WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-09.log

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SynQ	hi there	00:26
SynQ	the airport has a fine network connection	00:26
SynQ	no one	00:51
SynQ	I just paid 6 dollar to irc with you guys ;)	00:51
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@perlmonkey2	wuc wuc wuc	17:09
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@perlmonkey2	No labor day fun for you!	17:43
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* rizen warms branding iron		17:56
@perlmonkey2	hah	18:10
@perlmonkey2	I've thought that instead of having a large JS lib that looks for new HTML returned from an AJAX call and makes the appropriate JS calls, to having a data member returned form JS calls that is simply eval'd. Anyone have any thoughts on using JS eval?	18:12
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+MrHairgrease	howdy!	18:39
+MrHairgrease	The DIF is home	18:39
+MrHairgrease	please tell the hotel bar they should stop stock piling Spotted Cow	18:39
+MrHairgrease	=)	18:39
@perlmonkey2	How was the trip back?	18:40
+MrHairgrease	fairly ok	18:41
@perlmonkey2	good good	18:41
+MrHairgrease	just cramped	18:41
+MrHairgrease	I just slept for about 4 hours or so	18:41
+MrHairgrease	so I'm fasing into the eurotrash timezone already	18:41
@perlmonkey2	could be worse I suppose.	18:42
+MrHairgrease	sure	18:42
@perlmonkey2	Your graphing asset was a big hit at the wuc.	18:43
@perlmonkey2	Very cool	18:43
+MrHairgrease	ok cool	18:43
+MrHairgrease	I thought it was okay	18:43
+MrHairgrease	but not as good as the acme presentation last year	18:43
+MrHairgrease	anyway	18:44
@perlmonkey2	ah, I didn't see that.	18:44
+MrHairgrease	if you do things to JT's mugshot you score easily with the audience anyway	18:44
+MrHairgrease	which I don't mind at all=)	18:44
@perlmonkey2	Hah, yeah, even JT thought that was good.	18:45
+MrHairgrease	Did the surveys tell that btw?	18:45
+MrHairgrease	or is it your opinion?	18:45
@perlmonkey2	I wouldn't be the one to ask about survey results, but from general PB talk after the event, your asset was a hit.	18:46
+MrHairgrease	Ok cool	18:46
+MrHairgrease	I liked colins webgui programming mistakes talk a lot	18:46
@perlmonkey2	Yes, very useful.	18:46
+MrHairgrease	winning a beer was the cherry on the cake	18:46
@perlmonkey2	Probably should be a seminar.	18:46
@perlmonkey2	hah	18:46
@perlmonkey2	You just liked it cause you hauled in a huge score.	18:47
+MrHairgrease	That, and I like interactive sessions	18:47
+MrHairgrease	I think we need more of those next year somehow	18:47
@perlmonkey2	Absolutely	18:47
@perlmonkey2	It also makes it much easier on the presenter.	18:48
+MrHairgrease	I'm not sure about that	18:48
+MrHairgrease	for instance colin's talk must have cost him a lot of time to prepare	18:48
+MrHairgrease	and you'll have to be able to get your audience participating	18:49
@perlmonkey2	Yeah, would probably only work in presentations where the presenter has a 'hook' to get the audience going.	18:49
+MrHairgrease	That only works if you get the subject of the talk just right.	18:49
+MrHairgrease	right	18:49
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doc777	Hey everyone. I have a strange issue with httpproxy... integrating a help desk into site using httpproxy works great... until a page has <input type=file> Then the page turns blank and displays nothing ;)	19:14
doc777	I do not see anything in any of the log files but something certainly happens. Does webgui block file attachments in httpproxy?	19:15
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@perlmonkey2	Why would testEnvironment say that Archive::Zip is not installed when it is installed (x64 though)?	20:11
+MrHairgrease	did you use setEnve first?	20:11
+MrHairgrease	otherwise i dunno	20:12
@perlmonkey2	I'm not using the WRE. Can't seem to get WRE 8.3/4 to work with the Survey2 branch anymore.	20:12
@perlmonkey2	weird lib errors. Oh well, who wants to code when sys admining is so much more fun :)	20:13
+MrHairgrease	maybe it's the wrong version?	20:13
@perlmonkey2	guess I better stop whining and go find out what's wrong.	20:14
@perlmonkey2	is there a problem with wre8.4 not having DBD::Mysql and not being able to install it?	20:23
@rizen	not that i'm aware of	20:24
@perlmonkey2	That is certainly not a module that the WRE should be missing. But no matter how many times I blow away the wre dir, re-untar it and . setenv it is missing. And then it fails to make.	20:26
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@perlmonkey2	Has anyone had the 8.4 wre use up all available memory when starting mod_perl on x64 redhat?	01:06
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+cap10morgan	Has the EventsCalendar asset been removed? (as of 7.5.21)	01:09
@preaction	cap10morgan, the old one, yes	01:16
+cap10morgan	replaced by event management system?	01:17
+cap10morgan	or calendar?	01:17
@preaction	replaced by Calendar	01:18
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+cap10morgan	ok, thanks	01:22
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7389 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: set a default parameter hashref if none is passed to the set method of Workflow::Instance	04:44
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+Radix-wrk	Hmm.. Google Chrome looks very interesting - http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA35,M1	05:35
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7390 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm:	06:18
CIA-39	WebGUI: Fix a bug in the delete method, execute is passed an array ref.	06:18
CIA-39	WebGUI: Update POD about constructors/instanciators.	06:18
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SynQ	good night to you all :)	11:57
BartJol	morning	11:57
SynQ	the webgui.org is a lot faster today then it was last week :)	12:16
SynQ	I'm really pleased with that	12:16
BartJol	probably there were too many users constantly logged in :)	12:17
BartJol	or do we host the site now?	12:17
SynQ	no we don't	12:25
SynQ	I think someone has tuned it :)	12:25
BartJol	ah, has been to a certain presentation :)	12:26
SynQ	hehe	12:26
SynQ	how is your jet lag?	12:26
BartJol	well, I overslept today for a bit, but now I feel fine	12:27
BartJol	and you, had a nice meeting yesterday?	12:27
SynQ	no meeting	12:28
SynQ	I called to cancel it	12:28
SynQ	I got up quite in time today	12:28
SynQ	now I have to go and provision for our baby	12:28
SynQ	I'll be back	12:28
SynQ	l8ter	12:28
BartJol	doie	12:29
BartJol	doei	12:29
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SDuensin_	Greetings.	16:20
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snapcount	mad props to you guys on the JT for President bit	16:29
snapcount	that made me lol repeatedly	16:29
@khenn	it was pretty funny	16:29
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+snapcount	that news video had me going till the end	16:29
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@perlmonkey2	Is a graphic module required in <HEAD>?	16:39
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@perlmonkey2	http://pastebin.com/d5ba13b0e Does that make sense to anyone? That is the error message I get right before modperl uses up all memory crashing the machine. I've replicated this on two redhat machines now using wre8.3?4 and <HEAD>. The complaint appears to be that Image::Magick is not installed but perl -MImage::Magick says it broken: http://pastebin.com/d4b9fb492	16:51
@perlmonkey2	So does this mean that Image::Magick is broken on RH/Fedora?	16:51
ckotil	im using image magick on RHEL5	16:53
ckotil	ImageMagick-6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.1	16:53
ckotil	ImageMagick-perl-6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.1	16:53
@perlmonkey2	ckotil: So not the WRE?	16:53
ckotil	nope. from source	16:53
knowmad	perlmonkey2: does the Magick.so file exist at that path?	16:54
@perlmonkey2	knowmad: I guess I should probably check :D	16:54
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perlmonkey21	knowmad: Yes, that lib is there. Not sure what that tells me	17:01
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knowmad	perlmonkey2: it tells you the reason for the error message is not that the file was removed; have you tried doing a force re-install of PerlMagick?	17:44
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@perlmonkey2	knowmad: yes, and it fails to build in the wre	17:50
@perlmonkey2	Best as I can tell, this is the wrong version of the .so	17:52
xdanger	is there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ?	17:52
xdanger	I really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl	17:53
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xdanger	rizen: you just missed my question =)	17:54
xdanger	17:52 < xdanger> is there a way to include the url of the error in webgui.log ?	17:54
xdanger	17:53 < xdanger> I really can't find anything on the wiki about configuring the log4perl	17:54
@rizen	errors don't have urls	17:55
xdanger	I have some page that generates a error (I think there is a old sql-macro somewhere) but I can't seem to find it	17:56
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xdanger	I meant that if the error is generated in request, the url of the request could be found easyly	17:57
@rizen	nope, there's no way to do that	17:59
@rizen	at least not any way that i'm aware of	17:59
@rizen	is it a macro that you know the name of ?	17:59
@rizen	is it ^SQL();	17:59
@rizen	?	17:59
@rizen	if so, that's easily found	17:59
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xdanger	could be... but I have some errors sometimes that I wish could be quickly found with the url in the error message (like in apache log)	18:01
xdanger	but if the error is only warn, it doesn't print in to the modperl.error.log	18:01
xdanger	rizen: maybe I could appedn $self->session->url->getRequestedUrl(); to error messages in Session/ErrorHandles.pm?	18:03
@rizen	you could for all but fatals	18:04
@rizen	cuz there's not necessarily a session on fatals	18:05
xdanger	yep, I only need warn at the moment	18:07
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xdanger	is there a problem using: $message .= " url:".$self->session->env->get("REQUEST_URI"); ?	18:17
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+MrHairgreas1	howdy!	18:50
@preaction	howdy yourself!	18:51
+MrHairgreas1	is the weather in Madison still as nice?	18:52
+MrHairgreas1	It's generic Dutch weather over here	18:52
@preaction	it was pretty nice the other day, seems nice outside today too	18:52
@preaction	hard to tell in my living room, sky always looks hazy from my living room (i suspect the windows haven't been cleaned in a few decades)	18:53
@rizen	still sunny and nice in madtown today	18:53
+MrHairgreas1	hmm	18:54
+MrHairgreas1	maybe I should return then...	18:54
SDuensin	Hey rizen - I like the new Bizarre Bizarre.	18:54
@rizen	thanks SD	18:54
@rizen	i hope the rest of the community finds it useful as well	18:54
+MrHairgreas1	you mean the Bizarre as in the Bazaar with Kinky Items on it?	18:54
SDuensin	MrHairgreas1 - WHERE'S THAT!? Damn! I missed it!	18:55
SDuensin	rizen - I jumped right on and updated my useless macro entry. :-)	18:55
+MrHairgreas1	I think it was the special after hours session at the wuc	18:55
+MrHairgreas1	=)	18:55
SDuensin	Well, hell, you didn't tell me about THAT session!	18:55
+MrHairgreas1	Why would you wanna know?	18:55
+MrHairgreas1	You didn't attend anyway	18:55
SDuensin	May have changed my mind. :-P	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	hehe	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	well	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	all I can say	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	It involved spotted cows	18:56
SDuensin	Uh. Maybe we have different ideas of Bizarre.	18:56
+MrHairgreas1	maybe not	18:57
@preaction	were there also fat squirrels?	18:57
+MrHairgreas1	it more 'nice' than bizarre	18:57
+MrHairgreas1	i didn't have any	18:57
+MrHairgreas1	only cows for me	18:57
+MrHairgreas1	an a few butts	18:58
+MrHairgreas1	harharhar	18:58
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estiven	Hi	19:03
@preaction	hi	19:03
+MrHairgreas1	high!	19:03
estiven	I have a problem with my users.....	19:03
+MrHairgreas1	who hasn't =)	19:04
estiven	and i need delete all... exept the admin user...	19:04
estiven	how i can do that..?	19:04
@preaction	from the front-end you can delete one at a time	19:04
@preaction	you could use the UserList asset to make delete links for a lot of users	19:05
estiven	yes	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	the quick way is by removing all entries from the users and authentication tables	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	as well as	19:05
@preaction	you could write a utility script that can delete all the users you don't want	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	the profileData tables	19:05
@preaction	groupings, userProfileData, userLoginLog	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	and you'll have to take into account grouping as well\	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	indeed	19:05
+MrHairgreas1	a utility script would be best	19:06
+MrHairgreas1	1) do a query on the users table to fetch all id's	19:06
+MrHairgreas1	2) do a foreach on those id's	19:06
estiven	yes	19:07
+MrHairgreas1	for every id matching a 22 character guid do	19:07
+MrHairgreas1	WebGUI::User->new($session, $id)->delete;	19:07
+MrHairgreas1	that would do your stuff	19:07
+MrHairgreas1	please check out the pod of WG::User	19:07
@preaction	yeah, make sure you don't get uid "1" and uid "3"	19:07
@preaction	but ->delete() wouldn't allow you to delete those anyway	19:08
estiven	jmm	19:08
+MrHairgreas1	jmm?	19:08
+MrHairgreas1	oh	19:09
+MrHairgreas1	hmm =)	19:09
estiven	jeje yes	19:09
+MrHairgreas1	i see	19:09
+MrHairgreas1	just use _utility.skeleton (or something like that) in sbin to start with.	19:09
estiven	Ok, I try to do it	19:10
estiven	Thanks	19:10
+MrHairgreas1	sure	19:10
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juan	sometimes my webgui.log is show me the next error:	20:25
juan	http://www.webgui.pastebin.com/m7dcde5c1	20:25
juan	i have tried to fix it but i don't know what is it about?	20:25
CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7391 /experimental/Bazaar/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Sku/BazaarItem.pm Wobject/Bazaar.pm):	20:28
CIA-39	WebGUI: moved keywords	20:28
CIA-39	WebGUI: fixed problem with comments deleting	20:28
juan	http://www.webgui.pastebin.com/m18a8846d	20:31
juan	those are 2 errors	20:31
+MrHairgreas1	juan: you probably have too many inodes in your cache folder	20:32
+MrHairgreas1	that's what the Too many links thing means if i'm correct	20:32
+MrHairgreas1	try to purge your cache for that site	20:33
+MrHairgreas1	that shoudl help	20:33
juan	how can I do that?	20:34
+MrHairgreas1	In your admin console there's an option caching	20:35
+MrHairgreas1	or just rm it by hand	20:35
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+MrHairgreas1	rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache/www.colegiosvirtuales.com.conf/	20:35
+MrHairgreas1	i'd try the admin console first	20:36
juan	yes	20:36
jlittlewood	hi folks. has anyone tried to tackle the bug with export tab delimited not working in 7.5.21	20:36
jlittlewood	?	20:36
juan	how can avoid it?	20:37
+MrHairgreas1	juan: you can't really	20:37
@Haarg	yes jlittlewood, i have a patch for it	20:37
jlittlewood	cash money	20:37
juan	ok	20:37
+MrHairgreas1	it's a problem with how FileCache writes it's stuff to disk	20:37
jlittlewood	haarg: can you send it my way or is it up somewhere?	20:37
+MrHairgreas1	I think there's an workflow in there somewhere that cleans it out for you	20:38
@Haarg	i don't have it out anywhere yet, just a sec	20:38
juan	ok	20:39
juan	thanks	20:39
@Haarg	jlittlewood, https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm?rev1=7391;rev2=7392;mime=text/plain	20:41
jlittlewood	haarg: awesome. thanks. any tips/instructions on applying this patch? (I've never done that before -- might end up being totally out of my league, but you never know.)	20:43
@Haarg	in this case it's simple enough you may want to just do it by hand	20:44
@Haarg	if you downloaded that, then ran "patch /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm < patchfile", it should work	20:46
jlittlewood	haarg: great. Do you know if this will go into 7.5.22?	20:51
@Haarg	it will	20:52
jlittlewood	haarg: thanks again.	20:53
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7392 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work	21:07
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@perlmonkey2	Anyone see a bug reported on Workflow being broken?	22:10
@preaction	perlmonkey2, no	22:11
@perlmonkey2	On two machines now using [HEAD] I've had the same error. One machine using source the other the WRE.	22:12
@perlmonkey2	strange	22:12
@perlmonkey2	no idea if it is me or my setup though.	22:12
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@perlmonkey2	This ring a bell with anyone? 2008/09/02 14:30:53 - ERROR - www.survey.com.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance '6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 334	22:31
xdanger	webgui's admin interface on google chrome is blazingly fast =)	22:33
topsub	xdanger do you have it for ubuntu or windows?	22:35
topsub	Seems its only for windows?	22:35
xdanger	windows for the moment	22:35
xdanger	but if you like you can build it from the source: http://code.google.com/chromium/	22:36
@preaction	perlmonkey2, yes. a tag got deleted before spectre could get to it. try restarting spectre?	22:37
xdanger	topsub: quite simple how-to: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux	22:37
@perlmonkey2	preaction: same error even after restarting	22:46
@perlmonkey2	I'll blow away this DB instance and see if that resolves things	22:46
@perlmonkey2	preaction: I just blew away the DB, recreated, restarted everything, and am getting the same error.	22:54
@preaction	perlmonkey2, same instance ID? 6bKOLsL6ngMXqpw5mb2X3g	22:54
@perlmonkey2	preaction: well no, it looks like none of the workflows are being ran	22:55
@perlmonkey2	new ids on most of them	22:55
@preaction	most or all?	22:55
@preaction	you might want to check in the WorkflowInstance table. there's a "parameters" column that, for those instances, will have a tagId for a Version Tag.	22:56
@preaction	first, check to see if the tagId exists in assetVersionTag and/or assetData	22:56
@perlmonkey2	okay	22:56
@preaction	next, check to see if that tagId and/or the instanceId exists in create.sql	22:56
@perlmonkey2	k	22:56
@Haarg	there shouldn't be any instances and only one tag in create.sql	22:57
@Haarg	if that ever isn't the case then i screwed something up	22:57
@perlmonkey2	preaction: the parameters column is an empty json struct	22:58
@perlmonkey2	empty hash	22:59
@preaction	then you can safely delete those instances from the WorkflowInstance table and restart spectre	22:59
@perlmonkey2	okay	22:59
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7394 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DataForm export tab delimited doesn't work	22:59
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@perlmonkey2	Okay, fresh db creation, just ran upgrade on it. Shoudl be completely clean. I'm going to edit an article and save it. And 100-1 it throws the workflow error.	23:02
@perlmonkey2	The worldflow instance is paramaters:{}	23:03
juan	i have many posts in a CS	23:14
juan	i want to send the link to a friend	23:14
juan	is there a macro to detect the current url for a thread?	23:15
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miloidrr	Hi I have a question about cs	23:32
miloidrr	I have a data form in a pl, in a cs templete im calling the data form with a ^AssetProxy macro	23:33
miloidrr	This form send the post to the user friends	23:34
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miloidrr	Can i put templates variables in the value of filds to catch the URL?	23:34
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elnino	Hi All! Hope you all had a create Labor Day weekend. Great WUC!!! Out of curiousity, are there downloads from the workshop? (tuesday/wednesday)	00:25
knowmad	Hi elnino. Yeah, that was a great WUC this year.	00:34
+MrHairgreas1	it sure was	00:35
+MrHairgreas1	are there any photos yet?	00:36
+MrHairgreas1	they seemed to have disappered from the wuc photo section	00:36
elnino	for those who missed it, you missed out. It was a bummer I missed tuesday/wednesday	00:36
elnino	knowmad: It was nice meeting you and DK. And maybe I met MrHairgreas1, but I don't know =)	00:37
+MrHairgreas1	me neither	00:37
elnino	did you teach any of the presentations?	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	I'm one of the dutch guys	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	yeah	00:38
elnino	well there's 14 of you.. wasn't there?	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	the presentation on the Graphing Plugins	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	the pretty one	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	=)	00:38
elnino	Yes, I was in your class, that was pretty funny - very well done!	00:38
+MrHairgreas1	Then we've probably met =)	00:39
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elnino	probably.	00:39
+MrHairgreas1	hehe, who are you if I may ask?	00:39
elnino	I was the one that showed up with a baby in hand at the end of the day friday - if you were a around. I dont' know if I actually intro'd myself.	00:41
+MrHairgreas1	I was there but it doesn't ring bells	00:41
+MrHairgreas1	oh well, the wuc was cool	00:42
@bopbop	MrHairgreas1: the wuc photos for this year are out there: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/photos	00:45
+MrHairgreas1	that's where I looked, but there are no photos at all anymore over there	00:45
+MrHairgreas1	not even those of previous wucs	00:46
elnino	confimed, just white space.	00:46
+MrHairgreas1	are they perhaps moved to a gallery somewhere?	00:47
elnino	I'm using ff 2.0 and IE - so it doesn't appear to be a broswer issue.	00:47
@Haarg	looks like a permissions problem	00:50
@preaction	it might be on purpose, JT was saying there were some performance issues with the thumbnails and slideshow pages	00:51
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@Haarg	should be viewable now	00:57
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SynQ2	good day to you	01:08
+MrHairgreas1	haarg: it works	01:21
+MrHairgreas1	a tad slow indeed	01:22
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SynQ2	ok	02:06
SynQ2	time for bed	02:06
SynQ2	nite	02:06
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CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7396 /branch/doug-experimental/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: finished DataTable work. just need to add WebGUI.i18n JS interface	05:18
topsub	where can i see mysql errors?	05:19
topsub	i can't get mysql to start for some reason and not sure where to go from here	05:19
topsub	is there a way i can kiill mysql or something?	05:19
@rizen	in /data/wre/var/mysqldata/HOSTNAME.err	05:20
topsub	when i try to start mysql i get "kill: 409: No such process" what is it doing? besides not starting	05:24
@rizen	it's spitting out an error message that reads: "kill: 409: No such process"	05:25
topsub	does this mean mysql is already running but wre doesn't know that?	05:26
@rizen	no it just means "kill: 409: No such process"	05:26
@rizen	i have no idea what that means though	05:26
@rizen	other than that mysql isn't starting =)	05:26
topsub	so its trying to kill 409 but there is no process	05:26
@rizen	2 things you should check	05:26
topsub	hmm when i do "top"i see a "mysqld" and mysqld_safe"	05:27
@rizen	1) ps aux\|grep mysql	05:27
@rizen	see what mysql processes are running and kill them	05:27
@rizen	2) look in /data/wre/var/mysqldata and see if there is a .pid file	05:27
@rizen	if there is, deleted it	05:27
topsub	when i run the ps aux \|grep mysql i get a list.. so i do a sudo kill #### then the pid number	05:35
topsub	they seem to come right back	05:35
@rizen	kill -9 ####	05:35
@rizen	the -9 means kill unconditionally	05:35
@rizen	kill ruthlessly	05:35
@rizen	murder that process where it stands	05:36
topsub	lol	05:36
@rizen	so i'm watching the republican national convention right now	05:37
+Radix-wrk	reiser style	05:37
@rizen	fred thompson gave an inspired speech	05:37
khenn_	I tivo'd it cause I got bored of watching veterans	05:38
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@rizen	but i'm noticing one huge difference compared to last weeks democratic convention	05:38
@rizen	hardly anybody looks happy	05:38
@rizen	very few people are smiling	05:38
@rizen	laughing	05:38
@khenn	I'm noticed that there are not as many people	05:38
@rizen	most just look mad	05:38
@khenn	but maybe cause it was early	05:39
@rizen	yeah, the upper decks are mostly empty	05:39
@khenn	so thompson was worth hearing?	05:39
@rizen	his speechifying was good	05:40
topsub	alright so i killed all mysql stuff and removed all the pids	05:40
@rizen	but his message was mostly smoke blowing	05:40
@rizen	but he was WAY WAY WAY better than laura bush	05:41
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topsub	thanks rizen finally got mysql starting again	05:52
topsub	don't know what happen	05:52
@rizen	topsub, try not sucking so much	05:53
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@rizen	that usually helps me	05:53
topsub	lol hey hey... make software that works!	05:54
topsub	auto fixing software would be pimp	05:54
@rizen	what are you complaining about	05:55
@rizen	it wasn't my software that wasn't working	05:55
@rizen	it was mysql	05:55
topsub	lol	05:56
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+Radix-wrk	Hmm.. tinymce editor in my version of webgui doesn't seem to like the new Google Chrome browser - doesn't open at all	06:21
+Radix-wrk	Seems to work on the current beta tho	06:22
+Radix-wrk	maybe it's time for me to look at upgrading our 7.0.8 webgui	06:23
@rizen	7.0 is pretty old by now	06:24
+Radix-wrk	yeah, we just haven't needed to change	06:25
+Radix-wrk	everything works so well as is	06:26
@rizen	understood	06:27
@rizen	webgui 7.0 is pretty good	06:27
@rizen	so many shiny new features in 7.5 though	06:27
@rizen	=)	06:27
@preaction	like the TinyMCE 3.0 series!	06:28
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CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7397 /branch/doug-experimental/ (6 files in 6 dirs): added WebGUI.i18n JS. started converting DataTable to using i18n	08:15
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wgGuest27	Hello, any news about when WRE 0.8.5 will be released?	12:27
BartJol	haven't heard any plans for it	12:29
wgGuest27	after WUC there was going to be a 0.8.5. version.. to fix 0.8.4	12:30
BartJol	ooh, then it might be soon	12:33
BartJol	I'm not sure, I've heard a planning for WebGUI itself	12:33
BartJol	but, since those bugs were quite serious I do suspect that it might be soon	12:34
wgGuest27	ok	12:35
wgGuest27	I'll check the site end of the week and we'll see ;-)	12:36
BartJol	that might be best	12:36
wgGuest27	Something else:	12:36
wgGuest27	Is it convenient as welll for small sites to split mod_prox/perl and/or the db server? When it comes to performance? What would a bottleneck be?	12:36
wgGuest27	In other words, which part requires best hardware for best performance?	12:37
BartJol	well, right now we have some sites which have all on the same server	12:37
wgGuest27	Guess mod_perl is on the third place?!?	12:37
BartJol	I'd think mod_proxy actually	12:38
BartJol	that passes most stuff through to mod_perl as far as I know	12:38
wgGuest27	ok..	12:38
BartJol	bu I guess that you can better combine both mod_perl and mod_proxy on 1 server	12:39
BartJol	if you have two	12:39
BartJol	and then the db on another	12:39
wgGuest27	ok..	12:40
BartJol	but that is the way I interpreted stuff	12:40
wgGuest27	You have a no. of sites on one server you say, since you do not require splitting, whats the size/traffic of a big site?	12:43
wgGuest27	Try to determine if is interessting at all to think about splitting WRE/DB...	12:44
BartJol	mmm, I'm not that specialised in those numbers, mostly doing WebGUI support, but try to work myself up to ubernerd :)	12:44
BartJol	sorry	12:45
BartJol	were you at the wuc?	12:46
wgGuest27	no	12:46
BartJol	alas	12:46
BartJol	it was fun	12:46
wgGuest27	I mean sites like 1Gb, 5Gb, 10Gb or 100Gb traffic...?!?	12:46
wgGuest27	ok..	12:47
BartJol	I have to look something up for that brb	12:47
wgGuest27	when a WUC is in Europe I'll consider there to go...	12:47
wgGuest27	ok tnx	12:47
BartJol	I see that for a fairly big site we have	12:48
BartJol	2GB ram	12:48
BartJol	2 Mbit traffic	12:48
wgGuest27	dedicated 2Mbit line?	12:49
wgGuest27	but monthly traffic for that site?	12:49
wgGuest27	+/-	12:50
BartJol	oh, it actually two times that	12:50
BartJol	eeeh, starnge it isn't defined...	12:50
BartJol	for a small site we have 10 GB	12:51
BartJol	well the machines are virtual, I'm not sure whether the servers have a reservation for the traffic	12:52
BartJol	I think it's load balanced with the other VM's	12:52
BartJol	but, not sure about that	12:53
wgGuest27	OK tnx	12:54
BartJol	np	12:54
SynQ	ah	12:54
SynQ	sales :)	12:54
wgGuest27	I'll first buy one server then we'll see...	12:55
wgGuest27	;-)	12:55
BartJol	aaaah it's him	12:55
BartJol	well, I leave it to you SynQ	12:55
SynQ	wgGuest27: you want to rent some server space from us?	12:55
wgGuest27	Well the plan is to have our own server here...	12:57
wgGuest27	we'll get fiber soon	12:57
SynQ	where is here?	12:57
wgGuest27	Sweden	12:57
SynQ	Ah nice	12:57
SynQ	would you like to buy some assistance from us installing and configuring your setup?	12:57
SynQ	for example I think you would most definately benifit from a separate database and modperl server	12:58
SynQ	but you could also virtualize that on one box	12:58
SynQ	in two virtual instances	12:58
wgGuest27	But isn't the splitting benefit away then...?!? separate hardware..	12:59
SynQ	no it isn't	12:59
SynQ	since splitting it makes it much more easy to manage	13:00
wgGuest27	So the DB server is requiring most.. besides mod_perl&proxy?	13:00
SynQ	yes and no	13:00
SynQ	wgGuest27: I have to go, lunch is calling	13:00
wgGuest27	ok	13:01
wgGuest27	me too	13:01
wgGuest27	;-)	13:01
SynQ	what is your name?	13:01
wgGuest27	back at 1300	13:01
SynQ	I have got work to do after 13:00	13:01
wgGuest27	My wg-name is Jmack..	13:02
SynQ	ah ok	13:02
SynQ	mine is koen	13:02
SynQ	add me as a friend on webgui.org	13:02
SynQ	and we can e-mail about it	13:02
wgGuest27	Ok, I'll check out how that works...!	13:03
wgGuest27	cu	13:03
SynQ	CU	13:03
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patspam	SynQ: when are you going to get some servers here in Australia, I'd love to outsource my hosting ;)	14:06
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patspam	I'm seeing 'ap_get_server_banner() not available' errors from apache with wre 0.8.4. is that part of known bugs to be fixed in 0.8.5?	14:11
BartJol	dunno	14:16
patspam	the full error is: ap_get_server_banner() not available until httpd/2.2.4 falling back to ap_get_server_version() at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux/XSLoader.pm line 94.	14:17
