WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-09.log

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SynQ	hi there	00:26
SynQ	the airport has a fine network connection	00:26
SynQ	no one	00:51
SynQ	I just paid 6 dollar to irc with you guys ;)	00:51
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@perlmonkey2	wuc wuc wuc	17:09
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@perlmonkey2	No labor day fun for you!	17:43
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* rizen warms branding iron		17:56
@perlmonkey2	hah	18:10
@perlmonkey2	I've thought that instead of having a large JS lib that looks for new HTML returned from an AJAX call and makes the appropriate JS calls, to having a data member returned form JS calls that is simply eval'd. Anyone have any thoughts on using JS eval?	18:12
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+MrHairgrease	howdy!	18:39
+MrHairgrease	The DIF is home	18:39
+MrHairgrease	please tell the hotel bar they should stop stock piling Spotted Cow	18:39
+MrHairgrease	=)	18:39
@perlmonkey2	How was the trip back?	18:40
+MrHairgrease	fairly ok	18:41
@perlmonkey2	good good	18:41
+MrHairgrease	just cramped	18:41
+MrHairgrease	I just slept for about 4 hours or so	18:41
+MrHairgrease	so I'm fasing into the eurotrash timezone already	18:41
@perlmonkey2	could be worse I suppose.	18:42
+MrHairgrease	sure	18:42
@perlmonkey2	Your graphing asset was a big hit at the wuc.	18:43
@perlmonkey2	Very cool	18:43
+MrHairgrease	ok cool	18:43
+MrHairgrease	I thought it was okay	18:43
+MrHairgrease	but not as good as the acme presentation last year	18:43
+MrHairgrease	anyway	18:44
@perlmonkey2	ah, I didn't see that.	18:44
+MrHairgrease	if you do things to JT's mugshot you score easily with the audience anyway	18:44
+MrHairgrease	which I don't mind at all=)	18:44
@perlmonkey2	Hah, yeah, even JT thought that was good.	18:45
+MrHairgrease	Did the surveys tell that btw?	18:45
+MrHairgrease	or is it your opinion?	18:45
@perlmonkey2	I wouldn't be the one to ask about survey results, but from general PB talk after the event, your asset was a hit.	18:46
+MrHairgrease	Ok cool	18:46
+MrHairgrease	I liked colins webgui programming mistakes talk a lot	18:46
@perlmonkey2	Yes, very useful.	18:46
+MrHairgrease	winning a beer was the cherry on the cake	18:46
@perlmonkey2	Probably should be a seminar.	18:46
@perlmonkey2	hah	18:46
@perlmonkey2	You just liked it cause you hauled in a huge score.	18:47
+MrHairgrease	That, and I like interactive sessions	18:47
+MrHairgrease	I think we need more of those next year somehow	18:47
@perlmonkey2	Absolutely	18:47
@perlmonkey2	It also makes it much easier on the presenter.	18:48
+MrHairgrease	I'm not sure about that	18:48
+MrHairgrease	for instance colin's talk must have cost him a lot of time to prepare	18:48
+MrHairgrease	and you'll have to be able to get your audience participating	18:49
@perlmonkey2	Yeah, would probably only work in presentations where the presenter has a 'hook' to get the audience going.	18:49
+MrHairgrease	That only works if you get the subject of the talk just right.	18:49
+MrHairgrease	right	18:49
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doc777	Hey everyone. I have a strange issue with httpproxy... integrating a help desk into site using httpproxy works great... until a page has <input type=file> Then the page turns blank and displays nothing ;)	19:14
doc777	I do not see anything in any of the log files but something certainly happens. Does webgui block file attachments in httpproxy?	19:15
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@perlmonkey2	Why would testEnvironment say that Archive::Zip is not installed when it is installed (x64 though)?	20:11
+MrHairgrease	did you use setEnve first?	20:11
+MrHairgrease	otherwise i dunno	20:12
@perlmonkey2	I'm not using the WRE. Can't seem to get WRE 8.3/4 to work with the Survey2 branch anymore.	20:12
@perlmonkey2	weird lib errors. Oh well, who wants to code when sys admining is so much more fun :)	20:13
+MrHairgrease	maybe it's the wrong version?	20:13
@perlmonkey2	guess I better stop whining and go find out what's wrong.	20:14
@perlmonkey2	is there a problem with wre8.4 not having DBD::Mysql and not being able to install it?	20:23
@rizen	not that i'm aware of	20:24
@perlmonkey2	That is certainly not a module that the WRE should be missing. But no matter how many times I blow away the wre dir, re-untar it and . setenv it is missing. And then it fails to make.	20:26
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@perlmonkey2	Has anyone had the 8.4 wre use up all available memory when starting mod_perl on x64 redhat?	01:06
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+cap10morgan	Has the EventsCalendar asset been removed? (as of 7.5.21)	01:09
@preaction	cap10morgan, the old one, yes	01:16
+cap10morgan	replaced by event management system?	01:17
+cap10morgan	or calendar?	01:17
@preaction	replaced by Calendar	01:18
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+cap10morgan	ok, thanks	01:22
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7389 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: set a default parameter hashref if none is passed to the set method of Workflow::Instance	04:44
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+Radix-wrk	Hmm.. Google Chrome looks very interesting - http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA35,M1	05:35
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7390 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm:	06:18
CIA-39	WebGUI: Fix a bug in the delete method, execute is passed an array ref.	06:18
CIA-39	WebGUI: Update POD about constructors/instanciators.	06:18
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SynQ	good night to you all :)	11:57
BartJol	morning	11:57
SynQ	the webgui.org is a lot faster today then it was last week :)	12:16
SynQ	I'm really pleased with that	12:16
BartJol	probably there were too many users constantly logged in :)	12:17
BartJol	or do we host the site now?	12:17
SynQ	no we don't	12:25
SynQ	I think someone has tuned it :)	12:25
BartJol	ah, has been to a certain presentation :)	12:26
SynQ	hehe	12:26
SynQ	how is your jet lag?	12:26
BartJol	well, I overslept today for a bit, but now I feel fine	12:27
BartJol	and you, had a nice meeting yesterday?	12:27
SynQ	no meeting	12:28
SynQ	I called to cancel it	12:28
SynQ	I got up quite in time today	12:28
SynQ	now I have to go and provision for our baby	12:28
SynQ	I'll be back	12:28
SynQ	l8ter	12:28
BartJol	doie	12:29
BartJol	doei	12:29
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SDuensin_	Greetings.	16:20
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snapcount	mad props to you guys on the JT for President bit	16:29
snapcount	that made me lol repeatedly	16:29
@khenn	it was pretty funny	16:29
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+snapcount	that news video had me going till the end	16:29
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@perlmonkey2	Is a graphic module required in <HEAD>?	16:39
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@perlmonkey2	http://pastebin.com/d5ba13b0e Does that make sense to anyone? That is the error message I get right before modperl uses up all memory crashing the machine. I've replicated this on two redhat machines now using wre8.3?4 and <HEAD>. The complaint appears to be that Image::Magick is not installed but perl -MImage::Magick says it broken: http://pastebin.com/d4b9fb492	16:51
@perlmonkey2	So does this mean that Image::Magick is broken on RH/Fedora?	16:51
ckotil	im using image magick on RHEL5	16:53
ckotil	ImageMagick-6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.1	16:53
ckotil	ImageMagick-perl-6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.1	16:53
@perlmonkey2	ckotil: So not the WRE?	16:53
ckotil	nope. from source	16:53
knowmad	perlmonkey2: does the Magick.so file exist at that path?	16:54
@perlmonkey2	knowmad: I guess I should probably check :D	16:54
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perlmonkey21	knowmad: Yes, that lib is there. Not sure what that tells me	17:01
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knowmad	perlmonkey2: it tells you the reason for the error message is not that the file was removed; have you tried doing a force re-install of PerlMagick?	17:44
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@perlmonkey2	knowmad: yes, and it fails to build in the wre	17:50
@perlmonkey2	Best as I can tell, this is the wrong version of the .so	17:52
xdanger	is there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ?	17:52
xdanger	I really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl	17:53
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xdanger	rizen: you just missed my question =)	17:54
xdanger	17:52 < xdanger> is there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ?	17:54
xdanger	17:53 < xdanger> I really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl	17:54
@rizen	errors don't have urls	17:55
xdanger	I have some page that generates a error (I think there is a old sql-macro somewhere) but I can't seem to find it	17:56
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xdanger	I meant that if the error is generated in request, the url of the request could be found easyly	17:57
@rizen	nope, there's no way to do that	17:59
@rizen	at least not any way that i'm aware of	17:59
@rizen	is it a macro that you know the name of ?	17:59
@rizen	is it ^SQL();	17:59
@rizen	?	17:59
@rizen	if so, that's easily found	17:59
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xdanger	could be... but I have some errors sometimes that I wish could be quickly found with the url in the error message (like in apache log)	18:01
xdanger	but if the error is only warn, it doesn't print in to the modperl.error.log	18:01
xdanger	rizen: maybe I could appedn $self->session->url->getRequestedUrl(); to error messages in Session/ErrorHandles.pm?	18:03
@rizen	you could for all but fatals	18:04
@rizen	cuz there's not necessarily a session on fatals	18:05
xdanger	yep, I only need warn at the moment	18:07
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xdanger	is there a problem using: $message .= " url:".$self->session->env->get("REQUEST_URI"); ?	18:17
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+MrHairgreas1	howdy!	18:50
@preaction	howdy yourself!	18:51
+MrHairgreas1	is the weather in Madison still as nice?	18:52
+MrHairgreas1	It's generic Dutch weather over here	18:52
@preaction	it was pretty nice the other day, seems nice outside today too	18:52
@preaction	hard to tell in my living room, sky always looks hazy from my living room (i suspect the windows haven't been cleaned in a few decades)	18:53
@rizen	still sunny and nice in madtown today	18:53
+MrHairgreas1	hmm	18:54
+MrHairgreas1	maybe I should return then...	18:54
SDuensin	Hey rizen - I like the new Bizarre Bizarre.	18:54
@rizen	thanks SD	18:54
@rizen	i hope the rest of the community finds it useful as well	18:54
+MrHairgreas1	you mean the Bizarre as in the Bazaar with Kinky Items on it?	18:54
SDuensin	MrHairgreas1 - WHERE'S THAT!? Damn! I missed it!	18:55
SDuensin	rizen - I jumped right on and updated my useless macro entry. :-)	18:55
+MrHairgreas1	I think it was the special after hours session at the wuc	18:55
+MrHairgreas1	=)	18:55
SDuensin	Well, hell, you didn't tell me about THAT session!	18:55
+MrHairgreas1	Why would you wanna know?	18:55
+MrHairgreas1	You didn't attend anyway	18:55
SDuensin	May have changed my mind. :-P	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	hehe	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	well	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	all I can say	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	It involved spotted cows	18:56
SDuensin	Uh. Maybe we have different ideas of Bizarre.	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	maybe not	18:57
@preaction	were there also fat squirrels?	18:57
+MrHairgreas1	it more 'nice' than bizarre	18:57
+MrHairgreas1	i didn't have any	18:57
+MrHairgreas1	only cows for me	18:57
+MrHairgreas1	an a few butts	18:58
+MrHairgreas1	harharhar	18:58
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estiven	Hi	19:03
@preaction	hi	19:03
+MrHairgreas1	high!	19:03
estiven	I have a problem with my users.....	19:03
+MrHairgreas1	who hasn't =)	19:04
estiven	and i need delete all... exept the admin user...	19:04
estiven	how i can do that..?	19:04
@preaction	from the front-end you can delete one at a time	19:04
@preaction	you could use the UserList asset to make delete links for a lot of users	19:05
estiven	yes	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	the quick way is by removing all entries from the users and authentication tables	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	as well as	19:05
@preaction	you could write a utility script that can delete all the users you don't want	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	the profileData tables	19:05
@preaction	groupings, userProfileData, userLoginLog	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	and you'll have to take into account grouping as well\	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	indeed	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	a utility script would be best	19:06
+MrHairgreas1	1) do a query on the users table to fetch all id's	19:06
+MrHairgreas1	2) do a foreach on those id's	19:06
estiven	yes	19:07
+MrHairgreas1	for every id matching a 22 character guid do	19:07
+MrHairgreas1	WebGUI::User->new($session, $id)->delete;	19:07
+MrHairgreas1	that would do your stuff	19:07
+MrHairgreas1	please check out the pod of WG::User	19:07
@preaction	yeah, make sure you don't get uid "1" and uid "3"	19:07
@preaction	but ->delete() wouldn't allow you to delete those anyway	19:08
estiven	jmm	19:08
+MrHairgreas1	jmm?	19:08
+MrHairgreas1	oh	19:09
+MrHairgreas1	hmm =)	19:09
estiven	jeje yes	19:09
+MrHairgreas1	i see	19:09
+MrHairgreas1	just use _utility.skeleton (or something like that) in sbin to start with.	19:09
estiven	Ok, I try to do it	19:10
estiven	Thanks	19:10
+MrHairgreas1	sure	19:10
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juan	sometimes my webgui.log is show me the next error:	20:25
juan	http://www.webgui.pastebin.com/m7dcde5c1	20:25
juan	i have tried to fix it but i don't know what is it about?	20:25
CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7391 /experimental/Bazaar/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Sku/BazaarItem.pm Wobject/Bazaar.pm):	20:28
CIA-39	WebGUI: moved keywords	20:28
CIA-39	WebGUI: fixed problem with comments deleting	20:28
juan	http://www.webgui.pastebin.com/m18a8846d	20:31
juan	those are 2 errors	20:31
+MrHairgreas1	juan: you probably have too many inodes in your cache folder	20:32
+MrHairgreas1	that's what the Too many links thing means if i'm correct	20:32
+MrHairgreas1	try to purge your cache for that site	20:33
+MrHairgreas1	that shoudl help	20:33
juan	how can I do that?	20:34
