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| SynQ | hi there | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | the airport has a fine network connection | 00:26 |
| SynQ | no one | 00:51 |
| SynQ | I just paid 6 dollar to irc with you guys ;) | 00:51 |
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| SynQ | ok | 01:24 |
| SynQ | time to go | 01:24 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | wuc wuc wuc | 17:09 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | No labor day fun for you! | 17:43 |
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| * rizen warms branding iron | 17:56 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 18:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've thought that instead of having a large JS lib that looks for new HTML returned from an AJAX call and makes the appropriate JS calls, to having a data member returned form JS calls that is simply eval'd. Anyone have any thoughts on using JS eval? | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy! | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | The DIF is home | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | please tell the hotel bar they should stop stock piling Spotted Cow | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | How was the trip back? | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | fairly ok | 18:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | good good | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | just cramped | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just slept for about 4 hours or so | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I'm fasing into the eurotrash timezone already | 18:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | could be worse I suppose. | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 18:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Your graphing asset was a big hit at the wuc. | 18:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Very cool | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok cool | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | I thought it was okay | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not as good as the acme presentation last year | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, I didn't see that. | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you do things to JT's mugshot you score easily with the audience anyway | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | which I don't mind at all=) | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hah, yeah, even JT thought that was good. | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | Did the surveys tell that btw? | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | or is it your opinion? | 18:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I wouldn't be the one to ask about survey results, but from general PB talk after the event, your asset was a hit. | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | Ok cool | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | I liked colins webgui programming mistakes talk a lot | 18:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yes, very useful. | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | winning a beer was the cherry on the cake | 18:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Probably should be a seminar. | 18:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 18:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You just liked it cause you hauled in a huge score. | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | That, and I like interactive sessions | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think we need more of those next year somehow | 18:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Absolutely | 18:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It also makes it much easier on the presenter. | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure about that | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | for instance colin's talk must have cost him a lot of time to prepare | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you'll have to be able to get your audience participating | 18:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah, would probably only work in presentations where the presenter has a 'hook' to get the audience going. | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | That only works if you get the subject of the talk just right. | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | right | 18:49 |
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| doc777 | Hey everyone. I have a strange issue with httpproxy... integrating a help desk into site using httpproxy works great... until a page has <input type=file> Then the page turns blank and displays nothing ;) | 19:14 |
| doc777 | I do not see anything in any of the log files but something certainly happens. Does webgui block file attachments in httpproxy? | 19:15 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Why would testEnvironment say that Archive::Zip is not installed when it is installed (x64 though)? | 20:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you use setEnve first? | 20:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise i dunno | 20:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm not using the WRE. Can't seem to get WRE 8.3/4 to work with the Survey2 branch anymore. | 20:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | weird lib errors. Oh well, who wants to code when sys admining is so much more fun :) | 20:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe it's the wrong version? | 20:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | guess I better stop whining and go find out what's wrong. | 20:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | is there a problem with wre8.4 not having DBD::Mysql and not being able to install it? | 20:23 |
| @rizen | not that i'm aware of | 20:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That is certainly not a module that the WRE should be missing. But no matter how many times I blow away the wre dir, re-untar it and . setenv it is missing. And then it fails to make. | 20:26 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Has anyone had the 8.4 wre use up all available memory when starting mod_perl on x64 redhat? | 01:06 |
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| +cap10morgan | Has the EventsCalendar asset been removed? (as of 7.5.21) | 01:09 |
| @preaction | cap10morgan, the old one, yes | 01:16 |
| +cap10morgan | replaced by event management system? | 01:17 |
| +cap10morgan | or calendar? | 01:17 |
| @preaction | replaced by Calendar | 01:18 |
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| +cap10morgan | ok, thanks | 01:22 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7389 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: set a default parameter hashref if none is passed to the set method of Workflow::Instance | 04:44 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. Google Chrome looks very interesting - http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA35,M1 | 05:35 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7390 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: | 06:18 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Fix a bug in the delete method, execute is passed an array ref. | 06:18 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Update POD about constructors/instanciators. | 06:18 |
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| SynQ | good night to you all :) | 11:57 |
| BartJol | morning | 11:57 |
| SynQ | the webgui.org is a lot faster today then it was last week :) | 12:16 |
| SynQ | I'm really pleased with that | 12:16 |
| BartJol | probably there were too many users constantly logged in :) | 12:17 |
| BartJol | or do we host the site now? | 12:17 |
| SynQ | no we don't | 12:25 |
| SynQ | I think someone has tuned it :) | 12:25 |
| BartJol | ah, has been to a certain presentation :) | 12:26 |
| SynQ | hehe | 12:26 |
| SynQ | how is your jet lag? | 12:26 |
| BartJol | well, I overslept today for a bit, but now I feel fine | 12:27 |
| BartJol | and you, had a nice meeting yesterday? | 12:27 |
| SynQ | no meeting | 12:28 |
| SynQ | I called to cancel it | 12:28 |
| SynQ | I got up quite in time today | 12:28 |
| SynQ | now I have to go and provision for our baby | 12:28 |
| SynQ | I'll be back | 12:28 |
| SynQ | l8ter | 12:28 |
| BartJol | doie | 12:29 |
| BartJol | doei | 12:29 |
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| SDuensin_ | Greetings. | 16:20 |
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| snapcount | mad props to you guys on the JT for President bit | 16:29 |
| snapcount | that made me lol repeatedly | 16:29 |
| @khenn | it was pretty funny | 16:29 |
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| +snapcount | that news video had me going till the end | 16:29 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Is a graphic module required in <HEAD>? | 16:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | http://pastebin.com/d5ba13b0e Does that make sense to anyone? That is the error message I get right before modperl uses up all memory crashing the machine. I've replicated this on two redhat machines now using wre8.3?4 and <HEAD>. The complaint appears to be that Image::Magick is not installed but perl -MImage::Magick says it broken: http://pastebin.com/d4b9fb492 | 16:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So does this mean that Image::Magick is broken on RH/Fedora? | 16:51 |
| ckotil | im using image magick on RHEL5 | 16:53 |
| ckotil | ImageMagick-6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.1 | 16:53 |
| ckotil | ImageMagick-perl-6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.1 | 16:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: So not the WRE? | 16:53 |
| ckotil | nope. from source | 16:53 |
| knowmad | perlmonkey2: does the Magick.so file exist at that path? | 16:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | knowmad: I guess I should probably check :D | 16:54 |
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| perlmonkey21 | knowmad: Yes, that lib is there. Not sure what that tells me | 17:01 |
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| knowmad | perlmonkey2: it tells you the reason for the error message is not that the file was removed; have you tried doing a force re-install of PerlMagick? | 17:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | knowmad: yes, and it fails to build in the wre | 17:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Best as I can tell, this is the wrong version of the .so | 17:52 |
| xdanger | is there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ? | 17:52 |
| xdanger | I really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl | 17:53 |
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| xdanger | rizen: you just missed my question =) | 17:54 |
| xdanger | 17:52 < xdanger> is there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ? | 17:54 |
| xdanger | 17:53 < xdanger> I really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl | 17:54 |
| @rizen | errors don't have urls | 17:55 |
| xdanger | I have some page that generates a error (I think there is a old sql-macro somewhere) but I can't seem to find it | 17:56 |
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| xdanger | I meant that if the error is generated in request, the url of the request could be found easyly | 17:57 |
| @rizen | nope, there's no way to do that | 17:59 |
| @rizen | at least not any way that i'm aware of | 17:59 |
| @rizen | is it a macro that you know the name of ? | 17:59 |
| @rizen | is it ^SQL(); | 17:59 |
| @rizen | ? | 17:59 |
| @rizen | if so, that's easily found | 17:59 |
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| xdanger | could be... but I have some errors sometimes that I wish could be quickly found with the url in the error message (like in apache log) | 18:01 |
| xdanger | but if the error is only warn, it doesn't print in to the modperl.error.log | 18:01 |
| xdanger | rizen: maybe I could appedn $self->session->url->getRequestedUrl(); to error messages in Session/ErrorHandles.pm? | 18:03 |
| @rizen | you could for all but fatals | 18:04 |
| @rizen | cuz there's not necessarily a session on fatals | 18:05 |
| xdanger | yep, I only need warn at the moment | 18:07 |
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| xdanger | is there a problem using: $message .= " url:".$self->session->env->get("REQUEST_URI"); ? | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgreas1 | howdy! | 18:50 |
| @preaction | howdy yourself! | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | is the weather in Madison still as nice? | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | It's generic Dutch weather over here | 18:52 |
| @preaction | it was pretty nice the other day, seems nice outside today too | 18:52 |
| @preaction | hard to tell in my living room, sky always looks hazy from my living room (i suspect the windows haven't been cleaned in a few decades) | 18:53 |
| @rizen | still sunny and nice in madtown today | 18:53 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | hmm | 18:54 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | maybe I should return then... | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen - I like the new Bizarre Bizarre. | 18:54 |
| @rizen | thanks SD | 18:54 |
| @rizen | i hope the rest of the community finds it useful as well | 18:54 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | you mean the Bizarre as in the Bazaar with Kinky Items on it? | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | MrHairgreas1 - WHERE'S THAT!? Damn! I missed it! | 18:55 |
| SDuensin | rizen - I jumped right on and updated my useless macro entry. :-) | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | I think it was the special after hours session at the wuc | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | =) | 18:55 |
| SDuensin | Well, hell, you didn't tell me about THAT session! | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | Why would you wanna know? | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | You didn't attend anyway | 18:55 |
| SDuensin | May have changed my mind. :-P | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | hehe | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | well | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | all I can say | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | It involved spotted cows | 18:56 |
| SDuensin | Uh. Maybe we have different ideas of Bizarre. | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | maybe not | 18:57 |
| @preaction | were there also fat squirrels? | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | it more 'nice' than bizarre | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | i didn't have any | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | only cows for me | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | an a few butts | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | harharhar | 18:58 |
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| estiven | Hi | 19:03 |
| @preaction | hi | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | high! | 19:03 |
| estiven | I have a problem with my users..... | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | who hasn't =) | 19:04 |
| estiven | and i need delete all... exept the admin user... | 19:04 |
| estiven | how i can do that..? | 19:04 |
| @preaction | from the front-end you can delete one at a time | 19:04 |
| @preaction | you could use the UserList asset to make delete links for a lot of users | 19:05 |
| estiven | yes | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | the quick way is by removing all entries from the users and authentication tables | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | as well as | 19:05 |
| @preaction | you could write a utility script that can delete all the users you don't want | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | the profileData tables | 19:05 |
| @preaction | groupings, userProfileData, userLoginLog | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | and you'll have to take into account grouping as well\ | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | indeed | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | a utility script would be best | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | 1) do a query on the users table to fetch all id's | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | 2) do a foreach on those id's | 19:06 |
| estiven | yes | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | for every id matching a 22 character guid do | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | WebGUI::User->new($session, $id)->delete; | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | that would do your stuff | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | please check out the pod of WG::User | 19:07 |
| @preaction | yeah, make sure you don't get uid "1" and uid "3" | 19:07 |
| @preaction | but ->delete() wouldn't allow you to delete those anyway | 19:08 |
| estiven | jmm | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | jmm? | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | oh | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | hmm =) | 19:09 |
| estiven | jeje yes | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | i see | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | just use _utility.skeleton (or something like that) in sbin to start with. | 19:09 |
| estiven | Ok, I try to do it | 19:10 |
| estiven | Thanks | 19:10 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | sure | 19:10 |
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| juan | sometimes my webgui.log is show me the next error: | 20:25 |
| juan | http://www.webgui.pastebin.com/m7dcde5c1 | 20:25 |
| juan | i have tried to fix it but i don't know what is it about? | 20:25 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7391 /experimental/Bazaar/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Sku/BazaarItem.pm Wobject/Bazaar.pm): | 20:28 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: moved keywords | 20:28 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: fixed problem with comments deleting | 20:28 |
| juan | http://www.webgui.pastebin.com/m18a8846d | 20:31 |
| juan | those are 2 errors | 20:31 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | juan: you probably have too many inodes in your cache folder | 20:32 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | that's what the Too many links thing means if i'm correct | 20:32 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | try to purge your cache for that site | 20:33 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | that shoudl help | 20:33 |
| juan | how can I do that? | 20:34 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | In your admin console there's an option caching | 20:35 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | or just rm it by hand | 20:35 |
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| +MrHairgreas1 | rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache/www.colegiosvirtuales.com.conf/ | 20:35 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | i'd try the admin console first | 20:36 |
| juan | yes | 20:36 |
| jlittlewood | hi folks. has anyone tried to tackle the bug with export tab delimited not working in 7.5.21 | 20:36 |
| jlittlewood | ? | 20:36 |
| juan | how can avoid it? | 20:37 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | juan: you can't really | 20:37 |
| @Haarg | yes jlittlewood, i have a patch for it | 20:37 |
| jlittlewood | cash money | 20:37 |
| juan | ok | 20:37 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | it's a problem with how FileCache writes it's stuff to disk | 20:37 |
| jlittlewood | haarg: can you send it my way or is it up somewhere? | 20:37 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | I think there's an workflow in there somewhere that cleans it out for you | 20:38 |
| @Haarg | i don't have it out anywhere yet, just a sec | 20:38 |
| juan | ok | 20:39 |
| juan | thanks | 20:39 |
| @Haarg | jlittlewood, https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm?rev1=7391;rev2=7392;mime=text/plain | 20:41 |
| jlittlewood | haarg: awesome. thanks. any tips/instructions on applying this patch? (I've never done that before -- might end up being totally out of my league, but you never know.) | 20:43 |
| @Haarg | in this case it's simple enough you may want to just do it by hand | 20:44 |
| @Haarg | if you downloaded that, then ran "patch /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm < patchfile", it should work | 20:46 |
| jlittlewood | haarg: great. Do you know if this will go into 7.5.22? | 20:51 |
| @Haarg | it will | 20:52 |
| jlittlewood | haarg: thanks again. | 20:53 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7392 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work | 21:07 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7393 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl): fixed: Some templates ship with isPublic=1 | 21:07 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone see a bug reported on Workflow being broken? | 22:10 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, no | 22:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | On two machines now using [HEAD] I've had the same error. One machine using source the other the WRE. | 22:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | strange | 22:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no idea if it is me or my setup though. | 22:12 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | This ring a bell with anyone? 2008/09/02 14:30:53 - ERROR - www.survey.com.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance '6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 334 | 22:31 |
| xdanger | webgui's admin interface on google chrome is blazingly fast =) | 22:33 |
| topsub | xdanger do you have it for ubuntu or windows? | 22:35 |
| topsub | Seems its only for windows? | 22:35 |
| xdanger | windows for the moment | 22:35 |
| xdanger | but if you like you can build it from the source: http://code.google.com/chromium/ | 22:36 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, yes. a tag got deleted before spectre could get to it. try restarting spectre? | 22:37 |
| xdanger | topsub: quite simple how-to: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux | 22:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: same error even after restarting | 22:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll blow away this DB instance and see if that resolves things | 22:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: I just blew away the DB, recreated, restarted everything, and am getting the same error. | 22:54 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, same instance ID? 6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g | 22:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: well no, it looks like none of the workflows are being ran | 22:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | new ids on most of them | 22:55 |
| @preaction | most or all? | 22:55 |
| @preaction | you might want to check in the WorkflowInstance table. there's a "parameters" column that, for those instances, will have a tagId for a Version Tag. | 22:56 |
| @preaction | first, check to see if the tagId exists in assetVersionTag and/or assetData | 22:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay | 22:56 |
| @preaction | next, check to see if that tagId and/or the instanceId exists in create.sql | 22:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | k | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | there shouldn't be any instances and only one tag in create.sql | 22:57 |
| @Haarg | if that ever isn't the case then i screwed something up | 22:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: the parameters column is an empty json struct | 22:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | empty hash | 22:59 |
| @preaction | then you can safely delete those instances from the WorkflowInstance table and restart spectre | 22:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay | 22:59 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7394 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work | 22:59 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7395 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.5.22.pl): fixed: Some templates ship with isPublic=1 | 22:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Okay, fresh db creation, just ran upgrade on it. Shoudl be completely clean. I'm going to edit an article and save it. And 100-1 it throws the workflow error. | 23:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The worldflow instance is paramaters:{} | 23:03 |
| juan | i have many posts in a CS | 23:14 |
| juan | i want to send the link to a friend | 23:14 |
| juan | is there a macro to detect the current url for a thread? | 23:15 |
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| miloidrr | Hi I have a question about cs | 23:32 |
| miloidrr | I have a data form in a pl, in a cs templete im calling the data form with a ^AssetProxy macro | 23:33 |
| miloidrr | This form send the post to the user friends | 23:34 |
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| miloidrr | Can i put templates variables in the value of filds to catch the URL? | 23:34 |
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| elnino | Hi All! Hope you all had a create Labor Day weekend. Great WUC!!! Out of curiousity, are there downloads from the workshop? (tuesday/wednesday) | 00:25 |
| knowmad | Hi elnino. Yeah, that was a great WUC this year. | 00:34 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | it sure was | 00:35 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | are there any photos yet? | 00:36 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | they seemed to have disappered from the wuc photo section | 00:36 |
| elnino | for those who missed it, you missed out. It was a bummer I missed tuesday/wednesday | 00:36 |
| elnino | knowmad: It was nice meeting you and DK. And maybe I met MrHairgreas1, but I don't know =) | 00:37 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | me neither | 00:37 |
| elnino | did you teach any of the presentations? | 00:38 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | I'm one of the dutch guys | 00:38 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | yeah | 00:38 |
| elnino | well there's 14 of you.. wasn't there? | 00:38 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | the presentation on the Graphing Plugins | 00:38 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | the pretty one | 00:38 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | =) | 00:38 |
| elnino | Yes, I was in your class, that was pretty funny - very well done! | 00:38 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | Then we've probably met =) | 00:39 |
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| elnino | probably. | 00:39 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | hehe, who are you if I may ask? | 00:39 |
| elnino | I was the one that showed up with a baby in hand at the end of the day friday - if you were a around. I dont' know if I actually intro'd myself. | 00:41 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | I was there but it doesn't ring bells | 00:41 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | oh well, the wuc was cool | 00:42 |
| @bopbop | MrHairgreas1: the wuc photos for this year are out there: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/photos | 00:45 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | that's where I looked, but there are no photos at all anymore over there | 00:45 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | not even those of previous wucs | 00:46 |
| elnino | confimed, just white space. | 00:46 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | are they perhaps moved to a gallery somewhere? | 00:47 |
| elnino | I'm using ff 2.0 and IE - so it doesn't appear to be a broswer issue. | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | looks like a permissions problem | 00:50 |
| @preaction | it might be on purpose, JT was saying there were some performance issues with the thumbnails and slideshow pages | 00:51 |
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| @Haarg | should be viewable now | 00:57 |
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| SynQ2 | good day to you | 01:08 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | haarg: it works | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgreas1 | a tad slow indeed | 01:22 |
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| SynQ2 | ok | 02:06 |
| SynQ2 | time for bed | 02:06 |
| SynQ2 | nite | 02:06 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7396 /branch/doug-experimental/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: finished DataTable work. just need to add WebGUI.i18n JS interface | 05:18 |
| topsub | where can i see mysql errors? | 05:19 |
| topsub | i can't get mysql to start for some reason and not sure where to go from here | 05:19 |
| topsub | is there a way i can kiill mysql or something? | 05:19 |
| @rizen | in /data/wre/var/mysqldata/HOSTNAME.err | 05:20 |
| topsub | when i try to start mysql i get "kill: 409: No such process" what is it doing? besides not starting | 05:24 |
| @rizen | it's spitting out an error message that reads: "kill: 409: No such process" | 05:25 |
| topsub | does this mean mysql is already running but wre doesn't know that? | 05:26 |
| @rizen | no it just means "kill: 409: No such process" | 05:26 |
| @rizen | i have no idea what that means though | 05:26 |
| @rizen | other than that mysql isn't starting =) | 05:26 |
| topsub | so its trying to kill 409 but there is no process | 05:26 |
| @rizen | 2 things you should check | 05:26 |
| topsub | hmm when i do "top"i see a "mysqld" and mysqld_safe" | 05:27 |
| @rizen | 1) ps aux|grep mysql | 05:27 |
| @rizen | see what mysql processes are running and kill them | 05:27 |
| @rizen | 2) look in /data/wre/var/mysqldata and see if there is a .pid file | 05:27 |
| @rizen | if there is, deleted it | 05:27 |
| topsub | when i run the ps aux |grep mysql i get a list.. so i do a sudo kill #### then the pid number | 05:35 |
| topsub | they seem to come right back | 05:35 |
| @rizen | kill -9 #### | 05:35 |
| @rizen | the -9 means kill unconditionally | 05:35 |
| @rizen | kill ruthlessly | 05:35 |
| @rizen | murder that process where it stands | 05:36 |
| topsub | lol | 05:36 |
| @rizen | so i'm watching the republican national convention right now | 05:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | reiser style | 05:37 |
| @rizen | fred thompson gave an inspired speech | 05:37 |
| khenn_ | I tivo'd it cause I got bored of watching veterans | 05:38 |
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| @rizen | but i'm noticing one huge difference compared to last weeks democratic convention | 05:38 |
| @rizen | hardly anybody looks happy | 05:38 |
| @rizen | very few people are smiling | 05:38 |
| @rizen | laughing | 05:38 |
| @khenn | I'm noticed that there are not as many people | 05:38 |
| @rizen | most just look mad | 05:38 |
| @khenn | but maybe cause it was early | 05:39 |
| @rizen | yeah, the upper decks are mostly empty | 05:39 |
| @khenn | so thompson was worth hearing? | 05:39 |
| @rizen | his speechifying was good | 05:40 |
| topsub | alright so i killed all mysql stuff and removed all the pids | 05:40 |
| @rizen | but his message was mostly smoke blowing | 05:40 |
| @rizen | but he was WAY WAY WAY better than laura bush | 05:41 |
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| topsub | thanks rizen finally got mysql starting again | 05:52 |
| topsub | don't know what happen | 05:52 |
| @rizen | topsub, try not sucking so much | 05:53 |
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| @rizen | that usually helps me | 05:53 |
| topsub | lol hey hey... make software that works! | 05:54 |
| topsub | auto fixing software would be pimp | 05:54 |
| @rizen | what are you complaining about | 05:55 |
| @rizen | it wasn't my software that wasn't working | 05:55 |
| @rizen | it was mysql | 05:55 |
| topsub | lol | 05:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. tinymce editor in my version of webgui doesn't seem to like the new Google Chrome browser - doesn't open at all | 06:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | Seems to work on the current beta tho | 06:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | maybe it's time for me to look at upgrading our 7.0.8 webgui | 06:23 |
| @rizen | 7.0 is pretty old by now | 06:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, we just haven't needed to change | 06:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | everything works so well as is | 06:26 |
| @rizen | understood | 06:27 |
| @rizen | webgui 7.0 is pretty good | 06:27 |
| @rizen | so many shiny new features in 7.5 though | 06:27 |
| @rizen | =) | 06:27 |
| @preaction | like the TinyMCE 3.0 series! | 06:28 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7397 /branch/doug-experimental/ (6 files in 6 dirs): added WebGUI.i18n JS. started converting DataTable to using i18n | 08:15 |
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| wgGuest27 | Hello, any news about when WRE 0.8.5 will be released? | 12:27 |
| BartJol | haven't heard any plans for it | 12:29 |
| wgGuest27 | after WUC there was going to be a 0.8.5. version.. to fix 0.8.4 | 12:30 |
| BartJol | ooh, then it might be soon | 12:33 |
| BartJol | I'm not sure, I've heard a planning for WebGUI itself | 12:33 |
| BartJol | but, since those bugs were quite serious I do suspect that it might be soon | 12:34 |
| wgGuest27 | ok | 12:35 |
| wgGuest27 | I'll check the site end of the week and we'll see ;-) | 12:36 |
| BartJol | that might be best | 12:36 |
| wgGuest27 | Something else: | 12:36 |
| wgGuest27 | Is it convenient as welll for small sites to split mod_prox/perl and/or the db server? When it comes to performance? What would a bottleneck be? | 12:36 |
| wgGuest27 | In other words, which part requires best hardware for best performance? | 12:37 |
| BartJol | well, right now we have some sites which have all on the same server | 12:37 |
| wgGuest27 | Guess mod_perl is on the third place?!? | 12:37 |
| BartJol | I'd think mod_proxy actually | 12:38 |
| BartJol | that passes most stuff through to mod_perl as far as I know | 12:38 |
| wgGuest27 | ok.. | 12:38 |
| BartJol | bu I guess that you can better combine both mod_perl and mod_proxy on 1 server | 12:39 |
| BartJol | if you have two | 12:39 |
| BartJol | and then the db on another | 12:39 |
| wgGuest27 | ok.. | 12:40 |
| BartJol | but that is the way I interpreted stuff | 12:40 |
| wgGuest27 | You have a no. of sites on one server you say, since you do not require splitting, whats the size/traffic of a big site? | 12:43 |
| wgGuest27 | Try to determine if is interessting at all to think about splitting WRE/DB... | 12:44 |
| BartJol | mmm, I'm not that specialised in those numbers, mostly doing WebGUI support, but try to work myself up to ubernerd :) | 12:44 |
| BartJol | sorry | 12:45 |
| BartJol | were you at the wuc? | 12:46 |
| wgGuest27 | no | 12:46 |
| BartJol | alas | 12:46 |
| BartJol | it was fun | 12:46 |
| wgGuest27 | I mean sites like 1Gb, 5Gb, 10Gb or 100Gb traffic...?!? | 12:46 |
| wgGuest27 | ok.. | 12:47 |
| BartJol | I have to look something up for that brb | 12:47 |
| wgGuest27 | when a WUC is in Europe I'll consider there to go... | 12:47 |
| wgGuest27 | ok tnx | 12:47 |
| BartJol | I see that for a fairly big site we have | 12:48 |
| BartJol | 2GB ram | 12:48 |
| BartJol | 2 Mbit traffic | 12:48 |
| wgGuest27 | dedicated 2Mbit line? | 12:49 |
| wgGuest27 | but monthly traffic for that site? | 12:49 |
| wgGuest27 | +/- | 12:50 |
| BartJol | oh, it actually two times that | 12:50 |
| BartJol | eeeh, starnge it isn't defined... | 12:50 |
| BartJol | for a small site we have 10 GB | 12:51 |
| BartJol | well the machines are virtual, I'm not sure whether the servers have a reservation for the traffic | 12:52 |
| BartJol | I think it's load balanced with the other VM's | 12:52 |
| BartJol | but, not sure about that | 12:53 |
| wgGuest27 | OK tnx | 12:54 |
| BartJol | np | 12:54 |
| SynQ | ah | 12:54 |
| SynQ | sales :) | 12:54 |
| wgGuest27 | I'll first buy one server then we'll see... | 12:55 |
| wgGuest27 | ;-) | 12:55 |
| BartJol | aaaah it's him | 12:55 |
| BartJol | well, I leave it to you SynQ | 12:55 |
| SynQ | wgGuest27: you want to rent some server space from us? | 12:55 |
| wgGuest27 | Well the plan is to have our own server here... | 12:57 |
| wgGuest27 | we'll get fiber soon | 12:57 |
| SynQ | where is here? | 12:57 |
| wgGuest27 | Sweden | 12:57 |
| SynQ | Ah nice | 12:57 |
| SynQ | would you like to buy some assistance from us installing and configuring your setup? | 12:57 |
| SynQ | for example I think you would most definately benifit from a separate database and modperl server | 12:58 |
| SynQ | but you could also virtualize that on one box | 12:58 |
| SynQ | in two virtual instances | 12:58 |
| wgGuest27 | But isn't the splitting benefit away then...?!? separate hardware.. | 12:59 |
| SynQ | no it isn't | 12:59 |
| SynQ | since splitting it makes it much more easy to manage | 13:00 |
| wgGuest27 | So the DB server is requiring most.. besides mod_perl&proxy? | 13:00 |
| SynQ | yes and no | 13:00 |
| SynQ | wgGuest27: I have to go, lunch is calling | 13:00 |
| wgGuest27 | ok | 13:01 |
| wgGuest27 | me too | 13:01 |
| wgGuest27 | ;-) | 13:01 |
| SynQ | what is your name? | 13:01 |
| wgGuest27 | back at 1300 | 13:01 |
| SynQ | I have got work to do after 13:00 | 13:01 |
| wgGuest27 | My wg-name is Jmack.. | 13:02 |
| SynQ | ah ok | 13:02 |
| SynQ | mine is koen | 13:02 |
| SynQ | add me as a friend on webgui.org | 13:02 |
| SynQ | and we can e-mail about it | 13:02 |
| wgGuest27 | Ok, I'll check out how that works...! | 13:03 |
| wgGuest27 | cu | 13:03 |
| SynQ | CU | 13:03 |
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| patspam | SynQ: when are you going to get some servers here in Australia, I'd love to outsource my hosting ;) | 14:06 |
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| patspam | I'm seeing 'ap_get_server_banner() not available' errors from apache with wre 0.8.4. is that part of known bugs to be fixed in 0.8.5? | 14:11 |
| BartJol | dunno | 14:16 |
| patspam | the full error is: ap_get_server_banner() not available until httpd/2.2.4 falling back to ap_get_server_version() at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux/XSLoader.pm line 94. | 14:17 |
| BartJol | well if there isn't a bu report on that, you should make one | 14:23 |
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| BartJol | how was your trip? | 14:23 |
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| patspam | i lied, it was only 14.5hrs from LAX to sydney | 14:32 |
| patspam | but it was still less than fun | 14:32 |
| BartJol | well 7.5 hours was enough for me too | 14:32 |
| SynQ2 | bart | 14:56 |
| SynQ2 | I am looking into a very strange thing | 14:56 |
| SynQ2 | in the requesttracker | 14:57 |
| SynQ2 | a karma rank is displayed | 14:57 |
| SynQ2 | but it is displayed as a float with 6 numbers after the . | 14:57 |
| SynQ2 | I want to display only the integer part of that float | 14:57 |
| SynQ2 | but only in displaying the amount of karma | 14:58 |
| SynQ2 | how do I find out where the karma rank is being constructed in the code? | 14:58 |
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| BartJol | a wait, let me read | 15:04 |
| BartJol | you mean in the webgui.org? | 15:04 |
| BartJol | ah, wait | 15:05 |
| BartJol | what site? | 15:05 |
| BartJol | I think it is a template var in the CS | 15:07 |
| BartJol | it's tmpl_var karmaRank | 15:10 |
| BartJol | how surprising | 15:10 |
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| SynQ2 | yes I know | 15:15 |
| SynQ2 | but it displays the karma like this: 0.000000 | 15:15 |
| SynQ2 | instead of just 0 | 15:15 |
| BartJol | it's in the db in the thread | 15:15 |
| SynQ2 | there is an RFE for it | 15:16 |
| SynQ2 | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/round-karma-rank | 15:16 |
| BartJol | I see | 15:17 |
| BartJol | in the db you can set the karmaRank Type to a float 11,0 | 15:18 |
| SynQ2 | the 6 trailing zero's do not make it much clearer | 15:18 |
| SynQ2 | what table? | 15:18 |
| BartJol | instead of 11,6 | 15:18 |
| BartJol | Thread | 15:19 |
| BartJol | sorry for giving you all info you already know, but, I also have to analyse the problem | 15:20 |
| BartJol | :) | 15:20 |
| BartJol | let meknow whether it works | 15:21 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 15:21 |
| SynQ2 | but that is not what I want | 15:22 |
| SynQ2 | I only want to display it as an int | 15:22 |
| SynQ2 | but still want to keep it as a float in the database | 15:22 |
| SynQ2 | so I want the value in the template to be formatted as an 11,0 or 11.6 | 15:22 |
| SynQ2 | 11,6 even | 15:23 |
| SynQ2 | I have added a comment to the RFE | 15:26 |
| BartJol | ok, I will look into the thread code | 15:26 |
| SynQ2 | now how is a template processed? | 15:26 |
| SynQ2 | perhaps the webgui developers book says something about that | 15:26 |
| BartJol | please read your docs: | 15:32 |
| BartJol | MySQL allows a non-standard syntax: FLOAT(M,D) or REAL(M,D) or DOUBLE PRECISION(M,D). Here, "(M,D)" means than values can be stored with up to M digits in total, of which D digits may be after the decimal point. For example, a column defined as FLOAT(7,4) will look like -999.9999 when displayed. MySQL performs rounding when storing values, so if you insert 9 | 15:32 |
| BartJol | oh sorry | 15:32 |
| BartJol | oops | 15:32 |
| BartJol | je suis stupid | 15:32 |
| BartJol | mmm | 15:32 |
| BartJol | but it might not matter anyway, if the karmaRank is calculated (it's only a division) everytime from the total amount of karma, the storing with more digits is irrelevant | 15:35 |
| BartJol | I understand that it differs, if you mean to show them on differnt places with different amount of digits | 15:37 |
| BartJol | so it might still be preferable to be able to include it in a tmp_var | 15:38 |
| SynQ2 | but how do I change the way it is displayed in the template? | 15:42 |
| SynQ2 | what code do I have to edit to make available a karmaRankInteger for example? | 15:42 |
| BartJol | if you want that (for a custom site), I think at the moment it is the easiest to write a macro that gets the karmaScale and karma, divide thse and give it as the output you want | 15:42 |
| SynQ2 | I want it done generically | 15:42 |
| BartJol | I'm looking... might take a minute | 15:45 |
| SynQ2 | k | 15:45 |
| @khenn | just make a macro that rounds the number ... | 15:47 |
| @khenn | probably 1 liner | 15:47 |
| @khenn | you could also do it with JavaScript if you were so inclined | 15:48 |
| @khenn | var karmaRank = document.getElementById("karmaRank").value + 0; | 15:49 |
| BartJol | khenn, he just tries to push me to learn more :) | 15:49 |
| @khenn | ah | 15:49 |
| BartJol | mmm I would expect it in sub view in Thread.pm | 16:03 |
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| BartJol | but I don't see it | 16:27 |
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| BartJol | SynQ2 I did found out that the Rank is indeed reevaluted each time the karma gets updates | 16:36 |
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| BartJol | and will be $karma/$karmaScale | 16:36 |
| BartJol | the new karma that is | 16:36 |
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| BartJol | joh, SynQ2, lost interest? | 16:52 |
| @khenn | anyone know why the SQL module is manually building references in buildArrayRefOfHashRefs, etc instead of using the built in DBI modules ($dbh->selectall_arrayref, etc)? | 16:59 |
| @rizen | probably because whoever wrote it didn't look at that | 17:01 |
| @khenn | do you have an objection to me "fixing" it? | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | huh | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | no I didn't lose interest | 17:02 |
| @khenn | I'm guessing the DBI modules are faster | 17:02 |
| @khenn | but I should probably benchmark it to be safe | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | I allready saw that indeed $karma/$karmaScale | 17:02 |
| @rizen | provided that it produces the exact same data structure, then no i don't | 17:02 |
| BartJol | ok, then I will continue | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | but that is not what I want to know | 17:02 |
| BartJol | I knpow | 17:02 |
| @khenn | yeah it does | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | I want to know how a template variable can be created | 17:02 |
| @khenn | it's actually really powerful | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | so that a separate template variable can be created that is called karmaRankInteger | 17:03 |
| @khenn | so I'd like to add another module that allows you to specify DBI attributes as well | 17:03 |
| @preaction | the selectall_* methods are a recent (last 5 years) addition to DBI | 17:03 |
| @preaction | mainly because everyone was doing WebGUI::SQL around its clunky prepare, execute, fetch* crap | 17:03 |
| @khenn | so are the build**RefOf**Refs modules | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | rizen: we are getting there in converting .avi to .flv and .mov | 17:04 |
| @khenn | I want to benchmark them | 17:04 |
| @khenn | before I do anything | 17:04 |
| @khenn | can also do some advanced error handling with those | 17:04 |
| @khenn | I'll get back to you on results | 17:04 |
| BartJol | SynQ2 I understand, well I know how to create a template var, but to do it genericly from the float might be some more difficult | 17:06 |
| @rizen | SynQ2: huh? | 17:06 |
| SynQ2 | bart: I would say that how a template var is created would be written somewhere in the developer book | 17:06 |
| SynQ2 | and I don't have that book here | 17:06 |
| BartJol | well, it's not in the index | 17:06 |
| SynQ2 | I wouldn't have guessed it was in the index | 17:07 |
| SynQ2 | but surely you must know how the template system works before you can submit code to WebGUI | 17:07 |
| SynQ2 | since it is a best practice to template everything | 17:07 |
| BartJol | well, I'm working on it... | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 17:09 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:33 |
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| @khenn | good morning! | 18:07 |
| BartJol | morning? it's almost spotted cow time | 18:08 |
| @khenn | I don't respect timezones of third world countries! =) | 18:09 |
| BartJol | oh, so you'll drink along with us | 18:09 |
| @khenn | haha | 18:09 |
| BartJol | it was toooo easy | 18:10 |
| SynQ2 | it has been proven that the us is a third world country | 18:10 |
| SynQ2 | if you go there you are not allowed to give blood for a few months | 18:11 |
| SynQ2 | ask joeri | 18:11 |
| @khenn | months only? | 18:11 |
| @khenn | if you travel outside the US you can't give blood for a year! | 18:11 |
| SynQ2 | what if you go back to the US? | 18:11 |
| SynQ2 | can you give blood then? | 18:11 |
| BartJol | but my leg begins to have a normal color again | 18:11 |
| SynQ2 | bart had spotted leg | 18:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | too much spotted cow will do that. | 18:12 |
| @khenn | that's a side affect of spotted coww | 18:12 |
| BartJol | aaah | 18:12 |
| BartJol | so last year I haven't drunk enough | 18:12 |
| @khenn | and next year you'll drink more so you go home with spots all over! | 18:13 |
| BartJol | more? | 18:13 |
| BartJol | rather not | 18:13 |
| SynQ2 | I second that | 18:13 |
| BartJol | I'm getting the idea that I am figuring the karmaRank out btw | 18:14 |
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| @khenn | anyone try google chrome yet? | 18:16 |
| @khenn | It's not available for the mac | 18:17 |
| @khenn | but I installed it on windows | 18:17 |
| BartJol | I have it installed | 18:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: is all the hype correct? | 18:17 |
| @khenn | I can't decide if I like it or not | 18:17 |
| BartJol | but I am still a bit base-stuck to ff | 18:17 |
| @khenn | I'll use it once it comes out for Mac | 18:18 |
| @khenn | and see if I like it better | 18:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | They'll need to have firebug, firegestures, and web dev plugins for chrome before I'd consider it. | 18:18 |
| BartJol | well, I'm not sure what "all the hype" is | 18:18 |
| BartJol | yeah, some more plug-ins are usefull | 18:18 |
| BartJol | it does look clean and simple though | 18:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: like firefox did when it first came out? :P | 18:18 |
| BartJol | :) something like that | 18:19 |
| BartJol | kan make a screenshot | 18:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'd like to see it. But none of that Dutch spotted cow porn in the shot. | 18:19 |
| BartJol | perlmonkey2: Hairgrease here, what ar firegestures | 18:26 |
| BartJol | ? | 18:26 |
| @preaction | probably mouse gestures for firefox | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: yes, what preaction said | 18:26 |
| BartJol | Don't call me Bart | 18:26 |
| @preaction | move the mouse a certain way, and an action gets performed | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right click, draw a pattern and firefox does something (open a tab, switch tabs, whatever) | 18:26 |
| BartJol | It's me MrHairgrease | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease doesn't autotab complete :p | 18:27 |
| BartJol | It does on my box | 18:27 |
| BartJol | which MrHairgrease | 18:27 |
| BartJol | /usr/bin/MrHairgrease | 18:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I fear to know what that does | 18:28 |
| BartJol | that's prolly wise =) | 18:28 |
| @preaction | attempts to corner the market on hair-care products | 18:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 18:28 |
| BartJol | but the chrome screenshot is now on www.bartjol.nl, just look at the capture filepile | 18:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I see a Capture link, but it's of some goofy dork | 18:31 |
| BartJol | but rendering is quite fast actually | 18:31 |
| BartJol | oh, sorry | 18:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah, the BMP loaded very fast | 18:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | must have a fast pipe | 18:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or is that the standard upstream on a home connection in the Nehterlands? | 18:32 |
| BartJol | try the some link again, this picture better?\ | 18:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | In honor of Senator Ted Stevens, I think we should refer to 'pipe' as 'tubes', at least until he is safely locked away in federal prison :D | 18:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | did you commit, because I get the same image? | 18:34 |
| BartJol | versioning is off | 18:34 |
| BartJol | cache is empty now | 18:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You are referring to the Capture_09032008 link below the front page image? | 18:35 |
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| BartJol | yeah | 18:36 |
| BartJol | your browser cache? | 18:36 |
| BartJol | works for me | 18:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, I see it now | 18:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | :D | 18:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Does look very sharp | 18:36 |
| BartJol | from the dutch version of bigboobs.com | 18:36 |
| BartJol | wanna have the link? | 18:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 18:37 |
| BartJol | now I deleted it | 18:37 |
| BartJol | there is no porn allowed on the procolix machines | 18:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You must work for a slave driver | 18:39 |
| BartJol | well, I get payed, that's an essential difference | 18:40 |
| BartJol | let's not talk about the rest of the circumstances | 18:40 |
| BartJol | and don't mention the egg | 18:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If an egg is ever involved it is always best not to duscuss it. | 18:41 |
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| BartJol | well, I'm supposed to go and drink beer now | 18:51 |
| SynQ2 | tsk | 18:52 |
| SynQ2 | then go | 18:52 |
| BartJol | but SynQ2, I'm a bit further in understanding, allthough that is not full yet, so you'll have to wait some longer | 18:52 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 18:52 |
| SynQ2 | good | 18:52 |
| BartJol | almost did a :wq on collaboration.pm | 18:53 |
| BartJol | don't think I changed stuff, but those automitisms can't be good | 18:53 |
| BartJol | so maybe till tonight | 18:54 |
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| elnino | hi! are there any downloads frm the user workshops from the wuc available? | 19:22 |
| snapcount | the presentation slides were up last week | 19:23 |
| snapcount | not sure if they are still there | 19:23 |
| elnino | I saw the wuc/files - but they were all the thursday/friday conference ones.. Where there any from tuesday/wednesday? | 19:23 |
| @rizen | no | 19:24 |
| elnino | ok.. thanks | 19:24 |
| @rizen | there was almost 2 gigabytes of files for that | 19:24 |
| @rizen | so we didn't put it up | 19:24 |
| elnino | oh. would it be possible to request them and have them emailed? | 19:24 |
| elnino | my users learned about and want to do banners on webgui - an area I'm totally unfamilier with. do I just give them ad manager permissions? | 19:25 |
| @rizen | what privileges you give them is up to you | 19:27 |
| @rizen | but that will give them access to the ad manager | 19:27 |
| @rizen | then they still have to have the rights to edit whatever theyw ant to put the ads on | 19:27 |
| elnino | sure. that's what I was looking for. I'm also assuming that advertising is for OTHER people to advertise on OUR site. They seem to want to put a banner on our own site, but to me that's the same as posting an image. So either they misunderstood, or I'm way off.. | 19:28 |
| kristi | elnino- they want to display rotating images using the ad system | 19:31 |
| kristi | I covered that with them | 19:31 |
| kristi | so they can rotate images of products that link to the products | 19:31 |
| SynQ2 | hi kristi | 19:31 |
| kristi | hi SynQ2 | 19:32 |
| elnino | oh ok. so it doesn't necessarily need to be ad space sold to a third party. | 19:32 |
| kristi | elnino: they are understanding correctly, it's a great way to feature items on your site | 19:32 |
| kristi | we do it on ours (PB) w the books and the WUC ad | 19:32 |
| SynQ2 | kristi: how far do you live from Elk Grove Village, IL? | 19:33 |
| elnino | kristi: are they expecting to be runningn 7.5? we currently only have 7.4.40. | 19:34 |
| kristi | elnino: it will work in 7.4.40 | 19:34 |
| elnino | kristi: ok Thanks for clarifying! | 19:35 |
| kristi | SynQ2: about 2 hours | 19:35 |
| SynQ2 | ah that is perfect | 19:35 |
| kristi | for?... | 19:36 |
| SynQ2 | would Ryan be interested in a side job? | 19:36 |
| kristi | perhaps | 19:36 |
| SynQ2 | there is a data center over there in Elk Grove Village | 19:36 |
| kristi | and how could Ryan be of help? | 19:37 |
| SynQ2 | the only thing he'd have to do is some hardware juggeling | 19:37 |
| SynQ2 | placing servers and/or replacing failed hardware | 19:37 |
| SynQ2 | not a really hard job | 19:37 |
| SynQ2 | but you have to be strong and deligent :) | 19:37 |
| kristi | I'll send you his email | 19:38 |
| kristi | as long as it's legal and fairly easy, he might be interested | 19:38 |
| SynQ2 | legal and fairly decent sounds like an accurate description | 19:39 |
| SynQ2 | It will have to be done by someone I can trust | 19:40 |
| SynQ2 | and I trust Ryan | 19:40 |
| kristi | ok, I'll send you his email | 19:40 |
| SynQ2 | thanks | 19:40 |
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| xootom | hi, anyone know where i can download the If macro? | 19:43 |
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| @preaction | xootom, it might be in the bazaar, otherwise dunno | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | mighty quiet today | 19:59 |
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| xootom | looks like If was discontinued for security | 20:01 |
| xootom | can i use tmpl_if on an environment variable (Env macro)? | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | xootom, macros are evaluated last? So probably no. | 20:02 |
| xootom | i'm trying to make it possible to login and register from the mobile version of a site, and as a site can only have one 'default template' and login/reg templates, i need them to detect for it being a mobile device and show different templates accordingly | 20:03 |
| xootom | so I created an environment variable in the modperl.conf of each site, setting 'mobile' to 0 or 1 depending on which site the user comes in on. ^Env can display this value. | 20:04 |
| xootom | want to assetproxy in, or conditional, different templates into default/login/registration templates | 20:04 |
| xootom | either based on the env value, or i guess if the url includes 'mobi' or something | 20:05 |
| xootom | maybe i could just risk it with the if macro | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | well, again, I'm pretty sure that macros are evaluated last, which means that they template logic has already been executed by the time the macro is checked. It would be too late. | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | In other words, macros won't help you here. | 20:07 |
| xootom | I can put ^Env("mobile"); in the default template, it shows 1 or 0 correctly depending on the site I use | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but try to say <tmpl_if ^Env("mobile"); >true<tmpl_else>false</tmpl_if> | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think it will work the same | 20:07 |
| xootom | yeah that doesn't work, does that only work on actual template variables.. perhaps i need to create a template variable for the mobile flag, but would rather not modify webgui core | 20:08 |
| SynQ2 | mr. perlDreamer | 20:09 |
| SynQ2 | how areth thou? | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | xootom, one way that may work is to "clone" your site using packages, but using different templates on the two sites. | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's a lot of work | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ2: I'm okay. | 20:09 |
| xootom | do you mean two completely separate sites, different user bases etc? | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | It could be done with different branches off of one site so you can share users and groups | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd ask this question in the HTML Design forum on webgui.org | 20:10 |
| xootom | it's just the default template/login/registration though as they can only be specified once in the site settings | 20:11 |
| xootom | the rest of the site is correctly set up with mobile templates | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | xootom, can you use CSS magic to handle the different browsers (regular vs mobile)? | 20:11 |
| xootom | maybe, the mobile pages would be very basic, a hack would be a massive dynamic javascript output if it's a desktop browser | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | alternately, just make the login/registration template very simple so that it works in both places. | 20:13 |
| xootom | yes that was last resort, as it'd make those pages look so different from the desktop version | 20:13 |
| xootom | thanks for your help perlDreamer | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 20:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ2: Good flight back home? | 20:16 |
| SynQ2 | sure | 20:18 |
| SynQ2 | just a fair bit of turbulence | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Has the Product Workflow RFE been rated yet? | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | All the coding is done. | 20:20 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, is that the one where the product is added to the cart? | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: this is the workflow that checks to see if any product/variant is about to run out of stock. | 20:24 |
| @preaction | ah, nice | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Indeed. | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Especially since we fixed two Workflow bugs while writing the test for it. | 20:24 |
| @preaction | what were they? i've been having some workflow problems recently | 20:25 |
| @preaction | anything to do with workflow instances disappearing? | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | No. | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | It was difficult to create a Workflow instance programmatically | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7389 | 20:26 |
| @preaction | ah | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | The other one was a bug in Inbox/Message.pm | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7390 | 20:26 |
| @preaction | durn... looks like i'm still fishing then | 20:27 |
| @preaction | but tests++! | 20:27 |
| @preaction | also, log4perl is awesome when you have to add tons of logger messages to track down some intermittent bugs | 20:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hmm, Devel::StackTrace failed to install in Cent5.2 WRE8.4 | 20:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | cpan search for scalar::list::utils returns List::MoreUtils | 20:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Class::Data::Inheritable appears up to date in my 8.4 WRE for some reason, which is good. | 20:43 |
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| lus | can I have the same web server hosting webgui host other software | 20:45 |
| lus | can I host another vhost other than another webgui site? | 20:46 |
| @preaction | yes | 20:47 |
| @preaction | though i wouldn't recommend it | 20:47 |
| lus | preaction: I cannot do it | 20:48 |
| @preaction | are you using the WRE's apache? there are things missing from it that might be affecting you (since they're not necessary in WebGUI) | 20:49 |
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| lus | preaction: I'm using centos, trying to run freeside on it too, behind an ipcop firewall | 20:50 |
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| lus | preaction: and Im getting the dansguardian screen - inappropriate content !!?? | 20:51 |
| @preaction | uh... i don't know what dansguardian is | 20:51 |
| @preaction | but it's not WebGUI | 20:51 |
| juan | i have enabled mail from a colaboration system | 20:51 |
| juan | but the account is a google account | 20:51 |
| juan | it works wiith google accounts? | 20:52 |
| juan | becuase the smtp and pop port are different | 20:53 |
| @preaction | can you set the pop3 port? say: pop.google.com:8000 | 20:53 |
| juan | and permit stablish ssl connections? | 20:54 |
| @preaction | i don't know. try it? | 20:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | there has to be a better way to handle database schema changes across upgrades | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | this is simply nuts | 21:02 |
| topsub | In the EMS when i add a ticket and set a date and time, when i add it to the cart it shows a different time. Like 1pm shows up as 18:00:06 in my cart / badge. Is this a bug? both timezones are the same | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds like a bug to me. | 21:12 |
| topsub | also does the ems allow you to buy 2 tickets that have the same start date? | 21:14 |
| topsub | i added a bug report with a screenshot for ya | 21:17 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Wow, I've somehow managed to mangle a Mac, Cent5.2, and an F9 WRE install | 21:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm just that godo | 21:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | good | 21:56 |
| ckotil | nice. | 21:58 |
| ckotil | Ive botched some wre installs myself | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I have never botched a WRE install... | 21:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Somehow though I must have mangled the system as well (although I'm not sure how that is possible using the WRE). Because no matter how many times I blow everything away, make sure, unpack the WRE, 'svn -R revert .', I get the same result. | 21:59 |
| @Haarg | it does the same with an automatic install? | 22:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haven't tried with automatic install. But that would imply something was wrong with [HEAD] so other people should be having this problem. | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | well, there's still the log config file | 22:06 |
| @Haarg | that's all i can think of at least that the wre does extra | 22:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, here's a new one "proxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /" | 22:07 |
| @khenn | Does anyone know what this is doing inside the www_editEventMetaFieldSave method: foreach ('label') { | 22:09 |
| @khenn | it is obviously looping over each of the fields | 22:09 |
| @khenn | but I can't figure out what the default value is there | 22:09 |
| @khenn | or where it's getting it from | 22:09 |
| @khenn | presumably it would be from the @_ stack | 22:09 |
| @khenn | but that doesn't make sense either | 22:09 |
| @khenn | eh | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses $_ as the loop variable | 22:10 |
| @khenn | yeah | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and iterates over the loop once, with the value label | 22:10 |
| @khenn | I know that | 22:10 |
| @khenn | what is it looping over? | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | 'label' | 22:11 |
| @khenn | foreach ('label') | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:11 |
| @khenn | that's a string | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Just one loop | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a 1 element array | 22:11 |
| @khenn | oh | 22:11 |
| @khenn | eh | 22:11 |
| @khenn | yeah I get it now | 22:11 |
| @khenn | heh | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps a copy and paste of similar code from elsewhere? | 22:11 |
| @khenn | that's really bad | 22:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | what's the point of that? | 22:12 |
| @khenn | exactly | 22:13 |
| @khenn | it's a foreach loop which iterates over one thing | 22:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and that $thing is a hard coded string. | 22:13 |
| @khenn | I thought it might be some weird Perl way of doing something | 22:13 |
| * perlmonkey2 double checks to make sure he didn't write it :P | 22:13 | |
| @khenn | but no, it's just bad code | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | svn blame never lies | 22:13 |
| @khenn | I'm pretty sure I know who did it | 22:14 |
| @khenn | =p | 22:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: so that is your push for GIT, it lies? | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | No, my push for git is that it's easier to make private branches with version control | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and lets me commit offline | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but git-svn seems like a good median | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I just haven't tried it yet. | 22:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I know, I was just kidding :) and git-svn does seem like a good stop-gap. | 22:17 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I just don't get it. The WRE perl's @INC is only looking at the prereq's paths. So system perl modules shouldn't affect it. So how is it that 8.3/4 [HEAD], 7.5.11, and last stable, all fail the same way with mod_proxy going into infinite loops. A networking issue maybe? | 22:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Okay I'm firing myself, I just suck too bad. | 22:22 |
| @Haarg | only thing i can imagine doing that would be a messed up mod_proxy config | 22:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I just had a glimmer of hope. I always use www.test.com as my test domain, and then set localhost to that in /etc/hosts. But I use local domain caching in my server, which was also hosting a www.test.com instance. So maybe the mac was using dns over /etc/hosts? | 22:24 |
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| @Haarg | i wouldn't think so | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | what version of the wre are you using? | 22:25 |
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| @Haarg | and can you post your site's modperl and modproxy configs somewhere? | 22:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: tried 8.3 and 4 | 22:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sure | 22:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | pastebin.com/d44f5974b | 22:36 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 22:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | thoe should be pretty standard | 22:38 |
| @Haarg | try getting rid of those port 80 proxy lines | 22:38 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | same Max-Forwards issue | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | is it even proxying to the modperl server properly? | 22:59 |
| @Haarg | check your access logs maybe | 22:59 |
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| jlittlewood | Haarg- | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg++ | 23:10 |
| jlittlewood | Haarg- I tried that patch you told me about yesterday, but it didn't seem to work | 23:10 |
| jlittlewood | ha\ | 23:10 |
| jlittlewood | Harrg: 'twas re: getting export tab delimited to do its magic | 23:10 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:10 |
| jlittlewood | sadly the results were not what we were hoping | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | are you certain you have Text::CSV_XS updated fully? | 23:11 |
| jlittlewood | mm | 23:11 |
| jlittlewood | no I am most def not certain of that | 23:11 |
| jlittlewood | where does that live? | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | well, if you just run testEnvironment it will tell you | 23:11 |
| jlittlewood | that does not appear to be installed | 23:16 |
| jlittlewood | a key to the puzzle, if there ever was one | 23:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I'm working on the DataForm bug (fyi) | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | which one? | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | validation? | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | eyah | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | yeah, should be simple. just a boolean check instead of an undef/eq "". | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | line 1374 | 00:34 |
| jlittlewood | Haarg: looks like we do have Text::CSV_XS installed | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | the correct version? | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | also, after using the patch, how does it fail? | 00:35 |
| jlittlewood | Checking for module Text::CSV_XS: OK | 00:36 |
| jlittlewood | is there more to it than that? | 00:36 |
| jlittlewood | it fails by kicking you to the asset url | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | check the logs, there might be something in there | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | anybody else having problem with autocommit in HEAD? | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | no | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | what kind of problems are you having? | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | It won't process the autocommit workflows | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | 2008/09/03 14:41:46 - ERROR - mywebgui.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance 'vMLSkFGtNW0wcMWjtyh5Ow': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 334 | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | since I did a little mucking in there during the WUC, I got very worried | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I restarted spectre, it seems to have resolved itself | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope, it's not resolved. | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | My patch to Workflow::Instance.pm is causing workflow probelms. | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I was looking for something to do this afternoon :) | 01:09 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7398 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added page range to paginator variables | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: still lurking about? | 01:29 |
| @preaction | yes | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I think my patch to Workflow::Instance is causing those problems | 01:29 |
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| @preaction | uhoh | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm having autocommit problems | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | when I revert the patch, they go away | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the funny thing is that I had to patch it to make creating workflow instances from tests work. | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to revert it in SVN, and then try to figure out what's going on. | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | at least that way Spectre stuff will work again | 01:32 |
| @preaction | i can't see anything wrong, but create() might need the same change | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | the thing I don't get is why would you ever pass params from the Workflow Instance to the Activity that's being created? | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | line 334 | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow::Activity->new wants an activityId in that slot | 01:35 |
| @preaction | eval { WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate($class, $method, [$self->session, $params]) }; <- this line? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 01:35 |
| @preaction | this is creating the pass-in object for the activity | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 01:35 |
| @preaction | $class is the object type of the pass-in object | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. the problem field is $params | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | if you look at W::A->new, the second param is supposed to be the workflow activityId | 01:36 |
| @preaction | but... there is no workflow object type of WebGUI::Workflow::Activity? | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | $className is the class of the activity itself, not the parent? | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and they all inherit new from that master class | 01:37 |
| @preaction | no, it's the class of the pass-in object | 01:37 |
| @preaction | like WebGUI::VersionTag | 01:37 |
| @preaction | or WebGUI::User | 01:37 |
| @preaction | our activity is instanciated at line 322 | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, let me rewind a sec | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | then in WebGUI::VersionTag->new, the second param is not the parameters of the Workflow::Instance | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a versionTagId | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | oh dear | 01:39 |
| @preaction | right, which is why the value of the parameters column is a hashref with a single key, parameters, which contains the actual data | 01:40 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7399 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 01:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where the value 0 wasn't valid when entering | 01:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: data into the DataForm. | 01:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7400 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting DataForm 0 data value fix | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | how do I force spectre to run a suspended workflow? | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, it just keeps retrying | 01:48 |
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| @tavisto | hey Patspam | 02:13 |
| patspam | hey tavisto | 02:13 |
| @tavisto | how goes it? | 02:13 |
| patspam | still getting over jet-leg | 02:14 |
| patspam | no TV from LAX to sydney.. united airlines are tightarses! | 02:14 |
| @tavisto | gah.. no good | 02:15 |
| @tavisto | yeah I always try to fly NWA and when I go over to europe I am definitely going with KLM | 02:16 |
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| @tavisto | well it was great meeting you at the WUC this year. Great to have the face to put with the IRC name. | 02:16 |
| patspam | yeah likewise, was so awesome to meet all you guys at the WUC | 02:16 |
| @tavisto | you'll be happy to know that next year we're going to try and work the IRC names into the namebadges :) | 02:16 |
| patspam | heh that will help | 02:17 |
| patspam | and the year after that we can have avatars | 02:17 |
| SynQ2 | ok sleepy time | 02:20 |
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| @tavisto | hehe | 02:21 |
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| +cap10morgan | when using ldap w/ webgui, how do you specify the "search base"? | 04:29 |
| elnino | hi. I'm missing the group "registered users" for some reason. Is this bad =) can I just create it? or is there a way to recover it? what is the default ID? | 04:29 |
| +cap10morgan | I tried putting /dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org on the end of my LDAP URL, but i get Invalid DN then | 04:30 |
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| @preaction | elnino_laptop, the group can't be deleted, but it also doesn't show up in some group select boxes (since all users are automatically part of the Registered Users group) | 04:35 |
| elnino_laptop | it's not even displaying when I go into admin._ groups. | 04:35 |
| elnino_laptop | WEIRD | 04:35 |
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| elnino_laptop | I manually created a user, and I couldn't add them to the "registered group" I"m running 7.4.40. | 04:36 |
| elnino_laptop | I should be able to see it in those two places, right? | 04:36 |
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| @tavisto | I think because maybe it's already in the group? | 04:37 |
| elnino_laptop | I'm sorry, I must have been dreaming. I thought for sure I saw the group on my other site in the admin area. So then the question arises, how to you email the group "registered users" if it isn't listed in admin->groups? | 04:39 |
| @tavisto | well I'm not for certain but that was my late night guess :) | 04:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Ernisto is the guy who did the Debian release, rigth? | 04:40 |
| @tavisto | yep it's Ernesto | 04:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | tavisto: Any luck with SCT :P | 04:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hmm, I need to get a debian vm running with his package to see how he did a lot of things. Looking at the Fedora packaging guidelines now and it doesn't look too bad. | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | sct? | 04:43 |
| elnino_laptop | I'm trying to get email sent out from webgui, and my client is using gmail as the smtp server. I have ssmtp setup to point to the google servers, so do I just put localhost in webgui's settings? | 04:44 |
| @preaction | elnino_laptop, sendmail on the localhost is acting as a smart relay to google? then yes | 04:44 |
| elnino_laptop | yes. So Good. Thanks! | 04:45 |
| elnino_laptop | So then my other question remains. how do I send an email to the group "registered users" if it isn't listed under admin -> groups? hmmm... | 04:45 |
| @preaction | it seems you dont. but you could, say, make a new group, and then add the "Registered Users" group to that group, then send a message to that new group | 04:48 |
| @preaction | that might work | 04:48 |
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| elnino_laptop | it worked! Thanks! | 04:58 |
| elnino_laptop | I'll create a wiki for that. | 04:59 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7401 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added datatable installer. fixed some bugs. finished i18n | 05:32 |
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| @tavisto | perlmonkey2, well if at some point in the future you want to work on the fedora stuff... I have some emails I can forward you to all of the best resources to get started. We do have someone from the community who offered to do it previously. JT contacted him and he said to give him a few weeks | 06:11 |
| @rizen | tavis i don't know if you watched the rnc tonight,b ut if you did you have to be happy about the palin and gulliani speeches | 06:15 |
| @rizen | they were both very good speakers | 06:16 |
| @tavisto | nope, I've been researching getting started areas and recovering from this brutal deep tissue massage I got on my spine earlier | 06:19 |
| @tavisto | rizen, I am glad to hear they were good. I plan to watch them of course. | 06:19 |
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| elnino | ok. i'm confused. I have two sites. both are 7.4.40. One has a Newsletter asset the other doesnt. So I added "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter" thinking that would do it, but it doesn't. The one that has newsletter was build from 7.3.xx so maybe it's an old asset from back then? | 06:50 |
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| elnino | I see that Newsletter.pm is in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration. so maybe I'm missing a step. | 06:53 |
| elnino | tried clearing cache | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, check the config file? | 06:58 |
| elnino | yep, that's where I added the Collaboratoin::Newsletter to the site that didn't have one. And restarted the services. | 06:58 |
| elnino | the default webgui didn't have it either. | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter | 06:59 |
| elnino | yep. that's what I got. I"ll triple check | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see if I can set up one, too | 07:00 |
| elnino | case and spelling correct too. | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | (kathy says hi) | 07:01 |
| elnino | I hope I'm not doing soething dumb. | 07:01 |
| elnino | Hi Kathy! | 07:01 |
| elnino | It was nice meeting her! | 07:01 |
| elnino | comma is in the correct place too. | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I added this to my config file | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter", | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | to the assets section | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | restarted WebGUI | 07:03 |
| elnino | yep. | 07:03 |
| elnino | yep | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and it showed up in my Admin Bar | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and I was able to add one to the site | 07:03 |
| elnino | grrr. | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | log file? | 07:03 |
| elnino | I was looking. didn't see anythign, but now. oh. bad day. why is this back? | 07:04 |
| elnino | where would wre's apache files be? | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | /data/wre/logs? | 07:06 |
| * perlDreamer is not a WRE user | 07:07 | |
| elnino | sorry, the conf file. | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no idea | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | using SVN commands, how do you revert an earlier change to a file? | 07:12 |
| elnino | I don't know, but newletter showed up!!! | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 07:14 |
| elnino | I shut down everythign and noticed some orphan wre https so I killed them all. and restarted! YEAH! | 07:15 |
| elnino | I think I learned that trick from you or preaction. | 07:15 |
| elnino | thanks! | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it was preaction | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | oh to do a revert: svn merge -c -versionNum https://repo | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | the key is the negative version num | 07:16 |
| elnino | or maybe perlmonkey. I don't know you all are equally helpful. So how DO I transfer karma to you guys? | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Good question. | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | You go here: http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and use the form on the right | 07:17 |
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| elnino | oh. I didn't see that there, I must not have been logged in at the time. Thanks! karma coming! Have a good night! | 07:20 |
| elnino | preaction what is your username on webgui.org? | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | He is DBell | 07:21 |
| elnino | Thanks! | 07:21 |
| elnino | good night. | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, elnino | 07:22 |
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| elnino | oh.. I was going to ask, Is there a way to display the registratoin form inline on another page i have in webgui? | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the HTTP proxy asset | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from that, I'm not sure | 07:38 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7402 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: rolling back 7389, since it seems to be causing problems with spectre | 07:46 |
| elnino | I was wondering about that..but it displays the deisng too. I'll see if I can cut the design off. | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, thank you very much for the karma, I threw in an RFE for a bonus. | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | We'll see if rizen says that I can commit it for 7.6 | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night! | 08:01 |
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| patspam | great to see the karma economy at work | 08:22 |
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| BartJol | morning | 15:19 |
| @khenn | morning | 15:22 |
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| BartJol | mmm after adding a subscription to a cart, you can't see the cart ?shop=cart doesn't seem to work | 16:20 |
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| @bopbop | good morning | 16:38 |
| BartJol | hi | 16:38 |
| @khenn | morning | 16:38 |
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| @rizen | BartJol: i believe that's a bug in the current version that has already been fixed in the version that's going out today | 16:41 |
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| BartJol | ah | 16:44 |
| BartJol | nice to know, I was looking whether it was a bug... | 16:45 |
| BartJol | well, that is some relieve, thanks | 16:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | anyone have a link to the JT phenom video with the street interviews and news reporters? | 17:08 |
| @rizen | it's linked in the black blog | 17:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, hah, missed that | 17:09 |
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| BartJol | JT venom video? | 17:17 |
| @rizen | phenom not venom | 17:17 |
| BartJol | no fangs? too bad... | 17:19 |
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| @rizen | that would have been at the town hall meeting where i went off on koen | 17:21 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You went off on Koen? Do we get to hear the details of the drama? | 17:28 |
| BartJol | Koen's still in shock... | 17:30 |
| BartJol | which means that he keeps talking | 17:30 |
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| @bopbop | I enjoyed the part where lightning bolts shot out of JT's head | 17:39 |
| @bopbop | there was also the pulsing vein | 17:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: what does pagination.range do? | 18:20 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, shows the number of records in the page, so "start-end" | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Cool. Thanks. | 18:21 |
| SDuensin | Whoa. perlDreamer didn't know something? | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's only the tip of what I don't know. Just ask my wife ;) | 18:26 |
| SDuensin | hehehehe | 18:26 |
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| topsub | anyone good with the yui grid? | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | nope, sorry topsub | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is anyone else allowed to post on the new templates discussion board? | 19:04 |
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| topsub | Nope | 19:31 |
| topsub | or if i am i don't know about it | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Huh, from a dev board posting, I guess it's private. | 19:42 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7403 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm: RFE: add a back to site link to the account option list | 20:34 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7404 /branch/colin-experimental/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): add a starting index to the asset class iterator | 20:34 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7405 /branch/colin-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): RFE: product quantity checking workflow with test and i18n | 20:34 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7406 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: add i18n for the pagination.range template variable | 20:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Do we use any other OO method than Class::InsideOut? | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Just standard perl5 OO | 20:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | blessed hashes/ | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yawp | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Why do you ask? | 20:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I need to iterate through my anon objects and that is about impossible without typing out every member name in Class::IO | 20:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | object members I mean | 20:36 |
| BartJol | joohoo, I am not totally incapable for everything! | 20:36 |
| BartJol | hee, colin, making more work for me I see | 20:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the JSON collateral will be loaded into objects which needed to be able to interate through their members without me typing out every single one. Else I'd have 400 lines of code of just encoding/decoding json :P | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: Just saving the world through proper i18n | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Assets will not be Class::InsideOut for a while | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | does that help? | 20:38 |
| BartJol | you superhero | 20:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: were you asking me if that helped or bart? | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: you | 20:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yes, definetely | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 20:39 |
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| +cap10morgan | here's a strange one. spectre is getting 502 proxy error from a bunch of my sites, but when i curl http://www.site.org:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData from the same host, it works just fine | 20:52 |
| +cap10morgan | any idea what that's about? | 20:53 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/view-profile/2 | 21:11 |
| @rizen | why so vague? | 21:11 |
| @rizen | is it commited or not? | 21:11 |
| @rizen | why "ready a commit" | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: In the past I've always let you know when it is done. then you say when it's okay to commit it or not. | 21:24 |
| @rizen | it's a bug fix | 21:25 |
| @rizen | it's not an rfe | 21:25 |
| @rizen | fix bugs and get them in as quickly as possible | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll commit it now :) | 21:25 |
| @rizen | if we need to fix your fix we'll do it | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, it's not a bug, it's an rfe | 21:26 |
| @rizen | it's got a bug url | 21:26 |
| @rizen | how did that happen | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Must have been a bug that was moved off of the bug board into the RFE | 21:26 |
| @rizen | commit | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | committed | 21:30 |
| @rizen | you rock | 21:31 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 21:36 |
| @Haarg | thing with no fields becomes nicely busted | 21:36 |
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| metanil | how to get the ipaddress of particular session?? (sth like $self->session->ipAddress??) | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Env | 21:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7407 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm): add a return to site link in account options | 21:49 |
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| zylopfa | Greetings all | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy | 21:55 |
| zylopfa | Can i ask a little question about warnings in my logs? | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | sure! | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | If you have lots of them, please use a paste site | 21:56 |
| zylopfa | Its on 1 site only :D Its the warning: The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. | 21:56 |
| zylopfa | WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785] - The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. | 21:57 |
| zylopfa | thats the whole liek | 21:57 |
| zylopfa | line | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | It says "*" <- asterisk ? | 21:57 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd say that someone typed in the wrong URL | 21:57 |
| zylopfa | I am suspecting maybe some workflow | 21:57 |
| zylopfa | ohh | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | * is not a legal URL character | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be filtered out when the asset is created | 21:58 |
| miloidrr | perlDreamer hi | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, miloidrr | 21:58 |
| miloidrr | I want to show you my new webgui site | 21:58 |
| miloidrr | www.rockemite.fm | 21:58 |
| zylopfa | Will take a look :D | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, yes. I know that y'all have been working on that for a while. | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it all done now? | 21:58 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, it seems like its whenever i view the sites main page. But how can urls be wrong when its the correct url to the site :O | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa: Are there any macros on the page? | 22:00 |
| miloidrr | Yer perlDreamer, the site has an radiostation create by the users, all by webgui | 22:00 |
| miloidrr | as youtube | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | nice :) | 22:00 |
| zylopfa | Hmm no macros perlDreamer | 22:03 |
| zylopfa | Do you know what the number mean: WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785] | 22:03 |
| zylopfa | the 1785 | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the line in the file | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI/Asset.pm, line 1785 | 22:04 |
| zylopfa | lol ohh ofc | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, here's a few things to try. | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | in etc/log.conf, change the level to DEBUG and restart the webservers | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | then reload the home page and see if it tells you more | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | miloidrr, so you must have solved your XML from Collaboration System problem to make the radio station work? | 22:05 |
| miloidrr | Im has solved this problem | 22:06 |
| zylopfa | Thanks a lot perlDreamer | 22:07 |
| zylopfa | Maybe its something with language support files, as i run visitor users in Danish language | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | That would be an easy problem, zylopfa. | 22:07 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the only thing I can think of is somewhere on your front page is a piece of code trying to look up an asset by the URL * | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the URL? | 22:08 |
| zylopfa | http://www.dorthediness.dk/ | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | in the db, does "SELECT assetId from assetData where url='*'; return anything? | 22:10 |
| zylopfa | none at all | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Is this site in development, or is it live? | 22:11 |
| zylopfa | its live | 22:11 |
| zylopfa | I am hosting 6 sites atm on the installation | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | everything works as expected? No missing or broken elements? | 22:12 |
| zylopfa | yeah it all work | 22:12 |
| zylopfa | its after upgrade it happend | 22:12 |
| zylopfa | from 4.20 to the newest | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | 4.20? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 4.20? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | surely you mean 7.4.20? | 22:13 |
| zylopfa | yeah sorry | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to head to an appointment. I'll be back on later. Keep plugging away, zylopfa. | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe you could persuade BartJol to look at it, too. | 22:14 |
| zylopfa | Thanks a lot and thanks for help | 22:14 |
| zylopfa | the debut thing is real good, insane much you can see | 22:14 |
| zylopfa | all the queries and stuff | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, sometimes too much | 22:14 |
| zylopfa | indeed | 22:14 |
| zylopfa | haha this is strange, the good log told me a query of: | 22:19 |
| zylopfa | select asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 1 | 22:19 |
| zylopfa | with '*' as the placeholder url | 22:19 |
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| BartJol | oh zylopfa sorry, I mist a bit | 22:43 |
| zylopfa | Ahh its ok, i am just getting tons of warnings on my site | 22:43 |
| zylopfa | The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. | 22:43 |
| zylopfa | I dont know what makes these | 22:44 |
| zylopfa | but i put debug in the logging facility | 22:44 |
| zylopfa | and it is make a sql query like this: | 22:44 |
| zylopfa | select asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 1 | 22:45 |
| zylopfa | with '*' as the placeholder | 22:45 |
| zylopfa | dont know what wobject / asset etc. that make that query | 22:45 |
| zylopfa | HAHA I found it I think | 22:48 |
| zylopfa | I was tailing the access log | 22:48 |
| BartJol | oh, was just getting to look | 22:48 |
| zylopfa | And i can see | 22:48 |
| zylopfa | OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection) | 22:48 |
| BartJol | suspension... | 22:48 |
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| BartJol | never seen that one | 22:49 |
| zylopfa | So it must be the LDAP thing | 22:49 |
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| BartJol | ah | 22:49 |
| zylopfa | that think it has to do something | 22:49 |
| zylopfa | so i am gonna check if some ldap things are mistakenly set on | 22:50 |
| BartJol | ok will be around | 22:50 |
| zylopfa | Thanks a lot friend | 22:50 |
| BartJol | didn't do anything yet :) | 22:51 |
| zylopfa | I have found something more | 22:52 |
| zylopfa | I was in LDAP connections in admin | 22:52 |
| zylopfa | Default LDAP Connection:Invalid | 22:52 |
| zylopfa | I dont use anything with LDAP but maybe its trying something | 22:52 |
| BartJol | gonna have a look | 22:53 |
| zylopfa | Its the Visitor user | 22:53 |
| zylopfa | that is the user noted in the logs | 22:53 |
| zylopfa | and it says: (internal dummy connection) | 22:54 |
| BartJol | does the visitor use ldap authentication? | 22:56 |
| BartJol | my grep on the error message is working | 22:56 |
| zylopfa | No, LDAP auth is disabled from the site not even login possibilities | 22:56 |
| zylopfa | I tried to delete the ldap link | 22:57 |
| zylopfa | the default one | 22:57 |
| BartJol | ah, maybe you just have that as it was | 22:57 |
| zylopfa | I am watching the log in awe, to see if the Warning comes again | 22:57 |
| miloidrr | perlDreamer hi again | 22:57 |
| miloidrr | I need create a glosary of words | 22:58 |
| BartJol | I think he's gone right now | 22:58 |
| zylopfa | yeah hes out atm | 22:58 |
| zylopfa | damn it | 22:58 |
| zylopfa | ::1 - Visitor [04/Sep/2008:21:36:08 +0200] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)" | 22:58 |
| zylopfa | What is an internal dummy connection? | 22:58 |
| miloidrr | What is the best to make it? | 22:58 |
| BartJol | I think it's ldap://ldap.mycompany.com:389/o=MyCompany | 22:59 |
| zylopfa | It happens the same time in the log when i get the "The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree." warning | 22:59 |
| zylopfa | I am trying to isolate what makes the sql statement | 22:59 |
| zylopfa | where the url is set to * | 22:59 |
| BartJol | no internal dummy connection found... | 23:00 |
| BartJol | it's i n asset .pm | 23:00 |
| BartJol | :) | 23:01 |
| @Haarg | it's something related to using apache 2.2 | 23:02 |
| zylopfa | So its intended? | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | it's an internal part of apache | 23:03 |
| zylopfa | Maybe its spectre polling the webserver? | 23:03 |
| zylopfa | ahhh ok | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | you could probably make a rewrite rule to ignore it so it wouldn't show up in the webgui logs | 23:03 |
| zylopfa | I might take LOG WARN off then its every minute or so i get 10 lines of warnings | 23:03 |
| zylopfa | ahh good idea | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*internal\ dummy\ connection.*$ [NC] | 23:04 |
| @Haarg | RewriteRule . - [L] | 23:04 |
| zylopfa | Its only one of the sites i host that make it | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | or something similar | 23:05 |
| zylopfa | thanks a lot | 23:05 |
| BartJol | miloidrr: sorry, your glossary? | 23:06 |
| zylopfa | Like a "page" with words and their meaning? | 23:06 |
| zylopfa | I'd use the collaboration system and modify the "link list" template | 23:07 |
| zylopfa | (Collaboration System Template) | 23:07 |
| zylopfa | The Collaboration system is genius cause many things users have to make themselves they format wrongly | 23:09 |
| zylopfa | with collaboration system you can just tell them to input things and then it show as you indended it to | 23:09 |
| BartJol | with articles you have to rearrange them | 23:10 |
| zylopfa | Yeah | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | miloidrr, I think the DataForm | 23:11 |
| BartJol | with drag and drop, that won't have to be that bad | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Tell it to view the table/list by default | 23:11 |
| zylopfa | Propably best with dataform | 23:12 |
| zylopfa | No wait | 23:12 |
| zylopfa | I think its best with collaboration system | 23:12 |
| zylopfa | as you can sort it by title, which is the same as the Words in your glosary | 23:12 |
| zylopfa | http://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home <- the left menu bar is made with collaboration system | 23:13 |
| zylopfa | And by tweaking the template just a bit you can have a glossary system instead of a linklist | 23:14 |
| zylopfa | its the same data nearly | 23:14 |
| zylopfa | Title, description | 23:14 |
| zylopfa | and you can sort it on title | 23:14 |
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| zylopfa | and also use the paginator feature if your glossary is more than n entries long | 23:15 |
| wgGuest10 | hello everyone | 23:15 |
| BartJol | hi | 23:15 |
| zylopfa | Greetings wgGuest10 | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | how about a Thingy? | 23:16 |
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| zylopfa | Its to much for only something which have a title and a description imo | 23:16 |
| zylopfa | the collaboration system have all things needed also | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's why I was thinking DataForm | 23:16 |
| zylopfa | yeah propably more lightweight than collaboration sys also | 23:16 |
| BartJol | I have it: snippets! | 23:16 |
| zylopfa | ahhaha nooo | 23:16 |
| BartJol | :) | 23:16 |
| zylopfa | It must be somewhat automagical | 23:17 |
| wgGuest10 | ok, i'm either wanting to be really stupid today, or i've looked at this computer too long. can webgui except flash and other programs? | 23:17 |
| BartJol | it can actually | 23:17 |
| zylopfa | yeah wgGuest10 | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest10: WebGUI can upload and download flash, but playing flash is different | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you need an embedded flash player for that | 23:17 |
| zylopfa | its nothing to do with the webgui | 23:17 |
| BartJol | well, there is a flash player in the rich editor | 23:17 |
| zylopfa | flash is played on your browser, webgui can serve the files yes | 23:17 |
| wgGuest10 | can i load my existing webist onto webgui | 23:18 |
| BartJol | but it's a bit picky on what kinda | 23:18 |
| wgGuest10 | website* | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest10, yes. | 23:18 |
| zylopfa | miloidrr are you still with us? | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Look in the Bazaar section on www.webgui.org | 23:18 |
| wgGuest10 | ok thanks | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | my turn for asking questions: I want to build a site where the gatewayUrl is /webgui. How do I configure Apache to do that? | 23:19 |
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| zylopfa | what do you mean with gateway url? | 23:20 |
| zylopfa | the default start url? | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a config file option | 23:20 |
| zylopfa | like normal /home? | 23:20 |
| zylopfa | ohh | 23:20 |
| BartJol | but you can set your homepage right? | 23:22 |
| zylopfa | cant it just be set in the config file like oyu say? | 23:23 |
| zylopfa | "gateway" : "/", | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:23 |
| zylopfa | "gateway" : "/webgui", | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think Apache needs some config as well | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe not | 23:23 |
| zylopfa | hmm | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I should just try it :) | 23:23 |
| zylopfa | I hope not | 23:23 |
| zylopfa | yeah i think so | 23:23 |
| zylopfa | Does anyone know a good way for multi language sites? | 23:24 |
| zylopfa | I saw Koen had a question about it long ago on the forums but no answer | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's hard to do multisite on WebGUI | 23:24 |
| zylopfa | ahh | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Most people will build a separate branch on the site | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | then make a package of the main site and deploy it on the side branch | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | then translate it | 23:25 |
| zylopfa | Sometimes i just thing i make http://en.titlandata.dk | 23:25 |
| zylopfa | and copy the site in danish to the new one | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:25 |
| zylopfa | I was thinking of just copinging the entire db and site branches to another site | 23:25 |
| zylopfa | as they are in 2 different databases anyway it should work | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | no need to do that, you can use a Redirect URL to just go to the other branch. | 23:26 |
| zylopfa | But the maintainence is 2 sited | 23:26 |
| zylopfa | yeah i could make a branch also | 23:26 |
| zylopfa | instead of subdomaing for 2 different sites | 23:27 |
| zylopfa | Makes more sense to keep it on 1 site also | 23:27 |
| zylopfa | then you can reuse content elements | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, same user database, groups, lots of good reasons | 23:27 |
| zylopfa | yeah ofc | 23:27 |
| zylopfa | lol its a damn mess i'd have made | 23:27 |
| zylopfa | thanks for clearing it with me | 23:27 |
| zylopfa | Else it would be an endless syncronisation between them | 23:28 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, | 23:28 |
| zylopfa | I have a good idea i think | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | What is it? | 23:28 |
| zylopfa | Mostly you have text inside the Articles right? | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:29 |
| zylopfa | Damn that wont work | 23:29 |
| zylopfa | I was gonna make a macro to get the english text from a database | 23:29 |
| zylopfa | taking the asset id | 23:29 |
| zylopfa | but its not good | 23:29 |
| zylopfa | cause text sould be entered into the asset | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if there are RFEs with good ideas in them for that? | 23:30 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 23:30 |
| zylopfa | Or maybe you could make a new Article asset | 23:30 |
| zylopfa | that was the same as the old | 23:30 |
| zylopfa | but with "Language" selector | 23:30 |
| zylopfa | so you could put different texts for different languages | 23:31 |
| zylopfa | Ohh i know | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | if you did it with JSON, it would make it easier than doing different db columns for each languages | 23:31 |
| zylopfa | The defailt bars is: | 23:31 |
| zylopfa | Properties, Dispaly, Security, Metadata | 23:31 |
| zylopfa | right | 23:31 |
| zylopfa | but then you could have additional bars for other languages | 23:31 |
| zylopfa | perhaps sub bars under display | 23:32 |
| zylopfa | Under properties i mean | 23:32 |
| zylopfa | but it might be to cluttered | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | after 4-5 languages it would be bad | 23:32 |
| zylopfa | True | 23:32 |
| zylopfa | I wonder how it could be done best | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I liked your language selector idea | 23:33 |
| BartJol | languages... | 23:33 |
| BartJol | Garbish is all you need right | 23:34 |
| zylopfa | I am making my business site to english also | 23:34 |
| zylopfa | so i have thought a bit about it | 23:34 |
| zylopfa | The i18n is good but its only for internal stuff | 23:35 |
| BartJol | yeah, but your always stuck with a human translation | 23:35 |
| zylopfa | and the text for the assets themselves, not their content | 23:35 |
| zylopfa | ahah true BartJol | 23:35 |
| zylopfa | The danish translationi s only 2% done | 23:35 |
| BartJol | well | 23:35 |
| zylopfa | I am working on it step by step | 23:35 |
| BartJol | good job | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, you need to hire some college students to help you out, or something | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a lot to translate | 23:36 |
| zylopfa | yeah i need it | 23:36 |
| BartJol | and one day, one glorious day, you will get a 100% translated, my child | 23:36 |
| zylopfa | Also i need some good translations for things that arent in danish | 23:36 |
