WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-09.log

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SynQhi there00:26
SynQthe airport has a fine network connection00:26
SynQno one00:51
SynQI just paid 6 dollar to irc with you guys ;)00:51
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@perlmonkey2wuc wuc wuc17:09
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@perlmonkey2No labor day fun for you!17:43
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* rizen warms branding iron17:56
@perlmonkey2I've thought that instead of having a large JS lib that looks for new HTML returned from an AJAX call and makes the appropriate JS calls, to having a data member returned form JS calls that is simply eval'd.  Anyone have any thoughts on using JS eval?  18:12
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+MrHairgreaseThe DIF is home18:39
+MrHairgreaseplease tell the hotel bar they should stop stock piling Spotted Cow18:39
@perlmonkey2How was the trip back?18:40
+MrHairgreasefairly ok18:41
@perlmonkey2good good18:41
+MrHairgreasejust cramped18:41
+MrHairgreaseI just slept for about 4 hours or so18:41
+MrHairgreaseso I'm fasing into the eurotrash timezone already18:41
@perlmonkey2could be worse I suppose.18:42
@perlmonkey2Your graphing asset was a big hit at the wuc.18:43
@perlmonkey2Very cool18:43
+MrHairgreaseok cool18:43
+MrHairgreaseI thought it was okay18:43
+MrHairgreasebut not as good as the acme presentation last year18:43
@perlmonkey2ah, I didn't see that.18:44
+MrHairgreaseif you do things to JT's mugshot you score easily with the audience anyway18:44
+MrHairgreasewhich I don't mind at all=)18:44
@perlmonkey2Hah, yeah, even JT thought that was good.18:45
+MrHairgreaseDid the surveys tell that btw?18:45
+MrHairgreaseor is it your opinion?18:45
@perlmonkey2I wouldn't be the one to ask about survey results, but from general PB talk after the event, your asset was a hit.18:46
+MrHairgreaseOk cool18:46
+MrHairgreaseI liked colins webgui programming mistakes talk a lot18:46
@perlmonkey2Yes, very useful.18:46
+MrHairgreasewinning a beer was the cherry on the cake18:46
@perlmonkey2Probably should be a seminar.  18:46
@perlmonkey2You just liked it cause you hauled in a huge score.18:47
+MrHairgreaseThat, and I like interactive sessions18:47
+MrHairgreaseI think we need more of those next year somehow18:47
@perlmonkey2It also makes it much easier on the presenter.18:48
+MrHairgreaseI'm not sure about that18:48
+MrHairgreasefor instance colin's talk must have cost him a lot of time to prepare18:48
+MrHairgreaseand you'll have to be able to get your audience participating18:49
@perlmonkey2Yeah, would probably only work in presentations where the presenter has a 'hook' to get the audience going.18:49
+MrHairgreaseThat only works if you get the subject of the talk just right.18:49
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doc777Hey everyone. I have a strange issue with httpproxy... integrating a help desk into site using httpproxy works great... until a page has <input type=file>  Then the page turns blank and displays nothing ;)   19:14
doc777I do not see anything in any of the log files but something certainly happens.  Does webgui block file attachments in httpproxy?19:15
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@perlmonkey2Why would testEnvironment say that Archive::Zip is not installed when it is installed (x64 though)?20:11
+MrHairgreasedid you use setEnve first?20:11
+MrHairgreaseotherwise i dunno20:12
@perlmonkey2I'm not using the WRE.  Can't seem to get WRE 8.3/4 to work with the Survey2 branch anymore.20:12
@perlmonkey2weird lib errors.  Oh well, who wants to code when sys admining is so much more fun :)20:13
+MrHairgreasemaybe it's the wrong version?20:13
@perlmonkey2guess I better stop whining and go find out what's wrong.20:14
@perlmonkey2is there a problem with wre8.4 not having DBD::Mysql and not being able to install it?20:23
@rizennot that i'm aware of20:24
@perlmonkey2That is certainly not a module that the WRE should be missing.  But no matter how many times I blow away the wre dir, re-untar it and . setenv it is missing.  And then it fails to make.  20:26
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@perlmonkey2Has anyone had the 8.4 wre use up all available memory when starting mod_perl on x64 redhat?01:06
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+cap10morganHas the EventsCalendar asset been removed? (as of 7.5.21)01:09
@preactioncap10morgan, the old one, yes01:16
+cap10morganreplaced by event management system?01:17
+cap10morganor calendar?01:17
@preactionreplaced by Calendar01:18
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+cap10morganok, thanks01:22
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7389 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: set a default parameter hashref if none is passed to the set method of Workflow::Instance04:44
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+Radix-wrkHmm.. Google Chrome looks very interesting - http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA35,M105:35
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7390 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: 06:18
CIA-39WebGUI: Fix a bug in the delete method, execute is passed an array ref.06:18
CIA-39WebGUI: Update POD about constructors/instanciators.06:18
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SynQgood night to you all :)11:57
SynQthe webgui.org is a lot faster today then it was last week :)12:16
SynQI'm really pleased with that12:16
BartJolprobably there were too many users constantly logged in :)12:17
BartJolor do we host the site now?12:17
SynQno we don't12:25
SynQI think someone has tuned it :)12:25
BartJolah, has been to a certain presentation :)12:26
SynQhow is your jet lag?12:26
BartJolwell, I overslept today for a bit, but now I feel fine12:27
BartJoland you, had a nice meeting yesterday?12:27
SynQno meeting12:28
SynQI called to cancel it12:28
SynQI got up quite in time today12:28
SynQnow I have to go and provision for our baby12:28
SynQI'll be back12:28
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snapcountmad props to you guys on the JT for President bit16:29
snapcountthat made me lol repeatedly16:29
@khennit was pretty funny16:29
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+snapcountthat news video had me going till the end16:29
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@perlmonkey2Is a graphic module required in <HEAD>?16:39
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@perlmonkey2http://pastebin.com/d5ba13b0e    Does that make sense to anyone?  That is the error message I get right before modperl uses up all memory crashing the machine.  I've replicated this on two redhat machines now using wre8.3?4  and <HEAD>.  The complaint appears to be that Image::Magick is not installed but perl -MImage::Magick says it broken: http://pastebin.com/d4b9fb49216:51
@perlmonkey2So does this mean that Image::Magick is broken on RH/Fedora?16:51
ckotilim using image magick on RHEL516:53
@perlmonkey2ckotil: So not the WRE?16:53
ckotilnope. from source16:53
knowmadperlmonkey2: does the Magick.so file exist at that path?16:54
@perlmonkey2knowmad: I guess I should probably check :D16:54
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perlmonkey21knowmad: Yes, that lib is there.  Not sure what that tells me17:01
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knowmadperlmonkey2: it tells you the reason for the error message is not that the file was removed; have you tried doing a force re-install of PerlMagick?17:44
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@perlmonkey2knowmad: yes, and it fails to build in the wre17:50
@perlmonkey2Best as I can tell, this is the wrong version of the .so17:52
xdangeris there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ?17:52
xdangerI really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl17:53
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xdangerrizen: you just missed my question =)17:54
xdanger17:52 < xdanger> is there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ?17:54
xdanger17:53 < xdanger> I really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl17:54
@rizenerrors don't have urls17:55
xdangerI have some page that generates a error (I think there is a old sql-macro somewhere) but I can't seem to find it17:56
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xdangerI meant that if the error is generated in request, the url of the request could be found easyly17:57
@rizennope, there's no way to do that17:59
@rizenat least not any way that i'm aware of17:59
@rizenis it a macro that you know the name of ?17:59
@rizenis it ^SQL();17:59
@rizenif so, that's easily found17:59
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xdangercould be... but I have some errors sometimes that I wish could be quickly found with the url in the error message (like in apache log)18:01
xdangerbut if the error is only warn, it doesn't print in to the modperl.error.log18:01
xdangerrizen: maybe I could appedn $self->session->url->getRequestedUrl(); to error messages in Session/ErrorHandles.pm?18:03
@rizenyou could for all but fatals18:04
@rizencuz there's not necessarily a session on fatals18:05
xdangeryep, I only need warn at the moment18:07
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xdangeris there a problem using:  $message .= " url:".$self->session->env->get("REQUEST_URI"); ?18:17
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@preactionhowdy yourself!18:51
+MrHairgreas1is the weather in Madison still as nice?18:52
+MrHairgreas1It's generic Dutch weather over here18:52
@preactionit was pretty nice the other day, seems nice outside today too18:52
@preactionhard to tell in my living room, sky always looks hazy from my living room (i suspect the windows haven't been cleaned in a few decades)18:53
@rizenstill sunny and nice in madtown today18:53
+MrHairgreas1maybe I should return then...18:54
SDuensinHey rizen - I like the new Bizarre Bizarre.18:54
@rizenthanks SD18:54
@rizeni hope the rest of the community finds it useful as well18:54
+MrHairgreas1you mean the Bizarre as in the Bazaar with Kinky Items on it?18:54
SDuensinMrHairgreas1 - WHERE'S THAT!?  Damn!  I missed it!18:55
SDuensinrizen - I jumped right on and updated my useless macro entry.  :-)18:55
+MrHairgreas1I think it was the special after hours session at the wuc18:55
SDuensinWell, hell, you didn't tell me about THAT session!18:55
+MrHairgreas1Why would you wanna know?18:55
+MrHairgreas1You didn't attend anyway18:55
SDuensinMay have changed my mind.  :-P18:56
+MrHairgreas1all I can say18:56
+MrHairgreas1It involved spotted cows18:56
SDuensinUh.  Maybe we have different ideas of Bizarre. 18:56
+MrHairgreas1maybe not18:57
@preactionwere there also fat squirrels?18:57
+MrHairgreas1it more 'nice' than bizarre18:57
+MrHairgreas1i didn't have any18:57
+MrHairgreas1only cows for me18:57
+MrHairgreas1an a few butts18:58
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estivenI have a problem with my users.....19:03
+MrHairgreas1who hasn't =)19:04
estivenand i need delete all... exept the admin user...19:04
estivenhow i can do that..?19:04
@preactionfrom the front-end you can delete one at a time19:04
@preactionyou could use the UserList asset to make delete links for a lot of users19:05
+MrHairgreas1the quick way is by removing all entries from the users and authentication tables19:05
+MrHairgreas1as well as19:05
@preactionyou could write a utility script that can delete all the users you don't want19:05
+MrHairgreas1the profileData tables19:05
@preactiongroupings, userProfileData, userLoginLog19:05
+MrHairgreas1and you'll have to take into account grouping as well\19:05
+MrHairgreas1a utility script would be best19:06
+MrHairgreas11) do a query on the users table to fetch all id's19:06
+MrHairgreas12) do a foreach on those id's19:06
+MrHairgreas1for every id matching a 22 character guid do19:07
+MrHairgreas1WebGUI::User->new($session, $id)->delete;19:07
+MrHairgreas1that would do your stuff19:07
+MrHairgreas1please check out the pod of WG::User19:07
@preactionyeah, make sure you don't get uid "1" and uid "3"19:07
@preactionbut ->delete() wouldn't allow you to delete those anyway19:08
+MrHairgreas1hmm =)19:09
estivenjeje yes19:09
+MrHairgreas1i see19:09
+MrHairgreas1just use _utility.skeleton (or something like that) in sbin to start with.19:09
estivenOk, I try to do it19:10
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juansometimes my  webgui.log is show me the next error:20:25
juani have tried to fix it but i don't know what is it about?20:25
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7391 /experimental/Bazaar/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Sku/BazaarItem.pm Wobject/Bazaar.pm): 20:28
CIA-39WebGUI: moved keywords20:28
CIA-39WebGUI: fixed problem with comments deleting20:28
juanthose are 2 errors20:31
+MrHairgreas1juan: you probably have too many inodes in your cache folder20:32
+MrHairgreas1that's what the Too many links thing means if i'm correct20:32
+MrHairgreas1try to purge your cache for that site20:33
+MrHairgreas1that shoudl help20:33
juanhow can I do that?20:34
+MrHairgreas1In your admin console there's an option caching20:35
+MrHairgreas1or just rm it by hand20:35
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+MrHairgreas1rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache/www.colegiosvirtuales.com.conf/20:35
+MrHairgreas1i'd try the admin console first 20:36
jlittlewoodhi folks. has anyone tried to tackle the bug with export tab delimited not working in 7.5.2120:36
juanhow can avoid it?20:37
+MrHairgreas1juan: you can't really20:37
@Haargyes jlittlewood, i have a patch for it20:37
jlittlewoodcash money20:37
+MrHairgreas1it's a problem with how FileCache writes it's stuff to disk20:37
jlittlewoodhaarg: can you send it my way or is it up somewhere?20:37
+MrHairgreas1I think there's an workflow in there somewhere that cleans it out for you20:38
@Haargi don't have it out anywhere yet, just a sec20:38
@Haargjlittlewood, https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm?rev1=7391;rev2=7392;mime=text/plain20:41
jlittlewoodhaarg: awesome. thanks. any tips/instructions on applying this patch? (I've never done that before -- might end up being totally out of my league, but you never know.)20:43
@Haargin this case it's simple enough you may want to just do it by hand20:44
@Haargif you downloaded that, then ran "patch /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm < patchfile", it should work20:46
jlittlewoodhaarg: great. Do you know if this will go into 7.5.22?20:51
@Haargit will20:52
jlittlewoodhaarg: thanks again.20:53
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7392 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work21:07
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7393 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl): fixed: Some templates ship with isPublic=121:07
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@perlmonkey2Anyone see a bug reported on Workflow being broken?22:10
@preactionperlmonkey2, no22:11
@perlmonkey2On two machines now using [HEAD] I've had the same error.  One machine using source the other the WRE.22:12
@perlmonkey2no idea if it is me or my setup though.22:12
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@perlmonkey2This ring a bell with anyone?  2008/09/02 14:30:53 - ERROR - www.survey.com.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance '6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 33422:31
xdangerwebgui's admin interface on google chrome is blazingly fast =)22:33
topsubxdanger do you have it for ubuntu or windows?22:35
topsubSeems its only for windows?22:35
xdangerwindows for the moment22:35
xdangerbut if you like you can build it from the source: http://code.google.com/chromium/22:36
@preactionperlmonkey2, yes. a tag got deleted before spectre could get to it. try restarting spectre?22:37
xdangertopsub: quite simple how-to: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux22:37
@perlmonkey2preaction: same error even after restarting22:46
@perlmonkey2I'll blow away this DB instance and see if that resolves things22:46
@perlmonkey2preaction: I just blew away the DB, recreated, restarted everything, and am getting the same error.22:54
@preactionperlmonkey2, same instance ID? 6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g22:54
@perlmonkey2preaction: well no, it looks like none of the workflows are being ran22:55
@perlmonkey2new ids on most of them22:55
@preactionmost or all?22:55
@preactionyou might want to check in the WorkflowInstance table. there's a "parameters" column that, for those instances, will have a tagId for a Version Tag. 22:56
@preactionfirst, check to see if the tagId exists in assetVersionTag and/or assetData22:56
@preactionnext, check to see if that tagId and/or the instanceId exists in create.sql22:56
@Haargthere shouldn't be any instances and only one tag in create.sql22:57
@Haargif that ever isn't the case then i screwed something up22:57
@perlmonkey2preaction: the parameters column is an empty json struct22:58
@perlmonkey2empty hash22:59
@preactionthen you can safely delete those instances from the WorkflowInstance table and restart spectre22:59
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7394 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work22:59
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7395 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.5.22.pl): fixed: Some templates ship with isPublic=122:59
@perlmonkey2Okay, fresh db creation, just ran upgrade on it.  Shoudl be completely clean.  I'm going to edit an article and save it.  And 100-1 it throws the workflow error.23:02
@perlmonkey2The worldflow instance is paramaters:{}23:03
juani have many posts in a CS23:14
juani want to send the link to a friend23:14
juanis there a macro to detect the current url for a thread?23:15
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miloidrrHi I have a question about cs23:32
miloidrrI have a data form in a pl, in a cs templete im calling the data form with a ^AssetProxy macro23:33
miloidrrThis form send the post to the user friends23:34
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miloidrrCan i put templates variables in the value of filds to catch the URL?23:34
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elninoHi All!  Hope you all had a create Labor Day weekend. Great WUC!!!  Out of curiousity, are there downloads from the workshop? (tuesday/wednesday)00:25
knowmadHi elnino. Yeah, that was a great WUC this year.00:34
+MrHairgreas1it sure was00:35
+MrHairgreas1are there any photos yet?00:36
+MrHairgreas1they seemed to have disappered from the wuc photo section00:36
elninofor those who missed it, you missed out. It was a bummer I missed tuesday/wednesday00:36
elninoknowmad: It was nice meeting you and DK. And maybe I met MrHairgreas1, but I don't know =)00:37
+MrHairgreas1me neither00:37
elninodid you teach any of the presentations?00:38
+MrHairgreas1I'm one of the dutch guys00:38
elninowell there's 14 of you..  wasn't there?00:38
+MrHairgreas1the presentation on the Graphing Plugins00:38
+MrHairgreas1the pretty one00:38
elninoYes, I was in your class, that was pretty funny - very well done!00:38
+MrHairgreas1Then we've probably met =)00:39
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+MrHairgreas1hehe, who are you if I may ask?00:39
elninoI was the one that showed up with a baby in hand at the end of the day friday - if you were a around. I dont' know if I actually intro'd myself. 00:41
+MrHairgreas1I was there but it doesn't ring bells00:41
+MrHairgreas1oh well, the wuc was cool00:42
@bopbopMrHairgreas1: the wuc photos for this year are out there: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/photos00:45
+MrHairgreas1that's where I looked, but there are no photos at all anymore over there00:45
+MrHairgreas1not even those of previous wucs00:46
elninoconfimed, just white space.00:46
+MrHairgreas1are they perhaps moved to a gallery somewhere?00:47
elninoI'm using ff 2.0 and IE - so it doesn't appear to be a broswer issue.00:47
@Haarglooks like a permissions problem00:50
@preactionit might be on purpose, JT was saying there were some performance issues with the thumbnails and slideshow pages00:51
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@Haargshould be viewable now00:57
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SynQ2good day to you01:08
+MrHairgreas1haarg: it works01:21
+MrHairgreas1a tad slow indeed01:22
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CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7396 /branch/doug-experimental/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: finished DataTable work. just need to add WebGUI.i18n JS interface05:18
topsubwhere can i see mysql errors?05:19
topsubi can't get mysql to start for some reason and not sure where to go from here05:19
topsubis there a way i can kiill mysql or something?05:19
@rizenin /data/wre/var/mysqldata/HOSTNAME.err05:20
topsubwhen i try to start mysql i get "kill: 409: No such process" what is it doing? besides not starting05:24
@rizenit's spitting out an error message that reads: "kill: 409: No such process"05:25
topsubdoes this mean mysql is already running but wre doesn't know that?05:26
@rizenno it just means "kill: 409: No such process"05:26
@rizeni have no idea what that means though05:26
@rizenother than that mysql isn't starting =)05:26
topsubso its trying to kill 409 but there is no process05:26
@rizen2 things you should check05:26
topsubhmm  when i do "top"i see a "mysqld" and mysqld_safe"05:27
@rizen1) ps aux|grep mysql05:27
@rizensee what mysql processes are running and kill them05:27
@rizen2) look in /data/wre/var/mysqldata and see if there is a .pid file05:27
@rizenif there is, deleted it05:27
topsubwhen i run the ps aux |grep mysql i get a list.. so i do a sudo kill #### then the pid number05:35
topsubthey seem to come right back05:35
@rizenkill -9 ####05:35
@rizenthe -9 means kill unconditionally05:35
@rizenkill ruthlessly05:35
@rizenmurder that process where it stands05:36
@rizenso i'm watching the republican national convention right now05:37
+Radix-wrkreiser style05:37
@rizenfred thompson gave an inspired speech05:37
khenn_I tivo'd it cause I got bored of watching veterans05:38
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@rizenbut i'm noticing one huge difference compared to last weeks democratic convention05:38
@rizenhardly anybody looks happy05:38
@rizenvery few people are smiling05:38
@khennI'm noticed that there are not as many people05:38
@rizenmost just look mad05:38
@khennbut maybe cause it was early05:39
@rizenyeah, the upper decks are mostly empty05:39
@khennso thompson was worth hearing?05:39
@rizenhis speechifying was good05:40
topsubalright so i killed all mysql stuff and removed all the pids05:40
@rizenbut his message was mostly smoke blowing05:40
@rizenbut he was WAY WAY WAY better than laura bush05:41
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topsubthanks rizen finally got mysql starting again05:52
topsubdon't know what happen05:52
@rizentopsub, try not sucking so much05:53
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@rizenthat usually helps me05:53
topsublol hey hey... make software that works!05:54
topsubauto fixing software would be pimp05:54
@rizenwhat are you complaining about05:55
@rizenit wasn't my software that wasn't working05:55
@rizenit was mysql05:55
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+Radix-wrkHmm.. tinymce editor in my version of webgui doesn't seem to like the new Google Chrome browser - doesn't open at all06:21
+Radix-wrkSeems to work on the current beta tho06:22
+Radix-wrkmaybe it's time for me to look at upgrading our 7.0.8 webgui06:23
@rizen7.0 is pretty old by now06:24
+Radix-wrkyeah, we just haven't needed to change06:25
+Radix-wrkeverything works so well as is06:26
@rizenwebgui 7.0 is pretty good06:27
@rizenso many shiny new features in 7.5 though06:27
@preactionlike the TinyMCE 3.0 series!06:28
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wgGuest27Hello, any news about when WRE 0.8.5 will be released?12:27
BartJolhaven't heard any plans for it12:29
wgGuest27after WUC there was going to be a 0.8.5. version.. to fix 0.8.412:30
BartJolooh, then it might be soon12:33
BartJolI'm not sure, I've heard a planning for WebGUI itself12:33
BartJolbut, since those bugs were quite serious I do suspect that it might be soon12:34
wgGuest27I'll check the site end of the week and we'll see ;-)12:36
BartJolthat might be best12:36
wgGuest27Something else:12:36
wgGuest27Is it convenient as welll for small sites to split mod_prox/perl and/or the db server? When it comes to performance? What would a bottleneck be?12:36
wgGuest27In other words, which part requires best hardware for best performance?12:37
BartJolwell, right now we have some sites which have all on the same server12:37
wgGuest27Guess mod_perl is on the third place?!?12:37
BartJolI'd think mod_proxy actually12:38
BartJolthat passes most stuff through to mod_perl as far as I know 12:38
wgGuest27ok.. 12:38
BartJolbu I guess that you can better combine both mod_perl and mod_proxy on 1 server12:39
BartJolif you have two12:39
BartJoland then the db on another12:39
BartJolbut that is the way I interpreted stuff12:40
wgGuest27You have a no. of sites on one server you say, since you do not require splitting, whats the size/traffic of a big site?12:43
wgGuest27Try to determine if is interessting at all to think about splitting WRE/DB...12:44
BartJolmmm, I'm not that specialised in those numbers, mostly doing WebGUI support, but try to work myself up to ubernerd :)12:44
BartJolwere you at the wuc?12:46
BartJolit was fun12:46
wgGuest27I mean sites like 1Gb, 5Gb, 10Gb or 100Gb traffic...?!?12:46
BartJolI have to look something up for that brb12:47
wgGuest27when a WUC is in Europe I'll consider there to go...12:47
wgGuest27ok tnx12:47
BartJolI see that for a fairly big site we have12:48
BartJol2GB ram12:48
BartJol2 Mbit traffic12:48
wgGuest27dedicated 2Mbit line?12:49
wgGuest27but monthly traffic for that site?12:49
BartJoloh, it actually two times that12:50
BartJoleeeh, starnge it isn't defined...12:50
BartJolfor a small site we have 10 GB12:51
BartJolwell the machines are virtual, I'm not sure whether the servers have a reservation for the traffic12:52
BartJolI think it's load balanced with the other VM's12:52
BartJolbut, not sure about that12:53
wgGuest27OK tnx12:54
SynQsales :)12:54
wgGuest27I'll first buy one server then we'll see...12:55
BartJolaaaah it's him12:55
BartJolwell, I leave it to you SynQ12:55
SynQwgGuest27: you want to rent some server space from us?12:55
wgGuest27Well the plan is to have our own server here...12:57
wgGuest27we'll get fiber soon12:57
SynQwhere is here?12:57
SynQAh nice12:57
SynQwould you like to buy some assistance from us installing and configuring your setup?12:57
SynQfor example I think you would most definately benifit from a separate database and modperl server12:58
SynQbut you could also virtualize that on one box12:58
SynQin two virtual instances12:58
wgGuest27But isn't the splitting benefit away then...?!? separate hardware..12:59
SynQno it isn't12:59
SynQsince splitting it makes it much more easy to manage13:00
wgGuest27So the DB server is requiring most.. besides mod_perl&proxy?13:00
SynQyes and no13:00
SynQwgGuest27: I have to go, lunch is calling13:00
wgGuest27me too13:01
SynQwhat is your name?13:01
wgGuest27back at 130013:01
SynQI have got work to do after 13:0013:01
wgGuest27My wg-name is Jmack..13:02
SynQah ok13:02
SynQmine is koen13:02
SynQadd me as a friend on webgui.org13:02
SynQand we can e-mail about it13:02
wgGuest27Ok, I'll check out how that works...!13:03
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patspamSynQ: when are you going to get some servers here in Australia, I'd love to outsource my hosting ;)14:06
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patspamI'm seeing 'ap_get_server_banner() not available' errors from apache with wre 0.8.4. is that part of known bugs to be fixed in 0.8.5?14:11
patspamthe full error is: ap_get_server_banner() not available until httpd/2.2.4 falling back to ap_get_server_version() at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux/XSLoader.pm line 94.14:17
BartJolwell if there isn't a bu report on that, you should make one14:23
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BartJolhow was your trip?14:23
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patspami lied, it was only 14.5hrs from LAX to sydney14:32
patspambut it was still less than fun14:32
BartJolwell 7.5 hours was enough for me too14:32
SynQ2I am looking into a very strange thing14:56
SynQ2in the requesttracker14:57
SynQ2a karma rank is displayed14:57