+MrHairgreas1	In your admin console there's an option caching	20:35
+MrHairgreas1	or just rm it by hand	20:35
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+MrHairgreas1	rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache/www.colegiosvirtuales.com.conf/	20:35
+MrHairgreas1	i'd try the admin console first	20:36
juan	yes	20:36
jlittlewood	hi folks. has anyone tried to tackle the bug with export tab delimited not working in 7.5.21	20:36
jlittlewood	?	20:36
juan	how can avoid it?	20:37
+MrHairgreas1	juan: you can't really	20:37
@Haarg	yes jlittlewood, i have a patch for it	20:37
jlittlewood	cash money	20:37
juan	ok	20:37
+MrHairgreas1	it's a problem with how FileCache writes it's stuff to disk	20:37
jlittlewood	haarg: can you send it my way or is it up somewhere?	20:37
+MrHairgreas1	I think there's an workflow in there somewhere that cleans it out for you	20:38
@Haarg	i don't have it out anywhere yet, just a sec	20:38
juan	ok	20:39
juan	thanks	20:39
@Haarg	jlittlewood, https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm?rev1=7391;rev2=7392;mime=text/plain	20:41
jlittlewood	haarg: awesome. thanks. any tips/instructions on applying this patch? (I've never done that before -- might end up being totally out of my league, but you never know.)	20:43
@Haarg	in this case it's simple enough you may want to just do it by hand	20:44
@Haarg	if you downloaded that, then ran "patch /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm < patchfile", it should work	20:46
jlittlewood	haarg: great. Do you know if this will go into 7.5.22?	20:51
@Haarg	it will	20:52
jlittlewood	haarg: thanks again.	20:53
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7392 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work	21:07
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@perlmonkey2	Anyone see a bug reported on Workflow being broken?	22:10
@preaction	perlmonkey2, no	22:11
@perlmonkey2	On two machines now using [HEAD] I've had the same error. One machine using source the other the WRE.	22:12
@perlmonkey2	strange	22:12
@perlmonkey2	no idea if it is me or my setup though.	22:12
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@perlmonkey2	This ring a bell with anyone? 2008/09/02 14:30:53 - ERROR - www.survey.com.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance '6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 334	22:31
xdanger	webgui's admin interface on google chrome is blazingly fast =)	22:33
topsub	xdanger do you have it for ubuntu or windows?	22:35
topsub	Seems its only for windows?	22:35
xdanger	windows for the moment	22:35
xdanger	but if you like you can build it from the source: http://code.google.com/chromium/	22:36
@preaction	perlmonkey2, yes. a tag got deleted before spectre could get to it. try restarting spectre?	22:37
xdanger	topsub: quite simple how-to: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux	22:37
@perlmonkey2	preaction: same error even after restarting	22:46
@perlmonkey2	I'll blow away this DB instance and see if that resolves things	22:46
@perlmonkey2	preaction: I just blew away the DB, recreated, restarted everything, and am getting the same error.	22:54
@preaction	perlmonkey2, same instance ID? 6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g	22:54
@perlmonkey2	preaction: well no, it looks like none of the workflows are being ran	22:55
@perlmonkey2	new ids on most of them	22:55
@preaction	most or all?	22:55
@preaction	you might want to check in the WorkflowInstance table. there's a "parameters" column that, for those instances, will have a tagId for a Version Tag.	22:56
@preaction	first, check to see if the tagId exists in assetVersionTag and/or assetData	22:56
@perlmonkey2	okay	22:56
@preaction	next, check to see if that tagId and/or the instanceId exists in create.sql	22:56
@perlmonkey2	k	22:56
@Haarg	there shouldn't be any instances and only one tag in create.sql	22:57
@Haarg	if that ever isn't the case then i screwed something up	22:57
@perlmonkey2	preaction: the parameters column is an empty json struct	22:58
@perlmonkey2	empty hash	22:59
@preaction	then you can safely delete those instances from the WorkflowInstance table and restart spectre	22:59
@perlmonkey2	okay	22:59
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7394 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work	22:59
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@perlmonkey2	Okay, fresh db creation, just ran upgrade on it. Shoudl be completely clean. I'm going to edit an article and save it. And 100-1 it throws the workflow error.	23:02
@perlmonkey2	The worldflow instance is paramaters:{}	23:03
juan	i have many posts in a CS	23:14
juan	i want to send the link to a friend	23:14
juan	is there a macro to detect the current url for a thread?	23:15
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miloidrr	Hi I have a question about cs	23:32
miloidrr	I have a data form in a pl, in a cs templete im calling the data form with a ^AssetProxy macro	23:33
miloidrr	This form send the post to the user friends	23:34
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miloidrr	Can i put templates variables in the value of filds to catch the URL?	23:34
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elnino	Hi All! Hope you all had a create Labor Day weekend. Great WUC!!! Out of curiousity, are there downloads from the workshop? (tuesday/wednesday)	00:25
knowmad	Hi elnino. Yeah, that was a great WUC this year.	00:34
+MrHairgreas1	it sure was	00:35
+MrHairgreas1	are there any photos yet?	00:36
+MrHairgreas1	they seemed to have disappered from the wuc photo section	00:36
elnino	for those who missed it, you missed out. It was a bummer I missed tuesday/wednesday	00:36
elnino	knowmad: It was nice meeting you and DK. And maybe I met MrHairgreas1, but I don't know =)	00:37
+MrHairgreas1	me neither	00:37
elnino	did you teach any of the presentations?	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	I'm one of the dutch guys	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	yeah	00:38
elnino	well there's 14 of you.. wasn't there?	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	the presentation on the Graphing Plugins	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	the pretty one	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	=)	00:38
elnino	Yes, I was in your class, that was pretty funny - very well done!	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	Then we've probably met =)	00:39
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elnino	probably.	00:39
+MrHairgreas1	hehe, who are you if I may ask?	00:39
elnino	I was the one that showed up with a baby in hand at the end of the day friday - if you were a around. I dont' know if I actually intro'd myself.	00:41
+MrHairgreas1	I was there but it doesn't ring bells	00:41
+MrHairgreas1	oh well, the wuc was cool	00:42
@bopbop	MrHairgreas1: the wuc photos for this year are out there: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/photos	00:45
+MrHairgreas1	that's where I looked, but there are no photos at all anymore over there	00:45
+MrHairgreas1	not even those of previous wucs	00:46
elnino	confimed, just white space.	00:46
+MrHairgreas1	are they perhaps moved to a gallery somewhere?	00:47
elnino	I'm using ff 2.0 and IE - so it doesn't appear to be a broswer issue.	00:47
@Haarg	looks like a permissions problem	00:50
@preaction	it might be on purpose, JT was saying there were some performance issues with the thumbnails and slideshow pages	00:51
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@Haarg	should be viewable now	00:57
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SynQ2	good day to you	01:08
+MrHairgreas1	haarg: it works	01:21
+MrHairgreas1	a tad slow indeed	01:22
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SynQ2	ok	02:06
SynQ2	time for bed	02:06
SynQ2	nite	02:06
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CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7396 /branch/doug-experimental/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: finished DataTable work. just need to add WebGUI.i18n JS interface	05:18
topsub	where can i see mysql errors?	05:19
topsub	i can't get mysql to start for some reason and not sure where to go from here	05:19
topsub	is there a way i can kiill mysql or something?	05:19
@rizen	in /data/wre/var/mysqldata/HOSTNAME.err	05:20
topsub	when i try to start mysql i get "kill: 409: No such process" what is it doing? besides not starting	05:24
@rizen	it's spitting out an error message that reads: "kill: 409: No such process"	05:25
topsub	does this mean mysql is already running but wre doesn't know that?	05:26
@rizen	no it just means "kill: 409: No such process"	05:26
@rizen	i have no idea what that means though	05:26
@rizen	other than that mysql isn't starting =)	05:26
topsub	so its trying to kill 409 but there is no process	05:26
@rizen	2 things you should check	05:26
topsub	hmm when i do "top"i see a "mysqld" and mysqld_safe"	05:27
@rizen	1) ps aux\|grep mysql	05:27
@rizen	see what mysql processes are running and kill them	05:27
@rizen	2) look in /data/wre/var/mysqldata and see if there is a .pid file	05:27
@rizen	if there is, deleted it	05:27
topsub	when i run the ps aux \|grep mysql i get a list.. so i do a sudo kill #### then the pid number	05:35
topsub	they seem to come right back	05:35
@rizen	kill -9 ####	05:35
@rizen	the -9 means kill unconditionally	05:35
@rizen	kill ruthlessly	05:35
@rizen	murder that process where it stands	05:36
topsub	lol	05:36
@rizen	so i'm watching the republican national convention right now	05:37
+Radix-wrk	reiser style	05:37
@rizen	fred thompson gave an inspired speech	05:37
khenn_	I tivo'd it cause I got bored of watching veterans	05:38
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@rizen	but i'm noticing one huge difference compared to last weeks democratic convention	05:38
@rizen	hardly anybody looks happy	05:38
@rizen	very few people are smiling	05:38
@rizen	laughing	05:38
@khenn	I'm noticed that there are not as many people	05:38
@rizen	most just look mad	05:38
@khenn	but maybe cause it was early	05:39
@rizen	yeah, the upper decks are mostly empty	05:39
@khenn	so thompson was worth hearing?	05:39
@rizen	his speechifying was good	05:40
topsub	alright so i killed all mysql stuff and removed all the pids	05:40
@rizen	but his message was mostly smoke blowing	05:40
@rizen	but he was WAY WAY WAY better than laura bush	05:41
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topsub	thanks rizen finally got mysql starting again	05:52
topsub	don't know what happen	05:52
@rizen	topsub, try not sucking so much	05:53
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@rizen	that usually helps me	05:53
topsub	lol hey hey... make software that works!	05:54
topsub	auto fixing software would be pimp	05:54
@rizen	what are you complaining about	05:55
@rizen	it wasn't my software that wasn't working	05:55
@rizen	it was mysql	05:55
topsub	lol	05:56
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+Radix-wrk	Hmm.. tinymce editor in my version of webgui doesn't seem to like the new Google Chrome browser - doesn't open at all	06:21
+Radix-wrk	Seems to work on the current beta tho	06:22
+Radix-wrk	maybe it's time for me to look at upgrading our 7.0.8 webgui	06:23
@rizen	7.0 is pretty old by now	06:24
+Radix-wrk	yeah, we just haven't needed to change	06:25
+Radix-wrk	everything works so well as is	06:26
@rizen	understood	06:27
@rizen	webgui 7.0 is pretty good	06:27
@rizen	so many shiny new features in 7.5 though	06:27
@rizen	=)	06:27
@preaction	like the TinyMCE 3.0 series!	06:28
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CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7397 /branch/doug-experimental/ (6 files in 6 dirs): added WebGUI.i18n JS. started converting DataTable to using i18n	08:15
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wgGuest27	Hello, any news about when WRE 0.8.5 will be released?	12:27
BartJol	haven't heard any plans for it	12:29
wgGuest27	after WUC there was going to be a 0.8.5. version.. to fix 0.8.4	12:30
BartJol	ooh, then it might be soon	12:33
BartJol	I'm not sure, I've heard a planning for WebGUI itself	12:33
BartJol	but, since those bugs were quite serious I do suspect that it might be soon	12:34
wgGuest27	ok	12:35
wgGuest27	I'll check the site end of the week and we'll see ;-)	12:36
BartJol	that might be best	12:36
wgGuest27	Something else:	12:36
wgGuest27	Is it convenient as welll for small sites to split mod_prox/perl and/or the db server? When it comes to performance? What would a bottleneck be?	12:36
wgGuest27	In other words, which part requires best hardware for best performance?	12:37
BartJol	well, right now we have some sites which have all on the same server	12:37
wgGuest27	Guess mod_perl is on the third place?!?	12:37
BartJol	I'd think mod_proxy actually	12:38
BartJol	that passes most stuff through to mod_perl as far as I know	12:38
wgGuest27	ok..	12:38
BartJol	bu I guess that you can better combine both mod_perl and mod_proxy on 1 server	12:39
BartJol	if you have two	12:39
BartJol	and then the db on another	12:39
wgGuest27	ok..	12:40
BartJol	but that is the way I interpreted stuff	12:40
wgGuest27	You have a no. of sites on one server you say, since you do not require splitting, whats the size/traffic of a big site?	12:43
wgGuest27	Try to determine if is interessting at all to think about splitting WRE/DB...	12:44
BartJol	mmm, I'm not that specialised in those numbers, mostly doing WebGUI support, but try to work myself up to ubernerd :)	12:44
BartJol	sorry	12:45
BartJol	were you at the wuc?	12:46
wgGuest27	no	12:46
BartJol	alas	12:46
BartJol	it was fun	12:46
wgGuest27	I mean sites like 1Gb, 5Gb, 10Gb or 100Gb traffic...?!?	12:46
wgGuest27	ok..	12:47
BartJol	I have to look something up for that brb	12:47
wgGuest27	when a WUC is in Europe I'll consider there to go...	12:47
wgGuest27	ok tnx	12:47
BartJol	I see that for a fairly big site we have	12:48
BartJol	2GB ram	12:48
BartJol	2 Mbit traffic	12:48
wgGuest27	dedicated 2Mbit line?	12:49
wgGuest27	but monthly traffic for that site?	12:49
wgGuest27	+/-	12:50
BartJol	oh, it actually two times that	12:50
BartJol	eeeh, starnge it isn't defined...	12:50
BartJol	for a small site we have 10 GB	12:51
BartJol	well the machines are virtual, I'm not sure whether the servers have a reservation for the traffic	12:52
BartJol	I think it's load balanced with the other VM's	12:52
BartJol	but, not sure about that	12:53
wgGuest27	OK tnx	12:54
BartJol	np	12:54
SynQ	ah	12:54
SynQ	sales :)	12:54
wgGuest27	I'll first buy one server then we'll see...	12:55
wgGuest27	;-)	12:55
BartJol	aaaah it's him	12:55
BartJol	well, I leave it to you SynQ	12:55
SynQ	wgGuest27: you want to rent some server space from us?	12:55
wgGuest27	Well the plan is to have our own server here...	12:57
wgGuest27	we'll get fiber soon	12:57
SynQ	where is here?	12:57
wgGuest27	Sweden	12:57
SynQ	Ah nice	12:57
SynQ	would you like to buy some assistance from us installing and configuring your setup?	12:57
