--- Log opened Mon Dec 01 00:00:11 2008 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8723 /experimental/wgfs/ (lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t): | 00:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: better stat() mode calculation | 00:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: bug fixes | 00:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: changed root to root_path and added root_path() method to be consistent with other Filesys::Virtual drivers | 00:34 |
* SDuensin dreams of the day he can directly open templates with Coda. | 00:38 |
@rizen | will never happen | 00:38 |
SDuensin | Says you. :-P | 00:38 |
* rizen put an exclusion for Coda right in the driver | 00:38 |
SDuensin | See, that's the problem with open sores. Any fool can edit it. | 00:38 |
@rizen | you assume you can read my unintelligible code | 00:39 |
SDuensin | Done it before. :-P | 00:39 |
SDuensin | Is there a way to not use the quantity field in a product? | 00:41 |
BartJol | maybe there's a default value for it | 00:44 |
BartJol | maybe I've seen that | 00:45 |
SDuensin | But my products have no quantity available. They're produced on-demand. | 00:46 |
BartJol | no, that it WebGUI think with that vaule, the supply is endless or on demand | 00:48 |
@rizen | SD you need to set it to 99999999 | 00:51 |
@rizen | it requires a quantity | 00:51 |
BartJol | cd.. | 00:53 |
@rizen | ahah! | 00:57 |
@rizen | or ah ha | 00:57 |
@rizen | or ah hah! | 00:57 |
@rizen | but not uh huh? | 00:57 |
BartJol | ? are you going insane? please do not | 00:58 |
BartJol | I had the wrong window | 00:59 |
* SDuensin will set it and edit it out of the display template. | 00:59 |
BartJol | goodnight | 01:01 |
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@rizen | booyah grandma! | 01:05 |
@rizen | eureka | 01:05 |
@rizen | pay dirt | 01:05 |
SDuensin | Yes? | 01:06 |
@rizen | we have working webdav | 01:06 |
@rizen | i may just have to take the rest of my life off | 01:07 |
SDuensin | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! | 01:07 |
SDuensin | If I had time, I'd drive up there and kiss you. | 01:07 |
@rizen | if you did, i'd smack you over the head with a hatchet | 01:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8724 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5.pl: fixing a Matrix v2 upgrade bug | 01:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8725 /experimental/wgfs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: bug fixes | 01:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: we have working webdav - wahoo!!! | 01:08 |
SDuensin | So what's the DAV stuff do so far? | 01:10 |
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@rizen | oh, only everything | 01:14 |
@rizen | you can edit assets | 01:14 |
@rizen | if you download an asset that is not a subclass of WebGUI::Asset::File | 01:14 |
@rizen | then it gives you a json blob | 01:14 |
SDuensin | Blob me, baby./ | 01:15 |
@rizen | if it's a binary file you can simply download and upload and it creates assets | 01:15 |
SDuensin | You may be my new hero. | 01:16 |
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@rizen | hardly, this is only step 1 of a lot of steps, before it's ready for any kind of real purpose | 01:17 |
SDuensin | Yea, but it's getting there. | 01:18 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8726 /experimental/wgfs/lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm: made the json blob pretty | 03:12 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8727 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merged yung-thingy-rfe | 04:38 |
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patspam | pluggable user profile looks really sweet | 06:27 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2! | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | You're up late tonight | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | well, at least your IRC client is | 06:55 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8728 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: remove some old merge leftovers | 08:59 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8729 /WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original: | 08:59 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Made log.conf.original comment consistent with what log4perl configuration | 08:59 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: actually does (WARNings are not captured). | 08:59 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8730 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): fixed UserList | 12:57 |
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SDuensin | Morning! | 16:43 |
BartJol | morning | 16:44 |
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Guest54306 | Hey, I'm not sure if I did this question before but I don't still have any answer so I ask you anyway | 17:02 |
BartJol | ok | 17:02 |
Guest54306 | Anyone has worked with perl (or WebGUI) and auth memcookie? | 17:03 |
BartJol | not me | 17:03 |
Guest54306 | :( | 17:03 |
Guest54306 | I really need this | 17:03 |
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* SDuensin smacks preaction with anything other than a large trout | 17:36 |
* rizen reminds SDuensin that preaction often wears the troutshield of protection, so he would have been immune to the trout had SDuensin used it | 17:37 |
SDuensin | See? I out-thunk him! | 17:37 |
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SDuensin | Satan created CSS. | 17:47 |
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SDuensin | Did I dream there was a macro to display an image at an arbitrary size? Or am I having a flashback to 5.x? | 18:02 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol, welcome to PBWG | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | Still weird seeing you with hair, though | 18:12 |
BartJol | thanks | 18:12 |
BartJol | well, I cut it yesterday | 18:13 |
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SDuensin | preaction lives! | 18:16 |
@preaction | explains to me why updating Safari requires a full restart of OS X? | 18:17 |
SDuensin | Yea! I wanna know too! | 18:17 |
@preaction | also, SDuensin do you have an e-mail address? | 18:17 |
SDuensin | Or updating the frickin' RAW filters. | 18:17 |
SDuensin | Email? What's that? | 18:17 |
@preaction | exactly | 18:17 |
SDuensin | Work addy: scott@jaegertech.com | 18:18 |
@preaction | hm. that was the one i sent to. anyway | 18:18 |
SDuensin | Who was it from? I'll whitelist the address. | 18:19 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, can you please pastebin me some of the text that's causing the Product to error out? | 19:16 |
SDuensin | Sure. I'll find exactly what killed it. Gimmie a sec. | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | I've tried pasting in stuff from OpenOffice, but no luck trying to recreate | 19:16 |
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@rizen | preaction: for the same reason IE requires the same thing...apple stupidly integrated the browser into the OS | 19:18 |
@preaction | but there's no way to reload just, for example, the window manager that is using those frameworks? | 19:18 |
@preaction | i mean, kernel-level reboot should be only necessary for kernel changes | 19:19 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - http://webgui.pastebin.com/m436f596f - It's the quote after the 16 that kills it. | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | cool! Thanks. Now I can try to get it down to a specific test, or an upgrade of JSON.pm in the core | 19:19 |
@rizen | preaction, but "it's just easier" to restart everything to to restart individual processes | 19:20 |
@rizen | =) | 19:20 |
@preaction | yeah, that's not a slippery slope or anything... | 19:20 |
@preaction | "it's just easier to not check if a file was successfully copied before we delete it" | 19:21 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - YW | 19:21 |
@rizen | preaction: it's just easier to kill your enemies than it is to negotiate with them | 19:22 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - FYI, it came from a DOC file that I loaded into TextEdit and pasted into FF. | 19:22 |
Lisette | how to do to redirect to other page from a payDriver? | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | Lisette, look into WebGUI::Session::Http.pm | 19:29 |
Lisette | thanks | 19:32 |
Lisette | i'm going to see | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | particularly, the ->redirect method | 19:33 |
Lisette | in any place there is an example? | 19:33 |
@preaction | there are lots of places, but there is also documentation | 19:34 |
@preaction | do a grep for "setRedirect" | 19:34 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8731 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:43 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Update POD for several methods. | 19:43 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Make getObject clone data for safety and update tests. | 19:43 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Make newObject always alter $address for consistency and update tests. | 19:43 |
Lisette | and with this setRedirect i can send params? | 20:10 |
@preaction | you can send a query string, yes. not POST params though | 20:11 |
Lisette | i need with method post | 20:12 |
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@preaction | why do the latest webgui has a "lastUpdated" field when there is already a revisionDate field? | 20:31 |
SDuensin | So you know when you last updated the latest revision? :-P | 20:31 |
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@Haarg | sometimes there are updates without new revisions | 20:34 |
Bernd__ | Hey everyone, | 20:37 |
Bernd__ | how is business going? | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | still hacking | 20:38 |
Bernd__ | Surprise, surprise :-) | 20:39 |
Bernd__ | Question: How can I post those "*" remarks to the chat? | 20:39 |
Bernd__ | I have seen them very often and want to be able to post them, too. | 20:40 |
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@preaction | Bernd__: you mean "/me does something" ? | 20:45 |
* preaction does something | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd__: you say slash me | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | preaction does a whole lot of things, really | 20:46 |
* Bernd__ is having a cup of tea and enjoying the chat | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | including teaching perlDreamer javascript | 20:46 |
Bernd__ | Can I join the lesson? | 20:46 |
Bernd__ | I very much like that Ajax stuff. | 20:46 |
Bernd__ | Is that all implemented by using YUI | 20:47 |
Bernd__ | ? | 20:47 |
@preaction | yes | 20:47 |
Bernd__ | Difficult to learn? | 20:47 |
@preaction | not really | 20:47 |
@preaction | if you already know some JS it should be fine | 20:47 |
Bernd__ | Hm, I just have too little time for all the interesting stuff in the world :-( | 20:47 |
Bernd__ | Maybe I should start working as hard as rizen? | 20:47 |
Bernd__ | preaction, not at all. | 20:48 |
Bernd__ | I only know some Java. | 20:48 |
Bernd__ | But I am out of practice. | 20:48 |
Bernd__ | I think I am going to stay with pure HTML for the moment. | 20:48 |
Bernd__ | Thanks for the hint with "slash me", btw. | 20:49 |
@preaction | best to think of javascript as having nothing to do with java, makes it easier to learn | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, I can duplicate your bug. And it's testable, too. That is very good news. | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I could use some utf8 help if you have a little time | 21:09 |
@Haarg | sure | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | In the product, I used encode_json and decode_json | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | and it they throw an error on "wide characters" | 21:10 |
@Haarg | yeah | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | I can fix that bug by using to_json and from_json | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | but will it still work with international, utf8 characters? | 21:10 |
@Haarg | yes | 21:10 |
@Haarg | i had that a bit confused for a while | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | so, in general, we should not use encode_json and decode_json? | 21:10 |
@Haarg | basically, unless you are dealing with file i/o | 21:10 |
@Haarg | you should use to_ and from_ | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 21:11 |
@Haarg | and not use ->utf8 | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | has anyone looked through the codebase for that? | 21:11 |
@Haarg | i've been meaning to | 21:11 |
@Haarg | there are some places that do need to use encode_ | 21:11 |
@Haarg | the package system for example | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | One thing I'm confused about is testing | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | the code fails in apache, but not in the tests | 21:12 |
@Haarg | which tests? | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | I jimmied up a test to throw in a wide character into a product collateral | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | and it does not die | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | Let me pastebin some code for you | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d63c6bc65 | 21:14 |
@Haarg | you sure it's actually a wide character? | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | see the funny, backwards double quote next to 16? | 21:15 |
@Haarg | you can't inline characters like that without 'use utf8' or similar | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | if you run the test, it does print out as funny | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | but I'll add the use utf8 line to the test to see what's up | 21:16 |
@Haarg | it's probably just getting the byte sequence, not the character | 21:16 |
@Haarg | i'd suggest using an escape code instead | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | something like \x{dddd} ? | 21:17 |
@Haarg | yeah | 21:18 |
@Haarg | use utf8 will probably work, but an escape will make it more obvious what you are actually doing | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | is there a lookup table someplace online for encodings? | 21:18 |
@Haarg | nothing i know of | 21:19 |
@Haarg | \x{201d} | 21:20 |
@Haarg | is the quote you have there | 21:21 |
+perlDreamer | yep, much better. Test go boom | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | How did you look that up? | 21:22 |
@Haarg | use utf8 + Data::Dumper | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin: it's fixed. 7.5.35 should be coming out this week. | 21:33 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - Sweet. | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | If you want it sooner, then you can pull it from svn | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | for the 7.5 branch, it's 8732 | 21:37 |
SDuensin | Na, not a problem. I just used a regular quote and it's fine. | 21:37 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8732 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix wide character handling in Product JSON collateral | 21:39 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8733 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port Product JSON collateral wide character fix | 21:39 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8734 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (Automat/Customer.pm WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm): added an email all hosting customers option | 21:39 |
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carogray | hi all - Plain Black people - can you remind me what we tell people who are finally ready to direct their a records to the Plain Black server i.e. they want their demo site to now be live where do I find the info? | 21:57 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: frank * r8735 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Updated the POD for some of the new and changes methods to make their use more clear. | 22:06 |
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+MrHairgrease | haha | 23:01 |
+MrHairgrease | anybody read this: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046193&cid=25935403 | 23:02 |
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SDuensin | Gotta love Perl. | 23:04 |
+MrHairgrease | ah crap: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046193&cid=25937375 | 23:05 |
+MrHairgrease | still... gotta love perl | 23:05 |
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@preaction | http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/what-your-computer-does-while-you-wait <- interesting little thing on performance | 23:36 |
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nuba | hey folks, this is totally offtopic, but here's me playing some ragtime-like guitar song last friday, at university, in a improvised gathering http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beKTgRUanp0 | 00:20 |
nuba | its a passable rendition to a awesome song, Clap, by Steve Howe, in his first album with the Yes band, early 70s | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | he can hack, pick and strum! | 00:30 |
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+perlDreamer | Could a nice PB staff-type person please move this into the RFE board? | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9180 | 00:39 |
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@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: done | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | thanks. | 00:49 |
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* perlDreamer goes to run errands | 01:07 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8736 /branch/wrebuild_0.8: putting wre 0.8 into mothballs | 01:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8737 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Make Posts respect the email privacy setting. Fixed in 7.6 branch only. | 01:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8738 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 01:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: removed WDK | 01:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: added --ia64 flag for custom processing on 64-bit systems | 01:15 |
SDuensin | Is there a limit to the number of products a shelf will display? I'm only seeing a fraction of what I've entered. | 01:17 |
SDuensin | Seems it shows the last 25 products I entered and gives up the fight. | 01:20 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8739 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): | 02:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: - Added the following components: | 02:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: gnutils-2.6.2 | 02:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: libgcrypt-1.4.3 | 02:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: libgpg-error-1.7 | 02:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: libiconv-1.12 | 02:09 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, check for pagination controls in the Shelf template | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | 25 is the default pagination size, so it's suspicious | 02:40 |
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SDuensin | perlDreamer - Thanks. Will do. | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, the default shelf template does not have pagination controls. That's definitely the problem. | 04:03 |
+perlDreamer | that's probably a bu | 04:14 |
+perlDreamer | g | 04:14 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8740 /WebGUI/ (193 files in 16 dirs): | 04:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Adding tinymce language support for arabic, portugeuese, | 04:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: danish, french, russian, spanish, german, dutch, norway, | 04:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: hungarian and italian. | 04:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8741 /WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/ (16 files in 15 dirs): add polish language support to tinymce | 04:17 |
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SDuensin | perlDreamer - Well, I'm good at breaking things. :-) | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | well, that's also two shop related bugs in 1 day | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | not too bad | 04:38 |
SDuensin | Is the pagination just a template change? That one *is* a big deal for me. | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | it is, but it's also a bug | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | if you post it, I'll fix it | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | actually, I'll probably have it fixed before you post it | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | but it would be nice to have it documented. | 04:39 |
SDuensin | I'll post it real fast. | 04:39 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8742 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (209 files in 16 dirs): backport language pack support for tinymce | 04:40 |
SDuensin | Posted. | 04:41 |
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+perlDreamer | You beat me | 05:50 |
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patspam | perlDreamer++ # implementing an RFE that was submitted for me while I was asleep, and finishing it before I woke up, that's fast | 05:58 |
+perlDreamer | well, we aim to please at perlDreamer Consulting | 05:59 |
+perlDreamer | it's out new psychic interface | 05:59 |
elnino | hello! If I have an article who calls the ParentPageURL macro and I make a short cut of that article and put it on a page layout, who's ParentPageURL is it going to get? | 06:00 |
elnino | it appears to be going into a loop and getting confused. | 06:00 |
patspam | perlmonkey2: you still awake? | 06:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | yo | 06:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: | 06:01 |
patspam | word | 06:01 |
patspam | I'm thinking plenty of people will want a simple "congrats, you finished the survey" on their survey exit page | 06:02 |
@perlmonkey2 | an exit section or have the exit url got to a page with that message. | 06:02 |
patspam | was just musing that people could put survey_url?msg=my%20message%20goes%20here | 06:02 |
patspam | and get survey to print out msg form param if it exists | 06:03 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8743 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add basic pagination support to the default Shelf template. | 06:03 |
patspam | would save people from having to create an article containing the message | 06:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | seems like it might be easy enough to do | 06:05 |
patspam | ah, but you're right, an exit section is probably better | 06:05 |
patspam | hadn't thought of that | 06:05 |
patspam | I was thinking about it in the context of exitUrl for survey timeouts, since we probably need to tell the user what has happened | 06:06 |
patspam | in my case I want to force users to restart the survey with a message telling them that they timed out | 06:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, I wondered what else it should do. | 06:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | So I guess I should break out the check of if the survey has ended to return different codes + messages. | 06:08 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, could you set up a demo site (with standard credential) and post the link back here please? | 06:08 |
patspam | yeah, and we could offer a drop-down of what to do on timeout: go to exitUrl, restart, etc.. | 06:09 |
+perlDreamer | if it's a bug, post it as a bug then I can use that as a test bed for fixing it. | 06:09 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: just make it a asset setting? | 06:12 |
patspam | yeah | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | DataForm has an acknowledgement template and message | 06:12 |
elnino | perlDreamer. hmm. I guess ParentPageURL is a user contrib. I guess I can't really expect you to fix it even if I do find a problem. It's more complex, I'm calling parentPageURL from a macro I created from a shortcut on a page layout.... So maybe I should ask if there is a way to do what I want to do..=) | 06:13 |
elnino | *All* I want to do is. Grab the last part of the url: /url/path/to/this.. I want just "this" | 06:13 |
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@perlmonkey2 | patspam: you'll have to forgive me, i'm not really with it today. I was attacked by a tree Yesterday and the tree won. | 06:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how do you not spend all your time here: http://www.sparkfun.com | 06:15 |
elnino | keeping in mind that it's called from an article that has been shortcutted and placed on a pagelayout. And I'm looking for the last part of the pagelayout's url. | 06:16 |
patspam | pm2: damn trees! do you have scars that tell the tale? | 06:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: heh, no, just a nice red line across my face. | 06:18 |
patspam | ouch. how did you manage that? | 06:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | was driving a truck out around a lake. I backed into a tree, heard some squeeking and turned to look just as a branch flipped free of the truck by swinging through the window and into my face. Was quite comical after I realized I hadn't been blinded. | 06:21 |
* perlDreamer is a dedicated Make blog reader, perlmonkey2 | 06:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, I ordered the ardrino starter book today. | 06:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | should be fun stuff. | 06:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | I used the OOPic for my last UAV. | 06:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | but it was fairly limited | 06:28 |
+perlDreamer | I built two PICs at Maxim | 06:28 |
+perlDreamer | snif | 06:28 |
* perlDreamer grieves quietly but bravely | 06:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, but when you say you "built a PIC", you don't mean you soldered some IC's to some transistors, do you? | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | No, I mean from the ground up. | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | We started with the instruction set | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | and ended up with a PIC | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | built the ALU, RAM, ROM, EEPROM | 06:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | nice | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | two digital interfaces (1-wire and SPI) | 06:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | 1-wire++ | 06:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | don't know what SPI is. | 06:30 |
+perlDreamer | I even hacked the gnupic tools to do our compiling for us | 06:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | heh, cool | 06:31 |
+perlDreamer | SPI is also called I2C? | 06:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh, okay | 06:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | making specialized controllers? | 06:31 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 06:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | industrial stuff? | 06:31 |
+perlDreamer | no, smaller projects | 06:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | When my buddy got out of EE, he started a consulting business doing what he had done at work, and then did software on the side, and then sold his software business for millions. | 06:32 |
@perlmonkey2 | Not that you should do that, as I think everyone is happy you are doing software as your main business :) | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 06:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: shoot me an email on if you like the url encoded exit message or having a way to set messages for different exit scenarios. | 06:44 |
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+perlDreamer | No, I'm confused again. SMB == I2C. SPI is a 3-wire interface | 06:52 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8744 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting default shelf template pagination template fix | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, please try ^PageUrl(); and see what it gives you. | 07:17 |
elnino | Thanks. I actually figured it out,I ended up writing my own macro that took the env(path_info) and striped everything except what i wanted. | 07:18 |
elnino | although env seems buggy, at least it doesn't return what I think it should return. I'll write a bug for that. | 07:19 |
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+perlDreamer | Session/Env doesn't do much with the environment hash. It might be more of an Apache thing. | 07:27 |
elnino | yep. I got the idea from the loginbox macro - it's the only place I saw i used. It picks up HTTP header variables. | 07:28 |
+perlDreamer | I'm glad you found a solution | 07:29 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8745 /branch/yung-thingy-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added rfe 9128: Thingy fields subtext and pretext now have max length of 1024. | 12:13 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8746 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5.pl: fixing matrix upgrade bugfix | 13:07 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8747 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (MatrixListing.pm Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed a bug in Matrix deleteAttribute method | 13:34 |
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Lisette | how to get the address in a payDriver? | 15:21 |
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Lisette | how to get the address in a payDriver? | 15:32 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 15:52 |
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@perlmonkey2 | when dealing with non-utf8 chars, would you use to_json or encode_json? encode has the implied utf8=>1 flag. | 16:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | and why do people still leave their system settings to a locale, instead of universal utf8? | 16:44 |
SDuensin | People leave it where it defaulted during the install. | 16:45 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: when do you build the beta release? | 17:57 |
@perlmonkey2 | Trying to see how much time I have to resolve the utf8 issue. | 17:57 |
@Haarg | which utf8 issue? | 17:57 |
@Haarg | probably early afternoon? | 17:57 |
@Haarg | ... that was supposed to be a statement not a question | 17:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | survey on beta isn't working. Think it is the to_json vs the encode_json issue. | 17:58 |
@Haarg | ah | 17:58 |
@Haarg | for survey, use to_ and from_ everywhere, or don't use ->utf8 if doing oo | 17:58 |
@perlmonkey2 | it uses encode/decode | 18:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | which convert to utf8 | 18:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | but with wide non-utf8 encodings, they break. | 18:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | or at least wide points which don't fit into utf8. Of which I believe there are only a few edge cases which don't. | 18:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | The windows backticks I believe don't fit. | 18:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | and commas | 18:01 |
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@Haarg | you don't want to use encode_ and decode_ | 18:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, we'd hate to assume utf8. | 18:06 |
@Haarg | it's not that simple | 18:06 |
@Haarg | we do assume utf8 | 18:06 |
@Haarg | but that is handled elsewhere | 18:06 |
@Haarg | actually, wait | 18:06 |
@Haarg | are you dealing with writing or reading files? | 18:07 |
@Haarg | that gets a bit trickier | 18:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | nope | 18:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | just encoding and decoding user entered text | 18:07 |
@Haarg | basically, everything going out or in from apache is utf8 | 18:07 |
@Haarg | but you don't have to care | 18:07 |
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@Haarg | same for the database | 18:07 |
@Haarg | in the perl code, you just always treat it as character strings | 18:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, but anything that doesn't fit into the utf8 space is just left as a bad wide char. | 18:08 |
@Haarg | which is what to_json/from_json do | 18:08 |
@Haarg | if you use encode_json, it tries to encode the characters into utf8 | 18:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | so if you have a multi-byte with the first byte not having the correct byte count, you have a bad space that is just quietly passed along. | 18:08 |
@Haarg | but that is already done by the db layer | 18:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: right, and it is strict in its encoding. | 18:09 |
@Haarg | so it causes problems | 18:09 |
@perlmonkey2 | no silent failures. | 18:09 |
@Haarg | but you don't want to encode at all | 18:09 |
@Haarg | because that is done elsewhere | 18:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8748 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Minor fix. JSON no longer assumes proper utf8, but uses whatever off-brand locale a luser wants to use. | 18:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, but if we take their windows encoded (or whatever) and just assume utf8, then when we show it back to them, the page encoding will be labeled utf8, but their browser will see non-utf8 wide encodings that don't fit and give them the bad wide char char. | 18:10 |
@Haarg | it doesn't come in as the windows encoding | 18:10 |
@Haarg | it comes in as utf8 | 18:10 |
@Haarg | non-utf8 wide characters doesn't make much sense anyway | 18:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | let me try that on the beta server and see what happens. | 18:11 |
@Haarg | wide characters are always going to be utf-8 or utf-16 or something like that | 18:11 |
@Haarg | the windows encoding (or whatever other encoding like that) are all single-byte | 18:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1228147391_379/home/untitled?func=editSurvey why does that work but we get utf8 errors when you try to take the survey? maybe a yui widget is failing. | 18:12 |
@Haarg | isn't that using encode_json/decode_json? | 18:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | yes. I only just now changed it. | 18:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | not on beta though. | 18:13 |
@Haarg | using encode_json/decode_json is the problem | 18:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | I need a non utf8 encoded point that does't fit into the utf8 space to test this. | 18:16 |
@Haarg | i don't know of any characters like that | 18:17 |
@Haarg | that's the whole point of unicode | 18:17 |
@Haarg | that it has all of the characters | 18:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | yes, but there are some significant bit code points in say Western that don't translate to utf8. Their byte claims to be a multibyte char in utf8, but they aren't. | 18:19 |
@Haarg | i don't really understand what you mean | 18:20 |
@Haarg | the characters in western all exist in utf8 | 18:20 |
@Haarg | because utf8 is just an encoding scheme for unicode | 18:20 |
@Haarg | it doesn't really matter what the encodings are in western, because the browser sends them in utf8 | 18:21 |
@Haarg | and if the browser didn't send them in utf8 we wouldn't be able to deal with them anyway | 18:22 |
@perlmonkey2 | I just used an Eastern (don't know which ISO) and cut and pasted into the demo survey. I can't belive it. was cut off at "I can" as the ' was probably a 11 byte, but the next byte also had a significant bit | 18:24 |
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@Haarg | are you seeing any cases that are broken now that you've changed it to to_json/from_json? | 18:26 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yes | 18:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | when I send the eastern encoded string, it is not sent back correctly to the editor. But it is stored and sent back to the presentation correctly. | 18:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | and how would the high bit Western encodings fit into UTF8? And western point that starts with 1, would be a bad wide char. | 18:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | Well, not a western point, but a western byte. | 18:29 |
@Haarg | again, everything comes in as utf8 | 18:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | then why would encode and decode break? | 18:30 |
@Haarg | because the database already does encoding | 18:30 |
@Haarg | so you are double encoding stuff | 18:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | how would the database know which encoding was coming in? Wouldn't it just assume utf8 is being passed in? | 18:32 |
@Haarg | ok | 18:33 |
@Haarg | browser has characters | 18:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, are those bytes or points? | 18:33 |
@Haarg | it encodes them to utf8 to send | 18:33 |
@Haarg | doesn't matter | 18:33 |
@Haarg | characters | 18:33 |
@Haarg | apache gets the utf8 strings, gives them to webgui | 18:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | well my Latvian I can't belive it. didn't get encoded correctly | 18:34 |
@Haarg | webgui (WebGUI::Session::Form) decodes the utf8 to characters | 18:34 |
@Haarg | inside webgui everything treats them as characters | 18:34 |
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@Haarg | when you save to the database, it send encodes them to utf8 for storage | 18:35 |
@Haarg | and decodes them back to characters when it pulls them out | 18:35 |
@Haarg | in webgui (excepting i/o), we always should just be treating them as character strings | 18:36 |
@Haarg | i may see the problem though | 18:36 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'm thinking the to/from fixed the issue. Looks like a template error. | 18:37 |
@perlmonkey2 | the template value isn't surrounded with quotes. | 18:37 |
Lisette | how to do to get the address in a payDriver? | 19:10 |
@rizen | opinion: I'm working on WRE 1.0 | 19:29 |
@rizen | opinion needed, that is | 19:29 |
@rizen | and i'm thinking about upgrading MySQL | 19:29 |
@rizen | 5.1 came out | 19:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | 5.1? | 19:30 |
@rizen | and it has a lot of bug fixes | 19:30 |
SDuensin | Bleeding edge, baby. I can take it. | 19:30 |
@perlmonkey2 | I just read a short review that said it should probably still be called beta. | 19:30 |
@rizen | stuff that isn't ever going to get patched in to 5.0 | 19:30 |
@rizen | cuz they appear to have end of lifed 5.0 | 19:30 |
@rizen | i read the monty blog post too | 19:30 |
@rizen | and he's clearly conflicted | 19:30 |
@rizen | he said that the new features are clearly beta | 19:31 |
@rizen | but also that there's lots of bugs fixed in 5.1 that aren't going to be fixed in 5.0 | 19:31 |
@rizen | including several fairly major crash bugs | 19:31 |
