perlDreamerSounds kind of like a WebGUI upgrade script23:16
+perlDreamerit would iterate over all config files, then run the query on each one...23:16
Bernd_Yeah, upgrade script!23:16
+perlDreamerthere's an upgrade script skeleton in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades23:16
Bernd_There is a template.23:16
BartJolthat qould be the other option....23:16
Bernd_Exactly that one.23:16
bunniefoofooI don't know, I'm not that familiar with mysql either, i guess I should hack the upgrade script...23:16
+perlDreamerbunniefoofoo, do you know perl?23:17
+perlDreamerthen you'll be fine23:17
@Haargupgrade scripts themselves don't run on multiple databases though23:17
+perlDreamerno, they run on multiple config files23:17
@Haargupgrade.pl does that23:18
@Haargthe upgrade script itself only operates on a single config23:18
@Haargis there a way to get xargs to run a command once per parameter?23:19
+perlDreamerls something | xargs 23:19
bunniefoofooI am looking at "wre/webguiupdate" which runs on multiple configs23:19
@Haargxargs with no params will add all the params for a single run though23:20
@Haargbunniefoofoo, you may have better luck with WebGUI/sbin/search.pl23:20
@Haargit optionally operates across multiple sites23:20
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bunniefoofooofftopic, does anyone know when the arrow keys stopped working in vi, this is driving me nuts23:29
BartJolmaybe use vim instead23:29
bunniefoofoothanks, I always assumed vim was the default, I guess not23:31
BartJol not bnecessarily23:31
bunniefoofooubuntu defaults to vim-tiny which has the problem I guess23:32
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@Haargvi will sometimes run vim instead, but in that case vim will use vi emulation mode or such23:32
Bernd_perlDreamer, can you tell were default profile fields are defined that are created whenever a new site is created?23:33
Bernd_tell me23:33
Bernd_I am asking, because the showOnline field is still not created when I a create a new site.23:33
Bernd_That is at least true for my local installation.23:33
Bernd_Did I miss some upgrade script here?23:33
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+perlDreamerBernd_: for a brand new site, it would be create.sql23:35
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+perlDreamerbut it's only in the 7.6 branch23:35
Bernd_one moment23:36
Bernd_brushing my teeth :-)23:36
+perlDreamernp ;)23:36
+perlDreamerI'll have some lunch23:36
BartJoloh, is it personal grooming time, maybe I should hone my razor23:36
+perlDreameryou hippy!23:37
BartJolthere's an IRC channel for that too!23:37
+perlDreamerdid you see that I made some i18n commits for you to fix?23:37
BartJolwell, I fixed 7.6.223:37
BartJolbut haven't looked further yet23:37
BartJolcan't do anthing between versions as far as I know23:38
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Bernd_I am back again.23:38
Bernd_Do I have to add the field to create.sql, too?23:39
Bernd_perlDreamer, having lunch?23:39
Bernd_Can you type with one hand?23:40
Bernd_Hey, I want to go to bed!23:40
Bernd_Going to bug you tomorrow.23:40
Bernd_Good night!23:40
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+perlDreamerBernd_: Just in case you check the IRC logs23:56
+perlDreamerThe user profile fixes will be included in 7.6.323:57
+perlDreamerI missed the 7.6.2 release deadline23:57
+perlDreamerif you grab a copy from SVN, it will be in there23:58
+perlDreamerand I hand tested that the user profile field is added to make sure that it worked correctly23:58
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BartJolBernd is gone perlDreamer00:00
+perlDreamerDas wich ich schoen00:00
@Haarg"$self->log('wtf am I faling for');" heh00:00
+perlDreamerHaarg, did the i18n english echo conversation go anywhere?00:01
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bunniefoofoowhy would a completed workflow return to the runnable state?, and then run again immediately00:11
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8331 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Removed all instances of srand. This is called implicitily by rand and be dangerous if called mulitple times by the same process.00:11
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8332 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Removed all instances of srand. This is called implicitily by rand and be dangerous if called mulitple times by the same process.00:11
BartJolbunniefoofoo: what do you mean exactly, it only completes activities (parts of workflows)00:17
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: You are a programmer of incredible wisdom and insight.00:17
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: ah, or someone who can read00:17
topsubI am trying to write this activity but its winning.. here is my error http://webgui.pastebin.com/m36c9e645 here is my activity. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6ed1639400:19
topsubI also can't seem to get my test to pass it keeps saying "Can't locate object method "create" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::DeleteBroadcast" at DeleteBroadcast.t line 32." but i am using base00:19
topsubSo am kinda confused as to what ia m doing wrong or what i am missing00:20
+perlDreamerperl -wc myActivity?00:20
topsubDeleteBroadcast.pm syntax OK00:21
+perlDreamercan you paste the test, too?00:22
topsubhere is my stripped version with just trying to setup the activity.. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7129a3400:23
+perlDreamerDo you see the problem in the test, or when spectre runs, too?00:23
topsubwhen i run the test i get this.. Can't locate object method "create" via package "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::DeleteBroadcast" at DeleteBroadcast.t line 32.00:24
topsubthat other pastebin error was from running it threw the website00:24
