WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-12.log

--- Log opened Mon Dec 01 00:00:11 2008
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8723 /experimental/wgfs/ (lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t):	00:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: better stat() mode calculation	00:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: bug fixes	00:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: changed root to root_path and added root_path() method to be consistent with other Filesys::Virtual drivers	00:34
* SDuensin dreams of the day he can directly open templates with Coda.		00:38
@rizen	will never happen	00:38
SDuensin	Says you. :-P	00:38
* rizen put an exclusion for Coda right in the driver		00:38
SDuensin	See, that's the problem with open sores. Any fool can edit it.	00:38
@rizen	you assume you can read my unintelligible code	00:39
SDuensin	Done it before. :-P	00:39
SDuensin	Is there a way to not use the quantity field in a product?	00:41
BartJol	maybe there's a default value for it	00:44
BartJol	maybe I've seen that	00:45
SDuensin	But my products have no quantity available. They're produced on-demand.	00:46
BartJol	no, that it WebGUI think with that vaule, the supply is endless or on demand	00:48
@rizen	SD you need to set it to 99999999	00:51
@rizen	it requires a quantity	00:51
BartJol	cd..	00:53
@rizen	ahah!	00:57
@rizen	or ah ha	00:57
@rizen	or ah hah!	00:57
@rizen	but not uh huh?	00:57
BartJol	? are you going insane? please do not	00:58
BartJol	I had the wrong window	00:59
* SDuensin will set it and edit it out of the display template.		00:59
BartJol	goodnight	01:01
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@rizen	booyah grandma!	01:05
@rizen	eureka	01:05
@rizen	pay dirt	01:05
SDuensin	Yes?	01:06
@rizen	we have working webdav	01:06
@rizen	i may just have to take the rest of my life off	01:07
SDuensin	YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!	01:07
SDuensin	If I had time, I'd drive up there and kiss you.	01:07
@rizen	if you did, i'd smack you over the head with a hatchet	01:08
CIA-41	WebGUI: yung * r8724 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5.pl: fixing a Matrix v2 upgrade bug	01:08
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8725 /experimental/wgfs/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	01:08
CIA-41	WebGUI: bug fixes	01:08
CIA-41	WebGUI: we have working webdav - wahoo!!!	01:08
SDuensin	So what's the DAV stuff do so far?	01:10
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@rizen	oh, only everything	01:14
@rizen	you can edit assets	01:14
@rizen	if you download an asset that is not a subclass of WebGUI::Asset::File	01:14
@rizen	then it gives you a json blob	01:14
SDuensin	Blob me, baby./	01:15
@rizen	if it's a binary file you can simply download and upload and it creates assets	01:15
SDuensin	You may be my new hero.	01:16
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@rizen	hardly, this is only step 1 of a lot of steps, before it's ready for any kind of real purpose	01:17
SDuensin	Yea, but it's getting there.	01:18
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8726 /experimental/wgfs/lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm: made the json blob pretty	03:12
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CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8727 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merged yung-thingy-rfe	04:38
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patspam	pluggable user profile looks really sweet	06:27
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2!	06:54
+perlDreamer	You're up late tonight	06:54
+perlDreamer	well, at least your IRC client is	06:55
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8728 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: remove some old merge leftovers	08:59
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8729 /WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original:	08:59
CIA-41	WebGUI: Made log.conf.original comment consistent with what log4perl configuration	08:59
CIA-41	WebGUI: actually does (WARNings are not captured).	08:59
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CIA-41	WebGUI: yung * r8730 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): fixed UserList	12:57
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SDuensin	Morning!	16:43
BartJol	morning	16:44
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Guest54306	Hey, I'm not sure if I did this question before but I don't still have any answer so I ask you anyway	17:02
BartJol	ok	17:02
Guest54306	Anyone has worked with perl (or WebGUI) and auth memcookie?	17:03
BartJol	not me	17:03
Guest54306	:(	17:03
Guest54306	I really need this	17:03
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* SDuensin smacks preaction with anything other than a large trout		17:36
* rizen reminds SDuensin that preaction often wears the troutshield of protection, so he would have been immune to the trout had SDuensin used it		17:37
SDuensin	See? I out-thunk him!	17:37
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SDuensin	Satan created CSS.	17:47
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SDuensin	Did I dream there was a macro to display an image at an arbitrary size? Or am I having a flashback to 5.x?	18:02
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+perlDreamer	BartJol, welcome to PBWG	18:12
+perlDreamer	Still weird seeing you with hair, though	18:12
BartJol	thanks	18:12
BartJol	well, I cut it yesterday	18:13
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SDuensin	preaction lives!	18:16
@preaction	explains to me why updating Safari requires a full restart of OS X?	18:17
SDuensin	Yea! I wanna know too!	18:17
@preaction	also, SDuensin do you have an e-mail address?	18:17
SDuensin	Or updating the frickin' RAW filters.	18:17
SDuensin	Email? What's that?	18:17
@preaction	exactly	18:17
SDuensin	Work addy: scott@jaegertech.com	18:18
@preaction	hm. that was the one i sent to. anyway	18:18
SDuensin	Who was it from? I'll whitelist the address.	18:19
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin, can you please pastebin me some of the text that's causing the Product to error out?	19:16
SDuensin	Sure. I'll find exactly what killed it. Gimmie a sec.	19:16
+perlDreamer	I've tried pasting in stuff from OpenOffice, but no luck trying to recreate	19:16
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@rizen	preaction: for the same reason IE requires the same thing...apple stupidly integrated the browser into the OS	19:18
@preaction	but there's no way to reload just, for example, the window manager that is using those frameworks?	19:18
@preaction	i mean, kernel-level reboot should be only necessary for kernel changes	19:19
SDuensin	perlDreamer - http://webgui.pastebin.com/m436f596f - It's the quote after the 16 that kills it.	19:19
+perlDreamer	cool! Thanks. Now I can try to get it down to a specific test, or an upgrade of JSON.pm in the core	19:19
@rizen	preaction, but "it's just easier" to restart everything to to restart individual processes	19:20
@rizen	=)	19:20
@preaction	yeah, that's not a slippery slope or anything...	19:20
@preaction	"it's just easier to not check if a file was successfully copied before we delete it"	19:21
SDuensin	perlDreamer - YW	19:21
@rizen	preaction: it's just easier to kill your enemies than it is to negotiate with them	19:22
SDuensin	perlDreamer - FYI, it came from a DOC file that I loaded into TextEdit and pasted into FF.	19:22
Lisette	how to do to redirect to other page from a payDriver?	19:25
+perlDreamer	Lisette, look into WebGUI::Session::Http.pm	19:29
Lisette	thanks	19:32
Lisette	i'm going to see	19:32
+perlDreamer	particularly, the ->redirect method	19:33
Lisette	in any place there is an example?	19:33
@preaction	there are lots of places, but there is also documentation	19:34
@preaction	do a grep for "setRedirect"	19:34
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8731 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	19:43
CIA-41	WebGUI: Update POD for several methods.	19:43
CIA-41	WebGUI: Make getObject clone data for safety and update tests.	19:43
CIA-41	WebGUI: Make newObject always alter $address for consistency and update tests.	19:43
Lisette	and with this setRedirect i can send params?	20:10
@preaction	you can send a query string, yes. not POST params though	20:11
Lisette	i need with method post	20:12
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@preaction	why do the latest webgui has a "lastUpdated" field when there is already a revisionDate field?	20:31
SDuensin	So you know when you last updated the latest revision? :-P	20:31
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@Haarg	sometimes there are updates without new revisions	20:34
Bernd__	Hey everyone,	20:37
Bernd__	how is business going?	20:37
+perlDreamer	still hacking	20:38
Bernd__	Surprise, surprise :-)	20:39
Bernd__	Question: How can I post those "*" remarks to the chat?	20:39
Bernd__	I have seen them very often and want to be able to post them, too.	20:40
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@preaction	Bernd__: you mean "/me does something" ?	20:45
* preaction does something		20:45
+perlDreamer	Bernd__: you say slash me	20:45
+perlDreamer	preaction does a whole lot of things, really	20:46
* Bernd__ is having a cup of tea and enjoying the chat		20:46
+perlDreamer	including teaching perlDreamer javascript	20:46
Bernd__	Can I join the lesson?	20:46
Bernd__	I very much like that Ajax stuff.	20:46
Bernd__	Is that all implemented by using YUI	20:47
Bernd__	?	20:47
@preaction	yes	20:47
Bernd__	Difficult to learn?	20:47
@preaction	not really	20:47
@preaction	if you already know some JS it should be fine	20:47
Bernd__	Hm, I just have too little time for all the interesting stuff in the world :-(	20:47
Bernd__	Maybe I should start working as hard as rizen?	20:47
Bernd__	preaction, not at all.	20:48
Bernd__	I only know some Java.	20:48
Bernd__	But I am out of practice.	20:48
Bernd__	I think I am going to stay with pure HTML for the moment.	20:48
Bernd__	Thanks for the hint with "slash me", btw.	20:49
@preaction	best to think of javascript as having nothing to do with java, makes it easier to learn	20:49
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, I can duplicate your bug. And it's testable, too. That is very good news.	20:51
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I could use some utf8 help if you have a little time	21:09
@Haarg	sure	21:09
+perlDreamer	In the product, I used encode_json and decode_json	21:09
+perlDreamer	and it they throw an error on "wide characters"	21:10
@Haarg	yeah	21:10
+perlDreamer	I can fix that bug by using to_json and from_json	21:10
+perlDreamer	but will it still work with international, utf8 characters?	21:10
@Haarg	yes	21:10
@Haarg	i had that a bit confused for a while	21:10
+perlDreamer	so, in general, we should not use encode_json and decode_json?	21:10
@Haarg	basically, unless you are dealing with file i/o	21:10
@Haarg	you should use to_ and from_	21:11
+perlDreamer	cool	21:11
@Haarg	and not use ->utf8	21:11
+perlDreamer	has anyone looked through the codebase for that?	21:11
@Haarg	i've been meaning to	21:11
@Haarg	there are some places that do need to use encode_	21:11
@Haarg	the package system for example	21:12
+perlDreamer	One thing I'm confused about is testing	21:12
+perlDreamer	the code fails in apache, but not in the tests	21:12
@Haarg	which tests?	21:13
+perlDreamer	I jimmied up a test to throw in a wide character into a product collateral	21:13
+perlDreamer	and it does not die	21:13
+perlDreamer	Let me pastebin some code for you	21:13
+perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d63c6bc65	21:14
@Haarg	you sure it's actually a wide character?	21:15
+perlDreamer	yes	21:15
+perlDreamer	see the funny, backwards double quote next to 16?	21:15
@Haarg	you can't inline characters like that without 'use utf8' or similar	21:15
+perlDreamer	if you run the test, it does print out as funny	21:16
+perlDreamer	but I'll add the use utf8 line to the test to see what's up	21:16
@Haarg	it's probably just getting the byte sequence, not the character	21:16
@Haarg	i'd suggest using an escape code instead	21:16
+perlDreamer	something like \x{dddd} ?	21:17
@Haarg	yeah	21:18
@Haarg	use utf8 will probably work, but an escape will make it more obvious what you are actually doing	21:18
+perlDreamer	is there a lookup table someplace online for encodings?	21:18
@Haarg	nothing i know of	21:19
@Haarg	\x{201d}	21:20
@Haarg	is the quote you have there	21:21
+perlDreamer	yep, much better. Test go boom	21:22
+perlDreamer	How did you look that up?	21:22
@Haarg	use utf8 + Data::Dumper	21:23
+perlDreamer	SDuensin: it's fixed. 7.5.35 should be coming out this week.	21:33
SDuensin	perlDreamer - Sweet.	21:33
+perlDreamer	If you want it sooner, then you can pull it from svn	21:37
+perlDreamer	for the 7.5 branch, it's 8732	21:37
SDuensin	Na, not a problem. I just used a regular quote and it's fine.	21:37
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8732 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix wide character handling in Product JSON collateral	21:39
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8733 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port Product JSON collateral wide character fix	21:39
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8734 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (Automat/Customer.pm WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm): added an email all hosting customers option	21:39
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carogray	hi all - Plain Black people - can you remind me what we tell people who are finally ready to direct their a records to the Plain Black server i.e. they want their demo site to now be live where do I find the info?	21:57
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CIA-41	WebGUI: frank * r8735 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Updated the POD for some of the new and changes methods to make their use more clear.	22:06
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+MrHairgrease	haha	23:01
+MrHairgrease	anybody read this: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046193&cid=25935403	23:02
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SDuensin	Gotta love Perl.	23:04
+MrHairgrease	ah crap: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046193&cid=25937375	23:05
+MrHairgrease	still... gotta love perl	23:05
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@preaction	http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/what-your-computer-does-while-you-wait <- interesting little thing on performance	23:36
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nuba	hey folks, this is totally offtopic, but here's me playing some ragtime-like guitar song last friday, at university, in a improvised gathering http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beKTgRUanp0	00:20
nuba	its a passable rendition to a awesome song, Clap, by Steve Howe, in his first album with the Yes band, early 70s	00:21
+perlDreamer	he can hack, pick and strum!	00:30
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+perlDreamer	Could a nice PB staff-type person please move this into the RFE board?	00:39
+perlDreamer	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9180	00:39
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@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: done	00:48
+perlDreamer	thanks.	00:49
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8736 /branch/wrebuild_0.8: putting wre 0.8 into mothballs	01:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8737 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Make Posts respect the email privacy setting. Fixed in 7.6 branch only.	01:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8738 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	01:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: removed WDK	01:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: added --ia64 flag for custom processing on 64-bit systems	01:15
SDuensin	Is there a limit to the number of products a shelf will display? I'm only seeing a fraction of what I've entered.	01:17
SDuensin	Seems it shows the last 25 products I entered and gives up the fight.	01:20
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8739 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt):	02:09
CIA-41	WebGUI: - Added the following components:	02:09
CIA-41	WebGUI: gnutils-2.6.2	02:09
CIA-41	WebGUI: libgcrypt-1.4.3	02:09
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin, check for pagination controls in the Shelf template	02:40
+perlDreamer	25 is the default pagination size, so it's suspicious	02:40
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SDuensin	perlDreamer - Thanks. Will do.	04:01
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, the default shelf template does not have pagination controls. That's definitely the problem.	04:03
+perlDreamer	that's probably a bu	04:14
+perlDreamer	g	04:14
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8740 /WebGUI/ (193 files in 16 dirs):	04:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: Adding tinymce language support for arabic, portugeuese,	04:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: danish, french, russian, spanish, german, dutch, norway,	04:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: hungarian and italian.	04:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8741 /WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/ (16 files in 15 dirs): add polish language support to tinymce	04:17
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SDuensin	perlDreamer - Well, I'm good at breaking things. :-)	04:33
+perlDreamer	well, that's also two shop related bugs in 1 day	04:37
+perlDreamer	not too bad	04:38
SDuensin	Is the pagination just a template change? That one is a big deal for me.	04:38
+perlDreamer	it is, but it's also a bug	04:38
+perlDreamer	if you post it, I'll fix it	04:39
+perlDreamer	actually, I'll probably have it fixed before you post it	04:39
+perlDreamer	but it would be nice to have it documented.	04:39
SDuensin	I'll post it real fast.	04:39
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8742 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (209 files in 16 dirs): backport language pack support for tinymce	04:40
SDuensin	Posted.	04:41
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+perlDreamer	You beat me	05:50
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patspam	perlDreamer++ # implementing an RFE that was submitted for me while I was asleep, and finishing it before I woke up, that's fast	05:58
+perlDreamer	well, we aim to please at perlDreamer Consulting	05:59
+perlDreamer	it's out new psychic interface	05:59
elnino	hello! If I have an article who calls the ParentPageURL macro and I make a short cut of that article and put it on a page layout, who's ParentPageURL is it going to get?	06:00
elnino	it appears to be going into a loop and getting confused.	06:00
patspam	perlmonkey2: you still awake?	06:00
@perlmonkey2	yo	06:01
@perlmonkey2	patspam:	06:01
patspam	word	06:01
patspam	I'm thinking plenty of people will want a simple "congrats, you finished the survey" on their survey exit page	06:02
@perlmonkey2	an exit section or have the exit url got to a page with that message.	06:02
patspam	was just musing that people could put survey_url?msg=my%20message%20goes%20here	06:02
patspam	and get survey to print out msg form param if it exists	06:03
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8743 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add basic pagination support to the default Shelf template.	06:03
patspam	would save people from having to create an article containing the message	06:03
@perlmonkey2	seems like it might be easy enough to do	06:05
patspam	ah, but you're right, an exit section is probably better	06:05
patspam	hadn't thought of that	06:05
patspam	I was thinking about it in the context of exitUrl for survey timeouts, since we probably need to tell the user what has happened	06:06
patspam	in my case I want to force users to restart the survey with a message telling them that they timed out	06:07
@perlmonkey2	yeah, I wondered what else it should do.	06:07
@perlmonkey2	So I guess I should break out the check of if the survey has ended to return different codes + messages.	06:08
+perlDreamer	elnino, could you set up a demo site (with standard credential) and post the link back here please?	06:08
patspam	yeah, and we could offer a drop-down of what to do on timeout: go to exitUrl, restart, etc..	06:09
+perlDreamer	if it's a bug, post it as a bug then I can use that as a test bed for fixing it.	06:09
@perlmonkey2	patspam: just make it a asset setting?	06:12
patspam	yeah	06:12
+perlDreamer	DataForm has an acknowledgement template and message	06:12
elnino	perlDreamer. hmm. I guess ParentPageURL is a user contrib. I guess I can't really expect you to fix it even if I do find a problem. It's more complex, I'm calling parentPageURL from a macro I created from a shortcut on a page layout.... So maybe I should ask if there is a way to do what I want to do..=)	06:13
elnino	All I want to do is. Grab the last part of the url: /url/path/to/this.. I want just "this"	06:13
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@perlmonkey2	patspam: you'll have to forgive me, i'm not really with it today. I was attacked by a tree Yesterday and the tree won.	06:15
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: how do you not spend all your time here: http://www.sparkfun.com	06:15
elnino	keeping in mind that it's called from an article that has been shortcutted and placed on a pagelayout. And I'm looking for the last part of the pagelayout's url.	06:16
patspam	pm2: damn trees! do you have scars that tell the tale?	06:16
@perlmonkey2	patspam: heh, no, just a nice red line across my face.	06:18
patspam	ouch. how did you manage that?	06:19
@perlmonkey2	was driving a truck out around a lake. I backed into a tree, heard some squeeking and turned to look just as a branch flipped free of the truck by swinging through the window and into my face. Was quite comical after I realized I hadn't been blinded.	06:21
* perlDreamer is a dedicated Make blog reader, perlmonkey2		06:27
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: yeah, I ordered the ardrino starter book today.	06:28
@perlmonkey2	should be fun stuff.	06:28
@perlmonkey2	I used the OOPic for my last UAV.	06:28
@perlmonkey2	but it was fairly limited	06:28
+perlDreamer	I built two PICs at Maxim	06:28
+perlDreamer	snif	06:28
* perlDreamer grieves quietly but bravely		06:29
@perlmonkey2	yeah, but when you say you "built a PIC", you don't mean you soldered some IC's to some transistors, do you?	06:29
+perlDreamer	No, I mean from the ground up.	06:29
+perlDreamer	We started with the instruction set	06:30
+perlDreamer	and ended up with a PIC	06:30
+perlDreamer	built the ALU, RAM, ROM, EEPROM	06:30
@perlmonkey2	nice	06:30
+perlDreamer	two digital interfaces (1-wire and SPI)	06:30
@perlmonkey2	1-wire++	06:30
@perlmonkey2	don't know what SPI is.	06:30
+perlDreamer	I even hacked the gnupic tools to do our compiling for us	06:30
@perlmonkey2	heh, cool	06:31
+perlDreamer	SPI is also called I2C?	06:31
@perlmonkey2	oh, okay	06:31
@perlmonkey2	making specialized controllers?	06:31
+perlDreamer	yes	06:31
@perlmonkey2	industrial stuff?	06:31
+perlDreamer	no, smaller projects	06:31
@perlmonkey2	When my buddy got out of EE, he started a consulting business doing what he had done at work, and then did software on the side, and then sold his software business for millions.	06:32
@perlmonkey2	Not that you should do that, as I think everyone is happy you are doing software as your main business :)	06:32
+perlDreamer	brb	06:33
@perlmonkey2	patspam: shoot me an email on if you like the url encoded exit message or having a way to set messages for different exit scenarios.	06:44
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+perlDreamer	No, I'm confused again. SMB == I2C. SPI is a 3-wire interface	06:52
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8744 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting default shelf template pagination template fix	07:17
+perlDreamer	elnino, please try ^PageUrl(); and see what it gives you.	07:17
elnino	Thanks. I actually figured it out,I ended up writing my own macro that took the env(path_info) and striped everything except what i wanted.	07:18
elnino	although env seems buggy, at least it doesn't return what I think it should return. I'll write a bug for that.	07:19
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+perlDreamer	Session/Env doesn't do much with the environment hash. It might be more of an Apache thing.	07:27
elnino	yep. I got the idea from the loginbox macro - it's the only place I saw i used. It picks up HTTP header variables.	07:28
+perlDreamer	I'm glad you found a solution	07:29
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Lisette	how to get the address in a payDriver?	15:21
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Lisette	how to get the address in a payDriver?	15:32
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SDuensin	Morning.	15:52
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@perlmonkey2	when dealing with non-utf8 chars, would you use to_json or encode_json? encode has the implied utf8=>1 flag.	16:44
@perlmonkey2	and why do people still leave their system settings to a locale, instead of universal utf8?	16:44
SDuensin	People leave it where it defaulted during the install.	16:45
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@perlmonkey2	Haarg: when do you build the beta release?	17:57
@perlmonkey2	Trying to see how much time I have to resolve the utf8 issue.	17:57
@Haarg	which utf8 issue?	17:57
@Haarg	probably early afternoon?	17:57
@Haarg	... that was supposed to be a statement not a question	17:58
@perlmonkey2	survey on beta isn't working. Think it is the to_json vs the encode_json issue.	17:58
@Haarg	ah	17:58
@Haarg	for survey, use to_ and from_ everywhere, or don't use ->utf8 if doing oo	17:58
@perlmonkey2	it uses encode/decode	18:00
@perlmonkey2	which convert to utf8	18:00
@perlmonkey2	but with wide non-utf8 encodings, they break.	18:00
@perlmonkey2	or at least wide points which don't fit into utf8. Of which I believe there are only a few edge cases which don't.	18:01
@perlmonkey2	The windows backticks I believe don't fit.	18:01
@perlmonkey2	and commas	18:01
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@Haarg	you don't want to use encode_ and decode_	18:05
@perlmonkey2	yeah, we'd hate to assume utf8.	18:06
@Haarg	it's not that simple	18:06
@Haarg	we do assume utf8	18:06
@Haarg	but that is handled elsewhere	18:06
@Haarg	actually, wait	18:06
@Haarg	are you dealing with writing or reading files?	18:07
@Haarg	that gets a bit trickier	18:07
@perlmonkey2	nope	18:07
@perlmonkey2	just encoding and decoding user entered text	18:07
@Haarg	basically, everything going out or in from apache is utf8	18:07
@Haarg	but you don't have to care	18:07
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@Haarg	same for the database	18:07
@Haarg	in the perl code, you just always treat it as character strings	18:08
@perlmonkey2	yeah, but anything that doesn't fit into the utf8 space is just left as a bad wide char.	18:08
@Haarg	which is what to_json/from_json do	18:08
@Haarg	if you use encode_json, it tries to encode the characters into utf8	18:08
@perlmonkey2	so if you have a multi-byte with the first byte not having the correct byte count, you have a bad space that is just quietly passed along.	18:08
@Haarg	but that is already done by the db layer	18:08
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: right, and it is strict in its encoding.	18:09
@Haarg	so it causes problems	18:09
@perlmonkey2	no silent failures.	18:09
@Haarg	but you don't want to encode at all	18:09
@Haarg	because that is done elsewhere	18:09
CIA-41	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8748 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Minor fix. JSON no longer assumes proper utf8, but uses whatever off-brand locale a luser wants to use.	18:10
@perlmonkey2	hmm, but if we take their windows encoded (or whatever) and just assume utf8, then when we show it back to them, the page encoding will be labeled utf8, but their browser will see non-utf8 wide encodings that don't fit and give them the bad wide char char.	18:10
@Haarg	it doesn't come in as the windows encoding	18:10
@Haarg	it comes in as utf8	18:10
@Haarg	non-utf8 wide characters doesn't make much sense anyway	18:11
@perlmonkey2	let me try that on the beta server and see what happens.	18:11
@Haarg	wide characters are always going to be utf-8 or utf-16 or something like that	18:11
@Haarg	the windows encoding (or whatever other encoding like that) are all single-byte	18:12
@perlmonkey2	http://beta.webgui.org/demo1228147391_379/home/untitled?func=editSurvey why does that work but we get utf8 errors when you try to take the survey? maybe a yui widget is failing.	18:12
@Haarg	isn't that using encode_json/decode_json?	18:13
@perlmonkey2	yes. I only just now changed it.	18:13
@perlmonkey2	not on beta though.	18:13
@Haarg	using encode_json/decode_json is the problem	18:15
@perlmonkey2	I need a non utf8 encoded point that does't fit into the utf8 space to test this.	18:16
@Haarg	i don't know of any characters like that	18:17
@Haarg	that's the whole point of unicode	18:17
@Haarg	that it has all of the characters	18:17
@perlmonkey2	yes, but there are some significant bit code points in say Western that don't translate to utf8. Their byte claims to be a multibyte char in utf8, but they aren't.	18:19
@Haarg	i don't really understand what you mean	18:20
@Haarg	the characters in western all exist in utf8	18:20
@Haarg	because utf8 is just an encoding scheme for unicode	18:20
@Haarg	it doesn't really matter what the encodings are in western, because the browser sends them in utf8	18:21
@Haarg	and if the browser didn't send them in utf8 we wouldn't be able to deal with them anyway	18:22
@perlmonkey2	I just used an Eastern (don't know which ISO) and cut and pasted into the demo survey. I can't belive it. was cut off at "I can" as the ' was probably a 11 byte, but the next byte also had a significant bit	18:24
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@Haarg	are you seeing any cases that are broken now that you've changed it to to_json/from_json?	18:26
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: yes	18:28
@perlmonkey2	when I send the eastern encoded string, it is not sent back correctly to the editor. But it is stored and sent back to the presentation correctly.	18:28
@perlmonkey2	and how would the high bit Western encodings fit into UTF8? And western point that starts with 1, would be a bad wide char.	18:29
@perlmonkey2	Well, not a western point, but a western byte.	18:29
@Haarg	again, everything comes in as utf8	18:29
@perlmonkey2	then why would encode and decode break?	18:30
@Haarg	because the database already does encoding	18:30
@Haarg	so you are double encoding stuff	18:31
@perlmonkey2	how would the database know which encoding was coming in? Wouldn't it just assume utf8 is being passed in?	18:32
@Haarg	ok	18:33
@Haarg	browser has characters	18:33
@perlmonkey2	yeah, are those bytes or points?	18:33
@Haarg	it encodes them to utf8 to send	18:33
@Haarg	doesn't matter	18:33
@Haarg	characters	18:33
@Haarg	apache gets the utf8 strings, gives them to webgui	18:34
@perlmonkey2	well my Latvian I can't belive it. didn't get encoded correctly	18:34
@Haarg	webgui (WebGUI::Session::Form) decodes the utf8 to characters	18:34
@Haarg	inside webgui everything treats them as characters	18:34
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@Haarg	when you save to the database, it send encodes them to utf8 for storage	18:35
@Haarg	and decodes them back to characters when it pulls them out	18:35
@Haarg	in webgui (excepting i/o), we always should just be treating them as character strings	18:36
@Haarg	i may see the problem though	18:36
@perlmonkey2	I'm thinking the to/from fixed the issue. Looks like a template error.	18:37
@perlmonkey2	the template value isn't surrounded with quotes.	18:37
Lisette	how to do to get the address in a payDriver?	19:10
@rizen	opinion: I'm working on WRE 1.0	19:29
@rizen	opinion needed, that is	19:29
@rizen	and i'm thinking about upgrading MySQL	19:29
@rizen	5.1 came out	19:29
@perlmonkey2	5.1?	19:30
@rizen	and it has a lot of bug fixes	19:30
SDuensin	Bleeding edge, baby. I can take it.	19:30
@perlmonkey2	I just read a short review that said it should probably still be called beta.	19:30
@rizen	stuff that isn't ever going to get patched in to 5.0	19:30
@rizen	cuz they appear to have end of lifed 5.0	19:30
@rizen	i read the monty blog post too	19:30
@rizen	and he's clearly conflicted	19:30
@rizen	he said that the new features are clearly beta	19:31
@rizen	but also that there's lots of bugs fixed in 5.1 that aren't going to be fixed in 5.0	19:31