| zylopfa | yeah!! | 23:36 |
| * perlDreamer bows to BartJol | 23:37 | |
| BartJol | get up | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh Great Translator, shower us with your i18n wisdom and knowledge | 23:37 |
| BartJol | mmm, are you making fun of me? | 23:37 |
| zylopfa | Is the maintainers of the different assets fast to change the labels? | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh yes | 23:37 |
| BartJol | they do | 23:37 |
| zylopfa | then it can be hard to maintain the other language set of it | 23:38 |
| BartJol | so it's like garden or woman maintenance, it will never stop | 23:38 |
| zylopfa | ahah yeah | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | which assets are you talking about, zylopfa? | 23:38 |
| zylopfa | Just all of the Wobjects | 23:38 |
| zylopfa | and macros | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and the operations | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and the workflows | 23:38 |
| zylopfa | ahah yeah | 23:38 |
| zylopfa | inde admin interface ++ | 23:39 |
| BartJol | and more | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | any label that you want changed, just submit a bug for it | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it usually gets fixed the same day | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | but | 23:39 |
| zylopfa | I change it myself in the i18n.webgui.org | 23:39 |
| BartJol | you can't change the english | 23:39 |
| zylopfa | ahh thats true | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, for changing english, submit a bug | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | for another language, i18n.webgui.org | 23:39 |
| zylopfa | Not so many problems with the english one | 23:39 |
| zylopfa | just hard to follow up if the designers change some labels a lot | 23:40 |
| zylopfa | then the other translations will have to file new ones | 23:40 |
| BartJol | yeah well thosde ar checked quite some times | 23:40 |
| zylopfa | ahh | 23:40 |
| BartJol | mostly there are only major translations with new assets or revisions of them | 23:41 |
| zylopfa | I am gonna make "Multilanguage Article" project | 23:41 |
| BartJol | as on operation? | 23:41 |
| zylopfa | it will ofc inherit all Article operations | 23:41 |
| zylopfa | and i will ad my own language stuff | 23:41 |
| BartJol | sounds cool, but not straightforward | 23:42 |
| BartJol | new? WebGUI hacker here I see | 23:42 |
| zylopfa | It will be a Wobject | 23:42 |
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| zylopfa | I have worked with webgui for some years | 23:42 |
| BartJol | ah | 23:42 |
| BartJol | good | 23:42 |
| zylopfa | but its after i made a company to make websites and designs i realy got into it | 23:42 |
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| zylopfa | http://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home is my site for the company, its under development | 23:43 |
| zylopfa | so its on a test domain | 23:43 |
| BartJol | I can almost read it :) | 23:43 |
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| zylopfa | ahah nice | 23:43 |
| zylopfa | can you see the "ticker " on the top? | 23:44 |
| zylopfa | its a news bar | 23:44 |
| BartJol | I do | 23:44 |
| zylopfa | and its taken from a collaboration system asset | 23:44 |
| zylopfa | so i can easy add new news | 23:44 |
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| BartJol | ah, we have that on a site somewhere | 23:44 |
| zylopfa | I love the collaboration system | 23:45 |
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| BartJol | you make a kinda sql report and put it into a javascript | 23:45 |
| BartJol | but that's old | 23:45 |
| zylopfa | I made a macro for it | 23:45 |
| BartJol | cool | 23:45 |
| zylopfa | I am also playing with the Thingy now | 23:46 |
| zylopfa | on a dream diary site | 23:46 |
| BartJol | oh cool | 23:46 |
| zylopfa | Only thing with thingy is that you cant "own" the records you enter | 23:46 |
| BartJol | and you can connects through dreams> | 23:46 |
| zylopfa | ahah yeah :D | 23:46 |
| BartJol | that be cool | 23:46 |
| zylopfa | I am making sql reports from the thingie | 23:47 |
| doc777 | Hello everyone. Sorry to interrupt... Can anyone tell me a sqlquery to select new user accounts over the last 24 hours? I see the dateCreated field is an (int) and not a time stamp... | 23:47 |
| zylopfa | but its not so safe | 23:47 |
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| BartJol | it's an epoch time | 23:47 |
| zylopfa | cause if the records are not owned by anyone | 23:47 |
| BartJol | so that's an int | 23:47 |
| zylopfa | doc777, a moment i shoe you | 23:47 |
| doc777 | Thank you, confused ;) | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | select userId,username from users where time-dateCreated < 24*60*60; | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | something like that | 23:48 |
| BartJol | and in an sql statement you can ask for at as a normal datestamp format | 23:48 |
| BartJol | 84600? | 23:48 |
| BartJol | 86400? | 23:48 |
| BartJol | last one | 23:49 |
| doc777 | testing that ;) | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: 24*60*60 | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 23:50 |
| perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip) | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: math 24*60*60 | 23:50 |
| perlbot | 86400 | 23:50 |
| doc777 | unknown column time in where.... | 23:50 |
| zylopfa | doc i am on it | 23:51 |
| zylopfa | SECOND | 23:51 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7408 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm: updating POD for Session/Url to talk about gateway URL | 23:52 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7409 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): continue link from message on login did not look at gateway url | 23:52 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7410 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): backporting auth continue link from HEAD | 23:52 |
| BartJol | UNIX_TIMESTAMP | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | select userId,username from users where unix_timestamp()-dateCreated < 86400; | 23:52 |
| zylopfa | select users.userId, users.username, users.status, users.dateCreated, users.lastUpdated from users | 23:53 |
| zylopfa | where (UNIX_TIMESTAMP(now())- users.dateCreated)< 86400 order by users.dateCreated | 23:53 |
| zylopfa | thats the way ^ | 23:53 |
| doc777 | Both work, thank you! That had me scratchin my head a bit there.... | 23:54 |
| zylopfa | ahah ok | 23:54 |
| miloidrr | Zylopfa, im here again | 23:54 |
| zylopfa | Awesome did you figure it out? | 23:54 |
| zylopfa | the glossary | 23:54 |
| miloidrr | I need to create a glossary to my site | 23:55 |
| zylopfa | yeah i can easy help you | 23:55 |
| miloidrr | I think that i can do it with a cs | 23:55 |
| BartJol | doc777, it depends what you want to show, but status and userId may not have to be selected, only the ones you use | 23:55 |
| zylopfa | cs is very good for it | 23:56 |
| BartJol | zylopha no offends meant | 23:56 |
| zylopfa | and it will be sorted for title whis is your word in the glossary | 23:56 |
| zylopfa | no offence taken BartJol | 23:56 |
| BartJol | :) | 23:56 |
| BartJol | yee, my english is slowing down again | 23:57 |
| doc777 | we added a "how did you find us" question when registering on the site and would like a report generated on it. So looks like we have to pull the new users then query the profile data to get that field. So it is a work in progress ;) | 23:57 |
| miloidrr | Tks zylopfa | 23:57 |
| zylopfa | no problem | 23:58 |
| miloidrr | Im goin to do in a cs | 23:58 |
| zylopfa | i can help you with the template, but I took the link list or faq one and modified it | 23:58 |
| miloidrr | Tks zylopfa | 23:58 |
| zylopfa | or rather copied it to my template directory for the site and edited it there :D | 23:58 |
| zylopfa | Any time | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | all right | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Who is flooding the bug board? | 00:07 |
| * Haarg raises hand | 00:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | He who floods, must fix! | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'll probably be fixing most of what i posted | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | i just don't want to forget | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | i have tons of other stuff floating around to take care of | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, the WUC put us all behind. | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but it was fun :) | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | wasn't just the wuc | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | even though Martin's laptop did take a beating | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | even before that i had large things scheduled for this week | 00:11 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, the Article with more languages in the content. we spoke of | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, zylopfa? | 00:13 |
| zylopfa | I am making it as a normal article but in the bottom of properties | 00:13 |
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| zylopfa | i make a field | 00:13 |
| zylopfa | Whats Next?: "Add a language" | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | and from there you can as as many as you want | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | like its done in the Survey asset | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | its with questions | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Cool | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | but i just make it with languages | 00:14 |
| BartJol | well if you can make "sister articles", you may even get nortification that you changed one but not the other | 00:15 |
| zylopfa | ahh yeah | 00:15 |
| zylopfa | 1 have to be the "main" language article | 00:16 |
| zylopfa | and under that is the translations to the languages | 00:16 |
| zylopfa | It will be fun to make it | 00:16 |
| BartJol | It would | 00:16 |
| BartJol | at would take some time to do it properly | 00:16 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 00:17 |
| zylopfa | it will have to be inherriting all from Article also | 00:17 |
| zylopfa | BartJol, are there any good ways to tell what language you are from? | 00:18 |
| zylopfa | As visitor user i mean | 00:18 |
| BartJol | like ip based you mean? | 00:18 |
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| zylopfa | But its not certain you are from that country | 00:18 |
| BartJol | no | 00:18 |
| zylopfa | maybe from the browsers header things | 00:19 |
| zylopfa | the useragent one | 00:19 |
| BartJol | that might be | 00:19 |
| zylopfa | but what the heck | 00:19 |
| zylopfa | they can select language on the site | 00:19 |
| BartJol | it should be optional, seems like a slowing feature | 00:19 |
| zylopfa | and then its saved in the session table | 00:19 |
| zylopfa | that should be the main way to keep track | 00:20 |
| zylopfa | to save it with user session stuff | 00:20 |
| zylopfa | when the user press the language button on the site | 00:20 |
| BartJol | you can do that with branches | 00:20 |
| BartJol | webgui language is a bit harder | 00:21 |
| zylopfa | yeah but i dont want it to branch | 00:21 |
| zylopfa | it shall be seamless | 00:21 |
| BartJol | I'm curious | 00:21 |
| zylopfa | thats why i make the articles content in more languages when you create the article | 00:21 |
| zylopfa | you can choose that yourself | 00:21 |
| zylopfa | "Add A new Language to this article" | 00:22 |
| zylopfa | and then you are displayed with a new form that look like the normal article | 00:22 |
| BartJol | well, maybe there already is a rfe for it | 00:22 |
| zylopfa | where you choose the language | 00:22 |
| zylopfa | BartJol, yeah there might be | 00:22 |
| zylopfa | It has to be site wide also, so all other assets will have to have it in | 00:23 |
| zylopfa | so it propablt not good to make it for Articles only | 00:23 |
| BartJol | nope | 00:23 |
| zylopfa | For wobjects then | 00:23 |
| zylopfa | but the assets still have to know the language stuff | 00:23 |
| BartJol | well, I can't estimate how much work would be involved | 00:24 |
| zylopfa | so much has to be made different | 00:24 |
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| zylopfa | Maybe its overkill to make | 00:24 |
| BartJol | also hard to couple wobject languages to session | 00:24 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 00:24 |
| BartJol | if you can make it, put it on the bazaar | 00:25 |
| zylopfa | Does other CMS systems have the feature? | 00:25 |
| BartJol | if it is pluggable | 00:25 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 00:25 |
| BartJol | dunno actually | 00:25 |
| zylopfa | The reason i choose webgui was that it was perl based | 00:25 |
| zylopfa | google: perl cms | 00:26 |
| zylopfa | then i took it from there | 00:26 |
| zylopfa | I hate the way many program in php | 00:26 |
| zylopfa | its always text and code mixed | 00:26 |
| zylopfa | and a million includes | 00:26 |
| zylopfa | atleast last time i read some php code | 00:26 |
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| BartJol | nigthy nigth | 00:32 |
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| Lisette | hello how to do a sql report with parameters? | 01:46 |
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| patspam | morning team | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, patspam | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Can I ask you a question about the template team? | 01:53 |
| patspam | shoot | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Why is the mailing list restricted? | 01:54 |
| patspam | i have no idea, in fact i only read the emails about it on the dev list 15 seconds ago | 01:54 |
| patspam | closed is never my preferred approach | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | bad connection, patspam? | 02:09 |
| patspam | heh, just messing with my pidgin settings | 02:11 |
| patspam | trying to get it to suppress the join messages | 02:11 |
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| patspam | perlDreamer: I've read through the board now, i agree, i think it should be open | 02:27 |
| patspam | i've said as much in the board | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | When I posted back to rogier's dev list post, I said the same thing. | 02:28 |
| @tavisto | patspam, the WUC photo galleries are ready for your images | 02:29 |
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| patspam | ah sweet | 02:29 |
| @tavisto | www.plainblack.com/wuc and then photos page | 02:29 |
| @tavisto | all of the old CS photo galleries have been converted to the new asset. yay | 02:29 |
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| patspam | nice work | 02:30 |
| patspam | can i / should i post to the "WUC 2008" gallery? or do i need to create my own? | 02:31 |
| @tavisto | post to the wuc 2008 | 02:31 |
| patspam | ah see now you're exposing my Gallery incompetence | 02:31 |
| patspam | where do i post? | 02:31 |
| @tavisto | yeah I'm glad that JT had time to convert all those from the old assets | 02:31 |
| @tavisto | the easiest way to do it is to throw your images into a zip file | 02:32 |
| patspam | and where's the upload box? maybe i don't have permissions? | 02:33 |
| @tavisto | well I just logged out and I'm wondering now if we're letting peeps upload them from the community.. let me check permissions | 02:34 |
| @rizen | wahoo! | 02:37 |
| @rizen | i just used the new status/tracking number feature in the shop | 02:37 |
| @rizen | most everything pb does is online, so we don't need to ship anything | 02:37 |
| @rizen | but someone bought a gooey with karma | 02:37 |
| @rizen | so i got to use that feature | 02:37 |
| patspam | Shop++ | 02:38 |
| @tavisto | rizen, did you just enter the # manually? | 02:38 |
| @rizen | yes | 02:39 |
| @rizen | how else would i have done it? | 02:39 |
| @tavisto | dunno.. I have no experience with that | 02:39 |
| @rizen | i suppose in the future we may have some shipping plugin integration | 02:40 |
| @rizen | that will generate tracking numbers right there | 02:40 |
| @rizen | but right now our only shipping plugin is webgui generic ...not specific to a shipper | 02:40 |
| @tavisto | coolio, then I suppose if customer views purchase history they can see that info as well | 02:40 |
| @rizen | i also see that the new transaction system is showing us that people are trying to purchase with stolen credit cards | 02:40 |
| @rizen | yup...they can | 02:41 |
| @tavisto | wow really.. nice heh | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | is that a feature, or a bug? ;) | 02:41 |
| @tavisto | I was just sitting here waiting around to try and edit the wuc galleries settings and it was taking forever... I just realized that I was using the edit album option accidentally.. lol | 02:42 |
| @rizen | yeah the gallery needs some serious performance tuning | 02:42 |
| @rizen | i've posted a bug about that | 02:43 |
| @tavisto | yeah it's slooooo | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Sorry, no more bugs | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | The bug list is full | 02:43 |
| @tavisto | but hey, I'm going to change the group to add files to registered users if that's okay.. so our attendees can upload pics to wuc 08 | 02:43 |
| @tavisto | unless you'd rather me setup a cs and have peeps upload their zips there | 02:44 |
| @rizen | isn't it already registered users? | 02:45 |
| @rizen | i thought i set that | 02:45 |
| @tavisto | nah admins.. comments is set to reg users tho | 02:45 |
| @tavisto | i can change it then | 02:45 |
| @tavisto | patspam, you should be good to go now.. zip and upload my brotha | 02:46 |
| @tavisto | click add a photo and then click on the zip archive button and you're set | 02:48 |
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| knowmad | Can one of the webgui.org site admins make rogier's post "The goal" a sticky post? | 03:29 |
| knowmad | I think it'd be worthwhile to keep that focus as discussions progress | 03:30 |
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| patspam | tavis: just running off to a meeting, will post em when i get back! | 03:34 |
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| @tavisto | no problem patspam, I just updated a bunch of the captions. I'm off to dinner.. ttyl | 03:45 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone thinking of using JSON as collateral, all I have to say is what can be blessed can be unblessed (KABLAM!!!!) <------special effects to help make point. | 04:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I guess before making that point, maybe I should check to see if people are already doing that and I'm just late to the game. | 04:01 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | So, is this brilliant or just obvious? Take a blessed object, unbless it, encode the resultant hash, store in DB. Grab the JSON from the DB, decode it, bless it as that object again. Magic or not? | 07:22 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Okay, I agree, lame. | 07:24 |
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| * patspam looks around for the "add a photo" button in the WUC Gallery | 08:01 | |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7411 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 08:23 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where Show Message on Login didn't work with anonymous | 08:23 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: registration for WebGUI auth. Added POD to the Auth createAccountSave | 08:23 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: method to detail that what it returns is important. | 08:23 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7412 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm): Make showMessageOnLogin sticky for the right setting. | 08:23 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7413 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting showMessageOnLogin bug fixes from HEAD | 08:23 |
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| elnino | good evening! how can I tell that my upgrade of wre was sucessful? | 08:57 |
| @Haarg | what version? | 08:58 |
| elnino | I went from 083 to 084 | 08:58 |
| @Haarg | well, there shouldn't be much to screw up. there ended up being a module missing for if you are going to use 7.5. | 08:59 |
| elnino | it basically said done. btw, the errata that jt sent out said to install Scalar::List::Utils, but my cpan didn't know what that was, so I installed Scalar::Util. is that ok? | 09:01 |
| elnino | I have 7.4.40 | 09:01 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 09:02 |
| elnino | I updated the http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/upgrade-wre-v0.8.x wiki with my observation of that package. | 09:03 |
| @Haarg | Scalar::List::Utils is what it is called somewhere, but it contains Scalar::Util and List::Util | 09:03 |
| @Haarg | so installing Scalar::Util will grab the right distro | 09:04 |
| elnino | that's what it looked like to me. | 09:04 |
| elnino | .. so there isn't a why to see what wre is currently running? | 09:04 |
| @Haarg | currently running? no really. | 09:04 |
| @Haarg | checking the changelog is the closest you'll get. | 09:05 |
| elnino | that's too bad. that would be handy. | 09:05 |
| elnino | well, that's upgraded when I extract it =) | 09:05 |
| @Haarg | well, the meaining of 'currently running' doesn't entirely work with the wre | 09:05 |
| @Haarg | since it's just a bunch of other components packaged together | 09:06 |
| elnino | oh. ok. would it be possible to see the version of each of those components? - just out of curiousity... =) | 09:08 |
| @Haarg | certainly would be possible | 09:11 |
| @Haarg | but i couldn't say exactly what it would be | 09:11 |
| elnino | ok. just looking for a warm fuzzy that all is well with wre and it's components. | 09:11 |
| elnino | different question... | 09:11 |
| @Haarg | /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -V | 09:11 |
| @Haarg | for example | 09:11 |
| elnino | sure.. | 09:12 |
| elnino | and, I think I answered my other question... =) Thanks for your help Graham | 09:12 |
| elnino | you dont' know anything about ssmpt by anychance do you? | 09:13 |
| @Haarg | smtp? | 09:14 |
| elnino | welll, yes, I mean smTP, but it's really SSmtp with two s's | 09:14 |
| elnino | it's a lightweight sendmail | 09:15 |
| @Haarg | nope | 09:15 |
| elnino | ok. thought I'd try. =) good night. | 09:15 |
| @Haarg | night | 09:16 |
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| BartJol | morning | 11:04 |
| patspam | evening Bart :) | 11:07 |
| BartJol | I hav enot sufficient right to look at your latest post... | 11:08 |
| BartJol | have you heard anyone about 7.5.22 | 11:09 |
| BartJol | I was hoping it would be out... | 11:09 |
| @Haarg | next week probably tuesday | 11:10 |
| BartJol | whoa, still awake? | 11:12 |
| BartJol | ok thanks | 11:12 |
| @Haarg | half awake at least | 11:12 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:49 |
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| wgGuest10 | HELLO | 16:48 |
| @bopbop | hello wgGUest10 | 16:54 |
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| wgGuest10 | how are you | 17:01 |
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| wgGuest10 | i was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm interested in webgui but I'm completely lost. I am a graphic designer, and design few webpages. I have a client that would like a members area and i have no clue on how to set that up | 17:03 |
| @bopbop | you can set up a group of users for the members, and assign that group on the security tab of any page you wish to be members only | 17:04 |
| wgGuest10 | is there a way to set up the page that when they register and pay their monthy fee they will automatically be added to the users? | 17:05 |
| @bopbop | yes, there is commerce available in WebGUI, and there is a subscription application | 17:05 |
| wgGuest10 | and is there something special i need to load to my server for webgui to work? | 17:06 |
| @bopbop | one of the developers would be better able to answer that- perhaps preaction would be willing to answer if he's around | 17:06 |
| @bopbop | you could also look here: http://www.webgui.org/download | 17:07 |
| wgGuest10 | ok, well i must say that you have given me more informaiton today that what i got yesterday. This thing is about to blow my brain up... | 17:07 |
| @bopbop | or post to the install/upgrade forum on webgui.org | 17:07 |
| @bopbop | check wiki.webgui.org as well | 17:08 |
| wgGuest10 | ok thanks | 17:08 |
| @bopbop | good luck | 17:08 |
| wgGuest10 | ok, one more dumb question, | 17:12 |
| wgGuest10 | do you have to have some special knowledge to download webgui onto your computer, or is there an online version? | 17:12 |
| @bopbop | well, it's not always easy to install, but I suggest you install it with WRE | 17:14 |
| @bopbop | that's the WebGUI Runtime Environment | 17:14 |
| @bopbop | once you get started, you can come back out here if you get stuck | 17:15 |
| @rizen | don't install webgui | 17:15 |
| @rizen | if this is your first time out use the demo server | 17:15 |
| @rizen | http://demo.webgui.org | 17:15 |
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| @rizen | play around with it | 17:15 |
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| @rizen | learn how to use it | 17:15 |
| @rizen | and after you come to see how awesome it is, then worry about installing it, or even better yet, find a hoster that fits your needs | 17:16 |
| wgGuest10 | will webgui work on existing sites? | 17:17 |
| @rizen | do you mean will it edit existing html pages? | 17:18 |
| @rizen | it's not an HTML editor like Dreamweaver if that's what you're asking | 17:18 |
| @rizen | it's an application server...designed to build out very dynamic and interactive sites | 17:18 |
| @rizen | not flat html pages | 17:18 |
| wgGuest10 | yeah i know that, i have the pages already designed, i am looking for a program that will allow me to have a members area | 17:18 |
| @rizen | webgui will do that | 17:19 |
| @rizen | as bopbop said | 17:19 |
| wgGuest10 | even if my server is not on location, the site is hosted by someone else | 17:19 |
| @rizen | the server has to be designed to support webgui | 17:19 |
| @rizen | you can't use a $2/mo hoster | 17:19 |
| wgGuest10 | ok, thanks for the info, | 17:20 |
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| @rizen | methinks he wanted to use a $2/mo hoster. =) | 17:20 |
| @tavisto | aye | 17:20 |
| @rizen | tavisto: i think that mccain gave a great speech last night | 17:21 |
| @rizen | it reminded me of the old mccain | 17:21 |
| @tavisto | the 2000 mccain eh? | 17:21 |
| @rizen | yeah | 17:21 |
| @rizen | i really liked the old mccain | 17:21 |
| @tavisto | I kinda thought he was a snake in the grass previously.. but he turned out to be okay | 17:22 |
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| @khenn | I still think he's a snake in the grass tbh | 17:29 |
| @khenn | s/he's/he's still/ | 17:30 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | By definition aren't all politicians snakes in the grass? | 18:28 |
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| BartJol | you have some that hide in the sand | 18:50 |
| BartJol | but nice weekend everyone | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | Morning, folks. | 18:59 |
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| perlmonkey21 | good morning perlDreamer | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey21: you've been promoted | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2+19 | 19:02 |
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| perlmonkey21 | +19? | 19:08 |
| perlmonkey21 | oh, ghosted | 19:08 |
| perlmonkey21 | brb | 19:08 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you see my IM's yesterday about blessing and unblessing objects in order to JSONify them? | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | No. | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Could you resend them, please? | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | if you need to JSON the structure of an object, you can just turn on allow_blessed | 19:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Oh they were on irc. Basicallyl like what I just said. Take an entire object, unbless it, remove any circular references, and it is ready to be serialized. Then when you need it again, deserialize and bless, add back circular references and you have the exact same obejct | 19:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I haven't had much luck getting that to work. | 19:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Probably just doing something wrong | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Session is a circular reference | 19:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, looks like you need a convert_blessed option enabled also | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | This is a function of JSON.pm? | 19:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but convert_blessed just looks for a to_json method in the target objec.t | 19:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 19:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So you still have to return a non-blessed reference somehow | 19:14 |
| @Haarg | what kind of object is this? | 19:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: these are Survey objects. No connection to WG. | 19:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | actually just a single survey object that contains all the member objects to handle all the data manipulation. | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | you probably wouldn't want to unbless it | 19:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But after each post, it can be grabbed from the DB, deserialized, blessed, used as needed, unblessed, serialized and stored back in teh DB. | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | but copying everything into a new hashref might be fine | 19:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: what's wrong with unblessing it? Seems to just return the original hashref | 19:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and it is a super lazy solution, which I like | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | well, anything expecting to use it as an object after doing that will break | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | bless and unblessing hashrefs has serious speed penalties on CentOs, Redhat and Fedora | 19:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: okay, I'll just create a copy of the data and return it. So much for being lazy. | 19:20 |
| @Haarg | not much difference really | 19:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I would only unbless it right before serializing and returning | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | yeah, but what if something else had a ref to it? | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it would work fine on the WRE, just not in a native distribution perl | 19:21 |
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| @Haarg | to_json({ %{$self} }) | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | seems simpler than unbless really | 19:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: that works? casting a blessed ref to a hash? | 19:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that is too cool | 19:22 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, it works just like any other hashref | 19:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I don't have any real experience with Perl OO besides Moose | 19:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | all I ever used | 19:22 |
| @Haarg | only reason json handles it differently is because treating an object like a hash as a general rule isn't a very good idea | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | but you have full control of your object | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, at some point we need to check out each other's JSON collateral methods and build WebGUI::JSONCollateral from both of them. | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | well, it isn't too hard to add json stuff to update/get | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | like jt did for the bazaar | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't read the Bazaar code yet. | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | but it gets less friendly when you have collateral tables | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. | 19:27 |
| @Haarg | i've only looked at get/update in the bazaaritem asset | 19:27 |
| @Haarg | really we should be moving to using some kind of object mapping for collateral tables | 19:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: What does that mean? | 19:29 |
| @Haarg | like dataform as an example, should have a DataForm::Entry class for interacting with the entries | 19:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Oh right | 19:30 |
| @Haarg | instead of just having a bunch of methods on the dataform class | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Wouldn't having an external class do that? Like WebGUI::Keywords? | 19:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've created Survey::* for my objects, but so far they aren't in charge of put/get'ing themselves from teh DB. | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | i'm speaking more of a specific class for dataform things | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | it might make sense to have it subclass some kind of general collateral class though | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I was thinking | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | something that can be used to reorder, serialize, deserialize and the like | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | then the client classes just wrap and handle the db access | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | bleh | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | No good? | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | i really want to decouple our class structure from strictly Parent::Child | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I said "client" | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be a pseudo-mixin, like keywords | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | that wasn't really in relation to what you said, just a related thought | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, sorry | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | it could be done, but would involve a number of changes and may lead to performance problems | 19:40 |
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| juan | i have created a site in WebGUI 7.4.40 and then i upgraded to the latest version 7.5.21, then i go to the asset manager from that site and it doesn't show me anything | 20:09 |
| juan | another sites that i have in the same server are working excellent | 20:10 |
| juan | What is the problem? | 20:10 |
| @preaction | juan, check the error logs? | 20:14 |
| juan | the error logs not show me errors | 20:16 |
| juan | i am checking | 20:16 |
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| juan | really doesn't show errors | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | try clearing the cache | 20:32 |
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| zylopfa | juan, | 20:56 |
| zylopfa | I got the exact same problem as you | 20:56 |
| zylopfa | also i got problems with the data forms already created at the sites | 20:56 |
| zylopfa | I think i deleted the site and recreated it in the new webgui version | 20:57 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7414 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: | 20:59 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Added a new method getLineageSql() which is called the same was that getLineage | 20:59 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: is called but returns the SQL that is generated by the getLineage call rather | 20:59 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: than and arrayRef of assetIds or instantiated assets. This method is now called | 20:59 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: by getLineage. | 20:59 |
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| @Haarg | i'm going to add an iterator version of getLineage | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | this is what i have at this point: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m17866912 | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | any thoughts? | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | ! @{ $assetList } | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i know the style isn't perfect | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | needs some docs as well | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Did you want a lazy iterator? | 23:28 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:28 |
| @Haarg | the idea is the convenience of returnObjects without the huge memory bloat if you are working on a large section of the site | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7eea6897 | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Instead of building the list and accessing one element at a time | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i was thinking of that | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you just give the iterator access to a statement handle | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and call it as many times as needed | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | wasn't sure if i wanted to keep a db statement open for that long | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | probably better to go that route though | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | that stuff can be tweaked though | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | i'd be more interested if you see problems with the api | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | No, as long as it never needs external placeholders, it's fine | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I did build a mini paginator into getIsa recently though | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | so that you could read a chunk, remember where you were, then read where you left off | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | It's part of the new product stock monitoring workflow | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in my experimental branch, if you're curious | 23:33 |
| @Haarg | also ty khenn for splitting out getLineageSql | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, khenn++ | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a great idea | 23:34 |
| @khenn | it was preactions idea to split them out | 23:34 |
| @khenn | I'll give credit where credit is due = | 23:34 |
| @khenn | =) | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, but who did the hard work of coding and testing it? | 23:35 |
| @khenn | it was my idea to return the SQL | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | oh wait a sec, there's no tests! | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | ;) | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | i was planning on doing that at some point so i could do the interator thing | 23:35 |
| @preaction | but now there can be, no? | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | but now i don't have to :) | 23:35 |
| @khenn | you can write the tests! | 23:36 |
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| @Haarg | one down side to having private branches is you can get too many of them | 23:40 |
| @Haarg | i have 13 right now | 23:40 |
| @preaction | .... wow | 23:41 |
| * perlDreamer recommends a good pruner | 23:41 | |
| @Haarg | well, hopefully i'll be killing a couple of those off soon | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll get an alibi for you | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | "No sir, your honor. He was on IRC the whole time." | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | "It's not possible, Friday night is the night he pushes our new releases. There wouldn't have been any time for him to kill branches." | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | that's annoying. pastebin treats @@ at the beginning of a line as special and filters it out | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisp sucks | 23:56 |
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| Lisette | how to do a sql report with parameters | 23:59 |
| Lisette | ? | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/sqlreport | 00:00 |
| Lisette | thanks | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | is there an easy way to package multiple templates at the same time? | 00:03 |
| @preaction | besides putting them in a folder? | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. Assume that they're scattered throughout the system | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Like updating the Layout templates to remove the paragraph tags around the description | 00:04 |
| @preaction | not that i know of | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I feel another utility script coming on | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | templateFiler is a good start | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but now that updates happen as packages, it's only good for local hackery. | 00:05 |
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| @khenn | So YUI Datatables are fun | 00:33 |
| @khenn | I got a YUI DataTable loading, paginating, and sorting inside a dynamically loading tabform | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Is that for the new bug tracker? | 00:33 |
| @khenn | yeah | 00:33 |
| @khenn | i'd snap a screenshot but I can't figure out where they are going on my mac | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | usually to the desktop | 00:36 |
| @khenn | yeah they aren't | 00:36 |
| @khenn | shift-ctrl-apple-3 right? | 00:36 |
| @preaction | shift+apple+3, no ctrl | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | ctrl puts it in the clipboard | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | cool, apparently one of the updates to iTerm fixed xterm mouse scrolling | 00:44 |
| @khenn | http://www.plainblack.com/help_desk_photo1 | 00:47 |
| @khenn | I have it functional now | 00:47 |
| @khenn | going to spend the weekend adding features | 00:47 |
| @khenn | and writing a migration script for the collab systems | 00:47 |
| @khenn | and watching football | 00:47 |
| @khenn | =) | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Hopefully not in that order. | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | You have to have priorities, you know | 00:48 |
| @khenn | and yeah I know I still have to format dates and users and stuff | 00:48 |
| @khenn | I'm going to do all of them at the same time | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | What's with the spam on the dev list? | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | One guy wants to get paid to make a plugin for HTML::Template::Compiled | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | now there's perl certified hosting? | 01:07 |
| @khenn | I don't see the one for the one who wants to make HTML::Template::Compiled | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/htmltemplatecompiled#AaE0yf7cAad4Qkqz_H9yTA | 01:10 |
| @khenn | yeah I don't even understand that | 01:12 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7415 /WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: improve message from testEnvironment.pl when you have the latest version | 01:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7416 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content doesn't decode alternate character sets | 01:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7417 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added: getLineageIterator method to simplify working on large sets of assets | 01:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: improve message from testEnvironment.pl when you have the latest version | 01:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7419 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content doesn't decode alternate character sets | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | nice tests, Haarg! | 01:49 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7420 /WebGUI/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Remove paragraph tags around descriptions in Layout templates. | 02:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy hightekvagabond | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | how was the frog flinging? | 02:32 |
| hightekvagabond | Good, I go back tomorrow | 02:34 |
| hightekvagabond | I work that booth all season, every weekend until October | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds fun | 02:35 |
| hightekvagabond | The best thing is I can treat pretty women in ways that I'd get a sexual harrassment suite for anywhere else ;) | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Just be careful, there's lots of room in those gowns for sharp objects | 02:36 |
| hightekvagabond | they all have to be saftey bonded | 02:36 |
| hightekvagabond | besides, I'm good at keeping an eyes out for such things, much experiance there ;) | 02:37 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7421 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): backport Layout template changes | 02:52 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7422 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/Setup.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): more Content/Setup i18n | 02:52 |
| hightekvagabond | how was the WUC? | 03:07 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7423 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: add more legal characters into the safe i18n key regexp | 05:11 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7424 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/Setup.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): finish Content/Setup i18n, and use 2 i18n objects so that it can be automatically tested | 05:11 |
| topsub | Which nav element is best for main site navi? I need drop menus | 05:43 |
| topsub | pending there is one built in | 05:43 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7425 /translations/Spanish/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 06:48 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7426 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (381 files in 97 dirs): | 07:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: merged r6807:7413 from trunk | 07:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: also moved custom sql out of create.sql into enable_flux.pl script | 07:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7427 /branch/WebGUI_flux/enable_flux.pl: Added script for enabling flux on new sites, e.g. for modifying db schema to support Flux | 07:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7428 /branch/WebGUI_flux/README.txt: WebGUI_flux: added a README for people who want to play with the Flux branch | 07:46 |
| patspam | question for my small WebGUI::Inbox::Message API addition.. if JT says "you are approved to add it to the core" does that mean check it in to trunk or 7.5 branch? | 08:03 |
| patspam | I'll start with trunk.. | 08:05 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7429 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Patch to allow overriding of email message & subject for inbox messages (see http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/overriding-inbox-emails/3) | 08:17 |
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| SynQ | Hi there :) | 15:56 |
| SynQ | and I'm off to visit some famility | 16:25 |
| SynQ | bbl | 16:25 |
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| wgGuest62 | Hi | 17:17 |
| wgGuest62 | Any news about WRE 0.8.5? | 17:17 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7430 /WebGUI/t/Macro/RootTitle.t: | 00:43 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Fixed a test that should have been failing for a long time. | 00:43 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: getLineage != get('lineage')? | 00:43 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7431 /WebGUI/ (t/i18n/template.t lib/WebGUI/International.pm): | 00:43 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Remove single quote from the list of allowable characters. | 00:43 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Remove single quotes from parsed International macros in the template tester. | 00:43 |
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| elnino | wow. small crowd tonight. | 04:13 |
| elnino | I have a question about sendmail, but I don't know the proper terms to look it up in the "documentation" wondering if someone can at least point me to the right direction. | 04:15 |
| @preaction | just ask | 04:16 |
| elnino | I have a VPS, hopefully 3 sites will eventually be hosted on it. I have the smtp server hosted at google. | 04:16 |
| elnino | right now I have ssmtp installed. which I thought was a good alternative to sendmail | 04:17 |
| elnino | it was easy to install and simple to configure. | 04:17 |
| elnino | it works, but the emails sent from the sites are sent from "gmail" as opposed to the actual domain | 04:17 |
| elnino | so I need to setup sendmail to send mail thru google's smtp server | 04:18 |
| elnino | and maintain the domain from which the email originated from. | 04:18 |
| elnino | what is this called, and from what I gather | 04:18 |
| @preaction | look in the sendmail docs for "smart relay" | 04:18 |
| elnino | I need to have a secure socket for sending mail out to and from google. | 04:18 |
| elnino | and will sendmail be able to handle more than one domain? | 04:19 |
| @preaction | yes | 04:19 |
| elnino | and I thought sendmail didn't have support for TLS - whatver that is. google requires it. | 04:19 |
| @preaction | it probably does | 04:20 |
| @preaction | sendmail can do just about anything | 04:20 |
| elnino | how does exim rate? | 04:20 |
| elnino | I'm on a debian server, and apparently that is what they usually have installed by default. | 04:21 |
| elnino | is "smart relay" = "smart host"? | 04:21 |
| @preaction | smart host sound right, yes | 04:21 |
| @preaction | i've never used exim, just sendmail and postfix | 04:22 |
| elnino | http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison -- they need a matrix like cmsmatrix. =) | 04:24 |
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| elnino_laptop | did I miss anything since my last comment. I need to buy a network cable!! | 04:27 |
| @preaction | nope | 04:27 |
| elnino_laptop | oh.. I was going to ask, wre dosn't include a MTA already, does it? | 04:28 |
| @preaction | no | 04:28 |
| patspam | elnino: I'm doing the same thing, smart host on a VPS sending via gmail | 04:34 |
| patspam | I set it up the other day using exim | 04:34 |
| patspam | rough notes here: http://paddypedia.patspam.com/index.php?title=Exim | 04:34 |
| elnino_laptop | you are!?!?! you've beened added to my friend list!! | 04:34 |
| patspam | heh, surely i was already on it after the wuc! ;) | 04:35 |
| elnino_laptop | yes.. of course! | 04:35 |
| patspam | i'm just using it on a dev box atm, but i had the same motivation, just wanted something that works without having to run a fully fledged mail server locally | 04:36 |
| patspam | i'm off (father's day brunch), let me know if you run into anything that should be added to the notes | 04:37 |
| elnino_laptop | so, what commandline do you use to test exim? does it install mail or mailx? Thank you so much! | 04:37 |
| elnino_laptop | Happy Fathers Day! | 04:38 |
| patspam | heh, not for me, for my dad ;) | 04:38 |
| patspam | my server is Ubuntu-based so i think i installed mailx to get a "mail" command for testing | 04:38 |
| patspam | but i also just tested by telnetting into port 25 | 04:38 |
| elnino_laptop | ok good enough for me to go on... have a good bunch! | 04:39 |
| patspam | and then just pointed WebGUI at it and generated some emails | 04:39 |
| patspam | if the notes work for you i might add them to the webgui wiki | 04:40 |
| patspam | anyway, ttyl :) | 04:40 |
| elnino_laptop | bye | 04:40 |
| hightekvagabond | didn't fathersday happen a few months ago? | 04:40 |
| @preaction | in the US mayb | 04:41 |
| hightekvagabond | you guys have a different father's day then us? | 04:41 |
| hightekvagabond | learn something new every day | 04:42 |
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| elnino_laptop | http://www.fathersdaycelebration.com/fathers-day-date.html - interesting. | 04:55 |
| hightekvagabond | that IS interesting | 04:58 |
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| wgGuest89 | Hello | 15:18 |
| wgGuest89 | Any news about WRE 0.8.5? | 15:18 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7432 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: Fixed a bug in getLineageSql which was returning an empty array ref in certain cases. | 19:51 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7433 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: check for valid data, not just its existance in the Instance parameters | 01:33 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7434 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/ (12 files in 2 dirs): porting over getTTL method to private branch | 01:33 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7435 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: porting over Message deleting fix | 02:07 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7436 /branch/colin-experimental/t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t: change workflow to realtime, move inbox to top to help deal with test failures more gracefully | 02:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7437 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 02:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: RFE: Add workflow that checks all products to see if they are close | 02:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: to a user configured level, and email a group to let them know that | 02:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: they are close to being out of stock. | 02:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7438 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: check for valid data before decoding from JSON, undef still exists | 02:41 |
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| doc777 | Can anyone tell me where the text "labels" for forms are stored. Like on the create account page? ;-) | 07:03 |
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| Lisette | hello i try do a sql report with parameters from a form, with post, but the sql don't read this, how to do? | 16:31 |
| BartJol | from a dataform you mean? | 16:32 |
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| BartJol | hee patspam, is it already morning for you? | 16:32 |
| Lisette | not | 16:33 |
| Lisette | an article with a html | 16:33 |
| patspam | heh no, just heading off to bed | 16:33 |
| patspam | about midnight here | 16:33 |
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| BartJol | ah, goodnight then | 16:33 |
| BartJol | Lisette, what kind of info are you trying to get from the article: | 16:34 |
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| BartJol | you can only get what's in the Article, asset and assetData tables | 16:35 |
| Lisette | i have a sql report | 16:36 |
| Lisette | but in the sql report in the placeholder parameters i have this | 16:37 |
| Lisette | form: fecha1 | 16:37 |
| Lisette | form: fecha2 | 16:37 |
| Lisette | and in the article the next | 16:37 |
| Lisette | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6253eb64 | 16:37 |
| BartJol | I think in this way these will not get into the database when a user selects a date | 16:41 |
| Lisette | how to do this? | 16:41 |
| BartJol | but more "function parameters" | 16:41 |
| Lisette | what? | 16:42 |
| BartJol | well if you've got a calendar with events, this becomes easier | 16:42 |
| BartJol | I expect that the dates are real events that should be stores somewhere? | 16:43 |
| BartJol | be back in 10 | 16:43 |
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| BartJol | Lisette: I'm back | 16:52 |
| BartJol | so what do you actually want to do with the entered form values? | 16:54 |
| Lisette | yes | 16:55 |
| BartJol | Lisette: yes to what question exactly? | 16:56 |
| BartJol | I need more information | 16:56 |
| Lisette | i want that the user enter the dates | 16:56 |
| BartJol | what should happen with the dates? | 16:59 |
| BartJol | are they begin and end dates of an event? | 17:00 |
| Lisette | the query is the next: | 17:00 |
| Lisette | select count(*) | 17:00 |
| Lisette | from asset | 17:00 |
| Lisette | where parentId = 'KgRk_sXKU-X8tiTVSCii6w' | 17:00 |
| Lisette | and className = 'WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread' | 17:00 |
| Lisette | and creationDate between unix_timestamp('?') and unix_timestamp('?') | 17:00 |
| BartJol | where fecha1 and 2 are the entries for the ?'s ? | 17:02 |
| Lisette | yes | 17:02 |
| BartJol | and you calculate the fecha's back to epoch somewhere? | 17:03 |
| BartJol | epoch=unix_timestamp | 17:03 |
| Lisette | yes | 17:03 |
| BartJol | I don't see that in your form | 17:03 |
| BartJol | so as I see it now, fecha1 and 2 are still human formatted dates | 17:04 |
| Lisette | in the name of input | 17:04 |
| Lisette | yes this it | 17:04 |
| BartJol | you should search your mysql documentation to look how you search with a normal date input as a search field | 17:13 |
| Lisette | already | 17:14 |
| Lisette | and i have that this way | 17:16 |
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| SynQ2 | hi there | 17:19 |
| @bopbop | hi | 17:20 |
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| SynQ2 | the dutch primer has been uploaded to the bazaar | 17:27 |
| @bopbop | great- thanks for doing that | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:30 |
| Lisette | BartJol: do you know? | 17:37 |
| BartJol | Lisette: I might, but I don't really understand what you have done and what not and in what order things are executed | 17:38 |
| BartJol | you wanna search for entries in a CS that are submitted between two user chosen dates, right? | 17:39 |
| Lisette | i want count a thread of CS between a dates specified by the user | 17:39 |
| BartJol | sorry I forgot it was a count | 17:39 |
| BartJol | ok | 17:39 |
| BartJol | so you have a form where a user can enter the dates | 17:40 |
| BartJol | these are submitted as form variables | 17:40 |
| BartJol | and with these variables you want to perform a search in the db for the count of threads | 17:41 |
| BartJol | is that it? | 17:41 |
| Lisette | yes | 17:45 |
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| BartJol | I think it's easier to do with a custom macro | 17:48 |
| BartJol | you can extract the form variables in the macro and do the sql query in the macro and return the value | 17:49 |
| Lisette | ok, thanks | 17:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Death to all inline JS. | 17:52 |
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| @tavisto | oh I thought you and JS were buddies | 17:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | tavisto: but three is a crowd. It's either me an Perl or me and JS. I can't handle both together. | 17:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm just not that kind of dude. | 17:57 |
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| BartJol | hee Martin! | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | bart! | 18:36 |
| BartJol | how goes it? | 18:36 |
| @tavisto | Dutch team! | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | Tavis! | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | it goes good | 18:37 |
| @tavisto | hello | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | how make you it? | 18:37 |
| @tavisto | uh... I make it good | 18:37 |
| BartJol | he, it's the metrosexual guy :) | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | I make it with perl | 18:37 |
| BartJol | sorry Tavis... | 18:38 |
| @tavisto | no.. it's the OQAPI guy | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | I know he is | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | OQAPI! | 18:38 |
| BartJol | nice sweater indeed... | 18:38 |
| @tavisto | hehe.. the other night everyone was asking me about my hoodie... I told them all about it | 18:38 |
| @tavisto | they were arguing about if the animal was real or not... hehe | 18:38 |
| BartJol | well it isn't blue | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is in Switzerland | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | they have purple cows there as well | 18:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | www.milka.nl | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | er | 18:40 |
| @tavisto | heh nice... | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | www.milka.ch | 18:40 |
| BartJol | I don't see blue oqapi's... | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | www.oqapi.nl | 18:41 |
| BartJol | :W | 18:41 |
| BartJol | :) | 18:41 |
| @tavisto | well we have trees in the middle of bars here | 18:41 |
| SynQ2 | tavisto my main man :) | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | true | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | Cone! | 18:41 |
| @tavisto | ey Cone! | 18:41 |
| @tavisto | Do you miss your Caddy? | 18:41 |
| SynQ2 | Volkswagen Caddy ;) | 18:42 |
| SynQ2 | I decided I like my beamer better | 18:42 |
| @tavisto | Koen I'm not surprised.. probably more sporty | 18:42 |
| SynQ2 | and more relaxed too | 18:42 |
| @tavisto | I told you it was a fun car though... and meant for old peeps | 18:42 |
| SynQ2 | here I have a Tessa to drive it | 18:42 |
| BartJol | but my ugly pt cruiser performed better than my opel astra | 18:43 |
| SynQ2 | went to Lionel Richie yesterday | 18:43 |
| @tavisto | haha... Bart is going to buy a PT Cruiser | 18:43 |
| BartJol | but the automatic gearbox was a downer | 18:43 |
| BartJol | nope | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean it actually drives | 18:43 |
| BartJol | :)\ | 18:43 |
| BartJol | it already drives, I repaired it thursday | 18:43 |
| @tavisto | wow Lionel is the man | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | btw: everybody knows that cars without an automatic gearbox are broken | 18:43 |
| SynQ2 | meant for old peeps :) | 18:44 |
| BartJol | like Joeri's that wil be towed to the car-graveyard | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | no, that car is not broken because it is an automatic | 18:49 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's broken because it is | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | a pile of crap | 18:50 |
| @tavisto | what is it? | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | and now he has a broken car | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | which drives | 18:50 |
| BartJol | a volvo? | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but is a stick shift | 18:50 |
| SynQ2 | and the worst pile of crap out there | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | Peugeot I think | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | Karin's car | 18:50 |
| BartJol | that one is a peogeot yes | 18:51 |
| BartJol | ehhh | 18:51 |
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| BartJol | well, going for dinner | 18:58 |
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| SynQ2 | me 2 | 18:58 |
| SynQ2 | later | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 18:58 |
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| @tavisto | MrHairgrease, are you all recovered from jet lag? | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | guess so | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I never have much of a jet lag anyway | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | only the day of arrival | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | the next I might be yawning a bit more than usual | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'll be fully functional, zo to say | 19:02 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | bah, the high today will only be about 26C. That is unacceptable for September. | 19:16 |
| * perlmonkey2 goes to create more CO2 and while he's at it get more caffeine from the quickshop | 19:16 | |
| +perlDreamer | Your preference for the Halfling's bean has dulled your senses, perlmonkey2 | 19:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | In a warmer world, coffee will have a longer growing season. What else needs to be said? | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is there a kind soul out in the WebGUI verse who would be willing to run a test for me? | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't duplicate last night's smoke test failures | 19:34 |
| @preaction | k | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t | 19:35 |
| @preaction | All tests successful. | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Hm | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, could a safe,sanitized copy of the nightly smoke test config files be made available? | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | probably | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | thank you :) | 19:40 |
| @Haarg | i'll check into it. i haven't looked at how the smoke tests are being done. | 19:40 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | In the bug about the gotchas not containing a warning that you must upgrade to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.5, where should that go? in the 7.5.0 entry? | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so. | 19:56 |
| @preaction | yes | 19:56 |
| topsub | It seems when you have an Event threw the EventManagementSystem and if you do a direct link to buy it, it will allow you to buy it. Would this be a bug? | 20:07 |
| topsub | even if its sold out | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a bug | 20:08 |
| topsub | k i will post it | 20:09 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7439 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Added gotcha about upgrading to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.5 | 20:18 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7440 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Macros.pm: display multiple aliases for macros in the Help | 20:18 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | This 0 not showing up on an integer dataform submission has kicked my butt. No idea why it isn't showing up | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | It's already fixed | 22:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: the ticket is still open and no one else has commented on it? | 22:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm at head and I still see teh bug | 22:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The problem isn't that the zero isn't being recorded. But that the template is not showing a zero. getValueAsHtml seems to be the problem, but Im' not sure how. | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7399 | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I only fixed 1/2 of it | 22:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: That was 41 revs ago and I still see it | 22:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It shows up in the list all entires | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but not on the acknowledgement | 22:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right | 22:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | getOriginalValue seems to be failing to grab it for some reason | 22:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | which is ->get('value') | 22:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | help! my brain is melting | 22:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | the template looks okay | 22:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Now it looks like $self->{_params} isn't being set | 22:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm dumping it on submits and if its '1' I see an int set to 1. If it is 0, I see value = '' | 22:22 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, to be quite honest, i think your best bet will be to write a test for this, and then use the perl debugger to step through and see where 0 changes to ''. perhaps this is a problem with the Integer form control? | 22:23 |
| topsub | Has anyone ever thought about integrating a "slider" as a form control? Make it so you can set the min and max numbers. And a user can drag between the max and min.. | 22:26 |
| @preaction | topsub, the IntSlider maybe? | 22:29 |
| topsub | ah, i never looked for one just thought about if it would be useful. | 22:29 |
| @preaction | i don't think webgui uses it as much as it could | 22:31 |
| topsub | I was thinking about doing a "money" one that auto does 2 dec places, but wasn't sure how much it would be used | 22:37 |
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| * perlmonkey2 stabs himself in the eye | 22:41 | |
| BartJol | Shall I poke you in the other? | 22:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | A brick to the head would be more humane. | 22:46 |
| BartJol | Yesterday I almost cut my finger off | 22:47 |
| nuba | i crashed my car last week | 22:47 |
| @preaction | A m??se bit my sister ?nce | 22:48 |
| BartJol | what's with your o's | 22:48 |
| * MrHairgrease had his shiny metal ass bitten | 22:48 | |
| nuba | guess his keyboard was bitten too | 22:48 |
| BartJol | but nerds are very agile people I see, when it comes to dealing with computers | 22:49 |
| @preaction | BartJol, http://www.smouse.force9.co.uk/monty.htm <- opening credits of Monty Python and the Holy Grail | 22:49 |
| BartJol | ah :) | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | m/o/ose | 22:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | A hair product bit your sister? | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAsYwW7pt7o | 22:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: I'd imagine cutting off a finger would be quite tragic for a programmer. I hope you don't attempt to cut off your finger again. | 22:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you cut one | 22:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess you should cut the other four as well | 22:56 |
| BartJol | almot a horror movie: the one handed programmer | 22:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Let's not do things by half measures, if you do one hand, you might as well do the other. | 22:57 |
| BartJol | it was jsut an accident | 22:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Feeding a moose and it almost bit off a finger? | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | was it while shaving | 22:57 |
| BartJol | but now I've got an excuse for my louzy typing | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | or while testing you machtte | 22:58 |
| BartJol | MrHairgrease: yes | 22:58 |
| BartJol | the first | 22:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Do you shave with a machete? | 22:58 |
| BartJol | a small one | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | bart is actually dundee | 22:58 |
| BartJol | but a bit more clumsy | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | actually called* dundee | 22:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | He's Australian? | 22:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Or just Austrian? | 22:59 |
| BartJol | No, I only talk just as incromprehensive | 22:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the end everybody speaks garbled crap | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's why we get along so well i guess | 23:01 |
| BartJol | but with two fingers in bandage, I did manage to fix my flat tire | 23:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I say live wild, shave with a machete, as bionic fingers are cooler anyways. | 23:05 |
| BartJol | yeah, but everybody will think that I'm a star wars fan | 23:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: At least all doubts to your paternity will be erased. | 23:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I mean, who wouldn't want Darth as their father? | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: bad logic inside there | 23:09 |
| BartJol | my father doesn't have those, so I suspect I'll be darth vader once | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | inside getRecordTemplateVars | 23:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | use the mass times acceleration bart | 23:10 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm looking there now. But it is all bavarian to me. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | When it's bavarian, it's time to drink beer. | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm really glad things stopped looking greek, because I hate ouzo | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | TO THE ESSEN HAUS! | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Essen Haus++, but only if the band isn't playing | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 23:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: so $form->getValueAsHtml must be the problem child? | 23:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, maybe. | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | getValueAsHtml is seeded with a value | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be from there, too | 23:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | All of Form seems incredibly complex. | 23:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Why does getValueAsHtml pass long @_ to getOriginalValue which never grabs more than self. Strang.e | 23:21 |
| @preaction | because of the potential for future enhancement | 23:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Maybe some subclasses use it? | 23:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I might just be too retarded to grok Form. Always a possibility. | 23:22 |
| @preaction | they shouldn't. subclasses should maintain the same method signatures | 23:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: getValueAsHtml just returns us to ->get('value'); | 23:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Maybe that call should be ->getValue? | 23:24 |
| @preaction | i'm still saying that you'd be best served by writing a test and using the debugger to step through things | 23:24 |
| @preaction | no, getValueAsHtml should always getOriginalValue | 23:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I looked at writing a test and have no real clue where to start. This thing is *huge* | 23:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | And I've rewritten lots of Form/ and added a few t/Form/*'s | 23:25 |
| @preaction | make one for t/Form/Integer that tries to do what it's failing to do correctly | 23:26 |
| @preaction | getValue i assume? | 23:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | No that works correctly. Maybe get('value') is wrong. Don't knwo | 23:27 |
| @preaction | getValueAsHtml then maybe? | 23:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That works too | 23:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm not so sure it is in Form/ as it is in DataForm || FormValidator | 23:30 |
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| topsub | I am having trouble finding the form that gets displayed after you click "buy" on an event. Any suggestions | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, I'd recommend looking in Asset/Sku/EMS*.pm | 23:39 |
| topsub | perlDreamer, think i am refering to the one before them | 23:41 |
| topsub | one wher eyou can populate from address book | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Shop/AddressBook.pm ? | 23:42 |
| topsub | the buy link is just a link to the asset | 23:44 |
| topsub | so it seems its some flag or something | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | weird | 23:44 |
| SynQ | Is JT ill? | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't know | 23:48 |
| SynQ | he hasn't been posting to the WebGUI discussions | 23:49 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:49 |
| SynQ | he is? | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, I have it | 23:49 |
| SynQ | I'll have to send him a fruitbasket then | 23:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: oh for the love of all that is right in the world, please tell me! | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | It's evil | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's start at the top | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | getRecordTemplateVariables | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | This is a new entry, so no entryId | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and $entry is undefined | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | skip down to 652 | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Entry is undefined, so it does not pull data from the entryData hashref | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | with me so far? | 23:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 23:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | never occurred to me it would be that broken | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ignoreForm = 1, so the elsif below that is not executed | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's no fallback | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so $value is undefined | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | when $value is undefined in the Form call, it falls back to defaultValue, which iss '' | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | (empty string) | 23:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that would imply that the submitted value doesn't matter | 23:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but it does. Any non-zero int is displayed | 23:53 |
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| juan | i have several posts in a CS | 23:54 |
| juan | i want to refresh the rating to 0 for all the posts | 23:54 |
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| juan | using mysql i put in 0 all of them but i have some strange | 23:55 |
| juan | i have a specific post when someone goes to rate it takes the original value that it has | 23:55 |
| juan | for example it had 34 in rating | 23:56 |
| juan | i put it in 0 | 23:56 |
| juan | if i go to rate again appears in 34 again | 23:56 |
| juan | what is the problem? | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | juan, if you cleared it in the db, then it might be cached | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | have you cleared the cache? | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | juan | 23:57 |
| juan | yes | 23:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you clear Post.rating as well as Thread.threadRating? | 23:57 |
| juan | I cleared the cache | 23:57 |
| juan | i only cleared Post rating | 23:58 |
| juan | i am going to check thread | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, my bad. | 23:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | check threadRating for your magic 34 | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | ignoreForm = 0, for !ignoreForm = 1 | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but the form processed data is 0, which is false | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | needs a defined check in there, or a non-empty string check, or something | 23:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | defined should work | 23:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | woot | 23:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | w/o/ot | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | wo2t | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Tue Sep 09 2008 | ||
| @perlmonkey2 | done | 00:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Thanks perlDreamer. I can now remove this fork from the back of my hand that I was using to help ignore the pain from this bug :) | 00:01 |
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| juan | MrHairgrease, i change the value in this both tables, cleared the cache but the problem continues, the post continues with the same rating value | 00:15 |
| juan | i have changed both values to 0 in both tables Post.rating, Thread.threadRating but someonesi logged to rate the post takes its original value | 00:23 |
| juan | i cleared cache, restarted the web server but the problem continues | 00:25 |
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| juan | i made a copy from that CS, could be it the problem? | 00:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7441 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Form/Integer now shows 0 in post submission page (Thanks perlDreamer) | 00:27 |
| juan | help me | 00:40 |
| BartJol | also cleared your browser cache? | 00:42 |
| juan | yes | 00:43 |
| metanil | how do i know a new group has been created?? (any hook available??) | 00:44 |
| juan | but i have 3 tables with rating Post.rating, Thread.threadRating and Post_rating.rating | 00:44 |
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| juan | in the 3 tables i delete the respective records | 00:44 |
| juan | but when someone goes to rate again the post takes the original value | 00:45 |
| juan | my question what about the table Thread_read | 00:45 |
| juan | have to delete the records in this table, too? | 00:46 |
| SynQ | Hi there, shameless karma whore plug: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/what-makes-you-donate-your-karma | 00:50 |
| SynQ | preaction, perlDreamer, perlmonkey2, Haarg, MrHairgrease please respond to that discussion thread | 00:50 |
| SynQ | I beg you :) | 00:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What's in it for me? | 00:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Nude photos of your beamer? | 00:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | And dude, I mean your car | 00:51 |
| BartJol | metanil: just go to the group list | 00:54 |
| BartJol | or do you mean ntification? | 00:54 |
| SynQ | uh | 00:55 |
| SynQ | photo's of my beamer, hell yea | 00:55 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: are you around? | 00:55 |
| SynQ | I have fixed a bug in the WRE | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 00:55 |
| metanil | BartJol: i mean .. i need to call a method, if a new group is created. | 00:55 |
| SynQ | now I'd like to close the report | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | can you give me a URL? | 00:55 |
| SynQ | It's this one http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-thread_cache-in-my.cnf | 00:56 |
| SynQ | of course I'd like to get the karma that comes with closing a bug | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you kind of did | 00:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | synq what is the rate of exchange for bugs for karma? | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it's 10/post | 00:56 |
| SynQ | since I'm all in it for the karma ;) | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | so by saying that you closed it, you got 10 karma | 00:56 |
| SynQ | That is not a lot for all that hard work (open the file, change one number and then commiting it) | 00:57 |
| SynQ | :P | 00:57 |
| SynQ | perlmonkey2: I have no idea | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Technically, we don't have a karma/bug thing | 00:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm on janitor duty this week and have karma to burn :) | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Most of the time, people who _fix_ bugs don't get karma | 00:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SynQ: Yes, that deserves what, 200 more? | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from posting on the bug forum | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, 500 at least | 00:58 |
| SynQ | hehe | 00:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: then what does a big bug get? | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | that's an 8-bit fix | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | 50 karma | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but I tip big... | 00:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | course, whatever I give SynQ I'll have to give you 10x for the killer dataform bug | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | so, use your best judgement | 00:59 |
| SynQ | hmm | 00:59 |
| SynQ | I cannot sort the bug list | 00:59 |
| BartJol | metanil: so when a group is created by an user, you want to trigger a workflow? | 00:59 |
| metanil | not a workflow, just want call a method of my own class. | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: In a way, you're in a bad position. Karma is made for coders, designers, etc. | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | It's hard for hosters to get karma. | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Although, since BartJol works for you, his karma is technically owned by your company... | 01:01 |
| BartJol | eeh | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | And translators don't get karma either. | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | which is a bummer | 01:01 |
| BartJol | well, I get to report i18n bugs | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | This is now I see karma | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Karma is how to make PB do work for me. | 01:02 |
| BartJol | that gives me karma | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Or how to get me rank on the RFE list, which might make someone else build my RFE | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | or, now, for buying stuff | 01:02 |
| SynQ | uh huh | 01:02 |
| SynQ | now here is another problem | 01:02 |
| SynQ | this RFE http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/innodb-in-wre | 01:02 |
| SynQ | I can make it happen | 01:02 |
| BartJol | metanil: mmm I would like to dig in more, but I am getting a bit sleepy | 01:02 |
| SynQ | but I'm not sure if JT really wants that option in the WRE | 01:03 |
| BartJol | hey Koen, I saw an orer coming by | 01:03 |
| metanil | any other volunteer... i want to call a method as soon as any new group is created in webgui.. | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil, it will take custom code. There's no plug-in point for doing that. | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Look inside Operation/Group.pm and Group.pm | 01:04 |
| @preaction | metanil, the only good way would be to make a workflow plugin point, commit it to core WebGUI, and make a workflow activity | 01:04 |
| @preaction | otherwise, you have to edit WebGUI, which usually fails when you upgrade | 01:04 |
| SynQ | an orer? | 01:05 |
| SynQ | an order for a gift basket perhaps? | 01:05 |
| metanil | workflow plugin point sounds nice, but never done it before. | 01:05 |
| BartJol | indeed | 01:06 |
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| SynQ | BartJol: that is correct | 01:06 |
| SynQ | but don't mention it here | 01:06 |
| SynQ | :P | 01:06 |
| BartJol | hey, I've only got 8.5 fingers to type with | 01:06 |
| BartJol | what eggs? | 01:06 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: koen * r7442 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: Fixed http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-thread_cache-in-my.cnf | 01:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If PB puts InnoDB in the stack, wouldn't they then have to support it? | 01:08 |
| @preaction | yes | 01:08 |
| @preaction | we're moving to innodb probably | 01:08 |
| @preaction | so we can maybe use drizzle | 01:08 |
| @Haarg | we wouldn't have to support webgui on innodb though | 01:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah, drizzle is ++ with teh sexy | 01:08 |
| @Haarg | (for now i mean) | 01:08 |
| +cap10morgan | is it possible to delete questions from a survey asset? | 01:09 |
| +cap10morgan | i feel sorta dumb, but i don't see the option... | 01:09 |
| SynQ | so | 01:09 |
| +cap10morgan | s/s/n, SynQ? | 01:09 |
| SynQ | would it be right for me to add innodb support into the wre svn repo? | 01:09 |
| +cap10morgan | ah, nope :) | 01:09 |
| +cap10morgan | nm | 01:09 |
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| SynQ | s/s/n ? | 01:09 |
| +cap10morgan | sorry, thought maybe you were replying to me | 01:10 |
| +cap10morgan | w/ a "no" that ended up a "so" :) | 01:10 |
| SynQ | cap10morgan: I don't know the answer to your question | 01:11 |
| BartJol | I jsut tested it, just scroll down | 01:11 |
| BartJol | (in my template anyways | 01:11 |
| @tavisto | SynQ, how much karma will buy your Beamer? | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Full text search doesn't work on INNOdb, so core WebGUI cannot be used on it. | 01:11 |
| @tavisto | we talking like 1500 or 2000? | 01:11 |
| BartJol | there is a list with questions underneath the view grade stuff | 01:12 |
| SynQ | tavisto: let's see | 01:12 |
| @tavisto | Karma is very high at the moment... Even higher than the Euro | 01:12 |
| BartJol | his beamer? 10 for the purchase, 10000 every week for maintenance | 01:12 |
| @tavisto | haha | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | tavis has no karma | 01:12 |
| SynQ | that would be 1800000 karma | 01:12 |
| @tavisto | wha!? | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | scammer! | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | $1 = K100 | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | 1.8 MK | 01:13 |
| BartJol | cap10morgan: it might be that you use a template where the editable questions arwen't shown | 01:13 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, i'm thinking that's the case | 01:13 |
| BartJol | than you can first choose the default one | 01:14 |
| @tavisto | *tavis creates a ball of fire and then molds it into 1799999 Karma* | 01:14 |
| +cap10morgan | i upgrade this site to 7.5 recently from 7.4 | 01:14 |
| @tavisto | ooooh.. looks like I don't have enough Koen | 01:14 |
| +cap10morgan | BartJol: cool, will check that out. thanks. | 01:14 |
| BartJol | then they should be there | 01:14 |
| SynQ | tavisto: shipping it to the US would cost you 200000 karma too | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's 200 kK | 01:14 |
| SynQ | tavisto: if you come over here I'll let you drive it for 500 karma per 10 minutes :) | 01:15 |
| @tavisto | Nah I would just come over and run it on the crazy german highway | 01:15 |
| snapcount | anyone experience trouble getting mod_proxy to start with wre 0.8.4 on a fresh install? | 01:15 |
| snapcount | error about exceeding max forwards | 01:15 |
| snapcount | SLES 10.1 | 01:15 |
| snapcount | proxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by / | 01:15 |
| @tavisto | Synq, how is the ICE trains? I was looking at flights to Amsterdam and Frankfurt | 01:16 |
| @tavisto | er how are the trains | 01:16 |
| SynQ | ICE is ok but no match to the beamer | 01:16 |
| SynQ | oh my | 01:16 |
| SynQ | my wife is calling me | 01:16 |
| SynQ | I have to come to bed | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | She wants pickle-peanut butter ice cream with chocolate sauce | 01:16 |
| @Haarg | i know perlmonkey2 had an issue with that snapcount, but we never resolved it. most likely something wrong with how the domain is resolving. | 01:17 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: not that, she wants me to rub her belly | 01:17 |
| BartJol | training from frankfurt to the netherlands? you should do that with a high speed train | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Even better. | 01:17 |
| SynQ | indeed | 01:17 |
| snapcount | Haarg: thanks... I checked that first =) | 01:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | snapcount: I have no idea how to fix it. I'm just dev'ing so I'm only using modperl now | 01:17 |
| SynQ | I'm off, but be warned, I'll read the backlog first thing in the morning | 01:17 |
| snapcount | resolves from command line but apache might have an issue | 01:17 |
| BartJol | but directly to amsterdam is better tavisto | 01:17 |
| SynQ | later guys | 01:18 |
| @tavisto | cya Synq | 01:18 |
| BartJol | tot morgen | 01:18 |
| snapcount | also FYI - the errata post has a typo on the required modules | 01:18 |
| +cap10morgan | BartJol: still in the template, just not showing up | 01:18 |
| +cap10morgan | maybe a bug in 7.5.21? | 01:18 |
| snapcount | it should be install Scalar::Util | 01:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | be back later tonight | 01:18 |
| +cap10morgan | admin is on, etc. | 01:18 |
| BartJol | maybe | 01:18 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll try it in a demo | 01:18 |
| +cap10morgan | beta demo is 7.5.21? | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | yeah, Scalar-List-Utils is the name of the distro | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | beta and normal demo are both 7.5.21 | 01:19 |
| snapcount | I'll keep digging Haarg and let you guys know if I figure it out... just thought I'd ask before I got into it | 01:20 |
| +cap10morgan | nope, works in the demo | 01:20 |
| +cap10morgan | so maybe a 7.4 -> 7.5 upgrade bug | 01:20 |
| BartJol | mm, just temporay set another template, see wath that does to it | 01:20 |
| BartJol | in a tag | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | first thing i'll recommend, there is a section that proxies based on HTTP_PORT | 01:21 |
| @Haarg | in the mod_proxy config | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | check the template for typos, cap10morgan | 01:21 |
| +cap10morgan | nope, it wasn't there when the site was in 7.4 | 01:21 |
| +cap10morgan | it's still the default (and only) template | 01:21 |
| BartJol | oh | 01:21 |
| @Haarg | i'd remove that. i don't think it will fix the problem, but that part is basically useless and will be removed. | 01:22 |
| @Haarg | HTTP_HOST rather | 01:22 |
| BartJol | strange, I've got a 7.5.8 site and it does show the edit buttons | 01:22 |
| BartJol | default template | 01:23 |
| BartJol | what kinda use are you? If you're not admin that might give troubles | 01:24 |
| +cap10morgan | admin | 01:24 |
| +cap10morgan | admin is on | 01:24 |
| +cap10morgan | user is in the admins group | 01:24 |
| +cap10morgan | the other controls are there | 01:24 |
| +cap10morgan | the add question, add section stuff | 01:25 |
| snapcount | Haarg: commenting out the first rewrite cond for port 80 and the proxy directive fixed it for me | 01:25 |
| snapcount | not sure why that's even there really | 01:25 |
| snapcount | never did figure it out | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | it serves no purpose now | 01:25 |
| snapcount | oh ok | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | the second rewrite used to be different | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | and then it was needed | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | but when i changed the second rewrite, i neglected to take out the first one | 01:26 |
| snapcount | maybe that can be yanked in wre 0.8.5 then | 01:26 |
| snapcount | not sure if it causes grief with other distros | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | i've been meaning to commit that change for a few days | 01:27 |
| snapcount | anyways, thanks for your time man | 01:27 |
| BartJol | cap10morgan: can it be hidden by some other div in the page template? if so, you should be able to find it in the html source | 01:27 |
| snapcount | appreciate it | 01:27 |
| +cap10morgan | BartJol: yeah, was about to check that | 01:27 |
| +cap10morgan | nope, not in the html | 01:32 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm gonna compare my copy of the template to the demo site | 01:32 |
| +cap10morgan | just in case | 01:32 |
| BartJol | well, otherwise I have no ideas left... | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | No ideas left? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | One finger, please | 01:35 |
| BartJol | well, it's gettin late here | 01:36 |
| BartJol | right now I should be doing something else in my bed. like sleeping | 01:36 |
| BartJol | but I hang on for a moment to see how cap will do | 01:37 |
| BartJol | for the moment I can only annoy you with sailing pictures: http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr08/slides/ZR8-5950.html | 01:38 |
| +cap10morgan | no differences in the templates | 01:40 |
| +cap10morgan | copied them to text files and ran diff on them | 01:40 |
| +cap10morgan | between pb demo site and my site | 01:40 |
| +cap10morgan | so weird! | 01:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7443 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template: no longer need requite rule to deal with port in host | 01:40 |
| +cap10morgan | it's like the section.questions_loop is empty | 01:40 |
| +cap10morgan | time to dive into the code | 01:41 |
| BartJol | maybe there's a change in the db, you might check the gotchas first | 01:42 |
| +cap10morgan | always do before an upgrade | 01:42 |
| BartJol | mm | 01:42 |
| BartJol | wise men | 01:42 |
| +cap10morgan | besides, this survey was created w/ this version of webgui | 01:42 |
| +cap10morgan | let's see what the sql that populates that variable returns for this survey | 01:43 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, that works, assuming the right values are ending up in the query when it runs | 01:45 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll spit it out in the log file | 01:45 |
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| +cap10morgan | ah ha! | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 01:56 |
| +cap10morgan | the section query returns no sections | 01:56 |
| +cap10morgan | so somehow that got corrupted... | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 01:56 |
| +cap10morgan | that's odd | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | so why does it work on beta? | 01:56 |
| +cap10morgan | i would assume it does return a section there | 01:56 |
| +cap10morgan | all the questions on my site have a section id | 01:56 |
| +cap10morgan | i just need to see why this query has no results | 01:57 |
| +cap10morgan | and we have a questions_loop, ladies and gentelmen | 01:58 |
| +cap10morgan | thank you for playing Debugging WebGUI | 01:58 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm your host, cap10morgan, signing off for now | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | what was the problem? | 01:58 |
| +cap10morgan | i have no idea | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but it works now? | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | a co-worker created the survey | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | i don't know if she did something weird to make it not generate a default None section | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | or if she could have somehow deleted it along the way | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | but it does seem like there's at least a UI bug in there somewhere | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | since it seems like you wouldn't want to be able to get yourself into this situation | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe she's cursed | 02:00 |
| +cap10morgan | hahaha | 02:00 |
| +cap10morgan | maybe | 02:00 |
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| BartJol | well, good to know that the problem is analysed, now, I'm going to sleep | 02:04 |
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| +cap10morgan | yeah, she deleted the section | 02:07 |
| +cap10morgan | but it didn't delete the questions under it, it just made it impossible to edit or delete them any further because it made the section.questions_loop variable become empty | 02:08 |
| +cap10morgan | so that seems like a bug | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | post it | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2 loves to fix survey bugs | 02:08 |
| +cap10morgan | huh, the demo stopped me | 02:09 |
| +cap10morgan | said i was trying to delete a vital system component | 02:09 |
| +cap10morgan | but apparently it did not stop her | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | She's not cursed, she's powerful! | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | or maybe both | 02:09 |
| +cap10morgan | man, how do users always find a way to trigger these corner cases? | 02:09 |
| +cap10morgan | seriously | 02:10 |
| +cap10morgan | she's a witch! burn her! | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Is the key logger on her computer still working so we can figure out what she did? | 02:10 |
| +cap10morgan | hahahhaa | 02:10 |
| * cap10morgan checks | 02:10 | |
| +cap10morgan | nope, she crashed it by typing a rare sequence of keys that disables all key loggers | 02:10 |
| +cap10morgan | ;) | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | the force is strong with this one | 02:11 |
| +cap10morgan | it's true | 02:11 |
| +cap10morgan | well, hopefully she won't do it again. | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Actually, I hope she does, so she can tell us what she did. | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | if she did it without hacking the db, then it's still a bug | 02:12 |
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| patspam | morning! | 03:23 |
| @preaction | morning! | 03:24 |
| @preaction | patspam, about your bugs for the thingy. i had an idea to make a "getEditForm" for WebGUI::Form::Control and subclasses | 03:36 |
| @preaction | this would be used by Thingy and by the User Profiling admin area | 03:36 |
| @preaction | ooh, Content Profiling too | 03:36 |
| @preaction | that would fix your problem, but it'd be a bit of work | 03:36 |
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| topsub | morning??? its 9pm! | 04:03 |
| patspam | preaction: for specifying extra form options? | 04:05 |
| @preaction | patspam, yeah. for getting form control configuration from the end-user | 04:05 |
| @preaction | one of the problems with our current solution is that we have one form for all controls, which means the help says "this doesn't apply to list-types" or other such | 04:06 |
| @preaction | which is confusing to the end user | 04:06 |
| patspam | yeah, and lots of extra options can't be specified (like range on sliders) | 04:06 |
| @preaction | yeah | 04:07 |
| patspam | Survey might be able to make use of that too | 04:07 |
| @preaction | dunno, but i have a few projects on my list that would | 04:07 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: you still awak? | 05:53 |
| patspam | (e) | 05:54 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:27 |
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| BartJol | goed morning, just as sunny as here? | 16:34 |
| SDuensin | It's gloomy in St. Louis. | 16:35 |
| topsub | bout to storm in Charlotte! | 16:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | overcast in Oklahoma | 16:45 |
| SDuensin | Any of you geeks played with Cappuccino any? | 16:49 |
| SDuensin | rizen had talked about wanting to put a more "desktop" or "wigit-ish" admin panel and such in WebGUI before. I'd say it's well worth the look. | 16:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | SynQ: If you're around, could you show me the confirmation you received for the karma? There appears to be a bug. | 16:53 |
| BartJol | SynQ is in a meeting | 16:55 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Always with the business and making money, never with the fun and IRQ. | 16:58 |
| BartJol | IRQ? | 16:58 |
| BartJol | IRC and ICQ I heard off | 16:58 |
| BartJol | whateeever | 16:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You haven't heard of IRQ. It is like the coolest new thing no one has ever heard of. | 17:00 |
| BartJol | then it must be really cool | 17:01 |
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| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: just gifted you some. It went to my spam when I received some, so you might have to check there. | 17:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right on, thanks | 17:14 |
| * SDuensin remembers IRQs. COM1 and 3 are on 4 and 2 and 4 are on 3. | 17:18 | |
| BartJol | I only see interrupt request | 17:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: What about my $from = $headers->{from} || "<$userName> ".$session->setting->get("companyEmail"); | 17:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, wait the <> are on the wrong part, but you get what I mean, right? | 17:26 |
| @Haarg | i'm not certain how the best way to handle that is | 17:27 |
| @Haarg | one issue with just sticking the sending user as the from is then there is no real indication the message was sent through the site | 17:28 |
| @Haarg | i guess what you have would make sense, using the site's email with the user's name | 17:29 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: you know of any easy way to test the change in Mail/Send? I'm not that familiar with sendmail and would hate to have my ISP shut me off for sending out mail when I'm not supposed to. | 18:04 |
| @Haarg | this is for the inbox thing? | 18:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | two thoughts are - i think there is an option to dump emails to a log instead of sending them that was added recently. second, emails are always queued then sent by spectre. you can turn off spectre and just look in the mailQueue table. | 18:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | setting a user's email to root@localhost.localdomain doens't work :) | 18:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay groovy | 18:07 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: From: bob <info@mycompany.com> is what you wanted right? | 18:12 |
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| elnino | Im not on wireless!! I shouldn't be disconnected anymore! yeah husband! | 18:13 |
| elnino | question - | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | i think it will work; i'm not certain | 18:13 |
| elnino | can I use subscriptions and workflows to periodically send out text messages to subscribers? | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | the other option that comes to mind is adding some text before inbox messages that are sent out saying who sent it | 18:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: looking at the complete headers of email sent out ot me, it looks like the [name <email addy>] is the proper syntax. | 18:15 |
| elnino | And, is there a "are you over 16 options" type thing for subscriptions? | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i was just considering if instead of having the name in the from header putting it in a preface to the message body | 18:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, just got mail to [poopoohead <kaleb@plainblack.com>] :D | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | heh | 18:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: so that wouldn't be in Mail/Send.pm but added to CS and the Karma package? | 18:17 |
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| @Haarg | it would be in the inbox code | 18:18 |
| @Haarg | the CS already handles this as needed | 18:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ic | 18:18 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: sorry to be tedious but I want to be clear on this. You want Inbox to prepend all msg text with a short descriptor of who sent the message? | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | i'm thinking that would be the way to go | 18:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7447 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Sent email from field now prefixed with username | 18:37 |
| elnino | is there an option in webgui to have a "if you are 16 or older?" condition before purchasing a subscription? | 18:47 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | When adding a new module to i18n is there some place it needs to be registerd? | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it not showing up? | 19:03 |
| @preaction | elnino, no, but you could make a group for people >= 16 years old, then put the subscription in that group | 19:04 |
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| elnino | preaction, thatnks, I'll think about that approach some more. Do you happen to know if there is a way of text messaging (to a cel phone) from webgui? | 19:09 |
| @preaction | elnino, google for "sms gateway", just about every phone has an email address | 19:10 |
| elnino | ah. that's accrynom I was looking for. Thanks! | 19:10 |
| elnino | so as long as I can send an email and the phone has an email, I can text message it? | 19:13 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7448 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Inbox messages now tell you who the message was from | 19:13 |
| @preaction | elnino, in theory, yes | 19:15 |
| elnino | ok. theorys work for me. =) | 19:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice reply on the forum, bopbop | 19:30 |
| @bopbop | thanks perlDreamer | 19:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Is this really a bug? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/i-need-a-template-for-this-display#-RpBtut6vo6JYj6SpENDuQ | 19:34 |
| @rizen | yes | 19:35 |
| @rizen | things that are not templated that an end user can see are bugs | 19:35 |
| @rizen | if it were an admin only screen then it wouldn't be a bug | 19:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Okay | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I answered your i18n question earlier, is it working okay now? | 19:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: My internet has been flaky, I may not have seen it. But I resolved the problem "my $text = $i18n->get; $text = "whatever";" Note the missing concat in the second statement :) | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | my $text = $i18n->get('key', 'namespace'); # ??? | 19:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: if you create the i18n with the namespace you dont' need to use it in the get's right? | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | That's right, but you still have to give it a key/label to lookup | 19:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right, that was never the problem | 19:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | not concat'ing was the problem | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 19:47 |
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| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: feel free to go out to my training site to look at the Thingy I refer to in the bug report | 19:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bopbop: err, sorry but I don't know the url | 19:53 |
| @bopbop | I'll provide it | 19:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | With the Thingy, when adding a thing to another thing, can you only add things that have already been instantiated? | 20:02 |
| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: a Thing isn't being added | 20:03 |
| @bopbop | a record in a thing | 20:03 |