topsubwhen i run the test i dont' see anyoutput into webgui.log00:24
+perlDreamerI don't know why it isn't inheriting, but you can't call create without a workflow Id00:25
+perlDreameror an activity Id00:25
+perlDreamerno, activity Id is fine without00:26
topsubhmm i am taking this code from stuff william did00:26
topsubnot saying he is right00:26
topsubbut seems we have it in bunch of our activity test that were created before00:26
+perlDreamerI wrote an activity test.  t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.pm00:26
+perlDreamerthere are lots of pitfalls in activities00:26
topsubso your saying i need an workflowID00:27
+perlDreamerwell, yes and no00:27
topsubseems my problem now is its just not inheriting00:27
+perlDreamerIf it could find create, you'd need a Workflow id00:27
+perlDreamerdoes DeleteBroadcast live in /data/WebGUI/lib or elsewhere?00:27
topsublives in /data/site/nci/lib...00:28
topsuba custom directory00:28
+perlDreamerjust for kicks, try moving it next to the others00:28
topsublike in /data/WebGUI/t/WorkflowActivity?00:29
+perlDreamerlike /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity00:29
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topsuboh wait not my test00:29
topsubthe workflow00:29
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@HaargperlDreamer, i18n english echo conversation?00:30
+perlDreamerHaarg, the idea that for english, i18n would simply always echo what it was sent00:30
+perlDreamerwith 4 exceptions, the i18n test will locate and tabulate all usage of i18n for you00:31
@Haargwell, there's the unsolved problem of what to do for namespaces and the translation server00:31
@Haargthe i18n test could be a foundation for that, but it doesn't fully work yet00:31
+perlDreamerit probably won't ever fully work.  But it only fails on 4 i18n calls in all of WebGUI00:32
+perlDreamerHelp lookups, one place in Auth/LDAP and two others that I'm forgetting about, but are documented inside the test00:32
topsubah.. i think my problem was somehow i had a copy of it in the webgui/lib/webgui... directory so it was confused00:32
topsubnow i get the error "Can't use string ("OZcU-NGUoDbSMnEuFHiIPQ") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135." Does this go back to what you were saying before pd?00:32
+perlDreamerthe translation server should be a no-op, since we're only changing the keys, not the values00:32
@Haargyeah, the translation server itself isn't the problem00:33
+perlDreamertopsub, probably :)00:33
@Haargit's getting the list of all keys in the future00:33
SDuensinHey, is there an easy way to have the WRE send non-WebGUI requests to another Apache?  Currently, I'm making a conf for each non-WebGUI site and it's a pain.00:33
@Haargi need to learn more about PPI00:33
@Haargwith the wre by default, all non-webgui content is handled by the mod_proxy server00:34
SDuensinHaarg - Yea, but where does it go?  :-)  Basically I want www.notwebgui.com to be sent to another Apache for handling.00:35
@Haargyou can create a different vhost for that domain00:35
@Haargjust like are in the .modproxy files00:35
@Haargthen you could either have mod_proxy serve the files directly00:35
@Haargor have a redirect with a proxy to direct it to a different web server00:36
@Haargrather, have a rewrite00:36
+perlDreamerHaarg, anytime i18n keys are generated programmatically, like in Auth/LDAP.pm, you will never be able to scan for them.00:36
+perlDreamerSo I was thinking a list of exclusions that have to be done manually00:36
+perlDreamerwith a STRONG discouragement from doing things that way00:36
+perlDreamerlike losing your SVN commit access00:37
SDuensinHaarg - That's what I have now.  I was hoping for a "default" if a non-WebGUI site was encountered.00:37
@Haargthe other case that isn't currently handled is scoping00:37
+perlDreamerI know.  I can't make Perl::Critic reentrant without violating the module contract00:37
+perlDreamerbut there are only a few scoping errors, and they can be written out00:38
@Haargi don't have a good answer for the test00:38
@Haargbut we could do whatever we want for a script using ppi00:38
@Haargit will load the first vhost if you don't have one specified with a matching servername or serveralias00:38
+perlDreamerWriting the PPI by hand would not be very fun.  That's why I chose Perl::Critic.00:39
+perlDreamermaybe you could ask Chris Dolan's opinion at your next monger meeting00:39
@Haargwell, perl::critic makes sense for a test00:39
@Haargi may00:39
@Haargso you can create a file like 000-default.modproxy00:39
bunniefoofooi am still wondering if I can kill all workflows with no ill side-effects00:39
@Haargand it will be loaded first00:39
bunniefoofooi have 11900 workflows and they aren't going anywhere00:39
@Haargbunniefoofoo, you can for the syndicated content ones00:39
@Haargand probably the ldap ones as well00:40
@Haargwithout knowing what the remaining ones are i couldn't say00:40
SDuensinHaarg - But it only does that if it doesn't find a better match?00:40
SDuensinOk, coolness.  :-)  Thanks!00:40
@Haargso just have your default vhost in that initial file00:41
CIA-6WebGUI: yung * r8333 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: Added Compare box to Matrix v200:48
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bunniefoofoohaarg, assuming the sites are not live, can I kill the workflows?00:53
@Haargfor the syndicated content ones, yes00:53
bunniefoofoowell I did that and still 6600 workflows left00:55
bunniefoofooanother option would be to accelerate spectre so it doesn't pause between workflows00:56
bunniefoofoosince the sites won't be live when I do this00:56
bunniefoofooright now it only does 1 workflow per second, about00:56
@Haargwhat are the other workflows?00:57
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@Haargthe ldap ones should be ok to remove as well00:57
bunniefoofoothey are all hourly and daily maintenance tasks00:57