@rizen	including several fairly major crash bugs	19:31
@rizen	so...could i hear your thoughts and opinions, so i can roll them around in my head for a little while	19:31
@perlmonkey2	just as long as the business logic layer doesn't creep into triggers and stored procs, its all good.	19:32
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@perlmonkey2	Doesn't look like any of the listed bugs are show stoppers	19:42
@perlmonkey2	Although it would be nice if transactions every became something stable enough to be usable.	19:42
@rizen	thanks for the opinion...anybody else have a thought? cap10morgan preaction Haarg khenn_ anybody?	19:45
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@preaction	i would say provided there are no regressions with 5.1, go for it	19:46
@khenn	I agree with preaction	19:46
* SDuensin likes new software.		19:46
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+cap10morgan	rizen: i assume you won't have webgui magically start using 5.1-only features when it's running in wre 1.0, so it seems like a good idea to me	19:48
@Haarg	since the bugs seem to mainly be in the new features (which we aren't using) upgrading seems fine	19:49
@rizen	nope, we won't be using any 5.1 features	19:49
@rizen	because the API backward compatibility guarantee applies through-out the 7.x series	19:49
@rizen	MySQL 5.0 is the base	19:49
@rizen	as is Apache 2.0 and Perl 5.8	19:50
@rizen	So even though we're upgrading to Apache 2.2 and Perl 5.10 in the new WRE, we won't be able to make use of any of those new features either	19:50
@rizen	only the performance enhancements and bug fixes	19:50
@rizen	ok, so it sounds like everybody is for moving to 5.1, so I'll add that	19:50
@rizen	cap10morgan: as promised, WRE 1.0's primary new feature is going to be 64-bit support	19:51
+cap10morgan	oh, nice!	19:51
SDuensin	MORE BITS! Whoo!	19:51
+cap10morgan	now that i know more about the ins and outs, that's mainly nice for the mysql component. but that's pretty important.	19:52
+cap10morgan	but the pre-fork apache processes could already use more than 4GB of RAM amongst themselves since each one gets its own address space, as you explained to me before. so that relieves most of the pressure on our end.	19:53
@rizen	well it's nice for more than memory. theoretically native 64-bit calculations should be faster due to higher through-put	19:55
@rizen	so that affects apache, perl, mysql, etc	19:55
+cap10morgan	cool	19:56
@perlmonkey2	rizen: you finally got it compiled on 64 bit? swa-eet.	19:56
@rizen	no	19:57
@rizen	that's just what i'm working on for wre 1.0	19:57
@perlmonkey2	oh, may the 64 bit gods smile upon your endevors then.	19:57
@rizen	i've gotten tips from mrhairgrease, koen, and knowmad, so hopefully i can now make it work	19:59
@rizen	plus i'm upgrading to the latest versions of everything, so hopefully that helps as well	19:59
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, are you releasing today?	20:01
@Haarg	yes	20:01
+perlDreamer	cool. I'll be watching for your release notice then to stop committing to the 7.5 branch.	20:05
+perlDreamer	meantime, could someone please move this into the RFE category: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9023	20:06
+perlDreamer	the cart template never had a page title	20:06
@Haarg	today is 7.6 release	20:18
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: is that really an RFE?	20:19
+perlDreamer	I think so, but I could be convinced otherwise	20:19
+perlDreamer	Should the view cart page have a title?	20:19
@perlmonkey2	good question	20:21
+perlDreamer	To me, that's what it boils down to.	20:22
+perlDreamer	shop comes before Asset in the content handler, so I was thinking (but didn't check) that the session asset would not exist yet	20:22
+perlDreamer	that would rule it out	20:22
+perlDreamer	I guess we could put a static title in it	20:22
+perlDreamer	View Cart	20:22
+perlDreamer	but the bug mentioned wanting to be able to change it, which sounds like user config	20:23
+perlDreamer	the user config is out of scope for the Shop right now	20:23
@perlmonkey2	I can find no flaws in that	20:24
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@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: done	20:26
+perlDreamer	thanks, man.	20:26
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8750 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add Help for new epochDate CS RSS template variable.	20:37
ckotil	RFE: include DENY in the subject for denied version tags.	20:42
ckotil	thoughts?	20:42
ckotil	hell include APPROVED for approved version tags as well	20:43
ckotil	bc right now its not apparent just by looking at the subject wheather or not a tag was approved/denied	20:43
+perlDreamer	I like it, ckotil	20:43
@perlmonkey2	I like it too	20:48
ckotil	cool, i just about have the RFE written up and submitted	20:48
ckotil	I think we will just need to modify the Notify about version tag Workflow Activity	20:48
+perlDreamer	Haarg, rev 8081 actually fixes a bug in 7.5	20:52
+perlDreamer	is it safe to back port it to 7.5?	20:53
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8081	20:53
ckotil	http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9209	20:53
+perlDreamer	I thought about doing just the Calendar part, but the CS, Gallery, and Wiki are also affected. So we'd be heading off bugs by doing it that way.	20:57
@Haarg	there have been a couple bugs introduced by that change	21:18
@Haarg	so i'd prefer not backporting it	21:18
@Haarg	what is the 7.5 bug?	21:18
+perlDreamer	when you copy a calendar, it creates version tags for each child event	21:22
@Haarg	ah	21:22
+perlDreamer	most likely because getParent returns nothing useful	21:23
+perlDreamer	actually, I can work with that	21:23
+perlDreamer	if getParent isn't defined, I'll have it return undef	21:23
+perlDreamer	inside of getAutoCommitWorkflow inside Event.pm	21:23
+perlDreamer	actually, what kind of bugs are you seeing in 7.6 related to that?	21:24
@Haarg	they were fixed, but there was an issue with the email -> CS workflow	21:24
+perlDreamer	hm	21:25
@Haarg	i don't know of any related bugs that still exist	21:25
+perlDreamer	maybe I should just do the Calendar/Event fix then	21:25
@Haarg	but given how large of a change it is and that there have been bugs with it already i'm just not certain about backporting it	21:26
+perlDreamer	I'll see if I can find a different/better solution then	21:26
* perlDreamer bows to Haarg's experience and wisdom		21:28
@Haarg	it looks like i used a different solution for how to keep recurring events in the correct tag for 7.5 vs 7.6	21:30
@Haarg	don't remember why	21:30
+perlDreamer	well, if getAutoCommitWorkflow return undef, it uses VersionTag->getWorking, which seems to be the right solution to me	21:31
+perlDreamer	that's what I'm going to try and emulate in 7.5	21:31
+perlDreamer	Also, before you commit, would you please see if you can duplicate my RTE bug for 7.5?	21:32
+perlDreamer	it's really strange	21:32
+perlDreamer	in that there's been no changes to that code, but it stopped working	21:32
+perlDreamer	I'm hoping it's just my browser version	21:32
@Haarg	you have a link?	21:33
+perlDreamer	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9170	21:33
@Haarg	i think i know the problem	21:34
+perlDreamer	my error console says (method \|\| 'p').toLowerCase is not a method	21:34
+perlDreamer	or something very similar	21:35
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8751 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix badge viewing issue in the EMS	21:35
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8752 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting ems badge viewing permission fix	21:35
@Haarg	i should probably report the bug in tinymce for that one	21:36
@Haarg	fix committed	21:36
+perlDreamer	does that fix also prevent the RTE from wrapping everything in paragraph tags?	21:38
@Haarg	kind of	21:39
@Haarg	it wraps in paragraph tags unless you set the option to use br tags	21:40
+perlDreamer	well, then I think you may have fixed two bugs...	21:40
@Haarg	well, the bug fix for that broke it	21:41
@Haarg	so now the brokenness is fixed	21:41
+perlDreamer	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9130	21:41
+perlDreamer	I'll close my bug, and then test the other one to see if it's fixed, too.	21:41
+perlDreamer	and the fix, it codes around a bug in tinymce by not sending the option at all, versus sending JSON::true?	21:42
@Haarg	sorry for not posting something on that bug	21:42
+perlDreamer	it's okay, I know you're busy	21:42
@Haarg	yeah	21:42
@Haarg	i was told about the bug through different channels, and didn't know it was posted as a bug until later	21:42
@Haarg	heh, i didn't document it because the bug was introduced in the same version	21:57
+perlDreamer	I'm not sure I followed that Haarg.	22:00
@Haarg	that bug was never in a released version	22:00
@Haarg	doesn't really matter though	22:00
+perlDreamer	and it brings us one closer to < 3 pages of bugs	22:01
+perlDreamer	it also didn't fix the other RTE bug that I mentioned. But I'll try to close down the Calendar version tag bug first and then try it	22:02
+perlDreamer	I've been shying away from Bazaar and Helpdesk bugs	22:02
+perlDreamer	there are really only a handful of core WebGUI bugs posted	22:02
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8753 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm: fix rich editor	22:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8754 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: document RTE bug fix (useBr workaround)	22:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8755 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): (log message trimmed)	22:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: - Upgraded the following components to these new versions:	22:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: aspell6-en-6.0-0	22:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: aspell-0.60.6	22:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: awstats-6.8	22:07
CIA-41	WebGUI: expat-2.0.1	22:07
CIA-41	WebGUI: ImageMagick-6.4.6-8	22:07
@Haarg	was this fix put into 7.5? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9155	22:08
+perlDreamer	No.	22:08
@Haarg	ok	22:08
+perlDreamer	rizen thought it was too radical for 7.5 at this point	22:08
@Haarg	the changelog entry was added for it	22:08
+perlDreamer	it was?	22:09
+perlDreamer	I'll fix that	22:09
+perlDreamer	I originally developed it in 7.5, then had to port it over to 7.5	22:09
+perlDreamer	7.6	22:09
nuba	perlbot: paste	22:09
perlbot	Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/pfn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it.	22:09
+perlDreamer	I must not have cleaned it up	22:09
@rizen	what is too radical?	22:10
+perlDreamer	the headblock/extra head tags change	22:10
@rizen	it should have only been put into 7.6	22:10
+perlDreamer	it was	22:10
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@rizen	ok, then what's the problem?	22:11
+perlDreamer	I forgot to remove the changelog notice	22:11
+perlDreamer	(from 7.5)	22:11
@rizen	ok	22:11
@rizen	so no problem	22:11
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+perlDreamer	Ever since you got me canned, I've been very careful to do _exactly_ what you say.	22:11
+perlDreamer	except for that jalapeno juice cure for colds	22:12
nuba	hah	22:13
nuba	nasty	22:13
* perlDreamer goes to the gym		22:16
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I have no pending/halfway commits, so please don't hold the release for me	22:16
@Haarg	ok	22:17
@Haarg	perlDreamer, did you end up doing anything with that calendar copy problem?	22:24
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8756 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: undocument bug that is not fixed in this version	22:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8757 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm): - security: A problem was discovered and fixed in which users could email executable attachments to a collaboration system and then when viewed online, could execute them.	22:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8758 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm t/Form/Textarea.t):	22:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: use proper method of formatting text for display in Textarea form	22:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: control	22:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8759 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm):	22:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: - security: A problem was discovered and fixed in which users could email	22:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: executable attachments to a collaboration system and then when viewed online,	22:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: could execute them. We recommend immediate upgrade for all 7.x users.	22:36
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+snapcount	anybody see a problem with changing line 439 of WSClient.pm from if (!$@) { to if (!$@ && defined $aref) {	00:35
+snapcount	I'm not sure what the process is for submitting patches these days so I figured I'd start here	00:35
+snapcount	I was getting an error when I used the WSClient and that fixes it	00:36
+snapcount	DEBUG - www.hdpublishinggroup.com.conf - WebGUI::Macro::process[142] - Stack trace for ERROR Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440.	00:36
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, no changes to calendar yet. My return undef if !$parent fix did not work.	00:59
@Haarg	i'm not really sure how the changes i made in 7.6 dealt with the issue	01:00
+perlDreamer	it's gotta be in there somewhere	01:00
@Haarg	the problem i saw right off when looking at it	01:00
@Haarg	is the duplicate method on the calendar	01:00
@Haarg	it doesn't use skipAutoCommit	01:00
@Haarg	on its addChild calls	01:00
@Haarg	also, it probably needs to override duplicateBranch	01:01
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@Haarg	since it is already doing that behavior	01:02
+perlDreamer	yeah, I noticed that, too	01:02
+perlDreamer	the copy icon in the asset toolbar now has a dropdown if you have children	01:02
+perlDreamer	allowing you to copy only the asset, or the asset and children, or asset and descendants	01:02
+perlDreamer	and since calendar always copies children, copy only asset does not work	01:03
@Haarg	yeah	01:03
+perlDreamer	but I don't know why preaction did that in the first place, so I was hesitant to do anything with that	01:03
@Haarg	it may just be best to remove the extra handling calendar has	01:03
+perlDreamer	except the skipAutoCommit you mentioned?	01:04
@Haarg	no, the default duplicateBranch includes that	01:04
+perlDreamer	okay, now I'm officially confused	01:04
+perlDreamer	in the 7.6 branch, Calendar's duplicate does not do skip auto commit	01:04
@Haarg	yeah, i don't know why it works in 7.6	01:05
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+perlDreamer	I'll start by tracing it in 7.5, and then comparing against 7.6	01:18
+perlDreamer	There has to be a good reason for it	01:18
+perlDreamer	Your unconscious programming skills are quite envious, Haarg :)	01:19
@Haarg	it's probably the hasBeenCommitted check	01:20
@Haarg	the newly created parent hasn't been committed	01:20
@Haarg	so it doesn't get an auto commit workflow	01:20
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8760 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/Site.pm: redundant line	01:24
+perlDreamer	that would make sense	01:24
+perlDreamer	but don't we _want_ it to auto commit?	01:24
+perlDreamer	the problem is that it's going through a manual commit	01:25
+perlDreamer	or do I have it backwards?	01:25
@Haarg	we don't want it to autocommit	01:26
@Haarg	because for copy, the commit process is handled elsewhere	01:26
+perlDreamer	so, if I backport just hasBeenCommitted and use that, it would fix it	01:26
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@Haarg	maybe, but i think fixing duplicate would be better	01:27
@Haarg	fixing/eliminating	01:27
+perlDreamer	okay, then let me play it all back	01:27
+perlDreamer	well, there's a problem with that, too	01:27
+perlDreamer	if we eliminate duplicate, then in the Asset Manager when you copy a calendar, it won't copy all the events like it does now	01:28
+perlDreamer	I'm cool with that, as long as y'all are okay with the new behavior	01:28
@Haarg	for now keeping the existing behaviour is probably better	01:29
+perlDreamer	so in 7.5, I'll just add the skipAutoCommit	01:30
+perlDreamer	and in 7.6...?	01:30
+perlDreamer	nuke dupe?	01:30
@Haarg	that seems ok	01:30
@Haarg	also, i think calendar (7.5) should have a duplicateBranch method	01:31
+perlDreamer	what does it need to override in the one from AssetVersioning?	01:32
+perlDreamer	uh, AssetBranch	01:32
@Haarg	the one is AssetBranch duplicates children	01:32
@Haarg	since duplicate already will be doing that	01:32
@Haarg	duplicateBranch should not	01:32
+perlDreamer	That seems backwards to me.	01:33
@preaction	I HATE THE CALENDAR	01:33
@preaction	i just thought i should mention	01:33
@Haarg	how so?	01:33
@Haarg	in 7.6, we're eliminating duplicate, so it isn't an issue anymore	01:34
+perlDreamer	In a perfect world, duplicate branch would copy children, and duplicate would only duplicate the calendar.	01:34
@Haarg	which is what we want to do in 7.6	01:34
+perlDreamer	exactly	01:34
+perlDreamer	but didn't you just say that in 7.5, duplicate branch should _not_ duplicate events?	01:34
@Haarg	no	01:35
+perlDreamer	(03:31:59 PM) Haarg: duplicateBranch should not	01:35
+perlDreamer	I'm probably taking that out of context	01:35
@Haarg	in 7.5, Calendar::duplicateBranch should not duplicate children itself	01:35
@Haarg	it should just let duplicate copy the children	01:35
+perlDreamer	I see	01:35
+perlDreamer	that makes more sense	01:36
+perlDreamer	thanks for straightening me out	01:36
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+perlDreamer	is it safe to commit, Haarg?	01:42
@Haarg	yes	01:42
@Haarg	i'm working on test failures	01:43
+perlDreamer	we haven't had any automated smoke tests in two days.	01:46
+perlDreamer	do you want some help with the tests?	01:46
@preaction	it's been more than two days	01:47
@preaction	the SVN version is broken for some unknown reason	01:47
+perlDreamer	yeah, but the stable branch was working up until the 30th of November	01:47
@preaction	now that's not working either? god...	01:48
+perlDreamer	testing has high costs in maintenance	01:48
@Haarg	i think i have the tests basically dealt with	01:49
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8761 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix duplicate handling by the Calendar.	01:50
@rizen	perlDreamer, do you have 7.6 checked out?	01:50
+perlDreamer	I have an up to date copy from SVN. Is that what you mean?	01:51
@rizen	yeah	01:51
@rizen	go to the admin console	01:51
+perlDreamer	let me switch over to 7.6 form 7.5	01:51
@rizen	is it hosed for you?	01:51
+perlDreamer	Admin console in the admin bar is okay	01:53
+perlDreamer	admin console from an operation, however, looks messed up	01:53
+perlDreamer	I'm missing the admin bbar	01:53
+perlDreamer	but from other places it looks fine, like from User	01:55
+perlDreamer	groups is okay	01:56
+perlDreamer	so offhand I'd say it's just the AssetManager and admin console/admin bar together	01:57
+perlDreamer	Haarg, Calendar buttoned up in both branches.	02:04
+perlDreamer	phew	02:04
+perlDreamer	rizen, do you have more 7.6 questions?	02:07
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8762 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	02:19
CIA-41	WebGUI: Fix Calendar copy behavior. By default, duplicate will only copy	02:19
CIA-41	WebGUI: the Calendar. duplicateBranch must be called to copy it _and_ its	02:19
CIA-41	WebGUI: children.	02:19
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@rizen	sorry pd, had to take care of some stuff quick	02:30
@rizen	for me, the admin console wrapper is fubarred everywhere	02:31
@rizen	almost like the css is missing	02:31
@rizen	actually, it's a js error:	02:31
@rizen	Can't find variable: initAdminConsole	02:31
+perlDreamer	let me double check that I'm up to date	02:32
+perlDreamer	yep, fully up at 8762	02:32
+perlDreamer	rizen, I'm about 10 minutes away from a bugfix for Tavis. Let me wrap it up and I'll help look at the adminConsole.	02:34
@rizen	you don' t need to i was just trying to see if it's a local thing or not	02:35
@rizen	if you're not seeing the problem, then it must be on my box	02:35
+perlDreamer	which workflow should collateral uploaded through the RTE image manager use	02:38
+perlDreamer	should it be autocommitted?	02:38
@Haarg	should be the same as anywhere else i would think	02:38
@Haarg	i'm doing the 7.6.5 release right now btw	02:40
+perlDreamer	I'm working in 7.5, I'll hold off forward porting 'til you're clear	02:40
+perlDreamer	right now the image manager does an addChild, but no kind of commit processing	02:40
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8763 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm t/Form/Textarea.t):	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: use proper method of formatting text for display in Textarea form	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: control	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8764 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ (Form.pm ErrorHandler.pm): Make sure SQL parameters are stringified (for overloaded entries) before converting to json for debug output	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8765 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: FormValidator doesn't need to handle defaults, the Forms API already does that	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8766 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: filtering of rich text areas very slow for large content	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8767 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: international characters are corrupted on export	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8768 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Search/Index.pm: don't need to decode content before indexing it, it's already decoded	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8769 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): removing WSClient	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8770 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: fix some POD errors	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8771 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/File.t lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Macro/Thumbnail.t): some fixes after Storage and Storage::Image merge	02:44
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8772 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.5 release	02:44
+perlDreamer	The WSClient is dead?	02:46
@Haarg	we aren't supporting it anymore	02:47
@Haarg	it'll get its own repo like SQL Form	02:47
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+perlDreamer	what to do with WSClient bugs in the tracker?	02:52
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@Haarg	well, if we can fix them in 7.5 that would be nice	03:04
@Haarg	but it is so painful to work with that i'd consider them very low priority	03:05
+perlDreamer	gotcha	03:11
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8773 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (findSites.pl createSitesForServer.pl): bringing sites from servers into automat	03:14
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8774 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.5-beta: Release 7.6.5-beta	03:14
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8775 /experimental/use-at-own-risk.txt: use at your own risk	03:14
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CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8776 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.6 dev	03:41
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+perlDreamer	rizen: Did you find out what's up with Admin Console on your box?	05:05
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8777 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.t: Add wide character JSON encoding test.	05:06
@preaction	would a report that only gets updated by a workflow activity be a useful thing?	05:10
@preaction	so the user could navigate the report, but the data inside it is only updated by a workflow activity at a certain schedule (configured in the asset)	05:10
+perlDreamer	sure	05:11
+perlDreamer	Is this a DataForm feature?	05:15
+perlDreamer	uh, DataTable	05:15
@preaction	no, this would be added to the Report framework	05:17
@preaction	which is... damnit... kind of similar to the DataTable	05:18
@preaction	no, it's not. DataTable is for DataSources, which may be mutable	05:33
@preaction	Report is for immutable data	05:33
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8778 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (321 files in 56 dirs):	05:33
CIA-41	WebGUI: Merge branch '7.6.5-beta' into flux	05:33
CIA-41	WebGUI: Conflicts:	05:33
CIA-41	WebGUI: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm	05:33
@rizen	perlDreamer: i think you broke plainblack.com	05:50
@rizen	=)	05:50
@preaction	i don't know if it was him, the extra head tags are indeed there	05:50
@rizen	huh?	05:51
@rizen	i'm talking about style templates	05:51
@rizen	and technically, it's not him that broke it	05:51
@rizen	but rather steve, for designing the site like that	05:51
@preaction	oh, i was trying to figure out why the SWFObject script was erroring, i suppose i never actually looked at the HTML being spit out	05:52
@rizen	but that means that when we push this upgrade out to the public we should try to "fix" their borked templates for them	05:52
@rizen	that is, if this is indeed the error	05:53
@preaction	http://www.plainblack.com/home/homepage?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets <- this has some Extra <head> elements, but they aren't in the HTML being generated	05:56
@rizen	ah well that would do it	05:56
@rizen	i'm also restoring an old copy of the pb database	05:56
@rizen	to see if there are any style templates that have a headblock with something in it	05:57
@rizen	boom	06:03
@rizen	you are a genius	06:03
@preaction	but what was the fix? i can't find anywhere these things were supposed to get included in any way	06:03
@preaction	nm, i see it now	06:05
@rizen	the worst part about it is that i think i may have inadvertantly told him to remove that line	06:07
@rizen	because i didn't understand what he was asking me	06:08
@rizen	anyway...all better. back to watching WALL-E	06:08
+perlDreamer	woe is me	06:13
+perlDreamer	what do we need to do to fix the code, preaction and rizen?	06:13
@preaction	perlDreamer: i believe it's all fixied now	06:14
@preaction	i removed the two instances from processStyle, and JT added it back to prepareView	06:14
SDuensin	Do you people ever sleep?	06:14
+perlDreamer	sleep?	06:15
+perlDreamer	preaction can't sleep, it's in his contract	06:15
SDuensin	Yea. It's the dark part between bugs.	06:15
+perlDreamer	and I've got a business to launch, so I'm trying to stay busy	06:15
@preaction	i've been there ... once...	06:15
SDuensin	Me too, bud. I hear that.	06:15
@preaction	there were people talking	06:15
@preaction	i didn't like them	06:15
SDuensin	preaction needs to sleep. I'm going to bug him tomorrow. :-)	06:16
@preaction	oh no, i'll be up bright and squirrelly in meetings	06:16
+perlDreamer	preaction: with those code changes, will other views also get extraHeadTags?	06:17
+perlDreamer	or only view?	06:17
@preaction	perlDreamer: okay... how did this EVER work before?	06:17
SDuensin	Well, I'm going to bed. This PB stuff is stressing me out. I need my beauty rest so I can do a good job tomorrow. Unlike today.	06:18
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, good night. Hack on tomorrow.	06:18
SDuensin	I will. I'm still super-excited to get to do this!	06:18
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8779 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: readded a line that i think i accidentally told colin to remove	06:19
CIA-41	WebGUI: doug * r8780 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): cleaning up the rest of the extra head tags	06:19
CIA-41	WebGUI: doug * r8781 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): dum dum dum dum dum	06:19
@preaction	but doesn't this mean that they'll get added twice by view?	06:21
+perlDreamer	possibly	06:21
+perlDreamer	probably	06:21
+perlDreamer	I'll fire it up and check	06:22
+perlDreamer	yup, it comes out twice	06:27
@preaction	yay!	06:28
+perlDreamer	Do we fix it tonight, or tomorrow?	06:38
* perlDreamer votes for tomorrow, when fingers are fresh and heads are not befuddled		06:39
@preaction	yes, tomorrow	06:40
@preaction	when testing can be written so this little mishap doesn't hap again	06:40
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8782 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	07:12
CIA-41	WebGUI: Make copy use safe references.	07:12
CIA-41	WebGUI: Add tests for remove, and copy.	07:12
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wgGuest71	Hi All	12:43
wgGuest71	hope someone here can help me	12:43
wgGuest71	embedding perl in pages - tried the MasonScript - seems to be a bit outdated	12:44
wgGuest71	anyone had any luck with this	12:44
wgGuest71	just need to be guided in the right direction	12:44
BartJol	sorry, I can't help you	12:45
wgGuest71	no prob	12:48
wgGuest71	tx for reply	12:48
BartJol	most people here live in the US and willl wake up in three to 4 hours	12:50
BartJol	so you might wanna try again later	12:50
wgGuest71	much appreciated, Ill do that	12:50
BartJol	glad to be some sort of help	12:54
CIA-41	WebGUI: yung * r8783 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: matrix bugfixes and code improvements	13:09
wgGuest71	another question if I may, I went to the bazaar, and wanted to buy the latest version of ruling webui, but I don't see it there. Am I looking at old forums? Does this manual still exist?	13:23
wgGuest71	not bazaar I mean this link https://www.plainblack.com/store/	13:29
wgGuest71	should I be looking at the developers guide?	13:30
BartJol	wgGuest71: well you have the primer that you can download	13:52
BartJol	but for more explanation of programming and the use of the api, the developers guide is the thing	13:52
BartJol	so it depends on what you wana do	13:54
wgGuest71	gone through that, want to get more into the nitty gritty, and in the forums ruling Webgui was mentioned, the manual I got is for 5.4 though, do not sure if that has changed	13:55
BartJol	if you have a 7.x version, you can consider ruling WebGUI as obsolete	13:55
BartJol	there has been many changes	13:56
BartJol	I think that the content managers guide is most similar to ruling WebGUI	13:56
wgGuest71	awesome, so a purchase of the content guide and the developers guide will be most valuable.	14:26
wgGuest71	once again, thanx for the info	14:26
BartJol	That's my opinion, but as long your not a designer, those two boomks should do the trick	14:28
wgGuest71	tx	14:28
BartJol	np	14:29
CIA-41	WebGUI: yung * r8784 /branch/yung-thingy-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added rfe #w9099: Thingy field-copy function	15:10
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CIA-41	WebGUI: martin * r8785 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: #8775: Miscount in number of replies in CS Thread.	17:05
SDuensin	Greetings.	17:06
+MrHairgrease	Greasings!	17:06
SDuensin	No, no greasing yet. Not made it to McDonalds.	17:08
BartJol	I understood that all american food is greasy	17:08
SDuensin	Not all. Just the good stuff. :-)	17:11
+MrHairgrease	when you fix something for 7.5.35 and then forward port it to 7.6 does it have to be in both the 7.3.35 and 7.6 changelog?	17:19
@preaction	MrHairgrease: no, just the 7.5 changelog	17:24
@preaction	i believe we'll merge the changelogs when 7.6 goes stable	17:24
@perlmonkey2	preaction: ack, I've been putting everything in both changelogs. Oh well.	17:25
+MrHairgrease	ok, makes sense	17:26
+MrHairgrease	i guess it would look weird to see the same bug fixed twice	17:26
+MrHairgrease	very back to the future	17:26
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+perlDreamer	I'd like to point out that BartJol should be voiced because he's PBWG.	18:06
+perlDreamer	Also, famous, talented, good looking and generous.	18:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: martin * r8786 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merging fixed #8775: Miscount in number of replies in CS Thread.	18:06
+perlDreamer	and, should Koen get out of control, he's "our last, best hope".	18:06
* SDuensin just started watching B5. Very timely.		18:07
BartJol	perlDreamer: uh?	18:11
+perlDreamer	just blush and accept the compliment, dude	18:11
BartJol	ok, thanks	18:12
