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| daviddelikat | anybody know what exactly causes the blue site maintenance screen? and how to turn it off? | 00:25 |
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| daviddelikat | http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: it's in the site settings. check sbin/maintenanceMode.pl to see how it works (and how to turn it off) | 00:58 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks I figured it out... | 01:10 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9122 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backported old fix for Gallery pagination and layout in IE. | 03:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9123 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 18:27 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where the Album would try to delete assets that do not exist | 18:27 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: from its cache. This would cause various operations to fail, including | 18:27 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: the Asset Manager. | 18:27 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9124 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 18:27 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Forward port Album cache delete/DESTROY issue with non-existant | 18:27 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: keys in the cache. | 18:28 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9125 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (3 files): extra migration scripts | 01:15 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9126 /experimental/Automat/ (12 files in 4 dirs): | 03:02 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: added recent changes | 03:02 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: added stats | 03:02 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9127 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Site.pm Server.pm): added billing notification | 04:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9128 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: rearrange some things | 04:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9129 /experimental/Automat/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: more rearranging | 04:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: update notification | 04:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9130 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Help.pm: Fix a typo in the POD for Operation/Help. | 08:54 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9131 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: Add more characters that are legal in i18n keys. | 08:54 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9132 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Matrix.pm Help/Asset_MatrixListing.pm): Fix missing Help docs in the Matrix. | 08:54 |
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| SynQ | hey there BOB | 11:30 |
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| SynQ | happy new year | 11:30 |
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| SynQ | to all the guys at alphamega | 11:30 |
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| SynQ | from all the guys at procolix | 11:30 |
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| AMH_bob | Thank you very much! | 12:00 |
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| danny_mk | happy new year everyone | 17:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Happy new year, danny_mk! | 18:00 |
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| danny_mk | OK, got a question about the permission system. This ticket: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/can-see-edit-tab-even-tho-i-am-not-logged-in shows it as resolved | 18:09 |
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| danny_mk | however, I seem to have problems with the Visitor account having edit access to the wiki even when I have assigned a private group to the wiki | 18:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 18:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | which version of WebGUI? | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | and 2nd question, can you make a demo site do this? | 18:10 |
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| danny_mk | 7.5.34-stable | 18:11 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... I will upgrade to latest now | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that bug was fixed in 7.5.35 | 18:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, almost all (> 90%) of all bugs have the bug id in the changelog for easy searching | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Happy New Year, dionak. | 18:20 |
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| danny_mk | I looked through all the current bugs and there is no permission problem listed | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's been closed | 18:30 |
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| danny_mk | I upgraded to 7.5.37-stable and the visitor user still has edit capabilities on the Wiki pages and can see content placed on a private group | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, let me setup a 7.5.37 site | 18:31 |
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| danny_mk | you know the weird thing is that my upgraded site (been up 4 years) has no problem with permissions, the site I am having problems with is a new install | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | hmmm... | 18:33 |
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| danny_mk | The visitor on this new site has a bunch of "Pending versions" Visitor / 10/20/2008 8:30 am (Autotag) | 18:36 |
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| danny_mk | frustrating, but I don't want to look into the code, way too much work :-( | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I may know the problem | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I confirmed that an upgraded site works okay | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | now trying a new site | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | the problem is a package that didn't seem to get into the 7.5.35 release | 18:43 |
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| danny_mk | OK. I also tried a new site at: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1230913687_975/home/wiki-test/ | 18:43 |
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| danny_mk | and it seems to have the right behavior | 18:44 |
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| danny_mk | do you have a patch? | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can show you where to get it | 18:44 |
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| danny_mk | cool | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | this URL should get you the updated template that will hide the edit tab unless you can edit the wiki page | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.38/default-wiki-page.wgpkg?rev=9106 | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | just import that package and all should be well | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the problem itself will be fixed in 7.5.38 | 18:50 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... that will work for the wiki, but what about page permissions? | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't understand. Are you saying that Visitor is also allowed to view pages that he should not? | 18:57 |
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| danny_mk | yes, on this new site it does | 18:57 |
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| danny_mk | I tried the test website above and it does not have this problem | 18:58 |
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| danny_mk | let me try a couple of other things and I will let you know how it turns out | 18:58 |
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| danny_mk | thank you for your help | 18:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Just to double check. Create a new site (no upgrades). Add a wiki, set privacy to only Registered Users. Create a wiki page. Log out, view wiki as Visitor and visit the page. | 18:58 |
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| danny_mk | Damn, setting up a new site on the server works perfect | 19:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate infrequent, random bugs | 19:45 |
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| danny_mk | I have to dig into this issue deeper, I have put a lot of content on my established site | 19:46 |
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| danny_mk | don't want to do that again | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it was a permissions issue, then version control will save you | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | just delete any questionable versions | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it was a setup issue, you can use the AssetManager to change all the values at once | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think you're at too much risk | 19:46 |
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| danny_mk | Well, I aways do a full backup of the database and directory when I upgrade | 19:47 |
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| danny_mk | thank you for your help, at least now I know it is not WebGUI but an issue with that particular installation | 19:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you need more help, just holler | 19:48 |
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| danny_mk | thank you. later... | 19:48 |
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| +BartJol | happy newyear! | 20:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | Happy New Year, BartJol! | 20:46 |
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| +BartJol | tnx | 20:47 |
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| +BartJol | had a nice evening? | 20:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Went to a friend's house with wife and kids and watched Kung Fu Panda until late. | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | What did you do? | 20:48 |
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| +BartJol | I was in the Belgium woods, something with a lot of beer, must be surprising ;) | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | what, you _AND_ beer? No.... | 20:49 |
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| +BartJol | We were with some friends | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | you __AND__ friends and beer? | 20:49 |
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| +BartJol | I know, it's irresponsiible | 20:49 |
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| +BartJol | we only broke 5 glasses | 20:49 |
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| +BartJol | yesterday we spend getting rid of our hangovers, I didn't know hangover were like chins: you can have multiple of both | 20:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's just your liver and brain trying to get even | 20:52 |
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| +BartJol | have to go, there's food! | 20:53 |
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| * BartJol is eatinf | 20:53 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9134 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix preview of Image fields in the editThing screen. | 22:08 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9135 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: Thingy i18n for edit, delete buttons created in code. | 22:08 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9136 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: i18n Edit and Delete buttons created in code. | 22:08 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: translation * r9137 /translations/ (165 files in 3 dirs): Update from translation server | 22:37 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9138 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Form/Attachments.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): i18n the Attachments Form control | 23:36 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9139 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Calendar.pm Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm): Calendar i18n | 00:26 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9140 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm: I18n'ed a submit button in the manage transactions screen. | 00:26 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9141 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm: Fix a syntax error made in the i18n of the search button. | 00:26 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9142 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Only resize photos if they are larger than the Gallery resolutions. | 00:26 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9143 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backport gallery photo resolutions fix. | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, I'm not sure that "Send Queued Email Messages Every 5 Minutes" is any better than "Delete temp files older than 24 hours" | 00:26 |
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| patspam | hmm and i guess "daily/weekly/month maintenance" is pretty bad too | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, as preconfigured, default, comes with WebGUI they work okay, since what they say is what they do | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if they're reconfigured by the user then they could be misleading | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | however, they could also edit the title at the same time | 00:29 |
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| patspam | yeah, feel free to close that bug, i was just being pedantic | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's been a weird day for bugs | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | Found a bug in Data::Dumper | 00:30 |
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| patspam | ouch | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's just cosmetic. | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | it will alternately encode 8-bit characters as control characters, or as \x escapes | 00:31 |
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| patspam | this made me smile: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/01/ie6_on_the_way.html | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | any way we can extend that trend to IE*? ;) | 00:34 |
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| patspam | if only! | 00:34 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you have an example of that Data::Dumper issue? | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll email it to you. | 00:45 |
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| @Haarg | thanks | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | it just alternates between literal 8-bit characters, and 8-bit characters encoded as hex escapes. | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | the text works fine in both cases, but it's weird | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you able to see it as well, Haarg? | 00:52 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9144 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Remove the warnings pragma | 00:54 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9145 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Remove warnings pragma. | 00:54 |
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| @Haarg | it does fail yes | 00:54 |
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| @Haarg | part of that is because of Useqq | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you remove Useqq it just alternates differently | 00:58 |
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| @Haarg | what you sent doesn't have Useqq | 00:58 |
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| @Haarg | so adding it makes it closer | 00:58 |
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| @Haarg | but it is still different | 00:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:58 |
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| @Haarg | how was the first file generated? | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I snipped it by hand from the German translation | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | which I downloaded from the i18n server | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | see this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9308 | 01:02 |
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| @Haarg | it always wants to encode the chars the same way for me | 01:02 |
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| @Haarg | but the initial file has them in two forms | 01:03 |
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| @Haarg | it looks like it is switching Useqq on and off | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | internally? yes, it does. When it switches to the \x escape it has to use double quotes | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it happens even when items aren't touched | 01:04 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, i guess it isn't using Useqq, but it is using double quotes in some cases anyway | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, at first I thought that it was a Data::Dumper config problem, but after reading the docs I realized that there's no way to ask it to alter how it handles stuff. | 01:08 |
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| @Haarg | i think i figured it out | 01:12 |
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| @Haarg | it's not a data::dumper bug | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | clue me in, dude | 01:12 |
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| @Haarg | when it writes out the single quote version | 01:12 |
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| @Haarg | it doesn't have the utf8 character | 01:13 |
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| @Haarg | it has the byte string | 01:13 |
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| @Haarg | the utf8 pragma in the file that is written means they both versions are read as characters instead of byte strings | 01:13 |
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| @Haarg | it is getting translated to the byte string when it gets sent to and from the browser | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the test file, nothing is done to the data, but it still toggles back and forth | 01:14 |
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| @Haarg | does it? | 01:14 |
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| @Haarg | how are you testing that? | 01:15 |
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| @Haarg | it always wants to write the same thing for me | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | let me set up a test that goes through another iteration of import and export. In the full translation CGI, they go back and forth and back and forth | 01:15 |
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| @Haarg | hrm | 01:15 |
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| @Haarg | there is definately something screwy here i guess | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | you know, by looking at the file with vim, maybe something bad is happening... | 01:19 |
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| @Haarg | 'message' => 'Zur\xfcck zur Seite.' | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's the hex encoding for a wide character | 01:19 |
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| @Haarg | that doesn't make a lot of sense though | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | inside of a single quoted string? No. | 01:20 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if you cat the file, it looks fine | 01:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe it's just a display issue with Test::Differences | 01:20 |
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| @Haarg | i think it is | 01:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, on the 2nd iteration, everything passes | 01:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | which means that you were right earlier about the browser interaction | 01:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do we force UTF8 handling of the data from CGI->param? | 01:29 |
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| @Haarg | decode it ourselves | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | that will fix it in the script, do we also need a fixup script for the data that's currently in various encodings? | 01:30 |
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| @Haarg | it shouldn't matter really | 01:30 |
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| @Haarg | all of the data is valid, just in different forms | 01:30 |
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| @Haarg | once it is changed and committed once it should be the 'proper' format | 01:31 |
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| @Haarg | as long as we have utf8 headers in what we are sending out it should always come back as a utf8 byte string | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | what happens if it is already decoded? | 01:31 |
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| @Haarg | it won't be | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | setNamespaceItems($cgi->param("namespace"),$cgi->param("tag"),decode_utf8($cgi->param("message"))); | 01:32 |
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| @Haarg | looks about right | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's in there currently | 01:32 |
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| @Haarg | fun | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | do we need to encode it manually on the way out then? | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | since it's being decoded on the way in? | 01:34 |
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| @Haarg | i'm not sure | 01:35 |
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| @Haarg | with Useqq it sticks with the \374 form | 01:37 |
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| @Haarg | it still alternates without it though | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | iirc, I was still seeing some \x{fc} when UseQQ | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I didn't try that in the CGI | 01:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll do that now | 01:38 |
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| @Haarg | after a couple loops though it goes with \374 and stays there | 01:38 |
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| @Haarg | http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=28607 | 01:38 |
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| @Haarg | i guess it must be a bug | 01:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, in any case it's not harmful for the i18n server | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | just weird | 01:40 |
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| elnino | hi. I setup a store, using only cash, and I think someone mentioned this, but the only products I have are subscription, and someone said at one point that subscriptions can not be purchased with cash only stores. Was that fixed? I have 7.5.24 (I believe) | 04:36 |
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| elnino | Is there a way to setup the store to not track inventory? | 05:02 |
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| SynQ | would it be possible to run WebGUI on a 32MB NSLU2 arm system? | 00:58 |
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| SynQ | I wonder | 00:58 |
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| specsmu | hullo | 03:35 |
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| specsmu | I'm about to upgrade from version 6.8.6. Do I need to do all sorts of incremental upgrades, or can I follow the instructions? | 03:36 |
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| SynQ | yes | 03:37 |
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| SynQ | read the gotcha.txt | 03:37 |
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| specsmu | I take it I just asked a trick question. | 03:37 |
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| specsmu | what I'm asking is, I remember last time I did this, I had to do four different overwerites and upgrades in a row, or maybe more | 03:37 |
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| specsmu | if I just do the latest version and follow the instructions, I should be OK? | 03:37 |
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| SynQ | yes and no | 03:38 |
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| SynQ | you should read the gotcha.txt | 03:38 |
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| specsmu | I feel like I'm in Shroedinger's webgui. | 03:38 |
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| SynQ | and make damn sure you make backups | 03:38 |
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| SynQ | complete backups | 03:38 |
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| specsmu | backups alredy made. | 03:38 |
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| SynQ | 6.8.6 doesn't sound too bad to me | 03:39 |
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| specsmu | backed up the database, /home/WebGUI, and all of the wwwroots | 03:39 |
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| SynQ | perhaps there is something worth reading in the wiki about updates | 03:39 |
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| SynQ | and steps in between | 03:39 |
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| specsmu | well, here goes, I guess. at least I have backups. | 03:40 |
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| SynQ | good luck to you :) | 03:41 |
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| specsmu | thanks. I've been doing linux dministrationfor so long, this should only take me a day. | 03:41 |
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| specsmu | haha | 03:41 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 03:42 |
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| specsmu | "you need to upgrade to the latest 6.8 release before you can upgrade to 6.99" | 03:43 |
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| specsmu | oh, POO. | 03:43 |
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| specsmu | well, I hope you guys still have them... | 03:43 |
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| SynQ | sure | 03:43 |
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| SynQ | it's available | 03:43 |
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| specsmu | wow, where'd I get so many users from. :D | 03:46 |
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| specsmu | hope you don't mind if I sit around and make snarky comments while I do this, it makes it less stressful | 03:46 |
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| SynQ | go ahead | 03:47 |
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| SynQ | I love to be entertained :) | 03:47 |
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| specsmu | ahh, stephen sondheim | 03:47 |
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| specsmu | "let meeeee. entertain you..." | 03:48 |
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| specsmu | ok, upgrade to 6.8.9 starting | 03:48 |
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| specsmu | and there are some new gotchas btw that aren't documented. | 03:48 |
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| SynQ | did you clear the cache and the trash? | 03:48 |
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| specsmu | ehh. no. I gather I'm supposed to do that? | 03:48 |
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| SynQ | I reccomend it :) | 03:48 |
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| specsmu | I don't see instructions on how to do that. | 03:49 |
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| specsmu | looking.. | 03:49 |
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| SynQ | in the web interface | 03:50 |
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| SynQ | as administrator | 03:50 |
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| specsmu | ahhh. this is someone else's site, I haven't logged in in years | 03:50 |
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| specsmu | hehe | 03:50 |
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| SynQ | I don't envy you | 03:51 |
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| specsmu | me neither. :) | 03:51 |
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| specsmu | I don't envy the guy I'm upgrading once he sees the new admin colsole | 03:51 |
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| specsmu | I'm sure it's better, gbut it'll be a shock | 03:51 |
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| SynQ | it's different | 03:52 |
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| specsmu | heehee, I get tobe a BOFH while giving him what he's asking for | 03:52 |
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| SynQ | bastards are not really nice people though | 03:53 |
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| specsmu | didn't say I was | 03:53 |
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| specsmu | just that I can be mean and nice at the same time | 03:53 |
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| SynQ | I prefere the term LOFH | 03:53 |
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| SynQ | the Likable Operator From Heaven | 03:53 |
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| specsmu | that's no fun | 03:53 |
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| specsmu | harp --play | 03:53 |
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| SynQ | but it is | 03:53 |
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| specsmu | cloud --sit | 03:54 |
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| SynQ | you get to be liked and loved | 03:54 |
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| SynQ | ask colin :) | 03:54 |
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| specsmu | I've no idea how that feels | 03:54 |
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| specsmu | heh | 03:54 |
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| SynQ | Colin is one of TPBW | 03:55 |
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| specsmu | TPBW? | 03:55 |
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| specsmu | The Putatively Big Women? | 03:55 |
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| SynQ | hehehe | 03:55 |
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| SynQ | The People Behind WebGUI | 03:55 |
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| specsmu | oh. | 03:55 |
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| specsmu | I may have met him at SCALE | 03:56 |
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| specsmu | wow, load average 18... clearing the cache must be intensive. | 03:56 |
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| specsmu | more likely my machine is just way underpowered... they're going to put me on a faster one again tomorrow | 03:57 |
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| SynQ | do you use database caching | 03:57 |
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| SynQ | ? | 03:57 |
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| specsmu | I didn't think so, but apparently. | 03:57 |
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| SynQ | I'm going to go to bed soon | 04:01 |
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| specsmu | ok. | 04:01 |
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| specsmu | I guess I'll try to muddle this out | 04:02 |
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| specsmu | thanks for the help | 04:03 |
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| SynQ | my pleasure | 04:03 |
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| specsmu | well, this is lame. | 04:26 |
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| specsmu | internal server error and nothing at all getting dumped out to err. | 04:26 |
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| specsmu | ah, bit by POST_MAX again. | 04:31 |
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| elnino | HI. I'm looking at the navigation help in webgui, and wasn't seeing anything there that would help me count the number of children a page has. Is there a neat trick anyone knows? | 05:11 |
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| elnino | oh never mind. I should be using a different asset. | 05:12 |
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| specsmu | wow, what a mess. | 05:52 |
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| specsmu | !vi | 06:07 |
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| specsmu | oops | 06:07 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9146 /WebGUI/t/Session/DateTime.t: Update test to match fixed code. | 06:08 |
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| specsmu | wow, either I'm doing something spectacularly wrong or the 0.99.5 upgrade script is spectacularly broken. | 06:09 |
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| specsmu | looks like it's the former. | 06:16 |
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| specsmu | hah. | 06:16 |
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| specsmu | AND the latter. | 06:32 |
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| specsmu | Parse::PlainConfig apparently now requires a read() where it didn't before. | 06:33 |
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| specsmu | and JSON is farked up too. | 06:35 |
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| specsmu | wow. this is so messed up.. | 08:09 |
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| specsmu | heh, trying to update the asset before the assetIndex is actually added to the database... how did this upgrade *ever* work? | 08:38 |
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| specsmu | hi radix | 09:06 |
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| Radix__ | hi specsmu :) | 09:55 |
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| specsmu | wow, where'd you come from | 09:55 |
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| specsmu | oh | 09:55 |
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| specsmu | I want to go on record as saying this workflow stuff is confusing thecrap out of me | 09:56 |
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| specsmu | I committed something, the changes disappeared, I can't click "edit" anymore | 09:56 |
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| Radix__ | Hmm.. it means that the changes haven't been processed yet - which may just mean it's a bit slow (can take a few seconds perhaps so try a refresh) | 09:57 |
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| specsmu | does spectre process the changes? | 09:58 |
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| Radix__ | Alternatively, it may mean that spectre isn't set up properly | 09:58 |
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| specsmu | yeah... :P | 09:58 |
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| Radix__ | in which case check your webgui.log and see what's going on | 09:58 |
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| Radix__ | are you using the wre? | 09:58 |
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| specsmu | no, right now I'm just trying toget an old version upgraded toa slightly less old version | 09:58 |
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| specsmu | and let me tell you | 09:58 |
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| specsmu | the upgrade scipts are BROKEN | 09:58 |
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| Radix__ | what version? | 09:59 |
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| specsmu | 6.8.10 to 6.99.0 | 09:59 |
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| specsmu | I had to manually modify the perl scripts to get it to work | 09:59 |
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| specsmu | not to mention... | 09:59 |
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| specsmu | it does NOT like the new version of PlainConfig | 09:59 |
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| specsmu | I had to hack the code to make it work | 09:59 |
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| Radix__ | Hmm.. you prolly need to talk to the PB guys then.. there's a specific way of upgrading with the older versions and I can never remember what it is | 10:00 |
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| specsmu | yeah, I think I've muddled through it | 10:00 |
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| Radix__ | I'm using 7.0.8 at work myself | 10:00 |
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| specsmu | it wiped my templates but otherwise I got out unscathed | 10:00 |
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| specsmu | oh... I think it worked | 10:01 |
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| specsmu | oh good, and I can edit again. | 10:01 |
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| Radix__ | cool :) | 10:02 |
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| specsmu | webgui has just gotten moreand more complicated | 10:02 |
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| specsmu | sigh | 10:02 |
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| specsmu | I reallyregret ever touching it but now I'm stuck with it | 10:02 |
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| Radix__ | I wish upgrades were easier myself | 10:03 |
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| specsmu | I don't even have the hang of adminning it | 10:03 |
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| specsmu | my client wanted to give me some time back so he tried hiring someone to do some work on it | 10:03 |
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| specsmu | the person gave up in disgust | 10:03 |
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| specsmu | it was almost funny | 10:03 |
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| specsmu | I hope it's easier after the upgrades. | 10:08 |
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| specsmu | now THAT is odd. | 10:47 |
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| specsmu | for some reason, suddenly it can't create new files and directories, even though the permissions are correct | 10:48 |
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| specsmu | well, after I got to 6.99.5, it's been much more uneventful. | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can say that again | 00:20 |
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| specsmu | the upgrade from 6.8.6 to 6.99.5 is... TERRIBLE. | 00:21 |
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| specsmu | neither the upgrade code nor the actual code actually works out of the box on a modern system. | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | post bugs about it | 00:22 |
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| specsmu | and even 7.2.3 needs modifications for thelatest JSON | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | isn't that documented in the gotchas.txt file? | 00:22 |
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| specsmu | I don't think it's worth posting bugs for anything other thn the latest version | 00:22 |
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| specsmu | no. | 00:22 |
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| specsmu | maybe for newer versions. | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | 7.2.3 isn't supposed to work with the latest JSON | 00:23 |
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| specsmu | well, I made it | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | the JSON module went through an API rewrite which forced us to make changes to WebGUI | 00:24 |
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| specsmu | it's OK, I'm forcing the issue anyway | 00:24 |
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| specsmu | anything I have to do to make the pathwork | 00:24 |
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| specsmu | path work | 00:24 |
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| specsmu | heh, anyone who hasn't been doing this fro 12 years would probably be working on it into March. | 00:25 |
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| specsmu | if you just take out the autoconv and skipinvalid options anywhere they appear, it's enough to get it to working. | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's why I suggested posting a bug. if anyone else has to do this, you'd be helping them out | 00:27 |
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| specsmu | hmm. maybe I will.. | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | especially if you've already made workarounds for it | 00:28 |
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| specsmu | dunno if I'll remember every single one but I can probably do the major ones | 00:28 |
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| specsmu | I don't think WebGui needs enough perl modules. | 00:36 |
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| specsmu | there are still some written by a farmer in Elbonia that haven't been included. | 00:37 |
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| specsmu | oh wow, there's a farkup. | 00:45 |
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| specsmu | looks like 7.2.3 to 7.3.9 doesn't work. | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | specsmu: what's the hiccup there? | 01:25 |
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| specsmu | the upgrade from 7.2.3 to 7.3.0 requires a field that's not put in until 7.3.8-7.3.9 | 01:27 |
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| specsmu | have to do 7.3.8 first | 01:27 |
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| specsmu | well, so far the modern updates are working well. | 01:40 |
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| specsmu | looks like 7.5.37 is the limit, anything later appears to be broke. | 02:09 |
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| elnino | hi. I'm gettting a bunch of "Apache/mod_proxy on localhost is down and could not be restarted. | 06:51 |
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| elnino | " what should I be looking at? | 06:51 |
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| elnino | The messsages are coming to me via email from WRE. | 06:53 |
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| specsmu | should see why apache won't start. | 06:54 |
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| elnino | apache is running I believe it's the mod_proxy. When I do a ps-aux, there are more mod_proxy than there are mod_perl listed which seems weird to me. We've added more sites to the servers, so maybe there is a limit of concurrent mod_* that can be running? | 06:56 |
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| specsmu | maybe.. I don't know anything about mod_proxy | 06:56 |
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| elnino | I don't really either, it's part of the wre and it makes webgui "go" | 06:56 |
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| elnino | I have six /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start | 07:01 |
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| elnino | 10 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf | 07:01 |
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| elnino | 11 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf | 07:01 |
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| specsmu | have you looked in the error logs? | 07:01 |
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| elnino | yes, I have vague php errors without a date so I have no idea if they are releatd. | 07:02 |
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| elnino | that is in my apache error_log | 07:02 |
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| elnino | I haven't looked at the mod_proxy error log. going there now. | 07:02 |
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| elnino | mod proxy log only consists of warnings of "Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache]" | 07:04 |
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| elnino | mod perl is more interesting | 07:04 |
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| elnino | Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big | 07:05 |
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| elnino | exiting at SIZE=79864/100000 KB SHARE=1864/0 KB UNSHARED=78000/75000 KB REQUESTS=66 LIFETIME=13040 seconds | 07:05 |
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| specsmu | there you go. | 07:05 |
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| elnino | I have no idea what that means. other than somthing is too big... would you be able to point me to what settings I should be evaluating? | 07:06 |
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| specsmu | try finding documentation on Apache2::SizeLimit | 07:06 |
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| specsmu | it's probably something in the apache config | 07:06 |
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| specsmu | I don't know what though. | 07:06 |
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| elnino | ok. to google I go. | 07:07 |
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| +Radix-wrk | nah.. the sizelimit thing is normal | 07:15 |
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| specsmu | have you looked at the webgui error log? | 07:16 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it's set in apache itself to kill any apache2 processes that are getting too large (which they can do if there's memory leaks) | 07:16 |
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| elnino | I saw that in one of the threads on pb, but still looking around. | 07:16 |
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| elnino | I saw in an older mod_perl, that server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting | 07:16 |
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| elnino | that only showed up once. | 07:16 |
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| +Radix-wrk | the email you're getting is probably from the wremonitor | 07:16 |
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| elnino | yes | 07:16 |
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| specsmu | that just means requests might be dropped | 07:16 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it sounds like it's running.. just wremonitor is confused? | 07:17 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I haven't used the more recent versions.. but I've never been a big fan of wremonitor - never quite worked right for me | 07:17 |
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| elnino | right now, I'm stopping all services to see if there are any straggling processes around. Someone walked me thru this once before. Not sure exactly why I had to, but it "fixed" my problem then. | 07:17 |
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| +Radix-wrk | So apache won't start? | 07:18 |
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| +Radix-wrk | or mod-perl won't start? | 07:18 |
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| elnino | it's slow to stop them, still stopping. =) | 07:18 |
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| elnino | so something must be keeping it busy. I did this because I did notice in my webgui log | 07:18 |
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| elnino | ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - typeerrors. | 07:19 |
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| elnino | so something seemed to have gone amuck with spectre? | 07:19 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. sounds odd | 07:19 |
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| elnino | still stopping. wow. | 07:19 |
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| +Radix-wrk | sometimes a 'rm -rf /tmp/WebGUI' can help too | 07:20 |
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| +Radix-wrk | clears the cache | 07:20 |
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| +Radix-wrk | stop everything first tho | 07:20 |
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| elnino | ok. I'll do that after things stop... done! | 07:20 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it shouldn't be as much of an issue with the newer versions.. but I need to do that with 7.0.8 from time to time to keep things running smoothly | 07:21 |