@Haargthose are all fine to kill00:57
elninohmmm. I have some things that archived in some collaboration systesm. how does someone in marketing find these and "unarchive them?"00:57
@Haargsearch will find them00:58
@Haargor a direct link00:58
elninoassuing you remember the name or the links....00:58
bunniefoofooexample: process recurring payments, sycn user profiles with ldap, expire old subscription codes, "(none)", delete expired sessions, etc00:58
bunniefoofoomost of them now are "(none)"00:58
bunniefoofoolisted as hourly00:58
@Haargyeah, you can remove any of the maintenance workflows00:59
@Haargyou said you are on 7.4.40 right?01:00
@Haargit would probably be a good idea to change the scheduled workflows to all be singleton01:00
@Haargwe changed that in 7.501:00
bunniefoofooif I can get this running without spewing errors like crazy I will upgrade01:02
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bunniefoofoowell, I'm down to 450 workflows (deleted hourly/weekly/monthly maintenance workflows) 01:07
bunniefoofooI'll let it run tonight and see if these things all flush out01:07
bunniefoofoothanks for the help haarg01:07
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bunniefoofoodo I need wre 0.8.5 to upgrade to 7.5.x or can I scrape by on wre 0.7.x01:10
BartJolI would upgrade01:11
BartJolnot sure whether it is absolutely necessary01:11
bunniefoofooI would rather not since it may be tricky to get all the sites integrated01:12
bunniefoofoobut I am worried about security issues with old apache/perl/mysql etc01:12
BartJolcheck http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/migration-to-wre-0.801:13
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elninohmm. I was hoping to whip upa report that would give me a list of posts/threads that have been archived. but I see no "bit" setting for archived. How does one determine if a post is archived?01:19
+perlDreamerI believe that you check the asset status.01:21
elninoI see the collaboration.archiveafter db field. do you compare that with the "lastpostdate" of the thread??01:22
elninooh. Lettme look at the asset status.01:22
+perlDreamerlook for "archived"01:22
elninook. I'll take a look. Thanks! I think I'll post this on the bazzar when done, I would think this would be helpful.01:24
+perlDreamerGood idea!01:25
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elninohey preaction.. I'm searching for class type "WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread:, and the three threads that I know that are archived, have a assetData.status of "published"... is there another field that you recommend I look at?02:28
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elninohey preaction, don't know if you answered my last question long ago.. Kinda dropped off: I'm searching for class type "WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread:, and the three threads that I know that are archived, have a assetData.status of "published"... is there another field that you recommend I look at?06:29
elninooh. dumb. Hold on.06:31
elninogot it. I'm gonig to make a template and post it.06:36
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danny_mkGood day everyone17:26
danny_mkanyone using the webservices wobject?17:27
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danny_mkthree months ago got this new job and I am trying to sell webgui as a viable web development system17:28
danny_mkif anyone has used the webservices wobject I could use a little help17:29
@perlmonkey2danny_mk: what's the issue?17:29
@preactionheh, it's a hunk of junk :p17:30
danny_mkjust the "SOAP Call Parameters" I wanted to use the FormParam macro but even when I put a static value in the box 17:30
danny_mkthe webservice does not seem to receive the parameter17:31
danny_mkI wrote a small script to test the webservice and it works 17:31
danny_mkhmmm... maybe I should test a public webservice first huh?17:31
danny_mkHey preaction, has there been any progress on the chat wobject?17:32
@preactiondanny_mk, none. there are still the two prototypes. one doesn't have many features, but is stable and fast. the other has lots of specific features and is slow and poorly-coded17:33
danny_mkWould you guys mind if I did it my way?  I would like to take it on as it is a much needed wobject in my book17:34
danny_mkI was given the code once but it did not even run on my development system17:36
danny_mkmaybe I need to play with it some more17:36
@preactionyes, that was the second prototype i mentioned. the first one was only given at the WUC'0717:37
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danny_mkwhich one do you prefer?17:37
@preactioni wrote them both and they both fulfill exactly what i wanted them to17:37
@preactioni would think it easier to change the smaller one into something more powerful than to hack the larger one into a more generally useful application17:38
danny_mkare they available now in the bazaar area?17:38
@preactionthe one you have will never be in the bazaar17:39
@preactionunless you modify it extensively17:39
danny_mkOK, where can I get a copy of the small one?17:39
@preactionthe other one is on http://webgui.tv in the Writing With YUI presentation17:40
danny_mkShoutbox.pm ???17:41
@preactionthe Shoutbox.pm17:41
danny_mkah, ok, thank you.17:41
@preactionalso, YMMV. that code was written for 7.417:44
@preactionas you can see though, it's insanely small17:44
danny_mkit is ok, I can work with that.  Will give you an update when I make some progress17:44
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wgGuestI have a blog related question, is there someone who might be able to help?18:07
@preactionperlbot ask18:07
@preactionwgGuest, just ask, don't ask to ask.18:07
wgGuestI've got a blog setup on a site, but when I go to add a post I can add a subject, but the WYSIWYG editor doesn't allow me to click into it.  It's unresponsive.  Any ideas?18:08
