WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-10.log

--- Log opened Wed Oct 01 00:00:39 2008
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, you around?	01:02
+perlDreamer	yup	01:05
@Haarg	Can't coerce array into hash at upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl line 85.	01:05
@Haarg	thoughts?	01:05
+perlDreamer	$config->get('assets') is not an array anymore?	01:06
+perlDreamer	it's a set of hash refs	01:06
@Haarg	this is part of the product import fix	01:06
@Haarg	"Repairing broken Products that were imported"	01:06
+perlDreamer	line 85 is a blank line for me	01:07
+perlDreamer	is your config updated/committed?	01:07
+perlDreamer	s/config/update script/	01:07
@Haarg	yeah	01:07
+perlDreamer	I have that on line 91	01:08
@Haarg	next COLLATERAL unless exists $collateral->{sku}; is the line that's failing	01:08
+perlDreamer	COLLATERAL: foreach my $collateral (@{ $product->getAllCollateral('variantsJSON') }) {	01:09
+perlDreamer	the collateral has to be de-refed into an array so it can be iterated over	01:09
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+perlDreamer	I just committed a fix	01:11
+perlDreamer	and backported it to 7.5	01:11
@Haarg	thanks	01:14
@Haarg	i need to spend a weekend reading through all the shop code	01:14
+perlDreamer	You're welcome. I should have set up a test of the upgrade.	01:14
+perlDreamer	A suggestion. Spend a little extra time in the PayDriver. I couldn't figure out the multiple labels myself.	01:15
+perlDreamer	It would be nice to brainstorm with people.	01:15
@Haarg	looks like that upgrade bug helped my catch a bug in the forking upgrade script though	01:16
@Haarg	no fix yet, but for some upgrade errors it doesn't notice the failure	01:16
@Haarg	and i didn't see the error on the console either	01:17
@Haarg	which isn't good.	01:17
+perlDreamer	no	01:17
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7786 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl:	01:19
CIA-39	WebGUI: Dereference the array ref of collateral into an array so foreach	01:19
CIA-39	WebGUI: can iterate over it.	01:19
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7787 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.5.25.pl: backporting upgrade script fix for array deref	01:19
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CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7788 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: get upgrade.pl to fail properly if upgrade script dies	01:52
+perlDreamer	Haarg, did we ever finalize on a recursion depth for Macro.pm?	01:56
@Haarg	hmm	01:56
@Haarg	i didn't end up changing it	01:56
@Haarg	how deep did you start running into problems?	01:56
+perlDreamer	I don't remember. I'll repeat the experiment.	01:56
+perlDreamer	32 is too big	01:58
+perlDreamer	16 is okay	01:58
@Haarg	16 sounds fine with me	01:58
+perlDreamer	24 is too big	01:58
+perlDreamer	maybe we can squeeze in 20	01:59
@Haarg	if anyone ever got up to 10 they are probably doing something wrong	01:59
+perlDreamer	20 works	01:59
+perlDreamer	and if anyone uses anything as crappy as I do for production, they have earned their problems	02:00
+perlDreamer	20 sound good, just for margin?	02:00
@Haarg	i suppose	02:00
+perlDreamer	you like 16/10 better?	02:00
@Haarg	if 24 is giving you trouble, i'm something more like 16	02:01
+perlDreamer	16 it is	02:01
@Haarg	hmm	02:01
@Haarg	keep noticing problems i want to fix before releasing	02:02
+perlDreamer	I have a little time, if you like :)	02:02
+perlDreamer	there's the intermittent Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock test failures, too	02:03
+perlDreamer	I've never been able to duplicate those	02:03
+perlDreamer	They're somehow related to the Inbox	02:03
@Haarg	heh, i was wondering why there were so many entries missing from the changelog	02:06
@Haarg	looks like i only did half of what i needed to	02:06
+perlDreamer	Shelf test is badly broken	02:14
+perlDreamer	Asset.pm seems broken, too	02:16
@Haarg	how so?	02:16
+perlDreamer	Nothing can call getUrl	02:17
@Haarg	o_O	02:17
@Haarg	there was a pod bug causing that	02:17
@Haarg	that i fixed	02:17
+perlDreamer	I'm up to date	02:17
+perlDreamer	and I saw that commit	02:17
+perlDreamer	syntax checks okay	02:18
+perlDreamer	but perl t/Asset/Asset.t dies	02:19
+perlDreamer	Can't locate object method "getUrl" via package "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder" at t/Asset/Asset.t line 395.	02:19
@Haarg	7.6?	02:19
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+perlDreamer	7.5	02:20
@Haarg	maybe that fix needs a backport then	02:20
+perlDreamer	I'll track it down	02:21
+perlDreamer	that double =cut doesn't exist in 7.5	02:22
+perlDreamer	I'll run the syntax check test to see if it helps	02:23
+perlDreamer	found it	02:26
+perlDreamer	I was split between two branches	02:26
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7789 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/templateChecker.t: Add test to make sure that default templates do not contain bad gateway macros.	02:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7790 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backporting product import csv file format fix	02:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7791 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm: reset recursion depth on macros to 16	02:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7792 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: merge 7.5.22-7.5.24 changelog entries	02:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7793 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/ (2 files in 2 dirs): continue backporting Shelf tests for product import	02:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7794 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.0: Release 7.6.0	02:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7795 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.0-beta: Release 7.6.0-beta	02:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7796 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.0: erroneous tag	02:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7797 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.1 dev	02:30
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7798 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: backport POD fix for getUrl	03:02
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SDuensin	Oooo! Just got the 7.6.0 beta mail. New toys!	03:17
@rizen	mesa likey new toys	03:19
elnino	what's the different between package and prototype, other than you can import and export packages. as far as to the content manager, packages are under packages and prototypes are under the "new contnet" menu. Other than that, are there any other differences I'm missing?	03:22
@preaction	packages are a lineage, they can contain more than one asset	03:25
@preaction	prototypes are just one asset	03:25
@rizen	and packages are exact copies as you deploy them	03:26
@rizen	a prototype sets up "defaults" but lets you change them as you create the prototype	03:26
@rizen	as you create the asset from the prototype i mean	03:26
@preaction	so, say you need to use a different default Article template. you can set up a prototype and (if you want) remove the original from the New Content menu	03:26
patspam	packages are the best thing since sliced bread	03:32
patspam	they make syncing changes between dev and production servers a breeze	03:33
elnino	oh.. I use packages as a template. Content managers add a pagelayout that has been a defined as a package, and then they make their modifications. So we have "about 200" pages built from a package. But it sounds like that isn't what it was meant for.	03:36
elnino	I'll write a wiki. =)	03:37
@preaction	what it was meant for is of no concern.	03:41
@preaction	the best things in webgui are used for things they weren't meant for	03:41
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elnino	new wiki: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/packages-vs-prototypes - Thanks guys!	04:01
elnino	I also did this too from yesterdays conversation: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/subscription-overview	04:01
elnino	preaction, rizen feel free to modify if I misrepresented anything you guys said on these topics.	04:04
elnino	and patspam =)	04:07
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patspam	elnino: I was disappointed you didn't put the bit in about sliced bread	05:00
@rizen	me too	05:01
patspam	whose idea was packages? I've often thought i want to buy them a beer at the next WUC	05:06
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@rizen	me	05:30
@rizen	actually, i take that back...it was a guy i used to work with back when i started webgui named Michael Blakeslee	05:31
@rizen	not the idea to be able to copy packages between sites though	05:31
@rizen	that was me	05:31
@rizen	his idea was being able to have a package on a site to be able to redeploy it over and over again	05:31
@rizen	and i felt we needed a way to be able to sync content between sites	05:32
@rizen	so packages just seemed to be the ideal place to stick that feature in	05:32
@rizen	rather than creating yet another switch	05:32
@rizen	these days i'm not sure which side of packages are used more often	05:33
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patspam	i think i'll owe you a whole slab of beer by the the next wuc in that case :)	06:06
@rizen	i don't think so	06:07
@rizen	i think by next wuc i'll owe you a whole slab of beer	06:07
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patspam	hah we can get drunk together then. but seriously, packages save me SO much time	06:07
@rizen	if you keep contributing and actually get the enhancements to thingy and other things done	06:07
@rizen	add the crypto	06:07
@rizen	add the privileges thing	06:08
@rizen	you'll be contributor of the year	06:08
patspam	hah if i actually finish anything =p	06:08
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patspam	does the crypto thing interest you though?	06:08
@rizen	it has promise	06:08
@rizen	and i'm certain that some of our government clients would be interested	06:08
@rizen	we've also recently started doing some low level medical stuff	06:09
@rizen	nothing that includes personal info	06:09
@rizen	but eventually, if we go further then we could use it there as well	06:09
patspam	ah great. I'll definitely go ahead with building a prototype system then	06:09
@rizen	i've been avoiding posting to your thread cuz i wanted to see what other people said first	06:09
patspam	yeah that's ok, the most important thing to know is that you don't think it's a complete waste of time	06:10
@rizen	btw...would you be interested in starting some sort of WebGUI Oz group like the Dutch guys did for holland?	06:10
patspam	absolutely	06:10
patspam	if there are enough numbers..?	06:10
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@rizen	encryption isn't a waste of time...i'm just not a fan of having the crypto in the hands of humans	06:11
@rizen	humans are falable	06:11
patspam	yeah humans suck	06:11
patspam	they mess everything up for the rest of us	06:12
@rizen	there are about six WebGUI related companies in Oz that i'm aware of	06:12
patspam	oh wow, cool i didn't realise there were that many	06:12
@rizen	but i havent' been in contact with any of them for a while	06:12
@rizen	i'll see what i can do to dig them out and get you guys together	06:12
patspam	I'd be more than happy to coordinate stuff	06:12
@rizen	there's one in sydney that has something to do with building legal sites	06:13
@rizen	if you turn on passive profiling you'll see a warning message pop up	06:13
@rizen	that's because of those guys	06:13
patspam	heh yeah i saw that at the WUC!	06:13
@rizen	apparently passive profiling is illegal in oz	06:13
patspam	I was sceptical about that, but i guess if they're into the legal stuff then they'd know better than me	06:14
patspam	i thought you just had to be up front about how much info you're collecting	06:14
@rizen	well maybe that's it	06:14
@rizen	but the warning is just about making sure you know your local laws	06:15
@rizen	before using it	06:15
@rizen	anyway, they are the ones that told ust o put it in there	06:15
@rizen	Radix-wrk is from Perth	06:16
@rizen	so he's another aussie	06:16
patspam	yeah he's the only one i know about	06:16
@rizen	he came to the wuc a couple years back	06:16
@rizen	the problem is that oz is so big (kind of like the states) that it may not be possible for you to put a group together	06:16
@rizen	at least not a physical group like they do in the netherlands	06:17
patspam	yeah the tyranny of distance..	06:17
@rizen	SGE is also from there	06:18
@rizen	http://www.sge.com/	06:18
patspam	it's not so bad in the states because your population is so much greater	06:18
@rizen	i can't think of anybody's name from there that i know off the top of my head	06:18
@rizen	but i've talked to them a couple times	06:18
patspam	heh my old company built the sge website	06:18
@rizen	see you guys are already connected!	06:19
patspam	hah yeah, except some links are better left broken!	06:19
@rizen	you can't lead a group and think that way	06:19
patspam	heh yeah, I'm just joking	06:19
@rizen	it's about finding commonalities and focusing on those	06:19
@rizen	otherwise you end up like our president	06:20
patspam	really rich and in charge of the most powerful country in the world?	06:20
@rizen	the law group is: http://www.lawsocietywa.asn.au/	06:20
@rizen	no: a total jackass that everybody hates, and that can't put together coherent sentences to save his life	06:21
@rizen	email for the guy that put that site together is: terminus@terminus.net.au	06:22
patspam	so the dutch group, do they have any overriding goals? or is it just to help people connect?	06:22
@rizen	the main focus is to promote webgui as a business platform in holland	06:23
@rizen	but it's also to bring together a group of webgui professionals to share ideas, and resources	06:23
@rizen	because we're all a bunch of small companies (in the webgui community) so we need to get help from each other from time to time	06:24
patspam	yeah for sure	06:24
@rizen	i'll try to get you the contact information for some other australian companies using webgui...just can't remember them off the top of my head right now	06:25
@rizen	but you have four so far	06:25
@rizen	so you could get started	06:25
@rizen	four is more than the dutch team started with	06:26
@rizen	originally there were only two dutch companies involved in wossa	06:26
@rizen	now i think there are 7	06:26
@rizen	granted that 4 of them are either procolix or offshoots from procolix	06:26
patspam	yeah i think it's a great idea, I'll give it a shot	06:27
@rizen	the terminus guy is in perth with radix	06:29
@rizen	where are you again?	06:29
patspam	Melbourne	06:31
@rizen	yikes	06:32
@rizen	holy other side of the country batman	06:32
patspam	heh yeah, well, everything is far away from Perth	06:32
diakopter	hee	06:33
patspam	most geographically isolated city in the world i think?	06:33
@rizen	please...	06:33
@rizen	Darwin is more isolated	06:33
patspam	nah you've got Alice Springs etc.. nearby	06:34
@rizen	I've always wanted to go to Darwin...mainly cuz it's name is Darwin	06:34
patspam	it's awesome	06:35
patspam	especially if you like tropical weather	06:35
@rizen	one of these days i've got to get back to australia	06:35
@rizen	only been there once, and it was great	06:35
patspam	WUC next year man :)	06:35
@rizen	yeah, if we want only 2 of us to show up. =)	06:36
@rizen	as much as i like to think of webgui as a worldwide phenomena, it's mainly a U.S. thing. =)	06:36
@rizen	i take it back, i don't want to go back to australia	06:38
@rizen	i've been to sydney and katoomba	06:38
@rizen	the rest of the country can't be that much different. =)	06:39
@rizen	that's a little like saying you've been to Madison and Chicago, so there's nothing to see in New York or San Franciso	06:40
@rizen	co	06:40
patspam	heh.. it's definitely not as diverse here as the states or europe though	06:40
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@rizen	i think that you guys don't use very much spice in your cooking	06:42
@rizen	the only places i liked to eat while i was there were asian	06:42
@rizen	maybe i just kept going to the wrong places	06:43
+Radix-wrk	unfortunately, we have far too many brits here who don't like spices.. so the majority eat plain food. Personally I love spices in my food.. hence why I'm engaged to a Chinese/Malaysian woman ;)	06:56
@rizen	ah that's what it is, the british influence	06:57
+Radix-wrk	meat and potatoes	06:57
+Radix-wrk	and lots of salt	06:58
@rizen	even meat and potatoes can have spices	06:58
@preaction	chives, oregano, laury's	06:58
+Radix-wrk	yeah, but it's amazing how many of them don't use em	06:58
+Radix-wrk	speaking of which.. I have some of my special homemade pizza in the fridge and it's lunchtime :)	07:05
@preaction	nice	07:05
+Radix-wrk	best pizza base ever = 4 cups of flour, pinch of salt, lots of mixed herbs, cajun spices and one bottle of beer - mix it all up and makes 3 pizza bases	07:06
+Radix-wrk	oh.. by one bottle I mean 375ml - your typical can here	07:07
@preaction	hand-tossed?	07:08
@preaction	or just stretch on a baking sheet?	07:08
+Radix-wrk	mix and knead.. but shouldn't need much needing	07:13
+Radix-wrk	then divide into three and roll it out as flat as you can on a pizza tray	07:13
@rizen	recipe for webgui pizza?	07:13
@rizen	perhaps it should be in the wiki +0	07:13
+Radix-wrk	I made a couple of bacon and potato pizza's, and a prawn and coriander pizza last night.. delicious	07:13
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Mech4221	Umm - are the webgui books real books ? or e-books ? and if real paper - anyone know how long shipping takes ?	08:16
@rizen	real books	08:18
@rizen	shipping usually takes about a week because they are print on demand	08:18
@rizen	however, you can also email info@plainblack.com to find out what books we have in stock (cuz we keep some)	08:19
@rizen	and those can be expressed to you	08:19
Mech4221	rizen: Umm - probably the developers guide and the template guide ...	08:21
Mech4221	rizen: maybe the others if we decide to implement with webgui	08:22
@rizen	i don't know what we have in stock	08:22
@rizen	that's why i'm saying email info	08:22
Mech4221	rizen: LOL - sorry	08:22
Mech4221	rizen; are the on-line docs enough to get a 'feel' for developing with webgui ?	08:22
@rizen	we keep a very limited number of books on hand	08:22
@rizen	online docs?	08:22
@rizen	you mean the wiki?	08:23
@rizen	and the pod?	08:23
Mech4221	yeah - I thought I saw some 'tutorial' type info on the website...	08:23
Mech4221	though I've looked at so many, I might be confusing it with something else	08:23
@rizen	it really depends upon how motivated you are and if you need a complete reference	08:23
@rizen	the books that we write are certainly not complete, but they are the closest thing to complete there is	08:23
@rizen	the free docs are very good, but they are mostly community maintained, so not nearly as complete as our books	08:24
Mech4221	I just need to do a sort of 'bake off' - maybe develop a 'content type' - recreate our template/theme, etc.	08:24
@rizen	total free documentation is somewhere around 400 pages	08:24
Mech4221	ahh - that should be plenty then :-)	08:25
@rizen	total books (paid docs) is around 1300 pages	08:25
@rizen	400 pages may sound like a lot, but keep in mind that WebGUI is an absolutely gigantic system	08:25
Mech4221	rizen: yeah - I'm hoping I won't have to cover all 1500 to start out with :-)	08:26
Mech4221	rizen: yeah - I was rather surprised to see SVN installed as part of wre - is that for versioning content or something ?	08:26
@rizen	that's there fore WDK	08:27
@rizen	WDK is the WebGUI Development Kit	08:27
@rizen	which is a special version of the WRE	08:27
@rizen	and it's currently just an alpha features that we're testing out	08:27
Mech4221	ahh yes, I did install that as well	08:27
@rizen	webgui has it's own versioning system and doesn't need subversion	08:27
@rizen	but our goal was to give webgui developers the ability to set up their own subversion repositories with little to no trouble	08:28
Mech4221	ahh - nice :-)	08:28
@rizen	however, subversion will likely be removed from the wdk in the future, because we've gotten feedback that most developers don't care about that...they already have their own repos set up	08:28
Mech4221	yeah - personally, I prefer mercurial ...	08:29
Mech4221	and that neon lib causes build issues on 64 bit platforms	08:29
@rizen	yeah and a lot of people like git these days	08:29
@rizen	so subversion will probably go away...and like you say, neon and swig and a bunch of that other stuff you need for subversion is all a pain to get built	08:30
@rizen	even on 32 bit systems	08:30
Mech4221	yeah - there's a lot of activity in source control lately - git, darcs, monotone, bazaar... seems like they've all gotten pretty good lately.	08:31
@rizen	and a lot of them are starting to offer hosted solutions	08:31
@rizen	which makes it even easier to use them	08:31
@rizen	and provides even less utility for us to include it in the wdk	08:31
Mech4221	rizen: can you think of any special features/weak area's I should look at during the eval ?	08:32
Mech4221	rizen: anything your especially proud of or find especially useful ?	08:32
@rizen	it would help to know what you plan on using webgui for	08:34
@rizen	as i said, it's a big system	08:34
@rizen	in general, i'd say that you need to understand that WebGUI doesn't try to be the "best" in any one subject area. instead, it tries to give you the 70%-80% of each subject area that you are likely to use	08:35
Mech4221	umm - mostly blogging, some light e-commerce (classifieds/job listings), and a subscription area for 'members'...	08:35
@rizen	there are a lot of solutions out there that try to give you every feature you could possibly need in a particular vertical (like wikis, or blogs, or photo galleries, or forums, or whatever)	08:36
@rizen	webgui instead tries to give you a little of everything, because most people need a little of everything	08:36
@rizen	well for blogging you want to take a look at the Collaboration System. It may be a bit confusing at first, but it is hella powerful.	08:37
@rizen	especially it's ability to let you email in blog posts	08:37
Mech4221	ohh - I hadn't seen that yet...	08:37
@rizen	there's a subscription asset that will let you sell access to restricted areas of the site	08:38
@rizen	so that's going to cover you there	08:38
Mech4221	very nice :-)	08:38
@rizen	we don't really have a classifieds or job listings system...but the collaboration system has templates for both of those so you can simulate them	08:38
Mech4221	I was also pretty pleased with the performance... Even 'outta the box' - it out performs Plone on the same configuration	08:39
@rizen	however, you won't be able to sell posting to them	08:39
@rizen	at least individual posts	08:39
@rizen	instead you set up a subscription	08:39
@rizen	and once somebody has the subscription, they can post all they want during their subscription period	08:39
@rizen	webgui runs pretty damn fast with the default configuration...but there are lots of tuning tricks you can do to make it even faster	08:40
@rizen	you just have to learn your usage patterns and then you can really make it sing	08:41
@rizen	to go back to your question about what i'm proud of...that changes with each new release	08:42
@rizen	right now i'm thinking about 7.6 stuff cuz that's what we're working on	08:42
@rizen	but you're probably using 7.4 or 7.5	08:42
@rizen	in 7.5 i really like our new photo gallery asset	08:42
@rizen	and we just rewrote the commerce underpinnings	08:43
@rizen	so i'm happy about that	08:43
@rizen	but the commerce stuff will get even better over time now that we have a solid foundation to build from	08:43
Mech4221	wow - sounds like a lot of cool stuff...	08:44
Mech4221	I'd better get to it, and start poking around :-)	08:44
@rizen	i'm heading to bed. good luck in your eval.	08:45
Mech4221	thanks again for all the info. :-)	08:45
Mech4221	g'nite :-)	08:45
@rizen	oh, and feel free to send an email to info@plainblack.com to set up a webinar if want to have someone do a live demo for you	08:45
Mech4221	oh great! Didn't know you offered those....	08:46
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SDuensin	Howdy.	16:07
BartJol	goodday	16:11
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carogra1	morning/afternoon	16:35
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carogra1	with 7.5.22 has the menu title stopped automatically inheriting the value of the title in assets?	16:36
carogra1	I used to be able to enter the title of an asset skip menu title and go straight to URL, I could even simply delete the value in a menu title field and save, the title would automatically pop into menu title box	16:37
carogra1	no longer seems to be the case?	16:37
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@rizen	carogra1: try it on demo.plainblack.com, if it's not doing that then it's a bg	16:56
@rizen	bug	16:56
@rizen	however, if it's working on demo, then it must be a configuration issue on your site, and you can put in a support request	16:56
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estiven	Hello	17:16
estiven	I need to buy hardware for a new proyect	17:16
estiven	and i need to know how many users i can have with that configuration..	17:17
estiven	the idea is use WebGui...	17:17
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@perlmonkey2	estiven: What type of site is it? Will the users be using the site 8 hard hours a day or casually over 24?	17:23
@perlmonkey2	Also, how much content will be on the site? Will it be 50GB of hosted content, or 50MB of text and forums?	17:25
estiven	the site is allways 24 hours online...	17:25
estiven	the site is for a new community....	17:25
estiven	the idea use a NAS for the storage...	17:26
estiven	my problen is't the storage....	17:26
estiven	my problen is with the performance..	17:27
estiven	i don'n know whit who hardware i can have who many users...	17:28
@preaction	a decent dual-core processor and 4 gigs of ram should serve you until you start breaking the 10,000 users mark	17:28
estiven	mm, and who many current conected users?	17:30
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@perlmonkey2	estiven: Think of pages served per second.	17:44
@perlmonkey2	How pages do you need to serve per second?	17:44
@perlmonkey2	1? 10? 100?	17:44
@perlmonkey2	The last test I did I could serve 2 pages of dynamic content per second on an old P4 with 512 MB of ram with WG. Cached/static content would be served much faster. What I'm saying is on a dedicated machine, you would need a rather large body of users before hardware becomes an issue. Bandwidth will be a much larger issue and if you are paying for the required bandwidth, hardware costs will be small in comparison.	17:47
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@preaction	hardware is cheap these days, i'd buy the fastest one you can afford and benchmark it	17:51
@preaction	until you actually test, you'll never know how many users you can have really	17:51
@perlmonkey2	I just replaced m y study light with a "ecosmart" CFI which uses 14W and is a 60W equiv, and only costs $1.10 per bulb. They were so cheap I thought they would suck, but are the best CFI's I've ever seen (nice warm glow but not missing the blue light that's lack would put you to sleep), and by far the cheapest. And the 75W it replaced means my lappy is now running for free :D	17:52
@preaction	nice	17:53
topsub	lol	17:54
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estiven	Ok, thanks	18:02
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bartjol	hee, the search functiopn doesn't give me anything on webgui.org	18:28
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bartjol	content area is just white	18:29
bartjol	lets report a bug	18:29
bartjol	and reported..	18:34
bartjol	perlDreamer: I got a new typo for you	18:49
bartjol	more will follow prolly	18:49
+perlDreamer	bring it on bartjol	18:50
bartjol	it's in the bug page	18:52
bartjol	collecting karma...	18:52
bartjol	that's a new task that Koen assigned to me	18:53
bartjol	:)	18:53
+perlDreamer	and what does Koen want with your new karma?	18:53
bartjol	dunno exactly	18:57
bartjol	new world order	18:57
bartjol	I think he wants me to have status, other than gained by large amounts of beer	18:58
+perlDreamer	How is Mrs. Koen doing?	18:58
+perlDreamer	Wir sind die Frau Koen?	18:58
+perlDreamer	Como esta' la Senora Koen?	18:58
+perlDreamer	I think that German one is wrong	18:59
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7799 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: fix i18n typo	19:00
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7800 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (9 files): Update from translation server	19:00
bartjol	oh theu're ok	19:06
bartjol	the German means We are misses Koen	19:07
+perlDreamer	that would be a problem	19:07
+perlDreamer	a BIG problem	19:07
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer is Mrs. Koen? That is strange.	19:07
bartjol	Koen wasn't feeling particularly well today	19:07
bartjol	like my yping	19:07
bartjol	typing	19:08
bartjol	as far as I know, Tessa's finre	19:08
bartjol	but it's getting beer time	19:09
+perlDreamer	I don't see anymore i18n typos	19:11
bartjol	not yet	19:13
bartjol	they will come, believe me	19:13
topsub	Has anyone had to maintain a product site along with a staging server, while the production server is being update with content, making code changes to the staging server and push your changings to production and not overwrite anything?	19:13
topsub	First thought was db replication, but seems that coudl lead to trouble	19:13
topsub	any change made to production pushed into staging database	19:14
bartjol	well bye	19:16
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7801 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport buying EMSBadge when none are available fix from HEAD	19:31
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@preaction	topsub, we do this a lot. we don't make changes to the dev database, and we sync dev with production regularly	19:41
@preaction	we make scripts to do the migrations / db changes that are necessary, testing them on the dev/staging	19:42
topsub	How do you keep track of the changes you do to stagings so you know what to push to production?	19:43
topsub	version tag?	19:43
topsub	We have a site going live that will get a ton of updates to production, but we need to keep doing dev work on staging. We just trying to figure out the best way to handle pushing the changes without overwriting data thats new from production	19:46
@preaction	packages?	19:47
topsub	Does your scripts make use of the version tags?	19:49
topsub	Any work that can be done under version tags go under a certain version tag then push everything from that version tag to production	19:49
@preaction	no, we just use packages usually	19:52
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topsub	preaction, just got back.. ah so you create everything under a folder or something and then package it up and reimport it on production	21:40
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+perlDreamer	preaction: http://www.linux.com/feature/148751	22:05
+perlDreamer	OpenGoo	22:05
@preaction	sounds like a good candidate for a web services company	22:07
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topsub	Is there a bug with the DateTime form control? I have added few extra fields to the EventManagementSystem.pm definition and i change the date but it stays "1969-12-31 18:00:00"	22:35
@preaction	are you upgraded to the latest version? yes, i think there are some issues with that form control	22:37
@preaction	did you set a default value?	22:37
topsub	nope, no default value in there	22:37
topsub	we are on version 7.5.24-stable	22:38