| @bopbop | is being created | 20:03 |
| @bopbop | and the field in the cross-linked thing isn't displaying all possible values | 20:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Let's say you have container Thing and Fruit thing. You create a basket and want to add fruit to the basket. Fruit can be apple, pear, or bananna. When you create the basket I don't think you can add Fruit to it, but only an already create apple, pear, or banana. Can someone tell me if this is correct or not? | 20:05 |
| @preaction | you're correct, but i think she's saying that the new Basket is not showing Apple Pear and Banana, it's missing some | 20:06 |
| @bopbop | right | 20:06 |
| @bopbop | the original container thing is only displaying apple and banana | 20:07 |
| @bopbop | no pear | 20:07 |
| @bopbop | but I made all three fruits a possible field value in the fruit basket | 20:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: but the apple, pear and banana haven't been created yet. They are only possible options for the fruit | 20:07 |
| @bopbop | the FIELD should display all as possible values though | 20:08 |
| @bopbop | if someone gives me a fruit basket, and there are three fruits to select from, I should be able to select from all three | 20:09 |
| @bopbop | right? | 20:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure if they have to be created already or not | 20:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | you're saying no and I'm guessing yes | 20:09 |
| @preaction | so we created a Fruit thing and a Basket thing, right? | 20:10 |
| @bopbop | but it's a select box- shouldn't I be able to select from all possible values? | 20:10 |
| @preaction | then we added some Fruits to the Fruit thing | 20:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes, which in my mind are definitions of things. | 20:10 |
| @bopbop | the fruits aren't the thing | 20:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: only 2 of the 3 fruits though | 20:10 |
| @preaction | so we have Apple, Pear, and Banana as Fruits in the Fruit thing | 20:10 |
| @bopbop | in a select box | 20:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: apple, pear, and banana re possible fruits. We only have 2 created | 20:10 |
| @bopbop | you can choose apple, pear, or banana | 20:10 |
| @preaction | oh, this isn't a Thing linking to another Thing? | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes it is | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | a basket containing a fruit thing | 20:11 |
| @bopbop | no, a basket linked to a fruit thing | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but the basket can only add two of the fruits. | 20:11 |
| @bopbop | through a common field | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I thought you added the fruit thing to the basket. I'm an idiot | 20:12 |
| @bopbop | it's confusing terminology | 20:12 |
| @bopbop | you're not an idiot | 20:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I need to read the specs on Thingy because in your Employee Contact Information, "Department" is a "Employee Department Assignment" being linked on the "Department" field. | 20:14 |
| @bopbop | I can email you exactly what I did to create it if you want | 20:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Which in my head translates into a Basket having a fruit-type field which is a fruit which links on the fruit's fruit-type. | 20:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I think I understand what you did. I'm not sure what the Thingy is supposed to do. | 20:15 |
| @bopbop | ok | 20:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What it's like 6pm in the Netherlands. Those guys all go home early? | 20:16 |
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| juan | i have the next error | 20:19 |
| juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29ad16ba | 20:19 |
| juan | can i fix it running rebuildLineage.pl? | 20:21 |
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| @preaction | juan, you might be able to. most likely there's an asset with that lineage that can't be instanciated (is broken). you'll need to remove it | 20:23 |
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| juan | i ran rebuildLineage.pl and the error was fixed | 20:33 |
| juan | thanks | 20:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | anyone tinkered with this yet? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/09/1558218&from=rss | 20:40 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, not yet no | 20:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: In t/Workflow.t it says that the workflows should check to make sure that you don't make mismatched activities (those that require user objects vs version tags and so on). Do you want that coded in? | 21:24 |
| @rizen | what do you mean "coded in" | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Right now Workflow.pm does not do that checking. Do you want me to add that code to Workflow.pm to make it do that? | 21:27 |
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| wgGuest23 | Hello! | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Hello, wgGuest23. | 21:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hello | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | If you wish, you can set a name for yourself by typing /nick myName | 21:34 |
| wgGuest23 | Any news when WRE 085 is coming ? | 21:34 |
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| Jmack | Does someone know when WRE is coming out? 2 days, 2 weeks etc? | 21:37 |
| @preaction | i know it's being worked on | 21:37 |
| Jmack | I saw that on svn.. | 21:38 |
| SynQ | ah | 21:38 |
| SynQ | Karma well received :) | 21:39 |
| elnino | to add a site with wre, all I have to do is run addsite? do I create a db first? or is it using the same db asmy othersite? | 21:39 |
| Jmack | jep ;-) | 21:39 |
| @preaction | elnino, addsite creates the DB for you, and does everything else necessary | 21:39 |
| elnino | cool. | 21:39 |
| Jmack | I'll contact you soon.. SynQ | 21:40 |
| Jmack | Have to go.. | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Jmack, were you part of the Dutch Invasion Force this year? | 21:40 |
| Jmack | No | 21:40 |
| Jmack | never been at a wuc | 21:40 |
| Jmack | When will there be one in NL? | 21:41 |
| Jmack | :-) | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds like an RFE | 21:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | there has been one | 21:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | in amsterdam | 21:41 |
| Jmack | yeah I know.. | 21:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | in 2005 if i'm not mistaken | 21:42 |
| Jmack | By then I was quite new to WebGUI.. | 21:42 |
| Jmack | next time ;-) | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | who knows | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe next year you could come the USWUC, and ride inside SynQ's luggage? | 21:43 |
| Jmack | haha | 21:43 |
| SynQ | Jmack: WRE will be out soon I hope | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | synq's luggage is already filled with ego | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 21:44 |
| SynQ | I cannot release it though | 21:44 |
| Jmack | Ok, was wondering when I could upgrade my server.. | 21:45 |
| Jmack | I'll check the site in a few days, or here on IRC | 21:45 |
| Jmack | cu | 21:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 21:45 |
| SynQ | cu | 21:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah | 21:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | time for the kroegentocht! | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Just what I was thinking. | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | whatsa kroegentocht? | 21:47 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7449 /translations/Slovenian/ (162 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 21:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's a tour along a whole slew of bars, which in this case we have in order to aquaint orselves with new members of the koornbeurs | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | koornbeurs? Are those like koenbiers? | 21:49 |
| SynQ | rizen: can I implement this rfe? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/innodb-in-wre | 21:49 |
| @rizen | how would you implement it? | 21:50 |
| SynQ | change the compile options for mysql probably | 21:51 |
| SynQ | ie, remove this from the build.sh script --without-innodb | 21:51 |
| SynQ | then innodb support will be compiled into mysql | 21:52 |
| SynQ | in fact I think that is all there is to it | 21:52 |
| SynQ | rizen: have you been working on the WRE lately? | 21:55 |
| SynQ | since I have a few more hours to work on it today | 21:55 |
| SynQ | I could add the needed perl modules to the build script too | 21:56 |
| elnino | preaction, addsite works slick! Since I don't have my domains pointed here yet, All I should need to do is change the proxy file <VirtualHost *:80> | 21:56 |
| elnino | to <VirtualHost withanipaddress:80> | 21:56 |
| elnino | right? | 21:56 |
| SynQ | do you keep the prereqs source files in a special place somewhere? | 21:56 |
| @preaction | elnino, you shouldn't need to. you should just add the domain name to the /etc/hosts file | 21:56 |
| elnino | it's hosted somewhere else right now. | 21:57 |
| elnino | I need to develope the site and access it by ip for now. | 21:57 |
| elnino | and actually, there are two new ones, so I was thinking of doing them at different ports like 83 and 84 | 21:58 |
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| @preaction | elnino, then put the ip address in your hosts file maybe? your local one. or give it some ServerAlias and put that IP in your hosts file | 22:03 |
| SynQ | preaction, perlDreamer, MrHairgrease please do me a favour and reply to my question: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/what-makes-you-donate-your-karma | 22:03 |
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| SynQ | rizen: I'm testing the compile for a build.sh without the --without-innodb switch now | 22:12 |
| SynQ | ofcourse it takes 25 minutes to compile it all :) | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I can remember when it took 25 minutes to compile perl | 22:12 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: I compiled perl once on a HP-UX 9.x machine | 22:13 |
| SynQ | it took 3 days | 22:13 |
| SynQ | and that was perl 5.0 :) | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess I was lucky to have my Sun Sparc 10 then :) | 22:13 |
| SynQ | it took me 3 weeks before I got perl to finish compiling succesfully though | 22:14 |
| SynQ | and a day after I found out there where pre-compiled packages at a very nearby mirror | 22:15 |
| SynQ | rizen: did you see my comments and questions? | 22:19 |
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| SynQ | hi monkey2 | 22:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hello | 22:21 |
| SynQ | I recieved the karma loud and clearly | 22:23 |
| SynQ | but if you want to try it again, be my guest :) | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be nice if users could add karma to their bugs, and the person who closes the bug gets the karma. | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ditto with RFEs | 22:24 |
| SynQ | I agree | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that would then give us devs karma to play with | 22:24 |
| SynQ | I bet there is even an rfe fot that | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and then there's a karma cycle/economy | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | where consumption =~ production | 22:24 |
| @rizen | the --without-innodb switch is part of it | 22:27 |
| @rizen | but i've also removed all of the innodb stuff from the mysql config file | 22:28 |
| SynQ | I think technically that solves the RFE | 22:28 |
| SynQ | since the RFE only asks for the builtin innodb engine | 22:28 |
| SynQ | not for any configuration | 22:28 |
| @rizen | sorry | 22:29 |
| @rizen | what i mean is..there should be the no-innodb or skip-innodb added to the default config | 22:29 |
| @rizen | i forget what it's called | 22:29 |
| SynQ | oh ok | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | that's already in there afaik | 22:29 |
| SynQ | I'll look that up | 22:29 |
| SynQ | and make sure mysql starts | 22:29 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: I've added your suggestions to the RFE list | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I still haven't thought of a larger part for hosters in the karma economy though. | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | It's still slanted toward designers, coders and documenters | 22:33 |
| SynQ | hosters are bloodsuckers | 22:33 |
| SynQ | they have to do an extra part to get to the karma | 22:33 |
| SynQ | like translate or document | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | well, even today, translators don't get karma for translating | 22:35 |
| SynQ | ah | 22:35 |
| SynQ | yet another RFE | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a big rfe, since the translation server is completely outside of wG | 22:35 |
| @Haarg | yeah, and it has no user tracking | 22:36 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: but it is an rfe now | 22:36 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/new-modproxy-config-creates-open-proxies - this is interesting. I had upgraded to .84 a while ago, and *Just* added a site. But it's still using the .83 method of proxying. when changes like this occur, what do I do to ensure that new sites get the changes? Does addsite copy the modproxy.conf in the etc file? | 22:38 |
| SynQ | please give me a moment to read all that | 22:39 |
| @Haarg | elnino: in general it isn't a problem as it can only proxy to port 8081 | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | it only becomes a real problem if you change it to proxy to port 80 | 22:41 |
| elnino | ok. but shouldn't the change from the wre v.84 be applied to my new site that I justed added? | 22:41 |
| elnino | I expected to see: RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !.*mywebguisite\.com | 22:42 |
| elnino | RewriteRule ^.*$ - [F] in my new sites' proxy file. | 22:42 |
| @Haarg | that's not the method we used to fix the issue | 22:43 |
| @Haarg | but as i said, with a stock config it is basically not a problem | 22:43 |
| SynQ | addsite uses the templates to create the .conf files | 22:44 |
| @Haarg | modifying those templates through code is rather error prone, which is why we didn't do that | 22:45 |
| elnino | ok. So when changes are needed to be made to the templated confi files, is that notated anywhere so I can be sure that the latest additions/fixes are applied? | 22:49 |
| elnino | since you don't update them via upgrade proceedure? | 22:50 |
| @Haarg | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template | 22:51 |
| SynQ | elnino: the answer to the 'is that notated anywhere' is probably NO | 22:51 |
| @Haarg | you can blame that on me - i should probably stick it in the release notes somewhere | 22:52 |
| SynQ | elnino: you could report a bug for that | 22:54 |
| elnino | wow. ok. acutlly it's not MUCH different. What has always something I've noticed is the options added to the WebGUI.conf file, which I suppose is treated the same way? I find myself always comparing manually to see "what's New" | 22:54 |
| elnino | synq, ok | 22:54 |
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| elnino | hmm.. still trying to figure out how I can have one site on port 80 and another on a differen tport for developemet purposes. Under apache, there is a listen port. So I supect that wre has a listen port of 80, but I need two listen ports. hmm. | 23:01 |
| SynQ | You can add two listen ports to the apache configuration | 23:02 |
| elnino | and it looks like it's defind in the wre.conf | 23:02 |
| elnino | in wre's apache? | 23:02 |
| SynQ | sure | 23:02 |
| SynQ | it's just like a normal apache | 23:02 |
| elnino | which file? | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | wre.conf doesn't define the operation of apache at all | 23:03 |
| elnino | oh. | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | it's just settings used for generating configs with the wre scripts | 23:03 |
| elnino | I need a flow chart. | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | or for the wremonitor for example | 23:03 |
| elnino | telling me what calls what where on what port. =) | 23:04 |
| elnino | so where would I put the Listen 8080 for wre's apache? | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ae37f9d | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | there is a stripped down example of what you need | 23:05 |
| elnino | ah. in modproxy.conf there is a listen directive. | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | oh yeah | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | need a listen too, sorry | 23:06 |
| elnino | Haarg: that's what I have, and it doesn't seem to be answering: 67.223.227.84:8080 | 23:07 |
| elnino | ok. so I do need a listen . | 23:07 |
| elnino | I'll do that now and restart.... | 23:07 |
| elnino | =( I keep getting couldn't connec tto webgui site www.domain at www.dooma:80. It keeps trying port 80 for some reason. | 23:12 |
| elnino | sorry, terrible typing. | 23:14 |
| @Haarg | what do you have inside the virtualhost block | 23:15 |
| elnino | Haarg: it's the default from the addsite.pl. But I noticed that I did not specify the NameVirtualHost. Which from what I just read on the apache docs, that that is what lets me have more than one site on the same IP address. So I should declare that - do I need to have that in all my modproxy files? or just one? | 23:18 |
| elnino | so I will have multiple domains. Bu tthe second and third sites need to be accessed by IP addres for now, till I swithc the DNS records to this other server. | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | you need to have one for each port you are using | 23:19 |
| elnino | And I only have one ip addrss, so I will have a separate for for each | 23:20 |
| elnino | like you just said =) | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | are you specifying the ip? | 23:20 |
| elnino | no I wasn't in the modproxy file, but it looks like I should based on apache docs? | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | the signature (ip+port) has to match in the NameVirtualHost and <VirtualHost> | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | but aside from that you shouldn't need to specify it | 23:21 |
| elnino | ok. I defined two ports in the modproxy.conf file using teh Listen directive, and in my second sites's modproxy file I have a NameVirtualHost 67.223.227.84:8080 | 23:22 |
| elnino | and <VirtualHost 67.223.227.84:8080> | 23:22 |
| elnino | my first site's modproxy file remains on untouched: <VirtualHost *:80> | 23:23 |
| elnino | with no NameVirtualHost directive. | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | the namevirtualhost for :80 is in the modproxy.conf file | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | and the domain you are using resolves to that ip? | 23:24 |
| elnino | ?? My first site is accessed by domainname: mediaangels.com on port 80. my second site will be accesssed by ip address on port 8080 | 23:26 |
| elnino | Do I need a NameVirtualHosts directive declared for each site? | 23:26 |
| @Haarg | ah | 23:26 |
| @Haarg | no | 23:26 |
| elnino | sorry about the confusion | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | so what kind of error are you getting? | 23:27 |
| elnino | I'm not getting any, I turned it all off because it broke my first site. we can start from a clean slate | 23:27 |
| elnino | *before* it just was spinning in the browser. couldn't reach the :8080 site. | 23:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm having trouble finding it. Where would I find the logic that keeps a subscription from using Cash to pay? | 23:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I need to test out subscription code and don't have an ITransact account. | 23:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Nor do I want to charge my CC> | 23:40 |
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| elnino | haarg - you CAN have multiple namevirtualhost directives. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html - I'll give that a try! | 23:51 |
| @Haarg | sorry if i wasn't clear | 23:52 |
| @Haarg | you need a namevirtualhost directive for *:80 and for *:8080 (or 67.223.227.84:8080) | 23:53 |
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| elnino | that's what I needed! =) | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | but you don't need to have one for each site, just each port/ip as you are using in the <VirtualHost> header | 23:53 |
| elnino | right. =) Thanks! | 23:53 |
| elnino | feeling hopefull - soon find out. | 23:54 |
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| SynQ | ok | 00:00 |
| SynQ | innodb support is in the WRE :) | 00:00 |
| SynQ | Haarg: I updated the changelog of the WRE to reflect your revision 7443 commit too | 00:01 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: can you close this bug again? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/ap_get_server_banner-used-in-xsloader.pm | 00:11 |
| SynQ | I fixed it | 00:11 |
| SynQ | or someone else, perhaps my I should ask perlmonkey2 since he gives out karma for fixing bugs | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | It's closed | 00:12 |
| SynQ | thanks | 00:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I guess I should bookmark the karma gift link | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | This one's on me | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: What's your bug fixing tip amount? | 00:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well the 8 bit fix I gave out 150 | 00:14 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 00:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hello SquOnk | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Hi, SquOnk! | 00:14 |
| SynQ | hi SquOnk | 00:15 |
| SynQ | any news on the debian front? | 00:15 |
| SquOnk | Not really. | 00:15 |
| SquOnk | Let me check | 00:15 |
| elnino | haarg: oh good grief: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7d9279f | 00:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: that bug was basically a documentation fix. So what, 300? | 00:15 |
| SynQ | nah | 00:15 |
| SynQ | 300 is way to much | 00:15 |
| SynQ | 50 at max | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I gave him 75 | 00:16 |
| SquOnk | We're still number 5 in the NEW queue. | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | because he's koen | 00:16 |
| @Haarg | NameVirualHost *.86 -> NameVirualHost *:86 | 00:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 00:16 |
| SynQ | you guys are too sweet | 00:16 |
| SquOnk | At least I have confirmation from my sponsor that IF webgui gets into Sid he will push for the migration to Lenny. | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Managing an entire economy is difficult | 00:16 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: perhaps you can help me squash this bug too: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/wremonitor-doesnt-say-which-site-generated-an-error | 00:17 |
| elnino | my browser just sits and spins when I try to access the sites on port 85 and 86 ie: 67.223.227.84:85 | 00:17 |
| SquOnk | I can confirm that the 7.5.21 package installs cleanly on any freshly installed Lenny box, so it will work. | 00:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SquOnk: that doesn't happen automagically? | 00:17 |
| SynQ | SquOnk: that is great | 00:17 |
| SquOnk | perlmonkey2: No, because Debian is in the "freeze". | 00:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, do you just want it closed? | 00:17 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: no | 00:17 |
| SquOnk | perlmonkey2: While the freeze is on, there's no automatic migration from Sid to Testing. It has to be requested by a DD and handled by an FTP Master. | 00:17 |
| SynQ | I need some help in getting the right variable from $spectre->getWorkflowsPerSite($report); | 00:18 |
| SynQ | so I can put it in the subjectline | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | can you paste me some output? | 00:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SquOnk: Else it waits for the next cycle/ | 00:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ? | 00:18 |
| SquOnk | perlmonkey2: Exactly. | 00:18 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: have a look at line 105 of /data/wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl | 00:18 |
| SquOnk | perlmonkey2: But as I said, the 7.5.x packages will be available from my repository. | 00:19 |
| SynQ | I think all that is needed is add the $sitename to the sendEmail command | 00:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SquOnk: That is pretty cool of you to host that. | 00:19 |
| SquOnk | Now I'm working on getting 7.6 to work with PostgreSQL | 00:19 |
| SynQ | and that would fix the bug | 00:19 |
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| SquOnk | I have a question today, though | 00:20 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: see what I mean? | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but where does the sitename come from? | 00:20 |
| SynQ | but I don't know how to get sitename from $_ | 00:20 |
| SquOnk | I have something like "^/someplace" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru" in urlHandlers | 00:21 |
| SynQ | I guess the site-id (or something like that) should be gotten from $spectre->getWorkflowsPerSite | 00:21 |
| SynQ | and then that should give us the sitename | 00:21 |
| SquOnk | I have Alias /someplace /the/actual/dir In the Apache2 config, along with a proper <Directory /the/actual/dir></Directory> | 00:21 |
| SquOnk | If I get http://localhost/someplace/index.html it works. If I get http://localhost/someplace it does not work. | 00:22 |
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| SquOnk | I have the Indexes option enabled in the <Directory> stanza | 00:22 |
| SquOnk | If I _remove_ webgui from the config, everything works :-) | 00:22 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: getWorkflowsPerSite is in line 232 of /data/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm | 00:22 |
| @Haarg | it may be simpler to use a rewriterule | 00:23 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: You think? | 00:23 |
| @Haarg | well, are you using a single apache process? | 00:23 |
| @Haarg | or a proxied config? | 00:23 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Yep | 00:23 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: No, it's a single server. It's used for webgui, a local debian mirror (/debian) and documentation (/doc). | 00:24 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: if I can read it states there that the sitename is in that datastructure | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | well, apache would normally do a redirect in that case | 00:24 |
| SquOnk | Neither /debian nor /doc work | 00:24 |
| SquOnk | Both are listed as I described before. | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | so you could do the redirection as a rewrite | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | not certain on how webgui is interfering | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, I'm not sure about that | 00:25 |
| SquOnk | Me neither :-) | 00:25 |
| SquOnk | "^/debian" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru" | 00:25 |
| @Haarg | in the data structure coming from getWorkflowsPerSite, the key is the site name | 00:25 |
| SquOnk | That should make any URL starting with /debian pass thru to Apache. And it does, but it always gives me an error. | 00:25 |
| elnino | haarg: i'm using wre's apahec, but I also do have another install of apache that is listening on port 82. | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks, Haarg | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, did you catch that? | 00:26 |
| SynQ | I would say something like $workflowsPerSite{$_} should give the sitename then? | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | $_ is the sitename | 00:26 |
| SynQ | ah ok | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | well | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | in that loop | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | it is using values | 00:27 |
| SynQ | I want to use the sitename in the sendEmail line | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | You want to build a list of all sitenames that have too many workflows | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | because there may be more than one | 00:27 |
| SynQ | in line 106 of /data/wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and you need them all for good diagnostics | 00:27 |
| SynQ | ok | 00:28 |
| SynQ | so it is not that simple | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It's 2 lines instead of 1 :) | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe 3 | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | let me paste you some code to start with, my young Hacker Padawan | 00:28 |
| SynQ | :) | 00:28 |
| SynQ | I still have 30 minutes to hack my way through this | 00:29 |
| SynQ | so paste away I would say | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | if(my @sites = grep { $workflowsPerSite->{$_} >= $maxWorkflowsPerSite } keys %$workflowsPerSite ) { | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | sendEmail(qq|There are too many workflows running on these sites: | . join(', ', @sites)); | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | } | 00:29 |
| SynQ | Haarg: that would only list all sites that have more then the maxWorkflows | 00:30 |
| SynQ | right? | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hmm, perhaps people could put their Karma on the Bazaar? | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | how so pm2? | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | elnino: did you see what i said about the namevirtualhosts being wrong in that paste? | 00:31 |
| SynQ | perlmonkey2: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/bazaar-sell-things-for-karma-only | 00:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: No idea. But it might help stimulate the use of Karma | 00:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SynQ: hah | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen has said he doesn't want people buying and selling karma | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, you have fast fingers | 00:32 |
| elnino | Haarg: nope, let me look back | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | but buying items on the bazaar with karma (as a vendor choice) might be fine | 00:32 |
| SynQ | Haarg: that is what my RFE is intended for | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Time for me to go to the laptop doctor | 00:33 |
| elnino | your kidding! grr. Thanks Haarg! | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | let's see if I can get that code into a simple 'show number of workflows per site' script | 00:34 |
| wgGuest63 | Hello everyone. Perhaps you can answer my question. I suspect it is easy... | 00:34 |
| SynQ | so I can then extend the wremonitor.pl script to give a complete list of all sites that have exceeded the maxWorkflows and how much workflows they have per site | 00:34 |
| wgGuest63 | When I add a "wiki" it puts a copy(?) on the main page too. how do I avoid that? | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | simplest way would to be to create a paye layout then put the wiki on that | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | *page | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | SynQ, one thing to keep in mind is that the messages are currently kept short so they can be sent via sms | 00:36 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:36 |
| wgGuest63 | Will try. Thank you. | 00:37 |
| SynQ | I will | 00:37 |
| SynQ | thanks Haarg | 00:37 |
| elnino | Haarg, doh. I wish it was that easy. I typed it wrong in the paste, but I'm using : in the modproxy file. =( | 00:38 |
| wgGuest63 | Not perfect, but it works. Thaank you. | 00:38 |
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| elnino | what abou this?? http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/customizing-wre-configuration | 00:38 |
| elnino | do I need to put in the additinal rewriteCond? | 00:38 |
| elnino | the example for "deal with port number in HTTP_HOST" | 00:39 |
| elnino | is what I'm referring to. | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | can you post your modproxy conf? | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | if you are using the 0.8.5 config, it shouldn't be needed | 00:40 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Is a recurring postback the exact same kind as a transaction completed postback? | 00:45 |
| elnino | haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d24c9add4 - thank you for your time in this.. I'm sure it's a dumb mistake on my part. | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | sorry, meant the site's modproxy | 00:45 |
| elnino | oh. | 00:46 |
| elnino | same pasty | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | so what kind of error are you seeing? | 00:48 |
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| elnino | in my modproxyerr log: [Tue Sep 09 21:09:51 2008] [error] [client 209.162.37.159] proxy: DNS lookup failure for: 67.223.227.84:85 returned by / | 00:49 |
| elnino | I updated the paste so that both sites modproxy files are there. if youwant to see both. | 00:50 |
| @Haarg | you could probably replace everything from # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST down with | 00:50 |
| @Haarg | ProxyPreserveHost On | 00:50 |
| @Haarg | RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://127.0.0.1:8081/$1 [P] | 00:50 |
| elnino | with 8081? or 85? | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | whatever modperl is running on - 8081 | 00:52 |
| elnino | yep, I did not mess with that. | 00:53 |
| elnino | hmm. ok, it's oing to my :80 site. | 00:55 |
| @Haarg | that may be something on the modperl side then | 00:55 |
| elnino | well. I was using 8080 and 8081 but then I found out that you guys are using that, so that is when I switched to 85 and 86. So from what you see, I have everything setup? I'll play with this some more later. I have one thing I want to make sure before taking up more of your time. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction about NameVirtualHosts. | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | it looks basically fine to me. i suspect it is an issue of the servernames on the modperl side | 00:58 |
| SynQ | hmm | 01:02 |
| elnino | yeah.... um.. was I supposed to change the modperl port? or can they remain on the 8081 | 01:02 |
| elnino | I didn't. | 01:02 |
| SynQ | perhaps the 64 bit perl thing has been fixed | 01:02 |
| SynQ | http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/wre-install-on-ubuntu/15#idW-yeFLLknxPzVUwwSbv3uw | 01:05 |
| SynQ | running a test compile with the option added by william on a 32 bit debian etch te verify now | 01:06 |
| elnino | oh.. I'll just creat new host names for these.This is taking more time that its worth. thanks haarg. | 01:07 |
| elnino | haarg: good news: hostnames work great. (read: I'm done now) thanks for your help! | 01:13 |
| SynQ | the 64 bits switch does work on my 32bits debian system | 01:16 |
| SynQ | so that is good news | 01:16 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | If I wanted to test a reoccurring transaction for a subscription, what would be the easiest way to do that? | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Can you set it to reoccur every hour? | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | or every 30 minutes? | 01:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | looks like subscription period can only beas little as a week | 01:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But I don't know if that triggers a new transaction | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | can you backdate a transaction, so that it reoccurs in 30 minutes from now? | 01:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: would that work? Set the subscription to expire in 30 minutes and then spectre will renew it? | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. If the subscription period is weekly, then see if you can lie about the start date, and make it 6 days, 23 hours and 30 minutes ago. | 01:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Do all subscriptions autorenew? | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't know :( | 01:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I don't see how the user can set it to renew or not. | 01:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or how they would cancel it. | 01:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I know exactly what the problem is and just need to do this once to tes.t | 01:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But it has to be a renewal | 01:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hmm, that is weird. If you pay for a subscription it looks like you are in for life :) | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds like another bug | 01:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or until your credit card is no longer valid | 01:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll be back. Have to go take pictures of dad's bulldozer so he can sell it :) | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | How much does he want for it? | 01:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | $30K | 01:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It's in pretty good shape. | 01:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Used it as part of a federal "Make Oklahoma like it was natively" program. | 01:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bbl | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | bye | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: From what I can tell, you get no karma for adding/updating things in the Bazaar. | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | With the new Workflow tests, its coverage is 88.7% | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty respectable | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol! | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | What are you doing awake at this time of the night? | 02:12 |
| BartJol | the one and only | 02:12 |
| BartJol | eeeh, just came home actually, been talking with a friend | 02:13 |
| BartJol | just turned on IRC automatically... | 02:14 |
| BartJol | need help? | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope. | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Just writing tests | 02:15 |
| BartJol | but I was actually testing a voip telephone | 02:16 |
| BartJol | and see how my internet connection would work | 02:16 |
| BartJol | didn'y even had to change tcp/ip settings | 02:16 |
| BartJol | ok, well actually sleeping would be a good plan | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | $bartJol->sleep(8*60*60) | 02:18 |
| BartJol | error-> return"sleep suspended till I closed down laptop" | 02:19 |
| BartJol | but I made my macro more perly today | 02:19 |
| BartJol | that was a good thing, so I'll rest easy | 02:20 |
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| BartJol | goodnight, I hope JT will enjoy his fruit | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ssh! | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ixnay on the uitfray | 02:22 |
| BartJol | er? | 02:22 |
| BartJol | is it you John Wayne, is it me? | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | s/(\w+?)(\w)ay\b/$2$1/g | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | That's a Pig Latin decoder | 02:23 |
| BartJol | mmm, I don't know what $2 and $1 are , but I assume you're right | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, regexp needs some fine tuning for initial double consonants | 02:25 |
| BartJol | have to work on my regexes | 02:25 |
| BartJol | well, goodnight, so long, auf wiedersehen, goodbye | 02:27 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: what's the word? | 03:11 |
| patspam | yo yo! | 03:11 |
| patspam | was wondering how Survey2 is going? | 03:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It is going. But I'm on janitor duties all week, and as you can see from the bug list, I'm busy. | 03:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I specc'd 100 hours to JT. I think I'll come in at 50, he thinks 150. Hopefully we'll find out who was right in the coming week. | 03:12 |
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| patspam | is the branch going to come across anytime soon? | 03:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Merged into the main trunk? | 03:13 |
| patspam | yeah | 03:14 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Not until it is more functional. And in the short term it will become much less functional as it is moved to JSON. But JSON simplifies a lot of the more difficult algorithms, which is why I think it won't take nearly as long as I spec'd. | 03:14 |
| patspam | ah ok, so you've decided that JSON is the way to go? | 03:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I didn't, JT did. preaction had me convinced to give another go at better indexing of the DB. But JT had other reasons for the JSON, largest being packaging and versioning. | 03:15 |
| patspam | yeah i guess it's pretty cool to get versioning for free | 03:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Pretty cool idea though that you could package a survey and deploy it at other sites, even sell it on the bazaaar :P | 03:16 |
| @preaction | but you can get both of those without having to go to JSON, it would just take longer | 03:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You must be deep into JT's mind, because he said that also. | 03:17 |
| patspam | survey2 is moving onto my critical path, so I'll probably start contributing code this week | 03:18 |
| @preaction | i mean, if a non-JSON, versioned, packaged collateral mixin that keeps DB normalization is desired, i can try to whip something up. but i don't think you should wait for me | 03:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If you can let me know more of your timeframe I'll talk to JT and see what's what. | 03:20 |
| @preaction | no need, i don't have one | 03:20 |
| @preaction | it can be migrated to, we've never promised database integrity | 03:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Okay. But if there is anything I can do to make it easier (be realistic) just let me know. | 03:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | All the collat tables are going except for the response ones. | 03:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The Survey table is gaining a couple of columns that the JSON collat will inherit (global settings). | 03:22 |
| @preaction | i'm trying to dream up an API right now, but all i'm getting is $self->getCollateral( "type", "id" ); which i don't like | 03:23 |
| @preaction | it's not $self->getType( id ) | 03:23 |
| dionak | i have a folder containing collab systems. i want to get the latest post from any of the collab systems in the folder. can anyone think of a sql statement that could do this? | 03:33 |
| dionak | or should i try again tomorrow? | 03:33 |
| dionak | i have sql to get the latest post in a collab system already but i don't see how to basically look up the lineage to see if the parent is the folder in question. | 03:34 |
| @preaction | that's one heck of an SQL statement | 03:34 |
| dionak | yea.. | 03:34 |
| dionak | maybe it would make a better macro? | 03:34 |
| @preaction | oh, that's simpler: | 03:34 |
| @preaction | asset.lineage LIKE "<folder's lineage>%" | 03:35 |
| dionak | oh | 03:35 |
| dionak | interesting. i don't really understand the lineage entry. haven't spent any time understanding it. | 03:35 |
| dionak | anywhere i can learn more w/o reading code? or is that simplier? | 03:35 |
| @preaction | the dev guide has a whole chapter on it, if you have one | 03:36 |
| dionak | yes, we picked one up | 03:36 |
| dionak | thanks. i'll read on that tomorrow | 03:36 |
| @preaction | i also wrote that chapter ;-) so it explains what the string means | 03:36 |
| dionak | that's helpful. :) | 03:38 |
| dionak | thanks for taking the time to write about it. | 03:38 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: were you saying there's a new spec doc? | 03:42 |
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| patspam | if so I'd like to have a look so i can start contributing some code | 03:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: no, just a spec for time. How long it would take me to do stuff | 03:42 |
| patspam | ah ok | 03:42 |
| patspam | it's there a TODO list or something? | 03:45 |
| dionak | nice, preaction. thanks! :) | 03:51 |
| dionak | it works. | 03:51 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: http://pastebin.com/d57aea5ab | 05:18 |
| patspam | ah awesome, I was just emailing you :) | 05:18 |
| patspam | I'm hoping to deploy a survey-heavy site by the end of the month, so I'm keen to help wherever i can | 05:19 |
| patspam | I'll use that list as my guide | 05:19 |
| patspam | I might focus on tests until you've done the JSON stuff | 05:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Sounds good. | 05:20 |
| patspam | cool, I'm off for lunch | 05:22 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: koen * r7450 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: added max_join_size=4294967295 to my.cnf to fix warnings at db_install script as quoted in this bug in mysql http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=35346 | 09:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7451 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add default workflow values tests, and promote and demote activity tests | 09:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7452 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow.pm: fix a singlton typo | 09:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: koen * r7453 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/gotcha.txt wre/docs/changelog.txt): updated gotcha and changelog, added innodb support | 09:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7454 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add tests for deleting activities from a workflow | 09:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7455 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add more tests to bring Workflow coverage up to 94% | 09:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7456 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): early work for view EMSBadge template | 09:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7457 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 4 dirs): This has become so much more than I initially anticipated... Now has a template, a framework to build WebGUI::DataSource in the future, and a way to load data via AJAX so that the edit form actually works | 09:41 |
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| patspam | go Doug go! | 10:22 |
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| BartJol | hee Bernd_ | 11:41 |
| Bernd_ | Hi! | 11:41 |
| Bernd_ | So that's my first chat experience! | 11:41 |
| Bernd_ | Great! | 11:41 |
| BartJol | congratulations :) | 11:41 |
| Bernd_ | Are you guys hanging around here all day? | 11:41 |
| BartJol | well, I am mostly | 11:42 |
| Bernd_ | Is that for the distraction? | 11:42 |
| BartJol | well, just to help people | 11:42 |
| BartJol | and get some variation | 11:42 |
| Bernd_ | I imagine this is a good way to prevent oneself from doing the things one is supposed to do. | 11:42 |
| Bernd_ | At least that is true in my case. | 11:43 |
| BartJol | but the Americans come online at 3 or 4 in the afternoon | 11:43 |
| Bernd_ | I should have worked on something else this morning. | 11:43 |
| BartJol | it can be... | 11:43 |
| Bernd_ | Alright. I have seen some already yesterday when I did my first tests. | 11:43 |
| Bernd_ | I plan to hang around in the chat now routinely. | 11:43 |
| Bernd_ | It is a bit more personal than the discussion board. | 11:44 |
| Bernd_ | But let me go to work now. | 11:44 |
| Bernd_ | I need to pick up my daughter soon. That means I need to get a few things done. | 11:44 |
| Bernd_ | See you later! | 11:45 |
| BartJol | Spater | 11:45 |
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| BartJol | MrHairgrease: up to a weafdr? I have an appointment at 18.30 for dinner | 16:39 |
| BartJol | so there | 16:39 |
| BartJol | is not much time | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 16:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Google translate translates 'weafdr' to 'weafdr'. | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | let's skip it for today | 16:39 |
| BartJol | perlmonkey2: it isn't Dutch | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | yesterday i did the km kroegentocht | 16:40 |
| BartJol | aaah | 16:40 |
| BartJol | weafdr=wednesday afternoon drink | 16:41 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | howdy | 16:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What's is the dutch word for 'type' like a font type? | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | lettertype | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | letter == character | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | type == type | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | only we pronounce type like teepuh | 16:51 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Hmm, yeah, the joke doesn't work unless type can be used in multiple senses. | 16:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's the joke then? | 16:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Two fonts walk into a bar, the bartender says "Get out, we don't serve your type in here." | 16:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | well I suppose that it could work in Dutch if you'd use the word font. | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | provided that the joke is actually funny =) | 16:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah, that's where I ended up with google translate, using the same word for both. | 16:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can use the word type also in the same way as you just did | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | referring to a type of person | 16:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Two letertypens walked into a bar and the bartender says they don't serve your lettertypen in here? | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | it would be something like | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | Two letertypen walked into a bar and the bartender says they don't serve your type in here | 16:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, so the problem was google translate not guessing the correct sense of the word I was translating. | 16:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 16:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | wow, a ML failing to translate correctly, how strange :P | 16:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | MT I mean | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | MT? | 16:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | machine translator | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | apparently it doesn't run webgui | 16:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | speaking of webgui, perhaps I should figure out what is up with reoccurring transactions before Haard kills me. | 17:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s/ard/arg/ | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh that | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | my guess it is in the subscription sku | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | the process part | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's where the user is readded to the group | 17:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes, I've found the problem...it is grabbing the current user id. Which in a postback is the default, ie visitor :) | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | aha | 17:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But coming up with a test is.....more difficult. | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | i borked that | 17:02 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | you did? | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | well i made it | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | the problem was that the recurring transaction is impossible to test using the testing framework of Itransact | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | since they don't offer and XID other than 9999 or so | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I tested it as good as I could | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | by constructing manual requests | 17:03 |
| * SDuensin needs recurring...soon! :-P | 17:03 | |
| +MrHairgrease | but of course in those test I was logged in as myself | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | so at that time it worked | 17:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yes, very difficult problem to catch. | 17:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Not the kind of thing anyone would catch. | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | i always test code i commit as good as i can | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | but even the eurotrash is fallible =) | 17:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, eurocodeninja | 17:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I saw the graphics presentation. I know all about your ninja skillz | 17:05 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Hah, in ITransact/processReoccurringTransaction, I should just make sure that the session user is the same as the transaction user's account. Could there be any harm in that? | 17:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It grants the postback an unauthenticated session. But only after it has alternatively authenticated by knowing the XID. | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's true | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can pull the user out of the transaction log | 17:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The Subscription doesn't seem to have any easy access to get the transaction uid. | 17:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Such an easy fix it *almost* doesn't need to be tested :D | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | Can't you use Transaction->newByGatewayId? | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then pull the user out of the Transaction | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 17:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm not that familiar with shop, I'll look. | 17:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That is already used to get the baseTransaction | 17:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | which is duped to get the new transaction | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | you'll have to pass the userId to Subscription->apply | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | so subscvription doesn't need to now the transaction | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | right? | 17:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if no user is passed to subscription it uses the session user | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me check something out | 17:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so I could just $session->user($$option{$originalUserId}); | 17:17 |
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| danny_mk | Hello everyone | 17:18 |
| BartJol | hi | 17:18 |
| danny_mk | I can't believe Perl does not have a 2.0 OpenId library yet! | 17:18 |
| danny_mk | Been waiting for OpenId::Consumer for a while but it does not seem like Brad will update the module anytime soon | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlmonkey2 | 17:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | danny_mk: Is he taking volunteers :D | 17:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | WG::A::Sku::Subscrtion::onCompletePurchase is being passed the TransactionItem | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | in there you should get the userId out of that | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and pass that into the $self->apply over there | 17:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that method only grabs $self, nothing else? | 17:20 |
| danny_mk | wish he was, I don't have enought experience to help him out | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1dca4445 | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | something like that | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's only example code of course | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's the idea | 17:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right on....are you user the transaction will have the correct userid? I think that is a new transaction which grabs the uid from session. | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | well in that case | 17:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no, you were right. It creates a new transaction object by grabbing * from the transaction table, which contains the UID. | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | fetch the originating Id | 17:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | woot! | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | well, i'm happy i did most thing well =) | 17:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm happy you were able to quickly diagnose a solution ;) | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | no problem | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | now, how much karma do i get for that =) | 17:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | how much do you want? | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | how much does plainblack cost | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | that amount times hunderd please =) | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | never mind the karma | 17:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i have enough anyway | 17:28 |
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| danny_mk | perlmonkey2: http://brad.livejournal.com/ if you can get him to answer you I would definitely love to find out his progress for OpenId 2.0 | 17:32 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | danny_mk: That guy sounds a little busy. | 17:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Maybe you can take over the project or offer patches? | 17:36 |
| danny_mk | lord have mercy, I just got a new job in wich I have to polish my c++ skills plus I am supporting three websites | 17:37 |
| danny_mk | hmmm.... where do I find the time? | 17:37 |
| danny_mk | I also volunteered to write a chat wobject for webgui | 17:37 |
| danny_mk | which to this day I still have not started | 17:38 |
| danny_mk | but I think it would be great for webgui | 17:38 |
| SDuensin | I hear ya, danny_mk - I'm up to my nose in projects. :-) | 17:39 |
| danny_mk | I really would love to get to that chat wobject for webgui | 17:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ajax chat with all logged in users/vistors. That would be great. | 17:39 |
| danny_mk | yes | 17:39 |
| danny_mk | I wrote some auction software using catalyst and integrated the authentication with webgui | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | I can see a lot of uses for a chat wobject | 17:40 |
| @preaction | i have an ajax chat wobject thingy already, if you want that | 17:49 |
| @preaction | it's more of a shoutbox | 17:49 |
| @preaction | but it is ajax | 17:49 |
| @preaction | i can package it up and put it on the bazaar tonight | 17:49 |
| danny_mk | bazaar? | 17:50 |
| @preaction | the new Get Add Ons | 17:50 |
| @preaction | on webgui.org | 17:50 |
| danny_mk | Ah, OK | 17:51 |
| danny_mk | Put it out there, I will get it sometime this week | 17:53 |
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| BartJol | will tavisto will be in da house today? | 18:15 |
| BartJol | he is | 18:15 |
| @tavisto | im here | 18:15 |
| @tavisto | Bart I just sent you an email reply.. Are you interested in attending a webinar today @ 2pm EDT (GMT -4) | 18:16 |
| BartJol | at what times are the weekly webinars normally? | 18:16 |
| @tavisto | 2pm Eastern.. However I adjust them for attendees if they are overseas | 18:16 |
| BartJol | cool | 18:16 |
| @tavisto | I think I've got 3-4 people from a Belgium shipping/logistics company | 18:17 |
| BartJol | timezones confuse me? | 18:17 |
| @tavisto | that will be attending today.. Although the guy said it would be like 9pm for them.. they said it was fine | 18:17 |
| BartJol | oh, ok, not sure whether I'll be back home by then] | 18:18 |
| @tavisto | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ | 18:18 |
| @tavisto | that's a great webpage to keep track of times | 18:18 |
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| BartJol | nine would be correct | 18:19 |
| @tavisto | it's 5:18pm in amsterdam and 11:18 here in Michigan | 18:19 |
| @tavisto | actually that seems like it's only 6 hours difference | 18:19 |
| BartJol | oh, then it will be 20.00 here, not gonna make that | 18:19 |
| BartJol | yeah, wisconsin is one hour more... | 18:20 |
| @tavisto | ah yep | 18:20 |
| BartJol | too bad, when will the next be? | 18:20 |
| BartJol | next week.... | 18:20 |
| @tavisto | well I'll confirm the time with these guys in belgium and I'll see what's up. If they can't make today then we can schedule one at a more convenient time for you all | 18:21 |
| BartJol | well I just wanna learn from your excellent explaning talents | 18:21 |
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| @tavisto | :) | 18:22 |
| BartJol | and of course I do appreciate your concerns for me, don't give them too much credits, I will find a way | 18:22 |
| @tavisto | alright well I will let you know when the next one is | 18:22 |
| BartJol | thanks! | 18:22 |
| @tavisto | yep no prob | 18:22 |
| BartJol | now I have to drink a beer with martin | 18:22 |
| @tavisto | hah... yes you do. | 18:23 |
| @tavisto | give him my best. | 18:23 |
| BartJol | priorities | 18:23 |
| BartJol | oh and sarah and some friends also might plan to come here in spring | 18:23 |
| BartJol | I will | 18:24 |
| BartJol | just a fyi | 18:25 |
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| SDuensin | What log should I dig in to find out why an RSS feed isn't loading? I can't find anything. | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuesin, you mean isn't being loaded by WebGUI, or isn't being loaded by the Syndicate Content wobject? | 18:36 |
| SDuensin | I think the wobject. What I have is a blog that I'm moving the latest 5 posts to the front page... | 18:37 |
| SDuensin | The front page is empty. | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the blog is also from WebGUI, via the CS? | 18:37 |
| SDuensin | Yes. And the rss URL is valid in the syndicate WO. | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if you use the RSS url in another reader it works okay? | 18:38 |
| SDuensin | I hit it with wget and it came right up. | 18:39 |
| SDuensin | It was working. It stopped when I moved the site from one box to another. | 18:39 |
| SDuensin | DNS and such all seems happy. | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Is the sitename hardcoded in the URL for the SC wobject? | 18:39 |
| SDuensin | Yes | 18:39 |
| SDuensin | I have this: http://www.cloudcircle.com/system-news/system-news-blog.rss | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and those posts should show up here: http://www.cloudcircle.com? | 18:40 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Under "Latest News". | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | And it doesn't work, even if you log in as Admin | 18:41 |
| SDuensin | Nope. | 18:41 |
| SDuensin | Like I said, it did, until I moved the site. | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | You moved the uploads directory as well? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | are you using database cache, file cache or no cache? | 18:43 |
| SDuensin | The entire /data folder. Just picked the whole works up and moved it to a new box. | 18:43 |
| SDuensin | Cleared my cache after the move. No idea what I have. Whatever the WRE uses. | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | cache is file cache in the default webgui config | 18:44 |
| SDuensin | Updated my hosts file, my DNS, crontab, etc. Everybody resolves correctly (from a prompt at least). | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | can you get other rss feeds ok? | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Not tried. That's the only one I have. Lemme go bang /. or something in there. | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | That worked. Lemme nuke it and recreate the WO | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Wait! | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | Waiting! | 18:48 |
| topsub | when you make a my $form = webGUI::HTMLForm-> object and you go to $form->print does that call close the form? Anyone know.. I can't find it doing it but it seesm it is | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Please create a package of that SC wobject, so that we can look at it and see what's up. | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Post it as a bug. | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and include the CS in that package, if you can. | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | The what? | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | Oh. | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | Duh. | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | seems most likely that it is a server config problem, but it always helps to have more test information | 18:49 |
| SDuensin | More information? Want a tarball of the entire site? :-P | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, no, I think it only prints whatever methods you have called on it. | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, sure, with passwords and usernames | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | credit card info optional | 18:49 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | more information as in the packages as pD said :) | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, I'm wrong | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | it will close the form | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | When you call new, it makes a footer | 18:50 |
| @Haarg | also, if you haven't cleared the webgui cache you can try that | 18:50 |
| SDuensin | I did, Haarg | 18:50 |
| * SDuensin is trying to remember how to package | 18:51 | |
| topsub | Ah yes i see it now in New, thanks perlDreamer | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | edit -> metadata -> make package? | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | then export in the asset manager | 18:51 |
| SDuensin | Ah. Thanks. | 18:51 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - How do you want me to file this bug? | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Just describe what you did. Made a CS with RSS, made a SC to talk to it, move both to another site. Breakage. | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | attach the packages to the ticket | 18:55 |
| SDuensin | Will do. | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and then say that you want perlmonkey2 to fix it, since he's our best bug fixer | 18:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 18:56 |
| SDuensin | Filed. | 19:00 |
| SDuensin | FYI, recreating the SC didn't fix it. | 19:04 |
| @Haarg | the SC you posted works as is, and if i import the CS and point it to use that it still works | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | That's good. Should be easier to test. | 19:04 |
| @Haarg | so it has to be a server issue of some sort | 19:04 |
| SDuensin | That's my feeling. | 19:04 |
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| SDuensin | Spectre have a log somewhere? | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | so if you do a wget or curl of the url on the server itself it gets the right content? | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | spectre logs in webgui.log | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | Yep. wget worked fine. | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | Ooo - errors. :-) | 19:06 |
| SDuensin | 2008/09/10 11:04:03 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::new[1616] - Asset constructor new() requires an assetId. | 19:06 |
| SDuensin | 2008/09/10 11:04:03 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::processTemplate[2085] - Can't instantiate template for asset 2aSuSUjYINUOpB6nLTHaMA | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | What is that asset? | 19:06 |
| SDuensin | That's the SC | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | select a.className, d.url from asset as a join assetData as d on a.assetId=d.assetId; | 19:07 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix POD spacing | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | ah, so it's a busted template | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Damn perlDreamer - you pull that outta your ASCII? | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I have typed that so many times it's not funny | 19:08 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 19:08 |
| SDuensin | What is that telling me? 781 rows. | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | select a.className, d.url from asset as a join assetData as d on a.assetId=d.assetId where a.assetId='2aSuSUjYINUOpB6nLTHaMA'; | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, forgot the where clause; | 19:09 |
| SDuensin | 4 rows. | 19:09 |
| SDuensin | Which makes sense. | 19:09 |
| * SDuensin remembers when assetId was less insane... 1, 2, 3, etc. :-) | 19:10 | |
| SDuensin | ACK! It just showed up! | 19:10 |
| SDuensin | Magic! | 19:10 |
| SDuensin | Guess I didn't press "Save" enough before. | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | actually, i think i tested it a bit wrong - if i import the package and view it directly it pukes | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | but that's because i don't have your template | 19:12 |
| SDuensin | It's just a copy of the original template with the content whacked out. | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | does it work the same if you use one of the default templates? | 19:19 |
| SDuensin | Not sure now, since it started working. However, when I set up a test SC with a different feed, I used the same template and it worked. | 19:19 |
| @Haarg | the SC code is so confusing to read through, hard to tell if it is a template issue or a problem requesting the content | 19:19 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix POD spacing | 19:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7459 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Reoccurring transactions now use the correct user id | 19:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7460 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 19:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/updates-to-conf-files | 19:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/wremonitor-doesnt-say-which-site-generated-an-error | 19:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/perl-module-module-exceptionclass-is-not-included-in-wre | 19:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Can someone with high enough admin permissions check and see if Visitor has rights to create new PB wiki entries? | 19:46 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, they shouldn't | 19:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hmm, well that one seems difficult and I've just switched to focusing on the easy ones :D | 19:48 |
| @rizen | are you talking about the wiki post thing | 19:49 |
| @rizen | it's a template change | 19:49 |
| @rizen | there needs to be a variable on whether you can post or not | 19:49 |
| @rizen | and if you don't have rights | 19:49 |
| @rizen | then hide the edit screen | 19:49 |
| @rizen | it's very easy | 19:50 |
| @rizen | the problem right now is that no matter who you are and what the privileges of the wiki are | 19:50 |
| @rizen | everyone can see the edit tab | 19:50 |
| @rizen | and start using it | 19:50 |
| @rizen | but then you get pretty pissed off when you find out everything you just typed gets thrown away | 19:51 |
| @rizen | cuz you don't have privileges to post | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | rizen ! | 19:51 |
| @rizen | SD! | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Dude, you see Cappuccino yet? | 19:51 |
| @rizen | no idea what you're talking about | 19:51 |
| @rizen | is it a movie? | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | WHAT?! | 19:52 |
| @rizen | a piece of software? | 19:52 |
| @rizen | a tasty beverage? | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | Man! It's what you want to put your desktop stuff in WebGUI! | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | Screw the ZKDesktop I wrote. This is better. :-) | 19:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: Who should I ask to update the PB template then? Or do you trust me to only slightly bork it up? | 19:52 |
| @rizen | there is no pb template | 19:53 |
| @rizen | it's just the wiki template | 19:53 |
| @rizen | fix webgui first | 19:53 |
| @rizen | worry about whether pb.com is fucked up later | 19:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | k | 19:53 |
| @rizen | nevermind SD, i have seen it | 19:55 |
| @rizen | i just forgot | 19:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: patspam has a bug with the Thingy's intslider not being adjustable in its start, end, or range. Since that wasn't spec'd shoudl we move it to RFE or is it a bug? | 19:55 |
| * SDuensin smacks rizen | 19:55 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | Sounds like a bug to me, but it wasn't spec'd. | 19:56 |
| @rizen | rfe | 19:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: are you saying that WB's own RSS doens't work with the SC? Or just on your packaged instance? | 20:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s/WB/WG/ | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - It didn't work. Then it magically started to. | 20:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: so is this a closed bug or do I need to attempt a replication? | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | I'd close it. | 20:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You didn't change anything? | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | Nothing. | 20:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It just started workign? | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | Yep. | 20:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | maybe a network issue? | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | Or the moon moved. | 20:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, maybe I shoudl give it a try to make sure. | 20:05 |
| @preaction | or the Hourly Maintenance Tasks workflow started and updated the SC's cache | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | I thought of that, preaction, but I had used the Schedule thing in the admin panel to run them all after I moved the site. | 20:07 |
| @preaction | iirc the RSS feeds don't get updated until the cache gets deleted, also the activity makes sure to not keep hammering 404'd RSS feeds | 20:08 |
| @preaction | ha! apparently if you leave the action="" in a <form> empty, firefox uses the URL you're currently on | 20:09 |
| @preaction | with the query string intact | 20:09 |
| @preaction | looks like IE does it too | 20:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: worked instantly for me | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just changed the url to 127.0.01 | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | must have been a network issue | 20:11 |
| SDuensin | I tried that, too. Weird. | 20:11 |
| * SDuensin is still betting on the moon. | 20:11 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | your email uid/pwd were packaged also | 20:11 |
| SDuensin | That's probably bad. | 20:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, 2-1 on the mon | 20:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | moon | 20:12 |
| * perlmonkey2 shuts his mouth before he adds *more* bugs | 20:12 | |
| SDuensin | Nuke that package then, ko? | 20:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sure | 20:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | still there? | 20:13 |
| SDuensin | Yup | 20:13 |
| * SDuensin is a professional lurker | 20:13 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | I guess asking on IRC if anyone is there isn't the best way to make sure your internet is up. Power went out for half a second | 20:15 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 20:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | file nuked :) | 20:16 |
| SDuensin | Thanks | 20:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Normally I'd say it was nothing, but now that I live in the sticks, I'm dodging power outages, internet outages and rabid squirrels. | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Two of those can be fixed, you know. | 20:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Although since I live in the sticks there will be no city ordinances against my winter project of building the 7 meter 1KW wind turbines and placing them as high as I can find affordable towers. | 20:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | power and which other can be fixed? | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | rabid squirrels can be fixed | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but you have to be a veterinarian to do it | 20:19 |
| @preaction | by fixed you mean killed | 20:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | living in the sticks also means no gun ordinances. I didn't realize I'd have neighbors who would blast away with their hand guns all evening | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | No, by fixed I mean neutered. | 20:20 |
| @preaction | but they're still rabid | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | that's ok, at least they can't breed | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and for a few days they'll be totally out of commission | 20:21 |
| @preaction | rabid animals don't breed, they bite | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I see | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so they should see a dentist instead | 20:21 |
| @preaction | my logic is relentless and unyeilding! i shall win! | 20:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 3KW of wind turbines averaging half their power should make put me in the black with the power company. This is going to be the coolest project ever. | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2 is a utility? | 20:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I hope to be one by this Spring :D | 20:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | although I think I only get $.015KW/h | 20:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | better than nothing I guess. | 20:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I pay $.13/KW/h | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | $0.015KW/h is $0.36 KW/d which is about $9 KW/m | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | about two two Starbucks | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 1/2 pizza | 20:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But being completely renewable? Priceless | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Initial expenses for turbines and towers? | 20:30 |
| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: will PB pay for your wind turbines? | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | $15-20 K$? | 20:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Having an excuse to uptool my little wood/metal shop? Double priceless | 20:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: no way man. Biggest expense is the towers which are whatever you can find used. | 20:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | next biggest expense is magnets, about $200 for a 7 meter turbine | 20:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | then of course a ton of tonn turning blades and cutting metal and laying resin. | 20:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s/tonn/time/ | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you're going to build the turbines? | 20:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: well just buying them would be boring and not cost effective. Total luxury item. | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | You are a monster | 20:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bopbop: I think there is a stipend if you are 50% green or something. rizen woudl remember. | 20:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, how so? | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Building turbines from scratch. | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Definitely monster level | 20:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, they won't exactly be commercial grade | 20:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the only part that scares me is turning the blades. | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | You'll have to document your project, and submit it to Make magazine when you're done | 20:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Make is where I'll be getting directions :P | 20:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I have a friend who put his turbine on hold after the magnets cracked his finger. | 20:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What does it mean to buy a conference? Purchase a badge? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | No clue. | 20:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Ug, net gain of 2 bugs since Monday. | 20:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I mean net removal. | 20:42 |
| topsub | Would it be possible to take the admin console and break it up into section tabs? | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, can you help me close a bug? | 20:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sure, give me 2 seconds to finish closing one myself | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll grab some water and brb | 20:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay | 20:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I meant literally 2 seconds :P | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I'm working on the gama template bug for the EMS | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but I don't know how to setup the EMS to test it | 21:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, and my local EMS is missing the badge template | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that's because I haven't checked it in yet :( | 21:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 21:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | glad I gave up on the other ems bug I was going to do :P | 21:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | j/s let me look back over that bug | 21:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Would a default instance of an EMS work? | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, I'm EMS ignorant | 21:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | then try to create the badge which should load the template? | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and the template is checked in now | 21:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, I'll play with it | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | the template id is wrong in the EMSBadge | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's fixed now. | 21:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Oh, you are done with the bug? | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | No. | 21:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hah, I was trying to figure out how to import the package from the CL | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you need templateFiler.pl :) | 21:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I see the add a badge page | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | If I understand this correctly, you need to add a badge, and then buy one to see the template. | 21:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | can't instantiate template | 21:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, it goes in the ems folder right? | 21:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | when I imported the package it went into home | 21:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | had to move it | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | home? | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that's bad | 21:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, and I guess my version of the EMS won't have that template in the def | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | If you svn up it will fix that template Id problem | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | on my system, the template showed up in the Import node | 21:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | isn't the import node a bad place for it? | 21:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Shoudln't it be the EMS folder? | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Not always | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | there are several templates in there now | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | might be a bug/issue with importing via packages | 21:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, I blew away my old ems, added a new, and still get the can't instantiate tempalte | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I forgot to commit the upgrade script to add the column to the EMSBadge table | 21:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | it isn't in the module you updated | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope. | 21:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | PBEmsBadge should also be in the def, shoudln't it? | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | So is this: $session->db->write('ALTER TABLE EMSBadge ADD COLUMN templateId VARCHAR(22) NOT NULL'); | 21:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Ut oh, here comes trouble | 21:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Are you going to commit these new changes? | 21:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or should I add them in my instance? | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, right after I test them :) | 21:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer, shouldn't that column be BINARY | 21:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it isn't it will not be case sensitive | 21:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | assetId's are now binary? | 21:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | they should | 21:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I just did a test on Article's assetId which is VARCHAR(22) and it is case sensitive | 21:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | well, long long ago I sent this mail to the dev list | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6dead228 | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | It was a 'real' mailinglist back then, so you won't find it in the dev forum | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | I sent that sept 1st 2005, so maybe mysql's behaviour has changed | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | binary it is | 21:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I wonder if the utf8 collation is what changed things. | 21:34 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7461 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add default ems badge template | 21:34 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7462 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm: update default ems badge template id | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | there is some upgrade script that actually altered all tables in webgui | 21:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Because at least in my instance [HEAD] VARCHAR is case sensitive. | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe utf-8 is case sensitive | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's $session->db->write('ALTER TABLE EMSBadge ADD COLUMN templateId BINARY(22) NOT NULL'); | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | nonono | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | or is BINARY a field for VARCHAR? | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's something like | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | ALTER TABLE EMSBadge ADD COLUMN templateId VARCHAR(22) BINARY NOT NULL | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | LTER TABLE EMSBadge ADD COLUMN templateId varchar(22) NOT NULL BINARY | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | something like that | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | diner | 21:36 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | looks like binary might be a better choice, I don't know. Many mysql string functions default to case insensitive unless one column is binary. | 21:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But that might be a pain the rear if you want to search on a 'like' and you expect it to be case insensitive. | 21:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but equavalence is case sensitive. | 21:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm guessing you have it under control and no longer need my questionable help? | 21:40 |
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| +MrHaigrease | so, how do i find out who gave me karma | 21:44 |
| +MrHaigrease | I got an email from info@pb.com | 21:44 |
| +MrHaigrease | but it doesn't tell me who gave it | 21:44 |
| +MrHaigrease | just Thanks | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, I'll try and do my best. Thanks for letting me know that the template stuff wasn't ready yet. | 21:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | MrHaigrease: it will tell you in the next update | 22:01 |
| +MrHaigrease | ok nice | 22:01 |
| +MrHaigrease | later | 22:03 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: having any luck? Want me to try to run through it agaain? | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | badly broken templating and HTML | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | still hacking on it | 22:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | lots of templating bugs in the list. Maybe we need some design staffers to stomp on them? | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I can finish this one up. Just foobars from a command line geek. | 22:06 |
| * perlDreamer lunches | 22:07 | |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7463 /wrebuild/wre/ (sbin/wreupgrade.pl var/upgrades/upgrade_0.8.4-0.8.5.pl): bugfixing upgrade process | 22:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | func=unsubscribe?userId=userId would be okay to use as the unsubscribe url of a CS post update email/ | 22:39 |
| @Haarg | what kind of verification would you be doing? | 22:43 |
| @Haarg | seems like you would have to go with the option of allowing the user to log in | 22:44 |
| @Haarg | since user ids are discoverable | 22:44 |
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| topsub | for some reason this javascript file when i put it inside webgui and try to include it its crashes.. but when i stream it from another server it works.. how can i debug where its dying at? | 22:50 |
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| topsub | this is the page from another server.. http://jquery.bassistance.de/validate/jquery.validate.js | 22:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | topsub: are you using firebug? | 22:52 |
| topsub | yep | 22:52 |
| topsub | trying to see if the url of the asset got foobar'd | 22:53 |
| topsub | but i go directly to the asset and click more>> view | 22:53 |
| topsub | and still locks up it seems | 22:53 |
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| topsub | if i go to the asset to try and view it locks up | 22:55 |
| topsub | but if i add "?func=edit" it allows me to edit the asset.. | 22:56 |
| topsub | the snippet is set to text/javascript | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | topsub: i missed the start of this, but you are trying to add that jquery.validate.js file to your site as a snippet? | 22:58 |
| topsub | correct | 22:58 |
| topsub | i have it in there but there is an issue with using it from webgui it seems | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason you don't want to have it as a file instead? | 22:59 |
| topsub | hmmm, not there isn't.. It is just a lib file. shoudn't have to change it | 23:00 |
| topsub | Should adding it as a file stop the issue of using it in a template? | 23:01 |
| @Haarg | i'm thinking the problem is due to the macro parser | 23:01 |
| topsub | streaming it from the other sie it works but trying add it as a snippet and just do a javascript include int he template locks up the page | 23:01 |
| @Haarg | i would recommend having it as a file if only for performance reasons | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | the macro parser may be choking on the regexes in the file, which look similar to macro calls | 23:03 |
| topsub | ah | 23:05 |
| topsub | should i post that as a bug or something? | 23:05 |
| topsub | Would there be a fix for that? | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | well, i'm actually going to work on rewriting the macro parsing code next week | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | but file a bug for it because it would provide a good test case | 23:08 |
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| topsub | Alright | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do we even have macro test cases in the test suite? | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean for parsing | 23:14 |
| @Haarg | i don't know | 23:14 |
| @Haarg | we have something i believe | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | but it's not very comprehensive | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see if I can't throw some time that way | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have specific ideas in mind that you'd want added? | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | well, the important part is the handling of nested macros | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | macros inside macro calls | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | macros returned by macro calls | 23:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If all I want to do is return "You must log in" but want it wrapped in WG style, am I going to have to create a whole template for that? | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | maybe even macros assembled my multiple macro calls, although i have no problem breaking that if it currently works | 23:16 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2 no | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, check out Session->Privileges for some ideas | 23:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: cool thanks | 23:17 |
| @rizen | just return $session->privilege->noaccess | 23:17 |
| @Haarg | *by | 23:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nice | 23:17 |
| topsub | haarg added the bug.. Hope i put enough information in there for ya | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | should be fine | 23:32 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7464 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm: Must have accidently deleted a semicolon | 23:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7465 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Users are now prompted to log in, if not logged in, when clicking on an unsubscribe CS email link | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: template debugged, now I'm working on the Template Help | 00:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | pgroovy | 00:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Is this really a bug? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/syndicated-content-grouped-feeds#piQmUJO6ea88FJ5LKfeulg | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | No, it's an rfe | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | It's one opinion vs another, so that's why I think that. | 00:22 |
| hightekvagabond1 | yeah, my desired behavior would be different then his, I'd rather see it just sort the two feeds together by date and give me the first 8 | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | No, they should be interleaved using a custom, user defined weighting algorithm :) | 00:25 |
| hightekvagabond1 | Tinkerbell should choose them all | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | That's even better, we don't have to code anything! | 00:29 |
| hightekvagabond1 | yep, just catch a faeries | 00:29 |
| hightekvagabond1 | s/s$// | 00:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | because in the bug's described algorithm what happens when one of the feeds is short of the required number. How is the extra slot(s) allocated? | 00:30 |
| hightekvagabond1 | well, in the description given, thats the point, if the first feed had been less then 8, then some of the second feed would of been put in..... which is what he wants | 00:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right, but if you have 9 slots, 3 feeds, and one of hte feeds only has 2 stories, how is its extra slot allocated? | 00:31 |
| hightekvagabond1 | feed the slots to the faeries, they don't work for free you know ! | 00:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, well I'll look and see how hard it would be to change | 00:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | And that shall decide if it is an RFE or bug :P | 00:34 |
| hightekvagabond1 | That should be your process for everything posted to bugs..... if it's a lot of work it must be a Feature (standard Microsoft philosophy) and there by not a bug so it shall be moved to RFE | 00:35 |
| hightekvagabond1 | hmmmm.... I wonder if that concept would work with MY clients ;) | 00:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Well, this one is quenstionable since the spec doesn't say. | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | hightekvagabond1, I though you didn't have clients anymore? Sold your company? | 00:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So a request for specific functionality has been posted in the bug list. | 00:36 |
| hightekvagabond1 | I've sold 6 companies.... I'm on number 7 ;) | 00:36 |
| hightekvagabond1 | Most of my clients now are all Joint Venture clients | 00:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | investors | 00:37 |
| hightekvagabond1 | not exactly | 00:37 |
| hightekvagabond1 | those come later | 00:37 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7466 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): finish adding the EMS Badge template | 00:58 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7467 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backporting templated EMS badge bug fix from HEAD | 00:58 |
| hightekvagabond1 | My clients mostly come to me with a concept and no technical resources to get them done, I refine their business plan and use my developers and designers to knock out the project then take part ownership in the project.... when the development of the website is done and we are ready to launch then we talk to investors because they come in and give us the money we need for advertising and to pay me back for the out of pocket | 01:00 |
| hightekvagabond1 | I evaluate possible joint venture clients based on the merit of their idea, their business contacts, and their ability to sell it to an investor | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Is everything you do perl based? | 01:01 |
| hightekvagabond1 | yep | 01:01 |
| hightekvagabond1 | Pretty much everything I've done for the last 15 years has been perl based, I see no reason to change now | 01:01 |
| hightekvagabond1 | your handle always makes me snicker because I always used to say that I dream in Perl and Apache configs.... then I went to the first Perl Conference and one of the quotes on the slides before the keynote talk was Larry Wall saying "I Dream in Perl" and I got very excited and said "ME TOO" so loud that everyone around me laughed | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I would love to do perl full time. | 01:03 |
| hightekvagabond1 | so would I, but I spend half my time doing business meetings | 01:03 |
| hightekvagabond1 | Anyways.... mostly all that babble was to answer you and perlmonkey2 because the two of you seemed to have some slight confusion over what I really do :) | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, you've spoken extensively about frog flinging and a previous company that built a perl CMS | 01:05 |
| hightekvagabond1 | I know one of the projects thats launching for us soon is going to be a hosting company that includes WebGui in it's offering | 01:05 |
| hightekvagabond1 | Frog Flinging is just a hobby, I bought a small interest in a games company that works at Ren Fest and so I run one of the 15 booths they have out there every year | 01:06 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7468 /WebGUI/t/i18n/help.t: do not check each help label multiple times | 02:14 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7469 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/i18n/help.t: backporting i18n/help.t performance enhancement | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | 60% faster test time for that one | 02:14 |
| @preaction | nice | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems impossible that we have 5000 actual tests | 02:17 |
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| elnino | Hello! Looking to upgrade to 7.5, Did the "Thingy" actually replace the "DataForm"? or will the two reside peacefully together for a couple versions? | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Thingy replaced SQL Form | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | DataForm will be around for a while | 02:31 |
| elnino | ok. Thanks! | 02:32 |
| hightekvagabond1 | Calling a Thingy by the name "Thingy" makes me snicker | 02:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/image-enlargement-on-products#rH-w_IXum3qZR0Btc8dn_g Looks like someone was trying to use the <spam> tag which I hear isn't going to be introduced until XHMLT3.0 | 02:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | DOH :p | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds like a job for tab/meg/jon | 02:40 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7470 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: Test a few more corner cases for effective 100% coverage | 02:50 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7470 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: Test a few more corner cases for effective 100% coverage | 03:22 |
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| topsub | hey guys i got this error when we upgraded to 7.5.20 i believe from 7.5.19 http://pastebin.com/m6ffdf851 | 04:19 |
| topsub | i added WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::GalleryAlbum to the file and so far seems to be working again. but thought i would just give a heads up | 04:19 |
| @preaction | topsub, you should probably post that as a bug, along with your fix | 04:21 |
| @preaction | the GalleryAlbum class should be preloaded really, but we should still fix it | 04:22 |
| +cap10morgan | i have a question about webgui + ldap | 04:35 |
| +cap10morgan | it's not working for me, and it appears to be because the base for all my account lookup queries is "" (empty) | 04:35 |
| +cap10morgan | but it should be "dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org" | 04:35 |
| +cap10morgan | but nothing i've tried seems to work to get that in there | 04:35 |
| +cap10morgan | i tried setting the ldap url to ldap://ldap1.publicinterestnetwork.org/dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org | 04:36 |
| +cap10morgan | but that doesn't work | 04:36 |
| +cap10morgan | any other ideas? | 04:36 |
| +cap10morgan | everything else i'm pointing at ldap works, so i know it's not the server | 04:36 |
| @khenn | you need to set the base in the LDAP link properties | 04:47 |
| @khenn | you probably have the LDAP link configured incorrectly | 04:47 |
| +cap10morgan | khenn: that's what i'm talking about | 05:44 |
| +cap10morgan | there's no "ldap search base" box in there | 05:44 |
| +cap10morgan | so how do you set it? | 05:44 |
| +cap10morgan | according to everything i've read, that's how you specify the search dn in the uri | 06:07 |
| +cap10morgan | and the webgui code in LDAP.pm uses $uri->dn for the search base | 06:08 |
| +cap10morgan | but it still doesn't work | 06:08 |
| +cap10morgan | every other system uses that as the base and it works | 06:08 |
| +cap10morgan | when i try to login w/ that, i get "Invalid DN Syntax (34)" as the error | 06:10 |
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| +cap10morgan | figured it out by reading the code some more. i needed to set the "User RDN" value to "dn" | 06:49 |
| +cap10morgan | which i never would have guessed if not for reading the code | 06:49 |
| +cap10morgan | seems like that might be a good thing to put in the documentation? | 06:50 |
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| Bernd__ | BartJol: Hey Bart, how is it going? | 13:40 |
| BartJol | hi Bernd__ I'm fine, just had lunch | 13:43 |
| Bernd__ | Found any victims today? | 13:43 |
| BartJol | victims? no | 13:44 |
| BartJol | not yet | 13:44 |
| BartJol | will you be my first? | 13:44 |
| Bernd__ | Alright. What am I supposed to ask? | 13:45 |
| BartJol | something obvious | 13:45 |
| Bernd__ | Hm. What did you have for lunch? | 13:46 |
| BartJol | a gado-gado sandwich and one with brie, tomateo soup and a karnemelk | 13:47 |
| Bernd__ | Gado-Gado? Karnemelk? | 13:47 |
| Bernd__ | Are these dutch terms? | 13:48 |
| BartJol | apparently | 13:48 |
| BartJol | gado gado is sate sauce, cucumber, egg and fried onions | 13:48 |
| BartJol | karnemelk is milk, but I'm not sure of any translation | 13:49 |
| BartJol | it's not normal milk | 13:49 |
| Bernd__ | Sounds good. I am getting hungry. | 13:49 |
| Bernd__ | Where do you live? | 13:49 |
| BartJol | buttermilk I think | 13:50 |
| BartJol | Delft | 13:50 |
| Bernd__ | Hey, one of my colleagues just moved there. | 13:50 |
| BartJol | oh, cool | 13:51 |
| Bernd__ | He works at the university. | 13:51 |
| BartJol | which faculty? | 13:51 |
| Bernd__ | Have not talked to him in a while. | 13:51 |
| Bernd__ | Don't know exactly. But he is a biochemical engineer | 13:51 |
| BartJol | ah | 13:51 |
| Bernd__ | So it must be the engineering faculty? | 13:51 |
| Bernd__ | Do you work at university? | 13:51 |
| BartJol | no there is a biochemical department at chemistry | 13:52 |
| Bernd__ | Ok. I assume he must be there then. I am going to ask next time I talk to him. | 13:52 |
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| Bernd__ | So where do you work? | 13:54 |
| Bernd__ | BartJol? | 13:56 |
| BartJol | procolix | 13:56 |
| Bernd__ | Ist that an ISP? | 13:57 |
| BartJol | it's an hosting company | 13:58 |
| BartJol | www.procolix.com | 13:58 |
| Bernd__ | Your company? | 13:59 |
| BartJol | well, koen's | 13:59 |
| BartJol | or SynQ on IRC | 13:59 |
| Bernd__ | I see. | 14:00 |
| BartJol | I just work for him | 14:00 |
| Bernd__ | Do you work a lot with WebGUI? | 14:00 |
| Bernd__ | Or ist that rather a hobby of yours? | 14:01 |
| BartJol | well, it's a third of my work I think | 14:01 |
| Bernd__ | So what do you do? Installation, Administration, Coding, Web Authoring? | 14:03 |
| BartJol | a bit of all actually, so I'm not specialised in anaything :) | 14:05 |
| BartJol | and I translate a lot | 14:05 |
| Bernd__ | Oh, so you are responsible for the dutch translation? | 14:06 |
| BartJol | yup | 14:07 |
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| BartJol | Frank is doubting whether he want's to get up I think... | 14:09 |
| Bernd__ | Frank? Are you still talking to me? | 14:10 |
| BartJol | well that's kkhen (I spell it wrong, so I won't call him) | 14:11 |
| BartJol | it's 4 am over at his place' | 14:12 |
| Bernd__ | I see. | 14:14 |
| Bernd__ | Are you all a big family in here? | 14:14 |
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| BartJol | kind off | 14:16 |
| BartJol | so join the family, we'll make you an offer you can't refuse :) | 14:16 |
| Bernd__ | Great. But it depends on the bride. | 14:17 |
| BartJol | mm, maybe it's more WebGUI's harem | 14:19 |
| BartJol | and the wuc is the yearly orgy... | 14:19 |
| Bernd__ | But they are all male!!! Almost... | 14:21 |
| Bernd__ | BTW, is this being recorded? | 14:21 |
| BartJol | it is actually | 14:21 |
| Bernd__ | I suspect perlbot is the spy? | 14:21 |
| BartJol | it's here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/ | 14:22 |
| BartJol | so when you ever search something from a couple of months ago, you should be able to find it | 14:23 |
| BartJol | perlbot: math 8*8 | 14:23 |
| perlbot | 64 | 14:23 |
| BartJol | here's the irc wiki http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/irc | 14:23 |
| Bernd__ | I remember an old program that was called ELISA (if I remember correctly) | 14:23 |
| Bernd__ | Can you make perlbot talk to you? | 14:24 |
| Bernd__ | Or was it just LISA? | 14:24 |
| Bernd__ | Do you know which one I am talking about? | 14:24 |
| BartJol | nope | 14:24 |
| BartJol | but it automatically can perform some functions | 14:25 |
| BartJol | perlbot: 8ball (what did I have for lunch?) | 14:25 |
| Bernd__ | It was some artificial intelligence fake. | 14:25 |
| perlbot | Magic 8ball says: Yes | 14:25 |
| Bernd__ | You could talk to her and she would always reply something vague. | 14:25 |
| Bernd__ | Cool! | 14:26 |
| BartJol | like I had "yes" for lunch | 14:26 |
| Bernd__ | perlbot: 8ball (Is it going to rain tomorrow?) | 14:26 |
| perlbot | Magic 8ball says: Ask again later | 14:26 |
| Bernd__ | Hm. That is not really pleasing. | 14:26 |
| Bernd__ | Ok. Enough for today. I need to go back to work. | 14:26 |
| BartJol | perlbot: geoip (87.253.131.249) | 14:27 |
| perlbot | Sorry, there is no entry for (87.253.131.249) in the database | 14:27 |
| Bernd__ | See you on Monday! | 14:27 |
| BartJol | later | 14:27 |
