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| daviddelikat | anybody know what exactly causes the blue site maintenance screen? and how to turn it off? | 00:25 |
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| daviddelikat | http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: it's in the site settings. check sbin/maintenanceMode.pl to see how it works (and how to turn it off) | 00:58 |
| daviddelikat | thanks I figured it out... | 01:10 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9122 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backported old fix for Gallery pagination and layout in IE. | 03:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9123 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 18:27 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where the Album would try to delete assets that do not exist | 18:27 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: from its cache. This would cause various operations to fail, including | 18:27 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: the Asset Manager. | 18:27 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9124 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 18:27 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Forward port Album cache delete/DESTROY issue with non-existant | 18:27 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: keys in the cache. | 18:28 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9125 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (3 files): extra migration scripts | 01:15 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9126 /experimental/Automat/ (12 files in 4 dirs): | 03:02 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: added recent changes | 03:02 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: added stats | 03:02 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9127 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/ (Site.pm Server.pm): added billing notification | 04:09 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9128 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: rearrange some things | 04:09 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: jt * r9129 /experimental/Automat/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:09 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: more rearranging | 04:09 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: update notification | 04:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9130 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Help.pm: Fix a typo in the POD for Operation/Help. | 08:54 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9131 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: Add more characters that are legal in i18n keys. | 08:54 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9132 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Matrix.pm Help/Asset_MatrixListing.pm): Fix missing Help docs in the Matrix. | 08:54 |
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| SynQ | hey there BOB | 11:30 |
| SynQ | happy new year | 11:30 |
| SynQ | to all the guys at alphamega | 11:30 |
| SynQ | from all the guys at procolix | 11:30 |
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| AMH_bob | Thank you very much! | 12:00 |
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| danny_mk | happy new year everyone | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Happy new year, danny_mk! | 18:00 |
| danny_mk | OK, got a question about the permission system. This ticket: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/can-see-edit-tab-even-tho-i-am-not-logged-in shows it as resolved | 18:09 |
| danny_mk | however, I seem to have problems with the Visitor account having edit access to the wiki even when I have assigned a private group to the wiki | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | which version of WebGUI? | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and 2nd question, can you make a demo site do this? | 18:10 |
| danny_mk | 7.5.34-stable | 18:11 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... I will upgrade to latest now | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that bug was fixed in 7.5.35 | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, almost all (> 90%) of all bugs have the bug id in the changelog for easy searching | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Happy New Year, dionak. | 18:20 |
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| danny_mk | I looked through all the current bugs and there is no permission problem listed | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been closed | 18:30 |
| danny_mk | I upgraded to 7.5.37-stable and the visitor user still has edit capabilities on the Wiki pages and can see content placed on a private group | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, let me setup a 7.5.37 site | 18:31 |
| danny_mk | you know the weird thing is that my upgraded site (been up 4 years) has no problem with permissions, the site I am having problems with is a new install | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmm... | 18:33 |
| danny_mk | The visitor on this new site has a bunch of "Pending versions" Visitor / 10/20/2008 8:30 am (Autotag) | 18:36 |
| danny_mk | frustrating, but I don't want to look into the code, way too much work :-( | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I may know the problem | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I confirmed that an upgraded site works okay | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | now trying a new site | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is a package that didn't seem to get into the 7.5.35 release | 18:43 |
| danny_mk | OK. I also tried a new site at: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1230913687_975/home/wiki-test/ | 18:43 |
| danny_mk | and it seems to have the right behavior | 18:44 |
| danny_mk | do you have a patch? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I can show you where to get it | 18:44 |
| danny_mk | cool | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | this URL should get you the updated template that will hide the edit tab unless you can edit the wiki page | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.38/default-wiki-page.wgpkg?rev=9106 | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | just import that package and all should be well | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and the problem itself will be fixed in 7.5.38 | 18:50 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... that will work for the wiki, but what about page permissions? | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't understand. Are you saying that Visitor is also allowed to view pages that he should not? | 18:57 |
| danny_mk | yes, on this new site it does | 18:57 |
| danny_mk | I tried the test website above and it does not have this problem | 18:58 |
| danny_mk | let me try a couple of other things and I will let you know how it turns out | 18:58 |
| danny_mk | thank you for your help | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Just to double check. Create a new site (no upgrades). Add a wiki, set privacy to only Registered Users. Create a wiki page. Log out, view wiki as Visitor and visit the page. | 18:58 |
| danny_mk | Damn, setting up a new site on the server works perfect | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate infrequent, random bugs | 19:45 |
| danny_mk | I have to dig into this issue deeper, I have put a lot of content on my established site | 19:46 |
| danny_mk | don't want to do that again | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | if it was a permissions issue, then version control will save you | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | just delete any questionable versions | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | if it was a setup issue, you can use the AssetManager to change all the values at once | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think you're at too much risk | 19:46 |
| danny_mk | Well, I aways do a full backup of the database and directory when I upgrade | 19:47 |
| danny_mk | thank you for your help, at least now I know it is not WebGUI but an issue with that particular installation | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | if you need more help, just holler | 19:48 |
| danny_mk | thank you. later... | 19:48 |
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| +BartJol | happy newyear! | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Happy New Year, BartJol! | 20:46 |
| +BartJol | tnx | 20:47 |
| +BartJol | had a nice evening? | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Went to a friend's house with wife and kids and watched Kung Fu Panda until late. | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | What did you do? | 20:48 |
| +BartJol | I was in the Belgium woods, something with a lot of beer, must be surprising ;) | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | what, you _AND_ beer? No.... | 20:49 |
| +BartJol | We were with some friends | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you __AND__ friends and beer? | 20:49 |
| +BartJol | I know, it's irresponsiible | 20:49 |
| +BartJol | we only broke 5 glasses | 20:49 |
| +BartJol | yesterday we spend getting rid of our hangovers, I didn't know hangover were like chins: you can have multiple of both | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just your liver and brain trying to get even | 20:52 |
| +BartJol | have to go, there's food! | 20:53 |
| * BartJol is eatinf | 20:53 | |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9133 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Safe handling for Image form fields in the editThing field preview. | 22:08 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9134 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix preview of Image fields in the editThing screen. | 22:08 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9135 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: Thingy i18n for edit, delete buttons created in code. | 22:08 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9136 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: i18n Edit and Delete buttons created in code. | 22:08 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: translation * r9137 /translations/ (165 files in 3 dirs): Update from translation server | 22:37 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9138 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Form/Attachments.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): i18n the Attachments Form control | 23:36 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9139 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Calendar.pm Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm): Calendar i18n | 00:26 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9140 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm: I18n'ed a submit button in the manage transactions screen. | 00:26 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9141 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm: Fix a syntax error made in the i18n of the search button. | 00:26 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9142 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Only resize photos if they are larger than the Gallery resolutions. | 00:26 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9143 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backport gallery photo resolutions fix. | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, I'm not sure that "Send Queued Email Messages Every 5 Minutes" is any better than "Delete temp files older than 24 hours" | 00:26 |
| patspam | hmm and i guess "daily/weekly/month maintenance" is pretty bad too | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, as preconfigured, default, comes with WebGUI they work okay, since what they say is what they do | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | but if they're reconfigured by the user then they could be misleading | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | however, they could also edit the title at the same time | 00:29 |
| patspam | yeah, feel free to close that bug, i was just being pedantic | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been a weird day for bugs | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Found a bug in Data::Dumper | 00:30 |
| patspam | ouch | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just cosmetic. | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it will alternately encode 8-bit characters as control characters, or as \x escapes | 00:31 |
| patspam | this made me smile: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/01/ie6_on_the_way.html | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | any way we can extend that trend to IE*? ;) | 00:34 |
| patspam | if only! | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you have an example of that Data::Dumper issue? | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll email it to you. | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | thanks | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | it just alternates between literal 8-bit characters, and 8-bit characters encoded as hex escapes. | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the text works fine in both cases, but it's weird | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you able to see it as well, Haarg? | 00:52 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9144 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Remove the warnings pragma | 00:54 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9145 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Remove warnings pragma. | 00:54 |
| @Haarg | it does fail yes | 00:54 |
| @Haarg | part of that is because of Useqq | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | if you remove Useqq it just alternates differently | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | what you sent doesn't have Useqq | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | so adding it makes it closer | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | but it is still different | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | how was the first file generated? | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I snipped it by hand from the German translation | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | which I downloaded from the i18n server | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | see this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9308 | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | it always wants to encode the chars the same way for me | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | but the initial file has them in two forms | 01:03 |
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| @Haarg | it looks like it is switching Useqq on and off | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | internally? yes, it does. When it switches to the \x escape it has to use double quotes | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but it happens even when items aren't touched | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i guess it isn't using Useqq, but it is using double quotes in some cases anyway | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, at first I thought that it was a Data::Dumper config problem, but after reading the docs I realized that there's no way to ask it to alter how it handles stuff. | 01:08 |
| @Haarg | i think i figured it out | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | it's not a data::dumper bug | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | clue me in, dude | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | when it writes out the single quote version | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't have the utf8 character | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | it has the byte string | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | the utf8 pragma in the file that is written means they both versions are read as characters instead of byte strings | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | it is getting translated to the byte string when it gets sent to and from the browser | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | in the test file, nothing is done to the data, but it still toggles back and forth | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | does it? | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | how are you testing that? | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | it always wants to write the same thing for me | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | let me set up a test that goes through another iteration of import and export. In the full translation CGI, they go back and forth and back and forth | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | there is definately something screwy here i guess | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | you know, by looking at the file with vim, maybe something bad is happening... | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | 'message' => 'Zur\xfcck zur Seite.' | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's the hex encoding for a wide character | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | that doesn't make a lot of sense though | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | inside of a single quoted string? No. | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you cat the file, it looks fine | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's just a display issue with Test::Differences | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | i think it is | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | well, on the 2nd iteration, everything passes | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which means that you were right earlier about the browser interaction | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | how do we force UTF8 handling of the data from CGI->param? | 01:29 |
| @Haarg | decode it ourselves | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | that will fix it in the script, do we also need a fixup script for the data that's currently in various encodings? | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | it shouldn't matter really | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | all of the data is valid, just in different forms | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | once it is changed and committed once it should be the 'proper' format | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | as long as we have utf8 headers in what we are sending out it should always come back as a utf8 byte string | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | what happens if it is already decoded? | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | it won't be | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | setNamespaceItems($cgi->param("namespace"),$cgi->param("tag"),decode_utf8($cgi->param("message"))); | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | looks about right | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's in there currently | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | fun | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | do we need to encode it manually on the way out then? | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | since it's being decoded on the way in? | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | with Useqq it sticks with the \374 form | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | it still alternates without it though | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | iirc, I was still seeing some \x{fc} when UseQQ | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and I didn't try that in the CGI | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do that now | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | after a couple loops though it goes with \374 and stays there | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=28607 | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | i guess it must be a bug | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in any case it's not harmful for the i18n server | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | just weird | 01:40 |
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| elnino | hi. I setup a store, using only cash, and I think someone mentioned this, but the only products I have are subscription, and someone said at one point that subscriptions can not be purchased with cash only stores. Was that fixed? I have 7.5.24 (I believe) | 04:36 |
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| elnino | Is there a way to setup the store to not track inventory? | 05:02 |
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| SynQ | would it be possible to run WebGUI on a 32MB NSLU2 arm system? | 00:58 |
| SynQ | I wonder | 00:58 |
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| specsmu | hullo | 03:35 |
| specsmu | I'm about to upgrade from version 6.8.6. Do I need to do all sorts of incremental upgrades, or can I follow the instructions? | 03:36 |
| SynQ | yes | 03:37 |
| SynQ | read the gotcha.txt | 03:37 |
| specsmu | I take it I just asked a trick question. | 03:37 |
| specsmu | what I'm asking is, I remember last time I did this, I had to do four different overwerites and upgrades in a row, or maybe more | 03:37 |
| specsmu | if I just do the latest version and follow the instructions, I should be OK? | 03:37 |
| SynQ | yes and no | 03:38 |
| SynQ | you should read the gotcha.txt | 03:38 |
| specsmu | I feel like I'm in Shroedinger's webgui. | 03:38 |
| SynQ | and make damn sure you make backups | 03:38 |
| SynQ | complete backups | 03:38 |
| specsmu | backups alredy made. | 03:38 |
| SynQ | 6.8.6 doesn't sound too bad to me | 03:39 |
| specsmu | backed up the database, /home/WebGUI, and all of the wwwroots | 03:39 |
| SynQ | perhaps there is something worth reading in the wiki about updates | 03:39 |
| SynQ | and steps in between | 03:39 |
| specsmu | well, here goes, I guess. at least I have backups. | 03:40 |
| SynQ | good luck to you :) | 03:41 |
| specsmu | thanks. I've been doing linux dministrationfor so long, this should only take me a day. | 03:41 |
| specsmu | haha | 03:41 |
| SynQ | hehe | 03:42 |
| specsmu | "you need to upgrade to the latest 6.8 release before you can upgrade to 6.99" | 03:43 |
| specsmu | oh, POO. | 03:43 |
| specsmu | well, I hope you guys still have them... | 03:43 |
| SynQ | sure | 03:43 |
| SynQ | it's available | 03:43 |
| specsmu | wow, where'd I get so many users from. :D | 03:46 |
| specsmu | hope you don't mind if I sit around and make snarky comments while I do this, it makes it less stressful | 03:46 |
| SynQ | go ahead | 03:47 |
| SynQ | I love to be entertained :) | 03:47 |
| specsmu | ahh, stephen sondheim | 03:47 |
| specsmu | "let meeeee. entertain you..." | 03:48 |
| specsmu | ok, upgrade to 6.8.9 starting | 03:48 |
| specsmu | and there are some new gotchas btw that aren't documented. | 03:48 |
| SynQ | did you clear the cache and the trash? | 03:48 |
| specsmu | ehh. no. I gather I'm supposed to do that? | 03:48 |
| SynQ | I reccomend it :) | 03:48 |
| specsmu | I don't see instructions on how to do that. | 03:49 |
| specsmu | looking.. | 03:49 |
| SynQ | in the web interface | 03:50 |
| SynQ | as administrator | 03:50 |
| specsmu | ahhh. this is someone else's site, I haven't logged in in years | 03:50 |
| specsmu | hehe | 03:50 |
| SynQ | I don't envy you | 03:51 |
| specsmu | me neither. :) | 03:51 |
| specsmu | I don't envy the guy I'm upgrading once he sees the new admin colsole | 03:51 |
| specsmu | I'm sure it's better, gbut it'll be a shock | 03:51 |
| SynQ | it's different | 03:52 |
| specsmu | heehee, I get tobe a BOFH while giving him what he's asking for | 03:52 |
| SynQ | bastards are not really nice people though | 03:53 |
| specsmu | didn't say I was | 03:53 |
| specsmu | just that I can be mean and nice at the same time | 03:53 |
| SynQ | I prefere the term LOFH | 03:53 |
| SynQ | the Likable Operator From Heaven | 03:53 |
| specsmu | that's no fun | 03:53 |
| specsmu | harp --play | 03:53 |
| SynQ | but it is | 03:53 |
| specsmu | cloud --sit | 03:54 |
| SynQ | you get to be liked and loved | 03:54 |
| SynQ | ask colin :) | 03:54 |
| specsmu | I've no idea how that feels | 03:54 |
| specsmu | heh | 03:54 |
| SynQ | Colin is one of TPBW | 03:55 |
| specsmu | TPBW? | 03:55 |
| specsmu | The Putatively Big Women? | 03:55 |
| SynQ | hehehe | 03:55 |
| SynQ | The People Behind WebGUI | 03:55 |
| specsmu | oh. | 03:55 |
| specsmu | I may have met him at SCALE | 03:56 |
| specsmu | wow, load average 18... clearing the cache must be intensive. | 03:56 |
| specsmu | more likely my machine is just way underpowered... they're going to put me on a faster one again tomorrow | 03:57 |
| SynQ | do you use database caching | 03:57 |
| SynQ | ? | 03:57 |
| specsmu | I didn't think so, but apparently. | 03:57 |
| SynQ | I'm going to go to bed soon | 04:01 |
| specsmu | ok. | 04:01 |
| specsmu | I guess I'll try to muddle this out | 04:02 |
| specsmu | thanks for the help | 04:03 |
| SynQ | my pleasure | 04:03 |
| specsmu | well, this is lame. | 04:26 |
| specsmu | internal server error and nothing at all getting dumped out to err. | 04:26 |
| specsmu | ah, bit by POST_MAX again. | 04:31 |
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| elnino | HI. I'm looking at the navigation help in webgui, and wasn't seeing anything there that would help me count the number of children a page has. Is there a neat trick anyone knows? | 05:11 |
| elnino | oh never mind. I should be using a different asset. | 05:12 |
| specsmu | wow, what a mess. | 05:52 |
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| specsmu | !vi | 06:07 |
| specsmu | oops | 06:07 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9146 /WebGUI/t/Session/DateTime.t: Update test to match fixed code. | 06:08 |
| specsmu | wow, either I'm doing something spectacularly wrong or the 0.99.5 upgrade script is spectacularly broken. | 06:09 |
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| specsmu | looks like it's the former. | 06:16 |
| specsmu | hah. | 06:16 |
| specsmu | AND the latter. | 06:32 |
| specsmu | Parse::PlainConfig apparently now requires a read() where it didn't before. | 06:33 |
| specsmu | and JSON is farked up too. | 06:35 |
| specsmu | wow. this is so messed up.. | 08:09 |
| specsmu | heh, trying to update the asset before the assetIndex is actually added to the database... how did this upgrade *ever* work? | 08:38 |
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| specsmu | hi radix | 09:06 |
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| Radix__ | hi specsmu :) | 09:55 |
| specsmu | wow, where'd you come from | 09:55 |
| specsmu | oh | 09:55 |
| specsmu | I want to go on record as saying this workflow stuff is confusing thecrap out of me | 09:56 |
| specsmu | I committed something, the changes disappeared, I can't click "edit" anymore | 09:56 |
| Radix__ | Hmm.. it means that the changes haven't been processed yet - which may just mean it's a bit slow (can take a few seconds perhaps so try a refresh) | 09:57 |
| specsmu | does spectre process the changes? | 09:58 |
| Radix__ | Alternatively, it may mean that spectre isn't set up properly | 09:58 |
| specsmu | yeah... :P | 09:58 |
| Radix__ | in which case check your webgui.log and see what's going on | 09:58 |
| Radix__ | are you using the wre? | 09:58 |
| specsmu | no, right now I'm just trying toget an old version upgraded toa slightly less old version | 09:58 |
| specsmu | and let me tell you | 09:58 |
| specsmu | the upgrade scipts are BROKEN | 09:58 |
| Radix__ | what version? | 09:59 |
| specsmu | 6.8.10 to 6.99.0 | 09:59 |
| specsmu | I had to manually modify the perl scripts to get it to work | 09:59 |
| specsmu | not to mention... | 09:59 |
| specsmu | it does NOT like the new version of PlainConfig | 09:59 |
| specsmu | I had to hack the code to make it work | 09:59 |
| Radix__ | Hmm.. you prolly need to talk to the PB guys then.. there's a specific way of upgrading with the older versions and I can never remember what it is | 10:00 |
| specsmu | yeah, I think I've muddled through it | 10:00 |
| Radix__ | I'm using 7.0.8 at work myself | 10:00 |
| specsmu | it wiped my templates but otherwise I got out unscathed | 10:00 |
| specsmu | oh... I think it worked | 10:01 |
| specsmu | oh good, and I can edit again. | 10:01 |
| Radix__ | cool :) | 10:02 |
| specsmu | webgui has just gotten moreand more complicated | 10:02 |
| specsmu | sigh | 10:02 |
| specsmu | I reallyregret ever touching it but now I'm stuck with it | 10:02 |
| Radix__ | I wish upgrades were easier myself | 10:03 |
| specsmu | I don't even have the hang of adminning it | 10:03 |
| specsmu | my client wanted to give me some time back so he tried hiring someone to do some work on it | 10:03 |
| specsmu | the person gave up in disgust | 10:03 |
| specsmu | it was almost funny | 10:03 |
| specsmu | I hope it's easier after the upgrades. | 10:08 |
| specsmu | now THAT is odd. | 10:47 |
| specsmu | for some reason, suddenly it can't create new files and directories, even though the permissions are correct | 10:48 |
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| specsmu | well, after I got to 6.99.5, it's been much more uneventful. | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you can say that again | 00:20 |
| specsmu | the upgrade from 6.8.6 to 6.99.5 is... TERRIBLE. | 00:21 |
| specsmu | neither the upgrade code nor the actual code actually works out of the box on a modern system. | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | post bugs about it | 00:22 |
| specsmu | and even 7.2.3 needs modifications for thelatest JSON | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that documented in the gotchas.txt file? | 00:22 |
| specsmu | I don't think it's worth posting bugs for anything other thn the latest version | 00:22 |
| specsmu | no. | 00:22 |
| specsmu | maybe for newer versions. | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.2.3 isn't supposed to work with the latest JSON | 00:23 |
| specsmu | well, I made it | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the JSON module went through an API rewrite which forced us to make changes to WebGUI | 00:24 |
| specsmu | it's OK, I'm forcing the issue anyway | 00:24 |
| specsmu | anything I have to do to make the pathwork | 00:24 |
| specsmu | path work | 00:24 |
| specsmu | heh, anyone who hasn't been doing this fro 12 years would probably be working on it into March. | 00:25 |
| specsmu | if you just take out the autoconv and skipinvalid options anywhere they appear, it's enough to get it to working. | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I suggested posting a bug. if anyone else has to do this, you'd be helping them out | 00:27 |
| specsmu | hmm. maybe I will.. | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | especially if you've already made workarounds for it | 00:28 |
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| specsmu | dunno if I'll remember every single one but I can probably do the major ones | 00:28 |
| specsmu | I don't think WebGui needs enough perl modules. | 00:36 |
| specsmu | there are still some written by a farmer in Elbonia that haven't been included. | 00:37 |
| specsmu | oh wow, there's a farkup. | 00:45 |
| specsmu | looks like 7.2.3 to 7.3.9 doesn't work. | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | specsmu: what's the hiccup there? | 01:25 |
| specsmu | the upgrade from 7.2.3 to 7.3.0 requires a field that's not put in until 7.3.8-7.3.9 | 01:27 |
| specsmu | have to do 7.3.8 first | 01:27 |
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| specsmu | well, so far the modern updates are working well. | 01:40 |
| specsmu | looks like 7.5.37 is the limit, anything later appears to be broke. | 02:09 |
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| elnino | hi. I'm gettting a bunch of "Apache/mod_proxy on localhost is down and could not be restarted. | 06:51 |
| elnino | " what should I be looking at? | 06:51 |
| elnino | The messsages are coming to me via email from WRE. | 06:53 |
| specsmu | should see why apache won't start. | 06:54 |
| elnino | apache is running I believe it's the mod_proxy. When I do a ps-aux, there are more mod_proxy than there are mod_perl listed which seems weird to me. We've added more sites to the servers, so maybe there is a limit of concurrent mod_* that can be running? | 06:56 |
| specsmu | maybe.. I don't know anything about mod_proxy | 06:56 |
| elnino | I don't really either, it's part of the wre and it makes webgui "go" | 06:56 |
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| elnino | I have six /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start | 07:01 |
| elnino | 10 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf | 07:01 |
| elnino | 11 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf | 07:01 |
| specsmu | have you looked in the error logs? | 07:01 |
| elnino | yes, I have vague php errors without a date so I have no idea if they are releatd. | 07:02 |
| elnino | that is in my apache error_log | 07:02 |
| elnino | I haven't looked at the mod_proxy error log. going there now. | 07:02 |
| elnino | mod proxy log only consists of warnings of "Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache]" | 07:04 |
| elnino | mod perl is more interesting | 07:04 |
| elnino | Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big | 07:05 |
| elnino | exiting at SIZE=79864/100000 KB SHARE=1864/0 KB UNSHARED=78000/75000 KB REQUESTS=66 LIFETIME=13040 seconds | 07:05 |
| specsmu | there you go. | 07:05 |
| elnino | I have no idea what that means. other than somthing is too big... would you be able to point me to what settings I should be evaluating? | 07:06 |
| specsmu | try finding documentation on Apache2::SizeLimit | 07:06 |
| specsmu | it's probably something in the apache config | 07:06 |
| specsmu | I don't know what though. | 07:06 |
| elnino | ok. to google I go. | 07:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | nah.. the sizelimit thing is normal | 07:15 |
| specsmu | have you looked at the webgui error log? | 07:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's set in apache itself to kill any apache2 processes that are getting too large (which they can do if there's memory leaks) | 07:16 |
| elnino | I saw that in one of the threads on pb, but still looking around. | 07:16 |
| elnino | I saw in an older mod_perl, that server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting | 07:16 |
| elnino | that only showed up once. | 07:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | the email you're getting is probably from the wremonitor | 07:16 |
| elnino | yes | 07:16 |
| specsmu | that just means requests might be dropped | 07:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | it sounds like it's running.. just wremonitor is confused? | 07:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | I haven't used the more recent versions.. but I've never been a big fan of wremonitor - never quite worked right for me | 07:17 |
| elnino | right now, I'm stopping all services to see if there are any straggling processes around. Someone walked me thru this once before. Not sure exactly why I had to, but it "fixed" my problem then. | 07:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | So apache won't start? | 07:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | or mod-perl won't start? | 07:18 |
| elnino | it's slow to stop them, still stopping. =) | 07:18 |
| elnino | so something must be keeping it busy. I did this because I did notice in my webgui log | 07:18 |
| elnino | ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - typeerrors. | 07:19 |
| elnino | so something seemed to have gone amuck with spectre? | 07:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. sounds odd | 07:19 |
| elnino | still stopping. wow. | 07:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | sometimes a 'rm -rf /tmp/WebGUI' can help too | 07:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | clears the cache | 07:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | stop everything first tho | 07:20 |
| elnino | ok. I'll do that after things stop... done! | 07:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | it shouldn't be as much of an issue with the newer versions.. but I need to do that with 7.0.8 from time to time to keep things running smoothly | 07:21 |
| elnino | yep. A bunch of /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf hanging out with services all stopped. I'm going to kill them. | 07:21 |
| elnino | I hvae 7.5.24 | 07:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | kill em off manually then | 07:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | killall httpd | 07:22 |
| elnino | spectre is still running... huh? | 07:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | keep running that until all dead ;) | 07:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | or ps and kill -9 each individual process | 07:22 |
| elnino | I did a stop all and it said specre was stoppped.... weird. | 07:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | something odd is going on | 07:23 |
| elnino | the "tty" is "?" | 07:23 |
| specsmu | that means it's a daemon. | 07:23 |
| elnino | rather than a pts. | 07:23 |
| elnino | oh. | 07:23 |
| specsmu | daemons detach from a tty. | 07:23 |
| elnino | ok. I ran "stop all" again. and all processes are gone. | 07:23 |
| elnino | opps. except spectre | 07:23 |
| elnino | STAT is "R" does that mean it's restarting on it's own? | 07:24 |
| specsmu | no, that means it's Running. | 07:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | kill it manually | 07:25 |
| elnino | yep. done. starting all aain. | 07:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | fingers crossed ;) | 07:25 |
| elnino | yeah, seemed ike I had two "start alls" going or something. | 07:26 |
| elnino | all looks well, still looking around. | 07:26 |
| elnino | Hey thanks for being there with me! both of you.. | 07:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | all good then? :) | 07:29 |
| elnino | looks like thing are swell, and sites are speedy again. | 07:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | good to hear | 07:29 |
| specsmu | yw | 07:29 |
| specsmu | though radix did most of the work :) | 07:30 |
| elnino | noticed that my logs are rotating daily, is there a way to change the frequency? | 07:30 |