BartJol	well if there isn't a bu report on that, you should make one	14:23
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BartJol	how was your trip?	14:23
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patspam	i lied, it was only 14.5hrs from LAX to sydney	14:32
patspam	but it was still less than fun	14:32
BartJol	well 7.5 hours was enough for me too	14:32
SynQ2	bart	14:56
SynQ2	I am looking into a very strange thing	14:56
SynQ2	in the requesttracker	14:57
SynQ2	a karma rank is displayed	14:57
SynQ2	but it is displayed as a float with 6 numbers after the .	14:57
SynQ2	I want to display only the integer part of that float	14:57
SynQ2	but only in displaying the amount of karma	14:58
SynQ2	how do I find out where the karma rank is being constructed in the code?	14:58
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BartJol	a wait, let me read	15:04
BartJol	you mean in the webgui.org?	15:04
BartJol	ah, wait	15:05
BartJol	what site?	15:05
BartJol	I think it is a template var in the CS	15:07
BartJol	it's tmpl_var karmaRank	15:10
BartJol	how surprising	15:10
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SynQ2	yes I know	15:15
SynQ2	but it displays the karma like this: 0.000000	15:15
SynQ2	instead of just 0	15:15
BartJol	it's in the db in the thread	15:15
SynQ2	there is an RFE for it	15:16
SynQ2	http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/round-karma-rank	15:16
BartJol	I see	15:17
BartJol	in the db you can set the karmaRank Type to a float 11,0	15:18
SynQ2	the 6 trailing zero's do not make it much clearer	15:18
SynQ2	what table?	15:18
BartJol	instead of 11,6	15:18
BartJol	Thread	15:19
BartJol	sorry for giving you all info you already know, but, I also have to analyse the problem	15:20
BartJol	:)	15:20
BartJol	let meknow whether it works	15:21
SynQ2	ok	15:21
SynQ2	but that is not what I want	15:22
SynQ2	I only want to display it as an int	15:22
SynQ2	but still want to keep it as a float in the database	15:22
SynQ2	so I want the value in the template to be formatted as an 11,0 or 11.6	15:22
SynQ2	11,6 even	15:23
SynQ2	I have added a comment to the RFE	15:26
BartJol	ok, I will look into the thread code	15:26
SynQ2	now how is a template processed?	15:26
SynQ2	perhaps the webgui developers book says something about that	15:26
BartJol	please read your docs:	15:32
BartJol	MySQL allows a non-standard syntax: FLOAT(M,D) or REAL(M,D) or DOUBLE PRECISION(M,D). Here, "(M,D)" means than values can be stored with up to M digits in total, of which D digits may be after the decimal point. For example, a column defined as FLOAT(7,4) will look like -999.9999 when displayed. MySQL performs rounding when storing values, so if you insert 9	15:32
BartJol	oh sorry	15:32
BartJol	oops	15:32
BartJol	je suis stupid	15:32
BartJol	mmm	15:32
BartJol	but it might not matter anyway, if the karmaRank is calculated (it's only a division) everytime from the total amount of karma, the storing with more digits is irrelevant	15:35
BartJol	I understand that it differs, if you mean to show them on differnt places with different amount of digits	15:37
BartJol	so it might still be preferable to be able to include it in a tmp_var	15:38
SynQ2	but how do I change the way it is displayed in the template?	15:42
SynQ2	what code do I have to edit to make available a karmaRankInteger for example?	15:42
BartJol	if you want that (for a custom site), I think at the moment it is the easiest to write a macro that gets the karmaScale and karma, divide thse and give it as the output you want	15:42
SynQ2	I want it done generically	15:42
BartJol	I'm looking... might take a minute	15:45
SynQ2	k	15:45
@khenn	just make a macro that rounds the number ...	15:47
@khenn	probably 1 liner	15:47
@khenn	you could also do it with JavaScript if you were so inclined	15:48
@khenn	var karmaRank = document.getElementById("karmaRank").value + 0;	15:49
BartJol	khenn, he just tries to push me to learn more :)	15:49
@khenn	ah	15:49
BartJol	mmm I would expect it in sub view in Thread.pm	16:03
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BartJol	but I don't see it	16:27
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BartJol	SynQ2 I did found out that the Rank is indeed reevaluted each time the karma gets updates	16:36
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BartJol	and will be $karma/$karmaScale	16:36
BartJol	the new karma that is	16:36
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BartJol	joh, SynQ2, lost interest?	16:52
@khenn	anyone know why the SQL module is manually building references in buildArrayRefOfHashRefs, etc instead of using the built in DBI modules ($dbh->selectall_arrayref, etc)?	16:59
@rizen	probably because whoever wrote it didn't look at that	17:01
@khenn	do you have an objection to me "fixing" it?	17:02
SynQ2	huh	17:02
SynQ2	no I didn't lose interest	17:02
@khenn	I'm guessing the DBI modules are faster	17:02
@khenn	but I should probably benchmark it to be safe	17:02
SynQ2	I allready saw that indeed $karma/$karmaScale	17:02
@rizen	provided that it produces the exact same data structure, then no i don't	17:02
BartJol	ok, then I will continue	17:02
SynQ2	but that is not what I want to know	17:02
BartJol	I knpow	17:02
@khenn	yeah it does	17:02
SynQ2	I want to know how a template variable can be created	17:02
@khenn	it's actually really powerful	17:02
SynQ2	so that a separate template variable can be created that is called karmaRankInteger	17:03
@khenn	so I'd like to add another module that allows you to specify DBI attributes as well	17:03
@preaction	the selectall_* methods are a recent (last 5 years) addition to DBI	17:03
@preaction	mainly because everyone was doing WebGUI::SQL around its clunky prepare, execute, fetch* crap	17:03
@khenn	so are the buildRefOfRefs modules	17:03
SynQ2	rizen: we are getting there in converting .avi to .flv and .mov	17:04
@khenn	I want to benchmark them	17:04
@khenn	before I do anything	17:04
@khenn	can also do some advanced error handling with those	17:04
@khenn	I'll get back to you on results	17:04
BartJol	SynQ2 I understand, well I know how to create a template var, but to do it genericly from the float might be some more difficult	17:06
@rizen	SynQ2: huh?	17:06
SynQ2	bart: I would say that how a template var is created would be written somewhere in the developer book	17:06
SynQ2	and I don't have that book here	17:06
BartJol	well, it's not in the index	17:06
SynQ2	I wouldn't have guessed it was in the index	17:07
SynQ2	but surely you must know how the template system works before you can submit code to WebGUI	17:07
SynQ2	since it is a best practice to template everything	17:07
BartJol	well, I'm working on it...	17:09
SynQ2	ok	17:09
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SDuensin	Greetings.	17:33
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@khenn	good morning!	18:07
BartJol	morning? it's almost spotted cow time	18:08
@khenn	I don't respect timezones of third world countries! =)	18:09
BartJol	oh, so you'll drink along with us	18:09
@khenn	haha	18:09
BartJol	it was toooo easy	18:10
SynQ2	it has been proven that the us is a third world country	18:10
SynQ2	if you go there you are not allowed to give blood for a few months	18:11
SynQ2	ask joeri	18:11
@khenn	months only?	18:11
@khenn	if you travel outside the US you can't give blood for a year!	18:11
SynQ2	what if you go back to the US?	18:11
SynQ2	can you give blood then?	18:11
BartJol	but my leg begins to have a normal color again	18:11
SynQ2	bart had spotted leg	18:12
@perlmonkey2	too much spotted cow will do that.	18:12
@khenn	that's a side affect of spotted coww	18:12
BartJol	aaah	18:12
BartJol	so last year I haven't drunk enough	18:12
@khenn	and next year you'll drink more so you go home with spots all over!	18:13
BartJol	more?	18:13
BartJol	rather not	18:13
SynQ2	I second that	18:13
BartJol	I'm getting the idea that I am figuring the karmaRank out btw	18:14
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@khenn	anyone try google chrome yet?	18:16
@khenn	It's not available for the mac	18:17
@khenn	but I installed it on windows	18:17
BartJol	I have it installed	18:17
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: is all the hype correct?	18:17
@khenn	I can't decide if I like it or not	18:17
BartJol	but I am still a bit base-stuck to ff	18:17
@khenn	I'll use it once it comes out for Mac	18:18
@khenn	and see if I like it better	18:18
@perlmonkey2	They'll need to have firebug, firegestures, and web dev plugins for chrome before I'd consider it.	18:18
BartJol	well, I'm not sure what "all the hype" is	18:18
BartJol	yeah, some more plug-ins are usefull	18:18
BartJol	it does look clean and simple though	18:18
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: like firefox did when it first came out? :P	18:18
BartJol	:) something like that	18:19
BartJol	kan make a screenshot	18:19
@perlmonkey2	I'd like to see it. But none of that Dutch spotted cow porn in the shot.	18:19
BartJol	perlmonkey2: Hairgrease here, what ar firegestures	18:26
BartJol	?	18:26
@preaction	probably mouse gestures for firefox	18:26
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: yes, what preaction said	18:26
BartJol	Don't call me Bart	18:26
@preaction	move the mouse a certain way, and an action gets performed	18:26
@perlmonkey2	right click, draw a pattern and firefox does something (open a tab, switch tabs, whatever)	18:26
BartJol	It's me MrHairgrease	18:26
@perlmonkey2	MrHairgrease doesn't autotab complete :p	18:27
BartJol	It does on my box	18:27
BartJol	which MrHairgrease	18:27
BartJol	/usr/bin/MrHairgrease	18:27
@perlmonkey2	I fear to know what that does	18:28
BartJol	that's prolly wise =)	18:28
@preaction	attempts to corner the market on hair-care products	18:28
@perlmonkey2	heh	18:28
BartJol	but the chrome screenshot is now on www.bartjol.nl, just look at the capture filepile	18:29
@perlmonkey2	I see a Capture link, but it's of some goofy dork	18:31
BartJol	but rendering is quite fast actually	18:31
BartJol	oh, sorry	18:31
@perlmonkey2	Yeah, the BMP loaded very fast	18:31
@perlmonkey2	must have a fast pipe	18:32
@perlmonkey2	or is that the standard upstream on a home connection in the Nehterlands?	18:32
BartJol	try the some link again, this picture better?\	18:33
@perlmonkey2	In honor of Senator Ted Stevens, I think we should refer to 'pipe' as 'tubes', at least until he is safely locked away in federal prison :D	18:33
@perlmonkey2	did you commit, because I get the same image?	18:34
BartJol	versioning is off	18:34
BartJol	cache is empty now	18:34
@perlmonkey2	You are referring to the Capture_09032008 link below the front page image?	18:35
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BartJol	yeah	18:36
BartJol	your browser cache?	18:36
BartJol	works for me	18:36
@perlmonkey2	oh, I see it now	18:36
@perlmonkey2	:D	18:36
@perlmonkey2	Does look very sharp	18:36
BartJol	from the dutch version of bigboobs.com	18:36
BartJol	wanna have the link?	18:37
@perlmonkey2	hah	18:37
BartJol	now I deleted it	18:37
BartJol	there is no porn allowed on the procolix machines	18:37
@perlmonkey2	You must work for a slave driver	18:39
BartJol	well, I get payed, that's an essential difference	18:40
BartJol	let's not talk about the rest of the circumstances	18:40
BartJol	and don't mention the egg	18:40
@perlmonkey2	If an egg is ever involved it is always best not to duscuss it.	18:41
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BartJol	well, I'm supposed to go and drink beer now	18:51
SynQ2	tsk	18:52
SynQ2	then go	18:52
BartJol	but SynQ2, I'm a bit further in understanding, allthough that is not full yet, so you'll have to wait some longer	18:52
SynQ2	ok	18:52
SynQ2	good	18:52
BartJol	almost did a :wq on collaboration.pm	18:53
BartJol	don't think I changed stuff, but those automitisms can't be good	18:53
BartJol	so maybe till tonight	18:54
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elnino	hi! are there any downloads frm the user workshops from the wuc available?	19:22
snapcount	the presentation slides were up last week	19:23
snapcount	not sure if they are still there	19:23
elnino	I saw the wuc/files - but they were all the thursday/friday conference ones.. Where there any from tuesday/wednesday?	19:23
@rizen	no	19:24
elnino	ok.. thanks	19:24
@rizen	there was almost 2 gigabytes of files for that	19:24
@rizen	so we didn't put it up	19:24
elnino	oh. would it be possible to request them and have them emailed?	19:24
elnino	my users learned about and want to do banners on webgui - an area I'm totally unfamilier with. do I just give them ad manager permissions?	19:25
@rizen	what privileges you give them is up to you	19:27
@rizen	but that will give them access to the ad manager	19:27
@rizen	then they still have to have the rights to edit whatever theyw ant to put the ads on	19:27
elnino	sure. that's what I was looking for. I'm also assuming that advertising is for OTHER people to advertise on OUR site. They seem to want to put a banner on our own site, but to me that's the same as posting an image. So either they misunderstood, or I'm way off..	19:28
kristi	elnino- they want to display rotating images using the ad system	19:31
kristi	I covered that with them	19:31
kristi	so they can rotate images of products that link to the products	19:31
SynQ2	hi kristi	19:31
kristi	hi SynQ2	19:32
elnino	oh ok. so it doesn't necessarily need to be ad space sold to a third party.	19:32
kristi	elnino: they are understanding correctly, it's a great way to feature items on your site	19:32
kristi	we do it on ours (PB) w the books and the WUC ad	19:32
SynQ2	kristi: how far do you live from Elk Grove Village, IL?	19:33
elnino	kristi: are they expecting to be runningn 7.5? we currently only have 7.4.40.	19:34
kristi	elnino: it will work in 7.4.40	19:34
elnino	kristi: ok Thanks for clarifying!	19:35
kristi	SynQ2: about 2 hours	19:35
SynQ2	ah that is perfect	19:35
kristi	for?...	19:36
SynQ2	would Ryan be interested in a side job?	19:36
kristi	perhaps	19:36
SynQ2	there is a data center over there in Elk Grove Village	19:36
kristi	and how could Ryan be of help?	19:37
SynQ2	the only thing he'd have to do is some hardware juggeling	19:37
SynQ2	placing servers and/or replacing failed hardware	19:37
SynQ2	not a really hard job	19:37
SynQ2	but you have to be strong and deligent :)	19:37
kristi	I'll send you his email	19:38
kristi	as long as it's legal and fairly easy, he might be interested	19:38
SynQ2	legal and fairly decent sounds like an accurate description	19:39
SynQ2	It will have to be done by someone I can trust	19:40
SynQ2	and I trust Ryan	19:40
kristi	ok, I'll send you his email	19:40
SynQ2	thanks	19:40
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xootom	hi, anyone know where i can download the If macro?	19:43
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@preaction	xootom, it might be in the bazaar, otherwise dunno	19:46
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+perlDreamer	mighty quiet today	19:59
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xootom	looks like If was discontinued for security	20:01
xootom	can i use tmpl_if on an environment variable (Env macro)?	20:01
+perlDreamer	xootom, macros are evaluated last? So probably no.	20:02
xootom	i'm trying to make it possible to login and register from the mobile version of a site, and as a site can only have one 'default template' and login/reg templates, i need them to detect for it being a mobile device and show different templates accordingly	20:03
xootom	so I created an environment variable in the modperl.conf of each site, setting 'mobile' to 0 or 1 depending on which site the user comes in on. ^Env can display this value.	20:04
xootom	want to assetproxy in, or conditional, different templates into default/login/registration templates	20:04
xootom	either based on the env value, or i guess if the url includes 'mobi' or something	20:05
xootom	maybe i could just risk it with the if macro	20:05
+perlDreamer	well, again, I'm pretty sure that macros are evaluated last, which means that they template logic has already been executed by the time the macro is checked. It would be too late.	20:06
+perlDreamer	In other words, macros won't help you here.	20:07
xootom	I can put ^Env("mobile"); in the default template, it shows 1 or 0 correctly depending on the site I use	20:07
+perlDreamer	sure, but try to say <tmpl_if ^Env("mobile"); >true<tmpl_else>false</tmpl_if>	20:07
+perlDreamer	I don't think it will work the same	20:07
xootom	yeah that doesn't work, does that only work on actual template variables.. perhaps i need to create a template variable for the mobile flag, but would rather not modify webgui core	20:08
SynQ2	mr. perlDreamer	20:09
SynQ2	how areth thou?	20:09
+perlDreamer	xootom, one way that may work is to "clone" your site using packages, but using different templates on the two sites.	20:09
+perlDreamer	but that's a lot of work	20:09
+perlDreamer	SynQ2: I'm okay.	20:09
xootom	do you mean two completely separate sites, different user bases etc?	20:10
+perlDreamer	It could be done with different branches off of one site so you can share users and groups	20:10
+perlDreamer	I'd ask this question in the HTML Design forum on webgui.org	20:10
xootom	it's just the default template/login/registration though as they can only be specified once in the site settings	20:11
xootom	the rest of the site is correctly set up with mobile templates	20:11
+perlDreamer	xootom, can you use CSS magic to handle the different browsers (regular vs mobile)?	20:11
xootom	maybe, the mobile pages would be very basic, a hack would be a massive dynamic javascript output if it's a desktop browser	20:12
+perlDreamer	alternately, just make the login/registration template very simple so that it works in both places.	20:13
xootom	yes that was last resort, as it'd make those pages look so different from the desktop version	20:13
xootom	thanks for your help perlDreamer	20:13
+perlDreamer	you're welcome	20:14
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+perlDreamer	SynQ2: Good flight back home?	20:16
SynQ2	sure	20:18
SynQ2	just a fair bit of turbulence	20:18
+perlDreamer	Has the Product Workflow RFE been rated yet?	20:20
+perlDreamer	All the coding is done.	20:20
@preaction	perlDreamer, is that the one where the product is added to the cart?	20:23
+perlDreamer	preaction: this is the workflow that checks to see if any product/variant is about to run out of stock.	20:24
@preaction	ah, nice	20:24
+perlDreamer	Indeed.	20:24
+perlDreamer	Especially since we fixed two Workflow bugs while writing the test for it.	20:24
@preaction	what were they? i've been having some workflow problems recently	20:25
@preaction	anything to do with workflow instances disappearing?	20:25
+perlDreamer	No.	20:26
+perlDreamer	It was difficult to create a Workflow instance programmatically	20:26
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7389	20:26
@preaction	ah	20:26
+perlDreamer	The other one was a bug in Inbox/Message.pm	20:26
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7390	20:26
@preaction	durn... looks like i'm still fishing then	20:27
@preaction	but tests++!	20:27
@preaction	also, log4perl is awesome when you have to add tons of logger messages to track down some intermittent bugs	20:29
@perlmonkey2	Hmm, Devel::StackTrace failed to install in Cent5.2 WRE8.4	20:40
@perlmonkey2	cpan search for scalar::list::utils returns List::MoreUtils	20:43
@perlmonkey2	Class::Data::Inheritable appears up to date in my 8.4 WRE for some reason, which is good.	20:43
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lus	can I have the same web server hosting webgui host other software	20:45
lus	can I host another vhost other than another webgui site?	20:46
@preaction	yes	20:47
@preaction	though i wouldn't recommend it	20:47
lus	preaction: I cannot do it	20:48
@preaction	are you using the WRE's apache? there are things missing from it that might be affecting you (since they're not necessary in WebGUI)	20:49
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lus	preaction: I'm using centos, trying to run freeside on it too, behind an ipcop firewall	20:50
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lus	preaction: and Im getting the dansguardian screen - inappropriate content !!??	20:51
@preaction	uh... i don't know what dansguardian is	20:51
@preaction	but it's not WebGUI	20:51
juan	i have enabled mail from a colaboration system	20:51
juan	but the account is a google account	20:51
juan	it works wiith google accounts?	20:52
juan	becuase the smtp and pop port are different	20:53
@preaction	can you set the pop3 port? say: pop.google.com:8000	20:53
juan	and permit stablish ssl connections?	20:54
@preaction	i don't know. try it?	20:55
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+perlDreamer	there has to be a better way to handle database schema changes across upgrades	21:02
+perlDreamer	this is simply nuts	21:02
topsub	In the EMS when i add a ticket and set a date and time, when i add it to the cart it shows a different time. Like 1pm shows up as 18:00:06 in my cart / badge. Is this a bug? both timezones are the same	21:11
+perlDreamer	Sounds like a bug to me.	21:12
topsub	also does the ems allow you to buy 2 tickets that have the same start date?	21:14
topsub	i added a bug report with a screenshot for ya	21:17
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@perlmonkey2	Wow, I've somehow managed to mangle a Mac, Cent5.2, and an F9 WRE install	21:55
@perlmonkey2	I'm just that godo	21:56
@perlmonkey2	good	21:56
ckotil	nice.	21:58
ckotil	Ive botched some wre installs myself	21:58
+perlDreamer	I have never botched a WRE install...	21:58
@perlmonkey2	Somehow though I must have mangled the system as well (although I'm not sure how that is possible using the WRE). Because no matter how many times I blow everything away, make sure, unpack the WRE, 'svn -R revert .', I get the same result.	21:59
@Haarg	it does the same with an automatic install?	22:05
@perlmonkey2	Haven't tried with automatic install. But that would imply something was wrong with [HEAD] so other people should be having this problem.	22:05
@Haarg	well, there's still the log config file	22:06
@Haarg	that's all i can think of at least that the wre does extra	22:07
@perlmonkey2	hmm, here's a new one "proxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /"	22:07
@khenn	Does anyone know what this is doing inside the www_editEventMetaFieldSave method: foreach ('label') {	22:09
@khenn	it is obviously looping over each of the fields	22:09
@khenn	but I can't figure out what the default value is there	22:09
@khenn	or where it's getting it from	22:09
@khenn	presumably it would be from the @_ stack	22:09
@khenn	but that doesn't make sense either	22:09
@khenn	eh	22:09
+perlDreamer	it uses $_ as the loop variable	22:10
@khenn	yeah	22:10
+perlDreamer	and iterates over the loop once, with the value label	22:10
@khenn	I know that	22:10
@khenn	what is it looping over?	22:10
+perlDreamer	'label'	22:11
@khenn	foreach ('label')	22:11
+perlDreamer	yes	22:11
@khenn	that's a string	22:11
+perlDreamer	Just one loop	22:11
+perlDreamer	it's a 1 element array	22:11
@khenn	oh	22:11
@khenn	eh	22:11
@khenn	yeah I get it now	22:11
@khenn	heh	22:11
+perlDreamer	perhaps a copy and paste of similar code from elsewhere?	22:11
@khenn	that's really bad	22:11
@perlmonkey2	what's the point of that?	22:12
@khenn	exactly	22:13
@khenn	it's a foreach loop which iterates over one thing	22:13
@perlmonkey2	and that $thing is a hard coded string.	22:13
@khenn	I thought it might be some weird Perl way of doing something	22:13
* perlmonkey2 double checks to make sure he didn't write it :P		22:13
@khenn	but no, it's just bad code	22:13
+perlDreamer	svn blame never lies	22:13
@khenn	I'm pretty sure I know who did it	22:14
@khenn	=p	22:14
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: so that is your push for GIT, it lies?	22:14
+perlDreamer	No, my push for git is that it's easier to make private branches with version control	22:14
+perlDreamer	and lets me commit offline	22:14
+perlDreamer	but git-svn seems like a good median	22:15
+perlDreamer	I just haven't tried it yet.	22:15
@perlmonkey2	I know, I was just kidding :) and git-svn does seem like a good stop-gap.	22:17
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@perlmonkey2	I just don't get it. The WRE perl's @INC is only looking at the prereq's paths. So system perl modules shouldn't affect it. So how is it that 8.3/4 [HEAD], 7.5.11, and last stable, all fail the same way with mod_proxy going into infinite loops. A networking issue maybe?	22:21
@perlmonkey2	Okay I'm firing myself, I just suck too bad.	22:22
@Haarg	only thing i can imagine doing that would be a messed up mod_proxy config	22:23
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: I just had a glimmer of hope. I always use www.test.com as my test domain, and then set localhost to that in /etc/hosts. But I use local domain caching in my server, which was also hosting a www.test.com instance. So maybe the mac was using dns over /etc/hosts?	22:24
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@Haarg	i wouldn't think so	22:25
@Haarg	what version of the wre are you using?	22:25
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@Haarg	and can you post your site's modperl and modproxy configs somewhere?	22:26
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: tried 8.3 and 4	22:34
@perlmonkey2	sure	22:34
@perlmonkey2	pastebin.com/d44f5974b	22:36
@Haarg	hmm	22:37
@perlmonkey2	thoe should be pretty standard	22:38
@Haarg	try getting rid of those port 80 proxy lines	22:38
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@perlmonkey2	same Max-Forwards issue	22:45
@Haarg	is it even proxying to the modperl server properly?	22:59
@Haarg	check your access logs maybe	22:59
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jlittlewood	Haarg-	23:10
+perlDreamer	Haarg++	23:10
jlittlewood	Haarg- I tried that patch you told me about yesterday, but it didn't seem to work	23:10
jlittlewood	ha\	23:10
jlittlewood	Harrg: 'twas re: getting export tab delimited to do its magic	23:10
@Haarg	yeah	23:10
jlittlewood	sadly the results were not what we were hoping	23:11
@Haarg	are you certain you have Text::CSV_XS updated fully?	23:11
jlittlewood	mm	23:11
jlittlewood	no I am most def not certain of that	23:11
jlittlewood	where does that live?	23:11
@Haarg	well, if you just run testEnvironment it will tell you	23:11
jlittlewood	that does not appear to be installed	23:16
jlittlewood	a key to the puzzle, if there ever was one	23:16
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: I'm working on the DataForm bug (fyi)	00:32
@Haarg	which one?	00:32
@Haarg	validation?	00:33
+perlDreamer	eyah	00:33
+perlDreamer	yeah	00:33
@Haarg	yeah, should be simple. just a boolean check instead of an undef/eq "".	00:33
+perlDreamer	line 1374	00:34
jlittlewood	Haarg: looks like we do have Text::CSV_XS installed	00:34
@Haarg	the correct version?	00:34
@Haarg	also, after using the patch, how does it fail?	00:35
jlittlewood	Checking for module Text::CSV_XS: OK	00:36
jlittlewood	is there more to it than that?	00:36
jlittlewood	it fails by kicking you to the asset url	00:36
@Haarg	check the logs, there might be something in there	00:39
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+perlDreamer	anybody else having problem with autocommit in HEAD?	00:53
@Haarg	no	00:56
@Haarg	what kind of problems are you having?	01:01
+perlDreamer	It won't process the autocommit workflows	01:02
+perlDreamer	2008/09/03 14:41:46 - ERROR - mywebgui.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Instance::run[336] - Error on workflow instance 'vMLSkFGtNW0wcMWjtyh5Ow': Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::VersionTag. The result is undefined. at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm line 334	01:02
+perlDreamer	since I did a little mucking in there during the WUC, I got very worried	01:02
+perlDreamer	I restarted spectre, it seems to have resolved itself	01:07
+perlDreamer	Nope, it's not resolved.	01:09
+perlDreamer	My patch to Workflow::Instance.pm is causing workflow probelms.	01:09
+perlDreamer	well, I was looking for something to do this afternoon :)	01:09
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+perlDreamer	preaction: still lurking about?	01:29
@preaction	yes	01:29
+perlDreamer	I think my patch to Workflow::Instance is causing those problems	01:29
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@preaction	uhoh	01:29
+perlDreamer	I'm having autocommit problems	01:30
+perlDreamer	when I revert the patch, they go away	01:30
+perlDreamer	the funny thing is that I had to patch it to make creating workflow instances from tests work.	01:31
+perlDreamer	I'm going to revert it in SVN, and then try to figure out what's going on.	01:31
+perlDreamer	at least that way Spectre stuff will work again	01:32
@preaction	i can't see anything wrong, but create() might need the same change	01:33
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+perlDreamer	the thing I don't get is why would you ever pass params from the Workflow Instance to the Activity that's being created?	01:34
+perlDreamer	line 334	01:34
+perlDreamer	Workflow::Activity->new wants an activityId in that slot	01:35
@preaction	eval { WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate($class, $method, [$self->session, $params]) }; <- this line?	01:35
+perlDreamer	yup	01:35
@preaction	this is creating the pass-in object for the activity	01:35
+perlDreamer	Yes	01:35
@preaction	$class is the object type of the pass-in object	01:36
+perlDreamer	yes. the problem field is $params	01:36
+perlDreamer	if you look at W::A->new, the second param is supposed to be the workflow activityId	01:36
@preaction	but... there is no workflow object type of WebGUI::Workflow::Activity?	01:37
+perlDreamer	$className is the class of the activity itself, not the parent?	01:37
+perlDreamer	and they all inherit new from that master class	01:37
@preaction	no, it's the class of the pass-in object	01:37
@preaction	like WebGUI::VersionTag	01:37
@preaction	or WebGUI::User	01:37
@preaction	our activity is instanciated at line 322	01:38
+perlDreamer	okay, let me rewind a sec	01:38
+perlDreamer	then in WebGUI::VersionTag->new, the second param is not the parameters of the Workflow::Instance	01:39
+perlDreamer	it's a versionTagId	01:39
+perlDreamer	oh dear	01:39
@preaction	right, which is why the value of the parameters column is a hashref with a single key, parameters, which contains the actual data	01:40
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CIA-39	WebGUI: Fix a bug where the value 0 wasn't valid when entering	01:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: data into the DataForm.	01:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7400 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting DataForm 0 data value fix	01:46
+perlDreamer	how do I force spectre to run a suspended workflow?	01:48
+perlDreamer	nm, it just keeps retrying	01:48
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@tavisto	hey Patspam	02:13
patspam	hey tavisto	02:13
@tavisto	how goes it?	02:13
patspam	still getting over jet-leg	02:14
patspam	no TV from LAX to sydney.. united airlines are tightarses!	02:14
@tavisto	gah.. no good	02:15
@tavisto	yeah I always try to fly NWA and when I go over to europe I am definitely going with KLM	02:16
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@tavisto	well it was great meeting you at the WUC this year. Great to have the face to put with the IRC name.	02:16