SynQ	for example I think you would most definately benifit from a separate database and modperl server	12:58
SynQ	but you could also virtualize that on one box	12:58
SynQ	in two virtual instances	12:58
wgGuest27	But isn't the splitting benefit away then...?!? separate hardware..	12:59
SynQ	no it isn't	12:59
SynQ	since splitting it makes it much more easy to manage	13:00
wgGuest27	So the DB server is requiring most.. besides mod_perl&proxy?	13:00
SynQ	yes and no	13:00
SynQ	wgGuest27: I have to go, lunch is calling	13:00
wgGuest27	ok	13:01
wgGuest27	me too	13:01
wgGuest27	;-)	13:01
SynQ	what is your name?	13:01
wgGuest27	back at 1300	13:01
SynQ	I have got work to do after 13:00	13:01
wgGuest27	My wg-name is Jmack..	13:02
SynQ	ah ok	13:02
SynQ	mine is koen	13:02
SynQ	add me as a friend on webgui.org	13:02
SynQ	and we can e-mail about it	13:02
wgGuest27	Ok, I'll check out how that works...!	13:03
wgGuest27	cu	13:03
SynQ	CU	13:03
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patspam	SynQ: when are you going to get some servers here in Australia, I'd love to outsource my hosting ;)	14:06
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patspam	I'm seeing 'ap_get_server_banner() not available' errors from apache with wre 0.8.4. is that part of known bugs to be fixed in 0.8.5?	14:11
BartJol	dunno	14:16
patspam	the full error is: ap_get_server_banner() not available until httpd/2.2.4 falling back to ap_get_server_version() at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux/XSLoader.pm line 94.	14:17
BartJol	well if there isn't a bu report on that, you should make one	14:23
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BartJol	how was your trip?	14:23
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patspam	i lied, it was only 14.5hrs from LAX to sydney	14:32
patspam	but it was still less than fun	14:32
BartJol	well 7.5 hours was enough for me too	14:32
SynQ2	bart	14:56
SynQ2	I am looking into a very strange thing	14:56
SynQ2	in the requesttracker	14:57
SynQ2	a karma rank is displayed	14:57
SynQ2	but it is displayed as a float with 6 numbers after the .	14:57
SynQ2	I want to display only the integer part of that float	14:57
SynQ2	but only in displaying the amount of karma	14:58
SynQ2	how do I find out where the karma rank is being constructed in the code?	14:58
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BartJol	a wait, let me read	15:04
BartJol	you mean in the webgui.org?	15:04
BartJol	ah, wait	15:05
BartJol	what site?	15:05
BartJol	I think it is a template var in the CS	15:07
BartJol	it's tmpl_var karmaRank	15:10
BartJol	how surprising	15:10
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SynQ2	yes I know	15:15
SynQ2	but it displays the karma like this: 0.000000	15:15
SynQ2	instead of just 0	15:15
BartJol	it's in the db in the thread	15:15
SynQ2	there is an RFE for it	15:16
SynQ2	http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/round-karma-rank	15:16
BartJol	I see	15:17
BartJol	in the db you can set the karmaRank Type to a float 11,0	15:18
SynQ2	the 6 trailing zero's do not make it much clearer	15:18
SynQ2	what table?	15:18
BartJol	instead of 11,6	15:18
BartJol	Thread	15:19
BartJol	sorry for giving you all info you already know, but, I also have to analyse the problem	15:20
BartJol	:)	15:20
BartJol	let meknow whether it works	15:21
SynQ2	ok	15:21
SynQ2	but that is not what I want	15:22
SynQ2	I only want to display it as an int	15:22
SynQ2	but still want to keep it as a float in the database	15:22
SynQ2	so I want the value in the template to be formatted as an 11,0 or 11.6	15:22
SynQ2	11,6 even	15:23
SynQ2	I have added a comment to the RFE	15:26
BartJol	ok, I will look into the thread code	15:26
SynQ2	now how is a template processed?	15:26
SynQ2	perhaps the webgui developers book says something about that	15:26
BartJol	please read your docs:	15:32
BartJol	MySQL allows a non-standard syntax: FLOAT(M,D) or REAL(M,D) or DOUBLE PRECISION(M,D). Here, "(M,D)" means than values can be stored with up to M digits in total, of which D digits may be after the decimal point. For example, a column defined as FLOAT(7,4) will look like -999.9999 when displayed. MySQL performs rounding when storing values, so if you insert 9	15:32
BartJol	oh sorry	15:32
BartJol	oops	15:32
BartJol	je suis stupid	15:32
BartJol	mmm	15:32
BartJol	but it might not matter anyway, if the karmaRank is calculated (it's only a division) everytime from the total amount of karma, the storing with more digits is irrelevant	15:35
BartJol	I understand that it differs, if you mean to show them on differnt places with different amount of digits	15:37
BartJol	so it might still be preferable to be able to include it in a tmp_var	15:38
SynQ2	but how do I change the way it is displayed in the template?	15:42
SynQ2	what code do I have to edit to make available a karmaRankInteger for example?	15:42
BartJol	if you want that (for a custom site), I think at the moment it is the easiest to write a macro that gets the karmaScale and karma, divide thse and give it as the output you want	15:42
SynQ2	I want it done generically	15:42
BartJol	I'm looking... might take a minute	15:45
SynQ2	k	15:45
@khenn	just make a macro that rounds the number ...	15:47
@khenn	probably 1 liner	15:47
@khenn	you could also do it with JavaScript if you were so inclined	15:48
@khenn	var karmaRank = document.getElementById("karmaRank").value + 0;	15:49
BartJol	khenn, he just tries to push me to learn more :)	15:49
@khenn	ah	15:49
BartJol	mmm I would expect it in sub view in Thread.pm	16:03
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BartJol	but I don't see it	16:27
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BartJol	SynQ2 I did found out that the Rank is indeed reevaluted each time the karma gets updates	16:36
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BartJol	and will be $karma/$karmaScale	16:36
BartJol	the new karma that is	16:36
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BartJol	joh, SynQ2, lost interest?	16:52
@khenn	anyone know why the SQL module is manually building references in buildArrayRefOfHashRefs, etc instead of using the built in DBI modules ($dbh->selectall_arrayref, etc)?	16:59
@rizen	probably because whoever wrote it didn't look at that	17:01
@khenn	do you have an objection to me "fixing" it?	17:02
SynQ2	huh	17:02
SynQ2	no I didn't lose interest	17:02
@khenn	I'm guessing the DBI modules are faster	17:02
@khenn	but I should probably benchmark it to be safe	17:02
SynQ2	I allready saw that indeed $karma/$karmaScale	17:02
@rizen	provided that it produces the exact same data structure, then no i don't	17:02
BartJol	ok, then I will continue	17:02
SynQ2	but that is not what I want to know	17:02
BartJol	I knpow	17:02
@khenn	yeah it does	17:02
SynQ2	I want to know how a template variable can be created	17:02
@khenn	it's actually really powerful	17:02
SynQ2	so that a separate template variable can be created that is called karmaRankInteger	17:03
@khenn	so I'd like to add another module that allows you to specify DBI attributes as well	17:03
@preaction	the selectall_* methods are a recent (last 5 years) addition to DBI	17:03
@preaction	mainly because everyone was doing WebGUI::SQL around its clunky prepare, execute, fetch* crap	17:03
@khenn	so are the buildRefOfRefs modules	17:03
SynQ2	rizen: we are getting there in converting .avi to .flv and .mov	17:04
@khenn	I want to benchmark them	17:04
@khenn	before I do anything	17:04
@khenn	can also do some advanced error handling with those	17:04
@khenn	I'll get back to you on results	17:04
BartJol	SynQ2 I understand, well I know how to create a template var, but to do it genericly from the float might be some more difficult	17:06
@rizen	SynQ2: huh?	17:06
SynQ2	bart: I would say that how a template var is created would be written somewhere in the developer book	17:06
SynQ2	and I don't have that book here	17:06
BartJol	well, it's not in the index	17:06
SynQ2	I wouldn't have guessed it was in the index	17:07
SynQ2	but surely you must know how the template system works before you can submit code to WebGUI	17:07
SynQ2	since it is a best practice to template everything	17:07
BartJol	well, I'm working on it...	17:09
SynQ2	ok	17:09
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SDuensin	Greetings.	17:33
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@khenn	good morning!	18:07
BartJol	morning? it's almost spotted cow time	18:08
@khenn	I don't respect timezones of third world countries! =)	18:09
BartJol	oh, so you'll drink along with us	18:09
@khenn	haha	18:09
BartJol	it was toooo easy	18:10
SynQ2	it has been proven that the us is a third world country	18:10
SynQ2	if you go there you are not allowed to give blood for a few months	18:11
SynQ2	ask joeri	18:11
@khenn	months only?	18:11
@khenn	if you travel outside the US you can't give blood for a year!	18:11
SynQ2	what if you go back to the US?	18:11
SynQ2	can you give blood then?	18:11
BartJol	but my leg begins to have a normal color again	18:11
SynQ2	bart had spotted leg	18:12
@perlmonkey2	too much spotted cow will do that.	18:12
@khenn	that's a side affect of spotted coww	18:12
BartJol	aaah	18:12
BartJol	so last year I haven't drunk enough	18:12
@khenn	and next year you'll drink more so you go home with spots all over!	18:13
BartJol	more?	18:13
BartJol	rather not	18:13
SynQ2	I second that	18:13
BartJol	I'm getting the idea that I am figuring the karmaRank out btw	18:14
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@khenn	anyone try google chrome yet?	18:16
@khenn	It's not available for the mac	18:17
@khenn	but I installed it on windows	18:17
BartJol	I have it installed	18:17
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: is all the hype correct?	18:17
@khenn	I can't decide if I like it or not	18:17
BartJol	but I am still a bit base-stuck to ff	18:17
@khenn	I'll use it once it comes out for Mac	18:18
@khenn	and see if I like it better	18:18
@perlmonkey2	They'll need to have firebug, firegestures, and web dev plugins for chrome before I'd consider it.	18:18
BartJol	well, I'm not sure what "all the hype" is	18:18
BartJol	yeah, some more plug-ins are usefull	18:18
BartJol	it does look clean and simple though	18:18
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: like firefox did when it first came out? :P	18:18
BartJol	:) something like that	18:19
BartJol	kan make a screenshot	18:19
@perlmonkey2	I'd like to see it. But none of that Dutch spotted cow porn in the shot.	18:19
BartJol	perlmonkey2: Hairgrease here, what ar firegestures	18:26
BartJol	?	18:26
@preaction	probably mouse gestures for firefox	18:26
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: yes, what preaction said	18:26
BartJol	Don't call me Bart	18:26
@preaction	move the mouse a certain way, and an action gets performed	18:26
@perlmonkey2	right click, draw a pattern and firefox does something (open a tab, switch tabs, whatever)	18:26
BartJol	It's me MrHairgrease	18:26
@perlmonkey2	MrHairgrease doesn't autotab complete :p	18:27
BartJol	It does on my box	18:27
BartJol	which MrHairgrease	18:27
BartJol	/usr/bin/MrHairgrease	18:27
@perlmonkey2	I fear to know what that does	18:28
BartJol	that's prolly wise =)	18:28
@preaction	attempts to corner the market on hair-care products	18:28
@perlmonkey2	heh	18:28
BartJol	but the chrome screenshot is now on www.bartjol.nl, just look at the capture filepile	18:29
@perlmonkey2	I see a Capture link, but it's of some goofy dork	18:31
BartJol	but rendering is quite fast actually	18:31
BartJol	oh, sorry	18:31
@perlmonkey2	Yeah, the BMP loaded very fast	18:31
@perlmonkey2	must have a fast pipe	18:32
@perlmonkey2	or is that the standard upstream on a home connection in the Nehterlands?	18:32
BartJol	try the some link again, this picture better?\	18:33
@perlmonkey2	In honor of Senator Ted Stevens, I think we should refer to 'pipe' as 'tubes', at least until he is safely locked away in federal prison :D	18:33
@perlmonkey2	did you commit, because I get the same image?	18:34
BartJol	versioning is off	18:34
BartJol	cache is empty now	18:34
@perlmonkey2	You are referring to the Capture_09032008 link below the front page image?	18:35
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BartJol	yeah	18:36
BartJol	your browser cache?	18:36
BartJol	works for me	18:36
@perlmonkey2	oh, I see it now	18:36
@perlmonkey2	:D	18:36
@perlmonkey2	Does look very sharp	18:36
BartJol	from the dutch version of bigboobs.com	18:36
BartJol	wanna have the link?	18:37
@perlmonkey2	hah	18:37
BartJol	now I deleted it	18:37
BartJol	there is no porn allowed on the procolix machines	18:37
@perlmonkey2	You must work for a slave driver	18:39
BartJol	well, I get payed, that's an essential difference	18:40
BartJol	let's not talk about the rest of the circumstances	18:40
BartJol	and don't mention the egg	18:40
@perlmonkey2	If an egg is ever involved it is always best not to duscuss it.	18:41
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BartJol	well, I'm supposed to go and drink beer now	18:51
SynQ2	tsk	18:52
SynQ2	then go	18:52
BartJol	but SynQ2, I'm a bit further in understanding, allthough that is not full yet, so you'll have to wait some longer	18:52
SynQ2	ok	18:52
SynQ2	good	18:52
BartJol	almost did a :wq on collaboration.pm	18:53
BartJol	don't think I changed stuff, but those automitisms can't be good	18:53
BartJol	so maybe till tonight	18:54
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elnino	hi! are there any downloads frm the user workshops from the wuc available?	19:22
snapcount	the presentation slides were up last week	19:23
snapcount	not sure if they are still there	19:23
elnino	I saw the wuc/files - but they were all the thursday/friday conference ones.. Where there any from tuesday/wednesday?	19:23
@rizen	no	19:24
elnino	ok.. thanks	19:24
@rizen	there was almost 2 gigabytes of files for that	19:24
@rizen	so we didn't put it up	19:24
elnino	oh. would it be possible to request them and have them emailed?	19:24
elnino	my users learned about and want to do banners on webgui - an area I'm totally unfamilier with. do I just give them ad manager permissions?	19:25
@rizen	what privileges you give them is up to you	19:27
@rizen	but that will give them access to the ad manager	19:27
@rizen	then they still have to have the rights to edit whatever theyw ant to put the ads on	19:27
elnino	sure. that's what I was looking for. I'm also assuming that advertising is for OTHER people to advertise on OUR site. They seem to want to put a banner on our own site, but to me that's the same as posting an image. So either they misunderstood, or I'm way off..	19:28
kristi	elnino- they want to display rotating images using the ad system	19:31
kristi	I covered that with them	19:31
kristi	so they can rotate images of products that link to the products	19:31
SynQ2	hi kristi	19:31
kristi	hi SynQ2	19:32
elnino	oh ok. so it doesn't necessarily need to be ad space sold to a third party.	19:32
kristi	elnino: they are understanding correctly, it's a great way to feature items on your site	19:32
kristi	we do it on ours (PB) w the books and the WUC ad	19:32