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SDuensin	preaction / Haarg - When one of you has some time, I need a bit of guidance.	18:15
@preaction	SDuensin: sup?	18:15
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@preaction	BartJol: rejoin the channel please?	18:16
SDuensin	I got your mail last night (dunno WTF happened before). Basically you need the old thing ported to the new thing?	18:16
BartJol	preaction: why?	18:17
BartJol	I'm here	18:17
@preaction	BartJol: so that the server can auto-voice you and i can see that it works correctly	18:17
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@preaction	er...	18:17
@preaction	breathless anticipation!	18:18
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+bartjol	preaction: it worked	18:19
@preaction	yay!	18:19
+MrHairgrease	welcome to the big boys bart	18:20
+bartjol	joohooo!	18:21
SDuensin	hehe	18:21
+bartjol	dec 2008 is my nonth for WebGUI it seems	18:21
+bartjol	and that while I just messed up a upgrade process, so Koen had to stay longer than he wanted...	18:22
+bartjol	or is bugging Koen considered positive?	18:23
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+MrHairgrease	sure why not	18:25
CIA-41	WebGUI: ernesto * r8787 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)	18:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: * Make WebGUI work with any kind of LDAP URI (ldap, ldaps and ldapi).	18:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: The fix consists on making every connection use the URI _without_ the base.	18:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: This requires rebuilding the URI parameters using scheme, host and port as	18:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: taken from the original URI stored in WebGUI's or User Preferences,	18:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: passing it as_string() to Net::LDAP->new(), and stripping any other	18:34
CIA-41	WebGUI: parameter to the constructor.	18:34
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+MrHairgrease	time to go	19:00
+MrHairgrease	later	19:00
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+bartjol	bye from me too	19:02
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SDuensin	Ok, explain this one. I was working on a little Nokia 800 tablet last night. Somehow, I hurt my pinkie! It still hurts like hell! Capital letters are painful!	19:07
+perlDreamer	It's all that java typing with no sigils	19:13
+perlDreamer	It's weakened your sinews	19:13
SDuensin	Apparently.	19:13
SDuensin	Seriously. It hurts like hell.	19:14
SDuensin	I need one of those foot pedal shift key things.	19:14
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rjacobsen	good afternoon all	19:24
SDuensin	hey	19:24
rjacobsen	I was wondering if maybe there were some scripts available to where I could use the script to import a package to multiple sites within webgui and one to delete multiple assets in webgui	19:25
rjacobsen	uploading packages to 50+ websites is taking forever.....	19:26
SDuensin	Sounds like something that'd be handy. Don't know of such a beast though.	19:26
rjacobsen	it would be awesome	19:27
rjacobsen	how much would I have to pay for someone to write me such a script?	19:27
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8788 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: fixed search	19:27
rjacobsen	guess no one wants to make any money :(	19:31
SDuensin	Hehe	19:32
@preaction	rjacobsen: if you want a quote from plainblack, send an e-mail to sales@plainblack.com	19:32
rjacobsen	well is there not such a script available?	19:32
@preaction	rjacobsen: alternatively, fill out this form: https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/development/portfolio/quote	19:32
+perlDreamer	rjacobsen, no there isn't	19:32
rjacobsen	gotcha	19:33
rjacobsen	ok then	19:33
@preaction	rjacobsen: you can look in the https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools section, i think the packages one might be there	19:33
+perlDreamer	it is	19:42
+perlDreamer	does demo.webgui.org have several hosts on the same ip, or is it clustered?	19:46
@preaction	several hosts on the same IP	19:47
@preaction	demo.webgui.org is plainblack.com afaik	19:47
+perlDreamer	I'm working on Tavis's RTE upload problem. The problem is that it sometimes grabs a different site cookie with the same IP. That gives it a different session, and therefore scratch vars and version tag.	19:47
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@preaction	uh... so it's a site configuration problem?	19:48
+perlDreamer	I think so. The only way I can duplicate it is to access my dev site via an IP address, versus the site's name	19:49
+perlDreamer	this bug could go all the way back into apache, or mod_perl, or site config	19:49
+perlDreamer	I'll make sure the HTTP environment vars are the same for all requests	19:50
+perlDreamer	well, I found the bug and it's not Apache or mod_perl	19:56
+perlDreamer	but I'm still confused	19:56
+perlDreamer	Form::HTMLArea used $session->url->getSiteName to get the name of the site	19:57
+perlDreamer	accessing it by IP address isn't in the list of sitenames, so it uses the first sitename	19:57
+perlDreamer	that's a different site from the original, so you get a new session	19:57
+perlDreamer	(via a different cookie)	19:57
+perlDreamer	but that doesn't fully explain the demo site yet	19:58
@preaction	perhaps something to do with gateways and using multiple demo sites at the same time?	19:58
@preaction	the cookie is named the same, and maybe it's only linked to the domain and not the path?	19:58
@Haarg	demo.webgui.org is on cold	19:59
+perlDreamer	that sounds right, preaction. But then I'd expect it to be random. And this is very, very repeatable.	20:00
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, what are the steps to reproduce this?	20:03
+perlDreamer	Log in as admin	20:03
+perlDreamer	Edit anything with an HTMLarea	20:04
+perlDreamer	Hit the Insert WebGUI Image button	20:04
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8789 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): reverting 8787 due to compile errors	20:04
+perlDreamer	upload an image	20:04
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+perlDreamer	Hit the select button next to the image	20:04
+perlDreamer	In the thumbnail error, you will see the string ERROR	20:04
+perlDreamer	If you leave the edit screen, you'll see that a version tag was created	20:05
@Haarg	hrm	20:05
@Haarg	i'm not seeing an error	20:05
@Haarg	on a demo site	20:05
+perlDreamer	I've done it on several demo sites over the last few days	20:05
+perlDreamer	and, I can do it on a dev site, if you access it via IP address rather than site name	20:06
+perlDreamer	maybe it's tied to a particular browser?	20:06
+perlDreamer	this is the demo site I'm using now: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1228325826_275/home/welcome?func=edit	20:07
@Haarg	i see	20:07
@Haarg	it works on demo.webgui.org	20:07
@Haarg	but not on demo.plainblack.com	20:07
@Haarg	i could fix this on the server side probably	20:11
@Haarg	i'm just not certain if that is the best fix	20:11
+perlDreamer	There's an alternate fix, I think. I just can't try it on a demo server	20:11
@Haarg	it should probably be adjusted to use urls that are relative to / instead of having the full url	20:11
+perlDreamer	Inside Form/HTMLArea, I took out the getSiteUrl part of the image url	20:11
@Haarg	yeah	20:11
+perlDreamer	okay, I'll commit that	20:12
@Haarg	it's just an issue with having two different domains for one site	20:12
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8790 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): have imageTree use relative urls to handle sites with multiple sitenames	20:31
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8791 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm):	20:31
CIA-41	WebGUI: Remove 7.5.34 changelog that snuck into the 7.6 branch.	20:31
CIA-41	WebGUI: Forward port imageTree thumbnail relative url fix for sites with multiple hostnames	20:31
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SquOnk	Hi	20:49
@preaction	hello there	20:49
SquOnk	I saw my patch 8787 to 7.5 reverted because of compilation errors. I wonder what those compilation errors are, since I'm not seeing them.	20:50
SquOnk	(The patch is in production in my servers since monday, that's why I'm curious)	20:50
@preaction	perlDreamer: you reverted that patch, can you fill in?	20:51
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+perlDreamer	All my logs are wiped. I do that when working on bugs to keep the paging down	20:52
+perlDreamer	I'll merge that patch back in later today, and try to recreate it	20:52
+perlDreamer	I remember missing my's, and issues like that	20:52
@preaction	i'll run the syntax_check.t against that revision	20:52
SquOnk	preaction: Please do, and let me know what's wrong. As I said, this patch is in production with no errors or warnings at all.	20:53
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wgGuest15	Hi All, I had a question earlier about embedding perl in an html page layout in webgui. I tried using MasonScript to no evail. It seems a bit out-dated, can anyone steer me in the right direction?	20:55
wgGuest15	your response is much appreciated in advance	20:56
@preaction	SquOnk, perlDreamer: looks like syntaxCheck.t passes	20:57
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8792 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: better linking between objects	20:57
+perlDreamer	SquOnk, I owe you an apology then	20:57
+perlDreamer	Would you like me to add the patch back in?	20:57
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Yes, please.	20:58
SquOnk	perlDreamer: ...so it makes it into the next release.	20:58
@preaction	wgGuest15: firstly i would not suggest what you're trying. secondly, look for PerlOutputFilterHandler maybe?	20:59
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Hold on.	21:00
SquOnk	perlDreamer: JT wrote an e-mail to me. And he's right about me not being aware of the feature freeze, so I guess the patch should not be committed yet. I need to do a better job :-)	21:00
+perlDreamer	SquOnk, it's probably just a matter of timing.	21:01
SquOnk	perlDreamer: It always is :-)	21:01
wgGuest15	preaction:Tx for the response, why would you advice against using the method (embedding)? I will do a bit more reading on what you have recommended	21:02
@preaction	wgGuest15: because putting Perl code in that layer opens up a whole bunch of security holes	21:02
@preaction	wgGuest15: you could try making a new template plugin for mason, that might work better and be more secure	21:02
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apeiron	Well, you could switch over to the TT plugin and use its PERL directive.... but not advisable regardless.	21:05
@preaction	that might be better than anything i've yet suggested	21:06
wgGuest15	preaction:I agree that would be the best approach. However, I am pressed for time at the moment (aren't we all these days) and have a deadline to meet.	21:06
Petruchio	Hey, anyone here work for Plain Black?	21:07
@preaction	Petruchio: all the ops here	21:07
Petruchio	Ah.	21:07
wgGuest15	Let me look into the TT plugin, thanx for the assistance.	21:07
wgGuest15	btw, Great product, really like what I have seen so far	21:08
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+perlDreamer	In the rich editor, enabling the buttons in the toolbars is sometimes not enough to enable functionality.	21:14
@preaction	that's... kinda weird	21:14
+perlDreamer	For example, you may also have to update the Valid Elements property for the rich text editor	21:14
@preaction	hate the tinymce. i want to go to the YUI one	21:14
+perlDreamer	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8774	21:14
+perlDreamer	I'm thinking about just updating the hover help for the toolbars sections	21:15
+perlDreamer	but I'm wondering if instead I should change the default forum editor to allow all elements let the toolbar control what's going on	21:15
+perlDreamer	any suggestions from the PB crew?	21:15
@preaction	i think just updating the help and docs	21:17
@preaction	or... what if enabling the button would also add (using a bit of client-side scripting) the element(s) to the list of enabled elements?	21:17
@preaction	perhaps with a small pop-up warning saying "oh, btw, i just did this"	21:17
+perlDreamer	that sounds like more than I want to do in 7.5	21:18
@preaction	not sure i like the idea, seems overly complicated	21:18
* perlDreamer goes running		21:32
+perlDreamer	We're under three pages of bugs now	21:32
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WebGUI	hi there	21:35
ckotil	Any plan to allow multiple groups be allowed to view/edit an asset? without doing groups of groups	21:35
@preaction	ckotil: patspam has been working on a thing called "Flux" that might handle what you want. otherwise there's no plan for it yet. perhaps an RFE for it?	21:35
ckotil	cool. yeah, might as well	21:36
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8793 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	21:54
CIA-41	WebGUI: Note that adding an RTE toolbar button does not guarantee that	21:54
CIA-41	WebGUI: the functionality it provides will work. The Valid Elements	21:54
CIA-41	WebGUI: property also needs to be updated.	21:54
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8794 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update RTE docs for adding toolbar buttons AND Valid Elements	21:54
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+perlDreamer	snapcount, for your WSClient patch, what do you want the attribution to be in the change log?	23:56
+perlDreamer	Roy Johnson, ExploreOS?	23:56
+snapcount	huh?	23:59
+snapcount	oh	23:59
--- Day changed Thu Dec 04 2008
+snapcount	actually HD Publishing Group, Inc.	00:00
+perlDreamer	since you provided a patch	00:00
+perlDreamer	will do	00:00
+snapcount	or Death, Inc.	00:00
+perlDreamer	not Guitar Hero Wannabe's of Florida ?	00:00
+snapcount	hahah	00:00
+snapcount	I have not given up on our plot to take over all of the nation's Papa Johns	00:01
+perlDreamer	with the new Shop, it will be easier	00:01
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+snapcount	thanks for getting that in Colin, I appreciate it	00:03
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+perlDreamer	You're welcome.	00:03
+perlDreamer	I won't miss the WSClient, but I'm glad you find it useful.	00:04
+snapcount	we have a little SOAP service that returns sales statistics	00:04
+snapcount	and we use it in the footer of our intranet to show everyone how we're doing for the day	00:04
@preaction	my question is, we're getting rid of it, sure, but can it be fixed at all?	00:06
@preaction	i mean, is it possible, given the scope of the thing?	00:06
+snapcount	well it works for our specific instance with that patch	00:07
+snapcount	it probably won't work for anything else though lol	00:07
+snapcount	perlDreamer I'm coming to OSCon this year	00:07
+snapcount	and the WUC	00:07
+perlDreamer	cool. I wish I could	00:07
+perlDreamer	OSCON, that is	00:07
+perlDreamer	but it's in California in 2009	00:08
+snapcount	yeah that's still close man	00:08
+snapcount	=)	00:08
+snapcount	road trip!	00:08
+perlDreamer	we'll see how perlDreamer does this year in business	00:08
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8795 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): patch to stop WSClient from dying if there is no data to show	00:24
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8796 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: international characters are corrupted on export	00:24
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8797 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: filtering of rich text areas very slow for large content	00:24
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8798 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: FormValidator doesn't need to handle defaults, the Forms API already does that	00:24
+snapcount	so is using && not PBP or is that one of them numerical -vs- string operator deals perlDreamer?	00:35
+perlDreamer	I was lazy and my fingers typed and	00:36
+snapcount	oh ok haha	00:36
+perlDreamer	I didn't download and apply the patch	00:36
+snapcount	I don't get to program as much anymore	00:36
+perlDreamer	that's a bummer	00:36
+snapcount	wanted to make sure I'm not slacking on my Perl =)	00:36
+perlDreamer	I'm programming a lot, so it probably balances out	00:36
+perlDreamer	why doesn't mysql like `users.userId` ?	00:37
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apeiron	snapcount, && , and are different, to be used in different cases. They differ in terms of predence, meaning that expressions bound to && are evaluated first.	00:40
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+perlDreamer	rizen: would it be very bad to have the Asset Aspect comment text area use WebGUI::HTML::format so that newlines are obeyed, and other unsafe characters are commented out?	00:45
@rizen	no, i thought i made it do that	00:45
@rizen	go ahead	00:46
+perlDreamer	thanks :)	00:46
@rizen	not on save though...on display	00:46
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+perlDreamer	right, only on display	00:51
+perlDreamer	I've never looked in the Aspect code before. It's very clean.	00:59
Mech422	yawn morning all	01:01
Mech422	perlDreamer: I'm finally getting back to work after the holidays, and had a question..	01:02
+perlDreamer	ask away, Mech422	01:02
Mech422	perlDreamer: I need to make a change so that editing a user profile fires a work flow event..	01:02
+perlDreamer	I remember this talk...	01:03
Mech422	and preaction mentioned there was some code in place already to fire an event when the admin made changes	01:03
Mech422	right...	01:03
Mech422	so I'm looking in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account	01:03
Mech422	but I don't see anything in Profile.pm or User.pm that appears to check for admin priviledges or fire an event ?	01:04
+perlDreamer	It would be (or was in) Operation/User.pm	01:04
Mech422	what does 'event firing code' look like in webgui ? ($self->event->first('update') ? Ahh... i'm looking in the wrong spot....	01:04
@rizen	thanks for the compliment perlDreamer	01:05
+perlDreamer	in WebGUI, most forms are two parts	01:05
+perlDreamer	www_{action}	01:05
+perlDreamer	and www_{actionSave}	01:05
+perlDreamer	it's the second that you're looking for in Operation/User.pm	01:05
+perlDreamer	www_editUserSave	01:05
+perlDreamer	look around lines 516	01:06
Mech422	perlDreamer: yeah - I saw code like that in Account.pm and User.pm... I thought those were the ones	01:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8799 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make UserList handle profile fields with spaces in their field names	01:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8800 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting UserList profile field name bug fix	01:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8801 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Comments.pm): Have AssetAspect comment format its content as HTML, not text.	01:06
+perlDreamer	there's workflow code for a new user, and an existing user	01:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8802 /experimental/Automat/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm sbin/getmaildomains.pl): script to link everyone.net mail servers to automat sites	01:06
Mech422	perlDreamer: oh - Operation/User.pm is deprecated...	01:07
Mech422	perlDreamer: it says to use Account::Profile instead	01:07
Mech422	stupid irc client... make that Account: : Profile	01:07
+perlDreamer	sure, but that's where to find the code that you're looking for	01:07
@rizen	you may need to talk to khenn about that...he may have forgotten to put the triggers back in when i was rewriting all the account stuff	01:08
+perlDreamer	then you can add that to Account::Profile to do what you wish	01:08
+perlDreamer	the triggers are still in there	01:08
@rizen	ok	01:08
@rizen	nevermind then	01:08
Mech422	perlDreamer: ahh - ok	01:08
+perlDreamer	line 516	01:08
+perlDreamer	and I don't see any deprecation notices in Operation/User.pm	01:08
+perlDreamer	where are they?	01:08
+perlDreamer	gotta run a quick errand, I should be back in 30 minutes or so	01:09
Mech422	perlDreamer: got it... sweet :-) .. Thanks :-)	01:09
Mech422	perlDreamer: sorry - it was profile.pm that was deprecated	01:10
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Mech422	(my up-arrow (command recall) nabbed the wrong file :-P )	01:10
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+perlDreamer	back	01:29
+perlDreamer	THINGY SUCKS	01:32
Mech422	perlDreamer: eh? I thought thingy was the new 'golden boy' webgui plugin ?	01:33
Mech422	perlDreamer: btw - I think I found a small bug with this event code	01:33
+perlDreamer	oh? Cool! Do share.	01:33
Mech422	perldreamer: in user.pm line 516+/- its firing the runOnAdminCreateUser and runOnAdminUpdateUser events	01:34
Mech422	thing is - it might not be the Admin thats doing the updates	01:35
Mech422	its actually just anyone for which CanEdit($session) is true	01:35
Mech422	(or canAdd($session) is true )	01:36
Mech422	so user 'steve' editing 'steve's user profile would fire the runOnAdminUpdateUser event ?	01:36
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+perlDreamer	Mech422, that's actually by design	01:42
+perlDreamer	there are several groups of people who can edit users through the admin interface	01:42
+perlDreamer	just check out the canAdd and canEdit methods for the details on it	01:43
Mech422	ahh - in that case - I don't need to do anything	01:43
+perlDreamer	no, it should be fine	01:43
Mech422	I can just add a workflow on the runOnAdminUpdateUser event	01:43
+perlDreamer	No.	01:43
Mech422	and it will get fired even if 'steve' modifies 'steve's profile ?	01:43
+perlDreamer	When Steve modifies his own profile, it comes out of Account/Profile.pm	01:44
+perlDreamer	the code in Operation/User.pm is for Admins only	01:44
Mech422	ahh..	01:44
+perlDreamer	so you need to build in a trigger for Account/Profile.pm	01:44
+perlDreamer	and then you'd also add a new setting in Operation/Setting	01:44
Mech422	ok - so should I create a new 'event' in Profile.pm or just use runOnAdminUpdateUser ?	01:44
+perlDreamer	to allow admins to choose which workflow is run	01:45
+perlDreamer	Workflow::Instance->create({})->start is the "event"	01:45
+perlDreamer	now you have to tell it what data to run	01:45
Mech422	ok - I see the @fields stuff for 'workflow' in settings..	01:48
Mech422	I can just add an arbitrary key ( name => 'runOnUpdateUser') there, or is there some 'schema' somewhere that needs it as well ?	01:49
+perlDreamer	to add a new setting, use the settings sub object in $session	01:50
+perlDreamer	$session->setting->add(name, defaultValue);	01:51
+perlDreamer	then, you can add code to Operation/Settings to handle the UI for it	01:51
+perlDreamer	actually, hold on a second	01:51
+perlDreamer	Account plugins can have their own edit screens	01:51
+perlDreamer	it would be better to add the UI code in Account/Profile.pm	01:53
+perlDreamer	so, to review.	01:53
+perlDreamer	1) Build an update-type script that adds the setting to the db	01:53
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+perlDreamer	2) Modify Account/Profile to add the UI to pick the workflow	01:54
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+perlDreamer	3) Modify Account/Profile to add the firing code inside www_editSave, if there are no errors	01:54
Mech422	Hmm ...	01:57
Mech422	this whole db thing is gonna take some getting used to	01:58
Mech422	Do you have some sort of deployment script you use for making sure you don't forget to run lil one-off scripts like this when you deploy a live site ?	01:59
Mech422	or do people just dump and restore the DB when they migrate/deploy a site ?	02:00
+perlDreamer	Mech422, see docs/upgrades/upgrade_v1_v2.pl	02:04
+perlDreamer	also, I'm sure that rizen and crew have provisioning scripts for handling custom code along with merging in new code from the core.	02:05
@rizen	mech422 what do you mean "migrate" / "deploy" a site?	02:06
Mech422	perlDreamer: its nice there's an update skeleton in that dir :-)	02:07
Mech422	rizen: we generally build sites on a 'dev' server, and deploy the finished sites on a seperate production server	02:08
@rizen	interesting	02:08
@rizen	when you say "build" are we talking site content, or code	02:08
Mech422	rizen: also, if we update a site (other then trivial css type changes)	02:08
+perlDreamer	Haarg: did you fix this bug already?	02:09
Mech422	we pull the site back from the production server to a 'dev' server	02:09
+perlDreamer	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/thingy-next-page-broken-on-initial-page	02:09
Mech422	rizen: typically - both...	02:09
@rizen	Mech422: with webgui i wouldn't recommend using your old model	02:09
Mech422	rizen: mostly its for the code, skinning etc	02:09
@rizen	do all content on the production server all the time	02:09
@rizen	templates are content as far as webgui is concerned	02:09
@rizen	that's why there is a versioning system	02:10
Mech422	rizen: but that generally requires getting some content in just to see how stuff looks/works/etc	02:10
@rizen	again, that's why there's a versioning system	02:10
@rizen	the problem you'll have if you do what you're saying	02:10
@rizen	on anything other than a brochureware site	02:10
@rizen	is syncing content that gets updated on prod	02:10
@rizen	to your dev server	02:10
@rizen	and back	02:10
@rizen	like forums	02:10
@rizen	wiki pages	02:10
@rizen	poll results	02:10
@rizen	etc	02:10
+perlDreamer	user profile data	02:11
Mech422	oh yeah - thats a given	02:11
@rizen	that's why you should do all content changes only on the production server	02:11
Mech422	you don't expect the dev server to stay in sync if your updating a 'live' site	02:11
@rizen	now, if you do have something you want to change on a dev server, make a package from the production server	02:11
@rizen	deploy it on dev	02:11
@rizen	edit	02:11
@rizen	export from dev	02:11
@rizen	and import back into prod	02:11
@rizen	but you shouldn't often need to do that	02:12
@rizen	as far as code changes are concerned...absolutely you should use a dev server	02:12
Mech422	could I update a production site with these user profile changes using that method ?	02:12
+perlDreamer	no	02:12
@rizen	no	02:12
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@rizen	only content is versioned	02:12
@rizen	user accounts and profiles aren't versioned	02:12
@rizen	and therefore isn't packagable	02:12
@rizen	you can only package assets	02:12
+perlDreamer	but you could apply code patches from your dev site to the production site.	02:13
+perlDreamer	but not data, just like rizen said	02:13
Mech422	right - or VCS	02:13
+perlDreamer	sure	02:13
@rizen	we absolutely do sync prod sites down to dev servers so that we can test on "real" data	02:13
@rizen	and in those cases, we just take a backup file (created by the wre) and restore it on the dev server	02:14
@rizen	but we only use dev servers for code changes	02:14
@rizen	testing out content migration processes	02:14
@rizen	new plugins	02:14
@rizen	etc	02:14
Mech422	I'll have to work this out in more detail as I go along... yeah, I don't expect to deal with content that way	02:15
Mech422	I just meant we end up with some 'testing' content on the dev. boxes	02:16
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Mech422	I basically need to come up with a quick and easy way to migrate site code bases from one place to another - sounds like a vcs system plus 'install' script would be the way to go	02:17
+perlDreamer	yes	02:18
Mech422	so I can hg clone myclientsite ; cd myclientsite ; ./setup_webgui ; echo "done - go get lunch" :-)	02:18
Mech422	anyway - gotta add this bit of fluff in before I worry about that	02:19
+perlDreamer	rizen, does the Dev Guide talk about handling custom code?	02:22
Mech422	perlDreamer: not from what I could see.... (as a newb )	02:23
@rizen	i don't think so	02:23
@rizen	i mean it talks about how to create it	02:23
@rizen	but not how to manage it	02:23
@rizen	Mech422 what we do is check out our custom code into a folder in /data	02:23
@rizen	like /data/Automat	02:23
@rizen	then we add /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom	02:24
@rizen	we put that folder in there	02:24
@rizen	so it loads in the code	02:24
@rizen	but is not mixed in with WebGUI	02:24
@rizen	and is still attached to the version control system	02:24
Mech422	that makes sense	02:24
@rizen	so we can just do "cd /data/Automat; svn update"	02:24
@rizen	and yes, we write install / upgrade scripts for those	02:25
Mech422	and then I could keep my 'install' script in there - to do whatever db updates are necessary for the custom code	02:25
@rizen	they are usually in /data/Automat/sbin	02:25
@rizen	for example	02:25
@rizen	exactly	02:25
@rizen	perlDreamer: you're right, i should write a chapter on that	02:26
+perlDreamer	it will give you something to write this year, before the WUC	02:26
@rizen	yeah, i want to put out new versions of all our books before the wuc this year	02:27
@rizen	or rather, release them at the WUC	02:27
@rizen	we're already working on the next design guide	02:27
@rizen	and kristi will be putting out the 7.6 version of the CM guide in february	02:28
@rizen	and the 7.7 version at the WUC	02:28
@rizen	but the commerce, dev, and admin guides should all be updated for the wuc as well	02:29
patspam	perlmonkey2: ping	02:43
+perlDreamer	arrrgh!	02:43
+perlDreamer	User profiling is broken.	02:43
+perlDreamer	It doesn't handle spaces in the field names	02:43
+perlDreamer	it doesn't tell you if you duplicate a field	02:44
@rizen	blame Haarg. he's not here to defend himself	02:53
+perlDreamer	khenn is my usual go to guy.	03:01
+perlDreamer	He always makes me eat my words :)	03:02
+perlDreamer	and he did do the last profile related work with Account	03:02
+perlDreamer	so even though the bugs are in 7.5, he must be responsible for the	03:02
+perlDreamer	m	03:02
@rizen	true, but he can actually defend himself	03:02
@rizen	though i never tell him that	03:02
@rizen	pretty much every conversation i have with him ends with him saying "i hate you"	03:03
@rizen	but in a good way	03:03
+perlDreamer	hate is only orthogonal to love, not an full opposite	03:03
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8803 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm:	03:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: Survey bug fix - showProgress, showTimeLimit and timeLimit should not be	03:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: stored at the response level (they are global to asset instance)	03:06
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CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8804 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js:	03:32
CIA-41	WebGUI: Fixed some curly Survey js type casting bugs so that	03:32
CIA-41	WebGUI: questionsOnSectionPage, everyPageText and everyPageTitle work as	03:32
CIA-41	WebGUI: expected.	03:32
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8805 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Cherry-picked latest Survey bug fixes from master	03:32
@khenn	I don't accept blame for anything	04:11
@khenn	it's all rizen's fault	04:11
@preaction	heh, we all know whose fault it really is	04:51
@preaction	JAMIE VRBSKY	04:51
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patspam	does the template syntax highlighter resizer work for anyone in any of the recent betas?	05:03
@perlmonkey2	patspam: pong	05:03
@preaction	it's ... weird	05:04
@preaction	you have to click it, then drag mouse, then click to drop it	05:04
patspam	lol, two of use here just went "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh"	05:05
patspam	use/us	05:05
patspam	perlmonkey2: hey man	05:06
@perlmonkey2	patspam: word yo	05:07
patspam	I'm going to change the <font color="red">*</font> for required fields to use CSS so that it can be skinned	05:07
@perlmonkey2	sounds groovy	05:08
patspam	I was going to ask you something before... oh yeah	05:09
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patspam	showProgress, showTimeLimit and timeLimit were being stored at the response level, which was kinda confusing if you changed them at the asset level and then wondered why some users who were halfway through a survey didn't see the change	05:10
patspam	i switched them over to just use $self->get('showProgress') etc.. rather than storing/retrieving at the response level, didn't seem to be any need to have them there	05:10
patspam	just wanted to check there wasn't some subtle ninja reason for having them stored on a per-response basis	05:12
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CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8806 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js):	06:16
CIA-41	WebGUI: Flagging of invalid Survey fields now uses CSS classes instead of <font> tags	06:16
CIA-41	WebGUI: (for skinnability)	06:16