patspam	yeah likewise, was so awesome to meet all you guys at the WUC	02:16
@tavisto	you'll be happy to know that next year we're going to try and work the IRC names into the namebadges :)	02:16
patspam	heh that will help	02:17
patspam	and the year after that we can have avatars	02:17
SynQ2	ok sleepy time	02:20
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@tavisto	hehe	02:21
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+cap10morgan	when using ldap w/ webgui, how do you specify the "search base"?	04:29
elnino	hi. I'm missing the group "registered users" for some reason. Is this bad =) can I just create it? or is there a way to recover it? what is the default ID?	04:29
+cap10morgan	I tried putting /dc=publicinterestnetwork,dc=org on the end of my LDAP URL, but i get Invalid DN then	04:30
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@preaction	elnino_laptop, the group can't be deleted, but it also doesn't show up in some group select boxes (since all users are automatically part of the Registered Users group)	04:35
elnino_laptop	it's not even displaying when I go into admin._ groups.	04:35
elnino_laptop	WEIRD	04:35
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elnino_laptop	I manually created a user, and I couldn't add them to the "registered group" I"m running 7.4.40.	04:36
elnino_laptop	I should be able to see it in those two places, right?	04:36
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@tavisto	I think because maybe it's already in the group?	04:37
elnino_laptop	I'm sorry, I must have been dreaming. I thought for sure I saw the group on my other site in the admin area. So then the question arises, how to you email the group "registered users" if it isn't listed in admin->groups?	04:39
@tavisto	well I'm not for certain but that was my late night guess :)	04:39
@perlmonkey2	Ernisto is the guy who did the Debian release, rigth?	04:40
@tavisto	yep it's Ernesto	04:40
@perlmonkey2	tavisto: Any luck with SCT :P	04:40
@perlmonkey2	Hmm, I need to get a debian vm running with his package to see how he did a lot of things. Looking at the Fedora packaging guidelines now and it doesn't look too bad.	04:41
@tavisto	sct?	04:43
elnino_laptop	I'm trying to get email sent out from webgui, and my client is using gmail as the smtp server. I have ssmtp setup to point to the google servers, so do I just put localhost in webgui's settings?	04:44
@preaction	elnino_laptop, sendmail on the localhost is acting as a smart relay to google? then yes	04:44
elnino_laptop	yes. So Good. Thanks!	04:45
elnino_laptop	So then my other question remains. how do I send an email to the group "registered users" if it isn't listed under admin -> groups? hmmm...	04:45
@preaction	it seems you dont. but you could, say, make a new group, and then add the "Registered Users" group to that group, then send a message to that new group	04:48
@preaction	that might work	04:48
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elnino_laptop	it worked! Thanks!	04:58
elnino_laptop	I'll create a wiki for that.	04:59
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CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7401 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added datatable installer. fixed some bugs. finished i18n	05:32
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@tavisto	perlmonkey2, well if at some point in the future you want to work on the fedora stuff... I have some emails I can forward you to all of the best resources to get started. We do have someone from the community who offered to do it previously. JT contacted him and he said to give him a few weeks	06:11
@rizen	tavis i don't know if you watched the rnc tonight,b ut if you did you have to be happy about the palin and gulliani speeches	06:15
@rizen	they were both very good speakers	06:16
@tavisto	nope, I've been researching getting started areas and recovering from this brutal deep tissue massage I got on my spine earlier	06:19
@tavisto	rizen, I am glad to hear they were good. I plan to watch them of course.	06:19
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elnino	ok. i'm confused. I have two sites. both are 7.4.40. One has a Newsletter asset the other doesnt. So I added "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter" thinking that would do it, but it doesn't. The one that has newsletter was build from 7.3.xx so maybe it's an old asset from back then?	06:50
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elnino	I see that Newsletter.pm is in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration. so maybe I'm missing a step.	06:53
elnino	tried clearing cache	06:57
+perlDreamer	elnino, check the config file?	06:58
elnino	yep, that's where I added the Collaboratoin::Newsletter to the site that didn't have one. And restarted the services.	06:58
elnino	the default webgui didn't have it either.	06:58
+perlDreamer	WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter	06:59
elnino	yep. that's what I got. I"ll triple check	07:00
+perlDreamer	I'll see if I can set up one, too	07:00
elnino	case and spelling correct too.	07:01
+perlDreamer	(kathy says hi)	07:01
elnino	I hope I'm not doing soething dumb.	07:01
elnino	Hi Kathy!	07:01
elnino	It was nice meeting her!	07:01
elnino	comma is in the correct place too.	07:02
+perlDreamer	Okay, I added this to my config file	07:03
+perlDreamer	"WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration::Newsletter",	07:03
+perlDreamer	to the assets section	07:03
+perlDreamer	restarted WebGUI	07:03
elnino	yep.	07:03
elnino	yep	07:03
+perlDreamer	and it showed up in my Admin Bar	07:03
+perlDreamer	and I was able to add one to the site	07:03
elnino	grrr.	07:03
+perlDreamer	log file?	07:03
elnino	I was looking. didn't see anythign, but now. oh. bad day. why is this back?	07:04
elnino	where would wre's apache files be?	07:06
+perlDreamer	/data/wre/logs?	07:06
* perlDreamer is not a WRE user		07:07
elnino	sorry, the conf file.	07:07
+perlDreamer	no idea	07:07
+perlDreamer	using SVN commands, how do you revert an earlier change to a file?	07:12
elnino	I don't know, but newletter showed up!!!	07:14
+perlDreamer	awesome!	07:14
elnino	I shut down everythign and noticed some orphan wre https so I killed them all. and restarted! YEAH!	07:15
elnino	I think I learned that trick from you or preaction.	07:15
elnino	thanks!	07:15
+perlDreamer	I think it was preaction	07:15
+perlDreamer	oh to do a revert: svn merge -c -versionNum https://repo	07:16
+perlDreamer	the key is the negative version num	07:16
elnino	or maybe perlmonkey. I don't know you all are equally helpful. So how DO I transfer karma to you guys?	07:16
+perlDreamer	Good question.	07:16
+perlDreamer	You go here: http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma	07:17
+perlDreamer	and use the form on the right	07:17
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elnino	oh. I didn't see that there, I must not have been logged in at the time. Thanks! karma coming! Have a good night!	07:20
elnino	preaction what is your username on webgui.org?	07:20
+perlDreamer	He is DBell	07:21
elnino	Thanks!	07:21
elnino	good night.	07:22
+perlDreamer	good night, elnino	07:22
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elnino	oh.. I was going to ask, Is there a way to display the registratoin form inline on another page i have in webgui?	07:37
+perlDreamer	maybe the HTTP proxy asset	07:38
+perlDreamer	aside from that, I'm not sure	07:38
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7402 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: rolling back 7389, since it seems to be causing problems with spectre	07:46
elnino	I was wondering about that..but it displays the deisng too. I'll see if I can cut the design off.	07:46
+perlDreamer	elnino, thank you very much for the karma, I threw in an RFE for a bonus.	08:00
+perlDreamer	We'll see if rizen says that I can commit it for 7.6	08:01
+perlDreamer	'night!	08:01
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patspam	great to see the karma economy at work	08:22
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BartJol	morning	15:19
@khenn	morning	15:22
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BartJol	mmm after adding a subscription to a cart, you can't see the cart ?shop=cart doesn't seem to work	16:20
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@bopbop	good morning	16:38
BartJol	hi	16:38
@khenn	morning	16:38
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@rizen	BartJol: i believe that's a bug in the current version that has already been fixed in the version that's going out today	16:41
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BartJol	ah	16:44
BartJol	nice to know, I was looking whether it was a bug...	16:45
BartJol	well, that is some relieve, thanks	16:45
@perlmonkey2	anyone have a link to the JT phenom video with the street interviews and news reporters?	17:08
@rizen	it's linked in the black blog	17:08
@perlmonkey2	oh, hah, missed that	17:09
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BartJol	JT venom video?	17:17
@rizen	phenom not venom	17:17
BartJol	no fangs? too bad...	17:19
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@rizen	that would have been at the town hall meeting where i went off on koen	17:21
SDuensin	Greetings.	17:22
@perlmonkey2	You went off on Koen? Do we get to hear the details of the drama?	17:28
BartJol	Koen's still in shock...	17:30
BartJol	which means that he keeps talking	17:30
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@bopbop	I enjoyed the part where lightning bolts shot out of JT's head	17:39
@bopbop	there was also the pulsing vein	17:39
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+perlDreamer	preaction: what does pagination.range do?	18:20
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@preaction	perlDreamer, shows the number of records in the page, so "start-end"	18:21
+perlDreamer	Cool. Thanks.	18:21
SDuensin	Whoa. perlDreamer didn't know something?	18:25
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, that's only the tip of what I don't know. Just ask my wife ;)	18:26
SDuensin	hehehehe	18:26
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topsub	anyone good with the yui grid?	18:48
+perlDreamer	nope, sorry topsub	18:49
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+perlDreamer	Is anyone else allowed to post on the new templates discussion board?	19:04
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topsub	Nope	19:31
topsub	or if i am i don't know about it	19:31
+perlDreamer	Huh, from a dev board posting, I guess it's private.	19:42
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7403 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm: RFE: add a back to site link to the account option list	20:34
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7404 /branch/colin-experimental/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): add a starting index to the asset class iterator	20:34
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7405 /branch/colin-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): RFE: product quantity checking workflow with test and i18n	20:34
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7406 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: add i18n for the pagination.range template variable	20:34
@perlmonkey2	Do we use any other OO method than Class::InsideOut?	20:35
+perlDreamer	Just standard perl5 OO	20:35
@perlmonkey2	blessed hashes/	20:35
+perlDreamer	yawp	20:36
+perlDreamer	Why do you ask?	20:36
@perlmonkey2	I need to iterate through my anon objects and that is about impossible without typing out every member name in Class::IO	20:36
@perlmonkey2	object members I mean	20:36
BartJol	joohoo, I am not totally incapable for everything!	20:36
BartJol	hee, colin, making more work for me I see	20:37
@perlmonkey2	the JSON collateral will be loaded into objects which needed to be able to interate through their members without me typing out every single one. Else I'd have 400 lines of code of just encoding/decoding json :P	20:37
+perlDreamer	BartJol: Just saving the world through proper i18n	20:37
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: Assets will not be Class::InsideOut for a while	20:37
+perlDreamer	does that help?	20:38
BartJol	you superhero	20:38
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: were you asking me if that helped or bart?	20:38
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: you	20:38
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: yes, definetely	20:39
+perlDreamer	excellent	20:39
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+cap10morgan	here's a strange one. spectre is getting 502 proxy error from a bunch of my sites, but when i curl http://www.site.org:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData from the same host, it works just fine	20:52
+cap10morgan	any idea what that's about?	20:53
@rizen	perlDreamer: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/view-profile/2	21:11
@rizen	why so vague?	21:11
@rizen	is it commited or not?	21:11
@rizen	why "ready a commit"	21:11
+perlDreamer	rizen: In the past I've always let you know when it is done. then you say when it's okay to commit it or not.	21:24
@rizen	it's a bug fix	21:25
@rizen	it's not an rfe	21:25
@rizen	fix bugs and get them in as quickly as possible	21:25
+perlDreamer	I'll commit it now :)	21:25
@rizen	if we need to fix your fix we'll do it	21:25
+perlDreamer	rizen, it's not a bug, it's an rfe	21:26
@rizen	it's got a bug url	21:26
@rizen	how did that happen	21:26
+perlDreamer	Must have been a bug that was moved off of the bug board into the RFE	21:26
@rizen	commit	21:27
+perlDreamer	committed	21:30
@rizen	you rock	21:31
@Haarg	hrm	21:36
@Haarg	thing with no fields becomes nicely busted	21:36
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metanil	how to get the ipaddress of particular session?? (sth like $self->session->ipAddress??)	21:44
+perlDreamer	metanil: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Env	21:44
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7407 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm): add a return to site link in account options	21:49
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zylopfa	Greetings all	21:55
+perlDreamer	howdy	21:55
zylopfa	Can i ask a little question about warnings in my logs?	21:56
+perlDreamer	sure!	21:56
+perlDreamer	If you have lots of them, please use a paste site	21:56
zylopfa	Its on 1 site only :D Its the warning: The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.	21:56
zylopfa	WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785] - The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.	21:57
zylopfa	thats the whole liek	21:57
zylopfa	line	21:57
+perlDreamer	It says "*" <- asterisk ?	21:57
zylopfa	yeah	21:57
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+perlDreamer	I'd say that someone typed in the wrong URL	21:57
zylopfa	I am suspecting maybe some workflow	21:57
zylopfa	ohh	21:57
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+perlDreamer	* is not a legal URL character	21:58
+perlDreamer	it would be filtered out when the asset is created	21:58
miloidrr	perlDreamer hi	21:58
+perlDreamer	howdy, miloidrr	21:58
miloidrr	I want to show you my new webgui site	21:58
miloidrr	www.rockemite.fm	21:58
zylopfa	Will take a look :D	21:58
+perlDreamer	Oh, yes. I know that y'all have been working on that for a while.	21:58
+perlDreamer	Is it all done now?	21:58
zylopfa	perlDreamer, it seems like its whenever i view the sites main page. But how can urls be wrong when its the correct url to the site :O	21:59
+perlDreamer	zylopfa: Are there any macros on the page?	22:00
miloidrr	Yer perlDreamer, the site has an radiostation create by the users, all by webgui	22:00
miloidrr	as youtube	22:00
+perlDreamer	nice :)	22:00
zylopfa	Hmm no macros perlDreamer	22:03
zylopfa	Do you know what the number mean: WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[1785]	22:03
zylopfa	the 1785	22:03
+perlDreamer	that's the line in the file	22:03
+perlDreamer	WebGUI/Asset.pm, line 1785	22:04
zylopfa	lol ohh ofc	22:04
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, here's a few things to try.	22:04
+perlDreamer	in etc/log.conf, change the level to DEBUG and restart the webservers	22:04
+perlDreamer	then reload the home page and see if it tells you more	22:04
+perlDreamer	miloidrr, so you must have solved your XML from Collaboration System problem to make the radio station work?	22:05
miloidrr	Im has solved this problem	22:06
zylopfa	Thanks a lot perlDreamer	22:07
zylopfa	Maybe its something with language support files, as i run visitor users in Danish language	22:07
+perlDreamer	That would be an easy problem, zylopfa.	22:07
zylopfa	yeah	22:08
+perlDreamer	the only thing I can think of is somewhere on your front page is a piece of code trying to look up an asset by the URL *	22:08
+perlDreamer	what's the URL?	22:08
zylopfa	http://www.dorthediness.dk/	22:09
+perlDreamer	in the db, does "SELECT assetId from assetData where url='*'; return anything?	22:10
zylopfa	none at all	22:10
+perlDreamer	Is this site in development, or is it live?	22:11
zylopfa	its live	22:11
zylopfa	I am hosting 6 sites atm on the installation	22:11
+perlDreamer	everything works as expected? No missing or broken elements?	22:12
zylopfa	yeah it all work	22:12
zylopfa	its after upgrade it happend	22:12
zylopfa	from 4.20 to the newest	22:12
+perlDreamer	4.20?	22:12
+perlDreamer	WebGUI 4.20?	22:12
+perlDreamer	surely you mean 7.4.20?	22:13
zylopfa	yeah sorry	22:13
+perlDreamer	I need to head to an appointment. I'll be back on later. Keep plugging away, zylopfa.	22:14
+perlDreamer	Maybe you could persuade BartJol to look at it, too.	22:14
zylopfa	Thanks a lot and thanks for help	22:14
zylopfa	the debut thing is real good, insane much you can see	22:14
zylopfa	all the queries and stuff	22:14
+perlDreamer	yeah, sometimes too much	22:14
zylopfa	indeed	22:14
zylopfa	haha this is strange, the good log told me a query of:	22:19
zylopfa	select asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 1	22:19
zylopfa	with '*' as the placeholder url	22:19
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BartJol	oh zylopfa sorry, I mist a bit	22:43
zylopfa	Ahh its ok, i am just getting tons of warnings on my site	22:43
zylopfa	The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.	22:43
zylopfa	I dont know what makes these	22:44
zylopfa	but i put debug in the logging facility	22:44
zylopfa	and it is make a sql query like this:	22:44
zylopfa	select asset.assetId, asset.className from assetData join asset using (assetId) where assetData.url = ? limit 1	22:45
zylopfa	with '*' as the placeholder	22:45
zylopfa	dont know what wobject / asset etc. that make that query	22:45
zylopfa	HAHA I found it I think	22:48
zylopfa	I was tailing the access log	22:48
BartJol	oh, was just getting to look	22:48
zylopfa	And i can see	22:48
zylopfa	OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)	22:48
BartJol	suspension...	22:48
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BartJol	never seen that one	22:49
zylopfa	So it must be the LDAP thing	22:49
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BartJol	ah	22:49
zylopfa	that think it has to do something	22:49
zylopfa	so i am gonna check if some ldap things are mistakenly set on	22:50
BartJol	ok will be around	22:50
zylopfa	Thanks a lot friend	22:50
BartJol	didn't do anything yet :)	22:51
zylopfa	I have found something more	22:52
zylopfa	I was in LDAP connections in admin	22:52
zylopfa	Default LDAP Connection:Invalid	22:52
zylopfa	I dont use anything with LDAP but maybe its trying something	22:52
BartJol	gonna have a look	22:53
zylopfa	Its the Visitor user	22:53
zylopfa	that is the user noted in the logs	22:53
zylopfa	and it says: (internal dummy connection)	22:54
BartJol	does the visitor use ldap authentication?	22:56
BartJol	my grep on the error message is working	22:56
zylopfa	No, LDAP auth is disabled from the site not even login possibilities	22:56
zylopfa	I tried to delete the ldap link	22:57
zylopfa	the default one	22:57
BartJol	ah, maybe you just have that as it was	22:57
zylopfa	I am watching the log in awe, to see if the Warning comes again	22:57
miloidrr	perlDreamer hi again	22:57
miloidrr	I need create a glosary of words	22:58
BartJol	I think he's gone right now	22:58
zylopfa	yeah hes out atm	22:58
zylopfa	damn it	22:58
zylopfa	::1 - Visitor [04/Sep/2008:21:36:08 +0200] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 404 2810 "-" "Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) WebGUI/7.5.21 DAV/2 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.8.8 (internal dummy connection)"	22:58
zylopfa	What is an internal dummy connection?	22:58
miloidrr	What is the best to make it?	22:58
BartJol	I think it's ldap://ldap.mycompany.com:389/o=MyCompany	22:59
zylopfa	It happens the same time in the log when i get the "The URL * was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree." warning	22:59
zylopfa	I am trying to isolate what makes the sql statement	22:59
zylopfa	where the url is set to *	22:59
BartJol	no internal dummy connection found...	23:00
BartJol	it's i n asset .pm	23:00
BartJol	:)	23:01
@Haarg	it's something related to using apache 2.2	23:02
zylopfa	So its intended?	23:02
@Haarg	yeah	23:02
@Haarg	it's an internal part of apache	23:03
zylopfa	Maybe its spectre polling the webserver?	23:03
zylopfa	ahhh ok	23:03
@Haarg	you could probably make a rewrite rule to ignore it so it wouldn't show up in the webgui logs	23:03
zylopfa	I might take LOG WARN off then its every minute or so i get 10 lines of warnings	23:03
zylopfa	ahh good idea	23:03
@Haarg	RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.internal\ dummy\ connection.$ [NC]	23:04
@Haarg	RewriteRule . - [L]	23:04
zylopfa	Its only one of the sites i host that make it	23:05
@Haarg	or something similar	23:05
zylopfa	thanks a lot	23:05
BartJol	miloidrr: sorry, your glossary?	23:06
zylopfa	Like a "page" with words and their meaning?	23:06
zylopfa	I'd use the collaboration system and modify the "link list" template	23:07
zylopfa	(Collaboration System Template)	23:07
zylopfa	The Collaboration system is genius cause many things users have to make themselves they format wrongly	23:09
zylopfa	with collaboration system you can just tell them to input things and then it show as you indended it to	23:09
BartJol	with articles you have to rearrange them	23:10
zylopfa	Yeah	23:10
+perlDreamer	miloidrr, I think the DataForm	23:11
BartJol	with drag and drop, that won't have to be that bad	23:11
+perlDreamer	Tell it to view the table/list by default	23:11
zylopfa	Propably best with dataform	23:12
zylopfa	No wait	23:12
zylopfa	I think its best with collaboration system	23:12
zylopfa	as you can sort it by title, which is the same as the Words in your glosary	23:12
zylopfa	http://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home <- the left menu bar is made with collaboration system	23:13
zylopfa	And by tweaking the template just a bit you can have a glossary system instead of a linklist	23:14
zylopfa	its the same data nearly	23:14
zylopfa	Title, description	23:14
zylopfa	and you can sort it on title	23:14
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zylopfa	and also use the paginator feature if your glossary is more than n entries long	23:15
wgGuest10	hello everyone	23:15
BartJol	hi	23:15
zylopfa	Greetings wgGuest10	23:15
+perlDreamer	how about a Thingy?	23:16
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zylopfa	Its to much for only something which have a title and a description imo	23:16
zylopfa	the collaboration system have all things needed also	23:16
+perlDreamer	yeah, that's why I was thinking DataForm	23:16
zylopfa	yeah propably more lightweight than collaboration sys also	23:16
BartJol	I have it: snippets!	23:16
zylopfa	ahhaha nooo	23:16
BartJol	:)	23:16
zylopfa	It must be somewhat automagical	23:17
wgGuest10	ok, i'm either wanting to be really stupid today, or i've looked at this computer too long. can webgui except flash and other programs?	23:17
BartJol	it can actually	23:17
zylopfa	yeah wgGuest10	23:17
+perlDreamer	wgGuest10: WebGUI can upload and download flash, but playing flash is different	23:17
+perlDreamer	you need an embedded flash player for that	23:17
zylopfa	its nothing to do with the webgui	23:17
BartJol	well, there is a flash player in the rich editor	23:17
zylopfa	flash is played on your browser, webgui can serve the files yes	23:17
wgGuest10	can i load my existing webist onto webgui	23:18
BartJol	but it's a bit picky on what kinda	23:18
wgGuest10	website*	23:18
+perlDreamer	wgGuest10, yes.	23:18
zylopfa	miloidrr are you still with us?	23:18
+perlDreamer	Look in the Bazaar section on www.webgui.org	23:18
wgGuest10	ok thanks	23:19
+perlDreamer	my turn for asking questions: I want to build a site where the gatewayUrl is /webgui. How do I configure Apache to do that?	23:19
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zylopfa	what do you mean with gateway url?	23:20
zylopfa	the default start url?	23:20
+perlDreamer	it's a config file option	23:20
zylopfa	like normal /home?	23:20
zylopfa	ohh	23:20
BartJol	but you can set your homepage right?	23:22
zylopfa	cant it just be set in the config file like oyu say?	23:23
zylopfa	"gateway" : "/",	23:23
+perlDreamer	yes	23:23
zylopfa	"gateway" : "/webgui",	23:23
+perlDreamer	but I think Apache needs some config as well	23:23
+perlDreamer	maybe not	23:23
zylopfa	hmm	23:23
+perlDreamer	I should just try it :)	23:23
zylopfa	I hope not	23:23
zylopfa	yeah i think so	23:23
zylopfa	Does anyone know a good way for multi language sites?	23:24
zylopfa	I saw Koen had a question about it long ago on the forums but no answer	23:24
+perlDreamer	it's hard to do multisite on WebGUI	23:24
zylopfa	ahh	23:24
+perlDreamer	Most people will build a separate branch on the site	23:25
+perlDreamer	then make a package of the main site and deploy it on the side branch	23:25
+perlDreamer	then translate it	23:25
zylopfa	Sometimes i just thing i make http://en.titlandata.dk	23:25
zylopfa	and copy the site in danish to the new one	23:25
+perlDreamer	yup	23:25
zylopfa	I was thinking of just copinging the entire db and site branches to another site	23:25
zylopfa	as they are in 2 different databases anyway it should work	23:26
+perlDreamer	no need to do that, you can use a Redirect URL to just go to the other branch.	23:26
zylopfa	But the maintainence is 2 sited	23:26
zylopfa	yeah i could make a branch also	23:26
zylopfa	instead of subdomaing for 2 different sites	23:27
zylopfa	Makes more sense to keep it on 1 site also	23:27
zylopfa	then you can reuse content elements	23:27
+perlDreamer	yes, same user database, groups, lots of good reasons	23:27
zylopfa	yeah ofc	23:27
zylopfa	lol its a damn mess i'd have made	23:27
zylopfa	thanks for clearing it with me	23:27
zylopfa	Else it would be an endless syncronisation between them	23:28
zylopfa	perlDreamer,	23:28
zylopfa	I have a good idea i think	23:28
+perlDreamer	What is it?	23:28
zylopfa	Mostly you have text inside the Articles right?	23:28
+perlDreamer	yes	23:29
zylopfa	Damn that wont work	23:29
zylopfa	I was gonna make a macro to get the english text from a database	23:29
zylopfa	taking the asset id	23:29
zylopfa	but its not good	23:29
zylopfa	cause text sould be entered into the asset	23:29
+perlDreamer	I wonder if there are RFEs with good ideas in them for that?	23:30
zylopfa	yeah	23:30
zylopfa	Or maybe you could make a new Article asset	23:30
zylopfa	that was the same as the old	23:30
zylopfa	but with "Language" selector	23:30
zylopfa	so you could put different texts for different languages	23:31
zylopfa	Ohh i know	23:31
+perlDreamer	if you did it with JSON, it would make it easier than doing different db columns for each languages	23:31
zylopfa	The defailt bars is:	23:31
zylopfa	Properties, Dispaly, Security, Metadata	23:31
zylopfa	right	23:31
zylopfa	but then you could have additional bars for other languages	23:31
zylopfa	perhaps sub bars under display	23:32
zylopfa	Under properties i mean	23:32
zylopfa	but it might be to cluttered	23:32
+perlDreamer	yeah	23:32
+perlDreamer	after 4-5 languages it would be bad	23:32
zylopfa	True	23:32
zylopfa	I wonder how it could be done best	23:33
+perlDreamer	I liked your language selector idea	23:33
BartJol	languages...	23:33
BartJol	Garbish is all you need right	23:34
zylopfa	I am making my business site to english also	23:34
zylopfa	so i have thought a bit about it	23:34
zylopfa	The i18n is good but its only for internal stuff	23:35
BartJol	yeah, but your always stuck with a human translation	23:35
zylopfa	and the text for the assets themselves, not their content	23:35
zylopfa	ahah true BartJol	23:35
zylopfa	The danish translationi s only 2% done	23:35
BartJol	well	23:35
zylopfa	I am working on it step by step	23:35
BartJol	good job	23:36
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, you need to hire some college students to help you out, or something	23:36
+perlDreamer	it's a lot to translate	23:36
zylopfa	yeah i need it	23:36
BartJol	and one day, one glorious day, you will get a 100% translated, my child	23:36
zylopfa	Also i need some good translations for things that arent in danish	23:36
zylopfa	yeah!!	23:36
* perlDreamer bows to BartJol		23:37
BartJol	get up	23:37
+perlDreamer	Oh Great Translator, shower us with your i18n wisdom and knowledge	23:37
BartJol	mmm, are you making fun of me?	23:37
zylopfa	Is the maintainers of the different assets fast to change the labels?	23:37
+perlDreamer	Oh yes	23:37
BartJol	they do	23:37
zylopfa	then it can be hard to maintain the other language set of it	23:38
BartJol	so it's like garden or woman maintenance, it will never stop	23:38
zylopfa	ahah yeah	23:38
+perlDreamer	which assets are you talking about, zylopfa?	23:38
zylopfa	Just all of the Wobjects	23:38
zylopfa	and macros	23:38
+perlDreamer	and the operations	23:38
+perlDreamer	and the workflows	23:38
zylopfa	ahah yeah	23:38
zylopfa	inde admin interface ++	23:39
BartJol	and more	23:39
+perlDreamer	any label that you want changed, just submit a bug for it	23:39
+perlDreamer	it usually gets fixed the same day	23:39
+perlDreamer	but	23:39
zylopfa	I change it myself in the i18n.webgui.org	23:39
BartJol	you can't change the english	23:39
zylopfa	ahh thats true	23:39
+perlDreamer	yeah, for changing english, submit a bug	23:39
+perlDreamer	for another language, i18n.webgui.org	23:39
zylopfa	Not so many problems with the english one	23:39
zylopfa	just hard to follow up if the designers change some labels a lot	23:40
zylopfa	then the other translations will have to file new ones	23:40
BartJol	yeah well thosde ar checked quite some times	23:40
zylopfa	ahh	23:40
BartJol	mostly there are only major translations with new assets or revisions of them	23:41
zylopfa	I am gonna make "Multilanguage Article" project	23:41
BartJol	as on operation?	23:41
zylopfa	it will ofc inherit all Article operations	23:41
zylopfa	and i will ad my own language stuff	23:41
BartJol	sounds cool, but not straightforward	23:42
BartJol	new? WebGUI hacker here I see	23:42
zylopfa	It will be a Wobject	23:42
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zylopfa	I have worked with webgui for some years	23:42
BartJol	ah	23:42
BartJol	good	23:42
zylopfa	but its after i made a company to make websites and designs i realy got into it	23:42