| BartJol | ok | 14:27 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:05 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | What would be the best way to solve this. I have two seperate non-www methods in Auth that call $session->privilege->insufficient; if the user has already used the recovery link to recover their password (the auth token gets deleted). The problem is that since they are non-www methods a style has already been created which then gets another style from $session->privilege->insufficient;. | 17:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Any good way to resolve this? | 17:14 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | What about just a simple $i18n->get('This password recovery token has already been used. ').'<link to login screen'; ? | 17:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll take dead silence as approval :D | 17:20 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | So quiet this morning | 17:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: On the Thingy with no fields problem, how could this be resolved without changing the thingy to allow using it with no fields? | 17:46 |
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| @Haarg | well, one possibility would be to have a special state that the thing was in when initially created to mark it as not being 'real' yet or something similar. then you would need some kind of cleanup facility though. It seems like allowing things with no fields would be a better solution. i know it introduces complications, but probably less so than the option i just mentioned. | 17:49 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yeah, looks like alot of bugs are with Thingy, so I guess I should resign myself to rewriting portions of it :) | 17:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: This is kind of some tangled highly dependent logic with the Thingies. What about when a new Thing is created, it also having a default field created. Like 'name' which defaults to 'text'? | 18:12 |
| @Haarg | my first thought is to hate it | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | i haven't thought in detail about the complications of dealing with things without any fields though | 18:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | They're pretty useless without any fields. And I've already corrected this bug in that you can't click save without having a field added. | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | there's plenty of things that can be added that are useless without additional content, but we don't prohibit those | 18:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It was a bug like a month ago and no one had a problem with not allowing it to be saved. But if I solve this one by allowing no fields, I might as well remove the check from the save button for no fields. | 18:24 |
| Lisette | hello, how to do add a cart into my site? | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | another similar problem - create a thingy with one thing, add a field, but remove it from the display/search | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | results in a useless thingy that you can't even delete on without going into the asset manager | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | i think there are enough cases where it is just going to have to deal gracefully when there are no fields to display | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I no long like the Thingy | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | hehe | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | you have to be kidding me. It was as simple as creating a flag for if no fields were found and then not having the paginator grab data if the no fields flag was set. That is all it took | 18:27 |
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| Lisette | how to do to add a shop? | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | what version are you using? | 18:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone here familiar with the ins/outs of Thingy? | 18:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I need to some info on how the cross-linking of things was specc'd to work. | 18:46 |
| BartJol | beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer | 18:48 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | it isn't even 5 there | 18:48 |
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| +cap10morgan | ok, still wrestling with ldap + webgui. Here's what I've determined so far (hopefully I'm wrong somewhere): | 18:55 |
| +cap10morgan | 1. User RDN must be "dn" because WebGUI uses it to bind to the LDAP directory when auth'ing, so a relative DN (RDN) won't work. | 18:56 |
| +cap10morgan | 2. When using LDAP groups, you have to specify the property that determines whether or not someone is a member of a group, but that property must contain the DN of the user because WebGUI looks them up in the authentication table by that value, which must be a DN because of #1. | 18:57 |
| +cap10morgan | 3. My LDAP directory (OpenLDAP) uses the POSIX group schema, and that does not store the DN for the members of a group, just their uid. | 18:58 |
| +cap10morgan | so unless I'm missing something, I can't use LDAP groups w/ WebGUI | 18:58 |
| @khenn | not sure what you mean by th POSIX group schema, but I tested the groups portion of things against OpenLDAP so I know it works | 19:05 |
| @khenn | you need to provide the dn to the group | 19:05 |
| @khenn | ou=groups | 19:05 |
| @khenn | or whatever | 19:05 |
| @khenn | actually the DN is what you need | 19:05 |
| @khenn | the full distinguished name | 19:05 |
| @khenn | and | 19:05 |
| @khenn | the LDAP connection you use must be able to see that group | 19:06 |
| @khenn | as for binding to LDAP | 19:06 |
| @khenn | I seem to remember the RDN being the base yes | 19:06 |
| @khenn | that being said, there is certainly some room for improvement. Your suggestions on making it easier to configure are welcome | 19:07 |
| +cap10morgan | posix group schema: there's an objectclass called posixGroup | 19:10 |
| +cap10morgan | and it specifies that the group's name is the object's cn property | 19:10 |
| +cap10morgan | and the members are specified by memberUid properties | 19:10 |
| +cap10morgan | but the DN's aren't in there | 19:10 |
| +cap10morgan | just their UID's | 19:10 |
| @khenn | yeah unfortunately LDAP doesn't really have a standard for adding users to the group | 19:11 |
| @khenn | you can pretty much do it however you want | 19:12 |
| @khenn | so we had to choose a way | 19:12 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah | 19:12 |
| @khenn | so WebGUI expects the full DN to be stored | 19:12 |
| +cap10morgan | was it designed more around groupOfUniqueNames? | 19:12 |
| @khenn | in the group property | 19:12 |
| @khenn | I can't remember honestly | 19:12 |
| @khenn | I thought it was configurable | 19:12 |
| +cap10morgan | fair enough :) | 19:12 |
| +cap10morgan | is there a way to specify that i'd like the DN returned by the group membership query via a dereferencing of the UID? | 19:13 |
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| @khenn | no because it's expecting you to store the DN | 19:14 |
| @khenn | iirc | 19:14 |
| +cap10morgan | well, i mean purely on the ldap side | 19:15 |
| @khenn | I don't think so | 19:15 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, that's what i thought | 19:15 |
| @khenn | which is why we always store the DN | 19:15 |
| +cap10morgan | sure | 19:15 |
| @khenn | that way you have the point of reference | 19:15 |
| @khenn | otherwise you have to search for the user based on UID | 19:15 |
| @khenn | for each user in the group | 19:15 |
| @khenn | which can be processor intensive if you have say 10k users in a group | 19:16 |
| @khenn | fyi, it's not a standard, but I know for sure domino and OID all store the dn in the group | 19:17 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, that makes a lot of sense | 19:17 |
| @khenn | I'm fairly certain active directory does as well | 19:17 |
| +cap10morgan | it seems like pam assumes it's just the uid | 19:17 |
| +cap10morgan | i think that's how we originally ended up w/ this schema | 19:18 |
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| +cap10morgan | khenn: how would you feel about a patch that added an optional value right after "LDAP Group Property" that was "LDAP Group Member DN Search" so you could specify a search to run to lookup the DN based on the value from the LDAP Group Property? | 19:44 |
| @khenn | well | 19:45 |
| @khenn | can you do the search through LDAP/ | 19:46 |
| @khenn | ? | 19:46 |
| +cap10morgan | yes | 19:46 |
| @khenn | feed it the group and return all the DNs of the users? | 19:46 |
| +cap10morgan | in postfix, we have a result_format value of "uid=%u,ou=staff,dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org" | 19:46 |
| +cap10morgan | which tells it, use that memberUid value you just got as %u and then run that search | 19:47 |
| +cap10morgan | so it would be something similar to that | 19:47 |
| +cap10morgan | but are you thinking something else would work? | 19:47 |
| @khenn | I'm thinking | 19:48 |
| @khenn | so instead of running the query it's running now, it would substitute and use that query? | 19:49 |
| @khenn | I can't figure out how it would work | 19:49 |
| @khenn | b/c you have to specify uid=%u somehow | 19:49 |
| +cap10morgan | well, it would have to run both | 19:49 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, i would just put that in the help | 19:49 |
| +cap10morgan | and for most folks who get DNs back from their group property, they can leave it blank | 19:50 |
| +cap10morgan | but for weirdos like me, we at least can still make it work | 19:50 |
| @khenn | I'm fine with it but you'll need to clear it with rizen | 19:50 |
| @khenn | as long as it will work as is for everyone else | 19:51 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, it should | 19:52 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, thanks khenn | 19:52 |
| Lisette | i can use the button add to cart? and how to? | 19:54 |
| @bopbop | Lisette: what version of WebGUI are you using? | 19:58 |
| @bopbop | Lisette: if you are in 7.4x still, you need to set up your Products in the Admin Console, then use the Product macro to pull products onto the page. The add to cart button will appear when you do that. If you are in 7.5x you need to set up Shop in the Admin Console, then you can add Product assets from the New Content menu. A menu in the asset will allow you to set your variants and the number in stock- you have to have a positive | 20:01 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7471 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed style in style upon reuse of password recovery token | 20:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7472 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm: remove debug | 20:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7473 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): fixed: Textarea resizer has a gap between textbox and resizer initially | 20:15 |
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| Lisette | 7.5 | 20:15 |
| Lisette | in the 7.5 i dont found shop | 20:16 |
| @bopbop | Shop is in Admin Console | 20:16 |
| Lisette | no | 20:16 |
| @bopbop | then you can add Products from the New Content menu | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Must have 7.5.11 or higher for Shop | 20:16 |
| Lisette | there is product | 20:17 |
| @bopbop | yep | 20:17 |
| @bopbop | you might have to use the old commerce, Lisette | 20:17 |
| Lisette | i have 7.5.20 | 20:17 |
| Lisette | and i dont found | 20:17 |
| @bopbop | ok, then you should be able to add a Product, and then use the menu that appears in the asset to create variants and indicate the number in stock | 20:17 |
| @bopbop | what aren't you finding? | 20:18 |
| Lisette | wait me | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Shop is in Admin Console, Product is in New Content | 20:18 |
| Lisette | ok, i see in a new content | 20:18 |
| Lisette | and there is in admin console | 20:18 |
| Lisette | sorry | 20:18 |
| Lisette | yes, thanks | 20:18 |
| Lisette | and for to add new product in the shop is with product? | 20:19 |
| @bopbop | yes | 20:19 |
| Lisette | thanks | 20:19 |
| @bopbop | sure | 20:19 |
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| +cap10morgan | khenn: fyi, we found another way around the problem that's a better solution (and stores DN's in the member attribute of the groups). so no patch necessary. :) | 22:01 |
| @khenn | great | 22:02 |
| @khenn | that will ultimately make using LDAP with other stuff easier as well | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and now LDAP is testable, too | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Someone put out a mock LDAP server on CPAN | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Inside of Workflow/Instance, what is the purpose of the _started flag? | 22:26 |
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| knowmad | does anyone know how to write an SQL function that can parse a newline separated list of values? | 22:30 |
| @preaction | i think mysql has a split()-like function | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/string-functions.html | 22:31 |
| knowmad | "MySQL does not include a function to split a delimited string" | 22:32 |
| knowmad | that's in the first comment on that pg | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you need to do with the data, knowmad? | 22:32 |
| knowmad | we're trying to write an SQL Report that can read from a multi-select list which populates the database field using newline separators | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and you want to see if some value is in that multi-select list? | 22:33 |
| knowmad | i want to iterate over that list | 22:34 |
| knowmad | we're considering a macro in lieu of sql report | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd go that route | 22:34 |
| knowmad | OK, thanks for input | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | If you only want to match against that field, then I might have an idea | 22:35 |
| knowmad | regex? | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | No, something similar: find_in_set | 22:35 |
| knowmad | oh, didn't know about that one | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I found it while writing the Tax module | 22:36 |
| knowmad | However, "A string list is a string composed of substrings separated by "," characters." | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but you can function that string and replace commas with something else, and newlines with commas | 22:36 |
| knowmad | wG stores multi-select list selections as newline delimited | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, it won't help you iterate over the list elements | 22:37 |
| knowmad | that's part of my problem | 22:37 |
| knowmad | no, it doesn't look like mysql can do iteration over string of elements | 22:37 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, _started just notes that the workflow has started running, which indicates whether it should automatically be run on DESTROY, or if spectre needs to be notified of any changes. | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I started writing Instance.pm tests, and I think it's going to be a rough one. | 22:38 |
| @tavisto | hey PerlDreamer, I found a webpage that I'm confused about.. It almost looks like WebGUI 6.x was in Suse 9.1? | 22:40 |
| @tavisto | http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/SuSE_Linux_9.1.html | 22:40 |
| @tavisto | am I totally reading this wrong? | 22:41 |
| @Haarg | ow :( | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | No, but it's really old WebGUI | 22:42 |
| @tavisto | yeah I know | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder who used to maintain it | 22:42 |
| @tavisto | dunno, kinda crazy | 22:43 |
| @preaction | click the link, it shows you | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | tuukka.pasanen@ilmi.fi | 22:43 |
| @tavisto | ah Okay | 22:43 |
| @tavisto | well crap that means they must have burned out in ole 6.x | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.pasanen.net/ | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe you should contact him and get him to get started up again | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | If that happened, we'd have native installers for Debian _and_ SUSE | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | which means that the Fedora people might get fired up | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | p.s. Sorry about the spam, tavisto | 22:45 |
| @tavisto | I'm writing the email right now | 22:46 |
| @tavisto | I'm just waiting to hear back from Ubuntu | 22:46 |
| @tavisto | but yeah if we could get this guy fired back up.. (if he doesn't hate us from 6.x days) then that would be amazing | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, wgGuest31 | 22:50 |
| wgGuest31 | hello | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have any WebGUI questions? | 22:51 |
| wgGuest31 | is this where I can get some possible solutions to my WebGui problems? | 22:51 |
| wgGuest31 | yes | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Please feel free to ask away | 22:51 |
| wgGuest31 | I've been using Webgui for several years...... | 22:52 |
| wgGuest31 | for our corporate website | 22:52 |
| wgGuest31 | and.... | 22:52 |
| wgGuest31 | we always ranked very high with search engines | 22:52 |
| wgGuest31 | we recently moved to VMware | 22:52 |
| wgGuest31 | now we have lost all ranking with all search engines | 22:52 |
| @preaction | wgGuest31, i don't think those are related | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, do you have everything backported that you are going to? | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I could backport the Workflow tests | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Are you getting ready for a release? | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it'll be a while though | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll backport for .23 | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | There's nothing crucial in there | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | ok, sounds good | 22:54 |
| wgGuest31 | I heard there is a network appliance that can be purchased to integrate WebGui with VMware...is this true? | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest31, there is an VMware player app that can be used to evaluate WebGUI. I don't know how it would work in a production environment. | 22:55 |
| @preaction | wgGuest31, there is a free WebGUI / WRE distributed as a vmware appliance, yes | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=133091 | 22:56 |
| wgGuest31 | Preaction, how can I get info on this appliance? | 22:56 |
| @preaction | wgGuest31, perlDreamer just posted a link | 22:57 |
| wgGuest31 | thank you. Have either of you heard of this issue before? | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | With loss of Search engine rank? Yes. But it usually related to changes in the search engines, not in WebGUI | 22:57 |
| wgGuest31 | ok. It happened almost instantaneously when we moves it over. The website works fine....just no longer ranked or even searchable | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | So you can't reach it from the outside world anymore? | 22:59 |
| wgGuest31 | yes....we can reach it no problem from anywhere. It's solely an issue of not coming up on any searches | 22:59 |
| @preaction | google doesn't index instantaneously | 22:59 |
| wgGuest31 | it's been like this for 2 months | 23:00 |
| wgGuest31 | I've registered with google etc... as well | 23:00 |
| @preaction | unless you got yourself blacklisted by trying to do something bad, the two things are not related | 23:00 |
| wgGuest31 | I doubt that very highly. we're a municipal government...just "nice" things | 23:01 |
| @preaction | something bad like trying to spoof keywords or trying to artificially enhance your ranking. what are you searching for that you feel you should be appearing on? | 23:02 |
| @preaction | are you sure there aren't better results? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest31, my church was blacklisted for two weeks when the webmaster accidently reconfigured a server to be an open relay. It may not be intentional on your part. | 23:03 |
| wgGuest31 | oh really? | 23:03 |
| wgGuest31 | maybe I should investigate that? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if the move to VMWare is connected with your loss of ranking, it's possible | 23:04 |
| wgGuest31 | Thank you Gentlemen.....at least you've given me another place to look | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | or, the ranking alrorithm may have changed | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | could be all sorts of stuff | 23:04 |
| wgGuest31 | much appreciated | 23:04 |
| wgGuest31 | yeah | 23:04 |
| wgGuest31 | I might be back :) thanks guys | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | good luck ;) | 23:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | Every so often I feel like WebGUI is this little piss-ant piece of nowhere software. | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Then someone like wgGuest31 pops in and reminds me that really is used all over the place. | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: You here? | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I've committed everything I want to for HEAD for a while, too | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll hold off any new commits until after the release | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and thanks for fixing the failing Workflow Activity test | 23:22 |
| @Haarg | i fixed a test? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, it didn't fail last night | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so I figured you fixed it | 23:22 |
| @Haarg | heh | 23:22 |
| @Haarg | i don't know exactly | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Your hack-fu is so strong, it just gave up. | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | i spend far less time on testing stuff than i should as i'm sure you're aware | 23:23 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I am now | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, I think you fixed this bug, too | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/user-not-being-extended-in-group-upon-subscription-renewal#Lnq7w5vbiuj6FdMKjxhkbg | 23:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh yeah, that woudl be a side effect | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I always appreciate everything you do, and don't worry about stuff people don't do. | 23:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Is there a way to limit which version tags a CM can commit? Like if you have luser CM but don't want them comitting admin's versions? | 23:48 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:48 |
| @rizen | edit the version tag | 23:48 |
| @bopbop | you can assign a group to use to a version tag, but let's not bash the CM's | 23:48 |
| @rizen | and set the group to comit | 23:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bopbop: that is just short for local user :D | 23:49 |
| @bopbop | oh | 23:49 |
| @bopbop | my bad | 23:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bopbop: no, it wasn't a nice thing to say, you're right | 23:49 |
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| nuba | interesting http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/25077.wss | 00:09 |
| @preaction | that looks like something we should probably keep an eye on | 00:16 |
| nuba | the Content Management Interoperability Services (CMIS) standard specification ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/data/ECM/content/cmis.zip | 00:18 |
| nuba | downloaded, reading now | 00:18 |
| nuba | its still 0.5 | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the state of Nevada redeems itself | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | It only takes 2.5 weeks to get an email answered | 00:43 |
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| @tavisto | heh... that's because they're all busy playing Wheel of Misfortune perldreamer | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Wheel of Misfortune, the official game of WebGUI developers | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to have to mock Spectre | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | This could be fun! | 02:00 |
| @Haarg | for the workflow tests? | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow/Instance.pm, yup | 02:01 |
| @Haarg | i was looking at the spectre tests, and noticed they were always skipping | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | because they depend on the wre libs and that they are located in the standard location | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | definately want to change that | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | all it uses that for is to know if the apache servers and spectre are up | 02:03 |
| @Haarg | we should probably just have another env variable to enable/disable 'live' tests like that | 02:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm just looking for a way to trap the $spectre->notify calls in Workflow/Instance.pm | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to decouple WRE dependence from the tests | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, they won't run as native debian packages | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep thinking of Apache::Test for doing that kind of stuff | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but then I usually go back to API testing :) | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Go perlmonkey2! | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Release monster | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I think this will do the trick: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m266f873c | 02:11 |
| @Haarg | needto port my errorhandler text fix before i forget | 02:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: how goes it? | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: Did you figure out why it's failing in the smoke tests? | 02:12 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: good man, just finished breakfast :) | 02:12 |
| patspam | how's janitor duties going? | 02:13 |
| @Haarg | it's because it only outputs in debug mode or if debug is on in the log.conf file | 02:13 |
| @Haarg | i just added a mock of is_debug | 02:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: they're going. Last I checked there were *only* 32 bugs left | 02:13 |
| @Haarg | so the code always thinks log4perl wants debug output | 02:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But I'm on support next week so not sure how much I'll be able to get done on the Survey | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's weird, because I mocked isDebug in the log4perl object | 02:13 |
| patspam | ah damn! | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, most of those are layout bugs | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | dang, it's the wrong method name | 02:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: well I'm off the clock now :) so maybe I can get some Survey stuff done tonight | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | where did you mock that pD? | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Test.pm, sub interceptLogging | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | 7.6? | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's an alias to isDebug, is_debug | 02:15 |
| @rizen | pm2: you're back to survey after next week | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6 only | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | ok | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | well, is_debug is mocked in 7.5 now | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add it to 7.6, and backport the other method too | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | ok | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | then I'm going to equalize the tests so that both branches are balanced | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | except for new stuff | 02:17 |
| @rizen | pm2: i take that back...unless you and Haarg get the bug list cleaned up...you're back on bugfix duty | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: They could use some tab/meg/jon/stv help on that | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Lots of templating issues | 02:17 |
| @rizen | i'll get someone to help out | 02:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: okayu | 02:18 |
| @rizen | tabitha and mego have been given the order to clear all template related bugs by next thursday's release | 02:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nice :D | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: This bug can be closed, too: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/inbox-message-emails-dont-include-from-information#dIvBLew3C-7bF71ySs7rOQ | 02:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hah, probably help if I closed them after fixing them. | 02:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | is 7.6 release pending? | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | no | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | 7.6 is waiting for a few weeks | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll do some more committing then :) | 02:26 |
| @rizen | probably not until october | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | why for? | 02:26 |
| @rizen | and when it does...it will be on tuesdays | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | i need to redo some things in the upgrade script | 02:27 |
| @rizen | cuz there's really not much in there worth releasing yet | 02:27 |
| @rizen | i thought i should wait until after our first RFE day | 02:27 |
| patspam | I've got that one in my calendar | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | what's best practice for introducing schema changes, without breaking upgrades? | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I was looking as susanb's add url to assetHistory RFE | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and realized that it would immediately break stuff | 02:29 |
| * perlmonkey2 means business...he's switched from /datahead to /datasurvey (da da daaaaaaaa0 | 02:30 | |
| * patspam cheers | 02:30 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | Maybe tonight I can get all the perl2JSon refactoring done. | 02:38 |
| patspam | that's worth at least 1 beer | 02:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 02:43 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | who's still awake? | 04:43 |
| @preaction | not me@ | 04:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: doing anything fun? | 04:50 |
| @preaction | not really | 04:55 |
| @preaction | making video files from my dvds | 04:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | is this too ugly or should it be more encapsulated? $self->{_data}->{sections}->[$$ref{'section'}]->{questions}->[$$ref{'question'}]->{answers}->[$$ref{'answer'}]->update($ref); Looks kind of ugly, but I don't get accessors for free :D | 05:01 |
| @preaction | looks way too ugly to me, but perhaps by splitting up lines it might look nicer? | 05:01 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'd say encapsulate it myself | 05:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Ladies and gentlemen, patspam is in the house! | 07:33 |
| * patspam blushes | 07:33 | |
| patspam | perlDreamer: aren't you supposed to be asleep by now? | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | It's only 9:30pm localtime | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | But I did just finish about half an hour of test maintenance | 07:34 |
| patspam | ah, still well within the working day | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and told the state of Nevada that their sales tax data is wrong | 07:34 |
| patspam | perlDreamer++ # test and tax king | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Is there sales tax in Australia? | 07:35 |
| patspam | 10% GST (goods and services tax) | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that's steep | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | highest I've seen here in the states is 9.5% | 07:36 |
| patspam | I heard the netherlands have even higher? or maybe that's just income tax | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Could be | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | is that flat across the country? | 07:37 |
| patspam | yep | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | It's very wise to do that | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | It makes it easy for people to collect taxes online | 07:39 |
| patspam | here it is in all its gory detail: http://www.ato.gov.au/businesses/pathway.asp?pc=001/003/022&mfp=001/003&mnu=4409#001_003_022 | 07:40 |
| patspam | there are some exceptions and complications, but for almost everything it's just a simple 10% | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | That means that no one will pay $30AU for an Australian sales tax file | 07:41 |
| patspam | yeah.. | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | It's okay. There are still 42 other states in the US | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | plus canada | 07:43 |
| patspam | heh | 07:43 |
| patspam | most people do reporting every 3 months, which is easy from a math point of view but still a hassle, especially when you forget to put the money aside for the tax man | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | don't the vendors collect it? | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to keep track yourself? | 07:43 |
| patspam | the vendors | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, okay | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'm going to crash out for tonight. | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Hack on, patspam | 07:46 |
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| elnino | patspam - you there? | 09:46 |
| patspam | greetings | 09:46 |
| elnino | hi. help! | 09:47 |
| elnino | I'm trying to install the exim. | 09:47 |
| elnino | it's installed and I can send email. | 09:47 |
| patspam | yes..? | 09:47 |
| elnino | but I'm trying to understand the config file. | 09:47 |
| patspam | ok.. on ubuntu? | 09:48 |
| elnino | exim4.conf.template - I said NO to splitting it up, but it seems that it still gets values from a gabillion different files. | 09:48 |
| elnino | debian - I think they are related | 09:48 |
| patspam | yep | 09:48 |
| elnino | I'm using http://ws.edu.isoc.org/workshops/2004/CEDIA/presentaciones/bc/correo/exim/EximPrac.html - nice site for the testing and all. | 09:48 |
| elnino | I'm down to part 4. | 09:49 |
| elnino | I want to be able to send emails from MY domain, as opposed to the gmail account. | 09:49 |
| patspam | did you use "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" to configure exim? | 09:49 |
| elnino | - the gmail account used to send to google smtp server. | 09:49 |
| elnino | yep. | 09:49 |
| elnino | that's where I said don't split up the files. | 09:49 |
| elnino | It doesn't appear to have listened to me. | 09:50 |
| patspam | yeah, gmail isn't great as an outgoing smtp because it re-writes the FROM field | 09:50 |
| elnino | always? really? | 09:50 |
| elnino | I thought by setting up a smart host, it wouldn't | 09:50 |
| patspam | yeah, shame because otherwise it works perfectly | 09:50 |
| elnino | I've wasted much of my life on this doing the impossible. Oh.. grrr. | 09:51 |
| elnino | This is for a client, and she said the emails USED to come from her domain. | 09:51 |
| patspam | not wasted, you will have learned 90% of what you need to use another mail server | 09:51 |
| patspam | I'm using a non-gmail smtp server as the smart host, essentially the same config as setting it up with gmail | 09:52 |
| patspam | just define a different smart host and put different auth details into /etc/exim4/passwd.client | 09:53 |
| patspam | do you have another smtp server you can use? otherwise you can tell exim to deliver directly | 09:53 |
| elnino | that went over my head. I'm thinking I have to have exim send directly. This is a VPS server, and I was the impression that all her mail used to go out thru gmail. I was looking at her mx records and tehy all say "google" | 09:54 |
| patspam | ok, that means she's using google hosted mail | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: graham * r7485 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm: Must have accidently deleted a semicolon | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: graham * r7486 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Form/Integer now shows 0 in post submission page (Thanks perlDreamer) | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: graham * r7487 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/gotcha.txt: Added gotcha about upgrading to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.5 | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: graham * r7488 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: fix errorhandler tests failing if debug mode is off | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7489 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.5.22 release | 09:55 |
| patspam | e.g. when people send mail to her domain, they go to Google's mail server | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: jt * r7490 /wrebuild/wre/sbin/backup.pl: fixed rotation problems | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: jt * r7491 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.22-stable: Release 7.5.22-stable | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: graham * r7492 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.23 dev | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7493 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: mock both debug mode methods | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7494 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: Back port Haarg's excellent fix for the lack | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: of query checking in the ErrorHandler test. | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7495 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: add spectre mocking and getWorkflow tests | 09:55 |
| patspam | ike, svn commit spam attack!! | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: tabitha * r7496 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.0/default_product.wgpkg: Change <spam> tag to <span> tag in default product template | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: doug * r7497 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backported 7496, added changelog entry | 09:55 |
| elnino | =) | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7498 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Macro/ (MiniCart.t CartItemCount.t): backporting Shop macro tests to 7.5 branch | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7499 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/i18n/template.t: backport 7431, removing quotes from labels and namespaces | 09:55 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7500 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Macro/RootTitle.t: backporting 7430, getLineage vs get(lineage) | 09:56 |
| patspam | I'll wait till it stops.. | 09:56 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7501 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: backport POD for Test.pm | 09:56 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7502 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Workflow.t: backport Workflow tests | 09:56 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7503 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Workflow/Instance.t: backporting Workflow/Instance tests | 09:56 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r7504 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Form/SelectRichEditor.t: backporting fix for SelectRichEditor tests | 09:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | oh noes! | 10:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | patspam/elnino - you can have gmail use your own domain for the from field.. you just need to add the domain to the account and prove you have ownership of it | 10:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | it will still rewrite the headers.. so you just make your own domain the default mail address | 10:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | (you can't do this until you verify that you own it) | 10:10 |
| patspam | interesting! | 10:11 |
| patspam | I was playing with it with a CS mailing list and the FROM header re-writing was causing issues, but maybe that'd work | 10:11 |
| elnino | add it to the google account? | 10:13 |
| elnino | hold on let me log on. She gave me access to EVERYTHIGN. scary. | 10:13 |
| patspam | let's see, so you'd add the website domain to your gmail account, and then all webgui generated emails would be left with FROM field intact | 10:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | not quite.. | 10:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | they'll still be mangled, but with whatever you specify as your default outgoing email address | 10:14 |
| elnino | k. I'm in. | 10:14 |
| patspam | yeah ok, so you'd probably want to set up a dedicated gmail hosted account for this | 10:14 |
| patspam | rather than messing with your own gmail account | 10:14 |
| patspam | which would probably work for elnino | 10:15 |
| patspam | since the email is already gmail-hosted | 10:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, not a bad idea | 10:15 |
| patspam | the only thing I'm wondering about is the way that WebGUI sets the FROM address to the posted in a CS mailing list | 10:16 |
| patspam | posted = poster | 10:16 |
| elnino | so... she has several accounts: orders@xxx.com, hername@xxx.com. Is it going to rewrite just the domain? or the whole name? | 10:17 |
| patspam | and then mailing list recipients use that to identify who sent the email... gmail might break that | 10:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | whichever one she specifies as her default will be used | 10:17 |
| elnino | ok. to add complexity to this, the server I'm on is goign to host multiple domains, I'm not relishing the idea of creating multiple google accounts for each of these domains, is that what is going to happen? | 10:19 |
| patspam | sadly, yes | 10:20 |
| elnino | ok. I'm back to my own smtp server then. | 10:20 |
| elnino | we're talking about ALOT of domains. good for me - I think. | 10:20 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:07 |
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| BartJol | hi | 16:10 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends. Why do some user accounts when created show "Deactivated"? We have about 50% of new accounts land in this state... | 16:55 |
| BartJol | maybe a time that has been set somewhere | 16:56 |
| BartJol | let me have a look | 16:56 |
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| BartJol | I suppose you checked while adding users that the status was set to active? | 16:58 |
| BartJol | it is default, but maybe something strange happened | 16:58 |
| doc777 | Well about half are fine and show "Active" and "Sucess" but the other half show "Deactivated" so was wondering why is that ;) I will check that. I guess it is under settings? | 16:59 |
| doc777 | They "create" the account them selves by registering on the site... | 17:00 |
| BartJol | no, while making an account there is a status drop down | 17:00 |
| BartJol | aah | 17:00 |
| BartJol | do they have to confirm? | 17:00 |
| doc777 | We do have email verification enabled. | 17:00 |
| BartJol | ah, well until they did that, they should not be activated | 17:00 |
| doc777 | Ok, maybe that is the issue is that they are not replying to the emails. | 17:01 |
| BartJol | that has a good chance | 17:01 |
| doc777 | Thanks you ;) | 17:01 |
| BartJol | np | 17:01 |
| BartJol | users, can't even click on a link :) | 17:02 |
| doc777 | Yep, that is the issue. I created an account and it was "deactivated" until I clicked the link in the email and then it was "active". They just cant seem to follow the directions ;) | 17:08 |
| BartJol | and then started complaining that it didn't work? | 17:08 |
| BartJol | or is it not that bad? | 17:09 |
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| doc777 | Na, just noticed we had a lot of "deactivated" users ;) | 17:09 |
| doc777 | On another note is there a simple way to edit the text labels that display on the log in pages and such? | 17:10 |
| BartJol | well, then, it's ok | 17:10 |
| doc777 | Maybe I can clarify it and put it in bold red ;-) | 17:10 |
| BartJol | in the import node you can finf some templates for it | 17:10 |
| BartJol | let me look | 17:10 |
| doc777 | Thank you bart, you are very helpful ;) | 17:10 |
| BartJol | well, you can copy the default WebGUI anonymous registration template, then it will be on the form | 17:14 |
| BartJol | and you'll have to choose the right template somewhere | 17:14 |
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| doc777 | Ok, will have to try that then and edit the template directly. I was wondering if there was a central language file or something before I went and done that ;) | 17:15 |
| doc777 | Thank you for checking for me ! | 17:15 |
| BartJol | Yeah, but I was also looking whether there can be a meesage set after submitting | 17:16 |
| doc777 | That would be neat as well. | 17:17 |
| BartJol | in the authentication setting tab you can choose the template | 17:18 |
| BartJol | mmm, I'm being I have the standard message that request that you check your e-mail, where you are asked to click on a link | 17:22 |
| BartJol | it's in i18n | 17:22 |
| BartJol | the message is in Dutch to, so probably i18n too | 17:23 |
| juan | is there something to show the more visited or rating posts of a CS? or have to use a sql report? | 17:23 |
| BartJol | ah that's one of the user defined things juan | 17:24 |
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| BartJol | then you can select sort by: user defined and just have to select your option | 17:25 |
| BartJol | oh juan if you read the built-inhelp, you would see that there are more template variables for the functions you are seeking | 17:28 |
| juan | and how to setup the userdefined1? | 17:28 |
| BartJol | mmm | 17:31 |
| BartJol | you might need the user defined after all | 17:33 |
| BartJol | those template variables are mostly links to sort them differntly | 17:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Am I missing something or does the DataForm now have an export CSV besides exporting in tab delimited. | 17:35 |
| juan | i am going to search in the help for some template variable that can help me | 17:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Woohooo, down to 27 bugs | 17:41 |
| BartJol | perlmonkey2: did you demolish my i18n?, you're kinda evil aren't you? | 17:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: err, how did I do that? | 17:44 |
| BartJol | by replacing my translation (on the i18n server) by some porn links | 17:44 |
| BartJol | I was lucky that I saw it | 17:45 |
| BartJol | and thought: "hee, I didn't update friends.pm" | 17:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hahahahahahhahaaa | 17:45 |
| BartJol | I don't think it's funny actually | 17:45 |
| BartJol | it's my lives work and only pride ;) | 17:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If you aren't joking, then let me be serious for a second and assure you I don't even have a friends.pm in my local svn copy. | 17:46 |
| BartJol | I'm not, I posted on the forum and requested an rfe, but I'm not sure whether yuou can do something about it | 17:47 |
| BartJol | s/you/we/ | 17:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | j/s I'm I forgot I had my old 7.5.11 instance in place. I'll move back to [HEAD] and see what's up. | 17:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: I see the same thing as 7.5.11 in the log for Friends. Last update was 6880 by Colin. And I very seriously doubt HE would be putting porn links in. | 17:50 |
| BartJol | wait, i'll fetch you the link | 17:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | is it Dutch/Friends.pm? | 17:50 |
| BartJol | yup | 17:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That isn't in the main branch? | 17:51 |
| BartJol | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/translations/Dutch/Dutch/Friends.pm?rev=7199 | 17:52 |
| BartJol | just grep for porn | 17:52 |
| BartJol | mmm, that sounds a bit strange | 17:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | should be easy to find out which account this was put up unde.r | 17:53 |
| BartJol | maybe an ip | 17:53 |
| BartJol | you don't have to log in | 17:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | author was translation? | 17:53 |
| BartJol | yeah | 17:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | will have to hunt that down in the system logs | 17:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | know which machine hosts svn? | 17:54 |
| BartJol | probably I did the commit, but was unaware of the false translation | 17:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | where did you get it from? | 17:54 |
| BartJol | what do you mean, I just go to i18n.webgui,org | 17:55 |
| BartJol | I don't knowwhat machine that is | 17:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, i mean which machine on the internal network | 17:55 |
| BartJol | I can check the ip if you want | 17:55 |
| BartJol | my machine is called lisa or maud | 17:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so someone uploads to your machine and then you check that into svn? | 17:56 |
| BartJol | nope | 17:56 |
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| BartJol | let me begin at the start | 17:56 |
| BartJol | I go to i18n.webgui.org | 17:56 |
| BartJol | I translate some tags in namespaces | 17:56 |
| BartJol | to be sure that my work isn't ruined, there is a commit to svn link that I press | 17:57 |
| BartJol | and a script commits it | 17:57 |
| BartJol | so if it's ruined, I just ask whether the last commit can be put back | 17:58 |
| BartJol | (never happend so far) | 17:58 |
| BartJol | BartJol: crosses his fingers | 17:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It was the add tag, which looks to be corrected on i18n.webgui.org | 17:58 |
| BartJol | I did | 17:59 |
| BartJol | off course | 17:59 |
| BartJol | and made a commit | 17:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure how to track down vandalism in this setup. | 18:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But why would you assume it was me? | 18:00 |
| BartJol | yup | 18:00 |
| BartJol | because JT told you to do it, because he hated (or is afraid of) Dutch people | 18:00 |
| BartJol | I don't actually think that you did it | 18:01 |
| BartJol | just wanted to blame someone | 18:02 |
| BartJol | sorry that you were my victim, do you forgive me? | 18:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You can understand why JT is afraid of the Dutch. The US used to be a colony. The Netherlands used to hold colonies..... See what I mean? | 18:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: of course I forgive you you big loveable fellow. Let's hug it out. | 18:04 |
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| BartJol | ago, well I'm gonna have a beer | 18:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | has there been drive bys on the i18n before/ | 18:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ? | 18:05 |
| BartJol | not that I know | 18:05 |
| BartJol | my first | 18:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: in case you didn't know, my last was a joke commonly seen in pop culture. | 18:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | don't want anything lost in translation :D | 18:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hasta | 18:05 |
| BartJol | :) | 18:05 |
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| BartJol | friday humor... | 18:06 |
| BartJol | it's the worst and at the same time the best | 18:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 18:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | indeed | 18:06 |
| BartJol | but Joeri's waiting for us (me and our lovely administration girl) in the bar | 18:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Did you hear about the fire at the circus? It was intense(in tents). [only works when spoken I guess] | 18:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, right on. Have fun | 18:07 |
| BartJol | :) | 18:07 |
| BartJol | I get it | 18:07 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | In the Shop transaction receipt, what is the point of giving a link to the www_view of the sku? For the badge at least, it appears to be a shortcut to allow you to purchase one even if they are out of stock. | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | to see details on what you just purchased i guess | 18:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7508 /experimental/ (279 files in 45 dirs): Added the HelpDesk | 18:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7509 /experimental/HelpDesk/www/extras/wobject/HelpDesk/yui-bubbling/ (stars_old stars_white): accidentally had these folders in the wrong place | 18:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7510 /experimental/HelpDesk/www/extras/wobject/HelpDesk/yui-bubbling/ (helpdesk.js add.gif stars users.gif): files are in the wrong folder | 18:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7511 /experimental/HelpDesk/www/extras/wobject/HelpDesk/yui-bubbling/indicator.gif: file in the wrong foldr | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | either way it should protect against buying with no stock | 18:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7512 /experimental/HelpDesk/www/extras/wobject/HelpDesk/helpdesk.js: file not used | 18:40 |
| juan | i have many posts and i want to sort them by rating or views | 18:40 |
| juan | i am trying to use the userDefined1 | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | using it for what? | 18:41 |
| juan | is not posible? | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | how are you trying to use the userDefined1 field? | 18:42 |
| juan | to sort the post by rating or post | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | i don't see how it relates to sorting by rating or view | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | posts have their own ratings | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | in a separate field that is | 18:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: so then an EMSBadge's templateId needs to not show the Add to Cart if it is out of stock. | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | needs to not show the link, and the link has to not work if they knew what it would be | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | juan, are you trying to sort threads in a cs or posts in a thread? | 18:44 |
| juan | is possible to do it with userDefined fields, or maybe a sql report is better | 18:44 |
| juan | in a CS | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | userDefined has nothing to do with it | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | they are just extra fields that let you attach arbitrary data to a post | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | posts already have views and rating | 18:45 |
| juan | how can i sort them by rating or views | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | so there is no arbitrary data to add | 18:45 |
| juan | aja | 18:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: Okay trying to track down what is being called. Sku->www_view is called which calls EMSBadge->prepareView, but EMSBadge->view doens't appear to ever be called. | 18:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But that is where the form is being shown. Nevermind, I'm obviously missing somethign. | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | Sku.pm line 520 | 18:46 |
| @Haarg | users can sort by those things by those things by using the column headings | 18:47 |
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| @Haarg | looks like you can't set them for the default sort by though | 18:47 |
| @Haarg | that's probably an rfe | 18:47 |
| juan | yes | 18:47 |
| @Haarg | technically you could do evil things in the database to set it as the default | 18:48 |
| @Haarg | but it wouldn't be a good way to go | 18:48 |
| juan | i want to show them by default for rating or views | 18:48 |
| juan | so, sql report | 18:48 |
| @Haarg | at this point that may be the only option | 18:49 |
| juan | ok | 18:49 |
| juan | i am going to make the sentence | 18:50 |
| juan | thanks | 18:50 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7513 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Can no longer buy badges from receipt or direct link page if quantity is empty | 19:19 |
| dionak | nice. | 19:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | dionak: about to fix 7.5 reoccurring subscriptions too (just backporting the 7.6 fix) | 19:21 |
| dionak | can you share the link to the bug report? | 19:22 |
| dionak | or rfe? | 19:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | j/s | 19:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/subscription-notification-not-sent | 19:23 |
| dionak | great! we're implementing subscriptions for a couple of sites now. that will be handy. | 19:24 |
| dionak | to have that fixed. | 19:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | dionak: hmm, perlDreamer must have already merged it. | 19:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Nope, the wonderful, obviously deserves a bonus Graham did it. | 19:31 |
| dionak | do you know which revision? | 19:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 7485 | 19:32 |
| dionak | thanks, pm | 19:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no problem | 19:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the tests are fully up to date between the two main branches now. | 19:46 |
| @Haarg | cool | 19:47 |
| @Haarg | hopefully i'll be getting the dataform and macro tests improved next week | 19:47 |
| @Haarg | going to work on some things with data form, including improving the api so it can be worked with better through code | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 19:48 |
| @Haarg | and i'm really looking forward to finishing the macro parser | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | If you want help with testing, give me a holler | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to have several hours of bandwidth each day next week | 19:49 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7514 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: fix bad Mock API, new requires a module name | 19:49 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7515 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Workflow/Instance.t: backport test fixes for Workflow/Instance | 19:49 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: in the evenmanagementsystem there is a getRegistrantAsJSON method. It appears to return the ticket times in UTC. Would there ever be a reason for that time to be in UTC, or shouldn't it always be in the user's time zone? | 20:06 |
| @Haarg | in terms of display you mean? | 20:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well if it is for JSON, won't it always be fore display? | 20:08 |
| @Haarg | not really | 20:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | My real question is should the wrong times being displayed when you add tickets to a badge be fixed on the JS side or in the Perl? | 20:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | i'd say the perl side as there is no reason to ever send UTC to the JS, right? | 20:08 |
| @Haarg | well, we definately want to store it in utc | 20:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Absolutely. | 20:10 |
| @Haarg | seems like it would need to be done in perl since the js probably doesn't have access to the needed time zone information at this point | 20:11 |
| @Haarg | do events have a timezone attached to them in any way? | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll check and see if the creating user's timezone is tagged to the ticket, but I'd guess no that the event is stored in the DB as a unixtime. | 20:12 |
| @Haarg | because for a conference for example | 20:12 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | no, they are stored as human readable, but obviously in UTC. | 20:13 |
| @Haarg | it would only really make sense to show it using the time zone the conference takes place in | 20:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | And are being returned by a simple ->get('startDate') | 20:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and the event has a timeZone. Well that worked out well. | 20:14 |
| estiven | Hi | 20:14 |
| estiven | i create a new product and tell me "(0) out of stock" how to do to add stock for this product? | 20:14 |
| estiven | thanks | 20:15 |
| @Haarg | use the set product price and sku link | 20:17 |
| estiven | mm, I see that, thanks | 20:20 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7516 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tickets on add to badge screen now show the time at the events timezone | 21:54 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7517 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tickets on add to badge screen now show the time at the events timezone | 21:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | for those considering using Template::Toolkit -> http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/37418 | 22:35 |
| nuba | interesting | 22:42 |
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| @Haarg | definately something we'll need to think more about if we move to template::toolkit | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, is there any other way to scan the translation data to see if anything else is spammed? Like the Dutch stuff was this morning? | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | i could search over all the data for some specific text | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | how 'bout m#<a href#i | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | there are 35 hits in the English master | 23:10 |
| @Haarg | i don't see anything bad | 23:13 |
| @Haarg | aside from this: <p dir=""rtl"" class=""MsoNormal""> ;) | 23:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer / Haarg either of you familiar with Plone's KSS? | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | When you say !perl, the answer is usually no | 23:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Just pondering how to AJAX'ify everything in From/* | 23:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Form/* | 23:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Well most things in Form can already be easily ajax'ified | 23:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But things like the sliders | 23:20 |
| @preaction | what do you mean ajaxify? | 23:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: Say you want an ajax call to return a form with an IntSlider. | 23:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The JS returned with the IntSlider won't be executed? | 23:23 |
| @preaction | ah, that depends on how you parse the new form | 23:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | toHtml on a slider returns HTML plus some JS for the events and new JS slider | 23:23 |
| @preaction | innerHTML won't do it, no. you'd have to do some fanciness of grabbing the scripts and executing them | 23:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But we need something sexy like Plone has only better and less lame. | 23:24 |
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| @preaction | or put a frontend on that would do the right thing | 23:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | need something like a template for the JS libs to add form elements to. | 23:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So all of Form/* has corrosponding JS to handle them. And then when you create a Form/? what happens in a JSON data structure is sent along with a <div id=matchingIdinJSON> in the HTML. Then are new shiny JS library parses the JSON and adds form elements to the matching divs as needed. | 23:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s/are/our/ | 23:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I think two of the Thingy bugs are because the IntSlider and SelectSlider are trying to be loaded via AJAX. | 23:30 |
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| @preaction | most likely | 23:35 |
| @preaction | perhaps instead a form control could give JS code to create itself? | 23:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But the form control doens't know it needs to have it's JS lib in the page until it is requested by the AJAX call. Unless you use eval() on it I guess. | 23:37 |
| @preaction | the method that builds the form would need to know that | 23:38 |
| @preaction | it would build the JS-enabled version instead of the normal version | 23:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I like it | 23:38 |
| @preaction | it's still a lot of work :( | 23:39 |
| @preaction | and i would get it approved by the people at-large here, namely Haarg and rizen | 23:39 |
| @preaction | perhaps it could return both markup and code | 23:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well most of the Form stuff doesn't need anything done to it. | 23:39 |
| @preaction | in a JSON object, that we could make a single routine to process | 23:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but then we'd be eval'ing the code on the JS side. | 23:40 |
| @preaction | so WebGUI.Form.processAjaxForm( ajax_form_object ) | 23:40 |
| @preaction | yes. there's going to be no way around that at all | 23:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | XSS attacks could insert JS for eval'ing. | 23:40 |
| @Haarg | or it could just be that the selectslider control is broken | 23:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, if you have a master lib loaded already that already has the code needed for every type of form and the JSON is simply telling what needs to be ran on which id. | 23:40 |
| @Haarg | go to /home?op=editPalette;pid=defaultPalette | 23:41 |
| @Haarg | and try editting a color | 23:41 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, so it returns the name of a function to run? like WebGUI.Form.SelectSlider.init or something? | 23:41 |
| @Haarg | the forms api changes must have broken it | 23:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: yeah something like that, sure | 23:41 |
| @Haarg | we've been considering how to make the forms system more ajax friendly | 23:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: it may be broken, but the Thingy Thing editor does an ajax call upon saving an edit and the IntSlider and SelectSlider both have attached JS which won't get executed upon their return. | 23:42 |
| @Haarg | the thingy editor doesn't really have to work though | 23:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | true, that is just there for show. | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | we do need to make the forms system more ajax friendly | 23:43 |
| @preaction | XSS doesn't really apply here, you control the URL the AJAX call is made to, and the JS is grabbed from the form control, there's no way for a user to intervene | 23:44 |
| @Haarg | i think the plan is to work on that more for 7.7 | 23:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | what about all form objects adding their type and id to a JSON object that is sent. Then any JS lib parsing returns could check that object to see what needs to be done upon a AJAX return.l | 23:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just a hash with their id containing the form type and any options neededc. | 23:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | needed. | 23:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | probably wouldn't even have to change teh API. | 23:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay I'll stop blathering and go figure out what's wrong with SelectSlider. | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need some SQL help | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm testing Workflow::Instance | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and checking that singleton mode works in the workflow | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it does this query | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | "select count(*) from WorkflowInstance where workflowId=? and parameters=?",[$properties->{workflowId},$params] | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's failing | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | if you remove the parameters=? part, then it finds the workflow | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | if you query the db, it says that the parameters are undef | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if you query the db through perl, its says that the parameters field is undef | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if you query the db directly, then the parameters are NULL | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | does undef not map to NULL as a placeholder? | 00:53 |
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| isaac__ | hello all | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, isaac__! | 00:54 |
| isaac__ | been a while since I've been in here | 00:55 |
| isaac__ | got a workflow question | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | It has. Staying busy? | 00:55 |
| isaac__ | Yeah. I've written a build system inside webgui | 00:55 |
| isaac__ | very cool stuff. | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | So what's your workflow question? | 00:55 |
| isaac__ | I've written an activity that I want to shut down the workflow instance. But if I do $instance->delete() from inside the activity the instance is deleted before spectre can return on the activity so specre loops and erros trying to update the instance | 00:56 |
| isaac__ | Yeah. So at work here, we block all outbound ports. So I can't really connect IRC> I'm running xchat on a remote server through ssh right now. HAH | 00:57 |
| isaac__ | basically my only recourse is to have the activity spawn another workflow that will delete the instance and then return a waiting state | 00:58 |
| isaac__ | but this seems a bit inelegant | 00:58 |
| isaac__ | basically deleting the instance while it's running doesn't actually delete it out to spectre. so spectre is still chewing on it | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I see. It sounds like it needs to do a $spectre->notify | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | You'll need to talk with either rizen or preaction about that one. | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know if you can tell spectre to terminate a workflow that way or not | 01:00 |
| isaac__ | hmm... k. I wasn't sure if I could get out to the instance in spectre from within the activity | 01:00 |
| isaac__ | yeah. | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Internally, the instance can, so I don't see why you couldn't do it in an activity. | 01:01 |
| isaac__ | there's deleteInstance() in the Spectre/Workflow.pm I need to go in that. But it says to delete an instance in the processing queue. | 01:02 |
| isaac__ | maybe I'll try that | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | isaac__, this is what you want: | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Workflow::Spectre->new($self->session)->notify("workflow/deleteInstance",$self->getId); | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that's copied from the set method in Workflow/Instance.pm | 01:03 |
| isaac__ | nice. | 01:04 |
| isaac__ | trying... | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | If that works, please submit it as a bug. | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | When an instance is deleted, it should tell spectre | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and rizen will decide if it's a bug or an rfe | 01:04 |
| isaac__ | hmm...kkk | 01:05 |
| isaac__ | 1 sec | 01:05 |
| isaac__ | hmm | 01:06 |
| isaac__ | not sure that it's working. I need to see where it's failing. I suspect that it's trying to delete the instance from the processing quque, but it's not in the queue since it's actually running | 01:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | isaac__, it does delete it from the queue. | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | So it won't terminate a currently running instance | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Here's something else to try. | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | If you get a copy of the current instance | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | set the currentActivityId to the last activity in the Workflow. | 01:15 |
| isaac__ | ooh | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | when Spectre tries to grab the next activity after yours finishes, that activity won't exist, and the Instance's run method will return done. | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and it should stop | 01:16 |
| isaac__ | that's good idea | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's more guesswork | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and kind of hackish | 01:16 |
| isaac__ | not super elegant, but good enough | 01:16 |
| isaac__ | yeah | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | If you find yourself with some spare time, I'd love to know more about what you're doing. | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Would you make a dev list post about it? | 01:17 |
| isaac__ | yeah. it's been on my list for a while. Eventually I want to wrap up the rough edges and post it. | 01:18 |
| isaac__ | but it will take a bit of work. since alot of what's needed to make it acceptable for posting isn't needed for deployment internally here where I'm at | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I just mean tell us about it | 01:18 |
| isaac__ | 've already got permission to release it out | 01:19 |
| isaac__ | yeah. | 01:19 |
| isaac__ | I know. Just mentioning | 01:19 |
| isaac__ | the spectre workflow stuff makes alot of this easy. I mean, I'm pretty much overloading what the system was meant for I think. But it just works so welll; | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 01:21 |
| isaac__ | bbiab also | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | back | 01:35 |
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| @preaction | why can you not return DONE? | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | try it :) | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that was smart-ass of me | 01:47 |
| @preaction | see the RequstApprovalForVersionTag workflow, it spawns a new workflow and kills itself | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | done is not a constant approved by the Activity | 01:47 |
| @preaction | hmm... then the second thing i said | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | approved = exported | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it should be | 01:47 |
| @preaction | the RequestApprovalForVersionTag can delete itself, since continuing on would commit assets | 01:48 |
| isaac__ | ok. tyring that last thing now | 01:49 |
| isaac__ | hmm.... checking that activity now | 01:50 |
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| isaac__ | I was doing what that activity does. | 01:52 |
| isaac__ | then spectre spins on the instance that it still has | 01:52 |
| isaac__ | in memory | 01:52 |
| isaac__ | I'm on an old version tho. maybe I'm running into a bug that's been fixed. | 01:53 |
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| isaac__ | looks like I can set the instance to DONE. not as returning from the actigity but directly via set | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, if you'd double check my latest commits I'd really appreciate it | 02:07 |
| @preaction | ok | 02:07 |
| @preaction | r numbers? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | 7518 | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and back port to 7.5 | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but 7518 is the key one | 02:08 |
| @preaction | also, if anyone ever offers you "Spinach and Proscuitto cassarole", tell them to screw off | 02:08 |
| * preaction drowns his in pepper | 02:08 | |
| +perlDreamer | offhand it doesn't sound that bad | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | is it from a store? | 02:09 |
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| isaac__ | weird. neither is working for some reason. would there be a reasn that $instance->set() would not work from insdie the activity? Or not be seen right away? I use it for the params all the time | 02:10 |
| @preaction | probably because you return completed, which WebGUI then sets as the status | 02:11 |
| isaac__ | I'm also trying to set currentActivityId, but it looks like it doesn't see that either | 02:11 |
| isaac__ | or it gets reset as I return or something | 02:11 |
| isaac__ | trolling Instance.pm now | 02:12 |
| isaac__ | trawling? | 02:12 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, no. i probably screwed it up. i didn't add the anise seeds and used boullion + water instead of real chicken broth (it was the water that was probably a bad idea) | 02:12 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, but your commit looks fine. I'd like to see "isSingleton" encapsulated, perhaps also an Instance->canAdd which would check singleton | 02:13 |
| @preaction | but that's not really necessary | 02:13 |
| @preaction | if I don't decide to fix the wiki and add some features to the calendar for my R&D time, i have a big project planned for workflow | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: do you think it would be useful elsewhere? singletonExists? | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | the funny thing is, singleton workflows were completely broken until that commit | 02:14 |
| @preaction | canAdd would return false if it was disabled, or if it was singleton and already an instance in there | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you could have lots of them running at the same time | 02:14 |
| @preaction | canRun could return false if it wasn't the first instance of a serial workflow | 02:14 |
| @preaction | stuff like that | 02:15 |
| @preaction | a better API really | 02:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7518 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Fix multiple bugs related to Singleton workflows: | 02:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Can't use undef in a where clause. | 02:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Have to use the same JSON encoding in all places. | 02:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Added tests for singleton workflow instances. | 02:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7519 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport Workflow/Instance bug fix and test | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | If the API changes get approved, I'll refactor it out | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | since we have the tests for it now :) | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | A more unified API, similar to the Asset API would be very nice | 02:16 |
| @preaction | indeed | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be nice if we could standardize on new and create everywhere as constructors, too | 02:17 |
| isaac__ | k. looks like I need to return WAITING | 02:17 |
| @preaction | we can, eventually | 02:17 |
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| @preaction | er... waiting means re-run the same activity again, can you not just upgrade your WebGUI? | 02:18 |
| isaac__ | I am upgrading it later. but this doesn't look like a bug. or if it is, I can't really wait | 02:19 |
| isaac__ | upgrading will be a big deal | 02:19 |
| isaac__ | It's going to happen in the next couple weeks. but this has to get done first | 02:19 |
| isaac__ | no. I'm setting currentActivityId then return $self->WAITING; | 02:19 |
| @preaction | what version are you running? | 02:19 |
| isaac__ | if I return COMPLETE then it sets currentActivityId right after I return | 02:20 |
| isaac__ | uhm | 02:20 |
| isaac__ | that worked | 02:20 |
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| isaac__ | looks like 7.4.16 | 02:21 |
| isaac__ | basically I'm short-circuiting the workflow. if I enter the condition where I want to end. I set the currentActivityId to the last activity then return WAITING. it then runs on the next loops and sees there's no activity next and finishes itup | 02:21 |
| @preaction | right, that's the hacky way to do it, and it probably won't work when you upgrade | 02:22 |
| isaac__ | really? Should still work. But yes, I agree there probably is a better way. | 02:23 |
| isaac__ | it should just be able to delete itslef like that other one. | 02:23 |
| isaac__ | I'll try to track down why that was failing. I just don't have time now. Gonna head home sono | 02:24 |
| isaac__ | soon | 02:24 |
| @preaction | i'd check lib/WebGUI/Operation/Workflow.pm, it should check to see if the instance actually exists, otherwise it should return "DONE" to spectre | 02:25 |
| @preaction | that's how it does it in the later versions | 02:25 |
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| isaac__ | k. I'll leave the better method in, and commented out. I can switch back to it after testing it on the new installtion. hack will work for now. | 02:27 |
| isaac__ | question: anyone think about adding a global switch that would cause all www_ methods to have a json only return? | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, preaction did the other day | 02:28 |
| @preaction | sounds quite extensive and not a good idea | 02:28 |
| isaac__ | so I can hit for op= and get everything back as json | 02:28 |
| @preaction | i did? good gravy what was i on? | 02:28 |
| isaac__ | yeah maybe not everything | 02:28 |
| isaac__ | but alot of stuff | 02:28 |
| isaac__ | like the op stuff and func stuff mostly | 02:28 |
| @preaction | will www_ajaxInlineView sate your needs? | 02:28 |
| isaac__ | I guess | 02:28 |
| isaac__ | that's for assets | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | later guys | 02:29 |
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| @preaction | func= is assets | 02:29 |
| isaac__ | I actually was thinking abotu writing a ExtJS 2.2 interface for the admin completely | 02:29 |
| isaac__ | so you could instantiate and admin console anywhere. | 02:29 |
| isaac__ | basically not need to drop into adminmode all the time/ever | 02:29 |
| @preaction | if you write it with YUI, it would be useful to the core | 02:29 |
| @preaction | also, you don't have to turn admin mode on really | 02:29 |
| isaac__ | I know. But I'm heavily invested in ext | 02:29 |
| isaac__ | I know | 02:29 |
| @preaction | you can do ?op=adminConsole whenever you want | 02:29 |
| isaac__ | I know | 02:29 |
| isaac__ | I mean actually instantiating the cnosole without reloading the page at all | 02:30 |
| isaac__ | YUI just doesn't cut it for GUI stuff. | 02:30 |
| @preaction | asynch load ?op=adminConsole and put it in a popup, sure | 02:30 |
| isaac__ | yeah. something like that. But basically not have any HTML get returned. so instantiate a window div for the console but load everything in via a Ext console interface. not actually pull stuff. IN the version I'm using the adminconsole sends alot of print "<script>blablabla</script>" stuff | 02:31 |
| isaac__ | so the view output is hardcoded into the server response | 02:31 |
| @preaction | i don't remember if 7.4 has content handlers, but that would be what you'd want to create | 02:32 |
| isaac__ | yeah. I've been thinking on it for a while. But not really having time. and not wanting to do something in the old version | 02:32 |
| isaac__ | anywho. Time to run home.. ttyl | 02:34 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7520 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: clean-up, get ready to test set | 02:56 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7521 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: check the logging for duping a singleton | 02:56 |
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| BartJol | hee patspam morning there already? | 03:16 |
| patspam | yessir :) | 03:16 |
| BartJol | damn, just going to bed, timezones suck! | 03:17 |
| patspam | how's things in your neck of the woods? | 03:17 |
| BartJol | well, somebody messed up my translation, actually that really pissed my off for a bit | 03:18 |
| BartJol | for the rest I'm fine | 03:18 |
| patspam | ah yeah, you maintain the dutch translation right? | 03:18 |
| BartJol | glad that I was able to fix it | 03:18 |
| BartJol | yup | 03:19 |
| BartJol | but now I have the feeling I have to watch it | 03:19 |
| BartJol | but tonight I had some beers with Martin and Joeri, so that made me feel fine already | 03:21 |
| BartJol | how is it in didgeridoo-land? | 03:21 |
| patspam | hah | 03:21 |
| BartJol | rabbitty? | 03:21 |
| BartJol | just wanna get rid of all vooroordelen | 03:24 |
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| patspam | yes many rabbits and didgeridoos | 04:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I think I need a bigger hammer for Thingy. | 04:55 |
| patspam | I thought thingy was the biggest hammer around? | 05:19 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7522 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (109 files in 37 dirs): WebGUI_flux: merged r7414:7521 from trunk | 06:19 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: you still awake? | 06:36 |
| @preaction | patspam, serious question: Yellow cake w/ chocolate frosting, brownies, or peanut-butter cookies? | 06:37 |
| patspam | brownies all the way! | 06:38 |
| patspam | mmmmm http://images.google.com.au/images?q=brownies | 06:39 |
| @preaction | sounds good | 06:40 |
| @preaction | they get chocolate frosting too | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | peanut butter cookies sandwiches with nutella | 06:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: here now | 06:44 |
| patspam | I urgently need to ask you... | 06:45 |
| patspam | Yellow cake w/ chocolate frosting, brownies, or peanut-butter cookies? | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Did you know that your state sales tax varies almost 2:1 across various municipiliaties | 06:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | brownies al la mode | 06:45 |
| @preaction | we're taking a poll now? | 06:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | actually I like them in a bowl covered in milk. | 06:46 |
| @preaction | wait, seriously? | 06:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | absolutely | 06:46 |
| @preaction | if i wasn't aversed to milk, that actually sounds pretty good | 06:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | how about oatmilk? | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | soymilk? | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | ricemilk? | 06:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm getting ill thinking about it | 06:47 |
| @preaction | nope, just the idea of it | 06:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oatmilk? What devilish creation is that? | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it's like soymilk | 06:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and how do you millk them? | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | just a suspension | 06:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: state sales tax is like 4.5% and then cities and counties can have their own. Counties usually have a fraction of a % and cities ~3-5%. Is that about what you're seeing? | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah. Some place has a 9% sales tax, though | 06:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | my city has a 9.5% with state+county+city | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have property tax or income tax? | 06:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | At first you might think that is outrageously high. But then realize the median income is $22K for a family of 4, so they have to rob the poor poeple to pay for standard services. | 06:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes, property and income tax | 06:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | although I live outside of city limits so my property is only like $1k/year | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | At my house in OKC, it was $1.8 for a similar house. | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | That's similar to what I pay in Hillsboro | 06:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | what are things like in your neck of the woods? | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | We have property tax and income tax | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | no sales tax | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Lots of people come from Washington to buy stuff here. | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't remember what the exact rates are | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Just when I go to the store, and it says $2.99 for something, that's what I pay. | 06:53 |
| nuba | hah, perlmonkey2 is a hillbilly?!?! :D | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | OK is a poorer state, yet services cost roughly the same. So we get a higher percentage of taxes. Either that or our state gov is abnormally corrupt and inept. Wait, that isn't an either but an either/or | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nuba: don't we have to have hills to be a hillbilly? | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | He's an "Okie". | 06:54 |
| nuba | now thats an old school perl hacker | 06:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'd rather have sales taxes than income taxes. Consumption taxes are the way to go. Luckily it doens't matter which way is better, OK hedged their bets and went with both. | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Very proactive of them. | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | In any case, the enlightened people of Oklahoma now have sales tax data for WebGUI Shop. | 06:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | woot! | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | And, if as many people from Oklahoma buy data as all the other states put together.... | 06:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Only useful for Okies selling stuff to other Okies unless I miss my mark. | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | You can download data for other states, too, if you have affiliates/locations there | 06:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | you putting that in the bazaar also? | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bazaar?func=byVendor;vendorId=v0OOiY9tIz7NndDlZi7afg | 06:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What made you go after OK next? | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | You're there :) | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and it was easier than Arkansas | 06:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hah. Do we have any data on WG commercial installations? | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | JT said Nevada, Michigan, Ohio and someplace that I've forgotten. | 07:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Well that is depressing. Most of the state only has like a 1% city tax if that. | 07:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Oh, I bet those are all county zip. | 07:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yep | 07:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm in 74820 and I'm pretty sure I pay ~9.5%, yet your data says I should only be paying 5.19% | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | http://oktax.geo.ou.edu/cgi-bin/otc.cgi?ft=search&template=OTCCurrGeneralSearch.htm&vn=9 | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | The data is straight from the Oklahoma web site | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't go down to the zip+4 level | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: are you around, or are you cooking? | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | or both? :) | 07:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | More importantly why can't the Combo box and selection slider spontaneously combust? I haven't seen a good bit burning in a while. | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Someone told me one of my chips caught on fire while they were testing it. | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | No video, though | 07:11 |
| nuba | spontaneous combustion sounds like spinal tap drumming thing | 07:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hah, you almost got me, but potato chips don't combust unless you have some seriously painful salsa. | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | They combust if you put 35V DC across them | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and they're only rated for 6V | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | He was convinced that he'd found a bug | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | until I showed him the spec | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | "Look, it's right here beneath the recommended dips." | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | "Only 6V" | 07:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I bet he felt silly | 07:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Not looking at the recommended dips | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, everyone knows the only proper dips for potato chips are spinach, artichoke and sour cream and onion | 07:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | He should at least redone the test for posterity (and youtube) | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Indeed :) | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | But at $dayJob, they kind of frown on combustion. | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It's quite frustrating | 07:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Burning silicon must be a lot of fun. | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It stinks really bad. | 07:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Stinks? I don't think you should be breathing that. | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Probably not | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be back in a bit | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I need a snack that won't cost me $20 to eat | 07:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | getting a gas mask? | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | If preaction comes back, tell him I need help with another Workflow/Instance bug. | 07:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | aye aye | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | so far, I've written about 25 tests, and found and fixed 3 bugs | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Not bad :) | 07:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You're on fire | 07:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Someone must have given you 35V | 07:20 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, sup | 07:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The last few hours I've just been flailing with the Thingy bugs. | 07:20 |
| @preaction | got 15 minutes until brownies done | 07:20 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7523 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl: WebGUI_flux: brownies all the way | 07:23 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7524 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (6 files): Update from translation server | 07:23 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7525 /translations/Spanish/notes.txt: Update from translation server | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, what does isNew do in Workflow::Instance->new ? | 07:26 |
| @preaction | dunno yet | 07:26 |
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| @preaction | looks like it marks that the workflow instance has already started... for some reason... | 07:27 |
| @preaction | ah | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | so if isNew = 1, then it has already started? | 07:28 |
| @preaction | isNew means it HASNT been started yet | 07:28 |
| @preaction | if you look at where $self->{_started} is used in DESTROY, it starts it just in case | 07:28 |
| @preaction | it seems... unnecessary and redundant | 07:30 |
| @preaction | heh, it's there for new() for some reason | 07:30 |
| @preaction | create() uses it | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | so that it doesn't "autostart"? | 07:31 |
| @preaction | no, isNew, if true, means it hasn't been started yet | 07:31 |
| @preaction | so i assume it means that spectre doesn't yet know about it, whatever start() does | 07:31 |
| @preaction | so new() without the isNew flag means you're getting an existing Instance | 07:32 |
| @preaction | new() with the isNew flag should be deprecated in favor of create() | 07:32 |
| @preaction | and create() shouldn't call new, it should bless itself | 07:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll update the POD | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk has been busy hacking the Spanish translation. | 07:35 |
| @preaction | sweet, i know a few people who want that | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | really? who? | 07:36 |
| @preaction | some pb customers with spanish sites | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | i c | 07:37 |
| @preaction | i suppose with wg8 coming up we should start leaving notes about which APIs need to be fixed / made sane | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, there's only a few ;) | 07:38 |
| @preaction | then we're going to have to get tests for those methods so we can be sure we don't screw them up | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | good luck finding someone to write those | 07:39 |
| @preaction | i think there's a bunch | 07:39 |
| @preaction | Paginator, for example, needs to be better and needs to work with YUI stuff | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I was going to spend a lot of time writing Activity tests. If I need to be concentrating on something else, all y'all need to do is let me know. | 07:39 |
| @preaction | nono, workflow please | 07:40 |
| @preaction | i'm just continuing my delusions of grandeur | 07:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Please, delude on | 07:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7526 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): Add more tests, and fix the POD documentation for the new method. | 07:51 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7527 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): | 08:20 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: enable_flux.pl now intelligently handles wg config file updating so that we can revert to the std WebGUI.conf.orig | 08:20 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: - adds Flux content handler to contentHandlers section | 08:20 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: - adds WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CheckFluxRules to Activities/None workflows section | 08:20 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7528 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): backporting Workflow/Instance tests | 08:20 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7529 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (FLUX_README.txt enable_flux.pl): WebGUI_flux: updated docs | 08:20 |
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| wgGuest49 | hello | 15:47 |
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| elnino | hi! we're trying to upload an mp3 file and when my client tried, an error about "server did not permit this" occurred. Is there a setting somewhere? | 17:56 |
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| zylo | Greetings all :D | 19:12 |
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| elnino | hi! we're trying to upload an mp3 file and when my client tried, an error about "server did not permit this" occurred. Is there a setting somewhere? | 20:40 |
| elnino | sorry, if I missed any responses. | 20:40 |
| zylo | Are you logged in as admin on webgui? | 20:42 |
| zylo | And does he have permission with his user to upload? | 20:43 |
| elnino | yes. | 21:07 |
| elnino | and yes. | 21:07 |
| elnino | they are admin. | 21:07 |
| elnino | I'll go find a mp3 and try this myself. | 21:13 |
| elnino | I uploaded a 3M mp3 just fine. so know I'm wondering if there is a size limit. | 21:23 |
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| zylo | What size is it? | 21:35 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7530 /translations/German/German/ (9 files): Update from translation server | 22:35 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7533 /translations/Slovenian/Slovenian/ (Asset_File.pm Asset.pm WebGUI.pm Asset_Poll.pm): Update from translation server | 01:22 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7536 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Internationalize the subject of emails sent for password recovery. | 01:22 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7537 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport i18n subject for password recovery emails | 01:22 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | anyone awake? | 01:45 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 02:13 |
| @Haarg | so this is interesting, i'm trying to graft together the cvs and svn history into one git repository | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 02:14 |
| @Haarg | not sure how well it's going to work so far | 02:14 |
| @Haarg | i need to make sure i'm importing the cvs stuff correctly before trying it again | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | it took something like 6-7 hours when i tried the first time | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that SF's pipe isn't the fastest. | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | that, plus it's a lot of processing and network connections intermixed | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | so who's the Slovenian hacker working on i18n? | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Does anyone know? | 02:27 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: I'm awake! | 03:37 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7538 /translations/Danish/ (162 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 06:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7539 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm doesn't include fields and contents when exporting | 06:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7540 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t): Fix a bug where GUID style userIds were rejected by AssetExportHtml. | 06:08 |
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| elnino | hello! | 06:25 |
| elnino | subscriptions are just user groups, right? | 06:25 |
| @Haarg | yes | 06:26 |
| elnino | does the whole group expire at once? or does each user expire independantly based on their "start date" | 06:26 |
| elnino | I'm thinking each user... | 06:27 |
| @Haarg | each user | 06:27 |
| elnino | oh good! do you happen to konw the field in the Db that stores this? | 06:27 |
| @Haarg | groupings.expireDate | 06:28 |
| elnino | cool. thanks! That's it! | 06:28 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7541 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t): backporting AssetExportHtml userId fix | 06:42 |
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| elnino | is the subscription code, something you give a user, that they can enter upon "registration" to your site and be added to the subscription group? | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | That sounds right | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Not necessarily upon registration, but they can go to the subscription asset and enter it in there to redeem it. | 07:06 |
| elnino | ah. Ok. I don't see a subscription asset. but I think there was a macor or something that I saw somewhere. | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, that would be 7.5.11 and higher | 07:19 |
| elnino | oh.. ok. =) | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | before then, Subscription is a Admin Console function | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | which WebGUI are you using nowadays? | 07:19 |
| elnino | I believe both sites are on 7.4.40 | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | How is the little Macro doing, elnino? | 07:28 |
| elnino | mmm. my daugher? or am i supposed to be working on a macro? My brain is a little fried right now... | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I was referring to your daughter. She's not old enough to be an Asset yet. | 07:30 |
| elnino | what?! she's priceless, she is definately an asset! | 07:31 |
| elnino | she's growing so, she's been sleeping more. it's been interesting watcing her recently. | 07:32 |
| elnino | she will put put a bowl, into a square container and put it on the table, | 07:33 |
| elnino | but what is more interesting, is that sh'l make the same combinations with the same objects and line | 07:33 |
| elnino | them up equi-distant from each other on the coffee table. | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | she's cloning objects | 07:34 |
| elnino | definately | 07:34 |
| elnino | maybe she is a macro after all | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | she can't do inheritance yet, so probably a macro | 07:35 |
| elnino | recording everythign we do, that's for sure. she watches and listens well, and surprises us often when she repeats something. | 07:35 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7542 /branch/colin-experimental/ (83 files in 34 dirs): merging with HEAD | 07:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7543 /branch/colin-experimental/t/ (Mail Mail/Send.t): this test is missing in my branch, adding it | 07:40 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, how does that merging WORK for you? | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | works fine | 07:45 |
| @preaction | every time i do it, it comes up with a billion conflicts | 07:45 |
| @preaction | what do you do? | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep a clean branch | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | "I do one thing. I do it very well, then I move on" | 07:45 |
| @preaction | i only ever add things, i never modify core things | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Can anyone name the TV show that quote comes from? | 07:45 |
| @preaction | and still i get conflicts | 07:45 |
| @preaction | no | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | M.A.S.H. | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | When Charles Emerson Winchester first comes on the show. | 07:46 |
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| @preaction | radar? | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope. | 07:46 |
| @preaction | i haven't watched enough mash | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Radar is Walter O'Reilly | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | You have FIOS? | 07:47 |
| @preaction | no, DSL | 07:47 |
| @preaction | FIOS hasn't reached my area yet | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, it's on TV Land quite often if you need to catch up | 07:47 |
| @preaction | i think TMRFE might have it in his collection | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | He'd loan it to you | 07:48 |
| @preaction | oh, oh oh oh oh oh he has farscape though | 07:48 |
| @preaction | i might want that first | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | The RFE list needs maintenance badly | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Some have been implemented already | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | some are irrelevant now | 07:49 |
| @preaction | yeah. we need that new request tracker for it :p | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of duplicates | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | is that the same thing as the new bug tracker? | 07:50 |
| @preaction | yeah | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Is the plan to go through the RFE list when the new tracker is added to PB.com? | 07:50 |
| @preaction | it'd be nice if they were all in the same place really | 07:50 |
| @preaction | i dunno | 07:51 |
| @preaction | frank's doing it on his own time, so we've got a pool going for when it (if it) gets done | 07:51 |
| @preaction | ;) | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | He's committed a bunch of code already | 07:52 |
| @preaction | i wonder if my DSL place will let me max out my speed. they said in the test that they got about 8meg throughput to the access point | 07:52 |
| @preaction | yeah, he's really motivated on it | 07:52 |
| elnino_laptop | what bug trackers areyou guys comparing to as far as determining what features the new bug tracker should have? | 07:52 |
| elnino_laptop | I meant, what bug tracker software... | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino_laptop, I think that they've looked at RT, SF.net, Google and a few others. | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | The biggest thing will be decoupling it from the CS. | 07:53 |
| @preaction | all the big players: bugzilla, RT, the MS project thing, i suggested launchpad, there's one in particular Jt wanted but i can't remember it | 07:53 |
| @preaction | moho or something | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd look at JIRA | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | SusanB uses it. So do we at $dayJob. | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: how do you deal with db schema changes in upgrade scripts? | 07:54 |
| @preaction | i think the words were "Look at these. Don't do what these do." | 07:54 |
| @preaction | except for that moho one | 07:54 |
| @preaction | RT and Bugzilla were good examples of what not to do | 07:54 |
| elnino_laptop | I'd look at JIRA too. | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | If Atlassian open source JIRA, they'd put RT out of business. | 07:55 |
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| elnino_laptop | what's RT? | 07:55 |
| @preaction | Request Tracker | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Request Tracker, from Best Practical | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Jesse Vincent's perl company | 07:55 |
| @preaction | a perl-based request tracker | 07:55 |
| elnino_laptop | never heard of it. I live and breathe JIRA. | 07:56 |