@rizen | so...could i hear your thoughts and opinions, so i can roll them around in my head for a little while | 19:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | just as long as the business logic layer doesn't creep into triggers and stored procs, its all good. | 19:32 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8749 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added an epochDate field to the template for CS RSS items. The ^D(); + macro can then format the epoch date. | 19:37 |
@perlmonkey2 | Doesn't look like any of the listed bugs are show stoppers | 19:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | Although it would be nice if transactions every became something stable enough to be usable. | 19:42 |
@rizen | thanks for the opinion...anybody else have a thought? cap10morgan preaction Haarg khenn_ anybody? | 19:45 |
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@preaction | i would say provided there are no regressions with 5.1, go for it | 19:46 |
@khenn | I agree with preaction | 19:46 |
* SDuensin likes new software. | 19:46 |
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+cap10morgan | rizen: i assume you won't have webgui magically start using 5.1-only features when it's running in wre 1.0, so it seems like a good idea to me | 19:48 |
@Haarg | since the bugs seem to mainly be in the new features (which we aren't using) upgrading seems fine | 19:49 |
@rizen | nope, we won't be using any 5.1 features | 19:49 |
@rizen | because the API backward compatibility guarantee applies through-out the 7.x series | 19:49 |
@rizen | MySQL 5.0 is the base | 19:49 |
@rizen | as is Apache 2.0 and Perl 5.8 | 19:50 |
@rizen | So even though we're upgrading to Apache 2.2 and Perl 5.10 in the new WRE, we won't be able to make use of any of those new features either | 19:50 |
@rizen | only the performance enhancements and bug fixes | 19:50 |
@rizen | ok, so it sounds like everybody is for moving to 5.1, so I'll add that | 19:50 |
@rizen | cap10morgan: as promised, WRE 1.0's primary new feature is going to be 64-bit support | 19:51 |
+cap10morgan | oh, nice! | 19:51 |
SDuensin | MORE BITS! Whoo! | 19:51 |
+cap10morgan | now that i know more about the ins and outs, that's mainly nice for the mysql component. but that's pretty important. | 19:52 |
+cap10morgan | but the pre-fork apache processes could already use more than 4GB of RAM amongst themselves since each one gets its own address space, as you explained to me before. so that relieves most of the pressure on our end. | 19:53 |
@rizen | well it's nice for more than memory. theoretically native 64-bit calculations should be faster due to higher through-put | 19:55 |
@rizen | so that affects apache, perl, mysql, etc | 19:55 |
+cap10morgan | cool | 19:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: you finally got it compiled on 64 bit? swa-eet. | 19:56 |
@rizen | no | 19:57 |
@rizen | that's just what i'm working on for wre 1.0 | 19:57 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh, may the 64 bit gods smile upon your endevors then. | 19:57 |
@rizen | i've gotten tips from mrhairgrease, koen, and knowmad, so hopefully i can now make it work | 19:59 |
@rizen | plus i'm upgrading to the latest versions of everything, so hopefully that helps as well | 19:59 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, are you releasing today? | 20:01 |
@Haarg | yes | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | cool. I'll be watching for your release notice then to stop committing to the 7.5 branch. | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | meantime, could someone please move this into the RFE category: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9023 | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | the cart template never had a page title | 20:06 |
@Haarg | today is 7.6 release | 20:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: is that really an RFE? | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | I think so, but I could be convinced otherwise | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | Should the view cart page have a title? | 20:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | good question | 20:21 |
+perlDreamer | To me, that's what it boils down to. | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | shop comes before Asset in the content handler, so I was thinking (but didn't check) that the session asset would not exist yet | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | that would rule it out | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | I guess we could put a static title in it | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | View Cart | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | but the bug mentioned wanting to be able to change it, which sounds like user config | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | the user config is out of scope for the Shop right now | 20:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | I can find no flaws in that | 20:24 |
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@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: done | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, man. | 20:26 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8750 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add Help for new epochDate CS RSS template variable. | 20:37 |
ckotil | RFE: include DENY in the subject for denied version tags. | 20:42 |
ckotil | thoughts? | 20:42 |
ckotil | hell include APPROVED for approved version tags as well | 20:43 |
ckotil | bc right now its not apparent just by looking at the subject wheather or not a tag was approved/denied | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | I like it, ckotil | 20:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | I like it too | 20:48 |
ckotil | cool, i just about have the RFE written up and submitted | 20:48 |
ckotil | I think we will just need to modify the Notify about version tag Workflow Activity | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, rev 8081 actually fixes a bug in 7.5 | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | is it safe to back port it to 7.5? | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8081 | 20:53 |
ckotil | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9209 | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | I thought about doing just the Calendar part, but the CS, Gallery, and Wiki are also affected. So we'd be heading off bugs by doing it that way. | 20:57 |
@Haarg | there have been a couple bugs introduced by that change | 21:18 |
@Haarg | so i'd prefer not backporting it | 21:18 |
@Haarg | what is the 7.5 bug? | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | when you copy a calendar, it creates version tags for each child event | 21:22 |
@Haarg | ah | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | most likely because getParent returns nothing useful | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | actually, I can work with that | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | if getParent isn't defined, I'll have it return undef | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | inside of getAutoCommitWorkflow inside Event.pm | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | actually, what kind of bugs are you seeing in 7.6 related to that? | 21:24 |
@Haarg | they were fixed, but there was an issue with the email -> CS workflow | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 21:25 |
@Haarg | i don't know of any related bugs that still exist | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I should just do the Calendar/Event fix then | 21:25 |
@Haarg | but given how large of a change it is and that there have been bugs with it already i'm just not certain about backporting it | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | I'll see if I can find a different/better solution then | 21:26 |
* perlDreamer bows to Haarg's experience and wisdom | 21:28 |
@Haarg | it looks like i used a different solution for how to keep recurring events in the correct tag for 7.5 vs 7.6 | 21:30 |
@Haarg | don't remember why | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | well, if getAutoCommitWorkflow return undef, it uses VersionTag->getWorking, which seems to be the right solution to me | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | that's what I'm going to try and emulate in 7.5 | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | Also, before you commit, would you please see if you can duplicate my RTE bug for 7.5? | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | it's really strange | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | in that there's been no changes to that code, but it stopped working | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | I'm hoping it's just my browser version | 21:32 |
@Haarg | you have a link? | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9170 | 21:33 |
@Haarg | i think i know the problem | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | my error console says (method || 'p').toLowerCase is not a method | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | or something very similar | 21:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8751 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix badge viewing issue in the EMS | 21:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8752 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting ems badge viewing permission fix | 21:35 |
@Haarg | i should probably report the bug in tinymce for that one | 21:36 |
@Haarg | fix committed | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | does that fix also prevent the RTE from wrapping everything in paragraph tags? | 21:38 |
@Haarg | kind of | 21:39 |
@Haarg | it wraps in paragraph tags unless you set the option to use br tags | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | well, then I think you may have fixed two bugs... | 21:40 |
@Haarg | well, the bug fix for that broke it | 21:41 |
@Haarg | so now the brokenness is fixed | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9130 | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | I'll close my bug, and then test the other one to see if it's fixed, too. | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | and the fix, it codes around a bug in tinymce by not sending the option at all, versus sending JSON::true? | 21:42 |
@Haarg | sorry for not posting something on that bug | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | it's okay, I know you're busy | 21:42 |
@Haarg | yeah | 21:42 |
@Haarg | i was told about the bug through different channels, and didn't know it was posted as a bug until later | 21:42 |
@Haarg | heh, i didn't document it because the bug was introduced in the same version | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | I'm not sure I followed that Haarg. | 22:00 |
@Haarg | that bug was never in a released version | 22:00 |
@Haarg | doesn't really matter though | 22:00 |
+perlDreamer | and it brings us one closer to < 3 pages of bugs | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | it also didn't fix the other RTE bug that I mentioned. But I'll try to close down the Calendar version tag bug first and then try it | 22:02 |
+perlDreamer | I've been shying away from Bazaar and Helpdesk bugs | 22:02 |
+perlDreamer | there are really only a handful of core WebGUI bugs posted | 22:02 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8753 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm: fix rich editor | 22:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8754 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: document RTE bug fix (useBr workaround) | 22:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8755 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): (log message trimmed) | 22:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: - Upgraded the following components to these new versions: | 22:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: aspell6-en-6.0-0 | 22:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: aspell-0.60.6 | 22:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: awstats-6.8 | 22:07 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: expat-2.0.1 | 22:07 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: ImageMagick-6.4.6-8 | 22:07 |
@Haarg | was this fix put into 7.5? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9155 | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | No. | 22:08 |
@Haarg | ok | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | rizen thought it was too radical for 7.5 at this point | 22:08 |
@Haarg | the changelog entry was added for it | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | it was? | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | I'll fix that | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | I originally developed it in 7.5, then had to port it over to 7.5 | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | 7.6 | 22:09 |
nuba | perlbot: paste | 22:09 |
perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/pfn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it. | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | I must not have cleaned it up | 22:09 |
@rizen | what is too radical? | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | the headblock/extra head tags change | 22:10 |
@rizen | it should have only been put into 7.6 | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | it was | 22:10 |
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@rizen | ok, then what's the problem? | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | I forgot to remove the changelog notice | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | (from 7.5) | 22:11 |
@rizen | ok | 22:11 |
@rizen | so no problem | 22:11 |
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+perlDreamer | Ever since you got me canned, I've been very careful to do _exactly_ what you say. | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | except for that jalapeno juice cure for colds | 22:12 |
nuba | hah | 22:13 |
nuba | nasty | 22:13 |
* perlDreamer goes to the gym | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I have no pending/halfway commits, so please don't hold the release for me | 22:16 |
@Haarg | ok | 22:17 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, did you end up doing anything with that calendar copy problem? | 22:24 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8756 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: undocument bug that is not fixed in this version | 22:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8757 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm): - security: A problem was discovered and fixed in which users could email executable attachments to a collaboration system and then when viewed online, could execute them. | 22:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8758 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm t/Form/Textarea.t): | 22:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: use proper method of formatting text for display in Textarea form | 22:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: control | 22:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8759 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm): | 22:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: - security: A problem was discovered and fixed in which users could email | 22:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: executable attachments to a collaboration system and then when viewed online, | 22:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: could execute them. We recommend immediate upgrade for all 7.x users. | 22:36 |
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+snapcount | anybody see a problem with changing line 439 of WSClient.pm from if (!$@) { to if (!$@ && defined $aref) { | 00:35 |
+snapcount | I'm not sure what the process is for submitting patches these days so I figured I'd start here | 00:35 |
+snapcount | I was getting an error when I used the WSClient and that fixes it | 00:36 |
+snapcount | DEBUG - www.hdpublishinggroup.com.conf - WebGUI::Macro::process[142] - Stack trace for ERROR Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440. | 00:36 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, no changes to calendar yet. My return undef if !$parent fix did not work. | 00:59 |
@Haarg | i'm not really sure how the changes i made in 7.6 dealt with the issue | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | it's gotta be in there somewhere | 01:00 |
@Haarg | the problem i saw right off when looking at it | 01:00 |
@Haarg | is the duplicate method on the calendar | 01:00 |
@Haarg | it doesn't use skipAutoCommit | 01:00 |
@Haarg | on its addChild calls | 01:00 |
@Haarg | also, it probably needs to override duplicateBranch | 01:01 |
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@Haarg | since it is already doing that behavior | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I noticed that, too | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | the copy icon in the asset toolbar now has a dropdown if you have children | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | allowing you to copy only the asset, or the asset and children, or asset and descendants | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | and since calendar always copies children, copy only asset does not work | 01:03 |
@Haarg | yeah | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | but I don't know why preaction did that in the first place, so I was hesitant to do anything with that | 01:03 |
@Haarg | it may just be best to remove the extra handling calendar has | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | except the skipAutoCommit you mentioned? | 01:04 |
@Haarg | no, the default duplicateBranch includes that | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | okay, now I'm officially confused | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | in the 7.6 branch, Calendar's duplicate does not do skip auto commit | 01:04 |
@Haarg | yeah, i don't know why it works in 7.6 | 01:05 |
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+perlDreamer | I'll start by tracing it in 7.5, and then comparing against 7.6 | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | There has to be a good reason for it | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | Your unconscious programming skills are quite envious, Haarg :) | 01:19 |
@Haarg | it's probably the hasBeenCommitted check | 01:20 |
@Haarg | the newly created parent hasn't been committed | 01:20 |
@Haarg | so it doesn't get an auto commit workflow | 01:20 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8760 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/Site.pm: redundant line | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | that would make sense | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | but don't we _want_ it to auto commit? | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | the problem is that it's going through a manual commit | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | or do I have it backwards? | 01:25 |
@Haarg | we don't want it to autocommit | 01:26 |
@Haarg | because for copy, the commit process is handled elsewhere | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | so, if I backport just hasBeenCommitted and use that, it would fix it | 01:26 |
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@Haarg | maybe, but i think fixing duplicate would be better | 01:27 |
@Haarg | fixing/eliminating | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | okay, then let me play it all back | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | well, there's a problem with that, too | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | if we eliminate duplicate, then in the Asset Manager when you copy a calendar, it won't copy all the events like it does now | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | I'm cool with that, as long as y'all are okay with the new behavior | 01:28 |
@Haarg | for now keeping the existing behaviour is probably better | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | so in 7.5, I'll just add the skipAutoCommit | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | and in 7.6...? | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | nuke dupe? | 01:30 |
@Haarg | that seems ok | 01:30 |
@Haarg | also, i think calendar (7.5) should have a duplicateBranch method | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | what does it need to override in the one from AssetVersioning? | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | uh, AssetBranch | 01:32 |
@Haarg | the one is AssetBranch duplicates children | 01:32 |
@Haarg | since duplicate already will be doing that | 01:32 |
@Haarg | duplicateBranch should not | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | That seems backwards to me. | 01:33 |
@preaction | I HATE THE CALENDAR | 01:33 |
@preaction | i just thought i should mention | 01:33 |
@Haarg | how so? | 01:33 |
@Haarg | in 7.6, we're eliminating duplicate, so it isn't an issue anymore | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | In a perfect world, duplicate branch would copy children, and duplicate would only duplicate the calendar. | 01:34 |
@Haarg | which is what we want to do in 7.6 | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | exactly | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | but didn't you just say that in 7.5, duplicate branch should _not_ duplicate events? | 01:34 |
@Haarg | no | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | (03:31:59 PM) Haarg: duplicateBranch should not | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | I'm probably taking that out of context | 01:35 |
@Haarg | in 7.5, Calendar::duplicateBranch should not duplicate children itself | 01:35 |
@Haarg | it should just let duplicate copy the children | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | I see | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | that makes more sense | 01:36 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for straightening me out | 01:36 |
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+perlDreamer | is it safe to commit, Haarg? | 01:42 |
@Haarg | yes | 01:42 |
@Haarg | i'm working on test failures | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | we haven't had any automated smoke tests in two days. | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | do you want some help with the tests? | 01:46 |
@preaction | it's been more than two days | 01:47 |
@preaction | the SVN version is broken for some unknown reason | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, but the stable branch was working up until the 30th of November | 01:47 |
@preaction | now that's not working either? god... | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | testing has high costs in maintenance | 01:48 |
@Haarg | i think i have the tests basically dealt with | 01:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8761 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix duplicate handling by the Calendar. | 01:50 |
@rizen | perlDreamer, do you have 7.6 checked out? | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | I have an up to date copy from SVN. Is that what you mean? | 01:51 |
@rizen | yeah | 01:51 |
@rizen | go to the admin console | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | let me switch over to 7.6 form 7.5 | 01:51 |
@rizen | is it hosed for you? | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | Admin console in the admin bar is okay | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | admin console from an operation, however, looks messed up | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | I'm missing the admin bbar | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | but from other places it looks fine, like from User | 01:55 |
+perlDreamer | groups is okay | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | so offhand I'd say it's just the AssetManager and admin console/admin bar together | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, Calendar buttoned up in both branches. | 02:04 |
+perlDreamer | phew | 02:04 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, do you have more 7.6 questions? | 02:07 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8762 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:19 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix Calendar copy behavior. By default, duplicate will only copy | 02:19 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: the Calendar. duplicateBranch must be called to copy it _and_ its | 02:19 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: children. | 02:19 |
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@rizen | sorry pd, had to take care of some stuff quick | 02:30 |
@rizen | for me, the admin console wrapper is fubarred everywhere | 02:31 |
@rizen | almost like the css is missing | 02:31 |
@rizen | actually, it's a js error: | 02:31 |
@rizen | Can't find variable: initAdminConsole | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | let me double check that I'm up to date | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | yep, fully up at 8762 | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, I'm about 10 minutes away from a bugfix for Tavis. Let me wrap it up and I'll help look at the adminConsole. | 02:34 |
@rizen | you don' t need to i was just trying to see if it's a local thing or not | 02:35 |
@rizen | if you're not seeing the problem, then it must be on my box | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | which workflow should collateral uploaded through the RTE image manager use | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | should it be autocommitted? | 02:38 |
@Haarg | should be the same as anywhere else i would think | 02:38 |
@Haarg | i'm doing the 7.6.5 release right now btw | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | I'm working in 7.5, I'll hold off forward porting 'til you're clear | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | right now the image manager does an addChild, but no kind of commit processing | 02:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8763 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm t/Form/Textarea.t): | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: use proper method of formatting text for display in Textarea form | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: control | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8764 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ (Form.pm ErrorHandler.pm): Make sure SQL parameters are stringified (for overloaded entries) before converting to json for debug output | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8765 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: FormValidator doesn't need to handle defaults, the Forms API already does that | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8766 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: filtering of rich text areas very slow for large content | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8767 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: international characters are corrupted on export | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8768 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Search/Index.pm: don't need to decode content before indexing it, it's already decoded | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8769 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): removing WSClient | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8770 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: fix some POD errors | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8771 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/File.t lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Macro/Thumbnail.t): some fixes after Storage and Storage::Image merge | 02:44 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8772 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.5 release | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | The WSClient is dead? | 02:46 |
@Haarg | we aren't supporting it anymore | 02:47 |
@Haarg | it'll get its own repo like SQL Form | 02:47 |
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+perlDreamer | what to do with WSClient bugs in the tracker? | 02:52 |
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@Haarg | well, if we can fix them in 7.5 that would be nice | 03:04 |
@Haarg | but it is so painful to work with that i'd consider them very low priority | 03:05 |
+perlDreamer | gotcha | 03:11 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8773 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (findSites.pl createSitesForServer.pl): bringing sites from servers into automat | 03:14 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8774 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.5-beta: Release 7.6.5-beta | 03:14 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8775 /experimental/use-at-own-risk.txt: use at your own risk | 03:14 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8776 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.6 dev | 03:41 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: Did you find out what's up with Admin Console on your box? | 05:05 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8777 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.t: Add wide character JSON encoding test. | 05:06 |
@preaction | would a report that only gets updated by a workflow activity be a useful thing? | 05:10 |
@preaction | so the user could navigate the report, but the data inside it is only updated by a workflow activity at a certain schedule (configured in the asset) | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | Is this a DataForm feature? | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | uh, DataTable | 05:15 |
@preaction | no, this would be added to the Report framework | 05:17 |
@preaction | which is... damnit... kind of similar to the DataTable | 05:18 |
@preaction | no, it's not. DataTable is for DataSources, which may be mutable | 05:33 |
@preaction | Report is for immutable data | 05:33 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8778 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (321 files in 56 dirs): | 05:33 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Merge branch '7.6.5-beta' into flux | 05:33 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Conflicts: | 05:33 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm | 05:33 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: i think you broke plainblack.com | 05:50 |
@rizen | =) | 05:50 |
@preaction | i don't know if it was him, the extra head tags are indeed there | 05:50 |
@rizen | huh? | 05:51 |
@rizen | i'm talking about style templates | 05:51 |
@rizen | and technically, it's not him that broke it | 05:51 |
@rizen | but rather steve, for designing the site like that | 05:51 |
@preaction | oh, i was trying to figure out why the SWFObject script was erroring, i suppose i never actually looked at the HTML being spit out | 05:52 |
@rizen | but that means that when we push this upgrade out to the public we should try to "fix" their borked templates for them | 05:52 |
@rizen | that is, if this is indeed the error | 05:53 |
@preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/home/homepage?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets <- this has some Extra <head> elements, but they aren't in the HTML being generated | 05:56 |
@rizen | ah well that would do it | 05:56 |
@rizen | i'm also restoring an old copy of the pb database | 05:56 |
@rizen | to see if there are any style templates that have a headblock with something in it | 05:57 |
@rizen | boom | 06:03 |
@rizen | you are a genius | 06:03 |
@preaction | but what was the fix? i can't find anywhere these things were supposed to get included in any way | 06:03 |
@preaction | nm, i see it now | 06:05 |
@rizen | the worst part about it is that i think i may have inadvertantly told him to remove that line | 06:07 |
@rizen | because i didn't understand what he was asking me | 06:08 |
@rizen | anyway...all better. back to watching WALL-E | 06:08 |
+perlDreamer | woe is me | 06:13 |
+perlDreamer | what do we need to do to fix the code, preaction and rizen? | 06:13 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: i believe it's all fixied now | 06:14 |
@preaction | i removed the two instances from processStyle, and JT added it back to prepareView | 06:14 |
SDuensin | Do you people ever sleep? | 06:14 |
+perlDreamer | sleep? | 06:15 |
+perlDreamer | preaction can't sleep, it's in his contract | 06:15 |
SDuensin | Yea. It's the dark part between bugs. | 06:15 |
+perlDreamer | and I've got a business to launch, so I'm trying to stay busy | 06:15 |
@preaction | i've been there ... once... | 06:15 |
SDuensin | Me too, bud. I hear that. | 06:15 |
@preaction | there were people talking | 06:15 |
@preaction | i didn't like them | 06:15 |
SDuensin | preaction needs to sleep. I'm going to bug him tomorrow. :-) | 06:16 |
@preaction | oh no, i'll be up bright and squirrelly in meetings | 06:16 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: with those code changes, will other views also get extraHeadTags? | 06:17 |
+perlDreamer | or only view? | 06:17 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: okay... how did this EVER work before? | 06:17 |
SDuensin | Well, I'm going to bed. This PB stuff is stressing me out. I need my beauty rest so I can do a good job tomorrow. Unlike today. | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, good night. Hack on tomorrow. | 06:18 |
SDuensin | I will. I'm still super-excited to get to do this! | 06:18 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8779 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: readded a line that i think i accidentally told colin to remove | 06:19 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: doug * r8780 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): cleaning up the rest of the extra head tags | 06:19 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: doug * r8781 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): dum dum dum dum dum | 06:19 |
@preaction | but doesn't this mean that they'll get added twice by view? | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | possibly | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | probably | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | I'll fire it up and check | 06:22 |
+perlDreamer | yup, it comes out twice | 06:27 |
@preaction | yay! | 06:28 |
+perlDreamer | Do we fix it tonight, or tomorrow? | 06:38 |
* perlDreamer votes for tomorrow, when fingers are fresh and heads are not befuddled | 06:39 |
@preaction | yes, tomorrow | 06:40 |
@preaction | when testing can be written so this little mishap doesn't hap again | 06:40 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8782 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 07:12 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Make copy use safe references. | 07:12 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add tests for remove, and copy. | 07:12 |
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wgGuest71 | Hi All | 12:43 |
wgGuest71 | hope someone here can help me | 12:43 |
wgGuest71 | embedding perl in pages - tried the MasonScript - seems to be a bit outdated | 12:44 |
wgGuest71 | anyone had any luck with this | 12:44 |
wgGuest71 | just need to be guided in the right direction | 12:44 |
BartJol | sorry, I can't help you | 12:45 |
wgGuest71 | no prob | 12:48 |
wgGuest71 | tx for reply | 12:48 |
BartJol | most people here live in the US and willl wake up in three to 4 hours | 12:50 |
BartJol | so you might wanna try again later | 12:50 |
wgGuest71 | much appreciated, Ill do that | 12:50 |
BartJol | glad to be some sort of help | 12:54 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8783 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: matrix bugfixes and code improvements | 13:09 |
wgGuest71 | another question if I may, I went to the bazaar, and wanted to buy the latest version of ruling webui, but I don't see it there. Am I looking at old forums? Does this manual still exist? | 13:23 |
wgGuest71 | not bazaar I mean this link https://www.plainblack.com/store/ | 13:29 |
wgGuest71 | should I be looking at the developers guide? | 13:30 |
BartJol | wgGuest71: well you have the primer that you can download | 13:52 |
BartJol | but for more explanation of programming and the use of the api, the developers guide is the thing | 13:52 |
BartJol | so it depends on what you wana do | 13:54 |
wgGuest71 | gone through that, want to get more into the nitty gritty, and in the forums ruling Webgui was mentioned, the manual I got is for 5.4 though, do not sure if that has changed | 13:55 |
BartJol | if you have a 7.x version, you can consider ruling WebGUI as obsolete | 13:55 |
BartJol | there has been many changes | 13:56 |
BartJol | I think that the content managers guide is most similar to ruling WebGUI | 13:56 |
wgGuest71 | awesome, so a purchase of the content guide and the developers guide will be most valuable. | 14:26 |
wgGuest71 | once again, thanx for the info | 14:26 |
BartJol | That's my opinion, but as long your not a designer, those two boomks should do the trick | 14:28 |
wgGuest71 | tx | 14:28 |
BartJol | np | 14:29 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8784 /branch/yung-thingy-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added rfe #w9099: Thingy field-copy function | 15:10 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r8785 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: #8775: Miscount in number of replies in CS Thread. | 17:05 |
SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:06 |
+MrHairgrease | Greasings! | 17:06 |
SDuensin | No, no greasing yet. Not made it to McDonalds. | 17:08 |
BartJol | I understood that all american food is greasy | 17:08 |
SDuensin | Not all. Just the good stuff. :-) | 17:11 |
+MrHairgrease | when you fix something for 7.5.35 and then forward port it to 7.6 does it have to be in both the 7.3.35 and 7.6 changelog? | 17:19 |
@preaction | MrHairgrease: no, just the 7.5 changelog | 17:24 |
@preaction | i believe we'll merge the changelogs when 7.6 goes stable | 17:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: ack, I've been putting everything in both changelogs. Oh well. | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | ok, makes sense | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | i guess it would look weird to see the same bug fixed twice | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | very back to the future | 17:26 |
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+perlDreamer | I'd like to point out that BartJol should be voiced because he's PBWG. | 18:06 |
+perlDreamer | Also, famous, talented, good looking and generous. | 18:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: martin * r8786 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merging fixed #8775: Miscount in number of replies in CS Thread. | 18:06 |
+perlDreamer | and, should Koen get out of control, he's "our last, best hope". | 18:06 |
* SDuensin just started watching B5. Very timely. | 18:07 |
BartJol | perlDreamer: uh? | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | just blush and accept the compliment, dude | 18:11 |
BartJol | ok, thanks | 18:12 |
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SDuensin | preaction / Haarg - When one of you has some time, I need a bit of guidance. | 18:15 |
@preaction | SDuensin: sup? | 18:15 |