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| elnino | yep. A bunch of /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf hanging out with services all stopped. I'm going to kill them. | 07:21 |
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| elnino | I hvae 7.5.24 | 07:21 |
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| +Radix-wrk | kill em off manually then | 07:21 |
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| +Radix-wrk | killall httpd | 07:22 |
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| elnino | spectre is still running... huh? | 07:22 |
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| +Radix-wrk | keep running that until all dead ;) | 07:22 |
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| +Radix-wrk | or ps and kill -9 each individual process | 07:22 |
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| elnino | I did a stop all and it said specre was stoppped.... weird. | 07:22 |
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| +Radix-wrk | something odd is going on | 07:23 |
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| elnino | the "tty" is "?" | 07:23 |
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| specsmu | that means it's a daemon. | 07:23 |
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| elnino | rather than a pts. | 07:23 |
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| elnino | oh. | 07:23 |
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| specsmu | daemons detach from a tty. | 07:23 |
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| elnino | ok. I ran "stop all" again. and all processes are gone. | 07:23 |
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| elnino | opps. except spectre | 07:23 |
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| elnino | STAT is "R" does that mean it's restarting on it's own? | 07:24 |
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| specsmu | no, that means it's Running. | 07:25 |
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| +Radix-wrk | kill it manually | 07:25 |
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| elnino | yep. done. starting all aain. | 07:25 |
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| +Radix-wrk | fingers crossed ;) | 07:25 |
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| elnino | yeah, seemed ike I had two "start alls" going or something. | 07:26 |
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| elnino | all looks well, still looking around. | 07:26 |
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| elnino | Hey thanks for being there with me! both of you.. | 07:29 |
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| +Radix-wrk | all good then? :) | 07:29 |
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| elnino | looks like thing are swell, and sites are speedy again. | 07:29 |
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| +Radix-wrk | good to hear | 07:29 |
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| specsmu | yw | 07:29 |
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| specsmu | though radix did most of the work :) | 07:30 |
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| elnino | noticed that my logs are rotating daily, is there a way to change the frequency? | 07:30 |
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| * Radix-wrk has no idea about logs. | 07:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | And it's good to know the same process I use with 7.0.8 still works with 7.5.24 | 07:31 |
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| elnino | that's fine, just thought I'd ask since I had your attention. =) I'll look on pb. | 07:31 |
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| elnino | it's weird with those extra processes. I wish I knew what caused them rather than just how to kill them. | 07:31 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I should upgrade this server to the latest webgui sometime, but it runs pretty well as is and had no major incentive to | 07:32 |
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| elnino | nice features? | 07:32 |
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| elnino | 7.0.8 - that's a long time ago. before my time. =) | 07:32 |
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| +Radix-wrk | elnino: what I think happened is that wremonitor lost the plot - thought apache/spectre was dead and restarted it | 07:32 |
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| elnino | but WHY? =) It was definately confused I agree. | 07:32 |
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| +Radix-wrk | no idea, sorry | 07:33 |
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| elnino | is there a way to disable wre? or modify what it double checks? | 07:33 |
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| elnino | I mean wremonitor? | 07:33 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. not sure with the new version | 07:34 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it used to be added to cron | 07:34 |
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| +Radix-wrk | check /etc/crontab or try su'ing to the webgui user and crontab -e | 07:35 |
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| elnino | ok... I came across this before.. And am a bit confused by it. I ALWAYS modify /etc/crontab. but if I do crontab -e the contents of the file is different. what's up with that? (wremonitor is in the "crontab -e") | 07:38 |
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| elnino | is one a user's crontab? | 07:38 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah | 07:38 |
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| +Radix-wrk | crontab -e is a users crontab | 07:38 |
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| elnino | well, I'm root. | 07:38 |
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| +Radix-wrk | root is a user too | 07:38 |
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| elnino | so "whos" is the /etc/crontab. I thought that would be roots... | 07:39 |
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| +Radix-wrk | nah, it's not anyones - it's the systems I guess | 07:39 |
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| elnino | so where is root's crontab located? there is nothign in home or ~ or /usr | 07:40 |
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| +Radix-wrk | not sure actually | 07:41 |
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| +Radix-wrk | cron stores it somewhere obviously | 07:41 |
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| elnino | ok... well. now I know.... Thanks! | 07:41 |
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| elnino | to google I go. | 07:42 |
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| elnino | /var/spool/cron/crontabs supposedly | 07:42 |
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| elnino | and there it is. | 07:42 |
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| elnino | ok. that is enough fun for today. now I get to document. Thanks! Have a good evening! | 07:44 |
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| +Radix-wrk | enjoy :) | 07:46 |
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| specsmu | well, me go too. upgrade is done and I hope I don't have to touch webgui for a while. | 07:57 |
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| specsmu | later | 07:57 |
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| * Radix-wrk waves. | 07:57 |
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| AMH_bob | Hi everybody, | 16:31 |
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| AMH_bob | Happy New Year! | 16:31 |
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| AMH_bob | Last week somebody wished me one, but work started to hit the fan right after that and I did not get to finish the chat. | 16:32 |
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| +BartJol | happy new year AMH_bob | 16:36 |
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| AMH_bob | tnx BartJol | 16:38 |
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| AMH_bob | same to you!!! | 16:38 |
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| +BartJol | thanx | 16:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hail, hail, the gang's all here | 17:37 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: So my wife is reading through her email today and asks me if I want to host a 22 year old Belgium girl for the semester........... | 17:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | Do you speak Belgium-ese? | 17:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: nope, not a bit. | 17:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | in that case, maybe pass | 17:40 |
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| +BartJol | well, if she's not french speaking I should be able to translate | 17:40 |
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| * deafferret dreams of two monkeys | 17:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, no matter what, I'll pass. Having a 22 year old girl living here and making use of the pool would not be conducive to a successful marriage :P | 17:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, you are wise :) | 17:42 |
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| +BartJol | even though your wife makes the proposition? | 17:42 |
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| deafferret | perlmonkey2: ya, what BartJol said :) | 17:42 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Just me, my friend, she did not make that proposal in earnest. Merely a test, and I passed. | 17:42 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | s/Just/trust/ | 17:43 |
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| +BartJol | ah | 17:43 |
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| +BartJol | she are evil | 17:43 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:43 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: her and the rest of the women in the world :P | 17:43 |
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| deafferret | turn the tables -- be insulted that your wife has so little faith in you | 17:43 |
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| * SDuensin will host! :-) | 17:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | deafferret: there is only one rule of marriage that I've found to be accurate. She is always right, even when she is wrong, you are also wrong. | 17:44 |
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| +BartJol | darn, we sound like frustrated nerds | 17:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | :P | 17:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: I think you need to live in the area to host. But it might be worth moving here for a semester :P | 17:44 |
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| deafferret | of course I'm frustrated. I'm married. | 17:44 |
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| SDuensin | hhehe | 17:45 |
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| AMH_bob | I'm still happy my wife is letting me go to the WUC again this year! | 17:46 |
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| +BartJol | mmm and why is my the karma macro executed in a profile field from one user and not the other.... | 17:48 |
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| +BartJol | mmm the caret is escaped | 17:52 |
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| @rizen | it sounds like you guys all just have terrible wives. =) | 17:56 |
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| deafferret | like Ivan the Terrible? | 17:57 |
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| SDuensin | No, but there's always room for 22 year old hotness! | 17:57 |
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| +BartJol | I don't have one... but to move to the US for a smester just to host a girl... no | 17:57 |
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| +BartJol | mmm I feel like catching eels with that caret, it keeps escaping | 18:02 |
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| SDuensin | Hey, while people are here, I want to argue about JSON in the database some more. :-) | 18:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: Did you find your double variant problem? | 18:13 |
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| SDuensin | Not yet. :-( | 18:14 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, now I'm really confused... | 18:16 |
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| SDuensin | I edited one of the duplicate variants. Now they're no longer the same, but the one I edited doesn't appear in the drop down to purchase it. | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | he, is there a new PB person in town? We don't take kindly of strange people | 18:25 |
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| @preaction | BartJol: now now, we don't want no trouble | 18:25 |
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| +BartJol | :) | 18:26 |
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| @preaction | everybody give plainhao a nice, gooey welcome | 18:26 |
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| SDuensin | Ewww | 18:26 |
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| +BartJol | just introduce! then he/she is welcome | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, plainhao! | 18:26 |
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| +BartJol | but welcome plainhao | 18:27 |
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| @plainhao | hi, everybody! | 18:27 |
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| @plainhao | today is my first day, hopefully not my last :) | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | plainhao: recipe for PB success. Don't tell rizen that he sucks. | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | and don't mention the P word in channel | 18:29 |
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| +BartJol | and don't mind if he does it to you | 18:29 |
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| +BartJol | Perl? | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, the other P word | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, there may be several | 18:29 |
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| * plainhao appreciates all the advice and will follow accordingly. | 18:30 |
| @preaction | i suppose introductions will be in order, I'm Doug whom you've spoken to before | 18:32 |
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| +BartJol | I'm a Bart, a Dutchie | 18:32 |
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| +BartJol | s/a/the/ | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bart is a perl programmer, and does the majority of the Dutch translation | 18:33 |
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| @preaction | the as-mentiond rizen is JT Smith. Haarg is Graham (support and R&D expert). khenn is Frank (you've spoken to him as well) | 18:33 |
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| +BartJol | perl programmer? that might be a bit to much credit | 18:34 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer is the test hero | 18:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | it does not matter how far along the path you are, only that you are on the path | 18:34 |
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| +BartJol | and his name is Colin | 18:34 |
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| @preaction | tavisto is Tavis Parker, the marketing guru. steveo_aa is Stephen Opal, Alumni expert (and Perl / JS developer) | 18:34 |
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| * SDuensin is the #1 WebGUI Fan. | 18:35 |
| @tavisto | Hi Hao, welcome aboard | 18:35 |
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| @preaction | as for the rest, i shant violate their privacy | 18:35 |
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| @tavisto | preaction = the man with one hand | 18:35 |
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| @plainhao | thanks, tavis, i hope you're not in too much pain | 18:36 |
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| @plainhao | oh, wait, it was doug who broke his hand :) | 18:36 |
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| @tavisto | yep :) | 18:36 |
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| @preaction | yeah, the codiene helps, but leaves me wondering what's happening at any given moment | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, have you been breaking the developers again? | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I keep telling you that you won't be allowed to play with them if you do... | 18:37 |
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| @preaction | nono, tavis doesnt hit me, i... i... fell down some stairs | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | just have a fudge oat bar and some tylenol, preaction | 18:39 |
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| @preaction | tylenol 3! its better than tylenol 1 and 2 | 18:39 |
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| @plainhao | do you guys use the latest development version for client work, latest beta, or latest stable? | 18:39 |
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| +BartJol | tavisto: if you do, your trip to the netherlands will be long and painfull | 18:40 |
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| +BartJol | latest stable | 18:40 |
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| +BartJol | or older, but that's due to laziness in the past | 18:40 |
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| @tavisto | yeah, preaction rarely disobeys, but when he does the penalty involves a hammer and his fingers.. | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | plainhao, it depends on what the client wants | 18:41 |
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| @tavisto | BartJol is next on the list. He is a big girly man! | 18:41 |
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| +BartJol | girly? I don't take that from metroman | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, BartJol would bend you in a nice, tight, Michgander pretzel shape | 18:42 |
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| +BartJol | but I'd rather not | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, we really do like tavisto | 18:42 |
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| @tavisto | BartJol looks mean (not really) but is actually just a nice big buzzed teddy bear | 18:43 |
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| +BartJol | I do have a scary picture of me somewere though | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's on webgui.org | 18:44 |
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| +BartJol | smiling with a razor at the ready | 18:45 |
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| +BartJol | no it's not there | 18:45 |
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| @tavisto | hehe nice | 18:46 |
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| * perlDreamer is not used to seeing BartJol with hair | 18:48 |
| +BartJol | you should be after last WUC | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, you were shaven then, yes? | 18:49 |
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| +BartJol | my face was, and I had a haircut | 18:50 |
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| +cap10morgan | hey, i have a client who wanted to setup a photo gallery on their website. i encouraged them to use the photo gallery tool (their site is running on wG 7.5), but he gave me a list of shortcomings he'd found w/ it that are showstoppers for his using it for this. he wants to use something else now, but i wanted to put his list up somewhere so the wG community could try tackling them (either w/ code, clever ideas, or whatever). What's the best pl | 19:26 |
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| dionak | sounds like RFE's | 19:27 |
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| +cap10morgan | that's what I thought too | 19:27 |
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| SDuensin | I hate this database table. Hate it. HATE HATE HATE it. | 19:48 |
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| * SDuensin refers to "Product". | 19:48 |
| * perlDreamer won't take it personally | 19:49 |
| SDuensin | I even filed an RFE. rizen denied it in record time. | 19:49 |
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| SDuensin | Seriously. How is JSON in the database even remotely a good idea? (No offense.) | 19:50 |
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| @rizen | SDuensin: it is good for a number of reasons | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | it allows versioning of collateral | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | it exports and packages and prototypes by default | 19:50 |
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| SDuensin | So does another table. | 19:50 |
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| @rizen | but the primary reason that basically gets rid of all other arguments is the one pd just stated | 19:50 |
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| @rizen | SDuensin: no it doesn't | 19:51 |
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| SDuensin | Why not? It could. | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer neglected to use the world "automatic" | 19:51 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | we get it for free | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | no additional work | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | it just works | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | anything else requires extra development effort, not to mention knowledge of the other subsystems that might use it | 19:51 |
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| SDuensin | So we take bad database design when it lets us be lazy? That's a dangerous precedent. | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | versioning, prototypes, packages, or anything else that comes in the future | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | no SDuensin you're not seeing the picture here | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | this isn't about laziness | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | it's about compatibility | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | we design our objects to work with all these other features | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | not to work with the database | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | the user doesn't care about the database | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | the user cares that all their features work the way they exepct | 19:53 |
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| SDuensin | I know the user doesn't, but the admin does. | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | they want their products and all their variants to be versioned | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | and the admin cares about that too | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | the admin also doesn't care about the db | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | only the programmer does | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | and so the programmer has to make a sacrifice for the sake of the user and secondarly the admin | 19:54 |
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| SDuensin | Well mine has become a complete disaster. | 19:54 |
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| @rizen | and that's why the decision has been made | 19:54 |
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| SDuensin | (And I used the API!) | 19:54 |
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| @rizen | you either used it inapproriately, or we have not documented it well enough, or there is a bug, or all of the above | 19:55 |
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| @rizen | regardless | 19:55 |
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| @rizen | it has nothing to do with the choice to use json in in a table | 19:55 |
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| SDuensin | But the JSON makes it practically unfixable. | 19:55 |
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| @rizen | *you* should not care how the data is stored unless *you* are the one writing the product asset | 19:55 |
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| @rizen | which you are not | 19:55 |
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| SDuensin | No, but this started when I had to set all my products to an insane quantity to get them to show up. | 19:56 |
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| SDuensin | Now I have duplicates of everything. | 19:56 |
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| SDuensin | Except, only kinda. Which is what hurts my head. | 19:56 |
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| @rizen | SDuensin: you can sit and bitch and whine if you want, but i won't participate in that discussion. you wanted to know why your RFE was rejected, and that's what i'm responding to | 19:56 |
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| SDuensin | I see dupes in the admin area where you can edit variants, but not in the drop down where the user selects one to purchase. | 19:57 |
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| SDuensin | Sorry if it sounds like bitching. I just think it's the wrong approach and wanted to debate it a bit. You've got damn good reasons. It's just going to require me (and others) to write a ton of scripts to manage their stores efficiently. | 19:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, maybe we just need a product with variants that do not do inventory control. | 19:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd be happy to write such a beast for you | 19:59 |
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| SDuensin | Well, that'd fix one problem. My main hangup right now (other than fixing my dupes) is "sizes"... | 20:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | sizes? | 20:00 |
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| SDuensin | I know variants are intended for that, but here's the problem... | 20:00 |
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| SDuensin | Say I have a ring that's available in silver and gold, wide and narrow... | 20:00 |
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| SDuensin | That's four variants of one product... | 20:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes... | 20:01 |
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| SDuensin | Now the ring comes in two dozen different sizes. My drop down now has almost a hundred items in it! | 20:01 |
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| SDuensin | See how it gets out of hand very quickly? | 20:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but like you said, it's a different problem, and I can only tackle one at a time | 20:03 |
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| SDuensin | I understand that. I've considered a few hacks to fix it... | 20:04 |
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| SDuensin | Either allowing arbitrary data to be entered when they are viewing the product, or just a quick hack to put a general comments field on the cart during check out. | 20:04 |
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| * SDuensin already hacked his own Shelf to fix pagination. | 20:05 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: put in RFE's for either scripts or UI based controls that do these maintenance functions | 20:05 |
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| SDuensin | rizen - Will do. I figured the need for them would go away over time as the new shop becomes more mature. | 20:06 |
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| @rizen | SDuensin: also put in RFE's for API enhancements to make writing said scripts easier and less error prone | 20:06 |
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| @rizen | the shop becomes mature through RFE's | 20:06 |
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| SDuensin | And after I manage to get out from under this site, I plan on doing some of this work myself. And other fun WebGUI things! | 20:06 |
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| @rizen | until we know what walls people are running into it's hard to remove the walls | 20:06 |
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| SDuensin | I know. I just like to understand the wall before I RFE something or report it as a bug. You guys have enough work without me filing half-baked reports. | 20:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd rather sort through half-baked bug reports than have people being frustrated with unreported bugs | 20:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | and don't forget, _I'm_ responsible for the Shelf pagination thing. | 20:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was wrong in considering it a bug, when it was an RFE. | 20:09 |
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| SDuensin | :-P | 20:09 |
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| SDuensin | That one was easy. | 20:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Have Thingy check for existance of table and column to prevent | 20:25 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: SQL from dying. | 20:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: mountains of i18n coming when 7.6.8 is released | 20:47 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, you told me | 20:48 |
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| +BartJol | when is that due? | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | this week, I think | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry, man. | 20:49 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, and I'm already behind | 20:49 |
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| +BartJol | hee, not your fault, you're just doing your thing | 20:49 |
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| bernd__ | Hey everyone, | 20:49 |
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| bernd__ | I just posted some questions on JeOS. | 20:49 |
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| bernd__ | Were these readable? | 20:49 |
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| bernd__ | I was experiencing network problems on my side? | 20:50 |
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| +BartJol | JeOS? | 20:50 |
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| bernd__ | Hi perlDreamer, hi BartJol, btw. | 20:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, bernd__ No JeOS stuff from you so far, today | 20:50 |
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| bernd__ | Ok. I see. | 20:50 |
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| bernd__ | So I am going to repeat. | 20:50 |
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| bernd__ | I was thinking about creating a new appliance based on JeOS. | 20:50 |
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| bernd__ | A more light-weight appliance than the one that is available. | 20:50 |
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| bernd__ | JeOS is a special flavor of the Ubuntu server edition. | 20:51 |
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| +BartJol | oh, first I have to write a mail to the guy that made a loosy report on the state of my new house | 20:51 |
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| bernd__ | I is specially designed for running inside virtual machines. | 20:51 |
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| +BartJol | oh, prolly my opninion in that matter isn't worth that much | 20:51 |
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| +BartJol | ah, but that might be interesting for me | 20:51 |
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| bernd__ | So, tell me your wishes. | 20:51 |
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| +BartJol | we have quite some of those, but most run on debian | 20:52 |
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| bernd__ | What should it come with by default? | 20:52 |
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| bernd__ | I was thinking of JeOS, because it is very small and William had mentioned it before. | 20:52 |
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| bernd__ | That was during the discussion about whether to package wre tools separately. | 20:52 |
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| +BartJol | well, I should dive in it for a bit before I can form an opinion | 20:53 |
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| bernd__ | Besides, there are packages for ubuntu now available. | 20:53 |
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| +BartJol | sorry, but my new house is a main priority bbl | 20:53 |
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| bernd__ | BartJol, no problem! | 20:53 |
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| bernd__ | If I had a house it would be my priority as well :-) | 20:54 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, any comments? | 20:54 |
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| * perlDreamer likes fedora :( | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | is JeOS different from Knoppix? | 20:54 |
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| bernd__ | Even on Servers? | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | even on servers | 20:54 |
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| bernd__ | No idea. | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been a red hat user for a very long time | 20:55 |
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| bernd__ | I do not know knoppix. | 20:55 |
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| bernd__ | I just know Debian and Ubuntu. | 20:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if red hat/fedora is not available, ubuntu would be my next choice | 20:55 |
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| bernd__ | My site is running on ubuntu server and I quite like it. | 20:55 |
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| @tavisto | bernd__ I have communicated with several Canonical employees about getting WebGUI into Ubuntu. There is some interest (and they were considering using wG to run the Ubuntu website) but the guys seem to be extremely busy and limited on time. | 20:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've heard lots of good things about Ubuntu. | 20:55 |
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| bernd__ | It is very need. | 20:55 |
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| bernd__ | It has the power of Debian testing but is a lot more stable. | 20:56 |
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| bernd__ | At least it was in the past. | 20:56 |
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| bernd__ | That is the reason why I switched from Debian to ubuntu. | 20:56 |
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| @tavisto | let me look up my last email b/c they mentioned how if we had interested contributors then it could be done fairly easy | 20:56 |
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| bernd__ | tavisto, have you seen the new packages by jmarsden? | 20:57 |
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| @tavisto | no, I did briefly see the emails on the dev list though | 20:57 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, check this one about JeOS: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos | 20:57 |
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| @tavisto | This is a response I received from Malcom Yates @ canonical: Because it is GPL'd we can provide access to Ubuntu users through the Partner | 20:58 |
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| @tavisto | repo, but a pre-req for this is that there is a deb available, and that the | 20:58 |
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| @tavisto | deb passes our quality and build standards. We can help with that for a | 20:58 |
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| @tavisto | charge. | 20:58 |
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| @tavisto | If you had a MOTU, someone with commit rights to the Ubuntu Universe | 20:58 |
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| @tavisto | repository, then this would enable you to add and maintain with no recourse | 20:58 |
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| bernd__ | tavisto, he has published ubuntu packages for intrepid ibex based on the ones by ernesto! | 20:58 |
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| @tavisto | to Canonical :-) | 20:58 |
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| @tavisto | MOTU is Master Of The Universe | 20:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like the sound of that | 20:59 |
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| bernd__ | I would assume that packages which make it into Debian are good enough for Ubuntu as well. | 20:59 |
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| * perlDreamer is a MOTWU | 20:59 |
| @tavisto | well that's what he stated above | 20:59 |
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| @tavisto | the deb has to be available | 20:59 |
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| @tavisto | and then it must meet their standards. Ernesto told me his code is way beyond the standards anyway | 20:59 |
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| bernd__ | But is available already! Check http://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive | 21:00 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Fix problems created by deleting a linked thing. Added additional error messages | 21:00 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: and a general method for checking the other thing. | 21:00 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9153 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_DataForm.pm): Backporting dataform template variable (captcha) fix. | 21:00 |
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| bernd__ | The only problem I see is that it is still a monolithic package. | 21:01 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, did you check the page on JeOS? | 21:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, I'm fixing bugs | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll look soon, though | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | sounds nice. The best thing for wG would be no apache, no mysql, no mod_perl | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I didn't see a list of packages | 21:05 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, list of packages? | 21:06 |
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| bernd__ | You mean, packages that are available for installing on JeOS? | 21:06 |
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| bernd__ | Again having network problems. | 21:08 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, did my last replies get through? | 21:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be good to see the default list of packages | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | it will be a choice between WRE (optimized for wG) and good packages (optimized for sysadmin) | 21:12 |
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| bernd__ | Available packages are listed on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 21:12 |
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| bernd__ | I do not know, which ones are installed by default. | 21:12 |
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| bernd__ | But the server edition is very light-weight and only comes with a minimum. | 21:13 |
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| bernd__ | Everything else needs to be apted in. | 21:13 |
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| bernd__ | Why choose between WRE and admin packages? | 21:13 |
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| bernd__ | We could use both. | 21:14 |
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| bernd__ | One tool for managing WebGUI, one for the rest. | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, but the WRE versions of apache, perl and mysql are all stripped down for maximum performance | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | and native ubuntu/debian packages may not be | 21:14 |
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| bernd__ | Since canonical provides a server edition of ubuntu, I would bet there packages are optimized for performance as well. | 21:15 |
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| bernd__ | their packages | 21:16 |
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| bernd__ | Still, we could modify configuration. | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | true. When I say stripped down, I mean they only compiled into the WRE only what wG needs. | 21:16 |
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| bernd__ | But if you preferred the WRE, we could start with the WRE in the beginning. | 21:17 |
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| bernd__ | That's what I am doing on my V-server. | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | for example, I'm fairly sure that a WRE mysql only includes the database driver for ISAM tables | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | so no transactions | 21:17 |
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| bernd__ | Would that be a problem? | 21:18 |
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| bernd__ | I mean, it is only disk space. | 21:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is true | 21:18 |
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| bernd__ | And probably not that much. | 21:18 |
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| bernd__ | JeOS is only 300 Mb in its minimum installation. | 21:18 |
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| bernd__ | I think, we could waste a bit. | 21:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I remember it being a point of discussion with SquOnk as a package maintainer, but it's probably minor | 21:19 |
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| bernd__ | But again, there is no reason not to use the WRE. | 21:19 |
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| bernd__ | Do you think there would be some interest in a new appliance? | 21:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe | 21:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd ask on the dev list | 21:20 |
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| bernd__ | Or better, what would it have to come with to be interesting to others. | 21:20 |
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| bernd__ | What would be your wish list. | 21:20 |
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| bernd__ | ? | 21:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | easy deployment for a new vm | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure, I haven't done much thinking about VM's | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ has done a lot of thinking about it though, as I'm sure that rizen and the other hosters have. | 21:22 |
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| bernd__ | Deployment is probably rather a matter of the virtualization environment? | 21:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:22 |
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| +BartJol | SynQ isn't online that much anymore. You could try to send him a rpivate message via the webgui.org | 21:23 |
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| bernd__ | I am going to search for his name in the forum. | 21:24 |
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| +BartJol | it's koen | 21:24 |
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| bernd__ | Maybe, he has some good advoice. | 21:24 |
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| bernd__ | SynQ is koen? | 21:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:24 |
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| +BartJol | I don't think thatsynq exists in the website | 21:24 |
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| bernd__ | Ah, koen I know. | 21:24 |
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| bernd__ | Thanks! | 21:24 |
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| +BartJol | np, you can bother him as much as you want, the lesser he is bothering me ;) | 21:25 |
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| +BartJol | (he's my boss) | 21:25 |
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| bernd__ | BartJol, I am going to re-active my spam daemon! | 21:26 |
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| bernd__ | Haven't used it in a while. | 21:26 |
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| +BartJol | :) | 21:26 |
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| +BartJol | whoa, full house, new years spirit? | 21:31 |
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| * SDuensin is always here. :-) | 21:31 |
| * perlDreamer suspects that SDuensin is really just an augmented bot. | 21:37 |
| khenn_ | I'm just here so I can get my drama fix | 21:37 |
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| khenn_ | =) | 21:37 |
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| * crythias1 just wants everything he asks for. Right now. | 21:38 |
| * SDuensin is a bot that can write bots then. | 21:39 |
| SDuensin | Is that life? | 21:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: Given that it is a proven fact that I always lie, if I state that I am lying what is the result? | 21:40 |
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| SDuensin | That puzzle leads to alcohol. | 21:40 |
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| +crythias1 | hrm. while (FALSE==FALSE) do ; | 21:40 |
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| +BartJol | alcohol? where?\ | 21:40 |
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| * SDuensin always has *some* kind of booze ready to roll. | 21:42 |
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| SDuensin | cap10morgan! That's alcohol! | 21:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, you certainly sound alive, yet not sober, to me | 21:42 |
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| SDuensin | Unfortunately, the most potent thing I've had today was a hot cup of Earl Grey. | 21:44 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, maybe I should move to something else than water | 21:45 |
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| dreamersgirl | it's gotta be noon somewhere in the world... | 21:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's after noon in BartJol's house | 21:48 |
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| +BartJol | far after noon | 21:48 |
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| +BartJol | you could call it evening | 21:48 |
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| +BartJol | hee dreamersgirl, how're you doing? | 21:49 |
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| dreamersgirl | good! | 21:49 |
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| +BartJol | nice | 21:49 |
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| dreamersgirl | how 'bout you? | 21:49 |
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| +BartJol | well, busy with my new house | 21:49 |
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| +BartJol | so good | 21:49 |
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| dreamersgirl | new house!?! | 21:49 |
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| +BartJol | indeed | 21:49 |
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| dreamersgirl | fun! | 21:49 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, I've got pictures | 21:50 |
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| dreamersgirl | oooh | 21:50 |
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| bernd__ | How do we know you are not cheating? | 21:50 |
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| +BartJol | http://www.bartjol.nl/home/nieuw-huis | 21:50 |
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| +BartJol | me? cheating? | 21:50 |
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| bernd__ | Ah, definitely not cheating :-P | 21:50 |
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| dreamersgirl | nice place! | 21:51 |
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| +BartJol | nope, it's really real | 21:51 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, lot to be done though | 21:51 |
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| dreamersgirl | congrats | 21:51 |
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| bernd__ | No, I meant showing some impressive place instead. | 21:52 |
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| +BartJol | thanks | 21:52 |
