WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-09.log

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SynQhi there00:26
SynQthe airport has a fine network connection00:26
SynQno one00:51
SynQI just paid 6 dollar to irc with you guys ;)00:51
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SynQok01:24
SynQtime to go01:24
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@perlmonkey2wuc wuc wuc17:09
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@perlmonkey2No labor day fun for you!17:43
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* rizen warms branding iron17:56
@perlmonkey2hah18:10
@perlmonkey2I've thought that instead of having a large JS lib that looks for new HTML returned from an AJAX call and makes the appropriate JS calls, to having a data member returned form JS calls that is simply eval'd.  Anyone have any thoughts on using JS eval?  18:12
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+MrHairgreasehowdy!18:39
+MrHairgreaseThe DIF is home18:39
+MrHairgreaseplease tell the hotel bar they should stop stock piling Spotted Cow18:39
+MrHairgrease=)18:39
@perlmonkey2How was the trip back?18:40
+MrHairgreasefairly ok18:41
@perlmonkey2good good18:41
+MrHairgreasejust cramped18:41
+MrHairgreaseI just slept for about 4 hours or so18:41
+MrHairgreaseso I'm fasing into the eurotrash timezone already18:41
@perlmonkey2could be worse I suppose.18:42
+MrHairgreasesure18:42
@perlmonkey2Your graphing asset was a big hit at the wuc.18:43
@perlmonkey2Very cool18:43
+MrHairgreaseok cool18:43
+MrHairgreaseI thought it was okay18:43
+MrHairgreasebut not as good as the acme presentation last year18:43
+MrHairgreaseanyway18:44
@perlmonkey2ah, I didn't see that.18:44
+MrHairgreaseif you do things to JT's mugshot you score easily with the audience anyway18:44
+MrHairgreasewhich I don't mind at all=)18:44
@perlmonkey2Hah, yeah, even JT thought that was good.18:45
+MrHairgreaseDid the surveys tell that btw?18:45
+MrHairgreaseor is it your opinion?18:45
@perlmonkey2I wouldn't be the one to ask about survey results, but from general PB talk after the event, your asset was a hit.18:46
+MrHairgreaseOk cool18:46
+MrHairgreaseI liked colins webgui programming mistakes talk a lot18:46
@perlmonkey2Yes, very useful.18:46
+MrHairgreasewinning a beer was the cherry on the cake18:46
@perlmonkey2Probably should be a seminar.  18:46
@perlmonkey2hah18:46
@perlmonkey2You just liked it cause you hauled in a huge score.18:47
+MrHairgreaseThat, and I like interactive sessions18:47
+MrHairgreaseI think we need more of those next year somehow18:47
@perlmonkey2Absolutely18:47
@perlmonkey2It also makes it much easier on the presenter.18:48
+MrHairgreaseI'm not sure about that18:48
+MrHairgreasefor instance colin's talk must have cost him a lot of time to prepare18:48
+MrHairgreaseand you'll have to be able to get your audience participating18:49
@perlmonkey2Yeah, would probably only work in presentations where the presenter has a 'hook' to get the audience going.18:49
+MrHairgreaseThat only works if you get the subject of the talk just right.18:49
+MrHairgreaseright18:49
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doc777Hey everyone. I have a strange issue with httpproxy... integrating a help desk into site using httpproxy works great... until a page has <input type=file>  Then the page turns blank and displays nothing ;)   19:14
doc777I do not see anything in any of the log files but something certainly happens.  Does webgui block file attachments in httpproxy?19:15
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@perlmonkey2Why would testEnvironment say that Archive::Zip is not installed when it is installed (x64 though)?20:11
+MrHairgreasedid you use setEnve first?20:11
+MrHairgreaseotherwise i dunno20:12
@perlmonkey2I'm not using the WRE.  Can't seem to get WRE 8.3/4 to work with the Survey2 branch anymore.20:12
@perlmonkey2weird lib errors.  Oh well, who wants to code when sys admining is so much more fun :)20:13
+MrHairgreasemaybe it's the wrong version?20:13
@perlmonkey2guess I better stop whining and go find out what's wrong.20:14
@perlmonkey2is there a problem with wre8.4 not having DBD::Mysql and not being able to install it?20:23
@rizennot that i'm aware of20:24
@perlmonkey2That is certainly not a module that the WRE should be missing.  But no matter how many times I blow away the wre dir, re-untar it and . setenv it is missing.  And then it fails to make.  20:26
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@perlmonkey2Has anyone had the 8.4 wre use up all available memory when starting mod_perl on x64 redhat?01:06
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+cap10morganHas the EventsCalendar asset been removed? (as of 7.5.21)01:09
@preactioncap10morgan, the old one, yes01:16
+cap10morganreplaced by event management system?01:17
+cap10morganor calendar?01:17
@preactionreplaced by Calendar01:18
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+cap10morganok, thanks01:22
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7389 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: set a default parameter hashref if none is passed to the set method of Workflow::Instance04:44
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+Radix-wrkHmm.. Google Chrome looks very interesting - http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA35,M105:35
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7390 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: 06:18
CIA-39WebGUI: Fix a bug in the delete method, execute is passed an array ref.06:18
CIA-39WebGUI: Update POD about constructors/instanciators.06:18
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SynQgood night to you all :)11:57
BartJolmorning11:57
SynQthe webgui.org is a lot faster today then it was last week :)12:16
SynQI'm really pleased with that12:16
BartJolprobably there were too many users constantly logged in :)12:17
BartJolor do we host the site now?12:17
SynQno we don't12:25
SynQI think someone has tuned it :)12:25
BartJolah, has been to a certain presentation :)12:26
SynQhehe12:26
SynQhow is your jet lag?12:26
BartJolwell, I overslept today for a bit, but now I feel fine12:27
BartJoland you, had a nice meeting yesterday?12:27
SynQno meeting12:28
SynQI called to cancel it12:28
SynQI got up quite in time today12:28
SynQnow I have to go and provision for our baby12:28
SynQI'll be back12:28
SynQl8ter12:28
BartJoldoie12:29
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SDuensin_Greetings.16:20
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snapcountmad props to you guys on the JT for President bit16:29
snapcountthat made me lol repeatedly16:29
@khennit was pretty funny16:29
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+snapcountthat news video had me going till the end16:29
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@perlmonkey2Is a graphic module required in <HEAD>?16:39
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@perlmonkey2http://pastebin.com/d5ba13b0e    Does that make sense to anyone?  That is the error message I get right before modperl uses up all memory crashing the machine.  I've replicated this on two redhat machines now using wre8.3?4  and <HEAD>.  The complaint appears to be that Image::Magick is not installed but perl -MImage::Magick says it broken: http://pastebin.com/d4b9fb49216:51
@perlmonkey2So does this mean that Image::Magick is broken on RH/Fedora?16:51
ckotilim using image magick on RHEL516:53
ckotilImageMagick-6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.116:53
ckotilImageMagick-perl-6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.116:53
@perlmonkey2ckotil: So not the WRE?16:53
ckotilnope. from source16:53
knowmadperlmonkey2: does the Magick.so file exist at that path?16:54
@perlmonkey2knowmad: I guess I should probably check :D16:54
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perlmonkey21knowmad: Yes, that lib is there.  Not sure what that tells me17:01
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knowmadperlmonkey2: it tells you the reason for the error message is not that the file was removed; have you tried doing a force re-install of PerlMagick?17:44
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@perlmonkey2knowmad: yes, and it fails to build in the wre17:50
@perlmonkey2Best as I can tell, this is the wrong version of the .so17:52
xdangeris there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ?17:52
xdangerI really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl17:53
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xdangerrizen: you just missed my question =)17:54
xdanger17:52 < xdanger> is there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ?17:54
xdanger17:53 < xdanger> I really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl17:54
@rizenerrors don't have urls17:55
xdangerI have some page that generates a error (I think there is a old sql-macro somewhere) but I can't seem to find it17:56
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xdangerI meant that if the error is generated in request, the url of the request could be found easyly17:57
@rizennope, there's no way to do that17:59
@rizenat least not any way that i'm aware of17:59
@rizenis it a macro that you know the name of ?17:59
@rizenis it ^SQL();17:59
@rizen?17:59
@rizenif so, that's easily found17:59
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xdangercould be... but I have some errors sometimes that I wish could be quickly found with the url in the error message (like in apache log)18:01
xdangerbut if the error is only warn, it doesn't print in to the modperl.error.log18:01
xdangerrizen: maybe I could appedn $self->session->url->getRequestedUrl(); to error messages in Session/ErrorHandles.pm?18:03
@rizenyou could for all but fatals18:04
@rizencuz there's not necessarily a session on fatals18:05
xdangeryep, I only need warn at the moment18:07
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xdangeris there a problem using:  $message .= " url:".$self->session->env->get("REQUEST_URI"); ?18:17
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+MrHairgreas1howdy!18:50
@preactionhowdy yourself!18:51
+MrHairgreas1is the weather in Madison still as nice?18:52
+MrHairgreas1It's generic Dutch weather over here18:52
@preactionit was pretty nice the other day, seems nice outside today too18:52
@preactionhard to tell in my living room, sky always looks hazy from my living room (i suspect the windows haven't been cleaned in a few decades)18:53
@rizenstill sunny and nice in madtown today18:53
+MrHairgreas1hmm18:54
+MrHairgreas1maybe I should return then...18:54
SDuensinHey rizen - I like the new Bizarre Bizarre.18:54
@rizenthanks SD18:54
@rizeni hope the rest of the community finds it useful as well18:54
+MrHairgreas1you mean the Bizarre as in the Bazaar with Kinky Items on it?18:54
SDuensinMrHairgreas1 - WHERE'S THAT!?  Damn!  I missed it!18:55
SDuensinrizen - I jumped right on and updated my useless macro entry.  :-)18:55
+MrHairgreas1I think it was the special after hours session at the wuc18:55
+MrHairgreas1=)18:55
SDuensinWell, hell, you didn't tell me about THAT session!18:55
+MrHairgreas1Why would you wanna know?18:55
+MrHairgreas1You didn't attend anyway18:55
SDuensinMay have changed my mind.  :-P18:56
+MrHairgreas1hehe18:56
+MrHairgreas1well18:56
+MrHairgreas1all I can say18:56
+MrHairgreas1It involved spotted cows18:56
SDuensinUh.  Maybe we have different ideas of Bizarre. 18:56
+MrHairgreas1maybe not18:57
@preactionwere there also fat squirrels?18:57
+MrHairgreas1it more 'nice' than bizarre18:57
+MrHairgreas1i didn't have any18:57
+MrHairgreas1only cows for me18:57
+MrHairgreas1an a few butts18:58
+MrHairgreas1harharhar18:58
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estivenHi19:03
@preactionhi19:03
+MrHairgreas1high!19:03
estivenI have a problem with my users.....19:03
+MrHairgreas1who hasn't =)19:04
estivenand i need delete all... exept the admin user...19:04
estivenhow i can do that..?19:04
@preactionfrom the front-end you can delete one at a time19:04
@preactionyou could use the UserList asset to make delete links for a lot of users19:05
estivenyes19:05
+MrHairgreas1the quick way is by removing all entries from the users and authentication tables19:05
+MrHairgreas1as well as19:05
@preactionyou could write a utility script that can delete all the users you don't want19:05
+MrHairgreas1the profileData tables19:05
@preactiongroupings, userProfileData, userLoginLog19:05
+MrHairgreas1and you'll have to take into account grouping as well\19:05
+MrHairgreas1indeed19:05
+MrHairgreas1a utility script would be best19:06
+MrHairgreas11) do a query on the users table to fetch all id's19:06
+MrHairgreas12) do a foreach on those id's19:06
estivenyes19:07
+MrHairgreas1for every id matching a 22 character guid do19:07
+MrHairgreas1WebGUI::User->new($session, $id)->delete;19:07
+MrHairgreas1that would do your stuff19:07
+MrHairgreas1please check out the pod of WG::User19:07
@preactionyeah, make sure you don't get uid "1" and uid "3"19:07
@preactionbut ->delete() wouldn't allow you to delete those anyway19:08
estivenjmm19:08
+MrHairgreas1jmm?19:08
+MrHairgreas1oh19:09
+MrHairgreas1hmm =)19:09
estivenjeje yes19:09
+MrHairgreas1i see19:09
+MrHairgreas1just use _utility.skeleton (or something like that) in sbin to start with.19:09
estivenOk, I try to do it19:10
estivenThanks19:10
+MrHairgreas1sure19:10
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juansometimes my  webgui.log is show me the next error:20:25
juanhttp://www.webgui.pastebin.com/m7dcde5c120:25
juani have tried to fix it but i don't know what is it about?20:25
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7391 /experimental/Bazaar/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Sku/BazaarItem.pm Wobject/Bazaar.pm): 20:28
CIA-39WebGUI: moved keywords20:28
CIA-39WebGUI: fixed problem with comments deleting20:28
juanhttp://www.webgui.pastebin.com/m18a8846d20:31
juanthose are 2 errors20:31
+MrHairgreas1juan: you probably have too many inodes in your cache folder20:32
+MrHairgreas1that's what the Too many links thing means if i'm correct20:32
+MrHairgreas1try to purge your cache for that site20:33
+MrHairgreas1that shoudl help20:33
juanhow can I do that?20:34
+MrHairgreas1In your admin console there's an option caching20:35
+MrHairgreas1or just rm it by hand20:35
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+MrHairgreas1rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache/www.colegiosvirtuales.com.conf/20:35
+MrHairgreas1i'd try the admin console first 20:36
juanyes20:36
jlittlewoodhi folks. has anyone tried to tackle the bug with export tab delimited not working in 7.5.2120:36
jlittlewood?20:36
juanhow can avoid it?20:37
+MrHairgreas1juan: you can't really20:37
@Haargyes jlittlewood, i have a patch for it20:37
jlittlewoodcash money20:37
juanok20:37
+MrHairgreas1it's a problem with how FileCache writes it's stuff to disk20:37
jlittlewoodhaarg: can you send it my way or is it up somewhere?20:37
+MrHairgreas1I think there's an workflow in there somewhere that cleans it out for you20:38
@Haargi don't have it out anywhere yet, just a sec20:38
juanok20:39
juanthanks20:39
@Haargjlittlewood, https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm?rev1=7391;rev2=7392;mime=text/plain20:41
jlittlewoodhaarg: awesome. thanks. any tips/instructions on applying this patch? (I've never done that before -- might end up being totally out of my league, but you never know.)20:43
@Haargin this case it's simple enough you may want to just do it by hand20:44
@Haargif you downloaded that, then ran "patch /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm < patchfile", it should work20:46
jlittlewoodhaarg: great. Do you know if this will go into 7.5.22?20:51
@Haargit will20:52
jlittlewoodhaarg: thanks again.20:53
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7392 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work21:07
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7393 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl): fixed: Some templates ship with isPublic=121:07
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@perlmonkey2Anyone see a bug reported on Workflow being broken?22:10
@preactionperlmonkey2, no22:11
@perlmonkey2On two machines now using [HEAD] I've had the same error.  One machine using source the other the WRE.22:12
@perlmonkey2strange22:12
@perlmonkey2no idea if it is me or my setup though.22:12
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@perlmonkey2This ring a bell with anyone?  2008/09/02 14:30:53 - ERROR - www.survey.com.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance '6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 33422:31
xdangerwebgui's admin interface on google chrome is blazingly fast =)22:33
topsubxdanger do you have it for ubuntu or windows?22:35
topsubSeems its only for windows?22:35
xdangerwindows for the moment22:35
xdangerbut if you like you can build it from the source: http://code.google.com/chromium/22:36
@preactionperlmonkey2, yes. a tag got deleted before spectre could get to it. try restarting spectre?22:37
xdangertopsub: quite simple how-to: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux22:37
@perlmonkey2preaction: same error even after restarting22:46
@perlmonkey2I'll blow away this DB instance and see if that resolves things22:46
@perlmonkey2preaction: I just blew away the DB, recreated, restarted everything, and am getting the same error.22:54
@preactionperlmonkey2, same instance ID? 6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g22:54
@perlmonkey2preaction: well no, it looks like none of the workflows are being ran22:55
@perlmonkey2new ids on most of them22:55
@preactionmost or all?22:55
@preactionyou might want to check in the WorkflowInstance table. there's a "parameters" column that, for those instances, will have a tagId for a Version Tag. 22:56
@preactionfirst, check to see if the tagId exists in assetVersionTag and/or assetData22:56
@perlmonkey2okay22:56
@preactionnext, check to see if that tagId and/or the instanceId exists in create.sql22:56
@perlmonkey2k22:56
@Haargthere shouldn't be any instances and only one tag in create.sql22:57
@Haargif that ever isn't the case then i screwed something up22:57
@perlmonkey2preaction: the parameters column is an empty json struct22:58
@perlmonkey2empty hash22:59
@preactionthen you can safely delete those instances from the WorkflowInstance table and restart spectre22:59
@perlmonkey2okay22:59
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7394 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work22:59
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7395 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.5.22.pl): fixed: Some templates ship with isPublic=122:59
@perlmonkey2Okay, fresh db creation, just ran upgrade on it.  Shoudl be completely clean.  I'm going to edit an article and save it.  And 100-1 it throws the workflow error.23:02
@perlmonkey2The worldflow instance is paramaters:{}23:03
juani have many posts in a CS23:14
juani want to send the link to a friend23:14
juanis there a macro to detect the current url for a thread?23:15
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miloidrrHi I have a question about cs23:32
miloidrrI have a data form in a pl, in a cs templete im calling the data form with a ^AssetProxy macro23:33
miloidrrThis form send the post to the user friends23:34
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miloidrrCan i put templates variables in the value of filds to catch the URL?23:34
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elninoHi All!  Hope you all had a create Labor Day weekend. Great WUC!!!  Out of curiousity, are there downloads from the workshop? (tuesday/wednesday)00:25
knowmadHi elnino. Yeah, that was a great WUC this year.00:34
+MrHairgreas1it sure was00:35
+MrHairgreas1are there any photos yet?00:36
+MrHairgreas1they seemed to have disappered from the wuc photo section00:36
elninofor those who missed it, you missed out. It was a bummer I missed tuesday/wednesday00:36
elninoknowmad: It was nice meeting you and DK. And maybe I met MrHairgreas1, but I don't know =)00:37
+MrHairgreas1me neither00:37
elninodid you teach any of the presentations?00:38
+MrHairgreas1I'm one of the dutch guys00:38
+MrHairgreas1yeah00:38
elninowell there's 14 of you..  wasn't there?00:38
+MrHairgreas1the presentation on the Graphing Plugins00:38
+MrHairgreas1the pretty one00:38
+MrHairgreas1=)00:38
elninoYes, I was in your class, that was pretty funny - very well done!00:38
+MrHairgreas1Then we've probably met =)00:39
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elninoprobably.00:39
+MrHairgreas1hehe, who are you if I may ask?00:39
elninoI was the one that showed up with a baby in hand at the end of the day friday - if you were a around. I dont' know if I actually intro'd myself. 00:41
+MrHairgreas1I was there but it doesn't ring bells00:41
+MrHairgreas1oh well, the wuc was cool00:42
@bopbopMrHairgreas1: the wuc photos for this year are out there: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/photos00:45
+MrHairgreas1that's where I looked, but there are no photos at all anymore over there00:45
+MrHairgreas1not even those of previous wucs00:46
elninoconfimed, just white space.00:46
+MrHairgreas1are they perhaps moved to a gallery somewhere?00:47
elninoI'm using ff 2.0 and IE - so it doesn't appear to be a broswer issue.00:47
@Haarglooks like a permissions problem00:50
@preactionit might be on purpose, JT was saying there were some performance issues with the thumbnails and slideshow pages00:51
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@Haargshould be viewable now00:57
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SynQ2good day to you01:08
+MrHairgreas1haarg: it works01:21
+MrHairgreas1a tad slow indeed01:22
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SynQ2ok02:06
SynQ2time for bed02:06
SynQ2nite02:06
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CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7396 /branch/doug-experimental/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: finished DataTable work. just need to add WebGUI.i18n JS interface05:18
topsubwhere can i see mysql errors?05:19
topsubi can't get mysql to start for some reason and not sure where to go from here05:19
topsubis there a way i can kiill mysql or something?05:19
@rizenin /data/wre/var/mysqldata/HOSTNAME.err05:20
topsubwhen i try to start mysql i get "kill: 409: No such process" what is it doing? besides not starting05:24
@rizenit's spitting out an error message that reads: "kill: 409: No such process"05:25
topsubdoes this mean mysql is already running but wre doesn't know that?05:26
@rizenno it just means "kill: 409: No such process"05:26
@rizeni have no idea what that means though05:26
@rizenother than that mysql isn't starting =)05:26
topsubso its trying to kill 409 but there is no process05:26
@rizen2 things you should check05:26
topsubhmm  when i do "top"i see a "mysqld" and mysqld_safe"05:27
@rizen1) ps aux|grep mysql05:27
@rizensee what mysql processes are running and kill them05:27
@rizen2) look in /data/wre/var/mysqldata and see if there is a .pid file05:27
@rizenif there is, deleted it05:27
topsubwhen i run the ps aux |grep mysql i get a list.. so i do a sudo kill #### then the pid number05:35
topsubthey seem to come right back05:35
@rizenkill -9 ####05:35
@rizenthe -9 means kill unconditionally05:35
@rizenkill ruthlessly05:35
@rizenmurder that process where it stands05:36
topsublol05:36
@rizenso i'm watching the republican national convention right now05:37
+Radix-wrkreiser style05:37
@rizenfred thompson gave an inspired speech05:37
khenn_I tivo'd it cause I got bored of watching veterans05:38
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@rizenbut i'm noticing one huge difference compared to last weeks democratic convention05:38
@rizenhardly anybody looks happy05:38
@rizenvery few people are smiling05:38
@rizenlaughing05:38
@khennI'm noticed that there are not as many people05:38
@rizenmost just look mad05:38
@khennbut maybe cause it was early05:39
@rizenyeah, the upper decks are mostly empty05:39
@khennso thompson was worth hearing?05:39
@rizenhis speechifying was good05:40
topsubalright so i killed all mysql stuff and removed all the pids05:40
@rizenbut his message was mostly smoke blowing05:40
@rizenbut he was WAY WAY WAY better than laura bush05:41
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topsubthanks rizen finally got mysql starting again05:52
topsubdon't know what happen05:52
@rizentopsub, try not sucking so much05:53
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@rizenthat usually helps me05:53
topsublol hey hey... make software that works!05:54
topsubauto fixing software would be pimp05:54
@rizenwhat are you complaining about05:55
@rizenit wasn't my software that wasn't working05:55
@rizenit was mysql05:55
topsublol05:56
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+Radix-wrkHmm.. tinymce editor in my version of webgui doesn't seem to like the new Google Chrome browser - doesn't open at all06:21
+Radix-wrkSeems to work on the current beta tho06:22
+Radix-wrkmaybe it's time for me to look at upgrading our 7.0.8 webgui06:23
@rizen7.0 is pretty old by now06:24
+Radix-wrkyeah, we just haven't needed to change06:25
+Radix-wrkeverything works so well as is06:26
@rizenunderstood06:27
@rizenwebgui 7.0 is pretty good06:27
@rizenso many shiny new features in 7.5 though06:27
@rizen=)06:27
@preactionlike the TinyMCE 3.0 series!06:28
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wgGuest27Hello, any news about when WRE 0.8.5 will be released?12:27
BartJolhaven't heard any plans for it12:29
wgGuest27after WUC there was going to be a 0.8.5. version.. to fix 0.8.412:30
BartJolooh, then it might be soon12:33
BartJolI'm not sure, I've heard a planning for WebGUI itself12:33
BartJolbut, since those bugs were quite serious I do suspect that it might be soon12:34
wgGuest27ok12:35
wgGuest27I'll check the site end of the week and we'll see ;-)12:36
BartJolthat might be best12:36
wgGuest27Something else:12:36
wgGuest27Is it convenient as welll for small sites to split mod_prox/perl and/or the db server? When it comes to performance? What would a bottleneck be?12:36
wgGuest27In other words, which part requires best hardware for best performance?12:37
BartJolwell, right now we have some sites which have all on the same server12:37
wgGuest27Guess mod_perl is on the third place?!?12:37
BartJolI'd think mod_proxy actually12:38
BartJolthat passes most stuff through to mod_perl as far as I know 12:38
wgGuest27ok.. 12:38
BartJolbu I guess that you can better combine both mod_perl and mod_proxy on 1 server12:39
BartJolif you have two12:39
BartJoland then the db on another12:39
wgGuest27ok..12:40
BartJolbut that is the way I interpreted stuff12:40
wgGuest27You have a no. of sites on one server you say, since you do not require splitting, whats the size/traffic of a big site?12:43
wgGuest27Try to determine if is interessting at all to think about splitting WRE/DB...12:44
BartJolmmm, I'm not that specialised in those numbers, mostly doing WebGUI support, but try to work myself up to ubernerd :)12:44
BartJolsorry12:45
BartJolwere you at the wuc?12:46
wgGuest27no12:46
BartJolalas12:46
BartJolit was fun12:46
wgGuest27I mean sites like 1Gb, 5Gb, 10Gb or 100Gb traffic...?!?12:46
wgGuest27ok..12:47
BartJolI have to look something up for that brb12:47
wgGuest27when a WUC is in Europe I'll consider there to go...12:47
wgGuest27ok tnx12:47
BartJolI see that for a fairly big site we have12:48
BartJol2GB ram12:48
BartJol2 Mbit traffic12:48
wgGuest27dedicated 2Mbit line?12:49
wgGuest27but monthly traffic for that site?12:49
wgGuest27+/-12:50
BartJoloh, it actually two times that12:50
BartJoleeeh, starnge it isn't defined...12:50
BartJolfor a small site we have 10 GB12:51
BartJolwell the machines are virtual, I'm not sure whether the servers have a reservation for the traffic12:52
BartJolI think it's load balanced with the other VM's12:52
BartJolbut, not sure about that12:53
wgGuest27OK tnx12:54
BartJolnp12:54
SynQah12:54
SynQsales :)12:54
wgGuest27I'll first buy one server then we'll see...12:55
wgGuest27;-)12:55
BartJolaaaah it's him12:55
BartJolwell, I leave it to you SynQ12:55
SynQwgGuest27: you want to rent some server space from us?12:55
wgGuest27Well the plan is to have our own server here...12:57
wgGuest27we'll get fiber soon12:57
SynQwhere is here?12:57
wgGuest27Sweden12:57
SynQAh nice12:57
SynQwould you like to buy some assistance from us installing and configuring your setup?12:57
SynQfor example I think you would most definately benifit from a separate database and modperl server12:58
SynQbut you could also virtualize that on one box12:58
SynQin two virtual instances12:58
wgGuest27But isn't the splitting benefit away then...?!? separate hardware..12:59
SynQno it isn't12:59
SynQsince splitting it makes it much more easy to manage13:00
wgGuest27So the DB server is requiring most.. besides mod_perl&proxy?13:00
SynQyes and no13:00
SynQwgGuest27: I have to go, lunch is calling13:00
wgGuest27ok13:01
wgGuest27me too13:01
wgGuest27;-)13:01
SynQwhat is your name?13:01
wgGuest27back at 130013:01
SynQI have got work to do after 13:0013:01
wgGuest27My wg-name is Jmack..13:02
SynQah ok13:02
SynQmine is koen13:02
SynQadd me as a friend on webgui.org13:02
SynQand we can e-mail about it13:02
wgGuest27Ok, I'll check out how that works...!13:03
wgGuest27cu13:03
SynQCU13:03
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patspamSynQ: when are you going to get some servers here in Australia, I'd love to outsource my hosting ;)14:06
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patspamI'm seeing 'ap_get_server_banner() not available' errors from apache with wre 0.8.4. is that part of known bugs to be fixed in 0.8.5?14:11
BartJoldunno14:16
patspamthe full error is: ap_get_server_banner() not available until httpd/2.2.4 falling back to ap_get_server_version() at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux/XSLoader.pm line 94.14:17
BartJolwell if there isn't a bu report on that, you should make one14:23
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BartJolhow was your trip?14:23
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patspami lied, it was only 14.5hrs from LAX to sydney14:32
patspambut it was still less than fun14:32
BartJolwell 7.5 hours was enough for me too14:32
SynQ2bart14:56
SynQ2I am looking into a very strange thing14:56
SynQ2in the requesttracker14:57
SynQ2a karma rank is displayed14:57
SynQ2but it is displayed as a float with 6 numbers after the .14:57
SynQ2I want to display only the integer part of that float14:57
SynQ2but only in displaying the amount of karma14:58
SynQ2how do I find out where the karma rank is being constructed in the code?14:58
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BartJola wait, let me read15:04
BartJolyou mean in the webgui.org?15:04
BartJolah, wait15:05
BartJolwhat site?15:05
BartJolI think it is a template var in the CS15:07
BartJolit's tmpl_var karmaRank15:10
BartJolhow surprising15:10
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SynQ2yes I know15:15
SynQ2but it displays the karma like this: 0.00000015:15
SynQ2instead of just 015:15
BartJolit's in the db in the thread15:15
SynQ2there is an RFE for it15:16
SynQ2http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/round-karma-rank15:16
BartJolI see15:17
BartJolin the db you can set the karmaRank Type to a float 11,015:18
SynQ2the 6 trailing zero's do not make it much clearer15:18
SynQ2what table?15:18
BartJolinstead of 11,615:18
BartJolThread15:19
BartJolsorry for giving you all info you already know, but, I also have to analyse the problem15:20
BartJol:)15:20
BartJollet meknow whether it works15:21
SynQ2ok15:21
SynQ2but that is not what I want15:22
SynQ2I only want to display it as an int15:22
SynQ2but still want to keep it as a float in the database15:22
SynQ2so I want the value in the template to be formatted as an 11,0 or 11.615:22
SynQ211,6 even15:23
SynQ2I have added a comment to the RFE15:26
BartJolok, I will look into the thread code15:26
SynQ2now how is a template processed?15:26
SynQ2perhaps the webgui developers book says something about that15:26
BartJolplease read your docs:15:32
BartJolMySQL allows a non-standard syntax:       FLOAT(M,D)       or       REAL(M,D)       or DOUBLE       PRECISION(M,D).       Here,       "(M,D)"       means than values can be stored with up to       M digits in total, of which       D digits may be after the decimal       point. For example, a column defined as       FLOAT(7,4) will look like       -999.9999 when displayed. MySQL performs       rounding when storing values, so if you insert       915:32
BartJoloh sorry15:32
BartJoloops15:32
BartJolje suis stupid15:32
BartJolmmm15:32
BartJolbut it might not matter anyway, if the karmaRank is calculated (it's only a division) everytime from the total amount of karma, the storing with more digits is irrelevant15:35
BartJolI understand that it differs, if you mean to show them on differnt places with different amount of digits15:37
BartJolso it might still be preferable to be able to include it in a tmp_var15:38
SynQ2but how do I change the way it is displayed in the template?15:42
SynQ2what code do I have to edit to make available a karmaRankInteger for example?15:42
BartJolif you want that (for a custom site), I think at the moment it is the easiest to write a macro that gets the karmaScale and karma, divide thse and give it as the output you want15:42
SynQ2I want it done generically15:42
BartJolI'm looking... might take a minute15:45
SynQ2k15:45
@khennjust make a macro that rounds the number ...15:47
@khennprobably 1 liner15:47
@khennyou could also do it with JavaScript if you were so inclined15:48
@khennvar karmaRank = document.getElementById("karmaRank").value + 0;15:49
BartJolkhenn, he just tries to push me to learn more :)15:49
@khennah15:49
BartJolmmm I would expect it in sub view in Thread.pm16:03
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BartJolbut I don't see it16:27
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BartJolSynQ2 I did found out that the Rank is indeed reevaluted each time the karma gets updates16:36
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BartJoland will be $karma/$karmaScale16:36
BartJolthe new karma that is16:36
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BartJoljoh, SynQ2, lost interest?16:52
@khennanyone know why the SQL module is manually building references in buildArrayRefOfHashRefs, etc instead of using the built in DBI modules ($dbh->selectall_arrayref, etc)?16:59
@rizenprobably because whoever wrote it didn't look at that17:01
@khenndo you have an objection to me "fixing" it?17:02
SynQ2huh17:02
SynQ2no I didn't lose interest17:02
@khennI'm guessing the DBI modules are faster17:02
@khennbut I should probably benchmark it to be safe17:02
SynQ2I allready saw that indeed $karma/$karmaScale17:02
@rizenprovided that it produces the exact same data structure, then no i don't17:02
BartJolok, then I will continue17:02
SynQ2but that is not what I want to know17:02
BartJolI knpow17:02
@khennyeah it does17:02
SynQ2I want to know how a template variable can be created17:02
@khennit's actually really powerful17:02
SynQ2so that a separate template variable can be created that is called karmaRankInteger17:03
@khennso I'd like to add another module that allows you to  specify DBI attributes as well17:03
@preactionthe selectall_* methods are a recent (last 5 years) addition to DBI17:03
@preactionmainly because everyone was doing WebGUI::SQL around its clunky prepare, execute, fetch* crap17:03
@khennso are the build**RefOf**Refs modules17:03
SynQ2rizen: we are getting there in converting .avi to .flv and .mov17:04
@khennI want to benchmark them17:04
@khennbefore I do anything17:04
@khenncan also do some advanced error handling with those17:04
@khennI'll get back to you on results17:04
BartJolSynQ2 I understand, well I know how to create a template var, but to do it genericly from the float might be some more difficult17:06
@rizenSynQ2: huh?17:06
SynQ2bart: I would say that how a template var is created would be written somewhere in the developer book17:06
SynQ2and I don't have that book here17:06
BartJolwell, it's not in the index17:06
SynQ2I wouldn't have guessed it was in the index17:07
SynQ2but surely you must know how the template system works before you can submit code to WebGUI17:07
SynQ2since it is a best practice to template everything17:07
BartJolwell, I'm working on it...17:09
SynQ2ok17:09
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SDuensinGreetings.17:33
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@khenngood morning!18:07
BartJolmorning? it's almost spotted cow time18:08
@khennI don't respect timezones of third world countries! =)18:09
BartJoloh, so you'll drink along with us18:09
@khennhaha18:09
BartJolit was toooo easy18:10
SynQ2it has been proven that the us is a third world country18:10
SynQ2if you go there you are not allowed to give blood for a few months18:11
SynQ2ask joeri18:11
@khennmonths only?18:11
@khennif you travel outside the US you can't give blood for a year!18:11
SynQ2what if you go back to the US?18:11
SynQ2can you give blood then?18:11
BartJolbut my leg begins to have a normal color again18:11
SynQ2bart had spotted leg18:12
@perlmonkey2too much spotted cow will do that.18:12
@khennthat's a side affect of spotted coww18:12
BartJolaaah18:12
BartJolso last year I haven't drunk enough18:12
@khennand next year you'll drink more so you go home with spots all over!18:13
BartJolmore?18:13
BartJolrather not18:13
SynQ2I second that18:13
BartJolI'm getting the idea that I am figuring the karmaRank out btw18:14
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@khennanyone try google chrome yet?18:16
@khennIt's not available for the mac18:17
@khennbut I installed it on windows18:17
BartJolI have it installed18:17
@perlmonkey2BartJol: is all the hype correct?18:17
@khennI can't decide if I like it or not18:17
BartJolbut I am still a bit base-stuck to ff18:17
@khennI'll use it once it comes out for Mac18:18
@khennand see if I like it better18:18
@perlmonkey2They'll need to have firebug, firegestures, and web dev plugins for chrome before I'd consider it.18:18
BartJolwell, I'm not sure what "all the hype" is18:18
BartJolyeah, some more plug-ins are usefull18:18
BartJolit does look clean and simple though18:18
@perlmonkey2BartJol: like firefox did when it first came out? :P18:18
BartJol:) something like that18:19
BartJolkan make a screenshot18:19
@perlmonkey2I'd like to see it.  But none of that Dutch spotted cow porn in the shot.18:19
BartJolperlmonkey2: Hairgrease here, what ar firegestures18:26
BartJol?18:26
@preactionprobably mouse gestures for firefox18:26
@perlmonkey2BartJol: yes, what preaction said18:26
BartJolDon't call me Bart18:26
@preactionmove the mouse a certain way, and an action gets performed18:26
@perlmonkey2right click, draw a pattern and firefox does something (open a tab, switch tabs, whatever)18:26
BartJolIt's me MrHairgrease18:26
@perlmonkey2MrHairgrease doesn't autotab complete :p18:27
BartJolIt does on my box18:27
BartJolwhich MrHairgrease18:27
BartJol/usr/bin/MrHairgrease18:27
@perlmonkey2I fear to know what that does18:28
BartJolthat's prolly wise =)18:28
@preactionattempts to corner the market on hair-care products18:28
@perlmonkey2heh18:28
BartJolbut the chrome screenshot is now on www.bartjol.nl, just look at the capture filepile18:29
@perlmonkey2I see a Capture link, but it's of some goofy dork18:31
BartJolbut rendering is quite fast actually18:31
BartJoloh, sorry18:31
@perlmonkey2Yeah, the BMP loaded very fast18:31
@perlmonkey2must have a fast pipe18:32
@perlmonkey2or is that the standard upstream on a home connection in the Nehterlands?18:32
BartJoltry the some link again, this picture better?\18:33
@perlmonkey2In honor of Senator Ted Stevens, I think we should refer to 'pipe' as 'tubes', at least until he is safely locked away in federal prison :D18:33
@perlmonkey2did you commit, because I get the same image?18:34
BartJolversioning is off18:34
BartJolcache is empty now18:34
@perlmonkey2You are referring to the Capture_09032008 link below the front page image?18:35
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BartJolyeah18:36
BartJolyour browser cache?18:36
BartJolworks for me18:36
@perlmonkey2oh, I see it now18:36
@perlmonkey2:D18:36
@perlmonkey2Does look very sharp18:36
BartJolfrom the dutch version of bigboobs.com18:36
BartJolwanna have the link?18:37
@perlmonkey2hah18:37
BartJolnow I deleted it18:37
BartJolthere is no porn allowed on the procolix machines18:37
@perlmonkey2You must work for a slave driver18:39
BartJolwell, I get payed, that's an essential difference18:40
BartJollet's not talk about the rest of the circumstances18:40
BartJoland don't mention the egg18:40
@perlmonkey2If an egg is ever involved it is always best not to duscuss it.18:41
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BartJolwell, I'm supposed to go and drink beer now18:51
SynQ2tsk18:52
SynQ2then go18:52
BartJolbut SynQ2, I'm a bit further in understanding, allthough that is not full yet, so you'll have to wait some longer18:52
SynQ2ok18:52
SynQ2good18:52
BartJolalmost did a :wq on collaboration.pm18:53
BartJoldon't think I changed stuff, but those automitisms can't be good18:53
BartJolso maybe till tonight18:54
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elninohi!  are there any downloads frm the user workshops from the wuc available?19:22
snapcountthe presentation slides were up last week19:23
snapcountnot sure if they are still there19:23
elninoI saw the wuc/files - but they were all the thursday/friday conference ones.. Where there any from tuesday/wednesday?19:23
@rizenno 19:24
elninook.. thanks19:24
@rizenthere was almost 2 gigabytes of files for that19:24
@rizenso we didn't put it up19:24
elninooh. would it be possible to request them and have them emailed?19:24
elninomy users learned about and want to do banners on webgui - an area I'm totally unfamilier with. do I just give them ad manager permissions?19:25
@rizenwhat privileges you give them is up to you19:27
@rizenbut that will give them access to the ad manager19:27
@rizenthen they still have to have the rights to edit whatever theyw ant to put the ads on19:27
elninosure.  that's what I was looking for. I'm also assuming that advertising is for OTHER people to advertise on OUR site. They seem to want to put a banner on our own site, but to me that's the same as posting an image. So either they misunderstood, or I'm way off.. 19:28
kristielnino- they want to display rotating images using the ad system19:31
kristiI covered that with them19:31
kristiso they can rotate images of products that link to the products 19:31
SynQ2hi kristi19:31
kristihi SynQ219:32
elninooh ok. so it doesn't necessarily need to be ad space sold to a third party.19:32
kristielnino: they are understanding correctly, it's a great way to feature items on your site19:32
kristiwe do it on ours (PB) w the books and the WUC ad19:32
SynQ2kristi: how far do you live from Elk Grove Village, IL?19:33
elninokristi: are they expecting to be runningn 7.5? we currently only have 7.4.40.19:34
kristielnino: it will work in 7.4.4019:34
elninokristi: ok Thanks for clarifying!19:35
kristiSynQ2: about 2 hours19:35
SynQ2ah that is perfect19:35
kristifor?...19:36
SynQ2would Ryan be interested in a side job?19:36
kristiperhaps19:36
SynQ2there is a data center over there in Elk Grove Village19:36
kristiand how could Ryan be of help?19:37
SynQ2the only thing he'd have to do is some hardware juggeling19:37
SynQ2placing servers and/or replacing failed hardware19:37
SynQ2not a really hard job19:37
SynQ2but you have to be strong and deligent :)19:37
kristiI'll send you his email19:38
kristias long as it's legal and fairly easy, he might be interested19:38
SynQ2legal and fairly decent sounds like an accurate description19:39
SynQ2It will have to be done by someone I can trust19:40
SynQ2and I trust Ryan19:40
kristiok, I'll send you his email19:40
SynQ2thanks19:40
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xootomhi, anyone know where i can download the If macro?19:43
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@preactionxootom, it might be in the bazaar, otherwise dunno19:46
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+perlDreamermighty quiet today19:59
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xootomlooks like If was discontinued for security20:01
xootomcan i use tmpl_if on an environment variable (Env macro)?20:01
+perlDreamerxootom, macros are evaluated last?  So probably no.20:02
xootomi'm trying to make it possible to login and register from the mobile version of a site, and as a site can only have one 'default template' and login/reg templates, i need them to detect for it being a mobile device and show different templates accordingly20:03
xootomso I created an environment variable in the modperl.conf of each site, setting 'mobile' to 0 or 1 depending on which site the user comes in on. ^Env can display this value.20:04
xootomwant to assetproxy in, or conditional, different templates into default/login/registration templates20:04
xootomeither based on the env value, or i guess if the url includes 'mobi' or something20:05
xootommaybe i could just risk it with the if macro20:05
+perlDreamerwell, again, I'm pretty sure that macros are evaluated last, which means that they template logic has already been executed by the time the macro is checked.  It would be too late.20:06
+perlDreamerIn other words, macros won't help you here.20:07
xootomI can put ^Env("mobile"); in the default template, it shows 1 or 0 correctly depending on the site I use20:07
+perlDreamersure, but try to say <tmpl_if ^Env("mobile"); >true<tmpl_else>false</tmpl_if>20:07
+perlDreamerI don't think it will work the same20:07
xootomyeah that doesn't work, does that only work on actual template variables.. perhaps i need to create a template variable for the mobile flag, but would rather not modify webgui core20:08
SynQ2mr. perlDreamer20:09
SynQ2how areth thou?20:09
+perlDreamerxootom, one way that may work is to "clone" your site using packages, but using different templates on the two sites.20:09
+perlDreamerbut that's a lot of work20:09
+perlDreamerSynQ2: I'm okay.20:09
xootomdo you mean two completely separate sites, different user bases etc?20:10
+perlDreamerIt could be done with different branches off of one site so you can share users and groups20:10
+perlDreamerI'd ask this question in the HTML Design forum on webgui.org20:10
xootomit's just the default template/login/registration though as they can only be specified once in the site settings20:11
xootomthe rest of the site is correctly set up with mobile templates20:11
+perlDreamerxootom, can you use CSS magic to handle the different browsers (regular vs mobile)?20:11
xootommaybe, the mobile pages would be very basic, a hack would be a massive dynamic javascript output if it's a desktop browser20:12
+perlDreameralternately, just make the login/registration template very simple so that it works in both places.20:13
xootomyes that was last resort, as it'd make those pages look so different from the desktop version20:13
xootomthanks for your help perlDreamer20:13
+perlDreameryou're welcome20:14
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+perlDreamerSynQ2: Good flight back home?20:16
SynQ2sure20:18
SynQ2just a fair bit of turbulence20:18
+perlDreamerHas the Product Workflow RFE been rated yet?20:20
+perlDreamerAll the coding is done.20:20
@preactionperlDreamer, is that the one where the product is added to the cart?20:23
+perlDreamerpreaction: this is the workflow that checks to see if any product/variant is about to run out of stock.20:24
@preactionah, nice20:24
+perlDreamerIndeed.20:24
+perlDreamerEspecially since we fixed two Workflow bugs while writing the test for it.20:24
@preactionwhat were they? i've been having some workflow problems recently20:25
@preactionanything to do with workflow instances disappearing?20:25
+perlDreamerNo.20:26
+perlDreamerIt was difficult to create a Workflow instance programmatically20:26
+perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=738920:26
@preactionah20:26
+perlDreamerThe other one was a bug in Inbox/Message.pm20:26
+perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=739020:26
@preactiondurn... looks like i'm still fishing then20:27
@preactionbut tests++!20:27
@preactionalso, log4perl is awesome when you have to add tons of logger messages to track down some intermittent bugs20:29
@perlmonkey2Hmm, Devel::StackTrace failed to install in Cent5.2 WRE8.420:40
@perlmonkey2cpan search for scalar::list::utils returns List::MoreUtils20:43
@perlmonkey2Class::Data::Inheritable appears up to date in my 8.4 WRE for some reason, which is good.20:43
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luscan I have the same web server hosting webgui host other software20:45
luscan I host another vhost other than another webgui site?20:46
@preactionyes20:47
@preactionthough i wouldn't recommend it20:47
luspreaction: I cannot do it20:48
@preactionare you using the WRE's apache? there are things missing from it that might be affecting you (since they're not necessary in WebGUI)20:49
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luspreaction: I'm using centos, trying to run freeside on it too, behind an ipcop firewall20:50
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luspreaction: and Im getting the dansguardian screen - inappropriate content !!?? 20:51
@preactionuh... i don't know what dansguardian is20:51
@preactionbut it's not WebGUI20:51
juani have enabled mail from a colaboration system20:51
juanbut the account is a google account20:51
juanit works wiith google accounts?20:52
juanbecuase the smtp and pop port are different20:53
@preactioncan you set the pop3 port? say: pop.google.com:8000 20:53
juanand permit stablish ssl connections?20:54
@preactioni don't know. try it?20:55
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+perlDreamerthere has to be a better way to handle database schema changes across upgrades21:02
+perlDreamerthis is simply nuts21:02
topsubIn the EMS when i add a ticket and set a date and time, when i add it to the cart it shows a different time. Like 1pm  shows up as 18:00:06 in my cart / badge. Is this a bug? both timezones are the same21:11
+perlDreamerSounds like a bug to me.21:12
topsubalso does the ems allow you to buy 2 tickets that have the same start date?21:14
topsubi added a bug report with a screenshot for ya21:17
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@perlmonkey2Wow, I've somehow managed to mangle a Mac, Cent5.2, and an F9 WRE install21:55
@perlmonkey2I'm just that godo21:56
@perlmonkey2good21:56
ckotilnice.21:58
ckotilIve botched some wre installs myself21:58
+perlDreamerI have never botched a WRE install...21:58
@perlmonkey2Somehow though I must have mangled the system as well (although I'm not sure how that is possible using the WRE).  Because no matter how many times I blow everything away, make sure, unpack the WRE, 'svn -R revert .', I get the same result.21:59
@Haargit does the same with an automatic install?22:05
@perlmonkey2Haven't tried with automatic install.  But that would imply something was wrong with [HEAD] so other people should be having this problem.22:05
@Haargwell, there's still the log config file22:06
@Haargthat's all i can think of at least that the wre does extra22:07
@perlmonkey2hmm, here's a new one "proxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /"22:07
@khennDoes anyone know what this is doing inside the www_editEventMetaFieldSave method:   foreach ('label') {22:09
@khennit is obviously looping over each of the fields22:09
@khennbut I can't figure out what the default value is there22:09
@khennor where it's getting it from22:09
@khennpresumably it would be from the @_ stack22:09
@khennbut that doesn't make sense either22:09
@khenneh22:09
+perlDreamerit uses $_ as the loop variable22:10
@khennyeah22:10
+perlDreamerand iterates over the loop once, with the value label22:10
@khennI know that22:10
@khennwhat is it looping over?22:10
+perlDreamer'label'22:11
@khennforeach ('label')22:11
+perlDreameryes22:11
@khennthat's a string22:11
+perlDreamerJust one loop22:11
+perlDreamerit's a 1 element array22:11
@khennoh22:11
@khenneh22:11
@khennyeah I get it now22:11
@khennheh22:11
+perlDreamerperhaps a copy and paste of similar code from elsewhere?22:11
@khennthat's really bad22:11
@perlmonkey2what's the point of that?22:12
@khennexactly22:13
@khennit's a foreach loop which iterates over one thing22:13
@perlmonkey2and that $thing is a hard coded string.22:13
@khennI thought it might be some weird Perl way of doing something22:13
* perlmonkey2 double checks to make sure he didn't write it :P22:13
@khennbut no, it's just bad code22:13
+perlDreamersvn blame never lies22:13
@khennI'm pretty sure I know who did it22:14
@khenn=p22:14
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: so that is your push for GIT, it lies?22:14
+perlDreamerNo, my push for git is that it's easier to make private branches with version control22:14
+perlDreamerand lets me commit offline22:14
+perlDreamerbut git-svn seems like a good median22:15
+perlDreamerI just haven't tried it yet.22:15
@perlmonkey2I know, I was just kidding :) and git-svn does seem like a good stop-gap.  22:17
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@perlmonkey2I just don't get it.  The WRE perl's @INC is only looking at the prereq's paths.  So system perl modules shouldn't affect it.  So how is it that 8.3/4 [HEAD], 7.5.11, and last stable, all fail the same way with mod_proxy going into infinite loops.  A networking issue maybe?22:21
@perlmonkey2Okay I'm firing myself, I just suck too bad.22:22
@Haargonly thing i can imagine doing that would be a messed up mod_proxy config22:23
@perlmonkey2Haarg: I just had a glimmer of hope.  I always use www.test.com as my test domain, and then set localhost to that in /etc/hosts.  But I use local domain caching in my server, which was also hosting a www.test.com instance.  So maybe the mac was using dns over /etc/hosts?22:24
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@Haargi wouldn't think so22:25
@Haargwhat version of the wre are you using?22:25
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@Haargand can you post your site's modperl and modproxy configs somewhere?22:26
@perlmonkey2Haarg: tried 8.3 and 422:34
@perlmonkey2sure22:34
@perlmonkey2pastebin.com/d44f5974b22:36
@Haarghmm22:37
@perlmonkey2thoe should be pretty standard22:38
@Haargtry getting rid of those port 80 proxy lines22:38
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@perlmonkey2same Max-Forwards issue22:45
@Haargis it even proxying to the modperl server properly?22:59
@Haargcheck your access logs maybe22:59
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jlittlewoodHaarg-23:10
+perlDreamerHaarg++23:10
jlittlewoodHaarg- I tried that patch you told me about yesterday, but it didn't seem to work23:10
jlittlewoodha\23:10
jlittlewoodHarrg: 'twas re: getting export tab delimited to do its magic23:10
@Haargyeah23:10
jlittlewoodsadly the results were not what we were hoping23:11
@Haargare you certain you have Text::CSV_XS updated fully?23:11
jlittlewoodmm23:11
jlittlewoodno I am most def not certain of that23:11
jlittlewoodwhere does that live?23:11
@Haargwell, if you just run testEnvironment it will tell you23:11
jlittlewoodthat does not appear to be installed23:16
jlittlewooda key to the puzzle, if there ever was one23:16
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+perlDreamerHaarg: I'm working on the DataForm bug (fyi)00:32
@Haargwhich one?00:32
@Haargvalidation?00:33
+perlDreamereyah00:33
+perlDreameryeah00:33
@Haargyeah, should be simple.  just a boolean check instead of an undef/eq "".00:33
+perlDreamerline 137400:34
jlittlewoodHaarg: looks like we do have Text::CSV_XS installed00:34
@Haargthe correct version?00:34
@Haargalso, after using the patch, how does it fail?00:35
jlittlewoodChecking for module Text::CSV_XS:                 OK00:36
jlittlewoodis there more to it than that?00:36
jlittlewoodit fails by kicking you to the asset url00:36
@Haargcheck the logs, there might be something in there00:39
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+perlDreameranybody else having problem with autocommit in HEAD?00:53
@Haargno00:56
@Haargwhat kind of problems are you having?01:01
+perlDreamerIt won't process the autocommit workflows01:02
+perlDreamer2008/09/03 14:41:46 - ERROR - mywebgui.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance 'vMLSkFGtNW0wcMWjtyh5Ow': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 33401:02
+perlDreamersince I did a little mucking in there during the WUC, I got very worried01:02
+perlDreamerI restarted spectre, it seems to have resolved itself01:07
+perlDreamerNope, it's not resolved.01:09
+perlDreamerMy patch to Workflow::Instance.pm is causing workflow probelms.01:09
+perlDreamerwell, I was looking for something to do this afternoon :)01:09
CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7398 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added page range to paginator variables01:11
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+perlDreamerpreaction: still lurking about?01:29
@preactionyes01:29
+perlDreamerI think my patch to Workflow::Instance is causing those problems01:29
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@preactionuhoh01:29
+perlDreamerI'm having autocommit problems01:30
+perlDreamerwhen I revert the patch, they go away01:30
+perlDreamerthe funny thing is that I had to patch it to make creating workflow instances from tests work.01:31
+perlDreamerI'm going to revert it in SVN, and then try to figure out what's going on.01:31
+perlDreamerat least that way Spectre stuff will work again01:32
@preactioni can't see anything wrong, but create() might need the same change01:33
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+perlDreamerthe thing I don't get is why would you ever pass params from the Workflow Instance to the Activity that's being created?01:34
+perlDreamerline 33401:34
+perlDreamerWorkflow::Activity->new wants an activityId in that slot01:35
@preactioneval { WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate($class, $method, [$self->session, $params]) }; <- this line?01:35
+perlDreameryup01:35
@preactionthis is creating the pass-in object for the activity01:35
+perlDreamerYes01:35
@preaction$class is the object type of the pass-in object01:36
+perlDreameryes.  the problem field is $params01:36
+perlDreamerif you look at W::A->new, the second param is supposed to be the workflow activityId01:36
@preactionbut... there is no workflow object type of WebGUI::Workflow::Activity?01:37
+perlDreamer$className is the class of the activity itself, not the parent?01:37
+perlDreamerand they all inherit new from that master class01:37
@preactionno, it's the class of the pass-in object01:37
@preactionlike WebGUI::VersionTag01:37
@preactionor WebGUI::User01:37
@preactionour activity is instanciated at line 32201:38
+perlDreamerokay, let me rewind a sec01:38
+perlDreamerthen in WebGUI::VersionTag->new, the second param is not the parameters of the Workflow::Instance01:39
+perlDreamerit's a versionTagId01:39
+perlDreameroh dear01:39
@preactionright, which is why the value of the parameters column is a hashref with a single key, parameters, which contains the actual data01:40
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+perlDreamerhow do I force spectre to run a suspended workflow?01:48
+perlDreamernm, it just keeps retrying01:48
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@tavistohey Patspam02:13
patspamhey tavisto02:13
@tavistohow goes it?02:13
patspamstill getting over jet-leg02:14
patspamno TV from LAX to sydney.. united airlines are tightarses!02:14
@tavistogah.. no good02:15
@tavistoyeah I always try to fly NWA and when I go over to europe I am definitely going with KLM02:16
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@tavistowell it was great meeting you at the WUC this year. Great to have the face to put with the IRC name.02:16
patspamyeah likewise, was so awesome to meet all you guys at the WUC02:16
@tavistoyou'll be happy to know that next year we're going to try and work the IRC names into the namebadges :)02:16
patspamheh that will help02:17
patspamand the year after that we can have avatars02:17
SynQ2ok sleepy time02:20
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+cap10morganwhen using ldap w/ webgui, how do you specify the "search base"?04:29
elninohi. I'm missing the group "registered users"  for some reason.  Is this bad =)  can I just create it? or is there a way to recover it?  what is the default ID?04:29
+cap10morganI tried putting /dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org on the end of my LDAP URL, but i get Invalid DN then04:30
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@preactionelnino_laptop, the group can't be deleted, but it also doesn't show up in some group select boxes (since all users are automatically part of the Registered Users group)04:35
elnino_laptopit's not even displaying when I go into admin._ groups.04:35
elnino_laptopWEIRD04:35
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elnino_laptopI manually created a user, and I couldn't add them to the "registered group" I"m running 7.4.40.04:36
elnino_laptopI should be able to see it in those two places, right?04:36
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@tavistoI think because maybe it's already in the group?04:37
elnino_laptopI'm sorry, I must have been dreaming. I thought for sure I saw the group on my other site in the admin area.  So then the question arises, how to you email the group "registered users" if it isn't listed in admin->groups?04:39
@tavistowell I'm not for certain but that was my late night guess :)04:39
@perlmonkey2Ernisto is the guy who did the Debian release, rigth?04:40
@tavistoyep it's Ernesto04:40
@perlmonkey2tavisto: Any luck with SCT :P04:40
@perlmonkey2Hmm, I need to get a debian vm running with his package to see how he did a lot of things.  Looking at the Fedora packaging guidelines now and it doesn't look too bad.04:41
@tavistosct?04:43
elnino_laptopI'm trying to get email sent out from webgui, and my client is using gmail as the smtp server. I have ssmtp setup to point to the google servers, so do I just put localhost in webgui's settings?04:44
@preactionelnino_laptop, sendmail on the localhost is acting as a smart relay to google? then yes04:44
elnino_laptopyes.  So Good. Thanks!04:45
elnino_laptopSo then my other question remains. how do I send an email to the group "registered users" if it isn't listed under admin -> groups?  hmmm...04:45
@preactionit seems you dont. but you could, say, make a new group, and then add the "Registered Users" group to that group, then send a message to that new group04:48
@preactionthat might work04:48
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elnino_laptopit worked! Thanks!04:58
elnino_laptopI'll create a wiki for that.04:59
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CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7401 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added datatable installer. fixed some bugs. finished i18n05:32
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@tavistoperlmonkey2, well if at some point in the future you want to work on the fedora stuff... I have some emails I can forward you to all of the best resources to get started. We do have someone from the community who offered to do it previously. JT contacted him and he said to give him a few weeks06:11
@rizentavis i don't know if you watched the rnc tonight,b ut if you did you have to be happy about the palin and gulliani speeches06:15
@rizenthey were both very good speakers06:16
@tavistonope, I've been researching getting started areas and recovering from this brutal deep tissue massage I got on my spine earlier06:19
@tavistorizen, I am glad to hear they were good. I plan to watch them of course.06:19
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elninook. i'm confused. I have two sites. both are 7.4.40. One has a Newsletter asset the other doesnt. So I added "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter" thinking that would do it, but it doesn't. The one that has newsletter was build from 7.3.xx so maybe it's an old asset from back then?06:50
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elninoI see that Newsletter.pm is in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration. so maybe I'm missing a step.06:53
elninotried clearing cache06:57
+perlDreamerelnino, check the config file?06:58
elninoyep, that's where I added the Collaboratoin::Newsletter to the site that didn't have one. And restarted the services.06:58
elninothe default webgui didn't have it either.06:58
+perlDreamerWebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter06:59
elninoyep. that's what I got. I"ll triple check07:00
+perlDreamerI'll see if I can set up one, too07:00
elninocase and spelling correct too.07:01
+perlDreamer(kathy says hi)07:01
elninoI hope I'm not doing soething dumb.07:01
elninoHi Kathy!07:01
elninoIt was nice meeting her!07:01
elninocomma is in the correct place too.07:02
+perlDreamerOkay, I added this to my config file07:03
+perlDreamer      "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter",07:03
+perlDreamerto the assets section07:03
+perlDreamerrestarted WebGUI07:03
elninoyep.07:03
elninoyep07:03
+perlDreamerand it showed up in my Admin Bar07:03
+perlDreamerand I was able to add one to the site07:03
elninogrrr.07:03
+perlDreamerlog file?07:03
elninoI was looking. didn't see anythign, but now. oh. bad day. why is this back?07:04
elninowhere would wre's apache files be?07:06
+perlDreamer/data/wre/logs?07:06
* perlDreamer is not a WRE user07:07
elninosorry, the conf file.07:07
+perlDreamerno idea07:07
+perlDreamerusing SVN commands, how do you revert an earlier change to a file?07:12
elninoI don't know, but newletter showed up!!!07:14
+perlDreamerawesome!07:14
elninoI shut down everythign and noticed some orphan wre https so I killed them all. and restarted! YEAH!07:15
elninoI think I learned that trick from you or preaction.07:15
elninothanks!07:15
+perlDreamerI think it was preaction07:15
+perlDreameroh to do a revert: svn merge -c -versionNum https://repo07:16
+perlDreamerthe key is the negative version num07:16
elninoor maybe perlmonkey. I don't know you all are equally helpful. So how DO I transfer karma to you guys?07:16
+perlDreamerGood question.07:16
+perlDreamerYou go here: http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma07:17
+perlDreamerand use the form on the right07:17
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elninooh. I didn't see that there, I must not have been logged in at the time.  Thanks! karma coming!  Have a good night!07:20
elninopreaction what is your username on webgui.org?07:20
+perlDreamerHe is DBell07:21
elninoThanks!07:21
elninogood night.07:22
+perlDreamergood night, elnino07:22
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elninooh.. I was going to ask, Is there a way to display the registratoin form inline on another page i have in webgui?07:37
+perlDreamermaybe the HTTP proxy asset07:38
+perlDreameraside from that, I'm not sure07:38
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7402 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: rolling back 7389, since it seems to be causing problems with spectre07:46
elninoI was wondering about that..but it displays the deisng too. I'll see if I can cut the design off.07:46
+perlDreamerelnino, thank you very much for the karma, I threw in an RFE for a bonus.08:00
+perlDreamerWe'll see if rizen says that I can commit it for 7.608:01
+perlDreamer'night!08:01
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patspamgreat to see the karma economy at work08:22
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BartJolmorning15:19
@khennmorning15:22
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BartJolmmm after adding a subscription to a cart, you can't see the cart ?shop=cart doesn't seem to work16:20
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@bopbopgood morning16:38
BartJolhi16:38
@khennmorning16:38
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@rizenBartJol: i believe that's a bug in the current version that has already been fixed in the version that's going out today16:41
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BartJolah16:44
BartJolnice to know, I was looking whether it was a bug...16:45
BartJolwell, that is some relieve, thanks16:45
@perlmonkey2anyone have a link to the JT phenom video with the street interviews and news reporters?17:08
@rizenit's linked in the black blog17:08
@perlmonkey2oh, hah, missed that17:09
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BartJolJT venom video?17:17
@rizenphenom not venom17:17
BartJolno fangs? too bad...17:19
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@rizenthat would have been at the town hall meeting where i went off on koen17:21
SDuensinGreetings.17:22
@perlmonkey2You went off on Koen?  Do we get to hear the details of the drama?17:28
BartJolKoen's still in shock...17:30
BartJolwhich means that he keeps talking17:30
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@bopbopI enjoyed the part where lightning bolts shot out of JT's head17:39
@bopbopthere was also the pulsing vein17:39
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+perlDreamerpreaction: what does pagination.range do?18:20
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@preactionperlDreamer, shows the number of records in the page, so "start-end"18:21
+perlDreamerCool.  Thanks.18:21
SDuensinWhoa.  perlDreamer didn't know something?18:25
+perlDreamerSDuensin, that's only the tip of what I don't know.  Just ask my wife ;)18:26
SDuensinhehehehe18:26
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topsubanyone good with the yui grid?18:48
+perlDreamernope, sorry topsub18:49
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+perlDreamerIs anyone else allowed to post on the new templates discussion board?19:04
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topsubNope19:31
topsubor if i am i don't know about it19:31
+perlDreamerHuh, from a dev board posting, I guess it's private.19:42
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7403 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm: RFE: add a back to site link to the account option list20:34
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7404 /branch/colin-experimental/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): add a starting index to the asset class iterator20:34
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7405 /branch/colin-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): RFE: product quantity checking workflow with test and i18n20:34
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7406 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: add i18n for the pagination.range template variable20:34
@perlmonkey2Do we use any other OO method than Class::InsideOut?20:35
+perlDreamerJust standard perl5 OO20:35
@perlmonkey2blessed hashes/20:35
+perlDreameryawp20:36
+perlDreamerWhy do you ask?20:36
@perlmonkey2I need to iterate through my anon objects and that is about impossible without typing out every member name in Class::IO20:36
@perlmonkey2object members I mean20:36
BartJoljoohoo, I am not totally incapable for everything!20:36
BartJolhee, colin, making more work for me I see20:37
@perlmonkey2the JSON collateral will be loaded into objects which needed to be able to interate through their members without me typing out every single one.  Else I'd have 400 lines of code of just encoding/decoding json :P20:37
+perlDreamerBartJol: Just saving the world through proper i18n20:37
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Assets will not be Class::InsideOut for a while20:37
+perlDreamerdoes that help?20:38
BartJolyou superhero20:38
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: were you asking me if that helped or bart?20:38
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: you20:38
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yes, definetely20:39
+perlDreamerexcellent20:39
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+cap10morganhere's a strange one. spectre is getting 502 proxy error from a bunch of my sites, but when i curl http://www.site.org:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData from the same host, it works just fine20:52
+cap10morganany idea what that's about?20:53
@rizenperlDreamer: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/view-profile/221:11
@rizenwhy so vague?21:11
@rizenis it commited or not?21:11
@rizenwhy "ready a commit"21:11
+perlDreamerrizen: In the past I've always let you know when it is done.  then you say when it's okay to commit it or not.21:24
@rizenit's a bug fix21:25
@rizenit's not an rfe21:25
@rizenfix bugs and get them in as quickly as possible21:25
+perlDreamerI'll commit it now :)21:25
@rizenif we need to fix your fix we'll do it21:25
+perlDreamerrizen, it's not a bug, it's an rfe21:26
@rizenit's got a bug url 21:26
@rizenhow did that happen21:26
+perlDreamerMust have been a bug that was moved off of the bug board into the RFE21:26
@rizencommit21:27
+perlDreamercommitted21:30
@rizenyou rock21:31
@Haarghrm21:36
@Haargthing with no fields becomes nicely busted21:36
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metanilhow to get the ipaddress of particular session?? (sth like $self->session->ipAddress??)21:44
+perlDreamermetanil: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Env21:44
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7407 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm): add a return to site link in account options21:49
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zylopfaGreetings all 21:55
+perlDreamerhowdy21:55
zylopfaCan i ask a little question about warnings in my logs?21:56
+perlDreamersure!21:56
+perlDreamerIf you have lots of them, please use a paste site21:56
zylopfaIts on 1 site only :D Its the warning:  The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.21:56
zylopfa WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785] - The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.21:57
zylopfathats the whole liek21:57
zylopfaline21:57
+perlDreamerIt says "*" <- asterisk ?21:57
zylopfayeah21:57
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+perlDreamerI'd say that someone typed in the wrong URL21:57
zylopfaI am suspecting maybe some workflow21:57
zylopfaohh21:57
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+perlDreamer* is not a legal URL character21:58
+perlDreamerit would be filtered out when the asset is created21:58
miloidrrperlDreamer hi21:58
+perlDreamerhowdy, miloidrr21:58
miloidrrI want to show you my new webgui site21:58
miloidrrwww.rockemite.fm21:58
zylopfaWill take a look :D21:58
+perlDreamerOh, yes.  I know that y'all have been working on that for a while.21:58
+perlDreamerIs it all done now?21:58
zylopfaperlDreamer, it seems like its whenever i view the sites main page. But how can urls be wrong when its the correct url to the site :O21:59
+perlDreamerzylopfa: Are there any macros on the page?22:00
miloidrrYer perlDreamer, the site has an radiostation create by the users, all by webgui22:00
miloidrras youtube22:00
+perlDreamernice :)22:00
zylopfaHmm no macros perlDreamer 22:03
zylopfaDo you know what the number mean: WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785]22:03
zylopfathe 178522:03
+perlDreamerthat's the line in the file22:03
+perlDreamerWebGUI/Asset.pm, line 178522:04
zylopfalol ohh ofc22:04
+perlDreamerzylopfa, here's a few things to try.22:04
+perlDreamerin etc/log.conf, change the level to DEBUG and restart the webservers22:04
+perlDreamerthen reload the home page and see if it tells you more22:04
+perlDreamermiloidrr, so you must have solved your XML from Collaboration System problem to make the radio station work?22:05
miloidrrIm has solved this problem22:06
zylopfaThanks a lot perlDreamer22:07
zylopfaMaybe its something with language support files, as i run visitor users in Danish language22:07
+perlDreamerThat would be an easy problem, zylopfa.22:07
zylopfayeah22:08
+perlDreamerthe only thing I can think of is somewhere on your front page is a piece of code trying to look up an asset by the URL *22:08
+perlDreamerwhat's the URL?22:08
zylopfahttp://www.dorthediness.dk/22:09
+perlDreamerin the db, does "SELECT assetId from assetData where url='*'; return anything?22:10
zylopfanone at all22:10
+perlDreamerIs this site in development, or is it live?22:11
zylopfaits live22:11
zylopfaI am hosting 6 sites atm on the installation22:11
+perlDreamereverything works as expected?  No missing or broken elements?22:12
zylopfayeah it all work22:12
zylopfaits after upgrade it happend22:12
zylopfafrom 4.20 to the newest22:12
+perlDreamer4.20?22:12
+perlDreamerWebGUI 4.20?22:12
+perlDreamersurely you mean 7.4.20?22:13
zylopfayeah sorry22:13
+perlDreamerI need to head to an appointment.  I'll be back on later.  Keep plugging away, zylopfa.22:14
+perlDreamerMaybe you could persuade BartJol to look at it, too.22:14
zylopfaThanks a lot and thanks for help22:14
zylopfathe debut thing is real good, insane much you can see22:14
zylopfaall the queries and stuff22:14
+perlDreameryeah, sometimes too much22:14
zylopfaindeed22:14
zylopfahaha this is strange, the good log told me a query of:22:19
zylopfaselect asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 122:19
zylopfawith '*' as the placeholder url22:19
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BartJoloh zylopfa sorry, I mist a bit22:43
zylopfaAhh its ok, i am just getting tons of warnings on my site 22:43
zylopfaThe URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.22:43
zylopfaI dont know what makes these22:44
zylopfabut i put debug in the logging facility22:44
zylopfaand it is make a sql query like this:22:44
zylopfaselect asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 122:45
zylopfawith '*' as the placeholder22:45
zylopfadont know what wobject / asset etc. that make that query22:45
zylopfaHAHA I found it I think22:48
zylopfaI was tailing the access log22:48
BartJoloh, was just getting to look22:48
zylopfaAnd i can see22:48
zylopfaOPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)22:48
BartJolsuspension...22:48
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BartJolnever seen that one22:49
zylopfaSo it must be the LDAP thing22:49
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BartJolah22:49
zylopfathat think it has to do something22:49
zylopfaso i am gonna check if some ldap things are mistakenly set on22:50
BartJolok will be around22:50
zylopfaThanks a lot friend22:50
BartJoldidn't do anything yet :)22:51
zylopfaI have found something more22:52
zylopfaI was in LDAP connections in admin22:52
zylopfaDefault LDAP Connection:Invalid22:52
zylopfaI dont use anything with LDAP but maybe its trying something22:52
BartJolgonna have a look22:53
zylopfaIts the Visitor user22:53
zylopfathat is the user noted in the logs22:53
zylopfaand it says: (internal dummy connection)22:54
BartJoldoes the visitor use ldap authentication?22:56
BartJolmy grep on the error message is working22:56
zylopfaNo, LDAP auth is disabled from the site not even login possibilities22:56
zylopfaI tried to delete the ldap link22:57
zylopfathe default one22:57
BartJolah, maybe you just have that as it was22:57
zylopfaI am watching the log in awe, to see if the Warning comes again22:57
miloidrrperlDreamer hi again22:57
miloidrrI need create a glosary of words22:58
BartJolI think he's gone right now22:58
zylopfayeah hes out atm22:58
zylopfadamn it22:58
zylopfa::1 - Visitor [04/Sep/2008:21:36:08 +0200] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)"22:58
zylopfaWhat is an internal dummy connection?22:58
miloidrrWhat is the best to make it?22:58
BartJolI think it's ldap://ldap.mycompany.com:389/o=MyCompany22:59
zylopfaIt happens the same time in the log when i get the "The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree." warning22:59
zylopfaI am trying to isolate what makes the sql statement22:59
zylopfawhere the url is set to *22:59
BartJolno internal dummy connection found...23:00
BartJolit's i n asset .pm23:00
BartJol:)23:01
@Haargit's something related to using apache 2.223:02
zylopfaSo its intended?23:02
@Haargyeah23:02
@Haargit's an internal part of apache23:03
zylopfaMaybe its spectre polling the webserver?23:03
zylopfaahhh ok23:03
@Haargyou could probably make a rewrite rule to ignore it so it wouldn't show up in the webgui logs23:03
zylopfaI might take LOG WARN off then its every minute or so i get 10 lines of warnings23:03
zylopfaahh good idea23:03
@HaargRewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*internal\ dummy\ connection.*$ [NC]23:04
@HaargRewriteRule . - [L]23:04
zylopfaIts only one of the sites i host that make it23:05
@Haargor something similar23:05
zylopfathanks a lot23:05
BartJolmiloidrr: sorry, your glossary?23:06
zylopfaLike a "page" with words and their meaning?23:06
zylopfaI'd use the collaboration system and modify the "link list" template23:07
zylopfa(Collaboration System Template) 23:07
zylopfaThe Collaboration system is genius cause many things users have to make themselves they format wrongly23:09
zylopfawith collaboration system you can just tell them to input things and then it show as you indended it to23:09
BartJolwith articles you have to rearrange them23:10
zylopfaYeah23:10
+perlDreamermiloidrr, I think the DataForm23:11
BartJolwith drag and drop, that won't have to be that bad23:11
+perlDreamerTell it to view the table/list by default23:11
zylopfaPropably best with dataform23:12
zylopfaNo wait23:12
zylopfaI think its best with collaboration system23:12
zylopfaas you can sort it by title, which is the same as the Words in your glosary23:12
zylopfahttp://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home <- the left menu bar is made with collaboration system23:13
zylopfaAnd by tweaking the template just a bit you can have a glossary system instead of a linklist23:14
zylopfaits the same data nearly23:14
zylopfaTitle, description23:14
zylopfaand you can sort it on title23:14
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zylopfaand also use the paginator feature if your glossary is more than n entries long23:15
wgGuest10hello everyone23:15
BartJolhi23:15
zylopfaGreetings wgGuest10 23:15
+perlDreamerhow about a Thingy?23:16
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zylopfaIts to much for only something which have a title and a description imo23:16
zylopfathe collaboration system have all things needed also23:16
+perlDreameryeah, that's why I was thinking DataForm23:16
zylopfayeah propably more lightweight than collaboration sys also23:16
BartJolI have it: snippets!23:16
zylopfaahhaha nooo23:16
BartJol:)23:16
zylopfaIt must be somewhat automagical23:17
wgGuest10ok, i'm either wanting to be really stupid today, or i've looked at this computer too long. can webgui except flash and other programs?23:17
BartJolit can actually23:17
zylopfayeah wgGuest10 23:17
+perlDreamerwgGuest10: WebGUI can upload and download flash, but playing flash is different23:17
+perlDreameryou need an embedded flash player for that23:17
zylopfaits nothing to do with the webgui23:17
BartJolwell, there is a flash player in the rich editor23:17
zylopfaflash is played on your browser, webgui can serve the files yes23:17
wgGuest10can i load my existing webist onto webgui23:18
BartJolbut it's a bit picky on what kinda23:18
wgGuest10website*23:18
+perlDreamerwgGuest10, yes.23:18
zylopfamiloidrr are you still with us? 23:18
+perlDreamerLook in the Bazaar section on www.webgui.org23:18
wgGuest10ok thanks23:19
+perlDreamermy turn for asking questions:  I want to build a site where the gatewayUrl is /webgui.  How do I configure Apache to do that?23:19
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zylopfawhat do you mean with gateway url?23:20
zylopfathe default start url?23:20
+perlDreamerit's a config file option23:20
zylopfalike normal /home?23:20
zylopfaohh23:20
BartJolbut you can set your homepage right?23:22
zylopfacant it just be set in the config file like oyu say?23:23
zylopfa "gateway" : "/",23:23
+perlDreameryes23:23
zylopfa "gateway" : "/webgui",23:23
+perlDreamerbut I think Apache needs some config as well23:23
+perlDreamermaybe not23:23
zylopfahmm23:23
+perlDreamerI should just try it :)23:23
zylopfaI hope not23:23
zylopfayeah i think so23:23
zylopfaDoes anyone know a good way for multi language sites?23:24
zylopfaI saw Koen had a question about it long ago on the forums but no answer23:24
+perlDreamerit's hard to do multisite on WebGUI23:24
zylopfaahh23:24
+perlDreamerMost people will build a separate branch on the site23:25
+perlDreamerthen make a package of the main site and deploy it on the side branch23:25
+perlDreamerthen translate it23:25
zylopfaSometimes i just thing i make http://en.titlandata.dk23:25
zylopfaand copy the site in danish to the new one23:25
+perlDreameryup23:25
zylopfaI was thinking of just copinging the entire db and site branches to another site23:25
zylopfaas they are in 2 different databases anyway it should work23:26
+perlDreamerno need to do that, you can use a Redirect URL to just go to the other branch.23:26
zylopfaBut the maintainence is 2 sited23:26
zylopfayeah i could make a branch also23:26
zylopfainstead of subdomaing for 2 different sites23:27
zylopfaMakes more sense to keep it on 1 site also23:27
zylopfathen you can reuse content elements23:27
+perlDreameryes, same user database, groups, lots of good reasons23:27
zylopfayeah ofc23:27
zylopfalol its a damn mess i'd have made23:27
zylopfathanks for clearing it with me23:27
zylopfaElse it would be an endless syncronisation between them23:28
zylopfaperlDreamer, 23:28
zylopfaI have a good idea i think23:28
+perlDreamerWhat is it?23:28
zylopfaMostly you have text inside the Articles right?23:28
+perlDreameryes23:29
zylopfaDamn that wont work23:29
zylopfaI was gonna make a macro to get the english text from a database23:29
zylopfataking the asset id23:29
zylopfabut its not good23:29
zylopfacause text sould be entered into the asset23:29
+perlDreamerI wonder if there are RFEs with good ideas in them for that?23:30
zylopfayeah 23:30
zylopfaOr maybe you could make a new Article asset23:30
zylopfathat was the same as the old23:30
zylopfabut with "Language" selector23:30
zylopfaso you could put different texts for different languages23:31
zylopfaOhh i know23:31
+perlDreamerif you did it with JSON, it would make it easier than doing different db columns for each languages23:31
zylopfaThe defailt bars is:23:31
zylopfaProperties, Dispaly, Security, Metadata23:31
zylopfaright23:31
zylopfabut then you could have additional bars for other languages23:31
zylopfaperhaps sub bars under display23:32
zylopfaUnder properties i mean23:32
zylopfabut it might be to cluttered23:32
+perlDreameryeah23:32
+perlDreamerafter 4-5 languages it would be bad23:32
zylopfaTrue23:32
zylopfaI wonder how it could be done best23:33
+perlDreamerI liked your language selector idea23:33
BartJollanguages...23:33
BartJolGarbish is all you need right23:34
zylopfaI am making my business site to english also23:34
zylopfaso i have thought a bit about it23:34
zylopfaThe i18n is good but its only for internal stuff23:35
BartJolyeah, but your always stuck with a human translation23:35
zylopfaand the text for the assets themselves, not their content23:35
zylopfaahah true BartJol 23:35
zylopfaThe danish translationi s only 2% done23:35
BartJolwell23:35
zylopfaI am working on it step by step23:35
BartJolgood job23:36
+perlDreamerzylopfa, you need to hire some college students to help you out, or something23:36
+perlDreamerit's a lot to translate23:36
zylopfayeah i need it23:36
BartJoland one day, one glorious day, you will get a 100% translated, my child23:36
zylopfaAlso i need some good translations for things that arent in danish23:36
zylopfayeah!!23:36
* perlDreamer bows to BartJol23:37
BartJolget up23:37
+perlDreamerOh Great Translator, shower us with your i18n wisdom and knowledge23:37
BartJolmmm, are you making fun of me?23:37
zylopfaIs the maintainers of the different assets fast to change the labels?23:37
+perlDreamerOh yes23:37
BartJolthey do23:37
zylopfathen it can be hard to maintain the other language set of it23:38
BartJolso it's like garden or woman maintenance, it will never stop23:38
zylopfaahah yeah23:38
+perlDreamerwhich assets are you talking about, zylopfa?23:38