@perlmonkey2	patspam: I did that so that there wouldn't need to be an additional DB query.	06:17
@perlmonkey2	patspam: I'm not sure why you would change the time limits in the middle of an open survey. And if you did change the time limits, would you want the changes to affect people already in the middle of a survey? Plus you get the extra DB call.	06:22
patspam	yo	06:23
patspam	not following on why there would be an extra db query?	06:23
@perlmonkey2	is the ->get call not hitting the DB? Or are the asset's params loaded into memory upon creation?	06:26
patspam	yeah i think Asset.pm pulls them all in at once	06:27
@perlmonkey2	hmm, it does appear to do so. cool then, sounds good.	06:31
patspam	I think I'm going to have to name my first born child git	06:35
patspam	i just got sent a link to a zoomerang survey, interesting to check out the competition :)	06:37
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sduensin	Hello -- sorta!	17:46
npinansky	Is there a specific API i should query to get the status of workflow instances?	17:51
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@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: do you know anything about those IRS rebate rules? Is that just a tax writeoff?	18:33
+perlDreamer	I think it's a tax rebate.	18:33
@perlmonkey2	That will be brilliant then :D	18:34
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: What's the part that regulates the AC current from the turbine into 110/220? That's another expensive part I might be able to find cheaper.	18:35
+perlDreamer	Good question. It may be called an inverter.	18:36
+perlDreamer	Everything I've done for the past 13 years has been all DC current.	18:36
nuba	is this some space rocket DIY project youre doing in your garage?	18:36
+perlDreamer	No AC or power work.	18:36
+perlDreamer	It's one of the reasons I went into microelectronics	18:36
+perlDreamer	You can't really get hurt by most 5V sources	18:36
+perlDreamer	I worked for Freightliner for 6 months.	18:36
+perlDreamer	I was told once not to touch an insulated stud connected to several large wires	18:37
+perlDreamer	When I asked why, I was told there was 300 amps going through it	18:37
+perlDreamer	it kind of killed my interest in high power applications	18:37
+perlDreamer	I know it's silly, but I have this thing about fatal electrical burns	18:37
* perlDreamer goes to the gym, bbl		18:38
nuba	I can simpathize with that	18:38
sduensin	Gym??? Some geek you are.	18:38
nuba	not with the gym	18:38
nuba	sympathize with the high power thing	18:39
sduensin	Oh yea. I dont play with that crap either.	18:40
sduensin	This frickin drive upgrade is taking too long... I got code to write!	18:41
nuba	on the other hand, being close to these things contribute to less dull moments in the job	18:43
nuba	not to mention internal jokes and pranks like "hey, can you stick this post it there for me, please!" among the staff	18:43
nuba	pretty lively	18:44
sduensin	Hehehe	18:44
nuba	and deadly	18:44
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sduensin	Well, yea. But as long as its funny. :-)	18:46
@perlmonkey2	nuba: this is for a DIY wind turbine project :)	18:55
nuba	whoa	18:55
nuba	impressive	18:55
nuba	this is surely going to blow people's socks off! :D	18:56
@perlmonkey2	nuba: we'll see. My dad and uncle and I are going in on all the welding supplies, but we've yet to find a good enough deal that we all agree on it.	18:58
ckotil	Calendar feed updates are giving me lots and lots of version tags.	19:01
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SDuensin	Back.	19:15
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sandraqu	hi	19:27
SDuensin	howdy	19:27
sandraqu	would someone guide me in using putty to login as a root user via SSH?	19:27
nuba	in the host field, add the name of the machine or ip address	19:28
sandraqu	hi sduensin	19:28
nuba	port is most likely 22	19:28
nuba	connect	19:28
nuba	you'll be asked to confirm the server's key fingerprint	19:28
nuba	then you'll see a blank term window while putty handshakes the server and gets a connection going	19:29
nuba	then you'll be asked to provide the username	19:29
nuba	then the password	19:29
nuba	and if you do it right	19:29
nuba	next thing is a shell prompt at the box	19:30
sandraqu	what if i can't find the root and passwd. i know that sounds sketchy	19:30
nuba	well, if you have a non-root account there	19:30
nuba	you can use that account and use sudo, if it was configured for you	19:30
nuba	by a sysadmin	19:30
sandraqu	could i get the cmd prompt to list them without being logged in?	19:30
nuba	of the box	19:30
nuba	cant get a cmd prompt without valid user account	19:31
sandraqu	is there a generic user/pass?	19:31
nuba	get in touch with the box's sysadmin	19:31
nuba	nope	19:31
sandraqu	is root usually root?	19:31
sandraqu	admin?	19:31
nuba	LOL, no	19:31
nuba	that'd be a security hole like the meteor crater in arizona	19:31
nuba	thres no such ting	19:32
nuba	theres* thing*	19:32
nuba	contact the box's admin	19:32
sandraqu	...	19:32
sandraqu	nuba, short of calling webGUI, i'm one of the admin's	19:33
sandraqu	i just dont' use ssh all that often, especially webGui's	19:33
nuba	oh. well, you should contact the admin who's got the root pwd	19:34
sandraqu	yes	19:34
nuba	and ask him to help you get your account going	19:34
sandraqu	it's a her	19:35
SDuensin	Hers have passwords, too.	19:35
sandraqu	:]	19:35
nuba	be nice to her	19:35
nuba	ask politely	19:36
nuba	she might even give you the root pwd	19:36
nuba	:D	19:36
SDuensin	hehe	19:36
sandraqu	alright	19:36
sandraqu	off i go	19:36
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nuba	that was funny	19:36
nuba	needs to improve his social engineering skills, tho	19:37
SDuensin	Reminds me of the time I got a call from someone on the third floor having problems logging in... In a two story building.	19:38
nuba	SDuensin: want to know the universal 'Hers' password?	19:38
nuba	get close to her and whisper '75% OFF'	19:38
nuba	she'll go mad and overflow	19:38
nuba	:D	19:38
SDuensin	hehe	19:39
SDuensin	Not my wife. She'd be like, "Of what? What are you buying NOW?" :-)	19:39
nuba	actually thats from a standup comedian, dont remember her name now...	19:39
nuba	here, wife agreed yesterday to friendly divorce	19:40
nuba	gotta act swiftly, before she changes her mind..	19:41
SDuensin	Sorry to hear that. I think.	19:41
SDuensin	My wife rocks. (I do buy a lot!)	19:41
nuba	well, it'll be different, but I'm looking forward to it	19:41
nuba	have for some time now	19:41
SDuensin	As long as you're happy, I'm happy for you. :-)	19:42
nuba	we were fragile as a relationship a year ago. then she brought my mother-in-law to live with us. and the rest, they say, is history...	19:42
SDuensin	Ooo. Yea. I can see how that'd be bad.	19:42
SDuensin	Actually, I quite like all my wife's family. They're a lot like mine. Got lucky, I guess.	19:44
nuba	probably	19:44
nuba	if its working, and fulfilling, I'd say 'stick with it'	19:44
SDuensin	That's the plan, man.	19:44
@rizen	i don't even like my own family, let alone my wife's	19:45
nuba	heh	19:45
SDuensin	Although, I need to get this laptop back where it belongs before she gets home. :-D	19:45
SDuensin	rizen lives!	19:45
@rizen	just every other thursday	19:45
@rizen	the rest of the time i'm undead	19:45
SDuensin	Oddly, I believe that.	19:46
SDuensin	"Never could get the hang of thursdays."	19:46
nuba	here we had a regular Saturday From Hell	19:50
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sandraqu	hello again	19:51
nuba	when everybody would be aroun, and things would crash-n-burn	19:51
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sandraqu	i'm in. have a bash prompt. i want to install a macro :]	19:51
sandraqu	do i have to use sudo?	19:51
nuba	that was fast	19:52
SDuensin	Depends on a lot of things.	19:52
SDuensin	Are you in as root?	19:52
sandraqu	dunno	19:52
sandraqu	i'm in though	19:52
nuba	type whoami and press <ENTER>	19:52
sandraqu	the username is not root, if that's your question	19:52
nuba	or id	19:52
sandraqu	it returns the username i provide	19:52
sandraqu	d	19:53
nuba	which was	19:53
nuba	...?	19:53
sandraqu	my bosses	19:53
nuba	well it doesnt matter	19:53
SDuensin	No offense, but I think you need to brush up on your UNIX skills quite a bit before you go installing or altering anything.	19:53
nuba	you would have noticed if it were 'root'	19:53
sandraqu	SDue... don't worry	19:53
sandraqu	i crash things all the time	19:54
sandraqu	crash n learn, is what i like to call it	19:54
nuba	heh, sounds like me back in the days...	19:54
SDuensin	You can do a lot of damage as root. Just be sure the box is expendable. :-)	19:54
sandraqu	so nuba, since your more adventurous, should i just try to install the pm?	19:54
nuba	when I was a wise fool .. er.. guess Im still one... some things never change...	19:54
sandraqu	see if it works?	19:54
nuba	so, sandraqu, first rule of business	19:54
sandraqu	i guess.. is the bash prompt ok?	19:55
nuba	make a backup of what you have	19:55
nuba	so if you crash	19:55
nuba	you can CTRL+Z	19:55
nuba	and make your bosses happy again	19:55
sandraqu	nuba, i won't crash. i am not that much of a newbie, just not an everyday shell user	19:55
nuba	you know how to do a .tar.gz archive	19:55
nuba	?	19:55
nuba	and a mysqldump?	19:55
sandraqu	the system is backup up	19:55
nuba	check that	19:56
sandraqu	check the dummp?	19:56
nuba	you reall y want to watch your back	19:56
nuba	yeah, check if the backups are doing fine	19:56
sandraqu	we pay plainback to watch it for us	19:56
nuba	oh..	19:56
nuba	hey, youre a plainblack customer?	19:56
sandraqu	yes	19:56
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sandraqu	i know they can do this	19:57
nuba	maybe you could have them holding your hand in the process...	19:57
nuba	if its in your support plan	19:57
nuba	check with your customer representative	19:57
sandraqu	ii'm just trying to speed thngs up. if you would prefer.	19:57
sandraqu	alright nuba. you're not helping me anymore. thanks	19:57
nuba	wow youre quick to burn bridges	19:57
nuba	i didnt say that	19:58
sandraqu	oh	19:58
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sandraqu	sorry	19:58
sandraqu	nuba, i'm just trying to do this myself so that i can try out a macro	19:58
sandraqu	i have a monday deadline	19:58
nuba	okay, well what macro are you trying to install?	19:58
sandraqu	i have a guide, but thought to inquire here	19:58
sandraqu	the mail encode one	19:59
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nuba	if i recall correctly, you have to unpack it under /data/WebGUI	19:59
nuba	and enable it on your site's config file	19:59
nuba	which hangs at /data/WebGUI/etc/	19:59
sandraqu	yes	20:00
sandraqu	hmm	20:00
sandraqu	nuba, i'm at the bash prompt though.	20:00
sandraqu	i think i have to do be root	20:00
nuba	'sudo -s' will get you a root's shell, but that depends on how sudo is configured in the box	20:01
nuba	otherwise you can 'su -' too	20:01
nuba	but for this one you'll need to know the root's pwd	20:01
nuba	maybe you dont need the root's pwd	20:01
nuba	check your site's /data/WebGUI/etc/yoursitenamehere.conf	20:02
nuba	ls -l /data/WebGUI/etc/yoursitenamehere.conf	20:02
sandraqu	nuba... it now has a # isntead of $ at the end of the prompt (with sudo 0-s	20:02
nuba	see if its owned by your boss' user	20:02
nuba	type whoami	20:02
sandraqu	root	20:02
nuba	okay, youre root now, as you may have realised	20:02
sandraqu	yes	20:02
nuba	heh	20:02
nuba	so, unpack the macro	20:03
sandraqu	now. i have the pm downloaded locally	20:03
nuba	under /data/WeGUI/	20:03
nuba	if it was nicely packaged	20:03
sandraqu	is there an address i can type in the shell prompt to drag the pm from the bazaar into here?	20:03
nuba	it will extract something under /data/WebGUI/docs	20:03
nuba	for you to read	20:03
nuba	and it will extract the macro itself to /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro	20:04
nuba	its the .pm file	20:04
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nuba	if you need to install any additional modules, it should be saying so in the docs that came with it	20:05
nuba	otherwise you may peruse the .pm file yourself and use CPAN to install the modules	20:05
nuba	or just try to use it and see what error messages it'll spill out	20:05
nuba	and a crash-and-learn adept im guessing youll go with choice #3	20:05
sandraqu	nuba. ok. lemme try all those things	20:06
sandraqu	:]	20:06
sandraqu	i'll be back	20:06
SDuensin	We'll be here.	20:06
nuba	I might not be around, but im sure SDuensin will love to hint you in the proper path again, if needed ;D	20:07
nuba	right, SDuensin ?	20:07
SDuensin	Oh sure, run off and leave me.	20:07
nuba	LOL	20:07
+perlDreamer	ckotil, that bug has already been fixed. Check the bug board or changelog for which release it is fixed in.	20:07
+perlDreamer	well, a bug that sounds like that has been fixed.	20:09
sandraqu	hello - is there a way to copy the pm from my local machine onto the server via SSH?	20:09
nuba	scp file.pm me@remote.box.com:/path/there/	20:10
@preaction	sandraqu: yes. man scp	20:10
sandraqu	is there another way?	20:11
nuba	why dont you download it there?	20:12
+perlDreamer	sandraqu, it totally depends on the software installed on both machines	20:12
+perlDreamer	are you working with windows as your desktop?	20:12
nuba	instead of downloadin in your box and then having to figure out how to send it upstream?	20:12
sandraqu	perlD - windows right now	20:12
SDuensin	Might I add...Eww. :-)	20:13
+perlDreamer	sandraqu, nuba is right. It would be easier to download it right to the server.	20:13
nuba	putty has a scp thingy but its not very friendly	20:13
sandraqu	hey - i'd much rather be on my Mac	20:13
+perlDreamer	find the URL for downloading the macro that you want to install	20:13
nuba	do a wget http://url.here/foo.tar.gz	20:13
@preaction	windows has a GUI called "winscp"	20:13
+perlDreamer	exactly	20:13
sandraqu	nuba.. k	20:13
SDuensin	I gotta have Cygwin loaded if I'm in Windows.	20:14
sandraqu	pre - lemme try wget	20:14
sandraqu	Cygwin is good	20:14
nuba	if you dont have wget, try 'curl -O http://etc.etc./file.tgz'	20:14
nuba	ascii: my preferred SCP client on win32 is SSH.com's, but Im not finding it for download in their website anymore.	20:16
+perlDreamer	in perl, what binds tighter, parentheses, or logical OR ?	20:16
nuba	perlDreamer: youre asking for who has precedence?	20:17
ckotil	perlDreamer: ah, thanks	20:17
+perlDreamer	sure, like if I said return (this && that) \|\| other	20:17
nuba	parentheses are always used to override default operator precedence	20:17
@preaction	it would return 1 \|\| other depending on this && that	20:18
sandraqu	nuba - wget did the trick	20:18
sandraqu	be back	20:18
+perlDreamer	preaction, and not (return 1) \|\| other	20:18
@preaction	it's possible it could return that \|\| other	20:18
@preaction	oh, dunno	20:18
+perlDreamer	sounds like more testing is in order	20:19
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nuba	bbiaw	20:22
sandraqu	hello,	20:26
sandraqu	so i have the pm in the pm directory	20:26
sandraqu	now, i nkow i have to add it to some other file	20:26
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+perlDreamer	sandraqu, is the macro.pm file in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/ ?	20:28
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sandraqu	yes	20:29
+perlDreamer	okay, next check the permissions on the file.	20:29
+perlDreamer	it should have the same permissions as the other files in that directory	20:29
+perlDreamer	otherwise the web server won't be able to open it	20:30
sandraqu	same as most other	20:30
sandraqu	mostly read, unless owner	20:30
+perlDreamer	okay, the next thing to do then, is to edit the webgui config file	20:30
sandraqu	ah	20:31
+perlDreamer	it will be in /data/WebGUI/etc/	20:31
sandraqu		20:31
sandraqu	how many layers out is the from where i was?	20:32
+perlDreamer	is this server using the WRE?	20:33
sandraqu	perl... dunno	20:33
sandraqu	what is WRE?	20:33
+perlDreamer	do you have a directory called /data/wre ?	20:33
+perlDreamer	WRE is the WebGUI Runtime Environment	20:33
+perlDreamer	If you're using a plain black server, it is highly likely that you are	20:34
sandraqu	we are, so let's presume, yes	20:34
+perlDreamer	well, we can check by looking to see if you have that directory I mentioned above	20:34
sandraqu	perl, i do. i went tinot data/webGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro	20:35
sandraqu	i went out too far though	20:35
sandraqu	i'll begin again	20:35
sandraqu	or - how can i print where i am?	20:35
sandraqu	print directory	20:36
+perlDreamer	try doing ls -ld /data/wre and see what it says	20:36
sandraqu	got its listing	20:36
sandraqu	one	20:36
sandraqu	only one, that is	20:36
+perlDreamer	good, that's what we told it to do	20:36
sandraqu	so im in /data/WebGUI	20:37
+perlDreamer	cd etc	20:37
sandraqu	oh	20:37
sandraqu	oh.. good	20:38
+perlDreamer	inside there should be your webgui config files	20:38
sandraqu	good	20:38
sandraqu	yes	20:38
sandraqu	vi config file?	20:38
+perlDreamer	yes	20:38
+perlDreamer	you know vi. That is very good.	20:38
sandraqu	perlD, enough :]	20:38
sandraqu	i mean, i know it well enough	20:39
sandraqu	i see, so under macros	20:40
sandraqu	brb	20:40
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8808 /experimental/Automat/ (5 files in 3 dirs): mail server management	20:41
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8809 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (23 files in 2 dirs): a little cleanup in aisle 4	20:41
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8810 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (updatedns.pl createdns.pl): forgot to add these scripts	20:41
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8811 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: removed legacy code	20:41
+perlDreamer	just add an entry, like the others, for your new macro	20:42
+perlDreamer	be sure to put a comment at the end, unless it is the last macro in the list	20:42
sandraqu	perlD - the first part is the call i make from webGUI? and the latter the actual pm filename (sans the pm). yes?	20:43
+perlDreamer	yes	20:43
+perlDreamer	you should see the one for the gateway macro	20:43
+perlDreamer	as an example	20:43
+perlDreamer	"/" : "Slash_gatewayUrl",	20:44
+perlDreamer	so perhaps like this:	20:44
sandraqu	:wq ?	20:44
sandraqu	write quite	20:44
+perlDreamer	when you're done, yes	20:44
sandraqu	do i get to test now?	20:44
+perlDreamer	no	20:44
+perlDreamer	now you have to restart the server	20:44
+perlDreamer	for that, you need root permissions	20:44
sandraqu	hmm	20:45
sandraqu	i have	20:45
+perlDreamer	okay, first: cd /data/wre/sbin	20:45
sandraqu	i thnk i willnow defer to plainblack	20:45
sandraqu	the server drives many sites	20:45
sandraqu	perlD, what does sbin do?	20:46
+perlDreamer	inside sbin is an environment script which will guarantee you're using the WRE components, instead of the system defaults	20:46
+perlDreamer	as root, you should do: . ./setupEnvironment.sh	20:46
+perlDreamer	that's <dot> <space> <dot> <slash> setupEnvironment.sh	20:47
+perlDreamer	and then you can run a script which will restart the servers	20:48
+perlDreamer	but I agree that deferring to the experts is much safer and wiser	20:48
sandraqu	perlD. thank you for sharing your knowledge with me	20:49
+perlDreamer	you're welcome, sandraqu.	20:49
sandraqu	thanks to nuba too	20:49
sandraqu	and SDuensin	20:49
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sandraqu	no crash yet. lots o learn :]	20:49
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sduensin	Oops. Wrong button!	20:57
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@perlmonkey2	Yay for Paranoid::Debug freak'n me out and making me rush to see if my machine had just been turned into a smtp proxy.	21:06
+perlDreamer	awfully selfish of you not wanting to share your machine ;)	21:07
@perlmonkey2	awful paranoid of me to see a bunch of emails from my machine at the same time I'm trying to install a debugging module.	21:13
@perlmonkey2	hmm, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that wre 8.5 isn't compatiable with 7.3.17.	21:14
apeiron	hi, JSON 2.0	21:15
sduensin	8.5 is from the FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTURE!	21:15
@perlmonkey2	apeiron: yeah, nothing made me happier than to look into my logs and get a fun dose of the past with those neat-o JSON errors.	21:15
apeiron	perlmonkey2, I'm pretty sure there's a wiki page somewhere on how to get them to coexist...	21:16
@perlmonkey2	yeah, I probably remember off the top of my head. Just more fun to bitch about it here.	21:16
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nuba	back	21:55
@Haarg	perlmonkey2, if you have to deal with old versions of webgui, i would recommend using the Parse::PlainConfig off backpan instead of from cpan	22:03
@Haarg	there is a way to get the new JSON to play nice with the old code, but it only works to a certain extent	22:04
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: 8.1 with a few force installs made things easier.	22:04
@perlmonkey2	And I really don't need it to work well. Just work well enough that I can run upgrades against it.	22:05
@Haarg	yeah	22:05
@Haarg	i just didn't have a lot of luck with Paranoid	22:05
@Haarg	for json, doing something like sub JSON::autoconv { return shift } sub JSON::skipinvalid { return shift } in preload.perl or similar may be enough to get old code working with JSON 2.0	22:07
@perlmonkey2	hmm	22:08
@perlmonkey2	interesting	22:08
Bernd_	Any German native speaker online?	22:09
Bernd_	I do have a translation question.	22:09
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: Aren't you a native german speaker?	22:14
Bernd_	Yes!!! But still I am unable to come up with an appropriate translation for "tags".	22:15
Bernd_	Is it synonymous with "keywords"?	22:15
Bernd_	What's your opinion, perlDreamer?	22:15
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: tag in the context of "version tag", for example?	22:16
Bernd_	No, tags for photos in the gallery.	22:16
+perlDreamer	in that context, I think keywords is appropriate	22:17
Bernd_	Good. "Keyword" I am able to translate. Thanks!	22:18
+perlDreamer	as to the other usage, what do you call the pieces of paper on clothing that lists the price?	22:18
Bernd_	Etikett?	22:19
Bernd_	Preisschild?	22:19
Bernd_	Etikett might do as well.	22:19
+perlDreamer	version tag would have that kind of context	22:19
Bernd_	But I think it is rather unusual and what confuse most users.	22:19
+perlDreamer	something descriptive stuck onto something else	22:19
Bernd_	would	22:19
Bernd_	I think you got me wrong. I know what a tag is.	22:20
+perlDreamer	oh, sorry	22:21
Bernd_	I just think there is no equivalent word in the context of tagging photos.	22:21
Bernd_	No problem.	22:21
Bernd_	It is an honor to be taught by perlDreamer ;-)	22:21
+perlDreamer	thanks :)	22:21
Bernd_	You are welcome!	22:21
Bernd_	How is hacking going?	22:21
+perlDreamer	it's going okay	22:26
+perlDreamer	I'm staying very busy	22:26
+perlDreamer	fixing bugs, and writing tests for the Survey	22:26
Bernd_	Leave something to the others :-P	22:27
+perlDreamer	unfortunately, there are no lack of bugs to be fixed, or tests to be written	22:27
+perlDreamer	although, perlmonkey2 is making it very hard to find bugs in his code	22:28
@perlmonkey2	yeah right	22:28
@preaction	that jerk	22:28
@preaction	he should make more bugs so they're easier to find	22:28
+perlDreamer	indeed	22:28
Bernd_	Ugh, for a moment I was worried that plain black would run out of work ...	22:28
+perlDreamer	uh, no. They still have other coders to insert bugs.	22:29
Bernd_	Are they doing it on purpose?	22:29
Bernd_	Because I suspect so!	22:29
Bernd_	Or why are there so many?	22:29
+perlDreamer	partially due to the Bazaar, and the Helpdesk applications	22:29
+perlDreamer	they are very new, and people really like to use them	22:30
Bernd_	The HelpDesk is indeed buggy.	22:31
+perlDreamer	it should get a little better today. I fixed a bug in some of the core code that it uses.	22:31
Bernd_	Or was at least.	22:31
+perlDreamer	so at least it will format comments nicely	22:32
Bernd_	Will I be able to open bug views again?	22:32
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Bernd_	Cool, did you include some link-recognition?	22:32
Bernd_	I had suggested that to rizen already.	22:33
+perlDreamer	No, but it will handle newlines, and escape unsafe characters	22:33
Bernd_	There is a CPAN module for doing that.	22:33
+perlDreamer	link recognition would be a nice feature, but that would be an RFE	22:33
Bernd_	Should not be too difficult.	22:33
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: in the upgrades, the site I'm upgrading is using latin1 as table encoding and collation. I should switch that to utf8, right?	22:33
Bernd_	And would be very helpful indeed.	22:33
@Haarg	in the upgrades?	22:33
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: the special upgrade I'm doing.	22:33
topsub	can asset proxy's be relative?	22:34
@Haarg	the 7.5 upgrade should handle that	22:34
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SDuensin	BACK AT LAST!	22:35
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: please give commit 8813 a quick once over and let me know if that refactor is okay?	22:50
@perlmonkey2	k	22:50
@preaction	topsub: no	22:50
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8813	22:50
@preaction	topsub: but you can do: ^AssetProxy(<tmpl_var url>/something);	22:51
+perlDreamer	topsub, but since url's are strings, you can use macros to build relative urls	22:51
+perlDreamer	also, see the RootUrl macro in the Bazaar	22:51
topsub	ah, alright we are running multi sites from 1 webgui and looking at how to solve each site having different theme	22:52
topsub	without having to redo the URLs everytime you want to setup a new site with a theme	22:52
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+perlDreamer	It may be dangerous to hack while in a recliner	23:04
@perlmonkey2	preaction: looks good, but I thought I was using the correct perltidy template. Did you correct those by hand or with perltidy?	23:04
@perlmonkey2	perltidy config I mean	23:04
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I mean, not preaction	23:05
+perlDreamer	The correction is inside a test. Your code looks fine	23:05
+perlDreamer	I needed less vertical space	23:05
+perlDreamer	so i could see the whole data strucutre	23:05
+perlDreamer	on 1 page	23:05
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: this seemed interesting though: my @types = $self->getValidQuestionTypes();	23:06
@perlmonkey2	Just trying to prettify things?	23:07
+perlDreamer	well, sort of =)	23:07
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+perlDreamer	I didn't want to duplicate the list of valid question types	23:07
@perlmonkey2	oh, good call.	23:07
+perlDreamer	so by refactoring it out, I can call it in the test to get the list	23:07
+perlDreamer	although, I did do all the basic data types by hand, so going forward changes have to be made in both places.	23:08
+perlDreamer	I don't really like doing that, but it's a great reminder to update template variables and the like	23:08
+perlDreamer	when the code behind them change	23:08
@perlmonkey2	maybe if this thing every gets settled down, the questions can be pulled out into Form and then the Form entries can have their individual templates and JS attached to them. Would be nice to pull all that logic out of the Survey.	23:09
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+perlDreamer	would we reuse it elsewhere?	23:09
+perlDreamer	and the corresponding parts of the updateQuestionAnswers depends on those	23:10
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I can see the ajax'd form types being pulled out of the survey and being very useful elsewhere.	23:11
@perlmonkey2	but there would have to be be some surrounding framework devised. Sounds like something that needs to be grown iteratively rather than designed.	23:12
+perlDreamer	I see	23:13
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@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I don't know, am I wrong? Is there already an agreed upon framework for implementing ajax'd forms?	23:19
+perlDreamer	No, there's no framework yet. I was responding to the evolved vs designed idea.	23:19
+perlDreamer	I like it	23:19
+perlDreamer	sometimes things can be overdesigned	23:20
+perlDreamer	or not extensible enough	23:20
+perlDreamer	rizen: the bummer about Plain Black shirts is that they don't hide pumpkin soup stains	23:30
@rizen	do any shirts hide pumpkin soup stains?	23:30
SDuensin	Orange ones.	23:31
+perlDreamer	some plaids do well	23:31
SDuensin	Tie-dye!	23:31
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@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: why would anyone waste a perfectly good pumpkin on soup? Is there such a plethora of pumpkin pie, that you would squander them on soup? Sir, I think not.	23:38
SDuensin	perlmonkey2, we're talking about rizen here.	23:38
+perlDreamer	You'll have to convince Koen and my wife of that. I am only a consumer of locally, produced, freely available food here :)	23:38
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@rizen	given the choice between pie and soup, i take pie every day of the week	23:40
+perlDreamer	chicken noodle pie, mmmmmm	23:41
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@preaction	two questions for those at home:	00:32
@preaction	1) Would storing prepared SQL statements so they don't have to be prepared ever again during the current request count as "caching" and should "disableCache" disable this functionality?	00:32
@preaction	2) Is a performance increase that is only significant when caching is disabled still a performance increase? It's in WebGUI::SQL::buildArray and WebGUI::SQL::buildArrayRef	00:33
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+perlDreamer	I don't see any performance increase in buildArray	00:38
+perlDreamer	or buildArrayRef	00:39
@preaction	it's not committed yet	00:39
+perlDreamer	if it slows wG down overall, it doesn't seem like an increase to me	00:39
+perlDreamer	the common case is with caching?	00:39
@preaction	it doesn't, in speeds up wg overall, but just slightly	00:39
@preaction	when caching is off you see the real benefit	00:39
@preaction	otherwise the new code rarely gets hit	00:40
@preaction	because there are caching mechanisms in front of it	00:40
@preaction	for a single page view, it's a 1/3 performance increase (60s to 40s)	00:40
+perlDreamer	40 second page view?	00:41
+perlDreamer	no way	00:41
@preaction	for the routines themselves, it's a 2fold increase	00:41
@preaction	caching is disabled	00:41
@preaction	you'd be surprised how slow wg is with caching disabled	00:41
+perlDreamer	I don't think that storing statements counts as caching	00:41
+perlDreamer	since it would return different data with different params, or at different times	00:41
+perlDreamer	and does all this code have tests? and will it violate the 7.6 feature freeze?	00:42
@preaction	it's deep in WebGUI::SQL, so i suspect it has tests, if not i'll have to do it	00:43
@preaction	no, performance increases aren't features	00:43
@preaction	the API isn't changing at all, just how the work gets done	00:43
* perlDreamer pastes that one for future reference ;)		00:43
@preaction	it depends on how the performance is getting increased	00:44
@preaction	if i started moving features around and changing APIs and stuff, then i would consider making it beta for a while	00:44
@preaction	especially if i was working with untested stuff	00:44
@preaction	i really need to get Coverage reports working. JT says he'll write tests if he can see a number	00:45
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+perlDreamer	if you're tied for time, just send me the script	00:47
+perlDreamer	coverage tests should be about 20 characters of change or so	00:47
@preaction	one sec	00:47
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+perlDreamer	but be warned, coverage tests for all of wG will be BIG and SLOW	00:47
@preaction	how big? too big to upload via WWW::Mechanize?	00:48
@preaction	i was thinking making it a ZipArchive asset	00:48
+perlDreamer	12 Mb	00:48
@preaction	ha, the test box is DOWN, which might be why tests aren't getting run	00:48
+perlDreamer	look in the dev list, I may have uploaded a copy last year about this time	00:49
+perlDreamer	zipped, about 12 Mb.	00:49
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: strongly resisting the temptation to add easter eggs to survey type answers	00:49
+perlDreamer	Would redneck come before or after conservative in Ideology?	00:50
@preaction	i would consider them equal and awful	00:50
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@preaction	perlDreamer: you have a login to my systems	00:50
+perlDreamer	PM me a hostname, username and passwd, please	00:50
apeiron	redneck is more a lifestyle, independent of ideology.	00:51
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+perlDreamer	Do people who send out SPAM know they're scum, or are they just ignorant?	02:47
@preaction	money, they get money, so they're okay with themselves	02:50