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topsub	it does say "Latest version available:7.6.0"	22:38
wgGuest34	hey guys, is anyone there?	22:39
@preaction	yeah, ignore that for now	22:39
topsub	So there is an issue with the form control?	22:39
@preaction	topsub, set a default value of "2008-01-01 00:00:00" or something, see if that helps	22:39
wgGuest34	can anyone help me with some questions i have about webgui and yui	22:39
@preaction	i think it's an issue with the form control, yes	22:39
@preaction	wgGuest34, don't ask to ask, just ask	22:39
topsub	Would that explain tho when i try to change the value it stay that 1969 one tho?	22:40
@preaction	topsub, yes. it's got an epoch time, but it's treating it as a mysql time	22:40
wgGuest34	i work for a non-profit organization that makes websites for other non-profits.. we use webgui so that the end user can make changes to their sites without us	22:40
@preaction	and that would be considered a bug imho	22:40
topsub	k, thanks.. will try that	22:40
wgGuest34	the sys admin here wants us to find a way to integrate more javascript into the sites to make the look nicer	22:41
wgGuest34	so I'm kind of stuck, I don't know how to go about this, I want to use YUI because they have so many little features	22:41
wgGuest34	but am not sure how to integrate the two..	22:41
@preaction	yui is already included with webgui	22:42
wgGuest34	I have been reading in the forums but am kind of lost.. any ideas?	22:42
wgGuest34	Yes, I saw that.. but how can I use all the features for example drag and drop..	22:42
@preaction	it's in the extras folder. you can get at them using the ^Extras(); macro	22:42
wgGuest34	do you know of a tutorial somewhere that could help me through that.. I am really new to webgui	22:42
wgGuest34	learning the basics still.. and can't find much help..	22:43
@preaction	i did a presentation at the '07 WUC about YUI and WebGUI, but that's not free (from what I know)	22:43
topsub	The YUI dosc should help you with learning how to use YUI	22:44
@preaction	you might look into some of the WebGUI design documents, they go through how to edit templates and such	22:44
@preaction	that's how you'd have to add the javascript	22:44
wgGuest34	I have played around with YUI and have been able to use it without webgui.. I just can't figure out how to make things work with webgui	22:44
topsub	Are you not able to figure out how to include that javascript files into the webgui templates?	22:45
wgGuest34	yes	22:45
topsub	so you need tolearn how to edit the style templates for example and include the YUI scripts into it so its site wide	22:45
wgGuest34	I was just wondering if any of you knew where I could find a tutorial or example on how to do such tasks	22:45
wgGuest34	Okay.. I will work on that, I have been playing with the templates	22:46
@preaction	wgGuest34, look in the Gallery templates or the Thingy templates, YUI is used in there quite a bit	22:46
wgGuest34	I am used to make websites by hand coding and all the splitting up of the templates has been tripping me out	22:46
@preaction	the Gallery slideshow and thumbnails page	22:46
topsub	the event management system does ajax request with YUI you could look at its templates for examples	22:47
topsub	Parses JSON objects and such	22:47
@preaction	otherwise, honestly, you could be using Yahoo's servers to get the YUI files	22:47
@preaction	might be easier	22:47
@preaction	i've heard that soon, by default, WebGUI will be doing just that	22:47
topsub	what parsing JSON objects?	22:48
@preaction	no, getting the YUI files from http://yahooapis.com	22:49
wgGuest34	okay guys, thanks for the help!	22:49
topsub	Ah instead of putting them in the core?	22:49
wgGuest34	I'm going to look into those things and see if I can get something going!	22:49
CIA-39	WebGUI: chrisn * r7802 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs):	22:49
CIA-39	WebGUI: changed: the list of extensions for the export system to pass through	22:49
CIA-39	WebGUI: unmodified has been moved to the configuration file under the	22:49
CIA-39	WebGUI: "exportBianryExtensions" field.	22:49
topsub	When i added the default value for the DateTime form control i get an error now http://pastebin.com/m58be102d	22:51
topsub	Guess i need post bug report about it..	22:51
wgGuest34	is event management a part of the calendar function?	22:55
@Haarg	no	22:55
@Haarg	event management has its own asset for management and ties in the the shop	22:56
wgGuest34	k, thanks, im going to ask someone in the office to help me find that	22:57
topsub	Okay so i switched it to just Date and i am seeing the same results.	23:02
topsub	Is Date form control bugged to?	23:02
@preaction	most likely yes, they all use the same basic code (copypasta)	23:02
dionak	mmm, pasta	23:13
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, can I backport your SIG WARN fixes to 7.5?	23:46
@Haarg	if you want to	23:46
+perlDreamer	Now that there are test reports per night, the less line noise the better	23:46
@Haarg	yeah	23:46
+perlDreamer	Did I break the "no commit" rule while you were releasing 7.6 last night?	23:47
@preaction	is the SIG warn fix in sbin/testCodebase.pl or in the test file itself?	23:47
@Haarg	nah, i was fixing stuff, and those were good things to get in as well	23:47
+perlDreamer	preaction, test file itself	23:47
@Haarg	in the test itself	23:47
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@Haarg	it's only for some small cases where the warnings are expected	23:48
@Haarg	my UNIVERSAL::isa just has "package UNIVERSAL::isa; 1;" now	23:48
@Haarg	so i don't have to deal with whatever bug is causing all those false positives	23:49
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+perlDreamer	has anyone tried to generate a dependency tree for WebGUI CPAN modules?	23:58
+perlDreamer	To see just how many we use?	23:58
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@Haarg	no, but i have been thinking about doing something like that	23:59
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7803 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/ (Group.t SQL.t Macro/SQL.t): backport the fix for quieting test output due to warns	00:00
+perlDreamer	I'd like to use Clone for some tests	00:05
+perlDreamer	but I don't want to inject another test dependency	00:05
+perlDreamer	especially because I'm pretty sure we already require it	00:06
+perlDreamer	through some other modules	00:06
@Haarg	well, you can check the wre	00:06
@Haarg	if it's in there you're probably fine	00:06
+perlDreamer	where is the src kept in SVN?	00:06
@Haarg	https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild/build.sh	00:07
@Haarg	Clone-0.20	00:08
+perlDreamer	all right!	00:09
@Haarg	what is the difference between Clone::clone and Storable::dclone?	00:11
+perlDreamer	It's much faster	00:11
+perlDreamer	http://cpanratings.perl.org/dist/Clone	00:12
+perlDreamer	7.5's template.t will pass tomorrow	00:45
* perlDreamer looks at assetExportHtml with trepidation		00:45
@Haarg	that one shouldn't be too big of a deal	00:46
+perlDreamer	do you think we could convince rizen to implement a pre-commit hook for syntax checks of perl modules?	00:47
@Haarg	possibly	00:47
@Haarg	ideally they would be clean of compile warnings as well	00:48
+perlDreamer	ha	00:48
@Haarg	not warnings in general	00:48
+perlDreamer	You've run perl -wc on most of the code. It's not compile warn clean	00:49
@Haarg	yeah	00:49
@Haarg	the main thing that comes up are circular requirements	00:49
+perlDreamer	it could be made compile warn clean, but it would take some work	00:49
@Haarg	anything else is pretty simple to fix	00:49
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7804 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.25/ (8 files): backport templates with bad gateway macros	01:00
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, getting it to be warning clear is actually pretty easy. the only warnings i'm seeing are some my variable masking issues.	01:26
@Haarg	the test should probably be changed a bit. it's probably a bit slower right now than it needs to be.	01:28
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@Haarg	oh wow	01:32
@Haarg	i love Matrix.pm line 791	01:32
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I guess that's why Matrix2 was started :)	01:42
+perlDreamer	I just hope it turns out better than UserList	01:43
+perlDreamer	Haarg, which test are you talking about, being slow?	01:43
@Haarg	compile test	01:43
@Haarg	i just fixed all the real compile warnings	01:44
+perlDreamer	using Module::Find instead of File::Find?	01:44
@Haarg	no, although that may be worth doing	01:44
@Haarg	module find would search outside the WebGUI/lib folder though	01:45
@Haarg	so maybe not	01:45
@Haarg	if you just add -w to the compile check, you get lots of redefinition warnings	01:45
@Haarg	that's because for example Post does use ::Thread	01:46
@Haarg	and Thread does use ::Post	01:46
+perlDreamer	circular dependencies	01:46
@Haarg	but when it gets to that, Post isn't in %INC yet	01:46
@Haarg	if instead you do: perl -we'require "WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm";'	01:47
@Haarg	it is basically the same test	01:47
@Haarg	but it loads post into %INC	01:47
@Haarg	that's actually a run test instead of a compile test, but for modules that is essentially the same thing	01:47
@Haarg	the other option is having the test just require them directly	01:48
@Haarg	that would speed it up a ton	01:48
+perlDreamer	and do the require inside of an eval so that it doesn't puke	01:48
@Haarg	but there is some value in testing them in isolation	01:48
@Haarg	if they used a external module without loading it first for example	01:49
@Haarg	perl -w -mWebGUI::Asset::Post -e';' might be another way to go if we wanted to work with class names instead of file names	01:50
+perlDreamer	-e 1	01:51
@Haarg	yeah, that's probably better	01:51
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CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7806 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (Workflow_Activity_NotifyAboutLowStock.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server	04:58
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elnino	is there a way to subscribe other people to your thread on a cs system?	08:21
elnino	I'm thinking not. I'll write an RFE. good night everyone!	08:25
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patspam	Haarg: (if you're awake) how's that git repo coming along?	11:14
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@rizen	Top of the morning to you, largest group i've ever seen on IRC this early in the morning.	17:15
+MrHairgrease	well, that depends on where you are of course...	17:16
@rizen	you are forgetting	17:16
@rizen	everything is relative to me	17:16
@rizen	we no longer measure time by GMT or UTC	17:17
@rizen	it's now just JT	17:17
+MrHairgrease	i see	17:17
SDuensin	Greetings.	17:17
@rizen	which makes time calculations even more interesting, since i can move between time zones	17:17
+MrHairgrease	well, if you just eliminate the whole tz crap, I'll thank you for it	17:18
+MrHairgrease	and while you're at it, please fmake sure that utf-8 is the only char set	17:19
+MrHairgrease	so, how many JT is it over here then?	17:19
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@rizen	it's JT -0	17:20
@rizen	but relative time that makes it 9am	17:21
@rizen	=)	17:21
+MrHairgrease	minus zero	17:21
@rizen	ok, i'll be willing to give up JT time to get rid of both time zones and daylight savings time adjustments	17:21
@rizen	cuz both are absolutely stupid	17:22
+MrHairgrease	well, tz's help to define things like morning and evening	17:22
@rizen	nope	17:23
@rizen	morning and evening are relative to position of sun in the sky..it really has nothing to do with time of day	17:24
@rizen	we have just set up our time system so they correlate	17:24
+MrHairgrease	In the netherlands the position of the sun is determined by the time	17:24
@rizen	interesting	17:25
@rizen	does the sun revolve around the earth in the netherlands?	17:25
+MrHairgrease	No, the sun and the earth too for that matter, revolve around Delft	17:26
@rizen	ah	17:26
@rizen	well delft is the engineering capitol of the world	17:26
+MrHairgrease	And sometime around the LHC	17:26
+MrHairgrease	if they're trying to destroy earth again	17:27
+MrHairgrease	true	17:27
+MrHairgrease	Delft houses the smartest people	17:27
+MrHairgrease	and the best looking too	17:27
+MrHairgrease	both groups tend to overlap	17:27
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bartjol	damn, I'm only good looking	17:29
+MrHairgrease	of course you are	17:30
+MrHairgrease	you're from delft	17:30
@rizen	i've been to delft, does that count for anything?	17:30
+MrHairgrease	and therefore you must be pretty smart too	17:30
bartjol	is there a possiblility that nl.js (for tinymce) will be in the WebGUI distro	17:30
bartjol	?	17:30
@rizen	bart is it not in there now?	17:30
bartjol	nope	17:30
+MrHairgrease	rizen: only a bit, but it wears off over time	17:30
@rizen	add a bug report	17:30
bartjol	well, on my server it is	17:30
@rizen	we'll get it in for you	17:30
bartjol	I allready did	17:30
+MrHairgrease	so yo0u really should come over again	17:30
@rizen	hehe, ok mrhairgrease	17:31
bartjol	His wife is coming in may/june MrHairgrease	17:31
@rizen	i'll be close next summer...Portugal	17:31
+MrHairgrease	yeah the yapc	17:31
bartjol	Portugese people are ugly	17:31
+MrHairgrease	oqapi is going there too	17:31
+MrHairgrease	if everything goes ok	17:31
bartjol	rizen: is nl.js WebGUI specific with other words, do you need a translation from me, or is it a default one?	17:35
@rizen	it's the default one	17:36
@rizen	we always just use their translations	17:36
bartjol	ok, then I won't bother about that	17:36
bartjol	the german's missing too	17:36
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CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7811 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): fixed: some default assets have ids shorter than 22 characters	18:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7812 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: failure when submitting a dataform that sends mail with an empty file field	18:30
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7813 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm ignores height on textarea fields	18:30
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CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7818 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: DataForm entry table isn't properly indexed	18:31
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+perlDreamer	go Haarg!	18:40
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CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7819 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm can't export fields containing newlines	19:02
@preaction	I want to make it so I could define "value => label" inside of Thingy list-type form elements (and DataForm, and Profile), can anyone think of why this might be a bad idea?	19:06
@preaction	(this is for the "Possible Values" field)	19:06
+perlDreamer	so that it works like Profile Fields?	19:07
@Haarg	don't like pipes?	19:09
@preaction	pipes is how it does it now?	19:12
@Haarg	yeah	19:12
@preaction	in lib/WebGUI/Form/DynamicField.pm it doesn't seem to do any translating at all	19:12
@Haarg	it's in the form controls	19:12
@Haarg	list	19:13
@preaction	yeah, i see it now	19:13
@preaction	i'll update all the docs, Dataform and thingy don't have that in there	19:14
@preaction	pretty sure Profile doesn't either	19:14
@Haarg	profile handles it separately	19:14
@preaction	good lord why?	19:14
@Haarg	because that's how it was written	19:15
@preaction	anyway	19:15
@Haarg	profile uses real perl hashes	19:15
+perlDreamer	put that on the wG 8 TODO list ;)	19:15
@Haarg	and secureevals them	19:15
@Haarg	yeah, it's something that is planned to change	19:15
@preaction	where are these plans? i've been leaving #TODO: comments in the code so future generations know what needs to be fixed	19:16
+perlDreamer	Can we start a wiki page for them?	19:16
@preaction	i'm lazy, so i wouldn't expect that page to be used :(	19:17
@preaction	or by change do we mean the Form::Control getEditForm method?	19:20
@Haarg	i meant how the profile system handles multiple values/evals	19:21
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CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7821 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 2 dirs): backport 7820	19:32
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@rizen	perlDreamer: regarding webgui 8 changes. right now i'm just keeping the list in my head. this is mainly because i simply don't want people commenting on this stuff until i've had a chance to work it out in my head	19:55
@rizen	that's why there is no public list anywhere	19:55
@rizen	it sucks to have people second guessing you when you are still second guessing yourself	19:55
@rizen	but yes, there will be some rather massive changes to the forms system in webgui 8	19:56
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CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7823 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fixed: some default assets have ids shorter than 22 characters	20:03
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7824 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.5.25.pl: typo in upgrade script	20:03
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7825 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.5.25.pl: forgot to add upgrade function to be ran	20:03
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7826 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed: UserList templates use incorrect variable names	20:03
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+perlDreamer	got it, rizen.	20:36
+perlDreamer	Ixnay on the ikiway	20:36
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zylopfa	Greetingd	20:42
zylopfa	woops greetings that is	20:42
zylopfa	I am about to make a english language version of my website and i want it to be in the /en directory	20:43
zylopfa	Anyone know how i make a full copy of the /home branch?	20:43
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, I _think_ that you go to the /home page and edit the page	20:44
+perlDreamer	Find the Make Package setting, and set it to yes.	20:44
+perlDreamer	then, go to the Asset Manager	20:45
+perlDreamer	Navigate to where you want to place the copy	20:45
+perlDreamer	then Deploy the package	20:45
zylopfa	ahh thanks a lot friend	20:45
+perlDreamer	you're welcome, but do try it out to make sure I'm right first ;)	20:46
zylopfa	yeah I am on it :D	20:46
zylopfa	Thanks a lot perlDreamer it works !	20:58
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+perlDreamer	cool. You can wiki that if you wish.	20:59
+perlDreamer	Yay, bopbop!	21:06
@apeiron	/Users/apeiron/.irssi/scripts/bgtriggers/receive.sh	21:06
+perlDreamer	....and jt for president	21:06
@apeiron	/Users/apeiron/.irssi/scripts/bgtriggers/receive.sh	21:06
+perlDreamer	is apeiron really a bot?	21:06
@apeiron	/Users/apeiron/.irssi/scripts/bgtriggers/receive.sh	21:06
+perlDreamer	interesting	21:06
@apeiron	/Users/apeiron/.irssi/scripts/bgtriggers/receive.sh	21:06
@apeiron	that's not right	21:06
+perlDreamer	I wouldn't think so	21:07
@apeiron	o_O	21:07
@apeiron	perlDreamer, Thanks for pinging me, I wouldn't have noticed that otherwise.	21:07
+perlDreamer	It just started a few messages ago	21:07
@apeiron	Yeah, trying to set up a script to notify me of privmsgs and I seem to be Doing It Wrong.	21:08
@apeiron	ah, now I get it.	21:09
+perlDreamer	/Users/apeiron/.irssi/scripts/bgtriggers/receive.sh	21:09
@apeiron	perlDreamer++ # helping me debug stuff	21:10
@apeiron	Sorry for the spam, folks; on the plus side, I shouldn't miss any privmsgs now unless I'm actually gone. :)	21:11
@rizen	apeiron, if you just used a real irc client it would do that for you anyway	21:11
@rizen	=)	21:12
@apeiron	rizen, I've been thinking about that, too, actually.	21:12
@rizen	colloquy is what most of PB uses, but there are plenty of others for the mac as well	21:13
* apeiron nods		21:13
@preaction	XChat Aqua doesn't piss me off as much as Colloquy does	21:13
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Lisette	i can do an utility that send email?	21:13
@preaction	yes	21:13
Lisette	the api is the same for the macros?	21:14
Lisette	for the send emails?	21:14
+perlDreamer	No	21:14
+perlDreamer	Macro API is very different from sending emails	21:14
Lisette	how to do?	21:14
@apeiron	Perhaps Lisette's question is: is the API for sending mail from a utility the same as it is for sending mail from a macro?	21:14
Lisette	i can use the package WebGUI::Send	21:14
@apeiron	That's what it seems to be to me, anyway.	21:15
@preaction	Lisette, yes. WebGUI::Mail::Send	21:15
Lisette	ok, thanks	21:15
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Bernd_	Question to everyone: How do I test for unset variables or empty strings?	22:39
Bernd_	I need to check template variables that are filled by a macro.	22:39
Bernd_	If the macro does not work correctly, the variables may be either undef or empty.	22:40
Bernd_	What would be a failsafe testing expression?=	22:40
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: is this for your user's logged in macro?	22:40
Bernd_	Yes.	22:40
+perlDreamer	Well, I think you just need to set up a test case where all template variables are guaranteed to be filled in.	22:41
Bernd_	So far I have defined a boolean variable that is true by default.	22:41
Bernd_	Afterwards, I add tests with the expression "flag &&= <expression>"	22:41
Bernd_	No, you got me wrong.	22:42
Bernd_	I want to test, whether all variables do contain a value after having parsed the JSON structure.	22:42
Bernd_	I mean, I want to know whether the macro has filled them all correctly.	22:43
+perlDreamer	use Test::Deep	22:43
Bernd_	That is for comparing nested arrays and hashes, right?	22:44
+perlDreamer	Yes	22:44
Bernd_	But I do not have anything to compare against.	22:44
+perlDreamer	You'll have to make one by hand	22:44
Bernd_	Check this pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/dfbceb15	22:44
Bernd_	Maybe, it is clearer then.	22:44
+perlDreamer	Yes, it is clearer	22:45
Bernd_	Except for a few variables I do not know what to expect.	22:45
Bernd_	I just want to be sure variables have been set.	22:45
Bernd_	But the current code does not work properly.	22:45
+perlDreamer	Do you know what kind of data to expect?	22:45
+perlDreamer	is it a number	22:45
+perlDreamer	or a string	22:45
+perlDreamer	or something else?	22:45
Bernd_	Mostly.	22:45
Bernd_	But for the moment I just want to check that it is not empty or undefined.	22:46
+perlDreamer	Well, Test::Deep will let you test for exactness, or for classes of stuff	22:46
+perlDreamer	you can specify a regex, for example	22:46
+perlDreamer	or you can ignore fields completely, using the ignore() method	22:46
+perlDreamer	perldoc Test::Deep	22:46
Bernd_	Ok, I will check. Thanks!	22:47
+perlDreamer	for example, the "bool" method may be of use	22:48
+perlDreamer	but it will fail on 0	22:48
+perlDreamer	which might be valid data	22:48
Bernd_	You are right.	22:49
Bernd_	I think it is something similar that happens.	22:49
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Bernd_	Would it be enough to test for the length of strings to be larger than 0?	22:50
+perlDreamer	I with Test::Deep had a defined method built in	22:50
+perlDreamer	but, in the meantime, re('.') should work okay	22:51
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+perlDreamer	which matches any 1 character	22:51
Bernd_	I am going to check.	22:51
+perlDreamer	if it is undef or empty string, that regex will fail	22:51
Bernd_	Thanks again!	22:51
+perlDreamer	You're welcome, Bernd.	22:52
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lisette_	Ji Lissete	22:56
lisette_	Hi	22:56
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lisette_	How are you	22:56
lisette_	Anybody knows the best solution to integrate a chat with webGui	22:59
Bernd_	lisette_: There is a simple chat asset in the bazaar.	22:59
@rizen	lisette_ yeah, point them to irc with a link	23:00
@rizen	=)	23:00
@rizen	irc://irc.freenode.net#nameyourchannel	23:00
Bernd_	Not sure if it is still working.	23:00
Bernd_	Alternatively, you could use cgiirc.	23:01
Bernd_	That is an IRC web client written in perl	23:01
Bernd_	Runs inside the WRE.	23:01
Bernd_	That is what we are using on our site.	23:01
Bernd_	However, integration is poor.	23:01
Bernd_	perlDreamer: Seems to work!	23:07
Bernd_	But I have one more question.	23:08
+perlDreamer	ask away	23:08
Bernd_	I also need to check for the presence of the default template.	23:08
+perlDreamer	yes	23:08
+perlDreamer	I have done that in two ways	23:08
Bernd_	An instance can be created with my $defTemplate = WebGUI::Asset->new($session, 'pUwYHCjfQUMcRXRmKOlaRQ');	23:08
+perlDreamer	1) Use lots of little regular expressions	23:08
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+perlDreamer	2) Use HTML::Parser to do light weight parsing of the HTML	23:09
+perlDreamer	I would fully test with the JSON template	23:09
+perlDreamer	and then restrict the default template testing to 1 user	23:09
+perlDreamer	just 1 user	23:09
Bernd_	???	23:09
Bernd_	I cannot follow.	23:09
Bernd_	I meant, I want to check whether the default template for the macro was delivered with WebGUI.	23:10
Bernd_	What is the best way for testing that?	23:10
+perlDreamer	oh, in that case, yes. Build an instance to the template.	23:10
Bernd_	Shall I create an instance and catch any errors with eval?	23:10
+perlDreamer	yes	23:10
elnino_home	Hi! Can the newsletter handle a two column format for email delivery?	23:10
Bernd_	Alright. I think that's it. Thanks again!	23:11
+perlDreamer	Bitteschoen	23:11
Bernd_	I wonder how many more times I am going to write that last sentence :-)	23:11
Bernd_	Danke sch�n!	23:11
+perlDreamer	I need to use an international keyboard	23:11
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topsub	can we make it so if your not logged into the website ( webgui.org) and try to post something helpful to the wiki it will tell you before you type all this usefull information in there and it says "Permission Denied!"	23:23
topsub	Tried to updated the wiki with this information and lost it now due to i'm not logged in which ididn't know	23:24
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@preaction	topsub, hitting back doesn't make your browser keep the form as it was?	23:24
topsub	no :-(	23:24
topsub	didn't for me	23:24
topsub	FF3	23:24
@preaction	it shouldn't allow you to see the edit tab if you can't edit. i would consider that a bug (but others may disagree)	23:25
topsub	i'm not logged in right now and i can see the edit tab	23:25
+perlDreamer	file it	23:25
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juan	i have a lot pages in active sessions, the respective workflow to delet them is not executing	23:28
Bernd_	rizen, I think I am done with the testing function for the UsersOnline macro.	23:28
Bernd_	But I would like to know your opinion on what should be tested.	23:29
@rizen	nice job Bernd_	23:29
Bernd_	I have implemented the following tests:	23:29
Bernd_	- labels are set correctly	23:29
Bernd_	- all template variables are filled	23:29
Bernd_	- the default template is there	23:29
juan	how can i delete them?	23:29
Bernd_	- artificially created users show up	23:30
juan	why my workflows are not executing?	23:30
Bernd_	- some logic on returned numers	23:30
Bernd_	numbers, of course	23:30
Bernd_	Is there anything else to do?	23:30
@rizen	do you test any/all parameters that can be passed into the macro	23:30
@rizen	to make sure that a) it doesn't crash or worse, and b) that it does the right thing with that data	23:31
Bernd_	Not really.	23:31
@rizen	what params can be passed in?	23:31
Bernd_	a) Max number of users and visitors to be listed	23:31
Bernd_	b) Max time since last activity for being considered active	23:32
Bernd_	Default values are set in the macro	23:32
@rizen	are they easily testable by parsing the output?	23:32
Bernd_	Not sure what would be good test values	23:32
+perlDreamer	0 is a good test value	23:32
@preaction	or 1	23:33
Bernd_	Ok, I am going to include 0 and 1.	23:33
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: just make sure that they work the way you expect	23:33
Bernd_	Hm, difficult to check.	23:33
@rizen	our next RFE day is in two weeks	23:33
@rizen	if you can have your tests and everything completd by then	23:33
@rizen	we can review the macro	23:33
@rizen	and get it into the core	23:33
Bernd_	Sounds great!	23:34
Bernd_	But I think it is possible.	23:34
Bernd_	Ok, back to work.	23:34
Bernd_	Thanks everyone!	23:34
@rizen	holy crap!	23:34
+perlDreamer	Hack on, Bernd_	23:34
@rizen	there are 33 people in IRC	23:34
+perlDreamer	Yeah, dude. Where have you been?	23:34
@rizen	that's a lot considering today isn't a special event or anything	23:35
@rizen	it seems to average around 26 or so	23:35
+perlDreamer	"Today is Thursday. Everybody " is in IRC " on Thursday."	23:35
@perlmonkey2	all i can say is this is probably the smartest solution I've ever come up with: http://pastebin.com/d42b9562a	23:40
Lisette	whats mean ITransact?	23:40
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+perlDreamer	ITransact is the name of a company that handles credit card processing on the internet.	23:41
Lisette	thanks	23:43
BartJol	well, peaks shouldn't last too long, so bye	23:49
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elnino_home	hello! we're going to be using teh newsletter asset now, was wondering if it can handle a two column format for email delivery?	23:50
elnino_home	or maybe the question is: can you select a "page layout" type thing for newsletters?	23:50
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elnino_home	hmmm. still not seeing that type of functionality. That kinda stinks.	23:52
elnino_home	I wonder if there is a way to use pagelayouts, and workflows to take a pagelayout and sent IT as the newsletter?	23:53
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elnino_home	ah. newsletter is a cs system, so I have userdefined fields.that might work.	00:10
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@Haarg	i need to get the POD test working at some point. it would be really easy to add the pod it is complaining about	00:17
@Haarg	then we'd just have the labels test failing	00:17
juan	i have the next error when i try to edit a post	00:21
juan	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m21da2908	00:21
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, did those modifications to the syntax checker i was talking about yesterday sound reasonable?	00:23
juan	i can not save the post	00:23
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, yes. I'd still prefer the pre-commit hook, though	00:25
+perlDreamer	No need to commit broken code	00:25
@preaction	i think that a hook to test code would encourage reliance on the testing to catch stupid mistakes (instead of testing yourself)	00:26
@Haarg	do you think it should test them in an eval or a subprocess?	00:32
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'm not sure what the difference would be.	00:33
+perlDreamer	People always complain about speed, though	00:33
@Haarg	mainly if it attempted to use a module without 'use'ing it	00:33
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CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7827 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/permission.t: make GalleryAlbum test run, and fix it	00:51
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7828 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: fix upgrade script setting defaults	00:51
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7829 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.25 release	00:51
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Lisette	i can do a list of wish in the shop?	02:28