| elnino_laptop | I need to install it for my own use at home. | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | From the user side, it's pretty nice. | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Never used it as a dev. | 07:56 |
| @preaction | http://www.mojohelpdesk.com/ <- this one is the one JT likes | 07:57 |
| @preaction | just the screenshots | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it's made by Metadot | 07:58 |
| @preaction | the ease-of-use aspect mostly | 07:58 |
| @preaction | Trac i think was another we were looking at | 07:58 |
| @preaction | i <3 Trac | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Metadot makes the only other complete Perl CMS that I know of | 07:58 |
| @preaction | really? | 07:59 |
| @preaction | that mojo thing is RoR | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, you ever read the story of how I came to use WebGUI? | 07:59 |
| @preaction | i have a vague recollection of the word metadot in there | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I spent months learning Metadot, and was almost ready to roll it out at my church | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and the week before I was ready to roll, they yanked the open source offering of Metadot | 08:00 |
| @preaction | wow | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | The community died within a few months | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | They tried a fork, but it didn't take | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | And it took me months more to find WebGUI | 08:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I emailed JT back and forth like 15 times, trying to gauge his commitment to open source, free software and community involvement | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and finally I was convinced it was safe to try | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and I've been here ever since | 08:02 |
| @preaction | and we're eternally grateful that you are, let me assure you | 08:02 |
| @preaction | which reminds me that i need to start going to more conferences and wearing webgui t-shirts | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Or, going to more political gatherings and wearing a Che-T shirt | 08:03 |
| @preaction | ... god that's still funny | 08:03 |
| elnino_laptop | so does your church use webgui? I tried to convicne ours, but they hired a parttime programmer wanna be and he was conviced he would right something better. | 08:03 |
| elnino_laptop | in coldfusion | 08:04 |
| @preaction | elnino_laptop, that poor church... i once thought as he did (but in Perl) | 08:04 |
| @preaction | if i had known about webgui, i wouldn't have tried | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino_laptop, then did for 5 years, but when we retired they moved it to something else. | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Although, they're thinking about going back... | 08:04 |
| elnino_laptop | it's so feature rich.. I just don't get it. they wanted workflows and version control and everything.. | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | ekennedy on the forums is another church webmaster (and coder) | 08:06 |
| elnino_laptop | I have default version tag workflow as "commit content immediately" but I still have to commit them. Do I need to set "automatically request commit" to yes as well? - I'm admin | 08:10 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7544 /branch/colin-experimental/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add rfe: add url to assetHistory table | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, that, and also skip comments | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the default in 7.5 | 08:10 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, if you add that to 7.6.0, you should be fine as is. you have to upgrade to the latest 7.5 before you can upgrade to 7.6, that's how it is every time | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, cool. So I can remove the db schema check before the write? | 08:11 |
| @preaction | though, if we kept schema changes outside of the normal upgrade, we could run all of them before the upgrade happens | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we don't handle schema changes well right now | 08:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we need schema scripts, as well as upgrade scripts | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | is that what you're suggesting? | 08:12 |
| @preaction | essentially, yes | 08:12 |
| elnino_home | I'm going, wireless is going wacko. please kill off elnino_laptop.. Good night! | 08:13 |
| @preaction | a long long while ago i proposed a more OO upgrade, something you could check isApplied or you could use in a more flexible way | 08:13 |
| @preaction | but that's more work for the developer | 08:13 |
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| @preaction | why didn't I use Class::Trait again? is it bad with mod_perl? | 08:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't remember. | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | That sounds right | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or mixins is bad | 08:15 |
| @preaction | why are mixins bad? in your opinion | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Uh, I mean either Class::Trait or mixins has problems with mod_perl | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | problems with mod_perl == bad | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all | 08:16 |
| @preaction | no, it looks like Class::Trait can't check @REQUIRED and such, it will just throw errors instead | 08:16 |
| @preaction | which is fine | 08:16 |
| @preaction | which means i should move to Class::Trait | 08:16 |
| @preaction | it's definately better than mixin.pm, especially when the namespaces start getting cluttered | 08:18 |
| @preaction | anyway | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so you think rev 7545 ought to be safe/ | 08:18 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 08:18 |
| @preaction | yeah, should be fine. just put in the gotchas that "you must upgrade to the latest 7.5 version before trying to upgrade to 7.6.0 or past | 08:19 |
| +perlDreamer | if rizen gives the go ahead, I'll do that | 08:19 |
| +perlDreamer | although, from recent emails, I think I'm free to go ahead and commit stuff | 08:19 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm thinking he's becoming more lenient with the core | 08:20 |
| @preaction | so is having an i18n system for javascript as awesome as i think it will be? besides the immense amounts of extra work i've caused by building it? | 08:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | as we move more into JS, it won't hurt | 08:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that's for sure :) | 08:30 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, I still have to do my benchmarking | 08:30 |
| +perlDreamer | but that will be tomorrow | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | we older folk need our rest | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | g'night preaction. | 08:31 |
| @preaction | night | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and all other lurkers out there | 08:31 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7545 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm: since people must upgrade to the latest 7.5 before going to 7.6, the schema check is not needed | 08:38 |
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| patspam | anyone awake? | 10:36 |
| @preaction | i am, unfortunately | 10:36 |
| patspam | heh, awesome! | 10:36 |
| patspam | I've got a fairly basic question about default templates | 10:36 |
| @preaction | ok | 10:37 |
| patspam | say you're creating a new skin for you wg site, and you create your own template for something, say an Article template | 10:37 |
| patspam | and you want that template to be used as the default for all new Articles that your content managers add to the site | 10:38 |
| patspam | can you do that? | 10:38 |
| @preaction | make a prototype and remove the existing Article from the New Content pane by removing it from assets in the config file | 10:38 |
| patspam | ahhhhh | 10:38 |
| patspam | nice | 10:38 |
| patspam | the other route, editing the "Default Article" would be bad right? because when you upgraded your site your changes might get wiped out by the new default template? | 10:39 |
| patspam | (if it had been changed in that release) | 10:39 |
| @preaction | right | 10:40 |
| patspam | does seem a little bit hacky though | 10:41 |
| patspam | I feel like wobjects would expose some sort of 'change defaults' interface... then again I suppose that's what prototypes are doing | 10:43 |
| patspam | I guess the slick new Admin Console bar will make it easier to hide the original wobject too | 10:49 |
| patspam | thanks for the tip, most appreciated! | 10:50 |
| patspam | I'm orf for dinner :) | 10:51 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7546 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Functionalized the datatable javascript. Added the url to each ticket link. my tickets now shows things submitted by me as well as things assigned to me. | 14:57 |
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| @khenn | anyone know if it's possible to join multiple classes in the getLineage method | 01:58 |
| @khenn | the code looks odd | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | khenn, no, it's not | 02:14 |
| @khenn | yeah I have an new plan | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | WRE 0.8.5 is out! | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | And there was great rejoicing in the channel | 07:18 |
| @tavisto | woop woop | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | yeah uh... if that's great then I'd hate to see good | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | preaction or apeiron should update the channel title so that it reflects the WRE 0.8.5 | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | perldreamer, I updated the webgui.org/download page so that people understand what stuff is a bit more | 07:24 |
| @tavisto | I'm going to see about graphically adding some separation to the 3 download options as well | 07:24 |
| @tavisto | probably wrapping each option in something like on the "learn" page so there's a bit of visual separation | 07:25 |
| @tavisto | the old WRE installation instructions (that were modifiable) are now gone and the WRE install instructions are formatted a bit better. Still need to do something with the stuff that you type in... per SteveD's comments on the etc forums | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and we need a new VMware appliance | 07:30 |
| @tavisto | aye, but that's not my dept :) | 07:32 |
| @tavisto | someone just emailed me about it saying I need to check our profile.. doesn't make any sense but I'm going to find out what's up with it | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | profile where? | 07:38 |
| @preaction | tavisto, anyone can change the topic | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | on vmware.com perlDreamer | 07:42 |
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| @tavisto | ah preaction, I figured as much but being that my l33t IRC skills were lost in like uh 96... | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | when I gave up 0-day warez I basically lost the skillz | 07:43 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you were a black hat? | 07:43 |
| @preaction | using colloquy? there should be a nice easy way to change the topic like | 07:43 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, if consuming the warez counts, maybe ;) | 07:43 |
| @tavisto | well I was an op back in the days of cobra and dalnet... then one of my buddies on the channel disappeared (later found out jail for being courier for class and Razor - two big groups back in the day) | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | anyway, I decided it was not worth free software | 07:44 |
| @preaction | noice | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | yeeah | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | but you're probably right.. colloquy probably has some flashy title changer | 07:45 |
| -!- perlDreamer changed the topic of #webgui to: Brownies with frosting ($20) | 07:45 | |
| @tavisto | keep in mind.. back in the day I had mandrake linux on one box and windows NT on another... script wars and channel takeovers were possible back then | 07:45 |
| @preaction | ... and who will be supplying said brownies? | 07:45 |
| @preaction | i've got Perl to code, no time to bake! | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction will, of course | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | He made brownies last night | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | There must be leftovers | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | preaction is waiting for his perl to compile so he can | 07:46 |
| @preaction | besides, i'm baking yellow cake now | 07:46 |
| @preaction | i already ate all the brownies | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Dude | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | uh isn't yellow cake a like uh bad thing to say on open channels | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | You and your metabolism are entirely frustrating | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | crap I just said it | 07:46 |
| @preaction | oh no, i assume i'm going to be paying for this for a while now | 07:48 |
| @tavisto | finished up the University of Minnesota Law School success story draft. Now hoping for minimal red tape | 07:52 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto* crosses fingers | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | They have to approve the story before it's released? | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Somebody bought some sales tax data. | 08:13 |
| +perlDreamer | How the heck did that happen? | 08:13 |
| @preaction | dunno, someone wanted to buy some? | 08:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess that's allowed. | 08:15 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7547 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm: Fix a typo in my SQL query in assetHistory | 08:29 |
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| +Radix-wrk | don't tease us with the promise of brownies when you can't deliver pls :P | 08:44 |
| @preaction | blame colin, not me | 08:44 |
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| +cap10morgan | is there a webgui database checker script somewhere? makes sure all the right indexes are setup, all tables are MyISAM, good things like that? | 18:12 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm having some crazy database performance issues lately | 18:12 |
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| +cap10morgan | falling short of that, should the namespace_cachekey_size index on cache be indexing the namespace, cachekey, and expires fields or namespace, cachekey, and size like the name implies? | 18:17 |
| @rizen | yes it should | 18:18 |
| @rizen | no there isn't a script | 18:18 |
| +cap10morgan | it should be indexing expires or size? | 18:18 |
| @rizen | size | 18:18 |
| +cap10morgan | interesting | 18:18 |
| +cap10morgan | it's expires on all my sites | 18:18 |
| +cap10morgan | well that could very well be all my performance issues right there | 18:19 |
| @rizen | there probably should be one for both actually | 18:19 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, so add a new one that does namespace, cachekey, size you think? | 18:19 |
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| @rizen | i don't know i'd have to look at it | 18:19 |
| @rizen | i'm just guessing here | 18:19 |
| +cap10morgan | sure | 18:19 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i'll see if i can figure out how / if this is different from a newly deployed site in 7.5.22 and file a bug if so | 18:20 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7548 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm): Made the charset metatag the highest thing in the head block. | 18:21 |
| @rizen | whatever it is that you have is probably what's on everybody else's sites too...so i'd look elsewhere for your problems | 18:21 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, so when you said it should be indexing size, you weren't saying that my installation was totally messed up. you were just saying really, webgui should setup both indexes, but doesn't right now? | 18:22 |
| @rizen | yes | 18:23 |
| +cap10morgan | gotcha | 18:23 |
| @rizen | i'm saying there's likely nothing screwed up on your table right now | 18:23 |
| @rizen | or if it is, it's screwed for everybody | 18:23 |
| +cap10morgan | ok | 18:23 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm | 18:23 |
| @rizen | and therefore isn't your problem | 18:23 |
| @rizen | have you turned on slow query log on mysql yet? | 18:24 |
| @rizen | if not, start there | 18:24 |
| @rizen | it will tell you the problem 99% of the time | 18:24 |
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| +cap10morgan | yeah, it's spitting out basically every query at this point | 18:25 |
| @rizen | have you shut down your database and run a myisamchk -r *.MYI yet? | 18:26 |
| @rizen | if not, do that | 18:26 |
| +cap10morgan | no, will do that | 18:26 |
| @rizen | you have to be in the database folder when you run that | 18:26 |
| +cap10morgan | sure | 18:26 |
| @rizen | cd /data/wre/var/mysqldata/www_example_com | 18:26 |
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| +cap10morgan | it's fixing indexes | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, everybody | 19:04 |
| @preaction | morning | 19:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hello | 19:17 |
| @rizen | you call this morning? it's practically noon you slacker. =) | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Someone has been buying state tax data. I'm now a business slacker. | 19:20 |
| @rizen | really? i haven't seen an order for it go by | 19:21 |
| @rizen | if you'd hurry up and put up wisconsin i'd buy that | 19:21 |
| @rizen | even though we don't really need it...i'd do it just to be in conformance | 19:21 |
| @rizen | compliance | 19:21 |
| @rizen | whatever the word is | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't sell you Wisconsin. You can have it for free. | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Bazaar says there have been downloads for Oklahoma and California. | 19:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: there is a problem with your OK state data. You got it from an OK state agency, which obviously makes it wrong. | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | my tax data isn't OK? | 19:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Not for OK | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ok, I'll see about fixing it. | 19:22 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer....it tallys that if you download it or any of my staff download it as well | 19:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I don't know how you would fix that as even the OK state's data isn't OK. | 19:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | OK this joke is no longer OK. | 19:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The latest bug is quite strange and *might* pose a security issue. The userId for that wgSession was 1. Anyone have any ideas? | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | they logged out | 19:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I checked ip's, and knowmad and faxioman have never used the same ones. | 19:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I also thought the 8.5wre woudl resolve the ap_get_server_banner() ... errors in modperl? | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | i think it was just noted in the gotchas | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | or something along those lines | 19:39 |
| @rizen | pm2: no | 19:39 |
| @rizen | the banner thing can only be fixed by going to apache 2.2 | 19:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, right. | 19:40 |
| @rizen | at least that's what it sounds like from the apache mailing list | 19:40 |
| @rizen | and we wouldn't do something like change apache versions in a minor point release | 19:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | No more hypothesis on how Visitor could have access to a users session? | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: In that case, I'm still just a "regular" slacker then. | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | What's the "new, recommended" way to display a list of users as a form element? Form/Users? | 20:03 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7550 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/form.js: Added a method which parses a form and returns a properly encoded post string. | 20:34 |
| khenn_ | Form/Users lets someone choose a single user | 20:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, khenn | 20:35 |
| @khenn | I don't think there is a form control that allows you to display a list of users | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | That's what I really meant (display a list so that one can be chosen) | 20:37 |
| @khenn | ah then yes | 20:37 |
| @khenn | Form/User | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Form/User won't let me specify a subquery though. I'll just use a selectBox | 20:44 |
| topsub | How can i stop this from running.. http://pastebin.com/m18d8d38c | 21:23 |
| topsub | its Filling up the logs like crazy | 21:24 |
| topsub | Khenn you can pick a single user | 21:24 |
| topsub | khenn it can not do a one to many list | 21:24 |
| @khenn | right, I thought he was asking for something that allowed you to pick multiple users | 21:25 |
| topsub | ah | 21:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Looks like wre8.5 has a mysql issue fixed for all new db's created, but existing db's still have a problem of their max_join_size being an unsigned value. Does this need to be corrected or should the mysql warning just be ignore? | 21:34 |
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| Lisette | hello, i have a question about the cart | 21:44 |
| Lisette | if i want change the post of the button "choose shipping address" how to do? | 21:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | To fix this bug would break all the custom templates for Articles out there. What should be done? | 21:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/multiple-attachments-on-an-article-asset | 21:51 |
| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: is the article asset supposed to have more than one attachment? | 21:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bopbop: you can add as many as you want. | 21:52 |
| @bopbop | really | 21:52 |
| Lisette | i want redirect the post of "choose shipping address" for another link, how to do? | 21:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bopbop: I just added two more to my Article | 21:52 |
| @bopbop | Lisette: you can access the cart template- maybe you can change it there? | 21:53 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: it's only supposed to allow one attached file and one image | 21:53 |
| @bopbop | that's what I thought, rizen | 21:53 |
| @bopbop | oh good | 21:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: okay, then I'll correct the bug by only allowing a single attachment. | 21:53 |
| @rizen | plus, it shouldn't allow any attachments going forward | 21:53 |
| @rizen | we're going to make people attach stuff using the rich editor's attachment tools | 21:54 |
| @rizen | pm2 | 21:54 |
| @rizen | no, what i'm saying is | 21:54 |
| @rizen | it's not a bug | 21:54 |
| @rizen | it works as expected | 21:54 |
| @rizen | and as designed | 21:54 |
| @rizen | it allows you to upload 2 files | 21:54 |
| @bopbop | she should use File Pile if she wants more,right? | 21:54 |
| @rizen | where one is a file and the other is an image | 21:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 21:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | then I'll just close the bug :) | 21:55 |
| @rizen | bopbop: yes, either that or use the rich editor's attachment features to upload stuff to the media folder | 21:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: i just uploaded my 3rd file. | 21:56 |
| @bopbop | so there is a bug | 21:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But only one file and one image is shown. | 21:56 |
| @bopbop | can you make the attachment fields stop displaying after two attachments are added? | 21:57 |
| @bopbop | instead of continuing to add a new blank field? it's easy to see why she thought you could add many | 21:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes, I'll look into it. Hope it isn't ajaxified. | 21:58 |
| @rizen | pm2 it's very easy to limit it to 2 files | 21:58 |
| @rizen | the form control has a param for that | 21:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nice | 21:58 |
| @bopbop | rizen: what are the rich editor's attachment features? is it not in the default cm rich edit? or am I being dense and just not seeing it? | 21:59 |
| @bopbop | collateral image manager? | 22:00 |
| @rizen | there's one for images and one for files | 22:00 |
| @rizen | yes collateral manager | 22:00 |
| @rizen | although that's an outdated term for it | 22:00 |
| @bopbop | ok, so the hover text over it should be changed eventually too | 22:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, Article has maxAttachments at 25, yet it would appear to need to be 2. | 22:02 |
| @rizen | yes it should be 2 | 22:03 |
| @bopbop | I don't see one for files, just images... | 22:03 |
| @rizen | probably just a typo | 22:03 |
| @rizen | bopbop...the one that looks like a tree | 22:03 |
| @rizen | a file manager tree | 22:03 |
| @rizen | so you can link to assets | 22:03 |
| @bopbop | so how does that help them attach a file | 22:04 |
| @bopbop | you're going to make them upload things they want to attach as file assets and then link through that? | 22:05 |
| @rizen | well it will have to be updated so you can upload a file directly through it just like the image one does | 22:06 |
| @rizen | i said eventually, i'm not making this change today | 22:06 |
| @bopbop | oh, ok | 22:06 |
| @rizen | but when we make the change, some stuff will have to be changed to accomodate it | 22:06 |
| @rizen | but it makes a lot more sense to use a uniform system for uploads like that | 22:07 |
| @rizen | than to build one for each asset | 22:07 |
| @rizen | so you can attach stuff | 22:07 |
| @bopbop | it does- the way you were referring to it made me think it was something available to use already | 22:07 |
| @rizen | you can link it today | 22:07 |
| @rizen | but you can't upload today | 22:07 |
| @rizen | at least for files | 22:07 |
| @rizen | only images can be uploaded right now | 22:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | There is a bug about allowing assets to be added to assets that can't display them (articles added to articles). Is this really a bug and only pagelayouts or other assets which can show assets be allowed to have assets added to them? | 22:15 |
| @Haarg | not a bug | 22:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: "It is up to the CM's to know which assets should be added where and there are sometimes reasons to make assets children of assets which can't display their children", sound good? | 22:18 |
| @Haarg | sounds fine | 22:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: If my wife lands a quest lecturer in Ukraine next year would there be any problem with me working from there? | 22:20 |
| @rizen | nope | 22:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If you haven't fired me by then :D | 22:20 |
| @rizen | as long as you can do what we ask of you from there, then no problem at all | 22:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sweet | 22:21 |
| @rizen | perhaps you're finally catching on to the notion of how irrelevant "where" you work at PB is | 22:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Coolest gig ever. | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, there's another template for displaying multiple attachments in an Article | 22:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Just eyeballing the code, it looks like there are no template arrays to fill out that data. | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | line 299, Asset::Wobject::Article | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | PBtmpl0000000000000207 <-- that's the template that uses it | 22:31 |
| Lisette | how to do to change the post of the button pay of the cart? | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, that's an internationalized label | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | In namespace: Shop, label "choose shipping button" | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | If you don't like that, then use the online Help to tell you which variables are available in the Shopping Cart template, remove the labels that you don't like, and hardcode the text | 22:34 |
| Lisette | yes, but i have to change the post of the button | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, that requires a lot of JS and HTML work in the template. | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | That's about as far as I have traced it. | 22:36 |
| Lisette | ok, thanks | 22:37 |
| Lisette | i think that this was in the code | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | It is. WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | method: www_view | 22:39 |
| Lisette | thanks | 22:40 |
| topsub | i am trying to get the lastest edits from these asses and this isn't getting what i expect. Anyone take a sec and see if i am missing something? http://pastebin.com/m1698c90f | 22:44 |
| topsub | Connecting the EMS, asset and assetData table | 22:44 |
| topsub | it does seem that the revisionDate from the EMS is different from assetData.. is that normal? | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you also have to join assetData and the EMS table on revisionDate | 22:46 |
| topsub | hmm i believe i am | 22:46 |
| topsub | line 5.. ad.assetId = ems.assetID | 22:47 |
| topsub | wait.. did i misunderstand what you meant? | 22:47 |
| topsub | oooo | 22:47 |
| topsub | i see do a connection on RevisionDate | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah. ad.revisionDate=ems.revisionDate | 22:49 |
| topsub | do i need to group on revisionDate then? | 22:52 |
| topsub | here i am hardcoding for this one asset where i am expecting only 1 result but i get 25.. am i missing something? http://pastebin.com/m2f7fef17 | 22:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if you are trying to limit on the max rev date, shouldn't that be in your where clause? | 22:59 |
| topsub | hmm believe max is done by the SELECT | 23:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | are there 25 assetData rows with that revisionDate? | 23:03 |
| topsub | We have multi EMS in the system and we want to pull all of them but with the lastest revision | 23:03 |
| topsub | seems like it pm2 | 23:03 |
| topsub | let do me sql query really quick | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | http://pastebin.com/m7fd74734 | 23:03 |
| topsub | yep there is | 23:04 |
| @Haarg | should probably have a check on status in the subselect actually | 23:04 |
| topsub | haarg, like status = approved? | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:06 |
| topsub | wow thanks a ton haarg. | 23:07 |
| topsub | why is the reason we had to do subseleects like that vs just equals? | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | you need to limit to just the row corresponding to the max revisionDate | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | there's no way to do that without a subselect | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub, are you going to help out with RFE day? | 23:12 |
| topsub | what do you mean? | 23:12 |
| topsub | like try and improve stuff? | 23:13 |
| topsub | or give feedback? | 23:13 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7551 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): Article now only allows two files to be uploaded. | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | like implement RFEs | 23:14 |
| topsub | i can surely try | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | here's what to do | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Pick an RFE that has been rated that you want to work on. | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Post back to the RFE saying that you're working on it | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | when it's done, grab a hold of a PB guy (most likely rizen) and let him know it's done. Just to double check that it's core approved. | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | then commit it | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | They've set aside the whole day tomorrow for it | 23:16 |
| topsub | ah.. if i ever can break free from knowmad work | 23:16 |
| topsub | got deadlines wednesday | 23:16 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7551 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): Article now only allows two files to be uploaded. | 23:20 |
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| topsub | Is there a bug with datetime not saving still? We seem to be having trouble within the EMS saving the DateTime | 23:29 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | in Shop, the only way to affect shipping price is through the Shipping Methods right? Individual products can not have shipping costs directly attached to them, only modifiers? | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | If a Sku does not have its isShippable method=1, then it won't have shipping applied to it | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the only way | 00:08 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I was working on the no international chars in URLS bug and I can't even enter in Chinese chars in a Title or Url. And the failure is not graceful at all. It creates a bugged version. | 00:27 |
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| elnino | hello! I have wre. 084, and everyonce in a while, site slows down, and then I get an email that modproxy is down and can't be restarted, and then the next email says it's been restarted. Is there a way for me ot "up" the error logs to see what may cause this? | 04:43 |
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| elnino | I just installed the additional cpan mod per 084 errata maybe that will help.. | 04:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | upgrade to 0.8.5? | 05:47 |
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| elnino | was there a fix for modproxy going down? I didn't see anything in the release notes. | 05:58 |
| @preaction | depends on what's in the error log | 06:16 |
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| elnino | which I had a bunch of: | 06:19 |
| elnino | Killed 0 Apache/mod_perl processes that were using too much memory. | 06:20 |
| elnino | Apache/mod_proxy reported down. Starting critical monitor. | 06:20 |
| elnino | Apache/mod_proxy on localhost is down and could not be restarted. | 06:20 |
| elnino | in wremonitor, and in mod_proxy: | 06:20 |
| elnino | child process 7185 still did not exit, sending a SIGTERM | 06:20 |
| elnino | and stuff about session cache, but that was in the release notes. - maybe that is what caused it? | 06:21 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7551 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): Article now only allows two files to be uploaded. | 06:21 |
| elnino | my mod perl looks the same, a bunch of child process still did not exit. I think those errors occured when I was trying to shut down the machine. VERY non responsive. never saw such a slow machine. | 06:22 |
| @preaction | wremonitor couldn't hit the mod_proxy server, so it decided to kill it to see if it would restart | 06:24 |
| @preaction | wremonitor gives something like 15 seconds or 30 seconds for the server to respond by default | 06:24 |
| @preaction | that's set in wre/etc/wre.conf under... hang on | 06:24 |
| @preaction | "apache" : "connectionTimeout" | 06:25 |
| elnino | so the question is why after a while, does the system slow to a halt, and then I get these messages? I don't recall having issues before, but then again, Ididn't have wremonitor running either. hmm. I also noticed that I have only 256K and I think you guys recommend 512 minimum. | 06:27 |
| elnino | hmmm. it did it again.. This is getting frequent. | 06:39 |
| @preaction | maybe turn on the slow_query_log for mysql to figure out where a slowdown is? | 06:49 |
| @preaction | is the server swapping? that's usually bad | 06:49 |
| @preaction | or perhaps running a backup? | 06:50 |
| elnino | oh yeah, backups. yep, thats about that time. So that's probably what it is now. | 06:54 |
| elnino | right now it's not swaping, but I'll look next time. | 06:58 |
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| elnino | do you recommend a good reporting tool that logs memory usage? and sends out reports on the health of the system? memory usage, bandwidth, etc. | 06:59 |
| @preaction | what we do is prevent wremonitor.pl from running during backups time | 06:59 |
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| @preaction | mod_status might be to your interest | 06:59 |
| elnino | that's probably a good idea. =) | 06:59 |
| elnino | I suppose that assumes i"M using wre's backup script as opposed to myown? | 07:00 |
| @preaction | not necessarily, preventing the wremonitor from running is done by editing the crontab entry | 07:00 |
| @preaction | like 0-23 (don't run wremonitor 23-24 when backups are running) | 07:00 |
| @preaction | or something | 07:00 |
| @preaction | 0-4,6-24 | 07:01 |
| @preaction | etc... | 07:01 |
| elnino | ah. sure, got it. Thanks | 07:01 |
| elnino | ok, this looks bad to me, am I right? | 07:04 |
| elnino | total used free shared buffers cached | 07:04 |
| elnino | Mem: 256 245 10 0 1 17 | 07:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | only got 256Mb mem huh? :) | 07:05 |
| elnino | I'm using 245 of memory? | 07:05 |
| elnino | Yep. | 07:05 |
| elnino | I know, recommeded is 512, right? | 07:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | yah | 07:05 |
| elnino | that's dedicated.. peak probaby 1G | 07:05 |
| elnino | but I'm not swapping. =) | 07:05 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's pretty bad | 07:05 |
| @preaction | do you have any swap? | 07:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | there's some things you can do to optimise your apache/mysql for 256Mb mem | 07:06 |
| @preaction | yeah, reduce MaxClients StartServers and MinSpareServers | 07:06 |
| @preaction | maybe make the mod_proxy instance use MPM_Worker instead | 07:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | and mysql cache | 07:06 |
| elnino | according to vmstat, no, not at this time. | 07:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | elnino: using a vps? | 07:06 |
| elnino | yes. | 07:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | same as me :) | 07:06 |
| @preaction | initializing a half-gig of unused disk space as swap might help you, it'll be slow as snails but it won't give OOM errors (it might be a tossup for which is worse) | 07:07 |
| elnino | I haven't gotten any OOM errer yet. Just 500 error when the site goes down and mod_proxy can't be reached. | 07:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: thanks for getting back to those 'sites are down' requests. | 07:09 |
| @preaction | np, i figured we didn't want to appear asleep at the switch, even if it was showing "Maintenance" and not actually down | 07:10 |
| elnino | I've been googling around. Looks like I can't have a swap partition on a vps server, is that right? | 07:17 |
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| elnino | preaction: do I add the mod_status to the modproxy file or the mod_perl file?, I'm assuming mod_proxy.conf file. | 07:28 |
| @preaction | modproxy.conf yeah | 07:29 |
| @preaction | something like <Location /server-status>SetHandler status</Location> or something | 07:29 |
| elnino | oh. looky, it's already there! | 07:33 |
| elnino | you guys think of everything. | 07:33 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7551 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): Article now only allows two files to be uploaded. | 07:35 |
| elnino | hm. do I have to setup the /server-status as a passthru? | 07:40 |
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| @preaction | elnino, probably yes | 07:49 |
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| @tavisto | anyone know if valuecms is operates out of Egypt? I think it does... | 08:02 |
| @tavisto | -is | 08:02 |
| @tavisto | nevermind.. found out it does through a subsidiary company website | 08:05 |
| elnino | preaction. oh good grief, you'd think that would be simple | 08:20 |
| @preaction | new url handlers? | 08:21 |
| elnino | I unfortunately missed that workshop. I wanted to go. | 08:21 |
| @preaction | add a line to the "urlHandlers" block: "^/server-status" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru" | 08:21 |
| elnino | my webgui.conf file didn't have passthru handlers. | 08:21 |
| elnino | so I had to add them | 08:21 |
| elnino | my modproxy files says I don't have permissiont to view server-status | 08:21 |
| elnino | I have another install of apache, I'm wondering if that is conflicting | 08:22 |
| @preaction | in your Location block you need "Order allow,deny" and "Allow from all" | 08:22 |
| elnino | I do. | 08:22 |
| elnino | well. no. | 08:22 |
| @preaction | look in the modproxy error log, it should say something about "Client denied by server configuration" | 08:22 |
| @preaction | or, what does it say? | 08:22 |
| elnino | yep. and it specifies 8081 | 08:22 |
| elnino | so then I thought I needed to specify a port in the location directive and it didn't like that. | 08:23 |
| elnino | I have Allow from 127.0.0.1 | 08:23 |
| elnino | I'll change it to all to see if it even works. | 08:23 |
| elnino | you can look at the wiki I wrote to see exacty what I did: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/enabling-mod_status | 08:30 |
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| BartJol | morning | 10:48 |
| patspam | morning :) | 10:50 |
| BartJol | good evening to you | 10:51 |
| patspam | heh that's ok, I'd rather pretend it was still morning | 10:51 |
| patspam | then i could still entertain the idea that i was going to get some work done today | 10:51 |
| BartJol | :) | 10:52 |
| BartJol | well, we'll be at work for another 8 hours, so feel free to join | 10:52 |
| patspam | heh yeah, RFE day! | 10:53 |
| * patspam eats a piece of stale carrot cake | 10:53 | |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:09 |
| BartJol | Morning | 16:10 |
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| BartJol | MrHairgrease: you scared Vrby | 16:27 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Woohoo RFE day! | 16:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | I wish it was for me | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's get your project finished day over here... | 16:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: you around? | 16:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: isn't that everyday? | 16:29 |
| patspam | barely.. | 16:29 |
| BartJol | mm, something wrong with the carrot cake? | 16:29 |
| patspam | heh no, just going on midnight, that's all ;) | 16:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: You should move Australia to a more reasonable time zone :P | 16:30 |
| patspam | I'm working on it.. | 16:30 |
| patspam | something about "the cows won't like it" | 16:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | No, I was speaking more tectonically. | 16:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | :P | 16:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: You brought carrot cake and aren't sharing? | 16:32 |
| * MrHairgrease already sees the headlined | 16:32 | |
| +MrHairgrease | "WebGUI developer causes worldwide Tsunami" | 16:32 |
| BartJol | perlmonkey2: no, patrick was eating a stale one,, not sure where he got it | 16:33 |
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| patspam | Bartjol: out of my fridge =p | 16:35 |
| patspam | how it got in there, i don't know | 16:35 |
| SDuensin | Any of you guys do design work? Any recommendations for something WYSIWYG? | 16:44 |
| BartJol | yeah, last night I flew up and down to Australia to put a stale carrot cake in your fridge, you caught me there | 16:44 |
| * SDuensin is tired of hand-editing CSS. | 16:44 | |
| +MrHairgrease | SDuensin should use firebug | 16:45 |
| BartJol | well, you can extend the tinyMCE with more style control | 16:45 |
| BartJol | but CSS can be more precise | 16:45 |
| SDuensin | I'm talking about a tool for doing the general site theme. | 16:45 |
| BartJol | dunno about that | 16:46 |
| * SDuensin is looking at Freeway at the moment. Looks cool. | 16:46 | |
| @preaction | SDuensin, i've heard good things about quanta+ and bluefish (i think that's what it's called) | 16:47 |
| @preaction | though i'm not sure how they perform really, since i'm a purist | 16:48 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I was a purist, too, until I realized it takes me hours to lay out a site. Did one yesterday in 10 minutes using iWeb. Now I want that power with WebGUI. | 16:50 |
| @preaction | it'd be a wonderful RFE | 16:51 |
| SDuensin | Ya think? :-P | 16:51 |
| @preaction | YUI has a application called Grid Builder, a little throwaway thing they created, but it would be nice for a theme editor | 16:52 |
| SDuensin | You ever use iWeb? I was half tempted to start hacking the output it creates to "WebGUIize" it. | 16:52 |
| SDuensin | It's so easy. :-) | 16:53 |
| @preaction | isn't iweb pluggable? | 17:00 |
| @preaction | and no i haven't used it. wysiwyg has been dead to me since dreamweaver MX | 17:00 |
| @rizen | patspam damn it!!! | 17:00 |
| SDuensin | preaction - Dunno if it is or not. My 5 minutes looking into it didn't find anything. | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | This Freeway looks like iWeb for grown ups. :-) | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | rizen ! | 17:02 |
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| @rizen | patspam, you do realize that the RFE day is *not* for submitting RFE's, it is for clearing out RFE's | 17:02 |
| @rizen | i got 10 new RFE requests since midnight | 17:03 |
| * patspam slaps forehead | 17:03 | |
| @rizen | 6 of which are from you | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | may rizen should put in an rfe for a rfe day rfe blocker | 17:03 |
| SDuensin | Does he have enough karma to matter? | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess jt creates karma if he needs it | 17:04 |
| patspam | won't that lead to inflation? | 17:04 |
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| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | creating karma out of thin air doesn't get me anything since i'm not included in the karma economy | 17:05 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | other than karma just costing me real $$$ | 17:05 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | karma is a great thing for the community, but a bad thing for JT's wallet | 17:05 |
| SDuensin | Poor JT. | 17:06 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | woe is me | 17:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll ask Cone to send you fruit basket | 17:07 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Are people marking RFE's they're working on? | 17:12 |
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| @preaction | they better be | 17:14 |
| @preaction | i know colin reserved a few | 17:14 |
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| BartJol | well in this way, RFE day will be memorable as the day the great WebGUI dictator arose... (thinking of JT as Charly Chaplin...) | 17:21 |
| @preaction | the UN UN-JTed the world | 17:25 |
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| @tavisto | bopbop, I looked at the "Meta Data Possible Values RFE" and that appears to be solved by the new keyword functionality in meta data. | 17:28 |
| @bopbop | it does- go ahead and note that in the reply and close it | 17:28 |
| @tavisto | They are saying like if someone comes to the site and has assets that use a keyword like "install" | 17:28 |
| @tavisto | they would come up in WebGUI search | 17:28 |
| @bopbop | yep | 17:28 |
| @tavisto | alrighty | 17:29 |
| @bopbop | but, the assets need to be edited | 17:29 |
| @bopbop | to apply that keyword | 17:29 |
| @tavisto | exactly | 17:29 |
| @bopbop | ok | 17:29 |
| @bopbop | close it | 17:29 |
| @tavisto | in fact we need to do that on several of the webgui.org content as well :) | 17:29 |
| @bopbop | yep | 17:29 |
| @tavisto | that was a recommendation at the town hall | 17:29 |
| @bopbop | maybe today | 17:29 |
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| @tavisto | aye! | 17:29 |
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| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | rfe-- | 18:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That was fast Slasher | 18:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlbot rfe | 18:18 |
| perlbot | Chris62vw needs to add convenient factoid addition features to you | 18:18 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | rfe-- | 18:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: line 251 in 7.5 or 7.6. 7.6 would through an exceptoin | 18:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So would 7.5 | 18:32 |
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| ckotil | ah nice | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | RFE day! | 18:34 |
| ckotil | awsome! | 18:34 |
| @tavisto | w00p w00p | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you have to do at 3 RFEs today | 18:35 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, that's fine.. You don't get to do RFEs though... you get to fix SHOP bugs!!! muwhahaha | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | there _are_ no Shop bugs, oh Market-enhanced one | 18:35 |
| @tavisto | j/k, I'm not even sure there are any. :) | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | tavisto: how could there be any? You do know who made the new shop do you? | 18:37 |
| @tavisto | yeah.. it was that crazy martin guy... | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | and those crazy colin and jt guys | 18:39 |
| @tavisto | I've heard some rumors about him... legend has it he does not have blood flowing through his veins but rather.... german lager | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't buy the rumours | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | there not true per se | 18:39 |
| BartJol | it's not *german* lager | 18:40 |
| BartJol | but have a nice RFE day everybody, unfortunately, I'll miss the rest | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | RfeSlasherMcGurk, I have this RFE ready for commit. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/cancel-button#FxJ9teR8WSp9Cg8dHIYelQ You cool with it? | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | adding a cancel button to the edit profile field form | 18:52 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | egg salad, please feel free to commit | 18:54 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i'll close | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm planning on 3 RFEs today, as time permits | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Can't let you guys have _all_ the fun | 18:55 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | only 3? | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Although so far, I'd say Haarg has had the most fun, turbo charging the Macro processor | 18:55 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i've already done 3 | 18:55 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | totally going to beat you | 18:55 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | =) | 18:55 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | yes he has...damn it | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | That's okay | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | It only makes the macro-ification of template i18n all the better | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | meeting, be back in an hour... | 18:59 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | rfe -- | 19:04 |
| nuba | so i would like to engage in a hardcore discussion of the philosophy behind the current desig of the webgui API and current class hierarchy decisions | 19:08 |
| nuba | just kidding, happy RFE day, cant join but enjoying it anyway!! rock on guys! | 19:09 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | perlMonkey2: no more adding RFE's to 7.5 | 19:11 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | not even a back button | 19:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | whups | 19:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That was stupid wasn't it. | 19:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | RfeSlasherMcGurk: want me to roll back those changes? | 19:11 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | this one is fine...just not again | 19:12 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | perlmonkey2: after you add an RFE close it | 19:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | RfeSlasherMcGurk: I don't have permissions to close. | 19:14 |
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| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | ok perlmonkey2 perlDreamer dionak and topsub can all close rfe's and bugs now | 19:21 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | anybody else ? | 19:21 |
| @apeiron_ | RfeSlasherMcGurk, /me | 19:28 |
| topsub | is there a way i can shove the DBH ( from site 1 ) into the session getting called ( from site 2 ) so when i use the webgui API it looks at the database link ( from site 1 ) instead of the current site? | 19:28 |
| @apeiron_ | Oh, wait, I can, never mind. | 19:28 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | apeiron, all pb staff can now close | 19:28 |
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| topsub | I am using the Database handle to get data from another site but when i call the webgui API it uses the session which is looking at the current site instead of the DBH. | 19:29 |
| @bopbop | tavisto: I'm going to start going through wg.org to assign metadata keywords | 19:30 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | topsub why would you want to do such a frankensteinish manuever | 19:31 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | do you just wish to open a database handle to site2 from site1? if so, you don't need to shove it into the session | 19:31 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | you can either directly open it using a WebGUI::SQL object, or you can create a database link and use that using the WebGUI::DatabaseLink API | 19:32 |
| topsub | well i have assetID's from site 1 and i need to get more information from the database about the assetIDs but when then api is called it using site 2 | 19:32 |
| topsub | its a macro built to pull information out of the database | 19:32 |
| topsub | but now we need to use this macro on another site | 19:32 |
| topsub | and pull the same information but we have to pull the information from site 1 | 19:33 |
| @tavisto | alright bopbop | 19:33 |
| @tavisto | I'll join you very shortly | 19:33 |
| topsub | so it seems i will have to rewrite it to use the DBH on site 2 | 19:34 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | yup | 19:35 |
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| dionak | thanks JT | 19:44 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | it's RfeSlasherMcGurk to you | 19:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | To me JT's still cuddly teddy bear | 19:46 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Okay, stupid question, but where is the link to close an RFE? | 19:53 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, In the box at the top. | 19:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Okay, then I don't have permissions to close RFE's, the cache isn't showing me the correct page, or I'm an idiot. | 19:54 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, It's the sixth row in that top box. | 19:54 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, Sure you're logged in? | 19:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Heh, yep | 19:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Difficulty is my 6th row | 19:54 |
| @apeiron | Okay, that's what I see when I'm not logged in. | 19:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah, I just flipped admin on and off to make sure. | 19:55 |
| dionak | is it possible to redirect a user to a certain page upon account activation? i want to prompt them to purchase an optional subscription | 19:55 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | perlmonkey2 you are in both groups that have the privileges to see that | 19:56 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | so if you're not seeing something, then it's a bug that i hereby assign you to resolve. =) | 19:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, I bet it is just cached | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, there's a redirectUrl defined in the system somewhere | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | you can find it in auth | 19:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | dionak: $session->scratch->set('redirectAfterLogin, 'url'); | 19:59 |
| dionak | looking to see if that can be part of the form or if i have to write custom. trying to avoid custom code. | 20:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: and that would just be in the macro for the registration page? | 20:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | in <a> macro, I mean | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno what the macro for the registration page is | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | no idea | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's trivial to create one | 20:01 |
| dionak | there's also a runOnRegistration option that looks interesting | 20:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | because you don't want them being prompted after every login, just the first registration. So in the registration page, include a tiny macro that simply sets the scratch like you say. | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | pm2: after login the scratch var will be cleared automatically | 20:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That certainly sounds pertinent | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | dionak: that's a workflow trigger | 20:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | you cannot redirect users with that | 20:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway gotta go | 20:03 |
| dionak | ok, that makes sense...looking at auth.pm. i see that | 20:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hasta MrHairgrease | 20:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | have fun clearing up the rfes | 20:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | more fun that storming castles | 20:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s/that/than | 20:04 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone else want to close this RFE for me? | 20:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-back-to-site-option-after-commiting-a-version-tag?op=switchOffAdmin | 20:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Can I alter Form/* so that a flag can be passed toHTML to make them be red and bolded? | 20:07 |
| @Haarg | can't you just add a class using extras? | 20:08 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, It's closed, though someone else got to it before I did. | 20:08 |
| @preaction | or a flag in WebGUI::Form::Control's definition? | 20:08 |
| Bernd_ | Help! Is it possible the community wiki is being locked at the moment? | 20:09 |
| Bernd_ | I am unable to create a new page- | 20:09 |
| Bernd_ | I receive the following error message: | 20:09 |
| Bernd_ | Permission Denied! This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different from the one that you are using. | 20:09 |
| @preaction | Bernd_, try it now | 20:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I thought it should be part of the RFE so that when a form item is reshown do to not being filled out correctly, it could stand out. | 20:09 |
| Bernd_ | preaction: Working again! Thanks. | 20:10 |
| @Haarg | 'highlighted in red' just seems like an odd thing to have in the forms api | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | use a subtext indicator, like a red asterisk following the form field | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or an exclamation point | 20:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, was just going to say a red star | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or a picture of Captian Barky, ohhh, he's such a salty dog | 20:11 |
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| @tavisto | the other thing I've seen is the the form field is highlighted in a different color. The asterisk would work though as well | 20:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The problem is that Auth createAccountSave doesn't appear to have a good way to pass in failed fields to createAccount. So what, pass in a new param with an array of fields to mark up? | 20:13 |
| @tavisto | not red, but usually it's a blue, yellow, etc.. to make it stand out. | 20:13 |
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| wgGuest21 | hello | 20:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hello wgGuest21 | 20:15 |
| wgGuest21 | I have a problem in upgrading webgui :( | 20:15 |
| wgGuest21 | I'm at version 7.4.14 and tried to upgrade to 7.4.40 | 20:16 |
| wgGuest21 | but the update script thinks I'm at 7.4.3 | 20:16 |
| wgGuest21 | so it fails | 20:16 |
| wgGuest21 | WRE 0.8.5 | 20:16 |
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| wgGuest21 | can anybody help me? :( | 20:19 |
| @preaction | wgGuest21, does the webguiVersion table in mysql say 7.4.3? | 20:21 |
| wgGuest21 | If I go to the admin panel then Statistics it says I'm on 7.4.14 | 20:22 |
| @preaction | what does the webguiVersion table in mysql say? | 20:22 |
| wgGuest21 | and also the changelog reflects that | 20:22 |
| wgGuest21 | mmh how can I check that? | 20:23 |
| @preaction | open mysql and look at the webguiVersion table in your site's database? | 20:23 |
| wgGuest21 | I don't know how to do that with the terminal :/ | 20:24 |
| wgGuest21 | I got no GUI at the moment | 20:24 |
| wgGuest21 | Is there a command I can use? | 20:24 |
| @khenn | mysql -u<user> -p<password> <database> | 20:24 |
| @preaction | man mysql | 20:24 |
| wgGuest21 | ok I'm in | 20:25 |
| wgGuest21 | what do I enter after that khenn :) | 20:26 |
| @khenn | select * from webguiVersion; | 20:26 |
| wgGuest21 | thanks! | 20:27 |
| wgGuest21 | wow it really says that last upgrade is 7.4.3 how can this be :(( | 20:27 |
| @preaction | wgGuest21, because you updated your codebase to 7.4.14 but never ran upgrade.pl | 20:27 |
| wgGuest21 | mmh I must have done that, because when I run it now the script fails at some point when it's adding the Events table (for the Calendar I guess). It fails because it's already there | 20:28 |
| @preaction | then it must have failed there before, or failed before there before. | 20:29 |
| wgGuest21 | what can I do now? | 20:30 |
| @preaction | restore from a backup before the failed upgrade? | 20:31 |
| @preaction | try to reconcile the failed upgrade by running the individual subs one at a time? | 20:31 |
| wgGuest21 | no I can't really do that, that point is from a year ago | 20:31 |
| wgGuest21 | how can I do that? I copy over the 7.4.40 as written in the wiki but instead of running the upgrade script I manually run each sub script? | 20:33 |
| wgGuest21 | for example 7.4.3-7.4.4 | 20:33 |
| @preaction | no, you manually run each subroutine in the 7.4.3-7.4.4 upgrade. those are the only subs that need to be done like this | 20:34 |
| @preaction | because some got run, some didn't. | 20:34 |
| @preaction | the ones that got run can't get run again, so you need to edit the upgrade script to prevent that | 20:34 |
| wgGuest21 | and how do I know which parts to edit? | 20:35 |
| @preaction | you're a Perl programmer (or at least can read Perl) and can tell which subs have already run by what the subs do and checking to see that it happened | 20:35 |
| wgGuest21 | I'm no perl programmer :( | 20:36 |
| @khenn | you didn't back up your database before you tried to upgrade? | 20:37 |
| wgGuest21 | yes I did | 20:37 |
| @khenn | so restore the database from the backup | 20:37 |
| @khenn | and run upgrade.pl again | 20:38 |
| wgGuest21 | In fact I reverted several times | 20:38 |
| wgGuest21 | I can't because the point when I upgraded to 7.4.14 is from a year ago | 20:38 |
| wgGuest21 | so I would lose tons of data | 20:38 |
| wgGuest21 | I didn't know that the upgrades went bad | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest21, regardless of who does it, it needs to be done. | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Otherwise you're done upgrading, like forever. | 20:38 |
| wgGuest21 | but I know at which point the upgrade script failed: at 7.4.7-7.4.8 when "Adding timeZone to Events" | 20:39 |
| @preaction | wgGuest21, then the largest number in your webguiVersions table would be "7.4.8", each version gets added to that table as you upgrade | 20:40 |
| wgGuest21 | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/releases/WebGUI_7.4.40-stable/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.7-7.4.8.pl | 20:40 |
| @khenn | so you'll need to run the upgrades up to 7.4.14 manually | 20:40 |
| @preaction | regardless, you're going to need a professional | 20:41 |
| wgGuest21 | no preaction because it failed. If I upgraded till 7.4.7 I guess it would have stored that | 20:41 |
| @preaction | again. it runs each upgrade, and the individual upgrade updates the webguiVersion table | 20:41 |
| @preaction | so the 7.4.3-7.4.4 upgrade puts 7.4.4 in the webguiVersions table | 20:42 |
| @preaction | same with the 7.4.4-7.4.5 | 20:42 |
| wgGuest21 | mmh so why it's not there | 20:42 |
| @preaction | because that's where it failed | 20:42 |
| wgGuest21 | no it failed at 7.4.7-7.4.8 script. I saw the output | 20:42 |
| @preaction | or you restored from backup to there and didn't downgrade your codebase | 20:42 |
| @preaction | a year ago? you remember from a year ago that's where it failed? | 20:42 |
| wgGuest21 | no I run the upgrade script today | 20:43 |
| @preaction | that's different. it's already broken | 20:43 |
| wgGuest21 | the site was left a year untouched at 7.4.14 | 20:43 |
| @preaction | 7.4.3-7.4.4 is where it broke. it's trying to move past there, but it's failing because you're missing stuff | 20:43 |
| @preaction | you need to talk to a professional | 20:43 |
| wgGuest21 | but the upgrade mess should have been done more than a year ago | 20:43 |
| @preaction | might i offer the services of Plain Black Corp? | 20:43 |
| wgGuest21 | but the output says OK! when updating to 7.4.4 | 20:44 |
| @khenn | pd: do you still want to do this: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/better-info-for-assets-that-require-commit-before-adding-children#DAJ-gygemXSoELKdWGbVUg | 20:44 |
| wgGuest21 | it fails at 7.4.8 that's what the script says | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I still want it done. If you want to do it khenn, please have fun! | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm buried with $dayJob today | 20:45 |
| @khenn | k | 20:45 |
| wgGuest21 | maybe I can follow khenn suggestion and try to execut each script manually? I think that way I would successfully go to 7.4.7 | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I dropped notes on the RFEs that I'm currently working on | 20:45 |
| wgGuest21 | then at 7.4.8 I need to remove the timezone Events subroutine | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest21, whatever you do from this point, you'd better have good backups | 20:46 |
| @khenn | yeah run them each separately from 7.4.8 | 20:46 |
| @khenn | and back up each time | 20:46 |
| wgGuest21 | I have good backups, point is that I cannot revert to the "predisaster" or I would lose data | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but if you make a new mistake, you'll have a new disaster | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | if it was me, I'd hire someone else to do it | 20:47 |
| wgGuest21 | that's true | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | especially if you're not a perl programmer | 20:47 |
| wgGuest21 | and how much do you think it would cost | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. I'd say at least a few hours of hand work. | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Not working for Plain Black, I can't tell you what that would cost. | 20:47 |
| wgGuest21 | really a few hours? :( | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah. And that's by an expert. | 20:48 |
| wgGuest21 | woha | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | First, they'll analyze the db and figure out what ran and what didn't | 20:48 |
| wgGuest21 | why damnit the statiscs page doesn't grab the version info from that db table | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | then they'll snapshot the site and try a manual, sub by sub upgrade off on the side | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | then if that works, they'll upgrade the main site | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | then, off on the side again, they'll probably try the rest of the upgrades | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and if that works, duplicate that on your main site | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the safest way to get it done (imo) | 20:49 |
| wgGuest21 | ok | 20:49 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym for physical abuse, since coding isn't abusive enough today | 20:49 | |
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| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | rfe-- | 20:59 |
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| @tavisto | last night I updated the hosters wiki page and got the list of companies that host WebGUI up to 12 (including PB). And I'm sure I can find some more on google | 21:38 |
| @tavisto | Couple of them I've never heard of before so that was neat. One, SiteGround offers it on their dedicated server boxes only | 21:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone who wants the top RFE can have it. Looks like I'm going to be tied up on support for a bit. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/registration-form-to-keep-user-entries-on-error#tif3VXTNhn844ZaDdJsqeA | 21:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Should be an easy one, if a bit tricky to add the red|blue|yellow|pink|ornge| flashing|non-flashing stars|text|rainbows|whatevers next to|on top of the text. | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | has anyone kept track of the number of rfes implemented today? | 22:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: The power of the stroopwaffle has been scientifically proven: http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080916/sc_livescience/snacksoverpowerourbestintentions;_ylt=AlIM_ZTPNZ.BhS4ftWaVBh_737YB | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | You can tell RfeSlasherMcGurk about it, too | 22:18 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i know it | 22:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i knew it i mean | 22:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | stroopwaffle is now the most powerful food in the universe | 22:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | god i love those things | 22:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i should move to holland just so i can have them all the time =) | 22:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | that an pannenkoken | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | We should rename karma to pannenkoeken | 22:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | ooooooh | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | RfeSlasherMcGurk: I'm looking at this rfe | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/move-hardcoded-words-to-i18n#BWil5C7qQ_T_g75-yF7wMQ | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see any "easy" way to make Untitled by i18n'ed | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Not without detecting it at save time and writing the i18n'ed data into the db instead of Untitled | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Any suggestions? (including saying "No!") ? | 22:24 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | actually it's very easy | 22:24 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | here's how | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Lead me, thuktun | 22:24 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | edit the getTitle() method | 22:24 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | in Asset.pm | 22:25 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | and if the title is "Untitled" | 22:25 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | then display the local version | 22:25 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | oh wait | 22:25 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | nevermind..he wants this out in the templates and stuff | 22:25 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | right? | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:25 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | yeah, that's impossible to do without fucking up the getTitle method | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Then I'll do the first half of it (i18n copy) and deny the last half of it | 22:26 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | that is....unless...i just thought of a way to do it | 22:26 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | edit the processTemplate() method | 22:26 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | it copies title into the properties there | 22:26 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | call the getTitle method at that point | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that does 73% of the job. Navigations and anything with children would have to be handled manually as well | 22:27 |
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| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | then update navigation to do that as well | 22:28 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | actually...while you're in navigation there's another RFE you can close | 22:29 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | each asset that gets included into the navigation should expose all of it's properties | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | _all_? | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Holy memory consumption Batman! | 22:30 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | navigation is already holy memory consumption batman | 22:31 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | and here's the thing | 22:31 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | once per week it seems i get an RFE asking to expose yet another variable to navigation | 22:31 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | if all variables are exposed, then we don't ever have to do it again | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | will do, RSMG | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | right after I upload my latest utility to save the world | 22:32 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | and it's only huge memory consumption if you've designed a horrible nav that exposes 10,000 assets | 22:32 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | it should only expose between 5 and 20 assets per nav | 22:33 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | RSMG? | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | RfeSlasherMcGurk | 22:33 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | ooh | 22:33 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | sorry i didn't catch on to that | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I updated the templateFiler script to create packages for me, too | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | It's way faster to edit templates on the command line | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | so now, when you upload templates via the templateFiler, you tell it to make it a package and automatically export it | 22:35 |
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| Lisette | there is a tutorial about the payment methods in the shop? | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | No. | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, maybe in the new Shop book. | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop: Does the new commerce book cover payment methods? | 22:42 |
| @bopbop | yes | 22:42 |
| @bopbop | the ones included with WebGUI are covered, as well as some info for programming | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | there you go, lisette. Just get a copy of the new commerce book from PlainBlack | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | here's the URL for the book: https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2/webgui-shop-guide | 22:43 |
| Lisette | i want to buy but arrive in 3 weeks, you know if there in pdf? | 22:44 |
| Lisette | i need urgent | 22:44 |
| Lisette | or a little tutorial | 22:45 |
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| @bopbop | what exactly do you need to know Lisette? | 22:49 |
| Lisette | i need redirect the checkout of cart to another site | 22:49 |
| Lisette | and i get the products, total, subtotal, and another items of the cart for the payment method | 22:51 |
| Lisette | i need control this method with the banks of my country | 22:51 |
| @bopbop | I couldn't help you with that. You could try asking in here again tomorrow. People are working on RFEs today, but might have more time tomorrow to help you out. | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | RfeSlasherMcGurk: what's the URL for the Navigation template stuff? | 22:59 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | the rfe? | 23:00 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i don't actually know | 23:00 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i've just seen it | 23:00 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | the RFE was actually "add some property to the navigation blah blah blah" | 23:00 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | to which i said "screw that, we'll just add them all cuz i'm sick of you" | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | In that case, I'll close them all! | 23:01 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | sweet! | 23:01 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | see you will beat me after all | 23:02 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | =) | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | there's two | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't find the one for doing them all, but I'll keep searching. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Thank you for making my RFE, khenn! | 23:16 |
| @khenn | no problem. I'm going to let you do your spectre one =p | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Can someone close this RFE for me please: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/move-hardcoded-words-to-i18n | 23:19 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | you have the rights to do it now | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | What form control am I looking for? | 23:19 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | it's a link | 23:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | that says "close" | 23:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | in the head block of the rfe | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | No links | 23:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | wtf | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Should I log out/log back in? | 23:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | don't think so | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe if you rebooted PB.com for me ;) | 23:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i'm going to have to look at that template | 23:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | yeah right | 23:20 |
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| @khenn | I closed it colin | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | muchas, khenn | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | It's ckotil's RFE | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Shame on you, ckotil, for naming your RFEs in a misleading fashion. | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Please close this one, too: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/navigation-asset_-add-page_groupidview-variable | 23:29 |
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| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | oh perldreamer | 23:53 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i have a question for you | 23:53 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | get it wrong, and you die | 23:53 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | get it right, and i'll just beat you about the head and neck mercilesly with your own arms | 23:54 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | fine, be away just when i want to lynch you | 23:55 |
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| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | rfe-- | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm ready | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | my estate has been notified | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | RfeSlasherMcGurk: ....? | 00:12 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | it's not as bad as i made it sound | 00:13 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | here's the problem | 00:13 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | if you have an i18n key that has a - in it | 00:13 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | - = dash | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:13 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | then it i18n thinks the key doesn't exist | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:14 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | and i wanted to know if you did that on purpose | 00:14 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | or if that's a bug | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | we determined that allowing certain characters in i18n keys was a security hole, so originally we allowed only alphanumerics and spaces | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | the list expads as we need new stuff | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's a bug | 00:15 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | ok | 00:16 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | man that one took me an hour to figure out | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | You should have called me | 00:16 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | valuable rfe time | 00:16 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i didn't know that was the problem until i was into it for about 50 minutes | 00:16 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i thought i had a syntax problem somewhere | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I have one back at you, minus the promises of violence. Can you log in to your dev site? And are you fully up to date? | 00:17 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | yes | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that's 1/2 good news | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't log in anymore | 00:18 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | log in to what? | 00:19 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | svn? | 00:19 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | or your web site? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | my dev site | 00:19 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | let me reset once again just to be sure | 00:19 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | but i'm in and working on it right now | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll keep tinkering | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the old P3 finally gave up the ghost | 00:20 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | that time i just got a fatal error | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | You may get a chance to beat me about the head and neck yet, RSMG | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm running the syntax check test | 00:24 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | haarg thinks it's something preaction did | 00:28 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i am getting the problem now | 00:28 |
| @preaction | always | 00:28 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | i didn't restart modperl before | 00:28 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | which is why i wasn't seeing the problem | 00:28 |
| @preaction | can't login? | 00:28 |
| @preaction | did you resetdev? | 00:28 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | did reset dev | 00:29 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | did restart modperl | 00:29 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | now logging in causes an infinite loop | 00:29 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | seems to have started after the addition of the userLoginLog stuff | 00:30 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | not sure why | 00:30 |
| @preaction | it works on my dev site. is there an error in the logs? something about missing columns? | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: Are you fully up to date? | 00:38 |
| @preaction | not yet no, gotta do something quick though | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing in webgui.log | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | i think it's a nav problem | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, why would it matter if you're logged in or not? | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't as far as i can tell | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | i couldn't log in because the page was locked up | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | i think it was just from seeing an unrelated thing in the log that we suspected that | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | It is the nav | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | My browser was caching the home page as visitor, so I thought it was working | 00:52 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | did you find the problem? | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | This is bad: while (my ($property, $propertyValue) = each %{ $current->get() }) { | 00:52 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | it is? | 00:53 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | what should it be? | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I don't understand why it's bad yet | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so I don't know | 00:53 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | ok | 00:53 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | well i'm getting rid of 2 of those anyway | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe a my %hash = %{ $current->get() ); | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and then iterate | 00:53 |
| @apeiron | Probably calling $current->get for each iteration of the loop. | 00:53 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | we only wanted full properties for the current nav page | 00:53 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | not the current page and the parent | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 00:54 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | so i'll check that in quick | 00:54 |
| @RfeSlasherMcGurk | oh good call apeiron | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that was Haarg | 00:55 |
| @Haarg | apeiron is right though, you can't do the iteration like that | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't see his comment | 00:55 |
| @Haarg | because it will call it each time | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I haven't seen any apeiron comments at all today | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | His nick isn't blocked | 00:56 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Hello,world! | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd hate to think that something _else_ was wrong | 00:57 |
| @apeiron | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m60f45f4e demonstrates the issue. | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Yay, more fodder for next year's talk. | 01:00 |
| @apeiron | I promise not to ring in on that one. :) | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | You can ring in all you want | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll bring in lots o' chocolate | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | (and maybe more beers) | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | i committed a fix | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll quit inciting chaos and despair and go back to writing tests | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | This RFE can be closed, it was implemented a long time ago: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/databaselink-extended-dbh-attributes#EjjYhdNi85fjCyiAbIwQuA | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | The field is called additionalParameters | 01:18 |
| @bopbop | closed | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction's RFE can be closed, too: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-the-pages-range-to-the-available-variables-in-the-webgui-paginator#DOiDx6HXlLOvcPRQj3wuLA | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | he committed his code | 01:19 |
| @bopbop | closed | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Please close this one: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/vim-perl-mode-for-skeletons | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | closed | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I _think_ this RFE can be closed: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/dynamic-upload-of-users#ugeHI11WMYI69wkVo36Xgw | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | This RFE can be closed: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/dataform-integer-fields | 01:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | This RFE can be closed: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/protected-profile-fields-don39t-show-delete-icon | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I just implemented it | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, can you close a few RFEs for me, please? | 02:14 |
| @Haarg | sure | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/dataform-integer-fields | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I verified that by default, DataForms do that now. | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/protected-profile-fields-don39t-show-delete-icon | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and I did this RFE. | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I may have one more RFE in me today | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll see | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | (especially if I don't nuke the core while doing it) | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | closed | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop: Does the Shop do this: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/ecommerce-feature#0dST_IioB2YPcb1s2rJyPg ? | 02:27 |
| @bopbop | not in a default install | 02:28 |
| @bopbop | it should be in 7.7 | 02:29 |
| @bopbop | according to those "in the know" | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Offhand, after going through the list in 20 minutes, I'd say we could close up to 10% more RFEs that have either been done, or are irrelevant in the new system. | 02:37 |
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| patspam | preaction: I was actually planning on deleting that LoggedInTime RFE! | 03:14 |
| patspam | because User Profiling kinda does it already | 03:18 |
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| SDuensin | Evening. | 03:37 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Hello World | 04:03 |
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| @Lando1 | aarg haarg | 04:11 |
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| @Lando1 | I think he's avoiding me. | 04:14 |
| @Lando1 | anyone bored and want to talk about a bug? | 04:19 |
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| @Lando1 | rizen: when the the assetManager creates the edit links for assets, shouldn't it pass along proceed=manageAssets ? | 04:22 |
| @Lando1 | so that they are sent back to the assetManager after editing? | 04:22 |
| @preaction | yes | 04:23 |
| @preaction | it should | 04:23 |
| @preaction | let me check and try to fix | 04:23 |
| @Lando1 | preaction: Dude, whatever you get paid it is sooo not enough. | 04:24 |
| @preaction | that no proceed= has ticked me off to no end | 04:24 |
| @preaction | Lando1, want a patch to fix yours? | 04:27 |
| @Lando1 | absolutely | 04:27 |
| @preaction | let me load a pastebin and put it there | 04:27 |
| @preaction | or you could go to https://svn.webgui.org | 04:28 |
| @preaction | click "Browse SVN" | 04:28 |
| @preaction | and choose revision 7603 | 04:28 |
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| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4534790a <- here it is Lando1 | 04:28 |
| @Lando1 | sweet, thanks | 04:28 |
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| @Lando1 | preaction: just want to reiterate what a bloody genius you are. | 04:34 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7587 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): | 07:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Better info for Assets that require commit before adding children. Add link is | 07:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: always availiable now, an error message is displayed if you try to post a child | 07:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: to an uncommitted parent. Additionally a new method was added to | 07:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: AssetVersionion.pm to determine whether or not an asset has been committed. | 07:46 |
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| wgGuest41 | hello | 12:19 |
| wgGuest41 | when I do /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.3-7.4.4.pl --configFile=website.conf | 12:20 |
| wgGuest41 | it says Cannot read config file: ../../etc/website.conf at WebGUI/Session.pm line 394 | 12:21 |
| Radix__ | hi | 12:34 |
| Radix__ | You shouldn't be running the individual upgrade scripts directly | 12:35 |
| wgGuest41 | oh I just solved that by modifing the upgrade.pl | 12:35 |
| Radix__ | you should use the upgrade.pl | 12:35 |
| wgGuest41 | I have a broken installation where upgrade.pl fails so I have to | 12:35 |
| Radix__ | Oh.. wierd.. why did it break? | 12:35 |
| wgGuest41 | do you know which table in mysql stores the webgui version? | 12:35 |
| wgGuest41 | Because the version reported on the admin panel is 7.4.14 but the one stored in the db is 7.4.3 | 12:36 |
| Radix__ | if the upgrade failed then I'd roll back to previous backup and try again | 12:36 |
| wgGuest41 | and it failed one year ago so I can't revert from backup | 12:36 |
| Radix__ | ahh.. I see | 12:36 |
| wgGuest41 | now I want to upgrade to 7.4.40 so I have to go manually right trough 7.4.14 | 12:37 |
| wgGuest41 | and then I hope the upgrade script will work | 12:37 |
| Radix__ | Well wish I could help - but all I can say is.. good luck! :) | 12:37 |
| wgGuest41 | I just run the 7.4.3-7.4.4 script and it run without output.. Now I wanted to check if the db says that I'm at 7.4.4 | 12:37 |
| wgGuest41 | you know which table it is? | 12:38 |
| Radix__ | I don't, sorry | 12:38 |
| wgGuest41 | ok | 12:38 |
| wgGuest41 | oh found out in the history :) I'ts webguiVersion | 12:39 |
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| slickwar2 | woo! did the managed host servers get updated to the new version? | 16:01 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:28 |
| BartJol | morning | 16:29 |
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| elnino | good morning!!! What is the default connection time period for a sql report to an outside database? I didn't set anything in my connection string (don't know if I can?) | 17:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | elnino: are your reports timing out? | 17:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | because if you don't have 'mysql_connect_timeout' in your dsn, then I'm pretty sure the timeout will be on the server's end. | 17:46 |
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| elnino | no. we are running out of sockets and it appears that webgui is keeping the connection open a little too long. | 17:46 |
| elnino | this is what I'm told, I have no idea what I"m talking about. other than we are running out of sockets. =) | 17:47 |
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| @rizen | r u using the WRE? | 17:47 |
| elnino | not this particular install | 17:48 |
| @rizen | then the problem is likely that mysql is not configured properly for webgui | 17:48 |
| elnino | fair enough. =) I just went with defaults. | 17:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if it was set to reuse sockets, then they might not get closed quickly after the mysql connection ends. | 17:48 |
| @rizen | see here: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf | 17:49 |
| elnino | I've been given a new server (fedora instead of suse) that I'm supposed to use now, and I"ll be using wre on that. | 17:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or if it is set to not reuse sockets it may be opening way too many when a few woudl suffice. | 17:49 |
| @rizen | max_connections=1000 | 17:49 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | fedora as a server? this isn't production is it? | 17:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | a fedora release is only supported for what, one year? | 17:50 |
| elnino | fedora will be production. Is there a concern? It was my network guys's call. I'm liking debian now. but he wanted to "standardize" and he choose that. | 17:51 |
| elnino | he likes the auto upgrade feature or other on fedora | 17:51 |
| elnino | he's already converted 4 or 5 servers, so I don't think he'll change at this point. | 17:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | elnino: if you use the WRE or only RPM's for Perl, then it might be safe. But if you are building your required perl modules from CPAN, there is potential for serious problems during upgrades | 17:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | As soon as you go non-vanilla the Fedora upgrades become questionable. | 17:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and Fedora doesn't have all the RPM's you need to install the required perl modules. | 17:53 |
| elnino | I currently use cpan on the suse machine, but on the fedora I"ll be using wres. | 17:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | then you should be safe. | 17:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and with fedora you get new kernels which usually means a significant speed boost. | 17:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | over say RH or something. | 17:54 |
| elnino | I think that's why he likes it. - auto new kernels. which scares me | 17:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've only had that kill an install once :P | 17:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and if I would have just waited a few days to update the machine the bad kernel package would have been removed. | 17:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Since then I don't install updates that haven't been out for at least a week. | 17:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | actually that didn't kill the install, as the old kernel was still available. | 17:56 |
| elnino | oh thanks. =) | 17:56 |
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| elnino | so... what line determines if sockets are reused, is it the fact that there is a limit imposed? | 17:57 |
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| slickwar2 | I can never find this... can someone remind me where the content-manager's settings are for the mce-editor? | 18:02 |
| @preaction | slickwar2, do a search in the asset manager for all assets of type "WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit" | 18:04 |
| @preaction | elnino, KeepAlive i believe | 18:05 |
| @preaction | the default should be good though. too much and the connection sits idle too long. too little and the browser must reconnect often, causing more performance hits | 18:05 |
| slickwar2 | ah, I tried searching "all" for "edit" and found nothing | 18:05 |
| slickwar2 | found it - but you can't search for "all", you have to put something in the search box or it just refuses to search | 18:06 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | elnino: the problem is that your sqlreports are creating too many connections to the mysql server right? So the problem would be way down in the stack at your OS's tcp/ip settings I would guess. | 18:08 |
| elnino | well, that what I'm being told. it's to an external maxdb and mssqlserver | 18:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | elnino: How often is your sqlreport hit? | 18:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I wonder if DBD::Mysql has default settings on this. | 18:10 |
| elnino | .. looking at the stats. | 18:11 |
| @preaction | perhaps up the caching on the sqlreport? | 18:12 |
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| elnino | well. it's not just the sql report - I have about 20 of them - I can up the caching on those. but there is also groups that pull data from this source. | 18:17 |
| elnino | I believe that would be the problem there, I was using sql reports as a simple example. =) | 18:17 |
| elnino | oh and then there are tons of macros. | 18:20 |
| elnino | I forgot oabout those. | 18:20 |
| elnino | When I wrote the macors I used the dsn defined in webgui. | 18:21 |
| * SDuensin is gonna brave upgrading some oooooooooold installs. | 18:21 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone got the new Star Wars game? | 18:31 |
| @preaction | The Force Unleashed is out? | 18:32 |
| SDuensin | Yea, it's out. | 18:33 |
| SDuensin | And, no, I don't have it. | 18:33 |
| ckotil | i have the demo | 18:35 |
| ckotil | its fun | 18:35 |
| @preaction | i could buy the wii version, but i don't think the wii is powerful enough to do it justice... i'll wait for the computer version (if one gets released) | 18:35 |
| ckotil | it looks sweet on 360 | 18:35 |
| ckotil | w/ the wii , they didnt use the wiimote to control the light saber. which is a big let down | 18:36 |
| @preaction | yeah, now there's no way to convince me to get it for the wii :( | 18:36 |
| SDuensin | The Wiimote isn't set up for that. Yet. | 18:37 |
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| ckotil | they did it w/ that ninja game which was a launch title | 18:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: the graphics on the wii are not as demanding, and you get to use the controllers as a lightsaber. | 18:37 |
| SDuensin | Yep. And it sucked. :-) | 18:37 |
| ckotil | perlmonkey2: they did away w/ the wiimote to control the lightsaber | 18:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: gamespot gave it a 7.5 which usually means a 5.5 plus two points of EA money. | 18:38 |
| ckotil | i heard it gets boring quick | 18:38 |
| SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - hehehe | 18:38 |
| ckotil | ill pry wait to get it used | 18:38 |
| ckotil | im playing mercenaries2 now, which is still holding my attention | 18:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, Star Wars are must have's, but I'm not paying full price for something that got a marginal score. | 18:38 |
| slickwar2 | hey jamie if you are in here - I will call you in a bit, I just stepped into a meeting | 18:40 |
| nuba | well.. theres always isohunt .. alt.bin*.. as alternate ways to the source. | 18:42 |
| * SDuensin personally thinks George Lucas and Company went off the rails after the 80s. | 18:43 | |
| nuba | hey, wasnt it lucasarts with a bunch of nice adventure games in the 80s-90s? | 18:44 |
| nuba | the fabulous LucasArts SCUMM engine | 18:44 |
| SDuensin | Yep. And where are they now? Why haven't they done another X-Wing or Tie game? Or anything else anyone liked? | 18:44 |
| SDuensin | Yea. SCUMM rocks. | 18:45 |
| nuba | ever read about how the handled the music transitions? thats clever stuff even some game engines arent doing today. | 18:45 |
| nuba | they handled* | 18:46 |
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| SDuensin | Been awhile since I read up on SCUMM, but yea. Very clever stuff. | 18:46 |
| * SDuensin is a huge IF fan. | 18:46 | |
| nuba | well, SCUMM was the best of breed by its time, state of art, but we can just agree to disagree if you want. | 18:47 |
| nuba | im a IF and adventure game junkie as well | 18:47 |
| SDuensin | Disagree? On what? SCUMM rocks! | 18:47 |
| SDuensin | And speaking of SCUMM... Where the hell is the iPhone version?! I have Frotz! I want more! | 18:48 |
| nuba | also, if your not aware, and want more contemporary IF stuff, theres plenty being produced by indie game developers | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | Yep. I follow it. | 18:48 |
| nuba | cool. | 18:49 |
| nuba | still i think the best I've ever played was "a mind forever voyaging" by infocom | 18:50 |
| nuba | very old, but caused a lasting impression | 18:50 |
| nuba | played it a few months ago | 18:50 |
| nuba | theres Baroque for PS2 thats touted as being into the Interactive Fiction genre | 18:51 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I have Indigo Prophecy here yet to be played. | 18:52 |
| nuba | Ive heard about it too, will try to find it too | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | It's on Steam. I have an old Xbox copy. | 18:54 |
| nuba | would you know of any other PS2 games who may somewhat fall in that genre? | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | Supposed to be really good. | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | Was Syberia ever on PS2? | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | Yea, it was. | 18:55 |
| nuba | you dont mean Cyberia, cyberpunk game, from mid-90s, right? | 18:55 |
| SDuensin | http://www.mobygames.com/game/ps2/syberia | 18:55 |
| nuba | interesting | 18:57 |
| SDuensin | It's a very traditional Sierra/Lucas style game. | 18:57 |
| SDuensin | Looks like the sequel made it to PS2, too. | 18:58 |
| nuba | ive read somewhere that the adventure genre is still alive and well in europe | 18:58 |
| SDuensin | It seems to be, based on all the imports. Unfortunately, a lot of them are crap. :-( | 18:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | For Thingy reporting, you are basically on your own with SQLReports, right? | 18:59 |
| * SDuensin really needs to play with his Thingy and figure it out. | 19:00 | |
| @Haarg | yes pm2 | 19:00 |
| @Haarg | it's certainly not a friendly process at this point | 19:00 |
| SDuensin | nuba - Ever play any of this guy's stuff? http://adamcadre.ac/if.html It's good. | 19:01 |
| SDuensin | nuba - Give "Shrapnel" and "9:05" a run. You can play 'em both in like 30 minutes. Very short. | 19:01 |
| SDuensin | nuba - Shrapnel needs a decent Z-Machine. It somewhat abuses it. :-) | 19:03 |
| SDuensin | Now that I think about it, WebGUI needs a Z-Machine. :-P | 19:05 |
| nuba | yeah i played interstate zero - even downloaded meatloaf's music to serve as soundtrack while playing | 19:06 |
| nuba | as recommended by the author, album was jailbait from hell or something like that | 19:06 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 19:07 |
| nuba | will check these two out and let you know | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Hey nuba, pop on irc.mibbit.com in #VideoGamesShow and message my zBot. You'll like him. | 19:07 |
| nuba | downloading now, will play later tho, lunch time here and work on my plate after im back... | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | zBot has a couple minor bugs, but it works great. :-) | 19:08 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone see a problem with me adding 'dateCreated' and 'lastUpdated' to the field_loop template param for the view of Things? | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 19:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Strange, just calling WebGUI::DateTime->new(); in Thingy causes a silent failure. | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | session object? | 19:24 |
| * perlmonkey2 hits head with session object | 19:24 | |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Am I a good guesser? | 19:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh, indeed | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | With all the RFEing yesterday, only 1 test broke. | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Not bad at all | 19:57 |
| SDuensin | Wow. That's good. | 19:57 |
| slickwar2 | wow guys, wow... I am finally using the new version on the reseller site... amazing | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | slickwar2: Do you mean 7.5? | 19:58 |
| slickwar2 | I don't know, whatever is on the reseller host | 19:58 |
| slickwar2 | it was recently updated though - within a few weeks | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Admin Console -> Statistics will tell you what you're using today. | 19:59 |
| * SDuensin is scared. He's gonna jump from 7.4.11 to 7.5.22. If it ever finishes backing up, that is. | 20:00 | |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: upgrade to 7.4.40 first | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | then up to 7.5.22 | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | should go smoothly | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | Why the stop in the middle? | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | That's just the upgrade path | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Can't go from any point to any point | 20:03 |