zylopfaJust all of the Wobjects23:38
zylopfaand macros23:38
+perlDreamerand the operations23:38
+perlDreamerand the workflows23:38
zylopfaahah yeah23:38
zylopfainde admin interface ++23:39
BartJoland more23:39
+perlDreamerany label that you want changed, just submit a bug for it23:39
+perlDreamerit usually gets fixed the same day23:39
+perlDreamerbut23:39
zylopfaI change it myself in the i18n.webgui.org23:39
BartJolyou can't change the english23:39
zylopfaahh thats true23:39
+perlDreameryeah, for changing english, submit a bug23:39
+perlDreamerfor another language, i18n.webgui.org23:39
zylopfaNot so many problems with the english one23:39
zylopfajust hard to follow up if the designers change some labels a lot23:40
zylopfathen the other translations will have to file new ones23:40
BartJolyeah well thosde ar checked quite some times23:40
zylopfaahh23:40
BartJolmostly there are only major translations with new assets or revisions of them23:41
zylopfaI am gonna make "Multilanguage Article" project23:41
BartJolas on operation?23:41
zylopfait will ofc inherit all Article operations23:41
zylopfaand i will ad my own language stuff23:41
BartJolsounds cool, but not straightforward23:42
BartJolnew? WebGUI hacker here I see23:42
zylopfaIt will be a Wobject23:42
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zylopfaI have worked with webgui for some years23:42
BartJolah23:42
BartJolgood23:42
zylopfabut its after i made a company to make websites and designs i realy got into it23:42
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zylopfahttp://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home  is my site for the company, its under development23:43
zylopfaso its on a test domain23:43
BartJolI can almost read it :)23:43
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zylopfaahah nice23:43
zylopfacan you see the "ticker " on the top?23:44
zylopfaits a news bar23:44
BartJolI do23:44
zylopfaand its taken from a collaboration system asset23:44
zylopfaso i can easy add new news23:44
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BartJolah, we have that on a site somewhere23:44
zylopfaI love the collaboration system23:45
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BartJolyou make a kinda sql report and put it into a javascript23:45
BartJolbut that's old23:45
zylopfaI made a macro for it23:45
BartJolcool23:45
zylopfaI am also playing with the Thingy now23:46
zylopfaon a dream diary site 23:46
BartJoloh cool23:46
zylopfaOnly thing with thingy is that you cant "own" the records you enter23:46
BartJoland you can connects through dreams>23:46
zylopfaahah yeah :D23:46
BartJolthat be cool23:46
zylopfaI am making sql reports from the thingie23:47
doc777Hello everyone. Sorry to interrupt...  Can anyone tell me a sqlquery to select new user accounts over the last 24 hours? I see the dateCreated field is an (int) and not a time stamp...23:47
zylopfabut its not so safe23:47
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BartJolit's an epoch time23:47
zylopfacause if the records are not owned by anyone23:47
BartJolso that's an int23:47
zylopfadoc777, a moment i shoe you23:47
doc777Thank you, confused ;)23:47
+perlDreamerselect userId,username from users where time-dateCreated < 24*60*60;23:48
+perlDreamersomething like that23:48
BartJoland in an sql statement you can ask for at as a normal datestamp format23:48
BartJol84600?23:48
BartJol86400?23:48
BartJollast one23:49
doc777testing that ;)23:49
+perlDreamerperlbot: 24*60*6023:50
+perlDreamerperlbot: help23:50
perlbot(fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip)23:50
+perlDreamerperlbot: math 24*60*6023:50
perlbot8640023:50
doc777unknown column time in where....23:50
zylopfadoc i am on it23:51
zylopfaSECOND23:51
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7408 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm: updating POD for Session/Url to talk about gateway URL23:52
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7409 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): continue link from message on login did not look at gateway url23:52
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7410 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): backporting auth continue link from HEAD23:52
BartJolUNIX_TIMESTAMP23:52
+perlDreamerselect userId,username from users where unix_timestamp()-dateCreated < 86400;23:52
zylopfaselect users.userId, users.username, users.status, users.dateCreated, users.lastUpdated from users23:53
zylopfawhere (UNIX_TIMESTAMP(now())- users.dateCreated)< 86400 order by users.dateCreated23:53
zylopfathats the way ^23:53
doc777Both work, thank you! That had me scratchin my head a bit there....23:54
zylopfaahah ok23:54
miloidrrZylopfa, im here again23:54
zylopfaAwesome did you figure it out?23:54
zylopfathe glossary23:54
miloidrrI need to create a glossary to my site23:55
zylopfayeah i can easy help you23:55
miloidrrI think that i can do it with a cs23:55
BartJoldoc777, it depends what you want to show, but status and userId may not have to be selected, only the ones you use23:55
zylopfacs is very good for it23:56
BartJolzylopha no offends meant23:56
zylopfaand it will be sorted for title whis is your word in the glossary23:56
zylopfano offence taken BartJol 23:56
BartJol:)23:56
BartJolyee, my english is slowing down again23:57
doc777we added a "how did you find us" question when registering on the site and would like a report generated on it. So looks like we have to pull the new users then query the profile data to get that field. So it is a work in progress ;)23:57
miloidrrTks zylopfa23:57
zylopfano problem23:58
miloidrrIm goin to do in a cs23:58
zylopfai can help you with the template, but I took the link list or faq one and modified it23:58
miloidrrTks zylopfa23:58
zylopfaor rather copied it to my template directory for the site and edited it there :D 23:58
zylopfaAny time23:59
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+perlDreamerall right00:07
+perlDreamerWho is flooding the bug board?00:07
* Haarg raises hand00:09
+perlDreamerHe who floods, must fix!00:10
@Haargyeah, i'll probably be fixing most of what i posted00:10
@Haargi just don't want to forget00:10
@Haargi have tons of other stuff floating around to take care of00:10
+perlDreamerYeah, the WUC put us all behind.00:11
+perlDreamerbut it was fun :)00:11
@Haargwasn't just the wuc00:11
+perlDreamereven though Martin's laptop did take a beating00:11
@Haargeven before that i had large things scheduled for this week00:11
zylopfaperlDreamer, the Article with more languages in the content. we spoke of00:13
+perlDreameryes, zylopfa?00:13
zylopfaI am making it as a normal article but in the bottom of properties00:13
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zylopfai make a field00:13
zylopfaWhats Next?:  "Add a language"00:14
zylopfaand from there you can as as many as you want00:14
zylopfalike its done in the Survey asset00:14
zylopfaits with questions00:14
+perlDreamerCool00:14
zylopfabut i just make it with languages 00:14
BartJolwell if you can make "sister articles", you may even get nortification that you changed one but not the other00:15
zylopfaahh yeah00:15
zylopfa1 have to be the "main" language article00:16
zylopfaand under that is the translations to the languages 00:16
zylopfaIt will be fun to make it00:16
BartJolIt would00:16
BartJolat would take some time to do it properly00:16
zylopfayeah00:17
zylopfait will have to be inherriting all from Article also00:17
zylopfaBartJol, are there any good ways to tell what language you are from?00:18
zylopfaAs visitor user i mean00:18
BartJollike ip based you mean?00:18
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zylopfaBut its not certain you are from that country00:18
BartJolno00:18
zylopfamaybe from the browsers header things00:19
zylopfathe useragent one00:19
BartJolthat might be00:19
zylopfabut what the heck00:19
zylopfathey can select language on the site00:19
BartJolit should be optional, seems like a slowing feature00:19
zylopfaand then its saved in the session table00:19
zylopfathat should be the main way to keep track00:20
zylopfato save it with user session stuff00:20
zylopfawhen the user press the language button on the site00:20
BartJolyou can do that with branches00:20
BartJolwebgui language is a bit harder00:21
zylopfayeah but i dont want it to branch00:21
zylopfait shall be seamless00:21
BartJolI'm curious00:21
zylopfathats why i make the articles content in more languages when you create the article00:21
zylopfayou can choose that yourself00:21
zylopfa"Add A new Language to this article"00:22
zylopfaand then you are displayed with a new form that look like the normal article00:22
BartJolwell, maybe there already is a rfe for it00:22
zylopfawhere you choose the language00:22
zylopfaBartJol, yeah there might be00:22
zylopfaIt has to be site wide also, so all other assets will have to have it in00:23
zylopfaso it propablt not good to make it for Articles only00:23
BartJolnope00:23
zylopfaFor wobjects then00:23
zylopfabut the assets still have to know the language stuff00:23
BartJolwell, I can't estimate how much work would be involved00:24
zylopfaso much has to be made different00:24
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zylopfaMaybe its overkill to make00:24
BartJolalso hard to couple wobject languages to session00:24
zylopfayeah00:24
BartJolif you can make it, put it on the bazaar00:25
zylopfaDoes other CMS systems have the feature?00:25
BartJolif it is pluggable00:25
zylopfayeah00:25
BartJoldunno actually00:25
zylopfaThe reason i choose webgui was that it was perl based00:25
zylopfagoogle: perl cms 00:26
zylopfathen i took it from there00:26
zylopfaI hate the way many program in php00:26
zylopfaits always text and code mixed00:26
zylopfaand a million includes00:26
zylopfaatleast last time i read some php code00:26
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BartJolgoing to bed...00:32
BartJolnigthy nigth00:32
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Lisettehello how to do a sql report with parameters?01:46
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+perlDreamermorning, patspam01:53
+perlDreamerCan I ask you a question about the template team?01:53
patspamshoot01:53
+perlDreamerWhy is the mailing list restricted?01:54
patspami have no idea, in fact i only read the emails about it on the dev list 15 seconds ago01:54
patspamclosed is never my preferred approach01:57
+perlDreamerme, too01:58
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+perlDreamerbad connection, patspam?02:09
patspamheh, just messing with my pidgin settings02:11
patspamtrying to get it to suppress the join messages02:11
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patspamperlDreamer: I've read through the board now, i agree, i think it should be open02:27
patspami've said as much in the board02:27
+perlDreamerWhen I posted back to rogier's dev list post, I said the same thing.02:28
@tavistopatspam, the WUC photo galleries are ready for your images02:29
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patspamah sweet02:29
@tavistowww.plainblack.com/wuc and then photos page02:29
@tavistoall of the old CS photo galleries have been converted to the new asset. yay02:29
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patspamnice work02:30
patspamcan i / should i post to the "WUC 2008" gallery? or do i need to create my own?02:31
@tavistopost to the wuc 200802:31
patspamah see now you're exposing my Gallery incompetence02:31
patspamwhere do i post?02:31
@tavistoyeah I'm glad that JT had time to convert all those from the old assets02:31
@tavistothe easiest way to do it is to throw your images into a zip file02:32
patspamand where's the upload box? maybe i don't have permissions?02:33
@tavistowell I just logged out and I'm wondering now if we're letting peeps upload them from the community.. let me check permissions02:34
@rizenwahoo!02:37
@rizeni just used the new status/tracking number feature in the shop02:37
@rizenmost everything pb does is online, so we don't need to ship anything02:37
@rizenbut someone bought a gooey with karma02:37
@rizenso i got to use that feature02:37
patspamShop++02:38
@tavistorizen, did you just enter the # manually?02:38
@rizenyes02:39
@rizenhow else would i have done it?02:39
@tavistodunno.. I have no experience with that02:39
@rizeni suppose in the future we may have some shipping plugin integration02:40
@rizenthat will generate tracking numbers right there02:40
@rizenbut right now our only shipping plugin is webgui generic ...not specific to a shipper02:40
@tavistocoolio, then I suppose if customer views purchase history they can see that info as well02:40
@rizeni also see that the new transaction system is showing us that people are trying to purchase with stolen credit cards02:40
@rizenyup...they can02:41
@tavistowow really.. nice heh02:41
+perlDreameris that a feature, or a bug? ;)02:41
@tavistoI was just sitting here waiting around to try and edit the wuc galleries settings and it was taking forever... I just realized that I was using the edit album option accidentally.. lol02:42
@rizenyeah the gallery needs some serious performance tuning02:42
@rizeni've posted a bug about that02:43
@tavistoyeah it's slooooo02:43
+perlDreamerSorry, no more bugs02:43
+perlDreamerThe bug list is full02:43
@tavistobut hey, I'm going to change the group to add files to registered users if that's okay.. so our attendees can upload pics to wuc 0802:43
@tavistounless you'd rather me setup a cs and have peeps upload their zips there02:44
@rizenisn't it already registered users?02:45
@rizeni thought i set that02:45
@tavistonah admins.. comments is set to reg users tho02:45
@tavistoi can change it then02:45
@tavistopatspam, you should be good to go now.. zip and upload my brotha02:46
@tavistoclick add a photo and then click on the zip archive button and you're set02:48
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knowmadCan one of the webgui.org site admins make rogier's post "The goal" a sticky post?03:29
knowmadI think it'd be worthwhile to keep that focus as discussions progress03:30
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patspamtavis: just running off to a meeting, will post em when i get back!03:34
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@tavistono problem patspam, I just updated a bunch of the captions. I'm off to dinner.. ttyl03:45
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@perlmonkey2Anyone thinking of using JSON as collateral, all I have to say is what can be blessed can be unblessed (KABLAM!!!!)   <------special effects to help make point.04:00
@perlmonkey2I guess before making that point, maybe I should check to see if people are already doing that and I'm just late to the game.04:01
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@perlmonkey2So, is this brilliant or just obvious?  Take a blessed object, unbless it, encode the resultant hash, store in DB.  Grab the JSON from the DB, decode it, bless it as that object again.  Magic or not?07:22
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@perlmonkey2Okay, I agree, lame.07:24
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* patspam looks around for the "add a photo" button in the WUC Gallery08:01
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7411 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: Fix a bug where Show Message on Login didn't work with anonymous08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: registration for WebGUI auth. Added POD to the Auth createAccountSave08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: method to detail that what it returns is important.08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7412 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm): Make showMessageOnLogin sticky for the right setting.08:23
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7413 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting showMessageOnLogin bug fixes from HEAD08:23
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elninogood evening!  how can I tell that my upgrade of wre was sucessful?08:57
@Haargwhat version?08:58
elninoI went from 083 to 08408:58
@Haargwell, there shouldn't be much to screw up.  there ended up being a module missing for if you are going to use 7.5.08:59
elninoit basically said done.  btw, the errata that jt sent out said to install Scalar::List::Utils, but my cpan didn't know what that was, so I installed Scalar::Util. is that ok?09:01
elninoI have 7.4.4009:01
@Haargyeah09:02
elninoI updated the http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/upgrade-wre-v0.8.x wiki with my observation of that package.09:03
@HaargScalar::List::Utils is what it is called somewhere, but it contains Scalar::Util and List::Util09:03
@Haargso installing Scalar::Util will grab the right distro09:04
elninothat's what it looked like to me.09:04
elnino.. so there isn't a why to see what wre is currently running?09:04
@Haargcurrently running?  no really.09:04
@Haargchecking the changelog is the closest you'll get.09:05
elninothat's too bad. that would be handy.09:05
elninowell, that's upgraded when I extract it =)09:05
@Haargwell, the meaining of 'currently running' doesn't entirely work with the wre09:05
@Haargsince it's just a bunch of other components packaged together09:06
elninooh.  ok. would it be possible to see the version of each of those components? - just out of curiousity... =)09:08
@Haargcertainly would be possible09:11
@Haargbut i couldn't say exactly what it would be09:11
elninook.  just looking for a warm fuzzy that all is well with wre and it's components.09:11
elninodifferent question...09:11
@Haarg/data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -V09:11
@Haargfor example09:11
elninosure..09:12
elninoand, I think I answered my other question... =) Thanks for your help Graham09:12
elninoyou dont' know anything about ssmpt by anychance do you? 09:13
@Haargsmtp?09:14
elninowelll, yes, I mean smTP, but it's really SSmtp with two s's09:14
elninoit's a lightweight sendmail09:15
@Haargnope09:15
elninook. thought I'd try. =)  good night.09:15
@Haargnight09:16
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BartJolmorning11:04
patspamevening Bart :)11:07
BartJolI hav enot sufficient right to look at your latest post...11:08
BartJolhave you heard anyone about 7.5.2211:09
BartJolI was hoping it would be out...11:09
@Haargnext week probably tuesday11:10
BartJolwhoa, still awake?11:12
BartJolok thanks11:12
@Haarghalf awake at least11:12
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SDuensinMorning.15:49
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wgGuest10HELLO16:48
@bopbophello wgGUest1016:54
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wgGuest10how are you17:01
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wgGuest10i was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm interested in webgui but I'm completely lost. I am a graphic designer, and design few webpages. I have a client that would like a members area and i have no clue on how to set that up17:03
@bopbopyou can set up a group of users for the members, and assign that group on the security tab of any page you wish to be members only17:04
wgGuest10is there a way to set up the page that when they register and pay their monthy fee they will automatically be added to the users?17:05
@bopbopyes, there is commerce available in WebGUI, and there is a subscription application17:05
wgGuest10and is there something special i need to load to my server for webgui to work?17:06
@bopbopone of the developers would be better able to answer that- perhaps preaction would be willing to answer if he's around17:06
@bopbopyou could also look here: http://www.webgui.org/download17:07
wgGuest10ok, well i must say that you have given me more informaiton today that what i got yesterday. This thing is about to blow my brain up...17:07
@bopbopor post to the install/upgrade forum on webgui.org17:07
@bopbopcheck wiki.webgui.org as well17:08
wgGuest10ok thanks17:08
@bopbopgood luck17:08
wgGuest10ok, one more dumb question,17:12
wgGuest10do you have to have some special knowledge to download webgui onto your computer, or is there an online version?17:12
@bopbopwell, it's not always easy to install, but I suggest you install it with WRE17:14
@bopbopthat's the WebGUI Runtime Environment17:14
@bopboponce you get started, you can come back out here if you get stuck17:15
@rizendon't install webgui17:15
@rizenif this is your first time out use the demo server17:15
@rizenhttp://demo.webgui.org17:15
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@rizenplay around with it17:15
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@rizenlearn how to use it17:15
@rizenand after you come to see how awesome it is, then worry about installing it, or even better yet, find a hoster that fits your needs17:16
wgGuest10will webgui work on existing sites?17:17
@rizendo you mean will it edit existing html pages?17:18
@rizenit's not an HTML editor like Dreamweaver if that's what you're asking17:18
@rizenit's an application server...designed to build out very dynamic and interactive sites17:18
@rizennot flat html pages17:18
wgGuest10yeah i know that, i have the pages already designed, i am looking for a program that will allow me to have a members area17:18
@rizenwebgui will do that17:19
@rizenas bopbop said17:19
wgGuest10even if my server is not on location, the site is hosted by someone else17:19
@rizenthe server has to be designed to support webgui17:19
@rizenyou can't use a $2/mo hoster17:19
wgGuest10ok, thanks for the info, 17:20
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@rizenmethinks he wanted to use a $2/mo hoster. =)17:20
@tavistoaye17:20
@rizentavisto: i think that mccain gave a great speech last night17:21
@rizenit reminded me of the old mccain17:21
@tavistothe 2000 mccain eh?17:21
@rizenyeah17:21
@rizeni really liked the old mccain17:21
@tavistoI kinda thought he was a snake in the grass previously.. but he turned out to be okay17:22
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@khennI still think he's a snake in the grass tbh17:29
@khenns/he's/he's still/17:30
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@perlmonkey2By definition aren't all politicians snakes in the grass?18:28
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BartJolyou have some that hide in the sand18:50
BartJolbut nice weekend everyone18:50
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+perlDreamerMorning, folks.18:59
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perlmonkey21good morning perlDreamer19:01
+perlDreamerperlmonkey21: you've been promoted19:02
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2+1919:02
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perlmonkey21+19?19:08
perlmonkey21oh, ghosted19:08
perlmonkey21brb19:08
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you see my IM's yesterday about blessing and unblessing objects in order to JSONify them?19:10
+perlDreamerNo.19:11
+perlDreamerCould you resend them, please?19:11
@Haargif you need to JSON the structure of an object, you can just turn on allow_blessed 19:12
@perlmonkey2Oh they were on irc.  Basicallyl like what I just said.  Take an entire object, unbless it, remove any circular references, and it is ready to be serialized.  Then when you need it again, deserialize and bless, add back circular references and you have the exact same obejct19:12
@perlmonkey2Haarg: I haven't had much luck getting that to work.19:12
@perlmonkey2Probably just doing something wrong19:12
+perlDreamerSession is a circular reference19:13
@perlmonkey2oh, looks like you need a convert_blessed option enabled also19:13
+perlDreamerThis is a function of JSON.pm?19:14
@perlmonkey2but convert_blessed just looks for a to_json method in the target objec.t19:14
@perlmonkey2yes19:14
@perlmonkey2So you still have to return a non-blessed reference somehow19:14
@Haargwhat kind of object is this?19:15
@perlmonkey2Haarg: these are Survey objects.  No connection to WG.19:17
@perlmonkey2actually just a single survey object that contains all the member objects to handle all the data manipulation.19:17
@Haargyou probably wouldn't want to unbless it19:17
@perlmonkey2But after each post, it can be grabbed from the DB, deserialized, blessed, used as needed, unblessed, serialized and stored back in teh DB.19:18
@Haargbut copying everything into a new hashref might be fine19:18
@perlmonkey2Haarg: what's wrong with unblessing it?  Seems to just return the original hashref19:18
@perlmonkey2and it is a super lazy solution, which I like19:18
@Haargwell, anything expecting to use it as an object after doing that will break19:19
+perlDreamerbless and unblessing hashrefs has serious speed penalties on CentOs, Redhat and Fedora19:19
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: okay, I'll just create a copy of the data and return it.  So much for being lazy.19:20
@Haargnot much difference really19:21
@perlmonkey2Haarg: I would only unbless it right before serializing and returning19:21
@Haargyeah, but what if something else had a ref to it?19:21
+perlDreamerit would work fine on the WRE, just not in a native distribution perl19:21
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@Haargto_json({ %{$self} })19:21
@Haargseems simpler than unbless really19:22
@perlmonkey2Haarg: that works?  casting a blessed ref to a hash?19:22
@perlmonkey2that is too cool19:22
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@Haargyeah, it works just like any other hashref19:22
@perlmonkey2I don't have any real experience with Perl OO besides Moose19:22
@perlmonkey2all I ever used19:22
@Haargonly reason json handles it differently is because treating an object like a hash as a general rule isn't a very good idea19:23
@Haargbut you have full control of your object19:23
+perlDreamerHaarg, at some point we need to check out each other's JSON collateral methods and build WebGUI::JSONCollateral from both of them.19:24
@Haargyeah19:24
@Haargwell, it isn't too hard to add json stuff to update/get19:25
@Haarglike jt did for the bazaar19:25
+perlDreamerI haven't read the Bazaar code yet.19:25
@Haargbut it gets less friendly when you have collateral tables19:25
+perlDreameryes.19:27
@Haargi've only looked at get/update in the bazaaritem asset19:27
@Haargreally we should be moving to using some kind of object mapping for collateral tables19:28
@perlmonkey2Haarg: What does that mean?19:29
@Haarglike dataform as an example, should have a DataForm::Entry class for interacting with the entries19:30
@perlmonkey2Oh right19:30
@Haarginstead of just having a bunch of methods on the dataform class19:30
+perlDreamerWouldn't having an external class do that?  Like WebGUI::Keywords?19:31
@perlmonkey2I've created Survey::* for my objects, but so far they aren't in charge of put/get'ing themselves from teh DB.19:31
@Haargi'm speaking more of a specific class for dataform things19:31
@Haargit might make sense to have it subclass some kind of general collateral class though19:32
+perlDreamerthat's what I was thinking19:36
+perlDreamersomething that can be used to reorder, serialize, deserialize and the like19:36
+perlDreamerthen the client classes just wrap and handle the db access19:36
@Haargbleh19:38
+perlDreamerNo good?19:38
@Haargi really want to decouple our class structure from strictly Parent::Child19:38
+perlDreamerthat's why I said "client"19:39
+perlDreamerit would be a pseudo-mixin, like keywords19:39
@Haargthat wasn't really in relation to what you said, just a related thought19:39
+perlDreamerah, sorry19:39
@Haargit could be done, but would involve a number of changes and may lead to performance problems19:40
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juani have created a site in WebGUI 7.4.40 and then i upgraded to the latest version 7.5.21, then i go to the asset manager from that site and it doesn't show me anything20:09
juananother sites that i have in the same server are working excellent20:10
juanWhat is the problem?20:10
@preactionjuan, check the error logs?20:14
juanthe error logs not show me errors20:16
juani am checking20:16
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juanreally doesn't show errors20:23
+perlDreamertry clearing the cache20:32
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zylopfajuan, 20:56
zylopfaI got the exact same problem as you20:56
zylopfaalso i got problems with the data forms already created at the sites20:56
zylopfaI think i deleted the site and recreated it in the new webgui version20:57
CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7414 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: 20:59
CIA-39WebGUI: Added a new method getLineageSql() which is called the same was that getLineage20:59
CIA-39WebGUI: is called but returns the SQL that is generated by the getLineage call rather20:59
CIA-39WebGUI: than and arrayRef of assetIds or instantiated assets. This method is now called20:59
CIA-39WebGUI: by getLineage.20:59
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@Haargi'm going to add an iterator version of getLineage23:26
+perlDreamercool23:27
@Haargthis is what i have at this point: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1786691223:27
@Haargany thoughts?23:27
+perlDreamer! @{ $assetList }23:27
@Haargyeah, i know the style isn't perfect23:27
@Haargneeds some docs as well23:28
+perlDreamerDid you want a lazy iterator?23:28
@Haargyeah23:28
@Haargthe idea is the convenience of returnObjects without the huge memory bloat if you are working on a large section of the site23:29
+perlDreamerhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m7eea689723:30
+perlDreamerInstead of building the list and accessing one element at a time23:30
@Haargyeah, i was thinking of that23:30
+perlDreameryou just give the iterator access to a statement handle23:30
+perlDreamerand call it as many times as needed23:30
@Haargwasn't sure if i wanted to keep a db statement open for that long23:30
@Haargprobably better to go that route though23:31
@Haargthat stuff can be tweaked though23:31
+perlDreameryes23:31
@Haargi'd be more interested if you see problems with the api23:31
+perlDreamerNo, as long as it never needs external placeholders, it's fine23:32
+perlDreamerI did build a mini paginator into getIsa recently though23:32
+perlDreamerso that you could read a chunk, remember where you were, then read where you left off23:32
+perlDreamerIt's part of the new product stock monitoring workflow23:33
+perlDreamerIt's in my experimental branch, if you're curious23:33
@Haargalso ty khenn for splitting out getLineageSql23:34
+perlDreamerYeah, khenn++23:34
+perlDreamerIt's a great idea23:34
@khennit was preactions idea to split them out23:34
@khennI'll give credit where credit is due =23:34
@khenn=)23:34
+perlDreameryeah, but who did the hard work of coding and testing it?23:35
@khennit was my idea to return the SQL23:35
+perlDreameroh wait a sec, there's no tests!23:35
+perlDreamer;)23:35
@Haargi was planning on doing that at some point so i could do the interator thing23:35
@preactionbut now there can be, no?23:35
@Haargbut now i don't have to :)23:35
@khennyou can write the tests!23:36
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@Haargone down side to having private branches is you can get too many of them23:40
@Haargi have 13 right now23:40
@preaction.... wow23:41
* perlDreamer recommends a good pruner23:41
@Haargwell, hopefully i'll be killing a couple of those off soon23:42
+perlDreamerI'll get an alibi for you23:42
+perlDreamer"No sir, your honor.  He was on IRC the whole time."23:42
+perlDreamer"It's not possible, Friday night is the night he pushes our new releases.  There wouldn't have been any time for him to kill branches."23:43
@Haargthat's annoying.  pastebin treats @@ at the beginning of a line as special and filters it out23:47
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+perlDreamerLisp sucks23:56
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Lisettehow to do a sql report with parameters23:59
Lisette?23:59
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+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/sqlreport00:00
Lisettethanks00:01
+perlDreameris there an easy way to package multiple templates at the same time?00:03
@preactionbesides putting them in a folder?00:03
+perlDreamerYes.  Assume that they're scattered throughout the system00:04
+perlDreamerLike updating the Layout templates to remove the paragraph tags around the description00:04
@preactionnot that i know of00:04
+perlDreamerI think I feel another utility script coming on00:04
+perlDreamertemplateFiler is a good start00:05
+perlDreamerbut now that updates happen as packages, it's only good for local hackery.00:05
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@khennSo YUI Datatables are fun00:33
@khennI got a YUI DataTable loading, paginating, and sorting inside a dynamically loading tabform00:33
+perlDreamersweet00:33
+perlDreamerIs that for the new bug tracker?00:33
@khennyeah00:33
@khenni'd snap a screenshot but I can't figure out where they are going on my mac00:35
@Haargusually to the desktop00:36
@khennyeah they aren't00:36
@khennshift-ctrl-apple-3 right?00:36
@preactionshift+apple+3, no ctrl00:36
@Haargctrl puts it in the clipboard00:36
@Haargcool, apparently one of the updates to iTerm fixed xterm mouse scrolling00:44
@khennhttp://www.plainblack.com/help_desk_photo100:47
@khennI have it functional now00:47
@khenngoing to spend the weekend adding features00:47
@khennand writing a migration script for the collab systems00:47
@khennand watching football00:47
@khenn=)00:47
+perlDreamerHopefully not in that order.00:48
+perlDreamerYou have to have priorities, you know00:48
@khennand yeah I know I still have to format dates and users and stuff00:48
@khennI'm going to do all of them at the same time00:49
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+perlDreamerWhat's with the spam on the dev list?01:07
+perlDreamerOne guy wants to get paid to make a plugin for HTML::Template::Compiled01:07
+perlDreamernow there's perl certified hosting?01:07
@khennI don't see the one for the one who wants to make HTML::Template::Compiled01:09
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/htmltemplatecompiled#AaE0yf7cAad4Qkqz_H9yTA01:10
@khennyeah I don't even understand that01:12
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CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7415 /WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: improve message from testEnvironment.pl when you have the latest version01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7416 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content doesn't decode alternate character sets01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7417 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added: getLineageIterator method to simplify working on large sets of assets01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: improve message from testEnvironment.pl when you have the latest version01:46
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7419 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content doesn't decode alternate character sets01:46
+perlDreamernice tests, Haarg!01:49
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7420 /WebGUI/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Remove paragraph tags around descriptions in Layout templates.02:18
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+perlDreamerhowdy hightekvagabond02:32
+perlDreamerhow was the frog flinging?02:32
hightekvagabondGood, I go back tomorrow02:34
hightekvagabondI work that booth all season, every weekend until October02:34
+perlDreamerSounds fun02:35
hightekvagabondThe best thing is I can treat pretty women in ways that I'd get a sexual harrassment suite for anywhere else ;)02:35
+perlDreamerJust be careful, there's lots of room in those gowns for sharp objects02:36
hightekvagabondthey all have to be saftey bonded02:36
hightekvagabondbesides, I'm good at keeping an eyes out for such things, much experiance there ;)02:37
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7422 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/Setup.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): more Content/Setup i18n02:52
hightekvagabondhow was the WUC?03:07
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7423 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: add more legal characters into the safe i18n key regexp05:11
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7424 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/Setup.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): finish Content/Setup i18n, and use 2 i18n objects so that it can be automatically tested05:11
topsubWhich nav element is best for main site navi? I need drop menus05:43
topsubpending there is one built in05:43
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CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7425 /translations/Spanish/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server06:48
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CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7426 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (381 files in 97 dirs): 07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: merged r6807:7413 from trunk07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: also moved custom sql out of create.sql into enable_flux.pl script07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7427 /branch/WebGUI_flux/enable_flux.pl: Added script for enabling flux on new sites, e.g. for modifying db schema to support Flux07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7428 /branch/WebGUI_flux/README.txt: WebGUI_flux: added a README for people who want to play with the Flux branch07:46
patspamquestion for my small WebGUI::Inbox::Message API addition.. if JT says "you are approved to add it to the core" does that mean check it in to trunk or 7.5 branch?08:03
patspamI'll start with trunk..08:05
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7429 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Patch to allow overriding of email message & subject for inbox messages (see http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/overriding-inbox-emails/3)08:17
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SynQHi there :)15:56
SynQand I'm off to visit some famility16:25
SynQbbl16:25
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wgGuest62Hi17:17
wgGuest62Any news about WRE 0.8.5?17:17
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CIA-39WebGUI: Fixed a test that should have been failing for a long time.00:43
CIA-39WebGUI: getLineage != get('lineage')?00:43
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CIA-39WebGUI: Remove single quote from the list of allowable characters.00:43
CIA-39WebGUI: Remove single quotes from parsed International macros in the template tester.00:43
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elninowow. small crowd tonight.04:13
elninoI have a question about sendmail, but I don't know the proper terms to look it up in the "documentation" wondering if someone can at least point me to the right direction.04:15
@preactionjust ask04:16
elninoI have a VPS, hopefully 3 sites will eventually be hosted on it. I have the smtp server hosted at google. 04:16
elninoright now I have ssmtp installed. which I thought was a good alternative to sendmail04:17
elninoit was easy to install and simple to configure.04:17
elninoit works, but the emails sent from the sites are sent from "gmail" as opposed to the actual domain04:17
elninoso I need to setup sendmail to send mail thru google's smtp server04:18
elninoand maintain the domain from which the email originated from.04:18
elninowhat is this called, and from what I gather04:18
@preactionlook in the sendmail docs for "smart relay"04:18
elninoI need to have a secure socket for sending mail out to and from google.04:18
elninoand will sendmail be able to handle more than one domain?04:19
@preactionyes04:19
elninoand I thought sendmail didn't have support for TLS  - whatver that is. google requires it.04:19
@preactionit probably does04:20
@preactionsendmail can do just about anything04:20
elninohow does exim rate?04:20
elninoI'm on a debian server, and apparently that is what they usually have installed by default.04:21
elninois "smart relay" = "smart host"?04:21
@preactionsmart host sound right, yes04:21
@preactioni've never used exim, just sendmail and postfix04:22
elninohttp://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison -- they need a matrix like cmsmatrix.  =)04:24
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elnino_laptopdid I miss anything since my last comment. I need to buy a network cable!!04:27
@preactionnope04:27
elnino_laptopoh.. I was going to ask, wre dosn't include a MTA already, does it?04:28
@preactionno04:28
patspamelnino: I'm doing the same thing, smart host on a VPS sending via gmail04:34
patspamI set it up the other day using exim04:34
patspamrough notes here: http://paddypedia.patspam.com/index.php?title=Exim04:34
elnino_laptopyou are!?!?! you've beened added to my friend list!!04:34
patspamheh, surely i was already on it after the wuc! ;)04:35
elnino_laptopyes.. of course!04:35
patspami'm just using it on a dev box atm, but i had the same motivation, just wanted something that works without having to run a fully fledged mail server locally04:36
patspami'm off (father's day brunch), let me know if you run into anything that should be added to the notes04:37
elnino_laptopso,   what commandline do you use to test exim? does it install mail or mailx?  Thank you so much!04:37
elnino_laptopHappy Fathers Day!04:38
patspamheh, not for me, for my dad ;)04:38
patspammy server is Ubuntu-based so i think i installed mailx to get a "mail" command for testing04:38
patspambut i also just tested by telnetting into port 2504:38
elnino_laptopok good enough for me to go on... have a good bunch!04:39
patspamand then just pointed WebGUI at it and generated some emails04:39
patspamif the notes work for you i might add them to the webgui wiki04:40
patspamanyway, ttyl :)04:40
elnino_laptopbye04:40
hightekvagabonddidn't fathersday happen a few months ago?04:40
@preactionin the US mayb04:41
hightekvagabondyou guys have a different father's day then us?04:41
hightekvagabondlearn something new every day04:42
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elnino_laptophttp://www.fathersdaycelebration.com/fathers-day-date.html - interesting.04:55
hightekvagabondthat IS interesting04:58
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wgGuest89Hello15:18
wgGuest89Any news about WRE 0.8.5?15:18
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7432 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: Fixed a bug in getLineageSql which was returning an empty array ref in certain cases.19:51
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7433 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: check for valid data, not just its existance in the Instance parameters01:33
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7434 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/ (12 files in 2 dirs): porting over getTTL method to private branch01:33
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7436 /branch/colin-experimental/t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t: change workflow to realtime, move inbox to top to help deal with test failures more gracefully02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7437 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: RFE: Add workflow that checks all products to see if they are close02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: to a user configured level, and email a group to let them know that02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: they are close to being out of stock.02:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7438 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: check for valid data before decoding from JSON, undef still exists02:41
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doc777Can anyone tell me where the text "labels" for forms are stored. Like on the create account page?  ;-)07:03
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Lisettehello i try do a sql report with parameters from a form, with post, but the sql don't read this, how to do?16:31
BartJolfrom a dataform you mean?16:32
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BartJolhee patspam, is it already morning for you?16:32
Lisettenot16:33
Lisettean article with a html16:33
patspamheh no, just heading off to bed16:33
patspamabout midnight here16:33
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BartJolah, goodnight then16:33
BartJolLisette, what kind of info are you trying to get from the article:16:34
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BartJolyou can only get what's in the Article, asset and assetData tables16:35
Lisettei have a sql report16:36
Lisettebut in the sql report in the placeholder parameters i have this16:37
Lisetteform: fecha116:37
Lisetteform: fecha216:37
Lisetteand in the article the next16:37
Lisettehttp://webgui.pastebin.com/d6253eb6416:37
BartJolI think in this way these will not get into the database when a user selects a date16:41
Lisettehow to do this?16:41
BartJolbut more "function parameters"16:41
Lisettewhat?16:42
BartJolwell if you've got a calendar with events, this becomes easier16:42
BartJolI expect that the dates are real events that should be stores somewhere?16:43
BartJolbe back in 1016:43
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BartJolLisette: I'm back16:52
BartJolso what do you actually want to do with the entered form values?16:54
Lisetteyes16:55
BartJolLisette: yes to what question exactly?16:56
BartJol I need more information16:56
Lisettei want that the user enter the dates16:56
BartJolwhat should happen with the dates?16:59
BartJolare they begin and end dates of an event?17:00
Lisettethe query is the next:17:00
Lisetteselect count(*)17:00
Lisettefrom asset17:00
Lisettewhere parentId = 'KgRk_sXKU-X8tiTVSCii6w'17:00
Lisetteand className = 'WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread'17:00
Lisetteand creationDate between unix_timestamp('?') and unix_timestamp('?')17:00
BartJolwhere fecha1 and 2 are the entries for the ?'s ?17:02
Lisetteyes17:02
BartJoland you calculate the fecha's back to epoch somewhere?17:03
BartJolepoch=unix_timestamp17:03
Lisetteyes17:03
BartJolI don't see that in your form17:03
BartJolso as I see it now, fecha1 and 2 are still human formatted dates17:04
Lisettein the name of input17:04
Lisetteyes this it17:04
BartJolyou should search your mysql documentation to look how you search with a normal date input as a search field17:13
Lisettealready17:14
Lisetteand i have that this way17:16
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SynQ2hi there17:19
@bopbophi17:20
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SynQ2the dutch primer has been uploaded to the bazaar17:27
@bopbopgreat- thanks for doing that17:28
SDuensinGreetings.17:30
LisetteBartJol: do you know?17:37
BartJolLisette: I might, but I don't really understand what you have done and what not and in what order things are executed17:38
BartJolyou wanna search for entries in a CS that are submitted between two user chosen dates, right?17:39
Lisettei want count a thread of CS between a dates specified by the user17:39
BartJolsorry I forgot it was a count17:39
BartJolok17:39
BartJolso you have a form where a user can enter the dates17:40
BartJolthese are submitted as form variables17:40
BartJoland with these variables you want to perform a search in the db for the count of threads17:41
BartJolis that it?17:41
Lisetteyes17:45
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BartJolI think it's easier to do with a custom macro17:48
BartJolyou can extract the form variables in the macro and do the sql query in the macro and return the value17:49
Lisetteok, thanks17:50
@perlmonkey2Death to all inline JS.17:52
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@tavistooh I thought you and JS were buddies17:56
@perlmonkey2tavisto: but three is a crowd.  It's either me an Perl or me and JS.  I can't handle both together.17:57
@perlmonkey2I'm just not that kind of dude.17:57
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BartJolhee Martin!18:36
+MrHairgreasebart!18:36
BartJolhow goes it?18:36
@tavistoDutch team!18:36
+MrHairgreaseTavis!18:37
+MrHairgreaseit goes good18:37
@tavistohello18:37
+MrHairgreasehow make you it?18:37
@tavistouh... I make it good18:37
BartJolhe, it's the metrosexual guy :)18:37
+MrHairgreaseI make it with perl18:37
BartJolsorry Tavis...18:38
@tavistono.. it's the OQAPI guy18:38
+MrHairgreaseI know he is18:38
+MrHairgreaseOQAPI!18:38
BartJolnice sweater indeed...18:38
@tavistohehe.. the other night everyone was asking me about my hoodie... I told them all about it18:38
@tavistothey were arguing about if the animal was real or not... hehe18:38
BartJolwell it isn't blue18:39
+MrHairgreaseit is in Switzerland18:39
+MrHairgreasethey have purple cows there as well18:39
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+MrHairgreasewww.milka.nl18:40
+MrHairgreaseer18:40
@tavistoheh nice...18:40
+MrHairgreasewww.milka.ch18:40
BartJolI don't see blue oqapi's...18:40
+MrHairgreasewww.oqapi.nl18:41
BartJol:W18:41
BartJol:)18:41
@tavistowell we have trees in the middle of bars here18:41
SynQ2tavisto my main man :)18:41
+MrHairgreasetrue18:41
+MrHairgreaseCone!18:41
@tavistoey Cone!18:41
@tavistoDo you miss your Caddy?18:41
SynQ2Volkswagen Caddy ;)18:42
SynQ2I decided I like my beamer better18:42
@tavistoKoen I'm not surprised.. probably more sporty18:42
SynQ2and more relaxed too18:42
@tavistoI told you it was a fun car though... and meant for old peeps18:42
SynQ2here I have a Tessa to drive it18:42
BartJolbut my ugly pt cruiser performed better than my opel astra18:43
SynQ2went to Lionel Richie yesterday18:43
@tavistohaha... Bart is going to buy a PT Cruiser18:43
BartJolbut the automatic gearbox was a downer18:43
BartJolnope18:43
+MrHairgreaseyou mean it actually drives18:43
BartJol:)\18:43
BartJolit already drives, I repaired it thursday18:43
@tavistowow Lionel is the man18:43
+MrHairgreasebtw: everybody knows that cars without an automatic gearbox are broken18:43
SynQ2meant for old peeps :)18:44
BartJollike Joeri's that wil be towed to the car-graveyard18:49
+MrHairgreaseno, that car is not broken because it is an automatic18:49
@tavistohehe18:49
+MrHairgreaseit's broken because it is18:50
+MrHairgreasewell18:50
+MrHairgreasea pile of crap18:50
@tavistowhat is it?18:50
+MrHairgreaseand now he has a broken car18:50
+MrHairgreasewhich drives18:50
BartJola volvo?18:50
+MrHairgreasebut is a stick shift18:50
SynQ2and the worst pile of crap out there18:50
+MrHairgreasePeugeot I think18:50
+MrHairgreaseKarin's car18:50
BartJolthat one is a peogeot yes18:51
BartJolehhh18:51
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BartJolwell, going for dinner18:58
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SynQ2me 218:58
SynQ2later18:58
+MrHairgreaselater18:58
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@tavistoMrHairgrease, are you all recovered from jet lag?19:00
+MrHairgreaseguess so19:00
+MrHairgreaseI never have much of a jet lag anyway19:01
+MrHairgreaseonly the day of arrival19:01
+MrHairgreasethe next I might be yawning a bit more than usual19:01
+MrHairgreasebut I'll be fully functional, zo to say19:02
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@perlmonkey2bah, the high today will only be about 26C.  That is unacceptable for September.19:16
* perlmonkey2 goes to create more CO2 and while he's at it get more caffeine from the quickshop19:16
+perlDreamerYour preference for the Halfling's bean has dulled your senses, perlmonkey219:17
@perlmonkey2In a warmer world, coffee will have a longer growing season.  What else needs to be said?19:19
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+perlDreamerIs there a kind soul out in the WebGUI verse who would be willing to run a test for me?19:34
+perlDreamerI can't duplicate last night's smoke test failures19:34
@preactionk19:35
+perlDreamert/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t19:35
@preactionAll tests successful.19:36
+perlDreamerHm19:36
+perlDreamerHaarg, could a safe,sanitized copy of the nightly smoke test config files be made available?19:39
@Haargprobably19:39
+perlDreamerthank you :)19:40
@Haargi'll check into it.  i haven't looked at how the smoke tests are being done.19:40
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@perlmonkey2In the bug about the gotchas not containing a warning that you must upgrade to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.5, where should that go?  in the 7.5.0 entry?19:56
+perlDreamerI think so.19:56
@preactionyes19:56
topsubIt seems when you have an Event threw the EventManagementSystem and if you do a direct link to buy it, it will allow you to buy it. Would this be a bug?20:07
topsubeven if its sold out20:08
+perlDreamerthat's a bug20:08
topsubk i will post it20:09
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7439 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Added gotcha about upgrading to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.520:18
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7440 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Macros.pm: display multiple aliases for macros in the Help20:18
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@perlmonkey2This 0 not showing up on an integer dataform submission has kicked my butt.  No idea why it isn't showing up21:54
+perlDreamerIt's already fixed22:10
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: the ticket is still open and no one else has commented on it?22:11
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'm at head and I still see teh bug22:11
@perlmonkey2The problem isn't that the zero isn't being recorded.  But that the template is not showing a zero.  getValueAsHtml seems to be the problem, but Im' not sure how.22:12
+perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=739922:13
+perlDreamerI see22:15
+perlDreamerI only fixed 1/2 of it22:15
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: That was 41 revs ago and I still see it22:15
@perlmonkey2oh22:15
+perlDreamerIt shows up in the list all entires22:15
+perlDreamerbut not on the acknowledgement22:15
@perlmonkey2right22:15
@perlmonkey2getOriginalValue seems to be failing to grab it for some reason22:15
@perlmonkey2which is ->get('value')22:16
@perlmonkey2help! my brain is melting22:17
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+perlDreamerthe template looks okay22:20
@perlmonkey2Now it looks like $self->{_params} isn't being set22:21
@perlmonkey2I'm dumping it on submits and if its '1' I see an int set to 1.  If it is 0, I see value = ''22:22
@preactionperlmonkey2, to be quite honest, i think your best bet will be to write a test for this, and then use the perl debugger to step through and see where 0 changes to ''. perhaps this is a problem with the Integer form control?22:23
topsubHas anyone ever thought about integrating a "slider" as a form control?  Make it so you can set the min and max numbers. And a user can drag between the max and min..22:26
@preactiontopsub, the IntSlider maybe?22:29
topsubah, i never looked for one just thought about if it would be useful.22:29
@preactioni don't think webgui uses it as much as it could22:31
topsubI was thinking about doing a  "money" one that auto does 2 dec places, but wasn't sure how much it would be used22:37
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* perlmonkey2 stabs himself in the eye22:41
BartJolShall I poke you in the other?22:45
@perlmonkey2A brick to the head would be more humane.22:46
BartJolYesterday I almost cut my finger off22:47
nubai crashed my car last week22:47
@preactionA m??se bit my sister ?nce22:48
BartJolwhat's with your o's22:48
* MrHairgrease had his shiny metal ass bitten22:48
nubaguess his keyboard was bitten too22:48
BartJolbut nerds are very agile people I see, when it comes to dealing with computers22:49
@preactionBartJol, http://www.smouse.force9.co.uk/monty.htm <- opening credits of Monty Python and the Holy Grail22:49
BartJolah :)22:50
+MrHairgreasem/o/ose22:50
@perlmonkey2A hair product bit your sister?22:54
+MrHairgreasehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAsYwW7pt7o22:55
@perlmonkey2BartJol: I'd imagine cutting off a finger would be quite tragic for a programmer.  I hope you don't attempt to cut off your finger again.22:55
+MrHairgreaseif you cut one22:56
+MrHairgreasei guess you should cut the other four as well22:56
BartJolalmot a horror movie: the one handed programmer22:57
@perlmonkey2Let's not do things by half measures, if you do one hand, you might as well do the other.22:57
BartJolit was jsut an accident22:57
@perlmonkey2Feeding a moose and it almost bit off a finger?22:57
+MrHairgreasewas it while shaving22:57
BartJolbut now I've got an excuse for my louzy typing22:58
+MrHairgreaseor while testing you machtte22:58
BartJolMrHairgrease: yes22:58
BartJolthe first22:58
@perlmonkey2Do you shave with a machete?22:58
BartJola small one22:58
+MrHairgreasebart is actually dundee22:58
BartJolbut a bit more clumsy22:58
+MrHairgreaseactually called* dundee22:58
@perlmonkey2He's Australian?  22:58
@perlmonkey2Or just Austrian?  22:59
BartJolNo, I only talk just as incromprehensive22:59
+MrHairgreasein the end everybody speaks garbled crap23:01
+MrHairgreasethat's why we get along so well i guess23:01
BartJolbut with two fingers in bandage, I did manage to fix my flat tire23:01
@perlmonkey2I say live wild, shave with a machete, as bionic fingers are cooler anyways.23:05
BartJolyeah, but everybody will think that I'm a star wars fan23:07
@perlmonkey2BartJol: At least all doubts to your paternity will be erased.23:07
@perlmonkey2I mean, who wouldn't want Darth as their father?23:08
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: bad logic inside there23:09
BartJolmy father doesn't have those, so I suspect I'll be darth vader once23:09
+perlDreamerinside getRecordTemplateVars23:09
+MrHairgreaseuse the mass times acceleration bart23:10
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'm looking there now.  But it is all bavarian to me.23:10
+perlDreamerWhen it's bavarian, it's time to drink beer.23:11
+perlDreamerI'm really glad things stopped looking greek, because I hate ouzo23:11
+MrHairgreaseTO THE ESSEN HAUS!23:11
+perlDreamerEssen Haus++, but only if the band isn't playing23:11
+MrHairgreasehehe23:12
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: so $form->getValueAsHtml must be the problem child?23:13
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, maybe.23:18
+perlDreamergetValueAsHtml is seeded with a value23:18
+perlDreamerit could be from there, too23:18
@perlmonkey2All of Form seems incredibly complex.23:19
@perlmonkey2Why does getValueAsHtml pass long @_ to getOriginalValue which never grabs more than self.  Strang.e23:21
@preactionbecause of the potential for future enhancement23:22
@perlmonkey2Maybe some subclasses use it?23:22
@perlmonkey2I might just be too retarded to grok Form.  Always a possibility.23:22
@preactionthey shouldn't. subclasses should maintain the same method signatures23:22
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: getValueAsHtml just returns us to ->get('value');23:23
@perlmonkey2Maybe that call should be ->getValue?23:24
@preactioni'm still saying that you'd be best served by writing a test and using the debugger to step through things23:24
@preactionno, getValueAsHtml should always getOriginalValue23:24
@perlmonkey2I looked at writing a test and have no real clue where to start.  This thing is *huge*23:25
@perlmonkey2And I've rewritten lots of Form/ and added a few t/Form/*'s23:25
@preactionmake one for t/Form/Integer that tries to do what it's failing to do correctly23:26
@preactiongetValue i assume?23:26
@perlmonkey2No that works correctly.  Maybe get('value') is wrong.  Don't knwo23:27
@preactiongetValueAsHtml then maybe?23:28
@perlmonkey2That works too23:29
@perlmonkey2I'm not so sure it is in Form/ as it is in DataForm || FormValidator23:30
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topsubI am having trouble finding the form that gets displayed after you click "buy"  on an event.   Any suggestions23:37
+perlDreamertopsub, I'd recommend looking in Asset/Sku/EMS*.pm23:39
topsubperlDreamer, think i am refering to the one before them23:41
topsubone wher eyou can populate from address book23:41
+perlDreamerShop/AddressBook.pm ?23:42
topsubthe buy link is just a link to the asset23:44
topsubso it seems its some flag or something23:44
+perlDreamerweird23:44
SynQIs JT ill?23:48
+perlDreamerDon't know23:48
SynQhe hasn't been posting to the WebGUI discussions23:49
@preactionyes23:49
SynQhe is?23:49
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, I have it23:49
SynQI'll have to send him a fruitbasket then23:49
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: oh for the love of all that is right in the world, please tell me!23:50
+perlDreamerIt's evil23:50
+perlDreamerLet's start at the top23:50
+perlDreamergetRecordTemplateVariables23:50
+perlDreamerThis is a new entry, so no entryId23:50
+perlDreamerand $entry is undefined23:50
+perlDreamerskip down to 65223:51
+perlDreamerEntry is undefined, so it does not pull data from the entryData hashref23:51
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+perlDreamerwith me so far?23:52
@perlmonkey2yes23:52
@perlmonkey2never occurred to me it would be that broken23:52
+perlDreamerignoreForm = 1, so the elsif below that is not executed23:52
+perlDreamerand there's no fallback23:52
+perlDreamerso $value is undefined23:52
+perlDreamerwhen $value is undefined in the Form call, it falls back to defaultValue, which iss ''23:52
+perlDreamer(empty string)23:53
@perlmonkey2that would imply that the submitted value doesn't matter23:53
@perlmonkey2but it does.  Any non-zero int is displayed23:53
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juani have several posts in a CS23:54
juani want to refresh the rating to 0 for all the posts23:54
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juanusing mysql i put in 0 all of them but i have some strange23:55
juani have a specific post when someone goes to rate it takes the original value that it has23:55
juanfor example it had 34 in rating23:56
juani put it in 023:56
juanif i go to rate again appears in 34 again23:56
juanwhat is the problem?23:56
+perlDreamerjuan, if you cleared it in the db, then it might be cached23:57
+perlDreamerhave you cleared the cache?23:57
+MrHairgreasejuan23:57
juanyes23:57
+MrHairgreasedid you clear Post.rating as well as Thread.threadRating?23:57
juanI cleared the cache23:57
juani only cleared Post rating23:58
juani am going to check thread23:58
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, my bad.23:58
+MrHairgreasecheck threadRating for your magic 3423:58
+perlDreamerignoreForm = 0, for !ignoreForm = 123:58
+perlDreamerbut the form processed data is 0, which is false23:58
+perlDreamerneeds a defined check in there, or a non-empty string check, or something23:58
@perlmonkey2defined should work23:59
@perlmonkey2woot23:59
+MrHairgreasew/o/ot23:59
+perlDreamerwo2t23:59
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@perlmonkey2done00:00
@perlmonkey2Thanks perlDreamer.  I can now remove this fork from the back of my hand that I was using to help ignore the pain from this bug :)00:01
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juanMrHairgrease, i change the value in this both tables, cleared the cache but the problem continues, the post continues with the same rating value00:15
juani have changed both values to 0 in both tables Post.rating, Thread.threadRating but someonesi logged to rate the post takes its original value00:23
juani cleared cache, restarted the web server but the problem continues00:25
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juani made a copy from that CS, could be it the problem?00:27
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7441 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Form/Integer now shows 0 in post submission page (Thanks perlDreamer)00:27
juanhelp me00:40
BartJolalso cleared your browser cache?00:42
juanyes00:43
metanilhow do i know a new group has been created?? (any hook available??)00:44
juanbut i have 3 tables with rating Post.rating, Thread.threadRating and Post_rating.rating00:44
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juanin the 3 tables i delete the respective records00:44
juanbut when someone goes to rate again the post takes the original value00:45
juanmy question what about the table Thread_read00:45
juanhave to delete the records in this table, too?00:46
SynQHi there, shameless karma whore plug: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/what-makes-you-donate-your-karma00:50
SynQpreaction, perlDreamer, perlmonkey2, Haarg, MrHairgrease please respond to that discussion thread00:50
SynQI beg you :)00:50
@perlmonkey2What's in it for me?00:51
@perlmonkey2Nude photos of your beamer?00:51
@perlmonkey2And dude, I mean your car00:51
BartJolmetanil: just go to the group list00:54
BartJolor do you mean ntification?00:54
SynQuh00:55
SynQphoto's of my beamer, hell yea00:55
SynQperlDreamer: are you around?00:55
SynQI have fixed a bug in the WRE00:55
+perlDreamerI'm here00:55
+perlDreamercool!00:55
metanilBartJol: i mean .. i need to call a method, if a new group is created.00:55
SynQnow I'd like to close the report00:55
+perlDreamercan you give me a URL?00:55
SynQIt's this one http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-thread_cache-in-my.cnf00:56
SynQof course I'd like to get the karma that comes with closing a bug00:56
+perlDreameryou kind of did00:56
@perlmonkey2synq what is the rate of exchange for bugs for karma?00:56
+perlDreamerit's 10/post00:56
SynQsince I'm all in it for the karma ;)00:56
+perlDreamerso by saying that you closed it, you got 10 karma00:56
SynQThat is not a lot for all that hard work (open the file, change one number and then commiting it)00:57
SynQ:P00:57
SynQperlmonkey2: I have no idea00:57
+perlDreamerTechnically, we don't have a karma/bug thing00:57
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'm on janitor duty this week and have karma to burn :)00:57
+perlDreamerMost of the time, people who _fix_ bugs don't get karma00:58
@perlmonkey2SynQ: Yes, that deserves what, 200 more?00:58
+perlDreameraside from posting on the bug forum00:58
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, 500 at least00:58
SynQhehe00:58
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: then what does a big bug get?00:58
+perlDreamerthat's an 8-bit fix00:58
+perlDreamer50 karma00:59
+perlDreamerbut I tip big...00:59
@perlmonkey2course, whatever I give SynQ I'll have to give you 10x for the killer dataform bug00:59
+perlDreamerso, use your best judgement00:59
SynQhmm00:59
SynQI cannot sort the bug list00:59
BartJolmetanil: so when a group is created by an user, you want to trigger a workflow?00:59
metanilnot a workflow, just want call a method of my own class.01:00
+perlDreamerSynQ: In a way, you're in a bad position.  Karma is made for coders, designers, etc.01:00
+perlDreamerIt's hard for hosters to get karma.01:00
+perlDreamerAlthough, since BartJol works for you, his karma is technically owned by your company...01:01
BartJoleeh01:01
+perlDreamerAnd translators don't get karma either.01:01
+perlDreamerwhich is a bummer01:01
BartJolwell, I get to report i18n bugs01:01
+perlDreamerThis is now I see karma01:02
+perlDreamerKarma is how to make PB do work for me.01:02
BartJolthat gives me karma01:02
+perlDreamerOr how to get me rank on the RFE list, which might make someone else build my RFE01:02
+perlDreameror, now, for buying stuff01:02
SynQuh huh01:02
SynQnow here is another problem01:02
SynQthis RFE http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/innodb-in-wre01:02
SynQI can make it happen01:02
BartJolmetanil: mmm I would like to dig in more, but I am getting a bit sleepy01:02
SynQbut I'm not sure if JT really wants that option in the WRE01:03
BartJolhey Koen, I saw an orer coming by01:03
metanilany other volunteer... i want to call a method as soon as any new group is created in webgui.. 01:03
+perlDreamermetanil, it will take custom code.  There's no plug-in point for doing that.01:04
+perlDreamerLook inside Operation/Group.pm and Group.pm01:04
@preactionmetanil, the only good way would be to make a workflow plugin point, commit it to core WebGUI, and make a workflow activity01:04
@preactionotherwise, you have to edit WebGUI, which usually fails when you upgrade01:04
SynQan orer?01:05
SynQan order for a gift basket perhaps?01:05
metanilworkflow plugin point sounds nice, but never done it before.01:05
BartJolindeed01:06
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SynQBartJol: that is correct01:06
SynQbut don't mention it here01:06
SynQ:P01:06
BartJolhey, I've only got 8.5 fingers to type with01:06
BartJolwhat eggs?01:06
CIA-39WebGUI: koen * r7442 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: Fixed http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-thread_cache-in-my.cnf01:06
@perlmonkey2If PB puts InnoDB in the stack, wouldn't they then have to support it?01:08
@preactionyes01:08
@preactionwe're moving to innodb probably01:08
@preactionso we can maybe use drizzle01:08
@Haargwe wouldn't have to support webgui on innodb though01:08
@perlmonkey2Yeah, drizzle is ++ with teh sexy01:08
@Haarg(for now i mean)01:08
+cap10morganis it possible to delete questions from a survey asset?01:09
+cap10morgani feel sorta dumb, but i don't see the option...01:09
SynQso01:09
+cap10morgans/s/n, SynQ?01:09
SynQwould it be right for me to add innodb support into the wre svn repo?01:09
+cap10morganah, nope :)01:09
+cap10morgannm01:09
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SynQs/s/n ?01:09
+cap10morgansorry, thought maybe you were replying to me01:10
+cap10morganw/ a "no" that ended up a "so" :)01:10
SynQcap10morgan: I don't know the answer to your question01:11
BartJolI jsut tested it, just scroll down01:11
BartJol(in my template anyways01:11
@tavistoSynQ, how much karma will buy your Beamer?01:11
+perlDreamerFull text search doesn't work on INNOdb, so core WebGUI cannot be used on it.01:11
@tavistowe talking like 1500 or 2000?01:11
BartJolthere is a list with questions underneath the view grade stuff01:12
SynQtavisto: let's see01:12
@tavistoKarma is very high at the moment... Even higher than the Euro01:12
BartJolhis beamer? 10 for the purchase, 10000 every week for maintenance01:12
@tavistohaha01:12
+perlDreamertavis has no karma01:12
SynQthat would be 1800000 karma01:12
@tavistowha!?01:12
+perlDreamerscammer!01:12
+perlDreamer$1 = K10001:13
+perlDreamer1.8 MK01:13
BartJolcap10morgan: it might be that you use a template where the editable questions arwen't shown01:13
+cap10morganyeah, i'm thinking that's the case01:13
BartJolthan you can first choose the default one01:14
@tavisto*tavis creates a ball of fire and then molds it into 1799999 Karma*01:14
+cap10morgani upgrade this site to 7.5 recently from 7.401:14
@tavistoooooh.. looks like I don't have enough Koen01:14
+cap10morganBartJol: cool, will check that out. thanks.01:14
BartJolthen they should be there01:14
SynQtavisto: shipping it to the US would cost you 200000 karma too01:14
+perlDreamerthat's 200 kK01:14
SynQtavisto: if you come over here I'll let you drive it for 500 karma per 10 minutes :)01:15
@tavistoNah I would just come over and run it on the crazy german highway01:15
snapcountanyone experience trouble getting mod_proxy to start with wre 0.8.4 on a fresh install?01:15
snapcounterror about exceeding max forwards01:15
snapcountSLES 10.101:15
snapcountproxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /01:15
@tavistoSynq, how is the ICE trains?  I was looking at flights to Amsterdam and Frankfurt01:16
@tavistoer how are the trains01:16
SynQICE is ok but no match to the beamer01:16
SynQoh my01:16
SynQmy wife is calling me01:16
SynQI have to come to bed01:16
+perlDreamerShe wants pickle-peanut butter ice cream with chocolate sauce01:16
@Haargi know perlmonkey2 had an issue with that snapcount, but we never resolved it.  most likely something wrong with how the domain is resolving.01:17
SynQperlDreamer: not that, she wants me to rub her belly01:17
BartJoltraining from frankfurt to the netherlands? you should do that with a high speed train01:17
+perlDreamerEven better.01:17
SynQindeed01:17
snapcountHaarg: thanks... I checked that first =)01:17
@perlmonkey2snapcount: I have no idea how to fix it.  I'm just dev'ing so I'm only using modperl now01:17
SynQI'm off, but be warned, I'll read the backlog first thing in the morning01:17
snapcountresolves from command line but apache might have an issue01:17
BartJolbut directly to amsterdam is better tavisto01:17
SynQlater guys01:18
@tavistocya Synq01:18
BartJoltot morgen01:18
snapcountalso FYI - the errata post has a typo on the required modules01:18
+cap10morganBartJol: still in the template, just not showing up01:18
+cap10morganmaybe a bug in 7.5.21?01:18
snapcountit should be install Scalar::Util01:18
@perlmonkey2be back later tonight01:18
+cap10morganadmin is on, etc.01:18
BartJolmaybe01:18
+cap10morgani'll try it in a demo01:18
+cap10morganbeta demo is 7.5.21?01:19
@Haargyeah, Scalar-List-Utils is the name of the distro01:19
@Haargbeta and normal demo are both 7.5.2101:19
snapcountI'll keep digging Haarg and let you guys know if I figure it out... just thought I'd ask before I got into it01:20
+cap10morgannope, works in the demo01:20
+cap10morganso maybe a 7.4 -> 7.5 upgrade bug01:20
BartJolmm, just temporay set another template, see wath that does to it01:20
BartJolin a tag01:20
@Haargfirst thing i'll recommend, there is a section that proxies based on HTTP_PORT01:21
@Haargin the mod_proxy config01:21
+perlDreamercheck the template for typos, cap10morgan01:21
+cap10morgannope, it wasn't there when the site was in 7.401:21
+cap10morganit's still the default (and only) template01:21
BartJoloh01:21
@Haargi'd remove that.  i don't think it will fix the problem, but that part is basically useless and will be removed.01:22
@HaargHTTP_HOST rather01:22
BartJolstrange, I've got a 7.5.8 site and it does show the edit buttons01:22
BartJoldefault template01:23
BartJolwhat kinda use are you? If you're not admin that might give troubles01:24
+cap10morganadmin01:24
+cap10morganadmin is on01:24
+cap10morganuser is in the admins group01:24
+cap10morganthe other controls are there01:24
+cap10morganthe add question, add section stuff01:25
snapcountHaarg: commenting out the first rewrite cond for port 80 and the proxy directive fixed it for me01:25
snapcountnot sure why that's even there really01:25
snapcountnever did figure it out01:25
@Haargit serves no purpose now01:25
snapcountoh ok01:26
@Haargthe second rewrite used to be different01:26
@Haargand then it was needed01:26
@Haargbut when i changed the second rewrite, i neglected to take out the first one01:26
snapcountmaybe that can be yanked in wre 0.8.5 then01:26
snapcountnot sure if it causes grief with other distros01:26
@Haargi've been meaning to commit that change for a few days01:27
snapcountanyways, thanks for your time man01:27
BartJolcap10morgan: can it be hidden by some other div in the page template? if so, you should be able to find it in the html source01:27
snapcountappreciate it01:27
+cap10morganBartJol: yeah, was about to check that01:27
+cap10morgannope, not in the html01:32
+cap10morgani'm gonna compare my copy of the template to the demo site01:32
+cap10morganjust in case01:32
BartJolwell, otherwise I have no ideas left...01:33
+perlDreamerNo ideas left?01:35
+perlDreamerOne finger, please01:35
BartJolwell, it's gettin late here01:36
BartJolright now I should be doing something else in my bed. like sleeping01:36
BartJolbut I hang on for a moment to see how cap will do01:37
BartJolfor the moment I can only annoy you with sailing pictures: http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr08/slides/ZR8-5950.html01:38
+cap10morganno differences in the templates01:40
+cap10morgancopied them to text files and ran diff on them01:40
+cap10morganbetween pb demo site and my site01:40
+cap10morganso weird!01:40
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7443 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template: no longer need requite rule to deal with port in host01:40
+cap10morganit's like the section.questions_loop is empty01:40
+cap10morgantime to dive into the code01:41
BartJolmaybe there's a change in the db, you might check the gotchas first01:42
+cap10morganalways do before an upgrade01:42
BartJolmm01:42
BartJolwise men01:42
+cap10morganbesides, this survey was created w/ this version of webgui01:42
+cap10morganlet's see what the sql that populates that variable returns for this survey01:43
+cap10morganok, that works, assuming the right values are ending up in the query when it runs01:45
+cap10morgani'll spit it out in the log file01:45
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+cap10morganah ha!01:56
+perlDreamerwhat is it?01:56
+cap10morganthe section query returns no sections01:56
+cap10morganso somehow that got corrupted...01:56
+perlDreameruh oh01:56
+cap10morganthat's odd01:56
+perlDreamerso why does it work on beta?01:56
+cap10morgani would assume it does return a section there01:56
+cap10morganall the questions on my site have a section id01:56
+cap10morgani just need to see why this query has no results01:57
+cap10morganand we have a questions_loop, ladies and gentelmen01:58
+cap10morganthank you for playing Debugging WebGUI01:58
+cap10morgani'm your host, cap10morgan, signing off for now01:58
+perlDreamerwhat was the problem?01:58
+cap10morgani have no idea01:59
+perlDreamerbut it works now?01:59
+cap10morganyeah01:59
+cap10morgana co-worker created the survey01:59
+cap10morgani don't know if she did something weird to make it not generate a default None section01:59
+cap10morganor if she could have somehow deleted it along the way01:59
+cap10morganbut it does seem like there's at least a UI bug in there somewhere01:59
+cap10morgansince it seems like you wouldn't want to be able to get yourself into this situation02:00
+perlDreamermaybe she's cursed02:00
+cap10morganhahaha02:00
+cap10morganmaybe02:00
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BartJolwell, good to know that the problem is analysed, now, I'm going to sleep02:04
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+cap10morganyeah, she deleted the section02:07
+cap10morganbut it didn't delete the questions under it, it just made it impossible to edit or delete them any further because it made the section.questions_loop variable become empty02:08
+cap10morganso that seems like a bug02:08
+perlDreamerpost it02:08
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2 loves to fix survey bugs02:08
+cap10morganhuh, the demo stopped me02:09
+cap10morgansaid i was trying to delete a vital system component02:09
+cap10morganbut apparently it did not stop her02:09
+perlDreamerShe's not cursed, she's powerful!02:09
+perlDreameror maybe both02:09
+cap10morganman, how do users always find a way to trigger these corner cases?02:09
+cap10morganseriously02:10
+cap10morganshe's a witch! burn her!02:10
+perlDreamerIs the key logger on her computer still working so we can figure out what she did?02:10
+cap10morganhahahhaa02:10
* cap10morgan checks02:10
+cap10morgannope, she crashed it by typing a rare sequence of keys that disables all key loggers02:10
+cap10morgan;)02:11
+perlDreamerthe force is strong with this one02:11
+cap10morganit's true02:11
+cap10morganwell, hopefully she won't do it again.02:11
+perlDreamerActually, I hope she does, so she can tell us what she did.02:11
+perlDreamerif she did it without hacking the db, then it's still a bug02:12
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7444 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add more tests for Workflow mode, and validating the activity that was returned02:16
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patspammorning!03:23
@preactionmorning!03:24
@preactionpatspam, about your bugs for the thingy. i had an idea to make a "getEditForm" for WebGUI::Form::Control and subclasses03:36
@preactionthis would be used by Thingy and by the User Profiling admin area03:36
@preactionooh, Content Profiling too03:36
@preactionthat would fix your problem, but it'd be a bit of work03:36
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topsubmorning??? its 9pm!04:03
patspampreaction: for specifying extra form options?04:05
@preactionpatspam, yeah. for getting form control configuration from the end-user04:05
@preactionone of the problems with our current solution is that we have one form for all controls, which means the help says "this doesn't apply to list-types" or other such04:06
@preactionwhich is confusing to the end user04:06
patspamyeah, and lots of extra options can't be specified (like range on sliders)04:06
@preactionyeah04:07
patspamSurvey might be able to make use of that too04:07
@preactiondunno, but i have a few projects on my list that would04:07
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patspamperlmonkey2: you still awak?05:53
patspam(e)05:54
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7445 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: remove debug code07:05
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7446 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add a few more random tests, checking guid validity and getList return type07:05
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SDuensinGreetings.16:27
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BartJolgoed morning, just as sunny as here?16:34
SDuensinIt's gloomy in St. Louis.16:35
topsubbout to storm in Charlotte!16:41
@perlmonkey2overcast in Oklahoma16:45
SDuensinAny of you geeks played with Cappuccino any?16:49
SDuensinrizen had talked about wanting to put a more "desktop" or "wigit-ish" admin panel and such in WebGUI before.  I'd say it's well worth the look.16:50
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@perlmonkey2SynQ: If you're around, could you show me the confirmation you received for the karma?  There appears to be a bug.16:53
BartJolSynQ is in a meeting16:55
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@perlmonkey2BartJol: Always with the business and making money, never with the fun and IRQ.16:58
BartJolIRQ?16:58
BartJolIRC and ICQ I heard off16:58
BartJolwhateeever16:59
@perlmonkey2You haven't heard of IRQ.  It is like the coolest new thing no one has ever heard of.  17:00
BartJolthen it must be really cool17:01
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@bopbopperlmonkey2: just gifted you some. It went to my spam when I received some, so you might have to check there.17:14
@perlmonkey2right on, thanks17:14
* SDuensin remembers IRQs. COM1 and 3 are on 4 and 2 and 4 are on 3.17:18
BartJolI only see interrupt request17:19
@perlmonkey2Haarg: What about my $from    = $headers->{from} || "<$userName> ".$session->setting->get("companyEmail");17:25
@perlmonkey2oh, wait the <> are on the wrong part, but you get what I mean, right?17:26
@Haargi'm not certain how the best way to handle that is17:27
@Haargone issue with just sticking the sending user as the from is then there is no real indication the message was sent through the site17:28
@Haargi guess what you have would make sense, using the site's email with the user's name17:29
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: you know of any easy way to test the change in Mail/Send?  I'm not that familiar with sendmail and would hate to have my ISP shut me off for sending out mail when I'm not supposed to.18:04
@Haargthis is for the inbox thing?18:06
@perlmonkey2yes18:07
@Haargtwo thoughts are - i think there is an option to dump emails to a log instead of sending them that was added recently.  second, emails are always queued then sent by spectre.  you can turn off spectre and just look in the mailQueue table.18:07
@perlmonkey2setting a user's email to root@localhost.localdomain doens't work :)18:07
@perlmonkey2okay groovy18:07
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: From: bob <info@mycompany.com> is what you wanted right?18:12
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elninoIm not on wireless!! I shouldn't be disconnected anymore! yeah husband!18:13
elninoquestion - 18:13
@Haargi think it will work; i'm not certain18:13
elninocan I use subscriptions and workflows to periodically send out text messages to subscribers?18:13
@Haargthe other option that comes to mind is adding some text before inbox messages that are sent out saying who sent it18:14
@perlmonkey2Haarg: looking at the complete headers of email sent out ot me, it looks like the [name <email addy>] is the proper syntax.18:15
elninoAnd, is there a "are you over 16 options" type thing for subscriptions?18:15
@Haargyeah, i was just considering if instead of having the name in the from header putting it in a preface to the message body18:16
@perlmonkey2yeah, just got mail to [poopoohead <kaleb@plainblack.com>] :D18:16
@Haargheh18:16
@perlmonkey2Haarg: so that wouldn't be in Mail/Send.pm but added to CS and the Karma package?18:17
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@Haargit would be in the inbox code18:18
@Haargthe CS already handles this as needed18:18
@perlmonkey2ic18:18
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: sorry to be tedious but I want to be clear on this.  You want Inbox to prepend all msg text with a short descriptor of who sent the message?18:26
@Haargi'm thinking that would be the way to go18:27
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7447 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Sent email from field now prefixed with username18:37
elninois there an option in webgui to have a "if you are 16 or older?" condition before purchasing a subscription?18:47
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@perlmonkey2When adding a new module to i18n is there some place it needs to be registerd?18:59
+perlDreamerNo19:03
+perlDreamerIs it not showing up?19:03
@preactionelnino, no, but you could make a group for people >= 16 years old, then put the subscription in that group19:04
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elninopreaction, thatnks, I'll think about that approach some more.  Do you happen to know if there is a way of text messaging (to a cel phone) from webgui?19:09
@preactionelnino, google for "sms gateway", just about every phone has an email address19:10
elninoah.  that's accrynom I was looking for. Thanks!19:10
elninoso as long as I can send an email and the phone has an email, I can text message it? 19:13
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7448 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Inbox messages now tell you who the message was from19:13
@preactionelnino, in theory, yes19:15
elninook. theorys work for me. =)19:15
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+perlDreamernice reply on the forum, bopbop19:30
@bopbopthanks perlDreamer19:30
@perlmonkey2Is this really a bug? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/i-need-a-template-for-this-display#-RpBtut6vo6JYj6SpENDuQ19:34
@rizenyes19:35
@rizenthings that are not templated that an end user can see are bugs19:35
@rizenif it were an admin only screen then it wouldn't be a bug19:35
@perlmonkey2Okay19:36
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I answered your i18n question earlier, is it working okay now?19:36
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: My internet has been flaky, I may not have seen it.  But I resolved the problem "my $text = $i18n->get; $text = "whatever";"   Note the missing concat in the second statement :)19:37
+perlDreamermy $text = $i18n->get('key', 'namespace'); # ???19:42
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: if you create the i18n with the namespace you dont' need to use it in the get's right?19:45
+perlDreamerThat's right, but you still have to give it a key/label to lookup19:46
@perlmonkey2right, that was never the problem19:47
@perlmonkey2not concat'ing was the problem19:47
+perlDreameroh19:47
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@bopbopperlmonkey2: feel free to go out to my training site to look at the Thingy I refer to in the bug report19:53
@perlmonkey2bopbop: err, sorry but I don't know the url19:53
@bopbopI'll provide it19:54
