| --- Log opened Mon Dec 01 00:00:11 2008 | ||
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8723 /experimental/wgfs/ (lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t): | 00:34 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: better stat() mode calculation | 00:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: bug fixes | 00:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: changed root to root_path and added root_path() method to be consistent with other Filesys::Virtual drivers | 00:34 |
| * SDuensin dreams of the day he can directly open templates with Coda. | 00:38 | |
| @rizen | will never happen | 00:38 |
| SDuensin | Says you. :-P | 00:38 |
| * rizen put an exclusion for Coda right in the driver | 00:38 | |
| SDuensin | See, that's the problem with open sores. Any fool can edit it. | 00:38 |
| @rizen | you assume you can read my unintelligible code | 00:39 |
| SDuensin | Done it before. :-P | 00:39 |
| SDuensin | Is there a way to not use the quantity field in a product? | 00:41 |
| BartJol | maybe there's a default value for it | 00:44 |
| BartJol | maybe I've seen that | 00:45 |
| SDuensin | But my products have no quantity available. They're produced on-demand. | 00:46 |
| BartJol | no, that it WebGUI think with that vaule, the supply is endless or on demand | 00:48 |
| @rizen | SD you need to set it to 99999999 | 00:51 |
| @rizen | it requires a quantity | 00:51 |
| BartJol | cd.. | 00:53 |
| @rizen | ahah! | 00:57 |
| @rizen | or ah ha | 00:57 |
| @rizen | or ah hah! | 00:57 |
| @rizen | but not uh huh? | 00:57 |
| BartJol | ? are you going insane? please do not | 00:58 |
| BartJol | I had the wrong window | 00:59 |
| * SDuensin will set it and edit it out of the display template. | 00:59 | |
| BartJol | goodnight | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | booyah grandma! | 01:05 |
| @rizen | eureka | 01:05 |
| @rizen | pay dirt | 01:05 |
| SDuensin | Yes? | 01:06 |
| @rizen | we have working webdav | 01:06 |
| @rizen | i may just have to take the rest of my life off | 01:07 |
| SDuensin | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! | 01:07 |
| SDuensin | If I had time, I'd drive up there and kiss you. | 01:07 |
| @rizen | if you did, i'd smack you over the head with a hatchet | 01:08 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8724 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5.pl: fixing a Matrix v2 upgrade bug | 01:08 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8725 /experimental/wgfs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:08 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: bug fixes | 01:08 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: we have working webdav - wahoo!!! | 01:08 |
| SDuensin | So what's the DAV stuff do so far? | 01:10 |
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| @rizen | oh, only everything | 01:14 |
| @rizen | you can edit assets | 01:14 |
| @rizen | if you download an asset that is not a subclass of WebGUI::Asset::File | 01:14 |
| @rizen | then it gives you a json blob | 01:14 |
| SDuensin | Blob me, baby./ | 01:15 |
| @rizen | if it's a binary file you can simply download and upload and it creates assets | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | You may be my new hero. | 01:16 |
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| @rizen | hardly, this is only step 1 of a lot of steps, before it's ready for any kind of real purpose | 01:17 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but it's getting there. | 01:18 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8726 /experimental/wgfs/lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm: made the json blob pretty | 03:12 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8727 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merged yung-thingy-rfe | 04:38 |
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| patspam | pluggable user profile looks really sweet | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2! | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | You're up late tonight | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | well, at least your IRC client is | 06:55 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8728 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: remove some old merge leftovers | 08:59 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8729 /WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original: | 08:59 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Made log.conf.original comment consistent with what log4perl configuration | 08:59 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: actually does (WARNings are not captured). | 08:59 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8730 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): fixed UserList | 12:57 |
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| SDuensin | Morning! | 16:43 |
| BartJol | morning | 16:44 |
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| Guest54306 | Hey, I'm not sure if I did this question before but I don't still have any answer so I ask you anyway | 17:02 |
| BartJol | ok | 17:02 |
| Guest54306 | Anyone has worked with perl (or WebGUI) and auth memcookie? | 17:03 |
| BartJol | not me | 17:03 |
| Guest54306 | :( | 17:03 |
| Guest54306 | I really need this | 17:03 |
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| * SDuensin smacks preaction with anything other than a large trout | 17:36 | |
| * rizen reminds SDuensin that preaction often wears the troutshield of protection, so he would have been immune to the trout had SDuensin used it | 17:37 | |
| SDuensin | See? I out-thunk him! | 17:37 |
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| SDuensin | Satan created CSS. | 17:47 |
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| SDuensin | Did I dream there was a macro to display an image at an arbitrary size? Or am I having a flashback to 5.x? | 18:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol, welcome to PBWG | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Still weird seeing you with hair, though | 18:12 |
| BartJol | thanks | 18:12 |
| BartJol | well, I cut it yesterday | 18:13 |
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| SDuensin | preaction lives! | 18:16 |
| @preaction | explains to me why updating Safari requires a full restart of OS X? | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | Yea! I wanna know too! | 18:17 |
| @preaction | also, SDuensin do you have an e-mail address? | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | Or updating the frickin' RAW filters. | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | Email? What's that? | 18:17 |
| @preaction | exactly | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | Work addy: scott@jaegertech.com | 18:18 |
| @preaction | hm. that was the one i sent to. anyway | 18:18 |
| SDuensin | Who was it from? I'll whitelist the address. | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, can you please pastebin me some of the text that's causing the Product to error out? | 19:16 |
| SDuensin | Sure. I'll find exactly what killed it. Gimmie a sec. | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I've tried pasting in stuff from OpenOffice, but no luck trying to recreate | 19:16 |
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| @rizen | preaction: for the same reason IE requires the same thing...apple stupidly integrated the browser into the OS | 19:18 |
| @preaction | but there's no way to reload just, for example, the window manager that is using those frameworks? | 19:18 |
| @preaction | i mean, kernel-level reboot should be only necessary for kernel changes | 19:19 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - http://webgui.pastebin.com/m436f596f - It's the quote after the 16 that kills it. | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! Thanks. Now I can try to get it down to a specific test, or an upgrade of JSON.pm in the core | 19:19 |
| @rizen | preaction, but "it's just easier" to restart everything to to restart individual processes | 19:20 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:20 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's not a slippery slope or anything... | 19:20 |
| @preaction | "it's just easier to not check if a file was successfully copied before we delete it" | 19:21 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - YW | 19:21 |
| @rizen | preaction: it's just easier to kill your enemies than it is to negotiate with them | 19:22 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - FYI, it came from a DOC file that I loaded into TextEdit and pasted into FF. | 19:22 |
| Lisette | how to do to redirect to other page from a payDriver? | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, look into WebGUI::Session::Http.pm | 19:29 |
| Lisette | thanks | 19:32 |
| Lisette | i'm going to see | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | particularly, the ->redirect method | 19:33 |
| Lisette | in any place there is an example? | 19:33 |
| @preaction | there are lots of places, but there is also documentation | 19:34 |
| @preaction | do a grep for "setRedirect" | 19:34 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8731 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:43 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Update POD for several methods. | 19:43 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Make getObject clone data for safety and update tests. | 19:43 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Make newObject always alter $address for consistency and update tests. | 19:43 |
| Lisette | and with this setRedirect i can send params? | 20:10 |
| @preaction | you can send a query string, yes. not POST params though | 20:11 |
| Lisette | i need with method post | 20:12 |
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| @preaction | why do the latest webgui has a "lastUpdated" field when there is already a revisionDate field? | 20:31 |
| SDuensin | So you know when you last updated the latest revision? :-P | 20:31 |
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| @Haarg | sometimes there are updates without new revisions | 20:34 |
| Bernd__ | Hey everyone, | 20:37 |
| Bernd__ | how is business going? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | still hacking | 20:38 |
| Bernd__ | Surprise, surprise :-) | 20:39 |
| Bernd__ | Question: How can I post those "*" remarks to the chat? | 20:39 |
| Bernd__ | I have seen them very often and want to be able to post them, too. | 20:40 |
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| @preaction | Bernd__: you mean "/me does something" ? | 20:45 |
| * preaction does something | 20:45 | |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd__: you say slash me | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction does a whole lot of things, really | 20:46 |
| * Bernd__ is having a cup of tea and enjoying the chat | 20:46 | |
| +perlDreamer | including teaching perlDreamer javascript | 20:46 |
| Bernd__ | Can I join the lesson? | 20:46 |
| Bernd__ | I very much like that Ajax stuff. | 20:46 |
| Bernd__ | Is that all implemented by using YUI | 20:47 |
| Bernd__ | ? | 20:47 |
| @preaction | yes | 20:47 |
| Bernd__ | Difficult to learn? | 20:47 |
| @preaction | not really | 20:47 |
| @preaction | if you already know some JS it should be fine | 20:47 |
| Bernd__ | Hm, I just have too little time for all the interesting stuff in the world :-( | 20:47 |
| Bernd__ | Maybe I should start working as hard as rizen? | 20:47 |
| Bernd__ | preaction, not at all. | 20:48 |
| Bernd__ | I only know some Java. | 20:48 |
| Bernd__ | But I am out of practice. | 20:48 |
| Bernd__ | I think I am going to stay with pure HTML for the moment. | 20:48 |
| Bernd__ | Thanks for the hint with "slash me", btw. | 20:49 |
| @preaction | best to think of javascript as having nothing to do with java, makes it easier to learn | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, I can duplicate your bug. And it's testable, too. That is very good news. | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I could use some utf8 help if you have a little time | 21:09 |
| @Haarg | sure | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | In the product, I used encode_json and decode_json | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and it they throw an error on "wide characters" | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I can fix that bug by using to_json and from_json | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but will it still work with international, utf8 characters? | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | yes | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | i had that a bit confused for a while | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | so, in general, we should not use encode_json and decode_json? | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | basically, unless you are dealing with file i/o | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | you should use to_ and from_ | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 21:11 |
| @Haarg | and not use ->utf8 | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | has anyone looked through the codebase for that? | 21:11 |
| @Haarg | i've been meaning to | 21:11 |
| @Haarg | there are some places that do need to use encode_ | 21:11 |
| @Haarg | the package system for example | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | One thing I'm confused about is testing | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | the code fails in apache, but not in the tests | 21:12 |
| @Haarg | which tests? | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I jimmied up a test to throw in a wide character into a product collateral | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and it does not die | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Let me pastebin some code for you | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d63c6bc65 | 21:14 |
| @Haarg | you sure it's actually a wide character? | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | see the funny, backwards double quote next to 16? | 21:15 |
| @Haarg | you can't inline characters like that without 'use utf8' or similar | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | if you run the test, it does print out as funny | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'll add the use utf8 line to the test to see what's up | 21:16 |
| @Haarg | it's probably just getting the byte sequence, not the character | 21:16 |
| @Haarg | i'd suggest using an escape code instead | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | something like \x{dddd} ? | 21:17 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:18 |
| @Haarg | use utf8 will probably work, but an escape will make it more obvious what you are actually doing | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | is there a lookup table someplace online for encodings? | 21:18 |
| @Haarg | nothing i know of | 21:19 |
| @Haarg | \x{201d} | 21:20 |
| @Haarg | is the quote you have there | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yep, much better. Test go boom | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | How did you look that up? | 21:22 |
| @Haarg | use utf8 + Data::Dumper | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: it's fixed. 7.5.35 should be coming out this week. | 21:33 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Sweet. | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | If you want it sooner, then you can pull it from svn | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | for the 7.5 branch, it's 8732 | 21:37 |
| SDuensin | Na, not a problem. I just used a regular quote and it's fine. | 21:37 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8732 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix wide character handling in Product JSON collateral | 21:39 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8733 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port Product JSON collateral wide character fix | 21:39 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8734 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (Automat/Customer.pm WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm): added an email all hosting customers option | 21:39 |
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| carogray | hi all - Plain Black people - can you remind me what we tell people who are finally ready to direct their a records to the Plain Black server i.e. they want their demo site to now be live where do I find the info? | 21:57 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: frank * r8735 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Updated the POD for some of the new and changes methods to make their use more clear. | 22:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | haha | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | anybody read this: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046193&cid=25935403 | 23:02 |
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| SDuensin | Gotta love Perl. | 23:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah crap: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046193&cid=25937375 | 23:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | still... gotta love perl | 23:05 |
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| @preaction | http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/what-your-computer-does-while-you-wait <- interesting little thing on performance | 23:36 |
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| nuba | hey folks, this is totally offtopic, but here's me playing some ragtime-like guitar song last friday, at university, in a improvised gathering http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beKTgRUanp0 | 00:20 |
| nuba | its a passable rendition to a awesome song, Clap, by Steve Howe, in his first album with the Yes band, early 70s | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | he can hack, pick and strum! | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Could a nice PB staff-type person please move this into the RFE board? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9180 | 00:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: done | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks. | 00:49 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to run errands | 01:07 | |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8736 /branch/wrebuild_0.8: putting wre 0.8 into mothballs | 01:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8737 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Make Posts respect the email privacy setting. Fixed in 7.6 branch only. | 01:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8738 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 01:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: removed WDK | 01:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: added --ia64 flag for custom processing on 64-bit systems | 01:15 |
| SDuensin | Is there a limit to the number of products a shelf will display? I'm only seeing a fraction of what I've entered. | 01:17 |
| SDuensin | Seems it shows the last 25 products I entered and gives up the fight. | 01:20 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8739 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): | 02:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: - Added the following components: | 02:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: gnutils-2.6.2 | 02:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: libgcrypt-1.4.3 | 02:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: libgpg-error-1.7 | 02:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: libiconv-1.12 | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, check for pagination controls in the Shelf template | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | 25 is the default pagination size, so it's suspicious | 02:40 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Thanks. Will do. | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, the default shelf template does not have pagination controls. That's definitely the problem. | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that's probably a bu | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | g | 04:14 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8740 /WebGUI/ (193 files in 16 dirs): | 04:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Adding tinymce language support for arabic, portugeuese, | 04:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: danish, french, russian, spanish, german, dutch, norway, | 04:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: hungarian and italian. | 04:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8741 /WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/ (16 files in 15 dirs): add polish language support to tinymce | 04:17 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Well, I'm good at breaking things. :-) | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that's also two shop related bugs in 1 day | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | not too bad | 04:38 |
| SDuensin | Is the pagination just a template change? That one *is* a big deal for me. | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it is, but it's also a bug | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if you post it, I'll fix it | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I'll probably have it fixed before you post it | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would be nice to have it documented. | 04:39 |
| SDuensin | I'll post it real fast. | 04:39 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8742 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (209 files in 16 dirs): backport language pack support for tinymce | 04:40 |
| SDuensin | Posted. | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | You beat me | 05:50 |
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| patspam | perlDreamer++ # implementing an RFE that was submitted for me while I was asleep, and finishing it before I woke up, that's fast | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we aim to please at perlDreamer Consulting | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it's out new psychic interface | 05:59 |
| elnino | hello! If I have an article who calls the ParentPageURL macro and I make a short cut of that article and put it on a page layout, who's ParentPageURL is it going to get? | 06:00 |
| elnino | it appears to be going into a loop and getting confused. | 06:00 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: you still awake? | 06:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yo | 06:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: | 06:01 |
| patspam | word | 06:01 |
| patspam | I'm thinking plenty of people will want a simple "congrats, you finished the survey" on their survey exit page | 06:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | an exit section or have the exit url got to a page with that message. | 06:02 |
| patspam | was just musing that people could put survey_url?msg=my%20message%20goes%20here | 06:02 |
| patspam | and get survey to print out msg form param if it exists | 06:03 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8743 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add basic pagination support to the default Shelf template. | 06:03 |
| patspam | would save people from having to create an article containing the message | 06:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | seems like it might be easy enough to do | 06:05 |
| patspam | ah, but you're right, an exit section is probably better | 06:05 |
| patspam | hadn't thought of that | 06:05 |
| patspam | I was thinking about it in the context of exitUrl for survey timeouts, since we probably need to tell the user what has happened | 06:06 |
| patspam | in my case I want to force users to restart the survey with a message telling them that they timed out | 06:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, I wondered what else it should do. | 06:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So I guess I should break out the check of if the survey has ended to return different codes + messages. | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, could you set up a demo site (with standard credential) and post the link back here please? | 06:08 |
| patspam | yeah, and we could offer a drop-down of what to do on timeout: go to exitUrl, restart, etc.. | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's a bug, post it as a bug then I can use that as a test bed for fixing it. | 06:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: just make it a asset setting? | 06:12 |
| patspam | yeah | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | DataForm has an acknowledgement template and message | 06:12 |
| elnino | perlDreamer. hmm. I guess ParentPageURL is a user contrib. I guess I can't really expect you to fix it even if I do find a problem. It's more complex, I'm calling parentPageURL from a macro I created from a shortcut on a page layout.... So maybe I should ask if there is a way to do what I want to do..=) | 06:13 |
| elnino | *All* I want to do is. Grab the last part of the url: /url/path/to/this.. I want just "this" | 06:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: you'll have to forgive me, i'm not really with it today. I was attacked by a tree Yesterday and the tree won. | 06:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how do you not spend all your time here: http://www.sparkfun.com | 06:15 |
| elnino | keeping in mind that it's called from an article that has been shortcutted and placed on a pagelayout. And I'm looking for the last part of the pagelayout's url. | 06:16 |
| patspam | pm2: damn trees! do you have scars that tell the tale? | 06:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: heh, no, just a nice red line across my face. | 06:18 |
| patspam | ouch. how did you manage that? | 06:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | was driving a truck out around a lake. I backed into a tree, heard some squeeking and turned to look just as a branch flipped free of the truck by swinging through the window and into my face. Was quite comical after I realized I hadn't been blinded. | 06:21 |
| * perlDreamer is a dedicated Make blog reader, perlmonkey2 | 06:27 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, I ordered the ardrino starter book today. | 06:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | should be fun stuff. | 06:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I used the OOPic for my last UAV. | 06:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but it was fairly limited | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I built two PICs at Maxim | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | snif | 06:28 |
| * perlDreamer grieves quietly but bravely | 06:29 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, but when you say you "built a PIC", you don't mean you soldered some IC's to some transistors, do you? | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I mean from the ground up. | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | We started with the instruction set | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and ended up with a PIC | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | built the ALU, RAM, ROM, EEPROM | 06:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nice | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | two digital interfaces (1-wire and SPI) | 06:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 1-wire++ | 06:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | don't know what SPI is. | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I even hacked the gnupic tools to do our compiling for us | 06:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh, cool | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | SPI is also called I2C? | 06:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, okay | 06:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | making specialized controllers? | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | industrial stuff? | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | no, smaller projects | 06:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | When my buddy got out of EE, he started a consulting business doing what he had done at work, and then did software on the side, and then sold his software business for millions. | 06:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Not that you should do that, as I think everyone is happy you are doing software as your main business :) | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 06:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: shoot me an email on if you like the url encoded exit message or having a way to set messages for different exit scenarios. | 06:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, I'm confused again. SMB == I2C. SPI is a 3-wire interface | 06:52 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8744 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting default shelf template pagination template fix | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, please try ^PageUrl(); and see what it gives you. | 07:17 |
| elnino | Thanks. I actually figured it out,I ended up writing my own macro that took the env(path_info) and striped everything except what i wanted. | 07:18 |
| elnino | although env seems buggy, at least it doesn't return what I think it should return. I'll write a bug for that. | 07:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Session/Env doesn't do much with the environment hash. It might be more of an Apache thing. | 07:27 |
| elnino | yep. I got the idea from the loginbox macro - it's the only place I saw i used. It picks up HTTP header variables. | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm glad you found a solution | 07:29 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8745 /branch/yung-thingy-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added rfe 9128: Thingy fields subtext and pretext now have max length of 1024. | 12:13 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8746 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5.pl: fixing matrix upgrade bugfix | 13:07 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8747 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (MatrixListing.pm Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed a bug in Matrix deleteAttribute method | 13:34 |
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| Lisette | how to get the address in a payDriver? | 15:21 |
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| Lisette | how to get the address in a payDriver? | 15:32 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:52 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | when dealing with non-utf8 chars, would you use to_json or encode_json? encode has the implied utf8=>1 flag. | 16:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and why do people still leave their system settings to a locale, instead of universal utf8? | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | People leave it where it defaulted during the install. | 16:45 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: when do you build the beta release? | 17:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Trying to see how much time I have to resolve the utf8 issue. | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | which utf8 issue? | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | probably early afternoon? | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | ... that was supposed to be a statement not a question | 17:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | survey on beta isn't working. Think it is the to_json vs the encode_json issue. | 17:58 |
| @Haarg | ah | 17:58 |
| @Haarg | for survey, use to_ and from_ everywhere, or don't use ->utf8 if doing oo | 17:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | it uses encode/decode | 18:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | which convert to utf8 | 18:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but with wide non-utf8 encodings, they break. | 18:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or at least wide points which don't fit into utf8. Of which I believe there are only a few edge cases which don't. | 18:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The windows backticks I believe don't fit. | 18:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and commas | 18:01 |
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| @Haarg | you don't want to use encode_ and decode_ | 18:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, we'd hate to assume utf8. | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | it's not that simple | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | we do assume utf8 | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | but that is handled elsewhere | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | actually, wait | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | are you dealing with writing or reading files? | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | that gets a bit trickier | 18:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nope | 18:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just encoding and decoding user entered text | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | basically, everything going out or in from apache is utf8 | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | but you don't have to care | 18:07 |
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| @Haarg | same for the database | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | in the perl code, you just always treat it as character strings | 18:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, but anything that doesn't fit into the utf8 space is just left as a bad wide char. | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | which is what to_json/from_json do | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | if you use encode_json, it tries to encode the characters into utf8 | 18:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so if you have a multi-byte with the first byte not having the correct byte count, you have a bad space that is just quietly passed along. | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | but that is already done by the db layer | 18:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: right, and it is strict in its encoding. | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | so it causes problems | 18:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no silent failures. | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | but you don't want to encode at all | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | because that is done elsewhere | 18:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8748 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Minor fix. JSON no longer assumes proper utf8, but uses whatever off-brand locale a luser wants to use. | 18:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, but if we take their windows encoded (or whatever) and just assume utf8, then when we show it back to them, the page encoding will be labeled utf8, but their browser will see non-utf8 wide encodings that don't fit and give them the bad wide char char. | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't come in as the windows encoding | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | it comes in as utf8 | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | non-utf8 wide characters doesn't make much sense anyway | 18:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | let me try that on the beta server and see what happens. | 18:11 |
| @Haarg | wide characters are always going to be utf-8 or utf-16 or something like that | 18:11 |
| @Haarg | the windows encoding (or whatever other encoding like that) are all single-byte | 18:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1228147391_379/home/untitled?func=editSurvey why does that work but we get utf8 errors when you try to take the survey? maybe a yui widget is failing. | 18:12 |
| @Haarg | isn't that using encode_json/decode_json? | 18:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes. I only just now changed it. | 18:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | not on beta though. | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | using encode_json/decode_json is the problem | 18:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I need a non utf8 encoded point that does't fit into the utf8 space to test this. | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | i don't know of any characters like that | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | that's the whole point of unicode | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | that it has all of the characters | 18:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes, but there are some significant bit code points in say Western that don't translate to utf8. Their byte claims to be a multibyte char in utf8, but they aren't. | 18:19 |
| @Haarg | i don't really understand what you mean | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | the characters in western all exist in utf8 | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | because utf8 is just an encoding scheme for unicode | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't really matter what the encodings are in western, because the browser sends them in utf8 | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | and if the browser didn't send them in utf8 we wouldn't be able to deal with them anyway | 18:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I just used an Eastern (don't know which ISO) and cut and pasted into the demo survey. I can't belive it. was cut off at "I can" as the ' was probably a 11 byte, but the next byte also had a significant bit | 18:24 |
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| @Haarg | are you seeing any cases that are broken now that you've changed it to to_json/from_json? | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yes | 18:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | when I send the eastern encoded string, it is not sent back correctly to the editor. But it is stored and sent back to the presentation correctly. | 18:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and how would the high bit Western encodings fit into UTF8? And western point that starts with 1, would be a bad wide char. | 18:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Well, not a western point, but a western byte. | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | again, everything comes in as utf8 | 18:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | then why would encode and decode break? | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | because the database already does encoding | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | so you are double encoding stuff | 18:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | how would the database know which encoding was coming in? Wouldn't it just assume utf8 is being passed in? | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | ok | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | browser has characters | 18:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, are those bytes or points? | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | it encodes them to utf8 to send | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | doesn't matter | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | characters | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | apache gets the utf8 strings, gives them to webgui | 18:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well my Latvian I can't belive it. didn't get encoded correctly | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | webgui (WebGUI::Session::Form) decodes the utf8 to characters | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | inside webgui everything treats them as characters | 18:34 |
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| @Haarg | when you save to the database, it send encodes them to utf8 for storage | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | and decodes them back to characters when it pulls them out | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | in webgui (excepting i/o), we always should just be treating them as character strings | 18:36 |
| @Haarg | i may see the problem though | 18:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm thinking the to/from fixed the issue. Looks like a template error. | 18:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the template value isn't surrounded with quotes. | 18:37 |
| Lisette | how to do to get the address in a payDriver? | 19:10 |
| @rizen | opinion: I'm working on WRE 1.0 | 19:29 |
| @rizen | opinion needed, that is | 19:29 |
| @rizen | and i'm thinking about upgrading MySQL | 19:29 |
| @rizen | 5.1 came out | 19:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 5.1? | 19:30 |
| @rizen | and it has a lot of bug fixes | 19:30 |
| SDuensin | Bleeding edge, baby. I can take it. | 19:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I just read a short review that said it should probably still be called beta. | 19:30 |
| @rizen | stuff that isn't ever going to get patched in to 5.0 | 19:30 |
| @rizen | cuz they appear to have end of lifed 5.0 | 19:30 |
| @rizen | i read the monty blog post too | 19:30 |
| @rizen | and he's clearly conflicted | 19:30 |
| @rizen | he said that the new features are clearly beta | 19:31 |
| @rizen | but also that there's lots of bugs fixed in 5.1 that aren't going to be fixed in 5.0 | 19:31 |
| @rizen | including several fairly major crash bugs | 19:31 |
| @rizen | so...could i hear your thoughts and opinions, so i can roll them around in my head for a little while | 19:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just as long as the business logic layer doesn't creep into triggers and stored procs, its all good. | 19:32 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8749 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added an epochDate field to the template for CS RSS items. The ^D(); + macro can then format the epoch date. | 19:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Doesn't look like any of the listed bugs are show stoppers | 19:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Although it would be nice if transactions every became something stable enough to be usable. | 19:42 |
| @rizen | thanks for the opinion...anybody else have a thought? cap10morgan preaction Haarg khenn_ anybody? | 19:45 |
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| @preaction | i would say provided there are no regressions with 5.1, go for it | 19:46 |
| @khenn | I agree with preaction | 19:46 |
| * SDuensin likes new software. | 19:46 | |
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| +cap10morgan | rizen: i assume you won't have webgui magically start using 5.1-only features when it's running in wre 1.0, so it seems like a good idea to me | 19:48 |
| @Haarg | since the bugs seem to mainly be in the new features (which we aren't using) upgrading seems fine | 19:49 |
| @rizen | nope, we won't be using any 5.1 features | 19:49 |
| @rizen | because the API backward compatibility guarantee applies through-out the 7.x series | 19:49 |
| @rizen | MySQL 5.0 is the base | 19:49 |
| @rizen | as is Apache 2.0 and Perl 5.8 | 19:50 |
| @rizen | So even though we're upgrading to Apache 2.2 and Perl 5.10 in the new WRE, we won't be able to make use of any of those new features either | 19:50 |
| @rizen | only the performance enhancements and bug fixes | 19:50 |
| @rizen | ok, so it sounds like everybody is for moving to 5.1, so I'll add that | 19:50 |
| @rizen | cap10morgan: as promised, WRE 1.0's primary new feature is going to be 64-bit support | 19:51 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, nice! | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | MORE BITS! Whoo! | 19:51 |
| +cap10morgan | now that i know more about the ins and outs, that's mainly nice for the mysql component. but that's pretty important. | 19:52 |
| +cap10morgan | but the pre-fork apache processes could already use more than 4GB of RAM amongst themselves since each one gets its own address space, as you explained to me before. so that relieves most of the pressure on our end. | 19:53 |
| @rizen | well it's nice for more than memory. theoretically native 64-bit calculations should be faster due to higher through-put | 19:55 |
| @rizen | so that affects apache, perl, mysql, etc | 19:55 |
| +cap10morgan | cool | 19:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: you finally got it compiled on 64 bit? swa-eet. | 19:56 |
| @rizen | no | 19:57 |
| @rizen | that's just what i'm working on for wre 1.0 | 19:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, may the 64 bit gods smile upon your endevors then. | 19:57 |
| @rizen | i've gotten tips from mrhairgrease, koen, and knowmad, so hopefully i can now make it work | 19:59 |
| @rizen | plus i'm upgrading to the latest versions of everything, so hopefully that helps as well | 19:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, are you releasing today? | 20:01 |
| @Haarg | yes | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. I'll be watching for your release notice then to stop committing to the 7.5 branch. | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | meantime, could someone please move this into the RFE category: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9023 | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the cart template never had a page title | 20:06 |
| @Haarg | today is 7.6 release | 20:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: is that really an RFE? | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so, but I could be convinced otherwise | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Should the view cart page have a title? | 20:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | good question | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | To me, that's what it boils down to. | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | shop comes before Asset in the content handler, so I was thinking (but didn't check) that the session asset would not exist yet | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that would rule it out | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess we could put a static title in it | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | View Cart | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but the bug mentioned wanting to be able to change it, which sounds like user config | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | the user config is out of scope for the Shop right now | 20:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I can find no flaws in that | 20:24 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: done | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, man. | 20:26 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8750 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add Help for new epochDate CS RSS template variable. | 20:37 |
| ckotil | RFE: include DENY in the subject for denied version tags. | 20:42 |
| ckotil | thoughts? | 20:42 |
| ckotil | hell include APPROVED for approved version tags as well | 20:43 |
| ckotil | bc right now its not apparent just by looking at the subject wheather or not a tag was approved/denied | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I like it, ckotil | 20:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I like it too | 20:48 |
| ckotil | cool, i just about have the RFE written up and submitted | 20:48 |
| ckotil | I think we will just need to modify the Notify about version tag Workflow Activity | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, rev 8081 actually fixes a bug in 7.5 | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | is it safe to back port it to 7.5? | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8081 | 20:53 |
| ckotil | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9209 | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought about doing just the Calendar part, but the CS, Gallery, and Wiki are also affected. So we'd be heading off bugs by doing it that way. | 20:57 |
| @Haarg | there have been a couple bugs introduced by that change | 21:18 |
| @Haarg | so i'd prefer not backporting it | 21:18 |
| @Haarg | what is the 7.5 bug? | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | when you copy a calendar, it creates version tags for each child event | 21:22 |
| @Haarg | ah | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | most likely because getParent returns nothing useful | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I can work with that | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | if getParent isn't defined, I'll have it return undef | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | inside of getAutoCommitWorkflow inside Event.pm | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, what kind of bugs are you seeing in 7.6 related to that? | 21:24 |
| @Haarg | they were fixed, but there was an issue with the email -> CS workflow | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 21:25 |
| @Haarg | i don't know of any related bugs that still exist | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should just do the Calendar/Event fix then | 21:25 |
| @Haarg | but given how large of a change it is and that there have been bugs with it already i'm just not certain about backporting it | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see if I can find a different/better solution then | 21:26 |
| * perlDreamer bows to Haarg's experience and wisdom | 21:28 | |
| @Haarg | it looks like i used a different solution for how to keep recurring events in the correct tag for 7.5 vs 7.6 | 21:30 |
| @Haarg | don't remember why | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if getAutoCommitWorkflow return undef, it uses VersionTag->getWorking, which seems to be the right solution to me | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I'm going to try and emulate in 7.5 | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Also, before you commit, would you please see if you can duplicate my RTE bug for 7.5? | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's really strange | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | in that there's been no changes to that code, but it stopped working | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping it's just my browser version | 21:32 |
| @Haarg | you have a link? | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9170 | 21:33 |
| @Haarg | i think i know the problem | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | my error console says (method || 'p').toLowerCase is not a method | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | or something very similar | 21:35 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8751 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix badge viewing issue in the EMS | 21:35 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8752 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting ems badge viewing permission fix | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | i should probably report the bug in tinymce for that one | 21:36 |
| @Haarg | fix committed | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | does that fix also prevent the RTE from wrapping everything in paragraph tags? | 21:38 |
| @Haarg | kind of | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | it wraps in paragraph tags unless you set the option to use br tags | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | well, then I think you may have fixed two bugs... | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | well, the bug fix for that broke it | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | so now the brokenness is fixed | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9130 | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll close my bug, and then test the other one to see if it's fixed, too. | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and the fix, it codes around a bug in tinymce by not sending the option at all, versus sending JSON::true? | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | sorry for not posting something on that bug | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's okay, I know you're busy | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | i was told about the bug through different channels, and didn't know it was posted as a bug until later | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | heh, i didn't document it because the bug was introduced in the same version | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure I followed that Haarg. | 22:00 |
| @Haarg | that bug was never in a released version | 22:00 |
| @Haarg | doesn't really matter though | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and it brings us one closer to < 3 pages of bugs | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it also didn't fix the other RTE bug that I mentioned. But I'll try to close down the Calendar version tag bug first and then try it | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been shying away from Bazaar and Helpdesk bugs | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | there are really only a handful of core WebGUI bugs posted | 22:02 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8753 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm: fix rich editor | 22:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8754 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: document RTE bug fix (useBr workaround) | 22:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8755 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): (log message trimmed) | 22:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: - Upgraded the following components to these new versions: | 22:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: aspell6-en-6.0-0 | 22:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: aspell-0.60.6 | 22:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: awstats-6.8 | 22:07 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: expat-2.0.1 | 22:07 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: ImageMagick-6.4.6-8 | 22:07 |
| @Haarg | was this fix put into 7.5? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9155 | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | No. | 22:08 |
| @Haarg | ok | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen thought it was too radical for 7.5 at this point | 22:08 |
| @Haarg | the changelog entry was added for it | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it was? | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix that | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I originally developed it in 7.5, then had to port it over to 7.5 | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6 | 22:09 |
| nuba | perlbot: paste | 22:09 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/pfn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it. | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I must not have cleaned it up | 22:09 |
| @rizen | what is too radical? | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | the headblock/extra head tags change | 22:10 |
| @rizen | it should have only been put into 7.6 | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it was | 22:10 |
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| @rizen | ok, then what's the problem? | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I forgot to remove the changelog notice | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | (from 7.5) | 22:11 |
| @rizen | ok | 22:11 |
| @rizen | so no problem | 22:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | Ever since you got me canned, I've been very careful to do _exactly_ what you say. | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | except for that jalapeno juice cure for colds | 22:12 |
| nuba | hah | 22:13 |
| nuba | nasty | 22:13 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 22:16 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I have no pending/halfway commits, so please don't hold the release for me | 22:16 |
| @Haarg | ok | 22:17 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, did you end up doing anything with that calendar copy problem? | 22:24 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8756 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: undocument bug that is not fixed in this version | 22:36 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8758 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm t/Form/Textarea.t): | 22:36 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: use proper method of formatting text for display in Textarea form | 22:36 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: control | 22:36 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8759 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm): | 22:36 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: - security: A problem was discovered and fixed in which users could email | 22:36 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: executable attachments to a collaboration system and then when viewed online, | 22:36 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: could execute them. We recommend immediate upgrade for all 7.x users. | 22:36 |
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| +snapcount | anybody see a problem with changing line 439 of WSClient.pm from if (!$@) { to if (!$@ && defined $aref) { | 00:35 |
| +snapcount | I'm not sure what the process is for submitting patches these days so I figured I'd start here | 00:35 |
| +snapcount | I was getting an error when I used the WSClient and that fixes it | 00:36 |
| +snapcount | DEBUG - www.hdpublishinggroup.com.conf - WebGUI::Macro::process[142] - Stack trace for ERROR Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440. | 00:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, no changes to calendar yet. My return undef if !$parent fix did not work. | 00:59 |
| @Haarg | i'm not really sure how the changes i made in 7.6 dealt with the issue | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it's gotta be in there somewhere | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | the problem i saw right off when looking at it | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | is the duplicate method on the calendar | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't use skipAutoCommit | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | on its addChild calls | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | also, it probably needs to override duplicateBranch | 01:01 |
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| @Haarg | since it is already doing that behavior | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I noticed that, too | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | the copy icon in the asset toolbar now has a dropdown if you have children | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | allowing you to copy only the asset, or the asset and children, or asset and descendants | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and since calendar always copies children, copy only asset does not work | 01:03 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but I don't know why preaction did that in the first place, so I was hesitant to do anything with that | 01:03 |
| @Haarg | it may just be best to remove the extra handling calendar has | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | except the skipAutoCommit you mentioned? | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | no, the default duplicateBranch includes that | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, now I'm officially confused | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | in the 7.6 branch, Calendar's duplicate does not do skip auto commit | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i don't know why it works in 7.6 | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll start by tracing it in 7.5, and then comparing against 7.6 | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | There has to be a good reason for it | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Your unconscious programming skills are quite envious, Haarg :) | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | it's probably the hasBeenCommitted check | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | the newly created parent hasn't been committed | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | so it doesn't get an auto commit workflow | 01:20 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8760 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/Site.pm: redundant line | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that would make sense | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but don't we _want_ it to auto commit? | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is that it's going through a manual commit | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | or do I have it backwards? | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | we don't want it to autocommit | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | because for copy, the commit process is handled elsewhere | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if I backport just hasBeenCommitted and use that, it would fix it | 01:26 |
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| @Haarg | maybe, but i think fixing duplicate would be better | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | fixing/eliminating | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, then let me play it all back | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | well, there's a problem with that, too | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if we eliminate duplicate, then in the Asset Manager when you copy a calendar, it won't copy all the events like it does now | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm cool with that, as long as y'all are okay with the new behavior | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | for now keeping the existing behaviour is probably better | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so in 7.5, I'll just add the skipAutoCommit | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and in 7.6...? | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | nuke dupe? | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | that seems ok | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | also, i think calendar (7.5) should have a duplicateBranch method | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | what does it need to override in the one from AssetVersioning? | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, AssetBranch | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | the one is AssetBranch duplicates children | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | since duplicate already will be doing that | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | duplicateBranch should not | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | That seems backwards to me. | 01:33 |
| @preaction | I HATE THE CALENDAR | 01:33 |
| @preaction | i just thought i should mention | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | how so? | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | in 7.6, we're eliminating duplicate, so it isn't an issue anymore | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | In a perfect world, duplicate branch would copy children, and duplicate would only duplicate the calendar. | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | which is what we want to do in 7.6 | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but didn't you just say that in 7.5, duplicate branch should _not_ duplicate events? | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | no | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | (03:31:59 PM) Haarg: duplicateBranch should not | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm probably taking that out of context | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | in 7.5, Calendar::duplicateBranch should not duplicate children itself | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | it should just let duplicate copy the children | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes more sense | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for straightening me out | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it safe to commit, Haarg? | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | yes | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | i'm working on test failures | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | we haven't had any automated smoke tests in two days. | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want some help with the tests? | 01:46 |
| @preaction | it's been more than two days | 01:47 |
| @preaction | the SVN version is broken for some unknown reason | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, but the stable branch was working up until the 30th of November | 01:47 |
| @preaction | now that's not working either? god... | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | testing has high costs in maintenance | 01:48 |
| @Haarg | i think i have the tests basically dealt with | 01:49 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8761 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix duplicate handling by the Calendar. | 01:50 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer, do you have 7.6 checked out? | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I have an up to date copy from SVN. Is that what you mean? | 01:51 |
| @rizen | yeah | 01:51 |
| @rizen | go to the admin console | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | let me switch over to 7.6 form 7.5 | 01:51 |
| @rizen | is it hosed for you? | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Admin console in the admin bar is okay | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | admin console from an operation, however, looks messed up | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm missing the admin bbar | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but from other places it looks fine, like from User | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | groups is okay | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | so offhand I'd say it's just the AssetManager and admin console/admin bar together | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, Calendar buttoned up in both branches. | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, do you have more 7.6 questions? | 02:07 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8762 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:19 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix Calendar copy behavior. By default, duplicate will only copy | 02:19 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: the Calendar. duplicateBranch must be called to copy it _and_ its | 02:19 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: children. | 02:19 |
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| @rizen | sorry pd, had to take care of some stuff quick | 02:30 |
| @rizen | for me, the admin console wrapper is fubarred everywhere | 02:31 |
| @rizen | almost like the css is missing | 02:31 |
| @rizen | actually, it's a js error: | 02:31 |
| @rizen | Can't find variable: initAdminConsole | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | let me double check that I'm up to date | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yep, fully up at 8762 | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, I'm about 10 minutes away from a bugfix for Tavis. Let me wrap it up and I'll help look at the adminConsole. | 02:34 |
| @rizen | you don' t need to i was just trying to see if it's a local thing or not | 02:35 |
| @rizen | if you're not seeing the problem, then it must be on my box | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | which workflow should collateral uploaded through the RTE image manager use | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | should it be autocommitted? | 02:38 |
| @Haarg | should be the same as anywhere else i would think | 02:38 |
| @Haarg | i'm doing the 7.6.5 release right now btw | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm working in 7.5, I'll hold off forward porting 'til you're clear | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | right now the image manager does an addChild, but no kind of commit processing | 02:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8763 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm t/Form/Textarea.t): | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: use proper method of formatting text for display in Textarea form | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: control | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8764 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ (Form.pm ErrorHandler.pm): Make sure SQL parameters are stringified (for overloaded entries) before converting to json for debug output | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8765 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: FormValidator doesn't need to handle defaults, the Forms API already does that | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8766 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: filtering of rich text areas very slow for large content | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8767 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: international characters are corrupted on export | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8768 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Search/Index.pm: don't need to decode content before indexing it, it's already decoded | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8769 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): removing WSClient | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8770 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: fix some POD errors | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8771 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/File.t lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Macro/Thumbnail.t): some fixes after Storage and Storage::Image merge | 02:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8772 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.5 release | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | The WSClient is dead? | 02:46 |
| @Haarg | we aren't supporting it anymore | 02:47 |
| @Haarg | it'll get its own repo like SQL Form | 02:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | what to do with WSClient bugs in the tracker? | 02:52 |
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| @Haarg | well, if we can fix them in 7.5 that would be nice | 03:04 |
| @Haarg | but it is so painful to work with that i'd consider them very low priority | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 03:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8773 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (findSites.pl createSitesForServer.pl): bringing sites from servers into automat | 03:14 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8775 /experimental/use-at-own-risk.txt: use at your own risk | 03:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: Did you find out what's up with Admin Console on your box? | 05:05 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8777 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.t: Add wide character JSON encoding test. | 05:06 |
| @preaction | would a report that only gets updated by a workflow activity be a useful thing? | 05:10 |
| @preaction | so the user could navigate the report, but the data inside it is only updated by a workflow activity at a certain schedule (configured in the asset) | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Is this a DataForm feature? | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, DataTable | 05:15 |
| @preaction | no, this would be added to the Report framework | 05:17 |
| @preaction | which is... damnit... kind of similar to the DataTable | 05:18 |
| @preaction | no, it's not. DataTable is for DataSources, which may be mutable | 05:33 |
| @preaction | Report is for immutable data | 05:33 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8778 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (321 files in 56 dirs): | 05:33 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Merge branch '7.6.5-beta' into flux | 05:33 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Conflicts: | 05:33 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm | 05:33 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: i think you broke plainblack.com | 05:50 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:50 |
| @preaction | i don't know if it was him, the extra head tags are indeed there | 05:50 |
| @rizen | huh? | 05:51 |
| @rizen | i'm talking about style templates | 05:51 |
| @rizen | and technically, it's not him that broke it | 05:51 |
| @rizen | but rather steve, for designing the site like that | 05:51 |
| @preaction | oh, i was trying to figure out why the SWFObject script was erroring, i suppose i never actually looked at the HTML being spit out | 05:52 |
| @rizen | but that means that when we push this upgrade out to the public we should try to "fix" their borked templates for them | 05:52 |
| @rizen | that is, if this is indeed the error | 05:53 |
| @preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/home/homepage?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets <- this has some Extra <head> elements, but they aren't in the HTML being generated | 05:56 |
| @rizen | ah well that would do it | 05:56 |
| @rizen | i'm also restoring an old copy of the pb database | 05:56 |
| @rizen | to see if there are any style templates that have a headblock with something in it | 05:57 |
| @rizen | boom | 06:03 |
| @rizen | you are a genius | 06:03 |
| @preaction | but what was the fix? i can't find anywhere these things were supposed to get included in any way | 06:03 |
| @preaction | nm, i see it now | 06:05 |
| @rizen | the worst part about it is that i think i may have inadvertantly told him to remove that line | 06:07 |
| @rizen | because i didn't understand what he was asking me | 06:08 |
| @rizen | anyway...all better. back to watching WALL-E | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | woe is me | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | what do we need to do to fix the code, preaction and rizen? | 06:13 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: i believe it's all fixied now | 06:14 |
| @preaction | i removed the two instances from processStyle, and JT added it back to prepareView | 06:14 |
| SDuensin | Do you people ever sleep? | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | sleep? | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction can't sleep, it's in his contract | 06:15 |
| SDuensin | Yea. It's the dark part between bugs. | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and I've got a business to launch, so I'm trying to stay busy | 06:15 |
| @preaction | i've been there ... once... | 06:15 |
| SDuensin | Me too, bud. I hear that. | 06:15 |
| @preaction | there were people talking | 06:15 |
| @preaction | i didn't like them | 06:15 |
| SDuensin | preaction needs to sleep. I'm going to bug him tomorrow. :-) | 06:16 |
| @preaction | oh no, i'll be up bright and squirrelly in meetings | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: with those code changes, will other views also get extraHeadTags? | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | or only view? | 06:17 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: okay... how did this EVER work before? | 06:17 |
| SDuensin | Well, I'm going to bed. This PB stuff is stressing me out. I need my beauty rest so I can do a good job tomorrow. Unlike today. | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, good night. Hack on tomorrow. | 06:18 |
| SDuensin | I will. I'm still super-excited to get to do this! | 06:18 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8779 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: readded a line that i think i accidentally told colin to remove | 06:19 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: doug * r8780 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): cleaning up the rest of the extra head tags | 06:19 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: doug * r8781 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): dum dum dum dum dum | 06:19 |
| @preaction | but doesn't this mean that they'll get added twice by view? | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | possibly | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fire it up and check | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, it comes out twice | 06:27 |
| @preaction | yay! | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Do we fix it tonight, or tomorrow? | 06:38 |
| * perlDreamer votes for tomorrow, when fingers are fresh and heads are not befuddled | 06:39 | |
| @preaction | yes, tomorrow | 06:40 |
| @preaction | when testing can be written so this little mishap doesn't hap again | 06:40 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8782 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 07:12 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Make copy use safe references. | 07:12 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add tests for remove, and copy. | 07:12 |
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| wgGuest71 | Hi All | 12:43 |
| wgGuest71 | hope someone here can help me | 12:43 |
| wgGuest71 | embedding perl in pages - tried the MasonScript - seems to be a bit outdated | 12:44 |
| wgGuest71 | anyone had any luck with this | 12:44 |
| wgGuest71 | just need to be guided in the right direction | 12:44 |
| BartJol | sorry, I can't help you | 12:45 |
| wgGuest71 | no prob | 12:48 |
| wgGuest71 | tx for reply | 12:48 |
| BartJol | most people here live in the US and willl wake up in three to 4 hours | 12:50 |
| BartJol | so you might wanna try again later | 12:50 |
| wgGuest71 | much appreciated, Ill do that | 12:50 |
| BartJol | glad to be some sort of help | 12:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8783 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: matrix bugfixes and code improvements | 13:09 |
| wgGuest71 | another question if I may, I went to the bazaar, and wanted to buy the latest version of ruling webui, but I don't see it there. Am I looking at old forums? Does this manual still exist? | 13:23 |
| wgGuest71 | not bazaar I mean this link https://www.plainblack.com/store/ | 13:29 |
| wgGuest71 | should I be looking at the developers guide? | 13:30 |
| BartJol | wgGuest71: well you have the primer that you can download | 13:52 |
| BartJol | but for more explanation of programming and the use of the api, the developers guide is the thing | 13:52 |
| BartJol | so it depends on what you wana do | 13:54 |
| wgGuest71 | gone through that, want to get more into the nitty gritty, and in the forums ruling Webgui was mentioned, the manual I got is for 5.4 though, do not sure if that has changed | 13:55 |
| BartJol | if you have a 7.x version, you can consider ruling WebGUI as obsolete | 13:55 |
| BartJol | there has been many changes | 13:56 |
| BartJol | I think that the content managers guide is most similar to ruling WebGUI | 13:56 |
| wgGuest71 | awesome, so a purchase of the content guide and the developers guide will be most valuable. | 14:26 |
| wgGuest71 | once again, thanx for the info | 14:26 |
| BartJol | That's my opinion, but as long your not a designer, those two boomks should do the trick | 14:28 |
| wgGuest71 | tx | 14:28 |
| BartJol | np | 14:29 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8784 /branch/yung-thingy-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added rfe #w9099: Thingy field-copy function | 15:10 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r8785 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: #8775: Miscount in number of replies in CS Thread. | 17:05 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | Greasings! | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | No, no greasing yet. Not made it to McDonalds. | 17:08 |
| BartJol | I understood that all american food is greasy | 17:08 |
| SDuensin | Not all. Just the good stuff. :-) | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | when you fix something for 7.5.35 and then forward port it to 7.6 does it have to be in both the 7.3.35 and 7.6 changelog? | 17:19 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease: no, just the 7.5 changelog | 17:24 |
| @preaction | i believe we'll merge the changelogs when 7.6 goes stable | 17:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: ack, I've been putting everything in both changelogs. Oh well. | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, makes sense | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess it would look weird to see the same bug fixed twice | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | very back to the future | 17:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd like to point out that BartJol should be voiced because he's PBWG. | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Also, famous, talented, good looking and generous. | 18:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r8786 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merging fixed #8775: Miscount in number of replies in CS Thread. | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and, should Koen get out of control, he's "our last, best hope". | 18:06 |
| * SDuensin just started watching B5. Very timely. | 18:07 | |
| BartJol | perlDreamer: uh? | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | just blush and accept the compliment, dude | 18:11 |
| BartJol | ok, thanks | 18:12 |
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| SDuensin | preaction / Haarg - When one of you has some time, I need a bit of guidance. | 18:15 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: sup? | 18:15 |
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| @preaction | BartJol: rejoin the channel please? | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | I got your mail last night (dunno WTF happened before). Basically you need the old thing ported to the new thing? | 18:16 |
| BartJol | preaction: why? | 18:17 |
| BartJol | I'm here | 18:17 |
| @preaction | BartJol: so that the server can auto-voice you and i can see that it works correctly | 18:17 |
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| @preaction | er... | 18:17 |
| @preaction | breathless anticipation! | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | preaction: it worked | 18:19 |
| @preaction | yay! | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | welcome to the big boys bart | 18:20 |
| +bartjol | joohooo! | 18:21 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 18:21 |
| +bartjol | dec 2008 is my nonth for WebGUI it seems | 18:21 |
| +bartjol | and that while I just messed up a upgrade process, so Koen had to stay longer than he wanted... | 18:22 |
| +bartjol | or is bugging Koen considered positive? | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure why not | 18:25 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: ernesto * r8787 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 18:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: * Make WebGUI work with any kind of LDAP URI (ldap, ldaps and ldapi). | 18:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: The fix consists on making every connection use the URI _without_ the base. | 18:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: This requires rebuilding the URI parameters using scheme, host and port as | 18:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: taken from the original URI stored in WebGUI's or User Preferences, | 18:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: passing it as_string() to Net::LDAP->new(), and stripping any other | 18:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: parameter to the constructor. | 18:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | time to go | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 19:00 |
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| +bartjol | bye from me too | 19:02 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, explain this one. I was working on a little Nokia 800 tablet last night. Somehow, I hurt my pinkie! It *still* hurts like hell! Capital letters are painful! | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | It's all that java typing with no sigils | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | It's weakened your sinews | 19:13 |
| SDuensin | Apparently. | 19:13 |
| SDuensin | Seriously. It hurts like hell. | 19:14 |
| SDuensin | I need one of those foot pedal shift key things. | 19:14 |
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| rjacobsen | good afternoon all | 19:24 |
| SDuensin | hey | 19:24 |
| rjacobsen | I was wondering if maybe there were some scripts available to where I could use the script to import a package to multiple sites within webgui and one to delete multiple assets in webgui | 19:25 |
| rjacobsen | uploading packages to 50+ websites is taking forever..... | 19:26 |
| SDuensin | Sounds like something that'd be handy. Don't know of such a beast though. | 19:26 |
| rjacobsen | it would be awesome | 19:27 |
| rjacobsen | how much would I have to pay for someone to write me such a script? | 19:27 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8788 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: fixed search | 19:27 |
| rjacobsen | guess no one wants to make any money :( | 19:31 |
| SDuensin | Hehe | 19:32 |
| @preaction | rjacobsen: if you want a quote from plainblack, send an e-mail to sales@plainblack.com | 19:32 |
| rjacobsen | well is there not such a script available? | 19:32 |
| @preaction | rjacobsen: alternatively, fill out this form: https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/development/portfolio/quote | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen, no there isn't | 19:32 |
| rjacobsen | gotcha | 19:33 |
| rjacobsen | ok then | 19:33 |
| @preaction | rjacobsen: you can look in the https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools section, i think the packages one might be there | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it is | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | does demo.webgui.org have several hosts on the same ip, or is it clustered? | 19:46 |
| @preaction | several hosts on the same IP | 19:47 |
| @preaction | demo.webgui.org is plainblack.com afaik | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm working on Tavis's RTE upload problem. The problem is that it sometimes grabs a different site cookie with the same IP. That gives it a different session, and therefore scratch vars and version tag. | 19:47 |
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| @preaction | uh... so it's a site configuration problem? | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so. The only way I can duplicate it is to access my dev site via an IP address, versus the site's name | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | this bug could go all the way back into apache, or mod_perl, or site config | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll make sure the HTTP environment vars are the same for all requests | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I found the bug and it's not Apache or mod_perl | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm still confused | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Form::HTMLArea used $session->url->getSiteName to get the name of the site | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | accessing it by IP address isn't in the list of sitenames, so it uses the first sitename | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a different site from the original, so you get a new session | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | (via a different cookie) | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but that doesn't fully explain the demo site yet | 19:58 |
| @preaction | perhaps something to do with gateways and using multiple demo sites at the same time? | 19:58 |
| @preaction | the cookie is named the same, and maybe it's only linked to the domain and not the path? | 19:58 |
| @Haarg | demo.webgui.org is on cold | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds right, preaction. But then I'd expect it to be random. And this is very, very repeatable. | 20:00 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, what are the steps to reproduce this? | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Log in as admin | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Edit anything with an HTMLarea | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Hit the Insert WebGUI Image button | 20:04 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8789 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): reverting 8787 due to compile errors | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | upload an image | 20:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hit the select button next to the image | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | In the thumbnail error, you will see the string ERROR | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | If you leave the edit screen, you'll see that a version tag was created | 20:05 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 20:05 |
| @Haarg | i'm not seeing an error | 20:05 |
| @Haarg | on a demo site | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I've done it on several demo sites over the last few days | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and, I can do it on a dev site, if you access it via IP address rather than site name | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's tied to a particular browser? | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | this is the demo site I'm using now: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1228325826_275/home/welcome?func=edit | 20:07 |
| @Haarg | i see | 20:07 |
| @Haarg | it works on demo.webgui.org | 20:07 |
| @Haarg | but not on demo.plainblack.com | 20:07 |
| @Haarg | i could fix this on the server side probably | 20:11 |
| @Haarg | i'm just not certain if that is the best fix | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | There's an alternate fix, I think. I just can't try it on a demo server | 20:11 |
| @Haarg | it should probably be adjusted to use urls that are relative to / instead of having the full url | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Inside Form/HTMLArea, I took out the getSiteUrl part of the image url | 20:11 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll commit that | 20:12 |
| @Haarg | it's just an issue with having two different domains for one site | 20:12 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8790 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): have imageTree use relative urls to handle sites with multiple sitenames | 20:31 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8791 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): | 20:31 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Remove 7.5.34 changelog that snuck into the 7.6 branch. | 20:31 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Forward port imageTree thumbnail relative url fix for sites with multiple hostnames | 20:31 |
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| SquOnk | Hi | 20:49 |
| @preaction | hello there | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | I saw my patch 8787 to 7.5 reverted because of compilation errors. I wonder what those compilation errors are, since I'm not seeing them. | 20:50 |
| SquOnk | (The patch is in production in my servers since monday, that's why I'm curious) | 20:50 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: you reverted that patch, can you fill in? | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | All my logs are wiped. I do that when working on bugs to keep the paging down | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll merge that patch back in later today, and try to recreate it | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember missing my's, and issues like that | 20:52 |
| @preaction | i'll run the syntax_check.t against that revision | 20:52 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Please do, and let me know what's wrong. As I said, this patch is in production with no errors or warnings at all. | 20:53 |
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| wgGuest15 | Hi All, I had a question earlier about embedding perl in an html page layout in webgui. I tried using MasonScript to no evail. It seems a bit out-dated, can anyone steer me in the right direction? | 20:55 |
| wgGuest15 | your response is much appreciated in advance | 20:56 |
| @preaction | SquOnk, perlDreamer: looks like syntaxCheck.t passes | 20:57 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8792 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: better linking between objects | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, I owe you an apology then | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Would you like me to add the patch back in? | 20:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, please. | 20:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...so it makes it into the next release. | 20:58 |
| @preaction | wgGuest15: firstly i would not suggest what you're trying. secondly, look for PerlOutputFilterHandler maybe? | 20:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hold on. | 21:00 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: JT wrote an e-mail to me. And he's right about me not being aware of the feature freeze, so I guess the patch should not be committed yet. I need to do a better job :-) | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, it's probably just a matter of timing. | 21:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It always is :-) | 21:01 |
| wgGuest15 | preaction:Tx for the response, why would you advice against using the method (embedding)? I will do a bit more reading on what you have recommended | 21:02 |
| @preaction | wgGuest15: because putting Perl code in that layer opens up a whole bunch of security holes | 21:02 |
| @preaction | wgGuest15: you could try making a new template plugin for mason, that might work better and be more secure | 21:02 |
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| apeiron | Well, you *could* switch over to the TT plugin and use its PERL directive.... but not advisable regardless. | 21:05 |
| @preaction | that might be better than anything i've yet suggested | 21:06 |
| wgGuest15 | preaction:I agree that would be the best approach. However, I am pressed for time at the moment (aren't we all these days) and have a deadline to meet. | 21:06 |
| Petruchio | Hey, anyone here work for Plain Black? | 21:07 |