@preaction	i've thought about it	02:50
+perlDreamer	really?	02:50
@preaction	money for nothing, sure why not?	02:51
+perlDreamer	well, then you'd get the chicks for free	02:54
+perlDreamer	that ain't working	02:54
@preaction	that's the way you do it!	02:54
+perlDreamer	indeed	02:54
@preaction	I WANT MY EMPTY-VEE	02:54
@preaction	i also want pandora to stop screwing around	02:55
+perlDreamer	pandora?	02:55
+perlDreamer	she opened the box	02:55
+perlDreamer	what more do you want?	02:55
@preaction	www.pandora.com <- only the greatest free music service EVAR	02:55
+Radix-wrk	last.fm?	02:56
@preaction	paltry in comparison!	02:56
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: SurveyJSON has 96% test coverage	02:56
+Radix-wrk	pandora.com goes to a blank page for me	02:56
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: all the rednecks are covered?	02:56
+perlDreamer	yup	02:57
@preaction	Radix-wrk: pandora seems down atm, it will come up shortly i suspect	02:59
+Radix-wrk	must be reeeallly good then if they can't even keep a server up ;)	02:59
@preaction	yay! it's back up!	03:04
@preaction	perlDreamer: Devel::Cover is installed on the test box now. the date was completely wrong which was causing the makefile to get regenerated	03:04
apeiron	preaction, You forget that those outside of the US may not be able to access it.	03:04
@preaction	it thought it was March 05, 08	03:04
+perlDreamer	March was good	03:05
* apeiron shakes fist and spits at the RIAA		03:05
+perlDreamer	I was employed then	03:05
@preaction	apeiron: i hope not	03:05
@preaction	it's got a lot of foreign music on it	03:05
apeiron	preaction, No, it's certainly true.	03:05
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patspam	would one of the PB folks be able to create a survey-rfe branch where we can put new survey features until the feature freeze is lifted?	04:42
patspam	actually, the WebGUI_Survey2 branch still exists, maybe we should just use that?	04:43
@preaction	patspam: you have committer access, you can just: svn mkdir https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/Patbranch	04:43
patspam	ah cool, thanks preaction	04:44
patspam	good/bad idea to hijack the WebGUI_Survey2? I don't think it's being used any more by perlmonkey2?	04:45
@preaction	if he's not using it he should probably delete it, just for the history's sake	04:48
patspam	ok, cool. I'll create a new branch for the new stuff	04:48
patspam	https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/survey-rfe lives!	04:56
patspam	perlmonkey2: ping	05:00
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@perlmonkey2	patspam: pong	05:59
patspam	hey man!	06:00
+perlDreamer	I'm out for a while, being Daddy dentist...	06:00
patspam	been talking to people today about advanced survey branching	06:01
patspam	just drafting up an rfe for it now	06:01
@perlmonkey2	anything interesting?	06:01
patspam	yeah, although you might have already thought of this	06:01
patspam	we want to let the survey creator enter an expression made up of section/question/answer vars to define the branch condition	06:02
patspam	using a simple DSL, such as something similar to the language used in spreadsheet programs	06:03
patspam	that was you can easily do branching based on the value of ANY previous response, sums, averages, you name it..	06:03
@perlmonkey2	yeah, that had been something thrown around. But really only thought about it in the next iteration.	06:03
@perlmonkey2	exactly. would be great stuff.	06:04
@perlmonkey2	not hard to do.	06:04
patspam	yeah, it's similar to what i did for Flux (arbitrary expressions for combining expressions)	06:04
@perlmonkey2	probably could be squeezed into this one easily enough. But I'm not sure what you mean about Sections though.	06:04
@perlmonkey2	Sections don't have values unless you mean the set of questions in them.	06:04
patspam	except the dsl needs to be more expressive so that you can do simple math things	06:04
@perlmonkey2	hmm.	06:04
@perlmonkey2	actually, that could be really easy. But what about multiple branches of logic. if,elseif, else.	06:05
patspam	yeah, i was thinking it'd be nice if you could pass a section variable into things like AVG() and SUM() and it'd know how to hande em	06:05
@perlmonkey2	I like it.	06:05
patspam	my thought was that you'd let people enter in a list of expressions, and the first one to match triggers the branch	06:05
@perlmonkey2	there a lib that already handles this pidgin language?	06:05
patspam	TARGET1: expression2	06:06
patspam	TARGET2: expression2	06:06
patspam	etc..	06:06
@perlmonkey2	cool	06:06
@perlmonkey2	need a popup editor then	06:06
patspam	text area would be fine for the first iteration (at least for our needs)	06:07
patspam	doesn't have to be pretty	06:07
@perlmonkey2	hah, try to get that passed Steve	06:07
patspam	heh, steve can always be bribed :)	06:07
patspam	yeah I had a quick look on cpan, didn't find anything yet	06:08
@perlmonkey2	err, past. you know what I meant :P	06:08
@perlmonkey2	hmm, well, it should be easy enougn to implement. Maybe add it as a new generic module for WG.	06:08
patspam	for Flux i used a very limited whitelist of what could be entered in an expression, massaged it into valid perl, and then eval'd it	06:09
patspam	that way i got arbitrary boolean expression support for free, unlimited nesting, etc..	06:09
patspam	but in this case we might want to parse it ourselves	06:09
patspam	unless we make the syntax more perly	06:10
patspam	but i was thinking something like the excel macro language would be the least scary for end users	06:10
@perlmonkey2	Parse::RecDescent. Then we don't have to use evil evals.	06:10
@perlmonkey2	create a simple grammar and we're good.	06:11
@perlmonkey2	could just rip off excel's macro lanauage. or at least a useful subset.	06:12
patspam	or use perl6 grammar/regexps :)	06:12
@perlmonkey2	hah	06:12
@perlmonkey2	that would be fun	06:12
@perlmonkey2	But yeah, that would be really powerful stuff for branching. But it wouldn't look nearly as sexy as it was in the current forms presented to the users.	06:13
patspam	having trouble parsing that last sentence..	06:14
@perlmonkey2	Right now, I don't know if people would grok how powerful it was if it was just presented in the edit form as another entry.	06:15
@perlmonkey2	Eventually it should have its own panel with options and dialogs and fun things for the users to poke at and click on.	06:15
patspam	yeah true	06:15
@perlmonkey2	maybe a function builder.	06:16
patspam	yep, we can be inspired by Excel there too	06:16
@perlmonkey2	that would save having to create a grammar	06:16
patspam	you'd still need the grammar, or a whitelist, or something equivalent, because you couldn't trust what the client submits	06:17
@perlmonkey2	well if it was created in a builder, they wouldn't be able to enter anything not approved.	06:17
@perlmonkey2	but whatever....those are pretty specific implementation details and we're a ways from that :P	06:18
patspam	I'll have the RFE up in the hour	06:18
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@perlmonkey2	It's 3pm on a Friday. Is anyone overseas even still working?	16:05
@perlmonkey2	Or is it beer-thirty yet?	16:05
+BartJol	perlmonkey2:	16:14
+BartJol	still here	16:14
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: you are hard core. You absolutely need a raise.	16:14
+BartJol	and working, even though it is Sinterklaas today	16:14
+BartJol	Koen also said something like that	16:14
+BartJol	and who am I to disagree	16:14
@perlmonkey2	hah :)	16:15
+BartJol	but 3 pm is a fairly normal time to be at work, even on fridays	16:15
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: That's what The Man wants you to believe.	16:16
+BartJol	now I've got to fix a problem with rewrite rules and workflows	16:16
+BartJol	ah :)	16:16
+BartJol	joeri, martin and rory are also still working	16:19
+BartJol	I think Koen too	16:19
@perlmonkey2	Wow, and on a major holiday. You guys are animals.	16:19
@perlmonkey2	Killing the competition.	16:19
+BartJol	but my mouth is suffering from a lack of beer, it feels the weekend coming, just a few hours	16:21
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: stay strong Bart, stay strong.	16:23
+BartJol	:) I'll try, but it seems that this weekend is gonna be work related too :(	16:24
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SDuensin	Morning.	17:09
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Lisett1	if I'm doing a paydriver with another entity through which it would post the url return to WebGUI? would be the same in the store or do I have to put parameters? and from that subroutine should take the values of the parameters that are sending me?	17:48
+BartJol	perlmonkey2: it's getting better, I have a beer	17:53
SDuensin	BEER!	17:53
* SDuensin only has tea so far.		17:53
+BartJol	yes	17:53
SDuensin	#include <beer.h>	17:53
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SDuensin	Oh wait. That language may scare people here.	17:53
+BartJol	but with a # it's commented, that's useless	17:54
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SDuensin	Yea, in your little Perl language. :-P	17:54
+BartJol	Larry Larry Larry!	17:55
SDuensin	:-D	17:55
+BartJol	Lisett1: sorry I can't help you	17:55
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jeffthewookiee	Frank you here?	18:08
@khenn	yessir	18:09
jeffthewookiee	Npinansky is working with me	18:09
jeffthewookiee	We were asking if there's an API to check the status of a workflow and the completion time...	18:09
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Lisett1	anyone have an idea?	18:16
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@khenn	Lisett1: I'm not sure I understand the problem. I'm not very familiar with shop. you may need to wait for rizen or perlDreamer to pop into the channel	18:24
Lisett1	ok, i wait, thanks	18:30
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+perlDreamer	morning folks	18:53
SDuensin	Hey perlDreamer	18:53
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Lisett1	if I'm doing a paydriver with another entity through which it would post the url return to WebGUI? would be the same in the store or do I have to put parameters? and from that subroutine should take the values of the parameters that are sending me?	18:58
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+perlDreamer	When I run Firebug and try to edit any asset, it gives me an error	19:17
+perlDreamer	YAHOO.util.Easing is undefined	19:17
+perlDreamer	should I add a call to the container in individual form elements that use it, or to getEditForm?	19:17
SDuensin	Ooof. Loading IE6 has angered the Macintosh.	19:21
@Haarg	perlDreamer, as far as i know, that error doesn't matter	19:25
@Haarg	it's in yui, and inside a try block	19:25
@Haarg	to catch the error	19:26
+perlDreamer	it prevents text resizing from working	19:26
+perlDreamer	when I tell it to use animation.js, the error goes away and the resizing starts working again	19:26
@Haarg	resizing on what type of text box?	19:26
+perlDreamer	textarea and htmlareas	19:26
+perlDreamer	this is in 7.5	19:26
+perlDreamer	I'm going to try 7.6 now	19:26
@Haarg	htmlareas have their own resize code so it shouldn't effect that	19:27
+perlDreamer	oh, I think I understand now	19:29
+perlDreamer	Firebug stopped on the error, even though it was in a try block	19:29
+perlDreamer	and I didn't tell it to keep going	19:29
+perlDreamer	so no resizing	19:30
@Haarg	you are using the debugger?	19:30
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8827 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Document that canAdd is a class method	19:30
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8828 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Fix resizing in textareas.	19:31
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8829 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: canAdd is a class method	19:31
@Haarg	bleh. that code editor needs some work	19:31
+perlDreamer	I was using the debugger. There's something funny happening with the Insert WebGUI Image plugin.	19:32
@Haarg	there a bug report for it?	19:32
+perlDreamer	yes	19:32
+perlDreamer	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9235	19:32
+perlDreamer	It even came with complete instructions for dupicating the bug	19:33
+perlDreamer	The one thing he left out, was that after doing the insert, it will show up in the RTE. But after you save it, it goes away.	19:33
@Haarg	i think it's the border	19:38
+perlDreamer	I'll look into that.	19:41
+perlDreamer	in the meantime, y'all can look at my business website and chortle	19:41
+perlDreamer	http://web538.plainblack.net/home	19:41
+perlDreamer	soon to be www.perldreamerconsulting.com	19:42
+perlDreamer	It needs a lot more work and removal of default content	19:42
@Haarg	it's the quotes	19:42
@Haarg	www/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wginsertimage/js/insertimage.js	19:42
@Haarg	creates an image tag with mismatched quotes	19:42
@Haarg	border="5' etc	19:42
+perlDreamer	thanks, Haarg. How did you do that so fast?	19:43
+perlDreamer	Is it just practice?	19:43
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I hope you already grabbed the domain	19:55
+perlDreamer	I did	19:55
@perlmonkey2	if it gets enough hits, godaddy will just grab it.	19:55
+perlDreamer	just need the DNS info to feed back into godaddy	19:55
+perlDreamer	Haarg, after fixing the border quotes to use double quotes, i get this js console error	19:58
+perlDreamer	String contains an invalid character" code: "5	19:58
snapcount	perlDreamer: any interest in webgui.us?	20:04
snapcount	or anyone for that matter	20:05
snapcount	I'm to lazy to actually use it for anything	20:05
+perlDreamer	One business website and 1.2x full time consulting is keeping me pretty busy.	20:05
+perlDreamer	nm, browser caching of scripts sucks	20:11
snapcount	are you still working at the chip manufacturing place too?	20:11
+perlDreamer	No, I got laid off	20:11
+perlDreamer	I'm a freelancer now	20:11
snapcount	well sorry to hear that and congrats at the same time =)	20:12
+perlDreamer	thanks.	20:12
+perlDreamer	I hear that people can have post-hardware careers in software :)	20:12
+perlDreamer	brb	20:12
snapcount	cool that you get to hack full time now	20:12
+perlDreamer	it is nice	20:31
+perlDreamer	I like working from home	20:31
+perlDreamer	as long as I don't turn on the TV, it works really well	20:31
SDuensin	Me too. Gets kinda lonely though.	20:31
SDuensin	I've been allowing myself a TV break at lunch to keep from going nuts.	20:32
+perlDreamer	for now, hanging out on IRC helps a lot.	20:32
SDuensin	And tunes. Podcasts.	20:32
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8830 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix quoting problems in webgui tinymce image plug-in	20:46
@Haarg	perlDreamer, did you figure out the problem?	20:55
+perlDreamer	yes, client side script caching	20:55
+perlDreamer	I'd fix it on the server, then wouldn't see changes in the browser	20:55
+perlDreamer	I'm adding a firefox extension for a clear cache button in the toolbar to help with that.	20:56
@Haarg	to track it down, i looked at the tag that was inserted in the editor using firebug. it had an attribute 5="", which i figured meant something was malformed with the html it was trying to insert.	20:58
+perlDreamer	I need to learn how to use firebug better, but that will come with time.	20:58
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8831 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix quoting problems in webgui tinymce image plug-in	21:33
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+perlDreamer	how many hours does it take for a DNS change to ripple out?	22:53
@preaction	perlDreamer: depends on the TTL and other factors, could be 20M could be 6H	22:53
@preaction	usually it shouldn't be that long	22:53
+perlDreamer	I'll be patient	22:53
apeiron	Most places I've seen say to wait 24 hours.	22:55
apeiron	perlDreamer, FWIW, I can resolve the name to 67.19.67.50 presently.	22:56
apeiron	perlDreamer, May be your system's cache or your ISP's cache.	22:57
+perlDreamer	probably	22:57
+perlDreamer	it should be a 207 address	22:57
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8832 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed a major bug where switching objects out from underneath could cause all kinds of chaos	23:18
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: You're not making this survey rfe easy...	23:19
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+perlDreamer	cap10morgan, I looked at your bug.	23:30
+perlDreamer	Shouldn't there be some notice that a singleton clashes? I mean, how do you tell the difference between "hurried" workflows, and stuck workflows?	23:31
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: which one?	23:36
+perlDreamer	RTEs into the survey	23:42
@perlmonkey2	I don't think you have coverage on if the survey has timed out.	23:42
@perlmonkey2	Patrick's "fix" looks like it broke it.	23:43
+perlDreamer	Uh oh	23:43
+perlDreamer	there's 0% coverage on Survey.pm right now	23:43
@perlmonkey2	oh	23:43
@perlmonkey2	well this would be in Response	23:43
+perlDreamer	there's 96% coverage in SurveyJSON	23:43
+perlDreamer	ResponseJSON would be next :)	23:43
@perlmonkey2	->hasTimedOut	23:43
@perlmonkey2	oh, well there you go :)	23:43
+perlDreamer	You want a quick test for that one?	23:43
+cap10morgan	perlDreamer: yes, some indication would be good. but not an error. currently it returns undef, which the cron system, for example, interprets as "uh oh! something bad happened!"	23:44
+perlDreamer	gotcha, cap10morgan	23:44
+perlDreamer	and for everyone in channel, a piece of hard learned advice	23:45
+perlDreamer	Don't use Clone with perl 5.10	23:45
+perlDreamer	it doesn't work, randomly	23:45
@Haarg	fun	23:45
nuba	are we upped to 5.10 on webgui already?	23:45
+perlDreamer	not unless you're doing a source install, nuba	23:46
nuba	k	23:46
@perlmonkey2	isn't the new wre supposed to be 5.10?	23:46
@Haarg	that's the plan	23:46
+perlDreamer	is it? I wouldn't recommend it.	23:46
+perlDreamer	There are modules we use that use Clone	23:46
@Haarg	but we won't have 5.10 a prereq until 8.0 at least	23:46
+perlDreamer	okay	23:47
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: clone is cheesy anyways. Objects should be able to return a blessed copy of themselves if that is needed.	23:47
@Haarg	objects maybe	23:47
@Haarg	but what about data structures?	23:47
+perlDreamer	Yeah, especially large survey based data structures from JSON?	23:48
@perlmonkey2	there are none	23:48
@perlmonkey2	they are objects	23:48
@perlmonkey2	you never operate directly on JSON	23:48
@perlmonkey2	one you can only use the JSON as blessed objects	23:48
@perlmonkey2	one? why did I start that with "one"?	23:49
+perlDreamer	so getObject, newObject, copy and so on return blessed objects?	23:49
@perlmonkey2	hold up	23:49
@perlmonkey2	well those aren't from JSON. And can't they call be copied safely with %copy = %{$ref}; ?	23:51
@Haarg	somewhat	23:51
@Haarg	that only copies one level though	23:51
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, not deeply	23:51
@perlmonkey2	hmm, do those contain references...yes they will	23:52
+perlDreamer	you would not believe how many WebGUI bugs have been about deep reference copies handled poorly	23:52
@perlmonkey2	bah, I should have stuck with the original model of everything an object.	23:52
Lisett1	how to get the values of parameters on the other website send me?	23:52
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+perlDreamer	Lisett1: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Form	23:53
Lisett1	i'm going to see, thanks	23:53
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, it would have been slower, but would have copied easier since each object would handle its own copying	23:53
+perlDreamer	that's not a bad tradeoff since copying is rare compared to instanciation	23:53
+perlDreamer	okay, more js help, please	23:55
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+perlDreamer	why is this line important to the RichEditor/HTMLArea: element.value = element.value.replace(/-/mg,"-");	23:55
@preaction	perlDreamer: perhaps because those are two different unicode characters that look the same?	23:56
Lisett1	where find an example?	23:56
@Haarg	what file pD?	23:56
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@preaction	Lisett1: everywhere you see session->form->process or session->form->get	23:56
+perlDreamer	Lisett1: just grep for session->form->process	23:56
+perlDreamer	Haarg, trying to shoehorn a richeditor into the survey for an rfe	23:57
+perlDreamer	the HTMLArea form control does that	23:57
Lisett1	process??? is not with paramsHashRef?	23:57
@preaction	Lisett1: you could use either. two ways to do the same thing. try it and see perhaps?	23:58
Lisett1	thanks, perDreamer	23:59
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+perlDreamer	I gotta go pick up the kids from school. Kathy's delivering a baby today. bbiaw	00:00
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@Haarg	i have no good explanation for that line perlDreamer	00:04
@Haarg	it's very old	00:04
@Haarg	2004	00:05
CIA-41	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8833 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Fixed hasTimeLimit to work with the new storage location of the time limit.	00:11
Lisett1	how to do to say the url to session->form of which i want to get the parameters?	00:39
Lisett1	new?	00:40
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I traced it back to svn rev 3 and stopped there, so yeah, it's way old ;)	01:07
@Haarg	i looked at the actual commit it was introduced	01:07
@Haarg	and nothing about the other things added help explain it	01:08
+perlDreamer	that's right, you pulled in the old CVS history into your git repo, didn't you.	01:10
+perlDreamer	well, in any case, I need to get the Survey to load that file so the rich editor can call it	01:11
@Haarg	yeah	01:11
@Haarg	i'd almost prefer to remove it	01:11
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+perlDreamer	it works for me, but we should probably ask someone like rizen or khenn before doing it	01:19
@khenn	I have no idea	01:20
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WebGUI	good night all	02:02
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+perlDreamer	go perlmonkey2, go!	02:16
+perlDreamer	WebGUI: Has the new product hit the floor yet?	02:17
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, just so you know, I'll be doing some POD commits to ResponseJSON	02:25
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8836 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm):	02:40
CIA-41	WebGUI: Update SurveyJSON POD for the new method.	02:40
CIA-41	WebGUI: Add legal and header POD for ResponseJSON.	02:40
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@perlmonkey2	patspam: you around?	17:03
@perlmonkey2	oh, 2am, probably not	17:04
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@perlmonkey2	Now that the Survey is inside a style, is it incredibly slow for anyone else?	17:43
daviddelikat	any body know how to use the 'wgd' tool?	18:24
daviddelikat	I'm trying to reset my install and I get an undefined subroutine	18:25
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@preaction	daviddelikat: i suspect the only person who really knows how to use it is Haarg and he's not here	22:16
daviddelikat	thanks	23:06
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SDuensin	Anybody know if you can allow the user to enter a "size" in the store? Building a jewelry site and all the rings need sizes entered.	23:41
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@preaction	SDuensin: i think "size" was supposed to be some sort of a variant property	00:04
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SDuensin	Was supposed to be? Hmm.	00:05
@preaction	iow you add a variant for the size	00:34
SDuensin	Yea, but that's gonna take a craptastic amount of 'em.	00:36
@preaction	there's no way to add arbitrary data to a product?	00:37
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SDuensin	I don't see a way to allow the shopper to enter data about a product. If that makes sense.	00:50
@preaction	oh, you want the shopper to be able to enter what size they want	00:51
SDuensin	Sizes can be from like 5 to 16 in half-size increments. That's a crapload of variants. Especially if there are already four styles in each size.	00:51
@preaction	i believe there may have been something added to the Cart, some sort of comments field	00:54
@preaction	but i'm thinking that a feature that would allow a shopper to enter details per-item would be a good idea	00:54
nuba	ive shopped for jewelry online. that usually appears in a drop-down menu, and the sizes available vary from a product to another. ie. this ring is only available at this and that size, that other ring is available in the full range from size X to Y, etc.	00:57
nuba	(i dont have a solution for you, im just trying to help with the description)	00:57
SDuensin	nuba - Right, that's kind of what I picture in my head.	01:11
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SDuensin	OH NO!	00:23
SDuensin	You gotta be kidding me!	00:23
SDuensin	The quantities for all zillion products I just entered are encoded inside a JSON string in the database?!	00:24
SDuensin	Not exactly an easy way to bulk set that. :-(	00:24
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SDuensin	Good (panic) Morning. (Panic) Help?	17:21
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SDuensin	Haarg!	17:39
@Haarg	morning	17:39
SDuensin	[09:21] <SDuensin> Good (panic) Morning. (Panic) Help?	17:39
nuba	hey SDuensin, sup?	17:40
SDuensin	I think there's a serious issue in the shopping system.	17:40
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SDuensin	(Loading SQL tables)	17:41
nuba	this? SDuensin> The quantities for all zillion products I just entered are encoded inside a JSON string in the database?!	17:41
SDuensin	Well, that's an annoyance.	17:41
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SDuensin	I went to write a tool to handle that and found that my Product table doesn't seem to have any kind of unique key in it.	17:41
SDuensin	I also have (apparently) bad data in the table already.	17:41
nuba	awwwww.. crap	17:42
nuba	i havent even looked in the general direction of the shopping system yet	17:42
SDuensin	Yea. I have a crapload of products up in a site I'm supposed to have finished already.	17:42
SDuensin	I assume the assetId is supposed to be unique. I've got a lot of duplicates.	17:43
SDuensin	It's almost like when you edit a variant, another entry is created.	17:45
@Haarg	the Product table is just like any other asset table	17:46
@Haarg	assetId + revisionDate are the primary key	17:46
SDuensin	Ok, that leads me to less panic. :-)	17:47
SDuensin	WTF is with that JSON inside the database?!	17:47
SDuensin	Nobody wants to step up and own that one, eh? :-P	17:51
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nuba	huh	17:56
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+perlDreamer	I worked on the TimeField form control over the weekend	18:07
+perlDreamer	It's badly broken	18:07
+perlDreamer	I'd love to get a review of the changes that I'm proposing	18:07
+perlDreamer	any takers?	18:07
SDuensin	perlDreamer!	18:07
+perlDreamer	hola, SDuensin :)	18:07
SDuensin	I'm trying to unpanic. Then I can break things.	18:07
SDuensin	perlDreamer, you added the paging to the Shelf for me, right?	18:08
+perlDreamer	I believe so.	18:08
+perlDreamer	I've fixed a lot of bugs over the last few weeks	18:08
SDuensin	Is there a way to change the page size? Or disable it?	18:08
+perlDreamer	this is the new getValue subroutine for timeField: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d214b951f	18:09
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, no there isn't. It would be about a 20 minute RFE, though	18:09
+perlDreamer	the values are hardcoded inside the paginator, unless some other value is provided	18:10
+perlDreamer	although, it could be considered a bug that it's paginated but not configurable	18:10
SDuensin	Maybe I can fix that bug later. It's a deal breaker for something a client has requested.	18:10
+perlDreamer	I can't think of anywhere else that we have non-configurable pagination...	18:11
+perlDreamer	SQL Report is configurable	18:12
+perlDreamer	Post is configurable	18:12
+perlDreamer	brb	18:12
SDuensin	God my quantity hack is ugly.	18:12
+perlDreamer	quantity hack?	18:15
SDuensin	Yes. Follow up to my earlier mini-rant about having JSON inside the database.	18:15
+perlDreamer	one more thing about timeField, it all started with this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9063	18:16
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, I agree that having JSON in the db does make hackery more difficult	18:16
SDuensin	I'm gonna say it's a Bad Idea(tm).	18:17
+perlDreamer	on the other hand, it made asset collateral quickly and easily versioned, and packagable.	18:21
SDuensin	It's still fugly.	18:22
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SDuensin	Grrr. I got my quantities updated, but the site still says everything is out of stock. Guess that's why people should use the API.	18:23
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, would you like a little script to start with?	18:24
SDuensin	I'd love one. :-)	18:24
+perlDreamer	ok, hang on a few	18:24
SDuensin	Mine apparently creates a mess.	18:24
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin, you want a paste or an email?	18:29
SDuensin	Whatever is easiest.	18:29
SDuensin	scott@jaegertech.com if you want.	18:30
+perlDreamer	on its way	18:31
SDuensin	Thank you!	18:31
+perlDreamer	give me a holler if you have more questions	18:31
+perlDreamer	I wrote the Product	18:31
SDuensin	Oh, I will.	18:31
+perlDreamer	well, updated it from old product to Sku	18:31
SDuensin	Gonna keep at the JSON bit. :-)	18:32
SDuensin	Maybe wrap it so all the JSON key/value pairs end up in another table? Then you could at least join tables together to query it.	18:32
SDuensin	Thanks, perlDreamer - hacking away again. :-)	18:37
+perlDreamer	only one downside about that script, it does not make a versioned change	18:38
+perlDreamer	so make backups, just in case	18:38
SDuensin	No problem. Got a backup.	18:39
CIA-41	WebGUI: translation * r8859 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server	18:52
+perlDreamer	bartjol: The Germans are on fire!	18:54
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@perlmonkey2	heh, squirrel chewed through my cable's insulation. I got tired of waiting for the repair guy, so wrapped it in electrical tape and took some old tin and bent it around the wire as a shield. Back on the internet via Okie-Engineering.	19:25
SDuensin	Nice!	19:28
SDuensin	Hey perlDreamer - never messed with JSON in Perl. What do I do about malformed JSON strings?	19:30
+perlDreamer	reform them? :)	19:31
+perlDreamer	I'd need more info to help you	19:31
SDuensin	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1349bf43	19:32
+perlDreamer	oh, my bad I missed an array deref	19:33
SDuensin	Yea, I got that. But something is making JSON mad. (Or is there another one missed?)	19:34
+perlDreamer	line 2 should read foreach my $variant ( @{ $product->getAllCollateral('variantsJSON') } {	19:34
SDuensin	Doesn't my foreach my $item line fix that?	19:34
+perlDreamer	hm	19:35
+perlDreamer	yes, but each item of the array is a hashref	19:35
+perlDreamer	and it's better written without the extra foreach	19:35
SDuensin	True.	19:35
SDuensin	It's still POed when I try: print "$variant\n\n";	19:39
+perlDreamer	$variant would be a hashref	19:39
+perlDreamer	they don't pretty print by default	19:40
+perlDreamer	try use Data::Dumper; print Dumper $variant	19:40
SDuensin	Ah yea. Take a dump. :-)	19:40
+perlDreamer	I wonder if that's different in perl6	19:41
SDuensin	I'm running under the WRE on Ubuntu.	19:42
SDuensin	Even with Dumper it barfs on the malformed JSON string.	19:42
SDuensin	Did I mention I didn't like JSON in the database? :-D	19:42
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: the problem you mentioned the other day seemed like a pretty good reason to not have JSON. All fine and dandy when the data is being used as designed. But when you need to do some maintenance outside of the defined params, you have to write a small script.	19:46
SDuensin	That problem is still my problem. :-(	19:47
SDuensin	Except now, using the API to access it (thanks to perlDreamer), it's mad because of bad JSON.	19:47
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: bad JSON you've created, or bad JSON from the DB? The second sounds like a far larger problem.	19:48
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, Dumper can't barf on bad JSON	19:49
+perlDreamer	it's doesn't care what the data is	19:49
SDuensin	perlmonkey2 - I'm trying to iterate over the products I have defined and set their quantity.	19:49
SDuensin	perlDreamer - Tell Dumper that.	19:49
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, how about a fresh paste of what you've got	19:49