SynQ2but it is displayed as a float with 6 numbers after the .14:57
SynQ2I want to display only the integer part of that float14:57
SynQ2but only in displaying the amount of karma14:58
SynQ2how do I find out where the karma rank is being constructed in the code?14:58
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BartJola wait, let me read15:04
BartJolyou mean in the webgui.org?15:04
BartJolah, wait15:05
BartJolwhat site?15:05
BartJolI think it is a template var in the CS15:07
BartJolit's tmpl_var karmaRank15:10
BartJolhow surprising15:10
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SynQ2yes I know15:15
SynQ2but it displays the karma like this: 0.00000015:15
SynQ2instead of just 015:15
BartJolit's in the db in the thread15:15
SynQ2there is an RFE for it15:16
BartJolI see15:17
BartJolin the db you can set the karmaRank Type to a float 11,015:18
SynQ2the 6 trailing zero's do not make it much clearer15:18
SynQ2what table?15:18
BartJolinstead of 11,615:18
BartJolsorry for giving you all info you already know, but, I also have to analyse the problem15:20
BartJollet meknow whether it works15:21
SynQ2but that is not what I want15:22
SynQ2I only want to display it as an int15:22
SynQ2but still want to keep it as a float in the database15:22
SynQ2so I want the value in the template to be formatted as an 11,0 or 11.615:22
SynQ211,6 even15:23
SynQ2I have added a comment to the RFE15:26
BartJolok, I will look into the thread code15:26
SynQ2now how is a template processed?15:26
SynQ2perhaps the webgui developers book says something about that15:26
BartJolplease read your docs:15:32
BartJolMySQL allows a non-standard syntax:       FLOAT(M,D)       or       REAL(M,D)       or DOUBLE       PRECISION(M,D).       Here,       "(M,D)"       means than values can be stored with up to       M digits in total, of which       D digits may be after the decimal       point. For example, a column defined as       FLOAT(7,4) will look like       -999.9999 when displayed. MySQL performs       rounding when storing values, so if you insert       915:32
BartJoloh sorry15:32
BartJolje suis stupid15:32
BartJolbut it might not matter anyway, if the karmaRank is calculated (it's only a division) everytime from the total amount of karma, the storing with more digits is irrelevant15:35
BartJolI understand that it differs, if you mean to show them on differnt places with different amount of digits15:37
BartJolso it might still be preferable to be able to include it in a tmp_var15:38
SynQ2but how do I change the way it is displayed in the template?15:42
SynQ2what code do I have to edit to make available a karmaRankInteger for example?15:42
BartJolif you want that (for a custom site), I think at the moment it is the easiest to write a macro that gets the karmaScale and karma, divide thse and give it as the output you want15:42
SynQ2I want it done generically15:42
BartJolI'm looking... might take a minute15:45
@khennjust make a macro that rounds the number ...15:47
@khennprobably 1 liner15:47
@khennyou could also do it with JavaScript if you were so inclined15:48
@khennvar karmaRank = document.getElementById("karmaRank").value + 0;15:49
BartJolkhenn, he just tries to push me to learn more :)15:49
BartJolmmm I would expect it in sub view in Thread.pm16:03
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BartJolbut I don't see it16:27
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BartJolSynQ2 I did found out that the Rank is indeed reevaluted each time the karma gets updates16:36
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BartJoland will be $karma/$karmaScale16:36
BartJolthe new karma that is16:36
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BartJoljoh, SynQ2, lost interest?16:52
@khennanyone know why the SQL module is manually building references in buildArrayRefOfHashRefs, etc instead of using the built in DBI modules ($dbh->selectall_arrayref, etc)?16:59
@rizenprobably because whoever wrote it didn't look at that17:01
@khenndo you have an objection to me "fixing" it?17:02
SynQ2no I didn't lose interest17:02
@khennI'm guessing the DBI modules are faster17:02
@khennbut I should probably benchmark it to be safe17:02
SynQ2I allready saw that indeed $karma/$karmaScale17:02
@rizenprovided that it produces the exact same data structure, then no i don't17:02
BartJolok, then I will continue17:02
SynQ2but that is not what I want to know17:02
BartJolI knpow17:02
@khennyeah it does17:02
SynQ2I want to know how a template variable can be created17:02
@khennit's actually really powerful17:02
SynQ2so that a separate template variable can be created that is called karmaRankInteger17:03
@khennso I'd like to add another module that allows you to  specify DBI attributes as well17:03
@preactionthe selectall_* methods are a recent (last 5 years) addition to DBI17:03
@preactionmainly because everyone was doing WebGUI::SQL around its clunky prepare, execute, fetch* crap17:03
@khennso are the build**RefOf**Refs modules17:03
SynQ2rizen: we are getting there in converting .avi to .flv and .mov17:04
@khennI want to benchmark them17:04
@khennbefore I do anything17:04
@khenncan also do some advanced error handling with those17:04
@khennI'll get back to you on results17:04
BartJolSynQ2 I understand, well I know how to create a template var, but to do it genericly from the float might be some more difficult17:06
@rizenSynQ2: huh?17:06
SynQ2bart: I would say that how a template var is created would be written somewhere in the developer book17:06
SynQ2and I don't have that book here17:06
BartJolwell, it's not in the index17:06
SynQ2I wouldn't have guessed it was in the index17:07
SynQ2but surely you must know how the template system works before you can submit code to WebGUI17:07
SynQ2since it is a best practice to template everything17:07
BartJolwell, I'm working on it...17:09
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@khenngood morning!18:07
BartJolmorning? it's almost spotted cow time18:08
@khennI don't respect timezones of third world countries! =)18:09
BartJoloh, so you'll drink along with us18:09
BartJolit was toooo easy18:10
SynQ2it has been proven that the us is a third world country18:10
SynQ2if you go there you are not allowed to give blood for a few months18:11
SynQ2ask joeri18:11
@khennmonths only?18:11
@khennif you travel outside the US you can't give blood for a year!18:11
SynQ2what if you go back to the US?18:11
SynQ2can you give blood then?18:11
BartJolbut my leg begins to have a normal color again18:11
SynQ2bart had spotted leg18:12
@perlmonkey2too much spotted cow will do that.18:12
@khennthat's a side affect of spotted coww18:12
BartJolso last year I haven't drunk enough18:12
@khennand next year you'll drink more so you go home with spots all over!18:13
BartJolrather not18:13
SynQ2I second that18:13
BartJolI'm getting the idea that I am figuring the karmaRank out btw18:14
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@khennanyone try google chrome yet?18:16
@khennIt's not available for the mac18:17
@khennbut I installed it on windows18:17
BartJolI have it installed18:17
@perlmonkey2BartJol: is all the hype correct?18:17
@khennI can't decide if I like it or not18:17
BartJolbut I am still a bit base-stuck to ff18:17
@khennI'll use it once it comes out for Mac18:18
@khennand see if I like it better18:18
@perlmonkey2They'll need to have firebug, firegestures, and web dev plugins for chrome before I'd consider it.18:18
BartJolwell, I'm not sure what "all the hype" is18:18
BartJolyeah, some more plug-ins are usefull18:18
BartJolit does look clean and simple though18:18
@perlmonkey2BartJol: like firefox did when it first came out? :P18:18
BartJol:) something like that18:19
BartJolkan make a screenshot18:19
@perlmonkey2I'd like to see it.  But none of that Dutch spotted cow porn in the shot.18:19
BartJolperlmonkey2: Hairgrease here, what ar firegestures18:26
@preactionprobably mouse gestures for firefox18:26
@perlmonkey2BartJol: yes, what preaction said18:26
BartJolDon't call me Bart18:26
@preactionmove the mouse a certain way, and an action gets performed18:26
@perlmonkey2right click, draw a pattern and firefox does something (open a tab, switch tabs, whatever)18:26
BartJolIt's me MrHairgrease18:26
@perlmonkey2MrHairgrease doesn't autotab complete :p18:27
BartJolIt does on my box18:27
BartJolwhich MrHairgrease18:27
@perlmonkey2I fear to know what that does18:28
BartJolthat's prolly wise =)18:28
@preactionattempts to corner the market on hair-care products18:28
BartJolbut the chrome screenshot is now on www.bartjol.nl, just look at the capture filepile18:29
@perlmonkey2I see a Capture link, but it's of some goofy dork18:31
BartJolbut rendering is quite fast actually18:31
BartJoloh, sorry18:31
@perlmonkey2Yeah, the BMP loaded very fast18:31
@perlmonkey2must have a fast pipe18:32
@perlmonkey2or is that the standard upstream on a home connection in the Nehterlands?18:32
BartJoltry the some link again, this picture better?\18:33
@perlmonkey2In honor of Senator Ted Stevens, I think we should refer to 'pipe' as 'tubes', at least until he is safely locked away in federal prison :D18:33
@perlmonkey2did you commit, because I get the same image?18:34
BartJolversioning is off18:34
BartJolcache is empty now18:34
@perlmonkey2You are referring to the Capture_09032008 link below the front page image?18:35
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BartJolyour browser cache?18:36
BartJolworks for me18:36
@perlmonkey2oh, I see it now18:36
@perlmonkey2Does look very sharp18:36
BartJolfrom the dutch version of bigboobs.com18:36
BartJolwanna have the link?18:37
BartJolnow I deleted it18:37
BartJolthere is no porn allowed on the procolix machines18:37
@perlmonkey2You must work for a slave driver18:39
BartJolwell, I get payed, that's an essential difference18:40
BartJollet's not talk about the rest of the circumstances18:40
BartJoland don't mention the egg18:40
@perlmonkey2If an egg is ever involved it is always best not to duscuss it.18:41
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BartJolwell, I'm supposed to go and drink beer now18:51
SynQ2then go18:52
BartJolbut SynQ2, I'm a bit further in understanding, allthough that is not full yet, so you'll have to wait some longer18:52
BartJolalmost did a :wq on collaboration.pm18:53
BartJoldon't think I changed stuff, but those automitisms can't be good18:53
BartJolso maybe till tonight18:54
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elninohi!  are there any downloads frm the user workshops from the wuc available?19:22
snapcountthe presentation slides were up last week19:23
snapcountnot sure if they are still there19:23
elninoI saw the wuc/files - but they were all the thursday/friday conference ones.. Where there any from tuesday/wednesday?19:23
@rizenno 19:24
elninook.. thanks19:24
@rizenthere was almost 2 gigabytes of files for that19:24
@rizenso we didn't put it up19:24
elninooh. would it be possible to request them and have them emailed?19:24
elninomy users learned about and want to do banners on webgui - an area I'm totally unfamilier with. do I just give them ad manager permissions?19:25
@rizenwhat privileges you give them is up to you19:27
@rizenbut that will give them access to the ad manager19:27
@rizenthen they still have to have the rights to edit whatever theyw ant to put the ads on19:27
elninosure.  that's what I was looking for. I'm also assuming that advertising is for OTHER people to advertise on OUR site. They seem to want to put a banner on our own site, but to me that's the same as posting an image. So either they misunderstood, or I'm way off.. 19:28
kristielnino- they want to display rotating images using the ad system19:31
kristiI covered that with them19:31
kristiso they can rotate images of products that link to the products 19:31
SynQ2hi kristi19:31
kristihi SynQ219:32
elninooh ok. so it doesn't necessarily need to be ad space sold to a third party.19:32
kristielnino: they are understanding correctly, it's a great way to feature items on your site19:32
kristiwe do it on ours (PB) w the books and the WUC ad19:32
SynQ2kristi: how far do you live from Elk Grove Village, IL?19:33
elninokristi: are they expecting to be runningn 7.5? we currently only have
kristielnino: it will work in 7.4.4019:34
elninokristi: ok Thanks for clarifying!19:35
kristiSynQ2: about 2 hours19:35
SynQ2ah that is perfect19:35
SynQ2would Ryan be interested in a side job?19:36
SynQ2there is a data center over there in Elk Grove Village19:36
kristiand how could Ryan be of help?19:37
SynQ2the only thing he'd have to do is some hardware juggeling19:37
SynQ2placing servers and/or replacing failed hardware19:37
SynQ2not a really hard job19:37
SynQ2but you have to be strong and deligent :)19:37
kristiI'll send you his email19:38
kristias long as it's legal and fairly easy, he might be interested19:38
SynQ2legal and fairly decent sounds like an accurate description19:39
SynQ2It will have to be done by someone I can trust19:40
SynQ2and I trust Ryan19:40
kristiok, I'll send you his email19:40
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xootomhi, anyone know where i can download the If macro?19:43
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@preactionxootom, it might be in the bazaar, otherwise dunno19:46
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+perlDreamermighty quiet today19:59
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xootomlooks like If was discontinued for security20:01
xootomcan i use tmpl_if on an environment variable (Env macro)?20:01
+perlDreamerxootom, macros are evaluated last?  So probably no.20:02
xootomi'm trying to make it possible to login and register from the mobile version of a site, and as a site can only have one 'default template' and login/reg templates, i need them to detect for it being a mobile device and show different templates accordingly20:03
xootomso I created an environment variable in the modperl.conf of each site, setting 'mobile' to 0 or 1 depending on which site the user comes in on. ^Env can display this value.20:04
xootomwant to assetproxy in, or conditional, different templates into default/login/registration templates20:04
xootomeither based on the env value, or i guess if the url includes 'mobi' or something20:05
xootommaybe i could just risk it with the if macro20:05
+perlDreamerwell, again, I'm pretty sure that macros are evaluated last, which means that they template logic has already been executed by the time the macro is checked.  It would be too late.20:06
+perlDreamerIn other words, macros won't help you here.20:07
xootomI can put ^Env("mobile"); in the default template, it shows 1 or 0 correctly depending on the site I use20:07
+perlDreamersure, but try to say <tmpl_if ^Env("mobile"); >true<tmpl_else>false</tmpl_if>20:07
+perlDreamerI don't think it will work the same20:07
xootomyeah that doesn't work, does that only work on actual template variables.. perhaps i need to create a template variable for the mobile flag, but would rather not modify webgui core20:08
SynQ2mr. perlDreamer20:09
SynQ2how areth thou?20:09
+perlDreamerxootom, one way that may work is to "clone" your site using packages, but using different templates on the two sites.20:09
+perlDreamerbut that's a lot of work20:09
+perlDreamerSynQ2: I'm okay.20:09
xootomdo you mean two completely separate sites, different user bases etc?20:10
+perlDreamerIt could be done with different branches off of one site so you can share users and groups20:10
+perlDreamerI'd ask this question in the HTML Design forum on webgui.org20:10
xootomit's just the default template/login/registration though as they can only be specified once in the site settings20:11
xootomthe rest of the site is correctly set up with mobile templates20:11
+perlDreamerxootom, can you use CSS magic to handle the different browsers (regular vs mobile)?20:11
xootommaybe, the mobile pages would be very basic, a hack would be a massive dynamic javascript output if it's a desktop browser20:12
+perlDreameralternately, just make the login/registration template very simple so that it works in both places.20:13
xootomyes that was last resort, as it'd make those pages look so different from the desktop version20:13
xootomthanks for your help perlDreamer20:13
+perlDreameryou're welcome20:14
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+perlDreamerSynQ2: Good flight back home?20:16
SynQ2just a fair bit of turbulence20:18
+perlDreamerHas the Product Workflow RFE been rated yet?20:20
+perlDreamerAll the coding is done.20:20
@preactionperlDreamer, is that the one where the product is added to the cart?20:23
+perlDreamerpreaction: this is the workflow that checks to see if any product/variant is about to run out of stock.20:24
@preactionah, nice20:24
+perlDreamerEspecially since we fixed two Workflow bugs while writing the test for it.20:24
@preactionwhat were they? i've been having some workflow problems recently20:25
@preactionanything to do with workflow instances disappearing?20:25
+perlDreamerIt was difficult to create a Workflow instance programmatically20:26
+perlDreamerThe other one was a bug in Inbox/Message.pm20:26
@preactiondurn... looks like i'm still fishing then20:27
@preactionbut tests++!20:27
@preactionalso, log4perl is awesome when you have to add tons of logger messages to track down some intermittent bugs20:29
@perlmonkey2Hmm, Devel::StackTrace failed to install in Cent5.2 WRE8.420:40
@perlmonkey2cpan search for scalar::list::utils returns List::MoreUtils20:43
@perlmonkey2Class::Data::Inheritable appears up to date in my 8.4 WRE for some reason, which is good.20:43
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luscan I have the same web server hosting webgui host other software20:45
luscan I host another vhost other than another webgui site?20:46
@preactionthough i wouldn't recommend it20:47
luspreaction: I cannot do it20:48
@preactionare you using the WRE's apache? there are things missing from it that might be affecting you (since they're not necessary in WebGUI)20:49
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luspreaction: I'm using centos, trying to run freeside on it too, behind an ipcop firewall20:50
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luspreaction: and Im getting the dansguardian screen - inappropriate content !!?? 20:51
@preactionuh... i don't know what dansguardian is20:51
@preactionbut it's not WebGUI20:51
juani have enabled mail from a colaboration system20:51
juanbut the account is a google account20:51
juanit works wiith google accounts?20:52
juanbecuase the smtp and pop port are different20:53
@preactioncan you set the pop3 port? say: pop.google.com:8000 20:53
juanand permit stablish ssl connections?20:54
@preactioni don't know. try it?20:55
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+perlDreamerthere has to be a better way to handle database schema changes across upgrades21:02
+perlDreamerthis is simply nuts21:02
topsubIn the EMS when i add a ticket and set a date and time, when i add it to the cart it shows a different time. Like 1pm  shows up as 18:00:06 in my cart / badge. Is this a bug? both timezones are the same21:11
+perlDreamerSounds like a bug to me.21:12
topsubalso does the ems allow you to buy 2 tickets that have the same start date?21:14
topsubi added a bug report with a screenshot for ya21:17
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@perlmonkey2Wow, I've somehow managed to mangle a Mac, Cent5.2, and an F9 WRE install21:55
@perlmonkey2I'm just that godo21:56
ckotilIve botched some wre installs myself21:58
+perlDreamerI have never botched a WRE install...21:58
@perlmonkey2Somehow though I must have mangled the system as well (although I'm not sure how that is possible using the WRE).  Because no matter how many times I blow everything away, make sure, unpack the WRE, 'svn -R revert .', I get the same result.21:59
@Haargit does the same with an automatic install?22:05
@perlmonkey2Haven't tried with automatic install.  But that would imply something was wrong with [HEAD] so other people should be having this problem.22:05
@Haargwell, there's still the log config file22:06
@Haargthat's all i can think of at least that the wre does extra22:07
@perlmonkey2hmm, here's a new one "proxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /"22:07
@khennDoes anyone know what this is doing inside the www_editEventMetaFieldSave method:   foreach ('label') {22:09
@khennit is obviously looping over each of the fields22:09
@khennbut I can't figure out what the default value is there22:09
@khennor where it's getting it from22:09
@khennpresumably it would be from the @_ stack22:09
@khennbut that doesn't make sense either22:09
+perlDreamerit uses $_ as the loop variable22:10
+perlDreamerand iterates over the loop once, with the value label22:10
@khennI know that22:10
@khennwhat is it looping over?22:10
@khennforeach ('label')22:11
@khennthat's a string22:11
+perlDreamerJust one loop22:11
+perlDreamerit's a 1 element array22:11
@khennyeah I get it now22:11
+perlDreamerperhaps a copy and paste of similar code from elsewhere?22:11
@khennthat's really bad22:11
@perlmonkey2what's the point of that?22:12
@khennit's a foreach loop which iterates over one thing22:13
@perlmonkey2and that $thing is a hard coded string.22:13
@khennI thought it might be some weird Perl way of doing something22:13
* perlmonkey2 double checks to make sure he didn't write it :P22:13
@khennbut no, it's just bad code22:13
+perlDreamersvn blame never lies22:13
@khennI'm pretty sure I know who did it22:14
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: so that is your push for GIT, it lies?22:14
+perlDreamerNo, my push for git is that it's easier to make private branches with version control22:14
+perlDreamerand lets me commit offline22:14
+perlDreamerbut git-svn seems like a good median22:15
+perlDreamerI just haven't tried it yet.22:15
@perlmonkey2I know, I was just kidding :) and git-svn does seem like a good stop-gap.  22:17
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@perlmonkey2I just don't get it.  The WRE perl's @INC is only looking at the prereq's paths.  So system perl modules shouldn't affect it.  So how is it that 8.3/4 [HEAD], 7.5.11, and last stable, all fail the same way with mod_proxy going into infinite loops.  A networking issue maybe?22:21
@perlmonkey2Okay I'm firing myself, I just suck too bad.22:22
@Haargonly thing i can imagine doing that would be a messed up mod_proxy config22:23
@perlmonkey2Haarg: I just had a glimmer of hope.  I always use www.test.com as my test domain, and then set localhost to that in /etc/hosts.  But I use local domain caching in my server, which was also hosting a www.test.com instance.  So maybe the mac was using dns over /etc/hosts?22:24
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@Haargi wouldn't think so22:25
@Haargwhat version of the wre are you using?22:25
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@Haargand can you post your site's modperl and modproxy configs somewhere?22:26
@perlmonkey2Haarg: tried 8.3 and 422:34
@perlmonkey2thoe should be pretty standard22:38
@Haargtry getting rid of those port 80 proxy lines22:38
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@perlmonkey2same Max-Forwards issue22:45
@Haargis it even proxying to the modperl server properly?22:59
@Haargcheck your access logs maybe22:59
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jlittlewoodHaarg- I tried that patch you told me about yesterday, but it didn't seem to work23:10
jlittlewoodHarrg: 'twas re: getting export tab delimited to do its magic23:10
jlittlewoodsadly the results were not what we were hoping23:11
@Haargare you certain you have Text::CSV_XS updated fully?23:11
jlittlewoodno I am most def not certain of that23:11
jlittlewoodwhere does that live?23:11
@Haargwell, if you just run testEnvironment it will tell you23:11
jlittlewoodthat does not appear to be installed23:16
jlittlewooda key to the puzzle, if there ever was one23:16
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+perlDreamerHaarg: I'm working on the DataForm bug (fyi)00:32
@Haargwhich one?00:32
@Haargyeah, should be simple.  just a boolean check instead of an undef/eq "".00:33
+perlDreamerline 137400:34
jlittlewoodHaarg: looks like we do have Text::CSV_XS installed00:34
@Haargthe correct version?00:34
@Haargalso, after using the patch, how does it fail?00:35
jlittlewoodChecking for module Text::CSV_XS:                 OK00:36
jlittlewoodis there more to it than that?00:36
jlittlewoodit fails by kicking you to the asset url00:36
@Haargcheck the logs, there might be something in there00:39
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+perlDreameranybody else having problem with autocommit in HEAD?00:53
@Haargwhat kind of problems are you having?01:01
+perlDreamerIt won't process the autocommit workflows01:02
+perlDreamer2008/09/03 14:41:46 - ERROR - mywebgui.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance 'vMLSkFGtNW0wcMWjtyh5Ow': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 33401:02
+perlDreamersince I did a little mucking in there during the WUC, I got very worried01:02
+perlDreamerI restarted spectre, it seems to have resolved itself01:07
+perlDreamerNope, it's not resolved.01:09
+perlDreamerMy patch to Workflow::Instance.pm is causing workflow probelms.01:09
+perlDreamerwell, I was looking for something to do this afternoon :)01:09
CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7398 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added page range to paginator variables01:11
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+perlDreamerpreaction: still lurking about?01:29
+perlDreamerI think my patch to Workflow::Instance is causing those problems01:29
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+perlDreamerI'm having autocommit problems01:30
+perlDreamerwhen I revert the patch, they go away01:30
+perlDreamerthe funny thing is that I had to patch it to make creating workflow instances from tests work.01:31
+perlDreamerI'm going to revert it in SVN, and then try to figure out what's going on.01:31
+perlDreamerat least that way Spectre stuff will work again01:32
@preactioni can't see anything wrong, but create() might need the same change01:33
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+perlDreamerthe thing I don't get is why would you ever pass params from the Workflow Instance to the Activity that's being created?01:34
+perlDreamerline 33401:34
+perlDreamerWorkflow::Activity->new wants an activityId in that slot01:35
@preactioneval { WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate($class, $method, [$self->session, $params]) }; <- this line?01:35
@preactionthis is creating the pass-in object for the activity01:35
@preaction$class is the object type of the pass-in object01:36
+perlDreameryes.  the problem field is $params01:36
+perlDreamerif you look at W::A->new, the second param is supposed to be the workflow activityId01:36
@preactionbut... there is no workflow object type of WebGUI::Workflow::Activity?01:37
+perlDreamer$className is the class of the activity itself, not the parent?01:37
+perlDreamerand they all inherit new from that master class01:37
@preactionno, it's the class of the pass-in object01:37
@preactionlike WebGUI::VersionTag01:37
@preactionor WebGUI::User01:37
@preactionour activity is instanciated at line 32201:38
+perlDreamerokay, let me rewind a sec01:38
+perlDreamerthen in WebGUI::VersionTag->new, the second param is not the parameters of the Workflow::Instance01:39
+perlDreamerit's a versionTagId01:39
+perlDreameroh dear01:39
@preactionright, which is why the value of the parameters column is a hashref with a single key, parameters, which contains the actual data01:40
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7399 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: Fix a bug where the value 0 wasn't valid when entering01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: data into the DataForm.01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7400 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting DataForm 0 data value fix01:46
+perlDreamerhow do I force spectre to run a suspended workflow?01:48
+perlDreamernm, it just keeps retrying01:48
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@tavistohey Patspam02:13
patspamhey tavisto02:13
@tavistohow goes it?02:13
patspamstill getting over jet-leg02:14
patspamno TV from LAX to sydney.. united airlines are tightarses!02:14
@tavistogah.. no good02:15
@tavistoyeah I always try to fly NWA and when I go over to europe I am definitely going with KLM02:16
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@tavistowell it was great meeting you at the WUC this year. Great to have the face to put with the IRC name.02:16
patspamyeah likewise, was so awesome to meet all you guys at the WUC02:16
@tavistoyou'll be happy to know that next year we're going to try and work the IRC names into the namebadges :)02:16