@preactionis it loading? what's changed? what browser are you using? was it ever working?18:09
wgGuestThe editor is showing up, I just can't get focus in it actually edit.  the only change was adding the collaboration system.  I've tried this in FF3, IE7, and some early version of Chrome.  And no, it has not worked since I added it this morning, this is the first time I've tried to add a blog.18:12
@preactionAre you sure it doesn't have focus? have you tried typing things into it? What version of WebGUI are you using?18:13
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wgGuestnope, no focus.  tried clicking into it and typing and got nothing.  my curson also doesn't switch from an arrow to a text curson when I mouseover the text box.  The meta tag in my headers is saying "WebGUI 7.5.27".18:16
@preactioncan you reproduce on the demo server?18:16
wgGuestI haven't tried18:17
wgGuestlet me give that a shot.18:17
wgGuestI'm just wondering if it has something to do with our custom theme18:17
@preactionit's possible, which is why you try to reproduce on a different site18:18
wgGuestsure, setting it up now.18:19
wgGuestAble to edit in the demo environment.18:21
wgGuestI'm wondering if maybe there's some sort of onLoad/onDOMReady type JS stuff that I've failed to add to our theme.18:21
wgGuestI know I had a similar issue once with Drupal, where I had failed to include something like that.18:22
@preactionthe javascript for the tinymce editor should get loaded automatically. it is possible that something could be clobbering it before it has a chance to load though18:23
wgGuestWhat sort of things might do that?18:24
wgGuestor layout stuff?18:24
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@preactionhm... deja-vu18:24
wgGuestI guess, being unfamiliar with the WG internals or TinyMCE, what should I be looking for?18:25
+perlDreamerpreaction, when making a js i18n object, do you have to specify all the labels that you want to fetch?18:27
@preactionperlDreamer, presently, yes18:27
+perlDreamerI'm going to try a foray into js this week with some i18n18:28
@preactionthere are some revisions i want to make, where you can just specify the namespace and get them all back, some page-level caching, and some more intelligent lazy-loading, but that's in the future18:28
@preactionwgGuest, i would first check for any JS errors by using Firebug, barring that, i would start set some breakpoints to make sure the tinyMCE was getting initialized properly.18:29
wgGuestI see no errors in my Error Console on FF3.18:29
wgGuestFirebug makes my computer almost unusable unfortunately18:30
wgGuestor at least did when I tried it last, maybe I'm not setting something up correctly though.18:30
wgGuestincorrectly, rather.18:30
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wgGuestpreaction, would my having JS in the body's onload conflict with some handler for TinyMCE?18:34
@preactionit might18:34
wgGuestany idea on a workaround to get my JS and the TinyMCE JS to both do things onLoad?18:36
@perlmonkey2hmm, I seem to recall that there is another event you want to hook into for onLoad, since you can clobber other onLoads.  Can't remember what it is.18:43
@preactionwgGuest, did you first just try removing your stuff to see if the tinymce loads?18:50
wgGuestno, I will do that.18:51
wgGuestthat has enabled the TineMCE editor, so I guess it's now just a question of figuring out how to do the various onLoad things for mine and TinyMCE's JS.18:55
wgGuestThanks for helping with this.18:56
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* perlDreamer goes to the gym.19:16
Mech422wgGuest: Plone uses a 'register()' type js function to allow multiple functions to be called when onLoad() fires...19:21
Mech422wgGuest: perhaps you can do something like that ?19:21
@perlmonkey2Tricky question about the SQLReports and the direct access hash for the template db columns.  row.field.name with spaces.value will never work.  So if you want to use a direct access to a column, outside of a loop, of a name with spaces, it won't work.  Is there any reason we can't replaces \s with _ ?19:21
wgGuestMech422, I actually removed my initialization stuff from the onLoad19:21
wgGuestand used setTimeout19:21
wgGuestto call that19:21
wgGuestbut it's still hosing the editor19:21
wgGuestTinyMCE loads and is usable for a 2 seconds (the length of the timer on my setTimeout) but as soon as my code runs, TinyMCE stops working, and I'm not sure why.19:22
wgGuestmy code basically sets up some clouds scrolling in the background19:23
wgGuestso I'm not sure if it's because it's modifying the DOM by adding elements19:23
wgGuestor what.19:23
wgGuestbut something in there is doing something TinyMCE can't cope with.19:24
Mech422wgGuest: Hmm - adding elements might piss it off... have you tried running your code FIRST, then tinymce ?19:24
Mech422this way, the dom doesn't change after tinymce is initialized ?19:25
wgGuestI'm not sure how to do that, TinyMCE is adding it's onload (or whatever) handler somewhere in its code and I don't have access to that19:28
wgGuestit's be added by WG.19:28
wgGuestunless you know of a way to tweak that?19:28
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Mech422wgGuest: oh - its not a custom template ?19:33
Mech422wgGuest: I thought you had a custom template you were hacking and could just reverse the includes :-P19:34
wgGuestno, it is custom, but the blog editor that uses TinyMCE is generated by WG and it's adding in all of the JS includes19:37
wgGuestis there a way to tweak that stuff?19:37
wgGuestI am by no means a WG expert.19:37
wgGuestbut I'm sure that's fairly obvious.19:37
Mech422my understanding is that you can change the template used to display each type of content, as well as the overall page...19:39
Mech422I would probably create a 'custom template' for the blog stuff, and manually build up the js stuff just so I could see what was going on19:40