| * Radix-wrk has no idea about logs. | 07:30 | |
| +Radix-wrk | And it's good to know the same process I use with 7.0.8 still works with 7.5.24 | 07:31 |
| elnino | that's fine, just thought I'd ask since I had your attention. =) I'll look on pb. | 07:31 |
| elnino | it's weird with those extra processes. I wish I knew what caused them rather than just how to kill them. | 07:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | I should upgrade this server to the latest webgui sometime, but it runs pretty well as is and had no major incentive to | 07:32 |
| elnino | nice features? | 07:32 |
| elnino | 7.0.8 - that's a long time ago. before my time. =) | 07:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | elnino: what I think happened is that wremonitor lost the plot - thought apache/spectre was dead and restarted it | 07:32 |
| elnino | but WHY? =) It was definately confused I agree. | 07:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | no idea, sorry | 07:33 |
| elnino | is there a way to disable wre? or modify what it double checks? | 07:33 |
| elnino | I mean wremonitor? | 07:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. not sure with the new version | 07:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | it used to be added to cron | 07:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | check /etc/crontab or try su'ing to the webgui user and crontab -e | 07:35 |
| elnino | ok... I came across this before.. And am a bit confused by it. I ALWAYS modify /etc/crontab. but if I do crontab -e the contents of the file is different. what's up with that? (wremonitor is in the "crontab -e") | 07:38 |
| elnino | is one a user's crontab? | 07:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah | 07:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | crontab -e is a users crontab | 07:38 |
| elnino | well, I'm root. | 07:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | root is a user too | 07:38 |
| elnino | so "whos" is the /etc/crontab. I thought that would be roots... | 07:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | nah, it's not anyones - it's the systems I guess | 07:39 |
| elnino | so where is root's crontab located? there is nothign in home or ~ or /usr | 07:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | not sure actually | 07:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | cron stores it somewhere obviously | 07:41 |
| elnino | ok... well. now I know.... Thanks! | 07:41 |
| elnino | to google I go. | 07:42 |
| elnino | /var/spool/cron/crontabs supposedly | 07:42 |
| elnino | and there it is. | 07:42 |
| elnino | ok. that is enough fun for today. now I get to document. Thanks! Have a good evening! | 07:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | enjoy :) | 07:46 |
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| specsmu | well, me go too. upgrade is done and I hope I don't have to touch webgui for a while. | 07:57 |
| specsmu | later | 07:57 |
| * Radix-wrk waves. | 07:57 | |
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| AMH_bob | Hi everybody, | 16:31 |
| AMH_bob | Happy New Year! | 16:31 |
| AMH_bob | Last week somebody wished me one, but work started to hit the fan right after that and I did not get to finish the chat. | 16:32 |
| +BartJol | happy new year AMH_bob | 16:36 |
| AMH_bob | tnx BartJol | 16:38 |
| AMH_bob | same to you!!! | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | thanx | 16:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hail, hail, the gang's all here | 17:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: So my wife is reading through her email today and asks me if I want to host a 22 year old Belgium girl for the semester........... | 17:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you speak Belgium-ese? | 17:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: nope, not a bit. | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, maybe pass | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | well, if she's not french speaking I should be able to translate | 17:40 |
| * deafferret dreams of two monkeys | 17:41 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, no matter what, I'll pass. Having a 22 year old girl living here and making use of the pool would not be conducive to a successful marriage :P | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, you are wise :) | 17:42 |
| +BartJol | even though your wife makes the proposition? | 17:42 |
| deafferret | perlmonkey2: ya, what BartJol said :) | 17:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Just me, my friend, she did not make that proposal in earnest. Merely a test, and I passed. | 17:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s/Just/trust/ | 17:43 |
| +BartJol | ah | 17:43 |
| +BartJol | she are evil | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: her and the rest of the women in the world :P | 17:43 |
| deafferret | turn the tables -- be insulted that your wife has so little faith in you | 17:43 |
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| * SDuensin will host! :-) | 17:44 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | deafferret: there is only one rule of marriage that I've found to be accurate. She is always right, even when she is wrong, you are also wrong. | 17:44 |
| +BartJol | darn, we sound like frustrated nerds | 17:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | :P | 17:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: I think you need to live in the area to host. But it might be worth moving here for a semester :P | 17:44 |
| deafferret | of course I'm frustrated. I'm married. | 17:44 |
| SDuensin | hhehe | 17:45 |
| AMH_bob | I'm still happy my wife is letting me go to the WUC again this year! | 17:46 |
| +BartJol | mmm and why is my the karma macro executed in a profile field from one user and not the other.... | 17:48 |
| +BartJol | mmm the caret is escaped | 17:52 |
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| @rizen | it sounds like you guys all just have terrible wives. =) | 17:56 |
| deafferret | like Ivan the Terrible? | 17:57 |
| SDuensin | No, but there's always room for 22 year old hotness! | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | I don't have one... but to move to the US for a smester just to host a girl... no | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | mmm I feel like catching eels with that caret, it keeps escaping | 18:02 |
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| SDuensin | Hey, while people are here, I want to argue about JSON in the database some more. :-) | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: Did you find your double variant problem? | 18:13 |
| SDuensin | Not yet. :-( | 18:14 |
| SDuensin | Ok, now I'm really confused... | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | I edited one of the duplicate variants. Now they're no longer the same, but the one I edited doesn't appear in the drop down to purchase it. | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | he, is there a new PB person in town? We don't take kindly of strange people | 18:25 |
| @preaction | BartJol: now now, we don't want no trouble | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:26 |
| @preaction | everybody give plainhao a nice, gooey welcome | 18:26 |
| SDuensin | Ewww | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | just introduce! then he/she is welcome | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, plainhao! | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | but welcome plainhao | 18:27 |
| @plainhao | hi, everybody! | 18:27 |
| @plainhao | today is my first day, hopefully not my last :) | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | plainhao: recipe for PB success. Don't tell rizen that he sucks. | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and don't mention the P word in channel | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | and don't mind if he does it to you | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | Perl? | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | no, the other P word | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, there may be several | 18:29 |
| * plainhao appreciates all the advice and will follow accordingly. | 18:30 | |
| @preaction | i suppose introductions will be in order, I'm Doug whom you've spoken to before | 18:32 |
| +BartJol | I'm a Bart, a Dutchie | 18:32 |
| +BartJol | s/a/the/ | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Bart is a perl programmer, and does the majority of the Dutch translation | 18:33 |
| @preaction | the as-mentiond rizen is JT Smith. Haarg is Graham (support and R&D expert). khenn is Frank (you've spoken to him as well) | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | perl programmer? that might be a bit to much credit | 18:34 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer is the test hero | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it does not matter how far along the path you are, only that you are on the path | 18:34 |
| +BartJol | and his name is Colin | 18:34 |
| @preaction | tavisto is Tavis Parker, the marketing guru. steveo_aa is Stephen Opal, Alumni expert (and Perl / JS developer) | 18:34 |
| * SDuensin is the #1 WebGUI Fan. | 18:35 | |
| @tavisto | Hi Hao, welcome aboard | 18:35 |
| @preaction | as for the rest, i shant violate their privacy | 18:35 |
| @tavisto | preaction = the man with one hand | 18:35 |
| @plainhao | thanks, tavis, i hope you're not in too much pain | 18:36 |
| @plainhao | oh, wait, it was doug who broke his hand :) | 18:36 |
| @tavisto | yep :) | 18:36 |
| @preaction | yeah, the codiene helps, but leaves me wondering what's happening at any given moment | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, have you been breaking the developers again? | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep telling you that you won't be allowed to play with them if you do... | 18:37 |
| @preaction | nono, tavis doesnt hit me, i... i... fell down some stairs | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | just have a fudge oat bar and some tylenol, preaction | 18:39 |
| @preaction | tylenol 3! its better than tylenol 1 and 2 | 18:39 |
| @plainhao | do you guys use the latest development version for client work, latest beta, or latest stable? | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | tavisto: if you do, your trip to the netherlands will be long and painfull | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | latest stable | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | or older, but that's due to laziness in the past | 18:40 |
| @tavisto | yeah, preaction rarely disobeys, but when he does the penalty involves a hammer and his fingers.. | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | plainhao, it depends on what the client wants | 18:41 |
| @tavisto | BartJol is next on the list. He is a big girly man! | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | girly? I don't take that from metroman | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, BartJol would bend you in a nice, tight, Michgander pretzel shape | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | but I'd rather not | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | no, we really do like tavisto | 18:42 |
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| @tavisto | BartJol looks mean (not really) but is actually just a nice big buzzed teddy bear | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | I do have a scary picture of me somewere though | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it's on webgui.org | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | smiling with a razor at the ready | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | no it's not there | 18:45 |
| @tavisto | hehe nice | 18:46 |
| * perlDreamer is not used to seeing BartJol with hair | 18:48 | |
| +BartJol | you should be after last WUC | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you were shaven then, yes? | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | my face was, and I had a haircut | 18:50 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: yung * r9148 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Auth/WebGUI.pm Inbox/Message.pm): forcing html in WebGUI Auth's welcome message email | 19:14 |
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| +cap10morgan | hey, i have a client who wanted to setup a photo gallery on their website. i encouraged them to use the photo gallery tool (their site is running on wG 7.5), but he gave me a list of shortcomings he'd found w/ it that are showstoppers for his using it for this. he wants to use something else now, but i wanted to put his list up somewhere so the wG community could try tackling them (either w/ code, clever ideas, or whatever). What's the best pl | 19:26 |
| dionak | sounds like RFE's | 19:27 |
| +cap10morgan | that's what I thought too | 19:27 |
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| SDuensin | I hate this database table. Hate it. HATE HATE HATE it. | 19:48 |
| * SDuensin refers to "Product". | 19:48 | |
| * perlDreamer won't take it personally | 19:49 | |
| SDuensin | I even filed an RFE. rizen denied it in record time. | 19:49 |
| SDuensin | Seriously. How is JSON in the database even remotely a good idea? (No offense.) | 19:50 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: it is good for a number of reasons | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it allows versioning of collateral | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it exports and packages and prototypes by default | 19:50 |
| SDuensin | So does another table. | 19:50 |
| @rizen | but the primary reason that basically gets rid of all other arguments is the one pd just stated | 19:50 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: no it doesn't | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Why not? It could. | 19:51 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer neglected to use the world "automatic" | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | Yea. | 19:51 |
| @rizen | we get it for free | 19:51 |
| @rizen | no additional work | 19:51 |
| @rizen | it just works | 19:51 |
| @rizen | anything else requires extra development effort, not to mention knowledge of the other subsystems that might use it | 19:51 |
| SDuensin | So we take bad database design when it lets us be lazy? That's a dangerous precedent. | 19:51 |
| @rizen | versioning, prototypes, packages, or anything else that comes in the future | 19:52 |
| @rizen | no SDuensin you're not seeing the picture here | 19:52 |
| @rizen | this isn't about laziness | 19:52 |
| @rizen | it's about compatibility | 19:52 |
| @rizen | we design our objects to work with all these other features | 19:52 |
| @rizen | not to work with the database | 19:52 |
| @rizen | the user doesn't care about the database | 19:53 |
| @rizen | the user cares that all their features work the way they exepct | 19:53 |
| SDuensin | I know the user doesn't, but the admin does. | 19:53 |
| @rizen | they want their products and all their variants to be versioned | 19:53 |
| @rizen | and the admin cares about that too | 19:53 |
| @rizen | the admin also doesn't care about the db | 19:53 |
| @rizen | only the programmer does | 19:53 |
| @rizen | and so the programmer has to make a sacrifice for the sake of the user and secondarly the admin | 19:54 |
| SDuensin | Well mine has become a complete disaster. | 19:54 |
| @rizen | and that's why the decision has been made | 19:54 |
| SDuensin | (And I used the API!) | 19:54 |
| @rizen | you either used it inapproriately, or we have not documented it well enough, or there is a bug, or all of the above | 19:55 |
| @rizen | regardless | 19:55 |
| @rizen | it has nothing to do with the choice to use json in in a table | 19:55 |
| SDuensin | But the JSON makes it practically unfixable. | 19:55 |
| @rizen | *you* should not care how the data is stored unless *you* are the one writing the product asset | 19:55 |
| @rizen | which you are not | 19:55 |
| SDuensin | No, but this started when I had to set all my products to an insane quantity to get them to show up. | 19:56 |
| SDuensin | Now I have duplicates of everything. | 19:56 |
| SDuensin | Except, only kinda. Which is what hurts my head. | 19:56 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: you can sit and bitch and whine if you want, but i won't participate in that discussion. you wanted to know why your RFE was rejected, and that's what i'm responding to | 19:56 |
| SDuensin | I see dupes in the admin area where you can edit variants, but not in the drop down where the user selects one to purchase. | 19:57 |
| SDuensin | Sorry if it sounds like bitching. I just think it's the wrong approach and wanted to debate it a bit. You've got damn good reasons. It's just going to require me (and others) to write a ton of scripts to manage their stores efficiently. | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, maybe we just need a product with variants that do not do inventory control. | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd be happy to write such a beast for you | 19:59 |
| SDuensin | Well, that'd fix one problem. My main hangup right now (other than fixing my dupes) is "sizes"... | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | sizes? | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | I know variants are intended for that, but here's the problem... | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | Say I have a ring that's available in silver and gold, wide and narrow... | 20:00 |
| SDuensin | That's four variants of one product... | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yes... | 20:01 |
| SDuensin | Now the ring comes in two dozen different sizes. My drop down now has almost a hundred items in it! | 20:01 |
| SDuensin | See how it gets out of hand very quickly? | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but like you said, it's a different problem, and I can only tackle one at a time | 20:03 |
| SDuensin | I understand that. I've considered a few hacks to fix it... | 20:04 |
| SDuensin | Either allowing arbitrary data to be entered when they are viewing the product, or just a quick hack to put a general comments field on the cart during check out. | 20:04 |
| * SDuensin already hacked his own Shelf to fix pagination. | 20:05 | |
| @rizen | SDuensin: put in RFE's for either scripts or UI based controls that do these maintenance functions | 20:05 |
| SDuensin | rizen - Will do. I figured the need for them would go away over time as the new shop becomes more mature. | 20:06 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: also put in RFE's for API enhancements to make writing said scripts easier and less error prone | 20:06 |
| @rizen | the shop becomes mature through RFE's | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | And after I manage to get out from under this site, I plan on doing some of this work myself. And other fun WebGUI things! | 20:06 |
| @rizen | until we know what walls people are running into it's hard to remove the walls | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | I know. I just like to understand the wall before I RFE something or report it as a bug. You guys have enough work without me filing half-baked reports. | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd rather sort through half-baked bug reports than have people being frustrated with unreported bugs | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and don't forget, _I'm_ responsible for the Shelf pagination thing. | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I was wrong in considering it a bug, when it was an RFE. | 20:09 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 20:09 |
| SDuensin | That one was easy. | 20:09 |
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| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9149 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): | 20:25 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Have Thingy check for existance of table and column to prevent | 20:25 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: SQL from dying. | 20:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: mountains of i18n coming when 7.6.8 is released | 20:47 |
| +BartJol | yeah, you told me | 20:48 |
| +BartJol | when is that due? | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | this week, I think | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry, man. | 20:49 |
| +BartJol | mmm, and I'm already behind | 20:49 |
| +BartJol | hee, not your fault, you're just doing your thing | 20:49 |
| bernd__ | Hey everyone, | 20:49 |
| bernd__ | I just posted some questions on JeOS. | 20:49 |
| bernd__ | Were these readable? | 20:49 |
| bernd__ | I was experiencing network problems on my side? | 20:50 |
| +BartJol | JeOS? | 20:50 |
| bernd__ | Hi perlDreamer, hi BartJol, btw. | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no, bernd__ No JeOS stuff from you so far, today | 20:50 |
| bernd__ | Ok. I see. | 20:50 |
| bernd__ | So I am going to repeat. | 20:50 |
| bernd__ | I was thinking about creating a new appliance based on JeOS. | 20:50 |
| bernd__ | A more light-weight appliance than the one that is available. | 20:50 |
| bernd__ | JeOS is a special flavor of the Ubuntu server edition. | 20:51 |
| +BartJol | oh, first I have to write a mail to the guy that made a loosy report on the state of my new house | 20:51 |
| bernd__ | I is specially designed for running inside virtual machines. | 20:51 |
| +BartJol | oh, prolly my opninion in that matter isn't worth that much | 20:51 |
| +BartJol | ah, but that might be interesting for me | 20:51 |
| bernd__ | So, tell me your wishes. | 20:51 |
| +BartJol | we have quite some of those, but most run on debian | 20:52 |
| bernd__ | What should it come with by default? | 20:52 |
| bernd__ | I was thinking of JeOS, because it is very small and William had mentioned it before. | 20:52 |
| bernd__ | That was during the discussion about whether to package wre tools separately. | 20:52 |
| +BartJol | well, I should dive in it for a bit before I can form an opinion | 20:53 |
| bernd__ | Besides, there are packages for ubuntu now available. | 20:53 |
| +BartJol | sorry, but my new house is a main priority bbl | 20:53 |
| bernd__ | BartJol, no problem! | 20:53 |
| bernd__ | If I had a house it would be my priority as well :-) | 20:54 |
| bernd__ | perlDreamer, any comments? | 20:54 |
| * perlDreamer likes fedora :( | 20:54 | |
| +perlDreamer | is JeOS different from Knoppix? | 20:54 |
| bernd__ | Even on Servers? | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | even on servers | 20:54 |
| bernd__ | No idea. | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been a red hat user for a very long time | 20:55 |
| bernd__ | I do not know knoppix. | 20:55 |
| bernd__ | I just know Debian and Ubuntu. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | but if red hat/fedora is not available, ubuntu would be my next choice | 20:55 |
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| bernd__ | My site is running on ubuntu server and I quite like it. | 20:55 |
| @tavisto | bernd__ I have communicated with several Canonical employees about getting WebGUI into Ubuntu. There is some interest (and they were considering using wG to run the Ubuntu website) but the guys seem to be extremely busy and limited on time. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I've heard lots of good things about Ubuntu. | 20:55 |
| bernd__ | It is very need. | 20:55 |
| bernd__ | It has the power of Debian testing but is a lot more stable. | 20:56 |
| bernd__ | At least it was in the past. | 20:56 |
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| bernd__ | That is the reason why I switched from Debian to ubuntu. | 20:56 |
| @tavisto | let me look up my last email b/c they mentioned how if we had interested contributors then it could be done fairly easy | 20:56 |
| bernd__ | tavisto, have you seen the new packages by jmarsden? | 20:57 |
| @tavisto | no, I did briefly see the emails on the dev list though | 20:57 |
| bernd__ | perlDreamer, check this one about JeOS: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos | 20:57 |
| @tavisto | This is a response I received from Malcom Yates @ canonical: Because it is GPL'd we can provide access to Ubuntu users through the Partner | 20:58 |
| @tavisto | repo, but a pre-req for this is that there is a deb available, and that the | 20:58 |
| @tavisto | deb passes our quality and build standards. We can help with that for a | 20:58 |
| @tavisto | charge. | 20:58 |
| @tavisto | If you had a MOTU, someone with commit rights to the Ubuntu Universe | 20:58 |
| @tavisto | repository, then this would enable you to add and maintain with no recourse | 20:58 |
| bernd__ | tavisto, he has published ubuntu packages for intrepid ibex based on the ones by ernesto! | 20:58 |
| @tavisto | to Canonical :-) | 20:58 |
| @tavisto | MOTU is Master Of The Universe | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I like the sound of that | 20:59 |
| bernd__ | I would assume that packages which make it into Debian are good enough for Ubuntu as well. | 20:59 |
| * perlDreamer is a MOTWU | 20:59 | |
| @tavisto | well that's what he stated above | 20:59 |
| @tavisto | the deb has to be available | 20:59 |
| @tavisto | and then it must meet their standards. Ernesto told me his code is way beyond the standards anyway | 20:59 |
| bernd__ | But is available already! Check http://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive | 21:00 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9150 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 21:00 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Fix problems created by deleting a linked thing. Added additional error messages | 21:00 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: and a general method for checking the other thing. | 21:00 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9151 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm i18n/English/Asset_Thingy.pm): Forward porting expanded patch for handling deleted things. | 21:00 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9152 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_DataForm.pm): Correct dataform captcha variable name in the help. | 21:00 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9153 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_DataForm.pm): Backporting dataform template variable (captcha) fix. | 21:00 |
| bernd__ | The only problem I see is that it is still a monolithic package. | 21:01 |
| bernd__ | perlDreamer, did you check the page on JeOS? | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I'm fixing bugs | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll look soon, though | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds nice. The best thing for wG would be no apache, no mysql, no mod_perl | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't see a list of packages | 21:05 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, list of packages? | 21:06 |
| bernd__ | You mean, packages that are available for installing on JeOS? | 21:06 |
| bernd__ | Again having network problems. | 21:08 |
| bernd__ | perlDreamer, did my last replies get through? | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be good to see the default list of packages | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it will be a choice between WRE (optimized for wG) and good packages (optimized for sysadmin) | 21:12 |
| bernd__ | Available packages are listed on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 21:12 |
| bernd__ | I do not know, which ones are installed by default. | 21:12 |
| bernd__ | But the server edition is very light-weight and only comes with a minimum. | 21:13 |
| bernd__ | Everything else needs to be apted in. | 21:13 |
| bernd__ | Why choose between WRE and admin packages? | 21:13 |
| bernd__ | We could use both. | 21:14 |
| bernd__ | One tool for managing WebGUI, one for the rest. | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, but the WRE versions of apache, perl and mysql are all stripped down for maximum performance | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and native ubuntu/debian packages may not be | 21:14 |
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| bernd__ | Since canonical provides a server edition of ubuntu, I would bet there packages are optimized for performance as well. | 21:15 |
| bernd__ | their packages | 21:16 |
| bernd__ | Still, we could modify configuration. | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | true. When I say stripped down, I mean they only compiled into the WRE only what wG needs. | 21:16 |
| bernd__ | But if you preferred the WRE, we could start with the WRE in the beginning. | 21:17 |
| bernd__ | That's what I am doing on my V-server. | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | for example, I'm fairly sure that a WRE mysql only includes the database driver for ISAM tables | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | so no transactions | 21:17 |
| bernd__ | Would that be a problem? | 21:18 |
| bernd__ | I mean, it is only disk space. | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | this is true | 21:18 |
| bernd__ | And probably not that much. | 21:18 |
| bernd__ | JeOS is only 300 Mb in its minimum installation. | 21:18 |
| bernd__ | I think, we could waste a bit. | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember it being a point of discussion with SquOnk as a package maintainer, but it's probably minor | 21:19 |
| bernd__ | But again, there is no reason not to use the WRE. | 21:19 |
| bernd__ | Do you think there would be some interest in a new appliance? | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd ask on the dev list | 21:20 |
| bernd__ | Or better, what would it have to come with to be interesting to others. | 21:20 |
| bernd__ | What would be your wish list. | 21:20 |
| bernd__ | ? | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | easy deployment for a new vm | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure, I haven't done much thinking about VM's | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ has done a lot of thinking about it though, as I'm sure that rizen and the other hosters have. | 21:22 |
| bernd__ | Deployment is probably rather a matter of the virtualization environment? | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:22 |
| +BartJol | SynQ isn't online that much anymore. You could try to send him a rpivate message via the webgui.org | 21:23 |
| bernd__ | I am going to search for his name in the forum. | 21:24 |
| +BartJol | it's koen | 21:24 |
| bernd__ | Maybe, he has some good advoice. | 21:24 |
| bernd__ | SynQ is koen? | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:24 |
| +BartJol | I don't think thatsynq exists in the website | 21:24 |
| bernd__ | Ah, koen I know. | 21:24 |
| bernd__ | Thanks! | 21:24 |
| +BartJol | np, you can bother him as much as you want, the lesser he is bothering me ;) | 21:25 |
| +BartJol | (he's my boss) | 21:25 |
| bernd__ | BartJol, I am going to re-active my spam daemon! | 21:26 |
| bernd__ | Haven't used it in a while. | 21:26 |
| +BartJol | :) | 21:26 |
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| +BartJol | whoa, full house, new years spirit? | 21:31 |
| * SDuensin is always here. :-) | 21:31 | |
| * perlDreamer suspects that SDuensin is really just an augmented bot. | 21:37 | |
| khenn_ | I'm just here so I can get my drama fix | 21:37 |
| khenn_ | =) | 21:37 |
| * crythias1 just wants everything he asks for. Right now. | 21:38 | |
| * SDuensin is a bot that can write bots then. | 21:39 | |
| SDuensin | Is that life? | 21:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: Given that it is a proven fact that I always lie, if I state that I am lying what is the result? | 21:40 |
| SDuensin | That puzzle leads to alcohol. | 21:40 |
| +crythias1 | hrm. while (FALSE==FALSE) do ; | 21:40 |
| +BartJol | alcohol? where?\ | 21:40 |
| * SDuensin always has *some* kind of booze ready to roll. | 21:42 | |
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| SDuensin | cap10morgan! That's alcohol! | 21:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, you certainly sound alive, yet not sober, to me | 21:42 |
| SDuensin | Unfortunately, the most potent thing I've had today was a hot cup of Earl Grey. | 21:44 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, maybe I should move to something else than water | 21:45 |
| dreamersgirl | it's gotta be noon somewhere in the world... | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it's after noon in BartJol's house | 21:48 |
| +BartJol | far after noon | 21:48 |
| +BartJol | you could call it evening | 21:48 |
| +BartJol | hee dreamersgirl, how're you doing? | 21:49 |
| dreamersgirl | good! | 21:49 |
| +BartJol | nice | 21:49 |
| dreamersgirl | how 'bout you? | 21:49 |
| +BartJol | well, busy with my new house | 21:49 |
| +BartJol | so good | 21:49 |
| dreamersgirl | new house!?! | 21:49 |
| +BartJol | indeed | 21:49 |
| dreamersgirl | fun! | 21:49 |
| +BartJol | yeah, I've got pictures | 21:50 |
| dreamersgirl | oooh | 21:50 |
| bernd__ | How do we know you are not cheating? | 21:50 |
| +BartJol | http://www.bartjol.nl/home/nieuw-huis | 21:50 |
| +BartJol | me? cheating? | 21:50 |
| bernd__ | Ah, definitely not cheating :-P | 21:50 |
| dreamersgirl | nice place! | 21:51 |
| +BartJol | nope, it's really real | 21:51 |
| +BartJol | yeah, lot to be done though | 21:51 |
| dreamersgirl | congrats | 21:51 |
| bernd__ | No, I meant showing some impressive place instead. | 21:52 |
| +BartJol | thanks | 21:52 |
| +BartJol | ah, like buckingham palace or the white house | 21:52 |
| bernd__ | In any case, much better than the 30 m2 I have at the moment. | 21:52 |
| +BartJol | ah, it will be 60 m2 | 21:52 |
| bernd__ | You should not exaggerate! Otherwise it is too obvious. | 21:52 |
| +BartJol | 60 isn't that big | 21:53 |
| bernd__ | That sounds reasonable. | 21:53 |
| bernd__ | Single? | 21:53 |
| +BartJol | yup | 21:53 |
| bernd__ | Sufficient. | 21:53 |
| +BartJol | but I plan to have a polygamous commune after may | 21:53 |
| bernd__ | Tolerant neighbors? | 21:53 |
| +BartJol | dunno yet, my neighbour upstairs sounded nice | 21:53 |
| +BartJol | the rest I don' | 21:53 |
| +BartJol | t know yet' | 21:53 |
| bernd__ | Convince them to join your commune! | 21:54 |
| bernd__ | Only the females, of course. | 21:54 |
| bernd__ | The others are free to leave. | 21:54 |
| +BartJol | that figures | 21:54 |
| bernd__ | BarJol, your homepage has not been translated completely yet! | 21:55 |
| bernd__ | Shame on you! | 21:55 |
| bernd__ | The gallery still shows some English labels! | 21:55 |
| +BartJol | eeh, it's mostly a testsite, which happens to break once a week. you could almost call it a feature :) | 21:56 |
| +BartJol | yeah, I like the english version better myself | 21:56 |
| bernd__ | Happy breaking in that case! | 21:56 |
| bernd__ | Did you get that letter finished? | 21:56 |
| +BartJol | I did | 21:56 |
| bernd__ | Good! | 21:56 |
| bernd__ | Does that mean we can talk about appliances again? | 21:57 |
| dreamersgirl | Speaking of translations, do the Dutch words "Nieuw huis" sound anything like "new house" in English? | 21:57 |
| +BartJol | dreamersgirl: a bit | 21:57 |
| bernd__ | Can give in phonetic symbols, please? | 21:57 |
| bernd__ | you | 21:57 |
| +BartJol | bernd__: yeah, but I think you'll be talking garbled crap to me quite soon | 21:57 |
| +BartJol | ooh, webgui phonetic | 21:58 |
| bernd__ | crap? | 21:58 |
| dreamersgirl | rizen would like that | 21:58 |
| dreamersgirl | he speaks garbled crap quite well, I hear | 21:58 |
| bernd__ | phonetics? | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | web gooey fone tik | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | web gooey foe net ick | 21:58 |
| +BartJol | bernd__: I mean I won't understand you, because I haven't eaten a lot of chees of that | 21:58 |
| bernd__ | I do not know much of it either. | 21:59 |
| dreamersgirl | it's noon here... | 21:59 |
| bernd__ | What I want to talk about is the image. | 21:59 |
| bernd__ | What should it look like? | 21:59 |
| bernd__ | Which software? | 21:59 |
| dreamersgirl | gotta go make lunch for a sick kid. Later, guys! | 21:59 |
| bernd__ | Later! | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | sick kid? How about a hard working husband? | 21:59 |
| +BartJol | ok, is that last thing you posted a good intro for me? | 21:59 |
| bernd__ | dreamersgirl your wife, perlDreamer? | 22:00 |
| dreamersgirl | you really want plain rice and dry toast? | 22:00 |
| +BartJol | dreamersgirl, do that | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | she's stuck with me, bernd__ | 22:00 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 22:00 |
| +BartJol | how far are you two actually apart? | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | about 30 cm | 22:00 |
| bernd__ | perlDreamer, that is what happens if you spend too much time on the chat and neglect your wife!" | 22:00 |
| +BartJol | :) | 22:00 |
| dreamersgirl | he's working | 22:00 |
| dreamersgirl | isn't he? | 22:00 |
| bernd__ | Sometimes. | 22:01 |
| +BartJol | he's just chatting with is european friends | 22:01 |
| bernd__ | But can't be much at the frequency he is replying to my questions. | 22:01 |
| +BartJol | s/is/his | 22:01 |
| dreamersgirl | gotcha. | 22:01 |
| dreamersgirl | now back to the dry toast... | 22:01 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, don't you have nice European friends? | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I have very nice european friends | 22:02 |
| bernd__ | BartJol, back to garbled crap! | 22:02 |
| bernd__ | Which post? | 22:02 |
| +BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/ubuntu-packages/ | 22:03 |
| SDuensin | Hey, in the product variants, what's the difference between "vid" and "variantId"? | 22:03 |
| +BartJol | SDuensin: where do you find those labels? | 22:04 |
| bernd__ | No! Not much of interest at the moment. | 22:04 |
| SDuensin | When I Dumper::Dump a $variant. | 22:04 |
| bernd__ | My question is: what would you want such an image be able to do? | 22:04 |
| bernd__ | Which software should it come with? | 22:04 |
| bernd__ | What would be your preferred way of administrating it? | 22:04 |
| bernd__ | For example, should the wreconsole run by default? | 22:05 |
| +BartJol | so an image of an OS that you wanna use for WebGUI? | 22:05 |
| bernd__ | ... to be run inside a virtual environment later on. | 22:05 |
| bernd__ | Exactly! | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | vid = form variable used to store a variantId ? | 22:05 |