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zylopfa	http://titlan.globalcontrol.biz/home is my site for the company, its under development	23:43
zylopfa	so its on a test domain	23:43
BartJol	I can almost read it :)	23:43
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zylopfa	ahah nice	23:43
zylopfa	can you see the "ticker " on the top?	23:44
zylopfa	its a news bar	23:44
BartJol	I do	23:44
zylopfa	and its taken from a collaboration system asset	23:44
zylopfa	so i can easy add new news	23:44
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BartJol	ah, we have that on a site somewhere	23:44
zylopfa	I love the collaboration system	23:45
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BartJol	you make a kinda sql report and put it into a javascript	23:45
BartJol	but that's old	23:45
zylopfa	I made a macro for it	23:45
BartJol	cool	23:45
zylopfa	I am also playing with the Thingy now	23:46
zylopfa	on a dream diary site	23:46
BartJol	oh cool	23:46
zylopfa	Only thing with thingy is that you cant "own" the records you enter	23:46
BartJol	and you can connects through dreams>	23:46
zylopfa	ahah yeah :D	23:46
BartJol	that be cool	23:46
zylopfa	I am making sql reports from the thingie	23:47
doc777	Hello everyone. Sorry to interrupt... Can anyone tell me a sqlquery to select new user accounts over the last 24 hours? I see the dateCreated field is an (int) and not a time stamp...	23:47
zylopfa	but its not so safe	23:47
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BartJol	it's an epoch time	23:47
zylopfa	cause if the records are not owned by anyone	23:47
BartJol	so that's an int	23:47
zylopfa	doc777, a moment i shoe you	23:47
doc777	Thank you, confused ;)	23:47
+perlDreamer	select userId,username from users where time-dateCreated < 246060;	23:48
+perlDreamer	something like that	23:48
BartJol	and in an sql statement you can ask for at as a normal datestamp format	23:48
BartJol	84600?	23:48
BartJol	86400?	23:48
BartJol	last one	23:49
doc777	testing that ;)	23:49
+perlDreamer	perlbot: 246060	23:50
+perlDreamer	perlbot: help	23:50
perlbot	(fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip)	23:50
+perlDreamer	perlbot: math 246060	23:50
perlbot	86400	23:50
doc777	unknown column time in where....	23:50
zylopfa	doc i am on it	23:51
zylopfa	SECOND	23:51
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7408 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm: updating POD for Session/Url to talk about gateway URL	23:52
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7409 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): continue link from message on login did not look at gateway url	23:52
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7410 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): backporting auth continue link from HEAD	23:52
BartJol	UNIX_TIMESTAMP	23:52
+perlDreamer	select userId,username from users where unix_timestamp()-dateCreated < 86400;	23:52
zylopfa	select users.userId, users.username, users.status, users.dateCreated, users.lastUpdated from users	23:53
zylopfa	where (UNIX_TIMESTAMP(now())- users.dateCreated)< 86400 order by users.dateCreated	23:53
zylopfa	thats the way ^	23:53
doc777	Both work, thank you! That had me scratchin my head a bit there....	23:54
zylopfa	ahah ok	23:54
miloidrr	Zylopfa, im here again	23:54
zylopfa	Awesome did you figure it out?	23:54
zylopfa	the glossary	23:54
miloidrr	I need to create a glossary to my site	23:55
zylopfa	yeah i can easy help you	23:55
miloidrr	I think that i can do it with a cs	23:55
BartJol	doc777, it depends what you want to show, but status and userId may not have to be selected, only the ones you use	23:55
zylopfa	cs is very good for it	23:56
BartJol	zylopha no offends meant	23:56
zylopfa	and it will be sorted for title whis is your word in the glossary	23:56
zylopfa	no offence taken BartJol	23:56
BartJol	:)	23:56
BartJol	yee, my english is slowing down again	23:57
doc777	we added a "how did you find us" question when registering on the site and would like a report generated on it. So looks like we have to pull the new users then query the profile data to get that field. So it is a work in progress ;)	23:57
miloidrr	Tks zylopfa	23:57
zylopfa	no problem	23:58
miloidrr	Im goin to do in a cs	23:58
zylopfa	i can help you with the template, but I took the link list or faq one and modified it	23:58
miloidrr	Tks zylopfa	23:58
zylopfa	or rather copied it to my template directory for the site and edited it there :D	23:58
zylopfa	Any time	23:59
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+perlDreamer	all right	00:07
+perlDreamer	Who is flooding the bug board?	00:07
* Haarg raises hand		00:09
+perlDreamer	He who floods, must fix!	00:10
@Haarg	yeah, i'll probably be fixing most of what i posted	00:10
@Haarg	i just don't want to forget	00:10
@Haarg	i have tons of other stuff floating around to take care of	00:10
+perlDreamer	Yeah, the WUC put us all behind.	00:11
+perlDreamer	but it was fun :)	00:11
@Haarg	wasn't just the wuc	00:11
+perlDreamer	even though Martin's laptop did take a beating	00:11
@Haarg	even before that i had large things scheduled for this week	00:11
zylopfa	perlDreamer, the Article with more languages in the content. we spoke of	00:13
+perlDreamer	yes, zylopfa?	00:13
zylopfa	I am making it as a normal article but in the bottom of properties	00:13
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zylopfa	i make a field	00:13
zylopfa	Whats Next?: "Add a language"	00:14
zylopfa	and from there you can as as many as you want	00:14
zylopfa	like its done in the Survey asset	00:14
zylopfa	its with questions	00:14
+perlDreamer	Cool	00:14
zylopfa	but i just make it with languages	00:14
BartJol	well if you can make "sister articles", you may even get nortification that you changed one but not the other	00:15
zylopfa	ahh yeah	00:15
zylopfa	1 have to be the "main" language article	00:16
zylopfa	and under that is the translations to the languages	00:16
zylopfa	It will be fun to make it	00:16
BartJol	It would	00:16
BartJol	at would take some time to do it properly	00:16
zylopfa	yeah	00:17
zylopfa	it will have to be inherriting all from Article also	00:17
zylopfa	BartJol, are there any good ways to tell what language you are from?	00:18
zylopfa	As visitor user i mean	00:18
BartJol	like ip based you mean?	00:18
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zylopfa	But its not certain you are from that country	00:18
BartJol	no	00:18
zylopfa	maybe from the browsers header things	00:19
zylopfa	the useragent one	00:19
BartJol	that might be	00:19
zylopfa	but what the heck	00:19
zylopfa	they can select language on the site	00:19
BartJol	it should be optional, seems like a slowing feature	00:19
zylopfa	and then its saved in the session table	00:19
zylopfa	that should be the main way to keep track	00:20
zylopfa	to save it with user session stuff	00:20
zylopfa	when the user press the language button on the site	00:20
BartJol	you can do that with branches	00:20
BartJol	webgui language is a bit harder	00:21
zylopfa	yeah but i dont want it to branch	00:21
zylopfa	it shall be seamless	00:21
BartJol	I'm curious	00:21
zylopfa	thats why i make the articles content in more languages when you create the article	00:21
zylopfa	you can choose that yourself	00:21
zylopfa	"Add A new Language to this article"	00:22
zylopfa	and then you are displayed with a new form that look like the normal article	00:22
BartJol	well, maybe there already is a rfe for it	00:22
zylopfa	where you choose the language	00:22
zylopfa	BartJol, yeah there might be	00:22
zylopfa	It has to be site wide also, so all other assets will have to have it in	00:23
zylopfa	so it propablt not good to make it for Articles only	00:23
BartJol	nope	00:23
zylopfa	For wobjects then	00:23
zylopfa	but the assets still have to know the language stuff	00:23
BartJol	well, I can't estimate how much work would be involved	00:24
zylopfa	so much has to be made different	00:24
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zylopfa	Maybe its overkill to make	00:24
BartJol	also hard to couple wobject languages to session	00:24
zylopfa	yeah	00:24
BartJol	if you can make it, put it on the bazaar	00:25
zylopfa	Does other CMS systems have the feature?	00:25
BartJol	if it is pluggable	00:25
zylopfa	yeah	00:25
BartJol	dunno actually	00:25
zylopfa	The reason i choose webgui was that it was perl based	00:25
zylopfa	google: perl cms	00:26
zylopfa	then i took it from there	00:26
zylopfa	I hate the way many program in php	00:26
zylopfa	its always text and code mixed	00:26
zylopfa	and a million includes	00:26
zylopfa	atleast last time i read some php code	00:26
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BartJol	going to bed...	00:32
BartJol	nigthy nigth	00:32
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Lisette	hello how to do a sql report with parameters?	01:46
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patspam	morning team	01:50
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+perlDreamer	morning, patspam	01:53
+perlDreamer	Can I ask you a question about the template team?	01:53
patspam	shoot	01:53
+perlDreamer	Why is the mailing list restricted?	01:54
patspam	i have no idea, in fact i only read the emails about it on the dev list 15 seconds ago	01:54
patspam	closed is never my preferred approach	01:57
+perlDreamer	me, too	01:58
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+perlDreamer	bad connection, patspam?	02:09
patspam	heh, just messing with my pidgin settings	02:11
patspam	trying to get it to suppress the join messages	02:11
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patspam	perlDreamer: I've read through the board now, i agree, i think it should be open	02:27
patspam	i've said as much in the board	02:27
+perlDreamer	When I posted back to rogier's dev list post, I said the same thing.	02:28
@tavisto	patspam, the WUC photo galleries are ready for your images	02:29
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patspam	ah sweet	02:29
@tavisto	www.plainblack.com/wuc and then photos page	02:29
@tavisto	all of the old CS photo galleries have been converted to the new asset. yay	02:29
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patspam	nice work	02:30
patspam	can i / should i post to the "WUC 2008" gallery? or do i need to create my own?	02:31
@tavisto	post to the wuc 2008	02:31
patspam	ah see now you're exposing my Gallery incompetence	02:31
patspam	where do i post?	02:31
@tavisto	yeah I'm glad that JT had time to convert all those from the old assets	02:31
@tavisto	the easiest way to do it is to throw your images into a zip file	02:32
patspam	and where's the upload box? maybe i don't have permissions?	02:33
@tavisto	well I just logged out and I'm wondering now if we're letting peeps upload them from the community.. let me check permissions	02:34
@rizen	wahoo!	02:37
@rizen	i just used the new status/tracking number feature in the shop	02:37
@rizen	most everything pb does is online, so we don't need to ship anything	02:37
@rizen	but someone bought a gooey with karma	02:37
@rizen	so i got to use that feature	02:37
patspam	Shop++	02:38
@tavisto	rizen, did you just enter the # manually?	02:38
@rizen	yes	02:39
@rizen	how else would i have done it?	02:39
@tavisto	dunno.. I have no experience with that	02:39
@rizen	i suppose in the future we may have some shipping plugin integration	02:40
@rizen	that will generate tracking numbers right there	02:40
@rizen	but right now our only shipping plugin is webgui generic ...not specific to a shipper	02:40
@tavisto	coolio, then I suppose if customer views purchase history they can see that info as well	02:40
@rizen	i also see that the new transaction system is showing us that people are trying to purchase with stolen credit cards	02:40
@rizen	yup...they can	02:41
@tavisto	wow really.. nice heh	02:41
+perlDreamer	is that a feature, or a bug? ;)	02:41
@tavisto	I was just sitting here waiting around to try and edit the wuc galleries settings and it was taking forever... I just realized that I was using the edit album option accidentally.. lol	02:42
@rizen	yeah the gallery needs some serious performance tuning	02:42
@rizen	i've posted a bug about that	02:43
@tavisto	yeah it's slooooo	02:43
+perlDreamer	Sorry, no more bugs	02:43
+perlDreamer	The bug list is full	02:43
@tavisto	but hey, I'm going to change the group to add files to registered users if that's okay.. so our attendees can upload pics to wuc 08	02:43
@tavisto	unless you'd rather me setup a cs and have peeps upload their zips there	02:44
@rizen	isn't it already registered users?	02:45
@rizen	i thought i set that	02:45
@tavisto	nah admins.. comments is set to reg users tho	02:45
@tavisto	i can change it then	02:45
@tavisto	patspam, you should be good to go now.. zip and upload my brotha	02:46
@tavisto	click add a photo and then click on the zip archive button and you're set	02:48
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knowmad	Can one of the webgui.org site admins make rogier's post "The goal" a sticky post?	03:29
knowmad	I think it'd be worthwhile to keep that focus as discussions progress	03:30
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patspam	tavis: just running off to a meeting, will post em when i get back!	03:34
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@tavisto	no problem patspam, I just updated a bunch of the captions. I'm off to dinner.. ttyl	03:45
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@perlmonkey2	Anyone thinking of using JSON as collateral, all I have to say is what can be blessed can be unblessed (KABLAM!!!!) <------special effects to help make point.	04:00
@perlmonkey2	I guess before making that point, maybe I should check to see if people are already doing that and I'm just late to the game.	04:01
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@perlmonkey2	So, is this brilliant or just obvious? Take a blessed object, unbless it, encode the resultant hash, store in DB. Grab the JSON from the DB, decode it, bless it as that object again. Magic or not?	07:22
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@perlmonkey2	Okay, I agree, lame.	07:24
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* patspam looks around for the "add a photo" button in the WUC Gallery		08:01
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7411 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: Fix a bug where Show Message on Login didn't work with anonymous	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: registration for WebGUI auth. Added POD to the Auth createAccountSave	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: method to detail that what it returns is important.	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7412 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm): Make showMessageOnLogin sticky for the right setting.	08:23
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7413 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting showMessageOnLogin bug fixes from HEAD	08:23
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elnino	good evening! how can I tell that my upgrade of wre was sucessful?	08:57
@Haarg	what version?	08:58
elnino	I went from 083 to 084	08:58
@Haarg	well, there shouldn't be much to screw up. there ended up being a module missing for if you are going to use 7.5.	08:59
elnino	it basically said done. btw, the errata that jt sent out said to install Scalar::List::Utils, but my cpan didn't know what that was, so I installed Scalar::Util. is that ok?	09:01
elnino	I have 7.4.40	09:01
@Haarg	yeah	09:02
elnino	I updated the http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/upgrade-wre-v0.8.x wiki with my observation of that package.	09:03
@Haarg	Scalar::List::Utils is what it is called somewhere, but it contains Scalar::Util and List::Util	09:03
@Haarg	so installing Scalar::Util will grab the right distro	09:04
elnino	that's what it looked like to me.	09:04
elnino	.. so there isn't a why to see what wre is currently running?	09:04
@Haarg	currently running? no really.	09:04
@Haarg	checking the changelog is the closest you'll get.	09:05
elnino	that's too bad. that would be handy.	09:05
elnino	well, that's upgraded when I extract it =)	09:05
@Haarg	well, the meaining of 'currently running' doesn't entirely work with the wre	09:05
@Haarg	since it's just a bunch of other components packaged together	09:06
elnino	oh. ok. would it be possible to see the version of each of those components? - just out of curiousity... =)	09:08
@Haarg	certainly would be possible	09:11
@Haarg	but i couldn't say exactly what it would be	09:11
elnino	ok. just looking for a warm fuzzy that all is well with wre and it's components.	09:11
elnino	different question...	09:11
@Haarg	/data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -V	09:11
@Haarg	for example	09:11
elnino	sure..	09:12
elnino	and, I think I answered my other question... =) Thanks for your help Graham	09:12
elnino	you dont' know anything about ssmpt by anychance do you?	09:13
@Haarg	smtp?	09:14
elnino	welll, yes, I mean smTP, but it's really SSmtp with two s's	09:14
elnino	it's a lightweight sendmail	09:15
@Haarg	nope	09:15
elnino	ok. thought I'd try. =) good night.	09:15
@Haarg	night	09:16
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BartJol	morning	11:04
patspam	evening Bart :)	11:07
BartJol	I hav enot sufficient right to look at your latest post...	11:08
BartJol	have you heard anyone about 7.5.22	11:09
BartJol	I was hoping it would be out...	11:09
@Haarg	next week probably tuesday	11:10
BartJol	whoa, still awake?	11:12
BartJol	ok thanks	11:12
@Haarg	half awake at least	11:12
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SDuensin	Morning.	15:49
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wgGuest10	HELLO	16:48
@bopbop	hello wgGUest10	16:54
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wgGuest10	how are you	17:01
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wgGuest10	i was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm interested in webgui but I'm completely lost. I am a graphic designer, and design few webpages. I have a client that would like a members area and i have no clue on how to set that up	17:03
@bopbop	you can set up a group of users for the members, and assign that group on the security tab of any page you wish to be members only	17:04
wgGuest10	is there a way to set up the page that when they register and pay their monthy fee they will automatically be added to the users?	17:05
@bopbop	yes, there is commerce available in WebGUI, and there is a subscription application	17:05
wgGuest10	and is there something special i need to load to my server for webgui to work?	17:06
@bopbop	one of the developers would be better able to answer that- perhaps preaction would be willing to answer if he's around	17:06
@bopbop	you could also look here: http://www.webgui.org/download	17:07
wgGuest10	ok, well i must say that you have given me more informaiton today that what i got yesterday. This thing is about to blow my brain up...	17:07
@bopbop	or post to the install/upgrade forum on webgui.org	17:07
@bopbop	check wiki.webgui.org as well	17:08
wgGuest10	ok thanks	17:08
@bopbop	good luck	17:08
wgGuest10	ok, one more dumb question,	17:12
wgGuest10	do you have to have some special knowledge to download webgui onto your computer, or is there an online version?	17:12
@bopbop	well, it's not always easy to install, but I suggest you install it with WRE	17:14
@bopbop	that's the WebGUI Runtime Environment	17:14
@bopbop	once you get started, you can come back out here if you get stuck	17:15
@rizen	don't install webgui	17:15
@rizen	if this is your first time out use the demo server	17:15
@rizen	http://demo.webgui.org	17:15
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@rizen	play around with it	17:15
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@rizen	learn how to use it	17:15
@rizen	and after you come to see how awesome it is, then worry about installing it, or even better yet, find a hoster that fits your needs	17:16
wgGuest10	will webgui work on existing sites?	17:17
@rizen	do you mean will it edit existing html pages?	17:18
@rizen	it's not an HTML editor like Dreamweaver if that's what you're asking	17:18
@rizen	it's an application server...designed to build out very dynamic and interactive sites	17:18
@rizen	not flat html pages	17:18
wgGuest10	yeah i know that, i have the pages already designed, i am looking for a program that will allow me to have a members area	17:18
@rizen	webgui will do that	17:19
@rizen	as bopbop said	17:19
wgGuest10	even if my server is not on location, the site is hosted by someone else	17:19
@rizen	the server has to be designed to support webgui	17:19
@rizen	you can't use a $2/mo hoster	17:19
wgGuest10	ok, thanks for the info,	17:20
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@rizen	methinks he wanted to use a $2/mo hoster. =)	17:20
@tavisto	aye	17:20
@rizen	tavisto: i think that mccain gave a great speech last night	17:21
@rizen	it reminded me of the old mccain	17:21
@tavisto	the 2000 mccain eh?	17:21
@rizen	yeah	17:21
@rizen	i really liked the old mccain	17:21
@tavisto	I kinda thought he was a snake in the grass previously.. but he turned out to be okay	17:22
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@khenn	I still think he's a snake in the grass tbh	17:29
@khenn	s/he's/he's still/	17:30
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@perlmonkey2	By definition aren't all politicians snakes in the grass?	18:28
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BartJol	you have some that hide in the sand	18:50
BartJol	but nice weekend everyone	18:50
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+perlDreamer	Morning, folks.	18:59
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perlmonkey21	good morning perlDreamer	19:01
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey21: you've been promoted	19:02
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2+19	19:02
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perlmonkey21	+19?	19:08
perlmonkey21	oh, ghosted	19:08
perlmonkey21	brb	19:08
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@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: you see my IM's yesterday about blessing and unblessing objects in order to JSONify them?	19:10
+perlDreamer	No.	19:11
+perlDreamer	Could you resend them, please?	19:11
@Haarg	if you need to JSON the structure of an object, you can just turn on allow_blessed	19:12
@perlmonkey2	Oh they were on irc. Basicallyl like what I just said. Take an entire object, unbless it, remove any circular references, and it is ready to be serialized. Then when you need it again, deserialize and bless, add back circular references and you have the exact same obejct	19:12
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: I haven't had much luck getting that to work.	19:12
@perlmonkey2	Probably just doing something wrong	19:12
+perlDreamer	Session is a circular reference	19:13
@perlmonkey2	oh, looks like you need a convert_blessed option enabled also	19:13
+perlDreamer	This is a function of JSON.pm?	19:14
@perlmonkey2	but convert_blessed just looks for a to_json method in the target objec.t	19:14
@perlmonkey2	yes	19:14
@perlmonkey2	So you still have to return a non-blessed reference somehow	19:14
@Haarg	what kind of object is this?	19:15
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: these are Survey objects. No connection to WG.	19:17
@perlmonkey2	actually just a single survey object that contains all the member objects to handle all the data manipulation.	19:17
@Haarg	you probably wouldn't want to unbless it	19:17
@perlmonkey2	But after each post, it can be grabbed from the DB, deserialized, blessed, used as needed, unblessed, serialized and stored back in teh DB.	19:18
@Haarg	but copying everything into a new hashref might be fine	19:18
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: what's wrong with unblessing it? Seems to just return the original hashref	19:18
@perlmonkey2	and it is a super lazy solution, which I like	19:18
@Haarg	well, anything expecting to use it as an object after doing that will break	19:19
+perlDreamer	bless and unblessing hashrefs has serious speed penalties on CentOs, Redhat and Fedora	19:19
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: okay, I'll just create a copy of the data and return it. So much for being lazy.	19:20
@Haarg	not much difference really	19:21
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: I would only unbless it right before serializing and returning	19:21
@Haarg	yeah, but what if something else had a ref to it?	19:21
+perlDreamer	it would work fine on the WRE, just not in a native distribution perl	19:21
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@Haarg	to_json({ %{$self} })	19:21
@Haarg	seems simpler than unbless really	19:22
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: that works? casting a blessed ref to a hash?	19:22
@perlmonkey2	that is too cool	19:22
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@Haarg	yeah, it works just like any other hashref	19:22
@perlmonkey2	I don't have any real experience with Perl OO besides Moose	19:22
@perlmonkey2	all I ever used	19:22
@Haarg	only reason json handles it differently is because treating an object like a hash as a general rule isn't a very good idea	19:23
@Haarg	but you have full control of your object	19:23
+perlDreamer	Haarg, at some point we need to check out each other's JSON collateral methods and build WebGUI::JSONCollateral from both of them.	19:24
@Haarg	yeah	19:24
@Haarg	well, it isn't too hard to add json stuff to update/get	19:25
@Haarg	like jt did for the bazaar	19:25
+perlDreamer	I haven't read the Bazaar code yet.	19:25
@Haarg	but it gets less friendly when you have collateral tables	19:25
+perlDreamer	yes.	19:27
@Haarg	i've only looked at get/update in the bazaaritem asset	19:27
@Haarg	really we should be moving to using some kind of object mapping for collateral tables	19:28
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: What does that mean?	19:29
@Haarg	like dataform as an example, should have a DataForm::Entry class for interacting with the entries	19:30
@perlmonkey2	Oh right	19:30
@Haarg	instead of just having a bunch of methods on the dataform class	19:30
+perlDreamer	Wouldn't having an external class do that? Like WebGUI::Keywords?	19:31
@perlmonkey2	I've created Survey::* for my objects, but so far they aren't in charge of put/get'ing themselves from teh DB.	19:31
@Haarg	i'm speaking more of a specific class for dataform things	19:31
@Haarg	it might make sense to have it subclass some kind of general collateral class though	19:32
+perlDreamer	that's what I was thinking	19:36
+perlDreamer	something that can be used to reorder, serialize, deserialize and the like	19:36
+perlDreamer	then the client classes just wrap and handle the db access	19:36
@Haarg	bleh	19:38
+perlDreamer	No good?	19:38
@Haarg	i really want to decouple our class structure from strictly Parent::Child	19:38
+perlDreamer	that's why I said "client"	19:39
+perlDreamer	it would be a pseudo-mixin, like keywords	19:39
@Haarg	that wasn't really in relation to what you said, just a related thought	19:39
+perlDreamer	ah, sorry	19:39
@Haarg	it could be done, but would involve a number of changes and may lead to performance problems	19:40
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juan	i have created a site in WebGUI 7.4.40 and then i upgraded to the latest version 7.5.21, then i go to the asset manager from that site and it doesn't show me anything	20:09
juan	another sites that i have in the same server are working excellent	20:10
juan	What is the problem?	20:10
@preaction	juan, check the error logs?	20:14
juan	the error logs not show me errors	20:16
juan	i am checking	20:16
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juan	really doesn't show errors	20:23
+perlDreamer	try clearing the cache	20:32
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zylopfa	juan,	20:56
zylopfa	I got the exact same problem as you	20:56
zylopfa	also i got problems with the data forms already created at the sites	20:56
zylopfa	I think i deleted the site and recreated it in the new webgui version	20:57
CIA-39	WebGUI: frank * r7414 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm:	20:59
CIA-39	WebGUI: Added a new method getLineageSql() which is called the same was that getLineage	20:59
CIA-39	WebGUI: is called but returns the SQL that is generated by the getLineage call rather	20:59
CIA-39	WebGUI: than and arrayRef of assetIds or instantiated assets. This method is now called	20:59
CIA-39	WebGUI: by getLineage.	20:59
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@Haarg	i'm going to add an iterator version of getLineage	23:26
+perlDreamer	cool	23:27
@Haarg	this is what i have at this point: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m17866912	23:27
@Haarg	any thoughts?	23:27
+perlDreamer	! @{ $assetList }	23:27
@Haarg	yeah, i know the style isn't perfect	23:27
@Haarg	needs some docs as well	23:28
+perlDreamer	Did you want a lazy iterator?	23:28
@Haarg	yeah	23:28
@Haarg	the idea is the convenience of returnObjects without the huge memory bloat if you are working on a large section of the site	23:29
+perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7eea6897	23:30
+perlDreamer	Instead of building the list and accessing one element at a time	23:30
@Haarg	yeah, i was thinking of that	23:30
+perlDreamer	you just give the iterator access to a statement handle	23:30
+perlDreamer	and call it as many times as needed	23:30
@Haarg	wasn't sure if i wanted to keep a db statement open for that long	23:30
@Haarg	probably better to go that route though	23:31
@Haarg	that stuff can be tweaked though	23:31
+perlDreamer	yes	23:31
@Haarg	i'd be more interested if you see problems with the api	23:31
+perlDreamer	No, as long as it never needs external placeholders, it's fine	23:32
+perlDreamer	I did build a mini paginator into getIsa recently though	23:32
+perlDreamer	so that you could read a chunk, remember where you were, then read where you left off	23:32
+perlDreamer	It's part of the new product stock monitoring workflow	23:33
+perlDreamer	It's in my experimental branch, if you're curious	23:33
@Haarg	also ty khenn for splitting out getLineageSql	23:34
+perlDreamer	Yeah, khenn++	23:34
+perlDreamer	It's a great idea	23:34
@khenn	it was preactions idea to split them out	23:34
@khenn	I'll give credit where credit is due =	23:34
@khenn	=)	23:34
+perlDreamer	yeah, but who did the hard work of coding and testing it?	23:35
@khenn	it was my idea to return the SQL	23:35
+perlDreamer	oh wait a sec, there's no tests!	23:35
+perlDreamer	;)	23:35
@Haarg	i was planning on doing that at some point so i could do the interator thing	23:35
@preaction	but now there can be, no?	23:35
@Haarg	but now i don't have to :)	23:35
@khenn	you can write the tests!	23:36
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@Haarg	one down side to having private branches is you can get too many of them	23:40
@Haarg	i have 13 right now	23:40
@preaction	.... wow	23:41
* perlDreamer recommends a good pruner		23:41
@Haarg	well, hopefully i'll be killing a couple of those off soon	23:42
+perlDreamer	I'll get an alibi for you	23:42
+perlDreamer	"No sir, your honor. He was on IRC the whole time."	23:42
+perlDreamer	"It's not possible, Friday night is the night he pushes our new releases. There wouldn't have been any time for him to kill branches."	23:43