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@preaction | BartJol: rejoin the channel please? | 18:16 |
SDuensin | I got your mail last night (dunno WTF happened before). Basically you need the old thing ported to the new thing? | 18:16 |
BartJol | preaction: why? | 18:17 |
BartJol | I'm here | 18:17 |
@preaction | BartJol: so that the server can auto-voice you and i can see that it works correctly | 18:17 |
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@preaction | er... | 18:17 |
@preaction | breathless anticipation! | 18:18 |
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+bartjol | preaction: it worked | 18:19 |
@preaction | yay! | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | welcome to the big boys bart | 18:20 |
+bartjol | joohooo! | 18:21 |
SDuensin | hehe | 18:21 |
+bartjol | dec 2008 is my nonth for WebGUI it seems | 18:21 |
+bartjol | and that while I just messed up a upgrade process, so Koen had to stay longer than he wanted... | 18:22 |
+bartjol | or is bugging Koen considered positive? | 18:23 |
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+MrHairgrease | sure why not | 18:25 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: ernesto * r8787 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 18:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: * Make WebGUI work with any kind of LDAP URI (ldap, ldaps and ldapi). | 18:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: The fix consists on making every connection use the URI _without_ the base. | 18:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: This requires rebuilding the URI parameters using scheme, host and port as | 18:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: taken from the original URI stored in WebGUI's or User Preferences, | 18:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: passing it as_string() to Net::LDAP->new(), and stripping any other | 18:34 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: parameter to the constructor. | 18:34 |
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+MrHairgrease | time to go | 19:00 |
+MrHairgrease | later | 19:00 |
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+bartjol | bye from me too | 19:02 |
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SDuensin | Ok, explain this one. I was working on a little Nokia 800 tablet last night. Somehow, I hurt my pinkie! It *still* hurts like hell! Capital letters are painful! | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | It's all that java typing with no sigils | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | It's weakened your sinews | 19:13 |
SDuensin | Apparently. | 19:13 |
SDuensin | Seriously. It hurts like hell. | 19:14 |
SDuensin | I need one of those foot pedal shift key things. | 19:14 |
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rjacobsen | good afternoon all | 19:24 |
SDuensin | hey | 19:24 |
rjacobsen | I was wondering if maybe there were some scripts available to where I could use the script to import a package to multiple sites within webgui and one to delete multiple assets in webgui | 19:25 |
rjacobsen | uploading packages to 50+ websites is taking forever..... | 19:26 |
SDuensin | Sounds like something that'd be handy. Don't know of such a beast though. | 19:26 |
rjacobsen | it would be awesome | 19:27 |
rjacobsen | how much would I have to pay for someone to write me such a script? | 19:27 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8788 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: fixed search | 19:27 |
rjacobsen | guess no one wants to make any money :( | 19:31 |
SDuensin | Hehe | 19:32 |
@preaction | rjacobsen: if you want a quote from plainblack, send an e-mail to sales@plainblack.com | 19:32 |
rjacobsen | well is there not such a script available? | 19:32 |
@preaction | rjacobsen: alternatively, fill out this form: https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/development/portfolio/quote | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | rjacobsen, no there isn't | 19:32 |
rjacobsen | gotcha | 19:33 |
rjacobsen | ok then | 19:33 |
@preaction | rjacobsen: you can look in the https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools section, i think the packages one might be there | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | it is | 19:42 |
+perlDreamer | does demo.webgui.org have several hosts on the same ip, or is it clustered? | 19:46 |
@preaction | several hosts on the same IP | 19:47 |
@preaction | demo.webgui.org is plainblack.com afaik | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | I'm working on Tavis's RTE upload problem. The problem is that it sometimes grabs a different site cookie with the same IP. That gives it a different session, and therefore scratch vars and version tag. | 19:47 |
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@preaction | uh... so it's a site configuration problem? | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | I think so. The only way I can duplicate it is to access my dev site via an IP address, versus the site's name | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | this bug could go all the way back into apache, or mod_perl, or site config | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | I'll make sure the HTTP environment vars are the same for all requests | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | well, I found the bug and it's not Apache or mod_perl | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | but I'm still confused | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | Form::HTMLArea used $session->url->getSiteName to get the name of the site | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | accessing it by IP address isn't in the list of sitenames, so it uses the first sitename | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | that's a different site from the original, so you get a new session | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | (via a different cookie) | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | but that doesn't fully explain the demo site yet | 19:58 |
@preaction | perhaps something to do with gateways and using multiple demo sites at the same time? | 19:58 |
@preaction | the cookie is named the same, and maybe it's only linked to the domain and not the path? | 19:58 |
@Haarg | demo.webgui.org is on cold | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | that sounds right, preaction. But then I'd expect it to be random. And this is very, very repeatable. | 20:00 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, what are the steps to reproduce this? | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | Log in as admin | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | Edit anything with an HTMLarea | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | Hit the Insert WebGUI Image button | 20:04 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8789 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): reverting 8787 due to compile errors | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | upload an image | 20:04 |
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+perlDreamer | Hit the select button next to the image | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | In the thumbnail error, you will see the string ERROR | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | If you leave the edit screen, you'll see that a version tag was created | 20:05 |
@Haarg | hrm | 20:05 |
@Haarg | i'm not seeing an error | 20:05 |
@Haarg | on a demo site | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | I've done it on several demo sites over the last few days | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | and, I can do it on a dev site, if you access it via IP address rather than site name | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it's tied to a particular browser? | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | this is the demo site I'm using now: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1228325826_275/home/welcome?func=edit | 20:07 |
@Haarg | i see | 20:07 |
@Haarg | it works on demo.webgui.org | 20:07 |
@Haarg | but not on demo.plainblack.com | 20:07 |
@Haarg | i could fix this on the server side probably | 20:11 |
@Haarg | i'm just not certain if that is the best fix | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | There's an alternate fix, I think. I just can't try it on a demo server | 20:11 |
@Haarg | it should probably be adjusted to use urls that are relative to / instead of having the full url | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | Inside Form/HTMLArea, I took out the getSiteUrl part of the image url | 20:11 |
@Haarg | yeah | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'll commit that | 20:12 |
@Haarg | it's just an issue with having two different domains for one site | 20:12 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8790 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): have imageTree use relative urls to handle sites with multiple sitenames | 20:31 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8791 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): | 20:31 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Remove 7.5.34 changelog that snuck into the 7.6 branch. | 20:31 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Forward port imageTree thumbnail relative url fix for sites with multiple hostnames | 20:31 |
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SquOnk | Hi | 20:49 |
@preaction | hello there | 20:49 |
SquOnk | I saw my patch 8787 to 7.5 reverted because of compilation errors. I wonder what those compilation errors are, since I'm not seeing them. | 20:50 |
SquOnk | (The patch is in production in my servers since monday, that's why I'm curious) | 20:50 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: you reverted that patch, can you fill in? | 20:51 |
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+perlDreamer | All my logs are wiped. I do that when working on bugs to keep the paging down | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | I'll merge that patch back in later today, and try to recreate it | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | I remember missing my's, and issues like that | 20:52 |
@preaction | i'll run the syntax_check.t against that revision | 20:52 |
SquOnk | preaction: Please do, and let me know what's wrong. As I said, this patch is in production with no errors or warnings at all. | 20:53 |
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wgGuest15 | Hi All, I had a question earlier about embedding perl in an html page layout in webgui. I tried using MasonScript to no evail. It seems a bit out-dated, can anyone steer me in the right direction? | 20:55 |
wgGuest15 | your response is much appreciated in advance | 20:56 |
@preaction | SquOnk, perlDreamer: looks like syntaxCheck.t passes | 20:57 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8792 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: better linking between objects | 20:57 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, I owe you an apology then | 20:57 |
+perlDreamer | Would you like me to add the patch back in? | 20:57 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, please. | 20:58 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...so it makes it into the next release. | 20:58 |
@preaction | wgGuest15: firstly i would not suggest what you're trying. secondly, look for PerlOutputFilterHandler maybe? | 20:59 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hold on. | 21:00 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: JT wrote an e-mail to me. And he's right about me not being aware of the feature freeze, so I guess the patch should not be committed yet. I need to do a better job :-) | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, it's probably just a matter of timing. | 21:01 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: It always is :-) | 21:01 |
wgGuest15 | preaction:Tx for the response, why would you advice against using the method (embedding)? I will do a bit more reading on what you have recommended | 21:02 |
@preaction | wgGuest15: because putting Perl code in that layer opens up a whole bunch of security holes | 21:02 |
@preaction | wgGuest15: you could try making a new template plugin for mason, that might work better and be more secure | 21:02 |
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apeiron | Well, you *could* switch over to the TT plugin and use its PERL directive.... but not advisable regardless. | 21:05 |
@preaction | that might be better than anything i've yet suggested | 21:06 |
wgGuest15 | preaction:I agree that would be the best approach. However, I am pressed for time at the moment (aren't we all these days) and have a deadline to meet. | 21:06 |
Petruchio | Hey, anyone here work for Plain Black? | 21:07 |
@preaction | Petruchio: all the ops here | 21:07 |
Petruchio | Ah. | 21:07 |
wgGuest15 | Let me look into the TT plugin, thanx for the assistance. | 21:07 |
wgGuest15 | btw, Great product, really like what I have seen so far | 21:08 |
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+perlDreamer | In the rich editor, enabling the buttons in the toolbars is sometimes not enough to enable functionality. | 21:14 |
@preaction | that's... kinda weird | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | For example, you may also have to update the Valid Elements property for the rich text editor | 21:14 |
@preaction | hate the tinymce. i want to go to the YUI one | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8774 | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | I'm thinking about just updating the hover help for the toolbars sections | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | but I'm wondering if instead I should change the default forum editor to allow all elements let the toolbar control what's going on | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | any suggestions from the PB crew? | 21:15 |
@preaction | i think just updating the help and docs | 21:17 |
@preaction | or... what if enabling the button would also add (using a bit of client-side scripting) the element(s) to the list of enabled elements? | 21:17 |
@preaction | perhaps with a small pop-up warning saying "oh, btw, i just did this" | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | that sounds like more than I want to do in 7.5 | 21:18 |
@preaction | not sure i like the idea, seems overly complicated | 21:18 |
* perlDreamer goes running | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | We're under three pages of bugs now | 21:32 |
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WebGUI | hi there | 21:35 |
ckotil | Any plan to allow multiple groups be allowed to view/edit an asset? without doing groups of groups | 21:35 |
@preaction | ckotil: patspam has been working on a thing called "Flux" that might handle what you want. otherwise there's no plan for it yet. perhaps an RFE for it? | 21:35 |
ckotil | cool. yeah, might as well | 21:36 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8793 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 21:54 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Note that adding an RTE toolbar button does not guarantee that | 21:54 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: the functionality it provides will work. The Valid Elements | 21:54 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: property also needs to be updated. | 21:54 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8794 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update RTE docs for adding toolbar buttons AND Valid Elements | 21:54 |
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+perlDreamer | snapcount, for your WSClient patch, what do you want the attribution to be in the change log? | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | Roy Johnson, ExploreOS? | 23:56 |
+snapcount | huh? | 23:59 |
+snapcount | oh | 23:59 |
--- Day changed Thu Dec 04 2008 |
+snapcount | actually HD Publishing Group, Inc. | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | since you provided a patch | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | will do | 00:00 |
+snapcount | or Death, Inc. | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | not Guitar Hero Wannabe's of Florida ? | 00:00 |
+snapcount | hahah | 00:00 |
+snapcount | I have not given up on our plot to take over all of the nation's Papa Johns | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | with the new Shop, it will be easier | 00:01 |
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+snapcount | thanks for getting that in Colin, I appreciate it | 00:03 |
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+perlDreamer | You're welcome. | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | I won't miss the WSClient, but I'm glad you find it useful. | 00:04 |
+snapcount | we have a little SOAP service that returns sales statistics | 00:04 |
+snapcount | and we use it in the footer of our intranet to show everyone how we're doing for the day | 00:04 |
@preaction | my question is, we're getting rid of it, sure, but can it be fixed at all? | 00:06 |
@preaction | i mean, is it possible, given the scope of the thing? | 00:06 |
+snapcount | well it works for our specific instance with that patch | 00:07 |
+snapcount | it probably won't work for anything else though lol | 00:07 |
+snapcount | perlDreamer I'm coming to OSCon this year | 00:07 |
+snapcount | and the WUC | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | cool. I wish I could | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | OSCON, that is | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | but it's in California in 2009 | 00:08 |
+snapcount | yeah that's still close man | 00:08 |
+snapcount | =) | 00:08 |
+snapcount | road trip! | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | we'll see how perlDreamer does this year in business | 00:08 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8795 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): patch to stop WSClient from dying if there is no data to show | 00:24 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8796 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: international characters are corrupted on export | 00:24 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8797 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: filtering of rich text areas very slow for large content | 00:24 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8798 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: FormValidator doesn't need to handle defaults, the Forms API already does that | 00:24 |
+snapcount | so is using && not PBP or is that one of them numerical -vs- string operator deals perlDreamer? | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | I was lazy and my fingers typed and | 00:36 |
+snapcount | oh ok haha | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | I didn't download and apply the patch | 00:36 |
+snapcount | I don't get to program as much anymore | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | that's a bummer | 00:36 |
+snapcount | wanted to make sure I'm not slacking on my Perl =) | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | I'm programming a lot, so it probably balances out | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | why doesn't mysql like `users.userId` ? | 00:37 |
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apeiron | snapcount, && , and are different, to be used in different cases. They differ in terms of predence, meaning that expressions bound to && are evaluated first. | 00:40 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: would it be very bad to have the Asset Aspect comment text area use WebGUI::HTML::format so that newlines are obeyed, and other unsafe characters are commented out? | 00:45 |
@rizen | no, i thought i made it do that | 00:45 |
@rizen | go ahead | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | thanks :) | 00:46 |
@rizen | not on save though...on display | 00:46 |
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+perlDreamer | right, only on display | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | I've never looked in the Aspect code before. It's very clean. | 00:59 |
Mech422 | *yawn* morning all | 01:01 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: I'm finally getting back to work after the holidays, and had a question.. | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | ask away, Mech422 | 01:02 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: I need to make a change so that editing a user profile fires a work flow event.. | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | I remember this talk... | 01:03 |
Mech422 | and preaction mentioned there was some code in place already to fire an event when the admin made changes | 01:03 |
Mech422 | right... | 01:03 |
Mech422 | so I'm looking in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account | 01:03 |
Mech422 | but I don't see anything in Profile.pm or User.pm that appears to check for admin priviledges or fire an event ? | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | It would be (or was in) Operation/User.pm | 01:04 |
Mech422 | what does 'event firing code' look like in webgui ? ($self->event->first('update') ? Ahh... i'm looking in the wrong spot.... | 01:04 |
@rizen | thanks for the compliment perlDreamer | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | in WebGUI, most forms are two parts | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | www_{action} | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | and www_{actionSave} | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | it's the second that you're looking for in Operation/User.pm | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | www_editUserSave | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | look around lines 516 | 01:06 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: yeah - I saw code like that in Account.pm and User.pm... I thought those were the ones | 01:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8799 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make UserList handle profile fields with spaces in their field names | 01:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8800 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting UserList profile field name bug fix | 01:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8801 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Comments.pm): Have AssetAspect comment format its content as HTML, not text. | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | there's workflow code for a new user, and an existing user | 01:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8802 /experimental/Automat/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm sbin/getmaildomains.pl): script to link everyone.net mail servers to automat sites | 01:06 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: oh - Operation/User.pm is deprecated... | 01:07 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: it says to use Account::Profile instead | 01:07 |
Mech422 | stupid irc client... make that Account: : Profile | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | sure, but that's where to find the code that you're looking for | 01:07 |
@rizen | you may need to talk to khenn about that...he may have forgotten to put the triggers back in when i was rewriting all the account stuff | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | then you can add that to Account::Profile to do what you wish | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | the triggers are still in there | 01:08 |
@rizen | ok | 01:08 |
@rizen | nevermind then | 01:08 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: ahh - ok | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | line 516 | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | and I don't see any deprecation notices in Operation/User.pm | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | where are they? | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | gotta run a quick errand, I should be back in 30 minutes or so | 01:09 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: got it... sweet :-) .. Thanks :-) | 01:09 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: sorry - it was profile.pm that was deprecated | 01:10 |
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Mech422 | (my up-arrow (command recall) nabbed the wrong file :-P ) | 01:10 |
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+perlDreamer | back | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | THINGY SUCKS | 01:32 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: eh? I thought thingy was the new 'golden boy' webgui plugin ? | 01:33 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: btw - I think I found a small bug with this event code | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | oh? Cool! Do share. | 01:33 |
Mech422 | perldreamer: in user.pm line 516+/- its firing the runOnAdminCreateUser and runOnAdminUpdateUser events | 01:34 |
Mech422 | thing is - it might not be the Admin thats doing the updates | 01:35 |
Mech422 | its actually just anyone for which CanEdit($session) is true | 01:35 |
Mech422 | (or canAdd($session) is true ) | 01:36 |
Mech422 | so user 'steve' editing 'steve's user profile would fire the runOnAdminUpdateUser event ? | 01:36 |
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+perlDreamer | Mech422, that's actually by design | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | there are several groups of people who can edit users through the admin interface | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | just check out the canAdd and canEdit methods for the details on it | 01:43 |
Mech422 | ahh - in that case - I don't need to do anything | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | no, it should be fine | 01:43 |
Mech422 | I can just add a workflow on the runOnAdminUpdateUser event | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | No. | 01:43 |
Mech422 | and it will get fired even if 'steve' modifies 'steve's profile ? | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | When Steve modifies his own profile, it comes out of Account/Profile.pm | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | the code in Operation/User.pm is for Admins only | 01:44 |
Mech422 | ahh.. | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | so you need to build in a trigger for Account/Profile.pm | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | and then you'd also add a new setting in Operation/Setting | 01:44 |
Mech422 | ok - so should I create a new 'event' in Profile.pm or just use runOnAdminUpdateUser ? | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | to allow admins to choose which workflow is run | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | Workflow::Instance->create({})->start is the "event" | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | now you have to tell it what data to run | 01:45 |
Mech422 | ok - I see the @fields stuff for 'workflow' in settings.. | 01:48 |
Mech422 | I can just add an arbitrary key ( name => 'runOnUpdateUser') there, or is there some 'schema' somewhere that needs it as well ? | 01:49 |
+perlDreamer | to add a new setting, use the settings sub object in $session | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | $session->setting->add(name, defaultValue); | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | then, you can add code to Operation/Settings to handle the UI for it | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | actually, hold on a second | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | Account plugins can have their own edit screens | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | it would be better to add the UI code in Account/Profile.pm | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | so, to review. | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | 1) Build an update-type script that adds the setting to the db | 01:53 |
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+perlDreamer | 2) Modify Account/Profile to add the UI to pick the workflow | 01:54 |
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+perlDreamer | 3) Modify Account/Profile to add the firing code inside www_editSave, if there are no errors | 01:54 |
Mech422 | Hmm ... | 01:57 |
Mech422 | this whole db thing is gonna take some getting used to | 01:58 |
Mech422 | Do you have some sort of deployment script you use for making sure you don't forget to run lil one-off scripts like this when you deploy a live site ? | 01:59 |
Mech422 | or do people just dump and restore the DB when they migrate/deploy a site ? | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422, see docs/upgrades/upgrade_v1_v2.pl | 02:04 |
+perlDreamer | also, I'm sure that rizen and crew have provisioning scripts for handling custom code along with merging in new code from the core. | 02:05 |
@rizen | mech422 what do you mean "migrate" / "deploy" a site? | 02:06 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: its nice there's an update skeleton in that dir :-) | 02:07 |
Mech422 | rizen: we generally build sites on a 'dev' server, and deploy the finished sites on a seperate production server | 02:08 |
@rizen | interesting | 02:08 |
@rizen | when you say "build" are we talking site content, or code | 02:08 |
Mech422 | rizen: also, if we update a site (other then trivial css type changes) | 02:08 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: did you fix this bug already? | 02:09 |
Mech422 | we pull the site back from the production server to a 'dev' server | 02:09 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/thingy-next-page-broken-on-initial-page | 02:09 |
Mech422 | rizen: typically - both... | 02:09 |
@rizen | Mech422: with webgui i wouldn't recommend using your old model | 02:09 |
Mech422 | rizen: mostly its for the code, skinning etc | 02:09 |
@rizen | do all content on the production server all the time | 02:09 |
@rizen | templates are content as far as webgui is concerned | 02:09 |
@rizen | that's why there is a versioning system | 02:10 |
Mech422 | rizen: but that generally requires getting some content in just to see how stuff looks/works/etc | 02:10 |
@rizen | again, that's why there's a versioning system | 02:10 |
@rizen | the problem you'll have if you do what you're saying | 02:10 |
@rizen | on anything other than a brochureware site | 02:10 |
@rizen | is syncing content that gets updated on prod | 02:10 |
@rizen | to your dev server | 02:10 |
@rizen | and back | 02:10 |
@rizen | like forums | 02:10 |
@rizen | wiki pages | 02:10 |
@rizen | poll results | 02:10 |
@rizen | etc | 02:10 |
+perlDreamer | user profile data | 02:11 |
Mech422 | oh yeah - thats a given | 02:11 |
@rizen | that's why you should do all content changes *only* on the production server | 02:11 |
Mech422 | you don't expect the dev server to stay in sync if your updating a 'live' site | 02:11 |
@rizen | now, if you do have something you want to change on a dev server, make a package from the production server | 02:11 |
@rizen | deploy it on dev | 02:11 |
@rizen | edit | 02:11 |
@rizen | export from dev | 02:11 |
@rizen | and import back into prod | 02:11 |
@rizen | but you shouldn't often need to do that | 02:12 |
@rizen | as far as code changes are concerned...absolutely you should use a dev server | 02:12 |
Mech422 | could I update a production site with these user profile changes using that method ? | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | no | 02:12 |
@rizen | no | 02:12 |
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@rizen | only content is versioned | 02:12 |
@rizen | user accounts and profiles aren't versioned | 02:12 |
@rizen | and therefore isn't packagable | 02:12 |
@rizen | you can only package assets | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | but you could apply code patches from your dev site to the production site. | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | but not data, just like rizen said | 02:13 |
Mech422 | right - or VCS | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 02:13 |
@rizen | we absolutely do sync prod sites down to dev servers so that we can test on "real" data | 02:13 |
@rizen | and in those cases, we just take a backup file (created by the wre) and restore it on the dev server | 02:14 |
@rizen | but we only use dev servers for code changes | 02:14 |
@rizen | testing out content migration processes | 02:14 |
@rizen | new plugins | 02:14 |
@rizen | etc | 02:14 |
Mech422 | I'll have to work this out in more detail as I go along... yeah, I don't expect to deal with content that way | 02:15 |
Mech422 | I just meant we end up with some 'testing' content on the dev. boxes | 02:16 |
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Mech422 | I basically need to come up with a quick and easy way to migrate site code bases from one place to another - sounds like a vcs system plus 'install' script would be the way to go | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 02:18 |
Mech422 | so I can hg clone myclientsite ; cd myclientsite ; ./setup_webgui ; echo "done - go get lunch" :-) | 02:18 |
Mech422 | anyway - gotta add this bit of fluff in before I worry about that | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, does the Dev Guide talk about handling custom code? | 02:22 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: not from what I could see.... (as a newb ) | 02:23 |
@rizen | i don't think so | 02:23 |
@rizen | i mean it talks about how to create it | 02:23 |
@rizen | but not how to manage it | 02:23 |
@rizen | Mech422 what we do is check out our custom code into a folder in /data | 02:23 |
@rizen | like /data/Automat | 02:23 |
@rizen | then we add /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom | 02:24 |
@rizen | we put that folder in there | 02:24 |
@rizen | so it loads in the code | 02:24 |
@rizen | but is not mixed in with WebGUI | 02:24 |
@rizen | and is still attached to the version control system | 02:24 |
Mech422 | that makes sense | 02:24 |
@rizen | so we can just do "cd /data/Automat; svn update" | 02:24 |
@rizen | and yes, we write install / upgrade scripts for those | 02:25 |
Mech422 | and then I could keep my 'install' script in there - to do whatever db updates are necessary for the custom code | 02:25 |
@rizen | they are usually in /data/Automat/sbin | 02:25 |
@rizen | for example | 02:25 |
@rizen | exactly | 02:25 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: you're right, i should write a chapter on that | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | it will give you something to write this year, before the WUC | 02:26 |
@rizen | yeah, i want to put out new versions of all our books before the wuc this year | 02:27 |
@rizen | or rather, release them at the WUC | 02:27 |
@rizen | we're already working on the next design guide | 02:27 |
@rizen | and kristi will be putting out the 7.6 version of the CM guide in february | 02:28 |
@rizen | and the 7.7 version at the WUC | 02:28 |
@rizen | but the commerce, dev, and admin guides should all be updated for the wuc as well | 02:29 |
patspam | perlmonkey2: ping | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | arrrgh! | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | User profiling is broken. | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | It doesn't handle spaces in the field names | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't tell you if you duplicate a field | 02:44 |
@rizen | blame Haarg. he's not here to defend himself | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | khenn is my usual go to guy. | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | He always makes me eat my words :) | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | and he did do the last profile related work with Account | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | so even though the bugs are in 7.5, he must be responsible for the | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | m | 03:02 |
@rizen | true, but he can actually defend himself | 03:02 |
@rizen | though i never tell him that | 03:02 |
@rizen | pretty much every conversation i have with him ends with him saying "i hate you" | 03:03 |
@rizen | but in a good way | 03:03 |
+perlDreamer | hate is only orthogonal to love, not an full opposite | 03:03 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8803 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: | 03:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Survey bug fix - showProgress, showTimeLimit and timeLimit should not be | 03:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: stored at the response level (they are global to asset instance) | 03:06 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8804 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: | 03:32 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fixed some curly Survey js type casting bugs so that | 03:32 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: questionsOnSectionPage, everyPageText and everyPageTitle work as | 03:32 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: expected. | 03:32 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8805 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Cherry-picked latest Survey bug fixes from master | 03:32 |
@khenn | I don't accept blame for anything | 04:11 |
@khenn | it's all rizen's fault | 04:11 |
@preaction | heh, we all know whose fault it really is | 04:51 |
@preaction | JAMIE VRBSKY | 04:51 |
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patspam | does the template syntax highlighter resizer work for anyone in any of the recent betas? | 05:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: pong | 05:03 |
@preaction | it's ... weird | 05:04 |
@preaction | you have to click it, then drag mouse, then click to drop it | 05:04 |
patspam | lol, two of use here just went "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh" | 05:05 |
patspam | use/us | 05:05 |
patspam | perlmonkey2: hey man | 05:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: word yo | 05:07 |
patspam | I'm going to change the <font color="red">*</font> for required fields to use CSS so that it can be skinned | 05:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | sounds groovy | 05:08 |
patspam | I was going to ask you something before... oh yeah | 05:09 |
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patspam | showProgress, showTimeLimit and timeLimit were being stored at the response level, which was kinda confusing if you changed them at the asset level and then wondered why some users who were halfway through a survey didn't see the change | 05:10 |
patspam | i switched them over to just use $self->get('showProgress') etc.. rather than storing/retrieving at the response level, didn't seem to be any need to have them there | 05:10 |
patspam | just wanted to check there wasn't some subtle ninja reason for having them stored on a per-response basis | 05:12 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8806 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): | 06:16 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Flagging of invalid Survey fields now uses CSS classes instead of <font> tags | 06:16 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: (for skinnability) | 06:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: I did that so that there wouldn't need to be an additional DB query. | 06:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | patspam: I'm not sure why you would change the time limits in the middle of an open survey. And if you did change the time limits, would you want the changes to affect people already in the middle of a survey? Plus you get the extra DB call. | 06:22 |