| SDuensin | That's odd. Why not just make the upgraded continue on after it does it to 7.4.40? | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing schema changes | 20:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | The code expects certain db fields | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but they aren't there yet, since they're in a higher release | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | higher release upgrade script | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | We've been talking about trying to consolidate db changes into a different script that always gets run first | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's about as far as we've gone down that path | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 20:07 |
| SDuensin | Still over an hour before I can even attempt it. <sigh> Networks are too slow! | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | One other thing to share | 20:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Be very careful to check all log files and output after each upgrade | 20:08 |
| SDuensin | Oh hell yea. I know that. :-) | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we had a guy in here who had a broken install of WebGUI due to a problem during the 7.4.3 upgrade | 20:08 |
| SDuensin | I've screwed this up before. :-D | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and that was a year ago | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | so now he wants to upgrade, and finds that he can't | 20:09 |
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| @Haarg | luckily those problems shouldn't happen anymore | 20:19 |
| @Haarg | since a failed upgrade won't update the webguiVersions table | 20:19 |
| SDuensin | Hey, if it can be broken, I can do it. :-) | 20:19 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 21:28 |
| @preaction | hi hi | 21:29 |
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| SquOnk | Updated 7.5.22 Debian package at the usual place | 21:31 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | How could autoRequestCommit be 0 in the settings table and WG still not be asking for a commit? | 22:10 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, you mean "1"? | 22:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | never mind, it is working as it should | 22:19 |
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| @Lando1 | If someone is getting a JSON can't find method 'autoconv' error when upgrading, it means they've updated to the latest version of JSON and Config::JSON before the upgrade, and the 7.4.40 version requires older version of JSON and Config::JSON? | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | no | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | the json switch happened in 7.4.21 iirc | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | you can upgrade straight from 7.4.0 to 7.4.40 with the new json | 23:07 |
| @Lando1 | hmm, got a support issue with that exception on a 7.4.40->7.5.21 upgrade | 23:08 |
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| metanil | the description method take two parameter $self and $value.. but when it is called from operation::group .. only $value is passing... how does it determine $self itself?? | 00:42 |
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| @Haarg | description method? | 00:46 |
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| @Haarg | i should probably modify the syntax checker to force warnings on | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | caught two problems last night when i was messing with the preloader that were spitting out warnings at compile time | 00:54 |
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| metanil | Haarg: Group->description() | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: $group->description(); | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | perl pushes the object into the arguments to the subroutine automatically | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | with method calls, the object is always the first parameter send to the sub | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | so $group->description is somewhat like WebGUI::Group::description($group) | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, do you know who would be using single quotes in macro calls? | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | i saw several uses in the product macro that were like ^International('key','namespace'); | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | product template | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that might have been me | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | yeah, sorry | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | aren't the two interchangable in a macro call? | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | nope | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | i could add support for single quotes in the new parser | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | but it doesn't and didn't with the old one either | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | it works with the i18n macro due to a quirk | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | i18n calls strip out invalid characters | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | well... | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | How about if I change them, since I put them in incorrectly? | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | in the product template? would probably be a good idea | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I doubt that's the only place I did that | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | the other option is that i could add single quote support | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | with templateFiler.pl it will be easy | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'll change the template International test to check for single quotes to detect which ones need to be fixed | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | cool, sounds good | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | the i18n system should probably be changed to reject those requests instead of silently filtering them, but that could be considered an api break | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | well, there's no real need to filter the key at all | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | don't hash keys interpolate? | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | interpolate how? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | like a double quoted string | 01:36 |
| @Haarg | no | 01:36 |
| @Haarg | hash keys are just scalars | 01:36 |
| @Haarg | only thing that will ever be different on a value going into and out of a hash key is that refs get destroyed | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Macro question. When is the quote needed? | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | to include commas | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | There are 369 uses of the International macro in all templates | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think any of them use commas as i18n keys | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | don't think so | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | since comma isn't a legal key character, right? | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | that means that _all_ quotes can be stripped out | 01:39 |
| @Haarg | both those things are true | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Need some bash help | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | ack -a -- 'International\(["\']' *.tmpl | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I want that to work | 01:40 |
| @preaction | why not perl? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | ack == perl? | 01:40 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know how to escape single quotes in single quotes | 01:40 |
| @preaction | but perl has q() and q{} | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I could build a custom script to do it, but it's much faster on the command line | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | which requires working with quotes | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | ack -a -- "International\([\"']" *.tmpl possibly | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | ack -a -- 'International\(\W' *.tmpl | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | 27 templates | 01:43 |
| @Haarg | ah, i forgot to double escape the first \ | 01:43 |
| @Haarg | escape it rather | 01:43 |
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| miloidrr | Hi perlDreamer | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | hi miloidrr | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: templates unquoted. I'll run the template i18n scanner test and then check them back in | 01:59 |
| @Haarg | cool, thanks | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | by the way, is Macro built so that you can use the parser parts indpendently? | 01:59 |
| @Haarg | which parts? | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | The parser parts | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a hacked up parser in t/i18n/template.t | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but having the real macro parser would be nice | 02:00 |
| @Haarg | just a sec | 02:00 |
| miloidrr | PerlDreamer, I have a question about the article | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Please ask away, miloidrr | 02:00 |
| miloidrr | Can i put the <tmpl_var views> in the article template | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | what is views? | 02:02 |
| miloidrr | <tmpl_var views> is a variable template of the cs | 02:03 |
| miloidrr | To see the views of the post | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | No. Each asset has its own set of variables. Article does not have a views. | 02:03 |
| miloidrr | Can i put this in the article template? | 02:03 |
| @Haarg | one thing that comes to mind perlDreamer | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | is to make your own i18n macro | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | and stick it into the config file in place of the existing i18n | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | with the same name | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | same macro name yeah | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | different package | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I like that idea | 02:05 |
| @Haarg | then you get the parameters directly from the macro parser | 02:05 |
| miloidrr | LEt me try | 02:05 |
| @Haarg | i made a bunch of silly little macros for the tests i added | 02:05 |
| miloidrr | it dont work | 02:06 |
| @preaction | miloidrr, because <tmpl_var views> is not available to Articles | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | miloidrr, if you want to keep track of views to an Article, I would suggest using Content Profiling. | 02:06 |
| @preaction | its only available to Post | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Look up this topic in the wiki | 02:06 |
| miloidrr | Oki Tks | 02:06 |
| xdanger | is there any plans for timed content? (Like the old startDate endDate thing?) | 02:07 |
| xdanger | I talked about it with rizen sometime ago... | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger, that was brought back and works now. | 02:07 |
| xdanger | yey | 02:07 |
| xdanger | in 7.5? | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | start date works well with 7.5 | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | how about end date? | 02:07 |
| xdanger | and endDate? | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | end date takes some setup but still can be done | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | and it's much better than it was in 7.4 | 02:07 |
| xdanger | does it delete it or move it somewhere? like an archive kind of function.. | 02:08 |
| @preaction | xdanger, you can have it trashed or purged | 02:08 |
| xdanger | not archived? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: Templates committed. | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | not currently xdanger | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | that would be very simple to add though | 02:08 |
| xdanger | well, I think that wouldn't be much of an hack if everything else is in place =) | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | for a programmer that is | 02:09 |
| xdanger | nice... No we can make an bid to redo tne Finnish national operas webpages ;) | 02:09 |
| xdanger | every finnish public bid has requirements for timed publishing.. | 02:09 |
| xdanger | almost | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger: Do you work on the Finnish translation of WebGUI? | 02:10 |
| xdanger | little... Our translation was but in the webgui translation | 02:11 |
| xdanger | but haven't been keeping it up to date recently | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Translating is hard work | 02:13 |
| xdanger | yea... I like my "IT" in english... | 02:13 |
| xdanger | It harder for me to understand computer-stuff in finnish =) | 02:14 |
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| @Lando1 | ugh, mowed 2 acres, caulked all the windows and doubled the insulation on the return pipes from the air conditioner. I need a break from life, so I'm back to work :P | 04:41 |
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| patspam | dumb question: what's the recommended way to display content based on whether a user is logged in or not in a template? | 05:48 |
| patspam | short of writing my own macro? | 05:49 |
| patspam | I would have thought there'd be a gloabl user.isLoggedIn template var or something | 05:49 |
| @preaction | use the grouptext macro | 05:58 |
| @preaction | ^GroupText("Registered Users","Logged in","Not Logged In"); | 05:58 |
| patspam | damnit, i just finished writing my macro! | 06:00 |
| patspam | =p | 06:00 |
| @preaction | your macro probably better, especially if you don't pass the content as an argument | 06:02 |
| patspam | how else can i pass it? | 06:03 |
| @preaction | dunno, i thought the macro would generate the content itself | 06:03 |
| @preaction | passing content into macros is difficult if the content has a comma in it | 06:04 |
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| patspam | ah ok, yeah i could hardcode it i guess, but i'd rather have something re-usable | 06:05 |
| patspam | that's great actually, factored out nicely into a combination of ^GroupText() and my ^TextOrLoginBox() which delegates to ^L() if they're not logged in | 06:11 |
| patspam | cheers doug, once again! | 06:13 |
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| elnino | hello! is there a way to set the admin menu to be "closed" by default? right it always opens "new content" | 06:14 |
| @preaction | not that i know of. it might be with some javascript | 06:19 |
| elnino | ok. | 06:19 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7619 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.0/ (27 files): remove quotes from International macros in templates. Single quotes only worked by accident before. Double quotes are only needed when the key contains a comma | 06:23 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7620 /wrebuild/wre/ (docs/changelog.txt lib/WRE/Site.pm): Sitename can no longer contain spaces | 06:23 |
| patspam | preaction: I was actually planning on deleting that LoggedInTime RFE | 06:38 |
| patspam | it was so long ago that I'd forgotten it was still lying around | 06:38 |
| patspam | I think it'd be better to do it via User Profiling since that already collects the information you need | 06:39 |
| @preaction | erm... great | 06:41 |
| @preaction | technically not too late to remove it i guess, but it does work | 06:41 |
| @preaction | plus, how does user profiling do it? i don't think it keeps track of how long a user was logged in | 06:42 |
| patspam | yeah sorry, i felt really bad when i say you'd implemented it | 06:55 |
| patspam | I just seem to remember that it wasn't as great a solution as i originally thought it was.. not sure if i ended up using it | 06:56 |
| patspam | which is why i never committed it | 06:56 |
| patspam | might be still worthwhile.. people would have to turn on User Profiling to be able to use it, which would be overkill if all you wanted was current LoggedInTime | 06:57 |
| patspam | anyway, I'm off for lunch (stomach is growling), will think about it some more! | 06:57 |
| patspam | (and apologies again!) | 06:57 |
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| @tavisto | Hey gang, WebGUI has a nice plug on the www.cmsreport.com home page right now. | 08:46 |
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| patspam | tavisto: great job man, I've added a comment to the site | 10:04 |
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| BartJol | patspam, thanks for your comments! | 11:27 |
| patspam | BartJol: no worries at all :) | 11:28 |
| BartJol | I'' be working on it later today | 11:29 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Okay, I've been searching for 5 minutes and can't find the login request link on PB's site. ANyone know where it's at? | 16:47 |
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| BartJol | login request? | 16:49 |
| BartJol | the one on the top of the page | 16:50 |
| BartJol | ? | 16:50 |
| @rizen | support > login request | 16:50 |
| @rizen | it's on the left nav at the bottom | 16:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I must not have permissions to see it as https://www.plainblack.com/support/ on the let nav only shows 'online support', 'support calendar' and 'FAQ' | 16:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm trying to guess the login url, but not having much luck | 16:53 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:54 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: ? | 16:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hello SDuensin | 16:54 |
| @rizen | hold your horsefeathers together | 16:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | :D | 16:55 |
| @rizen | can you see it now | 16:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: yep, thanks | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | Geasings! | 16:57 |
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| juan | i have an error in one of my sites | 17:53 |
| juan | the error is the next | 17:53 |
| juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m402e6a3 | 17:53 |
| juan | really i don't know what is happening? | 17:54 |
| juan | this problem is blocking my server | 17:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | something is wrong with your db | 17:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | it seems to time ou | 17:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | check whether a) it's running at all | 17:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | b) if the dsn is correct | 17:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | c) restarting mysql | 17:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | if those thing won't help | 17:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 17:56 |
| juan | mysql is running without problems | 17:58 |
| juan | the dsn is correct too | 17:59 |
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| juan | i have restarted mysql | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | if that doesn't help i'm not what's wroing | 17:59 |
| knowma1 | good morning, any mysql pros up and about today? i need help with a WHERE clause | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm really busy right now, so I wont have time to help out | 18:00 |
| knowma1 | oh, MHG, good evening to you sir | 18:00 |
| knowma1 | MrHairgrease: np | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | knowma1: that was directed to juan | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | if your query is simple i'll have a look at it | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:00 |
| knowma1 | i'll catch you back | 18:00 |
| knowma1 | here's the deal.... | 18:00 |
| BartJol | let's hear.. | 18:01 |
| knowma1 | i have an sql-form asset with checkbox options stored into a varchar field | 18:01 |
| knowma1 | if user select 2 options, they are inserted into the field as comma delimited like such -- 'University Park, Southpark' | 18:01 |
| knowma1 | i need to take a form parameter via a SQL Search asset adn do a match to see if the string occurs in the field | 18:02 |
| knowma1 | i'll get something like 'Southpark'. my WHERE statement will need to see if the location field contains the string. i'm thinking regex but haven't used them much in mysql | 18:02 |
| BartJol | isn't that the "like" clause? | 18:03 |
| BartJol | I'm no pro btw | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly you'll want to do something with regex matching | 18:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i think it's something like WHERE foo REGEXP( regex) | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | or | 18:05 |
| knowma1 | BartJol: now that i just wrote that out i'm thinking a like might work as well; thanks for listending; i'll do some tests and report back | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | if mysql has a split command | 18:05 |
| knowma1 | we need a wiki entry about doing this | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could do | 18:05 |
| knowma1 | MrHairgrease: YES!!! | 18:05 |
| knowma1 | i don't know why they can't add that function | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | WHERE foo IN (select split(',', myField) ) | 18:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | knowmad | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | use this: FIND_IN_SET(str,strlist) | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/string-functions.html#function_find-in-set | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | that may not work | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | well you'll have to try | 18:08 |
| knowma1 | oiy, it gets worse. the values being stored in the varchar field are actually id's that relate to another table | 18:09 |
| knowma1 | without a split function i don't think there's anyway to do this using subselects | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it is it won't be pretty | 18:10 |
| knowma1 | wait, i could pass in the area id instead of the area name to my sql search query | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | you prolly need some serverside code to do this | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 18:11 |
| knowma1 | yes! that worked. | 18:11 |
| knowma1 | thanks for the assist guys, i'll document it in the wiki | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | good! | 18:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's real quiet today. Is everyone still recovering from RFE Day #1? | 22:53 |
| @preaction | in a manner of speaking | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | way behind? | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Or, afraid to talk in case Lando1 turns you over to Darth Vader | 22:55 |
| @Lando1 | That's Mr. Calrissian to you. | 22:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | man | 22:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that nick is still free? | 22:57 |
| @Lando1 | preaction: 7624 on the 7.5 branch? | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's a strange world | 22:57 |
| @preaction | Lando1, what about it? | 22:57 |
| @Lando1 | that the one to test/build? | 22:57 |
| @preaction | oh, you're doing the release? | 22:57 |
| @Lando1 | If I can run cloud city, I can do a WG release dude. | 22:58 |
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| @preaction | Lando1, following the instructions on the staff wiki perhaps? | 22:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yep | 22:58 |
| @preaction | then yes, the latest revision on the 7.5 branch | 22:58 |
| @preaction | anyone here know why spectre.pl redirects STDERR and STDOUT to /dev/null? | 22:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's because spectre cannot fail | 22:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | and thus doen't need stderr | 22:59 |
| @preaction | you lie! it might not be able to open the log files | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | dude | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | spectre can open anything it wants to | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it doesn't open alog file | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | it doesn't really want to | 23:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | When spectre does a push-up the Earth moves away from it. | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's right | 23:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Spectre never has to go to the bathroom, why? Because nothing escapes Spectre. | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | except | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | specter can do it without hands | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Spectre can make the sound of one hand clapping | 23:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Spectre burns fire, hammers hammers, and nails nails. | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Spectre once thought it was wrong | 23:02 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7621 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Mail/Send.pm Inbox/Message.pm): clean up sent messages some | 23:02 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7622 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm): added variant id template variable to product variant loop | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | but it wasn't | 23:02 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7623 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (9 files in 5 dirs): make sure we are using var->isAdminOn instead of var->get('adminOn') | 23:03 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7624 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm): fixed: Folders are cached by the client too long for visitors | 23:03 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7625 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (Search.pm Help/Asset_Survey.pm): fix a couple minor syntax issues | 23:03 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7626 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm): added variant id template variable to product variant loop | 23:03 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7627 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Mailed inbox messages don't indicate who sent the message | 23:03 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7628 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: Folders are cached by the client too long for visitors | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Hold maniacal merging, Graham-man | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | somehow those Batman-esque quotes only work well when they start with "Holy". | 23:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, 'Hold' just doesn't work as well. | 23:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Unless you are Spectre | 23:05 |
| SDuensin | Holy Win32 Crap! I wish IIS worked! | 23:05 |
| @preaction | would it be a good RFE to add a global flag for "Redirect to parent", so that all request to the asset's www_view method instead redirects to the parent's www_view method? | 23:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | How often are there assets that we don't want viewed? | 23:06 |
| @preaction | not viewed per se, just viewed within the page's context | 23:06 |
| @preaction | and often | 23:06 |
| @preaction | once a person clicks "Next Page" in a Collab, Calendar, Photo Gallery, SQLReport, ... what have you | 23:07 |
| @preaction | they go to the Asset, not the Page Layout they were on | 23:07 |
| @preaction | people don't seem to like that much | 23:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: will you let me know when you are ready? | 23:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: yeah, that makes sense then. | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | ready now afaik | 23:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That annoys me also. | 23:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sweet | 23:08 |
| @preaction | the problem is when it's not www_view we're looking at, but www_search or something. THOSE we can't fix | 23:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sweet jumping new releases, let's get this party started. All hands prepare to test codebase, moving to defcon 3 | 23:08 |
| @preaction | unless we made Layout something entirely different | 23:08 |
| @preaction | ... somehow made a way to call a Layout and specify an assetId and the content to insert for that assetId (instead of the normal content)... | 23:11 |
| @preaction | humph... sounds hacky | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: be sure to run the i18n label scanner | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of new labels on Tuesday | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | preaction: that will be almost impossible | 23:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I have never heard of this label scanner. | 23:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | in sbin? | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | since even if you manage to tdo that somehow | 23:12 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease, how do you figure? we'd have to refactor Layout a bit, sure, and it needs it, but it seems... plausible | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | t/i18n/critic_labels.t | 23:12 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, run the tests with CODE_COP=1 in your environment | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | show the container asset, the func will be called upon all assets | 23:13 |
| @preaction | i think that's part of the wiki procedure | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the layout | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | they take a _long_ time to run | 23:13 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease, no, the Layout explicitly calls $asset->view; but yes, the form parameters would get passed to all those assets and bad things would probably happen | 23:13 |
| @preaction | hell... | 23:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yes, I got to fly wingman on last week's release. It takes a while. | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know it does that, but you were going to rig it to allow for other method calls right =) | 23:14 |
| * perlDreamer thinks we need form var uniqification before we can safely do func embedding | 23:15 | |
| @preaction | no, i was going to say something like $layout->compose( "assetId" => "content" ); and it would compose the layout, replacing any content i wanted and then returning the result | 23:16 |
| @preaction | i think we should allow form vars to be written or deleted, but that's beating a long-dead horse | 23:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | preaction: i see | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck with that =) | 23:17 |
| @preaction | yeah... sounds a rather large project, but lots of people seem to want it | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you can pull it off, i'll give you some karma | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:20 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7629 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Spanish translation is close to hitting the 50% mark | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | 47.8% | 23:56 |
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| @tavisto | awesome! | 00:02 |
| @tavisto | hola como estas perlDreamer? | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Tengo cansado | 00:03 |
| @tavisto | I mañana apesadumbrado que usted es cansado. ¿Cualquier persona en aquí habla español? | 00:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I think these i18n tests must make the coverage tests last 7 days. | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I wouldn't do both at the same time. | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Yo creo que tavisto habla Google translate. | 00:06 |
| @tavisto | nah.. i have a mac.. dashboard punk! | 00:06 |
| @tavisto | Perlmonkey2 es un bolso de la suciedad | 00:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | tavisto: that's not very nice. | 00:07 |
| @tavisto | muwhaha! | 00:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what is a bolso? | 00:09 |
| @tavisto | it's dutch for zebra giraffe animal | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh it means tavisto's mama? | 00:10 |
| @tavisto | actually I think it means a dead dutchman | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see... | 00:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | tavisto es un tirón cara | 00:12 |
| @tavisto | MrHairgrease, I'm surprised you are on IRC right now.. Isn't your imaginary girlfriend going to be upset with you neglecting her? | 00:12 |
| @tavisto | :) | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | well she's sleeping right now | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i'm finishing up some stuff I'll have to show arjan tomorrow | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | and it's only 23.13 over here | 00:13 |
| @tavisto | oh that's early | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | i wouldn't call it early, but it sure isn't bed time yet | 00:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | uhg, I shouldn't have enabled the i18n tests. 22 subtests failed. | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Several of them are due to holes in the test | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Please paste the output and I can tell you which, if any, are real | 00:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | http://pastebin.com/d55f2cd12 | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought you said 22 i18n tests failed | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the Whitespace tests are real | 00:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no, I said I shouoldn't have done the i18n tests. | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow is worth looking at, as is Workflow/Instance.t | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | t/Spectre only works in special circumstances, like using the WRE | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't run that test, so I don't know what's wrong with it | 00:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: err, looks like the wiki release guide is way out of date. | 00:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do this. | 00:36 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, i can't help you then, only Haarg could help you | 00:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | k | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | perlmonkey2, run the tests that failed in verbose mode | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | or just directly with perl | 00:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okahy | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | you can skip the spectre and whitespace ones for now | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i saw your change to fix singletin workflows being re-run | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | i think we'll need to re-adjust that | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Really? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Why? | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | needs the canonical flag there and possibly somewhere else so we always get the right order of the keys | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | otherwise it is random | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | pwd | 00:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Whitespace.t failed on line 31 | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | i think i missed changing that somewhere else when i put that in there | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Whitespace.t passes for me here | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: What's the exact output? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | It will tell you what line of which file is violating POD spacing rules | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | passes here as well | 00:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | expected 0 got 20 | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | good, now which file is it? | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | 20 is the line that it found the error on | 00:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Ibox/Message.pm | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Are you working on HEAD and fully up to date? | 00:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no, I'm working on 7.5 branch svn -R revert .; svn up | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | do this: | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | from the top of branch | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | svn merge -c 7458 https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | then rerun the test and commit | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | (if it passes) | 00:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 7458? | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | 7458 | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | r7458 | colin | 2008-09-10 08:33:01 -0700 (Wed, 10 Sep 2008) | 1 line | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | fix POD spacing | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't backport that, and should have | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | -c is merge a specific change | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | -r is merge a set of differences | 00:44 |
| @Haarg | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d470d8cc4 | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | except with @@ at the beginning of the highlighted line | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I understand | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that would explain the random failures | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but earlier, you mentioned something about the "canonical flag". What's that? | 00:46 |
| @Haarg | for json encoding | 00:46 |
| @Haarg | sorts by key name instead of being random | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | so you can compare two data structure | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | s | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember that change. create used canonical, but set didn't | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | so I made them both not use it | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | i think we need to use it on both ends | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Want me to change it? | 00:48 |
| @Haarg | instead of pretty, which is pretty useless in this context | 00:48 |
| @Haarg | sure | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | committed as 7631 and 7630 in both branches | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that would explain the random failures in both tests, too | 00:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I need a faster test machine...... | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Me, too | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: What ever happened to the test server? | 00:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Tought you were running a P60 or something? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | P3 500 MHz | 00:54 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, it won't boot last i knew. i haven't had time to play with it | 00:54 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: the wiki's release instructions are way out of date. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do this on my own. | 01:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Not that the tests are done yet. | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | i know | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | i'll help you with it again | 01:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, I'll see if I can update the wiki after this time also. | 01:01 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7630 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: encode parameter JSON with canonical so that it is consistent | 01:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7631 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: backport canonical JSON setting | 01:08 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends. Is there something I am missing on the page title? The browser always shows the site title but never the page title... from what I have read, the page title is most of your search engine weight... | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | that's controlled by your style template | 01:13 |
| doc777 | Ah, so it could get the info from the page instead of static? | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:14 |
| doc777 | Aha! Thank you. Would you happen to know what var to call there? | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | ^Page('title'); | 01:15 |
| doc777 | Thank you! | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | MrHairgrease, you can't use single quotes like that in macro calls | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never use quotes anyway | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | when i don't have that is | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | so ^Page(title); | 01:21 |
| doc777 | Aha! thanks... it was not working. Its late ;) | 01:21 |
| doc777 | Thank you all. Have a good evening! | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreame1 | Haarg, why add variant_id to the list of variables? | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | allows you to construct the select list manually if you wanted | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | select box rather | 01:32 |
| +perlDreame1 | if www_buy was modified, it could be either | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | also allows you to eliminate the select list entirely if there is only one entry | 01:33 |
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| carogray1 | anybody notice that now tincy mce editor is adding <p> tag to text in events for calendar? | 03:24 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: probably too late for you, but all next week I'm on 100% survey. | 03:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | definitely should have something rough, but working, by sometime next week. | 03:46 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: music to my ears :) | 03:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | too late for your project? | 03:47 |
| patspam | it's being delayed by a few weeks | 03:48 |
| patspam | i haven't quite finished implementing the rest of the site either | 03:48 |
| patspam | but I'll definitely be using Survey2 as soon as it's out the door | 03:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | cool | 03:50 |
| @rizen | webgui 7.6 releases start next tuesday | 03:51 |
| @rizen | you heard it here first | 03:51 |
| @rizen | so if kaleb gets something working by the end of next week, you'll be able to upgrade to 7.6.1 the week after and have it | 03:51 |
| patspam | rizen: fantastic! | 03:51 |
| @rizen | keep in mind it will be beta | 03:52 |
| @rizen | 7.6 won't be labeled stable until the end of january | 03:52 |
| patspam | yeah that's fine, I'm going to hack on it too | 03:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that is too cool | 03:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll start working on the survey this weekend to see if I can make it. | 03:52 |
| @rizen | so kaleb, plan on having your branch merged into head by the end of thw eek | 03:52 |
| @rizen | week | 03:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | aye aye captain. | 03:53 |
| @rizen | even if it's not complete | 03:53 |
| @rizen | you can always keep upgrading | 03:53 |
| @rizen | but that means your data migration has to be complete next week | 03:53 |
| @rizen | survey 1 => survey 2 | 03:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So data migration is a must. Okay, once I have something functional for creating and taking a survye, I'll do the data migration, then I'll do the reports, packaging, versioning, etc. | 03:54 |
| @rizen | yep, it's a must | 03:54 |
| @preaction | soon the test box will be back operational again! yay! | 03:58 |
| @preaction | also, i hate hardware issues | 03:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | what was wrong with it? | 03:59 |
| @preaction | i think it's the mobo, but i'm not sure. i thought i had another socket 775 mobo to test everything with, but i didn't. so now i need some more heatsink goop before i can start testing | 04:00 |
| @preaction | but i got the hard drive in another computer for now, and all my code's still good | 04:01 |
| @preaction | it was the TAP::Formatter::Template that I was worried about, it took a while to figure out how to make TAP output get formatted by Template Toolkit | 04:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sounds painful | 04:04 |
| @preaction | eh, i just never got around to fixing it, or taking the 4+ computers' worth of spare parts into a working one | 04:05 |
| @rizen | if you can't get it working, let me know and we'll just buy another virtual server for it | 04:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've got a Q6600 with 4GB ram we could use. I've only got a 1MB upstream though, but my daily bandwidth is basically ulimited. | 04:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I mean 1mbit | 04:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 1Mb would actually be useful. | 04:53 |
| @preaction | that's still more than me, but i got this thing working now | 04:53 |
| @preaction | after some help from #debian | 04:54 |
| @preaction | stupid RealTek NICs and apparently i don't have the right drivers for my other nic | 04:54 |
| @preaction | so i found one that works! yay! | 04:54 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: how does she run? I've been speccing up similar PCs on dell for my next dev box | 04:54 |
| @preaction | and i found my other R&D project too | 04:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ugh, that is why I keep some nameless ancient nic around that has always work with my *nix boxes. | 04:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: beautifully. | 04:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: I run folding@home. I get more points from it than I got running it on 5 P965's at my old job. | 04:55 |
| patspam | hah nice | 04:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | And at ~$185 a proc, it is very reasonable for the performance. | 04:56 |
| patspam | I can't wait to switch from current laptop to proper desktop beast | 04:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Also, my server only runs 100watts when all four cores pegged. | 04:56 |
| patspam | nice | 04:56 |
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| elnino | I'm looking at https://www.plainblack.com/shop/hosting/site - how much memory do these servers have? | 05:34 |
| @preaction | elnino, which ones? | 05:40 |
| @preaction | oh, those. it doesn't matter really, since there's no custom code allowed you just have the bare webgui | 05:40 |
| @preaction | so, enough to run all the sites on the box | 05:40 |
| elnino | so, 512? the system reqruiements on the wiki says 1G, but it seems that since webui provides mini servers with 512, the system requirements is probably more like 512. | 05:42 |
| elnino | mini - https://www.plainblack.com/shop/hosting/virtual-private-servers | 05:42 |
| @preaction | those are shared hosts, they host a few dozen sites each | 05:42 |
| @preaction | 4G | 05:42 |
| @preaction | make that 2G | 05:43 |
| elnino | you're saying https://www.plainblack.com/shop/hosting/site have 2G? | 05:45 |
| @preaction | it's a shared hosting environment | 05:46 |
| elnino | or 2G total for the entire server? | 05:46 |
| elnino | ok. most shared hosting companies | 05:46 |
| @preaction | it's not a vps or otherwise divided in any way | 05:46 |
| elnino | specify allocations and peak and stuff. | 05:46 |
| elnino | so I wonder how many sites are on a server? | 05:46 |
| @preaction | as many as we can, depending on traffic | 05:47 |
| elnino | or is it one install of wre wth many sites? that would make sense. | 05:47 |
| @preaction | one WRE, many WebGUI sites | 05:47 |
| elnino | ok. that makes sense | 05:47 |
| nuba | sounds like a beefy setup with plenty of vhosts | 05:47 |
| elnino | is the agency shared as well? | 05:48 |
| elnino | sorry, these questions are more for tavis I think. usually he's around around this time. | 05:49 |
| elnino | but I appreciate you answering! | 05:49 |
| @preaction | agency hosting is one of those boxes given to one company / person / agency | 05:49 |
| elnino | so "shared" within one company. =) | 05:51 |
| @preaction | the idea being, yeah, that the one company then resells space on that box | 05:52 |
| elnino | and the agency hosting - I can't do custom code or install (gasp) non-webgui applicatoins. right? | 05:57 |
| @preaction | that i don't know. agency hosting is given over to a single entity, so maybe | 05:57 |
| elnino | that how it seems to read... hmm. interesting... This client has tons of sites. I think she wants to eventually port over... | 05:58 |
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| @rizen | agency hosting is the same as shared hosting | 06:08 |
| @rizen | except you get a discounted rate | 06:08 |
| @rizen | for having lots of sites | 06:08 |
| @rizen | no custom code | 06:08 |
| @rizen | the minivps that you were looking at with 512 mb of ram is good for a small site with some custom code | 06:09 |
| @rizen | it won't hack a lot of traffic | 06:09 |
| @rizen | but it works great for someone that needs custom code in a small environment | 06:09 |
| @rizen | any other questions elnino | 06:12 |
| @rizen | i'm getting ready to get away from the computer for the night | 06:13 |
| elnino | that's the info I needed. Thanks! | 06:13 |
| elnino | Good nite rizen. | 06:13 |
| @rizen | nite | 06:14 |
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| elnino | hmmm. if the requirement for one install of wre and one small site is 512, how much more does adding another site of same size/traffic configuration require? I suspect it doesn't mean 512 per site.. Or does it? | 06:23 |
| @Haarg | multiple sites don't make a particularly big difference, traffic is the important part | 06:24 |
| elnino | that's what I thougt. Thanks! | 06:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | When I was looking for contracts on my own, one thing I noticed is a lot of people willing to pay real money for sites, wanted tons of storage. They would see those $30 hosters giving 20GB of disk and refuse anything less. We know that is a scam, with TOS's and slow connections making most of that disk worthless. But I wonder if there was a way to use Amazon's S3 to expand what WG could serve? | 06:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | authentication is the problem unless the an EC2 was network mounted to the WG machine. | 06:29 |
| @Haarg | it would be nice if we could tie into S3 for hosting uploads | 06:30 |
| @Haarg | would solve a few problems. managing permissions would be one of the trouble areas, but a lot of people don't have private uploads anyway. | 06:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I have a really good book on Amazon's cloud services, but only skimmed the EC2 chapter. I'll go through the S3 tonight and see if a solution presents. | 06:32 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | We need a gatekeeper asset that would sign webservice requests from a user's java(script) client. | 06:49 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | and that is how we could control authentication to all S3 requests. | 06:50 |
| patspam | WebGUI 7.4.23 (stable) codename: bugmonkey2 | 06:50 |
| patspam | .5 even | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | is it broken? | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | eh? | 06:51 |
| patspam | nah, was just giving props to kaleb for all the bug fixes | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | something wrong with it? | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | This week I've done more support than bugs. | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Is working at PB like what you thought it would be? | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Well, support is like having a real job. | 06:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But other than that, it is pretty much like I thought. Laid back and doing fun interesting stuff. | 06:52 |
| patspam | that's the correct answer | 06:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Uwe Boll movies suck | 06:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | what are those? | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | He's a director/producer | 06:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hah, his wiki page has a section on "Petition to retire" | 06:56 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Oh, he did the BloodRayne movies. Yeah, he's really bad. | 06:57 |
| patspam | hah awesome, you know you've made it when your wiki page has a petition on it | 06:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | you know you've made it when you have a wiki page (that doesn't get removed). | 06:58 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | so the has a client that can generate AWS requests, but needs them signed by an authority. WG has an S3 asset that can act as an authority using WG auth to determine which requests to sign. The client then takes its signed request and executes against S3. Workable? | 07:01 |
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| patspam | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/perlmonkey2 | 07:05 |
| patspam | you've made it man | 07:05 |
| patspam | (assuming it doesn't get removed) =p | 07:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Wow, I'm a winner and people like me, dang it | 07:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that's cool patspam | 07:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | No one else excited over the upcoming WebGUI S3 wobject? | 07:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I wonder if anyone has already written a JS S3 AWS client. | 07:13 |
| patspam | i remember someone talking about something like that on the dev list over a year ago | 07:16 |
| patspam | at the WebGUI::Storage level | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | DonorWare has done work with WebGUI and Amazon's stuff | 07:17 |
| patspam | http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/pluggable-file-system-for-amazon-s3 | 07:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | interesting thread. | 07:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The solution I put forth though allows WG to be hosted elsewhere and you don't have to pay for bandwidth twice (S3->WG->user). | 07:22 |
| nuba | cool | 07:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | easily subclass storage | 07:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well maybe not. As a fairly complex client will have to be on the user's end. | 07:27 |
| nuba | usually you cant avoid complexity... if you make things simple here then it'll move elsewhere.. | 07:31 |
| nuba | only hope lies with elegant design, architecture | 07:31 |
| nuba | so things be simple as possible, yet not simplified. i guess einstein said that. | 07:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Is it worth the effort to come up with a client + gatekeeper asset or to just pay for the bandwidth twice and have the WG instance grab the data dirctly from S3 to serve? | 07:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | In an app as widely used as WG, it is probably worth the effort. | 07:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Oh well, interesting problem for some other tiem. | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: You're a beastie | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | You do a full release of WebGUI, and then decide to launch into Amazon Services | 07:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hah, just toying with the idea tonight. I'm 100% Survey after Friday. | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | survey | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | survey | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | survey | 07:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Which is turning into a lot of fun. I can't explain how much simpler the JSON struct is making everything. Almost every algorithm has become a lot simpler. | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I still need to generalize that code with Haarg | 07:47 |
| @Haarg | which code? | 07:48 |
| @Haarg | oh, json collateral? | 07:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I take the JSON hash deserialize and then init a SurveyJSON clas with it. It then inits Section classes with the appriate hash menmbers, whihc init question classes with the approriate hash members, and answers get the same. | 07:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and then I have a big ball of Survey all ready to go. | 07:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | when done, each class removes circular reference and returns its unblessed hash for serialization. | 07:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: is that a really stupid way to do it? | 07:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or just dumb? | 07:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | mildly retarded? | 07:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Tell me, I can handle the truth. | 07:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, was away getting a snack | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | json collateral, Haarg | 07:52 |
| @Haarg | i'm messing with dataform now, turning entries into their own objects | 07:53 |
| @Haarg | still need a better solution for the field configuration | 07:53 |
| @Haarg | trying to clean up some more silliness that i didn't get done for 7.5 | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Want some help? | 07:56 |
| @Haarg | it's going fine for now | 07:57 |
| @Haarg | also trying to add some tests | 07:57 |
| @Haarg | since there currently are none | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, you mean DataForm silliness. I thought there was _other_ silliness preventing you from getting to the DataForm | 07:58 |
| @Haarg | yeah, just stuff with dataform | 07:58 |
| @Haarg | like how prepareView does the entire render process | 07:58 |
| @Haarg | and view just pulls that data out | 07:58 |
| @Haarg | it'll also need some adjustments for caching | 07:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | what's wrong with DataForm's prepareView? | 07:59 |
| @Haarg | it works well enough | 07:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | # this one is so nutz that we don't even bother preparing, we just execute the whole thing | 08:00 |
| @Haarg | but it does the full processing on the template | 08:00 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that bit | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it got a lot more complex when I added the defaultView stuff into it | 08:00 |
| @Haarg | also, i think it has the same problem as thingy | 08:00 |
| @Haarg | where if you have the default view as list | 08:00 |
| @Haarg | but the user doesn't have permission, it will double the style template | 08:01 |
| @Haarg | didn't actually test that but that's what the code looks like | 08:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What should DataForm hand off the template processing to? | 08:01 |
| @Haarg | the normal way to do it is to initialize the template in prepareView | 08:01 |
| @Haarg | and only do the actual template variable generation and template processing in view | 08:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ic | 08:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that's good to know | 08:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Like Article | 08:02 |
| @Haarg | it also uses stow variables in an odd way | 08:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | like global vars? | 08:04 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it stores an internal flag in a stow variable | 08:05 |
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| patspam | this is totally anecdotal.. and could be just due to me mucking up something.. but i think when i copy/pasted a CS with mail enabled and then disabled mail on the copied version, it disabled mail for the orig | 09:18 |
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| patspam | *zzzzz* | 11:21 |
| patspam | that's the sounds of everyone sleeping | 11:21 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7637 /translations/French/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 15:17 |
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| SDuensin | FRIDAY!!! | 16:25 |
| @rizenisaway | indeed! | 16:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Ugh, we have to do something about assetmanager not having a message when the ajax requests time otu. | 16:58 |
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| @rizen | pm2: yeah you do | 17:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | :D | 17:23 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone. | 17:32 |
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| SDuensin | Avast! We be forgettin' de day! Yaar! | 17:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hello SquOnk SDuensin | 17:49 |
| SquOnk | perlmonkey2: Hey there | 17:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Is it speak like a pirate day? | 17:49 |
| SDuensin | Aye! | 17:49 |
| SquOnk | I've started working in the PostgreSQL port... | 17:50 |
| SquOnk | I've also received a complaint from various Debian users. XML::RSSLite is quite old, looks abandoned upstream and has a couple of ugly bugs. | 17:51 |
| SquOnk | They were about to remove the package from the Debian repository. | 17:51 |
| @Haarg | these things are all true | 17:51 |
| SquOnk | I figured XML::RSSLite is only used in one place. | 17:51 |
| SquOnk | So either we change to XML::SomethingBetter or we fix XML::RSSLite. | 17:52 |
| * perlmonkey2 votes 'SomethingBetter' | 17:52 | |
| @Haarg | the entire syndicated content asset needs a rewrite | 17:52 |
| * SDuensin agrees | 17:52 | |
| @rizen | Though SomethingBetter sounds like a good and simple idea, it is not. | 17:52 |
| SDuensin | It's been quite fluky for me. | 17:52 |
| SquOnk | I lobbyed enough so that libxml-rsslite-perl is not removed from Lenny. | 17:52 |
| SquOnk | ...thus guaranteeing that the current webgui packages work fine. | 17:53 |
| @rizen | I agree it would be nice to get rid of it, but Syndicated Content asset needs to be rewritten to use something else, and that's not an easy task | 17:53 |
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| * rizen depricates snapcount | 18:02 | |
| @rizen | snapcount shall be replaced with SquOnk in the next release | 18:03 |
| SquOnk | rizen: With me? | 18:05 |
| @rizen | indeed | 18:07 |
| * SquOnk doesn't get it | 18:08 | |
| @rizen | you don't understand the concept of deprication? | 18:11 |
| SquOnk | Yes. | 18:12 |
| @rizen | or you don't understand that humans are all just cogs that are interchangeable in the giant machine that we call life? | 18:12 |
| SquOnk | If I were human | 18:12 |
| * perlmonkey2 isn't a cog in the machine, rather a brick in the wall. | 18:13 | |
| @rizen | if you're not human, you're at least a close enough facsimile to approximate the general dimensions of human enough to fit the needs of the machine | 18:13 |
| SquOnk | Updated 7.5.23 debian packages at the usual place. | 18:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | All right! 7.5 nightly smoke tests again! | 18:32 |
| @preaction | so it would seem, for now | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Who set that up? | 18:34 |
| @preaction | i fixed the test box | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Dude! Thank you. | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | What was the problem? | 18:34 |
| @preaction | by cannibaliazing the 4 derelict computers i have sitting around this house | 18:34 |
| @preaction | i think the test box mobo got fried, but i haven't got another one to tr to test that theory | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Wind turbine economics http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/18/micro.turbine/index.html | 18:34 |
| @preaction | the network cards i had in there also doesn't work when put into another box, and the video card that was in there was really really old | 18:35 |
| @preaction | (since i think i blew the onboard vga port) | 18:35 |
| @preaction | at any rate, i got the HD out and have a working test box again | 18:35 |
| @preaction | and most importantly i have my work on version 2.0 of those nightly tests, which will include devel::cover and a pretty htmlized test output | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | It might be worth running devel::cover only weekly | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a huge hit to test time | 18:37 |
| @preaction | probably. the box does nothing else, so how long it takes should be a little irrelevant | 18:37 |
| @preaction | or maybe only run Coverage on the SVN, not any other | 18:37 |
| @preaction | oh, i also have the ambition of testing the upgrades more thorougly by making them go through every version they can | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | An integration server? Sounds good. | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | And there may be existing software to handle that automatically | 18:38 |
| @preaction | what would i look for? | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd try the perl QA site, and search for "Continuous integration server" | 18:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Neat article. | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I know you're planning something bigger, and homemade. So you can probably make something a lot more economic. | 18:47 |
| @preaction | tinderbox looks like a good idea, plus it's perl so i could extend it | 18:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: not bigger just homemade | 18:53 |
| @preaction | ah, pd wasn't talking to me | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: No. When it comes to software, I know you can always make something better, bigger and more economic ;) | 18:55 |
| @preaction | maybe, but the time involved | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm willing to chip in to help out | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I am kind of the WebGUI Testing Czar | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | s/Czar/Serf/ | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | s/Serf/Lacky/ | 18:56 |
| SquOnk | lol | 18:57 |
| SquOnk | /usr/share/webgui/t/Macro/Thumbnail.................................ok 1/9Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method at /usr/share/perl5/DateTime/TimeZone.pm line 77 | 18:57 |
| SquOnk | Can't locate auto/Graphics/Magick/GetPixels.al in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/webgui/t/Macro/../lib lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /usr/share/webgui/lib) at /usr/share/webgui/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t line 104 | 18:57 |
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| SquOnk | True, I don't have Graphics::Magick, but I DO have PerlMagick which is the alternative | 18:58 |
| SquOnk | And I also have | 18:58 |
| SquOnk | /usr/share/webgui/t/Macro/SQL.......................................ok 1/15DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '* from testTable order by one' at line 1 at lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 314. | 18:58 |
| SquOnk | This is on 7.5.23 | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | that's by design | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the last one, SquOnk | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | It tests how bad SQL is handled | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and it "leaks" out on STDERR | 18:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: my first model will just be a small 3 meter job, should average 200W all year around. | 18:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | only 5KW/h a day, but should be a fun start. | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe I should tie off STDERR for that test to quiet the noise | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: didn't the article say that at 1K you can break even? | 18:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if you live in on 200mph blowy lane, blowmedownville, blows | 19:00 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: use IO::Capture::Stderr | 19:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: but most places with decent wind will average 10-15 mph year round. | 19:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so it takes a 7 meter turbine to average 1KW/h | 19:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and those sneaky guys selling turbines will give you their ratings for 30mph winds, which you'll see maybe 1% of the time. | 19:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but a 1KW/h system wouldn't be enough if you used battery backup. At least not in the summer when my AC runs 50% of the day. | 19:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But if you sell back to the grid, you'll net negative usage. | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, if I add more requirements to the core WebGUI install, I think rizen will shoot me. | 19:05 |
| carogray | hi - does anyone know if rich text editor was "upgraded" with the recent upgrade to latest stable WebGUI? It is insisting on inserting p tags in the description when our admin wants to enter a new calendar event | 19:05 |
| @rizen | carogray: yes | 19:06 |
| carogray | completely messing up our event list | 19:06 |
| carogray | ugh | 19:06 |
| @rizen | it is now 3.0 | 19:06 |
| carogray | anyone to get round this p tag inserting? | 19:06 |
| carogray | anyway | 19:06 |
| carogray | any way | 19:06 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: you can add it, but not for 7.5 | 19:06 |
| @rizen | carogray: you could try the use <br> instead of <p> switch in the rich editor | 19:07 |
| @rizen | other than that, no idea | 19:07 |
| @rizen | you could also use some CSS to eliminate the effect of the <p> tags | 19:08 |
| carogray | the br won't work cause the description needs to start with out a beginning p tag. I guess we will have to look at fixing the CSS for it | 19:08 |
| carogray | yes, that's what we were thinking. | 19:08 |
| carogray | thanks | 19:08 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, it's not a core requirement, it's a test suggestion. we can add whatever we want | 20:07 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7638 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): AssetManager now times out after 30 seconds on the AJAX call to load assets. This will help people realize they are having network issues. | 20:13 |
| doc777 | Hello everyone. Using 7.5.20 wg I am getting this: Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm in @INC | 20:15 |
| doc777 | I think this might have started with the last upgrade I did ;) | 20:15 |
| doc777 | What am I missing or overlooked? Pretty sure its my fault. | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | doc777: Install Template::Toolkit | 20:16 |
| SquOnk | doc777: Looks like your missing Template-Toolkit | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Option b: Add WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit to preload.exclude in your sbin directory | 20:17 |
| doc777 | Well, the TemplateToolkit.pm is in there... complaining about Template.pm which is not there. | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but TemplateToolkit.pm is trying to load Template::Toolkit.pm, which you don't have | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | since you aren't using TemplateToolkit.pm, just tell WebGUI not to load it | 20:18 |
| doc777 | What I am trying to do it get the google site map like: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/how-to-make-a-google-sitemap-of-your-webgui-site to work. Cannot yet as it is all blank so I checked the logs and found that error. I am unsure if it is related. Do I need templatetoolkit for that? | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 20:19 |
| doc777 | Ok, then disable it I shall do! | 20:19 |
| doc777 | while I am cleaning up the log, any idea what this means? WebGUI::Macro::process[142] - Can't call method "getLineageLength" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm line 404. | 20:28 |
| @preaction | doc777, that was a bug that was fixed in 7.5.21 i believe | 20:28 |
| doc777 | Ah, then I need to upgrade. Thank you. | 20:29 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7639 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: actove admin console tab isn't highlighted | 20:48 |
| doc777 | Hrm... upgraded to .23 seemingly without a hitch. But when I went to change something it failed and saw this in the log: Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_477d_0.MYI'; try to repair it | 20:55 |
| @preaction | so do what it says | 20:57 |
| @preaction | myisamchk is the program to do it | 20:57 |
| @preaction | wait, /tmp/? | 20:57 |
| doc777 | This is what the webgui log says: WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[135] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: describe assetVersionTag : With place holders: . Root cause: Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_477d_0.MYI'; try to repair it | 20:58 |
| doc777 | makes no sense to me... | 20:58 |
| doc777 | The upgrade looked like it was seamless. no errors and everything seemed ok... until I tried to change a page. Then it threw this. | 20:59 |
| @preaction | run a myisamchk on your database files | 21:01 |
| doc777 | I had to delete the webgui cache in /tmp. That cleared it up. | 21:08 |
| * perlmonkey2 dreams of transactions | 21:30 | |
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| * perlDreamer dreams of transistors | 21:34 | |
| * perlDreamer realizes that perlmonkey2's dreams are definitely better | 21:34 | |
| doc777 | Can anyone give me advice on generating a google site map? I have followed the howto on the wg site for about 4 hours and it generates a blank page ;p | 21:44 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7640 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix spelling error in site starter | 23:05 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7641 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 00:10 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer, perlmonkey2, Haarg, preaction, and others. I'd like to introduce WebGUI::Crud - https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm | 00:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Snazzy name | 00:44 |
| @rizen | this is not officially going into the core yet, i want some comments on it | 00:44 |
| @rizen | and if you guys like it, i'll document it and write tests for it this weekend | 00:44 |
| @rizen | this could have quite easily been the basis for all the objects in the shop, and will be the basis for Automat | 00:45 |
| @rizen | my thought is that this would also be useful for asset collateral | 00:45 |
| @rizen | anything that needs a database that is | 00:46 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7642 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: not officially in the core yet, just putting this out to see what people think | 00:46 |
| @preaction | the crud_ methods aren't supposed to be overridden right? if so, should start with _ | 00:46 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Why you can make anything out of it. | 00:47 |
| @rizen | no they are to be overridden as well if you want to | 00:47 |
| @rizen | that's why i didn't start them with a _ | 00:47 |
| @rizen | i just started them with crud_ to denote that they are management functions | 00:47 |
| @rizen | rather than regular methods for the object | 00:48 |
| @preaction | is there a method to run a search, or should that kind of thing be implemented by children? | 00:49 |
| @rizen | i was thinking about that, and it seems like that will be specific | 00:53 |
| @rizen | the only one i could think to add for sure was getAll() | 00:54 |
| @rizen | and that would have an option to return ids or objects | 00:54 |
| @rizen | pm2: yup, that's the idea | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Crud is a WebGUI::ORM? | 00:55 |
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| @rizen | there added a getAll() | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: aside from obvious (POD and tests) I don't see anything bad right now. | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Is the long term plan to base everything in WebGUI off of this? | 01:02 |
| @rizen | not everything | 01:02 |
| @rizen | just most things | 01:02 |
| @rizen | assets can't be based on this | 01:02 |
| @rizen | because they are multi-table objects | 01:02 |
| @rizen | WorkflowActivity's can't be because they don't each get their own table | 01:02 |
| @rizen | but yeah, lots of stuff | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | And this is all WebGUI 8 stuff? | 01:03 |
| @rizen | no 7.6 | 01:05 |
| @rizen | pd do you think a better name would be WebGUI::ORM | 01:05 |
| @rizen | is that more what this is? | 01:05 |
| @rizen | i always confuse the two | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | feedback: All action methods should return a flag for success or failure | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | for most methods, the db call is last so it's okay | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but delete doesn't work that way | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the return value is for the reorder | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | (just thinking about testing) | 01:06 |
| @rizen | you mean return a 1 on success? | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and 0/'' on failure | 01:06 |
| @rizen | and on failure throw an exception | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, or an exception | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's a lot of exception handling | 01:06 |
| @rizen | well i'm already using exceptions throughout | 01:06 |
| @rizen | so it seems like a good idea | 01:07 |
| @preaction | this does relate a database row to an object, so maybe it is more an ORM | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | it seems more specific than an ORM to me though | 01:07 |
| @preaction | but i don't know what all an ORM has to be able to do | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | According to wikipedia, this isn't an ORM | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | ORMs map complex data structures on a per field basis into db fields | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | so that if you have a person object with a set of phone numbers, the ORM handles translating from the list to the db fields | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I think this is a CRUD | 01:10 |
| @Haarg | agreed | 01:10 |
| @preaction | i don't mean to be nitpicky, but changing getAll() to be two methods: getAllIds and getAllObjects might be more self-documenting | 01:11 |
| @preaction | instead of having to look up what getAll returns, ids or objects | 01:11 |
| @rizen | ok, i have to add exceptions on failures, return 1 on success, and use quoteIdentifier for my fields and table names | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: What is the afore mentioned Automat? | 01:12 |
| @rizen | anything else? | 01:12 |
| @rizen | Automat is Plain Black's automated self-service hosting management system | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | If it doesn't throw an exception, that's the same as returning 1 on success, so you can drop that request from me. | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | If you'd like help with testing, please holler. | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | or POD writing | 01:13 |
| @rizen | pd, i'll take you up on that when i have the basics done...i'd love a reviewer | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | i'm using an iterator for dataform stuff, might be good to have something like that for larger data sets | 01:13 |
| @preaction | should we throw in a stub for a "find" or "search" method? just to make people keep some uniformity to it? | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | i should work on a general iterator that can be reused for some of these things | 01:13 |
| @rizen | the signatures will be different for each | 01:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | interators are always nice for anything that can be a set. | 01:14 |
| @rizen | so i don't know if a search stub is a useful idea or not | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: indeed, and anything that could be big, like every user/group in the system. | 01:14 |
| @rizen | so in general then people seem to like the idea of this thing | 01:14 |
| @rizen | ??? | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. One of my slides (which I still owe you) from Common Programming Mistakes is that every class has it's own object interface | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | new, create, find, etc. | 01:15 |
| @preaction | i have misgivings about making it an object, but i see the advantages in being able to pre- and post-process the data in the database, so i'll grow into it | 01:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Off the top of my head, i think it will help create uniformity, plus takes some of the grunt work away. | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | if we inherit all those from one place, things will be uniformly broken (or not) | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | how would you do it if not to have it an object? | 01:15 |
| @preaction | the object would be the connection and translation medium, so the object is related to the table as a whole, not a single row in it | 01:16 |
| @preaction | then you'd get rows as hash references | 01:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | as a set of subroutines to operate on a struct? | 01:16 |
| @Haarg | that seems more like what you would use class methods for preaction | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | granted, you would have to pass the $session around a lot | 01:17 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7643 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: fixed a sequencing problem | 01:18 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7644 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): DatePicker.js can now use different first days of the week | 01:18 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7645 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): DatePicker.js can now use different first days of the week | 01:18 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7646 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added getAll() | 01:18 |
| @rizen | preaction: that would have the same flaws as the Wobject collateral methods do now | 01:18 |
| @rizen | in that you'd have to pass in a whole crapload of fields | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | and you would always be dealing with things on a data level | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, and in your spare time, write the same thing for JSON handling | 01:19 |
| @rizen | hehe | 01:19 |
| @rizen | i don't need one for json just yet | 01:19 |
| @rizen | i needed this for automat | 01:19 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think Workflow Activities would be okay with this | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but not Assets | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | which is a shame | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | activities don't have their own tables though | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think that matters. Each activity tells CRUD which table they use | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | everything customizable is hidden inside JSON, right? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | there you go | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | we need a field config for automatic JSON translation | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so that the object can hold JSON data and have it automatically serialized into and out of the db | 01:23 |
| @Haarg | that's not too hard to do with just update/get on assets at this point | 01:23 |
| @Haarg | but that's just the serialization aspect of it | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but we're now using JSON throughout the system | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and we might as well have a uniform, centralized way of handling it | 01:24 |
| @Haarg | for data form for example the larger problem is manipulation of the hashes | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but that's collateral management | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a sub-class of the general JSON data case | 01:24 |
| @Haarg | if we really wanted to centralize that | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | it could just be an extra flag in definition | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | and the base update/get methods could take care of the work | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Exactly! I think I said that differently earlier (field config for automatic JSON translation) | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | ah, didn't quite catch what you meant there | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | i agree, that wouldn't be a bad idea | 01:26 |
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| snapcount | yo plainblack sales peeps | 01:27 |
| snapcount | I want to buy some training | 01:27 |
| snapcount | and nobody answered the phone =) | 01:27 |
| snapcount | anyone have time to talk about it? | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | What kind of training do you want snapcount? | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | You're a WebGUI-meister! | 01:27 |
| @rizen | pd, seems like a good idea | 01:27 |
| snapcount | heh... it's for my IT dept | 01:27 |
| @rizen | snapcount, sure | 01:28 |
| @rizen | i can talk about it | 01:28 |
| snapcount | cool... better here or on phone? | 01:28 |
| @rizen | snapcount, you do realize it's after 5pm on a friday, and that's why probably nobody answered | 01:28 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:28 |
| snapcount | lol | 01:28 |
| snapcount | I thought you guys worked 24x7 like Krispy Kreme | 01:28 |
| @rizen | working 24x7 and answering the phone 24x7 are two different things | 01:28 |
| @preaction | you mean there's a krispy kreme open, right now, somewhere, and i just have to find it? | 01:29 |
| snapcount | very true | 01:29 |
| snapcount | mmm | 01:29 |
| @rizen | up to you if you want to call me you can or we can talk her | 01:29 |
| @rizen | here | 01:29 |
| snapcount | ok here is fine | 01:29 |
| snapcount | basically I have a team of Perl devs | 01:29 |
| snapcount | some designers | 01:29 |
| snapcount | and content folks | 01:29 |
| snapcount | I want them to get some hands on and the books | 01:30 |
| snapcount | so I need to know how much that would cost... how many days it would be, and when you could come | 01:30 |
| @preaction | perl webgui training? oh yes please please pick me pick me! | 01:30 |
| snapcount | if you're cheaper than rizen I'll pick you =) | 01:30 |
| snapcount | but I don't think I get to pick ! | 01:31 |
| @rizen | he works for me, so he's no cheaper. =) | 01:31 |
| snapcount | damn | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, you don't have to find it, I'll tell you where it is. | 01:31 |
| @rizen | well it depends on how much training you want in what topics | 01:31 |
| @rizen | for on site training we charge $1600 per day plus travel | 01:31 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, is this some crude segue into a homosexual joke? | 01:31 |
| snapcount | ok... I'm thinking we'd probably want two days | 01:32 |
| @rizen | and when you do onsite training you can buy as many books as you want with a 25% discount | 01:32 |
| snapcount | oh cool | 01:32 |
| @rizen | fitting programming, design, and cm into 2 days is going to be very rough | 01:32 |
| @rizen | not for us, but for your brains | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: You were talking about Krispi Kremes? | 01:33 |
| snapcount | so how fast could this happen? And can you cover content management, teaching designers to take a design and put it in the site + navs, and teach devs beginning to end wobject dev and the basics of workflows, etc. in two days? | 01:33 |
| @rizen | i'd recommend at least 3 days | 01:33 |
| snapcount | oh ok | 01:33 |
| @rizen | snapcount not possible | 01:33 |
| @rizen | asset development itself is at least a day | 01:33 |
| snapcount | so what is travel roughly these days? | 01:34 |
| snapcount | 400 / day or something | 01:34 |
| snapcount | we're in orlando fl | 01:34 |
| @preaction | nearest krispy kreme is 72 miles away :( | 01:34 |
| @rizen | probably about $700 for a plane ticket, and $200 per night for a hotel | 01:34 |
| @rizen | maybe cheaper | 01:34 |
| @rizen | maybe more expensive | 01:34 |
| @rizen | just depends | 01:34 |
| @rizen | but that's what we use for estimating | 01:35 |
| snapcount | so we're talking 6 or 7 K | 01:35 |
| @rizen | indeed | 01:35 |
| snapcount | cool that sounds good | 01:35 |
| snapcount | what's your schedule like? | 01:35 |
| @rizen | i think what we could do to get in everything you want we'd have to structure it like this: | 01:35 |
| @rizen | CM = 2 hours | 01:36 |
| @rizen | design = 6 hours | 01:36 |
| @rizen | programming = 8 hours | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Spanish Translation at 48.5% | 01:36 |
| @rizen | we might also be able to do a 3/5/8 kind of thing | 01:36 |
| snapcount | then day 3 is whatever we want help with? | 01:36 |
| @rizen | but your peeps brains are going to hurt afterward | 01:36 |
| snapcount | 3/5/8? | 01:36 |
| @rizen | i thought you said 2 days | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk seems to be a translation monster, in addition to his Debian hackery | 01:36 |
| snapcount | yeah but you told me it was impossible so I conceded | 01:37 |
| @rizen | oh | 01:37 |
| snapcount | chat lag =) | 01:37 |
| @rizen | in that case i'd do 3 hours CM, 5 hours design | 01:37 |
| @rizen | and the last two days dev | 01:37 |
| snapcount | that sounds better | 01:37 |
| @rizen | unless you think your devs are super bright and the other people are going to take longer | 01:38 |
| @rizen | then we can spend less time on dev | 01:38 |
| @rizen | and more on cm and design | 01:38 |
| snapcount | I think what you suggested sounds like a good plan | 01:38 |
| @rizen | CM prereqs are = must know how to use a web browser, word processor, etc | 01:38 |
| @rizen | design prereqs are = must have a firm understanding of html and css (without dreamweaver) | 01:38 |
| @rizen | dev prereqs are = must be fluent in perl including OO concepts | 01:39 |
| snapcount | not a problem | 01:39 |
| @rizen | all must have their own computers | 01:39 |
| snapcount | good there too | 01:39 |
| @rizen | and devs must be able to install the WRE on them either using VMWare images or directly using the WRE | 01:39 |
| snapcount | we have vmware environment already with wre | 01:40 |
| @rizen | ok | 01:40 |
| snapcount | we can deploy vms for all | 01:40 |
| snapcount | so I think this will work out... just leaves timeframe | 01:40 |
| @rizen | we can pretty much do the training whenver it's convenient for you...i'll have to verify with vrby of course, but i believe the schedule is pretty open | 01:40 |
| snapcount | awesome | 01:40 |
| snapcount | ok well I didn't have this in the budget until FY09 but this initiative got more traction today | 01:41 |
| snapcount | so I need to clear it with my CEO but I don't think it will be an issue | 01:41 |
| @rizen | great | 01:41 |
| @rizen | btw, what is your company URL? | 01:41 |
| snapcount | can I email you to confirm? | 01:41 |
| @rizen | absolutely | 01:41 |
| @rizen | and are you already using webgui, or is this a startup project | 01:42 |
| snapcount | Probably want to do this in about 2 weeks | 01:42 |
| snapcount | startup | 01:42 |
| snapcount | we want to start building an intranet | 01:42 |
| snapcount | but eventually use it as our rapid dev framework | 01:42 |
| @rizen | awesome | 01:42 |
| snapcount | eventually for production apps | 01:42 |
| snapcount | want to get my peeps eased in with the intranet | 01:42 |
| snapcount | when webgui is easier for them than straight perl | 01:42 |
| snapcount | move it out into more of our company | 01:43 |
| @rizen | ok great. | 01:43 |
| snapcount | http://www.hdpublishinggroup.com/ | 01:44 |
| @rizen | that's a new company for you isn't it snapcount? | 01:44 |
| snapcount | 1 yr 7 mos | 01:44 |
| snapcount | just got promoted to CIO today =D | 01:44 |
| snapcount | yipee | 01:44 |
| snapcount | hehe | 01:44 |
| @rizen | nice! | 01:44 |
| snapcount | yeah... start doing shit that makes sense... | 01:45 |
| @rizen | congrats | 01:45 |
| snapcount | like using webgui =D | 01:45 |
| @rizen | wahoo!!! | 01:45 |
| snapcount | thanks... been busting my butt for this one | 01:45 |
| doc777 | Anyone know why when you add "alt=text" to an image file it does not actually show up in the source code of the page? Do you have to add it manually on the page? | 01:48 |
| snapcount | oh rizen | 01:49 |
| snapcount | what are your terms? | 01:49 |
| snapcount | can you invoice net 30? | 01:49 |
| @rizen | net 30 is standard | 01:49 |
| snapcount | ok good | 01:50 |
| snapcount | makes it easier | 01:50 |
| doc777 | in .23 The "alt=text" image tag seems broken. You can set it on the image but it does not show in lynx. Just shows the filename. Have I over looked something or is this intended? ;-) | 01:53 |
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| @Haarg | i don't see that behavior | 01:59 |
| @Haarg | using 7.6, but i wouldn't expect 7.5 to be incredibly different | 01:59 |
| doc777 | We just wasted about 3 hours naming all the images to find out it did not work on our site.... | 02:00 |
| @rizen | how are you including the images into the page? | 02:02 |
| @rizen | ^FileUrl(); or ^AssetProxy(); | 02:02 |
| @rizen | ? | 02:02 |
| @rizen | or direct /uploads url? | 02:03 |
| @rizen | or some other way? | 02:04 |
| doc777 | Well just embeded into an article. Added with the editor... | 02:05 |
| @rizen | ok that's using the direct uploads url | 02:06 |
| @rizen | the problem is that you are referencing the images directly, which doesn't use the asset properties, because you've effectively created your own <img> tags for each image | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | how did you add them to the editor? | 02:07 |
| @rizen | that's the big downside to linking images through the rich editor | 02:07 |
| doc777 | I just clicked on a page, chose edit, chose insert/edit image and saved. | 02:07 |
| @rizen | however, in the rich editor, if you link an image | 02:07 |
| @rizen | you can set the alt there | 02:07 |
| @rizen | not at the image asset level...but in the properties of the new img tag you're creating | 02:08 |
| doc777 | so if we go back and use ^AssetProxy(image); then the tags should be there? | 02:08 |
| @rizen | yes | 02:08 |
| doc777 | Ah, live and learn... still love gui ;) | 02:08 |
| @rizen | if you replace the homebrew <img> tags with ^AssetProxy(asseturl); | 02:08 |
| @rizen | it's not as pretty for the content manager, but it works better | 02:09 |
| doc777 | Also I noticed that if we change the page title to something very long it really messes up the asset manager. Can the title column be changed to menu title? | 02:10 |
| @rizen | that's a good idea | 02:12 |
| @rizen | put it up as an RFE and i'll give it a bunch of karma | 02:13 |
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| doc777 | Ok, will try and do that. I think it would be nice ;) | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | be sure to search first, i think i saw that rfe on the list already | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe instead of menuTitle, it should just wrap or truncate? | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | menuTitle is often not filled out | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | so you'd get the name of the asset instead of anything useful | 02:19 |
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| doc777 | The description for menu title is "short description". I just thought it would be great. | 02:20 |
| doc777 | We always fill ours out. Thought we had to ;-) | 02:20 |
| SquOnk | re | 02:24 |
| * SquOnk was having late friday pizza | 02:25 | |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: Have you been translating WebGUI? | 02:28 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Awesome! | 02:29 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And fixing "spanglish" translations too | 02:29 |
| SquOnk | We speak lousy spanish in Venezuela :-) | 02:29 |
| * perlDreamer is probably responsible for some of those | 02:29 | |
| SquOnk | Actually I'm working in something "eviler" | 02:30 |
| SquOnk | I believe you remember my explanation regarding dh-make-perl... | 02:30 |
| SquOnk | ...you do dh-make-perl --cpan Some::Module::You::Need and lo and behold, you get a perfectly formed Debian package | 02:30 |
| SquOnk | Well, I'm working on dh-make-webgui-i18n | 02:31 |
| SquOnk | The general idea is doing something like | 02:31 |
| SquOnk | dh-make-webgui-i18n --lang Spanish | 02:31 |
| SquOnk | ...and it will fetch wathever is there in i18n.webgui.org and create webgui-i18n-spanish | 02:31 |
| SquOnk | Then you just dpkg -i it :-) | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | nice! | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/translations | 02:32 |
| SquOnk | dh-make-webgui-i18n --lang All will do what you imagine | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be big | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | not as big as X or OpenOffice.org, but still big | 02:33 |
| SquOnk | :-) | 02:33 |
| SquOnk | Maybe someone wants it, I don't know ;-) | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Someone with Greek, Urdu, Spanish and RedNeck users | 02:45 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer i just put in the serialization stuff could you please check it and see if you like how it's done? | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | It's bad | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | svn commit has no comment | 02:47 |
| @rizen | yeah, i'm using my ide to commit now and i'm just trying to figure out how to do it | 02:47 |
| @rizen | and i failed | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | encode and decode need the canonical methods inserted in them | 02:47 |
| @rizen | i'm a miserable miserable failure | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I got bit by that a few days ago | 02:48 |
| @rizen | cononical? | 02:48 |
| @rizen | what? | 02:48 |
| @rizen | syntax example please | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | JSON->new->canonical->decode | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | similar for encode | 02:48 |
| @rizen | why? | 02:48 |
| SquOnk | Asset File 100% | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | It forces the data to be sorted, so client classes can do operations on the JSON data sanely | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | like Workflow/Instance | 02:49 |
| SquOnk | Spanish 48.5% | 02:49 |
| @rizen | sorted according to what? | 02:49 |
| @rizen | and why would sorting make a difference of any sort to anything | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | In Workflow/Instance, it actually does a db lookup on the JSON data to check for duplicates | 02:49 |
| @rizen | oh i see | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that means the data has to be stored in a predictable format | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | canonical will guarantee that | 02:50 |
| @rizen | i get it now | 02:50 |
| @rizen | ok i'll do it | 02:50 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Except for the upgrade scripts... does all of the SQL statement live in SQL.pm and SQL/ResultSet.pm? | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: no | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | there's SQL all through the ocde | 02:51 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I see | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | ack 'session->db' /data/WebGUI/lib will give you a list | 02:51 |
| * SquOnk scratches his head | 02:51 | |
| @rizen | SquOnk instead of creating seperate files for database queries when we used to support multiple database we would just make all queries conform to ansi sql standards | 02:52 |
| @rizen | and not allow any specialty functions | 02:52 |
| SquOnk | rizen: My thoughts exactly | 02:52 |
| @rizen | however, we moved away from supporting straight ansi sql a couple of years ago | 02:52 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Are they ANSI right now? | 02:52 |
| @rizen | when we stopped supporting Postgres and Oracle | 02:53 |
| @rizen | it's still mostly ansi, but there are a few places now that are no longer ansi | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | later, all | 02:53 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I see. I'm interested in suppporting PostgreSQL. | 02:53 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7647 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix a whitespace issue for POD | 02:53 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7648 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: | 02:53 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7649 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (Asset_File.pm Macro_MiniCart.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server | 02:53 |
| @rizen | later pd | 02:53 |
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| SquOnk | rizen: So, my best bet is checking out for any "mysqlties" and try to bring them back to "ansiness". | 02:54 |
| @rizen | squonk, i'd have to be convinced of the value to allow you to do it, because there are some pretty significant performance gains we get by not using ansi sql everywhere | 02:54 |
| @rizen | take a look at WebGUI::Paginator | 02:54 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Can you give an example out of the top of your head? | 02:54 |
| @rizen | it's a good example | 02:54 |
| @rizen | specifically we use SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS | 02:55 |
| @rizen | which is mysql specific | 02:55 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Yes. There's an equivalent operation in PostgreSQL. | 02:56 |
| @rizen | it increased the speed of the paginator by something like a factor of 3 | 02:56 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying there's not | 02:56 |
| @rizen | i'm just saying that's not ANSI | 02:56 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Me neither :-) | 02:56 |
| @rizen | also Thingy dynamicly creates tables on the fly | 02:57 |
| @rizen | and so does the user profiling system | 02:57 |
| @rizen | i'm guessing the create syntax isn't ansi | 02:57 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Not a problem. | 02:57 |
| SquOnk | rizen: As long as I can have access to $dbh to find out the driver, I can do the right thing. | 02:57 |
| @rizen | $session->db->dbh will give you that | 02:57 |
| SquOnk | rizen: That said, it's clear that I have to check each file for SQL and have special branches for the special cases. | 02:58 |
| SquOnk | rizen: We have a _huge_ customer who is absolutely in love with WebGUI but will not use MySQL at all. | 02:59 |
| @rizen | yup, you'll have to do that in all classes, and the upgrade script | 02:59 |
| @rizen | how can they love webgui without loving mysql? | 02:59 |
| @rizen | just by default i mean | 02:59 |
| @rizen | love mysql for the sake of webgui | 02:59 |
| @rizen | =) | 02:59 |
| SquOnk | rizen: They love what webgui can do, but they've already lost money to MySQL big time. | 02:59 |
| @rizen | oh...one other thing, you'll need something to convert create.sql into postgres capable syntax | 03:00 |
| SquOnk | rizen: It did not scale to their needs and had severe performance problems under load. WebGUI is one thing, but they have several applications | 03:00 |
| @rizen | their applications can still be written in another db | 03:00 |
| SquOnk | rizen: You know when someone's made their mind about it? They have. They don't want to have anything to do with MySQL. | 03:01 |
| @rizen | my big concern here is that PB doesn't have any intention of supporting Postgres, which means you'll need to always be going through the code and upgrade scripts to make sure it's Pg compatible | 03:01 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I DBA all of their Pg databases, and they don't even want me to take charge of a separate MySQL server... | 03:01 |
| @rizen | i understand what you mean squonk | 03:01 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I understand that completely, don't worry. I'm just assessing the problem and seeing if it's worth the effort. | 03:02 |
| @rizen | if they're willing to pay you the big bucks to maintain it, then it's probably worth it. =) | 03:02 |
| @rizen | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | 03:03 |
| @rizen | if it's any consolation to you 3 years ago webgui did run on Pg, so the amount of work you have to do shouldn't be HUGE, but it will probably still be sizable. | 03:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: http://dev.taptinder.org/wiki/TapTinder | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | another alternative to Tinderbox | 04:36 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: added pod | 04:54 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: added return 1 on success | 04:54 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: replaced getAll with getAllSql getAllIterator and getAllIds | 04:54 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7652 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: commit an i18n tag that I forgot, and add datestamp to inherit parent permissions | 04:54 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7653 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Workflow.t: mod Workflow.t to work with 7.5 | 04:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | Has anyone else looked at this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/webgui-first-time-site-starter-hangs-after-style-designer | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't duplicate it | 05:10 |
| @preaction | rindolf was saying it was a source installation, i assume he was adding everything available from the site starter wizard | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but the style wizard is before that | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess you could read it that way, too | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but I went all the way through it | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | with no problems | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try loading up this time | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | It's gotta be spectre related | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | because it worked fine for me, with everything enabled to be added | 05:19 |
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| @rizen | so other than writing tests for it, WebGUI::Crud is in it's final form unless i get more feedback from peeps | 05:28 |
| @rizen | i've posted a request for feedback on the dev mailing list | 05:28 |
| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/request-for-comment-webguicrud#idZP-suN4O2NtwRFQrZcvYFg | 05:28 |
| @rizen | take a look at it | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll bet that will generate more info | 05:28 |
| @rizen | i'll write the tests for it tomorrow | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | especially from the Dutch crew and Knowmad | 05:28 |
| @rizen | i was thinking specifically knowmad and patspam actually . =) | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | you may not hear from patspam 'til Monday | 05:29 |
| @rizen | anyway, i'm off for the night | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Since in Australia it's already the weekend | 05:29 |
| @rizen | yeah | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, rizen | 05:29 |
| @rizen | i know | 05:29 |
| @rizen | later | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Great hacking today | 05:29 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7654 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Workflow/Instance.t: make this test work with 7.5 | 05:42 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7655 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: gave some options to the getAll methods | 05:42 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7656 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: first tests for WebGUI::Crud | 08:41 |
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| wgGuest60 | Is is possible to update an existing web site written with Dreamweaver with WebGUI? | 19:25 |
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| @rizen | does anyone here know how to use the getLineageIterator method? | 21:19 |
| @apeiron | rizen, It returns a subref that returns references when invoked. | 21:27 |
| @rizen | thanks, just figured it out | 21:27 |
| @rizen | is the best practice for calling sub refs still &$ref; | 21:27 |
| @rizen | or is there a better way? | 21:28 |
| @apeiron | hmm, I would go with $ref->(); | 21:28 |
| @rizen | thanks apeiron | 21:29 |
| @apeiron | First section of chapter 11 in PBP says to deref with arrows. | 21:29 |
| @rizen | there, now WebGUI::Crud has tests | 21:30 |
| * apeiron cheers | 21:32 | |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7660 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm t/Crud.t): added more tests and fixed bugs discovered by tests | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice tests, rizen | 01:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | have you checked coverage yet? | 01:00 |
| @rizen | no | 01:01 |
| @rizen | how good is it? | 01:05 |
| @rizen | or how bad | 01:05 |
| @rizen | i couldn't think of any more tests to that i could write with the base class | 01:06 |