patspamheh that will help02:17
patspamand the year after that we can have avatars02:17
SynQ2ok sleepy time02:20
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+cap10morganwhen using ldap w/ webgui, how do you specify the "search base"?04:29
elninohi. I'm missing the group "registered users"  for some reason.  Is this bad =)  can I just create it? or is there a way to recover it?  what is the default ID?04:29
+cap10morganI tried putting /dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org on the end of my LDAP URL, but i get Invalid DN then04:30
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@preactionelnino_laptop, the group can't be deleted, but it also doesn't show up in some group select boxes (since all users are automatically part of the Registered Users group)04:35
elnino_laptopit's not even displaying when I go into admin._ groups.04:35
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elnino_laptopI manually created a user, and I couldn't add them to the "registered group" I"m running
elnino_laptopI should be able to see it in those two places, right?04:36
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@tavistoI think because maybe it's already in the group?04:37
elnino_laptopI'm sorry, I must have been dreaming. I thought for sure I saw the group on my other site in the admin area.  So then the question arises, how to you email the group "registered users" if it isn't listed in admin->groups?04:39
@tavistowell I'm not for certain but that was my late night guess :)04:39
@perlmonkey2Ernisto is the guy who did the Debian release, rigth?04:40
@tavistoyep it's Ernesto04:40
@perlmonkey2tavisto: Any luck with SCT :P04:40
@perlmonkey2Hmm, I need to get a debian vm running with his package to see how he did a lot of things.  Looking at the Fedora packaging guidelines now and it doesn't look too bad.04:41
elnino_laptopI'm trying to get email sent out from webgui, and my client is using gmail as the smtp server. I have ssmtp setup to point to the google servers, so do I just put localhost in webgui's settings?04:44
@preactionelnino_laptop, sendmail on the localhost is acting as a smart relay to google? then yes04:44
elnino_laptopyes.  So Good. Thanks!04:45
elnino_laptopSo then my other question remains. how do I send an email to the group "registered users" if it isn't listed under admin -> groups?  hmmm...04:45
@preactionit seems you dont. but you could, say, make a new group, and then add the "Registered Users" group to that group, then send a message to that new group04:48
@preactionthat might work04:48
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elnino_laptopit worked! Thanks!04:58
elnino_laptopI'll create a wiki for that.04:59
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@tavistoperlmonkey2, well if at some point in the future you want to work on the fedora stuff... I have some emails I can forward you to all of the best resources to get started. We do have someone from the community who offered to do it previously. JT contacted him and he said to give him a few weeks06:11
@rizentavis i don't know if you watched the rnc tonight,b ut if you did you have to be happy about the palin and gulliani speeches06:15
@rizenthey were both very good speakers06:16
@tavistonope, I've been researching getting started areas and recovering from this brutal deep tissue massage I got on my spine earlier06:19
@tavistorizen, I am glad to hear they were good. I plan to watch them of course.06:19
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elninook. i'm confused. I have two sites. both are 7.4.40. One has a Newsletter asset the other doesnt. So I added "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter" thinking that would do it, but it doesn't. The one that has newsletter was build from 7.3.xx so maybe it's an old asset from back then?06:50
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elninoI see that Newsletter.pm is in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration. so maybe I'm missing a step.06:53
elninotried clearing cache06:57
+perlDreamerelnino, check the config file?06:58
elninoyep, that's where I added the Collaboratoin::Newsletter to the site that didn't have one. And restarted the services.06:58
elninothe default webgui didn't have it either.06:58
elninoyep. that's what I got. I"ll triple check07:00
+perlDreamerI'll see if I can set up one, too07:00
elninocase and spelling correct too.07:01
+perlDreamer(kathy says hi)07:01
elninoI hope I'm not doing soething dumb.07:01
elninoHi Kathy!07:01
elninoIt was nice meeting her!07:01
elninocomma is in the correct place too.07:02
+perlDreamerOkay, I added this to my config file07:03
+perlDreamer      "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter",07:03
+perlDreamerto the assets section07:03
+perlDreamerrestarted WebGUI07:03
+perlDreamerand it showed up in my Admin Bar07:03
+perlDreamerand I was able to add one to the site07:03
+perlDreamerlog file?07:03
elninoI was looking. didn't see anythign, but now. oh. bad day. why is this back?07:04
elninowhere would wre's apache files be?07:06
* perlDreamer is not a WRE user07:07
elninosorry, the conf file.07:07
+perlDreamerno idea07:07
+perlDreamerusing SVN commands, how do you revert an earlier change to a file?07:12
elninoI don't know, but newletter showed up!!!07:14
elninoI shut down everythign and noticed some orphan wre https so I killed them all. and restarted! YEAH!07:15
elninoI think I learned that trick from you or preaction.07:15
+perlDreamerI think it was preaction07:15
+perlDreameroh to do a revert: svn merge -c -versionNum https://repo07:16
+perlDreamerthe key is the negative version num07:16
elninoor maybe perlmonkey. I don't know you all are equally helpful. So how DO I transfer karma to you guys?07:16
+perlDreamerGood question.07:16
+perlDreamerYou go here: http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma07:17
+perlDreamerand use the form on the right07:17
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elninooh. I didn't see that there, I must not have been logged in at the time.  Thanks! karma coming!  Have a good night!07:20
elninopreaction what is your username on webgui.org?07:20
+perlDreamerHe is DBell07:21
elninogood night.07:22
+perlDreamergood night, elnino07:22
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elninooh.. I was going to ask, Is there a way to display the registratoin form inline on another page i have in webgui?07:37
+perlDreamermaybe the HTTP proxy asset07:38
+perlDreameraside from that, I'm not sure07:38
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elninoI was wondering about that..but it displays the deisng too. I'll see if I can cut the design off.07:46
+perlDreamerelnino, thank you very much for the karma, I threw in an RFE for a bonus.08:00
+perlDreamerWe'll see if rizen says that I can commit it for 7.608:01
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patspamgreat to see the karma economy at work08:22
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BartJolmmm after adding a subscription to a cart, you can't see the cart ?shop=cart doesn't seem to work16:20
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@bopbopgood morning16:38
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@rizenBartJol: i believe that's a bug in the current version that has already been fixed in the version that's going out today16:41
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BartJolnice to know, I was looking whether it was a bug...16:45
BartJolwell, that is some relieve, thanks16:45
@perlmonkey2anyone have a link to the JT phenom video with the street interviews and news reporters?17:08
@rizenit's linked in the black blog17:08
@perlmonkey2oh, hah, missed that17:09
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BartJolJT venom video?17:17
@rizenphenom not venom17:17
BartJolno fangs? too bad...17:19
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@rizenthat would have been at the town hall meeting where i went off on koen17:21
@perlmonkey2You went off on Koen?  Do we get to hear the details of the drama?17:28
BartJolKoen's still in shock...17:30
BartJolwhich means that he keeps talking17:30
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@bopbopI enjoyed the part where lightning bolts shot out of JT's head17:39
@bopbopthere was also the pulsing vein17:39
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+perlDreamerpreaction: what does pagination.range do?18:20
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@preactionperlDreamer, shows the number of records in the page, so "start-end"18:21
+perlDreamerCool.  Thanks.18:21
SDuensinWhoa.  perlDreamer didn't know something?18:25
+perlDreamerSDuensin, that's only the tip of what I don't know.  Just ask my wife ;)18:26
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topsubanyone good with the yui grid?18:48
+perlDreamernope, sorry topsub18:49
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+perlDreamerIs anyone else allowed to post on the new templates discussion board?19:04
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topsubor if i am i don't know about it19:31
+perlDreamerHuh, from a dev board posting, I guess it's private.19:42
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7403 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm: RFE: add a back to site link to the account option list20:34
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7404 /branch/colin-experimental/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): add a starting index to the asset class iterator20:34
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7405 /branch/colin-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): RFE: product quantity checking workflow with test and i18n20:34
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7406 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: add i18n for the pagination.range template variable20:34
@perlmonkey2Do we use any other OO method than Class::InsideOut?20:35
+perlDreamerJust standard perl5 OO20:35
@perlmonkey2blessed hashes/20:35
+perlDreamerWhy do you ask?20:36
@perlmonkey2I need to iterate through my anon objects and that is about impossible without typing out every member name in Class::IO20:36
@perlmonkey2object members I mean20:36
BartJoljoohoo, I am not totally incapable for everything!20:36
BartJolhee, colin, making more work for me I see20:37
@perlmonkey2the JSON collateral will be loaded into objects which needed to be able to interate through their members without me typing out every single one.  Else I'd have 400 lines of code of just encoding/decoding json :P20:37
+perlDreamerBartJol: Just saving the world through proper i18n20:37
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Assets will not be Class::InsideOut for a while20:37
+perlDreamerdoes that help?20:38
BartJolyou superhero20:38
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: were you asking me if that helped or bart?20:38
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: you20:38
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yes, definetely20:39
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+cap10morganhere's a strange one. spectre is getting 502 proxy error from a bunch of my sites, but when i curl http://www.site.org:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData from the same host, it works just fine20:52
+cap10morganany idea what that's about?20:53
@rizenperlDreamer: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/view-profile/221:11
@rizenwhy so vague?21:11
@rizenis it commited or not?21:11
@rizenwhy "ready a commit"21:11
+perlDreamerrizen: In the past I've always let you know when it is done.  then you say when it's okay to commit it or not.21:24
@rizenit's a bug fix21:25
@rizenit's not an rfe21:25
@rizenfix bugs and get them in as quickly as possible21:25
+perlDreamerI'll commit it now :)21:25
@rizenif we need to fix your fix we'll do it21:25
+perlDreamerrizen, it's not a bug, it's an rfe21:26
@rizenit's got a bug url 21:26
@rizenhow did that happen21:26
+perlDreamerMust have been a bug that was moved off of the bug board into the RFE21:26
@rizenyou rock21:31
@Haargthing with no fields becomes nicely busted21:36
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metanilhow to get the ipaddress of particular session?? (sth like $self->session->ipAddress??)21:44
+perlDreamermetanil: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Env21:44
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7407 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm): add a return to site link in account options21:49
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zylopfaGreetings all 21:55
zylopfaCan i ask a little question about warnings in my logs?21:56
+perlDreamerIf you have lots of them, please use a paste site21:56
zylopfaIts on 1 site only :D Its the warning:  The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.21:56
zylopfa WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785] - The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.21:57
zylopfathats the whole liek21:57
+perlDreamerIt says "*" <- asterisk ?21:57
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+perlDreamerI'd say that someone typed in the wrong URL21:57
zylopfaI am suspecting maybe some workflow21:57
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+perlDreamer* is not a legal URL character21:58
+perlDreamerit would be filtered out when the asset is created21:58
miloidrrperlDreamer hi21:58
+perlDreamerhowdy, miloidrr21:58
miloidrrI want to show you my new webgui site21:58
zylopfaWill take a look :D21:58
+perlDreamerOh, yes.  I know that y'all have been working on that for a while.21:58
+perlDreamerIs it all done now?21:58
zylopfaperlDreamer, it seems like its whenever i view the sites main page. But how can urls be wrong when its the correct url to the site :O21:59
+perlDreamerzylopfa: Are there any macros on the page?22:00
miloidrrYer perlDreamer, the site has an radiostation create by the users, all by webgui22:00
miloidrras youtube22:00
+perlDreamernice :)22:00
zylopfaHmm no macros perlDreamer 22:03
zylopfaDo you know what the number mean: WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785]22:03
zylopfathe 178522:03
+perlDreamerthat's the line in the file22:03
+perlDreamerWebGUI/Asset.pm, line 178522:04
zylopfalol ohh ofc22:04
+perlDreamerzylopfa, here's a few things to try.22:04
+perlDreamerin etc/log.conf, change the level to DEBUG and restart the webservers22:04
+perlDreamerthen reload the home page and see if it tells you more22:04
+perlDreamermiloidrr, so you must have solved your XML from Collaboration System problem to make the radio station work?22:05
miloidrrIm has solved this problem22:06
zylopfaThanks a lot perlDreamer22:07
zylopfaMaybe its something with language support files, as i run visitor users in Danish language22:07
+perlDreamerThat would be an easy problem, zylopfa.22:07
+perlDreamerthe only thing I can think of is somewhere on your front page is a piece of code trying to look up an asset by the URL *22:08
+perlDreamerwhat's the URL?22:08
+perlDreamerin the db, does "SELECT assetId from assetData where url='*'; return anything?22:10
zylopfanone at all22:10
+perlDreamerIs this site in development, or is it live?22:11
zylopfaits live22:11
zylopfaI am hosting 6 sites atm on the installation22:11
+perlDreamereverything works as expected?  No missing or broken elements?22:12
zylopfayeah it all work22:12
zylopfaits after upgrade it happend22:12
zylopfafrom 4.20 to the newest22:12
+perlDreamerWebGUI 4.20?22:12
+perlDreamersurely you mean 7.4.20?22:13
zylopfayeah sorry22:13
+perlDreamerI need to head to an appointment.  I'll be back on later.  Keep plugging away, zylopfa.22:14
+perlDreamerMaybe you could persuade BartJol to look at it, too.22:14
zylopfaThanks a lot and thanks for help22:14
zylopfathe debut thing is real good, insane much you can see22:14
zylopfaall the queries and stuff22:14
+perlDreameryeah, sometimes too much22:14
zylopfahaha this is strange, the good log told me a query of:22:19
zylopfaselect asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 122:19
zylopfawith '*' as the placeholder url22:19
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BartJoloh zylopfa sorry, I mist a bit22:43
zylopfaAhh its ok, i am just getting tons of warnings on my site 22:43
zylopfaThe URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.22:43
zylopfaI dont know what makes these22:44
zylopfabut i put debug in the logging facility22:44
zylopfaand it is make a sql query like this:22:44
zylopfaselect asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 122:45
zylopfawith '*' as the placeholder22:45
zylopfadont know what wobject / asset etc. that make that query22:45
zylopfaHAHA I found it I think22:48
zylopfaI was tailing the access log22:48
BartJoloh, was just getting to look22:48
zylopfaAnd i can see22:48
zylopfaOPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)22:48
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BartJolnever seen that one22:49
zylopfaSo it must be the LDAP thing22:49
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zylopfathat think it has to do something22:49
zylopfaso i am gonna check if some ldap things are mistakenly set on22:50
BartJolok will be around22:50
zylopfaThanks a lot friend22:50
BartJoldidn't do anything yet :)22:51
zylopfaI have found something more22:52
zylopfaI was in LDAP connections in admin22:52
zylopfaDefault LDAP Connection:Invalid22:52
zylopfaI dont use anything with LDAP but maybe its trying something22:52
BartJolgonna have a look22:53
zylopfaIts the Visitor user22:53
zylopfathat is the user noted in the logs22:53
zylopfaand it says: (internal dummy connection)22:54
BartJoldoes the visitor use ldap authentication?22:56
BartJolmy grep on the error message is working22:56
zylopfaNo, LDAP auth is disabled from the site not even login possibilities22:56
zylopfaI tried to delete the ldap link22:57
zylopfathe default one22:57
BartJolah, maybe you just have that as it was22:57
zylopfaI am watching the log in awe, to see if the Warning comes again22:57
miloidrrperlDreamer hi again22:57
miloidrrI need create a glosary of words22:58
BartJolI think he's gone right now22:58
zylopfayeah hes out atm22:58
zylopfadamn it22:58
zylopfa::1 - Visitor [04/Sep/2008:21:36:08 +0200] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)"22:58
zylopfaWhat is an internal dummy connection?22:58
miloidrrWhat is the best to make it?22:58
BartJolI think it's ldap://ldap.mycompany.com:389/o=MyCompany22:59
zylopfaIt happens the same time in the log when i get the "The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree." warning22:59
zylopfaI am trying to isolate what makes the sql statement22:59
zylopfawhere the url is set to *22:59
BartJolno internal dummy connection found...23:00
BartJolit's i n asset .pm23:00
@Haargit's something related to using apache 2.223:02
zylopfaSo its intended?23:02
@Haargit's an internal part of apache23:03
zylopfaMaybe its spectre polling the webserver?23:03
zylopfaahhh ok23:03
@Haargyou could probably make a rewrite rule to ignore it so it wouldn't show up in the webgui logs23:03
zylopfaI might take LOG WARN off then its every minute or so i get 10 lines of warnings23:03
zylopfaahh good idea23:03
@HaargRewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*internal\ dummy\ connection.*$ [NC]23:04
@HaargRewriteRule . - [L]23:04
zylopfaIts only one of the sites i host that make it23:05
@Haargor something similar23:05
zylopfathanks a lot23:05
BartJolmiloidrr: sorry, your glossary?23:06
zylopfaLike a "page" with words and their meaning?23:06
zylopfaI'd use the collaboration system and modify the "link list" template23:07
zylopfa(Collaboration System Template) 23:07
zylopfaThe Collaboration system is genius cause many things users have to make themselves they format wrongly23:09
zylopfawith collaboration system you can just tell them to input things and then it show as you indended it to23:09
BartJolwith articles you have to rearrange them23:10
+perlDreamermiloidrr, I think the DataForm23:11
BartJolwith drag and drop, that won't have to be that bad23:11
+perlDreamerTell it to view the table/list by default23:11
zylopfaPropably best with dataform23:12
zylopfaNo wait23:12
zylopfaI think its best with collaboration system23:12
zylopfaas you can sort it by title, which is the same as the Words in your glosary23:12
zylopfahttp://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home <- the left menu bar is made with collaboration system23:13
zylopfaAnd by tweaking the template just a bit you can have a glossary system instead of a linklist23:14
zylopfaits the same data nearly23:14
zylopfaTitle, description23:14
zylopfaand you can sort it on title23:14
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zylopfaand also use the paginator feature if your glossary is more than n entries long23:15
wgGuest10hello everyone23:15
zylopfaGreetings wgGuest10 23:15
+perlDreamerhow about a Thingy?23:16
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zylopfaIts to much for only something which have a title and a description imo23:16
zylopfathe collaboration system have all things needed also23:16
+perlDreameryeah, that's why I was thinking DataForm23:16
zylopfayeah propably more lightweight than collaboration sys also23:16
BartJolI have it: snippets!23:16
zylopfaahhaha nooo23:16
zylopfaIt must be somewhat automagical23:17
wgGuest10ok, i'm either wanting to be really stupid today, or i've looked at this computer too long. can webgui except flash and other programs?23:17
BartJolit can actually23:17
zylopfayeah wgGuest10 23:17
+perlDreamerwgGuest10: WebGUI can upload and download flash, but playing flash is different23:17
+perlDreameryou need an embedded flash player for that23:17
zylopfaits nothing to do with the webgui23:17
BartJolwell, there is a flash player in the rich editor23:17
zylopfaflash is played on your browser, webgui can serve the files yes23:17
wgGuest10can i load my existing webist onto webgui23:18
BartJolbut it's a bit picky on what kinda23:18
+perlDreamerwgGuest10, yes.23:18
zylopfamiloidrr are you still with us? 23:18
+perlDreamerLook in the Bazaar section on www.webgui.org23:18
wgGuest10ok thanks23:19
+perlDreamermy turn for asking questions:  I want to build a site where the gatewayUrl is /webgui.  How do I configure Apache to do that?23:19
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zylopfawhat do you mean with gateway url?23:20
zylopfathe default start url?23:20
+perlDreamerit's a config file option23:20
zylopfalike normal /home?23:20
BartJolbut you can set your homepage right?23:22
zylopfacant it just be set in the config file like oyu say?23:23
zylopfa "gateway" : "/",23:23
zylopfa "gateway" : "/webgui",23:23
+perlDreamerbut I think Apache needs some config as well23:23
+perlDreamermaybe not23:23
+perlDreamerI should just try it :)23:23
zylopfaI hope not23:23
zylopfayeah i think so23:23
zylopfaDoes anyone know a good way for multi language sites?23:24
zylopfaI saw Koen had a question about it long ago on the forums but no answer23:24
+perlDreamerit's hard to do multisite on WebGUI23:24
+perlDreamerMost people will build a separate branch on the site23:25
+perlDreamerthen make a package of the main site and deploy it on the side branch23:25
+perlDreamerthen translate it23:25
zylopfaSometimes i just thing i make http://en.titlandata.dk23:25
zylopfaand copy the site in danish to the new one23:25
zylopfaI was thinking of just copinging the entire db and site branches to another site23:25
zylopfaas they are in 2 different databases anyway it should work23:26
+perlDreamerno need to do that, you can use a Redirect URL to just go to the other branch.23:26
zylopfaBut the maintainence is 2 sited23:26
zylopfayeah i could make a branch also23:26
zylopfainstead of subdomaing for 2 different sites23:27
zylopfaMakes more sense to keep it on 1 site also23:27
zylopfathen you can reuse content elements23:27
+perlDreameryes, same user database, groups, lots of good reasons23:27
zylopfayeah ofc23:27
zylopfalol its a damn mess i'd have made23:27
zylopfathanks for clearing it with me23:27
zylopfaElse it would be an endless syncronisation between them23:28
zylopfaperlDreamer, 23:28
zylopfaI have a good idea i think23:28
+perlDreamerWhat is it?23:28
zylopfaMostly you have text inside the Articles right?23:28
zylopfaDamn that wont work23:29
zylopfaI was gonna make a macro to get the english text from a database23:29
zylopfataking the asset id23:29
zylopfabut its not good23:29
zylopfacause text sould be entered into the asset23:29
+perlDreamerI wonder if there are RFEs with good ideas in them for that?23:30
zylopfayeah 23:30
zylopfaOr maybe you could make a new Article asset23:30
zylopfathat was the same as the old23:30
zylopfabut with "Language" selector23:30
zylopfaso you could put different texts for different languages23:31
zylopfaOhh i know23:31
+perlDreamerif you did it with JSON, it would make it easier than doing different db columns for each languages23:31
zylopfaThe defailt bars is:23:31
zylopfaProperties, Dispaly, Security, Metadata23:31
zylopfabut then you could have additional bars for other languages23:31
zylopfaperhaps sub bars under display23:32
zylopfaUnder properties i mean23:32
zylopfabut it might be to cluttered23:32
+perlDreamerafter 4-5 languages it would be bad23:32
zylopfaI wonder how it could be done best23:33
+perlDreamerI liked your language selector idea23:33
BartJolGarbish is all you need right23:34
zylopfaI am making my business site to english also23:34
zylopfaso i have thought a bit about it23:34
zylopfaThe i18n is good but its only for internal stuff23:35
BartJolyeah, but your always stuck with a human translation23:35
zylopfaand the text for the assets themselves, not their content23:35
zylopfaahah true BartJol 23:35
zylopfaThe danish translationi s only 2% done23:35
zylopfaI am working on it step by step23:35
BartJolgood job23:36
+perlDreamerzylopfa, you need to hire some college students to help you out, or something23:36
+perlDreamerit's a lot to translate23:36
zylopfayeah i need it23:36
BartJoland one day, one glorious day, you will get a 100% translated, my child23:36
zylopfaAlso i need some good translations for things that arent in danish23:36
* perlDreamer bows to BartJol23:37
BartJolget up23:37
+perlDreamerOh Great Translator, shower us with your i18n wisdom and knowledge23:37
BartJolmmm, are you making fun of me?23:37
zylopfaIs the maintainers of the different assets fast to change the labels?23:37
+perlDreamerOh yes23:37
BartJolthey do23:37
zylopfathen it can be hard to maintain the other language set of it23:38
BartJolso it's like garden or woman maintenance, it will never stop23:38
zylopfaahah yeah23:38
+perlDreamerwhich assets are you talking about, zylopfa?23:38
zylopfaJust all of the Wobjects23:38
zylopfaand macros23:38
+perlDreamerand the operations23:38
+perlDreamerand the workflows23:38
zylopfaahah yeah23:38
zylopfainde admin interface ++23:39
BartJoland more23:39
+perlDreamerany label that you want changed, just submit a bug for it23:39
+perlDreamerit usually gets fixed the same day23:39
zylopfaI change it myself in the i18n.webgui.org23:39
BartJolyou can't change the english23:39
zylopfaahh thats true23:39
+perlDreameryeah, for changing english, submit a bug23:39
+perlDreamerfor another language, i18n.webgui.org23:39
zylopfaNot so many problems with the english one23:39
zylopfajust hard to follow up if the designers change some labels a lot23:40
zylopfathen the other translations will have to file new ones23:40
BartJolyeah well thosde ar checked quite some times23:40
BartJolmostly there are only major translations with new assets or revisions of them23:41
zylopfaI am gonna make "Multilanguage Article" project23:41
BartJolas on operation?23:41
zylopfait will ofc inherit all Article operations23:41
zylopfaand i will ad my own language stuff23:41
BartJolsounds cool, but not straightforward23:42
BartJolnew? WebGUI hacker here I see23:42
zylopfaIt will be a Wobject23:42
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zylopfaI have worked with webgui for some years23:42
zylopfabut its after i made a company to make websites and designs i realy got into it23:42
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zylopfahttp://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home  is my site for the company, its under development23:43
zylopfaso its on a test domain23:43
BartJolI can almost read it :)23:43
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zylopfaahah nice23:43
zylopfacan you see the "ticker " on the top?23:44
zylopfaits a news bar23:44
BartJolI do23:44
zylopfaand its taken from a collaboration system asset23:44
zylopfaso i can easy add new news23:44
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BartJolah, we have that on a site somewhere23:44