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+perlDreamer	The shop does not have a wish list feature yet	02:28
Lisette	ok, thanks	02:29
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Bernd_	Alright, I have implemented some tests on parameters.	02:37
Bernd_	An update is available in the bazaar.	02:37
CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7830 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.25-stable: Release 7.5.25-stable	02:38
Bernd_	Tomorrow, I am going to submit an RFE for inclusion into the core.	02:38
Bernd_	Good night and happy coding!	02:38
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, thoughts on this? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m43489b4c	02:45
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kurios63	hello all	12:31
BartJol	hi	12:38
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:18
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estiven	Morning..	16:56
estiven	I want to install the spectre in other machine.. (actually run in the same machine when i have install WG)....	16:57
estiven	what files do i need to install in the new machine?	16:59
BartJol	it is just a new machine?	16:59
BartJol	that hasn't got spectre yet?	16:59
BartJol	it should be in the WG install	17:00
estiven	yes is a new machine...	17:00
estiven	mm, ok	17:00
BartJol	can't you just install the wre	17:00
BartJol	spectre is in /data/WebGUI/sbin	17:01
estiven	ok, no problem...	17:01
BartJol	and the spectre.conf in /data/WebGUI/etc	17:01
BartJol	should work	17:01
estiven	but, the configuration that i have in the WG.... is the same that i need in the new mahcine...	17:02
estiven	only change the parametres for spectre conect...	17:02
estiven	ip, port, etc...	17:02
BartJol	well, copy your config to the other machine	17:02
BartJol	change the necessary information	17:02
BartJol	that is configuration :)	17:03
estiven	jeje, ok, but if i change the configuration in the one machine i need to change to the other...?	17:03
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estiven	or just share the configuration files in a central storage...	17:04
BartJol	you want two machines use the same spectre?	17:04
estiven	yes..	17:04
BartJol	sorry, two WebGUI installs	17:04
estiven	or more	17:05
estiven	no	17:05
estiven	i what to use a balancer..	17:05
BartJol	same spectre or same spectre configuration?	17:05
estiven	same spectre configuration...	17:06
estiven	the espectre in the new machine run the spectre install there	17:07
BartJol	well, I'm not sure about this	17:07
estiven	jmm,	17:08
estiven	so i need to try..	17:08
BartJol	indeed	17:08
BartJol	but spectre itself also has an IP	17:08
BartJol	so ig you use 1 config, I think u use 1 spectre	17:08
BartJol	s/\sig/if/	17:09
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estiven	ok, I will try it and I will tell you about it...	17:11
BartJol	that would be nice	17:11
estiven	thanks	17:12
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SquOnk	Hi everyone	18:54
SquOnk	Updated 7.5.24 Debian packages at the usual place.	18:54
@perlmonkey2	swa-eet	18:58
SquOnk	I have a nice proposal for a Module::Build installation schema, sans test running :-)	19:07
SquOnk	I'll probably get it done by next weekend. I have to take and grade 40 tests next tuesday...	19:07
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, see any issues with this? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m43489b4c	20:33
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+perlDreamer	on phone, will look soon	20:34
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, it looks fine. I only see one thing that I might tweak, and it's very nit-picky	20:48
+perlDreamer	I'd create another enclosing scope around the foreach, and do the ^W and SIG-WARN stuff just once	20:48
+perlDreamer	actually, that's so minor I'd just skip it	20:48
@Haarg	there's no need to have the ENV check in that, since it runs fast	20:49
@Haarg	so i'll probably just remove it	20:50
@Haarg	the $SIG{__WARN__} can't go outside the loop	20:51
@Haarg	since it needs to reference the $warnings that is defined inside the for	20:52
+perlDreamer	ah, yeah	20:52
+perlDreamer	you're right	20:52
@perlmonkey2	If you only want to attach information during a single post session, can you attach it to the session object?	21:27
@perlmonkey2	$self->session->{myTempInfo}?	21:27
@preaction	perlmonkey2, use stow	21:30
@preaction	WebGUI::Session::Stow	21:31
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7832 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (Tax.pm ShipDriver_FlatRate.pm PayDriver_Cash.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server	21:47
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7833 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Asset_Sku.pm: Update from translation server	21:47
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7834 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (Asset_StockData.pm Asset_Sku.pm): Update from translation server	21:47
ckotil	Anyone know if there is an rfe for changing an assets ranking when you drag and drop an asset in the web view?	21:51
+perlDreamer	ckotil, doesn't that work now? Drag and drop in the Asset Manager? Or are you talking about in the Page view?	21:52
ckotil	page view.	21:52
+perlDreamer	I think those are different mechanisms	21:52
+perlDreamer	asset rank is the default order	21:52
ckotil	It seems that webgui keeps track of order when you drag and drop, but it doesnt update the ranking	21:52
@preaction	it keeps track of the order in a different way, because of the different content positions	21:53
+perlDreamer	if you move stuff in the page view, it says, "The user does not want ranking order anymore, but a custom order"	21:53
@preaction	Layout positions are not asset ranks	21:53
+perlDreamer	That is so succinct	21:53
ckotil	id rather it say 'User changed the order, so change the rank'	21:53
+perlDreamer	That would make an RFE	21:53
ckotil	OK, thanks	21:54
ckotil	http://www.palinwink.com/	21:57
@preaction	when McCain and Palin win there will be dancing in the streets!	21:58
@preaction	and the Top Gun theme played at high volume throughout the land!	21:59
@preaction	he should've played Maverick, since he's such a maverick	21:59
@rizen	preaction must die	22:01
@rizen	$100 to the first person to kill preaction	22:01
@rizen	oh wait, that's not worth anything	22:01
@rizen	100 euros to the first person to kill preaction	22:01
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@perlmonkey2	for some strange reason the dollar is getting stronger against the euro through all of this.	22:14
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ckotil	longest RFE i've made.	22:20
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jlittlewood	does anyone know if ^FormParam() works over ssl?	22:38
@Haarg	it should	22:38
jlittlewood	it is doing some funky funky stuff	22:38
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jlittlewood	I'm trying to passthru info in a URL (a membership ID #) and put ^FormParam() into a field in a table... the first couple 'o times you to the page it doesn't seem to populate the field, but on the 3rd try it does.	22:39
Lisette	i can do a pin with a product and this expires me	22:40
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isaac_	yoyo	22:58
isaac_	Ok. I'm getting ready to trace down this spectre problem. but wanted to check here and see if anyone has seen/fixed this already.	22:59
isaac_	here's the dealio:	23:00
isaac_	$instance->delete;\nreturn $self->COMPLETE;	23:00
isaac_	is not working for me in an activity	23:00
isaac_	spectre basically deletes from it's queue before it gets the response.	23:00
isaac_	so I see this when running debug:	23:01
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isaac_	WORKFLOW: Deleting workflow instance nPhqKqKm-0qGTFMs-JCMbg from queue.	23:01
isaac_	WORKFLOW: Retrieving response from workflow instance.	23:01
isaac_	WORKFLOW: Response retrieved is for nPhqKqKm-0qGTFMs-JCMbg	23:01
isaac_	WORKFLOW: Response for nPhqKqKm-0qGTFMs-JCMbg retrieved successfully	23:01
isaac_	then it goes to post the status on the workflow and starts error'ing out since the object still exists in spectre but it's empty	23:02
isaac_	WORKFLOW: Preparing to run workflow instance .	23:02
isaac_	WORKFLOW: Posting workflow instance to http://:80.	23:02
isaac_	WORKFLOW: Workflow instance posted.	23:03
isaac_	afk for a few min. since no seems to be here atm. (lunch?)	23:03
+perlDreamer	isaac_, please paste all that into a pastebin.	23:03
+perlDreamer	Otherwise, when preaction comes back he'll boot you from the channel	23:03
@Haarg	also first thing to do is check your sitename	23:03
@Haarg	it needs to be a hostname you can access the site through	23:04
+perlDreamer	whoa	23:04
+perlDreamer	new webgui.org styling	23:04
@preaction	perlDreamer, where?	23:05
+perlDreamer	participate page	23:05
+perlDreamer	faded bg's	23:05
+perlDreamer	looks nice	23:05
@preaction	indeed, me likes	23:05
+perlDreamer	is that steve-o?	23:05
+perlDreamer	or tabbbbbbbbbbbb	23:06
@preaction	dunno	23:06
@preaction	where are the designers today?	23:06
@perlmonkey2	Designing?	23:09
isaac_	pastebin?	23:10
isaac_	what's a pastebin?	23:11
@preaction	isaac_, webgui.pastebin.com <- paste large blocks of text there	23:11
@preaction	then give us the URL	23:11
isaac_	hah... k	23:11
isaac_	sry	23:11
isaac_	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d29a8bfa6	23:12
isaac_	for anyone inteested.	23:12
@preaction	wth... spectre is running a blank workflow?	23:13
@preaction	restart spectre perhaps?	23:13
@preaction	oh, you're trying to stop the instance from running anymore, i remember now	23:14
isaac_	yeah. I was going with a another workaround. setting the instance to the last activity	23:14
isaac_	but it ends up wanting to instanciate another instance of my object at the very end for some reason, which causes me more problems	23:14
isaac_	so I'm trying to go back to this, since it's more clean/kosher anyhow	23:15
@preaction	pastebin your whole activity and let me see	23:15
isaac_	k.	23:15
isaac_	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3a558e5d	23:16
isaac_	there's alot of commented out stuff since I've been chewing on it	23:16
isaac_	the relevant portion is lines 111-119	23:17
@preaction	and you're using 7.5.x?	23:17
isaac_	no	23:17
isaac_	just upgraded to 7.4.40	23:18
isaac_	on my dev system	23:18
isaac_	am moving to 7.5 shortly. but was trying to get this fixed before I can do that.	23:18
isaac_	I didn't really see anything int he bugs about this when I searched. I was about to go browse the depot to see if there were any relavant spectre chnages since 7.4..40 that might pertain	23:19
@preaction	isaac_, change $instance->delete to $instance->delete(1); and see what happens	23:21
isaac_	tried that.	23:22
isaac_	no luck. I'll verify again. 1 sec	23:22
@preaction	nm then	23:22
@preaction	i can only say to make a dev instance of 7.5.x and see if it works	23:22
@preaction	or better yet, SVN HEAD	23:22
isaac_	k. That's what I figured. Just thought I'd check	23:23
isaac_	thanks	23:23
isaac_	hmm...	23:25
isaac_	now it's working	23:25
isaac_	I must not have reset everything after trying the ->delete(1) before	23:25
isaac_	argh	23:25
isaac_	<loose nut behind the keyboard porblem>	23:25
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@preaction	it's weird that it works, but if it does it might mean that the existing activities in webgui are broken	23:25
isaac_	it looked like a timing issue before, since it deletes before it has the return status ont he activity. then gets the return status and basically creates and empty wofklow object in spectre to put the return status in	23:27
isaac_	I haven't spent much time in the lib/Spectre/* stuff lately	23:28
isaac_	I was pretty sure this wasn't working before. But then I was in 7.4.16 so something may have changed since then.	23:28
isaac_	that impacted this. Now I just have to chew through these JSON 2 issues.	23:28
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Mech422	hi all - I'm just starting to go thru the dev. info on the wiki, and I was wondering what the difference is between an 'asset' and a 'wobject' ?	01:40
@preaction	depends: Are you a programmer?	01:40
@preaction	if you're not a programmer: there is no difference	01:41
@preaction	if you're a programmer: A Wobject is a broad type of Asset that provides additional basic functionality like style templates	01:41
Mech422	preaction: I'm a programmer - but haven't done anything with webgui yet	01:42
Mech422	preaction: do you develop with webgui ?	01:42
@preaction	yes	01:42
@preaction	all the +o in this channel are Plain Black staff	01:42
Mech422	preaction: oh sorry	01:42
@preaction	they aren't all programmers though	01:43
@preaction	tavisto couldn't find a closure with both hands in broad daylight if you gave him a map and there were pretty girls standing next to it	01:43
Mech422	I was gonna ask you about the learning curve, and what sort of payoff you got in application development time - but if your with plain black, you probably didn't have a learning curve - you sort of defined it ?	01:43
@preaction	uh... Jt wrote WebGUI, he's the only one who really didn't have a learning curve	01:44
@tavisto	that is correct.	01:44
@preaction	i'm not JT, I had to learn everything myself	01:44
@preaction	the learning curve is dependant on your fluency with Perl and OO systems	01:45
@preaction	if you're good with Perl and good with OO, then you shouldn't have to worry too much	01:45
@preaction	I suggest picking up the WebGUI Developer's Guide	01:45
Mech422	preaction: I did some pretty strong OO perl stuff - but that was about 10 years ago before Moose, POE, etc.	01:46
@preaction	we don't use any of that stuff really	01:46
@preaction	Spectre uses POE, but you don't have to worry about it (the real functionality isn't in POE)	01:46
Mech422	preaction: yeah - if we go with webgui, I'll need to order a full set of manuals... for now, we're just playing...	01:46
@preaction	we use Class::InsideOut for some things now, but most of the plugin points are standard Perl OO stuff	01:46
@preaction	we also do on-site training, i'm going to a couple places over the next couple weeks to do design, front-end, and programming training	01:47
Mech422	preaction: I've got about 20 hours this weekend to attempt some 'simple' tasks and try and get a 'realistic' feel for learning curve vs. dev. time stuff	01:47
@preaction	it's not that bad really, as long as you start small	01:47
@preaction	check out lib/WebGUI/Asset/_asset.skeleton	01:47
@preaction	lib/WebGUI/Macro/_macro.skeleton	01:48
@preaction	lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_wobject.skeleton	01:48
@preaction	there are a bunch more skeletons like that	01:48
Mech422	heh - the starting small part is gonna be tough, as webgui already provides most stuff 'out of the box'	01:48
@preaction	yeah, there is that	01:48
Mech422	I might have to re-create a simple content type just to have something to benchmark	01:48
@preaction	Thingy especially takes a lot of the work out of programmer's hands	01:49
Mech422	on the other hand, that would allow me to see how mine compared to the 'reference implementation'	01:49
Mech422	Ahh - yeah, I've heard good things about Thingy - but haven't gotten to anything about it on the wiki yet	01:49
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Mech422	(I'm reading the 'getting started with development' page and all linked refereneces)	01:50
@preaction	to re-create the Article asset, for example, would probably take me just a couple hours. a lot of functionality of WebGUI is in WebGUI::Form::Control and its subclasses, the Asset->definition sub, and otherwise	01:50
Mech422	I was thinking much simpler - like maybe a static text asset or something :-)	01:51
@preaction	that's kinda what the Article is, plus file attachments (easy to do with a WebGUI::Form::File control)	01:51
@preaction	oh, it's templatable too i guess	01:51
Mech422	this trivia object in the wobject tutorial could be good too	01:52
@preaction	if you just want a static text asset: package WebGUI::Asset::StaticText; sub view { return "Hello, World\n" }	01:52
@preaction	then add "WebGUI::Asset::StaticText" to your configuration file (under the "assets" section), and it should work	01:52
Mech422	oh...umm..yeah, that might be a bit too small :-)	01:53
@preaction	then add to that, a definition sub, which defines a table in the database for the asset to store data	01:53
@preaction	the form to edit the asset is generated automatically, so all you need to do is get the data using $self->get("yourParameterName")	01:54
Mech422	hmm - sql is handled in-line via basic strings right ? no ORM or whatnot ?	01:55
@preaction	the asset itself is the ORM, though if you want collateral data in a 1-1 or 1-many relationship you can use WebGUI::Crud (added in 7.6.0)	01:56
@preaction	but no forced ORM, no	01:56
@preaction	WebGUI doesn't try to overcomplicate things (unless its absolutely necessary)	01:57
Mech422	looking at this trivia wobject - the code seems fairly straight forward	01:58
@preaction	yeah, simple stuff is pretty simple to do. no fancy relationship building, no requiring templates or otherwise	02:00
Mech422	how about js enabled form controls / ajax ? Is there an included js library or a 'preferred' library for use with webgui ?	02:04
@preaction	we include and use YUI with WebGUI	02:05
@preaction	the Date / Time controls use YUI's calendar	02:05
@preaction	there will be a DataForm control in 7.6.x that uses YUI	02:05
@preaction	DataForms are used all over, in fact	02:05
@preaction	that doesn't preclude using other JS libraries	02:06
@preaction	it just means that YUI is what the default code will use, admin tools and such	02:06
Mech422	ahh cool...	02:07
Mech422	do 'DataForms' support some sort of automated validation and redisplayed? For instance, if a required field is missing when a user submits a form, can it re-display the form with an error message and preserve the values they had entered originally (so all they have to do is populate the missing required field) ?	02:09
@preaction	the Dataform asset? it should	02:10
Mech422	nice - that sort of functionality removes a lot of drudge work :-)	02:10
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@preaction	tavisto, when's the next free webinar? or have we stopped doing that sort of stuff now?	02:12
@tavisto	This wednesday @ 2pm EDT (GMT -4)	02:12
@tavisto	Register online @ www.plainblack.com/webinar	02:12
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@tavisto	gah sorry GMT -5	02:13
Mech422	oh thanks guys - I'll do that now	02:13
@preaction	are there topics? or just "whatever we wnt to talk about"?	02:13
@tavisto	it's always a sales tool used for introducing WebGUI to potential customers and users	02:15
@tavisto	in the future we'll offer other webinars when we have time. :)	02:15
@tavisto	it would be great to have weekly design and development webinars	02:15
@preaction	like step 2 webinars	02:16
@tavisto	exactly.	02:16
@preaction	step 1: what is webgui? what does it do?	02:16
@preaction	step 2: How to start your WebGUI site	02:16
Mech422	preaction: one thing we've found with our plone stuff...	02:17
Mech422	'skinners' / designers generally need some sort of 'light weight' training	02:18
Mech422	that doesn't 'fit' well with 'normal' programmer training	02:18
@preaction	how do you mean "doesn't fit well"?	02:18
@tavisto	I agree... give em a little push into the learning curve so they're excited and know what to do	02:18
@preaction	webgui style templates are pretty straightforward, add in macros and how to make Navigation assets and you're set	02:19
@preaction	5-8 hours of training and they're up and running really. provided they've already got strong HTML and CSS skills	02:19
@preaction	that's like classroom style training	02:20
@preaction	it depends, always, on the students (of course)	02:20
Mech422	Heh - Plone skinning are generally at least 3 days :-P	02:20
Mech422	s/skinning/skinning classes/	02:21
CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7835 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added a new permission denied page for the manageVersionTags screen	02:21
@preaction	the hardest part is the Navigations really, you can get some extremely complex setups. and editing navigation templates can be simple, or it can be a nightmare	02:22
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/underground-style <- this style took me about 2 hours to do, starting with an HTML/CSS template and making it into a WebGUI style	02:23
@preaction	i'm also a programmer by trade, though i've got pretty strong HTML/CSS	02:23
Mech422	the biggest problem we have with nav is people always want 'exceptions' - "move this to the top of the nav", "only show this if that" - since plone autogenerates nav, 'exceptions' are a pain	02:24
@preaction	"only show this" is easy in WebGUI, the only things that show up in navs are assets the user is allowed to see	02:25
@preaction	"move this to the top" is also easy, WebGUI uses a "rank" system to order assets in navigations	02:25
@preaction	the Asset Manager manages the Rank of the asset. type in a new rank and click "Update" and it's moved	02:25
Mech422	plone considers security - but there's not a 'rank' type feature	02:26
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Mech422	oh - Here's Donna (SnowWrite)	02:26
Mech422	She does a bunch of Plone Skinning	02:27
SnowWrite_	:-) heard you guys were talking about skinning for WebGui :-) couldn't resist	02:27
SnowWrite_	what templating language does WebGui use?	02:27
* SnowWrite_ checks		02:27
@preaction	otherwise, if you need more flexibility over "Only show X if Y" then you can write a macro, the easiest thing to do for dev	02:27
@preaction	by default, right now, HTML::Template	02:27
@preaction	if you want, it can use HTML::Template::Expr or Template Toolkit	02:28
Mech422	Hmm - I18N looks pretty simple - no mucking about with getText like plone :-P	02:30
Mech422	just a module for each language with a dict of values ?	02:30
@preaction	nope. there's even a translation server to make a translation for you: http://i18n.webgui.org	02:30
@preaction	yeah, essentially	02:30
Mech422	cool :-)	02:31
SnowWrite_	hm, sexy template, http://www.lrnelson.com/ - not too sure about the green but I like the overall look	02:32
@preaction	navigation template in the bottom left could use some zazz	02:33
@preaction	same with the Article	02:33
@tavisto	I just recently put a bunch of those sites in the sightings area	02:33
@tavisto	there are hundreds of sites that still need to be posted....	02:33
@preaction	tavisto, you're doing that for all the PB hosted sites? ;)	02:34
@tavisto	the other sites listed at the bottom of that site are also powered by WebGUI	02:34
@tavisto	no, but that's what I mean...	02:34
@tavisto	there are hundreds that aren't posted.	02:34
@tavisto	I've been putting up a bunch of the ones I know about. But we have all sorts of types that aren't on there yet. In addition, I have a whole pile of success stories going up on the pb site	02:34
@preaction	wonder who did these sites, they're nice	02:35
SnowWrite_	some of them are really nice	02:35
@preaction	lazybones! get to it!	02:35
@tavisto	alright gang I'm off... ttyl	02:39
@preaction	cya	02:39
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@preaction	apeiron, perlmonkey2, perlDreamer: quick question for you guys: Would it be a Bad Idea to refactor WebGUI::AssetBranch->www_editBranchSave to have an WebGUI::Asset->editBranch method?	02:41
@preaction	the only way i can see this working is if it accepts a hashref of { name => value, } and also { name => sub { ... } }	02:41
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@preaction	the sub would get the asset as its first arg and would return the value to be saved	02:42
@preaction	this way we could build the URLs based on the asset's parent	02:42
@apeiron	preaction, www_editBranchSave is too big to fit on my screen; for that reasoning alone I say refactor it.	02:43
@apeiron	(my terminal has 59-60 some lines)	02:43
@preaction	but the optional subref thing... is that too complicated? is there a simpler way to do it?	02:43
Mech422	WOW! lineage looks slick!	02:44
@preaction	there seems a goodly amount of places we could be using subrefs like this that would simplify some of our code, this is one of them	02:44
Mech422	why didn't I think of something like that ? I've been mucking around with self-referential table joins to do that sort of thing !	02:44
@perlmonkey2	I like it	02:44
@preaction	Mech422, god yes. lineage is a lifesaver when working with the asset tree	02:45
Mech422	I've been beating my head silly trying to figure out how to eager load children etc etc....	02:45
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@preaction	yeah, i was saying the same thing first time i saw lineage	02:45
@preaction	walking up the tree using just the parentId is painful	02:46
Mech422	oh! btw - consider that idea stolen^H^H^H^H^H^H borrowed...	02:46
Mech422	that is just too dam cool	02:46
+perlDreamer	1st, build tests	02:46
+perlDreamer	then, refactor	02:46
@preaction	if you use webgui, you don't have to stea^W borrow it	02:46
+perlDreamer	anything else is WebGUI 8	02:46
@preaction	perlDreamer, i hate you, but i shall do as you request	02:47
@preaction	;)	02:47
+perlDreamer	:)	02:47
Mech422	preaction: true - but its just such a cool general purpose idea...	02:47
@preaction	indeed	02:47
Mech422	preaction: like it would fit nicely in a 'category' system I'm doing for a banner ad server	02:48
Mech422	I was using self-referential joins to allow me to get an object and all its children in 1 query - but its just sooo clunky compared to lineage	02:48
+perlDreamer	Mech422: WebGUI has a banner ad system built in	02:48
Mech422	perlDreamer: :-D	02:49
@preaction	not just banner images, any HTML really	02:49
+perlDreamer	Keep going, SquOnk, you're almost at 50%!	02:49
+perlDreamer	preaction, also Flash, right?	02:50
@preaction	yup	02:50
@preaction	<object>, <embed>, or just <p> if you're lazy	02:50
@preaction	okay... what would you devs say to an extensible www_editBranch. such that (for example) the MessageBoard asset could expose more stuff to edit multiple Collab Systems at once	02:52
@preaction	or Gallery could edit multiple Albums at once	02:52
+perlDreamer	extensibility that isn't available in the generic UI isn't useful (IMO)	02:52
@preaction	how so?	02:53
+perlDreamer	in other words, if it doesn't work one level up, then users would see a different UI	02:53
@preaction	ah	02:53
+perlDreamer	But I'm also assuming an implementation	02:53
@preaction	there is that	02:53
+perlDreamer	and limitnig you mad creative genius	02:54
@preaction	i wasn't planning on making an implementation really, just a better way of doing edit branch. right now it assumes only two asset types: WebGUI::Asset and WebGUI::Asset::Wobject. if I use the definition() to detect fields I can allow all type	02:54
@preaction	but yeah, there is that roadblock	02:55
@preaction	okay, editBranch() won't be limited, if necessary it will do detecting to prevent errors. a new view could be added to those assets I mentioned that makes use of the editBranch() method	02:56
@preaction	it's something to ponder though. and editBranch needs to be done as a workflow anyway (since it can take more time than a browser allows)	02:56
+perlDreamer	yes!	03:04
+perlDreamer	It must be a workflow	03:04
+perlDreamer	that notifies the user somehow at the end	03:04
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dionak	quick question if anyone knows. i'm writing a test that creates a product and variant info and then executes a macro that queries the db for the variant info for all products. i'm not getting the behavior i'm expecting. do i need to commit the test version tag or update the product asset to get the test values to populate in the db?	03:23
@preaction	you might need to, if the macro isn't being run under the same session	03:23
dionak	it's not...	03:23
dionak	oh, wait. yes, it should be the same session	03:24
@preaction	yeah, unless you're specifically opening a new session, you shouldn't need to	03:24
dionak	ok, thanks	03:24
dionak	just curious if setCollateral automatically populated the db or was stored in memory.	03:25
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@preaction	automatically populates the DB	03:37
dionak	oh, it looks like i have the asset in memory and not in the db.	03:42
@preaction	did you use addChild?	03:43
dionak	yes	03:43
dionak	i could show you the code in pastebin	03:43
@preaction	then the asset should be in the database	03:44
@preaction	okay	03:44
dionak	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m16af69d0	03:45
dionak	adding variants works fine in the web interface, just wanted to expand the test for the macro	03:46
dionak	the macro thinks there are no webinar products with a price of 0. just a sanity check on the code would help	03:46
dionak	btw, i didn't know the new windows was out...just saw a commercial	03:46
dionak	dionak is a mac user	03:46
@preaction	windows 7 is out? or "Mojave"?	03:47
dionak	guess so...	03:47
dionak	Mojave	03:47
dionak	a commercial just came on advertising that people should upgrade	03:47
@preaction	Mojave is Vista	03:47
@preaction	http://mojaveexperiment.com	03:47
@preaction	they're trying to get over the stigma	03:48
dionak	interesting..	03:48
dionak	wonder if they fixed anything	03:48
dionak	guess they did via software patches and now need to overcome the initial problems	03:49
@preaction	they fixed a lot, i've used it and it works fine if I don't care about program compatibility	03:49
@preaction	it's still a huge break in the windows API	03:49
@preaction	dionak, your test looks okay to me, but i'm not very up on the product collateral code. perlDreamer could help more	03:51
dionak	ok, thanks for looking doug	03:51
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elnino	Mech4221 - webgui is pretty cool,I've been using it for two years now, and usually when I think I have to do something "custom" they've already thought of it, and it just ends up being something that needs tweeking. Macros are easy to write, and everyhting I've seen pretty clean code. Before going 'custom'make sure you ask, so you don't reinvent the wheel. Webgui is really feature rich.	04:13
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+perlDreamer	preaction, are you awake?	06:11
+perlDreamer	I can't believe the guy that posted the XSS bug about WebGUI	06:12
+perlDreamer	"Please contact us if you want a patch"	06:12
+perlDreamer	why in the world wouldn't they submit the patch to the bug?	06:13
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7836 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: fix writing to root and depending on config file values	10:58
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7837 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: forward port test fixes for AssetExportHtml	10:58
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7838 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetExportHtml.pm International.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): begin internationalizing AssetExportHtml error messages. This required adding a new character to the safe regexp in International.pm	10:58
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7839 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: update test to reflect error message changes	10:58
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7840 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): forward port i18n AssetExportHtml error messages	10:58
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elnino	Hi all! Not EXACTLY webui question, but somewhat related. =) Is there a typical port to use when installing a second instance of apache? -	05:11
@Haarg	not really	05:19
@Haarg	there are some used commonly, like 8080, but it really doesn't make much difference	05:19
elnino	ok. thanks.	05:23
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elnino	help. I need to shutdown everything and I'm unable to use wreserver to stop anything. I'm geting a "malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135." error for some reason. Ideas?	05:47