| @rizen | really need a subclass to give it a good run | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the tests look solid | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and they clean up after themselves | 01:07 |
| @rizen | yay...i didn't suck for once | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, just this time | 01:07 |
| @rizen | i said for once | 01:07 |
| @rizen | am i back in your good graces then oh god of webgui testing? | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I have invoked Devel::Cover and will now read the bones | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | The bones say.... | 01:11 |
| @rizen | i just realized something, i forgot to add something to the tests | 01:11 |
| @rizen | better add it quick | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Need to check exception handling | 01:11 |
| @rizen | nope, that's not it | 01:11 |
| @rizen | but that should be a good test | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | there are no Shawshank quotes in the test | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and some subroutines are only tested in passing, rather than directly | 01:12 |
| @rizen | exactly | 01:13 |
| @rizen | no shawshank | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't think Devel::Cover would detect that | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie sucks | 01:15 |
| @rizen | yes it does | 01:17 |
| @rizen | i want to go see Eagle Eye today, even though it's going to suck | 01:17 |
| khenn_ | I just saw Clone Wars with Matthew and it sucked | 01:18 |
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| @rizen | i have now fulfilled the requirements that all tests must have | 01:20 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7661 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: now i have fulfilled the requirements that all tests must have | 01:28 |
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| snapcount_ | rizen: you around? | 19:42 |
| @rizen | just us chickens | 19:42 |
| snapcount_ | heh | 19:42 |
| snapcount_ | we're going to move forward | 19:43 |
| snapcount_ | I need to get it on our schedule so I won't know when until sometime this week | 19:43 |
| @rizen | sweet | 19:43 |
| @rizen | thanks for bringing another company into the fold | 19:44 |
| snapcount_ | also want to do online support and buy the other books that don't come with it | 19:44 |
| snapcount_ | no need to thank me... your company makes a great product | 19:44 |
| snapcount_ | if I didn't know it would save us a shit ton of money I wouldn't do it | 19:44 |
| snapcount_ | but it will =) | 19:44 |
| @rizen | indeed | 19:45 |
| @rizen | but thanks anyway | 19:45 |
| snapcount_ | if this goes the way I expect | 19:46 |
| snapcount_ | we should have a presence at the WUC next year as well | 19:46 |
| snapcount_ | and hopefully some community involvement | 19:46 |
| snapcount_ | our Perl guys are pretty good | 19:46 |
| @rizen | that'd be super sweet | 19:47 |
| @rizen | we're always looking for more community involvement | 19:47 |
| @rizen | so how many people in all will be at these trainings/ | 19:48 |
| snapcount_ | hmm | 19:49 |
| snapcount_ | I'm thinking it will be like 13 or 14 | 19:49 |
| @rizen | wow | 19:50 |
| snapcount_ | I want everyone in on the first day | 19:50 |
| snapcount_ | but the development stuff will be like 7 I think | 19:50 |
| snapcount_ | is that too many? | 19:50 |
| @rizen | that's a lot of developers too...usually when we do on site training for devs it's 2 or 3 at a time | 19:50 |
| @rizen | not necessarily | 19:51 |
| @rizen | just know that the more people are there the slower it will go | 19:51 |
| snapcount_ | sure | 19:51 |
| @rizen | because you have to stop and help people | 19:51 |
| @rizen | i did a class at YAPC this year on webgui programming that had 20 peeps in it | 19:52 |
| @rizen | it didn't go very well for some stupid technical reasons that shouldn't have happened | 19:52 |
| @rizen | but once we got over that then the actual code training part went pretty well | 19:52 |
| snapcount_ | cool | 19:53 |
| snapcount_ | will you be the one coming down or will you dispatch a minion? | 19:53 |
| @rizen | depends on what the schedule looks like | 19:54 |
| @rizen | i'm trying to send out more minions these days | 19:54 |
| @rizen | but if they are all busy with client projects | 19:54 |
| @rizen | then i'll be the one | 19:54 |
| snapcount_ | you know what would be really sweet | 19:54 |
| @rizen | what? | 19:55 |
| snapcount_ | is if I could have you here for the next orlando mongers meeting | 19:55 |
| snapcount_ | maybe you could do a presentation? | 19:55 |
| snapcount_ | it's the second tuesday of every month | 19:55 |
| @rizen | if the dates of training correlate | 19:55 |
| @rizen | then sure | 19:55 |
| @rizen | but flying down just for that | 19:55 |
| @rizen | seems like a big expense | 19:55 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:55 |
| snapcount_ | yeah that's what I meant | 19:56 |
| snapcount_ | make them overlap | 19:56 |
| @rizen | how is that going btw? | 19:56 |
| snapcount_ | that's like 3 weeks but I might want to get this going sooner | 19:56 |
| snapcount_ | very well | 19:56 |
| @rizen | did any of my advice for starting a group help you out? | 19:56 |
| snapcount_ | yeah it has | 19:56 |
| snapcount_ | we have a core group that always come | 19:57 |
| snapcount_ | then new people every once in a while | 19:57 |
| snapcount_ | that are less consistent | 19:57 |
| @rizen | sounds like madmongers | 19:57 |
| @rizen | there are about 6 of us that are always there | 19:57 |
| @rizen | and then another 10 or so that come and go | 19:57 |
| @rizen | plus the new peeps | 19:57 |
| snapcount_ | we're about that size | 19:58 |
| snapcount_ | maybe a little smaller | 19:58 |
| @rizen | you're also newer | 19:58 |
| @rizen | in time you should grow to be bigger than us | 19:58 |
| snapcount_ | true true | 19:58 |
| @rizen | cuz orlando is quite a bit bigger than madison | 19:58 |
| snapcount_ | we are talking with Larry Wall to keynote Perl Oasis | 19:58 |
| @rizen | nice | 19:59 |
| snapcount_ | yeah.. very surprised when he responded to my e-mail | 19:59 |
| snapcount_ | didn't think he would even reply | 19:59 |
| snapcount_ | but something like that would be great for our group | 19:59 |
| snapcount_ | TPF gave us blessing so we are working under their guise | 20:00 |
| snapcount_ | so hopefully we'll raise some money | 20:00 |
| snapcount_ | for them | 20:00 |
| snapcount_ | eh | 20:02 |
| snapcount_ | Keri is yelling at me to come help her with something | 20:02 |
| snapcount_ | ttyl =D | 20:02 |
| @rizen | later | 20:03 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7667 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: Updated to reflect changes in Crud api | 20:48 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7668 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: can instanciate with an object that has a session method as well as a session object | 21:21 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7669 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: fix a typo in the Asset.pm i18n file that I made, twice | 00:30 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7670 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added constraint based searches to getAll() methods | 01:58 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7671 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: added more tests for the updated api | 01:58 |
| @preaction | rizen: i just have to mention that the constraints system you added looks like the most elegant solution to the problem of building SQL from a perl datastructure i've seen yet | 02:03 |
| @preaction | that being said: should those individual key-value pairs be encased in parens? so ( column = value ) AND ( column = value or column = value ) instead of ( column = value AND column = value OR column = value )? | 02:04 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7672 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 02:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: fixed problem with showing other assets' edit forms | 02:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: fixed utility skeleton to be more complete and less annoying | 02:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: added warning message when editing default templates | 02:27 |
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| elnino | hello - I need to squash a bad request in the logs: main::[[undef]] - The URL /linkoutside.gif/" was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. - but I don't know how to find it. Any secrets? is there a way to modify the logger to tell me the url on which this asset was requetsd? | 06:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | you could create a redirect for that url to send it to your home page | 06:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | or you could use the mod_proxy rules to get it to ignore it if it comes in | 06:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | otherwise, I'd say check the apache logs for the same time as that error message | 06:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | might give you a clue who is asking for it and where it's coming from | 06:38 |
| elnino | Radix-wrk - oh. didn't think about the apache, logs, but would it be listed? because this is on some page layout, the individual calls to assets in all the little articles on a pagelayout wouldn't necessarily be logged in appache, would they? | 06:43 |
| elnino | I would think that this would be some internal webgui thing... but that's a good idea. I've been so reliant on webgui I forgot about apache logs. =) | 06:44 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:12 |
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| patspam | sweet, xbmc is being released cross-platform | 16:30 |
| ckotil | neat | 16:35 |
| ckotil | xbmc for pc needs dvr | 16:37 |
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| @rizen | hello all | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | howdy! | 16:47 |
| @rizen | wow xbmc looks way cooler than mythtv | 16:49 |
| @rizen | or have i misunderstood, it doesn't seem to have dvr capabilities | 16:52 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | howdy howdy | 16:56 |
| patspam | rizen: looking forward to checking out wg::CRUD as soon as i get a chance | 17:10 |
| @rizen | yeah sure you are | 17:11 |
| @rizen | you hate me, and everything i do | 17:11 |
| @rizen | so i know you'll just rip me to shreds | 17:11 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:11 |
| patspam | i do try :) | 17:11 |
| patspam | i wear my "che-T" tshirt with pride you know | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | during the project I'm working on right now I've thought I should create something like crud, but then you did it already =) | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | what forces it to be single table only btw? | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | the definitions have a tableName field | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I guess you could use that | 17:15 |
| @rizen | nice patspam...there are a few people around here wearing them with pride as well | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | I still have to wash my che-t shirt | 17:16 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease, the definitions in WebGUI::Crud don't roll up like asset definitions | 17:16 |
| patspam | heh I bet. we should have a "sightings" gallery | 17:17 |
| @rizen | that's what forces them to be a single table | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh i see | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | there not array refs | 17:18 |
| @rizen | you are correct sir | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | they're* | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | well having that would be a pretty cool feature | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | /MrPhoneGrease | 17:19 |
| @rizen | cool but unnecessarily complicated | 17:19 |
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| @rizen | methinks | 17:19 |
| @rizen | the disadvantage to the way it works now is that you cant easily subclass and share the same table as your subclass...but i think that's also a strength...because you can safely subclass *without* sharing the table with the subclass | 17:20 |
| @rizen | poll: Should WebGUI::Crud automatically track which webgui user is logged in at the time that a record is created / updated | 17:22 |
| @rizen | so instead of just dateCreated you also have a createdBy field | 17:23 |
| @rizen | and in addition to lastUpdated you have lastUpdatedBy | 17:23 |
| @rizen | or is that storing too much unnecessary stuff | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok back | 17:27 |
| @preaction | rizen: unnecessary | 17:27 |
| @rizen | btw preaction, thanks for the compliment re:constraints | 17:28 |
| @rizen | i was pretty proud of that when i came up with it yesterday | 17:28 |
| @rizen | and to answer your question, it wrappers each constraint in a set of parens that way you can do or based constraints | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah it works on one table since it rolls all the props into a json string right? | 17:29 |
| @rizen | you don't want to wrapper each part of the constraint in parens but rather let the developer do that | 17:29 |
| @preaction | yeah, most things i've seen are like SQL::Statement or some big object like [ { column => [ '=', 'value' ] }, 'OR', [ { column => 'value', column => [ '!=', value ] }, "AND", { column => 'value' } ] ] | 17:30 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: no, it can dynamically generate tables for you...so if you subclass, you inherit all the old properties, and then just give it a new table name | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's the re:contraints? | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | was that on the devlist | 17:30 |
| @rizen | regarding constraints | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 17:31 |
| @rizen | constraints are a new feature i added to WebGUI::Crud yesterday | 17:31 |
| @rizen | in the getAll methods | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | I only skimmed the code | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I need to find some time to check it out more thoroughly | 17:31 |
| @rizen | preaction: i decided that one of the guiding principles of WebGUI has always been that we're not afraid of SQL, so that's why i decided not to do so much encapsulation | 17:32 |
| @rizen | which i think just makes the API more complex and ultimately weaker due to its complexity | 17:32 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: why is tracking who the current user is on updates in crud not needed? | 17:35 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: because it's not even necessarily valid, and it's an easy addition to the "update" method | 17:36 |
| @preaction | valid meaning it might be completely useless in the context of the Crud | 17:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | subclass the method as needed? | 17:36 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Crud is more a framework, yes | 17:36 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | but I see your point it might prove a waste more often than it was useful. | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | does crud mean something btw? | 17:37 |
| @preaction | Create, Retrieve, Update, Delete | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | aha | 17:37 |
| @preaction | it's an acronym for the common database functions | 17:37 |
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| patspam | goodnight all | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 17:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | g'night | 17:43 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, re: default templates - are you going to add something to mark upgrade packages as default? | 17:49 |
| @preaction | Haarg: yeah, forgot to add it to the skeleton. i'll do that now. | 17:50 |
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| juan1 | i have an article locked by admin | 18:30 |
| juan1 | how can delete it? | 18:30 |
| juan1 | directly in the database? | 18:30 |
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| dionak | can you become admin? | 18:50 |
| dionak | it's better to not directly delete from the database | 18:51 |
| juan1 | if i try to delete using the admin user, it is not deleted | 19:01 |
| dionak | anything in the webgui log? | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | juan1: either you are not in the version tag the asset is in | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | or the asset commit process is pending | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the first case go into the correct version tag and try again | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the second case, spectre is prolly not running | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | or hanging somehow | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | in that case, stop spectre and then run it manually in debug mode | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | it'll tell you what it's doming | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | doing* | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | you run it in debug mode like this | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin | 19:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | perl spectre.pl --run --debug | 19:04 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7673 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl: removed debug message from upgrade script | 19:11 |
| juan1 | i ran the spectre in debug mode, i am noticed something strange becuase all the instaced are executed but are not eliminated | 19:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | that could either be because ther is something wrong with your instances | 19:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | or | 19:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe those instances are waiting | 19:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | the debug mode should tell you | 19:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | also if you set your log level to INFO, a lot of information is dumped to the log file | 19:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | also test whether spectre can connect | 19:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | to do that | 19:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | first start spectre as a daemon | 19:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | then run perl spectre --test from sbin | 19:23 |
| juan1 | ok | 19:30 |
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| juan1 | i have another problem | 19:40 |
| juan1 | when a user is logged in, suddenly is log out from the system | 19:41 |
| juan1 | the users is navigating the site and sometimes appear logout | 19:42 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7673 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl: removed debug message from upgrade script | 19:51 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7674 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton: adding default template to skeleton | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the macro.t test is segfaulting on the Infinite macro test | 19:59 |
| juan1 | i have another problem | 20:07 |
| juan1 | when a user is logged in, suddenly is log out from the system | 20:08 |
| juan1 | the users is navigating the site and sometimes appear logout | 20:08 |
| juan1 | i don't know what is happening | 20:08 |
| @khenn | anyone know what the opposite of the interesection of a set is called? | 20:13 |
| @khenn | any math geeks out there ? =) | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | difference | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | difference probably isn't correct | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | you should ask diakopter | 20:19 |
| @khenn | yeah that's not it | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Well, according to perlfaq4, it's the symmetric difference. All numbers in A or B, but not in both. | 20:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Well, according to perlfaq4, it's the symmetric difference. All numbers in A or B, but not in both. | 20:21 |
| @khenn | hmm | 20:25 |
| @khenn | I guess that's not what I'm lookiing for | 20:25 |
| @khenn | I'm looking for all the numbers in B that are not in A | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think there's a simple definition for that. | 20:26 |
| @khenn | yeah | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's make one :) | 20:26 |
| @preaction | you want to reduce B by the intersection of B and A | 20:27 |
| @khenn | yes | 20:27 |
| @preaction | also, why do you need to know what it's called? if it's not in List::Util or List::MoreUtils, there's probably not a pre-made algorithm for it | 20:27 |
| @khenn | but somehow the method reductionOfGroupByInersectionOfTheseTwoGroups() | 20:28 |
| @khenn | doesn't seem to make sense | 20:28 |
| @preaction | removeItems( from, toRemove ) | 20:30 |
| @khenn | I'm creating a method that will accept two groups (A and B) | 20:31 |
| @khenn | A and B that is | 20:31 |
| @khenn | and add all the users in B that are not in A | 20:31 |
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| @khenn | and I need a decent method name for that | 20:32 |
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| carogray | anyone up for answering some ?s about rss feed coming from collarobation system? | 20:34 |
| @tavisto | okay.. perlmonkey2 has wiki fame | 20:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7675 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: fix POD spacing issues with Crud | 20:45 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: chrisn * r7676 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:45 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: add the epochDate field to the CS RSS template. now users can use ^D(); to | 20:45 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: create a custom date format. | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you are the Master of Marketing | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | You're marketing WebGUI's marketing abilities | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | http://use.perl.org/~markjugg/journal/37509 | 20:57 |
| @tavisto | no, but I am trying to get WebGUI into the hands of the CIO for Greenpeace International. | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 20:57 |
| @apeiron | M::S is yummydelish and backed by fast fast XS. :D | 21:02 |
| @apeiron | (well, it uses Devel::Declare internally, and that's XS) | 21:02 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, the macro test is segfaulting for you? | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and both sets of smoke tests | 21:17 |
| @preaction | you segfaulted my boxen?! | 21:17 |
| @Haarg | can you try setting the max levels of recursion lower? | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | will do, in a little while | 21:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I set it to 8 and it passed | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | # Looks like you planned 33 tests but only ran 32. | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | # Looks like you failed 7 tests of 32 run. | 21:30 |
| @Haarg | hrm. everything passes here. | 21:34 |
| @Haarg | can you pastebin the output of prove -v t/Macro.t? | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, the test failures were due to my config file getting nuked during the segfault | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Now I get: # Looks like you planned 33 tests but only ran 32. | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Macro.t passes with 16 and 32 levels of recursion | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that could be an available memory issue with this machine | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | after a db reset, I can't get it to segfault anymore | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | All I get is the mismatch number of tests | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | no mismatch here | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | argh | 21:44 |
| sandraqu | hello | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I must need a break | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I commented out the infinite macro test | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to put this down for a while and go run | 21:45 |
| sandraqu | any willing WebGUI guru volunteer? | 21:46 |
| sandraqu | don't everybody jump at once | 21:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | sandraqu: if you don't post your question you can be sure nobody will jump =) | 21:48 |
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| * apeiron jumps | 21:49 | |
| sandraqu | Question ... | 21:50 |
| @apeiron | (don't mind me, I'm just playing devil's advocate) | 21:50 |
| sandraqu | Put up a CS system and adding .rss to CS url gives error | 21:50 |
| sandraqu | as if, no page found. | 21:50 |
| sandraqu | Rss is enabled in CS properties, and Default Rss template selected | 21:50 |
| sandraqu | where else may i look to solve my problema? | 21:51 |
| @preaction | sandraqu: make sure there's an RSS From Parent asset inside your collab system | 21:52 |
| @preaction | i think there was a known bug about that a while back | 21:52 |
| @preaction | what version are you running? | 21:52 |
| sandraqu | 7.5.22 | 21:53 |
| sandraqu | i'll look into RSS From Parent | 21:54 |
| sandraqu | brilliant! | 21:57 |
| sandraqu | preaction - thank you. i was adding the .rss to the 'incorrect' url | 21:57 |
| sandraqu | my error was that i was adding .rss to the URL of the CS thread listing, rather than to the RSS from Parent asset's URL | 21:58 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7677 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add the new CS epochDate template variable to the help system | 21:59 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Thanks... | 22:00 |
| * apeiron blushes | 22:00 | |
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| +perlDreamer | apeiron, we all watch one another's backs | 23:07 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Thanks again. :) | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/SSzOaKaUcL0/article.pl | 23:08 |
| @apeiron | Good idea gone wrong, it seems. | 23:22 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7678 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 23:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: seems like password recovery might be the only thing relevant to WG. | 23:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Other than that, anything that gets more people using encryption can't be all bad. | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I took a step back, got my stuff together and started rerunning the macro test. | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | for me, it fails between 16 and 32 levels of recursion | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | where fail = Segmentation fault | 01:52 |
| @preaction | it shouldn't even be possible to segfault... | 01:53 |
| @preaction | you said the smoke box did it too? | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | there are failures on Macro.t on both smoke tests, but I don't know if they're the same or not. | 01:54 |
| @preaction | yeah, looks like it might've segfaulted, it says it only ran 14 tests, so if test 15 is that one... | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it is | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I've always respected Haarg, but knowing that he can segfault perl on command brings my respect to entirely new levels. | 01:59 |
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| carogray | Hi - is there a way for a thread in the collaboration system use a different 'style template' than the collaboration system itself? | 02:24 |
| carogray | collaboration system style template has navigation in left column, would like thread to be content all alone without left column, left column is in style template | 02:25 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone know what type of coffee maker rizen has? | 04:01 |
| @preaction | one of those one-cup things | 04:19 |
| @preaction | oh... you want to buy one | 04:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, trying to remember the brand and perhaps the model. | 04:21 |
| @preaction | let me poke around, i'll know it if i see it | 04:22 |
| @preaction | Keurig looks like the brand | 04:24 |
| @preaction | looks like it's the Keurig Special Edition, but that's $150... i don't see JT spending that on a coffee maker | 04:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nice | 04:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but that is quite steep for a coffee maker | 04:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But that is certainly it | 04:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | only $150? | 04:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | guy I used to work with picked up one for home use that was on special and was $1400 | 04:34 |
| @preaction | uh... wat? | 04:34 |
| @preaction | was it Keurig? or was it one of the commercial ones? | 04:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | no idea which one it was.. but had an electric grinder and everything | 04:35 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | looks like it is about a buck per coffee shot too. | 04:36 |
| @preaction | yeah, it's not a cheap system | 04:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But per shot convenience is hard to beat. | 04:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Plus you can wow guests :P | 04:38 |
| nuba | obviously it does that to a great effect | 04:38 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: frank * r7679 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/form.js: added getFormValue method which accepts an HTML element or id and returns the value of the field regardless of it's type | 12:18 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: frank * r7680 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added isAdHocMailGroup flag which can be used to build temporary groups of users to send notifications to. Once the users have been added to the mail queue in WebGUI::Mail::send, the group is deleted. | 12:18 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r7681 /translations/Spanish/ (notes.txt Spanish/Shop.pm): Update from translation server | 12:18 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r7682 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (5 files): Update from translation server | 12:56 |
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| carogray | When anyone gets up, I am getting an error "invalid user name" when I try to add more than one email address in the "to" field of my email a friend form. http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7c784519 to see templated to and cc fields | 13:38 |
| carogray | to see error: http://www.masslegalhelp.org/tell-a-friend-form | 13:42 |
| BartJol | carogray: I don't think the form splits the input, so multiple adresses give an error. | 13:56 |
| BartJol | but therefore I would have to look at the code and unfortunately I don'y have that much time right now | 13:57 |
| carogray | I asked Haarg about this a few days ago and he thought we could enter multiple email addresses...ok | 13:57 |
| carogray | don't worry I am around all day. I can wait for some of those midwesterners to get up. thanks | 13:58 |
| BartJol | Haarg knows more about it than me, but he can be mistaken, even he does not know all WebGUI code | 14:01 |
| ryuu_ro | carogray: I just checked the code and to me it looks like only one e-mail address is allowed | 14:04 |
| ryuu_ro | it checks if the e-mail address matches someone@somewhere | 14:05 |
| carogray | ryuu_ro: that's what I thought is there a way to allow more than one | 14:05 |
| ryuu_ro | well what you can do altough I don't recommend it is altering the emailCheck.js in the WebGUI extras dir | 14:06 |
| carogray | thinking... | 14:07 |
| ryuu_ro | or write your own form plugin? In that case you don't have to change the WebGUI code | 14:07 |
| ryuu_ro | that's the better solution I think | 14:07 |
| carogray | HA! | 14:07 |
| ryuu_ro | and it's quite easy to do | 14:07 |
| carogray | I am not a programmer by any stretch | 14:07 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, that's a bit of a problem then :) | 14:08 |
| carogray | yep....I mean being able to send the page to more than one person at a time is a nice feature, but not as critical I think as getting a copy of the page and message you sent to someone else sent to yourself as well | 14:09 |
| carogray | I have used up the cc field by attempting to use the FormParameter macro with the from field | 14:09 |
| carogray | I just need to ask them to turn this macro on for our server/website | 14:10 |
| carogray | thanks for your ideas ryuu_ro | 14:10 |
| ryuu_ro | no problemo, good luck with it! | 14:10 |
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| patspam | hola! | 16:04 |
| @khenn | morning | 16:04 |
| @khenn | who added the new stuff with Module::Find in preload.perl? | 16:05 |
| @khenn | I guess svn blame would have the answer for me | 16:05 |
| @khenn | graham | 16:09 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:21 |
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| @bopbop | do, I'm dropping my son off at school this morning, and you know how that is- cars, parent and kids everywhere | 17:09 |
| @bopbop | and my son wants to race down the sidewalk | 17:09 |
| @bopbop | so we start running | 17:09 |
| @bopbop | and the drawstring on my pants came undone | 17:09 |
| @bopbop | you can use your imagination from there | 17:09 |
| diakopter | tripped on your drawers and faceplanted; blood everywhere? | 17:11 |
| @bopbop | well, luckily not that bad- but they did fall to about my knees | 17:11 |
| @bopbop | I'm just not sure how one recovers some dignity after that | 17:11 |
| @bopbop | but your version would have been better :) | 17:11 |
| diakopter | depends on whether or not you were wearing underclothing, I suppose. and if so, whether or not it was superhero-themed printed. | 17:12 |
| @bopbop | lol | 17:13 |
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| dionak | we're running 7.5.20-stable and text::csv_xs 0.52. when i try to export tab delimited data from a data form, i'm getting an error, can't call method exportTab. Root cause: Usage: Text::CSV_XS::print(self, io, fields). has anyone else seen this or reported a bug? | 17:39 |
| dionak | didn't see anything from a search on webgui.org | 17:39 |
| @Haarg | there was two bugs with that i believe | 17:39 |
| @Haarg | which have both been fixed | 17:39 |
| dionak | ah, i see. r7392. is this in the latest stable? | 17:41 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 17:41 |
| dionak | thanks Haarg | 17:42 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody know if anyone has ever made any kind of API for WebGUI to allow development of external management tools? | 17:43 |
| @Haarg | what kind of management? | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | Well, I saw a FUSE module once upon a time for directly accessing assets. That would be very handy. Dunno, really. Just brainstorming on how to make working with WebGUI easier. | 17:44 |
| SDuensin | There's a few things it does that confuse me. I'm sure there's good design reasons for them. :-) | 17:45 |
| SDuensin | Like new macros and WObjects. It'd be nice to be able to just drop them in and have it discover them. You could even make them uploadable from the admin screens. Or get an RSS feed of available ones and just click to install. | 17:46 |
| SDuensin | I have plans for using a TON of WebGUI soon. It's got me thinking. :-) | 17:47 |
| @Haarg | doug is acutally working on an api based asset install system | 17:48 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: macros need the config file so it knows how to refer to them. the "c_companyName" macro is just called with ^c; | 17:48 |
| SDuensin | preaction - Yea, but why not package that knowledge and automate it? (I know, "why" is "time".) | 17:48 |
| @preaction | because the macro doesn't know how it should be called, the administrator of the box does | 17:49 |
| @Haarg | those would both be reasonable things to add to the wre, but as you say there is always the time factor | 17:49 |
| SDuensin | preaction - I understand that, but really, how many people change the default macro names? | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | Hopefully, if my evil plans work out, I'll have *gasp* time to *gasp* contribute to WebGUI. | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | (At last!) | 17:50 |
| @preaction | there could be a macro installer that could do the same as my asset installer | 17:50 |
| SDuensin | Yup. | 17:51 |
| SDuensin | Anyway, just brain dumping. WebGUI rocks. I want to use it for everything. | 17:54 |
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| carogray1 | hi - just making sure I am right in assuming that email form will not take more than one email address. ryuu_ro this morning was pretty sure it wouldn't. He said " it looks like only one e-mail address is allowed" | 18:10 |
| carogray1 | said I could alter the emailcheck.js in WebGUI extras dir, but recommended writing a plug in instead | 18:11 |
| carogray1 | of course I can't write plugin | 18:12 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: i won't allow anyone to upload code to the server and execute it through webgui | 18:12 |
| @rizen | that's just plain dangerous | 18:12 |
| @rizen | so the web interface idea is out | 18:12 |
| @rizen | not saying we couldn't make it easier for admins through some sort of tool | 18:13 |
| @rizen | but that's for the server admins, not the site admins | 18:13 |
| carogray1 | so shall I just accept the one email address limit in the mail a friend form? or might there be some other solution | 18:13 |
| carogray1 | I'll wait til someone has a sec | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | one option is to change it to a normal text field | 18:13 |
| @rizen | carogray1: i recommend creating a distribution list instead of adding the multiple email addresses to the form | 18:14 |
| carogray1 | Haarg: you talking to me? | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:14 |
| carogray1 | distribution list wouldn't work - this is for people looking at our site who want to share legal information with someone else i.e. BBC.co. uk tell a friend, NYT share this article etc. | 18:15 |
| @rizen | oh i see | 18:15 |
| carogray1 | If I were to do a text field...good lord, how on earth would I make it email and do all it's magic? | 18:15 |
| carogray1 | its magic sorry, I hate ' in the wrong places | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | the fact that it is an email field doesn't actually change how it works | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | if it was a text field it would get used to send email just the same | 18:17 |
| @preaction | just the name of the field is important | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:17 |
| carogray1 | aah... Ok I am going to try it!! | 18:17 |
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| SDuensin | rizen - Yea, I know it's dangerous. It wouldn't be available to people in the "Stupid" group. | 18:20 |
| @rizen | wall, allowing it puts you and me in the stupid group | 18:20 |
| @rizen | s/wall/well/ | 18:20 |
| SDuensin | No, because you and I would have the key to allow it. Minions below us don't get that right. | 18:20 |
| carogray1 | oops! | 18:21 |
| @rizen | the answer is no | 18:21 |
| carogray1 | disappeared from mail form all together! | 18:21 |
| SDuensin | You realize WebGUI is one of the few that don't allow that kind of thing? Just sayin'. | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | that may be a templating issue carogray1 | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | extending the wre console to handle that kind of thing would make more sense that putting it into webgui | 18:22 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: that is not a reason to do it | 18:22 |
| carogray1 | yep, checked it. It shows up in the defaul mailform template... | 18:22 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: in fact, the only ones i know that do it are written in PHP, and their intelligence is suspect for that reason alone | 18:23 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 18:23 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: besides, you're forgetting that WebGUI is a server wide system. uploading it on a single site puts the code into memory for all sites | 18:24 |
| SDuensin | I know that. It'd be a tool for the server dude. Not sub-minions. | 18:25 |
| sandraqu | any server gurus in the house? i have DNS questions | 18:26 |
| @preaction | perlbot ask | 18:27 |
| perlbot | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | 18:27 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: but you said it would be through the web interface. | 18:27 |
| sandraqu | :] right. I have a website fully hosted at... plainblack | 18:27 |
| BartJol | move to procolix :) | 18:27 |
| * rizen threatens to murder BartJol where he stands | 18:28 | |
| BartJol | mmm | 18:28 |
| SDuensin | rizen - Yea, right. We have a web interface, may as well use it. | 18:28 |
| BartJol | ok than not, but some healthy competition doesn't harm | 18:28 |
| sandraqu | i also have the very URL sitting like a good duckie at DH. I want to access and use subdomains like duckie.mydomain.org from DH. How can I do that if (a) the IP at DH is shared, (b) I have more than one subdomain | 18:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I hear Procolix doesn't even use US timezones, so how could they host a website properly :P | 18:28 |
| BartJol | yeah, but at night your site would be great | 18:29 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: and i just said I will never allow upload of code through the web interface. if you add it there, someone will abuse it, and then webgui sites all over will start getting hacked, and who are they going to blame? not the stupid admin that allowed his users to upload code, they'll blame webgui for being an insecure app | 18:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Did you ever track down your miscreant i18n tagger? | 18:29 |
| BartJol | nope | 18:29 |
| BartJol | can't get in your access logs | 18:30 |
| BartJol | so that will be hard | 18:30 |
| @preaction | sandraqu: you just point your subdomain to the DH IP address | 18:30 |
| @rizen | what is DH? | 18:30 |
| * SDuensin guesses "murder BartJol where he stands" answers his question about PlainBlack partnering with people. :-P | 18:30 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: I thought the data was sent to you first and then you uploaded it to WG? | 18:30 |
| SDuensin | rizen - "Can't fix stupid." :-P | 18:30 |
| sandraqu | DH - DreamHost | 18:30 |
| BartJol | too much trouble, I would be terrorized | 18:30 |
| sandraqu | preaction - we did, and oldduckie.mydomain.org is still showing | 18:31 |
| BartJol | perlmonkey2: no, it was jsut filled in in the web interface, and I pressed the commit to svn link | 18:31 |
| BartJol | didn't know it was changed | 18:31 |
| @preaction | sandraqu: what's the actual domain name? | 18:32 |
| sandraqu | i looked at the DNS info in DH and oldduckie has an IP ending in 37, and duckie ends in 122. right now we are pointing 37 to both oldduckie and duckie | 18:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh, maybe someone should grep the i18n for pr0n-ish sounding words. | 18:32 |
| sandraqu | mlri.org | 18:32 |
| sandraqu | oldduckie - drupal.mlri.org | 18:32 |
| sandraqu | duckie - wiki.mlri.org | 18:32 |
| BartJol | well, now I will check it before I will place a tarball on a site | 18:33 |
| BartJol | but that's only Dutch | 18:33 |
| @preaction | sandraqu: and when did you change the DNS? | 18:33 |
| BartJol | but, I have to go for dinner now | 18:33 |
| sandraqu | pre - Monday. it's been enough time | 18:34 |
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| @preaction | perlbot math 86400 / 60 / 60 / 24 | 18:34 |
| perlbot | 1 | 18:34 |
| sandraqu | oh comon | 18:34 |
| @preaction | sandraqu: i'd talk with onecommunications.net and ask them what's going on | 18:34 |
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| sandraqu | pre.. no.. it was last week sometime | 18:37 |
| sandraqu | like Friday | 18:37 |
| @rizen | sandraqu: this sounds like a question for dreamhost support | 18:41 |
| sandraqu | rizen - ah... i have asked. this is why i sought a DNS guru | 18:41 |
| sandraqu | hoping to find a quicker answer | 18:42 |
| @rizen | in that case, may i recommend the #DNS channel? | 18:42 |
| carogray1 | Haarg: this is what I have for my 'to' field http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7c784519. In the default template it's in the loop. so what is making it disappear when I change it to a text field? | 18:42 |
| sandraqu | rizen - yes | 18:42 |
| @rizen | not trying to get rid of you, i just don't think we know how to help you | 18:43 |
| sandraqu | hmm | 18:43 |
| sandraqu | i have to figure out how to land there | 18:43 |
| @rizen | type /join #DNS | 18:43 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7683 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added complex order by controls | 18:45 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7684 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: updated to match api | 18:45 |
| sandraqu | thanks... tho | 18:45 |
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| carogray1 | is Haarg stil there or preaction? | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:11 |
| @preaction | carogray1: just ask the channel your question | 19:11 |
| carogray1 | sorry I was waiting and may have gotten lost in the queue | 19:12 |
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| carogray1 | I changed the to field to a text fiend and it disappeared in mytemplate | 19:12 |
| carogray1 | it still shows up in thed efaul form template though. | 19:12 |
| carogray1 | My template for the to field is http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7c784519 | 19:13 |
| carogray1 | also I don't seem to have recieved the test emails I sent once I changed the to field to a text field and used the default emai form | 19:14 |
| @Haarg | what version are you using? | 19:15 |
| carogray1 | 7.5.22 | 19:15 |
| @Haarg | it may be best if you post this on the support boards | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | i think you hit a bug in the dataform code | 19:16 |
| carogray1 | also seems to be running v. slow, wonder if that's cause I have the form parameter macro | 19:16 |
| carogray1 | yep, I can post in support boards - you want it in plain black or webGUI? | 19:17 |
| carogray1 | and the thing I am posting is....email to field won't accept more than one email address, or it disappears when I put it in as a text field, or it doesn't mail when I chnage it to a text field? | 19:19 |
| @Haarg | plain black support | 19:19 |
| @Haarg | basically, when you set it to text, i think it renamed it | 19:20 |
| @Haarg | which is why it isn't sending/showing up | 19:20 |
| carogray1 | it does show up in WebGUI default mail form template | 19:20 |
| carogray1 | just not my template | 19:21 |
| carogray1 | oh but my template is looking for the specific name | 19:21 |
| carogray1 | right? | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | yep | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | so i can help you resolve the bug issue on the support boards | 19:21 |
| carogray1 | and default template doesn't send cause if it's renamed it doesn't recognize a 'to' field? | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:21 |
| carogray1 | ok doke. I will do my best and hope you will recognize my post. | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | i will :) | 19:22 |
| carogray1 | For now I am going back to my template and only entering one email address then I will post on plain black support board - by the way, do you know if you have enabled the Form Parameter macro for us and would that be slowing down our tell a friend form whether enabled or not? | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: Are you loving testing yet? | 19:24 |
| @rizen | pd, i will never love testing | 19:24 |
| @rizen | i love that it tells me when i break something | 19:24 |
| @rizen | but i don't love writing tests | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | How about just liking it really strongly? ;) | 19:24 |
| @rizen | i think i'll have to leave that love for you | 19:24 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:24 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7685 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 19:48 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: fixed: HttpProxy parser now handles self-closing tags correctly | 19:48 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: fixed: HttpProxy parser now only rewrites forms when also rewriting URLs | 19:48 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7686 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting 7685 | 19:48 |
| @preaction | anyone here familiar with WebGUI::HTML->cleanSegment and can tell me if changing it so that is also preserves <link> tags would be a bad idea? | 20:12 |
| @preaction | it has an option for "preserve style and script", but it neglects <link rel="stylesheet">, which is how most style is done | 20:13 |
| @rizen | that shouldn't hurt anything | 20:13 |
| @preaction | i mean, it seems to work, i just worry that it might cause problems if the linked stylesheet happens to override some of the site's stylesheets | 20:14 |
| @preaction | but then again, so would <style> | 20:14 |
| @Haarg | the only issue i can see is that <link> tags inside the page body are invalid, but we ignore that elsewhere | 20:15 |
| @preaction | so are <style> tags for that matter | 20:15 |
| @preaction | actually, link in the page body isn't invalid. but rel="stylesheet" might be | 20:17 |
| @preaction | nm, you're right | 20:18 |
| juan | i have the next error with my spectre | 20:28 |
| juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5724222c | 20:28 |
| juan | besides i am noticed that spectre is consuming a lot memory from my server | 20:29 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7687 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: WebGUI::HTML->cleanSegment now keeps <link> when preserving script and style | 20:50 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: doug * r7688 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): backporting 7687 | 20:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | which object has the best drag and drop interface? I want to see if I have time to replace mine. | 21:08 |
| @preaction | maybe Thingy? dunno | 21:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Everyone else agree Thingy is as good as it gets? | 21:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7689 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: fix bad regexp for workflowId in logged warning | 21:27 |
| dionak | if i import a package that contains urls that already exist, what happens? does the package import? or does it update existing assets? | 21:41 |
| dionak | from the debug output, it appears to do the later | 21:41 |
| @preaction | it doesn't go by URL, it goes by asset ID | 21:44 |
| @preaction | if the url already exists, it changes the url, as per fixUrl | 21:44 |
| dionak | it seems to be finding a match for the asset based on a json file. | 21:46 |
| dionak | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m64f46e48 | 21:46 |
| @preaction | dionak: see lines 7 and 10? those are getting the asset by assetId | 21:47 |
| dionak | yes, i do see that. i'm also looking at line 5 | 21:48 |
| dionak | the json represents an assetId | 21:48 |
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| dionak | we're serving multiple sites from one wg instance. we've created a structure for each site for the convenience of the client. theoretically, they could import this package and create a new site but it doesn't appear to work that way. | 21:49 |
| dionak | it looks like existing assets are getting updated | 21:49 |
| dionak | i see it has nothing to do with url but i'm not versed in the importPackage code | 21:50 |
| @preaction | dionak: the json doesn't represent an asset ID. the file name is a lineage, but it's not used | 21:50 |
| @preaction | you can't import the package to create a new site, you could deploy the package to create a new site though | 21:50 |
| @preaction | the func should be WebGUI::AssetPackage::www_deployPackage | 21:51 |
| dionak | so in order to deploy, it has to be a package. how would a user deploy the package? is there an interface? | 21:54 |
| dionak | looking at demo site.. | 21:54 |
| @preaction | a user without Turn Admin On? they wouldn't | 21:57 |
| @preaction | otherwise in the Admin accordian, clicking on the package name in the Packages tab deploys it | 21:58 |
| dionak | it doesn't even turn up in the Packages tab. that was what brought this to my attention. | 21:59 |
| dionak | here's an example. export an existing page layout as a package and download it. then try to upload the package. it doesn't turn up in the Packages tab. | 22:00 |
| @preaction | uh... why would it? it's already there, no? | 22:02 |
| dionak | i guess technically, it is, but it was just unexpected behavior. now that we can copy descendants, i think i can go another route but the original idea was to be able to package a site as a 'prototype'. | 22:03 |
| dionak | also, with no message, it looked like it wasn't working | 22:04 |
| dionak | i'll submit an rfe for a message | 22:04 |
| dionak | looks like you can't copy descendants of a folder...hm | 22:05 |
| juan1 | i have an error with spectre | 22:29 |
| juan1 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5724222c | 22:29 |
| juan1 | besides i am noticed that spectre is consuming a lot memory from my server | 22:29 |
| juan1 | if i shutdown spectre memory is lower again | 22:29 |
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| Bernd | perlDreamer: Hey Colin, I just followed your advice generating JSON in templates for testing. | 23:09 |
| Bernd | Works like a charm! | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | cool :) | 23:09 |
| Bernd | However, I am still stuck with querying pages such that the user I pretend to be is adder to the userSession table. | 23:10 |
| Bernd | Any idea how to do that? | 23:10 |
| Bernd | I mean during testing? | 23:10 |
| Bernd | I found WebGUI::Test->getPage(). | 23:11 |
| Bernd | But it does not seem to be what I am looking for. | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, what did you end up finding out about the macro recursion issue? | 23:12 |
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| @Haarg | i'm going to try to adjust the test to fail more gracefully i think | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the magic number is between 16 and 32 on my box | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | i would be ok with limiting it at 16 | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | what are your specs? | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | P3 500 MHz | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 512 MBytes | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | FC6 | 23:16 |
| Bernd | OK, maybe someone else can help me with that. | 23:16 |
| Bernd | How can I query an arbitrary webgui page from within a testing function. | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | getPage is the way to do that | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | to do it as another user, don't you set the user in the session object? | 23:17 |
| Bernd | Yes, I do. | 23:17 |
| Bernd | But I don't understand how to use getPage. | 23:17 |
| Bernd | There is only one example in .... I forgot. | 23:18 |
| Bernd | Let me check again. | 23:18 |
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| Bernd | It was Adspace.t | 23:19 |
| @preaction | getPage is used elsewhere too | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see getPage being used in AdSpace.t | 23:19 |
| @preaction | it also has documentation | 23:19 |
| @preaction | Operation/AdSpace.t probably | 23:19 |
| Bernd | I have pasted it to pastebin | 23:20 |
| Bernd | It is there in 7.4 | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd, that's Operation/AdSpace.t, yes? | 23:20 |
| Bernd | Right! | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I was looking in t/AdSpace.t, not t/Operation/AdSpace.t | 23:20 |
| Bernd | I assume, I have to create an asset and then call getPage to query that asset. Correct? | 23:21 |
| @preaction | Bernd: yes | 23:21 |
| Bernd | Will that cause the user I pretend to be to be listed in the userSession table? | 23:21 |
| Bernd | If not, it is not going to work. | 23:21 |
| @preaction | Bernd: yes | 23:22 |
| Bernd | Good! | 23:22 |
| @preaction | it's exactly like a normal request, minus HTTP headers | 23:22 |
| @preaction | t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/view.t | 23:22 |
| @preaction | t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/comment.t | 23:22 |
| @preaction | those are two other places that getPage is used | 23:22 |
| Bernd | One last question: Which asset would you recommend for testing. And which www method should I call? | 23:22 |
| @preaction | are you testing a macro? | 23:23 |
| Bernd | Thanks, preaction! | 23:23 |
| Bernd | Yes. | 23:23 |
| @preaction | then don't use getPage at all | 23:23 |
| Bernd | :-( | 23:23 |
| @preaction | open a new session with the right user and use WebGUI::Macro::process (i think) | 23:23 |
| Bernd | Ok, let us start from the beginning. | 23:23 |
| Bernd | Why not use getPage? | 23:24 |
| Bernd | I am not using getPage to obtain the macro output. | 23:24 |
| @preaction | because getPage is for testing WebGUI's HTML methods | 23:24 |
| Bernd | I just want users to be included in the userSession table. | 23:24 |
| Bernd | Maybe I should add that I want to test the UsersOnline macro. | 23:24 |
| Bernd | It is for displaying active users. | 23:25 |
| Bernd | Therefore I am trying to generate active users. | 23:25 |
| Bernd | Will it work? | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | You have to know how to get them entries in the userSession table | 23:25 |
| Bernd | Great! Thank you both. | 23:25 |
| Bernd | perlDreamer, what do you mean? | 23:26 |
| Bernd | Or was that just confirmative? | 23:26 |
| @preaction | Bernd: if you open a new session with the user's userId, it will add an entry to userSession for them | 23:26 |
| @preaction | see lib/WebGUI/Session/Var.pm | 23:26 |
| Bernd | OK, that sounds even easier. | 23:27 |
| Bernd | I am going to have a look at it. | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd, create several sessions, one for each user. After the session is created, set the session to use that user's Id. | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that will do the job | 23:28 |
| Bernd | Ok, back to work... | 23:28 |
| Bernd | I will let you know how far I got. | 23:28 |
| juan1 | preaction, can you help me with a spectre error? | 23:53 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends. I have an issue where a page is hogging 2 urls. Had a page named config.xml and renamed it to sitemap.xml and now it answers to both... If you try and create config.xml now it is named config2.xml. Cleared the cache and restarted apache.... any ideas? | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | doc777: use the Change URL function, or delete the old revisions of that asst | 00:02 |
| doc777 | Ah! Thank you preaction. | 00:03 |
| juan1 | i have the next error in the spectre | 00:03 |
| juan1 | ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[983] - CRON: Response for job www.colegiosvirtuales.com.conf-MZ7FLvsbrSXZgqfMo0VGzQ had a communications error. <HTML> | 00:04 |
| juan1 | and the next value MZ7FLvsbrSXZgqfMo0VGzQ is an entry the workflowschedule table | 00:05 |
| juan1 | what can i do? | 00:10 |
| Bernd | perlDreamer, preaction: It works, it works, it works! | 00:14 |
| Bernd | I am so excited. | 00:14 |
| Bernd | Check the code in the pastebin if you like. | 00:14 |
| Bernd | I did it exactly the way you described. | 00:14 |
| Bernd | Perl is such a great language. | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd, which pastebin are you using? | 00:21 |
| Bernd | This one: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d567e2d7e | 00:21 |
| Bernd | Not there? | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | It's there | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | i see a setupUser subroutine | 00:22 |
| Bernd | Exactly. | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you should not need to create a Session::Var yourself | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | opening the session should do that | 00:22 |
| Bernd | There the user is created, fields are set and then user session is created. | 00:22 |
| Bernd | That means I can drop line 13? | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:23 |
| Bernd | Even better. | 00:23 |
| Bernd | But enough for today. | 00:23 |
| Bernd | We are approaching midnight already. | 00:23 |
| Bernd | Good night! | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | You are in Europe? | 00:23 |
| Bernd | Yes, Germany. | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Serh gutt | 00:23 |
| Bernd | Almost ;-) | 00:24 |
| @preaction | juan1: private message without asking is extremely rude. no, i can not help you. there are support options offered by Plain Black or other companies if your problem is urgent and you cannot fix it. | 00:24 |
| Bernd | Gute Nacht. | 00:24 |
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| juan1 | preaction, i have asked several times here about my problem | 00:30 |
| @preaction | juan1: that doesn't mean we're obliged to answer, nor that you can target me specifically. there are etiquette guidelines to IRC help channels, and one of them is don't private message or address someone without permission | 00:31 |
| juan1 | ok | 00:33 |
| juan1 | i am sorry | 00:33 |
| juan1 | i did not know that guidelines | 00:34 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7690 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: improve documentation of lineage iterator | 00:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7691 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm: include full link tag in cleanSegment | 00:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I owe you an apology, too | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I should have mentioned it when he asked for who else might help | 00:58 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: don't worry about it. been an IRC helpdesk for years, gently admonishment of etiquette violation is a way of life | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't understand why they don't buy a support contract and get some real help. | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Because they seem to need it. | 01:33 |
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| @Haarg | we really do need some better diagnostics in spectre | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | those fake 500 errors are really annoying | 01:37 |
| @preaction | yeah, the LWP errors are essentially useless | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | they're fake? | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | if it can't fine the server | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | it gives you a 500 error and generates some html for it too | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | *find | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | so they could be configuration problems | 01:39 |
| @preaction | or a bunch of other things, but what they are not is a 500 error | 01:40 |
| carogray | still on email a friend form... I think this is the last little detail now that I have settled on emailing only one friend at a time.... | 01:43 |
| carogray | can I put any code in this IRC or do I always have to use the WebGUI pastebin? | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | always use the pastebin | 01:43 |
| carogray | okey doke | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | until rizen gets here | 01:43 |
| @rizen | ssssh he's here | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | who? | 01:44 |
| @rizen | him | 01:45 |
| @rizen | the guy | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | _that_ guy? | 01:45 |
| @rizen | indeed | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you think he'd get the idea and just bug off | 01:45 |
| @rizen | i've decided webgui crud is crap | 01:45 |
| @rizen | and i'm scraping it | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but all your hours and hours | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | of test writing would be put to waste! | 01:46 |
| nuba | what? webgui is crude crap??? | 01:46 |
| @rizen | most of the hours are for test writing is crap anyway, cuz i did it, and i suck at it | 01:46 |
| @rizen | what do you guys think of building an interface class that all other classes must inherit from | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought that was Crud? | 01:47 |
| @rizen | no, that's only if it's backed by a db | 01:47 |
| @rizen | i mean something that works for everything | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | what would it provide? | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | What problem does it solve? | 01:47 |
| @rizen | it would provide nothing except an interface | 01:47 |
| @rizen | the interface would be the following methods: | 01:48 |
| @rizen | create, update, new, getId, get | 01:48 |
| @rizen | the problem it solves is that every object would have a standard signature (which is something asked for in PBP) | 01:49 |
| @rizen | and therefore would be easier for people to learn webgui objects, because all objects would work the same way | 01:49 |
| carogray | I used http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7ecb5b5c in my email a friend form before we upgraded to 7.5.22 and it worked, it made "go back" a link to the URL that went back to the page I was sending. Now it | 01:49 |
| carogray | Now it gives me: http://www.masslegalhelp.org/health-mental-health">go back | 01:49 |
| carogray | in the acknowledgement and email | 01:49 |
| carogray | is it because the value is an http that the template simply turns that into a link now> | 01:50 |
| carogray | ? | 01:50 |
| carogray | how can I surround the Go back with an a href tag so it simply says, "go back" and the go back is the link? | 01:51 |
| carogray | I think even if I used our newly enabled:) Form Parameter macro, I would still have the same problem? | 01:52 |
| @rizen | could you pastebin the template looks like now, and what the output looks like now rather than pasting it into IRC, i'm not sure i'm seeing everything | 01:52 |
| @rizen | also, you should post on the support boards if you want an official answer to this | 01:52 |
| @rizen | there were some changes to DataForm in 7.5, so it's possible what you're seeing is a bug | 01:53 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: do you get what i'm saying about a base class? | 01:53 |
| @rizen | and does it make sense to you? | 01:53 |
| @Haarg | it may be a due to a change in the form system instead | 01:53 |
| @rizen | also possible | 01:53 |
| @Haarg | similar to the email problem, chaning it to a text field will probably resolve the issue | 01:54 |
| @rizen | Haarg, are we even looking at the same thing? This appears to be a templating problem | 01:54 |
| carogray | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m45f3b88e | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | the value is <a href="linkhere">linkhere</a> | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | it used to just be linkhere | 01:55 |
| carogray | hah! Haarg. when I changed it to a text field it changed the name and completely disappeared all together, Then I had to get rid of the last two revisions | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | that issue won't apply to this field though | 01:56 |
| carogray | aha! | 01:56 |
| @Haarg | that's only a problem with email fields | 01:56 |
| @rizen | oh i see what you're saying | 01:56 |
| carogray | I get it. Did this change with the update | 01:56 |
| @rizen | because the form autolinks the link | 01:56 |
| @rizen | so that means dataform is outputing displayValue rather than valu | 01:57 |
| @rizen | value | 01:57 |
| @Haarg | yes | 01:57 |
| @rizen | i get it | 01:57 |
| carogray | oh, but the value of the field is the ^env thing | 01:57 |
| carogray | can I simply change the field to a text field and still use that env macro thing? | 01:57 |
| @Haarg | yes | 01:57 |
| carogray | ok here goes. I am trusting you here | 01:57 |
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| carogray | YAY YAY YAY hip hip hooray please pass on my thanks to Haarg tomorrow. Now I am singing and dancing and all the animals are now allowed to eat - finally.! | 02:09 |
| carogray | Tonight I will finish my Wiki contribution thank you all! | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen, it does make sense | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | everybody gets new, create, get, set and so on | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I still like Crud, by the way, for the same reasons | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | consistent interface | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | In fact, I think it's better since most of our classes do db access | 02:22 |
| @rizen | i was kidding about getting rid of crud | 02:24 |
| @rizen | this thing would be called WebGUI::Base and Crud would subclass it | 02:24 |
| @rizen | so theoretically everything would isa WebGUI::Base | 02:25 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Crud is already the base for Automat, so I couldn't get rid of it now. =) | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | no isas | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | use base WebGUI::Base | 02:42 |
| @rizen | huh? | 02:51 |
| @rizen | you you mean don't push it on to @ISA | 02:52 |
| @rizen | and of cours not | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 02:52 |
| @rizen | i'm just talking object speak not perlspeak | 02:52 |
| @rizen | as far as i'm concerned @ISA shouldn't be directly accessible | 02:52 |
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| @preaction_ | damn, i should've been here... Crud is awesome | 03:24 |
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| @preaction_ | maybe he just isn't seeing the same picture i'm seeing | 03:25 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | You can not stop teh JSON | 04:36 |
| @preaction_ | i MUST | 04:48 |
| @preaction_ | for the JSON is practicing the dark magic of DENORMALIZATION | 04:48 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7692 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/ (10 files in 6 dirs): | 10:24 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Hah, it ah, doesnt throw errors upon modperl start and ah, the editor, ah, kind | 10:24 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: of works, and err. ah, the JSON is 99% working, with objects instantiating | 10:24 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: themselves correctly then serializing themselves as appropriate. Definitely not | 10:24 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: a working version though. | 10:24 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r7693 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.t): RFE - Teach Thingy to be a Web Service (http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/teach-thingy-to-be-a-web-service) [Yung] | 10:24 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7694 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Matrix.pm Inbox_Message.pm): Update from translation server | 13:00 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7695 /translations/German/German/Asset_Matrix.pm: Update from translation server | 13:00 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7696 /translations/German/German/ (WebGUI.pm VersionTag.pm): Update from translation server | 13:00 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7697 /translations/German/German/Asset_Article.pm: Update from translation server | 13:00 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7698 /translations/German/German/Asset_Matrix.pm: Update from translation server | 13:32 |
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| patspam | cmsmatrix.org got a mention on ajaxian a few days ago | 17:18 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: that's pretty cool. What did they say? | 17:21 |
| patspam | in Michael Mahemoff's transcript of the Panel at @media ajax 2008 | 17:22 |
| patspam | http://ajaxian.com/archives/media-ajax-panel | 17:22 |
| patspam | it was just a small remark, that there should be a cmsmatrix for javascript libraries | 17:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I guess that says something about market penetration :D | 17:27 |
| ckotil | weeee! Red Hat fixed their perl slowness bug | 17:27 |
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| SDuensin | They did!? Amazing! | 17:49 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone want to take a swing at a object copying issue? http://pastebin.com/deee5a6f | 18:06 |
| @preaction_ | perlmonkey2: are you just trying to make a deep copy of the object? | 18:21 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | yes, and drop the blessing so it can be encoded. Which was working until I started passing in the session errorHandler and then tried to remove it for the copying. | 18:22 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | (10:22:41 AM) perlmonkey2: yes, and drop the blessing so it can be encoded. Which was working until I started passing in the session errorHandler and then tried to remove it for the copying. | 18:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I just don't see how setting $temp{log} to undef could leave it still defined (and containing the logger) upon the return. | 18:23 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey2: should be "delete $temp{ log }" maybe? | 18:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Something fishy is happening preaction as I'm also outputing keys upon return and delete should have removed that entry. | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yet log is still a key | 18:26 |
| Lisette | i try do an utility that atach a video in a CS like a thread, but don't work, just creates me a new CS, how to do? | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: hmm, any changes I make to the copy are ignored. | 18:30 |
| @preaction | i dunno man, looks like evil | 18:31 |
| @preaction | are they Class::InsideOut objects? | 18:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nope, just plain old fashioned classes | 18:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | blessed hashes. | 18:32 |
| topsub | On my custom product when you add a variant i am trying to add the brochure upload here. in the www_editVariantSave do i need to set it as a file type for it to process? | 18:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | No modules used to create or manipulate them. | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | you have more of the code available somewhere? seems like there must be something else interfering. | 18:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | although freeze should only be called right before the call to WG is returned, so I could probably just unbless them. But I think it was you or Haarg who said that was a bad idea. | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | unblessing sounds much more evil to me | 18:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sure, I'll commit what I have (in the Survey branch) and wobjects Survey.pm for the first method and Survey/SurveyJSON.pm for the second method (freeze) | 18:34 |
| @preaction | yeah, Crud might be a good idea for what you're doing | 18:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm |-| close to being done with the data part of this. All I woudl have left if control and view stuff. | 18:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and the new JSON objects simplify the algorithms beyond belief. | 18:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've hacked away maybe a hundred lines of code already. | 18:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and what I have is so much more readable and simple. | 18:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if only I could serialize my objects :) | 18:36 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7699 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added join support | 18:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7700 /WebGUI/t/Crud.t: updated tests to reflect api changes | 18:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7701 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/SectionJSON.pm Survey.pm): Really dont use this copy | 18:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, #perl says that is only a shallow copy | 18:41 |
| topsub | when i add the file upload to the editVariants i upload a file but it doesn't seem to process. I have an assetId in the database but no way to link up the asset | 18:41 |
| topsub | i thought i would get a url path to the asset | 18:41 |
| topsub | trying to be able to upload PDFs to each variants | 18:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | actually something else is wrong as I'm no longer making a copy, but just unblessing $self and delete $self->{log} still leaves the returned has with a log key (and nothing from the freeze method changes the hash) | 18:46 |
| Lisette | how to do a commit in an utility? | 19:00 |
| Lisette | i try whit my $versionTag = WebGUI::VersionTag->getWorking($session); $versionTag->commit | 19:01 |
| Lisette | but i have enter to website and commit manually | 19:02 |
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| * perlmonkey2 needs to be severely beaten. The problem wasn't in saveSurveyJSON, but in loadSurveyJSON where the object returned wasn't the surveyJSON object but the first sectionJSON object. | 19:08 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, nope that isn't it either. but somehow in my freeze method $self is becoming one of the children. But at least load is working correctly. | 19:12 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | wow, that is like an hour killed because I was passing in $self as the first param of a ->new() call. | 19:26 |
| @tavisto | Hey all, can someone verify that the Troubleshooting tips under http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installing are still valid as of the latest WRE release? | 19:26 |
| @tavisto | I'm going to remove that duplicate wiki and move those troubleshooting tips into the master wre installation page | 19:27 |
| @khenn | Lisette, that code will commit the current workingt ak | 19:51 |
| @khenn | tag | 19:51 |
| @khenn | otherwise you need instantiate the actual verion tag you want to commit | 19:51 |
| @khenn | not sure how to do that offhand, you'll have to look at the API | 19:51 |
| @khenn | likely $versionTag = WebGUI::VersionTag->new($session,$tagId); | 19:51 |
| @khenn | or something like that | 19:51 |
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| rizen_ | hey apeiron, could you kick rizen and Haarg | 20:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen_: try /nickserv help | 20:24 |
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| rizen_ | test | 20:26 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | pong | 20:27 |
| @rizen | irc doesn't like it when you change your ip | 20:28 |
| Lisette | but how to do to generate a new tagId? | 20:28 |
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| ckotil | My apache is segfaulting. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3a629dc0 | 21:46 |
| ckotil | Ive installed apr from source, and table.c is in the source tree. | 21:47 |
| ckotil | apr_tables.c rather | 21:47 |
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| elnino | once I create a thingy, is there a way to import data into it? | 21:53 |
| @Haarg | create thingy -> create thing -> view thing -> import | 21:55 |
| elnino | cool. I don't have the latest webgui install, but this will definately encourage me to do so now! that will make life tons easeier. Thanks! | 21:58 |
| doc777 | Question: When someone creates an account the default seems to make their profile public. How can I change this to private? | 21:59 |
| @preaction | doc777: edit the Visitor user's profile | 22:00 |
| doc777 | Ah! Knew it was something simple. Thank you. | 22:00 |
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| elnino | what is the templating like for the thingy? is it at all like what I"m accusom to for articales and pagelayouts? | 22:02 |
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| @preaction | it's fully-templatable, if that's what you mean | 22:03 |
| elnino | I heard it was ajaxed? | 22:04 |
| @Haarg | the admin interface is | 22:04 |
| elnino | but not the tempaltes? | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | for users entering data etc it doesn't use ajax | 22:05 |
| doc777 | Hrm. The visitors profile is set to "Make profile public: No" but when you create a user it is still set to "yes" ;-) | 22:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | doc777: Profiles no longer inherit from Visitor | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Each field has a default. | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | really? | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | when did that happen? | 22:54 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7702 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: added a safer faster join using option | 22:56 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: yung * r7704 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): small changes in Thingy's web services methods, added Thingy tests | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it's been that way for a while | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or I'm misinterpreting WebGUI::User->profileField | 22:57 |
| BartJol | oh and who set the permission so that I can't translate the new namespace? | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | You mean the new Bart bit in the translation server? | 23:00 |
| BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/cant-edit-i18n-message#wsWiIrhSnhNKTvJn8c8vVw | 23:00 |
| @Haarg | let me check on that quick bart | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | It detects barts and says that you can't edit it | 23:00 |
| BartJol | ah | 23:00 |
| doc777 | Thank you perlDreamer. I was looking every except there. That fixed it. ;-) | 23:00 |
| BartJol | nice that you wanna give other people a chance | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, if you had 5 karma for every entry you translated... | 23:01 |
| BartJol | 5 might be a bit to much | 23:01 |
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| @Haarg | bart - should be fixed now | 23:03 |
| BartJol | let me check | 23:03 |
| doc777 | Question: When someone posts on the forum and people are subscribed to it an email is sent out to everyone from "their" email address. Can this be changed to just show the server address? | 23:04 |
| BartJol | yes, it worked again | 23:04 |
| @Haarg | not currently | 23:04 |
| BartJol | thanks | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | there may be an rfe about that though | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | i know it's been mentioned several times before | 23:05 |
| doc777 | Yea... not everyone would like their email address sent out to all subscribers... ;) | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | doc777, you might want to search for a bug or rfe about that | 23:06 |
| doc777 | I will do. Any idea which .pm would handle sending out the forum mail? | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Mail/Send.pm ? | 23:07 |
| doc777 | Thank you ;) | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | that's for all mail sending though | 23:08 |
| BartJol | mmm, can I resolve that bug? | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | leave it for a bit | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | doc777, the emails are built in Asset/Post.pm. | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg was right, Mail::Send is only the transport frontend | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | sub notifySubscribers | 23:09 |
| doc777 | Ok, what I would like is all email leaving the server to come from the server.... Thanks for the help! | 23:09 |
| doc777 | Question: (sorry for so many!) It seems that you can create an account with a duplicate email address. It simply asks "do you wish to continue" and overwrites the first account..? What am I missing.... | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | there is no guarantee for email uniqueness in WebGUI | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | it shouldn't overwrite the first account, though | 23:26 |
| doc777 | For now I just changed "warning" to return "Account Exists" and exit. But seemed there should be way without doing that ;) | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | are you creating it as an admin or a user? | 23:29 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7705 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_Calendar.pm Inbox_Message.pm): Update from translation server | 23:29 |
| doc777 | Just a unregistered user. It lets me create multiple accounts with the same email it seems by default. That is bad if you are tracking things by the email ;) | 23:31 |
| doc777 | Or confusing I might say. In reality people need access to the email to mess things up... | 23:32 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 23:34 |
| @Haarg | i thought it forbid that | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Nope | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | There's no unique email check when creating a user | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | which means using things like User->newByEmail are dangerous | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | it used to be not possible | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | creatAccount would complain that the email address was already in use | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | and didn't let you proceed | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | seems like a bug to me if it doesn't do that anymore | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | through the admin console it always has been possible to enter duped email addresses. | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, that's what I'm confused about | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | You're right MrHairgrease | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the profile checker does do a duplicate email check when doing createAccountSave | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | always trust the euro trash =) | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | but only when they're hip and fashionable | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | and have gobs of sex appeal =) | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and technically correct | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and able to etch very small things on pieces of glass | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and drink beer at the WUC | 23:40 |
| BartJol | we can also drink beer without a wuc | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed we can | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | what are you doing tomorrow =) | 23:40 |
| BartJol | soem kennismakers will come by | 23:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 23:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | nice | 23:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think I'll hop along too then | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | kennismakers? | 23:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you guys the end point? | 23:41 |
| BartJol | before that I will be watching holiday pictures with Astrid | 23:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | pd: new koornbeurs members | 23:41 |
| BartJol | but feel to drop by | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | I won't be too early prolly | 23:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you can watch picture all you like | 23:43 |
| BartJol | the kennismakers neither, I think we are a last house | 23:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | that was what I was refrring to with 'teh end point' | 23:43 |
| BartJol | ah | 23:44 |
| BartJol | well, yes then | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps you should have koenbeurs instead | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | could be much less confusing | 23:48 |
| BartJol | nnooooooooooooooooooo | 23:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | nononononono | 23:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | could somebody of the pb crew please kick pd? | 23:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | of all really bad ideas... | 23:48 |
| BartJol | this is the worst | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | No, there are worse ones | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't mention eggs, for example | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not an idea | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a concept | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | granted not a very... | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | fresh one | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | and believe me koenbeurs would be worse than the eggs | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | ...I'll take your word for it | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 23:51 |
| BartJol | pweew, one world disaster less | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's good we were both on the channel bartjol | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise perldreamer would have all the wrong ideas =) | 23:52 |
| BartJol | yeah | 23:52 |
| BartJol | normally he's a nice guy, but sometimes even his genius mind slips | 23:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | true | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm doing silicon layout | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Very damaging to the psyche | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | try indesign | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Is that a cadence product? | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | i heard that's pretty good for layouting | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | no adobe | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | never used cadence though | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, if it will emit GDS in the end... | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have some experience with ads | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't think indesign can do gds' | 23:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | I thought you were a more high level designer btw | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I am | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | But when there's no design to do | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and no chips to work on | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and the chip will be late | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you do what you must | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I seem to do a lot of that | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Bug fixing, testing, documentation | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are on transistor placement detail | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | "pushing polygons" | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 23:56 |
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| doc777 | Is there a way to make the captcha a little easier to distinguish? Maybe I can change the foreground color? Had a user complain that he could not register and I tried and failed 3 times ;-) | 00:11 |
| @preaction | doc777: there's an initiative to use recaptcha, but not sure how far graham is on it | 00:12 |
| @preaction | otherwise, not that i know of | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | it works | 00:12 |
| doc777 | ok, was not sure if there was a config file I could specify "yellow on black" ect.... thanks ;) | 00:12 |
| @preaction | the easier you make it for humans, the easier it is for non-humans | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | i should probably just commit that, i just wasn't sure what i wanted to do about the external dependancy i added for it | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | since it barely does anything | 00:13 |
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| @preaction | is it an option? or is it a replacement? | 00:14 |
| @Haarg | it's an option | 00:15 |
| @Haarg | you need to register your site on their system | 00:16 |
| @preaction | ah | 00:16 |
| doc777 | We were using 7.5.20 recently. Site worked great. But we upgraded to 7.5.23 for some log file errors. After you can no longer create an account on the site. All the steps work but the account is not created. I restored /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm and you can now create accounts again. Did I miss something special? | 00:19 |
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| @Haarg | doc777, i think i see the problem | 00:25 |
| @Haarg | there is a bug posted about it | 00:26 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, question about this change: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7411 | 01:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | What's the question, Haarg? | 01:24 |
| @Haarg | i think i figured it out | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | was wondering why the call to SUPER got moved to the end | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | needs to happen before the email verification stuff | 01:26 |
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| @Haarg | i'm working on fixing it | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | and cleaning up the verification stuff a little | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | iirc, I had to move the call to SUPER to the end so that the message display would happen | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | from the commit notes | 01:29 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:29 |
| @Haarg | it will just need to save the value and return it later | 01:29 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7706 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): fixed: anonymous registration with email confirmation is broken | 02:03 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7707 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm: clean up next/previous code for threads | 02:03 |
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| @tavisto | khenn you there? | 03:00 |
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| khenn_ | what's up? | 03:55 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | nada, what's up with you khenn? | 04:26 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7708 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Moving edit screens to be template based for i18n (almost done with editor. | 05:38 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:37 |
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| topsub | can i do a mysql statement splitting on newlines? | 17:37 |
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| BartJol | mmm, if you can insert a perl regex you should, I think tobsub | 18:12 |
| BartJol | but don't ask me how.... | 18:12 |
| BartJol | sorry | 18:12 |
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| BartJol | jippy! I just made my first succesfull upgrade | 18:26 |
| BartJol | and with the next I broke my site | 18:26 |
| carogray | does anyone know - can you add "date" fields as metadata to assets? | 18:30 |
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| carogray | another question - before v. 7.5.23 you could move the order in which assets (pages) appeared in the navigation by dragging them up and down the list in the asset manager | 19:06 |
| carogray | there used to be rank column in the older version and there still is, but ranking wasn't what determined the order in which they appeared in the navigation - Actually I never understood what ranking was. | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | ranking does control the position in navigations | 19:07 |
| carogray | However now you can't drag the asset up and down in the list and ranking doesn't seem to be the way to change the order | 19:07 |
| carogray | hmm. Ijust tried it...trying again | 19:07 |
| @rizen | carogray: many people found the draging confusing | 19:08 |
| @rizen | and error prone | 19:08 |
| @rizen | so we changed it so you could type in a rank | 19:08 |
| @rizen | this also has the advantage of allowing you to set multiple ranks at one time | 19:08 |
| @rizen | you type it in, and then it "update" | 19:08 |
| @rizen | hit update | 19:08 |
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| carogray | oops - sorry! I was reading russian and got the russian mixed up I had moved it with the ranking but didn't realize it cause the short English menu title= the long Russian menu title - my mistake | 19:11 |
| carogray | as for the change in the way to use ranking thanks very much! You are right it is easier the new way and more intuitive and the people I train on WebGUI will adapt to this improvement very happily I am sure! | 19:12 |
| carogray | thank you all | 19:12 |
| carogray | also thanks for ability to do the multiple changes in rank at once | 19:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I'm telling you, this scandal may have broken my faith in this country. Every major institution has failed us. | 19:29 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | hwups, wrong channel :P | 19:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | just as a heads up | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | my new laptop is here | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'm not going to have much bandwidth for the next week or so | 20:22 |
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| metanil | how do i use workflow, some sequence of internal events (like creating page, ..) just after any group is created?? | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | There's no workflow trigger points for groups yet | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | You would have to RFE it in | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | or hack it yourself | 20:29 |
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| metanil | perlDreamer: could i create my own workflow like WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CreateGroupTrigger ?? | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil, not really | 20:34 |
| metanil | :o | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | You could create an activity to do something | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but then, someplace in the WebGUI::Group or WebGUI::Operation::Group code you'd have to build a workflow instance that _uses_ the new activity. | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | see the difference? | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Like trigger and bullet | 20:35 |
| metanil | oh .. .. that means at the end of the day, there must be some of kind of trigger inside WebGUI::Group.. that would trigger my custom set of Activities (I should define with activity then).. | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes! | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | That's exactly the right idea. | 20:37 |
| metanil | I need to modify WebGUI::Group for every new WebGUI updates :( .. right? | 20:38 |
| @preaction | you'd want it in WebGUI::Operation::Group, and if it's useful it might be included in core | 20:38 |
| @preaction | more workflow points are good | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah. | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd build the code, make sure it works | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and the add the patch to the RFE | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it could get put into the core very quickly | 20:39 |
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| metanil | hmm.. i'll try to create workflow point in Group then.. | 20:41 |
| @preaction | remember, you want WebGUI::Operation::Group, not WebGUI::Group | 20:41 |
| @preaction | also, check settings, i swore there was one there already | 20:42 |
| metanil | in Settings?? i didn't find it. | 20:44 |
| @preaction | what version are you running? | 20:44 |
| metanil | 7.4.17-stable :D | 20:45 |
| metanil | (old) | 20:45 |
| @preaction | it's not in that version | 20:45 |
| @preaction | try a demo, it should be in there | 20:45 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, did you have something set up for searching/filtering templates easily? | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: templateFiler.pl and ack for command line work | 20:47 |
| @Haarg | think you could look at this bug at some point? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/multiple-default-templates-broken-with-prevent-proxy-caching | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | sure! | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | not a problem | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have a deadline when you need it by? | 20:48 |
| @Haarg | not really | 20:48 |
| BartJol | yesterday off course | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | That's it BartJol! | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | No i18n fixes for you anymore | 20:49 |
| metanil | preaction: i'm sorry i still can't see it.. (Admin Console -> Settings->??) | 20:49 |
| @preaction | User | 20:49 |
| BartJol | perlDreamer: never? | 20:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | Bart, what time should I arrive? | 20:50 |
| BartJol | dunno 10 or so? | 20:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:50 |
| BartJol | no one told me at what time they should arrive | 20:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: why would a new laptop reduce your available bandwidth? | 20:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | because perldreamer is using windows | 20:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | and all the worms eat up his bandwidth!!!! | 20:52 |
| metanil | preaction: there's only "on create user" and "on update user" | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Because I have to install Fedora | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | transfer my personal data | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | set up WebGUI | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | etc. | 20:52 |
| @preaction | metanil: okay, then i'm mistaken. but you'll still need to develop your feature against 7.5 in order for it to be considered for inclusion in the core (which takes the burden of maintenance off of you) | 20:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: does your ISP several limit bandwidth because that sounds like way less than 10GB. | 20:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s/several/severely/ | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I remember you saying that you had a fast way of transferring your user data after installs. Care to share? | 20:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: err, no, I usually do a full backup of everything I can remember to my server, do a fresh install, then put everything back as well as I can remember. Usually the whole process takes about 4 hours. | 20:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Most of it is just rsyncing directories. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, that's not much better than what I do | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I burn a DVD of everything I want and take it across that way | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, I get a backup out of it | 20:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh, my userspace won't fit on a DVD. | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | the biggest thing in my userspace is mail | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 Gb | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | What do you have stuck in there? | 20:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | movies, images, and music | 20:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I keep everything of value with me on the laptop just to make sure I have it with me. | 20:59 |
| @rizen | porn movies porn pics and music to watch porn by | 20:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 20:59 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2 is a sexual deviant | 20:59 |
| @rizen | or at least that's what he puts on his resume | 20:59 |
| @preaction | i wondered why you hired him so quick | 21:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 30GB doesn't quite put me in the deviant category. | 21:00 |
| BartJol | he has a nice voice for porn too | 21:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hahahahaha | 21:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'd say they were just family photos and movies, but I'm afraid where you guys would run with that. | 21:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: do you use the encrypted drive option available in F9? | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | just LVM | 21:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | it seems to really slow things down, but knowing if my machine is ever stolen my data is safe is reassuring. | 21:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | for a laptop I can't think of why LVM is not a good idea. | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, there are 22 templates that need to be fixed | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | none of them are the "illegal" assetId type | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and someone needs to tell Yung not to use that option anymore | 21:03 |
| @preaction | it's guaranteed unique | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and someone needs to tell preaction, too | 21:04 |
| @preaction | why not? what's wrong with it? | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | In fact, that's all of them | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | doesn't work with prevent proxy | 21:04 |
| @preaction | i meant the "illegal assetId" thing | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Sorry, I switched topics | 21:05 |
| @preaction | i know about the gateway macro thing, no | 21:05 |
| @preaction | w | 21:05 |
| @Haarg | which illegal assetids are we talking about? | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the ones that aren't 22 chars | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and I need to retract that | 21:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | how are those being created? | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | this one is bad: l0000000000000200.tmpl | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | by hand, perlmonkey2 | 21:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So my new survey templates 1335 1336 1337 and 1338 should be expanded to 22 chars? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | something like PBSurveyTemplate_filler_digits | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | BuySalesTaxRightNow:).tmpl | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that's one of my favorites | 21:07 |
| @Haarg | the only place we have guids that short ids are allowed is for users and groups | 21:07 |
| @Haarg | and that's just for backwards compatibility | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we should change it in WebGUI 8 | 21:09 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | AdminUserIdUsedToBe3 | 21:09 |
| @Haarg | heh | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | rizen added the isRegistered isVisitor etc to ::User | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | so any code using that would be safe from an id change | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | It's only the User Forms and other things that would need to change | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and sql reports, macros, etc. | 21:11 |
| @preaction | and just about every plug-in ever written for webgui, for no good reason | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 good reason, uniformity and no more special cases | 21:13 |
| @rizen | preaction is right, it can't change | 21:13 |
| @preaction | not saying we shouldn't use the API in the future, but we don't need to change the IDs | 21:13 |
| @rizen | the reason is that there are lots of places in the database that the groupId might be stored | 21:13 |
| @rizen | i shouldn't say we can't change it | 21:14 |
| @rizen | rather that we shouldn't just decide to change it willy nilly | 21:14 |
| @rizen | we need to understand that it's not just work for us, but rather for our users as well | 21:14 |
| @Haarg | we could change it to prevent new groups/users with short ids from being created | 21:16 |
| @Haarg | and remove the rest of the hard coded group ids (aside from a few places) | 21:17 |
| BartJol | I started practising upgrading, when I did the 7.5.9->7.5.10 all seemed to go well, but spectre can't connect. So I have a error in my config, but I don't see what it is. Can it be a wrong subnet? It worked on 7.5.8 and 7.5.9 with the same config | 21:20 |
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| @Haarg | what error do you get? | 21:21 |
| @Haarg | with spectre running, does perl spectre.pl --test give you anything? | 21:22 |
| BartJol | 2008/09/25 20:11:35 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.bartjol.nl.conf at http://www.bartjol.nl:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 Internal Server Error | 21:22 |
| BartJol | root@/data/WebGUI/sbin> perl spectre.pl --test | 21:22 |
| BartJol | Running connectivity tests. | 21:22 |
| BartJol | Testing www.bartjol.nl.conf | 21:22 |
| BartJol | ERROR: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.bartjol.nl.conf | 21:22 |
| BartJol | Tests completed. | 21:22 |
| BartJol | the first is from the webgui log | 21:22 |
| BartJol | testEnviroment gives no bad reslults | 21:23 |