| bernd__ | The idea is to generate something easily deployable on root servers. | 22:06 |
| bernd__ | Just clone the image and start a new server!" | 22:06 |
| bernd__ | Like the appliance that is available already. | 22:06 |
| bernd__ | Just smaller. | 22:06 |
| +BartJol | but aren't we looking for all features inside the wre plus some basics? | 22:06 |
| bernd__ | And more comfortable. | 22:06 |
| SDuensin | I'm writing a de-duper. Just curious. | 22:07 |
| bernd__ | Probably, still the WRE at the moment. | 22:07 |
| bernd__ | So let us talk about the basics. | 22:07 |
| bernd__ | e-Mail? | 22:07 |
| bernd__ | SSH? | 22:07 |
| bernd__ | IRC? | 22:07 |
| +BartJol | it should be able to handle those indeed | 22:07 |
| bernd__ | FTP? | 22:07 |
| +BartJol | well, ftp isn't used that much | 22:08 |
| +BartJol | a readable firewall should be included | 22:08 |
| bernd__ | Which one? | 22:08 |
| +BartJol | we use shorewall | 22:08 |
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| bernd__ | What about an admin tool? | 22:08 |
| +BartJol | which is an interface for iptables | 22:08 |
| bernd__ | I like webmin, for example. | 22:08 |
| +BartJol | admin tool for what exactly? | 22:09 |
| bernd__ | It has a module for configuring shorewall. | 22:09 |
| bernd__ | Everything. | 22:09 |
| bernd__ | Something like yast. | 22:09 |
| bernd__ | Just web-enabled. | 22:09 |
| +BartJol | that has some downsides with security stuff | 22:09 |
| +BartJol | I would more think in the direction of what xencentre is for xenserver | 22:10 |
| bernd__ | Works through secure http. | 22:10 |
| bernd__ | Safe enough? | 22:10 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but a ssl certificate won't be optional | 22:10 |
| bernd__ | I have not worked with xenserver yet. | 22:10 |
| bernd__ | Why not use a private one? | 22:10 |
| * SDuensin has never managed to make Webmin work. :-( | 22:10 | |
| +BartJol | last week I passed my administration xen exam | 22:11 |
| bernd__ | SDuensin, on ubuntu server you just install the deb package. | 22:11 |
| SDuensin | bernd__ - I know, but I load all the optional crap and break it. :-) | 22:11 |
| +BartJol | actually that's easy, only a lot of facts | 22:11 |
| bernd__ | OOps, my accu is almost empty. | 22:11 |
| bernd__ | We need to go on some other time. | 22:12 |
| +BartJol | ok | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | what is an accu? | 22:12 |
| +BartJol | a have wall current at home :) | 22:12 |
| +BartJol | battery | 22:12 |
| bernd__ | Check this thread if you want to participate in the discussion: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/poll-wre-utilities-as-a-distribution/6/re-poll-wre-utilities-as-a-distribution | 22:13 |
| bernd__ | Yeah, battery. | 22:13 |
| +BartJol | but in Dutch (and prolly german) we have differnt words for rechargable batteries (accu) and none recharchable ones: batteries | 22:13 |
| bernd__ | Accu probably isn't English at all. | 22:13 |
| bernd__ | It means re-chargeable battery. | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, thanks | 22:14 |
| +BartJol | that link breaks with me | 22:14 |
| bernd__ | Ok. I need to shut down. | 22:14 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, Ubuntu guys, why does SSH work but not SFTP on my server? | 22:15 |
| +BartJol | strange | 22:15 |
| +BartJol | I'd guess something with your FW | 22:15 |
| SDuensin | It's all over 22, isn't it? | 22:15 |
| * SDuensin wants to edit his remote crap with Coda. | 22:16 | |
| +BartJol | ssh is 443 i thought | 22:16 |
| +BartJol | ssl is 22 if I'm correct | 22:16 |
| SDuensin | Backwards. | 22:16 |
| SDuensin | But then again, you are on the other side of the planet. :-) | 22:16 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 22:17 |
| +BartJol | oh yeah, I'm confused | 22:17 |
| @plainhao | sftp needs to be enabled as a service in your ssh_config | 22:17 |
| danny_mk | Good new year everyone, any plans for the 2009 conference yet? | 22:17 |
| SDuensin | plainhao - I did that. :-/ | 22:18 |
| @plainhao | d'oh, nevermind then :) | 22:18 |
| +BartJol | something with beer in the hotel bar at the end of the day danny_mk | 22:18 |
| danny_mk | sure, would like to see a presentation on the Authentication modules, specifically the OpenId authentication :-) | 22:18 |
| danny_mk | boy, new year, same crap :-) | 22:19 |
| +BartJol | well, offer to do it yourself | 22:19 |
| +BartJol | JT will be glad with it I think | 22:19 |
| danny_mk | I can do like a new install, probably 20min or so | 22:19 |
| danny_mk | Explain how it works | 22:19 |
| danny_mk | lord, come to think about it, I talk to much :-) | 22:20 |
| danny_mk | maybe 40min | 22:20 |
| +BartJol | danny_mk: just ask him whether he think that will be a good idea | 22:20 |
| +BartJol | just give an idea how you wanna build up your presentation | 22:20 |
| +BartJol | he'll disagree as he feels fit | 22:21 |
| danny_mk | I think JT will be working on OpenId authorization for 8.x.x | 22:21 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but he's always busy around the wuc | 22:21 |
| danny_mk | I guess I will ask when we are closer to the conference | 22:22 |
| danny_mk | which is usually in the fall, right? | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, I think he's just rewriting the underlying Auth interface | 22:22 |
| +BartJol | the 2 I went to were in august and october | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and probably the WebGUI and LDAP plugins | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's september this year? | 22:22 |
| +BartJol | I dunno, we should ask Ryan | 22:23 |
| danny_mk | Hopefully I will not have to judge any canaries during the week of the conference | 22:23 |
| +BartJol | canaries? | 22:23 |
| +BartJol | small birds? | 22:23 |
| danny_mk | My schedule usually starts the last weekend in September | 22:24 |
| danny_mk | Yes, small birds | 22:24 |
| danny_mk | www.canarysave.com | 22:24 |
| +BartJol | pheew, it's a webgui site ;) | 22:24 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 22:24 |
| danny_mk | of course | 22:24 |
| +BartJol | but if you can announce it this early, you should be ok, right? | 22:25 |
| danny_mk | sure | 22:25 |
| +BartJol | I'd like to meet new people | 22:25 |
| +BartJol | if I'm allowed to go | 22:25 |
| danny_mk | my new boss seems pretty flexible, as long as I do some work from there I think he will be happy | 22:26 |
| +BartJol | and I haven't seen any small birds at the wuc lunches so far | 22:27 |
| danny_mk | LOL, other than a penguin, you probably wont | 22:27 |
| danny_mk | I really hate the WebGUI captcha image :-( | 22:27 |
| +BartJol | :) | 22:27 |
| danny_mk | Can't wait to possibly get ReCaptcha working | 22:28 |
| +BartJol | maybe make a rfe with a suggestion for another captcha tool | 22:28 |
| danny_mk | that is already in the works | 22:29 |
| danny_mk | I have seen conversations on here about a reCaptcha implementation, just waiting until it is done | 22:29 |
| +BartJol | ah, once again I'm too slow :) | 22:29 |
| SDuensin | ssh is angering me greatly. | 22:31 |
| danny_mk | perlDreamer: would love to know what his thoughts are on the Auth interface | 22:32 |
| * plainhao assumes SDuesin restarted ssh? | 22:32 | |
| SDuensin | Yup. | 22:32 |
| SDuensin | The only clue I get is on the client side: subsystem request failed on channel 0 | 22:33 |
| SDuensin | I checked the location of my sftp-server binary, made sure world can execute it, restarted ssh again. | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, given that I talked about Auth in my Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes talk last year, I'd say it's just due for a complete overhaul and modernization. | 22:33 |
| danny_mk | is there a public document I can read on the new implementation? | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:35 |
| danny_mk | guess I will have to wait until 8.x.x | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I have the feeling that he knows what he wants to change, but hasn't formalized anything yet | 22:35 |
| danny_mk | perlDreamer: is there a video of your talk about "Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes"? specifically about Auth | 22:45 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I figured out my ssh problem. I was being stupid. It's "sshd_config", not "ssh_config"! Doh! | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it's on wgtv | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | or should be soon | 22:46 |
| danny_mk | looking there now | 22:46 |
| danny_mk | 2008 right? | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | bopbop is putting up a bunch of new vids this week so it may be in that grouping | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | 2008, yes | 22:49 |
| @bopbop | it's not up yet, but it can be | 22:49 |
| @bopbop | I'll look for the tape tonight | 22:49 |
| @rizen | if it's not already out there and it's not in that grouping then you'll have to wait on it. we only put out a few new vids per month | 22:49 |
| danny_mk | OK | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, if you have time, you might want to read back through the logs and make sure I didn't mislead danny_mk about the new Auth in wG 8. | 22:51 |
| danny_mk | rizen: any interest in a OpenId presentation? | 22:51 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: do you mean for WUC 2009? | 22:51 |
| danny_mk | yes | 22:51 |
| @rizen | absolutely | 22:51 |
| danny_mk | I want to make sure I can take some time off the week of the conference, the sooner we find out when and where the better chance I will have to attend | 22:52 |
| @rizen | you can demo the module you've created, talk about open id in general and why it's good, and maybe even show off openid in WebGUI 8 | 22:52 |
| danny_mk | NY would be great :-) | 22:52 |
| @rizen | it's in madison wi | 22:52 |
| +BartJol | the concourse hotel to be precise | 22:54 |
| @rizen | september 9-11 | 22:54 |
| @rizen | wed - fri | 22:54 |
| @rizen | that's when it will be | 22:54 |
| topsub | /cheer | 22:54 |
| danny_mk | OK | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | back to a 3-day format? is does that include tutorials? | 22:54 |
| +BartJol | ah, he's hoping that the dutchies will crash into a building | 22:55 |
| +BartJol | sorry, bad taste alert | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | not a problem, BartJol. | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | InterPol will be there in 10 minutes in any case | 22:58 |
| +BartJol | here, or at JT's house? | 22:59 |
| @rizen | yes, 3 day format | 23:00 |
| @rizen | and yes it will include workshops | 23:00 |
| +BartJol | cool | 23:00 |
| @rizen | 3 days, 3 tracks | 23:00 |
| +BartJol | whoa, that will be busy | 23:00 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... when do I get some of that juicy OpenId rfe karma :-) | 23:05 |
| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer - This script finds my duplicates, but how to I write what I want back to the database using the nice and safe API? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m351280fa | 23:05 |
| @rizen | danny_mk every time you update it in the bazaar you get karma | 23:06 |
| @rizen | and if you are featured as PBWG you get karma | 23:07 |
| @rizen | which you should probably be (bopbop please add danny_mk to the list for PBWG) | 23:07 |
| @rizen | and this year, for the first time, you'll get karma for both attending and presenting at the wuc | 23:08 |
| +BartJol | it's a list? I thought I was special ;) | 23:08 |
| @rizen | yes BartJol you are forever the only PBWG | 23:08 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:08 |
| +BartJol | rather not, I'm getting fraked out by my own picture | 23:08 |
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| danny_mk | I still have to write the tests for the Auth module, probably using WWW::Mechanize, that may be a bit of a challenge. | 23:20 |
| +crythias1 | hrm. | 23:22 |
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| SDuensin | Go Go Automat! | 23:29 |
| @rizen | danny_mk: http://www.webgui.org/wuc/2009-call-for-participation | 23:32 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... I have never written a bio | 23:33 |
| danny_mk | I guess I will have to write one now, | 23:33 |
| danny_mk | brb | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk, the bios can be very informal | 23:39 |
| danny_mk | Would a title like: The OpenId::Auth module be OK? | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | danny_mk is a canary-judging, perl hacking machine who lives in $self->getHome and dreams of a world where OpenId is the auth mechanism of choice | 23:40 |
| danny_mk | of course not very creative :-( | 23:40 |
| danny_mk | LOL | 23:40 |
| danny_mk | hmmm... I like that :-) | 23:41 |
| danny_mk | I think I will use it | 23:41 |
| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer - This script finds my duplicates, but how to I write what I want back to the database using the nice and safe API? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m351280fa | 23:41 |
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| elnino | Hi. My network administrator wants to move our production webserver to a virtual host. I cringe at the thought. Do others have thoughts about having production servers on virtual servers? I suppose as long as the hardware can support it and the other virtual servers it's fine? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: use the deleteCollateral method to remove the duplicate | 23:45 |
| elnino | server would be running zen server and may have four virtual servers. | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem being, of course, if you have duplicate ids in the JSON that it might return either entry | 23:45 |
| SDuensin | Does setCollateral not check for dupes? Pretty sure that's what got me in trouble here. | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | setCollateral does not care | 23:46 |
| SDuensin | Then it is EVIL! :-) | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you own a hammer? | 23:47 |
| SDuensin | Why, yes. I just fixed a Big Wheel with it. | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Then you know that if you hit a window with it that bad things will happen. | 23:47 |
| SDuensin | Bad things always happen in Windows. | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | The hammer will not arrest its movement if you use it the wrong way | 23:48 |
| SDuensin | Hey man, I just used some crazy dude's sample code. :-P | 23:48 |
| * perlDreamer remembers that he's probably responsible for the sample code | 23:48 | |
| * SDuensin grins | 23:49 | |
| +crythias1 | elnino I'm running on vps | 23:49 |
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| +crythias1 | serveraxis | 23:49 |
| +crythias1 | although, it's pretty much all that's running, WebGUI is doing OK on it. | 23:50 |
| elnino | So, should I take webgui's requirements and multiply it by four? at least when he goes buying the server? | 23:50 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: I've got one again: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9402 | 23:51 |
| +crythias1 | elnino: I think I've missed your requirements. | 23:51 |
| elnino | welll, webgui's requirements. =) | 23:51 |
| elnino | right now, it's on it's own server, and I have no idea what else he wants to put on the other virtual servers. | 23:52 |
| +crythias1 | yes, but are you doing 4 webgui sites one per vps, one webgui per four vps, or 4 on one? | 23:52 |
| elnino | so I figured it should be four time more powerful of a server. =) | 23:52 |
| elnino | no, i have two sites on one install of webgui - on one virtual server. | 23:52 |
| elnino | but it's our corporate website. | 23:52 |
| +crythias1 | is the intention to use your own hardware or outsource? | 23:52 |
| elnino | own hardware. | 23:52 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: translation * r9155 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Matrix.pm: Update from translation server | 23:53 |
| +crythias1 | then I'd say quadruple webgui. Otherwise, I'd scale as needed from outsource. I'm paying $65/month for unmetered vps, forinstance. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: done | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | fix will be out with the next release | 23:54 |
| +BartJol | darn, you're quick | 23:54 |
| +crythias1 | erm.. $60 | 23:54 |
| +crythias1 | http://serveraxis.com/vps.php 1gb RAM, 100GB hd, 10mbit unmetered bandwidth. | 23:55 |
| @rizen | elnino: here's a good rule of thumb | 23:56 |
| @rizen | 1 core x 1gb ram will give you about 20,000 page views per day while keeping your load under 1.0 | 23:56 |
| @rizen | the same logic works on a vps | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that's 1 page view every 5 seconds | 23:58 |
| @rizen | the same logic works on a vps except that the VPS has it's IO tied up by the other slices | 23:58 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: yeah i know, but it takes into account a few things like page complexity, background processing (workflow), etc | 23:59 |
| @rizen | and keeping the load under 1.0 | 23:59 |
| elnino | can you explian "under 1.0" 1.0 of what? | 23:59 |
| @rizen | which means that you're not stressing the server at all | 23:59 |
| @rizen | load is a hard thing to define elnino | 23:59 |
| elnino | what do you use to measure load? | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | but generally speaking a load of 1.0 or less means that the server is not being taxed | 00:00 |
| @rizen | type w | 00:00 |
| SDuensin | It's the number of processes waiting to run in the task queue, isn't it? | 00:00 |
| @rizen | at the command line | 00:00 |
| @rizen | no | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | uptime | 00:00 |
| @rizen | a load of 1 means that the server is not having to "share" compute cycles between processes | 00:00 |
| @rizen | as in it's able to process everything in real time | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, please pastebin me some bad product variant JSON so i can see it | 00:01 |
| SDuensin | Right. Nothing is stacked up. | 00:01 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Sure. | 00:01 |
| @rizen | that gets fuzzy though, when you start talking about threading, multiple-cores, hyperthreading, multiple CPU's etc | 00:01 |
| SDuensin | rizen - true | 00:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone want to join in on the quest to figure out a robust solution to the SC's synopsis regex's and wide chars? The regex hangs on byte strings like Arabic. | 00:01 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Here's the last one in my database: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50a50c9e | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, if they're all exact duplicates like that, then deleteCollateral will work fine | 00:04 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: and another : http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9403 | 00:04 |
| SDuensin | It won't take them both? | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:05 |
| @rizen | anyway elnino, the point was that the number of sites on your server is pretty much irrelevant, it's more about the number of page views you're dealing with vs the amount of hardware that you have available, vs how much load you can stomach | 00:05 |
| * SDuensin didn't look up the source yet. | 00:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | it finds the first index | 00:05 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Excellent. Thanks bud! (I *will* back up first!) | 00:05 |
| @rizen | i like to keep the load on our servers to less than 1.0 during normal usage so that we have plenty of resources available during peak usage | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. especially since I helped create the mess that you're in... | 00:05 |
| @rizen | however, many people run their servers at a much higher load | 00:05 |
| elnino | thanks rizen... I had to step to the phone, but am back.. Does the vps server up as the virtual servers need? or does it say "you get this you get that, and that's it"? | 00:06 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - No worries. :-) | 00:06 |
| @rizen | elnino: most of them define fixed resources in advance | 00:07 |
| elnino | ah. good to know... | 00:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | load average: 10.06, 10.45, 8.91 :D | 00:07 |
| elnino | is that high? the server I'm look at is: load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ;P | 00:08 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: is that one of our servers? if so i'm wondeirng why we aren't being paged | 00:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: no, my server | 00:08 |
| elnino | but that is a different server than what I'm talking about. I'm curious as to what that one is.... | 00:08 |
| elnino | .42, .37, .23,, I'm thinking I don't have much to worry about at this time... | 00:09 |
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| elnino | or is that the load my user is causing at this particular time? | 00:09 |
| @rizen | that's just your load over the last 10 minutes or so | 00:10 |
| @rizen | you should check it several times through-out the day | 00:10 |
| @rizen | and if you know when your peak usage is, you should check the load at that time | 00:10 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: I suppose you also made the i18n for the survey? | 00:10 |
| elnino | it's be nice if there was a report of the load. that can be emailed me each day. Any suggested software? | 00:10 |
| +BartJol | what do you mean with Section branch goto variable name: | 00:11 |
| +BartJol | I think I understand | 00:11 |
| +BartJol | but not sure | 00:11 |
| @rizen | elnino: what you want is SNMP monitoring with graphing | 00:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: the end of a section can branch, but needs a variable name to go to. Questions and sections have variable names, and the target variable name would go into the goto variable name. | 00:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: patspam has made that a drop down and will be merged at the next oppurtunity. The drop down should make it much easier to understand. | 00:12 |
| @rizen | the most common free one on the net is MRTG | 00:12 |
| @rizen | http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/ | 00:12 |
| elnino | great! thanks! I'll look into that. | 00:13 |
| @rizen | but you still have to set it u | 00:13 |
| @rizen | up | 00:13 |
| +BartJol | thanks perlmonkey2 | 00:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: anything for you Bart :P | 00:14 |
| elnino | rizen. that's for when we own the hardware and router. My network guy most likely has something setup like that. if not, I'll recommend it to him. Do you recommend anything when the hardware is outsourced? I work with both situations (own and outsourced). | 00:15 |
| +BartJol | ok then: drop your trousers | 00:15 |
| +BartJol | and what is a terminal in the survey perlmonkey2 | 00:16 |
| +BartJol | ? | 00:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | a URL | 00:16 |
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| +BartJol | and a terminal section? | 00:16 |
| elnino | rizen, that first sentence was supposed to be a question.... | 00:17 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: what is a terminal section? | 00:18 |
| @rizen | elnino: you can use mrtg with that...but there are other tools too when you want to do more stuff | 00:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: a section which upon completion will end the survey and if there is a survey or section terminal url given, it will forward to that url. | 00:19 |
| @rizen | like OpenNMS for example | 00:19 |
| @rizen | at Plain Black we use Zabbix | 00:19 |
| +BartJol | ok, that's clear | 00:20 |
| @rizen | it does monitoring, and we can also use it for data trending | 00:20 |
| @rizen | like monitoring load activity on servers and generating pretty graphs | 00:20 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9156 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the i18n help for the ITransact Pay Driver. | 00:20 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9157 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting i18n fix for PayDriver ITransact. | 00:20 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: translation * r9158 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Shop.pm Asset_MatrixListing.pm PayDriver_ITransact.pm): Update from translation server | 00:20 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9159 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (12 files in 3 dirs): | 00:20 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Large batch of Help and i18n. Also, make sure that the | 00:20 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: Shop plugin for the Account always has an array ref in it. | 00:20 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: colin * r9160 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix some Survey i18n typos in the time limit hoverhelp. | 00:20 |
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| +BartJol | well, I'm up at a 100% again, luckily it will be a lot lower later this week | 00:22 |
| +BartJol | so go ahead perlDreamer, make my day | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just trying to keep you gainfully employed, BartJol | 00:29 |
| +BartJol | too bad it is scrapped from my duties at procolix | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | huh? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | no way! | 00:31 |
| +BartJol | way | 00:33 |
| +BartJol | now I've gotta find a way to make it fun | 00:34 |
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| +BartJol | allthough I don't mind finding the typ-o's in the english i18n | 00:35 |
| +BartJol | it gives me lots of karma :) | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | 10 karma for each typo | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you know why your job responsibilities changed? | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | well, I don't think we really get more customers from translating WebGUI and it takes huge amounts of time | 00:41 |
| +BartJol | it's a money thing | 00:41 |
| elnino | rizen - dang phone.... thanks for the info! | 00:41 |
| CIA-45 | WebGUI: translation * r9161 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Survey.pm: Update from translation server | 00:50 |
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| bernd__ | Hey BartJol! | 12:58 |
| bernd__ | Sorry for my sudden disappearance yesterday. | 12:58 |
| bernd__ | But I was not at home. | 12:58 |
| +BartJol | hey | 12:59 |
| +BartJol | don't mind, and you did announce your accu going low | 13:00 |
| bernd__ | You mean battery :-) | 13:00 |
| +BartJol | yeah :) | 13:00 |
| bernd__ | BartJol, does procolix rent out root servers? | 13:01 |
| +BartJol | so you wanna have root access? | 13:01 |
| +BartJol | I have to ask | 13:02 |
| +BartJol | but you have limited garantuees | 13:03 |
| +BartJol | I mean, yes we do, but you have limited garantuees | 13:03 |
| +BartJol | bernd__: if you want to have an offer just mail us | 13:07 |
| +BartJol | I was gonna say invoice :) | 13:08 |
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| bernd2 | BartJol, I think I missed your reply. | 13:09 |
| +BartJol | prolly you missed my comments | 13:09 |
| bernd2 | My connection was interrupted. | 13:09 |
| +BartJol | BartJol: so you wanna have root access? | 13:09 |
| +BartJol | BartJol: I have to ask | 13:09 |
| +BartJol | BartJol: but you have limited garantuees | 13:09 |
| +BartJol | BartJol: I mean, yes we do, but you have limited garantuees | 13:09 |
| +BartJol | BartJol: bernd__: if you want to have an offer just mail us | 13:09 |
| +BartJol | BartJol: I was gonna say invoice :) | 13:09 |
| bernd2 | Do you have a rough idea how much you bill per month? | 13:10 |
| +BartJol | actually, no | 13:10 |
| +BartJol | SynQ's the man for that | 13:11 |
| bernd2 | This is the best offer I have found so far: http://www.junior-server.de/ | 13:11 |
| bernd2 | The plans for EUR29 and EUR39 are interesting to me. | 13:11 |
| bernd2 | Do you think procolix could compete with that? | 13:11 |
| +BartJol | I would have to ask | 13:12 |
| +BartJol | and it is lunchtime | 13:12 |
| bernd2 | Better to send an email to Koen? | 13:12 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 13:12 |
| +BartJol | with some specs | 13:12 |
| bernd2 | Good. Going to do that then. | 13:12 |
| +BartJol | you'll get a VM | 13:12 |
| +BartJol | prolly | 13:12 |
| bernd2 | What does "prolly" mean? | 13:13 |
| +BartJol | probably | 13:13 |
| bernd2 | Ah, I have looked it up. | 13:13 |
| bernd2 | You spend too much time on the chat with those Americans. | 13:13 |
| +BartJol | :) | 13:13 |
| bernd2 | I assume it is perlDreamer who is spoiling your English. | 13:14 |
| +BartJol | I learned that from martin | 13:14 |
| +BartJol | fooood | 13:14 |
| bernd2 | Guten Appetit! | 13:15 |
| bernd2 | How to say that in dutch? | 13:15 |
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| +BartJol | plainhao: you're an early morning type | 13:54 |
| @plainhao | not really :) | 14:00 |
| +BartJol | but, you're the new dev guy/girl? | 14:01 |
| @plainhao | yep | 14:01 |
| +BartJol | nice | 14:01 |
| @plainhao | how long did it take you to get comfortable with webgui? | 14:02 |
| +BartJol | well, my story is quite strange and long | 14:02 |
| @plainhao | oh, haha | 14:02 |
| +BartJol | I started with translating, then moved to front end support | 14:02 |
| +BartJol | now I'm moving into the backend area | 14:03 |
| +BartJol | but without a lot of programming experience, this is taking its fair amount of time | 14:03 |
| @plainhao | good thing there's documentation | 14:04 |
| +BartJol | yeah and when I code, I just steal ideas from existing code | 14:04 |
| @preaction | it took me 6-8 months really | 14:06 |
| @plainhao | ok | 14:06 |
| @preaction | and i cursed just about everybody on the way | 14:06 |
| @plainhao | haha, even rizen? | 14:06 |
| @preaction | especially jt | 14:06 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but you have a natural ability for cursing preaction | 14:06 |
| @preaction | if it's story time: Version 5 of WG was not object oriented. the session "object" was a globally-scoped hash | 14:07 |
| @preaction | i wasn;t here for that, thank god | 14:07 |
| @plainhao | that sounds ok to me :) | 14:07 |
| @preaction | heh, you do mason work then? | 14:08 |
| @plainhao | a little bit | 14:08 |
| @preaction | $::session{url} <- the $:: construct was introduced to me with mason | 14:08 |
| @preaction | i believe the problem became mod-perl's handling of globally-scoped variables (they never hit the GC) | 14:09 |
| @plainhao | yeah | 14:09 |
| @preaction | but the real problem is in the design: a global is a piece of magic | 14:09 |
| @plainhao | well, you just have to put a lot of trust in the developers | 14:10 |
| @preaction | that's a good idea for a small project with few developers under your direct control | 14:10 |
| @preaction | webgui is a large project, a framework plus a CMS, with diverse developers and a community of contributers who have varying levels of programming experience with languages other than Perl | 14:10 |
| @preaction | so the strictly perly constructs can lead to problems | 14:11 |
| @preaction | but foremost the api/framework must remain safe from the casual errors of programmers (if not also the maliious intents of programmers) | 14:12 |
| * plainhao agrees | 14:13 | |
| @preaction | that being said, there is a WebGUI Developer's Guide that does a very good job of reaching in-between the lines of the POD | 14:13 |
| @preaction | which you're entitled to as a pb employee, and which may in fact already be on its way to your house | 14:14 |
| @preaction | i believe that jamie vrbsky (vrby) would be the person to ask about that, or frank | 14:14 |
| * plainhao thinks frank sent them yesterday | 14:15 | |
| +BartJol | preaction: do you think it can harm if I manually delete complete workflowinstances from the db? | 14:15 |
| +BartJol | were reaching to 300 a page of them | 14:15 |
| @preaction | BartJol: yes. "complete" means one activity completed. "done" means all activities are completed | 14:16 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 14:16 |
| +BartJol | but they don't seem to get done | 14:16 |
| @preaction | you might want to check which activity is next | 14:16 |
| @preaction | there's a lastCompleted field i think | 14:16 |
| @preaction | lastActivity maybe? | 14:16 |
| +BartJol | lastStatus | 14:17 |
| @preaction | then match that one up to the activityId in the WorkflowActivity table | 14:17 |
| +BartJol | and currentActivityId | 14:17 |
| @preaction | current, yes | 14:17 |
| +BartJol | ah | 14:17 |
| @preaction | if they're all the same, something strange might be happening, or perhaps there's too much to complete | 14:17 |
| +BartJol | well most of them are to get syndicated content | 14:20 |
| +BartJol | 310 of 330 | 14:21 |
| +BartJol | but that's in 1 site, but the rest seem to be compliant to that | 14:24 |
| @preaction | do you have 310 syndicated content assets in that site? | 14:26 |
| +BartJol | nope, as far as I know none | 14:26 |
| +BartJol | it's just in the hourly workflow\ | 14:27 |
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| +BartJol | here's a list of the queries I got in the log at debug level: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/database-cache-gives-an-error/6#id3RRcYPlQPdndEB62BJJEgg | 14:29 |
| +BartJol | mm, there's a PB asset in there, maybe that should be purged | 14:30 |
| @preaction | BartJol: does the workflow instance id "qjHOGGdOUU56GNmJAYaPDQ" still exist in your database? | 14:33 |
| +BartJol | no | 14:35 |
| +BartJol | mysql> select * from WorkflowInstance where instanceId="qjHOGGdOUU56GNmJAYaPDQ"; | 14:35 |
| +BartJol | Empty set (0.01 sec) | 14:35 |
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| +BartJol | sorry, wrong db | 14:37 |
| +BartJol | confusing when you remove the site name\ | 14:38 |
| +BartJol | no it does not | 14:42 |
| +BartJol | even in the right db | 14:42 |
| +BartJol | sorry that it took some time preaction | 14:45 |
| @preaction | then they are getting deleted eventually. perhaps you need to set spectre to run through workflows more quickly? | 14:46 |
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| +BartJol | ok spectre settings: | 14:50 |
| +BartJol | "maxWorkers" : 4, | 14:50 |
| +BartJol | "timeBetweenRunningWorkflows" : 10, | 14:50 |
| +BartJol | "suspensionDelay" : 60, | 14:50 |
| +BartJol | "ignoreEnvProxy" : 0 | 14:50 |
| +BartJol | after consulting the administrator guide I set the timebetween workflows to 4 sec | 14:54 |
| +BartJol | now running spectre in debug mode | 14:56 |
| +BartJol | with this amount of workflow a setting of 2 seemed even better | 14:59 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9163 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 2 dirs): rfe 9198: Turn Survey Edit Section/Question/Answer fields into RTEs | 15:51 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: the amount of workflows seems to steadily decrease at a rate of 20-25 sites a minute | 16:35 |
| +BartJol | only 9 hours and it should be around 0 again... | 16:37 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | morning SDuensin | 18:05 |
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| elnino_laptop | hi. did the new gallery get released yet? or is that 7.6? | 18:10 |
| SDuensin | Hi elnino_laptop. Dunno that one. | 18:11 |
| +BartJol | isn't that even 7.5? | 18:13 |
| +BartJol | or will there be another gallery too? | 18:14 |
| elnino_laptop | it is. but I just saw this http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/roadmap, so I'll read up on when gallery 2.0 will be expected. | 18:18 |
| SDuensin | I'm gonna guess "when it's done". | 18:19 |
| elnino_laptop | yeah, I just saw this: "Also, please do not contact Plain Black about release dates for these features. We don't publish them, and we won't tell you if you ask." Even thought they did announce at wuc, I just don't remember what version they talked about. | 18:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9164 /translations/German/German/Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm: Update from translation server | 18:41 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, is there any reason that all the help modules are named "<something> variables"? | 18:55 |
| bernd_ | The word "variables" seems pretty superfluous to me. | 18:55 |
| bernd_ | I am thinking to get rid of it in the German translation. | 18:55 |
| bernd_ | What do you think? | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not following you bernd_. Can you give me 1 example? | 18:55 |
| bernd_ | I am talking about modules listed in the help overview. | 18:56 |
| bernd_ | Example: Matrix Main Template Variables | 18:56 |
| bernd_ | Isn't it all about variables? | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I see. At one point, there were other entries too. | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | then they got removed | 18:57 |
| bernd_ | Do you think there will be other entries, again? | 18:57 |
| SDuensin | Hey gang. | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so | 18:57 |
| bernd_ | Currently, it just makes names longer. | 18:57 |
| bernd_ | So, safe to remove it? | 18:57 |
| bernd_ | The same is probably true for "template". | 18:58 |
| jmarsden | bernd_: I made a test JEOS VM last night, and the webgui .deb works fine in it. See http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/poll-wre-utilities-as-a-distribution/14 | 18:59 |
| bernd_ | Cool! | 18:59 |
| bernd_ | I am thinking about creating an appliance based on JeOS. | 19:00 |
| * plainhao 's laptop fan is spinning out of control. | 19:00 | |
| bernd_ | That will be a good testing ground. | 19:00 |
| bernd_ | jmarsden, thanks for the good work! | 19:00 |
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| bernd_ | I am really happy about ubuntu packages being available now. | 19:00 |
| SDuensin | They are? Cool! | 19:00 |
| bernd_ | SDuensin, check the URL he just posted. | 19:00 |
| SDuensin | In a product, how do I get the keywords associated with it? I've looked over the code for product, sku, and asset and can't find it. | 19:01 |
| jmarsden | No problem. I also heard back from Ernesto in email, I found one minor bug in his packaging... we're talking -- hopefully we can work together to get the .deb officially into both Debian and Ubuntu | 19:01 |