SynQ2	kristi: how far do you live from Elk Grove Village, IL?	19:33
elnino	kristi: are they expecting to be runningn 7.5? we currently only have 7.4.40.	19:34
kristi	elnino: it will work in 7.4.40	19:34
elnino	kristi: ok Thanks for clarifying!	19:35
kristi	SynQ2: about 2 hours	19:35
SynQ2	ah that is perfect	19:35
kristi	for?...	19:36
SynQ2	would Ryan be interested in a side job?	19:36
kristi	perhaps	19:36
SynQ2	there is a data center over there in Elk Grove Village	19:36
kristi	and how could Ryan be of help?	19:37
SynQ2	the only thing he'd have to do is some hardware juggeling	19:37
SynQ2	placing servers and/or replacing failed hardware	19:37
SynQ2	not a really hard job	19:37
SynQ2	but you have to be strong and deligent :)	19:37
kristi	I'll send you his email	19:38
kristi	as long as it's legal and fairly easy, he might be interested	19:38
SynQ2	legal and fairly decent sounds like an accurate description	19:39
SynQ2	It will have to be done by someone I can trust	19:40
SynQ2	and I trust Ryan	19:40
kristi	ok, I'll send you his email	19:40
SynQ2	thanks	19:40
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xootom	hi, anyone know where i can download the If macro?	19:43
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@preaction	xootom, it might be in the bazaar, otherwise dunno	19:46
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+perlDreamer	mighty quiet today	19:59
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xootom	looks like If was discontinued for security	20:01
xootom	can i use tmpl_if on an environment variable (Env macro)?	20:01
+perlDreamer	xootom, macros are evaluated last? So probably no.	20:02
xootom	i'm trying to make it possible to login and register from the mobile version of a site, and as a site can only have one 'default template' and login/reg templates, i need them to detect for it being a mobile device and show different templates accordingly	20:03
xootom	so I created an environment variable in the modperl.conf of each site, setting 'mobile' to 0 or 1 depending on which site the user comes in on. ^Env can display this value.	20:04
xootom	want to assetproxy in, or conditional, different templates into default/login/registration templates	20:04
xootom	either based on the env value, or i guess if the url includes 'mobi' or something	20:05
xootom	maybe i could just risk it with the if macro	20:05
+perlDreamer	well, again, I'm pretty sure that macros are evaluated last, which means that they template logic has already been executed by the time the macro is checked. It would be too late.	20:06
+perlDreamer	In other words, macros won't help you here.	20:07
xootom	I can put ^Env("mobile"); in the default template, it shows 1 or 0 correctly depending on the site I use	20:07
+perlDreamer	sure, but try to say <tmpl_if ^Env("mobile"); >true<tmpl_else>false</tmpl_if>	20:07
+perlDreamer	I don't think it will work the same	20:07
xootom	yeah that doesn't work, does that only work on actual template variables.. perhaps i need to create a template variable for the mobile flag, but would rather not modify webgui core	20:08
SynQ2	mr. perlDreamer	20:09
SynQ2	how areth thou?	20:09
+perlDreamer	xootom, one way that may work is to "clone" your site using packages, but using different templates on the two sites.	20:09
+perlDreamer	but that's a lot of work	20:09
+perlDreamer	SynQ2: I'm okay.	20:09
xootom	do you mean two completely separate sites, different user bases etc?	20:10
+perlDreamer	It could be done with different branches off of one site so you can share users and groups	20:10
+perlDreamer	I'd ask this question in the HTML Design forum on webgui.org	20:10
xootom	it's just the default template/login/registration though as they can only be specified once in the site settings	20:11
xootom	the rest of the site is correctly set up with mobile templates	20:11
+perlDreamer	xootom, can you use CSS magic to handle the different browsers (regular vs mobile)?	20:11
xootom	maybe, the mobile pages would be very basic, a hack would be a massive dynamic javascript output if it's a desktop browser	20:12
+perlDreamer	alternately, just make the login/registration template very simple so that it works in both places.	20:13
xootom	yes that was last resort, as it'd make those pages look so different from the desktop version	20:13
xootom	thanks for your help perlDreamer	20:13
+perlDreamer	you're welcome	20:14
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+perlDreamer	SynQ2: Good flight back home?	20:16
SynQ2	sure	20:18
SynQ2	just a fair bit of turbulence	20:18
+perlDreamer	Has the Product Workflow RFE been rated yet?	20:20
+perlDreamer	All the coding is done.	20:20
@preaction	perlDreamer, is that the one where the product is added to the cart?	20:23
+perlDreamer	preaction: this is the workflow that checks to see if any product/variant is about to run out of stock.	20:24
@preaction	ah, nice	20:24
+perlDreamer	Indeed.	20:24
+perlDreamer	Especially since we fixed two Workflow bugs while writing the test for it.	20:24
@preaction	what were they? i've been having some workflow problems recently	20:25
@preaction	anything to do with workflow instances disappearing?	20:25
+perlDreamer	No.	20:26
+perlDreamer	It was difficult to create a Workflow instance programmatically	20:26
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7389	20:26
@preaction	ah	20:26
+perlDreamer	The other one was a bug in Inbox/Message.pm	20:26
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7390	20:26
@preaction	durn... looks like i'm still fishing then	20:27
@preaction	but tests++!	20:27
@preaction	also, log4perl is awesome when you have to add tons of logger messages to track down some intermittent bugs	20:29
@perlmonkey2	Hmm, Devel::StackTrace failed to install in Cent5.2 WRE8.4	20:40
@perlmonkey2	cpan search for scalar::list::utils returns List::MoreUtils	20:43
@perlmonkey2	Class::Data::Inheritable appears up to date in my 8.4 WRE for some reason, which is good.	20:43
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lus	can I have the same web server hosting webgui host other software	20:45
lus	can I host another vhost other than another webgui site?	20:46
@preaction	yes	20:47
@preaction	though i wouldn't recommend it	20:47
lus	preaction: I cannot do it	20:48
@preaction	are you using the WRE's apache? there are things missing from it that might be affecting you (since they're not necessary in WebGUI)	20:49
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lus	preaction: I'm using centos, trying to run freeside on it too, behind an ipcop firewall	20:50
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lus	preaction: and Im getting the dansguardian screen - inappropriate content !!??	20:51
@preaction	uh... i don't know what dansguardian is	20:51
@preaction	but it's not WebGUI	20:51
juan	i have enabled mail from a colaboration system	20:51
juan	but the account is a google account	20:51
juan	it works wiith google accounts?	20:52
juan	becuase the smtp and pop port are different	20:53
@preaction	can you set the pop3 port? say: pop.google.com:8000	20:53
juan	and permit stablish ssl connections?	20:54
@preaction	i don't know. try it?	20:55
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+perlDreamer	there has to be a better way to handle database schema changes across upgrades	21:02
+perlDreamer	this is simply nuts	21:02
topsub	In the EMS when i add a ticket and set a date and time, when i add it to the cart it shows a different time. Like 1pm shows up as 18:00:06 in my cart / badge. Is this a bug? both timezones are the same	21:11
+perlDreamer	Sounds like a bug to me.	21:12
topsub	also does the ems allow you to buy 2 tickets that have the same start date?	21:14
topsub	i added a bug report with a screenshot for ya	21:17
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@perlmonkey2	Wow, I've somehow managed to mangle a Mac, Cent5.2, and an F9 WRE install	21:55
@perlmonkey2	I'm just that godo	21:56
@perlmonkey2	good	21:56
ckotil	nice.	21:58
ckotil	Ive botched some wre installs myself	21:58
+perlDreamer	I have never botched a WRE install...	21:58
@perlmonkey2	Somehow though I must have mangled the system as well (although I'm not sure how that is possible using the WRE). Because no matter how many times I blow everything away, make sure, unpack the WRE, 'svn -R revert .', I get the same result.	21:59
@Haarg	it does the same with an automatic install?	22:05
@perlmonkey2	Haven't tried with automatic install. But that would imply something was wrong with [HEAD] so other people should be having this problem.	22:05
@Haarg	well, there's still the log config file	22:06
@Haarg	that's all i can think of at least that the wre does extra	22:07
@perlmonkey2	hmm, here's a new one "proxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /"	22:07
@khenn	Does anyone know what this is doing inside the www_editEventMetaFieldSave method: foreach ('label') {	22:09
@khenn	it is obviously looping over each of the fields	22:09
@khenn	but I can't figure out what the default value is there	22:09
@khenn	or where it's getting it from	22:09
@khenn	presumably it would be from the @_ stack	22:09
@khenn	but that doesn't make sense either	22:09
@khenn	eh	22:09
+perlDreamer	it uses $_ as the loop variable	22:10
@khenn	yeah	22:10
+perlDreamer	and iterates over the loop once, with the value label	22:10
@khenn	I know that	22:10
@khenn	what is it looping over?	22:10
+perlDreamer	'label'	22:11
@khenn	foreach ('label')	22:11
+perlDreamer	yes	22:11
@khenn	that's a string	22:11
+perlDreamer	Just one loop	22:11
+perlDreamer	it's a 1 element array	22:11
@khenn	oh	22:11
@khenn	eh	22:11
@khenn	yeah I get it now	22:11
@khenn	heh	22:11
+perlDreamer	perhaps a copy and paste of similar code from elsewhere?	22:11
@khenn	that's really bad	22:11
@perlmonkey2	what's the point of that?	22:12
@khenn	exactly	22:13
@khenn	it's a foreach loop which iterates over one thing	22:13
@perlmonkey2	and that $thing is a hard coded string.	22:13
@khenn	I thought it might be some weird Perl way of doing something	22:13
* perlmonkey2 double checks to make sure he didn't write it :P		22:13
@khenn	but no, it's just bad code	22:13
+perlDreamer	svn blame never lies	22:13
@khenn	I'm pretty sure I know who did it	22:14
@khenn	=p	22:14
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: so that is your push for GIT, it lies?	22:14
+perlDreamer	No, my push for git is that it's easier to make private branches with version control	22:14
+perlDreamer	and lets me commit offline	22:14
+perlDreamer	but git-svn seems like a good median	22:15
+perlDreamer	I just haven't tried it yet.	22:15
@perlmonkey2	I know, I was just kidding :) and git-svn does seem like a good stop-gap.	22:17
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@perlmonkey2	I just don't get it. The WRE perl's @INC is only looking at the prereq's paths. So system perl modules shouldn't affect it. So how is it that 8.3/4 [HEAD], 7.5.11, and last stable, all fail the same way with mod_proxy going into infinite loops. A networking issue maybe?	22:21
@perlmonkey2	Okay I'm firing myself, I just suck too bad.	22:22
@Haarg	only thing i can imagine doing that would be a messed up mod_proxy config	22:23
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: I just had a glimmer of hope. I always use www.test.com as my test domain, and then set localhost to that in /etc/hosts. But I use local domain caching in my server, which was also hosting a www.test.com instance. So maybe the mac was using dns over /etc/hosts?	22:24
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@Haarg	i wouldn't think so	22:25
@Haarg	what version of the wre are you using?	22:25
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@Haarg	and can you post your site's modperl and modproxy configs somewhere?	22:26
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: tried 8.3 and 4	22:34
@perlmonkey2	sure	22:34
@perlmonkey2	pastebin.com/d44f5974b	22:36
@Haarg	hmm	22:37
@perlmonkey2	thoe should be pretty standard	22:38
@Haarg	try getting rid of those port 80 proxy lines	22:38
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@perlmonkey2	same Max-Forwards issue	22:45
@Haarg	is it even proxying to the modperl server properly?	22:59
@Haarg	check your access logs maybe	22:59
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jlittlewood	Haarg-	23:10
+perlDreamer	Haarg++	23:10
jlittlewood	Haarg- I tried that patch you told me about yesterday, but it didn't seem to work	23:10
jlittlewood	ha\	23:10
jlittlewood	Harrg: 'twas re: getting export tab delimited to do its magic	23:10
@Haarg	yeah	23:10
jlittlewood	sadly the results were not what we were hoping	23:11
@Haarg	are you certain you have Text::CSV_XS updated fully?	23:11
jlittlewood	mm	23:11
jlittlewood	no I am most def not certain of that	23:11
jlittlewood	where does that live?	23:11
@Haarg	well, if you just run testEnvironment it will tell you	23:11
jlittlewood	that does not appear to be installed	23:16
jlittlewood	a key to the puzzle, if there ever was one	23:16
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: I'm working on the DataForm bug (fyi)	00:32
@Haarg	which one?	00:32
@Haarg	validation?	00:33
+perlDreamer	eyah	00:33
+perlDreamer	yeah	00:33
@Haarg	yeah, should be simple. just a boolean check instead of an undef/eq "".	00:33
+perlDreamer	line 1374	00:34
jlittlewood	Haarg: looks like we do have Text::CSV_XS installed	00:34
@Haarg	the correct version?	00:34
@Haarg	also, after using the patch, how does it fail?	00:35
jlittlewood	Checking for module Text::CSV_XS: OK	00:36
jlittlewood	is there more to it than that?	00:36
jlittlewood	it fails by kicking you to the asset url	00:36
@Haarg	check the logs, there might be something in there	00:39
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+perlDreamer	anybody else having problem with autocommit in HEAD?	00:53
@Haarg	no	00:56
@Haarg	what kind of problems are you having?	01:01
+perlDreamer	It won't process the autocommit workflows	01:02
+perlDreamer	2008/09/03 14:41:46 - ERROR - mywebgui.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance 'vMLSkFGtNW0wcMWjtyh5Ow': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 334	01:02
+perlDreamer	since I did a little mucking in there during the WUC, I got very worried	01:02
+perlDreamer	I restarted spectre, it seems to have resolved itself	01:07
+perlDreamer	Nope, it's not resolved.	01:09
+perlDreamer	My patch to Workflow::Instance.pm is causing workflow probelms.	01:09
+perlDreamer	well, I was looking for something to do this afternoon :)	01:09
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+perlDreamer	preaction: still lurking about?	01:29
@preaction	yes	01:29
+perlDreamer	I think my patch to Workflow::Instance is causing those problems	01:29
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@preaction	uhoh	01:29
+perlDreamer	I'm having autocommit problems	01:30
+perlDreamer	when I revert the patch, they go away	01:30
+perlDreamer	the funny thing is that I had to patch it to make creating workflow instances from tests work.	01:31