wgGuestI guess I'll have to do some reading on that, I'm not at all familiar with the process.19:40
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I think you're good to go with that.  No problems with backwards compatibility :)20:09
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: that's what knowmad and I concluded20:10
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+perlDreamerwell, y'all are the pros20:10
CIA-6WebGUI: doug * r8334 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm now allows you to edit existing tabs20:21
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8335 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): SQLReport now replaces field name spaces with hyphens for the direct access template params.20:21
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8336 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): SQLReport now replaces field name spaces with hyphens for the direct access template params.20:21
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, perlmonkey220:33
+perlDreamerHe's our man20:33
+perlDreamerIf he can't20:33
+perlDreamerdo it20:33
+perlDreamerWe're in deep shit20:33
knowmadAye! Go perlmonkey2!20:33
+perlDreamer...That should be an indicator of just how crappy $dayJob is currently.20:33
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I hear there is always a place for you in Madison.20:34
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+perlDreamerI have thought a lot about that, perlmonkey2.20:35
knowmadhey, perlDreamer hope you're tunneling this IRC conversation :)20:35
+perlDreamerNo.  They know that morale is poor.20:35
knowmadthat sucks but i like that chatter i'm hearing here....20:36
bunniefoofoois there a way to increase the rate the spectre processes workflows, I don't think it is fast enough to keep up with 70 sites20:54
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bunniefoofooI had 120 workflows waiting last night, now I have 94020:57
bunniefoofoothe sites are not live so I am wondering whats wrong20:58
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knowmadyou sure spectre is working?21:18
knowmadhave you run spectre --test?21:18
@rizenbunniefoofoo are your maxworkers set to 5, and seconds between workflows set to 1?21:20
+perlDreamerpreaction: How do I attach the i18n object to a master/container object?21:32
+perlDreamerI made a half-hearted attempt to port what was in DataTable for i18n to the AssetManager21:37
@preactionperlDreamer, in your constructor do something like this.i18n = new WebGUI.i18n();21:43
@preactionthen you can put the namespace and keys you need in that new WebGUI.i18n( ... ) call21:43
@preactionyou can also have it run something when it gets the answer back from the server, like your object's real init function21:44
+perlDreamerpreaction: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m72f6c3f621:49
+perlDreamerLines 332-344 is the init code21:49
+perlDreamerand I try to use it on line 64 to i18n the Edit label21:49
@preactionah, that's not OO code, that's functional code21:50
@preactionso instead of this, try something like WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n = 21:51
@preactionthen use that to refer to it21:51
@preactionill admit it's a bit clunky21:51
+perlDreamerfor access, WebGUI.AssetManager.i18n.get21:51
+perlDreamerI was feeling my oats this morning with the i18n issues, but I think for now I'll leave the declunkification of the AssetManager to the masters21:52
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bunniefoofoorizen, it was on workers 3 time between 4, I changed to 5/1 and I'll see if that works, thanks21:57
@rizenthat will work21:57
+perlDreamerpreaction, no go.  I'll repaste some more code.21:59
+perlDreamerafter lunch22:01
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@perlmonkey2preaction: what should happen when a user clicks on a package in the assetManager?22:51
@perlmonkey2shoudl it deploy that package to the parent of hte page?22:52
@perlmonkey2or is the problem it deploys to that page, but then also shows view on the new asset?22:53
@Haargsounds like the problem is that it views the new asset23:00
@Haarginstead of returning to the asset manager23:01
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@perlmonkey2assets containing other assets is done through lineage, right?  So if there is a bug where moving an asset to another asset causes all of its revisions to also move, that would be something altering the lineage of all versions?00:00
@preactionperlmonkey2, lineage isn't versioned00:00
@preactionsomehow all the revisions are being placed under the same tagId (located in the assetData table)00:01
@perlmonkey2and it is also how assets know their child/parent relation?00:01
@preactionlineage and parentId are how they know, yes00:01
@perlmonkey2if lineage isn't versioned, then when an asset is moved, all of its versions are also moved, rigth?00:02
@Haargmoved in the tree, yes00:02
@perlmonkey2then is http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/8837  a bug then?00:03
@preactioni wouldn't think of it like that, lineage and versioning do not interact. that's why cut and copy warn you "this change is not versioned"00:03
@perlmonkey2oh, I'm misreading the bug.  Its about moving an asset into a version, not under a new asset.00:03
@preactionyeah, it's the WebGUI::Operation::VersionTag screen00:04
@preactionwww_manageRevisionsInTag or something00:04
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@preactionquick OT question: Is it RFC822 / 2822 legal to not have a From: header in an e-mail?00:10
@Haargperlmonkey2: looks like it's a problem in Asset::setVersionTag00:16
@perlmonkey2ah, someone with higher privs than me, can you tell me if force ssl login is set at pb.com?00:18
Lisettehow to do to get the total price of the cart?00:18
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+perlDreamerLisette: perldoc WebGUI::Shop::Cart00:25