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| +BartJol | ah, like buckingham palace or the white house | 21:52 |
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| bernd__ | In any case, much better than the 30 m2 I have at the moment. | 21:52 |
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| +BartJol | ah, it will be 60 m2 | 21:52 |
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| bernd__ | You should not exaggerate! Otherwise it is too obvious. | 21:52 |
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| +BartJol | 60 isn't that big | 21:53 |
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| bernd__ | That sounds reasonable. | 21:53 |
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| bernd__ | Single? | 21:53 |
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| +BartJol | yup | 21:53 |
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| bernd__ | Sufficient. | 21:53 |
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| +BartJol | but I plan to have a polygamous commune after may | 21:53 |
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| bernd__ | Tolerant neighbors? | 21:53 |
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| +BartJol | dunno yet, my neighbour upstairs sounded nice | 21:53 |
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| +BartJol | the rest I don' | 21:53 |
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| +BartJol | t know yet' | 21:53 |
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| bernd__ | Convince them to join your commune! | 21:54 |
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| bernd__ | Only the females, of course. | 21:54 |
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| bernd__ | The others are free to leave. | 21:54 |
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| +BartJol | that figures | 21:54 |
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| bernd__ | BarJol, your homepage has not been translated completely yet! | 21:55 |
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| bernd__ | Shame on you! | 21:55 |
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| bernd__ | The gallery still shows some English labels! | 21:55 |
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| +BartJol | eeh, it's mostly a testsite, which happens to break once a week. you could almost call it a feature :) | 21:56 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, I like the english version better myself | 21:56 |
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| bernd__ | Happy breaking in that case! | 21:56 |
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| bernd__ | Did you get that letter finished? | 21:56 |
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| +BartJol | I did | 21:56 |
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| bernd__ | Good! | 21:56 |
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| bernd__ | Does that mean we can talk about appliances again? | 21:57 |
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| dreamersgirl | Speaking of translations, do the Dutch words "Nieuw huis" sound anything like "new house" in English? | 21:57 |
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| +BartJol | dreamersgirl: a bit | 21:57 |
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| bernd__ | Can give in phonetic symbols, please? | 21:57 |
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| bernd__ | you | 21:57 |
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| +BartJol | bernd__: yeah, but I think you'll be talking garbled crap to me quite soon | 21:57 |
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| +BartJol | ooh, webgui phonetic | 21:58 |
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| bernd__ | crap? | 21:58 |
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| dreamersgirl | rizen would like that | 21:58 |
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| dreamersgirl | he speaks garbled crap quite well, I hear | 21:58 |
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| bernd__ | phonetics? | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | web gooey fone tik | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | web gooey foe net ick | 21:58 |
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| +BartJol | bernd__: I mean I won't understand you, because I haven't eaten a lot of chees of that | 21:58 |
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| bernd__ | I do not know much of it either. | 21:59 |
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| dreamersgirl | it's noon here... | 21:59 |
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| bernd__ | What I want to talk about is the image. | 21:59 |
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| bernd__ | What should it look like? | 21:59 |
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| bernd__ | Which software? | 21:59 |
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| dreamersgirl | gotta go make lunch for a sick kid. Later, guys! | 21:59 |
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| bernd__ | Later! | 21:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | sick kid? How about a hard working husband? | 21:59 |
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| +BartJol | ok, is that last thing you posted a good intro for me? | 21:59 |
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| bernd__ | dreamersgirl your wife, perlDreamer? | 22:00 |
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| dreamersgirl | you really want plain rice and dry toast? | 22:00 |
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| +BartJol | dreamersgirl, do that | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | she's stuck with me, bernd__ | 22:00 |
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| dreamersgirl | :) | 22:00 |
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| +BartJol | how far are you two actually apart? | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | about 30 cm | 22:00 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, that is what happens if you spend too much time on the chat and neglect your wife!" | 22:00 |
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| +BartJol | :) | 22:00 |
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| dreamersgirl | he's working | 22:00 |
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| dreamersgirl | isn't he? | 22:00 |
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| bernd__ | Sometimes. | 22:01 |
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| +BartJol | he's just chatting with is european friends | 22:01 |
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| bernd__ | But can't be much at the frequency he is replying to my questions. | 22:01 |
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| +BartJol | s/is/his | 22:01 |
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| dreamersgirl | gotcha. | 22:01 |
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| dreamersgirl | now back to the dry toast... | 22:01 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, don't you have nice European friends? | 22:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have very nice european friends | 22:02 |
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| bernd__ | BartJol, back to garbled crap! | 22:02 |
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| bernd__ | Which post? | 22:02 |
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| +BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/ubuntu-packages/ | 22:03 |
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| SDuensin | Hey, in the product variants, what's the difference between "vid" and "variantId"? | 22:03 |
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| +BartJol | SDuensin: where do you find those labels? | 22:04 |
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| bernd__ | No! Not much of interest at the moment. | 22:04 |
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| SDuensin | When I Dumper::Dump a $variant. | 22:04 |
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| bernd__ | My question is: what would you want such an image be able to do? | 22:04 |
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| bernd__ | Which software should it come with? | 22:04 |
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| bernd__ | What would be your preferred way of administrating it? | 22:04 |
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| bernd__ | For example, should the wreconsole run by default? | 22:05 |
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| +BartJol | so an image of an OS that you wanna use for WebGUI? | 22:05 |
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| bernd__ | ... to be run inside a virtual environment later on. | 22:05 |
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| bernd__ | Exactly! | 22:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | vid = form variable used to store a variantId ? | 22:05 |
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| bernd__ | The idea is to generate something easily deployable on root servers. | 22:06 |
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| bernd__ | Just clone the image and start a new server!" | 22:06 |
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| bernd__ | Like the appliance that is available already. | 22:06 |
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| bernd__ | Just smaller. | 22:06 |
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| +BartJol | but aren't we looking for all features inside the wre plus some basics? | 22:06 |
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| bernd__ | And more comfortable. | 22:06 |
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| SDuensin | I'm writing a de-duper. Just curious. | 22:07 |
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| bernd__ | Probably, still the WRE at the moment. | 22:07 |
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| bernd__ | So let us talk about the basics. | 22:07 |
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| bernd__ | e-Mail? | 22:07 |
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| bernd__ | SSH? | 22:07 |
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| bernd__ | IRC? | 22:07 |
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| +BartJol | it should be able to handle those indeed | 22:07 |
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| bernd__ | FTP? | 22:07 |
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| +BartJol | well, ftp isn't used that much | 22:08 |
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| +BartJol | a readable firewall should be included | 22:08 |
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| bernd__ | Which one? | 22:08 |
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| +BartJol | we use shorewall | 22:08 |
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| bernd__ | What about an admin tool? | 22:08 |
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| +BartJol | which is an interface for iptables | 22:08 |
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| bernd__ | I like webmin, for example. | 22:08 |
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| +BartJol | admin tool for what exactly? | 22:09 |
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| bernd__ | It has a module for configuring shorewall. | 22:09 |
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| bernd__ | Everything. | 22:09 |
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| bernd__ | Something like yast. | 22:09 |
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| bernd__ | Just web-enabled. | 22:09 |
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| +BartJol | that has some downsides with security stuff | 22:09 |
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| +BartJol | I would more think in the direction of what xencentre is for xenserver | 22:10 |
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| bernd__ | Works through secure http. | 22:10 |
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| bernd__ | Safe enough? | 22:10 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, but a ssl certificate won't be optional | 22:10 |
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| bernd__ | I have not worked with xenserver yet. | 22:10 |
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| bernd__ | Why not use a private one? | 22:10 |
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| * SDuensin has never managed to make Webmin work. :-( | 22:10 |
| +BartJol | last week I passed my administration xen exam | 22:11 |
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| bernd__ | SDuensin, on ubuntu server you just install the deb package. | 22:11 |
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| SDuensin | bernd__ - I know, but I load all the optional crap and break it. :-) | 22:11 |
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| +BartJol | actually that's easy, only a lot of facts | 22:11 |
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| bernd__ | OOps, my accu is almost empty. | 22:11 |
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| bernd__ | We need to go on some other time. | 22:12 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | what is an accu? | 22:12 |
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| +BartJol | a have wall current at home :) | 22:12 |
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| +BartJol | battery | 22:12 |
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| bernd__ | Check this thread if you want to participate in the discussion: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/poll-wre-utilities-as-a-distribution/6/re-poll-wre-utilities-as-a-distribution | 22:13 |
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| bernd__ | Yeah, battery. | 22:13 |
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| +BartJol | but in Dutch (and prolly german) we have differnt words for rechargable batteries (accu) and none recharchable ones: batteries | 22:13 |
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| bernd__ | Accu probably isn't English at all. | 22:13 |
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| bernd__ | It means re-chargeable battery. | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, thanks | 22:14 |
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| +BartJol | that link breaks with me | 22:14 |
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| bernd__ | Ok. I need to shut down. | 22:14 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, Ubuntu guys, why does SSH work but not SFTP on my server? | 22:15 |
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| +BartJol | strange | 22:15 |
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| +BartJol | I'd guess something with your FW | 22:15 |
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| SDuensin | It's all over 22, isn't it? | 22:15 |
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| * SDuensin wants to edit his remote crap with Coda. | 22:16 |
| +BartJol | ssh is 443 i thought | 22:16 |
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| +BartJol | ssl is 22 if I'm correct | 22:16 |
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| SDuensin | Backwards. | 22:16 |
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| SDuensin | But then again, you are on the other side of the planet. :-) | 22:16 |
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| +BartJol | mmm | 22:17 |
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| +BartJol | oh yeah, I'm confused | 22:17 |
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| @plainhao | sftp needs to be enabled as a service in your ssh_config | 22:17 |
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| danny_mk | Good new year everyone, any plans for the 2009 conference yet? | 22:17 |
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| SDuensin | plainhao - I did that. :-/ | 22:18 |
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| @plainhao | d'oh, nevermind then :) | 22:18 |
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| +BartJol | something with beer in the hotel bar at the end of the day danny_mk | 22:18 |
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| danny_mk | sure, would like to see a presentation on the Authentication modules, specifically the OpenId authentication :-) | 22:18 |
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| danny_mk | boy, new year, same crap :-) | 22:19 |
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| +BartJol | well, offer to do it yourself | 22:19 |
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| +BartJol | JT will be glad with it I think | 22:19 |
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| danny_mk | I can do like a new install, probably 20min or so | 22:19 |
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| danny_mk | Explain how it works | 22:19 |
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| danny_mk | lord, come to think about it, I talk to much :-) | 22:20 |
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| danny_mk | maybe 40min | 22:20 |
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| +BartJol | danny_mk: just ask him whether he think that will be a good idea | 22:20 |
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| +BartJol | just give an idea how you wanna build up your presentation | 22:20 |
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| +BartJol | he'll disagree as he feels fit | 22:21 |
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| danny_mk | I think JT will be working on OpenId authorization for 8.x.x | 22:21 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, but he's always busy around the wuc | 22:21 |
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| danny_mk | I guess I will ask when we are closer to the conference | 22:22 |
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| danny_mk | which is usually in the fall, right? | 22:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, I think he's just rewriting the underlying Auth interface | 22:22 |
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| +BartJol | the 2 I went to were in august and october | 22:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | and probably the WebGUI and LDAP plugins | 22:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's september this year? | 22:22 |
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| +BartJol | I dunno, we should ask Ryan | 22:23 |
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| danny_mk | Hopefully I will not have to judge any canaries during the week of the conference | 22:23 |
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| +BartJol | canaries? | 22:23 |
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| +BartJol | small birds? | 22:23 |
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| danny_mk | My schedule usually starts the last weekend in September | 22:24 |
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| danny_mk | Yes, small birds | 22:24 |
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| danny_mk | www.canarysave.com | 22:24 |
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| +BartJol | pheew, it's a webgui site ;) | 22:24 |
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| danny_mk | LOL | 22:24 |
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| danny_mk | of course | 22:24 |
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| +BartJol | but if you can announce it this early, you should be ok, right? | 22:25 |
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| danny_mk | sure | 22:25 |
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| +BartJol | I'd like to meet new people | 22:25 |
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| +BartJol | if I'm allowed to go | 22:25 |
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| danny_mk | my new boss seems pretty flexible, as long as I do some work from there I think he will be happy | 22:26 |
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| +BartJol | and I haven't seen any small birds at the wuc lunches so far | 22:27 |
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| danny_mk | LOL, other than a penguin, you probably wont | 22:27 |
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| danny_mk | I really hate the WebGUI captcha image :-( | 22:27 |
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| +BartJol | :) | 22:27 |
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| danny_mk | Can't wait to possibly get ReCaptcha working | 22:28 |
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| +BartJol | maybe make a rfe with a suggestion for another captcha tool | 22:28 |
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| danny_mk | that is already in the works | 22:29 |
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| danny_mk | I have seen conversations on here about a reCaptcha implementation, just waiting until it is done | 22:29 |
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| +BartJol | ah, once again I'm too slow :) | 22:29 |
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| SDuensin | ssh is angering me greatly. | 22:31 |
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| danny_mk | perlDreamer: would love to know what his thoughts are on the Auth interface | 22:32 |
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| * plainhao assumes SDuesin restarted ssh? | 22:32 |
| SDuensin | Yup. | 22:32 |
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| SDuensin | The only clue I get is on the client side: subsystem request failed on channel 0 | 22:33 |
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| SDuensin | I checked the location of my sftp-server binary, made sure world can execute it, restarted ssh again. | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, given that I talked about Auth in my Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes talk last year, I'd say it's just due for a complete overhaul and modernization. | 22:33 |
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| danny_mk | is there a public document I can read on the new implementation? | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 22:35 |
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| danny_mk | guess I will have to wait until 8.x.x | 22:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have the feeling that he knows what he wants to change, but hasn't formalized anything yet | 22:35 |
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| danny_mk | perlDreamer: is there a video of your talk about "Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes"? specifically about Auth | 22:45 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, I figured out my ssh problem. I was being stupid. It's "sshd_config", not "ssh_config"! Doh! | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, it's on wgtv | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | or should be soon | 22:46 |
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| danny_mk | looking there now | 22:46 |
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| danny_mk | 2008 right? | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | bopbop is putting up a bunch of new vids this week so it may be in that grouping | 22:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2008, yes | 22:49 |
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| @bopbop | it's not up yet, but it can be | 22:49 |
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| @bopbop | I'll look for the tape tonight | 22:49 |
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| @rizen | if it's not already out there and it's not in that grouping then you'll have to wait on it. we only put out a few new vids per month | 22:49 |
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| danny_mk | OK | 22:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen, if you have time, you might want to read back through the logs and make sure I didn't mislead danny_mk about the new Auth in wG 8. | 22:51 |
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| danny_mk | rizen: any interest in a OpenId presentation? | 22:51 |
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| @rizen | danny_mk: do you mean for WUC 2009? | 22:51 |
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| danny_mk | yes | 22:51 |
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| @rizen | absolutely | 22:51 |
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| danny_mk | I want to make sure I can take some time off the week of the conference, the sooner we find out when and where the better chance I will have to attend | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | you can demo the module you've created, talk about open id in general and why it's good, and maybe even show off openid in WebGUI 8 | 22:52 |
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| danny_mk | NY would be great :-) | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | it's in madison wi | 22:52 |
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| +BartJol | the concourse hotel to be precise | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | september 9-11 | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | wed - fri | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | that's when it will be | 22:54 |
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| topsub | /cheer | 22:54 |
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| danny_mk | OK | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | back to a 3-day format? is does that include tutorials? | 22:54 |
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| +BartJol | ah, he's hoping that the dutchies will crash into a building | 22:55 |
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| +BartJol | sorry, bad taste alert | 22:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | not a problem, BartJol. | 22:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | InterPol will be there in 10 minutes in any case | 22:58 |
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| +BartJol | here, or at JT's house? | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | yes, 3 day format | 23:00 |
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| @rizen | and yes it will include workshops | 23:00 |
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| +BartJol | cool | 23:00 |
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| @rizen | 3 days, 3 tracks | 23:00 |
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| +BartJol | whoa, that will be busy | 23:00 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... when do I get some of that juicy OpenId rfe karma :-) | 23:05 |
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| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer - This script finds my duplicates, but how to I write what I want back to the database using the nice and safe API? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m351280fa | 23:05 |
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| @rizen | danny_mk every time you update it in the bazaar you get karma | 23:06 |
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| @rizen | and if you are featured as PBWG you get karma | 23:07 |
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| @rizen | which you should probably be (bopbop please add danny_mk to the list for PBWG) | 23:07 |
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| @rizen | and this year, for the first time, you'll get karma for both attending and presenting at the wuc | 23:08 |
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| +BartJol | it's a list? I thought I was special ;) | 23:08 |
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| @rizen | yes BartJol you are forever the only PBWG | 23:08 |
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| @rizen | =) | 23:08 |
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| +BartJol | rather not, I'm getting fraked out by my own picture | 23:08 |
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| danny_mk | I still have to write the tests for the Auth module, probably using WWW::Mechanize, that may be a bit of a challenge. | 23:20 |
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| +crythias1 | hrm. | 23:22 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9154 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/checkXrcVsAutomat.pl: test | 23:27 |
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| SDuensin | Go Go Automat! | 23:29 |
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| @rizen | danny_mk: http://www.webgui.org/wuc/2009-call-for-participation | 23:32 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmm... I have never written a bio | 23:33 |
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| danny_mk | I guess I will have to write one now, | 23:33 |
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| danny_mk | brb | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, the bios can be very informal | 23:39 |
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| danny_mk | Would a title like: The OpenId::Auth module be OK? | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk is a canary-judging, perl hacking machine who lives in $self->getHome and dreams of a world where OpenId is the auth mechanism of choice | 23:40 |
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| danny_mk | of course not very creative :-( | 23:40 |
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| danny_mk | LOL | 23:40 |
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| danny_mk | hmmm... I like that :-) | 23:41 |
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| danny_mk | I think I will use it | 23:41 |
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| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer - This script finds my duplicates, but how to I write what I want back to the database using the nice and safe API? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m351280fa | 23:41 |
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| elnino | Hi. My network administrator wants to move our production webserver to a virtual host. I cringe at the thought. Do others have thoughts about having production servers on virtual servers? I suppose as long as the hardware can support it and the other virtual servers it's fine? | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: use the deleteCollateral method to remove the duplicate | 23:45 |
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| elnino | server would be running zen server and may have four virtual servers. | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | the problem being, of course, if you have duplicate ids in the JSON that it might return either entry | 23:45 |
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| SDuensin | Does setCollateral not check for dupes? Pretty sure that's what got me in trouble here. | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | setCollateral does not care | 23:46 |
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| SDuensin | Then it is EVIL! :-) | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Do you own a hammer? | 23:47 |
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| SDuensin | Why, yes. I just fixed a Big Wheel with it. | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Then you know that if you hit a window with it that bad things will happen. | 23:47 |
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| SDuensin | Bad things always happen in Windows. | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | The hammer will not arrest its movement if you use it the wrong way | 23:48 |
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| SDuensin | Hey man, I just used some crazy dude's sample code. :-P | 23:48 |
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| * perlDreamer remembers that he's probably responsible for the sample code | 23:48 |
| * SDuensin grins | 23:49 |
| +crythias1 | elnino I'm running on vps | 23:49 |
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| +crythias1 | serveraxis | 23:49 |
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| +crythias1 | although, it's pretty much all that's running, WebGUI is doing OK on it. | 23:50 |
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| elnino | So, should I take webgui's requirements and multiply it by four? at least when he goes buying the server? | 23:50 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer: I've got one again: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9402 | 23:51 |
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| +crythias1 | elnino: I think I've missed your requirements. | 23:51 |
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| elnino | welll, webgui's requirements. =) | 23:51 |
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| elnino | right now, it's on it's own server, and I have no idea what else he wants to put on the other virtual servers. | 23:52 |
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| +crythias1 | yes, but are you doing 4 webgui sites one per vps, one webgui per four vps, or 4 on one? | 23:52 |
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| elnino | so I figured it should be four time more powerful of a server. =) | 23:52 |
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| elnino | no, i have two sites on one install of webgui - on one virtual server. | 23:52 |
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| elnino | but it's our corporate website. | 23:52 |
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| +crythias1 | is the intention to use your own hardware or outsource? | 23:52 |
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| elnino | own hardware. | 23:52 |
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| +crythias1 | then I'd say quadruple webgui. Otherwise, I'd scale as needed from outsource. I'm paying $65/month for unmetered vps, forinstance. | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: done | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | fix will be out with the next release | 23:54 |
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| +BartJol | darn, you're quick | 23:54 |
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| +crythias1 | erm.. $60 | 23:54 |
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| +crythias1 | http://serveraxis.com/vps.php 1gb RAM, 100GB hd, 10mbit unmetered bandwidth. | 23:55 |
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| @rizen | elnino: here's a good rule of thumb | 23:56 |
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| @rizen | 1 core x 1gb ram will give you about 20,000 page views per day while keeping your load under 1.0 | 23:56 |
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| @rizen | the same logic works on a vps | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's 1 page view every 5 seconds | 23:58 |
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| @rizen | the same logic works on a vps except that the VPS has it's IO tied up by the other slices | 23:58 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: yeah i know, but it takes into account a few things like page complexity, background processing (workflow), etc | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | and keeping the load under 1.0 | 23:59 |
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| elnino | can you explian "under 1.0" 1.0 of what? | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | which means that you're not stressing the server at all | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | load is a hard thing to define elnino | 23:59 |
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| elnino | what do you use to measure load? | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | but generally speaking a load of 1.0 or less means that the server is not being taxed | 00:00 |
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| @rizen | type w | 00:00 |
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| SDuensin | It's the number of processes waiting to run in the task queue, isn't it? | 00:00 |
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| @rizen | at the command line | 00:00 |
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| @rizen | no | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | uptime | 00:00 |
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| @rizen | a load of 1 means that the server is not having to "share" compute cycles between processes | 00:00 |
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| @rizen | as in it's able to process everything in real time | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, please pastebin me some bad product variant JSON so i can see it | 00:01 |
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| SDuensin | Right. Nothing is stacked up. | 00:01 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Sure. | 00:01 |
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| @rizen | that gets fuzzy though, when you start talking about threading, multiple-cores, hyperthreading, multiple CPU's etc | 00:01 |
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| SDuensin | rizen - true | 00:01 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone want to join in on the quest to figure out a robust solution to the SC's synopsis regex's and wide chars? The regex hangs on byte strings like Arabic. | 00:01 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Here's the last one in my database: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50a50c9e | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, if they're all exact duplicates like that, then deleteCollateral will work fine | 00:04 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer: and another : http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9403 | 00:04 |
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| SDuensin | It won't take them both? | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 00:05 |
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| @rizen | anyway elnino, the point was that the number of sites on your server is pretty much irrelevant, it's more about the number of page views you're dealing with vs the amount of hardware that you have available, vs how much load you can stomach | 00:05 |
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| * SDuensin didn't look up the source yet. | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it finds the first index | 00:05 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Excellent. Thanks bud! (I *will* back up first!) | 00:05 |
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| @rizen | i like to keep the load on our servers to less than 1.0 during normal usage so that we have plenty of resources available during peak usage | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. especially since I helped create the mess that you're in... | 00:05 |
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| @rizen | however, many people run their servers at a much higher load | 00:05 |
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| elnino | thanks rizen... I had to step to the phone, but am back.. Does the vps server up as the virtual servers need? or does it say "you get this you get that, and that's it"? | 00:06 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - No worries. :-) | 00:06 |
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| @rizen | elnino: most of them define fixed resources in advance | 00:07 |
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| elnino | ah. good to know... | 00:07 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | load average: 10.06, 10.45, 8.91 :D | 00:07 |
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| elnino | is that high? the server I'm look at is: load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ;P | 00:08 |
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| @rizen | perlmonkey2: is that one of our servers? if so i'm wondeirng why we aren't being paged | 00:08 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: no, my server | 00:08 |
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| elnino | but that is a different server than what I'm talking about. I'm curious as to what that one is.... | 00:08 |
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| elnino | .42, .37, .23,, I'm thinking I don't have much to worry about at this time... | 00:09 |
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| elnino | or is that the load my user is causing at this particular time? | 00:09 |
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| @rizen | that's just your load over the last 10 minutes or so | 00:10 |
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| @rizen | you should check it several times through-out the day | 00:10 |
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| @rizen | and if you know when your peak usage is, you should check the load at that time | 00:10 |
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| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: I suppose you also made the i18n for the survey? | 00:10 |
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| elnino | it's be nice if there was a report of the load. that can be emailed me each day. Any suggested software? | 00:10 |
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| +BartJol | what do you mean with Section branch goto variable name: | 00:11 |
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| +BartJol | I think I understand | 00:11 |
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| +BartJol | but not sure | 00:11 |
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| @rizen | elnino: what you want is SNMP monitoring with graphing | 00:12 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: the end of a section can branch, but needs a variable name to go to. Questions and sections have variable names, and the target variable name would go into the goto variable name. | 00:12 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: patspam has made that a drop down and will be merged at the next oppurtunity. The drop down should make it much easier to understand. | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | the most common free one on the net is MRTG | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/ | 00:12 |
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| elnino | great! thanks! I'll look into that. | 00:13 |
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| @rizen | but you still have to set it u | 00:13 |
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| @rizen | up | 00:13 |
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| +BartJol | thanks perlmonkey2 | 00:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: anything for you Bart :P | 00:14 |
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| elnino | rizen. that's for when we own the hardware and router. My network guy most likely has something setup like that. if not, I'll recommend it to him. Do you recommend anything when the hardware is outsourced? I work with both situations (own and outsourced). | 00:15 |
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| +BartJol | ok then: drop your trousers | 00:15 |
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| +BartJol | and what is a terminal in the survey perlmonkey2 | 00:16 |
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| +BartJol | ? | 00:16 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | a URL | 00:16 |
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| +BartJol | and a terminal section? | 00:16 |
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| elnino | rizen, that first sentence was supposed to be a question.... | 00:17 |
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| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: what is a terminal section? | 00:18 |
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| @rizen | elnino: you can use mrtg with that...but there are other tools too when you want to do more stuff | 00:19 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: a section which upon completion will end the survey and if there is a survey or section terminal url given, it will forward to that url. | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | like OpenNMS for example | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | at Plain Black we use Zabbix | 00:19 |
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| +BartJol | ok, that's clear | 00:20 |
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| @rizen | it does monitoring, and we can also use it for data trending | 00:20 |
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| @rizen | like monitoring load activity on servers and generating pretty graphs | 00:20 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9156 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the i18n help for the ITransact Pay Driver. | 00:20 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9157 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting i18n fix for PayDriver ITransact. | 00:20 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Large batch of Help and i18n. Also, make sure that the | 00:20 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Shop plugin for the Account always has an array ref in it. | 00:20 |
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| +BartJol | well, I'm up at a 100% again, luckily it will be a lot lower later this week | 00:22 |
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| +BartJol | so go ahead perlDreamer, make my day | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm just trying to keep you gainfully employed, BartJol | 00:29 |
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| +BartJol | too bad it is scrapped from my duties at procolix | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | huh? | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | no way! | 00:31 |
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| +BartJol | way | 00:33 |
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| +BartJol | now I've gotta find a way to make it fun | 00:34 |
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| +BartJol | allthough I don't mind finding the typ-o's in the english i18n | 00:35 |
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| +BartJol | it gives me lots of karma :) | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | 10 karma for each typo | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | Do you know why your job responsibilities changed? | 00:40 |
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| +BartJol | well, I don't think we really get more customers from translating WebGUI and it takes huge amounts of time | 00:41 |
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| +BartJol | it's a money thing | 00:41 |
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| elnino | rizen - dang phone.... thanks for the info! | 00:41 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: translation * r9162 /translations/German/German/Account_Inbox.pm: Update from translation server | 07:36 |
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| bernd__ | Hey BartJol! | 12:58 |
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| bernd__ | Sorry for my sudden disappearance yesterday. | 12:58 |
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| bernd__ | But I was not at home. | 12:58 |
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| +BartJol | hey | 12:59 |
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| +BartJol | don't mind, and you did announce your accu going low | 13:00 |
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| bernd__ | You mean battery :-) | 13:00 |
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| +BartJol | yeah :) | 13:00 |
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| bernd__ | BartJol, does procolix rent out root servers? | 13:01 |
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| +BartJol | so you wanna have root access? | 13:01 |
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| +BartJol | I have to ask | 13:02 |
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| +BartJol | but you have limited garantuees | 13:03 |
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| +BartJol | I mean, yes we do, but you have limited garantuees | 13:03 |
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| +BartJol | bernd__: if you want to have an offer just mail us | 13:07 |
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| +BartJol | I was gonna say invoice :) | 13:08 |
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| bernd2 | BartJol, I think I missed your reply. | 13:09 |
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| +BartJol | prolly you missed my comments | 13:09 |
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| bernd2 | My connection was interrupted. | 13:09 |
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| +BartJol | BartJol: so you wanna have root access? | 13:09 |
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| +BartJol | BartJol: I have to ask | 13:09 |
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| +BartJol | BartJol: but you have limited garantuees | 13:09 |
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| +BartJol | BartJol: I mean, yes we do, but you have limited garantuees | 13:09 |
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| +BartJol | BartJol: bernd__: if you want to have an offer just mail us | 13:09 |