+perlDreamer	I'm going to revert it in SVN, and then try to figure out what's going on.	01:31
+perlDreamer	at least that way Spectre stuff will work again	01:32
@preaction	i can't see anything wrong, but create() might need the same change	01:33
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+perlDreamer	the thing I don't get is why would you ever pass params from the Workflow Instance to the Activity that's being created?	01:34
+perlDreamer	line 334	01:34
+perlDreamer	Workflow::Activity->new wants an activityId in that slot	01:35
@preaction	eval { WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate($class, $method, [$self->session, $params]) }; <- this line?	01:35
+perlDreamer	yup	01:35
@preaction	this is creating the pass-in object for the activity	01:35
+perlDreamer	Yes	01:35
@preaction	$class is the object type of the pass-in object	01:36
+perlDreamer	yes. the problem field is $params	01:36
+perlDreamer	if you look at W::A->new, the second param is supposed to be the workflow activityId	01:36
@preaction	but... there is no workflow object type of WebGUI::Workflow::Activity?	01:37
+perlDreamer	$className is the class of the activity itself, not the parent?	01:37
+perlDreamer	and they all inherit new from that master class	01:37
@preaction	no, it's the class of the pass-in object	01:37
@preaction	like WebGUI::VersionTag	01:37
@preaction	or WebGUI::User	01:37
@preaction	our activity is instanciated at line 322	01:38
+perlDreamer	okay, let me rewind a sec	01:38
+perlDreamer	then in WebGUI::VersionTag->new, the second param is not the parameters of the Workflow::Instance	01:39
+perlDreamer	it's a versionTagId	01:39
+perlDreamer	oh dear	01:39
@preaction	right, which is why the value of the parameters column is a hashref with a single key, parameters, which contains the actual data	01:40
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CIA-39	WebGUI: Fix a bug where the value 0 wasn't valid when entering	01:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: data into the DataForm.	01:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7400 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting DataForm 0 data value fix	01:46
+perlDreamer	how do I force spectre to run a suspended workflow?	01:48
+perlDreamer	nm, it just keeps retrying	01:48
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@tavisto	hey Patspam	02:13
patspam	hey tavisto	02:13
@tavisto	how goes it?	02:13
patspam	still getting over jet-leg	02:14
patspam	no TV from LAX to sydney.. united airlines are tightarses!	02:14
@tavisto	gah.. no good	02:15
@tavisto	yeah I always try to fly NWA and when I go over to europe I am definitely going with KLM	02:16
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@tavisto	well it was great meeting you at the WUC this year. Great to have the face to put with the IRC name.	02:16
patspam	yeah likewise, was so awesome to meet all you guys at the WUC	02:16
@tavisto	you'll be happy to know that next year we're going to try and work the IRC names into the namebadges :)	02:16
patspam	heh that will help	02:17
patspam	and the year after that we can have avatars	02:17
SynQ2	ok sleepy time	02:20
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@tavisto	hehe	02:21
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+cap10morgan	when using ldap w/ webgui, how do you specify the "search base"?	04:29
elnino	hi. I'm missing the group "registered users" for some reason. Is this bad =) can I just create it? or is there a way to recover it? what is the default ID?	04:29
+cap10morgan	I tried putting /dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org on the end of my LDAP URL, but i get Invalid DN then	04:30
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@preaction	elnino_laptop, the group can't be deleted, but it also doesn't show up in some group select boxes (since all users are automatically part of the Registered Users group)	04:35
elnino_laptop	it's not even displaying when I go into admin._ groups.	04:35
elnino_laptop	WEIRD	04:35
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elnino_laptop	I manually created a user, and I couldn't add them to the "registered group" I"m running 7.4.40.	04:36
elnino_laptop	I should be able to see it in those two places, right?	04:36
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@tavisto	I think because maybe it's already in the group?	04:37
elnino_laptop	I'm sorry, I must have been dreaming. I thought for sure I saw the group on my other site in the admin area. So then the question arises, how to you email the group "registered users" if it isn't listed in admin->groups?	04:39
@tavisto	well I'm not for certain but that was my late night guess :)	04:39
@perlmonkey2	Ernisto is the guy who did the Debian release, rigth?	04:40
@tavisto	yep it's Ernesto	04:40
@perlmonkey2	tavisto: Any luck with SCT :P	04:40
@perlmonkey2	Hmm, I need to get a debian vm running with his package to see how he did a lot of things. Looking at the Fedora packaging guidelines now and it doesn't look too bad.	04:41
@tavisto	sct?	04:43
elnino_laptop	I'm trying to get email sent out from webgui, and my client is using gmail as the smtp server. I have ssmtp setup to point to the google servers, so do I just put localhost in webgui's settings?	04:44
@preaction	elnino_laptop, sendmail on the localhost is acting as a smart relay to google? then yes	04:44
elnino_laptop	yes. So Good. Thanks!	04:45
elnino_laptop	So then my other question remains. how do I send an email to the group "registered users" if it isn't listed under admin -> groups? hmmm...	04:45
@preaction	it seems you dont. but you could, say, make a new group, and then add the "Registered Users" group to that group, then send a message to that new group	04:48
@preaction	that might work	04:48
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elnino_laptop	it worked! Thanks!	04:58
elnino_laptop	I'll create a wiki for that.	04:59
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CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7401 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added datatable installer. fixed some bugs. finished i18n	05:32
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@tavisto	perlmonkey2, well if at some point in the future you want to work on the fedora stuff... I have some emails I can forward you to all of the best resources to get started. We do have someone from the community who offered to do it previously. JT contacted him and he said to give him a few weeks	06:11
@rizen	tavis i don't know if you watched the rnc tonight,b ut if you did you have to be happy about the palin and gulliani speeches	06:15
@rizen	they were both very good speakers	06:16
@tavisto	nope, I've been researching getting started areas and recovering from this brutal deep tissue massage I got on my spine earlier	06:19
@tavisto	rizen, I am glad to hear they were good. I plan to watch them of course.	06:19
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elnino	ok. i'm confused. I have two sites. both are 7.4.40. One has a Newsletter asset the other doesnt. So I added "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter" thinking that would do it, but it doesn't. The one that has newsletter was build from 7.3.xx so maybe it's an old asset from back then?	06:50
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elnino	I see that Newsletter.pm is in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration. so maybe I'm missing a step.	06:53
elnino	tried clearing cache	06:57
+perlDreamer	elnino, check the config file?	06:58
elnino	yep, that's where I added the Collaboratoin::Newsletter to the site that didn't have one. And restarted the services.	06:58
elnino	the default webgui didn't have it either.	06:58
+perlDreamer	WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter	06:59
elnino	yep. that's what I got. I"ll triple check	07:00
+perlDreamer	I'll see if I can set up one, too	07:00
elnino	case and spelling correct too.	07:01
+perlDreamer	(kathy says hi)	07:01
elnino	I hope I'm not doing soething dumb.	07:01
elnino	Hi Kathy!	07:01
elnino	It was nice meeting her!	07:01
elnino	comma is in the correct place too.	07:02
+perlDreamer	Okay, I added this to my config file	07:03
+perlDreamer	"WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter",	07:03
+perlDreamer	to the assets section	07:03
+perlDreamer	restarted WebGUI	07:03
elnino	yep.	07:03
elnino	yep	07:03
+perlDreamer	and it showed up in my Admin Bar	07:03
+perlDreamer	and I was able to add one to the site	07:03
elnino	grrr.	07:03
+perlDreamer	log file?	07:03
elnino	I was looking. didn't see anythign, but now. oh. bad day. why is this back?	07:04
elnino	where would wre's apache files be?	07:06
+perlDreamer	/data/wre/logs?	07:06
* perlDreamer is not a WRE user		07:07
elnino	sorry, the conf file.	07:07
+perlDreamer	no idea	07:07
+perlDreamer	using SVN commands, how do you revert an earlier change to a file?	07:12
elnino	I don't know, but newletter showed up!!!	07:14
+perlDreamer	awesome!	07:14
elnino	I shut down everythign and noticed some orphan wre https so I killed them all. and restarted! YEAH!	07:15
elnino	I think I learned that trick from you or preaction.	07:15
elnino	thanks!	07:15
+perlDreamer	I think it was preaction	07:15
+perlDreamer	oh to do a revert: svn merge -c -versionNum https://repo	07:16
+perlDreamer	the key is the negative version num	07:16
elnino	or maybe perlmonkey. I don't know you all are equally helpful. So how DO I transfer karma to you guys?	07:16
+perlDreamer	Good question.	07:16
+perlDreamer	You go here: http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma	07:17
+perlDreamer	and use the form on the right	07:17
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elnino	oh. I didn't see that there, I must not have been logged in at the time. Thanks! karma coming! Have a good night!	07:20
elnino	preaction what is your username on webgui.org?	07:20
+perlDreamer	He is DBell	07:21
elnino	Thanks!	07:21
elnino	good night.	07:22
+perlDreamer	good night, elnino	07:22
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elnino	oh.. I was going to ask, Is there a way to display the registratoin form inline on another page i have in webgui?	07:37
+perlDreamer	maybe the HTTP proxy asset	07:38
+perlDreamer	aside from that, I'm not sure	07:38
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7402 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: rolling back 7389, since it seems to be causing problems with spectre	07:46
elnino	I was wondering about that..but it displays the deisng too. I'll see if I can cut the design off.	07:46
+perlDreamer	elnino, thank you very much for the karma, I threw in an RFE for a bonus.	08:00
+perlDreamer	We'll see if rizen says that I can commit it for 7.6	08:01
+perlDreamer	'night!	08:01
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patspam	great to see the karma economy at work	08:22
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BartJol	morning	15:19
@khenn	morning	15:22
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BartJol	mmm after adding a subscription to a cart, you can't see the cart ?shop=cart doesn't seem to work	16:20
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@bopbop	good morning	16:38
BartJol	hi	16:38
@khenn	morning	16:38
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@rizen	BartJol: i believe that's a bug in the current version that has already been fixed in the version that's going out today	16:41
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BartJol	ah	16:44
BartJol	nice to know, I was looking whether it was a bug...	16:45
BartJol	well, that is some relieve, thanks	16:45
@perlmonkey2	anyone have a link to the JT phenom video with the street interviews and news reporters?	17:08
@rizen	it's linked in the black blog	17:08
@perlmonkey2	oh, hah, missed that	17:09
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BartJol	JT venom video?	17:17
@rizen	phenom not venom	17:17
BartJol	no fangs? too bad...	17:19
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@rizen	that would have been at the town hall meeting where i went off on koen	17:21
SDuensin	Greetings.	17:22
@perlmonkey2	You went off on Koen? Do we get to hear the details of the drama?	17:28
BartJol	Koen's still in shock...	17:30
BartJol	which means that he keeps talking	17:30
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@bopbop	I enjoyed the part where lightning bolts shot out of JT's head	17:39
@bopbop	there was also the pulsing vein	17:39
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+perlDreamer	preaction: what does pagination.range do?	18:20
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@preaction	perlDreamer, shows the number of records in the page, so "start-end"	18:21
+perlDreamer	Cool. Thanks.	18:21
SDuensin	Whoa. perlDreamer didn't know something?	18:25
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, that's only the tip of what I don't know. Just ask my wife ;)	18:26
SDuensin	hehehehe	18:26
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topsub	anyone good with the yui grid?	18:48
+perlDreamer	nope, sorry topsub	18:49
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+perlDreamer	Is anyone else allowed to post on the new templates discussion board?	19:04
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topsub	Nope	19:31
topsub	or if i am i don't know about it	19:31
+perlDreamer	Huh, from a dev board posting, I guess it's private.	19:42
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7403 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm: RFE: add a back to site link to the account option list	20:34
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7404 /branch/colin-experimental/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): add a starting index to the asset class iterator	20:34
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7405 /branch/colin-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): RFE: product quantity checking workflow with test and i18n	20:34
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7406 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: add i18n for the pagination.range template variable	20:34
@perlmonkey2	Do we use any other OO method than Class::InsideOut?	20:35
+perlDreamer	Just standard perl5 OO	20:35
@perlmonkey2	blessed hashes/	20:35
+perlDreamer	yawp	20:36
+perlDreamer	Why do you ask?	20:36
@perlmonkey2	I need to iterate through my anon objects and that is about impossible without typing out every member name in Class::IO	20:36
@perlmonkey2	object members I mean	20:36
BartJol	joohoo, I am not totally incapable for everything!	20:36
BartJol	hee, colin, making more work for me I see	20:37
@perlmonkey2	the JSON collateral will be loaded into objects which needed to be able to interate through their members without me typing out every single one. Else I'd have 400 lines of code of just encoding/decoding json :P	20:37
+perlDreamer	BartJol: Just saving the world through proper i18n	20:37