zylopfaI love the collaboration system23:45
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BartJolyou make a kinda sql report and put it into a javascript23:45
BartJolbut that's old23:45
zylopfaI made a macro for it23:45
zylopfaI am also playing with the Thingy now23:46
zylopfaon a dream diary site 23:46
BartJoloh cool23:46
zylopfaOnly thing with thingy is that you cant "own" the records you enter23:46
BartJoland you can connects through dreams>23:46
zylopfaahah yeah :D23:46
BartJolthat be cool23:46
zylopfaI am making sql reports from the thingie23:47
doc777Hello everyone. Sorry to interrupt...  Can anyone tell me a sqlquery to select new user accounts over the last 24 hours? I see the dateCreated field is an (int) and not a time stamp...23:47
zylopfabut its not so safe23:47
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BartJolit's an epoch time23:47
zylopfacause if the records are not owned by anyone23:47
BartJolso that's an int23:47
zylopfadoc777, a moment i shoe you23:47
doc777Thank you, confused ;)23:47
+perlDreamerselect userId,username from users where time-dateCreated < 24*60*60;23:48
+perlDreamersomething like that23:48
BartJoland in an sql statement you can ask for at as a normal datestamp format23:48
BartJollast one23:49
doc777testing that ;)23:49
+perlDreamerperlbot: 24*60*6023:50
+perlDreamerperlbot: help23:50
perlbot(fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip)23:50
+perlDreamerperlbot: math 24*60*6023:50
doc777unknown column time in where....23:50
zylopfadoc i am on it23:51
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7408 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm: updating POD for Session/Url to talk about gateway URL23:52
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7409 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): continue link from message on login did not look at gateway url23:52
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7410 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): backporting auth continue link from HEAD23:52
+perlDreamerselect userId,username from users where unix_timestamp()-dateCreated < 86400;23:52
zylopfaselect users.userId, users.username, users.status, users.dateCreated, users.lastUpdated from users23:53
zylopfawhere (UNIX_TIMESTAMP(now())- users.dateCreated)< 86400 order by users.dateCreated23:53
zylopfathats the way ^23:53
doc777Both work, thank you! That had me scratchin my head a bit there....23:54
zylopfaahah ok23:54
miloidrrZylopfa, im here again23:54
zylopfaAwesome did you figure it out?23:54
zylopfathe glossary23:54
miloidrrI need to create a glossary to my site23:55
zylopfayeah i can easy help you23:55
miloidrrI think that i can do it with a cs23:55
BartJoldoc777, it depends what you want to show, but status and userId may not have to be selected, only the ones you use23:55
zylopfacs is very good for it23:56
BartJolzylopha no offends meant23:56
zylopfaand it will be sorted for title whis is your word in the glossary23:56
zylopfano offence taken BartJol 23:56
BartJolyee, my english is slowing down again23:57
doc777we added a "how did you find us" question when registering on the site and would like a report generated on it. So looks like we have to pull the new users then query the profile data to get that field. So it is a work in progress ;)23:57
miloidrrTks zylopfa23:57
zylopfano problem23:58
miloidrrIm goin to do in a cs23:58
zylopfai can help you with the template, but I took the link list or faq one and modified it23:58
miloidrrTks zylopfa23:58
zylopfaor rather copied it to my template directory for the site and edited it there :D 23:58
zylopfaAny time23:59
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+perlDreamerall right00:07
+perlDreamerWho is flooding the bug board?00:07
* Haarg raises hand00:09
+perlDreamerHe who floods, must fix!00:10
@Haargyeah, i'll probably be fixing most of what i posted00:10
@Haargi just don't want to forget00:10
@Haargi have tons of other stuff floating around to take care of00:10
+perlDreamerYeah, the WUC put us all behind.00:11
+perlDreamerbut it was fun :)00:11
@Haargwasn't just the wuc00:11
+perlDreamereven though Martin's laptop did take a beating00:11
@Haargeven before that i had large things scheduled for this week00:11
zylopfaperlDreamer, the Article with more languages in the content. we spoke of00:13
+perlDreameryes, zylopfa?00:13
zylopfaI am making it as a normal article but in the bottom of properties00:13
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zylopfai make a field00:13
zylopfaWhats Next?:  "Add a language"00:14
zylopfaand from there you can as as many as you want00:14
zylopfalike its done in the Survey asset00:14
zylopfaits with questions00:14
zylopfabut i just make it with languages 00:14
BartJolwell if you can make "sister articles", you may even get nortification that you changed one but not the other00:15
zylopfaahh yeah00:15
zylopfa1 have to be the "main" language article00:16
zylopfaand under that is the translations to the languages 00:16
zylopfaIt will be fun to make it00:16
BartJolIt would00:16
BartJolat would take some time to do it properly00:16
zylopfait will have to be inherriting all from Article also00:17
zylopfaBartJol, are there any good ways to tell what language you are from?00:18
zylopfaAs visitor user i mean00:18
BartJollike ip based you mean?00:18
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zylopfaBut its not certain you are from that country00:18
zylopfamaybe from the browsers header things00:19
zylopfathe useragent one00:19
BartJolthat might be00:19
zylopfabut what the heck00:19
zylopfathey can select language on the site00:19
BartJolit should be optional, seems like a slowing feature00:19
zylopfaand then its saved in the session table00:19
zylopfathat should be the main way to keep track00:20
zylopfato save it with user session stuff00:20
zylopfawhen the user press the language button on the site00:20
BartJolyou can do that with branches00:20
BartJolwebgui language is a bit harder00:21
zylopfayeah but i dont want it to branch00:21
zylopfait shall be seamless00:21
BartJolI'm curious00:21
zylopfathats why i make the articles content in more languages when you create the article00:21
zylopfayou can choose that yourself00:21
zylopfa"Add A new Language to this article"00:22
zylopfaand then you are displayed with a new form that look like the normal article00:22
BartJolwell, maybe there already is a rfe for it00:22
zylopfawhere you choose the language00:22
zylopfaBartJol, yeah there might be00:22
zylopfaIt has to be site wide also, so all other assets will have to have it in00:23
zylopfaso it propablt not good to make it for Articles only00:23
zylopfaFor wobjects then00:23
zylopfabut the assets still have to know the language stuff00:23
BartJolwell, I can't estimate how much work would be involved00:24
zylopfaso much has to be made different00:24
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zylopfaMaybe its overkill to make00:24
BartJolalso hard to couple wobject languages to session00:24
BartJolif you can make it, put it on the bazaar00:25
zylopfaDoes other CMS systems have the feature?00:25
BartJolif it is pluggable00:25
BartJoldunno actually00:25
zylopfaThe reason i choose webgui was that it was perl based00:25
zylopfagoogle: perl cms 00:26
zylopfathen i took it from there00:26
zylopfaI hate the way many program in php00:26
zylopfaits always text and code mixed00:26
zylopfaand a million includes00:26
zylopfaatleast last time i read some php code00:26
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BartJolgoing to bed...00:32
BartJolnigthy nigth00:32
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Lisettehello how to do a sql report with parameters?01:46
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patspammorning team01:50
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+perlDreamermorning, patspam01:53
+perlDreamerCan I ask you a question about the template team?01:53
+perlDreamerWhy is the mailing list restricted?01:54
patspami have no idea, in fact i only read the emails about it on the dev list 15 seconds ago01:54
patspamclosed is never my preferred approach01:57
+perlDreamerme, too01:58
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+perlDreamerbad connection, patspam?02:09
patspamheh, just messing with my pidgin settings02:11
patspamtrying to get it to suppress the join messages02:11
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patspamperlDreamer: I've read through the board now, i agree, i think it should be open02:27
patspami've said as much in the board02:27
+perlDreamerWhen I posted back to rogier's dev list post, I said the same thing.02:28
@tavistopatspam, the WUC photo galleries are ready for your images02:29
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patspamah sweet02:29
@tavistowww.plainblack.com/wuc and then photos page02:29
@tavistoall of the old CS photo galleries have been converted to the new asset. yay02:29
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patspamnice work02:30
patspamcan i / should i post to the "WUC 2008" gallery? or do i need to create my own?02:31
@tavistopost to the wuc 200802:31
patspamah see now you're exposing my Gallery incompetence02:31
patspamwhere do i post?02:31
@tavistoyeah I'm glad that JT had time to convert all those from the old assets02:31
@tavistothe easiest way to do it is to throw your images into a zip file02:32
patspamand where's the upload box? maybe i don't have permissions?02:33
@tavistowell I just logged out and I'm wondering now if we're letting peeps upload them from the community.. let me check permissions02:34
@rizeni just used the new status/tracking number feature in the shop02:37
@rizenmost everything pb does is online, so we don't need to ship anything02:37
@rizenbut someone bought a gooey with karma02:37
@rizenso i got to use that feature02:37
@tavistorizen, did you just enter the # manually?02:38
@rizenhow else would i have done it?02:39
@tavistodunno.. I have no experience with that02:39
@rizeni suppose in the future we may have some shipping plugin integration02:40
@rizenthat will generate tracking numbers right there02:40
@rizenbut right now our only shipping plugin is webgui generic ...not specific to a shipper02:40
@tavistocoolio, then I suppose if customer views purchase history they can see that info as well02:40
@rizeni also see that the new transaction system is showing us that people are trying to purchase with stolen credit cards02:40
@rizenyup...they can02:41
@tavistowow really.. nice heh02:41
+perlDreameris that a feature, or a bug? ;)02:41
@tavistoI was just sitting here waiting around to try and edit the wuc galleries settings and it was taking forever... I just realized that I was using the edit album option accidentally.. lol02:42
@rizenyeah the gallery needs some serious performance tuning02:42
@rizeni've posted a bug about that02:43
@tavistoyeah it's slooooo02:43
+perlDreamerSorry, no more bugs02:43
+perlDreamerThe bug list is full02:43
@tavistobut hey, I'm going to change the group to add files to registered users if that's okay.. so our attendees can upload pics to wuc 0802:43
@tavistounless you'd rather me setup a cs and have peeps upload their zips there02:44
@rizenisn't it already registered users?02:45
@rizeni thought i set that02:45
@tavistonah admins.. comments is set to reg users tho02:45
@tavistoi can change it then02:45
@tavistopatspam, you should be good to go now.. zip and upload my brotha02:46
@tavistoclick add a photo and then click on the zip archive button and you're set02:48
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knowmadCan one of the webgui.org site admins make rogier's post "The goal" a sticky post?03:29
knowmadI think it'd be worthwhile to keep that focus as discussions progress03:30
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patspamtavis: just running off to a meeting, will post em when i get back!03:34
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@tavistono problem patspam, I just updated a bunch of the captions. I'm off to dinner.. ttyl03:45
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@perlmonkey2Anyone thinking of using JSON as collateral, all I have to say is what can be blessed can be unblessed (KABLAM!!!!)   <------special effects to help make point.04:00
@perlmonkey2I guess before making that point, maybe I should check to see if people are already doing that and I'm just late to the game.04:01
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@perlmonkey2So, is this brilliant or just obvious?  Take a blessed object, unbless it, encode the resultant hash, store in DB.  Grab the JSON from the DB, decode it, bless it as that object again.  Magic or not?07:22
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@perlmonkey2Okay, I agree, lame.07:24
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* patspam looks around for the "add a photo" button in the WUC Gallery08:01
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7411 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: Fix a bug where Show Message on Login didn't work with anonymous08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: registration for WebGUI auth. Added POD to the Auth createAccountSave08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: method to detail that what it returns is important.08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7412 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm): Make showMessageOnLogin sticky for the right setting.08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7413 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting showMessageOnLogin bug fixes from HEAD08:23
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elninogood evening!  how can I tell that my upgrade of wre was sucessful?08:57
@Haargwhat version?08:58
elninoI went from 083 to 08408:58
@Haargwell, there shouldn't be much to screw up.  there ended up being a module missing for if you are going to use 7.5.08:59
elninoit basically said done.  btw, the errata that jt sent out said to install Scalar::List::Utils, but my cpan didn't know what that was, so I installed Scalar::Util. is that ok?09:01
elninoI have 7.4.4009:01
elninoI updated the http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/upgrade-wre-v0.8.x wiki with my observation of that package.09:03
@HaargScalar::List::Utils is what it is called somewhere, but it contains Scalar::Util and List::Util09:03
@Haargso installing Scalar::Util will grab the right distro09:04
elninothat's what it looked like to me.09:04
elnino.. so there isn't a why to see what wre is currently running?09:04
@Haargcurrently running?  no really.09:04
@Haargchecking the changelog is the closest you'll get.09:05
elninothat's too bad. that would be handy.09:05
elninowell, that's upgraded when I extract it =)09:05
@Haargwell, the meaining of 'currently running' doesn't entirely work with the wre09:05
@Haargsince it's just a bunch of other components packaged together09:06
elninooh.  ok. would it be possible to see the version of each of those components? - just out of curiousity... =)09:08
@Haargcertainly would be possible09:11
@Haargbut i couldn't say exactly what it would be09:11
elninook.  just looking for a warm fuzzy that all is well with wre and it's components.09:11
elninodifferent question...09:11
@Haarg/data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -V09:11
@Haargfor example09:11
elninoand, I think I answered my other question... =) Thanks for your help Graham09:12
elninoyou dont' know anything about ssmpt by anychance do you? 09:13
elninowelll, yes, I mean smTP, but it's really SSmtp with two s's09:14
elninoit's a lightweight sendmail09:15
elninook. thought I'd try. =)  good night.09:15
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patspamevening Bart :)11:07
BartJolI hav enot sufficient right to look at your latest post...11:08
BartJolhave you heard anyone about 7.5.2211:09
BartJolI was hoping it would be out...11:09
@Haargnext week probably tuesday11:10
BartJolwhoa, still awake?11:12
BartJolok thanks11:12
@Haarghalf awake at least11:12
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@bopbophello wgGUest1016:54
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wgGuest10how are you17:01
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wgGuest10i was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm interested in webgui but I'm completely lost. I am a graphic designer, and design few webpages. I have a client that would like a members area and i have no clue on how to set that up17:03
@bopbopyou can set up a group of users for the members, and assign that group on the security tab of any page you wish to be members only17:04
wgGuest10is there a way to set up the page that when they register and pay their monthy fee they will automatically be added to the users?17:05
@bopbopyes, there is commerce available in WebGUI, and there is a subscription application17:05
wgGuest10and is there something special i need to load to my server for webgui to work?17:06
@bopbopone of the developers would be better able to answer that- perhaps preaction would be willing to answer if he's around17:06
@bopbopyou could also look here: http://www.webgui.org/download17:07
wgGuest10ok, well i must say that you have given me more informaiton today that what i got yesterday. This thing is about to blow my brain up...17:07
@bopbopor post to the install/upgrade forum on webgui.org17:07
@bopbopcheck wiki.webgui.org as well17:08
wgGuest10ok thanks17:08
@bopbopgood luck17:08
wgGuest10ok, one more dumb question,17:12
wgGuest10do you have to have some special knowledge to download webgui onto your computer, or is there an online version?17:12
@bopbopwell, it's not always easy to install, but I suggest you install it with WRE17:14
@bopbopthat's the WebGUI Runtime Environment17:14
@bopboponce you get started, you can come back out here if you get stuck17:15
@rizendon't install webgui17:15
@rizenif this is your first time out use the demo server17:15
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@rizenplay around with it17:15
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@rizenlearn how to use it17:15
@rizenand after you come to see how awesome it is, then worry about installing it, or even better yet, find a hoster that fits your needs17:16
wgGuest10will webgui work on existing sites?17:17
@rizendo you mean will it edit existing html pages?17:18
@rizenit's not an HTML editor like Dreamweaver if that's what you're asking17:18
@rizenit's an application server...designed to build out very dynamic and interactive sites17:18
@rizennot flat html pages17:18
wgGuest10yeah i know that, i have the pages already designed, i am looking for a program that will allow me to have a members area17:18
@rizenwebgui will do that17:19
@rizenas bopbop said17:19
wgGuest10even if my server is not on location, the site is hosted by someone else17:19
@rizenthe server has to be designed to support webgui17:19
@rizenyou can't use a $2/mo hoster17:19
wgGuest10ok, thanks for the info, 17:20
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@rizenmethinks he wanted to use a $2/mo hoster. =)17:20
@rizentavisto: i think that mccain gave a great speech last night17:21
@rizenit reminded me of the old mccain17:21
@tavistothe 2000 mccain eh?17:21
@rizeni really liked the old mccain17:21
@tavistoI kinda thought he was a snake in the grass previously.. but he turned out to be okay17:22
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@khennI still think he's a snake in the grass tbh17:29
@khenns/he's/he's still/17:30
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@perlmonkey2By definition aren't all politicians snakes in the grass?18:28
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BartJolyou have some that hide in the sand18:50
BartJolbut nice weekend everyone18:50
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+perlDreamerMorning, folks.18:59
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perlmonkey21good morning perlDreamer19:01
+perlDreamerperlmonkey21: you've been promoted19:02
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perlmonkey21oh, ghosted19:08
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you see my IM's yesterday about blessing and unblessing objects in order to JSONify them?19:10
+perlDreamerCould you resend them, please?19:11
@Haargif you need to JSON the structure of an object, you can just turn on allow_blessed 19:12
@perlmonkey2Oh they were on irc.  Basicallyl like what I just said.  Take an entire object, unbless it, remove any circular references, and it is ready to be serialized.  Then when you need it again, deserialize and bless, add back circular references and you have the exact same obejct19:12
@perlmonkey2Haarg: I haven't had much luck getting that to work.19:12
@perlmonkey2Probably just doing something wrong19:12
+perlDreamerSession is a circular reference19:13
@perlmonkey2oh, looks like you need a convert_blessed option enabled also19:13
+perlDreamerThis is a function of JSON.pm?19:14
@perlmonkey2but convert_blessed just looks for a to_json method in the target objec.t19:14
@perlmonkey2So you still have to return a non-blessed reference somehow19:14
@Haargwhat kind of object is this?19:15
@perlmonkey2Haarg: these are Survey objects.  No connection to WG.19:17
@perlmonkey2actually just a single survey object that contains all the member objects to handle all the data manipulation.19:17
@Haargyou probably wouldn't want to unbless it19:17
@perlmonkey2But after each post, it can be grabbed from the DB, deserialized, blessed, used as needed, unblessed, serialized and stored back in teh DB.19:18
@Haargbut copying everything into a new hashref might be fine19:18
@perlmonkey2Haarg: what's wrong with unblessing it?  Seems to just return the original hashref19:18
@perlmonkey2and it is a super lazy solution, which I like19:18
@Haargwell, anything expecting to use it as an object after doing that will break19:19
+perlDreamerbless and unblessing hashrefs has serious speed penalties on CentOs, Redhat and Fedora19:19
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: okay, I'll just create a copy of the data and return it.  So much for being lazy.19:20
@Haargnot much difference really19:21
@perlmonkey2Haarg: I would only unbless it right before serializing and returning19:21
@Haargyeah, but what if something else had a ref to it?19:21
+perlDreamerit would work fine on the WRE, just not in a native distribution perl19:21
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@Haargto_json({ %{$self} })19:21
@Haargseems simpler than unbless really19:22
@perlmonkey2Haarg: that works?  casting a blessed ref to a hash?19:22
@perlmonkey2that is too cool19:22
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@Haargyeah, it works just like any other hashref19:22
@perlmonkey2I don't have any real experience with Perl OO besides Moose19:22
@perlmonkey2all I ever used19:22
@Haargonly reason json handles it differently is because treating an object like a hash as a general rule isn't a very good idea19:23
@Haargbut you have full control of your object19:23
+perlDreamerHaarg, at some point we need to check out each other's JSON collateral methods and build WebGUI::JSONCollateral from both of them.19:24
@Haargwell, it isn't too hard to add json stuff to update/get19:25
@Haarglike jt did for the bazaar19:25
+perlDreamerI haven't read the Bazaar code yet.19:25
@Haargbut it gets less friendly when you have collateral tables19:25
@Haargi've only looked at get/update in the bazaaritem asset19:27
@Haargreally we should be moving to using some kind of object mapping for collateral tables19:28
@perlmonkey2Haarg: What does that mean?19:29
@Haarglike dataform as an example, should have a DataForm::Entry class for interacting with the entries19:30
@perlmonkey2Oh right19:30
@Haarginstead of just having a bunch of methods on the dataform class19:30
+perlDreamerWouldn't having an external class do that?  Like WebGUI::Keywords?19:31
@perlmonkey2I've created Survey::* for my objects, but so far they aren't in charge of put/get'ing themselves from teh DB.19:31
@Haargi'm speaking more of a specific class for dataform things19:31
@Haargit might make sense to have it subclass some kind of general collateral class though19:32
+perlDreamerthat's what I was thinking19:36
+perlDreamersomething that can be used to reorder, serialize, deserialize and the like19:36
+perlDreamerthen the client classes just wrap and handle the db access19:36
+perlDreamerNo good?19:38
@Haargi really want to decouple our class structure from strictly Parent::Child19:38
+perlDreamerthat's why I said "client"19:39
+perlDreamerit would be a pseudo-mixin, like keywords19:39
@Haargthat wasn't really in relation to what you said, just a related thought19:39
+perlDreamerah, sorry19:39
@Haargit could be done, but would involve a number of changes and may lead to performance problems19:40
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juani have created a site in WebGUI 7.4.40 and then i upgraded to the latest version 7.5.21, then i go to the asset manager from that site and it doesn't show me anything20:09
juananother sites that i have in the same server are working excellent20:10
juanWhat is the problem?20:10
@preactionjuan, check the error logs?20:14
juanthe error logs not show me errors20:16
juani am checking20:16
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juanreally doesn't show errors20:23
+perlDreamertry clearing the cache20:32
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zylopfajuan, 20:56
zylopfaI got the exact same problem as you20:56
zylopfaalso i got problems with the data forms already created at the sites20:56
zylopfaI think i deleted the site and recreated it in the new webgui version20:57
CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7414 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: 20:59
CIA-39WebGUI: Added a new method getLineageSql() which is called the same was that getLineage20:59
CIA-39WebGUI: is called but returns the SQL that is generated by the getLineage call rather20:59
CIA-39WebGUI: than and arrayRef of assetIds or instantiated assets. This method is now called20:59
CIA-39WebGUI: by getLineage.20:59
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@Haargi'm going to add an iterator version of getLineage23:26
@Haargthis is what i have at this point: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1786691223:27
@Haargany thoughts?23:27
+perlDreamer! @{ $assetList }23:27
@Haargyeah, i know the style isn't perfect23:27
@Haargneeds some docs as well23:28
+perlDreamerDid you want a lazy iterator?23:28
@Haargthe idea is the convenience of returnObjects without the huge memory bloat if you are working on a large section of the site23:29
+perlDreamerInstead of building the list and accessing one element at a time23:30
@Haargyeah, i was thinking of that23:30
+perlDreameryou just give the iterator access to a statement handle23:30
+perlDreamerand call it as many times as needed23:30
@Haargwasn't sure if i wanted to keep a db statement open for that long23:30
@Haargprobably better to go that route though23:31
@Haargthat stuff can be tweaked though23:31
@Haargi'd be more interested if you see problems with the api23:31
+perlDreamerNo, as long as it never needs external placeholders, it's fine23:32
+perlDreamerI did build a mini paginator into getIsa recently though23:32
+perlDreamerso that you could read a chunk, remember where you were, then read where you left off23:32
+perlDreamerIt's part of the new product stock monitoring workflow23:33
+perlDreamerIt's in my experimental branch, if you're curious23:33
@Haargalso ty khenn for splitting out getLineageSql23:34
+perlDreamerYeah, khenn++23:34
+perlDreamerIt's a great idea23:34
@khennit was preactions idea to split them out23:34
@khennI'll give credit where credit is due =23:34
+perlDreameryeah, but who did the hard work of coding and testing it?23:35
@khennit was my idea to return the SQL23:35
+perlDreameroh wait a sec, there's no tests!23:35
@Haargi was planning on doing that at some point so i could do the interator thing23:35
@preactionbut now there can be, no?23:35
@Haargbut now i don't have to :)23:35
@khennyou can write the tests!23:36
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@Haargone down side to having private branches is you can get too many of them23:40
@Haargi have 13 right now23:40
@preaction.... wow23:41
* perlDreamer recommends a good pruner23:41
@Haargwell, hopefully i'll be killing a couple of those off soon23:42
+perlDreamerI'll get an alibi for you23:42
+perlDreamer"No sir, your honor.  He was on IRC the whole time."23:42
+perlDreamer"It's not possible, Friday night is the night he pushes our new releases.  There wouldn't have been any time for him to kill branches."23:43
@Haargthat's annoying.  pastebin treats @@ at the beginning of a line as special and filters it out23:47