| @preaction | Petruchio: all the ops here | 21:07 |
| Petruchio | Ah. | 21:07 |
| wgGuest15 | Let me look into the TT plugin, thanx for the assistance. | 21:07 |
| wgGuest15 | btw, Great product, really like what I have seen so far | 21:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | In the rich editor, enabling the buttons in the toolbars is sometimes not enough to enable functionality. | 21:14 |
| @preaction | that's... kinda weird | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | For example, you may also have to update the Valid Elements property for the rich text editor | 21:14 |
| @preaction | hate the tinymce. i want to go to the YUI one | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8774 | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking about just updating the hover help for the toolbars sections | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm wondering if instead I should change the default forum editor to allow all elements let the toolbar control what's going on | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | any suggestions from the PB crew? | 21:15 |
| @preaction | i think just updating the help and docs | 21:17 |
| @preaction | or... what if enabling the button would also add (using a bit of client-side scripting) the element(s) to the list of enabled elements? | 21:17 |
| @preaction | perhaps with a small pop-up warning saying "oh, btw, i just did this" | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like more than I want to do in 7.5 | 21:18 |
| @preaction | not sure i like the idea, seems overly complicated | 21:18 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | We're under three pages of bugs now | 21:32 |
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| WebGUI | hi there | 21:35 |
| ckotil | Any plan to allow multiple groups be allowed to view/edit an asset? without doing groups of groups | 21:35 |
| @preaction | ckotil: patspam has been working on a thing called "Flux" that might handle what you want. otherwise there's no plan for it yet. perhaps an RFE for it? | 21:35 |
| ckotil | cool. yeah, might as well | 21:36 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8793 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 21:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Note that adding an RTE toolbar button does not guarantee that | 21:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: the functionality it provides will work. The Valid Elements | 21:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: property also needs to be updated. | 21:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8794 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update RTE docs for adding toolbar buttons AND Valid Elements | 21:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | snapcount, for your WSClient patch, what do you want the attribution to be in the change log? | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Roy Johnson, ExploreOS? | 23:56 |
| +snapcount | huh? | 23:59 |
| +snapcount | oh | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Thu Dec 04 2008 | ||
| +snapcount | actually HD Publishing Group, Inc. | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | since you provided a patch | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | will do | 00:00 |
| +snapcount | or Death, Inc. | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | not Guitar Hero Wannabe's of Florida ? | 00:00 |
| +snapcount | hahah | 00:00 |
| +snapcount | I have not given up on our plot to take over all of the nation's Papa Johns | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | with the new Shop, it will be easier | 00:01 |
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| +snapcount | thanks for getting that in Colin, I appreciate it | 00:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I won't miss the WSClient, but I'm glad you find it useful. | 00:04 |
| +snapcount | we have a little SOAP service that returns sales statistics | 00:04 |
| +snapcount | and we use it in the footer of our intranet to show everyone how we're doing for the day | 00:04 |
| @preaction | my question is, we're getting rid of it, sure, but can it be fixed at all? | 00:06 |
| @preaction | i mean, is it possible, given the scope of the thing? | 00:06 |
| +snapcount | well it works for our specific instance with that patch | 00:07 |
| +snapcount | it probably won't work for anything else though lol | 00:07 |
| +snapcount | perlDreamer I'm coming to OSCon this year | 00:07 |
| +snapcount | and the WUC | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. I wish I could | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | OSCON, that is | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's in California in 2009 | 00:08 |
| +snapcount | yeah that's still close man | 00:08 |
| +snapcount | =) | 00:08 |
| +snapcount | road trip! | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll see how perlDreamer does this year in business | 00:08 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8795 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): patch to stop WSClient from dying if there is no data to show | 00:24 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8796 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: international characters are corrupted on export | 00:24 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8797 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: filtering of rich text areas very slow for large content | 00:24 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8798 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: FormValidator doesn't need to handle defaults, the Forms API already does that | 00:24 |
| +snapcount | so is using && not PBP or is that one of them numerical -vs- string operator deals perlDreamer? | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I was lazy and my fingers typed and | 00:36 |
| +snapcount | oh ok haha | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't download and apply the patch | 00:36 |
| +snapcount | I don't get to program as much anymore | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a bummer | 00:36 |
| +snapcount | wanted to make sure I'm not slacking on my Perl =) | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm programming a lot, so it probably balances out | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | why doesn't mysql like `users.userId` ? | 00:37 |
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| apeiron | snapcount, && , and are different, to be used in different cases. They differ in terms of predence, meaning that expressions bound to && are evaluated first. | 00:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: would it be very bad to have the Asset Aspect comment text area use WebGUI::HTML::format so that newlines are obeyed, and other unsafe characters are commented out? | 00:45 |
| @rizen | no, i thought i made it do that | 00:45 |
| @rizen | go ahead | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks :) | 00:46 |
| @rizen | not on save though...on display | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | right, only on display | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I've never looked in the Aspect code before. It's very clean. | 00:59 |
| Mech422 | *yawn* morning all | 01:01 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: I'm finally getting back to work after the holidays, and had a question.. | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | ask away, Mech422 | 01:02 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: I need to make a change so that editing a user profile fires a work flow event.. | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember this talk... | 01:03 |
| Mech422 | and preaction mentioned there was some code in place already to fire an event when the admin made changes | 01:03 |
| Mech422 | right... | 01:03 |
| Mech422 | so I'm looking in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account | 01:03 |
| Mech422 | but I don't see anything in Profile.pm or User.pm that appears to check for admin priviledges or fire an event ? | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be (or was in) Operation/User.pm | 01:04 |
| Mech422 | what does 'event firing code' look like in webgui ? ($self->event->first('update') ? Ahh... i'm looking in the wrong spot.... | 01:04 |
| @rizen | thanks for the compliment perlDreamer | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | in WebGUI, most forms are two parts | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | www_{action} | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and www_{actionSave} | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the second that you're looking for in Operation/User.pm | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | www_editUserSave | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | look around lines 516 | 01:06 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: yeah - I saw code like that in Account.pm and User.pm... I thought those were the ones | 01:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8799 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make UserList handle profile fields with spaces in their field names | 01:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8800 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting UserList profile field name bug fix | 01:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8801 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Comments.pm): Have AssetAspect comment format its content as HTML, not text. | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | there's workflow code for a new user, and an existing user | 01:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8802 /experimental/Automat/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm sbin/getmaildomains.pl): script to link everyone.net mail servers to automat sites | 01:06 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: oh - Operation/User.pm is deprecated... | 01:07 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: it says to use Account::Profile instead | 01:07 |
| Mech422 | stupid irc client... make that Account: : Profile | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but that's where to find the code that you're looking for | 01:07 |
| @rizen | you may need to talk to khenn about that...he may have forgotten to put the triggers back in when i was rewriting all the account stuff | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | then you can add that to Account::Profile to do what you wish | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the triggers are still in there | 01:08 |
| @rizen | ok | 01:08 |
| @rizen | nevermind then | 01:08 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: ahh - ok | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | line 516 | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and I don't see any deprecation notices in Operation/User.pm | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | where are they? | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta run a quick errand, I should be back in 30 minutes or so | 01:09 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: got it... sweet :-) .. Thanks :-) | 01:09 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: sorry - it was profile.pm that was deprecated | 01:10 |
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| Mech422 | (my up-arrow (command recall) nabbed the wrong file :-P ) | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | back | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | THINGY SUCKS | 01:32 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: eh? I thought thingy was the new 'golden boy' webgui plugin ? | 01:33 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: btw - I think I found a small bug with this event code | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | oh? Cool! Do share. | 01:33 |
| Mech422 | perldreamer: in user.pm line 516+/- its firing the runOnAdminCreateUser and runOnAdminUpdateUser events | 01:34 |
| Mech422 | thing is - it might not be the Admin thats doing the updates | 01:35 |
| Mech422 | its actually just anyone for which CanEdit($session) is true | 01:35 |
| Mech422 | (or canAdd($session) is true ) | 01:36 |
| Mech422 | so user 'steve' editing 'steve's user profile would fire the runOnAdminUpdateUser event ? | 01:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Mech422, that's actually by design | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | there are several groups of people who can edit users through the admin interface | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | just check out the canAdd and canEdit methods for the details on it | 01:43 |
| Mech422 | ahh - in that case - I don't need to do anything | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it should be fine | 01:43 |
| Mech422 | I can just add a workflow on the runOnAdminUpdateUser event | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | No. | 01:43 |
| Mech422 | and it will get fired even if 'steve' modifies 'steve's profile ? | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | When Steve modifies his own profile, it comes out of Account/Profile.pm | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the code in Operation/User.pm is for Admins only | 01:44 |
| Mech422 | ahh.. | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | so you need to build in a trigger for Account/Profile.pm | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and then you'd also add a new setting in Operation/Setting | 01:44 |
| Mech422 | ok - so should I create a new 'event' in Profile.pm or just use runOnAdminUpdateUser ? | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | to allow admins to choose which workflow is run | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow::Instance->create({})->start is the "event" | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | now you have to tell it what data to run | 01:45 |
| Mech422 | ok - I see the @fields stuff for 'workflow' in settings.. | 01:48 |
| Mech422 | I can just add an arbitrary key ( name => 'runOnUpdateUser') there, or is there some 'schema' somewhere that needs it as well ? | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | to add a new setting, use the settings sub object in $session | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->setting->add(name, defaultValue); | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | then, you can add code to Operation/Settings to handle the UI for it | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, hold on a second | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Account plugins can have their own edit screens | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be better to add the UI code in Account/Profile.pm | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so, to review. | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Build an update-type script that adds the setting to the db | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2) Modify Account/Profile to add the UI to pick the workflow | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | 3) Modify Account/Profile to add the firing code inside www_editSave, if there are no errors | 01:54 |
| Mech422 | Hmm ... | 01:57 |
| Mech422 | this whole db thing is gonna take some getting used to | 01:58 |
| Mech422 | Do you have some sort of deployment script you use for making sure you don't forget to run lil one-off scripts like this when you deploy a live site ? | 01:59 |
| Mech422 | or do people just dump and restore the DB when they migrate/deploy a site ? | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, see docs/upgrades/upgrade_v1_v2.pl | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | also, I'm sure that rizen and crew have provisioning scripts for handling custom code along with merging in new code from the core. | 02:05 |
| @rizen | mech422 what do you mean "migrate" / "deploy" a site? | 02:06 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: its nice there's an update skeleton in that dir :-) | 02:07 |
| Mech422 | rizen: we generally build sites on a 'dev' server, and deploy the finished sites on a seperate production server | 02:08 |
| @rizen | interesting | 02:08 |
| @rizen | when you say "build" are we talking site content, or code | 02:08 |
| Mech422 | rizen: also, if we update a site (other then trivial css type changes) | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: did you fix this bug already? | 02:09 |
| Mech422 | we pull the site back from the production server to a 'dev' server | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/thingy-next-page-broken-on-initial-page | 02:09 |
| Mech422 | rizen: typically - both... | 02:09 |
| @rizen | Mech422: with webgui i wouldn't recommend using your old model | 02:09 |
| Mech422 | rizen: mostly its for the code, skinning etc | 02:09 |
| @rizen | do all content on the production server all the time | 02:09 |
| @rizen | templates are content as far as webgui is concerned | 02:09 |
| @rizen | that's why there is a versioning system | 02:10 |
| Mech422 | rizen: but that generally requires getting some content in just to see how stuff looks/works/etc | 02:10 |
| @rizen | again, that's why there's a versioning system | 02:10 |
| @rizen | the problem you'll have if you do what you're saying | 02:10 |
| @rizen | on anything other than a brochureware site | 02:10 |
| @rizen | is syncing content that gets updated on prod | 02:10 |
| @rizen | to your dev server | 02:10 |
| @rizen | and back | 02:10 |
| @rizen | like forums | 02:10 |
| @rizen | wiki pages | 02:10 |
| @rizen | poll results | 02:10 |
| @rizen | etc | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | user profile data | 02:11 |
| Mech422 | oh yeah - thats a given | 02:11 |
| @rizen | that's why you should do all content changes *only* on the production server | 02:11 |
| Mech422 | you don't expect the dev server to stay in sync if your updating a 'live' site | 02:11 |
| @rizen | now, if you do have something you want to change on a dev server, make a package from the production server | 02:11 |
| @rizen | deploy it on dev | 02:11 |
| @rizen | edit | 02:11 |
| @rizen | export from dev | 02:11 |
| @rizen | and import back into prod | 02:11 |
| @rizen | but you shouldn't often need to do that | 02:12 |
| @rizen | as far as code changes are concerned...absolutely you should use a dev server | 02:12 |
| Mech422 | could I update a production site with these user profile changes using that method ? | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 02:12 |
| @rizen | no | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | only content is versioned | 02:12 |
| @rizen | user accounts and profiles aren't versioned | 02:12 |
| @rizen | and therefore isn't packagable | 02:12 |
| @rizen | you can only package assets | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | but you could apply code patches from your dev site to the production site. | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but not data, just like rizen said | 02:13 |
| Mech422 | right - or VCS | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 02:13 |
| @rizen | we absolutely do sync prod sites down to dev servers so that we can test on "real" data | 02:13 |
| @rizen | and in those cases, we just take a backup file (created by the wre) and restore it on the dev server | 02:14 |
| @rizen | but we only use dev servers for code changes | 02:14 |
| @rizen | testing out content migration processes | 02:14 |
| @rizen | new plugins | 02:14 |
| @rizen | etc | 02:14 |
| Mech422 | I'll have to work this out in more detail as I go along... yeah, I don't expect to deal with content that way | 02:15 |
| Mech422 | I just meant we end up with some 'testing' content on the dev. boxes | 02:16 |
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| Mech422 | I basically need to come up with a quick and easy way to migrate site code bases from one place to another - sounds like a vcs system plus 'install' script would be the way to go | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:18 |
| Mech422 | so I can hg clone myclientsite ; cd myclientsite ; ./setup_webgui ; echo "done - go get lunch" :-) | 02:18 |
| Mech422 | anyway - gotta add this bit of fluff in before I worry about that | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, does the Dev Guide talk about handling custom code? | 02:22 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: not from what I could see.... (as a newb ) | 02:23 |
| @rizen | i don't think so | 02:23 |
| @rizen | i mean it talks about how to create it | 02:23 |
| @rizen | but not how to manage it | 02:23 |
| @rizen | Mech422 what we do is check out our custom code into a folder in /data | 02:23 |
| @rizen | like /data/Automat | 02:23 |
| @rizen | then we add /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom | 02:24 |
| @rizen | we put that folder in there | 02:24 |
| @rizen | so it loads in the code | 02:24 |
| @rizen | but is not mixed in with WebGUI | 02:24 |
| @rizen | and is still attached to the version control system | 02:24 |
| Mech422 | that makes sense | 02:24 |
| @rizen | so we can just do "cd /data/Automat; svn update" | 02:24 |
| @rizen | and yes, we write install / upgrade scripts for those | 02:25 |
| Mech422 | and then I could keep my 'install' script in there - to do whatever db updates are necessary for the custom code | 02:25 |
| @rizen | they are usually in /data/Automat/sbin | 02:25 |
| @rizen | for example | 02:25 |
| @rizen | exactly | 02:25 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: you're right, i should write a chapter on that | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | it will give you something to write this year, before the WUC | 02:26 |
| @rizen | yeah, i want to put out new versions of all our books before the wuc this year | 02:27 |
| @rizen | or rather, release them at the WUC | 02:27 |
| @rizen | we're already working on the next design guide | 02:27 |
| @rizen | and kristi will be putting out the 7.6 version of the CM guide in february | 02:28 |
| @rizen | and the 7.7 version at the WUC | 02:28 |
| @rizen | but the commerce, dev, and admin guides should all be updated for the wuc as well | 02:29 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: ping | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | arrrgh! | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | User profiling is broken. | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | It doesn't handle spaces in the field names | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't tell you if you duplicate a field | 02:44 |
| @rizen | blame Haarg. he's not here to defend himself | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | khenn is my usual go to guy. | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | He always makes me eat my words :) | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and he did do the last profile related work with Account | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | so even though the bugs are in 7.5, he must be responsible for the | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | m | 03:02 |
| @rizen | true, but he can actually defend himself | 03:02 |
| @rizen | though i never tell him that | 03:02 |
| @rizen | pretty much every conversation i have with him ends with him saying "i hate you" | 03:03 |
| @rizen | but in a good way | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | hate is only orthogonal to love, not an full opposite | 03:03 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8803 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: | 03:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Survey bug fix - showProgress, showTimeLimit and timeLimit should not be | 03:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: stored at the response level (they are global to asset instance) | 03:06 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: questionsOnSectionPage, everyPageText and everyPageTitle work as | 03:32 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: expected. | 03:32 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8805 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Cherry-picked latest Survey bug fixes from master | 03:32 |
| @khenn | I don't accept blame for anything | 04:11 |
| @khenn | it's all rizen's fault | 04:11 |
| @preaction | heh, we all know whose fault it really is | 04:51 |
| @preaction | JAMIE VRBSKY | 04:51 |
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| patspam | does the template syntax highlighter resizer work for anyone in any of the recent betas? | 05:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: pong | 05:03 |
| @preaction | it's ... weird | 05:04 |
| @preaction | you have to click it, then drag mouse, then click to drop it | 05:04 |
| patspam | lol, two of use here just went "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh" | 05:05 |
| patspam | use/us | 05:05 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: hey man | 05:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: word yo | 05:07 |
| patspam | I'm going to change the <font color="red">*</font> for required fields to use CSS so that it can be skinned | 05:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sounds groovy | 05:08 |
| patspam | I was going to ask you something before... oh yeah | 05:09 |
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| patspam | showProgress, showTimeLimit and timeLimit were being stored at the response level, which was kinda confusing if you changed them at the asset level and then wondered why some users who were halfway through a survey didn't see the change | 05:10 |
| patspam | i switched them over to just use $self->get('showProgress') etc.. rather than storing/retrieving at the response level, didn't seem to be any need to have them there | 05:10 |
| patspam | just wanted to check there wasn't some subtle ninja reason for having them stored on a per-response basis | 05:12 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8806 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): | 06:16 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Flagging of invalid Survey fields now uses CSS classes instead of <font> tags | 06:16 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: (for skinnability) | 06:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: I did that so that there wouldn't need to be an additional DB query. | 06:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: I'm not sure why you would change the time limits in the middle of an open survey. And if you did change the time limits, would you want the changes to affect people already in the middle of a survey? Plus you get the extra DB call. | 06:22 |
| patspam | yo | 06:23 |
| patspam | not following on why there would be an extra db query? | 06:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | is the ->get call not hitting the DB? Or are the asset's params loaded into memory upon creation? | 06:26 |
| patspam | yeah i think Asset.pm pulls them all in at once | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, it does appear to do so. cool then, sounds good. | 06:31 |
| patspam | I think I'm going to have to name my first born child git | 06:35 |
| patspam | i just got sent a link to a zoomerang survey, interesting to check out the competition :) | 06:37 |
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| sduensin | Hello -- sorta! | 17:46 |
| npinansky | Is there a specific API i should query to get the status of workflow instances? | 17:51 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: do you know anything about those IRS rebate rules? Is that just a tax writeoff? | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's a tax rebate. | 18:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That will be brilliant then :D | 18:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: What's the part that regulates the AC current from the turbine into 110/220? That's another expensive part I might be able to find cheaper. | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Good question. It may be called an inverter. | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Everything I've done for the past 13 years has been all DC current. | 18:36 |
| nuba | is this some space rocket DIY project youre doing in your garage? | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | No AC or power work. | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | It's one of the reasons I went into microelectronics | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | You can't really get hurt by most 5V sources | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I worked for Freightliner for 6 months. | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I was told once not to touch an insulated stud connected to several large wires | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | When I asked why, I was told there was 300 amps going through it | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it kind of killed my interest in high power applications | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I know it's silly, but I have this thing about fatal electrical burns | 18:37 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym, bbl | 18:38 | |
| nuba | I can simpathize with that | 18:38 |
| sduensin | Gym??? Some geek you are. | 18:38 |
| nuba | not with the gym | 18:38 |
| nuba | sympathize with the high power thing | 18:39 |
| sduensin | Oh yea. I dont play with that crap either. | 18:40 |
| sduensin | This frickin drive upgrade is taking too long... I got code to write! | 18:41 |
| nuba | on the other hand, being close to these things contribute to less dull moments in the job | 18:43 |
| nuba | not to mention internal jokes and pranks like "hey, can you stick this post it there for me, please!" among the staff | 18:43 |
| nuba | pretty lively | 18:44 |
| sduensin | Hehehe | 18:44 |
| nuba | and deadly | 18:44 |
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| sduensin | Well, yea. But as long as its funny. :-) | 18:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nuba: this is for a DIY wind turbine project :) | 18:55 |
| nuba | whoa | 18:55 |
| nuba | impressive | 18:55 |
| nuba | this is surely going to blow people's socks off! :D | 18:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nuba: we'll see. My dad and uncle and I are going in on all the welding supplies, but we've yet to find a good enough deal that we all agree on it. | 18:58 |
| ckotil | Calendar feed updates are giving me lots and lots of version tags. | 19:01 |
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| SDuensin | Back. | 19:15 |
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| sandraqu | hi | 19:27 |
| SDuensin | howdy | 19:27 |
| sandraqu | would someone guide me in using putty to login as a root user via SSH? | 19:27 |
| nuba | in the host field, add the name of the machine or ip address | 19:28 |
| sandraqu | hi sduensin | 19:28 |
| nuba | port is most likely 22 | 19:28 |
| nuba | connect | 19:28 |
| nuba | you'll be asked to confirm the server's key fingerprint | 19:28 |
| nuba | then you'll see a blank term window while putty handshakes the server and gets a connection going | 19:29 |
| nuba | then you'll be asked to provide the username | 19:29 |
| nuba | then the password | 19:29 |
| nuba | and if you do it right | 19:29 |
| nuba | next thing is a shell prompt at the box | 19:30 |
| sandraqu | what if i can't find the root and passwd. i know that sounds sketchy | 19:30 |
| nuba | well, if you have a non-root account there | 19:30 |
| nuba | you can use that account and use sudo, if it was configured for you | 19:30 |
| nuba | by a sysadmin | 19:30 |
| sandraqu | could i get the cmd prompt to list them without being logged in? | 19:30 |
| nuba | of the box | 19:30 |
| nuba | cant get a cmd prompt without valid user account | 19:31 |
| sandraqu | is there a generic user/pass? | 19:31 |
| nuba | get in touch with the box's sysadmin | 19:31 |
| nuba | nope | 19:31 |
| sandraqu | is root usually root? | 19:31 |
| sandraqu | admin? | 19:31 |
| nuba | LOL, no | 19:31 |
| nuba | that'd be a security hole like the meteor crater in arizona | 19:31 |
| nuba | thres no such ting | 19:32 |
| nuba | theres* thing* | 19:32 |
| nuba | contact the box's admin | 19:32 |
| sandraqu | ... | 19:32 |
| sandraqu | nuba, short of calling webGUI, i'm one of the admin's | 19:33 |
| sandraqu | i just dont' use ssh all that often, especially webGui's | 19:33 |
| nuba | oh. well, you should contact the admin who's got the root pwd | 19:34 |
| sandraqu | yes | 19:34 |
| nuba | and ask him to help you get your account going | 19:34 |
| sandraqu | it's a her | 19:35 |
| SDuensin | Hers have passwords, too. | 19:35 |
| sandraqu | :] | 19:35 |
| nuba | be nice to her | 19:35 |
| nuba | ask politely | 19:36 |
| nuba | she might even give you the root pwd | 19:36 |
| nuba | :D | 19:36 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 19:36 |
| sandraqu | alright | 19:36 |
| sandraqu | off i go | 19:36 |
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| nuba | that was funny | 19:36 |
| nuba | needs to improve his social engineering skills, tho | 19:37 |
| SDuensin | Reminds me of the time I got a call from someone on the third floor having problems logging in... In a two story building. | 19:38 |
| nuba | SDuensin: want to know the universal 'Hers' password? | 19:38 |
| nuba | get close to her and whisper '75% OFF' | 19:38 |
| nuba | she'll go mad and overflow | 19:38 |
| nuba | :D | 19:38 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 19:39 |
| SDuensin | Not my wife. She'd be like, "Of what? What are you buying NOW?" :-) | 19:39 |
| nuba | actually thats from a standup comedian, dont remember her name now... | 19:39 |
| nuba | here, wife agreed yesterday to friendly divorce | 19:40 |
| nuba | gotta act swiftly, before she changes her mind.. | 19:41 |
| SDuensin | Sorry to hear that. I think. | 19:41 |
| SDuensin | My wife rocks. (I *do* buy a lot!) | 19:41 |
| nuba | well, it'll be different, but I'm looking forward to it | 19:41 |
| nuba | have for some time now | 19:41 |
| SDuensin | As long as you're happy, I'm happy for you. :-) | 19:42 |
| nuba | we were fragile as a relationship a year ago. then she brought my mother-in-law to live with us. and the rest, they say, is history... | 19:42 |
| SDuensin | Ooo. Yea. I can see how that'd be bad. | 19:42 |
| SDuensin | Actually, I quite like all my wife's family. They're a lot like mine. Got lucky, I guess. | 19:44 |
| nuba | probably | 19:44 |
| nuba | if its working, and fulfilling, I'd say 'stick with it' | 19:44 |
| SDuensin | That's the plan, man. | 19:44 |
| @rizen | i don't even like my own family, let alone my wife's | 19:45 |
| nuba | heh | 19:45 |
| SDuensin | Although, I need to get this laptop back where it belongs before she gets home. :-D | 19:45 |
| SDuensin | rizen lives! | 19:45 |
| @rizen | just every other thursday | 19:45 |
| @rizen | the rest of the time i'm undead | 19:45 |
| SDuensin | Oddly, I believe that. | 19:46 |
| SDuensin | "Never could get the hang of thursdays." | 19:46 |
| nuba | here we had a regular Saturday From Hell | 19:50 |
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| sandraqu | hello again | 19:51 |
| nuba | when everybody would be aroun, and things would crash-n-burn | 19:51 |
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| sandraqu | i'm in. have a bash prompt. i want to install a macro :] | 19:51 |
| sandraqu | do i have to use sudo? | 19:51 |
| nuba | that was fast | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | Depends on a lot of things. | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | Are you in as root? | 19:52 |
| sandraqu | dunno | 19:52 |
| sandraqu | i'm in though | 19:52 |
| nuba | type whoami and press <ENTER> | 19:52 |
| sandraqu | the username is not root, if that's your question | 19:52 |
| nuba | or id | 19:52 |
| sandraqu | it returns the username i provide | 19:52 |
| sandraqu | d | 19:53 |
| nuba | which was | 19:53 |
| nuba | ...? | 19:53 |
| sandraqu | my bosses | 19:53 |
| nuba | well it doesnt matter | 19:53 |
| SDuensin | No offense, but I think you need to brush up on your UNIX skills quite a bit before you go installing or altering anything. | 19:53 |
| nuba | you would have noticed if it were 'root' | 19:53 |
| sandraqu | SDue... don't worry | 19:53 |
| sandraqu | i crash things all the time | 19:54 |
| sandraqu | crash n learn, is what i like to call it | 19:54 |
| nuba | heh, sounds like me back in the days... | 19:54 |
| SDuensin | You can do a lot of damage as root. Just be sure the box is expendable. :-) | 19:54 |
| sandraqu | so nuba, since your more adventurous, should i just try to install the pm? | 19:54 |
| nuba | when I was a wise fool .. er.. guess Im still one... some things never change... | 19:54 |
| sandraqu | see if it works? | 19:54 |
| nuba | so, sandraqu, first rule of business | 19:54 |
| sandraqu | i guess.. is the bash prompt ok? | 19:55 |
| nuba | make a backup of what you have | 19:55 |
| nuba | so if you crash | 19:55 |
| nuba | you can CTRL+Z | 19:55 |
| nuba | and make your bosses happy again | 19:55 |
| sandraqu | nuba, i won't crash. i am not that much of a newbie, just not an everyday shell user | 19:55 |
| nuba | you know how to do a .tar.gz archive | 19:55 |
| nuba | ? | 19:55 |
| nuba | and a mysqldump? | 19:55 |
| sandraqu | the system is backup up | 19:55 |
| nuba | check that | 19:56 |
| sandraqu | check the dummp? | 19:56 |
| nuba | you reall y want to watch your back | 19:56 |
| nuba | yeah, check if the backups are doing fine | 19:56 |
| sandraqu | we pay plainback to watch it for us | 19:56 |
| nuba | oh.. | 19:56 |
| nuba | hey, youre a plainblack customer? | 19:56 |
| sandraqu | yes | 19:56 |
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| sandraqu | i know they can do this | 19:57 |
| nuba | maybe you could have them holding your hand in the process... | 19:57 |
| nuba | if its in your support plan | 19:57 |
| nuba | check with your customer representative | 19:57 |
| sandraqu | ii'm just trying to speed thngs up. if you would prefer. | 19:57 |
| sandraqu | alright nuba. you're not helping me anymore. thanks | 19:57 |
| nuba | wow youre quick to burn bridges | 19:57 |
| nuba | i didnt say that | 19:58 |
| sandraqu | oh | 19:58 |
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| sandraqu | sorry | 19:58 |
| sandraqu | nuba, i'm just trying to do this myself so that i can try out a macro | 19:58 |
| sandraqu | i have a monday deadline | 19:58 |
| nuba | okay, well what macro are you trying to install? | 19:58 |
| sandraqu | i have a guide, but thought to inquire here | 19:58 |
| sandraqu | the mail encode one | 19:59 |
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| nuba | if i recall correctly, you have to unpack it under /data/WebGUI | 19:59 |
| nuba | and enable it on your site's config file | 19:59 |
| nuba | which hangs at /data/WebGUI/etc/ | 19:59 |
| sandraqu | yes | 20:00 |
| sandraqu | hmm | 20:00 |
| sandraqu | nuba, i'm at the bash prompt though. | 20:00 |
| sandraqu | i think i have to do be root | 20:00 |
| nuba | 'sudo -s' will get you a root's shell, but that depends on how sudo is configured in the box | 20:01 |
| nuba | otherwise you can 'su -' too | 20:01 |
| nuba | but for this one you'll need to know the root's pwd | 20:01 |
| nuba | maybe you dont need the root's pwd | 20:01 |
| nuba | check your site's /data/WebGUI/etc/yoursitenamehere.conf | 20:02 |
| nuba | ls -l /data/WebGUI/etc/yoursitenamehere.conf | 20:02 |
| sandraqu | nuba... it now has a # isntead of $ at the end of the prompt (with sudo 0-s | 20:02 |
| nuba | see if its owned by your boss' user | 20:02 |
| nuba | type whoami | 20:02 |
| sandraqu | root | 20:02 |
| nuba | okay, youre root now, as you may have realised | 20:02 |
| sandraqu | yes | 20:02 |
| nuba | heh | 20:02 |
| nuba | so, unpack the macro | 20:03 |
| sandraqu | now. i have the pm downloaded locally | 20:03 |
| nuba | under /data/WeGUI/ | 20:03 |
| nuba | if it was nicely packaged | 20:03 |
| sandraqu | is there an address i can type in the shell prompt to drag the pm from the bazaar into here? | 20:03 |
| nuba | it will extract something under /data/WebGUI/docs | 20:03 |
| nuba | for you to read | 20:03 |
| nuba | and it will extract the macro itself to /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro | 20:04 |
| nuba | its the .pm file | 20:04 |
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| nuba | if you need to install any additional modules, it should be saying so in the docs that came with it | 20:05 |
| nuba | otherwise you may peruse the .pm file yourself and use CPAN to install the modules | 20:05 |
| nuba | or just try to use it and see what error messages it'll spill out | 20:05 |
| nuba | and a crash-and-learn adept im guessing youll go with choice #3 | 20:05 |
| sandraqu | nuba. ok. lemme try all those things | 20:06 |
| sandraqu | :] | 20:06 |
| sandraqu | i'll be back | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | We'll be here. | 20:06 |
| nuba | I might not be around, but im sure SDuensin will love to hint you in the proper path again, if needed ;D | 20:07 |
| nuba | right, SDuensin ? | 20:07 |
| SDuensin | Oh sure, run off and leave me. | 20:07 |
| nuba | LOL | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, that bug has already been fixed. Check the bug board or changelog for which release it is fixed in. | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | well, a bug that sounds like that has been fixed. | 20:09 |
| sandraqu | hello - is there a way to copy the pm from my local machine onto the server via SSH? | 20:09 |
| nuba | scp file.pm me@remote.box.com:/path/there/ | 20:10 |
| @preaction | sandraqu: yes. man scp | 20:10 |
| sandraqu | is there another way? | 20:11 |
| nuba | why dont you download it there? | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | sandraqu, it totally depends on the software installed on both machines | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | are you working with windows as your desktop? | 20:12 |
| nuba | instead of downloadin in your box and then having to figure out how to send it upstream? | 20:12 |
| sandraqu | perlD - windows right now | 20:12 |
| SDuensin | Might I add...Eww. :-) | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | sandraqu, nuba is right. It would be easier to download it right to the server. | 20:13 |
| nuba | putty has a scp thingy but its not very friendly | 20:13 |
| sandraqu | hey - i'd much rather be on my Mac | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | find the URL for downloading the macro that you want to install | 20:13 |
| nuba | do a wget http://url.here/foo.tar.gz | 20:13 |
| @preaction | windows has a GUI called "winscp" | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 20:13 |
| sandraqu | nuba.. k | 20:13 |
| SDuensin | I gotta have Cygwin loaded if I'm in Windows. | 20:14 |
| sandraqu | pre - lemme try wget | 20:14 |
| sandraqu | Cygwin is good | 20:14 |
| nuba | if you dont have wget, try 'curl -O http://etc.etc./file.tgz' | 20:14 |
| nuba | ascii: my preferred SCP client on win32 is SSH.com's, but Im not finding it for download in their website anymore. | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | in perl, what binds tighter, parentheses, or logical OR ? | 20:16 |
| nuba | perlDreamer: youre asking for who has precedence? | 20:17 |
| ckotil | perlDreamer: ah, thanks | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, like if I said return (this && that) || other | 20:17 |
| nuba | parentheses are always used to override default operator precedence | 20:17 |
| @preaction | it would return 1 || other depending on this && that | 20:18 |
| sandraqu | nuba - wget did the trick | 20:18 |
| sandraqu | be back | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, and not (return 1) || other | 20:18 |
| @preaction | it's possible it could return that || other | 20:18 |
| @preaction | oh, dunno | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like more testing is in order | 20:19 |
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| nuba | bbiaw | 20:22 |
| sandraqu | hello, | 20:26 |
| sandraqu | so i have the pm in the pm directory | 20:26 |
| sandraqu | now, i nkow i have to add it to some other file | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | sandraqu, is the macro.pm file in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/ ? | 20:28 |
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| sandraqu | yes | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, next check the permissions on the file. | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it should have the same permissions as the other files in that directory | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise the web server won't be able to open it | 20:30 |
| sandraqu | same as most other | 20:30 |
| sandraqu | mostly read, unless owner | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, the next thing to do then, is to edit the webgui config file | 20:30 |
| sandraqu | ah | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it will be in /data/WebGUI/etc/ | 20:31 |
| sandraqu | 20:31 | |
| sandraqu | how many layers out is the from where i was? | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | is this server using the WRE? | 20:33 |
| sandraqu | perl... dunno | 20:33 |
| sandraqu | what is WRE? | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a directory called /data/wre ? | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | WRE is the WebGUI Runtime Environment | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | If you're using a plain black server, it is highly likely that you are | 20:34 |
| sandraqu | we are, so let's presume, yes | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we can check by looking to see if you have that directory I mentioned above | 20:34 |
| sandraqu | perl, i do. i went tinot data/webGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro | 20:35 |
| sandraqu | i went out too far though | 20:35 |
| sandraqu | i'll begin again | 20:35 |
| sandraqu | or - how can i print where i am? | 20:35 |
| sandraqu | print directory | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | try doing ls -ld /data/wre and see what it says | 20:36 |
| sandraqu | got its listing | 20:36 |
| sandraqu | one | 20:36 |
| sandraqu | only one, that is | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | good, that's what we told it to do | 20:36 |
| sandraqu | so im in /data/WebGUI | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | cd etc | 20:37 |
| sandraqu | oh | 20:37 |
| sandraqu | oh.. good | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | inside there should be your webgui config files | 20:38 |
| sandraqu | good | 20:38 |
| sandraqu | yes | 20:38 |
| sandraqu | vi config file? | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you know vi. That is very good. | 20:38 |
| sandraqu | perlD, enough :] | 20:38 |
| sandraqu | i mean, i know it well enough | 20:39 |
| sandraqu | i see, so under macros | 20:40 |
| sandraqu | brb | 20:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8808 /experimental/Automat/ (5 files in 3 dirs): mail server management | 20:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8809 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (23 files in 2 dirs): a little cleanup in aisle 4 | 20:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8810 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (updatedns.pl createdns.pl): forgot to add these scripts | 20:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8811 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: removed legacy code | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | just add an entry, like the others, for your new macro | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | be sure to put a comment at the end, unless it is the last macro in the list | 20:42 |
| sandraqu | perlD - the first part is the call i make from webGUI? and the latter the actual pm filename (sans the pm). yes? | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you should see the one for the gateway macro | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | as an example | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | "/" : "Slash_gatewayUrl", | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | so perhaps like this: | 20:44 |
| sandraqu | :wq ? | 20:44 |
| sandraqu | write quite | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | when you're done, yes | 20:44 |
| sandraqu | do i get to test now? | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | now you have to restart the server | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | for that, you need root permissions | 20:44 |
| sandraqu | hmm | 20:45 |
| sandraqu | i have | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, first: cd /data/wre/sbin | 20:45 |
| sandraqu | i thnk i willnow defer to plainblack | 20:45 |
| sandraqu | the server drives many sites | 20:45 |
| sandraqu | perlD, what does sbin do? | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | inside sbin is an environment script which will guarantee you're using the WRE components, instead of the system defaults | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | as root, you should do: . ./setupEnvironment.sh | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that's <dot> <space> <dot> <slash> setupEnvironment.sh | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and then you can run a script which will restart the servers | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | but I agree that deferring to the experts is much safer and wiser | 20:48 |
| sandraqu | perlD. thank you for sharing your knowledge with me | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, sandraqu. | 20:49 |
| sandraqu | thanks to nuba too | 20:49 |
| sandraqu | and SDuensin | 20:49 |
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| sandraqu | no crash yet. lots o learn :] | 20:49 |
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| sduensin | Oops. Wrong button! | 20:57 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Yay for Paranoid::Debug freak'n me out and making me rush to see if my machine had just been turned into a smtp proxy. | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | awfully selfish of you not wanting to share your machine ;) | 21:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | awful paranoid of me to see a bunch of emails from my machine at the same time I'm trying to install a debugging module. | 21:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that wre 8.5 isn't compatiable with 7.3.17. | 21:14 |
| apeiron | hi, JSON 2.0 | 21:15 |
| sduensin | 8.5 is from the FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTURE! | 21:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | apeiron: yeah, nothing made me happier than to look into my logs and get a fun dose of the past with those neat-o JSON errors. | 21:15 |
| apeiron | perlmonkey2, I'm pretty sure there's a wiki page somewhere on how to get them to coexist... | 21:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, I probably remember off the top of my head. Just more fun to bitch about it here. | 21:16 |
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| nuba | back | 21:55 |
| @Haarg | perlmonkey2, if you have to deal with old versions of webgui, i would recommend using the Parse::PlainConfig off backpan instead of from cpan | 22:03 |
| @Haarg | there is a way to get the new JSON to play nice with the old code, but it only works to a certain extent | 22:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: 8.1 with a few force installs made things easier. | 22:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | And I really don't need it to work well. Just work well enough that I can run upgrades against it. | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | i just didn't have a lot of luck with Paranoid | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | for json, doing something like sub JSON::autoconv { return shift } sub JSON::skipinvalid { return shift } in preload.perl or similar may be enough to get old code working with JSON 2.0 | 22:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm | 22:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | interesting | 22:08 |
| Bernd_ | Any German native speaker online? | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | I do have a translation question. | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: Aren't you a native german speaker? | 22:14 |
| Bernd_ | Yes!!! But still I am unable to come up with an appropriate translation for "tags". | 22:15 |
| Bernd_ | Is it synonymous with "keywords"? | 22:15 |
| Bernd_ | What's your opinion, perlDreamer? | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: tag in the context of "version tag", for example? | 22:16 |
| Bernd_ | No, tags for photos in the gallery. | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | in that context, I think keywords is appropriate | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | Good. "Keyword" I am able to translate. Thanks! | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | as to the other usage, what do you call the pieces of paper on clothing that lists the price? | 22:18 |
| Bernd_ | Etikett? | 22:19 |
| Bernd_ | Preisschild? | 22:19 |
| Bernd_ | Etikett might do as well. | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | version tag would have that kind of context | 22:19 |
| Bernd_ | But I think it is rather unusual and what confuse most users. | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | something descriptive stuck onto something else | 22:19 |
| Bernd_ | would | 22:19 |
| Bernd_ | I think you got me wrong. I know what a tag is. | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, sorry | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | I just think there is no equivalent word in the context of tagging photos. | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | No problem. | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | It is an honor to be taught by perlDreamer ;-) | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks :) | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | You are welcome! | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | How is hacking going? | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's going okay | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm staying very busy | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | fixing bugs, and writing tests for the Survey | 22:26 |
| Bernd_ | Leave something to the others :-P | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | unfortunately, there are no lack of bugs to be fixed, or tests to be written | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | although, perlmonkey2 is making it very hard to find bugs in his code | 22:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah right | 22:28 |
| @preaction | that jerk | 22:28 |
| @preaction | he should make more bugs so they're easier to find | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 22:28 |
| Bernd_ | Ugh, for a moment I was worried that plain black would run out of work ... | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, no. They still have other coders to insert bugs. | 22:29 |
| Bernd_ | Are they doing it on purpose? | 22:29 |
| Bernd_ | Because I suspect so! | 22:29 |
| Bernd_ | Or why are there so many? | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | partially due to the Bazaar, and the Helpdesk applications | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | they are very new, and people really like to use them | 22:30 |
| Bernd_ | The HelpDesk is indeed buggy. | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it should get a little better today. I fixed a bug in some of the core code that it uses. | 22:31 |
| Bernd_ | Or was at least. | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | so at least it will format comments nicely | 22:32 |
| Bernd_ | Will I be able to open bug views again? | 22:32 |
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| Bernd_ | Cool, did you include some link-recognition? | 22:32 |
| Bernd_ | I had suggested that to rizen already. | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | No, but it will handle newlines, and escape unsafe characters | 22:33 |
| Bernd_ | There is a CPAN module for doing that. | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | link recognition would be a nice feature, but that would be an RFE | 22:33 |
| Bernd_ | Should not be too difficult. | 22:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: in the upgrades, the site I'm upgrading is using latin1 as table encoding and collation. I should switch that to utf8, right? | 22:33 |
| Bernd_ | And would be very helpful indeed. | 22:33 |
| @Haarg | in the upgrades? | 22:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: the special upgrade I'm doing. | 22:33 |
| topsub | can asset proxy's be relative? | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | the 7.5 upgrade should handle that | 22:34 |
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| SDuensin | BACK AT LAST! | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: please give commit 8813 a quick once over and let me know if that refactor is okay? | 22:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | k | 22:50 |
| @preaction | topsub: no | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8813 | 22:50 |
| @preaction | topsub: but you can do: ^AssetProxy(<tmpl_var url>/something); | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, but since url's are strings, you can use macros to build relative urls | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | also, see the RootUrl macro in the Bazaar | 22:51 |
| topsub | ah, alright we are running multi sites from 1 webgui and looking at how to solve each site having different theme | 22:52 |
| topsub | without having to redo the URLs everytime you want to setup a new site with a theme | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | It may be dangerous to hack while in a recliner | 23:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: looks good, but I thought I was using the correct perltidy template. Did you correct those by hand or with perltidy? | 23:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perltidy config I mean | 23:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I mean, not preaction | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | The correction is inside a test. Your code looks fine | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I needed less vertical space | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so i could see the whole data strucutre | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | on 1 page | 23:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: this seemed interesting though: my @types = $self->getValidQuestionTypes(); | 23:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Just trying to prettify things? | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | well, sort of =) | 23:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | I didn't want to duplicate the list of valid question types | 23:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, good call. | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | so by refactoring it out, I can call it in the test to get the list | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | although, I did do all the basic data types by hand, so going forward changes have to be made in both places. | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't really like doing that, but it's a great reminder to update template variables and the like | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | when the code behind them change | 23:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | maybe if this thing every gets settled down, the questions can be pulled out into Form and then the Form entries can have their individual templates and JS attached to them. Would be nice to pull all that logic out of the Survey. | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | would we reuse it elsewhere? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and the corresponding parts of the updateQuestionAnswers depends on those | 23:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I can see the ajax'd form types being pulled out of the survey and being very useful elsewhere. | 23:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but there would have to be be some surrounding framework devised. Sounds like something that needs to be grown iteratively rather than designed. | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 23:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I don't know, am I wrong? Is there already an agreed upon framework for implementing ajax'd forms? | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | No, there's no framework yet. I was responding to the evolved vs designed idea. | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I like it | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | sometimes things can be overdesigned | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | or not extensible enough | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: the bummer about Plain Black shirts is that they don't hide pumpkin soup stains | 23:30 |
| @rizen | do any shirts hide pumpkin soup stains? | 23:30 |
| SDuensin | Orange ones. | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | some plaids do well | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | Tie-dye! | 23:31 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: why would anyone waste a perfectly good pumpkin on soup? Is there such a plethora of pumpkin pie, that you would squander them on soup? Sir, I think not. | 23:38 |
| SDuensin | perlmonkey2, we're talking about rizen here. | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | You'll have to convince Koen and my wife of that. I am only a consumer of locally, produced, freely available food here :) | 23:38 |
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| @rizen | given the choice between pie and soup, i take pie every day of the week | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | chicken noodle pie, mmmmmm | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | two questions for those at home: | 00:32 |
| @preaction | 1) Would storing prepared SQL statements so they don't have to be prepared ever again during the current request count as "caching" and should "disableCache" disable this functionality? | 00:32 |
| @preaction | 2) Is a performance increase that is only significant when caching is disabled still a performance increase? It's in WebGUI::SQL::buildArray and WebGUI::SQL::buildArrayRef | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't see any performance increase in buildArray | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | or buildArrayRef | 00:39 |
| @preaction | it's not committed yet | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | if it slows wG down overall, it doesn't seem like an increase to me | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the common case is with caching? | 00:39 |
| @preaction | it doesn't, in speeds up wg overall, but just slightly | 00:39 |
| @preaction | when caching is off you see the real benefit | 00:39 |
| @preaction | otherwise the new code rarely gets hit | 00:40 |
| @preaction | because there are caching mechanisms in front of it | 00:40 |
| @preaction | for a single page view, it's a 1/3 performance increase (60s to 40s) | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | 40 second page view? | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | no way | 00:41 |
| @preaction | for the routines themselves, it's a 2fold increase | 00:41 |
| @preaction | caching is disabled | 00:41 |
| @preaction | you'd be surprised how slow wg is with caching disabled | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think that storing statements counts as caching | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | since it would return different data with different params, or at different times | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and does all this code have tests? and will it violate the 7.6 feature freeze? | 00:42 |
| @preaction | it's deep in WebGUI::SQL, so i suspect it has tests, if not i'll have to do it | 00:43 |
| @preaction | no, performance increases aren't features | 00:43 |
| @preaction | the API isn't changing at all, just how the work gets done | 00:43 |
| * perlDreamer pastes that one for future reference ;) | 00:43 | |
| @preaction | it depends on how the performance is getting increased | 00:44 |
| @preaction | if i started moving features around and changing APIs and stuff, then i would consider making it beta for a while | 00:44 |
| @preaction | especially if i was working with untested stuff | 00:44 |
| @preaction | i really need to get Coverage reports working. JT says he'll write tests if he can see a number | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you're tied for time, just send me the script | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | coverage tests should be about 20 characters of change or so | 00:47 |
| @preaction | one sec | 00:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | but be warned, coverage tests for all of wG will be BIG and SLOW | 00:47 |
| @preaction | how big? too big to upload via WWW::Mechanize? | 00:48 |
| @preaction | i was thinking making it a ZipArchive asset | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | 12 Mb | 00:48 |
| @preaction | ha, the test box is DOWN, which might be why tests aren't getting run | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | look in the dev list, I may have uploaded a copy last year about this time | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | zipped, about 12 Mb. | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: strongly resisting the temptation to add easter eggs to survey type answers | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Would redneck come before or after conservative in Ideology? | 00:50 |
| @preaction | i would consider them equal and awful | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: you have a login to my systems | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | PM me a hostname, username and passwd, please | 00:50 |
| apeiron | redneck is more a lifestyle, independent of ideology. | 00:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Do people who send out SPAM know they're scum, or are they just ignorant? | 02:47 |
| @preaction | money, they get money, so they're okay with themselves | 02:50 |
| @preaction | i've thought about it | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 02:50 |
| @preaction | money for nothing, sure why not? | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | well, then you'd get the chicks for free | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that ain't working | 02:54 |
| @preaction | that's the way you do it! | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 02:54 |
| @preaction | I WANT MY EMPTY-VEE | 02:54 |
| @preaction | i also want pandora to stop screwing around | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | pandora? | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | she opened the box | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | what more do you want? | 02:55 |
| @preaction | www.pandora.com <- only the greatest free music service EVAR | 02:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | last.fm? | 02:56 |
| @preaction | paltry in comparison! | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: SurveyJSON has 96% test coverage | 02:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | pandora.com goes to a blank page for me | 02:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: all the rednecks are covered? | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 02:57 |
| @preaction | Radix-wrk: pandora seems down atm, it will come up shortly i suspect | 02:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | must be reeeallly good then if they can't even keep a server up ;) | 02:59 |
| @preaction | yay! it's back up! | 03:04 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: Devel::Cover is installed on the test box now. the date was completely wrong which was causing the makefile to get regenerated | 03:04 |
| apeiron | preaction, You forget that those outside of the US may not be able to access it. | 03:04 |
| @preaction | it thought it was March 05, 08 | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | March was good | 03:05 |
| * apeiron shakes fist and spits at the RIAA | 03:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | I was employed then | 03:05 |
| @preaction | apeiron: i hope not | 03:05 |
| @preaction | it's got a lot of foreign music on it | 03:05 |
| apeiron | preaction, No, it's certainly true. | 03:05 |
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| patspam | would one of the PB folks be able to create a survey-rfe branch where we can put new survey features until the feature freeze is lifted? | 04:42 |
| patspam | actually, the WebGUI_Survey2 branch still exists, maybe we should just use that? | 04:43 |
| @preaction | patspam: you have committer access, you can just: svn mkdir https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/Patbranch | 04:43 |
| patspam | ah cool, thanks preaction | 04:44 |
| patspam | good/bad idea to hijack the WebGUI_Survey2? I don't think it's being used any more by perlmonkey2? | 04:45 |
| @preaction | if he's not using it he should probably delete it, just for the history's sake | 04:48 |
| patspam | ok, cool. I'll create a new branch for the new stuff | 04:48 |
| patspam | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/survey-rfe lives! | 04:56 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: ping | 05:00 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: pong | 05:59 |
| patspam | hey man! | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm out for a while, being Daddy dentist... | 06:00 |
| patspam | been talking to people today about advanced survey branching | 06:01 |
| patspam | just drafting up an rfe for it now | 06:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | anything interesting? | 06:01 |
| patspam | yeah, although you might have already thought of this | 06:01 |
| patspam | we want to let the survey creator enter an expression made up of section/question/answer vars to define the branch condition | 06:02 |
| patspam | using a simple DSL, such as something similar to the language used in spreadsheet programs | 06:03 |
| patspam | that was you can easily do branching based on the value of ANY previous response, sums, averages, you name it.. | 06:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, that had been something thrown around. But really only thought about it in the next iteration. | 06:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | exactly. would be great stuff. | 06:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | not hard to do. | 06:04 |
| patspam | yeah, it's similar to what i did for Flux (arbitrary expressions for combining expressions) | 06:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | probably could be squeezed into this one easily enough. But I'm not sure what you mean about Sections though. | 06:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Sections don't have values unless you mean the set of questions in them. | 06:04 |
| patspam | except the dsl needs to be more expressive so that you can do simple math things | 06:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm. | 06:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | actually, that could be really easy. But what about multiple branches of logic. if,elseif, else. | 06:05 |
| patspam | yeah, i was thinking it'd be nice if you could pass a section variable into things like AVG() and SUM() and it'd know how to hande em | 06:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I like it. | 06:05 |
| patspam | my thought was that you'd let people enter in a list of expressions, and the first one to match triggers the branch | 06:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | there a lib that already handles this pidgin language? | 06:05 |
| patspam | TARGET1: expression2 | 06:06 |
| patspam | TARGET2: expression2 | 06:06 |
| patspam | etc.. | 06:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | cool | 06:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | need a popup editor then | 06:06 |
| patspam | text area would be fine for the first iteration (at least for our needs) | 06:07 |
| patspam | doesn't have to be pretty | 06:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, try to get that passed Steve | 06:07 |
| patspam | heh, steve can always be bribed :) | 06:07 |
| patspam | yeah I had a quick look on cpan, didn't find anything yet | 06:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | err, past. you know what I meant :P | 06:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, well, it should be easy enougn to implement. Maybe add it as a new generic module for WG. | 06:08 |
| patspam | for Flux i used a very limited whitelist of what could be entered in an expression, massaged it into valid perl, and then eval'd it | 06:09 |
| patspam | that way i got arbitrary boolean expression support for free, unlimited nesting, etc.. | 06:09 |
| patspam | but in this case we might want to parse it ourselves | 06:09 |
| patspam | unless we make the syntax more perly | 06:10 |
| patspam | but i was thinking something like the excel macro language would be the least scary for end users | 06:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Parse::RecDescent. Then we don't have to use evil evals. | 06:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | create a simple grammar and we're good. | 06:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | could just rip off excel's macro lanauage. or at least a useful subset. | 06:12 |
| patspam | or use perl6 grammar/regexps :) | 06:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 06:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that would be fun | 06:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But yeah, that would be really powerful stuff for branching. But it wouldn't look nearly as sexy as it was in the current forms presented to the users. | 06:13 |
| patspam | having trouble parsing that last sentence.. | 06:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Right now, I don't know if people would grok how powerful it was if it was just presented in the edit form as another entry. | 06:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Eventually it should have its own panel with options and dialogs and fun things for the users to poke at and click on. | 06:15 |
| patspam | yeah true | 06:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | maybe a function builder. | 06:16 |
| patspam | yep, we can be inspired by Excel there too | 06:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that would save having to create a grammar | 06:16 |
| patspam | you'd still need the grammar, or a whitelist, or something equivalent, because you couldn't trust what the client submits | 06:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well if it was created in a builder, they wouldn't be able to enter anything not approved. | 06:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but whatever....those are pretty specific implementation details and we're a ways from that :P | 06:18 |
| patspam | I'll have the RFE up in the hour | 06:18 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8826 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed some Matrix rating bugs | 13:23 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | It's 3pm on a Friday. Is anyone overseas even still working? | 16:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Or is it beer-thirty yet? | 16:05 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: | 16:14 |
| +BartJol | still here | 16:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: you are hard core. You absolutely need a raise. | 16:14 |
| +BartJol | and working, even though it is Sinterklaas today | 16:14 |
| +BartJol | Koen also said something like that | 16:14 |
| +BartJol | and who am I to disagree | 16:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah :) | 16:15 |
| +BartJol | but 3 pm is a fairly normal time to be at work, even on fridays | 16:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: That's what The Man wants you to believe. | 16:16 |
| +BartJol | now I've got to fix a problem with rewrite rules and workflows | 16:16 |
| +BartJol | ah :) | 16:16 |
| +BartJol | joeri, martin and rory are also still working | 16:19 |
| +BartJol | I think Koen too | 16:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Wow, and on a major holiday. You guys are animals. | 16:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Killing the competition. | 16:19 |
| +BartJol | but my mouth is suffering from a lack of beer, it feels the weekend coming, just a few hours | 16:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: stay strong Bart, stay strong. | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | :) I'll try, but it seems that this weekend is gonna be work related too :( | 16:24 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 17:09 |
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| Lisett1 | if I'm doing a paydriver with another entity through which it would post the url return to WebGUI? would be the same in the store or do I have to put parameters? and from that subroutine should take the values of the parameters that are sending me? | 17:48 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: it's getting better, I have a beer | 17:53 |
| SDuensin | BEER! | 17:53 |
| * SDuensin only has tea so far. | 17:53 | |
| +BartJol | yes | 17:53 |
| SDuensin | #include <beer.h> | 17:53 |
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| SDuensin | Oh wait. That language may scare people here. | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | but with a # it's commented, that's useless | 17:54 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, in your little Perl language. :-P | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | Larry Larry Larry! | 17:55 |
| SDuensin | :-D | 17:55 |
| +BartJol | Lisett1: sorry I can't help you | 17:55 |
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| jeffthewookiee | Frank you here? | 18:08 |
| @khenn | yessir | 18:09 |
| jeffthewookiee | Npinansky is working with me | 18:09 |
| jeffthewookiee | We were asking if there's an API to check the status of a workflow and the completion time... | 18:09 |
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| Lisett1 | anyone have an idea? | 18:16 |
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| @khenn | Lisett1: I'm not sure I understand the problem. I'm not very familiar with shop. you may need to wait for rizen or perlDreamer to pop into the channel | 18:24 |
| Lisett1 | ok, i wait, thanks | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning folks | 18:53 |
| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer | 18:53 |
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| Lisett1 | if I'm doing a paydriver with another entity through which it would post the url return to WebGUI? would be the same in the store or do I have to put parameters? and from that subroutine should take the values of the parameters that are sending me? | 18:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | When I run Firebug and try to edit any asset, it gives me an error | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | YAHOO.util.Easing is undefined | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | should I add a call to the container in individual form elements that use it, or to getEditForm? | 19:17 |
| SDuensin | Ooof. Loading IE6 has angered the Macintosh. | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, as far as i know, that error doesn't matter | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | it's in yui, and inside a try block | 19:25 |
| @Haarg | to catch the error | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | it prevents text resizing from working | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | when I tell it to use animation.js, the error goes away and the resizing starts working again | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | resizing on what type of text box? | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | textarea and htmlareas | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | this is in 7.5 | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to try 7.6 now | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | htmlareas have their own resize code so it shouldn't effect that | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I think I understand now | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Firebug stopped on the error, even though it was in a try block | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and I didn't tell it to keep going | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so no resizing | 19:30 |
| @Haarg | you are using the debugger? | 19:30 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8827 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Document that canAdd is a class method | 19:30 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8828 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Fix resizing in textareas. | 19:31 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8829 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: canAdd is a class method | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | bleh. that code editor needs some work | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I was using the debugger. There's something funny happening with the Insert WebGUI Image plugin. | 19:32 |
| @Haarg | there a bug report for it? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9235 | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | It even came with complete instructions for dupicating the bug | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | The one thing he left out, was that after doing the insert, it will show up in the RTE. But after you save it, it goes away. | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | i think it's the border | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll look into that. | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | in the meantime, y'all can look at my business website and chortle | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | http://web538.plainblack.net/home | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | soon to be www.perldreamerconsulting.com | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | It needs a lot more work and removal of default content | 19:42 |
| @Haarg | it's the quotes | 19:42 |
| @Haarg | www/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wginsertimage/js/insertimage.js | 19:42 |
| @Haarg | creates an image tag with mismatched quotes | 19:42 |
| @Haarg | border="5' etc | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg. How did you do that so fast? | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it just practice? | 19:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I hope you already grabbed the domain | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I did | 19:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if it gets enough hits, godaddy will just grab it. | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | just need the DNS info to feed back into godaddy | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, after fixing the border quotes to use double quotes, i get this js console error | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | String contains an invalid character" code: "5 | 19:58 |
| snapcount | perlDreamer: any interest in webgui.us? | 20:04 |
| snapcount | or anyone for that matter | 20:05 |
| snapcount | I'm to lazy to actually use it for anything | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | One business website and 1.2x full time consulting is keeping me pretty busy. | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, browser caching of scripts sucks | 20:11 |
| snapcount | are you still working at the chip manufacturing place too? | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I got laid off | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm a freelancer now | 20:11 |
| snapcount | well sorry to hear that and congrats at the same time =) | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks. | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I hear that people can have post-hardware careers in software :) | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 20:12 |
| snapcount | cool that you get to hack full time now | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it is nice | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I like working from home | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as I don't turn on the TV, it works really well | 20:31 |
| SDuensin | Me too. Gets kinda lonely though. | 20:31 |
| SDuensin | I've been allowing myself a TV break at lunch to keep from going nuts. | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | for now, hanging out on IRC helps a lot. | 20:32 |
| SDuensin | And tunes. Podcasts. | 20:32 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8830 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix quoting problems in webgui tinymce image plug-in | 20:46 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, did you figure out the problem? | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, client side script caching | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd fix it on the server, then wouldn't see changes in the browser | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm adding a firefox extension for a clear cache button in the toolbar to help with that. | 20:56 |
| @Haarg | to track it down, i looked at the tag that was inserted in the editor using firebug. it had an attribute 5="", which i figured meant something was malformed with the html it was trying to insert. | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to learn how to use firebug better, but that will come with time. | 20:58 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to pick up his pick-up | 21:08 | |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8831 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix quoting problems in webgui tinymce image plug-in | 21:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | how many hours does it take for a DNS change to ripple out? | 22:53 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: depends on the TTL and other factors, could be 20M could be 6H | 22:53 |
| @preaction | usually it shouldn't be that long | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be patient | 22:53 |
| apeiron | Most places I've seen say to wait 24 hours. | 22:55 |
| apeiron | perlDreamer, FWIW, I can resolve the name to 67.19.67.50 presently. | 22:56 |
| apeiron | perlDreamer, May be your system's cache or your ISP's cache. | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be a 207 address | 22:57 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8832 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed a major bug where switching objects out from underneath could cause all kinds of chaos | 23:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: You're not making this survey rfe easy... | 23:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, I looked at your bug. | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Shouldn't there be some notice that a singleton clashes? I mean, how do you tell the difference between "hurried" workflows, and stuck workflows? | 23:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: which one? | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | RTEs into the survey | 23:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I don't think you have coverage on if the survey has timed out. | 23:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Patrick's "fix" looks like it broke it. | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Uh oh | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | there's 0% coverage on Survey.pm right now | 23:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 23:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well this would be in Response | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | there's 96% coverage in SurveyJSON | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | ResponseJSON would be next :) | 23:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ->hasTimedOut | 23:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, well there you go :) | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | You want a quick test for that one? | 23:43 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: yes, some indication would be good. but not an error. currently it returns undef, which the cron system, for example, interprets as "uh oh! something bad happened!" | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha, cap10morgan | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and for everyone in channel, a piece of hard learned advice | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't use Clone with perl 5.10 | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't work, randomly | 23:45 |
| @Haarg | fun | 23:45 |
| nuba | are we upped to 5.10 on webgui already? | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | not unless you're doing a source install, nuba | 23:46 |
| nuba | k | 23:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | isn't the new wre supposed to be 5.10? | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | that's the plan | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | is it? I wouldn't recommend it. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | There are modules we use that use Clone | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | but we won't have 5.10 a prereq until 8.0 at least | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: clone is cheesy anyways. Objects should be able to return a blessed copy of themselves if that is needed. | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | objects maybe | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | but what about data structures? | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, especially large survey based data structures from JSON? | 23:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | there are none | 23:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | they are objects | 23:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | you never operate directly on JSON | 23:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | one you can only use the JSON as blessed objects | 23:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | one? why did I start that with "one"? | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | so getObject, newObject, copy and so on return blessed objects? | 23:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hold up | 23:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well those aren't from JSON. And can't they call be copied safely with %copy = %{$ref}; ? | 23:51 |
| @Haarg | somewhat | 23:51 |
| @Haarg | that only copies one level though | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, not deeply | 23:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, do those contain references...yes they will | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | you would not believe how many WebGUI bugs have been about deep reference copies handled poorly | 23:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bah, I should have stuck with the original model of everything an object. | 23:52 |
| Lisett1 | how to get the values of parameters on the other website send me? | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisett1: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Form | 23:53 |
| Lisett1 | i'm going to see, thanks | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, it would have been slower, but would have copied easier since each object would handle its own copying | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not a bad tradeoff since copying is rare compared to instanciation | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, more js help, please | 23:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | why is this line important to the RichEditor/HTMLArea: element.value = element.value.replace(/-/mg,"-"); | 23:55 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: perhaps because those are two different unicode characters that look the same? | 23:56 |
| Lisett1 | where find an example? | 23:56 |
| @Haarg | what file pD? | 23:56 |
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| @preaction | Lisett1: everywhere you see session->form->process or session->form->get | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisett1: just grep for session->form->process | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, trying to shoehorn a richeditor into the survey for an rfe | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | the HTMLArea form control does that | 23:57 |
| Lisett1 | process??? is not with paramsHashRef? | 23:57 |
| @preaction | Lisett1: you could use either. two ways to do the same thing. try it and see perhaps? | 23:58 |
| Lisett1 | thanks, perDreamer | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I gotta go pick up the kids from school. Kathy's delivering a baby today. bbiaw | 00:00 |
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| @Haarg | i have no good explanation for that line perlDreamer | 00:04 |
| @Haarg | it's very old | 00:04 |
| @Haarg | 2004 | 00:05 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8833 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Fixed hasTimeLimit to work with the new storage location of the time limit. | 00:11 |
| Lisett1 | how to do to say the url to session->form of which i want to get the parameters? | 00:39 |
| Lisett1 | new? | 00:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I traced it back to svn rev 3 and stopped there, so yeah, it's way old ;) | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | i looked at the actual commit it was introduced | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | and nothing about the other things added help explain it | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that's right, you pulled in the old CVS history into your git repo, didn't you. | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in any case, I need to get the Survey to load that file so the rich editor can call it | 01:11 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:11 |
| @Haarg | i'd almost prefer to remove it | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | it works for me, but we should probably ask someone like rizen or khenn before doing it | 01:19 |
| @khenn | I have no idea | 01:20 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8834 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js: When an edit is submitted the edit screen no longer shows up | 01:41 |