| bernd_ | Even better! | 19:02 |
| bernd_ | I just read you have prepared an image already. | 19:02 |
| bernd_ | Ever tried to run with kvm? | 19:02 |
| bernd_ | I learned JeOS is optimized either for kvm or vmware. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, check the process method in Asset.pm | 19:03 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - checking! Thanks. | 19:03 |
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| @tavisto | plainhao, you know about the smcfan control app for mac right? It's pretty cool if you want to control your fan speed & cpu temp | 19:04 |
| jmarsden | bernd_: I don't have a CPU with the VM hardware (my desktop is an E5200), so no, I have not used KVM. I use virtualbox-ose mostly for VMs under Linux. | 19:04 |
| bernd_ | What is the best virtualization environment according to your experience? | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Dunno how I missed that. Thanks bud! | 19:05 |
| * SDuensin uses a LOT of VMware. | 19:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, you're welcome | 19:05 |
| SDuensin | For Linux-on-Linux, something like Xen is probably more efficient. But for general VMs (I even have a DOS one running), VMWare server is my favorite. | 19:06 |
| bernd_ | But vmware is not free, correct? | 19:06 |
| bernd_ | It is just the vmplayer. | 19:06 |
| jmarsden | It's all a matter of "best for what", I think. VMware is everywhere and runs under Windows as well, which is good for appliances intended as "try it and see" tools for newcomers. I need to go to work now (!), but hopefully will post info on creating the image with vmbuilder later -- then people can build an image using KVM or VMware or whatever they prefer | 19:06 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - rather than enter all those ring sizes by hand, I'm doing another script. :-) | 19:07 |
| jmarsden | VMware Server 2 is now no-cost. It is not free as it free software... | 19:07 |
| bernd_ | Great! | 19:07 |
| bernd_ | I am probably going to be your first tester! | 19:07 |
| bernd_ | Looking forward to it. | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Yep! I run VMWare Server 2.0 on my main server. That's all it does. Any actual services are in VMs. | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Makes upgrading easy. Build a bigger, faster machine - just copy the VMs over. | 19:07 |
| SDuensin | Anyway, BBIAB. | 19:08 |
| jmarsden | OK, sounds good. Nice to "meet" you folks here on IRC. I'm off to work... bye for now! | 19:08 |
| bernd_ | SDuensin, do you need an IP per guest? | 19:08 |
| bernd_ | Or is it possible to get around that. | 19:08 |
| bernd_ | ? | 19:08 |
| jmarsden | I suspect you could put each image on a Host-only "virtual network" inside the host machine and then route stuff port by port from the real LAN to different VMs... but I have not tried that; I just use bridged mode and one IP per VM here. | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's what this world needs, more bernd's | 19:16 |
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| bernd2 | Now we have two at least! | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and a young one in development | 19:16 |
| bernd2 | perlDreamer, can you kick bernd_, pleas? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I am without kick privileges | 19:16 |
| bernd2 | She is rather an Anke (her mother). | 19:16 |
| bernd2 | Hm, can I kick my former self myself? | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you have to be a channel op | 19:17 |
| bernd2 | :-( | 19:17 |
| * bernd2 hates wireless connections. | 19:18 | |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: could you please do a "slash kick bernd_" ? | 19:18 |
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| @tavisto | I'd rather do a slash kick perlDreamer | 19:18 |
| bernd2 | Thanks, rizen! | 19:18 |
| bernd2 | Was probably fun kicking me =) | 19:19 |
| @tavisto | and then a reverse roundhouse kick to finish him off.... like chuck norris | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I thought you'd prefer a hack slash punch perlDreamer | 19:19 |
| bernd2 | What about the "chop into pieces" part? | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | chopped perlDreamers are not good at fixing bugs | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but the bruised and bloody ones seem to get by | 19:20 |
| SDuensin | bernd2 - I use an IP per guest, yes. You can do different network types: Bridged, NAT, and Host Only... | 19:26 |
| bernd2 | Thanks. | 19:27 |
| SDuensin | Bridged is like a real PC. It gets it's own IP. | 19:27 |
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| bernd2 | I am going to try them all :-) | 19:27 |
| SDuensin | NAT shares the IP of the host, but is outbound only. | 19:27 |
| bernd2 | Is it difficult to get additional IPs for a root server? | 19:27 |
| SDuensin | Host Only assigns a private IP on a network only available to the host and the VM. | 19:27 |
| bernd2 | Talking about public ones. | 19:27 |
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| SDuensin | Depends on who the provider is. Most will allow you to purchase more if you can justify them. | 19:28 |
| bernd2 | For hosting of multiple webgui appliances on a single root server you would require an IP per appliance, correct? | 19:29 |
| SDuensin | Yep. | 19:29 |
| bernd2 | Good. Or rather bad. But now I know for sure. | 19:30 |
| bernd2 | Thanks. | 19:30 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 19:30 |
| SDuensin | Like I said, most places will sell you additional IPs (I think my second one is a whole dollar a month) if you can justify the need. | 19:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | bernd2: you can /nick your ghost | 19:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | in the future | 19:30 |
| bernd2 | Ah. I will try to remember! | 19:31 |
| bernd2 | Thanks. | 19:31 |
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| SDuensin | Man, it's killing me to add all these variants. Maybe I need to spend time on 'Plan B'. | 19:40 |
| deafferret | SDuensin: joining the circus? | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what is Plan B? | 19:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: What's plan B? | 19:47 |
| SDuensin | Add an optional "Size" field. | 19:48 |
| SDuensin | I can't have variant lists with 100+ items in them. Users are gonna freak out. | 19:49 |
| bernd2 | perlDreamer, helpvar_albums and helpvar_albums_rss in Asset_Gallery.pm show the same help text. | 20:00 |
| bernd2 | Is that a bug? | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you bet it is! | 20:00 |
| bernd2 | Ticket? | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | please | 20:01 |
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| bernd2 | perlDreamer, I am going to see Klaus in a few minutes. | 20:11 |
| bernd2 | Do you want me to say hello? | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Please do. | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9165 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Gallery.pm Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm): Update from translation server | 20:12 |
| bernd2 | Happy hacking until midnight! | 20:12 |
| SDuensin | The Cart isn't pluggable, eh? Hmm. | 20:12 |
| bernd2 | I am gone for today. | 20:12 |
| SDuensin | Later bernd2 | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | later, bernd2 | 20:12 |
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| * SDuensin just doesn't know where to stick this extra data. | 20:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | add it to the variant data, maybe? | 20:14 |
| * plainhao thanks tavisto for suggesting smcfan control, installed a similar pref pane earlier (fan control). | 20:15 | |
| * SDuensin will have to learn more before attempting that. | 20:18 | |
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| elnino | is the roadmap page on webgui.org still things to come or are some of those already released? | 20:56 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 21:14 | |
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| @rizen | For those of you who aren't aware, we have published the call for participation for WUC 2009. http://www.webgui.org/wuc/2009-call-for-participation | 21:51 |
| @rizen | Please sign up if you want to do a talk. | 21:52 |
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| elnino | how does one do the little asterix in the chat window like perlDreamer going to the gym? | 22:15 |
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| deafferret | /me goes to gym | 22:22 |
| deafferret | elnino: my client is irssi. I don't know what you're using. | 22:23 |
| elnino | xchat | 22:25 |
| deafferret | did you try typing "/me does something" ? | 22:27 |
| * elnino I'm back | 22:43 | |
| elnino | thanks deafferret! | 22:43 |
| deafferret | "/me is back" would have made more sense :) | 22:44 |
| elnino | I suppose.. | 22:44 |
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| elnino | in the database schema, in the asset table, what is the difference between lockedby and statechangedby? can the state change without being locked? | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | deleting or cutting to the clipboard change the state but don't lock the asset | 23:07 |
| elnino | ah, ok. thanks! | 23:07 |
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| * SDuensin has been AFK all frickin' day. | 00:26 | |
| SynQ | I'm looking for any australian person | 00:26 |
| SynQ | who has a phone number :) | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | Not I. Sorry. | 00:26 |
| SynQ | I kno | 00:26 |
| SynQ | know | 00:26 |
| SDuensin | Can I just willy-nilly add new fields to a product variant? Can the rest of the shopping system cope with that? | 00:27 |
| SynQ | I have no idea | 00:30 |
| SynQ | would you like to buy a box of 100 Goey dolls from me? | 00:31 |
| SynQ | :P | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: Isn't it 4:00am in Australia? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam will usually log in around 4:00pm or 5:00pm PST | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | which is 2.5 hours from now | 00:35 |
| SDuensin | So perlDreamer - screwing with the variant fields won't break the cart? Or am I starting a cascade of changes? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | just the first thing I thought of | 00:40 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 00:40 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:40 |
| SynQ | at which time I will be vast asleep | 00:41 |
| SDuensin | It opens a few cans of worms with the display, too, but for what I need, I can fake it. | 00:41 |
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| elnino_laptop | hi. We have a matrix on our site, and the security settings were set so only internal people can post new products, well, one come thru as spam. | 01:30 |
| elnino_laptop | so, couple questinos, | 01:30 |
| elnino_laptop | obviously new listings in a matrix are not version tagged, otherwise, it would have just been version tagsed, and second, was this security hole reported for 7.5.24? | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino_laptop, I have not seen any Matrix bugs in months, maybe years | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | The matrix was rewritten and upgraded for 7.6, however | 01:41 |
| elnino_laptop | ok, well this is defately a bug.. Security is ignored, 4 anonymous submissions were made on a matrix that only our marketing people should be able to. | 01:41 |
| elnino_laptop | i'm writting up a bug report now. | 01:42 |
| elnino_laptop | so.. is there a way to set up the approval system to be enforced when the version tag is committed by others than in a particular group? these went right thru because marketing disabled the approval system. | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, that would take a custom workflow | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and, as you noted, matrix listings are not versioned | 01:51 |
| * perlDreamer sends elnino_laptop a big stick to hit the marketing people with | 01:52 | |
| elnino_laptop | but that's funny, because as far as I can tell, the submission had committed version tags. | 01:52 |
| elnino_laptop | * be glad to | 01:52 |
| * elnino_laptop be glad to | 01:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | there's a moderation system to it, it looks like | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's no version control | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | listings can be approved or disproved by a group | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that's from a very, very quick read through on the code | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | editListingSave | 01:56 |
| elnino_laptop | well, yea, that was what was verion taged, the CS system that was created by the new listing. I guess I misspoke. The actual *listing* wasn't version tagged which I find to be interesting. | 01:57 |
| * elnino_laptop is curious about that decision. | 01:57 | |
| elnino_laptop | oh well | 01:57 |
| elnino_laptop | I recommendd that the matrix be taken down for now. =) | 01:58 |
| elnino_laptop | s/recommendd/recommended | 01:58 |
| elnino_laptop | and I'll revisit (your's) wuc discussion on workflows, it was too much for my brain at that time of the day if I remember... | 01:58 |
| elnino_laptop | I think it was yours... | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it was probably rizen, or preaction | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but they're not much harder than macros, really | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | they can either be very complex, or very simple | 02:01 |
| elnino_laptop | it was preaction.. I get your handles mixed up. | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's easy to tell us apart, he's the good looking one with the tie | 02:02 |
| elnino_laptop | =) maybe I should teach a class on workflows so I stop ignoring them.. | 02:03 |
| elnino_laptop | however, we're expecting to have a new baby in July, so, not quite sure if that would be too smart on my part.l | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | congratulations! | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope that this new baby is being easy on you? | 02:05 |
| elnino_laptop | Thanks! I've never annouced anything so publicly before... =) | 02:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | congrats elnino :) | 02:05 |
| elnino_laptop | hopefully, but the first was the easy one, and everyone says the second is going to be just the opposite. | 02:05 |
| elnino_laptop | So we're in BIG trouble. | 02:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 02:05 |
| elnino_laptop | Thanks Radix-wrk | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | well, with our boys Kathy was sicker than a dog for 8 months | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so the trend can be broken! | 02:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | my sister is going to have her second around the same time actually | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to throw a virtual baby shower or something | 02:06 |
| elnino_laptop | actually, health wise, pregancies are easy on me.. | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of internet stuff does a baby need these days? | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | mp3 player | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Webkin? | 02:07 |
| elnino_laptop | I dont' know how that would work, but that could be fun. | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | cordless mouse | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | baby gear from Thinkgeek | 02:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9166 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): | 02:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: many bug fixes | 02:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: lots of improvements to dns management | 02:08 |
| elnino_laptop | that's my boss's favorite place to shop. | 02:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | get them a chumby | 02:08 |
| * elnino_laptop now has to look at what a chumby is. | 02:10 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: any releases today? | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | which branch? | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | doing it right now | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | 7.5 | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll hold off on this commit then | 02:10 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer could you check your email and make sure you got something about automat? | 02:10 |
| elnino_laptop | eek.. I can't get rid of the listing on the matrix....I rolled back the CS versoin tags, that probably screwed it up. grr. | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: got two | 02:11 |
| @rizen | excellent, you should have gotten 2 | 02:11 |
| @rizen | thanks | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | although, I'm not allowed to work on WebGUI anymore | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I was fired by Vrby | 02:11 |
| @rizen | oh yeah? | 02:11 |
| @rizen | why is that? | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | for being 5 months late turning in conference slides | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | make that 7 months | 02:12 |
| @rizen | hehe | 02:12 |
| @rizen | you'll just have to turn your next set in 7 months early | 02:12 |
| @rizen | and then all will be right with the world | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | There's a next WUC in my future? | 02:12 |
| @rizen | isn't there? | 02:12 |
| +Radix-wrk | elnino: chumby.com funnily enough - but essentially it's a mini linux computer with touch screen, soft padded sides and an accelerometer - it's very hackable and you could do some cool stuff for kids on it. | 02:12 |
| * perlDreamer is out of ideas, and I can't enough new bad code to talk about for Game Show, the Sequel | 02:13 | |
| @rizen | would you like for me to come up with a few ideas that might inspire you? | 02:13 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9167 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/ (Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/comment.t Session/DateTime.t): fixing tests for new strings | 04:01 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9168 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.38 release | 04:01 |
| -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.5.38-stable | 7.6.7-beta | WRE 0.8.5 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | 04:20 | |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9169 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.37-7.5.38.pl: fix upgrade script | 04:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9170 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.38-stable: Release 7.5.38-stable | 04:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9171 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.39 dev | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | time to commit | 04:27 |
| jmarsden|work | Did the fix re. licence info for that one last file Ernesto was hopng for get into 7.5.38 ? | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | which file was that, jmarsden|work? | 04:39 |
| jmarsden|work | I forget; in July there were 4, days ago he said ther was one more 3rd party file he needed a licence info change for for full Debian approval as being free software | 04:40 |
| jmarsden|work | I'll grab the new tarball later tonight and see if I can find anything about it in the changelog. | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | there was a license change in 7.5.31, but that was many weeks ago | 04:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's unrelated | 04:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9172 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the i18n for Gallery RSS album RSS template variable loop. | 04:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9173 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Forward port i18n fix for Gallery Album RSS list. | 04:51 |
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| jmarsden | Why do the upgrade_*.pl scripts in docs/upgrades/ all lack an initial #!/usr/bin/perl line? Is there any way a patch to fix this would be accepted into the official WebGUI source code? | 08:01 |
| jmarsden | Ernesto patches them all in his Debian package, but it would seem productive to get that change into the "upstream" sources. | 08:02 |
| @preaction | jmarsden: they don't need one as they should not be run by themselves | 08:02 |
| jmarsden | Maybe, but without an indicator like that you can't as easily tell that they are Perl scripts , for instance using file to determine which files in the tree are Perl and counting lines of code, or whatever... they may not "need" such a line, but it would be cleaner if they had one, wouldn't it? | 08:04 |
| @preaction | it would get accepted, but i would think that /usr/bin/env perl would be best | 08:05 |
| @preaction | perhaps asking the dev mailing list would be best | 08:05 |
| jmarsden | OK, thanks. | 08:06 |
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| WebGUI | hmm | 09:08 |
| WebGUI | no patspam | 09:08 |
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| bernd_ | Uh, plain black midnight session? | 10:09 |
| bernd_ | Good morning everyone! | 10:09 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r9174 /experimental/ (28 files in 5 dirs): The new graphing system initial import. | 18:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r9175 /experimental/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Move the ChartMagick stuff to the right directory as was the plan all along... | 18:34 |
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| juan | in the Collaboration System, mail tab, can i configure a gmail account? | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | does gmail feature pop3? | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, what is ChartMagick? | 18:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | I am recreating the the graphing system in webgui agnostic modules that will be placed on CPAN | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | and webgui will be using it | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | and whe i say recreating i also mean making it better | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i chceked out some of the available charting systems on cpan | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i tried to make mine better than them | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's not finished yet | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's going good | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, for you that will be no problem | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, uber-European hacker | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if you like, please chcek it out | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have tests? | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the scripts directory there are a number of test scripts | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | no tests yet | 18:59 |
| juan | MrHairgrease, gmail uses pop | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | the files in the scripts directory render charts for you | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | most of em to out.png | 19:00 |
| juan | but it uses a different port | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway if you have the time, please let me know how you like th api | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ther's no pod yet, but you should be able to figure it out pretty easily from the test scripts | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | juan: i dunno if i can work if gmail uses a non-standard port | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | i can try to find out though | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | juan: from the code it seems that you could try to stick the port number onto the url | 19:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if gmail has pop on pop3.gmail.com on port 8799 | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | try to use pop3.gmail.com:8799 | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise I don't think it'll work | 19:05 |
| juan | ok, i am going to try | 19:10 |
| juan | thanks | 19:10 |
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| * danny_mk went to feed the canaries | 19:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | just how many canaries do you own? | 19:52 |
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| * danny_mk back from feeding and watering the canaries | 20:19 | |
| danny_mk | I have about 90+ | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | does that cause a problem with disposal, or do you have a nitrate business on the side? | 20:31 |
| danny_mk | LOL, no, just throw the stuff in the trash. It is not as much as you would think. during the worst year if would probably be the same as a couple of weeks of human disposal :-) | 20:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | quiet today? | 22:34 |
| * bernd_ is drinking a cup of chai latte and enjoying the silence. | 22:35 | |
| * danny_mk is relaxing after having too much to eat. | 22:37 | |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9176 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Wobject.pm Asset_Gallery.pm): Update from translation server | 22:58 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, bernd_? | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I just got back from running. You have excellent timing. | 23:24 |
| bernd_ | One moment, please. I am brushing my teeth :-) | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | np | 23:24 |
| bernd_ | Ok, back again! | 23:25 |
| bernd_ | I have a quiz for you: | 23:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9179 /translations/German/German/Asset_Gallery.pm: Update from translation server | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | If you have an image in print quality (300 dpi) and screen quality (72 dpi), | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | what's the approximate size ratio then? | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer? | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure, bernd_ | 23:27 |
| bernd_ | It says 3-fold in the docs. | 23:27 |
| bernd_ | But imo it should be 10-fold. | 23:28 |
| bernd_ | Or am I wrong here? | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | 300/72 =~ 4 | 23:28 |
| bernd_ | 16-fold in that case. | 23:28 |
| bernd_ | I am referring to the "maxSpacePerUser description" key in Asset_Gallery.pm | 23:29 |
| bernd_ | Ticket? | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | let me read the docs for that | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought that referred to disk space | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | which is loosely correlated to dpi | 23:29 |
| bernd_ | Ah no, wrong key actually. | 23:29 |
| bernd_ | I have to check again. | 23:30 |
| bernd_ | It is "imageDensity description", in fact. | 23:30 |
| bernd_ | Should be changed to 16-fold, do you agree? | 23:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think that is an approximate number | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | and 16 fold would refer to the size, not the resolution? | 23:32 |
| bernd_ | But it says "The density of the image. Print-quality images are more than three times the size of web-quality images." | 23:32 |
| bernd_ | Maybe it should be "... three times the resolution ..." | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | unless, due to compression, the relation is not linear | 23:33 |
| bernd_ | If we changed it to resolution it would be always true. | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:34 |
| bernd_ | Ticket? | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Please! | 23:34 |
| bernd_ | Almost done. Thanks for your time! | 23:35 |
| bernd_ | Have a good night! | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Good night, bernd_! | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk: any thoughts about this: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/CSuWYwoOSn8/article.pl | 23:45 |
| danny_mk | yeah! Usage is low because people don't understand what it does and your average user will not bother with learning new technology (even simple solutions) | 23:47 |
| danny_mk | The fact that facebook, yahoo, aol, myspace, etc... are using it should increase acceptance and usuage | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | so really, this is just anti-OpenID, inflammatory flamebait | 23:49 |
| danny_mk | I would think so :-) | 23:49 |
| danny_mk | think about it, do you really want to keep track of all your login and passwords to every system/network/etc... you have created? | 23:50 |
| danny_mk | I have actually adapted it at work and acceptance was great | 23:51 |
| danny_mk | Have you tried it yet? | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't ever needed it | 23:52 |
| danny_mk | Give me a few min of your time and I will show you what it does | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I understand the basic concepts | 23:54 |
| danny_mk | Do you have a few min? | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, unless I get an IM ping back :) | 23:54 |
| danny_mk | Do you have a yahoo, aol, myspace, facebook, google account? | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a google account | 23:55 |
| danny_mk | alright, point your browser to openid.dbash.com | 23:56 |
| danny_mk | Click on: If you would like to try it out sign in here! Sign In | 23:56 |
| danny_mk | and use your google account to signup | 23:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | seems slow | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | still loading after the google authorization request | 00:00 |
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| danny_mk | sure, my network connection is slow as hell | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, got the auth email, hit the link and logged in | 00:03 |
| danny_mk | I am looking at upgrading my cable modem service to a business | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's no way to tell if I'm logged in or not | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | how would I tell the difference? | 00:03 |
| danny_mk | you don't see a difference, the account link in the middle of the page? | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | what is my OpenId identifier? | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | just the email address? | 00:04 |
| danny_mk | give me a sec | 00:04 |
| danny_mk | You don't see a message like this one: Welcome Daniel M you have succesfully logged into this site using your OpenId account. | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the openId identifier? | 00:09 |
| danny_mk | OK, I can see that you did create an account. and that your account is active | 00:09 |
| danny_mk | The openid identifier is a unique identifier that identifies you on the web. | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | how do I know what mine is? | 00:10 |
| danny_mk | It seems that you created and activated your account but did not login | 00:11 |
| danny_mk | click on the link again and login and you will see your identifier under your account settings | 00:11 |
| danny_mk | I don't want to post it here | 00:11 |
| danny_mk | not that it matters anyway | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem with that is that I don't now how to login | 00:11 |
| danny_mk | click the link that you used to create the account! | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | ah now I'm logged in | 00:13 |
| danny_mk | yes, steps are to create->activate/verify->login | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | how do I log out? | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | or access my profile? | 00:13 |
| danny_mk | look in the middle of the page, you have the: Hello Daniel M. Click here to log out. My Account links | 00:15 |
| danny_mk | well. it will show you your settings :-) | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I can safely change the username from the megastring to something else? | 00:16 |
| danny_mk | Yes | 00:16 |
| danny_mk | It all works the same as Auth::WebGUI | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | from a usability standpoint, I'd ask the user for a username during the create process | 00:16 |
| danny_mk | I did, you missed it! :-P | 00:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm a very bad user | 00:18 |
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| danny_mk | LOL | 00:18 |
| danny_mk | Maybe I should have some bells, whistles and lighting... | 00:19 |
| danny_mk | Usernames can get pretty long because of the OpenId identity | 00:19 |
| danny_mk | did you notice yours? | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, it's much longer than I would remember. | 00:26 |
| danny_mk | You don't have to remember it. I set my yahoo one to be https://me.yahoo.com/danny_mk | 00:27 |
| danny_mk | you can probably set your google one to something like https://me.google.com/perlDreamer | 00:28 |
| danny_mk | You have to login to your google account and change it just like I did my yahoo one | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | Maybe I'll tinker with it later | 00:28 |
| danny_mk | OK | 00:29 |
| Lisette | if i have a payDriver, how to do to get something of the definition by code? | 00:36 |
| daviddelikat | so I've been working on this stray character in Syndicated Content... I can't quite figure out where the character is coming from, but I can get rid of it. is that an acceptable solution? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | if the user can enter it, we have to deal with it | 00:40 |
| daviddelikat | that is the problem, I can't enter it... even if I try to paste it in it doesn't go wrong. | 00:41 |
| daviddelikat | the only one who can make it happen is kristi | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | kristi is all powerful | 00:42 |
| daviddelikat | the other thing is that it only shows up in certain places. | 00:43 |
| daviddelikat | the character is there the whole time, but gets ignored by the browser I think | 00:43 |
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| Lisette | how to do to instace a object and get a value of your definition. | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, did Koen get a hold of you yesterday? | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | he was looking for you | 02:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | koen was looking for me too | 02:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | must be an aussie thing | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | he _did_ say he was looking for an aussie with a phone number | 02:53 |
| @rizen | i've got a crazy question | 02:53 |
| @rizen | let's say i want to control physical door access from webgui | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 02:54 |
| @rizen | let me back up a sec | 02:54 |
| @rizen | let's say i have an office space somewhere | 02:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | access to data centre only via website? | 02:54 |
| @rizen | and i want to put a keyless entry system on that office | 02:54 |
| @rizen | and i wanted people to be able to go to a webgui site and "checkout" the office | 02:54 |
| @rizen | at which point webgui would give them a code | 02:54 |
| @rizen | and then they could go to the door | 02:55 |
| @rizen | type in the code | 02:55 |
| @rizen | and get access | 02:55 |
| @rizen | there would likely also be a workflow triggered that would remove the code from the door after a certain period of time | 02:55 |
| @rizen | the webgui programming part i can do no problem | 02:55 |
| ascii | well, i blame kal and jordon. | 02:55 |
| @rizen | the internet connected door hardware is the problem | 02:55 |
| @rizen | where would i find such a beast | 02:56 |
| @rizen | it has to exist | 02:56 |
| ascii | erp | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, possibly not | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | connecting things to the internet is not known to increase their security | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | instead, look for electronically controlled doors, and we can figure out the glue | 02:57 |
| @rizen | ok well if i can even connect it to ethernet | 02:57 |
| @rizen | i can then write a server that runs on site | 02:57 |
| @rizen | which webgui can connect to over ssh | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | offhand, I'd drive it off a small USB module that talks to a 9000 series PIC brick and some HV interface | 02:57 |
| @rizen | well i found this: http://www.keyless.com/K1SeriesStandAlone.htm | 02:57 |
| @rizen | but it says you have to connect at 9600 baud over a terminal | 02:57 |
| @rizen | so i'm guessing it might work | 02:58 |
| @rizen | via an rs232 cable | 02:58 |
| @rizen | or something | 02:58 |
| jmarsden|work | Sure, just put a mini-itx box with a serial port near it and hook that to the door hardware via serial and to the LAN via Cat5. | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | if it works over rs232, you should be in business | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | this manual shows how to connect: http://www.keyless.com/PDF/K1ERM1105.pdf | 02:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.salto.us/ | 02:59 |
| @rizen | that looks promising Radix-wrk | 03:01 |
| @rizen | crap, it requires a card to enter though | 03:02 |
| @rizen | since this can be virtually anybody, it needs to be a keypad | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a CPAN module for doing serial port programming, but you can also do it via perl builtins and POSIX | 03:02 |
| jmarsden|work | Device::SerialPort -- see http://search.cpan.org/~cook/Device-SerialPort-1.04/SerialPort.pm | 03:03 |
| @rizen | that is just too cool | 03:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | wonder if X10 do anything like that | 03:04 |
| jmarsden|work | Ugh. X10 is for home use stuff, I wouldn't use it in an office or factory environment. | 03:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | true | 03:05 |