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| +BartJol | BartJol: I was gonna say invoice :) | 13:09 |
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| bernd2 | Do you have a rough idea how much you bill per month? | 13:10 |
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| +BartJol | actually, no | 13:10 |
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| +BartJol | SynQ's the man for that | 13:11 |
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| bernd2 | This is the best offer I have found so far: http://www.junior-server.de/ | 13:11 |
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| bernd2 | The plans for EUR29 and EUR39 are interesting to me. | 13:11 |
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| bernd2 | Do you think procolix could compete with that? | 13:11 |
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| +BartJol | I would have to ask | 13:12 |
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| +BartJol | and it is lunchtime | 13:12 |
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| bernd2 | Better to send an email to Koen? | 13:12 |
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| +BartJol | yeah | 13:12 |
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| +BartJol | with some specs | 13:12 |
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| bernd2 | Good. Going to do that then. | 13:12 |
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| +BartJol | you'll get a VM | 13:12 |
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| +BartJol | prolly | 13:12 |
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| bernd2 | What does "prolly" mean? | 13:13 |
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| +BartJol | probably | 13:13 |
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| bernd2 | Ah, I have looked it up. | 13:13 |
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| bernd2 | You spend too much time on the chat with those Americans. | 13:13 |
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| +BartJol | :) | 13:13 |
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| bernd2 | I assume it is perlDreamer who is spoiling your English. | 13:14 |
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| +BartJol | I learned that from martin | 13:14 |
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| +BartJol | fooood | 13:14 |
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| bernd2 | Guten Appetit! | 13:15 |
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| bernd2 | How to say that in dutch? | 13:15 |
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| +BartJol | plainhao: you're an early morning type | 13:54 |
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| @plainhao | not really :) | 14:00 |
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| +BartJol | but, you're the new dev guy/girl? | 14:01 |
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| @plainhao | yep | 14:01 |
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| +BartJol | nice | 14:01 |
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| @plainhao | how long did it take you to get comfortable with webgui? | 14:02 |
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| +BartJol | well, my story is quite strange and long | 14:02 |
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| @plainhao | oh, haha | 14:02 |
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| +BartJol | I started with translating, then moved to front end support | 14:02 |
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| +BartJol | now I'm moving into the backend area | 14:03 |
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| +BartJol | but without a lot of programming experience, this is taking its fair amount of time | 14:03 |
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| @plainhao | good thing there's documentation | 14:04 |
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| +BartJol | yeah and when I code, I just steal ideas from existing code | 14:04 |
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| @preaction | it took me 6-8 months really | 14:06 |
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| @plainhao | ok | 14:06 |
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| @preaction | and i cursed just about everybody on the way | 14:06 |
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| @plainhao | haha, even rizen? | 14:06 |
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| @preaction | especially jt | 14:06 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, but you have a natural ability for cursing preaction | 14:06 |
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| @preaction | if it's story time: Version 5 of WG was not object oriented. the session "object" was a globally-scoped hash | 14:07 |
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| @preaction | i wasn;t here for that, thank god | 14:07 |
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| @plainhao | that sounds ok to me :) | 14:07 |
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| @preaction | heh, you do mason work then? | 14:08 |
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| @plainhao | a little bit | 14:08 |
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| @preaction | $::session{url} <- the $:: construct was introduced to me with mason | 14:08 |
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| @preaction | i believe the problem became mod-perl's handling of globally-scoped variables (they never hit the GC) | 14:09 |
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| @plainhao | yeah | 14:09 |
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| @preaction | but the real problem is in the design: a global is a piece of magic | 14:09 |
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| @plainhao | well, you just have to put a lot of trust in the developers | 14:10 |
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| @preaction | that's a good idea for a small project with few developers under your direct control | 14:10 |
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| @preaction | webgui is a large project, a framework plus a CMS, with diverse developers and a community of contributers who have varying levels of programming experience with languages other than Perl | 14:10 |
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| @preaction | so the strictly perly constructs can lead to problems | 14:11 |
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| @preaction | but foremost the api/framework must remain safe from the casual errors of programmers (if not also the maliious intents of programmers) | 14:12 |
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| * plainhao agrees | 14:13 |
| @preaction | that being said, there is a WebGUI Developer's Guide that does a very good job of reaching in-between the lines of the POD | 14:13 |
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| @preaction | which you're entitled to as a pb employee, and which may in fact already be on its way to your house | 14:14 |
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| @preaction | i believe that jamie vrbsky (vrby) would be the person to ask about that, or frank | 14:14 |
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| * plainhao thinks frank sent them yesterday | 14:15 |
| +BartJol | preaction: do you think it can harm if I manually delete complete workflowinstances from the db? | 14:15 |
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| +BartJol | were reaching to 300 a page of them | 14:15 |
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| @preaction | BartJol: yes. "complete" means one activity completed. "done" means all activities are completed | 14:16 |
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| +BartJol | mmm | 14:16 |
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| +BartJol | but they don't seem to get done | 14:16 |
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| @preaction | you might want to check which activity is next | 14:16 |
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| @preaction | there's a lastCompleted field i think | 14:16 |
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| @preaction | lastActivity maybe? | 14:16 |
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| +BartJol | lastStatus | 14:17 |
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| @preaction | then match that one up to the activityId in the WorkflowActivity table | 14:17 |
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| +BartJol | and currentActivityId | 14:17 |
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| @preaction | current, yes | 14:17 |
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| +BartJol | ah | 14:17 |
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| @preaction | if they're all the same, something strange might be happening, or perhaps there's too much to complete | 14:17 |
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| +BartJol | well most of them are to get syndicated content | 14:20 |
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| +BartJol | 310 of 330 | 14:21 |
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| +BartJol | but that's in 1 site, but the rest seem to be compliant to that | 14:24 |
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| @preaction | do you have 310 syndicated content assets in that site? | 14:26 |
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| +BartJol | nope, as far as I know none | 14:26 |
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| +BartJol | it's just in the hourly workflow\ | 14:27 |
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| +BartJol | here's a list of the queries I got in the log at debug level: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/database-cache-gives-an-error/6#id3RRcYPlQPdndEB62BJJEgg | 14:29 |
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| +BartJol | mm, there's a PB asset in there, maybe that should be purged | 14:30 |
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| @preaction | BartJol: does the workflow instance id "qjHOGGdOUU56GNmJAYaPDQ" still exist in your database? | 14:33 |
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| +BartJol | no | 14:35 |
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| +BartJol | mysql> select * from WorkflowInstance where instanceId="qjHOGGdOUU56GNmJAYaPDQ"; | 14:35 |
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| +BartJol | Empty set (0.01 sec) | 14:35 |
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| +BartJol | sorry, wrong db | 14:37 |
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| +BartJol | confusing when you remove the site name\ | 14:38 |
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| +BartJol | no it does not | 14:42 |
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| +BartJol | even in the right db | 14:42 |
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| +BartJol | sorry that it took some time preaction | 14:45 |
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| @preaction | then they are getting deleted eventually. perhaps you need to set spectre to run through workflows more quickly? | 14:46 |
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| +BartJol | ok spectre settings: | 14:50 |
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| +BartJol | "maxWorkers" : 4, | 14:50 |
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| +BartJol | "timeBetweenRunningWorkflows" : 10, | 14:50 |
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| +BartJol | "suspensionDelay" : 60, | 14:50 |
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| +BartJol | "ignoreEnvProxy" : 0 | 14:50 |
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| +BartJol | after consulting the administrator guide I set the timebetween workflows to 4 sec | 14:54 |
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| +BartJol | now running spectre in debug mode | 14:56 |
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| +BartJol | with this amount of workflow a setting of 2 seemed even better | 14:59 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: the amount of workflows seems to steadily decrease at a rate of 20-25 sites a minute | 16:35 |
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| +BartJol | only 9 hours and it should be around 0 again... | 16:37 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:04 |
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| +BartJol | morning SDuensin | 18:05 |
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| elnino_laptop | hi. did the new gallery get released yet? or is that 7.6? | 18:10 |
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| SDuensin | Hi elnino_laptop. Dunno that one. | 18:11 |
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| +BartJol | isn't that even 7.5? | 18:13 |
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| +BartJol | or will there be another gallery too? | 18:14 |
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| elnino_laptop | it is. but I just saw this http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/roadmap, so I'll read up on when gallery 2.0 will be expected. | 18:18 |
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| SDuensin | I'm gonna guess "when it's done". | 18:19 |
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| elnino_laptop | yeah, I just saw this: "Also, please do not contact Plain Black about release dates for these features. We don't publish them, and we won't tell you if you ask." Even thought they did announce at wuc, I just don't remember what version they talked about. | 18:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9164 /translations/German/German/Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm: Update from translation server | 18:41 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, is there any reason that all the help modules are named "<something> variables"? | 18:55 |
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| bernd_ | The word "variables" seems pretty superfluous to me. | 18:55 |
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| bernd_ | I am thinking to get rid of it in the German translation. | 18:55 |
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| bernd_ | What do you think? | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm not following you bernd_. Can you give me 1 example? | 18:55 |
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| bernd_ | I am talking about modules listed in the help overview. | 18:56 |
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| bernd_ | Example: Matrix Main Template Variables | 18:56 |
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| bernd_ | Isn't it all about variables? | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see. At one point, there were other entries too. | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | then they got removed | 18:57 |
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| bernd_ | Do you think there will be other entries, again? | 18:57 |
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| SDuensin | Hey gang. | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think so | 18:57 |
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| bernd_ | Currently, it just makes names longer. | 18:57 |
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| bernd_ | So, safe to remove it? | 18:57 |
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| bernd_ | The same is probably true for "template". | 18:58 |
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| jmarsden | bernd_: I made a test JEOS VM last night, and the webgui .deb works fine in it. See http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/poll-wre-utilities-as-a-distribution/14 | 18:59 |
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| bernd_ | Cool! | 18:59 |
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| bernd_ | I am thinking about creating an appliance based on JeOS. | 19:00 |
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| * plainhao 's laptop fan is spinning out of control. | 19:00 |
| bernd_ | That will be a good testing ground. | 19:00 |
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| bernd_ | jmarsden, thanks for the good work! | 19:00 |
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| bernd_ | I am really happy about ubuntu packages being available now. | 19:00 |
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| SDuensin | They are? Cool! | 19:00 |
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| bernd_ | SDuensin, check the URL he just posted. | 19:00 |
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| SDuensin | In a product, how do I get the keywords associated with it? I've looked over the code for product, sku, and asset and can't find it. | 19:01 |
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| jmarsden | No problem. I also heard back from Ernesto in email, I found one minor bug in his packaging... we're talking -- hopefully we can work together to get the .deb officially into both Debian and Ubuntu | 19:01 |
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| bernd_ | Even better! | 19:02 |
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| bernd_ | I just read you have prepared an image already. | 19:02 |
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| bernd_ | Ever tried to run with kvm? | 19:02 |
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| bernd_ | I learned JeOS is optimized either for kvm or vmware. | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, check the process method in Asset.pm | 19:03 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - checking! Thanks. | 19:03 |
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| @tavisto | plainhao, you know about the smcfan control app for mac right? It's pretty cool if you want to control your fan speed & cpu temp | 19:04 |
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| jmarsden | bernd_: I don't have a CPU with the VM hardware (my desktop is an E5200), so no, I have not used KVM. I use virtualbox-ose mostly for VMs under Linux. | 19:04 |
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| bernd_ | What is the best virtualization environment according to your experience? | 19:05 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Dunno how I missed that. Thanks bud! | 19:05 |
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| * SDuensin uses a LOT of VMware. | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, you're welcome | 19:05 |
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| SDuensin | For Linux-on-Linux, something like Xen is probably more efficient. But for general VMs (I even have a DOS one running), VMWare server is my favorite. | 19:06 |
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| bernd_ | But vmware is not free, correct? | 19:06 |
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| bernd_ | It is just the vmplayer. | 19:06 |
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| jmarsden | It's all a matter of "best for what", I think. VMware is everywhere and runs under Windows as well, which is good for appliances intended as "try it and see" tools for newcomers. I need to go to work now (!), but hopefully will post info on creating the image with vmbuilder later -- then people can build an image using KVM or VMware or whatever they prefer | 19:06 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - rather than enter all those ring sizes by hand, I'm doing another script. :-) | 19:07 |
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| jmarsden | VMware Server 2 is now no-cost. It is not free as it free software... | 19:07 |
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| bernd_ | Great! | 19:07 |
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| bernd_ | I am probably going to be your first tester! | 19:07 |
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| bernd_ | Looking forward to it. | 19:07 |
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| SDuensin | Yep! I run VMWare Server 2.0 on my main server. That's all it does. Any actual services are in VMs. | 19:07 |
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| SDuensin | Makes upgrading easy. Build a bigger, faster machine - just copy the VMs over. | 19:07 |
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| SDuensin | Anyway, BBIAB. | 19:08 |
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| jmarsden | OK, sounds good. Nice to "meet" you folks here on IRC. I'm off to work... bye for now! | 19:08 |
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| bernd_ | SDuensin, do you need an IP per guest? | 19:08 |
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| bernd_ | Or is it possible to get around that. | 19:08 |
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| bernd_ | ? | 19:08 |
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| jmarsden | I suspect you could put each image on a Host-only "virtual network" inside the host machine and then route stuff port by port from the real LAN to different VMs... but I have not tried that; I just use bridged mode and one IP per VM here. | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's what this world needs, more bernd's | 19:16 |
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| bernd2 | Now we have two at least! | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | and a young one in development | 19:16 |
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| bernd2 | perlDreamer, can you kick bernd_, pleas? | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I am without kick privileges | 19:16 |
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| bernd2 | She is rather an Anke (her mother). | 19:16 |
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| bernd2 | Hm, can I kick my former self myself? | 19:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think you have to be a channel op | 19:17 |
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| bernd2 | :-( | 19:17 |
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| * bernd2 hates wireless connections. | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: could you please do a "slash kick bernd_" ? | 19:18 |
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| @tavisto | I'd rather do a slash kick perlDreamer | 19:18 |
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| bernd2 | Thanks, rizen! | 19:18 |
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| bernd2 | Was probably fun kicking me =) | 19:19 |
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| @tavisto | and then a reverse roundhouse kick to finish him off.... like chuck norris | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I thought you'd prefer a hack slash punch perlDreamer | 19:19 |
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| bernd2 | What about the "chop into pieces" part? | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | chopped perlDreamers are not good at fixing bugs | 19:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the bruised and bloody ones seem to get by | 19:20 |
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| SDuensin | bernd2 - I use an IP per guest, yes. You can do different network types: Bridged, NAT, and Host Only... | 19:26 |
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| bernd2 | Thanks. | 19:27 |
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| SDuensin | Bridged is like a real PC. It gets it's own IP. | 19:27 |
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| bernd2 | I am going to try them all :-) | 19:27 |
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| SDuensin | NAT shares the IP of the host, but is outbound only. | 19:27 |
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| bernd2 | Is it difficult to get additional IPs for a root server? | 19:27 |
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| SDuensin | Host Only assigns a private IP on a network only available to the host and the VM. | 19:27 |
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| bernd2 | Talking about public ones. | 19:27 |
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| SDuensin | Depends on who the provider is. Most will allow you to purchase more if you can justify them. | 19:28 |
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| bernd2 | For hosting of multiple webgui appliances on a single root server you would require an IP per appliance, correct? | 19:29 |
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| SDuensin | Yep. | 19:29 |
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| bernd2 | Good. Or rather bad. But now I know for sure. | 19:30 |
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| bernd2 | Thanks. | 19:30 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 19:30 |
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| SDuensin | Like I said, most places will sell you additional IPs (I think my second one is a whole dollar a month) if you can justify the need. | 19:30 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | bernd2: you can /nick your ghost | 19:30 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | in the future | 19:30 |
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| bernd2 | Ah. I will try to remember! | 19:31 |
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| bernd2 | Thanks. | 19:31 |
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| SDuensin | Man, it's killing me to add all these variants. Maybe I need to spend time on 'Plan B'. | 19:40 |
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| deafferret | SDuensin: joining the circus? | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | what is Plan B? | 19:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: What's plan B? | 19:47 |
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| SDuensin | Add an optional "Size" field. | 19:48 |
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| SDuensin | I can't have variant lists with 100+ items in them. Users are gonna freak out. | 19:49 |
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| bernd2 | perlDreamer, helpvar_albums and helpvar_albums_rss in Asset_Gallery.pm show the same help text. | 20:00 |
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| bernd2 | Is that a bug? | 20:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | you bet it is! | 20:00 |
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| bernd2 | Ticket? | 20:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | please | 20:01 |
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| bernd2 | perlDreamer, I am going to see Klaus in a few minutes. | 20:11 |
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| bernd2 | Do you want me to say hello? | 20:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | Please do. | 20:12 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9165 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Gallery.pm Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm): Update from translation server | 20:12 |
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| bernd2 | Happy hacking until midnight! | 20:12 |
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| SDuensin | The Cart isn't pluggable, eh? Hmm. | 20:12 |
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| bernd2 | I am gone for today. | 20:12 |
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| SDuensin | Later bernd2 | 20:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | later, bernd2 | 20:12 |
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| * SDuensin just doesn't know where to stick this extra data. | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | add it to the variant data, maybe? | 20:14 |
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| * plainhao thanks tavisto for suggesting smcfan control, installed a similar pref pane earlier (fan control). | 20:15 |
| * SDuensin will have to learn more before attempting that. | 20:18 |
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| elnino | is the roadmap page on webgui.org still things to come or are some of those already released? | 20:56 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | For those of you who aren't aware, we have published the call for participation for WUC 2009. http://www.webgui.org/wuc/2009-call-for-participation | 21:51 |
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| @rizen | Please sign up if you want to do a talk. | 21:52 |
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| elnino | how does one do the little asterix in the chat window like perlDreamer going to the gym? | 22:15 |
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| deafferret | /me goes to gym | 22:22 |
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| deafferret | elnino: my client is irssi. I don't know what you're using. | 22:23 |
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| elnino | xchat | 22:25 |
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| deafferret | did you try typing "/me does something" ? | 22:27 |
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| * elnino I'm back | 22:43 |
| elnino | thanks deafferret! | 22:43 |
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| deafferret | "/me is back" would have made more sense :) | 22:44 |
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| elnino | I suppose.. | 22:44 |
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| elnino | in the database schema, in the asset table, what is the difference between lockedby and statechangedby? can the state change without being locked? | 23:02 |
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| @Haarg | deleting or cutting to the clipboard change the state but don't lock the asset | 23:07 |
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| elnino | ah, ok. thanks! | 23:07 |
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| * SDuensin has been AFK all frickin' day. | 00:26 |
| SynQ | I'm looking for any australian person | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | who has a phone number :) | 00:26 |
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| SDuensin | Not I. Sorry. | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | I kno | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | know | 00:26 |
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| SDuensin | Can I just willy-nilly add new fields to a product variant? Can the rest of the shopping system cope with that? | 00:27 |
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| SynQ | I have no idea | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | would you like to buy a box of 100 Goey dolls from me? | 00:31 |
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| SynQ | :P | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: Isn't it 4:00am in Australia? | 00:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam will usually log in around 4:00pm or 5:00pm PST | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is 2.5 hours from now | 00:35 |
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| SDuensin | So perlDreamer - screwing with the variant fields won't break the cart? Or am I starting a cascade of changes? | 00:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | not sure | 00:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | just the first thing I thought of | 00:40 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 00:40 |
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| SynQ | ah | 00:40 |
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| SynQ | at which time I will be vast asleep | 00:41 |
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| SDuensin | It opens a few cans of worms with the display, too, but for what I need, I can fake it. | 00:41 |
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| elnino_laptop | hi. We have a matrix on our site, and the security settings were set so only internal people can post new products, well, one come thru as spam. | 01:30 |
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| elnino_laptop | so, couple questinos, | 01:30 |
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| elnino_laptop | obviously new listings in a matrix are not version tagged, otherwise, it would have just been version tagsed, and second, was this security hole reported for 7.5.24? | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino_laptop, I have not seen any Matrix bugs in months, maybe years | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | The matrix was rewritten and upgraded for 7.6, however | 01:41 |
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| elnino_laptop | ok, well this is defately a bug.. Security is ignored, 4 anonymous submissions were made on a matrix that only our marketing people should be able to. | 01:41 |
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| elnino_laptop | i'm writting up a bug report now. | 01:42 |
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| elnino_laptop | so.. is there a way to set up the approval system to be enforced when the version tag is committed by others than in a particular group? these went right thru because marketing disabled the approval system. | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, that would take a custom workflow | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and, as you noted, matrix listings are not versioned | 01:51 |
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| * perlDreamer sends elnino_laptop a big stick to hit the marketing people with | 01:52 |
| elnino_laptop | but that's funny, because as far as I can tell, the submission had committed version tags. | 01:52 |
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| elnino_laptop | * be glad to | 01:52 |
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| * elnino_laptop be glad to | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a moderation system to it, it looks like | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | but there's no version control | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | listings can be approved or disproved by a group | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's from a very, very quick read through on the code | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | editListingSave | 01:56 |
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| elnino_laptop | well, yea, that was what was verion taged, the CS system that was created by the new listing. I guess I misspoke. The actual *listing* wasn't version tagged which I find to be interesting. | 01:57 |
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| * elnino_laptop is curious about that decision. | 01:57 |
| elnino_laptop | oh well | 01:57 |
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| elnino_laptop | I recommendd that the matrix be taken down for now. =) | 01:58 |
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| elnino_laptop | s/recommendd/recommended | 01:58 |
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| elnino_laptop | and I'll revisit (your's) wuc discussion on workflows, it was too much for my brain at that time of the day if I remember... | 01:58 |
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| elnino_laptop | I think it was yours... | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | it was probably rizen, or preaction | 01:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | but they're not much harder than macros, really | 02:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | they can either be very complex, or very simple | 02:01 |
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| elnino_laptop | it was preaction.. I get your handles mixed up. | 02:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's easy to tell us apart, he's the good looking one with the tie | 02:02 |
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| elnino_laptop | =) maybe I should teach a class on workflows so I stop ignoring them.. | 02:03 |
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| elnino_laptop | however, we're expecting to have a new baby in July, so, not quite sure if that would be too smart on my part.l | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | congratulations! | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hope that this new baby is being easy on you? | 02:05 |
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| elnino_laptop | Thanks! I've never annouced anything so publicly before... =) | 02:05 |
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| +Radix-wrk | congrats elnino :) | 02:05 |
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| elnino_laptop | hopefully, but the first was the easy one, and everyone says the second is going to be just the opposite. | 02:05 |
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| elnino_laptop | So we're in BIG trouble. | 02:05 |
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| +Radix-wrk | heh | 02:05 |
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| elnino_laptop | Thanks Radix-wrk | 02:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, with our boys Kathy was sicker than a dog for 8 months | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | so the trend can be broken! | 02:06 |
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| +Radix-wrk | my sister is going to have her second around the same time actually | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | we need to throw a virtual baby shower or something | 02:06 |
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| elnino_laptop | actually, health wise, pregancies are easy on me.. | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | what kind of internet stuff does a baby need these days? | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | mp3 player | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | Webkin? | 02:07 |
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| elnino_laptop | I dont' know how that would work, but that could be fun. | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | cordless mouse | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | baby gear from Thinkgeek | 02:07 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9166 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): | 02:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: many bug fixes | 02:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: lots of improvements to dns management | 02:08 |
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| elnino_laptop | that's my boss's favorite place to shop. | 02:08 |
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| +Radix-wrk | get them a chumby | 02:08 |
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| * elnino_laptop now has to look at what a chumby is. | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: any releases today? | 02:10 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 02:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | which branch? | 02:10 |
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| @Haarg | doing it right now | 02:10 |
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| @Haarg | 7.5 | 02:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll hold off on this commit then | 02:10 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer could you check your email and make sure you got something about automat? | 02:10 |
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| elnino_laptop | eek.. I can't get rid of the listing on the matrix....I rolled back the CS versoin tags, that probably screwed it up. grr. | 02:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: got two | 02:11 |
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| @rizen | excellent, you should have gotten 2 | 02:11 |
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| @rizen | thanks | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | although, I'm not allowed to work on WebGUI anymore | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was fired by Vrby | 02:11 |
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| @rizen | oh yeah? | 02:11 |
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| @rizen | why is that? | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | for being 5 months late turning in conference slides | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | make that 7 months | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | hehe | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | you'll just have to turn your next set in 7 months early | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | and then all will be right with the world | 02:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | There's a next WUC in my future? | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | isn't there? | 02:12 |
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| +Radix-wrk | elnino: chumby.com funnily enough - but essentially it's a mini linux computer with touch screen, soft padded sides and an accelerometer - it's very hackable and you could do some cool stuff for kids on it. | 02:12 |
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| * perlDreamer is out of ideas, and I can't enough new bad code to talk about for Game Show, the Sequel | 02:13 |
| @rizen | would you like for me to come up with a few ideas that might inspire you? | 02:13 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9167 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/ (Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/comment.t Session/DateTime.t): fixing tests for new strings | 04:01 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9168 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.38 release | 04:01 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9169 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.37-7.5.38.pl: fix upgrade script | 04:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9170 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.38-stable: Release 7.5.38-stable | 04:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9171 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.39 dev | 04:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 04:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to commit | 04:27 |
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| jmarsden|work | Did the fix re. licence info for that one last file Ernesto was hopng for get into 7.5.38 ? | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | which file was that, jmarsden|work? | 04:39 |
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| jmarsden|work | I forget; in July there were 4, days ago he said ther was one more 3rd party file he needed a licence info change for for full Debian approval as being free software | 04:40 |
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| jmarsden|work | I'll grab the new tarball later tonight and see if I can find anything about it in the changelog. | 04:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | there was a license change in 7.5.31, but that was many weeks ago | 04:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's unrelated | 04:51 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9172 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the i18n for Gallery RSS album RSS template variable loop. | 04:51 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9173 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Forward port i18n fix for Gallery Album RSS list. | 04:51 |
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| jmarsden | Why do the upgrade_*.pl scripts in docs/upgrades/ all lack an initial #!/usr/bin/perl line? Is there any way a patch to fix this would be accepted into the official WebGUI source code? | 08:01 |
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| jmarsden | Ernesto patches them all in his Debian package, but it would seem productive to get that change into the "upstream" sources. | 08:02 |
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| @preaction | jmarsden: they don't need one as they should not be run by themselves | 08:02 |
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| jmarsden | Maybe, but without an indicator like that you can't as easily tell that they are Perl scripts , for instance using file to determine which files in the tree are Perl and counting lines of code, or whatever... they may not "need" such a line, but it would be cleaner if they had one, wouldn't it? | 08:04 |
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| @preaction | it would get accepted, but i would think that /usr/bin/env perl would be best | 08:05 |
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| @preaction | perhaps asking the dev mailing list would be best | 08:05 |
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| jmarsden | OK, thanks. | 08:06 |
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| WebGUI | no patspam | 09:08 |
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| bernd_ | Uh, plain black midnight session? | 10:09 |
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| bernd_ | Good morning everyone! | 10:09 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r9174 /experimental/ (28 files in 5 dirs): The new graphing system initial import. | 18:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r9175 /experimental/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Move the ChartMagick stuff to the right directory as was the plan all along... | 18:34 |
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| juan | in the Collaboration System, mail tab, can i configure a gmail account? | 18:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | does gmail feature pop3? | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, what is ChartMagick? | 18:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I am recreating the the graphing system in webgui agnostic modules that will be placed on CPAN | 18:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and webgui will be using it | 18:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and whe i say recreating i also mean making it better | 18:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so i chceked out some of the available charting systems on cpan | 18:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and i tried to make mine better than them | 18:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It's not finished yet | 18:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but it's going good | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | dude, for you that will be no problem | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Oh, uber-European hacker | 18:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so if you like, please chcek it out | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you have tests? | 18:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in the scripts directory there are a number of test scripts | 18:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no tests yet | 18:59 |
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| juan | MrHairgrease, gmail uses pop | 19:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the files in the scripts directory render charts for you | 19:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | most of em to out.png | 19:00 |
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| juan | but it uses a different port | 19:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anyway if you have the time, please let me know how you like th api | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ther's no pod yet, but you should be able to figure it out pretty easily from the test scripts | 19:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | juan: i dunno if i can work if gmail uses a non-standard port | 19:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i can try to find out though | 19:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 19:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | juan: from the code it seems that you could try to stick the port number onto the url | 19:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so if gmail has pop on pop3.gmail.com on port 8799 | 19:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | try to use pop3.gmail.com:8799 | 19:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | otherwise I don't think it'll work | 19:05 |
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| juan | ok, i am going to try | 19:10 |
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| juan | thanks | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | just how many canaries do you own? | 19:52 |
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| danny_mk | I have about 90+ | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | does that cause a problem with disposal, or do you have a nitrate business on the side? | 20:31 |
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| danny_mk | LOL, no, just throw the stuff in the trash. It is not as much as you would think. during the worst year if would probably be the same as a couple of weeks of human disposal :-) | 20:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | quiet today? | 22:34 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer? | 23:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, bernd_? | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I just got back from running. You have excellent timing. | 23:24 |