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+perlDreamerLisp sucks23:56
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Lisettehow to do a sql report with parameters23:59
--- Day changed Sat Sep 06 2008
+perlDreameris there an easy way to package multiple templates at the same time?00:03
@preactionbesides putting them in a folder?00:03
+perlDreamerYes.  Assume that they're scattered throughout the system00:04
+perlDreamerLike updating the Layout templates to remove the paragraph tags around the description00:04
@preactionnot that i know of00:04
+perlDreamerI think I feel another utility script coming on00:04
+perlDreamertemplateFiler is a good start00:05
+perlDreamerbut now that updates happen as packages, it's only good for local hackery.00:05
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@khennSo YUI Datatables are fun00:33
@khennI got a YUI DataTable loading, paginating, and sorting inside a dynamically loading tabform00:33
+perlDreamerIs that for the new bug tracker?00:33
@khenni'd snap a screenshot but I can't figure out where they are going on my mac00:35
@Haargusually to the desktop00:36
@khennyeah they aren't00:36
@khennshift-ctrl-apple-3 right?00:36
@preactionshift+apple+3, no ctrl00:36
@Haargctrl puts it in the clipboard00:36
@Haargcool, apparently one of the updates to iTerm fixed xterm mouse scrolling00:44
@khennI have it functional now00:47
@khenngoing to spend the weekend adding features00:47
@khennand writing a migration script for the collab systems00:47
@khennand watching football00:47
+perlDreamerHopefully not in that order.00:48
+perlDreamerYou have to have priorities, you know00:48
@khennand yeah I know I still have to format dates and users and stuff00:48
@khennI'm going to do all of them at the same time00:49
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+perlDreamerWhat's with the spam on the dev list?01:07
+perlDreamerOne guy wants to get paid to make a plugin for HTML::Template::Compiled01:07
+perlDreamernow there's perl certified hosting?01:07
@khennI don't see the one for the one who wants to make HTML::Template::Compiled01:09
@khennyeah I don't even understand that01:12
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CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7415 /WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: improve message from testEnvironment.pl when you have the latest version01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7416 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content doesn't decode alternate character sets01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7417 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added: getLineageIterator method to simplify working on large sets of assets01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: improve message from testEnvironment.pl when you have the latest version01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7419 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content doesn't decode alternate character sets01:46
+perlDreamernice tests, Haarg!01:49
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7420 /WebGUI/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Remove paragraph tags around descriptions in Layout templates.02:18
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+perlDreamerhowdy hightekvagabond02:32
+perlDreamerhow was the frog flinging?02:32
hightekvagabondGood, I go back tomorrow02:34
hightekvagabondI work that booth all season, every weekend until October02:34
+perlDreamerSounds fun02:35
hightekvagabondThe best thing is I can treat pretty women in ways that I'd get a sexual harrassment suite for anywhere else ;)02:35
+perlDreamerJust be careful, there's lots of room in those gowns for sharp objects02:36
hightekvagabondthey all have to be saftey bonded02:36
hightekvagabondbesides, I'm good at keeping an eyes out for such things, much experiance there ;)02:37
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7421 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): backport Layout template changes02:52
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hightekvagabondhow was the WUC?03:07
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topsubWhich nav element is best for main site navi? I need drop menus05:43
topsubpending there is one built in05:43
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CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7425 /translations/Spanish/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server06:48
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CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7426 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (381 files in 97 dirs): 07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: merged r6807:7413 from trunk07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: also moved custom sql out of create.sql into enable_flux.pl script07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7427 /branch/WebGUI_flux/enable_flux.pl: Added script for enabling flux on new sites, e.g. for modifying db schema to support Flux07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7428 /branch/WebGUI_flux/README.txt: WebGUI_flux: added a README for people who want to play with the Flux branch07:46
patspamquestion for my small WebGUI::Inbox::Message API addition.. if JT says "you are approved to add it to the core" does that mean check it in to trunk or 7.5 branch?08:03
patspamI'll start with trunk..08:05
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7429 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Patch to allow overriding of email message & subject for inbox messages (see http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/overriding-inbox-emails/3)08:17
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SynQHi there :)15:56
SynQand I'm off to visit some famility16:25
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wgGuest62Any news about WRE 0.8.5?17:17
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7430 /WebGUI/t/Macro/RootTitle.t: 00:43
CIA-39WebGUI: Fixed a test that should have been failing for a long time.00:43
CIA-39WebGUI: getLineage != get('lineage')?00:43
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CIA-39WebGUI: Remove single quote from the list of allowable characters.00:43
CIA-39WebGUI: Remove single quotes from parsed International macros in the template tester.00:43
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elninowow. small crowd tonight.04:13
elninoI have a question about sendmail, but I don't know the proper terms to look it up in the "documentation" wondering if someone can at least point me to the right direction.04:15
@preactionjust ask04:16
elninoI have a VPS, hopefully 3 sites will eventually be hosted on it. I have the smtp server hosted at google. 04:16
elninoright now I have ssmtp installed. which I thought was a good alternative to sendmail04:17
elninoit was easy to install and simple to configure.04:17
elninoit works, but the emails sent from the sites are sent from "gmail" as opposed to the actual domain04:17
elninoso I need to setup sendmail to send mail thru google's smtp server04:18
elninoand maintain the domain from which the email originated from.04:18
elninowhat is this called, and from what I gather04:18
@preactionlook in the sendmail docs for "smart relay"04:18
elninoI need to have a secure socket for sending mail out to and from google.04:18
elninoand will sendmail be able to handle more than one domain?04:19
elninoand I thought sendmail didn't have support for TLS  - whatver that is. google requires it.04:19
@preactionit probably does04:20
@preactionsendmail can do just about anything04:20
elninohow does exim rate?04:20
elninoI'm on a debian server, and apparently that is what they usually have installed by default.04:21
elninois "smart relay" = "smart host"?04:21
@preactionsmart host sound right, yes04:21
@preactioni've never used exim, just sendmail and postfix04:22
elninohttp://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison -- they need a matrix like cmsmatrix.  =)04:24
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elnino_laptopdid I miss anything since my last comment. I need to buy a network cable!!04:27
elnino_laptopoh.. I was going to ask, wre dosn't include a MTA already, does it?04:28
patspamelnino: I'm doing the same thing, smart host on a VPS sending via gmail04:34
patspamI set it up the other day using exim04:34
patspamrough notes here: http://paddypedia.patspam.com/index.php?title=Exim04:34
elnino_laptopyou are!?!?! you've beened added to my friend list!!04:34
patspamheh, surely i was already on it after the wuc! ;)04:35
elnino_laptopyes.. of course!04:35
patspami'm just using it on a dev box atm, but i had the same motivation, just wanted something that works without having to run a fully fledged mail server locally04:36
patspami'm off (father's day brunch), let me know if you run into anything that should be added to the notes04:37
elnino_laptopso,   what commandline do you use to test exim? does it install mail or mailx?  Thank you so much!04:37
elnino_laptopHappy Fathers Day!04:38
patspamheh, not for me, for my dad ;)04:38
patspammy server is Ubuntu-based so i think i installed mailx to get a "mail" command for testing04:38
patspambut i also just tested by telnetting into port 2504:38
elnino_laptopok good enough for me to go on... have a good bunch!04:39
patspamand then just pointed WebGUI at it and generated some emails04:39
patspamif the notes work for you i might add them to the webgui wiki04:40
patspamanyway, ttyl :)04:40
hightekvagabonddidn't fathersday happen a few months ago?04:40
@preactionin the US mayb04:41
hightekvagabondyou guys have a different father's day then us?04:41
hightekvagabondlearn something new every day04:42
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elnino_laptophttp://www.fathersdaycelebration.com/fathers-day-date.html - interesting.04:55
hightekvagabondthat IS interesting04:58
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wgGuest89Any news about WRE 0.8.5?15:18
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7432 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: Fixed a bug in getLineageSql which was returning an empty array ref in certain cases.19:51
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7433 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: check for valid data, not just its existance in the Instance parameters01:33
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7434 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/ (12 files in 2 dirs): porting over getTTL method to private branch01:33
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7436 /branch/colin-experimental/t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t: change workflow to realtime, move inbox to top to help deal with test failures more gracefully02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7437 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: RFE: Add workflow that checks all products to see if they are close02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: to a user configured level, and email a group to let them know that02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: they are close to being out of stock.02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7438 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: check for valid data before decoding from JSON, undef still exists02:41
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doc777Can anyone tell me where the text "labels" for forms are stored. Like on the create account page?  ;-)07:03
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Lisettehello i try do a sql report with parameters from a form, with post, but the sql don't read this, how to do?16:31
BartJolfrom a dataform you mean?16:32
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BartJolhee patspam, is it already morning for you?16:32
Lisettean article with a html16:33
patspamheh no, just heading off to bed16:33
patspamabout midnight here16:33
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BartJolah, goodnight then16:33
BartJolLisette, what kind of info are you trying to get from the article:16:34
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BartJolyou can only get what's in the Article, asset and assetData tables16:35
Lisettei have a sql report16:36
Lisettebut in the sql report in the placeholder parameters i have this16:37
Lisetteform: fecha116:37
Lisetteform: fecha216:37
Lisetteand in the article the next16:37
BartJolI think in this way these will not get into the database when a user selects a date16:41
Lisettehow to do this?16:41
BartJolbut more "function parameters"16:41
BartJolwell if you've got a calendar with events, this becomes easier16:42
BartJolI expect that the dates are real events that should be stores somewhere?16:43
BartJolbe back in 1016:43
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BartJolLisette: I'm back16:52
BartJolso what do you actually want to do with the entered form values?16:54
BartJolLisette: yes to what question exactly?16:56
BartJol I need more information16:56
Lisettei want that the user enter the dates16:56
BartJolwhat should happen with the dates?16:59
BartJolare they begin and end dates of an event?17:00
Lisettethe query is the next:17:00
Lisetteselect count(*)17:00
Lisettefrom asset17:00
Lisettewhere parentId = 'KgRk_sXKU-X8tiTVSCii6w'17:00
Lisetteand className = 'WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread'17:00
Lisetteand creationDate between unix_timestamp('?') and unix_timestamp('?')17:00
BartJolwhere fecha1 and 2 are the entries for the ?'s ?17:02
BartJoland you calculate the fecha's back to epoch somewhere?17:03
BartJolI don't see that in your form17:03
BartJolso as I see it now, fecha1 and 2 are still human formatted dates17:04
Lisettein the name of input17:04
Lisetteyes this it17:04
BartJolyou should search your mysql documentation to look how you search with a normal date input as a search field17:13
Lisetteand i have that this way17:16
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SynQ2hi there17:19
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SynQ2the dutch primer has been uploaded to the bazaar17:27
@bopbopgreat- thanks for doing that17:28
LisetteBartJol: do you know?17:37
BartJolLisette: I might, but I don't really understand what you have done and what not and in what order things are executed17:38
BartJolyou wanna search for entries in a CS that are submitted between two user chosen dates, right?17:39
Lisettei want count a thread of CS between a dates specified by the user17:39
BartJolsorry I forgot it was a count17:39
BartJolso you have a form where a user can enter the dates17:40
BartJolthese are submitted as form variables17:40
BartJoland with these variables you want to perform a search in the db for the count of threads17:41
BartJolis that it?17:41
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BartJolI think it's easier to do with a custom macro17:48
BartJolyou can extract the form variables in the macro and do the sql query in the macro and return the value17:49
Lisetteok, thanks17:50
@perlmonkey2Death to all inline JS.17:52
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@tavistooh I thought you and JS were buddies17:56
@perlmonkey2tavisto: but three is a crowd.  It's either me an Perl or me and JS.  I can't handle both together.17:57
@perlmonkey2I'm just not that kind of dude.17:57
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BartJolhee Martin!18:36
BartJolhow goes it?18:36
@tavistoDutch team!18:36
+MrHairgreaseit goes good18:37
+MrHairgreasehow make you it?18:37
@tavistouh... I make it good18:37
BartJolhe, it's the metrosexual guy :)18:37
+MrHairgreaseI make it with perl18:37
BartJolsorry Tavis...18:38
@tavistono.. it's the OQAPI guy18:38
+MrHairgreaseI know he is18:38
BartJolnice sweater indeed...18:38
@tavistohehe.. the other night everyone was asking me about my hoodie... I told them all about it18:38
@tavistothey were arguing about if the animal was real or not... hehe18:38
BartJolwell it isn't blue18:39
+MrHairgreaseit is in Switzerland18:39
+MrHairgreasethey have purple cows there as well18:39
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@tavistoheh nice...18:40
BartJolI don't see blue oqapi's...18:40
@tavistowell we have trees in the middle of bars here18:41
SynQ2tavisto my main man :)18:41
@tavistoey Cone!18:41
@tavistoDo you miss your Caddy?18:41
SynQ2Volkswagen Caddy ;)18:42
SynQ2I decided I like my beamer better18:42
@tavistoKoen I'm not surprised.. probably more sporty18:42
SynQ2and more relaxed too18:42
@tavistoI told you it was a fun car though... and meant for old peeps18:42
SynQ2here I have a Tessa to drive it18:42
BartJolbut my ugly pt cruiser performed better than my opel astra18:43
SynQ2went to Lionel Richie yesterday18:43
@tavistohaha... Bart is going to buy a PT Cruiser18:43
BartJolbut the automatic gearbox was a downer18:43
+MrHairgreaseyou mean it actually drives18:43
BartJolit already drives, I repaired it thursday18:43
@tavistowow Lionel is the man18:43
+MrHairgreasebtw: everybody knows that cars without an automatic gearbox are broken18:43
SynQ2meant for old peeps :)18:44
BartJollike Joeri's that wil be towed to the car-graveyard18:49
+MrHairgreaseno, that car is not broken because it is an automatic18:49
+MrHairgreaseit's broken because it is18:50
+MrHairgreasea pile of crap18:50
@tavistowhat is it?18:50
+MrHairgreaseand now he has a broken car18:50
+MrHairgreasewhich drives18:50
BartJola volvo?18:50
+MrHairgreasebut is a stick shift18:50
SynQ2and the worst pile of crap out there18:50
+MrHairgreasePeugeot I think18:50
+MrHairgreaseKarin's car18:50
BartJolthat one is a peogeot yes18:51
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BartJolwell, going for dinner18:58
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SynQ2me 218:58
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@tavistoMrHairgrease, are you all recovered from jet lag?19:00
+MrHairgreaseguess so19:00
+MrHairgreaseI never have much of a jet lag anyway19:01
+MrHairgreaseonly the day of arrival19:01
+MrHairgreasethe next I might be yawning a bit more than usual19:01
+MrHairgreasebut I'll be fully functional, zo to say19:02
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@perlmonkey2bah, the high today will only be about 26C.  That is unacceptable for September.19:16
* perlmonkey2 goes to create more CO2 and while he's at it get more caffeine from the quickshop19:16
+perlDreamerYour preference for the Halfling's bean has dulled your senses, perlmonkey219:17
@perlmonkey2In a warmer world, coffee will have a longer growing season.  What else needs to be said?19:19
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+perlDreamerIs there a kind soul out in the WebGUI verse who would be willing to run a test for me?19:34
+perlDreamerI can't duplicate last night's smoke test failures19:34
@preactionAll tests successful.19:36
+perlDreamerHaarg, could a safe,sanitized copy of the nightly smoke test config files be made available?19:39
+perlDreamerthank you :)19:40
@Haargi'll check into it.  i haven't looked at how the smoke tests are being done.19:40
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@perlmonkey2In the bug about the gotchas not containing a warning that you must upgrade to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.5, where should that go?  in the 7.5.0 entry?19:56
+perlDreamerI think so.19:56
topsubIt seems when you have an Event threw the EventManagementSystem and if you do a direct link to buy it, it will allow you to buy it. Would this be a bug?20:07
topsubeven if its sold out20:08
+perlDreamerthat's a bug20:08
topsubk i will post it20:09
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7439 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Added gotcha about upgrading to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.520:18
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7440 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Macros.pm: display multiple aliases for macros in the Help20:18
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@perlmonkey2This 0 not showing up on an integer dataform submission has kicked my butt.  No idea why it isn't showing up21:54
+perlDreamerIt's already fixed22:10
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: the ticket is still open and no one else has commented on it?22:11
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'm at head and I still see teh bug22:11
@perlmonkey2The problem isn't that the zero isn't being recorded.  But that the template is not showing a zero.  getValueAsHtml seems to be the problem, but Im' not sure how.22:12
+perlDreamerI see22:15
+perlDreamerI only fixed 1/2 of it22:15
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: That was 41 revs ago and I still see it22:15
+perlDreamerIt shows up in the list all entires22:15
+perlDreamerbut not on the acknowledgement22:15
@perlmonkey2getOriginalValue seems to be failing to grab it for some reason22:15
@perlmonkey2which is ->get('value')22:16
@perlmonkey2help! my brain is melting22:17
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+perlDreamerthe template looks okay22:20
@perlmonkey2Now it looks like $self->{_params} isn't being set22:21
@perlmonkey2I'm dumping it on submits and if its '1' I see an int set to 1.  If it is 0, I see value = ''22:22
@preactionperlmonkey2, to be quite honest, i think your best bet will be to write a test for this, and then use the perl debugger to step through and see where 0 changes to ''. perhaps this is a problem with the Integer form control?22:23
topsubHas anyone ever thought about integrating a "slider" as a form control?  Make it so you can set the min and max numbers. And a user can drag between the max and min..22:26
@preactiontopsub, the IntSlider maybe?22:29
topsubah, i never looked for one just thought about if it would be useful.22:29
@preactioni don't think webgui uses it as much as it could22:31
topsubI was thinking about doing a  "money" one that auto does 2 dec places, but wasn't sure how much it would be used22:37
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* perlmonkey2 stabs himself in the eye22:41
BartJolShall I poke you in the other?22:45
@perlmonkey2A brick to the head would be more humane.22:46
BartJolYesterday I almost cut my finger off22:47
nubai crashed my car last week22:47
@preactionA m??se bit my sister ?nce22:48
BartJolwhat's with your o's22:48
* MrHairgrease had his shiny metal ass bitten22:48
nubaguess his keyboard was bitten too22:48
BartJolbut nerds are very agile people I see, when it comes to dealing with computers22:49
@preactionBartJol, http://www.smouse.force9.co.uk/monty.htm <- opening credits of Monty Python and the Holy Grail22:49
BartJolah :)22:50
@perlmonkey2A hair product bit your sister?22:54
@perlmonkey2BartJol: I'd imagine cutting off a finger would be quite tragic for a programmer.  I hope you don't attempt to cut off your finger again.22:55
+MrHairgreaseif you cut one22:56
+MrHairgreasei guess you should cut the other four as well22:56
BartJolalmot a horror movie: the one handed programmer22:57
@perlmonkey2Let's not do things by half measures, if you do one hand, you might as well do the other.22:57
BartJolit was jsut an accident22:57
@perlmonkey2Feeding a moose and it almost bit off a finger?22:57
+MrHairgreasewas it while shaving22:57
BartJolbut now I've got an excuse for my louzy typing22:58
+MrHairgreaseor while testing you machtte22:58
BartJolMrHairgrease: yes22:58
BartJolthe first22:58
@perlmonkey2Do you shave with a machete?22:58
BartJola small one22:58
+MrHairgreasebart is actually dundee22:58
BartJolbut a bit more clumsy22:58
+MrHairgreaseactually called* dundee22:58
@perlmonkey2He's Australian?  22:58
@perlmonkey2Or just Austrian?  22:59
BartJolNo, I only talk just as incromprehensive22:59
+MrHairgreasein the end everybody speaks garbled crap23:01
+MrHairgreasethat's why we get along so well i guess23:01
BartJolbut with two fingers in bandage, I did manage to fix my flat tire23:01
@perlmonkey2I say live wild, shave with a machete, as bionic fingers are cooler anyways.23:05
BartJolyeah, but everybody will think that I'm a star wars fan23:07
@perlmonkey2BartJol: At least all doubts to your paternity will be erased.23:07
@perlmonkey2I mean, who wouldn't want Darth as their father?23:08
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: bad logic inside there23:09
BartJolmy father doesn't have those, so I suspect I'll be darth vader once23:09
+perlDreamerinside getRecordTemplateVars23:09
+MrHairgreaseuse the mass times acceleration bart23:10
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'm looking there now.  But it is all bavarian to me.23:10
+perlDreamerWhen it's bavarian, it's time to drink beer.23:11
+perlDreamerI'm really glad things stopped looking greek, because I hate ouzo23:11
+MrHairgreaseTO THE ESSEN HAUS!23:11
+perlDreamerEssen Haus++, but only if the band isn't playing23:11
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: so $form->getValueAsHtml must be the problem child?23:13
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, maybe.23:18
+perlDreamergetValueAsHtml is seeded with a value23:18
+perlDreamerit could be from there, too23:18
@perlmonkey2All of Form seems incredibly complex.23:19
@perlmonkey2Why does getValueAsHtml pass long @_ to getOriginalValue which never grabs more than self.  Strang.e23:21
@preactionbecause of the potential for future enhancement23:22
@perlmonkey2Maybe some subclasses use it?23:22
@perlmonkey2I might just be too retarded to grok Form.  Always a possibility.23:22
@preactionthey shouldn't. subclasses should maintain the same method signatures23:22
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: getValueAsHtml just returns us to ->get('value');23:23
@perlmonkey2Maybe that call should be ->getValue?23:24
@preactioni'm still saying that you'd be best served by writing a test and using the debugger to step through things23:24
@preactionno, getValueAsHtml should always getOriginalValue23:24
@perlmonkey2I looked at writing a test and have no real clue where to start.  This thing is *huge*23:25
@perlmonkey2And I've rewritten lots of Form/ and added a few t/Form/*'s23:25
@preactionmake one for t/Form/Integer that tries to do what it's failing to do correctly23:26
@preactiongetValue i assume?23:26
@perlmonkey2No that works correctly.  Maybe get('value') is wrong.  Don't knwo23:27
@preactiongetValueAsHtml then maybe?23:28
@perlmonkey2That works too23:29
@perlmonkey2I'm not so sure it is in Form/ as it is in DataForm || FormValidator23:30
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topsubI am having trouble finding the form that gets displayed after you click "buy"  on an event.   Any suggestions23:37
+perlDreamertopsub, I'd recommend looking in Asset/Sku/EMS*.pm23:39
topsubperlDreamer, think i am refering to the one before them23:41
topsubone wher eyou can populate from address book23:41
+perlDreamerShop/AddressBook.pm ?23:42
topsubthe buy link is just a link to the asset23:44
topsubso it seems its some flag or something23:44
SynQIs JT ill?23:48
+perlDreamerDon't know23:48
SynQhe hasn't been posting to the WebGUI discussions23:49
SynQhe is?23:49
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, I have it23:49
SynQI'll have to send him a fruitbasket then23:49
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: oh for the love of all that is right in the world, please tell me!23:50
+perlDreamerIt's evil23:50
+perlDreamerLet's start at the top23:50
+perlDreamerThis is a new entry, so no entryId23:50
+perlDreamerand $entry is undefined23:50
+perlDreamerskip down to 65223:51
+perlDreamerEntry is undefined, so it does not pull data from the entryData hashref23:51
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+perlDreamerwith me so far?23:52
@perlmonkey2never occurred to me it would be that broken23:52
+perlDreamerignoreForm = 1, so the elsif below that is not executed23:52
+perlDreamerand there's no fallback23:52
+perlDreamerso $value is undefined23:52
+perlDreamerwhen $value is undefined in the Form call, it falls back to defaultValue, which iss ''23:52
+perlDreamer(empty string)23:53
@perlmonkey2that would imply that the submitted value doesn't matter23:53
@perlmonkey2but it does.  Any non-zero int is displayed23:53
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juani have several posts in a CS23:54
juani want to refresh the rating to 0 for all the posts23:54
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juanusing mysql i put in 0 all of them but i have some strange23:55
juani have a specific post when someone goes to rate it takes the original value that it has23:55
juanfor example it had 34 in rating23:56
juani put it in 023:56
juanif i go to rate again appears in 34 again23:56