@Haarg	that's annoying. pastebin treats @@ at the beginning of a line as special and filters it out	23:47
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+perlDreamer	Lisp sucks	23:56
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Lisette	how to do a sql report with parameters	23:59
Lisette	?	23:59
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+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/sqlreport	00:00
Lisette	thanks	00:01
+perlDreamer	is there an easy way to package multiple templates at the same time?	00:03
@preaction	besides putting them in a folder?	00:03
+perlDreamer	Yes. Assume that they're scattered throughout the system	00:04
+perlDreamer	Like updating the Layout templates to remove the paragraph tags around the description	00:04
@preaction	not that i know of	00:04
+perlDreamer	I think I feel another utility script coming on	00:04
+perlDreamer	templateFiler is a good start	00:05
+perlDreamer	but now that updates happen as packages, it's only good for local hackery.	00:05
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@khenn	So YUI Datatables are fun	00:33
@khenn	I got a YUI DataTable loading, paginating, and sorting inside a dynamically loading tabform	00:33
+perlDreamer	sweet	00:33
+perlDreamer	Is that for the new bug tracker?	00:33
@khenn	yeah	00:33
@khenn	i'd snap a screenshot but I can't figure out where they are going on my mac	00:35
@Haarg	usually to the desktop	00:36
@khenn	yeah they aren't	00:36
@khenn	shift-ctrl-apple-3 right?	00:36
@preaction	shift+apple+3, no ctrl	00:36
@Haarg	ctrl puts it in the clipboard	00:36
@Haarg	cool, apparently one of the updates to iTerm fixed xterm mouse scrolling	00:44
@khenn	http://www.plainblack.com/help_desk_photo1	00:47
@khenn	I have it functional now	00:47
@khenn	going to spend the weekend adding features	00:47
@khenn	and writing a migration script for the collab systems	00:47
@khenn	and watching football	00:47
@khenn	=)	00:47
+perlDreamer	Hopefully not in that order.	00:48
+perlDreamer	You have to have priorities, you know	00:48
@khenn	and yeah I know I still have to format dates and users and stuff	00:48
@khenn	I'm going to do all of them at the same time	00:49
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+perlDreamer	What's with the spam on the dev list?	01:07
+perlDreamer	One guy wants to get paid to make a plugin for HTML::Template::Compiled	01:07
+perlDreamer	now there's perl certified hosting?	01:07
@khenn	I don't see the one for the one who wants to make HTML::Template::Compiled	01:09
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/htmltemplatecompiled#AaE0yf7cAad4Qkqz_H9yTA	01:10
@khenn	yeah I don't even understand that	01:12
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CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7415 /WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: improve message from testEnvironment.pl when you have the latest version	01:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7416 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content doesn't decode alternate character sets	01:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7417 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added: getLineageIterator method to simplify working on large sets of assets	01:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: improve message from testEnvironment.pl when you have the latest version	01:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7419 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content doesn't decode alternate character sets	01:46
+perlDreamer	nice tests, Haarg!	01:49
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7420 /WebGUI/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Remove paragraph tags around descriptions in Layout templates.	02:18
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+perlDreamer	howdy hightekvagabond	02:32
+perlDreamer	how was the frog flinging?	02:32
hightekvagabond	Good, I go back tomorrow	02:34
hightekvagabond	I work that booth all season, every weekend until October	02:34
+perlDreamer	Sounds fun	02:35
hightekvagabond	The best thing is I can treat pretty women in ways that I'd get a sexual harrassment suite for anywhere else ;)	02:35
+perlDreamer	Just be careful, there's lots of room in those gowns for sharp objects	02:36
hightekvagabond	they all have to be saftey bonded	02:36
hightekvagabond	besides, I'm good at keeping an eyes out for such things, much experiance there ;)	02:37
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7421 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (15 files in 2 dirs): backport Layout template changes	02:52
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7422 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/Setup.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): more Content/Setup i18n	02:52
hightekvagabond	how was the WUC?	03:07
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7423 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: add more legal characters into the safe i18n key regexp	05:11
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7424 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/Setup.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): finish Content/Setup i18n, and use 2 i18n objects so that it can be automatically tested	05:11
topsub	Which nav element is best for main site navi? I need drop menus	05:43
topsub	pending there is one built in	05:43
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CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7425 /translations/Spanish/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	06:48
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CIA-39	WebGUI: patspam * r7426 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (381 files in 97 dirs):	07:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: merged r6807:7413 from trunk	07:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: also moved custom sql out of create.sql into enable_flux.pl script	07:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: patspam * r7427 /branch/WebGUI_flux/enable_flux.pl: Added script for enabling flux on new sites, e.g. for modifying db schema to support Flux	07:46
CIA-39	WebGUI: patspam * r7428 /branch/WebGUI_flux/README.txt: WebGUI_flux: added a README for people who want to play with the Flux branch	07:46
patspam	question for my small WebGUI::Inbox::Message API addition.. if JT says "you are approved to add it to the core" does that mean check it in to trunk or 7.5 branch?	08:03
patspam	I'll start with trunk..	08:05
CIA-39	WebGUI: patspam * r7429 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Patch to allow overriding of email message & subject for inbox messages (see http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/overriding-inbox-emails/3)	08:17
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SynQ	Hi there :)	15:56
SynQ	and I'm off to visit some famility	16:25
SynQ	bbl	16:25
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wgGuest62	Hi	17:17
wgGuest62	Any news about WRE 0.8.5?	17:17
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7430 /WebGUI/t/Macro/RootTitle.t:	00:43
CIA-39	WebGUI: Fixed a test that should have been failing for a long time.	00:43
CIA-39	WebGUI: getLineage != get('lineage')?	00:43
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7431 /WebGUI/ (t/i18n/template.t lib/WebGUI/International.pm):	00:43
CIA-39	WebGUI: Remove single quote from the list of allowable characters.	00:43
CIA-39	WebGUI: Remove single quotes from parsed International macros in the template tester.	00:43
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elnino	wow. small crowd tonight.	04:13
elnino	I have a question about sendmail, but I don't know the proper terms to look it up in the "documentation" wondering if someone can at least point me to the right direction.	04:15
@preaction	just ask	04:16
elnino	I have a VPS, hopefully 3 sites will eventually be hosted on it. I have the smtp server hosted at google.	04:16
elnino	right now I have ssmtp installed. which I thought was a good alternative to sendmail	04:17
elnino	it was easy to install and simple to configure.	04:17
elnino	it works, but the emails sent from the sites are sent from "gmail" as opposed to the actual domain	04:17
elnino	so I need to setup sendmail to send mail thru google's smtp server	04:18
elnino	and maintain the domain from which the email originated from.	04:18
elnino	what is this called, and from what I gather	04:18
@preaction	look in the sendmail docs for "smart relay"	04:18
elnino	I need to have a secure socket for sending mail out to and from google.	04:18
elnino	and will sendmail be able to handle more than one domain?	04:19
@preaction	yes	04:19
elnino	and I thought sendmail didn't have support for TLS - whatver that is. google requires it.	04:19
@preaction	it probably does	04:20
@preaction	sendmail can do just about anything	04:20
elnino	how does exim rate?	04:20
elnino	I'm on a debian server, and apparently that is what they usually have installed by default.	04:21
elnino	is "smart relay" = "smart host"?	04:21
@preaction	smart host sound right, yes	04:21
@preaction	i've never used exim, just sendmail and postfix	04:22
elnino	http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison -- they need a matrix like cmsmatrix. =)	04:24
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elnino_laptop	did I miss anything since my last comment. I need to buy a network cable!!	04:27
@preaction	nope	04:27
elnino_laptop	oh.. I was going to ask, wre dosn't include a MTA already, does it?	04:28
@preaction	no	04:28
patspam	elnino: I'm doing the same thing, smart host on a VPS sending via gmail	04:34
patspam	I set it up the other day using exim	04:34
patspam	rough notes here: http://paddypedia.patspam.com/index.php?title=Exim	04:34
elnino_laptop	you are!?!?! you've beened added to my friend list!!	04:34
patspam	heh, surely i was already on it after the wuc! ;)	04:35
elnino_laptop	yes.. of course!	04:35
patspam	i'm just using it on a dev box atm, but i had the same motivation, just wanted something that works without having to run a fully fledged mail server locally	04:36
patspam	i'm off (father's day brunch), let me know if you run into anything that should be added to the notes	04:37
elnino_laptop	so, what commandline do you use to test exim? does it install mail or mailx? Thank you so much!	04:37
elnino_laptop	Happy Fathers Day!	04:38
patspam	heh, not for me, for my dad ;)	04:38
patspam	my server is Ubuntu-based so i think i installed mailx to get a "mail" command for testing	04:38
patspam	but i also just tested by telnetting into port 25	04:38
elnino_laptop	ok good enough for me to go on... have a good bunch!	04:39
patspam	and then just pointed WebGUI at it and generated some emails	04:39
patspam	if the notes work for you i might add them to the webgui wiki	04:40
patspam	anyway, ttyl :)	04:40
elnino_laptop	bye	04:40
hightekvagabond	didn't fathersday happen a few months ago?	04:40
@preaction	in the US mayb	04:41
hightekvagabond	you guys have a different father's day then us?	04:41
hightekvagabond	learn something new every day	04:42
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elnino_laptop	http://www.fathersdaycelebration.com/fathers-day-date.html - interesting.	04:55
hightekvagabond	that IS interesting	04:58
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wgGuest89	Hello	15:18
wgGuest89	Any news about WRE 0.8.5?	15:18
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CIA-39	WebGUI: frank * r7432 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: Fixed a bug in getLineageSql which was returning an empty array ref in certain cases.	19:51
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7433 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: check for valid data, not just its existance in the Instance parameters	01:33
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7434 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/ (12 files in 2 dirs): porting over getTTL method to private branch	01:33
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7435 /branch/colin-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: porting over Message deleting fix	02:07
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7436 /branch/colin-experimental/t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t: change workflow to realtime, move inbox to top to help deal with test failures more gracefully	02:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7437 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs):	02:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: RFE: Add workflow that checks all products to see if they are close	02:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: to a user configured level, and email a group to let them know that	02:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: they are close to being out of stock.	02:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7438 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: check for valid data before decoding from JSON, undef still exists	02:41
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doc777	Can anyone tell me where the text "labels" for forms are stored. Like on the create account page? ;-)	07:03
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Lisette	hello i try do a sql report with parameters from a form, with post, but the sql don't read this, how to do?	16:31
BartJol	from a dataform you mean?	16:32
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BartJol	hee patspam, is it already morning for you?	16:32
Lisette	not	16:33
Lisette	an article with a html	16:33
patspam	heh no, just heading off to bed	16:33
patspam	about midnight here	16:33
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BartJol	ah, goodnight then	16:33
BartJol	Lisette, what kind of info are you trying to get from the article:	16:34
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BartJol	you can only get what's in the Article, asset and assetData tables	16:35
Lisette	i have a sql report	16:36
Lisette	but in the sql report in the placeholder parameters i have this	16:37
Lisette	form: fecha1	16:37
Lisette	form: fecha2	16:37
Lisette	and in the article the next	16:37
Lisette	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6253eb64	16:37
BartJol	I think in this way these will not get into the database when a user selects a date	16:41
Lisette	how to do this?	16:41
BartJol	but more "function parameters"	16:41
Lisette	what?	16:42
BartJol	well if you've got a calendar with events, this becomes easier	16:42
BartJol	I expect that the dates are real events that should be stores somewhere?	16:43
BartJol	be back in 10	16:43
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BartJol	Lisette: I'm back	16:52
BartJol	so what do you actually want to do with the entered form values?	16:54
Lisette	yes	16:55
BartJol	Lisette: yes to what question exactly?	16:56
BartJol	I need more information	16:56
Lisette	i want that the user enter the dates	16:56
BartJol	what should happen with the dates?	16:59
BartJol	are they begin and end dates of an event?	17:00
Lisette	the query is the next:	17:00
Lisette	select count(*)	17:00
Lisette	from asset	17:00
Lisette	where parentId = 'KgRk_sXKU-X8tiTVSCii6w'	17:00
Lisette	and className = 'WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread'	17:00
Lisette	and creationDate between unix_timestamp('?') and unix_timestamp('?')	17:00
BartJol	where fecha1 and 2 are the entries for the ?'s ?	17:02
Lisette	yes	17:02
BartJol	and you calculate the fecha's back to epoch somewhere?	17:03
BartJol	epoch=unix_timestamp	17:03
Lisette	yes	17:03
BartJol	I don't see that in your form	17:03
BartJol	so as I see it now, fecha1 and 2 are still human formatted dates	17:04
Lisette	in the name of input	17:04
Lisette	yes this it	17:04
BartJol	you should search your mysql documentation to look how you search with a normal date input as a search field	17:13
Lisette	already	17:14
Lisette	and i have that this way	17:16
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SynQ2	hi there	17:19
@bopbop	hi	17:20
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SynQ2	the dutch primer has been uploaded to the bazaar	17:27
@bopbop	great- thanks for doing that	17:28
SDuensin	Greetings.	17:30
Lisette	BartJol: do you know?	17:37
BartJol	Lisette: I might, but I don't really understand what you have done and what not and in what order things are executed	17:38
BartJol	you wanna search for entries in a CS that are submitted between two user chosen dates, right?	17:39
Lisette	i want count a thread of CS between a dates specified by the user	17:39
BartJol	sorry I forgot it was a count	17:39
BartJol	ok	17:39
BartJol	so you have a form where a user can enter the dates	17:40
BartJol	these are submitted as form variables	17:40
BartJol	and with these variables you want to perform a search in the db for the count of threads	17:41
BartJol	is that it?	17:41
Lisette	yes	17:45
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BartJol	I think it's easier to do with a custom macro	17:48
BartJol	you can extract the form variables in the macro and do the sql query in the macro and return the value	17:49
Lisette	ok, thanks	17:50
@perlmonkey2	Death to all inline JS.	17:52
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@tavisto	oh I thought you and JS were buddies	17:56
@perlmonkey2	tavisto: but three is a crowd. It's either me an Perl or me and JS. I can't handle both together.	17:57
@perlmonkey2	I'm just not that kind of dude.	17:57
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BartJol	hee Martin!	18:36
+MrHairgrease	bart!	18:36
BartJol	how goes it?	18:36
@tavisto	Dutch team!	18:36
+MrHairgrease	Tavis!	18:37
+MrHairgrease	it goes good	18:37
@tavisto	hello	18:37
+MrHairgrease	how make you it?	18:37
@tavisto	uh... I make it good	18:37
BartJol	he, it's the metrosexual guy :)	18:37
+MrHairgrease	I make it with perl	18:37
BartJol	sorry Tavis...	18:38
@tavisto	no.. it's the OQAPI guy	18:38
+MrHairgrease	I know he is	18:38
+MrHairgrease	OQAPI!	18:38
BartJol	nice sweater indeed...	18:38
@tavisto	hehe.. the other night everyone was asking me about my hoodie... I told them all about it	18:38
@tavisto	they were arguing about if the animal was real or not... hehe	18:38
BartJol	well it isn't blue	18:39
+MrHairgrease	it is in Switzerland	18:39
+MrHairgrease	they have purple cows there as well	18:39
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+MrHairgrease	www.milka.nl	18:40
+MrHairgrease	er	18:40
@tavisto	heh nice...	18:40
+MrHairgrease	www.milka.ch	18:40
BartJol	I don't see blue oqapi's...	18:40
+MrHairgrease	www.oqapi.nl	18:41
BartJol	:W	18:41
BartJol	:)	18:41
@tavisto	well we have trees in the middle of bars here	18:41
SynQ2	tavisto my main man :)	18:41
+MrHairgrease	true	18:41
+MrHairgrease	Cone!	18:41
@tavisto	ey Cone!	18:41
@tavisto	Do you miss your Caddy?	18:41
SynQ2	Volkswagen Caddy ;)	18:42
SynQ2	I decided I like my beamer better	18:42
@tavisto	Koen I'm not surprised.. probably more sporty	18:42
SynQ2	and more relaxed too	18:42
@tavisto	I told you it was a fun car though... and meant for old peeps	18:42
SynQ2	here I have a Tessa to drive it	18:42
BartJol	but my ugly pt cruiser performed better than my opel astra	18:43
SynQ2	went to Lionel Richie yesterday	18:43
@tavisto	haha... Bart is going to buy a PT Cruiser	18:43
BartJol	but the automatic gearbox was a downer	18:43
BartJol	nope	18:43
+MrHairgrease	you mean it actually drives	18:43
BartJol	:)\	18:43
BartJol	it already drives, I repaired it thursday	18:43
@tavisto	wow Lionel is the man	18:43
+MrHairgrease	btw: everybody knows that cars without an automatic gearbox are broken	18:43
SynQ2	meant for old peeps :)	18:44
BartJol	like Joeri's that wil be towed to the car-graveyard	18:49
+MrHairgrease	no, that car is not broken because it is an automatic	18:49
@tavisto	hehe	18:49
+MrHairgrease	it's broken because it is	18:50
+MrHairgrease	well	18:50
+MrHairgrease	a pile of crap	18:50
@tavisto	what is it?	18:50
+MrHairgrease	and now he has a broken car	18:50
+MrHairgrease	which drives	18:50
BartJol	a volvo?	18:50
+MrHairgrease	but is a stick shift	18:50
SynQ2	and the worst pile of crap out there	18:50
+MrHairgrease	Peugeot I think	18:50
+MrHairgrease	Karin's car	18:50
BartJol	that one is a peogeot yes	18:51
BartJol	ehhh	18:51
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BartJol	well, going for dinner	18:58
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SynQ2	me 2	18:58
SynQ2	later	18:58
+MrHairgrease	later	18:58
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@tavisto	MrHairgrease, are you all recovered from jet lag?	19:00
+MrHairgrease	guess so	19:00
+MrHairgrease	I never have much of a jet lag anyway	19:01
+MrHairgrease	only the day of arrival	19:01
+MrHairgrease	the next I might be yawning a bit more than usual	19:01
+MrHairgrease	but I'll be fully functional, zo to say	19:02
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@perlmonkey2	bah, the high today will only be about 26C. That is unacceptable for September.	19:16
* perlmonkey2 goes to create more CO2 and while he's at it get more caffeine from the quickshop		19:16
+perlDreamer	Your preference for the Halfling's bean has dulled your senses, perlmonkey2	19:17
@perlmonkey2	In a warmer world, coffee will have a longer growing season. What else needs to be said?	19:19
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+perlDreamer	Is there a kind soul out in the WebGUI verse who would be willing to run a test for me?	19:34
+perlDreamer	I can't duplicate last night's smoke test failures	19:34
@preaction	k	19:35
+perlDreamer	t/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.t	19:35
@preaction	All tests successful.	19:36
+perlDreamer	Hm	19:36
+perlDreamer	Haarg, could a safe,sanitized copy of the nightly smoke test config files be made available?	19:39
@Haarg	probably	19:39
+perlDreamer	thank you :)	19:40
@Haarg	i'll check into it. i haven't looked at how the smoke tests are being done.	19:40
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@perlmonkey2	In the bug about the gotchas not containing a warning that you must upgrade to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.5, where should that go? in the 7.5.0 entry?	19:56
+perlDreamer	I think so.	19:56
@preaction	yes	19:56
topsub	It seems when you have an Event threw the EventManagementSystem and if you do a direct link to buy it, it will allow you to buy it. Would this be a bug?	20:07
topsub	even if its sold out	20:08
+perlDreamer	that's a bug	20:08
topsub	k i will post it	20:09
CIA-39	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7439 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Added gotcha about upgrading to 7.4.40 before moving to 7.5	20:18
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7440 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Macros.pm: display multiple aliases for macros in the Help	20:18
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@perlmonkey2	This 0 not showing up on an integer dataform submission has kicked my butt. No idea why it isn't showing up	21:54
+perlDreamer	It's already fixed	22:10
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: the ticket is still open and no one else has commented on it?	22:11
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I'm at head and I still see teh bug	22:11
@perlmonkey2	The problem isn't that the zero isn't being recorded. But that the template is not showing a zero. getValueAsHtml seems to be the problem, but Im' not sure how.	22:12
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7399	22:13
+perlDreamer	I see	22:15
+perlDreamer	I only fixed 1/2 of it	22:15
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: That was 41 revs ago and I still see it	22:15
@perlmonkey2	oh	22:15
+perlDreamer	It shows up in the list all entires	22:15
+perlDreamer	but not on the acknowledgement	22:15
@perlmonkey2	right	22:15
@perlmonkey2	getOriginalValue seems to be failing to grab it for some reason	22:15
@perlmonkey2	which is ->get('value')	22:16
@perlmonkey2	help! my brain is melting	22:17
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+perlDreamer	the template looks okay	22:20
@perlmonkey2	Now it looks like $self->{_params} isn't being set	22:21
@perlmonkey2	I'm dumping it on submits and if its '1' I see an int set to 1. If it is 0, I see value = ''	22:22
@preaction	perlmonkey2, to be quite honest, i think your best bet will be to write a test for this, and then use the perl debugger to step through and see where 0 changes to ''. perhaps this is a problem with the Integer form control?	22:23
topsub	Has anyone ever thought about integrating a "slider" as a form control? Make it so you can set the min and max numbers. And a user can drag between the max and min..	22:26
@preaction	topsub, the IntSlider maybe?	22:29
topsub	ah, i never looked for one just thought about if it would be useful.	22:29
@preaction	i don't think webgui uses it as much as it could	22:31
topsub	I was thinking about doing a "money" one that auto does 2 dec places, but wasn't sure how much it would be used	22:37
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* perlmonkey2 stabs himself in the eye		22:41
BartJol	Shall I poke you in the other?	22:45
@perlmonkey2	A brick to the head would be more humane.	22:46
BartJol	Yesterday I almost cut my finger off	22:47
nuba	i crashed my car last week	22:47
@preaction	A m??se bit my sister ?nce	22:48
BartJol	what's with your o's	22:48
* MrHairgrease had his shiny metal ass bitten		22:48
nuba	guess his keyboard was bitten too	22:48
BartJol	but nerds are very agile people I see, when it comes to dealing with computers	22:49
@preaction	BartJol, http://www.smouse.force9.co.uk/monty.htm <- opening credits of Monty Python and the Holy Grail	22:49
BartJol	ah :)	22:50
+MrHairgrease	m/o/ose	22:50
@perlmonkey2	A hair product bit your sister?	22:54
+MrHairgrease	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAsYwW7pt7o	22:55
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: I'd imagine cutting off a finger would be quite tragic for a programmer. I hope you don't attempt to cut off your finger again.	22:55
+MrHairgrease	if you cut one	22:56
+MrHairgrease	i guess you should cut the other four as well	22:56
BartJol	almot a horror movie: the one handed programmer	22:57
@perlmonkey2	Let's not do things by half measures, if you do one hand, you might as well do the other.	22:57
BartJol	it was jsut an accident	22:57
@perlmonkey2	Feeding a moose and it almost bit off a finger?	22:57
+MrHairgrease	was it while shaving	22:57
BartJol	but now I've got an excuse for my louzy typing	22:58
+MrHairgrease	or while testing you machtte	22:58
BartJol	MrHairgrease: yes	22:58
BartJol	the first	22:58
@perlmonkey2	Do you shave with a machete?	22:58
BartJol	a small one	22:58
+MrHairgrease	bart is actually dundee	22:58
BartJol	but a bit more clumsy	22:58
+MrHairgrease	actually called* dundee	22:58
@perlmonkey2	He's Australian?	22:58
@perlmonkey2	Or just Austrian?	22:59
BartJol	No, I only talk just as incromprehensive	22:59
+MrHairgrease	in the end everybody speaks garbled crap	23:01
+MrHairgrease	that's why we get along so well i guess	23:01
BartJol	but with two fingers in bandage, I did manage to fix my flat tire	23:01
@perlmonkey2	I say live wild, shave with a machete, as bionic fingers are cooler anyways.	23:05
BartJol	yeah, but everybody will think that I'm a star wars fan	23:07
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: At least all doubts to your paternity will be erased.	23:07
@perlmonkey2	I mean, who wouldn't want Darth as their father?	23:08
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: bad logic inside there	23:09
BartJol	my father doesn't have those, so I suspect I'll be darth vader once	23:09
+perlDreamer	inside getRecordTemplateVars	23:09
+MrHairgrease	use the mass times acceleration bart	23:10
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@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I'm looking there now. But it is all bavarian to me.	23:10
+perlDreamer	When it's bavarian, it's time to drink beer.	23:11
+perlDreamer	I'm really glad things stopped looking greek, because I hate ouzo	23:11
+MrHairgrease	TO THE ESSEN HAUS!	23:11
+perlDreamer	Essen Haus++, but only if the band isn't playing	23:11
+MrHairgrease	hehe	23:12
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: so $form->getValueAsHtml must be the problem child?	23:13
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, maybe.	23:18
+perlDreamer	getValueAsHtml is seeded with a value	23:18
+perlDreamer	it could be from there, too	23:18
@perlmonkey2	All of Form seems incredibly complex.	23:19
@perlmonkey2	Why does getValueAsHtml pass long @_ to getOriginalValue which never grabs more than self. Strang.e	23:21
@preaction	because of the potential for future enhancement	23:22
@perlmonkey2	Maybe some subclasses use it?	23:22
@perlmonkey2	I might just be too retarded to grok Form. Always a possibility.	23:22
@preaction	they shouldn't. subclasses should maintain the same method signatures	23:22
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: getValueAsHtml just returns us to ->get('value');	23:23
@perlmonkey2	Maybe that call should be ->getValue?	23:24
@preaction	i'm still saying that you'd be best served by writing a test and using the debugger to step through things	23:24
@preaction	no, getValueAsHtml should always getOriginalValue	23:24
@perlmonkey2	I looked at writing a test and have no real clue where to start. This thing is huge	23:25
@perlmonkey2	And I've rewritten lots of Form/ and added a few t/Form/*'s	23:25
@preaction	make one for t/Form/Integer that tries to do what it's failing to do correctly	23:26
@preaction	getValue i assume?	23:26
@perlmonkey2	No that works correctly. Maybe get('value') is wrong. Don't knwo	23:27
@preaction	getValueAsHtml then maybe?	23:28
@perlmonkey2	That works too	23:29
@perlmonkey2	I'm not so sure it is in Form/ as it is in DataForm \|\| FormValidator	23:30
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topsub	I am having trouble finding the form that gets displayed after you click "buy" on an event. Any suggestions	23:37
+perlDreamer	topsub, I'd recommend looking in Asset/Sku/EMS*.pm	23:39
topsub	perlDreamer, think i am refering to the one before them	23:41
topsub	one wher eyou can populate from address book	23:41
+perlDreamer	Shop/AddressBook.pm ?	23:42
topsub	the buy link is just a link to the asset	23:44
topsub	so it seems its some flag or something	23:44
+perlDreamer	weird	23:44
SynQ	Is JT ill?	23:48
+perlDreamer	Don't know	23:48
SynQ	he hasn't been posting to the WebGUI discussions	23:49
@preaction	yes	23:49
SynQ	he is?	23:49
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, I have it	23:49
SynQ	I'll have to send him a fruitbasket then	23:49
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: oh for the love of all that is right in the world, please tell me!	23:50
+perlDreamer	It's evil	23:50
+perlDreamer	Let's start at the top	23:50
+perlDreamer	getRecordTemplateVariables	23:50
+perlDreamer	This is a new entry, so no entryId	23:50
+perlDreamer	and $entry is undefined	23:50
+perlDreamer	skip down to 652	23:51
+perlDreamer	Entry is undefined, so it does not pull data from the entryData hashref	23:51
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+perlDreamer	with me so far?	23:52
@perlmonkey2	yes	23:52