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: Assets will not be Class::InsideOut for a while	20:37
+perlDreamer	does that help?	20:38
BartJol	you superhero	20:38
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: were you asking me if that helped or bart?	20:38
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: you	20:38
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: yes, definetely	20:39
+perlDreamer	excellent	20:39
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+cap10morgan	here's a strange one. spectre is getting 502 proxy error from a bunch of my sites, but when i curl http://www.site.org:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData from the same host, it works just fine	20:52
+cap10morgan	any idea what that's about?	20:53
@rizen	perlDreamer: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/view-profile/2	21:11
@rizen	why so vague?	21:11
@rizen	is it commited or not?	21:11
@rizen	why "ready a commit"	21:11
+perlDreamer	rizen: In the past I've always let you know when it is done. then you say when it's okay to commit it or not.	21:24
@rizen	it's a bug fix	21:25
@rizen	it's not an rfe	21:25
@rizen	fix bugs and get them in as quickly as possible	21:25
+perlDreamer	I'll commit it now :)	21:25
@rizen	if we need to fix your fix we'll do it	21:25
+perlDreamer	rizen, it's not a bug, it's an rfe	21:26
@rizen	it's got a bug url	21:26
@rizen	how did that happen	21:26
+perlDreamer	Must have been a bug that was moved off of the bug board into the RFE	21:26
@rizen	commit	21:27
+perlDreamer	committed	21:30
@rizen	you rock	21:31
@Haarg	hrm	21:36
@Haarg	thing with no fields becomes nicely busted	21:36
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metanil	how to get the ipaddress of particular session?? (sth like $self->session->ipAddress??)	21:44
+perlDreamer	metanil: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Env	21:44
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7407 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm): add a return to site link in account options	21:49
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zylopfa	Greetings all	21:55
+perlDreamer	howdy	21:55
zylopfa	Can i ask a little question about warnings in my logs?	21:56
+perlDreamer	sure!	21:56
+perlDreamer	If you have lots of them, please use a paste site	21:56
zylopfa	Its on 1 site only :D Its the warning: The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.	21:56
zylopfa	WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785] - The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.	21:57
zylopfa	thats the whole liek	21:57
zylopfa	line	21:57
+perlDreamer	It says "*" <- asterisk ?	21:57
zylopfa	yeah	21:57
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+perlDreamer	I'd say that someone typed in the wrong URL	21:57
zylopfa	I am suspecting maybe some workflow	21:57
zylopfa	ohh	21:57
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+perlDreamer	* is not a legal URL character	21:58
+perlDreamer	it would be filtered out when the asset is created	21:58
miloidrr	perlDreamer hi	21:58
+perlDreamer	howdy, miloidrr	21:58
miloidrr	I want to show you my new webgui site	21:58
miloidrr	www.rockemite.fm	21:58
zylopfa	Will take a look :D	21:58
+perlDreamer	Oh, yes. I know that y'all have been working on that for a while.	21:58
+perlDreamer	Is it all done now?	21:58
zylopfa	perlDreamer, it seems like its whenever i view the sites main page. But how can urls be wrong when its the correct url to the site :O	21:59
+perlDreamer	zylopfa: Are there any macros on the page?	22:00
miloidrr	Yer perlDreamer, the site has an radiostation create by the users, all by webgui	22:00
miloidrr	as youtube	22:00
+perlDreamer	nice :)	22:00
zylopfa	Hmm no macros perlDreamer	22:03
zylopfa	Do you know what the number mean: WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785]	22:03
zylopfa	the 1785	22:03
+perlDreamer	that's the line in the file	22:03
+perlDreamer	WebGUI/Asset.pm, line 1785	22:04
zylopfa	lol ohh ofc	22:04
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, here's a few things to try.	22:04
+perlDreamer	in etc/log.conf, change the level to DEBUG and restart the webservers	22:04
+perlDreamer	then reload the home page and see if it tells you more	22:04
+perlDreamer	miloidrr, so you must have solved your XML from Collaboration System problem to make the radio station work?	22:05
miloidrr	Im has solved this problem	22:06
zylopfa	Thanks a lot perlDreamer	22:07
zylopfa	Maybe its something with language support files, as i run visitor users in Danish language	22:07
+perlDreamer	That would be an easy problem, zylopfa.	22:07
zylopfa	yeah	22:08
+perlDreamer	the only thing I can think of is somewhere on your front page is a piece of code trying to look up an asset by the URL *	22:08
+perlDreamer	what's the URL?	22:08
zylopfa	http://www.dorthediness.dk/	22:09
+perlDreamer	in the db, does "SELECT assetId from assetData where url='*'; return anything?	22:10
zylopfa	none at all	22:10
+perlDreamer	Is this site in development, or is it live?	22:11
zylopfa	its live	22:11
zylopfa	I am hosting 6 sites atm on the installation	22:11
+perlDreamer	everything works as expected? No missing or broken elements?	22:12
zylopfa	yeah it all work	22:12
zylopfa	its after upgrade it happend	22:12
zylopfa	from 4.20 to the newest	22:12
+perlDreamer	4.20?	22:12
+perlDreamer	WebGUI 4.20?	22:12
+perlDreamer	surely you mean 7.4.20?	22:13
zylopfa	yeah sorry	22:13
+perlDreamer	I need to head to an appointment. I'll be back on later. Keep plugging away, zylopfa.	22:14
+perlDreamer	Maybe you could persuade BartJol to look at it, too.	22:14
zylopfa	Thanks a lot and thanks for help	22:14
zylopfa	the debut thing is real good, insane much you can see	22:14
zylopfa	all the queries and stuff	22:14
+perlDreamer	yeah, sometimes too much	22:14
zylopfa	indeed	22:14
zylopfa	haha this is strange, the good log told me a query of:	22:19
zylopfa	select asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 1	22:19
zylopfa	with '*' as the placeholder url	22:19
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BartJol	oh zylopfa sorry, I mist a bit	22:43
zylopfa	Ahh its ok, i am just getting tons of warnings on my site	22:43
zylopfa	The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.	22:43
zylopfa	I dont know what makes these	22:44
zylopfa	but i put debug in the logging facility	22:44
zylopfa	and it is make a sql query like this:	22:44
zylopfa	select asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 1	22:45
zylopfa	with '*' as the placeholder	22:45
zylopfa	dont know what wobject / asset etc. that make that query	22:45
zylopfa	HAHA I found it I think	22:48
zylopfa	I was tailing the access log	22:48
BartJol	oh, was just getting to look	22:48
zylopfa	And i can see	22:48
zylopfa	OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)	22:48
BartJol	suspension...	22:48
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BartJol	never seen that one	22:49
zylopfa	So it must be the LDAP thing	22:49
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BartJol	ah	22:49
zylopfa	that think it has to do something	22:49
zylopfa	so i am gonna check if some ldap things are mistakenly set on	22:50
BartJol	ok will be around	22:50
zylopfa	Thanks a lot friend	22:50
BartJol	didn't do anything yet :)	22:51
zylopfa	I have found something more	22:52
zylopfa	I was in LDAP connections in admin	22:52
zylopfa	Default LDAP Connection:Invalid	22:52
zylopfa	I dont use anything with LDAP but maybe its trying something	22:52
BartJol	gonna have a look	22:53
zylopfa	Its the Visitor user	22:53
zylopfa	that is the user noted in the logs	22:53
zylopfa	and it says: (internal dummy connection)	22:54
BartJol	does the visitor use ldap authentication?	22:56
BartJol	my grep on the error message is working	22:56
zylopfa	No, LDAP auth is disabled from the site not even login possibilities	22:56
zylopfa	I tried to delete the ldap link	22:57
zylopfa	the default one	22:57
BartJol	ah, maybe you just have that as it was	22:57
zylopfa	I am watching the log in awe, to see if the Warning comes again	22:57
miloidrr	perlDreamer hi again	22:57
miloidrr	I need create a glosary of words	22:58
BartJol	I think he's gone right now	22:58
zylopfa	yeah hes out atm	22:58
zylopfa	damn it	22:58
zylopfa	::1 - Visitor [04/Sep/2008:21:36:08 +0200] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)"	22:58
zylopfa	What is an internal dummy connection?	22:58
miloidrr	What is the best to make it?	22:58
BartJol	I think it's ldap://ldap.mycompany.com:389/o=MyCompany	22:59
zylopfa	It happens the same time in the log when i get the "The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree." warning	22:59
zylopfa	I am trying to isolate what makes the sql statement	22:59
zylopfa	where the url is set to *	22:59
BartJol	no internal dummy connection found...	23:00
BartJol	it's i n asset .pm	23:00
BartJol	:)	23:01
@Haarg	it's something related to using apache 2.2	23:02
zylopfa	So its intended?	23:02
@Haarg	yeah	23:02
@Haarg	it's an internal part of apache	23:03
zylopfa	Maybe its spectre polling the webserver?	23:03
zylopfa	ahhh ok	23:03
@Haarg	you could probably make a rewrite rule to ignore it so it wouldn't show up in the webgui logs	23:03
zylopfa	I might take LOG WARN off then its every minute or so i get 10 lines of warnings	23:03
zylopfa	ahh good idea	23:03
@Haarg	RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.internal\ dummy\ connection.$ [NC]	23:04
@Haarg	RewriteRule . - [L]	23:04
zylopfa	Its only one of the sites i host that make it	23:05
@Haarg	or something similar	23:05
zylopfa	thanks a lot	23:05
BartJol	miloidrr: sorry, your glossary?	23:06
zylopfa	Like a "page" with words and their meaning?	23:06
zylopfa	I'd use the collaboration system and modify the "link list" template	23:07
zylopfa	(Collaboration System Template)	23:07
zylopfa	The Collaboration system is genius cause many things users have to make themselves they format wrongly	23:09
zylopfa	with collaboration system you can just tell them to input things and then it show as you indended it to	23:09
BartJol	with articles you have to rearrange them	23:10
zylopfa	Yeah	23:10
+perlDreamer	miloidrr, I think the DataForm	23:11
BartJol	with drag and drop, that won't have to be that bad	23:11
+perlDreamer	Tell it to view the table/list by default	23:11
zylopfa	Propably best with dataform	23:12
zylopfa	No wait	23:12
zylopfa	I think its best with collaboration system	23:12
zylopfa	as you can sort it by title, which is the same as the Words in your glosary	23:12
zylopfa	http://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home <- the left menu bar is made with collaboration system	23:13
zylopfa	And by tweaking the template just a bit you can have a glossary system instead of a linklist	23:14
zylopfa	its the same data nearly	23:14
zylopfa	Title, description	23:14
zylopfa	and you can sort it on title	23:14
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zylopfa	and also use the paginator feature if your glossary is more than n entries long	23:15
wgGuest10	hello everyone	23:15
BartJol	hi	23:15
zylopfa	Greetings wgGuest10	23:15
+perlDreamer	how about a Thingy?	23:16
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zylopfa	Its to much for only something which have a title and a description imo	23:16
zylopfa	the collaboration system have all things needed also	23:16
+perlDreamer	yeah, that's why I was thinking DataForm	23:16
zylopfa	yeah propably more lightweight than collaboration sys also	23:16
BartJol	I have it: snippets!	23:16
zylopfa	ahhaha nooo	23:16
BartJol	:)	23:16
zylopfa	It must be somewhat automagical	23:17
wgGuest10	ok, i'm either wanting to be really stupid today, or i've looked at this computer too long. can webgui except flash and other programs?	23:17
BartJol	it can actually	23:17
zylopfa	yeah wgGuest10	23:17
+perlDreamer	wgGuest10: WebGUI can upload and download flash, but playing flash is different	23:17
+perlDreamer	you need an embedded flash player for that	23:17
zylopfa	its nothing to do with the webgui	23:17
BartJol	well, there is a flash player in the rich editor	23:17
zylopfa	flash is played on your browser, webgui can serve the files yes	23:17
wgGuest10	can i load my existing webist onto webgui	23:18
BartJol	but it's a bit picky on what kinda	23:18
wgGuest10	website*	23:18
+perlDreamer	wgGuest10, yes.	23:18
zylopfa	miloidrr are you still with us?	23:18
+perlDreamer	Look in the Bazaar section on www.webgui.org	23:18
wgGuest10	ok thanks	23:19
+perlDreamer	my turn for asking questions: I want to build a site where the gatewayUrl is /webgui. How do I configure Apache to do that?	23:19
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zylopfa	what do you mean with gateway url?	23:20
zylopfa	the default start url?	23:20
+perlDreamer	it's a config file option	23:20
zylopfa	like normal /home?	23:20
zylopfa	ohh	23:20
BartJol	but you can set your homepage right?	23:22
zylopfa	cant it just be set in the config file like oyu say?	23:23
zylopfa	"gateway" : "/",	23:23
+perlDreamer	yes	23:23
zylopfa	"gateway" : "/webgui",	23:23
+perlDreamer	but I think Apache needs some config as well	23:23
+perlDreamer	maybe not	23:23
zylopfa	hmm	23:23
+perlDreamer	I should just try it :)	23:23
zylopfa	I hope not	23:23
zylopfa	yeah i think so	23:23
zylopfa	Does anyone know a good way for multi language sites?	23:24
zylopfa	I saw Koen had a question about it long ago on the forums but no answer	23:24
+perlDreamer	it's hard to do multisite on WebGUI	23:24
zylopfa	ahh	23:24
+perlDreamer	Most people will build a separate branch on the site	23:25
+perlDreamer	then make a package of the main site and deploy it on the side branch	23:25
+perlDreamer	then translate it	23:25
zylopfa	Sometimes i just thing i make http://en.titlandata.dk	23:25
zylopfa	and copy the site in danish to the new one	23:25
+perlDreamer	yup	23:25
zylopfa	I was thinking of just copinging the entire db and site branches to another site	23:25
zylopfa	as they are in 2 different databases anyway it should work	23:26
+perlDreamer	no need to do that, you can use a Redirect URL to just go to the other branch.	23:26
zylopfa	But the maintainence is 2 sited	23:26
zylopfa	yeah i could make a branch also	23:26
zylopfa	instead of subdomaing for 2 different sites	23:27
zylopfa	Makes more sense to keep it on 1 site also	23:27
zylopfa	then you can reuse content elements	23:27
+perlDreamer	yes, same user database, groups, lots of good reasons	23:27
zylopfa	yeah ofc	23:27
zylopfa	lol its a damn mess i'd have made	23:27
zylopfa	thanks for clearing it with me	23:27
zylopfa	Else it would be an endless syncronisation between them	23:28
zylopfa	perlDreamer,	23:28
zylopfa	I have a good idea i think	23:28
+perlDreamer	What is it?	23:28
zylopfa	Mostly you have text inside the Articles right?	23:28
+perlDreamer	yes	23:29
zylopfa	Damn that wont work	23:29
zylopfa	I was gonna make a macro to get the english text from a database	23:29
zylopfa	taking the asset id	23:29
zylopfa	but its not good	23:29
zylopfa	cause text sould be entered into the asset	23:29