juanwhat is the problem?23:56
+perlDreamerjuan, if you cleared it in the db, then it might be cached23:57
+perlDreamerhave you cleared the cache?23:57
+MrHairgreasedid you clear Post.rating as well as Thread.threadRating?23:57
juanI cleared the cache23:57
juani only cleared Post rating23:58
juani am going to check thread23:58
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, my bad.23:58
+MrHairgreasecheck threadRating for your magic 3423:58
+perlDreamerignoreForm = 0, for !ignoreForm = 123:58
+perlDreamerbut the form processed data is 0, which is false23:58
+perlDreamerneeds a defined check in there, or a non-empty string check, or something23:58
@perlmonkey2defined should work23:59
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@perlmonkey2Thanks perlDreamer.  I can now remove this fork from the back of my hand that I was using to help ignore the pain from this bug :)00:01
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juanMrHairgrease, i change the value in this both tables, cleared the cache but the problem continues, the post continues with the same rating value00:15
juani have changed both values to 0 in both tables Post.rating, Thread.threadRating but someonesi logged to rate the post takes its original value00:23
juani cleared cache, restarted the web server but the problem continues00:25
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juani made a copy from that CS, could be it the problem?00:27
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7441 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Form/Integer now shows 0 in post submission page (Thanks perlDreamer)00:27
juanhelp me00:40
BartJolalso cleared your browser cache?00:42
metanilhow do i know a new group has been created?? (any hook available??)00:44
juanbut i have 3 tables with rating Post.rating, Thread.threadRating and Post_rating.rating00:44
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juanin the 3 tables i delete the respective records00:44
juanbut when someone goes to rate again the post takes the original value00:45
juanmy question what about the table Thread_read00:45
juanhave to delete the records in this table, too?00:46
SynQHi there, shameless karma whore plug: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/what-makes-you-donate-your-karma00:50
SynQpreaction, perlDreamer, perlmonkey2, Haarg, MrHairgrease please respond to that discussion thread00:50
SynQI beg you :)00:50
@perlmonkey2What's in it for me?00:51
@perlmonkey2Nude photos of your beamer?00:51
@perlmonkey2And dude, I mean your car00:51
BartJolmetanil: just go to the group list00:54
BartJolor do you mean ntification?00:54
SynQphoto's of my beamer, hell yea00:55
SynQperlDreamer: are you around?00:55
SynQI have fixed a bug in the WRE00:55
+perlDreamerI'm here00:55
metanilBartJol: i mean .. i need to call a method, if a new group is created.00:55
SynQnow I'd like to close the report00:55
+perlDreamercan you give me a URL?00:55
SynQIt's this one http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-thread_cache-in-my.cnf00:56
SynQof course I'd like to get the karma that comes with closing a bug00:56
+perlDreameryou kind of did00:56
@perlmonkey2synq what is the rate of exchange for bugs for karma?00:56
+perlDreamerit's 10/post00:56
SynQsince I'm all in it for the karma ;)00:56
+perlDreamerso by saying that you closed it, you got 10 karma00:56
SynQThat is not a lot for all that hard work (open the file, change one number and then commiting it)00:57
SynQperlmonkey2: I have no idea00:57
+perlDreamerTechnically, we don't have a karma/bug thing00:57
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'm on janitor duty this week and have karma to burn :)00:57
+perlDreamerMost of the time, people who _fix_ bugs don't get karma00:58
@perlmonkey2SynQ: Yes, that deserves what, 200 more?00:58
+perlDreameraside from posting on the bug forum00:58
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, 500 at least00:58
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: then what does a big bug get?00:58
+perlDreamerthat's an 8-bit fix00:58
+perlDreamer50 karma00:59
+perlDreamerbut I tip big...00:59
@perlmonkey2course, whatever I give SynQ I'll have to give you 10x for the killer dataform bug00:59
+perlDreamerso, use your best judgement00:59
SynQI cannot sort the bug list00:59
BartJolmetanil: so when a group is created by an user, you want to trigger a workflow?00:59
metanilnot a workflow, just want call a method of my own class.01:00
+perlDreamerSynQ: In a way, you're in a bad position.  Karma is made for coders, designers, etc.01:00
+perlDreamerIt's hard for hosters to get karma.01:00
+perlDreamerAlthough, since BartJol works for you, his karma is technically owned by your company...01:01
+perlDreamerAnd translators don't get karma either.01:01
+perlDreamerwhich is a bummer01:01
BartJolwell, I get to report i18n bugs01:01
+perlDreamerThis is now I see karma01:02
+perlDreamerKarma is how to make PB do work for me.01:02
BartJolthat gives me karma01:02
+perlDreamerOr how to get me rank on the RFE list, which might make someone else build my RFE01:02
+perlDreameror, now, for buying stuff01:02
SynQuh huh01:02
SynQnow here is another problem01:02
SynQthis RFE http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/innodb-in-wre01:02
SynQI can make it happen01:02
BartJolmetanil: mmm I would like to dig in more, but I am getting a bit sleepy01:02
SynQbut I'm not sure if JT really wants that option in the WRE01:03
BartJolhey Koen, I saw an orer coming by01:03
metanilany other volunteer... i want to call a method as soon as any new group is created in webgui.. 01:03
+perlDreamermetanil, it will take custom code.  There's no plug-in point for doing that.01:04
+perlDreamerLook inside Operation/Group.pm and Group.pm01:04
@preactionmetanil, the only good way would be to make a workflow plugin point, commit it to core WebGUI, and make a workflow activity01:04
@preactionotherwise, you have to edit WebGUI, which usually fails when you upgrade01:04
SynQan orer?01:05
SynQan order for a gift basket perhaps?01:05
metanilworkflow plugin point sounds nice, but never done it before.01:05
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SynQBartJol: that is correct01:06
SynQbut don't mention it here01:06
BartJolhey, I've only got 8.5 fingers to type with01:06
BartJolwhat eggs?01:06
CIA-39WebGUI: koen * r7442 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: Fixed http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-thread_cache-in-my.cnf01:06
@perlmonkey2If PB puts InnoDB in the stack, wouldn't they then have to support it?01:08
@preactionwe're moving to innodb probably01:08
@preactionso we can maybe use drizzle01:08
@Haargwe wouldn't have to support webgui on innodb though01:08
@perlmonkey2Yeah, drizzle is ++ with teh sexy01:08
@Haarg(for now i mean)01:08
+cap10morganis it possible to delete questions from a survey asset?01:09
+cap10morgani feel sorta dumb, but i don't see the option...01:09
+cap10morgans/s/n, SynQ?01:09
SynQwould it be right for me to add innodb support into the wre svn repo?01:09
+cap10morganah, nope :)01:09
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SynQs/s/n ?01:09
+cap10morgansorry, thought maybe you were replying to me01:10
+cap10morganw/ a "no" that ended up a "so" :)01:10
SynQcap10morgan: I don't know the answer to your question01:11
BartJolI jsut tested it, just scroll down01:11
BartJol(in my template anyways01:11
@tavistoSynQ, how much karma will buy your Beamer?01:11
+perlDreamerFull text search doesn't work on INNOdb, so core WebGUI cannot be used on it.01:11
@tavistowe talking like 1500 or 2000?01:11
BartJolthere is a list with questions underneath the view grade stuff01:12
SynQtavisto: let's see01:12
@tavistoKarma is very high at the moment... Even higher than the Euro01:12
BartJolhis beamer? 10 for the purchase, 10000 every week for maintenance01:12
+perlDreamertavis has no karma01:12
SynQthat would be 1800000 karma01:12
+perlDreamer$1 = K10001:13
+perlDreamer1.8 MK01:13
BartJolcap10morgan: it might be that you use a template where the editable questions arwen't shown01:13
+cap10morganyeah, i'm thinking that's the case01:13
BartJolthan you can first choose the default one01:14
@tavisto*tavis creates a ball of fire and then molds it into 1799999 Karma*01:14
+cap10morgani upgrade this site to 7.5 recently from 7.401:14
@tavistoooooh.. looks like I don't have enough Koen01:14
+cap10morganBartJol: cool, will check that out. thanks.01:14
BartJolthen they should be there01:14
SynQtavisto: shipping it to the US would cost you 200000 karma too01:14
+perlDreamerthat's 200 kK01:14
SynQtavisto: if you come over here I'll let you drive it for 500 karma per 10 minutes :)01:15
@tavistoNah I would just come over and run it on the crazy german highway01:15
snapcountanyone experience trouble getting mod_proxy to start with wre 0.8.4 on a fresh install?01:15
snapcounterror about exceeding max forwards01:15
snapcountSLES 10.101:15
snapcountproxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /01:15
@tavistoSynq, how is the ICE trains?  I was looking at flights to Amsterdam and Frankfurt01:16
@tavistoer how are the trains01:16
SynQICE is ok but no match to the beamer01:16
SynQoh my01:16
SynQmy wife is calling me01:16
SynQI have to come to bed01:16
+perlDreamerShe wants pickle-peanut butter ice cream with chocolate sauce01:16
@Haargi know perlmonkey2 had an issue with that snapcount, but we never resolved it.  most likely something wrong with how the domain is resolving.01:17
SynQperlDreamer: not that, she wants me to rub her belly01:17
BartJoltraining from frankfurt to the netherlands? you should do that with a high speed train01:17
+perlDreamerEven better.01:17
snapcountHaarg: thanks... I checked that first =)01:17
@perlmonkey2snapcount: I have no idea how to fix it.  I'm just dev'ing so I'm only using modperl now01:17
SynQI'm off, but be warned, I'll read the backlog first thing in the morning01:17
snapcountresolves from command line but apache might have an issue01:17
BartJolbut directly to amsterdam is better tavisto01:17
SynQlater guys01:18
@tavistocya Synq01:18
BartJoltot morgen01:18
snapcountalso FYI - the errata post has a typo on the required modules01:18
+cap10morganBartJol: still in the template, just not showing up01:18
+cap10morganmaybe a bug in 7.5.21?01:18
snapcountit should be install Scalar::Util01:18
@perlmonkey2be back later tonight01:18
+cap10morganadmin is on, etc.01:18
+cap10morgani'll try it in a demo01:18
+cap10morganbeta demo is 7.5.21?01:19
@Haargyeah, Scalar-List-Utils is the name of the distro01:19
@Haargbeta and normal demo are both 7.5.2101:19
snapcountI'll keep digging Haarg and let you guys know if I figure it out... just thought I'd ask before I got into it01:20
+cap10morgannope, works in the demo01:20
+cap10morganso maybe a 7.4 -> 7.5 upgrade bug01:20
BartJolmm, just temporay set another template, see wath that does to it01:20
BartJolin a tag01:20
@Haargfirst thing i'll recommend, there is a section that proxies based on HTTP_PORT01:21
@Haargin the mod_proxy config01:21
+perlDreamercheck the template for typos, cap10morgan01:21
+cap10morgannope, it wasn't there when the site was in 7.401:21
+cap10morganit's still the default (and only) template01:21
@Haargi'd remove that.  i don't think it will fix the problem, but that part is basically useless and will be removed.01:22
@HaargHTTP_HOST rather01:22
BartJolstrange, I've got a 7.5.8 site and it does show the edit buttons01:22
BartJoldefault template01:23
BartJolwhat kinda use are you? If you're not admin that might give troubles01:24
+cap10morganadmin is on01:24
+cap10morganuser is in the admins group01:24
+cap10morganthe other controls are there01:24
+cap10morganthe add question, add section stuff01:25
snapcountHaarg: commenting out the first rewrite cond for port 80 and the proxy directive fixed it for me01:25
snapcountnot sure why that's even there really01:25
snapcountnever did figure it out01:25
@Haargit serves no purpose now01:25
snapcountoh ok01:26
@Haargthe second rewrite used to be different01:26
@Haargand then it was needed01:26
@Haargbut when i changed the second rewrite, i neglected to take out the first one01:26
snapcountmaybe that can be yanked in wre 0.8.5 then01:26
snapcountnot sure if it causes grief with other distros01:26
@Haargi've been meaning to commit that change for a few days01:27
snapcountanyways, thanks for your time man01:27
BartJolcap10morgan: can it be hidden by some other div in the page template? if so, you should be able to find it in the html source01:27
snapcountappreciate it01:27
+cap10morganBartJol: yeah, was about to check that01:27
+cap10morgannope, not in the html01:32
+cap10morgani'm gonna compare my copy of the template to the demo site01:32
+cap10morganjust in case01:32
BartJolwell, otherwise I have no ideas left...01:33
+perlDreamerNo ideas left?01:35
+perlDreamerOne finger, please01:35
BartJolwell, it's gettin late here01:36
BartJolright now I should be doing something else in my bed. like sleeping01:36
BartJolbut I hang on for a moment to see how cap will do01:37
BartJolfor the moment I can only annoy you with sailing pictures: http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr08/slides/ZR8-5950.html01:38
+cap10morganno differences in the templates01:40
+cap10morgancopied them to text files and ran diff on them01:40
+cap10morganbetween pb demo site and my site01:40
+cap10morganso weird!01:40
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7443 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template: no longer need requite rule to deal with port in host01:40
+cap10morganit's like the section.questions_loop is empty01:40
+cap10morgantime to dive into the code01:41
BartJolmaybe there's a change in the db, you might check the gotchas first01:42
+cap10morganalways do before an upgrade01:42
BartJolwise men01:42
+cap10morganbesides, this survey was created w/ this version of webgui01:42
+cap10morganlet's see what the sql that populates that variable returns for this survey01:43
+cap10morganok, that works, assuming the right values are ending up in the query when it runs01:45
+cap10morgani'll spit it out in the log file01:45
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+cap10morganah ha!01:56
+perlDreamerwhat is it?01:56
+cap10morganthe section query returns no sections01:56
+cap10morganso somehow that got corrupted...01:56
+perlDreameruh oh01:56
+cap10morganthat's odd01:56
+perlDreamerso why does it work on beta?01:56
+cap10morgani would assume it does return a section there01:56
+cap10morganall the questions on my site have a section id01:56
+cap10morgani just need to see why this query has no results01:57
+cap10morganand we have a questions_loop, ladies and gentelmen01:58
+cap10morganthank you for playing Debugging WebGUI01:58
+cap10morgani'm your host, cap10morgan, signing off for now01:58
+perlDreamerwhat was the problem?01:58
+cap10morgani have no idea01:59
+perlDreamerbut it works now?01:59
+cap10morgana co-worker created the survey01:59
+cap10morgani don't know if she did something weird to make it not generate a default None section01:59
+cap10morganor if she could have somehow deleted it along the way01:59
+cap10morganbut it does seem like there's at least a UI bug in there somewhere01:59
+cap10morgansince it seems like you wouldn't want to be able to get yourself into this situation02:00
+perlDreamermaybe she's cursed02:00
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BartJolwell, good to know that the problem is analysed, now, I'm going to sleep02:04
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+cap10morganyeah, she deleted the section02:07
+cap10morganbut it didn't delete the questions under it, it just made it impossible to edit or delete them any further because it made the section.questions_loop variable become empty02:08
+cap10morganso that seems like a bug02:08
+perlDreamerpost it02:08
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2 loves to fix survey bugs02:08
+cap10morganhuh, the demo stopped me02:09
+cap10morgansaid i was trying to delete a vital system component02:09
+cap10morganbut apparently it did not stop her02:09
+perlDreamerShe's not cursed, she's powerful!02:09
+perlDreameror maybe both02:09
+cap10morganman, how do users always find a way to trigger these corner cases?02:09
+cap10morganshe's a witch! burn her!02:10
+perlDreamerIs the key logger on her computer still working so we can figure out what she did?02:10
* cap10morgan checks02:10
+cap10morgannope, she crashed it by typing a rare sequence of keys that disables all key loggers02:10
+perlDreamerthe force is strong with this one02:11
+cap10morganit's true02:11
+cap10morganwell, hopefully she won't do it again.02:11
+perlDreamerActually, I hope she does, so she can tell us what she did.02:11
+perlDreamerif she did it without hacking the db, then it's still a bug02:12
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@preactionpatspam, about your bugs for the thingy. i had an idea to make a "getEditForm" for WebGUI::Form::Control and subclasses03:36
@preactionthis would be used by Thingy and by the User Profiling admin area03:36
@preactionooh, Content Profiling too03:36
@preactionthat would fix your problem, but it'd be a bit of work03:36
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topsubmorning??? its 9pm!04:03
patspampreaction: for specifying extra form options?04:05
@preactionpatspam, yeah. for getting form control configuration from the end-user04:05
@preactionone of the problems with our current solution is that we have one form for all controls, which means the help says "this doesn't apply to list-types" or other such04:06
@preactionwhich is confusing to the end user04:06
patspamyeah, and lots of extra options can't be specified (like range on sliders)04:06
patspamSurvey might be able to make use of that too04:07
@preactiondunno, but i have a few projects on my list that would04:07
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patspamperlmonkey2: you still awak?05:53
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7445 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: remove debug code07:05
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7446 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add a few more random tests, checking guid validity and getList return type07:05
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BartJolgoed morning, just as sunny as here?16:34
SDuensinIt's gloomy in St. Louis.16:35
topsubbout to storm in Charlotte!16:41
@perlmonkey2overcast in Oklahoma16:45
SDuensinAny of you geeks played with Cappuccino any?16:49
SDuensinrizen had talked about wanting to put a more "desktop" or "wigit-ish" admin panel and such in WebGUI before.  I'd say it's well worth the look.16:50
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@perlmonkey2SynQ: If you're around, could you show me the confirmation you received for the karma?  There appears to be a bug.16:53
BartJolSynQ is in a meeting16:55
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@perlmonkey2BartJol: Always with the business and making money, never with the fun and IRQ.16:58
BartJolIRC and ICQ I heard off16:58
@perlmonkey2You haven't heard of IRQ.  It is like the coolest new thing no one has ever heard of.  17:00
BartJolthen it must be really cool17:01
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@bopbopperlmonkey2: just gifted you some. It went to my spam when I received some, so you might have to check there.17:14
@perlmonkey2right on, thanks17:14
* SDuensin remembers IRQs. COM1 and 3 are on 4 and 2 and 4 are on 3.17:18
BartJolI only see interrupt request17:19
@perlmonkey2Haarg: What about my $from    = $headers->{from} || "<$userName> ".$session->setting->get("companyEmail");17:25
@perlmonkey2oh, wait the <> are on the wrong part, but you get what I mean, right?17:26
@Haargi'm not certain how the best way to handle that is17:27
@Haargone issue with just sticking the sending user as the from is then there is no real indication the message was sent through the site17:28
@Haargi guess what you have would make sense, using the site's email with the user's name17:29
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: you know of any easy way to test the change in Mail/Send?  I'm not that familiar with sendmail and would hate to have my ISP shut me off for sending out mail when I'm not supposed to.18:04
@Haargthis is for the inbox thing?18:06
@Haargtwo thoughts are - i think there is an option to dump emails to a log instead of sending them that was added recently.  second, emails are always queued then sent by spectre.  you can turn off spectre and just look in the mailQueue table.18:07
@perlmonkey2setting a user's email to root@localhost.localdomain doens't work :)18:07
@perlmonkey2okay groovy18:07
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: From: bob <info@mycompany.com> is what you wanted right?18:12
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elninoIm not on wireless!! I shouldn't be disconnected anymore! yeah husband!18:13
elninoquestion - 18:13
@Haargi think it will work; i'm not certain18:13
elninocan I use subscriptions and workflows to periodically send out text messages to subscribers?18:13
@Haargthe other option that comes to mind is adding some text before inbox messages that are sent out saying who sent it18:14
@perlmonkey2Haarg: looking at the complete headers of email sent out ot me, it looks like the [name <email addy>] is the proper syntax.18:15
elninoAnd, is there a "are you over 16 options" type thing for subscriptions?18:15
@Haargyeah, i was just considering if instead of having the name in the from header putting it in a preface to the message body18:16
@perlmonkey2yeah, just got mail to [poopoohead <kaleb@plainblack.com>] :D18:16
@perlmonkey2Haarg: so that wouldn't be in Mail/Send.pm but added to CS and the Karma package?18:17
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@Haargit would be in the inbox code18:18
@Haargthe CS already handles this as needed18:18
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: sorry to be tedious but I want to be clear on this.  You want Inbox to prepend all msg text with a short descriptor of who sent the message?18:26
@Haargi'm thinking that would be the way to go18:27
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7447 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Sent email from field now prefixed with username18:37
elninois there an option in webgui to have a "if you are 16 or older?" condition before purchasing a subscription?18:47
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@perlmonkey2When adding a new module to i18n is there some place it needs to be registerd?18:59
+perlDreamerIs it not showing up?19:03
@preactionelnino, no, but you could make a group for people >= 16 years old, then put the subscription in that group19:04
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elninopreaction, thatnks, I'll think about that approach some more.  Do you happen to know if there is a way of text messaging (to a cel phone) from webgui?19:09
@preactionelnino, google for "sms gateway", just about every phone has an email address19:10
elninoah.  that's accrynom I was looking for. Thanks!19:10
elninoso as long as I can send an email and the phone has an email, I can text message it? 19:13
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7448 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Inbox messages now tell you who the message was from19:13
@preactionelnino, in theory, yes19:15
elninook. theorys work for me. =)19:15
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+perlDreamernice reply on the forum, bopbop19:30
@bopbopthanks perlDreamer19:30
@perlmonkey2Is this really a bug? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/i-need-a-template-for-this-display#-RpBtut6vo6JYj6SpENDuQ19:34
@rizenthings that are not templated that an end user can see are bugs19:35
@rizenif it were an admin only screen then it wouldn't be a bug19:35
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I answered your i18n question earlier, is it working okay now?19:36
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: My internet has been flaky, I may not have seen it.  But I resolved the problem "my $text = $i18n->get; $text = "whatever";"   Note the missing concat in the second statement :)19:37
+perlDreamermy $text = $i18n->get('key', 'namespace'); # ???19:42
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: if you create the i18n with the namespace you dont' need to use it in the get's right?19:45
+perlDreamerThat's right, but you still have to give it a key/label to lookup19:46
@perlmonkey2right, that was never the problem19:47
@perlmonkey2not concat'ing was the problem19:47
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@bopbopperlmonkey2: feel free to go out to my training site to look at the Thingy I refer to in the bug report19:53
@perlmonkey2bopbop: err, sorry but I don't know the url19:53
@bopbopI'll provide it19:54
@perlmonkey2With the Thingy, when adding a thing to another thing, can you only add things that have already been instantiated?20:02
@bopbopperlmonkey2: a Thing isn't being added20:03
@bopbopa record in a thing20:03
@bopbopis being created20:03
@bopbopand the field in the cross-linked thing isn't displaying all possible values20:04
@perlmonkey2Let's say you have container Thing and Fruit thing.  You create a basket and want to add fruit to the basket.  Fruit can be apple, pear, or bananna.  When you create the basket I don't think you can add Fruit to it, but only an already create apple, pear, or banana.  Can someone tell me if this is correct or not?20:05
@preactionyou're correct, but i think she's saying that the new Basket is not showing Apple Pear and Banana, it's missing some20:06
@bopbopthe original container thing is only displaying apple and banana20:07
@bopbopno pear20:07
@bopbopbut I made all three fruits a possible field value in the fruit basket20:07
@perlmonkey2preaction: but the apple, pear and banana haven't been created yet.  They are only possible options for the fruit20:07
@bopbopthe FIELD should display all as possible values though20:08
@bopbopif someone gives me a fruit basket, and there are three fruits to select from, I should be able to select from all three20:09
@perlmonkey2I'm not sure if they have to be created already or not20:09
@perlmonkey2you're saying no and I'm guessing yes20:09
@preactionso we created a Fruit thing and a Basket thing, right?20:10
@bopbopbut it's a select box- shouldn't I be able to select from all  possible values?20:10
@preactionthen we added some Fruits to the Fruit thing20:10
@perlmonkey2yes, which in my mind are definitions of things.20:10
@bopbopthe fruits aren't the thing20:10
@perlmonkey2preaction: only 2 of the 3 fruits though20:10
@preactionso we have Apple, Pear, and Banana as Fruits in the Fruit thing20:10
@bopbopin a select box20:10
@perlmonkey2preaction: apple, pear, and banana re possible fruits.  We only have 2 created20:10
@bopbopyou can choose apple, pear, or banana20:10
@preactionoh, this isn't a Thing linking to another Thing?20:11
@perlmonkey2yes it is20:11
@perlmonkey2a basket containing a fruit thing20:11
@bopbopno, a basket linked to a fruit thing20:11
@perlmonkey2but the basket can only add two of the fruits.20:11
@bopbopthrough a common field20:11
@perlmonkey2I thought you added the fruit thing to the basket.  I'm an idiot20:12
@bopbopit's confusing terminology20:12
@bopbopyou're not an idiot20:12
@perlmonkey2I need to read the specs on Thingy because in your Employee Contact Information, "Department" is a "Employee Department Assignment" being linked on the "Department" field.20:14
@bopbopI can email you exactly what I did to create it if you want20:15
@perlmonkey2Which in my head translates into a Basket having a fruit-type field which is a fruit which links on the fruit's fruit-type.20:15
@perlmonkey2I think I understand what you did.  I'm not sure what the Thingy is supposed to do.20:15
@perlmonkey2What it's like 6pm in the Netherlands.   Those guys all go home early?20:16
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juani have the next error20:19
juancan i fix it running rebuildLineage.pl?20:21
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@preactionjuan, you might be able to. most likely there's an asset with that lineage that can't be instanciated (is broken). you'll need to remove it20:23
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juani ran rebuildLineage.pl and the error was fixed20:33
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+perlDreameranyone tinkered with this yet? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/09/1558218&from=rss20:40
@preactionperlDreamer, not yet no20:59