@perlmonkey2	never occurred to me it would be that broken	23:52
+perlDreamer	ignoreForm = 1, so the elsif below that is not executed	23:52
+perlDreamer	and there's no fallback	23:52
+perlDreamer	so $value is undefined	23:52
+perlDreamer	when $value is undefined in the Form call, it falls back to defaultValue, which iss ''	23:52
+perlDreamer	(empty string)	23:53
@perlmonkey2	that would imply that the submitted value doesn't matter	23:53
@perlmonkey2	but it does. Any non-zero int is displayed	23:53
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juan	i have several posts in a CS	23:54
juan	i want to refresh the rating to 0 for all the posts	23:54
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juan	using mysql i put in 0 all of them but i have some strange	23:55
juan	i have a specific post when someone goes to rate it takes the original value that it has	23:55
juan	for example it had 34 in rating	23:56
juan	i put it in 0	23:56
juan	if i go to rate again appears in 34 again	23:56
juan	what is the problem?	23:56
+perlDreamer	juan, if you cleared it in the db, then it might be cached	23:57
+perlDreamer	have you cleared the cache?	23:57
+MrHairgrease	juan	23:57
juan	yes	23:57
+MrHairgrease	did you clear Post.rating as well as Thread.threadRating?	23:57
juan	I cleared the cache	23:57
juan	i only cleared Post rating	23:58
juan	i am going to check thread	23:58
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, my bad.	23:58
+MrHairgrease	check threadRating for your magic 34	23:58
+perlDreamer	ignoreForm = 0, for !ignoreForm = 1	23:58
+perlDreamer	but the form processed data is 0, which is false	23:58
+perlDreamer	needs a defined check in there, or a non-empty string check, or something	23:58
@perlmonkey2	defined should work	23:59
@perlmonkey2	woot	23:59
+MrHairgrease	w/o/ot	23:59
+perlDreamer	wo2t	23:59
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@perlmonkey2	done	00:00
@perlmonkey2	Thanks perlDreamer. I can now remove this fork from the back of my hand that I was using to help ignore the pain from this bug :)	00:01
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juan	MrHairgrease, i change the value in this both tables, cleared the cache but the problem continues, the post continues with the same rating value	00:15
juan	i have changed both values to 0 in both tables Post.rating, Thread.threadRating but someonesi logged to rate the post takes its original value	00:23
juan	i cleared cache, restarted the web server but the problem continues	00:25
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juan	i made a copy from that CS, could be it the problem?	00:27
CIA-39	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7441 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Form/Integer now shows 0 in post submission page (Thanks perlDreamer)	00:27
juan	help me	00:40
BartJol	also cleared your browser cache?	00:42
juan	yes	00:43
metanil	how do i know a new group has been created?? (any hook available??)	00:44
juan	but i have 3 tables with rating Post.rating, Thread.threadRating and Post_rating.rating	00:44
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juan	in the 3 tables i delete the respective records	00:44
juan	but when someone goes to rate again the post takes the original value	00:45
juan	my question what about the table Thread_read	00:45
juan	have to delete the records in this table, too?	00:46
SynQ	Hi there, shameless karma whore plug: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/what-makes-you-donate-your-karma	00:50
SynQ	preaction, perlDreamer, perlmonkey2, Haarg, MrHairgrease please respond to that discussion thread	00:50
SynQ	I beg you :)	00:50
@perlmonkey2	What's in it for me?	00:51
@perlmonkey2	Nude photos of your beamer?	00:51
@perlmonkey2	And dude, I mean your car	00:51
BartJol	metanil: just go to the group list	00:54
BartJol	or do you mean ntification?	00:54
SynQ	uh	00:55
SynQ	photo's of my beamer, hell yea	00:55
SynQ	perlDreamer: are you around?	00:55
SynQ	I have fixed a bug in the WRE	00:55
+perlDreamer	I'm here	00:55
+perlDreamer	cool!	00:55
metanil	BartJol: i mean .. i need to call a method, if a new group is created.	00:55
SynQ	now I'd like to close the report	00:55
+perlDreamer	can you give me a URL?	00:55
SynQ	It's this one http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-thread_cache-in-my.cnf	00:56
SynQ	of course I'd like to get the karma that comes with closing a bug	00:56
+perlDreamer	you kind of did	00:56
@perlmonkey2	synq what is the rate of exchange for bugs for karma?	00:56
+perlDreamer	it's 10/post	00:56
SynQ	since I'm all in it for the karma ;)	00:56
+perlDreamer	so by saying that you closed it, you got 10 karma	00:56
SynQ	That is not a lot for all that hard work (open the file, change one number and then commiting it)	00:57
SynQ	:P	00:57
SynQ	perlmonkey2: I have no idea	00:57
+perlDreamer	Technically, we don't have a karma/bug thing	00:57
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I'm on janitor duty this week and have karma to burn :)	00:57
+perlDreamer	Most of the time, people who _fix_ bugs don't get karma	00:58
@perlmonkey2	SynQ: Yes, that deserves what, 200 more?	00:58
+perlDreamer	aside from posting on the bug forum	00:58
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, 500 at least	00:58
SynQ	hehe	00:58
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: then what does a big bug get?	00:58
+perlDreamer	that's an 8-bit fix	00:58
+perlDreamer	50 karma	00:59
+perlDreamer	but I tip big...	00:59
@perlmonkey2	course, whatever I give SynQ I'll have to give you 10x for the killer dataform bug	00:59
+perlDreamer	so, use your best judgement	00:59
SynQ	hmm	00:59
SynQ	I cannot sort the bug list	00:59
BartJol	metanil: so when a group is created by an user, you want to trigger a workflow?	00:59
metanil	not a workflow, just want call a method of my own class.	01:00
+perlDreamer	SynQ: In a way, you're in a bad position. Karma is made for coders, designers, etc.	01:00
+perlDreamer	It's hard for hosters to get karma.	01:00
+perlDreamer	Although, since BartJol works for you, his karma is technically owned by your company...	01:01
BartJol	eeh	01:01
+perlDreamer	And translators don't get karma either.	01:01
+perlDreamer	which is a bummer	01:01
BartJol	well, I get to report i18n bugs	01:01
+perlDreamer	This is now I see karma	01:02
+perlDreamer	Karma is how to make PB do work for me.	01:02
BartJol	that gives me karma	01:02
+perlDreamer	Or how to get me rank on the RFE list, which might make someone else build my RFE	01:02
+perlDreamer	or, now, for buying stuff	01:02
SynQ	uh huh	01:02
SynQ	now here is another problem	01:02
SynQ	this RFE http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/innodb-in-wre	01:02
SynQ	I can make it happen	01:02
BartJol	metanil: mmm I would like to dig in more, but I am getting a bit sleepy	01:02
SynQ	but I'm not sure if JT really wants that option in the WRE	01:03
BartJol	hey Koen, I saw an orer coming by	01:03
metanil	any other volunteer... i want to call a method as soon as any new group is created in webgui..	01:03
+perlDreamer	metanil, it will take custom code. There's no plug-in point for doing that.	01:04
+perlDreamer	Look inside Operation/Group.pm and Group.pm	01:04
@preaction	metanil, the only good way would be to make a workflow plugin point, commit it to core WebGUI, and make a workflow activity	01:04
@preaction	otherwise, you have to edit WebGUI, which usually fails when you upgrade	01:04
SynQ	an orer?	01:05
SynQ	an order for a gift basket perhaps?	01:05
metanil	workflow plugin point sounds nice, but never done it before.	01:05
BartJol	indeed	01:06
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SynQ	BartJol: that is correct	01:06
SynQ	but don't mention it here	01:06
SynQ	:P	01:06
BartJol	hey, I've only got 8.5 fingers to type with	01:06
BartJol	what eggs?	01:06
CIA-39	WebGUI: koen * r7442 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: Fixed http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-thread_cache-in-my.cnf	01:06
@perlmonkey2	If PB puts InnoDB in the stack, wouldn't they then have to support it?	01:08
@preaction	yes	01:08
@preaction	we're moving to innodb probably	01:08
@preaction	so we can maybe use drizzle	01:08
@Haarg	we wouldn't have to support webgui on innodb though	01:08
@perlmonkey2	Yeah, drizzle is ++ with teh sexy	01:08
@Haarg	(for now i mean)	01:08
+cap10morgan	is it possible to delete questions from a survey asset?	01:09
+cap10morgan	i feel sorta dumb, but i don't see the option...	01:09
SynQ	so	01:09
+cap10morgan	s/s/n, SynQ?	01:09
SynQ	would it be right for me to add innodb support into the wre svn repo?	01:09
+cap10morgan	ah, nope :)	01:09
+cap10morgan	nm	01:09
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SynQ	s/s/n ?	01:09
+cap10morgan	sorry, thought maybe you were replying to me	01:10
+cap10morgan	w/ a "no" that ended up a "so" :)	01:10
SynQ	cap10morgan: I don't know the answer to your question	01:11
BartJol	I jsut tested it, just scroll down	01:11
BartJol	(in my template anyways	01:11
@tavisto	SynQ, how much karma will buy your Beamer?	01:11
+perlDreamer	Full text search doesn't work on INNOdb, so core WebGUI cannot be used on it.	01:11
@tavisto	we talking like 1500 or 2000?	01:11
BartJol	there is a list with questions underneath the view grade stuff	01:12
SynQ	tavisto: let's see	01:12
@tavisto	Karma is very high at the moment... Even higher than the Euro	01:12
BartJol	his beamer? 10 for the purchase, 10000 every week for maintenance	01:12
@tavisto	haha	01:12
+perlDreamer	tavis has no karma	01:12
SynQ	that would be 1800000 karma	01:12
@tavisto	wha!?	01:12
+perlDreamer	scammer!	01:12
+perlDreamer	$1 = K100	01:13
+perlDreamer	1.8 MK	01:13
BartJol	cap10morgan: it might be that you use a template where the editable questions arwen't shown	01:13
+cap10morgan	yeah, i'm thinking that's the case	01:13
BartJol	than you can first choose the default one	01:14
@tavisto	tavis creates a ball of fire and then molds it into 1799999 Karma	01:14
+cap10morgan	i upgrade this site to 7.5 recently from 7.4	01:14
@tavisto	ooooh.. looks like I don't have enough Koen	01:14
+cap10morgan	BartJol: cool, will check that out. thanks.	01:14
BartJol	then they should be there	01:14
SynQ	tavisto: shipping it to the US would cost you 200000 karma too	01:14
+perlDreamer	that's 200 kK	01:14
SynQ	tavisto: if you come over here I'll let you drive it for 500 karma per 10 minutes :)	01:15
@tavisto	Nah I would just come over and run it on the crazy german highway	01:15
snapcount	anyone experience trouble getting mod_proxy to start with wre 0.8.4 on a fresh install?	01:15
snapcount	error about exceeding max forwards	01:15
snapcount	SLES 10.1	01:15
snapcount	proxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /	01:15
@tavisto	Synq, how is the ICE trains? I was looking at flights to Amsterdam and Frankfurt	01:16
@tavisto	er how are the trains	01:16
SynQ	ICE is ok but no match to the beamer	01:16
SynQ	oh my	01:16
SynQ	my wife is calling me	01:16
SynQ	I have to come to bed	01:16
+perlDreamer	She wants pickle-peanut butter ice cream with chocolate sauce	01:16
@Haarg	i know perlmonkey2 had an issue with that snapcount, but we never resolved it. most likely something wrong with how the domain is resolving.	01:17
SynQ	perlDreamer: not that, she wants me to rub her belly	01:17
BartJol	training from frankfurt to the netherlands? you should do that with a high speed train	01:17
+perlDreamer	Even better.	01:17
SynQ	indeed	01:17
snapcount	Haarg: thanks... I checked that first =)	01:17
@perlmonkey2	snapcount: I have no idea how to fix it. I'm just dev'ing so I'm only using modperl now	01:17
SynQ	I'm off, but be warned, I'll read the backlog first thing in the morning	01:17
snapcount	resolves from command line but apache might have an issue	01:17
BartJol	but directly to amsterdam is better tavisto	01:17
SynQ	later guys	01:18
@tavisto	cya Synq	01:18
BartJol	tot morgen	01:18
snapcount	also FYI - the errata post has a typo on the required modules	01:18
+cap10morgan	BartJol: still in the template, just not showing up	01:18
+cap10morgan	maybe a bug in 7.5.21?	01:18
snapcount	it should be install Scalar::Util	01:18
@perlmonkey2	be back later tonight	01:18
+cap10morgan	admin is on, etc.	01:18
BartJol	maybe	01:18
+cap10morgan	i'll try it in a demo	01:18
+cap10morgan	beta demo is 7.5.21?	01:19
@Haarg	yeah, Scalar-List-Utils is the name of the distro	01:19
@Haarg	beta and normal demo are both 7.5.21	01:19
snapcount	I'll keep digging Haarg and let you guys know if I figure it out... just thought I'd ask before I got into it	01:20
+cap10morgan	nope, works in the demo	01:20
+cap10morgan	so maybe a 7.4 -> 7.5 upgrade bug	01:20
BartJol	mm, just temporay set another template, see wath that does to it	01:20
BartJol	in a tag	01:20
@Haarg	first thing i'll recommend, there is a section that proxies based on HTTP_PORT	01:21
@Haarg	in the mod_proxy config	01:21
+perlDreamer	check the template for typos, cap10morgan	01:21
+cap10morgan	nope, it wasn't there when the site was in 7.4	01:21
+cap10morgan	it's still the default (and only) template	01:21
BartJol	oh	01:21
@Haarg	i'd remove that. i don't think it will fix the problem, but that part is basically useless and will be removed.	01:22
@Haarg	HTTP_HOST rather	01:22
BartJol	strange, I've got a 7.5.8 site and it does show the edit buttons	01:22
BartJol	default template	01:23
BartJol	what kinda use are you? If you're not admin that might give troubles	01:24
+cap10morgan	admin	01:24
+cap10morgan	admin is on	01:24
+cap10morgan	user is in the admins group	01:24
+cap10morgan	the other controls are there	01:24
+cap10morgan	the add question, add section stuff	01:25
snapcount	Haarg: commenting out the first rewrite cond for port 80 and the proxy directive fixed it for me	01:25
snapcount	not sure why that's even there really	01:25
snapcount	never did figure it out	01:25
@Haarg	it serves no purpose now	01:25
snapcount	oh ok	01:26
@Haarg	the second rewrite used to be different	01:26
@Haarg	and then it was needed	01:26
@Haarg	but when i changed the second rewrite, i neglected to take out the first one	01:26
snapcount	maybe that can be yanked in wre 0.8.5 then	01:26
snapcount	not sure if it causes grief with other distros	01:26
@Haarg	i've been meaning to commit that change for a few days	01:27
snapcount	anyways, thanks for your time man	01:27
BartJol	cap10morgan: can it be hidden by some other div in the page template? if so, you should be able to find it in the html source	01:27
snapcount	appreciate it	01:27
+cap10morgan	BartJol: yeah, was about to check that	01:27
+cap10morgan	nope, not in the html	01:32
+cap10morgan	i'm gonna compare my copy of the template to the demo site	01:32
+cap10morgan	just in case	01:32
BartJol	well, otherwise I have no ideas left...	01:33
+perlDreamer	No ideas left?	01:35
+perlDreamer	One finger, please	01:35
BartJol	well, it's gettin late here	01:36
BartJol	right now I should be doing something else in my bed. like sleeping	01:36
BartJol	but I hang on for a moment to see how cap will do	01:37
BartJol	for the moment I can only annoy you with sailing pictures: http://www.fotoboot.nl/fotos/zzr08/slides/ZR8-5950.html	01:38
+cap10morgan	no differences in the templates	01:40
+cap10morgan	copied them to text files and ran diff on them	01:40
+cap10morgan	between pb demo site and my site	01:40
+cap10morgan	so weird!	01:40
CIA-39	WebGUI: graham * r7443 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template: no longer need requite rule to deal with port in host	01:40
+cap10morgan	it's like the section.questions_loop is empty	01:40
+cap10morgan	time to dive into the code	01:41
BartJol	maybe there's a change in the db, you might check the gotchas first	01:42
+cap10morgan	always do before an upgrade	01:42
BartJol	mm	01:42
BartJol	wise men	01:42
+cap10morgan	besides, this survey was created w/ this version of webgui	01:42
+cap10morgan	let's see what the sql that populates that variable returns for this survey	01:43
+cap10morgan	ok, that works, assuming the right values are ending up in the query when it runs	01:45
+cap10morgan	i'll spit it out in the log file	01:45
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+cap10morgan	ah ha!	01:56
+perlDreamer	what is it?	01:56
+cap10morgan	the section query returns no sections	01:56
+cap10morgan	so somehow that got corrupted...	01:56
+perlDreamer	uh oh	01:56
+cap10morgan	that's odd	01:56
+perlDreamer	so why does it work on beta?	01:56
+cap10morgan	i would assume it does return a section there	01:56
+cap10morgan	all the questions on my site have a section id	01:56
+cap10morgan	i just need to see why this query has no results	01:57
+cap10morgan	and we have a questions_loop, ladies and gentelmen	01:58
+cap10morgan	thank you for playing Debugging WebGUI	01:58
+cap10morgan	i'm your host, cap10morgan, signing off for now	01:58
+perlDreamer	what was the problem?	01:58
+cap10morgan	i have no idea	01:59
+perlDreamer	but it works now?	01:59
+cap10morgan	yeah	01:59
+cap10morgan	a co-worker created the survey	01:59
+cap10morgan	i don't know if she did something weird to make it not generate a default None section	01:59
+cap10morgan	or if she could have somehow deleted it along the way	01:59
+cap10morgan	but it does seem like there's at least a UI bug in there somewhere	01:59
+cap10morgan	since it seems like you wouldn't want to be able to get yourself into this situation	02:00
+perlDreamer	maybe she's cursed	02:00
+cap10morgan	hahaha	02:00
+cap10morgan	maybe	02:00
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BartJol	well, good to know that the problem is analysed, now, I'm going to sleep	02:04
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+cap10morgan	yeah, she deleted the section	02:07
+cap10morgan	but it didn't delete the questions under it, it just made it impossible to edit or delete them any further because it made the section.questions_loop variable become empty	02:08
+cap10morgan	so that seems like a bug	02:08
+perlDreamer	post it	02:08
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2 loves to fix survey bugs	02:08
+cap10morgan	huh, the demo stopped me	02:09
+cap10morgan	said i was trying to delete a vital system component	02:09
+cap10morgan	but apparently it did not stop her	02:09
+perlDreamer	She's not cursed, she's powerful!	02:09
+perlDreamer	or maybe both	02:09
+cap10morgan	man, how do users always find a way to trigger these corner cases?	02:09
+cap10morgan	seriously	02:10
+cap10morgan	she's a witch! burn her!	02:10
+perlDreamer	Is the key logger on her computer still working so we can figure out what she did?	02:10
+cap10morgan	hahahhaa	02:10
* cap10morgan checks		02:10
+cap10morgan	nope, she crashed it by typing a rare sequence of keys that disables all key loggers	02:10
+cap10morgan	;)	02:11
+perlDreamer	the force is strong with this one	02:11
+cap10morgan	it's true	02:11
+cap10morgan	well, hopefully she won't do it again.	02:11
+perlDreamer	Actually, I hope she does, so she can tell us what she did.	02:11
+perlDreamer	if she did it without hacking the db, then it's still a bug	02:12
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7444 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add more tests for Workflow mode, and validating the activity that was returned	02:16
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patspam	morning!	03:23
@preaction	morning!	03:24
@preaction	patspam, about your bugs for the thingy. i had an idea to make a "getEditForm" for WebGUI::Form::Control and subclasses	03:36
@preaction	this would be used by Thingy and by the User Profiling admin area	03:36
@preaction	ooh, Content Profiling too	03:36
@preaction	that would fix your problem, but it'd be a bit of work	03:36
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topsub	morning??? its 9pm!	04:03
patspam	preaction: for specifying extra form options?	04:05
@preaction	patspam, yeah. for getting form control configuration from the end-user	04:05
@preaction	one of the problems with our current solution is that we have one form for all controls, which means the help says "this doesn't apply to list-types" or other such	04:06
@preaction	which is confusing to the end user	04:06
patspam	yeah, and lots of extra options can't be specified (like range on sliders)	04:06
@preaction	yeah	04:07
patspam	Survey might be able to make use of that too	04:07
@preaction	dunno, but i have a few projects on my list that would	04:07
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patspam	perlmonkey2: you still awak?	05:53
patspam	(e)	05:54
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7445 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: remove debug code	07:05
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7446 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add a few more random tests, checking guid validity and getList return type	07:05
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:27
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BartJol	goed morning, just as sunny as here?	16:34
SDuensin	It's gloomy in St. Louis.	16:35
topsub	bout to storm in Charlotte!	16:41
@perlmonkey2	overcast in Oklahoma	16:45
SDuensin	Any of you geeks played with Cappuccino any?	16:49
SDuensin	rizen had talked about wanting to put a more "desktop" or "wigit-ish" admin panel and such in WebGUI before. I'd say it's well worth the look.	16:50
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@perlmonkey2	SynQ: If you're around, could you show me the confirmation you received for the karma? There appears to be a bug.	16:53
BartJol	SynQ is in a meeting	16:55
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@perlmonkey2	BartJol: Always with the business and making money, never with the fun and IRQ.	16:58
BartJol	IRQ?	16:58
BartJol	IRC and ICQ I heard off	16:58
BartJol	whateeever	16:59
@perlmonkey2	You haven't heard of IRQ. It is like the coolest new thing no one has ever heard of.	17:00
BartJol	then it must be really cool	17:01
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@bopbop	perlmonkey2: just gifted you some. It went to my spam when I received some, so you might have to check there.	17:14
@perlmonkey2	right on, thanks	17:14
* SDuensin remembers IRQs. COM1 and 3 are on 4 and 2 and 4 are on 3.		17:18
BartJol	I only see interrupt request	17:19
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: What about my $from = $headers->{from} \|\| "<$userName> ".$session->setting->get("companyEmail");	17:25
@perlmonkey2	oh, wait the <> are on the wrong part, but you get what I mean, right?	17:26
@Haarg	i'm not certain how the best way to handle that is	17:27
@Haarg	one issue with just sticking the sending user as the from is then there is no real indication the message was sent through the site	17:28
@Haarg	i guess what you have would make sense, using the site's email with the user's name	17:29
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@perlmonkey2	Haarg: you know of any easy way to test the change in Mail/Send? I'm not that familiar with sendmail and would hate to have my ISP shut me off for sending out mail when I'm not supposed to.	18:04
@Haarg	this is for the inbox thing?	18:06
@perlmonkey2	yes	18:07
@Haarg	two thoughts are - i think there is an option to dump emails to a log instead of sending them that was added recently. second, emails are always queued then sent by spectre. you can turn off spectre and just look in the mailQueue table.	18:07
@perlmonkey2	setting a user's email to root@localhost.localdomain doens't work :)	18:07
@perlmonkey2	okay groovy	18:07
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@perlmonkey2	Haarg: From: bob <info@mycompany.com> is what you wanted right?	18:12
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elnino	Im not on wireless!! I shouldn't be disconnected anymore! yeah husband!	18:13
elnino	question -	18:13
@Haarg	i think it will work; i'm not certain	18:13
elnino	can I use subscriptions and workflows to periodically send out text messages to subscribers?	18:13
@Haarg	the other option that comes to mind is adding some text before inbox messages that are sent out saying who sent it	18:14
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: looking at the complete headers of email sent out ot me, it looks like the [name <email addy>] is the proper syntax.	18:15
elnino	And, is there a "are you over 16 options" type thing for subscriptions?	18:15
@Haarg	yeah, i was just considering if instead of having the name in the from header putting it in a preface to the message body	18:16
@perlmonkey2	yeah, just got mail to [poopoohead <kaleb@plainblack.com>] :D	18:16
@Haarg	heh	18:16
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: so that wouldn't be in Mail/Send.pm but added to CS and the Karma package?	18:17
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@Haarg	it would be in the inbox code	18:18
@Haarg	the CS already handles this as needed	18:18
@perlmonkey2	ic	18:18
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@perlmonkey2	Haarg: sorry to be tedious but I want to be clear on this. You want Inbox to prepend all msg text with a short descriptor of who sent the message?	18:26
@Haarg	i'm thinking that would be the way to go	18:27
CIA-39	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7447 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Sent email from field now prefixed with username	18:37
elnino	is there an option in webgui to have a "if you are 16 or older?" condition before purchasing a subscription?	18:47
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@perlmonkey2	When adding a new module to i18n is there some place it needs to be registerd?	18:59
+perlDreamer	No	19:03
+perlDreamer	Is it not showing up?	19:03
@preaction	elnino, no, but you could make a group for people >= 16 years old, then put the subscription in that group	19:04
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elnino	preaction, thatnks, I'll think about that approach some more. Do you happen to know if there is a way of text messaging (to a cel phone) from webgui?	19:09
@preaction	elnino, google for "sms gateway", just about every phone has an email address	19:10
elnino	ah. that's accrynom I was looking for. Thanks!	19:10
elnino	so as long as I can send an email and the phone has an email, I can text message it?	19:13
CIA-39	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7448 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Inbox messages now tell you who the message was from	19:13
@preaction	elnino, in theory, yes	19:15
elnino	ok. theorys work for me. =)	19:15
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+perlDreamer	nice reply on the forum, bopbop	19:30
@bopbop	thanks perlDreamer	19:30
@perlmonkey2	Is this really a bug? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/i-need-a-template-for-this-display#-RpBtut6vo6JYj6SpENDuQ	19:34
@rizen	yes	19:35
@rizen	things that are not templated that an end user can see are bugs	19:35
@rizen	if it were an admin only screen then it wouldn't be a bug	19:35
@perlmonkey2	Okay	19:36
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: I answered your i18n question earlier, is it working okay now?	19:36
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: My internet has been flaky, I may not have seen it. But I resolved the problem "my $text = $i18n->get; $text = "whatever";" Note the missing concat in the second statement :)	19:37
+perlDreamer	my $text = $i18n->get('key', 'namespace'); # ???	19:42
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: if you create the i18n with the namespace you dont' need to use it in the get's right?	19:45
+perlDreamer	That's right, but you still have to give it a key/label to lookup	19:46
@perlmonkey2	right, that was never the problem	19:47
@perlmonkey2	not concat'ing was the problem	19:47
+perlDreamer	oh	19:47
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@bopbop	perlmonkey2: feel free to go out to my training site to look at the Thingy I refer to in the bug report	19:53
@perlmonkey2	bopbop: err, sorry but I don't know the url	19:53
@bopbop	I'll provide it	19:54
@perlmonkey2	With the Thingy, when adding a thing to another thing, can you only add things that have already been instantiated?	20:02
@bopbop	perlmonkey2: a Thing isn't being added	20:03
@bopbop	a record in a thing	20:03
@bopbop	is being created	20:03
@bopbop	and the field in the cross-linked thing isn't displaying all possible values	20:04
@perlmonkey2	Let's say you have container Thing and Fruit thing. You create a basket and want to add fruit to the basket. Fruit can be apple, pear, or bananna. When you create the basket I don't think you can add Fruit to it, but only an already create apple, pear, or banana. Can someone tell me if this is correct or not?	20:05
@preaction	you're correct, but i think she's saying that the new Basket is not showing Apple Pear and Banana, it's missing some	20:06
@bopbop	right	20:06
@bopbop	the original container thing is only displaying apple and banana	20:07
@bopbop	no pear	20:07
@bopbop	but I made all three fruits a possible field value in the fruit basket	20:07
@perlmonkey2	preaction: but the apple, pear and banana haven't been created yet. They are only possible options for the fruit	20:07
@bopbop	the FIELD should display all as possible values though	20:08
@bopbop	if someone gives me a fruit basket, and there are three fruits to select from, I should be able to select from all three	20:09
@bopbop	right?	20:09
@perlmonkey2	I'm not sure if they have to be created already or not	20:09
@perlmonkey2	you're saying no and I'm guessing yes	20:09
@preaction	so we created a Fruit thing and a Basket thing, right?	20:10
@bopbop	but it's a select box- shouldn't I be able to select from all possible values?	20:10
@preaction	then we added some Fruits to the Fruit thing	20:10
@perlmonkey2	yes, which in my mind are definitions of things.	20:10
@bopbop	the fruits aren't the thing	20:10
@perlmonkey2	preaction: only 2 of the 3 fruits though	20:10
@preaction	so we have Apple, Pear, and Banana as Fruits in the Fruit thing	20:10
@bopbop	in a select box	20:10
@perlmonkey2	preaction: apple, pear, and banana re possible fruits. We only have 2 created	20:10
@bopbop	you can choose apple, pear, or banana	20:10
@preaction	oh, this isn't a Thing linking to another Thing?	20:11
@perlmonkey2	yes it is	20:11
@perlmonkey2	a basket containing a fruit thing	20:11
@bopbop	no, a basket linked to a fruit thing	20:11
@perlmonkey2	but the basket can only add two of the fruits.	20:11
@bopbop	through a common field	20:11
@perlmonkey2	oh	20:11
@perlmonkey2	I thought you added the fruit thing to the basket. I'm an idiot	20:12
@bopbop	it's confusing terminology	20:12
@bopbop	you're not an idiot	20:12
@perlmonkey2	I need to read the specs on Thingy because in your Employee Contact Information, "Department" is a "Employee Department Assignment" being linked on the "Department" field.	20:14
@bopbop	I can email you exactly what I did to create it if you want	20:15
@perlmonkey2	Which in my head translates into a Basket having a fruit-type field which is a fruit which links on the fruit's fruit-type.	20:15
@perlmonkey2	I think I understand what you did. I'm not sure what the Thingy is supposed to do.	20:15
@bopbop	ok	20:16
@perlmonkey2	What it's like 6pm in the Netherlands. Those guys all go home early?	20:16
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juan	i have the next error	20:19
juan	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29ad16ba	20:19
juan	can i fix it running rebuildLineage.pl?	20:21