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| WebGUI | good night all | 02:02 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8835 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: terminal sections now work correctly | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | go perlmonkey2, go! | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI: Has the new product hit the floor yet? | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, just so you know, I'll be doing some POD commits to ResponseJSON | 02:25 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8836 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 02:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Update SurveyJSON POD for the new method. | 02:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add legal and header POD for ResponseJSON. | 02:40 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: you around? | 17:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, 2am, probably not | 17:04 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Now that the Survey is inside a style, is it incredibly slow for anyone else? | 17:43 |
| daviddelikat | any body know how to use the 'wgd' tool? | 18:24 |
| daviddelikat | I'm trying to reset my install and I get an undefined subroutine | 18:25 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: i suspect the only person who really knows how to use it is Haarg and he's not here | 22:16 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 23:06 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody know if you can allow the user to enter a "size" in the store? Building a jewelry site and all the rings need sizes entered. | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | SDuensin: i think "size" was supposed to be some sort of a variant property | 00:04 |
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| SDuensin | Was supposed to be? Hmm. | 00:05 |
| @preaction | iow you add a variant for the size | 00:34 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but that's gonna take a craptastic amount of 'em. | 00:36 |
| @preaction | there's no way to add arbitrary data to a product? | 00:37 |
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| SDuensin | I don't see a way to allow the shopper to enter data about a product. If that makes sense. | 00:50 |
| @preaction | oh, you want the shopper to be able to enter what size they want | 00:51 |
| SDuensin | Sizes can be from like 5 to 16 in half-size increments. That's a crapload of variants. Especially if there are already four styles in each size. | 00:51 |
| @preaction | i believe there may have been something added to the Cart, some sort of comments field | 00:54 |
| @preaction | but i'm thinking that a feature that would allow a shopper to enter details per-item would be a good idea | 00:54 |
| nuba | ive shopped for jewelry online. that usually appears in a drop-down menu, and the sizes available vary from a product to another. ie. this ring is only available at this and that size, that other ring is available in the full range from size X to Y, etc. | 00:57 |
| nuba | (i dont have a solution for you, im just trying to help with the description) | 00:57 |
| SDuensin | nuba - Right, that's kind of what I picture in my head. | 01:11 |
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| SDuensin | OH NO! | 00:23 |
| SDuensin | You gotta be kidding me! | 00:23 |
| SDuensin | The quantities for all zillion products I just entered are encoded inside a JSON string in the database?! | 00:24 |
| SDuensin | Not exactly an easy way to bulk set that. :-( | 00:24 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8855 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Shop.pm Account_User.pm): Update from translation server | 16:54 |
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| SDuensin | Good (panic) Morning. (Panic) Help? | 17:21 |
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| SDuensin | Haarg! | 17:39 |
| @Haarg | morning | 17:39 |
| SDuensin | [09:21] <SDuensin> Good (panic) Morning. (Panic) Help? | 17:39 |
| nuba | hey SDuensin, sup? | 17:40 |
| SDuensin | I think there's a serious issue in the shopping system. | 17:40 |
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| SDuensin | (Loading SQL tables) | 17:41 |
| nuba | this? SDuensin> The quantities for all zillion products I just entered are encoded inside a JSON string in the database?! | 17:41 |
| SDuensin | Well, that's an annoyance. | 17:41 |
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| SDuensin | I went to write a tool to handle that and found that my Product table doesn't seem to have any kind of unique key in it. | 17:41 |
| SDuensin | I also have (apparently) bad data in the table already. | 17:41 |
| nuba | awwwww.. crap | 17:42 |
| nuba | i havent even looked in the general direction of the shopping system yet | 17:42 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I have a crapload of products up in a site I'm supposed to have finished already. | 17:42 |
| SDuensin | I assume the assetId is supposed to be unique. I've got a lot of duplicates. | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | It's almost like when you edit a variant, another entry is created. | 17:45 |
| @Haarg | the Product table is just like any other asset table | 17:46 |
| @Haarg | assetId + revisionDate are the primary key | 17:46 |
| SDuensin | Ok, that leads me to less panic. :-) | 17:47 |
| SDuensin | WTF is with that JSON inside the database?! | 17:47 |
| SDuensin | Nobody wants to step up and own that one, eh? :-P | 17:51 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8856 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 17:55 |
| nuba | huh | 17:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I worked on the TimeField form control over the weekend | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | It's badly broken | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd love to get a review of the changes that I'm proposing | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | any takers? | 18:07 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer! | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | hola, SDuensin :) | 18:07 |
| SDuensin | I'm trying to unpanic. Then I can break things. | 18:07 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer, you added the paging to the Shelf for me, right? | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe so. | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I've fixed a lot of bugs over the last few weeks | 18:08 |
| SDuensin | Is there a way to change the page size? Or disable it? | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | this is the new getValue subroutine for timeField: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d214b951f | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, no there isn't. It would be about a 20 minute RFE, though | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | the values are hardcoded inside the paginator, unless some other value is provided | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | although, it could be considered a bug that it's paginated but not configurable | 18:10 |
| SDuensin | Maybe I can fix that bug later. It's a deal breaker for something a client has requested. | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't think of anywhere else that we have non-configurable pagination... | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | SQL Report is configurable | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Post is configurable | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 18:12 |
| SDuensin | God my quantity hack is ugly. | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | quantity hack? | 18:15 |
| SDuensin | Yes. Follow up to my earlier mini-rant about having JSON inside the database. | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | one more thing about timeField, it all started with this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9063 | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, I agree that having JSON in the db does make hackery more difficult | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | I'm gonna say it's a Bad Idea(tm). | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | on the other hand, it made asset collateral quickly and easily versioned, and packagable. | 18:21 |
| SDuensin | It's still fugly. | 18:22 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8857 /translations/German/German/Account_Profile.pm: Update from translation server | 18:23 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8858 /translations/German/German/Account_Contributions.pm: Update from translation server | 18:23 |
| SDuensin | Grrr. I got my quantities updated, but the site still says everything is out of stock. Guess that's why people should use the API. | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, would you like a little script to start with? | 18:24 |
| SDuensin | I'd love one. :-) | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ok, hang on a few | 18:24 |
| SDuensin | Mine apparently creates a mess. | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, you want a paste or an email? | 18:29 |
| SDuensin | Whatever is easiest. | 18:29 |
| SDuensin | scott@jaegertech.com if you want. | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | on its way | 18:31 |
| SDuensin | Thank you! | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | give me a holler if you have more questions | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I wrote the Product | 18:31 |
| SDuensin | Oh, I will. | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | well, updated it from old product to Sku | 18:31 |
| SDuensin | Gonna keep at the JSON bit. :-) | 18:32 |
| SDuensin | Maybe wrap it so all the JSON key/value pairs end up in another table? Then you could at least join tables together to query it. | 18:32 |
| SDuensin | Thanks, perlDreamer - hacking away again. :-) | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | only one downside about that script, it does not make a versioned change | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | so make backups, just in case | 18:38 |
| SDuensin | No problem. Got a backup. | 18:39 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8859 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol: The Germans are on fire! | 18:54 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | heh, squirrel chewed through my cable's insulation. I got tired of waiting for the repair guy, so wrapped it in electrical tape and took some old tin and bent it around the wire as a shield. Back on the internet via Okie-Engineering. | 19:25 |
| SDuensin | Nice! | 19:28 |
| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer - never messed with JSON in Perl. What do I do about malformed JSON strings? | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | reform them? :) | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd need more info to help you | 19:31 |
| SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1349bf43 | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, my bad I missed an array deref | 19:33 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I got that. But something is making JSON mad. (Or is there another one missed?) | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | line 2 should read foreach my $variant ( @{ $product->getAllCollateral('variantsJSON') } { | 19:34 |
| SDuensin | Doesn't my foreach my $item line fix that? | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but each item of the array is a hashref | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's better written without the extra foreach | 19:35 |
| SDuensin | True. | 19:35 |
| SDuensin | It's still POed when I try: print "$variant\n\n"; | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | $variant would be a hashref | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | they don't pretty print by default | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | try use Data::Dumper; print Dumper $variant | 19:40 |
| SDuensin | Ah yea. Take a dump. :-) | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if that's different in perl6 | 19:41 |
| SDuensin | I'm running under the WRE on Ubuntu. | 19:42 |
| SDuensin | Even with Dumper it barfs on the malformed JSON string. | 19:42 |
| SDuensin | Did I mention I didn't like JSON in the database? :-D | 19:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: the problem you mentioned the other day seemed like a pretty good reason to not have JSON. All fine and dandy when the data is being used as designed. But when you need to do some maintenance outside of the defined params, you have to write a small script. | 19:46 |
| SDuensin | That problem is still my problem. :-( | 19:47 |
| SDuensin | Except now, using the API to access it (thanks to perlDreamer), it's mad because of bad JSON. | 19:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: bad JSON you've created, or bad JSON from the DB? The second sounds like a far larger problem. | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, Dumper can't barf on bad JSON | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it's doesn't care what the data is | 19:49 |
| SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - I'm trying to iterate over the products I have defined and set their quantity. | 19:49 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Tell Dumper that. | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, how about a fresh paste of what you've got | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: wiki bug ping | 19:50 |
| SDuensin | Sure. Dumper isn't in it for the moment. | 19:50 |
| @tavisto | um. hi | 19:50 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer: RFE asset Hamburgler over. | 19:50 |
| SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d1e8f3 | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I'd like to try and duplicate your wiki page is protected bug. Could you please let me know the URL of a protected page so I can try and hack it with malicious spam? | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, what does Dumper complain about? | 19:52 |
| @tavisto | I'll create a new one for you to test on. That will be a good thing for you to be an 3vilHaXoR on | 19:53 |
| SDuensin | Well, I assumed it was Dumper. I get the same error. So maybe it's the first access to $variant is making it mad. | 19:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: there isn't a call to JSON there. The real error might be in getAllCollateral | 19:54 |
| SDuensin | That's my suspicion. | 19:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | probably line 263 of Product. Try wrapping that call in an eval and outputting $@ | 19:55 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8861 /modules/Config-JSON/ (7 files in 3 dirs): | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: v1.3.1 | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: fix: #41525 Cleaning up temporary directory | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Throws a better error message when trying to access an element of an array using a multi-level directive. | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Writes config file directives in alphabetical order for easier human reading. | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Better handling of UTF-8 data in the config file. | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Better version numbers on prereqs. | 19:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: but if that call is failing, you probably have something wrong with your JSOn in the DB. | 19:56 |
| SDuensin | That's what my (panic) was for earlier. | 19:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | go grab the JSON directly from the DB and write a small little test script that just calls from_json on the pasted string. | 19:57 |
| SDuensin | I can do that. | 19:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | you might even be able to eyeball the bad chars. | 19:57 |
| SDuensin | I'm going to restore the database just to be good and sure I haven't broken what WebGUI put there. | 19:58 |
| SDuensin | Error still exists with the data I *know* was created by WebGUI. | 20:07 |
| SDuensin | The only thing I see is that I have a couple entries in the database where the variantsJSON is equal to "[]". | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that would mean no variants | 20:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but you haven't cut and pasted a malformed string from the DB successfully? | 20:10 |
| SDuensin | Working on that now. | 20:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | "[]" should be a valid string. | 20:10 |
| SDuensin | It is. | 20:14 |
| SDuensin | Gonna write something to yank all the JSON from my DB and try to decode it. | 20:14 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, now I'm confused. My code parses everything fine. | 20:19 |
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| SDuensin | Where is "from_json"? I'm using $json->decode in my test. | 20:22 |
| SDuensin | Nevermind. | 20:23 |
| SDuensin | Duh. | 20:23 |
| SDuensin | Crap. Still works. :-) | 20:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: ah | 20:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | j/s | 20:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | from_json flips the utf8=>1 flag | 20:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm pretty sure | 20:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or maybe I have that backwards | 20:24 |
| @preaction | encode / decode is the utf8 one i think | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | from_json leaves the utf8 flag alone | 20:24 |
| SDuensin | Here's the guts of my test script: | 20:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, then that shouldn't be it | 20:25 |
| SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7ebc1c7e | 20:25 |
| SDuensin | It reads it right from the same database I get the error from. | 20:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, please try this and paste the output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1b94cf33 | 20:32 |
| SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m547dada7 | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that JSON subroutine should use croak, so we can see where it's called from | 20:37 |
| SDuensin | Would be helpful, wouldn't it? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 20:37 |
| SDuensin | I'd hack it, but this is my live server. | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | new one for you: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d31a52578 | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | let's see the actual JSON itself this time | 20:38 |
| SDuensin | Same error bud. | 20:39 |
| SDuensin | Doesn't seem to matter what is inside the while loop. | 20:40 |
| SDuensin | I put: print "Crap."; | 20:40 |
| SDuensin | Still does it. | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's not possible. The class does no JSON processing unless you ask for it | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | there's something else going in | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | on | 20:41 |
| SDuensin | I'd say. | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | can you please paste the whole script? | 20:41 |
| SDuensin | Trying. | 20:41 |
| SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m607931c | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you invoke the script? | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and where do you run it from? | 20:45 |
| SDuensin | perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile ut.jaegertech.net.conf | 20:45 |
| SDuensin | From /data/WebGUI/sbin | 20:45 |
| SDuensin | (After setting the environment.) | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | please comment out lines 44-48 and run it again for me | 20:46 |
| SDuensin | Same. The config file corrupt maybe? | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the favorite config file gaffe is dangling, perl-style commas, or missing commas in the middle of lists | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | is this config file being used on your live site right now? | 20:49 |
| SDuensin | Yea. | 20:49 |
| SDuensin | I don't remember editing it by hand. Checking. | 20:49 |
| @Haarg | dangling commas shouldn't be a problem at this point. but missing commas certainly can be. | 20:50 |
| SDuensin | I don't see anything. testEnvironment loads it, doesn't it? | 20:51 |
| topsub | Radix_, just used ur lightbox2 package.. thanks! ported it to be used with a folder asset instead but you saved me from importing all the files | 20:52 |
| SDuensin | testEnvironment passes with flying colors. | 20:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, try to run the default utility skeleton | 20:59 |
| SDuensin | That works. | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | this is nuts | 21:01 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 21:01 |
| SDuensin | I told you guys I was good at breaking things. | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | well, next, please remove the use WebGUI::Asset* lines | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and try the script again | 21:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should try to run skeletor | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | he did | 21:02 |
| SDuensin | Remove them from which script? | 21:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then summon heman to fix it all | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | from the setMaxQ script | 21:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno what the prob is btw. | 21:03 |
| SDuensin | Commented the two lines out. Error is still there. | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | new paste, please | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or a login | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | SD, when you ran the utility script, did you give it your config file? | 21:06 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 21:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile ut.jaegertech.net.conf | 21:07 |
| SDuensin | Pastebin is being slooooooow. | 21:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | should that be | 21:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile=ut.jaegertech.net.conf | 21:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | try that | 21:07 |
| @Haarg | it should work either way afaik | 21:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:08 |
| SDuensin | Yea, same error with the ='s. | 21:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | never used it without the = | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 21:08 |
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| @Haarg | i never saw the exact error message, what was it? | 21:10 |
| SDuensin | Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135. | 21:10 |
| SDuensin | malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135. | 21:10 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 21:10 |
| @rizen | howdy | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | so it isn't finding the config file for some reason | 21:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 21:10 |
| @Haarg | can't get to pastebin atm, so i'm not sure | 21:11 |
| SDuensin | No idea. | 21:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | sduensin, where is your script and from what directory are you running it? | 21:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | yea, pastebin is down | 21:11 |
| SDuensin | In /data/WebGUI/sbin | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin's powers of desctruction are strong, and widespreda | 21:13 |
| SDuensin | You have no idea. :-) | 21:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | can you try with another util script | 21:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | say, file import or so? | 21:14 |
| SDuensin | testEnvironment runs fine. So does the skeleton with that config passed to it. | 21:15 |
| @rizen | did you try tripple clicking? | 21:15 |
| @Haarg | what is the difference between your script and the skeleton? | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's browser caching | 21:16 |
| SDuensin | ? | 21:16 |
| @rizen | oh i know | 21:17 |
| @rizen | you forgot to do the big thing to make it go | 21:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | quadruple clicking? | 21:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | prayer? | 21:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | make it bug free? | 21:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | sduensin, could it be that there are weird characters in the conf file? | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can check that by opening it in vim | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then do | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | :set invlist | 21:19 |
| SDuensin | I doubt it. The site is running off that file. | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmmm | 21:20 |
| SDuensin | And (for once) I didn't screw with it. :-) | 21:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | can you email me your code? | 21:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll have a look at it | 21:20 |
| SDuensin | http://rafb.net/p/XwN4CR43.html | 21:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 21:21 |
| SDuensin | (Alternate pastebin thingie.) | 21:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | another pstebin | 21:21 |
| SDuensin | There's a bunch of 'em. | 21:21 |
| @Haarg | and the file is in sbin, and you are running it from there? | 21:22 |
| SDuensin | Yep | 21:22 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8862 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (6 files): Update from translation server | 21:22 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8863 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 21:22 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Have Operation/Cron log a warning instead of an error when trying | 21:22 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: to rerun a singleton, long-running workflow. | 21:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 21:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | somehow the configFile parameter is not parsed correctly | 21:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | $configFile is undef | 21:24 |
| * SDuensin didn't do it. Honest. :-P | 21:24 | |
| +MrHairgrease | configfile=s'=>\$configFile, | 21:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | you did | 21:24 |
| @Haarg | wait | 21:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | F | 21:24 |
| SDuensin | ? | 21:24 |
| @Haarg | it parses the config file option twice | 21:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | configfile != configFile | 21:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that too | 21:25 |
| @Haarg | they are equal for Getopt::Long | 21:25 |
| @Haarg | unless you set a specific option | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c of the first GetOptions with the wrong param | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | the second with the correct param doesn't work | 21:25 |
| @Haarg | the double call to GetOptions is the problem | 21:25 |
| @preaction | is this the SVN HEAD skeleton? | 21:25 |
| @preaction | i swore i fixed it | 21:25 |
| SDuensin | preaction - I'm sure I broke it. | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, it's from 7.5 | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and the skeleton is fine in there | 21:26 |
| @preaction | yeah, that looks like an older one | 21:26 |
| @Haarg | you can just remove the GetOptions call inside start | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the my $configFile | 21:26 |
| @preaction | no, because then start doesn't have the config file | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has | 21:26 |
| @preaction | it's not getting passed in in this version | 21:26 |
| @preaction | oh, i see | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | since $configFile is global too | 21:26 |
| @preaction | abusive scoping :p | 21:27 |
| SDuensin | I removed the one at the top. Error is gone! | 21:27 |
| SDuensin | Now if we can just rid ourselves of the JSON to begin with... :-P | 21:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | funny that GetOpt is case insensitive btw. | 21:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | never thought it would be. | 21:28 |
| * MrHairgrease rather scopes abuse =) | 21:28 | |
| +perlDreamer | now that everyone is here, does anyone care to comment on the timeField form fixes I proposed earlier? | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | if not, I'll just go ahead and commit it | 21:29 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I forgot to eat. I need to do that. Back in a bit. | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | Getopt::Long is case insensitive for long options by default, case sensitive for short options. that can be configured though. | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | you have a link perlDreamer? | 21:30 |
| SDuensin | Thanks gang. | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d214b951f | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9063 | 21:30 |
| @Haarg | can you make a different paste? | 21:31 |
| @Haarg | pastebin is still unreachable | 21:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://rafb.net/p/SOAUlP11.html | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I built a test script for it with about 26 tests, testing with and without format=mysql, and with different kinds of inputs | 21:33 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9244 | 21:33 |
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| @Haarg | so that is eliminating the format detection based on defaultValue? | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | because I don't think it matters | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add some more tests to make sure of that | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it doesn't matter when you call getValue. defaultValue is only supposed to be when no value param is supplied to the form element | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | so getValue either sees posted form params, or arguments | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and the call to super will resolve that | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | yeah, but the idea is that if something sets the defaultValue to 00:00:00, they always want a mysql time format | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | and if they set it to 0, they always want an epoch time | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's supposed to autodetect it? | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of using the well documented and defined format argument? | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | that was the idea | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | i think format came later | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | since we knew that the defaultValue thing was nasty | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what gets priority if they're different? | 21:43 |
| +BartJol | mm, is Send with a "d" past time or more a command? | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | if which is different? | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | defaultValue and format? | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | i would say format | 21:44 |
| +BartJol | like in Account_Inbox the label Send, are these messages that should be send or already been send? | 21:44 |
| +MrAfkGrease | bart: I think it's with a t | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll rework the tests, then the patch, then the docs and then post for reconsideration | 21:44 |
| +BartJol | it is with a t? that's usefull | 21:45 |
| +BartJol | what it? | 21:45 |
| +MrAfkGrease | oh | 21:45 |
| +BartJol | :) | 21:45 |
| +MrAfkGrease | i read your question wrong | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: If you hit the "Send" button in the past, your email was sent. | 21:45 |
| +MrAfkGrease | passed tense of send is sent | 21:45 |
| +MrAfkGrease | so it's prolly a command | 21:45 |
| +BartJol | indeed it is | 21:45 |
| +MrAfkGrease | what the context? | 21:45 |
| +BartJol | there isn't, that's why I'm asking | 21:46 |
| +MrAfkGrease | ah | 21:46 |
| +MrAfkGrease | well what colins says | 21:46 |
| +MrAfkGrease | =) | 21:46 |
| +BartJol | context in the latest i18n is terrible... | 21:46 |
| +MrAfkGrease | i probably is | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, that is a button label. it's i18n'ed in the template using the macro | 21:47 |
| +MrAfkGrease | but i meant more the sentence embedding the word | 21:47 |
| +MrAfkGrease | which isn't there if it's just a button label... | 21:47 |
| +BartJol | there wasn't a sentence either | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and it should be "Send", the command | 21:48 |
| +BartJol | just the word "Send", that makes it hard to understand | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | you should ask the Account maintainer to give some context in the i18n file to help you out, or just keep asking questions in channel ;) | 21:48 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:48 | |
| +MrAfkGrease | just translate it with Verzenden and be iun peace | 21:49 |
| +BartJol | who's trying to bug me by leaving all context? are it tha germans, the spaniols or arabics paying PB? | 21:49 |
| +BartJol | already did that MrAfkGrease | 21:49 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8864 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting singleton warn vs error for Cron. | 21:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8865 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Account_Profile.pm: Update from translation server | 21:50 |
| +MrAfkGrease | very good | 21:50 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: I like it better to ask here, but next time I'll bother the responsible person, In this case it would have been Frank | 22:07 |
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| SDuensin | In the Product asset, where is the actual template represented by <tmpl_var buy_options> ? | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, ack (or ctags in vim) answers questions very quickly ;) | 23:41 |
| SDuensin | Eh? | 23:41 |
| SDuensin | Yea yea. | 23:41 |
| * SDuensin is reading how to "fix" the Shelf. | 23:41 | |
| +perlDreamer | ?fix? | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | for pagination? | 23:42 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | You want me to walk you through it? | 23:43 |
| SDuensin | If you have time. I think I get the gist of it. Not looked up the internationalization stuff yet. | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | well, hack on. and holler if you get stuck | 23:44 |
| SDuensin | I need to add the paginateAfter to the database, add the properties, and use the properties when the paginator is created. Right? | 23:44 |
| * SDuensin bought the spiffy Developer's Guide. | 23:45 | |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's it exactly | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | Cool. :-) | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | That's looking like my first contribution to the code. It's a must-have for my client. | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | file a bug for it | 23:47 |
| SDuensin | ok | 23:47 |
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| SDuensin | Just out of curiosity, why is all the i18n stuff in modules and not a DB table? Speed? | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | yes | 23:53 |
| SDuensin | I did a BBS some time ago and did it all in the database. I can see how a busy site would crumble with that kind of set up. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | khenn, in the account system, what is the difference between a layout template and a view template? | 23:55 |
| +BartJol | tavisto: did you see my private message? | 23:56 |
| SDuensin | Whoever can assign tickets, please give me 9250. | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, only the elect can assign tickets | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | just post a comment saying that you're working on it | 23:59 |
| SDuensin | OK | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Tue Dec 09 2008 | ||
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, about your i18n bug, how does this sound | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Choose a layout from the list to display the various account plugins that are usable by the current user as well as the contents of the one currently chosen | 00:03 |
| +BartJol | if you change "one" to plugin it's clearer I think | 00:04 |
| @tavisto | bartjol, nice work | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | will do | 00:05 |
| +BartJol | thanks | 00:05 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: thanks | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, BartJol. You do the community a big service by feeding those bugs back to us | 00:09 |
| +BartJol | small changes, but it looks much more neat indeed | 00:10 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8867 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs): | 00:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: many bug fixes | 00:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: added service login config option | 00:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8868 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed some Account i18n typos. | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate thingy | 00:18 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 00:18 |
| SDuensin | Thingy is *so* close to being awesome. | 00:18 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: why, because it's mainly a Dutch product? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | No. | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Number 1 reason: I really don't understand it or how to properly use it. | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Number 2 reason, it's new and buggy | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I like Dutch things | 00:19 |
| +BartJol | mmm, can understand your reasons | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Dutch people, dutch soups, dutch stroopwaffeln and dutch code | 00:20 |
| +BartJol | stroopwafels, we're not german | 00:20 |
| +BartJol | :) | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | my bad :) | 00:21 |
| +BartJol | Dutch isn't easy | 00:21 |
| +BartJol | it's an unreliable language, too much exceptions | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, you mean compared to an easy language, like English? | 00:23 |
| +BartJol | no just generally | 00:23 |
| +BartJol | but you're right each language probably has that | 00:24 |
| +BartJol | but spelling of words depends on grammar with no clear rulea | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | indede | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | indead | 00:24 |
| +BartJol | indeat | 00:25 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8869 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix searching in the Thingy view screen. | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, is the TimeField supposed to convert to the desired format, or just validate it? | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | convert to | 01:30 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8870 /experimental/Automat/ (2 files in 2 dirs): bug fixes | 01:48 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to check out business cards | 02:12 | |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8871 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/fixmxwithoutindex.pl: fixes the data for a bug that was in MailServer.pm | 02:20 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8872 /branch/survey-rfe/ (22 files in 13 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into survey | 02:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8873 /experimental/Automat/ (sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl lib/Automat/MailServer.pm): bug fixes | 02:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8874 /experimental/Automat/sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl: forgot to eval and exit the loop | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw | 02:54 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8875 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: added hover help | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam: ping | 03:23 |
| patspam | perlDreamer: pong | 03:27 |
| +perlDreamer | never mind, I think I got it. | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | The defaultValue is fine in the actual thingy table, it's only limited in the fields table. | 03:28 |
| patspam | yeah, Thingy_fields | 03:28 |
| patspam | man you're quick! | 03:28 |
| patspam | i submitted that like 45mins ago ;) | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I just finished up a bug | 03:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and you always submit good bug reports | 03:29 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of detail, and sometimes patches | 03:29 |
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| patspam | i was a professional bug reporter during uni | 03:32 |
| patspam | ..at Infogrames (a game company) | 03:33 |
| +perlDreamer | working at a game company sounds very fun | 03:33 |
| patspam | that was a pretty good rort, being paid to play games all day =p | 03:33 |
| patspam | yeah, except after about 6 months on the same, crap, buggy game.... | 03:33 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, that's kind of how I feel now (previous sentiment) | 03:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm getting paid to hack perl code | 03:34 |
| +perlDreamer | No one yells at me about schedules, or wants me to remotely debug buggy tester hardware | 03:34 |
| patspam | heh, just wait till you've had 6 months on the same, crap, buggy, .... heh just kidding | 03:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll change a little. Instead of crappy, buggy 7.6, it will be crappy, buggy 7.7 ;) | 03:35 |
| patspam | and at least you get to hack on the game itself, it was crap only being able to submit bugs and not actually fix stuff | 03:37 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8876 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.35-7.5.36.pl): make sure that Thingy fields defaultValue can hold any input from any type of form field. | 03:48 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8877 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.5-7.6.6.pl): Forward port Thingy_fields defaultValue size fix. | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, when you import ical feeds into a calendar, is everything supposed to come over? | 05:18 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8878 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Have the calendar emit and read the ical LOCATION field. | 06:38 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8879 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward port Calendar location field fix in ical. | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | More iCal fun in the morning. Good night, all. | 07:05 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8880 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_Layout.pm Asset_MatrixListing.pm): Update from translation server | 13:06 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: hmm, you might just notify people as they probably forgot to put in the context. | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but it happens quiet a lot, and if I have to browse svn each time to look who forgot it it take me huge amounts of time | 17:03 |
| +BartJol | if you find it a bit questionable if that posts should remain on the site, please remove | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | and with questionable I mean that it could give an unprofessional impression | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | Hey guys. | 17:06 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: so please do what you want with the post | 17:07 |
| +BartJol | but it was in all changes in 7.6.4 and up | 17:08 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: no, you make a very pertinent point. | 17:23 |
| +BartJol | ok, I don't wanna make a big issue of it | 17:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Adding context isn't a lot to ask of developers, and the i18n translations are very important. | 17:26 |
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| +BartJol | I don't know how much work it is, I can imagine that distracts you from the programming | 17:27 |
| Lisette | I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver | 17:29 |
| Lisette | ? | 17:29 |
| +BartJol | sorry Lisette, I don't know | 17:34 |
| Lisette | i can't do a get from another website??? | 17:39 |
| +BartJol | it's hard to get the code underneath. I don't have that kind of stuff | 17:43 |
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| +BartJol | mmm are more people having problems with the asset managerin 7.6.5? I don't see my assets | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | probably some bad stuff done myself | 18:13 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8881 /WebGUI/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Making Matrix edit listing screen templatable | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: latest iteration on Form/TimeField, http://webgui.pastebin.com/df048e6f | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | seems fine | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | you may want to change the regex to use (?: ) but that's a pretty small nit | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, we don't need to capture anything in there, just validate | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | what time are you going to start the release? | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | probably around 2 | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | central that is | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | okay. in addition to the timefield bug, I'd like to get the calendar iCal work in too, but it might be tight | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | what is the ical issue? | 18:39 |
| SDuensin | Morning perlDreamer & Haarg | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, SDuensin | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | It's kristi's ical bug from the boards | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | not all info from events comes across | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Location was easy to add | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | ah | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | still thinking about related URLs | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and I don't think it's possible to do attachments | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem with related URLs is that they're group protected | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | at some point we may want to change the Data & DateTime form controls to be like what you have for time there | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | they work properly afaik, but it isn't completely obvious what everything is doing | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, as far as the layout and logic? | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | gym time | 18:51 |
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| SDuensin | Whoo hoo! My first "fixed" Wobject! | 19:17 |
| SDuensin | Nothing like doing 10 minutes of work over two days. <sheesh> | 19:17 |
| SDuensin | And it works! | 19:20 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 19:20 |
| SDuensin | Hey gang, since this is my first change to WebGUI core, would someone look at what I did before I commit it? It's only a few lines. I can send the files or a diff. | 19:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: I'll look at it if you want. You can just pastebin it or whatever. | 19:36 |
| SDuensin | ko | 19:37 |
| SDuensin | Ok, perlmonkey2 - Sorry. Was on the phone. | 19:49 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8882 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/TimeField.pm t/Form/TimeField.pm): | 19:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix the timeField form control so that times don't creep. | 19:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add tests. Lots of tests. | 19:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8883 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document time field form fix. | 19:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8884 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the TimeField form control, and add lots of tests. | 19:50 |
| SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - First file: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40bc82c7 | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Second: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f50bec5 | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | Massive database change: ALTER TABLE Shelf ADD paginateAfter INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '25'; | 19:52 |
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| perlmonkey21 | SDuensin: I missed everything after the database update | 19:58 |
| SDuensin | There wasn't anything. :-P | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | [11:51] <SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - First file: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40bc82c7 | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | [11:52] <SDuensin> Second: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f50bec5 | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | [11:52] <SDuensin> Massive database change: ALTER TABLE Shelf ADD paginateAfter INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '25'; | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | That's all. | 19:59 |
| perlmonkey21 | oh, so no diff for Shelf? | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | Oh. I pasted the entire file. | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | Manual Diff: Lines 45-52. Line 304. | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | Language file starts at line 72. | 20:01 |
| SDuensin | Minor changes. | 20:01 |
| perlmonkey21 | hmm, looks good to me. | 20:02 |
| SDuensin | I didn't look at the 7.6.x tree. It needs put in there yet. | 20:03 |
| SDuensin | BBIAF - Gonna get food before my teleconference starts. | 20:03 |
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| SDuensin | Quiet in here today. | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | muy | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | did you get your pagination work done? | 21:22 |
| SDuensin | Yep! | 21:22 |
| SDuensin | I need to do it in 7.6.x and check it in. | 21:23 |
| SDuensin | I'm watching a webinar on WaveMaker at the moment. It's giving me crazy ideas. | 21:23 |
| * SDuensin wants to add a custom application builder to WebGUI. | 21:25 | |
| +perlDreamer | Isn't that what Thingy is supposed to be? | 21:26 |
| SDuensin | But MORE! | 21:26 |
| SDuensin | GUI layout, scripted logic for advanced stuff, etc. | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | What's the URL for the staff blog on pb.com? | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | for its RSS feed? | 21:37 |
| * SDuensin can't believe there doesn't seem to be a GUI Builder for YUI yet. | 21:39 | |
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| +perlDreamer | if anyone notices that the demo server is slow, it's my wife's fault | 21:48 |
| SDuensin | hehehehe | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | she likes the initial site designer | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we need to fold that into the template wizard | 21:49 |
| SDuensin | Me too, but my god! What colors! Ack! | 21:49 |
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| Lisette | I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver? | 22:15 |
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| Lisette | i can do this in a workflow? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ea86eb9 | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, not really. | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflows are not called with form parameters | 23:00 |
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| Lisette | then how to do to get the values of those fields? | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't use a workflow | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to make an asset, operation, URL plugin or a Content plugin | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | like making a new paydriver | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that is a Content plugin (sub-type) | 23:09 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8885 /experimental/HelpDesk/docs/HelpDesk: remove unused directories | 23:36 |
| Lisette | I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver? | 23:36 |
| @preaction | Lisette: and what have you tried? | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | she tried to make a workflow | 23:37 |
| @preaction | is this like a paypal thing? | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a driver postback from gateway kind of thing | 23:38 |
| @preaction | it would post back to some ?shop=cart;method=gatewayPostback or something? | 23:42 |
| Lisette | yes | 23:49 |
| Lisette | somethig like that you say | 23:49 |
| Lisette | i have verified the value of a variable for to show the message thank you | 23:49 |
| Lisette | i have this in a paydriver | 23:50 |
| Lisette | perlDreamer the workflow was for a CS for the content managers can create products. | 23:50 |
| Lisette | are two things different | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 23:51 |
| Lisette | are two different questions, the first is that if you could do in a workflow to be able to take the values and create the product through a collaborative system, and the second is how do I get to make a site that is not done and WebGUI obtain the values of the form | 23:53 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8886 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm docs/changelog): | 00:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Do not format the dateAssigned field if it's empty. Otherwise | 00:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: session->datetime will choose "now" as the time for you. | 00:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8887 /translations/Polish/Polish/AuthWebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 00:06 |
| daviddelikat | so I'm just getting started here, diggin into tickets and code... | 00:15 |
| daviddelikat | im working on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9150 and steping through the JS code | 00:15 |
| SDuensin | Howdy daviddelikat | 00:15 |
| * SDuensin is a n00b, too. | 00:15 | |
| daviddelikat | what seems to be happenning is the 'add column' code is cloning the old column and it fails | 00:15 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: are you looking at the edit schema dialog code or the code that processes that dialog? there's no cloning going on with the actual datatable, just insert and delete | 00:17 |
| daviddelikat | it is calling form.getelement('removeColumn_1') but the column id is 'yui-gen3-button' | 00:17 |
| daviddelikat | I'm looking at the code that runs when you press the add column button | 00:17 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: but that's not the code causing the problem. the column is not added to the data table right away, only after Save is clicked | 00:18 |
| @preaction | or maybe i'm wrong, the bug report is unclear | 00:18 |
| daviddelikat | to be honest I couldn't say where it is in the system, fire bug put it up when i pushed the button | 00:18 |
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| daviddelikat | it looks like it is trying to add a column to the table in the shadow box that pops up when you push the edit schema button. | 00:20 |
| SDuensin | OK, when I do my changes for the Shelf, do you want me to add on to the latest upgrade package, too? | 00:23 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: are you adding a feature or is it a bugfix? | 00:24 |
| SDuensin | Kinda both. It had no way to set the page size for pagination. | 00:24 |
| SDuensin | So it does something new, but it's something it should have done anyway. | 00:25 |
| @preaction | it's something new though, so a new feature, so it would have to go into a beta version, but we're under a feature freeze right now, so only JT can approve non-bugfix commits to HEAD | 00:25 |
| SDuensin | OK, well I have the changes in my SVN here. I can commit whenever. | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | I really needed it for a client, so I'll just deploy to my own site for now. | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | Maybe. | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 00:26 |
| @preaction | personally, i'd make it into a patch and save it in /data/WebGUI/patches so that you can apply it again if you have to upgrade webgui before the change goes into core | 00:27 |
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| SDuensin | Might do that. Not gonna sweat it just yet. I still have to write the rest of the crazy ass navigation system they want that needs it. | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Does anyone know why the Product is set to be a container in the default WebGUI.conf file? | 00:35 |
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| @Haarg | nope | 00:41 |
| @Haarg | seems odd | 00:42 |
| Lisette | preaction, how to do "?shop=cart;method=gatewayPostback" in a paydriver? | 00:42 |
| @preaction | Lisette: i don't know. perhaps look at WebGUI::Content::Shop to see how methods get dispatched? | 00:42 |
| Lisette | ok, thanks | 00:49 |
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| perlmonkey21 | Scalar::Util::weaken unavailable during install of Class::InsideOut. That error ring a bell with anyone? | 01:08 |
| patspam | perlmonkey21: hola | 01:10 |
| perlmonkey21 | hello patspam | 01:10 |
| perlmonkey21 | what's the word? | 01:10 |
| patspam | just reading your comments on survey bundles | 01:10 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8888 /translations/Polish/Polish/VersionTag.pm: Update from translation server | 01:10 |
| perlmonkey21 | patspam: link? | 01:11 |
| patspam | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9232 | 01:11 |
| patspam | do you mean the originals would be immutable? | 01:11 |
| perlmonkey21 | well that would be easiest. To graft on a changeable system to the current one. | 01:11 |
| perlmonkey21 | But the question types could be taken completely out of the code and then mutability would be optional. | 01:12 |
| patspam | yeah. ideally I'd like to be able to disable the existing bundles that aren't relevant to my site | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey21: You are working on a red hat system for this C::IO install? | 01:13 |
| perlmonkey21 | patspam: could even make their definitions export/importable. | 01:13 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: err, I didn't even look at the OS :P | 01:13 |
| patspam | yeah that'd be sweet | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Red Hat's Scalar::Util package has been known to be bad for a long time | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | if they are using WRE, probably fine, but double check your path | 01:14 |
| perlmonkey21 | ELxenU | 01:14 |
| patspam | where do you envisage the admin interface for it living? | 01:14 |
| perlmonkey21 | patspam: good question. I think the best place would be to add some tabs to the editor view to allow question types to be altered/deleted/added. | 01:15 |
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| perlmonkey21 | as eventually another tab will have to be added to break out random word lists from individual questions | 01:15 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: yes, it is using the WRE. | 01:16 |
| patspam | asset edit or survey edit screen? | 01:16 |
| perlmonkey21 | Wondering if there is some C::IO gotcha, as I know I've ran into this before, but don't recall how I resolved it. | 01:16 |
| Lisette | i do a post in one CS and verified in the database the userdefined* and this is in null, why? | 01:16 |
| perlmonkey21 | patspam: survey edit screen | 01:16 |
| perlmonkey21 | asset edit would be a little awkward and not give us the fast AJAX editing interface. | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, when you posted to the CS, did you fill out the userdefined fields? | 01:17 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: you're a contractor now, maybe I can hire you to wrap this up for me. It's nearly done, just needs some trial runs through the updates and a little testing :D | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey21: I'm fully booked. You'd have to talk to my bosses. | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Or outbid them :=) | 01:18 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: who's your boss? | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I work for a very, very nice man in Australia | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and a very, very nice man in Wisconsin | 01:18 |
| @preaction | but what about plainblack? | 01:18 |
| perlmonkey21 | and I can't outbid as I'd have to pay double for this job. | 01:18 |
| Lisette | the userdefined i used to like a form, i fill this fields and when i do a post this is null | 01:18 |
| perlmonkey21 | preaction: those jokers would just assign it back to me. | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, that could very well be a bug. Can you duplicate it on a demo site? | 01:19 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey21: those jerks... someone should talk to them | 01:19 |
| perlmonkey21 | preaction: how are things with you? still reveling in your fame and glory from your last trip? | 01:20 |
| @preaction | ha! drudging through performance issues in WebGUI | 01:20 |
| Lisette | wait me a moment i verified something | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | What? WebGUI has performance issues? Blasphemy | 01:20 |
| patspam | preaction: are you using NYTProf? | 01:22 |
| @preaction | patspam: yesm | 01:22 |
| perlmonkey21 | hmm, is it even possible to run 7.4/7.5 on WRE 0.7.2? | 01:22 |
| patspam | legend! | 01:22 |
| @Haarg | it may be perlmonkey21, but i wouldn't want to try it | 01:22 |
| patspam | I had it on my todo to sit down and learn it properly, and then focus its bottleneck destroying beam on webgui | 01:23 |
| perlmonkey21 | Haarg: heh, okay, I guess I should update the WRE also, even though that wasn't specc'd. | 01:23 |
| Lisette | perlDreamer i use 7.5.25 the demo site what version is? | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.5.35 | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | That's why I asked. This bug may have been fixed in the latest version of WebGUI. | 01:24 |
| Lisette | you sure? there is not 7.6.x? | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, for demo.webgui.org, it is 7.5.35. for beta.webgui.org, it is 7.6.5 | 01:25 |
| Lisette | ok, i do in the demo site, wait me please | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | yo espero con pacienca y grazia | 01:25 |
| Lisette | bueno, entonces espereme mientras yo creo un nuevo CS y le cambio las plantillas | 01:26 |
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| Lisette | listo, ya lo hice | 01:47 |
| Lisette | perlDreamer, i do in the demo site, how to do to verified? | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, you can set up a SQL Report to check the db and make sure that your data is in there. | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the other option is to change the View Thread template to display userDefined values. | 01:52 |
| Lisette | how to do the second option? | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Double checking | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Edit the CS | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Choose the Display tab | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | For the "Collaboration System Thread Template", choose Edit | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that will take you to the template | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | add the userdefined variables to inside the post_loop | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | save | 02:01 |
| Lisette | yo ya hice eso y no me las muestra | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | what is the URL for the demo server? | 02:02 |
| Lisette | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1228864608_433/home/pruebas/productos | 02:06 |
| Lisette | do you see anything? | 02:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think the template variables are in the correct place in the template | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's set up a SQL Report instead | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | the SQL report says empty, too | 02:13 |
| Lisette | then i have to check my template? | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | if it displays the form, then there shouldn't be any Post Form template problems | 02:21 |
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| Lisette | then what is the problem? :-/ | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | That is a very good question. | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | On my dev site, it is working fine | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I put userDefined form variables into the template, then do a SQL query | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and they all show up | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | on the demo site, however, they do not | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | they do not show up in the db, nor in the post template | 02:38 |
| Lisette | mmmm | 02:39 |
| Lisette | what is your version? | 02:39 |
| Lisette | you do this with the same template? | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I am using one version up, 7.5.36 (from SVN) | 02:43 |
| Lisette | and the template? | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | A little different. | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I set up a new demo site that is working fine | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1228869202_300/home | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | so i suspect there is something funny about your template | 02:45 |
| Lisette | ok, im going to check, thank so much perlDreamer | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | You're welcome, Lisette | 02:48 |
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| Lisette | i have another question perlDreamer, the template by default is the same in the version 7.4.x and 7.5.x? | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | they may be the same, Lisette. You would have to go through the changelog and check. | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | even then, it is hard to tell since some bugs are not well written | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you suspect a problem from the upgrade? | 02:52 |
| Lisette | no | 02:53 |
| Lisette | the template is made by another person, but this person have the version 7.4.x and i 7.5.25 | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisette, that can work sometimes, but it's not the safest way to do development. | 02:55 |
| Mech422 | and here we have a solution looking for a webgui 'problem' to solve: http://www.danga.com/mogilefs/ | 02:57 |
| Lisette | ok, thanks | 02:57 |
| Lisette | i put your template in my dev site and now works! | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Tengo curiosidad que la diferencia entre las plantissas es. | 03:20 |
| Lisette | platillas | 03:49 |
| Lisette | plantillas | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | si, plantillas. Gracias | 04:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8889 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 04:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Have testEnvironment.pl crap out if it can't find the required modules. | 04:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Change the pay driver to use the user supplied label, rather than the module type for | 04:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: labels and buttons. | 04:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8890 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Flesh out the ResponseJSON test more. Add POD. | 04:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8891 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 04:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Forward port PayDriver button and labeling fix. | 04:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Forward port testEnvironment fix for not having prerequisite perl modules. | 04:58 |
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| patspam | would it be hard to make Wg:Form:Combo dynamicCompatible? | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem comes when you need to add to the list of possible values. | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the form element has to have some kind of callback to its parent | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | is the combo box a show stopper for you in the survey? | 05:48 |
| patspam | no, i was running up against it in Thingy | 05:51 |
| patspam | but should be ok, I'm implementing an Wg::Form::AutoComplete using YUI instead | 05:51 |
| @preaction | autocomplete? | 05:52 |
| @preaction | i'd be careful, those things are nasty on the server | 05:52 |
| patspam | yeah, a yui-powered autocomplete box | 05:52 |
| patspam | nah using a pre-populated js array, no ajax | 05:52 |
| patspam | eg. the possible values become the js array | 05:53 |
| @preaction | ah | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | this is embarassing | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I need some CGI help | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | for the translation server | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the forms are all setup to redirect to / | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and I can't get / to call up and run the translation server | 05:53 |
| @preaction | so it's a configuration issue? | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | it has to be | 05:55 |
| @preaction | did you check the error log? | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:56 |
| @preaction | and? | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Attempt to serve directory: /data/domains/mywebgui.localdomain/www/cgi/ | 05:56 |
| @preaction | do you have a DirectoryIndex index.cgi <- in your configuration? | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | DirectoryIndex translationserver.cgi | 05:57 |
| @preaction | oh right | 05:58 |
| @preaction | and DocumentRoot is that directory? no trailing /? | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll paste the config | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5e60157b | 05:59 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: no SetHandler perl-script, that's bad | 06:02 |
| @preaction | it forces all requests to be handled by perl-script, overriding cgi-script for .cgi | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that the vanilla mod_perl/cgi config? | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll remove it and try it anyway | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no change | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | still trying to serve up a directory | 06:04 |
| @preaction | mod_perl != CGI | 06:04 |
| @preaction | both SetHandlers? | 06:04 |
| @preaction | there are two i saw | 06:04 |
| @preaction | also, get rid of the ModPerl::Registry stuff, and the PerlOptions, we don't need them | 06:05 |
| @preaction | this is just boring CGI | 06:05 |
| @preaction | oh, also <Directory /> refers to the / of your filesystem | 06:05 |
| @preaction | you want <Location /> | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e8d2542 | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw, time for kids | 06:10 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: scriptalias isn't necessary, also i believe it needs to be "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl" but i might be wrong there | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | that did it. Thanks preaction | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | man, all that work to test a 12 character fix | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's better than committing blind, and breaking something | 06:46 |
| @preaction | true enough | 06:49 |
| @preaction | i had to go through that much when i had a fix for that thing too, so don't feel bad ;) | 06:49 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: CGI scripts don't need rebooting. the interpreter is reloaded and the script rerun every request | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember that much, preaction :) | 06:55 |
| @preaction | oh. someone has to install the fix | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, on PB's server | 06:55 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8892 /tools/translationserver.cgi: decode translators notes as utf8 to handle foreigh characters. | 08:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8893 /WebGUI/t/ (Storage.t Storage/Image.t): remove remnants of caseInsensitiveOS in tests | 08:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8894 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixing misuse of pod for commenting out code | 08:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8895 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.6 release | 08:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8896 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.6-beta: Release 7.6.6-beta | 08:40 |
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| * Radix-wrk cheats and jumps a little ahead in preparation ;) | 08:41 | |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8897 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.7 dev | 09:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8898 /branch/WebGUI_flux/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): | 09:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Flagging of invalid Survey fields now uses CSS classes instead of <font> tags | 09:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: (for skinnability) | 09:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8899 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'thingy' into flux | 09:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8900 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Form/AutoComplete.pm Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Added experimental WebGUI::Form::AutoComplete | 09:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8901 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Style tweaks to AutoComplete | 09:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8902 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Some bug fixes to AutoComplete.pm | 09:15 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8903 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Updated AutoComplete documentation | 09:40 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: do you have a patch for your fix? if so, I can commit it for you | 01:26 |
| xdanger | yeah! there was a fire in out power distribution room today... | 01:26 |
| xdanger | from afternoon until midnight | 01:26 |
| xdanger | without power | 01:27 |
| @preaction | xdanger: nice. how's your data? | 01:27 |
| xdanger | that's fine. The fire was in the building opposite of us | 01:27 |
| @preaction | that's good at least | 01:28 |
| xdanger | just that the whole datacenter was out, and the electricity company recovered us last | 01:28 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: I am working that out now. I have some old habits like code reviews and such that I have to get over in this opensource world.... | 01:28 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: they're not bad habits, before i commit someone else's code, i will definately be reviewing it | 01:29 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: thanks, I feel better now. | 01:29 |
| @preaction | it just might be faster for me to do it, since i've been inundated in the webgui coding guidelines and best practices | 01:29 |
| @preaction | also, because i wrote the datatable and really want this bug to be fixed (it worked fine when i checked it in, i swear to god) | 01:30 |
| daviddelikat | I used to do that too (swear) but I learned better now. | 01:30 |
| @preaction | F/OSS doesn't mean you get to forgoe those programming practices that are useful and encourage good code, though the "having to get a non-programmer's approval" is one thing that's done away with | 01:31 |
| daviddelikat | so i don't have to explain what i did to a rock? | 01:32 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8913 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/DomainName.pm): | 01:35 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: improved dns zone file generation | 01:35 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: removed alias number on site listings without one | 01:35 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: added imap/pop/smtp/webmail info on mail management screen | 01:35 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: patch is posted to http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9150 | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: seems like everything's in order. one note: your whitespace was a bit mixed up, prevented the patch getting applied the first time. WebGUI sets indents at 4 chars and uses spaces instead of tab (dunno if that was your problem or not) | 02:13 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: but now the important bit: Who gets credit for this bugfix in the changelog? | 02:14 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: is this like a race? its my first time. where's the change log? am i too late? aaahhh!!! | 02:22 |
| daviddelikat | I guess I was hoping i could get =credit for it | 02:23 |
| daviddelikat | :) | 02:23 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: no, you ARE getting credit for it, i just need to know who you are. are you "David Delikat" or "Deli Kat Solutions, Inc." | 02:25 |
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| daviddelikat | preaction: oh, sorry for the drama, too much coffee... just David Delikat will do | 02:29 |
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| @preaction | k, sounds good | 02:29 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: doug * r8914 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9150: Edit Data Table - Cannot add column (David Delikat) | 02:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | nice work david :) | 02:42 |
| @preaction | indeed. that code looks much more useful now | 02:42 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 02:42 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm looking at http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9217 | 03:14 |
| daviddelikat | i managed to reproduce it, and I also noticed that it always asks for a new section | 03:15 |
| daviddelikat | is this the way it is supposed to be? | 03:15 |
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| elnino | not webgui related - just wondering if anyone has a recommended web - tree control that I can move items around between levels and then save the heirarchy? | 06:10 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Ooooh.. wierd.. "Revisions In Tag: Visitor / 12/ 3/2008 11:12 am" | 07:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | Really odd.. Visitor has made five changes to a thread in forum that is internal only according to the version tag. | 07:25 |
| daviddelikat | does anybody know the connect string for the database? or where i can find it? | 07:30 |
| daviddelikat | found it... | 07:34 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8915 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added tooltips to Matrix attributes | 17:20 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | Greasings! | 17:47 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8916 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/DomainName.pm: fixed deleting from server | 18:21 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8917 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.36/shopping-cart-collateral-items_address-default.wgpkg: Internationalize the title of the add address screen. | 18:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8918 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.6/shopping-cart-collateral-items_address-default.wgpkg: Forward port address book title i18n fix | 18:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8919 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Template the ITransact add credentials screen. | 18:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8920 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Forward port templated ITransact edit credentials screen. | 18:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8921 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the read more link in the syndicated articles template. | 18:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8922 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port syndicated articles i18n template fix | 18:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | can you upgrade directly from wre 7.2 to 8.5? | 19:03 |
| @Haarg | wre? | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | there is no direct upgrade path from 0.7 to 0,8 | 19:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: so how would you get a 0.7.2 to an 0.8 series? | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | you have to do a clean install of 0.8, then import the needed files, databases | 19:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | do we have a wiki explaining how to do all that? | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:13 |
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| @tavisto | perldreamer, I noticed that the payment driver label issue has been resolved in the 7.6.6... that's awesome | 19:34 |
| @tavisto | or actually I guess that was more of an RFE.. but it's cool either way | 19:35 |
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| wgGuest22 | Hey guys I'm upgrading from 7.4.21 to the current stable. I know I need to upgrade to 7.4.40 first. Are there any other intermediate upgrades I need to make along the path? Right now when I move to 7.4.40 I'm getting an error saying that my site's conf file is invalid. | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, it was registered as two different bugs | 20:07 |
| @preaction | wgGuest22: what do the gotchas say? | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | so it got fixed | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest22 /data/WebGUI/docs/gotchas.txt | 20:09 |
| wgGuest22 | I read the gotchas and only saw the 7.4.40. | 20:09 |
| wgGuest22 | I've already made all the CPAN updates included therein | 20:10 |
| wgGuest22 | I only check the gotchas in 7.5.31. I'll read the gotchas from 7.4.40 and see what they say. | 20:11 |
| @preaction | the 7.5.31 gotchas include the ones from 7.4.40 | 20:13 |
| @tavisto | excellent | 20:14 |
| @tavisto | that's great perldreamer | 20:14 |
| @tavisto | it's one of those... "this should be simple and make sense" and it didnt previously | 20:14 |
| @tavisto | :) | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we did fix this once, but it wasn't the right fix | 20:14 |
| @tavisto | well it looks like you did it the right way now and it works exactly as a non-technical person setting up a webgui-based store would think :) | 20:16 |
| wgGuest22 | I only see the 7.4.40 step. Any thoughts on what may cause my sites conf file to throw an error? I'm on WRE 0.8.3 Do I need to upgrade/reinstall that as well? | 20:19 |
| @Haarg | what is the exact error you are seeing? | 20:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest22: why don't you paste the error that you are seeing into a pastebin: webgui.pastebin.com. Then post the URL that it gives you back here. | 20:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: safe to commit still? | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 last bug for today | 21:20 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it _is_ your bug, so I figured you might want it fixed | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you're killing me Haarg | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | here I try to be nice by fixing all your bugs | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and you keep submitting more | 21:25 |
| @Haarg | heh | 21:25 |
| @Haarg | which one this time? | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the LDAP one | 21:25 |
| @Haarg | ah | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but tabb passed me the fix for the site starter floats issue | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's in | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy's been using the site starter and template wizards, and I have a whole bunch of ideas for 7.7 | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | like making them one and the same | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and adding a right nav option, in addition to left and top | 21:27 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8923 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/Asset.t: add test for quote processing in fixTitle | 21:30 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8924 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix CSS style issue with clearing floats in site starter template | 21:30 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8925 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: forward porting quotes in asset title fixTitle test | 21:30 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8926 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm): Forward porting site starter css fix for clears and page content positioning. | 21:30 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8927 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (5 files): data scrubing scripts | 21:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | unbelieveable. I can't use dates from Shawshank since they're all before 1970 | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | no negative numbers? | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | that could acually be something extra worth putting in tests | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | negative epochs? | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:41 |
| @preaction | You can check on Perl's status here: http://isperlalive.com/ | 21:51 |
| Bernd_ | Can someone help me with understanding Aspects? | 21:53 |
| Bernd_ | I am trying to understand a comment by JT, in which he claimed | 21:53 |
| Bernd_ | that Assets and Aspects do not come magically together. | 21:53 |
| Bernd_ | But they require some glue. | 21:53 |
| Bernd_ | I just had a look at WikiPage, which uses the Comments aspect. | 21:54 |
| Bernd_ | I cannot see any glue there. | 21:54 |
| Bernd_ | All it does is inherit Comments. | 21:54 |
| Bernd_ | And that is exactly how I would have expected it to work. | 21:54 |
| Bernd_ | What am I missing? | 21:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8928 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 21:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Change ResponseJSON to use a proper mutator for startTime. | 21:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add tests for startTime. | 21:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Survey uses the accessor, and no longer needs to manually set startTime. | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: that's the whole glue. The magic is done by Class::C3 | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: under what circumstancees does it say "No"? | 21:58 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: it doesn't :p | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | heh | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | snort | 21:58 |
| Bernd_ | So what does he mean then by this remark: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/the-death-of-the-collaboration-system/14 | 21:58 |
| @preaction | Bernd_: it means there may be Aspects that require more glue code than just "use base ( myAspect )" | 21:59 |
| Bernd_ | But isn't that rather a matter of proper encapsulation? | 22:00 |
| Bernd_ | If Aspect.pm is designed properly, inheritage should always be sufficient. | 22:00 |
| Bernd_ | inheritance | 22:00 |
| SDuensin | How on earth can I downgrade/upgrade my server and only have *one* site not work? | 22:00 |
| Bernd_ | preaction, right or wrong? | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: Aspects provide additional methods to any Asset | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so, for example, in the WikiPage, you'll see that it makes a call to $self->getFormattedComments | 22:02 |
| @preaction | Bernd_: no. aspects may require information from the asset, or the asset may have to make a choice on how the aspect should carry out a certain task. | 22:02 |
| wgGuest22 | I'm back. I was having a problem upgrading to 7.4.40. I tried upgrading a backup verson of webgui but am running into the same error. I've uploaded the error message to http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6173a6fc | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | all that you needed to do to get that method was use inheritance | 22:02 |
| Bernd_ | perlDreaer, so there is some glue even in WikiPage. | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:03 |
| Bernd_ | I missed that one since I was only looking for $self->next::something calls. | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and, in general, like preaction said, it may require more glue, method calls | 22:04 |
| Bernd_ | Alright, I got it then. | 22:04 |
| Bernd_ | Thanks for helping me understand. | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | sure :) | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest22: did you check your config file for JSON syntax errors? | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | missing and/or extra commas | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | unquoted strings? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and the like | 22:05 |
| wgGuest22 | I looked through it and didn't see anything unusual. I saw on instance of empty [] but I saw that in another conf file too. The site is/was loading fine. | 22:06 |
| Bernd_ | perlDreamer, but why not create some plug-in architecture to allow Comments to register and fill its own template variables? | 22:06 |
| Bernd_ | That way you could totally avoid the glue. | 22:06 |
| wgGuest22 | I did update the JSON module per the Gotcha. Would that affect how the file is read? | 22:07 |
| Bernd_ | Overriding the view method would not work. | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: No, it would have to have broken out template variable setting methods, like in the Calendar | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but that concept would work fine | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | except that it would limit where comments can be used | 22:07 |
| @preaction | yeah, that would limit flexibility | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you have no idea in which method the "parent" would have comments | 22:08 |
| Bernd_ | But doesn't it all come down to adding template variables and properties? | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:08 |
| wgGuest22 | I am running WRE 0.8.3 I didn't see anything in the gotchas about that. Could this be an issue? | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | What about adding a "templateVariables" method to Asset, which returns a ref to the respective structure. | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | That one could be overridden and extended by Aspects. | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | Later on it is called by the view method, a template processed and the result returned. | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: template variables change based on the individual screen | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | No glue needed. | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | Screen? I cannot follow. | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | Can you give an example? | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | www_view is one "screen" for an asset | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the default, and most common one | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but in the gallery, it could be called www_viewAlbum | 22:10 |
| Bernd_ | And www_edit is another one? | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and www_viewAlbum would have different template variables from www_view | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | And how do we switch between them? | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | Is that done by ?func=somehting ? | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | something | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | func=view is the default. func=edit | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | would call www_edit | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | I see. | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what preaction meant by a lack of flexibility | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | But wouldn't have the Aspect to aware of screens anyhow? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it just adds a form, and some html code for displaying | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't care who calls it | 22:12 |
| @preaction | the aspect can add screens, could override screens, but we currently have no method of combining two www_screen methods into one output | 22:12 |
| Bernd_ | Hm. | 22:13 |
| Bernd_ | But how many different screens would you expect for the comments aspect? | 22:13 |
| Bernd_ | Is it really that much of a loss in flexibility? | 22:13 |
| @preaction | if we took a page out of the MVC handbook, and had www_screen return an object that could create an HTML page (instead of the HTML itself), then we could use that object to add or modify stuff | 22:13 |
| @preaction | Bernd_: there already is a getTemplateVars convention being used in a lot of places in WebGUI | 22:14 |
| Bernd_ | Uh. Can't follow. | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: for the cost of 1 line of code, the current aspect can be used on any screen | 22:14 |
| Bernd_ | But it is not plug'n'play. | 22:15 |
| Bernd_ | You always have to add some code. | 22:15 |