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+perlDreamerrizen: In t/Workflow.t it says that the workflows should check to make sure that you don't make mismatched activities (those that require user objects vs version tags and so on).  Do you want that coded in?21:24
@rizenwhat do you mean "coded in"21:25
+perlDreamerRight now Workflow.pm does not do that checking.  Do you want me to add that code to Workflow.pm to make it do that?21:27
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+perlDreamerHello, wgGuest23.21:34
+perlDreamerIf you wish, you can set a name for yourself by typing /nick myName21:34
wgGuest23Any news when WRE 085 is coming ?21:34
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JmackDoes someone know when WRE is coming out? 2 days, 2 weeks etc?21:37
@preactioni know it's being worked on21:37
JmackI saw that on svn..21:38
SynQKarma well received :)21:39
elninoto add a site with wre, all I have to do is run addsite? do I create a db first? or is it using the same db asmy othersite?21:39
Jmackjep ;-)21:39
@preactionelnino, addsite creates the DB for you, and does everything else necessary21:39
JmackI'll contact you soon.. SynQ21:40
JmackHave to go..21:40
+perlDreamerJmack, were you part of the Dutch Invasion Force this year?21:40
Jmacknever been at a wuc21:40
JmackWhen will there be one in NL?21:41
+perlDreamerSounds like an RFE21:41
+MrHairgreasethere has been one21:41
+MrHairgreasein amsterdam21:41
Jmackyeah I know..21:42
+MrHairgreasein 2005 if i'm not mistaken21:42
JmackBy then I was quite new to WebGUI..21:42
Jmacknext time ;-)21:43
+MrHairgreasewho knows21:43
+perlDreamermaybe next year you could come the USWUC, and ride inside SynQ's luggage?21:43
SynQJmack: WRE will be out soon I hope21:43
+MrHairgreasesynq's luggage is already filled with ego21:43
SynQI cannot release it though21:44
JmackOk, was wondering when I could upgrade my server.. 21:45
JmackI'll check the site in a few days, or here on IRC21:45
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+MrHairgreasetime for the kroegentocht!21:46
+perlDreamerJust what I was thinking.21:46
+perlDreamerwhatsa kroegentocht?21:47
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7449 /translations/Slovenian/ (162 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server21:48
+MrHairgreaseit's a tour along a whole slew of bars, which in this case we have in order to aquaint orselves with new members of the koornbeurs21:48
+perlDreamerkoornbeurs? Are those like koenbiers?21:49
SynQrizen: can I implement this rfe? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/innodb-in-wre21:49
@rizenhow would you implement it?21:50
SynQchange the compile options for mysql probably21:51
SynQie, remove this from the build.sh script --without-innodb21:51
SynQthen innodb support will be compiled into mysql21:52
SynQin fact I think that is all there is to it21:52
SynQrizen: have you been working on the WRE lately?21:55
SynQsince I have a few more hours to work on it today21:55
SynQI could add the needed perl modules to the build script too21:56
elninopreaction, addsite works slick!  Since I don't have my domains pointed here yet, All I should need to do is change the proxy file <VirtualHost *:80>21:56
elnino to <VirtualHost withanipaddress:80>21:56
elnino right?21:56
SynQdo you keep the prereqs source files in a special place somewhere?21:56
@preactionelnino, you shouldn't need to. you should just add the domain name to the /etc/hosts file21:56
elninoit's hosted somewhere else right now. 21:57
elninoI need to develope the site and access it by ip for now.21:57
elninoand actually, there are two new ones, so I was thinking of doing them at different ports like 83 and 8421:58
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@preactionelnino, then put the ip address in your hosts file maybe? your local one. or give it some ServerAlias and put that IP in your hosts file22:03
SynQpreaction, perlDreamer, MrHairgrease please do me a favour and reply to my question: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/what-makes-you-donate-your-karma22:03
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SynQrizen: I'm testing the compile for a build.sh without the --without-innodb switch now22:12
SynQofcourse it takes 25 minutes to compile it all :)22:12
+perlDreamerI can remember when it took 25 minutes to compile perl22:12
SynQperlDreamer: I compiled perl once on a HP-UX 9.x machine22:13
SynQit took 3 days22:13
SynQand that was perl 5.0 :)22:13
+perlDreamerI guess I was lucky to have my Sun Sparc 10 then :)22:13
SynQit took me 3 weeks before I got perl to finish compiling succesfully though22:14
SynQand a day after I found out there where pre-compiled packages at a very nearby mirror22:15
SynQrizen: did you see my comments and questions?22:19
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SynQhi monkey222:19
SynQI recieved the karma loud and clearly22:23
SynQbut if you want to try it again, be my guest :)22:23
+perlDreamerIt would be nice if users could add karma to their bugs, and the person who closes the bug gets the karma.22:24
+perlDreamerditto with RFEs22:24
SynQI agree22:24
+perlDreamerthat would then give us devs karma to play with22:24
SynQI bet there is even an rfe fot that22:24
+perlDreamerand then there's a karma cycle/economy22:24
+perlDreamerwhere consumption =~ production22:24
@rizenthe --without-innodb switch is part of it22:27
@rizenbut i've also removed all of the innodb stuff from the mysql config file22:28
SynQI think technically that solves the RFE22:28
SynQsince the RFE only asks for the builtin innodb engine22:28
SynQnot for any configuration22:28
@rizenwhat i mean is..there should be the no-innodb or skip-innodb added to the default config22:29
@rizeni forget what it's called22:29
SynQoh ok22:29
@Haargthat's already in there afaik22:29
SynQI'll look that up22:29
SynQand make sure mysql starts22:29
SynQperlDreamer: I've added your suggestions to the RFE list22:32
+perlDreamerI still haven't thought of a larger part for hosters in the karma economy though.22:32
+perlDreamerIt's still slanted toward designers, coders and documenters22:33
SynQhosters are bloodsuckers22:33
SynQthey have to do an extra part to get to the karma22:33
SynQlike translate or document22:33
+perlDreamerwell, even today, translators don't get karma for translating22:35
SynQyet another RFE22:35
+perlDreamerthat's a big rfe, since the translation server is completely outside of wG22:35
@Haargyeah, and it has no user tracking22:36
SynQperlDreamer: but it is an rfe now22:36
elninohttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/new-modproxy-config-creates-open-proxies - this is interesting. I had upgraded to .84 a while ago, and *Just* added a site. But it's still using the .83 method of proxying. when changes like this occur, what do I do to ensure that new sites get the changes? Does addsite copy the modproxy.conf in the etc file?22:38
SynQplease give me a moment to read all that22:39
@Haargelnino: in general it isn't a problem as it can only proxy to port 808122:40
@Haargit only becomes a real problem if you change it to proxy to port 8022:41
elninook.  but shouldn't the change from the wre v.84 be applied to my new site that I justed added?22:41
elninoI expected to see: RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !.*mywebguisite\.com22:42
elninoRewriteRule ^.*$ - [F] in my new sites' proxy file.22:42
@Haargthat's not the method we used to fix the issue22:43
@Haargbut as i said, with a stock config it is basically not a problem22:43
SynQaddsite uses the templates to create the .conf files22:44
@Haargmodifying those templates through code is rather error prone, which is why we didn't do that22:45
elninook. So when changes are needed to be made to the templated confi files, is that notated anywhere so I can be sure that the latest additions/fixes are applied?22:49
elninosince you don't update them via upgrade proceedure?22:50
SynQelnino: the answer to the 'is that notated anywhere' is probably NO22:51
@Haargyou can blame that on me - i should probably stick it in the release notes somewhere22:52
SynQelnino: you could report a bug for that22:54
elninowow. ok. acutlly it's not MUCH different. What has always something I've noticed is the options added to the WebGUI.conf file, which I suppose is treated the same way? I find myself always comparing manually to see "what's New"22:54
elninosynq, ok22:54
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elninohmm.. still trying to figure out how I can have one site on port 80 and another on a differen tport for developemet purposes. Under apache, there is a listen port. So I supect that wre has a listen port of 80, but I need two listen ports. hmm.23:01
SynQYou can add two listen ports to the apache configuration23:02
elninoand it looks like it's defind in the wre.conf23:02
elninoin wre's apache?23:02
SynQit's just like a normal apache23:02
elninowhich file?23:02
@Haargwre.conf doesn't define the operation of apache at all23:03
@Haargit's just settings used for generating configs with the wre scripts23:03
elninoI need a flow chart.23:03
@Haargor for the wremonitor for example23:03
elninotelling me what calls what where on what port. =)23:04
elninoso where would I put the Listen 8080 for wre's apache?23:05
@Haargthere is a stripped down example of what you need23:05
elninoah. in modproxy.conf there is a listen directive.23:06
@Haargoh yeah23:06
@Haargneed a listen too, sorry23:06
elninoHaarg: that's what I have, and it doesn't seem to be answering:
elninook. so I do need a listen .23:07
elninoI'll do that now and restart....23:07
elnino=( I keep getting couldn't connec tto webgui site www.domain at www.dooma:80.  It keeps trying port 80 for some reason.23:12
elninosorry, terrible typing.23:14
@Haargwhat do you have inside the virtualhost block23:15
elninoHaarg: it's the default from the addsite.pl. But I noticed that I did not specify the NameVirtualHost. Which from what I just read on the apache docs, that that is what lets me have more than one site on the same IP address. So I should declare that - do I need to have that in all my modproxy files? or just one?23:18
elninoso I will have multiple domains. Bu tthe second and third sites need to be accessed by IP addres for now, till I swithc the DNS records to this other server.23:19
@Haargyou need to have one for each port you are using23:19
elninoAnd I only have one ip addrss, so I will have a separate for for each23:20
elninolike you just said =)23:20
@Haargare you specifying the ip?23:20
elninono I wasn't in the modproxy file,  but it looks like I should based on apache docs?23:20
@Haargthe signature (ip+port) has to match in the NameVirtualHost and <VirtualHost>23:21
@Haargbut aside from that you shouldn't need to specify it23:21
elninook. I defined two ports in the modproxy.conf file using teh Listen directive, and  in my second sites's modproxy file I have a NameVirtualHost
elninoand <VirtualHost>23:22
elninomy first site's modproxy file remains on untouched: <VirtualHost *:80>23:23
elninowith no NameVirtualHost directive.23:23
@Haargthe namevirtualhost for :80 is in the modproxy.conf file23:23
@Haargand the domain you are using resolves to that ip?23:24
elnino?? My first site is accessed by domainname: mediaangels.com on port 80.  my second site will be accesssed by ip address on port 808023:26
elninoDo I need a NameVirtualHosts directive declared for each site?23:26
elninosorry about the confusion23:27
@Haargso what kind of error are you getting?23:27
elninoI'm not getting any, I turned it all off because it broke my first site. we can start from a clean slate23:27
elnino*before* it just was spinning in the browser. couldn't reach the :8080 site.23:28
@perlmonkey2I'm having trouble finding it.  Where would I find the logic that keeps a subscription from using Cash to pay?23:40
@perlmonkey2I need to test out subscription code and don't have an ITransact account.23:40
@perlmonkey2Nor do I want to charge my CC>23:40
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elninohaarg - you CAN have multiple namevirtualhost directives. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html  - I'll give that a try!23:51
@Haargsorry if i wasn't clear23:52
@Haargyou need a namevirtualhost directive for *:80 and for *:8080 (or
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elninothat's what I needed!  =)23:53
@Haargbut you don't need to have one for each site, just each port/ip as you are using in the <VirtualHost> header23:53
elninoright.  =) Thanks!23:53
elninofeeling hopefull - soon find out.23:54
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SynQinnodb support is in the WRE :)00:00
SynQHaarg: I updated the changelog of the WRE to reflect your revision 7443 commit too00:01
SynQperlDreamer: can you close this bug again? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/ap_get_server_banner-used-in-xsloader.pm00:11
SynQI fixed it00:11
SynQor someone else, perhaps my I should ask perlmonkey2 since he gives out karma for fixing bugs00:12
+perlDreamerIt's closed00:12
@perlmonkey2I guess I should bookmark the karma gift link00:13
+perlDreamerThis one's on me00:13
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: What's your bug fixing tip amount?00:14
@perlmonkey2well the 8 bit fix I gave out 15000:14
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SquOnkHi everyone00:14
@perlmonkey2hello SquOnk00:14
+perlDreamerHi, SquOnk!00:14
SynQhi SquOnk00:15
SynQany news on the debian front?00:15
SquOnkNot really.00:15
SquOnkLet me check00:15
elninohaarg: oh good grief:   http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7d9279f00:15
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: that bug was basically a documentation fix.  So what, 300?00:15
SynQ300 is way to much00:15
SynQ50 at max00:16
+perlDreamerI gave him 7500:16
SquOnkWe're still number 5 in the NEW queue.00:16
+perlDreamerbecause he's koen00:16
@HaargNameVirualHost *.86 -> NameVirualHost *:8600:16
SynQyou guys are too sweet00:16
SquOnkAt least I have confirmation from my sponsor that IF webgui gets into Sid he will push for the migration to Lenny.00:16
+perlDreamerManaging an entire economy is difficult00:16
SynQperlDreamer: perhaps you can help me squash this bug too: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/wremonitor-doesnt-say-which-site-generated-an-error00:17
elninomy browser just sits and spins when I try to access the sites on port 85 and 86 ie:
SquOnkI can confirm that the 7.5.21 package installs cleanly on any freshly installed Lenny box, so it will work.00:17
@perlmonkey2SquOnk: that doesn't happen automagically?00:17
SynQSquOnk: that is great00:17
SquOnkperlmonkey2: No, because Debian is in the "freeze".00:17
+perlDreamerSynQ, do you just want it closed?00:17
SynQperlDreamer: no00:17
SquOnkperlmonkey2: While the freeze is on, there's no automatic migration from Sid to Testing. It has to be requested by a DD and handled by an FTP Master.00:17
SynQI need some help in getting the right variable from $spectre->getWorkflowsPerSite($report);00:18
SynQso I can put it in the subjectline 00:18
+perlDreamercan you paste me some output?00:18
@perlmonkey2SquOnk: Else it waits for the next cycle/00:18
SquOnkperlmonkey2: Exactly.00:18
SynQperlDreamer: have a look at line 105 of /data/wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl00:18
SquOnkperlmonkey2: But as I said, the 7.5.x packages will be available from my repository.00:19
SynQI think all that is needed is add the $sitename to the sendEmail command00:19
@perlmonkey2SquOnk: That is pretty cool of you to host that.00:19
SquOnkNow I'm working on getting 7.6 to work with PostgreSQL00:19
SynQand that would fix the bug00:19
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SquOnkI have a question today, though00:20
SynQperlDreamer: see what I mean?00:20
+perlDreamerbut where does the sitename come from?00:20
SynQbut I don't know how to get sitename from $_00:20
SquOnkI have something like "^/someplace" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru" in urlHandlers00:21
SynQI guess the site-id (or something like that) should be gotten from $spectre->getWorkflowsPerSite00:21
SynQand then that should give us the sitename00:21
SquOnkI have Alias /someplace /the/actual/dir In the Apache2 config, along with a proper <Directory /the/actual/dir></Directory>00:21
SquOnkIf I get http://localhost/someplace/index.html it works. If I get http://localhost/someplace it does not work.00:22
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SquOnkI have the Indexes option enabled in the <Directory> stanza00:22
SquOnkIf I _remove_ webgui from the config, everything works :-)00:22
SynQperlDreamer: getWorkflowsPerSite is in line 232 of /data/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm00:22
@Haargit may be simpler to use a rewriterule00:23
SquOnkHaarg: You think?00:23
@Haargwell, are you using a single apache process?00:23
@Haargor a proxied config?00:23
SquOnkHaarg: Yep00:23
SquOnkHaarg: No, it's a single server. It's used for webgui, a local debian mirror (/debian) and documentation (/doc).00:24
SynQperlDreamer: if I can read it states there that the sitename is in that datastructure00:24
@Haargwell, apache would normally do a redirect in that case00:24
SquOnkNeither /debian nor /doc work00:24
SquOnkBoth are listed as I described before.00:24
@Haargso you could do the redirection as a rewrite00:24
@Haargnot certain on how webgui is interfering00:24
+perlDreamerSynQ, I'm not sure about that00:25
SquOnkMe neither :-)00:25
SquOnk "^/debian" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru"00:25
@Haargin the data structure coming from getWorkflowsPerSite, the key is the site name00:25
SquOnkThat should make any URL starting with /debian pass thru to Apache. And it does, but it always gives me an error.00:25
elninohaarg: i'm using wre's apahec, but I also do have another install of apache that is listening on port 82.00:26
+perlDreamerThanks, Haarg00:26
+perlDreamerSynQ, did you catch that?00:26
SynQI would say something like $workflowsPerSite{$_} should give the sitename then?00:26
+perlDreamer$_ is the sitename00:26
SynQah ok00:27
@Haargin that loop00:27
@Haargit is using values00:27
SynQI want to use the sitename in the sendEmail line00:27
+perlDreamerYou want to build a list of all sitenames that have too many workflows00:27
+perlDreamerbecause there may be more than one00:27
SynQin line 106 of /data/wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl00:27
+perlDreamerand you need them all for good diagnostics00:27
SynQso it is not that simple00:28
+perlDreamerIt's 2 lines instead of 1 :)00:28
+perlDreamermaybe 300:28
+perlDreamerlet me paste you some code to start with, my young Hacker Padawan00:28
SynQI still have 30 minutes to hack my way through this00:29
SynQso paste away I would say00:29
@Haarg    if(my @sites = grep { $workflowsPerSite->{$_} >= $maxWorkflowsPerSite } keys %$workflowsPerSite ) { 00:29
@Haarg        sendEmail(qq|There are too many workflows running on these sites: | . join(', ', @sites));00:29
@Haarg    }   00:29
SynQHaarg: that would only list all sites that have more then the maxWorkflows00:30
@perlmonkey2Hmm, perhaps people could put their Karma on the Bazaar?00:30
@Haarghow so pm2?00:31
@Haargelnino: did you see what i said about the namevirtualhosts being wrong in that paste?00:31
SynQperlmonkey2: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/bazaar-sell-things-for-karma-only00:31
@perlmonkey2Haarg: No idea.  But it might help stimulate the use of Karma00:31
@perlmonkey2SynQ: hah00:31
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+perlDreamerrizen has said he doesn't want people buying and selling karma00:31
+perlDreamerHaarg, you have fast fingers00:32
elninoHaarg: nope, let me look back00:32
@Haargbut buying items on the bazaar with karma (as a vendor choice) might be fine00:32
SynQHaarg: that is what my RFE is intended for00:32
+perlDreamerTime for me to go to the laptop doctor00:33
elninoyour kidding!  grr. Thanks Haarg!00:33
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SynQlet's see if I can get that code into a simple 'show number of workflows per site' script00:34
wgGuest63Hello everyone. Perhaps you can answer my question. I suspect it is easy...00:34
SynQso I can then extend the wremonitor.pl script to give a complete list of all sites that have exceeded the maxWorkflows and how much workflows they have per site00:34
wgGuest63When I add a "wiki" it puts a copy(?) on the main page too. how do I avoid that?00:35
@Haargsimplest way would to be to create a paye layout then put the wiki on that00:35
@HaargSynQ, one thing to keep in mind is that the messages are currently kept short so they can be sent via sms00:36
wgGuest63Will try. Thank you.00:37
SynQI will00:37
SynQthanks Haarg00:37
elninoHaarg, doh. I wish it was that easy. I typed it wrong in the paste, but I'm using : in the modproxy file. =(00:38
wgGuest63Not perfect, but it works. Thaank you.00:38
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elninowhat abou this??  http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/customizing-wre-configuration00:38
elninodo I need to put in the additinal rewriteCond?00:38
elninothe example for "deal with port number in HTTP_HOST"00:39
elninois what I'm referring to.00:39
@Haargcan you post your modproxy conf?00:39
@Haargif you are using the 0.8.5 config, it shouldn't be needed00:40
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@perlmonkey2Is a recurring postback the exact same kind as a transaction completed postback?00:45
elninohaarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d24c9add4  - thank you for your time in this..  I'm sure it's a dumb mistake on my part.00:45
@Haargsorry, meant the site's modproxy00:45
elninosame pasty00:47
@Haargso what kind of error are you seeing?00:48
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elninoin my modproxyerr log: [Tue Sep 09 21:09:51 2008] [error] [client] proxy: DNS lookup failure for: returned by /00:49
elninoI updated the paste so that both sites modproxy files are there. if youwant to see both.00:50
@Haargyou could probably replace everything from # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST down with00:50
@HaargProxyPreserveHost On00:50
@HaargRewriteRule ^/(.*)$1 [P] 00:50
elninowith 8081? or 85?00:51
@Haargwhatever modperl is running on - 808100:52
elninoyep, I did not mess with that.00:53
elninohmm. ok, it's oing to my :80 site.00:55
@Haargthat may be something on the modperl side then00:55
elninowell. I was using 8080 and 8081 but then I found out that you guys are using that, so that is when I switched to 85 and 86.  So from what you see, I have everything setup?  I'll play with this some more later. I have one thing I want to make sure before taking up more of your time.  Thank you for pointing me in the right direction about NameVirtualHosts.00:58
@Haargit looks basically fine to me.  i suspect it is an issue of the servernames on the modperl side00:58
elninoyeah.... um.. was I supposed to change the modperl port? or can they remain on the 808101:02
elninoI didn't.01:02
SynQperhaps the 64 bit perl thing has been fixed01:02
SynQrunning a test compile with the option added by william on a 32 bit debian etch te verify now01:06
elninooh.. I'll just creat new host names for these.This is taking more time that its worth.  thanks haarg. 01:07
elninohaarg: good news: hostnames work great. (read: I'm done now) thanks for your help!01:13
SynQthe 64 bits switch does work on my 32bits debian system01:16
SynQso that is good news01:16
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@perlmonkey2If I wanted to test a reoccurring transaction for a subscription, what would be the easiest way to do that?01:33
+perlDreamerCan you set it to reoccur every hour?01:34
+perlDreameror every 30 minutes?01:34
@perlmonkey2looks like subscription period can only beas little as a week01:34
@perlmonkey2But I don't know if that triggers a new transaction01:35
+perlDreamercan you backdate a transaction, so that it reoccurs in 30 minutes from now?01:37
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: would that work?  Set the subscription to expire in 30 minutes and then spectre will renew it?01:37
+perlDreamerI don't know.  If the subscription period is weekly, then see if you can lie about the start date, and make it 6 days, 23 hours and 30 minutes ago.01:38
@perlmonkey2Do all subscriptions autorenew?01:38
+perlDreamerDon't know :(01:38
@perlmonkey2I don't see how the user can set it to renew or not.01:38
@perlmonkey2or how they would cancel it.01:38
@perlmonkey2I know exactly what the problem is and just need to do this once to tes.t01:38
@perlmonkey2But it has to be a renewal01:39
@perlmonkey2Hmm, that is weird.  If you pay for a subscription it looks like you are in for life :)01:40
+perlDreamerSounds like another bug01:40
@perlmonkey2or until your credit card is no longer valid01:40
@perlmonkey2I'll be back.  Have to go take pictures of dad's bulldozer so he can sell it :)01:41
+perlDreamerHow much does he want for it?01:41
@perlmonkey2It's in pretty good shape.01:42
@perlmonkey2Used it as part of a federal "Make Oklahoma like it was natively" program.01:42
+perlDreamerSynQ: From what I can tell, you get no karma for adding/updating things in the Bazaar.01:50
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+perlDreamerWith the new Workflow tests, its coverage is 88.7%02:04
+perlDreamerpretty respectable02:04
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+perlDreamerWhat are you doing awake at this time of the night?02:12
BartJolthe one and only02:12
BartJoleeeh, just came home actually, been talking with a friend02:13
BartJoljust turned on IRC automatically...02:14
BartJolneed help?02:15
+perlDreamerJust writing tests02:15
BartJolbut I was actually testing a voip telephone02:16
BartJoland see how my internet connection would work02:16
BartJoldidn'y even had to change tcp/ip settings02:16
BartJolok, well actually sleeping would be a good plan02:18
BartJolerror-> return"sleep suspended till I closed down laptop"02:19
BartJolbut I made my macro more perly today02:19
BartJolthat was a good thing, so I'll rest easy02:20
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BartJolgoodnight, I hope JT will enjoy his fruit02:22
+perlDreamerixnay on the uitfray02:22
BartJolis it you John Wayne, is it me?02:23
+perlDreamerThat's a Pig Latin decoder02:23
BartJolmmm, I don't know what $2 and $1 are , but I assume you're right02:25
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+perlDreamerhm, regexp needs some fine tuning for initial double consonants02:25
BartJolhave to work on my regexes02:25
BartJolwell, goodnight, so long, auf wiedersehen, goodbye02:27
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@perlmonkey2patspam: what's the word?03:11
patspamyo yo!03:11
patspamwas wondering how Survey2 is going?03:11
@perlmonkey2It is going.  But I'm on janitor duties all week, and as you can see from the bug list, I'm busy.03:12
@perlmonkey2I specc'd 100 hours to JT.  I think I'll come in at 50, he thinks 150.  Hopefully we'll find out who was right in the coming week.03:12
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patspamis the branch going to come across anytime soon?03:13
@perlmonkey2Merged into the main trunk?03:13
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@perlmonkey2Not until it is more functional.  And in the short term it will become much less functional as it is moved to JSON.  But JSON simplifies a lot of the more difficult algorithms, which is why I think it won't take nearly as long as I spec'd.03:14
patspamah ok, so you've decided that JSON is the way to go?03:15
@perlmonkey2I didn't, JT did.  preaction had me convinced to give another go at better indexing of the DB.  But JT had other reasons for the JSON, largest being packaging and versioning.03:15
patspamyeah i guess it's pretty cool to get versioning for free03:16
@perlmonkey2Pretty cool idea though that you could package a survey and deploy it at other sites, even sell it on the bazaaar :P03:16
@preactionbut you can get both of those without having to go to JSON, it would just take longer03:16
@perlmonkey2You must be deep into JT's mind, because he said that also.03:17
patspamsurvey2 is moving onto my critical path, so I'll probably start contributing code this week03:18
@preactioni mean, if a non-JSON, versioned, packaged collateral mixin that keeps DB normalization is desired, i can try to whip something up. but i don't think you should wait for me03:18
@perlmonkey2If you can let me know more of your timeframe I'll talk to JT and see what's what.03:20
@preactionno need, i don't have one03:20
@preactionit can be migrated to, we've never promised database integrity03:20
@perlmonkey2Okay.  But if there is anything I can do to make it easier (be realistic) just let me know.  03:21
@perlmonkey2All the collat tables are going except for the response ones.  03:21