@perlmonkey2With the Thingy, when adding a thing to another thing, can you only add things that have already been instantiated?20:02
@bopbopperlmonkey2: a Thing isn't being added20:03
@bopbopa record in a thing20:03
@bopbopis being created20:03
@bopbopand the field in the cross-linked thing isn't displaying all possible values20:04
@perlmonkey2Let's say you have container Thing and Fruit thing.  You create a basket and want to add fruit to the basket.  Fruit can be apple, pear, or bananna.  When you create the basket I don't think you can add Fruit to it, but only an already create apple, pear, or banana.  Can someone tell me if this is correct or not?20:05
@preactionyou're correct, but i think she's saying that the new Basket is not showing Apple Pear and Banana, it's missing some20:06
@bopbopright20:06
@bopbopthe original container thing is only displaying apple and banana20:07
@bopbopno pear20:07
@bopbopbut I made all three fruits a possible field value in the fruit basket20:07
@perlmonkey2preaction: but the apple, pear and banana haven't been created yet.  They are only possible options for the fruit20:07
@bopbopthe FIELD should display all as possible values though20:08
@bopbopif someone gives me a fruit basket, and there are three fruits to select from, I should be able to select from all three20:09
@bopbopright?20:09
@perlmonkey2I'm not sure if they have to be created already or not20:09
@perlmonkey2you're saying no and I'm guessing yes20:09
@preactionso we created a Fruit thing and a Basket thing, right?20:10
@bopbopbut it's a select box- shouldn't I be able to select from all  possible values?20:10
@preactionthen we added some Fruits to the Fruit thing20:10
@perlmonkey2yes, which in my mind are definitions of things.20:10
@bopbopthe fruits aren't the thing20:10
@perlmonkey2preaction: only 2 of the 3 fruits though20:10
@preactionso we have Apple, Pear, and Banana as Fruits in the Fruit thing20:10
@bopbopin a select box20:10
@perlmonkey2preaction: apple, pear, and banana re possible fruits.  We only have 2 created20:10
@bopbopyou can choose apple, pear, or banana20:10
@preactionoh, this isn't a Thing linking to another Thing?20:11
@perlmonkey2yes it is20:11
@perlmonkey2a basket containing a fruit thing20:11
@bopbopno, a basket linked to a fruit thing20:11
@perlmonkey2but the basket can only add two of the fruits.20:11
@bopbopthrough a common field20:11
@perlmonkey2oh20:11
@perlmonkey2I thought you added the fruit thing to the basket.  I'm an idiot20:12
@bopbopit's confusing terminology20:12
@bopbopyou're not an idiot20:12
@perlmonkey2I need to read the specs on Thingy because in your Employee Contact Information, "Department" is a "Employee Department Assignment" being linked on the "Department" field.20:14
@bopbopI can email you exactly what I did to create it if you want20:15
@perlmonkey2Which in my head translates into a Basket having a fruit-type field which is a fruit which links on the fruit's fruit-type.20:15
@perlmonkey2I think I understand what you did.  I'm not sure what the Thingy is supposed to do.20:15
@bopbopok20:16
@perlmonkey2What it's like 6pm in the Netherlands.   Those guys all go home early?20:16
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juani have the next error20:19
juanhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m29ad16ba20:19
juancan i fix it running rebuildLineage.pl?20:21
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@preactionjuan, you might be able to. most likely there's an asset with that lineage that can't be instanciated (is broken). you'll need to remove it20:23
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juani ran rebuildLineage.pl and the error was fixed20:33
juanthanks20:33
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+perlDreameranyone tinkered with this yet? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/09/1558218&from=rss20:40
@preactionperlDreamer, not yet no20:59
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+perlDreamerrizen: In t/Workflow.t it says that the workflows should check to make sure that you don't make mismatched activities (those that require user objects vs version tags and so on).  Do you want that coded in?21:24
@rizenwhat do you mean "coded in"21:25
+perlDreamerRight now Workflow.pm does not do that checking.  Do you want me to add that code to Workflow.pm to make it do that?21:27
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wgGuest23Hello!21:34
+perlDreamerHello, wgGuest23.21:34
@perlmonkey2hello21:34
+perlDreamerIf you wish, you can set a name for yourself by typing /nick myName21:34
wgGuest23Any news when WRE 085 is coming ?21:34
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JmackDoes someone know when WRE is coming out? 2 days, 2 weeks etc?21:37
@preactioni know it's being worked on21:37
JmackI saw that on svn..21:38
SynQah21:38
SynQKarma well received :)21:39
elninoto add a site with wre, all I have to do is run addsite? do I create a db first? or is it using the same db asmy othersite?21:39
Jmackjep ;-)21:39
@preactionelnino, addsite creates the DB for you, and does everything else necessary21:39
elninocool.21:39
JmackI'll contact you soon.. SynQ21:40
JmackHave to go..21:40
+perlDreamerJmack, were you part of the Dutch Invasion Force this year?21:40
JmackNo21:40
Jmacknever been at a wuc21:40
JmackWhen will there be one in NL?21:41
Jmack:-)21:41
+perlDreamerSounds like an RFE21:41
+MrHairgreasethere has been one21:41
+MrHairgreasein amsterdam21:41
Jmackyeah I know..21:42
+MrHairgreasein 2005 if i'm not mistaken21:42
JmackBy then I was quite new to WebGUI..21:42
Jmacknext time ;-)21:43
+MrHairgreasewho knows21:43
+perlDreamermaybe next year you could come the USWUC, and ride inside SynQ's luggage?21:43
Jmackhaha21:43
SynQJmack: WRE will be out soon I hope21:43
+MrHairgreasesynq's luggage is already filled with ego21:43
+MrHairgrease=)21:44
SynQI cannot release it though21:44
JmackOk, was wondering when I could upgrade my server.. 21:45
JmackI'll check the site in a few days, or here on IRC21:45
Jmackcu21:45
+MrHairgreaselater21:45
SynQcu21:45
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+MrHairgreaseah21:46
+MrHairgreasetime for the kroegentocht!21:46
+perlDreamerJust what I was thinking.21:46
+perlDreamerwhatsa kroegentocht?21:47
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7449 /translations/Slovenian/ (162 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server21:48
+MrHairgreaseit's a tour along a whole slew of bars, which in this case we have in order to aquaint orselves with new members of the koornbeurs21:48
+perlDreamerkoornbeurs? Are those like koenbiers?21:49
SynQrizen: can I implement this rfe? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/innodb-in-wre21:49
@rizenhow would you implement it?21:50
SynQchange the compile options for mysql probably21:51
SynQie, remove this from the build.sh script --without-innodb21:51
SynQthen innodb support will be compiled into mysql21:52
SynQin fact I think that is all there is to it21:52
SynQrizen: have you been working on the WRE lately?21:55
SynQsince I have a few more hours to work on it today21:55
SynQI could add the needed perl modules to the build script too21:56
elninopreaction, addsite works slick!  Since I don't have my domains pointed here yet, All I should need to do is change the proxy file <VirtualHost *:80>21:56
elnino to <VirtualHost withanipaddress:80>21:56
elnino right?21:56
SynQdo you keep the prereqs source files in a special place somewhere?21:56
@preactionelnino, you shouldn't need to. you should just add the domain name to the /etc/hosts file21:56
elninoit's hosted somewhere else right now. 21:57
elninoI need to develope the site and access it by ip for now.21:57
elninoand actually, there are two new ones, so I was thinking of doing them at different ports like 83 and 8421:58
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@preactionelnino, then put the ip address in your hosts file maybe? your local one. or give it some ServerAlias and put that IP in your hosts file22:03
SynQpreaction, perlDreamer, MrHairgrease please do me a favour and reply to my question: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/what-makes-you-donate-your-karma22:03
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SynQrizen: I'm testing the compile for a build.sh without the --without-innodb switch now22:12
SynQofcourse it takes 25 minutes to compile it all :)22:12
+perlDreamerI can remember when it took 25 minutes to compile perl22:12
SynQperlDreamer: I compiled perl once on a HP-UX 9.x machine22:13
SynQit took 3 days22:13
SynQand that was perl 5.0 :)22:13
+perlDreamerI guess I was lucky to have my Sun Sparc 10 then :)22:13
SynQit took me 3 weeks before I got perl to finish compiling succesfully though22:14
SynQand a day after I found out there where pre-compiled packages at a very nearby mirror22:15
SynQrizen: did you see my comments and questions?22:19
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SynQhi monkey222:19
@perlmonkey2hello22:21
SynQI recieved the karma loud and clearly22:23
SynQbut if you want to try it again, be my guest :)22:23
+perlDreamerIt would be nice if users could add karma to their bugs, and the person who closes the bug gets the karma.22:24
+perlDreamerditto with RFEs22:24
SynQI agree22:24
+perlDreamerthat would then give us devs karma to play with22:24
SynQI bet there is even an rfe fot that22:24
+perlDreamerand then there's a karma cycle/economy22:24
+perlDreamerwhere consumption =~ production22:24
@rizenthe --without-innodb switch is part of it22:27
@rizenbut i've also removed all of the innodb stuff from the mysql config file22:28
SynQI think technically that solves the RFE22:28
SynQsince the RFE only asks for the builtin innodb engine22:28
SynQnot for any configuration22:28
@rizensorry22:29
@rizenwhat i mean is..there should be the no-innodb or skip-innodb added to the default config22:29
@rizeni forget what it's called22:29
SynQoh ok22:29
@Haargthat's already in there afaik22:29
SynQI'll look that up22:29
SynQand make sure mysql starts22:29
SynQperlDreamer: I've added your suggestions to the RFE list22:32
+perlDreamerI still haven't thought of a larger part for hosters in the karma economy though.22:32
+perlDreamerIt's still slanted toward designers, coders and documenters22:33
SynQhosters are bloodsuckers22:33
SynQthey have to do an extra part to get to the karma22:33
SynQlike translate or document22:33
+perlDreamerwell, even today, translators don't get karma for translating22:35
SynQah22:35
SynQyet another RFE22:35
+perlDreamerthat's a big rfe, since the translation server is completely outside of wG22:35
@Haargyeah, and it has no user tracking22:36
SynQperlDreamer: but it is an rfe now22:36
elninohttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/new-modproxy-config-creates-open-proxies - this is interesting. I had upgraded to .84 a while ago, and *Just* added a site. But it's still using the .83 method of proxying. when changes like this occur, what do I do to ensure that new sites get the changes? Does addsite copy the modproxy.conf in the etc file?22:38
SynQplease give me a moment to read all that22:39
@Haargelnino: in general it isn't a problem as it can only proxy to port 808122:40
@Haargit only becomes a real problem if you change it to proxy to port 8022:41
elninook.  but shouldn't the change from the wre v.84 be applied to my new site that I justed added?22:41
elninoI expected to see: RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !.*mywebguisite\.com22:42
elninoRewriteRule ^.*$ - [F] in my new sites' proxy file.22:42
@Haargthat's not the method we used to fix the issue22:43
@Haargbut as i said, with a stock config it is basically not a problem22:43
SynQaddsite uses the templates to create the .conf files22:44
@Haargmodifying those templates through code is rather error prone, which is why we didn't do that22:45
elninook. So when changes are needed to be made to the templated confi files, is that notated anywhere so I can be sure that the latest additions/fixes are applied?22:49
elninosince you don't update them via upgrade proceedure?22:50
@Haarghttps://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template22:51
SynQelnino: the answer to the 'is that notated anywhere' is probably NO22:51
@Haargyou can blame that on me - i should probably stick it in the release notes somewhere22:52
SynQelnino: you could report a bug for that22:54
elninowow. ok. acutlly it's not MUCH different. What has always something I've noticed is the options added to the WebGUI.conf file, which I suppose is treated the same way? I find myself always comparing manually to see "what's New"22:54
elninosynq, ok22:54
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elninohmm.. still trying to figure out how I can have one site on port 80 and another on a differen tport for developemet purposes. Under apache, there is a listen port. So I supect that wre has a listen port of 80, but I need two listen ports. hmm.23:01
SynQYou can add two listen ports to the apache configuration23:02
elninoand it looks like it's defind in the wre.conf23:02
elninoin wre's apache?23:02
SynQsure23:02
SynQit's just like a normal apache23:02
elninowhich file?23:02
@Haargwre.conf doesn't define the operation of apache at all23:03
elninooh.23:03
@Haargit's just settings used for generating configs with the wre scripts23:03
elninoI need a flow chart.23:03
@Haargor for the wremonitor for example23:03
elninotelling me what calls what where on what port. =)23:04
elninoso where would I put the Listen 8080 for wre's apache?23:05
@Haarghttp://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ae37f9d23:05
@Haargthere is a stripped down example of what you need23:05
elninoah. in modproxy.conf there is a listen directive.23:06
@Haargoh yeah23:06
@Haargneed a listen too, sorry23:06
elninoHaarg: that's what I have, and it doesn't seem to be answering: 67.223.227.84:808023:07
elninook. so I do need a listen .23:07
elninoI'll do that now and restart....23:07
elnino=( I keep getting couldn't connec tto webgui site www.domain at www.dooma:80.  It keeps trying port 80 for some reason.23:12
elninosorry, terrible typing.23:14
@Haargwhat do you have inside the virtualhost block23:15
elninoHaarg: it's the default from the addsite.pl. But I noticed that I did not specify the NameVirtualHost. Which from what I just read on the apache docs, that that is what lets me have more than one site on the same IP address. So I should declare that - do I need to have that in all my modproxy files? or just one?23:18
elninoso I will have multiple domains. Bu tthe second and third sites need to be accessed by IP addres for now, till I swithc the DNS records to this other server.23:19
@Haargyou need to have one for each port you are using23:19
elninoAnd I only have one ip addrss, so I will have a separate for for each23:20
elninolike you just said =)23:20
@Haargare you specifying the ip?23:20
elninono I wasn't in the modproxy file,  but it looks like I should based on apache docs?23:20
@Haargthe signature (ip+port) has to match in the NameVirtualHost and <VirtualHost>23:21
@Haargbut aside from that you shouldn't need to specify it23:21
elninook. I defined two ports in the modproxy.conf file using teh Listen directive, and  in my second sites's modproxy file I have a NameVirtualHost 67.223.227.84:808023:22
elninoand <VirtualHost 67.223.227.84:8080>23:22
elninomy first site's modproxy file remains on untouched: <VirtualHost *:80>23:23
elninowith no NameVirtualHost directive.23:23
@Haargthe namevirtualhost for :80 is in the modproxy.conf file23:23
@Haargand the domain you are using resolves to that ip?23:24
elnino?? My first site is accessed by domainname: mediaangels.com on port 80.  my second site will be accesssed by ip address on port 808023:26
elninoDo I need a NameVirtualHosts directive declared for each site?23:26
@Haargah23:26
@Haargno23:26
elninosorry about the confusion23:27
@Haargso what kind of error are you getting?23:27
elninoI'm not getting any, I turned it all off because it broke my first site. we can start from a clean slate23:27
elnino*before* it just was spinning in the browser. couldn't reach the :8080 site.23:28
@perlmonkey2I'm having trouble finding it.  Where would I find the logic that keeps a subscription from using Cash to pay?23:40
@perlmonkey2I need to test out subscription code and don't have an ITransact account.23:40
@perlmonkey2Nor do I want to charge my CC>23:40
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elninohaarg - you CAN have multiple namevirtualhost directives. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html  - I'll give that a try!23:51
@Haargsorry if i wasn't clear23:52
@Haargyou need a namevirtualhost directive for *:80 and for *:8080 (or 67.223.227.84:8080)23:53
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elninothat's what I needed!  =)23:53
@Haargbut you don't need to have one for each site, just each port/ip as you are using in the <VirtualHost> header23:53
elninoright.  =) Thanks!23:53
elninofeeling hopefull - soon find out.23:54
--- Day changed Wed Sep 10 2008
SynQok00:00
SynQinnodb support is in the WRE :)00:00
SynQHaarg: I updated the changelog of the WRE to reflect your revision 7443 commit too00:01
SynQperlDreamer: can you close this bug again? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/ap_get_server_banner-used-in-xsloader.pm00:11
SynQI fixed it00:11
SynQor someone else, perhaps my I should ask perlmonkey2 since he gives out karma for fixing bugs00:12
+perlDreamerIt's closed00:12
SynQthanks00:12
@perlmonkey2I guess I should bookmark the karma gift link00:13
+perlDreamerThis one's on me00:13
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: What's your bug fixing tip amount?00:14
@perlmonkey2well the 8 bit fix I gave out 15000:14
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SquOnkHi everyone00:14
@perlmonkey2hello SquOnk00:14
+perlDreamerHi, SquOnk!00:14
SynQhi SquOnk00:15
SynQany news on the debian front?00:15
SquOnkNot really.00:15
SquOnkLet me check00:15
elninohaarg: oh good grief:   http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7d9279f00:15
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: that bug was basically a documentation fix.  So what, 300?00:15
SynQnah00:15
SynQ300 is way to much00:15
SynQ50 at max00:16
+perlDreamerI gave him 7500:16
SquOnkWe're still number 5 in the NEW queue.00:16
+perlDreamerbecause he's koen00:16
@HaargNameVirualHost *.86 -> NameVirualHost *:8600:16
@perlmonkey2hah00:16
SynQyou guys are too sweet00:16
SquOnkAt least I have confirmation from my sponsor that IF webgui gets into Sid he will push for the migration to Lenny.00:16
+perlDreamerManaging an entire economy is difficult00:16
SynQperlDreamer: perhaps you can help me squash this bug too: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/wremonitor-doesnt-say-which-site-generated-an-error00:17
elninomy browser just sits and spins when I try to access the sites on port 85 and 86 ie: 67.223.227.84:8500:17
SquOnkI can confirm that the 7.5.21 package installs cleanly on any freshly installed Lenny box, so it will work.00:17
@perlmonkey2SquOnk: that doesn't happen automagically?00:17
SynQSquOnk: that is great00:17
SquOnkperlmonkey2: No, because Debian is in the "freeze".00:17
@perlmonkey2oh00:17
+perlDreamerSynQ, do you just want it closed?00:17
SynQperlDreamer: no00:17
SquOnkperlmonkey2: While the freeze is on, there's no automatic migration from Sid to Testing. It has to be requested by a DD and handled by an FTP Master.00:17
SynQI need some help in getting the right variable from $spectre->getWorkflowsPerSite($report);00:18
SynQso I can put it in the subjectline 00:18
+perlDreamercan you paste me some output?00:18
@perlmonkey2SquOnk: Else it waits for the next cycle/00:18
@perlmonkey2?00:18
SquOnkperlmonkey2: Exactly.00:18
SynQperlDreamer: have a look at line 105 of /data/wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl00:18
SquOnkperlmonkey2: But as I said, the 7.5.x packages will be available from my repository.00:19
SynQI think all that is needed is add the $sitename to the sendEmail command00:19
@perlmonkey2SquOnk: That is pretty cool of you to host that.00:19
SquOnkNow I'm working on getting 7.6 to work with PostgreSQL00:19
SynQand that would fix the bug00:19
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SquOnkI have a question today, though00:20
SynQperlDreamer: see what I mean?00:20
+perlDreameryes00:20
+perlDreamerbut where does the sitename come from?00:20
SynQbut I don't know how to get sitename from $_00:20
SquOnkI have something like "^/someplace" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru" in urlHandlers00:21
SynQI guess the site-id (or something like that) should be gotten from $spectre->getWorkflowsPerSite00:21
SynQand then that should give us the sitename00:21
SquOnkI have Alias /someplace /the/actual/dir In the Apache2 config, along with a proper <Directory /the/actual/dir></Directory>00:21
SquOnkIf I get http://localhost/someplace/index.html it works. If I get http://localhost/someplace it does not work.00:22
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SquOnkI have the Indexes option enabled in the <Directory> stanza00:22
SquOnkIf I _remove_ webgui from the config, everything works :-)00:22
SynQperlDreamer: getWorkflowsPerSite is in line 232 of /data/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm00:22
@Haargit may be simpler to use a rewriterule00:23
SquOnkHaarg: You think?00:23
@Haargwell, are you using a single apache process?00:23
@Haargor a proxied config?00:23
SquOnkHaarg: Yep00:23
SquOnkHaarg: No, it's a single server. It's used for webgui, a local debian mirror (/debian) and documentation (/doc).00:24
SynQperlDreamer: if I can read it states there that the sitename is in that datastructure00:24
@Haargwell, apache would normally do a redirect in that case00:24
SquOnkNeither /debian nor /doc work00:24
SquOnkBoth are listed as I described before.00:24
@Haargso you could do the redirection as a rewrite00:24
@Haargnot certain on how webgui is interfering00:24
+perlDreamerSynQ, I'm not sure about that00:25
SquOnkMe neither :-)00:25
SquOnk "^/debian" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru"00:25
@Haargin the data structure coming from getWorkflowsPerSite, the key is the site name00:25
SquOnkThat should make any URL starting with /debian pass thru to Apache. And it does, but it always gives me an error.00:25
elninohaarg: i'm using wre's apahec, but I also do have another install of apache that is listening on port 82.00:26
+perlDreamerThanks, Haarg00:26
+perlDreamerSynQ, did you catch that?00:26
SynQI would say something like $workflowsPerSite{$_} should give the sitename then?00:26
+perlDreamerno00:26
+perlDreamer$_ is the sitename00:26
SynQah ok00:27
@Haargwell00:27
@Haargin that loop00:27
@Haargit is using values00:27
SynQI want to use the sitename in the sendEmail line00:27
+perlDreamerYou want to build a list of all sitenames that have too many workflows00:27
+perlDreamerbecause there may be more than one00:27
SynQin line 106 of /data/wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl00:27
+perlDreamerand you need them all for good diagnostics00:27
SynQok00:28
SynQso it is not that simple00:28
+perlDreamerIt's 2 lines instead of 1 :)00:28
+perlDreamermaybe 300:28
+perlDreamerlet me paste you some code to start with, my young Hacker Padawan00:28
SynQ:)00:28
SynQI still have 30 minutes to hack my way through this00:29
SynQso paste away I would say00:29
@Haarg    if(my @sites = grep { $workflowsPerSite->{$_} >= $maxWorkflowsPerSite } keys %$workflowsPerSite ) { 00:29
@Haarg        sendEmail(qq|There are too many workflows running on these sites: | . join(', ', @sites));00:29
@Haarg    }   00:29
SynQHaarg: that would only list all sites that have more then the maxWorkflows00:30
SynQright?00:30
@Haargyeah00:30
@perlmonkey2Hmm, perhaps people could put their Karma on the Bazaar?00:30
@Haarghow so pm2?00:31
@Haargelnino: did you see what i said about the namevirtualhosts being wrong in that paste?00:31
SynQperlmonkey2: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/bazaar-sell-things-for-karma-only00:31
@perlmonkey2Haarg: No idea.  But it might help stimulate the use of Karma00:31
@perlmonkey2SynQ: hah00:31
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+perlDreamerrizen has said he doesn't want people buying and selling karma00:31
+perlDreamerHaarg, you have fast fingers00:32
elninoHaarg: nope, let me look back00:32
@Haargbut buying items on the bazaar with karma (as a vendor choice) might be fine00:32
SynQHaarg: that is what my RFE is intended for00:32
+perlDreamerTime for me to go to the laptop doctor00:33
elninoyour kidding!  grr. Thanks Haarg!00:33
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SynQlet's see if I can get that code into a simple 'show number of workflows per site' script00:34
wgGuest63Hello everyone. Perhaps you can answer my question. I suspect it is easy...00:34
SynQso I can then extend the wremonitor.pl script to give a complete list of all sites that have exceeded the maxWorkflows and how much workflows they have per site00:34
wgGuest63When I add a "wiki" it puts a copy(?) on the main page too. how do I avoid that?00:35
@Haargsimplest way would to be to create a paye layout then put the wiki on that00:35
@Haarg*page00:35
@HaargSynQ, one thing to keep in mind is that the messages are currently kept short so they can be sent via sms00:36
SynQah00:36
wgGuest63Will try. Thank you.00:37
SynQI will00:37
SynQthanks Haarg00:37
elninoHaarg, doh. I wish it was that easy. I typed it wrong in the paste, but I'm using : in the modproxy file. =(00:38
wgGuest63Not perfect, but it works. Thaank you.00:38
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elninowhat abou this??  http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/customizing-wre-configuration00:38
elninodo I need to put in the additinal rewriteCond?00:38
elninothe example for "deal with port number in HTTP_HOST"00:39
elninois what I'm referring to.00:39
@Haargcan you post your modproxy conf?00:39
@Haargif you are using the 0.8.5 config, it shouldn't be needed00:40
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@perlmonkey2Is a recurring postback the exact same kind as a transaction completed postback?00:45
elninohaarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d24c9add4  - thank you for your time in this..  I'm sure it's a dumb mistake on my part.00:45
@Haargsorry, meant the site's modproxy00:45
elninooh.00:46
elninosame pasty00:47
@Haargso what kind of error are you seeing?00:48
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elninoin my modproxyerr log: [Tue Sep 09 21:09:51 2008] [error] [client 209.162.37.159] proxy: DNS lookup failure for: 67.223.227.84:85 returned by /00:49
elninoI updated the paste so that both sites modproxy files are there. if youwant to see both.00:50
@Haargyou could probably replace everything from # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST down with00:50
@HaargProxyPreserveHost On00:50
@HaargRewriteRule ^/(.*) http://127.0.0.1:8081/$1 [P] 00:50
elninowith 8081? or 85?00:51
@Haargwhatever modperl is running on - 808100:52
elninoyep, I did not mess with that.00:53
elninohmm. ok, it's oing to my :80 site.00:55
@Haargthat may be something on the modperl side then00:55
elninowell. I was using 8080 and 8081 but then I found out that you guys are using that, so that is when I switched to 85 and 86.  So from what you see, I have everything setup?  I'll play with this some more later. I have one thing I want to make sure before taking up more of your time.  Thank you for pointing me in the right direction about NameVirtualHosts.00:58
@Haargit looks basically fine to me.  i suspect it is an issue of the servernames on the modperl side00:58
SynQhmm01:02
elninoyeah.... um.. was I supposed to change the modperl port? or can they remain on the 808101:02
elninoI didn't.01:02
SynQperhaps the 64 bit perl thing has been fixed01:02
SynQhttp://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/wre-install-on-ubuntu/15#idW-yeFLLknxPzVUwwSbv3uw01:05
SynQrunning a test compile with the option added by william on a 32 bit debian etch te verify now01:06
elninooh.. I'll just creat new host names for these.This is taking more time that its worth.  thanks haarg. 01:07
elninohaarg: good news: hostnames work great. (read: I'm done now) thanks for your help!01:13
SynQthe 64 bits switch does work on my 32bits debian system01:16
SynQso that is good news01:16
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@perlmonkey2If I wanted to test a reoccurring transaction for a subscription, what would be the easiest way to do that?01:33
+perlDreamerCan you set it to reoccur every hour?01:34
+perlDreameror every 30 minutes?01:34
@perlmonkey2looks like subscription period can only beas little as a week01:34
@perlmonkey2But I don't know if that triggers a new transaction01:35
+perlDreamercan you backdate a transaction, so that it reoccurs in 30 minutes from now?01:37
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: would that work?  Set the subscription to expire in 30 minutes and then spectre will renew it?01:37
+perlDreamerI don't know.  If the subscription period is weekly, then see if you can lie about the start date, and make it 6 days, 23 hours and 30 minutes ago.01:38
@perlmonkey2Do all subscriptions autorenew?01:38
+perlDreamerDon't know :(01:38
@perlmonkey2I don't see how the user can set it to renew or not.01:38
@perlmonkey2or how they would cancel it.01:38
@perlmonkey2I know exactly what the problem is and just need to do this once to tes.t01:38
@perlmonkey2But it has to be a renewal01:39
@perlmonkey2Hmm, that is weird.  If you pay for a subscription it looks like you are in for life :)01:40
+perlDreamerSounds like another bug01:40
@perlmonkey2or until your credit card is no longer valid01:40
@perlmonkey2I'll be back.  Have to go take pictures of dad's bulldozer so he can sell it :)01:41
+perlDreamerHow much does he want for it?01:41
@perlmonkey2$30K01:42
@perlmonkey2It's in pretty good shape.01:42
@perlmonkey2Used it as part of a federal "Make Oklahoma like it was natively" program.01:42
@perlmonkey2bbl01:43
+perlDreamerbye01:43
+perlDreamerSynQ: From what I can tell, you get no karma for adding/updating things in the Bazaar.01:50
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+perlDreamerWith the new Workflow tests, its coverage is 88.7%02:04
+perlDreamerpretty respectable02:04
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+perlDreamerBartJol!02:12
+perlDreamerWhat are you doing awake at this time of the night?02:12
BartJolthe one and only02:12
BartJoleeeh, just came home actually, been talking with a friend02:13
BartJoljust turned on IRC automatically...02:14
BartJolneed help?02:15
+perlDreamerNope.02:15
+perlDreamerJust writing tests02:15
BartJolbut I was actually testing a voip telephone02:16
BartJoland see how my internet connection would work02:16
BartJoldidn'y even had to change tcp/ip settings02:16
BartJolok, well actually sleeping would be a good plan02:18
+perlDreamer$bartJol->sleep(8*60*60)02:18
BartJolerror-> return"sleep suspended till I closed down laptop"02:19
BartJolbut I made my macro more perly today02:19
BartJolthat was a good thing, so I'll rest easy02:20
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BartJolgoodnight, I hope JT will enjoy his fruit02:22
+perlDreamerssh!02:22
+perlDreamerixnay on the uitfray02:22
BartJoler?02:22
BartJolis it you John Wayne, is it me?02:23
+perlDreamers/(\w+?)(\w)ay\b/$2$1/g02:23
+perlDreamerThat's a Pig Latin decoder02:23
BartJolmmm, I don't know what $2 and $1 are , but I assume you're right02:25
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+perlDreamerhm, regexp needs some fine tuning for initial double consonants02:25
BartJolhave to work on my regexes02:25
BartJolwell, goodnight, so long, auf wiedersehen, goodbye02:27
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@perlmonkey2patspam: what's the word?03:11
patspamyo yo!03:11
patspamwas wondering how Survey2 is going?03:11
@perlmonkey2It is going.  But I'm on janitor duties all week, and as you can see from the bug list, I'm busy.03:12
@perlmonkey2I specc'd 100 hours to JT.  I think I'll come in at 50, he thinks 150.  Hopefully we'll find out who was right in the coming week.03:12
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patspamis the branch going to come across anytime soon?03:13
@perlmonkey2Merged into the main trunk?03:13
patspamyeah03:14
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@perlmonkey2Not until it is more functional.  And in the short term it will become much less functional as it is moved to JSON.  But JSON simplifies a lot of the more difficult algorithms, which is why I think it won't take nearly as long as I spec'd.03:14
patspamah ok, so you've decided that JSON is the way to go?03:15
@perlmonkey2I didn't, JT did.  preaction had me convinced to give another go at better indexing of the DB.  But JT had other reasons for the JSON, largest being packaging and versioning.03:15
patspamyeah i guess it's pretty cool to get versioning for free03:16
@perlmonkey2Pretty cool idea though that you could package a survey and deploy it at other sites, even sell it on the bazaaar :P03:16
@preactionbut you can get both of those without having to go to JSON, it would just take longer03:16
@perlmonkey2You must be deep into JT's mind, because he said that also.03:17
patspamsurvey2 is moving onto my critical path, so I'll probably start contributing code this week03:18
@preactioni mean, if a non-JSON, versioned, packaged collateral mixin that keeps DB normalization is desired, i can try to whip something up. but i don't think you should wait for me03:18
@perlmonkey2If you can let me know more of your timeframe I'll talk to JT and see what's what.03:20
@preactionno need, i don't have one03:20
@preactionit can be migrated to, we've never promised database integrity03:20
@perlmonkey2Okay.  But if there is anything I can do to make it easier (be realistic) just let me know.  03:21
@perlmonkey2All the collat tables are going except for the response ones.  03:21
@perlmonkey2The Survey table is gaining a couple of columns that the JSON collat will inherit (global settings).03:22
@preactioni'm trying to dream up an API right now, but all i'm getting is $self->getCollateral( "type", "id" ); which i don't like03:23
@preactionit's not $self->getType( id )03:23
dionaki have a folder containing collab systems. i want to get the latest post from any of the collab systems in the folder. can anyone think of a sql statement that could do this?03:33
dionakor should i try again tomorrow?03:33
dionaki have sql to get the latest post in a collab system already but i don't see how to basically look up the lineage to see if the parent is the folder in question. 03:34
@preactionthat's one heck of an SQL statement03:34
dionakyea..03:34
dionakmaybe it would make a better macro?03:34
@preactionoh, that's simpler:03:34
@preactionasset.lineage LIKE "<folder's lineage>%"03:35
dionakoh03:35
dionakinteresting. i don't really understand the lineage entry. haven't spent any time understanding it. 03:35
dionakanywhere i can learn more w/o reading code? or is that simplier?03:35
@preactionthe dev guide has a whole chapter on it, if you have one03:36
dionakyes, we picked one up03:36
dionakthanks. i'll read on that tomorrow03:36
@preactioni also wrote that chapter ;-) so it explains what the string means03:36
dionakthat's helpful. :)03:38
dionakthanks for taking the time to write about it. 03:38
patspamperlmonkey2: were you saying there's a new spec doc?03:42
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patspamif so I'd like to have a look so i can start contributing some code03:42
@perlmonkey2patspam: no, just a spec for time.  How long it would take me to do stuff03:42
patspamah ok03:42
patspamit's there a TODO list or something?03:45
dionaknice, preaction. thanks! :)03:51
dionakit works.03:51
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@perlmonkey2patspam: http://pastebin.com/d57aea5ab05:18
patspamah awesome, I was just emailing you :)05:18
patspamI'm hoping to deploy a survey-heavy site by the end of the month, so I'm keen to help wherever i can05:19
patspamI'll use that list as my guide05:19
patspamI might focus on tests until you've done the JSON stuff05:19
@perlmonkey2Sounds good.05:20
patspamcool, I'm off for lunch05:22
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CIA-39WebGUI: koen * r7450 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: added max_join_size=4294967295 to my.cnf to fix warnings at db_install script as quoted in this bug in mysql http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=3534609:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7451 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add default workflow values tests, and promote and demote activity tests09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7452 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow.pm: fix a singlton typo09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: koen * r7453 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/gotcha.txt wre/docs/changelog.txt): updated gotcha and changelog, added innodb support09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7454 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add tests for deleting activities from a workflow09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7455 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add more tests to bring Workflow coverage up to 94%09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7456 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): early work for view EMSBadge template09:41
CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7457 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 4 dirs): This has become so much more than I initially anticipated... Now has a template, a framework to build WebGUI::DataSource in the future, and a way to load data via AJAX so that the edit form actually works09:41
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patspamgo Doug go!10:22
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BartJolhee Bernd_11:41
Bernd_Hi!11:41
Bernd_So that's my first chat experience!11:41
Bernd_Great!11:41
BartJolcongratulations :)11:41
Bernd_Are you guys hanging around here all day?11:41
BartJolwell, I am mostly11:42
Bernd_Is that for the distraction?11:42
BartJolwell, just to help people11:42
BartJoland get some variation11:42
Bernd_I imagine this is a good way to prevent oneself from doing the things one is supposed to do.11:42
Bernd_At least that is true in my case.11:43
BartJolbut the Americans come online at 3 or 4 in the afternoon11:43
Bernd_I should have worked on something else this morning.11:43
BartJolit can be...11:43
Bernd_Alright. I have seen some already yesterday when I did my first tests.11:43
Bernd_I plan to hang around in the chat now routinely.11:43
Bernd_It is a bit more personal than the discussion board.11:44
Bernd_But let me go to work now.11:44
Bernd_I need to pick up my daughter soon. That means I need to get a few things done.11:44
Bernd_See you later!11:45
BartJolSpater11:45
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BartJolMrHairgrease: up to a weafdr? I have an appointment at 18.30 for dinner16:39
BartJolso there16:39
BartJolis not much time16:39
+MrHairgreasehmm16:39
@perlmonkey2Google translate translates 'weafdr' to 'weafdr'.16:39
+MrHairgreaselet's skip it for today16:39
BartJolperlmonkey2: it isn't Dutch16:40
+MrHairgreaseyesterday i did the km kroegentocht16:40
BartJolaaah16:40
BartJolweafdr=wednesday afternoon drink16:41
SDuensinMorning.16:43
+MrHairgreasehowdy16:44
@perlmonkey2What's is the dutch word for 'type' like  a font type?16:50
+MrHairgreaselettertype16:51
+MrHairgreaseletter == character16:51
+MrHairgreasetype == type16:51
+MrHairgreaseonly we pronounce type like teepuh16:51
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@perlmonkey2Hmm, yeah, the joke doesn't work unless type can be used in multiple senses.16:53
+MrHairgreasewhat's the joke then?16:54
@perlmonkey2Two fonts walk into a bar, the bartender says "Get out, we don't serve your type in here."16:54
+MrHairgreasewell I suppose that it could work in Dutch if you'd use the word font.16:55
+MrHairgreaseprovided that the joke is actually funny =)16:55
@perlmonkey2Yeah, that's where I ended up with google translate, using the same word for both.16:55
@perlmonkey2hah16:55
+MrHairgreaseyou can use the word type also in the same way as you just did16:55
+MrHairgreasereferring to a type of person16:55
@perlmonkey2Two letertypens walked into a bar and the bartender says they don't serve your lettertypen in here?16:56
+MrHairgreaseno16:56
+MrHairgreaseit would be something like16:56
+MrHairgreaseTwo letertypen walked into a bar and the bartender says they don't serve your type in here16:57
@perlmonkey2ah, so the problem was google translate not guessing the correct sense of the word I was translating.16:57
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+MrHairgreaseindeed16:57
@perlmonkey2wow, a ML failing to translate correctly, how strange :P16:58
@perlmonkey2MT I mean16:58
+MrHairgreaseMT?16:58
@perlmonkey2machine translator16:58
+MrHairgreaseapparently it doesn't run webgui16:58
@perlmonkey2speaking of webgui, perhaps I should figure out what is up with reoccurring transactions before Haard kills me.17:00
@perlmonkey2s/ard/arg/17:00
+MrHairgreaseoh that17:00
+MrHairgreasemy guess it is in the subscription sku17:00
+MrHairgreasethe process part17:00
+MrHairgreasethat's where the user is readded to the group17:01
@perlmonkey2yes, I've found the problem...it is grabbing the current user id.  Which in a postback is the default, ie visitor :)17:01
+MrHairgreaseaha17:01
@perlmonkey2But coming up with a test is.....more difficult.17:01
+MrHairgreasei borked that17:02
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@perlmonkey2you did?  17:02
+MrHairgreasewell i made it17:02
+MrHairgreasethe problem was that the recurring transaction is impossible to test using the testing framework of Itransact17:02
+MrHairgreasesince they don't offer and XID other than 9999 or so17:03
+MrHairgreaseso I tested it as good as I could17:03
+MrHairgreaseby constructing manual requests17:03
* SDuensin needs recurring...soon! :-P17:03
+MrHairgreasebut of course in those test I was logged in as myself17:03
+MrHairgreaseso at that time it worked17:03
@perlmonkey2Yes, very difficult problem to catch.17:04
@perlmonkey2Not the kind of thing anyone would catch.17:04
+MrHairgreasei always test code i commit as good as i can17:04
+MrHairgreasebut even the eurotrash is fallible =)17:05
@perlmonkey2hah, eurocodeninja17:05
@perlmonkey2I saw the graphics presentation.   I know all about your ninja skillz17:05
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@perlmonkey2Hah, in ITransact/processReoccurringTransaction, I should just make sure that the session user is the same as the transaction user's account.  Could there be any harm in that?17:11
@perlmonkey2It grants the postback an unauthenticated session.  But only after it has alternatively authenticated by knowing the XID.17:12
+MrHairgreaseyeah that's true17:13
+MrHairgreaseyou can pull the user out of the transaction log17:13
@perlmonkey2The Subscription doesn't seem to have any easy access to get the transaction uid.17:13
@perlmonkey2Such an easy fix it *almost* doesn't need to be tested :D17:13
+MrHairgreaseCan't you use Transaction->newByGatewayId?17:14
+MrHairgreaseand then pull the user out of the Transaction17:15
+MrHairgrease?17:15
@perlmonkey2I'm not that familiar with shop, I'll look.17:15
@perlmonkey2That is already used to get the baseTransaction17:16
@perlmonkey2which is duped to get the new transaction17:16
+MrHairgreaseyou'll have to pass the userId to Subscription->apply17:16
+MrHairgreaseso subscvription doesn't need to now the transaction17:16
+MrHairgreaseright?17:16
@perlmonkey2if no user is passed to subscription it uses the session user17:16
+MrHairgreasehang on17:17
+MrHairgreaselet me check something out17:17
@perlmonkey2so I could just $session->user($$option{$originalUserId});17:17
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danny_mkHello everyone17:18
BartJolhi17:18
danny_mkI can't believe Perl does not have a 2.0 OpenId library yet!17:18
danny_mkBeen waiting for OpenId::Consumer for a while but it does not seem like Brad will update the module anytime soon17:19
+MrHairgreaseperlmonkey217:19
@perlmonkey2danny_mk: Is he taking volunteers :D17:19
@perlmonkey2MrHairgrease17:20
+MrHairgreaseWG::A::Sku::Subscrtion::onCompletePurchase is being passed the TransactionItem17:20
+MrHairgreasein there you should get the userId out of that17:20
+MrHairgreaseand pass that into the $self->apply over there17:20
@perlmonkey2that method only grabs $self, nothing else?17:20
danny_mkwish he was, I don't have enought experience to help him out17:21
+MrHairgreasehttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m1dca444517:22
+MrHairgreasesomething like that17:22
+MrHairgreaseit's only example code of course17:22
+MrHairgreasebut that's the idea17:22
@perlmonkey2right on....are you user the transaction will have the correct userid?  I think that is a new transaction which grabs the uid from session.17:23
+MrHairgreaseoh17:24
+MrHairgreasewell in that case17:24
@perlmonkey2no, you were right.  It creates a new transaction object by grabbing * from the transaction table, which contains the UID.17:25
+MrHairgreasefetch the originating Id17:25
@perlmonkey2woot!17:25
+MrHairgreaseindeed17:25
+MrHairgreasewell, i'm happy i did most thing well =)17:26
@perlmonkey2I'm happy you were able to quickly diagnose a solution ;)17:26
+MrHairgreaseno problem17:27
+MrHairgreasenow, how much karma do i get for that =)17:27
@perlmonkey2how much do you want?17:27
+MrHairgreasehow much does plainblack cost17:27
+MrHairgreasethat amount times hunderd please =)17:27
+MrHairgreasenever mind the karma17:28
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+MrHairgreasei have enough anyway17:28
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danny_mkperlmonkey2:  http://brad.livejournal.com/   if you can get him to answer you I would definitely love to find out his progress for OpenId 2.017:32
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@perlmonkey2danny_mk: That guy sounds a little busy.17:36
@perlmonkey2Maybe you can take over the project or offer patches?17:36
danny_mklord have mercy, I just got a new job in wich I have to polish my c++ skills plus I am supporting three websites17:37
danny_mkhmmm.... where do I find the time?17:37
danny_mkI also volunteered to write a chat wobject for webgui17:37
danny_mkwhich to this day I still have not started17:38
danny_mkbut I think it would be great for webgui17:38
SDuensinI hear ya, danny_mk - I'm up to my nose in projects.  :-)17:39
danny_mkI really would love to get to that chat wobject for webgui17:39
@perlmonkey2ajax chat with all logged in users/vistors.  That would be great.17:39
danny_mkyes17:39
danny_mkI wrote some auction software using catalyst and integrated the authentication with webgui17:40
danny_mkI can see a lot of uses for a chat wobject17:40
@preactioni have an ajax chat wobject thingy already, if you want that17:49
@preactionit's more of a shoutbox17:49
@preactionbut it is ajax17:49
@preactioni can package it up and put it on the bazaar tonight17:49
danny_mkbazaar?17:50
@preactionthe new Get Add Ons17:50
@preactionon webgui.org17:50
danny_mkAh, OK17:51
danny_mkPut it out there, I will get it sometime this week17:53
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BartJolwill tavisto will be in da house today?18:15
BartJolhe is18:15
@tavistoim here18:15
@tavistoBart I just sent you an email reply.. Are you interested in attending a webinar today @ 2pm EDT (GMT -4)18:16
BartJolat what times are the weekly webinars normally?18:16
@tavisto2pm Eastern.. However I adjust them for attendees if they are overseas18:16
BartJolcool18:16
@tavistoI think I've got 3-4 people from a Belgium shipping/logistics company18:17
BartJoltimezones confuse me?18:17
@tavistothat will be attending today.. Although the guy said it would be like 9pm for them.. they said it was fine18:17
BartJoloh, ok, not sure whether I'll be back home by then]18:18
@tavistohttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/18:18
@tavistothat's a great webpage to keep track of times18:18
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BartJolnine would be correct18:19
@tavistoit's 5:18pm in amsterdam and 11:18 here in Michigan18:19
@tavistoactually that seems like it's only 6 hours difference18:19
BartJoloh, then it will be 20.00 here, not gonna make that18:19
BartJolyeah, wisconsin is one hour more...18:20
@tavistoah yep18:20
BartJoltoo bad, when will the next be?18:20
BartJolnext week....18:20
@tavistowell I'll confirm the time with these guys in belgium and I'll see what's up. If they can't make today then we can schedule one at a more convenient time for you all18:21
BartJolwell I just wanna learn from your excellent explaning talents18:21
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@tavisto:)18:22
BartJoland of course I do appreciate your concerns for me, don't give them too much credits, I will find a way18:22
@tavistoalright well I will let you know when the next one is 18:22
BartJolthanks!18:22
@tavistoyep no prob18:22
BartJolnow I have to drink a beer with martin18:22
@tavistohah... yes you do.18:23
@tavistogive him my best.18:23
BartJolpriorities18:23
BartJoloh and sarah and some friends also might plan to come here in spring18:23
BartJolI will18:24
BartJoljust a fyi18:25
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SDuensinWhat log should I dig in to find out why an RSS feed isn't loading?  I can't find anything.18:35
+perlDreamerSDuesin, you mean isn't being loaded by WebGUI, or isn't being loaded by the Syndicate Content wobject?18:36
SDuensinI think the wobject.  What I have is a blog that I'm moving the latest 5 posts to the front page...18:37
SDuensinThe front page is empty.18:37
+perlDreamerthe blog is also from WebGUI, via the CS?18:37
SDuensinYes.  And the rss URL is valid in the syndicate WO.18:38
+perlDreamerif you use the RSS url in another reader it works okay?18:38
SDuensinI hit it with wget and it came right up.18:39
SDuensinIt was working.  It stopped when I moved the site from one box to another.18:39
SDuensinDNS and such all seems happy.18:39
+perlDreamerIs the sitename hardcoded in the URL for the SC wobject?18:39
SDuensinYes18:39
SDuensinI have this:   http://www.cloudcircle.com/system-news/system-news-blog.rss18:39
+perlDreamerand those posts should show up here: http://www.cloudcircle.com?18:40
SDuensinYea.  Under "Latest News".18:40
+perlDreamerAnd it doesn't work, even if you log in as Admin18:41
SDuensinNope.18:41
SDuensinLike I said, it did, until I moved the site.18:42
+perlDreamerYou moved the uploads directory as well?18:43
+perlDreamerare you using database cache, file cache or no cache?18:43
SDuensinThe entire /data folder.  Just picked the whole works up and moved it to a new box.18:43
SDuensinCleared my cache after the move.  No idea what I have.  Whatever the WRE uses.18:43
@Haargcache is file cache in the default webgui config18:44
SDuensinUpdated my hosts file, my DNS, crontab, etc.  Everybody resolves correctly (from a prompt at least).18:44
@Haargcan you get other rss feeds ok?18:45
SDuensinNot tried.  That's the only one I have.  Lemme go bang /. or something in there.18:45
SDuensinThat worked.  Lemme nuke it and recreate the WO18:47
+perlDreamerWait!18:48
SDuensinWaiting!18:48
topsubwhen you make a my $form = webGUI::HTMLForm-> object and you go to $form->print does that call close the form? Anyone know.. I can't find it doing it but it seesm it is18:48
+perlDreamerPlease create a package of that SC wobject, so that we can look at it and see what's up.18:48
+perlDreamerPost it as a bug.18:48
+perlDreamerand include the CS in that package, if you can.18:48
SDuensinThe what?18:48
SDuensinOh.18:48
SDuensinDuh.18:48
SDuensin:-)18:49
@Haargseems most likely that it is a server config problem, but it always helps to have more test information18:49
SDuensinMore information?  Want a tarball of the entire site?  :-P18:49
+perlDreamertopsub, no, I think it only prints whatever methods you have called on it.18:49
+perlDreamerSDuensin, sure, with passwords and usernames18:49
+perlDreamercredit card info optional18:49
SDuensinhehehe18:49
@Haargmore information as in the packages as pD said :)18:50
+perlDreamertopsub, I'm wrong18:50
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+perlDreamerit will close the form18:50
+perlDreamerWhen you call new, it makes a footer18:50
@Haargalso, if you haven't cleared the webgui cache you can try that18:50
SDuensinI did, Haarg 18:50
* SDuensin is trying to remember how to package18:51
topsubAh yes i see it now in New, thanks perlDreamer18:51
@Haargedit -> metadata -> make package?18:51
@Haargthen export in the asset manager18:51
SDuensinAh.  Thanks.18:51
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SDuensinperlDreamer - How do you want me to file this bug?18:54
+perlDreamerJust describe what you did.  Made a CS with RSS, made a SC to talk to it, move both to another site.  Breakage.18:55
+perlDreamerattach the packages to the ticket18:55
SDuensinWill do.18:55
+perlDreamerand then say that you want perlmonkey2 to fix it, since he's our best bug fixer18:55
@perlmonkey2hah18:56
SDuensinFiled.19:00
SDuensinFYI, recreating the SC didn't fix it.19:04
@Haargthe SC you posted works as is, and if i import the CS and point it to use that it still works19:04
+perlDreamerThat's good.  Should be easier to test.19:04
@Haargso it has to be a server issue of some sort19:04
SDuensinThat's my feeling.19:04
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SDuensinSpectre have a log somewhere?19:05
@Haargso if you do a wget or curl of the url on the server itself it gets the right content?19:05
@Haargspectre logs in webgui.log19:05
SDuensinYep.  wget worked fine.19:05
SDuensinOoo - errors.  :-)19:06
SDuensin2008/09/10 11:04:03 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::new[1616] - Asset constructor new() requires an assetId.19:06
SDuensin2008/09/10 11:04:03 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::processTemplate[2085] - Can't instantiate template  for asset 2aSuSUjYINUOpB6nLTHaMA19:06
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+perlDreamerWhat is that asset?19:06
SDuensinThat's the SC19:06
+perlDreamerselect a.className, d.url from asset as a join assetData as d on a.assetId=d.assetId;19:07
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix POD spacing19:07
@Haargah, so it's a busted template19:07
SDuensinDamn perlDreamer - you pull that outta your ASCII?19:08
+perlDreamerI have typed that so many times it's not funny19:08
SDuensinhehe19:08
SDuensinWhat is that telling me?  781 rows.19:08
+perlDreamerselect a.className, d.url from asset as a join assetData as d on a.assetId=d.assetId where a.assetId='2aSuSUjYINUOpB6nLTHaMA';19:08
+perlDreamersorry, forgot the where clause;19:09
SDuensin4 rows.19:09
SDuensinWhich makes sense.19:09
* SDuensin remembers when assetId was less insane... 1, 2, 3, etc. :-)19:10
SDuensinACK!  It just showed up!19:10
SDuensinMagic!19:10
SDuensinGuess I didn't press "Save" enough before.19:11
@Haargactually, i think i tested it a bit wrong - if i import the package and view it directly it pukes19:11
@Haargbut that's because i don't have your template19:12
SDuensinIt's just a copy of the original template with the content whacked out.19:13
@Haargdoes it work the same if you use one of the default templates?19:19
SDuensinNot sure now, since it started working.  However, when I set up a test SC with a different feed, I used the same template and it worked.19:19
@Haargthe SC code is so confusing to read through, hard to tell if it is a template issue or a problem requesting the content19:19
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix POD spacing19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7459 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Reoccurring transactions now use the correct user id19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7460 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/updates-to-conf-files19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/wremonitor-doesnt-say-which-site-generated-an-error19:44
CIA-39WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/perl-module-module-exceptionclass-is-not-included-in-wre19:44
@perlmonkey2Can someone with high enough admin permissions check and see if Visitor has rights to create new PB wiki entries?19:46
@preactionperlmonkey2, they shouldn't19:47
@perlmonkey2Hmm, well that one seems difficult and I've just switched to focusing on the easy ones :D19:48
@rizenare you talking about the wiki post thing19:49
@rizenit's a template change19:49
@rizenthere needs to be a variable on whether you can post or not19:49
@rizenand if you don't have rights19:49
@rizenthen hide the edit screen19:49
@rizenit's very easy19:50
@rizenthe problem right now is that no matter who you are and what the privileges of the wiki are19:50
@rizeneveryone can see the edit tab19:50
@rizenand start using it19:50
@rizenbut then you get pretty pissed off when you find out everything you just typed gets thrown away19:51
@rizencuz you don't have privileges to post19:51
SDuensinrizen !19:51
@rizenSD!19:51
SDuensinDude, you see Cappuccino yet?19:51
@rizenno idea what you're talking about19:51
@rizenis it a movie?19:52
SDuensinWHAT?!19:52
@rizena piece of software?19:52
@rizena tasty beverage?19:52
SDuensinMan!  It's what you want to put your desktop stuff in WebGUI!19:52
SDuensinScrew the ZKDesktop I wrote.  This is better.  :-)19:52
@perlmonkey2rizen: Who should I ask to update the PB template then?  Or do you trust me to only slightly bork it up?19:52
@rizenthere is no pb template19:53
@rizenit's just the wiki template19:53
@rizenfix webgui first19:53
@rizenworry about whether pb.com is fucked up later19:53
@perlmonkey2k19:53
@rizennevermind SD, i have seen it19:55
@rizeni just forgot19:55
@perlmonkey2rizen: patspam has a bug with the Thingy's intslider not being adjustable in its start, end, or range.  Since that wasn't spec'd shoudl we move it to RFE or is it a bug?19:55
* SDuensin smacks rizen 19:55
@perlmonkey2Sounds like a bug to me, but it wasn't spec'd.19:56
@rizenrfe19:57
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: are you saying that WB's own RSS doens't work with the SC?  Or just on your packaged instance?20:00
@perlmonkey2s/WB/WG/20:00
SDuensinperlmonkey2 - It didn't work.  Then it magically started to.20:02
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: so is this a closed bug or do I need to attempt a replication?20:05
SDuensinI'd close it.20:05
@perlmonkey2You didn't change anything?20:05
SDuensinNothing.20:05
@perlmonkey2It just started workign?20:05
SDuensinYep.20:05
@perlmonkey2maybe a network issue?20:05
SDuensinOr the moon moved.20:05
@perlmonkey2hah, maybe I shoudl give it a try to make sure.20:05
@preactionor the Hourly Maintenance Tasks workflow started and updated the SC's cache20:06
SDuensinI thought of that, preaction, but I had used the Schedule thing in the admin panel to run them all after I moved the site.20:07
@preactioniirc the RSS feeds don't get updated until the cache gets deleted, also the activity makes sure to not keep hammering 404'd RSS feeds20:08
@preactionha! apparently if you leave the action="" in a <form> empty, firefox uses the URL you're currently on20:09
@preactionwith the query string intact20:09
@preactionlooks like IE does it too20:09
@perlmonkey2SDuensin: worked instantly for me20:11
@perlmonkey2just changed the url to 127.0.0120:11
@perlmonkey2must have been a network issue20:11
SDuensinI tried that, too.  Weird.20:11
* SDuensin is still betting on the moon.20:11
@perlmonkey2your email uid/pwd were packaged also20:11
SDuensinThat's probably bad.20:12
@perlmonkey2hah, 2-1 on the mon20:12
@perlmonkey2moon20:12
* perlmonkey2 shuts his mouth before he adds *more* bugs20:12
SDuensinNuke that package then, ko?20:12
@perlmonkey2sure20:12
@perlmonkey2still there?20:13
SDuensinYup20:13
* SDuensin is a professional lurker20:13
@perlmonkey2I guess asking on IRC if anyone is there isn't the best way to make sure your internet is up.  Power went out for half a second20:15
SDuensinhehe20:16
@perlmonkey2file nuked :)20:16
SDuensinThanks20:16
@perlmonkey2Normally I'd say it was nothing, but now that I live in the sticks, I'm dodging power outages, internet outages and rabid squirrels.20:17
+perlDreamerTwo of those can be fixed, you know.20:18
@perlmonkey2Although since I live in the sticks there will be no city ordinances against my winter project of building the 7 meter 1KW wind turbines and placing them as high as I can find affordable towers.20:18
@perlmonkey2power and which other can be fixed?20:19
+perlDreamerrabid squirrels can be fixed20:19
+perlDreamerbut you have to be a veterinarian to do it20:19
@preactionby fixed you mean killed20:20
@perlmonkey2living in the sticks also means no gun ordinances.  I didn't realize I'd have neighbors who would blast away with their hand guns all evening20:20
+perlDreamerNo, by fixed I mean neutered.20:20
@preactionbut they're still rabid20:20
+perlDreamerthat's ok, at least they can't breed20:21
+perlDreamerand for a few days they'll be totally out of commission20:21
@preactionrabid animals don't breed, they bite20:21
+perlDreamerah, I see20:21
+perlDreamerso they should see a dentist instead20:21
@preactionmy logic is relentless and unyeilding! i shall win!20:21
@perlmonkey23KW of wind turbines averaging half their power should make put me in the black with the power company.    This is going to be the coolest project ever.20:26
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2 is a utility?20:27
@perlmonkey2I hope to be one by this Spring :D20:27
@perlmonkey2although I think I only get $.015KW/h 20:28
@perlmonkey2better than nothing I guess.20:28
@perlmonkey2I pay $.13/KW/h20:28
+perlDreamer$0.015KW/h is $0.36 KW/d which is about $9 KW/m20:29
+perlDreamerabout two two Starbucks20:29
+perlDreamer1/2 pizza20:29
@perlmonkey2But being completely renewable?  Priceless20:29
+perlDreamerInitial expenses for turbines and towers?20:30
@bopbopperlmonkey2: will PB pay for your wind turbines?20:30
+perlDreamer$15-20 K$?20:30
@perlmonkey2Having an excuse to uptool my little wood/metal shop?  Double priceless20:30
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: no way man.  Biggest expense is the towers which are whatever you can find used.20:30
@perlmonkey2next biggest expense is magnets, about $200 for a 7 meter turbine20:31
@perlmonkey2then of course a ton of tonn turning blades and cutting metal and laying resin.20:31
@perlmonkey2s/tonn/time/20:31
+perlDreameryou're going to build the turbines?20:31
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: well just buying them would be boring and not cost effective.  Total luxury item.20:31
+perlDreamerYou are a monster20:32
@perlmonkey2bopbop: I think there is a stipend if you are 50% green or something.  rizen woudl remember.20:32
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: heh, how so?20:32
+perlDreamerBuilding turbines from scratch.20:33
+perlDreamerDefinitely monster level20:33
@perlmonkey2well, they won't exactly be commercial grade20:33
@perlmonkey2the only part that scares me is turning the blades.20:33
+perlDreamerYou'll have to document your project, and submit it to Make magazine when you're done20:33
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: Make is where I'll be getting directions :P20:33
@perlmonkey2I have a friend who put his turbine on hold after the magnets cracked his finger.20:34
@perlmonkey2What does it mean to buy a conference?  Purchase a badge?20:37
+perlDreamerNo clue.20:40
@perlmonkey2Ug, net gain of 2 bugs since Monday.20:42
@perlmonkey2I mean net removal.  20:42
topsubWould it be possible to take the admin console and break it up into section tabs?20:47
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, can you help me close a bug?20:56
@perlmonkey2sure, give me 2 seconds to finish closing one myself20:56
+perlDreamerokay, I'll grab some water and brb20:56
@perlmonkey2okay20:56
@perlmonkey2I meant literally 2 seconds :P20:57
+perlDreamerOkay, I'm working on the gama template bug for the EMS21:06
+perlDreamerbut I don't know how to setup the EMS to test it21:06
@perlmonkey2hmm, and my local EMS is missing the badge template21:08
+perlDreamerthat's because I haven't checked it in yet :(21:08
@perlmonkey2hah21:08
@perlmonkey2glad I gave up on the other ems bug I was going to do :P21:08
@perlmonkey2j/s let me look back over that bug21:08
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: Would a default instance of an EMS work?21:10
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, I'm EMS ignorant21:10
@perlmonkey2then try to create the badge which should load the template?21:10
+perlDreamerand the template is checked in now21:10
@perlmonkey2okay, I'll play with it21:10
+perlDreamerthe template id is wrong in the EMSBadge21:11
+perlDreamerbut it's fixed now.21:11
@perlmonkey2Oh, you are done with the bug?21:12
+perlDreamerNo.21:12
@perlmonkey2Hah, I was trying to figure out how to import the package from the CL21:12
+perlDreameryou need templateFiler.pl :)21:12
@perlmonkey2I see the add a badge page21:16
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+perlDreamerIf I understand this correctly, you need to add a badge, and then buy one to see the template.21:16
@perlmonkey2can't instantiate template21:17
@perlmonkey2hmm, it goes in the ems folder right?21:17
@perlmonkey2when I imported the package it went into home21:17
@perlmonkey2had to move it21:17
+perlDreamerhome?21:18
+perlDreamerthat's bad21:18
@perlmonkey2oh, and I guess my version of the EMS won't have that template in the def21:18
+perlDreamerIf you svn up it will fix that template Id problem21:20
+perlDreameron my system, the template showed up in the Import node21:20
@perlmonkey2isn't the import node a bad place for it?21:23
@perlmonkey2Shoudln't it be the EMS folder?21:23
+perlDreamerNot always21:24
+perlDreamerthere are several templates in there now21:24
+perlDreamermight be a bug/issue with importing via packages21:24
@perlmonkey2hmm, I blew away my old ems, added a new, and still get the can't instantiate tempalte21:25
+perlDreamerI forgot to commit the upgrade script to add the column to the EMSBadge table21:25
@perlmonkey2it isn't in the module you updated21:26
+perlDreamerNope.21:26
@perlmonkey2PBEmsBadge should also be in the def, shoudln't it?21:27
+perlDreameryes21:27
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+perlDreamerSo is this: $session->db->write('ALTER TABLE EMSBadge ADD COLUMN templateId VARCHAR(22) NOT NULL');21:27
@perlmonkey2Ut oh, here comes trouble21:27
@perlmonkey2Are you going to commit these new changes?21:28
@perlmonkey2or should I add them in my instance?21:28
+perlDreameryes, right after I test them :)21:28
+MrHairgreaseperldreamer, shouldn't that column be BINARY21:28
+MrHairgreaseif it isn't it will not be case sensitive21:28
@perlmonkey2assetId's are now binary?21:28
+MrHairgreasethey should21:28
@perlmonkey2I just did a test on Article's assetId which is VARCHAR(22) and it is case sensitive21:30
+MrHairgreasewell, long long ago I sent this mail to the dev list21:32
+MrHairgreasehttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m6dead22821:32
+MrHairgreaseIt was a 'real' mailinglist back then, so you won't find it in the dev forum21:32
+MrHairgreaseI sent that sept 1st 2005, so maybe mysql's behaviour has changed21:34
+perlDreamerbinary it is21:34
@perlmonkey2I wonder if the utf8 collation is what changed things.21:34
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7461 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add default ems badge template21:34
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7462 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm: update default ems badge template id21:34
+MrHairgreasethere is some upgrade script that actually altered all tables in webgui21:34
@perlmonkey2Because at least in my instance [HEAD] VARCHAR is case sensitive.21:34
+MrHairgreasemaybe utf-8 is case sensitive21:34
+perlDreamerso it's $session->db->write('ALTER TABLE EMSBadge ADD COLUMN templateId BINARY(22) NOT NULL');21:34
+MrHairgreasenonono21:35
+perlDreameror is BINARY a field for VARCHAR?21:35
+MrHairgreaseit's something like21:35
+perlDreamerALTER TABLE EMSBadge ADD COLUMN templateId VARCHAR(22) BINARY NOT NULL21:35
+MrHairgreaseLTER TABLE EMSBadge ADD COLUMN templateId varchar(22) NOT NULL BINARY21:35
+MrHairgreaseyeah21:35
+MrHairgreasesomething like that21:35
+MrHairgreasediner21:36
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@perlmonkey2looks like binary might be a better choice, I don't know.  Many mysql string functions default to case insensitive unless one column is binary.21:38
@perlmonkey2But that might be a pain the rear if you want to search on a 'like' and you expect it to be case insensitive.21:38
@perlmonkey2but equavalence is case sensitive.21:39
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'm guessing you have it under control and no longer need my questionable help?21:40
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+MrHaigreaseso, how do i find out who gave me karma21:44
+MrHaigreaseI got an email from info@pb.com21:44
+MrHaigreasebut it doesn't tell me who gave it21:44
+MrHaigreasejust Thanks21:44
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, I'll try and do my best.  Thanks for letting me know that the template stuff wasn't ready yet.21:46
@perlmonkey2MrHaigrease: it will tell you in the next update22:01
+MrHaigreaseok nice22:01
+MrHaigreaselater22:03
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: having any luck?  Want me to try to run through it agaain?22:03
+perlDreamerbadly broken templating and HTML22:03
+perlDreamerstill hacking on it22:04
@perlmonkey2lots of templating bugs in the list.  Maybe we need some design staffers to stomp on them?22:04
+perlDreamerI can finish this one up.  Just foobars from a command line geek.22:06
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7463 /wrebuild/wre/ (sbin/wreupgrade.pl var/upgrades/upgrade_0.8.4-0.8.5.pl): bugfixing upgrade process22:13
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@perlmonkey2func=unsubscribe?userId=userId   would be okay to use as the unsubscribe url of a CS post update email/22:39
@Haargwhat kind of verification would you be doing?22:43
@Haargseems like you would have to go with the option of allowing the user to log in22:44
@Haargsince user ids are discoverable22:44
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topsubfor some reason this javascript file when i put it inside webgui and try to include it its crashes.. but when i stream it from another server it works.. how can i debug where its dying at?22:50
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topsubthis is the page from another server.. http://jquery.bassistance.de/validate/jquery.validate.js22:50
@perlmonkey2topsub: are you using firebug?22:52
topsubyep22:52
topsubtrying to see if the url of the asset got foobar'd22:53
topsubbut i go directly to the asset and click more>> view22:53
topsuband still locks up it seems22:53
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topsubif i go to the asset to try and view it locks up22:55
topsubbut if i add "?func=edit" it allows me to edit the asset..22:56
topsubthe snippet is set to text/javascript22:56
@Haargtopsub: i missed the start of this, but you are trying to add that jquery.validate.js file to your site as a snippet?22:58
topsubcorrect22:58
topsubi have it in there but there is an issue with using it from webgui it seems22:58
@Haargis there a reason you don't want to have it as a file instead?22:59
topsubhmmm, not there isn't.. It is just a lib file. shoudn't have to change it23:00
topsubShould adding it as a file stop the issue of using it in a template?23:01
@Haargi'm thinking the problem is due to the macro parser23:01
topsubstreaming it from the other sie it works but trying add it as a snippet and just do a javascript include int he template locks up the page23:01
@Haargi would recommend having it as a file if only for performance reasons23:03
@Haargthe macro parser may be choking on the regexes in the file, which look similar to macro calls23:03
topsubah23:05
topsubshould i post that as a bug or something?23:05
topsubWould there be a fix for that?23:05
@Haargwell, i'm actually going to work on rewriting the macro parsing code next week23:07
@Haargbut file a bug for it because it would provide a good test case23:08
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topsubAlright23:11
+perlDreamerHaarg, do we even have macro test cases in the test suite?23:14
+perlDreamerI mean for parsing23:14
@Haargi don't know23:14
@Haargwe have something i believe23:15
@Haargbut it's not very comprehensive23:15
+perlDreamerI'll see if I can't throw some time that way23:15
+perlDreamerDo you have specific ideas in mind that you'd want added?23:15
@Haargwell, the important part is the handling of nested macros23:16
@Haargmacros inside macro calls23:16
@Haargmacros returned by macro calls23:16
@perlmonkey2If all I want to do is return "You must log in" but want it wrapped in WG style, am I going to have to create a whole template for that?23:16
@Haargmaybe even macros assembled my multiple macro calls, although i have no problem breaking that if it currently works23:16
@rizenperlmonkey2 no23:16
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, check out Session->Privileges for some ideas23:16
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: cool thanks23:17
@rizenjust return $session->privilege->noaccess23:17
@Haarg*by23:17
@perlmonkey2nice23:17
topsubhaarg added the bug.. Hope i put enough information in there for ya23:31
@Haargshould be fine23:32
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CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7464 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm: Must have accidently deleted a semicolon23:39
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7465 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Users are now prompted to log in, if not logged in, when clicking on an unsubscribe CS email link23:39
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: template debugged, now I'm working on the Template Help00:16
@perlmonkey2pgroovy00:16
@perlmonkey2Is this really a bug?  http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/syndicated-content-grouped-feeds#piQmUJO6ea88FJ5LKfeulg00:21
+perlDreamerNo, it's an rfe00:22
+perlDreamerIt's one opinion vs another, so that's why I think that.00:22
hightekvagabond1yeah, my desired behavior would be different then his, I'd rather see it just sort the two feeds together by date and give me the first 800:25
+perlDreamerNo, they should be interleaved using a custom, user defined weighting algorithm :)00:25
hightekvagabond1Tinkerbell should choose them all00:28
+perlDreamerThat's even better, we don't have to code anything!00:29
hightekvagabond1yep, just catch a faeries00:29
hightekvagabond1s/s$//00:29
@perlmonkey2because in the bug's described algorithm what happens when one of the feeds is short of the required number.  How is the extra slot(s) allocated?00:30
hightekvagabond1well, in the description given, thats the point, if the first feed had been less then 8, then some of the second feed would of been put in..... which is what he wants00:30
@perlmonkey2right, but if you have 9 slots, 3 feeds, and one of hte feeds only has 2 stories, how is its extra slot allocated?00:31
hightekvagabond1feed the slots to the faeries, they don't work for free you know !00:31
@perlmonkey2hmm, well I'll look and see how hard it would be to change00:34
@perlmonkey2And that shall decide if it is an RFE or bug :P00:34
hightekvagabond1That should be your process for everything posted to bugs..... if it's a lot of work it must be a Feature (standard Microsoft philosophy) and there by not a bug so it shall be moved to RFE00:35
hightekvagabond1hmmmm.... I wonder if that concept would work with MY clients ;)00:35
@perlmonkey2Well, this one is quenstionable since the spec doesn't say.00:35
+perlDreamerhightekvagabond1, I though you didn't have clients anymore?  Sold your company?00:35
@perlmonkey2So a request for specific functionality has been posted in the bug list.00:36
hightekvagabond1I've sold 6 companies.... I'm on number 7 ;)00:36
hightekvagabond1Most of my clients now are all Joint Venture clients00:36
@perlmonkey2investors00:37
hightekvagabond1not exactly00:37
hightekvagabond1those come later00:37
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7466 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): finish adding the EMS Badge template00:58
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7467 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backporting templated EMS badge bug fix from HEAD00:58
hightekvagabond1My clients mostly come to me with a concept and no technical resources to get them done, I refine their business plan and use my developers and designers to knock out the project then take part ownership in the project.... when the development of the website is done and we are ready to launch then we talk to investors because they come in and give us the money we need for advertising and to pay me back for the out of pocket 01:00
hightekvagabond1I evaluate possible joint venture clients based on the merit of their idea, their business contacts, and their ability to sell it to an investor01:00
+perlDreamerIs everything you do perl based?01:01
hightekvagabond1yep01:01
hightekvagabond1Pretty much everything I've done for the last 15 years has been perl based, I see no reason to change now01:01
hightekvagabond1your handle always makes me snicker because I always used to say that I dream in Perl and Apache configs.... then I went to the first Perl Conference and one of the quotes on the slides before the keynote talk was Larry Wall saying "I Dream in Perl" and I got very excited and said "ME TOO" so loud that everyone around me laughed01:03
+perlDreamerI would love to do perl full time.01:03
hightekvagabond1so would I, but I spend half my time doing business meetings01:03
hightekvagabond1Anyways.... mostly all that babble was to answer you and perlmonkey2 because the two of you seemed to have some slight confusion over what I really do :)01:04
+perlDreamerWell, you've spoken extensively about frog flinging and a previous company that built a perl CMS01:05
hightekvagabond1I know one of the projects thats launching for us soon is going to be a hosting company that includes WebGui in it's offering01:05
hightekvagabond1Frog Flinging is just a hobby, I bought a small interest in a games company that works at Ren Fest and so I run one of the 15 booths they have out there every year01:06
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7468 /WebGUI/t/i18n/help.t: do not check each help label multiple times02:14
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7469 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/i18n/help.t: backporting i18n/help.t performance enhancement02:14
+perlDreamer60% faster test time for that one02:14
@preactionnice02:15
+perlDreamerit seems impossible that we have 5000 actual tests02:17
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elninoHello! Looking to upgrade to 7.5,    Did the "Thingy" actually replace the "DataForm"? or will the two reside peacefully together for a couple versions?02:31
+perlDreamerThingy replaced SQL Form02:31
+perlDreamerDataForm will be around for a while02:31
elninook.  Thanks!02:32
hightekvagabond1Calling a Thingy by the name "Thingy" makes me snicker02:37
@perlmonkey2http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/image-enlargement-on-products#rH-w_IXum3qZR0Btc8dn_g       Looks like someone was trying to use the <spam> tag which I hear isn't going to be introduced until XHMLT3.002:39
@perlmonkey2DOH :p02:39
+perlDreamerSounds like a job for tab/meg/jon02:40
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topsubhey guys i got this error when we upgraded to 7.5.20 i believe from 7.5.19 http://pastebin.com/m6ffdf85104:19
topsubi added WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::GalleryAlbum to the file and so far seems to be working again. but thought i would just give a heads up04:19
@preactiontopsub, you should probably post that as a bug, along with your fix04:21
@preactionthe GalleryAlbum class should be preloaded really, but we should still fix it04:22
+cap10morgani have a question about webgui + ldap04:35
+cap10morganit's not working for me, and it appears to be because the base for all my account lookup queries is "" (empty)04:35
+cap10morganbut it should be "dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org"04:35
+cap10morganbut nothing i've tried seems to work to get that in there04:35
+cap10morgani tried setting the ldap url to ldap://ldap1.publicinterestnetwork.org/dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org04:36
+cap10morganbut that doesn't work04:36
+cap10morganany other ideas?04:36
+cap10morganeverything else i'm pointing at ldap works, so i know it's not the server04:36
@khennyou need to set the base in the LDAP link properties04:47
@khennyou probably have the LDAP link configured incorrectly04:47
+cap10morgankhenn: that's what i'm talking about05:44
+cap10morganthere's no "ldap search base" box in there05:44
+cap10morganso how do you set it?05:44
+cap10morganaccording to everything i've read, that's how you specify the search dn in the uri06:07
+cap10morganand the webgui code in LDAP.pm uses $uri->dn for the search base06:08
+cap10morganbut it still doesn't work06:08
+cap10morganevery other system uses that as the base and it works06:08
+cap10morganwhen i try to login w/ that, i get "Invalid DN Syntax (34)" as the error06:10
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+cap10morganfigured it out by reading the code some more. i needed to set the "User RDN" value to "dn"06:49
+cap10morganwhich i never would have guessed if not for reading the code06:49
+cap10morganseems like that might be a good thing to put in the documentation?06:50
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Bernd__BartJol: Hey Bart, how is it going?13:40
BartJolhi Bernd__ I'm fine, just had lunch13:43
Bernd__Found any victims today?13:43
BartJolvictims? no13:44
BartJolnot yet13:44
BartJolwill you be my first?13:44
Bernd__Alright. What am I supposed to ask?13:45
BartJolsomething obvious13:45
Bernd__Hm. What did you have  for lunch?13:46
BartJola gado-gado sandwich and one with brie, tomateo soup and a karnemelk13:47
Bernd__Gado-Gado? Karnemelk?13:47
Bernd__Are these dutch terms?13:48
BartJolapparently13:48
BartJolgado gado is sate sauce, cucumber, egg and fried onions13:48
BartJolkarnemelk is milk, but I'm not sure of any translation13:49
BartJolit's not normal milk13:49
Bernd__Sounds good. I am getting hungry.13:49
Bernd__Where do you live?13:49
BartJolbuttermilk I think13:50
BartJolDelft13:50
Bernd__Hey, one of my colleagues just moved there.13:50
BartJoloh, cool13:51
Bernd__He works at the university.13:51
BartJolwhich faculty?13:51
Bernd__Have not talked to him in a while.13:51
Bernd__Don't know exactly. But he is a biochemical engineer13:51
BartJolah13:51
Bernd__So it must be the engineering faculty?13:51
Bernd__Do you work at university?13:51
BartJolno there is a biochemical department at chemistry13:52
Bernd__Ok. I assume he must be there then. I am going to ask next time I talk to him.13:52
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Bernd__So where do you work?13:54
Bernd__BartJol?13:56
BartJolprocolix13:56
Bernd__Ist that an ISP?13:57
BartJolit's an hosting company13:58
BartJolwww.procolix.com13:58
Bernd__Your company?13:59
BartJolwell, koen's13:59
BartJolor SynQ on IRC13:59
Bernd__I see.14:00
BartJolI just work for him14:00
Bernd__Do you work a lot with WebGUI?14:00
Bernd__Or ist that rather a hobby of yours?14:01
BartJolwell, it's a third of my work I think14:01
Bernd__So what do you do? Installation, Administration, Coding, Web Authoring?14:03
BartJol a bit of all actually, so I'm not specialised in anaything :)14:05
BartJoland I translate a lot14:05
Bernd__Oh, so you are responsible for the dutch translation?14:06
BartJolyup14:07
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BartJolFrank is doubting whether he want's to get up I think...14:09
Bernd__Frank? Are you still talking to me?14:10
BartJolwell that's kkhen (I spell it wrong, so I won't call him)14:11
BartJolit's 4 am over at his place'14:12
Bernd__I see.14:14
Bernd__Are you all a big family in here?14:14
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BartJolkind off14:16
BartJolso join the family, we'll make you an offer you can't refuse :)14:16
Bernd__Great. But it depends on the bride.14:17
BartJolmm, maybe it's more WebGUI's harem14:19
BartJoland the wuc is the yearly orgy...14:19
Bernd__But they are all male!!! Almost...14:21
Bernd__BTW, is this being recorded?14:21
BartJolit is actually14:21
Bernd__I suspect perlbot is the spy?14:21
BartJolit's here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/14:22
BartJolso when you ever search something from a couple of months ago, you should be able to find it14:23
BartJolperlbot: math 8*814:23
perlbot6414:23
BartJolhere's the irc wiki http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/irc14:23
Bernd__I remember an old program that was called ELISA (if I remember correctly)14:23
Bernd__Can you make perlbot talk to you?14:24
Bernd__Or was it just LISA?14:24
Bernd__Do you know which one I am talking about?14:24
BartJolnope14:24
BartJolbut it automatically can perform some functions14:25
BartJolperlbot: 8ball (what did I have for lunch?)14:25
Bernd__It was some artificial intelligence fake.14:25
perlbotMagic 8ball says: Yes14:25
Bernd__You could talk to her and she would always reply something vague.14:25
Bernd__Cool!14:26
BartJollike I had "yes" for lunch14:26
Bernd__perlbot: 8ball (Is it going to rain tomorrow?)14:26
perlbotMagic 8ball says: Ask again later14:26
Bernd__Hm. That is not really pleasing.14:26
Bernd__Ok. Enough for today. I need to go back to work.14:26
BartJolperlbot: geoip (87.253.131.249)14:27
perlbotSorry, there is no entry for (87.253.131.249) in the database14:27
Bernd__See you on Monday!14:27
BartJollater14:27
BartJolok14:27
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SDuensinGreetings.17:05
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@perlmonkey2What would be the best way to solve this.  I have two seperate non-www methods in Auth that call $session->privilege->insufficient; if the user has already used the recovery link to recover their password (the auth token gets deleted).  The problem is that since they are non-www methods a style has already been created which then gets another style from $session->privilege->insufficient;.  17:14
@perlmonkey2Any good way to resolve this?17:14
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@perlmonkey2What about just a simple $i18n->get('This password recovery token has already been used.  ').'<link to login screen'; ?17:20
@perlmonkey2I'll take dead silence as approval :D17:20
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@perlmonkey2So quiet this morning17:44
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: On the Thingy with no fields problem, how could this be resolved without changing the thingy to allow using it with no fields?17:46
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@Haargwell, one possibility would be to have a special state that the thing was in when initially created to mark it as not being 'real' yet or something similar.  then you would need some kind of cleanup facility though.  It seems like allowing things with no fields would be a better solution.  i know it introduces complications, but probably less so than the option i just mentioned.17:49
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: yeah, looks like  alot of bugs are with Thingy, so I guess I should resign myself to rewriting portions of it :)17:50
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: This is kind of some tangled highly dependent logic with the Thingies.  What about when a new Thing is created, it also having a default field created.  Like 'name' which defaults to 'text'?18:12
@Haargmy first thought is to hate it18:13
@Haargi haven't thought in detail about the complications of dealing with things without any fields though18:14