| Bernd_ | Individual solutions in each case. | 22:15 |
| @preaction | the problem with a getTemplateVars method is that it has to be cheap, because you might want to use those template variables in other pages. (the Gallery, for example, uses getTemplateVars from GalleryAlbum, which uses getTemplateVars from GalleryFile) | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not fully automated, but again, the cost is low | 22:15 |
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| Bernd_ | The reason I am interested in Aspects is because of the discussion with JT I have mentioned before. | 22:16 |
| @preaction | Bernd_: to elaborate on the "www_ returns an object": Instead of "www_view" returning an HTML string, it returns a WebGUI::Response object containing the raw variables, the template to use, the style template to use, and later in the request we can combine them together to get the HTML | 22:16 |
| Bernd_ | Sounds good to me. | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | So why not? | 22:17 |
| @preaction | that complicates things, and completely destroys the API | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | There is always a time to make things better. | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | Let us rewrite WebGUI from scratch :-) | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | You would have to do the work, of course. | 22:18 |
| @preaction | WebGUI 8 is the time we can break the API | 22:18 |
| Bernd_ | Where can I post RFEs? | 22:18 |
| Bernd_ | But seriously, would that be interesting to change the www_ methods? | 22:18 |
| Bernd_ | I believe it would be really cool, if you could extend existing Assets by some kind of plug'n'play architecture. | 22:19 |
| Bernd_ | That would allow non-perl programmers to do a lot of cool stuff. | 22:19 |
| Bernd_ | Coming back to the CS: | 22:19 |
| Bernd_ | You would not have decide between the HelpDesk, blog, forum etc. | 22:20 |
| Bernd_ | But could combine your CS out of a basic CS class and mixing in all kinds of Aspects. | 22:20 |
| @preaction | Bernd_: i've been advocating that change for a while | 22:20 |
| Bernd_ | You are my man! | 22:20 |
| Bernd_ | Let me guess: JT said no? | 22:20 |
| @preaction | no, afaik JT likes it but it's an API break | 22:21 |
| @preaction | we're not talking the normal "oh, this might affect a few people" break, it's a "This changes how all assets must be written" break | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | I am totally aware of it. | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | Lots of work. Lots of new bugs to fix. | 22:21 |
| @preaction | well, it would be possible to determine if the asset returned a string or an object, but what about those utilities that expect a string and instead get an object? | 22:22 |
| @preaction | so it wouldn't be too bad really | 22:22 |
| Bernd_ | But good news for perlDreamer: he won't run out of work. | 22:22 |
| Bernd_ | So is there a realistic chance, this will come in WebGUI 8? | 22:23 |
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| Bernd_ | Once again, where can I propose this/start a discussion? | 22:23 |
| Bernd_ | The dev forum? | 22:23 |
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| @preaction | there is a possibility, and once there's an open RFE, a discussion could be started on the dev forum, yes | 22:24 |
| Bernd_ | I will try to put it in simple words and open an RFE. | 22:24 |
| Lisette | There is a way to make filters with thingy? | 22:25 |
| rizen_ | Bernd_: hates me | 22:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | eek, it's rizen! | 22:26 |
| Bernd_ | Who does? Me? | 22:26 |
| Bernd_ | Why do you think so? | 22:26 |
| Lisette | anyone knows about thingy? | 22:27 |
| Bernd_ | Have I shown my dislike too openly :-P | 22:27 |
| Bernd_ | I must be more careful in the future. | 22:28 |
| @rizen | because you plague me with this request | 22:29 |
| @rizen | i don't want it | 22:29 |
| @rizen | even if it were possible | 22:29 |
| Bernd_ | Who cares? | 22:29 |
| Bernd_ | preaction said you like it. | 22:30 |
| @rizen | you should, since i get to decide if it goes in | 22:30 |
| @rizen | no preaction was talking about returning objects from www_ methods | 22:30 |
| @preaction | i think he means the one you've been discussing in the forums | 22:30 |
| Bernd_ | It is not really for me. | 22:30 |
| @rizen | not the crazy pluggable cs thing | 22:30 |
| Bernd_ | WebGUI already has all I want. | 22:30 |
| @rizen | then why are you arguing it? | 22:30 |
| Bernd_ | Because I believe it is an extremely useful feature. | 22:31 |
| Bernd_ | Very powerful and probably unique. | 22:31 |
| Bernd_ | Why no plugins for the CS? | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: you want it to be fully automated, with the only "glue" code involved being inheriting from the Aspect? | 22:31 |
| Bernd_ | Right. | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | or something different? | 22:32 |
| Bernd_ | No. | 22:32 |
| Bernd_ | The task would be to redesign Asset in a way, | 22:32 |
| Bernd_ | overriding existing methods would be sufficient. | 22:32 |
| Bernd_ | What is so bad about it? | 22:32 |
| @rizen | there are many things bad about it | 22:32 |
| Bernd_ | Sounds like proper class design to me?! | 22:33 |
| Bernd_ | I am reading... | 22:33 |
| @rizen | 1) when someone decides they'll plug in their own BS class which then destroys something, but they blame it on WG | 22:33 |
| @preaction | it's proper class design only when you're talking about single inheritence | 22:33 |
| @rizen | 2) it's more complicated and produces less flexibility (because the glue that you're worried about provides flexibility) | 22:34 |
| Bernd_ | BS = bull shit? | 22:34 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:34 |
| Bernd_ | Is there a 3) to come? | 22:34 |
| @rizen | 3) aspects are not necessarily designed to play well together, but with this approach you'll be forcing them to be, which isn't necessarily desirable | 22:34 |
| Bernd_ | Ok, stop it. I have had enough. | 22:35 |
| Bernd_ | Alternative suggestion: | 22:35 |
| @rizen | 4) the more aspects you plug together, the slower the asset will become...but users won't think "oh this giant megalith asset i just created is too damn big and that's why it's so slow", they'll think "WebGUI is a slow pile of shit" | 22:35 |
| Bernd_ | What about packing all the glue into a separate class that can be plugged into the CS? | 22:36 |
| Bernd_ | That would be a compromise. | 22:36 |
| @rizen | no, cuz you're still making the glue already in a hard form | 22:36 |
| @rizen | so it's inflexible | 22:36 |
| Bernd_ | That is one separate class per Aspect that should be made pluggable. | 22:36 |
| Bernd_ | How much flexibility do you need for the CS? | 22:36 |
| @rizen | and it makes the slowness and complexity problems even bigger | 22:36 |
| Bernd_ | But since you plug only the Aspects you need, why should there be a performance drawback? | 22:37 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: if you have to ask that question, you aren't even in a position to be discussing this | 22:37 |
| Bernd_ | Which one? | 22:37 |
| @rizen | either | 22:37 |
| @rizen | both | 22:37 |
| Bernd_ | Hm. Not sure what you mean. | 22:38 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer, preaction, or any other dev here. have i said anything above that is untrue or even slightly misrepresented? | 22:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Okay, I'm trying to update wre 0.7.2 to 0.8.5. So I move the old wre to wretemp. MV WebGUI to WebGUItemp. Then deploy 0.8.5. When the wreconsole prompts for what type of install, I move WebGUItemp to WebGUI and chose manual. Now in the past, the wre then goes on to set up the mysql tables and init the wre. But now it just drops into the add a site menu, doing nothing else. | 22:39 |
| @preaction | i'm half paying attention, but no | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I think the stuff about calling webgui a slow pile of shit will happen regardless of aspect use or not. We've seen that with the site review on TBB. Aside from that, no. | 22:39 |
| @preaction | i'm not quite sure what exactly Bernd_ wants. is it a way for users to check off which features they want in their collaboration system? | 22:40 |
| @preaction | as the CS is created, on a per-CS basis? | 22:40 |
| Bernd_ | preaction, exactly that. | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | Users need beat. They call WebGUI slow before even trying it! I'm shocked how many see it's written in Perl and immediately write it off. :-( | 22:40 |
| @rizen | Bernd_ wants all the pieces of the CS turned into aspects (like i plan to do), but then wants a new CS asset that will allow him to pick which aspects (from all the aspects out there) to put into his new custom CS | 22:41 |
| @preaction | Bernd_: i would say that by just having all the aspects inside the CS, you can pick which ones you use, no? | 22:41 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: it can't set up databases for sites you don't have | 22:41 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: did you do a mysqldump of all your old databases before shutting down the old wre? | 22:42 |
| Bernd_ | preaction, but then we end up with the CS we already have. | 22:42 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: cuz you should have, and then import them into the new db | 22:42 |
| Bernd_ | The idea was to plug only what you need and keep the burden on the server low. | 22:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: yes, I have everything | 22:43 |
| Bernd_ | But if I got rizen correctly that would not be the case for whatever reason. | 22:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: so I should not do a manual deploy of the old WebGUI directoy | 22:43 |
| Bernd_ | Ok, seems like the discussion is over. | 22:45 |
| Bernd_ | Not going to bug you any further. | 22:45 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: i don't know exactly what you're trying to do, call me on skype and i'll walk you through it | 22:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | k | 22:47 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: the megalith cs is not going to happen | 22:47 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: but if you want to discuss it further i'm happy to | 22:47 |
| Bernd_ | No. No need. | 22:47 |
| Bernd_ | As I said - it is not for me particularly. | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I keep building test code that mimics the survey by accident | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | surveyOrder looks almost exactly like my buildSurveyDummy test method | 22:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: cause the survey is dumb? | 22:48 |
| Bernd_ | It just seems we do have very different perspectives. | 22:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: I don't see you online. | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no, because I keep reinventing the wheel | 22:48 |
| @preaction | it sounds like Bernd_ wants "plugins", not "Aspects". Aspect is an OO concept. Plugins sounds like they'd do what you'd want (a UI to choose which plugins are active for which instance of an asset) | 22:49 |
| Bernd_ | preaction, you are probably right. | 22:49 |
| Bernd_ | In fact, you could have both - aspects and plugins next to each other. | 22:49 |
| Bernd_ | Or actually write some code that uses Aspects to generate plugins. | 22:50 |
| * perlDreamer takes a break. be back in 30-45 | 22:50 | |
| Bernd_ | Should not be too difficult to implement for the CS. | 22:50 |
| Bernd_ | That was one of my original points. | 22:50 |
| @preaction | i understand your argument, but it would require a lot of work. especially the API and UI so that end-users would not get confused when things did not work as expected. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | the asset API itself would need to change to be easier for plugin developers (or even Possible) | 22:52 |
| @preaction | worst-case, we'd have to use Class::MOP or Moose for Assets | 22:53 |
| Bernd_ | We could start with a simple plugin API for the CS. | 22:53 |
| @preaction | in order to make Plugins even remotely useful | 22:53 |
| Bernd_ | That would be a starting point. | 22:53 |
| Bernd_ | It is going to be rewritten anyhow. | 22:53 |
| Bernd_ | For the CS it should really be sufficient to allow plugins to register template variables and properties. | 22:54 |
| @preaction | right, but how would they hook in? if you can write a proof-of-concept asset + plugin API, the argument might be a lot different | 22:54 |
| @preaction | why stop there when aspects can do so much more? | 22:54 |
| Bernd_ | The advantage of plugins is very simple: users do not have to touch the code, | 22:55 |
| Bernd_ | but they gain a lot of flexibility. | 22:55 |
| Bernd_ | Not everyone is a perl programmer. | 22:55 |
| Bernd_ | Most people are actually not. | 22:55 |
| Bernd_ | And it is quite difficult to extend WebGUI if you are not a professional. | 22:56 |
| Bernd_ | Many people are even hesitant to touch the templates. | 22:56 |
| Bernd_ | Now tell them to add some code. | 22:56 |
| Bernd_ | Sure, you could say these are not interesting customers. | 22:57 |
| @preaction | but they're not extending webgui, they'd be enabling someone else's extention. you could do the same thing by subclassing the CS | 22:57 |
| Bernd_ | Again, you are talking about writing perl code. | 22:58 |
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| @preaction | right, no matter what somebody has to write code | 22:58 |
| Bernd_ | I am thinking about some kind of web interface where you can just check the plugins you need. | 22:58 |
| Bernd_ | That is true. But the aspects are going to be written anyway. | 22:58 |
| Bernd_ | Putting the extra-code into some plugin class should not be too difficult. | 22:59 |
| Bernd_ | I just cannot see why it should be. | 22:59 |
| @preaction | it would be substantially more difficult, just building the UI and the foolproofing | 23:00 |
| nuxli | hey all | 23:00 |
| @preaction | nuxli: hello | 23:00 |
| nuxli | hows everyone today? | 23:00 |
| SDuensin | Confused, but good. Hi. | 23:00 |
| nuxli | anyone somewhere where its warm? | 23:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nuxli: it is 60F here? | 23:00 |
| nuxli | yep, Perl, thats warm!! | 23:01 |
| SDuensin | Beats my 38F. | 23:01 |
| nuxli | 20F here in Illinois | 23:01 |
| SDuensin | Where in IL, nuxli? I'm down south near St. Louis. | 23:01 |
| nuxli | sorry, 27F | 23:01 |
| nuxli | northern, west of Chicago | 23:01 |
| nuxli | which city by St L? | 23:02 |
| nuxli | I'm in Downers Grove | 23:02 |
| SDuensin | Not sure I'd call it a city. Little place called Smithton. (Who's web site will be in WebGUI soon!) | 23:02 |
| nuxli | hmm, sorry don't know of smithton | 23:02 |
| nuxli | I used to live in Carbondale. | 23:03 |
| SDuensin | That's closer. :-) | 23:03 |
| nuxli | haha yeah | 23:03 |
| nuxli | ok, real reason I'm in here (not that I don't like the smalltalk) | 23:04 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 23:04 |
| SDuensin | Smalltalk is cool. Try Squeak.org! :-P | 23:05 |
| nuxli | we have mysql running on a separate server than Webgui. I want to point it to another mysql server that we have copied the DB to. | 23:05 |
| SDuensin | Ok. | 23:06 |
| SDuensin | Just gotta change your confs. | 23:06 |
| nuxli | I change the conf file in /data/WebGui/etc to use the new mysql server in the 'dsn' line at the end of the conf, but it still is attached to the original server, even after reboots | 23:06 |
| SDuensin | Did you stop the current server? Maybe it's using the socket file to connect. I have that ANNOYING problem using GUI tools on my Mac. | 23:07 |
| SDuensin | Dumb things always pick my default MySQL server - even if I specify the port for the WebGUI one. Grrrr. | 23:07 |
| nuxli | but I've rebooted.. should I change it back to original, stop WebGui, change to new DB, then start WebGui? | 23:08 |
| SDuensin | Rebooted what? Your WebGUI box? | 23:09 |
| nuxli | yes | 23:09 |
| SDuensin | But does MySQL start up after reboot on that box? | 23:09 |
| Lisette | i have a question about thingy | 23:11 |
| Lisette | how to do to make filters with thingy? i can do that? | 23:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen: if you deploy more Bazaars on one site they share each others bazaar items in the overview | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess that's not by design? | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but rather a bug | 23:17 |
| nuxli | SD, no, we have disabled mysql from running on the WebGui box. it has always run on a separate server, we just want to point WebGui to use a new mysql server now. | 23:20 |
| @rizen | that's a bug | 23:20 |
| SDuensin | nuxli - That's odd. :-/ | 23:20 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: you have to understand that i developed the bazaar in 3 days (from scratch) and was really only concerned with it for webgui.org so it has zero polish or testing beyond the basics needed for that | 23:20 |
| Lisette | anyone know why in a workflow i get the userdefined by database of a post and shows me of values of the previous post | 23:21 |
| @rizen | since you're going to add some features to it, maybe i'll have to find some time during 7.7 dev cycle to polish it up and put it in the core. cuz there's also an RFE to put it in the core | 23:21 |
| Lisette | ? | 23:21 |
| nuxli | SD, there is more complexity to the whole issue, but i think at the just of it, that's essentially what we are doing. pointing it to a new DB server. the long version involves VMware and cloning. | 23:28 |
| * SDuensin loves VMware. | 23:28 | |
| SDuensin | I'll crawl all over my install and see what I can learn, but my WebGUI install right now is being broken, er, upgraded. | 23:29 |
| * Bernd_ is going to bed. Good night everyone. | 23:29 | |
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| nuxli | yeah, we broke ours yesterday, and fixed it with a DB restore, and VMware snapshot restore. and now thats why I'm cloning our setup into a test environment today! haha | 23:30 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 23:30 |
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| nuxli | SD there could be something else I am missing, but everythign looks correct. | 23:31 |
| nuxli | It should only be that one place in the conf file to change the DB server, correct? | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | I don't remember seeing a database setting outside the site's conf file. | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | Vuja-de! | 23:31 |
| @rizen | preaction: haarg tells me you have a recommendation on an SSH related perl module? | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: I totally understand. I asked that question, so that I could fix it if it is a bug. | 23:33 |
| @preaction | rizen: yes, Net::SSH2 | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | And that's also why I'm templating it and addin the features I emailed you about | 23:34 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: just making sure you didn't think my code quality was going down hill =) | 23:34 |
| @preaction | rizen: the problem is it requires libssh2, which our OS doesn't have. let me dig up the RPM i used if i can find it | 23:34 |
| * SDuensin shudders at "RPM" | 23:34 | |
| @rizen | preaction: libssh2 on just the machine with the module? or all machines it connects to? | 23:34 |
| @preaction | just the machine with the module | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't worry, I don't your code quality can sink even lower =) | 23:34 |
| * SDuensin chuckles | 23:35 | |
| @rizen | that's not biggy preaction, i'll just compile it | 23:35 |
| @preaction | k | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it is a bug then | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | good | 23:35 |
| @rizen | preaction: why is it the best? | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | It'll be fixed | 23:35 |
| @preaction | rizen: i couldn't get any of the other ones to work, period. but i was doing SFTP so that might have something to do with it | 23:35 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: i know, my code quality is pretty low, but since bazaar was a rush job, i think it's even lower | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok I could live with that | 23:37 |
| @rizen | preaction: i just need the ssh part handled for me, because on the other end i'll be attaching my own shell, so i'm just going to use ssh the way web sites use SSL | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | although it's a lame excuse =) | 23:37 |
| @preaction | rizen: then perhaps Net::SSH::Perl will work. the biggest problems i ran into was installing them, since they require a lot of different Crypt:: modules (not all of which seem to work right) | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | another bug | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | crap | 23:41 |
| SDuensin | Hey, when the upgrade to 7.6.5 does this: "Merging Template head blocks into the Extra Head Tags field." It ate some CSS. Is that just gone, or can I poke somewhere and find it? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, it's in the extraHeadTags block now | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | For that template, it says "None". :-/ | 23:46 |
| @rizen | preaction: yeah, though the WRE has a lot of crypt modules already installed...and i'll be installing it into the WRE, so maybe that will help | 23:46 |
| SDuensin | I can get it back from a backup. | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, I'd love to have a copy of that template for debugging. | 23:48 |
| SDuensin | All it had was a <style> tag and my CSS in the head box of 7.5.35. | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of template was it, which namespace? | 23:49 |
| SDuensin | "style" namespace. It was my site's main template. | 23:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8929 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: added email customer and email server customers options | 23:53 |
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| * SDuensin is *very* intrigued by rizen's SVN entries. | 23:54 | |
| @rizen | SDuensin: why is that? | 23:54 |
| SDuensin | Sounds like you're building what I'm building. :-) | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: according to the talk that we had in IRC, style templates don't use their extraHeadTags | 23:55 |
| SDuensin | Hmm. Mine did. :-) | 23:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what the upgrade script does, it tosses them out if you have a style template | 23:56 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: what are you building? | 23:56 |
| SDuensin | rizen - I want WebGUI to run my entire empire. Including managing my DNS records, Email accounts, etc. | 23:56 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: then i am building what you're building. Automat is Plain Black's be-all end-all hosting automation system | 23:57 |
| SDuensin | Gonna license it? | 23:57 |
| @rizen | and of course the user interface is just a webgui asset | 23:57 |
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| @rizen | perhaps, but right now it's not at all pluggable. it's built specifically for our uses, so you'd have to set up your environment like ours to even use it | 23:58 |
| SDuensin | That's the same kind of mess I wrote. :-) | 23:58 |
| @rizen | the code is all out in our subversion repository if you want to have a look at it | 23:58 |
| SDuensin | Might do that. Thanks. | 23:58 |
| SDuensin | Mine currently uses existing WebGUI stuff + a few Things. A cron job pokes around the WebGUI database and modifies the server when things change. | 23:59 |
| @rizen | automat definitely is not a mess. it's carefully written with wrappers to make it pretty easy to swap out back end systems eventually | 23:59 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - I had intended to make that style sheet it's own file. Guess now is a good time! | 23:59 |
| @rizen | automat has a task queue so that the server need not "poll" to find out if there's anything to do | 23:59 |
| SDuensin | rizen - Well, MINE is a mess. :-P | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: always read the gotchas file | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Immer | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Siempre | 00:00 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - I thought I did. Guess I missed that. | 00:00 |
| SDuensin | Oh well, no biggie. I keep backups! | 00:00 |
| @rizen | also i didn't use a Thingy because i wanted more customization of the output...so i used WebGUI::Crud instead to build all the objects | 00:00 |
| @rizen | for example, i have per-field level privileges | 00:01 |
| @rizen | thingy isn't capable of that | 00:01 |
| SDuensin | Well, you know just a *bit* more about the inside of WebGUI than I do at this point. :-P | 00:01 |
| @rizen | true | 00:01 |
| SDuensin | But I plan on gaining on you. :-P | 00:01 |
| @rizen | so be it. | 00:01 |
| @rizen | automat is going to erase plain black's biggest portions of technical debt | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | testing, documentation and i18n? | 00:02 |
| SDuensin | Automation is a Good Thing(tm). | 00:02 |
| @rizen | nope, i said plain black, not webgui pd | 00:02 |
| @rizen | i just finished phase 3 of 7 planned, and already we've cleaned up a good bit of stuff | 00:04 |
| @rizen | we had 80 mail servers set up that either never should have been set up, or were no longer needed. | 00:04 |
| @rizen | over 100 domains we were hosting dns for that we don't need to | 00:04 |
| SDuensin | Holy shit. | 00:05 |
| @rizen | over 1000 dns records that were either no longer needed or should have never been set up | 00:05 |
| @rizen | lots of cool clean up has happened as part of the data scrubbing efforts of the first 3 phases | 00:05 |
| SDuensin | I can imagine. I remember the mess I found when I converted an ISP from one billing system to another. | 00:06 |
| @rizen | oh yeah, and it turns out that we were still hosting 20 or so sites for one of our clients that they no longer wanted but forgot to ask us to shut down | 00:06 |
| @preaction | haha nice | 00:06 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: probably the coolest feature of automat is that it will allow us to manage servers that aren't even under our control | 00:11 |
| @rizen | or rather that aren't in our hosting environment | 00:11 |
| @rizen | we have many clients that host their own servers, but pay us to manage them | 00:11 |
| SDuensin | That is very cool. | 00:11 |
| @rizen | so the way i'm building this it will allow us to manage servers external to our hosting environment | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | anyone have thoughts about how to test for randomizing data? | 00:15 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: could you explain a bit further, out of context it doesn't make any sense to me | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a subroutine that randomizes the array of data that has been sent to it | 00:16 |
| @rizen | preaction: so far Net::SSH installed in 2 seconds flat on both linux and mac (in the WRE) | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to see if it works or not | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | seems very problematic | 00:16 |
| @rizen | Net::SSH2 i have to install that library for but shouldn't be a problem | 00:16 |
| @preaction | rizen: Net::SSH::Perl you mean? | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | since in truly random data, the original order is a valid order | 00:16 |
| @rizen | and Net::SSH::Perl is taking FOREVER to install due to the prereqs, but it seems to be working | 00:16 |
| @preaction | then i don't know the problems I was having. i couldn't install Net::SSH::Perl because of some math lib that didn't work on OS X | 00:17 |
| @rizen | well it may eventually crap out | 00:17 |
| @rizen | but it is currently installing | 00:17 |
| @preaction | Net::SSH was ungodly slow, too slow for spectre to use it in a workflow activity | 00:17 |
| @rizen | taking about 15 minutes to go | 00:17 |
| @preaction | but again, that was with SFTP | 00:17 |
| @rizen | but it's working | 00:17 |
| @rizen | yeah..haven't tried to use any of these yet | 00:18 |
| @rizen | just trying to get them installed | 00:18 |
| @preaction | took Net::SSH about a minute to negotiate keyexchange, connect, and login, but that might be a factor of the SSHD (a windows-based sshd) | 00:18 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: so you're randomizing the order of the array, not the data in the array, right? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 00:19 |
| @rizen | well it seems like it will take multiple tests | 00:19 |
| @rizen | 1) make sure you still have the same number of elements in the array after randomizing | 00:19 |
| @rizen | 2) do a cmp_bag on it to make sure that the structures are different | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | cmp_bag will do that | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | both of those | 00:20 |
| @rizen | 3) do a isIn() on the first element of the randomized array to see if it is in the original array (or vice versa) | 00:20 |
| @rizen | i don't think it will pd | 00:20 |
| @rizen | because we're looking to make sure they are *not* the same | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | cmp_set checks for array equality, cmp_bag just makes sure that the same elements exist in both | 00:21 |
| @rizen | so we want the same number of elements, but the elements don't hold the same data | 00:21 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: but doesn't cmp_bag also make sure the elements are in the same order? | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:21 |
| @rizen | oh really | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I use it so much | 00:22 |
| @rizen | wow i totally misunderstood that | 00:22 |
| @rizen | well in that case i guess you only need two tests | 00:23 |
| @rizen | 1) cmp_bag on both arrays | 00:23 |
| @rizen | 2) make sure that position 0 in both arrays is not the same value | 00:23 |
| Lisette | anyone know why in a workflow i get the userdefined by database of a post and shows me of values of the previous post? | 00:23 |
| @rizen | though i guess since it's random, it could actually be the same value | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's the problem | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | one can check for same order | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | or not same order | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but with random ordering, either is possible | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | just not with the same likelihood | 00:24 |
| @rizen | got it | 00:24 |
| @rizen | randomize it 3 times | 00:24 |
| @rizen | because it's not very random if all three times it's in the same order | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a good idea | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's very, very unlikely for that to happen | 00:25 |
| @rizen | unless there are only 2 elements in your array | 00:25 |
| @rizen | then it's quite likely | 00:26 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:26 |
| @rizen | so make sure you have 5 or so elements in your array | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought about taking the Shawshank Script, and reducing to an array of characters and using that | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would be big | 00:26 |
| @rizen | preaction: Net::SSH::Perl just locks up trying to install, that's why it was taking so long...so you were dead on with that one | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | we don't want to call cmp_bag on a big set of data | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | laptop is burning a hole through my levis | 00:56 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 00:58 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: why not see if "sort @array eq randomize( sort @array )" | 01:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, that might be faster than cmp_bag | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I just reduced the number of elements from 1499 to 49 | 01:01 |
| @preaction | alternatively, if you just want to ensure that both arrays have the same elements, you could sort and compare | 01:01 |
| @preaction | since it's Possible for a randomized array to equal exactly the array that went in | 01:01 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8930 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:27 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Tests for createSurveyOrder and shuffle. | 02:27 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: POD for several methods. | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI ships with 247 templates | 02:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8931 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 03:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add tests for nextSectionid, nextSection, currentSection. | 03:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add more POD to ResponseJSON | 03:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8932 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: fixing PayDriver_ITransact help | 03:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8933 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.6 release | 03:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8934 /experimental/Automat/ (bin/automatshell lib/Automat/Shell.pm bin): server shell protocol demystified | 03:17 |
| @Haarg | oops on version number :/ | 03:26 |
| @preaction | uhoh | 03:31 |
| @Haarg | only in the commit message | 03:32 |
| @Haarg | so it doesn't really matter | 03:32 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8935 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.36-stable: Release 7.5.36-stable | 03:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8936 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.37 dev | 03:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, what did I do to the ITransact help? | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I ran the test on it and it came up clean | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I tweaked it more? | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I see | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that's just embarrassing | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I've looked into the WebGUI wikipedia issue about needing additional citations. | 04:58 |
| @tavisto | yeah, what's the dealio | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Wikipedia does not allow "original sources". In other words, you cannot refer to yourself as a citation | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the only citations are back to webgui and plainblack | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | here's what ya need to do | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Find every article on WebGUI on the net | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the thing I wrote on Newsforge, ehab's article, et cetera | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | then use those as sources for various segments in the article | 04:59 |
| @tavisto | some douchebag deleted our plain black listing.. said it was blatant advertising | 04:59 |
| @tavisto | seems like a lot of work | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | they can be articles written by PB people and published in other places | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | that's fine | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | just need stuff outside the PB websites | 05:00 |
| @preaction | you know it's the other CMS companies just trolling | 05:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's easy to find joomla articles | 05:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and drupal articles | 05:01 |
| @tavisto | alright, maybe I can get JT to have Tera work on that.. sounds really boring to me | 05:01 |
| @tavisto | :) | 05:01 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, it is so up your alley :) | 05:01 |
| @tavisto | we've got a bunch of articles going out to a ton of publications thru this PR company we're working with | 05:02 |
| @tavisto | if things go as planned, it's going to be great exposure for WebGUI and PB | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | see, those would be perfect to use | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | after they're published | 05:02 |
| @tavisto | the other nice thing.. is the fact that we got our first approval for a success story with the DoS | 05:02 |
| @tavisto | Doug, it's your baby... Alumni | 05:02 |
| @tavisto | gotcha perldreamer, I'm just not interested in the task.. that's all | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Y'all will have to salute Hillary when you see her, now | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | But, I'm sure it's something Tera could bang out easily | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | print publications are okay, too | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | newspapers, magazines | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | not just online stuff | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | yep these are | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | Government Computing News | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | University Business | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | I'm scheduling a webinar with the editor of Website Magazine | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | I guess it's a big publication | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | we'll see. | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | They use community server so I'm not selling them on a CMS.. but rather impressing them to get an article done on us | 05:04 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8937 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (45 files in 25 dirs): Merge branch '7.6.6-beta' into flux | 05:17 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8938 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Macro/AdminBar.t: a few AdminBar tests | 05:17 |
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| daviddelikat | > use Perl Daily Newsletter | 05:32 |
| daviddelikat | > In this issue: | 05:32 |
| daviddelikat | > * Bulgarian Perl Workshop | 05:32 |
| daviddelikat | road trip! | 05:32 |
| daviddelikat | say is there a tool to pretty print the YAHOO js for easier debugging? | 05:34 |
| @tavisto | there's an perl conf in orlando coming up too | 05:35 |
| @tavisto | perl oasis is what it is | 05:35 |
| daviddelikat | maybe orlando would be a better road trip | 05:35 |
| @tavisto | yep we were invited since an ex-pb staff member's company is sponsoring it | 05:35 |
| @tavisto | problem being we're having our company meeting in Madison on the week it's going on | 05:36 |
| @tavisto | looks cool tho for a 1-day conf | 05:36 |
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| @tavisto | haarg, if you act fast, you can still buy the domain www.do.me | 05:46 |
| @Haarg | heh | 05:46 |
| @tavisto | my buddy just sent me that URL because they were joking around about getting a .me URL.. and then found that one was still available | 05:46 |
| @tavisto | so hey would be a great site for advertising yourself to the ladies | 05:46 |
| @tavisto | hahaha | 05:46 |
| @tavisto | I didnt believe it was available but I checked and it is! | 05:46 |
| @tavisto | oh well.. guess that's my fun fact for the evening. ttyl all | 05:47 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add more AdminBar tests. | 05:58 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix adminbar macro to handle bad asset classes without dying. | 05:58 |
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| Dragonite | after installing webgui i get the error Can't locate object method "open" via package "WebGUI::Session" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/URL/Content.pm line 54 in my apache errlog.... Did i miss something during the install? | 14:04 |
| +BartJol | have you put your domain in the /etc/hosts file? | 14:20 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8940 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): matrix bug fixes | 14:46 |
| Dragonite | BartJol: Yes i did... | 14:56 |
| +BartJol | ok, that's one easy to forget and causes errors | 14:58 |
| +BartJol | copied de log en spectre original confs to actual ones? | 14:59 |
| +BartJol | s/de/the | 14:59 |
| Dragonite | i am running the webgui on a internal network addres.... The name is resolved to the ip on the gateway which is forwarded to the particalus machine.... Can this be the cause of the problems i am expiriencing? | 15:00 |
| Dragonite | in the etc dir are spectre.conf en log.conf | 15:01 |
| +BartJol | ok, that's good | 15:02 |
| +BartJol | but the forwarding should work | 15:02 |
| +BartJol | but I'm not an expert in that field | 15:02 |
| Dragonite | should extraPath in the domain.comf point to the www dir off the domain of to the default www dir in WebGUI? | 15:03 |
| +BartJol | no | 15:04 |
| +BartJol | to the extras dir in www | 15:04 |
| Dragonite | ok | 15:05 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r8941 /experimental/Bazaar/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 15:12 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: - Fixed a bug where editSave would save all properties. | 15:12 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: - Fixed a bug where each Bazaar showed Bazaar Items from all Bazaars on the site. | 15:12 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: - Templated Bazaar and BazaarItem. | 15:12 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: NOTE: DB Schema changed! columns templatedId and bazaarItemTemplateId were added to the bazaar table. | 15:12 |
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| Dragonite | Im experiencing errors after a source install in apaches's error.log: \Can't locate object method "open" via package "WebGUI::Session" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/URL/Content.pm line 54. | 15:49 |
| +BartJol | mmm got a workflow problem, they don't seem to disappear even if they're complete | 15:55 |
| +BartJol | in the modperl error log there is a notification that cachekey shouldn't be undefined | 15:56 |
| +BartJol | webgui.log is empty | 15:57 |
| +BartJol | but I'm running a galleyimport too | 15:57 |
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| +BartJol | wasn't there a bug on something like this? I couldn't find it | 16:00 |
| +BartJol | they are set to workflows with title "(no title)" | 16:01 |
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| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: you have any idead on my workflow getting stuck? | 16:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: j/s i just opened my laptop up for th emorning :) | 16:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, that doesn't ring a bell at all. I'm no ninja on Workflows, but maybe if you pasted the modperl error? | 16:20 |
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| +BartJol | sure no problem | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'cachekey' cannot be null at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm line 184. | 16:24 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Google says you are alone in this problem :( This happened when you were importing into a Gallery? | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | well, the problems don't get less, but the sites with the problems are in a shared instance with the one I am running the import script for | 16:30 |
| +BartJol | Too many workflows on www.ourdomain.nl webgui74.procolix.com | 16:31 |
| +BartJol | that's what the wre sens us | 16:31 |
| +BartJol | and there are a 1000+ workflows | 16:31 |
| +BartJol | the import script is mainly irritating because it's already running for 4 hours | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | so I can't do much with site restarting stuff | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | maybe that's theoretically incorrect, but I'd rather not upgrade and import at the same time | 16:34 |
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| +BartJol | mm, in debug mode, the amount of instances seems to shrink | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | but it's all for 1 site.. well, maybe just wait | 16:42 |
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| +BartJol | oh and 1000+ is also 3000+ | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | and descreasing | 17:00 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 17:47 |
| @rizen | afternoon | 17:47 |
| SDuensin | Feels like that. | 17:47 |
| SDuensin | Nothing like starting your day and having the internet fall out from under you. | 17:48 |
| @rizen | you should have 5 internet connections running to your house | 17:48 |
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| SDuensin | If I could, I would. I do have an EVDO backup. :-) | 17:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Who is xtopher? | 18:16 |
| @rizen | xtopher is one of our clients | 18:18 |
| @rizen | you've met him | 18:18 |
| @rizen | Chris Palamara | 18:18 |
| @rizen | department of state / CTC | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | He needs to be taught some bug posting etiquette. | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | website broke, fix! NOW! | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | which one, BartJol? | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | oh, it was an attempt for a bad bug post | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, have you tested the bugfix for the i18n server, with the translators notes? | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | I haven't written a script for it | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe that was Bernd_'s bug that I'm thinking of | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | I only said that I want comments | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | and my collegue says that the galleryImport script is a mastodont... it is running since 11:30 am so 6 hours | 18:22 |
| +BartJol | and I can only drink beer after it has finished | 18:22 |
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| +BartJol | oh and I have done a bid on a house and it was accepted, now I have to arrange my mortgage | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | All right! | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Party at Bart's house. | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | sure, you're invited, maybe it will be a byob party, but whatever | 18:27 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you can ignore that bug xtopher posted - perlmonkey2 is going to handle it | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | poor perlmonkey2 | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | it's a combination of a few things, but the actual bug is that the 7.5 SC is locking on some rss feeds | 18:39 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8942 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matrix compare screen bugfix | 18:43 |
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| +BartJol | it is already an hour past beertime, so good bye! have a nice weekend | 19:05 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8943 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.7/ (4 files): Remove old discussion related items from the Article templates. | 19:39 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add section separator comments between the subroutines. | 19:39 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add a few checks to getNextSection* so that it won't autovivify array elements | 19:39 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: past the end of the survey order array. | 19:39 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8945 /translations/Croatian/ (176 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | German is now the second most complete WebGUI translation | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | due to their hard work, and the slowly eroding Arabic translation | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | good work, Klaus and Bernd! | 19:42 |
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| s4eek | .iploc 71.195.116.135 | 21:04 |
| s4eek | wrong channel | 21:04 |
| @rizen | it is? holy crap yeah. Way to go Klaus and Bernd_ | 21:05 |
| @rizen | wow spanish isn't looking too shabby these days either | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, the translators are kicking butt, for the most part | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that Ehab hasn't upgraded in a long time, otherwise arabic would be in better shape | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, greets to our Master German Translator | 21:21 |
| Bernd__ | Who? | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Sie | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | You. German is now the 2nd most complete translation | 21:24 |
| Bernd__ | Why so formal? You can say "du" to me :-) | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Dutzen wir? | 21:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Thanks! | 21:25 |
| Bernd__ | That means, if you agree! | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | You bet. | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Naturlich | 21:26 |
| Bernd__ | I can use "you" or "you". You have the free choice. | 21:26 |
| Bernd__ | Wasn't me, btw, who has done a lot of translation work recently. | 21:27 |
| Bernd__ | I only started this week again. | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Was that Klaus, or someone else? | 21:27 |
| Bernd__ | I suspect Klaus or Martien. | 21:27 |
| Bernd__ | The both prefer to work in the hidden. | 21:27 |
| Bernd__ | They | 21:28 |
| Bernd__ | perlDreamer, is it difficult to hack the translation server? | 21:29 |
| Bernd__ | There are a number of things I would like to change. | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: I know that wG is in a RFE lockdown, but the translation server is another deal. | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I would guess that RFEs can be implemented on an ongoing basis | 21:30 |
| Bernd__ | What is an RFE lockdown? | 21:30 |
| Bernd__ | No more RFEs until 7.7? | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | No new features at all for 7.5 | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure on 7.6, but I think we branch for 7.7 soon | 21:31 |
| Bernd__ | Or until 8? | 21:31 |
| Bernd__ | Oh, that's not too bad. | 21:31 |
| Bernd__ | I have learned to be patient. | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | just 7.7 | 21:31 |
| Bernd__ | Have you ever tried to install a dev version of the tranlsation server on your notebook? | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a bit of work, but not too bad | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to scoot to an appointment, I'll be back about 1:00pm local time | 21:32 |
| Bernd__ | Alright, good night in advance! | 21:33 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8946 /translations/German/German/Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm: Update from translation server | 21:37 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8947 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 21:37 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: nextQuestions tests. | 21:37 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add POD, and make sure that answers returned by nextQuestions are safe refs. | 21:37 |
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| topsub | whoa choc rush thanks to rizen! | 22:32 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | anyone bored? upgrade 7.4.40-7.5.16 line 2748, that is dieing during the upgrade do to DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'assetId' in 'field list' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135. | 23:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But looking at the DB before the upgrade, both tables in that query have an assetId column. | 23:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Nothing else in that upgrade script could explain why Event all of a sudden no longer has an assetId. | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | are you certain that is the line giving you problems? | 23:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that is the exceptoin thrown. I'm trying to break the upgrade script right before tha tline so I can see the DB state. | 23:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | although i guess I don't need to break it. Just look at the db after the upgrade dies. | 23:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Converting Related Links from Event table to Event_relatedlink table | 23:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'assetId' in 'field list' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135. | 23:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | <h1>Problem With Request</h1> | 23:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | We have encountered a problem with your request. Please use your back button and try again. | 23:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If this problem persists, please contact us with what you were trying to do and the time and date of the problem.<br /><br />INFOCENTRAL<br />infocentral-state@getusinfo.com<br />https://infocentral.state.govLabel not found for "last WEBGUI_FATAL" at ../../lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 235. | 23:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Processing upgrade executable failed! | 23:15 |
| @rizen | you're welcome topsub | 23:17 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2 | 23:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: | 23:19 |
| @rizen | i recommend adding the following line | 23:20 |
| @rizen | at 2747 | 23:20 |
| @rizen | sorry not a line | 23:20 |
| @rizen | but at 2747 | 23:20 |
| @rizen | do a describe Event | 23:20 |
| @rizen | and return that | 23:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay | 23:20 |
| @rizen | it will show you what the table looks like | 23:20 |
| @rizen | and it may help you debug | 23:21 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2 when these problems happen, you are doing a full restore, right? | 23:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, to the last stage in the upgrade | 23:22 |
| @rizen | drop the database, recreate it, and restore last upgrade | 23:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but it is from a 7.3 db and I'm on the 7.4.40 to 7.5 | 23:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yep | 23:22 |
| @rizen | k | 23:22 |
| @rizen | did these databases have all sorts of backported crap in them? | 23:23 |
| @rizen | is that why this is taking so long? | 23:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes, tons and tons | 23:23 |
| @rizen | there is another thing that can help you | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | beer! | 23:24 |
| @rizen | so for example, you're at 7.4.40 right now | 23:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and this looks like it is some default asset, probably a tmeplate, that was changed, but I didn't put an exception for some alteration in whatever upgrade changed it, and now the assetId is missing for this alteration. | 23:24 |
| @rizen | make a test database and install a clean copy of 7.4.40 create.sql into it | 23:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no, I'm not at 7.4.40 anymore. I've missed something, which is why this is breaking | 23:24 |
| @rizen | then use mysqldiff to compare that data | 23:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, that was how I started | 23:24 |
| @rizen | database | 23:24 |
| @rizen | ok | 23:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | it was a 7.3.17 which I diffed with a clean db. | 23:25 |
| @rizen | but i'm saying you should do it at each stage | 23:25 |
| @rizen | well not each individual upgrade, but each stop point | 23:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | some of the things I assumed wouldn't matter, obviously do now. Like what a column defaults to (that must be it cause that's all I didn't account for). | 23:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, but if I miss something, then I'll keep missing it until it breaks and upgrade. | 23:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or better yet, it won't break anything and I'll catch it in testing. or even better, not catch it in testing and the client finds it in a month. | 23:26 |
| @rizen | i have no idea what you're talking about...i'm telling you how to find some problems and you're talking like i just told you to do something crazy | 23:27 |
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| nuba | hey rizen, just a heads up: ive got a hands-on exam on digital circuits next monday, and also implementing a ridiculously convoluted oracle DB schema with lots of PL/SQL, thats for monday, too. | 23:50 |
| nuba | what this garbled crap means is im on vacation afterwards | 23:50 |
| nuba | and then i'll be fully engaged on the map asset project | 23:51 |
| nuba | i thought I'd be able to work on it sooner, but college workload got massive all of a sudden | 23:52 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8948 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix my stupid typo in the Shelf template with div. | 00:14 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8949 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting Shelf template fix. | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | nuba, remember that if your resistors are smoking, then something is wrong | 00:39 |
| nuba | haha, thanks perlDreamer | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of circuitry are you building? | 01:04 |
| nuba | its just introduction to digital circuits | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's hands on from the get go? | 01:06 |
| nuba | getting a little hands on after studying karnaught maps | 01:06 |
| nuba | karnaughty :D | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | did they introduce glitch coverage? | 01:06 |
| nuba | nope | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | they will, or should | 01:06 |
| nuba | until now, weve just seen basic logic gates, and simple automation setups | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | well, glitch coverage works like this | 01:07 |
| nuba | using circuit maker here and there | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | when you transition from state to state in a karnaugh map, sometimes all the bits don't transition at the same time | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | this can cause you to glitch into bad states | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | which, based on your decode logic, can lead to bad things | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so, to cover glitches, you decode more states than necessary | 01:08 |
| nuba | hmmm. thats new stuff | 01:09 |
| nuba | see, these things dont happen when you simulate on circuit maker | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | they might in your hands on test ;) | 01:09 |
| nuba | yeah | 01:11 |
| nuba | well | 01:11 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8950 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: | 01:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add POD stubs, fully document goto. | 01:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Prevent recordResponses from autovivifying mcHash keys. From page to page of | 01:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: questions it does not matter, but if two questions in the same page have an | 01:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: unrecognized, type, the second will be processed differently from the first. | 01:44 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8951 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: goto tests. | 01:44 |
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| HomeMech | *sigh* finally some time to play with webgui :-) | 02:38 |
| @rizen | that's great news nuba | 03:03 |
| @rizen | HomeMech: i thought you were building a site in webgui? | 03:07 |
| HomeMech | rizen: I am... just very slowly :-P | 03:07 |
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| @rizen | hopefully slowly due to a lack of time rather than some fault with webgui | 03:07 |
| HomeMech | I've got a bazillion things goin on right now ... yeah... | 03:07 |
| HomeMech | its a time thing mostly | 03:07 |
| HomeMech | it is requiring me to re-visit my perl though - haven't done that in 10 years | 03:08 |
| @rizen | perl is good to be revisited | 03:09 |
| HomeMech | yeah - I suppose | 03:09 |
| HomeMech | all the script langs are so close to each other, I don't really mind what I use | 03:10 |
| HomeMech | perl is a bit 'looser' in its OO stuff though | 03:11 |
| HomeMech | hmm - actually - perl is sorta like 'C' - its not the lang. that takes time to learn, its all the $@#%#$% libs :-P | 03:12 |
| HomeMech | rizen: hmm - it appears 'upgrade' scripts expect some parameters ? We should stick a usage/help message in the skeleton file | 03:13 |
| @rizen | you're never supposed to all an upgrade script manually | 03:14 |
| @rizen | you're supposed to run sbin/upgrade.pl | 03:14 |
| HomeMech | oh, oops | 03:14 |
| @rizen | and it has full usage | 03:14 |
| @rizen | =) | 03:14 |
| HomeMech | kay - thanks :-) | 03:14 |
| HomeMech | rizen: Hmm - it appears there is some magic associated with upgrade version numbers ? | 03:17 |
| HomeMech | I'm adding a custom 'workflow event' for when a user is updated | 03:17 |
| HomeMech | so I set $toVersion="7.6.7client" in my update script | 03:18 |
| HomeMech | and I saved it as 'clientUpdate.pl'... | 03:18 |
| HomeMech | but thats not going to work with upgrade.pl, right ? | 03:18 |
| @rizen | oh now i understand what you're doing | 03:18 |
| @rizen | no...the webgui upgrade system doesn't allow for third-party plugins ... *yet* | 03:19 |
| @rizen | what you need to do is just write your upgrade as a utility script | 03:19 |
| @rizen | use the utility skeleton in sbin | 03:19 |
| @rizen | sorry about that..didn't understand what you were doing before | 03:19 |
| HomeMech | is it safe to run a '_upgrade' skel based script directly and just manually pass in the config file ? | 03:19 |
| HomeMech | ahh - dam, I used the wrong skeleton | 03:19 |
| @rizen | technically those upgrade scripts and therefore the upgrade skeleton are just a special type of utility script..so if you want to use that you're welcome to | 03:20 |
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| @rizen | but the upgrade skel is built just for PB developers, and wasn't intended to be used by third parties | 03:21 |
| HomeMech | eh - it was only like 3 lines of code - I'll just paste it into the right skeleton | 03:21 |
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| HomeMech | rizen: I don't understand the settings stuff... | 03:25 |
| HomeMech | rizen: I have $session->setting->add("runOnUpdateUser", "0"); | 03:25 |
| HomeMech | (thats basically the only non-skeleton line in the file) | 03:26 |
| HomeMech | how does that 'know' the setting should only be applied to user profiles/objects ? | 03:26 |
| HomeMech | or does every object get a copy of every setting ? | 03:26 |
| @rizen | heh | 03:27 |
| @rizen | it's not magic | 03:27 |
| @rizen | what version are you running? 7.5 or 7.6? | 03:27 |
| @rizen | i'll point you to the code | 03:27 |
| HomeMech | its 7.6.7 svn checkout from about an hour ago | 03:27 |
| @rizen | k | 03:27 |
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| @rizen | oh, you're trying to add that property | 03:30 |
| HomeMech | yeah - I want to be able to trigger a workflow when a user profile is edited | 03:31 |
| @rizen | you have to trigger it somewhere in the code then | 03:31 |
| @rizen | a trigger looks like: WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create(...); | 03:31 |
| @rizen | for example | 03:31 |
| HomeMech | yeah - I have to copy the stuff from operations ... yeah, I got that part from perldreamer :-)_ | 03:32 |
| @rizen | about 1/3 of the way down | 03:32 |
| @rizen | ok so your setting comes into play when you create the trigger | 03:32 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create($self->session, { | 03:32 |
| @rizen | workflowId=>$self->session->setting->get("runOnRegistration"), | 03:32 |
| @rizen | methodName=>"new", | 03:32 |
| @rizen | className=>"WebGUI::User", | 03:32 |
| @rizen | parameters=>$self->session->user->userId, | 03:32 |
| @rizen | priority=>1 | 03:32 |
| @rizen | })->start; | 03:32 |
| @rizen | every $session has a reference to the settings | 03:32 |
| @rizen | as you can see on line 2 of my paste | 03:33 |
| @rizen | workflowId => | 03:33 |
| @rizen | get it? | 03:33 |
| HomeMech | so settings are global and all objects have access to all settings ? | 03:33 |
| @rizen | not all objects | 03:33 |
| @rizen | the session object | 03:33 |
| @rizen | and all objects have access to the session | 03:33 |
| HomeMech | ok | 03:33 |
| @rizen | sorry, i must be stupid tonight cuz i seem to keep missing your questions | 03:34 |
| HomeMech | so you can't have 2 different workflows for two different content types ? like say after updating a 'poll' do workflow 'a', but after updating a 'blog' do workflow b ? | 03:34 |
| @rizen | sure you could...but our content approval workflows don't work on asset types, they work on version tags | 03:35 |
| @rizen | so you could do one of two things | 03:35 |
| HomeMech | you need to define a new 'label' (setting->get('foo') ) for each action/content type pair you want to support ? | 03:35 |
| @rizen | 1) you could add triggers to both the poll and the blog | 03:35 |
| @rizen | 2) you could add a workflow activity that checks what types of assets there are in the version tag and fires off additional workflows from the content approval workflow | 03:36 |
| @rizen | no | 03:36 |
| @rizen | that's really only for global things like users | 03:36 |
| @rizen | for example | 03:37 |
| @rizen | the collaboration asset and the wiki asset | 03:37 |
| @rizen | actually have their own triggers | 03:37 |
| @rizen | for doing approval processes for their children (threads and wiki pages) | 03:37 |
| @rizen | so there the property of which workflow to run is stored in the properties of the asset itself | 03:38 |
| @rizen | you store stuff in the settings table, when you don't have another place to store it | 03:38 |
| HomeMech | ahh | 03:38 |
| @rizen | so in your case you want your workflow to be triggered when any user updates their account...so that's global by the nature of the word *any* | 03:39 |
| @rizen | probably the biggest weakness of the workflow system right now is just that we don't have enough triggers | 03:39 |
| @rizen | we should have triggers on everything | 03:39 |
| @rizen | but i just haven't gotten around to it | 03:39 |
| HomeMech | so the collaboration and wiki assets have 'custom' dont use 'workflowId=>$self->session->setting->get("runOnRegistration"),' they get the workflow to run from some field in $self ? | 03:40 |
| @rizen | exactly | 03:40 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WikiMaster has a property called approvalWorkflow | 03:41 |
| @rizen | which is used whenever a new WebGUI::Asset::WikiPage is created as a child of it | 03:41 |
| @rizen | that way each wiki can have it's own approval process for pages in it | 03:41 |
| @rizen | same is true of collaboration system, photo gallery, event calendar, etc | 03:42 |
| @rizen | the property may not always be called "approvalWorkflow" | 03:42 |
| @rizen | but they all have one | 03:42 |
| HomeMech | rizen: ahh - I'm just gonna have to get used to the 'inverted' workflow stuff.. generally, you throw an 'event' and some generic service/code fires off things for you - but webgui hardcodes the 'firing' of stuff in the object | 03:42 |
| HomeMech | ok - its starting to gel a bit | 03:43 |
| @rizen | they've hardcoded the onSomethingHappened event for you rather than the workflow trigger | 03:43 |
| HomeMech | so my code is just adding an entry to a 'global' settings table somewhere, thats accessible to anything that cares to query the $session for it.. | 03:43 |
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| @rizen | we have some of that too for example in the new shop there are a bunch of onSomethingHappened events triggered | 03:44 |
| HomeMech | rizen: eh ? that lost me...does webgui have 'real' event dispatch as well as the direct call/instantiation stuff ? | 03:45 |
| @rizen | the user account and auth systems are just old. they'll be getting an overhaul in WebGUI 8 and then there will be onUserUpdate, etc | 03:45 |
| @rizen | added to it | 03:45 |
| HomeMech | LOL :-) | 03:45 |
| HomeMech | its a good way for me to learn :-) | 03:45 |
| @rizen | HomeMech, you do understand that there's no such thing as 'real' vs 'unreal' event dispatch | 03:45 |
| @rizen | it's just a method | 03:45 |
| @rizen | we just haven't created the damn methods | 03:46 |
| HomeMech | well - in perl you would have a 'two step' dispatch vs. the current 'direct' dispatch (unless you wanted to frutz around with doing stuff in eval() and trapping exceptions/events ) | 03:47 |
| HomeMech | in stuff like python or java, the distinction is much clearer as they actually support events/exceptions | 03:47 |
| @rizen | I understand in a multi-threaded environment you can have a seperate thread handling subscribe and unsubscribe event queues...but here we're talking about mod_perl...so single process single thread, no async background processing | 03:47 |
| HomeMech | but in perl - yeah, it would just be something like $globalDispatch('myEvent', $self) | 03:48 |
| HomeMech | rizen: actually, I was thinking more along the lines off 'ease of maintenance' ? | 03:48 |
| HomeMech | for instance, say I decide I want to run multiple things off one 'event' or I want to 'dispatch' multiple 'events' when somethign happends | 03:49 |
| @rizen | yeah...not going to happen | 03:49 |
| HomeMech | with an 2 step dispatch its slightly easier to do it | 03:49 |
| @rizen | instead, webgui will trigger an "event" in the workflow system | 03:49 |
| @rizen | and then you can do whatever you want from there | 03:49 |
| HomeMech | right - or I have to add another 'create workflow' call for the other workflow(s) | 03:50 |
| @rizen | i realize it's less flexible, because you're asynchronous | 03:50 |
| @rizen | homeMech, youre workflow can create another workflow | 03:50 |
| @rizen | so there's no reason to allow you to attach multiple workflows to the same event through some other mechanism | 03:50 |
| HomeMech | eh - its not really less flexible - it just means you have to add the calls where there are 'used' as opposed to having a 'central' place to put them all | 03:51 |
| HomeMech | just a little different is all | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | so what's the big drive going to be in 7.7, rizen? | 04:51 |
| @rizen | converting WebGUI into TurdGUI | 04:52 |
| @rizen | how it will work is that i'll just accept every possible RFE that everyone ever makes | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I predict a 16% increase in the size of webgui | 04:52 |
| @rizen | with no regard to performance, security, or anything esle | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | based on the new length of the name | 04:52 |
| @rizen | and everyone will be happy | 04:53 |
| @rizen | except me | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and here I thought you'd rewrite it in seaside | 04:53 |
| @rizen | but that's ok | 04:53 |
| HomeMech | rizen: does that mean my "makeMargarita" RFE is out ? :-) | 04:53 |
| @rizen | seaside? | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a small talk web framework | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | smalltalk | 04:53 |
| @rizen | no, in TurdGUI HomeMech you can have any RFE you want | 04:53 |
| @rizen | ah | 04:53 |
| HomeMech | rizen: seaside is 'continuation' based - its kinda cool - lets you do webpages like subroutine calls... | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | TurdGUI is kind of like Windows Vista | 04:54 |
| @rizen | there's actually no one unified thing for 7.7...i'm actually already thinking WebGUI 8 | 04:54 |
| HomeMech | so you return back to where you were | 04:54 |
| @rizen | i know continuations | 04:54 |
| @rizen | Jifty has continuations in perl, even though continuations are supposedly impossible in perl. | 04:55 |
| @rizen | the todo list is this: | 04:55 |
| @rizen | story manager | 04:56 |
| @rizen | pay pal gateway | 04:56 |
| @rizen | usps shipping gateway | 04:56 |
| HomeMech | ah cool - I'll have to google that sometime. Is it a web toolkit or something more generic ? | 04:57 |
| @rizen | and hopefully a few of the following | 04:57 |
| @rizen | death of the cs | 04:57 |
| @rizen | wgfs | 04:57 |
| @rizen | asset manager 2.0 | 04:57 |
| @rizen | photo editing | 04:57 |
| HomeMech | on line photo editing is nice - but its always so slow.... | 04:58 |
| @rizen | we're talking basic stuff, like crop, rotate, resize | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, at one point, I promised to help with some template i18n label changes | 04:58 |
| HomeMech | ahh - rotate would be slick... | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you still up for that? | 04:59 |
| @rizen | and those things will be fairly fast | 04:59 |
| HomeMech | its annoying how often I have to rotate stuff - seems like I'm always getting stuff sideways | 04:59 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: i still would love to do that and i'll work with you if you want to do it...unfortunately i have a certain list of things that clients are pushing on | 04:59 |
| @rizen | jifty is a web framework | 05:00 |
| HomeMech | ahh - I don't think I've run into that one ... | 05:00 |
| @rizen | it can sort of be an anything framework, but it's mostly meant for web systems | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, pDC is willing to do that task probono for the good of WebGUI | 05:00 |
| * HomeMech googles | 05:01 | |
| @rizen | consider it yours then pd | 05:01 |
| @rizen | http://jifty.org/view/HomePage | 05:01 |
| HomeMech | oh thanks | 05:01 |
| @rizen | i like jifty, but can't stand jesse vincent | 05:01 |
| @rizen | he can take his pony and shove it up his @$$ | 05:01 |
| HomeMech | hmm - why does that name sound familiar ?? pony ?? | 05:02 |
| @rizen | he is the inventor of RT | 05:02 |
| @rizen | and owns Best Practical | 05:02 |
| HomeMech | thats right | 05:02 |
| HomeMech | dam - I haven't looked at RT in dogs years | 05:02 |
| HomeMech | he's annoying ? | 05:02 |
| HomeMech | ahh... found the pony | 05:03 |
| @rizen | in some ways he's annoying because he's like me, and i find me annoying quite frequently | 05:06 |
| HomeMech | heh | 05:06 |
| @rizen | in other ways he's annoying because he believes there is a "right way" to do things | 05:06 |
| @rizen | as in one way | 05:06 |
| @rizen | or at least that's the way he comes off when you talk to him in person | 05:06 |
| HomeMech | heh - I feel that way about DHH and a few of the python guys | 05:07 |
| @rizen | which is wierd, since perl is his language of choice | 05:07 |
| HomeMech | rizen: the reason 'one true way' is good is because programmers are getting dumber | 05:11 |
| HomeMech | if you give them choices, lilke perl does - they invariably do something stupid | 05:11 |
| @rizen | but if you make them believe there is one true way, then they'll never get any smarter | 05:12 |
| HomeMech | true - but my goal is to turn a profit and retain my sanity - not teach CS 101 | 05:12 |
| HomeMech | it seems like coders these days are either nitwit that just barely know some java or dot net... | 05:13 |
| @rizen | my goal is to become independently wealthy and fund all kinds of cool hobby projects | 05:13 |
| HomeMech | or phd's that only work in 'niche' language like lisp or erlang.... | 05:14 |
| HomeMech | (or *shudder* haskell ) | 05:14 |
| HomeMech | that would be cool | 05:14 |
| @rizen | donchugotalkinbout haskell | 05:14 |
| HomeMech | LOL | 05:14 |
| HomeMech | I don't | 05:14 |
| HomeMech | I worked with a guy that _loved_ it... | 05:14 |
| HomeMech | I started bleeding thru the eyes just looking at it | 05:15 |
| @rizen | i've never actually seen it | 05:15 |
| @rizen | the only languages i've worked with in the past 10 years are java, perl, and ruby | 05:16 |
| @rizen | i don't count the 2 C# programs i wrote | 05:16 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:16 |
| HomeMech | ruby seemed pretty slick - but nobody could ever tell me what those :placeholder: thing were - and why you'd use them instead of a real var | 05:16 |
| HomeMech | but it was pretty slow, and by then I'd gotten pretty used to python | 05:17 |
| HomeMech | err... : placeholder : | 05:17 |
| HomeMech | I actually envy all the tools available for java - python's 'dynamic' crap screws up everything from static analysis tools to IDE's | 05:19 |
| HomeMech | and java is still faster then python | 05:19 |
| HomeMech | oh crap - python 3K came out last week... I gotta check that out | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | the weird thing about haskell is that everything is functional | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you can see the same kind of programming in Higher Order Perl by MJD | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | no operators | 05:28 |
| HomeMech | yeah - and since things like file I/O are considered 'side effects' it can be rather titchy... | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I went to a Haskell talk from Simon Peyton-Jones at OSCON 2007 | 05:30 |
| HomeMech | perlDreamer: I worked for a Dutch company that was big in re-engineering tools (data flow analysis, automated y2k conversions, etc.) - they had a bunch of guys into were shit... | 05:31 |
| HomeMech | lisp, haskell, mumblity-acronym's... | 05:31 |
| HomeMech | I think i was the only non-phd there :-P | 05:31 |
| HomeMech | sad part was, for all that - the front end for our flagship product was writting in tcl/tk :-P | 05:32 |
| +perlDreamer | lisp's not all that bad, it's just all the parens | 05:32 |
| +perlDreamer | "Lisp has all the visual appeal of fingernail clippings in oatmeal." | 05:32 |
| HomeMech | my friend keeps telling me its possible to write lisp without the parens - but I've never seen an example ? | 05:32 |
| HomeMech | lisp = lots insipid silly parenthesis | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | heh | 05:33 |
| HomeMech | emacs = eightly megs and constantly swapping :-P | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Roast beast is a feast I can't stand in the least! | 05:48 |
| HomeMech | Sally Sells Sea Shells by the Seaside (with continuations even ...) | 05:49 |
| HomeMech | Hmm - I've logged into webgui as a generic user - where do I go to edit my profile ? | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Your username should be a link to your account | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but that implies that you're using a semi-default setup | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | with a Login macro and the like | 05:51 |
| HomeMech | ahh - thanks | 05:51 |
| HomeMech | hmm - its just going here: http://72.52.81.243/home?op=auth;method=init | 05:52 |
| HomeMech | no profile info comes up ? | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | which version of wG are you using? | 05:53 |
| HomeMech | umm - 7.6.7 svn checkout from a couple of hours ago | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, you should be on a page with many tabs in the Account section then | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | click on the Profile tab | 05:53 |
| HomeMech | no - it stays on the home page.. | 05:54 |
| HomeMech | (eg it appears that link does nothing) | 05:54 |
| HomeMech | I'm not admin though - just a 'generic' user | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | can you create me an account? | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | to try that? | 05:55 |
| HomeMech | pd:pd@http://72.52.81.243 | 05:56 |
| HomeMech | err.. user: pd pass: pd | 05:56 |
| HomeMech | rizen: Donna is wondering if you have anyone available to do say a week of WebGui training in silicon valley ? | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | When are you looking for that? | 05:59 |
| HomeMech | she's trying to setup some training sessions for Open Source technologies and Agile coding | 05:59 |
| HomeMech | perldreamer: probably march ? (at least she's doing Plone in march ) | 05:59 |
| HomeMech | she says she's flexible on the date - just needs time to advertise it, rent a hall, etc. | 06:00 |
| HomeMech | perlDreamer: is the login / profile working for you ? | 06:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it works exactly the same as for you | 06:01 |
| +perlDreamer | which it shouldn't | 06:01 |
| HomeMech | ahh - ok... | 06:01 |
| HomeMech | oh crap - I haven't run my update yet... | 06:02 |
| HomeMech | let me see if that fixes it... | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that might make a difference | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | if not, I want to see your style template | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | this sounds like a bug | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | grrrrr | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | HomeMech, probably best to send rizen an email | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | He's definitely the guy to go to for WebGUI training | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | this is definitely a bug | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in the a_account macro | 06:05 |
| HomeMech | perlDreamer: yeah - I just ran the update and re-started wG.. | 06:05 |
| HomeMech | but no joy | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | do me a favor, and please file a bug on this | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll stomp on it monday morning | 06:05 |
| HomeMech | umm- sure | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe sooner, depending on how much snow we get | 06:05 |
| HomeMech | what should I say - just " a bug in the a_account macro breaking profile pages" ? | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | a bug in the a_account macro does not take you to the Account page in 7.6 | 06:06 |
| HomeMech | you got it | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, HomeMech | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | man, this has been broken for a very, very long time | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the account macro must not be used much | 06:08 |
| HomeMech | LOL - figures I have to be difficult | 06:09 |
| HomeMech | umm - would this be in the 'stable' version or 'Beta' ? | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | beta | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6 is beta | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | You're a brave man to use it | 06:10 |
| HomeMech | ok - and I set it to 'minor' | 06:10 |
| HomeMech | oh really ? dam - I thought 7.6 was close to being released ? | 06:10 |
| HomeMech | *sigh* oh well - might as well play guinea pig while I'm learning :-) | 06:10 |
| HomeMech | ok - bugs filed | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll help the community a lot | 06:11 |
| HomeMech | can I go to /user/steve/profile or something ? | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | op=auth;method=displayAccount | 06:11 |
| HomeMech | perlDreamer: No joy with that either ? | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | what's in the webgui.log file? | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | something bad is happening | 06:14 |
| HomeMech | its pissy about Account.pm - which is something I broke | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the problem | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | the second URL fragment that I gave you should work | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | once you fix the Account.pm syntax error, it'll work better :) | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | do you need help with that? | 06:17 |
| HomeMech | Hmm - I actually - I didn't touch account.pm - lemme see whats in there | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | whoops, time to be a dad (I have to brush teeth tonight). Be back in 20. | 06:18 |
| HomeMech | :-D | 06:18 |
| HomeMech | even after commenting out my changes to Account::Profile and restarting I get this when attemtping to access the profile page: | 06:23 |
| HomeMech | 2008/12/13 04:13:39 - ERROR - test2.digitalmusicnews.com.conf - WebGUI::Operation::execute[60] - Can't call method "isa" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm line 162. | 06:23 |
| HomeMech | $instance = eval { WebGUI::Content::Account->createInstance($session,$identifier) }; | 06:30 |
| HomeMech | if (my $e = WebGUI::Error->caught) { | 06:30 |
| HomeMech | lsif(!$instance->isa('WebGUI::Account')) { | 06:30 |
| HomeMech | so it looks like the eval is returning UNDEF without setting WebGUI::Error->caught ? | 06:31 |
| HomeMech | Hmm - looking at Content::Account.pm line 100 - it appears that $pluggin = WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate($config->{className}, "new", [$session, $module]); | 06:38 |
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| HomeMech | is returning something that isn't a 'WebGUI::Account | 06:39 |
| HomeMech | (it also appears that we're checking 'isa("WebGUI::Account") twice ) | 06:39 |
| HomeMech | it calls WebGUI::Error::InvalidOjbect->throw() so I'm not sure what WebGUI::Error->caught isn't registering it ? | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | what's wrong with the object in the first place? | 06:41 |
| HomeMech | beats me | 06:42 |
| HomeMech | I haven't unwound it that far | 06:42 |
| HomeMech | it appears that $pluggin = WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate() is unhappy | 06:42 |
| HomeMech | it could be failing to find $config = __PACKAGE__->getAccountConfig($session,$module,$configs); | 06:44 |
| HomeMech | that returns an undef without logging any errors | 06:44 |
| HomeMech | (it _does_ do a Error->throw() though, so it should still get caught on return) | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it could also be an error in the config file, in the account section | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | a JSON error | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | although, you didn't add that... | 06:46 |
| HomeMech | hmm - thing is - it creates the account ? I created one for you, and one for me ? | 06:46 |
| HomeMech | its only when we try to view the profile page it bargs | 06:46 |
| HomeMech | s/bargs/barfs/ | 06:47 |
| HomeMech | where is WebGUI::Error defined ? | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | inside WebGUI::Exception | 06:47 |
| HomeMech | that makes sense... | 06:48 |
| HomeMech | Hmm - its throwing WebGUI::Error::InvalidObject but looking to see if WebGUI::Error caught anything - could that part of the problem ? | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | No, it's a subclass | 06:53 |
| HomeMech | yeah - just found the cpan module docs | 06:53 |
| HomeMech | hmm - its looking at WebGUI::Error->caught() but the lil sample in the docs would appear to be looking at WebGui::Exception->caught() ?? | 06:55 |
| HomeMech | (i.e. the sample is looking at the class of the container, not the actual exception ) | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Error->caught is used all the way through WebGUI | 06:58 |
| HomeMech | ahh - well, I'm out of ideas then | 06:59 |
| HomeMech | the obvious answer is its returning undef without throw()ing anything | 06:59 |
| HomeMech | but I can't see how | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | there shouldn't be a return undef after the throws | 07:02 |
| HomeMech | oh ? | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | throw is like doing a nice "die" | 07:03 |
| HomeMech | I thought that was just to prevent it returning some random pluggin type | 07:03 |
| HomeMech | ahh - so it never gets to the return ? | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's like it does get to the return, which is really weird | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Account is very, very new | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but we need to know the core reason it's trying to throw so we can recreate the problem locally for debuggin | 07:04 |
| HomeMech | ok... | 07:05 |
| HomeMech | whats the logging function for webGui ? I'll stick a log message in there with the value of $pluggin | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->log->warn | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | $pluggin will be an object | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and perl objects don't pretty print by default | 07:08 |
| HomeMech | or undef | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't print undef either | 07:08 |
| HomeMech | blah | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it will stringify and say '' | 07:08 |
| HomeMech | ok I've got a text label in there so I can detect a null output | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 07:08 |
| HomeMech | and I put a 'gonna throw' right before the last throw() call | 07:09 |
| HomeMech | lemme see what that gives me | 07:09 |
| HomeMech | nada -nil - nien | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's throwing before your logs | 07:10 |
| HomeMech | no - i'm an idgit | 07:10 |
| HomeMech | lemme save the dam file first | 07:10 |
| HomeMech | (slow connection tonight) | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and restart the server | 07:11 |
| * HomeMech mutters about stupid required ';'s.... | 07:12 | |
| HomeMech | still nada - adding more log messages | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | is there anything farther up in the logfile? | 07:13 |
| HomeMech | nope - that message I pasted repeats | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | weird | 07:14 |
| HomeMech | wtf? now I have connection errors with mysql | 07:17 |
| HomeMech | now I'm getting httpd process too big | 07:20 |
| HomeMech | I can browse the site ok... | 07:24 |
| HomeMech | but I get a bunch of httpd process too big errors from modperl | 07:24 |
| HomeMech | and I'm not getting any of my log messages when I attempt to hit the profile page | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm tapped, HomeMech | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds like you're having OS problems | 07:24 |
| HomeMech | ahh - thanks for the help :-) | 07:25 |
| HomeMech | I'll keep messing about | 07:25 |
| HomeMech | I've got my code in /data/client | 07:25 |
| HomeMech | so maybe I'll just re-pull the svn code fresh and start over - see how that works | 07:25 |
| HomeMech | ok - the apache size stuff is due to /data/wre/etc/modperl.pl | 07:38 |
| HomeMech | it specifies a process size limit in there | 07:39 |
| HomeMech | ok - I increased the process sizes in modperl.pl - no more errors there | 07:47 |
| HomeMech | and I have a fresh checkout of webGUi from svn - _without_ my changes | 07:47 |
| HomeMech | and after creating a new user - going to &op=auth;method=displayAccount just sits at the home page without generating any errors | 07:48 |
| HomeMech | nothing on the screen, nothing in the logs | 07:48 |
| HomeMech | anyway - time to spend some time with da woman... | 07:50 |
| HomeMech | later all :-) | 07:50 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8952 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 08:57 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: recordResponse tests (just a few) | 08:57 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where if a section is terminal, and has no questions, it did not return the terminal flag as true. | 08:57 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: A little recordResponse POD. | 08:57 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8953 /experimental/Automat/ (5 files in 4 dirs): better automat shell with a true api | 08:58 |
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| HomeMech | Mornin all | 05:26 |
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| HomeMech | anyone know if I need a svn version of the wre to run the svn version of wG ? | 06:15 |
| HomeMech | I updated my svn last nite, and now I don't appear to be getting any log messages webgui.log ? | 06:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8955 /experimental/Automat/ (5 files in 3 dirs): phase 4 well underway | 06:21 |
| HomeMech | Ahhh | 06:22 |
| HomeMech | I figured out my 'displayAccount' problem... | 06:22 |
| HomeMech | I had to logout of wG, and log back in... | 06:23 |
| HomeMech | even though I restarted wG, something needed to be cleared & re-loaded. | 06:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | HomeMech: no, you should be able to run the latest WG svn version on a recent version of the WRE. | 06:24 |
| HomeMech | perlmonkey2: thanks :-) I added a couple of debug lines and don't get them - so I was wondering... | 06:25 |
| HomeMech | in fact, /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log is totally empty - 0 byte file | 06:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | HomeMech: is modperl running? do you have permissions set correctly? | 06:26 |
| HomeMech | I assume so - I haven't changed anything - and it was logging like a bastard last nite... | 06:27 |
| HomeMech | also, the site is up and running - so I'm guessing all the pieces are running | 06:27 |
| HomeMech | webgui.log is owned by root | 06:28 |
| HomeMech | but everything is running as webgui ? wtf... | 06:28 |
| HomeMech | stoping wG, removing webGui.log | 06:29 |
| HomeMech | restarting | 06:29 |
| HomeMech | stupid thing comes back as owned by root again... | 06:30 |
| HomeMech | oh - webgui doesn't automagically change effective user does it - wait - yes it does or everything would be running as root.. | 06:30 |
| HomeMech | chown'd it to 'webgui.webgui' and its still not logging anything | 06:33 |
| HomeMech | log.conf was set to ERROR level :-P | 06:39 |
| HomeMech | another problem solved | 06:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | HomeMech: yeah, for tracing on a particular bug/issue, I always output to ERROR. That way you don't have to lower your logging level and clutter up the log. | 06:46 |
| HomeMech | yeah - the examples I found just showed 'warn' so I used that | 06:47 |
| HomeMech | I usually use the 'default' level myself, so I dont' have to change stuff | 06:47 |
| HomeMech | (I actually don't like log4j based logging systems... they never seem to do what I want.) | 06:48 |