@Haarg	possibly something wrong with your wre.conf file	05:48
elnino	yikes! it's size 0. That's bad.	05:52
elnino	happened 12 hours ago. Very bad.	05:53
elnino	which logfile tells you who logs in again? Auth.log isn't telling me much	05:56
elnino	what is the recommended ownership of the wre and webgui configuration files?	06:05
@preaction	root owned, apache readable	06:10
elnino	so... 701? did I do my math correct?	06:12
@Haarg	not executable	06:12
@Haarg	so 601 or 611	06:12
elnino	for al of wre and webgui configuration files?	06:13
@preaction	should be fine	06:14
@preaction	610 might work depending on the group ownership	06:15
@Haarg	they probably don't need to be readable by anyone but root actually	06:17
elnino	it's currenty root:root	06:17
elnino	and they are currently 644 which is -rw-r--r--	06:18
elnino	or am I doning my math wrong again..	06:18
@Haarg	no, that's correct	06:18
elnino	ok. so 644 root:root and some of them are webgui:webgui	06:19
@Haarg	sorry, i was mistaken. 644 or 604 is probably what you want.	06:19
@Haarg	if you make them all chgrp webgui, you could do 640	06:20
elnino	ok. well. I'm really confused then what could of happned. i disabled root to ssh. and I have the only account that can log in. so when I was logged in, I found that my drive was maxed. so I deleted all old log files and finally got that cleared up.	06:21
elnino	but then saw that my wre.conf was size zero.	06:22
@preaction	what version of Config::JSON are you using?	06:22
elnino	umm.. I have wre. 085	06:22
elnino	I may have installed JSON thru cpan because of the gotchas. but I don't know because I have several servers.	06:23
elnino	let me look if test environment gives me any thing.	06:23
@preaction	i would suspect that the WRE tried to change its config, the monitor perhaps, which destroyed the config and then when it tried to rewrite it failed somehow (no disk space maybe)	06:23
@preaction	Config::JSON is most likely culprit. it should do it more safely (try to write a temp config, then replace the old config only if the temp config is successfully written)	06:24
@Haarg	backup script alters the config file	06:24
@Haarg	so that seems the likely cause	06:25
elnino	I thought I disabled your back up script. I have my own. mybe the upgrade from 083 to 084 and 085 overwrote it.	06:26
@preaction	you can grab a backup WRE config from the wre's backup, if you still had that going	06:26
elnino	I did.	06:29
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elnino	currently everything is still shut down. I'm just trying to make sure everything is as it should be before I start up again. That was scary, so I'm hoping you're correct about the JSON thing.	06:30
elnino	I'n having a difficutl time determining the version of JSON. perldoc perllocal didn't list it.	06:31
@Haarg	perl -mJSON -e'print JSON->VERSION, "\n"'	06:31
@preaction	it's Config::JSON, the JSON module doesn't write files	06:32
elnino	2.05	06:32
@preaction	so like that, but Config::JSON instead	06:32
elnino	1.1.4	06:32
@preaction	you should have 1.14 i believe, the latest version. i fixed a bug relating to this, but i didn't anticipate the drive full issue	06:32
@preaction	so this might be a bug in there	06:33
elnino	I hope you mean 1.1.4	06:33
@preaction	yeah	06:33
elnino	I didn't either!	06:33
elnino	I was at 67%. I cleaned up and am now at 46% usage. So that's good. Glad I could be a test bed. Would you like mt ot open a bug report?	06:34
elnino	yep: http://search.cpan.org/~rizen/Config-JSON-1.1.4/lib/Config/JSON.pm 1.1.4 is the latest	06:35
@preaction	67%? your disk wasn't rull?	06:38
@preaction	er.. full	06:38
elnino	it was. but I cleane dit up.	06:38
@preaction	yeah you might want to open a report just to make sure we remember	06:39
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elnino	hmm. Trying to start up everything, but mod_perl fails. Looked at the log file and it says that /userSession is marked as crashed and should be repaired.	06:54
elnino	is webgui myISAM?	06:54
@preaction	yes	06:58
elnino	ok. thanks	06:59
elnino	hmmm. I'm getting a blank screen when trying to search webgui.org.	07:05
elnino	all is well now. Thanks for your help preaction and Haarg!	07:15
@Haarg	there's a bug report about the blank search thing. i'm trying to fix it now.	07:15
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+cap10morgan	Does the PerformanceProfiler still work?	08:32
+cap10morgan	i get crazy high (and large negative) values from it for durations	08:32
+cap10morgan	on 7.5.24	08:32
+cap10morgan	and it gobbles up memory like it's going out of style	08:33
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CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7842 /WebGUI/t/syntaxCheck.t: syntax check is faster, always runs, and tests for warnings as well	23:10
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7843 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): fixed: Shortcuts includes HTML head data twice	23:10
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7844 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/permission.t: make GalleryAlbum test run, and fix it	23:10
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7845 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.0-7.6.1.pl): fixed: DataForm entry table isn't properly indexed	23:10
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7846 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm can't export fields containing newlines	23:10
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7847 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed: UserList templates use incorrect variable names	23:10
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SynQ	hi there	02:38
SynQ	7.5.22-stable ?	02:38
SynQ	that seems old to me	02:39
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SynQ	hi there Radix	02:55
SynQ	working day started allready huh?	02:55
CIA-39	WebGUI: patspam * r7852 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Refactored exceptions	03:11
+Radix-wrk	yup	03:13
+Radix-wrk	7.45am and I'm at work already	03:13
+Radix-wrk	get to leave early in return tho ;)	03:13
SynQ	early :)	03:14
+Radix-wrk	How's things?	03:14
SynQ	busy	03:25
SynQ	very busy	03:25
SynQ	right now i'm going to be	03:25
SynQ	bed	03:25
SynQ	I just finished a midnight database migration	03:25
SynQ	later	03:29
+Radix-wrk	nite :)	03:49
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CIA-39	WebGUI: yung * r7857 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed select slider and key/value pair support for list type form elements in Thingy	11:56
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:15
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zylopfa	Greetings all	18:49
zylopfa	I am making a paymentdriver for the danish PBS (joint payment provider for danish banks)	18:50
dionak	wasn't there a newsletter feature in webgui? not seeing it on demo...	18:55
zylopfa	dionak, you have to enable it in the config file for the site, its not enabled by default	18:57
@rizen	it's enabled by default on beta.webgui.org	18:58
dionak	ah..guess it's not enabled for the webgui demo	18:58
@rizen	and is defaultly enabled on all new 7.6 sites	18:59
zylopfa	Ahh ok	18:59
zylopfa	rizen, has there been worked on the newsletter asset?	18:59
@rizen	nope, i just noticed that it wasn't in there when i was redoing the new content menu, so i added it	19:00
zylopfa	Ahh ok	19:00
zylopfa	Anyway i am making a new PaymentDriver	19:00
zylopfa	I will share it with the community when i am done	19:00
@rizen	dionak: the newsletter asset is only useful if you enable content profiling	19:00
dionak	i like the warning telling me to enable content profiling	19:01
dionak	very helpful	19:01
zylopfa	yeah	19:01
dionak	zylopfa, i'm sure the other dutch users will appreciate it.	19:02
zylopfa	Danish ;D	19:02
zylopfa	If the paypal driver is not made yet I will also make that	19:02
@rizen	zylopfa: very cool	19:02
dionak	haha, yea. not that we don't appreciate it.	19:02
zylopfa	Its a good exercice in webgui api	19:02
dionak	that would be great!	19:02
zylopfa	I realy love the pluggability of webgui	19:03
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BartJol	Someone already has done something with paypall	19:04
BartJol	Ibelieve	19:04
BartJol	I think Jori	19:04
BartJol	Joeri	19:04
zylopfa	yeah i think so too	19:05
zylopfa	was announced a while ago that it would be in 7.6	19:05
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dionak	when is 7.6 due again?	19:05
+perlDreamer	7.6 is stable in January	19:05
dionak	cool, that's not far off	19:06
zylopfa	I wonder when payment gateways will be cheap to use	19:06
BartJol	mm, it's not in the site i expected ir to be	19:07
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dionak	btw, rizen. when developers add new columns to the database, when do the upgrade scripts get updated with that info?	19:09
@preaction	dionak, the previousVersion.sql and create.sql are created as part of the build process	19:12
@Haarg	all database changes are done through upgrade scripts	19:13
dionak	i ask because i recently updated, deleted my test local db and then recreated and was still missing columns. i'll try it again this evening.	19:13
@perlmonkey2	Should you ever have a Post with the same idea as its Thread?	19:13
@perlmonkey2	s/idea/id/	19:14
zylopfa	I bought the developers guide	19:14
zylopfa	from plainblack	19:14
@Haarg	the thread is a post, so yes	19:14
@perlmonkey2	that makes my head hurt.	19:15
zylopfa	The thread is the parent?	19:15
@preaction	post is the parent class of thread, yes	19:15
@perlmonkey2	preaction: then there is nothing really wrong with the first link we were talking about? And it also can't be moved in the Thread?	19:16
@preaction	no, there's nothing really wrong. but no it can't be moved (since the Thread post is always first)	19:17
@perlmonkey2	The PostThread will always be the first Post in its Thread?	19:17
@preaction	yes	19:17
@perlmonkey2	preaction: so in order to get rid of the first post in that thread, I'll need to create a new thread of the second post then move all the other posts to it and then have it replace the original postthread.	19:21
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@preaction	you should be able to just add a new post with the Thread post's contents and then remove the thread post's contents	19:21
Lisette	how to do an utility that add products?	19:22
@preaction	Lisette, Products are just assets, so the same way you'd add an asset	19:22
Lisette	thanks	19:23
zylopfa	I like the new payment system	19:26
+perlDreamer	Lisette, you can look at /data/WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku/Product.t for examples.	19:28
@rizen	perlmonkey2: no, if you get rid of the threads, all posts after it follow, period	19:30
@rizen	perlmonkey2: in other words, don't jury rig something to generate some post as a thread that wasn't originally a thread	19:31
@perlmonkey2	rizen: I'm just going t take the second post, move its info to the first, then delete the second.	19:34
@rizen	why are you doing this at all?	19:34
@perlmonkey2	they dont' want the first post anymore	19:35
@perlmonkey2	not for thta 'section'	19:35
@rizen	who is 'they'?	19:35
zylopfa	Cant it be done altering the template?	19:36
zylopfa	I need to ask a question. I am making this payment driver and i was wondering if i could locate a transaction id, based on the cartId	19:42
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miloidrr	Hi, perldreamer how are you?. I have a question about a cs. I'm checking the WebGUI Versions 7.4.40 and 7.5.23 but i don't found the karma options. Do you know something about this?	19:45
miloidrr	In The new version it not appear	19:46
BartJol	miloidrr: maybe a stupid question, but you did enable it in the sttings?	19:50
miloidrr	In the world there is not any stupid question, but tks for your help bartjol	19:54
BartJol	so you did enable it?	19:54
miloidrr	Yes	19:54
BartJol	because in 7.5.24 I do see the options	19:54
miloidrr	yes i can see it now	19:54
miloidrr	It was a mental lapse	19:55
BartJol	ah	19:55
BartJol	:)	19:55
@rizen	zylopfa: no, cuz there is no transaction id yet at that point	19:55
miloidrr	:)	19:56
zylopfa	rizen, i thought as much. I am making something wrong then	19:58
zylopfa	I am creating a payment driver, where it only should generate a pay button	19:58
zylopfa	and with that i need to send an identifier for the payment	19:59
zylopfa	so i can find the order when the paymentgateway calls back my callback function	19:59
zylopfa	rizen, can you find a transaction based on a cartid?	19:59
zylopfa	It goes like this: user presses pay button --> user enter details at paymentgw(carddetails) --> gets redirected to reciept at my place	20:00
zylopfa	-> the reciept finishes the transaction	20:00
zylopfa	But the gateway then post callback to my site	20:01
zylopfa	and from that i need to find the order	20:01
@rizen	there still is no tranaction id at that point	20:01
@rizen	because you're doing an off-site transaction	20:01
zylopfa	maybe i do it in the wrong order	20:01
zylopfa	yeah i am	20:02
@rizen	everything you said was correct, but...	20:02
@rizen	hold on...looking something up	20:02
@rizen	ok...	20:04
@rizen	your postback method	20:04
@rizen	needs to call processTransaction	20:05
@rizen	which creates the transaction	20:05
@rizen	from the cart	20:05
zylopfa	but rizen	20:05
zylopfa	Its the payment gateway that call the method	20:05
zylopfa	and he don't know the details	20:05
zylopfa	I mean the card/cookiedetails/users session is lost	20:06
zylopfa	so it wont be able to know what to process	20:06
@rizen	i understand that	20:06
zylopfa	unless it has some kind of identifier	20:06
@rizen	just listen	20:06
zylopfa	ok	20:06
@rizen	create a method called www_postBackFromProvider	20:06
@rizen	the provider passes back the cart id	20:07
@rizen	which you sent to it	20:07
zylopfa	aaah ofc	20:07
zylopfa	THANKS A LOT!!	20:07
zylopfa	lol i did it differnet	20:07
zylopfa	and then i put: $cart->getId(); in the push-button-form!	20:08
@rizen	right	20:08
zylopfa	You are awesome	20:08
@rizen	and then in www_postBackFromProvider you instanciate the cart	20:08
@rizen	using the cart id	20:08
zylopfa	and then create transaction	20:09
@rizen	yup	20:09
zylopfa	can i ask some last thing	20:09
@rizen	nope	20:09
zylopfa	ok	20:09
@rizen	i don't answer questions when you ask whether you can ask them	20:09
@rizen	=)	20:09
@rizen	of course if you just ask, then i'll answer	20:09
@rizen	=)	20:09
zylopfa	ok, the user get a "confitmation screen" from my site (he gets redirected to it from gw)	20:10
zylopfa	and in "parallel" the callback script gets called	20:10
BartJol	and you can recognise him when he says "shut up and listen, I'm god"	20:10
zylopfa	Then i ask: should i pr. default say to user "your order has been completed"	20:10
BartJol	sorry...	20:10
zylopfa	Because i cant expect the callback to be called first	20:11
zylopfa	depends on the speed of the payment gateway	20:11
@rizen	right	20:11
@rizen	you probably should say	20:11
@rizen	"we're processing your order"	20:11
zylopfa	yeah, here are your preliminary details	20:11
@rizen	and "when your order has been processed, it will show up in <link>your account history</link>"	20:12
zylopfa	and then list the "invoice"	20:12
zylopfa	yeah good idea	20:12
@rizen	and link them to the my transactions page	20:12
zylopfa	ahh yeah	20:12
zylopfa	This is so awesome	20:12
@rizen	another thing we could do for 7.6	20:13
@rizen	is allow you to create the transaction in advance	20:14
@rizen	and pass it in to processTransaction()	20:14
@rizen	so that you could use the transaction id	20:14
@rizen	instead of the cart	20:14
zylopfa	ahh yeah, could be a good idea	20:14
zylopfa	and then flag it "partial" or something	20:14
zylopfa	rizen, maybe if the payment-gw is smart, it wont redirect the user to me before it posted to callback?	20:14
@rizen	who knows though...can't rely on systems you don't control	20:15
zylopfa	indeed	20:15
zylopfa	better make it robust	20:15
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zylopfa	Whats wrong with the following? :	20:46
zylopfa	my $fields = $session->form->paramsHashRef();	20:46
zylopfa	my $cartid = %$fields{'reference'};	20:46
+perlDreamer	Haarg, that new syntax check test is fast!	20:46
@preaction	zylopfa, syntax error. my $cartid = $fields->{'reference'}	20:46
@preaction	zylopfa, see perldoc perldsc or perldoc perlref for more info	20:47
zylopfa	but dont it need to be dereferenced?	20:47
@preaction	-> is the deref operator	20:47
zylopfa	i need to learn hashes	20:47
zylopfa	and programming	20:47
@Haarg	it's nice to have it run faster. might convince people to use it more.	20:48
zylopfa	I love the perl developer book, that it start with testing	20:48
zylopfa	that shows the webgui is very onto good coding	20:49
zylopfa	the webgui team	20:49
zylopfa	Haarg, i also noticed that when you choose what group will get the notification of a new sale on the site	20:50
zylopfa	and you choose a group like "ShopKeepers"	20:51
zylopfa	then the Admin group will still get an email	20:51
zylopfa	is this a feature?	20:51
@Haarg	yes, the admin group is a member of all groups by default	20:51
zylopfa	ahh ok	20:52
zylopfa	Makes no sense to make more than 1 admin	20:53
zylopfa	you can make sub-admins or helpers and so	20:53
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miloidrr	PerlDreamer hi, i have a question about the karma in the gallery of the webgui version 7.5.23	20:59
+perlDreamer	okay, I don't know much about the gallery, but please ask	20:59
@preaction	i wasn't sure karma was part of the Gallery	21:00
+perlDreamer	preaction, maybe we should ask the guy who wrote it	21:00
@preaction	that jerk? i'm not so sure about that	21:00
+perlDreamer	Hey, he's not a jerk. He's just kind of touchy	21:00
@preaction	but he doesn't have to be so MEAN	21:00
+perlDreamer	Indeed.	21:01
miloidrr	I cant see this option in this	21:01
@preaction	which option?	21:01
zylopfa	perlDreamer, if there are any one who want additional payment driver, i shall make them on request	21:01
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, I'd read through the boards on webgui.org	21:02
zylopfa	roger that	21:02
+perlDreamer	I think someone requested a driver or too	21:02
+perlDreamer	also, check RFEs	21:02
miloidrr	Karma option in the asset gallery	21:02
zylopfa	Sweet	21:02
@preaction	miloidrr, there isn't any	21:02
BartJol	miloidrr: maybe if you want karma in a gellery, you can use the cs with the photo gallery template	21:04
miloidrr	This option isn't enable to the asset gallery?	21:04
@preaction	miloidrr, there is no karma in the gallery asset, no.	21:05
miloidrr	:-(	21:05
zylopfa	I have a question again :D	21:08
zylopfa	In the payment PayDriver i make, the callback gets called from the paymentGW	21:08
zylopfa	and i was wondering if the parameters then	21:08
zylopfa	sub www_callback {	21:08
zylopfa	my $self = shift;	21:08
zylopfa	my $session = $self->session;	21:08
zylopfa	The $self is wrong isn't it? cause its not been instantiated?	21:09
zylopfa	so it only gets the $session passed in right?	21:09
@preaction	where is this callback being called from? are you sure it's not instantiated?	21:09
zylopfa	Its from the paymentgateqay	21:10
zylopfa	they call this method through a POST	21:10
@preaction	right, but follow the entire flow of the request	21:10
zylopfa	yeah the callback is called from the PayDriver	21:10
zylopfa	my $cart = WebGUI::Shop::Cart->new($session,"$cartid");	21:10
zylopfa	my $paydriver = WebGUI::Shop::PayDriver->new($session,"$driverid");	21:10
zylopfa	my $transaction = WebGUI::Shop::Transaction->create({ cart=>$cart, paymentMethod=>$paydriver});	21:10
zylopfa	gives me errors that something is an unblessed reference	21:11
@preaction	zylopfa, stop pasting to the channel	21:11
zylopfa	sorry Sir	21:11
@preaction	and what is the unblessed reference?	21:11
zylopfa	thr transaction	21:11
zylopfa	the	21:12
@preaction	you mean the line that's creating the transaction?	21:12
zylopfa	yeah	21:13
@preaction	so then $cart or $paydriver are undefined	21:13
zylopfa	I will debug that then thanks	21:13
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elnino	hi! This last upgrade that I did that converted non-utf8 to utf-8 did quite the number on our site. We have a LOT of "boxes" and "question marks" where there were copywrite and registered marks. Is there a way to do a global fix for these? we're looking at 200-300 pages we need to fix.	21:19
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7861 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: Cross site scripting issue on operation pages	21:24
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7862 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm): fixed: Cross site scripting issue on operation pages	21:24
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7863 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm): fixed: Search asset shows blank page after searching	21:24
dionak	the most direct route would probably be a script to convert the characters to utf-8 in the db	21:25
dionak	is there a way to upload a compressed archive of images to webgui media and have webgui uncompress the archive?	21:27
elnino	Apparantly that is what the upgrade did.	21:27
elnino	there is an asset call ziparchive - that may wwork for you.	21:27
elnino	although it doesn't put it in the media folder structure.	21:28
elnino	hmm, but it would if youwere in the media folder in the asset manager.	21:28
elnino	so - anyway, the upgrade script is what converted all the data into utf-8. the copyright and registered markes were not utf-8 before. but they are now, and they are displayed as boxes or question marks depending on the browser used. So apparantly not all utf-8 characters are supported in html? So maybe I need to do something in my page layout to display utf-8?	21:31
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dionak	is your charset in the meta tags utf-8? not sure if this will help, just curious	21:36
+perlDreamer	elnino, it would unpack the zip file in a storage location, outside of the asset hierarchy	21:36
dionak	so a content manager couldn't use this to upload an archive of images right?	21:38
+perlDreamer	Asset::File::Images, no. jpegs and gifs, yes	21:38
dionak	looks like this asset might be intended to display the contents of the archive on a particular page	21:38
+perlDreamer	yes, exactly	21:38
+perlDreamer	Maybe in addition to FilePile, we need CompressedPile	21:39
+perlDreamer	using Archive::Any to unpack and then deferring to FilePile type asset creation	21:39
elnino	perlDreamer, dionak - that's a bummer. Sorry to mislead.	21:46
dionak	np	21:46
elnino	dionak - yep. My meta tags is set to utf-8 currently.	21:46
elnino	So I don't know what else I need to do to make these characters display correctly. If I look at the source of the html, the registered and copyright symbols show up correctly, just not in the browser.	21:47
dionak	my last guess is that the browser doesn't handle utf-8 characters correctly. Is it IE?	21:47
@preaction	no, the issue was that iso-8897-1 (latin-1) chars were being saved to a utf-8 field. those chars need to be replaced with © ® and the other HTML entities for those characters	21:48
elnino	preaction - so I'm confused, that if the update converted iso-8897-1 to utf-8, why they don't appear correctly? what were they converted to?	21:50
dionak	so is it correct in thinking that IE doesn't handle &#169? Haven't tested. I usually use &copy	21:50
elnino	I'm pretty sure it's ie and firefox. let me double check...	21:51
elnino	yep. firefox doesn't display it either. nor does safari	21:53
elnino	In the code it doesn't show © either, it literally shows a registered mark. I'm using notepad to view it. So it got converted to something weird, not © and not ®	21:53
elnino	http://www.comtrol.com/comtrol-news/press-releases/comtrollodginglinkandrsi - is the page.	21:53
@preaction	elnino, because it was latin-1 being stored in utf-8 fields. we converted to binary, and then converted back, and the latin-1 codepoints don't correspond to utf-8 codepoints (except for the most basic characters)	21:54
@preaction	worse, it was probably cp-whatever, the windows encoding	21:54
dionak	so it's a bug	21:54
@preaction	no, it's not	21:54
elnino	ah. it was windows. I just didn't know how it couldn't display if it was correctly converted to utf-8.	21:54
@preaction	notepad is using the encoding that it was made with, Latin-1	21:55
elnino	but it seems that it wasn't converted correctly.	21:55
@preaction	Latin-1 and utf-8 have overlap	21:55
elnino	well, if I write a sql statement or something to convert x to © what is x?	21:56
@preaction	x is the character, copied and pasted, hopefully. it might work	21:56
@preaction	there are a lot of things that do auto-conversion, perl is one of them. so it may work, it may not	21:57
elnino	and it appears that it only occured in title and menutitle fields, correct? the article assests seem to be still ok - from what we've seen so far.	21:57
elnino	I gues I don't understand what I'm converting. utf-8 to utf-8?	21:58
elnino	or is it bcause not all of utf-8 is presentable via html?	21:58
@preaction	no, you're converting iso-8897 to an HTML entity	21:58
elnino	I already did the upgrade.. it's been converted.	21:58
elnino	Am I confused?	21:59
elnino	this is all an enigma to me.	22:00
@preaction	character encoding is hell	22:00
dionak	so what was the character before it got mangled?	22:01
elnino	I'm feeling the heat	22:01
@preaction	the only comfort i can offer: copy/paste the character from one terminal window (the mysql output) to another (your fixer script), and change it to the proper HTML entity	22:01
elnino	the character that was there before the upgrade was something most likely copied from MSWord.	22:02
elnino	after the upgrade it was supposedly converted to utf-8	22:03
dionak	oh, joy	22:03
elnino	which now displays as a box or ? depending on browser.	22:03
@preaction	the columns were converted, not necessarily the data	22:03
elnino	In the source code using notepad, it shows upas a registered mark or copyright.	22:03
elnino	preaction - OH! so the data may still be whatever word is.	22:04
@preaction	elnino, since the column was utf-8, but the data could've been anything (latin1 windows russian)	22:04
@preaction	our columns were correct, but we weren't forcing anything for the data	22:04
@preaction	that's changed	22:04
elnino	if utf-8 is an encoding, what is latin1, widows, and russian called? are they subsets? or are they encoding too?	22:06
@preaction	they're different encodings	22:06
elnino	and msword uses iso-8897 encoding?	22:07
@preaction	msword uses whatever you have set, but most likely cp-13.. something. there's a windows-specific encoding that shares a lot with latin-1	22:08
elnino	so how do I explain what happened to the the data during the upgrade to marketing without scaring them?	22:08
elnino	AND hopefully this type of thing won't happen again...	22:08
@preaction	webgui fixed character encoding and translation issues, but some data was unable to be fixed (since we did not know what kind of characters they were).	22:09
@preaction	and as far as i know, this issue is fixed. we've got two major groups using the i18n and character encoding features of webgui, and they've had time to test	22:10
elnino	oh. That reminds me, I was going to take a look at my translated pages. I hope they aren't boxes.	22:11
elnino	crud. about half of them made it thru.	22:12
@preaction	graham may know how to fix those	22:14
@preaction	or you might be able to use Word to change the encoding from whatever it was to utf-8	22:14
elnino	I don't have word. =( I have open office. I refuse to use or install word.	22:16
elnino	So, I put those pages up by coping from notepad. Are you saying notepad can handle any encoding? Could Ijust repaste them from notepad?	22:17
@preaction	make the marketing team do it then? they need to know this in order to prevent it from happening again	22:17
@preaction	you might be able to, but you'd need to make sure it was utf-8 before you pasted	22:17
@preaction	i don't even know that Word can do this	22:17
@preaction	it might just make it into gibberish	22:17
elnino	so... to put a registered mark on a page. do they type ® in the wysiwyg editor? or do they need to go to the html source?	22:18
elnino	I do believe they need to now type © and ® in the menutitle and title from now on, right?	22:19
@preaction	there's a button to "Insert HTML Entity"	22:19
@preaction	i don't know	22:19
elnino	oh. that works. ok. Let me play around wth this more.	22:19
@preaction	in the HTML editor, the ? symbol	22:19
@Haarg	if it doesn't work to copy and paste a ® symbol into the rich editor, what software are they using?	22:20
elnino	Haarg - they are copyingn straight from word to the wysiwyg editor	22:21
elnino	- to the best of my knowledge. They may be coping from quark	22:23
elnino	oh. interesting. I went tot hat page. clicked edit. it all appeared "correctly", so I made no modifications. Clicked save. and the marks have been "converted" to html entities.	22:26
elnino	it didn't know what to do with the special "apostrophe" though.	22:26
elnino	So if there is a way to write a script to "resave" every page in our site. That should do it. because apparantly somewhere between editing and saving it converts them correctly to entities.	22:29
@preaction	it probably has to be saved from the front-end though	22:30
@preaction	not even WWW::Mech could do it, since it doesn't do JS	22:30
elnino	bummer.	22:32
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zylopfa	DAmn i am still having problems coding this payment driver :(	22:53
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@perlmonkey2	FYI for all you greenies. Part of the bail out included a $7500 federal rebate for plug-in hybrids.	23:25
@preaction	yay chevy volt!	23:27
zylopfa	:D	23:28
zylopfa	Anyone familiar with the PayDriver system in webgui?	23:28
zylopfa	I am trying to make a cart object from a cartid	23:28
zylopfa	but whenever i use any methods from the new object i get	23:29
zylopfa	WebGUI::Shop::Address:166 - Address not in this address book.	23:29
zylopfa	I think its because the system thinks the user (Visitor) doesn't own the address	23:29
zylopfa	I need to use this user cause its the CallBack from the paymentgateway	23:30
zylopfa	rizen, are you here ;D	23:31
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+perlDreamer	zylopfa, address books are not user owned, they are owned by a "session".	23:36
zylopfa	i just dont understand this	23:37
zylopfa	it my payment driver and not all is done in the same session	23:37
zylopfa	because its calling a website to do the creditcard checks	23:38
zylopfa	and then it calls back	23:38
+perlDreamer	if you do it as visitor, and it creates a different session, you won't get the expected results	23:38
zylopfa	But i have problems instantiating the Cart, in the callback	23:38
zylopfa	but perlDreamer what to do :(	23:38
+cap10morgan	is it possible to have both automatic ldap registration and anonymous registration at the same time?	23:38
+perlDreamer	Can you have the remote website pass back the sessionId?	23:39
+perlDreamer	that sounds dangerous, too	23:39
+perlDreamer	for session hijacking	23:39
zylopfa	perlDreamer, yeah i can	23:39
zylopfa	but i dont understand	23:39
zylopfa	why i cant create an instance of the Cart	23:39
zylopfa	and use it regardless	23:39
zylopfa	my $fields = $session->form->paramsHashRef();	23:40
zylopfa	my $cartid = $fields->{'reference'};	23:40
zylopfa	my $driverid = $fields->{'paymentGatewayId'};	23:40
zylopfa	my $cart = WebGUI::Shop::Cart->new($session,"$cartid");	23:40
zylopfa		23:40
zylopfa	that is what i do in the eecallback	23:40
zylopfa	in the www_callback	23:40
zylopfa	but when i access the methods in $cart, i get address book errors	23:41
zylopfa	I mean if i make the object from the cart id, shouldnt it reflect the object with the details from the cartId?	23:41