patspam | yo | 06:23 |
patspam | not following on why there would be an extra db query? | 06:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | is the ->get call not hitting the DB? Or are the asset's params loaded into memory upon creation? | 06:26 |
patspam | yeah i think Asset.pm pulls them all in at once | 06:27 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, it does appear to do so. cool then, sounds good. | 06:31 |
patspam | I think I'm going to have to name my first born child git | 06:35 |
patspam | i just got sent a link to a zoomerang survey, interesting to check out the competition :) | 06:37 |
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sduensin | Hello -- sorta! | 17:46 |
npinansky | Is there a specific API i should query to get the status of workflow instances? | 17:51 |
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@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: do you know anything about those IRS rebate rules? Is that just a tax writeoff? | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | I think it's a tax rebate. | 18:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | That will be brilliant then :D | 18:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: What's the part that regulates the AC current from the turbine into 110/220? That's another expensive part I might be able to find cheaper. | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | Good question. It may be called an inverter. | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | Everything I've done for the past 13 years has been all DC current. | 18:36 |
nuba | is this some space rocket DIY project youre doing in your garage? | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | No AC or power work. | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | It's one of the reasons I went into microelectronics | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | You can't really get hurt by most 5V sources | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | I worked for Freightliner for 6 months. | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | I was told once not to touch an insulated stud connected to several large wires | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | When I asked why, I was told there was 300 amps going through it | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | it kind of killed my interest in high power applications | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | I know it's silly, but I have this thing about fatal electrical burns | 18:37 |
* perlDreamer goes to the gym, bbl | 18:38 |
nuba | I can simpathize with that | 18:38 |
sduensin | Gym??? Some geek you are. | 18:38 |
nuba | not with the gym | 18:38 |
nuba | sympathize with the high power thing | 18:39 |
sduensin | Oh yea. I dont play with that crap either. | 18:40 |
sduensin | This frickin drive upgrade is taking too long... I got code to write! | 18:41 |
nuba | on the other hand, being close to these things contribute to less dull moments in the job | 18:43 |
nuba | not to mention internal jokes and pranks like "hey, can you stick this post it there for me, please!" among the staff | 18:43 |
nuba | pretty lively | 18:44 |
sduensin | Hehehe | 18:44 |
nuba | and deadly | 18:44 |
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sduensin | Well, yea. But as long as its funny. :-) | 18:46 |
@perlmonkey2 | nuba: this is for a DIY wind turbine project :) | 18:55 |
nuba | whoa | 18:55 |
nuba | impressive | 18:55 |
nuba | this is surely going to blow people's socks off! :D | 18:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | nuba: we'll see. My dad and uncle and I are going in on all the welding supplies, but we've yet to find a good enough deal that we all agree on it. | 18:58 |
ckotil | Calendar feed updates are giving me lots and lots of version tags. | 19:01 |
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SDuensin | Back. | 19:15 |
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sandraqu | hi | 19:27 |
SDuensin | howdy | 19:27 |
sandraqu | would someone guide me in using putty to login as a root user via SSH? | 19:27 |
nuba | in the host field, add the name of the machine or ip address | 19:28 |
sandraqu | hi sduensin | 19:28 |
nuba | port is most likely 22 | 19:28 |
nuba | connect | 19:28 |
nuba | you'll be asked to confirm the server's key fingerprint | 19:28 |
nuba | then you'll see a blank term window while putty handshakes the server and gets a connection going | 19:29 |
nuba | then you'll be asked to provide the username | 19:29 |
nuba | then the password | 19:29 |
nuba | and if you do it right | 19:29 |
nuba | next thing is a shell prompt at the box | 19:30 |
sandraqu | what if i can't find the root and passwd. i know that sounds sketchy | 19:30 |
nuba | well, if you have a non-root account there | 19:30 |
nuba | you can use that account and use sudo, if it was configured for you | 19:30 |
nuba | by a sysadmin | 19:30 |
sandraqu | could i get the cmd prompt to list them without being logged in? | 19:30 |
nuba | of the box | 19:30 |
nuba | cant get a cmd prompt without valid user account | 19:31 |
sandraqu | is there a generic user/pass? | 19:31 |
nuba | get in touch with the box's sysadmin | 19:31 |
nuba | nope | 19:31 |
sandraqu | is root usually root? | 19:31 |
sandraqu | admin? | 19:31 |
nuba | LOL, no | 19:31 |
nuba | that'd be a security hole like the meteor crater in arizona | 19:31 |
nuba | thres no such ting | 19:32 |
nuba | theres* thing* | 19:32 |
nuba | contact the box's admin | 19:32 |
sandraqu | ... | 19:32 |
sandraqu | nuba, short of calling webGUI, i'm one of the admin's | 19:33 |
sandraqu | i just dont' use ssh all that often, especially webGui's | 19:33 |
nuba | oh. well, you should contact the admin who's got the root pwd | 19:34 |
sandraqu | yes | 19:34 |
nuba | and ask him to help you get your account going | 19:34 |
sandraqu | it's a her | 19:35 |
SDuensin | Hers have passwords, too. | 19:35 |
sandraqu | :] | 19:35 |
nuba | be nice to her | 19:35 |
nuba | ask politely | 19:36 |
nuba | she might even give you the root pwd | 19:36 |
nuba | :D | 19:36 |
SDuensin | hehe | 19:36 |
sandraqu | alright | 19:36 |
sandraqu | off i go | 19:36 |
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nuba | that was funny | 19:36 |
nuba | needs to improve his social engineering skills, tho | 19:37 |
SDuensin | Reminds me of the time I got a call from someone on the third floor having problems logging in... In a two story building. | 19:38 |
nuba | SDuensin: want to know the universal 'Hers' password? | 19:38 |
nuba | get close to her and whisper '75% OFF' | 19:38 |
nuba | she'll go mad and overflow | 19:38 |
nuba | :D | 19:38 |
SDuensin | hehe | 19:39 |
SDuensin | Not my wife. She'd be like, "Of what? What are you buying NOW?" :-) | 19:39 |
nuba | actually thats from a standup comedian, dont remember her name now... | 19:39 |
nuba | here, wife agreed yesterday to friendly divorce | 19:40 |
nuba | gotta act swiftly, before she changes her mind.. | 19:41 |
SDuensin | Sorry to hear that. I think. | 19:41 |
SDuensin | My wife rocks. (I *do* buy a lot!) | 19:41 |
nuba | well, it'll be different, but I'm looking forward to it | 19:41 |
nuba | have for some time now | 19:41 |
SDuensin | As long as you're happy, I'm happy for you. :-) | 19:42 |
nuba | we were fragile as a relationship a year ago. then she brought my mother-in-law to live with us. and the rest, they say, is history... | 19:42 |
SDuensin | Ooo. Yea. I can see how that'd be bad. | 19:42 |
SDuensin | Actually, I quite like all my wife's family. They're a lot like mine. Got lucky, I guess. | 19:44 |
nuba | probably | 19:44 |
nuba | if its working, and fulfilling, I'd say 'stick with it' | 19:44 |
SDuensin | That's the plan, man. | 19:44 |
@rizen | i don't even like my own family, let alone my wife's | 19:45 |
nuba | heh | 19:45 |
SDuensin | Although, I need to get this laptop back where it belongs before she gets home. :-D | 19:45 |
SDuensin | rizen lives! | 19:45 |
@rizen | just every other thursday | 19:45 |
@rizen | the rest of the time i'm undead | 19:45 |
SDuensin | Oddly, I believe that. | 19:46 |
SDuensin | "Never could get the hang of thursdays." | 19:46 |
nuba | here we had a regular Saturday From Hell | 19:50 |
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sandraqu | hello again | 19:51 |
nuba | when everybody would be aroun, and things would crash-n-burn | 19:51 |
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sandraqu | i'm in. have a bash prompt. i want to install a macro :] | 19:51 |
sandraqu | do i have to use sudo? | 19:51 |
nuba | that was fast | 19:52 |
SDuensin | Depends on a lot of things. | 19:52 |
SDuensin | Are you in as root? | 19:52 |
sandraqu | dunno | 19:52 |
sandraqu | i'm in though | 19:52 |
nuba | type whoami and press <ENTER> | 19:52 |
sandraqu | the username is not root, if that's your question | 19:52 |
nuba | or id | 19:52 |
sandraqu | it returns the username i provide | 19:52 |
sandraqu | d | 19:53 |
nuba | which was | 19:53 |
nuba | ...? | 19:53 |
sandraqu | my bosses | 19:53 |
nuba | well it doesnt matter | 19:53 |
SDuensin | No offense, but I think you need to brush up on your UNIX skills quite a bit before you go installing or altering anything. | 19:53 |
nuba | you would have noticed if it were 'root' | 19:53 |
sandraqu | SDue... don't worry | 19:53 |
sandraqu | i crash things all the time | 19:54 |
sandraqu | crash n learn, is what i like to call it | 19:54 |
nuba | heh, sounds like me back in the days... | 19:54 |
SDuensin | You can do a lot of damage as root. Just be sure the box is expendable. :-) | 19:54 |
sandraqu | so nuba, since your more adventurous, should i just try to install the pm? | 19:54 |
nuba | when I was a wise fool .. er.. guess Im still one... some things never change... | 19:54 |
sandraqu | see if it works? | 19:54 |
nuba | so, sandraqu, first rule of business | 19:54 |
sandraqu | i guess.. is the bash prompt ok? | 19:55 |
nuba | make a backup of what you have | 19:55 |
nuba | so if you crash | 19:55 |
nuba | you can CTRL+Z | 19:55 |
nuba | and make your bosses happy again | 19:55 |
sandraqu | nuba, i won't crash. i am not that much of a newbie, just not an everyday shell user | 19:55 |
nuba | you know how to do a .tar.gz archive | 19:55 |
nuba | ? | 19:55 |
nuba | and a mysqldump? | 19:55 |
sandraqu | the system is backup up | 19:55 |
nuba | check that | 19:56 |
sandraqu | check the dummp? | 19:56 |
nuba | you reall y want to watch your back | 19:56 |
nuba | yeah, check if the backups are doing fine | 19:56 |
sandraqu | we pay plainback to watch it for us | 19:56 |
nuba | oh.. | 19:56 |
nuba | hey, youre a plainblack customer? | 19:56 |
sandraqu | yes | 19:56 |
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sandraqu | i know they can do this | 19:57 |
nuba | maybe you could have them holding your hand in the process... | 19:57 |
nuba | if its in your support plan | 19:57 |
nuba | check with your customer representative | 19:57 |
sandraqu | ii'm just trying to speed thngs up. if you would prefer. | 19:57 |
sandraqu | alright nuba. you're not helping me anymore. thanks | 19:57 |
nuba | wow youre quick to burn bridges | 19:57 |
nuba | i didnt say that | 19:58 |
sandraqu | oh | 19:58 |
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sandraqu | sorry | 19:58 |
sandraqu | nuba, i'm just trying to do this myself so that i can try out a macro | 19:58 |
sandraqu | i have a monday deadline | 19:58 |
nuba | okay, well what macro are you trying to install? | 19:58 |
sandraqu | i have a guide, but thought to inquire here | 19:58 |
sandraqu | the mail encode one | 19:59 |
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nuba | if i recall correctly, you have to unpack it under /data/WebGUI | 19:59 |
nuba | and enable it on your site's config file | 19:59 |
nuba | which hangs at /data/WebGUI/etc/ | 19:59 |
sandraqu | yes | 20:00 |
sandraqu | hmm | 20:00 |
sandraqu | nuba, i'm at the bash prompt though. | 20:00 |
sandraqu | i think i have to do be root | 20:00 |
nuba | 'sudo -s' will get you a root's shell, but that depends on how sudo is configured in the box | 20:01 |
nuba | otherwise you can 'su -' too | 20:01 |
nuba | but for this one you'll need to know the root's pwd | 20:01 |
nuba | maybe you dont need the root's pwd | 20:01 |
nuba | check your site's /data/WebGUI/etc/yoursitenamehere.conf | 20:02 |
nuba | ls -l /data/WebGUI/etc/yoursitenamehere.conf | 20:02 |
sandraqu | nuba... it now has a # isntead of $ at the end of the prompt (with sudo 0-s | 20:02 |
nuba | see if its owned by your boss' user | 20:02 |
nuba | type whoami | 20:02 |
sandraqu | root | 20:02 |
nuba | okay, youre root now, as you may have realised | 20:02 |
sandraqu | yes | 20:02 |
nuba | heh | 20:02 |
nuba | so, unpack the macro | 20:03 |
sandraqu | now. i have the pm downloaded locally | 20:03 |
nuba | under /data/WeGUI/ | 20:03 |
nuba | if it was nicely packaged | 20:03 |
sandraqu | is there an address i can type in the shell prompt to drag the pm from the bazaar into here? | 20:03 |
nuba | it will extract something under /data/WebGUI/docs | 20:03 |
nuba | for you to read | 20:03 |
nuba | and it will extract the macro itself to /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro | 20:04 |
nuba | its the .pm file | 20:04 |
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nuba | if you need to install any additional modules, it should be saying so in the docs that came with it | 20:05 |
nuba | otherwise you may peruse the .pm file yourself and use CPAN to install the modules | 20:05 |
nuba | or just try to use it and see what error messages it'll spill out | 20:05 |
nuba | and a crash-and-learn adept im guessing youll go with choice #3 | 20:05 |
sandraqu | nuba. ok. lemme try all those things | 20:06 |
sandraqu | :] | 20:06 |
sandraqu | i'll be back | 20:06 |
SDuensin | We'll be here. | 20:06 |
nuba | I might not be around, but im sure SDuensin will love to hint you in the proper path again, if needed ;D | 20:07 |
nuba | right, SDuensin ? | 20:07 |
SDuensin | Oh sure, run off and leave me. | 20:07 |
nuba | LOL | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | ckotil, that bug has already been fixed. Check the bug board or changelog for which release it is fixed in. | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | well, a bug that sounds like that has been fixed. | 20:09 |
sandraqu | hello - is there a way to copy the pm from my local machine onto the server via SSH? | 20:09 |
nuba | scp file.pm me@remote.box.com:/path/there/ | 20:10 |
@preaction | sandraqu: yes. man scp | 20:10 |
sandraqu | is there another way? | 20:11 |
nuba | why dont you download it there? | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | sandraqu, it totally depends on the software installed on both machines | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | are you working with windows as your desktop? | 20:12 |
nuba | instead of downloadin in your box and then having to figure out how to send it upstream? | 20:12 |
sandraqu | perlD - windows right now | 20:12 |
SDuensin | Might I add...Eww. :-) | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | sandraqu, nuba is right. It would be easier to download it right to the server. | 20:13 |
nuba | putty has a scp thingy but its not very friendly | 20:13 |
sandraqu | hey - i'd much rather be on my Mac | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | find the URL for downloading the macro that you want to install | 20:13 |
nuba | do a wget http://url.here/foo.tar.gz | 20:13 |
@preaction | windows has a GUI called "winscp" | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | exactly | 20:13 |
sandraqu | nuba.. k | 20:13 |
SDuensin | I gotta have Cygwin loaded if I'm in Windows. | 20:14 |
sandraqu | pre - lemme try wget | 20:14 |
sandraqu | Cygwin is good | 20:14 |
nuba | if you dont have wget, try 'curl -O http://etc.etc./file.tgz' | 20:14 |
nuba | ascii: my preferred SCP client on win32 is SSH.com's, but Im not finding it for download in their website anymore. | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | in perl, what binds tighter, parentheses, or logical OR ? | 20:16 |
nuba | perlDreamer: youre asking for who has precedence? | 20:17 |
ckotil | perlDreamer: ah, thanks | 20:17 |
+perlDreamer | sure, like if I said return (this && that) || other | 20:17 |
nuba | parentheses are always used to override default operator precedence | 20:17 |
@preaction | it would return 1 || other depending on this && that | 20:18 |
sandraqu | nuba - wget did the trick | 20:18 |
sandraqu | be back | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, and not (return 1) || other | 20:18 |
@preaction | it's possible it could return that || other | 20:18 |
@preaction | oh, dunno | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like more testing is in order | 20:19 |
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nuba | bbiaw | 20:22 |
sandraqu | hello, | 20:26 |
sandraqu | so i have the pm in the pm directory | 20:26 |
sandraqu | now, i nkow i have to add it to some other file | 20:26 |
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+perlDreamer | sandraqu, is the macro.pm file in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/ ? | 20:28 |
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sandraqu | yes | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | okay, next check the permissions on the file. | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | it should have the same permissions as the other files in that directory | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise the web server won't be able to open it | 20:30 |
sandraqu | same as most other | 20:30 |
sandraqu | mostly read, unless owner | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | okay, the next thing to do then, is to edit the webgui config file | 20:30 |
sandraqu | ah | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | it will be in /data/WebGUI/etc/ | 20:31 |
sandraqu | | 20:31 |
sandraqu | how many layers out is the from where i was? | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | is this server using the WRE? | 20:33 |
sandraqu | perl... dunno | 20:33 |
sandraqu | what is WRE? | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | do you have a directory called /data/wre ? | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | WRE is the WebGUI Runtime Environment | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | If you're using a plain black server, it is highly likely that you are | 20:34 |
sandraqu | we are, so let's presume, yes | 20:34 |
+perlDreamer | well, we can check by looking to see if you have that directory I mentioned above | 20:34 |
sandraqu | perl, i do. i went tinot data/webGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro | 20:35 |
sandraqu | i went out too far though | 20:35 |
sandraqu | i'll begin again | 20:35 |
sandraqu | or - how can i print where i am? | 20:35 |
sandraqu | print directory | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | try doing ls -ld /data/wre and see what it says | 20:36 |
sandraqu | got its listing | 20:36 |
sandraqu | one | 20:36 |
sandraqu | only one, that is | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | good, that's what we told it to do | 20:36 |
sandraqu | so im in /data/WebGUI | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | cd etc | 20:37 |
sandraqu | oh | 20:37 |
sandraqu | oh.. good | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | inside there should be your webgui config files | 20:38 |
sandraqu | good | 20:38 |
sandraqu | yes | 20:38 |
sandraqu | vi config file? | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | you know vi. That is very good. | 20:38 |
sandraqu | perlD, enough :] | 20:38 |
sandraqu | i mean, i know it well enough | 20:39 |
sandraqu | i see, so under macros | 20:40 |
sandraqu | brb | 20:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8808 /experimental/Automat/ (5 files in 3 dirs): mail server management | 20:41 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8809 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (23 files in 2 dirs): a little cleanup in aisle 4 | 20:41 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8810 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (updatedns.pl createdns.pl): forgot to add these scripts | 20:41 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8811 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: removed legacy code | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | just add an entry, like the others, for your new macro | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | be sure to put a comment at the end, unless it is the last macro in the list | 20:42 |
sandraqu | perlD - the first part is the call i make from webGUI? and the latter the actual pm filename (sans the pm). yes? | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | you should see the one for the gateway macro | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | as an example | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | "/" : "Slash_gatewayUrl", | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | so perhaps like this: | 20:44 |
sandraqu | :wq ? | 20:44 |
sandraqu | write quite | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | when you're done, yes | 20:44 |
sandraqu | do i get to test now? | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | no | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | now you have to restart the server | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | for that, you need root permissions | 20:44 |
sandraqu | hmm | 20:45 |
sandraqu | i have | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | okay, first: cd /data/wre/sbin | 20:45 |
sandraqu | i thnk i willnow defer to plainblack | 20:45 |
sandraqu | the server drives many sites | 20:45 |
sandraqu | perlD, what does sbin do? | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | inside sbin is an environment script which will guarantee you're using the WRE components, instead of the system defaults | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | as root, you should do: . ./setupEnvironment.sh | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | that's <dot> <space> <dot> <slash> setupEnvironment.sh | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | and then you can run a script which will restart the servers | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | but I agree that deferring to the experts is much safer and wiser | 20:48 |
sandraqu | perlD. thank you for sharing your knowledge with me | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome, sandraqu. | 20:49 |
sandraqu | thanks to nuba too | 20:49 |
sandraqu | and SDuensin | 20:49 |
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sandraqu | no crash yet. lots o learn :] | 20:49 |
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sduensin | Oops. Wrong button! | 20:57 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Yay for Paranoid::Debug freak'n me out and making me rush to see if my machine had just been turned into a smtp proxy. | 21:06 |
+perlDreamer | awfully selfish of you not wanting to share your machine ;) | 21:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | awful paranoid of me to see a bunch of emails from my machine at the same time I'm trying to install a debugging module. | 21:13 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that wre 8.5 isn't compatiable with 7.3.17. | 21:14 |
apeiron | hi, JSON 2.0 | 21:15 |
sduensin | 8.5 is from the FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTURE! | 21:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | apeiron: yeah, nothing made me happier than to look into my logs and get a fun dose of the past with those neat-o JSON errors. | 21:15 |
apeiron | perlmonkey2, I'm pretty sure there's a wiki page somewhere on how to get them to coexist... | 21:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, I probably remember off the top of my head. Just more fun to bitch about it here. | 21:16 |
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nuba | back | 21:55 |
@Haarg | perlmonkey2, if you have to deal with old versions of webgui, i would recommend using the Parse::PlainConfig off backpan instead of from cpan | 22:03 |
@Haarg | there is a way to get the new JSON to play nice with the old code, but it only works to a certain extent | 22:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: 8.1 with a few force installs made things easier. | 22:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | And I really don't need it to work well. Just work well enough that I can run upgrades against it. | 22:05 |
@Haarg | yeah | 22:05 |
@Haarg | i just didn't have a lot of luck with Paranoid | 22:05 |
@Haarg | for json, doing something like sub JSON::autoconv { return shift } sub JSON::skipinvalid { return shift } in preload.perl or similar may be enough to get old code working with JSON 2.0 | 22:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm | 22:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | interesting | 22:08 |
Bernd_ | Any German native speaker online? | 22:09 |
Bernd_ | I do have a translation question. | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: Aren't you a native german speaker? | 22:14 |
Bernd_ | Yes!!! But still I am unable to come up with an appropriate translation for "tags". | 22:15 |
Bernd_ | Is it synonymous with "keywords"? | 22:15 |
Bernd_ | What's your opinion, perlDreamer? | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: tag in the context of "version tag", for example? | 22:16 |
Bernd_ | No, tags for photos in the gallery. | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | in that context, I think keywords is appropriate | 22:17 |
Bernd_ | Good. "Keyword" I am able to translate. Thanks! | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | as to the other usage, what do you call the pieces of paper on clothing that lists the price? | 22:18 |
Bernd_ | Etikett? | 22:19 |
Bernd_ | Preisschild? | 22:19 |
Bernd_ | Etikett might do as well. | 22:19 |
+perlDreamer | version tag would have that kind of context | 22:19 |
Bernd_ | But I think it is rather unusual and what confuse most users. | 22:19 |
+perlDreamer | something descriptive stuck onto something else | 22:19 |
Bernd_ | would | 22:19 |
Bernd_ | I think you got me wrong. I know what a tag is. | 22:20 |
+perlDreamer | oh, sorry | 22:21 |
Bernd_ | I just think there is no equivalent word in the context of tagging photos. | 22:21 |
Bernd_ | No problem. | 22:21 |
Bernd_ | It is an honor to be taught by perlDreamer ;-) | 22:21 |
+perlDreamer | thanks :) | 22:21 |
Bernd_ | You are welcome! | 22:21 |
Bernd_ | How is hacking going? | 22:21 |
+perlDreamer | it's going okay | 22:26 |
+perlDreamer | I'm staying very busy | 22:26 |
+perlDreamer | fixing bugs, and writing tests for the Survey | 22:26 |
Bernd_ | Leave something to the others :-P | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | unfortunately, there are no lack of bugs to be fixed, or tests to be written | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | although, perlmonkey2 is making it very hard to find bugs in his code | 22:28 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah right | 22:28 |
@preaction | that jerk | 22:28 |
@preaction | he should make more bugs so they're easier to find | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 22:28 |
Bernd_ | Ugh, for a moment I was worried that plain black would run out of work ... | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | uh, no. They still have other coders to insert bugs. | 22:29 |
Bernd_ | Are they doing it on purpose? | 22:29 |
Bernd_ | Because I suspect so! | 22:29 |
Bernd_ | Or why are there so many? | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | partially due to the Bazaar, and the Helpdesk applications | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | they are very new, and people really like to use them | 22:30 |
Bernd_ | The HelpDesk is indeed buggy. | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | it should get a little better today. I fixed a bug in some of the core code that it uses. | 22:31 |
Bernd_ | Or was at least. | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | so at least it will format comments nicely | 22:32 |
Bernd_ | Will I be able to open bug views again? | 22:32 |
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Bernd_ | Cool, did you include some link-recognition? | 22:32 |
Bernd_ | I had suggested that to rizen already. | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | No, but it will handle newlines, and escape unsafe characters | 22:33 |
Bernd_ | There is a CPAN module for doing that. | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | link recognition would be a nice feature, but that would be an RFE | 22:33 |
Bernd_ | Should not be too difficult. | 22:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: in the upgrades, the site I'm upgrading is using latin1 as table encoding and collation. I should switch that to utf8, right? | 22:33 |
Bernd_ | And would be very helpful indeed. | 22:33 |
@Haarg | in the upgrades? | 22:33 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: the special upgrade I'm doing. | 22:33 |
topsub | can asset proxy's be relative? | 22:34 |
@Haarg | the 7.5 upgrade should handle that | 22:34 |
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SDuensin | BACK AT LAST! | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: please give commit 8813 a quick once over and let me know if that refactor is okay? | 22:50 |
@perlmonkey2 | k | 22:50 |
@preaction | topsub: no | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8813 | 22:50 |
@preaction | topsub: but you can do: ^AssetProxy(<tmpl_var url>/something); | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | topsub, but since url's are strings, you can use macros to build relative urls | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | also, see the RootUrl macro in the Bazaar | 22:51 |
topsub | ah, alright we are running multi sites from 1 webgui and looking at how to solve each site having different theme | 22:52 |
topsub | without having to redo the URLs everytime you want to setup a new site with a theme | 22:52 |
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+perlDreamer | It may be dangerous to hack while in a recliner | 23:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | preaction: looks good, but I thought I was using the correct perltidy template. Did you correct those by hand or with perltidy? | 23:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | perltidy config I mean | 23:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I mean, not preaction | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | The correction is inside a test. Your code looks fine | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | I needed less vertical space | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | so i could see the whole data strucutre | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | on 1 page | 23:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: this seemed interesting though: my @types = $self->getValidQuestionTypes(); | 23:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | Just trying to prettify things? | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | well, sort of =) | 23:07 |
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+perlDreamer | I didn't want to duplicate the list of valid question types | 23:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh, good call. | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | so by refactoring it out, I can call it in the test to get the list | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | although, I did do all the basic data types by hand, so going forward changes have to be made in both places. | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | I don't really like doing that, but it's a great reminder to update template variables and the like | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | when the code behind them change | 23:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | maybe if this thing every gets settled down, the questions can be pulled out into Form and then the Form entries can have their individual templates and JS attached to them. Would be nice to pull all that logic out of the Survey. | 23:09 |
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+perlDreamer | would we reuse it elsewhere? | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | and the corresponding parts of the updateQuestionAnswers depends on those | 23:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I can see the ajax'd form types being pulled out of the survey and being very useful elsewhere. | 23:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | but there would have to be be some surrounding framework devised. Sounds like something that needs to be grown iteratively rather than designed. | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | I see | 23:13 |
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@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I don't know, am I wrong? Is there already an agreed upon framework for implementing ajax'd forms? | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | No, there's no framework yet. I was responding to the evolved vs designed idea. | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | I like it | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | sometimes things can be overdesigned | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | or not extensible enough | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: the bummer about Plain Black shirts is that they don't hide pumpkin soup stains | 23:30 |
@rizen | do any shirts hide pumpkin soup stains? | 23:30 |
SDuensin | Orange ones. | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | some plaids do well | 23:31 |
SDuensin | Tie-dye! | 23:31 |
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@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: why would anyone waste a perfectly good pumpkin on soup? Is there such a plethora of pumpkin pie, that you would squander them on soup? Sir, I think not. | 23:38 |
SDuensin | perlmonkey2, we're talking about rizen here. | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | You'll have to convince Koen and my wife of that. I am only a consumer of locally, produced, freely available food here :) | 23:38 |
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@rizen | given the choice between pie and soup, i take pie every day of the week | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | chicken noodle pie, mmmmmm | 23:41 |
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@preaction | two questions for those at home: | 00:32 |
@preaction | 1) Would storing prepared SQL statements so they don't have to be prepared ever again during the current request count as "caching" and should "disableCache" disable this functionality? | 00:32 |
@preaction | 2) Is a performance increase that is only significant when caching is disabled still a performance increase? It's in WebGUI::SQL::buildArray and WebGUI::SQL::buildArrayRef | 00:33 |
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+perlDreamer | I don't see any performance increase in buildArray | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | or buildArrayRef | 00:39 |
@preaction | it's not committed yet | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | if it slows wG down overall, it doesn't seem like an increase to me | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | the common case is with caching? | 00:39 |
@preaction | it doesn't, in speeds up wg overall, but just slightly | 00:39 |
@preaction | when caching is off you see the real benefit | 00:39 |
@preaction | otherwise the new code rarely gets hit | 00:40 |
@preaction | because there are caching mechanisms in front of it | 00:40 |
@preaction | for a single page view, it's a 1/3 performance increase (60s to 40s) | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | 40 second page view? | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | no way | 00:41 |
@preaction | for the routines themselves, it's a 2fold increase | 00:41 |
@preaction | caching is disabled | 00:41 |
@preaction | you'd be surprised how slow wg is with caching disabled | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think that storing statements counts as caching | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | since it would return different data with different params, or at different times | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | and does all this code have tests? and will it violate the 7.6 feature freeze? | 00:42 |
@preaction | it's deep in WebGUI::SQL, so i suspect it has tests, if not i'll have to do it | 00:43 |
@preaction | no, performance increases aren't features | 00:43 |
@preaction | the API isn't changing at all, just how the work gets done | 00:43 |
* perlDreamer pastes that one for future reference ;) | 00:43 |
@preaction | it depends on how the performance is getting increased | 00:44 |
@preaction | if i started moving features around and changing APIs and stuff, then i would consider making it beta for a while | 00:44 |
@preaction | especially if i was working with untested stuff | 00:44 |
@preaction | i really need to get Coverage reports working. JT says he'll write tests if he can see a number | 00:45 |
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+perlDreamer | if you're tied for time, just send me the script | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | coverage tests should be about 20 characters of change or so | 00:47 |
@preaction | one sec | 00:47 |
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+perlDreamer | but be warned, coverage tests for all of wG will be BIG and SLOW | 00:47 |
@preaction | how big? too big to upload via WWW::Mechanize? | 00:48 |
@preaction | i was thinking making it a ZipArchive asset | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | 12 Mb | 00:48 |
@preaction | ha, the test box is DOWN, which might be why tests aren't getting run | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | look in the dev list, I may have uploaded a copy last year about this time | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | zipped, about 12 Mb. | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: strongly resisting the temptation to add easter eggs to survey type answers | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | Would redneck come before or after conservative in Ideology? | 00:50 |
@preaction | i would consider them equal and awful | 00:50 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: you have a login to my systems | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | PM me a hostname, username and passwd, please | 00:50 |
apeiron | redneck is more a lifestyle, independent of ideology. | 00:51 |
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+perlDreamer | Do people who send out SPAM know they're scum, or are they just ignorant? | 02:47 |
@preaction | money, they get money, so they're okay with themselves | 02:50 |
@preaction | i've thought about it | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | really? | 02:50 |
@preaction | money for nothing, sure why not? | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | well, then you'd get the chicks for free | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | that ain't working | 02:54 |