| HomeMech | generally I want to start logging at a specific level _here_ and keep logging at that level until _there_ | 06:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | HomeMech: what do you like better than log4j? I've always found it cumbersome and painful, but I've never found anything even remotely better. | 06:48 |
| HomeMech | so I can 'trace' program flow, etc. but having to 'hard code' the logging levels sorta defeats that | 06:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, I like that. That's exactly what I want to be able to do also | 06:49 |
| HomeMech | I haven't found anything better | 06:49 |
| HomeMech | I just cant believe people actually like log4j type stuff | 06:49 |
| HomeMech | :-P | 06:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but at the start of *your* module, it would be nice to turn it to low level logging, then turn it back to exception loggin gfor the rest. | 06:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | maybe there is a way to do it. | 06:50 |
| HomeMech | right - the log messages and the 'warning level' should probably be different calls | 06:50 |
| HomeMech | hmm - no, it actually more like an 'override'... | 06:51 |
| HomeMech | set the default log level to 'xxx' _EXCEPT_ for foo::bar::baz where it should be set to 'yyy' | 06:51 |
| HomeMech | anyway, back to work | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | HomeMech: please tell me you are in Australia or someplace where it is sunny and bright and you aren't killing yourself on a Saturday night. | 06:53 |
| HomeMech | LOL | 06:54 |
| HomeMech | *silence* | 06:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | doh :P | 06:54 |
| HomeMech | I'm in San Jose, California - you ? | 06:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Ada, Oklahoma | 06:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | actually I'm outside the "city" | 06:55 |
| HomeMech | Please tell me it was named after Ada Lovelace :-) | 06:55 |
| HomeMech | *doh!* | 06:55 |
| HomeMech | I really need to learn to stop wG before deleting the /data/WebGUI dir :-P | 06:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hope you had a backup | 06:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no idea who the city was named for. | 06:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But it wasn't Lovelace | 06:56 |
| HomeMech | nah - I'm just re-pulling the svn - so I can test my 'patching' process against a clean copy | 06:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I got my degree from the Uni there and got my first job as an Ada dev when my name was kicked up from a company looking for Ada programmers. I had barely even heard of the language, but I still landed the job. Ah, my misspent youth and that misspent sign on bonus :P | 06:58 |
| HomeMech | LOL | 06:58 |
| HomeMech | I never actually did any Ada work... | 06:58 |
| HomeMech | I can remember it was supposed to take over the world, due to the DoD mandate... | 06:59 |
| HomeMech | but somehow, it never seemed to happen | 06:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Actually I never even learned the language. I spent 5 months there and decided it wasn't for me. New engineers spent their time testing, and between the desert and clicking yes/no on testing screens, I decided life was too short. | 07:00 |
| HomeMech | desert ? were you down in the southwest ? I lived in phx for a few years... | 07:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Albuquerque | 07:01 |
| HomeMech | oh ? the naval weapons testing place ? | 07:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I heard Phoenix was like Albuquerque only bigger, hotter, and dryer. | 07:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nope. | 07:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Not San Dias. | 07:02 |
| HomeMech | phx was ok - _everything_ is AC'd so its not too bad... | 07:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Aircraft navigation systems. | 07:02 |
| HomeMech | ahh - I got an offer to go out there for work on naval missle systems.. | 07:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | INS, GPS, Kalman filters. | 07:03 |
| HomeMech | I was worried I'd flip a sign bit and end up with missiles hitting Canada :-P | 07:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It was certainly an 8-5 job though. Great benefits, and you never ever took work home with you. | 07:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | And the pay was outstanding. | 07:04 |
| HomeMech | yeah - contract work generally is :-) (well paying) | 07:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Plus comp time so any hours you worked overtime, you could take off. | 07:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I don't think I worked a Friday my entire time there. | 07:04 |
| HomeMech | I've contracted on and off for 30 years now - my fav was when I went to phx.... | 07:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What's the attraction of that city? | 07:05 |
| HomeMech | because I was 'based' out of New york city - I got like $700/day tax free | 07:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Just seems like a big city, like any other, only in the desert. | 07:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nice | 07:05 |
| HomeMech | so basically my entire pay was tax free | 07:05 |
| HomeMech | phx is nice if your a 'day-time outdoor' person | 07:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I thought NY had greedy tax laws that taxed your full income as if it was in-state? | 07:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So that you could end up paying two state income taxes? | 07:06 |
| HomeMech | NYC had lousy taxes | 07:06 |
| HomeMech | but I was talking about the feds. | 07:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ic | 07:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, they're the big hogs anyways | 07:06 |
| HomeMech | yeah - nyc basically got pissed that everyone in jersey city and souther connecticut worked in manhattan | 07:06 |
| HomeMech | so they just decided that if you _make_ your money in NY, you pay tax in NY | 07:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, make their money in NYC and then take it home to spend in the burbs | 07:07 |
| HomeMech | exactly | 07:07 |
| HomeMech | but dam - that contract was _fun_ | 07:07 |
| HomeMech | it was like 12 (15?) years ago now... | 07:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | what did you do that was so fun, besides make obscene amounts of dough? | 07:08 |
| HomeMech | but I was a single, twenty-something in a town full of hot college girls with like $4K a week of disposable income :-P | 07:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 07:08 |
| HomeMech | well - among other things - I think I raised the value of Stoli's stock about $3/share :-P | 07:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah yes, the great american pass time. Chasing skirt. | 07:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | woh even uses that phrase anymore? What am, like 90? | 07:10 |
| HomeMech | hell yeah :-) | 07:10 |
| HomeMech | LOL | 07:10 |
| HomeMech | chasing tail ? | 07:10 |
| HomeMech | my friend used to refer to it as 'ho hunting' or just 'hunting' | 07:10 |
| HomeMech | though in my case "get shit faced drunk and go home alone" probably would have been more accurate :-) | 07:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I spent m crazier days in Golden, CO, and we'd usually end our nights with drunken forays into the mountains. Hop on our scooters build a bonfire, and wake up hung over, freezing cold, and wondering where we were. | 07:13 |
| HomeMech | Golden? Isn't that where the Coors brewery is ? | 07:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I woke up once with a broken ankle. I apparently lost at "jump over the bonfire". | 07:13 |
| HomeMech | Must have had cheap beer, eh ? | 07:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Heh, yes it is...... | 07:13 |
| HomeMech | ohhh...ouch | 07:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | When you go to the tour, ask for the "short tour". You are taken straight to the tasting room. | 07:14 |
| HomeMech | ROFL | 07:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | When I was there it was 3 glasses max. But they didn't keep close watch and they were pint glasses. | 07:15 |
| HomeMech | heh... | 07:15 |
| HomeMech | I was one of the lucky ones - I grew up in new hampshire - just across the river from Vermont. So I was a 'grand-father baby' and legal to drink at 18 in Vermont | 07:16 |
| HomeMech | (Vt. was the last state to go to 21) | 07:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | My cousin worked there for a while. He had stories of cleaning out the vats. But before they would clean them, they would jump in with their mugs, and get sloshed off the remainder. | 07:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Heh, sweet | 07:16 |
| HomeMech | Hehe - now that could be a fun job :-) | 07:16 |
| HomeMech | my friend wants to give up perl coding to get into micro-brewing... | 07:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | not sure I'd want to be on foot on the docs when the forklifts are being ran by guys with an empty case at their feet. | 07:17 |
| HomeMech | he's an awesome coder - works for symantec... but he's my age, and getting burnt out on computers | 07:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well if he can get good at it, there's always money in beer. | 07:17 |
| HomeMech | he's actually pretty good at it | 07:17 |
| HomeMech | he just got back into it after a 3 years hiatus, and it set him back about $3k | 07:18 |
| HomeMech | appernetly if you want to do 'real' brewing, it's expensive :-P | 07:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bad time to be getting in though. there's just been the huge micro-brew phenom and everyone and their dog has dabbled in it. | 07:18 |
| HomeMech | yeah? I'm more a vodka person... Beer is getting like wine - takes you 20 minutes and a lecture in what makes 'good beer' to order a drink :-P | 07:19 |
| HomeMech | I went to a german pub with him once - and I swear I had like three drinks in the time it took them to pour his _first_ beer | 07:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Even in backwoods OK you'll find a micro in any self-respecting restaurant. | 07:19 |
| HomeMech | it was like a 20 minute ordeal | 07:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 07:20 |
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| HomeMech | hmm - I wonder what pl/1 contractors are getting these days... | 07:21 |
| HomeMech | I think stratus went out of biz. | 07:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I enjoy all the different speciality beers like anyone else. But really, give me a case of Coors light and I'm just as happy. | 07:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | pl/1 are there really people that cursed? | 07:22 |
| * HomeMech raises hand | 07:22 | |
| HomeMech | and I Liked Cobol too :-) | 07:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh wow | 07:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, well then you get what you deserve :P | 07:23 |
| HomeMech | if ya gotta work on accounting systems, Cobol is the only way to go | 07:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | really? | 07:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the only way? | 07:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that is strong language. | 07:23 |
| HomeMech | yeah - basically, COBOL was designed for building accounting systems | 07:23 |
| HomeMech | its self-documenting, simple, has nice built in features | 07:24 |
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| HomeMech | (at least nice for things like accounting) | 07:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | it is like a language who's only purpose was for building forms in terminals and making life hell for developers. | 07:24 |
| HomeMech | LOL | 07:24 |
| HomeMech | and did I mention financial companies pay mad rates ? | 07:24 |
| HomeMech | when I was on wall st. - like 20 years ago - we had programmers pulling $200/hr. | 07:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | they have to, cause only soulless mercenaries will program in Cobol. | 07:25 |
| HomeMech | well - like you said - its not like you take your work home with you... | 07:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | good point. | 07:25 |
| HomeMech | 8 hours of Cobol for mad bank, and that leaves 16 hours to 'console' yourself :-) | 07:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, my last job was basically 13 hour days, 6 days a week for 3 years. | 07:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and while it was Perl, it wasn't worth it. | 07:26 |
| HomeMech | ouch - thats almost as bad as being self employeed | 07:26 |
| HomeMech | dice only seems to have 1 pl/1 job listed - us customs in Boston for $75-95K | 07:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | It was a lot of fun though. Web mining, Psychology, NLP, incredibly hot graduate students in the Centre. | 07:27 |
| * HomeMech hears hot students and picks up :-) | 07:28 | |
| HomeMech | s/picks/perks/ | 07:28 |
| HomeMech | Natural Language Processing in perl ? | 07:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and I don't know what it is about Psych students, but an incredible bunch to work with. Just a log of really good fun people. | 07:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah. | 07:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Ted Pederson's work from Deluth, mostly. | 07:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I mean, I used his work, not that I worked on his projects. | 07:29 |
| HomeMech | that must have been interesting - I did a pl/1 parser in perl ... perl has some interesting features for parsers | 07:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | RecDescent? | 07:29 |
| HomeMech | thought for NLP, you must have had some obscene grammars | 07:30 |
| HomeMech | Um - I think shift-reduce - its been a while | 07:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm contractrually obligated to not get into any details :P | 07:30 |
| HomeMech | this was just before magelang put out there grammar toolkit... umm... | 07:30 |
| HomeMech | ANTLR | 07:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but I don't know why the grammars would have been obscene? just specific to their purpose. | 07:31 |
| HomeMech | dam, I wish ANTLR had been around when I was doing that | 07:31 |
| HomeMech | for natural language? them must have been huge ? | 07:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The grammars were actually fairly straightforward, but the ontologies were incredible | 07:32 |
| HomeMech | oh? interesting | 07:32 |
| HomeMech | I've always wanted to learn AI techniques - but never found a contact for it... | 07:32 |
| HomeMech | I actually think writing AI's for computer games would be kinda nice | 07:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | AI? NN's? | 07:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | expert systems? | 07:33 |
| HomeMech | dunno - I don't know where the state of the art is these days... | 07:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | real AI's or the rule based expert systems normally seen? | 07:33 |
| HomeMech | there was Neural nets, fuzzy logic, expert systems, etc etc | 07:33 |
| HomeMech | rule based game AI's sound kinda limited ?? maybe goal seeking ? | 07:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, I'll leave that one to the pointy heads, tenured, and who's only real job is torturing grad students and writing grant proposals. | 07:34 |
| HomeMech | LOL | 07:34 |
| HomeMech | thats why I said for computer games :-) I just want the small, 'fun' part of the problem | 07:35 |
| HomeMech | cellular automata sound cool too | 07:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, which is why I was using Pederson's work instead of signing up at his school to further his work :P I just wanted the fun parts. | 07:35 |
| HomeMech | hehe - well, Larry did say a good coder is lazy :-) | 07:36 |
| HomeMech | oh crap... there is actionscript and javascript support in ANTLR now... | 07:38 |
| HomeMech | sounds like they're even better supported then python | 07:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmmm | 07:40 |
| HomeMech | Do you really need a production quality parser and tree walker/decorator in Actionscript ?? :-P | 07:41 |
| HomeMech | I guess so, since someone did it - but dammmmm..... | 07:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | probably did it as their thesis. who would use it? | 07:41 |
| HomeMech | I don't know.... | 07:41 |
| HomeMech | maybe adobe uses it for parsing as files ?? :-P | 07:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | actionscript always seemed like a toy language, but I never really got too deep into it. | 07:42 |
| HomeMech | as3 isn't too bad | 07:42 |
| HomeMech | flex got rid of the whole 'movie' crap and let you do OO code | 07:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I wouldn't think adobe would be too deep into actionscript, as they just bought it. | 07:42 |
| HomeMech | right - maybe antlr is used for the official adobe as parser ? | 07:43 |
| HomeMech | they use eclipse as their IDE now, I think.. | 07:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, doesnt' adobe have a major text processing tool? | 07:43 |
| HomeMech | so they could use antlr to generate both a java and as version of the parser | 07:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, because wouldn't you love the be the team manager in charge of supporting that? | 07:44 |
| HomeMech | heh | 07:44 |
| HomeMech | I'd really like to be able to use eclipse... | 07:44 |
| HomeMech | its just too dam slow | 07:44 |
| HomeMech | even on my dual core machines | 07:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | eclipse? | 07:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I prefer netbeans | 07:45 |
| HomeMech | I haven't used netbeans in ages .... | 07:45 |
| HomeMech | but I'd love to have all the report generators and shit the java guys get with eclipse | 07:45 |
| HomeMech | python generally gets shitty IDE support because its like javascript - there's no way to tell what methods an object has without asking the object... | 07:46 |
| HomeMech | you can't tell from static analysis | 07:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I used eclipse for a while, but netbeans always seemed the superior product. And now that its RMS approved, I see no reason at all for Java Eclipse | 07:46 |
| HomeMech | Sun gpl'd something ? | 07:46 |
| HomeMech | wow | 07:46 |
| HomeMech | wish they'd do that with ZFS | 07:46 |
| * HomeMech can't stand gpl... | 07:47 | |
| HomeMech | if your going to do 'free' software - just use the bsd/mit license and be done with it.. | 07:47 |
| HomeMech | gpl causes more problems then it solves | 07:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah they gpl'd something. Like Java | 07:47 |
| HomeMech | java is gpl'd ? when'd that happen ? | 07:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm running Sun Java and Netbeans on Fedora now and I didn't even have to use the evil non-free repos. | 07:48 |
| HomeMech | it was community license last I saw.... | 07:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, this year I think is when it was all wrapped up. I think announced last year. | 07:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | On 13 November 2006, Sun released much of Java as free and open source software under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL). On 8 May 2007 Sun finished the process, making all of Java's core code free and open-source, aside from a small portion of code to which Sun did not hold the copyright.[9] | 07:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | from wikipedia | 07:49 |
| HomeMech | a company I contract for was contracted by sun to help them decide whether or not to gpl solaris | 07:49 |
| HomeMech | oh shit - cool | 07:50 |
| HomeMech | the two best things at sun lately IMHO are virtualbox and zfs | 07:50 |
| HomeMech | java and solaris are pretty boring | 07:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | virtualbox is better than xen, QEMU, KVM? | 07:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but yeah, ZFS needs to be FOSS'd | 07:53 |
| HomeMech | virtualbox was better... | 07:54 |
| HomeMech | it was cross platform, easy to install, supported usb ( I think)... | 07:54 |
| HomeMech | I use Xen for our hosting stuff - but I haven't looked at qemu or kvm lately | 07:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | unless you are hosting servers, virtualization just means Windows to me. I think of Windows and I get a little sick to my stomach. | 07:55 |
| HomeMech | we use Debian based servers with Xen virtualization | 07:57 |
| HomeMech | works pretty well | 07:57 |
| HomeMech | though I'm think we might do some amazon ec2 stuff just for comparision | 07:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | anyways, I'm outy5000 | 07:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hasta | 07:58 |
| HomeMech | g'nite :-) | 07:59 |
| HomeMech | thanks for the help | 07:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh, not that I did anything, but your welcome :) | 07:59 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8958 /wrebuild/wre/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: - Multiple copies of WRE Monitor can no longer run simultaneously, this | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: eliminates the possibility of WRE Monitor panic. | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8959 /experimental/Automat/ (4 files in 3 dirs): phase 4 is complete except for copying sites, and testing | 19:55 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8960 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server | 22:07 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8962 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account.pm: Fix i18n file namespace. | 00:21 |
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| @perlmonkey21 | uhg, how can I possibly know why modperl if failing to start when all I get is child exited with seg fault. | 02:23 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8963 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:37 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add a mutator for questionsAnswered, with tests. | 02:37 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Correct POD for recordResponses. | 02:37 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Begin recordResponses answer processing tests. | 02:37 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8964 /branch/survey-rfe/ (53 files in 27 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 03:02 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Merge branch 'master' into survey | 03:02 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: * master: (36 commits) | 03:02 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add a mutator for questionsAnswered, with tests. | 03:02 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix i18n file namespace. | 03:02 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Flesh out the recordResponses POD. Almost ready for more in depth testing. | 03:03 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: recordResponse tests (just a few) | 03:03 |
| patspam | perlmonkey21: i feel your pain! | 03:03 |
| patspam | there are some things you can do | 03:03 |
| patspam | like change modperl to single process mode | 03:04 |
| patspam | MaxClients = 1 | 03:04 |
| patspam | also have a look at Debug::FaultAutoBT | 03:04 |
| patspam | and Debug::DumpCore | 03:05 |
| patspam | more info here: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/playing-with-modperl-coredumps | 03:06 |
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| @perlmonkey21 | patspam: ah, sweet, thanks | 03:19 |
| SDuensin | Anybody know how to build DBI::mysql on Leopard without dropping back to a 32-bit MySQL? | 03:23 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8965 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/LDAPLink.pm): Fix a bug where deleting a LDAPlink throws a runtime error. | 04:38 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8966 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Remove the deleteFileUrl X icon from attachments in the CS. | 05:04 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8967 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Forward porting removal of deleteFileUrl from Posts in the CS, re bug 9260. | 05:04 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8968 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.7/ (2 files): Internationalize two Gallery templates. | 05:24 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8969 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the calendar print list template | 05:24 |
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| patspam | you still awake perlmonkey21? | 05:41 |
| @perlmonkey21 | here | 05:42 |
| patspam | i just implemented Survey Jump-to combo box (#9202) | 05:45 |
| patspam | using a yui autocomplete so that they can choose from the existing list or type their own | 05:45 |
| @perlmonkey21 | patspam: nice | 05:46 |
| @perlmonkey21 | very nice | 05:46 |
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| patspam | yeah it's very unobtrusive on the user which feels right | 05:47 |
| @perlmonkey21 | patspam: in the main branch? | 05:47 |
| patspam | nah to the survey-rfe branch | 05:47 |
| @perlmonkey21 | ah | 05:47 |
| @perlmonkey21 | too bad | 05:47 |
| patspam | yeah i know! | 05:47 |
| patspam | damn that feature freeze ;) | 05:47 |
| @perlmonkey21 | You could probably talk da' boss into getting it in, since no one could really be using it yet anyways. | 05:48 |
| patspam | heh yeah true, no-one except me | 05:49 |
| patspam | next I'm going to have a crack at branch expressions | 05:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8970 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n a time tracking template | 05:51 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8971 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 05:51 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Implemented Survey Jump-to combo box (#9202) | 05:51 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: You will need to manually import survey_rfe_9202 until this branch is | 05:51 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: merged back into trunk. | 05:51 |
| patspam | but now it's lunchtime :) | 05:55 |
| @perlmonkey21 | lunch at 3pm? | 05:58 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8973 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: | 08:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: SurveyJSON->update() should iterate over supplied object keys, not | 08:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: existing object keys. Also applied PBP formatting, fat commas, etc.. | 08:11 |
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| dogcow | can someone point me to the correct API to use to create users in webgui outside of the GUI | 14:48 |
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| +BartJol | npinansky: wait a sec | 14:54 |
| +BartJol | you don't mean from the command prompt do you? | 14:55 |
| +BartJol | in /data/WebGUI/sbin there is an userImport.pl script | 14:55 |
| Radix_ | npinansky: I've also written a custom one to create users via a url which is good as an example too.. it's in the bazaar | 15:02 |
| npinansky | thanks | 15:03 |
| npinansky | i think WebGUI::Auth::createAccountSave | 15:04 |
| npinansky | is what im looking for | 15:04 |
| npinansky | just wanted to confirm | 15:04 |
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| npinansky | Radix_: whats it called? | 15:05 |
| npinansky | nm found it | 15:12 |
| npinansky | thx bud thats exactly what i was looking for | 15:12 |
| Radix_ | np | 15:21 |
| Radix_ | enjoy :) | 15:22 |
| * Radix_ wanders off to bed. | 15:22 | |
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| +BartJol | I have kind off a problem in my 7.6.5/6 instance, in the assetManager, my assets aren't shown, the crumbtrail at the top seems to work, but the rest does not, anyone else has seen this problem? | 16:09 |
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| Lisette | i have a workflow and when i try to run the spectre is down, anyone knows why? | 17:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Lisette: do you mean that the workflow is causing spectre to go down? What do the logs say? | 17:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | My weather station read 77F yesterday afternoon, and before midnight read 13f :D Now that is a cold front. | 17:41 |
| @Haarg | i doubt a workflow would cause spectre to go down, but any spectre issue will likely show in the logs some way or another | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: can you please talk in celsius? fahrenheit scale is obsolete and should not be used and is generally considered offensive | 17:49 |
| @Haarg | heh | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | what heh? can't handle the thruth? | 17:50 |
| @Haarg | i'd like to switch to using celsius, but that's not really viable in this country | 17:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Celsius doens't have the resolution to truly express temperature in human terms. Do you want a scale that you have to use fractions of to be meaningful? | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | well, I hear all things about changes the last time I watched Obama, he can change that too | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: what, does fahrenheit also include a factor for chilly winds or moist in the air? thaose are really human terms, so temperature is a bit desceptive anyway | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | and I'm not that sensitive that I can make out less than a degree in temp difference | 17:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: if the US were to switch, why would they switch to C instead of K? | 17:56 |
| +BartJol | because I say it's better ;) | 17:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | We will not bow to the European Imperialist !!!! | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | and K is also quite uncanny, that 273.15 point where it's freezing | 17:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Take your fancy units of measurement, based on science and really much more useful than the imperial measurements, and forget about it :P | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | 373.15 for boiling, Celsius does just make sense | 17:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 0 for freezing, 100 for boiling. That is just crazy talk. | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | he, we measure in K when where doing science | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: why? | 17:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Everyone knows it is 32 for freezing and 212 for boiling. :P | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | <0 =cold >100 = warm | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | sure | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | you'd rather see it in hexadecimal system too, don't you? | 18:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: now you are picking on hex? | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | no, but it's unpractical | 18:02 |
| SDuensin | How is hex unpractical? (Morning all.) It was very efficient doing ASM on the 6502! | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | or in multples of the constant of boltzman, that would be fun, | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | well, a lot of people can't read it | 18:03 |
| SDuensin | Hey, that's their problem. :-) | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | gotta go to my mummy | 18:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: 6502? What were you doing with that? | 18:04 |
| SDuensin | Multiples of boltzman? Sounds like the "Alex" on MacBreak Weekly. | 18:04 |
| SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - Apple II Forever, baby! | 18:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah | 18:04 |
| * SDuensin has been coding since he was just one byte old. | 18:04 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | it still boggles the mind that chips magnitudes more powerful than the AII can be had for less than a buck. | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | (That would be 8, for you non-geeks.) | 18:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Oh, I thought you were 255. | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | No, what really boggles the mind is that a 16Mhz chip *for* the Apple II is still over $300! | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | Hehehee | 18:05 |
| +BartJol | have fun | 18:06 |
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| * SDuensin really wants a TransWarp or a Zip. | 18:06 | |
| SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - Check this insanity out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=320321417777 | 18:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: heh, same reason old furniture costs so much. Not because it is better, but just because it is old. | 18:09 |
| SDuensin | But you can get the entire machine, drive, monitor, and printer for $50! | 18:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well then $300 does ring of crazy | 18:10 |
| SDuensin | If it was a one time thing, sure. But every single one goes like that! | 18:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If I want something slow, I'll buy a gumstix, since it is is 42 times faster, the size of a stickc of gum, and only $130. | 18:13 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but it doesn't make nearly as cool a retro Linux console. :-P | 18:14 |
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| wgGuest48 | hey everyone | 18:46 |
| wgGuest48 | dunno who is around that can or is interested in chatting up an install issue | 18:46 |
| wgGuest48 | i was originally just going to snag the appliance to get up and running quickly | 18:47 |
| wgGuest48 | but, since i am using esxi, i need an ovf file to import the webgui applianace | 18:47 |
| wgGuest48 | so... that doesnt fly unless someone has an ovf for the existing appliance? | 18:47 |
| wgGuest48 | then, from there, I tried installing centos 5.2 bare | 18:47 |
| wgGuest48 | that went fine, but when i try to get something going for webgui | 18:48 |
| wgGuest48 | i get this : | 18:48 |
| wgGuest48 | Had to create DBD::mysql::dr::imp_data_size unexpectedly at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBI.pm line 1195. | 18:48 |
| wgGuest48 | and it says it cant cnonect or start mysql even though its running (and its the one from webgui) | 18:48 |
| wgGuest48 | phew | 18:48 |
| wgGuest48 | ok :) | 18:48 |
| * SDuensin doesn't even know what an OVF file is. :-( | 18:52 | |
| wgGuest48 | :) | 18:54 |
| wgGuest48 | its apparently an open format for virtual machines | 18:54 |
| wgGuest48 | not sure who made the spec but im sure vm had their hands in it | 18:54 |
| wgGuest48 | like a base config file | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | Oh. Cool. Open would be a good thing. | 18:54 |
| wgGuest48 | yup! agreed. | 18:54 |
| wgGuest48 | so i guess im out there as a loner in my situation :) | 18:55 |
| wgGuest48 | its odd | 18:55 |
| wgGuest48 | everything starts up.. the consle config port | 18:55 |
| * SDuensin uses so many VM tools that it's not even funny. | 18:55 | |
| wgGuest48 | and mysql starts up (im talking about my centos install now) | 18:55 |
| wgGuest48 | but its like webgui doesnt quite know it | 18:55 |
| wgGuest48 | theres a disconect somehwere | 18:55 |
| wgGuest48 | is 5.2 base (no updates) supported? | 18:55 |
| wgGuest48 | (and i was using a wre bin) | 18:56 |
| SDuensin | 32 bit? | 18:56 |
| wgGuest48 | no.. 64 bit | 18:56 |
| wgGuest48 | is that it? | 18:56 |
| SDuensin | Possibly. I don't know much about 32 bit software on a 64 bit Linux. I know the WRE is 32 bit at this point. | 18:56 |
| wgGuest48 | (currently, this machine has no need for 64 but.. like anyone else, it was picked just becasue) | 18:57 |
| wgGuest48 | actually. | 18:57 |
| wgGuest48 | mmm. | 18:57 |
| wgGuest48 | one sec. i mnay have used i386 because i wanted to be careful | 18:57 |
| wgGuest48 | [root@localhost sbin]# uname -i | 18:57 |
| wgGuest48 | yea. | 18:57 |
| wgGuest48 | i386 | 18:57 |
| wgGuest48 | so thats not it | 18:58 |
| wgGuest48 | mmm | 18:58 |
| wgGuest48 | odd. | 18:58 |
| wgGuest48 | like, if i got into the console, i can see that | 18:58 |
| wgGuest48 | mysql isnt runnig | 18:58 |
| wgGuest48 | but at the shell, it is | 18:58 |
| wgGuest48 | so theres some disconnect | 18:58 |
| wgGuest48 | and its in relation to that error. | 18:58 |
| wgGuest48 | shrug. | 18:58 |
| SDuensin | Well, the "Running" stuff gets it wrong every so often. | 19:00 |
| wgGuest48 | oh ok | 19:00 |
| SDuensin | Mine always tells me ModPerl "FAILED!" but it lies. | 19:00 |
| wgGuest48 | mmm yeabut i cant create the site bc it says it cant connect to mysql | 19:00 |
| SDuensin | Then maybe yours isn't lying. Do you have a non-WRE MySQL installed? | 19:01 |
| wgGuest48 | nope | 19:02 |
| wgGuest48 | [root@localhost sbin]# rpm -qa | grep mysql | 19:02 |
| wgGuest48 | [root@localhost sbin]# | 19:02 |
| wgGuest48 | and all the paths associated with the mysql thats started in the process list has the /data as the starting point so its wres... | 19:03 |
| SDuensin | Interesting. | 19:03 |
| wgGuest48 | yea. | 19:03 |
| wgGuest48 | shrug. | 19:03 |
| wgGuest48 | i guess i could try a different version just for the heck of it | 19:04 |
| wgGuest48 | maybe one rev back | 19:04 |
| wgGuest48 | maybe ill give that a shot next | 19:04 |
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| SDuensin | What WRE are you on? | 19:04 |
| * SDuensin uses Ubuntu, so he doesn't know all the CentOS issues. | 19:04 | |
| wgGuest48 | gotcha | 19:04 |
| wgGuest48 | ok well, thanks | 19:04 |
| wgGuest48 | ill give it a shot | 19:04 |
| SDuensin | OK - do come back. | 19:04 |
| wgGuest48 | ill idle in here for a min or two to see if anyone comes alive with other suggestions! | 19:05 |
| wgGuest48 | thanks | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | That's the best thing to do. Lurk. | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | The PlainBlack folks are very helpful when they're not swamped with work. They'll pop in and out all day. | 19:06 |
| wgGuest48 | ok sounds great thanks | 19:08 |
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| @Haarg | wgGuest48, it's not entirely clear what your setup is. | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | you are using CentOS 5.2, 32bit? | 19:12 |
| SDuensin | Hi Haarg | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | hello | 19:13 |
| wgGuest48 | Yea. | 19:18 |
| wgGuest48 | Sorry - I was away for a sec | 19:18 |
| wgGuest48 | hows it going. | 19:18 |
| wgGuest48 | so, yea, its centos 5.2 i386 running on a vm in vmware esxi | 19:19 |
| wgGuest48 | i tried importing the appliance in hopes of being up and runnign quick, but esxi wants to open applicances with an .ovf file - and that's it | 19:19 |
| @Haarg | it should be pretty simple to get the wre set up | 19:20 |
| wgGuest48 | thats exactly what i thought! :) | 19:21 |
| wgGuest48 | theres some kind of a disconnect | 19:21 |
| wgGuest48 | im not sure what it is, but when webgui the service fires up, i get mysql... i get it all | 19:21 |
| wgGuest48 | but i cant get wre to know that mysql is up | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | i don't know enough about vms to help with that part | 19:21 |
| wgGuest48 | it shows it as down in the console (via the web) | 19:21 |
| wgGuest48 | and then when trying to create a site, it says mysql isnt running | 19:21 |
| wgGuest48 | but it is the mysql from wre 110% | 19:21 |
| wgGuest48 | its just not connecting up to it for some reason | 19:21 |
| wgGuest48 | other than wre, this is a fresh install of centos 5.2 i36 | 19:22 |
| wgGuest48 | s/i36/i386/g | 19:22 |
| wgGuest48 | and im assuming this error is part of the problem that shows up in the webconsole log | 19:23 |
| wgGuest48 | Had to create DBD::mysql::dr::imp_data_size unexpectedly at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBI.pm line 1195. | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | from what i see online, that could be related to a different system version of DBD::mysql being installed | 19:28 |
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| @Haarg | maybe try removing the system mysql client and DBD::mysql if they exist | 19:29 |
| wgGuest48 | ok | 19:30 |
| wgGuest48 | lemme try that | 19:30 |
| wgGuest48 | [root@localhost docs]# rpm -qa | grep -i dbd | 19:30 |
| wgGuest48 | dhcdbd-2.2-1.el5 | 19:30 |
| wgGuest48 | so nothing on that one | 19:30 |
| wgGuest48 | [root@localhost docs]# rpm -qa | grep mysql | 19:31 |
| wgGuest48 | [root@localhost docs]# | 19:31 |
| wgGuest48 | same :9 | 19:31 |
| wgGuest48 | good idea tho | 19:31 |
| wgGuest48 | i wonder if vmware convertor will make webgui workstation vm (assumingly that was what was used) over to an esx based image | 19:32 |
| wgGuest48 | mmm | 19:32 |
| wgGuest48 | i could try that. | 19:32 |
| wgGuest48 | ok | 19:34 |
| wgGuest48 | that seems like it might fly. | 19:35 |
| wgGuest48 | you can take the ova and move that over to esxi land... | 19:35 |
| wgGuest48 | ok | 19:35 |
| wgGuest48 | cool. | 19:35 |
| wgGuest48 | ill go that direction for the time being. | 19:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | wgGuest48: I didn't read through all your comments, but it looks like it my be environmental. | 19:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if you start up wreconsole without the shell knowing where mysql is, that could be the problem. | 19:43 |
| wgGuest48 | i did the setupenvironment if thats what you are reffering to | 19:45 |
| wgGuest48 | i sourced it with a . setupenviornment.sh or whatever the name of the script is (typed without look) | 19:45 |
| wgGuest48 | perl : and thanks for taking a second and looking back at all of that | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and from the shell, you can access the mysql bins? | 19:45 |
| wgGuest48 | let me check before saying yes | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | >which mysql | 19:45 |
| wgGuest48 | [root@localhost sbin]# . ./setenvironment.sh | 19:46 |
| wgGuest48 | [root@localhost sbin]# which mysql | 19:46 |
| wgGuest48 | sorry for the delay | 19:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no problem | 19:46 |
| wgGuest48 | cant put multiple lines in via the java based irc client | 19:46 |
| wgGuest48 | :) | 19:46 |
| wgGuest48 | had to copy one by one | 19:46 |
| wgGuest48 | ahhh i havent irc'd in so long | 19:47 |
| wgGuest48 | bitchX and all the /load fun stuff... hooray | 19:47 |
| SDuensin | wgGuest48 - Awesome web IRC: www.mibbit.org | 19:47 |
| wgGuest48 | but i digress | 19:47 |
| SDuensin | Maybe mibbit.com. I forget. | 19:47 |
| wgGuest48 | i didnt notice what server this one was that you guys used so id have to go back and find that | 19:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | freenode | 19:47 |
| wgGuest48 | fair enoguh | 19:47 |
| wgGuest48 | ok | 19:47 |
| wgGuest48 | well like i said | 19:48 |
| wgGuest48 | im going to convert the vm image to something that esxi likes | 19:48 |
| wgGuest48 | that should do the trick for me | 19:48 |
| wgGuest48 | but if anyone is interested i can continue pluggin away at this | 19:48 |
| wgGuest48 | but yes, i agree it seems too local | 19:48 |
| SDuensin | If PB is using a Java IRC client, I *highly* recommend looking into the Mibbit widget. That service rocks. | 19:48 |
| wgGuest48 | i woudl think other people wuld have the problem | 19:48 |
| SDuensin | I'm interested to see what you find out. | 19:48 |
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| ecrotty | ahhh too long | 19:49 |
| ecrotty | i remember when you could register against efnet servers for nicks | 19:49 |
| ecrotty | too long, too long | 19:49 |
| ecrotty | :) | 19:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | wgGuest48: you said cent....selinux turned off, throwing errors? | 19:49 |
| ecrotty | no | 19:49 |
| ecrotty | i checked that too. | 19:49 |
| ecrotty | let me see if im in permissive | 19:50 |
| ecrotty | probably not | 19:50 |
| ecrotty | but there was nothing in /var/log/messages | 19:50 |
| ecrotty | brb | 19:50 |
| ecrotty | ok | 19:50 |
| ecrotty | it was enforcing | 19:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah | 19:50 |
| ecrotty | i put it to permissive and bounced it for good measure | 19:50 |
| ecrotty | set enforce 0 | 19:50 |
| ecrotty | seems to be a bit wonky to me? | 19:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah | 19:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | setenforce is one word | 19:51 |
| ecrotty | typ | 19:51 |
| ecrotty | o | 19:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | k | 19:51 |
| ecrotty | :) | 19:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | there won't be a policy in place for the wre mysql | 19:51 |
| ecrotty | makes sense! | 19:51 |
| ecrotty | i may have missed it | 19:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | weird that messages didn't have selinux exceptions | 19:51 |
| ecrotty | very nice thought | 19:51 |
| ecrotty | lets see | 19:51 |
| ecrotty | (and ill triple check for selinux messages) | 19:52 |
| ecrotty | root 2072 1 0 06:51 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh /data/wre/prereqs/bin/my | 19:52 |
| ecrotty | so i have it as a service | 19:52 |
| ecrotty | you can see mysql started ok | 19:52 |
| ecrotty | lets see what i get | 19:52 |
| ecrotty | Site could not be created because MySQL appears to be down. at ./wreconsole.pl line 234 | 19:53 |
| ecrotty | same | 19:53 |
| ecrotty | thats from the webconsole | 19:53 |
| ecrotty | services tab lists mysql and apache modperl as down | 19:53 |
| ecrotty | (in webconsole) | 19:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but you can connect to mysql from the CLI? | 19:54 |
| ecrotty | yea | 19:54 |
| ecrotty | [root@localhost sbin]# . ./setenvironment.sh | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | (one line at a time :D) | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | [root@localhost sbin]# which mysql | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | [root@localhost sbin]# mysql | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | ... | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | mysql> quit | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | Bye | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | so, yea thats good to go | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | and its a fresh install too | 19:55 |
| ecrotty | odd | 19:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | this is in a VM? is the wreconsole trying to connect to the correct address? | 19:56 |
| ecrotty | yea its in a vm... | 19:56 |
| ecrotty | this was a quick setup so its using a default linux domain of localhost.localdomain | 19:56 |
| ecrotty | whi | 19:56 |
| ecrotty | ch | 19:56 |
| ecrotty | is resolved as 127.0.0.1 | 19:57 |
| ecrotty | maybe ill throw the primary in there.... | 19:57 |
| ecrotty | if i come across the primary internal - 192.168.9.187 | 19:57 |
| ecrotty | and it only knows of itself as using loopback... | 19:57 |
| ecrotty | but i dont see where the problem is | 19:57 |
| ecrotty | with that? | 19:58 |
| ecrotty | let me see what it is binding to | 19:58 |
| ecrotty | im sure mysql is on both loopback and the real ip | 19:58 |
| ecrotty | tcp 0 0 *:mysql *:* LIST | 19:58 |
| ecrotty | os thats cool | 19:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you have a little time to talk about the LDAP/Edit User bug? | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | possibly | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | link? | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9284 | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't have any problems deleting the default LDAP link and then editing users | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | oh, that bug | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | do the users have to use LDAP auth for the bug to occur? | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | no | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case I'd have to say that 7.5.36 is better than 7.5.2x | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | since it worked okay on my dev box | 21:45 |
| @Haarg | let me check a couple things | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 21:48 |
| @Haarg | i'm not really sure. maybe it has been fixed already. i can't reproduce the problem either. | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | the other parts of the bug, like changing the default setting when the LDAPLink is deleted, I can fix. | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but the part about how user's using LDAP is handled, I'd need an LDAP server | 21:51 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm missing a perl module Class::C3 used fomr AssetAspect::Installable | 22:08 |
| Bernd_ | It's available from CPAN. | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe you need to upgrade your WRE? | 22:09 |
| daviddelikat | the odd thing is that I've been running for a week without it | 22:10 |
| daviddelikat | when did the new WRE get released? | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe you have not used any Assets that require Aspects? | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | Class::C3 is only used in aspects, afaik. | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | that's true | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not in the new WRE yet, and needs to be installed by hand | 22:11 |
| daviddelikat | does WRE come from the same cvn archive as WebGUI? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, a different branch though | 22:12 |
| daviddelikat | so should I just CPAN the module? | 22:13 |
| Bernd_ | cvn? Is that the mixture of svn and cvs? | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: yup | 22:13 |
| daviddelikat | Bernd_: i imagine so, I just invented it. | 22:13 |
| Bernd_ | Ok, so let's use cvn from now :-) | 22:14 |
| daviddelikat | Bernd_: coding starts next week... :) | 22:14 |
| Bernd_ | Good luck on your project! | 22:15 |
| Bernd_ | Damn it! My radio connection is letting me down again. | 22:16 |
| Bernd_ | Why is UMTS never there when you need it? | 22:16 |
| Bernd_ | English native speakers, is there a good synonym for commit? | 22:23 |
| Bernd_ | I just cannot come up with an adequate translation. | 22:23 |
| SDuensin | Apply? | 22:23 |
| Bernd_ | Hm, wouldn't make a good translation either. | 22:24 |
| Bernd_ | I need to translate the phrase "Your files have been submitted for approval and commit." | 22:24 |
| Bernd_ | Any other suggestion? | 22:25 |
| Bernd_ | German is so poor sometimes when it comes to computer language :-( | 22:25 |
| SDuensin | Thinking about it. | 22:25 |
| Bernd_ | Thanks! | 22:25 |
| Bernd_ | SDuensin, would you say it is equivalent to "to hand sth. over"? | 22:26 |
| SDuensin | Kinda, yea. | 22:27 |
| Bernd_ | That would work then. | 22:27 |
| Bernd_ | Thank you, again! | 22:27 |
| SDuensin | I don't know any German, so I'm not sure how that would be interpreted by a native speaker. | 22:27 |
| * SDuensin is one of those "One Language" American slobs. | 22:28 | |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it's add user, not edit user | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | ah | 22:48 |
| @Haarg | i was seeing problems with edit user as well | 22:48 |
| @Haarg | and it seemed like it could be related to the setting and not the users | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | well, this is where I'm at | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I added code to clear the setting if it's deleted from the LDAPLink screen | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, I'm seeing Edit User problems | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | before that, no problems with editing users | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | didn't try add | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it should be an error to delete the default LDAP link | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | because this is starting to snowball | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the Auth/LDAP code always assumes that you can get an LDAP connection | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | there's no validation | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | What do you think about that, Haarg? | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | i'd rather allow deleting the ldap link | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, then snow riding we go! | 22:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's an inch of snow in Portland | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and half the city is shutdown | 23:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I thought Portland was used to snow? | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | rain, yes | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but with snow and ice, people here just wig out | 23:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | an inch of snow in OK would be declared a state wide emergency :P | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, it rarely stays as snow | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | because the temp hovers around freezing | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | so we get lots and lots of ice | 23:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah, it isn't the snow that is bad, its the ice. | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought Oklahoma would get lots of snow, since it's in the midwest | 23:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: we usually get about 8 inches of snow a year. Which when divided amongst the 6 months snow will fall here, doesn't amount to much at all. | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | makes sense | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | we get snow maybe once per year | 23:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | without mountains to go along with it, snow is overrated. | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | lots of testing against recordResponses, perlmonkey2. Looking very solid | 00:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nice | 00:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, Haarg, do you want to see a patch pre- or post-commit? | 00:44 |
| @Haarg | i can look at it afterward | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. The only thing I'm a little worried about is that if there's enough user feedback and logging taking place when there's no valid LDAPlink. So please let me know. | 00:48 |
| Lisette | a workflow can down the spectre? | 00:51 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8984 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Gracefully handle the case where the user deletes the authentication LDAP link. | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | not usually lisette | 00:53 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8985 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Forward port graceful handling of the deletion of the Auth LDAPLink. | 01:19 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8986 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: WGBP the SQL Report definition sub. | 01:45 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8987 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: Forward port WGBP SQLReport definition sub. | 01:45 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8988 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add label entries to the SQL Report definitions so that they show up | 02:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: when creating a Shortcut in the overrides tab. | 02:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8989 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Forward porting definition changes to the SQL Report. definition property | 02:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: fields must have label keys to show up in the Shortcut overrides tab. | 02:11 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8990 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove "broken" images from Gallery Cross Publish/Make Shortcut template. | 02:40 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8991 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Forward port Gallery Shortcut graphics fix. | 03:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak, for your password recovery bug, do you know the type of password recovery that is used? Is it profile based, or email based? | 03:30 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8992 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 03:32 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix version related problem where if you try to add a child below a parent | 03:32 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: that is being edited, it returns session->privilege->locked. Changed | 03:32 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: editSave to consider whether or not the asset is new. | 03:32 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8993 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Forward port www_add/editSave fix for parents who are being edited. | 03:32 |
| dionak | it was username and email address | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, that's the 2nd one | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and you enter in the username and it tells you that it sent an email, but it really didn't | 03:37 |
| dionak | there was no email address in my profile but i was told an email was sent | 03:37 |
| dionak | yes | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet. I'll have it fixed in about 10 minutes | 03:37 |
| dionak | right on! thanks. | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | fixed | 03:45 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8994 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 03:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Provide feedback to the user when they try to recover their password via email address/username | 03:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: and they have no email address in their profile. | 03:54 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8995 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward port fix for no email address during username/email address password recovery. | 03:54 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r9000 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Thingy.pm: fixed #9296: Thingy View template not recognising field_isVisible | 15:22 |
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| +BartJol | anyone here running on late beta? | 15:41 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r9002 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added lastUpdated and version to Matrix compare screen | 16:26 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:34 |
| +BartJol | morning | 16:35 |
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| SDuensin | Hey BartJol | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | how's life? | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | Running behind. :-( | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | You? | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | slow, very slow | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | Trade you. :-D | 16:39 |
| +BartJol | the only usefull thing I did was fix a sql query | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | the rest is staring at my broken assetmanager and a couple of workflows that got stuck somehow | 16:41 |
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| +BartJol | SDuensin: do you have a 7.6.5 instance or higher? | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | Yep. Against my better judgement, I run 7.6.6 on everything. One of my customers needed it. | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | ah, did you have any problems with your assetmanager? | 16:45 |
| SDuensin | Not yet. | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | in mine, the assets aren't shown | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | which is a bit of defying the purpose | 16:45 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. That's bad. | 16:46 |
| SDuensin | Any idea why? | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | first I thought it was something with templating | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | but most element are shown | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | so the loop that runs through my assets must somehow be stuck, but that's yui | 16:47 |
| SDuensin | It is? | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | I thought so | 16:47 |
| SDuensin | Doesn't sound right. YUI is the pretty face and pointy-clicky stuff. | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | but my testEnvironment seems to give an OK | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | ah, so maybe only the surface part... | 16:48 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I mean, you can write "brains" in YUI, but it itself is just UI tools. | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | crunbtrail does work as does the package manager | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | so I'm afraid to upgrade another site | 16:49 |
| SDuensin | Guess I got lucky. | 16:49 |
| +BartJol | probably that fear is not justified | 16:49 |
| SDuensin | However, I *did* have to do my upgrade three times before I got it right. :-) | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | from what version to what version? | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | to is already clear | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | sorry | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | but without wre prolly? | 16:50 |
| SDuensin | 7.5.35 -> 7.5.24 -> 7.6.0 -> 7.6.2 -> 7.6.6 | 16:50 |
| SDuensin | All on WRE 0.8.5. | 16:51 |
| +BartJol | I'm on 7.6.3 now for that site | 16:51 |
| SDuensin | I kept screwing up the downgrade part. Turns out if you delete *everything* from the webguiVersion table, it gets really upset. :-) Oops! | 16:52 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 16:52 |
| +BartJol | well, that's ok | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | I have an initial install 7.5.8 | 16:53 |
| SDuensin | I basically told it to delete everything newer than 7.5.24 so the upgrade would run. Well, one of my sites was created *after* I installed that version. All of it's version data got wiped out and really confused the upgrade. Completely my fault, but took a bit to find. | 16:54 |
| SDuensin | I think on this server, I started on 7.3. | 16:54 |
| +BartJol | doesn't sound good, luckily we have backups | 16:54 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea! I lost 5 hours last night waiting on backups. Fun times. | 16:55 |
| +BartJol | well under the words: "de dood of de gladiolen" I performed the upgrade and no problems with the asset manager | 17:03 |
| * SDuensin cheers! | 17:03 | |
| +BartJol | so I just ****ed up my test instance somewhere | 17:04 |
| SDuensin | Well, at least you have a chance to figure it out then. That's better than it just being broken. | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | mmm haystack | 17:05 |
| +BartJol | needle | 17:05 |
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| AMH_bob | Hallo Diëgo, | 17:59 |
| AMH_bob | Ik heb vanmiddag een succesvolle export gedaan van verschillende folders op mijn eigen hosting acocunt. | 18:00 |
| AMH_bob | Ik moet dit nu combineren met de filescan die ik gemaakt heb voordat ik de appscan gemaakt had. | 18:01 |
| AMH_bob | Dit samen moet een generiek pakket opleveren waar klanten mee kunnen verhuizen. | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | tuurlijk | 18:05 |
| +BartJol | AMH_bob: volgens mij ging dit niet goed | 18:05 |
| AMH_bob | HHH, thaks dude, I got the wrong screen there... | 18:06 |
| AMH_bob | BTW: Hi everybody! | 18:07 |
| SDuensin | Hey AMH_bob | 18:10 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r9003 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Matrix.pm i18n/English/Asset_Matrix.pm): updating matrix help and international | 18:38 |
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| @tavisto | topsub | 20:29 |
| topsub | hi | 20:29 |
| @tavisto | yo brotha | 20:30 |
| topsub | sup | 20:30 |
| @tavisto | hey when you see Diona and William, let them know that I just saw the first rev of the Midwest Heart success story and it's nice. | 20:30 |
| @tavisto | In addition, it mentions Knowmad. We'll link to your company site as well in the success story when it goes live on the PB/success site | 20:30 |
| topsub | will do! awesome i am sure they will like that | 20:31 |
| @tavisto | just thought you guys would like to hear that. Yep | 20:31 |
| @tavisto | how is everything else going with ya | 20:31 |
| topsub | great! busy busy | 20:31 |
| @tavisto | cool, alright well I'll let ya get back to it. ttyl | 20:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yet another CMS: http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/38100 | 20:40 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9004 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: Fix broken template variable help. | 20:50 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9005 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: forward porting ITransact template variable help fix | 20:50 |
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| ecrotty | hey everyone | 20:59 |
| ecrotty | anyone alive that could help me potentially fix a template issue? | 20:59 |
| ecrotty | i think its going to be very easy | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | what is the problem? | 20:59 |
| ecrotty | but i dont know enough about the code base yet | 21:00 |
| ecrotty | excellent :) | 21:00 |
| ecrotty | im using the underground template | 21:00 |
| ecrotty | (btw - im the same guy from the other day that took the vm image and put it on esxi | 21:00 |
| ecrotty | it works | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | ecrotty, can you do three things for me? | 21:00 |
| ecrotty | yessir. | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) point me to the website with the problem | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) elaborate the problem | 21:00 |
| ecrotty | 1 - cant - its internal | 21:00 |
| ecrotty | 2 - sure. i am using the underground template | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | 3) paste the current template that you're using into webgui.pastebin.com so we can look at it | 21:01 |
| ecrotty | 3 - let me do that now | 21:01 |
| ecrotty | i pasted it as ecrotty | 21:02 |
| ecrotty | let me continue on 2 | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the URL? | 21:02 |
| ecrotty | so basically, when i go to the web page and log in as admin.. what i see rather than enable admin, is malformed output | 21:02 |
| ecrotty | sure | 21:02 |
| ecrotty | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d570c7ce9 | 21:02 |
| ecrotty | (sorry about that) | 21:02 |
| ecrotty | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6033cbc0 | 21:03 |
| ecrotty | thats the relevant output | 21:03 |
| ecrotty | so it looks like the template itself is not printing out the admin enable text properly (its just getting malformed due to maybe an extra > or XYZ in the template code base I think?) | 21:03 |
| ecrotty | (and I should be more specific. its not generating a proper href and instead just printing out partial text of the code that should (assumingly) be a link) | 21:04 |
| ecrotty | does that make sense? | 21:04 |
| ecrotty | i can also get you the html snippet that is produced on that page rather than just what is displayed by the browser | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | let me check the template first. I've never used underground before. | 21:06 |
| ecrotty | sure thign | 21:06 |
| ecrotty | thats probably the eaisest :) | 21:06 |
| ecrotty | luckily i had a bookmark to the admin section | 21:07 |
| ecrotty | that was my only way back in | 21:07 |
| ecrotty | (new) | 21:07 |
| ecrotty | ((user)) | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that template looks okay | 21:07 |
| ecrotty | ok | 21:07 |
| ecrotty | did i explain what happens well enough? | 21:07 |
| ecrotty | its just creating a malformed href somehow | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | have you tried installing the style package into a demo site? | 21:09 |
| ecrotty | no | 21:10 |
| ecrotty | not sure im getting what you are asking | 21:10 |
| ecrotty | you mean something other than what im considering the production site? | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | we often use demo sites to do a couple of things | 21:10 |
| ecrotty | even if i could, i cant put it out to the world to be seen if that is where you are going | 21:10 |
| ecrotty | this machine doesnt have outside connectivity unfortunately | 21:11 |
| ecrotty | sorry | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | It's okay | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd just like to have you try out the package on a "known good" install of WebGUI | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and a demo site will do that | 21:11 |
| ecrotty | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. | 21:11 |
| ecrotty | i see what youre saying | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | also, it will let me look at one live :) | 21:11 |
| ecrotty | well can i upload package to that demo site? | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | i dont think so, right? | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | sure! | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | oh. | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | ok. | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | yea.. i can do the heavy lifitng then | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | gimme a few mins? | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | ok | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | :) | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | thanks brb | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to start a windows VM install, but I'll be checking in every few minutes | 21:12 |
| ecrotty | ok | 21:13 |
| ecrotty | ill be done in a few | 21:13 |
| ecrotty | thanks | 21:13 |
| ecrotty | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1229454364_799/home | 21:16 |
| ecrotty | all set | 21:16 |
| ecrotty | youll see what i mean | 21:16 |
| ecrotty | ecrotty / password | 21:16 |
| ecrotty | ill brb too | 21:16 |
| ecrotty | ok back | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | please visit the site again, and log in | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I've turned on the debug mode so you can see what's up | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Debug mode is in the settings, under miscellanceous | 21:20 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9006 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.7/ (2 files): fix i18n problems in two templates. | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it shows you a ton of output, like database queries, errors, warnings, form parameters and so on | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the template that is being passed to the macro can't be found | 21:20 |
| ecrotty | ok cool | 21:21 |
| ecrotty | i see that | 21:21 |
| ecrotty | Can't call method "process" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminToggle.pm line 64. | 21:21 |
| ecrotty | unfortunately, it means nothing to me :) | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the line below that should | 21:21 |
| ecrotty | i just started using webgui and was just on the hunt for a nice look :) | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | The URL style-underground/templates/admintoggle-underground-admin-toggle was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | the AdminToggle macro takes a template URL as its 3rd parameter | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if you can find the right URL, you can update the macro call and be in business | 21:22 |
| ecrotty | yea | 21:22 |
| ecrotty | shrug :) | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | or, as a shortcut, just remove the URL and you can just use the default template | 21:23 |
| ecrotty | dunno if ill be able to find it.. im just looking at someone else's template | 21:23 |
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| ecrotty | i was literally just looking for a nice look and feel | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I would use the Asset Manager to find that template | 21:23 |
| ecrotty | if i can make it happen, i will but ill probably have to punt | 21:23 |
| ecrotty | oh | 21:23 |
| ecrotty | ok | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | search for admintoggle | 21:23 |
| ecrotty | sounds like its easier than im making it? | 21:23 |
| * ecrotty listens | 21:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI has a steep learning curve, but once you learn it, it is very powerful | 21:23 |
| * SDuensin concurs! | 21:23 | |
| SDuensin | Hi gang. | 21:23 |
| ecrotty | ok | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | so, to use the Asset Manager, Turn on Admin | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Go to Asset Manager | 21:24 |
| ecrotty | uh huh | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Select Search from the top right | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and then enter in the search terms | 21:24 |
| ecrotty | (teach a man to fish).. | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you may have to try a few until you find it | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | if the style designer was good, all customized templates will be in 1 folder | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you can also limit the search using the dropdown on the right | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | choose WebGUI::Asset::Template to limit the search to templates | 21:24 |
| ecrotty | ok | 21:25 |
| ecrotty | ok found it. | 21:25 |
| ecrotty | oh. | 21:26 |
| ecrotty | i get it. | 21:26 |
| ecrotty | make sure the url defined for that matches the one that is being called | 21:26 |
| ecrotty | ok | 21:26 |
| ecrotty | ding | 21:26 |
| ecrotty | one sec | 21:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | this ring a bell for anyone when trying to start modperl? http://pastebin.com/d366651a8 | 21:27 |
| ecrotty | very nice. | 21:28 |
| ecrotty | and thanks for teaching me how to fish | 21:28 |
| SDuensin | Not I, perlmonkey2 - sorry. | 21:28 |
| ecrotty | the only thing i didn catch was how to turn on debug mode | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | ecrotty: Is it working now? | 21:29 |
| * perlDreamer is installing Vista. I feel so dirty | 21:29 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Trying to actually use it will make you feel even worse. | 21:30 |
| ecrotty | perl : sure is. | 21:30 |
| ecrotty | perl : i cheated and did it on the internal site | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for that encouragement, perlmonkey2 | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | ecrotty: Whatever works :) | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | You can also find those messages in your webgui.log file | 21:30 |
| ecrotty | perld : and where was the debug mode | 21:30 |
| ecrotty | perld : ah. | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | In the settings | 21:30 |
| ecrotty | ok | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | which, unfortunately, you have to be in admin mode to make work... | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you're using the wre? | 21:31 |
| Bernd_ | Hey, what is the debug mode? | 21:31 |
| Bernd_ | Never heard of that before. | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: Debug mode is awesome. | 21:31 |
| Bernd_ | What is it? | 21:31 |
| Bernd_ | Where do I find it? | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in the settings | 21:31 |
| Bernd_ | And what does it do? | 21:32 |
| ecrotty | perld : yea ill find it | 21:32 |
| ecrotty | perld : ok off to play again, thanks for the help | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it gives you errors, warnings, form parameters, sql queries | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | tons of data | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | good luck, ecrotty! | 21:32 |
| Bernd_ | Cool! | 21:32 |
| Bernd_ | Going to try it soon. | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | sometimes easier/faster than the log file | 21:32 |
| Bernd_ | Learning every day! | 21:32 |
| Bernd_ | Thanks for the hint! | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | were you able to get the i18n server up and running? | 21:33 |
| Bernd_ | What would the world be without those nice people on the webgui chat :-) | 21:33 |
| Bernd_ | Have not tried yet. | 21:33 |
| Bernd_ | I was rather polishing some translation module yesterday. | 21:33 |
| Bernd_ | Such things take forever. | 21:33 |
| Bernd_ | Many of the modules are at 100%. | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent! | 21:33 |
| Bernd_ | But the language is poor. | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Even so, it may encourage others to help out, or to use WebGUI | 21:33 |
| Bernd_ | One thing that makes it even more complicated is | 21:34 |
| Bernd_ | that the English original sometimes is not consistent either. | 21:34 |
| Bernd_ | Are there best practices for documenting template variables? | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Most of the times, we're happy when devs remember to do it | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I did all of it for a while | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you find things that are wrong, please feel free to post them as bugs | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'll fix them | 21:35 |
| Bernd_ | Not really wrong. | 21:35 |
| Bernd_ | It is just the way things are documented differs. | 21:35 |
| Bernd_ | For instance, sometimes it says "Who can edit?" | 21:36 |
| Bernd_ | and sometimes "The group who can edit." | 21:36 |
| Bernd_ | Sometimes there is a dot in the end. | 21:36 |
| Bernd_ | Sometimes not. | 21:36 |
| Bernd_ | And such minor things. | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Missing punctuation is a bug. | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and the others, well, they're at least RFEs | 21:36 |
| Bernd_ | Uh, many bugs then in the language modules :-) | 21:37 |
| Bernd_ | But I am exaggerating. | 21:37 |
| Bernd_ | I am just neurotic. | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Many of those are my fault. My wife, when she edits my writing, always gets me for that one. | 21:37 |
| Bernd_ | The punctuation? | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 21:38 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe we should have the translation server add dots automatically :-) | 21:38 |
| Bernd_ | Better one too many than one too few! | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should train the document writers to use proper english :) | 21:39 |
| SDuensin | Proper English or proper American? :-P | 21:39 |
| Bernd_ | That sounds like striving for the impossible! | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Wot, wot, ruddy blighter. | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Who let that chap in here? | 21:39 |
| Bernd_ | I believe he sneaked in through the back door. | 21:39 |
| * SDuensin is American, but he knows how to speak. Mostly. | 21:39 | |
| Bernd_ | Someone must have let it open. | 21:39 |
| Bernd_ | Prove it! | 21:40 |
| SDuensin | I have all my required "dots". <-- See? | 21:40 |
| Bernd_ | But it did take you quite a while! | 21:40 |
| SDuensin | preaction hiding today? | 21:40 |
| Bernd_ | Because he is not commenting? | 21:40 |
| SDuensin | Because I need to pester him. (And starting a sentence with "because" is a bad idea.) | 21:41 |
| Bernd_ | I know. | 21:41 |
| Bernd_ | But wait, haven't you done it yourself? | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, I can pinch hit a few preaction class questions, unless they're business related. | 21:42 |
| Bernd_ | And "Since he is not commenting" somehow sounds strange. | 21:42 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Take a peek: http://webgui.pastebin.com/mf6f2ee7 | 21:42 |
| Bernd_ | That is a lot of error messages. | 21:43 |
| SDuensin | And, FYI, I don't know what line 11 is on about. I have Spreadsheet::Read installed. | 21:43 |
| Bernd_ | Big trouble! | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | ap_get_server means that someone is using bad API in a perl C module | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | but the other stuff is hard syntax errors that need to be fixed | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | find that module | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and to perl -I /data/WebGUI/lib -wc moduleName.pm | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | basically, looks like someone forgot to declare variable in a few places | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | very easy to fix | 21:44 |
| SDuensin | For now, I've just renamed them to disable them. But I think my upgrade went south. | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | as to Spreadsheet::Read, make sure you installed it in the correct place | 21:45 |
| SDuensin | preaction told me to upgrade that site (my copy of it) to 7.6.6. So I did. Database looks fine, but the config file didn't get updated and it doesn't behave correctly. | 21:45 |
| SDuensin | I installed it in the WRE after setting the environment. | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it's worth double checking, also for file permissions | 21:46 |
| SDuensin | I'll do that, but it should all be owned by me. | 21:46 |
| SDuensin | It's hard to test code when I don't trust the system it's running on. | 21:47 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r9007 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: undocumented spam prevention mechanism, real one to replace it in a future release | 21:52 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r9008 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: undocumented spam prevention measure until i can build the real one | 21:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | No one has a clue why modperl would be segfaulting? | 21:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just upon start up? | 21:57 |
| Bernd_ | Anyone time for a small chat? | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | I still have some beer left before I can go to bed. | 22:11 |
| SDuensin | BEEEEEEER! | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | Hey, it is just enough for myself!!! | 22:12 |
| Bernd_ | Wait until you are on leisure-time, too. | 22:12 |
| Bernd_ | I have had my share of working already :-) | 22:12 |
| SDuensin | Not sure I get any of that anymore. | 22:12 |
| Bernd_ | Leisure-time or beer? | 22:12 |
| SDuensin | Leisure time. | 22:12 |
| Bernd_ | Ah, I assume you are a self-employed webgui developer / consultant then? | 22:13 |
| SDuensin | That'd be me! | 22:13 |
| Bernd_ | Cool! That is a good but hard choice. | 22:13 |
| Bernd_ | Is perlDreamer still a member of that club, too? | 22:14 |
| Bernd_ | Hm, seems like he is taking a break. | 22:14 |
| SDuensin | Yea. My turn to do that now. | 22:16 |
| SDuensin | Back in a bit. | 22:16 |
| Bernd_ | Ok, enjoy! I am going to bed now. | 22:16 |
| Bernd_ | Good night everyone! | 22:16 |
| SDuensin | Night! | 22:16 |
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| @rizen | perldreamer: remember that list you asked for about 7.7 | 22:34 |
| @rizen | it has just been adjusted yet again. another must have for 7.7 is spam filtering rules on user postable content (forums, blogs, wikis, calendars, etc) | 22:35 |
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| SDuensin | Isn't that the point of the captcha? | 22:36 |
| @rizen | captcha is only one thing | 22:39 |
| @rizen | and captcha can be defeated | 22:39 |
| @rizen | and is being defeated on some of the more popular webgui sites that get lots of traffic | 22:39 |
| @rizen | someone has hired low cost overseas workers to post through the captcha | 22:40 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I know they're not perfect. The captcha is probably the *one* thing I don't like about WebGUI. Most humans can't even read what it produces. | 22:40 |
| @rizen | you're welcome to write a better captcha for webgui if you like | 22:41 |
| @rizen | the one i wrote is several years old now, but i wrote it according the the current wisdom of the day | 22:42 |
| SDuensin | After I catch up on my REAL work, perhaps. One of my employers isn't too happy with me right now. :-P | 22:42 |
| @rizen | he | 22:42 |
| @rizen | hehe | 22:42 |
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| * perlDreamer is lazy rizen. Why aren't we using replacement rules for that kind of thing? | 23:01 | |
| +perlDreamer | Or are they too specific? | 23:01 |
| @rizen | we will be | 23:01 |
| @rizen | that's only one part | 23:01 |
| @rizen | replacements are good for filtering content you want to keep on the site | 23:01 |
| @rizen | spam filtering is good for stuff you want to get rid of entirely | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I know you hate back seat driving, but having a 1-click "nuke this user" button would be handy. | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be in the List of Users | 23:04 |
| ecrotty | why not use recaptcha | 23:08 |
| ecrotty | thats what vb does these days | 23:08 |
| ecrotty | (hi again ive been busy tooling around int webgui_ | 23:08 |
| ecrotty | they just pass it off to those guys and let them handle the grunt | 23:08 |
| ecrotty | and recaptcha is pretty much the best choice out there too | 23:08 |
| ecrotty | they use words that OCR programs arent able to read | 23:08 |
| ecrotty | thats basically their trick | 23:08 |
| ecrotty | and its fre | 23:08 |
| ecrotty | people would jsut need a license like the weather module | 23:09 |
| ecrotty | (sorry if we're not on the subject anymore) | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | ecrotty, if they're hiring humans, then *captcha won't work | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | what we need is a morality detector | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | "Sorry, you are a bad man. You can't use WebGUI" | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Go spam someone else | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you were right, perlmonkey2. Using it _is_ worse then installing it. | 23:14 |
| SDuensin | Maybe an Amazon Mechanical Turk plug-in. :-) | 23:14 |
| SDuensin | ecrotty - "VB"? | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Visual Basic? | 23:16 |
| SDuensin | Visual Basic already scares people off. It doesn't need a captcha. | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Can anyone help me with a VirtualBox network setup? | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | It only needs to reach the host, no farther | 23:17 |
| SDuensin | Sorry. I use Fusion. :-/ | 23:18 |
| @Haarg | i haven't done anything special to get virtualbox working here, it just worked | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it autodetected my network card | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, wait a sec | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | my web server is only set up to response to localhost | 23:20 |
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| daviddelikat | whats a good place for a free skype account | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | aren't all skype accounts free? | 23:30 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. Computer-to-computer calls are free. | 23:32 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r9009 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: fixing PayDriver_ITransact help | 00:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r9010 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.t: fix Thingy test to account for new template options | 00:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r9011 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.7 release | 00:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r9012 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.7-beta: Release 7.6.7-beta | 00:11 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r9013 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.8 dev | 00:11 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I have a feeling that running the full test suite on a large website is not really feasible. Anyone have experience doing that? Can it be done in a reasonable time? | 01:15 |
| @rizen | it will take a long time | 01:18 |
| @rizen | >1 hour for sure | 01:18 |
| @rizen | also, you made a backup of the db, right? | 01:18 |
| @rizen | the test suite is destructive | 01:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll need to roll back and create that backup | 01:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll do that after the test runs | 01:22 |
| @Haarg | if any tests leave behind changes to the site that is a bug in the test, but especially due to tests crashing and such it's not something you want to depend on | 01:30 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r9016 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm): updated captcha | 01:34 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r9017 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js: Nuked console.log() so that js doesn't break in non-FFx browsers | 05:28 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone know when the next RFE day is scheduled? | 05:32 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey2: probaby not until 7.7 cycle | 05:37 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: okay, cool, that's what I figured. | 05:37 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9019 /WebGUI/t/Account.t: fix Account test to use whatever method is set by default | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: ping | 06:41 |
| @rizen | pong | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | $asset->getParent returns undef when the parent is checked out | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | so is it ever safe to use method chaining after it (getParent) ? | 06:42 |
| @preaction | why should it ever return false? | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it does right now, I believe in all cases | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and here's the case from the bug | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Create an asset and tell it to use a custom template | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Inside a version tag, create a folder and move the custom template into it. | 06:44 |
| @preaction | yeah, i think that was the case for auto-commit stuff getting submitted under an asset that hasn't been committed yet | 06:46 |
| @preaction | i think graham fixed that in the 7.6 series | 06:46 |
| @rizen | without looking deeply into the code i honestly couldn't reliably comment on this | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll back out the fix in 7.6 and see if it still has a problem. Maybe it's only 7.5 | 06:47 |
| @rizen | if you aren't able to resolve this yourself, assign it to me, and i'll look into it and fix the problem | 06:47 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9020 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Template.pm): Fix Form/Template manage icon, when the template's parent is not committed. | 06:48 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9021 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Template.pm): | 06:48 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Forward port fix for Form/Template manage button, when template's parent is | 06:48 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: checked out and not committed. | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, rizen | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | the beta server is down | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | is it being upgraded? | 06:58 |
| @preaction | you're getting the internal server error? | 06:59 |
| @preaction | that's a bug, i think | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose you can confirm another bug for me then? | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | in SVN head, the asset manager isn't working for me | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, it's firebug | 07:01 |
| @rizen | beta server is back up | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | does this thing cause more bugs than it helps to fix? | 07:01 |
| @preaction | firebug? sometimes | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it behaves the same way in 7.6 as it does in 7.5 | 07:06 |
| @preaction | my bad then | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you've got a good point, though | 07:07 |
| @preaction | maybe it's in one of graham's experimental branches | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | No, it's added to 7.6 | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe it's not added to the Folder? | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but I've talked to him about CS and Wiki. | 07:08 |
| @preaction | oh, i see. you've got a committed asset under an uncommitted asset but not in the normal auto-commit way | 07:08 |
| @preaction | hm... dunno then | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | right, with manual commit | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if lineage was versioned, then it would work right, since moving the asset would be versioned. | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's crazy | 07:09 |
| @preaction | eh, it's kinda crazy, but not all crazy | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | HomeMech, are you around tonight? | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: can I close this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9210? Or should I try and track down the patch for him? | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the IE6 ranking issue in the asset manager | 07:22 |
| @preaction | i would say "upgrade", it's in the 7.5 bugfix versions | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | will do | 07:23 |
| @preaction | i mean, if you want to give a patch you're welcome to. or they can just grab a WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm from a later version if they're really not wanting to upgrade | 07:31 |