zylopfa	All information in the perldoc suggests so	23:41
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+perlDreamer	zylopfa, preaction will kick you out of the channel if you keep doing that.	23:43
+perlDreamer	use webgui.pastebin.com	23:43
zylopfa	yeah sorry ok	23:43
zylopfa	perlDreamer?	23:44
+perlDreamer	yes?	23:44
zylopfa	does it make sense to instantiate a whole new PayDriver object in the callback method?	23:44
+perlDreamer	not if you have an existing one that's configured correctly	23:44
zylopfa	no	23:44
zylopfa	I just dont get why thisdont wotk	23:45
zylopfa	work	23:45
zylopfa	It cant be true that i have to do "select from card where cardid=xxx"	23:45
zylopfa	when the object have methods for it	23:46
+perlDreamer	but it's not the "cart" that you're having problems with, correct?	23:46
zylopfa	well now it is	23:46
+perlDreamer	this is what I suggest.	23:46
zylopfa	cause in order to make the transaction final i need to use the card object	23:46
zylopfa	mysite -> paymentgw -> callback-function on my site	23:47
zylopfa	thats how it goes	23:47
zylopfa	so i need to recreate the Cart, and i have the cart id	23:47
+perlDreamer	you use the ->new method	23:48
zylopfa	my $cart = WebGUI::Shop::Cart->new($session,"$cartid");	23:48
zylopfa	yes	23:48
+perlDreamer	and you're saying that throws an error?	23:48
zylopfa	and i get the cartid from the paymentgw when it post to me	23:48
zylopfa	no not that call	23:49
+perlDreamer	which call?	23:49
zylopfa	but when i access the $cart objects methods	23:49
zylopfa	my $total = $cart->calculateTotal();	23:49
+perlDreamer	which object methods?	23:49
zylopfa	I did that just to test	23:49
zylopfa	if i could use the object	23:49
+perlDreamer	to calculateTotal, it calculates shipping, which requires an address	23:49
+perlDreamer	and tax, which requires an address	23:49
zylopfa	but perlDreamer	23:50
+perlDreamer	I think you're having the same, old problem you described earlier	23:50
zylopfa	the Card object has all those things	23:50
zylopfa	Cart even	23:50
+perlDreamer	can you paste the error from the webgui.log into a pastebin?	23:50
zylopfa	yeah	23:50
zylopfa	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2edbe47c	23:51
zylopfa	The first is just a debug to see if the CartId came through	23:52
zylopfa	and i have looked in the cart table in the db, that the cart exist with that id	23:52
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+perlDreamer	I will look at it in a bit	23:55
zylopfa	thanks a lot	23:55
zylopfa	btw. i have also checked that the cart items is present in the database	23:56
zylopfa	So basically i can recreate the order from the data in the db. but its a nasty hack if i have to use sql instead of the build-in methods	23:56
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zylopfa	perlbot, I am a bit further in the investigation and i have tried to get the items from the cart through object methods	00:02
zylopfa	and i am able to get them	00:03
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zylopfa	Seems like a shipping address haven't been associated with the cart object	00:03
+perlDreamer	Sounds vaguely familiar ;)	00:03
zylopfa	which is odd, cause i choose an address in the start before i exited to the payment gw	00:03
zylopfa	woops i ment perlDreamer	00:04
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zylopfa	Hmmm, no it cant be that cause a shippingAddress id is in the record in the database table cart	00:05
+perlDreamer	Good luck, khenn_	00:07
khenn_	with?	00:07
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+perlDreamer	Bug/RFE upgrades today, yes?	00:08
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+MrHairgrease	He's going to Lisbon!	00:15
+MrHairgrease	http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7908232974188401388&ei=MnzqSNuVEI2wiALavp2uCA&q=brian+d+foy&vt=lf	00:15
+MrHairgrease	1:58	00:15
+perlDreamer	Huh?	00:15
+perlDreamer	No video at work, most esteemed EuroTrash Dude	00:16
+MrHairgrease	too bad	00:16
+MrHairgrease	email it to yourself for when you are at home	00:16
+perlDreamer	they are worried about the internet affecting our productivity	00:17
+MrHairgrease	that's why they keep irc open	00:17
+perlDreamer	exactly	00:17
+MrHairgrease	that makes sense...	00:17
zylopfa	perlDreamer, I am now trying to send the AddressId to the gateway also	00:20
zylopfa	If it work then, I suggest some changes to the api	00:20
zylopfa	because imo. the shipping address should be saved to the Cart object	00:20
+cap10morgan	I'm using WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler on 7.5.24, but I get huge negative times for many calls. Is that normal?	00:31
+MrHairgrease	dunno, but you might wanna try Devel::NYTProf::Apache	00:33
+MrHairgrease	I have been playing with that for areally tiny bit	00:34
+MrHairgrease	haven't been able to get the profiling data to be converted to something readble though	00:34
+MrHairgrease	more info: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/07/develnytprof-will-knock-your-socks-off.html	00:34
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+cap10morgan	MrHairgrease: cool, will check that out	00:38
+MrHairgrease	yeah	00:38
+MrHairgrease	if you know how to process the files it dumps in /tmp please let me know	00:39
+cap10morgan	ok, i'll let you know if i figure anything out there	00:41
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carogray	Is there some reason I should put a data email form on a page rather than just simply leave it as an asset with its own page style? ..other than the fact that I might want to display it in a collection of other assets?	00:57
carogray	I am inclined to simply use it by itelf without creaing a page for it. what would be the drawbacks of this solution?	00:58
@preaction	just what you mentioned, you can't put other assets around it on a page	01:00
carogray	is that the ONLY drawback?	01:00
@preaction	the only one i can think of	01:01
carogray	that was the only one I could think of too. So I think I am just going to go with it - streamlining, doncha know. thanks preaction.	01:01
dionak	lol, it's the palin effect...doncha know	01:04
zylopfa	haah shit my payment providers gateway is down	01:06
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zylopfa	perlDreamer,	01:18
grink	zylopfa: who?	01:18
zylopfa	I figured something out	01:18
zylopfa	Its the danish PBS	01:18
zylopfa	payment provider for all danish banks	01:18
zylopfa	but its up again	01:18
+perlDreamer	excellent!	01:18
zylopfa	perlDreamer, you know the addressbook	01:19
+perlDreamer	I am familiar with it	01:19
zylopfa	whe it looks up the address for the order	01:19
zylopfa	it does: select * from address where addressId='LqhhtazoYUwzGuoB70c3BA';	01:19
zylopfa	which is good	01:19
zylopfa	but! it dubble checks if its the sessions addressbook	01:19
zylopfa	which makes it impossible to use callback	01:20
+perlDreamer	this is also good, but unfortunate for what you are trying to do	01:20
zylopfa	yes	01:20
zylopfa	I backtracked the webgui code	01:20
zylopfa	its crazy if i have to create an addressbook object myself	01:21
zylopfa	to have the decired addressbook id	01:21
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@preaction	the cart should have an address for you	01:24
zylopfa	yes	01:24
zylopfa	BUT	01:24
zylopfa	The cart was created for the USER logged in	01:24
zylopfa	And the callback function is called from the gateway	01:25
@preaction	okay	01:25
zylopfa	and it wont be logged in as other than visitor	01:25
@preaction	so your gateway kinda works like Paypal, you go to an external site and then get sent back to webgui, right?	01:25
zylopfa	so it cant readily access the addresses stored for the user making the purchace	01:25
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zylopfa	Yes Sir	01:25
@preaction	but when they come back, the session isn't the same?	01:26
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zylopfa	preaction, the session the user gets returned to is the same	01:26
zylopfa	but the GWserver that does callback has no usersession ofc	01:27
zylopfa	preaction, I have to make some sql code in the new driver then	01:28
@preaction	why? what do you need to give to the gateway?	01:29
zylopfa	ok here it goes	01:29
zylopfa	MY SIte -> gateway	01:29
zylopfa	this stage i get over to gateway and put payment info	01:29
zylopfa	which work fine ofc	01:29
zylopfa	then next stage	01:29
zylopfa	gateway REDIRECTS user to "grats on buying from us" page	01:30
zylopfa	which works fine!	01:30
zylopfa	BUT	01:30
zylopfa	then the GATEWAY calls a callback url to inform on status of the transactrion	01:30
zylopfa	THIS is whre it goes wrong	01:30
zylopfa	I am not accepting a payment before i get ok from the gateway	01:31
zylopfa	else its the same as taking candy from a child	01:31
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zylopfa	Its 1 line in the addressbook for commerce that ruin it all	01:31
@preaction	i'd post to the webgui dev list, there might be a better discussion there	01:32
zylopfa	yeah i guess	01:32
@preaction	perhaps adding your patch to remove that line	01:32
zylopfa	maybe its there for another reason	01:32
zylopfa	but i dont realy k now	01:32
zylopfa	Or else i will override the processTransaction in my module	01:34
zylopfa	so i hardcode what i want it to do	01:34
zylopfa	preaction, i just read more of the code	01:38
zylopfa	and everything in the payment system is build to take user information from users logged in currently	01:39
zylopfa	It never anticipated that the user might be Visitor, because thats how it is with callback	01:39
@preaction	you'll have to put the Transaction in some sort of "Pending" state then	01:43
@preaction	is that an option?	01:43
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zylopfa	I think i got is soon	01:50
zylopfa	FUCKING EEHHH	01:51
zylopfa	preaction, I got it!!	01:51
zylopfa	This is awesome	01:52
zylopfa	Basically i made a new addressbook object, providing the addressbook id	01:52
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zylopfa	and then i made a new adress object providing the address id	01:52
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wgGuest43	sup	04:48
wgGuest43	anyone here?	04:49
@khenn	sorta	04:50
@khenn	=)	04:50
wgGuest43	:)	04:52
wgGuest43	so i been looking around the site for this question i have and havn't found anything, so i thought i would try the chat	04:52
wgGuest43	where is my question, is there any progress going on for forum intergration?	04:52
@khenn	what do you mean?	04:52
@khenn	integration with what?	04:53
wgGuest43	for example phpbb and IPB intergration. or at least when memebers register, they get registered on the forum aswell.	04:53
wgGuest43	actually khenn, can you tell me what irc server this is please. i would like to join with my irc client :P	04:53
@khenn	there isn't anything at the moment. We've looked into PHPBB before and there really aren't any integration points or webservices that would enable us to incorporate Single Signon	04:54
@khenn	this is freenode.net	04:54
@khenn	#WebGUI	04:54
@khenn	irc.freenode.net	04:54
wgGuest43	awesome	04:54
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Syphosis	much better	04:55
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Syphosis	Do you know why there is isn't and intergration? because of the way the user groups are and stuff?	04:55
@khenn	everything is different	04:56
@khenn	we'd need some sort of web service or API integration points	04:56
@khenn	PHP BB uses mysql so migration is a possibility	04:57
Syphosis	IPB does aswell :D	04:57
@khenn	so there you go	04:57
@khenn	both can be migrated	04:57
Syphosis	I know for other CMS'es, the intergration part all it does is add the username and password for the forum, and everything else is different	04:57
Syphosis	like user groups and what not..	04:57
@khenn	hmm	04:58
Syphosis	so you have different user groups for the site, and the forums. which would be ok for me. but its not full intergration :P which is really not what i am looking for	04:58
@khenn	I don't really know enough about them to be able to say how it could be done	04:58
@khenn	or if it can be done	04:58
@khenn	SSO might be able to be done with cookies	04:59
@khenn	and storing info in the user profile	04:59
@preaction	you could also do WebGUI auth with another forum system if you want. or write an auth module to integrate WebGUI's auth with the other system	05:25
@preaction	i think the reason people don't is because it's easier to just migrate the content instead of trying to integrate the two systems	05:27
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elnino	anyone use the newsletter feature here?	07:41
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CIA-39	WebGUI: frank * r7864 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): final changes. Ready to migrate	09:55
CIA-39	WebGUI: frank * r7865 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/GetHelpDeskMail.pm: Fixed a syntax error	09:55
CIA-39	WebGUI: frank * r7866 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HelpDesk.pm: fixed a problem with install script	09:55
CIA-39	WebGUI: frank * r7867 /experimental/HelpDesk/sbin/migrateHelpDesk.pl: commented out everything but RFEs which we are testing	09:55
CIA-39	WebGUI: frank * r7868 /experimental/HelpDesk/sbin/migrateHelpDesk.pl: alumni bugs, rfes, medintellibase	09:55
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:54
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+crythias	anyone here?	18:08
+crythias	perldreamer rizen tavisto bopbop apeiron haarg	18:14
@Haarg	crythias crythias crythias crythias crythias	18:14
@rizen	just us chickens	18:14
+crythias	hi	18:14
@rizen	welcome, long time no see	18:14
@tavisto	Who dares disturb the wizard!	18:14
+crythias	how do I get a search in a header to not return results but return results in a page?	18:15
+crythias	that is, a search box...	18:15
@rizen	what version of webgui are you using?	18:15
+crythias	ooh. ... I knew I shoulda known that	18:15
@tavisto	hah.. rookie.	18:15
+crythias	7.5.21	18:16
@rizen	7.5 and above has a "Use Containers?" switch	18:16
@rizen	in the properties tab of the search asset	18:16
+crythias	checking.	18:17
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+crythias	hrm.	18:18
+crythias	not working.	18:18
@rizen	maybe i don't understand what you are asking then	18:18
+crythias	because I'm using asset proxy for the search window.	18:18
@rizen	could you rephrase the question	18:18
+crythias	I have header ... it has the search box in it, but the search results are coming in the header.	18:19
@rizen	are you saying you want the search results to appear in the header of your site?	18:19
@rizen	oh, you're saying you don't want them up there	18:19
@rizen	and they are	18:19
+crythias	I don't want that. I goofed using an asset proxy	18:19
@rizen	right, you should just copy the HTML of the search form	18:19
@rizen	into your header	18:19
@rizen	rather than using an asset proxy	18:19
+crythias	yep. that makes sense to me.	18:20
+crythias	sounds like something I've told someone back in the day.	18:20
@rizen	assetproxy copies functionality	18:21
@rizen	you just want to copy the form	18:21
@rizen	not the functionality	18:21
+crythias	yeo	18:22
+crythias	yep	18:22
+crythias	dude. sweet	18:22
@rizen	what's mine say? DUDE	18:23
@rizen	what's mine say? SWEET	18:23
+crythias	What about mine?	18:23
+crythias	SUHWEET	18:23
@rizen	DUDE	18:23
@rizen	so crythias, does this mean you're back in the game?	18:24
+perlDreamer	nice app, khenn_	18:24
+perlDreamer	Bug tracker looks cool	18:24
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@khenn	thanks	18:26
+crythias	am I back in the game? I could be. I chose WG for our new site ... finally got the people involved.	18:28
+crythias	it was this or html... I'm like... you're kidding, right?	18:29
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zylopfa	Greetings	19:00
dionak	hey zylopfa, did you get your payment gateway finished?	19:01
zylopfa	I am working on it	19:03
zylopfa	I found out its not good api wise	19:03
zylopfa	i have to do it the other way around	19:03
zylopfa	So i have to make the transaction first	19:03
zylopfa	and then hand over to the gateway	19:03
zylopfa	and then get callback from the gw	19:03
zylopfa	and finish it like that	19:04
zylopfa	The shipping system is reliant on the user logged in	19:04
zylopfa	so it cant handle callback	19:04
zylopfa	when the callback server is Visitor	19:04
zylopfa	as they always are when its Callback	19:05
@rizen	you can log the user in on the callback too	19:07
@rizen	you have the cart id	19:07
@rizen	which means you have the session id	19:07
@rizen	which means you have the user id	19:07
zylopfa	But rizen	19:07
zylopfa	isnt session made for the callback?	19:07
@rizen	no if ands or buts, go directly to bed without dinner	19:07
zylopfa	i mean a session is for all things initiating connection	19:08
zylopfa	and the gateway does that	19:08
zylopfa	but yes i have the cartid	19:08
zylopfa	how can i make a session for the callback then?	19:08
zylopfa	I am pretty noob at this but i looked at it for 10 hours straight yesterday	19:09
@rizen	my $newSession = WebGUI::Session->open($webguiRoot, $session->config->getFilename, $session->request, $session->server, $sessionId);	19:11
zylopfa	and Rizen how can i get the sessionid?	19:11
@rizen	$cart->get('sessionId');	19:12
zylopfa	sick	19:12
zylopfa	I need to ask oyu	19:12
zylopfa	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m25379da7	19:12
@rizen	$session->server->dir_config('WebguiRoot')	19:12
zylopfa	This is my current none working	19:12
@rizen	is how you get webgui root	19:12
zylopfa	You are very kind	19:13
@rizen	you are the first person on earth to think or say that. =)	19:13
zylopfa	haah you are kidding	19:13
@rizen	and you won't think it for long	19:13
zylopfa	yeah I will	19:14
zylopfa	you saved my year	19:14
dionak	oh, i like the bug tracker interface on webgui.org	19:14
dionak	very nice	19:14
@rizen	just ask dionak	19:14
+perlDreamer	khenn++	19:14
@rizen	or Haarg	19:14
@rizen	or perlDreamer	19:14
+perlDreamer	I think you rock, rizen-ator.	19:14
@rizen	damn it pd, you're not helping my cause. =)	19:14
+perlDreamer	A running mate always supports his primary candidate	19:15
@rizen	true	19:15
@rizen	so are we winning?	19:15
@rizen	i haven't checked the polls	19:15
+perlDreamer	Uh, no. We're not winning	19:15
+perlDreamer	But we have the moral high ground	19:15
@rizen	well at least we make this look good	19:16
dionak	rizen's a little grumpy at times, but rock'n nonetheless	19:16
zylopfa	perlDreamer, what are you winning?	19:16
@khenn	I'm waiting for something to be assigned to someone on the new request tracker	19:16
+perlDreamer	rizen and I are running for office	19:16
zylopfa	imba	19:16
@khenn	someone other than me =)	19:16
+perlDreamer	Actually, rizen's running for office and dragging me along for the ride.	19:17
@khenn	what office is rizen running for?	19:17
+perlDreamer	President of the United States of America	19:17
@khenn	erm yeah	19:17
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+MrHairgrease	hi	19:19
@khenn	hi	19:19
+MrHairgrease	is it possible with webgui to let it set multi domain cookies?	19:19
+MrHairgrease	so if a.mydomain.com and b.mydomain.com are running the same wg	19:20
+MrHairgrease	if you are logged on to a.mydomain.com you should also automatically be logged on to b.mydomain.com	19:20
@rizen	yes	19:21
+MrHairgrease	it has to do with the domain property of the cookie	19:21
@rizen	you set it in the config file	19:21
+MrHairgrease	so if i could set that	19:21
+MrHairgrease	ah	19:21
+MrHairgrease	thanks	19:21
@rizen	just set it to .mydomain.com	19:21
+MrHairgrease	yeah	19:21
+MrHairgrease	i knew taht part	19:21
+MrHairgrease	but not weher to set it	19:21
+MrHairgrease	mucho gracias	19:21
zylopfa	rizen,	19:22
zylopfa	when i make the $card object in the callback	19:22
zylopfa	my $cart = WebGUI::Shop::Cart->new($session,"$cartid");	19:23
zylopfa	this is what i do	19:23
zylopfa	but will the card not be attacked to the old session?	19:23
zylopfa	attacked even	19:23
zylopfa	shit attached	19:23
@rizen	yeah, but that's why you use $newSession	19:23
zylopfa	true	19:23
zylopfa	but nresession needs $cart	19:23
@rizen	you will have to instanciate the cart twice	19:24
zylopfa	to get the session id	19:24
zylopfa	ohh	19:24
@rizen	yup	19:24
zylopfa	So I also have to make a new PayDriver instance?	19:26
zylopfa	cause i guess the old in the callback method is attacked to the old $session	19:26
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@rizen	either that or wait until tomorrow	19:37
@rizen	i'll implement that patch we talked about regarding transactions later today	19:39
@rizen	and then you can take a look at that and see if it helps you	19:39
@rizen	if it does you can apply it to your site	19:39
@rizen	and it will be built in to 7.6	19:39
zylopfa	Awesome rizen, thanks a lot for your help	19:41
@rizen	you are contributing this plugin back to the bazaar after all this, right?	19:41
@rizen	so i'm not just helping you	19:41
@rizen	i'm helping the community	19:41
@rizen	maybe we can start a Danish WebGUI Community out of this	19:42
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zylopfa	yeah ofcourse rizen	19:43
zylopfa	And I will make more plugins for other providers: stormpay, paypal (if not made) and others that might be needed	19:43
+perlDreamer	Haarg, the new syntaxCheck.t test fails unless it's run from the sbin directory.	19:57
+perlDreamer	None of the scripts check as clean.	19:57
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+MrHairgrease	Time for the webgui-world-domination-campaign team to come into action: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/10/whats-the-state-of-perl-web-frameworks.html	19:59
@tavisto	MrHairgrease, what's up my brotha from a dutch motha?	20:02
+MrHairgrease	I have become a worker	20:03
+MrHairgrease	my life is over...	20:03
+MrHairgrease	but than again	20:03
wgGuest09	does anyone know who SUBE is? I'd like to talk with him.	20:04
wgGuest09	or how to message him	20:04
+MrHairgrease	wgGuest09: never heard of that nick	20:05
+MrHairgrease	where did you find him?	20:05
wgGuest09	support	20:05
+MrHairgrease	on the webgui.org site?	20:05
wgGuest09	yes	20:05
wgGuest09	he's posted in support	20:05
+MrHairgrease	maybe you could send him a message	20:05
wgGuest09	I didn't know if he was active here or not.	20:05
+MrHairgrease	not sure how you do that within webgui	20:05
+MrHairgrease	not on irc	20:05
wgGuest09	I'm not sure how to message him from WebGUI. His profile is private.	20:06
wgGuest09	thanks anyway	20:06
+MrHairgrease	ok	20:07
+perlDreamer	Sube works with Susanb for that university in California	20:08
+perlDreamer	no, wait a sec	20:09
+perlDreamer	that's Some	20:09
* perlDreamer is confused		20:09
zylopfa	Where can i vote for webui?	20:11
zylopfa	on that site	20:11
@tavisto	wgGuest09, Sube is a she and we're working with her to fix her new shop.	20:11
@tavisto	MrHairGrease, how about this link for Perl Frameworks: http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?web_frameworks	20:12
wgGuest09	we had a bunch of $5 transactions go through our site also	20:12
+MrHairgrease	tavisto: nice	20:12
@tavisto	Did you post it on the support board? Sube has a bunch of unrelated problems due to improper setup I believe. So, they aren't going to be a good resource at this point	20:13
@tavisto	yeah Rizen had me add WebGUI to the list awhile back	20:13
+MrHairgrease	zylopfa: you can't vote	20:13
wgGuest09	no I didn't post it I wasn't sure it was WebGUI related	20:13
+MrHairgrease	but you _Can_ tell how great webgui is	20:13
@tavisto	Are the $5 transactions attached to a specific account?	20:13
@tavisto	I definitely think you should post it if given that this is the 2nd report of it happening.	20:14
wgGuest09	I don't think it came through our sites. The IP was Malaysia and the card numbers were different.	20:14
@tavisto	Could be a security issue here so if you could post it with as much detail as possible, that would be excellent.	20:14
wgGuest09	okay, will do. How do I change to my username in this chat? I'm not used to irc	20:15
+perlDreamer	say "/nick whoIAm"	20:16
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+perlDreamer	Jodie?	20:16
gama	Joby	20:16
gama	there is a Jodie, but I'm not here	20:17
gama	her	20:17
+perlDreamer	well, when you all say "gama", it makes guessing hard :)	20:17
zylopfa	Webgui is just sick good, after i read the "WebGUI developers guide" i am beginning to understand what it can do	20:17
zylopfa	= all	20:17
@tavisto	Please be sure to include how many transactions have been processed, whether or not they were processed by your merchant account, and anything else you think that might be useful. The more I think about this the more nervous I am. Do you even have any $5 products available for purchase?	20:17
* perlDreamer is still looking for that yayhoo from Donorware who posts security fixes publicly and then says we can ask him for a patch.		20:18
zylopfa	Good Sirs and Mamm's	20:19
zylopfa	I have a small question	20:19
+perlDreamer	Bring it on, zylopfa	20:19
zylopfa	my $configFile = $session->config->getFilename;	20:19
+perlDreamer	yes	20:19
zylopfa	This is wrong, i found out	20:19
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, you sure about that?	20:20
+perlDreamer	That method is inherited from Config::JSON, and is part of the nightly test suite.	20:21
zylopfa	I am printing the variable in error handler	20:21
zylopfa	and it shows 0	20:21
zylopfa	I got it to show the $webguiRoot	20:21
gama	no $5 items	20:21
zylopfa	but blank strinkg	20:21
zylopfa	shit	20:22
zylopfa	never mind	20:22
zylopfa	I am blind as a worm	20:22
+MrHairgrease	who isn't	20:22
zylopfa	Sorry perlDreamer and others	20:22
+perlDreamer	Not a problem, zylopfa.	20:22
+perlDreamer	We all do that :)	20:22
+MrHairgrease	nowedon't!! =)	20:22
+perlDreamer	Well, everyone except MrHairgrease	20:22
+MrHairgrease	Koen makes my mistakes	20:23
+MrHairgrease	by definition =)	20:23
+perlDreamer	That _would_ explain a few things	20:23
+MrHairgrease	it probably would	20:23
zylopfa	perlDreamer, I am gonna recreate the old $session in my callback	20:23
gama	actually we don't have any of our EMS available to the public at this time	20:24
zylopfa	so i can get access to all the things made in that.like the cart	20:24
+perlDreamer	I backlogged and saw you and rizeneatslunch talk about that	20:24
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zylopfa	I am moving forward slowly!!	20:25
zylopfa	User for this session: zylopfa, i got out on the log, so i got the session created now	20:26
@tavisto	gama that's very strange and I would include that as well	20:35
@tavisto	I'm beginning to wonder if this is trickery from the Dutch team in an attempt to raise funds for JT's campaign.	20:36
@tavisto	what is your position on that claim perlDreamer? I need a statement from your campaign please.	20:37
+perlDreamer	Our team is categorically opposed to the illegal raising of campaign funds.	20:38
+perlDreamer	In fact, receiving large amounts of funds is counter to good sense, and American law	20:38
@tavisto	illegal in the US or in Europe?	20:38
+perlDreamer	Fortunately, this funding is coming from Europe...	20:38
@tavisto	exactly.	20:38
+perlDreamer	arg, Haarg	20:39
zylopfa	perlDreamer, its going forward now	20:49
zylopfa	Now i have a session object with the user making order + the identical cart object he made	20:49
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@rizen	zylopfa: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision?rev=7873	21:06
zylopfa	haha imba rizen :D thanks a lot	21:08
@rizen	imba?	21:08
zylopfa	means awesome :D	21:08
@rizen	ok	21:08
CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7872 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/ViewCart.pm):	21:17
CIA-39	WebGUI: - Removed cart icon from ViewCart macro.	21:17
CIA-39	WebGUI: - Updated WebGUI::Shop::PayDriver::processTransaction() to accept a	21:17
CIA-39	WebGUI: transaction as a param.	21:17
CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7873 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm:	21:17
CIA-39	WebGUI: - Updated WebGUI::Shop::PayDriver::processTransaction() to accept a	21:17
CIA-39	WebGUI: transaction as a param.	21:17
zylopfa	This is getting corny now	21:27
zylopfa	I am making a new PayDriver instance in my callback function	21:28
zylopfa	my $paydriver = WebGUI::Shop::PayDriver->new($newSession,"$gwid");	21:28
zylopfa	But now it say i need to override processPayment	21:29
zylopfa	ohh wait	21:29
zylopfa	rizen, perlDreamer !!!	21:31
zylopfa	I DID IT !!	21:31
@rizen	wahoo!	21:32
@rizen	it works?	21:32
zylopfa	its sick	21:32
@rizen	did you use the new patch i just provided, or did you go the old way?	21:32
zylopfa	I did the old way!	21:33
zylopfa	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m77abe61	21:33
zylopfa	rizen, the above is my final callback script	21:34
zylopfa	Ok its not finished but i got the mechanics to work, so it will work with me	21:34
zylopfa	I need to place some checks ofc to see if the payment is legit	21:34
zylopfa	This is sick good, I have been trying to work it out for days now	21:35
zylopfa	But the best thing is I learn alot about webgui doing it	21:35
@rizen	you know, since you are passing the session id, you need not pass the cart id	21:36
@rizen	webgui can figure out the cart from the session	21:36
zylopfa	It can?	21:36
@rizen	indeed	21:36
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@rizen	newBySession()	21:36
@rizen	that's what it does	21:36
zylopfa	so i do $cart = $newSession->newBySession(something)	21:38
@rizen	no	21:38
zylopfa	naaa $cart = WebGUI::Shop::Cart->newBySession($newSession)	21:38
@rizen	yup	21:38
zylopfa	Webgui is sick	21:39
zylopfa	and thanks a lot rizen , you saved the year	21:39
@rizen	the year isn't over yet	21:39
zylopfa	btw. do you know about the paypal driver?	21:39
@rizen	no	21:39
zylopfa	I can easy make it now, i have before made it from normal perl	21:39
@rizen	what should i know about it?	21:39
zylopfa	and now i know how to integrate it	21:39
@rizen	oh, very cool, so are you interested in doing it?	21:39
zylopfa	yeah	21:40
@rizen	if you are, i'd love to see it	21:40
zylopfa	Awesome	21:40
zylopfa	I am	21:40
@rizen	if the work is quality enough we'd accept it into the core	21:40
zylopfa	Sweet, I will do my best and more	21:40
@rizen	Do you think you can have it done by November 19th?	21:40
zylopfa	yeah i think thats possible	21:40
@rizen	that is the feature freeze date for WebGUI 7.6	21:40
zylopfa	ahhh	21:40
@rizen	otherwise it will have to wait for WebGUI 7.7	21:40
zylopfa	I will get it done till then	21:41
@rizen	sweet	21:41
@rizen	i know lots of users will appreciate it	21:41
zylopfa	also with recurring and all that	21:41
@rizen	cool	21:41
+perlDreamer	rizen, some guy named JT is making wiki pages	21:53
@rizen	yeah, he's an asshole	21:53
+perlDreamer	and you were saying earlier that you're the worst guy in here	21:53
@rizen	what's he doing trying to help people	21:54
@rizen	i still submit i'm the worst guy in here	21:55
@rizen	this JT character will not take the title from me	21:56
@rizen	he's not nearly bitchy enough	21:56
+perlDreamer	give him some time, I'm sure he'll show his true colors	21:56
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@rizen	perlDreamer, did you know that crythias is back in the game?	22:30
+perlDreamer	I heard that	22:34
@rizen	that is just SUPER cool	22:34
topsub	I am writing a test for a custom macro and i am seeing some weird Results, wondering if i could get another eye on it..	22:38
+perlDreamer	sure	22:38
topsub	test: http://pastebin.com/m56264fc4 macro: http://pastebin.com/m2c6efcf4	22:39
topsub	i am expecting results to come back	22:39
topsub	my ul to have 1 entry in it	22:40
topsub	but if i run it say 5 times	22:40
topsub	sometimes i see something	22:40
topsub	other times i don't	22:40
topsub	its like when i am trying to create an asset on the fly it doesn't work randomly	22:40
topsub	or something	22:40
+perlDreamer	well, about the test	22:45
+perlDreamer	you shouldn't have to manually include the test library, or the WebGUI library	22:45