@perlmonkey2The Survey table is gaining a couple of columns that the JSON collat will inherit (global settings).03:22
@preactioni'm trying to dream up an API right now, but all i'm getting is $self->getCollateral( "type", "id" ); which i don't like03:23
@preactionit's not $self->getType( id )03:23
dionaki have a folder containing collab systems. i want to get the latest post from any of the collab systems in the folder. can anyone think of a sql statement that could do this?03:33
dionakor should i try again tomorrow?03:33
dionaki have sql to get the latest post in a collab system already but i don't see how to basically look up the lineage to see if the parent is the folder in question. 03:34
@preactionthat's one heck of an SQL statement03:34
dionakmaybe it would make a better macro?03:34
@preactionoh, that's simpler:03:34
@preactionasset.lineage LIKE "<folder's lineage>%"03:35
dionakinteresting. i don't really understand the lineage entry. haven't spent any time understanding it. 03:35
dionakanywhere i can learn more w/o reading code? or is that simplier?03:35
@preactionthe dev guide has a whole chapter on it, if you have one03:36
dionakyes, we picked one up03:36
dionakthanks. i'll read on that tomorrow03:36
@preactioni also wrote that chapter ;-) so it explains what the string means03:36
dionakthat's helpful. :)03:38
dionakthanks for taking the time to write about it. 03:38
patspamperlmonkey2: were you saying there's a new spec doc?03:42
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patspamif so I'd like to have a look so i can start contributing some code03:42
@perlmonkey2patspam: no, just a spec for time.  How long it would take me to do stuff03:42
patspamah ok03:42
patspamit's there a TODO list or something?03:45
dionaknice, preaction. thanks! :)03:51
dionakit works.03:51
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@perlmonkey2patspam: http://pastebin.com/d57aea5ab05:18
patspamah awesome, I was just emailing you :)05:18
patspamI'm hoping to deploy a survey-heavy site by the end of the month, so I'm keen to help wherever i can05:19
patspamI'll use that list as my guide05:19
patspamI might focus on tests until you've done the JSON stuff05:19
@perlmonkey2Sounds good.05:20
patspamcool, I'm off for lunch05:22
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CIA-39WebGUI: koen * r7450 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: added max_join_size=4294967295 to my.cnf to fix warnings at db_install script as quoted in this bug in mysql http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=3534609:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7451 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add default workflow values tests, and promote and demote activity tests09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7452 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow.pm: fix a singlton typo09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: koen * r7453 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/gotcha.txt wre/docs/changelog.txt): updated gotcha and changelog, added innodb support09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7454 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add tests for deleting activities from a workflow09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7455 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add more tests to bring Workflow coverage up to 94%09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7456 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): early work for view EMSBadge template09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7457 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 4 dirs): This has become so much more than I initially anticipated... Now has a template, a framework to build WebGUI::DataSource in the future, and a way to load data via AJAX so that the edit form actually works09:41
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patspamgo Doug go!10:22
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BartJolhee Bernd_11:41
Bernd_So that's my first chat experience!11:41
BartJolcongratulations :)11:41
Bernd_Are you guys hanging around here all day?11:41
BartJolwell, I am mostly11:42
Bernd_Is that for the distraction?11:42
BartJolwell, just to help people11:42
BartJoland get some variation11:42
Bernd_I imagine this is a good way to prevent oneself from doing the things one is supposed to do.11:42
Bernd_At least that is true in my case.11:43
BartJolbut the Americans come online at 3 or 4 in the afternoon11:43
Bernd_I should have worked on something else this morning.11:43
BartJolit can be...11:43
Bernd_Alright. I have seen some already yesterday when I did my first tests.11:43
Bernd_I plan to hang around in the chat now routinely.11:43
Bernd_It is a bit more personal than the discussion board.11:44
Bernd_But let me go to work now.11:44
Bernd_I need to pick up my daughter soon. That means I need to get a few things done.11:44
Bernd_See you later!11:45
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BartJolMrHairgrease: up to a weafdr? I have an appointment at 18.30 for dinner16:39
BartJolso there16:39
BartJolis not much time16:39
@perlmonkey2Google translate translates 'weafdr' to 'weafdr'.16:39
+MrHairgreaselet's skip it for today16:39
BartJolperlmonkey2: it isn't Dutch16:40
+MrHairgreaseyesterday i did the km kroegentocht16:40
BartJolweafdr=wednesday afternoon drink16:41
@perlmonkey2What's is the dutch word for 'type' like  a font type?16:50
+MrHairgreaseletter == character16:51
+MrHairgreasetype == type16:51
+MrHairgreaseonly we pronounce type like teepuh16:51
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@perlmonkey2Hmm, yeah, the joke doesn't work unless type can be used in multiple senses.16:53
+MrHairgreasewhat's the joke then?16:54
@perlmonkey2Two fonts walk into a bar, the bartender says "Get out, we don't serve your type in here."16:54
+MrHairgreasewell I suppose that it could work in Dutch if you'd use the word font.16:55
+MrHairgreaseprovided that the joke is actually funny =)16:55
@perlmonkey2Yeah, that's where I ended up with google translate, using the same word for both.16:55
+MrHairgreaseyou can use the word type also in the same way as you just did16:55
+MrHairgreasereferring to a type of person16:55
@perlmonkey2Two letertypens walked into a bar and the bartender says they don't serve your lettertypen in here?16:56
+MrHairgreaseit would be something like16:56
+MrHairgreaseTwo letertypen walked into a bar and the bartender says they don't serve your type in here16:57
@perlmonkey2ah, so the problem was google translate not guessing the correct sense of the word I was translating.16:57
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@perlmonkey2wow, a ML failing to translate correctly, how strange :P16:58
@perlmonkey2MT I mean16:58
@perlmonkey2machine translator16:58
+MrHairgreaseapparently it doesn't run webgui16:58
@perlmonkey2speaking of webgui, perhaps I should figure out what is up with reoccurring transactions before Haard kills me.17:00
+MrHairgreaseoh that17:00
+MrHairgreasemy guess it is in the subscription sku17:00
+MrHairgreasethe process part17:00
+MrHairgreasethat's where the user is readded to the group17:01
@perlmonkey2yes, I've found the problem...it is grabbing the current user id.  Which in a postback is the default, ie visitor :)17:01
@perlmonkey2But coming up with a test is.....more difficult.17:01
+MrHairgreasei borked that17:02
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@perlmonkey2you did?  17:02
+MrHairgreasewell i made it17:02
+MrHairgreasethe problem was that the recurring transaction is impossible to test using the testing framework of Itransact17:02
+MrHairgreasesince they don't offer and XID other than 9999 or so17:03
+MrHairgreaseso I tested it as good as I could17:03
+MrHairgreaseby constructing manual requests17:03
* SDuensin needs recurring...soon! :-P17:03
+MrHairgreasebut of course in those test I was logged in as myself17:03
+MrHairgreaseso at that time it worked17:03
@perlmonkey2Yes, very difficult problem to catch.17:04
@perlmonkey2Not the kind of thing anyone would catch.17:04
+MrHairgreasei always test code i commit as good as i can17:04
+MrHairgreasebut even the eurotrash is fallible =)17:05
@perlmonkey2hah, eurocodeninja17:05
@perlmonkey2I saw the graphics presentation.   I know all about your ninja skillz17:05
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@perlmonkey2Hah, in ITransact/processReoccurringTransaction, I should just make sure that the session user is the same as the transaction user's account.  Could there be any harm in that?17:11
@perlmonkey2It grants the postback an unauthenticated session.  But only after it has alternatively authenticated by knowing the XID.17:12
+MrHairgreaseyeah that's true17:13
+MrHairgreaseyou can pull the user out of the transaction log17:13
@perlmonkey2The Subscription doesn't seem to have any easy access to get the transaction uid.17:13
@perlmonkey2Such an easy fix it *almost* doesn't need to be tested :D17:13
+MrHairgreaseCan't you use Transaction->newByGatewayId?17:14
+MrHairgreaseand then pull the user out of the Transaction17:15
@perlmonkey2I'm not that familiar with shop, I'll look.17:15
@perlmonkey2That is already used to get the baseTransaction17:16
@perlmonkey2which is duped to get the new transaction17:16
+MrHairgreaseyou'll have to pass the userId to Subscription->apply17:16
+MrHairgreaseso subscvription doesn't need to now the transaction17:16
@perlmonkey2if no user is passed to subscription it uses the session user17:16
+MrHairgreasehang on17:17
+MrHairgreaselet me check something out17:17
@perlmonkey2so I could just $session->user($$option{$originalUserId});17:17
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danny_mkHello everyone17:18
danny_mkI can't believe Perl does not have a 2.0 OpenId library yet!17:18
danny_mkBeen waiting for OpenId::Consumer for a while but it does not seem like Brad will update the module anytime soon17:19
@perlmonkey2danny_mk: Is he taking volunteers :D17:19
+MrHairgreaseWG::A::Sku::Subscrtion::onCompletePurchase is being passed the TransactionItem17:20
+MrHairgreasein there you should get the userId out of that17:20
+MrHairgreaseand pass that into the $self->apply over there17:20
@perlmonkey2that method only grabs $self, nothing else?17:20
danny_mkwish he was, I don't have enought experience to help him out17:21
+MrHairgreasesomething like that17:22
+MrHairgreaseit's only example code of course17:22
+MrHairgreasebut that's the idea17:22
@perlmonkey2right on....are you user the transaction will have the correct userid?  I think that is a new transaction which grabs the uid from session.17:23
+MrHairgreasewell in that case17:24
@perlmonkey2no, you were right.  It creates a new transaction object by grabbing * from the transaction table, which contains the UID.17:25
+MrHairgreasefetch the originating Id17:25
+MrHairgreasewell, i'm happy i did most thing well =)17:26
@perlmonkey2I'm happy you were able to quickly diagnose a solution ;)17:26
+MrHairgreaseno problem17:27
+MrHairgreasenow, how much karma do i get for that =)17:27
@perlmonkey2how much do you want?17:27
+MrHairgreasehow much does plainblack cost17:27
+MrHairgreasethat amount times hunderd please =)17:27
+MrHairgreasenever mind the karma17:28
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+MrHairgreasei have enough anyway17:28
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danny_mkperlmonkey2:  http://brad.livejournal.com/   if you can get him to answer you I would definitely love to find out his progress for OpenId 2.017:32
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@perlmonkey2danny_mk: That guy sounds a little busy.17:36
@perlmonkey2Maybe you can take over the project or offer patches?17:36
danny_mklord have mercy, I just got a new job in wich I have to polish my c++ skills plus I am supporting three websites17:37
danny_mkhmmm.... where do I find the time?17:37
danny_mkI also volunteered to write a chat wobject for webgui17:37
danny_mkwhich to this day I still have not started17:38
danny_mkbut I think it would be great for webgui17:38
SDuensinI hear ya, danny_mk - I'm up to my nose in projects.  :-)17:39
danny_mkI really would love to get to that chat wobject for webgui17:39
@perlmonkey2ajax chat with all logged in users/vistors.  That would be great.17:39
danny_mkI wrote some auction software using catalyst and integrated the authentication with webgui17:40
danny_mkI can see a lot of uses for a chat wobject17:40
@preactioni have an ajax chat wobject thingy already, if you want that17:49
@preactionit's more of a shoutbox17:49
@preactionbut it is ajax17:49
@preactioni can package it up and put it on the bazaar tonight17:49
@preactionthe new Get Add Ons17:50
@preactionon webgui.org17:50
danny_mkAh, OK17:51
danny_mkPut it out there, I will get it sometime this week17:53
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BartJolwill tavisto will be in da house today?18:15
BartJolhe is18:15
@tavistoim here18:15
@tavistoBart I just sent you an email reply.. Are you interested in attending a webinar today @ 2pm EDT (GMT -4)18:16
BartJolat what times are the weekly webinars normally?18:16
@tavisto2pm Eastern.. However I adjust them for attendees if they are overseas18:16
@tavistoI think I've got 3-4 people from a Belgium shipping/logistics company18:17
BartJoltimezones confuse me?18:17
@tavistothat will be attending today.. Although the guy said it would be like 9pm for them.. they said it was fine18:17
BartJoloh, ok, not sure whether I'll be back home by then]18:18
@tavistothat's a great webpage to keep track of times18:18
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BartJolnine would be correct18:19
@tavistoit's 5:18pm in amsterdam and 11:18 here in Michigan18:19
@tavistoactually that seems like it's only 6 hours difference18:19
BartJoloh, then it will be 20.00 here, not gonna make that18:19
BartJolyeah, wisconsin is one hour more...18:20
@tavistoah yep18:20
BartJoltoo bad, when will the next be?18:20
BartJolnext week....18:20
@tavistowell I'll confirm the time with these guys in belgium and I'll see what's up. If they can't make today then we can schedule one at a more convenient time for you all18:21
BartJolwell I just wanna learn from your excellent explaning talents18:21
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BartJoland of course I do appreciate your concerns for me, don't give them too much credits, I will find a way18:22
@tavistoalright well I will let you know when the next one is 18:22
@tavistoyep no prob18:22
BartJolnow I have to drink a beer with martin18:22
@tavistohah... yes you do.18:23
@tavistogive him my best.18:23
BartJoloh and sarah and some friends also might plan to come here in spring18:23
BartJolI will18:24
BartJoljust a fyi18:25
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SDuensinWhat log should I dig in to find out why an RSS feed isn't loading?  I can't find anything.18:35
+perlDreamerSDuesin, you mean isn't being loaded by WebGUI, or isn't being loaded by the Syndicate Content wobject?18:36
SDuensinI think the wobject.  What I have is a blog that I'm moving the latest 5 posts to the front page...18:37
SDuensinThe front page is empty.18:37
+perlDreamerthe blog is also from WebGUI, via the CS?18:37
SDuensinYes.  And the rss URL is valid in the syndicate WO.18:38
+perlDreamerif you use the RSS url in another reader it works okay?18:38
SDuensinI hit it with wget and it came right up.18:39
SDuensinIt was working.  It stopped when I moved the site from one box to another.18:39
SDuensinDNS and such all seems happy.18:39
+perlDreamerIs the sitename hardcoded in the URL for the SC wobject?18:39
SDuensinI have this:   http://www.cloudcircle.com/system-news/system-news-blog.rss18:39
+perlDreamerand those posts should show up here: http://www.cloudcircle.com?18:40
SDuensinYea.  Under "Latest News".18:40
+perlDreamerAnd it doesn't work, even if you log in as Admin18:41
SDuensinLike I said, it did, until I moved the site.18:42
+perlDreamerYou moved the uploads directory as well?18:43
+perlDreamerare you using database cache, file cache or no cache?18:43
SDuensinThe entire /data folder.  Just picked the whole works up and moved it to a new box.18:43
SDuensinCleared my cache after the move.  No idea what I have.  Whatever the WRE uses.18:43
@Haargcache is file cache in the default webgui config18:44
SDuensinUpdated my hosts file, my DNS, crontab, etc.  Everybody resolves correctly (from a prompt at least).18:44
@Haargcan you get other rss feeds ok?18:45
SDuensinNot tried.  That's the only one I have.  Lemme go bang /. or something in there.18:45
SDuensinThat worked.  Lemme nuke it and recreate the WO18:47
topsubwhen you make a my $form = webGUI::HTMLForm-> object and you go to $form->print does that call close the form? Anyone know.. I can't find it doing it but it seesm it is18:48
+perlDreamerPlease create a package of that SC wobject, so that we can look at it and see what's up.18:48
+perlDreamerPost it as a bug.18:48
+perlDreamerand include the CS in that package, if you can.18:48
SDuensinThe what?18:48
@Haargseems most likely that it is a server config problem, but it always helps to have more test information18:49
SDuensinMore information?  Want a tarball of the entire site?  :-P18:49
+perlDreamertopsub, no, I think it only prints whatever methods you have called on it.18:49
+perlDreamerSDuensin, sure, with passwords and usernames18:49
+perlDreamercredit card info optional18:49
@Haargmore information as in the packages as pD said :)18:50
+perlDreamertopsub, I'm wrong18:50
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+perlDreamerit will close the form18:50
+perlDreamerWhen you call new, it makes a footer18:50
@Haargalso, if you haven't cleared the webgui cache you can try that18:50
SDuensinI did, Haarg 18:50
* SDuensin is trying to remember how to package18:51
topsubAh yes i see it now in New, thanks perlDreamer18:51
@Haargedit -> metadata -> make package?18:51
@Haargthen export in the asset manager18:51
SDuensinAh.  Thanks.18:51
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SDuensinperlDreamer - How do you want me to file this bug?18:54
+perlDreamerJust describe what you did.  Made a CS with RSS, made a SC to talk to it, move both to another site.  Breakage.18:55
+perlDreamerattach the packages to the ticket18:55
SDuensinWill do.18:55
+perlDreamerand then say that you want perlmonkey2 to fix it, since he's our best bug fixer18:55
SDuensinFYI, recreating the SC didn't fix it.19:04
@Haargthe SC you posted works as is, and if i import the CS and point it to use that it still works19:04
+perlDreamerThat's good.  Should be easier to test.19:04
@Haargso it has to be a server issue of some sort19:04
SDuensinThat's my feeling.19:04
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SDuensinSpectre have a log somewhere?19:05
@Haargso if you do a wget or curl of the url on the server itself it gets the right content?19:05
@Haargspectre logs in webgui.log19:05
SDuensinYep.  wget worked fine.19:05
SDuensinOoo - errors.  :-)19:06
SDuensin2008/09/10 11:04:03 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::new[1616] - Asset constructor new() requires an assetId.19:06
SDuensin2008/09/10 11:04:03 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::processTemplate[2085] - Can't instantiate template  for asset 2aSuSUjYINUOpB6nLTHaMA19:06
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+perlDreamerWhat is that asset?19:06
SDuensinThat's the SC19:06
+perlDreamerselect a.className, d.url from asset as a join assetData as d on a.assetId=d.assetId;19:07
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix POD spacing19:07
@Haargah, so it's a busted template19:07
SDuensinDamn perlDreamer - you pull that outta your ASCII?19:08
+perlDreamerI have typed that so many times it's not funny19:08
SDuensinWhat is that telling me?  781 rows.19:08
+perlDreamerselect a.className, d.url from asset as a join assetData as d on a.assetId=d.assetId where a.assetId='2aSuSUjYINUOpB6nLTHaMA';19:08
+perlDreamersorry, forgot the where clause;19:09
SDuensin4 rows.19:09
SDuensinWhich makes sense.19:09
* SDuensin remembers when assetId was less insane... 1, 2, 3, etc. :-)19:10
SDuensinACK!  It just showed up!19:10
SDuensinGuess I didn't press "Save" enough before.19:11
@Haargactually, i think i tested it a bit wrong - if i import the package and view it directly it pukes19:11
@Haargbut that's because i don't have your template19:12
SDuensinIt's just a copy of the original template with the content whacked out.19:13
@Haargdoes it work the same if you use one of the default templates?19:19
SDuensinNot sure now, since it started working.  However, when I set up a test SC with a different feed, I used the same template and it worked.19:19
@Haargthe SC code is so confusing to read through, hard to tell if it is a template issue or a problem requesting the content19:19
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix POD spacing19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7459 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Reoccurring transactions now use the correct user id19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7460 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/updates-to-conf-files19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/wremonitor-doesnt-say-which-site-generated-an-error19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/perl-module-module-exceptionclass-is-not-included-in-wre19:44
@perlmonkey2Can someone with high enough admin permissions check and see if Visitor has rights to create new PB wiki entries?19:46
@preactionperlmonkey2, they shouldn't19:47
@perlmonkey2Hmm, well that one seems difficult and I've just switched to focusing on the easy ones :D19:48
@rizenare you talking about the wiki post thing19:49
@rizenit's a template change19:49
@rizenthere needs to be a variable on whether you can post or not19:49
@rizenand if you don't have rights19:49
@rizenthen hide the edit screen19:49
@rizenit's very easy19:50
@rizenthe problem right now is that no matter who you are and what the privileges of the wiki are19:50
@rizeneveryone can see the edit tab19:50
@rizenand start using it19:50
@rizenbut then you get pretty pissed off when you find out everything you just typed gets thrown away19:51
@rizencuz you don't have privileges to post19:51
SDuensinrizen !19:51
SDuensinDude, you see Cappuccino yet?19:51
@rizenno idea what you're talking about19:51
@rizenis it a movie?19:52
@rizena piece of software?19:52
@rizena tasty beverage?19:52
SDuensinMan!  It's what you want to put your desktop stuff in WebGUI!19:52
SDuensinScrew the ZKDesktop I wrote.  This is better.  :-)19:52
@perlmonkey2rizen: Who should I ask to update the PB template then?  Or do you trust me to only slightly bork it up?19:52
@rizenthere is no pb template19:53
@rizenit's just the wiki template19:53
@rizenfix webgui first19:53
@rizenworry about whether pb.com is fucked up later19:53
@rizennevermind SD, i have seen it19:55
@rizeni just forgot19:55
@perlmonkey2rizen: patspam has a bug with the Thingy's intslider not being adjustable in its start, end, or range.  Since that wasn't spec'd shoudl we move it to RFE or is it a bug?19:55
* SDuensin smacks rizen 19:55
@perlmonkey2Sounds like a bug to me, but it wasn't spec'd.19:56
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: are you saying that WB's own RSS doens't work with the SC?  Or just on your packaged instance?20:00
SDuensinperlmonkey2 - It didn't work.  Then it magically started to.20:02
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: so is this a closed bug or do I need to attempt a replication?20:05
SDuensinI'd close it.20:05
@perlmonkey2You didn't change anything?20:05
@perlmonkey2It just started workign?20:05
@perlmonkey2maybe a network issue?20:05
SDuensinOr the moon moved.20:05
@perlmonkey2hah, maybe I shoudl give it a try to make sure.20:05
@preactionor the Hourly Maintenance Tasks workflow started and updated the SC's cache20:06
SDuensinI thought of that, preaction, but I had used the Schedule thing in the admin panel to run them all after I moved the site.20:07
@preactioniirc the RSS feeds don't get updated until the cache gets deleted, also the activity makes sure to not keep hammering 404'd RSS feeds20:08
@preactionha! apparently if you leave the action="" in a <form> empty, firefox uses the URL you're currently on20:09
@preactionwith the query string intact20:09
@preactionlooks like IE does it too20:09
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: worked instantly for me20:11
@perlmonkey2just changed the url to 127.0.0120:11
@perlmonkey2must have been a network issue20:11
SDuensinI tried that, too.  Weird.20:11
* SDuensin is still betting on the moon.20:11
@perlmonkey2your email uid/pwd were packaged also20:11
SDuensinThat's probably bad.20:12
@perlmonkey2hah, 2-1 on the mon20:12
* perlmonkey2 shuts his mouth before he adds *more* bugs20:12
SDuensinNuke that package then, ko?20:12
@perlmonkey2still there?20:13
* SDuensin is a professional lurker20:13
@perlmonkey2I guess asking on IRC if anyone is there isn't the best way to make sure your internet is up.  Power went out for half a second20:15
@perlmonkey2file nuked :)20:16
@perlmonkey2Normally I'd say it was nothing, but now that I live in the sticks, I'm dodging power outages, internet outages and rabid squirrels.20:17
+perlDreamerTwo of those can be fixed, you know.20:18
@perlmonkey2Although since I live in the sticks there will be no city ordinances against my winter project of building the 7 meter 1KW wind turbines and placing them as high as I can find affordable towers.20:18
@perlmonkey2power and which other can be fixed?20:19
+perlDreamerrabid squirrels can be fixed20:19
+perlDreamerbut you have to be a veterinarian to do it20:19
@preactionby fixed you mean killed20:20
@perlmonkey2living in the sticks also means no gun ordinances.  I didn't realize I'd have neighbors who would blast away with their hand guns all evening20:20
+perlDreamerNo, by fixed I mean neutered.20:20
@preactionbut they're still rabid20:20
+perlDreamerthat's ok, at least they can't breed20:21
+perlDreamerand for a few days they'll be totally out of commission20:21
@preactionrabid animals don't breed, they bite20:21
+perlDreamerah, I see20:21
+perlDreamerso they should see a dentist instead20:21
@preactionmy logic is relentless and unyeilding! i shall win!20:21
@perlmonkey23KW of wind turbines averaging half their power should make put me in the black with the power company.    This is going to be the coolest project ever.20:26
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2 is a utility?20:27
@perlmonkey2I hope to be one by this Spring :D20:27
@perlmonkey2although I think I only get $.015KW/h 20:28
@perlmonkey2better than nothing I guess.20:28
@perlmonkey2I pay $.13/KW/h20:28
+perlDreamer$0.015KW/h is $0.36 KW/d which is about $9 KW/m20:29
+perlDreamerabout two two Starbucks20:29
+perlDreamer1/2 pizza20:29
@perlmonkey2But being completely renewable?  Priceless20:29
+perlDreamerInitial expenses for turbines and towers?20:30
@bopbopperlmonkey2: will PB pay for your wind turbines?20:30
+perlDreamer$15-20 K$?20:30
@perlmonkey2Having an excuse to uptool my little wood/metal shop?  Double priceless20:30
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: no way man.  Biggest expense is the towers which are whatever you can find used.20:30
@perlmonkey2next biggest expense is magnets, about $200 for a 7 meter turbine20:31
@perlmonkey2then of course a ton of tonn turning blades and cutting metal and laying resin.20:31
+perlDreameryou're going to build the turbines?20:31
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: well just buying them would be boring and not cost effective.  Total luxury item.20:31
+perlDreamerYou are a monster20:32
@perlmonkey2bopbop: I think there is a stipend if you are 50% green or something.  rizen woudl remember.20:32
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: heh, how so?20:32
+perlDreamerBuilding turbines from scratch.20:33
+perlDreamerDefinitely monster level20:33
@perlmonkey2well, they won't exactly be commercial grade20:33
@perlmonkey2the only part that scares me is turning the blades.20:33
+perlDreamerYou'll have to document your project, and submit it to Make magazine when you're done20:33
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: Make is where I'll be getting directions :P20:33
@perlmonkey2I have a friend who put his turbine on hold after the magnets cracked his finger.20:34
@perlmonkey2What does it mean to buy a conference?  Purchase a badge?20:37
+perlDreamerNo clue.20:40
@perlmonkey2Ug, net gain of 2 bugs since Monday.20:42
@perlmonkey2I mean net removal.  20:42
topsubWould it be possible to take the admin console and break it up into section tabs?20:47
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, can you help me close a bug?