@perlmonkey2They're pretty useless without any fields.  And I've already corrected this bug in that you can't click save without having a field added.18:16
@Haargthere's plenty of things that can be added that are useless without additional content, but we don't prohibit those18:22
@perlmonkey2It was a bug like a month ago and no one had a problem with not allowing it to be saved.  But if I solve this one by allowing no fields, I might as well remove the check from the save button for no fields.18:24
Lisettehello, how to do add a cart into my site?18:24
@Haarganother similar problem - create a thingy with one thing, add a field, but remove it from the display/search18:25
@Haargresults in a useless thingy that you can't even delete on without going into the asset manager18:25
@Haargi think there are enough cases where it is just going to have to deal gracefully when there are no fields to display18:26
@perlmonkey2I no long like the Thingy18:26
@Haarghehe18:26
@perlmonkey2you have to be kidding me.  It was as simple as creating a flag for if no fields were found and then not having the paginator grab data if the no fields flag was set.  That is all it took18:27
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Lisettehow to do to add a shop?18:41
@Haargwhat version are you using?18:42
@perlmonkey2Anyone here familiar with the ins/outs of Thingy?18:46
@perlmonkey2I need to some info on how the cross-linking of things was specc'd to work.18:46
BartJolbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer18:48
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@perlmonkey2it isn't even 5 there18:48
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+cap10morganok, still wrestling with ldap + webgui. Here's what I've determined so far (hopefully I'm wrong somewhere):18:55
+cap10morgan1. User RDN must be "dn" because WebGUI uses it to bind to the LDAP directory when auth'ing, so a relative DN (RDN) won't work.18:56
+cap10morgan2. When using LDAP groups, you have to specify the property that determines whether or not someone is a member of a group, but that property must contain the DN of the user because WebGUI looks them up in the authentication table by that value, which must be a DN because of #1.18:57
+cap10morgan3. My LDAP directory (OpenLDAP) uses the POSIX group schema, and that does not store the DN for the members of a group, just their uid.18:58
+cap10morganso unless I'm missing something, I can't use LDAP groups w/ WebGUI18:58
@khennnot sure what you mean by th POSIX group schema, but I tested the groups portion of things against OpenLDAP so I know it works19:05
@khennyou need to provide the dn to the group19:05
@khennou=groups19:05
@khennor whatever19:05
@khennactually the DN is what you need19:05
@khennthe full distinguished name19:05
@khennand19:05
@khennthe LDAP connection you use must be able to see that group19:06
@khennas for binding to LDAP19:06
@khennI seem to remember the RDN being the base yes19:06
@khennthat being said, there is certainly some room for improvement.  Your suggestions on making it easier to configure are welcome19:07
+cap10morganposix group schema: there's an objectclass called posixGroup19:10
+cap10morganand it specifies that the group's name is the object's cn property19:10
+cap10morganand the members are specified by memberUid properties19:10
+cap10morganbut the DN's aren't in there19:10
+cap10morganjust their UID's19:10
@khennyeah unfortunately LDAP doesn't really have a standard for adding users to the group19:11
@khennyou can pretty much do it however you want19:12
@khennso we had to choose a way19:12
+cap10morganyeah19:12
@khennso WebGUI expects the full DN to be stored19:12
+cap10morganwas it designed more around groupOfUniqueNames?19:12
@khennin the group property19:12
@khennI can't remember honestly19:12
@khennI thought it was configurable19:12
+cap10morganfair enough :)19:12
+cap10morganis there a way to specify that i'd like the DN returned by the group membership query via a dereferencing of the UID?19:13
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@khennno because it's expecting you to store the DN19:14
@khenniirc19:14
+cap10morganwell, i mean purely on the ldap side19:15
@khennI don't think so19:15
+cap10morganyeah, that's what i thought19:15
@khennwhich is why we always store the DN19:15
+cap10morgansure19:15
@khennthat way you have the point of reference19:15
@khennotherwise you have to search for the user based on UID19:15
@khennfor each user in the group19:15
@khennwhich can be processor intensive if you have say 10k users in a group19:16
@khennfyi, it's not a standard, but I know for sure domino and OID all store the dn in the group19:17
+cap10morganyeah, that makes a lot of sense19:17
@khennI'm fairly certain active directory does as well19:17
+cap10morganit seems like pam assumes it's just the uid19:17
+cap10morgani think that's how we originally ended up w/ this schema19:18
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+cap10morgankhenn: how would you feel about a patch that added an optional value right after "LDAP Group Property" that was "LDAP Group Member DN Search" so you could specify a search to run to lookup the DN based on the value from the LDAP Group Property?19:44
@khennwell19:45
@khenncan you do the search through LDAP/19:46
@khenn?19:46
+cap10morganyes19:46
@khennfeed it the group and return all the DNs of the users?19:46
+cap10morganin postfix, we have a result_format value of "uid=%u,ou=staff,dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org"19:46
+cap10morganwhich tells it, use that memberUid value you just got as %u and then run that search19:47
+cap10morganso it would be something similar to that19:47
+cap10morganbut are you thinking something else would work?19:47
@khennI'm thinking19:48
@khennso instead of running the query it's running now, it would substitute and use that query?19:49
@khennI can't figure out how it would work19:49
@khennb/c you have to specify uid=%u somehow19:49
+cap10morganwell, it would have to run both19:49
+cap10morganyeah, i would just put that in the help19:49
+cap10morganand for most folks who get DNs back from their group property, they can leave it blank19:50
+cap10morganbut for weirdos like me, we at least can still make it work19:50
@khennI'm fine with it but you'll need to clear it with rizen19:50
@khennas long as it will work as is for everyone else19:51
+cap10morganyeah, it should19:52
+cap10morganok, thanks khenn19:52
Lisettei can use the button add to cart? and how to? 19:54
@bopbopLisette: what version of WebGUI are you using?19:58
@bopbopLisette: if you are in 7.4x still, you need to set up your Products in the Admin Console, then use the Product macro to pull products onto the page. The add to cart button will appear when you do that. If you are in 7.5x you need to set up Shop in the Admin Console, then you can add Product assets from the New Content menu. A menu in the asset will allow you to set your variants and the number in stock- you have to have a positive20:01
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7471 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed style in style upon reuse of password recovery token20:15
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7472 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm: remove debug20:15
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7473 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): fixed: Textarea resizer has a gap between textbox and resizer initially20:15
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Lisette7.520:15
Lisettein the 7.5 i dont found shop20:16
@bopbopShop is in Admin Console20:16
Lisetteno20:16
@bopbopthen you can add Products from the New Content menu20:16
+perlDreamerMust have 7.5.11 or higher for Shop20:16
Lisettethere is product20:17
@bopbopyep20:17
@bopbopyou might have to use the old commerce, Lisette20:17
Lisettei have 7.5.2020:17
Lisetteand i dont found20:17
@bopbopok, then you should be able to add a Product, and then use the menu that appears in the asset to create variants and indicate the number in stock20:17
@bopbopwhat aren't you finding?20:18
Lisettewait me20:18
+perlDreamerShop is in Admin Console, Product is in New Content20:18
Lisetteok, i see in a new content20:18
Lisetteand there is in admin console20:18
Lisettesorry20:18
Lisetteyes, thanks20:18
Lisetteand for to add new product in the shop is with product?20:19
@bopbopyes20:19
Lisettethanks20:19
@bopbopsure20:19
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+cap10morgankhenn: fyi, we found another way around the problem that's a better solution (and stores DN's in the member attribute of the groups). so no patch necessary. :)22:01
@khenngreat22:02
@khennthat will ultimately make using LDAP with other stuff easier as well22:02
+perlDreamerand now LDAP is testable, too22:05
+perlDreamerSomeone put out a mock LDAP server on CPAN22:05
+perlDreamerInside of Workflow/Instance, what is the purpose of the _started flag?22:26
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knowmaddoes anyone know how to write an SQL function that can parse a newline separated list of values?22:30
@preactioni think mysql has a split()-like function22:31
+perlDreamerhttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/string-functions.html22:31
knowmad"MySQL does not include a function to split a delimited string"22:32
knowmadthat's in the first comment on that pg22:32
+perlDreamerwhat do you need to do with the data, knowmad?22:32
knowmadwe're trying to write an SQL Report that can read from a multi-select list which populates the database field using newline separators22:32
+perlDreamerand you want to see if some value is in that multi-select list?22:33
knowmadi want to iterate over that list22:34
knowmadwe're considering a macro in lieu of sql report22:34
+perlDreamerI'd go that route22:34
knowmadOK, thanks for input22:34
+perlDreamerIf you only want to match against that field, then I might have an idea22:35
knowmadregex?22:35
+perlDreamerNo, something similar: find_in_set22:35
knowmadoh, didn't know about that one22:35
+perlDreamerI found it while writing the Tax module22:36
knowmadHowever, "A string list is a           string composed of substrings separated by           "," characters."22:36
+perlDreamersure, but you can function that string and replace commas with something else, and newlines with commas22:36
knowmadwG stores multi-select list selections as newline delimited 22:36
+perlDreamerin any case, it won't help you iterate over the list elements22:37
knowmadthat's part of my problem 22:37
knowmadno, it doesn't look like mysql can do iteration over string of elements22:37
@HaargperlDreamer, _started just notes that the workflow has started running, which indicates whether it should automatically be run on DESTROY, or if spectre needs to be notified of any changes.22:38
+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg22:38
+perlDreamerI started writing Instance.pm tests, and I think it's going to be a rough one.22:38
@tavistohey PerlDreamer, I found a webpage that I'm confused about.. It almost looks like WebGUI 6.x was in Suse 9.1?22:40
@tavistohttp://www.rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/SuSE_Linux_9.1.html22:40
@tavistoam I totally reading this wrong?22:41
@Haargow :(22:41
+perlDreamerNo, but it's really old WebGUI22:42
@tavistoyeah I know22:42
+perlDreamerI wonder who used to maintain it22:42
@tavistodunno, kinda crazy22:43
@preactionclick the link, it shows you22:43
+perlDreamertuukka.pasanen@ilmi.fi22:43
@tavistoah Okay22:43
@tavistowell crap that means they must have burned out in ole 6.x22:43
+perlDreamerhttp://www.pasanen.net/22:44
+perlDreamerMaybe you should contact him and get him to get started up again22:44
+perlDreamerIf that happened, we'd have native installers for Debian _and_ SUSE22:44
+perlDreamerwhich means that the Fedora people might get fired up22:45
+perlDreamerp.s. Sorry about the spam, tavisto22:45
@tavistoI'm writing the email right now22:46
@tavistoI'm just waiting to hear back from Ubuntu22:46
@tavistobut yeah if we could get this guy fired back up.. (if he doesn't hate us from 6.x days) then that would be amazing22:46
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+perlDreamerhowdy, wgGuest3122:50
wgGuest31hello22:50
+perlDreamerDo you have any WebGUI questions?22:51
wgGuest31is this where I can get some possible solutions to my WebGui problems?22:51
wgGuest31yes22:51
+perlDreamerPlease feel free to ask away22:51
wgGuest31I've been using Webgui for several years......22:52
wgGuest31for our corporate website22:52
wgGuest31and....22:52
wgGuest31we always ranked very high with search engines22:52
wgGuest31we recently moved to VMware22:52
wgGuest31now we have lost all ranking with all search engines22:52
@preactionwgGuest31, i don't think those are related22:53
@HaargperlDreamer, do you have everything backported that you are going to?22:53
+perlDreamerHaarg, I could backport the Workflow tests22:53
+perlDreamerAre you getting ready for a release?22:53
@Haargyeah, it'll be a while though22:53
+perlDreamerI'll backport for .2322:54
+perlDreamerThere's nothing crucial in there22:54
@Haargok, sounds good22:54
wgGuest31I heard there is a network appliance that can be purchased to integrate WebGui with VMware...is this true?22:55
+perlDreamerwgGuest31, there is an VMware player app that can be used to evaluate WebGUI.  I don't know how it would work in a production environment.22:55
@preactionwgGuest31, there is a free WebGUI / WRE distributed as a vmware appliance, yes22:55
+perlDreamerhttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=13309122:56
wgGuest31Preaction, how can I get info on this appliance?22:56
@preactionwgGuest31, perlDreamer just posted a link22:57
wgGuest31thank you.  Have either of you heard of this issue before?22:57
+perlDreamerWith loss of Search engine rank?  Yes.  But it usually related to changes in the search engines, not in WebGUI22:57
wgGuest31ok.  It happened almost instantaneously when we moves it over.  The website works fine....just no longer ranked or even searchable22:58
+perlDreamerSo you can't reach it from the outside world anymore?22:59
wgGuest31yes....we can reach it no problem from anywhere.  It's solely an issue of not coming up on any searches22:59
@preactiongoogle doesn't index instantaneously22:59
wgGuest31it's been like this for 2 months23:00
wgGuest31I've registered with google etc... as well23:00
@preactionunless you got yourself blacklisted by trying to do something bad, the two things are not related23:00
wgGuest31I doubt that very highly.  we're a municipal government...just "nice" things23:01
@preactionsomething bad like trying to spoof keywords or trying to artificially enhance your ranking. what are you searching for that you feel you should be appearing on?23:02
@preactionare you sure there aren't better results?23:03
+perlDreamerwgGuest31, my church was blacklisted for two weeks when the webmaster accidently reconfigured a server to be an open relay.  It may not be intentional on your part.23:03
wgGuest31oh really?23:03
wgGuest31maybe I should investigate that?23:03
+perlDreamerwell, if the move to VMWare is connected with your loss of ranking, it's possible23:04
wgGuest31Thank you Gentlemen.....at least you've given me another place to look23:04
+perlDreameror, the ranking alrorithm may have changed23:04
+perlDreamercould be all sorts of stuff23:04
wgGuest31much appreciated23:04
wgGuest31yeah23:04
wgGuest31I might be back :)  thanks guys23:05
+perlDreamergood luck ;)23:05
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+perlDreamerEvery so often I feel like WebGUI is this little piss-ant piece of nowhere software.23:05
+perlDreamerThen someone like wgGuest31 pops in and reminds me that really is used all over the place.23:06
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: You here?23:20
+perlDreamerHaarg, I've committed everything I want to for HEAD for a while, too23:21
+perlDreamerI'll hold off any new commits until after the release23:22
+perlDreameroh, and thanks for fixing the failing Workflow Activity test23:22
@Haargi fixed a test?23:22
+perlDreamerWell, it didn't fail last night23:22
+perlDreamerso I figured you fixed it23:22
@Haargheh23:22
@Haargi don't know exactly23:23
+perlDreamerYour hack-fu is so strong, it just gave up.23:23
@Haargi spend far less time on testing stuff than i should as i'm sure you're aware23:23
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I am now23:26
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, I think you fixed this bug, too23:30
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/user-not-being-extended-in-group-upon-subscription-renewal#Lnq7w5vbiuj6FdMKjxhkbg23:30
@perlmonkey2oh yeah, that woudl be a side effect23:30
+perlDreamerHaarg, I always appreciate everything you do, and don't worry about stuff people don't do.23:31
@perlmonkey2Is there a way to limit which version tags a CM can commit?  Like if you have luser CM but don't want them comitting admin's versions?23:48
@rizenyes23:48
@rizenedit the version tag23:48
@bopbopyou can assign a group to use to a version tag, but let's not bash the CM's23:48
@rizenand set the group to comit23:49
@perlmonkey2bopbop: that is just short for local user :D23:49
@bopbopoh23:49
@bopbopmy bad23:49
@perlmonkey2bopbop: no, it wasn't a nice thing to say, you're right23:49
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nubainteresting http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/25077.wss00:09
@preactionthat looks like something we should probably keep an eye on00:16
nubathe Content Management Interoperability Services (CMIS) standard specification ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/data/ECM/content/cmis.zip00:18
nubadownloaded, reading now00:18
nubaits still 0.500:19
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+perlDreamerand the state of Nevada redeems itself00:43
+perlDreamerIt only takes 2.5 weeks to get an email answered00:43
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@tavistoheh... that's because they're all busy playing Wheel of Misfortune perldreamer01:34
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+perlDreamerWheel of Misfortune, the official game of WebGUI developers01:59
+perlDreamerI'm going to have to mock Spectre02:00
+perlDreamerThis could be fun!02:00
@Haargfor the workflow tests?02:01
+perlDreamerWorkflow/Instance.pm, yup02:01
@Haargi was looking at the spectre tests, and noticed they were always skipping02:02
@Haargbecause they depend on the wre libs and that they are located in the standard location02:02
@Haargdefinately want to change that02:02
@Haargall it uses that for is to know if the apache servers and spectre are up02:03
@Haargwe should probably just have another env variable to enable/disable 'live' tests like that02:05
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+perlDreamerI'm just looking for a way to trap the $spectre->notify calls in Workflow/Instance.pm02:06
+perlDreamerI'd like to decouple WRE dependence from the tests02:06
+perlDreamerotherwise, they won't run as native debian packages02:06
+perlDreamerI keep thinking of Apache::Test for doing that kind of stuff02:07
+perlDreamerbut then I usually go back to API testing :)02:07
+perlDreamerGo perlmonkey2!02:10
+perlDreamerRelease monster02:10
+perlDreamerHaarg, I think this will do the trick: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m266f873c02:11
@Haargneedto port my errorhandler text fix before i forget02:12
@perlmonkey2patspam: how goes it?02:12
+perlDreamerHaarg: Did you figure out why it's failing in the smoke tests?02:12
patspamperlmonkey2: good man, just finished breakfast :)02:12
patspamhow's janitor duties going?02:13
@Haargit's because it only outputs in debug mode or if debug is on in the log.conf file02:13
@Haargi just added a mock of is_debug02:13
@perlmonkey2patspam: they're going.  Last I checked there were *only* 32 bugs left02:13
@Haargso the code always thinks log4perl wants debug output02:13
@perlmonkey2But I'm on support next week so not sure how much I'll be able to get done on the Survey02:13
+perlDreamerthat's weird, because I mocked isDebug in the log4perl object02:13
patspamah damn!02:13
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, most of those are layout bugs02:14
+perlDreamerdang, it's the wrong method name02:14
@perlmonkey2patspam: well I'm off the clock now :)  so maybe I can get some Survey stuff done tonight02:15
@Haargwhere did you mock that pD?02:15
+perlDreamerWebGUI::Test.pm, sub interceptLogging02:15
@Haarg7.6?02:15
+perlDreamerbut there's an alias to isDebug, is_debug02:15
@rizenpm2: you're back to survey after next week02:16
+perlDreamer7.6 only02:16
+perlDreamergrrr02:16
@Haargok02:16
@Haargwell, is_debug is mocked in 7.5 now02:16
+perlDreamerI'll add it to 7.6, and backport the other method too02:16
@Haargok02:17
+perlDreamerthen I'm going to equalize the tests so that both branches are balanced02:17
+perlDreamerexcept for new stuff02:17
@rizenpm2: i take that back...unless you and Haarg get the bug list cleaned up...you're back on bugfix duty02:17
+perlDreamerrizen: They could use some tab/meg/jon/stv help on that02:17
+perlDreamerLots of templating issues02:17
@rizeni'll get someone to help out02:17
@perlmonkey2rizen: okayu02:18
@rizentabitha and mego have been given the order to clear all template related bugs by next thursday's release02:19
@perlmonkey2nice :D02:20
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: This bug can be closed, too: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/inbox-message-emails-dont-include-from-information#dIvBLew3C-7bF71ySs7rOQ02:21
@perlmonkey2Hah, probably help if I closed them after fixing them.02:22
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+perlDreameris 7.6 release pending?02:25
@Haargno02:26
@Haarg7.6 is waiting for a few weeks02:26
+perlDreamercool, I'll do some more committing then :)02:26
@rizenprobably not until october02:26
+perlDreamerwhy for?02:26
@rizenand when it does...it will be on tuesdays02:27
@Haargi need to redo some things in the upgrade script02:27
@rizencuz there's really not much in there worth releasing yet02:27
@rizeni thought i should wait until after our first RFE day02:27
patspamI've got that one in my calendar02:29
+perlDreamerwhat's best practice for introducing schema changes, without breaking upgrades?02:29
+perlDreamerI was looking as susanb's add url to assetHistory RFE02:29
+perlDreamerand realized that it would immediately break stuff02:29
* perlmonkey2 means business...he's switched from /datahead to /datasurvey (da da daaaaaaaa002:30
* patspam cheers02:30
@perlmonkey2Maybe tonight I can get all the perl2JSon refactoring done.02:38
patspamthat's worth at least 1 beer02:43
@perlmonkey2hah02:43
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@perlmonkey2who's still awake?04:43
@preactionnot me@04:47
@perlmonkey2preaction: doing anything fun?04:50
@preactionnot really04:55
@preactionmaking video files from my dvds04:55
@perlmonkey2is this too ugly or should it be more encapsulated?  $self->{_data}->{sections}->[$$ref{'section'}]->{questions}->[$$ref{'question'}]->{answers}->[$$ref{'answer'}]->update($ref);  Looks kind of ugly, but I don't get accessors for free :D05:01
@preactionlooks way too ugly to me, but perhaps by splitting up lines it might look nicer?05:01
+Radix-wrkI'd say encapsulate it myself05:02
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+perlDreamerLadies and gentlemen, patspam is in the house!07:33
* patspam blushes07:33
patspamperlDreamer: aren't you supposed to be asleep by now?07:34
+perlDreamerIt's only 9:30pm localtime07:34
+perlDreamerBut I did just finish about half an hour of test maintenance07:34
patspamah, still well within the working day07:34
+perlDreamerand told the state of Nevada that their sales tax data is wrong07:34
patspamperlDreamer++ # test and tax king07:35
+perlDreamerIs there sales tax in Australia?07:35
patspam10% GST (goods and services tax)07:35
+perlDreamerthat's steep07:36
+perlDreamerhighest I've seen here in the states is 9.5%07:36
patspamI heard the netherlands have even higher? or maybe that's just income tax07:36
+perlDreamerCould be07:37
+perlDreameris that flat across the country?07:37
patspamyep07:38
+perlDreamerIt's very wise to do that07:38
+perlDreamerIt makes it easy for people to collect taxes online07:39
patspamhere it is in all its gory detail: http://www.ato.gov.au/businesses/pathway.asp?pc=001/003/022&mfp=001/003&mnu=4409#001_003_02207:40
patspamthere are some exceptions and complications, but for almost everything it's just a simple 10%07:40
+perlDreamerThat means that no one will pay $30AU for an Australian sales tax file07:41
patspamyeah..07:42
+perlDreamerIt's okay.  There are still 42 other states in the US07:43
+perlDreamerplus canada07:43
patspamheh07:43
patspammost people do reporting every 3 months, which is easy from a math point of view but still a hassle, especially when you forget to put the money aside for the tax man07:43
+perlDreamerdon't the vendors collect it?07:43
+perlDreameryou have to keep track yourself?07:43
patspamthe vendors07:44
+perlDreamerah, okay07:44
+perlDreamerokay, I'm going to crash out for tonight.07:46
+perlDreamerHack on, patspam07:46
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elninopatspam - you there?09:46
patspamgreetings09:46
elninohi.  help!09:47
elninoI'm trying to install the exim.09:47
elninoit's installed and I can send email.09:47
patspamyes..?09:47
elninobut I'm trying to understand the config file.09:47
patspamok.. on ubuntu?09:48
elninoexim4.conf.template - I said NO to splitting it up, but it seems that it still gets values from a gabillion different files.09:48
elninodebian - I think they are related09:48
patspamyep09:48
elninoI'm using http://ws.edu.isoc.org/workshops/2004/CEDIA/presentaciones/bc/correo/exim/EximPrac.html - nice site for the testing and all.09:48
elninoI'm down to part 4.09:49
elninoI want to be able to send emails from MY domain, as opposed to the gmail account.09:49
patspamdid you use "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" to configure exim?09:49
elnino- the gmail account used to send to google smtp server.09:49
elninoyep.09:49
elninothat's where I said don't split up the files.09:49
elninoIt doesn't appear to have listened to me.09:50
patspamyeah, gmail isn't great as an outgoing smtp because it re-writes the FROM field09:50
elninoalways? really?09:50
elninoI thought by setting up a smart host, it wouldn't09:50
patspamyeah, shame because otherwise it works perfectly09:50
elninoI've wasted much of my life on this doing the impossible. Oh.. grrr.09:51
elninoThis is for a client, and she said the emails USED to come from her domain. 09:51
patspamnot wasted, you will have learned 90% of what you need to use another mail server09:51
patspamI'm using a non-gmail smtp server as the smart host, essentially the same config as setting it up with gmail09:52
patspamjust define a different smart host and put different auth details into /etc/exim4/passwd.client 09:53
patspamdo you have another smtp server you can use? otherwise you can tell exim to deliver directly09:53
elninothat went over my head.   I'm thinking I have to have exim send directly.  This is a VPS server, and I was the impression that all her mail used to go out thru gmail. I was looking at her mx records and tehy all say "google"09:54
patspamok, that means she's using google hosted mail09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: graham * r7485 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm: Must have accidently deleted a semicolon09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: graham * r7486 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Form/Integer now shows 0 in post submission page (Thanks perlDreamer)09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: graham * r7487 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/gotcha.txt: Added gotcha about upgrading to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.509:55
CIA-40WebGUI: graham * r7488 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: fix errorhandler tests failing if debug mode is off09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7489 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.5.22 release09:55
patspame.g. when people send mail to her domain, they go to Google's mail server09:55
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CIA-40WebGUI: Back port Haarg's excellent fix for the lack09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: of query checking in the ErrorHandler test.09:55
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patspamike, svn commit spam attack!!09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: tabitha * r7496 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.0/default_product.wgpkg: Change <spam> tag to <span> tag in default product template09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: doug * r7497 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backported 7496, added changelog entry09:55
elnino=)09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: colin * r7498 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Macro/ (MiniCart.t CartItemCount.t): backporting Shop macro tests to 7.5 branch09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: colin * r7499 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/i18n/template.t: backport 7431, removing quotes from labels and namespaces09:55
CIA-40WebGUI: colin * r7500 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Macro/RootTitle.t: backporting 7430, getLineage vs get(lineage)09:56
patspamI'll wait till it stops..09:56
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CIA-40WebGUI: colin * r7503 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Workflow/Instance.t: backporting Workflow/Instance tests09:56
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+Radix-wrkoh noes!10:08
+Radix-wrkpatspam/elnino - you can have gmail use your own domain for the from field.. you just need to add the domain to the account and prove you have ownership of it10:09
+Radix-wrkit will still rewrite the headers.. so you just make your own domain the default mail address10:10
+Radix-wrk(you can't do this until you verify that you own it)10:10
patspaminteresting!10:11
patspamI was playing with it with a CS mailing list and the FROM header re-writing was causing issues, but maybe that'd work10:11
elninoadd it to the google account? 10:13
elninohold on let me log on. She gave me access to EVERYTHIGN.  scary.10:13
patspamlet's see, so you'd add the website domain to your gmail account, and then all webgui generated emails would be left with FROM field intact10:13
+Radix-wrknot quite..10:13
+Radix-wrkthey'll still be mangled, but with whatever you specify as your default outgoing email address10:14
elninok. I'm in.10:14
patspamyeah ok, so you'd probably want to set up a dedicated gmail hosted account for this10:14
patspamrather than messing with your own gmail account10:14
patspamwhich would probably work for elnino10:15
patspamsince the email is already gmail-hosted10:15
+Radix-wrkyeah, not a bad idea10:15
patspamthe only thing I'm wondering about is the way that WebGUI sets the FROM address to the posted in a CS mailing list10:16
patspamposted = poster10:16
elninoso... she has several accounts: orders@xxx.com, hername@xxx.com. Is it going to rewrite just the domain? or the whole name?10:17
patspamand then mailing list recipients use that to identify who sent the email... gmail might break that10:17
+Radix-wrkwhichever one she specifies as her default will be used10:17
elninook.   to add complexity to this, the server I'm on is goign to host multiple domains, I'm not relishing the idea of creating multiple google accounts for each of these domains, is that what is going to happen?10:19
patspamsadly, yes10:20
elninook. I'm back to my own smtp server then.10:20
elninowe're talking about ALOT of domains. good for me - I think.10:20
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SDuensinGreetings.16:07
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doc777Hello friends. Why do some user accounts when created show "Deactivated"?  We have about 50% of new accounts land in this state...16:55
BartJolmaybe a time that has been set somewhere16:56
BartJollet me have a look16:56
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BartJolI suppose you checked while adding users that the status was set to active?16:58
BartJolit is default, but maybe something strange happened16:58
doc777Well about half are fine and show "Active" and "Sucess" but the other half show "Deactivated" so was wondering why is that ;)   I will check that. I guess it is under settings?16:59
doc777They "create" the account them selves by registering on the site...17:00
BartJolno, while making an account there is a status drop down17:00
BartJolaah17:00
BartJoldo they have to confirm?17:00
doc777We do have email verification enabled.17:00
BartJolah, well until they did that, they should not be activated17:00
doc777Ok, maybe that is the issue is that they are not replying to the emails.17:01
BartJolthat has a good chance17:01
doc777Thanks you ;)17:01
BartJolnp17:01
BartJolusers, can't even click on a link :)17:02
doc777Yep, that is the issue. I created an account and it was "deactivated" until I clicked the link in the email and then it was "active".   They just cant seem to follow the directions ;)17:08
BartJoland then started complaining that it didn't work?17:08
BartJolor is it not that bad?17:09
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doc777Na, just noticed we had a lot of "deactivated" users ;)17:09
doc777On another note is there a simple way to edit the text labels that display on the log in pages and such?17:10
BartJolwell, then, it's ok17:10
doc777Maybe I can clarify it and put it in bold red  ;-)17:10
BartJolin the import node you can finf some templates for it17:10
BartJollet me look17:10
doc777Thank you bart, you are very helpful ;)17:10
BartJolwell, you can copy the default WebGUI anonymous registration template, then it will be on the form17:14
BartJoland you'll have to choose the right template somewhere17:14
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doc777Ok, will have to try that then and edit the template directly. I was wondering if there was a central language file or something before I went and done that ;)17:15
doc777Thank you for checking for me !17:15
BartJolYeah, but I was also looking whether there can be a meesage set after submitting17:16
doc777That would be neat as well.17:17
BartJolin the authentication setting tab you can choose the template17:18
BartJolmmm, I'm being I have the standard message that request that you check your e-mail, where you are asked to click on a link17:22
BartJolit's in i18n17:22
BartJolthe message is in Dutch to, so probably i18n too17:23
juanis there something to show the more visited or rating posts of a CS? or have to use a sql report?17:23
BartJolah that's one of the user defined things juan17:24
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BartJolthen you can select sort by: user defined and just have to select your option17:25
BartJoloh juan if you read the built-inhelp, you would see that there are more template variables for the functions you are seeking17:28
juanand how to setup the userdefined1?17:28
BartJolmmm17:31
BartJolyou might need the user defined after all17:33
BartJolthose template variables are mostly links to sort them differntly17:33
@perlmonkey2Am I missing something or does the DataForm now have an export CSV besides exporting in tab delimited.17:35
juani am going to search in the help for some template variable that can help me17:36
@perlmonkey2Woohooo, down to 27 bugs17:41
BartJolperlmonkey2: did you demolish my i18n?, you're kinda evil aren't you?17:43
@perlmonkey2BartJol: err, how did I do that?17:44
BartJolby replacing my translation (on the i18n server) by some porn links17:44
BartJolI was lucky that I saw it17:45
BartJoland thought: "hee, I didn't update friends.pm"17:45
@perlmonkey2hahahahahahhahaaa17:45
BartJolI don't think it's funny actually17:45
BartJolit's my lives work and only pride ;)17:46
@perlmonkey2If you aren't joking, then let me be serious for a second and assure you I don't even have a friends.pm in my local svn copy.17:46
BartJolI'm not, I posted on the forum and requested an rfe, but I'm not sure whether yuou can do something about it17:47
BartJols/you/we/17:47
@perlmonkey2j/s I'm I forgot I had my old 7.5.11 instance in place.  I'll move back to [HEAD] and see what's up.17:48
@perlmonkey2BartJol: I see the same thing as 7.5.11 in the log for Friends.   Last update was 6880 by Colin.  And I very seriously doubt HE would be putting porn links in.17:50
BartJolwait, i'll fetch you the link17:50
@perlmonkey2is it Dutch/Friends.pm?17:50
BartJolyup17:50
@perlmonkey2That isn't in the main branch?17:51
BartJolhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/translations/Dutch/Dutch/Friends.pm?rev=719917:52
BartJoljust grep for porn17:52
BartJolmmm, that sounds a bit strange17:52
@perlmonkey2should be easy to find out which account this was put up unde.r17:53
BartJolmaybe an ip17:53
BartJolyou don't have to log in17:53
@perlmonkey2author was translation?  17:53
BartJolyeah17:54
@perlmonkey2will have to hunt that down in the system logs17:54
@perlmonkey2know which machine hosts svn?17:54
BartJolprobably I did the commit, but was unaware of the false translation17:54
@perlmonkey2where did you get it from?17:54
BartJolwhat do you mean, I just go to i18n.webgui,org17:55
BartJolI don't knowwhat machine that is17:55
@perlmonkey2yeah, i mean which machine on the internal network17:55
BartJolI can check the ip if you want17:55
BartJolmy machine is called lisa or maud17:55
@perlmonkey2so someone uploads to your machine and then you check that into svn?17:56
BartJolnope17:56
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BartJollet me begin at the start17:56
BartJolI go to i18n.webgui.org17:56
BartJolI translate some tags in namespaces17:56
BartJolto be sure that my work isn't ruined, there is a commit to svn link that I press17:57
BartJoland a script commits it17:57
BartJolso if it's ruined, I just ask whether the last commit can be put back17:58
BartJol(never happend so far)17:58
BartJolBartJol: crosses his fingers17:58
@perlmonkey2It was the add tag, which looks to be corrected on i18n.webgui.org17:58
BartJolI did17:59
BartJoloff course17:59
BartJoland made a commit17:59
@perlmonkey2I'm not sure how to track down vandalism in this setup.18:00
@perlmonkey2But why would you assume it was me?18:00
BartJolyup18:00
BartJolbecause JT told you to do it, because he hated (or is afraid of) Dutch people18:00
BartJolI don't actually think that you did it18:01
BartJoljust wanted to blame someone18:02
BartJolsorry that you were my victim, do you forgive me?18:03
@perlmonkey2You can understand why JT is afraid of the Dutch.  The US used to be a colony.  The Netherlands used to hold colonies.....  See what I mean?18:03
@perlmonkey2BartJol: of course I forgive you you big loveable fellow.  Let's hug it out.18:04
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BartJolago, well I'm gonna have a beer18:05
@perlmonkey2has there been drive bys on the i18n before/18:05
@perlmonkey2?18:05
BartJolnot that I know18:05
BartJolmy first18:05
@perlmonkey2BartJol: in case you didn't know, my last was a joke commonly seen in pop culture.18:05
@perlmonkey2don't want anything lost in translation :D18:05
@perlmonkey2hasta18:05
BartJol:)18:05
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BartJolfriday humor...18:06
BartJolit's the worst and at the same time the best18:06
@perlmonkey2hah18:06
@perlmonkey2indeed18:06
BartJolbut Joeri's waiting for us (me and our lovely administration girl) in the bar18:07
@perlmonkey2Did you hear about the fire at the circus?  It was intense(in tents).  [only works when spoken I guess]18:07
@perlmonkey2hah, right on.  Have fun18:07
BartJol:)18:07
BartJolI get it18:07
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@perlmonkey2In the Shop transaction receipt, what is the point of giving a link to the www_view of the sku?  For the badge at least, it appears to be a shortcut to allow you to purchase one even if they are out of stock.18:38
@Haargto see details on what you just purchased i guess18:40
CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7508 /experimental/ (279 files in 45 dirs): Added the HelpDesk18:40
CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7509 /experimental/HelpDesk/www/extras/wobject/HelpDesk/yui-bubbling/ (stars_old stars_white): accidentally had these folders in the wrong place18:40
CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7510 /experimental/HelpDesk/www/extras/wobject/HelpDesk/yui-bubbling/ (helpdesk.js add.gif stars users.gif): files are in the wrong folder18:40
CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7511 /experimental/HelpDesk/www/extras/wobject/HelpDesk/yui-bubbling/indicator.gif: file in the wrong foldr18:40
@Haargeither way it should protect against buying with no stock18:40
CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7512 /experimental/HelpDesk/www/extras/wobject/HelpDesk/helpdesk.js: file not used18:40
juani have many posts and i want to sort them by rating or views18:40
juani am trying to use the userDefined118:41
@Haargusing it for what?18:41
juanis not posible?18:41
@Haarghow are you trying to use the userDefined1 field?18:42
juanto sort the post by rating or post18:42
@Haargi don't see how it relates to sorting by rating or view18:42
@Haargposts have their own ratings18:42
@Haargin a separate field that is18:43
@perlmonkey2Haarg: so then an EMSBadge's templateId needs to not show the Add to Cart if it is out of stock.18:43
@Haargneeds to not show the link, and the link has to not work if they knew what it would be18:43
@Haargjuan, are you trying to sort threads in a cs or posts in a thread?18:44
juanis possible to do it with userDefined fields, or maybe a sql report is better 18:44
juanin a CS18:44
@HaarguserDefined has nothing to do with it18:44
@Haargthey are just extra fields that let you attach arbitrary data to a post18:44
@Haargposts already have views and rating18:45
juanhow can i sort them by rating or views18:45
@Haargso there is no arbitrary data to add18:45
juanaja18:45
@perlmonkey2Haarg: Okay trying to track down what is being called.  Sku->www_view is called which calls EMSBadge->prepareView, but EMSBadge->view doens't appear to ever be called.18:46
@perlmonkey2But that is where the form is being shown.  Nevermind, I'm obviously missing somethign.18:46
@HaargSku.pm line 52018:46
@Haargusers can sort by those things by those things by using the column headings18:47
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@Haarglooks like you can't set them for the default sort by though18:47
@Haargthat's probably an rfe18:47
juanyes18:47
@Haargtechnically you could do evil things in the database to set it as the default18:48
@Haargbut it wouldn't be a good way to go18:48
juani want to show them by default for rating or views18:48
juanso, sql report18:48
@Haargat this point that may be the only option18:49
juanok18:49
juani am going to make the sentence18:50
juanthanks18:50
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CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7513 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Can no longer buy badges from receipt or direct link page if quantity is empty19:19
dionaknice.19:20
@perlmonkey2dionak: about to fix 7.5 reoccurring subscriptions too (just backporting the 7.6 fix)19:21
dionakcan you share the link to the bug report?19:22
dionakor rfe?19:22
@perlmonkey2j/s19:23
@perlmonkey2http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/subscription-notification-not-sent19:23
dionakgreat! we're implementing subscriptions for a couple of sites now. that will be handy.19:24
dionakto have that fixed. 19:24
@perlmonkey2dionak: hmm, perlDreamer must have already merged it.19:30
@perlmonkey2Nope, the wonderful, obviously deserves a bonus Graham did it.19:31
dionakdo you know which revision? 19:32
@perlmonkey2748519:32
dionakthanks, pm19:32
@perlmonkey2no problem19:32
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+perlDreamerHaarg, the tests are fully up to date between the two main branches now.19:46
@Haargcool19:47
@Haarghopefully i'll be getting the dataform and macro tests improved next week19:47
@Haarggoing to work on some things with data form, including improving the api so it can be worked with better through code19:48
+perlDreamercool19:48
@Haargand i'm really looking forward to finishing the macro parser19:48
+perlDreamerIf you want help with testing, give me a holler19:49
+perlDreamerI'm going to have several hours of bandwidth each day next week19:49
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7514 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: fix bad Mock API, new requires a module name19:49
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7515 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Workflow/Instance.t: backport test fixes for Workflow/Instance19:49
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: in the evenmanagementsystem there is a getRegistrantAsJSON method.  It appears to return the ticket times in UTC.  Would there ever be a reason for that time to be in UTC, or shouldn't it always be in the user's time zone?20:06
@Haargin terms of display you mean?20:07
@perlmonkey2well if it is for JSON, won't it always be fore display?20:08
@Haargnot really20:08
@perlmonkey2My real question is should the wrong times being displayed when you add tickets to a badge be fixed on the JS side or in the Perl?20:08
@perlmonkey2i'd say the perl side as there is no reason to ever send UTC to the JS, right?20:08
@Haargwell, we definately want to store it in utc20:09
@perlmonkey2Absolutely.20:10
@Haargseems like it would need to be done in perl since the js probably doesn't have access to the needed time zone information at this point20:11
@Haargdo events have a timezone attached to them in any way?20:11
@perlmonkey2I'll check and see if the creating user's timezone is tagged to the ticket, but I'd guess no that the event is stored in the DB as a unixtime.20:12
@Haargbecause for a conference for example20:12
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@perlmonkey2no, they are stored as human readable, but obviously in UTC.20:13
@Haargit would only really make sense to show it using the time zone the conference takes place in20:13
@perlmonkey2And are being returned by a simple ->get('startDate')20:13
@perlmonkey2and the event has a timeZone.  Well that worked out well.20:14
estivenHi20:14
estiveni create a new product and tell me "(0) out of stock" how to do to add stock for this product?20:14
estiventhanks20:15
@Haarguse the set product price and sku link20:17
estivenmm, I see that, thanks20:20
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CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7516 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tickets on add to badge screen now show the time at the events timezone21:54
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7517 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tickets on add to badge screen now show the time at the events timezone21:54
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+perlDreamerfor those considering using Template::Toolkit -> http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/3741822:35
nubainteresting22:42
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@Haargdefinately something we'll need to think more about if we move to template::toolkit23:01
+perlDreamerHaarg, is there any other way to scan the translation data to see if anything else is spammed? Like the Dutch stuff was this morning?23:06
@Haargi could search over all the data for some specific text23:08
+perlDreamerhow 'bout m#<a href#i23:09
+perlDreamerthere are 35 hits in the English master23:10
@Haargi don't see anything bad23:13
@Haargaside from this: <p dir="&quot;rtl&quot;" class="&quot;MsoNormal&quot;"> ;)23:14
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer / Haarg either of you familiar with Plone's KSS?23:15
+perlDreamerno23:16
+perlDreamerWhen you say !perl, the answer is usually no23:16
@perlmonkey2Just pondering how to AJAX'ify everything in From/*23:17
@perlmonkey2Form/*23:17
@perlmonkey2Well most things in Form can already be easily ajax'ified23:18
@perlmonkey2But things like the sliders23:20
@preactionwhat do you mean ajaxify?23:22
@perlmonkey2preaction: Say you want an ajax call to return a form with an IntSlider.23:22
@perlmonkey2The JS returned with the IntSlider won't be executed?23:23
@preactionah, that depends on how you parse the new form23:23
@perlmonkey2toHtml on a slider returns HTML plus some JS for the events and new JS slider23:23
@preactioninnerHTML won't do it, no. you'd have to do some fanciness of grabbing the scripts and executing them23:24
@perlmonkey2But we need something sexy like Plone has only better and less lame.23:24
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@preactionor put a frontend on that would do the right thing23:25
@perlmonkey2need something like a template for the JS libs to add form elements to.23:27
@perlmonkey2So all of Form/* has corrosponding JS to handle them.  And then when you create a Form/? what happens in a JSON data structure is sent along with a <div id=matchingIdinJSON> in the HTML.  Then are new shiny JS library parses the JSON and adds form elements to the matching divs as needed.  23:29
@perlmonkey2s/are/our/23:29
@perlmonkey2I think two of the Thingy bugs are because the IntSlider and SelectSlider are trying to be loaded via AJAX.23:30
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@preactionmost likely23:35
@preactionperhaps instead a form control could give JS code to create itself?23:36
@perlmonkey2But the form control doens't know it needs to have it's JS lib in the page until it is requested by the AJAX call.  Unless you use eval() on it I guess.23:37
@preactionthe method that builds the form would need to know that23:38
@preactionit would build the JS-enabled version instead of the normal version23:38
@perlmonkey2I like it23:38
@preactionit's still a lot of work :(23:39
@preactionand i would get it approved by the people at-large here, namely Haarg and rizen 23:39
@preactionperhaps it could return both markup and code23:39
@perlmonkey2well most of the Form stuff doesn't need anything done to it.23:39
@preactionin a JSON object, that we could make a single routine to process23:39
@perlmonkey2but then we'd be eval'ing the code on the JS side.23:40
@preactionso WebGUI.Form.processAjaxForm( ajax_form_object )23:40
@preactionyes. there's going to be no way around that at all23:40
@perlmonkey2XSS attacks could insert JS for eval'ing.23:40
@Haargor it could just be that the selectslider control is broken23:40
@perlmonkey2well, if you have a master  lib loaded already that already has the code needed for every type of form and the JSON is simply telling what needs to be ran on which id.23:40
@Haarggo to /home?op=editPalette;pid=defaultPalette23:41
@Haargand try editting a color23:41
@preactionperlmonkey2, so it returns the name of a function to run? like WebGUI.Form.SelectSlider.init or something?23:41
@Haargthe forms api changes must have broken it23:41
@perlmonkey2preaction: yeah something like that, sure23:41
@Haargwe've been considering how to make the forms system more ajax friendly23:42
@perlmonkey2Haarg: it may be broken, but the Thingy Thing editor does an ajax call upon saving an edit and the IntSlider and SelectSlider both have attached JS which won't get executed upon their return.23:42
@Haargthe thingy editor doesn't really have to work though23:43
@perlmonkey2true, that is just there for show.23:43
@Haargwe do need to make the forms system more ajax friendly23:43
@preactionXSS doesn't really apply here, you control the URL the AJAX call is made to, and the JS is grabbed from the form control, there's no way for a user to intervene23:44
@Haargi think the plan is to work on that more for 7.723:44
@perlmonkey2what about all form objects adding their type and id to a JSON object that is sent.  Then any JS lib parsing returns could check that object to see what needs to be done upon a AJAX return.l23:45
@perlmonkey2just a hash with their id containing the form type and any options neededc.23:45
@perlmonkey2needed.23:46
@perlmonkey2probably wouldn't even have to change teh API.23:46
@perlmonkey2okay I'll stop blathering and go figure out what's wrong with SelectSlider.23:46
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+perlDreamerI need some SQL help00:50
+perlDreamerI'm testing Workflow::Instance00:50
+perlDreamerand checking that singleton mode works in the workflow00:50
+perlDreamerit does this query00:50
+perlDreamer"select count(*) from WorkflowInstance where workflowId=? and parameters=?",[$properties->{workflowId},$params]00:50
+perlDreamerand it's failing00:50
+perlDreamerif you remove the parameters=? part, then it finds the workflow00:51
+perlDreamerif you query the db, it says that the parameters are undef00:51
+perlDreamerwell, if you query the db through perl, its says that the parameters field is undef00:52
+perlDreamerif you query the db directly, then the parameters are NULL00:52
+perlDreamerdoes undef not map to NULL as a placeholder?00:53
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isaac__hello all00:54
+perlDreamerHey, isaac__!00:54
isaac__been a while since I've been in here00:55
isaac__got a workflow question00:55
+perlDreamerIt has.  Staying busy?00:55
isaac__Yeah.  I've written a build system inside webgui00:55
isaac__very cool stuff.00:55
+perlDreamerSo what's your workflow question?00:55
isaac__I've written an activity that I want to shut down the workflow instance.  But if I do $instance->delete() from inside the activity the instance is deleted before spectre can return on the activity so specre loops and erros trying to update the instance00:56
isaac__Yeah. So at work here, we block all outbound ports. So I can't really connect IRC>   I'm running xchat on a remote server through ssh right now.  HAH00:57
isaac__basically my only recourse is to have the activity spawn another workflow that will delete the instance and then return a waiting state00:58
isaac__but this seems a bit inelegant00:58
isaac__basically deleting the instance while it's running doesn't actually delete it out to spectre. so spectre is still chewing on it00:59
+perlDreamerI see.  It sounds like it needs to do a $spectre->notify01:00
+perlDreamerYou'll need to talk with either rizen or preaction about that one.01:00
+perlDreamerI don't know if you can tell spectre to terminate a workflow that way or not01:00
isaac__hmm... k. I wasn't sure if I could get out to the instance in spectre from within the activity01:00
isaac__yeah.  01:00
+perlDreamerInternally, the instance can, so I don't see why you couldn't do it in an activity.01:01
isaac__there's deleteInstance() in the Spectre/Workflow.pm  I need to go in that.  But it says to delete an instance in the processing queue.01:02
isaac__maybe I'll try that01:02
+perlDreamerisaac__, this is what you want:01:03
+perlDreamerWebGUI::Workflow::Spectre->new($self->session)->notify("workflow/deleteInstance",$self->getId);01:03
+perlDreamerthat's copied from the set method in Workflow/Instance.pm01:03
isaac__nice.01:04
isaac__trying...01:04
+perlDreamerIf that works, please submit it as a bug.01:04
+perlDreamerWhen an instance is deleted, it should tell spectre01:04
+perlDreamerand rizen will decide if it's a bug or an rfe01:04
isaac__hmm...kkk01:05
isaac__1 sec01:05
isaac__hmm01:06
isaac__not sure that it's working.  I need to see where it's failing.  I suspect that it's trying to delete the instance from the processing quque, but it's not in the queue since it's actually running01:07
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+perlDreamerisaac__, it does delete it from the queue.01:10
+perlDreamerSo it won't terminate a currently running instance01:11
+perlDreamerHere's something else to try.01:14
+perlDreamerIf you get a copy of the current instance01:14
+perlDreamerset the currentActivityId to the last activity in the Workflow.01:15
isaac__ooh01:16
+perlDreamerwhen Spectre tries to grab the next activity after yours finishes, that activity won't exist, and the Instance's run method will return done.01:16
+perlDreamerand it should stop01:16
isaac__that's good idea01:16
+perlDreamerbut that's more guesswork01:16
+perlDreamerand kind of hackish01:16
isaac__not super elegant, but good enough01:16
isaac__yeah01:16
+perlDreamerIf you find yourself with some spare time, I'd love to know more about what you're doing.01:17
+perlDreamerWould you make a dev list post about it?01:17
isaac__yeah. it's been on my list for a while.  Eventually I want to wrap up the rough edges and post it.01:18
isaac__but it will take a bit of work. since alot of what's needed to make it acceptable for posting isn't needed for deployment internally here where I'm at01:18
+perlDreameroh, I just mean tell us about it01:18
isaac__'ve already got permission to release it out01:19
isaac__yeah.01:19
isaac__I know.   Just mentioning01:19
isaac__the spectre workflow stuff makes alot of this easy.  I mean, I'm pretty much overloading what the system was meant for I think. But it just works so welll;01:19
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+perlDreamerbbiab01:21
isaac__bbiab also01:22
+perlDreamerback01:35
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@preactionwhy can you not return DONE?01:47
+perlDreamertry it :)01:47
+perlDreamerwell, that was smart-ass of me01:47
@preactionsee the RequstApprovalForVersionTag workflow, it spawns a new workflow and kills itself01:47
+perlDreamerdone is not a constant approved by the Activity01:47
@preactionhmm... then the second thing i said01:47
+perlDreamerapproved = exported01:47
+perlDreamermaybe it should be01:47
@preactionthe RequestApprovalForVersionTag can delete itself, since continuing on would commit assets01:48
isaac__ok. tyring that last thing now01:49
isaac__hmm....  checking that activity now01:50
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isaac__I was doing what that activity does.01:52
isaac__then spectre spins on the instance that it still has01:52
isaac__in memory01:52
isaac__I'm on an old version tho. maybe I'm running into a bug that's been fixed.01:53
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isaac__looks like I can set the instance to DONE.  not as returning from the actigity but directly via set02:04
+perlDreamerpreaction, if you'd double check my latest commits I'd really appreciate it02:07
@preactionok02:07
@preactionr numbers?02:08
+perlDreamer751802:08
+perlDreamerand back port to 7.502:08
+perlDreamerbut 7518 is the key one02:08
@preactionalso, if anyone ever offers you "Spinach and Proscuitto cassarole", tell them to screw off02:08
* preaction drowns his in pepper02:08
+perlDreameroffhand it doesn't sound that bad02:09
+perlDreameris it from a store?02:09
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isaac__weird. neither is working for some reason.   would there be a reasn that $instance->set() would not work from insdie the activity? Or not be seen right away?  I use it for the params all the time02:10
@preactionprobably because you return completed, which WebGUI then sets as the status02:11
isaac__I'm also trying to set currentActivityId, but it looks like it doesn't see that either02:11
isaac__or it gets reset as I return or something02:11
isaac__trolling Instance.pm now02:12
isaac__trawling?02:12
@preactionperlDreamer, no. i probably screwed it up. i didn't add the anise seeds and used boullion + water instead of real chicken broth (it was the water that was probably a bad idea)02:12
@preactionperlDreamer, but your commit looks fine. I'd like to see "isSingleton" encapsulated, perhaps also an Instance->canAdd which would check singleton02:13
@preactionbut that's not really necessary02:13
@preactionif I don't decide to fix the wiki and add some features to the calendar for my R&D time, i have a big project planned for workflow02:13
+perlDreamerpreaction: do you think it would be useful elsewhere? singletonExists?02:14
+perlDreamerthe funny thing is, singleton workflows were completely broken until that commit02:14
@preactioncanAdd would return false if it was disabled, or if it was singleton and already an instance in there02:14
+perlDreameryou could have lots of them running at the same time02:14
@preactioncanRun could return false if it wasn't the first instance of a serial workflow02:14
@preactionstuff like that02:15
@preactiona better API really02:15
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7518 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 02:15
CIA-39WebGUI: Fix multiple bugs related to Singleton workflows:02:15
CIA-39WebGUI:  Can't use undef in a where clause.02:15
CIA-39WebGUI:  Have to use the same JSON encoding in all places.02:15
CIA-39WebGUI: Added tests for singleton workflow instances.02:15
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7519 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport Workflow/Instance bug fix and test02:15
+perlDreamerIf the API changes get approved, I'll refactor it out02:15
+perlDreamersince we have the tests for it now :)02:15
+perlDreamerA more unified API, similar to the Asset API would be very nice02:16
@preactionindeed02:16
+perlDreamerIt would be nice if we could standardize on new and create everywhere as constructors, too02:17
isaac__k. looks like I need to return WAITING02:17
@preactionwe can, eventually02:17
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@preactioner... waiting means re-run the same activity again, can you not just upgrade your WebGUI?02:18
isaac__I am upgrading it later. but this doesn't look like a bug. or if it is, I can't really wait02:19
isaac__upgrading will be a big deal02:19
isaac__It's going to happen in the next couple weeks. but this has to get done first02:19
isaac__no. I'm setting currentActivityId then return $self->WAITING;02:19
@preactionwhat version are you running?02:19
isaac__if I return COMPLETE then it sets currentActivityId right after I return02:20
isaac__uhm02:20
isaac__that worked02:20
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isaac__looks like 7.4.1602:21
isaac__basically I'm short-circuiting the workflow. if I enter the condition where I want to end. I set the currentActivityId to the last activity then return WAITING.  it then runs on the next loops and sees there's no activity next and finishes itup02:21
@preactionright, that's the hacky way to do it, and it probably won't work when you upgrade02:22
isaac__really? Should still work. But yes, I agree there probably is a better way.  02:23
isaac__it should just be able to delete itslef like that other one.02:23
isaac__I'll try to track down why that was failing. I just don't have time now.  Gonna head home sono02:24
isaac__soon02:24
@preactioni'd check lib/WebGUI/Operation/Workflow.pm, it should check to see if the instance actually exists, otherwise it should return "DONE" to spectre02:25
@preactionthat's how it does it in the later versions02:25
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isaac__k.  I'll leave the better method in, and commented out. I can switch back to it after testing it on the new installtion.  hack will work for now. 02:27
isaac__question:  anyone think about adding a global switch that would cause all www_ methods to have a json only return?02:28
+perlDreamerYes, preaction did the other day02:28
@preactionsounds quite extensive and not a good idea02:28
isaac__so I can hit for op= and get everything back as json02:28
@preactioni did? good gravy what was i on?02:28
isaac__yeah maybe not everything02:28
isaac__but alot of stuff02:28
isaac__like the op stuff and func stuff mostly02:28
@preactionwill www_ajaxInlineView sate your needs?02:28
isaac__I guess02:28
isaac__that's for assets02:28
+perlDreamerlater guys02:29
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@preactionfunc= is assets02:29
isaac__I actually was thinking abotu writing a ExtJS 2.2 interface for the admin completely02:29
isaac__so you could instantiate and admin console anywhere.  02:29
isaac__basically not need to drop into adminmode all the time/ever02:29
@preactionif you write it with YUI, it would be useful to the core02:29
@preactionalso, you don't have to turn admin mode on really02:29
isaac__I know. But I'm heavily invested in ext02:29
isaac__I know02:29
@preactionyou can do ?op=adminConsole whenever you want02:29
isaac__I know02:29
isaac__I mean actually instantiating the cnosole without reloading the page at all02:30
isaac__YUI just doesn't cut it for GUI stuff. 02:30
@preactionasynch load ?op=adminConsole and put it in a popup, sure02:30
isaac__yeah.  something like that. But basically not have any HTML get returned.   so instantiate a window div for the console but load everything in via a Ext console interface. not actually pull stuff. IN the version I'm using the adminconsole sends alot of print "<script>blablabla</script>" stuff02:31
isaac__so the view output is hardcoded into the server response02:31
@preactioni don't remember if 7.4 has content handlers, but that would be what you'd want to create02:32
isaac__yeah.  I've been thinking on it for a while. But not really having time. and not wanting to do something in the old version02:32
isaac__anywho.  Time to run home.. ttyl02:34
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7520 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: clean-up, get ready to test set02:56
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7521 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: check the logging for duping a singleton02:56
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BartJolhee patspam morning there already?03:16
patspamyessir :)03:16
BartJoldamn, just going to bed, timezones suck!03:17
patspamhow's things in your neck of the woods?03:17
BartJolwell, somebody messed up my translation, actually that really pissed my off for a bit03:18
BartJolfor the rest I'm fine03:18
patspamah yeah, you maintain the dutch translation right?03:18
BartJolglad that I was able to fix it03:18
BartJolyup03:19
BartJolbut now I have the feeling I have to watch it03:19
BartJolbut tonight I had some beers with Martin and Joeri, so that made me feel fine already03:21
BartJolhow is it in didgeridoo-land?03:21
patspamhah03:21
BartJolrabbitty?03:21
BartJoljust wanna get rid of all vooroordelen03:24
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patspamyes many rabbits and didgeridoos04:01
@perlmonkey2I think I need a bigger hammer for Thingy.04:55
patspamI thought thingy was the biggest hammer around?05:19
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CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7522 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (109 files in 37 dirs): WebGUI_flux: merged r7414:7521 from trunk06:19
patspamperlmonkey2: you still awake?06:36
@preactionpatspam, serious question: Yellow cake w/ chocolate frosting, brownies, or peanut-butter cookies?06:37
patspambrownies all the way!06:38
patspammmmmm http://images.google.com.au/images?q=brownies06:39
@preactionsounds good06:40
@preactionthey get chocolate frosting too06:40
+perlDreamerpeanut butter cookies sandwiches with nutella06:43
@perlmonkey2patspam: here now06:44
patspamI urgently need to ask you...06:45
patspamYellow cake w/ chocolate frosting, brownies, or peanut-butter cookies?06:45
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Did you know that your state sales tax varies almost 2:1 across various municipiliaties06:45
@perlmonkey2brownies al la mode06:45
@preactionwe're taking a poll now?06:46
@perlmonkey2actually I like them in a bowl covered in milk.06:46
@preactionwait, seriously?06:46
@perlmonkey2absolutely06:46
@preactionif i wasn't aversed to milk, that actually sounds pretty good06:46
@perlmonkey2heh06:46
+perlDreamerhow about oatmilk?06:46
+perlDreamersoymilk?06:46
+perlDreamerricemilk?06:46
@perlmonkey2I'm getting ill thinking about it06:47
@preactionnope, just the idea of it06:47
@perlmonkey2oatmilk?  What devilish creation is that?06:47
+perlDreamerit's like soymilk06:47
@perlmonkey2and how do you millk them?06:47
+perlDreamerjust a suspension06:47
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: state sales tax is like 4.5% and then cities and counties can have their own.  Counties usually have a fraction of a % and cities ~3-5%.  Is that about what you're seeing?06:48
+perlDreameryeah.  Some place has a 9% sales tax, though06:48
@perlmonkey2my city has a 9.5% with state+county+city06:49
+perlDreamerdo you have property tax or income tax?06:50
@perlmonkey2At first you might think that is outrageously high.  But then realize the median income is $22K for a family of 4, so they have to rob the poor poeple to pay for standard services.06:50
@perlmonkey2yes, property and income tax06:50
@perlmonkey2although I live outside of city limits so my property is only like $1k/year06:51
@perlmonkey2At my house in OKC, it was $1.8 for a similar house.06:51
+perlDreamerwow06:52
+perlDreamerThat's similar to what I pay in Hillsboro06:52
@perlmonkey2what are things like in your neck of the woods?06:52
+perlDreamerWe have property tax and income tax06:52
+perlDreamerno sales tax06:52
+perlDreamerLots of people come from Washington to buy stuff here.06:52
+perlDreamerI don't remember what the exact rates are06:52
+perlDreamerJust when I go to the store, and it says $2.99 for something, that's what I pay.06:53
nubahah, perlmonkey2 is a hillbilly?!?! :D06:53
@perlmonkey2OK is a poorer state, yet services cost roughly the same.  So we get a higher percentage of taxes.  Either that or our state gov is abnormally corrupt and inept.  Wait, that isn't an either but an either/or06:53
@perlmonkey2nuba: don't we have to have hills to be a hillbilly?06:53
+perlDreamerHe's an "Okie".06:54
nubanow thats an old school perl hacker06:54
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I'd rather have sales taxes than income taxes.  Consumption taxes are the way to go.  Luckily it doens't matter which way is better, OK hedged their bets and went with both.06:55
+perlDreamerVery proactive of them.06:55
+perlDreamerIn any case, the enlightened people of Oklahoma now have sales tax data for WebGUI Shop.06:55
@perlmonkey2woot!06:56
+perlDreamerAnd, if as many people from Oklahoma buy data as all the other states put together....06:56
@perlmonkey2Only useful for Okies selling stuff to other Okies unless I miss my mark.06:56
+perlDreamerYes06:56
+perlDreamerYou can download data for other states, too, if you have affiliates/locations there06:56
@perlmonkey2you putting that in the bazaar also?06:57
+perlDreamerYup06:57
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bazaar?func=byVendor;vendorId=v0OOiY9tIz7NndDlZi7afg06:57
@perlmonkey2What made you go after OK next?06:58
+perlDreamerYou're there :)06:59
+perlDreamerand it was easier than Arkansas06:59
@perlmonkey2Hah.  Do we have any data on WG commercial installations?07:00
+perlDreamerJT said Nevada, Michigan, Ohio and someplace that I've forgotten.07:00
@perlmonkey2Well that is depressing.  Most of the state only has like a 1% city tax if that.07:00
@perlmonkey2Oh, I bet those are all county zip.07:01
@perlmonkey2s07:01
+perlDreameryep07:01
@perlmonkey2I'm in 74820 and I'm pretty sure I pay ~9.5%, yet your data says I should only be paying 5.19%07:02
+perlDreamerhttp://oktax.geo.ou.edu/cgi-bin/otc.cgi?ft=search&template=OTCCurrGeneralSearch.htm&vn=907:03
+perlDreamerThe data is straight from the Oklahoma web site07:04
+perlDreamerit doesn't go down to the zip+4 level07:04
+perlDreamerpreaction: are you around, or are you cooking?07:10
+perlDreameror both? :)07:10
@perlmonkey2More importantly why can't the Combo box and selection slider spontaneously combust?  I haven't seen a good bit burning in a while.07:10
+perlDreamerSomeone told me one of my chips caught on fire while they were testing it.07:11
+perlDreamerNo video, though07:11
nubaspontaneous combustion sounds like spinal tap drumming thing07:11
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: hah, you almost got me, but potato chips don't combust unless you have some seriously painful salsa.07:12
+perlDreamerThey combust if you put 35V DC across them07:13
+perlDreamerand they're only rated for 6V07:13
+perlDreamerHe was convinced that he'd found a bug07:13
+perlDreameruntil I showed him the spec07:13
+perlDreamer"Look, it's right here beneath the recommended dips."07:13
+perlDreamer"Only 6V"07:13
@perlmonkey2I bet he felt silly07:14
@perlmonkey2Not looking at the recommended dips07:14
+perlDreamerYeah, everyone knows the only proper dips for potato chips are spinach, artichoke and sour cream and onion07:14
@perlmonkey2He should at least redone the test for posterity (and youtube)07:14
+perlDreamerIndeed :)07:15
+perlDreamerBut at $dayJob, they kind of frown on combustion.07:15
+perlDreamerIt's quite frustrating07:15
@perlmonkey2Burning silicon must be a lot of fun.07:15
+perlDreamerIt stinks really bad.07:15
@perlmonkey2Stinks?  I don't think you should be breathing that.  07:16
+perlDreamerProbably not07:16
+perlDreamerI'll be back in a bit07:16
+perlDreamerI need a snack that won't cost me $20 to eat07:16
@perlmonkey2getting a gas mask?07:16
+perlDreamerIf preaction comes back, tell him I need help with another Workflow/Instance bug.07:17
@perlmonkey2aye aye07:17
+perlDreamerso far, I've written about 25 tests, and found and fixed 3 bugs07:17
+perlDreamerNot bad :)07:17
@perlmonkey2You're on fire07:20
@perlmonkey2Someone must have given you 35V07:20
@preactionperlDreamer, sup07:20
@perlmonkey2The last few hours I've just been flailing with the Thingy bugs.07:20
@preactiongot 15 minutes until brownies done07:20
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7523 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl: WebGUI_flux: brownies all the way07:23
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7524 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (6 files): Update from translation server07:23
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7525 /translations/Spanish/notes.txt: Update from translation server07:23
+perlDreamerpreaction, what does isNew do in Workflow::Instance->new ?07:26
@preactiondunno yet07:26
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@preactionlooks like it marks that the workflow instance has already started... for some reason...07:27
@preactionah07:28
+perlDreamerso if isNew = 1, then it has already started?07:28
@preactionisNew means it HASNT been started yet07:28
@preactionif you look at where $self->{_started} is used in DESTROY, it starts it just in case07:28
@preactionit seems... unnecessary and redundant07:30
@preactionheh, it's there for new() for some reason07:30
@preactioncreate() uses it07:30
+perlDreamerso that it doesn't "autostart"?07:31
@preactionno, isNew, if true, means it hasn't been started yet07:31
@preactionso i assume it means that spectre doesn't yet know about it, whatever start() does07:31
@preactionso new() without the isNew flag means you're getting an existing Instance07:32
@preactionnew() with the isNew flag should be deprecated in favor of create()07:32
@preactionand create() shouldn't call new, it should bless itself07:32
+perlDreamerI'll update the POD07:34
+perlDreamerSquOnk has been busy hacking the Spanish translation.07:35
@preactionsweet, i know a few people who want that07:35
+perlDreamerreally?  who?07:36
@preactionsome pb customers with spanish sites07:36
+perlDreameri c07:37
@preactioni suppose with wg8 coming up we should start leaving notes about which APIs need to be fixed / made sane07:38
+perlDreamereh, there's only a few ;)07:38
@preactionthen we're going to have to get tests for those methods so we can be sure we don't screw them up07:38
+perlDreamergood luck finding someone to write those07:39
@preactioni think there's a bunch07:39
@preactionPaginator, for example, needs to be better and needs to work with YUI stuff07:39
+perlDreamerI was going to spend a lot of time writing Activity tests.  If I need to be concentrating on something else, all y'all need to do is let me know.07:39
@preactionnono, workflow please07:40
@preactioni'm just continuing my delusions of grandeur07:40
+perlDreamerPlease, delude on07:41
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CIA-39WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: enable_flux.pl now intelligently handles wg config file updating so that we can revert to the std WebGUI.conf.orig08:20
CIA-39WebGUI: - adds Flux content handler to contentHandlers section08:20
CIA-39WebGUI: - adds WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CheckFluxRules to Activities/None workflows section08:20
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7528 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): backporting Workflow/Instance tests08:20
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7529 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (FLUX_README.txt enable_flux.pl): WebGUI_flux: updated docs08:20
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elninohi! we're trying to upload an mp3 file and when my client tried, an error about "server did not permit this" occurred. Is there a setting somewhere?17:56
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zyloGreetings all :D19:12
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elninohi! we're trying to upload an mp3 file and when my client tried, an error about "server did not permit this" occurred. Is there a setting somewhere?20:40
elninosorry, if I missed any responses.20:40
zyloAre you logged in as admin on webgui?20:42
zyloAnd does he have permission with his user to upload?20:43
elninoyes.21:07
elninoand yes.21:07
elninothey are admin.21:07
elninoI'll go find a mp3 and try this myself.21:13
elninoI uploaded a 3M mp3 just fine. so know I'm wondering if there is a size limit.21:23
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zyloWhat size is it?21:35
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7530 /translations/German/German/ (9 files): Update from translation server22:35
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7531 /translations/German/German/Asset_Matrix.pm: Update from translation server22:35
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7536 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Internationalize the subject of emails sent for password recovery.01:22
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7537 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport i18n subject for password recovery emails01:22
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@perlmonkey2anyone awake?01:45
@Haargyeah01:52
+perlDreameryup02:13
@Haargso this is interesting, i'm trying to graft together the cvs and svn history into one git repository02:14
+perlDreamerawesome!02:14
@Haargnot sure how well it's going to work so far02:14
@Haargi need to make sure i'm importing the cvs stuff correctly before trying it again02:15
@Haargit took something like 6-7 hours when i tried the first time02:15
+perlDreamerI'm guessing that SF's pipe isn't the fastest.02:16
@Haargthat, plus it's a lot of processing and network connections intermixed02:16
+perlDreamerso who's the Slovenian hacker working on i18n?02:27
+perlDreamerDoes anyone know?02:27
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patspamperlmonkey2: I'm awake!03:37
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CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7539 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm doesn't include fields and contents when exporting06:08
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7540 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t): Fix a bug where GUID style userIds were rejected by AssetExportHtml.06:08
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elninohello!06:25
elninosubscriptions are just user groups, right?06:25
@Haargyes06:26
elninodoes the whole group expire at once? or does each user expire independantly based on their "start date"06:26
elninoI'm thinking each user...06:27
@Haargeach user06:27
elninooh good! do you happen to konw the field in the Db that stores this?06:27
@Haarggroupings.expireDate06:28
elninocool. thanks!  That's it!06:28
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elninois the subscription code, something you give a user, that they can enter upon "registration" to your site and be added to the subscription group?07:04
+perlDreamerThat sounds right07:05
+perlDreamerNot necessarily upon registration, but they can go to the subscription asset and enter it in there to redeem it.07:06
elninoah.  Ok.   I don't see a subscription asset. but I think there was a macor or something that I saw somewhere.07:13
+perlDreamerelnino, that would be 7.5.11 and higher07:19
elninooh.. ok. =)07:19
+perlDreamerbefore then, Subscription is a Admin Console function07:19
+perlDreamerwhich WebGUI are you using nowadays?07:19
elninoI believe both sites are on 7.4.4007:21
+perlDreamerHow is the little Macro doing, elnino?07:28
elninommm. my daugher? or am i supposed to be working on a macro?  My brain is a little fried right now...07:29
+perlDreamerI was referring to your daughter.  She's not old enough to be an Asset yet.07:30
elninowhat?!  she's priceless, she is definately an asset!07:31
elninoshe's growing so, she's been sleeping more. it's been interesting watcing her recently.07:32
elninoshe will put put a bowl, into a square container and put it on the table, 07:33
elninobut what is more interesting, is that sh'l make the same combinations with the same objects and line07:33
elninothem up equi-distant from each other on the coffee table.07:33
+perlDreamershe's cloning objects07:34
elninodefinately07:34
elninomaybe she is a macro after all 07:35
+perlDreamershe can't do inheritance yet, so probably a macro07:35
elninorecording everythign we do, that's for sure. she watches and listens well, and surprises us often when she repeats something.07:35
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7542 /branch/colin-experimental/ (83 files in 34 dirs): merging with HEAD07:40
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7543 /branch/colin-experimental/t/ (Mail Mail/Send.t): this test is missing in my branch, adding it07:40
@preactionperlDreamer, how does that merging WORK for you?07:44
+perlDreamerworks fine07:45
@preactionevery time i do it, it comes up with a billion conflicts07:45
@preactionwhat do you do?07:45
+perlDreamerI keep a clean branch07:45
+perlDreamer"I do one thing.  I do it very well, then I move on"07:45
@preactioni only ever add things, i never modify core things07:45
+perlDreamerCan anyone name the TV show that quote comes from?07:45
@preactionand still i get conflicts07:45
@preactionno07:45
+perlDreamerM.A.S.H.07:46
+perlDreamerWhen Charles Emerson Winchester first comes on the show.07:46
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@preactionradar?07:46
+perlDreamerNope.07:46
@preactioni haven't watched enough mash07:46
+perlDreamerRadar is Walter O'Reilly07:46
+perlDreamerYou have FIOS?07:47
@preactionno, DSL07:47
@preactionFIOS hasn't reached my area yet07:47
+perlDreamerWell, it's on TV Land quite often if you need to catch up07:47
@preactioni think TMRFE might have it in his collection07:47
+perlDreamerHe'd loan it to you07:48
@preactionoh, oh oh oh oh oh he has farscape though07:48
@preactioni might want that first07:48
+perlDreamerThe RFE list needs maintenance badly07:49
+perlDreamerSome have been implemented already07:49
+perlDreamersome are irrelevant now07:49
@preactionyeah. we need that new request tracker for it :p07:49
+perlDreamerlots of duplicates07:50
+perlDreameris that the same thing as the new bug tracker?07:50
@preactionyeah07:50
+perlDreamerIs the plan to go through the RFE list when the new tracker is added to PB.com?07:50
@preactionit'd be nice if they were all in the same place really07:50
@preactioni dunno07:51
@preactionfrank's doing it on his own time, so we've got a pool going for when it (if it) gets done07:51
@preaction;)07:51
+perlDreamerHe's committed a bunch of code already07:52
@preactioni wonder if my DSL place will let me max out my speed. they said in the test that they got about 8meg throughput to the access point07:52
@preactionyeah, he's really motivated on it07:52
elnino_laptopwhat bug trackers areyou guys comparing to as far as determining what features the new bug tracker should have?  07:52
elnino_laptopI meant, what bug tracker software...07:53
+perlDreamerelnino_laptop, I think that they've looked at RT, SF.net, Google and a few others.07:53
+perlDreamerThe biggest thing will be decoupling it from the CS.07:53
@preactionall the big players: bugzilla, RT, the MS project thing, i suggested launchpad, there's one in particular Jt wanted but i can't remember it07:53
@preactionmoho or something07:53
+perlDreamerI'd look at JIRA07:54
+perlDreamerSusanB uses it.  So do we at $dayJob.07:54
+perlDreamerpreaction: how do you deal with db schema changes in upgrade scripts?07:54
@preactioni think the words were "Look at these. Don't do what these do."07:54
@preactionexcept for that moho one07:54
@preactionRT and Bugzilla were good examples of what not to do07:54
elnino_laptopI'd look at JIRA too.07:55
+perlDreamerIf Atlassian open source JIRA, they'd put RT out of business.07:55
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elnino_laptopwhat's RT?07:55
@preactionRequest Tracker07:55
+perlDreamerRequest Tracker, from Best Practical07:55
+perlDreamerJesse Vincent's perl company07:55
@preactiona perl-based request tracker07:55
elnino_laptopnever heard of it. I live and breathe JIRA. 07:56
elnino_laptopI need to install it for my own use at home. 07:56
+perlDreamerFrom the user side, it's pretty nice.07:56
+perlDreamerNever used it as a dev.07:56
@preactionhttp://www.mojohelpdesk.com/ <- this one is the one JT likes07:57
@preactionjust the screenshots07:58
+perlDreamerit's made by Metadot07:58
@preactionthe ease-of-use aspect mostly07:58
@preactionTrac i think was another we were looking at07:58
@preactioni <3 Trac07:58
+perlDreamerMetadot makes the only other complete Perl CMS that I know of07:58
@preactionreally?07:59
@preactionthat mojo thing is RoR07:59
+perlDreamerYeah, you ever read the story of how I came to use WebGUI?07:59
@preactioni have a vague recollection of the word metadot in there08:00
+perlDreamerI spent months learning Metadot, and was almost ready to roll it out at my church08:00
+perlDreamerand the week before I was ready to roll, they yanked the open source offering of Metadot08:00
@preactionwow08:00
+perlDreamerThe community died within a few months08:00
+perlDreamerThey tried a fork, but it didn't take08:00
+perlDreamerAnd it took me months more to find WebGUI08:01
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+perlDreamerI emailed JT back and forth like 15 times, trying to gauge his commitment to open source, free software and community involvement08:01
+perlDreamerand finally I was convinced it was safe to try08:02
+perlDreamerand I've been here ever since08:02
@preactionand we're eternally grateful that you are, let me assure you08:02
@preactionwhich reminds me that i need to start going to more conferences and wearing webgui t-shirts08:03
+perlDreamerYes08:03
+perlDreamerOr, going to more political gatherings and wearing a Che-T shirt08:03
@preaction... god that's still funny08:03
elnino_laptopso does your church use webgui? I tried to convicne ours, but they hired a parttime programmer wanna be and he was conviced he would right something better.  08:03
elnino_laptopin coldfusion08:04
@preactionelnino_laptop, that poor church... i once thought as he did (but in Perl)08:04
@preactionif i had known about webgui, i wouldn't have tried08:04
+perlDreamerelnino_laptop, then did for 5 years, but when we retired they moved it to something else.08:04
+perlDreamerAlthough, they're thinking about going back...08:04
elnino_laptopit's so feature rich.. I just don't get it. they wanted workflows and version control and everything..  08:05
+perlDreamerekennedy on the forums is another church webmaster (and coder)08:06
elnino_laptopI have default version tag workflow as "commit content immediately" but I still have to commit them. Do I need to set "automatically request commit" to yes as well? - I'm admin08:10
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+perlDreamerelnino, that, and also skip comments08:10
+perlDreamerit's the default in 7.508:10