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| bernd_ | One moment, please. I am brushing my teeth :-) | 23:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | np | 23:24 |
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| bernd_ | Ok, back again! | 23:25 |
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| bernd_ | I have a quiz for you: | 23:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9178 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Gallery.pm Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm): Update from translation server | 23:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9179 /translations/German/German/Asset_Gallery.pm: Update from translation server | 23:26 |
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| bernd_ | If you have an image in print quality (300 dpi) and screen quality (72 dpi), | 23:26 |
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| bernd_ | what's the approximate size ratio then? | 23:26 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer? | 23:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | not sure, bernd_ | 23:27 |
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| bernd_ | It says 3-fold in the docs. | 23:27 |
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| bernd_ | But imo it should be 10-fold. | 23:28 |
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| bernd_ | Or am I wrong here? | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | 300/72 =~ 4 | 23:28 |
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| bernd_ | 16-fold in that case. | 23:28 |
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| bernd_ | I am referring to the "maxSpacePerUser description" key in Asset_Gallery.pm | 23:29 |
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| bernd_ | Ticket? | 23:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | let me read the docs for that | 23:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought that referred to disk space | 23:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is loosely correlated to dpi | 23:29 |
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| bernd_ | Ah no, wrong key actually. | 23:29 |
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| bernd_ | I have to check again. | 23:30 |
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| bernd_ | It is "imageDensity description", in fact. | 23:30 |
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| bernd_ | Should be changed to 16-fold, do you agree? | 23:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think that is an approximate number | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | and 16 fold would refer to the size, not the resolution? | 23:32 |
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| bernd_ | But it says "The density of the image. Print-quality images are more than three times the size of web-quality images." | 23:32 |
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| bernd_ | Maybe it should be "... three times the resolution ..." | 23:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | unless, due to compression, the relation is not linear | 23:33 |
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| bernd_ | If we changed it to resolution it would be always true. | 23:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:34 |
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| bernd_ | Ticket? | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Please! | 23:34 |
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| bernd_ | Almost done. Thanks for your time! | 23:35 |
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| bernd_ | Have a good night! | 23:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Good night, bernd_! | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk: any thoughts about this: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/CSuWYwoOSn8/article.pl | 23:45 |
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| danny_mk | yeah! Usage is low because people don't understand what it does and your average user will not bother with learning new technology (even simple solutions) | 23:47 |
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| danny_mk | The fact that facebook, yahoo, aol, myspace, etc... are using it should increase acceptance and usuage | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | so really, this is just anti-OpenID, inflammatory flamebait | 23:49 |
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| danny_mk | I would think so :-) | 23:49 |
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| danny_mk | think about it, do you really want to keep track of all your login and passwords to every system/network/etc... you have created? | 23:50 |
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| danny_mk | I have actually adapted it at work and acceptance was great | 23:51 |
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| danny_mk | Have you tried it yet? | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | haven't ever needed it | 23:52 |
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| danny_mk | Give me a few min of your time and I will show you what it does | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I understand the basic concepts | 23:54 |
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| danny_mk | Do you have a few min? | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, unless I get an IM ping back :) | 23:54 |
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| danny_mk | Do you have a yahoo, aol, myspace, facebook, google account? | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have a google account | 23:55 |
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| danny_mk | alright, point your browser to openid.dbash.com | 23:56 |
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| danny_mk | Click on: If you would like to try it out sign in here! Sign In | 23:56 |
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| danny_mk | and use your google account to signup | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | seems slow | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | still loading after the google authorization request | 00:00 |
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| danny_mk | sure, my network connection is slow as hell | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, got the auth email, hit the link and logged in | 00:03 |
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| danny_mk | I am looking at upgrading my cable modem service to a business | 00:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | but there's no way to tell if I'm logged in or not | 00:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | how would I tell the difference? | 00:03 |
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| danny_mk | you don't see a difference, the account link in the middle of the page? | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | what is my OpenId identifier? | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | just the email address? | 00:04 |
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| danny_mk | give me a sec | 00:04 |
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| danny_mk | You don't see a message like this one: Welcome Daniel M you have succesfully logged into this site using your OpenId account. | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | Nope | 00:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the openId identifier? | 00:09 |
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| danny_mk | OK, I can see that you did create an account. and that your account is active | 00:09 |
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| danny_mk | The openid identifier is a unique identifier that identifies you on the web. | 00:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do I know what mine is? | 00:10 |
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| danny_mk | It seems that you created and activated your account but did not login | 00:11 |
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| danny_mk | click on the link again and login and you will see your identifier under your account settings | 00:11 |
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| danny_mk | I don't want to post it here | 00:11 |
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| danny_mk | not that it matters anyway | 00:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | the problem with that is that I don't now how to login | 00:11 |
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| danny_mk | click the link that you used to create the account! | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah now I'm logged in | 00:13 |
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| danny_mk | yes, steps are to create->activate/verify->login | 00:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do I log out? | 00:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | or access my profile? | 00:13 |
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| danny_mk | look in the middle of the page, you have the: Hello Daniel M. Click here to log out. My Account links | 00:15 |
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| danny_mk | well. it will show you your settings :-) | 00:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can safely change the username from the megastring to something else? | 00:16 |
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| danny_mk | Yes | 00:16 |
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| danny_mk | It all works the same as Auth::WebGUI | 00:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | from a usability standpoint, I'd ask the user for a username during the create process | 00:16 |
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| danny_mk | I did, you missed it! :-P | 00:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm a very bad user | 00:18 |
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| danny_mk | LOL | 00:18 |
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| danny_mk | Maybe I should have some bells, whistles and lighting... | 00:19 |
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| danny_mk | Usernames can get pretty long because of the OpenId identity | 00:19 |
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| danny_mk | did you notice yours? | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, it's much longer than I would remember. | 00:26 |
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| danny_mk | You don't have to remember it. I set my yahoo one to be https://me.yahoo.com/danny_mk | 00:27 |
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| danny_mk | you can probably set your google one to something like https://me.google.com/perlDreamer | 00:28 |
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| danny_mk | You have to login to your google account and change it just like I did my yahoo one | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | Maybe I'll tinker with it later | 00:28 |
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| danny_mk | OK | 00:29 |
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| Lisette | if i have a payDriver, how to do to get something of the definition by code? | 00:36 |
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| daviddelikat | so I've been working on this stray character in Syndicated Content... I can't quite figure out where the character is coming from, but I can get rid of it. is that an acceptable solution? | 00:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope | 00:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | if the user can enter it, we have to deal with it | 00:40 |
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| daviddelikat | that is the problem, I can't enter it... even if I try to paste it in it doesn't go wrong. | 00:41 |
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| daviddelikat | the only one who can make it happen is kristi | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | kristi is all powerful | 00:42 |
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| daviddelikat | the other thing is that it only shows up in certain places. | 00:43 |
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| daviddelikat | the character is there the whole time, but gets ignored by the browser I think | 00:43 |
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| Lisette | how to do to instace a object and get a value of your definition. | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, did Koen get a hold of you yesterday? | 02:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | he was looking for you | 02:47 |
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| +Radix-wrk | koen was looking for me too | 02:52 |
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| +Radix-wrk | must be an aussie thing | 02:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | he _did_ say he was looking for an aussie with a phone number | 02:53 |
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| @rizen | i've got a crazy question | 02:53 |
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| @rizen | let's say i want to control physical door access from webgui | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 02:54 |
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| @rizen | let me back up a sec | 02:54 |
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| @rizen | let's say i have an office space somewhere | 02:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | access to data centre only via website? | 02:54 |
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| @rizen | and i want to put a keyless entry system on that office | 02:54 |
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| @rizen | and i wanted people to be able to go to a webgui site and "checkout" the office | 02:54 |
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| @rizen | at which point webgui would give them a code | 02:54 |
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| @rizen | and then they could go to the door | 02:55 |
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| @rizen | type in the code | 02:55 |
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| @rizen | and get access | 02:55 |
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| @rizen | there would likely also be a workflow triggered that would remove the code from the door after a certain period of time | 02:55 |
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| @rizen | the webgui programming part i can do no problem | 02:55 |
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| ascii | well, i blame kal and jordon. | 02:55 |
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| @rizen | the internet connected door hardware is the problem | 02:55 |
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| @rizen | where would i find such a beast | 02:56 |
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| @rizen | it has to exist | 02:56 |
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| ascii | erp | 02:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen, possibly not | 02:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | connecting things to the internet is not known to increase their security | 02:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | instead, look for electronically controlled doors, and we can figure out the glue | 02:57 |
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| @rizen | ok well if i can even connect it to ethernet | 02:57 |
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| @rizen | i can then write a server that runs on site | 02:57 |
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| @rizen | which webgui can connect to over ssh | 02:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | offhand, I'd drive it off a small USB module that talks to a 9000 series PIC brick and some HV interface | 02:57 |
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| @rizen | well i found this: http://www.keyless.com/K1SeriesStandAlone.htm | 02:57 |
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| @rizen | but it says you have to connect at 9600 baud over a terminal | 02:57 |
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| @rizen | so i'm guessing it might work | 02:58 |
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| @rizen | via an rs232 cable | 02:58 |
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| @rizen | or something | 02:58 |
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| jmarsden|work | Sure, just put a mini-itx box with a serial port near it and hook that to the door hardware via serial and to the LAN via Cat5. | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it works over rs232, you should be in business | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | this manual shows how to connect: http://www.keyless.com/PDF/K1ERM1105.pdf | 02:59 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.salto.us/ | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | that looks promising Radix-wrk | 03:01 |
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| @rizen | crap, it requires a card to enter though | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | since this can be virtually anybody, it needs to be a keypad | 03:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's a CPAN module for doing serial port programming, but you can also do it via perl builtins and POSIX | 03:02 |
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| jmarsden|work | Device::SerialPort -- see http://search.cpan.org/~cook/Device-SerialPort-1.04/SerialPort.pm | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | that is just too cool | 03:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | wonder if X10 do anything like that | 03:04 |
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| jmarsden|work | Ugh. X10 is for home use stuff, I wouldn't use it in an office or factory environment. | 03:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | true | 03:05 |
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| * jmarsden|work wrote Perl code to talk over serial lines to Vacuum pumps and monitors at a football-field size proton accelerator (medical facility) a few years ago... and it still works :) | 03:06 |
| @rizen | nice jmarsden|work | 03:07 |
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| jmarsden|work | It was fun... the serial stuff went to Portmaster boxes that had ethernet... and then nagios could monitor all this stuff and page the duty techs if the vacuum got too poor, or if a pump overheated, etc. | 03:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | is the webgui empire down right now? | 03:12 |
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| @rizen | it stops responding for about 10 minutes at around 7pm every day | 03:13 |
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| @rizen | working on a fix for that | 03:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, WebGUI is smart enough to know that 7:00pm CST is 5:00pm PST, when everyone in the US stops working. So it steps outside for a quick break. | 03:17 |
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| @rizen | that's why it is that time | 03:17 |
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| @rizen | =) | 03:17 |
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| @rizen | methinks i need to call a locksmith or security company and see what they have for products | 03:23 |
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| jmarsden|work | rizen: Read around on the web first... places like http://www.sdcsecurity.com/ may help? | 03:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: have you been to the mailbox lately? | 03:50 |
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| @rizen | not this week | 03:50 |
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| @rizen | will be going tomorrow or friday at the latest | 03:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's probably worth your time to stop by there | 03:50 |
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| @rizen | if i received a package i would have gotten an email about it | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | hint hint wink wink nudge nudge you know you know | 03:51 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Removed SimpleEditor title, improved handling of editor window when it | 05:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: is bigger than viewable screen | 05:20 |
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| daviddelikat | so what version of WebGUI is running on www.webgui.org? | 05:57 |
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| elnino | usually the latest and greatest. | 06:57 |
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| elnino | but don't take my word. | 06:57 |
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| jmarsden | elnino: Sadly, running HEAD http://www.webgui.org doesn't tell us, they have Apache running with less than ServerTokens Full, it seems. | 07:06 |
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| elnino | ah!! but you gave me an idea... looking at the source, <meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.6.7" /> | 07:07 |
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| elnino | so my answer is 7.6.7 | 07:07 |
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| elnino | =) | 07:07 |
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| elnino | but it was daviddelidat that asked, but apparently he signed off. | 07:08 |
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| jmarsden | Yes. Well, we learned something, even if he didn't ;) | 07:09 |
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| elnino | yep! =) | 07:09 |
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| elnino | would there be anyreason to ave a template have a template child? | 07:32 |
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| elnino | s/ave/have | 07:32 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9185 /branch/survey-rfe/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 08:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Combined the folllowing RFE packages into a single Survey folder | 08:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: package: | 08:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: rfe-9202 | 08:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * Default Answer Edit | 08:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * Default Survey Edit | 08:50 |
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| +BartJol | mmm releases of WebGUI are shown quite randomly on this dutch site | 18:36 |
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| +BartJol | http://tweakers.net/meuktracker/19275/webgui-7538.html | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | 35 people, isn't that some kind of a record? | 18:41 |
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| SynQ | I'd rather do a quality record | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, I'll have to leave then | 18:42 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 18:42 |
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| SynQ | no you don't | 18:42 |
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| SynQ | social quality | 18:42 |
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| SynQ | so all people just sitting here saying nothing should go ;) | 18:42 |
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| @bopbop | perldreamer: I figured out that the 100th day of school isn't until February, so that explains the postcard vacuum | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | phew :) | 18:44 |
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| @bopbop | I know | 18:44 |
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| +BartJol | postcard vacuum? | 18:45 |
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| @bopbop | didn't want you to lose any more sleep:) | 18:45 |
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| @bopbop | bartjol: pd and others sent some postcards to my son for a school project, but it was a long time ago | 18:45 |
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| @bopbop | pd had asked about it a few times | 18:45 |
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| +BartJol | SynQ: was that meant for me? | 18:45 |
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| +BartJol | ha | 18:46 |
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| SynQ | bart: who fit's the shoe puts it on | 18:46 |
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| +BartJol | but as a shoemaker I rather stay with my least | 18:46 |
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| SynQ | kristy: our card is still coming :) | 18:47 |
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| @bopbop | thank you SynQ! | 18:47 |
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| SynQ | pardon the y | 18:47 |
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| SynQ | :) | 18:47 |
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| @bopbop | np | 18:47 |
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| +BartJol | I'm no failurehair SynQ | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | failure hair? | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | is that a Dutch phrase? | 18:49 |
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| +BartJol | yeah faalhaas | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like it! | 18:49 |
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| +BartJol | well it actually shoulde be hare | 18:49 |
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| +BartJol | like a bunny like animal, but then different | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | failure hair is much funnier in English | 18:50 |
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| @bopbop | I pictured a balding Bart | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see some guy with a really bad toupe' | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | or the combover with 3 strands of hair | 18:50 |
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| +BartJol | or tavisto's metro style | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | or with a can of that spray paint stuff | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto has an aura about him | 18:51 |
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| SynQ | actually | 18:51 |
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| SynQ | it's failurehare then | 18:51 |
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| SynQ | the hare that fails | 18:51 |
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| +BartJol | indeed | 18:51 |
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| SynQ | oh | 18:51 |
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| @bopbop | as in, the turtle and hare?... is that the reference | 18:51 |
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| SynQ | I have to go for dinner | 18:52 |
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| SynQ | be back later | 18:52 |
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| SynQ | ~ | 18:52 |
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| +BartJol | mmm maybe we should organise a Dutchism presentation at the WUC | 18:53 |
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| +BartJol | any fans? | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd come | 18:56 |
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| +BartJol | more an after session thing | 18:56 |
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| +BartJol | shouldn't be a problem just record everything Martin says in englisg | 18:56 |
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| +BartJol | he's a natural | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, if there's failure hair, what does that make MrHairgrease? | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | Uberhaar? | 18:57 |
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| +BartJol | haargraas | 18:58 |
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| +BartJol | like cows eat grass, but then hair istead of grass | 18:58 |
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| elnino | Hi. Trying to figure out the photo gallary... It seems that the way it is setup, you have gallery with multiple albums. well, we're only going to have one album, and have it display in the thumbnail view on the page..Similar to amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Little-People-Christmas-Story-Nativity/dp/B000067R86/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1231257300&sr=8-1 Is there a cool way to do this? | 22:27 |
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| elnino | hmm. It looks like in the asset manager, I can cut the album out from underneath the gallary and paste it independantly on to a page (severed from the gallary), but when viewing the page, it displays NOTHING.so something is spitting out bad html... =( | 22:32 |
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| @preaction | elnino: you shouldnt be doing that | 22:33 |
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| elnino | =( | 22:33 |
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| elnino | I put it back.. | 22:33 |
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| elnino | how do I just get the album? | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | elnino: check the Display tab of the Gallery edit screen, you can display just one album right away | 22:34 |
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| elnino | right, but the customer has to click on the album (and leave our product page) to get to what I would like to mimick on amazon. | 22:34 |
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| elnino | maybe I should do it the old fashion way with the CS asset.... | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | elnino: did you check the display tab yet? the part that says Display Mode. choose the option that says Single Album | 22:35 |
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| elnino | Yes ((I had already set the gallary to show one album.) - maybe it's a bug in 7.5.24 | 22:36 |
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| @preaction | did you select which album it should display? | 22:37 |
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| elnino | well, I tried, but the [select] never became a link for me to click on to select it. - but let me try "typing it" =) | 22:40 |
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| @preaction | pretty sure you can't type it | 22:41 |
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| elnino | oh.. I see... hold on. | 22:42 |
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| elnino | ok... now is there a way for the album to default to thumbview (like amazon?) | 22:46 |
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| elnino | when I edit the album, I just get title, description, and choose the thumbnail to represent the album. I don't see a "properties tab type" page. | 22:47 |
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| elnino | and nothing obvious under the gallery's settings. | 22:47 |
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| @preaction | no, there isn't a way to do that yet | 22:47 |
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| elnino | ok. At least I didn't miss it somewhere... | 22:48 |
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| elnino | ok,... so when in thumbnail mode, I get the "enlarged" version both from hovering and clicking - which template would be used to modify that behavior? | 22:50 |
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| @preaction | the thumbnails template | 22:51 |
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| @preaction | Default Album View Thumbnails i think | 22:51 |
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| elnino | ok. | 22:51 |
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| elnino | and by the way, when in "single album" mode the admin's controls only link to the album, the only way to get to the gallery settings it to go back intot he asset manager. Has that been reported/fixed? This 7.5.24 seems to be one of the eariler versions of this asset.... | 22:52 |
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| @preaction | i'm not sure that's a bug really | 22:52 |
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| elnino | I'm viewing the page that the gallary is on, so the edit button should edit the gallery, there is already a separate link to edit the album. | 22:54 |
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| elnino | I supose it's consistant with the rest of the buttons and the icon used, but if the page contains the gallery which contains the album, I would think that the admincontrols would be for the gallery | 22:56 |
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| elnino | when viwing the apge. | 22:56 |
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| elnino | oh geez. when viewing the page. | 22:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisett1, about your question yesterday. The definition subroutine is a class method, and it returns a data structure. | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | You can find examples of how to use it inside Asset.pm | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | just look for ->definition | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHaargraas, long time no see | 00:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey Pd, you must be talking to my Swedish cousin | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, I was talking with BartJol | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | he was teaching us some Dutch | 00:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah i see | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | today's lesson was faalhaar | 00:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | faalhaar or faalhaas | 00:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ? | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | at first, he said it was failure hair | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | then failure hare | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | faalhaar | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, faalhaas | 00:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the former would certainly translate as faalhaar | 00:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the latter indeed is the much more common word faalhaas | 00:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and with common i mean, used by academia | 00:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol is academia. Cool | 00:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and with academia i mean boozed out frat boys =) | 00:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | talking of which... | 00:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | where does the phrase come from? | 00:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what phrase? | 00:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | faalhaas | 00:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 00:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 00:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe it's on wikipedia | 00:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heh | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | perhaps, but I would have problems reading the dutch article on it | 00:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wikipedia lists it under military slang | 00:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the word refers to a person who is sucking bad | 00:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in the sense of failing so to say | 00:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so you can call someone a faler (=failer) | 00:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | in english, it sounds like "fall haws" or "fale hase"? | 00:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but faalhaas has a better ring to it | 00:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | neither | 00:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | both aa's are long sounds | 00:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | fallhaws would be the most correct of the two, but it's still wrong =) | 00:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you've been in germany right? | 00:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | know the river Aare? | 00:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 00:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the aa's a pronounced the same | 00:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll have Kathy coach me on it | 00:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | done anything in the submicron scale lately? | 00:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i work two days a week for mapper lithogrphy | 00:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | doing cleanroom stuff | 00:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | www.mapperlithography.com | 00:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | very cool | 00:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | maskless semiconductors | 00:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maskless lithography | 00:19 |
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| SynQ | ah | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I worked with people who made masks by hand. | 00:19 |
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| SynQ | if it refairs to the military | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | but they were kind of older | 00:19 |
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| SynQ | it has to do with sand hare | 00:19 |
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| SynQ | which is a term for 'soldier' | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | late 40's/early 50's of age | 00:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what happened? They run out of hands to make masks from? | 00:20 |
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| SynQ | a 'sandhare' is a soldier who digs itself into a shootingpit (schuttersputje) | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, they came out with this computer thingy that would do it for you | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | A Calma Station | 00:20 |
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| SynQ | and therefore resebles a hare | 00:20 |
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| SynQ | and a failhare is a sandhare that has failed to do it right | 00:20 |
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| SynQ | and thus gets shot | 00:20 |
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| SynQ | I presume | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ, then also called a dead hare? | 00:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | good thing, i guess no the maskfabs are a lot less bloody =) | 00:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wow | 00:21 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: probably yes | 00:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if procolix fails you can alwys become an etymologist koen! | 00:22 |
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| SynQ | procolix will never fail | 00:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i certainly hope so | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | since that is as unlikely as JT admitting being wrong on using perl instead of php | 00:23 |
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| @tavisto | OQAPI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 00:23 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 00:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if it isn't my favorite tavis! | 00:24 |
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| SynQ | tavis: do you have a cheerleader permit? | 00:24 |
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| SynQ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHb-KsC_ik | 00:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I now he has a tutu | 00:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | tavisto: nice pbwg interview btw | 00:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and a good thing the allegations aren't false =) | 00:25 |
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| @tavisto | hey SynQ, if you get me a hoodie then I'll wear it around screaming Procolix too | 00:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | procolix has to many syllables to be shoutable | 00:26 |
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| SynQ | tavis: what if I get you a bandana? | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | i was wrong to use Perl | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | PHP rules | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | especially PHP4 | 00:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it sure does | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | it's my favorite | 00:27 |
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| * rizen runs to boil himself in oil to get the bad PHP germs off him | 00:27 |
| @tavisto | SynQ I dunno about bandanas... people who wear em are either in a gang or are pirates.. I'm neither | 00:28 |
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| SynQ | top heads then | 00:29 |
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| SynQ | olive oil? | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | those are usually undertaers | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | undertakers* | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | olive oil might be just right =) | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | i have a picture of tavisto wearing a bandana | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | ah | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | so he is in a gang? | 00:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | a prirate gang | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | TGBW | 00:30 |
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| @rizen | i think it's a metrosexual gang | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | The Gang Behing WebGUI | 00:30 |
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| SynQ | behind | 00:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen: it must be | 00:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | otherwise the allegations would be false, which they aren't | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | i still want to see BartJol's cartoon about Metrosexual Man | 00:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you never seen it? | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | starring tavisto | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | nope | 00:31 |
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| SynQ | rizen: it's probably somewhere on www.bartjol.nl | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | Sarah told me about it | 00:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe i have it somewhere in my mail | 00:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 00:32 |
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| SynQ | JT: can you finish WRE 1.0 64bit tomorrow? | 00:32 |
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| SynQ | we need it :P | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | sorry no | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | damn | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | i'm working on specs for 7.7 | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | then i can work on WRE 1.0 again | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | ok | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | too bad then | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | sorry man | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | it will be in your hands sometime in february | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | might be january but i doubt it | 00:34 |
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| SynQ | It would be a nice present for my babies website ;) | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Has the baby come out, then? | 00:35 |
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| SynQ | not yeat | 00:35 |
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| SynQ | yet | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | You know, Muhammad Ali was born on January 17th | 00:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would be a good day to be born | 00:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | can she hold it for 8 more days? | 00:37 |
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| SynQ | I want it to be born the 21st | 00:37 |
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| SynQ | 21 - 1 - 2009 | 00:37 |
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| SynQ | 211 200 9 | 00:37 |
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| @tavisto | hah, that's right... my character in Rizen's game.. Merc, I'm a badarse in that | 00:38 |
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| @tavisto | and I am wearing a bandana | 00:38 |
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| @tavisto | and camo. | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | we all know that Koen is the real badass in that game | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | that is a good thought to end the day with | 00:40 |
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| SynQ | I'm going to sleep | 00:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | soory, can't find the file | 00:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'll ask bart tomorrow | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen, we had 40 people in here today | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | the numbers have been up | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | i was blown away when i saw 35 yesterday | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | cuz the highest i remember was 30 | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | 40 today | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | 1 billion tomorrow | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | =) | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | then again, i'm easy to surprise, cuz i don't often look at the user count | 00:53 |
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| @tavisto | yeah it's really jumped in the last 2 months or so | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | anyone here heard of Selenium? | 01:26 |
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| @preaction | http://seleniumhq.org/ | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been wanting to play with that for a while, but am lacking in tuits | 01:27 |
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| @preaction | long story short: uses web browser engine to perform automated testing of website from the frontend | 01:27 |
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| @preaction | http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=720018 <- here's one | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | hm... doesn't seem like much of a tutorial really | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think we could use Selenium for automation, as well as testing | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | FF already lets you record sequences of tasks to do over and over again | 01:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Selenium is really just a way to do that with flow control | 01:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | plus, it works on lots of browsers | 01:38 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: ping | 04:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9186 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Gracefully handle Survey question with no answers | 05:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: pong | 06:03 |
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| patspam | heya | 06:04 |
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| patspam | just had a request from someone building a large survey for the ability to preview what sections will look like | 06:05 |
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| patspam | because when the survey is large it's a pain to click your way through to the point you want to look at | 06:05 |
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| patspam | i was thinking of adding a "preview" link in the Edit Survey dialog that simulates what a Section or Question will look like | 06:05 |
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| patspam | what do you think? | 06:06 |