| * jmarsden|work wrote Perl code to talk over serial lines to Vacuum pumps and monitors at a football-field size proton accelerator (medical facility) a few years ago... and it still works :) | 03:06 | |
| @rizen | nice jmarsden|work | 03:07 |
| jmarsden|work | It was fun... the serial stuff went to Portmaster boxes that had ethernet... and then nagios could monitor all this stuff and page the duty techs if the vacuum got too poor, or if a pump overheated, etc. | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | is the webgui empire down right now? | 03:12 |
| @rizen | it stops responding for about 10 minutes at around 7pm every day | 03:13 |
| @rizen | working on a fix for that | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, WebGUI is smart enough to know that 7:00pm CST is 5:00pm PST, when everyone in the US stops working. So it steps outside for a quick break. | 03:17 |
| @rizen | that's why it is that time | 03:17 |
| @rizen | =) | 03:17 |
| @rizen | methinks i need to call a locksmith or security company and see what they have for products | 03:23 |
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| jmarsden|work | rizen: Read around on the web first... places like http://www.sdcsecurity.com/ may help? | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: have you been to the mailbox lately? | 03:50 |
| @rizen | not this week | 03:50 |
| @rizen | will be going tomorrow or friday at the latest | 03:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's probably worth your time to stop by there | 03:50 |
| @rizen | if i received a package i would have gotten an email about it | 03:51 |
| +perlDreamer | hint hint wink wink nudge nudge you know you know | 03:51 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9183 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/ (answer.js question.html section.js question.js): Deleted unused js files | 05:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9184 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: | 05:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Removed SimpleEditor title, improved handling of editor window when it | 05:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: is bigger than viewable screen | 05:20 |
| daviddelikat | so what version of WebGUI is running on www.webgui.org? | 05:57 |
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| elnino | usually the latest and greatest. | 06:57 |
| elnino | but don't take my word. | 06:57 |
| jmarsden | elnino: Sadly, running HEAD http://www.webgui.org doesn't tell us, they have Apache running with less than ServerTokens Full, it seems. | 07:06 |
| elnino | ah!! but you gave me an idea... looking at the source, <meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.6.7" /> | 07:07 |
| elnino | so my answer is 7.6.7 | 07:07 |
| elnino | =) | 07:07 |
| elnino | but it was daviddelidat that asked, but apparently he signed off. | 07:08 |
| jmarsden | Yes. Well, we learned something, even if he didn't ;) | 07:09 |
| elnino | yep! =) | 07:09 |
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| elnino | would there be anyreason to ave a template have a template child? | 07:32 |
| elnino | s/ave/have | 07:32 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9185 /branch/survey-rfe/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 08:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Combined the folllowing RFE packages into a single Survey folder | 08:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: package: | 08:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: rfe-9202 | 08:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * Default Answer Edit | 08:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * Default Survey Edit | 08:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * Default Answer Edit | 08:50 |
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| +BartJol | mmm releases of WebGUI are shown quite randomly on this dutch site | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | http://tweakers.net/meuktracker/19275/webgui-7538.html | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | 35 people, isn't that some kind of a record? | 18:41 |
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| SynQ | I'd rather do a quality record | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I'll have to leave then | 18:42 |
| SynQ | hehe | 18:42 |
| SynQ | no you don't | 18:42 |
| SynQ | social quality | 18:42 |
| SynQ | so all people just sitting here saying nothing should go ;) | 18:42 |
| @bopbop | perldreamer: I figured out that the 100th day of school isn't until February, so that explains the postcard vacuum | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | phew :) | 18:44 |
| @bopbop | I know | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | postcard vacuum? | 18:45 |
| @bopbop | didn't want you to lose any more sleep:) | 18:45 |
| @bopbop | bartjol: pd and others sent some postcards to my son for a school project, but it was a long time ago | 18:45 |
| @bopbop | pd had asked about it a few times | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | SynQ: was that meant for me? | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | ha | 18:46 |
| SynQ | bart: who fit's the shoe puts it on | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | but as a shoemaker I rather stay with my least | 18:46 |
| SynQ | kristy: our card is still coming :) | 18:47 |
| @bopbop | thank you SynQ! | 18:47 |
| SynQ | pardon the y | 18:47 |
| SynQ | :) | 18:47 |
| @bopbop | np | 18:47 |
| +BartJol | I'm no failurehair SynQ | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | failure hair? | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | is that a Dutch phrase? | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | yeah faalhaas | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I like it! | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | well it actually shoulde be hare | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | like a bunny like animal, but then different | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | failure hair is much funnier in English | 18:50 |
| @bopbop | I pictured a balding Bart | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I see some guy with a really bad toupe' | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | or the combover with 3 strands of hair | 18:50 |
| +BartJol | or tavisto's metro style | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | or with a can of that spray paint stuff | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto has an aura about him | 18:51 |
| SynQ | actually | 18:51 |
| SynQ | it's failurehare then | 18:51 |
| SynQ | the hare that fails | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | indeed | 18:51 |
| SynQ | oh | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | as in, the turtle and hare?... is that the reference | 18:51 |
| SynQ | I have to go for dinner | 18:52 |
| SynQ | be back later | 18:52 |
| SynQ | ~ | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | mmm maybe we should organise a Dutchism presentation at the WUC | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | any fans? | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd come | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | more an after session thing | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | shouldn't be a problem just record everything Martin says in englisg | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | he's a natural | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if there's failure hair, what does that make MrHairgrease? | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Uberhaar? | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | haargraas | 18:58 |
| +BartJol | like cows eat grass, but then hair istead of grass | 18:58 |
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| elnino | Hi. Trying to figure out the photo gallary... It seems that the way it is setup, you have gallery with multiple albums. well, we're only going to have one album, and have it display in the thumbnail view on the page..Similar to amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Little-People-Christmas-Story-Nativity/dp/B000067R86/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1231257300&sr=8-1 Is there a cool way to do this? | 22:27 |
| elnino | hmm. It looks like in the asset manager, I can cut the album out from underneath the gallary and paste it independantly on to a page (severed from the gallary), but when viewing the page, it displays NOTHING.so something is spitting out bad html... =( | 22:32 |
| @preaction | elnino: you shouldnt be doing that | 22:33 |
| elnino | =( | 22:33 |
| elnino | I put it back.. | 22:33 |
| elnino | how do I just get the album? | 22:34 |
| @preaction | elnino: check the Display tab of the Gallery edit screen, you can display just one album right away | 22:34 |
| elnino | right, but the customer has to click on the album (and leave our product page) to get to what I would like to mimick on amazon. | 22:34 |
| elnino | maybe I should do it the old fashion way with the CS asset.... | 22:35 |
| @preaction | elnino: did you check the display tab yet? the part that says Display Mode. choose the option that says Single Album | 22:35 |
| elnino | Yes ((I had already set the gallary to show one album.) - maybe it's a bug in 7.5.24 | 22:36 |
| @preaction | did you select which album it should display? | 22:37 |
| elnino | well, I tried, but the [select] never became a link for me to click on to select it. - but let me try "typing it" =) | 22:40 |
| @preaction | pretty sure you can't type it | 22:41 |
| elnino | oh.. I see... hold on. | 22:42 |
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| elnino | ok... now is there a way for the album to default to thumbview (like amazon?) | 22:46 |
| elnino | when I edit the album, I just get title, description, and choose the thumbnail to represent the album. I don't see a "properties tab type" page. | 22:47 |
| elnino | and nothing obvious under the gallery's settings. | 22:47 |
| @preaction | no, there isn't a way to do that yet | 22:47 |
| elnino | ok. At least I didn't miss it somewhere... | 22:48 |
| elnino | ok,... so when in thumbnail mode, I get the "enlarged" version both from hovering and clicking - which template would be used to modify that behavior? | 22:50 |
| @preaction | the thumbnails template | 22:51 |
| @preaction | Default Album View Thumbnails i think | 22:51 |
| elnino | ok. | 22:51 |
| elnino | and by the way, when in "single album" mode the admin's controls only link to the album, the only way to get to the gallery settings it to go back intot he asset manager. Has that been reported/fixed? This 7.5.24 seems to be one of the eariler versions of this asset.... | 22:52 |
| @preaction | i'm not sure that's a bug really | 22:52 |
| elnino | I'm viewing the page that the gallary is on, so the edit button should edit the gallery, there is already a separate link to edit the album. | 22:54 |
| elnino | I supose it's consistant with the rest of the buttons and the icon used, but if the page contains the gallery which contains the album, I would think that the admincontrols would be for the gallery | 22:56 |
| elnino | when viwing the apge. | 22:56 |
| elnino | oh geez. when viewing the page. | 22:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisett1, about your question yesterday. The definition subroutine is a class method, and it returns a data structure. | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | You can find examples of how to use it inside Asset.pm | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | just look for ->definition | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHaargraas, long time no see | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey Pd, you must be talking to my Swedish cousin | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I was talking with BartJol | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | he was teaching us some Dutch | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah i see | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | today's lesson was faalhaar | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | faalhaar or faalhaas | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | at first, he said it was failure hair | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | then failure hare | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | faalhaar | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no, faalhaas | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | the former would certainly translate as faalhaar | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | the latter indeed is the much more common word faalhaas | 00:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | and with common i mean, used by academia | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol is academia. Cool | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | and with academia i mean boozed out frat boys =) | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | talking of which... | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | where does the phrase come from? | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | what phrase? | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | faalhaas | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe it's on wikipedia | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | perhaps, but I would have problems reading the dutch article on it | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | wikipedia lists it under military slang | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | the word refers to a person who is sucking bad | 00:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in the sense of failing so to say | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you can call someone a faler (=failer) | 00:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | in english, it sounds like "fall haws" or "fale hase"? | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | but faalhaas has a better ring to it | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | neither | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | both aa's are long sounds | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | fallhaws would be the most correct of the two, but it's still wrong =) | 00:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | you've been in germany right? | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | know the river Aare? | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | the aa's a pronounced the same | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have Kathy coach me on it | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | done anything in the submicron scale lately? | 00:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | i work two days a week for mapper lithogrphy | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | doing cleanroom stuff | 00:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | www.mapperlithography.com | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | very cool | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | maskless semiconductors | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | maskless lithography | 00:19 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I worked with people who made masks by hand. | 00:19 |
| SynQ | if it refairs to the military | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but they were kind of older | 00:19 |
| SynQ | it has to do with sand hare | 00:19 |
| SynQ | which is a term for 'soldier' | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | late 40's/early 50's of age | 00:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | what happened? They run out of hands to make masks from? | 00:20 |
| SynQ | a 'sandhare' is a soldier who digs itself into a shootingpit (schuttersputje) | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | no, they came out with this computer thingy that would do it for you | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | A Calma Station | 00:20 |
| SynQ | and therefore resebles a hare | 00:20 |
| SynQ | and a failhare is a sandhare that has failed to do it right | 00:20 |
| SynQ | and thus gets shot | 00:20 |
| SynQ | I presume | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, then also called a dead hare? | 00:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | good thing, i guess no the maskfabs are a lot less bloody =) | 00:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | wow | 00:21 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: probably yes | 00:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | if procolix fails you can alwys become an etymologist koen! | 00:22 |
| SynQ | procolix will never fail | 00:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | i certainly hope so | 00:23 |
| SynQ | since that is as unlikely as JT admitting being wrong on using perl instead of php | 00:23 |
| @tavisto | OQAPI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 00:23 |
| SynQ | hehe | 00:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it isn't my favorite tavis! | 00:24 |
| SynQ | tavis: do you have a cheerleader permit? | 00:24 |
| SynQ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHb-KsC_ik | 00:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | I now he has a tutu | 00:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | tavisto: nice pbwg interview btw | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | and a good thing the allegations aren't false =) | 00:25 |
| @tavisto | hey SynQ, if you get me a hoodie then I'll wear it around screaming Procolix too | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | procolix has to many syllables to be shoutable | 00:26 |
| SynQ | tavis: what if I get you a bandana? | 00:26 |
| @rizen | i was wrong to use Perl | 00:27 |
| @rizen | PHP rules | 00:27 |
| @rizen | especially PHP4 | 00:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | it sure does | 00:27 |
| @rizen | it's my favorite | 00:27 |
| * MrHairgrease cues webphooey | 00:27 | |
| * rizen runs to boil himself in oil to get the bad PHP germs off him | 00:27 | |
| @tavisto | SynQ I dunno about bandanas... people who wear em are either in a gang or are pirates.. I'm neither | 00:28 |
| SynQ | top heads then | 00:29 |
| SynQ | olive oil? | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | those are usually undertaers | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | undertakers* | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | olive oil might be just right =) | 00:29 |
| @rizen | i have a picture of tavisto wearing a bandana | 00:30 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:30 |
| SynQ | so he is in a gang? | 00:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | a prirate gang | 00:30 |
| SynQ | TGBW | 00:30 |
| @rizen | i think it's a metrosexual gang | 00:30 |
| SynQ | The Gang Behing WebGUI | 00:30 |
| SynQ | behind | 00:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: it must be | 00:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise the allegations would be false, which they aren't | 00:31 |
| @rizen | i still want to see BartJol's cartoon about Metrosexual Man | 00:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | you never seen it? | 00:31 |
| @rizen | starring tavisto | 00:31 |
| @rizen | nope | 00:31 |
| SynQ | rizen: it's probably somewhere on www.bartjol.nl | 00:31 |
| @rizen | Sarah told me about it | 00:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe i have it somewhere in my mail | 00:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 00:32 |
| SynQ | JT: can you finish WRE 1.0 64bit tomorrow? | 00:32 |
| SynQ | we need it :P | 00:32 |
| @rizen | sorry no | 00:33 |
| SynQ | damn | 00:33 |
| @rizen | i'm working on specs for 7.7 | 00:33 |
| @rizen | then i can work on WRE 1.0 again | 00:33 |
| SynQ | ok | 00:33 |
| SynQ | too bad then | 00:33 |
| @rizen | sorry man | 00:33 |
| @rizen | it will be in your hands sometime in february | 00:33 |
| @rizen | might be january but i doubt it | 00:34 |
| SynQ | It would be a nice present for my babies website ;) | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Has the baby come out, then? | 00:35 |
| SynQ | not yeat | 00:35 |
| SynQ | yet | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | You know, Muhammad Ali was born on January 17th | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be a good day to be born | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | can she hold it for 8 more days? | 00:37 |
| SynQ | I want it to be born the 21st | 00:37 |
| SynQ | 21 - 1 - 2009 | 00:37 |
| SynQ | 211 200 9 | 00:37 |
| @tavisto | hah, that's right... my character in Rizen's game.. Merc, I'm a badarse in that | 00:38 |
| @tavisto | and I am wearing a bandana | 00:38 |
| @tavisto | and camo. | 00:38 |
| @rizen | we all know that Koen is the real badass in that game | 00:38 |
| SynQ | hehe | 00:39 |
| SynQ | that is a good thought to end the day with | 00:40 |
| SynQ | I'm going to sleep | 00:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | soory, can't find the file | 00:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll ask bart tomorrow | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen, we had 40 people in here today | 00:51 |
| @rizen | the numbers have been up | 00:51 |
| @rizen | i was blown away when i saw 35 yesterday | 00:52 |
| @rizen | cuz the highest i remember was 30 | 00:52 |
| @rizen | 40 today | 00:52 |
| @rizen | 1 billion tomorrow | 00:52 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:52 |
| @rizen | then again, i'm easy to surprise, cuz i don't often look at the user count | 00:53 |
| @tavisto | yeah it's really jumped in the last 2 months or so | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | anyone here heard of Selenium? | 01:26 |
| @preaction | http://seleniumhq.org/ | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been wanting to play with that for a while, but am lacking in tuits | 01:27 |
| @preaction | long story short: uses web browser engine to perform automated testing of website from the frontend | 01:27 |
| @preaction | http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=720018 <- here's one | 01:28 |
| @preaction | hm... doesn't seem like much of a tutorial really | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think we could use Selenium for automation, as well as testing | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | FF already lets you record sequences of tasks to do over and over again | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Selenium is really just a way to do that with flow control | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, it works on lots of browsers | 01:38 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: ping | 04:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9186 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Gracefully handle Survey question with no answers | 05:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: pong | 06:03 |
| patspam | heya | 06:04 |
| patspam | just had a request from someone building a large survey for the ability to preview what sections will look like | 06:05 |
| patspam | because when the survey is large it's a pain to click your way through to the point you want to look at | 06:05 |
| patspam | i was thinking of adding a "preview" link in the Edit Survey dialog that simulates what a Section or Question will look like | 06:05 |
| patspam | what do you think? | 06:06 |
| patspam | alternatively, a "take survey from this point" link that created a response to make survey think you were up to that point would work too | 06:06 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9187 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: | 06:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Handle Survey qs without answers even more gracefully (e.g. by not | 06:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: breaking) | 06:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: hmm, the preview link seems the better solution, yet obviously more difficult. | 06:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If the preview was just showing a single page, and you gave it which question you wanted to start from in that section, it should be fairly easy and straightforward. | 06:43 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9188 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added "Preview" button for survey builders | 09:21 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9189 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (editsurvey.js editsurvey/object.js): Refactored editsurvey js | 09:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9190 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content corrupts wide characters | 12:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9191 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/comment.t: fixing photo comment test | 12:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9192 /WebGUI/www/uploads/ (628 files in 302 dirs): convert to new storage format | 12:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9193 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.8 release | 12:52 |
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| juan | i have some sites in WG 7.4.40, can i upgrade them directly to 7.5.38? | 15:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | have you read gotch.txt? | 15:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, folks | 18:11 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | you were a busy guy last night, Haarg | 18:13 |
| bernd_ | Morning everyone :-) | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | i have a cold and wasn't sleeping well | 18:13 |
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| @Haarg | kind of odd with that syndicated content wide char bug | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I know | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | If I'd had spectre running, I suspect that I would never have seen it | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | since it would have fetched new content right away | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | i knew there was a problem with wide characters and had assumed the bug was about that without even reading it | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | but it turned out to be a separate issue | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I should read the patch and learn | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | one thing that isn't in the changelog that really should have been | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I went through all 247 templates for i18n | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't have a way of verifying, but I would guess that were over 99% i18n now | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | and, with discussion from bernd_ and preaction, we have a way for making i18n phrases more grammatically correct in other languages | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | but it is yet to be implemented | 18:18 |
| @Haarg | at this point i'm assuming the wide character thing in your bug report is an XML::TreePP bug | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | but i'm not certain | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | since it didn't exist in 7.5, I think that's a good assumption | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | unless it's coming in during the caching | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | i doubt it | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | had another fun issue with the 7.6 synd content asset | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | where with the way it was improperly decoding the wide chars | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | it caused one of the regexes to run forever | 18:23 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:23 |
| @Haarg | but only on some machines | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | it doesn't run forever on os x as far as i can tell | 18:23 |
| @Haarg | but does on rhel | 18:23 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: uhg, I'll never understand how arabic can work with utf8::downgrade. I mean really? Either Perl is magically picking the arabic encoding for 8 bit chars, or somehow you can convert multi-byte chars into 8 bit encodings that display just fine. Encodings are the work of the devil! | 18:26 |
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| @Haarg | the important thing to remember is that it isn't properly encoded to begin with | 18:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: heh, that helps but I think I won't get it until it is flowcharted. | 18:32 |
| deafferret | perlmonkey2: Looks pretty simple to me http://tinyurl.com/axb3h7 :) | 18:33 |
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| +bartjol | the horror, the horror! | 18:58 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: mmm, got some work to do indeed! | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, red hat's, and by extension fedora's, perl is substandard | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | If I wasn't such a red hat bigot, I'd jump on the ubuntu band wagon | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | that's not it though | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but I stubbornly hold onto the thought that they'll fix it somehow | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | it works on os x using the system perl, my 5.10 build, and the wre | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | it breaks on rhel using system perl or the wre | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a postable bug to RH's bugzilla then | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | it's very odd | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, as far as I can see, there are only a few big batches of missing i18n in WebGUI yet. | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and most of it is in the javascript | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | excluding, or course, upcoming development | 19:12 |
| +bartjol | yeah, I was actually relieved after all the monster under the bed stories from you | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | not as much as you thought? | 19:12 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9196 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (11 files): Update from translation server | 19:12 |
| +bartjol | no, only 1.9 percent | 19:13 |
| +bartjol | which is quite some work but not a tremendous amount | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | good, and it all should have good context | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | if not, you can jump on my toes at the WUC | 19:13 |
| +bartjol | after my remarks I have seen improvements | 19:13 |
| SDuensin | Hey gang. | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin! | 19:14 |
| +bartjol | only if I cancarry JT on the same time, and I Can't (or maybe can, but it will ruin my back) do that | 19:14 |
| +bartjol | SDuensin: my big facebook friend ;) | 19:15 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 19:15 |
| SDuensin | It's very boring here. Backing up drives. | 19:15 |
| +bartjol | oh, I just finished some translations and upgrading my site. now I head off to drink beer and play games (I know, it's getting predictable) | 19:16 |
| +bartjol | so nice weekend everybody | 19:17 |
| SDuensin | Beer & Games? Sounds great to me! | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I still need to write that wiki article about setting up the translation server locally | 19:17 |
| SDuensin | Enjoy, Facebook buddy! | 19:17 |
| +bartjol | it is, Oh and to come up with a subject for my WUC-presentation | 19:17 |
| +bartjol | thanks! | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | On the variability and form of Bart Jol's hair. The long and the short of it. | 19:18 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: if you have time, I wanna do that, so you can use me as a test sunject | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | next week perhaps? | 19:18 |
| +bartjol | should be possible somewhere | 19:19 |
| +bartjol | but I also wanna backport i18n changes in beta to stable | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that is going to be a challenge | 19:19 |
| +bartjol | lets talk about that later | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:20 |
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| bernd_ | SDuensin, you mentioned that you are running V-servers. | 20:04 |
| bernd_ | What is your preferred virtualization solution? | 20:04 |
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| SDuensin | Hey bernd_ - I use VMware Server. | 20:24 |
| bernd_ | And are you pleased with it? | 20:24 |
| SDuensin | Very | 20:25 |
| bernd_ | What about virtualbox? | 20:25 |
| bernd_ | Does it provide the same functionality? | 20:25 |
| SDuensin | Not really. VMware Server has a nice web UI for managing your virtual machines. | 20:25 |
| SDuensin | VMware Server is free, too. | 20:25 |
| bernd_ | So basically, the native gui control application available via the web? | 20:26 |
| SDuensin | Server has no GUI. It's all in a browser. | 20:27 |
| SDuensin | If you're doing virtual servers, it's great. If you virtualize any clients, the video performance is pretty bad. | 20:27 |
| bernd_ | Oh, so it is a web console? | 20:28 |
| bernd_ | The screen content being made available in your browser? | 20:29 |
| SDuensin | Yea. There is a plugin for the browser to let you access the VM's consoles, or you can VNC to them. | 20:29 |
| bernd_ | I think virtualbox has an integrated RDP server for that purpose. | 20:29 |
| bernd_ | Just not the OSE version. | 20:29 |
| bernd_ | Would that be comparable? | 20:29 |
| SDuensin | Very similar, yea. | 20:29 |
| bernd_ | I see. | 20:29 |
| SDuensin | VirtualBox is nice, but I like the management tools VMware provides since I run a crapload of VMs. | 20:30 |
| bernd_ | Ever tried paravirtualization like Xen? | 20:30 |
| bernd_ | I see. | 20:30 |
| SDuensin | Played with Xen a bit. I need more OS support than it provides. I still have a DOS VM! | 20:30 |
| bernd_ | But is it worth the effort regarding performance? | 20:30 |
| bernd_ | I understand that you need to adapt the guest. | 20:30 |
| SDuensin | If you're doing all Linux, probably. Then again, I'm really pleased with my VMware performance. One of my VMs does video streaming and transcoding! | 20:31 |
| jmarsden|work | bernd_: I think vmware vs virtualbox is more about who will use the VMs ... vmware "appliances" can be given to the gneral public of Windows users for demos etc; virtualbox is less common for that | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's kind of like OGG vs MP3 | 20:33 |
| bernd_ | But virtualbox provides image compatibility afaik. | 20:33 |
| bernd_ | Or is that just for import? | 20:33 |
| SDuensin | jmarsden|work - It all boiled down to the management for me. I've had 9 VMs going at once on my server. Very nice to be able to point-and-click between them and get overviews of the resources each is using. | 20:33 |
| jmarsden|work | bernd_: I have not tried converting images between the two... that's an interesting thing, I'll have to try it :) | 20:34 |
| bernd_ | I think I read that virtualbox supports vmdk. | 20:34 |
| bernd_ | That means you should at least be able to boot vmware images. | 20:35 |
| bernd_ | Not sure whether it works with vmdk internally. | 20:35 |
| SDuensin | I got a buddy who swears by VirtualBox. I just never really got into it that much. | 20:37 |
| jmarsden|work | bernd_: default disk image files for virtualbox are .vdi files, at least on my installation... | 20:38 |
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| bkqmackey | anyone out there familiar with the YUI menu? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | with more details, perhaps :) | 21:06 |
| bkqmackey | I just upgraded to 7.5.37, and my YUI menu is not only calling my CSS it's using the Skin that YUI includes, but I can't see where it's being called from? | 21:07 |
| bkqmackey | and it's overriding my CSS and screwing with my text | 21:07 |
| bkqmackey | it's not called in my head block for the menu where the normal CSS is? | 21:08 |
| bkqmackey | (I discovered this using WebDeveloper) | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | some WebGUI script tags are output inline, due to the chunked nature of how it makes output | 21:09 |
| bkqmackey | any idea how to fix/stop it? | 21:11 |
| bkqmackey | I'm not sure exactly what you meant... | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | well, 1) you need to make sure that the YUI css calls are in the source of the page | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and then you need to make sure that the CSS is scoped correctly | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're leaking a div tag, or they're in the wrong order, that could be the problem | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and, there was a Navigation problem that was fixed in 7.6.8 and 7.5.38 | 21:13 |
| bkqmackey | well the source code shows my css, then under the JS there's a link href to the SAM skin, but I don't see it when I go to edit the html/head block of the nav | 21:15 |
| bkqmackey | that's where I guess I'm confused. | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 7.5? | 21:17 |
| bkqmackey | yes | 21:17 |
| bkqmackey | on Windows | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | the link to skins/sam/menu.css comes from the WebGUI core code | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | inside Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm | 21:18 |
| bkqmackey | Hmm. would it be a problem that there's no Navigation.pm in the Wobject folder? | 21:20 |
| bkqmackey | wait, found it. | 21:21 |
| bkqmackey | I was in the wrong place, sorry. | 21:21 |
| bkqmackey | Do you think I should delete that line then? | 21:22 |
| bkqmackey | hmm, that did not seem to do anything. | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you delete Navigation.pm, WebGUI won't make navigations anymore | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be better to fix the CSS issue | 21:42 |
| bkqmackey | no, I'm sorry, I just tried deleting the line that called that CSS | 21:44 |
| bkqmackey | I actually ended up renaming the CSS so it couldn't find it, which worked, but right now not sure how that'll impact me in the future. | 21:44 |