@preactionperlDreamer, if you add that to 7.6.0, you should be fine as is. you have to upgrade to the latest 7.5 before you can upgrade to 7.6, that's how it is every time08:10
+perlDreamerpreaction, cool.  So I can remove the db schema check before the write?08:11
@preactionthough, if we kept schema changes outside of the normal upgrade, we could run all of them before the upgrade happens08:11
+perlDreameryes08:12
+perlDreamerwe don't handle schema changes well right now08:12
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+perlDreamermaybe we need schema scripts, as well as upgrade scripts08:12
+perlDreameris that what you're suggesting?08:12
@preactionessentially, yes08:12
elnino_homeI'm going, wireless is going wacko. please kill off elnino_laptop.. Good night!08:13
@preactiona long long while ago i proposed a more OO upgrade, something you could check isApplied or you could use in a more flexible way08:13
@preactionbut that's more work for the developer08:13
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@preactionwhy didn't I use Class::Trait again? is it bad with mod_perl?08:14
+perlDreamerI don't remember.08:15
+perlDreamerThat sounds right08:15
+perlDreamereither that, or mixins is bad08:15
@preactionwhy are mixins bad? in your opinion08:15
+perlDreamerUh, I mean either Class::Trait or mixins has problems with mod_perl08:16
+perlDreamerproblems with mod_perl == bad08:16
+perlDreamerthat's all08:16
@preactionno, it looks like Class::Trait can't check @REQUIRED and such, it will just throw errors instead08:16
@preactionwhich is fine08:16
@preactionwhich means i should move to Class::Trait08:16
@preactionit's definately better than mixin.pm, especially when the namespaces start getting cluttered08:18
@preactionanyway08:18
+perlDreamerso you think rev 7545 ought to be safe/08:18
+perlDreamer?08:18
@preactionyeah, should be fine. just put in the gotchas that "you must upgrade to the latest 7.5 version before trying to upgrade to 7.6.0 or past08:19
+perlDreamerif rizen gives the go ahead, I'll do that08:19
+perlDreameralthough, from recent emails, I think I'm free to go ahead and commit stuff08:19
@preactionyeah, i'm thinking he's becoming more lenient with the core08:20
@preactionso is having an i18n system for javascript as awesome as i think it will be? besides the immense amounts of extra work i've caused by building it?08:29
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+perlDreameras we move more into JS, it won't hurt08:30
+perlDreamerthat's for sure :)08:30
+perlDreamerspeaking of which, I still have to do my benchmarking08:30
+perlDreamerbut that will be tomorrow08:31
+perlDreamerwe older folk need our rest 08:31
+perlDreamerg'night preaction.08:31
@preactionnight08:31
+perlDreamerand all other lurkers out there08:31
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7545 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm: since people must upgrade to the latest 7.5 before going to 7.6, the schema check is not needed08:38
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patspamanyone awake?10:36
@preactioni am, unfortunately10:36
patspamheh, awesome!10:36
patspamI've got a fairly basic question about default templates10:36
@preactionok10:37
patspamsay you're creating a new skin for you wg site, and you create your own template for something, say an Article template10:37
patspamand you want that template to be used as the default for all new Articles that your content managers add to the site10:38
patspamcan you do that?10:38
@preactionmake a prototype and remove the existing Article from the New Content pane by removing it from assets in the config file10:38
patspamahhhhh10:38
patspamnice10:38
patspamthe other route, editing the "Default Article" would be bad right? because when you upgraded your site your changes might get wiped out by the new default template?10:39
patspam(if it had been changed in that release)10:39
@preactionright10:40
patspamdoes seem a little bit hacky though10:41
patspamI feel like wobjects would expose some sort of 'change defaults' interface... then again I suppose that's what prototypes are doing10:43
patspamI guess the slick new Admin Console bar will make it easier to hide the original wobject too10:49
patspamthanks for the tip, most appreciated!10:50
patspamI'm orf for dinner :)10:51
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7546 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Functionalized the datatable javascript. Added the url to each ticket link. my tickets now shows things submitted by me as well as things assigned to me.14:57
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BartJolquite dull here today...23:29
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@khennanyone know if it's possible to join multiple classes in the getLineage method01:58
@khennthe code looks odd01:58
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@preactionkhenn, no, it's not02:14
@khennyeah I have an new plan02:16
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+perlDreamerWRE 0.8.5 is out!07:18
+perlDreamerAnd there was great rejoicing in the channel07:18
@tavistowoop woop07:23
@tavistoyeah uh... if that's great then I'd hate to see good07:23
@tavistopreaction or apeiron should update the channel title so that it reflects the WRE 0.8.507:23
@tavistoperldreamer, I updated the webgui.org/download page so that people understand what stuff is a bit more07:24
@tavistoI'm going to see about graphically adding some separation to the 3 download options as well07:24
@tavistoprobably wrapping each option in something like on the "learn" page so there's a bit of visual separation07:25
@tavistothe old WRE installation instructions (that were modifiable) are now gone and the WRE install instructions are formatted a bit better. Still need to do something with the stuff that you type in... per SteveD's comments on the etc forums07:26
+perlDreamerand we need a new VMware appliance07:30
@tavistoaye, but that's not my dept :)07:32
@tavistosomeone just emailed me about it saying I need to check our profile.. doesn't make any sense but I'm going to find out what's up with it07:33
+perlDreamerprofile where?07:38
@preactiontavisto, anyone can change the topic07:42
@tavistoon vmware.com perlDreamer07:42
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@tavistoah preaction, I figured as much but being that my l33t IRC skills were lost in like uh 96...07:42
@tavistowhen I gave up 0-day warez I basically lost the skillz07:43
@tavisto;)07:43
+perlDreamertavisto, you were a black hat?07:43
@preactionusing colloquy? there should be a nice easy way to change the topic like07:43
@preactionperlDreamer, if consuming the warez counts, maybe ;)07:43
@tavistowell I was an op back in the days of cobra and dalnet... then one of my buddies on the channel disappeared (later found out jail for being courier for class and Razor - two big groups back in the day)07:44
@tavistoanyway, I decided it was not worth free software07:44
@preactionnoice07:44
@tavistoyeeah07:44
@tavistobut you're probably right.. colloquy probably has some flashy title changer07:45
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@tavistokeep in mind.. back in the day I had mandrake linux on one box and windows NT on another... script wars and channel takeovers were possible back then07:45
@preaction... and who will be supplying said brownies?07:45
@preactioni've got Perl to code, no time to bake!07:46
+perlDreamerpreaction will, of course07:46
+perlDreamerHe made brownies last night07:46
+perlDreamerThere must be leftovers07:46
@tavistopreaction is waiting for his perl to compile so he can07:46
@preactionbesides, i'm baking yellow cake now07:46
@preactioni already ate all the brownies07:46
+perlDreamerDude07:46
@tavistouh isn't yellow cake a like uh bad thing to say on open channels07:46
+perlDreamerYou and your metabolism are entirely frustrating07:46
@tavistocrap I just said it07:46
@preactionoh no, i assume i'm going to be paying for this for a while now07:48
@tavistofinished up the University of Minnesota Law School success story draft. Now hoping for minimal red tape07:52
@tavisto*tavisto* crosses fingers07:52
+perlDreamerThey have to approve the story before it's released?07:58
+perlDreamerSomebody bought some sales tax data.08:13
+perlDreamerHow the heck did that happen?08:13
@preactiondunno, someone wanted to buy some?08:14
+perlDreamerI guess that's allowed.08:15
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7547 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm: Fix a typo in my SQL query in assetHistory08:29
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+Radix-wrkdon't tease us with the promise of brownies when you can't deliver pls :P08:44
@preactionblame colin, not me08:44
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* patspam notices the bug in PurgeOldInboxMessages.pm13:04
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SDuensinGreetings.16:45
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+cap10morganis there a webgui database checker script somewhere? makes sure all the right indexes are setup, all tables are MyISAM, good things like that?18:12
+cap10morgani'm having some crazy database performance issues lately18:12
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+cap10morganfalling short of that, should the namespace_cachekey_size index on cache be indexing the namespace, cachekey, and expires fields or namespace, cachekey, and size like the name implies?18:17
@rizenyes it should18:18
@rizenno there isn't a script18:18
+cap10morganit should be indexing expires or size?18:18
@rizensize18:18
+cap10morganinteresting18:18
+cap10morganit's expires on all my sites18:18
+cap10morganwell that could very well be all my performance issues right there18:19
@rizenthere probably should be one for both actually18:19
+cap10morganok, so add a new one that does namespace, cachekey, size you think?18:19
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@rizeni don't know i'd have to look at it18:19
@rizeni'm just guessing here18:19
+cap10morgansure18:19
+cap10morganok, i'll see if i can figure out how / if this is different from a newly deployed site in 7.5.22 and file a bug if so18:20
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7548 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm): Made the charset metatag the highest thing in the head block.18:21
@rizenwhatever it is that you have is probably what's on everybody else's sites too...so i'd look elsewhere for your problems18:21
+cap10morganoh, so when you said it should be indexing size, you weren't saying that my installation was totally messed up. you were just saying really, webgui should setup both indexes, but doesn't right now?18:22
@rizenyes18:23
+cap10morgangotcha18:23
@rizeni'm saying there's likely nothing screwed up on your table right now18:23
@rizenor if it is, it's screwed for everybody18:23
+cap10morganok18:23
+cap10morganhmm18:23
@rizenand therefore isn't your problem18:23
@rizenhave you turned on slow query log on mysql yet?18:24
@rizenif not, start there18:24
@rizenit will tell you the problem 99% of the time18:24
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+cap10morganyeah, it's spitting out basically every query at this point18:25
@rizenhave you shut down your database and run a myisamchk -r *.MYI yet?18:26
@rizenif not, do that18:26
+cap10morganno, will do that18:26
@rizenyou have to be in the database folder when you run that18:26
+cap10morgansure18:26
@rizencd /data/wre/var/mysqldata/www_example_com18:26
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+cap10morganit's fixing indexes18:35
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+perlDreamermorning, everybody19:04
@preactionmorning19:08
@perlmonkey2hello19:17
@rizenyou call this morning? it's practically noon you slacker. =)19:19
+perlDreamerSomeone has been buying state tax data.  I'm now a business slacker.19:20
@rizenreally? i haven't seen an order for it go by19:21
@rizenif you'd hurry up and put up wisconsin i'd buy that19:21
@rizeneven though we don't really need it...i'd do it just to be in conformance19:21
@rizencompliance19:21
@rizenwhatever the word is19:21
+perlDreamerI wouldn't sell you Wisconsin.  You can have it for free.19:21
+perlDreamerBazaar says there have been downloads for Oklahoma and California.19:22
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: there is a problem with your OK state data.  You got it from an OK state agency, which obviously makes it wrong.19:22
+perlDreamermy tax data isn't OK?19:22
@perlmonkey2Not for OK19:22
+perlDreamerok, I'll see about fixing it.19:22
@rizenperlDreamer....it tallys that if you download it or any of my staff download it as well19:23
@perlmonkey2I don't know how you would fix that as even the OK state's data isn't OK.19:23
@perlmonkey2OK this joke is no longer OK.19:23
@perlmonkey2The latest bug is quite strange and *might* pose a security issue.  The userId for that wgSession was 1.   Anyone have any ideas?  19:26
@Haargthey logged out19:36
@perlmonkey2Haarg: I checked ip's, and knowmad and faxioman have never used the same ones.19:38
@perlmonkey2I also thought the 8.5wre woudl resolve the ap_get_server_banner() ... errors in modperl?19:39
@Haargi think it was just noted in the gotchas19:39
@Haargor something along those lines19:39
@rizenpm2: no19:39
@rizenthe banner thing can only be fixed by going to apache 2.2 19:40
@perlmonkey2oh, right.19:40
@rizenat least that's what it sounds like from the apache mailing list19:40
@rizenand we wouldn't do something like change apache versions in a minor point release19:40
@perlmonkey2No more hypothesis on how Visitor could have access to a users session?19:44
+perlDreamerrizen: In that case, I'm still just a "regular" slacker then.19:44
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+perlDreamerWhat's the "new, recommended" way to display a list of users as a form element?  Form/Users?20:03
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khenn_Form/Users lets someone choose a single user20:35
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+perlDreamerthanks, khenn20:35
@khennI don't think there is a form control that allows you to display a list of users20:36
+perlDreamerThat's what I really meant (display a list so that one can be chosen)20:37
@khennah then yes20:37
@khennForm/User20:37
+perlDreamerForm/User won't let me specify a subquery though.  I'll just use a selectBox20:44
topsubHow can i stop this from running.. http://pastebin.com/m18d8d38c21:23
topsubits Filling up the logs like crazy21:24
topsubKhenn you can pick a single user21:24
topsubkhenn it can not do a one to many list21:24
@khennright, I thought he was asking for something that allowed you to pick multiple users21:25
topsubah21:26
@perlmonkey2Looks like wre8.5 has a mysql issue fixed for all new db's created, but existing db's still have a problem of their max_join_size being an unsigned value.  Does this need to be corrected or should the mysql warning just be ignore?21:34
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Lisettehello, i have a question about the cart21:44
Lisetteif i want change the post of the button "choose shipping address" how to do?21:45
@perlmonkey2To fix this bug would break all the custom templates for Articles out there.  What should be done?21:51
@perlmonkey2http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/multiple-attachments-on-an-article-asset21:51
@bopbopperlmonkey2: is the article asset supposed to have more than one attachment?21:51
@perlmonkey2bopbop: you can add as many as you want.21:52
@bopbopreally21:52
Lisettei want redirect the post of "choose shipping address" for another link, how to do?21:52
@perlmonkey2bopbop: I just added two more to my Article21:52
@bopbopLisette: you can access the cart template- maybe you can change it there?21:53
@rizenperlmonkey2: it's only supposed to allow one attached file and one image21:53
@bopbopthat's what I thought, rizen21:53
@bopbopoh good21:53
@perlmonkey2rizen: okay, then I'll correct the bug by only allowing a single attachment.21:53
@rizenplus, it shouldn't allow any attachments going forward21:53
@rizenwe're going to make people attach stuff using the rich editor's attachment tools21:54
@rizenpm221:54
@rizenno, what i'm saying is21:54
@rizenit's not a bug21:54
@rizenit works as expected21:54
@rizenand as designed21:54
@rizenit allows you to upload 2 files21:54
@bopbopshe should use File Pile if she wants more,right?21:54
@rizenwhere one is a file and the other is an image21:54
@perlmonkey2oh21:54
@perlmonkey2then I'll just close the bug :)21:55
@rizenbopbop: yes, either that or use the rich editor's attachment features to upload stuff to the media folder21:55
@perlmonkey2rizen: i just uploaded my 3rd file.21:56
@bopbopso there is a bug21:56
@perlmonkey2But only one file and one image is shown.21:56
@bopbopcan you make the attachment fields stop displaying after two attachments are added?21:57
@bopbopinstead of continuing to add a new blank field? it's easy to see why she thought you could add many21:57
@perlmonkey2yes, I'll look into it.  Hope it isn't ajaxified.21:58
@rizenpm2 it's very easy to limit it to 2 files21:58
@rizenthe form control has a param for that21:58
@perlmonkey2nice21:58
@bopboprizen: what are the rich editor's attachment features? is it not in the default cm rich edit? or am I being dense and just not seeing it?21:59
@bopbopcollateral image manager?22:00
@rizenthere's one for images and one for files22:00
@rizenyes collateral manager22:00
@rizenalthough that's an outdated term for it22:00
@bopbopok, so the hover text over it should be changed eventually too22:01
@perlmonkey2hmm, Article has maxAttachments at 25, yet it would appear to need to be 2.  22:02
@rizenyes it should be 222:03
@bopbopI don't see one for files, just images...22:03
@rizenprobably just a typo22:03
@rizenbopbop...the one that looks like a tree22:03
@rizena file manager tree22:03
@rizenso you can link to assets22:03
@bopbopso how does that help them attach a file22:04
@bopbopyou're going to make them upload things they want to attach as file assets and then link through that?22:05
@rizenwell it will have to be updated so you can upload a file directly through it just like the image one does22:06
@rizeni said eventually, i'm not making this change today22:06
@bopbopoh, ok22:06
@rizenbut when we make the change, some stuff will have to be changed to accomodate it22:06
@rizenbut it makes a lot more sense to use a uniform system for uploads like that22:07
@rizenthan to build one for each asset22:07
@rizenso you can attach stuff22:07
@bopbopit does- the way you were referring to it made me think it was something available to use already22:07
@rizenyou can link it today22:07
@rizenbut you can't upload today22:07
@rizenat least for files22:07
@rizenonly images can be uploaded right now22:07
@perlmonkey2There is a bug about allowing assets to be added to assets that can't display them (articles added to articles).  Is this really a bug and only pagelayouts or other assets which can show assets be allowed to have assets added to them?22:15
@Haargnot a bug22:17
@perlmonkey2Haarg: "It is up to the CM's to know which assets should be added where and there are sometimes reasons to make assets children of assets which can't display their children", sound good?22:18
@Haargsounds fine22:19
@perlmonkey2rizen: If my wife lands a quest lecturer in Ukraine next year would there be any problem with me working from there?22:20
@rizennope22:20
@perlmonkey2If you haven't fired me by then :D22:20
@rizenas long as you can do what we ask of you from there, then no problem at all22:20
@perlmonkey2sweet22:21
@rizenperhaps you're finally catching on to the notion of how irrelevant "where" you work at PB is22:21
@perlmonkey2Coolest gig ever.22:22
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, there's another template for displaying multiple attachments in an Article22:26
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: Just eyeballing the code, it looks like there are no template arrays to fill out that data.  22:27
+perlDreamerline 299, Asset::Wobject::Article22:28
+perlDreamerPBtmpl0000000000000207 <-- that's the template that uses it22:31
Lisettehow to do to change the post of the button pay of the cart?22:32
+perlDreamerLisette, that's an internationalized label22:33
+perlDreamerIn namespace: Shop, label "choose shipping button"22:34
+perlDreamerIf you don't like that, then use the online Help to tell you which variables are available in the Shopping Cart template, remove the labels that you don't like, and hardcode the text22:34
Lisetteyes, but i have to change the post of the button22:36
+perlDreamerLisette, that requires a lot of JS and HTML work in the template.22:36
+perlDreamerThat's about as far as I have traced it.22:36
Lisetteok, thanks22:37
Lisettei think that this was in the code22:38
+perlDreamerIt is.  WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm22:39
+perlDreamermethod: www_view22:39
Lisettethanks22:40
topsubi am trying to get the lastest edits from these asses and this isn't getting what i expect. Anyone take a sec and see if i am missing something? http://pastebin.com/m1698c90f22:44
topsubConnecting the EMS, asset and assetData table22:44
topsubit does seem that the revisionDate from the EMS is different from assetData.. is that normal?22:45
+perlDreamerno22:45
+perlDreamerI think you also have to join assetData and the EMS table on revisionDate22:46
topsubhmm i believe i am22:46
topsubline 5.. ad.assetId = ems.assetID22:47
topsubwait.. did i misunderstand what you meant?22:47
topsuboooo22:47
topsubi see do a connection on RevisionDate22:47
+perlDreameryeah. ad.revisionDate=ems.revisionDate22:49
topsubdo i need to group on revisionDate then?22:52
topsubhere i am hardcoding for this one asset where i am expecting only 1 result but i get 25.. am i missing something? http://pastebin.com/m2f7fef1722:56
@perlmonkey2if you are trying to limit on the max rev date, shouldn't that be in your where clause?22:59
topsubhmm believe max is done by the SELECT 23:00
@perlmonkey2are there 25 assetData rows with that revisionDate?23:03
topsubWe have multi EMS in the system and we want to pull all of them but with the lastest revision23:03
topsubseems like it pm223:03
topsublet do me sql query really quick23:03
@Haarghttp://pastebin.com/m7fd7473423:03
topsubyep there is23:04
@Haargshould probably have a check on status in the subselect actually23:04
topsubhaarg, like status = approved?23:05
@Haargyeah23:06
topsubwow thanks a ton haarg.23:07
topsubwhy is the reason we had to do subseleects like that vs just equals?23:08
@Haargyou need to limit to just the row corresponding to the max revisionDate23:09
@Haargthere's no way to do that without a subselect23:09
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+perlDreamertopsub, are you going to help out with RFE day?23:12
topsubwhat do you mean?23:12
topsublike try and improve stuff?23:13
topsubor give feedback?23:13
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+perlDreamerlike implement RFEs23:14
topsubi can surely try23:14
+perlDreamerhere's what to do23:15
+perlDreamerPick an RFE that has been rated that you want to work on.23:15
+perlDreamerPost back to the RFE saying that you're working on it23:15
+perlDreamerwhen it's done, grab a hold of a PB guy (most likely rizen) and let him know it's done.  Just to double check that it's core approved.23:16
+perlDreamerthen commit it23:16
+perlDreamerThey've set aside the whole day tomorrow for it23:16
topsubah.. if i ever can break free from knowmad work23:16
topsubgot deadlines wednesday23:16
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topsubIs there a bug with datetime not saving still? We seem to be having trouble within the EMS saving the DateTime23:29
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@perlmonkey2in Shop, the only way to affect shipping price is through the Shipping Methods right?  Individual products can not have shipping costs directly attached to them, only modifiers?00:07
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+perlDreamerIf a Sku does not have its isShippable method=1, then it won't have shipping applied to it00:08
+perlDreamerthat's the only way00:08
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@perlmonkey2I was working on the no international chars in URLS bug and I can't even enter in Chinese chars in a Title or Url.  And the failure is not graceful at all.  It creates a bugged version.00:27
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elninohello!  I have wre. 084, and everyonce in a while, site slows down, and then I get an email that modproxy is down and can't be restarted, and then the next email says it's been restarted. Is there a way for me ot "up" the error logs to see what may cause this?04:43
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elninoI just installed the additional cpan mod per 084 errata maybe that will help..04:56
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+Radix-wrkupgrade to 0.8.5?05:47
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elninowas there a fix for modproxy going down? I didn't see anything in the release notes.05:58
@preactiondepends on what's in the error log06:16
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elninowhich I had a bunch of: 06:19
elninoKilled 0 Apache/mod_perl processes that were using too much memory.06:20
elninoApache/mod_proxy reported down. Starting critical monitor.06:20
elnino Apache/mod_proxy on localhost is down and could not be restarted. 06:20
elninoin wremonitor, and in mod_proxy:06:20
elninochild process 7185 still did not exit, sending a SIGTERM06:20
elninoand stuff about session cache, but that was in the release notes. - maybe that is what caused it?06:21
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elninomy mod perl looks the same, a bunch of child process still did not exit. I think those errors occured when I was trying to shut down the machine. VERY non responsive. never saw such a slow machine.06:22
@preactionwremonitor couldn't hit the mod_proxy server, so it decided to kill it to see if it would restart06:24
@preactionwremonitor gives something like 15 seconds or 30 seconds for the server to respond by default06:24
@preactionthat's set in wre/etc/wre.conf under... hang on06:24
@preaction"apache" : "connectionTimeout"06:25
elninoso the question is why after a while, does the system slow to a halt, and then I get these messages? I don't recall having issues before, but then again, Ididn't have wremonitor running either.  hmm. I also noticed that I have only 256K and I think you guys recommend 512 minimum.06:27
elninohmmm. it did it again.. This is getting frequent.06:39
@preactionmaybe turn on the slow_query_log for mysql to figure out where a slowdown is?06:49
@preactionis the server swapping? that's usually bad06:49
@preactionor perhaps running a backup?06:50
elninooh yeah, backups. yep, thats about that time. So that's probably what it is now.06:54
elninoright now it's not swaping, but I'll look next time.06:58
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elninodo you recommend a good reporting tool that logs memory usage? and sends out reports on the health of the system? memory usage, bandwidth, etc.06:59
@preactionwhat we do is prevent wremonitor.pl from running during backups time06:59
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@preactionmod_status might be to your interest06:59
elninothat's probably a good idea. =)06:59
elninoI suppose that assumes i"M using wre's backup script as opposed to myown?07:00
@preactionnot necessarily, preventing the wremonitor from running is done by editing the crontab entry07:00
@preactionlike 0-23 (don't run wremonitor 23-24 when backups are running) 07:00
@preactionor something07:00
@preaction0-4,6-2407:01
@preactionetc...07:01
elninoah. sure, got it. Thanks07:01
elninook, this looks bad to me, am I right?07:04
elnino             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached07:04
elninoMem:           256        245         10          0          1         1707:04
+Radix-wrkonly got 256Mb mem huh? :)07:05
elninoI'm using 245 of memory?  07:05
elninoYep. 07:05
elninoI know, recommeded is 512, right?07:05
+Radix-wrkyah07:05
elninothat's dedicated.. peak probaby 1G07:05
elninobut I'm not swapping. =)07:05
@preactionyeah, that's pretty bad07:05
@preactiondo you have any swap?07:06
+Radix-wrkthere's some things you can do to optimise your apache/mysql for 256Mb mem07:06
@preactionyeah, reduce MaxClients StartServers and MinSpareServers07:06
@preactionmaybe make the mod_proxy instance use MPM_Worker instead07:06
+Radix-wrkand mysql cache07:06
elninoaccording to vmstat, no, not at this time.07:06
+Radix-wrkelnino: using a vps?07:06
elninoyes.07:06
+Radix-wrksame as me :)07:06
@preactioninitializing a half-gig of unused disk space as swap might help you, it'll be slow as snails but it won't give OOM errors (it might be a tossup for which is worse)07:07
elninoI haven't gotten any OOM errer yet. Just 500 error when the site goes down and mod_proxy can't be reached.07:08
@perlmonkey2preaction: thanks for getting back to those 'sites are down' requests.  07:09
@preactionnp, i figured we didn't want to appear asleep at the switch, even if it was showing "Maintenance" and not actually down07:10
elninoI've been googling around. Looks like I can't have a swap partition on a vps server, is that right?07:17
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elninopreaction: do I add the mod_status to the modproxy file or the mod_perl file?, I'm assuming mod_proxy.conf file.07:28
@preactionmodproxy.conf yeah07:29
@preactionsomething like <Location /server-status>SetHandler status</Location> or something07:29
elninooh. looky, it's already there!07:33
elninoyou guys think of everything.07:33
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elninohm. do I have to setup the /server-status as a passthru?07:40
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@preactionelnino, probably yes07:49
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@tavistoanyone know if valuecms is operates out of Egypt? I think it does...08:02
@tavisto-is08:02
@tavistonevermind.. found out it does through a subsidiary company website08:05
elninopreaction. oh good grief, you'd think that would be simple08:20
@preactionnew url handlers?08:21
elninoI unfortunately missed that workshop. I wanted to go.08:21
@preactionadd a line to the "urlHandlers" block: "^/server-status" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru"08:21
elninomy webgui.conf file didn't have passthru handlers.08:21
elninoso I had to add them08:21
elninomy modproxy files says I don't have permissiont to view server-status08:21
elninoI have another install of apache, I'm wondering if that is conflicting08:22
@preactionin your Location block you need "Order allow,deny" and "Allow from all"08:22
elninoI do.08:22
elninowell. no.08:22
@preactionlook in the modproxy error log, it should say something about "Client denied by server configuration"08:22
@preactionor, what does it say?08:22
elninoyep. and it specifies 808108:22
elninoso then I thought I needed to specify a port in the location directive and it didn't like that.08:23
elninoI have Allow from 127.0.0.108:23
elninoI'll change it to all to see if it even works.08:23
elninoyou can look at the wiki I wrote to see exacty what I did: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/enabling-mod_status08:30
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BartJolmorning10:48
patspammorning :)10:50
BartJolgood evening to you10:51
patspamheh that's ok, I'd rather pretend it was still morning10:51
patspamthen i could still entertain the idea that i was going to get some work done today10:51
BartJol:)10:52
BartJolwell, we'll be at work for another 8 hours, so feel free to join10:52
patspamheh yeah, RFE day!10:53
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SDuensinGreetings.16:09
BartJolMorning16:10
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BartJolMrHairgrease: you scared Vrby 16:27
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@perlmonkey2Woohoo RFE day!16:27
+MrHairgreaseI wish it was for me16:28
+MrHairgreaseit's get your project finished day over here...16:28
@perlmonkey2patspam: you around?16:29
@perlmonkey2MrHairgrease: isn't that everyday?16:29
patspambarely..16:29
BartJolmm, something wrong with the carrot cake?16:29
patspamheh no, just going on midnight, that's all ;)16:30
@perlmonkey2patspam: You should move Australia to a more reasonable time zone :P16:30
patspamI'm working on it..16:30
patspamsomething about "the cows won't like it"16:31
@perlmonkey2No, I was speaking more tectonically. 16:31
@perlmonkey2:P16:31
@perlmonkey2BartJol: You brought carrot cake and aren't sharing?16:32
* MrHairgrease already sees the headlined16:32
+MrHairgrease"WebGUI developer causes worldwide Tsunami"16:32
BartJolperlmonkey2: no, patrick was eating a stale one,, not sure where he got it16:33
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patspamBartjol: out of my fridge =p16:35
patspamhow it got in there, i don't know16:35
SDuensinAny of you guys do design work?  Any recommendations for something WYSIWYG?16:44
BartJolyeah, last night I flew up and down to Australia to put a stale carrot cake in your fridge, you caught me there16:44
* SDuensin is tired of hand-editing CSS.16:44
+MrHairgreaseSDuensin should use firebug16:45
BartJolwell, you can extend the tinyMCE with more style control16:45
BartJolbut CSS can be more precise16:45
SDuensinI'm talking about a tool for doing the general site theme.16:45
BartJoldunno about that16:46
* SDuensin is looking at Freeway at the moment. Looks cool.16:46
@preactionSDuensin, i've heard good things about quanta+ and bluefish (i think that's what it's called)16:47
@preactionthough i'm not sure how they perform really, since i'm a purist16:48
SDuensinYea, I was a purist, too, until I realized it takes me hours to lay out a site.  Did one yesterday in 10 minutes using iWeb.  Now I want that power with WebGUI.16:50
@preactionit'd be a wonderful RFE16:51
SDuensinYa think?  :-P16:51
@preactionYUI has a application called Grid Builder, a little throwaway thing they created, but it would be nice for a theme editor16:52
SDuensinYou ever use iWeb?  I was half tempted to start hacking the output it creates to "WebGUIize" it.16:52
SDuensinIt's so easy.  :-)16:53
@preactionisn't iweb pluggable?17:00
@preactionand no i haven't used it. wysiwyg has been dead to me since dreamweaver MX17:00
@rizenpatspam damn it!!!17:00
SDuensinpreaction - Dunno if it is or not.  My 5 minutes looking into it didn't find anything.17:02
SDuensinThis Freeway looks like iWeb for grown ups.  :-)17:02
SDuensinrizen !17:02
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@rizenpatspam, you do realize that the RFE day is *not* for submitting RFE's, it is for clearing out RFE's17:02
@rizeni got 10 new RFE requests since midnight17:03
* patspam slaps forehead17:03
@rizen6 of which are from you17:03
+MrHairgreasemay rizen should put in an rfe for a rfe day rfe blocker17:03
SDuensinDoes he have enough karma to matter?17:03
+MrHairgreasei guess jt creates karma if he needs it17:04
patspamwon't that lead to inflation?17:04
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@RfeSlasherMcGurkcreating karma out of thin air doesn't get me anything since i'm not included in the karma economy17:05
@RfeSlasherMcGurkother than karma just costing me real $$$17:05
@RfeSlasherMcGurkkarma is a great thing for the community, but a bad thing for JT's wallet17:05
SDuensinPoor JT.17:06
@RfeSlasherMcGurkwoe is me17:06
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+MrHairgreaseI'll ask Cone to send you fruit basket17:07
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@perlmonkey2Are people marking RFE's they're working on?17:12
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@preactionthey better be17:14
@preactioni know colin reserved a few17:14
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BartJolwell in this way, RFE day will be memorable as the day the great WebGUI dictator arose... (thinking of JT as Charly Chaplin...)17:21
@preactionthe UN UN-JTed the world17:25
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@tavistobopbop, I looked at the "Meta Data Possible Values RFE" and that appears to be solved by the new keyword functionality in meta data.17:28
@bopbopit does- go ahead and note that in the reply and close it17:28
@tavistoThey are saying like if someone comes to the site and has assets that use a keyword like "install"17:28
@tavistothey would come up in WebGUI search17:28
@bopbopyep17:28
@tavistoalrighty17:29
@bopbopbut, the assets need to be edited17:29
@bopbopto apply that keyword17:29
@tavistoexactly17:29
@bopbopok17:29
@bopbopclose it17:29
@tavistoin fact we need to do that on several of the webgui.org content as well :)17:29
@bopbopyep17:29
@tavistothat was a recommendation at the town hall17:29
@bopbopmaybe today17:29
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@tavistoaye!17:29
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@RfeSlasherMcGurkrfe--18:04
@perlmonkey2That was fast Slasher18:09
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+MrHairgreaseperlbot rfe18:18
perlbotChris62vw needs to add convenient factoid addition features to you18:18
@RfeSlasherMcGurkrfe--18:31
@perlmonkey2ckotil: line 251 in 7.5 or 7.6.  7.6 would through an exceptoin18:31
@perlmonkey2So would 7.518:32
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ckotilah nice18:34
+perlDreamerRFE day!18:34
ckotilawsome!18:34
@tavistow00p w00p18:34
+perlDreamertavisto, you have to do at 3 RFEs today18:35
@tavistoperlDreamer, that's fine.. You don't get to do RFEs though... you get to fix SHOP bugs!!! muwhahaha18:35
+perlDreamerthere _are_ no Shop bugs, oh Market-enhanced one18:35
@tavistoj/k, I'm not even sure there are any.  :)18:35
+MrHairgreasetavisto: how could there be any? You do know who made the new shop do you?18:37
@tavistoyeah.. it was that crazy martin guy...18:38
+MrHairgreaseand those crazy colin and jt guys18:39
@tavistoI've heard some rumors about him... legend has it he does not have blood flowing through his veins but rather.... german lager18:39
+MrHairgreasedon't buy the rumours18:39
+MrHairgreasethere not true per se 18:39
BartJolit's not *german* lager18:40
BartJolbut have a nice RFE day everybody, unfortunately, I'll miss the rest18:44
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+perlDreamerRfeSlasherMcGurk, I have this RFE ready for commit. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/cancel-button#FxJ9teR8WSp9Cg8dHIYelQ  You cool with it?18:52
+perlDreameradding a cancel button to the edit profile field form18:52
@RfeSlasherMcGurkegg salad, please feel free to commit18:54
@RfeSlasherMcGurki'll close18:54
+perlDreamerI'm planning on 3 RFEs today, as time permits18:55
+perlDreamerCan't let you guys have _all_ the fun18:55
@RfeSlasherMcGurkonly 3?18:55
+perlDreamerAlthough so far, I'd say Haarg has had the most fun, turbo charging the Macro processor18:55
@RfeSlasherMcGurki've already done 318:55
@RfeSlasherMcGurktotally going to beat you18:55
@RfeSlasherMcGurk=)18:55
@RfeSlasherMcGurkyes he has...damn it18:55
+perlDreamerThat's okay18:55
+perlDreamerIt only makes the macro-ification of template i18n all the better18:56
+perlDreamermeeting, be back in an hour...18:59
@RfeSlasherMcGurkrfe --19:04
nubaso i would like to engage in a hardcore discussion of the philosophy behind the current desig of the webgui API and current class hierarchy decisions19:08
nubajust kidding, happy RFE day, cant join but enjoying it anyway!! rock on guys!19:09
@RfeSlasherMcGurkperlMonkey2: no more adding RFE's to 7.519:11
@RfeSlasherMcGurknot even a back button19:11
@perlmonkey2whups19:11
@perlmonkey2That was stupid wasn't it.19:11
@perlmonkey2RfeSlasherMcGurk: want me to roll back those changes?19:11
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthis one is fine...just not again19:12
@RfeSlasherMcGurkperlmonkey2: after you add an RFE close it19:13
@perlmonkey2RfeSlasherMcGurk: I don't have permissions to close.19:14
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@RfeSlasherMcGurkok perlmonkey2 perlDreamer dionak and topsub can all close rfe's and bugs now19:21
@RfeSlasherMcGurkanybody else ?19:21
@apeiron_RfeSlasherMcGurk, /me19:28
topsubis there a way i can shove the DBH ( from site 1 )  into the session getting called ( from site 2 ) so when i use the webgui API it looks at the database link ( from site 1 ) instead of the current site?19:28
@apeiron_Oh, wait, I can, never mind.19:28
@RfeSlasherMcGurkapeiron, all pb staff can now close 19:28
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topsubI am using the Database handle to get data from another site but when i call the webgui API it uses the session which is looking at the current site instead of the DBH.19:29
@bopboptavisto: I'm going to start going through wg.org to assign metadata keywords19:30
@RfeSlasherMcGurktopsub why would you want to do such a frankensteinish manuever19:31
@RfeSlasherMcGurkdo you just wish to open a database handle to site2 from site1? if so, you don't need to shove it into the session19:31
@RfeSlasherMcGurkyou can either directly open it using a WebGUI::SQL object, or you can create a database link and use that using the WebGUI::DatabaseLink API19:32
topsubwell i have assetID's from site 1 and i need to get more information from the database about the assetIDs but when then api is called it using site 219:32
topsubits a macro built to pull information out of the database19:32
topsubbut now we need to use this macro on another site19:32
topsuband pull the same information but we have to pull the information from site 119:33
@tavistoalright bopbop19:33
@tavistoI'll join you very shortly19:33
topsubso it seems i will have to rewrite it to use the DBH on site 219:34
@RfeSlasherMcGurkyup19:35
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dionakthanks JT19:44
@RfeSlasherMcGurkit's RfeSlasherMcGurk to you19:45
+MrHairgreaseTo me JT's still cuddly teddy bear19:46
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@perlmonkey2Okay, stupid question, but where is the link to close an RFE?19:53
@apeironperlmonkey2, In the box at the top.19:53
@perlmonkey2Okay, then I don't have permissions to close RFE's, the cache isn't showing me the correct page, or I'm an idiot.19:54
@apeironperlmonkey2, It's the sixth row in that top box.19:54
@apeironperlmonkey2, Sure you're logged in?19:54
@perlmonkey2Heh, yep19:54
@perlmonkey2Difficulty is my 6th row19:54
@apeironOkay, that's what I see when I'm not logged in.19:55
@perlmonkey2Yeah, I just flipped admin on and off to make sure.19:55
dionakis it possible to redirect a user to a certain page upon account activation? i want to prompt them to purchase an optional subscription19:55
@RfeSlasherMcGurkperlmonkey2 you are in both groups that have the privileges to see that 19:56
@RfeSlasherMcGurkso if you're not seeing something, then it's a bug that i hereby assign you to resolve. =)19:57
@perlmonkey2hah, I bet it is just cached19:57
+perlDreamerdionak, there's a redirectUrl defined in the system somewhere19:59
+perlDreameryou can find it in auth19:59
+MrHairgreasedionak: $session->scratch->set('redirectAfterLogin, 'url');19:59
dionaklooking to see if that can be part of the form or if i have to write custom. trying to avoid custom code. 20:01
@perlmonkey2MrHairgrease: and that would just be in the macro for the registration page?20:01
@perlmonkey2in <a> macro, I mean20:01
+MrHairgreasei dunno what the macro for the registration page is20:01
+MrHairgreaseoh20:01
+MrHairgreaseno idea20:01
+MrHairgreasebut it's trivial to create one20:01
dionakthere's also a runOnRegistration option that looks interesting20:02
@perlmonkey2because you don't want them being prompted after every login, just the first registration.  So in the registration page, include a tiny macro that simply sets the scratch like you say.20:02
+MrHairgreasepm2: after login the scratch var will be cleared automatically20:02
@perlmonkey2That certainly sounds pertinent 20:02
+MrHairgreasedionak: that's a workflow trigger20:03
+MrHairgreaseyou cannot redirect users with that20:03
+MrHairgreaseanyway gotta go20:03
dionakok, that makes sense...looking at auth.pm. i see that20:03
@perlmonkey2hasta MrHairgrease20:03
+MrHairgreasehave fun clearing up the rfes20:03
@perlmonkey2more fun that storming castles20:03
@perlmonkey2s/that/than20:04
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@perlmonkey2Anyone else want to close this RFE for me?20:05
@perlmonkey2http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-back-to-site-option-after-commiting-a-version-tag?op=switchOffAdmin20:05
@perlmonkey2Can I alter Form/* so that a flag can be passed toHTML to make them be red and bolded?20:07
@Haargcan't you just add a class using extras?20:08
@apeironperlmonkey2, It's closed, though someone else got to it before I did.20:08
@preactionor a flag in WebGUI::Form::Control's definition?20:08
Bernd_Help! Is it possible the community wiki is being locked at the moment?20:09
Bernd_I am unable to create a new page-20:09
Bernd_I receive the following error message:20:09
Bernd_Permission Denied! This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different from the one that you are using. 20:09
@preactionBernd_, try it now20:09
@perlmonkey2Haarg: I thought it should be part of the RFE so that when a form item is reshown do to not being filled out correctly, it could stand out.20:09
Bernd_preaction: Working again! Thanks.20:10
@Haarg'highlighted in red' just seems like an odd thing to have in the forms api20:10
+perlDreameruse a subtext indicator, like a red asterisk following the form field20:11
+perlDreameror an exclamation point20:11
@perlmonkey2yeah, was just going to say a red star20:11
+perlDreameror a picture of Captian Barky, ohhh, he's such a salty dog20:11
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@tavistothe other thing I've seen is the the form field is highlighted in a different color. The asterisk would work though as well20:12
@perlmonkey2The problem is that Auth createAccountSave doesn't appear to have a good way to pass in failed fields to createAccount.  So what, pass in a new param with an array of fields to mark up?20:13
@tavistonot red, but usually it's a blue, yellow, etc.. to make it stand out. 20:13
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wgGuest21hello20:15
@perlmonkey2hello wgGuest2120:15
wgGuest21I have a problem in upgrading webgui :(20:15
wgGuest21I'm at version 7.4.14 and tried to upgrade to 7.4.4020:16
wgGuest21but the update script thinks I'm at 7.4.320:16
wgGuest21so it fails20:16
wgGuest21WRE 0.8.520:16
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wgGuest21can anybody help me? :(20:19
@preactionwgGuest21, does the webguiVersion table in mysql say 7.4.3?20:21
wgGuest21If I go to the admin panel then Statistics it says I'm on 7.4.1420:22
@preactionwhat does the webguiVersion table in mysql say?20:22
wgGuest21and also the changelog reflects that20:22
wgGuest21mmh how can I check that?20:23
@preactionopen mysql and look at the webguiVersion table in your site's database?20:23
wgGuest21I don't know how to do that with the terminal :/20:24
wgGuest21I got no GUI at the moment20:24
wgGuest21Is there a command I can use?20:24
@khennmysql -u<user> -p<password> <database>20:24
@preactionman mysql20:24
wgGuest21ok I'm in20:25
wgGuest21what do I enter after that khenn :)20:26
@khennselect * from webguiVersion;20:26
wgGuest21thanks!20:27
wgGuest21wow it really says that last upgrade is 7.4.3 how can this be :((20:27
@preactionwgGuest21, because you updated your codebase to 7.4.14 but never ran upgrade.pl20:27
wgGuest21mmh I must have done that, because when I run it now the script fails at some point when it's adding the Events table (for the Calendar I guess). It fails because it's already there20:28
@preactionthen it must have failed there before, or failed before there before.20:29
wgGuest21what can I do now?20:30
@preactionrestore from a backup before the failed upgrade?20:31
@preactiontry to reconcile the failed upgrade by running the individual subs one at a time?20:31
wgGuest21no I can't really do that, that point is from a year ago20:31
wgGuest21how can I do that? I copy over the 7.4.40 as written in the wiki but instead of running the upgrade script I manually run each sub script?20:33
wgGuest21for example 7.4.3-7.4.420:33
@preactionno, you manually run each subroutine in the 7.4.3-7.4.4 upgrade. those are the only subs that need to be done like this20:34
@preactionbecause some got run, some didn't.20:34
@preactionthe ones that got run can't get run again, so you need to edit the upgrade script to prevent that20:34
wgGuest21and how do I know which parts to edit?20:35
@preactionyou're a Perl programmer (or at least can read Perl) and can tell which subs have already run by what the subs do and checking to see that it happened20:35
wgGuest21I'm no perl programmer :(20:36
@khennyou didn't back up your database before you tried to upgrade?20:37
wgGuest21yes I did20:37
@khennso restore the database from the backup20:37
@khennand run upgrade.pl again20:38
wgGuest21In fact I reverted several times20:38
wgGuest21I can't because the point when I upgraded to 7.4.14 is from a year ago20:38
wgGuest21so I would lose tons of data20:38
wgGuest21I didn't know that the upgrades went bad20:38
+perlDreamerwgGuest21, regardless of who does it, it needs to be done.20:38
+perlDreamerOtherwise you're done upgrading, like forever.20:38
wgGuest21but I know at which point the upgrade script failed: at 7.4.7-7.4.8 when "Adding timeZone to Events"20:39
@preactionwgGuest21, then the largest number in your webguiVersions table would be "7.4.8", each version gets added to that table as you upgrade20:40
wgGuest21https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/releases/WebGUI_7.4.40-stable/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.7-7.4.8.pl20:40
@khennso you'll need to run the upgrades up to 7.4.14 manually20:40
@preactionregardless, you're going to need a professional20:41
wgGuest21no preaction because it failed. If I upgraded till 7.4.7 I guess it would have stored that20:41
@preactionagain. it runs each upgrade, and the individual upgrade updates the webguiVersion table20:41
@preactionso the 7.4.3-7.4.4 upgrade puts 7.4.4 in the webguiVersions table20:42
@preactionsame with the 7.4.4-7.4.520:42
wgGuest21mmh so why it's not there20:42
@preactionbecause that's where it failed20:42
wgGuest21no it failed at 7.4.7-7.4.8 script. I saw the output20:42
@preactionor you restored from backup to there and didn't downgrade your codebase20:42
@preactiona year ago? you remember from a year ago that's where it failed?20:42
wgGuest21no I run the upgrade script today20:43
@preactionthat's different. it's already broken20:43
wgGuest21the site was left a year untouched at 7.4.1420:43
@preaction7.4.3-7.4.4 is where it broke. it's trying to move past there, but it's failing because you're missing stuff20:43
@preactionyou need to talk to a professional20:43
wgGuest21but the upgrade mess should have been done more than a year ago20:43
@preactionmight i offer the services of Plain Black Corp?20:43
wgGuest21but the output says OK! when updating to 7.4.420:44
@khennpd:  do you still want to do this: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/better-info-for-assets-that-require-commit-before-adding-children#DAJ-gygemXSoELKdWGbVUg20:44
wgGuest21it fails at 7.4.8 that's what the script says20:45
+perlDreamerI still want it done.  If you want to do it khenn, please have fun!20:45
+perlDreamerI'm buried with $dayJob today20:45
@khennk20:45
wgGuest21maybe I can follow khenn suggestion and try to execut each script manually? I think that way I would successfully go to 7.4.720:45
+perlDreamerI dropped notes on the RFEs that I'm currently working on20:45
wgGuest21then at 7.4.8 I need to remove the timezone Events subroutine20:46
+perlDreamerwgGuest21, whatever you do from this point, you'd better have good backups20:46
@khennyeah run them each separately from 7.4.820:46
@khennand back up each time20:46
wgGuest21I have good backups, point is that I cannot revert to the "predisaster" or I would lose data20:46
+perlDreamerright, but if you make a new mistake, you'll have a new disaster20:46
+perlDreamerif it was me, I'd hire someone else to do it20:47
wgGuest21that's true20:47
+perlDreamerespecially if you're not a perl programmer20:47
wgGuest21and how much do you think it would cost20:47
+perlDreamerI don't know.  I'd say at least a few hours of hand work.20:47
+perlDreamerNot working for Plain Black, I can't tell you what that would cost.20:47
wgGuest21really a few hours? :(20:48
+perlDreamerYeah.  And that's by an expert.20:48
wgGuest21woha20:48
+perlDreamerFirst, they'll analyze the db and figure out what ran and what didn't20:48
wgGuest21why damnit the statiscs page doesn't grab the version info from that db table20:48
+perlDreamerthen they'll snapshot the site and try a manual, sub by sub upgrade off on the side20:48
+perlDreamerthen if that works, they'll upgrade the main site20:49
+perlDreamerthen, off on the side again, they'll probably try the rest of the upgrades20:49
+perlDreamerand if that works, duplicate that on your main site20:49
+perlDreamerthat's the safest way to get it done (imo)20:49
wgGuest21ok20:49
* perlDreamer goes to the gym for physical abuse, since coding isn't abusive enough today20:49
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@tavistolast night I updated the hosters wiki page and got the list of companies that host WebGUI up to 12 (including PB). And I'm sure I can find some more on google21:38
@tavistoCouple of them I've never heard of before so that was neat. One, SiteGround offers it on their dedicated server boxes only21:39
@perlmonkey2Anyone who wants the top RFE can have it.  Looks like I'm going to be tied up on support for a bit.  http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/registration-form-to-keep-user-entries-on-error#tif3VXTNhn844ZaDdJsqeA21:43
@perlmonkey2Should be an easy one, if a bit tricky to add the red|blue|yellow|pink|ornge| flashing|non-flashing stars|text|rainbows|whatevers next to|on top of the text.21:44
+perlDreamerhas anyone kept track of the number of rfes implemented today?22:04
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+perlDreamerrizen: The power of the stroopwaffle has been scientifically proven: http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080916/sc_livescience/snacksoverpowerourbestintentions;_ylt=AlIM_ZTPNZ.BhS4ftWaVBh_737YB22:18
+perlDreamerYou can tell RfeSlasherMcGurk about it, too22:18
@RfeSlasherMcGurki know it22:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurki knew it i mean22:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkstroopwaffle is now the most powerful food in the universe22:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkgod i love those things22:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurki should move to holland just so i can have them all the time =)22:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthat an pannenkoken22:20
+perlDreamerWe should rename karma to pannenkoeken22:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkooooooh22:21
+perlDreamerRfeSlasherMcGurk: I'm looking at this rfe22:23
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/move-hardcoded-words-to-i18n#BWil5C7qQ_T_g75-yF7wMQ22:23
+perlDreamerI don't see any "easy" way to make Untitled by i18n'ed22:24
+perlDreamerNot without detecting it at save time and writing the i18n'ed data into the db instead of Untitled22:24
+perlDreamerAny suggestions? (including saying "No!") ?22:24
@RfeSlasherMcGurkactually it's very easy22:24
@RfeSlasherMcGurkhere's how22:24
+perlDreamerLead me, thuktun22:24
@RfeSlasherMcGurkedit the getTitle() method22:24
@RfeSlasherMcGurkin Asset.pm22:25
@RfeSlasherMcGurkand if the title is "Untitled"22:25
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthen display the local version22:25
@RfeSlasherMcGurkoh wait22:25
@RfeSlasherMcGurknevermind..he wants this out in the templates and stuff22:25
@RfeSlasherMcGurkright?22:25
+perlDreameryes22:25
@RfeSlasherMcGurkyeah, that's impossible to do without fucking up the getTitle method22:25
+perlDreamerThen I'll do the first half of it (i18n copy) and deny the last half of it22:26
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthat is....unless...i just thought of a way to do it22:26
@RfeSlasherMcGurkedit the processTemplate() method22:26
@RfeSlasherMcGurkit copies title into the properties there22:26
@RfeSlasherMcGurkcall the getTitle method at that point22:26
+perlDreamerthat does 73% of the job.  Navigations and anything with children would have to be handled manually as well22:27
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@RfeSlasherMcGurkthen update navigation to do that as well22:28
@RfeSlasherMcGurkactually...while you're in navigation there's another RFE you can close22:29
@RfeSlasherMcGurkeach asset that gets included into the navigation should expose all of it's properties22:29
+perlDreamer_all_?22:29
+perlDreamerwhoa22:30
+perlDreamerHoly memory consumption Batman!22:30
@RfeSlasherMcGurknavigation is already holy memory consumption batman22:31
@RfeSlasherMcGurkand here's the thing22:31
@RfeSlasherMcGurkonce per week it seems i get an RFE asking to expose yet another variable to navigation22:31
@RfeSlasherMcGurkif all variables are exposed, then we don't ever have to do it again22:32
+perlDreamerwill do, RSMG22:32
+perlDreamerright after I upload my latest utility to save the world22:32
@RfeSlasherMcGurkand it's only huge memory consumption if you've designed a horrible nav that exposes 10,000 assets22:32
@RfeSlasherMcGurkit should only expose between 5 and 20 assets per nav22:33
@RfeSlasherMcGurkRSMG?22:33
+perlDreamerRfeSlasherMcGurk22:33
@RfeSlasherMcGurkooh22:33
@RfeSlasherMcGurksorry i didn't catch on to that22:33
+perlDreamerI updated the templateFiler script to create packages for me, too22:33
+perlDreamerIt's way faster to edit templates on the command line22:33
+perlDreamerso now, when you upload templates via the templateFiler, you tell it to make it a package and automatically export it22:35
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Lisettethere is a tutorial about the payment methods in the shop?22:41
+perlDreamerNo.22:41
+perlDreamerWell, maybe in the new Shop book.22:42
+perlDreamerbopbop: Does the new commerce book cover payment methods?22:42
@bopbopyes22:42
@bopbopthe ones included with WebGUI are covered, as well as some info for programming22:43
+perlDreamerthere you go, lisette.  Just get a copy of the new commerce book from PlainBlack22:43
+perlDreamerhere's the URL for the book: https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2/webgui-shop-guide22:43
Lisettei want to buy but arrive in 3 weeks, you know if there in pdf?22:44
Lisettei need urgent22:44
Lisetteor a little tutorial22:45
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@bopbopwhat exactly do you need to know Lisette?22:49
Lisettei need redirect the checkout of cart to another site22:49
Lisetteand i get the products, total, subtotal, and another items of the cart for the payment method22:51
Lisettei need control this method with the banks of my country22:51
@bopbopI couldn't help you with that. You could try asking in here again tomorrow. People are working on RFEs today, but might have more time tomorrow to help you out.22:55
+perlDreamerRfeSlasherMcGurk: what's the URL for the Navigation template stuff?22:59
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthe rfe?23:00
@RfeSlasherMcGurki don't actually know23:00
@RfeSlasherMcGurki've just seen it23:00
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthe RFE was actually "add some property to the navigation blah blah blah"23:00
@RfeSlasherMcGurkto which i said "screw that, we'll just add them all cuz i'm sick of you"23:01
+perlDreamerIn that case, I'll close them all!23:01
@RfeSlasherMcGurksweet!23:01
@RfeSlasherMcGurksee you will beat me after all23:02
@RfeSlasherMcGurk=)23:02
+perlDreamerthere's two23:03
+perlDreamerI can't find the one for doing them all, but I'll keep searching.23:10
+perlDreamerThank you for making my RFE, khenn!23:16
@khennno problem.  I'm going to let you do your spectre one =p23:16
+perlDreamerCan someone close this RFE for me please: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/move-hardcoded-words-to-i18n23:19
@RfeSlasherMcGurkyou have the rights to do it now23:19
+perlDreamerWhat form control am I looking for?23:19
@RfeSlasherMcGurkit's a link23:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthat says "close"23:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkin the head block of the rfe23:20
+perlDreamerNo links23:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkwtf23:20
+perlDreamerShould I log out/log back in?23:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkdon't think so23:20
+perlDreamerMaybe if you rebooted PB.com for me ;)23:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurki'm going to have to look at that template23:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkyeah right23:20
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@khennI closed it colin23:21
+perlDreamermuchas, khenn23:21
+perlDreamerIt's ckotil's RFE23:27
+perlDreamerShame on you, ckotil, for naming your RFEs in a misleading fashion.23:28
+perlDreamerPlease close this one, too: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/navigation-asset_-add-page_groupidview-variable23:29
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@RfeSlasherMcGurkoh perldreamer23:53
@RfeSlasherMcGurki have a question for you23:53
@RfeSlasherMcGurkget it wrong, and you die23:53
@RfeSlasherMcGurkget it right, and i'll just beat you about the head and neck mercilesly with your own arms23:54
@RfeSlasherMcGurkfine, be away just when i want to lynch you23:55
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+perlDreamerI'm ready00:11
+perlDreamermy estate has been notified00:11
+perlDreamerRfeSlasherMcGurk: ....?00:12
@RfeSlasherMcGurkit's not as bad as i made it sound00:13
@RfeSlasherMcGurkhere's the problem00:13
@RfeSlasherMcGurkif you have an i18n key that has a - in it00:13
@RfeSlasherMcGurk- = dash00:13
+perlDreameryes00:13
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthen it i18n thinks the key doesn't exist00:14
+perlDreameryes00:14
@RfeSlasherMcGurkand i wanted to know if you did that on purpose00:14
@RfeSlasherMcGurkor if that's a bug00:14
+perlDreamerwe determined that allowing certain characters in i18n keys was a security hole, so originally we allowed only alphanumerics and spaces00:15
+perlDreamerthe list expads as we need new stuff00:15
+perlDreamerso it's a bug00:15
@RfeSlasherMcGurkok00:16
@RfeSlasherMcGurkman that one took me an hour to figure out00:16
+perlDreamerYou should have called me00:16
@RfeSlasherMcGurkvaluable rfe time00:16
@RfeSlasherMcGurki didn't know that was the problem until i was into it for about 50 minutes00:16
@RfeSlasherMcGurki thought i had a syntax problem somewhere00:17
+perlDreamerI have one back at you, minus the promises of violence.  Can you log in to your dev site? And are you fully up to date?00:17
@RfeSlasherMcGurkyes00:17
+perlDreamerhm00:18
+perlDreamerthat's 1/2 good news00:18
+perlDreamerI can't log in anymore00:18
@RfeSlasherMcGurklog in to what?00:19
@RfeSlasherMcGurksvn?00:19
@RfeSlasherMcGurkor your web site?00:19
+perlDreamermy dev site00:19
@RfeSlasherMcGurklet me reset once again just to be sure00:19
@RfeSlasherMcGurkbut i'm in and working on it right now00:19
+perlDreamerI'll keep tinkering00:19
+perlDreamermaybe the old P3 finally gave up the ghost00:20
@RfeSlasherMcGurkthat time i just got a fatal error00:20
+perlDreamerYou may get a chance to beat me about the head and neck yet, RSMG00:23
+perlDreamerI'm running the syntax check test00:24
@RfeSlasherMcGurkhaarg thinks it's something preaction did00:28
@RfeSlasherMcGurki am getting the problem now00:28
@preactionalways00:28
@RfeSlasherMcGurki didn't restart modperl before00:28
@RfeSlasherMcGurkwhich is why i wasn't seeing the problem00:28
@preactioncan't login?00:28
@preactiondid you resetdev?00:28
@RfeSlasherMcGurkdid reset dev00:29
@RfeSlasherMcGurkdid restart modperl00:29
@RfeSlasherMcGurknow logging in causes an infinite loop00:29
@RfeSlasherMcGurkseems to have started after the addition of the userLoginLog stuff00:30
@RfeSlasherMcGurknot sure why00:30
@preactionit works on my dev site. is there an error in the logs? something about missing columns?00:30
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+perlDreamerpreaction: Are you fully up to date?00:38
@preactionnot yet no, gotta do something quick though00:38
+perlDreamernothing in webgui.log00:40
@Haargi think it's a nav problem00:43
+perlDreamerHaarg, why would it matter if you're logged in or not?00:45
@Haargit doesn't as far as i can tell00:45
@Haargi couldn't log in because the page was locked up00:45
@Haargi think it was just from seeing an unrelated thing in the log that we suspected that00:46
+perlDreamerIt is the nav00:52
+perlDreamerMy browser was caching the home page as visitor, so I thought it was working00:52
@RfeSlasherMcGurkdid you find the problem?00:52
+perlDreamerYes.00:52
+perlDreamerThis is bad: while (my ($property, $propertyValue) = each %{ $current->get() }) {00:52
@RfeSlasherMcGurkit is?00:53
@RfeSlasherMcGurkwhat should it be?00:53
+perlDreamerwell, I don't understand why it's bad yet00:53
+perlDreamerso I don't know00:53
@RfeSlasherMcGurkok00:53
@RfeSlasherMcGurkwell i'm getting rid of 2 of those anyway00:53
+perlDreamermaybe a my %hash = %{ $current->get() );00:53
+perlDreamerand then iterate00:53
@apeironProbably calling $current->get for each iteration of the loop.00:53
@RfeSlasherMcGurkwe only wanted full properties for the current nav page00:53
@RfeSlasherMcGurknot the current page and the parent00:54
+perlDreameroh00:54
@RfeSlasherMcGurkso i'll check that in quick00:54
@RfeSlasherMcGurkoh good call apeiron00:54
+perlDreamerthat was Haarg00:55
@Haargapeiron is right though, you can't do the iteration like that00:55
+perlDreamerI didn't see his comment00:55
@Haargbecause it will call it each time00:55
+perlDreamerah00:56
+perlDreameractually, I haven't seen any apeiron comments at all today00:56
+perlDreamerHis nick isn't blocked00:56
@apeironperlDreamer, Hello,world!00:56
+perlDreamerphew00:57
+perlDreamerI'd hate to think that something _else_ was wrong00:57
@apeironhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m60f45f4e demonstrates the issue.00:59
+perlDreamerYay, more fodder for next year's talk.01:00
@apeironI promise not to ring in on that one. :)01:00
+perlDreamerYou can ring in all you want01:00
+perlDreamerI'll bring in lots o' chocolate01:00
+perlDreamer(and maybe more beers)01:00
@Haargi committed a fix01:01
+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg01:01
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+perlDreamerI'll quit inciting chaos and despair and go back to writing tests01:13
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+perlDreamerThis RFE can be closed, it was implemented a long time ago: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/databaselink-extended-dbh-attributes#EjjYhdNi85fjCyiAbIwQuA01:18
+perlDreamerThe field is called additionalParameters01:18
@bopbopclosed01:19
+perlDreamerpreaction's RFE can be closed, too: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-the-pages-range-to-the-available-variables-in-the-webgui-paginator#DOiDx6HXlLOvcPRQj3wuLA01:19
+perlDreamerhe committed his code01:19
@bopbopclosed01:26
+perlDreamerPlease close this one: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/vim-perl-mode-for-skeletons01:33
@Haargclosed01:33
+perlDreamerI _think_ this RFE can be closed: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/dynamic-upload-of-users#ugeHI11WMYI69wkVo36Xgw01:39
+perlDreamerThis RFE can be closed: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/dataform-integer-fields01:46
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+perlDreamerThis RFE can be closed: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/protected-profile-fields-don39t-show-delete-icon02:00
+perlDreamerI just implemented it02:00
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+perlDreamerHaarg, can you close a few RFEs for me, please?02:14
@Haargsure02:14
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/dataform-integer-fields02:14
+perlDreamerI verified that by default, DataForms do that now.02:14
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/protected-profile-fields-don39t-show-delete-icon02:14
+perlDreamerand I did this RFE.02:15
+perlDreamerI may have one more RFE in me today02:15
+perlDreamerwe'll see02:15
+perlDreamer(especially if I don't nuke the core while doing it)02:15
@Haargclosed02:15
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+perlDreamerbopbop: Does the Shop do this: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/ecommerce-feature#0dST_IioB2YPcb1s2rJyPg ?02:27
@bopbopnot in a default install02:28
@bopbopit should be in 7.702:29
@bopbopaccording to those "in the know"02:29
+perlDreamerOffhand, after going through the list in 20 minutes, I'd say we could close up to 10% more RFEs that have either been done, or are irrelevant in the new system.02:37
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patspampreaction: I was actually planning on deleting that LoggedInTime RFE!03:14
patspambecause User Profiling kinda does it already03:18
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SDuensinEvening.03:37
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@perlmonkey2Hello World04:03
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@Lando1aarg haarg04:11
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@Lando1I think he's avoiding me.04:14
@Lando1anyone bored and want to talk about a bug?04:19
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@Lando1rizen: when the the assetManager creates the edit links for assets, shouldn't it pass along proceed=manageAssets ?04:22
@Lando1so that they are sent back to the assetManager after editing?04:22
@preactionyes04:23
@preactionit should04:23
@preactionlet me check and try to fix04:23
@Lando1preaction: Dude, whatever you get paid it is sooo not enough.04:24
@preactionthat no proceed= has ticked me off to no end04:24
@preactionLando1, want a patch to fix yours?04:27
@Lando1absolutely04:27
@preactionlet me load a pastebin and put it there04:27
@preactionor you could go to https://svn.webgui.org04:28
@preactionclick "Browse SVN" 04:28
@preactionand choose revision 760304:28
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@preactionhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m4534790a <- here it is Lando1 04:28
@Lando1sweet, thanks04:28
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@Lando1preaction: just want to reiterate what a bloody genius you are.04:34
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7587 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: Better info for Assets that require commit before adding children. Add link is07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: always availiable now, an error message is displayed if you try to post a child07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: to an uncommitted parent. Additionally a new method was added to07:46
CIA-39WebGUI: AssetVersionion.pm to determine whether or not an asset has been committed.07:46
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wgGuest41hello12:19
wgGuest41when I do /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.3-7.4.4.pl --configFile=website.conf12:20
wgGuest41it says Cannot read config file: ../../etc/website.conf at WebGUI/Session.pm line 39412:21
Radix__hi12:34
Radix__You shouldn't be running the individual upgrade scripts directly12:35
wgGuest41oh I just solved that by modifing the upgrade.pl12:35
Radix__you should use the upgrade.pl12:35
wgGuest41I have a broken installation where upgrade.pl fails so I have to12:35
Radix__Oh.. wierd.. why did it break?12:35
wgGuest41do you know which table in mysql stores the webgui version?12:35
wgGuest41Because the version reported on the admin panel is 7.4.14 but the one stored in the db is 7.4.312:36
Radix__if the upgrade failed then I'd roll back to previous backup and try again12:36
wgGuest41and it failed one year ago so I can't revert from backup12:36
Radix__ahh.. I see12:36
wgGuest41now I want to upgrade to 7.4.40 so I have to go manually right trough 7.4.1412:37
wgGuest41and then I hope the upgrade script will work12:37
Radix__Well wish I could help - but all I can say is.. good luck! :)12:37
wgGuest41I just run the 7.4.3-7.4.4 script and it run without output.. Now I wanted to check if the db says that I'm at 7.4.412:37
wgGuest41you know which table it is?12:38
Radix__I don't, sorry12:38
wgGuest41ok12:38
wgGuest41oh found out in the history :) I'ts webguiVersion12:39
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slickwar2woo! did the managed host servers get updated to the new version?16:01
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SDuensinMorning.16:28
BartJolmorning16:29
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elninogood morning!!! What is the default connection time period for a sql report to an outside database? I didn't set anything in my connection string (don't know if I can?)17:40
@perlmonkey2elnino: are your reports timing out?17:44
@perlmonkey2because if you don't have 'mysql_connect_timeout' in your dsn, then I'm pretty sure the timeout will be on the server's end.17:46
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elninono.  we are running out of sockets and it appears that webgui is keeping the connection open a little too long.17:46
elninothis is what I'm told, I have no idea what I"m talking about. other than we are running out of sockets. =)17:47
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@rizenr u using the WRE?17:47
elninonot this particular install17:48
@rizenthen the problem is likely that mysql is not configured properly for webgui17:48
elninofair enough. =) I just went with defaults.17:48
@perlmonkey2if it was set to reuse sockets, then they might not get closed quickly after the mysql connection ends.17:48
@rizensee here: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf17:49
elninoI've been given a new server (fedora instead of suse) that I'm supposed to use now, and I"ll be using wre on that.17:49
@perlmonkey2or if it is set to not reuse sockets it may be opening way too many when a few woudl suffice.17:49
@rizenmax_connections=100017:49
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@perlmonkey2fedora as a server?  this isn't production is it?17:50
@perlmonkey2a fedora release is only supported for what, one year?17:50
elninofedora will be production. Is there a concern?  It was my network guys's call. I'm liking debian now. but he wanted to "standardize" and he choose that.17:51
elninohe likes the auto upgrade feature or other on fedora17:51
elninohe's already converted 4 or 5 servers, so I don't think he'll change at this point.17:52
@perlmonkey2elnino: if you use the WRE or only RPM's for Perl, then it might be safe.  But if you are building your required perl modules from CPAN, there is potential for serious problems during upgrades17:53
@perlmonkey2As soon as you go non-vanilla the Fedora upgrades become questionable.17:53
@perlmonkey2and Fedora doesn't have all the RPM's you need to install the required perl modules.17:53
elninoI currently use cpan on the suse machine, but on the fedora I"ll be using wres.17:54
@perlmonkey2then you should be safe.17:54
@perlmonkey2and with fedora you get new kernels which usually means a significant speed boost.17:54
@perlmonkey2over say RH or something.17:54
elninoI think that's why he likes it. - auto new kernels. which scares me17:54
@perlmonkey2I've only had that kill an install once :P17:55
@perlmonkey2and if I would have just waited a few days to update the machine the bad kernel package would have been removed.17:55
@perlmonkey2Since then I don't install updates that haven't been out for at least a week.17:55
@perlmonkey2actually that didn't kill the install, as the old kernel was still available.17:56
elninooh thanks. =)17:56
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elninoso... what line determines if sockets are reused, is it the fact that there is a limit imposed?17:57
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slickwar2I can never find this... can someone remind me where the content-manager's settings are for the mce-editor?18:02
@preactionslickwar2, do a search in the asset manager for all assets of type "WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit"18:04
@preactionelnino, KeepAlive i believe18:05
@preactionthe default should be good though. too much and the connection sits idle too long. too little and the browser must reconnect often, causing more performance hits18:05
slickwar2ah, I tried searching "all" for "edit" and found nothing18:05
slickwar2found it - but you can't search for "all", you have to put something in the search box or it just refuses to search18:06
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@perlmonkey2elnino: the problem is that your sqlreports are creating too many connections to the mysql  server right?   So the problem would be way down in the stack at your OS's tcp/ip settings I would guess.18:08
elninowell, that what I'm being told. it's to an external maxdb and mssqlserver18:09
@perlmonkey2elnino: How often is your sqlreport hit?18:09
@perlmonkey2I wonder if DBD::Mysql has default settings on this.18:10
elnino.. looking at the stats.18:11
@preactionperhaps up the caching on the sqlreport?18:12
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elninowell. it's not just the sql report - I have about 20 of them - I can up the caching on those. but there is also groups that pull data from this source.18:17
elninoI believe that would be the problem there,  I was using sql reports as a simple example. =)18:17
elninooh and then there are tons of macros.18:20
elninoI forgot oabout those.18:20
elninoWhen I wrote the macors I used the dsn defined in webgui.18:21
* SDuensin is gonna brave upgrading some oooooooooold installs.18:21
@perlmonkey2Anyone got the new Star Wars game?18:31
@preactionThe Force Unleashed is out?18:32
SDuensinYea, it's out.18:33
SDuensinAnd, no, I don't have it.18:33
ckotili have the demo18:35
ckotilits fun18:35
@preactioni could buy the wii version, but i don't think the wii is powerful enough to do it justice... i'll wait for the computer version (if one gets released)18:35
ckotilit looks sweet on 36018:35
ckotilw/ the wii , they didnt use the wiimote to control the light saber. which is a big let down18:36
@preactionyeah, now there's no way to convince me to get it for the wii :(18:36
SDuensinThe Wiimote isn't set up for that.  Yet.18:37
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ckotilthey did it w/ that ninja game which was a launch title18:37
@perlmonkey2preaction: the graphics on the wii are not as demanding, and you get to use the controllers as a lightsaber.  18:37
SDuensinYep.  And it sucked.  :-)18:37
ckotilperlmonkey2: they did away w/ the wiimote to control the lightsaber18:38
@perlmonkey2ckotil: gamespot gave it a 7.5 which usually means a 5.5 plus two points of EA money.18:38
ckotili heard it gets boring quick18:38
SDuensinperlmonkey2 - hehehe18:38
ckotilill pry wait to get it used18:38
ckotilim playing mercenaries2 now, which is still holding my attention18:38
@perlmonkey2yeah, Star Wars are must have's, but I'm not paying full price for something that got a marginal score.18:38
slickwar2hey jamie if you are in here - I will call you in a bit, I just stepped into a meeting18:40
nubawell.. theres always isohunt .. alt.bin*..  as alternate ways to the source.18:42
* SDuensin personally thinks George Lucas and Company went off the rails after the 80s.18:43
nubahey, wasnt it lucasarts with a bunch of nice adventure games in the 80s-90s?18:44
nubathe fabulous LucasArts SCUMM engine18:44
SDuensinYep.  And where are they now?  Why haven't they done another X-Wing or Tie game?  Or anything else anyone liked?18:44
SDuensinYea.  SCUMM rocks.18:45
nubaever read about how the handled the music transitions? thats clever stuff even some game engines arent doing today.18:45
nubathey handled*18:46
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SDuensinBeen awhile since I read up on SCUMM, but yea.  Very clever stuff.18:46
* SDuensin is a huge IF fan.18:46
nubawell, SCUMM was the best of breed by its time, state of art, but we can just agree to disagree if you want. 18:47
nubaim a IF and adventure game junkie as well18:47
SDuensinDisagree?  On what?  SCUMM rocks!18:47
SDuensinAnd speaking of SCUMM...  Where the hell is the iPhone version?!  I have Frotz!  I want more!18:48
nubaalso, if your not aware, and want more contemporary IF stuff, theres plenty being produced by indie game developers18:48
SDuensinYep.  I follow it.18:48
nubacool.18:49
nubastill i think the best I've ever played was "a mind forever voyaging" by infocom18:50
nubavery old, but caused a lasting impression18:50
nubaplayed it a few months ago18:50
nubatheres Baroque for PS2 thats touted as being into the Interactive Fiction genre18:51
SDuensinYea.  I have Indigo Prophecy here yet to be played.18:52
nubaIve heard about it too, will try to find it too18:54
SDuensinIt's on Steam.  I have an old Xbox copy.18:54
nubawould you know of any other PS2 games who may somewhat fall in that genre?18:54
SDuensinSupposed to be really good.18:54
SDuensinWas Syberia ever on PS2?18:54
SDuensinYea, it was.18:55
nubayou dont mean Cyberia, cyberpunk game, from mid-90s, right?18:55
SDuensinhttp://www.mobygames.com/game/ps2/syberia18:55
nubainteresting18:57
SDuensinIt's a very traditional Sierra/Lucas style game.18:57
SDuensinLooks like the sequel made it to PS2, too.18:58
nubaive read somewhere that the adventure genre is still alive and well in europe18:58
SDuensinIt seems to be, based on all the imports.  Unfortunately, a lot of them are crap.  :-(18:59
@perlmonkey2For Thingy reporting, you are basically on your own with SQLReports, right?18:59
* SDuensin really needs to play with his Thingy and figure it out.19:00
@Haargyes pm219:00
@Haargit's certainly not a friendly process at this point19:00
SDuensinnuba - Ever play any of this guy's stuff?   http://adamcadre.ac/if.html   It's good.19:01
SDuensinnuba - Give "Shrapnel" and "9:05" a run.  You can play 'em both in like 30 minutes.  Very short.19:01
SDuensinnuba - Shrapnel needs a decent Z-Machine.  It somewhat abuses it.  :-)19:03
SDuensinNow that I think about it, WebGUI needs a Z-Machine.  :-P19:05
nubayeah i played interstate zero - even downloaded meatloaf's music to serve as soundtrack while playing19:06
nubaas recommended by the author, album was jailbait from hell or something like that19:06
SDuensinhehe19:07
nubawill check these two out and let you know19:07
SDuensinHey nuba, pop on irc.mibbit.com in #VideoGamesShow and message my zBot.  You'll like him.19:07
nubadownloading now, will play later tho, lunch time here and work on my plate after im back...19:07
SDuensinzBot has a couple minor bugs, but it works great.  :-)19:08
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@perlmonkey2Anyone see a problem with me adding 'dateCreated' and 'lastUpdated' to the field_loop template param for the view of Things?19:14
+perlDreamerNo19:15
@perlmonkey2Strange, just calling WebGUI::DateTime->new(); in Thingy causes a silent failure.19:22
+perlDreamersession object?19:24
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Am I a good guesser?19:56
@perlmonkey2heh, indeed19:56
+perlDreamerWith all the RFEing yesterday, only 1 test broke.19:57
+perlDreamerNot bad at all19:57
SDuensinWow.  That's good.19:57
slickwar2wow guys, wow... I am finally using the new version on the reseller site... amazing19:58
+perlDreamerslickwar2: Do you mean 7.5?19:58
slickwar2I don't know, whatever is on the reseller host19:58
slickwar2it was recently updated though - within a few weeks19:59
+perlDreamerAdmin Console -> Statistics will tell you what you're using today.19:59
* SDuensin is scared. He's gonna jump from 7.4.11 to 7.5.22. If it ever finishes backing up, that is.20:00
+perlDreamerSDuensin: upgrade to 7.4.40 first20:00
+perlDreamerthen up to 7.5.2220:00
+perlDreamershould go smoothly20:00
SDuensinWhy the stop in the middle?20:01
+perlDreamerThat's just the upgrade path20:03
+perlDreamerCan't go from any point to any point20:03
SDuensinThat's odd.  Why not just make the upgraded continue on after it does it to 7.4.40?20:04
+perlDreamerI'm guessing schema changes20:04
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+perlDreamerThe code expects certain db fields20:04
+perlDreamerbut they aren't there yet, since they're in a higher release20:04
+perlDreamerhigher release  upgrade script20:04
+perlDreamerWe've been talking about trying to consolidate db changes into a different script that always gets run first20:06
+perlDreamerbut that's about as far as we've gone down that path20:06
SDuensinhehe20:07
SDuensinStill over an hour before I can even attempt it.  <sigh>  Networks are too slow!20:07
+perlDreamerOne other thing to share20:08
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+perlDreamerBe very careful to check all log files and output after each upgrade20:08
SDuensinOh hell yea.  I know that.  :-)20:08
+perlDreamerwe had a guy in here who had a broken install of WebGUI due to a problem during the 7.4.3 upgrade20:08
SDuensinI've screwed this up before.  :-D20:09
+perlDreamerand that was a year ago20:09
+perlDreamerso now he wants to upgrade, and finds that he can't20:09
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@Haargluckily those problems shouldn't happen anymore20:19
@Haargsince a failed upgrade won't update the webguiVersions table20:19
SDuensinHey, if it can be broken, I can do it.  :-)20:19
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SquOnkHi everyone21:28
@preactionhi hi21:29
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SquOnkUpdated 7.5.22 Debian package at the usual place21:31
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@perlmonkey2How could autoRequestCommit be 0 in the settings table and WG still not be asking for a commit?22:10
@preactionperlmonkey2, you mean "1"?22:15
@perlmonkey2never mind, it is working as it should22:19
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@Lando1If someone is getting a JSON can't find method 'autoconv' error when upgrading, it means they've updated to the latest version of JSON and Config::JSON before the upgrade, and the 7.4.40 version requires older version of JSON and Config::JSON?22:58
@Haargno23:07
@Haargthe json switch happened in 7.4.21 iirc23:07
@Haargyou can upgrade straight from 7.4.0 to 7.4.40 with the new json23:07
@Lando1hmm, got a support issue with that exception on a 7.4.40->7.5.21 upgrade23:08
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metanilthe description method take two parameter $self and $value.. but when it is called from operation::group .. only $value is passing... how does it determine $self itself??00:42
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@Haargdescription method?00:46
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@Haargi should probably modify the syntax checker to force warnings on00:53
@Haargcaught two problems last night when i was messing with the preloader that were spitting out warnings at compile time00:54
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metanilHaarg: Group->description()01:25
+perlDreamermetanil: $group->description();01:27
+perlDreamerperl pushes the object into the arguments to the subroutine automatically01:27
@Haargwith method calls, the object is always the first parameter send to the sub01:27
@Haargso $group->description is somewhat like WebGUI::Group::description($group)01:27
@HaargperlDreamer, do you know who would be using single quotes in macro calls?01:28
@Haargi saw several uses in the product macro that were like ^International('key','namespace');01:28
+perlDreamerproduct template01:30
+perlDreamerthat might have been me01:30
@Haargyeah, sorry01:30
+perlDreameraren't the two interchangable in a macro call?01:31
@Haargnope01:31
@Haargi could add support for single quotes in the new parser01:31
@Haargbut it doesn't and didn't with the old one either01:31
@Haargit works with the i18n macro due to a quirk01:31
@Haargi18n calls strip out invalid characters01:31
+perlDreamerright01:31
+perlDreamerwell...01:32
+perlDreamerHow about if I change them, since I put them in incorrectly?01:32