+perlDreamerpreaction, no luck with clunky assignment00:33
+perlDreamerWebGUI.AssetManager.i18n = new WebGUI.i18n( {00:33
@perlmonkey2can an asset get its version id?00:33
@perlmonkey2$self->session->db->write("update assetData set tagId=? where assetId=?", [$tagId, $self->getId]); needs to only update the tagId of the selected tagId, not all assetId's.00:34
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, that's exactly right00:34
@perlmonkey2so now I need to find out how to get the current version tag id.00:35
+perlDreamerin sql or in perl?00:35
+perlDreamerin sql, I'd use max versionDate00:35
@Haargor ->get('revisionDate')00:36
@perlmonkey2where assetId = $self->getId() and tagId = $self->get('tagId')00:36
@perlmonkey2that will get the current version's info and not the last version's info?00:36
@perlmonkey2I guess so.  only makes sense.00:37
@perlmonkey2else versioning wouldn't work :)00:37
@Haargwell, from the look of the ui, it is revision based, not asset based00:38
@Haargso you'd want to follow what it says in the pod for setVersionTag - change only the current revision00:39
@preactionperlDreamer, the issue is that it makes an AJAX call, so you need to wait for that to return before you can use any labels. 00:39
@preactionAJAX is async, so you have to have a callback, hence the "onpreload" event00:40
@preactionquestion for the crowd: Is it Good that we allow multiple revisions of the same asset in a single version tag, or should those be consolidated into one revision?00:41
@preactionimho it's more confusing than anything00:41
@preaction(having multiple revisions of the same asset in a version tag)00:42
@Haargi'm not sure00:42
@preactioni understand the benefits, but i don't think the added complexity is worth it00:43
@Haargadded complexity for the user you mean?00:43
@Haargbecause changing it would involve extra complexity in the code unless i'm missing something00:43
@preactionyeah for the end-user00:44
@preactionit wouldn't be too much complexity in the code, a hook in addRevision, no?00:44
@preactionwell, some code in there at least00:44
@preactionthat may not be the ideal solution of course00:44
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+perlDreamerpreaction, I'm going to need some help with the callback, too.01:09
@preactionperlDreamer, okay. basically take everything that was in that initialization function and put it in a new function (initDataTable perhaps). then create the i18n in the original init function and have it have the following additional config:01:11
@preactiononpreload : WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable01:12
@preactionthat should work01:12
@preactionif it doesn't, try -- onpreload : { fn: WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable }01:12
+perlDreamerso the only thing in WebGUI.AssetManager.initManager should be the i18n instanciation?01:12
@preactionunless there's something you don't need i18n for01:13
@preactioni realize it's kind of a roundabout way to do this, but imho it's cleaner maintenance: it keeps everything in JS. there's more of the asset manager that could be in the JS, and just the data methods are AJAX calls written in Perl01:14
+perlDreamerI agree.  And I like the wholesale prefetch better than a post-init, fetch on demand01:16
+perlDreamerbut it's not working01:16
+perlDreamernow the whole data table is gone01:16
+perlDreamerand the error console is empty of everything but sam warnings01:16
+perlDreamerHere's a paste: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7054bc4801:18
@preactionperlDreamer, trailing comma line 22101:19
@preactionalso line 21701:19
@preactionand 351-363 aren't needed01:20
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@Haargperlmonkey2, you around?01:36
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+perlDreamerpreaction: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m555e3f2101:46
+perlDreamerstill no datatable01:46
@preactioncaching problem perhaps? firebug active?01:50
+perlDreamerno firebug02:01
+perlDreamerI'll kill my caches on server and client and try agani02:01
SDuensinEvening all.02:03
+perlDreamerHowdy, SDuensin02:08
SDuensinWhat's the word?  I've been out.02:10
* perlDreamer does not know JS. That's the word.02:11
SDuensinJS isn't too bad once you get the hang of it.02:12
SDuensinGo crazy and just use ObjJ.  :-)02:17
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8337 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm Event.pm Wobject/Survey.pm): clean up pod, syntax, warning problems03:48
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8338 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): improved performance of file uploads and changed format of created uploads locations, avoiding case sensitivity problems03:48
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8339 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.3 release03:48
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8340 /WebGUI/ (25 files in 11 dirs): Backing out Survey for now04:59
CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8341 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.3 release04:59
+perlDreamerNo Survey2?05:01
+perlDreamerWhat's up?05:02
@khennI believe survey2 is getting a manicure05:02
@Haargupgrade is messed up05:02
+perlDreamerI see.  Cuticles, nails, buff and polish?05:02
@Haargi'm not going to be able to get it working tonight, so i'm pulling it out so i can release05:03
@khennor that05:03
+perlDreamerYou were close, khenn05:04
@khennclose only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear bombs05:05
+perlDreamerWhat about bean farts?05:05
+perlDreameror is that included in the nuclear bomb category?05:06
+perlDreamertime to transform from overworked chip designer into child hygiene specialist05:06
@khennI suppose 05:06
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r8342 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.3-beta: Release 7.6.3-beta05:31