+perlDreamer	I wonder if there are RFEs with good ideas in them for that?	23:30
zylopfa	yeah	23:30
zylopfa	Or maybe you could make a new Article asset	23:30
zylopfa	that was the same as the old	23:30
zylopfa	but with "Language" selector	23:30
zylopfa	so you could put different texts for different languages	23:31
zylopfa	Ohh i know	23:31
+perlDreamer	if you did it with JSON, it would make it easier than doing different db columns for each languages	23:31
zylopfa	The defailt bars is:	23:31
zylopfa	Properties, Dispaly, Security, Metadata	23:31
zylopfa	right	23:31
zylopfa	but then you could have additional bars for other languages	23:31
zylopfa	perhaps sub bars under display	23:32
zylopfa	Under properties i mean	23:32
zylopfa	but it might be to cluttered	23:32
+perlDreamer	yeah	23:32
+perlDreamer	after 4-5 languages it would be bad	23:32
zylopfa	True	23:32
zylopfa	I wonder how it could be done best	23:33
+perlDreamer	I liked your language selector idea	23:33
BartJol	languages...	23:33
BartJol	Garbish is all you need right	23:34
zylopfa	I am making my business site to english also	23:34
zylopfa	so i have thought a bit about it	23:34
zylopfa	The i18n is good but its only for internal stuff	23:35
BartJol	yeah, but your always stuck with a human translation	23:35
zylopfa	and the text for the assets themselves, not their content	23:35
zylopfa	ahah true BartJol	23:35
zylopfa	The danish translationi s only 2% done	23:35
BartJol	well	23:35
zylopfa	I am working on it step by step	23:35
BartJol	good job	23:36
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, you need to hire some college students to help you out, or something	23:36
+perlDreamer	it's a lot to translate	23:36
zylopfa	yeah i need it	23:36
BartJol	and one day, one glorious day, you will get a 100% translated, my child	23:36
zylopfa	Also i need some good translations for things that arent in danish	23:36
zylopfa	yeah!!	23:36
* perlDreamer bows to BartJol		23:37
BartJol	get up	23:37
+perlDreamer	Oh Great Translator, shower us with your i18n wisdom and knowledge	23:37
BartJol	mmm, are you making fun of me?	23:37
zylopfa	Is the maintainers of the different assets fast to change the labels?	23:37
+perlDreamer	Oh yes	23:37
BartJol	they do	23:37
zylopfa	then it can be hard to maintain the other language set of it	23:38
BartJol	so it's like garden or woman maintenance, it will never stop	23:38
zylopfa	ahah yeah	23:38
+perlDreamer	which assets are you talking about, zylopfa?	23:38
zylopfa	Just all of the Wobjects	23:38
zylopfa	and macros	23:38
+perlDreamer	and the operations	23:38
+perlDreamer	and the workflows	23:38
zylopfa	ahah yeah	23:38
zylopfa	inde admin interface ++	23:39
BartJol	and more	23:39
+perlDreamer	any label that you want changed, just submit a bug for it	23:39
+perlDreamer	it usually gets fixed the same day	23:39
+perlDreamer	but	23:39
zylopfa	I change it myself in the i18n.webgui.org	23:39
BartJol	you can't change the english	23:39
zylopfa	ahh thats true	23:39
+perlDreamer	yeah, for changing english, submit a bug	23:39
+perlDreamer	for another language, i18n.webgui.org	23:39
zylopfa	Not so many problems with the english one	23:39
zylopfa	just hard to follow up if the designers change some labels a lot	23:40
zylopfa	then the other translations will have to file new ones	23:40
BartJol	yeah well thosde ar checked quite some times	23:40
zylopfa	ahh	23:40
BartJol	mostly there are only major translations with new assets or revisions of them	23:41
zylopfa	I am gonna make "Multilanguage Article" project	23:41
BartJol	as on operation?	23:41
zylopfa	it will ofc inherit all Article operations	23:41
zylopfa	and i will ad my own language stuff	23:41
BartJol	sounds cool, but not straightforward	23:42
BartJol	new? WebGUI hacker here I see	23:42
zylopfa	It will be a Wobject	23:42
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zylopfa	I have worked with webgui for some years	23:42
BartJol	ah	23:42
BartJol	good	23:42
zylopfa	but its after i made a company to make websites and designs i realy got into it	23:42
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zylopfa	http://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home is my site for the company, its under development	23:43
zylopfa	so its on a test domain	23:43
BartJol	I can almost read it :)	23:43
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zylopfa	ahah nice	23:43
zylopfa	can you see the "ticker " on the top?	23:44
zylopfa	its a news bar	23:44
BartJol	I do	23:44
zylopfa	and its taken from a collaboration system asset	23:44
zylopfa	so i can easy add new news	23:44
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BartJol	ah, we have that on a site somewhere	23:44
zylopfa	I love the collaboration system	23:45
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BartJol	you make a kinda sql report and put it into a javascript	23:45
BartJol	but that's old	23:45
zylopfa	I made a macro for it	23:45
BartJol	cool	23:45
zylopfa	I am also playing with the Thingy now	23:46
zylopfa	on a dream diary site	23:46
BartJol	oh cool	23:46
zylopfa	Only thing with thingy is that you cant "own" the records you enter	23:46
BartJol	and you can connects through dreams>	23:46
zylopfa	ahah yeah :D	23:46
BartJol	that be cool	23:46
zylopfa	I am making sql reports from the thingie	23:47
doc777	Hello everyone. Sorry to interrupt... Can anyone tell me a sqlquery to select new user accounts over the last 24 hours? I see the dateCreated field is an (int) and not a time stamp...	23:47
zylopfa	but its not so safe	23:47
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BartJol	it's an epoch time	23:47
zylopfa	cause if the records are not owned by anyone	23:47
BartJol	so that's an int	23:47
zylopfa	doc777, a moment i shoe you	23:47
doc777	Thank you, confused ;)	23:47
+perlDreamer	select userId,username from users where time-dateCreated < 246060;	23:48
+perlDreamer	something like that	23:48
BartJol	and in an sql statement you can ask for at as a normal datestamp format	23:48
BartJol	84600?	23:48
BartJol	86400?	23:48
BartJol	last one	23:49
doc777	testing that ;)	23:49
+perlDreamer	perlbot: 246060	23:50
+perlDreamer	perlbot: help	23:50
perlbot	(fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip)	23:50
+perlDreamer	perlbot: math 246060	23:50
perlbot	86400	23:50
doc777	unknown column time in where....	23:50
zylopfa	doc i am on it	23:51
zylopfa	SECOND	23:51
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7408 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm: updating POD for Session/Url to talk about gateway URL	23:52
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7409 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): continue link from message on login did not look at gateway url	23:52
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7410 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): backporting auth continue link from HEAD	23:52
BartJol	UNIX_TIMESTAMP	23:52
+perlDreamer	select userId,username from users where unix_timestamp()-dateCreated < 86400;	23:52
zylopfa	select users.userId, users.username, users.status, users.dateCreated, users.lastUpdated from users	23:53
zylopfa	where (UNIX_TIMESTAMP(now())- users.dateCreated)< 86400 order by users.dateCreated	23:53
zylopfa	thats the way ^	23:53
doc777	Both work, thank you! That had me scratchin my head a bit there....	23:54
zylopfa	ahah ok	23:54
miloidrr	Zylopfa, im here again	23:54
zylopfa	Awesome did you figure it out?	23:54
zylopfa	the glossary	23:54
miloidrr	I need to create a glossary to my site	23:55
zylopfa	yeah i can easy help you	23:55
miloidrr	I think that i can do it with a cs	23:55
BartJol	doc777, it depends what you want to show, but status and userId may not have to be selected, only the ones you use	23:55
zylopfa	cs is very good for it	23:56
BartJol	zylopha no offends meant	23:56
zylopfa	and it will be sorted for title whis is your word in the glossary	23:56
zylopfa	no offence taken BartJol	23:56
BartJol	:)	23:56
BartJol	yee, my english is slowing down again	23:57
doc777	we added a "how did you find us" question when registering on the site and would like a report generated on it. So looks like we have to pull the new users then query the profile data to get that field. So it is a work in progress ;)	23:57
miloidrr	Tks zylopfa	23:57
zylopfa	no problem	23:58
miloidrr	Im goin to do in a cs	23:58
zylopfa	i can help you with the template, but I took the link list or faq one and modified it	23:58
miloidrr	Tks zylopfa	23:58
zylopfa	or rather copied it to my template directory for the site and edited it there :D	23:58
zylopfa	Any time	23:59
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+perlDreamer	all right	00:07
+perlDreamer	Who is flooding the bug board?	00:07
* Haarg raises hand		00:09
+perlDreamer	He who floods, must fix!	00:10
@Haarg	yeah, i'll probably be fixing most of what i posted	00:10
@Haarg	i just don't want to forget	00:10
@Haarg	i have tons of other stuff floating around to take care of	00:10
+perlDreamer	Yeah, the WUC put us all behind.	00:11
+perlDreamer	but it was fun :)	00:11
@Haarg	wasn't just the wuc	00:11
+perlDreamer	even though Martin's laptop did take a beating	00:11
@Haarg	even before that i had large things scheduled for this week	00:11
zylopfa	perlDreamer, the Article with more languages in the content. we spoke of	00:13
+perlDreamer	yes, zylopfa?	00:13
zylopfa	I am making it as a normal article but in the bottom of properties	00:13
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zylopfa	i make a field	00:13
zylopfa	Whats Next?: "Add a language"	00:14
zylopfa	and from there you can as as many as you want	00:14
zylopfa	like its done in the Survey asset	00:14
zylopfa	its with questions	00:14
+perlDreamer	Cool	00:14
zylopfa	but i just make it with languages	00:14
BartJol	well if you can make "sister articles", you may even get nortification that you changed one but not the other	00:15
zylopfa	ahh yeah	00:15
zylopfa	1 have to be the "main" language article	00:16
zylopfa	and under that is the translations to the languages	00:16
zylopfa	It will be fun to make it	00:16
BartJol	It would	00:16
BartJol	at would take some time to do it properly	00:16
zylopfa	yeah	00:17
zylopfa	it will have to be inherriting all from Article also	00:17
zylopfa	BartJol, are there any good ways to tell what language you are from?	00:18
zylopfa	As visitor user i mean	00:18
BartJol	like ip based you mean?	00:18
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zylopfa	But its not certain you are from that country	00:18
BartJol	no	00:18
zylopfa	maybe from the browsers header things	00:19
zylopfa	the useragent one	00:19
BartJol	that might be	00:19
zylopfa	but what the heck	00:19
zylopfa	they can select language on the site	00:19
BartJol	it should be optional, seems like a slowing feature	00:19
zylopfa	and then its saved in the session table	00:19
zylopfa	that should be the main way to keep track	00:20
zylopfa	to save it with user session stuff	00:20
zylopfa	when the user press the language button on the site	00:20
BartJol	you can do that with branches	00:20
BartJol	webgui language is a bit harder	00:21
zylopfa	yeah but i dont want it to branch	00:21
zylopfa	it shall be seamless	00:21
BartJol	I'm curious	00:21
zylopfa	thats why i make the articles content in more languages when you create the article	00:21
zylopfa	you can choose that yourself	00:21
zylopfa	"Add A new Language to this article"	00:22
zylopfa	and then you are displayed with a new form that look like the normal article	00:22
BartJol	well, maybe there already is a rfe for it	00:22
zylopfa	where you choose the language	00:22
zylopfa	BartJol, yeah there might be	00:22
zylopfa	It has to be site wide also, so all other assets will have to have it in	00:23
zylopfa	so it propablt not good to make it for Articles only	00:23
BartJol	nope	00:23
zylopfa	For wobjects then	00:23
zylopfa	but the assets still have to know the language stuff	00:23
BartJol	well, I can't estimate how much work would be involved	00:24
zylopfa	so much has to be made different	00:24
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zylopfa	Maybe its overkill to make	00:24
BartJol	also hard to couple wobject languages to session	00:24
zylopfa	yeah	00:24
BartJol	if you can make it, put it on the bazaar	00:25
zylopfa	Does other CMS systems have the feature?	00:25
BartJol	if it is pluggable	00:25
zylopfa	yeah	00:25
BartJol	dunno actually	00:25
zylopfa	The reason i choose webgui was that it was perl based	00:25
zylopfa	google: perl cms	00:26
zylopfa	then i took it from there	00:26
zylopfa	I hate the way many program in php	00:26
zylopfa	its always text and code mixed	00:26
zylopfa	and a million includes	00:26
zylopfa	atleast last time i read some php code	00:26
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BartJol	going to bed...	00:32
BartJol	nigthy nigth	00:32
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Lisette	hello how to do a sql report with parameters?	01:46
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patspam	morning team	01:50
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+perlDreamer	morning, patspam	01:53
+perlDreamer	Can I ask you a question about the template team?	01:53
patspam	shoot	01:53
+perlDreamer	Why is the mailing list restricted?	01:54
patspam	i have no idea, in fact i only read the emails about it on the dev list 15 seconds ago	01:54
patspam	closed is never my preferred approach	01:57
+perlDreamer	me, too	01:58
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+perlDreamer	bad connection, patspam?	02:09
patspam	heh, just messing with my pidgin settings	02:11
patspam	trying to get it to suppress the join messages	02:11
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patspam	perlDreamer: I've read through the board now, i agree, i think it should be open	02:27
patspam	i've said as much in the board	02:27
+perlDreamer	When I posted back to rogier's dev list post, I said the same thing.	02:28
@tavisto	patspam, the WUC photo galleries are ready for your images	02:29
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patspam	ah sweet	02:29
@tavisto	www.plainblack.com/wuc and then photos page	02:29
@tavisto	all of the old CS photo galleries have been converted to the new asset. yay	02:29
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patspam	nice work	02:30
patspam	can i / should i post to the "WUC 2008" gallery? or do i need to create my own?	02:31
@tavisto	post to the wuc 2008	02:31
patspam	ah see now you're exposing my Gallery incompetence	02:31
patspam	where do i post?	02:31
@tavisto	yeah I'm glad that JT had time to convert all those from the old assets	02:31
@tavisto	the easiest way to do it is to throw your images into a zip file	02:32
patspam	and where's the upload box? maybe i don't have permissions?	02:33
@tavisto	well I just logged out and I'm wondering now if we're letting peeps upload them from the community.. let me check permissions	02:34
@rizen	wahoo!	02:37
@rizen	i just used the new status/tracking number feature in the shop	02:37
@rizen	most everything pb does is online, so we don't need to ship anything	02:37