+perlDreamer	tavisto: wiki bug ping	19:50
SDuensin	Sure. Dumper isn't in it for the moment.	19:50
@tavisto	um. hi	19:50
@tavisto	perlDreamer: RFE asset Hamburgler over.	19:50
SDuensin	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d1e8f3	19:50
+perlDreamer	tavisto, I'd like to try and duplicate your wiki page is protected bug. Could you please let me know the URL of a protected page so I can try and hack it with malicious spam?	19:51
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, what does Dumper complain about?	19:52
@tavisto	I'll create a new one for you to test on. That will be a good thing for you to be an 3vilHaXoR on	19:53
SDuensin	Well, I assumed it was Dumper. I get the same error. So maybe it's the first access to $variant is making it mad.	19:53
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: there isn't a call to JSON there. The real error might be in getAllCollateral	19:54
SDuensin	That's my suspicion.	19:54
@perlmonkey2	probably line 263 of Product. Try wrapping that call in an eval and outputting $@	19:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8860 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm): fix isProtected form processing in the wiki page	19:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8861 /modules/Config-JSON/ (7 files in 3 dirs):	19:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: v1.3.1	19:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: fix: #41525 Cleaning up temporary directory	19:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: Throws a better error message when trying to access an element of an array using a multi-level directive.	19:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: Writes config file directives in alphabetical order for easier human reading.	19:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: Better handling of UTF-8 data in the config file.	19:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: Better version numbers on prereqs.	19:55
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: but if that call is failing, you probably have something wrong with your JSOn in the DB.	19:56
SDuensin	That's what my (panic) was for earlier.	19:56
@perlmonkey2	go grab the JSON directly from the DB and write a small little test script that just calls from_json on the pasted string.	19:57
SDuensin	I can do that.	19:57
@perlmonkey2	you might even be able to eyeball the bad chars.	19:57
SDuensin	I'm going to restore the database just to be good and sure I haven't broken what WebGUI put there.	19:58
SDuensin	Error still exists with the data I know was created by WebGUI.	20:07
SDuensin	The only thing I see is that I have a couple entries in the database where the variantsJSON is equal to "[]".	20:09
+perlDreamer	that would mean no variants	20:10
@perlmonkey2	but you haven't cut and pasted a malformed string from the DB successfully?	20:10
SDuensin	Working on that now.	20:10
@perlmonkey2	"[]" should be a valid string.	20:10
SDuensin	It is.	20:14
SDuensin	Gonna write something to yank all the JSON from my DB and try to decode it.	20:14
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SDuensin	Ok, now I'm confused. My code parses everything fine.	20:19
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SDuensin	Where is "from_json"? I'm using $json->decode in my test.	20:22
SDuensin	Nevermind.	20:23
SDuensin	Duh.	20:23
SDuensin	Crap. Still works. :-)	20:23
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: ah	20:24
@perlmonkey2	j/s	20:24
@perlmonkey2	from_json flips the utf8=>1 flag	20:24
@perlmonkey2	I'm pretty sure	20:24
@perlmonkey2	or maybe I have that backwards	20:24
@preaction	encode / decode is the utf8 one i think	20:24
+perlDreamer	from_json leaves the utf8 flag alone	20:24
SDuensin	Here's the guts of my test script:	20:25
@perlmonkey2	okay, then that shouldn't be it	20:25
SDuensin	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7ebc1c7e	20:25
SDuensin	It reads it right from the same database I get the error from.	20:25
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin, please try this and paste the output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1b94cf33	20:32
SDuensin	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m547dada7	20:36
+perlDreamer	that JSON subroutine should use croak, so we can see where it's called from	20:37
SDuensin	Would be helpful, wouldn't it?	20:37
+perlDreamer	indeed	20:37
SDuensin	I'd hack it, but this is my live server.	20:37
+perlDreamer	new one for you: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d31a52578	20:38
+perlDreamer	let's see the actual JSON itself this time	20:38
SDuensin	Same error bud.	20:39
SDuensin	Doesn't seem to matter what is inside the while loop.	20:40
SDuensin	I put: print "Crap.";	20:40
SDuensin	Still does it.	20:41
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, that's not possible. The class does no JSON processing unless you ask for it	20:41
+perlDreamer	there's something else going in	20:41
+perlDreamer	on	20:41
SDuensin	I'd say.	20:41
+perlDreamer	can you please paste the whole script?	20:41
SDuensin	Trying.	20:41
SDuensin	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m607931c	20:43
+perlDreamer	how do you invoke the script?	20:45
+perlDreamer	and where do you run it from?	20:45
SDuensin	perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile ut.jaegertech.net.conf	20:45
SDuensin	From /data/WebGUI/sbin	20:45
SDuensin	(After setting the environment.)	20:46
+perlDreamer	please comment out lines 44-48 and run it again for me	20:46
SDuensin	Same. The config file corrupt maybe?	20:47
+perlDreamer	yes	20:48
+perlDreamer	the favorite config file gaffe is dangling, perl-style commas, or missing commas in the middle of lists	20:49
+perlDreamer	is this config file being used on your live site right now?	20:49
SDuensin	Yea.	20:49
SDuensin	I don't remember editing it by hand. Checking.	20:49
@Haarg	dangling commas shouldn't be a problem at this point. but missing commas certainly can be.	20:50
SDuensin	I don't see anything. testEnvironment loads it, doesn't it?	20:51
topsub	Radix_, just used ur lightbox2 package.. thanks! ported it to be used with a folder asset instead but you saved me from importing all the files	20:52
SDuensin	testEnvironment passes with flying colors.	20:53
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin, try to run the default utility skeleton	20:59
SDuensin	That works.	21:00
+perlDreamer	this is nuts	21:01
SDuensin	hehe	21:01
SDuensin	I told you guys I was good at breaking things.	21:02
+perlDreamer	well, next, please remove the use WebGUI::Asset* lines	21:02
+perlDreamer	and try the script again	21:02
+MrHairgrease	you should try to run skeletor	21:02
+perlDreamer	he did	21:02
SDuensin	Remove them from which script?	21:02
+MrHairgrease	and then summon heman to fix it all	21:02
+perlDreamer	from the setMaxQ script	21:03
+MrHairgrease	dunno what the prob is btw.	21:03
SDuensin	Commented the two lines out. Error is still there.	21:04
+perlDreamer	new paste, please	21:05
+perlDreamer	either that, or a login	21:05
+perlDreamer	SD, when you ran the utility script, did you give it your config file?	21:06
SDuensin	Yes.	21:06
+MrHairgrease	perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile ut.jaegertech.net.conf	21:07
SDuensin	Pastebin is being slooooooow.	21:07
+MrHairgrease	should that be	21:07
+MrHairgrease	perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile=ut.jaegertech.net.conf	21:07
+MrHairgrease	try that	21:07
@Haarg	it should work either way afaik	21:07
+MrHairgrease	ok	21:08
SDuensin	Yea, same error with the ='s.	21:08
+MrHairgrease	never used it without the =	21:08
+perlDreamer	brb	21:08
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@Haarg	i never saw the exact error message, what was it?	21:10
SDuensin	Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135.	21:10
SDuensin	malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135.	21:10
SDuensin	Hey rizen	21:10
@rizen	howdy	21:10
@Haarg	so it isn't finding the config file for some reason	21:10
+MrHairgrease	hi	21:10
@Haarg	can't get to pastebin atm, so i'm not sure	21:11
SDuensin	No idea.	21:11
+MrHairgrease	sduensin, where is your script and from what directory are you running it?	21:11
+MrHairgrease	yea, pastebin is down	21:11
SDuensin	In /data/WebGUI/sbin	21:12
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin's powers of desctruction are strong, and widespreda	21:13
SDuensin	You have no idea. :-)	21:13
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+MrHairgrease	can you try with another util script	21:14
+MrHairgrease	say, file import or so?	21:14
SDuensin	testEnvironment runs fine. So does the skeleton with that config passed to it.	21:15
@rizen	did you try tripple clicking?	21:15
@Haarg	what is the difference between your script and the skeleton?	21:15
+perlDreamer	I think it's browser caching	21:16
SDuensin	?	21:16
@rizen	oh i know	21:17
@rizen	you forgot to do the big thing to make it go	21:17
+MrHairgrease	quadruple clicking?	21:17
+MrHairgrease	prayer?	21:17
+MrHairgrease	make it bug free?	21:17
+MrHairgrease	sduensin, could it be that there are weird characters in the conf file?	21:19
+MrHairgrease	you can check that by opening it in vim	21:19
+MrHairgrease	and then do	21:19
+MrHairgrease	:set invlist	21:19
SDuensin	I doubt it. The site is running off that file.	21:19
+MrHairgrease	oh	21:19
+MrHairgrease	hmmm	21:20
SDuensin	And (for once) I didn't screw with it. :-)	21:20
+MrHairgrease	can you email me your code?	21:20
+MrHairgrease	I'll have a look at it	21:20
SDuensin	http://rafb.net/p/XwN4CR43.html	21:21
+MrHairgrease	ah	21:21
SDuensin	(Alternate pastebin thingie.)	21:21
+MrHairgrease	another pstebin	21:21
SDuensin	There's a bunch of 'em.	21:21
@Haarg	and the file is in sbin, and you are running it from there?	21:22
SDuensin	Yep	21:22
CIA-41	WebGUI: translation * r8862 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (6 files): Update from translation server	21:22
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8863 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	21:22
CIA-41	WebGUI: Have Operation/Cron log a warning instead of an error when trying	21:22
CIA-41	WebGUI: to rerun a singleton, long-running workflow.	21:22
+MrHairgrease	well	21:23
+MrHairgrease	somehow the configFile parameter is not parsed correctly	21:23
+MrHairgrease	$configFile is undef	21:24
* SDuensin didn't do it. Honest. :-P		21:24
+MrHairgrease	configfile=s'=>\$configFile,	21:24
+MrHairgrease	you did	21:24
@Haarg	wait	21:24
+MrHairgrease	F	21:24
SDuensin	?	21:24
@Haarg	it parses the config file option twice	21:24
+MrHairgrease	configfile != configFile	21:24
+MrHairgrease	yeah that too	21:25
@Haarg	they are equal for Getopt::Long	21:25
@Haarg	unless you set a specific option	21:25
+MrHairgrease	b/c of the first GetOptions with the wrong param	21:25
+MrHairgrease	the second with the correct param doesn't work	21:25
@Haarg	the double call to GetOptions is the problem	21:25
@preaction	is this the SVN HEAD skeleton?	21:25
@preaction	i swore i fixed it	21:25
SDuensin	preaction - I'm sure I broke it.	21:26
+perlDreamer	preaction, it's from 7.5	21:26
+perlDreamer	and the skeleton is fine in there	21:26
@preaction	yeah, that looks like an older one	21:26
@Haarg	you can just remove the GetOptions call inside start	21:26
+MrHairgrease	and the my $configFile	21:26
@preaction	no, because then start doesn't have the config file	21:26
+MrHairgrease	it has	21:26
@preaction	it's not getting passed in in this version	21:26
@preaction	oh, i see	21:26
+MrHairgrease	since $configFile is global too	21:26
@preaction	abusive scoping :p	21:27
SDuensin	I removed the one at the top. Error is gone!	21:27
SDuensin	Now if we can just rid ourselves of the JSON to begin with... :-P	21:27
+MrHairgrease	funny that GetOpt is case insensitive btw.	21:27
+MrHairgrease	never thought it would be.	21:28
* MrHairgrease rather scopes abuse =)		21:28
+perlDreamer	now that everyone is here, does anyone care to comment on the timeField form fixes I proposed earlier?	21:28
+perlDreamer	if not, I'll just go ahead and commit it	21:29
SDuensin	Ok, I forgot to eat. I need to do that. Back in a bit.	21:29
@Haarg	Getopt::Long is case insensitive for long options by default, case sensitive for short options. that can be configured though.	21:29
@Haarg	you have a link perlDreamer?	21:30
SDuensin	Thanks gang.	21:30
+perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d214b951f	21:30
+perlDreamer	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9063	21:30
@Haarg	can you make a different paste?	21:31
@Haarg	pastebin is still unreachable	21:31
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+perlDreamer	http://rafb.net/p/SOAUlP11.html	21:32
+perlDreamer	I built a test script for it with about 26 tests, testing with and without format=mysql, and with different kinds of inputs	21:33
+BartJol	perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9244	21:33
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@Haarg	so that is eliminating the format detection based on defaultValue?	21:34
+perlDreamer	yes	21:36
+perlDreamer	because I don't think it matters	21:36
+perlDreamer	I'll add some more tests to make sure of that	21:37
+perlDreamer	yes, it doesn't matter when you call getValue. defaultValue is only supposed to be when no value param is supplied to the form element	21:40
+perlDreamer	so getValue either sees posted form params, or arguments	21:41
+perlDreamer	and the call to super will resolve that	21:41
@Haarg	yeah, but the idea is that if something sets the defaultValue to 00:00:00, they always want a mysql time format	21:41
@Haarg	and if they set it to 0, they always want an epoch time	21:41
+perlDreamer	so it's supposed to autodetect it?	21:42
+perlDreamer	instead of using the well documented and defined format argument?	21:42
@Haarg	that was the idea	21:42
@Haarg	i think format came later	21:42
@Haarg	since we knew that the defaultValue thing was nasty	21:42
+perlDreamer	what gets priority if they're different?	21:43
+BartJol	mm, is Send with a "d" past time or more a command?	21:43
@Haarg	if which is different?	21:44
@Haarg	defaultValue and format?	21:44
+perlDreamer	yes	21:44
@Haarg	i would say format	21:44
+BartJol	like in Account_Inbox the label Send, are these messages that should be send or already been send?	21:44
+MrAfkGrease	bart: I think it's with a t	21:44
+perlDreamer	okay, I'll rework the tests, then the patch, then the docs and then post for reconsideration	21:44
+BartJol	it is with a t? that's usefull	21:45
+BartJol	what it?	21:45
+MrAfkGrease	oh	21:45
+BartJol	:)	21:45
+MrAfkGrease	i read your question wrong	21:45
+perlDreamer	BartJol: If you hit the "Send" button in the past, your email was sent.	21:45
+MrAfkGrease	passed tense of send is sent	21:45
+MrAfkGrease	so it's prolly a command	21:45
+BartJol	indeed it is	21:45
+MrAfkGrease	what the context?	21:45
+BartJol	there isn't, that's why I'm asking	21:46
+MrAfkGrease	ah	21:46
+MrAfkGrease	well what colins says	21:46
+MrAfkGrease	=)	21:46
+BartJol	context in the latest i18n is terrible...	21:46
+MrAfkGrease	i probably is	21:47
+perlDreamer	BartJol, that is a button label. it's i18n'ed in the template using the macro	21:47
+MrAfkGrease	but i meant more the sentence embedding the word	21:47
+MrAfkGrease	which isn't there if it's just a button label...	21:47
+BartJol	there wasn't a sentence either	21:47
+perlDreamer	and it should be "Send", the command	21:48
+BartJol	just the word "Send", that makes it hard to understand	21:48
+perlDreamer	indeed	21:48
+perlDreamer	you should ask the Account maintainer to give some context in the i18n file to help you out, or just keep asking questions in channel ;)	21:48
* perlDreamer goes running		21:48
+MrAfkGrease	just translate it with Verzenden and be iun peace	21:49
+BartJol	who's trying to bug me by leaving all context? are it tha germans, the spaniols or arabics paying PB?	21:49
+BartJol	already did that MrAfkGrease	21:49
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8864 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting singleton warn vs error for Cron.	21:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: translation * r8865 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Account_Profile.pm: Update from translation server	21:50
+MrAfkGrease	very good	21:50
+BartJol	perlDreamer: I like it better to ask here, but next time I'll bother the responsible person, In this case it would have been Frank	22:07
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SDuensin	In the Product asset, where is the actual template represented by <tmpl_var buy_options> ?	23:20
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, ack (or ctags in vim) answers questions very quickly ;)	23:41
SDuensin	Eh?	23:41
SDuensin	Yea yea.	23:41
* SDuensin is reading how to "fix" the Shelf.		23:41
+perlDreamer	?fix?	23:42
+perlDreamer	for pagination?	23:42
SDuensin	Yes.	23:43
+perlDreamer	You want me to walk you through it?	23:43
SDuensin	If you have time. I think I get the gist of it. Not looked up the internationalization stuff yet.	23:43
+perlDreamer	well, hack on. and holler if you get stuck	23:44
SDuensin	I need to add the paginateAfter to the database, add the properties, and use the properties when the paginator is created. Right?	23:44
* SDuensin bought the spiffy Developer's Guide.		23:45
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, that's it exactly	23:45
SDuensin	Cool. :-)	23:45
SDuensin	That's looking like my first contribution to the code. It's a must-have for my client.	23:47
+perlDreamer	file a bug for it	23:47
SDuensin	ok	23:47
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SDuensin	Just out of curiosity, why is all the i18n stuff in modules and not a DB table? Speed?	23:53
@Haarg	yes	23:53
SDuensin	I did a BBS some time ago and did it all in the database. I can see how a busy site would crumble with that kind of set up.	23:54
+perlDreamer	khenn, in the account system, what is the difference between a layout template and a view template?	23:55
+BartJol	tavisto: did you see my private message?	23:56
SDuensin	Whoever can assign tickets, please give me 9250.	23:59
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, only the elect can assign tickets	23:59
+perlDreamer	just post a comment saying that you're working on it	23:59
SDuensin	OK	23:59
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+perlDreamer	BartJol, about your i18n bug, how does this sound	00:03
+perlDreamer	Choose a layout from the list to display the various account plugins that are usable by the current user as well as the contents of the one currently chosen	00:03
+BartJol	if you change "one" to plugin it's clearer I think	00:04
@tavisto	bartjol, nice work	00:05
+perlDreamer	will do	00:05
+BartJol	thanks	00:05
+BartJol	perlDreamer: thanks	00:07
+perlDreamer	you're welcome, BartJol. You do the community a big service by feeding those bugs back to us	00:09
+BartJol	small changes, but it looks much more neat indeed	00:10
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8867 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs):	00:11
CIA-41	WebGUI: many bug fixes	00:11
CIA-41	WebGUI: added service login config option	00:11
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8868 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed some Account i18n typos.	00:11
+perlDreamer	I hate thingy	00:18
SDuensin	hehe	00:18
SDuensin	Thingy is so close to being awesome.	00:18
+BartJol	perlDreamer: why, because it's mainly a Dutch product?	00:19
+perlDreamer	No.	00:19
+perlDreamer	Number 1 reason: I really don't understand it or how to properly use it.	00:19
+perlDreamer	Number 2 reason, it's new and buggy	00:19
+perlDreamer	I like Dutch things	00:19
+BartJol	mmm, can understand your reasons	00:20
+perlDreamer	Dutch people, dutch soups, dutch stroopwaffeln and dutch code	00:20
+BartJol	stroopwafels, we're not german	00:20
+BartJol	:)	00:20
+perlDreamer	my bad :)	00:21
+BartJol	Dutch isn't easy	00:21
+BartJol	it's an unreliable language, too much exceptions	00:22
+perlDreamer	Oh, you mean compared to an easy language, like English?	00:23
+BartJol	no just generally	00:23
+BartJol	but you're right each language probably has that	00:24
+BartJol	but spelling of words depends on grammar with no clear rulea	00:24
+perlDreamer	indede	00:24
+perlDreamer	indeed	00:24
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+perlDreamer	indead	00:24
+BartJol	indeat	00:25
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8869 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix searching in the Thingy view screen.	00:43
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, is the TimeField supposed to convert to the desired format, or just validate it?	01:30
@Haarg	convert to	01:30
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8870 /experimental/Automat/ (2 files in 2 dirs): bug fixes	01:48
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8871 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/fixmxwithoutindex.pl: fixes the data for a bug that was in MailServer.pm	02:20
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8873 /experimental/Automat/ (sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl lib/Automat/MailServer.pm): bug fixes	02:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8874 /experimental/Automat/sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl: forgot to eval and exit the loop	02:50
+perlDreamer	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw	02:54
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8875 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: added hover help	03:20
+perlDreamer	patspam: ping	03:23
patspam	perlDreamer: pong	03:27
+perlDreamer	never mind, I think I got it.	03:28
+perlDreamer	The defaultValue is fine in the actual thingy table, it's only limited in the fields table.	03:28
patspam	yeah, Thingy_fields	03:28
patspam	man you're quick!	03:28
patspam	i submitted that like 45mins ago ;)	03:28
+perlDreamer	I just finished up a bug	03:29
+perlDreamer	and you always submit good bug reports	03:29
+perlDreamer	lots of detail, and sometimes patches	03:29
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patspam	i was a professional bug reporter during uni	03:32
patspam	..at Infogrames (a game company)	03:33
+perlDreamer	working at a game company sounds very fun	03:33
patspam	that was a pretty good rort, being paid to play games all day =p	03:33
patspam	yeah, except after about 6 months on the same, crap, buggy game....	03:33
+perlDreamer	actually, that's kind of how I feel now (previous sentiment)	03:34
+perlDreamer	I'm getting paid to hack perl code	03:34
+perlDreamer	No one yells at me about schedules, or wants me to remotely debug buggy tester hardware	03:34
patspam	heh, just wait till you've had 6 months on the same, crap, buggy, .... heh just kidding	03:34
+perlDreamer	it'll change a little. Instead of crappy, buggy 7.6, it will be crappy, buggy 7.7 ;)	03:35
patspam	and at least you get to hack on the game itself, it was crap only being able to submit bugs and not actually fix stuff	03:37
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8877 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.5-7.6.6.pl): Forward port Thingy_fields defaultValue size fix.	03:48
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+perlDreamer	preaction, when you import ical feeds into a calendar, is everything supposed to come over?	05:18
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8878 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Have the calendar emit and read the ical LOCATION field.	06:38
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8879 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward port Calendar location field fix in ical.	06:38
+perlDreamer	More iCal fun in the morning. Good night, all.	07:05
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@perlmonkey2	BartJol: hmm, you might just notify people as they probably forgot to put in the context.	17:01
+BartJol	yeah, but it happens quiet a lot, and if I have to browse svn each time to look who forgot it it take me huge amounts of time	17:03
+BartJol	if you find it a bit questionable if that posts should remain on the site, please remove	17:04
+BartJol	and with questionable I mean that it could give an unprofessional impression	17:06
SDuensin	Hey guys.	17:06
+BartJol	perlmonkey2: so please do what you want with the post	17:07
+BartJol	but it was in all changes in 7.6.4 and up	17:08
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@perlmonkey2	BartJol: no, you make a very pertinent point.	17:23
+BartJol	ok, I don't wanna make a big issue of it	17:25
@perlmonkey2	BartJol: Adding context isn't a lot to ask of developers, and the i18n translations are very important.	17:26
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+BartJol	I don't know how much work it is, I can imagine that distracts you from the programming	17:27
Lisette	I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver	17:29
Lisette	?	17:29
+BartJol	sorry Lisette, I don't know	17:34
Lisette	i can't do a get from another website???	17:39
+BartJol	it's hard to get the code underneath. I don't have that kind of stuff	17:43
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+BartJol	mmm are more people having problems with the asset managerin 7.6.5? I don't see my assets	18:10
+BartJol	probably some bad stuff done myself	18:13
CIA-41	WebGUI: yung * r8881 /WebGUI/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Making Matrix edit listing screen templatable	18:15
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: latest iteration on Form/TimeField, http://webgui.pastebin.com/df048e6f	18:34
@Haarg	seems fine	18:35
@Haarg	you may want to change the regex to use (?: ) but that's a pretty small nit	18:36
+perlDreamer	yeah, we don't need to capture anything in there, just validate	18:37
+perlDreamer	what time are you going to start the release?	18:37
@Haarg	probably around 2	18:38
@Haarg	central that is	18:38
+perlDreamer	okay. in addition to the timefield bug, I'd like to get the calendar iCal work in too, but it might be tight	18:38
@Haarg	what is the ical issue?	18:39
SDuensin	Morning perlDreamer & Haarg	18:39
+perlDreamer	yo, SDuensin	18:39
+perlDreamer	It's kristi's ical bug from the boards	18:39
+perlDreamer	not all info from events comes across	18:39
+perlDreamer	Location was easy to add	18:39
@Haarg	ah	18:39
+perlDreamer	still thinking about related URLs	18:39
+perlDreamer	and I don't think it's possible to do attachments	18:39
+perlDreamer	the problem with related URLs is that they're group protected	18:40
@Haarg	at some point we may want to change the Data & DateTime form controls to be like what you have for time there	18:40
@Haarg	they work properly afaik, but it isn't completely obvious what everything is doing	18:41
+perlDreamer	Oh, as far as the layout and logic?	18:41
+perlDreamer	gym time	18:51
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SDuensin	Whoo hoo! My first "fixed" Wobject!	19:17
SDuensin	Nothing like doing 10 minutes of work over two days. <sheesh>	19:17
SDuensin	And it works!	19:20
SDuensin	:-)	19:20
SDuensin	Hey gang, since this is my first change to WebGUI core, would someone look at what I did before I commit it? It's only a few lines. I can send the files or a diff.	19:34
@perlmonkey2	SDuensin: I'll look at it if you want. You can just pastebin it or whatever.	19:36
SDuensin	ko	19:37
SDuensin	Ok, perlmonkey2 - Sorry. Was on the phone.	19:49
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8882 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/TimeField.pm t/Form/TimeField.pm):	19:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: Fix the timeField form control so that times don't creep.	19:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: Add tests. Lots of tests.	19:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8883 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document time field form fix.	19:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8884 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the TimeField form control, and add lots of tests.	19:50
SDuensin	perlmonkey2 - First file: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40bc82c7	19:51
SDuensin	Second: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f50bec5	19:52
SDuensin	Massive database change: ALTER TABLE Shelf ADD paginateAfter INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '25';	19:52
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perlmonkey21	SDuensin: I missed everything after the database update	19:58
SDuensin	There wasn't anything. :-P	19:59
SDuensin	[11:51] <SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - First file: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40bc82c7	19:59
SDuensin	[11:52] <SDuensin> Second: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f50bec5	19:59
SDuensin	[11:52] <SDuensin> Massive database change: ALTER TABLE Shelf ADD paginateAfter INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '25';	19:59
SDuensin	That's all.	19:59
perlmonkey21	oh, so no diff for Shelf?	19:59
SDuensin	Oh. I pasted the entire file.	19:59
SDuensin	Manual Diff: Lines 45-52. Line 304.	20:00
SDuensin	Language file starts at line 72.	20:01
SDuensin	Minor changes.	20:01
perlmonkey21	hmm, looks good to me.	20:02
SDuensin	I didn't look at the 7.6.x tree. It needs put in there yet.	20:03
SDuensin	BBIAF - Gonna get food before my teleconference starts.	20:03
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SDuensin	Quiet in here today.	21:22
+perlDreamer	muy	21:22
+perlDreamer	did you get your pagination work done?	21:22
SDuensin	Yep!	21:22
SDuensin	I need to do it in 7.6.x and check it in.	21:23
SDuensin	I'm watching a webinar on WaveMaker at the moment. It's giving me crazy ideas.	21:23
* SDuensin wants to add a custom application builder to WebGUI.		21:25
+perlDreamer	Isn't that what Thingy is supposed to be?	21:26
SDuensin	But MORE!	21:26
SDuensin	GUI layout, scripted logic for advanced stuff, etc.	21:26
+perlDreamer	What's the URL for the staff blog on pb.com?	21:37
+perlDreamer	for its RSS feed?	21:37
* SDuensin can't believe there doesn't seem to be a GUI Builder for YUI yet.		21:39
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+perlDreamer	if anyone notices that the demo server is slow, it's my wife's fault	21:48
SDuensin	hehehehe	21:49
+perlDreamer	she likes the initial site designer	21:49
+perlDreamer	maybe we need to fold that into the template wizard	21:49
SDuensin	Me too, but my god! What colors! Ack!	21:49
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Lisette	I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver?	22:15
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Lisette	i can do this in a workflow? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ea86eb9	22:54
+perlDreamer	Lisette, not really.	23:00
+perlDreamer	Workflows are not called with form parameters	23:00
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Lisette	then how to do to get the values of those fields?	23:06
+perlDreamer	you can't use a workflow	23:08
+perlDreamer	you have to make an asset, operation, URL plugin or a Content plugin	23:08
+perlDreamer	like making a new paydriver	23:09
+perlDreamer	that is a Content plugin (sub-type)	23:09
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8885 /experimental/HelpDesk/docs/HelpDesk: remove unused directories	23:36
Lisette	I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver?	23:36
@preaction	Lisette: and what have you tried?	23:37
+perlDreamer	she tried to make a workflow	23:37
@preaction	is this like a paypal thing?	23:38
+perlDreamer	sounds like a driver postback from gateway kind of thing	23:38
@preaction	it would post back to some ?shop=cart;method=gatewayPostback or something?	23:42
Lisette	yes	23:49
Lisette	somethig like that you say	23:49
Lisette	i have verified the value of a variable for to show the message thank you	23:49
Lisette	i have this in a paydriver	23:50
Lisette	perlDreamer the workflow was for a CS for the content managers can create products.	23:50
Lisette	are two things different	23:51
+perlDreamer	I see	23:51
Lisette	are two different questions, the first is that if you could do in a workflow to be able to take the values and create the product through a collaborative system, and the second is how do I get to make a site that is not done and WebGUI obtain the values of the form	23:53
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8886 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm docs/changelog):	00:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: Do not format the dateAssigned field if it's empty. Otherwise	00:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: session->datetime will choose "now" as the time for you.	00:06
CIA-41	WebGUI: translation * r8887 /translations/Polish/Polish/AuthWebGUI.pm: Update from translation server	00:06
daviddelikat	so I'm just getting started here, diggin into tickets and code...	00:15
daviddelikat	im working on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9150 and steping through the JS code	00:15