@Haargin the product template?  would probably be a good idea01:32
+perlDreamerI doubt that's the only place I did that01:32
@Haargthe other option is that i could add single quote support01:33
+perlDreamerwith templateFiler.pl it will be easy01:33
+perlDreamerand I'll change the template International test to check for single quotes to detect which ones need to be fixed01:33
@Haargcool, sounds good01:33
@Haargthe i18n system should probably be changed to reject those requests instead of silently filtering them, but that could be considered an api break01:35
@Haargwell, there's no real need to filter the key at all01:35
+perlDreamerdon't hash keys interpolate?01:35
@Haarginterpolate how?01:35
+perlDreamerlike a double quoted string01:36
@Haargno01:36
@Haarghash keys are just scalars01:36
@Haargonly thing that will ever be different on a value going into and out of a hash key is that refs get destroyed01:36
+perlDreamerMacro question.  When is the quote needed?01:38
@Haargto include commas01:38
+perlDreamerThere are 369 uses of the International macro in all templates01:38
+perlDreamerI don't think any of them use commas as i18n keys01:38
@Haargdon't think so01:39
+perlDreamersince comma isn't a legal key character, right?01:39
+perlDreamerthat means that _all_ quotes can be stripped out01:39
@Haargboth those things are true01:39
+perlDreamerNeed some bash help01:40
+perlDreamerack -a -- 'International\(["\']' *.tmpl01:40
+perlDreamerI want that to work01:40
@preactionwhy not perl?01:40
+perlDreamerack == perl?01:40
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@Haargi don't know how to escape single quotes in single quotes01:40
@preactionbut perl has q() and q{}01:41
+perlDreamerpreaction, I could build a custom script to do it, but it's much faster on the command line01:41
+perlDreamerwhich requires working with quotes01:41
@Haargack -a -- "International\([\"']" *.tmpl possibly01:41
+perlDreamerack -a -- 'International\(\W' *.tmpl01:43
+perlDreamer27 templates01:43
@Haargah, i forgot to double escape the first \01:43
@Haargescape it rather01:43
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miloidrrHi perlDreamer01:46
+perlDreamerhi miloidrr01:46
+perlDreamerHaarg: templates unquoted.  I'll run the template i18n scanner test and then check them back in01:59
@Haargcool, thanks01:59
+perlDreamerby the way, is Macro built so that you can use the parser parts indpendently?01:59
@Haargwhich parts?01:59
+perlDreamerThe parser parts01:59
+perlDreamerI have a hacked up parser in t/i18n/template.t02:00
+perlDreamerbut having the real macro parser would be nice02:00
@Haargjust a sec02:00
miloidrrPerlDreamer, I have a question about the article02:00
+perlDreamerPlease ask away, miloidrr02:00
miloidrrCan i put the <tmpl_var views> in the article template02:02
+perlDreamerwhat is views?02:02
miloidrr<tmpl_var views> is a variable template of the cs02:03
miloidrrTo see the views of the post02:03
+perlDreamerNo.  Each asset has its own set of variables.  Article does not have a views.02:03
miloidrrCan i put this in the article template?02:03
@Haargone thing that comes to mind perlDreamer02:04
@Haargis to make your own i18n macro02:04
@Haargand stick it into the config file in place of the existing i18n02:04
+perlDreamerwith the same name02:04
@Haargsame macro name yeah02:04
@Haargdifferent package02:05
+perlDreamerI like that idea02:05
@Haargthen you get the parameters directly from the macro parser02:05
miloidrrLEt me try02:05
@Haargi made a bunch of silly little macros for the tests i added02:05
miloidrrit dont work02:06
@preactionmiloidrr, because <tmpl_var views> is not available to Articles02:06
+perlDreamermiloidrr, if you want to keep track of views to an Article, I would suggest using Content Profiling.02:06
@preactionits only available to Post02:06
+perlDreamerLook up this topic in the wiki02:06
miloidrrOki Tks02:06
xdangeris there any plans for timed content? (Like the old startDate endDate thing?)02:07
xdangerI talked about it with rizen sometime ago...02:07
+perlDreamerxdanger, that was brought back and works now.02:07
xdangeryey02:07
xdangerin 7.5?02:07
@Haargstart date works well with 7.502:07
+perlDreamerhow about end date?02:07
xdangerand endDate?02:07
@Haargend date takes some setup but still can be done02:07
@Haargand it's much better than it was in 7.402:07
xdangerdoes it delete it or move it somewhere? like an archive kind of function..02:08
@preactionxdanger, you can have it trashed or purged02:08
xdangernot archived?02:08
+perlDreamerHaarg: Templates committed.02:08
@Haargnot currently xdanger02:08
@Haargthat would be very simple to add though02:08
xdangerwell, I think that wouldn't be much of an hack if everything else is in place =)02:09
@Haargfor a programmer that is02:09
xdangernice... No we can make an bid to redo tne Finnish national operas webpages ;)02:09
xdangerevery finnish public bid has requirements for timed publishing..02:09
xdangeralmost02:09
+perlDreamerxdanger: Do you work on the Finnish translation of WebGUI?02:10
xdangerlittle... Our translation was but in the webgui translation02:11
xdangerbut haven't been keeping it up to date recently02:11
+perlDreamerTranslating is hard work02:13
xdangeryea... I like my "IT" in english...02:13
xdangerIt harder for me to understand computer-stuff in finnish =)02:14
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@Lando1ugh, mowed 2 acres, caulked all the windows and doubled the insulation on the return pipes from the air conditioner.  I need a break from life, so I'm back to work :P04:41
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patspamdumb question: what's the recommended way to display content based on whether a user is logged in or not in a template?05:48
patspamshort of writing my own macro?05:49
patspamI would have thought there'd be a gloabl user.isLoggedIn template var or something05:49
@preactionuse the grouptext macro05:58
@preaction^GroupText("Registered Users","Logged in","Not Logged In");05:58
patspamdamnit, i just finished writing my macro!06:00
patspam=p06:00
@preactionyour macro probably better, especially if you don't pass the content as an argument06:02
patspamhow else can i pass it?06:03
@preactiondunno, i thought the macro would generate the content itself06:03
@preactionpassing content into macros is difficult if the content has a comma in it06:04
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patspamah ok, yeah i could hardcode it i guess, but i'd rather have something re-usable06:05
patspamthat's great actually, factored out nicely into a combination of ^GroupText() and my ^TextOrLoginBox() which delegates to ^L() if they're not logged in06:11
patspamcheers doug, once again!06:13
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elninohello! is there a way to set the admin menu to be "closed" by default? right it always opens "new content"06:14
@preactionnot that i know of. it might be with some javascript06:19
elninook.  06:19
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7619 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.0/ (27 files): remove quotes from International macros in templates. Single quotes only worked by accident before. Double quotes are only needed when the key contains a comma06:23
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7620 /wrebuild/wre/ (docs/changelog.txt lib/WRE/Site.pm): Sitename can no longer contain spaces06:23
patspampreaction: I was actually planning on deleting that LoggedInTime RFE06:38
patspamit was so long ago that I'd forgotten it was still lying around06:38
patspamI think it'd be better to do it via User Profiling since that already collects the information you need06:39
@preactionerm... great06:41
@preactiontechnically not too late to remove it i guess, but it does work06:41
@preactionplus, how does user profiling do it? i don't think it keeps track of how long a user was logged in06:42
patspamyeah sorry, i felt really bad when i say you'd implemented it06:55
patspamI just seem to remember that it wasn't as great a solution as i originally thought it was.. not sure if i ended up using it06:56
patspamwhich is why i never committed it06:56
patspammight be still worthwhile.. people would have to turn on User Profiling to be able to use it, which would be overkill if all you wanted was current LoggedInTime06:57
patspamanyway, I'm off for lunch (stomach is growling), will think about it some more!06:57
patspam(and apologies again!)06:57
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@tavistoHey gang, WebGUI has a nice plug on the www.cmsreport.com home page right now. 08:46
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patspamtavisto: great job man, I've added a comment to the site10:04
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BartJolpatspam, thanks for your comments!11:27
patspamBartJol: no worries at all :)11:28
BartJolI'' be working on it later today11:29
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@perlmonkey2Okay, I've been searching for 5 minutes and can't find the login request link on PB's site.  ANyone know where it's at?16:47
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BartJollogin request?16:49
BartJolthe one on the top  of the page16:50
BartJol?16:50
@rizensupport > login request16:50
@rizenit's on the left nav at the bottom16:50
@perlmonkey2I must not have permissions to see it as https://www.plainblack.com/support/ on the let nav only shows 'online support', 'support calendar' and 'FAQ'16:52
@perlmonkey2I'm trying to guess the login url, but not having much luck16:53
SDuensinGreetings.16:54
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@perlmonkey2rizen: ?16:54
@perlmonkey2hello SDuensin16:54
@rizenhold your horsefeathers together16:55
@perlmonkey2:D16:55
@rizencan you see it now16:55
@perlmonkey2rizen: yep, thanks16:56
+MrHairgreaseGeasings!16:57
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juani have an error in one of my sites17:53
juanthe error is the next17:53
juanhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m402e6a317:53
juanreally i don't know what is happening?17:54
juanthis problem is blocking my server17:55
+MrHairgreasesomething is wrong with your db17:55
+MrHairgreaseit seems to time ou17:55
+MrHairgreasecheck whether a) it's running at all17:56
+MrHairgreaseb) if the dsn is correct17:56
+MrHairgreasec) restarting mysql17:56
+MrHairgreaseif those thing won't help17:56
+MrHairgreasei dunno17:56
juanmysql is running without problems17:58
juanthe dsn is correct too17:59
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juani have restarted mysql 17:59
+MrHairgreaseif that doesn't help i'm not what's wroing17:59
knowma1good morning, any mysql pros up and about today? i need help with a WHERE clause18:00
+MrHairgreaseI'm really busy right now, so I wont have time to help out18:00
knowma1oh, MHG,  good evening to you sir18:00
knowma1MrHairgrease: np18:00
+MrHairgreaseknowma1: that was directed to juan18:00
+MrHairgreaseif your query is simple i'll have a look at it18:00
+MrHairgrease=)18:00
knowma1i'll catch you back18:00
knowma1here's the deal....18:00
BartJollet's hear..18:01
knowma1i have an sql-form asset with checkbox options stored into a varchar field18:01
knowma1if user select 2 options, they are inserted into the field as comma delimited like such -- 'University Park, Southpark'18:01
knowma1i need to take a form parameter via a SQL Search asset adn do a match to see if the string occurs in the field18:02
knowma1i'll get something like 'Southpark'. my WHERE statement will need to see if the location field contains the string. i'm thinking regex but haven't used them much in mysql 18:02
BartJolisn't that the "like" clause?18:03
BartJolI'm no pro btw18:03
+MrHairgreaseprolly you'll want to do something with regex matching18:04
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+MrHairgreasei think it's something like WHERE foo REGEXP( regex)18:04
+MrHairgreaseor18:05
knowma1BartJol: now that i just wrote that out i'm thinking a like might work as well; thanks for listending; i'll do some tests and report back 18:05
+MrHairgreaseif mysql has a split command18:05
knowma1we need a wiki entry about doing this18:05
+MrHairgreaseyou could do18:05
knowma1MrHairgrease: YES!!!18:05
knowma1i don't know why they can't add that function18:05
+MrHairgreaseWHERE foo IN (select split(',', myField) )18:05
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+MrHairgreaseknowmad18:07
+MrHairgreaseuse this: FIND_IN_SET(str,strlist)18:07
+MrHairgreasehttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/string-functions.html#function_find-in-set18:07
+MrHairgreaseoh18:08
+MrHairgreasethat may not work18:08
+MrHairgreasewell you'll have to try18:08
knowma1oiy, it gets worse. the values being stored in the varchar field are actually id's that relate to another table18:09
knowma1without a split function i don't think there's anyway to do this using subselects 18:10
+MrHairgreaseif it is it won't be pretty18:10
knowma1wait, i could pass in the area id instead of the area name to my sql search query18:10
+MrHairgreaseyou prolly need some serverside code to do this18:11
+MrHairgreaseok18:11
+MrHairgreasegood luck18:11
knowma1yes! that worked.18:11
knowma1thanks for the assist guys, i'll document it in the wiki18:11
+MrHairgreaseok18:12
+MrHairgreasegood!18:12
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+perlDreamerIt's real quiet today.  Is everyone still recovering from RFE Day #1?22:53
@preactionin a manner of speaking22:54
+perlDreamerway behind?22:55
+perlDreamerOr, afraid to talk in case Lando1 turns you over to Darth Vader22:55
@Lando1That's Mr. Calrissian to you.22:56
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+MrHairgreaseman22:56
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+MrHairgreasethat nick is still free?22:57
@Lando1preaction: 7624 on the 7.5 branch?22:57
+MrHairgreaseit's a strange world22:57
@preactionLando1, what about it?22:57
@Lando1that the one to test/build?22:57
@preactionoh, you're doing the release?22:57
@Lando1If I can run cloud city, I can do a WG release dude.22:58
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@preactionLando1, following the instructions on the staff wiki perhaps?22:58
@perlmonkey2yep22:58
@preactionthen yes, the latest revision on the 7.5 branch22:58
@preactionanyone here know why spectre.pl redirects STDERR and STDOUT to /dev/null?22:59
+MrHairgreasethat's because spectre cannot fail22:59
+MrHairgreaseand thus doen't need stderr22:59
@preactionyou lie! it might not be able to open the log files23:00
+MrHairgreasedude23:00
+MrHairgreasespectre can open anything it wants to23:00
+MrHairgreaseif it doesn't open alog file23:00
+MrHairgreaseit doesn't really want to23:01
@perlmonkey2When spectre does a push-up the Earth moves away from it.  23:01
+MrHairgreasethat's right23:01
@perlmonkey2Spectre never has to go to the bathroom, why?  Because nothing escapes Spectre.23:01
+MrHairgreaseexcept23:01
+MrHairgreasespecter can do it without hands23:01
+perlDreamerSpectre can make the sound of one hand clapping23:02
@perlmonkey2Spectre burns fire, hammers hammers, and nails nails.23:02
+perlDreamerSpectre once thought it was wrong23:02
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7621 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Mail/Send.pm Inbox/Message.pm): clean up sent messages some23:02
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7622 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm): added variant id template variable to product variant loop23:02
+perlDreamerbut it wasn't23:02
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7623 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (9 files in 5 dirs): make sure we are using var->isAdminOn instead of var->get('adminOn')23:03
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7624 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm): fixed: Folders are cached by the client too long for visitors23:03
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7625 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (Search.pm Help/Asset_Survey.pm): fix a couple minor syntax issues23:03
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7626 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm): added variant id template variable to product variant loop23:03
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7627 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Mailed inbox messages don't indicate who sent the message23:03
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+perlDreamerHold maniacal merging, Graham-man23:03
+perlDreamersomehow those Batman-esque quotes only work well when they start with "Holy".23:04
@perlmonkey2yeah, 'Hold' just doesn't work as well.23:05
@perlmonkey2Unless you are Spectre23:05
SDuensinHoly Win32 Crap!  I wish IIS worked!23:05
@preactionwould it be a good RFE to add a global flag for "Redirect to parent", so that all request to the asset's www_view method instead redirects to the parent's www_view method?23:05
@perlmonkey2How often are there assets that we don't want viewed?23:06
@preactionnot viewed per se, just viewed within the page's context23:06
@preactionand often23:06
@preactiononce a person clicks "Next Page" in a Collab, Calendar, Photo Gallery, SQLReport, ... what have you23:07
@preactionthey go to the Asset, not the Page Layout they were on23:07
@preactionpeople don't seem to like that much23:07
@perlmonkey2Haarg: will you let me know when you are ready?23:07
@perlmonkey2preaction: yeah, that makes sense then.23:07
@Haargready now afaik23:08
@perlmonkey2That annoys me also.23:08
@perlmonkey2sweet23:08
@preactionthe problem is when it's not www_view we're looking at, but www_search or something. THOSE we can't fix23:08
@perlmonkey2sweet jumping new releases, let's get this party started.  All hands prepare to test codebase, moving to defcon 323:08
@preactionunless we made Layout something entirely different23:08
@preaction... somehow made a way to call a Layout and specify an assetId and the content to insert for that assetId (instead of the normal content)...23:11
@preactionhumph... sounds hacky23:11
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: be sure to run the i18n label scanner23:12
+perlDreamerlots of new labels on Tuesday23:12
+MrHairgreasepreaction: that will be almost impossible23:12
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I have never heard of this label scanner.23:12
@perlmonkey2in sbin?23:12
+MrHairgreasesince even if you manage to tdo that somehow23:12
@preactionMrHairgrease, how do you figure? we'd have to refactor Layout a bit, sure, and it needs it, but it seems... plausible23:12
+perlDreamert/i18n/critic_labels.t23:12
@preactionperlmonkey2, run the tests with CODE_COP=1 in your environment23:13
+MrHairgreaseshow the container asset, the func will be called upon all assets23:13
@preactioni think that's part of the wiki procedure23:13
+MrHairgreasein the layout23:13
+perlDreamerthey take a _long_ time to run23:13
@preactionMrHairgrease, no, the Layout explicitly calls $asset->view; but yes, the form parameters would get passed to all those assets and bad things would probably happen23:13
@preactionhell...23:13
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yes, I got to fly wingman on last week's release.  It takes a while.23:14
+MrHairgreasei know it does that, but you were going to rig it to allow for other method calls right =)23:14
* perlDreamer thinks we need form var uniqification before we can safely do func embedding23:15
@preactionno, i was going to say something like $layout->compose( "assetId" => "content" ); and it would compose the layout, replacing any content i wanted and then returning the result23:16
@preactioni think we should allow form vars to be written or deleted, but that's beating a long-dead horse23:16
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+MrHairgreasepreaction: i see23:17
+MrHairgreasegood luck with that =)23:17
@preactionyeah... sounds a rather large project, but lots of people seem to want it23:19
+MrHairgreaseif you can pull it off, i'll give you some karma23:20
+MrHairgrease=)23:20
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CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7629 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Shop.pm: Update from translation server23:53
+perlDreamerSpanish translation is close to hitting the 50% mark23:56
+perlDreamer47.8%23:56
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@tavistoawesome!00:02
@tavistohola como estas perlDreamer?00:03
+perlDreamerTengo cansado00:03
@tavistoI mañana apesadumbrado que usted es cansado. ¿Cualquier persona  en aquí habla español?00:04
@perlmonkey2I think these i18n tests must make the coverage tests last 7 days.00:04
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I wouldn't do both at the same time.00:05
+perlDreamerYo creo que tavisto habla Google translate.00:06
@tavistonah.. i have a mac.. dashboard punk!00:06
@tavistoPerlmonkey2 es un bolso de la suciedad00:06
@perlmonkey2tavisto: that's not very nice.00:07
@tavistomuwhaha!00:07
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+MrHairgreasewhat is a bolso?00:09
@tavistoit's dutch for zebra giraffe animal00:10
+MrHairgreaseoh it means tavisto's mama?00:10
@tavistoactually I think it means a dead dutchman00:11
+MrHairgreasei see...00:11
@perlmonkey2tavisto es un tirón cara00:12
@tavistoMrHairgrease, I'm surprised you are on IRC right now.. Isn't your imaginary girlfriend going to be upset with you neglecting her?00:12
@tavisto:)00:12
+MrHairgreasewell she's sleeping right now00:12
+MrHairgreaseand i'm finishing up some stuff I'll have to show arjan tomorrow00:13
+MrHairgreaseand it's only 23.13 over here00:13
@tavistooh that's early00:13
+MrHairgreasei wouldn't call it early, but it sure isn't bed time yet00:14
@perlmonkey2uhg, I shouldn't have enabled the i18n tests.  22 subtests failed.00:26
+perlDreamerSeveral of them are due to holes in the test00:30
+perlDreamerPlease paste the output and I can tell you which, if any, are real00:30
@perlmonkey2http://pastebin.com/d55f2cd1200:33
+perlDreamerI thought you said 22 i18n tests failed00:34
+perlDreamerthe Whitespace tests are real00:34
@perlmonkey2no, I said I shouoldn't have done the i18n tests.00:34
+perlDreamerWorkflow is worth looking at, as is Workflow/Instance.t00:35
+perlDreamert/Spectre only works in special circumstances, like using the WRE00:35
+perlDreamerI can't run that test, so I don't know what's wrong with it00:35
@perlmonkey2preaction: err, looks like the wiki release guide is way out of date.00:36
@perlmonkey2I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do this.00:36
@preactionperlmonkey2, i can't help you then, only Haarg could help you00:36
@perlmonkey2k00:37
@Haargperlmonkey2, run the tests that failed in verbose mode00:37
@Haargor just directly with perl00:37
@perlmonkey2okahy00:38
@Haargyou can skip the spectre and whitespace ones for now00:38
@HaargperlDreamer, i saw your change to fix singletin workflows being re-run00:38
@Haargi think we'll need to re-adjust that00:39
+perlDreamerReally?00:39
+perlDreamerWhy?00:39
@Haargneeds the canonical flag there and possibly somewhere else so we always get the right order of the keys00:39
@Haargotherwise it is random00:39
+perlDreamerpwd00:39
@perlmonkey2Whitespace.t failed on line 3100:40
@Haargi think i missed changing that somewhere else when i put that in there00:40
+perlDreamerWhitespace.t passes for me here00:40
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: What's the exact output?00:40
+perlDreamerIt will tell you what line of which file is violating POD spacing rules00:40
@Haargpasses here as well00:40
@perlmonkey2expected 0 got 2000:41
+perlDreamergood, now which file is it?00:41
+perlDreamer20 is the line that it found the error on00:41
@perlmonkey2Ibox/Message.pm00:41
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Are you working on HEAD and fully up to date?00:42
@perlmonkey2no, I'm working on 7.5 branch svn -R revert .; svn up00:42
+perlDreamerdo this:00:42
+perlDreamerfrom the top of branch00:42
+perlDreamersvn merge -c 7458 https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI00:43
+perlDreamerthen rerun the test and commit00:43
+perlDreamer(if it passes)00:43
@perlmonkey27458?  00:43
+perlDreamer745800:43
+perlDreamer------------------------------------------------------------------------00:43
+perlDreamerr7458 | colin | 2008-09-10 08:33:01 -0700 (Wed, 10 Sep 2008) | 1 line00:43
+perlDreamerfix POD spacing00:43
+perlDreamerI didn't backport that, and should have00:44
+perlDreamer-c is merge a specific change00:44
+perlDreamer-r is merge a set of differences00:44
@Haarghttp://webgui.pastebin.com/d470d8cc400:45
@Haargexcept with @@ at the beginning of the highlighted line00:45
+perlDreamerI understand00:45
+perlDreamerthat would explain the random failures00:46
+perlDreamerbut earlier, you mentioned something about the "canonical flag".  What's that?00:46
@Haargfor json encoding00:46
@Haargsorts by key name instead of being random00:47
@Haargso you can compare two data structure00:47
@Haargs00:47
+perlDreamerI remember that change.  create used canonical, but set didn't00:47
@Haargyeah00:47
+perlDreamerso I made them both not use it00:47
@Haargi think we need to use it on both ends00:48
+perlDreamerWant me to change it?00:48
@Haarginstead of pretty, which is pretty useless in this context00:48
@Haargsure00:48
+perlDreamercommitted as 7631 and 7630 in both branches00:50
+perlDreamerthat would explain the random failures in both tests, too00:51
@perlmonkey2I need a faster test machine......00:53
+perlDreamerMe, too00:54
+perlDreamerpreaction: What ever happened to the test server?00:54
@perlmonkey2Tought you were running a P60 or something?00:54
+perlDreamerP3 500 MHz00:54
@preactionperlDreamer, it won't boot last i knew. i haven't had time to play with it00:54
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@perlmonkey2Haarg: the wiki's release instructions are way out of date.  I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do this on my own.01:01
@perlmonkey2Not that the tests are done yet.01:01
@Haargi know01:01
@Haargi'll help you with it again01:01
@perlmonkey2okay, I'll see if I can update the wiki after this time also.01:01
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7630 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: encode parameter JSON with canonical so that it is consistent01:08
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7631 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: backport canonical JSON setting01:08
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doc777Hello friends. Is there something I am missing on the page title? The browser always shows the site title but never the page title... from what I have read, the page title is most of your search engine weight...01:13
@Haargthat's controlled by your style template01:13
doc777Ah, so it could get the info from the page instead of static?01:14
@Haargyeah01:14
doc777Aha! Thank you. Would you happen to know what var to call there?01:14
+MrHairgrease^Page('title');01:15
doc777Thank you!01:15
@HaargMrHairgrease, you can't use single quotes like that in macro calls01:20
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah01:21
+MrHairgreasei never use quotes anyway01:21
+MrHairgreasewhen i don't have that is01:21
+MrHairgreaseso ^Page(title);01:21
doc777Aha! thanks... it was not working. Its late ;)01:21
doc777Thank you all. Have a good evening!01:25
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+perlDreame1Haarg, why add variant_id to the list of variables?01:32
@Haargallows you to construct the select list manually if you wanted01:32
@Haargselect box rather01:32
+perlDreame1if www_buy was modified, it could be either01:32
@Haargalso allows you to eliminate the select list entirely if there is only one entry01:33
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carogray1anybody notice that now tincy mce editor is adding <p> tag to text in events for calendar?03:24
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@perlmonkey2patspam: probably too late for you, but all next week I'm on 100% survey.03:46
@perlmonkey2definitely should have something rough, but working, by sometime next week.03:46
patspamperlmonkey2: music to my ears :)03:47
@perlmonkey2too late for your project?03:47
patspamit's being delayed by a few weeks03:48
patspami haven't quite finished implementing the rest of the site either03:48
patspambut I'll definitely be using Survey2 as soon as it's out the door03:48
@perlmonkey2cool03:50
@rizenwebgui 7.6 releases start next tuesday03:51
@rizenyou heard it here first03:51
@rizenso if kaleb gets something working by the end of next week, you'll be able to upgrade to 7.6.1 the week after and have it03:51
patspamrizen: fantastic!03:51
@rizenkeep in mind it will be beta03:52
@rizen7.6 won't be labeled stable until the end of january03:52
patspamyeah that's fine, I'm going to hack on it too03:52
@perlmonkey2that is too cool03:52
@perlmonkey2I'll start working on the survey this weekend to see if I can make it.03:52
@rizenso kaleb, plan on having your branch merged into head by the end of thw eek03:52
@rizenweek03:52
@perlmonkey2aye aye captain.03:53
@rizeneven if it's not complete03:53
@rizenyou can always keep upgrading03:53
@rizenbut that means your data migration has to be complete next week03:53
@rizensurvey 1 => survey 203:53
@perlmonkey2So data migration is a must.  Okay, once I have something functional for creating and taking a survye, I'll do the data migration, then I'll do the reports, packaging, versioning, etc.03:54
@rizenyep, it's a must03:54
@preactionsoon the test box will be back operational again! yay!03:58
@preactionalso, i hate hardware issues03:58
@perlmonkey2what was wrong with it?03:59
@preactioni think it's the mobo, but i'm not sure. i thought i had another socket 775 mobo to test everything with, but i didn't. so now i need some more heatsink goop before i can start testing04:00
@preactionbut i got the hard drive in another computer for now, and all my code's still good04:01
@preactionit was the TAP::Formatter::Template that I was worried about, it took a while to figure out how to make TAP output get formatted by Template Toolkit04:02
@perlmonkey2sounds painful04:04
@preactioneh, i just never got around to fixing it, or taking the 4+ computers' worth of spare parts into a working one04:05
@rizenif you can't get it working, let me know and we'll just buy another virtual server for it04:16
@perlmonkey2I've got a Q6600 with 4GB ram we could use.  I've only got a 1MB upstream though, but my daily bandwidth is basically ulimited.04:53
@perlmonkey2I mean 1mbit04:53
@perlmonkey21Mb would actually be useful.04:53
@preactionthat's still more than me, but i got this thing working now04:53
@preactionafter some help from #debian04:54
@preactionstupid RealTek NICs and apparently i don't have the right drivers for my other nic04:54
@preactionso i found one that works! yay!04:54
patspamperlmonkey2: how does she run? I've been speccing up similar PCs on dell for my next dev box04:54
@preactionand i found my other R&D project too04:54
@perlmonkey2ugh, that is why I keep some nameless ancient nic around that has always work with my *nix boxes.04:54
@perlmonkey2patspam: beautifully.04:55
@perlmonkey2patspam: I run folding@home.  I get more points from it than I got running it on 5 P965's at my old job.04:55
patspamhah nice04:55
@perlmonkey2And at ~$185 a proc, it is very reasonable for the performance.04:56
patspamI can't wait to switch from current laptop to proper desktop beast04:56
@perlmonkey2Also, my server only runs 100watts when all four cores pegged.04:56
patspamnice04:56
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elninoI'm looking at https://www.plainblack.com/shop/hosting/site - how much memory do these servers have?05:34
@preactionelnino, which ones?05:40
@preactionoh, those. it doesn't matter really, since there's no custom code allowed you just have the bare webgui05:40
@preactionso, enough to run all the sites on the box05:40
elninoso, 512? the system reqruiements on the wiki says 1G, but it seems that since webui provides mini servers with 512, the system requirements is probably more like 512.05:42
elninomini - https://www.plainblack.com/shop/hosting/virtual-private-servers05:42
@preactionthose are shared hosts, they host a few dozen sites each05:42
@preaction4G05:42
@preactionmake that 2G05:43
elninoyou're saying https://www.plainblack.com/shop/hosting/site have 2G?05:45
@preactionit's a shared hosting environment05:46
elninoor 2G total for the entire server?05:46
elninook. most shared hosting companies05:46
@preactionit's not a vps or otherwise divided in any way05:46
elninospecify allocations and peak and stuff.05:46
elninoso I wonder how many sites are on a server?05:46
@preactionas many as we can, depending on traffic05:47
elninoor is it one install of wre wth many sites? that would make sense.05:47
@preactionone WRE, many WebGUI sites05:47
elninook. that makes sense05:47
nubasounds like a beefy setup with plenty of vhosts05:47
elninois the agency shared as well?05:48
elninosorry, these questions are more for tavis I think. usually he's around around this time. 05:49
elninobut I appreciate you answering!05:49
@preactionagency hosting is one of those boxes given to one company / person / agency05:49
elninoso "shared" within one company. =)05:51
@preactionthe idea being, yeah, that the one company then resells space on that box05:52
elninoand the agency hosting - I can't do custom code or install (gasp) non-webgui applicatoins. right?05:57
@preactionthat i don't know. agency hosting is given over to a single entity, so maybe05:57
elninothat how it seems to read...   hmm. interesting... This client has tons of sites. I think she wants to eventually port over...05:58
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@rizenagency hosting is the same as shared hosting06:08
@rizenexcept you get a discounted rate06:08
@rizenfor having lots of sites06:08
@rizenno custom code06:08
@rizenthe minivps that you were looking at with 512 mb of ram is good for a small site with some custom code 06:09
@rizenit won't hack a lot of traffic06:09
@rizenbut it works great for someone that needs custom code in a small environment06:09
@rizenany other questions elnino06:12
@rizeni'm getting ready to get away from the computer for the night06:13
elninothat's the info I needed. Thanks!06:13
elninoGood nite rizen.06:13
@rizennite06:14
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elninohmmm.  if the requirement for one install of wre and one small site is 512, how much more does adding another site of same size/traffic configuration require?  I suspect it doesn't mean 512 per site.. Or does it?06:23
@Haargmultiple sites don't make a particularly big difference, traffic is the important part06:24
elninothat's what I thougt. Thanks!06:26
@perlmonkey2When I was looking for contracts on my own, one thing I noticed is a lot of people willing to pay real money for sites, wanted tons of storage.  They would see those $30 hosters giving 20GB of disk and refuse anything less.  We know that is a scam, with TOS's and slow connections making most of that disk worthless.  But I wonder if there was a way to use Amazon's S3 to expand what WG could serve?06:28
@perlmonkey2authentication is the problem unless the an EC2 was network mounted to the WG machine.06:29
@Haargit would be nice if we could tie into S3 for hosting uploads06:30
@Haargwould solve a few problems.  managing permissions would be one of the trouble areas, but a lot of people don't have private uploads anyway.06:30
@perlmonkey2I have a really good book on Amazon's cloud services, but only skimmed the EC2 chapter.  I'll go through the S3 tonight and see if a solution presents.06:32
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@perlmonkey2We need a gatekeeper asset that would sign webservice requests from a user's java(script) client.06:49
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@perlmonkey2and that is how we could control authentication to all S3 requests.06:50
patspamWebGUI 7.4.23 (stable) codename: bugmonkey206:50
patspam.5 even06:50
+perlDreameris it broken?06:51
@perlmonkey2eh?06:51
patspamnah, was just giving props to kaleb for all the bug fixes06:51
@perlmonkey2something wrong with it?06:51
@perlmonkey2oh06:51
@perlmonkey2hah06:51
@perlmonkey2This week I've done more support than bugs.06:51
+perlDreamerIs working at PB like what you thought it would be?06:51
@perlmonkey2Well, support is like having a real job.06:52
@perlmonkey2But other than that, it is pretty much like I thought.  Laid back and doing fun interesting stuff.06:52
patspamthat's the correct answer06:52
@perlmonkey2heh06:52
+perlDreamerUwe Boll movies suck06:54
@perlmonkey2what are those?06:54
+perlDreamerHe's a director/producer06:54
@perlmonkey2Hah, his wiki page has a section on "Petition to retire"06:56
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@perlmonkey2Oh, he did the BloodRayne movies.  Yeah, he's really bad.06:57
patspamhah awesome, you know you've made it when your wiki page has a petition on it06:57
@perlmonkey2you know you've made it when you have a wiki page (that doesn't get removed).06:58
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@perlmonkey2so the has a client that can generate AWS requests, but needs them signed by an authority.  WG has an S3 asset that can act as an authority using WG auth to determine which requests to sign.  The client then takes its signed request and executes against S3.  Workable?07:01
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patspamhttp://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/perlmonkey207:05
patspamyou've made it man07:05
patspam(assuming it doesn't get removed) =p07:06
@perlmonkey2Wow, I'm a winner and people like me, dang it07:06
@perlmonkey2that's cool patspam07:06
@perlmonkey2No one else excited over the upcoming WebGUI S3 wobject?07:13
@perlmonkey2I wonder if anyone has already written a JS S3 AWS client.07:13
patspami remember someone talking about something like that on the dev list over a year ago07:16
patspamat the WebGUI::Storage level07:17
+perlDreamerDonorWare has done work with WebGUI and Amazon's stuff07:17
patspamhttp://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/pluggable-file-system-for-amazon-s307:18
@perlmonkey2interesting thread.07:21
@perlmonkey2The solution I put forth though allows WG to be hosted elsewhere and you don't have to pay for bandwidth twice (S3->WG->user).07:22
nubacool07:24
@perlmonkey2easily subclass storage07:26
@perlmonkey2well maybe not.  As a fairly complex client will have to be on the user's end.07:27
nubausually you cant avoid complexity... if you make things simple here then it'll move elsewhere..07:31
nubaonly hope lies with elegant design, architecture07:31
nubaso things be simple as possible, yet not simplified. i guess einstein said that.07:32
@perlmonkey2Is it worth the effort to come up with a client + gatekeeper asset or to just pay for the bandwidth twice and have the WG instance grab the data dirctly from S3 to serve?07:38
@perlmonkey2In an app as widely used as WG, it is probably worth the effort.07:39
@perlmonkey2Oh well, interesting problem for some other tiem.07:41
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: You're a beastie07:45
+perlDreamerYou do a full release of WebGUI, and then decide to launch into Amazon Services07:46
@perlmonkey2Hah, just toying with the idea tonight.  I'm 100% Survey after Friday.07:46
+perlDreamersurvey07:46
+perlDreamersurvey07:46
+perlDreamersurvey07:46
@perlmonkey2Which is turning into a lot of fun.  I can't explain how much simpler the JSON struct is making everything.  Almost every algorithm has become a lot simpler.07:47
+perlDreamercool07:47
+perlDreamerI still need to generalize that code with Haarg07:47
@Haargwhich code?07:48
@Haargoh, json collateral?07:48
@perlmonkey2I take the JSON hash deserialize and then init a SurveyJSON clas with it.  It then inits Section classes with the appriate hash menmbers, whihc init question classes with the approriate hash members, and answers get the same.07:48
@perlmonkey2and then I have a big ball of Survey all ready to go.07:49
@perlmonkey2when done, each class removes circular reference and returns its unblessed hash for serialization.07:49
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: is that a really stupid way to do it?07:50
@perlmonkey2or just dumb?07:50
@perlmonkey2mildly retarded?07:50
@perlmonkey2Tell me, I can handle the truth.07:50
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+perlDreamersorry, was away getting a snack07:52
+perlDreamerjson collateral, Haarg07:52
@Haargi'm messing with dataform now, turning entries into their own objects07:53
@Haargstill need a better solution for the field configuration07:53
@Haargtrying to clean up some more silliness that i didn't get done for 7.507:54
+perlDreamerWant some help?07:56
@Haargit's going fine for now07:57
@Haargalso trying to add some tests07:57
@Haargsince there currently are none07:57
+perlDreamerI see, you mean DataForm silliness.  I thought there was _other_ silliness preventing you from getting to the DataForm07:58
@Haargyeah, just stuff with dataform07:58
@Haarglike how prepareView does the entire render process07:58
@Haargand view just pulls that data out07:58
@Haargit'll also need some adjustments for caching07:59
@perlmonkey2what's wrong with DataForm's prepareView?07:59
@Haargit works well enough07:59
@perlmonkey2 # this one is so nutz that we don't even bother preparing, we just execute the whole thing08:00
@Haargbut it does the full processing on the template08:00
@Haargyeah, that bit08:00
+perlDreamerit got a lot more complex when I added the defaultView stuff into it08:00
@Haargalso, i think it has the same problem as thingy08:00
@Haargwhere if you have the default view as list08:00
@Haargbut the user doesn't have permission, it will double the style template08:01
@Haargdidn't actually test that but that's what the code looks like08:01
@perlmonkey2What should DataForm hand off the template processing to?08:01
@Haargthe normal way to do it is to initialize the template in prepareView08:01
@Haargand only do the actual template variable generation and template processing in view08:02
@perlmonkey2ic08:02
@perlmonkey2that's good to know08:02
@perlmonkey2Like Article08:02
@Haargit also uses stow variables in an odd way08:02
@perlmonkey2like global vars?08:04
@Haargyeah, it stores an internal flag in a stow variable08:05
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patspamthis is totally anecdotal.. and could be just due to me mucking up something.. but i think when i copy/pasted a CS with mail enabled and then disabled mail on the copied version, it disabled mail for the orig09:18
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patspam*zzzzz*11:21
patspamthat's the sounds of everyone sleeping11:21
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SDuensinFRIDAY!!!16:25
@rizenisawayindeed!16:39
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@perlmonkey2Ugh, we have to do something about assetmanager not having a message when the ajax requests time otu.16:58
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@rizenpm2: yeah you do17:20
@perlmonkey2:D17:23
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SquOnkHi everyone.17:32
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SDuensinAvast!  We be forgettin' de day!  Yaar!17:46
@perlmonkey2hello SquOnk SDuensin17:49
SquOnkperlmonkey2: Hey there17:49
@perlmonkey2Is it speak like a pirate day?17:49
SDuensinAye!17:49
SquOnkI've started working in the PostgreSQL port...17:50
SquOnkI've also received a complaint from various Debian users. XML::RSSLite is quite old, looks abandoned upstream and has a couple of ugly bugs.17:51
SquOnkThey were about to remove the package from the Debian repository.17:51
@Haargthese things are all true17:51
SquOnkI figured XML::RSSLite is only used in one place.17:51
SquOnkSo either we change to XML::SomethingBetter or we fix XML::RSSLite.17:52
* perlmonkey2 votes 'SomethingBetter'17:52
@Haargthe entire syndicated content asset needs a rewrite17:52
* SDuensin agrees17:52
@rizenThough SomethingBetter sounds like a good and simple idea, it is not.17:52
SDuensinIt's been quite fluky for me.17:52
SquOnkI lobbyed enough so that libxml-rsslite-perl is not removed from Lenny.17:52
SquOnk...thus guaranteeing that the current webgui packages work fine.17:53
@rizenI agree it would be nice to get rid of it, but Syndicated Content asset needs to be rewritten to use something else, and that's not an easy task17:53
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* rizen depricates snapcount18:02
@rizensnapcount shall be replaced with SquOnk in the next release18:03
SquOnkrizen: With me?18:05
@rizenindeed18:07
* SquOnk doesn't get it18:08
@rizenyou don't understand the concept of deprication?18:11
SquOnkYes.18:12
@rizenor you don't understand that humans are all just cogs that are interchangeable in the giant machine that we call life?18:12
SquOnkIf I were human18:12
* perlmonkey2 isn't a cog in the machine, rather a brick in the wall.18:13
@rizenif you're not human, you're at least a close enough facsimile to approximate the general dimensions of human enough to fit the needs of the machine18:13
SquOnkUpdated 7.5.23 debian packages at the usual place.18:14
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+perlDreamerAll right!  7.5 nightly smoke tests again!18:32
@preactionso it would seem, for now18:34
+perlDreamerWho set that up?18:34
@preactioni fixed the test box18:34
+perlDreamerDude!  Thank you.18:34
+perlDreamerWhat was the problem?18:34
@preactionby cannibaliazing the 4 derelict computers i have sitting around this house18:34
@preactioni think the test box mobo got fried, but i haven't got another one to tr to test that theory18:34
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Wind turbine economics http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/18/micro.turbine/index.html18:34
@preactionthe network cards i had in there also doesn't work when put into another box, and the video card that was in there was really really old18:35
@preaction(since i think i blew the onboard vga port)18:35
@preactionat any rate, i got the HD out and have a working test box again18:35
@preactionand most importantly i have my work on version 2.0 of those nightly tests, which will include devel::cover and a pretty htmlized test output18:36
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+perlDreamerIt might be worth running devel::cover only weekly18:37
+perlDreamerIt's a huge hit to test time18:37
@preactionprobably. the box does nothing else, so how long it takes should be a little irrelevant18:37
@preactionor maybe only run Coverage on the SVN, not any other18:37
@preactionoh, i also have the ambition of testing the upgrades more thorougly by making them go through every version they can18:38
+perlDreamerAn integration server?  Sounds good.18:38
+perlDreamerAnd there may be existing software to handle that automatically18:38
@preactionwhat would i look for?18:39
+perlDreamerI'd try the perl QA site, and search for "Continuous integration server"18:39
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: Neat article.  18:46
+perlDreamerI know you're planning something bigger, and homemade.  So you can probably make something a lot more economic.18:47
@preactiontinderbox looks like a good idea, plus it's perl so i could extend it18:48
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: not bigger just homemade18:53
@preactionah, pd wasn't talking to me18:54
+perlDreamerpreaction: No.  When it comes to software, I know you can always make something better, bigger and more economic ;)18:55
@preactionmaybe, but the time involved18:56
+perlDreamerI'm willing to chip in to help out18:56
+perlDreamerI am kind of the WebGUI Testing Czar18:56
+perlDreamers/Czar/Serf/18:56
+perlDreamers/Serf/Lacky/18:56
SquOnklol18:57
SquOnk/usr/share/webgui/t/Macro/Thumbnail.................................ok 1/9Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method at /usr/share/perl5/DateTime/TimeZone.pm line 7718:57
SquOnkCan't locate auto/Graphics/Magick/GetPixels.al in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/webgui/t/Macro/../lib lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /usr/share/webgui/lib) at /usr/share/webgui/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t line 10418:57
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SquOnkTrue, I don't have Graphics::Magick, but I DO have PerlMagick which is the alternative18:58
SquOnkAnd I also have18:58
SquOnk/usr/share/webgui/t/Macro/SQL.......................................ok 1/15DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '* from testTable order by one' at line 1 at lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 314.18:58
SquOnkThis is on 7.5.2318:58
+perlDreamerthat's by design18:58
+perlDreamerthe last one, SquOnk18:58
+perlDreamerIt tests how bad SQL is handled18:58
+perlDreamerand it "leaks" out on STDERR18:59
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: my first model will just be a small 3 meter job, should average 200W all year around.18:59
@perlmonkey2only 5KW/h a day, but should be a fun start.18:59
+perlDreamerMaybe I should tie off STDERR for that test to quiet the noise18:59
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: didn't the article say that at 1K you can break even?18:59
@perlmonkey2if you live in on 200mph blowy lane, blowmedownville, blows19:00
SquOnkperlDreamer: use IO::Capture::Stderr19:01
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: but most places with decent wind will average 10-15 mph year round.19:01
@perlmonkey2so it takes a 7 meter turbine to average 1KW/h19:01
@perlmonkey2and those sneaky guys selling turbines will give you their ratings for 30mph winds, which you'll see maybe 1% of the time.19:02
@perlmonkey2but a 1KW/h system wouldn't be enough if you used battery backup.  At least not in the summer when my AC runs 50% of the day.19:03
@perlmonkey2But if you sell back to the grid, you'll net negative usage.19:04
+perlDreamerSquOnk, if I add more requirements to the core WebGUI install, I think rizen will shoot me.19:05
carograyhi - does anyone know if rich text editor was "upgraded" with the recent upgrade to latest stable WebGUI? It is insisting on inserting p tags in the description when our admin wants to enter a new calendar event19:05
@rizencarogray: yes19:06
carograycompletely messing up our event list19:06
carograyugh19:06
@rizenit is now 3.019:06
carograyanyone to get round this p tag inserting?19:06
carograyanyway19:06
carograyany way19:06
@rizenperlDreamer: you can add it, but not for 7.519:06
@rizencarogray: you could try the use <br> instead of <p> switch in the rich editor19:07
@rizenother than that, no idea19:07
@rizenyou could also use some CSS to eliminate the effect of the <p> tags19:08
carograythe br won't work cause the description needs to start with out a beginning p tag. I guess we will have to look at fixing the CSS for it19:08
carograyyes, that's what we were thinking. 19:08
carograythanks19:08
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@preactionperlDreamer, it's not a core requirement, it's a test suggestion. we can add whatever we want20:07
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CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7638 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): AssetManager now times out after 30 seconds on the AJAX call to load assets. This will help people realize they are having network issues.20:13
doc777Hello everyone. Using 7.5.20 wg I am getting this: Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm in @INC20:15
doc777I think this might have started with the last upgrade I did ;)20:15
doc777What am I missing or overlooked? Pretty sure its my fault.20:15
+perlDreamerdoc777: Install Template::Toolkit20:16
SquOnkdoc777: Looks like your missing Template-Toolkit20:16
+perlDreamerOption b:  Add WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit to preload.exclude in your sbin directory20:17
doc777Well, the TemplateToolkit.pm is in there... complaining about Template.pm which is not there.20:17
+perlDreamerright, but TemplateToolkit.pm is trying to load Template::Toolkit.pm, which you don't have20:18
+perlDreamersince you aren't using TemplateToolkit.pm, just tell WebGUI not to load it20:18
doc777What I am trying to do it get the google site map like: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-make-a-google-sitemap-of-your-webgui-site to work. Cannot yet as it is all blank so I checked the logs and found that error. I am unsure if it is related.  Do I need templatetoolkit for that?20:19
+perlDreamerNo20:19
doc777Ok, then disable it I shall do!20:19
doc777while I am cleaning up the log, any idea what this means?  WebGUI::Macro::process[142] - Can't call method "getLineageLength" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm line 404.20:28
@preactiondoc777, that was a bug that was fixed in 7.5.21 i believe20:28
doc777Ah, then I need to upgrade. Thank you.20:29
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7639 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: actove admin console tab isn't highlighted20:48
doc777Hrm... upgraded to .23 seemingly without a hitch. But when I went to change something it failed and saw this in the log: Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_477d_0.MYI'; try to repair it20:55
@preactionso do what it says20:57
@preactionmyisamchk is the program to do it20:57
@preactionwait, /tmp/?20:57
doc777This is what the webgui log says:  WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[135] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: describe assetVersionTag : With place holders: .  Root cause: Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_477d_0.MYI'; try to repair it20:58
doc777makes no sense to me...20:58
doc777The upgrade looked like it was seamless. no errors and everything seemed ok... until I tried to change a page. Then it threw this.20:59
@preactionrun a myisamchk on your database files21:01
doc777I had to delete the webgui cache in /tmp. That cleared it up.21:08
* perlmonkey2 dreams of transactions 21:30
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* perlDreamer dreams of transistors21:34
* perlDreamer realizes that perlmonkey2's dreams are definitely better21:34
doc777Can anyone give me advice on generating a google site map? I have followed the howto on the wg site for about 4 hours and it generates a blank page  ;p21:44
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CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7641 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Shop.pm: Update from translation server00:10
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@rizenperlDreamer, perlmonkey2, Haarg, preaction, and others. I'd like to introduce WebGUI::Crud - https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm00:43
@perlmonkey2Snazzy name00:44
@rizenthis is not officially going into the core yet, i want some comments on it00:44
@rizenand if you guys like it, i'll document it and write tests for it this weekend00:44
@rizenthis could have quite easily been the basis for all the objects in the shop, and will be the basis for Automat00:45
@rizenmy thought is that this would also be useful for asset collateral00:45
@rizenanything that needs a database that is00:46
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7642 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: not officially in the core yet, just putting this out to see what people think00:46
@preactionthe crud_ methods aren't supposed to be overridden right? if so, should start with _00:46
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@perlmonkey2Why you can make anything out of it.00:47
@rizenno they are to be overridden as well if you want to00:47
@rizenthat's why i didn't start them with a _00:47
@rizeni just started them with crud_ to denote that they are management functions00:47
@rizenrather than regular methods for the object00:48
@preactionis there a method to run a search, or should that kind of thing be implemented by children?00:49
@rizeni was thinking about that, and it seems like that will be specific00:53
@rizenthe only one i could think to add for sure was getAll()00:54
@rizenand that would have an option to return ids or objects00:54
@rizenpm2: yup, that's the idea00:55
+perlDreamerWebGUI::Crud is a WebGUI::ORM?00:55
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@rizenthere added a getAll()00:59
+perlDreamerrizen: aside from obvious (POD and tests) I don't see anything bad right now.01:01
+perlDreamerIs the long term plan to base everything in WebGUI off of this?01:02
@rizennot everything01:02
@rizenjust most things01:02
@rizenassets can't be based on this01:02
@rizenbecause they are multi-table objects01:02
@rizenWorkflowActivity's can't be because they don't each get their own table01:02
@rizenbut yeah, lots of stuff01:03
+perlDreamerAnd this is all WebGUI 8 stuff?01:03
@rizenno 7.601:05
@rizenpd do you think a better name would be WebGUI::ORM01:05
@rizenis that more what this is?01:05
@rizeni always confuse the two01:05
+perlDreamerI'm not sure01:05
+perlDreamerfeedback: All action methods should return a flag for success or failure01:05
+perlDreamerfor most methods, the db call is last so it's okay01:06
+perlDreamerbut delete doesn't work that way01:06
+perlDreamerthe return value is for the reorder01:06
+perlDreamer(just thinking about testing)01:06
@rizenyou mean return a 1 on success?01:06
+perlDreamerYes01:06
+perlDreamerand 0/'' on failure01:06
@rizenand on failure throw an exception01:06
+perlDreamersure, or an exception01:06
+perlDreamerbut that's a lot of exception handling01:06
@rizenwell i'm already using exceptions throughout01:06
@rizenso it seems like a good idea01:07
@preactionthis does relate a database row to an object, so maybe it is more an ORM01:07
@Haargit seems more specific than an ORM to me though01:07
@preactionbut i don't know what all an ORM has to be able to do01:07
+perlDreamerAccording to wikipedia, this isn't an ORM01:09
+perlDreamerORMs map complex data structures on a per field basis into db fields01:10
+perlDreamerso that if you have a person object with a set of phone numbers, the ORM handles translating from the list to the db fields01:10
+perlDreamerI think this is a CRUD01:10
@Haargagreed01:10
@preactioni don't mean to be nitpicky, but changing getAll() to be two methods: getAllIds and getAllObjects might be more self-documenting01:11
@preactioninstead of having to look up what getAll returns, ids or objects01:11
@rizenok, i have to add exceptions on failures, return 1 on success, and use quoteIdentifier for my fields and table names01:12
+perlDreamerrizen: What is the afore mentioned Automat?01:12
@rizenanything else?01:12
@rizenAutomat is Plain Black's automated self-service hosting management system01:12
+perlDreamerIf it doesn't throw an exception, that's the same as returning 1 on success, so you can drop that request from me.01:12
+perlDreamerIf you'd like help with testing, please holler.01:12
+perlDreameror POD writing01:13
@rizenpd, i'll take you up on that when i have the basics done...i'd love a reviewer01:13
@Haargi'm using an iterator for dataform stuff, might be good to have something like that for larger data sets01:13
@preactionshould we throw in a stub for a "find" or "search" method? just to make people keep some uniformity to it?01:13
@Haargi should work on a general iterator that can be reused for some of these things01:13
@rizenthe signatures will be different for each01:14
@perlmonkey2interators are always nice for anything that can be a set.01:14
@rizenso i don't know if a search stub is a useful idea or not01:14
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: indeed, and anything that could be big, like every user/group in the system.01:14
@rizenso in general then people seem to like the idea of this thing01:14
@rizen???01:14
+perlDreamerYes.  One of my slides (which I still owe you) from Common Programming Mistakes is that every class has it's own object interface01:15
+perlDreamernew, create, find, etc.01:15
@preactioni have misgivings about making it an object, but i see the advantages in being able to pre- and post-process the data in the database, so i'll grow into it01:15
@perlmonkey2Off the top of my head, i think it will help create uniformity, plus takes some of the grunt work away.01:15
+perlDreamerif we inherit all those from one place, things will be uniformly broken (or not)01:15
@Haarghow would you do it if not to have it an object?01:15
@preactionthe object would be the connection and translation medium, so the object is related to the table as a whole, not a single row in it01:16
@preactionthen you'd get rows as hash references01:16
@perlmonkey2as a set of subroutines to operate on a struct?01:16
@Haargthat seems more like what you would use class methods for preaction01:17
@Haarggranted, you would have to pass the $session around a lot01:17
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7643 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: fixed a sequencing problem01:18
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7644 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): DatePicker.js can now use different first days of the week01:18
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7645 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): DatePicker.js can now use different first days of the week01:18
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7646 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added getAll()01:18
@rizenpreaction: that would have the same flaws as the Wobject collateral methods do now01:18
@rizenin that you'd have to pass in a whole crapload of fields01:18
@Haargand you would always be dealing with things on a data level01:19
+perlDreamerrizen, and in your spare time, write the same thing for JSON handling01:19
@rizenhehe01:19
@rizeni don't need one for json just yet01:19
@rizeni needed this for automat01:19
@rizen=)01:19
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+perlDreamerI think Workflow Activities would be okay with this01:20
+perlDreamerbut not Assets01:20
+perlDreamerwhich is a shame01:20
@Haargactivities don't have their own tables though01:21
+perlDreamerI don't think that matters.  Each activity tells CRUD which table they use01:21
+perlDreamereverything customizable is hidden inside JSON, right?01:22
+perlDreamerthere you go01:22
+perlDreamerwe need a field config for automatic JSON translation01:22
+perlDreamerso that the object can hold JSON data and have it automatically serialized into and out of the db01:23
@Haargthat's not too hard to do with just update/get on assets at this point01:23
@Haargbut that's just the serialization aspect of it01:23
+perlDreamerbut we're now using JSON throughout the system01:24
+perlDreamerand we might as well have a uniform, centralized way of handling it01:24
@Haargfor data form for example the larger problem is manipulation of the hashes01:24
+perlDreamersure, but that's collateral management01:24
+perlDreamerit's a sub-class of the general JSON data case01:24
@Haargif we really wanted to centralize that01:25
@Haargit could just be an extra flag in definition01:25
@Haargand the base update/get methods could take care of the work01:25
+perlDreamerExactly!  I think I said that differently earlier (field config for automatic JSON translation)01:25
@Haargah, didn't quite catch what you meant there01:26
@Haargi agree, that wouldn't be a bad idea01:26
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snapcountyo plainblack sales peeps01:27
snapcountI want to buy some training01:27
snapcountand nobody answered the phone =)01:27
snapcountanyone have time to talk about it?01:27
+perlDreamerWhat kind of training do you want snapcount?01:27
+perlDreamerYou're a WebGUI-meister!01:27
@rizenpd, seems like a good idea01:27
snapcountheh... it's for my IT dept01:27
@rizensnapcount, sure01:28
@rizeni can talk about it01:28
snapcountcool... better here or on phone?01:28
@rizensnapcount, you do realize it's after 5pm on a friday, and that's why probably nobody answered01:28
@rizen=)01:28
snapcountlol01:28
snapcountI thought you guys worked 24x7 like Krispy Kreme01:28
@rizenworking 24x7 and answering the phone 24x7 are two different things01:28
@preactionyou mean there's a krispy kreme open, right now, somewhere, and i just have to find it?01:29
snapcountvery true01:29
snapcountmmm01:29
@rizenup to you if you want to call me you can or we can talk her01:29
@rizenhere01:29
snapcountok here is fine01:29
snapcountbasically I have a team of Perl devs01:29
snapcountsome designers01:29
snapcountand content folks01:29
snapcountI want them to get some hands on and the books01:30
snapcountso I need to know how much that would cost... how many days it would be, and when you could come01:30
@preactionperl webgui training? oh yes please please pick me pick me!01:30
snapcountif you're cheaper than rizen I'll pick you =)01:30
snapcountbut I don't think I get to pick !01:31
@rizenhe works for me, so he's no cheaper. =)01:31
snapcountdamn01:31
+perlDreamerpreaction, you don't have to find it, I'll tell you where it is.01:31
@rizenwell it depends on how much training you want in what topics01:31
@rizenfor on site training we charge $1600 per day plus travel01:31
@preactionperlDreamer, is this some crude segue into a homosexual joke?01:31
snapcountok... I'm thinking we'd probably want two days01:32
@rizenand when you do onsite training you can buy as many books as you want with a 25% discount01:32
snapcountoh cool01:32
@rizenfitting programming, design, and cm into 2 days is going to be very rough01:32
@rizennot for us, but for your brains01:33
+perlDreamerpreaction: You were talking about Krispi Kremes?01:33
snapcountso how fast could this happen?  And can you cover content management, teaching designers to take a design and put it in the site + navs, and teach devs beginning to end wobject dev and the basics of workflows, etc. in two days?01:33
@rizeni'd recommend at least 3 days01:33
snapcountoh ok01:33
@rizensnapcount not possible01:33
@rizenasset development itself is at least a day01:33
snapcountso what is travel roughly these days?01:34
snapcount400 / day or something01:34
snapcountwe're in orlando fl01:34
@preactionnearest krispy kreme is 72 miles away :(01:34
@rizenprobably about $700 for a plane ticket, and $200 per night for a hotel01:34
@rizenmaybe cheaper01:34
@rizenmaybe more expensive01:34
@rizenjust depends01:34
@rizenbut that's what we use for estimating01:35
snapcountso we're talking 6 or 7 K01:35
@rizenindeed01:35
snapcountcool that sounds good01:35
snapcountwhat's your schedule like?01:35
@rizeni think what we could do to get in everything you want we'd have to structure it like this:01:35
@rizenCM  = 2 hours01:36
@rizendesign = 6 hours01:36
@rizenprogramming = 8 hours01:36
+perlDreamerSpanish Translation at 48.5%01:36
@rizenwe might also be able to do a 3/5/8 kind of thing01:36
snapcountthen day 3 is whatever we want help with?01:36
@rizenbut your peeps brains are going to hurt afterward01:36
snapcount3/5/8?01:36
@rizeni thought you said 2 days01:36
+perlDreamerSquOnk seems to be a translation monster, in addition to his Debian hackery01:36
snapcountyeah but you told me it was impossible so I conceded01:37
@rizenoh01:37
snapcountchat lag =)01:37
@rizenin that case i'd do 3 hours CM, 5 hours design01:37
@rizenand the last two days dev01:37
snapcountthat sounds better01:37
@rizenunless you think your devs are super bright and the other people are going to take longer01:38
@rizenthen we can spend less time on dev01:38
@rizenand more on cm and design01:38
snapcountI think what you suggested sounds like a good plan01:38
@rizenCM prereqs are = must know how to use a web browser, word processor, etc01:38
@rizendesign prereqs are = must have a firm understanding of html and css (without dreamweaver)01:38
@rizendev prereqs are = must be fluent in perl including OO concepts01:39
snapcountnot a problem01:39
@rizenall must have their own computers01:39
snapcountgood there too01:39
@rizenand devs must be able to install the WRE on them either using VMWare images or directly using the WRE01:39
snapcountwe have vmware environment already with wre01:40
@rizenok01:40
snapcountwe can deploy vms for all01:40
snapcountso I think this will work out... just leaves timeframe01:40
@rizenwe can pretty much do the training whenver it's convenient for you...i'll have to verify with vrby of course, but i believe the schedule is pretty open01:40
snapcountawesome01:40
snapcountok well I didn't have this in the budget until FY09 but this initiative got more traction today01:41
snapcountso I need to clear it with my CEO but I don't think it will be an issue01:41
@rizengreat01:41
@rizenbtw, what is your company URL?01:41
snapcountcan I email you to confirm?01:41
@rizenabsolutely01:41
@rizenand are you already using webgui, or is this a startup project01:42
snapcountProbably want to do this in about 2 weeks01:42
snapcountstartup01:42
snapcountwe want to start building an intranet01:42
snapcountbut eventually use it as our rapid dev framework01:42
@rizenawesome01:42
snapcounteventually for production apps01:42
snapcountwant to get my peeps eased in with the intranet01:42
snapcountwhen webgui is easier for them than straight perl01:42
snapcountmove it out into more of our company01:43
@rizenok great.01:43
snapcounthttp://www.hdpublishinggroup.com/01:44
@rizenthat's a new company for you isn't it snapcount?01:44
snapcount1 yr 7 mos01:44
snapcountjust got promoted to CIO today =D01:44
snapcountyipee01:44
snapcounthehe01:44
@rizennice!01:44
snapcountyeah... start doing shit that makes sense...01:45
@rizencongrats01:45
snapcountlike using webgui =D01:45
@rizenwahoo!!!01:45
snapcountthanks... been busting my butt for this one01:45
doc777Anyone know why when you add "alt=text" to an image file it does not actually show up in the source code of the page? Do you have to add it manually on the page?01:48
snapcountoh rizen01:49
snapcountwhat are your terms?01:49
snapcountcan you invoice net 30?01:49
@rizennet 30 is standard01:49
snapcountok good01:50
snapcountmakes it easier01:50
doc777in .23 The "alt=text" image tag seems broken. You can set it on the image but it does not show in lynx. Just shows the filename.  Have I over looked something or is this intended?  ;-)01:53
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@Haargi don't see that behavior01:59
@Haargusing 7.6, but i wouldn't expect 7.5 to be incredibly different01:59
doc777We just wasted about 3 hours naming all the images to find out it did not work on our site....02:00
@rizenhow are you including the images into the page?02:02
@rizen^FileUrl(); or ^AssetProxy();02:02
@rizen?02:02
@rizenor direct /uploads url?02:03
@rizenor some other way?02:04
doc777Well just embeded into an article. Added with the editor...02:05
@rizenok that's using the direct uploads url02:06
@rizenthe problem is that you are referencing the images directly, which doesn't use the asset properties, because you've effectively created your own <img> tags for each image02:07
@Haarghow did you add them to the editor?02:07
@rizenthat's the big downside to linking images through the rich editor02:07
doc777I just clicked on a page, chose edit, chose insert/edit image and saved. 02:07
@rizenhowever, in the rich editor, if you link an image02:07
@rizenyou can set the alt there02:07
@rizennot at the image asset level...but in the properties of the new img tag you're creating02:08
doc777so if we go back and use ^AssetProxy(image); then the tags should be there?02:08
@rizenyes02:08
doc777Ah, live and learn... still love gui  ;)02:08
@rizenif you replace the homebrew <img> tags with ^AssetProxy(asseturl);02:08
@rizenit's not as pretty for the content manager, but it works better02:09
doc777Also I noticed that if we change the page title to something very long it really messes up the asset manager. Can the title column be changed to menu title?02:10
@rizenthat's a good idea02:12
@rizenput it up as an RFE and i'll give it a bunch of karma02:13
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doc777Ok, will try and do that. I think it would be nice ;)02:15
@Haargbe sure to search first, i think i saw that rfe on the list already02:16
+perlDreamermaybe instead of menuTitle, it should just wrap or truncate?02:16
+perlDreamermenuTitle is often not filled out02:19
+perlDreamerso you'd get the name of the asset instead of anything useful02:19
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doc777The description for menu title is "short description". I just thought it would be great.02:20
doc777We always fill ours out. Thought we had to ;-)02:20
SquOnkre02:24
* SquOnk was having late friday pizza02:25
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+perlDreamerSquOnk: Have you been translating WebGUI?02:28
SquOnkperlDreamer: Yes02:29
+perlDreamerAwesome!02:29
SquOnkperlDreamer: And fixing "spanglish" translations too02:29
SquOnkWe speak lousy spanish in Venezuela :-)02:29
* perlDreamer is probably responsible for some of those02:29
SquOnkActually I'm working in something "eviler"02:30
SquOnkI believe you remember my explanation regarding dh-make-perl...02:30
SquOnk...you do dh-make-perl --cpan Some::Module::You::Need and lo and behold, you get a perfectly formed Debian package02:30
SquOnkWell, I'm working on dh-make-webgui-i18n02:31
SquOnkThe general idea is doing something like02:31
SquOnkdh-make-webgui-i18n --lang Spanish02:31
SquOnk...and it will fetch wathever is there in i18n.webgui.org and create webgui-i18n-spanish02:31
SquOnkThen you just dpkg -i it :-)02:32
+perlDreamernice!02:32
+perlDreamersvn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/translations02:32
SquOnkdh-make-webgui-i18n --lang All      will do what you imagine02:32
+perlDreamerthat would be big02:32
+perlDreamernot as big as X or OpenOffice.org, but still big02:33
SquOnk:-)02:33
SquOnkMaybe someone wants it, I don't know ;-)02:33
+perlDreamerSomeone with Greek, Urdu, Spanish and RedNeck users02:45
@rizenperlDreamer i just put in the serialization stuff could you please check it and see if you like how it's done?02:45
+perlDreamerIt's bad02:45
+perlDreamersvn commit has no comment02:47
@rizenyeah, i'm using my ide to commit now and i'm just trying to figure out how to do it02:47
@rizenand i failed02:47
+perlDreamerencode and decode need the canonical methods inserted in them02:47
@rizeni'm a miserable miserable failure02:48
+perlDreamerI got bit by that a few days ago02:48
@rizencononical?02:48
@rizenwhat?02:48
@rizensyntax example please02:48
+perlDreamerJSON->new->canonical->decode02:48
+perlDreamersimilar for encode02:48
@rizenwhy?02:48
SquOnkAsset File 100%02:48
+perlDreamerIt forces the data to be sorted, so client classes can do operations on the JSON data sanely02:48
+perlDreamerlike Workflow/Instance02:49
SquOnkSpanish 48.5%02:49
@rizensorted according to what?02:49
@rizenand why would sorting make a difference of any sort to anything02:49
+perlDreamerIn Workflow/Instance, it actually does a db lookup on the JSON data to check for duplicates02:49
@rizenoh i see02:50
+perlDreamerthat means the data has to be stored in a predictable format02:50
+perlDreamercanonical will guarantee that02:50
@rizeni get it now02:50
@rizenok i'll do it02:50
SquOnkrizen: Except for the upgrade scripts... does all of the SQL statement live in SQL.pm and SQL/ResultSet.pm?02:51
+perlDreamerSquOnk: no02:51
+perlDreamerthere's SQL all through the ocde02:51
SquOnkperlDreamer: I see02:51
+perlDreamerack 'session->db' /data/WebGUI/lib will give you a list02:51
* SquOnk scratches his head02:51
@rizenSquOnk instead of creating seperate files for database queries when we used to support multiple database we would just make all queries conform to ansi sql standards02:52
@rizenand not allow any specialty functions02:52
SquOnkrizen: My thoughts exactly02:52
@rizenhowever, we moved away from supporting straight ansi sql a couple of years ago02:52
SquOnkrizen: Are they ANSI right now?02:52
@rizenwhen we stopped supporting Postgres and Oracle02:53
@rizenit's still mostly ansi, but there are a few places now that are no longer ansi02:53
+perlDreamerlater, all02:53
SquOnkrizen: I see. I'm interested in suppporting PostgreSQL.02:53
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7647 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix a whitespace issue for POD02:53
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7648 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm:02:53
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7649 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (Asset_File.pm Macro_MiniCart.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server02:53
@rizenlater pd02:53
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SquOnkrizen: So, my best bet is checking out for any "mysqlties" and try to bring them back to "ansiness".02:54
@rizensquonk, i'd have to be convinced of the value to allow you to do it, because there are some pretty significant performance gains we get by not using ansi sql everywhere02:54
@rizentake a look at WebGUI::Paginator02:54
SquOnkrizen: Can you give an example out of the top of your head?02:54
@rizenit's a good example02:54
@rizenspecifically we use SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS02:55
@rizenwhich is mysql specific02:55
SquOnkrizen: Yes. There's an equivalent operation in PostgreSQL.02:56
@rizenit increased the speed of the paginator by something like a factor of 302:56
@rizeni'm not saying there's not02:56
@rizeni'm just saying that's not ANSI02:56
SquOnkrizen: Me neither :-)02:56
@rizenalso Thingy dynamicly creates tables on the fly02:57
@rizenand so does the user profiling system02:57
@rizeni'm guessing the create syntax isn't ansi 02:57
SquOnkrizen: Not a problem.02:57
SquOnkrizen: As long as I can have access to $dbh to find out the driver, I can do the right thing.02:57
@rizen$session->db->dbh will give you that02:57
SquOnkrizen: That said, it's clear that I have to check each file for SQL and have special branches for the special cases.02:58
SquOnkrizen: We have a _huge_ customer who is absolutely in love with WebGUI but will not use MySQL at all.02:59
@rizenyup, you'll have to do that in all classes, and the upgrade script02:59
@rizenhow can they love webgui without loving mysql?02:59
@rizenjust by default i mean02:59
@rizenlove mysql for the sake of webgui02:59
@rizen=)02:59
SquOnkrizen: They love what webgui can do, but they've already lost money to MySQL big time.02:59
@rizenoh...one other thing, you'll need something to convert create.sql into postgres capable syntax03:00
SquOnkrizen: It did not scale to their needs and had severe performance problems under load. WebGUI is one thing, but they have several applications03:00
@rizentheir applications can still be written in another db03:00
SquOnkrizen: You know when someone's made their mind about it? They have. They don't want to have anything to do with MySQL.03:01
@rizenmy big concern here is that PB doesn't have any intention of supporting Postgres, which means you'll need to always be going through the code and upgrade scripts to make sure it's Pg compatible03:01
SquOnkrizen: I DBA all of their Pg databases, and they don't even want me to take charge of a separate MySQL server...03:01
@rizeni understand what you mean squonk03:01
SquOnkrizen: I understand that completely, don't worry. I'm just assessing the problem and seeing if it's worth the effort.03:02
@rizenif they're willing to pay you the big bucks to maintain it, then it's probably worth it. =)03:02
@rizen$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$03:03
@rizenif it's any consolation to you 3 years ago webgui did run on Pg, so the amount of work you have to do shouldn't be HUGE, but it will probably still be sizable.03:04
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+perlDreamerpreaction: http://dev.taptinder.org/wiki/TapTinder04:36
+perlDreameranother alternative to Tinderbox04:36
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7651 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: 04:54
CIA-39WebGUI: added pod04:54
CIA-39WebGUI: added return 1 on success04:54
CIA-39WebGUI: replaced getAll with getAllSql getAllIterator and getAllIds04:54
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7652 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: commit an i18n tag that I forgot, and add datestamp to inherit parent permissions04:54
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7653 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Workflow.t: mod Workflow.t to work with 7.504:54
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+perlDreamerHas anyone else looked at this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/webgui-first-time-site-starter-hangs-after-style-designer05:10
+perlDreamerI can't duplicate it05:10
@preactionrindolf was saying it was a source installation, i assume he was adding everything available from the site starter wizard05:11
+perlDreamerbut the style wizard is before that05:12
+perlDreamerhm05:13
+perlDreamerI guess you could read it that way, too05:13
+perlDreamerbut I went all the way through it05:13
+perlDreamerwith no problems05:14
+perlDreamerI'll try loading up this time05:14
+perlDreamerIt's gotta be spectre related05:18
+perlDreamerbecause it worked fine for me, with everything enabled to be added05:19
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@rizenso other than writing tests for it, WebGUI::Crud is in it's final form unless i get more feedback from peeps05:28
@rizeni've posted a request for feedback on the dev mailing list05:28
@rizenhttp://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/request-for-comment-webguicrud#idZP-suN4O2NtwRFQrZcvYFg05:28
@rizentake a look at it05:28
+perlDreamerI'll bet that will generate more info05:28
@rizeni'll write the tests for it tomorrow05:28
+perlDreamerespecially from the Dutch crew and Knowmad05:28
@rizeni was thinking specifically knowmad and patspam actually . =)05:29
+perlDreameryou may not hear from patspam 'til Monday05:29
@rizenanyway, i'm off for the night05:29
+perlDreamerSince in Australia it's already the weekend05:29
@rizenyeah05:29
+perlDreamergood night, rizen05:29
@rizeni know05:29
@rizenlater05:29
+perlDreamerGreat hacking today05:29
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7655 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: gave some options to the getAll methods05:42
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7657 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: fixing problems found by Crud.t08:41
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wgGuest60Is is possible to update an existing web site written with Dreamweaver with WebGUI?19:25
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@rizendoes anyone here know how to use the getLineageIterator method?21:19
@apeironrizen, It returns a subref that returns references when invoked.21:27
@rizenthanks, just figured it out21:27
@rizenis the best practice for calling sub refs still &$ref;21:27
@rizenor is there a better way?21:28
@apeironhmm, I would go with $ref->();21:28
@rizenthanks apeiron21:29
@apeironFirst section of chapter 11 in PBP says to deref with arrows.21:29
@rizenthere, now WebGUI::Crud has tests21:30
* apeiron cheers21:32
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+perlDreamernice tests, rizen01:00
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+perlDreamerhave you checked coverage yet?01:00
@rizenno01:01
@rizenhow good is it?01:05
@rizenor how bad01:05
@rizeni couldn't think of any more tests to that i could write with the base class01:06
@rizenreally need a subclass to give it a good run01:06
+perlDreameryeah01:07
+perlDreamerthe tests look solid01:07
+perlDreamerand they clean up after themselves01:07
@rizenyay...i didn't suck for once01:07
+perlDreamerWell, just this time01:07
@rizeni said for once01:07
@rizenam i back in your good graces then oh god of webgui testing?01:10
+perlDreamerI have invoked Devel::Cover and will now read the bones01:10
+perlDreamerThe bones say....01:11
@rizeni just realized something, i forgot to add something to the tests01:11
@rizenbetter add it quick01:11
+perlDreamerNeed to check exception handling01:11
@rizennope, that's not it01:11
@rizenbut that should be a good test01:11
+perlDreamerthere are no Shawshank quotes in the test01:12
+perlDreamerand some subroutines are only tested in passing, rather than directly01:12
@rizenexactly01:13
@rizenno shawshank01:13
+perlDreamerI didn't think Devel::Cover would detect that01:13
+perlDreamerThe League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie sucks01:15
@rizenyes it does01:17
@rizeni want to go see Eagle Eye today, even though it's going to suck01:17
khenn_I just saw Clone Wars with Matthew and it sucked01:18
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@rizeni have now fulfilled the requirements that all tests must have01:20
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7664 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (23 files in 7 dirs): Lots of changes - almost finished15:52
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CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7665 /translations/Farsi/ (162 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server18:33
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snapcount_rizen: you around?19:42
@rizenjust us chickens19:42
snapcount_heh19:42
snapcount_we're going  to move forward19:43
snapcount_I need to get it on our schedule so I won't know when until sometime this week19:43
@rizensweet19:43
@rizenthanks for bringing another company into the fold19:44
snapcount_also want to do online support and buy the other books that don't come with it19:44
snapcount_no need to thank me... your company makes a great product19:44
snapcount_if I didn't know it would save us a shit ton of money I wouldn't do it19:44
snapcount_but it will =)19:44
@rizenindeed19:45
@rizenbut thanks anyway19:45
snapcount_if this goes the way I expect19:46
snapcount_we should have a presence at the WUC next year as well19:46
snapcount_and hopefully some community involvement19:46
snapcount_our Perl guys are pretty good19:46
@rizenthat'd be super sweet19:47
@rizenwe're always looking for more community involvement19:47
@rizenso how many people in all will be at these trainings/19:48
snapcount_hmm19:49
snapcount_I'm thinking it will be like 13 or 1419:49
@rizenwow19:50
snapcount_I want everyone in on the first day19:50
snapcount_but the development stuff will be like 7 I think19:50
snapcount_is that too many?19:50
@rizenthat's a lot of developers too...usually when we do on site training for devs it's 2 or 3 at a time19:50
@rizennot necessarily19:51
@rizenjust know that the more people are there the slower it will go19:51
snapcount_sure19:51
@rizenbecause you have to stop and help people19:51
@rizeni did a class at YAPC this year on webgui programming that had 20 peeps in it19:52
@rizenit didn't go very well for some stupid technical reasons that shouldn't have happened19:52
@rizenbut once we got over that then the actual code training part went pretty well19:52
snapcount_cool19:53
snapcount_will you be the one coming down or will you dispatch a minion?19:53
@rizendepends on what the schedule looks like19:54
@rizeni'm trying to send out more minions these days19:54
@rizenbut if they are all busy with client projects19:54
@rizenthen i'll be the one19:54
snapcount_you know what would be really sweet19:54
@rizenwhat?19:55
snapcount_is if I could have you here for the next orlando mongers meeting19:55
snapcount_maybe you could do a presentation?19:55
snapcount_it's the second tuesday of every month19:55
@rizenif the dates of training correlate19:55
@rizenthen sure19:55
@rizenbut flying down just for that19:55
@rizenseems like a big expense19:55
@rizen=)19:55
snapcount_yeah that's what I meant19:56
snapcount_make them overlap19:56
@rizenhow is that going btw?19:56
snapcount_that's like 3 weeks but I might want to get this going sooner19:56
snapcount_very well19:56
@rizendid any of my advice for starting a group help you out?19:56
snapcount_yeah it has19:56
snapcount_we have a core group that always come19:57
snapcount_then new people every once in a while19:57
snapcount_that are less consistent19:57
@rizensounds like madmongers19:57
@rizenthere are about 6 of us that are always there19:57
@rizenand then another 10 or so that come and go19:57
@rizenplus the new peeps19:57