+perlDreamer	but that's a nitpick that I'll come back to	22:46
topsub	hehe k	22:46
topsub	Be gentle i am new	22:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7874 /WebGUI/t/Session/Url.t: Update test to track code change for escaping requested URLs.	22:47
+perlDreamer	The only two tests that fail are the last two?	22:47
topsub	the last one is the one i need help with	22:47
topsub	it "passes"	22:47
+perlDreamer	the one that says "unlike $output	22:47
topsub	yes	22:47
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+perlDreamer	Test looks fine to me.	22:47
topsub	when iam printing the output statement	22:47
+perlDreamer	ah	22:48
topsub	there are times when it comes back <ul id="webinarList"></ul>	22:48
+perlDreamer	for tests, in general you want to use diag, not print	22:48
topsub	but i am expecting <ul id="webinarList"><li>Test Webinar - <a href="/testwebinar?func=edit;">Edit Webinar</a><br/><a href="/testwebinar?func=editVariant&vid=3W6aCIHk3iH6EvNOivgOsQ">Edit Event - N/a</a></li></ul>	22:48
topsub	i ran this test back to back 5 times	22:48
Bernd_	Hey!	22:48
topsub	4 of them had an empty ul	22:48
Bernd_	Who of you guys has been working on the new request tracker?	22:48
topsub	1 of them had what i just posted with a populated UL	22:48
Bernd_	rizen, was that you?	22:49
Bernd_	Great work!	22:50
Bernd_	Except for one thing...	22:50
+perlDreamer	topsub, I would suggest adding a test for _getWebinars to make sure _it_ is doing the right thing.	22:51
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Bernd_	It seems that e-mails do not contain the message text when a new request is created.	22:51
+perlDreamer	and I think your group by clause has to be a valid field	22:51
+perlDreamer	liek w.assetId or ad.assetId	22:51
@rizen	Bernd_ it was khenn and now Haarg	22:51
Bernd_	Alright, thanks!	22:51
Bernd_	Haarg, are you online?	22:51
@rizen	regardless though	22:52
@rizen	this is not an RFE list	22:52
@rizen	if you want something, put it in the RFE list	22:52
Bernd_	Ok, I apologize.	22:52
@Haarg	yeah, i saw that issue Bernd_	22:52
+perlDreamer	Haarg, does the escaped URL fix need to be backported to 7.5?	22:52
Bernd_	I thought that it simply might have been forgotten.	22:52
topsub	pd, i know on line 65 i put a print statement trying to print all the assetId's and titles of the webinars. and sometimes it would have both my test assets i added or just one.	22:52
Bernd_	Shall I submit an RFE on this?	22:53
topsub	pd, i will write a test for that getWebinars and see thanks	22:53
Bernd_	Or did you plan to fix this anyway?	22:53
@Haarg	perlDreamer, yes	22:53
@Haarg	just a sec though	22:53
+perlDreamer	I'm backporting test fixes, so if you want, I can do it too	22:53
@khenn	I noticed that too	22:53
+perlDreamer	just let me know when it is okay	22:53
@khenn	Haarg - it's probably being filtered out of the template	22:54
topsub	pd, do i need to create a version tag? Did you see my little bit of code were i was creating one. But i am kinda confused ifi need to or not.	22:59
+perlDreamer	strictly speaking, if you're using the same session and user, you do not	23:00
topsub	Seems by purging what i create under that version tag it removes it.	23:00
+perlDreamer	but it makes clean-up quick and easy if you have lots of things to clean up	23:00
+perlDreamer	yes, when you nuke a version tag is does the same as $asset->purge	23:00
topsub	right now by running this test i am running it as a visitor right?	23:00
+perlDreamer	yes	23:00
topsub	but i do alot of editing and altering assets and it creates a lot of entries its best to create a version tag so its eaiser to clean up vs trying to purge 15 assets	23:01
+perlDreamer	++laziness	23:01
topsub	lol k	23:01
+perlDreamer	altering assets is fine, you don't need a version tag for calling $asset->update	23:01
+perlDreamer	just creation	23:02
topsub	i remember i wrote an import script for PDFs and didn't use a version tag the first time. and had like 50 entries inside a version tag.	23:02
topsub	that left open and i didn't know until i ran it about 15 times	23:02
+perlDreamer	oy	23:02
topsub	i learned the hard way that day	23:02
topsub	i quickly put that in a version tag	23:02
topsub	because if one thing messed up i tried to remove everything before it	23:03
+perlDreamer	utility scripts should probably always use version tags	23:03
topsub	putting that in a version tag made it easy as pie	23:03
+perlDreamer	but tests don't have to	23:03
topsub	Oh i learned that.. lol	23:03
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zylopfa	I need someone to tell me how to make a cartid "q_ajRrw2jn57NjSigmfKBQ" into only alfanumeric a-zA-Z0-9	23:22
zylopfa	and still keeping it unique	23:22
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, that's not possible	23:22
zylopfa	damn	23:22
+perlDreamer	how about encoding the cartid to make it URL safe?	23:22
zylopfa	The lame gateway will not accept other than a-zA-Z0-9 in the field for the order number	23:23
zylopfa	perlDreamer, good idea, will it still keep its uniqueness?	23:23
zylopfa	well i guess it will	23:23
+perlDreamer	URL encoding will use things like %2F	23:23
zylopfa	that wont work	23:23
+perlDreamer	yeah	23:23
zylopfa	Its lame the gateway check for nummeric	23:23
zylopfa	i mean it has only alfanumeric allowed in that field	23:24
zylopfa	perlDreamer, is there a quick function for it in webgui?	23:24
+perlDreamer	on phone, bb soon	23:24
@rizen	zylopfa	23:26
@rizen	you can turn it into a hex	23:26
@rizen	it will be longer	23:26
@rizen	but it will be unique and alphanumeric only	23:26
zylopfa	good idea rizen also	23:26
zylopfa	thats what i need	23:26
zylopfa	is that pack i use?	23:26
@rizen	$session->id->toHex($guid)	23:29
@rizen	or better yet	23:29
@rizen	just use MIME::Base64	23:29
@rizen	nevermind	23:30
@rizen	that won't work either	23:30
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zylopfa	$cartid =~ s/(.\|\n)/sprintf("%02lx", ord $1)/eg;	23:32
zylopfa	But i think the toHex is nicer	23:33
zylopfa	why not use it when its there	23:33
@rizen	cuz there's no way to convert it back	23:33
@rizen	at least not built in	23:33
zylopfa	yeah but the $session->id->toHex($guid)	23:34
@Haarg	$guid = MIME::Base64::encode_base64(pack "H*", $hex); $guid =~ tr{+/}{_-}; $guid =~ s/=+$//;	23:41
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zylopfa	Insane, thanks a lot	23:42
zylopfa	I will use the toHex($guid) though	23:42
zylopfa	its not important the number	23:42
zylopfa	its just required by the gateway	23:43
zylopfa	Internal in webgui it takes care of transaction numbers	23:43
@Haarg	you don't need to translate it back?	23:43
@Haarg	toHex is what i would recommend, that thing i pasted is to translate from hex	23:43
@Haarg	we don't currently have a function for that	23:44
zylopfa	i can just do: $cartidHEXed == toHex('idbackfromgw')	23:44
zylopfa	to check if i get correct number back from the gw	23:44
zylopfa	sorry that is: toHex($cartid) == $hexedidbackfromgw	23:45
@Haarg	well, if you are sending it to them in hex, you wouldn't want to hex it again when it came back from them	23:45
@Haarg	yeah	23:45
@Haarg	well, eq not ==	23:45
zylopfa	yeah eq	23:45
@Haarg	that depends on you already having the cart id though	23:45
zylopfa	I have the cartid	23:46
zylopfa	but the "OrderNumber" field wont take anything but alphanumeric not including - _	23:46
zylopfa	so i use the "reference" field to pass the session id to gw	23:47
zylopfa	it can have all sorts	23:47
@Haarg	is this for recurring transactions?	23:48
zylopfa	yeah	23:50
@Haarg	i don't think you can use the session then	23:50
@Haarg	sessions expire	23:50
@Haarg	among other things	23:50
zylopfa	Haarg, there is a problem, the OrderNR must only be 20 chars	23:50
zylopfa	No this is not for recurrring	23:50
zylopfa	the thing i do now but it will be made recurring	23:50
zylopfa	but thats in another function	23:51
@Haarg	in what context is the result coming back from the gateway then?	23:51
zylopfa	Damn i just need how i get a number that wont be the same in any post, and will be 20 chars max	23:51
@Haarg	well, you can just make one up then	23:52
@Haarg	take a guid, filter out + and /	23:52
zylopfa	hmm yeah Haarg but wont it be possible to get the same one 2 times?	23:53
zylopfa	if i filter some _-+ out and place it with something else	23:53
+perlDreamer	that's a 1-way transformation	23:53
+perlDreamer	no way to reverse map it	23:53
+perlDreamer	unless...	23:53
+perlDreamer	unless you build a translation table	23:54
+perlDreamer	in the db	23:54
zylopfa	yeah	23:54
+perlDreamer	so that you can look them up on return	23:54
@Haarg	if you need to reverse it you would need a lookup table yeah	23:54
@Haarg	guids are unique enough that losing a little precision will be ok	23:54
zylopfa	The Cartid is good to use, cause in recurring i can look up the transaction id	23:54
+perlDreamer	Haarg, okay to commit backported url encoding fixes and tests?	23:54
@Haarg	yeah	23:54
zylopfa	i cant give the gateway the transaction id cause i dont have it before the thing is over	23:55
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, all IDs in WebGUI are 22 character	23:55
zylopfa	perlDreamer, yeah but the gateway wont take chars like -,_ in the ordernr	23:55
zylopfa	Well its actually no matter what the number is as it will be put with the transaction when its done	23:56
zylopfa	just a 1 to 10000000 will be ok	23:56
zylopfa	but i need to be sure its a unique number	23:57
zylopfa	or string	23:57
+perlDreamer	that's why I think you should build a translation table	23:57
+perlDreamer	go from something that will not be unique to use for talking to the remote server	23:57
+perlDreamer	and then use it to look up the real thing locally	23:58
+perlDreamer	and double check that no one tries to spoof you	23:58
@Haarg	for now, you can just use a guid with /+ removed and cut to 20 characters	23:58
@Haarg	when you want recurring, you'll probably need a translation table like perlDreamer is saying	23:58
zylopfa	Haarg, its no problem with recurring	23:58
zylopfa	cause this happens	23:58
zylopfa	GW-send OrderNumber -> callbackfunction	23:59
zylopfa	and i look up ordernumber in the transaction table	23:59
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zylopfa	transactionCode is the field i use for it	00:00
zylopfa	in the transaction table	00:00
zylopfa	The GUID's are A-Za-z0-9 and -_ ?	00:01
@Haarg	yes	00:01
@Haarg	case sensitive	00:02
zylopfa	so its 2 characters i need to substitute with something else	00:02
@Haarg	or just cut out	00:02
+perlDreamer	Yes, and you have to clip it to 20 characters	00:02
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zylopfa	Curse this gateway	00:04
zylopfa	perlDreamer, i can use the orderNumber in transaction and increment the biggest int in it with 1 to get a new	00:07
zylopfa	but if there are 100000 ordering at the same time it wont work	00:07
zylopfa	as they might get the same ordernr	00:07
zylopfa	I can also use the perl time() function but thats only 1 pr second	00:15
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eddy	Hello!	00:15
zylopfa	Hello eddy	00:15
eddy	:)	00:15
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+perlDreamer	zylopfa, and order number is per user, so it can clash	00:17
+perlDreamer	uh oh	00:17
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eddy	help	00:18
eddy	sorry	00:18
+perlDreamer	Ask away, eddy	00:18
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7875 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Session/Url.t: Backporting URL encoding XSS fix and updated tests.	00:19
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+perlDreamer	I would like to assign myself a Shop bug.	00:40
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7876 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm t/Session/Http.t): Update test to work with XSS fix.	00:49
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+perlDreamer	tavisto, what is a nice car?	01:22
@tavisto	uh...	01:31
@tavisto	nice car for what?	01:32
+perlDreamer	impressing people and driving fast	01:32
@tavisto	I would go with the 2009 Turbocharged Range Rover or a Cadillac XLR-V	01:33
+perlDreamer	How much does it cost?	01:33
+perlDreamer	and what does it weigh?	01:34
@tavisto	Turbo range is about 130k and XLR-V is probably 90k	01:34
@tavisto	range is 6500 curb weight, xlr prob 3k	01:34
@tavisto	the other vehicle that is nice is the Cadillac Escalade Hybrid.. Ultimate in luxury and green tech for big suvs	01:35
+perlDreamer	Is something up with webgui.org? It seems dog slow	01:43
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+perlDreamer	Would a kind PB person please close a bug for me?	01:58
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/8766	01:58
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CIA-39	WebGUI: Fix a bug with shipping costs as a percentage of weight. Build	02:00
CIA-39	WebGUI: a test to test the fix.	02:00
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7879 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport fix for percent of shipping weight fix with test	02:00
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7881 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: fix an i18n typo. Sorry Bart	02:36
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elnino	preaction, or perldreamer, which one of you was I talking to about encoding and utf-8?	05:03
@preaction	probably me	05:03
elnino	I have another question =)	05:04
elnino	I'm in the middle of fixing some translated pages.	05:04
elnino	and they are turning up well now, however, the title and menutitle are	05:04
elnino	displaying as jibberish in the asset manager.	05:04
elnino	that totally confuses me since the pages show up fine.	05:05
elnino	is it because the asset manager meta content type isn't utf-8?	05:05
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elnino	opps. I just looked, the content type is utf-9. maybe because the lang isn't defined?	05:06
elnino	or defined as english?	05:06
@preaction	language doesn't enter into it, just character encoding	05:07
elnino	basically in asset manager, I'm viewing 20 different languages in one page. so maybe that isn't possible.	05:07
elnino	(20 different menu titles in 20 different languages)	05:07
elnino	hmm. I just realized tha tthe messed up languages are RTL as opposed to LTR,	05:08
elnino	but before the upgrade, it looked like they were displaying right.	05:09
@preaction	it's possible. are you using the right RTL and LTR markers?	05:09
elnino	but now the characters aren't even close to what they are on the html page.	05:09
@preaction	that might be a different issue though	05:09
elnino	I took care of the "RTL" in the pagelayout template. I didn't specify RTL in the menu title or title fields.	05:10
@preaction	there are special zero-width RTL and LTR markers. I suspect they would have to be put in the appropriate places in the title / menutitle	05:12
@preaction	that may work, i don't know	05:12
elnino	hmm. interesting. ok. I'm just copying from notepad.	05:13
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+perlDreamer	any luck with the macro, topsub?	06:18
topsub	Ya, it seems to work now once i fixed that SQL	06:18
+perlDreamer	sweet	06:18
topsub	i might end up writing that test for the getWebinars	06:18
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+perlDreamer	that's a good idea	06:18
+perlDreamer	I got bit by my own rule today	06:19
topsub	hehe how so?	06:19
+perlDreamer	Didn't write a test for the FlatRate pay driver	06:19
+perlDreamer	and it had a bug	06:19
+perlDreamer	in the untested part	06:19
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CIA-39	WebGUI: More guardbanding tests for root.	07:22
CIA-39	WebGUI: No more dumping files into /	07:22
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patspam	ooooh	07:26
patspam	!	07:26
* patspam just discovered inputEx		07:26
+perlDreamer	??	07:26
patspam	a form element library for YUI	07:26
patspam	for situations where you don't want to build form elements from html markup	07:26
patspam	e.g. where you don't need graceful degredation	07:27
patspam	http://javascript.neyric.com/inputex/	07:27
+perlDreamer	I see. Like the Calendar	07:27
patspam	yeah. I've been missing that since i switched from ExtJS to YUI for wg dev	07:27
patspam	YUI 3.x looks pretty sweet too, looking forward to the anticipated beta release at the end of the year	07:28
patspam	much less verbose for a start ;)	07:28
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wgGuest53	Hi, for a new WRE-server, whats the best bet? Centos 4 or 5? (Besides debian and ubuntu)	12:00
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+MrHairgrease	ah	17:14
+MrHairgrease	rizen	17:14
@rizen	howdy	17:14
+MrHairgrease	if asset duplication does not duplicat its keywords	17:14
+MrHairgrease	is that a bug or a feature	17:14
+MrHairgrease	i hope it's a bug	17:14
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@rizen	yeah it should	17:25
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:26
+MrHairgrease	good	17:26
@rizen	keywords are also not copied by packages and they should be	17:26
+MrHairgrease	i have a patch already	17:26
@rizen	feel free to apply	17:26
@rizen	there's a new 7.5 release out tomorrow	17:26
+MrHairgrease	hmm	17:26
+MrHairgrease	the problem is that I'm in the middle of a project running on an older svn rev	17:26
+MrHairgrease	the patch is easy though	17:27
+MrHairgrease	and tested	17:27
+MrHairgrease	is it possible that i post it in a bug report	17:27
+MrHairgrease	and someone with a current dev environment apply it for me, if possible?	17:27
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+MrHairgrease	Here it is: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8776	17:39
+MrHairgrease	if someone could find the time to apply it I would really appreciate it	17:40
@rizen	i'll make sure Haarg does it as soon as he gets in	17:46
+MrHairgrease	super!	17:47
+MrHairgrease	thanks a bunch	17:47
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carogray	someone who wants to look at our database tables, whom we and plainblack have given permission wants to login. He has a username and password, where/how does he login? It is our domain name? Is it the server name that PlainBlack has assigned our server?	18:17
+crythias	a sql report can look at them...	18:18
+crythias	usually without password b/c it uses internal mysql passwd	18:18
+crythias	the dbpasswd and db usernamte is in webgui/etc/yoursite.conf	18:19
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carogray	he has a user name and password - the question is - where does he go?	18:21
+crythias	first, what does he need to do?	18:21
carogray	I thought it was the plainblack server that we enter the name of when we put in login requests	18:21
+crythias	you should ask pb	18:22
carogray	PlainBlack already knows about this. He wants to login and look at the tables and databases...I am not sure what he wants to do, but they have said they have opened the ports for his IP address and given him both SSH and SSL access	18:23
carogray	Unfortunately, I'm getting "can't connect" errors when I try to access that server by SSH and MySQL: -bash-3.00$ ssh server36.plainblack.net ssh: connect to host server36.plainblack.net port 22: Connection timed out -bash-3.00$ mysql -h server36.plainblack.net -u mlri -p Enter password: ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'server36.plainblack.net' (110)	18:23
+crythias	np.	18:23
carogray	sorry not SSL access - my dodo mistake	18:23
+crythias	ssh?	18:24
+crythias	mysql?	18:24
+crythias	if he merely wants to look at tables, use a sql report	18:24
+crythias	in WebGUI	18:24
+crythias	if he's going to edit them directly...	18:25
carogray	yeah - both. Haarg said he opened both" I can open either the ssh port, the mysql port, or both" .	18:27
carogray	in the end he said he opened both	18:27
carogray	he said he created a system user and an mysql user.	18:28
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topsub	When i am adding an Item from transaction object from $transaction->addItem({}) can i set a classname threw the api? Or does it just create it in the transactionItem table?	19:27
ckotil	ohhh, i like the new message boards on plainblack.com	19:27
+perlDreamer	topsub, transactionItem takes a cartItem which contains an Asset::Sku	19:30
+perlDreamer	I think cartItem contains an assetId and a set of options (internally serialized to JSON).	19:32
+perlDreamer	but that's worth a double check	19:32
topsub	ya... trying to think of best way to fake a purchase just to test if i can pull information from transaction and transactionItems table.	19:36
+perlDreamer	I think I'd set up a cart, then use Cash to check-out	19:36
topsub	ya. seems i am going to have to do the process of checking out and buying a product so i can create an asset with my custom product	19:37
+perlDreamer	Note, if you make that test generic enough, it would be nice to have it in the core.	19:38
+perlDreamer	We don't have anything like that in there yet.	19:38
topsub	using WebGUI::Shop::Transaction i can create a transaction and an transactionTiem but i can't assign it a custom className to say its my custom asset	19:38
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+MrHairgrease	question about the new bugtracker: is it intended behaviour that the emails it sends don't contain the actual message?	19:47
+MrHairgrease	it shows only severity etc	19:48
+perlDreamer	There's already a bug filed for that, MrHairgrease	19:48
+MrHairgrease	oh	19:48
+MrHairgrease	good	19:48
+MrHairgrease	thanks d	19:48
+MrHairgrease	pd*	19:48
+perlDreamer	As usual, your reverse precognition is working at 100%	19:48
+MrHairgrease	hehe it came in just 30 secs ago =)	19:49
+MrHairgrease	at least i guess	19:49
+MrHairgrease	oh	19:49
+MrHairgrease	no that's another =)	19:49
+perlDreamer	I would have sworn I saw a bug like that yesterday. Blank emails and everything.	19:50
+MrHairgrease	oh that could be	19:51
+perlDreamer	Well, in any case, it's worth filing now :)	19:51
+MrHairgrease	looking for that now	19:51
+MrHairgrease	but i was refering to a bug named 'Bug Tracker' filed by you	19:51
+MrHairgrease	since I didn't say in the email what it was abvout	19:52
+MrHairgrease	I though I'd just add 1 and 1	19:52
+perlDreamer	ah, that bug is about bad flow	19:52
+MrHairgrease	but that's not alwats 2 i guess	19:52
+perlDreamer	you do a search	19:52
+perlDreamer	click on a ticket	19:52
+perlDreamer	say "go back to tickets"	19:52
+perlDreamer	and it takes you back to the search screen, and not the ticket list	19:52
+perlDreamer	Haarg, AssetExportHtml.t is now root/root clean	19:53
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+perlDreamer	and I've backported it to both branches	20:02
+perlDreamer	If you'd give it a double check to make sure I didn't miss any root access, I'd appreciate it.	20:02
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7883 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): final fixes for AssetExportHtml test	20:14
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7884 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t): backport final AssetExportHtml test fixes	20:14
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7885 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: fix bad whitespace in Thingy POD	20:14
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7886 /WebGUI/t/Macro/ViewCart.t: update Macro/ViewCart test to track macro changes	20:14
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@perlmonkey2	can anyone think of a wobject the returns files to IE6/7?	21:07
@perlmonkey2	The current Survey doesn't.	21:07
@perlmonkey2	That was a dumb question wasn't it.	21:14
topsub	hey perlDreamer you here?	21:27
@perlmonkey2	Why would IE6 throw an error if you set the mime to 'application/octet-strem' and then return a tab-delimted text blob?	21:35
@Haarg	what kind of error?	21:45
ckotil	ID 10 T error , i think	21:47
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lisette	Hi	22:06
lisette	There is a diagram component Diagram of WebGUI?	22:07
@bopbop	lisette: can you try to clarify?	22:15
lisette	I want a diagram specified of components of webgui like a UML Diagram	22:16
+perlDreamer	perlDreamer is here	22:17
+perlDreamer	speak to me, topsub	22:17
lisette	perlDreamer hi	22:18
+perlDreamer	hi lisette!	22:18
lisette	I want a diagram specified of components of webgui like a UML Diagram	22:18
lisette	There is a diagram component Diagram of WebGUI?	22:18
+perlDreamer	No	22:19
+perlDreamer	No UML, no schema documentation	22:24
+perlDreamer	no component diagrams	22:24
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Lisett1	how to do to add a variant of a product by code?	22:52
+perlDreamer	Lisett1, you can see an example of that in /data/WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku/Product.t	22:53
Lisett1	thanks.	22:54
Lisett1	then, i create a product like an asset, and then call the method www_editVariantSave?	23:01
+perlDreamer	No	23:02
+perlDreamer	Lisett1, I owe you an apology.	23:04
+perlDreamer	There is no example code in /data/WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku/Product.t	23:04
Lisett1	mmmm	23:05
Lisett1	ok	23:05
Lisett1	where i found?	23:05
+perlDreamer	It is in /data/WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t, between lines 252-287	23:06
+perlDreamer	that sets up a product with 3 variants	23:06
Lisett1	ok, thanks	23:07
Lisett1	i see	23:07
+perlDreamer	sorry about that	23:07
Lisett1	tranquilo	23:08
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Lisett1	the file FlatRate only have 115 lines	23:09
+perlDreamer	which version of WebGUI are you using?	23:10
+perlDreamer	You can also find the example here: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t?rev=7878	23:11
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7887 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Tax.t: better cleanup of products for Shop/Tax test	23:34
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7888 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: fix clean-up of Products in FlatRate test	23:34
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7889 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Shop/ (Tax.t ShipDriver/FlatRate.t): backport test clean-ups for Products	23:34
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Lisett1	the file FlatRate only have 115 lines	23:46
Lisett1	sorry my connectios has down	23:46
+perlDreamer	You can also see the code here: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t?rev=7878	23:47
Lisett1	thanks	23:50
+perlDreamer	Is this more rockemite code?	23:54
+crythias	rebooting pidgin.	23:55
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CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7890 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Asset.pm: Update from translation server	00:07
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7891 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (4 files): Update from translation server	00:07
Lisett1	not	00:09
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Lisett1	is for utility that add videos in a website channel	00:09
SquOnk	Hi everyone	00:09
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Lisett1	like a product and the people buy per view	00:09
SquOnk	Updated 7.5.25 Debian packages at the usual place.	00:10
+perlDreamer	cool (to both of you)	00:10
SquOnk	For the next release, there will be Debconf support, i.e. after aptitude install webgui it will ask you for some info and then generate a proper webgui.conf and apache.config files	00:10
SquOnk	Quick question:	00:10
+perlDreamer	shoot	00:11
SquOnk	I have a webgui server that's behind a firewall preventing direct web access: it has to go through a proxy.	00:11
SquOnk	webgui will be used internally, but they want to have RSS feeds and HTTP Proxy assets...	00:11
SquOnk	...where can I set webgui's proxy?	00:11
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+perlDreamer	SquOnk, I don't remember off the top of my head, but if you search the forum for that, I think you'll find it.	00:12
SquOnk	perlDreamer: On my way...	00:12
SquOnk	Another thing is I haven't been able to use LDAP over SSL.	00:12
+perlDreamer	WebGUI doesn't support that currently	00:13
SquOnk	If I use ldaps://my.ldap:636/ it barfs miserably!	00:13
SquOnk	Figures...	00:13
+perlDreamer	patches welcome :)	00:13
SquOnk	...will do.	00:13
SquOnk	Net::LDAP does that magic itself, so we should only be asking for the URI.	00:13
+perlDreamer	The next WebGUI RFE day is coming up, so it's a good opportunity to get it into 7.6 quickly	00:13
SquOnk	perlDreamer: I'm more interested in the Module::Build thing. But I'm doing that myself :-)	00:14
SquOnk	perl Build.pl	00:14
+perlDreamer	Module::Build?	00:14
SquOnk	./Build	00:14
SquOnk	./Build install	00:14
+perlDreamer	oh, a setup for installing WebGUI	00:14
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Yep.	00:14
+perlDreamer	Any Lenny news?	00:15
SquOnk	perlDreamer: And it has nice things like installing in a different root, or installing in a way such as to ease packaging (as in Debian :-)	00:15
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+perlDreamer	Did you see my Fedora rpm perl module package summary on the dev list, SquOnk?	00:15
SquOnk	perlDreamer: And it can install along the Perl distribution, so finding the WebGUI root will not be an issue anymore. WebGUI modules will become part of the installed Perl modules.	00:15
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Nope	00:16
+perlDreamer	There are two outdated modules, and 10 missing ones.	00:16
SquOnk	perlDreamer: I'm bogged down with my classes. I've got a full class this quarter.	00:16
SquOnk	40 students plus managing the labs.	00:16
+perlDreamer	wow	00:16
SquOnk	They had their first exam yesterday. Not a pretty picture, I must say.	00:17
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SquOnk	Got some incredibly amazing questions.	00:17
SquOnk	"The question says 'even length word longer than two characters', why ISN'T the null word in the language then?"	00:17
SquOnk	I looked in disbelief and asked "What's the length of the null word?"	00:18
SquOnk	The student replied "Zero. But zero IS an even number too?!"	00:18
SquOnk	I almost broke a leg trying not to laugh.	00:18
SquOnk	I've got the Spanish translation to 50% today...	00:19
+perlDreamer	I saw that	00:19
+crythias	a doubleword is even length longer than a word :)	00:19
+perlDreamer	I think you and Bernd and Klaus should race to see who gets to 100% first and be the second official fully translated language for wG.	00:20
SquOnk	perlDreamer: I'll get it to 101% and beat the dutch!	00:20
+perlDreamer	Maybe you could offer extra credit to your students...	00:20
SquOnk	perlDreamer: They're lazy bastards. "Bad" lazy, if you know what I mean...	00:20
+crythias	I espeakeh espanish in the eschool.	00:21
+perlDreamer	Gotcha. Lazy as in bastards, not lazy as in perl.	00:21
SquOnk	Yeah	00:21
SquOnk	brb	00:21
+perlDreamer	crythias, I don't know that you've met SquOnk yet. SquOnk is this year's WebGUI contributor of the year.	00:22
+perlDreamer	He's trying to get WebGUI into Debian Lenny	00:22
+crythias	ooh. Mucho Gusto!	00:22
+perlDreamer	and has a full set of apt's for doing it now	00:22
+crythias	apartments? appointments?	00:22
+perlDreamer	Debian packages	00:23
+crythias	oh. yeah. blush	00:23
* perlDreamer is hampered when speaking Debian-ese due to my Fedora-ness.		00:23
+crythias	don't mind me. I have flashes of brilliance that stunt my vision of the obvious.	00:24
+crythias	Got to hand it to these people...	00:25
+crythias	http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=5983765	00:25
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knowmad	hey folks, has anyone here compiled mod_php against the WRE?	00:52
* knowmad ducks		00:52
SquOnk	Why would anyone want to do that?	00:55
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+cap10morgan_	hmm, Devel::NYTProf reports that WebGUI spends 9 seconds in the DateTime::TimeZone::new sub	00:56
+cap10morgan_	but i can't even find a place that gets called	00:56