@rizen	but someone bought a gooey with karma	02:37
@rizen	so i got to use that feature	02:37
patspam	Shop++	02:38
@tavisto	rizen, did you just enter the # manually?	02:38
@rizen	yes	02:39
@rizen	how else would i have done it?	02:39
@tavisto	dunno.. I have no experience with that	02:39
@rizen	i suppose in the future we may have some shipping plugin integration	02:40
@rizen	that will generate tracking numbers right there	02:40
@rizen	but right now our only shipping plugin is webgui generic ...not specific to a shipper	02:40
@tavisto	coolio, then I suppose if customer views purchase history they can see that info as well	02:40
@rizen	i also see that the new transaction system is showing us that people are trying to purchase with stolen credit cards	02:40
@rizen	yup...they can	02:41
@tavisto	wow really.. nice heh	02:41
+perlDreamer	is that a feature, or a bug? ;)	02:41
@tavisto	I was just sitting here waiting around to try and edit the wuc galleries settings and it was taking forever... I just realized that I was using the edit album option accidentally.. lol	02:42
@rizen	yeah the gallery needs some serious performance tuning	02:42
@rizen	i've posted a bug about that	02:43
@tavisto	yeah it's slooooo	02:43
+perlDreamer	Sorry, no more bugs	02:43
+perlDreamer	The bug list is full	02:43
@tavisto	but hey, I'm going to change the group to add files to registered users if that's okay.. so our attendees can upload pics to wuc 08	02:43
@tavisto	unless you'd rather me setup a cs and have peeps upload their zips there	02:44
@rizen	isn't it already registered users?	02:45
@rizen	i thought i set that	02:45
@tavisto	nah admins.. comments is set to reg users tho	02:45
@tavisto	i can change it then	02:45
@tavisto	patspam, you should be good to go now.. zip and upload my brotha	02:46
@tavisto	click add a photo and then click on the zip archive button and you're set	02:48
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knowmad	Can one of the webgui.org site admins make rogier's post "The goal" a sticky post?	03:29
knowmad	I think it'd be worthwhile to keep that focus as discussions progress	03:30
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patspam	tavis: just running off to a meeting, will post em when i get back!	03:34
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@tavisto	no problem patspam, I just updated a bunch of the captions. I'm off to dinner.. ttyl	03:45
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@perlmonkey2	Anyone thinking of using JSON as collateral, all I have to say is what can be blessed can be unblessed (KABLAM!!!!) <------special effects to help make point.	04:00
@perlmonkey2	I guess before making that point, maybe I should check to see if people are already doing that and I'm just late to the game.	04:01
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@perlmonkey2	So, is this brilliant or just obvious? Take a blessed object, unbless it, encode the resultant hash, store in DB. Grab the JSON from the DB, decode it, bless it as that object again. Magic or not?	07:22
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@perlmonkey2	Okay, I agree, lame.	07:24
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* patspam looks around for the "add a photo" button in the WUC Gallery		08:01
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7411 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: Fix a bug where Show Message on Login didn't work with anonymous	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: registration for WebGUI auth. Added POD to the Auth createAccountSave	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: method to detail that what it returns is important.	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7412 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm): Make showMessageOnLogin sticky for the right setting.	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7413 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting showMessageOnLogin bug fixes from HEAD	08:23
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elnino	good evening! how can I tell that my upgrade of wre was sucessful?	08:57
@Haarg	what version?	08:58
elnino	I went from 083 to 084	08:58
@Haarg	well, there shouldn't be much to screw up. there ended up being a module missing for if you are going to use 7.5.	08:59
elnino	it basically said done. btw, the errata that jt sent out said to install Scalar::List::Utils, but my cpan didn't know what that was, so I installed Scalar::Util. is that ok?	09:01
elnino	I have 7.4.40	09:01
@Haarg	yeah	09:02
elnino	I updated the http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/upgrade-wre-v0.8.x wiki with my observation of that package.	09:03
@Haarg	Scalar::List::Utils is what it is called somewhere, but it contains Scalar::Util and List::Util	09:03
@Haarg	so installing Scalar::Util will grab the right distro	09:04
elnino	that's what it looked like to me.	09:04
elnino	.. so there isn't a why to see what wre is currently running?	09:04
@Haarg	currently running? no really.	09:04
@Haarg	checking the changelog is the closest you'll get.	09:05
elnino	that's too bad. that would be handy.	09:05
elnino	well, that's upgraded when I extract it =)	09:05
@Haarg	well, the meaining of 'currently running' doesn't entirely work with the wre	09:05
@Haarg	since it's just a bunch of other components packaged together	09:06
elnino	oh. ok. would it be possible to see the version of each of those components? - just out of curiousity... =)	09:08
@Haarg	certainly would be possible	09:11
@Haarg	but i couldn't say exactly what it would be	09:11
elnino	ok. just looking for a warm fuzzy that all is well with wre and it's components.	09:11
elnino	different question...	09:11
@Haarg	/data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -V	09:11
@Haarg	for example	09:11
elnino	sure..	09:12
elnino	and, I think I answered my other question... =) Thanks for your help Graham	09:12
elnino	you dont' know anything about ssmpt by anychance do you?	09:13
@Haarg	smtp?	09:14
elnino	welll, yes, I mean smTP, but it's really SSmtp with two s's	09:14
elnino	it's a lightweight sendmail	09:15
@Haarg	nope	09:15
elnino	ok. thought I'd try. =) good night.	09:15
@Haarg	night	09:16
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BartJol	morning	11:04
patspam	evening Bart :)	11:07
BartJol	I hav enot sufficient right to look at your latest post...	11:08
BartJol	have you heard anyone about 7.5.22	11:09
BartJol	I was hoping it would be out...	11:09
@Haarg	next week probably tuesday	11:10
BartJol	whoa, still awake?	11:12
BartJol	ok thanks	11:12
@Haarg	half awake at least	11:12
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SDuensin	Morning.	15:49
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wgGuest10	HELLO	16:48
@bopbop	hello wgGUest10	16:54
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wgGuest10	how are you	17:01
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wgGuest10	i was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm interested in webgui but I'm completely lost. I am a graphic designer, and design few webpages. I have a client that would like a members area and i have no clue on how to set that up	17:03
@bopbop	you can set up a group of users for the members, and assign that group on the security tab of any page you wish to be members only	17:04
wgGuest10	is there a way to set up the page that when they register and pay their monthy fee they will automatically be added to the users?	17:05
@bopbop	yes, there is commerce available in WebGUI, and there is a subscription application	17:05
wgGuest10	and is there something special i need to load to my server for webgui to work?	17:06
@bopbop	one of the developers would be better able to answer that- perhaps preaction would be willing to answer if he's around	17:06
@bopbop	you could also look here: http://www.webgui.org/download	17:07
wgGuest10	ok, well i must say that you have given me more informaiton today that what i got yesterday. This thing is about to blow my brain up...	17:07
@bopbop	or post to the install/upgrade forum on webgui.org	17:07
@bopbop	check wiki.webgui.org as well	17:08
wgGuest10	ok thanks	17:08
@bopbop	good luck	17:08
wgGuest10	ok, one more dumb question,	17:12
wgGuest10	do you have to have some special knowledge to download webgui onto your computer, or is there an online version?	17:12
@bopbop	well, it's not always easy to install, but I suggest you install it with WRE	17:14
@bopbop	that's the WebGUI Runtime Environment	17:14
@bopbop	once you get started, you can come back out here if you get stuck	17:15
@rizen	don't install webgui	17:15
@rizen	if this is your first time out use the demo server	17:15
@rizen	http://demo.webgui.org	17:15
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@rizen	play around with it	17:15
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@rizen	learn how to use it	17:15
@rizen	and after you come to see how awesome it is, then worry about installing it, or even better yet, find a hoster that fits your needs	17:16
wgGuest10	will webgui work on existing sites?	17:17
@rizen	do you mean will it edit existing html pages?	17:18
@rizen	it's not an HTML editor like Dreamweaver if that's what you're asking	17:18
@rizen	it's an application server...designed to build out very dynamic and interactive sites	17:18
@rizen	not flat html pages	17:18
wgGuest10	yeah i know that, i have the pages already designed, i am looking for a program that will allow me to have a members area	17:18
@rizen	webgui will do that	17:19
@rizen	as bopbop said	17:19
wgGuest10	even if my server is not on location, the site is hosted by someone else	17:19
@rizen	the server has to be designed to support webgui	17:19
@rizen	you can't use a $2/mo hoster	17:19
wgGuest10	ok, thanks for the info,	17:20
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@rizen	methinks he wanted to use a $2/mo hoster. =)	17:20
@tavisto	aye	17:20
@rizen	tavisto: i think that mccain gave a great speech last night	17:21
@rizen	it reminded me of the old mccain	17:21
@tavisto	the 2000 mccain eh?	17:21
@rizen	yeah	17:21
@rizen	i really liked the old mccain	17:21
@tavisto	I kinda thought he was a snake in the grass previously.. but he turned out to be okay	17:22
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@khenn	I still think he's a snake in the grass tbh	17:29
@khenn	s/he's/he's still/	17:30
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@perlmonkey2	By definition aren't all politicians snakes in the grass?	18:28
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BartJol	you have some that hide in the sand	18:50
BartJol	but nice weekend everyone	18:50
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+perlDreamer	Morning, folks.	18:59
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perlmonkey21	good morning perlDreamer	19:01
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey21: you've been promoted	19:02
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2+19	19:02
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perlmonkey21	+19?	19:08
perlmonkey21	oh, ghosted	19:08
perlmonkey21	brb	19:08
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@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: you see my IM's yesterday about blessing and unblessing objects in order to JSONify them?	19:10
+perlDreamer	No.	19:11
+perlDreamer	Could you resend them, please?	19:11
@Haarg	if you need to JSON the structure of an object, you can just turn on allow_blessed	19:12
@perlmonkey2	Oh they were on irc. Basicallyl like what I just said. Take an entire object, unbless it, remove any circular references, and it is ready to be serialized. Then when you need it again, deserialize and bless, add back circular references and you have the exact same obejct	19:12
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: I haven't had much luck getting that to work.	19:12
@perlmonkey2	Probably just doing something wrong	19:12
+perlDreamer	Session is a circular reference	19:13
@perlmonkey2	oh, looks like you need a convert_blessed option enabled also	19:13
+perlDreamer	This is a function of JSON.pm?	19:14
@perlmonkey2	but convert_blessed just looks for a to_json method in the target objec.t	19:14
@perlmonkey2	yes	19:14
@perlmonkey2	So you still have to return a non-blessed reference somehow	19:14
@Haarg	what kind of object is this?	19:15
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: these are Survey objects. No connection to WG.	19:17
@perlmonkey2	actually just a single survey object that contains all the member objects to handle all the data manipulation.	19:17
@Haarg	you probably wouldn't want to unbless it	19:17
@perlmonkey2	But after each post, it can be grabbed from the DB, deserialized, blessed, used as needed, unblessed, serialized and stored back in teh DB.	19:18
@Haarg	but copying everything into a new hashref might be fine	19:18
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: what's wrong with unblessing it? Seems to just return the original hashref	19:18
@perlmonkey2	and it is a super lazy solution, which I like	19:18
@Haarg	well, anything expecting to use it as an object after doing that will break	19:19
+perlDreamer	bless and unblessing hashrefs has serious speed penalties on CentOs, Redhat and Fedora	19:19
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: okay, I'll just create a copy of the data and return it. So much for being lazy.	19:20
@Haarg	not much difference really	19:21
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: I would only unbless it right before serializing and returning	19:21
@Haarg	yeah, but what if something else had a ref to it?	19:21
+perlDreamer	it would work fine on the WRE, just not in a native distribution perl	19:21
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@Haarg	to_json({ %{$self} })	19:21
@Haarg	seems simpler than unbless really	19:22
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: that works? casting a blessed ref to a hash?	19:22
@perlmonkey2	that is too cool	19:22
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@Haarg	yeah, it works just like any other hashref	19:22
@perlmonkey2	I don't have any real experience with Perl OO besides Moose	19:22
@perlmonkey2	all I ever used	19:22
@Haarg	only reason json handles it differently is because treating an object like a hash as a general rule isn't a very good idea	19:23
@Haarg	but you have full control of your object	19:23
+perlDreamer	Haarg, at some point we need to check out each other's JSON collateral methods and build WebGUI::JSONCollateral from both of them.	19:24
@Haarg	yeah	19:24
@Haarg	well, it isn't too hard to add json stuff to update/get	19:25
@Haarg	like jt did for the bazaar	19:25
+perlDreamer	I haven't read the Bazaar code yet.	19:25
@Haarg	but it gets less friendly when you have collateral tables	19:25
+perlDreamer	yes.	19:27
@Haarg	i've only looked at get/update in the bazaaritem asset	19:27
@Haarg	really we should be moving to using some kind of object mapping for collateral