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| patspam | alternatively, a "take survey from this point" link that created a response to make survey think you were up to that point would work too | 06:06 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9187 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: | 06:07 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Handle Survey qs without answers even more gracefully (e.g. by not | 06:07 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: breaking) | 06:07 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: hmm, the preview link seems the better solution, yet obviously more difficult. | 06:42 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | If the preview was just showing a single page, and you gave it which question you wanted to start from in that section, it should be fairly easy and straightforward. | 06:43 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9188 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added "Preview" button for survey builders | 09:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9189 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (editsurvey.js editsurvey/object.js): Refactored editsurvey js | 09:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9190 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content corrupts wide characters | 12:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9191 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/comment.t: fixing photo comment test | 12:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9192 /WebGUI/www/uploads/ (628 files in 302 dirs): convert to new storage format | 12:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9193 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.8 release | 12:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9194 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.8-beta: Release 7.6.8-beta | 13:55 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9195 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.9 dev | 14:24 |
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| juan | i have some sites in WG 7.4.40, can i upgrade them directly to 7.5.38? | 15:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | have you read gotch.txt? | 15:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, folks | 18:11 |
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| @Haarg | morning | 18:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | you were a busy guy last night, Haarg | 18:13 |
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| bernd_ | Morning everyone :-) | 18:13 |
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| @Haarg | i have a cold and wasn't sleeping well | 18:13 |
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| @Haarg | kind of odd with that syndicated content wide char bug | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I know | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | If I'd had spectre running, I suspect that I would never have seen it | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | since it would have fetched new content right away | 18:16 |
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| @Haarg | i knew there was a problem with wide characters and had assumed the bug was about that without even reading it | 18:17 |
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| @Haarg | but it turned out to be a separate issue | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | really? | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I should read the patch and learn | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | one thing that isn't in the changelog that really should have been | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I went through all 247 templates for i18n | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't have a way of verifying, but I would guess that were over 99% i18n now | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | and, with discussion from bernd_ and preaction, we have a way for making i18n phrases more grammatically correct in other languages | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it is yet to be implemented | 18:18 |
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| @Haarg | at this point i'm assuming the wide character thing in your bug report is an XML::TreePP bug | 18:20 |
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| @Haarg | but i'm not certain | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | since it didn't exist in 7.5, I think that's a good assumption | 18:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | unless it's coming in during the caching | 18:21 |
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| @Haarg | i doubt it | 18:21 |
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| @Haarg | had another fun issue with the 7.6 synd content asset | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | where with the way it was improperly decoding the wide chars | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | it caused one of the regexes to run forever | 18:23 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | but only on some machines | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | it doesn't run forever on os x as far as i can tell | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | but does on rhel | 18:23 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: uhg, I'll never understand how arabic can work with utf8::downgrade. I mean really? Either Perl is magically picking the arabic encoding for 8 bit chars, or somehow you can convert multi-byte chars into 8 bit encodings that display just fine. Encodings are the work of the devil! | 18:26 |
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| @Haarg | the important thing to remember is that it isn't properly encoded to begin with | 18:27 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: heh, that helps but I think I won't get it until it is flowcharted. | 18:32 |
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| deafferret | perlmonkey2: Looks pretty simple to me http://tinyurl.com/axb3h7 :) | 18:33 |
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| +bartjol | the horror, the horror! | 18:58 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: mmm, got some work to do indeed! | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, red hat's, and by extension fedora's, perl is substandard | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | If I wasn't such a red hat bigot, I'd jump on the ubuntu band wagon | 19:05 |
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| @Haarg | that's not it though | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I stubbornly hold onto the thought that they'll fix it somehow | 19:05 |
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| @Haarg | it works on os x using the system perl, my 5.10 build, and the wre | 19:05 |
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| @Haarg | it breaks on rhel using system perl or the wre | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's a postable bug to RH's bugzilla then | 19:06 |
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| @Haarg | it's very odd | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, as far as I can see, there are only a few big batches of missing i18n in WebGUI yet. | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | and most of it is in the javascript | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | excluding, or course, upcoming development | 19:12 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, I was actually relieved after all the monster under the bed stories from you | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | not as much as you thought? | 19:12 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9196 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (11 files): Update from translation server | 19:12 |
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| +bartjol | no, only 1.9 percent | 19:13 |
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| +bartjol | which is quite some work but not a tremendous amount | 19:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | good, and it all should have good context | 19:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | if not, you can jump on my toes at the WUC | 19:13 |
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| +bartjol | after my remarks I have seen improvements | 19:13 |
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| SDuensin | Hey gang. | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin! | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | only if I cancarry JT on the same time, and I Can't (or maybe can, but it will ruin my back) do that | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | SDuensin: my big facebook friend ;) | 19:15 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 19:15 |
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| SDuensin | It's very boring here. Backing up drives. | 19:15 |
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| +bartjol | oh, I just finished some translations and upgrading my site. now I head off to drink beer and play games (I know, it's getting predictable) | 19:16 |
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| +bartjol | so nice weekend everybody | 19:17 |
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| SDuensin | Beer & Games? Sounds great to me! | 19:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I still need to write that wiki article about setting up the translation server locally | 19:17 |
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| SDuensin | Enjoy, Facebook buddy! | 19:17 |
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| +bartjol | it is, Oh and to come up with a subject for my WUC-presentation | 19:17 |
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| +bartjol | thanks! | 19:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | On the variability and form of Bart Jol's hair. The long and the short of it. | 19:18 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: if you have time, I wanna do that, so you can use me as a test sunject | 19:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | next week perhaps? | 19:18 |
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| +bartjol | should be possible somewhere | 19:19 |
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| +bartjol | but I also wanna backport i18n changes in beta to stable | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is going to be a challenge | 19:19 |
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| +bartjol | lets talk about that later | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:20 |
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| bernd_ | SDuensin, you mentioned that you are running V-servers. | 20:04 |
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| bernd_ | What is your preferred virtualization solution? | 20:04 |
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| SDuensin | Hey bernd_ - I use VMware Server. | 20:24 |
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| bernd_ | And are you pleased with it? | 20:24 |
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| SDuensin | Very | 20:25 |
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| bernd_ | What about virtualbox? | 20:25 |
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| bernd_ | Does it provide the same functionality? | 20:25 |
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| SDuensin | Not really. VMware Server has a nice web UI for managing your virtual machines. | 20:25 |
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| SDuensin | VMware Server is free, too. | 20:25 |
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| bernd_ | So basically, the native gui control application available via the web? | 20:26 |
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| SDuensin | Server has no GUI. It's all in a browser. | 20:27 |
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| SDuensin | If you're doing virtual servers, it's great. If you virtualize any clients, the video performance is pretty bad. | 20:27 |
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| bernd_ | Oh, so it is a web console? | 20:28 |
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| bernd_ | The screen content being made available in your browser? | 20:29 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. There is a plugin for the browser to let you access the VM's consoles, or you can VNC to them. | 20:29 |
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| bernd_ | I think virtualbox has an integrated RDP server for that purpose. | 20:29 |
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| bernd_ | Just not the OSE version. | 20:29 |
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| bernd_ | Would that be comparable? | 20:29 |
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| SDuensin | Very similar, yea. | 20:29 |
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| bernd_ | I see. | 20:29 |
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| SDuensin | VirtualBox is nice, but I like the management tools VMware provides since I run a crapload of VMs. | 20:30 |
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| bernd_ | Ever tried paravirtualization like Xen? | 20:30 |
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| bernd_ | I see. | 20:30 |
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| SDuensin | Played with Xen a bit. I need more OS support than it provides. I still have a DOS VM! | 20:30 |
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| bernd_ | But is it worth the effort regarding performance? | 20:30 |
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| bernd_ | I understand that you need to adapt the guest. | 20:30 |
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| SDuensin | If you're doing all Linux, probably. Then again, I'm really pleased with my VMware performance. One of my VMs does video streaming and transcoding! | 20:31 |
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| jmarsden|work | bernd_: I think vmware vs virtualbox is more about who will use the VMs ... vmware "appliances" can be given to the gneral public of Windows users for demos etc; virtualbox is less common for that | 20:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's kind of like OGG vs MP3 | 20:33 |
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| bernd_ | But virtualbox provides image compatibility afaik. | 20:33 |
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| bernd_ | Or is that just for import? | 20:33 |
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| SDuensin | jmarsden|work - It all boiled down to the management for me. I've had 9 VMs going at once on my server. Very nice to be able to point-and-click between them and get overviews of the resources each is using. | 20:33 |
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| jmarsden|work | bernd_: I have not tried converting images between the two... that's an interesting thing, I'll have to try it :) | 20:34 |
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| bernd_ | I think I read that virtualbox supports vmdk. | 20:34 |
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| bernd_ | That means you should at least be able to boot vmware images. | 20:35 |
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| bernd_ | Not sure whether it works with vmdk internally. | 20:35 |
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| SDuensin | I got a buddy who swears by VirtualBox. I just never really got into it that much. | 20:37 |
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| jmarsden|work | bernd_: default disk image files for virtualbox are .vdi files, at least on my installation... | 20:38 |
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| bkqmackey | anyone out there familiar with the YUI menu? | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | with more details, perhaps :) | 21:06 |
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| bkqmackey | I just upgraded to 7.5.37, and my YUI menu is not only calling my CSS it's using the Skin that YUI includes, but I can't see where it's being called from? | 21:07 |
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| bkqmackey | and it's overriding my CSS and screwing with my text | 21:07 |
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| bkqmackey | it's not called in my head block for the menu where the normal CSS is? | 21:08 |
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| bkqmackey | (I discovered this using WebDeveloper) | 21:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | some WebGUI script tags are output inline, due to the chunked nature of how it makes output | 21:09 |
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| bkqmackey | any idea how to fix/stop it? | 21:11 |
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| bkqmackey | I'm not sure exactly what you meant... | 21:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, 1) you need to make sure that the YUI css calls are in the source of the page | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then you need to make sure that the CSS is scoped correctly | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you're leaking a div tag, or they're in the wrong order, that could be the problem | 21:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | and, there was a Navigation problem that was fixed in 7.6.8 and 7.5.38 | 21:13 |
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| bkqmackey | well the source code shows my css, then under the JS there's a link href to the SAM skin, but I don't see it when I go to edit the html/head block of the nav | 21:15 |
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| bkqmackey | that's where I guess I'm confused. | 21:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 7.5? | 21:17 |
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| bkqmackey | yes | 21:17 |
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| bkqmackey | on Windows | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | the link to skins/sam/menu.css comes from the WebGUI core code | 21:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | inside Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm | 21:18 |
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| bkqmackey | Hmm. would it be a problem that there's no Navigation.pm in the Wobject folder? | 21:20 |
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| bkqmackey | wait, found it. | 21:21 |
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| bkqmackey | I was in the wrong place, sorry. | 21:21 |
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| bkqmackey | Do you think I should delete that line then? | 21:22 |
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| bkqmackey | hmm, that did not seem to do anything. | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you delete Navigation.pm, WebGUI won't make navigations anymore | 21:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be better to fix the CSS issue | 21:42 |
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| bkqmackey | no, I'm sorry, I just tried deleting the line that called that CSS | 21:44 |
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| bkqmackey | I actually ended up renaming the CSS so it couldn't find it, which worked, but right now not sure how that'll impact me in the future. | 21:44 |
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| carogray | hi all - where is the list of contributions that used to be? We have tried to put the EmailEncode macro into our system, Graham enabled it back in December but it still isn't working. I don't know how it's supposed to work can someone point me to it? I can't find reference to it in either PB online support, WG support or the wikis | 22:10 |
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| @rizen | webgui.org/bazaar | 22:13 |
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| carogray | hah! I didn't even look there - thought it was the shop where you could buy all the purple octopus kit! sheesh! thanks | 22:14 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9197 /tools/translationserver.cgi: | 08:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Prevent namespace files from being created, unless they already exist in the English | 08:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation. | 08:25 |
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| daviddelikat | anybody know what happened to WSClient.pm? | 21:05 |
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| daviddelikat | there is no wsclient module in the svn archive yet it is available in the content menu | 21:20 |
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| jmarsden | There is lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_WSClient.pm -- is that what you are looking for? Or ./lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_WSClient.pm ? | 21:27 |
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| daviddelikat | that would be helpfu, if I had a copy of the code module it descibes :) | 21:49 |
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| daviddelikat | I actually have a copy of the module, but I'm wondering if the module is still part of the system. these things don't usually disapear from source control without some cause... | 21:51 |
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| daviddelikat | perhaps the function has been retired? | 21:52 |
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| jmarsden | daviddelikat: I found the svn revision where it was removed, r8769. The log entry was: | 01:28 |
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| jmarsden | r8769 | graham | 2008-12-02 16:32:58 -0800 (Tue, 02 Dec 2008) | 1 line | 01:29 |
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| jmarsden | removing WSClient | 01:29 |
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| jmarsden | Unfortunately the svn log comment does not say *why* it was removed :) | 01:29 |
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| daviddelikat | jmarsden: thanks, I also found the entry... | 01:40 |
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| jmarsden | Sounds like time to ask on the dev forum/list? Or ask graham, if you know who graham is? | 01:41 |
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| daviddelikat | he's up at the top of the list there, but right now I'm working on other stuff, so I'm putting it off till later... | 01:45 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks again for your research | 01:45 |
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| Radix__ | graham is Haarg | 03:49 |
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| jmarsden | Radix__: Thanks, that's what david_delikat said earlier... "he's up at the top of the list.." | 03:52 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hola, SDuensin. Is the shop still giving you fits? | 18:12 |
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| SDuensin | I'm just going to have a zillion entries in the variants drop down. | 18:13 |
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| @Haarg | if we're putting #! lines on the utility scripts, shouldn't they be marked executable? | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:28 |
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| @Haarg | should probably adjust them to be runnable from any path as well | 18:29 |
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| @Haarg | but i'll set them executable right now | 18:29 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9209 /WebGUI/sbin/installClass.pl: Add license boiler plate to installClass. | 18:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9210 /WebGUI/ (17 files in 2 dirs): marked sbin scripts as executable | 18:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | In the wiki, how do I make an attachment show up in the wiki page? | 18:50 |
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| @preaction | drag the attachment from the upper box into the page | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hm. The instructions in the box say copy and paste. Does that work too, and does it mean browser level copy and paste? | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | click and drag worked fine, btw. Thanks, preaction. | 18:53 |
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| danny_mk | Has anyone seen a better tutorial than the one at the Perl::POE site? | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, danny_mk. Never done any POE hacking. | 19:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | You could check the spectre code, though. It's POE based | 19:13 |
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| danny_mk | sure, that would be a great tutorial :-P | 19:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, it's practical... ;) | 19:13 |
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| danny_mk | gotcha! | 19:14 |
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| @preaction | i learned a lot from the poe.perl.org site | 19:16 |
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| jmarsden|work | Haarg: Do you have a minute to talk about the idea of "should probably adjust them to be runnable from any path as well" for the scripts? That would be great for packagers; in general, if they could all call one function to find out where webguiRoot is, or some centralized solution like that, this would work for for WRE, source, and packaged installs. But there's a "catch-22" - where do you put the "central place to set w | 19:50 |
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| jmarsden|work | ebguiRoot" code? /usr/local/lib/site_perl/ maybe?? | 19:50 |
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| @Haarg | not at the moment, but i'll be back in a little bit | 19:53 |
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| jmarsden|work | OK. | 19:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/features/print/112388 | 20:02 |
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| @bopbop | perlDreamer: is your presentation from wuc 08 on the WUC site? | 20:19 |
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| @bopbop | to common programming mistakes one | 20:19 |
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| @bopbop | to- the | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I mailed it to Jamie last Thursday, right before he fired me for being 7 months late | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Would you like a copy? | 20:19 |
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| @bopbop | yes please :) | 20:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer: I don't need a copy copy, but another beer would be appreciated =) | 20:21 |
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| SDuensin | Wait! What? Huh? Where have I been? There's beer?! | 20:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll see what I can do, MrHairgrease. Any preferences? | 20:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | SDuensin: that's what happens if you don't attend the wuc | 20:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | pd: no | 20:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 20:22 |
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| * SDuensin was busy destroying a database. | 20:22 |
| @preaction | better than beer, imho | 20:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, at the WUC last year, I ran a game show | 20:22 |
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| @preaction | they should all be destroyed! | 20:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | I showed some core code, and asked the audience to figure out the bugs in them | 20:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | preaction, global destruction is always nicer with beer | 20:23 |
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| * SDuensin is auto generating a ton of variants based on a few base variants already in the database. | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I gave out candy, but had a special prize for MrHairgrease, since he codes better with a beer in him | 20:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | true | 20:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but only upto a certain treshold | 20:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | 1 beer lubricates the gears | 20:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | after that performance degrades severely | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | indeed | 20:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but the corny jokes ratio keeps increasing | 20:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is that presentation on webgui.tv already btw? | 20:25 |
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| @bopbop | got it- thanks perldreamer | 20:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, I hear it's coming | 20:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nice | 20:25 |
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| -!- MrHairgrease is now known as MrAfkGraese | 20:27 |
| SDuensin | Oh hell. I've forgotten about a little thing we like to call "recursion". | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Need some firebug help | 20:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's keeping track of old version of my page as I load it | 20:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and since the page has inlined scripts, I can't tell if the new code is working or not | 20:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | any ideas on how to clear out the old versions, or to stop its caching? | 20:30 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: i've found i either have to close firebug or reload the page twice | 20:30 |
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| * perlDreamer has a strong, love hate relationship with Firebug | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a similar one with js, but it is a hate/mainly dislike relationship. | 20:34 |
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| SDuensin | I HATE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S IN MY DATABASE! ARRRRRRGH! | 20:35 |
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| SDuensin | Sorry. :-) | 20:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | you hate not being able to query it like SQL, but the data is in there | 20:35 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, and it's hard as hell to read and manage. I'm coping. Just not happy. :-) | 20:36 |
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| SDuensin | perlDreamer - FYI, this is what I was trying to avoid: http://ut.jaegertech.net/products/rings/r9904-r9903?cat=ring&num=2 | 20:54 |
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| SDuensin | Look at all those choices! | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been learning JS. Why not use it to break apart the choices, build separate form elements, and then override the save button to put them back together? | 20:55 |
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| SDuensin | Because that's a lot of work. :-P | 20:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Actually, I think "learning" is a bit of an oversimplification. | 20:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Flailing and screaming at it would be more accurate. | 20:56 |
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| SDuensin | hehehe | 20:56 |
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| SDuensin | Every time you talk about learning JS, it makes me want to learn Cappuccino again. And I don't have time! :-) | 20:57 |
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| @Haarg | jmarsden|work, regarding making them runnable from anywhere, i think having it based on the script's location is the best way to go | 20:59 |
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| @Haarg | if someone wanted to separate the perl code from the rest of the files they would have to modify the scripts, but that's not really a standard/supported way to install it | 20:59 |
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| jmarsden|work | Well, that fails when the scripts need to be in /usr/share/webgui/sbin for FHS compliance... | 20:59 |
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| jmarsden|work | Or rather, in /usr/bin --- my bad. | 21:00 |
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| @Haarg | the scripts are going to have to be modified for that no matter what we do really | 21:00 |
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| jmarsden|work | Well, if there were just one place where webguiROot was defined, that would be one place to change; not once per script... | 21:01 |
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| @Haarg | there's really no way to do that though with the way things currently are | 21:02 |
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| jmarsden|work | Well, if you (thinking out loud) had each script use a package WebGUIConf and fall back to a path say /data/WebGUI/whatever for the root if it can't load that package... then you could drop the package into /usr/local/lib/site_perl and that would set webguiRoot consistently across all scripts... ? | 21:03 |
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| jmarsden|work | Intuitively it feels wrong to have one constant (the location of webguiRoot) embedded in many scripts. | 21:04 |
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| elnino | quick question: To have two installs of webgui on the same server, would involve a manual install, right? or is there a way to use wre? | 22:28 |
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| bernd_ | You can run many sites with the wre. | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | Or do you want to have to completely independent installations? | 22:31 |
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| elnino | I know, but we're using webgui as a framework for an internal application, | 22:31 |
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| bernd_ | two | 22:31 |
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| elnino | and it probably will along side a vanilla untouched wre that hosts our corporate website. | 22:31 |
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| elnino | yes, two. =) | 22:31 |
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| bernd_ | ? | 22:31 |
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| @Haarg | if you wanted to run multiple versions of webgui you could use the wre, but there would be a fair bit of manual configuration. you'd need to run a separate modperl server for instance. | 22:32 |
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| bernd_ | And if you use two virtual appliances instead? | 22:32 |
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| bernd_ | Or one at least. | 22:33 |
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| elnino | that is a possiblity. | 22:33 |
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| elnino | hmm. lets put it this way.. maybe I can get by with one install. I have a bunch of new assesthat I want to have in one webgui, but not the other. | 22:33 |
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| elnino | s/assesthat/assets that/ | 22:33 |
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| bernd_ | I think that can be configured on a per site basis. | 22:33 |
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| @Haarg | you can configure that in the config file for each site | 22:33 |
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| bernd_ | I was first :-) | 22:34 |
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| elnino | I *Hope* I don't have to modify any of the base code to support these new assets. | 22:34 |
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| elnino | But I have a feeling I will, because the result will be a webgui install that only has an asset tree and "edit properties" screens available, there is no "website" or "turn admin off" mode. | 22:35 |
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| elnino | s/asset tree/asset manager/ | 22:35 |
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| bernd_ | Why disable it if you could just hide it? | 22:36 |
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| elnino | hide it via the viewable permissions? | 22:37 |
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| elnino | or config file? | 22:37 |
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| bernd_ | Just switch to admin mode after login, somehow, and do not provide a link for switching? | 22:38 |
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| bernd_ | back | 22:38 |
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| elnino | ok.. I can probably do that with a minor change to the autho mod. | 22:40 |
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| elnino | s/autho/auth | 22:40 |
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| elnino | terrible typing!! sorry. | 22:40 |
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| bernd_ | You could probably also configure mod_proxy to append something like ?func=edit to every url. | 22:41 |
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| bernd_ | Since we are talking about dirty hacks, you could also embed a macro in the first page that does the job. | 22:42 |
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| elnino | hmmm. cleaver. | 22:42 |
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| bernd_ | That way you would not have to change the core. | 22:42 |
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| elnino | s/cleaver/clever | 22:42 |
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| elnino | very clever. ok you're convincing. | 22:42 |
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| bernd_ | Not often :-) | 22:42 |
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| elnino | these creative ideas are very timely. | 22:43 |
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| elnino | we were considering reinventing the wheel using java | 22:43 |
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| bernd_ | For what you just described? | 22:44 |
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| elnino | yes | 22:44 |
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| elnino | well, and for all the assets we have to create that I didn't mention. | 22:45 |
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| elnino | my issues with using webgui was, multi installs (which you addresses) disabling the website (which you addressed) and creating dynamic edit pages (instead of hardcoding properties like webgui currently does), but I think | 22:46 |
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| elnino | I worked that out in my mind. I hope. | 22:46 |
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| bernd_ | Good luck! | 22:47 |
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| elnino | and I really don't want to modify the base code, but I think I convinced the hardware engineerss (my "customers") that webgui's methods are best (without mentioning webgui because they have no idea what it is.) | 22:47 |
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| elnino | So I think I'm around that issue too. | 22:47 |
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| elnino | thanks. i just don't want to start one direction and get stuck and go back tojava. | 22:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | ARRRGGGHHHH | 22:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Don't say that word, elnino. | 22:49 |
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| bernd_ | Better do not disappoint them then ;-) | 22:49 |
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| elnino | I'm sorry.. It was being considered because that thing only language my cowork knows. | 22:49 |
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| bernd_ | jmarsden, do you know the URL of your PPA by heart? | 22:51 |
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| bernd_ | Or jmarsden|work, maybe? | 22:51 |
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| jmarsden|work | bernd_: for looking at it, or for a deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list? | 22:51 |
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| bernd_ | The latter. | 22:52 |
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| jmarsden|work | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jmarsden/ubuntu intrepid main | 22:52 |
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| elnino | The ?edit screen, is defined by each pm module for each asset, right? like www_edit or something... | 22:53 |
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| bernd_ | Bu I think I found it already. | 22:53 |
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| bernd_ | Is it "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jmarsden/ubuntu intrepid main"? | 22:53 |
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| bernd_ | Looks the same to me? | 22:53 |
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| jmarsden|work | Isn't that what I just posted here? | 22:54 |
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| bernd_ | elnino, I would think so but I am not 100% certain. | 22:54 |
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| bernd_ | Is it defined in Asset.pm or Wobject.pm? | 22:54 |
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| bernd_ | In that case you should be safe. | 22:54 |
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| jmarsden|work | bernd_: I use http://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive to poke around by hand, but that won't work for deb lines. | 22:54 |
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| bernd_ | Seems to be a timing issue. I typed it before I saw your line. | 22:55 |
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| jmarsden|work | bernd_: Ah, OK. | 22:55 |
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| elnino | bernd_ yes, it would be subclassed... so this is good news for me. I'm pretty sure that is what I read in the developers book. | 22:55 |
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| bernd_ | Thanks for your help. | 22:56 |
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| bernd_ | I am going to test immediately. | 22:56 |
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| jmarsden|work | Cool, let me know how it goes :) | 22:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, it is always www_edit, unless you are adding, in which case it is www_add | 22:57 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, and the URL is always "?func=edit"? | 22:59 |
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| elnino | cool, because what I need to do there, is the "edit properties" screen is dynamically displayed based on data stored in a another custom asset's table. | 22:59 |
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| elnino | and by all indications, I should be able to do that too. | 23:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd: always, for an asset's core properties | 23:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | but for things like collateral, or uploads, or whatever, there's no consistent pattern | 23:00 |
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| bernd_ | Thanks, perlDreamer! | 23:03 |
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| elnino | Thank you perlDreamer and bernd_ I'm going to sleep on all this now, and make sure I have all the open-ended questions covered. | 23:04 |
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| elnino | Oh.. is there a setting to NOT have something version controlled? I take it it would not be subclassed from asset, so what would it be subclassed from? We need to have some version control and some not, OR | 23:05 |
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| elnino | have some automatically be committed while others are not | 23:06 |
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| elnino | s/setting/property | 23:06 |
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| elnino | so I guess it would be like changing the system settings vs, changing properties of an asset. | 23:07 |
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| bernd_ | You could do that via separate workflows. | 23:08 |
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| bernd_ | Create one for auto-commit, | 23:08 |
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| bernd_ | and another one for manual approval. | 23:08 |
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| bernd_ | Would that work? | 23:08 |
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| elnino | the work flow would need to know what class type the asset is. | 23:08 |
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| elnino | so I suppose that would work, unless other changes to other assets get's into the same version tag. | 23:09 |
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| bernd_ | Isn't the asset passed along to the workflow? | 23:09 |
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| elnino | yes, but if the version tag included changes to a "non versionable" asset and a "versionable" asset, what would I do? Or am I thinking too late in the process? | 23:10 |
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| bernd_ | Just make them run not in parallel. | 23:11 |
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| elnino | I would have to check the asset class BEFORE putting it under a version tag. So if i'm in a version tag already, and I modified a non-versionable asset, it would need to create a new version tag and committ it immediately.... that should work, right? | 23:11 |
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| bernd_ | Process one asset per time.# | 23:11 |
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| bernd_ | Check the type and auto-commit if it is appropriate. | 23:12 |
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| bernd_ | Collect everything else in a version tag. | 23:12 |
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| elnino | I would "check the type and auto-commit" in what workflow? | 23:12 |
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| elnino | or would that be the result if I change it to parallel? I don't know much about workfows... Assets I can handle, but I really need to learn how to grasp workflows. | 23:14 |
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| bernd_ | Not sure. Would have to look it up. | 23:14 |
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| bernd_ | But I think you would have to write your own workflow activities. | 23:14 |
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| elnino | ok. I'm thinking this is a totally custom workflow, as opposed to tweaking an existing one. | 23:15 |
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| elnino | right. You said it first. =) | 23:15 |
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| bernd_ | But at least it is pluggable. | 23:15 |
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| elnino | YES!!! | 23:15 |
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| elnino | Thank you plainblack! | 23:15 |
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| bernd_ | Good night, elnino :-) | 23:15 |
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| elnino | right..! I'll go now... | 23:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay! javascript is working | 23:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | booo! CSS is not | 23:20 |
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| bernd_ | jmarsden|work, I have unmet dependencies. | 23:20 |
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| jmarsden|work | Really? They are not in my PPA? Which dependencies? | 23:21 |
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| bernd_ | Check these error messages: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jmarsden/ubuntu intrepid main | 23:21 |
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| bernd_ | No, wrong. | 23:21 |
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| bernd_ | These: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d35713f08 | 23:21 |
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| bernd_ | Why does "apt-get install webgui" not pull in all the packages it needs? | 23:22 |
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| jmarsden|work | It does, for me.... did you do sudo apt-get update after adding that deb line ? | 23:22 |
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| bernd_ | Oh, damn! I know why... | 23:23 |
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| bernd_ | The JeOS version I have installed is hardy! | 23:23 |
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| bernd_ | Seems like I must do a release upgrade first. | 23:23 |
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| jmarsden|work | Ah... yes, that would explain it. I've not even attempted backporting to Hardy. | 23:23 |
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| bernd_ | Haven't you tested with JeOS as well? | 23:24 |
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| jmarsden|work | With the one from the Ubuntu Server 8.10 CD, yes. | 23:24 |
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| bernd_ | I see. Mine was downloaded from the web page. | 23:24 |
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| bernd_ | I probably selected the last LTS release without knowing. | 23:24 |
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| bernd_ | Alright. | 23:24 |
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| jmarsden|work | Sounds like it. | 23:25 |