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CIA-6WebGUI: graham * r8344 /WebGUI/ (25 files in 10 dirs): adding survey back in05:31
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CIA-6WebGUI: translation * r8345 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (6 files): Update from translation server15:31
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ckotilAny ideas on this workflow error Im seeing after upgrading? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7a55d78d16:31
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ckotilcould the 'wait until' activity be the reason for the undefined value as a scalar reference?16:39
ckotilthe wait until activity is missing from my workflows.16:39
BartJolI think it cam16:40
ckotili sure hope so16:40
BartJolif it's undefined16:40
ckotilwill i need to recreate my workflows to incorporate hte new activity?16:40
BartJolif that is the problem, yes16:41
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Lisetteanyone knows in which table of database of webgui keeps the data when i add a product in the cart?16:42
BartJolwell, thank me when it helped16:42
BartJolLisette: several16:43
Lisetteyou can tell me?16:43
BartJoldepends on what you need16:44
BartJolProducts are assets, so in the assetData table, in the Product table16:45
BartJolmaybe more16:45
Lisettei need knows that user add a product in the cart16:47
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Lisettehow to do to knows that user add a product in the cart and which?16:55
topsubyou want to know when a user adds a product to the cart and what product?16:56
topsubOne way might to alter the add to cart function to call a macro or something to let you know what just got added17:05
@rizenLisette at any time you can query the cart to find out what's in it17:05
SDuensinHey rizen - Sorry I missed your message yesterday.  I was busy being unconscious.17:06
@rizenbut to have it trigger an event in your code...that's not really likely unless you write your own sku's17:06
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Lisettethe table is called cart?17:08
Lisettehe cart does not distinguish a cart for each user?17:10
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@bopbopLisette: I think the cart distinguishes by session, not user17:13
@bopbopbut that's about all I know17:13
SDuensinHey rizen_ - Sorry I missed your message yesterday.  I was busy being unconscious.   (Resent since you pinged out.)17:13
rizen_Lisette: if you call my $cart = WebGUI::Shop::Cart->newBySession($session);17:15
rizen_that will get you a cart object17:15
rizen_and then you can call getItems() on the cart object17:15
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@rizenthat will get you a list of items that are in the cart17:16
@rizenfor the current user17:16
Lisetteand how to do to know when the checkout is successful, the keeps in any table?17:22
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@preactionLisette, once the checkout is successful it's not a cart anymore, it's a transaction. you can use WebGUI::Shop::Transaction to get at it17:27
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Lisettei can use this in a macro?17:31
Lisettealls transactions are in the table transaction?17:34
@rizenyes, but don't query the table directly17:34
@rizenuse the API17:34
Lisetteif i need consult that user buy a specific item in any time, i can use the api? 17:36
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carograyquick question on looking at list of users in Admin Console17:53
carograygood morning/afternoon17:53
carograyin the column that says "status" 2 people have "success" in their row17:54
carograywhat does "success" mean and what about the people who have nothing in the "status" column in their row - what is going with them?17:54
+MrHairgreaselisette: you can use the api for virtually anything you want to ask webgui17:56
+MrHairgreaseif you are writing sql queries againt the webgui tables there's a big chance you should be using the api17:57
@rizensuccess means they have successfully logged in17:57
@rizenat some point17:57
Lisettebut how to create the new object? i have do a query with the id?17:58
+MrHairgreasejust read the documentation17:58
@rizencarogray...it shows you whether their last login was successful, a failure, or if they never tried to log in17:58
+MrHairgreaseyou proilly want to look at WebGUI::Shop::transaction17:58
+MrHairgreaseand WG::S::TransactionItem17:59
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8346 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): When you move an asset to a new version, only the current version is moved, instead of all of them.18:05
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8347 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): When you move an asset to a new version, only the current version is moved, instead of all of them.18:05
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Lisettei can know the transaction specific of an user of a item specific?18:46
carograyrizen: thanks for the answers, but does this information get updated when we get an upgrade? One of my editors just tried to login, he has been logging in not frequently but has done so a number of times in the last 2 years and there is no "success" next to his name?18:47
carograyin fact..he phoned me cause He couldn't login - wouldn't that constitute a 'failure" he had the right user name but not the right pw18:48
Lisetteor i have to do process all transaction for a specified user and process all items for each transaction?18:49
@rizencarogray: for a full detailed list check the user login history in the admin console18:49
@rizencarogray: also note that the user login history only lasts for 90 days, there is a workflow the cleans it up...but you can change that if you like18:50