| patspam | anyone know if HelpDesk to headed for the beta any time soon? | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | last I heard, it's not going into the core | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not i18n'ed or tested | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no docs | 07:33 |
| @preaction | the current version of the helpdesk is getting thrown away. we're writing a new one from scratch | 07:33 |
| @preaction | and maybe another one after that, until it's CORRECT | 07:34 |
| patspam | heh nice | 07:34 |
| @preaction | wish that we could do that more often ;) | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | are we fixing bugs in the current one? | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | or just superseding them with the new code? | 07:36 |
| @preaction | fixing bugs yes | 07:36 |
| @preaction | the new version may not come for a while | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | going to dash more of my hopes? | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Next you'll tell me we have to fix bugs related to IE | 07:36 |
| @preaction | oh, btw, we have to fix IE-related bugs | 07:41 |
| @preaction | and i'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday | 07:41 |
| @preaction | mmmyeah | 07:41 |
| @preaction | oh... annnnd i think i'll need you to come in on Sunday too | 07:42 |
| @preaction | grrreeaaat | 07:42 |
| * perlDreamer whips out a Sawz-All | 07:42 | |
| HomeMech | evenin all | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | HomeMech! | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I was hoping to chat with you | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried the account macro on a clean, 7.6 install and it works fine | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to figure out what's going on with your setup | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're using clean SVN, the problem is probably in your config file | 08:05 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9022 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the second stock data template. | 08:38 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9023 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.8/stockdatatmpl000000002.wgpkg: fix i18n problems in stock data template | 08:38 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9024 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.8/ (3 files): i18n manually made buttons in these gallery templates, too. | 08:38 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r9025 /experimental/Bazaar/docs/root_import_bazaar.wgpkg: Fixed a typo in the Bazaar template. | 12:31 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r9026 /experimental/Bazaar/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Corrected more typos. | 12:55 |
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| +BartJol | SDuensin: I fixed my problem, wrong order in Content handlers in my config | 14:36 |
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| SDuensin | BartJol - Cool. Glad to hear it! | 16:03 |
| SDuensin | (Greetings.) | 16:03 |
| +BartJol | morning to you Scott | 16:03 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r9027 /experimental/Bazaar/docs/root_import_bazaar.wgpkg: More typos... | 16:06 |
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| +BartJol | Het zit in de metadadat van t Default Account template zie ik | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | sorry | 16:29 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 16:32 |
| +BartJol | hee, but I do still talk WebGUI outside the channel! | 16:33 |
| SDuensin | Me too. :-) | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | you now where the default account layout is set? I don't see it in the settings | 16:34 |
| +BartJol | I'm really feelingh stupid now | 16:34 |
| @preaction | isn't there an Account tab? | 16:37 |
| @preaction | in the settings pane? | 16:37 |
| SDuensin | preaction ! | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | Feeling better dude? | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | you also have a tab account | 16:38 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: well enough to work, thanks | 16:39 |
| SDuensin | That's no fun! | 16:39 |
| @preaction | work is fun what are you talking about? | 16:40 |
| @preaction | if it's not fun why do we do it? | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | all work and no play makes bart a dull boy | 16:40 |
| SDuensin | Uh. My wife said so? :-) | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | in the authentication tab I can shoose a main account template, but Default Account Template doesn't show up there | 16:43 |
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| @preaction | BartJol: do you mean the Account Layout template? | 16:52 |
| @preaction | i'm not seeing a Default Account Template | 16:52 |
| +BartJol | via the asset manger go to root import | 16:55 |
| +BartJol | and then Account | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | in that folder there is the Default accoun template | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | I do specifically do not mean the Account Template | 16:57 |
| +BartJol | I see a setting profileLayoutTemplateId with the same assetId as value in the db | 17:01 |
| @preaction | BartJol: what's the title on that template? the asset manager shows the menu title | 17:03 |
| +BartJol | The same | 17:03 |
| @preaction | and the ID is "FJbUTvZ2nUTn65LpW6gjsA"? | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | no | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | it is N716tpSna0iIQTKxS4gTWA | 17:05 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9028 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Collaboration.pm Survey.pm): Corrected survey timeout issues. | 17:06 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9029 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: Rolled back Collaboration to 9027 | 17:06 |
| @preaction | okay, that should correspond to the template located on the Settings page, Account tab, "Profile" box, next to "Edit Layout Template" | 17:07 |
| +BartJol | I'll check, but somehow I can't seem to edit my settings right now | 17:10 |
| @preaction | hm... error log? | 17:11 |
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| +BartJol | well, I got in again, I manged to fix it | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | strange, because in the original template the css links weren't there | 17:13 |
| @preaction | that is the same behavior SDuensin reported to me yesterday | 17:14 |
| @preaction | that might be a bug | 17:14 |
| +BartJol | it's 7.6.7 | 17:14 |
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| SDuensin | Oh crap. Yea. All my 7.6.6 sites are doing it. :-/ | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | the editing of the settings that doesn't work? | 17:17 |
| +BartJol | with me it was after commiting a version tag | 17:17 |
| SDuensin | I can't get to the account screen on any of them. | 17:18 |
| SDuensin | I'll have to look at it later. :-/ | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | the account screen? | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | prolly your config is wrong | 17:18 |
| SDuensin | That's my guess. | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | be sure to add the content handler | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | before operation | 17:18 |
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| +BartJol | and the account stuff that is in the original config | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | I was wrestling with that today and yesterday | 17:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | could a nice PB person please move this from the bug board to the rfe board? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9327 | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and this one: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9250 | 17:42 |
| @bopbop | I'll take care of it perlDreamer | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, bopbop | 17:54 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, tavisto! | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up? | 18:21 |
| @tavisto | hey brotha! how are ya? | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | all is well out west | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | trying to get IE 7 installed so I can fix some JS bugs with that | 18:22 |
| @tavisto | excellent, keeping busy with the consulting dealio? | 18:22 |
| @tavisto | Well, I'm looking for a sanity check here. Awhile back there was a bug (or caching issue) in which someone attempting to checkout from a wG shop would be returned to the shopping cart screen. | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I read that bug | 18:23 |
| @tavisto | oh yeah okay I see what you're talking about | 18:24 |
| @tavisto | well, I guess this could be the same type of issue now that I think about it | 18:24 |
| @tavisto | I thought this was an issue a LONG while back w/ the cart. Where someone clicks on the payment type (say Credit Card) and then it takes them backwards to the shopping cart. | 18:25 |
| @tavisto | However, I haven't been able to find that darn bugger anyway so maybe it was just discussion in here. I thought it was back in the days of shop-bug slaughtering McPerlDreamer | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | have you tried the IRC logs on mentalhouse.net? | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | we went through so many of those shop bugs that very few of them stand out for me anymore | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: the real key to figuring out if this is a bug or a caching issue is to get the logs or, to turn on debug mode in the settings | 18:29 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. so if I have a customer who is trying to give a pile o' money to PB right now but cannot, then I should have her try again and then have Graham get me a copy of a particular log? | 18:31 |
| * perlDreamer likes it when people give PB piles of money | 18:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | if you know when she tried to check out, then all Haarg would need is the time/date | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no need to try again | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | although it would be more convenient | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | than digging through old log files | 18:32 |
| @tavisto | alright, she emailed me right after it failed | 18:32 |
| @tavisto | this morning | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that's gotta be frustrating for her | 18:33 |
| @tavisto | yep, it's amazing how frustrated people get when they can't successfully checkout. I get all those *happy* emails | 18:34 |
| @tavisto | the new green button has made things much more clear for checkout process.. Now we just need to figure out what the heck is going on w/ the checkout process and why peeps are randomly flying backwards | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, does this happen frequently? | 18:35 |
| @tavisto | I would say I probably see weirdness emails with checking out once or twice a month. Depends on how many new hosting or e-commerce purchase peeps I am helping | 18:36 |
| @tavisto | some months I see it more. For instance in that bug I posted, we couldn't get the checkout button screen after entering and selecting an address | 18:37 |
| @tavisto | but, I will go ahead and request to get the logs for the time when she was attempting to make her purchase. Then I'll submit a new bug and attach it | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | just go ahead and amend the existing bug. The more info in 1 place the more likely it will be found. | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | intermittent bugs are the worst | 18:41 |
| * perlDreamer takes a breakfast break | 18:44 | |
| +BartJol | it's almost dinner time | 18:48 |
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| @tavisto | only if you are a big dutchman | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | :) big dutchmen is going to drink beer, as the purpose of my life asks of me | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I have a clue! | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | are your customers buying multiple recurring items? | 19:18 |
| @tavisto | negative | 19:19 |
| @tavisto | multiple items though | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | d'oh | 19:20 |
| @tavisto | well this time around anyway | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of multiple items? | 19:20 |
| @tavisto | advertising | 19:20 |
| @tavisto | clicks | 19:20 |
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| elnino | hmm. I'm looking for wre binary for suse. am I missing it? | 19:50 |
| SDuensin | elnino - http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913 | 19:52 |
| SDuensin | SLES 9 and 10 are on there. | 19:52 |
| elnino | yep, that's where I'm looking. Oh. THat's what SLES is.. | 19:53 |
| elnino | what does SLES stand for? | 19:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: hahahahaa, all I can say is thank god I got you involved on this and you missed it also. Else I'd be so damned fired it wouldn't be funny. | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Suse Linux Enterprise Edition? | 19:53 |
| SDuensin | Yea. SUSE Linux Enterprise Server | 19:53 |
| elnino | ah. K. Thanks! | 19:53 |
| SDuensin | yw | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Also, Stupid Linux Extremely Sucks | 19:53 |
| elnino | Oh. I suppose 11 isn't support. | 19:53 |
| elnino | s/support/supported | 19:53 |
| @rizen | what are we talking about? | 19:54 |
| SDuensin | 10 may work. I run the Ubuntu 6.xx WRE on Ubuntu 8.xx. | 19:54 |
| SDuensin | rizen - WebGUI dude. It's all we ever talk about. :-) | 19:54 |
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| elnino | ok. I'll try 10 on 11. cross fingers... | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, curse you for your IE/WebGUI thoroughness :) | 19:57 |
| elnino | huh? | 19:57 |
| elnino | will wre .85 work with webgui 7.5.24? | 19:57 |
| SDuensin | yes | 19:57 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, are you referring to another bug? | 19:57 |
| * perlDreamer is grouchy because he had to install IE. Just whinging. | 19:57 | |
| elnino | ok. Thanks SDuensin | 19:58 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the showers for a break | 19:58 | |
| elnino | I'm sorry, I'm getting confused it's been a year... since I did a fresh install. .. Do I install wre first or webgui first? I'm getting the impression that wre has webgui in it. I need to install 7.5.24 but would like to use wre for maintainance and upgrades. | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | WRE fist. | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | First. | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | It will download WebGUI for you. | 20:00 |
| elnino | and I can tell it what version? | 20:02 |
| SDuensin | It'll get the latest Stable. If you want something else, you can do a manual install of WebGUI during the install of the WRE. | 20:03 |
| elnino | ok. | 20:04 |
| * SDuensin is gonna go hunt down some lunch. Back later. | 20:06 | |
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| samora | hello | 20:45 |
| @preaction | hello | 20:45 |
| samora | anyone done a temporary splash page? | 20:45 |
| @preaction | you can change your homepage to anything through the settings | 20:46 |
| samora | would all the nav be affected? | 20:46 |
| samora | all the existing nav seeking ^/; or the appropriate macro | 20:46 |
| @preaction | probably, i don't know how you set your site up | 20:47 |
| samora | preaction, so you are guessing, but actually haven't done one | 20:47 |
| samora | anyone done a temporary splash page? | 20:47 |
| @preaction | no, i have done one. i just set my site up appropriately so that it works | 20:48 |
| samora | well, my guess is that it would be an .htaccess thing. seek splash.html instead of index ? | 20:48 |
| @preaction | i'm not on your site. if you want me to give you a 100% correct solution, Plain Black Corp. offers login support | 20:48 |
| @preaction | wait. are you using WebGUI? | 20:48 |
| samora | yes | 20:49 |
| @preaction | webgui doesn't use htaccess | 20:49 |
| samora | hmm | 20:49 |
| @preaction | it also doesn't use DirectoryIndex | 20:49 |
| samora | hmm | 20:49 |
| samora | k. thanks | 20:49 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | what's the easiest way to reset a password if you only have db access? | 21:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | IEC authentiation | 21:29 |
| * SDuensin swears at 7.6.whatever-broke-things. | 21:32 | |
| SDuensin | The If macro is broken, the new admin configs don't get added, there's CSS missing. AAARRGH! | 21:33 |
| nuba | sounds like having a bad day | 21:34 |
| SDuensin | Incredibly. | 21:35 |
| nuba | thanks for sharing with us, SDuensin. were proud of you and of your standing in this support group | 21:35 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Just wait. I'm sure I can erode that. :-P | 21:36 |
| nuba | it should be called WAA - WebGUI Addict Anonymous ;) | 21:36 |
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| SDuensin | I wish I knew what was wrong. Seems like all my templates exist. | 21:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Here is a weird bug. I can log in. But whenever I click on a link I am logged out. I'm successfully logging in, but any link shows me as logged out. Any ideas? | 21:45 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: different domain in the links? | 21:51 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: bartjol had the same problem. that may be a bug | 21:51 |
| SDuensin | preaction - I think it is. T22:15 < SDuensin> Is there maybe *no* default CSS for the new account manager? There's a class called "topTabs" but I can't find it. | 21:52 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: which version are you having this issue on? | 22:41 |
| SDuensin | 7.6.6 | 22:41 |
| SDuensin | Going to 7.6.7 at the moment. | 22:41 |
| SDuensin | 7.6.7 didn't fix anything. | 22:43 |
| SDuensin | www.webgui.org loads two additional CSS files from /extras/ for that page. I added them, but it's not doing it. Going to flush my caches. | 22:46 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: now its really looking like a webgui bug | 22:47 |
| SDuensin | It's done the same thing to me several times now on multiple machines. | 22:48 |
| SDuensin | It's like an entire update was just missed. | 22:48 |
| SDuensin | Doesn't explain why my editing the template doesn't change things though. | 22:49 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI is going to be the death of me this week. | 22:49 |
| @preaction | do those CSS files even exist? | 22:53 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I can punch the URLs in to my site and they load. | 22:54 |
| @preaction | weird | 22:54 |
| SDuensin | In the "Default Account Layout" template, I added these Extra Head Elements: | 22:54 |
| SDuensin | <link rel="stylesheet" href="/extras/yui/build/tabview/assets/skins/sam/tabview.css" type="text/css"> | 22:54 |
| SDuensin | <link rel="stylesheet" href="/extras/account/account.css" type="text/css" /> | 22:54 |
| @preaction | oh. the Extra Head Block change | 22:54 |
| SDuensin | Yea. | 22:55 |
| @preaction | that might be it | 22:55 |
| SDuensin | Should styling CSS be in /extras/ anyway? | 22:55 |
| @preaction | depends, is it included by code using $session->style->setLink(...) or by a template? | 22:56 |
| SDuensin | I don't know why those new head entries don't show up though. :-( | 22:56 |
| SDuensin | Good question. | 22:56 |
| SDuensin | Code, it seems. | 22:56 |
| @preaction | hm | 22:56 |
| @preaction | let me take a look | 22:57 |
| SDuensin | Maybe not. Looking again. | 22:57 |
| * SDuensin needs to READ and *then* speak! | 22:57 | |
| @preaction | usually templates should include CSS snippets, but code should have CSS from the extras folder | 22:57 |
| SDuensin | Ok, those two files I pasted links to are *not* in the code. | 22:58 |
| SDuensin | BBIAF | 23:02 |
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| SDuensin | back | 23:34 |
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| @khenn | perlDreamer, are you around? | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, khenn | 00:35 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | yo, anyone know if there is an IE problem with submitting forms with a button tag? | 00:56 |
| @khenn | there appears to be | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | IE7 on vista | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't tried XP | 00:57 |
| @preaction | there is, yes | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the fix, preaction? and how did you know? | 00:57 |
| @preaction | IE6 doesn't do <button> tags properly. it uses the contents of the button as the value | 00:57 |
| @preaction | i know because i broke the asset manager, the gallery, and probably a couple other things by doing <button> tags | 00:57 |
| @preaction | they're awesome, if IE6 wasn't weetodded | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | IE7 has the same problem | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix the specific asset manager search issue, then do some ack work to get the rest | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | unless they're coded inside templates? | 00:59 |
| @preaction | afaik i should have got them all | 00:59 |
| @preaction | the search maybe | 00:59 |
| @preaction | maybe i missed | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | search still has a <button | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | AssetManager, Matrix2 and Operation::VersionTag | 01:00 |
| @preaction | fingurs | 01:01 |
| @preaction | er. i mean you can't prove nothin | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | svn blame reveals all... | 01:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | tmtowtdi on #perl for any interested | 01:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, err, probably not the real one... | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | boy, what any tom, dick, or tmtowdi will do nowadays | 01:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | is steveo_aa aka meatbop? | 01:17 |
| @preaction | nope. steveo_aa is Stephen Opal, the newest plain black developer | 01:18 |
| @preaction | he's been a contractor with us for quite some time, and he started today | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 01:18 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9030 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): In AssetManager, replace button tags with submit tags to make IE happy. | 01:21 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9031 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Forward port asset manager button fixes for search form. | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | bug-- | 01:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | all, thanks for your IE and HTML quirks mode help today. | 01:37 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9032 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm): | 02:48 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: DateTime didn't work well when it isn't passed any kind of date argument. | 02:48 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Use now as a default. Root cause was in Operation/VersionTag, where old | 02:48 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: version tags didn't have startTimes and endTimes. | 02:48 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9033 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm): Reverting 9032 and preparing to fix the time range selector in the manage version tag screen. | 03:13 |
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| daviddelikat | any body know where apache logs are on WebGUI? | 03:50 |
| @preaction | /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log and modproxy.error.log | 03:50 |
| @preaction | also webgui.log is in there too | 03:50 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 03:50 |
| daviddelikat | what about msql? | 03:52 |
| @rizen | in /data/wre/var/mysqldata | 03:52 |
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| @rizen | daviddelikat: you mean you've been working for the past week without knowing that? | 03:53 |
| @rizen | that had to have slowed your progress | 03:53 |
| @preaction | eh, if he had the webgui log i could see not needing the others much | 03:53 |
| @rizen | might i also recommend Admin Console > Settings > Miscellaneous > Show debug? | 03:53 |
| @rizen | = yes | 03:53 |
| daviddelikat | have not really had to look at many logs | 03:54 |
| daviddelikat | show debug is on, and not been very helpful... | 03:55 |
| @rizen | show debug >= webgui.log | 03:56 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r9034 /experimental/Automat/bin/automatshell: | 04:10 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: more secure shell | 04:10 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: fixed lots of bugs | 04:10 |
| patspam | my fav is to turn DEBUG on for webgui.log and then filter out everything except the module I'm working on with CallerMatch | 04:16 |
| patspam | combined with "xtail /data/wre/var/*" | 04:17 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9035 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 04:47 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix the date selector, so that if the version tag has no start and/or end dates | 04:47 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: that the form doesn't puke. | 04:47 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Replace button tags with submit buttons for IE. | 04:47 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9036 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward port button tag and version tag start and end date fixes. | 04:47 |
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| @preaction | Perl would be Voodoo - An incomprehensible series of arcane incantations that involve the blood of goats and permanently corrupt your soul. Often used when your boss requires you to do an urgent task at 21:00 on friday night. | 05:08 |
| @preaction | http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html | 05:08 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r9037 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (60 files in 25 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 06:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Squashed commit of the following: | 06:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: commit f17f13504f3d6412e98d526e1a4db048da6bd554 | 06:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Author: Patrick Donelan <pat@patspam.com> | 06:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Date: Thu Dec 18 15:02:04 2008 +1100 | 06:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Updated PrevNext macro documentation | 06:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: commit 5037ae0ca3ed889e94b4355d489722a307218ab5 | 06:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r9038 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm: Fixed documentation bug in PrevNext macro | 06:41 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9039 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.8/ (5 files): more template i18n | 08:02 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9040 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 2 dirs): template i18n, along with new labels | 08:48 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r9041 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): updating matrix help and international | 13:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r9042 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: implemented Survey final page detection (#9199) | 14:39 |
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| Lisette | I like to process the values of form fields delivered by another site other than WebGUI when I make a payment through this, I think that is a paydriver and I need to process this information, as it should do so knowing that I have to be processed from a url outside a post that makes me? | 16:38 |
| @steveo_aa | My macros are not being utilized. I have entries for them in my conf file. Instead I get lines like ^AdminBar in my web page stream. | 16:38 |
| @steveo_aa | webgui log says "Unable to process macro 'AssetProxy' due to a fatal error in Config/JSON.pm | 16:40 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | howdy howdy SDuensin | 17:54 |
| SDuensin | You're all in far too good a mood in the morning. :-P | 17:55 |
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| Lisette | I like to process the values of form fields delivered by another site other than WebGUI when I make a payment through this, I think that is a paydriver and I need to process this information, as it should do so knowing that I have to be processed from a url outside a post that makes me? | 17:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo, tavisto | 18:19 |
| @tavisto | howdy | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't try to purchase any clicks yesterday | 18:19 |
| @tavisto | well then I shall no longer call you friend | 18:20 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the whole $3K price tag that has me worried | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | especially for a Shop debug | 18:21 |
| @tavisto | hehe yeah that's why I suggested buying (3) 1 click products | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I _will_ try that later today, after I go get beat up by a Hungarian | 18:22 |
| @tavisto | interesting day you have planned there. | 18:24 |
| @tavisto | I guess a "good luck" would be appropriate | 18:24 |
| Lisette | i can use a cgi into a paydriver? | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: He's my personal trainer at the gym. | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | The good news is that I'm learning how to count to 40 in Hungarian | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | The bad news is that I'm doing it while doing push-ups, sit-ups, squats,.... :) | 18:27 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 18:27 |
| SDuensin | Not a fair trade if you ask me. | 18:28 |
| Lisette | how to do to get the id of a thing of a thingy by code? | 18:31 |
| @tavisto | hehe nice perlDreamer | 18:32 |
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| pt | hello - I am new to WebGUI and have a quick question: What's the best place to start? (I downloaded & installed WRE on ubuntu and I am reading WebGUI Primer) | 19:33 |
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| SDuensin | pt - You're in a good place to start. :-) | 19:35 |
| SDuensin | Get it running and play with it. | 19:35 |
| pt | thanks | 19:37 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone have a clue on this? | 19:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Installing MySQL system tables... | 19:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 081218 12:39:27 [Warning] option 'max_join_size': unsigned value 18446744073709551615 adjusted to 4294967295 | 19:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 081218 12:39:27 [Warning] option 'max_join_size': unsigned value 18446744073709551615 adjusted to 4294967295 | 19:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ERROR: 1049 Unknown database 'mysql' | 19:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 081218 12:39:27 [ERROR] Aborting | 19:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | from a wre configuration? | 19:40 |
| @preaction | pt: if you have any questions about getting started, feel free to ask us | 19:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Couldn't connect to MySQL because DBI connect('test;host=localhost;port=3306','root',...) failed: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm line 93 at ./wreconsole.pl line 1230 | 19:41 |
| SDuensin | I get the warning. Dunno about that database. That sounds bad. | 19:41 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: are you running the new WRE's setup | 19:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: yes | 19:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just like I have 500 times before on this server. | 19:41 |
| SDuensin | Funny thing is, if you look in the conf, it *is* set to 4294967295. | 19:41 |
| SDuensin | Run out of space somewhere? | 19:41 |
| SDuensin | WebGUI always clobbers my /tmp if I'm not careful. | 19:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | says the wreconsole isn't using a password. | 19:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | when the html form most certainly is left at default | 19:42 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking you need to nuke your /data/wre directory (be sure to back things up if necessary) and try again | 19:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: I do that every time | 19:42 |
| @preaction | and every time this happens? | 19:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and I've tried this maybe 30 ways, checking network settings, killing everything. | 19:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 19:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | every time | 19:42 |
| @preaction | are you running wreconsole as root? | 19:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 19:42 |
| @preaction | is anything showing up before those things in the wreconsole terminal? | 19:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Couldn't connect to MySQL to configure it. | 19:43 |
| @preaction | so mysql can't start for some reason | 19:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no, it is started | 19:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the error is that root can't connect without a passowrd | 19:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and I'm left with mysqld running | 19:44 |
| @preaction | the wreconsole should be doing a mysqladmin command to set the root password | 19:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but this is a wre tarball i've been using without issue for weeks | 19:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yesterday no problems | 19:45 |
| @preaction | when you nuked the WRE did you make sure to stop all the processes? | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | today, nothing | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | killall mysqld;killallhttpd; | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | not that httpd matters | 19:45 |
| @preaction | you're on OS X? not sure killall works on OS X | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | centos | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 5.2 | 19:45 |
| @preaction | perhaps use mysqladmin to set a root password, then have the setup use that same password? | 19:47 |
| SDuensin | OSX has killall | 19:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | when I start the wreconsole it says to contact it at the hostname and not localhost. | 19:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but the db connect string is for localhost | 19:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | is that a clue? | 19:47 |
| SDuensin | Dunno. That works on my Mac. | 19:48 |
| SDuensin | It always tells me the machine name, but I use localhost anyway. | 19:48 |
| @preaction | no, the console tries to figure out the real hostname for the box, in case you're not on the same system | 19:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm using the wreconsole through port forwarding the 60834 port. But that has been working for weeks. | 19:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | restarting didn't help.....love it. | 19:52 |
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| carogray | hi all | 19:59 |
| carogray | does anyone know where in the calendar List View Template you can make it so the list isn't limited... | 20:01 |
| @preaction | limited how? | 20:01 |
| carogray | I can turn off the pagination, but it still cuts off the list at I guess a certain date | 20:01 |
| carogray | that is we have an event in April but the list only shows up to Feb - you have to go to the next page to see the April event | 20:02 |
| carogray | many people will not see or click on "next page" | 20:02 |
| @preaction | carogray: check out List View Page Interval on the Display tab of the Calendar Edit screen | 20:03 |
| @preaction | you can make that as large as you want, default is 3 months | 20:03 |
| carogray | ok great! thanks. | 20:04 |
| carogray | so simple! I can't believe it. Thanks preaction! | 20:05 |
| carogray | can you explain the iCalendar Feed Interval while I have your attention? is that how much to feed into another calendar or how much the list will accept from another calendar? | 20:06 |
| @preaction | how much the ical feed will display | 20:07 |
| @preaction | just like the list interval | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray: are the tooltips for those fields in the calendar helpful? Or could we change them to make them more useful. | 20:13 |
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| carogray | sorry - got distracted - cannot seem to apply the list template to the calendar that is accepting feeds.. | 20:18 |
| carogray | perlDreamer... sorry period of time displayed in iCalendar feed...doesn't indicate if it's coming in to this calendar or going from this calendar. I would think that ifyou want your calendar to show a year's worth of events you also want to include a years worth of feeds coming in, and that it would make sense to assume that the ICalendar Feed Interval is then feeding another calendar from this calendar, but I have realized that what | 20:21 |
| carogray | is there any reason I cannot change the list view on another calendar? | 20:22 |
| carogray | oops - sorry! I got it...had to think a litle bit more!.. | 20:23 |
| carogray | thanks for replying to all me questions...so quickly... | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, I'll look into the tooltip/hover help and see if we can't make it clearer | 20:24 |
| carogray | Sandra was on here the other day asking about putting up a Flash page | 20:24 |
| carogray | she got no joy. | 20:24 |
| @preaction | she was rather rude | 20:24 |
| carogray | is there a simple way to put up asorry splash page | 20:24 |
| carogray | English is not her first language | 20:25 |
| carogray | and she comes across that way often | 20:25 |
| @preaction | the best way is to just change the site's home page in the settings | 20:25 |
| @preaction | this should work, unless you are using direct links to "/oldhome" as links to the home page | 20:25 |
| @preaction | if you're using "/" as a link to the home page, that will take you to the splash page | 20:26 |
| @preaction | but as i told her, it's possible that things may not work 100% | 20:26 |
| carogray | what about the time out and..? | 20:27 |
| carogray | so where we link to the home page i.e. our banner, then we should "hard link?" it to index or whatever our home page is called? | 20:28 |
| @preaction | if you want it to always be that exact page, yes | 20:30 |
| @preaction | if you want it to be "whatever home page is set in settings", then just "/" or "^/;" | 20:30 |
| carogray | ok so in the settings we make the home page be "Splash", | 20:35 |
| carogray | then everywhere we have a link to the "real" home page we put in ^/home; | 20:35 |
| carogray | ? | 20:36 |
| carogray | this way people only get to the splash page when they type in www.mlri.org | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds right | 20:36 |
| carogray | everywhere else they can just go to our normal home page when they want to go home. | 20:36 |
| carogray | is there a reason why we would do ^/(home); rather than ^/home; | 20:37 |
| carogray | ? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a gateway url set to something other than "/" ? | 20:37 |
| carogray | uh, what's a gateway url? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | in your config file, you can set up a url that is prepended automatically to all URLs made by and used by WebGUI | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if you don't know what it is, you probably don't have to worry about it | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | although, ^/(home); is good form | 20:38 |
| carogray | oh this is the automatic www.xxxx.org etc. that we don't have to put in in front of the ^/ | 20:39 |
| carogray | I get it. | 20:39 |
| carogray | I always try to use "good form" ;) | 20:39 |
| carogray | ok - final question .. | 20:40 |
| carogray | what about the time out so that after a certain number of sec. the splash page sends us to the home page? | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you'd have to use javascript for that. | 20:41 |
| carogray | ok... thanks so much... I will try to get this sorted... | 20:41 |
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| @preaction | what are the correct unix permissions for /tmp? | 20:50 |
| @preaction | isn't there some chmod bit that says "only the owner can read what is created here"? | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | drwxrwxrwt | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's +t? | 20:52 |
| @preaction | t! | 20:52 |
| @preaction | thanks | 20:52 |
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| @preaction | information to share: if during WRE setup, mysql says it can't install the system tables, check the permissions on /tmp | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a good wiki entry ;) | 20:55 |
| @preaction | it won't say any errors about permissions, or anything at all in fact... | 20:55 |
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| @preaction | i'm going to post a bug to mysql about it | 20:55 |
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| @rizen | preaction, could you file a bug on that | 21:16 |
| @preaction | k | 21:17 |
| @rizen | i'll build a test into wreconsole.pl for it | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry, but the bug board is closed for the holidays. No new bugs can be posted until January 2. | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | urgent bugs need to reported to JT over the phone at: 608.257.2383 | 21:20 |
| @rizen | that's just mean | 21:21 |
| @rizen | you're really going to piss off Myle | 21:21 |
| @rizen | s | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, anyone who tries to call JT on the phone at Teddywedgers needs to go and buy lunch to make up for it. | 21:23 |
| @rizen | that's better | 21:25 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:25 |
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| SDuensin | Teddywedgers? | 21:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, a must go to in Madison, Wisconsin | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | The finish pasties on this side of the pond | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, finest pasties | 21:29 |
| SDuensin | The first thing I thought of was NOT food. Is that wrong? | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | You are a sick, sick man SDuensin | 21:31 |
| SDuensin | Thanks! | 21:32 |
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| diakopter | perlDreamer: did you mean pastries? | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no, pasties | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | as in "cornish" | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yummy | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | off-diet | 00:23 |
| diakopter | looks like a Calzone to me | 00:24 |
| @rizen | it is sort of like a calzone, except heavier | 00:25 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: I've got another fix ready, do you want me to post a patch to the buglist again? | 00:25 |
| @rizen | instead of having a thin bread exterior | 00:25 |
| @rizen | it's almost like they take a loaf of bread, and wrap some goodies inside | 00:25 |
| @rizen | and then bake it | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, sure! | 00:25 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: there are two files this time so I made the patch from /data/WebGUI so that it would get both of them as they are in different directories. | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | which bug is it for? | 00:27 |
| daviddelikat | 9217 | 00:28 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 00:29 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: : was having trouble with an extra form /edit box coming up but a small edit to the second file made it go away. | 00:29 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: it up there http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9217 | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll probably apply the patch later tonight | 00:32 |
| @rizen | daviddelikat: Haarg is setting you up with svn commit access | 00:33 |
| @rizen | daviddelikat: still feel free to run your patches past someone else | 00:34 |
| @rizen | daviddelikat: but this should make your job a little faster/easier | 00:34 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r9043 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files): Added Yung's package for RFE #9199 | 00:45 |
| @tavisto | oh boy.... people are talking about pasties..... mmmmmmm yum | 00:45 |
| @tavisto | I remember when Rizen and I thought we could eat an entire one... wow was I wrong | 00:46 |
| @rizen | i have eaten an entire one in a sitting...but it's not something you can do on a normal day | 00:50 |
| @rizen | only on a super hero day | 00:50 |
| @tavisto | kindof like | 00:51 |
| @tavisto | when you and I ate at Famous Daves | 00:52 |
| @tavisto | that was by far one of the most challenging meals I've ever had | 00:52 |
| @rizen | heh | 00:52 |
| @rizen | actually since then we've found a new one | 00:52 |
| @tavisto | Rizen did you get my fax? | 00:52 |
| @tavisto | oh yeah? | 00:52 |
| @rizen | it's nearly impossible to eat a serving of Mac and Cheese at the Great Dane | 00:52 |
| @rizen | i've done it once. and tried about 10 times. | 00:52 |
| @rizen | vrby has tried half a dozen times | 00:53 |
| @rizen | frank i think tried once | 00:53 |
| @tavisto | doesn't Preaction do that? I thought he was the big mac and cheese guy there | 00:53 |
| @tavisto | oh man.. that sounds SO good right now. | 00:53 |
| @rizen | he probably has too | 00:53 |
| @preaction | i've only tried once, ate half of it | 00:53 |
| @rizen | it's deceptive | 00:54 |
| daviddelikat | I have to get a snack... | 00:54 |
| @rizen | cuz it doesn't look like that much | 00:54 |
| @rizen | but it's so damn filling | 00:54 |
| @tavisto | yeah I dont remember it being that crazy | 00:54 |
| @tavisto | what do you think is more difficult.... the pastie or the mac and cheese? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | after 200 push-ups, I could eat either one | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but then, I'd have to do another 200 pushups | 00:56 |
| @rizen | that's a rough call | 00:57 |
| @rizen | but i'd have to say the mac and cheese | 00:57 |
| @tavisto | I dont think you could do 200 pushups in 48 hours perlDreamer | 00:57 |
| @rizen | this ain't your mama's mac and cheese | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I can do 200 pushups in an hour, easy | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and I've had some of the Dane's Mac and Cheese | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | i ate about a quarter of kathy's, after eating the pulled pork sandwich | 00:58 |
| @tavisto | because think about it... you aren't just lifting yourself... you've got a hungarian trainer and of course Rizen on your back telling you to stop sucking | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | oy, the trainer is 285 that's a lot of weight | 01:07 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r9044 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: better pod | 01:38 |
| carogray | perldreamer and preaction: just to say thanks for your help earlier today on the flash page. | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, carogray | 02:32 |
| carogray | It works and it looks great - thanks to Sandra and to both of you! www.mlri.org | 02:32 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r9046 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.37-stable: Release 7.5.37-stable | 03:33 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r9047 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.38 dev | 03:33 |
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| * SDuensin really doesn't like extras/account/account.css - Gotta make a new one for every site to customize the theme! Boo! | 04:02 | |
| @preaction | you can lay your own on top of that one | 04:08 |
| @preaction | put another <link> underneath and override the styles you want | 04:08 |
| SDuensin | I know, but you still have to go through and edit each piece of the account thing. Guess it's not too bad. | 04:09 |
| SDuensin | Just not used to having stuff like that outside the asset manager. I'm spoiled. | 04:09 |
| @rizen | i wonder why it is outside the asset manager | 04:16 |
| SDuensin | My question, too. | 04:17 |
| @rizen | not that it matters, you still shouldn't be editing that file | 04:17 |
| @rizen | but you can copy and edit it | 04:17 |
| SDuensin | Right. I don't edit original stuff. | 04:17 |
| @rizen | file a bug | 04:17 |
| @rizen | also, stop sucking | 04:18 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 04:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I'm buying clicks for cmsinfo, correct? | 04:33 |
| @tavisto | that is correct | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you can't buy 1 click on cmsinfo | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | only BI and Compare hangouts | 04:35 |
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| @tavisto | one sec... ill bet it's the damn quantity issue from awhile back | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | you're out of clicks, aren't you? | 04:36 |
| @tavisto | well you know.. I'm such a good salesperson it's hard to keep them in stock | 04:36 |
| @tavisto | riiight. | 04:36 |
| @tavisto | ok i changed it | 04:39 |
| @tavisto | buying 1 click at a time is $5 | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | premium cost! | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | do I add a new address, or use an existing one? | 04:39 |
| @tavisto | so you're looking at a temporary hold of $15 until vrby refunds your moeny | 04:40 |
| @tavisto | money | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | moeny moeny | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | like a pony | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds so phony | 04:40 |
| @tavisto | she was using an existing cuz she's a regular advertising customer | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | moeny moeny | 04:40 |
| @tavisto | you owe Tony! | 04:40 |
| @tavisto | if you dont pay..... | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it worked! | 04:40 |
| @tavisto | he's gonna break yo bony! | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, it failed | 04:40 |
| @tavisto | you can reproduce it??? | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you do know those are the lyrics from Billy Idol, yes? | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I can reproduce the bug | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | yes and that's why | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | i said the rest | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | someone look in the log file, quick | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | uh | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | RIZEN!!!! | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | heeeeeellllllp | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 04:41 |
| @rizen | i don't help whiny bitches | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | oh cmon we're trying to get to the bottom of this commerce bug | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | How about the husbands of cute ex-web chicks? | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | it's preventing us from getting 3k in ad rev! | 04:41 |
| @tavisto | plllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase | 04:42 |
| @rizen | what's the problem? | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | buy 3 advertising things, check out with credit card | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | get bounced back to the product screen | 04:42 |
| @tavisto | yes, what he said. | 04:42 |
| @tavisto | but the good news is we found we can reproduce it.. so now pD wants to see the logs | 04:43 |
| @rizen | how would i do that? | 04:43 |
| @rizen | oh | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | log log log log | 04:43 |
| @rizen | well then why doesn't pd log in and look at the logs | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | badger badget badger | 04:43 |
| @tavisto | yeah pD.. why not! | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | pd can log into pb.com? | 04:43 |
| @rizen | noooooooooo! | 04:43 |
| @tavisto | haha | 04:43 |
| @rizen | indeed | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | mushroom mushroom | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Ahhhh! It's a Koen | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Koen | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Ohhh... he's... | 04:44 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 04:44 |
| @tavisto | dude.. stop playing with Rizen's mushroom.. icky | 04:44 |
| +perlDreamer | need something that rhymes with koen | 04:44 |
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| @rizen | boom | 04:44 |
| @tavisto | what is the meaning of this! This is an outrage! | 04:44 |
| +perlDreamer | is someone working on the bazaar? | 04:47 |
| @rizen | mrhairgrease is supposedly adding features to it | 04:47 |
| @rizen | but that's in svn | 04:47 |
| @rizen | not on webgui.org | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll fix that later. Your log files are full of calls to Sku::BazaarItem::isIn | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that's an easy fix | 04:48 |
| @tavisto | okay, so are you going to create a separate bug report for this? | 04:48 |
| @tavisto | originally you were thinking we would append this but I dont think they are the same | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just going to concentrate on the Shop bug | 04:49 |
| @tavisto | well then I'll add it | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I have the bug | 04:58 |
| @tavisto | yeah I hear ya.. but dont we need a bug report so you can update it and close it out' | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 04:59 |
| @tavisto | ok then | 04:59 |
| @tavisto | nm | 04:59 |
| @tavisto | oh wait just saw your msg | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the shop bug is my fault | 05:00 |
| @tavisto | well that's too bad... I really like you perlDreamer. | 05:01 |
| @tavisto | Okay, JT.. kill him | 05:01 |
| @tavisto | I'm off to a couple miles on the treadmill. ttyl | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, going to take a break and then fix this bug. | 05:03 |
| @rizen | have a good weekend everybody | 05:31 |
| @rizen | i'm ot | 05:31 |
| @rizen | out | 05:31 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9048 /experimental/Bazaar/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/BazaarItem.pm: | 08:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix the purge method, which used isIn from Utility, but didn't | 08:09 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: import it. | 08:09 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer | 17:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, tavisto | 17:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ye are debugged, in the commerce sense | 17:22 |
| @tavisto | hey man, our customer was able to purchase the 3k in ads | 17:22 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 17:23 |
| @tavisto | thank you for looking at that dealio | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | my commission is 3% | 17:23 |
| @tavisto | yep no prob... sending the check.... right..... now. | 17:23 |
| @tavisto | so, I saw you closed another ecommerce bugger | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | another? No, it's the same one. | 17:24 |
| +BartJol | what bugs? | 17:24 |
| @tavisto | did you get to the bottom of that stinker as well or did you close that because of what you found last night | 17:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's what I found last night | 17:24 |
| @tavisto | are you sure? That's the same problem? | 17:24 |
| @tavisto | oh okay.. I didn't know they were the same. | 17:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll go and review the bug. I thought they were the same | 17:24 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, hold on to your hat. There are bugs in WebGUI. | 17:24 |
| @tavisto | buying 3 products and you cant get to the billing info screen | 17:24 |
| @tavisto | the one you closed was different though | 17:25 |
| @tavisto | that one a gal was trying to get to the view cart screen with the "checkout" button but kept returning to the view cart screen with the "choose address and checkout" button. Thus an endless loop | 17:25 |
| +BartJol | I was told that were features | 17:25 |
| @tavisto | she would put in her address, click "use this address" and then it would take her back to the previous view cart screen with the "choose address and checkout button". There, I think I said that a bit more clearly | 17:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yep, you're right. they are different. I'll reopen it. | 17:27 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9049 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 17:28 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where the ITransact credentials template was not defined for plugins. | 17:28 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: This prevented any credit card transactions from taking place. | 17:28 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9050 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Backporting ITransact Credentials template fix. | 17:28 |
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| daviddelikat | what is the standard log message for a commit? | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | usually it's the bug title, from the board | 18:02 |
| daviddelikat | k | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | feel free to expand on what you did if it requires more details | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | also, does the bugfix introduce potential problems for the user, or modify a default template? | 18:02 |
| daviddelikat | are you asking or do you want that included in the log? | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | if either of those were to occur, you'd also need a note in the gotchas file | 18:03 |
| daviddelikat | is that a neighbor to the changelog? | 18:04 |
| daviddelikat | i see it | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | up one level, in docs | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | those are fairly rare occurances, but they do happen | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I just had one happen that way | 18:04 |
| daviddelikat | there was a 'gotcha' but i fixed it.... | 18:05 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9051 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 18:22 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: Survey 2.0 - "Cancel" button not working as expected (#9217) | 18:22 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: added call to 'loadSurvey' after 'cancel' | 18:22 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: also added code in 'loadSurvey' to allow for a refresh without | 18:22 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: displaying an edit window. | 18:22 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you around? | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here | 18:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Your last comment seems like there was a document uploaded that is no longer vieawable: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9286 | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | never available | 18:37 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: okay, thanks. | 18:38 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: if you have a sec could you explain to me your last comments on that bug? | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh, you weren't referrring to the bgu | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | need more coffee | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | right after I get off the phone | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | coffee? it's beertime | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | timezones really should be eliminated | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | well, have a nice weekend | 18:48 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | He wasn't kidding | 18:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What about upgrade.pl checking a particular file for non-standard modules/changes? Create a file, that if not empty, causes the upgrade to require the customizationOverride flag, implying the upgrade scripts have been altered accordingly. This file would be where backports and customziations are recorded. | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, perlmonkey2, I'm back | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | the user said in the bug that he pasted a template | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but it didn't show up | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I asked him to upload it as an attachment | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but he didn't | 18:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right right | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm tempted to close his bug | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | since little else seems to get his attention | 18:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | He's alright, just a really busy person. | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and that _is_ the default way of handling non-responsive users | 18:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | in the old bug system, you asked a question then closed the bug | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if he responded back, it reopened the bug | 18:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, that is still the policy in support. Not sure about bugs. | 18:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I should probably know that? | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can ping him directly, it would help greatly | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | (if he wants his bug fixed) | 18:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm working on it now. Probably not really a bug so much as a "SC Asset doesn't cover that". | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | probably. Or, maybe the newer one in 7.6 does | 19:01 |
| daviddelikat | so how does one go about getting a change ot a default template? | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | couple of ways | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) use the UI | 19:02 |
| daviddelikat | put into the mainstream | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | set the template to be a package | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | export the package | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | add it to docs/upgrades/packages-my.version.number | 19:03 |
| daviddelikat | like a perl package? | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's a tarball of JSON and other metadata for the Asset | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | the upgrade system works on packages, so that's how to get it into that path | 19:04 |
| daviddelikat | I | 19:09 |
| daviddelikat | ok, I made it a package, but I can't find it. | 19:15 |
| daviddelikat | I even searched asset manager for the name | 19:15 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: where would the package be? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | at the bottom of the asset manager there will be a list of packages | 19:32 |
| * perlDreamer goes afk | 19:35 | |
| daviddelikat | I just posted a package to fix bug 9046 http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9046 | 19:51 |
| daviddelikat | I don't really know how to proceed with this though... | 19:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | welcome, template hackers | 21:07 |
| @tabb | Why hello there! :) | 21:07 |
| rogier | Hi | 21:08 |
| Bernd_ | Oh, is that the big template discussion meeting happening now? | 21:08 |
| rogier | Big? No. | 21:09 |
| rogier | Lot's of people are busy with end of the year deadlines i guess | 21:09 |
| Bernd_ | So the small template discussion meeting then. | 21:09 |
| rogier | Yeah | 21:09 |
| @tabb | Yeah it's a crazy time for all of us I think. | 21:09 |
| Bernd_ | I find it quite relaxing. | 21:10 |
| rogier | Well I just finished a deadline today, so its quiet now | 21:10 |
| @tabb | Oh that's good! | 21:10 |
| rogier | Lots of time for the templates :) | 21:10 |
| Bernd_ | Good for all of us! | 21:11 |
| Bernd_ | I am glad you have taken the lead. | 21:11 |
| mego | sounded like many uk had a holiday party? | 21:11 |
| rogier | Yeah, but i was very busy all week so I decided not to join them and turn in early | 21:11 |
| mego | just for us! =) | 21:12 |
| rogier | Oh yeah, thats what i menat | 21:12 |
| rogier | meant | 21:12 |
| @tabb | So anything in particular you want to chat with Mego and I about? | 21:13 |
| mego | Tabb and I won't get a start on our CS list until after the holidays but it is on our adgenda | 21:13 |
| mego | agenda... | 21:13 |
| rogier | Thats fine, most of the other are busy now as well | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I know I'm not a direct template hacker, but if y'all find templates that need i18n I'd love to know about it. | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I've already gone through 90 of them in 7.6 by hand | 21:14 |
| rogier | i know and appreciate that | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but with 200 more to cover, the more eyes the better | 21:15 |
| mego | wow! | 21:15 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r9052 /translations/German/German/Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm: Update from translation server | 21:15 |
| Bernd_ | Sorry to interrupt, but I have a question concerning the HelpDesk. | 21:15 |
| Bernd_ | Can you guys open a ticket by clicking on it? | 21:16 |
| Bernd_ | In my case, I always end up with an empty pane. | 21:16 |
| Bernd_ | Is that a known bug? | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | which browser? | 21:16 |
| Bernd_ | FF 3 | 21:16 |
| @tabb | Works for me Bernd | 21:16 |
| @tabb | in ff3 | 21:16 |
| mego | i haven't experienced it in ff3 either | 21:16 |
| Bernd_ | Hm. Even when looking at "My Tickets"? | 21:17 |
| @tabb | Hmm back to tickets doesn't work though | 21:17 |
| mego | a YUI issue? | 21:17 |
| Bernd_ | What else can I do to track this down? | 21:17 |
| @tabb | Yeah works from | 21:17 |
| @tabb | "My Tickets" as well | 21:17 |
| Bernd_ | Just tried from "Open Tickets" and does not work either. | 21:18 |
| Bernd_ | Strange thing. | 21:18 |
| Bernd_ | But if I choose re-open in new tab it works as supposed. | 21:18 |
| Bernd_ | What could that be? | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: which ff3? | 21:19 |
| Bernd_ | 3.0.5 | 21:19 |
| Bernd_ | Canonical edited version for ubuntu. | 21:19 |
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| Bernd_ | Shall I submit a bug report? | 21:20 |
| Bernd_ | Including a screenshot? | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, although we'll need an Ubuntu dev to fix it | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | since it's working fine for other people | 21:20 |
| Bernd_ | Think it is ubuntu-specific? | 21:20 |
| Bernd_ | Or has something todo with my security settings? | 21:20 |
| @tabb | I think it might be specific because I've been tweaking my security settings and so long as javascript remains enabled, everything seems to work. | 21:21 |
| Bernd_ | Ok. Going to submit the bug report. | 21:22 |
| Bernd_ | I found an error message in the console. | 21:24 |
| Bernd_ | It says: Warning: Expected declaration but found '*'. Skipped to next declaration. Source File: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs, Line: 1 | 21:25 |
| Bernd_ | So it seems to be an error in the JS. | 21:25 |
| @tabb | Huh got my error console open and nothing pops up for me. | 21:28 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, anyone know what's up with this? 7.5 branch head run wgd reset and that fails on the paydriver | 21:35 |
| Bernd_ | tabb, I have submitted the bug report. | 21:36 |
| @tabb | Okay! sounds good. :) | 21:36 |
| Bernd_ | Let's see if folks from plain black can make something out of it. | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, my bad | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | please do a svn up and all will be well | 21:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: no cookie for you1 | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll return my chocolates | 21:38 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | so, today is 60 degrees, perfectly calm wind, and just a few fluffy clouds in the sky. Not many of those in any year, let alone winter. So of course it wouldn't fall on a weekend. | 21:39 |
| @tabb | ....it's blizzarding here. | 21:40 |
| @tabb | :( | 21:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | tabb: heh, I'd move | 21:40 |
| SDuensin | Hey all. What happens if I import a package with asset IDs that are duplicates of what are already in the system? | 21:40 |
| @tabb | Yeah. Definitely need to do that. | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, I believe they overwrite | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | addRevision, to be precise | 21:40 |
| * SDuensin is trying to find a fast way to fix the account templates on all his sites. | 21:40 | |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - That's perfect. | 21:41 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r9053 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.37-7.5.38.pl: Add missing use line to the upgrade script. | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Download the templateFiler from Bazaar | 21:41 |
| SDuensin | The what? | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a perl script for handling templates | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you can extract them all | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | delete all but the ones you want to work on | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | hack them | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | then upload them all at once | 21:41 |
| SDuensin | Oooo - sounds handy! | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | all from the command line | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it will even make packages for the templates that you upload, for easy revision handling | 21:42 |
| * SDuensin can't wait for DAV. | 21:44 | |
| Bernd_ | Sorry for disturbing, but I have another problem. | 21:47 |
| Bernd_ | In fact, this has happened quite often to me: | 21:47 |
| Bernd_ | After having installed an updated language pack, | 21:47 |
| Bernd_ | the new translations do not appear. | 21:47 |
| Bernd_ | I have restarted mod_perl several times by now, | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | did you restart the web server? | 21:47 |
| Bernd_ | emptied the webgui cache, | 21:47 |
| Bernd_ | emptied the browser cache, | 21:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | No tests for Syndicated Content in 7.5? | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | are you getting bit by the extra directory problem? | 21:48 |
| Bernd_ | logged in and logged out. | 21:48 |
| Bernd_ | nope! | 21:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nevermind, duh | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | i18n/German/*.pm ? | 21:48 |
| Bernd_ | yes! | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | edit the files and see the new translations? | 21:48 |
| Bernd_ | yes! | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Das ist umglaublich | 21:49 |
| Bernd_ | I know. | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that's my favorite german phrase | 21:49 |
| rogier | ...uNglaublich? | 21:49 |
| Bernd_ | In that case you should know it is "unglaublich". | 21:49 |
| rogier | yeah :) | 21:49 |
| Bernd_ | Sorry, for correcting you. | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | apparently my German is as bad as my Spanish | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I accept corrections for perl, javascript, spanish, german and all other languages I speak | 21:50 |
| Bernd_ | Haven't heard you speak spanish yet. | 21:50 |
| Bernd_ | That's good. | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_, let's run a small experiment. | 21:50 |
| Bernd_ | Still, it is very "unglaublich". | 21:50 |
| rogier | as long as your perl is better tahn your german... | 21:50 |
| Bernd_ | I am ready... | 21:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I can't find anything wrong with just backporting the 7.6 SC to 7.5. The tests work, the templates work, everything just seems to work. | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | head into the translated german files | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | cd i18n/German | 21:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, the 7.6 test works on 7.5 | 21:51 |
| Bernd_ | yes... | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | edit the WebGUI.pm file | 21:51 |
| Bernd_ | yes... | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Go to the bottom of the file, above the line that is 1; | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and stick this in there: | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | the getContentLastModified sub will need to be changed perlmonkey2 | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | aaaa => 1/0; | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | it uses a property that doesn't exist in 7.5 | 21:52 |
| @tabb | Hey Bernd that error you were getting is showing up in my console now, but it appears to just be something in the css? | 21:52 |
| Bernd_ | Trying to produce a division by zero? | 21:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yeah, I keep looking for that. It must not be a SC method. Because no permutation of that sub that I regex for is showing up | 21:52 |
| Bernd_ | Done. | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | restart the server and try to access your home page | 21:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I remember you saying to do that, but I can't finnd that method in SC | 21:53 |
| Bernd_ | mod_perl and mod_proxy? | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | both, please | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: is it inherited? | 21:54 |
| Bernd_ | Which order? | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_ do you use the wre? | 21:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, from Asset.pm :P | 21:54 |
| Bernd_ | Yes! | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | perl wreservice.pl --restart web | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | will do the right thing | 21:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: so I just need to overload it? | 21:54 |
| Bernd_ | perlDreamer, | 21:55 |
| Bernd_ | nothing has happened. | 21:55 |
| Bernd_ | The site appears as always. | 21:56 |
| Bernd_ | The file must be cached somewhere. | 21:56 |
| Bernd_ | Shall I restart the whole server? | 21:56 |
| Bernd_ | Reboot is what I mean. | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: are you logged in as a user who uses the german language? | 21:57 |
| Bernd_ | Of course! | 21:57 |
| Bernd_ | Everything else is German. | 21:58 |
| Bernd_ | What should have happened? | 21:58 |
| Bernd_ | I mean after introducing the line you suggested? | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it should die | 21:58 |
| Bernd_ | Hm. | 21:59 |
| Bernd_ | Reboot the server and see that happens? | 21:59 |
| Bernd_ | what | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | perl won't calculate 1/0 | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the WebGUI.pm file won't load | 21:59 |
| Bernd_ | So the file is not being reloaded. | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | which is what I expected | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | now the question is, why? | 22:00 |
| Bernd_ | Is it possible that not all instances of mod_perl are killed? | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | try a perl wreservice.pl --stop web | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and then ps to find the apaches httpds mod*'s | 22:00 |
| Bernd_ | perlDreamer, this is the output I get from "ps -ef": http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7bb8c171 | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | looks good to me | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no httpd's running around | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | now, try to restart it | 22:03 |
| Bernd_ | Spectre is still runing and using the same perl as the apache. | 22:03 |
| Bernd_ | could that be the problem? | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a separate process, not shared | 22:04 |
| Bernd_ | Servers are back again: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d706a7a0f | 22:05 |
| Bernd_ | Still the site does not die. | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | well, then I think it is safe to assume that the file you edited is not being loaded | 22:05 |
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| Bernd_ | But where is it cached? | 22:06 |
| Lisette | how to instance a thingy? | 22:06 |
| Bernd_ | perlDreamer, I have a second perl installation on that site required by webmin. | 22:08 |
| Bernd_ | Could that be the problem? | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | this would be specific to the WebGUI source code | 22:08 |
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| Bernd_ | Any ideas? | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm tapped out | 22:09 |
| Lisette | what is the package of thingy? | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | the only time I've seen problems with translations are with the following | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | tapped out? | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | = clueless? | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | empty, depleted, out of ideas | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | Ah. | 22:09 |
| Bernd_ | Bug report and leave it to rizen? :-P | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | translation problem #1: bad perl code in the translation file. file won't load, causes a server error | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | #2: files are in the wrong place | 22:10 |
| Bernd_ | It is none of these. | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | you are absolutely, 100% positive that there isn't a subdirectory in i18n/German holding files? | 22:13 |
| Lisette | WebGUI::Asset::Thingy??? | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Thingy | 22:13 |
| Lisette | thanks | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | ls -lR Asset | grep Thingy | 22:14 |
| Bernd_ | perlDreamer, I just checked again. I am 100% certain. | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: I'll think on this some. | 22:15 |
| Bernd_ | Thanks. I am going to think about it, too. | 22:16 |
| Bernd_ | In particular, since I have no other choice :-( | 22:16 |
| Bernd_ | perlDreamer, one more thing: | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, a clue! | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | I still do have the old language directory renamed as German.old | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | and the old definition file renamed as German.pm.old | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | Could that be the problem? | 22:17 |
| Bernd_ | I am going to move them to /tmp and retry. | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | just rename them differently | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | old.German | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and old.German.pm | 22:18 |
| Bernd_ | Resolved! | 22:20 |
| Bernd_ | Updated translation is appearing now. | 22:20 |
| Bernd_ | Wow, that is a cool bug! | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Please file that one for future reference | 22:20 |
| Bernd_ | Going to do so immediately! | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | there must be some name cleansing code that causes them to clash | 22:20 |
| Bernd_ | Thanks a lot for your help. | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, although you figured it out yourself | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | But you were the one to guide me to the solution! | 22:21 |
| Bernd_ | You are my guru! | 22:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | just out of curiousity, umglaublich doesn't mean anything bad, does it? | 22:22 |
| juan | can i change the design or or captcha color | 22:22 |
| Bernd_ | No, it just does not exist. | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | juan, in 7.5, look inside WebGUI::Storage::Image | 22:22 |
| Bernd_ | But you can tell it is supposed to mean "unglaublich". | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | in 7.6, look inside WebGUI::Storage | 22:23 |
| juan | and in that path i can change some parameters | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | everything is hardcoded | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | no configuration | 22:25 |
| juan | ok | 22:25 |
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| Bernd_ | perlDreamer, do you have any wishes for Xmas? | 22:30 |
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| * SDuensin wishes Santa would make all his WebGUI config files match. | 22:41 | |
| Bernd_ | SDuensin, write him a letter! | 22:42 |
| SDuensin | I'm afraid I'm going to have to write him a Perl script. | 22:42 |
| Bernd_ | That is more likely to happen :-) | 22:43 |
| Bernd_ | Merry Christmas! | 22:43 |
| SDuensin | A huge amount of the config file is the same for every site. I want all that to be consistent between all my sites. | 22:44 |
| Bernd_ | Sounds like you need a template processor. | 22:44 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe you can add some marks. | 22:44 |
| SDuensin | Yea, that's kinda the plan. Put the rest in a database. | 22:46 |
| Bernd_ | Good luck with it! | 22:47 |
| SDuensin | Yea, well, it's not going to happen until I catch up on my current projects. | 22:47 |
| SDuensin | Everybody wants everything last week. :-) | 22:47 |
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| Lisette | with getThings of Thingy i have all things of this thingy? | 23:03 |
| Lisette | or with this method i obtain all fields of a thing? | 23:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | Config::JSON now supports an include statement, iirc | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | is it this week yet? crap! | 23:29 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r9054 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Photo.pm Asset_Gallery.pm): Update from translation server | 00:49 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I always hate how this week creeps up on you. It's like its always this week. | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 00:52 |
| @preaction | does anyone else, when upgrading to 7.6.2 (as per the gotchas.txt), have a problem with the 7.5.24-7.6.0 upgrade not fixing the config file format? | 01:03 |
| @preaction | it doesn't import WebGUI::Utility qw(isIn) | 01:04 |
| @preaction | how would we fix this? | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | um, import it? | 01:05 |
| * perlDreamer ducks for being mouthy to preaction | 01:05 | |
| @preaction | but the 7.6.2 package needs to have it | 01:08 |
| @preaction | since the gotchas say "upgrade to 7.6.2 | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I guess I don't understand the problem. The script calls isIn, but doesn't do a use WebGUI::Utility qw/isIn/; Doesn't adding that line fix the problem? | 01:11 |
| @preaction | yes, i'm not sure what the procedure is for fixing a packaged release | 01:11 |
| @preaction | the fix must go into 7.6.2 release package, or somehow the upgrade procedure needs detailing somewhere | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds like we have to rerelease 7.6.2 | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | or provide patches | 01:13 |
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| @preaction | http://www.emn.fr/x-info/coccinelle/#sp <- how hard to you think something like this would be to implement in Perl? | 09:37 |
| @preaction | with this, we could have almost foolproof API changes, run this semantic patch and your custom code will work! | 09:38 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r9055 /WebGUI/t/Session/Setting.t: got it before perlDreamer did! | 18:38 |
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| @preaction | would it be possible to improve an asset's ability to do polymorphism? | 20:12 |
| @preaction | say, to instanciate a class "WebGUI::Asset::Post::Preaction" (a subclass of Post) from an asset with a className of "WebGUI::Asset::Post"? | 20:12 |
| @preaction | it may make it easier to add functionality to existing asset classes without having to do a lot of jiggery-pokery | 20:14 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings all. | 21:30 |
| +BartJol | hi | 22:01 |
| SDuensin | Hey BartJol | 22:01 |
| +BartJol | good afternoon | 22:02 |
| SDuensin | How's things? | 22:02 |
| +BartJol | ok, mostly busy with my new house | 22:03 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea! Congrats! | 22:04 |
| * SDuensin is mostly busy with WebGUI. And lunch. | 22:04 | |
| +BartJol | tnx | 22:04 |
| +BartJol | bon appetit | 22:04 |
| SDuensin | You'd not say that if you knew what I had. :-D | 22:05 |
| * SDuensin nuked White Castles! | 22:05 | |
| +BartJol | oh, is it that bad? what're you having? | 22:06 |
| SDuensin | It could be the "poster boy" for American Food. | 22:06 |
| SDuensin | http://www.whitecastle.com/_pages/menu.asp | 22:07 |
| +BartJol | could be better | 22:08 |
| SDuensin | They're YUMMY. | 22:08 |
| +BartJol | never been in a white castle joint | 22:09 |
| +BartJol | wendy's, burger king, mac donalds yes | 22:09 |
| SDuensin | They're about as cheap a burger as you can possibly find. They make McDonald's look good. :-) | 22:09 |
| +BartJol | but the mac isn't that good in my opinion | 22:10 |
| SDuensin | Exactly my point. | 22:10 |
| +BartJol | ah :) | 22:10 |
| +BartJol | mmm, maybe I should shave, but I have to hone my razor | 22:11 |
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| deafferret | So my new Asset install seems to have worked, and I restarted Apache, but my new Asset isn't listed in the admin interface... Perhaps I pointed 'install' at the wrong .conf file? How can I tell which .conf file is active on this running server?... (<---- total newb) | 23:25 |
| deafferret | fresh _NewWobject.skeleton, just name tweaked globally | 23:25 |
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| @preaction | deafferret: is there another asset in the "assets" area under your config file | 00:00 |
| @preaction | it's possible that the skeleton wasn't updated when the format of the assets in the config file was | 00:00 |
| deafferret | preaction: yes, it's listed in the .conf under assets: | 00:02 |
| deafferret | many are listed there | 00:03 |
| deafferret | the one I'm doing is the only custom one listed | 00:03 |
| @preaction | deafferret: the config that is running is <sitename>.conf, its the one listed in your apache config | 00:04 |
| @preaction | if you're using the WRE, it's /data/wre/etc/<sitename>.modperl | 00:04 |
| @preaction | deafferret: another thing to check are the error logs. if the asset can't be loaded, there will be no entry in the admin bar | 00:05 |
| @preaction | also check that the "assetName" key in the description is defined | 00:05 |
| deafferret | /data/wre/etc/biodev.ist.unomaha.edu.modproxy has ServerName and what-not listed as the conf I was changing.... .modperl mentions port 8081, which I'm not using. I'll check your other suggestions. thanks. | 00:06 |
| deafferret | (I didn't set this up. -grin0) | 00:06 |
| @preaction | deafferret: it's the modperl one, i assure you. | 00:09 |
| @preaction | deafferret: the modproxy one should not NOT have a webgui conf file | 00:10 |
| @preaction | it should NOT have PerlSetVar webguiConf <filename> | 00:10 |
| deafferret | ya, I figured. I don't know if whoever set this up had any Apache clues... | 00:10 |
| deafferret | .modperl only has <VirtualHost *:8081> but I'm hitting this on 443. | 00:10 |
| deafferret | which is over in .modproxy | 00:11 |
| deafferret | .modperl contains PerlSetVar WebguiConfig biodev.ist.unomaha.edu.conf | 00:12 |
| deafferret | but it's only *:8081... | 00:12 |
| @preaction | deafferret: and notice that modproxy uses RewriteRule to proxy to :8081 | 00:12 |
| @preaction | also, please don't assume that because you don't yet understand that the people who set it up were morons | 00:12 |
| deafferret | preaction: I'm the moron, I assure you. Whether or not they are is unknown. :) | 00:13 |
| deafferret | You're correct about RewriteRule | 00:13 |
| @preaction | they're using the WRE. in other words: the Plain Black way of running webgui | 00:13 |
| @preaction | long story short: modproxy instance serves static content faster than the modperl instance can | 00:14 |
| @preaction | there are other benefits, but that's the major one | 00:14 |
| deafferret | -ponder- now /data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --restart web is FAIL, with no useful info on screen or over in /data/domains/biodev.ist.unomaha.edu/logs/access.log (the only .log in that dir) | 00:19 |
| @preaction | /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log and /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log <- the logs are in that directory | 00:21 |
| @preaction | did you have a copy of the Administrator's Guide? or the Developer's Guide? these could help you in getting started | 00:21 |
| deafferret | ah, excellent. thanks | 00:21 |
| SDuensin | A lot of times I get a FAIL when it really didn't... | 00:22 |
| deafferret | ya, I definately need a dozen more hours with the docs | 00:22 |
| SDuensin | Give it a: wreservice.pl --status web | 00:22 |
| * SDuensin needs more books, too. Dead tree knowledge is good. | 00:22 | |
| deafferret | :) /data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --restart web no longer does anything. It just sits there giving me the evil eye | 00:30 |
| @preaction | check the error logs then? | 00:30 |
| deafferret | nothing entering logs | 00:31 |
| SDuensin | Depending on what you restart, it could take awhile. Took about seven minutes for me yesterday - seems it had a lot of workflows to run! | 00:31 |
| deafferret | oh? This system is idle. No workflows or even users. :) | 00:31 |
| deafferret | root stick time? smite! smite! | 00:32 |
| deafferret | ahh, much better. And now I know Config::JSON hates my sloppy trailing commas :) | 00:34 |
| deafferret | preaction++ # there's my failed to compile error :) | 00:37 |
| deafferret | hmm... no compile time complaints about my class now, but still don't see it in the Asset list in admin mode | 01:00 |
| deafferret | oh... there it is | 01:02 |
| deafferret | doh! modperl.error.log [Sun Dec 21 17:58:34 2008] (12573) Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=87620/100000 KB | 02:01 |
| @preaction | what about it? | 02:01 |
| deafferret | just talking to myself | 02:01 |
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| AMH_bob | Hi Guys, | 11:50 |
| AMH_bob | Does anybody have the dates for the WUC 2009? | 11:50 |
| +BartJol | not yet | 11:59 |
| +BartJol | and I don't see it in the caldar | 12:01 |
| AMH_bob | Hmmm, I have already planned my vacation and would hate to tell my wife that we have to re-plan it... | 12:12 |
| +BartJol | well ask the PB guys this afternoon, maybe you can influence the date they set :) | 12:13 |
| AMH_bob | :D | 12:14 |
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| +BartJol | hey for some sites we use databasecache and we get an error that cachekey should be NULL | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | but I don't see fields that are empty, only less full than others | 16:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: have you tried clearing the cache, and what is happening when you get this error? | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | ok emptied cache, but it shows no amount of cache, not even "0" | 16:52 |
| +BartJol | well an execute fails because it apperas to be null | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | the executed is requested in lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | line 184 | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | that's everything I got right now | 16:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: no error message in the logs? | 16:57 |
| +BartJol | well in modperl error log there is the error that execute failed | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | no site reference | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | webgui.log is empty | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | and is not always empty | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | I thought about switching to FileCache, but I think that it should just work | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: do you know whether there was a point where default setting was changed from database to file caching? | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | and there are all kind of workflows stuck, mostly Update Calendar feeds activities. The show their all complete but are not removed from the list | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | it's horrible :) | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | Koen just answered me about the setting, he changed it | 17:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: did that fix your issue? | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | oh | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | no it caused it | 17:35 |
| +BartJol | :) | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | default config ays filecache | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | he changed it to db cache a while ago | 17:36 |