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| bernd_ | Seems like I will have to postpone testing until tomorrow :-( | 23:25 |
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| jmarsden|work | Oh well... at least you are nearly there! | 23:25 |
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| jmarsden|work | DOwnloading the 8.10 server CD should only take an hour or so though... unless you have a very slow Internet connection? | 23:25 |
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| bernd_ | Slow... | 23:26 |
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| bernd_ | Sometimes it is fast. | 23:26 |
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| bernd_ | But not often. | 23:26 |
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| jmarsden|work | :) OK. | 23:26 |
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| bernd_ | But something else: would it not make sense to support hardy? | 23:26 |
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| jmarsden|work | Yes, long term it probably would, because it is LTS. | 23:26 |
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| bernd_ | I mean webgui is for server use, isn't it? | 23:27 |
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| bernd_ | Any plans to backport? | 23:27 |
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| jmarsden|work | Maybe... I'd like to get it into Jaunty as a priority... Hardy has even fewer of the dependencies that webgui needs, so I think my PPA will explode with many lib*-*-perl packages for Hardy to work! | 23:28 |
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| bernd_ | Is it not allowed to pull them in via CPAN? | 23:29 |
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| bernd_ | I mean, as long as the webgui package takes care of it? | 23:29 |
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| jmarsden|work | It is allowed as it it will work, but it is not allowed (as far as I know) to do that in an official Ubuntu package. Itwould make packaging on CD or DVD useless unles syou have a live Internet connection at install time,for example | 23:29 |
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| bernd_ | Yeah, you are right. | 23:30 |
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| jmarsden|work | And Ernesto has done such a great job of getting all the lib*-*-perl stuff packaged for Debian, it seems sad not to take advantage of that :) | 23:30 |
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| bernd_ | Going to start the upgrade and to bed afterwards. | 23:31 |
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| bernd_ | Happy hacking! | 23:31 |
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| jmarsden|work | OK, bye for now! | 23:31 |
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| elnino | exit | 23:32 |
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| elnino | Thought I was in putty. =) | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | c_thomas, just install Template::Toolkit | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | either that, or add WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit.pm to preload.exclude in the sbin directory | 23:40 |
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| bernd_ | jmarsden|work, one more thing: | 23:40 |
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| jmarsden|work | Sure | 23:40 |
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| bernd_ | Do you remember how to upgrade from LTS to non-LTS? | 23:40 |
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| bernd_ | do-release-upgrade tells me that there is no new version. | 23:40 |
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| jmarsden|work | Hmmm, something about a -d option? Let me see if I can find out... | 23:41 |
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| bernd_ | --help does not say anything about it. | 23:41 |
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| jmarsden|work | There is a -d option in the do-release-upgrade script in Intrepid... I don't have a Hardy one here to look at. | 23:43 |
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| jmarsden|work | It is in Python so you can less /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade to check ? | 23:43 |
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| bernd_ | But -d is devel. | 23:43 |
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| jmarsden|work | -p maybe?? for proposed?? | 23:44 |
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| bernd_ | Nope. But I found it. | 23:45 |
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| bernd_ | You have to change /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades. | 23:45 |
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| bernd_ | See this URL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades | 23:45 |
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| bernd_ | Now it's working! | 23:45 |
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| bernd_ | Thanks nevertheless. | 23:45 |
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| jmarsden|work | OK, glad you found it. | 23:46 |
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| jmarsden|work | Ah, yes, I remember doing that in the GUI on a Hardy desktop... | 23:46 |
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| bernd_ | Again, good night everyone! | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | In general, macros get processed _after_ the template is evaluated, right? | 23:55 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | there was a bug posted about the Snippet, and after going through the code I found it does it in the opposite order | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | when the snippet is processed as a template | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll build a test and then switch it to way it should work. | 23:59 |
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| @Haarg | well, i got the syndicated content wide character issue figured out. i'm just not sure of how to fix it. | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | Do you mean you have too many options to choose from, or that it's not possible to get it fixed? | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | proper fix is a change to XML::TreePP, but we probably need an alternate solution | 00:07 |
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| daviddelikat | did you see the email that I sent? | 00:07 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, i was writing up a response | 00:08 |
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| daviddelikat | is cter?his occuring wrt anything other than the '®' charag | 00:09 |
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| daviddelikat | i hate that... | 00:09 |
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| daviddelikat | is this happening wrt anything besides the ® character? | 00:10 |
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| @Haarg | any xml entity representing a wide character | 00:10 |
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| daviddelikat | but do we have instances of other characters? | 00:11 |
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| daviddelikat | i'm thinking that we could map the characters to the html element at the input module | 00:11 |
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| @Haarg | the sc needs to be able to accept any rss feed though | 00:12 |
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| daviddelikat | i think that the latest version of the edit plugin (third party) might do something like this | 00:12 |
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| daviddelikat | ok so the SC needs to do the mapping also | 00:12 |
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| daviddelikat | or some solution.... | 00:13 |
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| @Haarg | well, there's not really any point to doing on the input side | 00:13 |
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| @Haarg | i'm still trying to think of a good solution | 00:13 |
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| @Haarg | but the best i'm coming up with is monkeypatching XML::TreePP | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | how about patching it ourself, and sending the author a patch with test? | 00:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then waiting for the patch to be released? | 00:15 |
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| @Haarg | well, that would be the idea | 00:15 |
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| @Haarg | post a patch, and monkeypatch it until then | 00:15 |
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| @Haarg | i'm just going to report the bug to the XML::TreePP author | 00:24 |
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| @Haarg | and it can be left at that | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | works for me | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | c_thomas, did that work for you? | 00:27 |
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| c_thomas | it fix the problem with TemplateToolkit.pm | 00:28 |
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| c_thomas | but i still have the problem about get | 00:29 |
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| c_thomas | i created the preload.exclude file | 00:30 |
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| c_thomas | i guess you can see this, I just installed this irc application and was just trying to figure out all the pictures | 00:32 |
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| @Haarg | daviddelikat, i'll post back on that bug, but you can consider the sc wide character issue resolved | 01:01 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg i figured as much | 01:09 |
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| @Haarg | always annoying when the bug is in someone elses code | 01:09 |
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| @Haarg | harder to find and harder to get fixed. | 01:09 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9211 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:10 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: Add a test for evaluating templates and macros in the right order | 01:10 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: in the Snippet. Fix a bug with that. | 01:10 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9212 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting macro/template eval order bug in the Snippet. | 01:11 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9213 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 01:11 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: fixed bug 9428: ASSET::get now includes keywords when | 01:11 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: called without a property name. | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | can JS be used to remove CSS classes from an element? | 01:43 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:51 |
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| @Haarg | yui has a function for that | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll RTM | 02:00 |
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| patspam | YAHOO.util.Dom.removeClass | 02:02 |
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| patspam | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/dom/removeclass.html | 02:02 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: should bug 9428 get backported? | 02:03 |
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| daviddelikat | for that matter should any of the fixes I've made get packported? | 02:03 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 02:04 |
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| @Haarg | pretty much all bug fixes should be backported | 02:04 |
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| daviddelikat | gotta phone call | 02:04 |
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| @Haarg | aside from bugs that only affect 7.6 | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | removeClass does not seem to be working in FF for inherited classes | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | let me double check | 02:07 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 02:07 |
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| @Haarg | that isn't going to work, no | 02:07 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: what is going to be the easiest way for me to setup a 7.5 environment for this backporting? | 02:08 |
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| @Haarg | well, you could move your 7.6 version to something like /data/WebGUI.trunk/ | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, it doesn't work for inherited classes | 02:09 |
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| @Haarg | and check out 7.5 as /data/WebGUI_7.5 | 02:09 |
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| @Haarg | and use symlinks for /data/WebGUI | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | so here's the scoop | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have a span that contains a button that I YUI-fied | 02:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | YUI makes the new button a span, which inherits the settings from its parent span, which messes up the button rendering | 02:10 |
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| daviddelikat | also, do I need to backport items that do not mention any software version? | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, almost all bugs get fixed in both main branches, beta and stable, which in this case are 7.6 and 7.5 | 02:12 |
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| daviddelikat | what does the svn co command point to for the stable branch? | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.5 | 02:16 |
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| * perlDreamer goes running | 02:16 |
| patspam | perlDreamer: the class isn't inherited | 02:16 |
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| patspam | probably the parent class causes your css rules to target the child element | 02:17 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm trying to start my new WebGUI 7.5 site and I'm getting an error about Matrix_listing table doesn't exist | 03:36 |
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| Lisette | hi, how to do to get the content of a thingy? | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, double check that /data/WebGUI points to your branch location, and that you've restarted Spectre and Apache. | 04:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: if you're curious, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4f819d3 | 05:01 |
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| patspam | perlDreamer: it's the ".editItemRow span" css rule | 05:09 |
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| patspam | YUI creates a new span around the button element in the dom when you call the Button constructor | 05:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | right | 05:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I want _most_ of the spans in there to get that rule | 05:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I should call them out explicitly... | 05:12 |
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| patspam | the css rule targets all span children of a .editItemRow classed element | 05:12 |
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| patspam | just first children perhaps? | 05:12 |
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| patspam | .editItemRow > span | 05:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can say that? | 05:12 |
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| patspam | don't think IE will like it though | 05:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I'll just move the buttons, or call the rows out manually | 05:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | it also wreaks havok with the YUI Rich Editor | 05:13 |
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| * perlDreamer heads off to brush some teeth and to help the kids visit the Forest of Mirkwood | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 05:13 |
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| patspam | or how about adding .editItemRow span span { float: none; width: auto; } | 05:14 |
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| patspam | that will undo you style for any spans nested inside of spans affected by your first rule | 05:14 |
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| wgGuest49 | Hello | 05:35 |
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| wgGuest49 | Umm, anyone there? | 05:36 |
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| wgGuest49 | Guess not.... | 05:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest49, it's just late, and we're tired and slow | 05:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you have a question? | 05:41 |
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| wgGuest49 | heh i understand that | 05:42 |
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| wgGuest49 | actually it's kind of a broad question. | 05:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | out with it! | 05:42 |
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| wgGuest49 | Well I've been using html/css for years upon years. what sorta advantages does this have over the traditional ways? | 05:43 |
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| wgGuest49 | I'm sorta new to this system only heard about it recently. | 05:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest49, it's kind of like the difference between subroutines and all inlined code. | 05:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | with CSS, you change it once, and it's fixed everywhere | 05:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | with manual, per element style, you'd better be pretty good with an editor and search/replace | 05:44 |
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| wgGuest49 | Yeah it does become a pain at times. | 05:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | now, that's not too particular to WebGUI, except we always try to make styling the individual parts for WebGUI as easy for people as possible. | 05:45 |
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| wgGuest49 | Now I heard that after I present the site to my client that with this system they'll be able to update the site on their own easily and without having to call me is that true? | 05:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI has a steep learning curve, but once you've taught them the basics updating the site will be easy. | 05:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have yet to find users who do not call to ask for help. | 05:47 |
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| wgGuest49 | Does the system still have the ability to me to hardcode if needed? | 05:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | What do you mean by hardcode? | 05:48 |
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| wgGuest49 | do the actual html/css coding myself | 05:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 05:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | In fact, you can mix dynamically generated content and static content | 05:49 |
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| wgGuest49 | like dreamweaver's design window? | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Never used dreamweaver. | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Think of it more like this | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI presents you with a page | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can drop dynamic and static elements on it | 05:50 |
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| wgGuest49 | Ah it's a split panel. top half shows the code bottom half lets you drag/drop etc... | 05:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | In that case, kind of. WebGUI will let you drag and drop elements on the page. But it won't show you the code level view of the page. | 05:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | Have you tried a demo site yet? It would go a long way to showing that. | 05:51 |
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| wgGuest49 | I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow as you said it is late heh. | 05:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, I'd download a copy of the WebGUI Primer from the Bazaar area of webgui.org | 05:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's a good overview of WebGUI | 05:52 |
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| wgGuest49 | now i did look at the versions and it seems it's mostly unix based. how often is the windows version updated? | 05:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | We have stopped supporting Windows directly due to general lack of interest. | 05:52 |
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| wgGuest49 | yeah the latest version was a few down the list. | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | There have been several threads on the forums about how to use newer versions on Windows. | 05:53 |
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| wgGuest49 | linux emulation? | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | But in general it's easiest to use the VMWare image on Windows | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | see this thread: http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/windows-install/2#idFDBFevs0f_nk6P3qNlFyzQ | 05:54 |
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| wgGuest15 | woops | 05:54 |
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| wgGuest15 | sorry bout that. | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest15, you can also set a nickname for yourself, if you prefer | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | just say /nick myNewNickname | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hi, John | 05:56 |
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| John | Heya :) | 05:56 |
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| John | heh it's already registered | 05:56 |
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| Guest3283 | oh well. I'm bout to crash anyway. | 05:57 |
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| Guest3283 | Thanks for answering my questions I'll give the demo a shot in the morning. | 05:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're welcome, feel free to come back and ask more! | 05:57 |
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| Guest3283 | I'm sure I will :P | 05:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, you're a genius | 06:03 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9214 /tools/translationserver.cgi: | 06:39 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: Remove lots of extra whitespace. | 06:39 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: Convert to use the YUI Rich Text Editor. | 06:39 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: ding ding | 07:04 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: hello | 07:14 |
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| patspam | why hello | 07:14 |
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| patspam | remember that survey bug i mentioned the other day where one of my surveys text fields exploded into 145mb of garbage data? | 07:15 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 07:15 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | still having problems? | 07:15 |
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| patspam | how's this for a smoking gun: In contrast to obsessions, your worries don\x{c3}\x{83}\x{c2}\x{83}\x{c3}\x{82}\x{c2}... | 07:15 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, looks like an encoding issue. | 07:16 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | ? | 07:16 |
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| patspam | yeah, explode_on_apostrophe | 07:16 |
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| patspam | but possibly only microsoft word apostrophes | 07:16 |
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| patspam | I'm trying to trigger it now | 07:16 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | oh, wow, just realized what was going on (just slept through a dvd and trying to wake up). | 07:17 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | looks like the windows ` was badly encoded which caused everything behind it to become wide. | 07:18 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | or something | 07:18 |
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| patspam | yeah.. the first thing i can reproduce is that if you put a (') into the text it generates a couple of garbage characters | 07:20 |
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| patspam | and then every time you edit/save it the garbled text grows | 07:20 |
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| patspam | ...quadratically | 07:20 |
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| patspam | =p | 07:20 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | so the badly encoded chars are reencoded as more malformed chars | 07:23 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | so win32 `'s being read as UTF8? | 07:24 |
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| patspam | yep. and every time you edit any survey field the badness doubles | 07:24 |
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| patspam | yeah it's probably a to_json vs encode_json thing | 07:25 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | okay, I'll give it a go in about 8.5 hours and see what I come up with. | 07:26 |
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| patspam | thanks chief! | 07:26 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | the fun fun encoding fun, never ends. | 07:26 |
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| patspam | perl -e 'use JSON; use Data::Dumper; print Dumper(encode_json({a=>"'"})) . Dumper(to_json({a=>"'"}))' | 07:27 |
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| patspam | s/from_json/decode_json/g && s/to_json/encode_json/g solves it | 07:35 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I thought that was already done. | 08:10 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: you might try a diff on your branch because I was pretty sure that was already changed. | 08:10 |
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| patspam | looks like to_ and from_ methods are still in trunk | 08:13 |
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| patspam | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm | 08:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: hmm, then it seems like we went away from encode on purpose. | 08:16 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | went to to/from because encoding was being done elsewhere. I'll have to dig through the code to make sure, but maybe the change has the reason for it in the logs. Haarg would probably know, he's good about remembering these types of issues. | 08:17 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | crap, way past my bedtime. I'll see what I can figure out in the morning patspam and let you know. | 08:18 |
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| patspam | for sure!. i'm interested to hear the reasoning when you get to the bottom of it as i do a lot of json encoding in my own code | 08:18 |
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| Lisette | anyone knows about thingy? | 16:24 |
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| +BartJol | not much | 16:25 |
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| Lisette | about the code? | 16:25 |
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| Lisette | the api | 16:25 |
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| +BartJol | never worked with that | 16:25 |
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| Lisette | mmmm ok | 16:25 |
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| +BartJol | but you can try, the guy that programmed it isn't online very often | 16:28 |
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| +BartJol | i'll be back in a minute | 16:29 |
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| Lisette | how to do to get all register of a thing specified? | 16:32 |
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| +BartJol | sorry Lisette, I don't really understand what you're trying to do | 16:42 |
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| Lisette | i want to get all values of a thing | 16:45 |
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| +BartJol | it should be www_viewThingData ( ) | 16:47 |
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| +BartJol | and give the thingId as a parameter | 16:47 |
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| Lisette | i try, tjanks | 16:50 |
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| Lisette | thanks | 16:50 |
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| +BartJol | Lisette: you know you can find the API on http://www.webgui.org/downloads/builds , right? | 16:54 |
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| Lisette | yes | 17:00 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 17:02 |
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| * danny_mk is curious about the graphics->pallete/graphics->fonts | 17:07 |
| danny_mk | I have seen those options there for a long time however I have no idea what they are used for, and there does not seem to be anything about them in the Wiki | 17:08 |
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| +BartJol | danny_mk: I've never used them either, am also wondering about those, but maybe in an old version there is some info | 17:09 |
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| danny_mk | I can't believe that questions has never been asked before and it is not in the Wiki | 17:13 |
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| +BartJol | well I can imagine that the fonts can be used so people don't actually have to have all fonts installed | 17:13 |
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| danny_mk | I have a feeling they can be useful, maybe I will dig in one of these days and figure out what they do | 17:15 |
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| danny_mk | or how they can be used | 17:15 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, it's very handy when you can specify colours and fonts, but you also have to know how to incorporate them | 17:16 |
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| +BartJol | I can't find much in the help of my old site, where the help was more extensive | 17:16 |
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| danny_mk | right, there is not much info on these features | 17:18 |
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| +BartJol | danny_mk: it seems that Mr Hairgrease knows all about this stuff. It can be used in a grahic plugin, maybe his last WUC presentation can be found on the website | 17:33 |
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| danny_mk | huh? | 17:34 |
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| danny_mk | Hmmmm... now to hunt down that presentation... | 17:34 |
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| +BartJol | it has some parts: http://www.webgui.org/uploads/kr/DF/krDFC-JDs7rbX8D3TbWAAA/wuc_file.jpg | 17:37 |
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| +BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/uploads/nV/c0/nVc0CptJHtboO5qiaBRi1g/SimpleGauge.pm | 17:37 |
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| +BartJol | and http://www.webgui.org/uploads/se/if/seifvo9O4Y3YYuHZXoOrUA/gauging_the_graphing_system.pdf | 17:38 |
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| +BartJol | oops | 17:38 |
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| +BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/uploads/S1/CL/S1CL_l5LvUBYbaVGyyTEYg/GraphTest.pm | 17:39 |
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| +BartJol | instead of that jpg :) | 17:39 |
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| danny_mk | alright, thanks, let me take a look at it | 17:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: Did patspam talk to you last night about the ' char and json? | 18:01 |
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| danny_mk | Thank you BartJol, it seems that it is mainly use for the charts | 18:06 |
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| +BartJol | well, martin made the sheets | 18:06 |
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| +BartJol | but, glad to be some help | 18:06 |
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| @Haarg | he didn't talk to me about it, but i skimmed the conversation you had | 18:08 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: any idea what to do? I'm not really sure what's up with the ' anyways | 18:22 |
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| Lisette | If I have two thingy and the second one I have the first field type thingy, I can to make filters? | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | i will have to look at it again | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | i need to make sure we're using to_json/from_json consistantly | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | aside from a few special cases | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | survey shouldn't be a special case though | 18:23 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, in the wobject dir, only Poll and Calendar still use encode_json and eventmanagersystem and poll use decode_json. But the survey uses to/from. | 18:26 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: do you know where that char ' comes from? Is that a Windows apostrophe? | 18:27 |
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| @Haarg | seems likely | 18:28 |
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| @Haarg | a fancy quote or whatever | 18:28 |
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| @Haarg | word sticks those in | 18:28 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I'm just not sure what is going on with it. If it isnt' in the utf8 codespace, why can I see it in my utf8 term? If it is in the codespace, why is it blowing up in a browser/mysql browser dispalying utf8? | 18:30 |
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| @Haarg | it is in the utf8 codespace, but it isn't encoded properly | 18:31 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know why though | 18:31 |
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| mummy | oook , iuuuuuuuulll | 18:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I'm thinking this works :) perl -MEncode -e"use Data::Dumper; print Dumper encode('utf8',decode_utf8(''',Encode::LEAVE_SRC));" | 18:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Encode::LEAVE_SRC just says if it is already wide, leave it alone. | 18:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | and I'm not sure why we would expect octets in from the server? | 18:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | But session::form expects octets. Does mod_perl handle conversion from the http headers? | 18:44 |
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| @Haarg | http headers don't have that information | 18:45 |
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| @Haarg | so you just have to make an assumption | 18:45 |
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| @Haarg | which means we assume utf8 | 18:45 |
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| @Haarg | mod_perl doesn't do any conversion | 18:45 |
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| @Haarg | but we automatically decode everything that comes in, so everything coming through session->form should already by as characters | 18:46 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yes, that is the only place a decode appears to happen, at least for survey. | 18:48 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | This must be something with WG, because I can decode_utf8 then encode that char on the command line without issue. | 18:57 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: hmm, maybe its somethign I'm doing on display, because it makes it from the webserver to the database correctly formatted :) | 19:01 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | narrowed it down to the javascript js decode (you guys loving the play by play?) | 19:03 |
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| * perlDreamer is still waiting for the pointer and X O chart to be drawn | 19:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, the last trace in the server side, after the json encode shows the text correctly encoded. But in the javascript, before the json decode is called, the ' chars are malformed. | 19:06 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | intersting, an index.html with nothing but '''''''''''''''''' turns into âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM) when opened in firefox. | 19:07 |
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| @Haarg | needs some kind of headers to know the encoding | 19:08 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | firefox defaults to ISO-8859-1.........and WG doesn't send an encoding in the response header. | 19:08 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | well that was a long and painful journey to nowhere. | 19:08 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 19:09 |
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| @Haarg | that makes more sense | 19:09 |
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| @Haarg | i was thinking about it terms of that we always serve things with utf8 headers | 19:09 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I'm going to go hit myself with a hammer now. brb. | 19:09 |
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| @Haarg | but that's only for html | 19:09 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 19:10 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | so app/json should also have the econding in the header? | 19:10 |
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| @Haarg | not quite | 19:10 |
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| @Haarg | only text/ can have an encoding type | 19:10 |
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| @Haarg | i'll have to look at that | 19:11 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | tell the users to default to utf8? which they shoudl be anyways? | 19:11 |
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| @Haarg | json doesn't have an official mime type, wonder why application/ is usually chosen | 19:11 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: hmm, I left the deafult mime type and encoding in there, and the json works, but I'm still seeing the bad decodings of that char. Even though the header says it is utf8. | 19:15 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Content-Typetext/html; charset=UTF-8 | 19:15 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | That' sfrom the response header | 19:16 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know | 19:16 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: what about HTML encoding and decoding? | 19:23 |
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| @Haarg | i'll have to look at it later | 19:23 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: Naw, HTML::Encode is only used for encoding the script and link tags, so that can't be it. I'm running out of ideas. | 19:28 |
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| @Haarg | well, i can look at it some later today | 19:29 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: okay, I'm not expecting you to do anything now, just passing along whatever I'm finding. FYI, the results of running HTML::Entities encode on the char gives the malformed string I'm seeing. Have zero idea how that is happening both with WG and with just a simple index.html being read directly by firefox. | 19:32 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | almost like firefox is encoding it. | 19:32 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | '<hr>’ | 19:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | those should not show the same thing in firefox unless firefox sucks. | 19:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: okay, setting firefox to default to utf8 fixed the problem for the index.html. But I'm still getting the problem in WG. I've grep'd for all the HTML::Entities calls, and don't see how any could be called on non-tagged content. | 19:41 |
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| bkqmackey | I was wondering if anyone has seen any issues using YUI menus with IE? When you mouseover and there is a submenu, the background image is repeated, and keeps getting larger the more it's moused over. | 20:27 |
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| bkqmackey | This does not happen in FF | 20:27 |
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| bkqmackey | It also only happens on the first item that has a submenu, not the second | 20:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bkqmackey: haven't seen it, but you might want to check http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=165715&atid=836476 and report it if that hasn't been done alreday | 20:50 |
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| bkqmackey | Well I put a band-aid on it (not sure how this will impact in the future) but I renamed the new JS files and replaced them with the ones that worked when I was using 7.4.40 | 20:55 |
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| bkqmackey | And thanks for the link, I'll check if it's over there. | 20:56 |
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| bernd_ | Anyone familiar with the gallery? | 22:44 |
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| bernd_ | I found that templates conditionally include a CSS style sheet called "gallery-ie.css". | 22:44 |
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| bernd_ | But I cannot find it anywhere. | 22:45 |
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| bernd_ | Search does not return anything. | 22:45 |
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| bernd_ | It is supposed to be under "root/import/gallery-templates/gallery-ie.css". | 22:45 |
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| bernd_ | So, who has hacked the gallery? Hands up! | 22:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd_: which version of wG are you running? | 22:48 |
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| bernd_ | 7.5 | 22:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | which one? | 22:49 |
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| bernd_ | 7.5.38 to be precise. | 22:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, okay. That's what I needed. | 22:49 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, it actually may be possible it was just commented out. | 22:50 |
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| bernd_ | That is the code: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4b4a8856 | 22:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | if I create a site from 7.5.38 and go through the upgrade process, I get a gallery-ie.css file in Asset search | 22:54 |
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| bernd_ | So you upgrade to 7.5.38? | 22:55 |
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| bernd_ | Or from 7.5.38 to something? | 22:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | from 7.5.38 to .39 | 22:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | and if I make a demo server, it shows up there, too | 22:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | so what's special about your site, bernd_? | 22:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, does the demo server work by using create.sql? | 22:56 |
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| bernd_ | Not sure. | 22:56 |
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| bernd_ | Let me search again. | 22:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | gallery-ie is how I found it | 22:56 |
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| bernd_ | No it is not there. | 22:57 |
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| bernd_ | When was it included? | 22:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | it should have been installed in the upgrade to 7.5.38 | 22:57 |
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| bernd_ | I think I copied the templates from the beta when looking for i18n. | 22:57 |
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| bernd_ | But if it was included in 7.5.38 it should be there. | 22:57 |
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| bernd_ | Let my try an update later on. | 22:58 |
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| bernd_ | That is anyway on my schedule. | 22:58 |
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| bernd_ | Maybe it will show up then. | 22:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, if you're using 7.5.38 now it should be in there | 22:58 |
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| bernd_ | Hm. | 22:59 |
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| bernd_ | So obviously it was not included. | 22:59 |
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| bernd_ | I do not remember any error messages upon my last update. | 22:59 |
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| Lisette | anyone know about the api of thingy? | 23:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | what are you trying to do, Lisette? | 23:00 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, I am stupid! | 23:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hardly | 23:01 |
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| bernd_ | My version is 7.5.37! | 23:02 |
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| bernd_ | It only says that 7.5.38 is available. | 23:02 |
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| bernd_ | Stupid? | 23:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, in that case, I recommend an upgrade ;) | 23:02 |
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| bernd_ | Sorry for taking time from you. | 23:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Rosa kartoffel kopf? | 23:02 |
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| bernd_ | It is written in one word. | 23:02 |
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| bernd_ | Where did you get that one from? | 23:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | My wife's brother. | 23:02 |
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| bernd_ | Did he say it to you? | 23:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes, he was telling me that he and his friends made up words in German class by stringing them together | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | and actually, I remembered it incorrectly | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | it was rosakartoffelzaft | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Pink pototo juice | 23:04 |
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| bernd_ | saft | 23:04 |
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| bernd_ | What is it supposed to mean? | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Pink potato juice | 23:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | a non-sense word | 23:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | since potatoes are not pink, nor are they juiced | 23:05 |
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| bernd_ | I see. | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | it was a poor way of demonstrating something stupid. I'm sorry. | 23:07 |
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| bernd_ | No problem =) | 23:07 |
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| bernd_ | I was just confused. | 23:08 |
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| Lisette | i need to get the values of a thing | 23:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisette, check out the search and view methods for clues on how to do that | 23:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think there's a straight-forward way to get values for a Thing | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I could be wrong | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it's all done with SQL | 23:09 |
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| Lisette | mmm ok | 23:09 |
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| Lisette | thanks | 23:09 |
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| Lisette | another question perlDreamer, i can to get a value of a field in a definition of a paydriver by code? | 23:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Sure. I think paydrivers have a ->get method? | 23:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, they do | 23:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | so you can do $payDriver->get('vendorId') if you have an ITransact PayDriver | 23:12 |