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| carogray | hi all - where is the list of contributions that used to be? We have tried to put the EmailEncode macro into our system, Graham enabled it back in December but it still isn't working. I don't know how it's supposed to work can someone point me to it? I can't find reference to it in either PB online support, WG support or the wikis | 22:10 |
| @rizen | webgui.org/bazaar | 22:13 |
| carogray | hah! I didn't even look there - thought it was the shop where you could buy all the purple octopus kit! sheesh! thanks | 22:14 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9197 /tools/translationserver.cgi: | 08:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Prevent namespace files from being created, unless they already exist in the English | 08:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation. | 08:25 |
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| daviddelikat | anybody know what happened to WSClient.pm? | 21:05 |
| daviddelikat | there is no wsclient module in the svn archive yet it is available in the content menu | 21:20 |
| jmarsden | There is lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_WSClient.pm -- is that what you are looking for? Or ./lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_WSClient.pm ? | 21:27 |
| daviddelikat | that would be helpfu, if I had a copy of the code module it descibes :) | 21:49 |
| daviddelikat | I actually have a copy of the module, but I'm wondering if the module is still part of the system. these things don't usually disapear from source control without some cause... | 21:51 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps the function has been retired? | 21:52 |
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| jmarsden | daviddelikat: I found the svn revision where it was removed, r8769. The log entry was: | 01:28 |
| jmarsden | r8769 | graham | 2008-12-02 16:32:58 -0800 (Tue, 02 Dec 2008) | 1 line | 01:29 |
| jmarsden | removing WSClient | 01:29 |
| jmarsden | Unfortunately the svn log comment does not say *why* it was removed :) | 01:29 |
| daviddelikat | jmarsden: thanks, I also found the entry... | 01:40 |
| jmarsden | Sounds like time to ask on the dev forum/list? Or ask graham, if you know who graham is? | 01:41 |
| daviddelikat | he's up at the top of the list there, but right now I'm working on other stuff, so I'm putting it off till later... | 01:45 |
| daviddelikat | thanks again for your research | 01:45 |
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| Radix__ | graham is Haarg | 03:49 |
| Radix__ | jmarsden & daviddelikat | 03:49 |
| jmarsden | Radix__: Thanks, that's what david_delikat said earlier... "he's up at the top of the list.." | 03:52 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Hola, SDuensin. Is the shop still giving you fits? | 18:12 |
| SDuensin | I'm just going to have a zillion entries in the variants drop down. | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | if we're putting #! lines on the utility scripts, shouldn't they be marked executable? | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | should probably adjust them to be runnable from any path as well | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | but i'll set them executable right now | 18:29 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9209 /WebGUI/sbin/installClass.pl: Add license boiler plate to installClass. | 18:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9210 /WebGUI/ (17 files in 2 dirs): marked sbin scripts as executable | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | In the wiki, how do I make an attachment show up in the wiki page? | 18:50 |
| @preaction | drag the attachment from the upper box into the page | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Hm. The instructions in the box say copy and paste. Does that work too, and does it mean browser level copy and paste? | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | click and drag worked fine, btw. Thanks, preaction. | 18:53 |
| danny_mk | Has anyone seen a better tutorial than the one at the Perl::POE site? | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, danny_mk. Never done any POE hacking. | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | You could check the spectre code, though. It's POE based | 19:13 |
| danny_mk | sure, that would be a great tutorial :-P | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it's practical... ;) | 19:13 |
| danny_mk | gotcha! | 19:14 |
| @preaction | i learned a lot from the poe.perl.org site | 19:16 |
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| jmarsden|work | Haarg: Do you have a minute to talk about the idea of "should probably adjust them to be runnable from any path as well" for the scripts? That would be great for packagers; in general, if they could all call one function to find out where webguiRoot is, or some centralized solution like that, this would work for for WRE, source, and packaged installs. But there's a "catch-22" - where do you put the "central place to set w | 19:50 |
| jmarsden|work | ebguiRoot" code? /usr/local/lib/site_perl/ maybe?? | 19:50 |
| @Haarg | not at the moment, but i'll be back in a little bit | 19:53 |
| jmarsden|work | OK. | 19:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/features/print/112388 | 20:02 |
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| @bopbop | perlDreamer: is your presentation from wuc 08 on the WUC site? | 20:19 |
| @bopbop | to common programming mistakes one | 20:19 |
| @bopbop | to- the | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I mailed it to Jamie last Thursday, right before he fired me for being 7 months late | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Would you like a copy? | 20:19 |
| @bopbop | yes please :) | 20:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer: I don't need a copy copy, but another beer would be appreciated =) | 20:21 |
| SDuensin | Wait! What? Huh? Where have I been? There's beer?! | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see what I can do, MrHairgrease. Any preferences? | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | SDuensin: that's what happens if you don't attend the wuc | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | pd: no | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 20:22 |
| * SDuensin was busy destroying a database. | 20:22 | |
| @preaction | better than beer, imho | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, at the WUC last year, I ran a game show | 20:22 |
| @preaction | they should all be destroyed! | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I showed some core code, and asked the audience to figure out the bugs in them | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | preaction, global destruction is always nicer with beer | 20:23 |
| * SDuensin is auto generating a ton of variants based on a few base variants already in the database. | 20:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | I gave out candy, but had a special prize for MrHairgrease, since he codes better with a beer in him | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | true | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | but only upto a certain treshold | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 beer lubricates the gears | 20:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | after that performance degrades severely | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 20:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | but the corny jokes ratio keeps increasing | 20:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | is that presentation on webgui.tv already btw? | 20:25 |
| @bopbop | got it- thanks perldreamer | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, I hear it's coming | 20:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | nice | 20:25 |
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| SDuensin | Oh hell. I've forgotten about a little thing we like to call "recursion". | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Need some firebug help | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it's keeping track of old version of my page as I load it | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and since the page has inlined scripts, I can't tell if the new code is working or not | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | any ideas on how to clear out the old versions, or to stop its caching? | 20:30 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: i've found i either have to close firebug or reload the page twice | 20:30 |
| * perlDreamer has a strong, love hate relationship with Firebug | 20:31 | |
| +perlDreamer | I have a similar one with js, but it is a hate/mainly dislike relationship. | 20:34 |
| SDuensin | I HATE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S IN MY DATABASE! ARRRRRRGH! | 20:35 |
| SDuensin | Sorry. :-) | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | you hate not being able to query it like SQL, but the data is in there | 20:35 |
| SDuensin | Yea, and it's hard as hell to read and manage. I'm coping. Just not happy. :-) | 20:36 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - FYI, this is what I was trying to avoid: http://ut.jaegertech.net/products/rings/r9904-r9903?cat=ring&num=2 | 20:54 |
| SDuensin | Look at all those choices! | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been learning JS. Why not use it to break apart the choices, build separate form elements, and then override the save button to put them back together? | 20:55 |
| SDuensin | Because that's a lot of work. :-P | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Actually, I think "learning" is a bit of an oversimplification. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Flailing and screaming at it would be more accurate. | 20:56 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 20:56 |
| SDuensin | Every time you talk about learning JS, it makes me want to learn Cappuccino again. And I don't have time! :-) | 20:57 |
| @Haarg | jmarsden|work, regarding making them runnable from anywhere, i think having it based on the script's location is the best way to go | 20:59 |
| @Haarg | if someone wanted to separate the perl code from the rest of the files they would have to modify the scripts, but that's not really a standard/supported way to install it | 20:59 |
| jmarsden|work | Well, that fails when the scripts need to be in /usr/share/webgui/sbin for FHS compliance... | 20:59 |
| jmarsden|work | Or rather, in /usr/bin --- my bad. | 21:00 |
| @Haarg | the scripts are going to have to be modified for that no matter what we do really | 21:00 |
| jmarsden|work | Well, if there were just one place where webguiROot was defined, that would be one place to change; not once per script... | 21:01 |
| @Haarg | there's really no way to do that though with the way things currently are | 21:02 |
| jmarsden|work | Well, if you (thinking out loud) had each script use a package WebGUIConf and fall back to a path say /data/WebGUI/whatever for the root if it can't load that package... then you could drop the package into /usr/local/lib/site_perl and that would set webguiRoot consistently across all scripts... ? | 21:03 |
| jmarsden|work | Intuitively it feels wrong to have one constant (the location of webguiRoot) embedded in many scripts. | 21:04 |
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| elnino | quick question: To have two installs of webgui on the same server, would involve a manual install, right? or is there a way to use wre? | 22:28 |
| bernd_ | You can run many sites with the wre. | 22:30 |
| bernd_ | Or do you want to have to completely independent installations? | 22:31 |
| elnino | I know, but we're using webgui as a framework for an internal application, | 22:31 |
| bernd_ | two | 22:31 |
| elnino | and it probably will along side a vanilla untouched wre that hosts our corporate website. | 22:31 |
| elnino | yes, two. =) | 22:31 |
| bernd_ | ? | 22:31 |
| @Haarg | if you wanted to run multiple versions of webgui you could use the wre, but there would be a fair bit of manual configuration. you'd need to run a separate modperl server for instance. | 22:32 |
| bernd_ | And if you use two virtual appliances instead? | 22:32 |
| bernd_ | Or one at least. | 22:33 |
| elnino | that is a possiblity. | 22:33 |
| elnino | hmm. lets put it this way.. maybe I can get by with one install. I have a bunch of new assesthat I want to have in one webgui, but not the other. | 22:33 |
| elnino | s/assesthat/assets that/ | 22:33 |
| bernd_ | I think that can be configured on a per site basis. | 22:33 |
| @Haarg | you can configure that in the config file for each site | 22:33 |
| bernd_ | I was first :-) | 22:34 |
| elnino | I *Hope* I don't have to modify any of the base code to support these new assets. | 22:34 |
| elnino | But I have a feeling I will, because the result will be a webgui install that only has an asset tree and "edit properties" screens available, there is no "website" or "turn admin off" mode. | 22:35 |
| elnino | s/asset tree/asset manager/ | 22:35 |
| bernd_ | Why disable it if you could just hide it? | 22:36 |
| elnino | hide it via the viewable permissions? | 22:37 |
| elnino | or config file? | 22:37 |
| bernd_ | Just switch to admin mode after login, somehow, and do not provide a link for switching? | 22:38 |
| bernd_ | back | 22:38 |
| elnino | ok.. I can probably do that with a minor change to the autho mod. | 22:40 |
| elnino | s/autho/auth | 22:40 |
| elnino | terrible typing!! sorry. | 22:40 |
| bernd_ | You could probably also configure mod_proxy to append something like ?func=edit to every url. | 22:41 |
| bernd_ | Since we are talking about dirty hacks, you could also embed a macro in the first page that does the job. | 22:42 |
| elnino | hmmm. cleaver. | 22:42 |
| bernd_ | That way you would not have to change the core. | 22:42 |
| elnino | s/cleaver/clever | 22:42 |
| elnino | very clever. ok you're convincing. | 22:42 |
| bernd_ | Not often :-) | 22:42 |
| elnino | these creative ideas are very timely. | 22:43 |
| elnino | we were considering reinventing the wheel using java | 22:43 |
| bernd_ | For what you just described? | 22:44 |
| elnino | yes | 22:44 |
| elnino | well, and for all the assets we have to create that I didn't mention. | 22:45 |
| elnino | my issues with using webgui was, multi installs (which you addresses) disabling the website (which you addressed) and creating dynamic edit pages (instead of hardcoding properties like webgui currently does), but I think | 22:46 |
| elnino | I worked that out in my mind. I hope. | 22:46 |
| bernd_ | Good luck! | 22:47 |
| elnino | and I really don't want to modify the base code, but I think I convinced the hardware engineerss (my "customers") that webgui's methods are best (without mentioning webgui because they have no idea what it is.) | 22:47 |
| elnino | So I think I'm around that issue too. | 22:47 |
| elnino | thanks. i just don't want to start one direction and get stuck and go back tojava. | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | ARRRGGGHHHH | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't say that word, elnino. | 22:49 |
| bernd_ | Better do not disappoint them then ;-) | 22:49 |
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| elnino | I'm sorry.. It was being considered because that thing only language my cowork knows. | 22:49 |
| bernd_ | jmarsden, do you know the URL of your PPA by heart? | 22:51 |
| bernd_ | Or jmarsden|work, maybe? | 22:51 |
| jmarsden|work | bernd_: for looking at it, or for a deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list? | 22:51 |
| bernd_ | The latter. | 22:52 |
| jmarsden|work | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jmarsden/ubuntu intrepid main | 22:52 |
| elnino | The ?edit screen, is defined by each pm module for each asset, right? like www_edit or something... | 22:53 |
| bernd_ | Bu I think I found it already. | 22:53 |
| bernd_ | Is it "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jmarsden/ubuntu intrepid main"? | 22:53 |
| bernd_ | Looks the same to me? | 22:53 |
| jmarsden|work | Isn't that what I just posted here? | 22:54 |
| bernd_ | elnino, I would think so but I am not 100% certain. | 22:54 |
| bernd_ | Is it defined in Asset.pm or Wobject.pm? | 22:54 |
| bernd_ | In that case you should be safe. | 22:54 |
| jmarsden|work | bernd_: I use http://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive to poke around by hand, but that won't work for deb lines. | 22:54 |
| bernd_ | Seems to be a timing issue. I typed it before I saw your line. | 22:55 |
| jmarsden|work | bernd_: Ah, OK. | 22:55 |
| elnino | bernd_ yes, it would be subclassed... so this is good news for me. I'm pretty sure that is what I read in the developers book. | 22:55 |
| bernd_ | Thanks for your help. | 22:56 |
| bernd_ | I am going to test immediately. | 22:56 |
| jmarsden|work | Cool, let me know how it goes :) | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, it is always www_edit, unless you are adding, in which case it is www_add | 22:57 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, and the URL is always "?func=edit"? | 22:59 |
| elnino | cool, because what I need to do there, is the "edit properties" screen is dynamically displayed based on data stored in a another custom asset's table. | 22:59 |
| elnino | and by all indications, I should be able to do that too. | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd: always, for an asset's core properties | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but for things like collateral, or uploads, or whatever, there's no consistent pattern | 23:00 |
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| bernd_ | Thanks, perlDreamer! | 23:03 |
| elnino | Thank you perlDreamer and bernd_ I'm going to sleep on all this now, and make sure I have all the open-ended questions covered. | 23:04 |
| elnino | Oh.. is there a setting to NOT have something version controlled? I take it it would not be subclassed from asset, so what would it be subclassed from? We need to have some version control and some not, OR | 23:05 |
| elnino | have some automatically be committed while others are not | 23:06 |
| elnino | s/setting/property | 23:06 |
| elnino | so I guess it would be like changing the system settings vs, changing properties of an asset. | 23:07 |
| bernd_ | You could do that via separate workflows. | 23:08 |
| bernd_ | Create one for auto-commit, | 23:08 |
| bernd_ | and another one for manual approval. | 23:08 |
| bernd_ | Would that work? | 23:08 |
| elnino | the work flow would need to know what class type the asset is. | 23:08 |
| elnino | so I suppose that would work, unless other changes to other assets get's into the same version tag. | 23:09 |
| bernd_ | Isn't the asset passed along to the workflow? | 23:09 |
| elnino | yes, but if the version tag included changes to a "non versionable" asset and a "versionable" asset, what would I do? Or am I thinking too late in the process? | 23:10 |
| bernd_ | Just make them run not in parallel. | 23:11 |
| elnino | I would have to check the asset class BEFORE putting it under a version tag. So if i'm in a version tag already, and I modified a non-versionable asset, it would need to create a new version tag and committ it immediately.... that should work, right? | 23:11 |
| bernd_ | Process one asset per time.# | 23:11 |
| bernd_ | Check the type and auto-commit if it is appropriate. | 23:12 |
| bernd_ | Collect everything else in a version tag. | 23:12 |
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| elnino | I would "check the type and auto-commit" in what workflow? | 23:12 |
| elnino | or would that be the result if I change it to parallel? I don't know much about workfows... Assets I can handle, but I really need to learn how to grasp workflows. | 23:14 |
| bernd_ | Not sure. Would have to look it up. | 23:14 |
| bernd_ | But I think you would have to write your own workflow activities. | 23:14 |
| elnino | ok. I'm thinking this is a totally custom workflow, as opposed to tweaking an existing one. | 23:15 |
| elnino | right. You said it first. =) | 23:15 |
| bernd_ | But at least it is pluggable. | 23:15 |
| elnino | YES!!! | 23:15 |
| elnino | Thank you plainblack! | 23:15 |
| bernd_ | Good night, elnino :-) | 23:15 |
| elnino | right..! I'll go now... | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yay! javascript is working | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | booo! CSS is not | 23:20 |
| bernd_ | jmarsden|work, I have unmet dependencies. | 23:20 |
| jmarsden|work | Really? They are not in my PPA? Which dependencies? | 23:21 |
| bernd_ | Check these error messages: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jmarsden/ubuntu intrepid main | 23:21 |
| bernd_ | No, wrong. | 23:21 |
| bernd_ | These: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d35713f08 | 23:21 |
| bernd_ | Why does "apt-get install webgui" not pull in all the packages it needs? | 23:22 |
| jmarsden|work | It does, for me.... did you do sudo apt-get update after adding that deb line ? | 23:22 |
| bernd_ | Oh, damn! I know why... | 23:23 |
| bernd_ | The JeOS version I have installed is hardy! | 23:23 |
| bernd_ | Seems like I must do a release upgrade first. | 23:23 |
| jmarsden|work | Ah... yes, that would explain it. I've not even attempted backporting to Hardy. | 23:23 |
| bernd_ | Haven't you tested with JeOS as well? | 23:24 |
| jmarsden|work | With the one from the Ubuntu Server 8.10 CD, yes. | 23:24 |
| bernd_ | I see. Mine was downloaded from the web page. | 23:24 |
| bernd_ | I probably selected the last LTS release without knowing. | 23:24 |
| bernd_ | Alright. | 23:24 |
| jmarsden|work | Sounds like it. | 23:25 |
| bernd_ | Seems like I will have to postpone testing until tomorrow :-( | 23:25 |
| jmarsden|work | Oh well... at least you are nearly there! | 23:25 |
| jmarsden|work | DOwnloading the 8.10 server CD should only take an hour or so though... unless you have a very slow Internet connection? | 23:25 |
| bernd_ | Slow... | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | Sometimes it is fast. | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | But not often. | 23:26 |
| jmarsden|work | :) OK. | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | But something else: would it not make sense to support hardy? | 23:26 |
| jmarsden|work | Yes, long term it probably would, because it is LTS. | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | I mean webgui is for server use, isn't it? | 23:27 |
| bernd_ | Any plans to backport? | 23:27 |
| jmarsden|work | Maybe... I'd like to get it into Jaunty as a priority... Hardy has even fewer of the dependencies that webgui needs, so I think my PPA will explode with many lib*-*-perl packages for Hardy to work! | 23:28 |
| bernd_ | Is it not allowed to pull them in via CPAN? | 23:29 |
| bernd_ | I mean, as long as the webgui package takes care of it? | 23:29 |
| jmarsden|work | It is allowed as it it will work, but it is not allowed (as far as I know) to do that in an official Ubuntu package. Itwould make packaging on CD or DVD useless unles syou have a live Internet connection at install time,for example | 23:29 |
| bernd_ | Yeah, you are right. | 23:30 |
| jmarsden|work | And Ernesto has done such a great job of getting all the lib*-*-perl stuff packaged for Debian, it seems sad not to take advantage of that :) | 23:30 |
| bernd_ | Going to start the upgrade and to bed afterwards. | 23:31 |
| bernd_ | Happy hacking! | 23:31 |
| jmarsden|work | OK, bye for now! | 23:31 |
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| elnino | exit | 23:32 |
| elnino | Thought I was in putty. =) | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | c_thomas, just install Template::Toolkit | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or add WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit.pm to preload.exclude in the sbin directory | 23:40 |
| bernd_ | jmarsden|work, one more thing: | 23:40 |
| jmarsden|work | Sure | 23:40 |
| bernd_ | Do you remember how to upgrade from LTS to non-LTS? | 23:40 |
| bernd_ | do-release-upgrade tells me that there is no new version. | 23:40 |
| jmarsden|work | Hmmm, something about a -d option? Let me see if I can find out... | 23:41 |
| bernd_ | --help does not say anything about it. | 23:41 |
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| jmarsden|work | There is a -d option in the do-release-upgrade script in Intrepid... I don't have a Hardy one here to look at. | 23:43 |
| jmarsden|work | It is in Python so you can less /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade to check ? | 23:43 |
| bernd_ | But -d is devel. | 23:43 |
| jmarsden|work | -p maybe?? for proposed?? | 23:44 |
| bernd_ | Nope. But I found it. | 23:45 |
| bernd_ | You have to change /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades. | 23:45 |
| bernd_ | See this URL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades | 23:45 |
| bernd_ | Now it's working! | 23:45 |
| bernd_ | Thanks nevertheless. | 23:45 |
| jmarsden|work | OK, glad you found it. | 23:46 |
| jmarsden|work | Ah, yes, I remember doing that in the GUI on a Hardy desktop... | 23:46 |
| bernd_ | Again, good night everyone! | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | In general, macros get processed _after_ the template is evaluated, right? | 23:55 |
| @Haarg | yes | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | there was a bug posted about the Snippet, and after going through the code I found it does it in the opposite order | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | when the snippet is processed as a template | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll build a test and then switch it to way it should work. | 23:59 |
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| @Haarg | well, i got the syndicated content wide character issue figured out. i'm just not sure of how to fix it. | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you mean you have too many options to choose from, or that it's not possible to get it fixed? | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | proper fix is a change to XML::TreePP, but we probably need an alternate solution | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | did you see the email that I sent? | 00:07 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i was writing up a response | 00:08 |
| daviddelikat | is cter?his occuring wrt anything other than the '®' charag | 00:09 |
| daviddelikat | i hate that... | 00:09 |
| daviddelikat | is this happening wrt anything besides the ® character? | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | any xml entity representing a wide character | 00:10 |
| daviddelikat | but do we have instances of other characters? | 00:11 |
| daviddelikat | i'm thinking that we could map the characters to the html element at the input module | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | the sc needs to be able to accept any rss feed though | 00:12 |
| daviddelikat | i think that the latest version of the edit plugin (third party) might do something like this | 00:12 |
| daviddelikat | ok so the SC needs to do the mapping also | 00:12 |
| daviddelikat | or some solution.... | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | well, there's not really any point to doing on the input side | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | i'm still trying to think of a good solution | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | but the best i'm coming up with is monkeypatching XML::TreePP | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | how about patching it ourself, and sending the author a patch with test? | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and then waiting for the patch to be released? | 00:15 |
| @Haarg | well, that would be the idea | 00:15 |
| @Haarg | post a patch, and monkeypatch it until then | 00:15 |
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| @Haarg | i'm just going to report the bug to the XML::TreePP author | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | and it can be left at that | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | works for me | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | c_thomas, did that work for you? | 00:27 |
| c_thomas | it fix the problem with TemplateToolkit.pm | 00:28 |
| c_thomas | but i still have the problem about get | 00:29 |
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| c_thomas | i created the preload.exclude file | 00:30 |
| c_thomas | i guess you can see this, I just installed this irc application and was just trying to figure out all the pictures | 00:32 |
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| @Haarg | daviddelikat, i'll post back on that bug, but you can consider the sc wide character issue resolved | 01:01 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg i figured as much | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | always annoying when the bug is in someone elses code | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | harder to find and harder to get fixed. | 01:09 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9211 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:10 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: Add a test for evaluating templates and macros in the right order | 01:10 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: in the Snippet. Fix a bug with that. | 01:10 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9212 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting macro/template eval order bug in the Snippet. | 01:11 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9213 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 01:11 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: fixed bug 9428: ASSET::get now includes keywords when | 01:11 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: called without a property name. | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | can JS be used to remove CSS classes from an element? | 01:43 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:51 |
| @Haarg | yui has a function for that | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll RTM | 02:00 |
| patspam | YAHOO.util.Dom.removeClass | 02:02 |
| patspam | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/dom/removeclass.html | 02:02 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: should bug 9428 get backported? | 02:03 |
| daviddelikat | for that matter should any of the fixes I've made get packported? | 02:03 |
| @Haarg | yes | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | pretty much all bug fixes should be backported | 02:04 |
| daviddelikat | gotta phone call | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | aside from bugs that only affect 7.6 | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | removeClass does not seem to be working in FF for inherited classes | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | let me double check | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | ah | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | that isn't going to work, no | 02:07 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: what is going to be the easiest way for me to setup a 7.5 environment for this backporting? | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | well, you could move your 7.6 version to something like /data/WebGUI.trunk/ | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it doesn't work for inherited classes | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | and check out 7.5 as /data/WebGUI_7.5 | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | and use symlinks for /data/WebGUI | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | so here's the scoop | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a span that contains a button that I YUI-fied | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | YUI makes the new button a span, which inherits the settings from its parent span, which messes up the button rendering | 02:10 |
| daviddelikat | also, do I need to backport items that do not mention any software version? | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, almost all bugs get fixed in both main branches, beta and stable, which in this case are 7.6 and 7.5 | 02:12 |
| daviddelikat | what does the svn co command point to for the stable branch? | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.5 | 02:16 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 02:16 | |
| patspam | perlDreamer: the class isn't inherited | 02:16 |
| patspam | probably the parent class causes your css rules to target the child element | 02:17 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm trying to start my new WebGUI 7.5 site and I'm getting an error about Matrix_listing table doesn't exist | 03:36 |
| Lisette | hi, how to do to get the content of a thingy? | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, double check that /data/WebGUI points to your branch location, and that you've restarted Spectre and Apache. | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam: if you're curious, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4f819d3 | 05:01 |
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| patspam | perlDreamer: it's the ".editItemRow span" css rule | 05:09 |
| patspam | YUI creates a new span around the button element in the dom when you call the Button constructor | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but I want _most_ of the spans in there to get that rule | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should call them out explicitly... | 05:12 |
| patspam | the css rule targets all span children of a .editItemRow classed element | 05:12 |
| patspam | just first children perhaps? | 05:12 |
| patspam | .editItemRow > span | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you can say that? | 05:12 |
| patspam | don't think IE will like it though | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'll just move the buttons, or call the rows out manually | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it also wreaks havok with the YUI Rich Editor | 05:13 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to brush some teeth and to help the kids visit the Forest of Mirkwood | 05:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 05:13 |
| patspam | or how about adding .editItemRow span span { float: none; width: auto; } | 05:14 |
| patspam | that will undo you style for any spans nested inside of spans affected by your first rule | 05:14 |
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| wgGuest49 | Hello | 05:35 |
| wgGuest49 | Umm, anyone there? | 05:36 |
| wgGuest49 | Guess not.... | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest49, it's just late, and we're tired and slow | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a question? | 05:41 |
| wgGuest49 | heh i understand that | 05:42 |
| wgGuest49 | actually it's kind of a broad question. | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | out with it! | 05:42 |
| wgGuest49 | Well I've been using html/css for years upon years. what sorta advantages does this have over the traditional ways? | 05:43 |
| wgGuest49 | I'm sorta new to this system only heard about it recently. | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest49, it's kind of like the difference between subroutines and all inlined code. | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | with CSS, you change it once, and it's fixed everywhere | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | with manual, per element style, you'd better be pretty good with an editor and search/replace | 05:44 |
| wgGuest49 | Yeah it does become a pain at times. | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | now, that's not too particular to WebGUI, except we always try to make styling the individual parts for WebGUI as easy for people as possible. | 05:45 |
| wgGuest49 | Now I heard that after I present the site to my client that with this system they'll be able to update the site on their own easily and without having to call me is that true? | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI has a steep learning curve, but once you've taught them the basics updating the site will be easy. | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I have yet to find users who do not call to ask for help. | 05:47 |
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| wgGuest49 | Does the system still have the ability to me to hardcode if needed? | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | What do you mean by hardcode? | 05:48 |
| wgGuest49 | do the actual html/css coding myself | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | In fact, you can mix dynamically generated content and static content | 05:49 |
| wgGuest49 | like dreamweaver's design window? | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Never used dreamweaver. | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Think of it more like this | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI presents you with a page | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you can drop dynamic and static elements on it | 05:50 |
| wgGuest49 | Ah it's a split panel. top half shows the code bottom half lets you drag/drop etc... | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | In that case, kind of. WebGUI will let you drag and drop elements on the page. But it won't show you the code level view of the page. | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you tried a demo site yet? It would go a long way to showing that. | 05:51 |
| wgGuest49 | I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow as you said it is late heh. | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | also, I'd download a copy of the WebGUI Primer from the Bazaar area of webgui.org | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a good overview of WebGUI | 05:52 |
| wgGuest49 | now i did look at the versions and it seems it's mostly unix based. how often is the windows version updated? | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | We have stopped supporting Windows directly due to general lack of interest. | 05:52 |
| wgGuest49 | yeah the latest version was a few down the list. | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | There have been several threads on the forums about how to use newer versions on Windows. | 05:53 |
| wgGuest49 | linux emulation? | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | But in general it's easiest to use the VMWare image on Windows | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | see this thread: http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/windows-install/2#idFDBFevs0f_nk6P3qNlFyzQ | 05:54 |