snapcount_we're about that size19:58
snapcount_maybe a little smaller19:58
@rizenyou're also newer19:58
@rizenin time you should grow to be bigger than us19:58
snapcount_true true19:58
@rizencuz orlando is quite a bit bigger than madison19:58
snapcount_we are talking with Larry Wall to keynote Perl Oasis19:58
@rizennice19:59
snapcount_yeah.. very surprised when he responded to my e-mail19:59
snapcount_didn't think he would even reply19:59
snapcount_but something like that would be great for our group19:59
snapcount_TPF gave us blessing so we are working under their guise20:00
snapcount_so hopefully we'll raise some money20:00
snapcount_for them20:00
snapcount_eh20:02
snapcount_Keri is yelling at me to come help her with something20:02
snapcount_ttyl =D20:02
@rizenlater20:03
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7666 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: Added more POD and updated to allow dynamic creation of definitions.20:48
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7667 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: Updated to reflect changes in Crud api20:48
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7668 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: can instanciate with an object that has a session method as well as a session object21:21
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7669 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: fix a typo in the Asset.pm i18n file that I made, twice00:30
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7670 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added constraint based searches to getAll() methods01:58
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7671 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: added more tests for the updated api01:58
@preactionrizen: i just have to mention that the constraints system you added looks like the most elegant solution to the problem of building SQL from a perl datastructure i've seen yet02:03
@preactionthat being said: should those individual key-value pairs be encased in parens? so ( column = value ) AND ( column = value or column = value ) instead of ( column = value AND column = value OR column = value )?02:04
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CIA-39WebGUI: fixed problem with showing other assets' edit forms02:27
CIA-39WebGUI: fixed utility skeleton to be more complete and less annoying02:27
CIA-39WebGUI: added warning message when editing default templates02:27
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elninohello - I need to squash a bad request in the logs: main::[[undef]] - The URL /linkoutside.gif/" was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. - but I don't know how to find it.  Any secrets? is there a way to modify the logger to tell me the url on which this asset was requetsd?06:09
+Radix-wrkyou could create a redirect for that url to send it to your home page06:37
+Radix-wrkor you could use the mod_proxy rules to get it to ignore it if it comes in06:37
+Radix-wrkotherwise, I'd say check the apache logs for the same time as that error message06:38
+Radix-wrkmight give you a clue who is asking for it and where it's coming from06:38
elninoRadix-wrk - oh. didn't think about the apache, logs, but would it be listed? because this is on some page layout, the individual calls to assets in all the little articles on a pagelayout wouldn't necessarily be logged in appache, would they?06:43
elninoI would think that this would be some internal webgui thing...  but that's a good idea. I've been so reliant on webgui I forgot about apache logs. =)06:44
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SDuensinMorning.16:12
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patspamsweet, xbmc is being released cross-platform16:30
ckotilneat16:35
ckotilxbmc for pc needs dvr16:37
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@rizenhello all16:46
+MrHairgreasehowdy!16:47
@rizenwow xbmc looks way cooler than mythtv16:49
@rizenor have i misunderstood, it doesn't seem to have dvr capabilities16:52
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@perlmonkey2howdy howdy16:56
patspamrizen: looking forward to checking out wg::CRUD as soon as i get a chance17:10
@rizenyeah sure you are17:11
@rizenyou hate me, and everything i do17:11
@rizenso i know you'll just rip me to shreds17:11
@rizen=)17:11
patspami do try :)17:11
patspami wear my "che-T" tshirt with pride you know17:12
+MrHairgreaseduring the project I'm working on right now I've thought I should create something like crud, but then you did it already =)17:14
+MrHairgreasewhat forces it to be single table only btw?17:15
+MrHairgreasethe definitions have a tableName field17:15
+MrHairgreaseso I guess you could use that17:15
@rizennice patspam...there are a few people around here wearing them with pride as well17:16
+MrHairgreaseI still have to wash my che-t shirt17:16
@rizenMrHairgrease, the definitions in WebGUI::Crud don't roll up like asset definitions17:16
patspamheh I bet. we should have a "sightings" gallery17:17
@rizenthat's what forces them to be a single table17:17
+MrHairgreaseoh i see17:18
+MrHairgreasethere not array refs17:18
@rizenyou are correct sir17:18
+MrHairgreasethey're*17:18
+MrHairgreasewell having that would be a pretty cool feature17:19
+MrHairgrease/MrPhoneGrease17:19
@rizencool but unnecessarily complicated17:19
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@rizenmethinks17:19
@rizenthe disadvantage to the way it works now is that you cant easily subclass and share the same table as your subclass...but i think that's also a strength...because you can safely subclass *without* sharing the table with the subclass17:20
@rizenpoll: Should WebGUI::Crud automatically track which webgui user is logged in at the time that a record is created / updated17:22
@rizenso instead of just dateCreated you also have a createdBy field17:23
@rizenand in addition to lastUpdated you have lastUpdatedBy17:23
@rizenor is that storing too much unnecessary stuff17:23
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+MrHairgreaseok back17:27
@preactionrizen: unnecessary17:27
@rizenbtw preaction, thanks for the compliment re:constraints17:28
@rizeni was pretty proud of that when i came up with it yesterday17:28
@rizenand to answer your question, it wrappers each constraint in a set of parens that way you can do or based constraints17:29
+MrHairgreaseyeah it works on one table since it rolls all the props into a json string right?17:29
@rizenyou don't want to wrapper each part of the constraint in parens but rather let the developer do that17:29
@preactionyeah, most things i've seen are like SQL::Statement or some big object like [ { column => [ '=', 'value' ] }, 'OR', [ { column => 'value', column => [ '!=', value ] }, "AND", { column => 'value' } ] ]17:30
@rizenMrHairgrease: no, it can dynamically generate tables for you...so if you subclass, you inherit all the old properties, and then just give it a new table name17:30
+MrHairgreasewhat's the re:contraints?17:30
+MrHairgreasewas that on the devlist17:30
@rizenregarding constraints17:31
+MrHairgreasei see17:31
@rizenconstraints are a new feature i added to WebGUI::Crud yesterday17:31
@rizenin the getAll methods17:31
+MrHairgreaseok17:31
+MrHairgreaseI only skimmed the code17:31
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+MrHairgreaseI need to find some time to check it out more thoroughly17:31
@rizenpreaction: i decided that one of the guiding principles of WebGUI has always been that we're not afraid of SQL, so that's why i decided not to do so much encapsulation17:32
@rizenwhich i think just makes the API more complex and ultimately weaker due to its complexity17:32
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@perlmonkey2preaction: why is tracking who the current user is on updates in crud not needed?17:35
@preactionperlmonkey2: because it's not even necessarily valid, and it's an easy addition to the "update" method17:36
@preactionvalid meaning it might be completely useless in the context of the Crud17:36
@perlmonkey2subclass the method as needed?17:36
@preactionWebGUI::Crud is more a framework, yes17:36
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@perlmonkey2but I see your point it might prove a waste more often than it was useful.17:36
+MrHairgreasedoes crud mean something btw?17:37
@preactionCreate, Retrieve, Update, Delete17:37
+MrHairgreaseaha17:37
@preactionit's an acronym for the common database functions17:37
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patspamgoodnight all17:43
+MrHairgreaselater17:43
@perlmonkey2g'night17:43
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@Haargpreaction, re: default templates - are you going to add something to mark upgrade packages as default?17:49
@preactionHaarg: yeah, forgot to add it to the skeleton. i'll do that now.17:50
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juan1i have an article locked by admin18:30
juan1how can delete it?18:30
juan1directly in the database?18:30
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dionakcan you become admin?18:50
dionakit's better to not directly delete from the database18:51
juan1if i try to delete using the admin user, it is not deleted19:01
dionakanything in the webgui log?19:01
+MrHairgreasejuan1: either you are not in the version tag the asset is in19:01
+MrHairgreaseor the asset commit process is pending19:02
+MrHairgreasein the first case go into the correct version tag and try again19:02
+MrHairgreasein the second case, spectre is prolly not running19:02
+MrHairgreaseor hanging somehow19:02
+MrHairgreasein that case, stop spectre and then run it manually in debug mode19:03
+MrHairgreaseit'll tell you what it's doming19:03
+MrHairgreasedoing*19:03
+MrHairgreaseyou run it in debug mode like this19:03
+MrHairgreasecd /data/WebGUI/sbin19:04
+MrHairgreaseperl spectre.pl --run --debug19:04
CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7673 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl: removed debug message from upgrade script19:11
juan1i ran the spectre in debug mode, i am noticed something strange becuase all the instaced are executed but are not eliminated19:21
+MrHairgreasethat could either be because ther is something wrong with your instances19:21
+MrHairgreaseor19:21
+MrHairgreasemaybe those instances are waiting19:21
+MrHairgreasethe debug mode should tell you19:22
+MrHairgreasealso if you set your log level to INFO, a lot of information is dumped to the log file19:22
+MrHairgreasealso test whether spectre can connect19:22
+MrHairgreaseto do that19:23
+MrHairgreasefirst start spectre as a daemon19:23
+MrHairgreasethen run perl spectre --test from sbin19:23
juan1ok19:30
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juan1i have another problem19:40
juan1when a user is logged in, suddenly is log out from the system19:41
juan1the users is navigating the site and sometimes appear logout19:42
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+perlDreamerHaarg, the macro.t test is segfaulting on the Infinite macro test19:59
juan1 i have another problem20:07
juan1when a user is logged in, suddenly is log out from the system20:08
juan1the users is navigating the site and sometimes appear logout20:08
juan1i don't know what is happening20:08
@khennanyone know what the opposite of the interesection of a set is called?20:13
@khennany math geeks out there ? =)20:13
+perlDreamerdifference20:14
+perlDreamerdifference probably isn't correct20:18
+perlDreameryou should ask diakopter20:19
@khennyeah that's not it20:19
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+perlDreamerWell, according to perlfaq4, it's the symmetric difference. All numbers in A or B, but not in both.20:21
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+perlDreamerWell, according to perlfaq4, it's the symmetric difference. All numbers in A or B, but not in both.20:21
@khennhmm20:25
@khennI guess that's not what I'm lookiing for20:25
@khennI'm looking for all the numbers in B that are not in A20:25
+perlDreamerI don't think there's a simple definition for that.20:26
@khennyeah20:26
+perlDreamerLet's make one :)20:26
@preactionyou want to reduce B by the intersection of B and A20:27
@khennyes20:27
@preactionalso, why do you need to know what it's called? if it's not in List::Util or List::MoreUtils, there's probably not a pre-made algorithm for it20:27
@khennbut somehow the method reductionOfGroupByInersectionOfTheseTwoGroups()20:28
@khenndoesn't seem to make sense20:28
@preactionremoveItems( from, toRemove )20:30
@khennI'm creating a method that will accept two groups (A and B)20:31
@khennA and B  that is20:31
@khennand add all the users in B that are not in A20:31
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@khennand I need a decent method name for that20:32
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carograyanyone up for answering some ?s about rss feed coming from collarobation system?20:34
@tavistookay.. perlmonkey2 has wiki fame20:44
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7675 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: fix POD spacing issues with Crud20:45
CIA-39WebGUI: chrisn * r7676 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 20:45
CIA-39WebGUI: add the epochDate field to the CS RSS template. now users can use ^D(); to20:45
CIA-39WebGUI: create a custom date format.20:45
+perlDreamertavisto, you are the Master of Marketing20:56
+perlDreamerYou're marketing WebGUI's marketing abilities20:56
+perlDreamerhttp://use.perl.org/~markjugg/journal/3750920:57
@tavistono, but I am trying to get WebGUI into the hands of the CIO for Greenpeace International.20:57
+perlDreamerthat's good20:57
@apeironM::S is yummydelish and backed by fast fast XS. :D21:02
@apeiron(well, it uses Devel::Declare internally, and that's XS)21:02
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@HaargperlDreamer, the macro test is segfaulting for you?21:15
+perlDreameryes21:16
+perlDreamerand both sets of smoke tests21:17
@preactionyou segfaulted my boxen?!21:17
@Haargcan you try setting the max levels of recursion lower?21:18
+perlDreamerwill do, in a little while21:18
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+perlDreamerHaarg: I set it to 8 and it passed21:30
+perlDreamer# Looks like you planned 33 tests but only ran 32.21:30
+perlDreamer# Looks like you failed 7 tests of 32 run.21:30
@Haarghrm.  everything passes here.21:34
@Haargcan you pastebin the output of prove -v t/Macro.t?21:35
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+perlDreamerokay, the test failures were due to my config file getting nuked during the segfault21:39
+perlDreamerNow I get: # Looks like you planned 33 tests but only ran 32.21:40
+perlDreamerMacro.t passes with 16 and 32 levels of recursion21:40
+perlDreamerthat could be an available memory issue with this machine21:41
+perlDreamerafter a db reset, I can't get it to segfault anymore21:41
+perlDreamerAll I get is the mismatch number of tests21:42
@Haargno mismatch here21:43
+perlDreamerargh21:44
sandraquhello21:45
+perlDreamerI must need a break21:45
+perlDreamerI commented out the infinite macro test21:45
+perlDreamerI'm going to put this down for a while and go run21:45
sandraquany willing WebGUI guru volunteer?21:46
sandraqudon't everybody jump at once21:46
+MrHairgreasesandraqu: if you don't post your question you can be sure nobody will jump =)21:48
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* apeiron jumps21:49
sandraquQuestion ...21:50
@apeiron(don't mind me, I'm just playing devil's advocate)21:50
sandraquPut up a CS system and adding .rss to CS url gives error21:50
sandraquas if, no page found.21:50
sandraquRss is enabled in CS properties, and Default Rss template selected21:50
sandraquwhere else may i look to solve my problema?21:51
@preactionsandraqu: make sure there's an RSS From Parent asset inside your collab system21:52
@preactioni think there was a known bug about that a while back21:52
@preactionwhat version are you running?21:52
sandraqu7.5.2221:53
sandraqui'll look into RSS From Parent21:54
sandraqubrilliant!21:57
sandraqupreaction - thank you.  i was adding the .rss to the 'incorrect' url21:57
sandraqumy error was that i was adding .rss to the URL of the CS thread listing, rather than to the RSS from Parent asset's URL21:58
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7677 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add the new CS epochDate template variable to the help system21:59
@apeironperlDreamer, Thanks...22:00
* apeiron blushes22:00
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+perlDreamerapeiron, we all watch one another's backs23:07
@apeironperlDreamer, Thanks again. :)23:07
+perlDreamerhttp://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/SSzOaKaUcL0/article.pl23:08
@apeironGood idea gone wrong, it seems.23:22
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7678 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Shop.pm: Update from translation server23:39
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@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: seems like password recovery might be the only thing relevant to WG.23:50
@perlmonkey2Other than that, anything that gets more people using encryption can't be all bad.23:51
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I took a step back, got my stuff together and started rerunning the macro test.01:52
+perlDreamerfor me, it fails between 16 and 32 levels of recursion01:52
+perlDreamerwhere fail = Segmentation fault01:52
@preactionit shouldn't even be possible to segfault...01:53
@preactionyou said the smoke box did it too?01:53
+perlDreamerthere are failures on Macro.t on both smoke tests, but I don't know if they're the same or not.01:54
@preactionyeah, looks like it might've segfaulted, it says it only ran 14 tests, so if test 15 is that one...01:55
+perlDreamerit is01:55
+perlDreamerI've always respected Haarg, but knowing that he can segfault perl on command brings my respect to entirely new levels.01:59
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carograyHi - is there a way for a thread in the collaboration system use a different 'style template' than the collaboration system itself?02:24
carograycollaboration system style template has navigation in left column, would like thread to be content all alone without left column, left column is in style template02:25
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@perlmonkey2Anyone know what type of coffee maker rizen has?04:01
@preactionone of those one-cup things04:19
@preactionoh... you want to buy one04:20
@perlmonkey2yeah, trying to remember the brand and perhaps the model.04:21
@preactionlet me poke around, i'll know it if i see it04:22
@preactionKeurig looks like the brand04:24
@preactionlooks like it's the Keurig Special Edition, but that's $150... i don't see JT spending that on a coffee maker04:26
@perlmonkey2nice04:32
@perlmonkey2but that is quite steep for a coffee maker04:32
@perlmonkey2But that is certainly it04:32
+Radix-wrkonly $150?04:34
+Radix-wrkguy I used to work with picked up one for home use that was on special and was $140004:34
@preactionuh... wat?04:34
@preactionwas it Keurig? or was it one of the commercial ones?04:35
+Radix-wrkno idea which one it was.. but had an electric grinder and everything04:35
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@perlmonkey2looks like it is about a buck per coffee shot too.04:36
@preactionyeah, it's not a cheap system04:37
@perlmonkey2But per shot convenience is hard to beat.04:37
@perlmonkey2Plus you can wow guests :P04:38
nubaobviously it does that to a great effect04:38
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CIA-41WebGUI: frank * r7679 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/form.js: added getFormValue method which accepts an HTML element or id and returns the value of the field regardless of it's type12:18
CIA-41WebGUI: frank * r7680 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added isAdHocMailGroup flag which can be used to build temporary groups of users to send notifications to. Once the users have been added to the mail queue in WebGUI::Mail::send, the group is deleted.12:18
CIA-41WebGUI: translation * r7681 /translations/Spanish/ (notes.txt Spanish/Shop.pm): Update from translation server12:18
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carograyWhen anyone gets up, I am getting an error "invalid user name" when I try to add more than one email address in the "to" field of my email a friend form. http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7c784519 to see templated to and cc fields13:38
carograyto see error: http://www.masslegalhelp.org/tell-a-friend-form13:42
BartJolcarogray: I don't think the form splits the input, so multiple adresses give an error. 13:56
BartJolbut therefore I would have to  look at the code and unfortunately I don'y have that much time right now13:57
carograyI asked Haarg about this a few days ago and he thought we could enter multiple email addresses...ok 13:57
carograydon't worry I am around all day. I can wait for some of those midwesterners to get up. thanks13:58
BartJolHaarg knows more about it than me, but he can be mistaken, even he does not know all WebGUI code14:01
ryuu_rocarogray: I just checked the code and to me it looks like only one e-mail address is allowed14:04
ryuu_roit checks if the e-mail address matches   someone@somewhere14:05
carograyryuu_ro: that's what I thought is there a way to allow more than one14:05
ryuu_rowell what you can do altough I don't recommend it is altering the emailCheck.js in the WebGUI extras dir14:06
carograythinking...14:07
ryuu_roor write your own form plugin? In that case you don't have to change the WebGUI code14:07
ryuu_rothat's the better solution I think14:07
carograyHA!14:07
ryuu_roand it's quite easy to do14:07
carograyI am not a programmer by any stretch14:07
ryuu_rook, that's a bit of a problem then :)14:08
carograyyep....I mean being able to send the page to more than one person at a time is a nice feature, but not as critical I think as getting a copy of the page and message you sent to someone else sent to yourself as well14:09
carograyI have used up the cc field by attempting to use the FormParameter macro with the from field 14:09
carograyI just need to ask them to turn this macro on for our server/website14:10
carograythanks for your ideas ryuu_ro14:10
ryuu_rono problemo, good luck with it!14:10
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patspamhola!16:04
@khennmorning16:04
@khennwho added the new stuff with Module::Find in preload.perl?16:05
@khennI guess svn blame would have the answer for me16:05
@khenngraham16:09
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SDuensinGreetings.16:21
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@bopbopdo, I'm dropping my son off at school this morning, and you know how that is- cars, parent and kids everywhere17:09
@bopbopand my son wants to race down the sidewalk17:09
@bopbopso we start running17:09
@bopbopand the drawstring on my pants came undone17:09
@bopbopyou can use your imagination from there17:09
diakoptertripped on your drawers and faceplanted; blood everywhere?17:11
@bopbopwell, luckily not that bad- but they did fall to about my knees17:11
@bopbopI'm just not sure how one recovers some dignity after that17:11
@bopbopbut your version would have been better :)17:11
diakopterdepends on whether or not you were wearing underclothing, I suppose.  and if so, whether or not it was superhero-themed printed.17:12
@bopboplol17:13
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dionakwe're running 7.5.20-stable and text::csv_xs 0.52. when i try to export tab delimited data from a data form, i'm getting an error, can't call method exportTab. Root cause: Usage: Text::CSV_XS::print(self, io, fields). has anyone else seen this or reported a bug?17:39
dionakdidn't see anything from a search on webgui.org17:39
@Haargthere was two bugs with that i believe17:39
@Haargwhich have both been fixed17:39
dionakah, i see. r7392. is this in the latest stable?17:41
@Haargyeah17:41
dionakthanks Haarg17:42
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SDuensinAnybody know if anyone has ever made any kind of API for WebGUI to allow development of external management tools?17:43
@Haargwhat kind of management?17:43
SDuensinWell, I saw a FUSE module once upon a time for directly accessing assets.  That would be very handy.  Dunno, really.  Just brainstorming on how to make working with WebGUI easier.17:44
SDuensinThere's a few things it does that confuse me.  I'm sure there's good design reasons for them.  :-)17:45
SDuensinLike new macros and WObjects.  It'd be nice to be able to just drop them in and have it discover them.  You could even make them uploadable from the admin screens.  Or get an RSS feed of available ones and just click to install.17:46
SDuensinI have plans for using a TON of WebGUI soon.  It's got me thinking.  :-)17:47
@Haargdoug is acutally working on an api based asset install system17:48
@preactionSDuensin: macros need the config file so it knows how to refer to them. the "c_companyName" macro is just called with ^c;17:48
SDuensinpreaction - Yea, but why not package that knowledge and automate it?  (I know, "why" is "time".)17:48
@preactionbecause the macro doesn't know how it should be called, the administrator of the box does17:49
@Haargthose would both be reasonable things to add to the wre, but as you say there is always the time factor17:49
SDuensinpreaction - I understand that, but really, how many people change the default macro names?17:50
SDuensinHopefully, if my evil plans work out, I'll have *gasp* time to *gasp* contribute to WebGUI.17:50
SDuensin(At last!)17:50
@preactionthere could be a macro installer that could do the same as my asset installer17:50
SDuensinYup.17:51
SDuensinAnyway, just brain dumping.  WebGUI rocks.  I want to use it for everything.17:54
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carogray1hi - just making sure I am right in assuming that email form will not take more than one email address. ryuu_ro this morning was pretty sure it wouldn't. He said " it looks like only one e-mail address is allowed"18:10
carogray1said I could alter the emailcheck.js in WebGUI extras dir, but recommended writing a plug in instead18:11
carogray1of course I can't write plugin18:12
@rizenSDuensin: i won't allow anyone to upload code to the server and execute it through webgui18:12
@rizenthat's just plain dangerous18:12
@rizenso the web interface idea is out18:12
@rizennot saying we couldn't make it easier for admins through some sort of tool18:13
@rizenbut that's for the server admins, not the site admins18:13
carogray1so shall I just accept the one email address limit in the mail a friend form? or might there be some other solution18:13
carogray1I'll wait til someone has a sec 18:13
@Haargone option is to change it to a normal text field18:13
@rizencarogray1: i recommend creating a distribution list instead of adding the multiple email addresses to the form18:14
carogray1Haarg: you talking to me?18:14
@Haargyeah18:14
carogray1distribution list wouldn't work - this is for people looking at our site who want to share legal information with someone else i.e. BBC.co. uk tell a friend, NYT share this article etc.18:15
@rizenoh i see18:15
carogray1If I were to do a text field...good lord, how on earth would I make it email and do all it's magic?18:15
carogray1its magic sorry, I hate ' in the wrong places18:16
@Haargthe fact that it is an email field doesn't actually change how it works18:16
@Haargif it was a text field it would get used to send email just the same18:17
@preactionjust the name of the field is important18:17
@Haargyeah18:17
carogray1aah... Ok I am going to try it!!18:17
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SDuensinrizen - Yea, I know it's dangerous.  It wouldn't be available to people in the "Stupid" group.18:20
@rizenwall, allowing it puts you and me in the stupid group18:20
@rizens/wall/well/18:20
SDuensinNo, because you and I would have the key to allow it.  Minions below us don't get that right.18:20
carogray1oops!18:21
@rizenthe answer is no18:21
carogray1disappeared from mail form all together!18:21
SDuensinYou realize WebGUI is one of the few that don't allow that kind of thing?  Just sayin'.18:21
@Haargthat may be a templating issue carogray118:21
@Haargextending the wre console to handle that kind of thing would make more sense that putting it into webgui18:22
@rizenSDuensin: that is not a reason to do it18:22
carogray1yep, checked it. It shows up in the defaul mailform template...18:22
@rizenSDuensin: in fact, the only ones i know that do it are written in PHP, and their intelligence is suspect for that reason alone18:23
SDuensinhehe18:23
@rizenSDuensin: besides, you're forgetting that WebGUI is a server wide system. uploading it on a single site puts the code into memory for all sites18:24
SDuensinI know that.  It'd be a tool for the server dude.  Not sub-minions.18:25
sandraquany server gurus in the house?  i have DNS questions18:26
@preactionperlbot ask18:27
perlbotDon't ask to ask, just ask.18:27
@rizenSDuensin: but you said it would be through the web interface. 18:27
sandraqu:]  right.  I have a website fully hosted at... plainblack18:27
BartJolmove to procolix :)18:27
* rizen threatens to murder BartJol where he stands18:28
BartJolmmm18:28
SDuensinrizen - Yea, right.  We have a web interface, may as well use it.18:28
BartJolok than not, but some healthy competition doesn't harm18:28
sandraqui also have the very URL sitting like a good duckie at DH.  I want to access and use subdomains like duckie.mydomain.org from DH.  How can I do that if (a) the IP at DH is shared, (b) I have more than one subdomain18:28
@perlmonkey2I hear Procolix doesn't even use US timezones, so how could they host a website properly :P18:28
BartJolyeah, but at night your site would be great18:29
@rizenSDuensin: and i just said I will never allow upload of code through the web interface. if you add it there, someone will abuse it, and then webgui sites all over will start getting hacked, and who are they going to blame? not the stupid admin that allowed his users to upload code, they'll blame webgui for being an insecure app18:29
@perlmonkey2BartJol: Did you ever track down your miscreant i18n tagger?18:29
BartJolnope18:29
BartJolcan't get in your access logs18:30
BartJolso that will be hard18:30
@preactionsandraqu: you just point your subdomain to the DH IP address18:30
@rizenwhat is DH?18:30
* SDuensin guesses "murder BartJol where he stands" answers his question about PlainBlack partnering with people. :-P18:30
@perlmonkey2BartJol: I thought the data was sent to you first and then you uploaded it to WG?  18:30
SDuensinrizen - "Can't fix stupid."  :-P18:30
sandraquDH - DreamHost18:30
BartJoltoo much trouble, I would be terrorized18:30
sandraqupreaction - we did, and oldduckie.mydomain.org is still showing18:31
BartJolperlmonkey2: no, it was jsut filled in in the web interface, and I pressed the commit to svn link18:31
BartJoldidn't know it was changed18:31
@preactionsandraqu: what's the actual domain name?18:32
sandraqui looked at the DNS info in DH and oldduckie has an IP ending in 37, and duckie ends in 122.  right now we are pointing 37 to both oldduckie and duckie18:32
@perlmonkey2heh, maybe someone should grep the i18n for pr0n-ish sounding words.18:32
sandraqumlri.org18:32
sandraquoldduckie - drupal.mlri.org18:32
sandraquduckie - wiki.mlri.org18:32
BartJolwell, now I will check it before I will place a tarball on a site18:33
BartJolbut that's only Dutch18:33
@preactionsandraqu: and when did you change the DNS?18:33
BartJolbut, I have to go for dinner now18:33
sandraqupre - Monday.  it's been enough time18:34
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@preactionperlbot math 86400 / 60 / 60 / 2418:34
perlbot118:34
sandraquoh comon18:34
@preactionsandraqu: i'd talk with onecommunications.net and ask them what's going on18:34
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sandraqupre.. no.. it was last week sometime18:37
sandraqulike Friday18:37
@rizensandraqu: this sounds like a question for dreamhost support18:41
sandraqurizen - ah... i have asked.  this is why i sought a DNS guru18:41
sandraquhoping to find a quicker answer18:42
@rizenin that case, may i recommend the #DNS channel?18:42
carogray1Haarg: this is what I have for my 'to' field http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7c784519. In the default template it's in the loop. so what is making it disappear when I change it to a text field?18:42
sandraqurizen - yes18:42
@rizennot trying to get rid of you, i just don't think we know how to help you18:43
sandraquhmm18:43
sandraqui have to figure out how to land there18:43
@rizentype /join #DNS18:43
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7683 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added complex order by controls18:45
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7684 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: updated to match api18:45
sandraquthanks... tho18:45
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carogray1is Haarg stil there or preaction?19:11
@Haargyeah19:11
@preactioncarogray1: just ask the channel your question19:11
carogray1sorry I was waiting and may have gotten lost in the queue19:12
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carogray1I changed the to field to a text fiend and it disappeared in mytemplate19:12
carogray1it still shows up in thed efaul form template though.19:12
carogray1My template for the to field is  http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7c78451919:13
carogray1also I don't seem to have recieved the test emails I sent once I changed the to field to a text field and used the default emai form19:14
@Haargwhat version are you using?19:15
carogray1 7.5.2219:15
@Haargit may be best if you post this on the support boards19:16
@Haargi think you hit a bug in the dataform code19:16
carogray1also seems to be running v. slow, wonder if that's cause I have the form parameter macro 19:16
carogray1yep, I can post in support boards - you want it in plain black or webGUI?19:17
carogray1and the thing I am  posting is....email to field won't accept more than one email address, or it disappears when I put it in as a text field, or it doesn't mail when I chnage it to a text field?19:19
@Haargplain black support19:19
@Haargbasically, when you set it to text, i think it renamed it19:20
@Haargwhich is why it isn't sending/showing up19:20
carogray1it does show up in WebGUI default mail form template19:20
carogray1just not my template19:21
carogray1oh but my template is looking for the specific name 19:21
carogray1right?19:21
@Haargyep19:21
@Haargso i can help you resolve the bug issue on the support boards19:21
carogray1and default template doesn't send cause if it's renamed it doesn't recognize a 'to' field?19:21
@Haargyeah19:21
carogray1ok doke. I will do my best and hope you will recognize my post.19:21
@Haargi will :)19:22
carogray1For now I am going back to my template and only entering one email address then I will post on plain black support board - by the way, do you know if you have enabled the Form Parameter macro for us and would that be slowing down our tell a friend form whether enabled or not?19:23
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+perlDreamerrizen: Are you loving testing yet?19:24
@rizenpd, i will never love testing19:24
@rizeni love that it tells me when i break something19:24
@rizenbut i don't love writing tests19:24
+perlDreamerHow about just liking it really strongly? ;)19:24
@rizeni think i'll have to leave that love for you19:24
@rizen=)19:24
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CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7685 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 19:48
CIA-39WebGUI: fixed: HttpProxy parser now handles self-closing tags correctly19:48
CIA-39WebGUI: fixed: HttpProxy parser now only rewrites forms when also rewriting URLs19:48
CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7686 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting 768519:48
@preactionanyone here familiar with WebGUI::HTML->cleanSegment and can tell me if changing it so that is also preserves <link> tags would be a bad idea?20:12
@preactionit has an option for "preserve style and script", but it neglects <link rel="stylesheet">, which is how most style is done20:13
@rizenthat shouldn't hurt anything20:13
@preactioni mean, it seems to work, i just worry that it might cause problems if the linked stylesheet happens to override some of the site's stylesheets20:14
@preactionbut then again, so would <style>20:14
@Haargthe only issue i can see is that <link> tags inside the page body are invalid, but we ignore that elsewhere20:15
@preactionso are <style> tags for that matter20:15
@preactionactually, link in the page body isn't invalid. but rel="stylesheet" might be20:17
@preactionnm, you're right20:18
juani have the next error with my spectre20:28
juanhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m5724222c20:28
juanbesides i am noticed that spectre is consuming a lot memory from my server20:29
CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7687 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: WebGUI::HTML->cleanSegment now keeps <link> when preserving script and style20:50
CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r7688 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): backporting 768720:50
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@perlmonkey2which object has the best drag and drop interface?  I want to see if I have time to replace mine.21:08
@preactionmaybe Thingy? dunno21:08
@perlmonkey2Everyone else agree Thingy is as good as it gets?21:08
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7689 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: fix bad regexp for workflowId in logged warning21:27
dionakif i import a package that contains urls that already exist, what happens? does the package import? or does it update existing assets?21:41
dionakfrom the debug output, it appears to do the later21:41
@preactionit doesn't go by URL, it goes by asset ID21:44
@preactionif the url already exists, it changes the url, as per fixUrl21:44
dionakit seems to be finding a match for the asset based on a json file.21:46
dionakhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m64f46e4821:46
@preactiondionak: see lines 7 and 10? those are getting the asset by assetId21:47
dionakyes, i do see that. i'm also looking at line 5 21:48
dionakthe json represents an assetId21:48
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dionakwe're serving multiple sites from one wg instance. we've created a structure for each site for the convenience of the client. theoretically, they could import this package and create a new site but it doesn't appear to work  that way. 21:49
dionakit looks like existing assets are getting updated21:49
dionaki see it has nothing to do with url but i'm not versed in the importPackage code21:50
@preactiondionak: the json doesn't represent an asset ID. the file name is a lineage, but it's not used21:50
@preactionyou can't import the package to create a new site, you could deploy the package to create a new site though21:50
@preactionthe func should be WebGUI::AssetPackage::www_deployPackage21:51
dionakso in order to deploy, it has to be a package. how would a user deploy the package? is there an interface?21:54
dionaklooking at demo site..21:54
@preactiona user without Turn Admin On? they wouldn't21:57
@preactionotherwise in the Admin accordian, clicking on the package name in the Packages tab deploys it21:58
dionakit doesn't even turn up in the Packages tab. that was what brought this to my attention.21:59
dionakhere's an example. export an existing page layout as a package and download it. then try to upload the package. it doesn't turn up in the Packages tab.22:00
@preactionuh... why would it? it's already there, no?22:02
dionaki guess technically, it is, but it was just unexpected behavior. now that we can copy descendants, i think i can go another route but the original idea was to be able to package a site as a 'prototype'. 22:03
dionakalso, with no message, it looked like it wasn't working22:04
dionaki'll submit an rfe for a message22:04
dionaklooks like you can't copy descendants of a folder...hm22:05
juan1i have an error with spectre22:29
juan1http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5724222c22:29
juan1besides i am noticed that spectre is consuming a lot memory from my server22:29
juan1if i shutdown spectre memory is lower again22:29
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BerndperlDreamer: Hey Colin, I just followed your advice generating JSON in templates for testing.23:09
BerndWorks like a charm!23:09
+perlDreamercool :)23:09
BerndHowever, I am still stuck with querying pages such that the user I pretend to be is adder to the userSession table.23:10
BerndAny idea how to do that?23:10
BerndI mean during testing?23:10
BerndI found WebGUI::Test->getPage().23:11
BerndBut it does not seem to be what I am looking for.23:11
@HaargperlDreamer, what did you end up finding out about the macro recursion issue?23:12
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@Haargi'm going to try to adjust the test to fail more gracefully i think23:14
+perlDreamerHaarg, the magic number is between 16 and 32 on my box23:15
@Haargi would be ok with limiting it at 1623:15
@Haargwhat are your specs?23:15
+perlDreamerP3 500 MHz23:16
+perlDreamer512 MBytes23:16
+perlDreamerFC623:16
BerndOK, maybe someone else can help me with that.23:16
BerndHow can I query an arbitrary webgui page from within a testing function.23:17
+perlDreamergetPage is the way to do that23:17
+perlDreamerto do it as another user, don't you set the user in the session object?23:17
BerndYes, I do.23:17
BerndBut I don't understand how to use getPage.23:17
BerndThere is only one example in .... I forgot.23:18
BerndLet me check again.23:18
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BerndIt was Adspace.t23:19
@preactiongetPage is used elsewhere too23:19
+perlDreamerI don't see getPage being used in AdSpace.t23:19
@preactionit also has documentation23:19
@preactionOperation/AdSpace.t probably23:19
BerndI have pasted it to pastebin23:20
BerndIt is there in 7.423:20
+perlDreamerBernd, that's Operation/AdSpace.t, yes?23:20
BerndRight!23:20
+perlDreamerOkay, I was looking in t/AdSpace.t, not t/Operation/AdSpace.t23:20
BerndI assume, I have to create an asset and then call getPage to query that asset. Correct?23:21
@preactionBernd: yes23:21
BerndWill that cause the user I pretend to be to be listed in the userSession table?23:21
BerndIf not, it is not going to work.23:21
@preactionBernd: yes23:22
BerndGood!23:22
@preactionit's exactly like a normal request, minus HTTP headers23:22
@preactiont/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/view.t23:22
@preactiont/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/comment.t23:22
@preactionthose are two other places that getPage is used23:22
BerndOne last question: Which asset would you recommend for testing. And which www method should I call?23:22
@preactionare you testing a macro?23:23
BerndThanks, preaction!23:23
BerndYes.23:23
@preactionthen don't use getPage at all23:23
Bernd:-(23:23
@preactionopen a new session with the right user and use WebGUI::Macro::process (i think)23:23
BerndOk, let us start from the beginning.23:23
BerndWhy not use getPage?23:24
BerndI am not using getPage to obtain the macro output.23:24
@preactionbecause getPage is for testing WebGUI's HTML methods23:24
BerndI just want users to be included in the userSession table.23:24
BerndMaybe I should add that I want to test the UsersOnline macro.23:24
BerndIt is for displaying active users.23:25
BerndTherefore I am trying to generate active users.23:25
BerndWill it work?23:25
+perlDreamerYes.23:25
+perlDreamerYou have to know how to get them entries in the userSession table23:25
BerndGreat! Thank you both.23:25
BerndperlDreamer, what do you mean?23:26
BerndOr was that just confirmative?23:26
@preactionBernd: if you open a new session with the user's userId, it will add an entry to userSession for them23:26
@preactionsee lib/WebGUI/Session/Var.pm23:26
BerndOK, that sounds even easier.23:27
BerndI am going to have a look at it.23:27
+perlDreamerBernd, create several sessions, one for each user.  After the session is created, set the session to use that user's Id.23:28
+perlDreamerthat will do the job23:28
BerndOk, back to work...23:28
BerndI will let you know how far I got.23:28
juan1preaction, can you help me with a spectre error?23:53
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doc777Hello friends. I have an issue where a page is hogging 2 urls. Had a page named config.xml and renamed it to sitemap.xml and now it answers to both... If you try and create config.xml now it is named config2.xml.  Cleared the cache and restarted apache....  any ideas?00:01
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@preactiondoc777: use the Change URL function, or delete the old revisions of that asst00:02
doc777Ah! Thank you preaction.00:03
juan1i have the next error in the spectre00:03
juan1ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[983] - CRON: Response for job www.colegiosvirtuales.com.conf-MZ7FLvsbrSXZgqfMo0VGzQ had a communications error. <HTML>00:04
juan1and the next value MZ7FLvsbrSXZgqfMo0VGzQ is an entry the workflowschedule table00:05
juan1what can i do?00:10
BerndperlDreamer, preaction: It works, it works, it works!00:14
BerndI am so excited.00:14
BerndCheck the code in the pastebin if you like.00:14
BerndI did it exactly the way you described.00:14
BerndPerl is such a great language.00:14
+perlDreamerBernd, which pastebin are you using?00:21
BerndThis one: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d567e2d7e00:21
BerndNot there?00:21
+perlDreamerIt's there00:21
+perlDreameri see a setupUser subroutine00:22
BerndExactly.00:22
+perlDreameryou should not need to create a Session::Var yourself00:22
+perlDreameropening the session should do that00:22
BerndThere the user is created, fields are set and then user session is created.00:22
BerndThat means I can drop line 13?00:23
+perlDreameryes00:23
BerndEven better.00:23
BerndBut enough for today.00:23
BerndWe are approaching midnight already.00:23
BerndGood night!00:23
+perlDreamerYou are in Europe?00:23
BerndYes, Germany.00:23
+perlDreamerSerh gutt00:23
BerndAlmost ;-)00:24
@preactionjuan1: private message without asking is extremely rude. no, i can not help you. there are support options offered by Plain Black or other companies if your problem is urgent and you cannot fix it.00:24
BerndGute Nacht.00:24
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juan1preaction, i have asked several times here about my problem00:30
@preactionjuan1: that doesn't mean we're obliged to answer, nor that you can target me specifically. there are etiquette guidelines to IRC help channels, and one of them is don't private message or address someone without permission00:31
juan1ok00:33
juan1i am sorry00:33
juan1i did not know that guidelines00:34
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+perlDreamerpreaction, I owe you an apology, too00:58
+perlDreamerI should have mentioned it when he asked for who else might help00:58
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@preactionperlDreamer: don't worry about it. been an IRC helpdesk for years, gently admonishment of etiquette violation is a way of life01:28
+perlDreamerI don't understand why they don't buy a support contract and get some real help.01:33
+perlDreamerBecause they seem to need it.01:33
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@Haargwe really do need some better diagnostics in spectre01:37
@Haargthose fake 500 errors are really annoying01:37
@preactionyeah, the LWP errors are essentially useless01:37
+perlDreamerthey're fake?01:37
@Haargif it can't fine the server01:37
@Haargit gives you a 500 error and generates some html for it too01:38
@Haarg*find01:38
+perlDreamerso they could be configuration problems01:39
@preactionor a bunch of other things, but what they are not is a 500 error01:40
carograystill on email a friend form... I think this is the last little detail now that I have settled on emailing only one friend at a time....01:43
carograycan I put any code in this IRC or do I always have to use the WebGUI pastebin?01:43
+perlDreameralways use the pastebin01:43
carograyokey doke01:43
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+perlDreameruntil rizen gets here01:43
@rizenssssh he's here01:44
+perlDreamerwho?01:44
@rizenhim01:45
@rizenthe guy01:45
+perlDreameroh01:45
+perlDreamer_that_ guy?01:45
@rizenindeed01:45
+perlDreameryou think he'd get the idea and just bug off01:45
@rizeni've decided webgui crud is crap01:45
@rizenand i'm scraping it01:45
+perlDreamerbut all your hours and hours01:45
+perlDreamerof test writing would be put to waste!01:46
nubawhat? webgui is crude crap???01:46
@rizenmost of the hours are for test writing is crap anyway, cuz i did it, and i suck at it01:46
@rizenwhat do you guys think of building an interface class that all other classes must inherit from01:46
+perlDreamerI thought that was Crud?01:47
@rizenno, that's only if it's backed by a db01:47
@rizeni mean something that works for everything01:47
+perlDreamerwhat would it provide?01:47
+perlDreamerWhat problem does it solve?01:47
@rizenit would provide nothing except an interface01:47
@rizenthe interface would be the following methods:01:48
@rizencreate, update, new, getId, get01:48
@rizenthe problem it solves is that every object would have a standard signature (which is something asked for in PBP)01:49
@rizenand therefore would be easier for people to learn webgui objects, because all objects would work the same way01:49
carograyI used http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7ecb5b5c in my email a friend form before we upgraded to 7.5.22 and it worked, it made "go back" a link to the URL that went back to the page I was sending. Now it 01:49
carograyNow it gives me: http://www.masslegalhelp.org/health-mental-health">go back 01:49
carograyin the acknowledgement and email01:49
carograyis it because the value is an http that the template simply turns that into a link now>01:50
carogray?01:50
carograyhow can I surround the Go back with an a href tag so it simply says, "go back" and the go back is the link?01:51
carograyI think even if I used our newly enabled:) Form Parameter macro, I would still have the same problem?01:52
@rizencould you pastebin the template looks like now, and what the output looks like now rather than pasting it into IRC, i'm not sure i'm seeing everything01:52
@rizenalso, you should post on the support boards if you want an official answer to this01:52
@rizenthere were some changes to DataForm in 7.5, so it's possible what you're seeing is a bug01:53
@rizenperlDreamer: do you get what i'm saying about a base class?01:53
@rizenand does it make sense to you?01:53
@Haargit may be a due to a change in the form system instead01:53
@rizenalso possible01:53
@Haargsimilar to the email problem, chaning it to a text field will probably resolve the issue01:54
@rizenHaarg, are we even looking at the same thing? This appears to be a templating problem01:54
carograyhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m45f3b88e01:55
@Haargthe value is <a href="linkhere">linkhere</a>01:55
@Haargit used to just be linkhere01:55
carograyhah! Haarg. when I changed it to a text field it changed the name and completely disappeared all together, Then I had to get rid of the last two revisions01:55
@Haargthat issue won't apply to this field though01:56
carograyaha! 01:56
@Haargthat's only a problem with email fields01:56
@rizenoh i see what you're saying01:56
carograyI get it. Did this change with the update01:56
@rizenbecause the form autolinks the link01:56
@rizenso that means dataform is outputing displayValue rather than valu01:57
@rizenvalue01:57
@Haargyes01:57
@rizeni get it01:57
carograyoh, but the value of the field is the ^env thing01:57
carograycan I simply change the field to a text field and still use that env macro thing?01:57
@Haargyes01:57
carograyok here goes. I am trusting you here01:57
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carograyYAY YAY YAY hip hip hooray please pass on my thanks to Haarg tomorrow. Now I am singing and dancing and all the animals are now allowed to eat - finally.!02:09
carograyTonight I will finish my Wiki contribution thank you all!02:09
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+perlDreamerrizen, it does make sense02:21
+perlDreamereverybody gets new, create, get, set and so on02:21
+perlDreamerI still like Crud, by the way, for the same reasons02:21
+perlDreamerconsistent interface02:22
+perlDreamerIn fact, I think it's better since most of our classes do db access02:22
@rizeni was kidding about getting rid of crud02:24
@rizenthis thing would be called WebGUI::Base and Crud would subclass it02:24
@rizenso theoretically everything would isa WebGUI::Base02:25
@rizenWebGUI::Crud is already the base for Automat, so I couldn't get rid of it now. =)02:27
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+perlDreamerno isas02:42
+perlDreameruse base WebGUI::Base02:42
@rizenhuh?02:51
@rizenyou you mean don't push it on to @ISA02:52
@rizenand of cours not02:52
+perlDreamerNo02:52
+perlDreamerokay02:52
@rizeni'm just talking object speak not perlspeak02:52
@rizenas far as i'm concerned @ISA shouldn't be directly accessible02:52
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@preaction_damn, i should've been here... Crud is awesome03:24
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@preaction_maybe he just isn't seeing the same picture i'm seeing03:25
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@perlmonkey2You can not stop teh JSON04:36
@preaction_i MUST04:48
@preaction_for the JSON is practicing the dark magic of DENORMALIZATION04:48
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CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7692 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/ (10 files in 6 dirs): 10:24
CIA-39WebGUI: Hah, it ah, doesnt throw errors upon modperl start and ah, the editor, ah, kind10:24
CIA-39WebGUI: of works, and err. ah, the JSON is 99% working, with objects instantiating10:24
CIA-39WebGUI: themselves correctly then serializing themselves as appropriate. Definitely not10:24
CIA-39WebGUI: a working version though.10:24
CIA-39WebGUI: patspam * r7693 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.t): RFE - Teach Thingy to be a Web Service (http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/teach-thingy-to-be-a-web-service) [Yung]10:24
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CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7694 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Matrix.pm Inbox_Message.pm): Update from translation server13:00
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7695 /translations/German/German/Asset_Matrix.pm: Update from translation server13:00
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7696 /translations/German/German/ (WebGUI.pm VersionTag.pm): Update from translation server13:00
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patspamcmsmatrix.org got a mention on ajaxian a few days ago17:18
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@perlmonkey2patspam: that's pretty cool.  What did they say?17:21
patspamin Michael Mahemoff's transcript of the Panel at @media ajax 200817:22
patspamhttp://ajaxian.com/archives/media-ajax-panel17:22
patspamit was just a small remark, that there should be a cmsmatrix for javascript libraries17:23
@perlmonkey2I guess that says something about market penetration :D17:27
ckotilweeee! Red Hat fixed their perl slowness bug17:27
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SDuensinThey did!?  Amazing!17:49
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@perlmonkey2Anyone want to take a swing at a object copying issue?  http://pastebin.com/deee5a6f18:06
@preaction_perlmonkey2: are you just trying to make a deep copy of the object?18:21
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@perlmonkey2yes, and drop the blessing so it can be encoded.  Which was working until I started passing in the session errorHandler and then tried to remove it for the copying.18:22
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@perlmonkey2(10:22:41 AM) perlmonkey2: yes, and drop the blessing so it can be encoded.  Which was working until I started passing in the session errorHandler and then tried to remove it for the copying.18:23
@perlmonkey2I just don't see how setting $temp{log} to undef could leave it still defined (and containing the logger) upon the return.18:23
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@preactionperlmonkey2: should be "delete $temp{ log }" maybe?18:25
@perlmonkey2Something fishy is happening preaction as I'm also outputing keys upon return and delete should have removed that entry.18:26
@perlmonkey2yet log is still a key18:26
Lisettei try do an utility that atach a video in a CS like a thread, but don't work, just creates me a new CS, how to do?18:26
@perlmonkey2preaction: hmm, any changes I make to the copy are ignored.18:30
@preactioni dunno man, looks like evil18:31
@preactionare they Class::InsideOut objects?18:31
@perlmonkey2nope, just plain old fashioned classes18:32
@perlmonkey2blessed hashes.18:32
topsubOn my custom product when you add a variant i am trying to add the brochure upload here. in the www_editVariantSave do i need to set it as a file type for it to process?18:32
@perlmonkey2No modules used to create or manipulate them.18:32
@Haargyou have more of the code available somewhere?  seems like there must be something else interfering.18:33
@perlmonkey2although freeze should only be called right before the call to WG is returned, so I could probably just unbless them.  But I think it was you or Haarg who said that was a bad idea.18:33
@Haargunblessing sounds much more evil to me18:33
@perlmonkey2sure, I'll commit what I have (in the Survey branch) and wobjects Survey.pm for the first method and Survey/SurveyJSON.pm for the second method (freeze)18:34
@preactionyeah, Crud might be a good idea for what you're doing18:34
@perlmonkey2I'm |-| close to being done with the data part of this.  All I woudl have left if control and view stuff.18:35
@perlmonkey2and the new JSON objects simplify the algorithms beyond belief.18:35
@perlmonkey2I've hacked away maybe a hundred lines of code already.18:35
@perlmonkey2and what I have is so much more readable and simple.18:35
@perlmonkey2if only I could serialize my objects :)18:36
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7699 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added join support18:40
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7700 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: updated tests to reflect api changes18:40
CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7701 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/SectionJSON.pm Survey.pm): Really dont use this copy18:40
@perlmonkey2ah, #perl says that is only a shallow copy18:41
topsubwhen i add the file upload to the editVariants i upload a file but it doesn't seem to process. I have an assetId in the database but no way to link up the asset18:41
topsubi thought i would get a url path to the asset18:41
topsubtrying to be able to upload PDFs to each variants18:42
@perlmonkey2actually something else is wrong as I'm no longer making a copy, but just unblessing $self and delete $self->{log} still leaves the returned has with a log key (and nothing from the freeze method changes the hash)18:46
Lisettehow to do a commit in an utility?19:00
Lisettei try whit my $versionTag = WebGUI::VersionTag->getWorking($session);  $versionTag->commit19:01
Lisettebut i have enter to website and commit manually19:02
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* perlmonkey2 needs to be severely beaten. The problem wasn't in saveSurveyJSON, but in loadSurveyJSON where the object returned wasn't the surveyJSON object but the first sectionJSON object. 19:08
@perlmonkey2hmm, nope that isn't it either.  but somehow in my freeze method $self is becoming one of the children.  But at least load is working correctly.19:12
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@perlmonkey2wow, that is like an hour killed because I was passing in $self as the first param of a ->new() call.19:26
@tavistoHey all, can someone verify that the Troubleshooting tips under http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installing are still valid as of the latest WRE release? 19:26
@tavistoI'm going to remove that duplicate wiki and move those troubleshooting tips into the master wre installation page19:27
@khennLisette, that code will commit the current workingt ak19:51
@khenntag19:51
@khennotherwise you need instantiate the actual verion tag you want to commit19:51
@khennnot sure how to do that offhand, you'll have to look at the API19:51
@khennlikely $versionTag = WebGUI::VersionTag->new($session,$tagId);19:51
@khennor something like that19:51
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rizen_hey apeiron, could you kick rizen and Haarg20:24
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+MrHairgreaserizen_: try /nickserv help20:24
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@perlmonkey2pong20:27
@rizenirc doesn't like it when you change your ip20:28
Lisettebut how to do to generate a new tagId?20:28
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ckotilMy apache is segfaulting. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3a629dc021:46
ckotilIve installed apr from source, and table.c is in the source tree.21:47
ckotilapr_tables.c rather21:47
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elninoonce I create a thingy, is there a way to import data into it?21:53
@Haargcreate thingy -> create thing -> view thing -> import21:55
elninocool. I don't have the latest webgui install, but this will definately encourage me to do so now! that will make life tons easeier. Thanks!21:58
doc777Question: When someone creates an account the default seems to make their profile public. How can I change this to private?21:59
@preactiondoc777: edit the Visitor user's profile22:00
doc777Ah! Knew it was something simple. Thank you.22:00
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elninowhat is the templating like for the thingy? is it at all like what I"m accusom to for articales and pagelayouts?22:02
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@preactionit's fully-templatable, if that's what you mean22:03
elninoI heard it was ajaxed?22:04
@Haargthe admin interface is22:04
elninobut not the tempaltes?22:05
@Haargfor users entering data etc it doesn't use ajax22:05
doc777Hrm. The visitors profile is set to "Make profile public: No" but when you create a user it is still set to "yes"   ;-)22:05
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+perlDreamerdoc777: Profiles no longer inherit from Visitor22:53
+perlDreamerEach field has a default.22:54
@Haargreally?22:54
@Haargwhen did that happen?22:54
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7702 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added a safer faster join using option22:56
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7703 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: updated tests to reflect api changes22:56
CIA-39WebGUI: yung * r7704 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): small changes in Thingy's web services methods, added Thingy tests22:56
+perlDreamerHaarg, it's been that way for a while22:56
+perlDreamereither that, or I'm misinterpreting WebGUI::User->profileField22:57
BartJoloh and who set the permission so that I can't translate the new namespace?22:59
+perlDreamerhuh?22:59
+perlDreamerYou mean the new Bart bit in the translation server?23:00
BartJolhttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/cant-edit-i18n-message#wsWiIrhSnhNKTvJn8c8vVw23:00
@Haarglet me check on that quick bart23:00
+perlDreamerIt detects barts and says that you can't edit it23:00
BartJolah23:00
doc777Thank you perlDreamer. I was looking every except there. That fixed it. ;-)23:00
BartJolnice that you wanna give other people a chance23:00
+perlDreamerdude, if you had 5 karma for every entry you translated...23:01
BartJol5 might be a bit to much23:01
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@Haargbart - should be fixed now23:03
BartJollet me check23:03
doc777Question: When someone posts on the forum and people are subscribed to it an email is sent out to everyone from "their" email address. Can this be changed to just show the server address?23:04
BartJolyes, it worked again23:04
@Haargnot currently23:04
BartJolthanks23:05
@Haargthere may be an rfe about that though23:05
@Haargi know it's been mentioned several times before23:05
doc777Yea... not everyone would like their email address sent out to all subscribers...  ;)23:05
+perlDreamerdoc777, you might want to search for a bug or rfe about that23:06
doc777I will do. Any idea which .pm would handle sending out the forum mail?23:07
+perlDreamerMail/Send.pm ?23:07
doc777Thank you ;)23:08
@Haargthat's for all mail sending though23:08
BartJolmmm, can I resolve that bug?23:08
@Haargleave it for a bit23:08
+perlDreamerdoc777, the emails are built in Asset/Post.pm.23:09
+perlDreamerHaarg was right, Mail::Send is only the transport frontend23:09
@Haargsub notifySubscribers23:09
doc777Ok, what I would like is all email leaving the server to come from the server.... Thanks for the help!23:09
doc777Question: (sorry for so many!) It seems that you can create an account with a duplicate email address. It simply asks "do you wish to continue" and overwrites the first account..?  What am I missing....23:25
+perlDreamerthere is no guarantee for email uniqueness in WebGUI23:26
+perlDreamerit shouldn't overwrite the first account, though23:26
doc777For now I just changed "warning" to return "Account Exists" and exit.  But seemed there should be way without doing that ;)23:27
@Haargare you creating it as an admin or a user?23:29
CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7705 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_Calendar.pm Inbox_Message.pm): Update from translation server23:29
doc777Just a unregistered user. It lets me create multiple accounts with the same email it seems by default. That is bad if you are tracking things by the email  ;)23:31
doc777Or confusing I might say. In reality people need access to the email to mess things up...23:32
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@Haarghmm23:34
@Haargi thought it forbid that23:34
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+perlDreamerNope23:34
+perlDreamerThere's no unique email check when creating a user23:34
+perlDreamerwhich means using things like User->newByEmail are dangerous23:35
+MrHairgreaseit used to be not possible23:35
+MrHairgreasecreatAccount would complain that the email address was already in use23:36
+MrHairgreaseand didn't let you proceed23:36
+MrHairgreaseseems like a bug to me if it doesn't do that anymore23:36
+MrHairgreasethrough the admin console it always has been possible to enter duped email addresses.23:37
+perlDreamerah, that's what I'm confused about23:38
+perlDreamerYou're right MrHairgrease23:38
+perlDreamerthe profile checker does do a duplicate email check when doing createAccountSave23:38
+MrHairgreaseindeed23:39
+MrHairgreasealways trust the euro trash =)23:39
+MrHairgreasebut only when they're hip and fashionable23:39
+MrHairgreaseand have gobs of sex appeal =)23:39
+perlDreamerand technically correct23:39
+perlDreamerand able to etch very small things on pieces of glass23:39
+perlDreamerand drink beer at the WUC23:40
BartJolwe can also drink beer without a wuc23:40
+MrHairgreaseindeed we can23:40
+MrHairgreasewhat are you doing tomorrow =)23:40
BartJolsoem kennismakers will come by23:41
+MrHairgreaseoh23:41
+MrHairgreasenice23:41
+MrHairgreaseI think I'll hop along too then23:41
+perlDreamerkennismakers?23:41
+MrHairgreaseare you guys the end point?23:41
BartJolbefore that I will be watching holiday pictures with Astrid23:41
+MrHairgreasepd: new koornbeurs members23:41
BartJolbut feel to drop by23:42
+MrHairgreaseI won't be too early prolly23:43
+MrHairgreaseso you can watch picture all you like23:43
BartJolthe kennismakers neither, I think we are a last house23:43
+MrHairgreasethat was what I was refrring to with 'teh end point'23:43
BartJolah23:44
BartJolwell, yes then23:46
+perlDreamerperhaps you should have koenbeurs instead23:48
+perlDreamercould be much less confusing23:48
BartJolnnooooooooooooooooooo23:48
+MrHairgreasenononononono23:48
+MrHairgreasecould somebody of the pb crew please kick pd?23:48
+MrHairgreaseof all really bad ideas...23:48
BartJolthis is the worst23:49
+perlDreamerNo, there are worse ones23:49
+perlDreamerI didn't mention eggs, for example23:49
+MrHairgreasethat's not an idea23:49
+MrHairgreasethat's a concept23:49
+MrHairgrease=)23:49
+MrHairgreasegranted not a very...23:50
+MrHairgreasefresh one23:50
+MrHairgreaseand believe me koenbeurs would be worse than the eggs23:50
+perlDreamer...I'll take your word for it23:51
+MrHairgreasethanks23:51
BartJolpweew, one world disaster less23:52
+MrHairgreaseit's good we were both on the channel bartjol23:52
+MrHairgreaseotherwise perldreamer would have all the wrong ideas =)23:52
BartJolyeah23:52
BartJolnormally he's a nice guy, but sometimes even his genius mind slips23:53
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+MrHairgreasetrue23:53
+perlDreamerI'm doing silicon layout23:53
+perlDreamerVery damaging to the psyche23:53
+MrHairgreasetry indesign23:54
+perlDreamerIs that a cadence product?23:54
+MrHairgreasei heard that's pretty good for layouting23:54
+MrHairgreaseno adobe23:54
+MrHairgrease=)23:54
+MrHairgreasenever used cadence though23:54
+perlDreamerHey, if it will emit GDS in the end...23:55
+MrHairgreasei have some experience with ads23:55
+MrHairgreasei don't think indesign can do gds'23:55
+MrHairgreaseI thought you were a more high level designer btw23:55
+perlDreamerI am23:55
+perlDreamerBut when there's no design to do23:55
+perlDreamerand no chips to work on23:56
+perlDreamerand the chip will be late23:56
+perlDreameryou do what you must23:56
+perlDreamerI seem to do a lot of that23:56
+perlDreamerBug fixing, testing, documentation23:56
+MrHairgreaseyou are on transistor placement detail23:56
+perlDreamer"pushing polygons"23:56
+MrHairgreasehehe23:56
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doc777Is there a way to make the captcha a little easier to distinguish? Maybe I can change the foreground color?  Had a user complain that he could not register and I tried and failed 3 times ;-)00:11
@preactiondoc777: there's an initiative to use recaptcha, but not sure how far graham is on it00:12
@preactionotherwise, not that i know of00:12
@Haargit works00:12
doc777ok, was not sure if there was a config file I could specify "yellow on black" ect.... thanks ;)00:12
@preactionthe easier you make it for humans, the easier it is for non-humans00:13
@Haargi should probably just commit that, i just wasn't sure what i wanted to do about the external dependancy i added for it00:13
@Haargsince it barely does anything00:13
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@preactionis it an option? or is it a replacement?00:14
@Haargit's an option00:15
@Haargyou need to register your site on their system00:16
@preactionah00:16
doc777We were using 7.5.20 recently. Site worked great. But we upgraded to 7.5.23 for some log file errors.  After you can no longer create an account on the site. All the steps work but the account is not created.  I restored /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm and you can now create accounts again.  Did I miss something special?00:19
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@Haargdoc777, i think i see the problem00:25
@Haargthere is a bug posted about it00:26
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@HaargperlDreamer, question about this change: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=741101:17
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+perlDreamerWhat's the question, Haarg?01:24
@Haargi think i figured it out01:25
@Haargwas wondering why the call to SUPER got moved to the end01:25
@Haargneeds to happen before the email verification stuff01:26
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@Haargi'm working on fixing it01:28
@Haargand cleaning up the verification stuff a little01:28
+perlDreameriirc, I had to move the call to SUPER to the end so that the message display would happen01:29
+perlDreamerfrom the commit notes01:29
@Haargyeah01:29
@Haargit will just need to save the value and return it later01:29
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CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7706 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): fixed: anonymous registration with email confirmation is broken02:03
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7707 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm: clean up next/previous code for threads02:03
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@tavistokhenn you there?03:00
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khenn_what's up?03:55
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@perlmonkey2nada, what's up with you khenn?04:26
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SDuensinGreetings.16:37
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topsubcan i do a mysql statement splitting on newlines?17:37
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BartJolmmm, if you can insert a perl regex you should, I think tobsub18:12
BartJolbut don't ask me how....18:12
BartJolsorry18:12
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BartJoljippy! I just made my first succesfull upgrade18:26
BartJoland with the next I broke my site18:26
carograydoes anyone know - can you add "date" fields as metadata to assets?18:30
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carograyanother question - before v. 7.5.23 you could move the order in which assets (pages) appeared in the navigation by dragging them up and down the list in the asset manager19:06
carograythere used to be rank column in the older version and there still is, but ranking wasn't what determined the order in which they appeared in the navigation - Actually I never understood what ranking was.19:07
@Haargranking does control the position in navigations19:07
carograyHowever now you can't drag the asset up and down in the list and ranking doesn't seem to be the way to change the order19:07
carograyhmm. Ijust tried it...trying again19:07
@rizencarogray: many people found the draging confusing19:08
@rizenand error prone19:08
@rizenso we changed it so you could type in a rank19:08
@rizenthis also has the advantage of allowing you to set multiple ranks at one time19:08
@rizenyou type it in, and then it "update"19:08
@rizenhit update19:08
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carograyoops - sorry! I was reading russian and got the russian mixed up I had moved it with the ranking but didn't realize it cause the short English menu title= the long Russian menu title - my mistake19:11
carograyas for the change in the way to use ranking thanks very much! You are right it is easier the new way and more intuitive and the people I train on WebGUI will adapt to this improvement very happily I am sure!19:12
carograythank you all19:12
carograyalso thanks for ability to do  the multiple changes in rank at once19:13
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@perlmonkey2I'm telling you, this scandal may have broken my faith in this country.  Every major institution has failed us.19:29
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@perlmonkey2hwups, wrong channel :P19:29
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+perlDreamerjust as a heads up20:22
+perlDreamermy new laptop is here20:22
+perlDreamerso I'm not going to have much bandwidth for the next week or so20:22
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metanilhow do i use workflow, some sequence of internal events (like creating page, ..) just after any group is created??20:28
+perlDreamerThere's no workflow trigger points for groups yet20:29
+perlDreamerYou would have to RFE it in20:29
+perlDreameror hack it yourself20:29
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metanilperlDreamer: could i create my own workflow like WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CreateGroupTrigger  ??20:34
+perlDreamermetanil, not really20:34
metanil:o20:34
+perlDreamerYou could create an activity to do something20:35
+perlDreamerbut then, someplace in the WebGUI::Group or WebGUI::Operation::Group code you'd have to build a workflow instance that _uses_ the new activity.20:35
+perlDreamersee the difference?20:35
+perlDreamerLike trigger and bullet20:35
metaniloh .. .. that means at the end of the day, there must be some of kind of trigger inside WebGUI::Group.. that would trigger my custom set of Activities (I should define with activity then)..20:37
+perlDreamerYes!20:37
+perlDreamerThat's exactly the right idea.20:37
metanilI need to modify WebGUI::Group for every new WebGUI updates :( .. right?20:38
@preactionyou'd want it in WebGUI::Operation::Group, and if it's useful it might be included in core20:38
@preactionmore workflow points are good20:38
+perlDreamerYeah.20:39
+perlDreamerI'd build the code, make sure it works20:39
+perlDreamerand the add the patch to the RFE20:39
+perlDreamerit could get put into the core very quickly20:39
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metanilhmm.. i'll try to create workflow point in Group then..20:41
@preactionremember, you want WebGUI::Operation::Group, not WebGUI::Group20:41
@preactionalso, check settings, i swore there was one there already20:42
metanilin Settings?? i didn't find it.20:44
@preactionwhat version are you running?20:44
metanil7.4.17-stable :D20:45
metanil(old)20:45
@preactionit's not in that version20:45
@preactiontry a demo, it should be in there20:45
@HaargperlDreamer, did you have something set up for searching/filtering templates easily?20:46
+perlDreamerHaarg: templateFiler.pl and ack for command line work20:47
@Haargthink you could look at this bug at some point? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/multiple-default-templates-broken-with-prevent-proxy-caching20:47
+perlDreamersure!20:48
+perlDreamernot a problem20:48
+perlDreamerDo you have a deadline when you need it by?20:48
@Haargnot really20:48
BartJolyesterday off course20:49
+perlDreamerThat's it BartJol!20:49
+perlDreamerNo i18n fixes for you anymore20:49
metanilpreaction: i'm sorry i still can't see it..  (Admin Console -> Settings->??)20:49
@preactionUser20:49
BartJolperlDreamer: never?20:49
+MrHairgreaseBart, what time should I arrive?20:50
BartJoldunno 10 or so?20:50
+MrHairgreaseok20:50
BartJolno one told me at what time they should arrive20:51
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: why would a new laptop reduce your available bandwidth?20:51
+MrHairgreasebecause perldreamer is using windows20:52
+MrHairgreaseand all the worms eat up his bandwidth!!!!20:52
metanilpreaction: there's only "on create user" and "on update user"20:52
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Because I have to install Fedora20:52
+perlDreamertransfer my personal data20:52
+perlDreamerset up WebGUI20:52
+perlDreameretc.20:52
@preactionmetanil: okay, then i'm mistaken. but you'll still need to develop your feature against 7.5 in order for it to be considered for inclusion in the core (which takes the burden of maintenance off of you)20:53
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: does your ISP several limit bandwidth because that sounds like way less than 10GB.20:53
@perlmonkey2s/several/severely/20:53
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I remember you saying that you had a fast way of transferring your user data after installs.  Care to share?20:53
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: err, no, I usually do a full backup of everything I can remember to my server, do a fresh install, then put everything back as well as I can remember.  Usually the whole process takes about 4 hours.20:54
@perlmonkey2Most of it is just rsyncing directories.20:55
+perlDreamerokay, that's not much better than what I do20:56
+perlDreamerI burn a DVD of everything I want and take it across that way20:57
+perlDreamerplus, I get a backup out of it20:57
@perlmonkey2heh, my userspace won't fit on a DVD.20:57
+perlDreamerthe biggest thing in my userspace is mail20:58
+perlDreamer1 Gb20:58
+perlDreamerWhat do you have stuck in there?20:58
@perlmonkey2movies, images, and music20:59
@perlmonkey2I keep everything of value with me on the laptop just to make sure I have it with me.20:59
@rizenporn movies porn pics and music to watch porn by20:59
@perlmonkey2hah20:59
@rizenperlmonkey2 is a sexual deviant20:59
@rizenor at least that's what he puts on his resume20:59
@preactioni wondered why you hired him so quick21:00
@perlmonkey230GB doesn't quite put me in the deviant category.21:00
BartJolhe has a nice voice for porn too21:00
@perlmonkey2hahahahaha21:00
@perlmonkey2I'd say they were just family photos and movies, but I'm afraid where you guys would run with that.21:00
@perlmonkey2perlDreamer: do you use the encrypted drive option available in F9?21:01
+perlDreamerno21:01
+perlDreamerjust LVM21:01
@perlmonkey2it seems to really slow things down, but knowing if my machine is ever stolen my data is safe is reassuring.21:01
@perlmonkey2for a laptop I can't think of why LVM is not a good idea.21:02
+perlDreamerHaarg, there are 22 templates that need to be fixed21:02
+perlDreamernone of them are the "illegal" assetId type21:02
+perlDreamerand someone needs to tell Yung not to use that option anymore21:03
@preactionit's guaranteed unique21:03
+perlDreamerand someone needs to tell preaction, too21:04
@preactionwhy not? what's wrong with it?21:04
+perlDreamerIn fact, that's all of them21:04
+perlDreamerdoesn't work with prevent proxy21:04
@preactioni meant the "illegal assetId" thing21:04
+perlDreamerSorry, I switched topics21:05
@preactioni know about the gateway macro thing, no21:05
@preactionw21:05
@Haargwhich illegal assetids are we talking about?21:05
+perlDreamerthe ones that aren't 22 chars21:05
+perlDreamerand I need to retract that21:05
@perlmonkey2how are those being created?21:05
+perlDreamerthis one is bad: l0000000000000200.tmpl21:05
+perlDreamerby hand, perlmonkey221:05
@perlmonkey2So my new survey templates 1335 1336 1337 and 1338 should be expanded to 22 chars?21:06
+perlDreameryes21:06
+perlDreamersomething like PBSurveyTemplate_filler_digits21:06
+perlDreamerBuySalesTaxRightNow:).tmpl21:07
+perlDreamerthat's one of my favorites21:07
@Haargthe only place we have guids that short ids are allowed is for users and groups21:07
@Haargand that's just for backwards compatibility21:08
+perlDreamerwe should change it in WebGUI 821:09
@Haargyeah21:09
+perlDreamerAdminUserIdUsedToBe321:09
@Haargheh21:10
@Haargrizen added the isRegistered isVisitor etc to ::User21:10
@Haargso any code using that would be safe from an id change21:10
+perlDreamerIt's only the User Forms and other things that would need to change21:11
+perlDreamerand sql reports, macros, etc.21:11
@preactionand just about every plug-in ever written for webgui, for no good reason21:11
+perlDreamer1 good reason, uniformity and no more special cases21:13
@rizenpreaction is right, it can't change21:13
@preactionnot saying we shouldn't use the API in the future, but we don't need to change the IDs21:13
@rizenthe reason is that there are lots of places in the database that the groupId might be stored21:13
@rizeni shouldn't say we can't change it21:14
@rizenrather that we shouldn't just decide to change it willy nilly21:14
@rizenwe need to understand that it's not just work for us, but rather for our users as well21:14
@Haargwe could change it to prevent new groups/users with short ids from being created21:16
@Haargand remove the rest of the hard coded group ids (aside from a few places)21:17
BartJolI started practising upgrading, when I did the 7.5.9->7.5.10 all seemed to go well, but spectre can't connect. So I have a error in my config, but I don't see what it is. Can it be a wrong subnet? It worked on 7.5.8 and 7.5.9 with the same config21:20
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@Haargwhat error do you get?21:21
@Haargwith spectre running, does perl spectre.pl --test give you anything?21:22
BartJol2008/09/25 20:11:35 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.bartjol.nl.conf at http://www.bartjol.nl:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 Internal Server Error21:22
BartJolroot@/data/WebGUI/sbin> perl spectre.pl --test21:22
BartJolRunning connectivity tests.21:22
BartJolTesting www.bartjol.nl.conf21:22
BartJolERROR: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.bartjol.nl.conf21:22
BartJolTests completed.21:22
BartJolthe first is from the webgui log21:22
BartJoltestEnviroment gives no bad reslults21:23
BartJolexcept that I'm using 7.5.20 :)21:24
BartJols/\.20/\.10/21:24
@perlmonkey2BartJol: useing the right port?  21:25
BartJolWebGUI or spectre?21:25
BartJol80 and 32133 resp.21:25
@perlmonkey2if spectre can't connect, perhaps it is an old conf that isn't trying the new modperl port?21:26
BartJolah21:26
BartJolthat is 821:26
@perlmonkey2running the wre?21:26
BartJolyup21:26
@perlmonkey2latest?21:26
BartJolnope21:26
@perlmonkey28081 is the most recent.  Not sure how far back that goes.21:27
BartJolI'll check my modprel conf21:27
@Haargbut you can still connect through port 80 if you are running modproxy21:27
@perlmonkey2oh21:27
@perlmonkey2duh, that makes sense.21:27
BartJolmodproxy runs21:28
BartJolon 8021:28
BartJolmodperl listens on 8081, I'll just try it21:29
@Haargthe first thing i would check is your site name21:29
BartJol8081 gives the same error21:31
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BartJolmy sitename? it was always the same? where could that have gone awry?21:31
@Haargtake the first item in sitename and then try 'curl http://sitename/?op=spectreGetSiteData'21:31
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BartJolcurl?21:32
@Haargyeah21:33
BartJolcommand not found21:33
@Haargheh21:33
+perlDreamerBartJol, try wget instead of curl21:33
+perlDreamerwhat OS are you usng?21:33
BartJoldebian21:33
BartJoletch21:33
BartJolit connects and then gives an internal server error21:34
@Haarganything show in the log from that?21:34
BartJolin modperl.error.log:21:35
BartJol[Thu Sep 25 20:33:30 2008] [error] [client 87.253.131.249] Can't locate auto/Apache2/Request/print.al in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl . /data/wre/prereqs) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Output.pm line 93\n21:35
@Haarg7.5.10?21:36
BartJolyeah21:36
BartJolshould be at least21:36
@Haargtry sticking a 'use Apache2::RequestIO;' into preload.perl21:37
BartJolwhere inpreload.perl?21:38
BartJolon top?21:38
@Haargthere should be some other use Apache2::something lines21:38
@Haargright after those21:39
@Haargif you don't see them, just stick it anywhere21:39
BartJolfound use Apache2::ServerUtil ();21:39
BartJolput it after that21:40
BartJolwell, my site works, and it doensn't give an error, thanks!21:42
@Haargthat's an old bug that i caused and fixed21:42
BartJoldid put mu webGUIport back to 8021:42
BartJolwell, next step for me21:43
BartJolthanks everybody21:44
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BartJolbut I have company, so till tomorrow21:52
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juan1i have a question related to approve some post22:29
juan1in my inbox i have many post waiting for approval but when i try to do that i can not do it, the thread is blocked22:31
juan1so, i can not approve o deny it22:31
juan1I have tried to unblock them, but they continue blocked22:34
juan1can i unblock them using a sql sentence?22:34
dionakyou mean they are locked?22:35
juan1yes22:35
juan1locked22:35
dionakk, wasn't sure if blocked was something other than locked22:35
dionakwho are they locked by?22:35
dionakthe posts could also be in a version tag that's not active..22:36