+cap10morgan_	as far as I can tell, WebGUI just calls all_names() from that module	00:56
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan_, maybe DateTime does it internally	01:03
+perlDreamer	and I can believe 9 seconds	01:03
+perlDreamer	since it's loading some huge text file of data	01:03
+cap10morgan_	i don't see where it is doing that internally, but yeah i guess it still could be	01:03
+cap10morgan_	and this is everytime i hit my site, 9 seconds for a time zone check	01:03
+cap10morgan_	that's wayyyyyy too slow	01:04
+perlDreamer	that I don't believe	01:04
+perlDreamer	it doesn't take 9 seconds to load a page on wG	01:04
+cap10morgan_	it often takes longer than that for me	01:04
+cap10morgan_	what i'm trying to troubleshoot	01:04
+perlDreamer	Could it be custom code?	01:05
+perlDreamer	Are you running vanilla WebGUI?	01:05
knowmad	SquOnk: cause webgui doesn't do digital downloads	01:06
+perlDreamer	Doesn't do digital downloads?	01:07
SquOnk	knowmad: Pray tell what a "digital download" is? I've always believed all my downloads were digital after all...	01:07
knowmad	buy a product that is delivered digitally then provide limited time, protected access	01:07
+perlDreamer	knowmad, you're the second person who's asked for that	01:07
+perlDreamer	elnino was the first	01:08
knowmad	it's going to become more common	01:08
+perlDreamer	why don't we build one, then?	01:08
knowmad	there was discussion in the forums which led me to the DLGuard.com product which requires php	01:08
knowmad	looks easy enough and has plenty of features including integration with loads of payment gateways	01:08
knowmad	Hey SquOnk, this is the first time we've "met". Congrats on your Contributor of the Year. Hope you can come up and join us at the WUC next year.	01:09
SquOnk	knowmad: Thanks. Those are my intentions, along with trying for a second CoTY in a row... :-)	01:09
knowmad	perlDreamer: love the idea of adding it to wG shop but this is a business decision right now and buy is tons cheaper than build	01:09
+perlDreamer	and quicker	01:10
knowmad	Hey, you gave away our goals too :)	01:10
knowmad	i wanna be like perlDreamer!	01:10
knowmad	i'll update the wiki if i can get this to work	01:11
knowmad	it looks like all the apache headers are shipped in wre/prereqs/include so this just might work once i get all my requisite libs like gd, curl, etc	01:12
SquOnk	I just gave a presentation on WebGUI's benefits for a local university that happens to be my customer for other IT things...	01:12
SquOnk	...and I guess we'll have like 20 spanish translators and translation-debuggers very soon.	01:13
* SquOnk used The Force		01:13
SquOnk	...it was unfair to the PHP crowd here	01:13
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7892 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (Macro_LoginToggle.pm Macro_L_loginBox.pm): Update from translation server	01:14
knowmad	That's awesome. We're about to rollout 18 sites that are powered by 2 webgui instances for a client that does HR training across the US.	01:14
+perlDreamer	Who were you competing against?	01:14
SquOnk	perlDreamer: In-house two-time undisputed failures written in PHP and Joomla.	01:15
knowmad	Can you submit this to Tavis for a case study?	01:16
knowmad	I bet he'd be drooling for a story like that ;)	01:16
SquOnk	Once we get this show on the road, we will...	01:18
knowmad	Great. Thanks for the chat ya'll. It's quiting time.	01:18
SquOnk	...this is a public university that bases its courses in "virtual classrooms" (whatever that may mean :-)	01:18
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SquOnk	The use things like Moodle which work fine, but have had _serious_ difficulties setting up a proper intra/extra/inter/ultra/propernet :-)	01:19
SquOnk	...and they always wanted the sort of functionality that WebGUI has, but were so PHP-biased that never considered it.	01:19
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+perlDreamer	Sounds like they need a Debian-based, perl friendly consultant to help them over their biases.	01:20
SquOnk	The success of RequestTracker and a couple of Perl-based solutions by yours truly led them to believe that "this guy might know a bit or two, let's ask him"	01:20
SquOnk	perlDreamer: They have always been Debian-based, in fact they run one of the official venezuelan mirrors	01:21
+perlDreamer	Nice	01:21
SquOnk	Got to go	01:30
SquOnk	See you guys tomorrow	01:30
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7893 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: add another FlatRate calculate test	02:46
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Mech4221	Umm - stupid newb question... I've created a new macro (following the stuff in the wiki...) but I what sort of 'asset' interpolates macros ?	05:33
Mech4221	(eg I have no idea what type of content to place a call to my new macro to see if its works ?)	05:34
Mech4221	ahh - it appears articles _do_ interpret macros....	06:17
Mech4221	mine must just be busted	06:17
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elnino	Hello - Good evening!	06:54
elnino	I had enabled archiving on my CS systems, and things haven't been archiving after a year. Is there something else I need to enable for archiveing to hapepen?	06:54
knowmad	elnino: hello; you're up late tonite too	06:56
elnino	yep. I need to not do this.	06:56
knowmad	Mech4221: unless you have time and patience for reloading your server, writing tests are the best way to build macros; check out some of the existing tests in WebGUI/t/Macro for examples	06:57
knowmad	elnino: LOL. that'd make two of us	06:57
knowmad	not sure about the archiving; we've not used it yet	06:58
knowmad	i'd be suspicious about spectre	06:58
elnino	I found a vauge wiki. I guess I have to create a work flow. So I did. So now I wait. =)	06:58
knowmad	are there any workflows that are stuck in the queue?	06:58
knowmad	i'm surprised wG wouldn't do that as part of the daily maintenance workflow	06:59
elnino	nothing stuck, I just don't know how often workflows run.	07:02
elnino	I'm a bit surprised too. I may have deleted it. long ago.	07:02
elnino	I updated the wiki a little bit so it's not as vague. http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/archive-old-threads	07:03
Mech4221	knowmad: thanks :-) I just got confused because my macro just appears as text (e.g. "^SteveTest;") instead of getting 'eaten' or throwing an error...so I just assumed Articles didn't interpolate macros	07:07
Mech4221	another silly question - looking at the WObject tutorial on the wiki - the wobject's template is stored in the DB...	07:08
Mech4221	so how does one go about 'updating' the template ?	07:08
elnino	haarg - it seems the www.webgui.org search is still broken, you mentioned you were working on it several days ago, perhaps you're still working on it? specifically the bazzar one isn't working, the wiki one works.	07:08
@Haarg	broken how?	07:08
elnino	um.. Site search works, but he bazzar one just comes up blank, regardless what I search for.	07:11
elnino	Mech4221 - which wobject? - when you view properties of an asset or wobject, there is a display tab, and usually on that tab there are drop lists of templates used.	07:15
elnino	and right of that drop list there is an edit and manage button -	07:15
knowmad	Mech4221: or are you talking about the www_view template?	07:15
elnino	clicking on that will bring you to the template that is stored in the db.	07:15
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knowmad	also, if you're macro gets spit back out, check rt.log	07:15
knowmad	usu. in /data/wre/var/logs	07:15
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elnino	hello again patspam	07:16
Mech4221	www_view template ( the 'widget' portion ... but I'd like to put the 'style' templates shown on the display_tab in SVN too)	07:16
Mech4221	ahh - so templates are a purely DB thing ? no filesystem option ?	07:17
elnino	as far as I know, knowmad may know differently.	07:17
Mech4221	if so, how do you guys do source control on templates ?	07:18
elnino	they are versioned, and you can create your own.	07:18
@Haarg	elnino, this is a different problemthan before. not sure what yet. previously there was an error in the code. now it's just returning nothing.	07:18
elnino	ok. just wanted to let you know. Sorry. =(	07:18
knowmad	Mech4221: it sounds like you have a system that you are trying to fit into wG	07:19
knowmad	what is it you're trying to accomplish?	07:19
Mech4221	knowmad: Umm - not particularly - though I have mostly a 'web framework' and 'general purpose scripting' background - so I tend to want stuff like SVN (actually, mercurial) plus my favorite editor (Kate) etc etc	07:20
Mech4221	We (plone developers in general) had a hard time with 'thru-the-web' development - So I've used that model before as well	07:21
knowmad	we use SVN in conjunction with our wG projects but more for managing macros, wobjects and custom tests	07:21
knowmad	as elnino said, templates are versioned via WebGUI itself; JT has been exploring ways to get filesystem-like access into the database but is hitting obstacles last i heard	07:22
knowmad	that still wouldn't be exactly like svn though	07:22
elnino	Mech4221- think of webgui as svn and the asset manager as your file system. Then you'll be fine =)	07:22
Mech4221	ok, I wondered if there was some way of using the 'Storage' module to do it and I just wasn't seeing it	07:22
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Mech4221	so are there any other pieces that 'live' in the DB? or is everything else FS based ?	07:23
Mech4221	snippets are db only, right ?	07:23
knowmad	i wasn't going to mention it, but i'm sure you could write your own www_view to use external files	07:23
knowmad	then run those through the template engine of your choice (default is HTML::Template)	07:24
Mech4221	knowmad: just pass my own template thru to the HTML:Template renderer? We do it that way in pylons...	07:24
knowmad	95% is DB-based	07:24
knowmad	yeah, exactly; we do that with macros to separate concerns	07:24
Mech4221	knowmad: I could probably grok that given a sample or two...	07:25
knowmad	but we're using snippets just to keep things all together	07:25
knowmad	hang on...	07:25
Mech4221	knowmad: but sounds like I'll need some more experience before worrying about it	07:25
Mech4221	I'm still on 'Hello World' - so re-jiggering template rendering might be a bit 'advanced' :-)	07:25
elnino	Mech4221 - handy thing to know.	07:26
elnino	when you go around in the asset manger, and come across an asset or template or whatever,	07:26
elnino	in the upper right hand corner there is a list of versions and when they were last modified.	07:27
elnino	you can also view the revisions and roll back if needed.	07:27
knowmad	yeah, i'd stick with Hello World first; i can't put my hands on a macro with an example of using external template right now	07:27
knowmad	email me on the forums if you'd like	07:27
knowmad	Etc would be best	07:28
elnino	oh.. I just came across one... m.. what was it...	07:28
Mech4221	elnino: Ahh - found it ! Thanks :-)	07:28
elnino	the right hand corner?	07:28
elnino	=)	07:28
knowmad	Mech4221: did you add the macro to your conf file and restart modperl server?	07:28
Mech4221	lol - yep - right across from the left hand corner :-)	07:28
elnino	LOL.	07:29
Mech4221	knowmad: the 'restart' was the problem - I ran wreconsole as the 'webgui' user, so I think it lied to me and said modperl restarted when it didn't have the privs to do it ?	07:29
Mech4221	restarted wreconsole as 'root' and everything was hunky-dory	07:29
knowmad	yeah, i typically run as root	07:31
knowmad	but don't leave it running on a live site as it's unprotected	07:31
Mech4221	knowmad: yeah - this is just a toy vm for evaling webgui	07:32
Mech4221	I actually was supposed to have done the eval last weekend - but I got slammed with other work	07:32
Mech4221	so far my biggest concern is there is a lot to learn...	07:33
Mech4221	stuff seems pretty logical, performance is good (even on a small vm) - there's just a lot of ground to cover	07:33
knowmad	there is a definite learning curve but the features and application framework have made the investment worthwhile for us	07:34
knowmad	what are you looking to accomplish?	07:34
Mech4221	knowmad: initially - nothing too tough, we need a generic blog app, plus e-commerce for job-postings	07:35
knowmad	in addition to the free Primer, there are books available that cover content mgt, design, sys admin and development. they can help you get a jumpstart on the process	07:35
Mech4221	eventually, we'll need to tie into several vendors systems via web-rpc stuff	07:35
Mech4221	knowmad: yeah - I've already made it known we need to buy a full set if we're going to attempt to use wG	07:35
knowmad	the Collab System would support both the blog and the job-postings	07:36
Mech4221	the client actually didn't bitch much about the cost of the books - which surprised me :-)	07:36
knowmad	the web-rpc stuff would prob need to be custom macros or wobjects	07:36
knowmad	well the software is free after all	07:36
Mech4221	knowmad: yeah - there's lots of cool stuff in there - it appears after playing with the wG wiki that we might have a wiki as well :-P	07:37
Mech4221	knowmad: oh yeah - I'm not complaining - just surprised to have found an 'enlightened' client :-)	07:37
knowmad	oh yeah, that's there and there's a brand new bug tracker coming online in 7.6 which you can see at webgui.org now	07:37
knowmad	yes, i see your point	07:37
knowmad	we've been using it for a couple years and have about 15 sites built out	07:38
knowmad	www.knowmad.com	07:38
Mech4221	knowmad: have you used other systems besided webgui ? How did it compare ? strengths/weaknesses ?	07:38
knowmad	we like the flexibility it provides; there's also a very international user community	07:38
Mech4221	knowmad: nice looking portfolio sites on your homepage :-)	07:39
knowmad	we did a review 2 years ago when deciding on a solution	07:39
knowmad	at this point we've used typo3 and modx via client projects; personally i'm not a big fan of PHP so am a bit biased against those solutions	07:39
Mech4221	ahh - interesting - modx was one I was thinking we should investigate for this project	07:40
knowmad	they're great for one off sites but as an agency, we need a solution that helps us to manage multiple sites	07:40
Mech4221	typo3 looks nice - but I hear its a killer to learn ?	07:40
knowmad	we can run dozens of sites off a single wG instance	07:40
knowmad	oiy, let me tell you	07:40
knowmad	and the version my client is running doesn't even work in Firefox (it's not that old either; maybe a year)	07:41
knowmad	it seems to have a big european following from what i can tell	07:41
elnino	Mech4221- I'ved used joomla and dotnetnuke - webgui wins hands down. We evaluated webgui agains 30K solutions, and typo3, webgui won.	07:41
knowmad	i've seen joomla and wouldn't touch it; the plugin system is too loose and ends up not tying back into core functions	07:41
Mech4221	elnino: joomla just seemed scary - no real security system last I checked ?	07:42
knowmad	one of my colleagues here in charlotte showed us dotnetnuke and i was somewhat impressed with what he could do; not enough to switch mind you :)	07:42
elnino	I never looked back on the decision to pick webgui - when ever I think it can't handle something I find out that that it can. - or just needs minor tweaking to fullfil our needs.	07:42
elnino	I used Joomla for a couple clients. I'm trying to convert them.	07:43
Mech4221	we did a 'big' eval about 8 years ago - looked at all sorts of stuff - midgard, typo3, *Nuke, etc etc	07:43
Mech4221	we ended up with Plone (Python, Zope based)	07:43
knowmad	that's exactly the problem i saw with one of the modules we were looking at; no file security b/c the developer was a photographer and hadn't bother to figure out how to tie his module back into the core security system	07:43
knowmad	did you use TAL templates?	07:43
Mech4221	hell - back then, we used DTML - TAL is the 'new' stuff :-)	07:43
knowmad	i'm a big fan of TAL; there's a perl module, Petal, which i used for years before switching to wG	07:44
Mech4221	actually - Plone worked well for us... but the market has changed in the past 8 years, and it was time for a replacement	07:44
knowmad	one day i might actually port it to wG	07:44
Mech4221	knowmad: TAL's not bad - very 'elegant' in the use of namespaces to keep the html clean and validating	07:44
Mech4221	knowmad: but its _slow_	07:45
Mech4221	knowmad: there's a 'new tal' (z3c) thats a LOT faster	07:45
knowmad	webgui was rebuilt in 2005-2006 so has a clean API that makes it a great platform for us as a dev shop to do custom work	07:45
knowmad	plus we get all the security and common features built-in to boot	07:45
knowmad	i hadn't heard of z3c; i'll check it out	07:46
Mech4221	its just gotten to the point where the huge system requirements and relatively slow performance of plone wasn't justified by the feature set. 8 years ago - little could touch zope/plone in terms of features and maturity - now its a different story	07:46
knowmad	yeah, it suffers from being almost too elegant and definitely slow	07:46
Mech4221	knowmad: check out 'grok' too - its a re-do of a lot Zope technology to support a more 'railsish' application development model...	07:47
knowmad	do you work with an agency?	07:47
Mech4221	knowmad: the sad part is Zope 3 is a LOT faster and cleaner then Zope 2 - but plone isn't compatible with it	07:48
knowmad	yeah, that sounds like it might be a painful upgrade	07:48
Mech4221	knowmad: I'm a principal in a little shop - just 2 of us and some sub-contractors :-)	07:48
knowmad	we have 4 staff plus 2 regular subs	07:48
knowmad	where are you guys located?	07:48
Mech4221	knowmad: after working with Zope/Plone for so long, I had sort of a 'full-stack toolkit' backlash and started playing with pylons ..	07:49
Mech4221	oh, we're in San Jose CA	07:49
knowmad	how did you like that? the community college here uses it and the dev i know really likes it	07:49
Mech4221	pylons is a very nice 'little' framework... Oh, I _LOVE_ it :-)	07:50
knowmad	i've done a bit of python pgmming for process automation, mostly maintenance work; it has some nice features which will hopefully make it into Perl 6	07:50
Mech4221	if you know python, you know pylons :-) Very small, very simple	07:50
Mech4221	but not a lot of functionality 'baked in'...	07:50
knowmad	good to know	07:50
knowmad	i think that's what php gives for web developers	07:51
elnino	I'm going to sleep!!! See ya, nice chatting.	07:51
knowmad	but 3000+ functions is simply ridiculous and leads to some crappy code	07:51
Mech4221	you get simple sql connectivity, fast templating language, sessions, routes for dispatching, and a very simple security framework - thats _it_	07:51
knowmad	elnino: yeah, i need to do the same. good to catch up with you.	07:51
Mech4221	elnino: nice talking to you too :-)	07:51
knowmad	Mech4221: hey, i think i'm going to follow elnino. good talking to you. feel free to email me if you have any other questions -- william@knowmad.com	07:55
Mech4221	knowmad: Thanks!	07:56
Mech4221	will do :-)	07:56
Mech4221	and thanks for the help :-)	07:56
knowmad	yw	07:56
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wgGuest87	hello?	08:46
Mech4221	hi	08:46
wgGuest87	Hi Mech	08:46
Mech4221	Hi Guest :-)	08:46
wgGuest87	Hi. My name is Oren BTW	08:47
wgGuest87	anyone else here?	08:47
Mech4221	Hi Oren :-)	08:47
Mech4221	I think everyone went to bed....	08:48
wgGuest87	You are in the U.S?	08:49
Mech4221	yes - I'm in California	08:49
Mech4221	you ?	08:49
wgGuest87	I'm in Israel. It's early morning in this part of the world...	08:49
Mech4221	ahh... It's almost midnight here :-)	08:51
wgGuest87	Yea 8 hours differnce	08:51
Mech4221	though the Europeans might be getting up soon	08:51
wgGuest87	I guess so. Anyway, maybe you can help me with a WegGui issue?	08:52
Mech4221	really ? I thought Israel was further east (or further east then europe anyway... )	08:52
Mech4221	I doubt it - but I'm willing to try :-)	08:52
wgGuest87	Actualy I already posted a question about this in the forum	08:53
wgGuest87	but in any case I am trying to set up a site... and this is my first experience with WebGui	08:54
Mech4221	mine too :-)	08:54
wgGuest87	One of the main features I need is that users will have a personal space... a home page or something like that, that they can edit	08:55
wgGuest87	I know how to create page layouts owned by users	08:55
Mech4221	oh - doesn't the 'dashboard' thingy do that ?	08:56
wgGuest87	It might	08:56
wgGuest87	I tried useing it and it seem to mess up the whole page	08:56
wgGuest87	I can use regular page layouts too, I guess	08:57
wgGuest87	but my question is different: How do I create a page (or any kind of asset for that matter) automaticaly for users when they register	08:58
Mech4221	Umm - I not sure in wG - but in other CMS systems I've used, that would be in the workflows ?	08:58
Mech4221	s/I/I'm/	08:58
wgGuest87	Maybe..	08:59
wgGuest87	I will check that	08:59
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wgGuest87	Hi Bob	08:59
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AMH_bob	Hi wgGuest87	09:00
wgGuest87	:-)	09:00
AMH_bob	and dapperedodo of course ...	09:00
wgGuest87	Hi Dapper	09:00
Mech4221	wgGuest87: oh hey - they have training videos... http://www.plainblack.com/wgtv/dashboards	09:00
wgGuest87	Thanks, I'll have a look	09:01
Mech4221	wgGuest87: if it helps any - its says admin 'doesn't get to play' with dashboards... so maybe you were admin when it messed up your page ?	09:02
wgGuest87	Maybe.	09:03
dapperedodo	morning	09:04
wgGuest87	May I repeat my question for the people who just joun? Perhaps one of you can help me?	09:04
wgGuest87	I am setting up a site which is part like a social network	09:05
wgGuest87	so I need users to have "home pages" that they can edit, add assets to, etc.	09:06
wgGuest87	These pages may be dashboards or just plain page layouts. That is not the problem	09:06
wgGuest87	My problem is this: I want the home pages of users to be created for them when tehy register	09:07
wgGuest87	I also want that when users login they will go to their home pages and not to the root	09:07
wgGuest87	hello?	09:09
Mech4221	wgGuest87: sorry - thats beyond me :-/	09:11
wgGuest87	Anyone else?	09:11
wgGuest87	I just need some kind of a general recepie. I can figure out the details myself, I guess...	09:12
wgGuest87	Okay, Thanks anyway :-)	09:13
wgGuest87	You did help me with the link to the dashboard help. I might be able to use that...	09:13
wgGuest87	bye	09:14
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SDuensin	Hello!	16:48
+MrHairgrease	Howdy!	16:48
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AMH_bob	howdy	16:52
SDuensin	I finally worked out my psycho WebGUI upgrade and tested it. Now I just need "real" work to get out of the way so I can do it. :-)	16:52
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carogray	what would be the syntax for getting the right AM or PM when using meridiem variable for an events time	17:25
carogray	?	17:25
carogray	good morning/afternoon	17:25
@perlmonkey2	We SOOOOO need a new wobject that uses a carousel to rotate articles	17:32
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@perlmonkey2	That would be frick'n sexy beyond words if people could whip up a fancy carousel in a few seconds and then stick it anywhere they wanted.	17:33
@perlmonkey2	YUI 2.6 now has one	17:33
+MrHairgrease	pm2: you could prolly do that by integrating the yui caroussel into a layout template	17:33
@perlmonkey2	MrHairgrease: brilliant	17:34
+MrHairgrease	it is =)	17:34
@perlmonkey2	wow, I going to have to try to do that tonight.	17:35
@perlmonkey2	s/I/I am/	17:35
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dionak	that is nice	17:41
dionak	and would be very useful for articles, especially on news sites implemented in webgui	17:42
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7895 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): fixed #8776: duplicate does not duplicate keywords	17:50
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7896 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): fixed #8776: duplicate does not duplicate keywords	17:50
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crythias1	hrm.	18:50
crythias1	is there a field for an article's date of commit/save/post/something?	18:52
@Haarg	revisionDate or creationDate	18:53
@Haarg	revisionDate is last edit	18:53
crythias1	probably revisionDate, to include pretty print in an article template	18:54
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crythias1	so... do I need to sqlreport article revisionDate?	18:56
@perlmonkey2	content-dispositionattachment; filename="test-survey-2_composite.tab"	19:00
@perlmonkey2	content-dispositionattachment; filename="test%20survey%202.tab"	19:00
@perlmonkey2	Is that an encoding issue, an html entities issue, or what? Because IE6 is cool with the first and chokes on the second.	19:00
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@Haarg	i'd have to check the specs on that	19:04
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+perlDreamer	In the new bug system, if I comment on a closed bug does it automatically reopen?	19:13
@Haarg	closed no	19:14
@Haarg	resolved yes	19:14
Lisette	hi perlDreamer	19:14
+perlDreamer	Semantically, what is the difference between resolved and closed?	19:14
Lisette	what is the parentId of the product?	19:14
@Haarg	one automatically reopens :)	19:14
+perlDreamer	Lisette, assets are laid out like a tree	19:15
+perlDreamer	the parentId is the assetId of whichever asset "owns" the Product.	19:15
+perlDreamer	Haarg: gotcha :)	19:15
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zylopfa	Can anyone tell me how i can get script errors displayed in error log?	19:29
zylopfa	like if i forget a ; or a "	19:29
+perlDreamer	use $session->log->warn	19:29
+perlDreamer	oh	19:29
+perlDreamer	no way to do that for a script	19:29
zylopfa	I dont get normal error message	19:29
zylopfa	damn it	19:29
+perlDreamer	how about doing perl -wc myScript.pl	19:29
zylopfa	Its very long development time for me like that	19:29
zylopfa	no its in a module	19:30
zylopfa	Payment module i make	19:30
+perlDreamer	same thing, zylopfa	19:30
zylopfa	so its warning?	19:30
+perlDreamer	perl -wc -I /data/WebGUI/lib myModule.pm	19:30
zylopfa	ohh sweet	19:30
+perlDreamer	and you don't even need to restart Apache to do that	19:30
+perlDreamer	in vim, you can make a bindkey to do it for you	19:30
+perlDreamer	or you can override the write method to automatically syntax check before it writes	19:31
zylopfa	perlDreamer, it goes to some interactive mode when i write it	19:31
+perlDreamer	perl -wc -(Capital I) /data/WebGUI/lib myModule.pm	19:32
zylopfa	so i need the entire path?	19:32
+perlDreamer	yes	19:32
zylopfa	ahh ofc	19:32
zylopfa	i need the lib	19:32
+perlDreamer	yes, because, depending on where you invoke perl, it doesn't know how to find any webgui modules that your module uses	19:33
zylopfa	yeah ofc :D	19:33
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zylopfa	Thanks a 1000 million perlDreamer	19:34
zylopfa	this just took hours off my development	19:34
zylopfa	cause i some times forget a " or something else thats a syntax error	19:34
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zylopfa	perlDreamer, when i do a $output .= << "EndOfText";	19:36
zylopfa	and i interpolate variables inside	19:36
zylopfa	it says error	19:36
zylopfa	that it require explicit package name	19:37
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, are you using "use strict" in your module?	19:37
zylopfa	yeah	19:37
@apeiron	zylopfa, Declare $output.	19:37
zylopfa	It is	19:37
zylopfa	my $output = "something";	19:37
@apeiron	zylopfa, Pastebot the code, please.	19:37
zylopfa	roger that	19:37
@apeiron	There's a communications error between you and perl. :)	19:38
zylopfa	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7aac9b74	19:38
zylopfa	haha yeah	19:38
zylopfa	LOL	19:38
zylopfa	its a typo	19:38
zylopfa	sorry apeiron to waste your time	19:38
zylopfa	its a case sensitive error	19:39
@apeiron	No worries, I do the same thing all the time.	19:39
zylopfa	Most my errors are like that	19:39
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, if this payment module is to be put into the core, it will need to be internationalized.	19:40
zylopfa	I got a good testing tip from perlDreamer :	19:40
zylopfa	perlDreamer, exactly	19:40
+perlDreamer	good, just checking :)	19:40
zylopfa	i am just making some testing	19:40
zylopfa	the perl -wc -I ... trick realy saved me	19:40
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7897 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Matrix.pm Asset_WikiMaster.pm Asset_WikiPage.pm): Update from translation server	19:43
zylopfa	I am gonna internationalize it now, its best to do it as you go, imo	19:44
zylopfa	Does anyone know if Digest::SHA is default installed with webgui?	19:57
zylopfa	or a similar thing that can calcualte sha-512 digests	19:57
carogray	trying to use meridiem calendar date variable and getting stuck	19:57
carogray	anyone up for this q?	19:58
zylopfa	Not sure what you mean	19:58
carogray	meridiem keeps giving me AM - no matter what	19:59
zylopfa	Isn't it a setting in the user profile?	20:01
zylopfa	wether to use am times or military time	20:01
zylopfa	ohh propablt not whatr you asked	20:01
zylopfa	I dont know about this :(	20:01
carogray	Calendar Date/Time variables	20:02
carogray	Sometimes these variables have a prefix, like "start" or "end". In that case, the first letter of the variables below is capitalized, so "monthName" with a prefix of "start" becomes "startMonthName".	20:02
carogray	meridiem is one of these variables	20:02
carogray	I am getting eventStartDateHour and eventStartDateMinute to work as well as corresponding End variables, but can't get the meridiem to work	20:03
zylopfa	I am dont know anything about the calendar :(	20:04
carogray	I would have thought it would show up if I put in eventStartDateMeridiem	20:04
carogray	that gives nothing	20:04
carogray	hmmm well I will just keep asking...thanks	20:05
+perlDreamer	carogray, I would file it as a bug	20:06
+perlDreamer	Give the complete setup on how to duplicate it	20:06
carogray	I keep thinking I am just not asking for the right combination of these words like should it just be eventStartMeridiem, or eventStartDateHourMeridiem, etc - not a bug if I am the buggy one	20:08
@perlmonkey2	So a wobject can't override header settings by calls to session->http? I'm trying to change the cache-control header and not having any luck.	20:15
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+perlDreamer	unless you're dealing with a layout, due to chunking, by the time a wobject is called it's too late.	20:25
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+perlDreamer	at least, that's how I think it works...	20:26
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+perlDreamer	carogray, the list of Template variables is in the online Help for the Event Calendar. Have you looked there?	20:46
+perlDreamer	You shouldn't have to guess.	20:46
zylopfa	perlDreamer, what when my payment module use SHA-512 digests and its not in the WRE?	21:02
CIA-39	WebGUI: frank * r7898 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm: fixed a permissions problem for individual tickets. Should be checking parent view privielges, not super	21:28
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7899 /translations/German/German/ (Asset.pm Auth.pm): Update from translation server	21:28
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7900 /translations/German/German/Asset_Matrix.pm: Update from translation server	21:28
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7901 /translations/German/German/Asset_Photo.pm: Update from translation server	21:28
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, if it's not in the WRE, then there's a problem.	21:39
+perlDreamer	people will need to install the module by hand	21:40