@preaction | that's the way you do it! | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 02:54 |
@preaction | I WANT MY EMPTY-VEE | 02:54 |
@preaction | i also want pandora to stop screwing around | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | pandora? | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | she opened the box | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | what more do you want? | 02:55 |
@preaction | www.pandora.com <- only the greatest free music service EVAR | 02:55 |
+Radix-wrk | last.fm? | 02:56 |
@preaction | paltry in comparison! | 02:56 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: SurveyJSON has 96% test coverage | 02:56 |
+Radix-wrk | pandora.com goes to a blank page for me | 02:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: all the rednecks are covered? | 02:56 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 02:57 |
@preaction | Radix-wrk: pandora seems down atm, it will come up shortly i suspect | 02:59 |
+Radix-wrk | must be reeeallly good then if they can't even keep a server up ;) | 02:59 |
@preaction | yay! it's back up! | 03:04 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: Devel::Cover is installed on the test box now. the date was completely wrong which was causing the makefile to get regenerated | 03:04 |
apeiron | preaction, You forget that those outside of the US may not be able to access it. | 03:04 |
@preaction | it thought it was March 05, 08 | 03:04 |
+perlDreamer | March was good | 03:05 |
* apeiron shakes fist and spits at the RIAA | 03:05 |
+perlDreamer | I was employed then | 03:05 |
@preaction | apeiron: i hope not | 03:05 |
@preaction | it's got a lot of foreign music on it | 03:05 |
apeiron | preaction, No, it's certainly true. | 03:05 |
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patspam | would one of the PB folks be able to create a survey-rfe branch where we can put new survey features until the feature freeze is lifted? | 04:42 |
patspam | actually, the WebGUI_Survey2 branch still exists, maybe we should just use that? | 04:43 |
@preaction | patspam: you have committer access, you can just: svn mkdir https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/Patbranch | 04:43 |
patspam | ah cool, thanks preaction | 04:44 |
patspam | good/bad idea to hijack the WebGUI_Survey2? I don't think it's being used any more by perlmonkey2? | 04:45 |
@preaction | if he's not using it he should probably delete it, just for the history's sake | 04:48 |
patspam | ok, cool. I'll create a new branch for the new stuff | 04:48 |
patspam | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/survey-rfe lives! | 04:56 |
patspam | perlmonkey2: ping | 05:00 |
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@perlmonkey2 | patspam: pong | 05:59 |
patspam | hey man! | 06:00 |
+perlDreamer | I'm out for a while, being Daddy dentist... | 06:00 |
patspam | been talking to people today about advanced survey branching | 06:01 |
patspam | just drafting up an rfe for it now | 06:01 |
@perlmonkey2 | anything interesting? | 06:01 |
patspam | yeah, although you might have already thought of this | 06:01 |
patspam | we want to let the survey creator enter an expression made up of section/question/answer vars to define the branch condition | 06:02 |
patspam | using a simple DSL, such as something similar to the language used in spreadsheet programs | 06:03 |
patspam | that was you can easily do branching based on the value of ANY previous response, sums, averages, you name it.. | 06:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | yeah, that had been something thrown around. But really only thought about it in the next iteration. | 06:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | exactly. would be great stuff. | 06:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | not hard to do. | 06:04 |
patspam | yeah, it's similar to what i did for Flux (arbitrary expressions for combining expressions) | 06:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | probably could be squeezed into this one easily enough. But I'm not sure what you mean about Sections though. | 06:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | Sections don't have values unless you mean the set of questions in them. | 06:04 |
patspam | except the dsl needs to be more expressive so that you can do simple math things | 06:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm. | 06:04 |
@perlmonkey2 | actually, that could be really easy. But what about multiple branches of logic. if,elseif, else. | 06:05 |
patspam | yeah, i was thinking it'd be nice if you could pass a section variable into things like AVG() and SUM() and it'd know how to hande em | 06:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | I like it. | 06:05 |
patspam | my thought was that you'd let people enter in a list of expressions, and the first one to match triggers the branch | 06:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | there a lib that already handles this pidgin language? | 06:05 |
patspam | TARGET1: expression2 | 06:06 |
patspam | TARGET2: expression2 | 06:06 |
patspam | etc.. | 06:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | cool | 06:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | need a popup editor then | 06:06 |
patspam | text area would be fine for the first iteration (at least for our needs) | 06:07 |
patspam | doesn't have to be pretty | 06:07 |
@perlmonkey2 | hah, try to get that passed Steve | 06:07 |
patspam | heh, steve can always be bribed :) | 06:07 |
patspam | yeah I had a quick look on cpan, didn't find anything yet | 06:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | err, past. you know what I meant :P | 06:08 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, well, it should be easy enougn to implement. Maybe add it as a new generic module for WG. | 06:08 |
patspam | for Flux i used a very limited whitelist of what could be entered in an expression, massaged it into valid perl, and then eval'd it | 06:09 |
patspam | that way i got arbitrary boolean expression support for free, unlimited nesting, etc.. | 06:09 |
patspam | but in this case we might want to parse it ourselves | 06:09 |
patspam | unless we make the syntax more perly | 06:10 |
patspam | but i was thinking something like the excel macro language would be the least scary for end users | 06:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | Parse::RecDescent. Then we don't have to use evil evals. | 06:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | create a simple grammar and we're good. | 06:11 |
@perlmonkey2 | could just rip off excel's macro lanauage. or at least a useful subset. | 06:12 |
patspam | or use perl6 grammar/regexps :) | 06:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | hah | 06:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | that would be fun | 06:12 |
@perlmonkey2 | But yeah, that would be really powerful stuff for branching. But it wouldn't look nearly as sexy as it was in the current forms presented to the users. | 06:13 |
patspam | having trouble parsing that last sentence.. | 06:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | Right now, I don't know if people would grok how powerful it was if it was just presented in the edit form as another entry. | 06:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | Eventually it should have its own panel with options and dialogs and fun things for the users to poke at and click on. | 06:15 |
patspam | yeah true | 06:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | maybe a function builder. | 06:16 |
patspam | yep, we can be inspired by Excel there too | 06:16 |
@perlmonkey2 | that would save having to create a grammar | 06:16 |
patspam | you'd still need the grammar, or a whitelist, or something equivalent, because you couldn't trust what the client submits | 06:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | well if it was created in a builder, they wouldn't be able to enter anything not approved. | 06:17 |
@perlmonkey2 | but whatever....those are pretty specific implementation details and we're a ways from that :P | 06:18 |
patspam | I'll have the RFE up in the hour | 06:18 |
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@perlmonkey2 | It's 3pm on a Friday. Is anyone overseas even still working? | 16:05 |
@perlmonkey2 | Or is it beer-thirty yet? | 16:05 |
+BartJol | perlmonkey2: | 16:14 |
+BartJol | still here | 16:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: you are hard core. You absolutely need a raise. | 16:14 |
+BartJol | and working, even though it is Sinterklaas today | 16:14 |
+BartJol | Koen also said something like that | 16:14 |
+BartJol | and who am I to disagree | 16:14 |
@perlmonkey2 | hah :) | 16:15 |
+BartJol | but 3 pm is a fairly normal time to be at work, even on fridays | 16:15 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: That's what The Man wants you to believe. | 16:16 |
+BartJol | now I've got to fix a problem with rewrite rules and workflows | 16:16 |
+BartJol | ah :) | 16:16 |
+BartJol | joeri, martin and rory are also still working | 16:19 |
+BartJol | I think Koen too | 16:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | Wow, and on a major holiday. You guys are animals. | 16:19 |
@perlmonkey2 | Killing the competition. | 16:19 |
+BartJol | but my mouth is suffering from a lack of beer, it feels the weekend coming, just a few hours | 16:21 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: stay strong Bart, stay strong. | 16:23 |
+BartJol | :) I'll try, but it seems that this weekend is gonna be work related too :( | 16:24 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 17:09 |
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Lisett1 | if I'm doing a paydriver with another entity through which it would post the url return to WebGUI? would be the same in the store or do I have to put parameters? and from that subroutine should take the values of the parameters that are sending me? | 17:48 |
+BartJol | perlmonkey2: it's getting better, I have a beer | 17:53 |
SDuensin | BEER! | 17:53 |
* SDuensin only has tea so far. | 17:53 |
+BartJol | yes | 17:53 |
SDuensin | #include <beer.h> | 17:53 |
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SDuensin | Oh wait. That language may scare people here. | 17:53 |
+BartJol | but with a # it's commented, that's useless | 17:54 |
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SDuensin | Yea, in your little Perl language. :-P | 17:54 |
+BartJol | Larry Larry Larry! | 17:55 |
SDuensin | :-D | 17:55 |
+BartJol | Lisett1: sorry I can't help you | 17:55 |
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jeffthewookiee | Frank you here? | 18:08 |
@khenn | yessir | 18:09 |
jeffthewookiee | Npinansky is working with me | 18:09 |
jeffthewookiee | We were asking if there's an API to check the status of a workflow and the completion time... | 18:09 |
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Lisett1 | anyone have an idea? | 18:16 |
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@khenn | Lisett1: I'm not sure I understand the problem. I'm not very familiar with shop. you may need to wait for rizen or perlDreamer to pop into the channel | 18:24 |
Lisett1 | ok, i wait, thanks | 18:30 |
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+perlDreamer | morning folks | 18:53 |
SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer | 18:53 |
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Lisett1 | if I'm doing a paydriver with another entity through which it would post the url return to WebGUI? would be the same in the store or do I have to put parameters? and from that subroutine should take the values of the parameters that are sending me? | 18:58 |
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+perlDreamer | When I run Firebug and try to edit any asset, it gives me an error | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | YAHOO.util.Easing is undefined | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | should I add a call to the container in individual form elements that use it, or to getEditForm? | 19:17 |
SDuensin | Ooof. Loading IE6 has angered the Macintosh. | 19:21 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, as far as i know, that error doesn't matter | 19:25 |
@Haarg | it's in yui, and inside a try block | 19:25 |
@Haarg | to catch the error | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | it prevents text resizing from working | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | when I tell it to use animation.js, the error goes away and the resizing starts working again | 19:26 |
@Haarg | resizing on what type of text box? | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | textarea and htmlareas | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | this is in 7.5 | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to try 7.6 now | 19:26 |
@Haarg | htmlareas have their own resize code so it shouldn't effect that | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | oh, I think I understand now | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | Firebug stopped on the error, even though it was in a try block | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | and I didn't tell it to keep going | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | so no resizing | 19:30 |
@Haarg | you are using the debugger? | 19:30 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8827 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Document that canAdd is a class method | 19:30 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8828 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Fix resizing in textareas. | 19:31 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8829 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: canAdd is a class method | 19:31 |
@Haarg | bleh. that code editor needs some work | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | I was using the debugger. There's something funny happening with the Insert WebGUI Image plugin. | 19:32 |
@Haarg | there a bug report for it? | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9235 | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | It even came with complete instructions for dupicating the bug | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | The one thing he left out, was that after doing the insert, it will show up in the RTE. But after you save it, it goes away. | 19:33 |
@Haarg | i think it's the border | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | I'll look into that. | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | in the meantime, y'all can look at my business website and chortle | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | http://web538.plainblack.net/home | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | soon to be www.perldreamerconsulting.com | 19:42 |
+perlDreamer | It needs a lot more work and removal of default content | 19:42 |
@Haarg | it's the quotes | 19:42 |
@Haarg | www/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wginsertimage/js/insertimage.js | 19:42 |
@Haarg | creates an image tag with mismatched quotes | 19:42 |
@Haarg | border="5' etc | 19:42 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg. How did you do that so fast? | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | Is it just practice? | 19:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I hope you already grabbed the domain | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | I did | 19:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | if it gets enough hits, godaddy will just grab it. | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | just need the DNS info to feed back into godaddy | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, after fixing the border quotes to use double quotes, i get this js console error | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | String contains an invalid character" code: "5 | 19:58 |
snapcount | perlDreamer: any interest in webgui.us? | 20:04 |
snapcount | or anyone for that matter | 20:05 |
snapcount | I'm to lazy to actually use it for anything | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | One business website and 1.2x full time consulting is keeping me pretty busy. | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | nm, browser caching of scripts sucks | 20:11 |
snapcount | are you still working at the chip manufacturing place too? | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | No, I got laid off | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | I'm a freelancer now | 20:11 |
snapcount | well sorry to hear that and congrats at the same time =) | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | thanks. | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | I hear that people can have post-hardware careers in software :) | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 20:12 |
snapcount | cool that you get to hack full time now | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | it is nice | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | I like working from home | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | as long as I don't turn on the TV, it works really well | 20:31 |
SDuensin | Me too. Gets kinda lonely though. | 20:31 |
SDuensin | I've been allowing myself a TV break at lunch to keep from going nuts. | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | for now, hanging out on IRC helps a lot. | 20:32 |
SDuensin | And tunes. Podcasts. | 20:32 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8830 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix quoting problems in webgui tinymce image plug-in | 20:46 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, did you figure out the problem? | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | yes, client side script caching | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'd fix it on the server, then wouldn't see changes in the browser | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'm adding a firefox extension for a clear cache button in the toolbar to help with that. | 20:56 |
@Haarg | to track it down, i looked at the tag that was inserted in the editor using firebug. it had an attribute 5="", which i figured meant something was malformed with the html it was trying to insert. | 20:58 |
+perlDreamer | I need to learn how to use firebug better, but that will come with time. | 20:58 |
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* perlDreamer goes to pick up his pick-up | 21:08 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8831 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix quoting problems in webgui tinymce image plug-in | 21:33 |
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+perlDreamer | how many hours does it take for a DNS change to ripple out? | 22:53 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: depends on the TTL and other factors, could be 20M could be 6H | 22:53 |
@preaction | usually it shouldn't be that long | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | I'll be patient | 22:53 |
apeiron | Most places I've seen say to wait 24 hours. | 22:55 |
apeiron | perlDreamer, FWIW, I can resolve the name to 67.19.67.50 presently. | 22:56 |
apeiron | perlDreamer, May be your system's cache or your ISP's cache. | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | probably | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | it should be a 207 address | 22:57 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8832 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed a major bug where switching objects out from underneath could cause all kinds of chaos | 23:18 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: You're not making this survey rfe easy... | 23:19 |
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+perlDreamer | cap10morgan, I looked at your bug. | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | Shouldn't there be some notice that a singleton clashes? I mean, how do you tell the difference between "hurried" workflows, and stuck workflows? | 23:31 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: which one? | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | RTEs into the survey | 23:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | I don't think you have coverage on if the survey has timed out. | 23:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | Patrick's "fix" looks like it broke it. | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | Uh oh | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | there's 0% coverage on Survey.pm right now | 23:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh | 23:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | well this would be in Response | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | there's 96% coverage in SurveyJSON | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | ResponseJSON would be next :) | 23:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | ->hasTimedOut | 23:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh, well there you go :) | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | You want a quick test for that one? | 23:43 |
+cap10morgan | perlDreamer: yes, some indication would be good. but not an error. currently it returns undef, which the cron system, for example, interprets as "uh oh! something bad happened!" | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | gotcha, cap10morgan | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | and for everyone in channel, a piece of hard learned advice | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | Don't use Clone with perl 5.10 | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't work, randomly | 23:45 |
@Haarg | fun | 23:45 |
nuba | are we upped to 5.10 on webgui already? | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | not unless you're doing a source install, nuba | 23:46 |
nuba | k | 23:46 |
@perlmonkey2 | isn't the new wre supposed to be 5.10? | 23:46 |
@Haarg | that's the plan | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | is it? I wouldn't recommend it. | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | There are modules we use that use Clone | 23:46 |
@Haarg | but we won't have 5.10 a prereq until 8.0 at least | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 23:47 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: clone is cheesy anyways. Objects should be able to return a blessed copy of themselves if that is needed. | 23:47 |
@Haarg | objects maybe | 23:47 |
@Haarg | but what about data structures? | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah, especially large survey based data structures from JSON? | 23:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | there are none | 23:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | they are objects | 23:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | you never operate directly on JSON | 23:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | one you can only use the JSON as blessed objects | 23:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | one? why did I start that with "one"? | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | so getObject, newObject, copy and so on return blessed objects? | 23:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | hold up | 23:49 |
@perlmonkey2 | well those aren't from JSON. And can't they call be copied safely with %copy = %{$ref}; ? | 23:51 |
@Haarg | somewhat | 23:51 |
@Haarg | that only copies one level though | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, not deeply | 23:51 |
@perlmonkey2 | hmm, do those contain references...yes they will | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | you would not believe how many WebGUI bugs have been about deep reference copies handled poorly | 23:52 |
@perlmonkey2 | bah, I should have stuck with the original model of everything an object. | 23:52 |
Lisett1 | how to get the values of parameters on the other website send me? | 23:52 |
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+perlDreamer | Lisett1: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Form | 23:53 |
Lisett1 | i'm going to see, thanks | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, it would have been slower, but would have copied easier since each object would handle its own copying | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | that's not a bad tradeoff since copying is rare compared to instanciation | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | okay, more js help, please | 23:55 |
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+perlDreamer | why is this line important to the RichEditor/HTMLArea: element.value = element.value.replace(/-/mg,"-"); | 23:55 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: perhaps because those are two different unicode characters that look the same? | 23:56 |
Lisett1 | where find an example? | 23:56 |
@Haarg | what file pD? | 23:56 |
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@preaction | Lisett1: everywhere you see session->form->process or session->form->get | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | Lisett1: just grep for session->form->process | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, trying to shoehorn a richeditor into the survey for an rfe | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | the HTMLArea form control does that | 23:57 |
Lisett1 | process??? is not with paramsHashRef? | 23:57 |
@preaction | Lisett1: you could use either. two ways to do the same thing. try it and see perhaps? | 23:58 |
Lisett1 | thanks, perDreamer | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | I gotta go pick up the kids from school. Kathy's delivering a baby today. bbiaw | 00:00 |
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@Haarg | i have no good explanation for that line perlDreamer | 00:04 |
@Haarg | it's very old | 00:04 |
@Haarg | 2004 | 00:05 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8833 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Fixed hasTimeLimit to work with the new storage location of the time limit. | 00:11 |
Lisett1 | how to do to say the url to session->form of which i want to get the parameters? | 00:39 |
Lisett1 | new? | 00:40 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, I traced it back to svn rev 3 and stopped there, so yeah, it's way old ;) | 01:07 |
@Haarg | i looked at the actual commit it was introduced | 01:07 |
@Haarg | and nothing about the other things added help explain it | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | that's right, you pulled in the old CVS history into your git repo, didn't you. | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | well, in any case, I need to get the Survey to load that file so the rich editor can call it | 01:11 |
@Haarg | yeah | 01:11 |
@Haarg | i'd almost prefer to remove it | 01:11 |
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+perlDreamer | it works for me, but we should probably ask someone like rizen or khenn before doing it | 01:19 |
@khenn | I have no idea | 01:20 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8834 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js: When an edit is submitted the edit screen no longer shows up | 01:41 |
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WebGUI | good night all | 02:02 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8835 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: terminal sections now work correctly | 02:09 |
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+perlDreamer | go perlmonkey2, go! | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI: Has the new product hit the floor yet? | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, just so you know, I'll be doing some POD commits to ResponseJSON | 02:25 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8836 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 02:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Update SurveyJSON POD for the new method. | 02:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add legal and header POD for ResponseJSON. | 02:40 |
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@perlmonkey2 | patspam: you around? | 17:03 |
@perlmonkey2 | oh, 2am, probably not | 17:04 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Now that the Survey is inside a style, is it incredibly slow for anyone else? | 17:43 |
daviddelikat | any body know how to use the 'wgd' tool? | 18:24 |
daviddelikat | I'm trying to reset my install and I get an undefined subroutine | 18:25 |
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@preaction | daviddelikat: i suspect the only person who really knows how to use it is Haarg and he's not here | 22:16 |
daviddelikat | thanks | 23:06 |
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SDuensin | Anybody know if you can allow the user to enter a "size" in the store? Building a jewelry site and all the rings need sizes entered. | 23:41 |
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@preaction | SDuensin: i think "size" was supposed to be some sort of a variant property | 00:04 |
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SDuensin | Was supposed to be? Hmm. | 00:05 |
@preaction | iow you add a variant for the size | 00:34 |
SDuensin | Yea, but that's gonna take a craptastic amount of 'em. | 00:36 |
@preaction | there's no way to add arbitrary data to a product? | 00:37 |
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SDuensin | I don't see a way to allow the shopper to enter data about a product. If that makes sense. | 00:50 |
@preaction | oh, you want the shopper to be able to enter what size they want | 00:51 |
SDuensin | Sizes can be from like 5 to 16 in half-size increments. That's a crapload of variants. Especially if there are already four styles in each size. | 00:51 |
@preaction | i believe there may have been something added to the Cart, some sort of comments field | 00:54 |
@preaction | but i'm thinking that a feature that would allow a shopper to enter details per-item would be a good idea | 00:54 |
nuba | ive shopped for jewelry online. that usually appears in a drop-down menu, and the sizes available vary from a product to another. ie. this ring is only available at this and that size, that other ring is available in the full range from size X to Y, etc. | 00:57 |
nuba | (i dont have a solution for you, im just trying to help with the description) | 00:57 |
SDuensin | nuba - Right, that's kind of what I picture in my head. | 01:11 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8837 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): More Matrix bugfixes | 15:27 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8838 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #9219: Thingy After Save Search This Thing not showing all rows | 19:46 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8839 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #9219: Thingy After Save Search This Thing not showing all rows | 19:46 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8840 /translations/German/German/ (Form_DataTable.pm Asset_Gallery.pm Form_MatrixCompare.pm): Update from translation server | 23:23 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8841 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 23:51 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8842 /translations/German/German/Macro_MiniCart.pm: Update from translation server | 23:51 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8843 /translations/German/German/Friends.pm: Update from translation server | 00:20 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8844 /translations/German/German/Form_DataTable.pm: Update from translation server | 00:20 |
SDuensin | OH NO! | 00:23 |
SDuensin | You gotta be kidding me! | 00:23 |
SDuensin | The quantities for all zillion products I just entered are encoded inside a JSON string in the database?! | 00:24 |
SDuensin | Not exactly an easy way to bulk set that. :-( | 00:24 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8845 /translations/German/German/AuthLDAP.pm: Update from translation server | 00:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8846 /translations/German/German/Asset_RSSFromParent.pm: Update from translation server | 00:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8847 /translations/German/German/Asset_Shelf.pm: Update from translation server | 00:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8848 /translations/German/German/Asset_Sku.pm: Update from translation server | 00:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8849 /translations/German/German/Asset_UserList.pm: Update from translation server | 00:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8850 /translations/German/German/Form_MatrixCompare.pm: Update from translation server | 00:49 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8851 /translations/German/German/Asset_WeatherData.pm: Update from translation server | 01:22 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8852 /translations/German/German/ (AuthWebGUI.pm Asset_WSClient.pm): Update from translation server | 01:22 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8853 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Friends.pm Asset_Shortcut.pm): Update from translation server | 01:22 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8855 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Shop.pm Account_User.pm): Update from translation server | 16:54 |
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SDuensin | Good (panic) Morning. (Panic) Help? | 17:21 |
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SDuensin | Haarg! | 17:39 |
@Haarg | morning | 17:39 |
SDuensin | [09:21] <SDuensin> Good (panic) Morning. (Panic) Help? | 17:39 |
nuba | hey SDuensin, sup? | 17:40 |
SDuensin | I think there's a serious issue in the shopping system. | 17:40 |
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SDuensin | (Loading SQL tables) | 17:41 |
nuba | this? SDuensin> The quantities for all zillion products I just entered are encoded inside a JSON string in the database?! | 17:41 |
SDuensin | Well, that's an annoyance. | 17:41 |
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SDuensin | I went to write a tool to handle that and found that my Product table doesn't seem to have any kind of unique key in it. | 17:41 |
SDuensin | I also have (apparently) bad data in the table already. | 17:41 |
nuba | awwwww.. crap | 17:42 |
nuba | i havent even looked in the general direction of the shopping system yet | 17:42 |
SDuensin | Yea. I have a crapload of products up in a site I'm supposed to have finished already. | 17:42 |
SDuensin | I assume the assetId is supposed to be unique. I've got a lot of duplicates. | 17:43 |
SDuensin | It's almost like when you edit a variant, another entry is created. | 17:45 |
@Haarg | the Product table is just like any other asset table | 17:46 |
@Haarg | assetId + revisionDate are the primary key | 17:46 |
SDuensin | Ok, that leads me to less panic. :-) | 17:47 |
SDuensin | WTF is with that JSON inside the database?! | 17:47 |
SDuensin | Nobody wants to step up and own that one, eh? :-P | 17:51 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8856 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 17:55 |
nuba | huh | 17:56 |
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+perlDreamer | I worked on the TimeField form control over the weekend | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | It's badly broken | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | I'd love to get a review of the changes that I'm proposing | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | any takers? | 18:07 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer! | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | hola, SDuensin :) | 18:07 |
SDuensin | I'm trying to unpanic. Then I can break things. | 18:07 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer, you added the paging to the Shelf for me, right? | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | I believe so. | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | I've fixed a lot of bugs over the last few weeks | 18:08 |
SDuensin | Is there a way to change the page size? Or disable it? | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | this is the new getValue subroutine for timeField: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d214b951f | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, no there isn't. It would be about a 20 minute RFE, though | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | the values are hardcoded inside the paginator, unless some other value is provided | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | although, it could be considered a bug that it's paginated but not configurable | 18:10 |
SDuensin | Maybe I can fix that bug later. It's a deal breaker for something a client has requested. | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | I can't think of anywhere else that we have non-configurable pagination... | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | SQL Report is configurable | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | Post is configurable | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 18:12 |
SDuensin | God my quantity hack is ugly. | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | quantity hack? | 18:15 |
SDuensin | Yes. Follow up to my earlier mini-rant about having JSON inside the database. | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | one more thing about timeField, it all started with this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9063 | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, I agree that having JSON in the db does make hackery more difficult | 18:16 |
SDuensin | I'm gonna say it's a Bad Idea(tm). | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | on the other hand, it made asset collateral quickly and easily versioned, and packagable. | 18:21 |
SDuensin | It's still fugly. | 18:22 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8857 /translations/German/German/Account_Profile.pm: Update from translation server | 18:23 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8858 /translations/German/German/Account_Contributions.pm: Update from translation server | 18:23 |
SDuensin | Grrr. I got my quantities updated, but the site still says everything is out of stock. Guess that's why people should use the API. | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, would you like a little script to start with? | 18:24 |
SDuensin | I'd love one. :-) | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | ok, hang on a few | 18:24 |
SDuensin | Mine apparently creates a mess. | 18:24 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, you want a paste or an email? | 18:29 |
SDuensin | Whatever is easiest. | 18:29 |
SDuensin | scott@jaegertech.com if you want. | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | on its way | 18:31 |
SDuensin | Thank you! | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | give me a holler if you have more questions | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | I wrote the Product | 18:31 |
SDuensin | Oh, I will. | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | well, updated it from old product to Sku | 18:31 |
SDuensin | Gonna keep at the JSON bit. :-) | 18:32 |
SDuensin | Maybe wrap it so all the JSON key/value pairs end up in another table? Then you could at least join tables together to query it. | 18:32 |
SDuensin | Thanks, perlDreamer - hacking away again. :-) | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | only one downside about that script, it does not make a versioned change | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | so make backups, just in case | 18:38 |