SDuensin	Howdy daviddelikat	00:15
* SDuensin is a n00b, too.		00:15
daviddelikat	what seems to be happenning is the 'add column' code is cloning the old column and it fails	00:15
@preaction	daviddelikat: are you looking at the edit schema dialog code or the code that processes that dialog? there's no cloning going on with the actual datatable, just insert and delete	00:17
daviddelikat	it is calling form.getelement('removeColumn_1') but the column id is 'yui-gen3-button'	00:17
daviddelikat	I'm looking at the code that runs when you press the add column button	00:17
@preaction	daviddelikat: but that's not the code causing the problem. the column is not added to the data table right away, only after Save is clicked	00:18
@preaction	or maybe i'm wrong, the bug report is unclear	00:18
daviddelikat	to be honest I couldn't say where it is in the system, fire bug put it up when i pushed the button	00:18
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daviddelikat	it looks like it is trying to add a column to the table in the shadow box that pops up when you push the edit schema button.	00:20
SDuensin	OK, when I do my changes for the Shelf, do you want me to add on to the latest upgrade package, too?	00:23
@preaction	SDuensin: are you adding a feature or is it a bugfix?	00:24
SDuensin	Kinda both. It had no way to set the page size for pagination.	00:24
SDuensin	So it does something new, but it's something it should have done anyway.	00:25
@preaction	it's something new though, so a new feature, so it would have to go into a beta version, but we're under a feature freeze right now, so only JT can approve non-bugfix commits to HEAD	00:25
SDuensin	OK, well I have the changes in my SVN here. I can commit whenever.	00:26
SDuensin	I really needed it for a client, so I'll just deploy to my own site for now.	00:26
SDuensin	Maybe.	00:26
SDuensin	:-)	00:26
@preaction	personally, i'd make it into a patch and save it in /data/WebGUI/patches so that you can apply it again if you have to upgrade webgui before the change goes into core	00:27
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SDuensin	Might do that. Not gonna sweat it just yet. I still have to write the rest of the crazy ass navigation system they want that needs it.	00:29
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+perlDreamer	Does anyone know why the Product is set to be a container in the default WebGUI.conf file?	00:35
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@Haarg	nope	00:41
@Haarg	seems odd	00:42
Lisette	preaction, how to do "?shop=cart;method=gatewayPostback" in a paydriver?	00:42
@preaction	Lisette: i don't know. perhaps look at WebGUI::Content::Shop to see how methods get dispatched?	00:42
Lisette	ok, thanks	00:49
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perlmonkey21	Scalar::Util::weaken unavailable during install of Class::InsideOut. That error ring a bell with anyone?	01:08
patspam	perlmonkey21: hola	01:10
perlmonkey21	hello patspam	01:10
perlmonkey21	what's the word?	01:10
patspam	just reading your comments on survey bundles	01:10
CIA-41	WebGUI: translation * r8888 /translations/Polish/Polish/VersionTag.pm: Update from translation server	01:10
perlmonkey21	patspam: link?	01:11
patspam	http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9232	01:11
patspam	do you mean the originals would be immutable?	01:11
perlmonkey21	well that would be easiest. To graft on a changeable system to the current one.	01:11
perlmonkey21	But the question types could be taken completely out of the code and then mutability would be optional.	01:12
patspam	yeah. ideally I'd like to be able to disable the existing bundles that aren't relevant to my site	01:12
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey21: You are working on a red hat system for this C::IO install?	01:13
perlmonkey21	patspam: could even make their definitions export/importable.	01:13
perlmonkey21	perlDreamer: err, I didn't even look at the OS :P	01:13
patspam	yeah that'd be sweet	01:14
+perlDreamer	Red Hat's Scalar::Util package has been known to be bad for a long time	01:14
+perlDreamer	if they are using WRE, probably fine, but double check your path	01:14
perlmonkey21	ELxenU	01:14
patspam	where do you envisage the admin interface for it living?	01:14
perlmonkey21	patspam: good question. I think the best place would be to add some tabs to the editor view to allow question types to be altered/deleted/added.	01:15
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perlmonkey21	as eventually another tab will have to be added to break out random word lists from individual questions	01:15
perlmonkey21	perlDreamer: yes, it is using the WRE.	01:16
patspam	asset edit or survey edit screen?	01:16
perlmonkey21	Wondering if there is some C::IO gotcha, as I know I've ran into this before, but don't recall how I resolved it.	01:16
Lisette	i do a post in one CS and verified in the database the userdefined* and this is in null, why?	01:16
perlmonkey21	patspam: survey edit screen	01:16
perlmonkey21	asset edit would be a little awkward and not give us the fast AJAX editing interface.	01:16
+perlDreamer	Lisette, when you posted to the CS, did you fill out the userdefined fields?	01:17
perlmonkey21	perlDreamer: you're a contractor now, maybe I can hire you to wrap this up for me. It's nearly done, just needs some trial runs through the updates and a little testing :D	01:17
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey21: I'm fully booked. You'd have to talk to my bosses.	01:17
+perlDreamer	Or outbid them :=)	01:18
perlmonkey21	perlDreamer: who's your boss?	01:18
+perlDreamer	I work for a very, very nice man in Australia	01:18
+perlDreamer	and a very, very nice man in Wisconsin	01:18
@preaction	but what about plainblack?	01:18
perlmonkey21	and I can't outbid as I'd have to pay double for this job.	01:18
Lisette	the userdefined i used to like a form, i fill this fields and when i do a post this is null	01:18
perlmonkey21	preaction: those jokers would just assign it back to me.	01:19
+perlDreamer	Lisette, that could very well be a bug. Can you duplicate it on a demo site?	01:19
@preaction	perlmonkey21: those jerks... someone should talk to them	01:19
perlmonkey21	preaction: how are things with you? still reveling in your fame and glory from your last trip?	01:20
@preaction	ha! drudging through performance issues in WebGUI	01:20
Lisette	wait me a moment i verified something	01:20
+perlDreamer	What? WebGUI has performance issues? Blasphemy	01:20
patspam	preaction: are you using NYTProf?	01:22
@preaction	patspam: yesm	01:22
perlmonkey21	hmm, is it even possible to run 7.4/7.5 on WRE 0.7.2?	01:22
patspam	legend!	01:22
@Haarg	it may be perlmonkey21, but i wouldn't want to try it	01:22
patspam	I had it on my todo to sit down and learn it properly, and then focus its bottleneck destroying beam on webgui	01:23
perlmonkey21	Haarg: heh, okay, I guess I should update the WRE also, even though that wasn't specc'd.	01:23
Lisette	perlDreamer i use 7.5.25 the demo site what version is?	01:24
+perlDreamer	7.5.35	01:24
+perlDreamer	That's why I asked. This bug may have been fixed in the latest version of WebGUI.	01:24
Lisette	you sure? there is not 7.6.x?	01:24
+perlDreamer	ah, for demo.webgui.org, it is 7.5.35. for beta.webgui.org, it is 7.6.5	01:25
Lisette	ok, i do in the demo site, wait me please	01:25
+perlDreamer	yo espero con pacienca y grazia	01:25
Lisette	bueno, entonces espereme mientras yo creo un nuevo CS y le cambio las plantillas	01:26
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Lisette	listo, ya lo hice	01:47
Lisette	perlDreamer, i do in the demo site, how to do to verified?	01:51
+perlDreamer	Lisette, you can set up a SQL Report to check the db and make sure that your data is in there.	01:51
+perlDreamer	the other option is to change the View Thread template to display userDefined values.	01:52
Lisette	how to do the second option?	01:55
+perlDreamer	Double checking	02:00
+perlDreamer	Edit the CS	02:00
+perlDreamer	Choose the Display tab	02:00
+perlDreamer	For the "Collaboration System Thread Template", choose Edit	02:01
+perlDreamer	that will take you to the template	02:01
+perlDreamer	add the userdefined variables to inside the post_loop	02:01
+perlDreamer	save	02:01
Lisette	yo ya hice eso y no me las muestra	02:02
+perlDreamer	what is the URL for the demo server?	02:02
Lisette	http://demo.webgui.org/demo1228864608_433/home/pruebas/productos	02:06
Lisette	do you see anything?	02:10
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+perlDreamer	I don't think the template variables are in the correct place in the template	02:11
+perlDreamer	Let's set up a SQL Report instead	02:11
+perlDreamer	the SQL report says empty, too	02:13
Lisette	then i have to check my template?	02:17
+perlDreamer	if it displays the form, then there shouldn't be any Post Form template problems	02:21
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Lisette	then what is the problem? :-/	02:28
+perlDreamer	That is a very good question.	02:36
+perlDreamer	On my dev site, it is working fine	02:36
+perlDreamer	I put userDefined form variables into the template, then do a SQL query	02:37
+perlDreamer	and they all show up	02:37
+perlDreamer	on the demo site, however, they do not	02:38
+perlDreamer	they do not show up in the db, nor in the post template	02:38
Lisette	mmmm	02:39
Lisette	what is your version?	02:39
Lisette	you do this with the same template?	02:40
+perlDreamer	I am using one version up, 7.5.36 (from SVN)	02:43
Lisette	and the template?	02:43
+perlDreamer	A little different.	02:44
+perlDreamer	I set up a new demo site that is working fine	02:45
+perlDreamer	http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1228869202_300/home	02:45
+perlDreamer	so i suspect there is something funny about your template	02:45
Lisette	ok, im going to check, thank so much perlDreamer	02:47
+perlDreamer	You're welcome, Lisette	02:48
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Lisette	i have another question perlDreamer, the template by default is the same in the version 7.4.x and 7.5.x?	02:51
+perlDreamer	they may be the same, Lisette. You would have to go through the changelog and check.	02:51
+perlDreamer	even then, it is hard to tell since some bugs are not well written	02:51
+perlDreamer	you suspect a problem from the upgrade?	02:52
Lisette	no	02:53
Lisette	the template is made by another person, but this person have the version 7.4.x and i 7.5.25	02:54
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+perlDreamer	Lisette, that can work sometimes, but it's not the safest way to do development.	02:55
Mech422	and here we have a solution looking for a webgui 'problem' to solve: http://www.danga.com/mogilefs/	02:57
Lisette	ok, thanks	02:57
Lisette	i put your template in my dev site and now works!	03:02
+perlDreamer	awesome!	03:18
+perlDreamer	Tengo curiosidad que la diferencia entre las plantissas es.	03:20
Lisette	platillas	03:49
Lisette	plantillas	03:49
+perlDreamer	si, plantillas. Gracias	04:09
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8889 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	04:58
CIA-41	WebGUI: Have testEnvironment.pl crap out if it can't find the required modules.	04:58
CIA-41	WebGUI: Change the pay driver to use the user supplied label, rather than the module type for	04:58
CIA-41	WebGUI: labels and buttons.	04:58
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8890 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Flesh out the ResponseJSON test more. Add POD.	04:58
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8891 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	04:58
CIA-41	WebGUI: Forward port PayDriver button and labeling fix.	04:58
CIA-41	WebGUI: Forward port testEnvironment fix for not having prerequisite perl modules.	04:58
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patspam	would it be hard to make Wg:Form:Combo dynamicCompatible?	05:34
+perlDreamer	yes	05:44
+perlDreamer	the problem comes when you need to add to the list of possible values.	05:44
+perlDreamer	the form element has to have some kind of callback to its parent	05:44
+perlDreamer	is the combo box a show stopper for you in the survey?	05:48
patspam	no, i was running up against it in Thingy	05:51
patspam	but should be ok, I'm implementing an Wg::Form::AutoComplete using YUI instead	05:51
@preaction	autocomplete?	05:52
@preaction	i'd be careful, those things are nasty on the server	05:52
patspam	yeah, a yui-powered autocomplete box	05:52
patspam	nah using a pre-populated js array, no ajax	05:52
patspam	eg. the possible values become the js array	05:53
@preaction	ah	05:53
+perlDreamer	this is embarassing	05:53
+perlDreamer	I need some CGI help	05:53
+perlDreamer	for the translation server	05:53
+perlDreamer	the forms are all setup to redirect to /	05:53
+perlDreamer	and I can't get / to call up and run the translation server	05:53
@preaction	so it's a configuration issue?	05:54
+perlDreamer	it has to be	05:55
@preaction	did you check the error log?	05:56
+perlDreamer	yes	05:56
@preaction	and?	05:56
+perlDreamer	Attempt to serve directory: /data/domains/mywebgui.localdomain/www/cgi/	05:56
@preaction	do you have a DirectoryIndex index.cgi <- in your configuration?	05:57
+perlDreamer	DirectoryIndex translationserver.cgi	05:57
@preaction	oh right	05:58
@preaction	and DocumentRoot is that directory? no trailing /?	05:58
+perlDreamer	I'll paste the config	05:58
+perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5e60157b	05:59
@preaction	perlDreamer: no SetHandler perl-script, that's bad	06:02
@preaction	it forces all requests to be handled by perl-script, overriding cgi-script for .cgi	06:03
+perlDreamer	isn't that the vanilla mod_perl/cgi config?	06:03
+perlDreamer	I'll remove it and try it anyway	06:03
+perlDreamer	no change	06:04
+perlDreamer	still trying to serve up a directory	06:04
@preaction	mod_perl != CGI	06:04
@preaction	both SetHandlers?	06:04
@preaction	there are two i saw	06:04
@preaction	also, get rid of the ModPerl::Registry stuff, and the PerlOptions, we don't need them	06:05
@preaction	this is just boring CGI	06:05
@preaction	oh, also <Directory /> refers to the / of your filesystem	06:05
@preaction	you want <Location />	06:05
+perlDreamer	okay, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e8d2542	06:09
+perlDreamer	bbiaw, time for kids	06:10
@preaction	perlDreamer: scriptalias isn't necessary, also i believe it needs to be "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl" but i might be wrong there	06:10
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+perlDreamer	that did it. Thanks preaction	06:41
+perlDreamer	man, all that work to test a 12 character fix	06:42
+perlDreamer	but it's better than committing blind, and breaking something	06:46
@preaction	true enough	06:49
@preaction	i had to go through that much when i had a fix for that thing too, so don't feel bad ;)	06:49
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@preaction	perlDreamer: CGI scripts don't need rebooting. the interpreter is reloaded and the script rerun every request	06:55
+perlDreamer	I remember that much, preaction :)	06:55
@preaction	oh. someone has to install the fix	06:55
+perlDreamer	yes, on PB's server	06:55
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CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8893 /WebGUI/t/ (Storage.t Storage/Image.t): remove remnants of caseInsensitiveOS in tests	08:40
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8894 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixing misuse of pod for commenting out code	08:40
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8895 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.6 release	08:40
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8896 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.6-beta: Release 7.6.6-beta	08:40
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CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8897 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.7 dev	09:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8898 /branch/WebGUI_flux/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js):	09:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: Flagging of invalid Survey fields now uses CSS classes instead of <font> tags	09:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: (for skinnability)	09:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8899 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'thingy' into flux	09:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8900 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Form/AutoComplete.pm Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Added experimental WebGUI::Form::AutoComplete	09:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8901 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Style tweaks to AutoComplete	09:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8902 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Some bug fixes to AutoComplete.pm	09:15
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@preaction	daviddelikat: do you have a patch for your fix? if so, I can commit it for you	01:26
xdanger	yeah! there was a fire in out power distribution room today...	01:26
xdanger	from afternoon until midnight	01:26
xdanger	without power	01:27
@preaction	xdanger: nice. how's your data?	01:27
xdanger	that's fine. The fire was in the building opposite of us	01:27
@preaction	that's good at least	01:28
xdanger	just that the whole datacenter was out, and the electricity company recovered us last	01:28
daviddelikat	preaction: I am working that out now. I have some old habits like code reviews and such that I have to get over in this opensource world....	01:28
@preaction	daviddelikat: they're not bad habits, before i commit someone else's code, i will definately be reviewing it	01:29
daviddelikat	preaction: thanks, I feel better now.	01:29
@preaction	it just might be faster for me to do it, since i've been inundated in the webgui coding guidelines and best practices	01:29
@preaction	also, because i wrote the datatable and really want this bug to be fixed (it worked fine when i checked it in, i swear to god)	01:30
daviddelikat	I used to do that too (swear) but I learned better now.	01:30
@preaction	F/OSS doesn't mean you get to forgoe those programming practices that are useful and encourage good code, though the "having to get a non-programmer's approval" is one thing that's done away with	01:31
daviddelikat	so i don't have to explain what i did to a rock?	01:32
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8913 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/DomainName.pm):	01:35
CIA-41	WebGUI: improved dns zone file generation	01:35
CIA-41	WebGUI: removed alias number on site listings without one	01:35
CIA-41	WebGUI: added imap/pop/smtp/webmail info on mail management screen	01:35
daviddelikat	preaction: patch is posted to http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9150	01:55
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@preaction	daviddelikat: seems like everything's in order. one note: your whitespace was a bit mixed up, prevented the patch getting applied the first time. WebGUI sets indents at 4 chars and uses spaces instead of tab (dunno if that was your problem or not)	02:13
@preaction	daviddelikat: but now the important bit: Who gets credit for this bugfix in the changelog?	02:14
daviddelikat	preaction: is this like a race? its my first time. where's the change log? am i too late? aaahhh!!!	02:22
daviddelikat	I guess I was hoping i could get =credit for it	02:23
daviddelikat	:)	02:23
@preaction	daviddelikat: no, you ARE getting credit for it, i just need to know who you are. are you "David Delikat" or "Deli Kat Solutions, Inc."	02:25
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daviddelikat	preaction: oh, sorry for the drama, too much coffee... just David Delikat will do	02:29
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@preaction	k, sounds good	02:29
CIA-41	WebGUI: doug * r8914 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9150: Edit Data Table - Cannot add column (David Delikat)	02:39
+Radix-wrk	nice work david :)	02:42
@preaction	indeed. that code looks much more useful now	02:42
daviddelikat	thanks	02:42
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daviddelikat	I'm looking at http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9217	03:14
daviddelikat	i managed to reproduce it, and I also noticed that it always asks for a new section	03:15
daviddelikat	is this the way it is supposed to be?	03:15
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elnino	not webgui related - just wondering if anyone has a recommended web - tree control that I can move items around between levels and then save the heirarchy?	06:10
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+Radix-wrk	Ooooh.. wierd.. "Revisions In Tag: Visitor / 12/ 3/2008 11:12 am"	07:24
+Radix-wrk	Really odd.. Visitor has made five changes to a thread in forum that is internal only according to the version tag.	07:25
daviddelikat	does anybody know the connect string for the database? or where i can find it?	07:30
daviddelikat	found it...	07:34
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CIA-41	WebGUI: yung * r8915 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added tooltips to Matrix attributes	17:20
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SDuensin	Greetings.	17:46
+MrHairgrease	Greasings!	17:47
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8916 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/DomainName.pm: fixed deleting from server	18:21
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8917 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.36/shopping-cart-collateral-items_address-default.wgpkg: Internationalize the title of the add address screen.	18:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8918 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.6/shopping-cart-collateral-items_address-default.wgpkg: Forward port address book title i18n fix	18:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8919 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Template the ITransact add credentials screen.	18:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8920 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Forward port templated ITransact edit credentials screen.	18:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8921 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the read more link in the syndicated articles template.	18:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8922 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port syndicated articles i18n template fix	18:50
@perlmonkey2	can you upgrade directly from wre 7.2 to 8.5?	19:03
@Haarg	wre?	19:06
@Haarg	there is no direct upgrade path from 0.7 to 0,8	19:06
@perlmonkey2	Haarg: so how would you get a 0.7.2 to an 0.8 series?	19:06
@Haarg	you have to do a clean install of 0.8, then import the needed files, databases	19:06
@perlmonkey2	do we have a wiki explaining how to do all that?	19:07
@Haarg	yes	19:13
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@tavisto	perldreamer, I noticed that the payment driver label issue has been resolved in the 7.6.6... that's awesome	19:34
@tavisto	or actually I guess that was more of an RFE.. but it's cool either way	19:35
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wgGuest22	Hey guys I'm upgrading from 7.4.21 to the current stable. I know I need to upgrade to 7.4.40 first. Are there any other intermediate upgrades I need to make along the path? Right now when I move to 7.4.40 I'm getting an error saying that my site's conf file is invalid.	20:06
+perlDreamer	tavisto, it was registered as two different bugs	20:07
@preaction	wgGuest22: what do the gotchas say?	20:07
+perlDreamer	so it got fixed	20:07
+perlDreamer	wgGuest22 /data/WebGUI/docs/gotchas.txt	20:09
wgGuest22	I read the gotchas and only saw the 7.4.40.	20:09
wgGuest22	I've already made all the CPAN updates included therein	20:10
wgGuest22	I only check the gotchas in 7.5.31. I'll read the gotchas from 7.4.40 and see what they say.	20:11
@preaction	the 7.5.31 gotchas include the ones from 7.4.40	20:13
@tavisto	excellent	20:14
@tavisto	that's great perldreamer	20:14
@tavisto	it's one of those... "this should be simple and make sense" and it didnt previously	20:14
@tavisto	:)	20:14
+perlDreamer	well, we did fix this once, but it wasn't the right fix	20:14
@tavisto	well it looks like you did it the right way now and it works exactly as a non-technical person setting up a webgui-based store would think :)	20:16
wgGuest22	I only see the 7.4.40 step. Any thoughts on what may cause my sites conf file to throw an error? I'm on WRE 0.8.3 Do I need to upgrade/reinstall that as well?	20:19
@Haarg	what is the exact error you are seeing?	20:21
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+perlDreamer	wgGuest22: why don't you paste the error that you are seeing into a pastebin: webgui.pastebin.com. Then post the URL that it gives you back here.	20:29
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: safe to commit still?	21:20
+perlDreamer	1 last bug for today	21:20
@Haarg	yeah	21:20
+perlDreamer	it _is_ your bug, so I figured you might want it fixed	21:20
+perlDreamer	you're killing me Haarg	21:25
+perlDreamer	here I try to be nice by fixing all your bugs	21:25
+perlDreamer	and you keep submitting more	21:25
@Haarg	heh	21:25
@Haarg	which one this time?	21:25
+perlDreamer	the LDAP one	21:25
@Haarg	ah	21:25
+perlDreamer	but tabb passed me the fix for the site starter floats issue	21:25
+perlDreamer	and it's in	21:26
+perlDreamer	Kathy's been using the site starter and template wizards, and I have a whole bunch of ideas for 7.7	21:26
+perlDreamer	like making them one and the same	21:26
+perlDreamer	and adding a right nav option, in addition to left and top	21:27
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8923 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/Asset.t: add test for quote processing in fixTitle	21:30
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8924 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix CSS style issue with clearing floats in site starter template	21:30
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8925 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: forward porting quotes in asset title fixTitle test	21:30
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8926 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm): Forward porting site starter css fix for clears and page content positioning.	21:30
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8927 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (5 files): data scrubing scripts	21:30
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+perlDreamer	unbelieveable. I can't use dates from Shawshank since they're all before 1970	21:39
@Haarg	no negative numbers?	21:39
@Haarg	that could acually be something extra worth putting in tests	21:40
+perlDreamer	negative epochs?	21:40
@Haarg	yeah	21:41
@preaction	You can check on Perl's status here: http://isperlalive.com/	21:51
Bernd_	Can someone help me with understanding Aspects?	21:53
Bernd_	I am trying to understand a comment by JT, in which he claimed	21:53
Bernd_	that Assets and Aspects do not come magically together.	21:53
Bernd_	But they require some glue.	21:53
Bernd_	I just had a look at WikiPage, which uses the Comments aspect.	21:54
Bernd_	I cannot see any glue there.	21:54
Bernd_	All it does is inherit Comments.	21:54
Bernd_	And that is exactly how I would have expected it to work.	21:54
Bernd_	What am I missing?	21:54
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8928 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	21:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: Change ResponseJSON to use a proper mutator for startTime.	21:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: Add tests for startTime.	21:55
CIA-41	WebGUI: Survey uses the accessor, and no longer needs to manually set startTime.	21:55
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: that's the whole glue. The magic is done by Class::C3	21:57
+perlDreamer	preaction: under what circumstancees does it say "No"?	21:58
@preaction	perlDreamer: it doesn't :p	21:58
+perlDreamer	heh	21:58
+perlDreamer	snort	21:58
Bernd_	So what does he mean then by this remark: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/the-death-of-the-collaboration-system/14	21:58
@preaction	Bernd_: it means there may be Aspects that require more glue code than just "use base ( myAspect )"	21:59
Bernd_	But isn't that rather a matter of proper encapsulation?	22:00
Bernd_	If Aspect.pm is designed properly, inheritage should always be sufficient.	22:00
Bernd_	inheritance	22:00
SDuensin	How on earth can I downgrade/upgrade my server and only have one site not work?	22:00
Bernd_	preaction, right or wrong?	22:01
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: Aspects provide additional methods to any Asset	22:01
+perlDreamer	so, for example, in the WikiPage, you'll see that it makes a call to $self->getFormattedComments	22:02
@preaction	Bernd_: no. aspects may require information from the asset, or the asset may have to make a choice on how the aspect should carry out a certain task.	22:02
wgGuest22	I'm back. I was having a problem upgrading to 7.4.40. I tried upgrading a backup verson of webgui but am running into the same error. I've uploaded the error message to http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6173a6fc	22:02
+perlDreamer	all that you needed to do to get that method was use inheritance	22:02
Bernd_	perlDreaer, so there is some glue even in WikiPage.	22:03
+perlDreamer	yes	22:03
Bernd_	I missed that one since I was only looking for $self->next::something calls.	22:03
+perlDreamer	and, in general, like preaction said, it may require more glue, method calls	22:04
Bernd_	Alright, I got it then.	22:04
Bernd_	Thanks for helping me understand.	22:04
+perlDreamer	sure :)	22:04
+perlDreamer	wgGuest22: did you check your config file for JSON syntax errors?	22:04
+perlDreamer	missing and/or extra commas	22:04
+perlDreamer	unquoted strings?	22:05
+perlDreamer	and the like	22:05
wgGuest22	I looked through it and didn't see anything unusual. I saw on instance of empty [] but I saw that in another conf file too. The site is/was loading fine.	22:06
Bernd_	perlDreamer, but why not create some plug-in architecture to allow Comments to register and fill its own template variables?	22:06
Bernd_	That way you could totally avoid the glue.	22:06
wgGuest22	I did update the JSON module per the Gotcha. Would that affect how the file is read?	22:07
Bernd_	Overriding the view method would not work.	22:07
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: No, it would have to have broken out template variable setting methods, like in the Calendar	22:07
+perlDreamer	but that concept would work fine	22:07
+perlDreamer	except that it would limit where comments can be used	22:07
@preaction	yeah, that would limit flexibility	22:08
+perlDreamer	you have no idea in which method the "parent" would have comments	22:08
Bernd_	But doesn't it all come down to adding template variables and properties?	22:08
+perlDreamer	yes	22:08
wgGuest22	I am running WRE 0.8.3 I didn't see anything in the gotchas about that. Could this be an issue?	22:09
Bernd_	What about adding a "templateVariables" method to Asset, which returns a ref to the respective structure.	22:09
Bernd_	That one could be overridden and extended by Aspects.	22:09
Bernd_	Later on it is called by the view method, a template processed and the result returned.	22:09
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: template variables change based on the individual screen	22:09
Bernd_	No glue needed.	22:09
Bernd_	Screen? I cannot follow.	22:09
Bernd_	Can you give an example?	22:10
+perlDreamer	www_view is one "screen" for an asset	22:10
+perlDreamer	it's the default, and most common one	22:10
+perlDreamer	but in the gallery, it could be called www_viewAlbum	22:10
Bernd_	And www_edit is another one?	22:10
+perlDreamer	yup	22:10
+perlDreamer	and www_viewAlbum would have different template variables from www_view	22:11
Bernd_	And how do we switch between them?	22:11
Bernd_	Is that done by ?func=somehting ?	22:11
+perlDreamer	yes	22:11
Bernd_	something	22:11
+perlDreamer	func=view is the default. func=edit	22:11
+perlDreamer	would call www_edit	22:11
Bernd_	I see.	22:11
+perlDreamer	that's what preaction meant by a lack of flexibility	22:11
Bernd_	But wouldn't have the Aspect to aware of screens anyhow?	22:12
+perlDreamer	no	22:12
+perlDreamer	it just adds a form, and some html code for displaying	22:12
+perlDreamer	it doesn't care who calls it	22:12
@preaction	the aspect can add screens, could override screens, but we currently have no method of combining two www_screen methods into one output	22:12
Bernd_	Hm.	22:13
Bernd_	But how many different screens would you expect for the comments aspect?	22:13
Bernd_	Is it really that much of a loss in flexibility?	22:13