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@preaction	juan, you might be able to. most likely there's an asset with that lineage that can't be instanciated (is broken). you'll need to remove it	20:23
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juan	i ran rebuildLineage.pl and the error was fixed	20:33
juan	thanks	20:33
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+perlDreamer	anyone tinkered with this yet? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/09/1558218&from=rss	20:40
@preaction	perlDreamer, not yet no	20:59
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+perlDreamer	rizen: In t/Workflow.t it says that the workflows should check to make sure that you don't make mismatched activities (those that require user objects vs version tags and so on). Do you want that coded in?	21:24
@rizen	what do you mean "coded in"	21:25
+perlDreamer	Right now Workflow.pm does not do that checking. Do you want me to add that code to Workflow.pm to make it do that?	21:27
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wgGuest23	Hello!	21:34
+perlDreamer	Hello, wgGuest23.	21:34
@perlmonkey2	hello	21:34
+perlDreamer	If you wish, you can set a name for yourself by typing /nick myName	21:34
wgGuest23	Any news when WRE 085 is coming ?	21:34
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Jmack	Does someone know when WRE is coming out? 2 days, 2 weeks etc?	21:37
@preaction	i know it's being worked on	21:37
Jmack	I saw that on svn..	21:38
SynQ	ah	21:38
SynQ	Karma well received :)	21:39
elnino	to add a site with wre, all I have to do is run addsite? do I create a db first? or is it using the same db asmy othersite?	21:39
Jmack	jep ;-)	21:39
@preaction	elnino, addsite creates the DB for you, and does everything else necessary	21:39
elnino	cool.	21:39
Jmack	I'll contact you soon.. SynQ	21:40
Jmack	Have to go..	21:40
+perlDreamer	Jmack, were you part of the Dutch Invasion Force this year?	21:40
Jmack	No	21:40
Jmack	never been at a wuc	21:40
Jmack	When will there be one in NL?	21:41
Jmack	:-)	21:41
+perlDreamer	Sounds like an RFE	21:41
+MrHairgrease	there has been one	21:41
+MrHairgrease	in amsterdam	21:41
Jmack	yeah I know..	21:42
+MrHairgrease	in 2005 if i'm not mistaken	21:42
Jmack	By then I was quite new to WebGUI..	21:42
Jmack	next time ;-)	21:43
+MrHairgrease	who knows	21:43
+perlDreamer	maybe next year you could come the USWUC, and ride inside SynQ's luggage?	21:43
Jmack	haha	21:43
SynQ	Jmack: WRE will be out soon I hope	21:43
+MrHairgrease	synq's luggage is already filled with ego	21:43
+MrHairgrease	=)	21:44
SynQ	I cannot release it though	21:44
Jmack	Ok, was wondering when I could upgrade my server..	21:45
Jmack	I'll check the site in a few days, or here on IRC	21:45
Jmack	cu	21:45
+MrHairgrease	later	21:45
SynQ	cu	21:45
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+MrHairgrease	ah	21:46
+MrHairgrease	time for the kroegentocht!	21:46
+perlDreamer	Just what I was thinking.	21:46
+perlDreamer	whatsa kroegentocht?	21:47
CIA-39	WebGUI: translation * r7449 /translations/Slovenian/ (162 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	21:48
+MrHairgrease	it's a tour along a whole slew of bars, which in this case we have in order to aquaint orselves with new members of the koornbeurs	21:48
+perlDreamer	koornbeurs? Are those like koenbiers?	21:49
SynQ	rizen: can I implement this rfe? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/innodb-in-wre	21:49
@rizen	how would you implement it?	21:50
SynQ	change the compile options for mysql probably	21:51
SynQ	ie, remove this from the build.sh script --without-innodb	21:51
SynQ	then innodb support will be compiled into mysql	21:52
SynQ	in fact I think that is all there is to it	21:52
SynQ	rizen: have you been working on the WRE lately?	21:55
SynQ	since I have a few more hours to work on it today	21:55
SynQ	I could add the needed perl modules to the build script too	21:56
elnino	preaction, addsite works slick! Since I don't have my domains pointed here yet, All I should need to do is change the proxy file <VirtualHost *:80>	21:56
elnino	to <VirtualHost withanipaddress:80>	21:56
elnino	right?	21:56
SynQ	do you keep the prereqs source files in a special place somewhere?	21:56
@preaction	elnino, you shouldn't need to. you should just add the domain name to the /etc/hosts file	21:56
elnino	it's hosted somewhere else right now.	21:57
elnino	I need to develope the site and access it by ip for now.	21:57
elnino	and actually, there are two new ones, so I was thinking of doing them at different ports like 83 and 84	21:58
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@preaction	elnino, then put the ip address in your hosts file maybe? your local one. or give it some ServerAlias and put that IP in your hosts file	22:03
SynQ	preaction, perlDreamer, MrHairgrease please do me a favour and reply to my question: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/what-makes-you-donate-your-karma	22:03
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SynQ	rizen: I'm testing the compile for a build.sh without the --without-innodb switch now	22:12
SynQ	ofcourse it takes 25 minutes to compile it all :)	22:12
+perlDreamer	I can remember when it took 25 minutes to compile perl	22:12
SynQ	perlDreamer: I compiled perl once on a HP-UX 9.x machine	22:13
SynQ	it took 3 days	22:13
SynQ	and that was perl 5.0 :)	22:13
+perlDreamer	I guess I was lucky to have my Sun Sparc 10 then :)	22:13
SynQ	it took me 3 weeks before I got perl to finish compiling succesfully though	22:14
SynQ	and a day after I found out there where pre-compiled packages at a very nearby mirror	22:15
SynQ	rizen: did you see my comments and questions?	22:19
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SynQ	hi monkey2	22:19
@perlmonkey2	hello	22:21
SynQ	I recieved the karma loud and clearly	22:23
SynQ	but if you want to try it again, be my guest :)	22:23
+perlDreamer	It would be nice if users could add karma to their bugs, and the person who closes the bug gets the karma.	22:24
+perlDreamer	ditto with RFEs	22:24
SynQ	I agree	22:24
+perlDreamer	that would then give us devs karma to play with	22:24
SynQ	I bet there is even an rfe fot that	22:24
+perlDreamer	and then there's a karma cycle/economy	22:24
+perlDreamer	where consumption =~ production	22:24
@rizen	the --without-innodb switch is part of it	22:27
@rizen	but i've also removed all of the innodb stuff from the mysql config file	22:28
SynQ	I think technically that solves the RFE	22:28
SynQ	since the RFE only asks for the builtin innodb engine	22:28
SynQ	not for any configuration	22:28
@rizen	sorry	22:29
@rizen	what i mean is..there should be the no-innodb or skip-innodb added to the default config	22:29
@rizen	i forget what it's called	22:29
SynQ	oh ok	22:29
@Haarg	that's already in there afaik	22:29
SynQ	I'll look that up	22:29
SynQ	and make sure mysql starts	22:29
SynQ	perlDreamer: I've added your suggestions to the RFE list	22:32
+perlDreamer	I still haven't thought of a larger part for hosters in the karma economy though.	22:32
+perlDreamer	It's still slanted toward designers, coders and documenters	22:33
SynQ	hosters are bloodsuckers	22:33
SynQ	they have to do an extra part to get to the karma	22:33
SynQ	like translate or document	22:33
+perlDreamer	well, even today, translators don't get karma for translating	22:35
SynQ	ah	22:35
SynQ	yet another RFE	22:35
+perlDreamer	that's a big rfe, since the translation server is completely outside of wG	22:35
@Haarg	yeah, and it has no user tracking	22:36
SynQ	perlDreamer: but it is an rfe now	22:36
elnino	http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/new-modproxy-config-creates-open-proxies - this is interesting. I had upgraded to .84 a while ago, and Just added a site. But it's still using the .83 method of proxying. when changes like this occur, what do I do to ensure that new sites get the changes? Does addsite copy the modproxy.conf in the etc file?	22:38
SynQ	please give me a moment to read all that	22:39
@Haarg	elnino: in general it isn't a problem as it can only proxy to port 8081	22:40
@Haarg	it only becomes a real problem if you change it to proxy to port 80	22:41
elnino	ok. but shouldn't the change from the wre v.84 be applied to my new site that I justed added?	22:41
elnino	I expected to see: RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !.*mywebguisite\.com	22:42
elnino	RewriteRule ^.*$ - [F] in my new sites' proxy file.	22:42
@Haarg	that's not the method we used to fix the issue	22:43
@Haarg	but as i said, with a stock config it is basically not a problem	22:43
SynQ	addsite uses the templates to create the .conf files	22:44
@Haarg	modifying those templates through code is rather error prone, which is why we didn't do that	22:45
elnino	ok. So when changes are needed to be made to the templated confi files, is that notated anywhere so I can be sure that the latest additions/fixes are applied?	22:49
elnino	since you don't update them via upgrade proceedure?	22:50
@Haarg	https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template	22:51
SynQ	elnino: the answer to the 'is that notated anywhere' is probably NO	22:51
@Haarg	you can blame that on me - i should probably stick it in the release notes somewhere	22:52
SynQ	elnino: you could report a bug for that	22:54
elnino	wow. ok. acutlly it's not MUCH different. What has always something I've noticed is the options added to the WebGUI.conf file, which I suppose is treated the same way? I find myself always comparing manually to see "what's New"	22:54
elnino	synq, ok	22:54
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elnino	hmm.. still trying to figure out how I can have one site on port 80 and another on a differen tport for developemet purposes. Under apache, there is a listen port. So I supect that wre has a listen port of 80, but I need two listen ports. hmm.	23:01
SynQ	You can add two listen ports to the apache configuration	23:02
elnino	and it looks like it's defind in the wre.conf	23:02
elnino	in wre's apache?	23:02
SynQ	sure	23:02
SynQ	it's just like a normal apache	23:02
elnino	which file?	23:02
@Haarg	wre.conf doesn't define the operation of apache at all	23:03
elnino	oh.	23:03
@Haarg	it's just settings used for generating configs with the wre scripts	23:03
elnino	I need a flow chart.	23:03
@Haarg	or for the wremonitor for example	23:03
elnino	telling me what calls what where on what port. =)	23:04
elnino	so where would I put the Listen 8080 for wre's apache?	23:05
@Haarg	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ae37f9d	23:05
@Haarg	there is a stripped down example of what you need	23:05
elnino	ah. in modproxy.conf there is a listen directive.	23:06
@Haarg	oh yeah	23:06
@Haarg	need a listen too, sorry	23:06
elnino	Haarg: that's what I have, and it doesn't seem to be answering: 67.223.227.84:8080	23:07
elnino	ok. so I do need a listen .	23:07
elnino	I'll do that now and restart....	23:07
elnino	=( I keep getting couldn't connec tto webgui site www.domain at www.dooma:80. It keeps trying port 80 for some reason.	23:12
elnino	sorry, terrible typing.	23:14
@Haarg	what do you have inside the virtualhost block	23:15
elnino	Haarg: it's the default from the addsite.pl. But I noticed that I did not specify the NameVirtualHost. Which from what I just read on the apache docs, that that is what lets me have more than one site on the same IP address. So I should declare that - do I need to have that in all my modproxy files? or just one?	23:18
elnino	so I will have multiple domains. Bu tthe second and third sites need to be accessed by IP addres for now, till I swithc the DNS records to this other server.	23:19
@Haarg	you need to have one for each port you are using	23:19
elnino	And I only have one ip addrss, so I will have a separate for for each	23:20
elnino	like you just said =)	23:20
@Haarg	are you specifying the ip?	23:20
elnino	no I wasn't in the modproxy file, but it looks like I should based on apache docs?	23:20
@Haarg	the signature (ip+port) has to match in the NameVirtualHost and <VirtualHost>	23:21
@Haarg	but aside from that you shouldn't need to specify it	23:21
elnino	ok. I defined two ports in the modproxy.conf file using teh Listen directive, and in my second sites's modproxy file I have a NameVirtualHost 67.223.227.84:8080	23:22
elnino	and <VirtualHost 67.223.227.84:8080>	23:22
elnino	my first site's modproxy file remains on untouched: <VirtualHost *:80>	23:23
elnino	with no NameVirtualHost directive.	23:23
@Haarg	the namevirtualhost for :80 is in the modproxy.conf file	23:23
@Haarg	and the domain you are using resolves to that ip?	23:24
elnino	?? My first site is accessed by domainname: mediaangels.com on port 80. my second site will be accesssed by ip address on port 8080	23:26
elnino	Do I need a NameVirtualHosts directive declared for each site?	23:26
@Haarg	ah	23:26
@Haarg	no	23:26
elnino	sorry about the confusion	23:27
@Haarg	so what kind of error are you getting?	23:27
elnino	I'm not getting any, I turned it all off because it broke my first site. we can start from a clean slate	23:27
elnino	before it just was spinning in the browser. couldn't reach the :8080 site.	23:28
@perlmonkey2	I'm having trouble finding it. Where would I find the logic that keeps a subscription from using Cash to pay?	23:40
@perlmonkey2	I need to test out subscription code and don't have an ITransact account.	23:40
@perlmonkey2	Nor do I want to charge my CC>	23:40
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elnino	haarg - you CAN have multiple namevirtualhost directives. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html - I'll give that a try!	23:51
@Haarg	sorry if i wasn't clear	23:52
@Haarg	you need a namevirtualhost directive for :80 and for :8080 (or 67.223.227.84:8080)	23:53
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elnino	that's what I needed! =)	23:53
@Haarg	but you don't need to have one for each site, just each port/ip as you are using in the <VirtualHost> header	23:53
elnino	right. =) Thanks!	23:53
elnino	feeling hopefull - soon find out.	23:54
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SynQ	ok	00:00
SynQ	innodb support is in the WRE :)	00:00
SynQ	Haarg: I updated the changelog of the WRE to reflect your revision 7443 commit too	00:01
SynQ	perlDreamer: can you close this bug again? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/ap_get_server_banner-used-in-xsloader.pm	00:11
SynQ	I fixed it	00:11
SynQ	or someone else, perhaps my I should ask perlmonkey2 since he gives out karma for fixing bugs	00:12
+perlDreamer	It's closed	00:12
SynQ	thanks	00:12
@perlmonkey2	I guess I should bookmark the karma gift link	00:13
+perlDreamer	This one's on me	00:13
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: What's your bug fixing tip amount?	00:14
@perlmonkey2	well the 8 bit fix I gave out 150	00:14
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SquOnk	Hi everyone	00:14
@perlmonkey2	hello SquOnk	00:14
+perlDreamer	Hi, SquOnk!	00:14
SynQ	hi SquOnk	00:15
SynQ	any news on the debian front?	00:15
SquOnk	Not really.	00:15
SquOnk	Let me check	00:15
elnino	haarg: oh good grief: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7d9279f	00:15
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: that bug was basically a documentation fix. So what, 300?	00:15
SynQ	nah	00:15
SynQ	300 is way to much	00:15
SynQ	50 at max	00:16
+perlDreamer	I gave him 75	00:16
SquOnk	We're still number 5 in the NEW queue.	00:16
+perlDreamer	because he's koen	00:16
@Haarg	NameVirualHost .86 -> NameVirualHost :86	00:16
@perlmonkey2	hah	00:16
SynQ	you guys are too sweet	00:16
SquOnk	At least I have confirmation from my sponsor that IF webgui gets into Sid he will push for the migration to Lenny.	00:16
+perlDreamer	Managing an entire economy is difficult	00:16
SynQ	perlDreamer: perhaps you can help me squash this bug too: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/wremonitor-doesnt-say-which-site-generated-an-error	00:17
elnino	my browser just sits and spins when I try to access the sites on port 85 and 86 ie: 67.223.227.84:85	00:17
SquOnk	I can confirm that the 7.5.21 package installs cleanly on any freshly installed Lenny box, so it will work.	00:17
@perlmonkey2	SquOnk: that doesn't happen automagically?	00:17
SynQ	SquOnk: that is great	00:17
SquOnk	perlmonkey2: No, because Debian is in the "freeze".	00:17
@perlmonkey2	oh	00:17
+perlDreamer	SynQ, do you just want it closed?	00:17
SynQ	perlDreamer: no	00:17
SquOnk	perlmonkey2: While the freeze is on, there's no automatic migration from Sid to Testing. It has to be requested by a DD and handled by an FTP Master.	00:17
SynQ	I need some help in getting the right variable from $spectre->getWorkflowsPerSite($report);	00:18
SynQ	so I can put it in the subjectline	00:18
+perlDreamer	can you paste me some output?	00:18
@perlmonkey2	SquOnk: Else it waits for the next cycle/	00:18
@perlmonkey2	?	00:18
SquOnk	perlmonkey2: Exactly.	00:18
SynQ	perlDreamer: have a look at line 105 of /data/wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl	00:18
SquOnk	perlmonkey2: But as I said, the 7.5.x packages will be available from my repository.	00:19
SynQ	I think all that is needed is add the $sitename to the sendEmail command	00:19
@perlmonkey2	SquOnk: That is pretty cool of you to host that.	00:19
SquOnk	Now I'm working on getting 7.6 to work with PostgreSQL	00:19
SynQ	and that would fix the bug	00:19
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SquOnk	I have a question today, though	00:20
SynQ	perlDreamer: see what I mean?	00:20
+perlDreamer	yes	00:20
+perlDreamer	but where does the sitename come from?	00:20
SynQ	but I don't know how to get sitename from $_	00:20
SquOnk	I have something like "^/someplace" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru" in urlHandlers	00:21
SynQ	I guess the site-id (or something like that) should be gotten from $spectre->getWorkflowsPerSite	00:21
SynQ	and then that should give us the sitename	00:21
SquOnk	I have Alias /someplace /the/actual/dir In the Apache2 config, along with a proper <Directory /the/actual/dir></Directory>	00:21
SquOnk	If I get http://localhost/someplace/index.html it works. If I get http://localhost/someplace it does not work.	00:22
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SquOnk	I have the Indexes option enabled in the <Directory> stanza	00:22
SquOnk	If I _remove_ webgui from the config, everything works :-)	00:22
SynQ	perlDreamer: getWorkflowsPerSite is in line 232 of /data/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm	00:22
@Haarg	it may be simpler to use a rewriterule	00:23
SquOnk	Haarg: You think?	00:23
@Haarg	well, are you using a single apache process?	00:23
@Haarg	or a proxied config?	00:23
SquOnk	Haarg: Yep	00:23
SquOnk	Haarg: No, it's a single server. It's used for webgui, a local debian mirror (/debian) and documentation (/doc).	00:24
SynQ	perlDreamer: if I can read it states there that the sitename is in that datastructure	00:24
@Haarg	well, apache would normally do a redirect in that case	00:24
SquOnk	Neither /debian nor /doc work	00:24
SquOnk	Both are listed as I described before.	00:24
@Haarg	so you could do the redirection as a rewrite	00:24
@Haarg	not certain on how webgui is interfering	00:24
+perlDreamer	SynQ, I'm not sure about that	00:25
SquOnk	Me neither :-)	00:25
SquOnk	"^/debian" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru"	00:25
@Haarg	in the data structure coming from getWorkflowsPerSite, the key is the site name	00:25
SquOnk	That should make any URL starting with /debian pass thru to Apache. And it does, but it always gives me an error.	00:25
elnino	haarg: i'm using wre's apahec, but I also do have another install of apache that is listening on port 82.	00:26
+perlDreamer	Thanks, Haarg	00:26
+perlDreamer	SynQ, did you catch that?	00:26
SynQ	I would say something like $workflowsPerSite{$_} should give the sitename then?	00:26
+perlDreamer	no	00:26
+perlDreamer	$_ is the sitename	00:26
SynQ	ah ok	00:27
@Haarg	well	00:27
@Haarg	in that loop	00:27
@Haarg	it is using values	00:27
SynQ	I want to use the sitename in the sendEmail line	00:27
+perlDreamer	You want to build a list of all sitenames that have too many workflows	00:27
+perlDreamer	because there may be more than one	00:27
SynQ	in line 106 of /data/wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl	00:27
+perlDreamer	and you need them all for good diagnostics	00:27
SynQ	ok	00:28
SynQ	so it is not that simple	00:28
+perlDreamer	It's 2 lines instead of 1 :)	00:28
+perlDreamer	maybe 3	00:28
+perlDreamer	let me paste you some code to start with, my young Hacker Padawan	00:28
SynQ	:)	00:28
SynQ	I still have 30 minutes to hack my way through this	00:29
SynQ	so paste away I would say	00:29
@Haarg	if(my @sites = grep { $workflowsPerSite->{$_} >= $maxWorkflowsPerSite } keys %$workflowsPerSite ) {	00:29
@Haarg	sendEmail(qq\|There are too many workflows running on these sites: \| . join(', ', @sites));	00:29
@Haarg	}	00:29
SynQ	Haarg: that would only list all sites that have more then the maxWorkflows	00:30
SynQ	right?	00:30
@Haarg	yeah	00:30
@perlmonkey2	Hmm, perhaps people could put their Karma on the Bazaar?	00:30
@Haarg	how so pm2?	00:31
@Haarg	elnino: did you see what i said about the namevirtualhosts being wrong in that paste?	00:31
SynQ	perlmonkey2: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/bazaar-sell-things-for-karma-only	00:31
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: No idea. But it might help stimulate the use of Karma	00:31
@perlmonkey2	SynQ: hah	00:31
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+perlDreamer	rizen has said he doesn't want people buying and selling karma	00:31
+perlDreamer	Haarg, you have fast fingers	00:32
elnino	Haarg: nope, let me look back	00:32
@Haarg	but buying items on the bazaar with karma (as a vendor choice) might be fine	00:32
SynQ	Haarg: that is what my RFE is intended for	00:32
+perlDreamer	Time for me to go to the laptop doctor	00:33
elnino	your kidding! grr. Thanks Haarg!	00:33
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SynQ	let's see if I can get that code into a simple 'show number of workflows per site' script	00:34
wgGuest63	Hello everyone. Perhaps you can answer my question. I suspect it is easy...	00:34
SynQ	so I can then extend the wremonitor.pl script to give a complete list of all sites that have exceeded the maxWorkflows and how much workflows they have per site	00:34
wgGuest63	When I add a "wiki" it puts a copy(?) on the main page too. how do I avoid that?	00:35
@Haarg	simplest way would to be to create a paye layout then put the wiki on that	00:35
@Haarg	*page	00:35
@Haarg	SynQ, one thing to keep in mind is that the messages are currently kept short so they can be sent via sms	00:36
SynQ	ah	00:36
wgGuest63	Will try. Thank you.	00:37
SynQ	I will	00:37
SynQ	thanks Haarg	00:37
elnino	Haarg, doh. I wish it was that easy. I typed it wrong in the paste, but I'm using : in the modproxy file. =(	00:38
wgGuest63	Not perfect, but it works. Thaank you.	00:38
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elnino	what abou this?? http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/customizing-wre-configuration	00:38
elnino	do I need to put in the additinal rewriteCond?	00:38
elnino	the example for "deal with port number in HTTP_HOST"	00:39
elnino	is what I'm referring to.	00:39
@Haarg	can you post your modproxy conf?	00:39
@Haarg	if you are using the 0.8.5 config, it shouldn't be needed	00:40
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@perlmonkey2	Is a recurring postback the exact same kind as a transaction completed postback?	00:45
elnino	haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d24c9add4 - thank you for your time in this.. I'm sure it's a dumb mistake on my part.	00:45
@Haarg	sorry, meant the site's modproxy	00:45
elnino	oh.	00:46
elnino	same pasty	00:47
@Haarg	so what kind of error are you seeing?	00:48
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elnino	in my modproxyerr log: [Tue Sep 09 21:09:51 2008] [error] [client 209.162.37.159] proxy: DNS lookup failure for: 67.223.227.84:85 returned by /	00:49
elnino	I updated the paste so that both sites modproxy files are there. if youwant to see both.	00:50
@Haarg	you could probably replace everything from # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST down with	00:50
@Haarg	ProxyPreserveHost On	00:50
@Haarg	RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://127.0.0.1:8081/$1 [P]	00:50
elnino	with 8081? or 85?	00:51
@Haarg	whatever modperl is running on - 8081	00:52
elnino	yep, I did not mess with that.	00:53
elnino	hmm. ok, it's oing to my :80 site.	00:55
@Haarg	that may be something on the modperl side then	00:55
elnino	well. I was using 8080 and 8081 but then I found out that you guys are using that, so that is when I switched to 85 and 86. So from what you see, I have everything setup? I'll play with this some more later. I have one thing I want to make sure before taking up more of your time. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction about NameVirtualHosts.	00:58
@Haarg	it looks basically fine to me. i suspect it is an issue of the servernames on the modperl side	00:58
SynQ	hmm	01:02
elnino	yeah.... um.. was I supposed to change the modperl port? or can they remain on the 8081	01:02
elnino	I didn't.	01:02
SynQ	perhaps the 64 bit perl thing has been fixed	01:02
SynQ	http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/wre-install-on-ubuntu/15#idW-yeFLLknxPzVUwwSbv3uw	01:05
SynQ	running a test compile with the option added by william on a 32 bit debian etch te verify now	01:06
elnino	oh.. I'll just creat new host names for these.This is taking more time that its worth. thanks haarg.	01:07
elnino	haarg: good news: hostnames work great. (read: I'm done now) thanks for your help!	01:13
SynQ	the 64 bits switch does work on my 32bits debian system	01:16
SynQ	so that is good news	01:16
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@perlmonkey2	If I wanted to test a reoccurring transaction for a subscription, what would be the easiest way to do that?	01:33
+perlDreamer	Can you set it to reoccur every hour?	01:34
+perlDreamer	or every 30 minutes?	01:34
@perlmonkey2	looks like subscription period can only beas little as a week	01:34
@perlmonkey2	But I don't know if that triggers a new transaction	01:35
+perlDreamer	can you backdate a transaction, so that it reoccurs in 30 minutes from now?	01:37
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: would that work? Set the subscription to expire in 30 minutes and then spectre will renew it?	01:37
+perlDreamer	I don't know. If the subscription period is weekly, then see if you can lie about the start date, and make it 6 days, 23 hours and 30 minutes ago.	01:38
@perlmonkey2	Do all subscriptions autorenew?	01:38
+perlDreamer	Don't know :(	01:38
@perlmonkey2	I don't see how the user can set it to renew or not.	01:38
@perlmonkey2	or how they would cancel it.	01:38
@perlmonkey2	I know exactly what the problem is and just need to do this once to tes.t	01:38
@perlmonkey2	But it has to be a renewal	01:39
@perlmonkey2	Hmm, that is weird. If you pay for a subscription it looks like you are in for life :)	01:40
+perlDreamer	Sounds like another bug	01:40
@perlmonkey2	or until your credit card is no longer valid	01:40
@perlmonkey2	I'll be back. Have to go take pictures of dad's bulldozer so he can sell it :)	01:41
+perlDreamer	How much does he want for it?	01:41
@perlmonkey2	$30K	01:42
@perlmonkey2	It's in pretty good shape.	01:42
@perlmonkey2	Used it as part of a federal "Make Oklahoma like it was natively" program.	01:42
@perlmonkey2	bbl	01:43
+perlDreamer	bye	01:43
+perlDreamer	SynQ: From what I can tell, you get no karma for adding/updating things in the Bazaar.	01:50
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+perlDreamer	With the new Workflow tests, its coverage is 88.7%	02:04
+perlDreamer	pretty respectable	02:04
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+perlDreamer	BartJol!	02:12
+perlDreamer	What are you doing awake at this time of the night?	02:12
BartJol	the one and only	02:12
BartJol	eeeh, just came home actually, been talking with a friend	02:13
BartJol	just turned on IRC automatically...	02:14
BartJol	need help?	02:15
+perlDreamer	Nope.	02:15
+perlDreamer	Just writing tests	02:15
BartJol	but I was actually testing a voip telephone	02:16
BartJol	and see how my internet connection would work	02:16
BartJol	didn'y even had to change tcp/ip settings	02:16
BartJol	ok, well actually sleeping would be a good plan	02:18
+perlDreamer	$bartJol->sleep(86060)	02:18
BartJol	error-> return"sleep suspended till I closed down laptop"	02:19
BartJol	but I made my macro more perly today	02:19
BartJol	that was a good thing, so I'll rest easy	02:20
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BartJol	goodnight, I hope JT will enjoy his fruit	02:22
+perlDreamer	ssh!	02:22
+perlDreamer	ixnay on the uitfray	02:22
BartJol	er?	02:22
BartJol	is it you John Wayne, is it me?	02:23
+perlDreamer	s/(\w+?)(\w)ay\b/$2$1/g	02:23
+perlDreamer	That's a Pig Latin decoder	02:23
BartJol	mmm, I don't know what $2 and $1 are , but I assume you're right	02:25
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+perlDreamer	hm, regexp needs some fine tuning for initial double consonants	02:25
BartJol	have to work on my regexes	02:25
BartJol	well, goodnight, so long, auf wiedersehen, goodbye	02:27
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@perlmonkey2	patspam: what's the word?	03:11
patspam	yo yo!	03:11
patspam	was wondering how Survey2 is going?	03:11
@perlmonkey2	It is going. But I'm on janitor duties all week, and as you can see from the bug list, I'm busy.	03:12
@perlmonkey2	I specc'd 100 hours to JT. I think I'll come in at 50, he thinks 150. Hopefully we'll find out who was right in the coming week.	03:12
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patspam	is the branch going to come across anytime soon?	03:13
@perlmonkey2	Merged into the main trunk?	03:13
patspam	yeah	03:14
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@perlmonkey2	Not until it is more functional. And in the short term it will become much less functional as it is moved to JSON. But JSON simplifies a lot of the more difficult algorithms, which is why I think it won't take nearly as long as I spec'd.	03:14
patspam	ah ok, so you've decided that JSON is the way to go?	03:15
@perlmonkey2	I didn't, JT did. preaction had me convinced to give another go at better indexing of the DB. But JT had other reasons for the JSON, largest being packaging and versioning.	03:15
patspam	yeah i guess it's pretty cool to get versioning for free	03:16
@perlmonkey2	Pretty cool idea though that you could package a survey and deploy it at other sites, even sell it on the bazaaar :P	03:16
@preaction	but you can get both of those without having to go to JSON, it would just take longer	03:16
@perlmonkey2	You must be deep into JT's mind, because he said that also.	03:17
patspam	survey2 is moving onto my critical path, so I'll probably start contributing code this week	03:18
@preaction	i mean, if a non-JSON, versioned, packaged collateral mixin that keeps DB normalization is desired, i can try to whip something up. but i don't think you should wait for me	03:18
@perlmonkey2	If you can let me know more of your timeframe I'll talk to JT and see what's what.	03:20
@preaction	no need, i don't have one	03:20
@preaction	it can be migrated to, we've never promised database integrity	03:20