SDuensin | No problem. Got a backup. | 18:39 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8859 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol: The Germans are on fire! | 18:54 |
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@perlmonkey2 | heh, squirrel chewed through my cable's insulation. I got tired of waiting for the repair guy, so wrapped it in electrical tape and took some old tin and bent it around the wire as a shield. Back on the internet via Okie-Engineering. | 19:25 |
SDuensin | Nice! | 19:28 |
SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer - never messed with JSON in Perl. What do I do about malformed JSON strings? | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | reform them? :) | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'd need more info to help you | 19:31 |
SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1349bf43 | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | oh, my bad I missed an array deref | 19:33 |
SDuensin | Yea, I got that. But something is making JSON mad. (Or is there another one missed?) | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | line 2 should read foreach my $variant ( @{ $product->getAllCollateral('variantsJSON') } { | 19:34 |
SDuensin | Doesn't my foreach my $item line fix that? | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | yes, but each item of the array is a hashref | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | and it's better written without the extra foreach | 19:35 |
SDuensin | True. | 19:35 |
SDuensin | It's still POed when I try: print "$variant\n\n"; | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | $variant would be a hashref | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | they don't pretty print by default | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | try use Data::Dumper; print Dumper $variant | 19:40 |
SDuensin | Ah yea. Take a dump. :-) | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | I wonder if that's different in perl6 | 19:41 |
SDuensin | I'm running under the WRE on Ubuntu. | 19:42 |
SDuensin | Even with Dumper it barfs on the malformed JSON string. | 19:42 |
SDuensin | Did I mention I didn't like JSON in the database? :-D | 19:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: the problem you mentioned the other day seemed like a pretty good reason to not have JSON. All fine and dandy when the data is being used as designed. But when you need to do some maintenance outside of the defined params, you have to write a small script. | 19:46 |
SDuensin | That problem is still my problem. :-( | 19:47 |
SDuensin | Except now, using the API to access it (thanks to perlDreamer), it's mad because of bad JSON. | 19:47 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: bad JSON you've created, or bad JSON from the DB? The second sounds like a far larger problem. | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, Dumper can't barf on bad JSON | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | it's doesn't care what the data is | 19:49 |
SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - I'm trying to iterate over the products I have defined and set their quantity. | 19:49 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - Tell Dumper that. | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, how about a fresh paste of what you've got | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: wiki bug ping | 19:50 |
SDuensin | Sure. Dumper isn't in it for the moment. | 19:50 |
@tavisto | um. hi | 19:50 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer: RFE asset Hamburgler over. | 19:50 |
SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d1e8f3 | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, I'd like to try and duplicate your wiki page is protected bug. Could you please let me know the URL of a protected page so I can try and hack it with malicious spam? | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, what does Dumper complain about? | 19:52 |
@tavisto | I'll create a new one for you to test on. That will be a good thing for you to be an 3vilHaXoR on | 19:53 |
SDuensin | Well, I assumed it was Dumper. I get the same error. So maybe it's the first access to $variant is making it mad. | 19:53 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: there isn't a call to JSON there. The real error might be in getAllCollateral | 19:54 |
SDuensin | That's my suspicion. | 19:54 |
@perlmonkey2 | probably line 263 of Product. Try wrapping that call in an eval and outputting $@ | 19:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8860 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm): fix isProtected form processing in the wiki page | 19:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8861 /modules/Config-JSON/ (7 files in 3 dirs): | 19:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: v1.3.1 | 19:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: fix: #41525 Cleaning up temporary directory | 19:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Throws a better error message when trying to access an element of an array using a multi-level directive. | 19:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Writes config file directives in alphabetical order for easier human reading. | 19:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Better handling of UTF-8 data in the config file. | 19:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Better version numbers on prereqs. | 19:55 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: but if that call is failing, you probably have something wrong with your JSOn in the DB. | 19:56 |
SDuensin | That's what my (panic) was for earlier. | 19:56 |
@perlmonkey2 | go grab the JSON directly from the DB and write a small little test script that just calls from_json on the pasted string. | 19:57 |
SDuensin | I can do that. | 19:57 |
@perlmonkey2 | you might even be able to eyeball the bad chars. | 19:57 |
SDuensin | I'm going to restore the database just to be good and sure I haven't broken what WebGUI put there. | 19:58 |
SDuensin | Error still exists with the data I *know* was created by WebGUI. | 20:07 |
SDuensin | The only thing I see is that I have a couple entries in the database where the variantsJSON is equal to "[]". | 20:09 |
+perlDreamer | that would mean no variants | 20:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | but you haven't cut and pasted a malformed string from the DB successfully? | 20:10 |
SDuensin | Working on that now. | 20:10 |
@perlmonkey2 | "[]" should be a valid string. | 20:10 |
SDuensin | It is. | 20:14 |
SDuensin | Gonna write something to yank all the JSON from my DB and try to decode it. | 20:14 |
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SDuensin | Ok, now I'm confused. My code parses everything fine. | 20:19 |
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SDuensin | Where is "from_json"? I'm using $json->decode in my test. | 20:22 |
SDuensin | Nevermind. | 20:23 |
SDuensin | Duh. | 20:23 |
SDuensin | Crap. Still works. :-) | 20:23 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: ah | 20:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | j/s | 20:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | from_json flips the utf8=>1 flag | 20:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | I'm pretty sure | 20:24 |
@perlmonkey2 | or maybe I have that backwards | 20:24 |
@preaction | encode / decode is the utf8 one i think | 20:24 |
+perlDreamer | from_json leaves the utf8 flag alone | 20:24 |
SDuensin | Here's the guts of my test script: | 20:25 |
@perlmonkey2 | okay, then that shouldn't be it | 20:25 |
SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7ebc1c7e | 20:25 |
SDuensin | It reads it right from the same database I get the error from. | 20:25 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, please try this and paste the output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1b94cf33 | 20:32 |
SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m547dada7 | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | that JSON subroutine should use croak, so we can see where it's called from | 20:37 |
SDuensin | Would be helpful, wouldn't it? | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 20:37 |
SDuensin | I'd hack it, but this is my live server. | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | new one for you: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d31a52578 | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | let's see the actual JSON itself this time | 20:38 |
SDuensin | Same error bud. | 20:39 |
SDuensin | Doesn't seem to matter what is inside the while loop. | 20:40 |
SDuensin | I put: print "Crap."; | 20:40 |
SDuensin | Still does it. | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's not possible. The class does no JSON processing unless you ask for it | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | there's something else going in | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | on | 20:41 |
SDuensin | I'd say. | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | can you please paste the whole script? | 20:41 |
SDuensin | Trying. | 20:41 |
SDuensin | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m607931c | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | how do you invoke the script? | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | and where do you run it from? | 20:45 |
SDuensin | perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile ut.jaegertech.net.conf | 20:45 |
SDuensin | From /data/WebGUI/sbin | 20:45 |
SDuensin | (After setting the environment.) | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | please comment out lines 44-48 and run it again for me | 20:46 |
SDuensin | Same. The config file corrupt maybe? | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | the favorite config file gaffe is dangling, perl-style commas, or missing commas in the middle of lists | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | is this config file being used on your live site right now? | 20:49 |
SDuensin | Yea. | 20:49 |
SDuensin | I don't remember editing it by hand. Checking. | 20:49 |
@Haarg | dangling commas shouldn't be a problem at this point. but missing commas certainly can be. | 20:50 |
SDuensin | I don't see anything. testEnvironment loads it, doesn't it? | 20:51 |
topsub | Radix_, just used ur lightbox2 package.. thanks! ported it to be used with a folder asset instead but you saved me from importing all the files | 20:52 |
SDuensin | testEnvironment passes with flying colors. | 20:53 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, try to run the default utility skeleton | 20:59 |
SDuensin | That works. | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | this is nuts | 21:01 |
SDuensin | hehe | 21:01 |
SDuensin | I told you guys I was good at breaking things. | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | well, next, please remove the use WebGUI::Asset* lines | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | and try the script again | 21:02 |
+MrHairgrease | you should try to run skeletor | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | he did | 21:02 |
SDuensin | Remove them from which script? | 21:02 |
+MrHairgrease | and then summon heman to fix it all | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | from the setMaxQ script | 21:03 |
+MrHairgrease | dunno what the prob is btw. | 21:03 |
SDuensin | Commented the two lines out. Error is still there. | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | new paste, please | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | either that, or a login | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | SD, when you ran the utility script, did you give it your config file? | 21:06 |
SDuensin | Yes. | 21:06 |
+MrHairgrease | perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile ut.jaegertech.net.conf | 21:07 |
SDuensin | Pastebin is being slooooooow. | 21:07 |
+MrHairgrease | should that be | 21:07 |
+MrHairgrease | perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile=ut.jaegertech.net.conf | 21:07 |
+MrHairgrease | try that | 21:07 |
@Haarg | it should work either way afaik | 21:07 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 21:08 |
SDuensin | Yea, same error with the ='s. | 21:08 |
+MrHairgrease | never used it without the = | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 21:08 |
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@Haarg | i never saw the exact error message, what was it? | 21:10 |
SDuensin | Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135. | 21:10 |
SDuensin | malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135. | 21:10 |
SDuensin | Hey rizen | 21:10 |
@rizen | howdy | 21:10 |
@Haarg | so it isn't finding the config file for some reason | 21:10 |
+MrHairgrease | hi | 21:10 |
@Haarg | can't get to pastebin atm, so i'm not sure | 21:11 |
SDuensin | No idea. | 21:11 |
+MrHairgrease | sduensin, where is your script and from what directory are you running it? | 21:11 |
+MrHairgrease | yea, pastebin is down | 21:11 |
SDuensin | In /data/WebGUI/sbin | 21:12 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin's powers of desctruction are strong, and widespreda | 21:13 |
SDuensin | You have no idea. :-) | 21:13 |
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+MrHairgrease | can you try with another util script | 21:14 |
+MrHairgrease | say, file import or so? | 21:14 |
SDuensin | testEnvironment runs fine. So does the skeleton with that config passed to it. | 21:15 |
@rizen | did you try tripple clicking? | 21:15 |
@Haarg | what is the difference between your script and the skeleton? | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | I think it's browser caching | 21:16 |
SDuensin | ? | 21:16 |
@rizen | oh i know | 21:17 |
@rizen | you forgot to do the big thing to make it go | 21:17 |
+MrHairgrease | quadruple clicking? | 21:17 |
+MrHairgrease | prayer? | 21:17 |
+MrHairgrease | make it bug free? | 21:17 |
+MrHairgrease | sduensin, could it be that there are weird characters in the conf file? | 21:19 |
+MrHairgrease | you can check that by opening it in vim | 21:19 |
+MrHairgrease | and then do | 21:19 |
+MrHairgrease | :set invlist | 21:19 |
SDuensin | I doubt it. The site is running off that file. | 21:19 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 21:19 |
+MrHairgrease | hmmm | 21:20 |
SDuensin | And (for once) I didn't screw with it. :-) | 21:20 |
+MrHairgrease | can you email me your code? | 21:20 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll have a look at it | 21:20 |
SDuensin | http://rafb.net/p/XwN4CR43.html | 21:21 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 21:21 |
SDuensin | (Alternate pastebin thingie.) | 21:21 |
+MrHairgrease | another pstebin | 21:21 |
SDuensin | There's a bunch of 'em. | 21:21 |
@Haarg | and the file is in sbin, and you are running it from there? | 21:22 |
SDuensin | Yep | 21:22 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8862 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (6 files): Update from translation server | 21:22 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8863 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 21:22 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Have Operation/Cron log a warning instead of an error when trying | 21:22 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: to rerun a singleton, long-running workflow. | 21:22 |
+MrHairgrease | well | 21:23 |
+MrHairgrease | somehow the configFile parameter is not parsed correctly | 21:23 |
+MrHairgrease | $configFile is undef | 21:24 |
* SDuensin didn't do it. Honest. :-P | 21:24 |
+MrHairgrease | configfile=s'=>\$configFile, | 21:24 |
+MrHairgrease | you did | 21:24 |
@Haarg | wait | 21:24 |
+MrHairgrease | F | 21:24 |
SDuensin | ? | 21:24 |
@Haarg | it parses the config file option twice | 21:24 |
+MrHairgrease | configfile != configFile | 21:24 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah that too | 21:25 |
@Haarg | they are equal for Getopt::Long | 21:25 |
@Haarg | unless you set a specific option | 21:25 |
+MrHairgrease | b/c of the first GetOptions with the wrong param | 21:25 |
+MrHairgrease | the second with the correct param doesn't work | 21:25 |
@Haarg | the double call to GetOptions is the problem | 21:25 |
@preaction | is this the SVN HEAD skeleton? | 21:25 |
@preaction | i swore i fixed it | 21:25 |
SDuensin | preaction - I'm sure I broke it. | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, it's from 7.5 | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | and the skeleton is fine in there | 21:26 |
@preaction | yeah, that looks like an older one | 21:26 |
@Haarg | you can just remove the GetOptions call inside start | 21:26 |
+MrHairgrease | and the my $configFile | 21:26 |
@preaction | no, because then start doesn't have the config file | 21:26 |
+MrHairgrease | it has | 21:26 |
@preaction | it's not getting passed in in this version | 21:26 |
@preaction | oh, i see | 21:26 |
+MrHairgrease | since $configFile is global too | 21:26 |
@preaction | abusive scoping :p | 21:27 |
SDuensin | I removed the one at the top. Error is gone! | 21:27 |
SDuensin | Now if we can just rid ourselves of the JSON to begin with... :-P | 21:27 |
+MrHairgrease | funny that GetOpt is case insensitive btw. | 21:27 |
+MrHairgrease | never thought it would be. | 21:28 |
* MrHairgrease rather scopes abuse =) | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | now that everyone is here, does anyone care to comment on the timeField form fixes I proposed earlier? | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | if not, I'll just go ahead and commit it | 21:29 |
SDuensin | Ok, I forgot to eat. I need to do that. Back in a bit. | 21:29 |
@Haarg | Getopt::Long is case insensitive for long options by default, case sensitive for short options. that can be configured though. | 21:29 |
@Haarg | you have a link perlDreamer? | 21:30 |
SDuensin | Thanks gang. | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d214b951f | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9063 | 21:30 |
@Haarg | can you make a different paste? | 21:31 |
@Haarg | pastebin is still unreachable | 21:31 |
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+perlDreamer | http://rafb.net/p/SOAUlP11.html | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | I built a test script for it with about 26 tests, testing with and without format=mysql, and with different kinds of inputs | 21:33 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9244 | 21:33 |
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@Haarg | so that is eliminating the format detection based on defaultValue? | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | because I don't think it matters | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | I'll add some more tests to make sure of that | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | yes, it doesn't matter when you call getValue. defaultValue is only supposed to be when no value param is supplied to the form element | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | so getValue either sees posted form params, or arguments | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | and the call to super will resolve that | 21:41 |
@Haarg | yeah, but the idea is that if something sets the defaultValue to 00:00:00, they always want a mysql time format | 21:41 |
@Haarg | and if they set it to 0, they always want an epoch time | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | so it's supposed to autodetect it? | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | instead of using the well documented and defined format argument? | 21:42 |
@Haarg | that was the idea | 21:42 |
@Haarg | i think format came later | 21:42 |
@Haarg | since we knew that the defaultValue thing was nasty | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | what gets priority if they're different? | 21:43 |
+BartJol | mm, is Send with a "d" past time or more a command? | 21:43 |
@Haarg | if which is different? | 21:44 |
@Haarg | defaultValue and format? | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 21:44 |
@Haarg | i would say format | 21:44 |
+BartJol | like in Account_Inbox the label Send, are these messages that should be send or already been send? | 21:44 |
+MrAfkGrease | bart: I think it's with a t | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'll rework the tests, then the patch, then the docs and then post for reconsideration | 21:44 |
+BartJol | it is with a t? that's usefull | 21:45 |
+BartJol | what it? | 21:45 |
+MrAfkGrease | oh | 21:45 |
+BartJol | :) | 21:45 |
+MrAfkGrease | i read your question wrong | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol: If you hit the "Send" button in the past, your email was sent. | 21:45 |
+MrAfkGrease | passed tense of send is sent | 21:45 |
+MrAfkGrease | so it's prolly a command | 21:45 |
+BartJol | indeed it is | 21:45 |
+MrAfkGrease | what the context? | 21:45 |
+BartJol | there isn't, that's why I'm asking | 21:46 |
+MrAfkGrease | ah | 21:46 |
+MrAfkGrease | well what colins says | 21:46 |
+MrAfkGrease | =) | 21:46 |
+BartJol | context in the latest i18n is terrible... | 21:46 |
+MrAfkGrease | i probably is | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, that is a button label. it's i18n'ed in the template using the macro | 21:47 |
+MrAfkGrease | but i meant more the sentence embedding the word | 21:47 |
+MrAfkGrease | which isn't there if it's just a button label... | 21:47 |
+BartJol | there wasn't a sentence either | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | and it should be "Send", the command | 21:48 |
+BartJol | just the word "Send", that makes it hard to understand | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | you should ask the Account maintainer to give some context in the i18n file to help you out, or just keep asking questions in channel ;) | 21:48 |
* perlDreamer goes running | 21:48 |
+MrAfkGrease | just translate it with Verzenden and be iun peace | 21:49 |
+BartJol | who's trying to bug me by leaving all context? are it tha germans, the spaniols or arabics paying PB? | 21:49 |
+BartJol | already did that MrAfkGrease | 21:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8864 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting singleton warn vs error for Cron. | 21:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8865 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Account_Profile.pm: Update from translation server | 21:50 |
+MrAfkGrease | very good | 21:50 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: I like it better to ask here, but next time I'll bother the responsible person, In this case it would have been Frank | 22:07 |
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SDuensin | In the Product asset, where is the actual template represented by <tmpl_var buy_options> ? | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, ack (or ctags in vim) answers questions very quickly ;) | 23:41 |
SDuensin | Eh? | 23:41 |
SDuensin | Yea yea. | 23:41 |
* SDuensin is reading how to "fix" the Shelf. | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | ?fix? | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | for pagination? | 23:42 |
SDuensin | Yes. | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | You want me to walk you through it? | 23:43 |
SDuensin | If you have time. I think I get the gist of it. Not looked up the internationalization stuff yet. | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | well, hack on. and holler if you get stuck | 23:44 |
SDuensin | I need to add the paginateAfter to the database, add the properties, and use the properties when the paginator is created. Right? | 23:44 |
* SDuensin bought the spiffy Developer's Guide. | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's it exactly | 23:45 |
SDuensin | Cool. :-) | 23:45 |
SDuensin | That's looking like my first contribution to the code. It's a must-have for my client. | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | file a bug for it | 23:47 |
SDuensin | ok | 23:47 |
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SDuensin | Just out of curiosity, why is all the i18n stuff in modules and not a DB table? Speed? | 23:53 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:53 |
SDuensin | I did a BBS some time ago and did it all in the database. I can see how a busy site would crumble with that kind of set up. | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | khenn, in the account system, what is the difference between a layout template and a view template? | 23:55 |
+BartJol | tavisto: did you see my private message? | 23:56 |
SDuensin | Whoever can assign tickets, please give me 9250. | 23:59 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, only the elect can assign tickets | 23:59 |
+perlDreamer | just post a comment saying that you're working on it | 23:59 |
SDuensin | OK | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol, about your i18n bug, how does this sound | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | Choose a layout from the list to display the various account plugins that are usable by the current user as well as the contents of the one currently chosen | 00:03 |
+BartJol | if you change "one" to plugin it's clearer I think | 00:04 |
@tavisto | bartjol, nice work | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | will do | 00:05 |
+BartJol | thanks | 00:05 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: thanks | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome, BartJol. You do the community a big service by feeding those bugs back to us | 00:09 |
+BartJol | small changes, but it looks much more neat indeed | 00:10 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8867 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs): | 00:11 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: many bug fixes | 00:11 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: added service login config option | 00:11 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8868 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed some Account i18n typos. | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | I hate thingy | 00:18 |
SDuensin | hehe | 00:18 |
SDuensin | Thingy is *so* close to being awesome. | 00:18 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: why, because it's mainly a Dutch product? | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | No. | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | Number 1 reason: I really don't understand it or how to properly use it. | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | Number 2 reason, it's new and buggy | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | I like Dutch things | 00:19 |
+BartJol | mmm, can understand your reasons | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | Dutch people, dutch soups, dutch stroopwaffeln and dutch code | 00:20 |
+BartJol | stroopwafels, we're not german | 00:20 |
+BartJol | :) | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | my bad :) | 00:21 |
+BartJol | Dutch isn't easy | 00:21 |
+BartJol | it's an unreliable language, too much exceptions | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | Oh, you mean compared to an easy language, like English? | 00:23 |
+BartJol | no just generally | 00:23 |
+BartJol | but you're right each language probably has that | 00:24 |
+BartJol | but spelling of words depends on grammar with no clear rulea | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | indede | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 00:24 |
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+perlDreamer | indead | 00:24 |
+BartJol | indeat | 00:25 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8869 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix searching in the Thingy view screen. | 00:43 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, is the TimeField supposed to convert to the desired format, or just validate it? | 01:30 |
@Haarg | convert to | 01:30 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8871 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/fixmxwithoutindex.pl: fixes the data for a bug that was in MailServer.pm | 02:20 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8873 /experimental/Automat/ (sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl lib/Automat/MailServer.pm): bug fixes | 02:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8874 /experimental/Automat/sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl: forgot to eval and exit the loop | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw | 02:54 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam: ping | 03:23 |
patspam | perlDreamer: pong | 03:27 |
+perlDreamer | never mind, I think I got it. | 03:28 |
+perlDreamer | The defaultValue is fine in the actual thingy table, it's only limited in the fields table. | 03:28 |
patspam | yeah, Thingy_fields | 03:28 |
patspam | man you're quick! | 03:28 |
patspam | i submitted that like 45mins ago ;) | 03:28 |
+perlDreamer | I just finished up a bug | 03:29 |
+perlDreamer | and you always submit good bug reports | 03:29 |
+perlDreamer | lots of detail, and sometimes patches | 03:29 |
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patspam | i was a professional bug reporter during uni | 03:32 |
patspam | ..at Infogrames (a game company) | 03:33 |
+perlDreamer | working at a game company sounds very fun | 03:33 |
patspam | that was a pretty good rort, being paid to play games all day =p | 03:33 |
patspam | yeah, except after about 6 months on the same, crap, buggy game.... | 03:33 |
+perlDreamer | actually, that's kind of how I feel now (previous sentiment) | 03:34 |
+perlDreamer | I'm getting paid to hack perl code | 03:34 |
+perlDreamer | No one yells at me about schedules, or wants me to remotely debug buggy tester hardware | 03:34 |
patspam | heh, just wait till you've had 6 months on the same, crap, buggy, .... heh just kidding | 03:34 |
+perlDreamer | it'll change a little. Instead of crappy, buggy 7.6, it will be crappy, buggy 7.7 ;) | 03:35 |
patspam | and at least you get to hack on the game itself, it was crap only being able to submit bugs and not actually fix stuff | 03:37 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8876 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.35-7.5.36.pl): make sure that Thingy fields defaultValue can hold any input from any type of form field. | 03:48 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8877 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.5-7.6.6.pl): Forward port Thingy_fields defaultValue size fix. | 03:48 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, when you import ical feeds into a calendar, is everything supposed to come over? | 05:18 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8878 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Have the calendar emit and read the ical LOCATION field. | 06:38 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8879 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward port Calendar location field fix in ical. | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | More iCal fun in the morning. Good night, all. | 07:05 |
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@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: hmm, you might just notify people as they probably forgot to put in the context. | 17:01 |
+BartJol | yeah, but it happens quiet a lot, and if I have to browse svn each time to look who forgot it it take me huge amounts of time | 17:03 |
+BartJol | if you find it a bit questionable if that posts should remain on the site, please remove | 17:04 |
+BartJol | and with questionable I mean that it could give an unprofessional impression | 17:06 |
SDuensin | Hey guys. | 17:06 |
+BartJol | perlmonkey2: so please do what you want with the post | 17:07 |
+BartJol | but it was in all changes in 7.6.4 and up | 17:08 |
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@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: no, you make a very pertinent point. | 17:23 |
+BartJol | ok, I don't wanna make a big issue of it | 17:25 |
@perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Adding context isn't a lot to ask of developers, and the i18n translations are very important. | 17:26 |
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+BartJol | I don't know how much work it is, I can imagine that distracts you from the programming | 17:27 |
Lisette | I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver | 17:29 |
Lisette | ? | 17:29 |
+BartJol | sorry Lisette, I don't know | 17:34 |
Lisette | i can't do a get from another website??? | 17:39 |
+BartJol | it's hard to get the code underneath. I don't have that kind of stuff | 17:43 |
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+BartJol | mmm are more people having problems with the asset managerin 7.6.5? I don't see my assets | 18:10 |
+BartJol | probably some bad stuff done myself | 18:13 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8881 /WebGUI/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Making Matrix edit listing screen templatable | 18:15 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: latest iteration on Form/TimeField, http://webgui.pastebin.com/df048e6f | 18:34 |
@Haarg | seems fine | 18:35 |
@Haarg | you may want to change the regex to use (?: ) but that's a pretty small nit | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, we don't need to capture anything in there, just validate | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | what time are you going to start the release? | 18:37 |
@Haarg | probably around 2 | 18:38 |
@Haarg | central that is | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | okay. in addition to the timefield bug, I'd like to get the calendar iCal work in too, but it might be tight | 18:38 |
@Haarg | what is the ical issue? | 18:39 |
SDuensin | Morning perlDreamer & Haarg | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | yo, SDuensin | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | It's kristi's ical bug from the boards | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | not all info from events comes across | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | Location was easy to add | 18:39 |
@Haarg | ah | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | still thinking about related URLs | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | and I don't think it's possible to do attachments | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | the problem with related URLs is that they're group protected | 18:40 |
@Haarg | at some point we may want to change the Data & DateTime form controls to be like what you have for time there | 18:40 |
@Haarg | they work properly afaik, but it isn't completely obvious what everything is doing | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | Oh, as far as the layout and logic? | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | gym time | 18:51 |
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SDuensin | Whoo hoo! My first "fixed" Wobject! | 19:17 |
SDuensin | Nothing like doing 10 minutes of work over two days. <sheesh> | 19:17 |
SDuensin | And it works! | 19:20 |
SDuensin | :-) | 19:20 |
SDuensin | Hey gang, since this is my first change to WebGUI core, would someone look at what I did before I commit it? It's only a few lines. I can send the files or a diff. | 19:34 |
@perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: I'll look at it if you want. You can just pastebin it or whatever. | 19:36 |
SDuensin | ko | 19:37 |
SDuensin | Ok, perlmonkey2 - Sorry. Was on the phone. | 19:49 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8882 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/TimeField.pm t/Form/TimeField.pm): | 19:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Fix the timeField form control so that times don't creep. | 19:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add tests. Lots of tests. | 19:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8883 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document time field form fix. | 19:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8884 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the TimeField form control, and add lots of tests. | 19:50 |
SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - First file: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40bc82c7 | 19:51 |
SDuensin | Second: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f50bec5 | 19:52 |
SDuensin | Massive database change: ALTER TABLE Shelf ADD paginateAfter INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '25'; | 19:52 |
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perlmonkey21 | SDuensin: I missed everything after the database update | 19:58 |
SDuensin | There wasn't anything. :-P | 19:59 |
SDuensin | [11:51] <SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - First file: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40bc82c7 | 19:59 |
SDuensin | [11:52] <SDuensin> Second: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f50bec5 | 19:59 |
SDuensin | [11:52] <SDuensin> Massive database change: ALTER TABLE Shelf ADD paginateAfter INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '25'; | 19:59 |
SDuensin | That's all. | 19:59 |
perlmonkey21 | oh, so no diff for Shelf? | 19:59 |
SDuensin | Oh. I pasted the entire file. | 19:59 |
SDuensin | Manual Diff: Lines 45-52. Line 304. | 20:00 |
SDuensin | Language file starts at line 72. | 20:01 |
SDuensin | Minor changes. | 20:01 |
perlmonkey21 | hmm, looks good to me. | 20:02 |
SDuensin | I didn't look at the 7.6.x tree. It needs put in there yet. | 20:03 |
SDuensin | BBIAF - Gonna get food before my teleconference starts. | 20:03 |
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SDuensin | Quiet in here today. | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | muy | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | did you get your pagination work done? | 21:22 |
SDuensin | Yep! | 21:22 |
SDuensin | I need to do it in 7.6.x and check it in. | 21:23 |
SDuensin | I'm watching a webinar on WaveMaker at the moment. It's giving me crazy ideas. | 21:23 |
* SDuensin wants to add a custom application builder to WebGUI. | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | Isn't that what Thingy is supposed to be? | 21:26 |
SDuensin | But MORE! | 21:26 |
SDuensin | GUI layout, scripted logic for advanced stuff, etc. | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | What's the URL for the staff blog on pb.com? | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | for its RSS feed? | 21:37 |
* SDuensin can't believe there doesn't seem to be a GUI Builder for YUI yet. | 21:39 |
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+perlDreamer | if anyone notices that the demo server is slow, it's my wife's fault | 21:48 |
SDuensin | hehehehe | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | she likes the initial site designer | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need to fold that into the template wizard | 21:49 |
SDuensin | Me too, but my god! What colors! Ack! | 21:49 |
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Lisette | I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver? | 22:15 |
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Lisette | i can do this in a workflow? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ea86eb9 | 22:54 |