| BartJol | except that I'm using 7.5.20 :) | 21:24 |
| BartJol | s/\.20/\.10/ | 21:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: useing the right port? | 21:25 |
| BartJol | WebGUI or spectre? | 21:25 |
| BartJol | 80 and 32133 resp. | 21:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if spectre can't connect, perhaps it is an old conf that isn't trying the new modperl port? | 21:26 |
| BartJol | ah | 21:26 |
| BartJol | that is 8 | 21:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | running the wre? | 21:26 |
| BartJol | yup | 21:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | latest? | 21:26 |
| BartJol | nope | 21:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 8081 is the most recent. Not sure how far back that goes. | 21:27 |
| BartJol | I'll check my modprel conf | 21:27 |
| @Haarg | but you can still connect through port 80 if you are running modproxy | 21:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 21:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | duh, that makes sense. | 21:27 |
| BartJol | modproxy runs | 21:28 |
| BartJol | on 80 | 21:28 |
| BartJol | modperl listens on 8081, I'll just try it | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | the first thing i would check is your site name | 21:29 |
| BartJol | 8081 gives the same error | 21:31 |
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| BartJol | my sitename? it was always the same? where could that have gone awry? | 21:31 |
| @Haarg | take the first item in sitename and then try 'curl http://sitename/?op=spectreGetSiteData' | 21:31 |
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| BartJol | curl? | 21:32 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:33 |
| BartJol | command not found | 21:33 |
| @Haarg | heh | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, try wget instead of curl | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | what OS are you usng? | 21:33 |
| BartJol | debian | 21:33 |
| BartJol | etch | 21:33 |
| BartJol | it connects and then gives an internal server error | 21:34 |
| @Haarg | anything show in the log from that? | 21:34 |
| BartJol | in modperl.error.log: | 21:35 |
| BartJol | [Thu Sep 25 20:33:30 2008] [error] [client 87.253.131.249] Can't locate auto/Apache2/Request/print.al in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl . /data/wre/prereqs) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Output.pm line 93\n | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | 7.5.10? | 21:36 |
| BartJol | yeah | 21:36 |
| BartJol | should be at least | 21:36 |
| @Haarg | try sticking a 'use Apache2::RequestIO;' into preload.perl | 21:37 |
| BartJol | where inpreload.perl? | 21:38 |
| BartJol | on top? | 21:38 |
| @Haarg | there should be some other use Apache2::something lines | 21:38 |
| @Haarg | right after those | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | if you don't see them, just stick it anywhere | 21:39 |
| BartJol | found use Apache2::ServerUtil (); | 21:39 |
| BartJol | put it after that | 21:40 |
| BartJol | well, my site works, and it doensn't give an error, thanks! | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | that's an old bug that i caused and fixed | 21:42 |
| BartJol | did put mu webGUIport back to 80 | 21:42 |
| BartJol | well, next step for me | 21:43 |
| BartJol | thanks everybody | 21:44 |
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| BartJol | but I have company, so till tomorrow | 21:52 |
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| juan1 | i have a question related to approve some post | 22:29 |
| juan1 | in my inbox i have many post waiting for approval but when i try to do that i can not do it, the thread is blocked | 22:31 |
| juan1 | so, i can not approve o deny it | 22:31 |
| juan1 | I have tried to unblock them, but they continue blocked | 22:34 |
| juan1 | can i unblock them using a sql sentence? | 22:34 |
| dionak | you mean they are locked? | 22:35 |
| juan1 | yes | 22:35 |
| juan1 | locked | 22:35 |
| dionak | k, wasn't sure if blocked was something other than locked | 22:35 |
| dionak | who are they locked by? | 22:35 |
| dionak | the posts could also be in a version tag that's not active.. | 22:36 |
| juan1 | in the page i see the thread but when i try to see it in the asset manager, my site show me a message that the page does not exist | 22:37 |
| dionak | do you have any pending version tags? | 22:38 |
| juan1 | if i go to the admin console i have some pending version tags, but i can not commit them | 22:41 |
| juan1 | they are locked | 22:41 |
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| juan1 | with the admin user i can edit and save but the threads continue locked | 22:46 |
| dionak | shouldn't they be locked until the version tag is committed? | 22:47 |
| dionak | that's my understanding | 22:47 |
| juan1 | yes, i understand | 22:49 |
| juan1 | but they are locked and i can approve o deny, or commit | 22:50 |
| juan1 | i don't know how to approve those threads | 22:50 |
| juan1 | dionak, can i unlocked those post using a sql sentence? | 22:59 |
| dionak | yes, you can but it would be better to understand what's going on | 23:01 |
| dionak | the lock is set in the asset table in the isLockedBy column | 23:02 |
| dionak | is this a production site? | 23:03 |
| dionak | i'm not sure what effect that will have in your current setup | 23:03 |
| juan1 | yes | 23:03 |
| juan1 | this is a production site | 23:04 |
| dionak | you should try that on a dev instance or contact PB for support | 23:07 |
| juan1 | ok | 23:12 |
| juan1 | thanks | 23:12 |
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| carogray | hi, I am using Firefox to edit articles with rich text editor - when I look at the HTML, somehow the editor is adding mce href tags after every a href tag, what is this? | 23:27 |
| metanil | what is $self variable in every method in WebGUI library... (when calling from Operation/...pm, we are not passing it) | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: perldoc perlobj | 23:30 |
| metanil | :D | 23:31 |
| metanil | (this proves i'm new in perl) | 23:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | just keep learning, metanil ;) | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | We have tons of patience for people who learn | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | perldoc perl will give you a list of all perl manpages | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it's worth a day or two to read them all, with various levels of detail | 23:34 |
| @Haarg | bleh | 23:41 |
| @Haarg | i hate UNIVERSAL::isa | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if I check these templates into 7.6, can you handle backporting them into 7.5? | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | svn rev 7711 | 00:12 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7711 /WebGUI/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): fix usage of gateway macro in all default templates | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you want a CODE_COP test for that added to the suite? | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | if it's reasonable to do, sure | 00:25 |
| doc777 | Hello friends. When using adminModeSubnets does this line look correct: "adminModeSubnets" : [ "192.168.0.0/24", "66.162.0.0/24, "67.220.0.0/24" ], | 00:26 |
| doc777 | Trying to get it to allow editing from more than one place but it seems to only allow one and not the others.... | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | testing... | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | doc777, is it always the last one? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | seems to work okay in tests | 00:33 |
| doc777 | the last one works... the first 2 do not it seems | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | You do know that in addition to being in the subnet that you have to be in the Turn On Admin group? | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | both those conditions have to be true | 00:35 |
| doc777 | Well, using the same user account at both locations at the moment for testing ;) | 00:36 |
| doc777 | Its ok, just figured it would be nice to use if possible | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | in the tests that I ran, it worked okay | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you're not behind a proxy or anything that would change your IP address? | 00:37 |
| doc777 | wierd... Well, on the phone with the person at the other location. Got their IP from the log in record and added that to the line. But when they log in there is no turn admin on.... | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | ^Env(REMOTE_ADDR); ^Env(HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR) will tell you which IP address WebGUI sees | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR has priority if both are set | 00:39 |
| doc777 | Maybe thats it. Thanks will test some more. Been working on it for an hour before I gave up and asked ;) | 00:39 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7712 /WebGUI/t/User.t: Add tests for defining multiple IP ranges for admin subnets. | 00:59 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7713 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update version numbers to 7.5.24 | 01:28 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7714 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.5.22.pl: add messages to upgrade script | 01:28 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7715 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PurgeOldInboxMessages.pm: copy purge old inbox fix from 7.6 | 01:28 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7716 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): fixed: multiple default templates broken with prevent proxy caching | 01:28 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7717 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.24 release | 01:28 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: yung * r7718 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2: Creating a branch for matrix work | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I wrote that test | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it told me I missed 3 templates | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and the test has holes | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | because there's really 8 templates | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if it's not too late, the other 8 templates are svn rev 7720 | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | it'll have to wait | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | not big deal though | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, man | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | thanks for doing the work :) | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 02:08 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7719 /WebGUI/t/templateChecker.t: add a CODE_COP test to make sure that default templates always use the gateway macro with parens | 02:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7720 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.0/ (8 files): missed 8 templates on the first pass | 02:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7721 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.24-stable: Release 7.5.24-stable | 02:27 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7723 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Finishing up editor | 05:24 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7724 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: added object.js | 05:24 |
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| elnino | hmm. is there an "ftp" built into wre? - or a way to manage "public/" folder thru webgui? | 06:44 |
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| doc777 | Anyone used an apache redirect with webgui sucessfully? Seems webgui grabs the url with a 404 and redirects it. I would like to do a 301 permanant | 06:50 |
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| elnino | in the new 7.5 version (I think) I had requested that you can actually select the type of redirect webgui uses. 301 or 302. | 07:19 |
| elnino | But I've also used redirect in the apache conf file as well. | 07:19 |
| elnino | ON that particular server, I do NOT have wre, so I have no idea if that changes anything. | 07:20 |
| elnino | doc777 hope that helps. | 07:20 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Sweet.. new VMWare WebGUI | 08:34 |
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| carogray | time to take to renew - rss feeds/syndicated content question? | 14:57 |
| BartJol | go ahead | 15:00 |
| carogray | oh! sorry. | 15:12 |
| carogray | Is there a way to refresh the syndicated content so I can check out the effect of changes I made? | 15:13 |
| carogray | I have a cs it produces an rss feed and I created a syndicated content to collect the info from the rss | 15:13 |
| carogray | I put a test item in the cs | 15:13 |
| carogray | it showed up the way it is supposed to in the syndicated content | 15:14 |
| carogray | I then deleted the revision of the test - I find that deleting revisions is a much more satisfactory way of completely deleting things from the whole system | 15:14 |
| carogray | it is no longer in the cs, but still showing up in the syndicated content | 15:15 |
| carogray | I reduced the visitor cache in both cs and syndicated content to 1 sec, from 1 hr | 15:15 |
| carogray | so....? | 15:15 |
| BartJol | eeh | 15:23 |
| BartJol | let me read, I was distracted by my work :) | 15:23 |
| BartJol | well tha should refresh it, but when there are no differences, it's hard to see | 15:25 |
| BartJol | so you have a CS which contained (past time) a RSS feed | 15:27 |
| carogray | I don't think it contained, it produce(s) ? | 15:27 |
| BartJol | I'm not sure what the question is, it was late last night | 15:27 |
| carogray | It's the little box in the display tab that asks if you want to create an rs feed | 15:27 |
| BartJol | ok | 15:28 |
| carogray | my question is why is the "test" contribution to the collaboration system still showing up in syndicated content even after I deleted it? | 15:28 |
| carogray | I am not badgering, sorry if it reads as though I am | 15:29 |
| BartJol | I think it is already stored as a CS post | 15:29 |
| BartJol | so while the feed object is "downloaded" it is converted to a Post object | 15:30 |
| carogray | but if it is deleted, especially the way I deleted it, ie deleted the revision, I thought all traces of it ever having existed also vanish | 15:30 |
| BartJol | well, then you should look whether your revision does exists in the db | 15:30 |
| BartJol | or maybe it is still just cached | 15:31 |
| BartJol | cache is a pain in the butt sometimes | 15:31 |
| carogray | uh..emptied cache for site, cs and syndicated content | 15:31 |
| BartJol | browser cache? | 15:31 |
| carogray | yep, that too. | 15:31 |
| BartJol | mmm | 15:31 |
| carogray | in fact I work in firefox and so just to be absolutely sure after deleting all caches, I opened the page in IE | 15:32 |
| carogray | still there. | 15:32 |
| carogray | The only thing I can think of is perhaps it is in the Workflow somewhere | 15:32 |
| BartJol | can you check that? | 15:33 |
| carogray | I am still not very familiar with workflows - I get the concept, but not the practical application so well | 15:33 |
| BartJol | and not sure whether posts are regulated via versions | 15:33 |
| BartJol | well, just go to the workflow screen and look under "show running workflows" whether there's something there | 15:33 |
| carogray | okey doke - i will try that | 15:34 |
| carogray | I get "4 suspended workflows" they all say the same thing: | 15:36 |
| carogray | Get CS Mail10/10(none)errorFri Sep 26 08:38:21 2008Run | 15:36 |
| BartJol | run them, starting witj the oldest | 15:36 |
| carogray | how do I do that? | 15:37 |
| carogray | oh duh click on the run? | 15:37 |
| BartJol | by pressing run | 15:37 |
| BartJol | :) | 15:37 |
| carogray | sorry - idiot | 15:37 |
| carogray | me that is | 15:37 |
| BartJol | he, it gave me a laugh | 15:37 |
| carogray | gives me a blank page with a little "error" in upper left corner - that's all | 15:38 |
| BartJol | mmm errors are no good | 15:38 |
| BartJol | can you access your server? | 15:38 |
| carogray | we have a Plain Black contract we are on their servers - technically I think I can, but I am simply a lowly Ancient Greek and Latin Major who ended up running a website and "supporting" some others by default | 15:39 |
| carogray | I get in over my head with server access and sql reports and stuff - again, I understand the concepts, but the practical applications elude me. | 15:40 |
| BartJol | just keep trying, you will get there | 15:41 |
| carogray | if my brain doesn't break in the meantime:-/ | 15:41 |
| BartJol | mmm, I don't actually think you can log in to the server | 15:41 |
| BartJol | I don't think plainblack allows that | 15:41 |
| BartJol | unless you do posess hacking skills | 15:42 |
| carogray | One thing's for sure, I will never get Alzheimers.... I thing we can log in to the server, we have done it before a few years ago...but the process was so bizarre | 15:42 |
| carogray | fraught with so many deadends I haven't a clue... | 15:42 |
| BartJol | bizarre? | 15:42 |
| BartJol | only text and no pictures? | 15:42 |
| carogray | well the login names were so simiilar | 15:42 |
| carogray | hah! | 15:42 |
| carogray | you are Svensk, ja? | 15:43 |
| BartJol | nope | 15:43 |
| BartJol | Dutchie | 15:43 |
| carogray | how come you are up ....oh! | 15:43 |
| carogray | right | 15:43 |
| carogray | are you the only european who is on this irc usually? | 15:43 |
| BartJol | it is mid afternoon here in the netherlands ;) | 15:43 |
| carogray | I know... | 15:43 |
| BartJol | no | 15:43 |
| BartJol | ryuu_ro is also dutch | 15:44 |
| carogray | my husband is in the UK I am hoping to spend a month with him soon | 15:44 |
| BartJol | and some other people too | 15:44 |
| carogray | good to know | 15:44 |
| carogray | I was thinking it might just be you and me for hours on the irc | 15:44 |
| BartJol | but | 15:44 |
| BartJol | that happens | 15:45 |
| BartJol | back to the problem\ | 15:45 |
| carogray | ....shall I just wait til midwesterners over here get up and ask them why the workflow is stuck? | 15:45 |
| BartJol | well if you have some login info, you should check the webgui.log | 15:45 |
| BartJol | probably that will be your best shot | 15:46 |
| BartJol | or get hosting with a european company like mine :) | 15:46 |
| carogray | I don't have it anymore - can't remember it or where I put it....don't want to waste your working time either... thanks for helping me out though | 15:46 |
| carogray | we are American, my colleague doesn't even like paying Vietnamese translators who live in Vietnam - $s overseas and all that | 15:47 |
| carogray | despite all we owe these poor little countries we helped to decimate | 15:47 |
| carogray | are you prolix i sthat your company? | 15:48 |
| BartJol | procolix yes | 15:48 |
| carogray | oh yes... | 15:48 |
| carogray | ok thanks for trying I will wait. I have a deadline today for our own website and I am getting distracted working on this one that isn't due for a week - ugh | 15:48 |
| BartJol | ok, good luck, see you around | 15:49 |
| carogray | k thanks bye | 15:49 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | morning SDuensin | 16:14 |
| BartJol | afternoon | 16:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | afternoon BartJol | 16:18 |
| SDuensin | Gonna try my WebGUI upgrade *again* and try not to crash the test server this time. :-) | 16:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | May the Force be with you. | 16:18 |
| BartJol | yesterday and today I did my first succesfull upgrade! | 16:20 |
| BartJol | now I will have to choose for beta or stable... | 16:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Dude, you're a ninja. A WebGUI ninja that is. | 16:21 |
| BartJol | I'm getting there | 16:21 |
| BartJol | it was only from 7.5.8 to current stable | 16:22 |
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| carogray | Bartjol: - thanks for your time this morning. I didn't look carefully enough at the plainblack support board - http://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support/syndicated-content-cache-/4#mI-S-CjxRoFOokPcBQhw0g | 16:32 |
| BartJol | ah | 16:32 |
| BartJol | good | 16:32 |
| BartJol | luckily I actually can read that | 16:33 |
| carogray | apparently WebGUi syndicated content has an uncontrollable cache for 1 hr because some users were getting rss feeds from other sites too often. | 16:33 |
| carogray | ok I wont explain... | 16:33 |
| BartJol | well, the summary was good | 16:34 |
| carogray | :-D | 16:37 |
| BartJol | well, have to go | 16:41 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7725 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/GetCsMail.pm: Fixed a bug that would not have a subject in the email response error if for some reason the from address is empty and visitors cannot post to the CS | 16:49 |
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| carogray | any PB support staff here? | 17:25 |
| carogray | I am saving an article and it isn't saving.. | 17:25 |
| carogray | do I put this in support board or login request or can I use IRC? | 17:25 |
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| @rizen | all support should start with the support board | 17:53 |
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| SDuensin | Crazy idea. How portable are webgui packages? Rather than upgrading, can I export my site and re-import on a fresh install of everything? (Going from 7.4.11 to current.) | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | should work | 18:55 |
| SDuensin | Seriously? That'd save me a crazy amount of effort. | 18:56 |
| @Haarg | that only includes content of course | 18:57 |
| SDuensin | What else is there? My uploads I can copy. These sites have no custom objects or macros. | 18:58 |
| SDuensin | Users? Just me and the site owner. I can re-do those. | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | packages include the uploads | 18:58 |
| SDuensin | Even better. :-) | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | users, settings, that kind of thing | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | sounds like that isn't a concern in this case though | 18:59 |
| SDuensin | Not really. | 18:59 |
| SDuensin | Of course, upgrading would be ideal, but I can't get the !$#^*% WRE running on my test box. | 18:59 |
| SDuensin | I'd re-do the backup and restore, but it's 22 gig across the slow-ass internet. :-( | 19:00 |
| @Haarg | actually, there are some things that aren't included in packages | 19:00 |
| @Haarg | for certain assets | 19:00 |
| @Haarg | like dataform entries, or with pre-7.5, dataform field definitions | 19:00 |
| SDuensin | Well, before I try the package thing, I'm going to re-install my WRE and WebGUI binary stuff on top of what I already have in place. See if that fixes my missing BS. | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | i think the 0.8.5 vmware image is available now | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | which may make things simpler | 19:01 |
| SDuensin | I'm a VMware junkie. :-) | 19:01 |
| SDuensin | Untarring 22G into my VM really made it mad the other day. (Was also moving 400G from one USB drive to another. Bad idea.) | 19:07 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7726 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/SectionJSON.pm Survey.pm): minor changes | 20:16 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7727 /WebGUI/docs/ (77 files in 6 dirs): move branch point up to 7.5.24 | 20:16 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7728 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: fix Crud-dy whitespace | 20:16 |
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| @tavisto | has anyone in here ever developed an application where a website visitor types in a zip code, selects the distance (radius) and then it spits out locations that are close to that particular zip code? | 21:48 |
| @tavisto | I'm curious if this would have a high degree of difficulty if it was developed and used on a WebGUI site | 21:49 |
| nuba | tavisto: i played a bit with that when developing my unfinished google maps asset | 21:57 |
| nuba | tavisto: its not very complicated | 21:57 |
| @tavisto | ah okay that's good to hear | 21:58 |
| nuba | tavisto: may be done with google's api to geocode the locations | 21:58 |
| nuba | or maybe directly from your db, depending on how your are storing locations | 21:58 |
| @tavisto | well that's excellent. Think we'll need to build out this functionality | 21:59 |
| nuba | if you geocode then and store the resulting data, with latitude and longitude, then searching within a given radius is | 21:59 |
| nuba | ust geometry basic work | 21:59 |
| nuba | more fancy things can be done using driving distances and times | 22:00 |
| nuba | travel times* | 22:00 |
| @tavisto | yeah I'm thinking maybe we could get fancy with this app | 22:00 |
| nuba | tavisto: nice. bbiaw, relocating... | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, since the release of .23 yesterday, I can't use my resetdev script. | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It tries to upgrade from .21 to .22 and fails due to the assetHistory schema change in 7.6 | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | i'm fixing that right now | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, thanks :) | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | forgot to copy over the 7.5.24 db scripts | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | committed | 23:18 |
| @Haarg | there's a lot of stuff in the import node to be cleaned up | 23:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Nice video | 23:32 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7729 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: use isAdminOn instead of the variable directly | 23:33 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7730 /WebGUI/docs/ (previousVersion.sql create.sql): missed the db scripts when moving branch point | 23:33 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7731 /WebGUI/docs/ (155 files in 24 dirs): 7.6.0 is a stop version | 23:33 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7732 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): fixed: shortcuts don't notify browsers of updates to their shortcutted asset | 23:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: does the CSV spec require or forbid quoted fields? | 23:50 |
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| @Haarg | so if i clean up the import node, it is 2 pages instead of 4 | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of cleaning up needs to be done? | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | is it crufty, or something else? | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | there were a number of old templates that shouldn't be there | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | and there are the 'new 7.x.x templates' folders | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | reorganizing their contents | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | and things like putting all the macro templates in one folder | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason we don't handle autocommit assets in Asset::www_editSave along with the other auto commit stuff? | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | No idea | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | i was looking at allowing autocommit assets to be added before their parent is committed | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | and having to make changes in a bunch of areas | 00:58 |
| @tavisto | nuba, you there? | 01:05 |
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| miloidrr | PerlDreamer Hi | 01:53 |
| miloidrr | I have a question about the ordering of the cs | 01:53 |
| miloidrr | There is any option to order by rank? | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | miloidrr, if you look in the Edit Collaboration System screen, under the Display tab, it gives you all the options | 01:55 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r7733 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 02:14 |
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| miloidrr | but can i order a cs by rank? | 02:17 |
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| miloidrr | The post? | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | miloidrr, you can sort posts in a CS by sequence added, date updated, date creatd, title, any of the 5 user defined fields, or the karma rank. Post ranking is not an option | 02:29 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7734 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (23 files): dont need these | 02:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7735 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added WebGUI::Crud API as a base for all database backed objects. | 02:44 |
| miloidrr | Ok Perldreamer | 03:05 |
| miloidrr | }Tks | 03:05 |
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| elnino | hi! doing an upgrade of webgui using wre frm 7.4.40 to 7.5.24.. I forget, does the wre install the perl mods for me that are listed in the gotchas? or should I do that via cpan? I have the latest wre intsalled. | 04:47 |
| elnino | hmm. and the upgrade script fail because it couldn't find mysqldump. Should that not be included with wre? | 04:50 |
| elnino | I've verified that mysqldump is in /data/wre/prereqs/bin | 04:52 |
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| elnino | wow. I'm at a loss. I've restored my webgui files and domain files, and spectre won't start | 05:16 |
| elnino | I'm getting a POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for error. | 05:17 |
| elnino | it's the origina spectre file from May. | 05:18 |
| elnino | hmm. when you do a webgui upgrade and it fails, do I need to restore the wre directory as well? | 05:46 |
| elnino | so.. everything is up. and what I got out of this excersize is that the data is actually modified in order to take down the website. because I didn't think I would need to restort the data as the upgrade didn't get that far at all. | 05:51 |
| elnino | I'd like to try this upgrade again, but I'm unclear as to wther I need to install the perl mods listed in the gotcha file when I alrady have wre .085 which should have these already (at least I thought that was the point of having wre) | 06:17 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7736 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm: Fixed an problem in getUsersNotIn which was causing the wrong users to be returned. | 15:40 |
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| elnino | good morning. I had a failed upgrade lastnight from 7.4.40 to 7.5.24 it couldn't find mysqldump, even though it's i n/data/wre/prereqs/bin. I have wre .085 has this problem been reported? | 18:15 |
| elnino | I guess I can try running it without making a backup via the upgrade script. - that's where it failed. | 18:29 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7737 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: the fork method screwed up pathing so you couldn't set config file properties, and probably other things too. reverting to previous revision | 19:41 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7738 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: admin console pluggability | 20:10 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7739 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl: added admin console plugability | 20:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7740 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm: added admin console plugability | 20:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7741 /WebGUI/t/i18n/adminConsole.t: added admin console plugability | 20:41 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7742 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Config.pm sbin/upgrade.pl): make WebGUI::Config more reliable with relative paths and chdir. fixes forking upgrade. | 23:54 |
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| elnino | when I do an upgrade using wre, do I need to install the perl modules in the gotcha using cpan? i have the latest wre (0.8.5) - I understood that wre had all the prerequisetes, so it seem I shouldn't need to. | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | you should be fine | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | but you can run testEnvironment.pl to be certain | 00:10 |
| elnino | oh yeah, good idea.. | 00:10 |
| elnino | ok. Thanks! I'll note both of those in the wiki, | 00:11 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7743 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t: fix leaking products and shelves in test | 00:25 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7744 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (15 files in 9 dirs): Rev 1 of Help Desk complete. Just need to add the migration script now | 01:54 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7745 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t: back porting shelf test cleanup fix | 05:22 |
| @rizen | go pd go | 05:26 |
| @rizen | go pd go | 05:26 |
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| perlDreamer1 | rizen, I broke WebGUI again | 06:25 |
| perlDreamer1 | it's been a few months since the last time | 06:25 |
| @rizen | you did? | 06:25 |
| perlDreamer1 | I did | 06:25 |
| @rizen | i'm in the process of really breaking the hell out of it right now | 06:26 |
| @rizen | so no biggie =) | 06:26 |
| perlDreamer1 | I have a script which imports and exports templates | 06:26 |
| perlDreamer1 | and it has a small problem | 06:26 |
| perlDreamer1 | if the last line of the template doesn't have a newline in it | 06:26 |
| perlDreamer1 | then the head section of the template isn't processed properly | 06:26 |
| @rizen | yeah, that's not good | 06:26 |
| perlDreamer1 | I only touched about 50 templates in 7.5.24 | 06:26 |
| perlDreamer1 | Like Style 1 | 06:27 |
| @rizen | but you're fixing it, right? | 06:27 |
| perlDreamer1 | even as we speak | 06:27 |
| @rizen | breaking stuff isn't all that bad as long as you fix it | 06:27 |
| perlDreamer1 | true | 06:27 |
| perlDreamer1 | but I thought I should tell someone | 06:27 |
| @rizen | why are we making sweeping changes to templates in 7.5...it's supposed to be in bug fix mode | 06:28 |
| perlDreamer1 | there were bugs that needed to be fixed | 06:28 |
| perlDreamer1 | like using the gateway macro the wrong way | 06:28 |
| @rizen | there is a problem though | 06:28 |
| perlDreamer1 | just 1 :) | 06:28 |
| @rizen | you need to fix whatever problems you created both in 7.5.25 and 7.6.0 | 06:28 |
| perlDreamer1 | yes | 06:28 |
| perlDreamer1 | How are you breaking WebGUI? | 06:29 |
| perlDreamer1 | rizen: in the latest Chat with JT, is there any audio after time index 2:10? | 07:00 |
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| @rizen | i'll check | 07:10 |
| @rizen | sorry for the delay | 07:10 |
| @rizen | didn't see you there | 07:10 |
| @rizen | i'm breaking webgui by putting in the new restructured assets in the config file | 07:11 |
| @rizen | andi already put in pluggable admin console | 07:11 |
| @rizen | fuck | 07:13 |
| perlDreamer1 | yeah, that | 07:13 |
| @rizen | there doesnt' appear to be any audio | 07:14 |
| @rizen | there was when i created it | 07:14 |
| @rizen | i'll have to re-record it | 07:14 |
| perlDreamer1 | not only that, but try to look at the latest bug on WebGUI.org | 07:14 |
| perlDreamer1 | I take one week off to work on $dayJob, and WebGUI just goes to pot! | 07:14 |
| @rizen | what have you done | 07:14 |
| perlDreamer1 | Ah, this time I'm innocent | 07:14 |
| perlDreamer1 | I just picked a bad title for a Post | 07:15 |
| @rizen | i'll have to get Haarg to look into that. =) | 07:15 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7746 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (28 files in 3 dirs): fix all the templates that I broke with my stupid/wonderful template script | 07:21 |
| perlDreamer1 | rizen: templates fixed | 07:26 |
| @rizen | fine fix the templates | 07:27 |
| @rizen | see if i care | 07:27 |
| perlDreamer1 | I _could_ break them again... | 07:27 |
| @rizen | haarg would be mad at you | 07:27 |
| perlDreamer1 | He'll already be mad at me for the ~~~ title bug | 07:28 |
| @preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/bazaar/underground-style <- clickwhoring! | 07:30 |
| @rizen | why is that click whroing? | 07:31 |
| @preaction | because you had to click on it to see what i was talking about, thus upping my click count | 07:32 |
| perlDreamer1 | I can't get to that URL | 07:32 |
| @rizen | so you just decided you wanted to make a new cool template for peeps? | 07:34 |
| @preaction | first of many i suspect | 07:34 |
| @rizen | nice | 07:34 |
| @preaction | need to flex my design muscle | 07:34 |
| @rizen | is this practice for the upcoming two trainings you have? | 07:34 |
| perlDreamer1 | kick rogier's butt, dude | 07:35 |
| @preaction | it wasn't initially, but halfway through i realized it'd be good practice | 07:35 |
| perlDreamer1 | and it doesn't say who uploaded it | 07:35 |
| @rizen | the style looks nice | 07:35 |
| @rizen | i'm still pleased that i put in the time with the bazaar, but i'm a little disappointed that there hasn't been more uploading or more purchasing for that matter | 07:36 |
| perlDreamer1 | yeah, me too | 07:36 |
| @preaction | if i'm subscribed to the item, will i get notifications of comments? | 07:44 |
| @rizen | yes | 07:45 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7747 /WebGUI/docs/ (27 files in 2 dirs): backport the fixed templates that I broke with my stupid/wonderful template script | 07:52 |
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| * perlDreamer1 goes to bed, because I'm old | 08:02 | |
| @rizen | indeed | 08:02 |
| perlDreamer1 | You young-ins, keep on working | 08:02 |
| @rizen | sweet dreams perl dreamer | 08:02 |
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| @rizen | anybody that's here: do you have a preference of one over the other of these: http://www.webgui.org/webgui/roadmap/features/new-new-content-menu | 08:11 |
| @preaction | one sec | 08:12 |
| @preaction | would they both function the same, just look differently? | 08:12 |
| @preaction | the important one being: would the nested tab menu remain open to the last one you were looking at? | 08:13 |
| @preaction | i like the nested tab menu one, it makes the admin accordian look nice and polished | 08:14 |
| @rizen | setting a cookie to keep track of which ones you have open or not could be done | 08:14 |
| @rizen | but that's not my primary concern, rather just how it should looks | 08:15 |
| @preaction | then the nested tab one, the second one | 08:15 |
| @rizen | my thought with the nested tab is that it's not substantially different enough from the accordian so it may be easy to get lost quickly | 08:15 |
| @preaction | use colors to differentiate the lower-level tabs | 08:16 |
| @rizen | as far as the tree one, it need not look like a file explorer tree...really we're just alking about the concept of + vs - or > vs V | 08:16 |
| @rizen | so you are saying you want an accordian within the accordion then | 08:17 |
| @rizen | ? | 08:17 |
| @preaction | the way it looks in my mind's eye seems that's the better option | 08:17 |
| @rizen | k | 08:17 |
| @rizen | of the people i've got answers to that question from, it's split about 50/50 right now | 08:18 |
| @preaction | nice | 08:19 |
| @preaction | the confusion about the lower-level accordians can be fixed, but the folder view thing can't really be made any more spiffy | 08:19 |
| @preaction | to me it seems a throwback from old windows | 08:19 |
| @rizen | again, the folder icons wouldn't be displayed | 08:20 |
| @preaction | but that is just the style i guess | 08:20 |
| @rizen | i may have to build both because everyone seems to be having trouble picturing exactly what they'll look like or how they'll work | 08:21 |
| @preaction | yeah, from a usability standpoint i can see that Folder view would be better | 08:21 |
| @preaction | so if we got a designer to jazz it up, that might be best | 08:21 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7748 /WebGUI/t/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add a test for importing product tables when the headers and fields are quoted | 08:22 |
| @rizen | one more option: http://www.webgui.org/uploads/-D/O-/-DO-oR4d2jff2-BaxZIxMQ/Picture-2.png | 08:30 |
| @preaction | so no multi-level at all? | 08:31 |
| @preaction | the extra clicks are good, imho. having to scroll is bad | 08:32 |
| @rizen | none of these are going be multi-level (categories inside of categories) | 08:32 |
| @rizen | just 1 level of hierarchy | 08:32 |
| @rizen | and this has that | 08:32 |
| @rizen | i don't like scrolling or clicking | 08:33 |
| @rizen | but the fact of the matter is we have a lot of damn assets | 08:33 |
| @rizen | so no matter what we do someone will be unhappy | 08:33 |
| @preaction | i'd prefer clicking to scrolling, though hovering could work (but hovering gets annoying) | 08:33 |
| @preaction | the only perfect solution would be a template :p | 08:33 |
| @rizen | hovering is bad | 08:34 |
| @rizen | and this isn't going to be a template | 08:34 |
| @rizen | i'm going to leave it flat like this until i can get more feedback | 08:37 |
| patspam | hi night owls | 08:43 |
| patspam | my money goes to the TreeView | 08:43 |
| patspam | but if you go with an accordion, I've had good success with the almost-official yui AccordionView widget (http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/yui-accordion/) | 08:45 |
| @rizen | interesting, we already have an accordion object based on yui | 08:46 |
| @rizen | but that one looks cool too | 08:46 |
| patspam | yeah, it's written by a Yahoo employee | 08:47 |
| patspam | and was featured on the yui blog (http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/07/25/accordionview/) | 08:47 |
| @rizen | patspam, why is your money on treeview? | 08:48 |
| patspam | no deep reason, just my "decide in 2 seconds what you'd rather use" choice | 08:49 |
| @rizen | thanks for the link to this accordion | 08:50 |
| patspam | np. I've actually got a TreeView inside an AccordionView on a dev site at http://p2.moodswings.net.au (admin/123qwe) | 08:51 |
| patspam | rizen: you done any sites where the data is encrypted prior to being stored in the db? | 09:11 |
| @rizen | not lately | 09:13 |
| patspam | i've been researching it a bit lately out of necessity | 09:13 |
| patspam | brain dump will probably hit the dev list at some point ;) | 09:14 |
| patspam | off the top of your head, would there be an easy way to get modperl to prompt the admin to enter a key at startup and then have that key stored in memory and shared across all modperl processes? | 09:15 |
| @rizen | no | 09:15 |
| @rizen | But why would you want that | 09:15 |
| @rizen | what if modperl crashes | 09:15 |
| @rizen | then all your data is forevr lost | 09:16 |
| @rizen | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/encryption-functions.html | 09:16 |
| patspam | i need to do crypt outside of the db | 09:17 |
| @rizen | these are all standard functions that you can use outside the db as well | 09:17 |
| patspam | doing it in modperl, as opposed to a separate process or a dedicated HSM would just be a first tentative step towards building a solution | 09:17 |
| @rizen | there are perl mods for each of these types | 09:18 |
| patspam | and having the key stored in memory is marginally more secure than keeping the key in the webgui config | 09:18 |
| @rizen | are you trying to encrypt data that is only in memory? | 09:19 |
| @rizen | not written out anywhere? | 09:19 |
| patspam | no | 09:19 |
| @rizen | then why bother with this? | 09:19 |
| patspam | all I'm thinking about is where you keep the key | 09:19 |
| @rizen | if you have to worry about the security of your in memory data you have bigger problems than encryption | 09:19 |
| @rizen | you eventually have to write it to disk somewhere, otherwise all the data that's encrypted will be lost forever if the process holding the key shuts down | 09:21 |
| patspam | not if the admin enters the key on modperl startup | 09:21 |
| @rizen | what happens if your server reboots in the middle of the night? | 09:21 |
| @rizen | he has to get up and type in the key? | 09:21 |
| patspam | yes | 09:21 |
| @rizen | so the site is down for the 20 minutes until he can get to it? | 09:21 |
| patspam | yes | 09:21 |
| @rizen | lame if you ask me | 09:22 |
| patspam | not for a large site with dedicated 24/7 monitoring team | 09:22 |
| @preaction | wouldn't full-disk encryption achieve the same goal? or partition encryption or whatever | 09:22 |
| @rizen | also...if you're relying on someone to type in a key | 09:22 |
| @rizen | then chances are *they* will be writing it down somewhere | 09:22 |
| @rizen | and that somewhere will likely be less secure than your server hard disk | 09:22 |
| @rizen | it could be a post it on their desk, or a file on their pda | 09:23 |
| @rizen | or a file on their laptop | 09:23 |
| patspam | preaction: file-system encryption doesn't help in this case. db encryption protects you from someone accessing your db server and/or your db backups | 09:23 |
| @rizen | any way you look at it, likely less secure than your server | 09:23 |
| patspam | rizen: I'm much rather have the key in their office rather than embedded in the webgui config file on a live server connected to the internet | 09:24 |
| @rizen | that's saying it's in their office | 09:24 |
| patspam | i can see what you're getting at, there is going to be human element | 09:24 |
| @rizen | laptops, briefcases, and pdas all leave the office | 09:24 |
| patspam | same admins have access to the modperl server | 09:25 |
| patspam | they can access the key from the webgui config file | 09:25 |
| @rizen | if you're concerned about it, set up a server inside your network behind the dmz that the web server can request it from | 09:25 |
| patspam | yeah that's the HSM approach | 09:26 |
| @rizen | in fact, you could put modperl behind one of those as well if you want | 09:26 |
| @rizen | internet / firewall / modproxy / dmz / modperl / dmz / database, ldap, and key server | 09:26 |
| patspam | modperl will be as secured as possible. having the key stored only in memory on the modperl server just gives you a slight improvement over having the key stored in a config file | 09:28 |
| @rizen | you could try doing readline input in preload.perl or a similar script | 09:28 |
| @rizen | but i don't know if it will work | 09:29 |
| @rizen | and i think it's a mistake | 09:29 |
| @rizen | humans are always less reliable for security than machines | 09:29 |
| patspam | yeah i played with that, wasn't sure if there was an apache way to share the key across processes though, aside from using something like IPC::ShareLite | 09:29 |
| @rizen | create a class with a global variable in it | 09:30 |
| @rizen | then you can access that variable from the code | 09:31 |
| @rizen | it will be shared across all processes | 09:31 |
| patspam | ah ok, as an "our" var? | 09:31 |
| @rizen | yeah...you can see how we do it in WebGUI::Config if you like | 09:31 |
| patspam | package variable? | 09:31 |
| patspam | cool, thanks | 09:31 |
| @rizen | yes | 09:31 |
| patspam | I'll check it out | 09:31 |
| @rizen | there's an apache way to do it too | 09:31 |
| patspam | PerlSetVar? | 09:32 |
| @rizen | $r->pnotes('wreConfig'); | 09:33 |
| @rizen | pnotes | 09:33 |
| @rizen | see /data/wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm for details | 09:33 |
| patspam | brilliant, thanks jt | 09:34 |
| patspam | my modperl fu is weak | 09:34 |
| @rizen | it worries me that i'm enabling your bad decision | 09:34 |
| patspam | heh | 09:34 |
| patspam | I'm thinking along the lines of a WebGUI::Crypt module where you can choose your provider | 09:35 |
| patspam | each provider will have short-comings | 09:35 |
| patspam | and then I'll wrap things like UserProfile fields so that you can choose to turn on crypt for certain fields using whatever provider you've chosen in your config file | 09:35 |
| patspam | the most basic provider will just have the key stored in the config file | 09:36 |
| patspam | more advanced providers would do encrypt/decrypt requests to a tamper-proof hardware security module (HSM) on the local network | 09:37 |
| patspam | and I'd add the same wrapping to Thingy fields, Survey2 fields, DataForm, etc.. | 09:38 |
| patspam | motivation is that I need to be able to encrypt all Personally Identifying Information (PII), thanks to Australian Privacy Laws | 09:39 |
| patspam | bad for performance and only improves protection against a limited set of attacks, but encryption is in vogue | 09:42 |
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| patspam | anyway, I'll put it in an email to the dev list so that everyone can tell me how insecure it is :) | 09:47 |
| @preaction | might be easier to put the crypt stuff in WebGUI::SQL | 09:50 |
| patspam | yeah, except that it will only be enabled for a limited set of fields | 09:51 |
| patspam | because anything you encrypt will make manual sql queries break, and you can no longer do ORDER BY etc.. on that field | 09:52 |
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| patspam | rizen: looks like pnotes only exist for the duration of a request | 09:56 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7749 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 9 dirs): | 23:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: - Rebuilt AdminBar. Now renders faster, and has categories in the new content | 23:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: menu. | 23:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: - Reconfigured asset configuration file properties | 23:08 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: dionak * r7750 /WebGUI/t/Operation/Auth.t: Adding test for Auth operation | 01:11 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7751 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: merge in a file needed for NotifyAboutLowStock | 02:43 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7753 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm: internationalize the submit button for email reset password | 02:43 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7755 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: merge in a missing change required for NotifyAboutLowStock | 02:43 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7756 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): | 03:11 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Fix product exporting and importing through the Shelf. | 03:11 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Note that sku entries in the import and export file are now varSku. | 03:11 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7757 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (7 files in 5 dirs): backporting product import/export fix | 03:11 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7758 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): various fixes and enhancements for the asset configuration stuff i checked in earlier | 03:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7759 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Let the product importer import files with windows style line endings. | 04:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7760 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting product importer bug fix | 04:08 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7761 /WebGUI/t/Config.t: update Config file test for new config file format | 06:07 |
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| elnino | umm. when did passthruHandlers get changed to urlHandlers in the conf file? | 07:33 |
| @preaction | 7.5.0 i think | 07:34 |
| elnino | OH. don't recall seing that in the gotchas... | 07:35 |
| elnino | what's { "^/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz$" : "WebGUI::URL::Snoop" }, supposed to do? | 07:36 |
| @preaction | put yourdomain.com/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz and see | 07:41 |
| elnino | funny. | 07:43 |
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| elnino | while doing an upgrade there is a staatement saying fixing erronious utf8 data may take awhile, could that have messed up my (r) registered tradmarks. I don't know how they were entered in by marketing but they are now all question marks. | 07:51 |
| elnino | fixing typos: while doing an upgrade there is a statement that says "fixing erroneous utf8 data, may take awhile". Could that have messed up the (r) registered tradmarks. I don't know how they were entered in by marketing but they are now all question marks. | 07:53 |
| @preaction | yes, that is what messed them up | 07:57 |
| @preaction | they were entered in the wrong encoding | 07:57 |
| @preaction | they should be using © and ® (the HTML entities) | 07:57 |
| elnino | They usually copy from MSWord. | 07:58 |
| @preaction | which is probably using cp-1291 (windows-specific formatting, somewhat compatible with ISO-8991 | 07:58 |
| @preaction | we're using UTF-8 now | 07:58 |
| elnino | ok. so did you allowed cp-1291 before, and now you won't? in otherwords, if they copy from word, will it "work" or will it display as a "?" from now on? | 08:02 |
| @preaction | it should work fine, conversion is done in perl on it | 08:03 |
| @preaction | the problem we had was ISO-8991 text was being stored in a UTF-8 field | 08:03 |
| @preaction | it worked fine, but it was not UTF-8 | 08:03 |
| @preaction | it should work, but you should not be copy/pasting from Word in any case | 08:03 |
| elnino | yeh, well, I'll tell them, but I can't control them from doing that. our hr gal hates webgui or any web browser wysiwyg editor because it "never looks right" when she pastes things in. | 08:05 |
| @preaction | of course it doesn't, Word does bad things to text | 08:08 |
| elnino | =) | 08:08 |
| @preaction | but nobody understands that it's Word's fault, of course | 08:09 |
| @preaction | just like it's IE's fault it can't view webpages correctly | 08:09 |
| elnino | I hear it ALL the time. Bill gates can't do wrong. | 08:10 |
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| elnino | back to urlhanders, it seems that I should be able to access uploads and extras but I'm getting a 404. Is that how it's supposted to be "handeled"? | 08:18 |
| @preaction | urlhandlers, yes | 08:18 |
| @preaction | but 404 probably not | 08:19 |
| @preaction | what's 404? just /uploads? | 08:19 |
| elnino | the handle listed for the uploads and extras is "passthru" but when I go to domainsite.com/uploads I get a 404 error - page not found | 08:19 |
| elnino | all five sites do this afteran upgrade, but I never bothere to look to see what happened before, so i don't know if it was a 404 before. | 08:20 |
| elnino | just poking around to see what does what. | 08:20 |
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| @preaction | are you sure it's 404 and not "Directory Index not allowed"? | 08:22 |
| elnino | ok. I SWEAR it was a 404, now it does say 403 forbidden. must have been cached. never mind. it works. =) | 08:23 |
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| BartJol | but he isn't online right now | 14:13 |
| Erik_ | Hi all | 14:14 |
| Erik_ | I have a question about Commerce in 7.5 | 14:15 |
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| BartJol | does anybody know whether I can run wre 0.8.5 with 5.5.x sites? | 15:40 |
| BartJol | with some config changes? | 15:40 |
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| Lisette | hi, i try to do a new version tag from an utility, but i have to commin manually, how to do this?, i have the next: my $versionTag = WebGUI::VersionTag->getWorking($session); $versionTag->commit; | 16:39 |
| topsub | lisette, is that not working? | 16:41 |
| Lisette | not | 16:41 |
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| topsub | I know another way to do it is off the obj you added | 16:41 |
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| topsub | so if you "addChild" off that obj call ->commit | 16:42 |
| topsub | This is what i have in many of my scripts to commit.. http://pastebin.com/m40d8216d | 16:43 |
| topsub | Which i believe is the same as what your doing | 16:43 |
| Lisette | i see, thanks | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:54 |
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| Lisette | what is cvv2 in the payDriver? | 17:17 |
| dionak | cvv2 is the security code on the back of a credit card | 17:21 |
| Lisette | thanks | 17:32 |
| Lisette | i can do a site map with the table asset of the database? | 17:33 |
| dionak | a sitemap is easily done with a navigation object | 17:39 |
| dionak | can someone tell me where the order email template lives in shop? | 17:41 |
| dionak | ah, found it | 17:42 |
| BartJol | via the shop in admin console | 17:43 |
| BartJol | mmm mustard after the dinner | 17:44 |
| dionak | i don't see it in the shop console. | 17:44 |
| BartJol | no it isn't, you're right | 17:44 |
| dionak | was just about to submit an rfe to add it. | 17:44 |
| BartJol | please enlighten me | 17:44 |
| @rizen | it's not in the shop console | 17:45 |
| @rizen | because you set it on each payment gateway | 17:45 |
| @rizen | each one can have it's own notification | 17:45 |
| dionak | ok, i see. the template is on the edit screen of the payment driver. thanks. canceling the rfe. :) | 17:46 |
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| Erik_ | does anyone here have in depth knowledge of WG 7.5 commerce? | 18:02 |
| Erik_ | very technical question here | 18:03 |
| @rizen | whether i answer or not depends upon what the question is | 18:03 |
| @rizen | shoot | 18:03 |
| Erik_ | we have an external product database | 18:04 |
| Erik_ | and under 7.4 I have made an interface between the commerce system and that database | 18:04 |
| Erik_ | so I could give a list or products and 'add to basket' links | 18:05 |
| Erik_ | now, under 7.5, I feel customers need to go 'into' a product to add it to the basket | 18:05 |
| Erik_ | so.. question 1 - is that so, that add to basket can onky be done 'inside' a product? | 18:06 |
| Erik_ | question 2 - is it possible, like under 7.4, to write a product plugin so I don't need WG's product tables? | 18:06 |
| @rizen | 1) you don't have to be viewing a product to be able to click a "add to cart" button, but you would have to know how to construct that button to match the product | 18:08 |
| @rizen | we couldn't do a generic add to cart button because every type of Sku asset has a different way of working | 18:08 |
| @rizen | it needs to have this flexibility so we can support all different kinds of skus | 18:09 |
| Erik_ | under 7.4, the link had a itemType parameter, so I could use my plugin. Does a similar system still work? | 18:09 |
| @rizen | there is nothing about 7.5 commerce that is similar to 7.4 | 18:10 |
| Lisette | how to do a map site by the database? | 18:10 |
| @rizen | 2) i have no idea how you did it without using webgui's product tables in 7.4, but yes you could write an asset in 7.5 that would allow you to sell products out of whatever table you want to | 18:11 |
| @rizen | you'd write a new sku asset to do it, and that asset would list the various products you have for sale, and then when you click "add to cart" it would have a configuration property of what thing you're actually selling | 18:12 |
| Erik_ | so, so how does the system know to use *that* plugin? | 18:13 |
| Erik_ | I can write and Sku asset, that's not really the problem. Problem is more the integration with the rest | 18:14 |
| Erik_ | thank you. I'll get writing :) | 18:16 |
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| @rizen | you just add it to your assets directive in the config file | 18:53 |
| @rizen | skus are all assets in webgui now | 18:53 |
| @rizen | oops, i guess he left | 18:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlbot rot13 MrHairgrease | 19:05 |
| perlbot | ZeUnveternfr | 19:05 |
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| * ZeUnveternfr thinks encryption is easy | 19:05 | |
| +ZeUnveternfr | =) | 19:05 |
| BartJol | mmm | 19:08 |
| BartJol | perlbot rot13 ZeUnveternfr | 19:11 |
| perlbot | MrHairgrease | 19:11 |
| +ZeUnveternfr | crap... | 19:11 |
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| BartJol | good encryption :) | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's really fast | 19:11 |
| BartJol | ans louzy security apparently | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: Any final thoughts on the product import csv header? | 19:29 |
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| metanil | is this the way, i should get the groupname? | 19:47 |
| metanil | my $group = WebGUI::Group->new($session, $group_id); #get group name here; | 19:47 |
| metanil | my $group_name = $group->name; | 19:47 |
| BartJol | looks about right | 19:48 |
| metanil | but i got, WebGUI::Operation::Group::www_editGroupSave. Root cause: Can't locate object method "stow" via package "WebGUI::MyCustom::Code" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm line 998 | 19:49 |
| BartJol | version? | 19:50 |
| metanil | 7.4.17-stable | 19:51 |
| metanil | BartJol: 7.4.17-stable | 19:51 |
| BartJol | what's that stow function? | 19:55 |
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| BartJol | that's indeed not available at Group.pm | 19:56 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: frank * r7762 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HelpDesk.pm: Fixed a bug in install script | 20:39 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7764 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: fix busted pod in Asset.pm | 20:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7765 /releases/ (5 files): removing incorrect release tags | 20:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7766 /releases/ (4 files): adding correct release tags | 20:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7767 /WebGUI/www/extras/accordion/accordion.js: fixed spacing problem | 20:39 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7768 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Editor is 98% finished. (still wrapping up final bits on drag and drop) | 21:17 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: chrisn * r7769 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): users may now customize the post received page for the CS | 21:50 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7770 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: bug fixes related to configurable asset properties | 21:50 |
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| ckotil | Im now running a hot backup of webgui. The backup is using a database that is a slave of my production webgui site. this makes it difficult to login. | 22:19 |
| ckotil | Is there a template variable that I can use to distinguish which site im currently on, to change the login url to the appropriate site? | 22:20 |
| ckotil | hrmm,a relative url might just work. | 22:20 |
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| ckotil | is there a template variable to print out the hostname of a site? | 22:42 |
| BartJol | hostname? | 22:46 |
| BartJol | like myserver.mydomain.com? | 22:46 |
| ckotil | yeah | 22:46 |
| BartJol | don't think so | 22:47 |
| ckotil | yeah, im considering a custom macro | 22:47 |
| BartJol | that would probably be the way to go | 22:47 |
| ckotil | i just need my login url to be dynamic so that the hotbackup will not use the production hostname to login | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | there's the company url macro | 22:47 |
| ckotil | that would almost work, but the hot backup uses a slave of the production database | 22:48 |
| ckotil | so the company url would be the same | 22:48 |
| ckotil | i need like %{HTTP_HOST} , the http variable | 22:48 |
| ckotil | i think its a cgi variable | 22:48 |
| @Haarg | why do you need the hostname if you want a dynamic url? | 22:49 |
| ckotil | the hostname needs to be dynamic | 22:49 |
| ckotil | the url will be the same | 22:49 |
| ckotil | i have a production site, and a hot backup. the backup gets rsync'd every 15 minutes, and uses a slave of the production db. so they are exactly the same. when you login on the backup, it takes you tot the production. unless you fudge the login url | 22:50 |
| BartJol | so you want a uname -n commando executed by a macro? | 22:52 |
| ckotil | i really want %{HTTP_HOST} to be returned. | 22:52 |
| ckotil | uname -n would work in most cases too. | 22:53 |
| ckotil | HTTP_HOST is more robust, since it can account for name based vhosts | 22:53 |
| BartJol | ah | 22:53 |
| BartJol | ok | 22:53 |
| BartJol | well, I don't think you can call that anywhere standard | 22:55 |
| BartJol | so a macro it will be | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: ^Env(HTTP_HOST); ? | 22:55 |
| BartJol | ooh | 22:55 |
| ckotil | oh yeah? | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | That's just a guess | 22:55 |
| ckotil | hell yeah!! | 22:55 |
| ckotil | it seems to exist. | 22:56 |
| * ckotil tries | 22:56 | |
| BartJol | I thinkI translated that a looong time ago | 22:56 |
| * BartJol is bringing his bike outside | 22:57 | |
| ckotil | pd: that worked! thanks man | 22:59 |
| ckotil | Env wasnt defined in my config, but once I mapped it out. works like a charm. | 22:59 |
| ckotil | now I can use H:T:E to make this work ;) | 23:00 |
| ckotil | or wait. | 23:00 |
| ckotil | macro's are processed after H:T:E | 23:00 |
| ckotil | still gonna have to do custom macro to serve up the proper url | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | you are using encrypt login? | 23:07 |
| ckotil | yeah | 23:07 |
| ckotil | so i have to account for that as well. I was going to try and use modrewrite to pull that off. | 23:07 |
| ckotil | im using a custom SSO auth too. cosign | 23:08 |
| ckotil | but w/ a custom macro, i can serve up the exact url I need , depending on which site a user is originating from | 23:08 |
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| elnino | hi. I got two workflows that are suspended in spectre and when I click RUN via the admin console, I get "undefined". I've tried restarting spectre this is 7.5.24 and wre .085 Any thoughts? | 23:17 |
| BartJol | something in the log? | 23:21 |
| elnino | WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of alsdgoausdweuffgjhkfuygr | 23:24 |
| BartJol | ah, that covers a lot "Something bad" :) | 23:25 |
| elnino | yeah. | 23:25 |
| BartJol | that string looks a bit strange to me | 23:25 |
| elnino | It's coming from spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_even[1012] | 23:26 |
| BartJol | mostly there are also capitals or numbers in there, still not impossible though | 23:26 |
| elnino | well, that string is the ID, I didn't bother typiing it for real. | 23:26 |
| elnino | =) | 23:26 |
| BartJol | ah | 23:26 |
| BartJol | what does it say when you go to /data/WebGUI/sbin and give the command perl spectre.pl --run --debug? | 23:29 |
| elnino | that's where it is.. I was looking for it. It's been a while... | 23:30 |
| elnino | hold on. | 23:30 |
| elnino | Can't locate POE/Component/IKC/ClientLite.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ../lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at spectre.pl line 22. | 23:30 |
| elnino | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at spectre.pl line 22. | 23:30 |
| elnino | that's not good. | 23:30 |
| BartJol | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 23:31 |
| BartJol | I think tehe environment isn't good | 23:31 |
| elnino | there it goes.. hold on. | 23:31 |
| * BartJol seeking grip | 23:32 | |
| elnino | well. they haven't gone thru, but I created a new one and moved the old changes to the new verstion tag, commited IT and IT went thru. | 23:34 |
| elnino | I guess they are stuck in lala land. | 23:35 |
| BartJol | joy | 23:35 |
| elnino | that doesn't give me any warm fuzzies. | 23:35 |
| BartJol | ah, lalaland, probably the place where all the left socks go | 23:35 |
| elnino | It IS!! Have you been there!?!?! | 23:35 |
| BartJol | still planning a trip | 23:35 |
| BartJol | had any hickups in the server lately? | 23:36 |
| elnino | well, just an upgrade last night, which went smoothly. | 23:37 |
| BartJol | version tag was already there when upgrading? | 23:37 |
| elnino | it must have been. I didn't look to be honest. | 23:38 |
| BartJol | changelog does not mention anything with versioning | 23:39 |
| BartJol | but... | 23:39 |
| elnino | there were a lot of changes, from 7.4.40 to 7.5.24, with the moving of changes between version tags, and with a start and end dates new functionality | 23:39 |
| BartJol | ah, that was the upgrade | 23:39 |
| elnino | I've "empted" the two stuck version tags. and am going to set the "begin" date for tomorrow to see if they go thru. | 23:39 |
| BartJol | well, I can imagine that that could have caused some trouble | 23:40 |
| ckotil | the custom macro works like a charm. :) | 23:42 |
| ckotil | I call the http_host env variable and build the login url. | 23:42 |
| BartJol | the custom ^Env(); macro? | 23:42 |
| ckotil | that didnt work for me. but i used the basic idea of that macro. | 23:43 |
| BartJol | nice | 23:43 |
| ckotil | fetch http_host env variable, then build the login url and return it via the macro | 23:43 |
| BartJol | that sounds doable | 23:43 |
| elnino | is there a cool macro that I use that lists the subscriptions I have on the site? and is there a way to unsubscribe? | 23:46 |
| BartJol | I think a sql report would be nice for that | 23:47 |
| ckotil | plainblack list subscriptions on www.plainblack.com | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron: "hay guies Your post has been received " | 23:48 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, oh dear | 23:48 |
| * apeiron blushes | 23:48 | |
| +perlDreamer | How about ^International(439); instead | 23:48 |
| BartJol | eh, is that in i18n? | 23:48 |
| BartJol | and I missed it? | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | or, better yet | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | ^International(post received,Asset_Post); and ^International(439); | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I need a new thinkgeek-type shirt | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of "I read your email" | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs to say | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | "I read your SVN commit logs" | 23:50 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, cafepress or such? | 23:50 |
| BartJol | I'm almost sure perlDreamer also checks my Dutch | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | is PB.com broken? | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | The link to the participate page doesn't work for me | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I get the WSOD | 23:52 |
| @Haarg | it was broken | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | then i broke it more | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | fixing is in progress | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | ok | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry about breaking the bug system, btw | 23:53 |
| BartJol | overload in fixing? | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | how so? | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | the ~~~ thing? | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | yeah, well that code needs to be changed anyway | 23:54 |
| @Haarg | probably use guids or some such | 23:54 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Another "what not to do" with wG programming: adding a new template to an asset without changing the upgrade script to add the DB field for it. | 00:05 |
| elnino | I'm looking at the mySubscriptions Macro on the bazaar, and it comes with a template. So I'm making the template, but I don't see the macro as a choice for Namespace. Is there a why for the macro to show up in the list? I'll update the wiki if someone knows. | 00:16 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: chrisn * r7771 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (2 files in 2 dirs): I'm dumb, fix the default post received upgrade path and package. Thanks, perlDreamer. | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | elnino, it lists namespaces that already exist | 00:20 |
| @Haarg | which makes it a bit odd to create new ones | 00:20 |
| @Haarg | you can create your template as a different namespace | 00:21 |
| elnino | well, it's a new macro with it's own template. | 00:21 |
| @Haarg | then use sql to alter it | 00:21 |
| @apeiron | AFAIK it doesn't need a namespace since it looks up the template by ID. | 00:21 |
| @Haarg | that is true | 00:21 |
| @apeiron | In other words, add the template, call the macro with the template ID, and it'll fetch it directly, no namepsace needed. | 00:21 |
| elnino | but I did just see a newsletter/mysubscriptions. Maybe there is already a macro to list mysubscriptions? | 00:21 |
| @Haarg | since there is no ui for selecting templates on macros | 00:22 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: sorry if i sounded harsh yesterday about the change you made on imports | 00:23 |
| BartJol | elnino: that's not the way you want to display all subscriptions, right? | 00:24 |
| elnino | Since there is already a namespace called newletter/mysubscription - I'm wondering if 7.5.24 already has the capabilities of listing my subscriptions - so I don't need the one from the bazaar | 00:24 |
| elnino | I just want to see "my subscriptions" =( | 00:24 |
| elnino | I was going to see if the macro from the bazaar worked. | 00:25 |
| elnino | and I'm assuming "subscriptions" being subscriptions to forums, newsletteers, etc. | 00:26 |
| BartJol | it should, but only from 1 newsletters asset | 00:27 |
| elnino | oh. I want to know all my subscriptions SITE wide. any such thing? | 00:28 |
| BartJol | well, I still think that a SQL report could be the solution | 00:29 |
| BartJol | select * from subscriptions where userId=?, ^userId; | 00:30 |
| BartJol | or something like that | 00:30 |
| BartJol | probably combining a few tables to get it nice and need | 00:30 |
| elnino | ok. ididn't know if that suggestion was directed to me or some other converstaion. ckotil said that plainblack list subscriptions on www.plainblack.com, I'm assuming he was refering to the macro, or thought that I was able to login to plainblack to see what they did. | 00:32 |
| elnino | I'll do both, see where this goes, we're kinda playing around with newsletters. I'm assuming that a subscription is a subscription they are all cs wobjects anyway, right? | 00:33 |
| BartJol | table is Newsletter_subscriptions; | 00:34 |
| BartJol | but you should check whether in the CS there is a same kind of field | 00:34 |
| BartJol | Subsciption is actually also a wobject with connection to the event manger | 00:35 |
| BartJol | so that wouldn't be the right table | 00:36 |
| BartJol | If I am correct, you add yourself to a group when subscribing to a forum | 00:38 |
| BartJol | so it will be an elaborate sql statement | 00:39 |
| BartJol | better two statements | 00:39 |
| BartJol | but I have to go to bed now | 00:39 |
| elnino | that's fine, I'v got the db schema handy. Thanks for your help! | 00:40 |
| BartJol | have to get up early tomorrow | 00:40 |
| BartJol | np, I'm learnin a lot this way | 00:40 |
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| elnino | oh.. Am I reading the dbschema right? subscription describes three things? eventmanager stuff, newsletter stuff, and collaboration system stuff? one term for three thigns is confusing.. | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | same term used in three places | 00:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can subscribe to a cs | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and a newsletter | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and while I'm not sure about the eventmanager stuff, I'm sure the term is applicable there as well | 00:48 |
| elnino | and a newsletter ISN"T a CS, that's what I just gathered from the dbschema | 00:48 |
| elnino | I thought it was. | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it is | 00:48 |
| @rizen | elnino there are two "subscription" concepts in webgui | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it inherits from Collaboration.pm | 00:49 |
| @rizen | 1) there is a Subscription sku asset | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | For being added to a group when you pay | 00:49 |
| @rizen | which is for selling access to some area of the site | 00:49 |
| @rizen | 2) there is a "subscribe" to some function, which sends you an email | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it adds you to a group for free | 00:50 |
| @rizen | which is used in things like bazaar and CS | 00:50 |
| @rizen | and both of them are just adding you to a group | 00:50 |
| @rizen | so theya re athe same concept | 00:50 |
| @rizen | as pd suggests | 00:50 |
| @rizen | they are just free vs paid | 00:50 |
| elnino | So the subscription Table covers both? | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:50 |
| @rizen | the subscription table | 00:51 |
| @rizen | is for the subscription sku | 00:51 |
| @rizen | but it doesnt' store subscriptions there | 00:51 |
| @rizen | it just stores subscription properties | 00:51 |
| @rizen | the thing you're trying to seel | 00:51 |
| @rizen | the actuall subscriptions are still stored in a group | 00:51 |
| @rizen | all subscriptions are just a reference to a group | 00:51 |
| elnino | ok. that works. Ill rewrite this up for a wiki. | 00:55 |
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| elnino | HOw then is subscribing to a thread work? Is it a virtual group of some sort/ | 00:57 |
| elnino | ? | 00:57 |
| @preaction | not a virtual group, a real group that just doesn't show up in forms | 01:00 |
| elnino | ok.. and to unsubscribe I delete myself from the group? can users do that? | 01:10 |
| @preaction | yes | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, sorta? You can't directly access the group, but you can unsubscribe from a CS | 01:11 |
| elnino | ok. I can work with "sorta" =) | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if you went looking to do that as a user through the group Admin screen it wouldn't show the group | 01:13 |
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| dionak | when i view op=auth, i see a link for 'see my friends' and 'view inbox'. anyway to easily turn off those options? | 01:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak: nope | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | but there may already be an rfe for that | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I know others have asked for it | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | the code is in Operation/Shared.pm, sub accountOptions | 01:50 |
| dionak | thanks. yea, that would be a nice RFE since there is no css to hook onto. | 01:51 |
| dionak | not sure where it would live in admin tho for configuring | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | something in settings that says: Do you want to use the Inbox? Sub note: If you don't version control and other functions may not work well. | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and Friends, and Private Messaging | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Likewise with Friends. Disabling that will affect some Gallery functionality. | 01:53 |
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| dionak | makes sense. Btw, I found the RFE. Arjan is suggesting to break out the links into separate template variables which would also be great b/c it could more more markup from code (the unordered list). | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I call an iceberg RFE. | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | It's 5 minutes of coding | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and 2 hours of template hacking | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and 1 hour of template variable help work | 01:58 |
| dionak | lol | 02:00 |
| dionak | the template variable bit would get part of the RFE. Sounds several users have wanted to be able to configure it from the admin. | 02:00 |
| dionak | didn't you say in your talk on contributions that if it's rated, a patch would be considered? | 02:01 |
| dionak | or am i mistaken? | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | You are not mistaken. | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I would develop the patch and address everything I mentioned. | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | then post back to the RFE with the patch (against 7.6) and email JT as a reminder. | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | If he says it's good, then commit it | 02:02 |
| dionak | ok, let me see what i can do. would you mind reviewing it for me if i feel that's needed? | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Sure! | 02:02 |
| dionak | great! thanks | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Know how well you code, all I'm likely to say is "needs tests". | 02:03 |
| dionak | yes, that would be expected. | 02:04 |
| dionak | you can probably tell me where or know of convention a bit more than I. That is usually what's most helpful. | 02:05 |
| dionak | or just answering a question, which you do all of the time. | 02:05 |
| dionak | much appreciated | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. | 02:08 |
| dionak | looks like accountOptions is called in a few places and gets put into a single variable. like Operation/Profile.pm line 234 | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:10 |
| dionak | what were you thinking of re: the 5 minutes of coding? | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | 5 minutes is probably too little | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | accountOptions would return a hash instead of an array | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | then, inside accountOptions, all the logic for enabling or disabling certain fields would be added | 02:12 |
| dionak | and the code calling accountoptions would need to change to handle the hash. instead of 1 variable, the hash from accountoptions would probably need to be mapped into the template var hash. | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | %vars = (%vars, %accountOptions); | 02:13 |
| dionak | how would you add the settings to the admin? look at an existing yes/no and copy that idea? looks like all the admin settings are in the settings table | 02:16 |
| dionak | i see operation/settings handles the admin settings. i'll look a bit more in there | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | In addition to the UI, you need to add some code to an update script | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->setting->add ? I think it is | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that will handle the db code for you | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, $session->setting->add('field', 'value'); | 02:20 |
| elnino | hi dionak! | 02:21 |
| dionak | what update script? is this a WG upgrade script? upon a quick look, i'm thinking i can add the configure fields to the definition | 02:21 |
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| dionak | hey elnino! you've been pretty busy lately. been seeing you on a lot | 02:22 |
| elnino | I'm up to 4 webgui sites. and they are finally using the latest and greatest 7.5.24! | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak: yes, a wG upgrade script. docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl or similar | 02:23 |
| elnino | please tell william, I'm not ignoring him. I've been getting his emails. | 02:23 |
| dionak | haha, ok. i'll pass the message along. | 02:23 |
| dionak | pd, when i get that far i'll ask more after looking. | 02:24 |
| dionak | if needed | 02:24 |
| dionak | hey patspam | 02:24 |
| elnino | that goes for tavis too, I've been getting his emails too. =) | 02:24 |
| dionak | elnino, are you still game to do template testing once we get that far? | 02:25 |
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| elnino | yes, I have a couple more sites coming along that I can try using the ones available, (I forgot where they were). I hadn't heard anything, I thought maybe no one liked me. =( | 02:26 |
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| patspam | hey dionak! | 02:29 |
| dionak | yea, well. after you made fun of JT and later got us kicked out of the bar for dancing on the tables....it was a challenge. | 02:29 |
| dionak | no more tequila for you lady | 02:30 |
| elnino | sorry. | 02:31 |
| elnino | I won't do it again. | 02:31 |
| elnino | I have responsibilites now. | 02:32 |
| elnino | dionak - do you remember where the templates are on pb that they have so far? would it be of value to try those out? | 02:33 |
| elnino | or are they too old? | 02:33 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7772 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add support for the original sku entry in the header. | 02:35 |
| elnino | hey patspam, never did get back to the email server. I just keep hoping it will configure itself. =) I'll get back to it again here shortly. | 02:36 |
| elnino | did you have a good fathers day brunch? | 02:36 |
| patspam | ah ok, was wondering how you went with that | 02:36 |
| patspam | yeah it was funny, took him to a place that's usually booked out on mothers day, and it was almost empty.. i guess people don't take their dads out to brunch | 02:37 |
| dionak | elnino, i'm looking.. | 02:38 |
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| elnino | patspam, that's too bad for the dads, somehow it's the moms that always get the attention. Dads need to be recognized too!! | 02:39 |
| elnino | dionak I can look too, thoguth maybe you'd know off the top of your head =) | 02:42 |
| elnino | Who else was on the "team"? | 02:42 |
| elnino | i'm stepping away.. I'll be back. | 02:43 |
| dionak_ | i found them. http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/new-default-webgui-templates?pn=3 | 02:43 |
| dionak_ | i just did a svn up, removed and added back a dev site and i'm missing db columns | 03:02 |
| dionak_ | lastPageViewed is missing from userLoginLog table | 03:02 |
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| elnino | dionak_ thanks! did you update them? or are you referring to soemthing else you're working on? | 03:20 |
| dionak_ | oh, my local webgui is borked b/c i'm missing db updates. was going to look at the templates. if you could look and offer feedback, that would be great. in the future, the template import will update the default templates instead of adding new ones. | 03:21 |
| dionak_ | can you see the WebGUI Templates Working Group under webgui.org/discuss? if not, we need to add you | 03:23 |
| elnino | Yes I do. | 03:24 |
| elnino | what do you mean by "template import"? | 03:24 |
| dionak_ | post comments there. | 03:24 |
| dionak_ | there's a package on the link i sent with templates. rogier set those up so it makes new templates, instead of updating the default. | 03:24 |
| dionak_ | if we setup the package to use the existing templates and alter those, default templates will be updated when we import the package instead of making new templates | 03:25 |
| dionak_ | template import = package import | 03:25 |
| elnino | ok. I'll import these. Are you wanting me just to try them out? or is it perfered that I use them on an existing site/design.I can do both. | 03:33 |
| dionak_ | i think just try them out for now and offer feedback | 03:35 |
| elnino | k. I should be able to look at them this week sometime. | 03:37 |
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| dionak_ | cool | 03:43 |
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| metanil | i got WebGUI::Operation::Group::www_editGroupSave. Root cause: Can't locate object method "stow" via package "WebGUI::MyCustom::Code" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm line 998 | 06:53 |
| metanil | when try to get group name | 06:53 |
| @preaction | you gave WebGUI::Group a different object instead of a session object (Which it was expecting) | 06:54 |
| metanil | i took $session from sub www_editGroupSave { my $session = shift; | 06:56 |
| metanil | preaction: I called by my custom method within that www_editGroupSave method, when new group is created (when gid = 'new'). | 06:59 |
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| metanil | Would this be ok? my $users = $group->getAllUsers(); | 08:50 |
| metanil | foreach my $user (@{$users}) { $user->username;} | 08:50 |
| @preaction | should be fine | 08:53 |
| metanil | i got Root cause: Can't locate object method "username" via package "ddOvdFzTgP2rgjRytd-97A" (perhaps you forgot to load "ddOvdFzTgP2rgjRytd-97A"?) :( | 08:54 |
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| @preaction | don't mean to be rude, but check the docs, they'll say what the method returns | 08:58 |
| @preaction | if it doesn't return what the docs say, or the docs are unclear, post a bug about it please | 08:58 |
| @preaction | that way we know what part of the docs need fixing | 08:59 |
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| Mech4221 | hi all... | 16:53 |
| Mech4221 | would there be any interest in a patch to the latest release build.sh to make wre build on AMD64 based Debian systems | 16:54 |
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| @rizen | Mech4221: absolutely | 17:01 |
| @rizen | please submit your patch to webgui.org/rfe | 17:02 |
| @rizen | 64 bit is one of the big features we're working towards in wre 0.9.0 | 17:02 |
| Mech4221 | um - would ya willing to be take a paste of the diff (its small ) - I'm not registered on the webgui site | 17:05 |
| Mech4221 | there's gotta be a pastebin around here somewhere... | 17:05 |
| Mech4221 | ahh - its in the topic :-) | 17:06 |
| @rizen | why aren't you registered on the site | 17:06 |
| @rizen | if you patched the WRE you are obviously a user | 17:06 |
| Mech4221 | rizen: no, actually - I've just a very tired and slightly annoyed evaluator :-) | 17:09 |
| Mech4221 | install was a _lot_ bigger pita then I had budgeted for | 17:09 |
| Mech4221 | but its done now, so life is good | 17:09 |
| @rizen | i'm sorry to hear that | 17:10 |
| @rizen | was it a pita because we don't yet support 64bit and that's all you run? | 17:11 |
| @rizen | or was there something else? | 17:11 |
| Mech4221 | pretty much - I lost out all around - I run debian, 64Bit only, and Xen instead of VMWare ... :-P | 17:12 |
| Mech4221 | some days, I just can't win :-) | 17:12 |
| Mech4221 | http://www.pastebin.ca/1214749 | 17:12 |
| Mech4221 | ^^ -- patch file | 17:13 |
| @rizen | thank you | 17:13 |
| @rizen | we do have a debian distro of the wre | 17:13 |
| @rizen | but not for 64bit | 17:13 |
| Mech4221 | Whee! Just about to whack the 'automated download and install of webgui' button :-D | 17:14 |
| @rizen | and we have a partner ProcoliX that has been talking about putting together a Xen image, but hasn't done so yet | 17:14 |
| Mech4221 | LOL - I have one of those now | 17:14 |
| @rizen | they're a Xen solutions provider or something like that | 17:14 |
| @rizen | if you put it up somewhere that i can get it | 17:14 |
| Mech4221 | if ya don't mind a debian based image - I'm running it in Xen now | 17:14 |
| @rizen | i'll publish it to sourceforge.net for you | 17:14 |
| @rizen | then others can share in your glorious work | 17:15 |
| Mech4221 | Umm - let me finish the automated download thingy and see if it works... | 17:15 |
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| @rizen | good call | 17:15 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:15 |
| Mech4221 | I rebuild wre totally from source, and I'm a tad worried all the pieces won't fit | 17:16 |
| Mech4221 | wow - that was fast... | 17:16 |
| Mech4221 | looks like it installed... | 17:16 |
| @rizen | webgui is actually quite small | 17:16 |
| @rizen | it's the prereqs that can kill you | 17:16 |
| @rizen | but it's those prereqs that give us some of the most amazing features =) | 17:17 |
| Mech4221 | heh - I'm really looking forward to a test drive.. | 17:18 |
| Mech4221 | some of the features I needed to evaluate didn't seem to be available on the demo system - like blogs ? | 17:18 |
| Mech4221 | Hmm - it started mysql, but not apache ?? | 17:18 |
| Mech4221 | does it default to using its own webserver like webmin does ? | 17:18 |
| @rizen | actually it's there, it's just not obvious | 17:18 |
| @rizen | in WebGUI the Collaboration System | 17:18 |
| @rizen | runs blogs and forums | 17:18 |
| @rizen | it's just a different template | 17:19 |
| @rizen | depending on what you want to do | 17:19 |
| @rizen | WRE Console does use it's own web server | 17:19 |
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| @rizen | that's because it can configre webgui | 17:19 |
| @rizen | sorry apache | 17:19 |
| @rizen | so if you screw something up, you still have a WRE console | 17:19 |
| Mech4221 | Hmm - that makes sense | 17:19 |
| Mech4221 | I gotta remember to add init scripts for the webgui local versions of mysql and apache | 17:20 |
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| Mech4221 | rizen: do you work for plain black ? | 17:21 |
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| SDuensin | Howdy. | 17:22 |
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| BartJol | rizen is plainblack | 17:22 |
| Mech4221 | ahh cool... | 17:23 |
| BartJol | well, the biggest mass portion anyway | 17:23 |
| Mech4221 | rizen: if you don't mind me asking - do you guys do custom devel. work for webgui? and if so - how far in advance are you guys usually booked ? | 17:23 |
| @rizen | yes | 17:23 |
| @rizen | yes | 17:24 |
| @rizen | it depends on the size of the project | 17:24 |
| @rizen | but we can usually get on a project within a couple of weeks of the request | 17:24 |
| @rizen | sometimes faster | 17:24 |
| @rizen | sometimes a bit longer | 17:24 |
| @rizen | email your request to dev@plainblack.com | 17:24 |
| @rizen | they'll get you a quote of time and money | 17:25 |
| @rizen | no charge | 17:25 |
| Mech4221 | oh cool - I'm hoping to be able to do stuff myself - but its good to know there is commercial support /development if we need it | 17:25 |
| Mech4221 | I was a bit concerned as the only thing that seems to come close to webgui is Typo3 - and that has a hellacious learning curve... | 17:26 |
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| Mech4221 | rizen: btw - my background is Zope and Plone (Python) - so webgui represents a big break from 'tradition' for us | 17:30 |
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| @rizen | i'm glad to hear that you're even considering us then | 17:30 |
| @rizen | a lot of places have 'religion' about that sort of thing | 17:31 |
| @rizen | i've got a meeting i've got to get to, but i'll be back later if you have other questions...thanks for the patch | 17:31 |
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| Mech4221 | oh - no problem - nice talking to ya :-) | 17:31 |
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| elnino | IS this: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/multi-site-setup-7.5 explaining how ONE webgui database can support multiple domains? | 18:27 |
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| @Haarg | looks like it | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | just not very well explained | 18:28 |
| elnino | =) | 18:29 |
| elnino | looks like www.domainsite.com would get recirected to www.mainsite.com/home2 or would the domainsite.com remain in the url? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | i'm not really sure | 18:32 |
| elnino | fair enough. I'll try it and mark up the wiki. | 18:34 |
| topsub | is your session Id aviable threwout all templates? | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | no, but there is a macro that will return it | 18:40 |
| topsub | ah.. * goes to look * | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | not enabled by default, you would need to add it to the config file | 18:40 |
| topsub | thanks haarg | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, can I ask you about svn rev 7742 and this line: | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | my $webguiPath = Cwd::realpath(shift); | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | It's causing the Config test to fail | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | probably due to the fact that /data/WebGUI is a symlink | 19:08 |
| @Haarg | that would do it | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Should I alter the test to do the same? | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | it converts the path to an absolute path, tracing through symbolic links | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i would | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | basically, if you load a config then change directories | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | using relative paths | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | it breaks writing to the config | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | were those changes backported to 7.5? | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | no | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, then I won't backport the test fix | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | it could, but none of our code runs into it on 7.5 | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | if i backport it, i'll grab your test changes too | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Cool. | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | it only became a problem with the change i made to the upgrade script | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | since the upgrade script was loading the config files | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | and since the individual scripts ran in forks, they already had that loaded | 19:13 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 19:17 | |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm working on Asset/Asset.t, for reference | 20:30 |
| @Haarg | ok, rizen was looking at it too | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I've found one legit bug, just committed, and some more test maintenance is needed | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's not dying anymore | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | svn rev 7779 | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, something's wrong with the Config emitter | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's doing massive, ugly indentation | 20:41 |
| @Haarg | upgrade JSON | 20:42 |
| @Haarg | and JSON::XS | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Is that in the gotchas file? | 20:42 |
| @Haarg | no | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | testEnvironment.pl? | 20:42 |
| @Haarg | i don't think so, but i don't remember what version that trouble was in | 20:43 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7773 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: help the test track changes to Config.pm and how it handles paths | 21:06 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7774 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey.pm): minor changes to drag and drop | 21:06 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7775 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl: Haarg is a dirty bitch who says i should use warn instead of print | 21:06 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7776 /WebGUI/t/ (Asset/Asset.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): protect against premature test failure corrupting config, remove debug code | 21:06 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: jt * r7777 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): fixes to match config file changes | 21:06 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7778 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset_diagnose.t: fix Asset_diagnose.t for new asset configuration | 21:06 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7779 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: fix a bug with looking up asset add privileges | 21:06 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7780 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: replace diag output with a comment | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | and there was great joy in the land of Testing! | 21:23 |
| dionak | yea! | 21:23 |
| dionak | haha | 21:23 |
| @rizen | pain and disdain | 21:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | woe to those who have caused the pain and disdain, for the wrath of rizen will be opun thee | 21:25 |
| @rizen | what if rizen has created pain and disdain upon himself/ | 21:25 |
| @rizen | ? | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | He will come with his macBook on Fire, and his winnowing fork (for each TeddyWedgers) in his hand | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | then it's an infinite loop | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but I fixed it | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's better | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, rizen: product import bug now works the old way, too. I still need to backport to 7.5 and test the fix there, too, though | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Tiffany found two bugs, and both are fixed in 7.6 | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and those bugs pointed out another bug, which I'll fix this week | 21:29 |
| @rizen | sweet | 21:30 |
| @rizen | though i walk through the valley of the shadow of perlDreamer, i fear no tests, for he is with me. his code and wit comfort me. | 21:38 |
| @rizen | I had no idea the Bible was so gay | 21:41 |
| @rizen | I don't understand why most bible thumpers are gay bashers. | 21:41 |
| @rizen | Take this passage for instance: | 21:41 |
| @rizen | Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. | 21:41 |
| @rizen | Your rod and staff comfort me? | 21:41 |
| @rizen | Come on, could that be any more gay? | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a shepherd metaphor | 21:41 |
| @rizen | That's more gay than Clay Aiken | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | but I see what you're saying | 21:41 |
| @rizen | i had to change the last line to " his code and wit comfort me." | 21:42 |
| @rizen | cuz i didn't want you to take it the wrong way | 21:42 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:43 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r7781 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: fix Asset.t. Safe references are not always safe | 21:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | maybe a more modern translation would be something like '...your guidance and counseling, they comfort me.' | 21:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Or your .44mag and baseball bat, they comfort me. | 21:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm no philosopher. | 21:45 |
| @preaction | your malt liquor and chicken wings | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | your lawyers and your patent portfolio? | 21:45 |
| @rizen | now that's a god i can get behind | 21:45 |
| @rizen | not the lawyers | 21:46 |
| @rizen | the chicken wings | 21:46 |
| dionak | bible thumpers are gay bashers b/c they are gay rizen... | 21:47 |
| dionak | very simple | 21:47 |
| @rizen | i agree with you dionak | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | It's getting close to perlDreamer's lunch time. Ease up on the food talk. | 21:47 |
| @rizen | you hate what you are but don't want to be | 21:47 |
| dionak | yep | 21:47 |
| @rizen | marshmallows, apple pie, turkey sandwich on rye | 21:48 |
| @rizen | french fries, mashed potatoes, mac and cheese | 21:48 |
| @rizen | pizza, ice cream, beer | 21:48 |
| @rizen | how you doing pd? | 21:49 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | All I saw was | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | $20 $20 ????? | 21:49 |
| @rizen | hehe | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | tempting, no gravy, pass | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | okay!, $20, $20 | 21:49 |
| @rizen | mashed potatoes and spicy gravy | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that's better | 21:49 |
| @rizen | i loves me some spicy gravy | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Where does one get spicy gravy from? | 21:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Lots of pepper? | 21:50 |
| @rizen | my mom makes it...don't know how she does it...but they also have it at KFC | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Can't we just put it all into one TeddyWedger, anyway? | 21:50 |
| @rizen | indeed | 21:50 |
| @rizen | pd, i'm disappointed. we didn't have a teddy wedger while you were here this year | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I know | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have to come back | 21:52 |
| @rizen | indeed...and wouldn't it be something if Colin Kuskie won the Colin Kuskie award? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | For a TeddyWedget, I'll come if I win or not | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but you need a better picture for next year | 21:54 |
| @rizen | you need to give me one then | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll work on it | 21:55 |
| @rizen | i think one of your head on a conan body would promote strength | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | or massive fits of laughter | 21:56 |
| @rizen | yeah, but they would be massive fits of *strong* laughter | 21:56 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7782 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Editor is done except for prettifying it, but you can now build a survey with the new data layer | 22:50 |
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| topsub | anyone fill me in where is it i can tweak the thread_cache settings? | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, are those WebGUI settings? | 22:56 |
| topsub | mysql settings | 22:57 |
| topsub | alter the number of cores in a server | 22:57 |
| topsub | it was in JT's talk but i can't recall nor found a post yet on webgui.org about it | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | didn't get a copy of the slides? | 22:58 |
| topsub | no | 22:58 |
| topsub | are they still up? | 22:58 |
| @preaction | they should be | 22:59 |
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| topsub | found them, they are in wre/etc/my.cnf | 23:04 |
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| elnino_ | hi. looking at the survey in 7.5.24. I thought it was totally revamped. Was I dreaming at the conference? Maybe I was seeing somethign from 7.6? | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | 7.6 is getting the new survey | 23:09 |
| elnino_ | ah.. how soon is that coming? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, you're beating on a dead perlMonkey2 | 23:12 |
| elnino_ | huh? | 23:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah.....if I can keep on track we should have something in the next few weeks. Unless rizen wants 100% all frills and whistles, there could be something ready in svn by Friday. | 23:13 |
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| @Haarg | it won't be in the first releases, but 7.6 will go stable in january iirc | 23:13 |
| elnino_ | cool.I can wait. thanks! | 23:14 |
| elnino_ | hey tavisto, I haven't ignored you , even though it may seem like it. | 23:17 |
| elnino_ | yikes. I thought books were $60 on the web, and were discounted to $50 at the conference. They're $75? | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:20 |
| elnino_ | doh. | 23:20 |
| @tavisto | Hi elnino_ | 23:24 |
| elnino_ | hi... | 23:24 |
| @tavisto | I'm working on several right now but if you need help please feel free to ask me | 23:24 |
| @tavisto | if you want to submit bullet points for the "Search for a Solution" and "Results" sections, that's fine too | 23:25 |
| elnino_ | nothing to ask, other than can I have a discount on books? =) | 23:25 |
| dionak | quick question on urlHandlers. we're serving a calendar app under knowmad.com. can i just add a url handler like the one for extras and have the request pass through with all params included? any gotchas? | 23:25 |
| @tavisto | sure, we can give you a discount if you purchase more than 10 | 23:25 |
| elnino_ | no I was going to buy four.. | 23:26 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7783 /WebGUI/ (t/Group.t lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm t/SQL.t t/Macro/SQL.t): quiet some warnings | 23:29 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7784 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl: removing some unneeded templates | 23:29 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r7785 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.0 release | 23:29 |
| @tavisto | four different? | 23:30 |
| elnino_ | yep. | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | at some point i should look into the UNIVERSAL::isa warnings and report a bug | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | because it is calling isa as a method | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | we don't have discounts for that unfortunately | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | for now i just killed the module locally so i don't have to look at them | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | did you download the new WebGUI Primer as well? That's in .PDF format and it's free | 23:31 |
| elnino_ | that's fine. Never hurts to ask. =) | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, thank you for working on the tests! | 23:31 |
| elnino_ | yep. | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | elnino_, you could always create something and sell it in the WebGUI Bazaar and then use the money to buy your books | 23:33 |
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| elnino_ | I've uploaded some stuff, nothing worth buying. My boss is covering the cost. I jsut personally hate spending money. =) | 23:33 |
| elnino_ | even if it's someone elses' | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | well, don't think of it as spending money then. | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | Think of it being an investment into WebGUI | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | like buying tax data :) | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | get outta here perlDreamer, you used car salesman | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | stop trying to plug your wares! haha j/k | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | hey man, y'all take 30%. I'm just looking out for you. | 23:35 |
| elnino_ | =) | 23:35 |
| @tavisto | yeah, I guess you have a point. *Tavisto raises large "Buy Tax Data Here" sign and sets it up in the IRC channel* | 23:36 |
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