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| wgGuest15 | woops | 05:54 |
| wgGuest15 | sorry bout that. | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest15, you can also set a nickname for yourself, if you prefer | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | just say /nick myNewNickname | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hi, John | 05:56 |
| John | Heya :) | 05:56 |
| John | heh it's already registered | 05:56 |
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| Guest3283 | oh well. I'm bout to crash anyway. | 05:57 |
| Guest3283 | Thanks for answering my questions I'll give the demo a shot in the morning. | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | You're welcome, feel free to come back and ask more! | 05:57 |
| Guest3283 | I'm sure I will :P | 05:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, you're a genius | 06:03 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9214 /tools/translationserver.cgi: | 06:39 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: Remove lots of extra whitespace. | 06:39 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: Convert to use the YUI Rich Text Editor. | 06:39 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: ding ding | 07:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: hello | 07:14 |
| patspam | why hello | 07:14 |
| patspam | remember that survey bug i mentioned the other day where one of my surveys text fields exploded into 145mb of garbage data? | 07:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 07:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | still having problems? | 07:15 |
| patspam | how's this for a smoking gun: In contrast to obsessions, your worries don\x{c3}\x{83}\x{c2}\x{83}\x{c3}\x{82}\x{c2}... | 07:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, looks like an encoding issue. | 07:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ? | 07:16 |
| patspam | yeah, explode_on_apostrophe | 07:16 |
| patspam | but possibly only microsoft word apostrophes | 07:16 |
| patspam | I'm trying to trigger it now | 07:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, wow, just realized what was going on (just slept through a dvd and trying to wake up). | 07:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | looks like the windows ` was badly encoded which caused everything behind it to become wide. | 07:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or something | 07:18 |
| patspam | yeah.. the first thing i can reproduce is that if you put a (') into the text it generates a couple of garbage characters | 07:20 |
| patspam | and then every time you edit/save it the garbled text grows | 07:20 |
| patspam | ...quadratically | 07:20 |
| patspam | =p | 07:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so the badly encoded chars are reencoded as more malformed chars | 07:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so win32 `'s being read as UTF8? | 07:24 |
| patspam | yep. and every time you edit any survey field the badness doubles | 07:24 |
| patspam | yeah it's probably a to_json vs encode_json thing | 07:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, I'll give it a go in about 8.5 hours and see what I come up with. | 07:26 |
| patspam | thanks chief! | 07:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the fun fun encoding fun, never ends. | 07:26 |
| patspam | perl -e 'use JSON; use Data::Dumper; print Dumper(encode_json({a=>"'"})) . Dumper(to_json({a=>"'"}))' | 07:27 |
| patspam | s/from_json/decode_json/g && s/to_json/encode_json/g solves it | 07:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I thought that was already done. | 08:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: you might try a diff on your branch because I was pretty sure that was already changed. | 08:10 |
| patspam | looks like to_ and from_ methods are still in trunk | 08:13 |
| patspam | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm | 08:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: hmm, then it seems like we went away from encode on purpose. | 08:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | went to to/from because encoding was being done elsewhere. I'll have to dig through the code to make sure, but maybe the change has the reason for it in the logs. Haarg would probably know, he's good about remembering these types of issues. | 08:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | crap, way past my bedtime. I'll see what I can figure out in the morning patspam and let you know. | 08:18 |
| patspam | for sure!. i'm interested to hear the reasoning when you get to the bottom of it as i do a lot of json encoding in my own code | 08:18 |
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| Lisette | anyone knows about thingy? | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | not much | 16:25 |
| Lisette | about the code? | 16:25 |
| Lisette | the api | 16:25 |
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| +BartJol | never worked with that | 16:25 |
| Lisette | mmmm ok | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | but you can try, the guy that programmed it isn't online very often | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | i'll be back in a minute | 16:29 |
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| Lisette | how to do to get all register of a thing specified? | 16:32 |
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| +BartJol | sorry Lisette, I don't really understand what you're trying to do | 16:42 |
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| Lisette | i want to get all values of a thing | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | it should be www_viewThingData ( ) | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | and give the thingId as a parameter | 16:47 |
| Lisette | i try, tjanks | 16:50 |
| Lisette | thanks | 16:50 |
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| +BartJol | Lisette: you know you can find the API on http://www.webgui.org/downloads/builds , right? | 16:54 |
| Lisette | yes | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | ok | 17:02 |
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| * danny_mk is curious about the graphics->pallete/graphics->fonts | 17:07 | |
| danny_mk | I have seen those options there for a long time however I have no idea what they are used for, and there does not seem to be anything about them in the Wiki | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | danny_mk: I've never used them either, am also wondering about those, but maybe in an old version there is some info | 17:09 |
| danny_mk | I can't believe that questions has never been asked before and it is not in the Wiki | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | well I can imagine that the fonts can be used so people don't actually have to have all fonts installed | 17:13 |
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| danny_mk | I have a feeling they can be useful, maybe I will dig in one of these days and figure out what they do | 17:15 |
| danny_mk | or how they can be used | 17:15 |
| +BartJol | yeah, it's very handy when you can specify colours and fonts, but you also have to know how to incorporate them | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | I can't find much in the help of my old site, where the help was more extensive | 17:16 |
| danny_mk | right, there is not much info on these features | 17:18 |
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| +BartJol | danny_mk: it seems that Mr Hairgrease knows all about this stuff. It can be used in a grahic plugin, maybe his last WUC presentation can be found on the website | 17:33 |
| danny_mk | huh? | 17:34 |
| danny_mk | Hmmmm... now to hunt down that presentation... | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | it has some parts: http://www.webgui.org/uploads/kr/DF/krDFC-JDs7rbX8D3TbWAAA/wuc_file.jpg | 17:37 |
| +BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/uploads/nV/c0/nVc0CptJHtboO5qiaBRi1g/SimpleGauge.pm | 17:37 |
| +BartJol | and http://www.webgui.org/uploads/se/if/seifvo9O4Y3YYuHZXoOrUA/gauging_the_graphing_system.pdf | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | oops | 17:38 |
| +BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/uploads/S1/CL/S1CL_l5LvUBYbaVGyyTEYg/GraphTest.pm | 17:39 |
| +BartJol | instead of that jpg :) | 17:39 |
| danny_mk | alright, thanks, let me take a look at it | 17:39 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: Did patspam talk to you last night about the ' char and json? | 18:01 |
| danny_mk | Thank you BartJol, it seems that it is mainly use for the charts | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | well, martin made the sheets | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | but, glad to be some help | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | he didn't talk to me about it, but i skimmed the conversation you had | 18:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: any idea what to do? I'm not really sure what's up with the ' anyways | 18:22 |
| Lisette | If I have two thingy and the second one I have the first field type thingy, I can to make filters? | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | i will have to look at it again | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | i need to make sure we're using to_json/from_json consistantly | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | aside from a few special cases | 18:23 |
| @Haarg | survey shouldn't be a special case though | 18:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, in the wobject dir, only Poll and Calendar still use encode_json and eventmanagersystem and poll use decode_json. But the survey uses to/from. | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: do you know where that char ' comes from? Is that a Windows apostrophe? | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | seems likely | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | a fancy quote or whatever | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | word sticks those in | 18:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I'm just not sure what is going on with it. If it isnt' in the utf8 codespace, why can I see it in my utf8 term? If it is in the codespace, why is it blowing up in a browser/mysql browser dispalying utf8? | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | it is in the utf8 codespace, but it isn't encoded properly | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | i don't know why though | 18:31 |
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| mummy | oook , iuuuuuuuulll | 18:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I'm thinking this works :) perl -MEncode -e"use Data::Dumper; print Dumper encode('utf8',decode_utf8(''',Encode::LEAVE_SRC));" | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Encode::LEAVE_SRC just says if it is already wide, leave it alone. | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and I'm not sure why we would expect octets in from the server? | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But session::form expects octets. Does mod_perl handle conversion from the http headers? | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | http headers don't have that information | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | so you just have to make an assumption | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | which means we assume utf8 | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | mod_perl doesn't do any conversion | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | but we automatically decode everything that comes in, so everything coming through session->form should already by as characters | 18:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yes, that is the only place a decode appears to happen, at least for survey. | 18:48 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | This must be something with WG, because I can decode_utf8 then encode that char on the command line without issue. | 18:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: hmm, maybe its somethign I'm doing on display, because it makes it from the webserver to the database correctly formatted :) | 19:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | narrowed it down to the javascript js decode (you guys loving the play by play?) | 19:03 |
| * perlDreamer is still waiting for the pointer and X O chart to be drawn | 19:04 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, the last trace in the server side, after the json encode shows the text correctly encoded. But in the javascript, before the json decode is called, the ' chars are malformed. | 19:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | intersting, an index.html with nothing but '''''''''''''''''' turns into âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM)âEUR(TM) when opened in firefox. | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | needs some kind of headers to know the encoding | 19:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | firefox defaults to ISO-8859-1.........and WG doesn't send an encoding in the response header. | 19:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well that was a long and painful journey to nowhere. | 19:08 |
| @Haarg | ah | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | that makes more sense | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | i was thinking about it terms of that we always serve things with utf8 headers | 19:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm going to go hit myself with a hammer now. brb. | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | but that's only for html | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 19:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so app/json should also have the econding in the header? | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | not quite | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | only text/ can have an encoding type | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | i'll have to look at that | 19:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | tell the users to default to utf8? which they shoudl be anyways? | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | json doesn't have an official mime type, wonder why application/ is usually chosen | 19:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: hmm, I left the deafult mime type and encoding in there, and the json works, but I'm still seeing the bad decodings of that char. Even though the header says it is utf8. | 19:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Content-Typetext/html; charset=UTF-8 | 19:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That' sfrom the response header | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | i don't know | 19:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: what about HTML encoding and decoding? | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | i'll have to look at it later | 19:23 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: Naw, HTML::Encode is only used for encoding the script and link tags, so that can't be it. I'm running out of ideas. | 19:28 |
| @Haarg | well, i can look at it some later today | 19:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: okay, I'm not expecting you to do anything now, just passing along whatever I'm finding. FYI, the results of running HTML::Entities encode on the char gives the malformed string I'm seeing. Have zero idea how that is happening both with WG and with just a simple index.html being read directly by firefox. | 19:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | almost like firefox is encoding it. | 19:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | '<hr>’ | 19:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | those should not show the same thing in firefox unless firefox sucks. | 19:34 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: okay, setting firefox to default to utf8 fixed the problem for the index.html. But I'm still getting the problem in WG. I've grep'd for all the HTML::Entities calls, and don't see how any could be called on non-tagged content. | 19:41 |
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| bkqmackey | I was wondering if anyone has seen any issues using YUI menus with IE? When you mouseover and there is a submenu, the background image is repeated, and keeps getting larger the more it's moused over. | 20:27 |
| bkqmackey | This does not happen in FF | 20:27 |
| bkqmackey | It also only happens on the first item that has a submenu, not the second | 20:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | bkqmackey: haven't seen it, but you might want to check http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=165715&atid=836476 and report it if that hasn't been done alreday | 20:50 |
| bkqmackey | Well I put a band-aid on it (not sure how this will impact in the future) but I renamed the new JS files and replaced them with the ones that worked when I was using 7.4.40 | 20:55 |
| bkqmackey | And thanks for the link, I'll check if it's over there. | 20:56 |
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| bernd_ | Anyone familiar with the gallery? | 22:44 |
| bernd_ | I found that templates conditionally include a CSS style sheet called "gallery-ie.css". | 22:44 |
| bernd_ | But I cannot find it anywhere. | 22:45 |
| bernd_ | Search does not return anything. | 22:45 |
| bernd_ | It is supposed to be under "root/import/gallery-templates/gallery-ie.css". | 22:45 |
| bernd_ | So, who has hacked the gallery? Hands up! | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd_: which version of wG are you running? | 22:48 |
| bernd_ | 7.5 | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | which one? | 22:49 |
| bernd_ | 7.5.38 to be precise. | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, okay. That's what I needed. | 22:49 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, it actually may be possible it was just commented out. | 22:50 |
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| bernd_ | That is the code: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4b4a8856 | 22:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | if I create a site from 7.5.38 and go through the upgrade process, I get a gallery-ie.css file in Asset search | 22:54 |
| bernd_ | So you upgrade to 7.5.38? | 22:55 |
| bernd_ | Or from 7.5.38 to something? | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | from 7.5.38 to .39 | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and if I make a demo server, it shows up there, too | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so what's special about your site, bernd_? | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, does the demo server work by using create.sql? | 22:56 |
| bernd_ | Not sure. | 22:56 |
| bernd_ | Let me search again. | 22:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | gallery-ie is how I found it | 22:56 |
| bernd_ | No it is not there. | 22:57 |
| bernd_ | When was it included? | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it should have been installed in the upgrade to 7.5.38 | 22:57 |
| bernd_ | I think I copied the templates from the beta when looking for i18n. | 22:57 |
| bernd_ | But if it was included in 7.5.38 it should be there. | 22:57 |
| bernd_ | Let my try an update later on. | 22:58 |
| bernd_ | That is anyway on my schedule. | 22:58 |
| bernd_ | Maybe it will show up then. | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | no, if you're using 7.5.38 now it should be in there | 22:58 |
| bernd_ | Hm. | 22:59 |
| bernd_ | So obviously it was not included. | 22:59 |
| bernd_ | I do not remember any error messages upon my last update. | 22:59 |
| Lisette | anyone know about the api of thingy? | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | what are you trying to do, Lisette? | 23:00 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, I am stupid! | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Hardly | 23:01 |
| bernd_ | My version is 7.5.37! | 23:02 |
| bernd_ | It only says that 7.5.38 is available. | 23:02 |
| bernd_ | Stupid? | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, in that case, I recommend an upgrade ;) | 23:02 |
| bernd_ | Sorry for taking time from you. | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Rosa kartoffel kopf? | 23:02 |
| bernd_ | It is written in one word. | 23:02 |
| bernd_ | Where did you get that one from? | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | My wife's brother. | 23:02 |
| bernd_ | Did he say it to you? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, he was telling me that he and his friends made up words in German class by stringing them together | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and actually, I remembered it incorrectly | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it was rosakartoffelzaft | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Pink pototo juice | 23:04 |
| bernd_ | saft | 23:04 |
| bernd_ | What is it supposed to mean? | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Pink potato juice | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | a non-sense word | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | since potatoes are not pink, nor are they juiced | 23:05 |
| bernd_ | I see. | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it was a poor way of demonstrating something stupid. I'm sorry. | 23:07 |
| bernd_ | No problem =) | 23:07 |
| bernd_ | I was just confused. | 23:08 |
| Lisette | i need to get the values of a thing | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, check out the search and view methods for clues on how to do that | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think there's a straight-forward way to get values for a Thing | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but I could be wrong | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's all done with SQL | 23:09 |
| Lisette | mmm ok | 23:09 |
| Lisette | thanks | 23:09 |
| Lisette | another question perlDreamer, i can to get a value of a field in a definition of a paydriver by code? | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Sure. I think paydrivers have a ->get method? | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, they do | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can do $payDriver->get('vendorId') if you have an ITransact PayDriver | 23:12 |
| Lisette | 'vendorId' is the label in a definition? | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm, line 355 | 23:15 |
| Lisette | thanks | 23:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | syntax highlighting in vim works so much better when you name the modules foo.pm instead of foo.com | 01:03 |
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| wgGuest76 | perlDreamer: sorry we got disconneted there, but my battery went quite suddenly | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate it when that happens | 04:01 |
| wgGuest76 | and now i can't get connected as myself. | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | because your other account hasn't timed out yet | 04:02 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, perlmonkey2, steveo_aa, could you please kick daviddelikat? | 04:02 |
| wgGuest76 | well, I'll be a little while anyway, I was jsut going to tell you that I'm haaving server problems | 04:02 |
| wgGuest76 | shouldn't be but a couple of minutes though, something just did not boot correctly... | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, while you get back online, please find out what the error messages were with mod_p{erl,roxy} and pastebin them for me. | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to go start a kid in a shower. | 04:03 |
| wgGuest76 | yeah I'm trying to get three to go to bed too. | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | i've found it easier to put them to bed than to shower them | 04:07 |
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| wgGuest76 | indeed, showers are the ultimate in parental test | 04:09 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | whups | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be back soon, gotta enqueue a new kid into the shower | 04:19 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: sorry about that. | 04:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | did the invite let you back in? | 04:19 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2 no more kicking please | 04:19 |
| daviddelikat | did i get an invite? | 04:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah I sent one | 04:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9215 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/Site.pm): switcheroo on site/domain creation | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, using the WRE, how easy is it to switch back forth between 7.5 and 7.6? | 04:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, well the way I do it is extremely simple. | 04:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I keep multiple complete installs soft linked | 04:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | /datahead /data7.5head /data7.5.23 etc. | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and after switching softlinks, how do you build a new site? | 04:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | like I would with a new install? What do you mean? | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, say I've been working on a 7.6 site | 04:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ./wreconsole? or addsite.pl? | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and I have to back port some svn changes to 7.5 | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | i softlink over to 7.5 | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | then how do I create the new site? | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | to test the changes with? | 04:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, you want to backport a site to 7.5. Not sure I've ever done that. | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | no, not a site | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | remember, I'm WRE ignorant | 04:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so after softlinking back to a 7.5, I just run addsite.pl or wreconsole and I'm good to go/ | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 04:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yep | 04:52 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 04:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just make sure you've stopped the first instance completely, then link data to the other site and I always use wreconsole | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 04:53 |
| * perlDreamer takes a break to become Dentist Daddy... | 04:53 | |
| daviddelikat | oooo a loose tooth | 04:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm pretty sure there is a much better way. But I can switch instances in 3 commands. | 04:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | good enough for me :) | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | not bad at all | 05:14 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: so when i'm setting myself up for multi-version sites I want to make sure that i have a unique database for each version do i just make a different dbuser in the WebGUI conf file? | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you should be able to use the same user for all dbs | 05:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: hmm, I make completely unique sites. Each directory has its own WRE and WebGUI and domains. | 05:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So the dbusers can be all the same with the same pwd's as they aren't with the same databases. | 05:29 |
| daviddelikat | the site name is a parameter for addsite.pl? | 05:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | perl addsite.pl --help | 05:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | www.thesitename.com | 05:30 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2 still fails, modperl is trying to read localhost.conf | 05:39 |
| daviddelikat | i called the new server local7_5 | 05:39 |
| daviddelikat | there is a conf file names www.local7_5.com.conf | 05:40 |
| daviddelikat | this was the command i used | 05:41 |
| daviddelikat | perl /data/wre/sbin/addsite.pl --sitename=www.local7_5.com --adminPassword=123qwe | 05:41 |
| daviddelikat | the help showed the sitename with www...com | 05:41 |
| daviddelikat | should i heve left that off? | 05:41 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | no, I usually use www.test.com | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | so it overwrites each time? | 05:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no, I only create it once for each site. | 05:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm | 05:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | why is modperl trying to read localhost.conf | 05:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | strange | 05:44 |
| daviddelikat | indeed | 05:44 |
| daviddelikat | there is one difference btwn my config and yours, I only link the WebGUI directory, not the whole data directory | 05:45 |
| daviddelikat | is that likely to be the problem? | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 05:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, hmm | 05:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | you use the same WRE instance with multiple WebGUI directories? I guess as long as each instance had a unique DB, there shouldn't be a problem. | 05:48 |
| daviddelikat | unique db as in site name or ??? | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | time to go hang up the honyocks, be back in 10 | 05:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | as in a unique mysql schema | 05:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hasta pd | 05:50 |
| daviddelikat | honyocks? | 05:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: but that wouldn't work for me. I use www.test.com for everything. | 05:51 |
| daviddelikat | that is why i wanted to use a different site name | 05:51 |
| daviddelikat | hense local7_5 | 05:51 |
| daviddelikat | so evertime you switch versions you create a new site? | 05:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: well when I create a new version I create a new intance of www.test.com. | 05:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but I really only keep 4 around. | 05:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 7.5head 7.6head a specific 7.6 and 7.5 which I svn to a specific version then reset the site. | 05:54 |
| daviddelikat | ok I guess I'll just keep the same name, i assume that addsite drops the data tables before it creates anything ... | 05:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | don't know | 05:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | maybe | 05:56 |
| daviddelikat | thanks for your help | 05:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no problem | 05:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if you have any issues, yell | 05:56 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: is this a problem? wreservice.pl --restart all | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat | Restart MySQL: FAILED! | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat | Restart mod_perl: FAILED! | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat | Restart mod_proxy: FAILED! | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat | Restart S.P.E.C.T.R.E.:OK | 06:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: naw, that means things are groovy | 06:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | :P | 06:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just kidding | 06:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, what do the logs say? | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | I love that FIALED! | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | wtf | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | oh yeah logs | 06:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh is mysql started? | 06:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if you have another version going from elsewhere, wreservice wont' stop it. | 06:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and is /etc/my.cnf (or whatever it is) removed? | 06:14 |
| daviddelikat | no I stopped it... I'll do some investigating and get back | 06:14 |
| * daviddelikat getting sleepy | 06:15 | |
| daviddelikat | virtual machines are really cool because when they gat totally bunged up you just erase them and start fresh | 06:32 |
| daviddelikat | that assumes that you keep copies of them in stable states... | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | that has to be one of the more unique IRC handles I've seen in a while | 06:39 |
| oddtruncheon | hello, thanks | 06:39 |
| oddtruncheon | i've got a problem | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | what's your problem, oddtruncheon? | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | we're only good with WebGUI here | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | financial and personal problems are a different channel | 06:42 |
| oddtruncheon | the workflow "Send Queued Email Messages" is driving me insane. | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | which version of WebGUI are you using? | 06:42 |
| oddtruncheon | i've started sifting through the code to understand it but i'm concerned that i'm missing something far simpler. I just upgraded to 7.5.38 | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, and what's the problem with the workflow? | 06:44 |
| oddtruncheon | as far as i can tell it never executes | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | here are some things to try | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) change the log.conf file and set the log level to DEBUG | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | this will generate TONS of output and diagnostics | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll need to restart WebGUI and spectre to see the changes | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) double check that you can connect to your email server | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | port forwarding, firewall, proxy issues, the whole 9 yards | 06:46 |
| oddtruncheon | looking at enhanced logs now. (the mail server part should be clean. i can telnet to it via port 25 no problem) | 06:47 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9216 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 06:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where the getToolbar will set links in the body of the page, | 06:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: even when adminMode is not turned on. | 06:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9217 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 06:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Moving toolbar cache into the getToolbar sub. This was to be the forward port | 06:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: of the getToolbar adminOn fix, but 7.6 already does uses adminOn to prevent | 06:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: extra output from being generated. | 06:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9218 /wrebuild/wre/sbin/wreupgrade.pl: Set the executable bit on the wreupgrade script. | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | man, that colin guy is doing some serious hacking tonight | 06:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | he's on fire! | 06:49 |
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| oddtruncheon | should "192.168.1.0/32" be considered a valid subnet for the spectreSubnets entry in the site config? | 07:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | no, 1.0 isn't a valid ip | 07:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | 192.168.1.1/32 would be | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | wouldn't the /32 cover .0 or .1? | 07:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | depends how good the code is | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | oddtruncheon, I've only ever seen spectre setup on localhost, 127.0.0.1 | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | try the WebGUI forums for more on that | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | or, the WebGUI Admin Guide | 07:05 |
| oddtruncheon | all the other workflows work fine for me so far which makes it that much more frustrating. | 07:06 |
| oddtruncheon | at least the ones i've tried | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | are you sure that your email server is configured correctly in the server settings? | 07:08 |
| oddtruncheon | i was wondering if a port needed to be specified in the smtp server line, but changing the spectresubnet to use 192.168.1.1/32 has changed a number of things in the logs. apparently 192.168.1.0/32 is not valid. | 07:11 |
| oddtruncheon | and apparently more workslows weren't working than i expected. | 07:11 |
| oddtruncheon | s/workslows/workflows/ | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | workslows | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I like that | 07:16 |
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| oddtruncheon | Well it was the spectresubnets config that was the problem. Changed it to 192.168.1.1/32 and everything worked fine. my thanks to perlDreamer and Radix-wrk for the pointers and info. It definitely helped. | 07:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | cool.. glad that sorted it :) | 07:26 |
| oddtruncheon | The 0 vs 1 thing really threw me cause i've been using 192.168.0.0/32 in other apps/configs for years. | 07:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah? well 192.168.1.0/24 is valid as it is a subnet | 07:28 |
| oddtruncheon | ah, maybe thats what i'm thinking | 07:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | but 192.168.1.0/32 is not, as a /32 subnet is effectively only one ip | 07:28 |
| oddtruncheon | ug, thats why i always try to specify the full 255.255.255.0 i never get the shorthand right. | 07:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh :) | 07:29 |
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| oddtruncheon | i don't even want to think about why my firewall (192.168.1.1) is issuing the request to spectre tonight. I should probably do what I saw in the forums and update my /etc hosts to resolve my site names to 127.0.0.1. | 07:31 |