+perlDreamer | Lisette, not really. | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | Workflows are not called with form parameters | 23:00 |
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Lisette | then how to do to get the values of those fields? | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | you can't use a workflow | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | you have to make an asset, operation, URL plugin or a Content plugin | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | like making a new paydriver | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | that is a Content plugin (sub-type) | 23:09 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8885 /experimental/HelpDesk/docs/HelpDesk: remove unused directories | 23:36 |
Lisette | I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver? | 23:36 |
@preaction | Lisette: and what have you tried? | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | she tried to make a workflow | 23:37 |
@preaction | is this like a paypal thing? | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like a driver postback from gateway kind of thing | 23:38 |
@preaction | it would post back to some ?shop=cart;method=gatewayPostback or something? | 23:42 |
Lisette | yes | 23:49 |
Lisette | somethig like that you say | 23:49 |
Lisette | i have verified the value of a variable for to show the message thank you | 23:49 |
Lisette | i have this in a paydriver | 23:50 |
Lisette | perlDreamer the workflow was for a CS for the content managers can create products. | 23:50 |
Lisette | are two things different | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | I see | 23:51 |
Lisette | are two different questions, the first is that if you could do in a workflow to be able to take the values and create the product through a collaborative system, and the second is how do I get to make a site that is not done and WebGUI obtain the values of the form | 23:53 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8886 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm docs/changelog): | 00:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Do not format the dateAssigned field if it's empty. Otherwise | 00:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: session->datetime will choose "now" as the time for you. | 00:06 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8887 /translations/Polish/Polish/AuthWebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 00:06 |
daviddelikat | so I'm just getting started here, diggin into tickets and code... | 00:15 |
daviddelikat | im working on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9150 and steping through the JS code | 00:15 |
SDuensin | Howdy daviddelikat | 00:15 |
* SDuensin is a n00b, too. | 00:15 |
daviddelikat | what seems to be happenning is the 'add column' code is cloning the old column and it fails | 00:15 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: are you looking at the edit schema dialog code or the code that processes that dialog? there's no cloning going on with the actual datatable, just insert and delete | 00:17 |
daviddelikat | it is calling form.getelement('removeColumn_1') but the column id is 'yui-gen3-button' | 00:17 |
daviddelikat | I'm looking at the code that runs when you press the add column button | 00:17 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: but that's not the code causing the problem. the column is not added to the data table right away, only after Save is clicked | 00:18 |
@preaction | or maybe i'm wrong, the bug report is unclear | 00:18 |
daviddelikat | to be honest I couldn't say where it is in the system, fire bug put it up when i pushed the button | 00:18 |
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daviddelikat | it looks like it is trying to add a column to the table in the shadow box that pops up when you push the edit schema button. | 00:20 |
SDuensin | OK, when I do my changes for the Shelf, do you want me to add on to the latest upgrade package, too? | 00:23 |
@preaction | SDuensin: are you adding a feature or is it a bugfix? | 00:24 |
SDuensin | Kinda both. It had no way to set the page size for pagination. | 00:24 |
SDuensin | So it does something new, but it's something it should have done anyway. | 00:25 |
@preaction | it's something new though, so a new feature, so it would have to go into a beta version, but we're under a feature freeze right now, so only JT can approve non-bugfix commits to HEAD | 00:25 |
SDuensin | OK, well I have the changes in my SVN here. I can commit whenever. | 00:26 |
SDuensin | I really needed it for a client, so I'll just deploy to my own site for now. | 00:26 |
SDuensin | Maybe. | 00:26 |
SDuensin | :-) | 00:26 |
@preaction | personally, i'd make it into a patch and save it in /data/WebGUI/patches so that you can apply it again if you have to upgrade webgui before the change goes into core | 00:27 |
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SDuensin | Might do that. Not gonna sweat it just yet. I still have to write the rest of the crazy ass navigation system they want that needs it. | 00:29 |
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+perlDreamer | Does anyone know why the Product is set to be a container in the default WebGUI.conf file? | 00:35 |
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@Haarg | nope | 00:41 |
@Haarg | seems odd | 00:42 |
Lisette | preaction, how to do "?shop=cart;method=gatewayPostback" in a paydriver? | 00:42 |
@preaction | Lisette: i don't know. perhaps look at WebGUI::Content::Shop to see how methods get dispatched? | 00:42 |
Lisette | ok, thanks | 00:49 |
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perlmonkey21 | Scalar::Util::weaken unavailable during install of Class::InsideOut. That error ring a bell with anyone? | 01:08 |
patspam | perlmonkey21: hola | 01:10 |
perlmonkey21 | hello patspam | 01:10 |
perlmonkey21 | what's the word? | 01:10 |
patspam | just reading your comments on survey bundles | 01:10 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: translation * r8888 /translations/Polish/Polish/VersionTag.pm: Update from translation server | 01:10 |
perlmonkey21 | patspam: link? | 01:11 |
patspam | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9232 | 01:11 |
patspam | do you mean the originals would be immutable? | 01:11 |
perlmonkey21 | well that would be easiest. To graft on a changeable system to the current one. | 01:11 |
perlmonkey21 | But the question types could be taken completely out of the code and then mutability would be optional. | 01:12 |
patspam | yeah. ideally I'd like to be able to disable the existing bundles that aren't relevant to my site | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey21: You are working on a red hat system for this C::IO install? | 01:13 |
perlmonkey21 | patspam: could even make their definitions export/importable. | 01:13 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: err, I didn't even look at the OS :P | 01:13 |
patspam | yeah that'd be sweet | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | Red Hat's Scalar::Util package has been known to be bad for a long time | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | if they are using WRE, probably fine, but double check your path | 01:14 |
perlmonkey21 | ELxenU | 01:14 |
patspam | where do you envisage the admin interface for it living? | 01:14 |
perlmonkey21 | patspam: good question. I think the best place would be to add some tabs to the editor view to allow question types to be altered/deleted/added. | 01:15 |
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perlmonkey21 | as eventually another tab will have to be added to break out random word lists from individual questions | 01:15 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: yes, it is using the WRE. | 01:16 |
patspam | asset edit or survey edit screen? | 01:16 |
perlmonkey21 | Wondering if there is some C::IO gotcha, as I know I've ran into this before, but don't recall how I resolved it. | 01:16 |
Lisette | i do a post in one CS and verified in the database the userdefined* and this is in null, why? | 01:16 |
perlmonkey21 | patspam: survey edit screen | 01:16 |
perlmonkey21 | asset edit would be a little awkward and not give us the fast AJAX editing interface. | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | Lisette, when you posted to the CS, did you fill out the userdefined fields? | 01:17 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: you're a contractor now, maybe I can hire you to wrap this up for me. It's nearly done, just needs some trial runs through the updates and a little testing :D | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey21: I'm fully booked. You'd have to talk to my bosses. | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | Or outbid them :=) | 01:18 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: who's your boss? | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | I work for a very, very nice man in Australia | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | and a very, very nice man in Wisconsin | 01:18 |
@preaction | but what about plainblack? | 01:18 |
perlmonkey21 | and I can't outbid as I'd have to pay double for this job. | 01:18 |
Lisette | the userdefined i used to like a form, i fill this fields and when i do a post this is null | 01:18 |
perlmonkey21 | preaction: those jokers would just assign it back to me. | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | Lisette, that could very well be a bug. Can you duplicate it on a demo site? | 01:19 |
@preaction | perlmonkey21: those jerks... someone should talk to them | 01:19 |
perlmonkey21 | preaction: how are things with you? still reveling in your fame and glory from your last trip? | 01:20 |
@preaction | ha! drudging through performance issues in WebGUI | 01:20 |
Lisette | wait me a moment i verified something | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | What? WebGUI has performance issues? Blasphemy | 01:20 |
patspam | preaction: are you using NYTProf? | 01:22 |
@preaction | patspam: yesm | 01:22 |
perlmonkey21 | hmm, is it even possible to run 7.4/7.5 on WRE 0.7.2? | 01:22 |
patspam | legend! | 01:22 |
@Haarg | it may be perlmonkey21, but i wouldn't want to try it | 01:22 |
patspam | I had it on my todo to sit down and learn it properly, and then focus its bottleneck destroying beam on webgui | 01:23 |
perlmonkey21 | Haarg: heh, okay, I guess I should update the WRE also, even though that wasn't specc'd. | 01:23 |
Lisette | perlDreamer i use 7.5.25 the demo site what version is? | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | 7.5.35 | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | That's why I asked. This bug may have been fixed in the latest version of WebGUI. | 01:24 |
Lisette | you sure? there is not 7.6.x? | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | ah, for demo.webgui.org, it is 7.5.35. for beta.webgui.org, it is 7.6.5 | 01:25 |
Lisette | ok, i do in the demo site, wait me please | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | yo espero con pacienca y grazia | 01:25 |
Lisette | bueno, entonces espereme mientras yo creo un nuevo CS y le cambio las plantillas | 01:26 |
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Lisette | listo, ya lo hice | 01:47 |
Lisette | perlDreamer, i do in the demo site, how to do to verified? | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | Lisette, you can set up a SQL Report to check the db and make sure that your data is in there. | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | the other option is to change the View Thread template to display userDefined values. | 01:52 |
Lisette | how to do the second option? | 01:55 |
+perlDreamer | Double checking | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | Edit the CS | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | Choose the Display tab | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | For the "Collaboration System Thread Template", choose Edit | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | that will take you to the template | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | add the userdefined variables to inside the post_loop | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | save | 02:01 |
Lisette | yo ya hice eso y no me las muestra | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | what is the URL for the demo server? | 02:02 |
Lisette | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1228864608_433/home/pruebas/productos | 02:06 |
Lisette | do you see anything? | 02:10 |
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+perlDreamer | I don't think the template variables are in the correct place in the template | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | Let's set up a SQL Report instead | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | the SQL report says empty, too | 02:13 |
Lisette | then i have to check my template? | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | if it displays the form, then there shouldn't be any Post Form template problems | 02:21 |
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Lisette | then what is the problem? :-/ | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | That is a very good question. | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | On my dev site, it is working fine | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | I put userDefined form variables into the template, then do a SQL query | 02:37 |
+perlDreamer | and they all show up | 02:37 |
+perlDreamer | on the demo site, however, they do not | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | they do not show up in the db, nor in the post template | 02:38 |
Lisette | mmmm | 02:39 |
Lisette | what is your version? | 02:39 |
Lisette | you do this with the same template? | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | I am using one version up, 7.5.36 (from SVN) | 02:43 |
Lisette | and the template? | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | A little different. | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | I set up a new demo site that is working fine | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1228869202_300/home | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | so i suspect there is something funny about your template | 02:45 |
Lisette | ok, im going to check, thank so much perlDreamer | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | You're welcome, Lisette | 02:48 |
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Lisette | i have another question perlDreamer, the template by default is the same in the version 7.4.x and 7.5.x? | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | they may be the same, Lisette. You would have to go through the changelog and check. | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | even then, it is hard to tell since some bugs are not well written | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | you suspect a problem from the upgrade? | 02:52 |
Lisette | no | 02:53 |
Lisette | the template is made by another person, but this person have the version 7.4.x and i 7.5.25 | 02:54 |
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+perlDreamer | Lisette, that can work sometimes, but it's not the safest way to do development. | 02:55 |
Mech422 | and here we have a solution looking for a webgui 'problem' to solve: http://www.danga.com/mogilefs/ | 02:57 |
Lisette | ok, thanks | 02:57 |
Lisette | i put your template in my dev site and now works! | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | Tengo curiosidad que la diferencia entre las plantissas es. | 03:20 |
Lisette | platillas | 03:49 |
Lisette | plantillas | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | si, plantillas. Gracias | 04:09 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8889 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 04:58 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Have testEnvironment.pl crap out if it can't find the required modules. | 04:58 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Change the pay driver to use the user supplied label, rather than the module type for | 04:58 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: labels and buttons. | 04:58 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8890 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Flesh out the ResponseJSON test more. Add POD. | 04:58 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8891 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 04:58 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Forward port PayDriver button and labeling fix. | 04:58 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Forward port testEnvironment fix for not having prerequisite perl modules. | 04:58 |
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patspam | would it be hard to make Wg:Form:Combo dynamicCompatible? | 05:34 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:44 |
+perlDreamer | the problem comes when you need to add to the list of possible values. | 05:44 |
+perlDreamer | the form element has to have some kind of callback to its parent | 05:44 |
+perlDreamer | is the combo box a show stopper for you in the survey? | 05:48 |
patspam | no, i was running up against it in Thingy | 05:51 |
patspam | but should be ok, I'm implementing an Wg::Form::AutoComplete using YUI instead | 05:51 |
@preaction | autocomplete? | 05:52 |
@preaction | i'd be careful, those things are nasty on the server | 05:52 |
patspam | yeah, a yui-powered autocomplete box | 05:52 |
patspam | nah using a pre-populated js array, no ajax | 05:52 |
patspam | eg. the possible values become the js array | 05:53 |
@preaction | ah | 05:53 |
+perlDreamer | this is embarassing | 05:53 |
+perlDreamer | I need some CGI help | 05:53 |
+perlDreamer | for the translation server | 05:53 |
+perlDreamer | the forms are all setup to redirect to / | 05:53 |
+perlDreamer | and I can't get / to call up and run the translation server | 05:53 |
@preaction | so it's a configuration issue? | 05:54 |
+perlDreamer | it has to be | 05:55 |
@preaction | did you check the error log? | 05:56 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:56 |
@preaction | and? | 05:56 |
+perlDreamer | Attempt to serve directory: /data/domains/mywebgui.localdomain/www/cgi/ | 05:56 |
@preaction | do you have a DirectoryIndex index.cgi <- in your configuration? | 05:57 |
+perlDreamer | DirectoryIndex translationserver.cgi | 05:57 |
@preaction | oh right | 05:58 |
@preaction | and DocumentRoot is that directory? no trailing /? | 05:58 |
+perlDreamer | I'll paste the config | 05:58 |
+perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5e60157b | 05:59 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: no SetHandler perl-script, that's bad | 06:02 |
@preaction | it forces all requests to be handled by perl-script, overriding cgi-script for .cgi | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | isn't that the vanilla mod_perl/cgi config? | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | I'll remove it and try it anyway | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | no change | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | still trying to serve up a directory | 06:04 |
@preaction | mod_perl != CGI | 06:04 |
@preaction | both SetHandlers? | 06:04 |
@preaction | there are two i saw | 06:04 |
@preaction | also, get rid of the ModPerl::Registry stuff, and the PerlOptions, we don't need them | 06:05 |
@preaction | this is just boring CGI | 06:05 |
@preaction | oh, also <Directory /> refers to the / of your filesystem | 06:05 |
@preaction | you want <Location /> | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | okay, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e8d2542 | 06:09 |
+perlDreamer | bbiaw, time for kids | 06:10 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: scriptalias isn't necessary, also i believe it needs to be "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl" but i might be wrong there | 06:10 |
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+perlDreamer | that did it. Thanks preaction | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | man, all that work to test a 12 character fix | 06:42 |
+perlDreamer | but it's better than committing blind, and breaking something | 06:46 |
@preaction | true enough | 06:49 |
@preaction | i had to go through that much when i had a fix for that thing too, so don't feel bad ;) | 06:49 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: CGI scripts don't need rebooting. the interpreter is reloaded and the script rerun every request | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | I remember that much, preaction :) | 06:55 |
@preaction | oh. someone has to install the fix | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | yes, on PB's server | 06:55 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8892 /tools/translationserver.cgi: decode translators notes as utf8 to handle foreigh characters. | 08:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8893 /WebGUI/t/ (Storage.t Storage/Image.t): remove remnants of caseInsensitiveOS in tests | 08:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8894 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixing misuse of pod for commenting out code | 08:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8895 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.6 release | 08:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8896 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.6-beta: Release 7.6.6-beta | 08:40 |
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* Radix-wrk cheats and jumps a little ahead in preparation ;) | 08:41 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8897 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.7 dev | 09:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8898 /branch/WebGUI_flux/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): | 09:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Flagging of invalid Survey fields now uses CSS classes instead of <font> tags | 09:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: (for skinnability) | 09:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8899 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'thingy' into flux | 09:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8900 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Form/AutoComplete.pm Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Added experimental WebGUI::Form::AutoComplete | 09:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8901 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Style tweaks to AutoComplete | 09:15 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8902 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Some bug fixes to AutoComplete.pm | 09:15 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8903 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Updated AutoComplete documentation | 09:40 |
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@preaction | daviddelikat: do you have a patch for your fix? if so, I can commit it for you | 01:26 |
xdanger | yeah! there was a fire in out power distribution room today... | 01:26 |
xdanger | from afternoon until midnight | 01:26 |
xdanger | without power | 01:27 |
@preaction | xdanger: nice. how's your data? | 01:27 |
xdanger | that's fine. The fire was in the building opposite of us | 01:27 |
@preaction | that's good at least | 01:28 |
xdanger | just that the whole datacenter was out, and the electricity company recovered us last | 01:28 |
daviddelikat | preaction: I am working that out now. I have some old habits like code reviews and such that I have to get over in this opensource world.... | 01:28 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: they're not bad habits, before i commit someone else's code, i will definately be reviewing it | 01:29 |
daviddelikat | preaction: thanks, I feel better now. | 01:29 |
@preaction | it just might be faster for me to do it, since i've been inundated in the webgui coding guidelines and best practices | 01:29 |
@preaction | also, because i wrote the datatable and really want this bug to be fixed (it worked fine when i checked it in, i swear to god) | 01:30 |
daviddelikat | I used to do that too (swear) but I learned better now. | 01:30 |
@preaction | F/OSS doesn't mean you get to forgoe those programming practices that are useful and encourage good code, though the "having to get a non-programmer's approval" is one thing that's done away with | 01:31 |
daviddelikat | so i don't have to explain what i did to a rock? | 01:32 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8913 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/DomainName.pm): | 01:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: improved dns zone file generation | 01:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: removed alias number on site listings without one | 01:35 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: added imap/pop/smtp/webmail info on mail management screen | 01:35 |
daviddelikat | preaction: patch is posted to http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9150 | 01:55 |
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@preaction | daviddelikat: seems like everything's in order. one note: your whitespace was a bit mixed up, prevented the patch getting applied the first time. WebGUI sets indents at 4 chars and uses spaces instead of tab (dunno if that was your problem or not) | 02:13 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: but now the important bit: Who gets credit for this bugfix in the changelog? | 02:14 |
daviddelikat | preaction: is this like a race? its my first time. where's the change log? am i too late? aaahhh!!! | 02:22 |
daviddelikat | I guess I was hoping i could get =credit for it | 02:23 |
daviddelikat | :) | 02:23 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: no, you ARE getting credit for it, i just need to know who you are. are you "David Delikat" or "Deli Kat Solutions, Inc." | 02:25 |
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daviddelikat | preaction: oh, sorry for the drama, too much coffee... just David Delikat will do | 02:29 |
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@preaction | k, sounds good | 02:29 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: doug * r8914 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9150: Edit Data Table - Cannot add column (David Delikat) | 02:39 |
+Radix-wrk | nice work david :) | 02:42 |
@preaction | indeed. that code looks much more useful now | 02:42 |
daviddelikat | thanks | 02:42 |
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daviddelikat | I'm looking at http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9217 | 03:14 |
daviddelikat | i managed to reproduce it, and I also noticed that it always asks for a new section | 03:15 |
daviddelikat | is this the way it is supposed to be? | 03:15 |
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elnino | not webgui related - just wondering if anyone has a recommended web - tree control that I can move items around between levels and then save the heirarchy? | 06:10 |
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+Radix-wrk | Ooooh.. wierd.. "Revisions In Tag: Visitor / 12/ 3/2008 11:12 am" | 07:24 |
+Radix-wrk | Really odd.. Visitor has made five changes to a thread in forum that is internal only according to the version tag. | 07:25 |
daviddelikat | does anybody know the connect string for the database? or where i can find it? | 07:30 |
daviddelikat | found it... | 07:34 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: yung * r8915 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added tooltips to Matrix attributes | 17:20 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:46 |
+MrHairgrease | Greasings! | 17:47 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8916 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/DomainName.pm: fixed deleting from server | 18:21 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8917 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.36/shopping-cart-collateral-items_address-default.wgpkg: Internationalize the title of the add address screen. | 18:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8918 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.6/shopping-cart-collateral-items_address-default.wgpkg: Forward port address book title i18n fix | 18:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8919 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Template the ITransact add credentials screen. | 18:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8920 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Forward port templated ITransact edit credentials screen. | 18:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8921 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the read more link in the syndicated articles template. | 18:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8922 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port syndicated articles i18n template fix | 18:50 |
@perlmonkey2 | can you upgrade directly from wre 7.2 to 8.5? | 19:03 |
@Haarg | wre? | 19:06 |
@Haarg | there is no direct upgrade path from 0.7 to 0,8 | 19:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | Haarg: so how would you get a 0.7.2 to an 0.8 series? | 19:06 |
@Haarg | you have to do a clean install of 0.8, then import the needed files, databases | 19:06 |
@perlmonkey2 | do we have a wiki explaining how to do all that? | 19:07 |
@Haarg | yes | 19:13 |
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@tavisto | perldreamer, I noticed that the payment driver label issue has been resolved in the 7.6.6... that's awesome | 19:34 |
@tavisto | or actually I guess that was more of an RFE.. but it's cool either way | 19:35 |
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wgGuest22 | Hey guys I'm upgrading from 7.4.21 to the current stable. I know I need to upgrade to 7.4.40 first. Are there any other intermediate upgrades I need to make along the path? Right now when I move to 7.4.40 I'm getting an error saying that my site's conf file is invalid. | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, it was registered as two different bugs | 20:07 |
@preaction | wgGuest22: what do the gotchas say? | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | so it got fixed | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest22 /data/WebGUI/docs/gotchas.txt | 20:09 |
wgGuest22 | I read the gotchas and only saw the 7.4.40. | 20:09 |
wgGuest22 | I've already made all the CPAN updates included therein | 20:10 |
wgGuest22 | I only check the gotchas in 7.5.31. I'll read the gotchas from 7.4.40 and see what they say. | 20:11 |
@preaction | the 7.5.31 gotchas include the ones from 7.4.40 | 20:13 |
@tavisto | excellent | 20:14 |
@tavisto | that's great perldreamer | 20:14 |
@tavisto | it's one of those... "this should be simple and make sense" and it didnt previously | 20:14 |
@tavisto | :) | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | well, we did fix this once, but it wasn't the right fix | 20:14 |
@tavisto | well it looks like you did it the right way now and it works exactly as a non-technical person setting up a webgui-based store would think :) | 20:16 |
wgGuest22 | I only see the 7.4.40 step. Any thoughts on what may cause my sites conf file to throw an error? I'm on WRE 0.8.3 Do I need to upgrade/reinstall that as well? | 20:19 |
@Haarg | what is the exact error you are seeing? | 20:21 |
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+perlDreamer | wgGuest22: why don't you paste the error that you are seeing into a pastebin: webgui.pastebin.com. Then post the URL that it gives you back here. | 20:29 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: safe to commit still? | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | 1 last bug for today | 21:20 |
@Haarg | yeah | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | it _is_ your bug, so I figured you might want it fixed | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | you're killing me Haarg | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | here I try to be nice by fixing all your bugs | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | and you keep submitting more | 21:25 |
@Haarg | heh | 21:25 |
@Haarg | which one this time? | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | the LDAP one | 21:25 |
@Haarg | ah | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | but tabb passed me the fix for the site starter floats issue | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | and it's in | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | Kathy's been using the site starter and template wizards, and I have a whole bunch of ideas for 7.7 | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | like making them one and the same | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | and adding a right nav option, in addition to left and top | 21:27 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8923 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/Asset.t: add test for quote processing in fixTitle | 21:30 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8924 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix CSS style issue with clearing floats in site starter template | 21:30 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8925 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: forward porting quotes in asset title fixTitle test | 21:30 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8926 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm): Forward porting site starter css fix for clears and page content positioning. | 21:30 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8927 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (5 files): data scrubing scripts | 21:30 |
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+perlDreamer | unbelieveable. I can't use dates from Shawshank since they're all before 1970 | 21:39 |
@Haarg | no negative numbers? | 21:39 |
@Haarg | that could acually be something extra worth putting in tests | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | negative epochs? | 21:40 |
@Haarg | yeah | 21:41 |
@preaction | You can check on Perl's status here: http://isperlalive.com/ | 21:51 |
Bernd_ | Can someone help me with understanding Aspects? | 21:53 |
Bernd_ | I am trying to understand a comment by JT, in which he claimed | 21:53 |
Bernd_ | that Assets and Aspects do not come magically together. | 21:53 |
Bernd_ | But they require some glue. | 21:53 |
Bernd_ | I just had a look at WikiPage, which uses the Comments aspect. | 21:54 |
Bernd_ | I cannot see any glue there. | 21:54 |
Bernd_ | All it does is inherit Comments. | 21:54 |
Bernd_ | And that is exactly how I would have expected it to work. | 21:54 |
Bernd_ | What am I missing? | 21:54 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8928 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 21:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Change ResponseJSON to use a proper mutator for startTime. | 21:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add tests for startTime. | 21:55 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Survey uses the accessor, and no longer needs to manually set startTime. | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: that's the whole glue. The magic is done by Class::C3 | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: under what circumstancees does it say "No"? | 21:58 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: it doesn't :p | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | heh | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | snort | 21:58 |
Bernd_ | So what does he mean then by this remark: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/the-death-of-the-collaboration-system/14 | 21:58 |
@preaction | Bernd_: it means there may be Aspects that require more glue code than just "use base ( myAspect )" | 21:59 |
Bernd_ | But isn't that rather a matter of proper encapsulation? | 22:00 |
Bernd_ | If Aspect.pm is designed properly, inheritage should always be sufficient. | 22:00 |
Bernd_ | inheritance | 22:00 |
SDuensin | How on earth can I downgrade/upgrade my server and only have *one* site not work? | 22:00 |
Bernd_ | preaction, right or wrong? | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: Aspects provide additional methods to any Asset | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | so, for example, in the WikiPage, you'll see that it makes a call to $self->getFormattedComments | 22:02 |
@preaction | Bernd_: no. aspects may require information from the asset, or the asset may have to make a choice on how the aspect should carry out a certain task. | 22:02 |
wgGuest22 | I'm back. I was having a problem upgrading to 7.4.40. I tried upgrading a backup verson of webgui but am running into the same error. I've uploaded the error message to http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6173a6fc | 22:02 |
+perlDreamer | all that you needed to do to get that method was use inheritance | 22:02 |
Bernd_ | perlDreaer, so there is some glue even in WikiPage. | 22:03 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:03 |
Bernd_ | I missed that one since I was only looking for $self->next::something calls. | 22:03 |
+perlDreamer | and, in general, like preaction said, it may require more glue, method calls | 22:04 |
Bernd_ | Alright, I got it then. | 22:04 |
Bernd_ | Thanks for helping me understand. | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | sure :) | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest22: did you check your config file for JSON syntax errors? | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | missing and/or extra commas | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | unquoted strings? | 22:05 |
+perlDreamer | and the like | 22:05 |
wgGuest22 | I looked through it and didn't see anything unusual. I saw on instance of empty [] but I saw that in another conf file too. The site is/was loading fine. | 22:06 |
Bernd_ | perlDreamer, but why not create some plug-in architecture to allow Comments to register and fill its own template variables? | 22:06 |
Bernd_ | That way you could totally avoid the glue. | 22:06 |
wgGuest22 | I did update the JSON module per the Gotcha. Would that affect how the file is read? | 22:07 |
Bernd_ | Overriding the view method would not work. | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: No, it would have to have broken out template variable setting methods, like in the Calendar | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | but that concept would work fine | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | except that it would limit where comments can be used | 22:07 |
@preaction | yeah, that would limit flexibility | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | you have no idea in which method the "parent" would have comments | 22:08 |
Bernd_ | But doesn't it all come down to adding template variables and properties? | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:08 |
wgGuest22 | I am running WRE 0.8.3 I didn't see anything in the gotchas about that. Could this be an issue? | 22:09 |
Bernd_ | What about adding a "templateVariables" method to Asset, which returns a ref to the respective structure. | 22:09 |
Bernd_ | That one could be overridden and extended by Aspects. | 22:09 |
Bernd_ | Later on it is called by the view method, a template processed and the result returned. | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: template variables change based on the individual screen | 22:09 |