@preaction	if we took a page out of the MVC handbook, and had www_screen return an object that could create an HTML page (instead of the HTML itself), then we could use that object to add or modify stuff	22:13
@preaction	Bernd_: there already is a getTemplateVars convention being used in a lot of places in WebGUI	22:14
Bernd_	Uh. Can't follow.	22:14
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: for the cost of 1 line of code, the current aspect can be used on any screen	22:14
Bernd_	But it is not plug'n'play.	22:15
Bernd_	You always have to add some code.	22:15
Bernd_	Individual solutions in each case.	22:15
@preaction	the problem with a getTemplateVars method is that it has to be cheap, because you might want to use those template variables in other pages. (the Gallery, for example, uses getTemplateVars from GalleryAlbum, which uses getTemplateVars from GalleryFile)	22:15
+perlDreamer	it's not fully automated, but again, the cost is low	22:15
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Bernd_	The reason I am interested in Aspects is because of the discussion with JT I have mentioned before.	22:16
@preaction	Bernd_: to elaborate on the "www_ returns an object": Instead of "www_view" returning an HTML string, it returns a WebGUI::Response object containing the raw variables, the template to use, the style template to use, and later in the request we can combine them together to get the HTML	22:16
Bernd_	Sounds good to me.	22:17
Bernd_	So why not?	22:17
@preaction	that complicates things, and completely destroys the API	22:17
+perlDreamer	yeah	22:17
Bernd_	There is always a time to make things better.	22:17
Bernd_	Let us rewrite WebGUI from scratch :-)	22:17
Bernd_	You would have to do the work, of course.	22:18
@preaction	WebGUI 8 is the time we can break the API	22:18
Bernd_	Where can I post RFEs?	22:18
Bernd_	But seriously, would that be interesting to change the www_ methods?	22:18
Bernd_	I believe it would be really cool, if you could extend existing Assets by some kind of plug'n'play architecture.	22:19
Bernd_	That would allow non-perl programmers to do a lot of cool stuff.	22:19
Bernd_	Coming back to the CS:	22:19
Bernd_	You would not have decide between the HelpDesk, blog, forum etc.	22:20
Bernd_	But could combine your CS out of a basic CS class and mixing in all kinds of Aspects.	22:20
@preaction	Bernd_: i've been advocating that change for a while	22:20
Bernd_	You are my man!	22:20
Bernd_	Let me guess: JT said no?	22:20
@preaction	no, afaik JT likes it but it's an API break	22:21
@preaction	we're not talking the normal "oh, this might affect a few people" break, it's a "This changes how all assets must be written" break	22:21
Bernd_	I am totally aware of it.	22:21
Bernd_	Lots of work. Lots of new bugs to fix.	22:21
@preaction	well, it would be possible to determine if the asset returned a string or an object, but what about those utilities that expect a string and instead get an object?	22:22
@preaction	so it wouldn't be too bad really	22:22
Bernd_	But good news for perlDreamer: he won't run out of work.	22:22
Bernd_	So is there a realistic chance, this will come in WebGUI 8?	22:23
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Bernd_	Once again, where can I propose this/start a discussion?	22:23
Bernd_	The dev forum?	22:23
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@preaction	there is a possibility, and once there's an open RFE, a discussion could be started on the dev forum, yes	22:24
Bernd_	I will try to put it in simple words and open an RFE.	22:24
Lisette	There is a way to make filters with thingy?	22:25
rizen_	Bernd_: hates me	22:25
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+perlDreamer	eek, it's rizen!	22:26
Bernd_	Who does? Me?	22:26
Bernd_	Why do you think so?	22:26
Lisette	anyone knows about thingy?	22:27
Bernd_	Have I shown my dislike too openly :-P	22:27
Bernd_	I must be more careful in the future.	22:28
@rizen	because you plague me with this request	22:29
@rizen	i don't want it	22:29
@rizen	even if it were possible	22:29
Bernd_	Who cares?	22:29
Bernd_	preaction said you like it.	22:30
@rizen	you should, since i get to decide if it goes in	22:30
@rizen	no preaction was talking about returning objects from www_ methods	22:30
@preaction	i think he means the one you've been discussing in the forums	22:30
Bernd_	It is not really for me.	22:30
@rizen	not the crazy pluggable cs thing	22:30
Bernd_	WebGUI already has all I want.	22:30
@rizen	then why are you arguing it?	22:30
Bernd_	Because I believe it is an extremely useful feature.	22:31
Bernd_	Very powerful and probably unique.	22:31
Bernd_	Why no plugins for the CS?	22:31
+perlDreamer	Bernd_: you want it to be fully automated, with the only "glue" code involved being inheriting from the Aspect?	22:31
Bernd_	Right.	22:32
+perlDreamer	or something different?	22:32
Bernd_	No.	22:32
Bernd_	The task would be to redesign Asset in a way,	22:32
Bernd_	overriding existing methods would be sufficient.	22:32
Bernd_	What is so bad about it?	22:32
@rizen	there are many things bad about it	22:32
Bernd_	Sounds like proper class design to me?!	22:33
Bernd_	I am reading...	22:33
@rizen	1) when someone decides they'll plug in their own BS class which then destroys something, but they blame it on WG	22:33
@preaction	it's proper class design only when you're talking about single inheritence	22:33
@rizen	2) it's more complicated and produces less flexibility (because the glue that you're worried about provides flexibility)	22:34
Bernd_	BS = bull shit?	22:34
@rizen	yup	22:34
Bernd_	Is there a 3) to come?	22:34
@rizen	3) aspects are not necessarily designed to play well together, but with this approach you'll be forcing them to be, which isn't necessarily desirable	22:34
Bernd_	Ok, stop it. I have had enough.	22:35
Bernd_	Alternative suggestion:	22:35
@rizen	4) the more aspects you plug together, the slower the asset will become...but users won't think "oh this giant megalith asset i just created is too damn big and that's why it's so slow", they'll think "WebGUI is a slow pile of shit"	22:35
Bernd_	What about packing all the glue into a separate class that can be plugged into the CS?	22:36
Bernd_	That would be a compromise.	22:36
@rizen	no, cuz you're still making the glue already in a hard form	22:36
@rizen	so it's inflexible	22:36
Bernd_	That is one separate class per Aspect that should be made pluggable.	22:36
Bernd_	How much flexibility do you need for the CS?	22:36
@rizen	and it makes the slowness and complexity problems even bigger	22:36
Bernd_	But since you plug only the Aspects you need, why should there be a performance drawback?	22:37
@rizen	Bernd_: if you have to ask that question, you aren't even in a position to be discussing this	22:37
Bernd_	Which one?	22:37
@rizen	either	22:37
@rizen	both	22:37
Bernd_	Hm. Not sure what you mean.	22:38
@rizen	perlDreamer, preaction, or any other dev here. have i said anything above that is untrue or even slightly misrepresented?	22:38
@perlmonkey2	Okay, I'm trying to update wre 0.7.2 to 0.8.5. So I move the old wre to wretemp. MV WebGUI to WebGUItemp. Then deploy 0.8.5. When the wreconsole prompts for what type of install, I move WebGUItemp to WebGUI and chose manual. Now in the past, the wre then goes on to set up the mysql tables and init the wre. But now it just drops into the add a site menu, doing nothing else.	22:39
@preaction	i'm half paying attention, but no	22:39
+perlDreamer	rizen: I think the stuff about calling webgui a slow pile of shit will happen regardless of aspect use or not. We've seen that with the site review on TBB. Aside from that, no.	22:39
@preaction	i'm not quite sure what exactly Bernd_ wants. is it a way for users to check off which features they want in their collaboration system?	22:40
@preaction	as the CS is created, on a per-CS basis?	22:40
Bernd_	preaction, exactly that.	22:40
SDuensin	Users need beat. They call WebGUI slow before even trying it! I'm shocked how many see it's written in Perl and immediately write it off. :-(	22:40
@rizen	Bernd_ wants all the pieces of the CS turned into aspects (like i plan to do), but then wants a new CS asset that will allow him to pick which aspects (from all the aspects out there) to put into his new custom CS	22:41
@preaction	Bernd_: i would say that by just having all the aspects inside the CS, you can pick which ones you use, no?	22:41
@rizen	perlmonkey2: it can't set up databases for sites you don't have	22:41
@rizen	perlmonkey2: did you do a mysqldump of all your old databases before shutting down the old wre?	22:42
Bernd_	preaction, but then we end up with the CS we already have.	22:42
@rizen	perlmonkey2: cuz you should have, and then import them into the new db	22:42
Bernd_	The idea was to plug only what you need and keep the burden on the server low.	22:42
@perlmonkey2	rizen: yes, I have everything	22:43
Bernd_	But if I got rizen correctly that would not be the case for whatever reason.	22:43
@perlmonkey2	rizen: so I should not do a manual deploy of the old WebGUI directoy	22:43
Bernd_	Ok, seems like the discussion is over.	22:45
Bernd_	Not going to bug you any further.	22:45
@rizen	perlmonkey2: i don't know exactly what you're trying to do, call me on skype and i'll walk you through it	22:46
@perlmonkey2	k	22:47
@rizen	Bernd_: the megalith cs is not going to happen	22:47
@rizen	Bernd_: but if you want to discuss it further i'm happy to	22:47
Bernd_	No. No need.	22:47
Bernd_	As I said - it is not for me particularly.	22:48
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: I keep building test code that mimics the survey by accident	22:48
+perlDreamer	surveyOrder looks almost exactly like my buildSurveyDummy test method	22:48
@perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: cause the survey is dumb?	22:48
Bernd_	It just seems we do have very different perspectives.	22:48
@perlmonkey2	rizen: I don't see you online.	22:48
+perlDreamer	no, because I keep reinventing the wheel	22:48
@preaction	it sounds like Bernd_ wants "plugins", not "Aspects". Aspect is an OO concept. Plugins sounds like they'd do what you'd want (a UI to choose which plugins are active for which instance of an asset)	22:49
Bernd_	preaction, you are probably right.	22:49
Bernd_	In fact, you could have both - aspects and plugins next to each other.	22:49
Bernd_	Or actually write some code that uses Aspects to generate plugins.	22:50
* perlDreamer takes a break. be back in 30-45		22:50
Bernd_	Should not be too difficult to implement for the CS.	22:50
Bernd_	That was one of my original points.	22:50
@preaction	i understand your argument, but it would require a lot of work. especially the API and UI so that end-users would not get confused when things did not work as expected.	22:52
@preaction	the asset API itself would need to change to be easier for plugin developers (or even Possible)	22:52
@preaction	worst-case, we'd have to use Class::MOP or Moose for Assets	22:53
Bernd_	We could start with a simple plugin API for the CS.	22:53
@preaction	in order to make Plugins even remotely useful	22:53
Bernd_	That would be a starting point.	22:53
Bernd_	It is going to be rewritten anyhow.	22:53
Bernd_	For the CS it should really be sufficient to allow plugins to register template variables and properties.	22:54
@preaction	right, but how would they hook in? if you can write a proof-of-concept asset + plugin API, the argument might be a lot different	22:54
@preaction	why stop there when aspects can do so much more?	22:54
Bernd_	The advantage of plugins is very simple: users do not have to touch the code,	22:55
Bernd_	but they gain a lot of flexibility.	22:55
Bernd_	Not everyone is a perl programmer.	22:55
Bernd_	Most people are actually not.	22:55
Bernd_	And it is quite difficult to extend WebGUI if you are not a professional.	22:56
Bernd_	Many people are even hesitant to touch the templates.	22:56
Bernd_	Now tell them to add some code.	22:56
Bernd_	Sure, you could say these are not interesting customers.	22:57
@preaction	but they're not extending webgui, they'd be enabling someone else's extention. you could do the same thing by subclassing the CS	22:57
Bernd_	Again, you are talking about writing perl code.	22:58
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@preaction	right, no matter what somebody has to write code	22:58
Bernd_	I am thinking about some kind of web interface where you can just check the plugins you need.	22:58
Bernd_	That is true. But the aspects are going to be written anyway.	22:58
Bernd_	Putting the extra-code into some plugin class should not be too difficult.	22:59
Bernd_	I just cannot see why it should be.	22:59
@preaction	it would be substantially more difficult, just building the UI and the foolproofing	23:00
nuxli	hey all	23:00
@preaction	nuxli: hello	23:00
nuxli	hows everyone today?	23:00
SDuensin	Confused, but good. Hi.	23:00
nuxli	anyone somewhere where its warm?	23:00
@perlmonkey2	nuxli: it is 60F here?	23:00
nuxli	yep, Perl, thats warm!!	23:01
SDuensin	Beats my 38F.	23:01
nuxli	20F here in Illinois	23:01
SDuensin	Where in IL, nuxli? I'm down south near St. Louis.	23:01
nuxli	sorry, 27F	23:01
nuxli	northern, west of Chicago	23:01
nuxli	which city by St L?	23:02
nuxli	I'm in Downers Grove	23:02
SDuensin	Not sure I'd call it a city. Little place called Smithton. (Who's web site will be in WebGUI soon!)	23:02
nuxli	hmm, sorry don't know of smithton	23:02
nuxli	I used to live in Carbondale.	23:03
SDuensin	That's closer. :-)	23:03
nuxli	haha yeah	23:03
nuxli	ok, real reason I'm in here (not that I don't like the smalltalk)	23:04
SDuensin	hehe	23:04
SDuensin	Smalltalk is cool. Try Squeak.org! :-P	23:05
nuxli	we have mysql running on a separate server than Webgui. I want to point it to another mysql server that we have copied the DB to.	23:05
SDuensin	Ok.	23:06
SDuensin	Just gotta change your confs.	23:06
nuxli	I change the conf file in /data/WebGui/etc to use the new mysql server in the 'dsn' line at the end of the conf, but it still is attached to the original server, even after reboots	23:06
SDuensin	Did you stop the current server? Maybe it's using the socket file to connect. I have that ANNOYING problem using GUI tools on my Mac.	23:07
SDuensin	Dumb things always pick my default MySQL server - even if I specify the port for the WebGUI one. Grrrr.	23:07
nuxli	but I've rebooted.. should I change it back to original, stop WebGui, change to new DB, then start WebGui?	23:08
SDuensin	Rebooted what? Your WebGUI box?	23:09
nuxli	yes	23:09
SDuensin	But does MySQL start up after reboot on that box?	23:09
Lisette	i have a question about thingy	23:11
Lisette	how to do to make filters with thingy? i can do that?	23:11
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+MrHairgrease	rizen: if you deploy more Bazaars on one site they share each others bazaar items in the overview	23:17
+MrHairgrease	I guess that's not by design?	23:17
+MrHairgrease	but rather a bug	23:17
nuxli	SD, no, we have disabled mysql from running on the WebGui box. it has always run on a separate server, we just want to point WebGui to use a new mysql server now.	23:20
@rizen	that's a bug	23:20
SDuensin	nuxli - That's odd. :-/	23:20
@rizen	MrHairgrease: you have to understand that i developed the bazaar in 3 days (from scratch) and was really only concerned with it for webgui.org so it has zero polish or testing beyond the basics needed for that	23:20
Lisette	anyone know why in a workflow i get the userdefined by database of a post and shows me of values of the previous post	23:21
@rizen	since you're going to add some features to it, maybe i'll have to find some time during 7.7 dev cycle to polish it up and put it in the core. cuz there's also an RFE to put it in the core	23:21
Lisette	?	23:21
nuxli	SD, there is more complexity to the whole issue, but i think at the just of it, that's essentially what we are doing. pointing it to a new DB server. the long version involves VMware and cloning.	23:28
* SDuensin loves VMware.		23:28
SDuensin	I'll crawl all over my install and see what I can learn, but my WebGUI install right now is being broken, er, upgraded.	23:29
* Bernd_ is going to bed. Good night everyone.		23:29
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nuxli	yeah, we broke ours yesterday, and fixed it with a DB restore, and VMware snapshot restore. and now thats why I'm cloning our setup into a test environment today! haha	23:30
SDuensin	hehe	23:30
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nuxli	SD there could be something else I am missing, but everythign looks correct.	23:31
nuxli	It should only be that one place in the conf file to change the DB server, correct?	23:31
SDuensin	I don't remember seeing a database setting outside the site's conf file.	23:31
SDuensin	Vuja-de!	23:31
@rizen	preaction: haarg tells me you have a recommendation on an SSH related perl module?	23:33
+MrHairgrease	rizen: I totally understand. I asked that question, so that I could fix it if it is a bug.	23:33
@preaction	rizen: yes, Net::SSH2	23:33
+MrHairgrease	And that's also why I'm templating it and addin the features I emailed you about	23:34
@rizen	MrHairgrease: just making sure you didn't think my code quality was going down hill =)	23:34
@preaction	rizen: the problem is it requires libssh2, which our OS doesn't have. let me dig up the RPM i used if i can find it	23:34
* SDuensin shudders at "RPM"		23:34
@rizen	preaction: libssh2 on just the machine with the module? or all machines it connects to?	23:34
@preaction	just the machine with the module	23:34
+MrHairgrease	don't worry, I don't your code quality can sink even lower =)	23:34
* SDuensin chuckles		23:35
@rizen	that's not biggy preaction, i'll just compile it	23:35
@preaction	k	23:35
+MrHairgrease	but it is a bug then	23:35
+MrHairgrease	good	23:35
@rizen	preaction: why is it the best?	23:35
+MrHairgrease	It'll be fixed	23:35
@preaction	rizen: i couldn't get any of the other ones to work, period. but i was doing SFTP so that might have something to do with it	23:35
@rizen	MrHairgrease: i know, my code quality is pretty low, but since bazaar was a rush job, i think it's even lower	23:35
+MrHairgrease	ok I could live with that	23:37
@rizen	preaction: i just need the ssh part handled for me, because on the other end i'll be attaching my own shell, so i'm just going to use ssh the way web sites use SSL	23:37
+MrHairgrease	although it's a lame excuse =)	23:37
@preaction	rizen: then perhaps Net::SSH::Perl will work. the biggest problems i ran into was installing them, since they require a lot of different Crypt:: modules (not all of which seem to work right)	23:38
+perlDreamer	another bug	23:41
+perlDreamer	crap	23:41
SDuensin	Hey, when the upgrade to 7.6.5 does this: "Merging Template head blocks into the Extra Head Tags field." It ate some CSS. Is that just gone, or can I poke somewhere and find it?	23:44
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, it's in the extraHeadTags block now	23:45
SDuensin	For that template, it says "None". :-/	23:46
@rizen	preaction: yeah, though the WRE has a lot of crypt modules already installed...and i'll be installing it into the WRE, so maybe that will help	23:46
SDuensin	I can get it back from a backup.	23:46
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin, I'd love to have a copy of that template for debugging.	23:48
SDuensin	All it had was a <style> tag and my CSS in the head box of 7.5.35.	23:49
+perlDreamer	what kind of template was it, which namespace?	23:49
SDuensin	"style" namespace. It was my site's main template.	23:50
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8929 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: added email customer and email server customers options	23:53
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* SDuensin is very intrigued by rizen's SVN entries.		23:54
@rizen	SDuensin: why is that?	23:54
SDuensin	Sounds like you're building what I'm building. :-)	23:55
+perlDreamer	SDuensin: according to the talk that we had in IRC, style templates don't use their extraHeadTags	23:55
SDuensin	Hmm. Mine did. :-)	23:55
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+perlDreamer	that's what the upgrade script does, it tosses them out if you have a style template	23:56
@rizen	SDuensin: what are you building?	23:56
SDuensin	rizen - I want WebGUI to run my entire empire. Including managing my DNS records, Email accounts, etc.	23:56
@rizen	SDuensin: then i am building what you're building. Automat is Plain Black's be-all end-all hosting automation system	23:57
SDuensin	Gonna license it?	23:57
@rizen	and of course the user interface is just a webgui asset	23:57
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@rizen	perhaps, but right now it's not at all pluggable. it's built specifically for our uses, so you'd have to set up your environment like ours to even use it	23:58
SDuensin	That's the same kind of mess I wrote. :-)	23:58
@rizen	the code is all out in our subversion repository if you want to have a look at it	23:58
SDuensin	Might do that. Thanks.	23:58
SDuensin	Mine currently uses existing WebGUI stuff + a few Things. A cron job pokes around the WebGUI database and modifies the server when things change.	23:59
@rizen	automat definitely is not a mess. it's carefully written with wrappers to make it pretty easy to swap out back end systems eventually	23:59
SDuensin	perlDreamer - I had intended to make that style sheet it's own file. Guess now is a good time!	23:59
@rizen	automat has a task queue so that the server need not "poll" to find out if there's anything to do	23:59
SDuensin	rizen - Well, MINE is a mess. :-P	23:59
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin: always read the gotchas file	00:00
+perlDreamer	Immer	00:00
+perlDreamer	Siempre	00:00
SDuensin	perlDreamer - I thought I did. Guess I missed that.	00:00
SDuensin	Oh well, no biggie. I keep backups!	00:00
@rizen	also i didn't use a Thingy because i wanted more customization of the output...so i used WebGUI::Crud instead to build all the objects	00:00
@rizen	for example, i have per-field level privileges	00:01
@rizen	thingy isn't capable of that	00:01
SDuensin	Well, you know just a bit more about the inside of WebGUI than I do at this point. :-P	00:01
@rizen	true	00:01
SDuensin	But I plan on gaining on you. :-P	00:01
@rizen	so be it.	00:01
@rizen	automat is going to erase plain black's biggest portions of technical debt	00:02
+perlDreamer	testing, documentation and i18n?	00:02
SDuensin	Automation is a Good Thing(tm).	00:02
@rizen	nope, i said plain black, not webgui pd	00:02
@rizen	i just finished phase 3 of 7 planned, and already we've cleaned up a good bit of stuff	00:04
@rizen	we had 80 mail servers set up that either never should have been set up, or were no longer needed.	00:04
@rizen	over 100 domains we were hosting dns for that we don't need to	00:04
SDuensin	Holy shit.	00:05
@rizen	over 1000 dns records that were either no longer needed or should have never been set up	00:05
@rizen	lots of cool clean up has happened as part of the data scrubbing efforts of the first 3 phases	00:05
SDuensin	I can imagine. I remember the mess I found when I converted an ISP from one billing system to another.	00:06
@rizen	oh yeah, and it turns out that we were still hosting 20 or so sites for one of our clients that they no longer wanted but forgot to ask us to shut down	00:06
@preaction	haha nice	00:06
@rizen	SDuensin: probably the coolest feature of automat is that it will allow us to manage servers that aren't even under our control	00:11
@rizen	or rather that aren't in our hosting environment	00:11
@rizen	we have many clients that host their own servers, but pay us to manage them	00:11
SDuensin	That is very cool.	00:11
@rizen	so the way i'm building this it will allow us to manage servers external to our hosting environment	00:12
+perlDreamer	anyone have thoughts about how to test for randomizing data?	00:15
@rizen	perlDreamer: could you explain a bit further, out of context it doesn't make any sense to me	00:15
+perlDreamer	I have a subroutine that randomizes the array of data that has been sent to it	00:16
@rizen	preaction: so far Net::SSH installed in 2 seconds flat on both linux and mac (in the WRE)	00:16
+perlDreamer	I'd like to see if it works or not	00:16
+perlDreamer	seems very problematic	00:16
@rizen	Net::SSH2 i have to install that library for but shouldn't be a problem	00:16
@preaction	rizen: Net::SSH::Perl you mean?	00:16
+perlDreamer	since in truly random data, the original order is a valid order	00:16
@rizen	and Net::SSH::Perl is taking FOREVER to install due to the prereqs, but it seems to be working	00:16
@preaction	then i don't know the problems I was having. i couldn't install Net::SSH::Perl because of some math lib that didn't work on OS X	00:17
@rizen	well it may eventually crap out	00:17
@rizen	but it is currently installing	00:17
@preaction	Net::SSH was ungodly slow, too slow for spectre to use it in a workflow activity	00:17
@rizen	taking about 15 minutes to go	00:17
@preaction	but again, that was with SFTP	00:17
@rizen	but it's working	00:17
@rizen	yeah..haven't tried to use any of these yet	00:18
@rizen	just trying to get them installed	00:18
@preaction	took Net::SSH about a minute to negotiate keyexchange, connect, and login, but that might be a factor of the SSHD (a windows-based sshd)	00:18
@rizen	perlDreamer: so you're randomizing the order of the array, not the data in the array, right?	00:19
+perlDreamer	right	00:19
@rizen	well it seems like it will take multiple tests	00:19
@rizen	1) make sure you still have the same number of elements in the array after randomizing	00:19
@rizen	2) do a cmp_bag on it to make sure that the structures are different	00:19
+perlDreamer	cmp_bag will do that	00:20
+perlDreamer	both of those	00:20
@rizen	3) do a isIn() on the first element of the randomized array to see if it is in the original array (or vice versa)	00:20
@rizen	i don't think it will pd	00:20
@rizen	because we're looking to make sure they are not the same	00:21
+perlDreamer	cmp_set checks for array equality, cmp_bag just makes sure that the same elements exist in both	00:21
@rizen	so we want the same number of elements, but the elements don't hold the same data	00:21
@rizen	perlDreamer: but doesn't cmp_bag also make sure the elements are in the same order?	00:21
+perlDreamer	no	00:21
@rizen	oh really	00:22
+perlDreamer	yeah	00:22
+perlDreamer	that's why I use it so much	00:22
@rizen	wow i totally misunderstood that	00:22
@rizen	well in that case i guess you only need two tests	00:23
@rizen	1) cmp_bag on both arrays	00:23
@rizen	2) make sure that position 0 in both arrays is not the same value	00:23
Lisette	anyone know why in a workflow i get the userdefined by database of a post and shows me of values of the previous post?	00:23
@rizen	though i guess since it's random, it could actually be the same value	00:23
+perlDreamer	yeah, that's the problem	00:23
+perlDreamer	one can check for same order	00:24
+perlDreamer	or not same order	00:24
+perlDreamer	but with random ordering, either is possible	00:24
+perlDreamer	just not with the same likelihood	00:24
@rizen	got it	00:24
@rizen	randomize it 3 times	00:24
@rizen	because it's not very random if all three times it's in the same order	00:24
+perlDreamer	that's a good idea	00:25
+perlDreamer	it's very, very unlikely for that to happen	00:25
@rizen	unless there are only 2 elements in your array	00:25
@rizen	then it's quite likely	00:26
@rizen	=)	00:26
@rizen	so make sure you have 5 or so elements in your array	00:26
+perlDreamer	I thought about taking the Shawshank Script, and reducing to an array of characters and using that	00:26
+perlDreamer	but it would be big	00:26
@rizen	preaction: Net::SSH::Perl just locks up trying to install, that's why it was taking so long...so you were dead on with that one	00:27
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+perlDreamer	hm	00:55
+perlDreamer	we don't want to call cmp_bag on a big set of data	00:56
+perlDreamer	laptop is burning a hole through my levis	00:56
SDuensin	hehe	00:58
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@preaction	perlDreamer: why not see if "sort @array eq randomize( sort @array )"	01:00
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+perlDreamer	preaction, that might be faster than cmp_bag	01:00
+perlDreamer	I just reduced the number of elements from 1499 to 49	01:01
@preaction	alternatively, if you just want to ensure that both arrays have the same elements, you could sort and compare	01:01
@preaction	since it's Possible for a randomized array to equal exactly the array that went in	01:01
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CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8930 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	02:27
CIA-41	WebGUI: Tests for createSurveyOrder and shuffle.	02:27
CIA-41	WebGUI: POD for several methods.	02:27
+perlDreamer	WebGUI ships with 247 templates	02:40
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8931 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	03:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: Add tests for nextSectionid, nextSection, currentSection.	03:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: Add more POD to ResponseJSON	03:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8932 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: fixing PayDriver_ITransact help	03:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r8933 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.6 release	03:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r8934 /experimental/Automat/ (bin/automatshell lib/Automat/Shell.pm bin): server shell protocol demystified	03:17
@Haarg	oops on version number :/	03:26
@preaction	uhoh	03:31
@Haarg	only in the commit message	03:32
@Haarg	so it doesn't really matter	03:32
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, what did I do to the ITransact help?	04:51
+perlDreamer	I ran the test on it and it came up clean	04:51
+perlDreamer	maybe I tweaked it more?	04:51
+perlDreamer	oh, I see	04:52
+perlDreamer	that's just embarrassing	04:52
+perlDreamer	tavisto, I've looked into the WebGUI wikipedia issue about needing additional citations.	04:58
@tavisto	yeah, what's the dealio	04:58
+perlDreamer	Wikipedia does not allow "original sources". In other words, you cannot refer to yourself as a citation	04:58
+perlDreamer	the only citations are back to webgui and plainblack	04:59
+perlDreamer	here's what ya need to do	04:59
+perlDreamer	Find every article on WebGUI on the net	04:59
+perlDreamer	the thing I wrote on Newsforge, ehab's article, et cetera	04:59
+perlDreamer	then use those as sources for various segments in the article	04:59
@tavisto	some douchebag deleted our plain black listing.. said it was blatant advertising	04:59
@tavisto	seems like a lot of work	04:59
+perlDreamer	it could be	05:00
+perlDreamer	they can be articles written by PB people and published in other places	05:00
+perlDreamer	that's fine	05:00
+perlDreamer	just need stuff outside the PB websites	05:00
@preaction	you know it's the other CMS companies just trolling	05:01
+perlDreamer	it's easy to find joomla articles	05:01
+perlDreamer	and drupal articles	05:01
@tavisto	alright, maybe I can get JT to have Tera work on that.. sounds really boring to me	05:01
@tavisto	:)	05:01
+perlDreamer	dude, it is so up your alley :)	05:01
@tavisto	we've got a bunch of articles going out to a ton of publications thru this PR company we're working with	05:02
@tavisto	if things go as planned, it's going to be great exposure for WebGUI and PB	05:02
+perlDreamer	see, those would be perfect to use	05:02
+perlDreamer	after they're published	05:02
@tavisto	the other nice thing.. is the fact that we got our first approval for a success story with the DoS	05:02
@tavisto	Doug, it's your baby... Alumni	05:02
@tavisto	gotcha perldreamer, I'm just not interested in the task.. that's all	05:02
+perlDreamer	Y'all will have to salute Hillary when you see her, now	05:03
@tavisto	But, I'm sure it's something Tera could bang out easily	05:03
+perlDreamer	print publications are okay, too	05:03
+perlDreamer	newspapers, magazines	05:03
+perlDreamer	not just online stuff	05:03
@tavisto	yep these are	05:03
@tavisto	Government Computing News	05:03
@tavisto	University Business	05:03
@tavisto	I'm scheduling a webinar with the editor of Website Magazine	05:03
@tavisto	I guess it's a big publication	05:03
@tavisto	we'll see.	05:03
@tavisto	They use community server so I'm not selling them on a CMS.. but rather impressing them to get an article done on us	05:04
CIA-41	WebGUI: patspam * r8937 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (45 files in 25 dirs): Merge branch '7.6.6-beta' into flux	05:17
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r8938 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Macro/AdminBar.t: a few AdminBar tests	05:17
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daviddelikat	> use Perl Daily Newsletter	05:32
daviddelikat	> In this issue:	05:32
daviddelikat	> * Bulgarian Perl Workshop	05:32
daviddelikat	road trip!	05:32
daviddelikat	say is there a tool to pretty print the YAHOO js for easier debugging?	05:34</