topsubis there an api to add keywords to an asset?18:50
@rizen$asset->update(keywords=>"list of keywords goes here"18:50
@perlmonkey2Anyone have any novel ideas on how to resolve this bug?  I've look through the db and logs and just don't see how it happened.  http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/authentication-problem18:52
@rizenit's likely a problem with SSO.pm in Operation or the two SSO buttons in the upper right corner of the plainblack / webgui site18:54
topsubahh thanks rizen18:54
@rizenif those buttons got cached somehow..they could cause the problem i suppose18:55
@rizenLisette: i have no idea what you're asking, and unfortunately i now have to leave18:58
@rizenread the API18:58
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@Haargperlmonkey2, i've looked at that bug several times and still can't come up with anything19:06
@perlmonkey2Haarg: close it as unrepeatable?19:06
@Haargmy only thought is that the random number generator created two duplicate session ids, but that seems very unlikely19:07
@Haargi guess19:07
@Haargbest i can dome up with19:07
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+perlDreamerpreaction, willing to have another go at it?19:30
+perlDreamerI'll start trying to get firebug installed19:30
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@preactionperlDreamer, i can try to help, but i've got this pesky server performance problem to work out today19:35
+perlDreamerOkay.  I'm just not sure how to go about debugging the js from here.19:36
+perlDreamerthe DataTable in the AssetManager is not showing up at all19:36
+perlDreamerand the Error Console is empty19:36
@preactionperlDreamer, firstly, open Firebug and choose the "Script" tab, then on one of the Options menus there is "Break on all errors", select that and reload20:11
@preactionbe careful though, that may cause firefox itself to start locking up, so have your Force Quit ready20:11
+perlDreamerkill -9 fixes all evils ;)20:12
@preactiondoesn't fix init :P20:14
+perlDreamerpreaction: var postJson = 'request=' + YAHOO.lang.JSON.stringify( obj ) ; ---> YAHOO.lang.JSON has no properties"20:30
@preactionperlDreamer, you need to include $session->url->extras( 'yui/build/json/json-min.js' ); in the page20:31
+perlDreameryou mean that JS doesn't drag it its own dependencies, and they have to be manually resolved at the top?20:53
@preactionessentially yes20:53
@preactioni developed that code before the YUI Loader went stable20:54
@preactionand not sure if it is stable yet technically20:54
carograyrizen: thanks20:56
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+perlDreamerJust came across a good one I thought that I'd share22:05
+perlDreamerI tried to start apache and got this:22:06
+perlDreamer[Wed Nov 12 11:09:08 2008] [crit] (28)No space left on device: mod_rewrite: could not create rewrite_log_lock22:06
+perlDreamerGoogling says that I'm out of sockets, but none of the recommended scripts worked correctly, so I hacked them up to get this:22:06
+perlDreameripcs -s | perl -ane 'next unless /apache/; print `ipcrm sem $F[1]`;'22:06
+perlDreamerand it worked22:06
SDuensinThat's voodoo, man!22:07
+perlDreamerSDuensin, I'm a command-line voodoo shaman22:09
+perlDreamerfor perl22:09
SDuensinNice.  WebGUI + Mac = Painless.22:11
+perlDreamerAll the PB guys dev on Macs.  That's why.22:11
SDuensinThey're geniuses.  I knew it.22:11
+perlDreamerI heard that Jobs gives them a kickback22:14
SDuensinHell.  I should get one.  Even got my M$ Vista Fanboy coworker using a Mac.  :-)22:15
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SDuensinHe's back!22:23
SDuensinThat was a hell of a lunch.  :-)22:23
Lisettei can save data in a different database of webgui in an utility? 22:35
@preactionLisette, you can use DBI to connect to whatever database you want, sure22:36
Lisettehow to do, with $session->dbh?22:36
Lisetteoff course i have $databaseLink22:37
@preactionLisette, if you have a databaselink then do $databaseLink->dbh22:42
@preactioner... $databaseLink->db (it's a WebGUI::SQL object, just like $session->db)22:43
@preactionor you could use DBI directly: use DBI; my $dbh = DBI->connect( ... );22:43
+perlDreamerpreaction: no more JS errors, but no DataTable either22:44
Lisetteok! then i don't need to add of webgui! thanks22:46
@preactionperlDreamer, i would next try to make sure my code was being run. By using the Script tab, you can view the scripts (click on the text next to Inspect to see a list of scripts). You can set a breakpoint on the far left clicking in the gutter.22:50
+perlDreamerroger that, coach22:51
@preactionif the initDataTable isn't getting run, it means something's up with the i18n22:51
@preactionalso, check the Console tab, it should have a list of all the AJAX calls made, along with the response and request data for them22:51
@preactionif the i18n ajax call failed, that might cause what you're seeing22:52
+perlDreamerwhat do green line numbers mean?22:55
@preactionwhere? in the console?22:55
+perlDreamerwhen inspecting a script22:55
@preactiondunno, don't think i've seen a green line number22:55
@preactionlooks like green line numbers are executable lines22:57
@preactionmaybe that means you could enter them into the console command-line?22:57
+perlDreamerI only have green line numbers in the top 20 lines of the file.22:59
+perlDreamerNo dangling comments or anything22:59
+perlDreamerI'll set the breakpoint, in any case.22:59
+perlDreamerAfter setting the breakpoint, how do I rerun the JS?22:59
@preactionreload the page23:00
@preactionthe firebug will keep across reloads or clicked links23:00
+perlDreamerBP1 hit okay23:02
+perlDreamera 2nd breakpoint inside the initDataTable function is not hit23:02
+perlDreamerit's like the preload callback inside the i18n isn't being called23:02
+perlDreameronpreload   : {  fn       : WebGUI.AssetManager.initDataTable222   }23:03
+perlDreamerno 222's there23:03