+perlDreamer	and wait for the next WRE release before it is included by default	21:40
zylopfa	ahh ok	21:40
zylopfa	who do i need to contact, so they can put it in?	21:40
+perlDreamer	well, first of all, we should determine if it's already in the WRE	21:40
+perlDreamer	rizen approves/denies all new module proposals	21:41
zylopfa	ahh ok	21:41
zylopfa	I installed webgui from source, so i dont quite know if its in	21:41
+perlDreamer	WRE includes Digest-HMAC, Digest-MD5, DIgest-SHA1	21:41
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/wrebuild/build.sh	21:42
zylopfa	ahh sweet	21:42
+perlDreamer	URL to WRE build script with all modules currently included	21:42
zylopfa	thanks a lot	21:42
carogray	perDreamer: I keep thinking I am just not asking for the right combination of these words like should it just be eventStartMeridiem, or eventStartDateHourMeridiem, etc - not a bug if I am the buggy one	21:43
carogray	that's where I read about these various things...	21:43
carogray	the variable in the help just is meridiem	21:44
carogray	but the instructions tell me I might need to put different words in front - so far I guessed right with the eventStartDateHour and eventStartDateMinute and the same for end	21:45
carogray	just can't figure out what it should be for meridiem	21:45
carogray	same pattern or different	21:45
+perlDreamer	well, if you guess a variable that does not exist, it won't print anything	21:53
+perlDreamer	so the fact that it always says AM tells me that it is a bug	21:53
carogray	oh I see	21:55
carogray	I was just thinking it didn't know what meridiem I was asking it for...like the meridiem of the start or the meridiem of the end or the hour or...you know	21:56
carogray	ok - actually I think I have never posted a bug before - is it somewhere on sourceforge I go?	21:56
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@Haarg	http://www.webgui.org/bugs	21:58
carogray	Haarg: thanks	22:00
+perlDreamer	carogray, posting bugs gives you karma	22:02
+perlDreamer	which you can use to vote on RFEs, or buy merchandise from PB.com	22:02
carogray	oh brother - now I am really stupid	22:02
carogray	I went there, I searched on "meridiem" without quotes - 0 results, but now, how do I post it?	22:03
+perlDreamer	Click on the Report a Bug link above the search screen	22:03
carogray	do I have to be logged in?	22:04
+perlDreamer	I've never tried to submit a ticket without being logged, so I don't know	22:05
carogray	oh I guess I must if you are talking about karma	22:05
+perlDreamer	Yes	22:05
+perlDreamer	if you want the karma, you must be logged in.	22:05
carogray	ok - yep	22:05
carogray	if I want to report a bug I have to be logged in!	22:05
+perlDreamer	Yep. I just logged out and saw that too.	22:05
carogray	allright here I go	22:05
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CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7902 /translations/German/German/Asset_RichEdit.pm: Update from translation server	22:25
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7903 /translations/German/German/Activity_RequestApprovalForVersionTag_ByCommitterGroup.pm: Update from translation server	22:25
zylopfa	is the 'eq' operator case sensitive?	22:38
+perlDreamer	yes	22:40
zylopfa	ok :D	22:40
zylopfa	thanks	22:40
@apeiron	zylopfa, Unless the programmer asks otherwise, all text operations in Perl are case-sensitive.	22:40
+perlDreamer	perldoc perlop	22:40
zylopfa	uc is my friend then	22:40
+perlDreamer	exactly	22:40
@apeiron	Or lc.	22:40
+perlDreamer	or lc	22:40
zylopfa	i am comparing sha-256 strings	22:40
* apeiron eyes perlDreamer		22:40
zylopfa	so i am uc'ing them	22:41
+perlDreamer	Just ignore the neurocannula apeiron	22:41
@apeiron	er?	22:41
zylopfa	cause the gw sends it in upper	22:41
@apeiron	If you're comparing SHA-256 digests, shouldn't case be important?	22:41
zylopfa	and perl make em in lower as default	22:41
zylopfa	aperion not when i have hex'ed it	22:41
@apeiron	Ah, only one case? whoops. <_<	22:41
+perlDreamer	apeiron: http://www.itsf.org/resources/factsheet.php?fsID=206	22:41
zylopfa	its hex digits	22:41
@apeiron	perlDreamer, ooh, neat.	22:42
zylopfa	perlDreamer, I already found errors in my Payment Gateway Providers documentation	22:42
zylopfa	but its not much its a posted variable they say is called Signature but its called signature with a small s	22:42
zylopfa	I will uppercase both signatures just in case the provider change his to lowercase	22:46
zylopfa	perlDreamer, which part of a GUID is most likely to be random among other GUIDS. is it the first part or the last?	22:47
+perlDreamer	It's a cryptographic hash. All parts are equally random.	22:48
zylopfa	ahh ok	22:48
+perlDreamer	Unless you use one of the existing MD5 cracking algorithms to create a duplicate hash	22:48
zylopfa	I am still working on my problem cause i need it to be 20 alphanumeric digits	22:48
+perlDreamer	In which case it's not random at all...	22:48
zylopfa	I just cant understand why my gateway provider choose that order numbers can only be 20 alphanumeric digits	22:49
zylopfa	its a bug imo	22:49
+perlDreamer	probably due to their choice of db	22:49
zylopfa	haah yeha	22:49
zylopfa	but perlDreamer the "reference" field that you can also post is 255 chars, and can be anything you want	22:51
+perlDreamer	hmmmm......	22:51
+perlDreamer	perhaps you can put a GUID in there?	22:51
zylopfa	I am	22:52
zylopfa	BUT!	22:52
zylopfa	I am suspecting that when i do recurring	22:52
@Haarg	even with 20 characters of random alpha numeric, the chances of duplication are so small you don't need to worry about it	22:52
zylopfa	that the gw will only send the order number for reference	22:52
zylopfa	So Haarg can i create a random 20 char string myself? and "hope" it wont dublicate	22:52
@Haarg	use a guid, replace the characters that are invalid, and cut it at 22 characters	22:53
@Haarg	20 rather	22:53
zylopfa	Thanks a lot!	22:53
zylopfa	I have tested the gw, it will make error also if its dublicate	22:54
zylopfa	Sometimes i wonder why Webgui isnt heard of so much as the noob cms systems like drupal	23:19
zylopfa	In denmark yesterday they got a problem with drupal on a newspaper site	23:20
zylopfa	all visitors suddenly had full admin access to the site	23:20
zylopfa	They said it was because of an admin cookie that was set	23:21
zylopfa	Must be a flawed access system, if they set admin access variables in cookies	23:21
zylopfa	instead of checking sessions against the database	23:21
metanil	how do i create a page automatically within any perlmodule..(say from macro)?	23:22
zylopfa	I want to know that also metanil	23:22
+perlDreamer	what do you mean by "create a page"?	23:22
zylopfa	for example upon user creation	23:23
zylopfa	create a user subtree	23:23
zylopfa	/siteusers/user	23:23
metanil	rather than going manually from admin menu.. create a asset (page) and fill the content in it.. do "Save"..	23:23
zylopfa	and under there create pages or content automatically	23:23
metanil	zylofa: i'm kinda doing same.. ;)	23:24
Bernd_	Check "perldoc asset"	23:24
Bernd_	There is a function for creating new assets	23:24
Bernd_	I assume that it is inherited by other wobjects.	23:25
Bernd_	Right, perlDreamer?	23:25
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metanil	i think we can use direct asset (like page, layout, Wiki, Calendar...) for creating them..	23:28
zylopfa	Awesome Bernd_	23:29
zylopfa	Also we can look at the function for "site startup" when you make a new webgui site, it create a site starter	23:29
zylopfa	where you can choose different things for layout and it create a site itself	23:29
Bernd_	Hmm, there is no function for creating a new Page Layout in Layout.pm	23:31
Bernd_	Must be somewhere in Asset.pm or Wobject.pm	23:31
+perlDreamer	You use Asset->addChild to add new pages	23:32
zylopfa	imba	23:32
+perlDreamer	so, build an asset that you want to hold the page	23:32
+perlDreamer	my $genericHome = WebGUI::Asset->getDefault($session);	23:32
+perlDreamer	my $userHome = $genericHome->addChild({lots of parameters go in here});	23:32
+perlDreamer	you can build a custom workflow which runs on user creation	23:33
+perlDreamer	look for that in the settings	23:33
Bernd_	Are you sure? addChild does not exist according to docs.	23:33
zylopfa	Sick awesome!	23:33
Bernd_	Wasn't there a getImportNode in between?	23:33
+perlDreamer	perldoc WebGUI::AssetLineage, or WebGUI::AssetBranch	23:33
zylopfa	perlDreamer, you have to make sure the user in the $session is the admin user	23:33
+perlDreamer	yes, but the importNode is for other purposes	23:33
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, not always	23:33
zylopfa	ohh	23:33
+perlDreamer	but it must be a user who can edit the defaultHome	23:34
zylopfa	ahh yeah	23:34
+perlDreamer	so, admin is good	23:34
Bernd_	perlDreamer, is AssetLineage mixed into Asset?	23:35
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: yes	23:35
Bernd_	Alright. Now I understand.	23:35
+perlDreamer	it makes it hard to track down methods	23:35
+perlDreamer	I need to learn to use tags in vim	23:36
Bernd_	Is that mentioned in the docs or do I have to check the source for that.	23:36
Bernd_	?	23:36
+perlDreamer	which docs?	23:36
Bernd_	POD	23:36
+perlDreamer	I would love a POD patch which said which other modules to check for asset methods	23:36
Bernd_	So it is not obvious from POD currently.	23:37
+perlDreamer	no	23:37
Bernd_	Thanks.	23:37
+perlDreamer	you have to know that Asset uses AssetLineage, AssetBranch, AssetVersion, AssetExportHtml, etc.	23:37
Bernd_	But isn't the export of methods from these packages stated somewhere?	23:38
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+perlDreamer	only in use statements in Asset.pm	23:39
Bernd_	I can ss	23:39
Bernd_	I can see "use" declarations.	23:39
Bernd_	But nothing else.	23:39
Bernd_	I thought that exported methods need to be declared?	23:40
@Haarg	those other files don't have their own package	23:40
+perlDreamer	Bernd_, I'm sorry. methods are not exported	23:40
+perlDreamer	only subroutines are	23:40
@Haarg	they have the package WebGUI::Asset	23:40
@Haarg	so the subs all end up in the same package/class	23:40
Bernd_	But AssetLineage.pm declares the package WebGUI::AssetLineage	23:41
Bernd_	So why can I call methods in AssetLineage	23:41
Bernd_	through Asset?	23:41
@Haarg	check the files	23:41
@Haarg	the package they go into has no relation to the filename	23:42
@Haarg	AssetLineage.pm line 1: package WebGUI::Asset;	23:42
Bernd_	You are right.	23:42
+perlDreamer	It's an easy way to create mixins	23:42
Mech4221	whee! busy channel - Did I miss anything interesting in the scrollback ?	23:42
Bernd_	But POD is wrong then.	23:42
+perlDreamer	No	23:43
+perlDreamer	POD is file based	23:43
+perlDreamer	not package based	23:43
Bernd_	There is a line Package WebGUI::AssetLineage	23:43
Bernd_	later on.	23:43
Bernd_	I mean in the doc section.	23:43
Bernd_	Should be changed, maybe.	23:43
Bernd_	I am talking about line 21 in AssetLineage.pm	23:44
+perlDreamer	I see it.	23:45
Bernd_	Is that correct?	23:45
Bernd_	I find it somewhat confusing.	23:45
+perlDreamer	I think it's a stumbling block.	23:45
@Haarg	it should probably be changed	23:45
Bernd_	RFE? Or bug report?	23:45
@Haarg	bug	23:46
+perlDreamer	patch ? ;)	23:46
Bernd_	I do not have access.	23:46
Bernd_	The patch is up to you.	23:46
+perlDreamer	you can still make a patch	23:46
+perlDreamer	I'll apply it	23:46
@Haarg	you can still make a patch and post it	23:46
+perlDreamer	bugs with patches almost always get fixed immediately	23:46
Bernd_	Isn't that a bit cumbersome?	23:47
+perlDreamer	Oh no	23:47
+perlDreamer	Saves us tons of time	23:47
Bernd_	I mean, can't you change it while we are talking?	23:47
+perlDreamer	Not and keep doing my day job	23:47
Bernd_	I mean, in this particular case?	23:47
@Haarg	well, it shouldn't just be changing the package	23:47
+perlDreamer	There is a very large, angry ex-Football player who demands that schedules be met	23:48
@Haarg	it should note how the mixins work	23:48
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Bernd_	So, what has to be in the patch.	23:48
Bernd_	I mean apart from that single line change.	23:48
Bernd_	Oh, you mean I should update documentation?	23:49
@Haarg	i'm not certain the best way to document it really	23:50
Bernd_	Stating it in the synopsis should probably be fine.	23:51
Bernd_	Currently, the lineage is mentioned.	23:51
Bernd_	But it is not clear that it is mixed in.	23:51
@Haarg	well, it is stated, the language just isn't entirely clear.	23:51
@Haarg	i'm going to have to mess with assetexporthtml.t some more i guess. is uses the default site content instead of creating its own.	23:51
Bernd_	Well, I did not get it for my part.	23:51
Bernd_	assetexporthtml.t?	23:52
@Haarg	unrelated to this issue	23:52
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, what do you want done? It's passing on the smoke test	23:52
+perlDreamer	and on my box	23:53
+perlDreamer	brb	23:53
@Haarg	my reset script clears all the default content from the pages - the articles and images etc	23:53
Bernd_	Alright, going to bed.	23:53
Bernd_	Enjoy hacking!	23:53
@Haarg	so it fails for me	23:53
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@Haarg	overall i just think it would be better if it didn't depend on the default page content	23:54
Mech4221	I was looking at 'The people behind WG last nite'...	23:54
Mech4221	and was interested to see how many of them are NOT programmers	23:55
Mech4221	kinda cool - its not often an open source projects gives 'non-coders' such recognition	23:55
Mech4221	:-)	23:55
+perlDreamer	Mech4221, we need everyone :)	23:56
+perlDreamer	Haarg, make you a deal	23:56
+perlDreamer	I'll create a set of content to make	23:56
+perlDreamer	if you'll tackle the syntaxCheck.t failures	23:56
@Haarg	sure :)	23:56
@Haarg	syntaxCheck is failing now?	23:56
+perlDreamer	yes	23:56
@Haarg	i'm running through the tests right now, so i'll be going over it.	23:57
+perlDreamer	on my box, and in the nightlies from preactino	23:57
@Haarg	ok	23:57
+perlDreamer	For me, no script passes	23:57
@Haarg	you know what kind of failures it is getting?	23:57
+perlDreamer	I'll rerun and paste you some data	23:58
+perlDreamer	perl is throwing these kinds of errors:	23:59
+perlDreamer	Can't ignore signal CHLD, forcing to default	23:59
@Haarg	hmm	23:59
+perlDreamer	the syntax check is clean, but perl still returns -1	23:59
+perlDreamer	so both the output and status checks fail	23:59
@Haarg	odd. i'll look into it though	23:59
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Mech4221	oh - someone asked an interesting question last nite....	00:04
Mech4221	How do you automagically populate content / create pages when a user registers with a webgui site? Is that done via a workflow ?	00:05
@Haarg	that could be done with a custom workflow	00:08
+perlDreamer	Mech4221, backlog about about an hour or so	00:09
+perlDreamer	we talked about this	00:09
@Haarg	perlDreamer, i can't duplicate that here or on a redhat 4 server	00:10
+perlDreamer	hm	00:10
@Haarg	can you paste your perl -V	00:10
Mech4221	perlDreamer: ahh cool - I got lazy as the backlog was so long :-)	00:10
+perlDreamer	Haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3eeb53bd	00:12
@Haarg	and what distro?	00:13
+perlDreamer	FC6	00:14
+perlDreamer	I can try on FC9 tonight	00:14
Mech4221	perlDreamer: cool - good to know the hooks are there ...	00:14
+perlDreamer	we do try, Mech4221	00:15
Mech4221	perlDreamer: one other stupid newb question - I was watching the 'cool javascript tricks' video on wgtv last nite...	00:15
* perlDreamer points out that his nick is not jsDreamer ;)		00:15
Mech4221	perlDreamer: and the one thing they didn't cover was how you get the js libs (YUI say) into the templates...	00:15
+perlDreamer	just load them in a script tag	00:15
Mech4221	perlDreamer: Do you have to modify the templates directly, or is there some sort of generic 'include this' type functionality - like there is for keywords ?	00:16
+perlDreamer	Mech4221, from the user point of view, unless the asset already loads the JS in the HTTP header, they would have to be included manually.	00:17
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@rizen	Mech4221: how do you know about wgtv?	00:17
Mech4221	perlDreamer: thanks :-)	00:17
Mech4221	rizen: umm... I think site search pulled up a result from it... then I went to get back to it later and couldn't find it in the site nav.	00:17
@rizen	i c	00:18
Mech4221	rizen: btw - we couldn't get the 'database driven developement' video to fully stream - it breaks about 2 miinutes in..	00:18
@rizen	it's not officially launched yet	00:18
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@rizen	there are probably all kinds of problems with it	00:18
+perlDreamer	good luck on PPW this weekend rizen	00:21
@rizen	i'm not on the schedule yet	00:21
+perlDreamer	huh?	00:21
@rizen	s/yet/anymore/	00:21
+perlDreamer	you got bumped?	00:21
@rizen	yeah	00:21
+perlDreamer	dude	00:21
+perlDreamer	well, one less trip	00:21
@rizen	i was originally supposed to get a 4 hour workshop and a 1 hour speech	00:22
@rizen	they gave me the speech but not the workshop	00:22
@rizen	and i have a lot of stuff going on at PB right now, so i decided to skip it	00:22
@rizen	wasn't worth making the trip to pittsburgh for 1 hour	00:22
@rizen	especially since it's going to be maybe 20 peeps attending my session	00:22
@rizen	given the other talks that were going on at the same time	00:23
zylopfa	Aha nice rizen , just saw now that you are JT Smith	00:24
@rizen	indeed	00:24
@rizen	so Mech4221, since you did see wgtv, what do you think so far? a good resource?	00:25
zylopfa	rizen, btw i bought the developer book	00:25
@rizen	sweet zylopfa. has it arrived yet?	00:26
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zylopfa	yeah and i love it	00:26
zylopfa	It really got me out of the starthole	00:26
@rizen	it would be super sweet to see a review of the book online some place	00:26
@rizen	would you be interested in writing it?	00:26
zylopfa	I have some corrections for it though, some of the code wont run, but its good cause then you are forced to understand it to make it work	00:26
zylopfa	yeah I would indeed	00:26
@apeiron	I'm pretty sure use.perl takes book reviews. perlmonks does, too.	00:27
Mech4221	rizen: it looked pretty slick - I especially liked having the notes available for download along with the video - most conf. videos don't show the screen very well, and this makes it easy to follow along..	00:27
Mech4221	rizen: SnowWrite (my partner in crime) does skinning (plone mostly) - and she would _really_ like the skinning webgui video to work...	00:27
@rizen	Mech4221: once wgtv is announced, if they are still borked, post a bug about it and we'll try to fix it. in some cases the archival video is borked so there's nothing we can do about it	00:28
@rizen	but in other cases, just re-encoding the vid will fix it	00:28
Mech4221	rizen: it looks like a very good resource :-)	00:30
@rizen	mech4221: i hope so. it doesn't beat buying docs, support, or attending a live WUC, but it is something to fit in between those resources	00:31
Mech4221	rizen: the problem is, the docs are understandably expensive - the video's fill the 'quick overview' niche for people like us that are just 'eval'ing the system	00:31
Mech4221	rizen: for instance, one of the standard 'build a wiki in 15 minutes with webgui' videos would be nice..	00:32
Mech4221	rizen: even though webgui has a wiki built in, that is the 'standard' demo that other toolkits use	00:32
Mech4221	rizen: so it would be a good way to compare webgui development to other systems.	00:32
@rizen	Mech4221: please make that an RFE and we'll put someone on doing that	00:35
Mech4221	rizen: umm - sure... lemme go poke plainblacks website and see if I can figure out where/how :-)	00:36
@rizen	webgui.org/rfe	00:36
@rizen	you need to be logged in to post	00:36
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Mech4221	LOL - SnowWrite wants a stuffed Gooey - she says its very cute branding :-)	00:37
+perlDreamer	__everybody__ wants a stuffed Gooey	00:38
@rizen	you get them free at the WUC and the various trade shows we attend	00:38
@rizen	or you can buy them at webguistore.com	00:38
@rizen	we gave out 1100 of them at OSCON this year: http://www.webgui.org/wg/promote/gooey-on-the-go/oscon-2008-colins-pictures	00:40
zylopfa	rizen do you know drupal?	00:40
@rizen	more pics: http://www.webgui.org/wg/promote/gooey-on-the-go/oscon-2008	00:41
@rizen	zylopfa: i know how to use it a little, but i've never programmed for it	00:41
zylopfa	There was a story in denmark about it, it was sending out cookies that made all visitors have full admin rights	00:42
zylopfa	it was to a news site	00:42
@rizen	we all have our security gaffs	00:43
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zylopfa	yeah	00:43
zylopfa	I need to learn how to make test suites also for my PayDriver modules	00:43
@rizen	early on in webgui's history there was a bug that if you did the right thing in exactly the right way, you could make all your pages editable by visitor, without even logging in	00:43
@rizen	there is a great testing chapter in the book you just bought...written by perlDreamer	00:44
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zylopfa	sweet rizen i saw about that, its good its first makes a statement about the code quality aspired by webguiteam	00:46
+perlDreamer	first?	00:47
* perlDreamer gulps		00:47
zylopfa	yeah more or less	00:47
+perlDreamer	I hope bopbop reviewed it very carefully	00:47
zylopfa	there is a little overview first	00:47
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, were the jokes too corny?	00:48
SnowWrite	Hi, I wanted to introduce myself :)	00:48
Mech4221	oh god	00:48
* Mech4221 runs		00:48
zylopfa	haah no perlDreamer it was good	00:48
SnowWrite	LOL get back here	00:48
Mech4221	I dun wanna!	00:48
zylopfa	I think it was expensive for euro-people	00:48
zylopfa	but its well worth it anyway for me	00:48
Mech4221	Umm - this is my partner (in crime?) SnowWrite	00:49
zylopfa	Greetings SnowWrite	00:49
Mech4221	she does our skinning and project management stuff	00:49
SnowWrite	hi zylopfa :-)	00:49
@rizen	Welcome SnowWrite	00:49
Mech4221	and training, and everything else that doesn't involve a power cord	00:49
+perlDreamer	Mech4221, what's your company called?	00:49
Mech4221	C Squared Tech - http://www.csquaredtech.com	00:49
SnowWrite	oh bleah.. don't look at our website yet	00:49
SnowWrite	noooo	00:49
Mech4221	Ha!	00:50
Mech4221	Now you _have_ to update the dam site :-P	00:50
SnowWrite	I'm updating it darnit.. lol	00:50
+perlDreamer	That's one way to motivate your graphics designer	00:50
SnowWrite	actually I'm not the designer.. I do the templating :-) we hired someone..and I haven't finished the template yet	00:50
@rizen	Plone!	00:50
* SnowWrite blushes		00:50
SnowWrite	totally LOL	00:50
@rizen	Mech4221: you said you're evalling webgui, but i've seen you in the channel before...how long have you been evalling?	00:51
Mech4221	rizen: on and off for about 2 weeks now..	00:51
* SnowWrite has been doing Plone for 8 years		00:51
* SnowWrite is ready for a change		00:51
* perlDreamer is stuck using Plone for $dayJob		00:52
Mech4221	rizen: I was supposed to do a 'toy project' in webgui last weekend to play with macros, assets, etc -but I got hammered with other work	00:52
zylopfa	My company "under development site" is this: http://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/	00:52
+perlDreamer	It sucks	00:52
SnowWrite	which version perlDreamer?	00:52
Mech4221	rizen: but I've spent about 40+ hours reading, googling and watching the videos	00:52
* SnowWrite is interested in the skinning aspect of WebGui		00:52
Mech4221	perlDreamer: Really? How would you compare webgui to plone ?	00:52
SnowWrite	and of course the stuffed Gooey too	00:53
+perlDreamer	Mech4221: It's just as a user. I have no idea how to check the version.	00:53
Mech4221	perlDreamer: ahh - plone 2.X had a pretty abstruse programming model - very steep learning curve (the 'Z' shaped learning curve)	00:54
Mech4221	perlDreamer: plone 3.X is a lot cleaner - but still lots of 'magic' to it	00:54
zylopfa	perlDreamer, i need your opinion	00:54
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+perlDreamer	lay it on me, zylopfa	00:54
SnowWrite	/me must go for a bit..	00:54
zylopfa	My PayDriver for this danish provider has 2 ways to do it	00:54
* SnowWrite will be back		00:54
zylopfa	one where the data it sends back is just as is	00:54
zylopfa	and one where the data is send +a signature of the fields + a codeword only it know (its sha256 hashed)	00:55
zylopfa	I am going to make the sha512 version only	00:55
Mech4221	ok..gotta run to the office...bbl	00:55
zylopfa	so my PayDriver has it as default, well only that	00:55
zylopfa	cause its just a "password key" you have to put in the providers admin area	00:56
zylopfa	and its so much more safe	00:56
zylopfa	So I deny my users of the module to use the unsafe way	00:56
+perlDreamer	that's not a problem	00:56
zylopfa	Is it good or bad, or should i provide both methods?	00:56
zylopfa	Its no extra effort on the user, its 1 extra field in the gw-system to fill in	00:57
+perlDreamer	Is the communication with the gateway over SSL?	00:57
zylopfa	no, the gw handle all the sensitive data on their site	00:57
zylopfa	and they post back to me	00:57
zylopfa	its in clear text	00:57
zylopfa	the postback is status of the transaction and that sorts	00:58
+perlDreamer	in that case, I would definitely use the more secure method	00:58
zylopfa	yeah	00:58
+perlDreamer	so that people can't probe your site by pushing data back at you.	00:58
zylopfa	indeed	00:58
zylopfa	They also highly reccomend the safe way	00:58
zylopfa	dont know why they support the other way though as they are the clearing-house of payments for all banks in denmark	00:59
@rizen	SnowWrite: there are basically only 5 things you need to know to do a skin for WebGUI	00:59
+perlDreamer	Mech4221, I have only used Plone as a user, not as a programmer.	00:59
zylopfa	but ofc its not their ass getting burnt if someone post back to my site	00:59
@rizen	SnowWrite: two template variables <tmpl_var head.tags> (goes in the head block) and <tmpl_var body.content> (goes where you want the content to appear)	00:59
+perlDreamer	but the user interface for WebGUI is way better	00:59
+perlDreamer	summed up in this statement: 1-click file downloads	01:00
@rizen	SnowWrite: and 3 macros: ^AdminBar; (right after the body tag), ^AssetProxy(); and ^FileUrl(); to place images, snippets, and other assets in your style	01:00
zylopfa	Thanks a lot for your help this day, i am nearly done with my Danish PayDriver cause of you all	01:04
zylopfa	Take care untill next time	01:04
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doc777	Hello friends. Anyone know if ^LastModified(,%y-%m-%dT%h:%n:%s+00:00); is broken? For me it always returns the same date which I think is the date the template was created...	01:20
Mech422	perlDreamer: the big 'problem' we have with Plone from the 'standard cms' side of stuff is the 'forced consistency'... Plone tries very hard to make sites totally consistent from a design standpoint. That really doesn't work for anything except very large sites. Most of our clients have 'exceptions' to their design - "We want all pages to have this banner, _except_ page foo - which should have some other banner"...	01:29
Mech422	perlDreamer: so you end up having to 'fight the system' to do stuff	01:29
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Mech422	perlDreamer: on the plus side - the 'portlets' system is very nice for setting up 'side-bars' on sites.	01:30
Mech422	an interesting note: Plone is a 'page based' system, as opposed to an 'element based' system like webGui - there is a content type called 'collage' which allows a sort of element based page construction, and there seems to be some interest in making it part of the core. So plone may move to a more element based setup in the future	01:32
doc777	Is there a way to make ^LastModified(tmpl_var page.url); return the modified date of the page you pass it? I seem to be thinking it does something it does not ;-)	01:37
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@Haarg	now with the macro as it exists now	01:51
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@Haarg	err, not with the macro as it exists now	02:11
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+perlDreamer	doc777, you had a leading comma in your original question above	02:12
+perlDreamer	Mech422, you hit it on the head	02:12
+perlDreamer	I'm limited by the system.	02:12
+perlDreamer	and there doesn't seem to be a way to relax stuff	02:12
+perlDreamer	like in wG	02:12
+perlDreamer	you can choose what you put into the Rich Text Editor	02:13
+perlDreamer	what you filter, and so on	02:13
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Mech422	perlDreamer: there are ways around it - writing templates, etc - but honestly, if you need to fight with the system to accomplish the 'common case', why bother ?	02:17
Mech422	perlDreamer: also, the system requirements and performance no longer justified by the feature set. There are numerous frameworks/cms's now that provide a similiar level of functionality with faster performance and smaller footprint	02:18
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7904 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): fixed: anonymous registration with email confirmation is broken	02:36
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7905 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #8790: email password recovery allows sending recovery mail to arbitrary address	02:36
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7906 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Submitting recurring events generates multiple version tags	02:36
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7907 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm t/Session/Url.t): only escape dangerous characters	02:36
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7908 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.26 release	02:36
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CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7909 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.26-stable: Release 7.5.26-stable	03:16
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7910 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.27 dev	03:16
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Mech422	hehe... I seem to have annoyed wreconsole - it just told me to 'stop dicking around!'	04:03
+Radix-wrk	heh	04:22
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BartJol	khenn, you know when the next beta is due?	15:43
@khenn	as in 7.7?	15:43
BartJol	no 7.6.1	15:44
@khenn	I would assume this week	15:47
@khenn	but I don't know	15:47
@khenn	ask Haarg	15:47
BartJol	ok	15:47
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SDuensin	FRIDAY!	16:15
BartJol	beer!	16:26
SDuensin	YES!	16:30
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BartJol	and caps lock key remove day maybe...	16:33
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miloidrr	Hi I've seen the Bazzar in Plain Black, there is news organized in diffrent categories: Most Downloaded, Highly Rated, Most Visited. Someone knows how can i do to sort the post of a CS like this	17:04
+MrHairgrease	miloidrr: you can't	17:05
+MrHairgrease	tha bazaar is not a CS	17:05
+MrHairgrease	it's an seperate asset	17:05
@rizenisaway	miloidrr: me thinks you want the story manager: http://www.webgui.org/webgui/roadmap	17:06
zylopfa	wtf i got a segmentation fault upon starting apache :O never seen that before. Worked second restart though	17:07
@rizenisaway	why are you breaking apache into pieces zylopfa	17:07
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zylopfa	hah its my PayDriver	17:08
zylopfa	I am making it into recurring payment now	17:08
zylopfa	Think apache just got stressed	17:08
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zylopfa	My payment gateway dont handle anything recurring, only a flag you set in the payment form	17:08