@perlmonkey2	Okay. But if there is anything I can do to make it easier (be realistic) just let me know.	03:21
@perlmonkey2	All the collat tables are going except for the response ones.	03:21
@perlmonkey2	The Survey table is gaining a couple of columns that the JSON collat will inherit (global settings).	03:22
@preaction	i'm trying to dream up an API right now, but all i'm getting is $self->getCollateral( "type", "id" ); which i don't like	03:23
@preaction	it's not $self->getType( id )	03:23
dionak	i have a folder containing collab systems. i want to get the latest post from any of the collab systems in the folder. can anyone think of a sql statement that could do this?	03:33
dionak	or should i try again tomorrow?	03:33
dionak	i have sql to get the latest post in a collab system already but i don't see how to basically look up the lineage to see if the parent is the folder in question.	03:34
@preaction	that's one heck of an SQL statement	03:34
dionak	yea..	03:34
dionak	maybe it would make a better macro?	03:34
@preaction	oh, that's simpler:	03:34
@preaction	asset.lineage LIKE "<folder's lineage>%"	03:35
dionak	oh	03:35
dionak	interesting. i don't really understand the lineage entry. haven't spent any time understanding it.	03:35
dionak	anywhere i can learn more w/o reading code? or is that simplier?	03:35
@preaction	the dev guide has a whole chapter on it, if you have one	03:36
dionak	yes, we picked one up	03:36
dionak	thanks. i'll read on that tomorrow	03:36
@preaction	i also wrote that chapter ;-) so it explains what the string means	03:36
dionak	that's helpful. :)	03:38
dionak	thanks for taking the time to write about it.	03:38
patspam	perlmonkey2: were you saying there's a new spec doc?	03:42
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patspam	if so I'd like to have a look so i can start contributing some code	03:42
@perlmonkey2	patspam: no, just a spec for time. How long it would take me to do stuff	03:42
patspam	ah ok	03:42
patspam	it's there a TODO list or something?	03:45
dionak	nice, preaction. thanks! :)	03:51
dionak	it works.	03:51
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@perlmonkey2	patspam: http://pastebin.com/d57aea5ab	05:18
patspam	ah awesome, I was just emailing you :)	05:18
patspam	I'm hoping to deploy a survey-heavy site by the end of the month, so I'm keen to help wherever i can	05:19
patspam	I'll use that list as my guide	05:19
patspam	I might focus on tests until you've done the JSON stuff	05:19
@perlmonkey2	Sounds good.	05:20
patspam	cool, I'm off for lunch	05:22
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CIA-39	WebGUI: koen * r7450 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: added max_join_size=4294967295 to my.cnf to fix warnings at db_install script as quoted in this bug in mysql http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=35346	09:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7451 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add default workflow values tests, and promote and demote activity tests	09:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7452 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow.pm: fix a singlton typo	09:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: koen * r7453 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/gotcha.txt wre/docs/changelog.txt): updated gotcha and changelog, added innodb support	09:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7454 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add tests for deleting activities from a workflow	09:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7455 /WebGUI/t/Workflow.t: add more tests to bring Workflow coverage up to 94%	09:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7456 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): early work for view EMSBadge template	09:41
CIA-39	WebGUI: doug * r7457 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 4 dirs): This has become so much more than I initially anticipated... Now has a template, a framework to build WebGUI::DataSource in the future, and a way to load data via AJAX so that the edit form actually works	09:41
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patspam	go Doug go!	10:22
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BartJol	hee Bernd_	11:41
Bernd_	Hi!	11:41
Bernd_	So that's my first chat experience!	11:41
Bernd_	Great!	11:41
BartJol	congratulations :)	11:41
Bernd_	Are you guys hanging around here all day?	11:41
BartJol	well, I am mostly	11:42
Bernd_	Is that for the distraction?	11:42
BartJol	well, just to help people	11:42
BartJol	and get some variation	11:42
Bernd_	I imagine this is a good way to prevent oneself from doing the things one is supposed to do.	11:42
Bernd_	At least that is true in my case.	11:43
BartJol	but the Americans come online at 3 or 4 in the afternoon	11:43
Bernd_	I should have worked on something else this morning.	11:43
BartJol	it can be...	11:43
Bernd_	Alright. I have seen some already yesterday when I did my first tests.	11:43
Bernd_	I plan to hang around in the chat now routinely.	11:43
Bernd_	It is a bit more personal than the discussion board.	11:44
Bernd_	But let me go to work now.	11:44
Bernd_	I need to pick up my daughter soon. That means I need to get a few things done.	11:44
Bernd_	See you later!	11:45
BartJol	Spater	11:45
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BartJol	MrHairgrease: up to a weafdr? I have an appointment at 18.30 for dinner	16:39
BartJol	so there	16:39
BartJol	is not much time	16:39
+MrHairgrease	hmm	16:39
@perlmonkey2	Google translate translates 'weafdr' to 'weafdr'.	16:39
+MrHairgrease	let's skip it for today	16:39
BartJol	perlmonkey2: it isn't Dutch	16:40
+MrHairgrease	yesterday i did the km kroegentocht	16:40
BartJol	aaah	16:40
BartJol	weafdr=wednesday afternoon drink	16:41
SDuensin	Morning.	16:43
+MrHairgrease	howdy	16:44
@perlmonkey2	What's is the dutch word for 'type' like a font type?	16:50
+MrHairgrease	lettertype	16:51
+MrHairgrease	letter == character	16:51
+MrHairgrease	type == type	16:51
+MrHairgrease	only we pronounce type like teepuh	16:51
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@perlmonkey2	Hmm, yeah, the joke doesn't work unless type can be used in multiple senses.	16:53
+MrHairgrease	what's the joke then?	16:54
@perlmonkey2	Two fonts walk into a bar, the bartender says "Get out, we don't serve your type in here."	16:54
+MrHairgrease	well I suppose that it could work in Dutch if you'd use the word font.	16:55
+MrHairgrease	provided that the joke is actually funny =)	16:55
@perlmonkey2	Yeah, that's where I ended up with google translate, using the same word for both.	16:55
@perlmonkey2	hah	16:55
+MrHairgrease	you can use the word type also in the same way as you just did	16:55
+MrHairgrease	referring to a type of person	16:55
@perlmonkey2	Two letertypens walked into a bar and the bartender says they don't serve your lettertypen in here?	16:56
+MrHairgrease	no	16:56
+MrHairgrease	it would be something like	16:56
+MrHairgrease	Two letertypen walked into a bar and the bartender says they don't serve your type in here	16:57
@perlmonkey2	ah, so the problem was google translate not guessing the correct sense of the word I was translating.	16:57
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+MrHairgrease	indeed	16:57
@perlmonkey2	wow, a ML failing to translate correctly, how strange :P	16:58
@perlmonkey2	MT I mean	16:58
+MrHairgrease	MT?	16:58
@perlmonkey2	machine translator	16:58
+MrHairgrease	apparently it doesn't run webgui	16:58
@perlmonkey2	speaking of webgui, perhaps I should figure out what is up with reoccurring transactions before Haard kills me.	17:00
@perlmonkey2	s/ard/arg/	17:00
+MrHairgrease	oh that	17:00
+MrHairgrease	my guess it is in the subscription sku	17:00
+MrHairgrease	the process part	17:00
+MrHairgrease	that's where the user is readded to the group	17:01
@perlmonkey2	yes, I've found the problem...it is grabbing the current user id. Which in a postback is the default, ie visitor :)	17:01
+MrHairgrease	aha	17:01
@perlmonkey2	But coming up with a test is.....more difficult.	17:01
+MrHairgrease	i borked that	17:02
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@perlmonkey2	you did?	17:02
+MrHairgrease	well i made it	17:02
+MrHairgrease	the problem was that the recurring transaction is impossible to test using the testing framework of Itransact	17:02
+MrHairgrease	since they don't offer and XID other than 9999 or so	17:03
+MrHairgrease	so I tested it as good as I could	17:03
+MrHairgrease	by constructing manual requests	17:03
* SDuensin needs recurring...soon! :-P		17:03
+MrHairgrease	but of course in those test I was logged in as myself	17:03
+MrHairgrease	so at that time it worked	17:03
@perlmonkey2	Yes, very difficult problem to catch.	17:04
@perlmonkey2	Not the kind of thing anyone would catch.	17:04
+MrHairgrease	i always test code i commit as good as i can	17:04
+MrHairgrease	but even the eurotrash is fallible =)	17:05
@perlmonkey2	hah, eurocodeninja	17:05
@perlmonkey2	I saw the graphics presentation. I know all about your ninja skillz	17:05
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@perlmonkey2	Hah, in ITransact/processReoccurringTransaction, I should just make sure that the session user is the same as the transaction user's account. Could there be any harm in that?	17:11
@perlmonkey2	It grants the postback an unauthenticated session. But only after it has alternatively authenticated by knowing the XID.	17:12
+MrHairgrease	yeah that's true	17:13
+MrHairgrease	you can pull the user out of the transaction log	17:13
@perlmonkey2	The Subscription doesn't seem to have any easy access to get the transaction uid.	17:13
@perlmonkey2	Such an easy fix it almost doesn't need to be tested :D	17:13
+MrHairgrease	Can't you use Transaction->newByGatewayId?	17:14
+MrHairgrease	and then pull the user out of the Transaction	17:15
+MrHairgrease	?	17:15
@perlmonkey2	I'm not that familiar with shop, I'll look.	17:15
@perlmonkey2	That is already used to get the baseTransaction	17:16
@perlmonkey2	which is duped to get the new transaction	17:16
+MrHairgrease	you'll have to pass the userId to Subscription->apply	17:16
+MrHairgrease	so subscvription doesn't need to now the transaction	17:16
+MrHairgrease	right?	17:16
@perlmonkey2	if no user is passed to subscription it uses the session user	17:16
+MrHairgrease	hang on	17:17
+MrHairgrease	let me check something out	17:17
@perlmonkey2	so I could just $session->user($$option{$originalUserId});	17:17
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danny_mk	Hello everyone	17:18
BartJol	hi	17:18
danny_mk	I can't believe Perl does not have a 2.0 OpenId library yet!	17:18
danny_mk	Been waiting for OpenId::Consumer for a while but it does not seem like Brad will update the module anytime soon	17:19
+MrHairgrease	perlmonkey2	17:19
@perlmonkey2	danny_mk: Is he taking volunteers :D	17:19
@perlmonkey2	MrHairgrease	17:20
+MrHairgrease	WG::A::Sku::Subscrtion::onCompletePurchase is being passed the TransactionItem	17:20
+MrHairgrease	in there you should get the userId out of that	17:20
+MrHairgrease	and pass that into the $self->apply over there	17:20
@perlmonkey2	that method only grabs $self, nothing else?	17:20
danny_mk	wish he was, I don't have enought experience to help him out	17:21
+MrHairgrease	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1dca4445	17:22
+MrHairgrease	something like that	17:22
+MrHairgrease	it's only example code of course	17:22
+MrHairgrease	but that's the idea	17:22
@perlmonkey2	right on....are you user the transaction will have the correct userid? I think that is a new transaction which grabs the uid from session.	17:23
+MrHairgrease	oh	17:24
+MrHairgrease	well in that case	17:24
@perlmonkey2	no, you were right. It creates a new transaction object by grabbing * from the transaction table, which contains the UID.	17:25
+MrHairgrease	fetch the originating Id	17:25
@perlmonkey2	woot!	17:25
+MrHairgrease	indeed	17:25
+MrHairgrease	well, i'm happy i did most thing well =)	17:26
@perlmonkey2	I'm happy you were able to quickly diagnose a solution ;)	17:26
+MrHairgrease	no problem	17:27
+MrHairgrease	now, how much karma do i get for that =)	17:27
@perlmonkey2	how much do you want?	17:27
+MrHairgrease	how much does plainblack cost	17:27
+MrHairgrease	that amount times hunderd please =)	17:27
+MrHairgrease	never mind the karma	17:28
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+MrHairgrease	i have enough anyway	17:28
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danny_mk	perlmonkey2: http://brad.livejournal.com/ if you can get him to answer you I would definitely love to find out his progress for OpenId 2.0	17:32
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@perlmonkey2	danny_mk: That guy sounds a little busy.	17:36
@perlmonkey2	Maybe you can take over the project or offer patches?	17:36
danny_mk	lord have mercy, I just got a new job in wich I have to polish my c++ skills plus I am supporting three websites	17:37
danny_mk	hmmm.... where do I find the time?	17:37
danny_mk	I also volunteered to write a chat wobject for webgui	17:37
danny_mk	which to this day I still have not started	17:38
danny_mk	but I think it would be great for webgui	17:38
SDuensin	I hear ya, danny_mk - I'm up to my nose in projects. :-)	17:39
danny_mk	I really would love to get to that chat wobject for webgui	17:39
@perlmonkey2	ajax chat with all logged in users/vistors. That would be great.	17:39
danny_mk	yes	17:39
danny_mk	I wrote some auction software using catalyst and integrated the authentication with webgui	17:40
danny_mk	I can see a lot of uses for a chat wobject	17:40
@preaction	i have an ajax chat wobject thingy already, if you want that	17:49
@preaction	it's more of a shoutbox	17:49
@preaction	but it is ajax	17:49
@preaction	i can package it up and put it on the bazaar tonight	17:49
danny_mk	bazaar?	17:50
@preaction	the new Get Add Ons	17:50
@preaction	on webgui.org	17:50
danny_mk	Ah, OK	17:51
danny_mk	Put it out there, I will get it sometime this week	17:53
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BartJol	will tavisto will be in da house today?	18:15
BartJol	he is	18:15
@tavisto	im here	18:15
@tavisto	Bart I just sent you an email reply.. Are you interested in attending a webinar today @ 2pm EDT (GMT -4)	18:16
BartJol	at what times are the weekly webinars normally?	18:16
@tavisto	2pm Eastern.. However I adjust them for attendees if they are overseas	18:16
BartJol	cool	18:16
@tavisto	I think I've got 3-4 people from a Belgium shipping/logistics company	18:17
BartJol	timezones confuse me?	18:17
@tavisto	that will be attending today.. Although the guy said it would be like 9pm for them.. they said it was fine	18:17
BartJol	oh, ok, not sure whether I'll be back home by then]	18:18
@tavisto	http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/	18:18
@tavisto	that's a great webpage to keep track of times	18:18
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BartJol	nine would be correct	18:19
@tavisto	it's 5:18pm in amsterdam and 11:18 here in Michigan	18:19
@tavisto	actually that seems like it's only 6 hours difference	18:19
BartJol	oh, then it will be 20.00 here, not gonna make that	18:19
BartJol	yeah, wisconsin is one hour more...	18:20
@tavisto	ah yep	18:20
BartJol	too bad, when will the next be?	18:20
BartJol	next week....	18:20
@tavisto	well I'll confirm the time with these guys in belgium and I'll see what's up. If they can't make today then we can schedule one at a more convenient time for you all	18:21
BartJol	well I just wanna learn from your excellent explaning talents	18:21
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@tavisto	:)	18:22
BartJol	and of course I do appreciate your concerns for me, don't give them too much credits, I will find a way	18:22
@tavisto	alright well I will let you know when the next one is	18:22
BartJol	thanks!	18:22
@tavisto	yep no prob	18:22
BartJol	now I have to drink a beer with martin	18:22
@tavisto	hah... yes you do.	18:23
@tavisto	give him my best.	18:23
BartJol	priorities	18:23
BartJol	oh and sarah and some friends also might plan to come here in spring	18:23
BartJol	I will	18:24
BartJol	just a fyi	18:25
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SDuensin	What log should I dig in to find out why an RSS feed isn't loading? I can't find anything.	18:35
+perlDreamer	SDuesin, you mean isn't being loaded by WebGUI, or isn't being loaded by the Syndicate Content wobject?	18:36
SDuensin	I think the wobject. What I have is a blog that I'm moving the latest 5 posts to the front page...	18:37
SDuensin	The front page is empty.	18:37
+perlDreamer	the blog is also from WebGUI, via the CS?	18:37
SDuensin	Yes. And the rss URL is valid in the syndicate WO.	18:38
+perlDreamer	if you use the RSS url in another reader it works okay?	18:38
SDuensin	I hit it with wget and it came right up.	18:39
SDuensin	It was working. It stopped when I moved the site from one box to another.	18:39
SDuensin	DNS and such all seems happy.	18:39
+perlDreamer	Is the sitename hardcoded in the URL for the SC wobject?	18:39
SDuensin	Yes	18:39
SDuensin	I have this: http://www.cloudcircle.com/system-news/system-news-blog.rss	18:39
+perlDreamer	and those posts should show up here: http://www.cloudcircle.com?	18:40
SDuensin	Yea. Under "Latest News".	18:40
+perlDreamer	And it doesn't work, even if you log in as Admin	18:41
SDuensin	Nope.	18:41
SDuensin	Like I said, it did, until I moved the site.	18:42
+perlDreamer	You moved the uploads directory as well?	18:43
+perlDreamer	are you using database cache, file cache or no cache?	18:43
SDuensin	The entire /data folder. Just picked the whole works up and moved it to a new box.	18:43
SDuensin	Cleared my cache after the move. No idea what I have. Whatever the WRE uses.	18:43
@Haarg	cache is file cache in the default webgui config	18:44
SDuensin	Updated my hosts file, my DNS, crontab, etc. Everybody resolves correctly (from a prompt at least).	18:44
@Haarg	can you get other rss feeds ok?	18:45
SDuensin	Not tried. That's the only one I have. Lemme go bang /. or something in there.	18:45
SDuensin	That worked. Lemme nuke it and recreate the WO	18:47
+perlDreamer	Wait!	18:48
SDuensin	Waiting!	18:48
topsub	when you make a my $form = webGUI::HTMLForm-> object and you go to $form->print does that call close the form? Anyone know.. I can't find it doing it but it seesm it is	18:48
+perlDreamer	Please create a package of that SC wobject, so that we can look at it and see what's up.	18:48
+perlDreamer	Post it as a bug.	18:48
+perlDreamer	and include the CS in that package, if you can.	18:48
SDuensin	The what?	18:48
SDuensin	Oh.	18:48
SDuensin	Duh.	18:48
SDuensin	:-)	18:49
@Haarg	seems most likely that it is a server config problem, but it always helps to have more test information	18:49
SDuensin	More information? Want a tarball of the entire site? :-P	18:49
+perlDreamer	topsub, no, I think it only prints whatever methods you have called on it.	18:49
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, sure, with passwords and usernames	18:49
+perlDreamer	credit card info optional	18:49
SDuensin	hehehe	18:49
@Haarg	more information as in the packages as pD said :)	18:50
+perlDreamer	topsub, I'm wrong	18:50
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+perlDreamer	it will close the form	18:50
+perlDreamer	When you call new, it makes a footer	18:50
@Haarg	also, if you haven't cleared the webgui cache you can try that	18:50
SDuensin	I did, Haarg	18:50
* SDuensin is trying to remember how to package		18:51
topsub	Ah yes i see it now in New, thanks perlDreamer	18:51
@Haarg	edit -> metadata -> make package?	18:51
@Haarg	then export in the asset manager	18:51
SDuensin	Ah. Thanks.	18:51
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SDuensin	perlDreamer - How do you want me to file this bug?	18:54
+perlDreamer	Just describe what you did. Made a CS with RSS, made a SC to talk to it, move both to another site. Breakage.	18:55
+perlDreamer	attach the packages to the ticket	18:55
SDuensin	Will do.	18:55
+perlDreamer	and then say that you want perlmonkey2 to fix it, since he's our best bug fixer	18:55
@perlmonkey2	hah	18:56
SDuensin	Filed.	19:00
SDuensin	FYI, recreating the SC didn't fix it.	19:04
@Haarg	the SC you posted works as is, and if i import the CS and point it to use that it still works	19:04
+perlDreamer	That's good. Should be easier to test.	19:04
@Haarg	so it has to be a server issue of some sort	19:04
SDuensin	That's my feeling.	19:04
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SDuensin	Spectre have a log somewhere?	19:05
@Haarg	so if you do a wget or curl of the url on the server itself it gets the right content?	19:05
@Haarg	spectre logs in webgui.log	19:05
SDuensin	Yep. wget worked fine.	19:05
SDuensin	Ooo - errors. :-)	19:06
SDuensin	2008/09/10 11:04:03 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::new[1616] - Asset constructor new() requires an assetId.	19:06
SDuensin	2008/09/10 11:04:03 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::processTemplate[2085] - Can't instantiate template for asset 2aSuSUjYINUOpB6nLTHaMA	19:06
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+perlDreamer	What is that asset?	19:06
SDuensin	That's the SC	19:06
+perlDreamer	select a.className, d.url from asset as a join assetData as d on a.assetId=d.assetId;	19:07
CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix POD spacing	19:07
@Haarg	ah, so it's a busted template	19:07
SDuensin	Damn perlDreamer - you pull that outta your ASCII?	19:08
+perlDreamer	I have typed that so many times it's not funny	19:08
SDuensin	hehe	19:08
SDuensin	What is that telling me? 781 rows.	19:08
+perlDreamer	select a.className, d.url from asset as a join assetData as d on a.assetId=d.assetId where a.assetId='2aSuSUjYINUOpB6nLTHaMA';	19:08
+perlDreamer	sorry, forgot the where clause;	19:09
SDuensin	4 rows.	19:09
SDuensin	Which makes sense.	19:09
* SDuensin remembers when assetId was less insane... 1, 2, 3, etc. :-)		19:10
SDuensin	ACK! It just showed up!	19:10
SDuensin	Magic!	19:10
SDuensin	Guess I didn't press "Save" enough before.	19:11
@Haarg	actually, i think i tested it a bit wrong - if i import the package and view it directly it pukes	19:11
@Haarg	but that's because i don't have your template	19:12
SDuensin	It's just a copy of the original template with the content whacked out.	19:13
@Haarg	does it work the same if you use one of the default templates?	19:19
SDuensin	Not sure now, since it started working. However, when I set up a test SC with a different feed, I used the same template and it worked.	19:19
@Haarg	the SC code is so confusing to read through, hard to tell if it is a template issue or a problem requesting the content	19:19
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CIA-39	WebGUI: colin * r7458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fix POD spacing	19:44
CIA-39	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7459 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Reoccurring transactions now use the correct user id	19:44
CIA-39	WebGUI: jt * r7460 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	19:44
CIA-39	WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/updates-to-conf-files	19:44
CIA-39	WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/wremonitor-doesnt-say-which-site-generated-an-error	19:44
CIA-39	WebGUI: - fixed: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/perl-module-module-exceptionclass-is-not-included-in-wre	19:44
@perlmonkey2	Can someone with high enough admin permissions check and see if Visitor has rights to create new PB wiki entries?	19:46
@preaction	perlmonkey2, they shouldn't	19:47
@perlmonkey2	Hmm, well that one seems difficult and I've just switched to focusing on the easy ones :D	19:48
@rizen	are you talking about the wiki post thing	19:49
@rizen	it's a template change	19:49
@rizen	there needs to be a variable on whether you can post or not	19:49
@rizen	and if you don't have rights	19:49
@rizen	then hide the edit screen	19:49
@rizen	it's very easy	19:50
@rizen	the problem right now is that no matter who you are and what the privileges of the wiki are	19:50
@rizen	everyone can see the edit tab	19:50
@rizen	and start using it	19:50
@rizen	but then you get pretty pissed off when you find out everything you just typed gets thrown away	19:51
@rizen	cuz you don't have privileges to post	19:51
SDuensin	rizen !	19:51
@rizen	SD!	19:51
SDuensin	Dude, you see Cappuccino yet?	19:51
@rizen	no idea what you're talking about	19:51
@rizen	is it a movie?	19:52
SDuensin	WHAT?!	19:52
@rizen	a piece of software?	19:52
@rizen	a tasty beverage?	19:52
SDuensin	Man! It's what you want to put your desktop stuff in WebGUI!	19:52
SDuensin	Screw the ZKDesktop I wrote. This is better. :-)	19:52
@perlmonkey2	rizen: Who should I ask to update the PB template then? Or do you trust me to only slightly bork it up?	19:52
@rizen	there is no pb template	19:53
@rizen	it's just the wiki template	19:53
@rizen	fix webgui first	19:53
@rizen	worry about whether pb.com is fucked up later	19:53
@perlmonkey2	k	19:53
@rizen	nevermind SD, i have seen it	19:55
@rizen	i just forgot	19:55
@perlmonkey2	rizen: patspam has a bug with the Thingy's intslider not being adjustable in its start, end, or range. Since that wasn't spec'd shoudl we move it to RFE or is it a bug?	19:55
* SDuensin smacks rizen		19:55
@perlmonkey2	Sounds like a bug to me, but it wasn't spec'd.	19:56
@rizen	rfe	19:57
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: are you saying that WB's own RSS doens't work with the SC? Or just on your packaged instance?	20:00
@perlmonkey2	s/WB/WG/	20:00
SDuensin	perlmonkey2 - It didn't work. Then it magically started to.	20:02
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: so is this a closed bug or do I need to attempt a replication?	20:05
SDuensin	I'd close it.	20:05
@perlmonkey2	You didn't change anything?	20:05
SDuensin	Nothing.	20:05
@perlmonkey2	It just started workign?	20:05
SDuensin	Yep.	20:05
@perlmonkey2	maybe a network issue?	20:05
SDuensin	Or the moon moved.	20:05
@perlmonkey2	hah, maybe I shoudl give it a try to make sure.	20:05
@preaction	or the Hourly Maintenance Tasks workflow started and updated the SC's cache	20:06
SDuensin	I thought of that, preaction, but I had used the Schedule thing in the admin panel to run them all after I moved the site.	20:07
@preaction	iirc the RSS feeds don't get updated until the cache gets deleted, also the activity makes sure to not keep hammering 404'd RSS feeds	20:08
@preaction	ha! apparently if you leave the action="" in a <form> empty, firefox uses the URL you're currently on	20:09
@preaction	with the query string intact	20:09
@preaction	looks like IE does it too	20:09
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: worked instantly for me	20:11
@perlmonkey2	just changed the url to 127.0.01	20:11
@perlmonkey2	must have been a network issue	20:11
SDuensin	I tried that, too. Weird.	20:11
* SDuensin is still betting on the moon.		20:11
@perlmonkey2	your email uid/pwd were packaged also	20:11
SDuensin	That's probably bad.	20:12
@perlmonkey2	hah, 2-1 on the mon	20:12
@perlmonkey2	moon	20:12
* perlmonkey2 shuts his mouth before he adds more bugs		20:12
SDuensin	Nuke that package then, ko?	20:12
@perlmonkey2	sure	20:12
@perlmonkey2	still there?	20:13
SDuensin	Yup	20:13
* SDuensin is a professional lurker		20:13
@perlmonkey2	I guess asking on IRC if anyone is there isn't the best way to make sure your internet is up. Power went out for half a second	20:15
SDuensin	hehe	20:16
@perlmonkey2	file nuked :)	20:16
SDuensin	Thanks	20:16
@perlmonkey2	Normally I'd say it was nothing, but now that I live in the sticks, I'm dodging power outages, internet outages and rabid squirrels.	20:17
+perlDreamer	Two of those can be fixed, you know.	20:18
@perlmonkey2	Although since I live in the sticks there will be no city ordinances against my winter project of building the 7 meter 1KW wind turbines and placing them as high as I can find affordable towers.	20:18
@perlmonkey2	power and which other can be fixed?	20:19
+perlDreamer	rabid squirrels can be fixed	20:19
+perlDreamer	but you have to be a veterinarian to do it	20:19
@preaction	by fixed you mean killed	20:20
@perlmonkey2	living in the sticks also means no gun ordinances. I didn't realize I'd have neighbors who would blast away with their hand guns all evening	20:20
+perlDreamer	No, by fixed I mean neutered.	20:20
@preaction	but they're still rabid	20:20
+perlDreamer	that's ok, at least they can't breed	20:21
+perlDreamer	and for a few days they'll be totally out of commission	20:21
@preaction	rabid animals don't breed, they bite	20:21
+perlDreamer	ah, I see	20:21
+perlDreamer	so they should see a dentist instead	20:21
@preaction	my logic is relentless and unyeilding! i shall win!	20:21
@perlmonkey2	3KW of wind turbines averaging half their power should make put me in the black with the power company. This is going to be the coolest project ever.	20:26
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2 is a utility?	20:27
@perlmonkey2	I hope to be one by this Spring :D	20:27
@perlmonkey2	although I think I only get $.015KW/h	20:28
@perlmonkey2	better than nothing I guess.	20:28
@perlmonkey2	I pay $.13/KW/h	20:28
+perlDreamer	$0.015KW/h is $0.36 KW/d which is about $9 KW/m	20:29
+perlDreamer	about two two Starbucks	20:29
+perlDreamer	1/2 pizza	20:29
@perlmonkey2	But being completely renewable? Priceless	20:29
+perlDreamer	Initial expenses for turbines and towers?	20:30
@bopbop	perlmonkey2: will PB pay for your wind turbines?	20:30
+perlDreamer	$15-20 K$?	20:30
@perlmonkey2	Having an excuse to uptool my little wood/metal shop? Double priceless	20:30
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: no way man. Biggest expense is the towers which are whatever you can find used.	20:30
@perlmonkey2	next biggest expense is magnets, about $200 for a 7 meter turbine	20:31
@perlmonkey2	then of course a ton of tonn turning blades and cutting metal and laying resin.	20:31
@perlmonkey2	s/tonn/time/	20:31
+perlDreamer	you're going to build the turbines?	20:31
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: well just buying them would be boring and not cost effective. Total luxury item.	20:31
+perlDreamer	You are a monster	20:32
@perlmonkey2	bopbop: I think there is a stipend if you are 50% green or something. rizen woudl remember.	20:32
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: heh, how so?	20:32
+perlDreamer	Building turbines from scratch.	20:33
+perlDreamer	Definitely monster level	20:33
@perlmonkey2	well, they won't exactly be commercial grade	20:33
@perlmonkey2	the only part that scares me is turning the blades.	20:33
+perlDreamer	You'll have to document your project, and submit it to Make magazine when you're done	20:33
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: Make is where I'll be getting directions :P	20:33
@perlmonkey2	I have a friend who put his turbine on hold after the magnets cracked his finger.	20:34
@perlmonkey2	What does it mean to buy a conference? Purchase a badge?	20:37
+perlDreamer	No clue.	20:40
@perlmonkey2	Ug, net gain of 2 bugs since Monday.	20:42
@perlmonkey2	I mean net removal.	20:42
topsub	Would it be possible to take the admin console and break it up into section tabs?	20:47
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, can you help me close a bug?