Bernd_ | No glue needed. | 22:09 |
Bernd_ | Screen? I cannot follow. | 22:09 |
Bernd_ | Can you give an example? | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | www_view is one "screen" for an asset | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | it's the default, and most common one | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | but in the gallery, it could be called www_viewAlbum | 22:10 |
Bernd_ | And www_edit is another one? | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | and www_viewAlbum would have different template variables from www_view | 22:11 |
Bernd_ | And how do we switch between them? | 22:11 |
Bernd_ | Is that done by ?func=somehting ? | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:11 |
Bernd_ | something | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | func=view is the default. func=edit | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | would call www_edit | 22:11 |
Bernd_ | I see. | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | that's what preaction meant by a lack of flexibility | 22:11 |
Bernd_ | But wouldn't have the Aspect to aware of screens anyhow? | 22:12 |
+perlDreamer | no | 22:12 |
+perlDreamer | it just adds a form, and some html code for displaying | 22:12 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't care who calls it | 22:12 |
@preaction | the aspect can add screens, could override screens, but we currently have no method of combining two www_screen methods into one output | 22:12 |
Bernd_ | Hm. | 22:13 |
Bernd_ | But how many different screens would you expect for the comments aspect? | 22:13 |
Bernd_ | Is it really that much of a loss in flexibility? | 22:13 |
@preaction | if we took a page out of the MVC handbook, and had www_screen return an object that could create an HTML page (instead of the HTML itself), then we could use that object to add or modify stuff | 22:13 |
@preaction | Bernd_: there already is a getTemplateVars convention being used in a lot of places in WebGUI | 22:14 |
Bernd_ | Uh. Can't follow. | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: for the cost of 1 line of code, the current aspect can be used on any screen | 22:14 |
Bernd_ | But it is not plug'n'play. | 22:15 |
Bernd_ | You always have to add some code. | 22:15 |
Bernd_ | Individual solutions in each case. | 22:15 |
@preaction | the problem with a getTemplateVars method is that it has to be cheap, because you might want to use those template variables in other pages. (the Gallery, for example, uses getTemplateVars from GalleryAlbum, which uses getTemplateVars from GalleryFile) | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | it's not fully automated, but again, the cost is low | 22:15 |
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Bernd_ | The reason I am interested in Aspects is because of the discussion with JT I have mentioned before. | 22:16 |
@preaction | Bernd_: to elaborate on the "www_ returns an object": Instead of "www_view" returning an HTML string, it returns a WebGUI::Response object containing the raw variables, the template to use, the style template to use, and later in the request we can combine them together to get the HTML | 22:16 |
Bernd_ | Sounds good to me. | 22:17 |
Bernd_ | So why not? | 22:17 |
@preaction | that complicates things, and completely destroys the API | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 22:17 |
Bernd_ | There is always a time to make things better. | 22:17 |
Bernd_ | Let us rewrite WebGUI from scratch :-) | 22:17 |
Bernd_ | You would have to do the work, of course. | 22:18 |
@preaction | WebGUI 8 is the time we can break the API | 22:18 |
Bernd_ | Where can I post RFEs? | 22:18 |
Bernd_ | But seriously, would that be interesting to change the www_ methods? | 22:18 |
Bernd_ | I believe it would be really cool, if you could extend existing Assets by some kind of plug'n'play architecture. | 22:19 |
Bernd_ | That would allow non-perl programmers to do a lot of cool stuff. | 22:19 |
Bernd_ | Coming back to the CS: | 22:19 |
Bernd_ | You would not have decide between the HelpDesk, blog, forum etc. | 22:20 |
Bernd_ | But could combine your CS out of a basic CS class and mixing in all kinds of Aspects. | 22:20 |
@preaction | Bernd_: i've been advocating that change for a while | 22:20 |
Bernd_ | You are my man! | 22:20 |
Bernd_ | Let me guess: JT said no? | 22:20 |
@preaction | no, afaik JT likes it but it's an API break | 22:21 |
@preaction | we're not talking the normal "oh, this might affect a few people" break, it's a "This changes how all assets must be written" break | 22:21 |
Bernd_ | I am totally aware of it. | 22:21 |
Bernd_ | Lots of work. Lots of new bugs to fix. | 22:21 |
@preaction | well, it would be possible to determine if the asset returned a string or an object, but what about those utilities that expect a string and instead get an object? | 22:22 |
@preaction | so it wouldn't be too bad really | 22:22 |
Bernd_ | But good news for perlDreamer: he won't run out of work. | 22:22 |
Bernd_ | So is there a realistic chance, this will come in WebGUI 8? | 22:23 |
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Bernd_ | Once again, where can I propose this/start a discussion? | 22:23 |
Bernd_ | The dev forum? | 22:23 |
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@preaction | there is a possibility, and once there's an open RFE, a discussion could be started on the dev forum, yes | 22:24 |
Bernd_ | I will try to put it in simple words and open an RFE. | 22:24 |
Lisette | There is a way to make filters with thingy? | 22:25 |
rizen_ | Bernd_: hates me | 22:25 |
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+perlDreamer | eek, it's rizen! | 22:26 |
Bernd_ | Who does? Me? | 22:26 |
Bernd_ | Why do you think so? | 22:26 |
Lisette | anyone knows about thingy? | 22:27 |
Bernd_ | Have I shown my dislike too openly :-P | 22:27 |
Bernd_ | I must be more careful in the future. | 22:28 |
@rizen | because you plague me with this request | 22:29 |
@rizen | i don't want it | 22:29 |
@rizen | even if it were possible | 22:29 |
Bernd_ | Who cares? | 22:29 |
Bernd_ | preaction said you like it. | 22:30 |
@rizen | you should, since i get to decide if it goes in | 22:30 |
@rizen | no preaction was talking about returning objects from www_ methods | 22:30 |
@preaction | i think he means the one you've been discussing in the forums | 22:30 |
Bernd_ | It is not really for me. | 22:30 |
@rizen | not the crazy pluggable cs thing | 22:30 |
Bernd_ | WebGUI already has all I want. | 22:30 |
@rizen | then why are you arguing it? | 22:30 |
Bernd_ | Because I believe it is an extremely useful feature. | 22:31 |
Bernd_ | Very powerful and probably unique. | 22:31 |
Bernd_ | Why no plugins for the CS? | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | Bernd_: you want it to be fully automated, with the only "glue" code involved being inheriting from the Aspect? | 22:31 |
Bernd_ | Right. | 22:32 |
+perlDreamer | or something different? | 22:32 |
Bernd_ | No. | 22:32 |
Bernd_ | The task would be to redesign Asset in a way, | 22:32 |
Bernd_ | overriding existing methods would be sufficient. | 22:32 |
Bernd_ | What is so bad about it? | 22:32 |
@rizen | there are many things bad about it | 22:32 |
Bernd_ | Sounds like proper class design to me?! | 22:33 |
Bernd_ | I am reading... | 22:33 |
@rizen | 1) when someone decides they'll plug in their own BS class which then destroys something, but they blame it on WG | 22:33 |
@preaction | it's proper class design only when you're talking about single inheritence | 22:33 |
@rizen | 2) it's more complicated and produces less flexibility (because the glue that you're worried about provides flexibility) | 22:34 |
Bernd_ | BS = bull shit? | 22:34 |
@rizen | yup | 22:34 |
Bernd_ | Is there a 3) to come? | 22:34 |
@rizen | 3) aspects are not necessarily designed to play well together, but with this approach you'll be forcing them to be, which isn't necessarily desirable | 22:34 |
Bernd_ | Ok, stop it. I have had enough. | 22:35 |
Bernd_ | Alternative suggestion: | 22:35 |
@rizen | 4) the more aspects you plug together, the slower the asset will become...but users won't think "oh this giant megalith asset i just created is too damn big and that's why it's so slow", they'll think "WebGUI is a slow pile of shit" | 22:35 |
Bernd_ | What about packing all the glue into a separate class that can be plugged into the CS? | 22:36 |
Bernd_ | That would be a compromise. | 22:36 |
@rizen | no, cuz you're still making the glue already in a hard form | 22:36 |
@rizen | so it's inflexible | 22:36 |
Bernd_ | That is one separate class per Aspect that should be made pluggable. | 22:36 |
Bernd_ | How much flexibility do you need for the CS? | 22:36 |
@rizen | and it makes the slowness and complexity problems even bigger | 22:36 |
Bernd_ | But since you plug only the Aspects you need, why should there be a performance drawback? | 22:37 |
@rizen | Bernd_: if you have to ask that question, you aren't even in a position to be discussing this | 22:37 |
Bernd_ | Which one? | 22:37 |
@rizen | either | 22:37 |
@rizen | both | 22:37 |
Bernd_ | Hm. Not sure what you mean. | 22:38 |
@rizen | perlDreamer, preaction, or any other dev here. have i said anything above that is untrue or even slightly misrepresented? | 22:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | Okay, I'm trying to update wre 0.7.2 to 0.8.5. So I move the old wre to wretemp. MV WebGUI to WebGUItemp. Then deploy 0.8.5. When the wreconsole prompts for what type of install, I move WebGUItemp to WebGUI and chose manual. Now in the past, the wre then goes on to set up the mysql tables and init the wre. But now it just drops into the add a site menu, doing nothing else. | 22:39 |
@preaction | i'm half paying attention, but no | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: I think the stuff about calling webgui a slow pile of shit will happen regardless of aspect use or not. We've seen that with the site review on TBB. Aside from that, no. | 22:39 |
@preaction | i'm not quite sure what exactly Bernd_ wants. is it a way for users to check off which features they want in their collaboration system? | 22:40 |
@preaction | as the CS is created, on a per-CS basis? | 22:40 |
Bernd_ | preaction, exactly that. | 22:40 |
SDuensin | Users need beat. They call WebGUI slow before even trying it! I'm shocked how many see it's written in Perl and immediately write it off. :-( | 22:40 |
@rizen | Bernd_ wants all the pieces of the CS turned into aspects (like i plan to do), but then wants a new CS asset that will allow him to pick which aspects (from all the aspects out there) to put into his new custom CS | 22:41 |
@preaction | Bernd_: i would say that by just having all the aspects inside the CS, you can pick which ones you use, no? | 22:41 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: it can't set up databases for sites you don't have | 22:41 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: did you do a mysqldump of all your old databases before shutting down the old wre? | 22:42 |
Bernd_ | preaction, but then we end up with the CS we already have. | 22:42 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: cuz you should have, and then import them into the new db | 22:42 |
Bernd_ | The idea was to plug only what you need and keep the burden on the server low. | 22:42 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: yes, I have everything | 22:43 |
Bernd_ | But if I got rizen correctly that would not be the case for whatever reason. | 22:43 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: so I should not do a manual deploy of the old WebGUI directoy | 22:43 |
Bernd_ | Ok, seems like the discussion is over. | 22:45 |
Bernd_ | Not going to bug you any further. | 22:45 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: i don't know exactly what you're trying to do, call me on skype and i'll walk you through it | 22:46 |
@perlmonkey2 | k | 22:47 |
@rizen | Bernd_: the megalith cs is not going to happen | 22:47 |
@rizen | Bernd_: but if you want to discuss it further i'm happy to | 22:47 |
Bernd_ | No. No need. | 22:47 |
Bernd_ | As I said - it is not for me particularly. | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I keep building test code that mimics the survey by accident | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | surveyOrder looks almost exactly like my buildSurveyDummy test method | 22:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: cause the survey is dumb? | 22:48 |
Bernd_ | It just seems we do have very different perspectives. | 22:48 |
@perlmonkey2 | rizen: I don't see you online. | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | no, because I keep reinventing the wheel | 22:48 |
@preaction | it sounds like Bernd_ wants "plugins", not "Aspects". Aspect is an OO concept. Plugins sounds like they'd do what you'd want (a UI to choose which plugins are active for which instance of an asset) | 22:49 |
Bernd_ | preaction, you are probably right. | 22:49 |
Bernd_ | In fact, you could have both - aspects and plugins next to each other. | 22:49 |
Bernd_ | Or actually write some code that uses Aspects to generate plugins. | 22:50 |
* perlDreamer takes a break. be back in 30-45 | 22:50 |
Bernd_ | Should not be too difficult to implement for the CS. | 22:50 |
Bernd_ | That was one of my original points. | 22:50 |
@preaction | i understand your argument, but it would require a lot of work. especially the API and UI so that end-users would not get confused when things did not work as expected. | 22:52 |
@preaction | the asset API itself would need to change to be easier for plugin developers (or even Possible) | 22:52 |
@preaction | worst-case, we'd have to use Class::MOP or Moose for Assets | 22:53 |
Bernd_ | We could start with a simple plugin API for the CS. | 22:53 |
@preaction | in order to make Plugins even remotely useful | 22:53 |
Bernd_ | That would be a starting point. | 22:53 |
Bernd_ | It is going to be rewritten anyhow. | 22:53 |
Bernd_ | For the CS it should really be sufficient to allow plugins to register template variables and properties. | 22:54 |
@preaction | right, but how would they hook in? if you can write a proof-of-concept asset + plugin API, the argument might be a lot different | 22:54 |
@preaction | why stop there when aspects can do so much more? | 22:54 |
Bernd_ | The advantage of plugins is very simple: users do not have to touch the code, | 22:55 |
Bernd_ | but they gain a lot of flexibility. | 22:55 |
Bernd_ | Not everyone is a perl programmer. | 22:55 |
Bernd_ | Most people are actually not. | 22:55 |
Bernd_ | And it is quite difficult to extend WebGUI if you are not a professional. | 22:56 |
Bernd_ | Many people are even hesitant to touch the templates. | 22:56 |
Bernd_ | Now tell them to add some code. | 22:56 |
Bernd_ | Sure, you could say these are not interesting customers. | 22:57 |
@preaction | but they're not extending webgui, they'd be enabling someone else's extention. you could do the same thing by subclassing the CS | 22:57 |
Bernd_ | Again, you are talking about writing perl code. | 22:58 |
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@preaction | right, no matter what somebody has to write code | 22:58 |
Bernd_ | I am thinking about some kind of web interface where you can just check the plugins you need. | 22:58 |
Bernd_ | That is true. But the aspects are going to be written anyway. | 22:58 |
Bernd_ | Putting the extra-code into some plugin class should not be too difficult. | 22:59 |
Bernd_ | I just cannot see why it should be. | 22:59 |
@preaction | it would be substantially more difficult, just building the UI and the foolproofing | 23:00 |
nuxli | hey all | 23:00 |
@preaction | nuxli: hello | 23:00 |
nuxli | hows everyone today? | 23:00 |
SDuensin | Confused, but good. Hi. | 23:00 |
nuxli | anyone somewhere where its warm? | 23:00 |
@perlmonkey2 | nuxli: it is 60F here? | 23:00 |
nuxli | yep, Perl, thats warm!! | 23:01 |
SDuensin | Beats my 38F. | 23:01 |
nuxli | 20F here in Illinois | 23:01 |
SDuensin | Where in IL, nuxli? I'm down south near St. Louis. | 23:01 |
nuxli | sorry, 27F | 23:01 |
nuxli | northern, west of Chicago | 23:01 |
nuxli | which city by St L? | 23:02 |
nuxli | I'm in Downers Grove | 23:02 |
SDuensin | Not sure I'd call it a city. Little place called Smithton. (Who's web site will be in WebGUI soon!) | 23:02 |
nuxli | hmm, sorry don't know of smithton | 23:02 |
nuxli | I used to live in Carbondale. | 23:03 |
SDuensin | That's closer. :-) | 23:03 |
nuxli | haha yeah | 23:03 |
nuxli | ok, real reason I'm in here (not that I don't like the smalltalk) | 23:04 |
SDuensin | hehe | 23:04 |
SDuensin | Smalltalk is cool. Try Squeak.org! :-P | 23:05 |
nuxli | we have mysql running on a separate server than Webgui. I want to point it to another mysql server that we have copied the DB to. | 23:05 |
SDuensin | Ok. | 23:06 |
SDuensin | Just gotta change your confs. | 23:06 |
nuxli | I change the conf file in /data/WebGui/etc to use the new mysql server in the 'dsn' line at the end of the conf, but it still is attached to the original server, even after reboots | 23:06 |
SDuensin | Did you stop the current server? Maybe it's using the socket file to connect. I have that ANNOYING problem using GUI tools on my Mac. | 23:07 |
SDuensin | Dumb things always pick my default MySQL server - even if I specify the port for the WebGUI one. Grrrr. | 23:07 |
nuxli | but I've rebooted.. should I change it back to original, stop WebGui, change to new DB, then start WebGui? | 23:08 |
SDuensin | Rebooted what? Your WebGUI box? | 23:09 |
nuxli | yes | 23:09 |
SDuensin | But does MySQL start up after reboot on that box? | 23:09 |
Lisette | i have a question about thingy | 23:11 |
Lisette | how to do to make filters with thingy? i can do that? | 23:11 |
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+MrHairgrease | rizen: if you deploy more Bazaars on one site they share each others bazaar items in the overview | 23:17 |
+MrHairgrease | I guess that's not by design? | 23:17 |
+MrHairgrease | but rather a bug | 23:17 |
nuxli | SD, no, we have disabled mysql from running on the WebGui box. it has always run on a separate server, we just want to point WebGui to use a new mysql server now. | 23:20 |
@rizen | that's a bug | 23:20 |
SDuensin | nuxli - That's odd. :-/ | 23:20 |
@rizen | MrHairgrease: you have to understand that i developed the bazaar in 3 days (from scratch) and was really only concerned with it for webgui.org so it has zero polish or testing beyond the basics needed for that | 23:20 |
Lisette | anyone know why in a workflow i get the userdefined by database of a post and shows me of values of the previous post | 23:21 |
@rizen | since you're going to add some features to it, maybe i'll have to find some time during 7.7 dev cycle to polish it up and put it in the core. cuz there's also an RFE to put it in the core | 23:21 |
Lisette | ? | 23:21 |
nuxli | SD, there is more complexity to the whole issue, but i think at the just of it, that's essentially what we are doing. pointing it to a new DB server. the long version involves VMware and cloning. | 23:28 |
* SDuensin loves VMware. | 23:28 |
SDuensin | I'll crawl all over my install and see what I can learn, but my WebGUI install right now is being broken, er, upgraded. | 23:29 |
* Bernd_ is going to bed. Good night everyone. | 23:29 |
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nuxli | yeah, we broke ours yesterday, and fixed it with a DB restore, and VMware snapshot restore. and now thats why I'm cloning our setup into a test environment today! haha | 23:30 |
SDuensin | hehe | 23:30 |
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nuxli | SD there could be something else I am missing, but everythign looks correct. | 23:31 |
nuxli | It should only be that one place in the conf file to change the DB server, correct? | 23:31 |
SDuensin | I don't remember seeing a database setting outside the site's conf file. | 23:31 |
SDuensin | Vuja-de! | 23:31 |
@rizen | preaction: haarg tells me you have a recommendation on an SSH related perl module? | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen: I totally understand. I asked that question, so that I could fix it if it is a bug. | 23:33 |
@preaction | rizen: yes, Net::SSH2 | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | And that's also why I'm templating it and addin the features I emailed you about | 23:34 |
@rizen | MrHairgrease: just making sure you didn't think my code quality was going down hill =) | 23:34 |
@preaction | rizen: the problem is it requires libssh2, which our OS doesn't have. let me dig up the RPM i used if i can find it | 23:34 |
* SDuensin shudders at "RPM" | 23:34 |
@rizen | preaction: libssh2 on just the machine with the module? or all machines it connects to? | 23:34 |
@preaction | just the machine with the module | 23:34 |
+MrHairgrease | don't worry, I don't your code quality can sink even lower =) | 23:34 |
* SDuensin chuckles | 23:35 |
@rizen | that's not biggy preaction, i'll just compile it | 23:35 |
@preaction | k | 23:35 |
+MrHairgrease | but it is a bug then | 23:35 |
+MrHairgrease | good | 23:35 |
@rizen | preaction: why is it the best? | 23:35 |
+MrHairgrease | It'll be fixed | 23:35 |
@preaction | rizen: i couldn't get any of the other ones to work, period. but i was doing SFTP so that might have something to do with it | 23:35 |
@rizen | MrHairgrease: i know, my code quality is pretty low, but since bazaar was a rush job, i think it's even lower | 23:35 |
+MrHairgrease | ok I could live with that | 23:37 |
@rizen | preaction: i just need the ssh part handled for me, because on the other end i'll be attaching my own shell, so i'm just going to use ssh the way web sites use SSL | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | although it's a lame excuse =) | 23:37 |
@preaction | rizen: then perhaps Net::SSH::Perl will work. the biggest problems i ran into was installing them, since they require a lot of different Crypt:: modules (not all of which seem to work right) | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | another bug | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | crap | 23:41 |
SDuensin | Hey, when the upgrade to 7.6.5 does this: "Merging Template head blocks into the Extra Head Tags field." It ate some CSS. Is that just gone, or can I poke somewhere and find it? | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, it's in the extraHeadTags block now | 23:45 |
SDuensin | For that template, it says "None". :-/ | 23:46 |
@rizen | preaction: yeah, though the WRE has a lot of crypt modules already installed...and i'll be installing it into the WRE, so maybe that will help | 23:46 |
SDuensin | I can get it back from a backup. | 23:46 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, I'd love to have a copy of that template for debugging. | 23:48 |
SDuensin | All it had was a <style> tag and my CSS in the head box of 7.5.35. | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | what kind of template was it, which namespace? | 23:49 |
SDuensin | "style" namespace. It was my site's main template. | 23:50 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8929 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: added email customer and email server customers options | 23:53 |
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* SDuensin is *very* intrigued by rizen's SVN entries. | 23:54 |
@rizen | SDuensin: why is that? | 23:54 |
SDuensin | Sounds like you're building what I'm building. :-) | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin: according to the talk that we had in IRC, style templates don't use their extraHeadTags | 23:55 |
SDuensin | Hmm. Mine did. :-) | 23:55 |
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+perlDreamer | that's what the upgrade script does, it tosses them out if you have a style template | 23:56 |
@rizen | SDuensin: what are you building? | 23:56 |
SDuensin | rizen - I want WebGUI to run my entire empire. Including managing my DNS records, Email accounts, etc. | 23:56 |
@rizen | SDuensin: then i am building what you're building. Automat is Plain Black's be-all end-all hosting automation system | 23:57 |
SDuensin | Gonna license it? | 23:57 |
@rizen | and of course the user interface is just a webgui asset | 23:57 |
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@rizen | perhaps, but right now it's not at all pluggable. it's built specifically for our uses, so you'd have to set up your environment like ours to even use it | 23:58 |
SDuensin | That's the same kind of mess I wrote. :-) | 23:58 |
@rizen | the code is all out in our subversion repository if you want to have a look at it | 23:58 |
SDuensin | Might do that. Thanks. | 23:58 |
SDuensin | Mine currently uses existing WebGUI stuff + a few Things. A cron job pokes around the WebGUI database and modifies the server when things change. | 23:59 |
@rizen | automat definitely is not a mess. it's carefully written with wrappers to make it pretty easy to swap out back end systems eventually | 23:59 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - I had intended to make that style sheet it's own file. Guess now is a good time! | 23:59 |
@rizen | automat has a task queue so that the server need not "poll" to find out if there's anything to do | 23:59 |
SDuensin | rizen - Well, MINE is a mess. :-P | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin: always read the gotchas file | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | Immer | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | Siempre | 00:00 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - I thought I did. Guess I missed that. | 00:00 |
SDuensin | Oh well, no biggie. I keep backups! | 00:00 |
@rizen | also i didn't use a Thingy because i wanted more customization of the output...so i used WebGUI::Crud instead to build all the objects | 00:00 |
@rizen | for example, i have per-field level privileges | 00:01 |
@rizen | thingy isn't capable of that | 00:01 |
SDuensin | Well, you know just a *bit* more about the inside of WebGUI than I do at this point. :-P | 00:01 |
@rizen | true | 00:01 |
SDuensin | But I plan on gaining on you. :-P | 00:01 |
@rizen | so be it. | 00:01 |
@rizen | automat is going to erase plain black's biggest portions of technical debt | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | testing, documentation and i18n? | 00:02 |
SDuensin | Automation is a Good Thing(tm). | 00:02 |
@rizen | nope, i said plain black, not webgui pd | 00:02 |
@rizen | i just finished phase 3 of 7 planned, and already we've cleaned up a good bit of stuff | 00:04 |
@rizen | we had 80 mail servers set up that either never should have been set up, or were no longer needed. | 00:04 |
@rizen | over 100 domains we were hosting dns for that we don't need to | 00:04 |
SDuensin | Holy shit. | 00:05 |
@rizen | over 1000 dns records that were either no longer needed or should have never been set up | 00:05 |
@rizen | lots of cool clean up has happened as part of the data scrubbing efforts of the first 3 phases | 00:05 |
SDuensin | I can imagine. I remember the mess I found when I converted an ISP from one billing system to another. | 00:06 |
@rizen | oh yeah, and it turns out that we were still hosting 20 or so sites for one of our clients that they no longer wanted but forgot to ask us to shut down | 00:06 |
@preaction | haha nice | 00:06 |
@rizen | SDuensin: probably the coolest feature of automat is that it will allow us to manage servers that aren't even under our control | 00:11 |
@rizen | or rather that aren't in our hosting environment | 00:11 |
@rizen | we have many clients that host their own servers, but pay us to manage them | 00:11 |
SDuensin | That is very cool. | 00:11 |
@rizen | so the way i'm building this it will allow us to manage servers external to our hosting environment | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | anyone have thoughts about how to test for randomizing data? | 00:15 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: could you explain a bit further, out of context it doesn't make any sense to me | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | I have a subroutine that randomizes the array of data that has been sent to it | 00:16 |
@rizen | preaction: so far Net::SSH installed in 2 seconds flat on both linux and mac (in the WRE) | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | I'd like to see if it works or not | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | seems very problematic | 00:16 |
@rizen | Net::SSH2 i have to install that library for but shouldn't be a problem | 00:16 |
@preaction | rizen: Net::SSH::Perl you mean? | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | since in truly random data, the original order is a valid order | 00:16 |
@rizen | and Net::SSH::Perl is taking FOREVER to install due to the prereqs, but it seems to be working | 00:16 |
@preaction | then i don't know the problems I was having. i couldn't install Net::SSH::Perl because of some math lib that didn't work on OS X | 00:17 |
@rizen | well it may eventually crap out | 00:17 |
@rizen | but it is currently installing | 00:17 |
@preaction | Net::SSH was ungodly slow, too slow for spectre to use it in a workflow activity | 00:17 |
@rizen | taking about 15 minutes to go | 00:17 |
@preaction | but again, that was with SFTP | 00:17 |
@rizen | but it's working | 00:17 |
@rizen | yeah..haven't tried to use any of these yet | 00:18 |
@rizen | just trying to get them installed | 00:18 |
@preaction | took Net::SSH about a minute to negotiate keyexchange, connect, and login, but that might be a factor of the SSHD (a windows-based sshd) | 00:18 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: so you're randomizing the order of the array, not the data in the array, right? | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | right | 00:19 |
@rizen | well it seems like it will take multiple tests | 00:19 |
@rizen | 1) make sure you still have the same number of elements in the array after randomizing | 00:19 |
@rizen | 2) do a cmp_bag on it to make sure that the structures are different | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | cmp_bag will do that | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | both of those | 00:20 |
@rizen | 3) do a isIn() on the first element of the randomized array to see if it is in the original array (or vice versa) | 00:20 |
@rizen | i don't think it will pd | 00:20 |
@rizen | because we're looking to make sure they are *not* the same | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | cmp_set checks for array equality, cmp_bag just makes sure that the same elements exist in both | 00:21 |
@rizen | so we want the same number of elements, but the elements don't hold the same data | 00:21 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: but doesn't cmp_bag also make sure the elements are in the same order? | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | no | 00:21 |
@rizen | oh really | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | that's why I use it so much | 00:22 |
@rizen | wow i totally misunderstood that | 00:22 |
@rizen | well in that case i guess you only need two tests | 00:23 |
@rizen | 1) cmp_bag on both arrays | 00:23 |
@rizen | 2) make sure that position 0 in both arrays is not the same value | 00:23 |
Lisette | anyone know why in a workflow i get the userdefined by database of a post and shows me of values of the previous post? | 00:23 |
@rizen | though i guess since it's random, it could actually be the same value | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's the problem | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | one can check for same order | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | or not same order | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | but with random ordering, either is possible | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | just not with the same likelihood | 00:24 |
@rizen | got it | 00:24 |
@rizen | randomize it 3 times | 00:24 |
@rizen | because it's not very random if all three times it's in the same order | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | that's a good idea | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | it's very, very unlikely for that to happen | 00:25 |
@rizen | unless there are only 2 elements in your array | 00:25 |
@rizen | then it's quite likely | 00:26 |
@rizen | =) | 00:26 |
@rizen | so make sure you have 5 or so elements in your array | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | I thought about taking the Shawshank Script, and reducing to an array of characters and using that | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | but it would be big | 00:26 |
@rizen | preaction: Net::SSH::Perl just locks up trying to install, that's why it was taking so long...so you were dead on with that one | 00:27 |
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+perlDreamer | hm | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | we don't want to call cmp_bag on a big set of data | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | laptop is burning a hole through my levis | 00:56 |
SDuensin | hehe | 00:58 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: why not see if "sort @array eq randomize( sort @array )" | 01:00 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, that might be faster than cmp_bag | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | I just reduced the number of elements from 1499 to 49 | 01:01 |
@preaction | alternatively, if you just want to ensure that both arrays have the same elements, you could sort and compare | 01:01 |
@preaction | since it's Possible for a randomized array to equal exactly the array that went in | 01:01 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8930 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:27 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Tests for createSurveyOrder and shuffle. | 02:27 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: POD for several methods. | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI ships with 247 templates | 02:40 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8931 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 03:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add tests for nextSectionid, nextSection, currentSection. | 03:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: Add more POD to ResponseJSON | 03:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8932 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: fixing PayDriver_ITransact help | 03:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8933 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.6 release | 03:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8934 /experimental/Automat/ (bin/automatshell lib/Automat/Shell.pm bin): server shell protocol demystified | 03:17 |
@Haarg | oops on version number :/ | 03:26 |
@preaction | uhoh | 03:31 |
@Haarg | only in the commit message | 03:32 |
@Haarg | so it doesn't really matter | 03:32 |
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CIA-41 | WebGUI: jt * r8935 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.36-stable: Release 7.5.36-stable | 03:58 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: graham * r8936 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.37 dev | 03:58 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, what did I do to the ITransact help? | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | I ran the test on it and it came up clean | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I tweaked it more? | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | oh, I see | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | that's just embarrassing | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, I've looked into the WebGUI wikipedia issue about needing additional citations. | 04:58 |
@tavisto | yeah, what's the dealio | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | Wikipedia does not allow "original sources". In other words, you cannot refer to yourself as a citation | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | the only citations are back to webgui and plainblack | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | here's what ya need to do | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | Find every article on WebGUI on the net | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | the thing I wrote on Newsforge, ehab's article, et cetera | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | then use those as sources for various segments in the article | 04:59 |
@tavisto | some douchebag deleted our plain black listing.. said it was blatant advertising | 04:59 |
@tavisto | seems like a lot of work | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | it could be | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | they can be articles written by PB people and published in other places | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | that's fine | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | just need stuff outside the PB websites | 05:00 |
@preaction | you know it's the other CMS companies just trolling | 05:01 |
+perlDreamer | it's easy to find joomla articles | 05:01 |
+perlDreamer | and drupal articles | 05:01 |
@tavisto | alright, maybe I can get JT to have Tera work on that.. sounds really boring to me | 05:01 |
@tavisto | :) | 05:01 |
+perlDreamer | dude, it is so up your alley :) | 05:01 |
@tavisto | we've got a bunch of articles going out to a ton of publications thru this PR company we're working with | 05:02 |
@tavisto | if things go as planned, it's going to be great exposure for WebGUI and PB | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | see, those would be perfect to use | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | after they're published | 05:02 |
@tavisto | the other nice thing.. is the fact that we got our first approval for a success story with the DoS | 05:02 |
@tavisto | Doug, it's your baby... Alumni | 05:02 |
@tavisto | gotcha perldreamer, I'm just not interested in the task.. that's all | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | Y'all will have to salute Hillary when you see her, now | 05:03 |
@tavisto | But, I'm sure it's something Tera could bang out easily | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | print publications are okay, too | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | newspapers, magazines | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | not just online stuff | 05:03 |
@tavisto | yep these are | 05:03 |
@tavisto | Government Computing News | 05:03 |
@tavisto | University Business | 05:03 |
@tavisto | I'm scheduling a webinar with the editor of Website Magazine | 05:03 |
@tavisto | I guess it's a big publication | 05:03 |
@tavisto | we'll see. | 05:03 |
@tavisto | They use community server so I'm not selling them on a CMS.. but rather impressing them to get an article done on us | 05:04 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: patspam * r8937 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (45 files in 25 dirs): Merge branch '7.6.6-beta' into flux | 05:17 |
CIA-41 | WebGUI: colin * r8938 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Macro/AdminBar.t: a few AdminBar tests | 05:17 |
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daviddelikat | > use Perl Daily Newsletter | 05:32 |
daviddelikat | > In this issue: | 05:32 |
daviddelikat | > * Bulgarian Perl Workshop | 05:32 |
daviddelikat | road trip! | 05:32 |
daviddelikat | say is there a tool to pretty print the YAHOO js for easier debugging? | 05:34 |
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