| +BartJol | since that, the workflow seems to stack up and these errors arise, of course it doesn't have to be related, but it is suspicious | 17:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: nothing in the error logs at all? that is indeed strange. | 17:44 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | I would expect something in webgui.log | 17:50 |
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| danny_mk | Good day | 18:10 |
| danny_mk | preaction - you around? | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: I posted on the board, maybe that gives more info | 18:11 |
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| +BartJol | oh and by the way, thanks for the chocolates PB, they were good! | 18:12 |
| @rizen | you're welcome | 18:15 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... I can't seem to find the OpenId module under the bazaar | 18:22 |
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| danny_mk | I have been waiting for an upgrade to the Net::OpenId::Consumer module for a long time but it seems that Brad Fitzpatrick has stopped supporting it | 18:23 |
| danny_mk | I have started development on a rpxnow.com openId auth module instead. Anyone interested in testing it? | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | testing? sounds like a job for perlDreamer :) | 18:30 |
| danny_mk | Nah! anyone with a yahoo, google, openid account can test it. | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | oh, that excludes me at the moment | 18:31 |
| danny_mk | Well, by testing I meant visit the website and see if it lets you in | 18:32 |
| +BartJol | but I don't have an openid account, sorry | 18:38 |
| danny_mk | no problem | 18:39 |
| danny_mk | Do you use any of these services/providers: https://rpxnow.com/ | 18:40 |
| @preaction | danny_mk: from what I saw, http://search.cpan.org/~mart/Net-OpenID-Consumer/ <- supports 2.0 | 18:40 |
| danny_mk | when? | 18:40 |
| danny_mk | let me check | 18:40 |
| @preaction | for a while it seems | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | ah, I have a facebook account | 18:40 |
| @preaction | well, looks like since 12 Oct 08 | 18:41 |
| danny_mk | if you have a facebook account you should be able to test the website at http://openid.dbash.com | 18:41 |
| danny_mk | That would be great if it does, been waiting a long time. | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | so I should be able to login with my facebook account? | 18:43 |
| danny_mk | yes | 18:43 |
| danny_mk | it should automatically register you based on your facebook authentication | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | nope, I got an error | 18:45 |
| danny_mk | what was the error? | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | it was: Error: | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | not much information | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | or do I have to create a new account? that wasn't the purpose, was it? | 18:47 |
| danny_mk | NO | 18:47 |
| +BartJol | ok, then I understood correctly | 18:47 |
| danny_mk | OK, you went to openid.dbash.com and clicked on the link "If you would like to try it out sign in here! Sign In" right? | 18:48 |
| +BartJol | no, I used the login box | 18:48 |
| danny_mk | NO, don't use the login box | 18:48 |
| danny_mk | use that link | 18:48 |
| +BartJol | sorry | 18:48 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... maybe I should get rid of that login box :-) | 18:48 |
| +BartJol | I can't slect facebook, is that openId? | 18:49 |
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| danny_mk | yes | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | danny_mk: which third party do I have to choose fro facebook, I see AOL, yahoo, google and openId | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:51 |
| danny_mk | I have to read a little about facebook, hold on | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | it's not an option, flickr and some other sites are ad when I fill in facebook it is not recognised | 18:53 |
| danny_mk | right, hold on, reading about it now | 18:54 |
| * BartJol is listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P9V3IkI3zo | 18:55 | |
| +BartJol | boring song | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | danny_mk: prolly I'll be back in some time, but it seems I have to go now, something with that food is good for me | 19:06 |
| danny_mk | Ah, I see why. I actually need a facebook and myspace account | 19:06 |
| danny_mk | sure, you can always test later | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | ok, I will be available later or tomorrow | 19:07 |
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| SDuensin | Morningish. | 19:48 |
| deafferret | for extremely early values of 11:47am | 19:49 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Didn't sleep at all last night. And when I did, it was bizarre dreams of people trying to kill me at the Olympics. Go figure. | 19:50 |
| deafferret | you've been to the olympics? which? | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | No, I haven't! And they were being held in a big hotel! | 19:51 |
| deafferret | that's a big hotel :) | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | I recognize parts of the dream from stuff I've been reading/watching/doing, but no idea where the Olympics come in. Or who was trying to kill me for being there. | 19:52 |
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| @preaction | do I really need to stop at 7.6.2 before upgrading to 7.6.4? | 20:09 |
| SDuensin | That's what the docs said, fred. | 20:09 |
| @preaction | 7.6.2's upgrade script has a bug though | 20:10 |
| SDuensin | Is that the culprit? KILL IT NOW! | 20:11 |
| SDuensin | Removing the head stuff from templates has caused me a lot of trouble. | 20:12 |
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| @Haarg | 7.6.7 improved handling of that to some extent | 20:13 |
| @Haarg | if you set a value using the old field name it gets put in the new one correctly | 20:14 |
| SDuensin | Glad to hear it. | 20:14 |
| @Haarg | that was mainly important for importing old packages. didn't want to break all old temlate packages. | 20:15 |
| SDuensin | Well, it breaks the new account plugin templates. None of them have any CSS links in them. | 20:16 |
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| danny_mk | rizen | 20:42 |
| danny_mk | While working on these new authentication modules it seems that there is no way to pick the authentication module unless you have a "user" first | 20:42 |
| danny_mk | to make authentication modules like the OpenId one work we need a username which has the authentication method set to use the OpenId module | 20:43 |
| danny_mk | I don't remember your answer on this issue, I know you had a problem with it but I really don't think there is a work around for it. | 20:44 |
| @preaction | i think the auth stuff itself needs to be made multi-module aware. a way for a user to specify which module they use to register | 20:45 |
| @preaction | but i'm not sure how well that will work with the API freeze | 20:45 |
| danny_mk | the way I do it now is I ad an account with a strong password like: openid.guest and set that users authentication to be OpenId | 20:46 |
| SDuensin | Are you trying to give users a choice, or use OID across the board? | 20:47 |
| danny_mk | when any user tries to use OpenId the form has a hidden field (username) with the value of openid.guest and that works well | 20:47 |
| danny_mk | choice | 20:47 |
| danny_mk | I love choice :-) | 20:47 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I see the problem then. :-) | 20:47 |
| danny_mk | Right now I can use OpenId, RpxNow while the site settings authentication method is set to WebGUI | 20:47 |
| danny_mk | I have to do some work this week to update the OpenId module to use 2.0 (thanks preaction) but I really like the RpxNow module too | 20:48 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r9056 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 20:56 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: -Fixed a bug where the clicking apply button when func=add would return the edit screen of the parent asset rather | 20:56 |
| CIA-41 | WebGUI: than that of the newly added asset. | 20:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | any idea how to get teh WG version from the GUI? | 21:09 |
| Bernd_ | It is in the admin console / statistics. | 21:09 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | thanks Bernd_ | 21:27 |
| Bernd_ | Welcome. | 21:27 |
| Bernd_ | Anyone time for a bit of bug fixing? | 21:31 |
| Bernd_ | CS archival is broken after my last update from 7.5.34 to 7.5.37 | 21:31 |
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| +BartJol | danny_mk: still need the testing? | 21:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone know of something like firebug for IE7 | 21:33 |
| danny_mk | sure | 21:33 |
| danny_mk | however, I need to signup for a facebook and myspace account to provide those options | 21:34 |
| danny_mk | I will do it tonight when I am home | 21:34 |
| danny_mk | try tomorrow if I don't get it done tonight, OK? | 21:34 |
| +BartJol | ah, ok, that sound slike in the middle of the night for me | 21:34 |
| +BartJol | timezones, completely obsolete | 21:35 |
| danny_mk | yup :-) | 21:35 |
| +BartJol | ok, it will be tomorrow | 21:35 |
| +BartJol | I'm visiting my boss (aka Koen, the evil Dutch bastard) and wife, so I'm off again | 21:36 |
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| @rizen | danny_mk and preaction: yes auth needs to be made multi-module aware, and we can't do it until webgui 8 | 21:37 |
| @rizen | that's why i haven't really done anything with open id yet | 21:37 |
| danny_mk | the openid stuff is done | 21:38 |
| @rizen | my plan is to rewrite auth from the ground up in webgui 8, and open id will be a built in and defaultly enabled auth system | 21:38 |
| danny_mk | Ah, have you also looked at http://rpxnow.com ? | 21:38 |
| danny_mk | I wrote an Auth module for that as well | 21:38 |
| @rizen | that's great | 21:39 |
| danny_mk | I am testing it now at openid.dbash.com, hopefully will have a version to release this week | 21:40 |
| danny_mk | seems to be working well enough | 21:40 |
| @rizen | i especially like the idea of data sync that they're working on at rpxnow.com | 21:42 |
| danny_mk | yes, it is pretty cool | 21:42 |
| @rizen | definitely worth putting into the core with the WebGUI 8 auth rewrite | 21:42 |
| danny_mk | should I stop development in favor of 8? | 21:44 |
| @rizen | no not at all | 21:44 |
| @rizen | for 1, you're modules are likely to be downloaded and used by people before 8 is available even in beta form | 21:45 |
| danny_mk | sounds good, OK | 21:45 |
| @rizen | for 2, the work you do will make it easier for me (or whomever rewrites auth) to build into the new auth system | 21:45 |
| danny_mk | the rpxnow based module is a lot easier than the OpenId one | 21:46 |
| danny_mk | anyway, thank you for getting back to me, I will continue moving forward with both OpenId and the RpxNow module | 21:47 |
| @rizen | thanks for leading the way | 21:48 |
| danny_mk | you are welcome, WebGUI is a great product | 21:48 |
| @rizen | interoperability is my #1 technical push for the next 5 years (from a strategic point of view), and things like these auth modules are in direct alignment with this strategy | 21:49 |
| danny_mk | I think that integration with these authentication technologies is critical | 21:50 |
| @rizen | me too | 21:50 |
| @rizen | however, that's just 1 tiny part of the overall strategy | 21:50 |
| danny_mk | from my point of view (user) it is essential :-) | 21:51 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 21:51 |
| danny_mk | I am exhausted of all these logins and passwords | 21:51 |
| @rizen | agreed | 21:51 |
| @rizen | i wonder, does rpxnow.com allow for adding our own custom plugins? | 21:52 |
| @rizen | for example, could we add webgui.org | 21:52 |
| danny_mk | yes | 21:52 |
| @rizen | as a provider | 21:52 |
| @rizen | nice | 21:52 |
| danny_mk | AH, that I am not sure | 21:52 |
| danny_mk | sorry | 21:52 |
| @rizen | oh | 21:52 |
| danny_mk | maybe I can take a look at that | 21:52 |
| @rizen | yeah, i think it would be awesome if we could add webgui.org as provider, and the power all webgui related sites off that one central repo | 21:53 |
| @rizen | and webgui.org could also then use all the other providers as well | 21:53 |
| @rizen | but that way if someone didn't want to use their amazon.com account on webgui.org, but did want to use their webgui.org account on all webgui related sites, they could o it | 21:54 |
| danny_mk | right now RpxNow.com is the provider, I know that the Net::OpenId::Server (http://search.cpan.org/~bradfitz/Net-OpenID-Server-0.10/lib/Net/OpenID/Server.pm) allows you to become a "provider" | 21:55 |
| danny_mk | I will have to do a bit of reading for the RpxNow technique, will let you know! | 21:56 |
| danny_mk | Hey, seems like they are the "man in the middle" for OpenId (https://rpxnow.com/technical_overview) | 21:57 |
| danny_mk | OK, rizen, it seems that RpxNow is just like "AJAX" in that it is using existing technologies to provide a nicer interface | 22:09 |
| danny_mk | Does not look like you can be a RpxNow provider unless you write your own "RpxNow" like implementation using something like the Net::OpenID::Server module | 22:10 |
| @rizen | ok, thanks for the info danny_mk | 22:26 |
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| CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r9057 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Photo.pm Asset_Gallery.pm VersionTag.pm): Update from translation server | 22:52 |
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| Bernd_ | rizen, I am working on the translation of the Gallery asset. | 23:00 |
| Bernd_ | But I cannot find the template for adding albums or photos. | 23:00 |
| Bernd_ | Which one is it? | 23:01 |
| @rizen | cannot find the template in the Edit Screen of the gallery asset? | 23:01 |
| Bernd_ | So add = edit? | 23:01 |
| Bernd_ | Because there is none for adding albums / fotos, which seems to be the same template by the way. | 23:02 |
| @rizen | yes add = edit | 23:03 |
| @rizen | at least as far as i know | 23:03 |
| @rizen | that's how all of webgui works | 23:03 |
| @rizen | preaction actually wrote it and may be able to provide more insight | 23:03 |
| Bernd_ | Thanks a lot! | 23:03 |
| Bernd_ | Going to bug preaction then. | 23:03 |
| @preaction | rizen is correct. gallery is no different | 23:04 |
| @rizen | but as far as i know "Template to Edit Albums" is the template used to add | 23:04 |
| Bernd_ | Cool. I think I found it. Thanks again! | 23:04 |
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| Bernd_ | Good night everyone! | 23:26 |
| Bernd_ | exit | 23:26 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | anyone have a clue why a css rtl direction attribute would be messing up draggable in IE7? | 23:53 |
| @Haarg | nope :) | 23:54 |
| @preaction | because it's IE7 | 23:54 |
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| * SDuensin hates IE. | 00:00 | |
| SDuensin | Fixing IE CSS issues now. | 00:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I think the new standard response to "this doesn't work in IE6/7" is "well don't use IE6/7". | 00:02 |
| SDuensin | I *so* wish I could get away with that. | 00:02 |
| @preaction | we can't | 00:02 |
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| SDuensin | I like how IE has "Quirks" and "Standards" modes. Where's the "Fucking Work" mode? | 00:03 |
| ckotil | heh | 00:04 |
| @preaction | FF has quirks and standards mode as well. though standards mode is more standard than some | 00:05 |
| @preaction | "it's more equal" | 00:05 |
| SDuensin | And in IE, why is "Quirks" the default? | 00:05 |
| @preaction | "Default"? if you don't tell IE or FF what document type it is, they assume it's a bad one (thus "quirks") | 00:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone know where the JS is that will set a body's css direction attribute? I've found all the static css that does it, so I can only assume some JS is also setting it on init. | 00:08 |
| @preaction | document.body.style["stylePropertyName"] = "value" <- perhaps? | 00:11 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | looks like draggable.js needs to be updated to YUI to resolve the IE7 issue with rtl. I'm posting to dev for comments, but thought I'd see if there were immediate objections here. | 00:44 |
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| deafferret | I object on the grounds that I'm a clueless newb and have no idea what you're talking about! | 00:47 |
| SDuensin | Revel in your ignorance. You don't want to know! | 00:47 |
| deafferret | done and done! | 00:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | deafferret: yes, I second SDuensin on this one. | 00:48 |
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| metanil | I am wondering if webgui session can be used by other application ? (I know its weird requirement)... like we have sessionId in database.. so how we can use it to access all webgui stuff. | 02:41 |
| @preaction | open that session? if you're using Perl it's quite easy. if you're not using Perl it's not as easy | 02:41 |
| metanil | i'm using perl.. mean other applications are also using perl. | 02:42 |
| metanil | :) | 02:42 |
| @preaction | so load the WebGUI modules and open the session | 02:43 |
| @preaction | the utility scripts would be the easiest place to see this happening | 02:43 |
| metanil | preaction: like directly using sessionId for opening session?? | 02:44 |
| @preaction | uh... that's what always happens | 02:44 |
| metanil | utility scripts?? | 02:45 |
| @preaction | WebGUI/sbin/* | 02:47 |
| metanil | thanks | 02:50 |
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| +BartJol | tavisto: we made sure to eat the chocolates, and Koen didn't got any this year | 17:28 |
| +BartJol | so we're even | 17:28 |
| @tavisto | haha good! | 17:29 |
| +BartJol | he took a holiday to be with Tessa | 17:29 |
| @tavisto | hey gotta do a webinar. bbl | 17:29 |
| @tavisto | those are some awesome chocolates though! | 17:29 |
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| @rizen | twas the night before the night before christmas and all through irc not a creature was stirring not even me | 21:03 |
| * nuba blinks | 21:15 | |
| * SDuensin chuckles | 21:20 | |
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| * deafferret pees | 21:22 | |
| danny_mk | Cool, I enabled myspace logins for WebGUI. I am waiting on my FaceBook account but that should come soon. I am also combining the Auth::OpenID and Auth::RpxNow modules into one | 21:22 |
| @rizen | nice danny_mk | 21:30 |
| @rizen | deafferret: when you pee, do you represent all of OPM or just yourself? | 21:31 |
| danny_mk | a little bit of a hassle combining both but it makes sense since they both use openid | 21:31 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: are you sure it makes sense? i can see replacing the openid module in favor of the rpx module | 21:32 |
| @rizen | but merging them doesn't necessarily make sense to me | 21:32 |
| danny_mk | yes, it makes sense, one is an openid/hcard/etc... service provider, the other uses the Net::OpenID::Consumer module to authenticate against an openid provider | 21:33 |
| danny_mk | I will build a macro that will take an argument to specify login type (RpxNow/OpenID) | 21:34 |
| danny_mk | the AuthModule is not that much bigger since both modules had so much in common | 21:34 |
| danny_mk | that is why I decided to merge them | 21:34 |
| danny_mk | would you like to discuss it before I continue? | 21:42 |
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| danny_mk | rizen: would you like to discuss the module before I continue? | 22:00 |
| @rizen | nope, it's your baby. you know more about it than i can pretend to | 22:02 |
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| danny_mk | OK, tell you what. I will go in the merge direction. If you think it requires change then I can always pull it apart. The modules would only have about 4 different subs. Everything else is basically the same. | 22:10 |
| nuba | danny_mk: he's not around anymore | 22:10 |
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| danny_mk | ah, ok | 22:11 |
| danny_mk | thanks | 22:11 |
| nuba | np | 22:11 |
| danny_mk | OK, is there an easy way to change the captcha image to be a bit more readable? I have some geriatric users that are having problems reading the image. | 22:18 |
| danny_mk | I would like a clearer background on the image, maybe just white | 22:19 |
| @preaction | Haarg: how goes the recaptcha? just waiting for 7.7? | 22:25 |
| @preaction | danny_mk: would recaptcha be a better solution for your users? | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | it'll go into 7.6, i'll probably get it over the break | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | it's pretty simple | 22:25 |
| @preaction | you might be able to convince haarg to give you the code, considering how soon it'll be in webgui | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | i have it working, but i want to remove the need for a prereq | 22:25 |
| @preaction | ah | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | if you want a solution that works right now, i can give it to you | 22:25 |
| danny_mk | I have my own implementation but I rather use a user contributed one | 22:26 |
| danny_mk | possibly recaptcha, I am not sure how it works since I have never looked into recaptcha | 22:26 |
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| @preaction | it's imho the best captcha ever built | 22:26 |
| @preaction | it takes an already-proven machine-unreadable word, adds more distortion, and gives it | 22:27 |
| @preaction | also gives ability to reload inline (get a new word) and hear the word | 22:27 |
| @preaction | from what i understand, it's the only widely-used captcha that has yet to be broken in some way | 22:27 |
| danny_mk | OK, do my users need a recaptcha account? | 22:28 |
| @preaction | i don't know how it works, unfortunately | 22:28 |
| @Haarg | to enable recaptcha, you need to create an account for each domain you use it on | 22:28 |
| danny_mk | but my users do not need an account, right? | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | correct | 22:29 |
| danny_mk | OK, that makes sense, it is basically the same way RpxNow works | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | by default it uses the built in captcha. you have to enable recaptcha and add the auth information from creating the account. | 22:30 |
| @preaction | we could probably make that part of the Site Starter wizard if necessary ("Some things to look at before you finish: Get a recaptcha account. Download the WebGUI Primer. etc...) | 22:30 |
| @preaction | hm... would an informational page be useful during the site starter? | 22:30 |
| danny_mk | of course :-) | 22:30 |
| @preaction | on the same page with "Do you want to run the asset creation thing"? | 22:30 |
| @preaction | also, a tip-of-the-day service (disabled through settings) that displays on admin console pages maybe? | 22:31 |
| danny_mk | Not sure, I have never used the site starter :-( | 22:36 |
| danny_mk | I just think giving new users the most information always helps | 22:37 |
| @preaction | i mean the blue pages before the asset creation part | 22:37 |
| @preaction | where you set up an admin account | 22:37 |
| @preaction | company info | 22:37 |
| @preaction | i... think i | 22:37 |
| @preaction | 've had this idea before | 22:37 |
| danny_mk | you know, it actually makes sense | 22:39 |
| danny_mk | I would do it | 22:39 |
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| @preaction | should we build-in some performance testing tools into the WRE utils? | 23:01 |
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| npinansky | if i want to pass something on the get sting to a wobject , how would i get that value back in the view method, like http://whatever?key=val | 00:07 |
| npinansky | string* | 00:07 |
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| wgGuest09 | quick question. do you know if one can do website in german, but have the actual WebGUI interface in english? | 01:54 |
| nuba | of course, webgui supports unicode, you can do your website in any language you want | 01:55 |
| nuba | you may want to use the german translation, tho | 01:56 |
| @preaction | you can mix-and-match your i18n too | 01:56 |
| wgGuest09 | also, I need to be able to allow people to create a profile which they login to and have access to pages that only members can access | 01:56 |
| @preaction | though that's a little more technical to get into | 01:56 |
| @preaction | wgGuest09: that is a basic feature of webgui | 01:57 |
| wgGuest09 | awesome, thanks! | 01:57 |
| wgGuest09 | what do you mean by the il8n? | 01:57 |
| @preaction | Internationalization <- i, 18 letters, n | 01:57 |
| wgGuest09 | got it. | 01:58 |
| wgGuest09 | thanks for the help. I appreciate it. | 01:58 |
| wgGuest09 | should I use the stable or beta version? | 01:59 |
| @preaction | what are you planning on using it for? | 01:59 |
| wgGuest09 | german radio station that offers online radio, requires chatroom, calendar, galleries, news and subscription | 02:00 |
| @preaction | are you being hosted by anyone? do you have your own Perl developers? | 02:00 |
| wgGuest09 | no. we are hosted on godaddys servers | 02:00 |
| deafferret | http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=i18n :) | 02:01 |
| @preaction | uh... is godaddy going to let you install WebGUI? | 02:01 |
| @preaction | WebGUI is not a CGI app, it's a complex mod_perl application requiring command-line access (ssh) to install | 02:01 |
| wgGuest09 | i was going to install it. does that not work? | 02:01 |
| @preaction | are you going to be using the WRE, or their existing Apache/MySQL? | 02:02 |
| wgGuest09 | their existing apache/mysql | 02:02 |
| @preaction | and you do have ssh access to your server then? | 02:02 |
| wgGuest09 | let me check..... | 02:03 |
| wgGuest09 | this is what they say: | 02:03 |
| wgGuest09 | Status: Not Set Up - Click Enable button to start | 02:03 |
| nuba | for webgui? | 02:04 |
| wgGuest09 | for SSH | 02:04 |
| @preaction | provided you can alter the apache configuration, you should be just fine | 02:04 |
| wgGuest09 | great. | 02:05 |
| wgGuest09 | i compared this cms with others on cmsmatrix.org and this one was by far better then the others | 02:06 |
| @preaction | you're not the least bit concerned that cmsmatrix.org is fully-owned and operated by Plain Black, and is in fact running WebGUI? | 02:06 |
| @preaction | i mean, in the interest of full disclosure | 02:07 |
| @preaction | i wonder if we keep our cmsmatrix.org listing up-to-date, we add so much stuff so rapidly it's hard to keep track | 02:07 |
| wgGuest09 | i didn't know. but they go down the list and compare everything. Unless they are lying about some facts | 02:08 |
| wgGuest09 | or missing something | 02:08 |
| @preaction | no, we're not | 02:08 |
| @preaction | the matrix is a part of WebGUI, you can use it yourself | 02:08 |
| @preaction | the data is compiled by the people who wrote whatever software | 02:09 |
| @preaction | so we maintain our data, for WebGUI, | 02:09 |
| @preaction | but joomla maintains their own data | 02:09 |
| @preaction | drupal, AnyCMS, PHPNuke, etc... | 02:09 |
| @preaction | i would suggest the stable version of WebGUI, far less headaches | 02:09 |
| @preaction | unless your Perl-fu is strong | 02:10 |
| wgGuest09 | makes sense. I am not concerned. if webgui works for what i need it then I am happy. | 02:10 |
| wgGuest09 | yes i will go that way then. | 02:10 |
| wgGuest09 | how does it generally work with updates or fixes? | 02:10 |
| wgGuest09 | can they be installed without affecting the website? | 02:11 |
| @preaction | the website usually has to go down for a few minutes | 02:11 |
| @preaction | when you're changing the database, you can't really have stuff trying to write to the database | 02:11 |
| wgGuest09 | do i also need to download the runtime enviroment? or just the source? | 02:12 |
| @preaction | the WRE is apache/mysql/all webgui's prereqs, it's an easier way to get WebGUI up and running | 02:13 |
| @preaction | i would venture that without the WRE, you will probably run into a few rough spots | 02:13 |
| @preaction | you don't need to use the WRE, no | 02:13 |
| wgGuest09 | i would rather have it easy. which one should I download? i am on macosx 10.5 | 02:14 |
| @preaction | uh... the one that will be put on your server probably | 02:14 |
| @preaction | unless you want to just try it on your home computer | 02:14 |
| wgGuest09 | no. The godaddy server is a linux system | 02:14 |
| @preaction | yes, but which linux system? | 02:15 |
| wgGuest09 | doesn't say. Just linux. I will have to call them and find out. | 02:16 |
| wgGuest09 | redhat linux v.2.4.2.1 kernal apache 1.3 php 5 | 02:29 |
| @preaction | and what does "cat /etc/redhat-release" say? | 02:29 |
| wgGuest09 | ill have to check into it further. that is what support told me on the phone | 02:31 |
| @preaction | 2.4.21 sounds like the kernel version, once you know if it's RHEL3, 4, or 5, you can pick which WRE you need | 02:32 |
| wgGuest09 | i'll find out. I think it is 5 though. | 02:37 |
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| danny_mk | I was hoping to catch cap10morgan online | 04:48 |
| danny_mk | darnit! | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | are y'all still working on OpenID? | 04:49 |
| danny_mk | got it done | 04:49 |
| danny_mk | you can test it at openid.dbash.com | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what happens when i spend a few days away from the channel | 04:49 |
| danny_mk | need to test, test, test... and write documentation | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | congratulations! | 04:50 |
| danny_mk | still need to register my FaceBook account and get single signon from there | 04:50 |
| danny_mk | did you try it? | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I'm fixing bugs | 04:50 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | spent several hours out in the snow today | 04:50 |
| danny_mk | ok | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | so I need to make up some time | 04:50 |
| danny_mk | registration is still an issue, I can get the email from the RpxNow service but not from the Net::OpenID::Consumer at this point | 04:51 |
| danny_mk | will have to work on that | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can, write a ton of automated tests | 04:53 |
| danny_mk | with these technologies it is almost impossible | 04:54 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9069 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make sure that the isMailField flag is preserved when editing the fields. | 04:54 |
| danny_mk | the problem is that they use modules that perform web (http/https) request. How would I test that? | 04:55 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... maybe I can test that. I will let you know if I come up with a solution | 04:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, Apache::Test, Test::WWW::Mechanize | 05:09 |
| +perlDreamer | there are solutions :) | 05:09 |
| danny_mk | yeah, my boss will really like that :-( | 05:10 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 05:10 |
| danny_mk | the guy wants me to learn this darn c++ structured massive app | 05:10 |
| danny_mk | WTF | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | ick | 05:10 |
| danny_mk | he is on my shit every day | 05:10 |
| danny_mk | but I do manage to spend some time on WebGUI stuff | 05:11 |
| danny_mk | he..he...he.. | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and don't forget, it's very, very good to have a job in this economy | 05:11 |
| danny_mk | right, I almost got fired during my first week of work | 05:11 |
| danny_mk | I kept on asking "why did you guys not write this in an object oriented way" | 05:12 |
| danny_mk | the application is massive and all slumped into a couple c++ files | 05:12 |
| danny_mk | NO DOCUMENTATION! and a lot of "while ( i < 10 ){..." | 05:13 |
| danny_mk | he actually told me I had to learn the app through ossmosis | 05:13 |
| danny_mk | anyway, enough about my problems. | 05:14 |
| danny_mk | if you notice cap10morgan online let him know that I am looking for him and to try testing his account at the http://openid.dbash.com website | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | will do, danny_mk | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and Merry Christmas :) | 05:17 |
| danny_mk | you too | 05:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | HFS, what exactly does that stand for? | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Happy Festival Season? | 06:04 |
| @HFS | Heirarchical File System | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | You haven't received a cardboard box by post yet, have you? | 06:04 |
| @HFS | uh. | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't tick or anything | 06:04 |
| @HFS | i haven't checked my mail in a few days | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | might be worth it | 06:04 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9070 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Contributions.pm): | 06:05 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where the session user's name is used instead of the Account owner's name | 06:05 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: in the Contributions screen. | 06:05 |
| @HFS | sigh... you mean i need to get dressed? | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you can go out undressed, just don't be seen | 06:06 |
| @HFS | well, if you say it's worth it | 06:06 |
| @HFS | I'M TRUSTING YOU | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't guarantee the box is there | 06:06 |
| -!- HFS is now known as preaction | 06:14 | |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: it came! and it smells delicious! | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | rock on | 06:16 |
| @preaction | be sure to thank the cook, and the wrapper | 06:16 |
| @preaction | i've broken locks with more ease than this ;) | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be my fault | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but Kathy cooked them | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | your mission, should you choose to undertake it, will be to unwrap it and sample the contents | 06:17 |
| @preaction | hm... is very excellent | 06:20 |
| @preaction | especially chilled | 06:20 |
| @preaction | chewiness excellence | 06:20 |
| @preaction | but it's missing something... | 06:20 |
| @preaction | something bacony... | 06:20 |
| @preaction | BACON! omg yes | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought bacon was on the bad list? | 06:21 |
| @preaction | oh, right, my bad | 06:21 |
| @preaction | but seriously, 100% delicious | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | next batch, we'll put in some bacon | 06:21 |
| @preaction | but then again, why tamper with perfection? | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | very thoughtful of plainblack to provide boxes that are almost exactly the right size for shipping blocks of F.O.B | 06:23 |
| @preaction | heh, that would explain the kisses box | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a family tradition to use misleading boxes | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | most hardback books will fit in common cracker boxes | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's very fun to unwrap a box of Chicken in a Biskit and to thank the giver for the snacks | 06:24 |
| @preaction | ha | 06:25 |
| @preaction | i remember those days, dad would take the video game out of its box, put something mundane in it, then put the video game in some other box | 06:25 |
| @preaction | or, take the super nintendo out of its box and fill it with clothes | 06:26 |
| @preaction | that sort of thing | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | ouch! | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that's just wrong | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | especially if the clothes are underwear | 06:26 |
| @preaction | heh, i think i had already opened a super nintendo game, so it wasn't that mean really | 06:26 |
| @preaction | i knew it was there, it wasn't as bad as the kid who got a Xbox 360 box full of clothes, and then his parents and everybody laughing at him | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | well, okay | 06:27 |
| @preaction | and everyone on the internet felt so bad that they bought him a 360 | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiab | 06:29 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9071 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): remove empty i18n entries that were causing translation server problems. | 06:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | back | 06:48 |
| @preaction | word | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to call it a night | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | the last several days of contracting has pretty much destroyed my work/life balance | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and I need some rest | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | see y'all tomorrow, on and off. | 06:51 |
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| patspam | anyone around to recommend a good modperl book to me? | 07:22 |
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| @preaction | patspam: Practical Mod_Perl, is free! | 07:29 |
| @preaction | perlbot modperl | 07:29 |
| perlbot | Check out mod_perl at perl.apache.org | 07:29 |
| @preaction | er.. well, google is your friend | 07:29 |
| patspam | heh | 07:29 |
| patspam | i was looking at that on amazon (i like reading paper books), it got a 10/10 review from dave cross, my only reservation is it's mod_perl1 not mod_perl2 | 07:30 |
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| Bernd_ | preaction, do you never go to sleep? | 10:08 |
| Bernd_ | Or ist that just a ghost of yours? | 10:09 |
| @preaction | sleep is for children and weakminded and those who can't afford caffiene | 10:09 |
| @preaction | do you mean "botaction" | 10:09 |
| @preaction | that's a bot | 10:09 |
| Bernd_ | Ah, a coffee junkie! | 10:09 |
| Bernd_ | So you prefer to work at night? | 10:09 |
| Bernd_ | Or rather 24/7? | 10:09 |
| Bernd_ | Where is botaction? | 10:10 |
| Bernd_ | I have not met him yet? | 10:10 |
| @preaction | botaction is my robot that does the smoke testing | 10:11 |
| @preaction | he's been broken for a while | 10:11 |
| Bernd_ | I see. | 10:11 |
| Bernd_ | Is that the reason you are still awake? | 10:11 |
| Bernd_ | Taking over his part? | 10:11 |
| Bernd_ | its part, probably. | 10:12 |
| @preaction | no, i'm learning python so that I can write modules for a video game i've gotten back into | 10:12 |
| @preaction | this game has sucked a lot of my life, but it's also the reason i know Perl at all | 10:12 |
| @preaction | http://getcontinuum.com | 10:12 |
| Bernd_ | Nerd! ;-) | 10:13 |
| Bernd_ | Still I love video games! | 10:13 |
| @preaction | heh. you have no idea ;) | 10:13 |
| Bernd_ | Going to check that one out! | 10:13 |
| Bernd_ | Cool! | 10:13 |
| @preaction | it's an older game, and since it was abandoned by its maker, it's 100% community-supported now | 10:13 |
| Bernd_ | Is that a bit like "Homeworld"? | 10:13 |
| @preaction | not really, no | 10:13 |
| Bernd_ | If you know that one. | 10:14 |
| Bernd_ | What is it like? | 10:14 |
| @preaction | it's like Asteroids, only there are other people and you shoot at them | 10:14 |
| Bernd_ | Shooting is always good! | 10:14 |
| @preaction | it's a lot like a First-Person Shooter, but instead it's top-down | 10:14 |
| @preaction | it's a simple game, and each zone can have an entirely different game | 10:14 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe we can have webgui event and shoot all at each other? | 10:14 |
| @preaction | some zones even completely change how the game looks | 10:14 |
| Bernd_ | I assume there is a number of online servers? | 10:15 |
| @preaction | heh, i'm not sure if i want to subject my co-workers to the addiction of SubSpace | 10:15 |
| Bernd_ | Do you run one yourself? | 10:15 |
| @preaction | i do now, yes | 10:15 |
| @preaction | we're not open yet, we're an OLD zone that died, i'm trying to bring it back | 10:15 |
| Bernd_ | Let me know of the next big event! | 10:15 |
| Bernd_ | I am going to practice till then. | 10:15 |
| @preaction | good luck, it's a simple game but it's got a lot of skill | 10:16 |
| Bernd_ | Alright, enjoy hacking! | 10:16 |
| Bernd_ | I am going to finish the rest of my breakfast. | 10:16 |
| Bernd_ | More Coffee!!! | 10:16 |
| @preaction | aww.. now i'm in the mood for breakfast | 10:16 |
| Bernd_ | And merry Christmas, btw. | 10:16 |
| @preaction | you as well | 10:16 |
| Bernd_ | Just do not think of croissants, crunchy toast, delicious jam and so on. | 10:17 |
| Bernd_ | Just totally avoid that :-) | 10:17 |
| Bernd_ | Ok, I am gone. | 10:17 |
| @preaction | nor freshly-fried eggs with tender yolks | 10:18 |
| @preaction | fresh bacon sizzling in butter | 10:18 |
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| Bernd_ | preaction, it is five o'clock in the morning! | 13:05 |
| Bernd_ | Two hours more and you can indeed go ahead with your breakfast. | 13:05 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: translation * r9072 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Photo.pm Asset_Gallery.pm Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm): Update from translation server | 13:39 |
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| Bernd_ | Hey folks, where in the svn repository can I find translations? | 15:27 |
| Bernd_ | Oh, I found it! | 15:28 |
| Bernd_ | I apologize for interrupting. | 15:28 |
| +BartJol | Bernd_: yes we were really disturbed ;) | 15:31 |
| Bernd_ | No wonder, so close to Christmas... | 15:32 |
| Bernd_ | Btw, any luck with the virgins? | 15:32 |
| +BartJol | virgins? I'm not a moslim suicide terrorist? | 15:33 |
| Bernd_ | I meant to remember that you mentioned some during our last chat session. | 15:34 |
| Bernd_ | But that was a while ago, | 15:34 |
| +BartJol | no, that was a polygamous commune | 15:34 |
| Bernd_ | Certain? I would bet it was more something like innocent virgins... | 15:35 |
| Bernd_ | But, never mind. | 15:35 |
| Bernd_ | BartJol, are you indeed working or just pretending so? | 15:37 |
| +BartJol | actually, I am | 15:37 |
| Bernd_ | Not a holiday in the Netherlands? | 15:37 |
| +BartJol | trying to make a script that adds storage location to a image1 field of a product | 15:38 |
| +BartJol | tomorrow and friday we are free | 15:38 |
| Bernd_ | I see. | 15:38 |
| Bernd_ | What is the storage location for? | 15:38 |
| Bernd_ | I was not aware that you converted into a code hacker. | 15:38 |
| +BartJol | that is how WebGUI wants the product images | 15:39 |
| +BartJol | just trying to be a hacker | 15:39 |
| Bernd_ | I don't understand a word. | 15:39 |
| Bernd_ | But anyhow, good luck! | 15:39 |
| Bernd_ | And enjoy the holidays. | 15:39 |
| +BartJol | :) | 15:39 |
| +BartJol | thanks, you too | 15:39 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: translation * r9073 /translations/German/German/Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm: Update from translation server | 15:53 |
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| npinansky | can anyone tell me how can i retrieve a value from the query string inside a wobject? | 17:02 |
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| Bernd_ | Not sure what you want. | 17:03 |
| Bernd_ | Can you give some more detail? | 17:03 |
| npinansky | yeah i want to figure out how to access values passed on a get query | 17:05 |
| npinansky | so | 17:05 |
| npinansky | someurl?key=value | 17:05 |
| npinansky | what function gets me access to that? | 17:05 |
| Bernd_ | Can't you parse it from the url the asset was queried with? | 17:07 |
| Bernd_ | I think there is a function for retrieving that url. | 17:07 |
| npinansky | i guess | 17:07 |
| npinansky | thats kind of | 17:07 |
| npinansky | reinventing the wheel | 17:07 |
| npinansky | surely webgui must give you access to a CGI.pm type thing | 17:08 |
| Bernd_ | There it is: my $url = $self->session->url; | 17:08 |
| Bernd_ | That is how it is being done in the UserList asset. | 17:08 |
| Bernd_ | Not sure if there is a better way. | 17:08 |
| Bernd_ | My best guess would be to check in Asset.pm and related modules | 17:09 |
| Bernd_ | or Wobject.pm | 17:09 |
| npinansky | yeah did | 17:09 |
| npinansky | but | 17:09 |
| npinansky | maybe session | 17:09 |
| npinansky | is what i need | 17:09 |
| npinansky | thx | 17:09 |
| Bernd_ | Welcome! | 17:09 |
| Bernd_ | And merry Xhristmas :-) | 17:09 |
| Bernd_ | Christmas | 17:10 |
| npinansky | im jewish but thanks anyway, same to you | 17:11 |
| Bernd_ | And I am atheist :-) | 17:16 |
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| +BartJol | hey danny_mk alreadu have a facebook account? | 17:58 |
| danny_mk | wish I did, still working out the details | 17:58 |
| danny_mk | maybe I can just get it now, I did get myspace enabled, did you notice that? | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | I think there is a link on www.facebook.com that says "Sign in" | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | :) | 17:59 |
| danny_mk | NO, it is not that. Well, it is a long story but I just requested a new password | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | oh, yeah there is an extra possibility | 18:00 |
| +BartJol | sorry, my script doesn't work and I'm getting frustrated, which results in bad jokes | 18:00 |
| danny_mk | LOL, stand by, working on it now | 18:02 |
| danny_mk | OK, facebook is enabled | 18:04 |
| danny_mk | you can test now | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:04 |
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| +BartJol | it worked | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | but I can't turn admin on... | 18:06 |
| danny_mk | right, I have to work on a few things | 18:07 |
| danny_mk | but that is site specific | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | ok, well, if you need anotgher test, delete my user and I can try again | 18:07 |
| danny_mk | I will rename your username and give you more options. Hold on | 18:08 |
| +BartJol | is theremore you want me to test? | 18:09 |
| danny_mk | yes, hold on | 18:09 |
| danny_mk | alright, login again and see if you can turn on admin at the bottom of the page | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | I can turn admin on now | 18:11 |
| danny_mk | right, it is a site configuration thing | 18:11 |
| +BartJol | is it me or is the site a bit sluggish? | 18:11 |
| danny_mk | it is a small server at my home so be kind (don't hurt my feelings ) :_) | 18:12 |
| danny_mk | ;-) | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | ok, but it explains that it is the site, not your programming | 18:12 |
| danny_mk | The module works quite well, it is during the create account process that I have to put the user in the right group, and give the new users the right priviledges | 18:14 |
| +BartJol | turn admin on, might not always be the correct group ;) | 18:14 |
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| danny_mk | however, I wonder what is the accepted way to creating new accounts | 18:14 |
| danny_mk | right | 18:14 |
| danny_mk | I think I should leave the rest to the administrator of the site | 18:14 |
| danny_mk | he/she should approve accounts and the user rights | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | yeah and make a choice on what should be aotomatic | 18:15 |
| danny_mk | is there a current "approved" way to add new users to a system? | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | the WebGUI accepted way? | 18:15 |
| danny_mk | which is? | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | I think that is in the api | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | if you follow those methods, you should be ok | 18:16 |
| danny_mk | the biggest hurdle was to get WebGUI to accepts login from all these places | 18:17 |
| danny_mk | and I think this is an acceptable compromise | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | Well, I'm not a very good judge on code | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | you might put it in the bazaar and ask whether people see things that could be improved | 18:18 |
| danny_mk | It will be in the bazaar once I test a few accounts. I still have to write tests/documentation/etc... | 18:20 |
| danny_mk | I should be able to release a beta version by next week | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | or you can paste it in pastebin if a programming guru is online here | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | that excludes me | 18:21 |
| danny_mk | There are a few things that I need to work through, like some of these services do not provide an email account by default: "facebook" did not | 18:21 |
| danny_mk | maybe it is a setting that has to be turned on | 18:21 |
| danny_mk | so, once the user is authenticated, I have to ask for an email account | 18:22 |
| +BartJol | I think I should head of for the first of my 4 christmas dinners... | 18:23 |
| +BartJol | so good luck and have a nice christmas | 18:25 |
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| @tavisto | Merry Christmas everyone! | 00:38 |
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| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9074 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 2 dirs): More template i18n. | 01:08 |
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| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9075 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:37 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Set isHidden=1 in GalleryFile by default, to prevent some navigations from having | 01:37 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: problems. | 01:37 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Update existing GalleryFile assets to set isHidden=1. | 01:37 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9076 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backporting GalleryFile isHidden fix | 01:37 |
| +Radix_ | Merry Christmas Everyone :) | 02:27 |
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| @khenn | merry christmas all | 07:21 |
| SDuensin | HAPPY FESTIVUS! | 07:22 |
| @preaction | Happy Chrismahanukwanzivus! | 07:24 |
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| Bernd_ | preaction, still hacking on that game? | 19:41 |
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| Bernd_ | preaction, are you at work? | 22:10 |
| Bernd_ | I have a webgui-related question. | 22:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Merry Christmas, all! | 19:10 |
| Bernd_ | Hey, perlDreamer is back! | 19:47 |
| Bernd_ | I am glad you are at work again. | 19:47 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: never lest | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | He's back! | 19:47 |
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| Bernd_ | Merry Christmas to you as well | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I was gone? | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, some very intense consulting work | 19:47 |
| Bernd_ | I did't see you on the chat yesterday. | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yesterday I was a dad | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I wear many hats | 19:48 |
| Bernd_ | And the day before yesterday iirc. | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | day before yesterday I was Santa Claus :) | 19:48 |
| Bernd_ | That's good. I am going to be a dad again on Sunday. | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't know that you had kids. | 19:48 |
| Bernd_ | Just one. | 19:49 |
| Bernd_ | A little girl of 16 months. | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | one is a lot. Their small quantity is deceptive | 19:49 |
| Bernd_ | That's true. But we were not allowed to have a quarter. | 19:49 |
| Bernd_ | That would have been my preferred choice. | 19:49 |
| Bernd_ | You can still increase later on. | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Is she a climber like Dad? | 19:50 |
| Bernd_ | No, does not even walk. | 19:50 |
| Bernd_ | But maybe she is already thinking 3d. | 19:50 |
| Bernd_ | I should give it a try. | 19:50 |
| Bernd_ | Anyway, I have not been that much of a climber, recently. | 19:51 |
| Bernd_ | I need to find a partner in Heidelberg first. | 19:51 |
| Bernd_ | rizen, what about my Xmas karma bonus for fixing that bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9349 | 19:52 |
| @rizen | you get karma every time you post to the bug board | 19:55 |
| @rizen | that's bonus enough for you | 19:55 |
| Bernd_ | :-( | 19:56 |
| @rizen | as for fixing it on the 25th | 19:56 |
| @rizen | not my fault that you have no life. =) | 19:56 |
| Bernd_ | You could be better at moving community members. | 19:56 |
| Bernd_ | motivating | 19:56 |
| @rizen | i guess that means i should also get a xmas karma bonus because i'm working this week while the rest of my staff has off | 19:56 |
| Bernd_ | I have a life, btw. I was just taking a day off. | 19:56 |
| Bernd_ | I grant you 1000 points. | 19:57 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: i was kidding about the no life thing | 19:57 |
| @rizen | that's why there was a smiley face | 19:57 |
| Bernd_ | I know. I was the one to start it, remember? | 19:57 |
| @rizen | you need to not be so sensitive | 19:57 |
| Bernd_ | I am not. | 19:57 |
| Bernd_ | Am I? | 19:57 |
| @rizen | poke | 19:57 |
| @rizen | poke | 19:57 |
| @rizen | poke | 19:57 |
| @rizen | did that hurt? | 19:57 |
| Bernd_ | A bit. | 19:58 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe. | 19:58 |
| @rizen | yup, you're too sensitive | 19:58 |
| Bernd_ | You should not poke that hard. | 19:58 |
| Bernd_ | No, really. I am not. | 19:58 |
| Bernd_ | I have learned to take a lot. | 19:58 |
| Bernd_ | And, btw, I was never offended at any time. | 19:59 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer can tell you that i will go so far as to send viruses your way, so you better watch out Bernd_ | 20:00 |
| Bernd_ | Hey, what would the viruses be for? | 20:01 |
| Bernd_ | I have not done anything so far. | 20:01 |
| Bernd_ | Or would that just be for disturbing at work? | 20:01 |
| @rizen | in some cases they're just mild ones to get you to stay home from work so you can instead hang out on irc and work on webgui =) | 20:01 |
| @rizen | in other cases, they can be quite deadly if you annoy me too much. =0 | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: rizen will send out the virus team to Germany | 20:02 |
| Bernd_ | Ah, now I know where that stomach flue came from that struck my baby, my wife and then the rest of the family including myself. | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | they will infect you so that you miss work | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and can stay home to work on WebGUI | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | be wary | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it happened twice last year | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm still tracking down how he's involved with my being laid off | 20:03 |
| Bernd_ | I have indeed worked on WebGUI a bit during that time. | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | see! | 20:03 |
| Bernd_ | I hate it he won. | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | this may only be the first wave | 20:03 |
| Bernd_ | But next time a know better. | 20:03 |
| Bernd_ | I will use the time to flood him with useless RFEs instead1 | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if it infected the wife and child, it's probably not his crew | 20:04 |
| Bernd_ | ! | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | they are very targeted | 20:04 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: knowing better won't help you. it's a special strain that makes it so you can't help but work on webgui | 20:04 |
| Bernd_ | You are a genetic engineer, aren't you? | 20:04 |
| @rizen | it's a motivational virus | 20:04 |
| Bernd_ | DNA or RNA virus? | 20:04 |
| Bernd_ | You must know that I have worked on influenza for 5 years. | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a rotavational virus | 20:05 |
| @rizen | just minor RNA virus used to resequence your priorities | 20:05 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe I can come up with a defense. | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the defense is never be late on your deliveries | 20:05 |
| Bernd_ | And it is re-infective? | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 20:05 |
| Bernd_ | Ah! But I do not have any, which means I am safe?! | 20:06 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: it's actually better, you never get rid of it. instead it just lies dormant waiting to be reactivated | 20:06 |
| Bernd_ | How do you trigger it? | 20:06 |
| @rizen | that's the secret | 20:06 |
| @rizen | and i'm not telling | 20:06 |
| Bernd_ | I suspected. | 20:06 |
| @rizen | if you knew how it was activated then you might find a way to stop me | 20:06 |
| Bernd_ | Is it active now in my case? | 20:06 |
| @rizen | nope | 20:06 |
| @rizen | at least not by me | 20:06 |
| Bernd_ | Good, because I have other stuff to do. | 20:07 |
| Bernd_ | But you can activate it over the weekend :-) | 20:07 |
| @rizen | unfortunately the evil mastermind koen has stolen the activation secrets | 20:07 |
| Bernd_ | Fear the dutch! | 20:07 |
| @rizen | so he can also activate it to do his bidding | 20:07 |
| @rizen | indeed fear them | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what you get for letting him sleep in your Evil Genius Secret Hideout | 20:08 |
| Bernd_ | I will try to remember. Although BartJol appears to be a nice guy on the first glance. | 20:08 |
| @rizen | fear them the way the perlDreamer clan fears that i may eat their livers | 20:08 |
| Bernd_ | Huuh! | 20:09 |
| Bernd_ | What kind of a horror movie did I get dragged in? | 20:09 |
| @rizen | BartJol is a nice guy, he's just a front for the evil Koen Dictator | 20:09 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe I should leave as long as I can. | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen come to portland for a conference. I told my boys that he likes to eat the livers of small children. | 20:09 |
| Bernd_ | Let's change the topic before it is too late and he cannot control himself any longer. | 20:10 |
| Bernd_ | Conferences is a good subject. | 20:10 |
| Bernd_ | Any in Europe next year? | 20:10 |
| * rizen goes back to work on Automat | 20:10 | |
| @rizen | I'll likely be speaking at YAPC:EU in Lisbon next summer | 20:10 |
| Bernd_ | Lisbon? Hm, too far away. Any other? | 20:10 |
| @rizen | that's the only one i'm doing in europe | 20:11 |
| @rizen | you'd have to talk to the dutch guys to see if they are doing others | 20:11 |
| @rizen | Lisbon is not that far from where you are | 20:12 |
| @rizen | especially considering that i'm flying over the atlantic to get there...that's way further than you have to go | 20:12 |
| Bernd_ | Looking at it that way nothing is far since Germany is pretty much in the middle. | 20:12 |
| @rizen | exactly | 20:12 |
| Bernd_ | Still it is quite an expensive flight to get there. | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | take the train? | 20:13 |
| Bernd_ | And I cannot pay with karma :-( | 20:13 |
| @rizen | and i bet you can take a train and get ther in less than a day | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it is more than a day | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | all the way through France and Spain | 20:13 |
| Bernd_ | Uh, that would be a long ride. And it is most certainly more expensive. | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | more than the airplane? | 20:13 |
| Bernd_ | Definitely. | 20:13 |
| Bernd_ | Train rides are quite expensive in Europe. | 20:13 |
| Bernd_ | The French take a lot for their TGV tickets. | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you don't have to go by TGV, how about ICE? | 20:14 |
| Bernd_ | ICE only goes to Paris. Then you have to change. | 20:14 |
| @rizen | is it my fault that spain and france are large countries and that portugal just happens to sit on the far side of them? | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:15 |
| @rizen | heh | 20:15 |
| @rizen | i knew i shouldn't have divided up europe the way i did | 20:15 |
| Bernd_ | The Netherlands would be a much better spot. | 20:16 |
| Bernd_ | I love Amsterdam. | 20:16 |
| Bernd_ | Can't we have a WebGUI event there? | 20:16 |
| @rizen | i told constantine and napoleon that it would be problematic | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I heat that Heidelberg is quite nice in Germany | 20:16 |
| Bernd_ | It is a nice spot, indeed. But probably overestimated. | 20:16 |
| @rizen | there have already been 2 webgui conferences in amsterdam, you missed them | 20:17 |
| Bernd_ | Still worth a trip. | 20:17 |
| Bernd_ | What a pitty. I hope there are going to be more. | 20:17 |
| Bernd_ | Once the German user group has more than two members we can have one in Heidelberg, too. | 20:17 |
| @rizen | i can't really organize them, no feet on the ground over there. someone in europe will have to take that responsibility. | 20:18 |
| Bernd_ | I assume the Dutch community is the single one big enough? | 20:18 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: what will it take to grow the german community? anything that PB can do to help you out? | 20:18 |
| Bernd_ | First, I think we must finish the translation. | 20:19 |
| Bernd_ | But that is still a lot of work to do. | 20:19 |
| @rizen | The Dutch community isn't actually big enough by itself. When we did it there, we pulled in peeps from sweden, Germany, Britain, and others | 20:19 |
| Bernd_ | It maybe at 70% but most of it needs to be re-checked. | 20:19 |
| Bernd_ | may be | 20:19 |
| Bernd_ | Then we must somehow spread the word about WebGUI in Germany. | 20:20 |
| Bernd_ | Not sure how to do that. | 20:20 |
| Bernd_ | The linux magazine did not work. | 20:20 |
| Bernd_ | I still need to address other Journals. | 20:20 |
| Bernd_ | But somehow I am not too optimistic. | 20:20 |
| @rizen | You can't let just one magazine get you down. | 20:20 |
| Bernd_ | Getting it into Debian probably will help a lot. | 20:20 |
| @rizen | Do you have any idea how many things PB does to market WebGUI that aren't successful? | 20:21 |
| Bernd_ | No worries, I will go on. I have finished the letter I want to send already. | 20:21 |
| Bernd_ | No idea. | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | there was the great sticker fiasco of 2009 | 20:21 |
| Bernd_ | But I imaging it is a lot. | 20:21 |
| @rizen | One thing that could really help is to find a site in germany that gets lots of traffic, and help them convert it to WebGUI | 20:22 |
| @rizen | Puts a lot of eyeballs on WebGUi that way | 20:22 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe. The problem is that there is already strong competition. | 20:22 |
| Bernd_ | Ever heard of Joomla? | 20:22 |
| @rizen | there's strong competition everywhere Bernd_ | 20:23 |
| @rizen | of course i've heard of Joomla | 20:23 |
| @rizen | There are more than 2000 products in the content space | 20:23 |
| @rizen | there's going to be competition | 20:23 |
| @rizen | you can't let it scare you off or get you down. | 20:23 |
| Bernd_ | I think it already provides a complete translation, is free and has a large community. | 20:23 |
| Bernd_ | I am not scared. | 20:24 |
| Bernd_ | I am just wondering how to promote WebGUI most effectively. | 20:24 |
| Bernd_ | I have limited time, energy and resources only. | 20:24 |
| @rizen | I'll tell you something that has worked well for PB, and we'll support you in that effort | 20:24 |
| Bernd_ | So, what would be the best investment? | 20:24 |
| @rizen | Going to local trade shows and user conferences. | 20:25 |
| @rizen | Many offer free booths for open source products. | 20:25 |
| @rizen | We'll send you swag you can hand out. | 20:25 |
| Bernd_ | Sounds great but I cannot do it. | 20:25 |
| @rizen | You just have to go there, demo the product, and answer questions. | 20:25 |
| @rizen | Why? | 20:25 |
| Bernd_ | I will not have any vacation for the next 5 months. | 20:26 |
| @rizen | so do it after that period, or have Klaus do it | 20:26 |
| Bernd_ | And then I cannot ask my wife to watch the child while I take a few days of for the purpose of amusement. | 20:26 |
| @rizen | Also, many user conferences are on Saturdays | 20:26 |
| @rizen | Many conferences are just one day long. | 20:26 |
| Bernd_ | I think that someone like Klaus should do it. | 20:26 |
| Bernd_ | He is a professional after all. | 20:26 |
| Bernd_ | He would benefit most from it. | 20:26 |
| @rizen | And most trade shows are only 2 days long. | 20:26 |
| Bernd_ | And he is a freelancer. | 20:26 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe you are right. | 20:27 |
| Bernd_ | There are several linux and opensource days in Germany. | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | It is a most enlightened place. | 20:27 |
| @rizen | If you two put your heads together and decide you want to promote WebGUI at one of these places (or better yet, many of these places) we'll support you. | 20:28 |
| Bernd_ | Ok, let me do some research and compile a list of interesting events. | 20:28 |
| Bernd_ | Then we can talk again. | 20:28 |
| @rizen | I'll mail you stickers, gooey dolls, brochures, etc. | 20:28 |
| @rizen | Great! | 20:28 |
| Bernd_ | Alright. Ah, it's itching again. Did you activate the virus? | 20:28 |
| @rizen | hehe | 20:28 |
| Bernd_ | I fear you more than ever! | 20:29 |
| * rizen whistles a tune and goes about his business | 20:29 | |
| Bernd_ | Enough for the moment. I really need to get something done. | 20:29 |
| * Bernd_ is off to work again. | 20:29 | |
| * perlDreamer reminds rizen that looking innocent and cute only works on wives. | 20:29 | |
| +perlDreamer | hackers are much too suspicious to fall for that | 20:30 |
| @rizen | am i capable of looking either cute or innocent? i don't think i am. =) | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so, but you should check with Frau Bownds | 20:30 |
| @rizen | Frau Bownds is a poor judge, how do you think i coaxed her into marrying me? | 20:32 |
| Bernd_ | Another virus? | 20:33 |
| Bernd_ | Must be :-P | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: No bad mouthing Frau Bownds. She has a strong following with the Northwestern WebGUI contingent. | 20:35 |
| @rizen | heh | 20:35 |
| @rizen | she's thinking about learning either spanish or german | 20:36 |
| @rizen | i've volunteered you to be her tutor in both cases. =) | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | zehr gutt! | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | seeing as how you're going to portugal, I'd recommend German | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that way she and Kathy can lament about being our wives behind our backs | 20:38 |
| Bernd_ | And I could teach them useful vocabulary in that respect! | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I think my favorite is "Ah, with our husbands, the fun never starts!" | 20:46 |
| Bernd_ | Let me try a free translation. | 20:46 |
| Bernd_ | "Ach, unsere Männer sind doch die größten Spaßbremsen!" | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that is not an accurate translation | 20:47 |
| Bernd_ | Accurate would be | 20:47 |
| Bernd_ | "Ach, mit unseren Ehemännern fängt der Spaß erst gar nicht an!" | 20:48 |
| Bernd_ | Doesn't make much sense, though. | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that is my biggest problem with German is that I only know how to translate word by word | 20:52 |
| Bernd_ | I have the same problem when translating to English. | 20:53 |
| Bernd_ | You often have to re-phrase for a good match. | 20:53 |
| Bernd_ | In particular when using informal language. | 20:53 |
| Bernd_ | Otherwise it just does not hit the core. | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:54 |
| Bernd_ | We can translate a few more things later on. | 20:54 |
| Bernd_ | But now, | 20:54 |
| * Bernd_ is going to have dinner. | 20:55 | |
| Bernd_ | :-) | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | guten appetit | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | any suggestions for books/resources for learning SQL? | 22:10 |
| Bernd_ | I have some reference from O'Reilly. | 22:10 |
| Bernd_ | I do not remember the name, though. | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | They have several. | 22:10 |
| Bernd_ | I believe it was on the 97 standard? | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I feel stuck | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I can write basic SQL, but lack understanding of more advanced topics | 22:10 |
| Bernd_ | Not sure. Don't have it here at the moment. | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | What do you want to do? | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Just to learn more, understand more | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I have the feeling I could be doing stuff better, or more efficiently. | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's nothing specific | 22:11 |
| Bernd_ | Hm, probably can't help you in this case. | 22:12 |
| Bernd_ | I know very little about SQL myself. | 22:12 |
| Bernd_ | I usually go by trial and error. | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: when implelementing RFEs for non-core WebGUI stuff, can we release immediately? | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it's this RFE: Less lines in i18n editor (#9350) | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9350 | 23:06 |
| @rizen | certainly | 23:09 |
| @rizen | for i18n editor at least | 23:09 |
| @rizen | other stuff is case by case | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 23:09 |
| @rizen | actually if you'd do me a favor and switch it to use yui rich editor i'd appreciate it | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I can work on that | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | why the switch? | 23:11 |
| @rizen | for one, it produces better html | 23:11 |
| @rizen | for another, we're getting rid of TinyMCE in WebGUI in either 7.7 or 8.0 (depending on time) | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | big change | 23:12 |
| @rizen | indeed | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that means a lot of plug-in rewriting | 23:14 |
| @rizen | and writing plugins that we didn't need to write for TinyMCE, cuz they were just there | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | you mean that YUI means we have to write fewer plugins? | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | if so, that's way cool | 23:17 |
| @rizen | the rich editor in YUI isn't even closed to as powerful as TinyMCE | 23:17 |
| @rizen | so no, it's the opposite of what you said | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll have to write _more_ plugins | 23:17 |
| @rizen | however, it produces better HTML, and more importantly, it renders faster because it uses the YUI base line code that will already be downloaded for other things, and doesn't cause problems with Safari, | 23:18 |
| @rizen | yes, more plug ins | 23:18 |
| @rizen | this is something i've given a great deal of thought about | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not doubting you, just wanting to make sure I understand | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and fewer problems works really well for me | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as we stay with perl | 23:22 |
| Bernd_ | Why use a rich editor on the translation server at all? | 23:22 |
| Bernd_ | To me that does not make sense. | 23:22 |
| Bernd_ | Translations should be free of html code. | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | because there is some embedded HTML in there. paragraph tags, markup, etc | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | remember, the translations used to include all the macro and asset documentation too | 23:23 |
| Bernd_ | Better to get rid of that. | 23:23 |
| Bernd_ | HTML code is likely to cause problems later on. | 23:23 |
| Bernd_ | I would prefer to keep appearance and content strictly separated. | 23:23 |
| Bernd_ | Should be possible to get around in almost all cases. | 23:24 |
| @rizen | Rich editor can be turned on/off by translators. | 23:26 |
| @rizen | So feel free not to use it | 23:26 |
| @rizen | But it must stay intact for the time being. | 23:26 |
| Bernd_ | I know and I am not using it. | 23:27 |
| Bernd_ | Just wanted to point out that imo it would be better not to include any html at all. | 23:27 |
| @rizen | i agree | 23:28 |
| @rizen | but for historical reasons, it must remain for the time being | 23:28 |
| @rizen | HAPPY KWANZAA everybody! | 23:37 |
| Bernd_ | Cool! Had to look it up in wikipedia. Happy Kwanzaa to you as well! | 23:40 |
| Bernd_ | rizen, did you receive my message? I was experiencing problems with my mail server again. | 23:41 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:41 |
| @rizen | i replied | 23:42 |
| @rizen | i said it in the email, but i'll say it again here, if you guys decide to go to multiple conferences (and can get a booth space at them) then I'll even pay to have german language brochures made up | 23:42 |
| Bernd_ | Ah, just received you reply. | 23:42 |
| Bernd_ | That's very generous. But who is going to prepare it? | 23:43 |
| Bernd_ | That would be a lot of work. | 23:43 |
| Bernd_ | Unless Klaus and/or some other professionals jump in, | 23:43 |
| Bernd_ | I rather skip. | 23:43 |
| Bernd_ | Let me talk to Klaus first. I put him CC. | 23:44 |
| Bernd_ | Let's wait for his reply. | 23:44 |
| Bernd_ | Btw, do you know some other German professional I could get in touch with? | 23:44 |
| @rizen | Unfortunately the only other German WebGUi person I know of is Andreas | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | RFE implemented, rizen. Now, on to yours | 23:45 |
| @rizen | and you said he hasn't been helpful | 23:45 |
| @rizen | We'd do the design work, we'd just need someone to translate the text of the brochure | 23:45 |
| Bernd_ | Did I say he was not helpful? | 23:46 |
| Bernd_ | I think I only said that webgui-cms.de is dead. | 23:46 |
| @rizen | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/79833/Brochures/Meet%20WebGUI%20no%20pb.pdf | 23:46 |
| Bernd_ | And that he did not reply to any of my emails in the beginning. | 23:46 |
| @rizen | that's the brochure that we'd need translated into german text | 23:46 |
| Bernd_ | But we have been in touch a while ago. | 23:46 |
| @rizen | oh, my mistake about Andreas | 23:47 |
| @rizen | Perhaps he could get you a list of other German WebGUI professionals | 23:47 |
| Bernd_ | Still, Andreas claims to have very little time. I do not expect him to show up on any conference. | 23:47 |
| Bernd_ | Hm, don't you think they are registered on webgui.org? | 23:48 |
| Bernd_ | There has not been much activity in the German board, recently. | 23:48 |
| @rizen | maybe, but how would i know if they are german or not? | 23:48 |
| Bernd_ | You are probably right. | 23:49 |
| @rizen | holy crap | 23:49 |
| Bernd_ | It is definitely difficult to get it started. | 23:49 |
| @rizen | i just did an email address search of people registered with an email address that ends with .de | 23:49 |
| Bernd_ | When we opened the German forum, Klaus a send a mail to all webgui users he was aware of. | 23:49 |
| @rizen | more than 400 accounts | 23:50 |
| Bernd_ | The result was a single reply in the forum! | 23:50 |
| Bernd_ | That is what I suspected. But they are not active any longer. | 23:50 |
| Bernd_ | Or never have been. | 23:50 |
| Bernd_ | It is the same on our web site. | 23:50 |
| Bernd_ | We almost have 100 registered users. | 23:50 |
| @rizen | are you familiar with what gmx.de is? | 23:51 |
| Bernd_ | There are probably less then 5 participating actively in the forum. | 23:51 |
| @rizen | there are several people from that registered | 23:51 |
| Bernd_ | GMX is a internet service provider. | 23:51 |
| @rizen | ah | 23:51 |
| Bernd_ | My recent email was sent via GMX as well :-) | 23:51 |
| Bernd_ | Do you think it would be ok to send a message to these users advertising the German forum? | 23:52 |
| @rizen | ah, didn't actually look at your address | 23:52 |
| @rizen | yeah, i'll get you a list of email addresses | 23:52 |
| Bernd_ | Wouldn't it be better if I sent you the message text? | 23:53 |
| Bernd_ | Privacy and so on... | 23:53 |
| Bernd_ | I have had a look at the brochure. | 23:53 |
| Bernd_ | I should be able to translate within an hour or two. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: translation.cgi still points to tinymce2! | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we'll fix that post haste with the YUI chnage | 23:56 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: don't translate it until you know for sure that you're going to go to a conference with lots of users (don't want to see you waste work) | 23:58 |
| Bernd_ | I wouldn't have started before. | 23:58 |
| @rizen | the lowest number we can print is 250 copies..so its important | 23:58 |
| @rizen | ok | 23:58 |
| Bernd_ | I hate wasting my time as well. | 23:58 |
| Bernd_ | I can get cheap prints in Germany, too. | 23:59 |
| Bernd_ | That would save the shipping. | 23:59 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: ok, well if you can get cheap prints there then I'll just call over and pay for them | 23:59 |
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| Bernd_ | Sounds good. | 00:00 |
| @rizen | as far as privacy goes, i think that's a good idea...send me some text you wish to send, and i'll send it | 00:00 |
| Bernd_ | So let me call up Klaus within the next days and write an email to the organizers of the conference in Karlsruhe. | 00:00 |
| Bernd_ | Iirc, it will take place in March already. | 00:01 |
| @rizen | Great! Thanks for all your hard work Bernd_ | 00:01 |
| Bernd_ | No problem. I have to thank you! | 00:02 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: what's do you use webgui for? | 00:02 |
| Bernd_ | Just that single web page you have seen already. | 00:02 |
| @rizen | ah | 00:03 |
| @rizen | well then double thanks for taking an interest in something you don't use for a lot of stuff =) | 00:03 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe, also our intranet page at work soon. | 00:03 |
| Bernd_ | Trying to convince the responsible person at the moment. | 00:03 |
| @rizen | if there's anything i can do to help in the convincing, let me know | 00:04 |
| @rizen | for example, i can have tavis do a webinar late at night to match your work schedule if that helps | 00:04 |
| Bernd_ | Probably not. It is more a problem of convincing him and the rest of the company that an intranet solution can be very helpful. | 00:04 |
| Bernd_ | It is not that much about webgui at the moment. | 00:05 |
| Bernd_ | People just barely change their habits. | 00:05 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9078 /tools/translationserver.cgi: Implement RFE to change number of lines in the rich editor. | 00:06 |
| Bernd_ | Still, thanks for the offer. I am going to forward it to Robert (the IT guy in charge). | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | is pointing out missing functions in a website and showing how WebGUI can do that a good idea for selling people? | 00:07 |
| Bernd_ | Probably depends on whom you are talking to. | 00:09 |
| Bernd_ | Talking to the right person is probably most important. | 00:09 |
| Bernd_ | How would you try to convince the IT guy I have mentioned before that a webgui-based intranet solution would benefit the company. | 00:10 |
| Bernd_ | I should add that we are talking about a 20 employee company only. | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) I'd sell the feature set and ease of use. | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | with wG, you get a whole enterprise class suite of tools | 00:11 |
| Bernd_ | Currently, everything is put into a normal file system having different shares. | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | In/Out board, forums, articles, photo galleris | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Users and Groups, and Commit workflows | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | people like control over their content, but there's always more work than they can do | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | with approval workflows and groups, you can farm out the easy stuff and approve/monitor it | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | 3) _You_ can change WebGUI. | 00:12 |
| Bernd_ | That is alright. But how to convince them that they need an intranet solution at all. | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 00:12 |
| Bernd_ | Fotos can be put into a folder. | 00:13 |
| Bernd_ | Files can be put into a folder. | 00:13 |
| Bernd_ | Forums are only interesting for big companies. | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 00:13 |
| Bernd_ | The wiki would be a good point. | 00:13 |
| Bernd_ | But not everyone is that open minded. | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Why do _you_ think that the company needs an intranet? | 00:14 |
| Bernd_ | In particular not the folks beyond 40. | 00:14 |
| Bernd_ | ;-) | 00:14 |
| Bernd_ | Wiki, document management (CS?), phone list (profiles), project management, photo galleries | 00:15 |
| Bernd_ | and links. | 00:15 |
| Bernd_ | The problem is that most people only seem to have a vague idea of what that means. | 00:16 |
| Bernd_ | Of course, there also customized applications that would be interesting. | 00:16 |
| Bernd_ | But it would be even more difficult to convince people to invest some money or get to work themselves. | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen has it right. You should set it up and show them. Just talking about an idea won't get very far. | 00:17 |
| @rizen | Bernd_: a good intranet usually starts with HR functions | 00:17 |
| @rizen | And almost always with forms | 00:17 |
| Bernd_ | HR? | 00:17 |
| @rizen | Every company has lots of forms to fill out | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Human resources | 00:17 |
| @rizen | Human Resources | 00:17 |
| Bernd_ | All the HR stuff has been outsourced. | 00:17 |
| @rizen | So putting all those forms in a central location | 00:17 |
| @rizen | Are you telling me you don't have forms to fill out? | 00:18 |
| Bernd_ | That is what I meant by document management. | 00:18 |
| Bernd_ | No, there are forms indeed. | 00:18 |
| @rizen | it's more than just document management though | 00:18 |
| @rizen | it's also publishing the instructions that go with the forms | 00:18 |
| Bernd_ | I was thinking about abusing the CS for managing them. | 00:18 |
| Bernd_ | Or maybe the Thingy? | 00:18 |
| Bernd_ | No, you are right. Document management is probably the most important thing. | 00:18 |
| @rizen | Another good thing to put into an intranet is a wiki for policies and procedures | 00:19 |
| @rizen | For example, Plain Black's staff handbook is published only in our wiki | 00:19 |
| Bernd_ | I see, | 00:19 |
| Bernd_ | . | 00:19 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe the webinar would be a good idea. | 00:19 |
| @rizen | That's what tells people when they'll get paid, how they have to dress, polices on equipment, vacation, maternity/paternity leave, etc | 00:19 |
| Bernd_ | I mean, plain black is about similar in size as my employer. | 00:20 |
| Bernd_ | So you should speak the same language? | 00:20 |
| @rizen | yup, we're 14 people | 00:20 |
| Bernd_ | I can ask our CEO whether she would be interested. | 00:20 |
| Bernd_ | Let me check when I am back at work. | 00:21 |
| @rizen | Another thing that we use...probably the most used thing in our intranet, is the IOB (in out board) | 00:21 |
| @rizen | it tells everybody who is on vacation, who is out to lunch, who is out sick, when they will be back, etc | 00:21 |
| Bernd_ | That is most certainly the one that would scare people. | 00:22 |
| Bernd_ | We do not record time. | 00:22 |
| @rizen | We don't record time either | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just a way to let people know where you are | 00:22 |
| Bernd_ | And most people would reject to use the in/out board | 00:22 |
| Bernd_ | I know. | 00:22 |
| @rizen | We use it so when we're looking where someone is, we know | 00:22 |
| Bernd_ | But my impression was that people rather feel to be spied on. | 00:22 |
| Bernd_ | People are strange. | 00:23 |
| @rizen | Another function that we have a lot of in our intranet are simply links. | 00:23 |
| Bernd_ | rizen, you don't have to convince me :-) | 00:23 |
| @rizen | Links to health care provider, health insurance, | 00:23 |
| @rizen | oh..i was trying to give you fodder for your company | 00:24 |
| @rizen | i wasn't trying to convince you | 00:24 |
| Bernd_ | Let me talk to the it guy again and our CEO. | 00:24 |
| Bernd_ | Maybe we can arrange that webinar. | 00:24 |
| Bernd_ | If our CEO should decide in favor of an intranet solution we are going to have one. | 00:24 |
| Bernd_ | It is as simple as that. | 00:25 |
| @rizen | you asked "How would you try to convince the IT guy I have mentioned before that a webgui-based intranet solution would benefit the company." | 00:25 |
| @rizen | cool | 00:25 |
| Bernd_ | No, no, you got me wrong. Thanks for your help! | 00:25 |
| Bernd_ | It is just that I am aware of all these advantages. | 00:25 |
| Bernd_ | We used to have an intranet solution at my previous employer. | 00:25 |
| Bernd_ | I love intranet! | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | joanie loves chachie | 00:27 |
| @rizen | Haarg loves preaction | 00:27 |
| @rizen | Bernd_ loves intranets | 00:27 |
| Bernd_ | And rizen was empty of love, iirc? | 00:28 |
| @rizen | rizen loves ra | 00:29 |
| Bernd_ | ra? | 00:29 |
| Bernd_ | Not in the nick list. | 00:29 |
| @rizen | ra is rizen's wife | 00:29 |
| Bernd_ | Ah. | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | She's a sun goddess | 00:30 |
| Bernd_ | She doesn't hang around in the chat, does he? | 00:30 |
| Bernd_ | she | 00:30 |
| @rizen | no she doesn't...sometimes she'll get on, but she uses my nick | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Not to be confused with Ray, who is a drop of golden sun | 00:30 |
| @rizen | and usually it's only to talk to BartJol | 00:30 |
| @rizen | BartJol is ra's European boyfriend | 00:31 |
| Bernd_ | Ouh, be careful! He claims to chase after virgins in his spare time. | 00:31 |
| Bernd_ | innocent virgins! | 00:31 |
| @rizen | I've got nothing to worry about. ra is far from virgin =) | 00:31 |
| Bernd_ | She should be safe then :-) | 00:31 |
| Bernd_ | Something else: what is difference between =) and :-) ? | 00:32 |
| Bernd_ | the | 00:32 |
| Bernd_ | perlDreamer, I still have more than 10 lines on i18n.webgui.org. | 00:34 |
| Bernd_ | When is the change going to be effective? | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Bernd_: the code has been committed, that's not a guarantee that it has been updated on the server. | 00:35 |
| Bernd_ | Tomorrow? | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | If you send Haarg European chocolates, it might be tomorrow | 00:35 |
| Bernd_ | Overnight express? | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sure he'd credit you | 00:36 |
| Bernd_ | Let me call up FedEx. | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | alternately, if you get 1 new german customer to get RockStar support, I'm sure rizen would do it over the weekend. | 00:36 |
| Bernd_ | Sometimes I wish my father was a millionaire. | 00:38 |
| Bernd_ | And money would no longer be important. | 00:38 |
| @rizen | updated | 00:39 |
| Bernd_ | Cool! | 00:39 |
| Bernd_ | Working indeed! | 00:39 |
| Bernd_ | I hope, I will not have to pay for the RockStar support now :-/ | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | No no no. You just have to find some person. | 00:40 |
| * Bernd_ is desperate because he does not anyone. | 00:41 | |
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| +perlDreamer | Happy Boxing Day, patspam | 00:44 |
| patspam | hey thanks colin! | 00:45 |
| patspam | it's 27th here now, but boxing day was good :) | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you know, the funny thing about javascript is that it only works inside of script tags | 00:45 |
| patspam | heh, well actually.. it also works in onlick handlers, src attributes that use the javascript: protocol, and all the other fun places that XSS hackers exploit | 00:48 |
| patspam | just reading your questions now.. | 00:49 |
| Bernd_ | I going to bed. Good night everyone! | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | son of a gun! I did it! | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: what kind of editing button do you want in this thing? | 01:13 |
| @rizen | editing button? | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | for the YUI editor for the i18n editor? | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | bold, underline, italic | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | links | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | lists, bulleted and numbered | 01:15 |
| @rizen | oh i guess the default rich editor they have | 01:16 |
| @rizen | the one with all the buttons | 01:16 |
| @rizen | this: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/editor/simple_adv_editor.html | 01:16 |
| @rizen | gotta go..ttyl | 01:17 |
| @rizen | happy kwanzaa everybody! | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, will commit in about 5 minutes or so | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | or not... | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | or stuck | 02:25 |
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| CIA-47 | WebGUI: jt * r9083 /experimental/Automat/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 03:11 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: bug fixes | 03:11 |
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| nuba | nice conference w/ live streaming http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/wiki/Streaming | 19:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | anyone up for helping me with some javascript? | 02:02 |
| SDuensin | I can try. | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm using a YUI Rich Editor | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | SimpleEditor | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | according to the instructions, you have to "save" data back out of the editor into the original text area in order | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | to get it back into the form, to post back to the server | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it recommends using the handlSubmit config option for the editor to do it automatically, but that didn't work for me | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I also tried doing the "saving" manually, but that didn't work either | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | let me paste the code | 02:06 |
| SDuensin | Do any errors occur when that event fires? | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | http://pastebin.com/mc003663 | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the JS in question is in the www_edit method | 02:08 |
| SDuensin | You have Firebug? | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I do. | 02:10 |
| SDuensin | Any warnings? | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | not that I remember. | 02:11 |
| SDuensin | I'm wondering if it's a scope issue since everything is declared inside the anonymous function. | 02:11 |
| SDuensin | (Like 'state' and 'myEditor'.) | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as _everything_ is inside the function, shouldn't that be okay? | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, those parts work fine | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is the submit button | 02:12 |
| SDuensin | Well, that's where my brain gets lost in JS land. :-) | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | defined as it is now, the submit button doesn't do anything | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | no submit | 02:12 |
| SDuensin | What if you just wire an "alert()" to it? Does that work? | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | an alert does fire | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's no form post back to the server | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | like it stopped being a submit button | 02:14 |
| SDuensin | Oooooh! Ok. Let me read that again. | 02:14 |
| SDuensin | Try adding "return true;" as the last line of the submit button's click event. | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no change | 02:18 |
| SDuensin | :-( | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | the alert still fires | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but no form submit | 02:19 |
| SDuensin | Not sure what YUI does to the button when you attach to it. Still learning YUI here. | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too ;) | 02:23 |
| SDuensin | You could give the form an id and then do something like: document.formName.submit(); | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try that | 02:25 |
| SDuensin | Er, a name, not an id. | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | attaching anything to that button causes it not to work as a submit button anymore | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | even with the button.on thing commented out | 02:25 |
| SDuensin | I'm guessing YUI changes what type of control it really is. | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that submitted, but there's nothing in the form post | 02:27 |
| SDuensin | You leave in the saveHTML call? | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | myEditor.saveHTML(); | 02:30 |
| SDuensin | Grrr. | 02:30 |
| SDuensin | Does handleSubmit:true duplicate myEditor.saveHTML() ? | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll comment it out. | 02:32 |
| SDuensin | Maybe make it false since you're taking care of the submittal? | 02:32 |
| * SDuensin is guessing. | 02:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | false is the default | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that didn't help | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, but this did | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | document.message.value = myEditor.get('element').value); | 02:37 |
| SDuensin | That alone is an error. | 02:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | it should be myEditor outside of the anonymous subroutine does not exist | 02:38 |
| SDuensin | So it is a scope issue? | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I'm just saying that trying to access myEditor outside of the anon sub would be an error | 02:39 |