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| Lisette | 'vendorId' is the label in a definition? | 23:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm, line 355 | 23:15 |
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| Lisette | thanks | 23:21 |
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| wgGuest76 | perlDreamer: sorry we got disconneted there, but my battery went quite suddenly | 04:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate it when that happens | 04:01 |
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| wgGuest76 | and now i can't get connected as myself. | 04:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | because your other account hasn't timed out yet | 04:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, perlmonkey2, steveo_aa, could you please kick daviddelikat? | 04:02 |
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| wgGuest76 | well, I'll be a little while anyway, I was jsut going to tell you that I'm haaving server problems | 04:02 |
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| wgGuest76 | shouldn't be but a couple of minutes though, something just did not boot correctly... | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, while you get back online, please find out what the error messages were with mod_p{erl,roxy} and pastebin them for me. | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have to go start a kid in a shower. | 04:03 |
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| wgGuest76 | yeah I'm trying to get three to go to bed too. | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | i've found it easier to put them to bed than to shower them | 04:07 |
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| wgGuest76 | indeed, showers are the ultimate in parental test | 04:09 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | whups | 04:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll be back soon, gotta enqueue a new kid into the shower | 04:19 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: sorry about that. | 04:19 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | did the invite let you back in? | 04:19 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2 no more kicking please | 04:19 |
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| daviddelikat | did i get an invite? | 04:20 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | yeah I sent one | 04:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9215 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/Site.pm): switcheroo on site/domain creation | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, using the WRE, how easy is it to switch back forth between 7.5 and 7.6? | 04:47 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | ah, well the way I do it is extremely simple. | 04:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I keep multiple complete installs soft linked | 04:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | /datahead /data7.5head /data7.5.23 etc. | 04:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and after switching softlinks, how do you build a new site? | 04:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | like I would with a new install? What do you mean? | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, say I've been working on a 7.6 site | 04:51 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | ./wreconsole? or addsite.pl? | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I have to back port some svn changes to 7.5 | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | i softlink over to 7.5 | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | then how do I create the new site? | 04:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | to test the changes with? | 04:51 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | oh, you want to backport a site to 7.5. Not sure I've ever done that. | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, not a site | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | remember, I'm WRE ignorant | 04:52 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | ah | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | so after softlinking back to a 7.5, I just run addsite.pl or wreconsole and I'm good to go/ | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | ? | 04:52 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | yep | 04:52 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 04:53 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | just make sure you've stopped the first instance completely, then link data to the other site and I always use wreconsole | 04:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 04:53 |
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| * perlDreamer takes a break to become Dentist Daddy... | 04:53 |
| daviddelikat | oooo a loose tooth | 04:54 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I'm pretty sure there is a much better way. But I can switch instances in 3 commands. | 04:54 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | good enough for me :) | 04:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | not bad at all | 05:14 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: so when i'm setting myself up for multi-version sites I want to make sure that i have a unique database for each version do i just make a different dbuser in the WebGUI conf file? | 05:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | you should be able to use the same user for all dbs | 05:29 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: hmm, I make completely unique sites. Each directory has its own WRE and WebGUI and domains. | 05:29 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | So the dbusers can be all the same with the same pwd's as they aren't with the same databases. | 05:29 |
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| daviddelikat | the site name is a parameter for addsite.pl? | 05:30 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | perl addsite.pl --help | 05:30 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | www.thesitename.com | 05:30 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2 still fails, modperl is trying to read localhost.conf | 05:39 |
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| daviddelikat | i called the new server local7_5 | 05:39 |
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| daviddelikat | there is a conf file names www.local7_5.com.conf | 05:40 |
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| daviddelikat | this was the command i used | 05:41 |
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| daviddelikat | perl /data/wre/sbin/addsite.pl --sitename=www.local7_5.com --adminPassword=123qwe | 05:41 |
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| daviddelikat | the help showed the sitename with www...com | 05:41 |
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| daviddelikat | should i heve left that off? | 05:41 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | no, I usually use www.test.com | 05:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it overwrites each time? | 05:43 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | no, I only create it once for each site. | 05:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | hmm | 05:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | why is modperl trying to read localhost.conf | 05:44 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | strange | 05:44 |
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| daviddelikat | indeed | 05:44 |
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| daviddelikat | there is one difference btwn my config and yours, I only link the WebGUI directory, not the whole data directory | 05:45 |
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| daviddelikat | is that likely to be the problem? | 05:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 05:47 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | well, hmm | 05:48 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | you use the same WRE instance with multiple WebGUI directories? I guess as long as each instance had a unique DB, there shouldn't be a problem. | 05:48 |
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| daviddelikat | unique db as in site name or ??? | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to go hang up the honyocks, be back in 10 | 05:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | as in a unique mysql schema | 05:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | hasta pd | 05:50 |
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| daviddelikat | honyocks? | 05:51 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: but that wouldn't work for me. I use www.test.com for everything. | 05:51 |
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| daviddelikat | that is why i wanted to use a different site name | 05:51 |
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| daviddelikat | hense local7_5 | 05:51 |
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| daviddelikat | so evertime you switch versions you create a new site? | 05:52 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: well when I create a new version I create a new intance of www.test.com. | 05:54 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | but I really only keep 4 around. | 05:54 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | 7.5head 7.6head a specific 7.6 and 7.5 which I svn to a specific version then reset the site. | 05:54 |
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| daviddelikat | ok I guess I'll just keep the same name, i assume that addsite drops the data tables before it creates anything ... | 05:55 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | don't know | 05:56 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | maybe | 05:56 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks for your help | 05:56 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | no problem | 05:56 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | if you have any issues, yell | 05:56 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: is this a problem? wreservice.pl --restart all | 06:12 |
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| daviddelikat | Restart MySQL: FAILED! | 06:12 |
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| daviddelikat | Restart mod_perl: FAILED! | 06:12 |
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| daviddelikat | Restart mod_proxy: FAILED! | 06:12 |
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| daviddelikat | Restart S.P.E.C.T.R.E.:OK | 06:12 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: naw, that means things are groovy | 06:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | :P | 06:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | just kidding | 06:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, what do the logs say? | 06:13 |
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| daviddelikat | I love that FIALED! | 06:13 |
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| daviddelikat | wtf | 06:13 |
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| daviddelikat | oh yeah logs | 06:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | oh is mysql started? | 06:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | if you have another version going from elsewhere, wreservice wont' stop it. | 06:13 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | and is /etc/my.cnf (or whatever it is) removed? | 06:14 |
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| daviddelikat | no I stopped it... I'll do some investigating and get back | 06:14 |
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| * daviddelikat getting sleepy | 06:15 |
| daviddelikat | virtual machines are really cool because when they gat totally bunged up you just erase them and start fresh | 06:32 |
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| daviddelikat | that assumes that you keep copies of them in stable states... | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | that has to be one of the more unique IRC handles I've seen in a while | 06:39 |
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| oddtruncheon | hello, thanks | 06:39 |
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| oddtruncheon | i've got a problem | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's your problem, oddtruncheon? | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | we're only good with WebGUI here | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | financial and personal problems are a different channel | 06:42 |
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| oddtruncheon | the workflow "Send Queued Email Messages" is driving me insane. | 06:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | which version of WebGUI are you using? | 06:42 |
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| oddtruncheon | i've started sifting through the code to understand it but i'm concerned that i'm missing something far simpler. I just upgraded to 7.5.38 | 06:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, and what's the problem with the workflow? | 06:44 |
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| oddtruncheon | as far as i can tell it never executes | 06:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | here are some things to try | 06:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | 1) change the log.conf file and set the log level to DEBUG | 06:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | this will generate TONS of output and diagnostics | 06:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'll need to restart WebGUI and spectre to see the changes | 06:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2) double check that you can connect to your email server | 06:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | port forwarding, firewall, proxy issues, the whole 9 yards | 06:46 |
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| oddtruncheon | looking at enhanced logs now. (the mail server part should be clean. i can telnet to it via port 25 no problem) | 06:47 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9216 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 06:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where the getToolbar will set links in the body of the page, | 06:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: even when adminMode is not turned on. | 06:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9217 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 06:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Moving toolbar cache into the getToolbar sub. This was to be the forward port | 06:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: of the getToolbar adminOn fix, but 7.6 already does uses adminOn to prevent | 06:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: extra output from being generated. | 06:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9218 /wrebuild/wre/sbin/wreupgrade.pl: Set the executable bit on the wreupgrade script. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, that colin guy is doing some serious hacking tonight | 06:48 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | he's on fire! | 06:49 |
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| oddtruncheon | should "192.168.1.0/32" be considered a valid subnet for the spectreSubnets entry in the site config? | 07:02 |
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| +Radix-wrk | no, 1.0 isn't a valid ip | 07:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | 192.168.1.1/32 would be | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | wouldn't the /32 cover .0 or .1? | 07:04 |
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| +Radix-wrk | depends how good the code is | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | oddtruncheon, I've only ever seen spectre setup on localhost, 127.0.0.1 | 07:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | try the WebGUI forums for more on that | 07:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | or, the WebGUI Admin Guide | 07:05 |
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| oddtruncheon | all the other workflows work fine for me so far which makes it that much more frustrating. | 07:06 |
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| oddtruncheon | at least the ones i've tried | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you sure that your email server is configured correctly in the server settings? | 07:08 |
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| oddtruncheon | i was wondering if a port needed to be specified in the smtp server line, but changing the spectresubnet to use 192.168.1.1/32 has changed a number of things in the logs. apparently 192.168.1.0/32 is not valid. | 07:11 |
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| oddtruncheon | and apparently more workslows weren't working than i expected. | 07:11 |
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| oddtruncheon | s/workslows/workflows/ | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | workslows | 07:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I like that | 07:16 |
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| oddtruncheon | Well it was the spectresubnets config that was the problem. Changed it to 192.168.1.1/32 and everything worked fine. my thanks to perlDreamer and Radix-wrk for the pointers and info. It definitely helped. | 07:26 |
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| +Radix-wrk | cool.. glad that sorted it :) | 07:26 |
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| oddtruncheon | The 0 vs 1 thing really threw me cause i've been using 192.168.0.0/32 in other apps/configs for years. | 07:27 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah? well 192.168.1.0/24 is valid as it is a subnet | 07:28 |
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| oddtruncheon | ah, maybe thats what i'm thinking | 07:28 |
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| +Radix-wrk | but 192.168.1.0/32 is not, as a /32 subnet is effectively only one ip | 07:28 |
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| oddtruncheon | ug, thats why i always try to specify the full 255.255.255.0 i never get the shorthand right. | 07:29 |
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| +Radix-wrk | heh :) | 07:29 |
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| oddtruncheon | i don't even want to think about why my firewall (192.168.1.1) is issuing the request to spectre tonight. I should probably do what I saw in the forums and update my /etc hosts to resolve my site names to 127.0.0.1. | 07:31 |
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| oddtruncheon | Thanks again. | 07:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's up elnino? | 07:45 |
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| elnino | I'm installing wre on a zen server. other than that not much. | 07:45 |
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| elnino | and you? | 07:46 |
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| elnino | busy with bugs? | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I had a look at the matrix version tag bug tonight | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure that the autocommit of the CS is a bug | 07:46 |
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| elnino | well, when I create a cs, I have to commit it in order to make posts. but I can see how it can be argued both ways. | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | but there was definitely a bug with trying to delete a CS from a matrix listing that had already been deleted | 07:46 |
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| elnino | but I guess (and maybe I didnt' mention this) the matrix wasn't supposed to be open to visitors, and according to the perms, it is not. | 07:47 |
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| elnino | so that should not even have happened at all. And because it did happen, | 07:47 |
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| elnino | I would have thought it would have "stoppped" the process | 07:47 |
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| elnino | by preventing th ecs from being autocommitted, when the site is set to not-auto0commit | 07:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | the matrix is really old code, and has always autocommitted | 07:49 |
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| elnino | it certainly is a slick asset. that's how I found webgui: www.cmsmatrix.org | 07:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | In 7.6, they got rid of the CS and use the new Comments feature, like the bug board and the wiki | 07:50 |
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| elnino | OH! | 07:50 |
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| elnino | that's good to know. | 07:50 |
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| elnino | we heavily use CS. | 07:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, just for the Matrix | 07:50 |
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| elnino | oh. good. you scared me. | 07:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, instead of a full CS for each listing, there are just comments | 07:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've looked at the listing save code, and it looks pretty solid | 07:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you sure this isn't the case where your marketing people turned off the protection settings? | 07:54 |
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| elnino | no, that is where I first looked, the perms are set correctly. | 07:54 |
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| elnino | I have a feeling the visiter knew the correct url parameters. | 07:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | return $i18n->get('no edit rights') unless (($self->session->form->process("listingId") eq "new" && $self->session->user->isInGroup($self->get("groupToAdd"))) || $self->session->user->userId eq $listing->{maintainerId} || $self->canEdit); | 07:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | every one of those is group or userId protected | 07:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | if a new listing, then user must be in the groupToAdd group | 07:56 |
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| elnino | I didn't check to see if visitor was added to the marketin group. I can do that.. however they don't have permissions to modify users or groups... or they shouldn't.... | 07:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I'll double check that each of those groups actually exists | 07:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | to make sure it's as good as it looks | 07:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, there's an easy check | 07:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | can you still add a Matrix listing on your site as visitor? | 07:58 |
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| elnino | I removed the link from the template. Let me reset it... | 08:00 |
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| elnino | well. hmm. | 08:01 |
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| elnino | I made it so it wasn't visible. so it's telling me now what I don't have permission to add anything. So now I have to make it visible. hold on | 08:01 |
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| elnino | and it may have been totalled screwed up with the cs's deleted.. so it's not exactly the same test.. | 08:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I just added a Matrix to my dev sit | 08:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | and if I try to access the screen directly, it tells me that I don't rights to edit this listing. | 08:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | as Visitor | 08:03 |
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| elnino | I just don't know how to explain how the visitor was able to create a listing.. =( I have 7.5.24.... | 08:04 |
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| elnino | I can't duplicate either. Could it be that vistor as a password someone knows? I'm trying to think of all options... | 08:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll have a quick peek at the 7.5.24 version of the matrix. | 08:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the same as in 7.5.38 (and 39) | 08:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the version tags for the CS'es were owned by Visitor? | 08:08 |
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| elnino | yes. | 08:08 |
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| elnino | but they are deleted, so I can't double check.. =( | 08:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | does your site allow anonymous registration? | 08:09 |
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| elnino | that's fine. I guess I wouldn't spend more time on it. I don't even know why it was put on the website in the first place. the marketing group a year ago didn't want it up, and the next thing I knew, it was despite the browser incompatiblity issues they found. | 08:09 |
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| elnino | hmm. no.. there aren't any users in there that shouldn't be. but Ill double check. | 08:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was just thinking that is someone could create a user named Visitor... | 08:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | and that the Matrix allowed registered users to add matrix listings | 08:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would explain what you saw | 08:10 |
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| elnino | the visitor there has a uid of 1 | 08:10 |
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| elnino | last updated in september. | 08:10 |
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| elnino | this all occured on jan 3,4,5,6 | 08:11 |
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| elnino | or somethign like that. | 08:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 08:11 |
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| elnino | and visitor is not part of any groups. I just double checked. | 08:11 |
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| elnino | ah. don't worry about it. If I come accross it again, I'll yell. | 08:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate to miss a chance to find and fix a good bug | 08:12 |
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| elnino | yeah, it sound like a good tasty one. | 08:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll report what we talked about, and I was able to fix the delete listing problem | 08:12 |
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| elnino | works for me... | 08:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | next time, if you can, just dump the whole db before cleaning up | 08:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | that way you can always clone the site for analysis and debug | 08:13 |
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| elnino | ok. If I thouht about it I could have gotten the day before's backup. but it's been over a week already. =( or when did I submit the bug? | 08:14 |
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| elnino | ad how do I get out of full screen mode?? | 08:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | full screen mode? | 08:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | january 6th | 08:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | so maybe not too late? | 08:15 |
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| elnino | 14-6=8 too late.. dand | 08:16 |
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| elnino | s/dand/dang | 08:16 |
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| elnino | just slammed over it couple hours ago. | 08:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, yeah | 08:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm two hours ahead of you | 08:16 |
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| elnino | I'm in zen server, staring at a login screenm not knowing my password, full screen, and can't get out.. how embarrassing. | 08:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, try ESC, right click, any of those? | 08:17 |
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| elnino | they are all accepted by the linux screen.so I get a bunch of ctrl characters. | 08:18 |
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| elnino | hh. Time to go to bed. | 08:18 |
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| elnino | I give up. I gues I won't be installing wre. | 08:19 |
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| elnino | tee hee! ctrl alt del | 08:19 |
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| elnino | actually. ctrl alt | 08:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | that worked? | 08:26 |
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| elnino | yep. | 08:26 |
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| elnino | ctrl-alt goes back and forth. who would have thunk. | 08:27 |
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| elnino | I was getting desparate and was going to reboot. | 08:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Full Screen Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F Allows you to toggle between full screen and normal mode. | 08:27 |
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| elnino | oh, zen server, it's actually full-screen of the console, which is a only a portion of the zen server app/dialog box. I think what you said would work if I full screened the dialog box. | 08:29 |
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| elnino | hopefully that made sense, hard to explain. | 08:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I think I got it | 08:30 |
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| * perlDreamer heads to bed. Happy hacking, elnino! | 08:30 |
| elnino | thanks! | 08:30 |
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| elnino | bye! | 08:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9219 /branch/survey-rfe/ (922 files in 446 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Merge commit 'tags/WebGUI_7.6.8-beta' into survey-rfe | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * commit 'tags/WebGUI_7.6.8-beta': (96 commits) | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Release 7.6.8-beta | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: preparing for 7.6.8 release | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: convert to new storage format | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fixing photo comment test | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9220 /branch/survey-rfe/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: Added gotoExpression tests (from flux branch) | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9221 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (administersurvey.js surveyedit.css): More code from flux branch | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9222 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: More minor edits from flux branch | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9223 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a problem where a matrix listing could not be purged if the CS it contained could not | 08:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: be deleted. | 08:34 |
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| wgGuest03 | hi to all, today i explore the world of webgui...i use drupla, joomla adn umbraco and other cms but i don't know perl cms | 15:47 |
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| wgGuest03 | is difficult? | 15:47 |
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| wgGuest03 | how do i costumize template? | 15:47 |
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| wgGuest03 | i figure otu that i have to avoid for the moment the construction of my own template | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | hi c_thomas | 16:47 |
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| +BartJol | any questions? | 16:47 |
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| c_thomas | I'm just trying to learn how to use this irc thing | 16:48 |
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| +BartJol | ah | 16:48 |
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| deafferret | success! | 16:51 |
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| +BartJol | thanks | 16:53 |
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| ascii | sup! | 17:11 |
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| +BartJol | pb guys, what's the max upload for the webgui.org bazaar? | 18:30 |
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| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: do you know the max upload size of webgui.org? | 18:40 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: ah, specificially at webgui.org. No idea. | 18:41 |
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| @preaction | BartJol: one sec | 18:43 |
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| +BartJol | I'll wait | 18:43 |
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| @preaction | 100mb, the windows WRE is something like 160MB | 18:44 |
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| +BartJol | yes | 18:44 |
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| +BartJol | you answer that pots, or will I do that? | 18:44 |
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| +BartJol | jt already did | 18:45 |
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| ckotil | i had to crank my max upload to around a gig. people wanted to start uploading cd images to our file repo, which webgui handles. | 18:57 |
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| ckotil | and there was talk about dvd images. but i put my foot down on that. | 18:58 |
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| +BartJol | ckotil: sounds like a smart move | 19:00 |
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| ckotil | thankfully we only have a single image on their now. windows XP pro corporate edition. | 19:05 |
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| ckotil | but when it gets tagged for version control multiple copies are created. | 19:05 |
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| ckotil | i have been removing the old versions manually to reduce the size of my webgui installation. | 19:06 |
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| +BartJol | that can grow quite some | 19:06 |
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| ckotil | oh i lie, we have a few images, but they are small. | 19:06 |
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| ckotil | my source installation is 7.1 gb gzip'd | 19:06 |
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| ckotil | db is 120MB | 19:07 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, you don't wanna transfer that size of files via http | 19:08 |
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| ckotil | no joke. | 19:09 |
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| ckotil | i have an rsync cronjob to a hot backup server that also does mysql replication. | 19:09 |
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| +BartJol | I'm quite serious actually | 19:09 |
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| ckotil | its an efficient rsync. | 19:09 |
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| fxk | hello, I am curious what changes were made to 7.5.38 (using Debian's package) | 19:16 |
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| fxk | specifically the "children" in an asset tree are not rendered | 19:17 |
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| fxk | in http:www.example.com/file?op=assetManager;method=manage | 19:17 |
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| +BartJol | well, the changes are in http://www.webgui.org/getwebgui/advisories/webgui-7_5_38-stable-released#6-8PSMarTGHYuDrHhSPtrw | 19:17 |
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| +BartJol | so you mean that you don't see the assets under an asset in the manager? | 19:18 |
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| +BartJol | that's probably a config error | 19:18 |
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| fxk | I had this error before | 19:18 |
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| +BartJol | well what you must do | 19:18 |
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| fxk | and I modded the webgui.conf (from the debian package) | 19:18 |
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| fxk | and they rendered.... | 19:18 |
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| +BartJol | yeah, the operations are in the wrong order | 19:19 |
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| fxk | after the update two days ago it ceased | 19:19 |
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| +BartJol | I had the same problem | 19:19 |
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| fxk | ah | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | that problem should be reported to the debian package maintainer | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's not much we core devs can do to prevent people from mucking with the config file | 19:19 |
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| +BartJol | but is that really the debian package? I thought it was due to the upgrade script | 19:20 |
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| +BartJol | otherwise I'll have to bash Koen | 19:20 |
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| +BartJol | I thought only the wre was packaged for OS's | 19:21 |
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| +BartJol | fxk: it didn't fix itself right? | 19:23 |
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| +BartJol | that would be strange with such an error | 19:23 |
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| fxk | thing Debian never mucks around with /etc | 19:23 |
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| fxk | I am looking for the "correct order" of content handlers | 19:24 |
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| fxk | to test | 19:24 |
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| +BartJol | WebGUI.conf.original | 19:24 |
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| +BartJol | in WebGUI/etc | 19:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | if that's not in Debian, you can get a copy of it here: | 19:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/branch/WebGUI_7.5/etc/WebGUI.conf.original | 19:25 |
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| +BartJol | I haven't had problems that the original conf file wasn't there | 19:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | you've used the Debian package? | 19:26 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, maybe should doublecheck that\ | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | fxk, I've had what sounds like a similar problem intermittently. | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | I get an Asset Manager screen, with no children displayed | 19:28 |
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| fxk | that is the order in the Debian Package | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's usually do to a problem getting AJAX data from the server quickly | 19:28 |
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| fxk | my fix before was to add WebGUI::Content::AssetManager in the utilityAssets | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "contentHandlers" : [ | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Prefetch", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Maintenance", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Referral", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::AssetManager", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::AssetDiscovery", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::AjaxI18N", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Account", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Operation", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Setup", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Shop", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::SiteIndex", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Asset", | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::NotFound" | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | this is my order and it works | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | usually better to paste that, BartJol. | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | that way people can copy and paste | 19:31 |
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| +BartJol | ok, wait a minute | 19:31 |
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| +BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m465c3a8a | 19:31 |
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| +BartJol | but this way, it looks like I can type really fast | 19:32 |
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| +BartJol | and don't forget to restart modperl ;) | 19:34 |
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| +BartJol | arg, I must admit, that is 7.6.8 | 19:35 |
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| +BartJol | sorry fxk | 19:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | fxk, what exactly do you see when you don't see children? Are there any webgui.log error messages? | 19:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it consistently not displayed, or random | 19:38 |
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| fxk | it is consistently not displaying since the update two days ago | 19:39 |
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| +BartJol | I updated it in the pastebin | 19:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, next step is to check the webgui.log file next for errors | 19:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | consistent bugs are easier to fix | 19:40 |
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| +BartJol | but I've gotta get some food, success | 19:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | fxk, I created a WebGUI demo site, and the asset manager is working there. | 19:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can see it if you wish | 19:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1231954298_81/home?op=assetManager | 19:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | standard admin login and password | 19:43 |
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| fxk | symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible | 19:44 |
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| fxk | in error logs | 19:44 |
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| fxk | in /usr/share/webgui/extras/yui/build | 19:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | can you pastebin that for me? http://webgui.pastebin.com | 19:45 |
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| fxk | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m33ece5a8 | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | does that link exist on your system? | 19:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | readable by web server, apache config configured for links, etc.? | 19:49 |
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| fxk | it exists.... but is a symbolic link to noplace | 19:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, that's your problem then | 19:50 |
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| fxk | your comments did shed light | 19:51 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9224 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: Update POD about getKeywordsForAsset. | 19:51 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9225 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Mirror the indent loop calculation to the rel_depth in the Navigation. | 19:51 |
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| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9226 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backport Navigation reldepth fix. | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, it seems like we need to do 2 things | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | 1) find out if that file exists so you can fix your site | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2) report it to the debian package maintainer | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you have locate installed on your system? | 19:51 |
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| fxk | I do now | 19:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay :) | 19:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | run updatedb | 19:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | then do: locate assetManager.js | 19:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'll be able to find the real path that the symbolic needs from that | 19:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know how to report it to the debian package maintainer, but he does show up in channel every so often. | 19:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | there must be a contact email or something in the .deb? | 19:55 |
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| fxk | I found his e-mail address and will shoot him a note | 19:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool | 19:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Ernesto is a nice guy | 19:55 |
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| fxk | pretty sure he will want to know | 19:55 |
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| fxk | about this | 19:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | and many other WebGUI Debian package users, too | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back in 20 or so | 20:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, any releases this week? | 20:52 |
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| @Haarg | nope | 20:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back much later this afternoon | 21:20 |
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| elnino | hi. just wondering if there is a manual way to do the ./wreconsole.pl step when installing wre. | 22:15 |
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| elnino | nevermind | 22:52 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: arjan * r9227 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/ukplayer/slideShow.swf): fixed #9264: new slideShow.swf uploaded in extras/ukplayer (United Knowledge/Arjan Widlak) | 01:54 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9228 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:54 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where default PayDrivers have two labels, one in the db, and one | 01:54 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: in the JSON. The one in the db is not used anywhere in the system. Remove | 01:54 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: it, and upgrade existing drivers to place their labels into the JSON. Updated | 01:54 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: tests as well. | 01:54 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer perlmonkey2: I'm back! | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | how is the 7.5 WRE setup coming? | 01:55 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm still trying to get this 7.5 backport thing going | 01:55 |
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| daviddelikat | hard to tell | 01:56 |
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| daviddelikat | I got my vm reverted, pm2 said he dup'd the whole data directory, so I was going to go all the way and I need to know what versipon of wre to put in the 7.5 copy | 01:57 |
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| daviddelikat | can i just copy wre from my beta data dir? | 01:57 |
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| daviddelikat | or do i need to checkout a different version? | 01:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think you can use the same WRE | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | version | 01:58 |
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| daviddelikat | do i need to add a domain directory or is that created by the addsite script? | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | you probably need to setup a basic one | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know if the WRE will make that for you or not | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's an easy way to find out :) | 02:00 |
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| daviddelikat | yeah thats what im working on ... | 02:01 |
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