juan1in the page i see the thread but when i try to see it in the asset manager, my site show me a message that the page does not exist22:37
dionakdo you have any pending version tags?22:38
juan1if i go to the admin console i have some pending version tags, but i can not commit them22:41
juan1they are locked22:41
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juan1with the admin user i can edit and save but the threads continue locked22:46
dionakshouldn't they be locked until the version tag is committed?22:47
dionakthat's my understanding22:47
juan1yes, i understand22:49
juan1but they are locked and i can approve o deny, or commit22:50
juan1i don't know how to approve those threads22:50
juan1dionak, can i unlocked those post using a sql sentence?22:59
dionakyes, you can but it would be better to understand what's going on23:01
dionakthe lock is set in the asset table in the isLockedBy column23:02
dionakis this a production site?23:03
dionaki'm not sure what effect that will have in your current setup23:03
juan1yes23:03
juan1this is a production site23:04
dionakyou should try that on a dev instance or contact PB for support23:07
juan1ok23:12
juan1thanks23:12
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carograyhi, I am using Firefox to edit articles with rich text editor - when I look at the HTML, somehow the editor is adding mce href tags after every a href tag, what is this? 23:27
metanilwhat is $self variable in every method in WebGUI library...  (when calling from Operation/...pm, we are not passing it)23:28
+perlDreamermetanil: perldoc perlobj23:30
metanil:D23:31
metanil(this proves i'm new in perl)23:31
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+perlDreamerjust keep learning, metanil ;)23:33
+perlDreamerWe have tons of patience for people who learn23:33
+perlDreamerperldoc perl will give you a list of all perl manpages23:33
+perlDreamerit's worth a day or two to read them all, with various levels of detail23:34
@Haargbleh23:41
@Haargi hate UNIVERSAL::isa23:41
+perlDreamerme, too23:41
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+perlDreamerHaarg, if I check these templates into 7.6, can you handle backporting them into 7.5?00:10
@Haargyeah00:10
+perlDreamersvn rev 771100:12
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7711 /WebGUI/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): fix usage of gateway macro in all default templates00:21
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+perlDreamerHaarg, do you want a CODE_COP test for that added to the suite?00:24
@Haargif it's reasonable to do, sure00:25
doc777Hello friends. When using adminModeSubnets does this line look correct:     "adminModeSubnets" : [ "192.168.0.0/24", "66.162.0.0/24, "67.220.0.0/24" ],  00:26
doc777Trying to get it to allow editing from more than one place but it seems to only allow one and not the others....00:27
+perlDreamertesting...00:32
+perlDreamerdoc777, is it always the last one?00:32
+perlDreamerseems to work okay in tests00:33
doc777the last one works... the first 2 do not it seems00:34
+perlDreamerYou do know that in addition to being in the subnet that you have to be in the Turn On Admin group?00:35
+perlDreamerboth those conditions have to be true00:35
doc777Well, using the same user account at both locations at the moment for testing ;)00:36
doc777Its ok, just figured it would be nice to use if possible00:36
+perlDreamerin the tests that I ran, it worked okay00:37
+perlDreameryou're not behind a proxy or anything that would change your IP address?00:37
doc777wierd... Well, on the phone with the person at the other location.  Got their IP from the log in record and added that to the line. But when they log in there is no turn admin on....00:38
+perlDreamer^Env(REMOTE_ADDR); ^Env(HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR) will tell you which IP address WebGUI sees00:39
+perlDreamerHTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR has priority if both are set00:39
doc777Maybe thats it.  Thanks will test some more. Been working on it for an hour before I gave up and asked ;)00:39
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CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7713 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update version numbers to 7.5.2401:28
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7714 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.5.22.pl: add messages to upgrade script01:28
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7715 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PurgeOldInboxMessages.pm: copy purge old inbox fix from 7.601:28
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7716 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): fixed: multiple default templates broken with prevent proxy caching01:28
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7717 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.24 release01:28
CIA-39WebGUI: yung * r7718 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2: Creating a branch for matrix work01:28
+perlDreamerHaarg, I wrote that test01:32
+perlDreamerit told me I missed 3 templates01:32
+perlDreamerand the test has holes01:49
+perlDreamerbecause there's really 8 templates01:49
+perlDreamerHaarg, if it's not too late, the other 8 templates are svn rev 772002:07
@Haargit'll have to wait02:07
@Haargnot big deal though02:07
+perlDreamersorry, man02:07
@Haargthanks for doing the work :)02:08
+perlDreameryou're welcome02:08
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elninohmm. is there an "ftp" built into wre? - or a way to manage "public/" folder thru webgui?06:44
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doc777Anyone used an apache redirect with webgui sucessfully? Seems webgui grabs the url with a 404 and redirects it. I would like to do a 301 permanant06:50
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elninoin the new 7.5 version (I think) I had requested that you can actually select the type of redirect webgui uses. 301 or 302.07:19
elninoBut I've also used redirect in the apache conf file as well.07:19
elninoON that particular server, I do NOT have wre, so I have no idea if that changes anything.07:20
elninodoc777 hope that helps.07:20
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+Radix-wrkSweet.. new VMWare WebGUI 08:34
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carograytime to take to renew - rss feeds/syndicated content question?14:57
BartJolgo ahead15:00
carograyoh! sorry.15:12
carograyIs there a way to refresh the syndicated content so I can check out the effect of changes I made?15:13
carograyI have a cs it produces an rss feed and I created a syndicated content to collect the info from the rss15:13
carograyI put a test item in the cs15:13
carograyit showed up the way it is supposed to in the syndicated content15:14
carograyI then deleted the revision of the test - I find that deleting revisions is a much more satisfactory way of completely deleting things from the whole system15:14
carograyit is no longer in the cs, but still showing up in the syndicated content15:15
carograyI reduced the visitor cache in both cs and syndicated content to 1 sec, from 1 hr15:15
carograyso....?15:15
BartJoleeh15:23
BartJollet me read, I was distracted by my work :)15:23
BartJolwell tha should refresh it, but when there are no differences, it's hard to see15:25
BartJolso you have a CS which contained (past time) a RSS feed15:27
carograyI don't think it contained, it produce(s) ?15:27
BartJolI'm not sure what the question is, it was late last night15:27
carograyIt's the little box in the display tab that asks if you want to create an rs feed15:27
BartJolok15:28
carograymy question is why is the "test" contribution to the collaboration system still showing up in syndicated content even after I deleted it?15:28
carograyI am not badgering, sorry if it reads as though I am15:29
BartJolI think it is already stored as a CS post15:29
BartJolso while the feed object is "downloaded" it is converted to a Post object15:30
carograybut if it is deleted, especially the way I deleted it, ie deleted the revision, I thought all traces of it ever having existed also vanish15:30
BartJolwell, then you should look whether your revision does exists in the db15:30
BartJolor maybe it is still just cached15:31
BartJolcache is a pain in the butt sometimes15:31
carograyuh..emptied cache for site, cs and syndicated content15:31
BartJolbrowser cache?15:31
carograyyep, that too.15:31
BartJolmmm15:31
carograyin fact I work in firefox and so just to be absolutely sure after deleting all caches, I opened the page in IE15:32
carograystill there.15:32
carograyThe only thing I can think of is perhaps it is in the Workflow somewhere15:32
BartJolcan you check that?15:33
carograyI am still not very familiar with workflows - I get the concept, but not the practical application so well15:33
BartJoland not sure whether posts are regulated via versions15:33
BartJolwell, just go to the workflow screen and look under "show running workflows" whether there's something there15:33
carograyokey doke - i will try that15:34
carograyI get "4 suspended workflows" they all say the same thing:15:36
carograyGet CS Mail10/10(none)errorFri Sep 26 08:38:21 2008Run15:36
BartJolrun them, starting witj the oldest15:36
carograyhow do I do that?15:37
carograyoh duh click on the run?15:37
BartJolby pressing run15:37
BartJol:)15:37
carograysorry - idiot15:37
carograyme that is15:37
BartJolhe, it gave me a laugh15:37
carograygives me a blank page with a little "error" in upper left corner - that's all15:38
BartJolmmm errors are no good15:38
BartJolcan you access your server?15:38
carograywe have a Plain Black contract we are on their servers - technically I think I can, but I am simply a lowly Ancient Greek and Latin Major who ended up running a website and "supporting" some others by default15:39
carograyI get in over my head with server access and sql reports and stuff - again, I understand the concepts, but the practical applications elude me.15:40
BartJoljust keep trying, you will get there15:41
carograyif my brain doesn't break in the meantime:-/15:41
BartJolmmm, I don't actually think you can log in to the server15:41
BartJolI don't think plainblack allows that15:41
BartJolunless you do posess hacking skills15:42
carograyOne thing's for sure, I will never get Alzheimers.... I thing we can log in to the server, we have done it before a few years ago...but the process was so bizarre15:42
carograyfraught with so many deadends I haven't a clue...15:42
BartJolbizarre?15:42
BartJolonly text and no pictures?15:42
carograywell the login names were so simiilar15:42
carograyhah!15:42
carograyyou are Svensk, ja?15:43
BartJolnope15:43
BartJolDutchie15:43
carograyhow come you are up ....oh!15:43
carograyright15:43
carograyare you the only european who is on this irc usually?15:43
BartJolit is mid afternoon here in the netherlands ;)15:43
carograyI know...15:43
BartJolno15:43
BartJolryuu_ro is also dutch15:44
carograymy husband is in the UK I am hoping to spend a month with him soon15:44
BartJoland some other people too15:44
carograygood to know15:44
carograyI was thinking it might just be you and me for hours on the irc15:44
BartJolbut15:44
BartJolthat happens15:45
BartJolback to the problem\15:45
carogray....shall I just wait til midwesterners over here get up and ask them why the workflow is stuck?15:45
BartJolwell if you have some login info, you should check the webgui.log15:45
BartJolprobably that will be your best shot15:46
BartJolor get hosting with a european company like mine :)15:46
carograyI don't have it anymore - can't remember it or where I put it....don't want to waste your working time either... thanks for helping me out though15:46
carograywe are American, my colleague doesn't even like paying Vietnamese translators who live in Vietnam - $s overseas and all that 15:47
carograydespite all we owe these poor little countries we helped to decimate15:47
carograyare you prolix i sthat your company?15:48
BartJolprocolix yes15:48
carograyoh yes... 15:48
carograyok thanks for trying I will wait. I have a deadline today for our own website and I am getting distracted working on this one that isn't due for a week - ugh15:48
BartJolok, good luck, see you around15:49
carograyk thanks bye15:49
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SDuensinMorning.16:09
@perlmonkey2morning SDuensin16:14
BartJolafternoon16:15
@perlmonkey2afternoon BartJol16:18
SDuensinGonna try my WebGUI upgrade *again* and try not to crash the test server this time.  :-)16:18
@perlmonkey2May the Force be with you.16:18
BartJolyesterday and today I did my first succesfull upgrade!16:20
BartJolnow I will have to choose for beta or stable...16:21
@perlmonkey2BartJol: Dude, you're a ninja.  A WebGUI ninja that is.16:21
BartJolI'm getting there16:21
BartJolit was only from 7.5.8 to current stable16:22
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carograyBartjol: - thanks for your time this morning. I didn't look carefully enough at the plainblack support board - http://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support/syndicated-content-cache-/4#mI-S-CjxRoFOokPcBQhw0g16:32
BartJolah16:32
BartJolgood16:32
BartJolluckily I actually can read that16:33
carograyapparently WebGUi syndicated content has an uncontrollable cache for 1 hr because some users were getting rss feeds from other sites too often.16:33
carograyok I wont explain...16:33
BartJolwell, the summary was good16:34
carogray:-D16:37
BartJolwell, have to go16:41
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7725 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/GetCsMail.pm: Fixed a bug that would not have a subject in the email response error if for some reason the from address is empty and visitors cannot post to the CS16:49
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carograyany PB support staff here?17:25
carograyI am saving an article and it isn't saving..17:25
carograydo I put this in support board or login request or can I use IRC?17:25
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@rizenall support should start with the support board17:53
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SDuensinCrazy idea.  How portable are webgui packages?  Rather than upgrading, can I export my site and re-import on a fresh install of everything?  (Going from 7.4.11 to current.)18:52
@Haargshould work18:55
SDuensinSeriously?  That'd save me a crazy amount of effort.18:56
@Haargthat only includes content of course18:57
SDuensinWhat else is there?  My uploads I can copy.  These sites have no custom objects or macros.18:58
SDuensinUsers?  Just me and the site owner.  I can re-do those.18:58
@Haargpackages include the uploads18:58
SDuensinEven better.  :-)18:58
@Haargusers, settings, that kind of thing18:59
@Haargsounds like that isn't a concern in this case though18:59
SDuensinNot really.18:59
SDuensinOf course, upgrading would be ideal, but I can't get the !$#^*% WRE running on my test box.18:59
SDuensinI'd re-do the backup and restore, but it's 22 gig across the slow-ass internet.  :-(19:00
@Haargactually, there are some things that aren't included in packages19:00
@Haargfor certain assets19:00
@Haarglike dataform entries, or with pre-7.5, dataform field definitions19:00
SDuensinWell, before I try the package thing, I'm going to re-install my WRE and WebGUI binary stuff on top of what I already have in place.  See if that fixes my missing BS.19:01
@Haargi think the 0.8.5 vmware image is available now19:01
@Haargwhich may make things simpler19:01
SDuensinI'm a VMware junkie.  :-)19:01
SDuensinUntarring 22G into my VM really made it mad the other day.  (Was also moving 400G from one USB drive to another.  Bad idea.)19:07
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CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7726 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/SectionJSON.pm Survey.pm): minor changes20:16
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7727 /WebGUI/docs/ (77 files in 6 dirs): move branch point up to 7.5.2420:16
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7728 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: fix Crud-dy whitespace20:16
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@tavistohas anyone in here ever developed an application where a website visitor types in a zip code, selects the distance (radius) and then it spits out locations that are close to that particular zip code?21:48
@tavistoI'm curious if this would have a high degree of difficulty if it was developed and used on a WebGUI site21:49
nubatavisto: i played a bit with that when developing my unfinished google maps asset21:57
nubatavisto: its not very complicated21:57
@tavistoah okay that's good to hear21:58
nubatavisto: may be done with google's api to geocode the locations21:58
nubaor maybe directly from your db, depending on how your are storing locations21:58
@tavistowell that's excellent. Think we'll need to build out this functionality21:59
nubaif you geocode then and store the resulting data, with latitude and longitude, then searching within a given radius is 21:59
nubaust geometry basic work21:59
nubamore fancy things can be done using driving distances and times22:00
nubatravel times*22:00
@tavistoyeah I'm thinking maybe we could get fancy with this app22:00
nubatavisto: nice. bbiaw, relocating...22:01
+perlDreamerHaarg, since the release of .23 yesterday, I can't use my resetdev script.23:15
+perlDreamerIt tries to upgrade from .21 to .22 and fails due to the assetHistory schema change in 7.623:15
@Haargyeah23:15
@Haargi'm fixing that right now23:15
+perlDreamercool, thanks :)23:16
@Haargforgot to copy over the 7.5.24 db scripts23:16
@Haargcommitted23:18
@Haargthere's a lot of stuff in the import node to be cleaned up23:31
@perlmonkey2Nice video23:32
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7729 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: use isAdminOn instead of the variable directly23:33
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7730 /WebGUI/docs/ (previousVersion.sql create.sql): missed the db scripts when moving branch point23:33
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7731 /WebGUI/docs/ (155 files in 24 dirs): 7.6.0 is a stop version23:33
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7732 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): fixed: shortcuts don't notify browsers of updates to their shortcutted asset23:33
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+perlDreamerpreaction: does the CSV spec require or forbid quoted fields?23:50
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@Haargso if i clean up the import node, it is 2 pages instead of 400:27
+perlDreamerwhat kind of cleaning up needs to be done?00:35
+perlDreameris it crufty, or something else?00:35
@Haargthere were a number of old templates that shouldn't be there00:37
@Haargand there are the 'new 7.x.x templates' folders00:37
@Haargreorganizing their contents00:38
@Haargand things like putting all the macro templates in one folder00:38
@Haargis there a reason we don't handle autocommit assets in Asset::www_editSave along with the other auto commit stuff?00:55
+perlDreamerNo idea00:57
@Haargi was looking at allowing autocommit assets to be added before their parent is committed00:57
@Haargand having to make changes in a bunch of areas00:58
@tavistonuba, you there?01:05
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miloidrrPerlDreamer Hi01:53
miloidrrI have a question about the ordering of the cs01:53
miloidrrThere is any option to order by rank?01:53
+perlDreamermiloidrr, if you look in the Edit Collaboration System screen, under the Display tab, it gives you all the options01:55
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CIA-39WebGUI: translation * r7733 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Shop.pm: Update from translation server02:14
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miloidrrbut can i order a cs by rank?02:17
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miloidrrThe post?02:18
+perlDreamermiloidrr, you can sort posts in a CS by sequence added, date updated, date creatd, title, any of the 5 user defined fields, or the karma rank.  Post ranking is not an option02:29
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7734 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (23 files): dont need these02:44
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7735 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added WebGUI::Crud API as a base for all database backed objects.02:44
miloidrrOk Perldreamer03:05
miloidrr}Tks03:05
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elninohi!  doing an upgrade of webgui using wre frm 7.4.40 to 7.5.24.. I forget, does the wre install the perl mods for me that are listed in the gotchas? or should I do that via cpan?  I have the latest wre intsalled.04:47
elninohmm. and the upgrade script fail because it couldn't find mysqldump. Should that not be included with wre?04:50
elninoI've verified that mysqldump is in /data/wre/prereqs/bin04:52
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elninowow. I'm at a loss. I've restored my webgui files and domain files, and spectre won't start05:16
elninoI'm getting a POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for error.05:17
elninoit's the origina spectre file from May.05:18
elninohmm. when you do a webgui upgrade and it fails, do I need to restore the wre directory as well?05:46
elninoso.. everything is up. and what I got out of this excersize is that the data is actually modified in order to take down the website. because I didn't think I would need to restort the data as the upgrade didn't get that far at all.05:51
elninoI'd like to try this upgrade again, but I'm unclear as to wther I need to install the perl mods listed in the gotcha file when I alrady have wre .085 which should have these already (at least I thought that was the point of having wre)06:17
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7736 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm: Fixed an problem in getUsersNotIn which was causing the wrong users to be returned.15:40
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elninogood morning. I had a failed upgrade lastnight from 7.4.40 to 7.5.24 it couldn't find mysqldump, even though it's i n/data/wre/prereqs/bin. I have wre .085  has this problem been reported?18:15
elninoI guess I can try running it without making a backup via the upgrade script. - that's where it failed.18:29
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7737 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: the fork method screwed up pathing so you couldn't set config file properties, and probably other things too. reverting to previous revision19:41
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7738 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: admin console pluggability20:10
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7739 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl: added admin console plugability20:41
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7740 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm: added admin console plugability20:41
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7741 /WebGUI/t/i18n/adminConsole.t: added admin console plugability20:41
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7742 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Config.pm sbin/upgrade.pl): make WebGUI::Config more reliable with relative paths and chdir. fixes forking upgrade.23:54
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elninowhen I do an upgrade using wre, do I need to install the perl modules in the gotcha using cpan? i have the latest wre (0.8.5) - I understood that wre had all the prerequisetes, so it seem I shouldn't need to. 00:09
@Haargyou should be fine00:10
@Haargbut you can run testEnvironment.pl to be certain00:10
elninooh yeah, good idea..00:10
elninook.  Thanks! I'll note both of those in the wiki,00:11
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7743 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t: fix leaking products and shelves in test00:25
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7744 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (15 files in 9 dirs): Rev 1 of Help Desk complete. Just need to add the migration script now01:54
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7745 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t: back porting shelf test cleanup fix05:22
@rizengo pd go05:26
@rizengo pd go05:26
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perlDreamer1rizen, I broke WebGUI again06:25
perlDreamer1it's been a few months since the last time06:25
@rizenyou did?06:25
perlDreamer1I did06:25
@rizeni'm in the process of really breaking the hell out of it right now06:26
@rizenso no biggie =)06:26
perlDreamer1I have a script which imports and exports templates06:26
perlDreamer1and it has a small problem06:26
perlDreamer1if the last line of the template doesn't have a newline in it06:26
perlDreamer1then the head section of the template isn't processed properly06:26
@rizenyeah, that's not good06:26
perlDreamer1I only touched about 50 templates in 7.5.2406:26
perlDreamer1Like Style 106:27
@rizenbut you're fixing it, right?06:27
perlDreamer1even as we speak06:27
@rizenbreaking stuff isn't all that bad as long as you fix it06:27
perlDreamer1true06:27
perlDreamer1but I thought I should tell someone06:27
@rizenwhy are we making sweeping changes to templates in 7.5...it's supposed to be in bug fix mode06:28
perlDreamer1there were bugs that needed to be fixed06:28
perlDreamer1like using the gateway macro the wrong way06:28
@rizenthere is a problem though06:28
perlDreamer1just 1 :)06:28
@rizenyou need to fix whatever problems you created both in 7.5.25 and 7.6.006:28
perlDreamer1yes06:28
perlDreamer1How are you breaking WebGUI?06:29
perlDreamer1rizen: in the latest Chat with JT, is there any audio after time index 2:10?07:00
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@rizeni'll check07:10
@rizensorry for the delay07:10
@rizendidn't see you there07:10
@rizeni'm breaking webgui by putting in the new restructured assets in the config file07:11
@rizenandi already put in pluggable admin console07:11
@rizenfuck07:13
perlDreamer1yeah, that07:13
@rizenthere doesnt' appear to be any audio07:14
@rizenthere was when i created it07:14
@rizeni'll have to re-record it07:14
perlDreamer1not only that, but try to look at the latest bug on WebGUI.org07:14
perlDreamer1I take one week off to work on $dayJob, and WebGUI just goes to pot!07:14
@rizenwhat have you done07:14
perlDreamer1Ah, this time I'm innocent07:14
perlDreamer1I just picked a bad title for a Post07:15
@rizeni'll have to get Haarg to look into that. =)07:15
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7746 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (28 files in 3 dirs): fix all the templates that I broke with my stupid/wonderful template script07:21
perlDreamer1rizen: templates fixed07:26
@rizenfine fix the templates07:27
@rizensee if i care07:27
perlDreamer1I _could_ break them again...07:27
@rizenhaarg would be mad at you07:27
perlDreamer1He'll already be mad at me for the ~~~ title bug07:28
@preactionhttp://www.plainblack.com/bazaar/underground-style <- clickwhoring!07:30
@rizenwhy is that click whroing?07:31
@preactionbecause you had to click on it to see what i was talking about, thus upping my click count07:32
perlDreamer1I can't get to that URL07:32
@rizenso you just decided you wanted to make a new cool template for peeps?07:34
@preactionfirst of many i suspect07:34
@rizennice07:34
@preactionneed to flex my design muscle07:34
@rizenis this practice for the upcoming two trainings you have?07:34
perlDreamer1kick rogier's butt, dude07:35
@preactionit wasn't initially, but halfway through i realized it'd be good practice07:35
perlDreamer1and it doesn't say who uploaded it07:35
@rizenthe style looks nice07:35
@rizeni'm still pleased that i put in the time with the bazaar, but i'm a little disappointed that there hasn't been more uploading or more purchasing for that matter07:36
perlDreamer1yeah, me too07:36
@preactionif i'm subscribed to the item, will i get notifications of comments?07:44
@rizenyes07:45
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7747 /WebGUI/docs/ (27 files in 2 dirs): backport the fixed templates that I broke with my stupid/wonderful template script07:52
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* perlDreamer1 goes to bed, because I'm old08:02
@rizenindeed08:02
perlDreamer1You young-ins, keep on working08:02
@rizensweet dreams perl dreamer08:02
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@rizenanybody that's here: do you have a preference of one over the other of these: http://www.webgui.org/webgui/roadmap/features/new-new-content-menu08:11
@preactionone sec08:12
@preactionwould they both function the same, just look differently?08:12
@preactionthe important one being: would the nested tab menu remain open to the last one you were looking at?08:13
@preactioni like the nested tab menu one, it makes the admin accordian look nice and polished08:14
@rizensetting a cookie to keep track of which ones you have open or not could be done08:14
@rizenbut that's not my primary concern, rather just how it should looks08:15
@preactionthen the nested tab one, the second one08:15
@rizenmy thought with the nested tab is that it's not substantially different enough from the accordian so it may be easy to get lost quickly08:15
@preactionuse colors to differentiate the lower-level tabs08:16
@rizenas far as the tree one, it need not look like a file explorer tree...really we're just alking about the concept of + vs - or > vs V08:16
@rizenso you are saying you want an accordian within the accordion then08:17
@rizen?08:17
@preactionthe way it looks in my mind's eye seems that's the better option08:17
@rizenk08:17
@rizenof the people i've got answers to that question from, it's split about 50/50 right now08:18
@preactionnice08:19
@preactionthe confusion about the lower-level accordians can be fixed, but the folder view thing can't really be made any more spiffy08:19
@preactionto me it seems a throwback from old windows08:19
@rizenagain, the folder icons wouldn't be displayed08:20
@preactionbut that is just the style i guess08:20
@rizeni may have to build both because everyone seems to be having trouble picturing exactly what they'll look like or how they'll work08:21
@preactionyeah, from a usability standpoint i can see that Folder view would be better08:21
@preactionso if we got a designer to jazz it up, that might be best08:21
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7748 /WebGUI/t/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add a test for importing product tables when the headers and fields are quoted08:22
@rizenone more option: http://www.webgui.org/uploads/-D/O-/-DO-oR4d2jff2-BaxZIxMQ/Picture-2.png08:30
@preactionso no multi-level at all?08:31
@preactionthe extra clicks are good, imho. having to scroll is bad08:32
@rizennone of these are going be multi-level (categories inside of categories)08:32
@rizenjust 1 level of hierarchy08:32
@rizenand this has that08:32
@rizeni don't like scrolling or clicking08:33
@rizenbut the fact of the matter is we have a lot of damn assets08:33
@rizenso no matter what we do someone will be unhappy08:33
@preactioni'd prefer clicking to scrolling, though hovering could work (but hovering gets annoying)08:33
@preactionthe only perfect solution would be a template :p08:33
@rizenhovering is bad08:34
@rizenand this isn't going to be a template08:34
@rizeni'm going to leave it flat like this until i can get more feedback08:37
patspamhi night owls08:43
patspammy money goes to the TreeView08:43
patspambut if you go with an accordion, I've had good success with the almost-official yui AccordionView widget (http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/yui-accordion/)08:45
@rizeninteresting, we already have an accordion object based on yui08:46
@rizenbut that one looks cool too08:46
patspamyeah, it's written by a Yahoo employee08:47
patspamand was featured on the yui blog (http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/07/25/accordionview/)08:47
@rizenpatspam, why is your money on treeview?08:48
patspamno deep reason, just my "decide in 2 seconds what you'd rather use" choice08:49
@rizenthanks for the link to this accordion08:50
patspamnp. I've actually got a TreeView inside an AccordionView on a dev site at http://p2.moodswings.net.au (admin/123qwe)08:51
patspamrizen: you done any sites where the data is encrypted prior to being stored in the db?09:11
@rizennot lately09:13
patspami've been researching it a bit lately out of necessity09:13
patspambrain dump will probably hit the dev list at some point ;)09:14
patspamoff the top of your head, would there be an easy way to get modperl to prompt the admin to enter a key at startup and then have that key stored in memory and shared across all modperl processes?09:15
@rizenno09:15
@rizenBut why would you want that09:15
@rizenwhat if modperl crashes09:15
@rizenthen all your data is forevr lost09:16
@rizenhttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/encryption-functions.html09:16
patspami need to do crypt outside of the db09:17
@rizenthese are all standard functions that you can use outside the db as well09:17
patspamdoing it in modperl, as opposed to a separate process or a dedicated HSM would just be a first tentative step towards building a solution09:17
@rizenthere are perl mods for each of these types09:18
patspamand having the key stored in memory is marginally more secure than keeping the key in the webgui config09:18
@rizenare you trying to encrypt data that is only in memory?09:19
@rizennot written out anywhere?09:19
patspamno09:19
@rizenthen why bother with this?09:19
patspamall I'm thinking about is where you keep the key09:19
@rizenif you have to worry about the security of your in memory data you have bigger problems than encryption09:19
@rizenyou eventually have to write it to disk somewhere, otherwise all the data that's encrypted will be lost forever if the process holding the key shuts down09:21
patspamnot if the admin enters the key on modperl startup09:21
@rizenwhat happens if your server reboots in the middle of the night?09:21
@rizenhe has to get up and type in the key?09:21
patspamyes09:21
@rizenso the site is down for the 20 minutes until he can get to it?09:21
patspamyes09:21
@rizenlame if you ask me09:22
patspamnot for a large site with dedicated 24/7 monitoring team09:22
@preactionwouldn't full-disk encryption achieve the same goal? or partition encryption or whatever09:22
@rizenalso...if you're relying on someone to type in a key09:22
@rizenthen chances are *they* will be writing it down somewhere09:22
@rizenand that somewhere will likely be less secure than your server hard disk09:22
@rizenit could be a post it on their desk, or a file on their pda09:23
@rizenor a file on their laptop09:23
patspampreaction: file-system encryption doesn't help in this case. db encryption protects you from someone accessing your db server and/or your db backups09:23
@rizenany way you look at it, likely less secure than your server09:23
patspamrizen: I'm much rather have the key in their office rather than embedded in the webgui config file on a live server connected to the internet09:24
@rizenthat's saying it's in their office09:24
patspami can see what you're getting at, there is going to be human element09:24
@rizenlaptops, briefcases, and pdas all leave the office09:24
patspamsame admins have access to the modperl server09:25
patspamthey can access the key from the webgui config file09:25
@rizenif you're concerned about it, set up a server inside your network behind the dmz that the web server can request it from09:25
patspamyeah that's the HSM approach09:26
@rizenin fact, you could put modperl behind one of those as well if you want09:26
@rizeninternet / firewall / modproxy / dmz / modperl / dmz / database, ldap, and key server09:26
patspammodperl will be as secured as possible. having the key stored only in memory on the modperl server just gives you a slight improvement over having the key stored in a config file09:28
@rizenyou could try doing readline input in preload.perl or a similar script09:28
@rizenbut i don't know if it will work09:29
@rizenand i think it's a mistake09:29
@rizenhumans are always less reliable for security than machines09:29
patspamyeah i played with that, wasn't sure if there was an apache way to share the key across processes though, aside from using something like IPC::ShareLite09:29
@rizencreate a class with a global variable in it09:30
@rizenthen you can access that variable from the code09:31
@rizenit will be shared across all processes09:31
patspamah ok, as an "our" var?09:31
@rizenyeah...you can see how we do  it in WebGUI::Config if you like09:31
patspampackage variable?09:31
patspamcool, thanks09:31
@rizenyes09:31
patspamI'll check it out09:31
@rizenthere's an apache way to do it too09:31
patspamPerlSetVar?09:32
@rizen$r->pnotes('wreConfig');09:33
@rizenpnotes09:33
@rizensee /data/wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm for details09:33
patspambrilliant, thanks jt09:34
patspammy modperl fu is weak09:34
@rizenit worries me that i'm enabling your bad decision09:34
patspamheh09:34
patspamI'm thinking along the lines of a WebGUI::Crypt module where you can choose your provider09:35
patspameach provider will have short-comings09:35
patspamand then I'll wrap things like UserProfile fields so that you can choose to turn on crypt for certain fields using whatever provider you've chosen in your config file09:35
patspamthe most basic provider will just have the key stored in the config file09:36
patspammore advanced providers would do encrypt/decrypt requests to a tamper-proof hardware security module (HSM) on the local network09:37
patspamand I'd add the same wrapping to Thingy fields, Survey2 fields, DataForm, etc..09:38
patspammotivation is that I need to be able to encrypt all Personally Identifying Information (PII), thanks to Australian Privacy Laws09:39
patspambad for performance and only improves protection against a limited set of attacks, but encryption is in vogue09:42
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patspamanyway, I'll put it in an email to the dev list so that everyone can tell me how insecure it is :)09:47
@preactionmight be easier to put the crypt stuff in WebGUI::SQL09:50
patspamyeah, except that it will only be enabled for a limited set of fields09:51
patspambecause anything you encrypt will make manual sql queries break, and you can no longer do ORDER BY etc.. on that field09:52
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7749 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 9 dirs): 23:08
CIA-39WebGUI: - Rebuilt AdminBar. Now renders faster, and has categories in the new content23:08
CIA-39WebGUI:  menu.23:08
CIA-39WebGUI: - Reconfigured asset configuration file properties23:08
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CIA-39WebGUI: dionak * r7750 /WebGUI/t/Operation/Auth.t: Adding test for Auth operation01:11
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7751 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: merge in a file needed for NotifyAboutLowStock02:43
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7752 /WebGUI/www/extras/ (9 files in 3 dirs): moving into a folder as it always should have been02:43
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7753 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm: internationalize the submit button for email reset password02:43
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7754 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm: backport i18n fix for Auth/WebGUI02:43
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7755 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: merge in a missing change required for NotifyAboutLowStock02:43
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7756 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 03:11
CIA-39WebGUI: Fix product exporting and importing through the Shelf.03:11
CIA-39WebGUI: Note that sku entries in the import and export file are now varSku.03:11
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7757 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (7 files in 5 dirs): backporting product import/export fix03:11
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7758 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): various fixes and enhancements for the asset configuration stuff i checked in earlier03:39
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7759 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Let the product importer import files with windows style line endings.04:08
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7760 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting product importer bug fix04:08
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elninoumm. when did passthruHandlers get changed to urlHandlers in the conf file?07:33
@preaction7.5.0 i think07:34
elninoOH. don't recall seing that in the gotchas... 07:35
elninowhat's { "^/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz$" : "WebGUI::URL::Snoop" }, supposed to do?07:36
@preactionput yourdomain.com/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz and see07:41
elninofunny.07:43
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elninowhile doing an upgrade there is a staatement saying fixing erronious utf8 data may take awhile, could that have messed up my (r) registered tradmarks. I don't know how they were entered in by marketing but they are now all question marks.07:51
elninofixing typos:   while doing an upgrade there is a statement that says "fixing erroneous utf8 data, may take awhile".  Could that have messed up the (r) registered tradmarks. I don't know how they were entered in by marketing but they are now all question marks.07:53
@preactionyes, that is what messed them up07:57
@preactionthey were entered in the wrong encoding07:57
@preactionthey should be using &copy; and &reg; (the HTML entities)07:57
elninoThey usually copy from MSWord.07:58
@preactionwhich is probably using cp-1291 (windows-specific formatting, somewhat compatible with ISO-899107:58
@preactionwe're using UTF-8 now07:58
elninook.  so did you allowed cp-1291 before, and now you won't? in otherwords, if they copy from word, will it "work" or will it display as a "?" from now on?08:02
@preactionit should work fine, conversion is done in perl on it08:03
@preactionthe problem we had was ISO-8991 text was being stored in a UTF-8 field08:03
@preactionit worked fine, but it was not UTF-808:03
@preactionit should work, but you should not be copy/pasting from Word in any case08:03
elninoyeh, well, I'll tell them, but I can't control them from doing that. our hr gal hates webgui or any web browser wysiwyg editor because it "never looks right" when she pastes things in.08:05
@preactionof course it doesn't, Word does bad things to text08:08
elnino=)08:08
@preactionbut nobody understands that it's Word's fault, of course08:09
@preactionjust like it's IE's fault it can't view webpages correctly08:09
elninoI hear it ALL the time. Bill gates can't do wrong.08:10
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elninoback to urlhanders, it seems that I should be able to access uploads and extras but I'm getting a 404. Is that how it's supposted to be "handeled"?08:18
@preactionurlhandlers, yes08:18
@preactionbut 404 probably not08:19
@preactionwhat's 404? just /uploads?08:19
elninothe handle listed for the uploads and extras is "passthru" but when I go to domainsite.com/uploads I get a 404 error - page not found08:19
elninoall five sites do this afteran upgrade, but I never bothere to look to see what happened before, so i don't know if it was a 404 before.08:20
elninojust poking around to see what does what.08:20
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@preactionare you sure it's 404 and not "Directory Index not allowed"?08:22
elninook. I SWEAR it was a 404, now it does say 403 forbidden. must have been cached. never mind. it works. =)08:23
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BartJolbut he isn't online right now14:13
Erik_Hi all14:14
Erik_I have a question about Commerce in 7.514:15
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BartJoldoes anybody know whether I can run wre 0.8.5 with 5.5.x sites?15:40
BartJolwith some config changes?15:40
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Lisettehi, i try to do a new version tag from an utility, but i have to commin manually, how to do this?, i have the next: my $versionTag = WebGUI::VersionTag->getWorking($session); $versionTag->commit;16:39
topsublisette, is that not working?16:41
Lisettenot16:41
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topsubI know another way to do it is off the obj you added16:41
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topsubso if you "addChild" off that obj call ->commit16:42
topsubThis is what i have in many of my scripts to commit.. http://pastebin.com/m40d8216d16:43
topsubWhich i believe is the same as what your doing16:43
Lisettei see, thanks16:44
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SDuensinGreetings.16:54
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Lisettewhat is cvv2 in the payDriver?17:17
dionakcvv2 is the security code on the back of a credit card17:21
Lisettethanks17:32
Lisettei can do a site map with the table asset of the database?17:33
dionaka sitemap is easily done with a navigation object17:39
dionakcan someone tell me where the order email template lives in shop?17:41
dionakah, found it 17:42
BartJolvia the shop in admin console17:43
BartJolmmm mustard after the dinner17:44
dionaki don't see it in the shop console. 17:44
BartJolno it isn't, you're right17:44
dionakwas just about to submit an rfe to add it. 17:44
BartJolplease enlighten me17:44
@rizenit's not in the shop console17:45
@rizenbecause you set it on each payment gateway17:45
@rizeneach one can have it's own notification17:45
dionakok, i see. the template is on the edit screen of the payment driver. thanks. canceling the rfe. :)17:46
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Erik_does anyone here have in depth knowledge of WG 7.5 commerce?18:02
Erik_very technical question here18:03
@rizenwhether i answer or not depends upon what the question is18:03
@rizenshoot18:03
Erik_we have an external product database18:04
Erik_and under 7.4 I have made an interface between the commerce system and that database18:04
Erik_so I could give a list or products and 'add to basket' links18:05
Erik_now, under 7.5, I feel customers need to go 'into' a product to add it to the basket18:05
Erik_so.. question 1 - is that so, that add to basket can onky be done 'inside' a product?18:06
Erik_question 2 - is it possible, like under 7.4, to write a product plugin so I don't need WG's product tables?18:06
@rizen1) you don't have to be viewing a product to be able to click a "add to cart" button, but you would have to know how to construct that button to match the product18:08
@rizenwe couldn't do a generic add to cart button because every type of Sku asset has a different way of working18:08
@rizenit needs to have this flexibility so we can support all different kinds of skus18:09
Erik_under 7.4, the link had a itemType parameter, so I could use my plugin. Does a similar system still work?18:09
@rizenthere is nothing about 7.5 commerce that is similar to 7.418:10
Lisettehow to do a map site by the database?18:10
@rizen2) i have no idea how you did it without using webgui's product tables in 7.4, but yes you could write an asset in 7.5 that would allow you to sell products out of whatever table you want to18:11
@rizenyou'd write a new sku asset to do it, and that asset would list the various products you have for sale, and then when you click "add to cart" it would have a configuration property of what thing you're actually selling18:12
Erik_so, so how does the system know to use *that* plugin?18:13
Erik_I can write and Sku asset, that's not really the problem. Problem is more the integration with the rest18:14
Erik_thank you. I'll get writing :)18:16
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@rizenyou just add it to your assets directive in the config file18:53
@rizenskus are all assets in webgui now18:53
@rizenoops, i guess he left18:53
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+MrHairgreaseperlbot rot13 MrHairgrease19:05
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* ZeUnveternfr thinks encryption is easy19:05
+ZeUnveternfr=)19:05
BartJolmmm19:08
BartJolperlbot rot13 ZeUnveternfr19:11
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BartJolgood encryption :)19:11
+MrHairgreaseit's really fast19:11
BartJolans louzy security apparently19:12
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+perlDreamerrizen: Any final thoughts on the product import csv header?19:29
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metanilis this the way, i should get the groupname?19:47
metanil my $group = WebGUI::Group->new($session, $group_id); #get group name here;19:47
metanil my $group_name = $group->name;19:47
BartJollooks about right19:48
metanilbut i got,  WebGUI::Operation::Group::www_editGroupSave. Root cause: Can't locate object method "stow" via package "WebGUI::MyCustom::Code" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm line 99819:49
BartJolversion?19:50
metanil7.4.17-stable19:51
metanilBartJol: 7.4.17-stable19:51
BartJolwhat's that stow function?19:55
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BartJolthat's indeed not available at Group.pm19:56
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CIA-39WebGUI: frank * r7762 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HelpDesk.pm: Fixed a bug in install script20:39
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7763 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm: updated to reflect changes in configurable asset properties20:39
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7764 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: fix busted pod in Asset.pm20:39
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CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r7766 /releases/ (4 files): adding correct release tags20:39
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r7767 /WebGUI/www/extras/accordion/accordion.js: fixed spacing problem20:39
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CIA-39WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7768 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Editor is 98% finished. (still wrapping up final bits on drag and drop)21:17
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CIA-39WebGUI: chrisn * r7769 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): users may now customize the post received page for the CS21:50
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ckotilIm now running a hot backup of webgui. The backup is using a database that is a slave of my production webgui site. this makes it difficult to login.22:19
ckotilIs there a template variable that I can use to distinguish which site im currently on, to change the login url to the appropriate site?22:20
ckotilhrmm,a  relative url might just work.22:20
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ckotilis there a template variable to print out the hostname of a site?22:42
BartJolhostname?22:46
BartJollike myserver.mydomain.com?22:46
ckotilyeah22:46
BartJoldon't think so22:47
ckotilyeah, im considering a custom macro22:47
BartJolthat would probably be the way to go22:47
ckotili just need my login url to be dynamic so that the hotbackup will not use the production hostname to login22:47
@Haargthere's the company url macro22:47
ckotilthat would almost work, but the hot backup uses a slave of the production database22:48
ckotilso the company url would be the same22:48
ckotili need like %{HTTP_HOST} , the http variable22:48
ckotili think its a cgi variable22:48
@Haargwhy do you need the hostname if you want a dynamic url?22:49
ckotilthe hostname needs to be dynamic22:49
ckotilthe url will be the same22:49
ckotili have a production site, and a hot backup. the backup gets rsync'd every 15 minutes, and uses a slave of the production db. so they are exactly the same. when you login on the backup, it takes you tot the production. unless you fudge the login url22:50
BartJolso you want a uname -n commando executed by a macro?22:52
ckotili really want %{HTTP_HOST} to be returned.22:52
ckotiluname -n would work in most cases too.22:53
ckotilHTTP_HOST is more robust, since it can account for name based vhosts22:53
BartJolah22:53
BartJolok22:53
BartJolwell, I don't think you can call that anywhere standard22:55
BartJolso a macro it will be22:55
+perlDreamerckotil: ^Env(HTTP_HOST); ?22:55
BartJolooh22:55
ckotiloh yeah?22:55
+perlDreamerThat's just a guess22:55
ckotilhell yeah!!22:55
ckotilit seems to exist.22:56
* ckotil tries22:56
BartJolI thinkI translated that a looong time ago22:56
* BartJol is bringing his bike outside22:57
ckotilpd: that worked! thanks man22:59
ckotilEnv wasnt defined in my config, but once I mapped it out. works like a charm.22:59
ckotilnow I can use H:T:E to make this work ;)23:00
ckotilor wait.23:00
ckotilmacro's are processed after H:T:E23:00
ckotilstill gonna have to do custom macro to serve up the proper url23:02
@Haargyou are using encrypt login?23:07
ckotilyeah23:07
ckotilso i have to account for that as well. I was going to try and use modrewrite to pull that off.23:07
ckotilim using a custom SSO auth too. cosign23:08
ckotilbut w/ a custom macro, i can serve up the exact url I need , depending on which site a user is originating from23:08
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elninohi. I got two workflows that are suspended in spectre and when I click RUN via the admin console, I get "undefined". I've tried restarting spectre this is 7.5.24 and wre .085 Any thoughts?23:17
BartJolsomething in the log?23:21
elninoWORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of alsdgoausdweuffgjhkfuygr23:24
BartJolah, that covers a lot "Something bad" :)23:25
elninoyeah.23:25
BartJolthat string looks a bit strange to me23:25
elninoIt's coming from spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_even[1012]23:26
BartJolmostly there are also capitals or numbers in there, still not impossible though23:26
elninowell, that string is the ID, I didn't bother typiing it for real.23:26
elnino=)23:26
BartJolah23:26
BartJolwhat does it say when you go to /data/WebGUI/sbin and give the command perl spectre.pl --run --debug?23:29
elninothat's where it is.. I was looking for it.  It's been a while...23:30
elninohold on.23:30
elninoCan't locate POE/Component/IKC/ClientLite.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ../lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at spectre.pl line 22.23:30
elninoBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at spectre.pl line 22.23:30
elninothat's not good.23:30
BartJol. /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh23:31
BartJolI think tehe environment isn't good23:31
elninothere it goes.. hold on.23:31
* BartJol seeking grip23:32
elninowell. they haven't gone thru, but I created a new one and moved the old changes to the new verstion tag, commited IT and IT went thru.23:34
elninoI guess they are stuck in lala land.23:35
BartJoljoy23:35
elninothat doesn't give me any warm fuzzies. 23:35
BartJolah, lalaland, probably the place where all the left socks go23:35
elninoIt IS!! Have you been there!?!?!23:35
BartJolstill planning a trip23:35
BartJolhad any hickups in the server lately?23:36
elninowell, just an upgrade last night, which went smoothly.23:37
BartJolversion tag was already there when upgrading?23:37
elninoit must have been. I didn't look to be honest.23:38
BartJolchangelog does not mention anything with versioning23:39
BartJolbut...23:39
elninothere were a lot of changes, from 7.4.40 to 7.5.24, with the moving of changes between version tags, and with a start and end dates new functionality23:39
BartJolah, that was the upgrade23:39
elninoI've "empted" the two stuck version tags. and am going to set the "begin" date for tomorrow to see if they go thru.23:39
BartJolwell, I can imagine that that could have caused some trouble23:40
ckotilthe custom macro works like a charm. :)23:42
ckotilI call the http_host env variable and build the login url.23:42
BartJolthe custom ^Env(); macro?23:42
ckotilthat didnt work for me. but i used the basic idea of that macro. 23:43
BartJolnice23:43
ckotilfetch http_host env variable, then build the login url and return it via the macro23:43
BartJolthat sounds doable23:43
elninois there a cool macro that I use that lists the subscriptions I have on the site? and is there a way to unsubscribe?23:46
BartJolI think a sql report would be nice for that23:47
ckotilplainblack list subscriptions on www.plainblack.com23:47
+perlDreamerapeiron: "hay guies Your post has been received "23:48
@apeironperlDreamer, oh dear23:48
* apeiron blushes23:48
+perlDreamerHow about ^International(439); instead23:48
BartJoleh, is that in i18n?23:48
BartJoland I missed it?23:48
+perlDreameror, better yet23:49
+perlDreamer^International(post received,Asset_Post); and ^International(439);23:49
+perlDreamerI need a new thinkgeek-type shirt23:50
+perlDreamerinstead of "I read your email"23:50
+perlDreamerit needs to say23:50
+perlDreamer"I read your SVN commit logs"23:50
@apeironperlDreamer, cafepress or such?23:50
BartJolI'm almost sure perlDreamer also checks my Dutch23:51
+perlDreameris PB.com broken?23:52
+perlDreamerThe link to the participate page doesn't work for me23:52
+perlDreamerI get the WSOD23:52
@Haargit was broken23:53
@Haargthen i broke it more23:53
@Haargfixing is in progress23:53
+perlDreamerok23:53
+perlDreamerI'm sorry about breaking the bug system, btw23:53
BartJoloverload in fixing?23:53
@Haarghow so?23:53
@Haargthe ~~~ thing?23:53
+perlDreameryeah23:53
@Haargyeah, well that code needs to be changed anyway23:54
@Haargprobably use guids or some such23:54
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@apeironperlDreamer, Another "what not to do" with wG programming: adding a new template to an asset without changing the upgrade script to add the DB field for it.00:05
elninoI'm looking at the mySubscriptions Macro on the bazaar, and it comes with a template. So I'm making the template, but I don't see the macro as a choice for Namespace. Is there a why for the macro to show up in the list? I'll update the wiki if someone knows.00:16
CIA-39WebGUI: chrisn * r7771 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (2 files in 2 dirs): I'm dumb, fix the default post received upgrade path and package. Thanks, perlDreamer.00:17
@Haargelnino, it lists namespaces that already exist00:20
@Haargwhich makes it a bit odd to create new ones00:20
@Haargyou can create your template as a different namespace00:21
elninowell, it's a new macro  with it's own template.00:21
@Haargthen use sql to alter it00:21
@apeironAFAIK it doesn't need a namespace since it looks up the template by ID.00:21
@Haargthat is true00:21
@apeironIn other words, add the template, call the macro with the template ID, and it'll fetch it directly, no namepsace needed.00:21
elninobut I did just see a newsletter/mysubscriptions.  Maybe there is already a macro to list mysubscriptions?00:21
@Haargsince there is no ui for selecting templates on macros00:22
@rizenperlDreamer: sorry if i sounded harsh yesterday about the change you made on imports00:23
BartJolelnino: that's not the way you want to display all subscriptions, right?00:24
elninoSince there is already a namespace called newletter/mysubscription - I'm wondering if 7.5.24 already has the capabilities of listing my subscriptions - so I don't need the one from the bazaar00:24
elninoI just want to see "my subscriptions" =(00:24
elninoI was going to see if the macro from the bazaar worked.00:25
elninoand I'm assuming "subscriptions" being subscriptions to forums, newsletteers, etc.00:26
BartJolit should, but only from 1 newsletters asset00:27
elninooh. I want to know all my subscriptions SITE wide. any such thing?00:28
BartJolwell, I still think that a SQL report could be the solution00:29
BartJolselect * from subscriptions where userId=?, ^userId;00:30
BartJolor something like that00:30
BartJolprobably combining a few tables to get it nice and need00:30
elninook. ididn't know if that suggestion was directed to me or some other converstaion. ckotil said that plainblack list subscriptions on www.plainblack.com, I'm assuming he was refering to the macro, or thought that I was able to login to plainblack to see what they did.00:32
elninoI'll do both, see where this goes, we're kinda playing around with newsletters. I'm assuming that a subscription is a subscription they are all cs wobjects anyway, right?00:33
BartJoltable is Newsletter_subscriptions;00:34
BartJolbut you should check whether in the CS there is a same kind of field00:34
BartJolSubsciption is actually also a wobject with connection to the event manger00:35
BartJolso that wouldn't be the right table00:36
BartJolIf I am correct, you add yourself to a group when subscribing to a forum00:38
BartJolso it will be an elaborate sql statement00:39
BartJolbetter two statements00:39
BartJolbut I have to go to bed now00:39
elninothat's fine, I'v got the db schema handy. Thanks for your help!00:40
BartJolhave to get up early tomorrow00:40
BartJolnp, I'm learnin a lot this way00:40
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elninooh..  Am I reading the dbschema right? subscription describes three things?  eventmanager stuff, newsletter stuff, and collaboration system stuff? one term for three thigns is confusing..  00:46
+perlDreamersame term used in three places00:47
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+perlDreameryou can subscribe to a cs00:48
+perlDreamerand a newsletter00:48
+perlDreamerand while I'm not sure about the eventmanager stuff, I'm sure the term is applicable there as well00:48
elninoand a newsletter ISN"T a CS, that's what I just gathered from the dbschema00:48
elninoI thought it was.00:48
+perlDreamerit is00:48
@rizenelnino there are two "subscription" concepts in webgui00:49
+perlDreamerit inherits from Collaboration.pm00:49
@rizen1) there is a Subscription sku asset00:49
+perlDreamerFor being added to a group when you pay00:49
@rizenwhich is for selling access to some area of the site00:49
@rizen2) there is a "subscribe" to some function, which sends you an email00:49
+perlDreamerit adds you to a group for free00:50
@rizenwhich is used in things like bazaar and CS00:50
@rizenand both of them are just adding you to a group00:50
@rizenso theya re athe same concept00:50
@rizenas pd suggests00:50
@rizenthey are just free vs paid00:50
elninoSo the subscription Table covers both?00:50
+perlDreamerno00:50
@rizenthe subscription table00:51
@rizenis for the subscription sku00:51
@rizenbut it doesnt' store subscriptions there00:51
@rizenit just stores subscription properties00:51
@rizenthe thing you're trying to seel00:51
@rizenthe actuall subscriptions are still stored in a group00:51
@rizenall subscriptions are just a reference to a group00:51
elninook.  that works. Ill rewrite this up for a wiki.00:55
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elninoHOw then is subscribing to a thread work?  Is it a virtual group of some sort/00:57
elnino?00:57
@preactionnot a virtual group, a real group that just doesn't show up in forms01:00
elninook.. and to unsubscribe I delete myself from the group? can users do that?01:10
@preactionyes01:10
+perlDreameryes, sorta?  You can't directly access the group, but you can unsubscribe from a CS01:11
elninook. I can work with "sorta" =)01:12
+perlDreamerwell, if you went looking to do that as a user through the group Admin screen it wouldn't show the group01:13
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dionakwhen i view op=auth, i see a link for 'see my friends' and 'view inbox'. anyway to easily turn off those options? 01:45
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+perlDreamerdionak: nope01:49
+perlDreamerbut there may already be an rfe for that01:49
+perlDreamerI know others have asked for it01:49
+perlDreamerthe code is in Operation/Shared.pm, sub accountOptions01:50
dionakthanks. yea, that would be a nice RFE since there is no css to hook onto. 01:51
dionaknot sure where it would live in admin tho for configuring01:52
+perlDreamersomething in settings that says: Do you want to use the Inbox?  Sub note: If you don't version control and other functions may not work well.01:52
+perlDreamerand Friends, and Private Messaging01:53
+perlDreamerLikewise with Friends.  Disabling that will affect some Gallery functionality.01:53
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dionakmakes sense. Btw, I found the RFE. Arjan is suggesting to break out the links into separate template variables which would also be great b/c it could more more markup from code (the unordered list). 01:57
+perlDreamerthat's what I call an iceberg RFE.01:57
+perlDreamerIt's 5 minutes of coding01:57
+perlDreamerand 2 hours of template hacking01:57
+perlDreamerand 1 hour of template variable help work01:58
dionaklol02:00
dionakthe template variable bit would get part of the RFE. Sounds several users have wanted to be able to configure it from the admin. 02:00
dionakdidn't you say in your talk on contributions that if it's rated, a patch would be considered?02:01
dionakor am i mistaken?02:01
+perlDreamerYou are not mistaken.02:01
+perlDreamerI would develop the patch and address everything I mentioned.02:01
+perlDreamerthen post back to the RFE with the patch (against 7.6) and email JT as a reminder.02:02
+perlDreamerIf he says it's good, then commit it02:02
dionakok, let me see what i can do. would you mind reviewing it for me if i feel that's needed? 02:02
+perlDreamerSure!02:02
dionakgreat! thanks02:03
+perlDreamerKnow how well you code, all I'm likely to say is "needs tests".02:03
dionakyes, that would be expected. 02:04
dionakyou can probably tell me where or know of convention a bit more than I. That is usually what's most helpful. 02:05
dionakor just answering a question, which you do all of the time. 02:05
dionakmuch appreciated02:05
+perlDreamerYou're welcome.02:08
dionaklooks like accountOptions is called in a few places and gets put into a single variable. like Operation/Profile.pm line 23402:09
+perlDreameryes02:10
dionakwhat were you thinking of re: the 5 minutes of coding?02:10
+perlDreamer5 minutes is probably too little02:11
+perlDreameraccountOptions would return a hash instead of an array02:11
+perlDreamerthen, inside accountOptions, all the logic for enabling or disabling certain fields would be added02:12
dionakand the code calling accountoptions would need to change to handle the hash. instead of 1 variable, the hash from accountoptions would probably need to be mapped into the template var hash.  02:13
+perlDreameryes02:13
+perlDreamer%vars = (%vars, %accountOptions);02:13
dionakhow would you add the settings to the admin? look at an existing yes/no and copy that idea? looks like all the admin settings are in the settings table02:16
dionaki see operation/settings handles the admin settings. i'll look a bit more in there02:19
+perlDreamerIn addition to the UI, you need to add some code to an update script02:19
+perlDreamer$session->setting->add ? I think it is02:19
+perlDreamerthat will handle the db code for you02:19
+perlDreameryeah, $session->setting->add('field', 'value');02:20
elninohi dionak!02:21
dionakwhat update script? is this a WG upgrade script? upon a quick look, i'm thinking i can add the configure fields to the definition02:21
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dionakhey elnino! you've been pretty busy lately. been seeing you on a lot02:22
elninoI'm up to 4 webgui sites. and they are finally using the latest and greatest 7.5.24!02:22
+perlDreamerdionak: yes, a wG upgrade script.  docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl or similar02:23
elninoplease tell william, I'm not ignoring him. I've been getting his emails.02:23
dionakhaha, ok. i'll pass the message along. 02:23
dionakpd, when i get that far i'll ask more after looking. 02:24
dionakif needed02:24
dionakhey patspam02:24
elninothat goes for tavis too, I've been getting his emails too. =)02:24
dionakelnino, are you still game to do template testing once we get that far?02:25
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elninoyes, I have a couple more sites coming along that I can try using the ones available, (I forgot where they were). I hadn't heard anything, I thought maybe no one liked me. =(02:26
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patspamhey dionak!02:29
dionakyea, well. after you made fun of JT and later got us kicked out of the bar for dancing on the tables....it was a challenge. 02:29
dionakno more tequila for you lady02:30
elninosorry.02:31
elninoI won't do it again.02:31
elninoI have responsibilites now. 02:32
elninodionak - do you remember where the templates are on pb that they have so far? would it be of value to try those out?02:33
elninoor are they too old?02:33
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r7772 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add support for the original sku entry in the header.02:35
elninohey patspam, never did get back to the email server. I just keep hoping it will configure itself. =) I'll get back to it again here shortly.02:36
elninodid you have a good fathers day brunch?02:36
patspamah ok, was wondering how you went with that02:36
patspamyeah it was funny, took him to a place that's usually booked out on mothers day, and it was almost empty.. i guess people don't take their dads out to brunch02:37
dionakelnino, i'm looking..02:38
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elninopatspam, that's too bad for the dads, somehow it's the moms that always get the attention. Dads need to be recognized too!!02:39
elninodionak I can look too, thoguth maybe you'd know off the top of your head =)  02:42
elninoWho else was on the "team"?02:42
elninoi'm stepping away.. I'll be back.02:43
dionak_i found them. http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/new-default-webgui-templates?pn=302:43
dionak_i just did a svn up, removed and added back a dev site and i'm missing db columns03:02
dionak_lastPageViewed is missing from userLoginLog table03:02
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elninodionak_  thanks!  did you update them? or are you referring to soemthing else you're working on?03:20
dionak_oh, my local webgui is borked b/c i'm missing db updates. was going to look at the templates. if you could look and offer feedback, that would be great. in the future, the template import will update the default templates instead of adding new ones. 03:21
dionak_can you see the WebGUI Templates Working Group under webgui.org/discuss? if not, we need to add you03:23
elninoYes I do. 03:24
elninowhat do you mean by "template import"?03:24
dionak_post comments there.03:24
dionak_there's a package on the link i sent with templates. rogier set those up so it makes new templates, instead of updating the default. 03:24
dionak_if we setup the package to use the existing templates and alter those, default templates will be updated when we import the package instead of making new templates03:25
dionak_template import = package import03:25
elninook. I'll import these. Are you wanting me just to try them out? or is it perfered that I use  them on an existing site/design.I can do both.03:33
dionak_i think just try them out for now and offer feedback03:35
elninok. I should be able to look at them this week sometime.03:37
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dionak_cool03:43
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metanili got  WebGUI::Operation::Group::www_editGroupSave. Root cause: Can't locate object method "stow" via package "WebGUI::MyCustom::Code" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm line 99806:53
metanilwhen try to get group name06:53
@preactionyou gave WebGUI::Group a different object instead of a session object (Which it was expecting)06:54
metanili took $session from sub www_editGroupSave {    my $session = shift;06:56
metanilpreaction: I called by my custom method within that www_editGroupSave method, when new group is created (when gid = 'new').06:59
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metanilWould this be ok?  my $users = $group->getAllUsers();08:50
metanil foreach my $user (@{$users}) { $user->username;}08:50
@preactionshould be fine08:53
metanili got Root cause: Can't locate object method "username" via package "ddOvdFzTgP2rgjRytd-97A" (perhaps you forgot to load "ddOvdFzTgP2rgjRytd-97A"?) :(08:54
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@preactiondon't mean to be rude, but check the docs, they'll say what the method returns08:58
@preactionif it doesn't return what the docs say, or the docs are unclear, post a bug about it please08:58
@preactionthat way we know what part of the docs need fixing08:59
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Mech4221hi all...16:53
Mech4221would there be any interest in a patch to the latest release build.sh to make wre build on AMD64 based Debian systems16:54
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@rizenMech4221: absolutely17:01
@rizenplease submit your patch to webgui.org/rfe17:02
@rizen64 bit is one of the big features we're working towards in wre 0.9.017:02
Mech4221um - would ya willing to be take a paste of the diff (its small ) - I'm not registered on the webgui site17:05
Mech4221there's gotta be a pastebin around here somewhere...17:05
Mech4221ahh - its in the topic :-)17:06
@rizenwhy aren't you registered on the site17:06
@rizenif you patched the WRE you are obviously a user17:06
Mech4221rizen: no, actually - I've just a very tired and slightly annoyed evaluator :-)17:09
Mech4221install was a _lot_ bigger pita then I had budgeted for17:09
Mech4221but its done now, so life is good17:09
@rizeni'm sorry to hear that17:10
@rizenwas it a pita because we don't yet support 64bit and that's all you run?17:11
@rizenor was there something else?17:11
Mech4221pretty much - I lost out all around -  I run debian, 64Bit only, and Xen instead of VMWare ... :-P17:12
Mech4221some days, I just can't win :-)17:12
Mech4221http://www.pastebin.ca/121474917:12
Mech4221^^ -- patch file17:13
@rizenthank you17:13
@rizenwe do have a debian distro of the wre17:13
@rizenbut not for 64bit17:13
Mech4221Whee!  Just about to whack the 'automated download and install of webgui' button :-D17:14
@rizenand we have a partner ProcoliX that has been talking about putting together a Xen image, but hasn't done so yet17:14
Mech4221LOL - I have one of those now17:14
@rizenthey're a Xen solutions provider or something like that17:14
@rizenif you put it up somewhere that i can get it17:14
Mech4221if ya don't mind a debian based image - I'm running it in Xen now17:14
@rizeni'll publish it to sourceforge.net for you17:14
@rizenthen others can share in your glorious work17:15
Mech4221Umm - let me finish the automated download thingy and see if it works...17:15
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@rizengood call17:15
@rizen=)17:15
Mech4221I rebuild wre totally from source, and I'm a tad worried all the pieces won't fit17:16
Mech4221wow - that was fast...17:16
Mech4221looks like it installed...17:16
@rizenwebgui is actually quite small17:16
@rizenit's the prereqs that can kill you17:16
@rizenbut it's those prereqs that give us some of the most amazing features =)17:17
Mech4221heh - I'm really looking forward to a test drive..17:18
Mech4221some of the features I needed to evaluate didn't seem to be available on the demo system - like blogs ?17:18
Mech4221Hmm - it started mysql, but not apache ??  17:18
Mech4221does it default to using its own webserver like webmin does ?17:18
@rizenactually it's there, it's just not obvious17:18
@rizenin WebGUI the Collaboration System17:18
@rizenruns blogs and forums17:18
@rizenit's just a different template17:19
@rizendepending on what you want to do17:19
@rizenWRE Console does use it's own web server17:19
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@rizenthat's because it can configre webgui17:19
@rizensorry apache17:19
@rizenso if you screw something up, you still have a WRE console17:19
Mech4221Hmm - that makes sense17:19
Mech4221I gotta remember to add init scripts for the webgui local versions of mysql and apache17:20
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Mech4221rizen:  do you work for plain black ?17:21
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SDuensinHowdy.17:22
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BartJolrizen is plainblack17:22
Mech4221ahh cool...17:23
BartJolwell, the biggest mass portion anyway17:23
Mech4221rizen: if you don't mind me asking - do you guys do custom devel. work for webgui? and if so - how far in advance are you guys usually booked ?17:23
@rizenyes17:23
@rizenyes17:24
@rizenit depends on the size of the project17:24
@rizenbut we can usually get on a project within a couple of weeks of the request17:24
@rizensometimes faster17:24
@rizensometimes a bit longer17:24
@rizenemail your request to dev@plainblack.com17:24
@rizenthey'll get you a quote of time and money17:25
@rizenno charge17:25
Mech4221oh cool - I'm hoping to be able to do stuff myself - but its good to know there is commercial support /development if we need it17:25
Mech4221I was a bit concerned as the only thing that seems to come close to webgui is Typo3 - and that has a hellacious learning curve...17:26
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Mech4221rizen: btw - my background is Zope and Plone (Python) - so webgui represents a big break from 'tradition' for us17:30
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@rizeni'm glad to hear that you're even considering us then17:30
@rizena lot of places have 'religion' about that sort of thing17:31
@rizeni've got a meeting i've got to get to, but i'll be back later if you have other questions...thanks for the patch17:31
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Mech4221oh - no problem - nice talking to ya :-)17:31
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elninoIS this: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/multi-site-setup-7.5 explaining how ONE webgui database can support multiple domains?18:27
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@Haarglooks like it18:28
@Haargjust not very well explained18:28
elnino=)  18:29
elninolooks like www.domainsite.com would get recirected to www.mainsite.com/home2 or would the domainsite.com remain in the url?18:29
@Haargi'm not really sure18:32
elninofair enough. I'll try it and mark up the wiki.18:34
topsubis your session Id aviable threwout all templates?18:39
@Haargno, but there is a macro that will return it18:40
topsubah.. * goes to look *18:40
@Haargnot enabled by default, you would need to add it to the config file18:40
topsubthanks haarg18:40
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+perlDreamerHaarg, can I ask you about svn rev 7742 and this line:19:08
+perlDreamermy $webguiPath = Cwd::realpath(shift);19:08
+perlDreamerIt's causing the Config test to fail19:08
+perlDreamerprobably due to the fact that /data/WebGUI is a symlink19:08
@Haargthat would do it19:08
+perlDreamerShould I alter the test to do the same?19:09
@Haargit converts the path to an absolute path, tracing through symbolic links19:09
@Haargyeah, i would19:09
@Haargbasically, if you load a config then change directories19:09
@Haargusing relative paths19:10
@Haargit breaks writing to the config19:11
+perlDreamerwere those changes backported to 7.5?19:11
@Haargno19:12
+perlDreamerOkay, then I won't backport the test fix19:12
@Haargit could, but none of our code runs into it on 7.519:12
@Haargif i backport it, i'll grab your test changes too19:12
+perlDreamerCool.19:13
@Haargit only became a problem with the change i made to the upgrade script19:13
@Haargsince the upgrade script was loading the config files19:13
@Haargand since the individual scripts ran in forks, they already had that loaded19:13
* perlDreamer goes to the gym19:17
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm working on Asset/Asset.t, for reference20:30
@Haargok, rizen was looking at it too20:30
+perlDreamerI've found one legit bug, just committed, and some more test maintenance is needed20:31
+perlDreamerbut it's not dying anymore20:31
+perlDreamersvn rev 777920:31
+perlDreameruh, something's wrong with the Config emitter20:41
+perlDreamerit's doing massive, ugly indentation20:41
@Haargupgrade JSON20:42
@Haargand JSON::XS20:42
+perlDreamerIs that in the gotchas file?20:42
@Haargno20:42
+perlDreamertestEnvironment.pl?20:42
@Haargi don't think so, but i don't remember what version that trouble was in20:43
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+perlDreamerand there was great joy in the land of Testing!21:23
dionakyea!21:23
dionakhaha21:23
@rizenpain and disdain21:24
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+perlDreamerwoe to those who have caused the pain and disdain, for the wrath of rizen will be opun thee21:25
@rizenwhat if rizen has created pain and disdain upon himself/21:25
@rizen?21:25
+perlDreamerHe will come with his macBook on Fire, and his winnowing fork (for each TeddyWedgers) in his hand21:25
+perlDreamerthen it's an infinite loop21:25
+perlDreamerbut I fixed it21:26
+perlDreamerso it's better21:26
+perlDreameroh, rizen: product import bug now works the old way, too.  I still need to backport to 7.5 and test the fix there, too, though21:29
+perlDreamerTiffany found two bugs, and both are fixed in 7.621:29
+perlDreamerand those bugs pointed out another bug, which I'll fix this week21:29
@rizensweet21:30
@rizenthough i walk through the valley of the shadow of perlDreamer, i fear no tests, for he is with me. his code and wit comfort me.21:38
@rizenI had no idea the Bible was so gay21:41
@rizenI don't understand why most bible thumpers are gay bashers.21:41
@rizenTake this passage for instance:21:41
@rizenEven though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.21:41
@rizenYour rod and staff comfort me? 21:41
@rizenCome on, could that be any more gay?21:41
+perlDreamerIt's a shepherd metaphor21:41
@rizenThat's more gay than Clay Aiken21:41
+perlDreamerbut I see what you're saying21:41
@rizeni had to change the last line to " his code and wit comfort me."21:42
@rizencuz i didn't want you to take it the wrong way21:42
@rizen=)21:43
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@perlmonkey2maybe a more modern translation would be something like '...your guidance and counseling, they comfort me.'21:44
@perlmonkey2Or your .44mag and baseball bat, they comfort me.21:44
@perlmonkey2I'm no philosopher. 21:45
@preactionyour malt liquor and chicken wings21:45
+perlDreameryour lawyers and your patent portfolio?21:45
@rizennow that's a god i can get behind21:45
@rizennot the lawyers21:46
@rizenthe chicken wings21:46
dionakbible thumpers are gay bashers b/c they are gay rizen...21:47
dionakvery simple21:47
@rizeni agree with you dionak21:47
+perlDreamerIt's getting close to perlDreamer's lunch time.  Ease up on the food talk.21:47
@rizenyou hate what you are but don't want to be21:47
dionakyep21:47
@rizenmarshmallows, apple pie, turkey sandwich on rye21:48
@rizenfrench fries, mashed potatoes, mac and cheese21:48
@rizenpizza, ice cream, beer21:48
@rizenhow you doing pd?21:49
@rizen=)21:49
+perlDreamerAll I saw was21:49
+perlDreamer$20 $20 ?????21:49
@rizenhehe21:49
+perlDreamertempting, no gravy, pass21:49
+perlDreamerokay!, $20, $2021:49
@rizenmashed potatoes and spicy gravy21:49
+perlDreamerthat's better21:49
@rizeni loves me some spicy gravy21:49
+perlDreamerWhere does one get spicy gravy from?21:49
@perlmonkey2Lots of pepper?21:50
@rizenmy mom makes it...don't know how she does it...but they also have it at KFC21:50
+perlDreamerCan't we just put it all into one TeddyWedger, anyway?21:50
@rizenindeed21:50
@rizenpd, i'm disappointed. we didn't have a teddy wedger while you were here this year21:50
+perlDreamerI know21:52
+perlDreamerI'll have to come back21:52
@rizenindeed...and wouldn't it be something if Colin Kuskie won the Colin Kuskie award?21:52
+perlDreamerFor a TeddyWedget, I'll come if I win or not21:54
+perlDreamerbut you need a better picture for next year21:54
@rizenyou need to give me one then21:55
+perlDreamerI'll work on it21:55
@rizeni think one of your head on a conan body would promote strength21:55
+perlDreameror massive fits of laughter21:56
@rizenyeah, but they would be massive fits of *strong* laughter21:56
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topsubanyone fill me in where is it i can tweak the  thread_cache settings?22:55
+perlDreamertopsub, are those WebGUI settings?22:56
topsubmysql settings22:57
topsubalter the number of cores in a server22:57
topsubit was in JT's talk but i can't recall nor found a post yet on webgui.org about it22:57
+perlDreamerdidn't get a copy of the slides?22:58
topsubno22:58
topsubare they still up?22:58
@preactionthey should be22:59
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topsub found them, they are in wre/etc/my.cnf23:04
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elnino_hi. looking at the survey in 7.5.24.  I thought it was totally revamped. Was I dreaming at the conference? Maybe I was seeing somethign from 7.6?23:07
@Haarg7.6 is getting the new survey23:09
elnino_ah.. how soon is that coming?23:09
+perlDreamerelnino, you're beating on a dead perlMonkey223:12
elnino_huh?23:13
@perlmonkey2ah.....if I can keep on track we should have something in the next few weeks.  Unless rizen wants 100% all frills and whistles, there could be something ready in svn by Friday.23:13
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@Haargit won't be in the first releases, but 7.6 will go stable in january iirc23:13
elnino_cool.I can wait.  thanks!23:14
elnino_hey tavisto, I haven't ignored you , even though it may seem like it.23:17
elnino_yikes. I thought books were $60 on the web, and were discounted to $50 at the conference. They're $75?23:20
+perlDreameryup23:20
elnino_doh.23:20
@tavistoHi elnino_23:24
elnino_hi...23:24
@tavistoI'm working on several right now but if you need help please feel free to ask me23:24
@tavistoif you want to submit bullet points for the "Search for a Solution" and "Results" sections, that's fine too23:25
elnino_nothing to ask, other than can I have a discount on books?  =)23:25
dionakquick question on urlHandlers. we're serving a calendar app under knowmad.com. can i just add a url handler like the one for extras and have the request pass through with all params included? any gotchas? 23:25
@tavistosure, we can give you a discount if you purchase more than 1023:25
elnino_no I was going to buy four.. 23:26
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@tavistofour different?23:30
elnino_yep.23:30
@Haargat some point i should look into the UNIVERSAL::isa warnings and report a bug23:30
@Haargbecause it is calling isa as a method23:31
@tavistowe don't have discounts for that unfortunately23:31
@Haargfor now i just killed the module locally so i don't have to look at them23:31
@tavistodid you download the new WebGUI Primer as well? That's in .PDF format and it's free23:31
elnino_that's fine.  Never hurts to ask. =)23:31
+perlDreamerHaarg, thank you for working on the tests!23:31
elnino_yep.23:31
@tavistoelnino_, you could always create something and sell it in the WebGUI Bazaar and then use the money to buy your books23:33
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elnino_I've uploaded some stuff, nothing worth buying.  My boss is covering the cost. I jsut personally hate spending money.  =)23:33
elnino_even if it's someone elses'23:33
@tavistowell, don't think of it as spending money then.23:34
@tavistoThink of it being an investment into WebGUI23:34
@tavisto;)23:34
+perlDreamerlike buying tax data :)23:34
@tavistoget outta here perlDreamer, you used car salesman23:34
@tavistostop trying to plug your wares! haha j/k23:35
+perlDreamerhey man, y'all take 30%.  I'm just looking out for you.23:35
elnino_=)23:35
@tavistoyeah, I guess you have a point. *Tavisto raises large "Buy Tax Data Here" sign and sets it up in the IRC channel*23:36
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