| SDuensin | Oh, yea. | 02:39 |
| SDuensin | According to the docs, YUI Button supports 'submit'. | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | not only that, but if I comment out saveHTML, it still works | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's like saveHTML doesn't work | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | which seems strange | 02:41 |
| * perlDreamer wonders if his skin is think enough to ask about all this in #YUI | 02:41 | |
| SDuensin | hehe | 02:42 |
| SDuensin | Dang you, perlDreamer. That editor control has given me ideas. | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems very cool. What kind of thoughts? | 02:48 |
| SDuensin | Well, I've been moving content from Google Docs to my WebGUI based site. Be nice to open and edit DOC files instead of just pasting them as HTML into the wiki. | 02:50 |
| SDuensin | YUI needs a psychotic grid tool to implement a spreadsheet. | 02:56 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: jt * r9087 /experimental/Automat/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 03:07 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: bug fixes | 03:07 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: alias number clean up | 03:07 |
| * SDuensin really wants to build out WebGUI to do *everything*. | 03:22 | |
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| CIA-47 | WebGUI: jt * r9089 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): fixed major bug that caused deletion of domains when disabling from dns server | 04:08 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: jt * r9090 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/DomainName.pm): refine enable and disable dns methods | 04:08 |
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| +BartJol | mmm I've got a malformed text data error | 15:32 |
| +BartJol | seems coonected to JSON\ | 15:32 |
| +BartJol | upgrading from 1.1.2 to 1.1.4 didn't help | 15:32 |
| +BartJol | and my WebGUI config should be ok | 15:33 |
| +BartJol | oh, the error comes from running a utility script | 15:33 |
| +BartJol | or should I use a JSON version >2.0.7? | 15:35 |
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| danny_mk | Good day! been testing the OpenId module with the integrated RpxNow serveice and it seems to be working great so far :-) | 16:25 |
| nuba | cool | 16:25 |
| nuba | congrats! | 16:25 |
| danny_mk | thanks | 16:25 |
| danny_mk | added registration code | 16:26 |
| danny_mk | still need to be able to edit the username and openid identity but that is in the works. | 16:26 |
| +BartJol | danny_mk: you had a post in the forum about the upgrade that didn't work where the solution was to put a PerlSerVar property in a config | 16:31 |
| +BartJol | was that the modproxy or modperl config? | 16:31 |
| danny_mk | darn, you had to ask me that :-) let me see if I can find it | 16:31 |
| nuba | PerlSerVar would be in the modperl config | 16:32 |
| +BartJol | ok | 16:32 |
| +BartJol | already thought so, but maybe it should be double | 16:32 |
| danny_mk | http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/having-problems-with-one-upgrade-only/re-having-problems-with-one-upgrade-only | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | that one indeed | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | it only states apache, not which, so I was just hoping that it would give me a solution | 16:34 |
| +BartJol | well, than I have to look on why I get an error | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | ok, next problem | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/database-cache-gives-an-error/ | 16:36 |
| danny_mk | what error are you getting? | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | does anybody has an idea about that? | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | a malformed text data error | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | malformed text data., at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135 to be precise | 16:37 |
| +BartJol | it happens during the starting of a script where a session is made | 16:40 |
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| +BartJol | so it's about my configFile | 16:40 |
| SynQ | joehoe! | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | dag | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | danny_mk: do you need more testing of your openId module? | 16:43 |
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| danny_mk | sure, test away. So far it looks good, I still need to give users the capability of changing their username and OpenId identity | 16:46 |
| danny_mk | but other than that, I believe the module is pretty much done | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | great | 16:46 |
| danny_mk | I was also going to take suggestions on wether the OpenId module should allow for multiple identities to map to a singer WebGUI user | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | at the moment I still got other problems to work out, but this evening I have the time | 16:47 |
| danny_mk | On your issue, did you try using WebGUI::Cache::FileCache? | 16:47 |
| danny_mk | if it works then you can change it to Database | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | well, I set 1 site to filecache, but it still has a lot of workflows | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | +/- 200 | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | all complete, but they are not removed | 16:48 |
| danny_mk | is this on linux? | 16:49 |
| +BartJol | yeah, debian | 16:49 |
| danny_mk | any errors when using filecache? I know you get the 'cachekey' cannot be null error when using dbcache | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | well, I don't have the right resolution in my error log: I can't see which site generates the error | 16:51 |
| +BartJol | and I don't see any other errors | 16:52 |
| +BartJol | so maybe the FileCache doesn't give one | 16:52 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... most of my problems have been firewall related, shutting down iptables for a new/upgrade usually clears some problems but it is hard to troubleshoot without errors :-( | 16:54 |
| +BartJol | I know | 16:54 |
| +BartJol | it's just strange that I don't see any cachekey fields that are empty | 16:55 |
| +BartJol | so probably it just isn't called in the right way | 16:55 |
| +BartJol | or some nice configuration error | 16:55 |
| danny_mk | I have run into some weird stuff every now and then. One thing I wish we had was a JSON config file validator | 16:58 |
| danny_mk | to test the configuration file before it goes into production | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but even if the JSON is valid, sometimes there are problems with the order of entries | 16:59 |
| +BartJol | so that is not a guarantee that everything is where it should | 17:00 |
| danny_mk | right, wish I could be more helpful | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | well, that leaves me the option of going through configs entry by entry... joy | 17:02 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... I have been cutting out and pasting most of the Auth::WebGUI module, it seems that a lot of those methods are pretty common, wonder if the new Auth system will allow us to inherit most of these methods instead of rewriting them | 17:32 |
| danny_mk | rizen: got a quick question. I was thinking about taking a poll for the users of the Auth::OpenId module. Should a single webgui user be allowed to have multiple identities | 17:39 |
| @rizen | what's your question? | 17:40 |
| danny_mk | as in WebGUI user danny_mk have identities such as (me.yahoo.com/danny_mk, me.myspace.com/danny_mk, me.facebook.com/danny_mk) | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | WebGUI: the schizofrenic CMS solution! | 17:40 |
| @rizen | is the question, "should a single..." or is the question "should i do a poll" | 17:40 |
| @rizen | i don't see why we should allow multiple identities | 17:41 |
| danny_mk | The way it is right now is a one to one match | 17:41 |
| @rizen | but it seems reasonable that the user should be able to change which identity they are using | 17:41 |
| danny_mk | right | 17:42 |
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| @rizen | so if they start out with yahoo they can change to myspace later | 17:42 |
| danny_mk | or add it so that they can loging from yahoo or myspace | 17:42 |
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| @rizen | no that's what i'm saying | 17:43 |
| @rizen | they shouldn't be able to log in from either | 17:44 |
| @rizen | they should be able to update their account info, but onlyhave one | 17:44 |
| danny_mk | really? | 17:44 |
| @rizen | yes really | 17:44 |
| danny_mk | I was thinking it would be a good idea | 17:44 |
| @rizen | why? | 17:44 |
| danny_mk | I like the flexibility | 17:45 |
| danny_mk | reason? can't think of a specific instance other than having a unavailable provider | 17:45 |
| @rizen | then do it. it's your module. | 17:45 |
| danny_mk | for example, the govt allows yahoo logins but not myspace of facebook logins | 17:46 |
| @rizen | i don't know that i'll do the same when it comes time to rewrite auth | 17:46 |
| danny_mk | How about I make it configurable (configuration file option OpenId->allowMultipleIdentities)? | 17:47 |
| danny_mk | with a default of false | 17:47 |
| @rizen | i'm not trying to rain on your parade, i just really don't care. it's about 6 months before i even start designing the new auth system. so until i know more about that, commenting on this seems out of scope | 17:49 |
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| danny_mk | OK, it is cool, I will move on | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I tracked down the problem with the YUI rich editor. It has to do with building the form inside of a table. I'm trying to find a fix/solution/workaround for it now. | 17:51 |
| @rizen | you could just get rid of the table | 17:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I was looking into the fieldset tag. But if WebGUI switches to YUI RTE, it's going to make a lot of templates unhappy. | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the template group will fix that problem | 17:59 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: you think too much | 18:03 |
| @rizen | solve the problem in front of you rather than all the worlds problems | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | who will solve them if I don't? ;) | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix bugs and hack on it later | 18:05 |
| @rizen | hope i didn't hurt danny_mk's feelings | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | ah, I thought you had some resolutions for new year to be as sweet as a rabbit | 18:08 |
| @rizen | no | 18:10 |
| @rizen | just to not be destructive | 18:10 |
| @rizen | i was just being honest that i didn't care one way or the other. | 18:10 |
| @rizen | maybe he wanted me to care | 18:11 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, but that kind of statements sometimes work better when one has met you in real life | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | but whatever... | 18:18 |
| * deafferret expects gentle hand holding for free at all times on all IRC channels | 18:19 | |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:20 |
| @rizen | deafferret: what if i'm not capable of either "gentle" or "hand holding"? | 18:41 |
| deafferret | a pox on your clan | 18:42 |
| @rizen | perhaps it is better to simply ignore people's queries, as it seems that whether i help them or not i piss them off | 18:42 |
| deafferret | oh? I would think anything is better than nothing. :) | 18:43 |
| deafferret | If someone else wants to engage with more patient kid gloves, their free to do so. | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Warnock's dilemma sucks | 18:43 |
| deafferret | Good wikipedia article, that | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: The unix philosophy is to be strict in what you emit, and liberal in what you accept. In other words, people need to be thick skinned. What you're doing is fine. | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | joohoo, my first utility script worked! | 18:52 |
| @rizen | here's an even better philosophy. keep making great stuff that people want, and maybe they'll forgive me some of my personal faults =) | 18:53 |
| @rizen | congrats BartJol | 18:53 |
| @rizen | what does it do? | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | it takes all your porducts and than searchesd for an image with a name, smilar to the varSku | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | and add's the storageId to the iamge1 property of the product | 18:54 |
| +BartJol | if it wasn't so rancid and single purpose build I would even dare to show it to other people | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | but you would be scared with all the horrible coding | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | it does save a lot of time clicking in WebGUI | 18:56 |
| @rizen | sounds quite useful | 18:59 |
| @rizen | just one comment | 18:59 |
| @rizen | is it attaching an existing storage id, or is it copying a storage location and attaching that to the product? | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | it's a storageId field from a FileAsset asset | 19:00 |
| @rizen | if the later than all is well with the world | 19:00 |
| @rizen | ah | 19:00 |
| @rizen | ok down the road you're likely to have some big problems | 19:00 |
| @rizen | for example, if someone edits or deletes the revisions of or the image asset itself | 19:00 |
| @rizen | then the storage location will go away | 19:00 |
| @rizen | even though it's still attached to the product | 19:00 |
| @rizen | i'm guessing you don't want that behavior | 19:00 |
| +BartJol | no I don't | 19:01 |
| @rizen | my suggestion would be to make a copy of the storage location and attach that to the product | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | ah, a dedicated image for the product? | 19:02 |
| @rizen | yup | 19:02 |
| @rizen | there will then be two copies of the image on your site | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | when I started, I hoped that I could also attach an assetId | 19:02 |
| @rizen | one attached to the image asset, and one attached to the product | 19:02 |
| @rizen | but at least you don't worry about deletion | 19:02 |
| @rizen | if you want to share the image, then you should be using straight <img> tags | 19:03 |
| @rizen | or AssetProxy or FileUrl macros | 19:03 |
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| +BartJol | I can add that in the image1 field? | 19:03 |
| @rizen | no, into the description field | 19:03 |
| @rizen | like so | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | ah | 19:04 |
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| @rizen | $product->update({description => $product->get('description') . '^AssetProxy(' . $image->get('url') . ');' }); | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | well I'll dive into that later, maybe I can clear up my coding and make it more flexible | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | sounds like a nice evening programming session | 19:07 |
| @rizen | just throwing out some ideas to save you pain later. hope it helped. | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | thanks | 19:07 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9091 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 19:19 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Fixed a bug where the Interval Form would not work well with non-English languages. | 19:19 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Fixed display of the Interval Form field in Thingy and User Profile by adding a getValueAsHtml method. | 19:19 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9092 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backporting Form/Interval i18n and display fixes | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | is this the correct new definition for GUID's in MySQL? varchar(22) character set utf8 collate utf8_bin | 19:24 |
| @rizen | no | 19:28 |
| @rizen | char(22) instead of varchar(22) | 19:28 |
| @rizen | but the the other stuff looks correct | 19:28 |
| @rizen | graham is going to put something in the upgrades to convert all varchar(22) into char(22) | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, thanks! | 19:29 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9093 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 19:49 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Make the Redeem Subscription code template user selectable in the Subscription Asset. | 19:49 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Add Help, i18n for that template. | 19:49 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9094 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Backporting Subscription Redeem Code template fix. | 19:49 |
| topsub | I got a question, I have a product and i have added to the variant a upload form. but everytime you edit the variant it looses the file that has been uploaded. How do i make that stay? | 20:11 |
| topsub | Do i need to populate a hidden form field? | 20:11 |
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| danny_mk | does anyone know when cap10morgan usually come online? I think it is usually after 6pm EST? | 20:35 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm here :) | 20:36 |
| deafferret | sure, but when do you USUALLY come online? :) | 20:36 |
| danny_mk | Hey, have you been keeping up with the OpenId stuff? | 20:37 |
| +cap10morgan | haha | 20:37 |
| +cap10morgan | not too much, no | 20:37 |
| +cap10morgan | had to move on to other projects | 20:37 |
| +cap10morgan | are the perl libraries finally catching up? | 20:37 |
| danny_mk | do you have a few min? | 20:37 |
| +cap10morgan | yep | 20:37 |
| danny_mk | OK, go to http://openid.dbash.com and click on "If you would like to try it out sign in here! Sign In" | 20:38 |
| danny_mk | it just takes a minute | 20:38 |
| @rizen | topsub are you saying you've made a custom product sku or that you're experiencing this with the built in product sku? | 20:40 |
| @rizen | if it's the later please report a bug | 20:41 |
| @rizen | if it's the former, then you have one of two problesm | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | default product does not let you put files into a variant | 20:41 |
| @rizen | k, that answers that | 20:41 |
| @rizen | or does it | 20:41 |
| @rizen | is he talking about the files attached to the product falling off when he adds a variant | 20:42 |
| @rizen | guess we'll wait for him to answer | 20:42 |
| @rizen | for now, i gotta go run some errands, bbl | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | later, rizenator | 20:42 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: sorry if i offended you before, was just trying to state that i am not really thinking about auth right now, not that i don't care about it at all. | 20:43 |
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| danny_mk | you have not offended me at all, I know how you are :-) | 20:43 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 20:43 |
| @rizenisout | but i'm trying to be better than i am | 20:43 |
| @rizenisout | =) | 20:43 |
| danny_mk | I met you in Chicago quite a few years ago | 20:44 |
| danny_mk | and you were pretty pissed at some people there | 20:44 |
| danny_mk | because they did not understand the topic of your presentation | 20:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd__: You working with the Gallery lately? | 20:45 |
| bernd__ | You mean translating? | 20:45 |
| bernd__ | Or working? | 20:45 |
| bernd__ | perlDreamer? | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | If you're reporting template bugs, I would guess working | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps both? | 20:46 |
| bernd__ | I was only trying to finish the translation and discovered that some i18n was missing. | 20:47 |
| bernd__ | The strange thing is that many definitions were already in the language modules. | 20:47 |
| bernd__ | It seems like templates had been fixed before. | 20:48 |
| bernd__ | But somehow default templates were not updated. | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be hard to tell one way or the other. | 20:48 |
| bernd__ | But why are you asking? Problems with the bug report? | 20:48 |
| bernd__ | Something missing? | 20:48 |
| bernd__ | Or should I have prepared a package instead? | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I'm impressed by the amount of detail | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | in the bug report | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes the work a ton easier | 20:50 |
| bernd__ | I am glad you like it. It took me quite some time to document it. | 20:50 |
| bernd__ | But next time I am going to prepare a package immediately. | 20:51 |
| bernd__ | That will be even better. | 20:51 |
| bernd__ | The only problem I have is that I cannot add definitions to the language modules. | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | why not? :) | 20:51 |
| bernd__ | That is I am not allowed to. | 20:51 |
| bernd__ | But I could prepare a patch instead? | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | patches and packages together would do the job | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 20:51 |
| topsub | rizen, i made a custom product and i added varients to whats there and one is a file upload that is removed / deleted when you make changes to the varients without reuploading the file | 20:51 |
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| bernd__ | I think my next job will be to fully internationalize the calender. | 20:52 |
| bernd__ | There seems to be some i18n in templates missing, too. | 20:52 |
| bernd__ | perlDreamer, btw, did you send me the karma for the Xmas patch? | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I did | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | guilty as charged | 20:52 |
| bernd__ | I was joking about the karma bonus, you know?! | 20:53 |
| bernd__ | I think if anyone deserves karma for fixing bugs it is you. | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, but the patch made fixing the bug quite easy | 20:53 |
| bernd__ | That was the idea :-) | 20:53 |
| bernd__ | I still have a question concerning that bug. | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 20:54 |
| bernd__ | Why are interval names being translated at all? | 20:54 |
| bernd__ | The function in DateTime, isn't that only used internally? | 20:54 |
| bernd__ | If that is the case, translating interval names does not make sense at all- | 20:55 |
| bernd__ | I would only translate in functions that generate output displayed to the user. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it's used all over the place | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | unfortunately, I caused that bug | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | when I internationalized the duration names that it returned | 20:55 |
| bernd__ | But is that function being used to generate any output displayed to users? | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Inside the wiki, and the Asset Edit screen | 20:56 |
| bernd__ | I see. | 20:56 |
| bernd__ | Still, I think it would be better to have translation done in those assets then. | 20:56 |
| bernd__ | Otherwise such problems may pop up again and again. | 20:57 |
| bernd__ | The problem is that unless you are using i18n it will stay unnoticed. | 20:57 |
| bernd__ | And the Non-English speaking community is still small. | 20:57 |
| bernd__ | What do you think? | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I used ack to find all the places that it is used | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and the Form/Interval is the only place where the bug will occur | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | since it uses the units as part of a hash | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | in all other places, it is only used to display the interval to the user | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | which is fine | 20:58 |
| bernd__ | Ok. | 20:58 |
| bernd__ | So nothing to worry about. | 20:58 |
| bernd__ | Thanks for applying the patch! | 20:59 |
| bernd__ | And don't break my installation again :-P | 20:59 |
| +BartJol | in perlDreamer's case, breaking is called testing | 20:59 |
| * perlDreamer salutes. Yes sir! | 21:00 | |
| bernd__ | Ah, you have a supporter! | 21:00 |
| bernd__ | Maybe the caching bug is also due to testing? | 21:00 |
| +BartJol | probably | 21:01 |
| bernd__ | So what are you waiting for? Switch to hacking mode and get it done :-) | 21:01 |
| bernd__ | That would be your second greatest hack to the core then. | 21:01 |
| bernd__ | But enough bugs, let us talk about another bug... | 21:02 |
| +BartJol | well, since the Dutch translation isn't at 100% it will be the best | 21:02 |
| bernd__ | Does anyone have experience with coolMenus used with Opera? | 21:02 |
| * deafferret wonders what the greatest hack was | 21:02 | |
| bernd__ | deafferet, I think was mentioned in BartJol's feature on webgui.org | 21:03 |
| bernd__ | But what about coolMenus in Opera? | 21:03 |
| bernd__ | I have a alignment problem. | 21:03 |
| +BartJol | deafferret: keeping the Dutch translation closest to 100% | 21:04 |
| bernd__ | The menu does not center as supposed. Works fine in Firefox. | 21:04 |
| +BartJol | except english that is | 21:04 |
| bernd__ | Anyone seen and solved that before. | 21:04 |
| +cap10morgan | danny_mk: sorry, juggling 12 things. i'm looking at that page, i swear :) | 21:04 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I don't use Opera that much | 21:04 |
| bernd__ | Me neither. | 21:04 |
| bernd__ | But I think that some of users do. | 21:05 |
| bernd__ | So it should work. | 21:05 |
| +BartJol | strange, I don't have it installed | 21:05 |
| bernd__ | Hm, never mind. I already have an idea of how to fix it. | 21:06 |
| +BartJol | installing | 21:06 |
| +BartJol | oh | 21:06 |
| bernd__ | Really? You rock, BartJol! | 21:07 |
| +BartJol | sure, more browsers can't harm | 21:07 |
| +BartJol | do you have an example? | 21:08 |
| bernd__ | Nope, it is still not public. | 21:08 |
| +BartJol | ah | 21:08 |
| bernd__ | But I can produce one in a few minutes. | 21:08 |
| danny_mk | LOL, ok | 21:08 |
| bernd__ | Wait a moment. | 21:08 |
| +BartJol | ok, I'll just translate a bit | 21:10 |
| bernd__ | BarJol, check out http://www.klettern-md.de/test | 21:11 |
| bernd__ | Sorry, BartJol! | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, there's a whole mountain of i18n coming out with 7.6.8 | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | just to warn you | 21:13 |
| +BartJol | ah | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I went through all 247 templates and added/fixed i18n | 21:14 |
| +BartJol | well, it keeps me of the streets and out the bars, hope they don't go bankrupt | 21:14 |
| bernd__ | Holy shit. Stop doing that, perlDreamer! | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I went through 236 templates. bernd__ did the 11 gallery templates | 21:14 |
| bernd__ | Or we will never finish the German translation! | 21:14 |
| bernd__ | Which just means that my contribution is negligible. | 21:15 |
| bernd__ | It is all to blame on you! | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I just want to keep you guys gainfully employed | 21:15 |
| bernd__ | Thanks for being concerned. | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd__: you'll just have to step up a notch, and start fixing bugs, writing code, and helping users | 21:16 |
| bernd__ | I am going to cancel all my appointments for next week. | 21:16 |
| bernd__ | notch? | 21:16 |
| bernd__ | I have to look up that word. | 21:16 |
| bernd__ | Ah, now I understand. | 21:16 |
| bernd__ | Maybe I shit quit my job, leave my wife and abandon my kid. | 21:17 |
| bernd__ | Then I would have enough time for all of that. | 21:17 |
| bernd__ | Do you really want me to do that? | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 21:17 |
| bernd__ | Good. Me neither. | 21:17 |
| * deafferret shit quits | 21:17 | |
| bernd__ | Oh, my wife is calling. | 21:17 |
| bernd__ | I have to leave :-) | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | good priorities :) | 21:18 |
| bernd__ | See you tomorrow. Maybe. Have a good night! | 21:18 |
| deafferret | bernd__: you can drop your kid off here in NE, USA. No questions asked. :) | 21:18 |
| bernd__ | I am going to think about it. | 21:18 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9095 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.37-7.5.38.pl: Fix a poorly merged upgrade script. | 21:18 |
| deafferret | < 18 that is | 21:18 |
| bernd__ | Bye everyone! | 21:18 |
| +BartJol | ok, well the opera thingy will have to come later | 21:19 |
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| +BartJol | deafferret: what do you do with children? | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | In Nebraska, it is legal to abandon children below the age of 18 | 21:22 |
| deafferret | indeed. | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you can drop them off at certain places | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | for a refund | 21:22 |
| deafferret | hospitals, etc. | 21:22 |
| deafferret | refund? oooo | 21:22 |
| deafferret | hadn't heard about the cash back option | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's like bottle refund in Oregon | 21:23 |
| deafferret | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_haven_law | 21:23 |
| +BartJol | mmm, strange, you might expect that you had to pay for it | 21:23 |
| deafferret | oh, nevermind. you missed your chance. The law was changed in November 2008, allowing infants up to thirty-days old to be abandoned. Thirty-six children were dropped off in Nebraska hospitals in a four month span. None were infants. | 21:24 |
| +BartJol | ah, and I don't have children | 21:24 |
| +BartJol | US kids only? | 21:25 |
| deafferret | don't think so. If you can get 'em here, my tax dollars will raise them to 18. | 21:25 |
| deafferret | I'm a saint. | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret, in this channel use of WebGUI is a prerequisite for sainthood | 21:27 |
| deafferret | I use it peripherally... | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | pony up 1 webgui site, or be declared apostate | 21:27 |
| deafferret | https://biodev.ist.unomaha.edu/ | 21:28 |
| deafferret | not production | 21:28 |
| deafferret | what about my prostate? | 21:28 |
| +BartJol | you should be fine now | 21:30 |
| +BartJol | otherwise the WebGUI voodoo people would have spoken a curse over it | 21:31 |
| * deafferret stops his self-exams | 21:31 | |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret, very good (on the site) | 21:32 |
| deafferret | oh, thanks. But I deserve none of the credit for that (yet) | 21:36 |
| deafferret | Last week I spend some time trying to get a generic WObject going for these Integration Candidates: http://clab.ist.unomaha.edu/CLAB/index.php/BioCMS but we pretty much failed | 21:36 |
| deafferret | and the ~guru isn't around this week | 21:37 |
| deafferret | s/spend/spent/ | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | You're free to ask questions in channel | 21:39 |
| deafferret | like "how come I suck at this?" laugh | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and, if you're going to be doing a lot of development work, the WebGUI Developers Manual is indispensible | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | It's genetic? | 21:39 |
| deafferret | Ya, I'm newb++++++++ The guy I'm working with seems to know some things, so hopefully we can muddle through ti | 21:40 |
| deafferret | tr/it/it/ | 21:40 |
| deafferret | damn :) | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | s/ti/it/ | 21:40 |
| +BartJol | hey, I still feel like a newb when it comes to programming | 21:46 |
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| +BartJol | now we have to stop telling bad jokes about rizen... | 21:50 |
| @rizen | no, now you need to START telling bad jokes | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | how many rizens does it take to screw in a PHP server? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | this rizen goes into a bar... | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | two rizens go duck hunting | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | this is starting to sound like that John Malkovich movie | 21:53 |
| +BartJol | eeh it's yellow and you can step on it | 21:53 |
| +BartJol | a little chick | 21:53 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: did we actually meet, or did you just attend one of the lectures? | 22:03 |
| danny_mk | We met, you may not remember, it was a long time ago | 22:04 |
| danny_mk | it was in Chicago at a Perl Conference | 22:04 |
| @rizen | i'm sorry, i don't. that was my first YAPC ever, and my head was sort of spinning | 22:04 |
| @rizen | in truth, it was my first time speaking at a big conference. | 22:05 |
| @rizen | prior to that i've only given talks at user groups | 22:05 |
| danny_mk | your good, don't worry | 22:05 |
| danny_mk | you did good that day and you fielded questions properly | 22:05 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: translation * r9096 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (6 files): Update from translation server | 22:06 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: translation * r9097 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_StockData.pm Asset_TimeTracking.pm WebGUI.pm): Update from translation server | 22:06 |
| danny_mk | I am able to sell WebGUI a lot easier now that I have integrated OpenId into the authentication | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | is it really that big of a selling point to your customers? | 22:07 |
| danny_mk | yes | 22:07 |
| @rizen | i can imagine so | 22:08 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: i consider it a high priority to webgui, but since i have only a limited amount of time, i'd rather not put it into the core until auth is rewritten | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | makes sense. If we're just going to have to rewrite it in 6 months | 22:09 |
| @rizen | danny_mk, do you run a webgui related business? | 22:09 |
| @rizen | with any luck it will be in the core (beta version) by the WUC this year | 22:10 |
| @rizen | well technically next year since it's not quite 2009 yet | 22:11 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:11 |
| danny_mk | NO, I just sneak it in as the content management system and wean the users on to it slowly | 22:11 |
| @rizen | heh, that's cool too | 22:11 |
| * rizen does the dance of joy as 2 servers are fully up on automat | 22:15 | |
| @rizen | now only another 50 to go | 22:15 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | ++automat | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | there does not appear to be a way to i18n a file upload control | 22:20 |
| +BartJol | well make it in Dutch | 22:21 |
| @rizen | is it because there's something hardcoded? | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's supplied by the browser itself | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Browse... | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that button | 22:22 |
| @rizen | ah | 22:24 |
| @rizen | yeah, tell those damn dutchmen to start using translated browsers | 22:24 |
| * perlDreamer takes a lunch break | 22:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/uploader/ | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ??? | 22:25 |
| @rizen | have i ever mentioned that ssh is the coolest thing ever invented | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, that uses Flash | 22:25 |
| @rizen | that doesn't mean anything | 22:25 |
| @rizen | as long as it can degrade | 22:26 |
| +BartJol | rizen: it is sometimes hard to install an English browser, so no problem there | 22:27 |
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| elnino | I'd like to revisit installing tomcat with webgui, since that is on 8080, do I just use mod_proxy rules to redirect the traffic as necessary? or is there a way that they can live happily together on port 80? | 22:32 |
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| danny_mk | elnino: I would use the urlHandlers and WebGUI::URL::PassThru in the webGui config file | 22:35 |
| danny_mk | as well as ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse in the apache config file | 22:36 |
| elnino | would that mask the fact that it's on a different port? | 22:37 |
| danny_mk | yes | 22:37 |
| elnino | cool! and I don't need mod_jk? | 22:37 |
| danny_mk | nope, I tried using mod_jk and it was a pain compared to proxypass | 22:38 |
| elnino | yes, it is, That's why I'm "revisiting it" I couldn't get mod_jk to work for the life of me. Had to give it a rest. | 22:38 |
| elnino | Thanks for your tips! I'll look into this | 22:39 |
| danny_mk | you are welcome | 22:39 |
| danny_mk | have to run, my boss is getting suspicious :-) | 22:39 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9098 /WebGUI/ (24 files in 5 dirs): Fixed missing Gallery i18n, and some Dashboard i18n. | 22:39 |
| danny_mk | later... | 22:39 |
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| @rizen | deafferret: how big is omaha PM these days? | 22:43 |
| @rizen | how many people show up to the meetings? | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: ping | 23:00 |
| +BartJol | uin | 23:00 |
| +BartJol | what's up? | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | do you translate RSS into Dutch? | 23:00 |
| +BartJol | eeeh | 23:01 |
| +BartJol | well, as far as it'd i18n-d | 23:01 |
| +BartJol | isn't that the syndicated content asset? | 23:02 |
| +BartJol | there's i18n fro that | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | there is, but I was thinking that as an acronym that it might just stay RSS | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | like CGI, HTML | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and so on | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | currently, in the Dutch translations, it says RSS | 23:03 |
| +BartJol | ah, no I don't translate that | 23:03 |
| +BartJol | RSS is acceptable | 23:03 |
| +BartJol | in nDutch | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd better make an RSS entry, for Russian and other non-latin languages | 23:06 |
| +BartJol | yeah, it probably will be best | 23:07 |
| +BartJol | not sure whether other languages have a good alternative | 23:07 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9099 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Fix Gallery template errors and i18n. | 23:34 |
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| daviddelikat | does WebGUI or YUI have some API for scheduling an event for after the page has loaded? | 23:48 |
| daviddelikat | I've been trying to find something to call a function after everything else is done so that it can | 23:48 |
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| daviddelikat | see the whole form rather than just the part that comes before the current input object. | 23:49 |
| elnino | hello opensource friends! - has anyone used iipimage? (iipimage.sourceforge.net) or can someone recommend something else? | 23:51 |
| danny_mk | daviddelikat: I have not used it, however I have been looking for a similar solution. Interesting... | 23:54 |
| danny_mk | sorry, I meant alnino | 23:54 |
| danny_mk | elnino | 23:54 |
| elnino | welcome back. =) | 23:55 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9100 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (24 files in 5 dirs): Backporting gallery i18n and template fixes | 23:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: are opera browser issues bugs or RFEs? | 00:15 |
| @rizen | opera isn't a supported browser for admin stuff | 00:15 |
| @rizen | but generally speaking it should work for all end-user stuff | 00:16 |
| @rizen | so if it's an end user thing | 00:16 |
| @rizen | then it's a bug | 00:16 |
| @rizen | eventually we'll be supporting opera for admin stuff too. it mostly works now. just hasn't been thouroughly tested | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | so this sounds like an RFE then: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9324 | 00:17 |
| @rizen | they don't mention opera | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | his next bug does, I'm probalby making an incorrect assumption | 00:18 |
| @rizen | verify that it works outside of opera, and verify that he's using opera | 00:19 |
| @rizen | then you'll know | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay. | 00:19 |
| * perlDreamer goes for a run to clear his head | 00:20 | |
| elnino | danny_mk - I opened a private dialog window so we don't have to bother the webgui people. Are there other programs that you came across in your search for image software? | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, I think you missed :) | 00:20 |
| deafferret | perlDreamer: stop reading elnino's private /msg's! :) | 00:20 |
| elnino | I put it here because he didn't answer there. =) | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | wh00ps | 00:20 |
| deafferret | tsk tsk | 00:20 |
| elnino | and there he is. Thanks! | 00:21 |
| * perlDreamer goes for a run so that elnino doesn't whack him with a stick | 00:21 | |
| elnino | I have to go find a stick underneath 14" of snow? No thank you. | 00:21 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9101 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:22 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Display a message to the user indicating that email activation of their | 00:22 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: account has worked correctly. | 00:22 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9102 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting email authentication message on account activation. | 00:22 |
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| SynQ | hey pat! | 01:00 |
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| daviddelikat | anybody know anything about 'editArea' the rich text editor used for templates? | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | only that it has big fonts | 01:44 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: is that the main draw to this tool? | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I dearly hope not. | 01:57 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: I don't think it can handle tabbed documents | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the idea was that it was a notch up from a textArea | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no tabs? | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | why do you say that, daviddelikat? | 01:58 |
| daviddelikat | it is hard to tell, but when it initializes them one of them does not have the correct size information. | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | do you mean that it cannot be on a page with tabs, or that it cannot contain tabs? | 01:58 |
| daviddelikat | on a page with tabs | 01:59 |
| daviddelikat | see bug 9245 | 02:00 |
| daviddelikat | I've been bashing my head against this for a week now and I thought I had it | 02:00 |
| daviddelikat | licked but it still is not behaving | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I looked at that bug but wasn't ever able to duplicate it | 02:01 |
| daviddelikat | it is very consistant on firefox 3 | 02:02 |
| daviddelikat | I can only get a good render if i play with the page and refresh a couple of times,. | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I use, 3.0.5 on Linux | 02:02 |
| daviddelikat | and then only the one on the first tab, never the one on the second | 02:02 |
| daviddelikat | im on M$ XP | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | anything useful from Firebug? | 02:03 |
| daviddelikat | no messages, but I can find places where data is missing | 02:03 |
| daviddelikat | takes a while to track it down, but it is clearly not getting all the parameters for the control | 02:04 |
| daviddelikat | I can send you an image if that would help | 02:04 |
| daviddelikat | also a path into the HTML | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Just like the stuff that tabitha posted to the bug? | 02:05 |
| daviddelikat | i meant a picture of the data, in firebug | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but my JS-fu is very, very weak | 02:07 |
| daviddelikat | actually this looks like html, but it is dynamic, firebug shows what the browser is currently rendering rather than the servers response to the 'get' | 02:09 |
| daviddelikat | it really is not very useful, I was just offering to show what I see. | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | phone call, brb | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | back | 02:13 |
| daviddelikat | so heres the path: html/body/wrapper/application_workarea/form/formContents/yui-skin-sam/webguiTabForm/yui-content/tab4/table/tbody/_formId_row/tableData/frame_extraHeadTags_formId/html/body/editor | 02:16 |
| daviddelikat | I know its confusing, but if you follow that in the HTML tab on firebug, you will see the spot where the data is missing when it is broken | 02:17 |
| daviddelikat | of course this assumes thaty you are looking at the same thing I am more or less. | 02:17 |
| daviddelikat | should be the same for any template edit | 02:18 |
| daviddelikat | I'm looking at one from wiki-edit | 02:18 |
| daviddelikat | clear as mud? | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | slightly clearer | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I was noticing that editArea has a debug option that you can set | 02:20 |
| daviddelikat | there is another possible issue.... in the middle of that mess i posted is a piece called _formId_row | 02:20 |
| daviddelikat | it is supposed to have another name appended on there | 02:20 |
| daviddelikat | that could also be the problem | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it is supposed to be template_formId_row, or extraHeadTags_formId_row | 02:25 |
| daviddelikat | I tried to track that down too... | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm getting this error from Firebug: ncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDOMNSHTMLTextAreaElement.setSelectionRange]" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: http://mywebgui.localdomain/webgui7/style3/hierarchical-top-nav?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets :: anonymous :: line 28" data: no] | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that's after a resize command | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but I have no scroll bars, and I'm missing two lines of data. | 02:27 |
| daviddelikat | I think that is related but I can't find where it comes from | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a new version available, but according to the log file it's only about licensing. | 02:30 |
| daviddelikat | I tried the new version, no change | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | so, in firebug, do you see that two of the rows in tab 4 have the same id? | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | the first one is the extraHeadTags one, and the second one is farther down below. | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | like, namespace or something | 02:36 |
| daviddelikat | yes, I thought that could be the cause, but it does not happen in all cases | 02:36 |
| daviddelikat | if you look at a non-template item which has only the extraHeadTags field, you get the same behaviour | 02:37 |
| daviddelikat | but don't have the extra bad name... | 02:37 |
| daviddelikat | you can see what it is supposed to look like by going to the properties page and clicking off the toggle editor check box and then do a refresh. for some reason it renders propperly this time. | 02:39 |
| daviddelikat | well, sometimes | 02:39 |
| daviddelikat | I can't get it to work now... | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you ever heard of code smell? | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | all those little intangibles that tell you that something isn't well? | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | this thing reeks | 02:43 |
| daviddelikat | I think I've grown acustomed to the smell. been in some pretty bad code some days... | 02:43 |
| daviddelikat | so, I'm thinking about throwing int he towel on this bug, | 02:48 |
| daviddelikat | I think it might go deeper than any WebGUI code | 02:49 |
| daviddelikat | I thought about pretty printing the editarea code and debugging it, but that seems beyond the | 02:49 |
| daviddelikat | scope of the project. | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | editarea/edit_area/edit_area.js is already pretty printed | 02:50 |
| daviddelikat | I did contact the author (twice) for help, but his contact page is in Italian(I think) so I'm not sure he really paid any attention/understood my message. | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I was guessing french | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | how about posting a bug to SF? | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat | SF? | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | sourceforge | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | he has a bug tracker there | 02:52 |
| daviddelikat | no never occurred to me | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | there are no similar bugs, from what I can see | 02:52 |
| daviddelikat | yeah, I did do a search | 02:52 |
| daviddelikat | I think I'll try to isolate the code to a smalletr file so I can post a useful item. | 02:53 |
| daviddelikat | gonna have to be after dinner... | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | is there really no way to run a Workflow? | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I see how to run cron jobs, but there's no way to just run a workflow. | 03:06 |
| deafferret | So I have users and groups. But I need a group hierarchy. I don't see any way a user can own a group so I can set up a hierarchy....? | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | deafferret, groups can be parents/children of other groups | 03:59 |
| +perlDreamer | in the Admin Console, Group screen, choose a group to edit | 03:59 |
| +perlDreamer | on the left, you'll see manage the users in this grup | 04:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and manage the groups in this group | 04:00 |
| deafferret | perlDreamer: cool... yes... I think that's what we're slowly muddling through this evening... :) | 04:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the WebGUI Primer might cover topics like that. You can download a copy from webgui.org, in the Bazaar I believe | 04:01 |
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| CIA-47 | WebGUI: yung * r9103 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (5 files in 5 dirs): rfe: Welcome message template (#9353) | 04:20 |
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| CIA-47 | WebGUI: yung * r9104 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/upgrades/rfe-9353.sql: rfe: Welcome message template (#9353) | 06:36 |
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| danny_mk | Good day, is there a way to validate a JSON configuration file before WebGUI uses it? | 17:06 |
| +BartJol | danny_mk: I think you can find tools for that by googling for it | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | I found one | 17:08 |
| danny_mk | right, but I was thinking more on a new WebGUI installation | 17:08 |
| danny_mk | I was getting an error this morning while I was configuring WebGUI at work and the problem was a missing coma in the configuration file | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | most of the time it is... | 17:09 |
| danny_mk | the error in the log was: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /opt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm | 17:09 |
| +BartJol | yeah it doesn't deem to relate directly | 17:09 |
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| danny_mk | well, the fact that the config object get method could not be called was good enough of a clue for me to know that the problem was there | 17:10 |
| danny_mk | not sure a new user/admin would pick that up right away | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | mostly not, I had some problems like that in the past | 17:11 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone. | 17:42 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: upgrade to the latest Config::JSON | 17:42 |
| @rizen | it has better error messages | 17:42 |
| @rizen | not sure that it will give you exactly what you want | 17:42 |
| @rizen | but it's at least better | 17:42 |
| SquOnk | Happy $HOLIDAY and everything that gets said at this time of the year. | 17:42 |
| danny_mk | I am not worried about me, I found the problem, I am more worried about the guy that comes after me and does not see obvious errors | 17:43 |
| @rizen | happy kwanza SquOnk | 17:43 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... maybe that is a good thing :-) | 17:43 |
| SquOnk | Heh | 17:43 |
| SquOnk | I have an issue with www/extras/ukplayer/AC_RunActiveContent.js | 17:44 |
| SquOnk | It has a copyright notice, but no license. | 17:44 |
| SquOnk | I figured out it's a verbatim copy of parts of the Adobe Flash Detection Kit, but I could not find licensing information for it either. | 17:44 |
| SquOnk | Maybe someone at UK figured it out? | 17:44 |
| @rizen | there's nobody from UK on the list | 17:47 |
| @rizen | i'll email them and cc you on that email | 17:47 |
| +BartJol | rizen, is the 1.3 json::config ready to use? | 17:50 |
| SquOnk | rizen: ok | 17:51 |
| @rizen | yup BartJol | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | good good | 17:51 |
| @rizen | it's compatible with webgui 7.5 and above | 17:52 |
| @rizen | and wre 0.8.3 and above | 17:52 |
| +BartJol | well, I should be ok then with 0.8.5 wre and 7.6.7 WebGUI | 17:52 |
| @rizen | indeed | 17:52 |
| +BartJol | does it also need the latest JSON? | 17:53 |
| @rizen | having the latest JSON and JSON::XS will make it faster, but not required | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | 2.0 or higher I see, sorry I can read documentation, so I shouldn't bother you | 17:54 |
| @rizen | it's got a coolio new feature: includes | 17:55 |
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| +BartJol | happy new year everybody and see you in 2009 | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, rizen: are we releasing today, or are y'all still on hiatus? | 18:29 |
| @rizen | no releases this week | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | fresh laptops for all my men, and free hacking for all! | 18:30 |
| @rizen | how many men do you have? | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | well, including myself, 1 | 18:31 |
| @rizen | btw, you should watch Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog. The chick in it looks like Mrs. Kuskie | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and I just got a new laptop, so probably shouldn't buy another one | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and WebGUI is GPL, so you can hack it for free anyway | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | crap | 18:32 |
| @rizen | so your demands have all been met | 18:32 |
| @rizen | BACK TO WORK SLAVE | 18:32 |
| * perlDreamer sighs tiredly | 18:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | yes sir | 18:32 |
| @rizen | and i resent that "y'all still on hiatus" thing | 18:33 |
| @rizen | i'm clearly here working | 18:33 |
| @rizen | answering your questions | 18:33 |
| @rizen | meeting your demands | 18:33 |
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| @rizen | =) | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | how _is_ Automat these days? | 18:33 |
| @rizen | 4 servers live and breathe automat | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | did you ever install any of those server config automation packages we talked about? | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and I have some new demands that need to be met | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I just commited daviddelikat's fix for the wiki tabs. it would be nice to have that up on webgui.org | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | this is probably easier: http://www.webgui.org/uploads/73/11/7311c87e38cda819a1e014fe827dcd8c/default-wiki-page.wgpkg | 18:41 |
| @rizen | did not install the server config automation packages we talked about because it turned out that the actual server config part was the easy part. the user facing web interface was the hard part | 18:42 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I mean the server config automation packages for _you_ to use for doing multiple installs and config upgrades on multiple machines. Not new plugins for automat functionality into existing things, like webmin. | 18:44 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9105 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added CSS file needed to make wiki tabs work. | 18:49 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9106 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting Wiki tab CSS fix. | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | time to leave my other remote office and go to the gym, be back in about an hour or so | 18:49 |
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| CIA-47 | WebGUI: yung * r9107 /branch/WebGUI_flux/rfe-9353-root_import_auth_default-webgui-welcome-message-template.wgpkg: added fixed version of rfe-9353 template package | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey SquOnk | 20:37 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: yung * r9108 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (5 files in 5 dirs): rfe: Account Activation template (#9354) | 20:38 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hey there | 20:43 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Are you going to fix the ldaps:// thing in 7.5.x? :-) | 20:43 |
| * SquOnk guesses not, but hey, what's the harm in asking? | 20:44 | |
| * perlDreamer goes to read backlogs to be reminded about the ldaps:// thing | 20:44 | |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: webgui _accepts_ ldaps:// URIs but does not handle them right (7.5) | 20:45 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Net::LDAP is "magical" when proper URIs are given to it, so you only need to give 'ldap://bleh:389' or 'ldaps://foo' and it does the right thing. | 20:46 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: In the _second_ example, Net::LDAP will check /etc/ldap/ldap.conf for all the SSL needs. There's no need to add that logic into WebGUI. | 20:47 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The current LDAP code uses port => explicitly and that breaks Net::LDAP magic somewhat. | 20:47 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The code in 7.6 is better (LDAPLink.pm + Auth/LDAP.pm) | 20:48 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: LDAPLink handles generic LDAP connections using Net::LDAP magic | 20:48 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...so Auth/LDAP just needs to ask por an LDAPLink to sort things out. | 20:48 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: To make it clearer... | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I'm following you. | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Check connectToLDAP() in LDAPLink.pm for 7.6 | 20:49 |
| SquOnk | ...you'll see that the Net::LDAP->new() uses host, port and scheme _explicitly_ | 20:50 |
| SquOnk | ...and that breaks Net::LDAP magic. | 20:50 |
| SquOnk | This is _much_ better than what's currently in 7.5, because connectToLDAP() can be used from Auth/LDAP to establish the connection. In 7.5, Auth/LDAP does a Net::LDAP->new() | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | with 7.5 locked down so hard, why not fix it in 7.6? | 20:53 |
| SquOnk | The database stores an URI, e.g. 'ldaps://my.server:636/dc=foo,dc=com' | 20:53 |
| SquOnk | The magic would happen by calling Net::LDAP->new( 'ldaps://my.server:636/' ) | 20:54 |
| SquOnk | That simple. | 20:54 |
| SquOnk | The LDAPLink object new() could deconstruct the URI to construct the server URI and have it as an attribute. | 20:55 |
| SquOnk | That's because LDAP can only give you scheme (ldaps), host (my.server) and port (636) and dn (dc=foo,dc=com) | 20:56 |
| topsub | I added a file upload to a product variant, when you edit the variant if you don't reupload the file it deletes it. How can i have the variant maintain the file? | 20:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I can wait for 7.6 :-) | 20:56 |
| topsub | wg 7.5 btw | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, is that "can" or "cannot"? | 20:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: "can" in the sense that given an URI, Net::LDAP can give you those pieces only, so if you get a long URI (with DN) you need to deconstruct and construct | 20:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Bottom line is, if you give Net::LDAP an URI that _has_ a scheme, (ldaps://foo), it will do the right thing SSL-wise :-) | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: but if you break it into parts and give it explicit scheme, server and port it will not | 20:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'm yet to test 7.6 and I think it could work as it is now. | 20:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: That used to be the case with Net::LDAP, yes. If you N::L->new( host => , port => , scheme => ) then it's not magical. | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, if there were automated tests showing that it worked, then I'd say that fixing 7.5 is a possibility. But rizen has the final word on that. | 21:01 |
| @rizen | who dares disturb my slumber | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it is i, again. | 21:03 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Never mind fixing it in 7.5 | 21:04 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It's not a showstopper. | 21:04 |
| * deafferret backs out of the cave slowly | 21:04 | |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: LDAP without SSL is fine for lots of people :-) | 21:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI: Have you spawned any processes yet? | 21:41 |
| -!- WebGUI is now known as SynQ | 21:47 | |
| SynQ | spawned? | 21:47 |
| SynQ | not really :) | 21:47 |
| SynQ | but the belly is HUGE! | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | have her swallow some books or toys, I'm sure the baby is bored in there | 21:48 |
| SynQ | the baby is kicking | 21:48 |
| SynQ | perhaps she should swallow a football | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the american ones are easier to swallow. They're oval | 21:48 |
| SynQ | I know | 21:49 |
| SynQ | but probably also harder to get out | 21:49 |
| deafferret | A woman? On the Internet? Really? | 21:50 |
| * deafferret gawks | 21:50 | |
| SynQ | You don't have to be a woman to spawn processes | 21:51 |
| deafferret | sure you do. Women spawn. Men kill -9. | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret, apparently you are not too familiar with ports and sockets. Women only spawn processes in response to a packet transmission. | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | then they call fork | 21:52 |
| SynQ | I unicast mostly | 21:53 |
| SynQ | but there are also men that multicast | 21:53 |
| deafferret | o/` Every packet is sacred, every packet is good. Every packet is needed in your neighborhood o/` | 21:53 |
| SynQ | hehe | 21:53 |
| SynQ | ok | 21:53 |
| SynQ | time to get crackin on WebGUI :) | 21:54 |
| * deafferret pings localhost | 21:54 | |
| deafferret | what's that? sounds groovy | 21:54 |
| SynQ | what's what? | 21:54 |
| deafferret | "WebGUI" j/k | 21:54 |
| SynQ | http://www.webgui.org | 21:55 |
| SynQ | RTFW | 21:55 |
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| deafferret | joke FAIL | 21:55 |
| elnino | hi! does the latest version of webgui have paypal support for the store? or is that 7.6? | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7 | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | or higher | 21:56 |
| elnino | 7.7!?!?!? I thought it was coming in January? | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it still only comes with ITransact and Cash plugins | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | well, let me say it this way. It's not in 7.6 now (today) | 21:57 |
| elnino | * walks away sad. | 21:57 |
| elnino | and without a stick. | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | if you had a stick, you could threaten me to write the plugin | 21:58 |
| elnino | I know! | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it may be on its way, elnino, but you'd have to ask one of the PB crew | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and since they're all slacking off this week... | 21:58 |
| deafferret | elnino: Do you have cash with which to buy a stick? | 21:59 |
| elnino | I have karma. is there an rfe? | 21:59 |
| deafferret | I don't know about karma. Rumor has it that money can be exchanged for goods and services. | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | karma can be used to buy goods and services on PB.com | 22:01 |
| elnino | another question. Is there a way to limit bandwidth usage on a per site basis in a wre installation? | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I saw a question like that in the forms last week, maybe a few weeks ago. | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it was here in the channel/ | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 22:03 |
| elnino | I'm working my self thru the forum. knowmad had a question about burstble bandwidth and throttling a large file... I'll keep looking. | 22:04 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: yung * r9109 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: rfe 9355: Password Recovery email subject | 22:10 |
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| SynQ | ah | 22:12 |
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| elnino | anyone recommend a good free web stress tool? | 22:42 |
| SynQ | elnino: slasdot.org | 22:47 |
| * SDuensin laughs | 22:49 | |
| * SDuensin growls at the new account system | 22:54 | |
| +perlDreamer | what's wrong with the new account system, SDuensin? | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | is it bustified, or just frustrating? | 22:57 |
| SDuensin | Kinda both. I just reopened your ticket #9147. | 22:58 |
| SDuensin | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9147 | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5 script | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but... | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's possible that I committed that while Haarg was doing the upgrade, which means that new webgui sites would not have that in their create.sql file | 23:03 |
| * SDuensin is fixing his sites | 23:04 | |
| SDuensin | Found that while trying to change my account templates to rid myself of that horrible blue and orange. :-) | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, man | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I see it | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I created the correct new entries, but then deleted them, instead of the old ones | 23:07 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 23:07 |
| * SDuensin highly recommends nice grays for the account system default colors. | 23:07 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: After how many years of programming does one stop making stupid mistakes like that? | 23:08 |
| SDuensin | 29 for me, and I still do it. :-/ | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but you wrote in Java :P | 23:09 |
| SDuensin | Only for a couple years. :-P | 23:09 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody ever implement any kind of "wish list" along side the WebGUI shopping system? | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | well, maybe knowmad has | 23:34 |
| SynQ | wish list? | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | they've done a lot of customizations to the Shop | 23:34 |
| SynQ | ask martin | 23:34 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: nope, i think i make more dumb mistakes now than ever. or perhaps it's just that i'm wiser, so now I know I'm making them. =) | 23:40 |
| * SDuensin votes for the second option. | 23:40 | |
| +perlDreamer | so, ignorance is bliss | 23:41 |
| SynQ | which figures since I am completely ignorant | 23:42 |
| SDuensin | You're blissful then? Lucky bastard. | 23:43 |
| SynQ | I am | 23:49 |
| SDuensin | I only reach that state with copious amounts of alcohol. :-( | 23:49 |
| daviddelikat | so how does one jump into this sort of discussion? | 23:55 |
| daviddelikat | ----- | 23:55 |
| daviddelikat | I'm looking at Syndated Content | 23:55 |
| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9375 | 23:56 |
| daviddelikat | and I tried it on my dev WebGUI but there is something missing from my system. | 23:56 |
| daviddelikat | on the admin menu on the right the syndicated content item has no text, just an icon | 23:57 |
| daviddelikat | then when I go to add it all it says at the top is 'add', the same when I try to edit | 23:57 |
| daviddelikat | and the URL list field is missing | 23:57 |
| daviddelikat | is this likely to be a template thing? or a perl module? | 23:58 |
| daviddelikat | I just did 'svn update' and a restart and nothing changed... | 23:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, the Latest News asset that comes with the default WebGUI install is good enough to see the error. | 00:00 |
| daviddelikat | I looked at it and it didn't give any info, I had the same trouble editting it, then I deleted it | 00:01 |
| daviddelikat | I figured it was not what I was looking for. | 00:02 |
| daviddelikat | because there was nothing in the list. | 00:02 |
| daviddelikat | I think there is a problem with my install. | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | must be | 00:02 |
| daviddelikat | is it likely to be fixable of shoulf I just scratch the whole thing? | 00:03 |
| SDuensin | Anyone have an idea to *safely* accept an Email address from a single-field form and stuff it into a database without writing custom code? I can do it with a couple macros, but it's just asking for a SQL injection attack. | 00:04 |
| daviddelikat | SDuensin: isn't there a SQL cleanup function standard in DBI? | 00:06 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but to pass it in one of the SQLExt macros scares me. Macros are funny about quotes and commas. | 00:06 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: my WebGUI is available here: http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, how about using the Form/Email.pm? | 00:07 |
| SDuensin | Wazzat? | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I'm neck deep in a really sticky shared memory problem with upgrades. I'm not going to be able to do much help with details for a while. | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, use the source :) | 00:08 |
| SDuensin | All I need to do is collect Email addresses via a "Join Our Mailing List: [ ] (Submit)" form. (That I've recommended against.) | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | use Form/Email.pm, for sure then | 00:09 |
| * SDuensin is reading code. | 00:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | but I guess that's writing custom code | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | how about... the DataForm? | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | or Thingy | 00:10 |
| SDuensin | I'll look into 'em. | 00:11 |
| SDuensin | Looks like I can make the DataForm do what I need. Thanks. Dunno why I didn't think of that. | 00:22 |
| * SDuensin must need more dead tree knowledge to remind his brain of such things. | 00:22 | |
| +perlDreamer | that's why they pay me the big bucks ;) | 00:22 |
| SDuensin | I'll put the DataForm itself on another page with no menus leading to it. Then I'll put my own <form> where I need it and just post to the right place. | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | is the DataForm template not flexible enough for what you need? | 00:24 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but I'm not sure how best to get it added to my page. It has to be laid over a graphic with evil CSS. | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | I'm getting there with CSS, but some things still hurt my head. | 00:26 |
| * SDuensin thinks he might go <table>-mad on this page. Those make sense. :-) | 00:27 | |
| +perlDreamer | This is absolutely evil | 00:42 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a cache of WebGUI config files kept in memory | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | each one is a Class::InsideOut object | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | except that the objects are destroyed at the end | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | so the cache is invalidated | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure how, but the the objects are still alive, but pointing to an original set of data | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | this is messing up all multi version upgrades | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and another funny thing is, since the objects are cached in memory, they shouldn't every be destroyed | 00:46 |
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| dionak | hey guys...quick question on templates. should forms be generated by code? i'm looking at the search form. i ask b/c we can't assign classes to buttons if they are generated by code. | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, there's no hard and fast rule for doing that. While reviewing the 247 templates for i18n I saw hand generated forms, and code generated forms. | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | best practices are not well defined for that | 01:05 |
| dionak | i think the more html that can be removed from code, the better. | 01:05 |
| dionak | is it a general rule that forms have the hidden value 1 for doit? | 01:06 |
| dionak | seems that way | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | seems to be that way for search functions | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so that the first time, you get an empty box | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of a message that there's no results | 01:07 |
| dionak | for i18n, i'd like to add a couple of values for search. what's the best way of getting that done? | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | do you mean for the label search, or something else? | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | "search"? | 01:08 |
| dionak | here's an example: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1f567716 | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Create a module with custom namespace. | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Use the international macro to call stuff out of it | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | ^International(search results,PrivateNamespace); | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | if this is for a core function (and goes back into the core), skip #1 and just add it to the right module | 01:11 |
| dionak | got it. thanks. :) | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a test to check for International macro typos, t/i18n/template.t | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | I figured out the memory thing. It's due to fork | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the script forks off a process to run the upgrade in | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the session is modified in that forked | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | when the child is reaped, the original copy of the object is reinstalled for the next upgrade script down the line | 01:40 |
| daviddelikat | so I figured out the Syndicated COntent was failing because I was missing XML::FeedPP | 01:45 |
| daviddelikat | after a successfull install my whole site is down... | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, what does the testEnvironment.pl script say? | 01:46 |
| daviddelikat | I am missing another module but otherwise OK | 01:48 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: dionak * r9110 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Search.pm: Adding informational text for search results | 01:49 |
| daviddelikat | an optional module at that... | 01:49 |
| dionak | does the modperl error log report anything? | 01:50 |
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| daviddelikat | here is the modperl error log http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3a4b340c | 02:03 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9111 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.7-7.6.8.pl): Really fix the database misspellings in the Account template settings. | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: those are all warnings from the WRE that can be ignored | 02:28 |
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| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9112 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:43 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: Fix sbin/upgrade.pl so that it handles forking upgrade scripts without | 02:43 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: overwriting the config file changes in earlier upgrade scripts. | 02:43 |
| CIA-47 | WebGUI: colin * r9113 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: Fix chdir problems, now that the config file cache is cleared. | 03:09 |
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| daviddelikat | is it possible to easily reset WebGUI so that it will reinitialize the default site? | 03:24 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: is it possible to reset WebGUI so that it will reinitialize the default site? | 03:31 |
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| patspam | how can i forcefully remove broken workflow instances from spectre's queue? | 03:37 |
| patspam | clearning WorkflowInstance in the db doesn't seem to be enough | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, let me paste you a script | 04:03 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: thanks | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3244e763 | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | there is also a very, very nice script in the tools directory in SVN | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but I haven't started using it yet | 04:05 |
| * perlDreamer has been slacking | 04:05 | |
| daviddelikat | do know what the mysql password is? | 04:09 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: mysql password? | 04:09 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, what did you set it to? | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be in your webgui.conf file if you forget | 04:10 |
| daviddelikat | I don't recall setting it | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in there | 04:10 |
| daviddelikat | ok | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | look for dbpass | 04:10 |
| daviddelikat | well, I found it, but it doesn't work... | 04:13 |
| daviddelikat | I love the blue maintenance sign... | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | are you working from SVN? | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: are you working from SVN? | 04:16 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: I have the latest from SVN, yes | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | update again, and try to run the resetdev script again | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | there was a small bug with the upgrade fix I originally made | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, do you know how to use Firebug to edit CSS live? | 04:24 |
| daviddelikat | I've done a bit, yes | 04:24 |
| daviddelikat | where did the resetdev script go? or do you mean the copy i already hav | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the copy you already have | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | do a svn up | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | then rerun the script | 04:25 |
| daviddelikat | is that the same as update? I just did that | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | up is short for upate | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | update | 04:27 |
| daviddelikat | ok, I'm getting tar messages about files changed as they are read | 04:27 |
| daviddelikat | and chown can't do apache:users because it does not exist | 04:27 |
| daviddelikat | the password doesn't work and | 04:28 |
| daviddelikat | Set the isHidden bit in all Photos so your navigations do not blow up... Can't use string ("isHidden") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../../lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 754, <DATA> line 112. | 04:28 |
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| daviddelikat | if you don't have tiome for this right now that is OK, I was getting ready to quit for the night anyway... | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | catch you tomorrow? | 04:30 |
| daviddelikat | I'll be kinda late, putting in a long day at my ~other job~ | 04:30 |
| daviddelikat | thanks for your help | 04:30 |
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| CIA-37 | WebGUI: colin * r9114 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.7-7.6.8.pl: fix a typo in the Photo isHidden subroutine | 07:34 |
| CIA-37 | WebGUI: colin * r9115 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 08:00 |
| CIA-37 | WebGUI: Legend and fieldset tags do not seem to obey CSS width limits. Add a paragraph | 08:00 |
| CIA-37 | WebGUI: tag around the photo title to limit the width to 230px (250 - 2*10) for the | 08:00 |
| CIA-37 | WebGUI: limit of the surrounding div. | 08:00 |
| CIA-37 | WebGUI: colin * r9116 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Backport Gallery CSS legend/fieldset width fix. | 08:00 |
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| carogray | hi - can anyone point me to a website that explains DNS management for dummies? | 16:19 |
| carogray | we are trying to point a domain to our server on PlainBlack and I am afraid I don't have enough information to do anything without bringing down all the email etc. | 16:20 |
| nuba | carogray: are you using any webbased interface for that or just editin plaintext zone files in BIND? | 16:26 |
| nuba | okay, i gotta split, but if youre working on bind, then basically you need to add the record you want, increment the file's serial and send a HUP signal to the named process | 16:35 |
| nuba | otherwise, most domain registrars like godaddy and such give you DNS management with a webbased interface | 16:35 |
| nuba | everyone have a great New Year's Eve! | 16:36 |
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| danny_mk | Good day, hmmm... new years eve few people here :-) | 17:04 |
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| SDuensin | Hello danny_mk | 17:07 |
| SDuensin | Greetings all. | 17:07 |
| danny_mk | Hi | 17:07 |
| danny_mk | How can I contact fathertorque, can I send him a message through the WebGUI website? | 17:16 |
| * SDuensin doesn't know who that is. | 17:18 | |
| danny_mk | The originator of this rfe: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/openid | 17:22 |
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| SDuensin | Whoa. All my product variants have duplicated themselves. Odd. | 17:58 |
| * SDuensin wonders if he did that, or WebGUI did that? | 17:58 | |
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| SDuensin | Morning perlDreamer | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Good morning, SDuensin! | 17:59 |
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| bernd_ | Hey perlDreamer! | 18:02 |
| bernd_ | I have been waiting for you to appear! | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I am here, bernd_. | 18:02 |
| bernd_ | Are you going to stay for a while? | 18:03 |
| bernd_ | I have to finish my Quiche first. | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, half an hour or so | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | then I need to break fast and eat | 18:04 |
| * bernd_ is cooking in the kitchen. | 18:04 | |
| bernd_ | Ok, then let us do this now. | 18:04 |
| SDuensin | Quiche? Man. I just grabbed some cookies. | 18:04 |
| bernd_ | You should come to our brunch tomorrow morning then. | 18:04 |
| bernd_ | We are in Weil am Rhein, currently. | 18:04 |
| bernd_ | That is close to Basel (Switzerland). | 18:04 |
| SDuensin | Unless you're in St. Louis, I think I'm out of luck. | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | If I left *right now* I still wouldn't make it! | 18:05 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, one more minute. | 18:05 |
| bernd_ | We need to change dipers first. | 18:05 |
| bernd_ | That is those of our daughter :-) | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | Hey, you can be kinky if you want. No judgement here. :-P | 18:05 |
| SDuensin | Anybody mess with the store much? My variant drop-down is fine, but under it in the edit section, it lists each of them twice. | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, you mean AABBCC or ABC? | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | ABCABC | 18:07 |
| SDuensin | ABCABC | 18:07 |
| * SDuensin is finding the template to check it now | 18:08 | |
| +perlDreamer | can you shoot me a URL? | 18:09 |
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| SDuensin | ut.jaegertech.net | 18:09 |
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| SDuensin | Sign in, I'll admin you. | 18:09 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, may I switch to priv channel? | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | sure. | 18:10 |
| SDuensin | There are two variant_loops, but the second one is empty. It shouldn't produce any output. (And I didn't modify that part of the template.) | 18:11 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Access bumped. Behave. :-) | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Mwa ha ha ha! | 18:13 |
| SDuensin | This site is going to be the death of me. | 18:13 |
| SDuensin | Here's the page I'm on: http://ut.jaegertech.net/products/rings | 18:13 |
| SDuensin | Ignore the invalid asset URL messages. They're expected in this view. | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, brb | 18:15 |
| SDuensin | brh | 18:15 |
| SDuensin | I edited the template and removed the empty loop. No dice. | 18:20 |
| bernd_ | Good night, everyone! | 18:24 |
| bernd_ | And a Happy New Year! | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, do you have an area of the site that's private? | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to look at your db. | 18:24 |
| SDuensin | Create new pages under /admin/ with Admin only rights. That's my testing/breaking ground. | 18:25 |
| SDuensin | I think the DB is OK. The actual drop-down lists are fine. | 18:25 |
| SDuensin | I gotta run. Back in a couple hours. | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, no SQL report | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try to duplicate this on a 7.6 site | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: in case you backlog | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I made a product and added two variants | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I only get two variants listed in the variants loop | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | so either I'm not duplicating something in your setup, or there's custom code involved. | 18:32 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9117 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 19:04 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Fix a problem where an unviewable initial asset would throw off the indent_loop | 19:04 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: size by 1. In the nav templates, this would generate bad closing markup. | 19:04 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: yung * r9118 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: fixed macro processing in welcome mail | 19:33 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9119 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm: Finish backporting Navigation fix. | 20:27 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9120 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/Shell.pm: make it silent | 20:58 |
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| carogray1 | any PlainBlack Support people on today? | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | carogray1: http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/and-miles-to-go-before-i-sleep | 21:38 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9121 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/Shell.pm: rolling back, it didn't work | 21:47 |
| carogray1 | oh - perldreamer - didn't see that. Thanks. | 22:11 |
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| elnino | is there a "asset import" like there is for "userimport"? | 22:30 |
| elnino | I have a bunch of assets that I'd like to add to the system but they are in an external database. | 22:31 |
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| elnino | happy new year haarg, quick question, is there a "asset import" like there is for "user import"? I have aa bunch of assets that I would like to add to my site but they are in an external database. | 22:44 |
| @Haarg | there is a file import script, and you can import packages | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | what kind of assets are you dealing with? | 22:46 |
| elnino | no, it's not from a webgui database, I'm creating my own assets and automagically creating the initial set of assets from existing data from a sql server | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, still sounds like a package | 22:47 |
| elnino | how do i create a package when they aren't coming from a webgui system? | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | you mean you're taking data from an external database and using that to populate a set of assets? | 22:48 |
| elnino | yes. well stated. =) | 22:48 |
| elnino | well, no. the data are going to be assets. | 22:48 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - From before (I just got home)... My duplicate Variants have the same variant ID. Seems like a display problem. Like the variant_loop has two copies in it. Digging in code now. | 22:49 |
| elnino | I'm takeing a table and setting up a query to output the fields that I would need if I could import directly into the asset table in webgui. | 22:49 |
| elnino | oh. I have no idea how to explain this. | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, things like title, url, description, etc? | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | ownerUserId, groupEditId, and so on? | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | things like the revisionDate would not be good to pull from an external database | 22:50 |
| elnino | nope. like parentid, lineage, state, classname, createiondate, etc... | 22:50 |
| elnino | from the asset table. | 22:50 |
| elnino | I can also generate the appropriate assetData data too. | 22:51 |
| elnino | if needed. | 22:51 |
| elnino | but I would need webgui to create the assetid. | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I've never heard of a script like that. The closest thing is the create user pages on account creation Workflow on the Bazaar. | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | just be careful, because people always get bit creating assets outside of the API. | 22:52 |
| elnino | ok. I'm talking about 27000 assets that need to be imported. so any leads would be great. | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 27000? | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | are you doing a site migration or something? | 22:55 |
| elnino | yeah.. I thought it was 65000. | 22:55 |
| elnino | no this is my crazy idea of using webgui as a framework to create an "erp type thing for lack of better word" system | 22:56 |
| elnino | ok. easy question really. Can I setup a store using just cash? or do I have to have a itransact account or other custom payment module? I think someone said cash was an availalbe payment module.... | 22:57 |
| SDuensin | Cash is. It just doesn't work for subscriptions. I think. | 22:57 |
| elnino | ok. good. | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it is. In 7.6 there's also a POS system built in | 22:59 |
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| danny_mk | Well, I made the official WebGUI supports OpenId at the site http://wiki.openid.net/Website_Software | 23:04 |
| elnino | when is 7.6 going to be stable? | 23:05 |
| danny_mk | hopefully it will give the module some attention | 23:05 |
| elnino | and give some attention to webgui as well. | 23:05 |
| danny_mk | WebGUI is considered by most of us as a Web Application Framework instead of a CMS system right? | 23:06 |
| elnino | I''m just starting to see webgui in that way (as a framework) | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, hopefully next month | 23:10 |
| elnino | k | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI is both a framework and a CMS. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | which is actually pretty cool | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | who wants to write Yet Another User and Group system | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or Form manager | 23:11 |
| danny_mk | NOT ME! | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: Bless you! May the hair on your toes never curl. | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | all, I need to head off for a while. In case I don't get back in channel, may you all have a Happy New Year! | 23:15 |
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| danny_mk | you too. | 23:16 |
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| elnino | so.. just need to bounce ideas.. The reason why I want to import 27000 into webgui, is because I want to take advanage of the lineage, and the user interface to move things around (hence change parentid and lineage). So if I import my 27000 recs into the assettable, do I need to also import into assetData, assetRevision, assetHistory (and whatever other asset* ables there are?) or can I get by with importing into the one table. | 23:40 |
| SDuensin | Seems to me you're going to at least need the assetData to get the rest of the values in there. | 23:42 |
| elnino | ok. | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | Manually create something and see what happens. | 23:45 |
| elnino | yep, that's my next step. | 23:47 |
| SDuensin | Man, I can't find my double variant sku thing. This is weird. | 23:47 |
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| SDuensin | wb Haarg | 23:53 |
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