| oddtruncheon | Thanks again. | 07:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's up elnino? | 07:45 |
| elnino | I'm installing wre on a zen server. other than that not much. | 07:45 |
| elnino | and you? | 07:46 |
| elnino | busy with bugs? | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I had a look at the matrix version tag bug tonight | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure that the autocommit of the CS is a bug | 07:46 |
| elnino | well, when I create a cs, I have to commit it in order to make posts. but I can see how it can be argued both ways. | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but there was definitely a bug with trying to delete a CS from a matrix listing that had already been deleted | 07:46 |
| elnino | but I guess (and maybe I didnt' mention this) the matrix wasn't supposed to be open to visitors, and according to the perms, it is not. | 07:47 |
| elnino | so that should not even have happened at all. And because it did happen, | 07:47 |
| elnino | I would have thought it would have "stoppped" the process | 07:47 |
| elnino | by preventing th ecs from being autocommitted, when the site is set to not-auto0commit | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the matrix is really old code, and has always autocommitted | 07:49 |
| elnino | it certainly is a slick asset. that's how I found webgui: www.cmsmatrix.org | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | In 7.6, they got rid of the CS and use the new Comments feature, like the bug board and the wiki | 07:50 |
| elnino | OH! | 07:50 |
| elnino | that's good to know. | 07:50 |
| elnino | we heavily use CS. | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | No, just for the Matrix | 07:50 |
| elnino | oh. good. you scared me. | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | so, instead of a full CS for each listing, there are just comments | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I've looked at the listing save code, and it looks pretty solid | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | are you sure this isn't the case where your marketing people turned off the protection settings? | 07:54 |
| elnino | no, that is where I first looked, the perms are set correctly. | 07:54 |
| elnino | I have a feeling the visiter knew the correct url parameters. | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | return $i18n->get('no edit rights') unless (($self->session->form->process("listingId") eq "new" && $self->session->user->isInGroup($self->get("groupToAdd"))) || $self->session->user->userId eq $listing->{maintainerId} || $self->canEdit); | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | every one of those is group or userId protected | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | if a new listing, then user must be in the groupToAdd group | 07:56 |
| elnino | I didn't check to see if visitor was added to the marketin group. I can do that.. however they don't have permissions to modify users or groups... or they shouldn't.... | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'll double check that each of those groups actually exists | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | to make sure it's as good as it looks | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, there's an easy check | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | can you still add a Matrix listing on your site as visitor? | 07:58 |
| elnino | I removed the link from the template. Let me reset it... | 08:00 |
| elnino | well. hmm. | 08:01 |
| elnino | I made it so it wasn't visible. so it's telling me now what I don't have permission to add anything. So now I have to make it visible. hold on | 08:01 |
| elnino | and it may have been totalled screwed up with the cs's deleted.. so it's not exactly the same test.. | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I just added a Matrix to my dev sit | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and if I try to access the screen directly, it tells me that I don't rights to edit this listing. | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | as Visitor | 08:03 |
| elnino | I just don't know how to explain how the visitor was able to create a listing.. =( I have 7.5.24.... | 08:04 |
| elnino | I can't duplicate either. Could it be that vistor as a password someone knows? I'm trying to think of all options... | 08:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have a quick peek at the 7.5.24 version of the matrix. | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the same as in 7.5.38 (and 39) | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and the version tags for the CS'es were owned by Visitor? | 08:08 |
| elnino | yes. | 08:08 |
| elnino | but they are deleted, so I can't double check.. =( | 08:09 |
| +perlDreamer | does your site allow anonymous registration? | 08:09 |
| elnino | that's fine. I guess I wouldn't spend more time on it. I don't even know why it was put on the website in the first place. the marketing group a year ago didn't want it up, and the next thing I knew, it was despite the browser incompatiblity issues they found. | 08:09 |
| elnino | hmm. no.. there aren't any users in there that shouldn't be. but Ill double check. | 08:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I was just thinking that is someone could create a user named Visitor... | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and that the Matrix allowed registered users to add matrix listings | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | that would explain what you saw | 08:10 |
| elnino | the visitor there has a uid of 1 | 08:10 |
| elnino | last updated in september. | 08:10 |
| elnino | this all occured on jan 3,4,5,6 | 08:11 |
| elnino | or somethign like that. | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 08:11 |
| elnino | and visitor is not part of any groups. I just double checked. | 08:11 |
| elnino | ah. don't worry about it. If I come accross it again, I'll yell. | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate to miss a chance to find and fix a good bug | 08:12 |
| elnino | yeah, it sound like a good tasty one. | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll report what we talked about, and I was able to fix the delete listing problem | 08:12 |
| elnino | works for me... | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | next time, if you can, just dump the whole db before cleaning up | 08:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that way you can always clone the site for analysis and debug | 08:13 |
| elnino | ok. If I thouht about it I could have gotten the day before's backup. but it's been over a week already. =( or when did I submit the bug? | 08:14 |
| elnino | ad how do I get out of full screen mode?? | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | full screen mode? | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | january 6th | 08:15 |
| +perlDreamer | so maybe not too late? | 08:15 |
| elnino | 14-6=8 too late.. dand | 08:16 |
| elnino | s/dand/dang | 08:16 |
| elnino | just slammed over it couple hours ago. | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, yeah | 08:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm two hours ahead of you | 08:16 |
| elnino | I'm in zen server, staring at a login screenm not knowing my password, full screen, and can't get out.. how embarrassing. | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, try ESC, right click, any of those? | 08:17 |
| elnino | they are all accepted by the linux screen.so I get a bunch of ctrl characters. | 08:18 |
| elnino | hh. Time to go to bed. | 08:18 |
| elnino | I give up. I gues I won't be installing wre. | 08:19 |
| elnino | tee hee! ctrl alt del | 08:19 |
| elnino | actually. ctrl alt | 08:20 |
| +perlDreamer | that worked? | 08:26 |
| elnino | yep. | 08:26 |
| elnino | ctrl-alt goes back and forth. who would have thunk. | 08:27 |
| elnino | I was getting desparate and was going to reboot. | 08:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Full Screen Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F Allows you to toggle between full screen and normal mode. | 08:27 |
| elnino | oh, zen server, it's actually full-screen of the console, which is a only a portion of the zen server app/dialog box. I think what you said would work if I full screened the dialog box. | 08:29 |
| elnino | hopefully that made sense, hard to explain. | 08:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I think I got it | 08:30 |
| * perlDreamer heads to bed. Happy hacking, elnino! | 08:30 | |
| elnino | thanks! | 08:30 |
| elnino | bye! | 08:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9219 /branch/survey-rfe/ (922 files in 446 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Merge commit 'tags/WebGUI_7.6.8-beta' into survey-rfe | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * commit 'tags/WebGUI_7.6.8-beta': (96 commits) | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Release 7.6.8-beta | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: preparing for 7.6.8 release | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: convert to new storage format | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fixing photo comment test | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9220 /branch/survey-rfe/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: Added gotoExpression tests (from flux branch) | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9221 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (administersurvey.js surveyedit.css): More code from flux branch | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9222 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: More minor edits from flux branch | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9223 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a problem where a matrix listing could not be purged if the CS it contained could not | 08:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: be deleted. | 08:34 |
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| wgGuest03 | hi to all, today i explore the world of webgui...i use drupla, joomla adn umbraco and other cms but i don't know perl cms | 15:47 |
| wgGuest03 | is difficult? | 15:47 |
| wgGuest03 | how do i costumize template? | 15:47 |
| wgGuest03 | i figure otu that i have to avoid for the moment the construction of my own template | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | hi c_thomas | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | any questions? | 16:47 |
| c_thomas | I'm just trying to learn how to use this irc thing | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | ah | 16:48 |
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| deafferret | success! | 16:51 |
| +BartJol | thanks | 16:53 |
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| ascii | sup! | 17:11 |
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| +BartJol | pb guys, what's the max upload for the webgui.org bazaar? | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: do you know the max upload size of webgui.org? | 18:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | BartJol: ah, specificially at webgui.org. No idea. | 18:41 |
| @preaction | BartJol: one sec | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | I'll wait | 18:43 |
| @preaction | 100mb, the windows WRE is something like 160MB | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | yes | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | you answer that pots, or will I do that? | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | jt already did | 18:45 |
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| ckotil | i had to crank my max upload to around a gig. people wanted to start uploading cd images to our file repo, which webgui handles. | 18:57 |
| ckotil | and there was talk about dvd images. but i put my foot down on that. | 18:58 |
| +BartJol | ckotil: sounds like a smart move | 19:00 |
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| ckotil | thankfully we only have a single image on their now. windows XP pro corporate edition. | 19:05 |
| ckotil | but when it gets tagged for version control multiple copies are created. | 19:05 |
| ckotil | i have been removing the old versions manually to reduce the size of my webgui installation. | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | that can grow quite some | 19:06 |
| ckotil | oh i lie, we have a few images, but they are small. | 19:06 |
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| ckotil | my source installation is 7.1 gb gzip'd | 19:06 |
| ckotil | db is 120MB | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | mmm, you don't wanna transfer that size of files via http | 19:08 |
| ckotil | no joke. | 19:09 |
| ckotil | i have an rsync cronjob to a hot backup server that also does mysql replication. | 19:09 |
| +BartJol | I'm quite serious actually | 19:09 |
| ckotil | its an efficient rsync. | 19:09 |
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| fxk | hello, I am curious what changes were made to 7.5.38 (using Debian's package) | 19:16 |
| fxk | specifically the "children" in an asset tree are not rendered | 19:17 |
| fxk | in http:www.example.com/file?op=assetManager;method=manage | 19:17 |
| +BartJol | well, the changes are in http://www.webgui.org/getwebgui/advisories/webgui-7_5_38-stable-released#6-8PSMarTGHYuDrHhSPtrw | 19:17 |
| +BartJol | so you mean that you don't see the assets under an asset in the manager? | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | that's probably a config error | 19:18 |
| fxk | I had this error before | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | well what you must do | 19:18 |
| fxk | and I modded the webgui.conf (from the debian package) | 19:18 |
| fxk | and they rendered.... | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | yeah, the operations are in the wrong order | 19:19 |
| fxk | after the update two days ago it ceased | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | I had the same problem | 19:19 |
| fxk | ah | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that problem should be reported to the debian package maintainer | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | there's not much we core devs can do to prevent people from mucking with the config file | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | but is that really the debian package? I thought it was due to the upgrade script | 19:20 |
| +BartJol | otherwise I'll have to bash Koen | 19:20 |
| +BartJol | I thought only the wre was packaged for OS's | 19:21 |
| +BartJol | fxk: it didn't fix itself right? | 19:23 |
| +BartJol | that would be strange with such an error | 19:23 |
| fxk | thing Debian never mucks around with /etc | 19:23 |
| fxk | I am looking for the "correct order" of content handlers | 19:24 |
| fxk | to test | 19:24 |
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| +BartJol | WebGUI.conf.original | 19:24 |
| +BartJol | in WebGUI/etc | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | if that's not in Debian, you can get a copy of it here: | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/branch/WebGUI_7.5/etc/WebGUI.conf.original | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | I haven't had problems that the original conf file wasn't there | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | you've used the Debian package? | 19:26 |
| +BartJol | mmm, maybe should doublecheck that\ | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | fxk, I've had what sounds like a similar problem intermittently. | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I get an Asset Manager screen, with no children displayed | 19:28 |
| fxk | that is the order in the Debian Package | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it's usually do to a problem getting AJAX data from the server quickly | 19:28 |
| fxk | my fix before was to add WebGUI::Content::AssetManager in the utilityAssets | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "contentHandlers" : [ | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Prefetch", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Maintenance", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Referral", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::AssetManager", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::AssetDiscovery", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::AjaxI18N", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Account", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Operation", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Setup", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Shop", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::SiteIndex", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::Asset", | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | "WebGUI::Content::NotFound" | 19:30 |
| +BartJol | this is my order and it works | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | usually better to paste that, BartJol. | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that way people can copy and paste | 19:31 |
| +BartJol | ok, wait a minute | 19:31 |
| +BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m465c3a8a | 19:31 |
| +BartJol | but this way, it looks like I can type really fast | 19:32 |
| +BartJol | and don't forget to restart modperl ;) | 19:34 |
| +BartJol | arg, I must admit, that is 7.6.8 | 19:35 |
| +BartJol | sorry fxk | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | fxk, what exactly do you see when you don't see children? Are there any webgui.log error messages? | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | is it consistently not displayed, or random | 19:38 |
| fxk | it is consistently not displaying since the update two days ago | 19:39 |
| +BartJol | I updated it in the pastebin | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, next step is to check the webgui.log file next for errors | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | consistent bugs are easier to fix | 19:40 |
| +BartJol | but I've gotta get some food, success | 19:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | fxk, I created a WebGUI demo site, and the asset manager is working there. | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you can see it if you wish | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1231954298_81/home?op=assetManager | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | standard admin login and password | 19:43 |
| fxk | symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible | 19:44 |
| fxk | in error logs | 19:44 |
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| fxk | in /usr/share/webgui/extras/yui/build | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | can you pastebin that for me? http://webgui.pastebin.com | 19:45 |
| fxk | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m33ece5a8 | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | does that link exist on your system? | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | readable by web server, apache config configured for links, etc.? | 19:49 |
| fxk | it exists.... but is a symbolic link to noplace | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that's your problem then | 19:50 |
| fxk | your comments did shed light | 19:51 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9224 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: Update POD about getKeywordsForAsset. | 19:51 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9225 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Mirror the indent loop calculation to the rel_depth in the Navigation. | 19:51 |
| CIA-35 | WebGUI: colin * r9226 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backport Navigation reldepth fix. | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | so, it seems like we need to do 2 things | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) find out if that file exists so you can fix your site | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) report it to the debian package maintainer | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have locate installed on your system? | 19:51 |
| fxk | I do now | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay :) | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | run updatedb | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | then do: locate assetManager.js | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll be able to find the real path that the symbolic needs from that | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know how to report it to the debian package maintainer, but he does show up in channel every so often. | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | there must be a contact email or something in the .deb? | 19:55 |
| fxk | I found his e-mail address and will shoot him a note | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Ernesto is a nice guy | 19:55 |
| fxk | pretty sure he will want to know | 19:55 |
| fxk | about this | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and many other WebGUI Debian package users, too | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back in 20 or so | 20:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, any releases this week? | 20:52 |
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| @Haarg | nope | 20:53 |
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| * perlDreamer goes running, then do the dentist | 21:20 | |
| +perlDreamer | be back much later this afternoon | 21:20 |
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| elnino | hi. just wondering if there is a manual way to do the ./wreconsole.pl step when installing wre. | 22:15 |
| elnino | nevermind | 22:52 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: arjan * r9227 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/ukplayer/slideShow.swf): fixed #9264: new slideShow.swf uploaded in extras/ukplayer (United Knowledge/Arjan Widlak) | 01:54 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9228 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:54 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where default PayDrivers have two labels, one in the db, and one | 01:54 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: in the JSON. The one in the db is not used anywhere in the system. Remove | 01:54 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: it, and upgrade existing drivers to place their labels into the JSON. Updated | 01:54 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: tests as well. | 01:54 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer perlmonkey2: I'm back! | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | how is the 7.5 WRE setup coming? | 01:55 |
| daviddelikat | I'm still trying to get this 7.5 backport thing going | 01:55 |
| daviddelikat | hard to tell | 01:56 |
| daviddelikat | I got my vm reverted, pm2 said he dup'd the whole data directory, so I was going to go all the way and I need to know what versipon of wre to put in the 7.5 copy | 01:57 |
| daviddelikat | can i just copy wre from my beta data dir? | 01:57 |
| daviddelikat | or do i need to checkout a different version? | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you can use the same WRE | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | version | 01:58 |
| daviddelikat | do i need to add a domain directory or is that created by the addsite script? | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you probably need to setup a basic one | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know if the WRE will make that for you or not | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | there's an easy way to find out :) | 02:00 |
| daviddelikat | yeah thats what im working on ... | 02:01 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: i've got the 7.5 code in place but something seems to be missing | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | what's happening? | 02:14 |
| daviddelikat | when I try the addsite it tells me that mysql is down | 02:14 |
| daviddelikat | i can start mysql with the beta data dir but not with the 7.5 dir | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | this is inside of PB's VM, right? | 02:15 |
| daviddelikat | yes | 02:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | any error messages or log file messages that might help narrow it down? | 02:23 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm trying to remember where mysql logs are | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | /data/wre/var/logs | 02:24 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I know a _little_ about the WRE, but not always enough to be helpful. | 02:25 |
| daviddelikat | mysql logs are not there | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | can you find the my.cnf file in the VM? It will tell where it's logging to | 02:28 |
| daviddelikat | would that be in wre? | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | /data/wre/etc/my.cnf | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and it may not be logging | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if perlmonkey2 meant that he duplicated /data, or just the www directory for the 7.5 site? | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | no he said he had fo copies of the data directory(and he named them... all started with 'data') | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | when you type perl wreservice.pl --start mysql it doesn't start? | 02:33 |
| daviddelikat | correct | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and you sourced the setupenvironment.sh script? | 02:34 |
| daviddelikat | pretty sure it's automatic, wreservice wouldn't run so easily if i hadn't | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | how about looking inside there, and finding the commands that it handles and doing them manually on the command line to see what's going on? | 02:36 |
| daviddelikat | sounds good. I'm not having any luck with the log file | 02:36 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9229 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm t/Shop/Pay.t): Also update Shop/Pay.pm for the removal of the extra label. | 02:47 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9230 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): | 02:47 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Forward port the PayDriver bug fixes from 7.5 branch. Labels are always | 02:47 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: taken consistently from the JSON blob, and not a mixture of the two. | 02:47 |
| daviddelikat | here is the output from the startup script | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat | Manager of pid-file quit without updating file. | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat | is it likely ther is a pidfile that needs to be deleted? | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Googling for that | 02:51 |
| daviddelikat | me2 | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | try touching /var/run/mysqld.pid | 02:55 |
| daviddelikat | nope | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | more digging | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | is there anything interesting in /data/wre/var/mysqldata? | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | like a .pid file? | 02:57 |
| daviddelikat | no pid file, but there is an error log. looks like mysqld might be running. | 03:00 |
| daviddelikat | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d77711f7e | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | what does ps say? | 03:03 |
| daviddelikat | well its hard to read | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | ps -ef | grep mysql | 03:03 |
| daviddelikat | i did that... | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry | 03:04 |
| daviddelikat | sok, theres lots of stuff with 'mysql' in it but they look to me like scripts, theres no 'mysqld' which is what i'm mused to seeing, 'course that means nothing really | 03:05 |
| daviddelikat | so I have my beta version linked, I stopped everything | 03:06 |
| daviddelikat | i should be able to like the other directory and start everything, yes? | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds good to me | 03:06 |
| daviddelikat | I'm going to change wre to a link because this is not working | 03:07 |
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| daviddelikat | go figure, it works... | 03:09 |
| daviddelikat | now for a new site | 03:09 |
| daviddelikat | oye | 03:11 |
| daviddelikat | no admin bar | 03:11 |
| daviddelikat | im going to break for dinner | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 03:12 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: sorry to drag you into this, but it just is not working | 03:47 |
| daviddelikat | i am still trying to get a 7.5 copy of WebGUI running | 03:47 |
| daviddelikat | I currently can't start modproxy | 03:52 |
| daviddelikat | heres the log | 03:52 |
| daviddelikat | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d460939f9 | 03:52 |
| patspam | daviddelikat: looks like something is already bound to port 80 | 03:53 |
| daviddelikat | any idea what to look for? | 03:54 |
| patspam | what OS are you running? | 03:54 |
| daviddelikat | linux -- vm download from the WebGUI site upgraded for development. | 03:54 |
| patspam | start with: pgrep httpd | 03:54 |
| daviddelikat | I've had everything up and running here, but I need to backport a fix so I need to have 7.5 online for testing | 03:55 |
| daviddelikat | and it just is not cooperating | 03:55 |
| patspam | you probably just need to forcefully close the existing modproxy process and then start it again | 03:56 |
| patspam | try also: ps aux | grep http | 03:56 |
| patspam | rebooting would probably solve it too | 03:56 |
| daviddelikat | yeah, theres a couple dozen modproxy's running are they stalled? should I kill them? | 03:57 |
| patspam | you're using the wre yeah? | 03:58 |
| patspam | try using wreservice.pl to stop them first | 03:58 |
| daviddelikat | yes, wreservice.pl --stop modproxy | 03:58 |
| daviddelikat | Stop mod_proxy: OK -- and there still running | 03:58 |
| patspam | do the same for modperl | 03:59 |
| patspam | and then failing that, I'd just kill them | 03:59 |
| patspam | pkill httpd | 03:59 |
| patspam | or more rudely: pkill -9 httpd | 03:59 |
| daviddelikat | when all else fails... | 04:02 |
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| daviddelikat | yay! its working! | 04:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: still need any help? | 04:37 |
| daviddelikat | no, I think I have it, I'm going to do some real work for a while then i'll test it and then I'll post it to the wiki | 04:38 |
| daviddelikat | 8 steps to a new site with a different version | 04:39 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9231 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 05:37 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: backported bug 9428; Asset::get now includes | 05:37 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: keywords when no property is named | 05:37 |
| elnino | that's interesting... when using wre, do you use the same uploads location across all sites? I have a manual install, and it looks like I either choose to keep them separate, or that's how it happened. | 05:53 |
| SDuensin | elnino - Extras is the same. The sites all keep their uploaded stuff in their own folders. | 05:57 |
| elnino | when I look at /data/webgui/www/uploads I only see the two character directory names, whereas on my manual install, I have multiple uploads directorys under a parent directory for the domain. | 05:58 |
| elnino | I'm thinkin *I* did that during my manual installl.. | 05:59 |
| SDuensin | Yea, that's my guess. | 05:59 |
| elnino | I have in my manual install - /data/domains/domainname.com/ and then either uploads and extras if it's a webgui site, and public if it's an apache site. | 06:00 |
| elnino | So now that I'm going to wre, where would I put my static sites files? | 06:00 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: here is the steps I came up with to switch sites/versions: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/multi-version-multi-site | 06:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: sweet, very nice | 06:07 |
| elnino | never mind, I was looking at the wrong directories (I think) | 06:07 |
| estiven | mm, excelent | 06:08 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: let me know if you try it... | 06:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: I didn't see the script | 06:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: but I don't see why it wouldn't work. | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat | you have to go to the edit tab to see the script. how are file attachements supposed to work? | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | i see they have been removed from the beta verion | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | versiob | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | version | 06:13 |
| * daviddelikat tired | 06:14 | |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: i just nailed a Survey js memory leak | 06:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: sweet. What was it? | 06:21 |
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| elnino | hi. I just attempted to move a manual instll of webgui to wre. I'm unable to restart mod_perl because in the logs, it's trying to load my custom macros, but I didn't add them to my conf file yet. Does wre try to load them any because they are in the WebGUI etc directory? | 07:07 |
| elnino | that what it sure looks like. | 07:07 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: patspam * r9232 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (editsurvey.js editsurvey/object.js): | 11:27 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Fixed a few js memory leaks in EditSurvey page (SimpleEditor appears to | 11:27 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: have a memory leak of its own which we either need to get fixed or | 11:27 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: work-around). | 11:27 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: patspam * r9233 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js: Removed unused function from editsurvey.js | 11:27 |
| +BartJol | fxk: did you fix your problem with the asset manager yesterday? | 12:18 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: yung * r9235 /branch/survey-rfe/ (5 files in 4 dirs): rfe 9200: Survey Text/TextArea handling | 16:40 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone. Happy new year. | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | hi! | 16:46 |
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| wgGuest71 | hello, i wanna install and try out webGUI | 17:16 |
| wgGuest71 | but i'm running windows 2003 server w/ apache | 17:16 |
| wgGuest71 | is that possible? i couldn't figure out which package to download | 17:16 |
| @preaction | wgGuest71: you can download the windows WRE, or the vmware appliance. or you can try to install from source | 17:17 |
| wgGuest71 | i can't find the windows WRE | 17:17 |
| wgGuest71 | i want to try to avoid using vmware or installing from source, as they look hard to do (is it?) | 17:20 |
| @preaction | wgGuest71: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913 <- WRE 0.8.3 has a windows version, but that is the last version | 17:20 |
| wgGuest71 | windows XP version... would that work on windows 2003 server running apache? | 17:21 |
| wgGuest71 | is 8.5 much improved over 8.3? | 17:21 |
| @preaction | there are bugfixes and other such, but mostly bugfixes | 17:22 |
| wgGuest71 | so xp version will work w/ server 2003 running apache? | 17:23 |
| @preaction | wgGuest71: i cant say yes or no, try it perhaps? | 17:26 |
| wgGuest71 | ok thanks | 17:26 |
| wgGuest71 | if i wanted to run it on vmware... how do i do that? i've no experience with that. thanks | 17:32 |
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| topsub | wre .8.5 + ubuntu jeos play nice together | 18:02 |
| AMH_bob | sweet | 18:03 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: yung * r9236 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Rfe 9201: Make Survey textAreas yui resizable | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | does anyone know who henryykt is on webgui.org? | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | He submitted a patch to fix a bug, and I'd like to credit him in the changelog | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | his profile isn't public, though | 18:33 |
| danny_mk | hello everyone, is there a macro that attaches a yui popup calendar to an input text field? | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but you can use Form/Date or Form/DateTime | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're writing code from scratch | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the profile system would let you choose that field from its list of fields | 18:34 |
| danny_mk | I have one written that I use on some of my sites but did not want to put it in the bazaar if we already had this functionality in WebGUI | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds cool to me. I'd upload it. | 18:39 |
| danny_mk | OK | 18:42 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9237 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm): Fix Shelf, displays self instead of children shelves. | 18:45 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9238 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm): Forward port Shelf view fix. Was not displaying child shelves, only self. | 18:45 |
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| @bopbop | perlDreamer: I searched for that user account, but no results returned | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It's this guy: | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/sql-questoion-user-login-frequency/1?op=viewProfile;uid=9Rn18Yu9db2gcdLbhBcdCg | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it might be AMH_Henry | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | but I left him a note and let him know that I wanted to credit him for the bug fix | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | (in the bug, since his account is private) | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for searching, bopop | 19:30 |
| SquOnk | So, when will the next WUC be held? | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | In September | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe the 12th-15th | 19:41 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hah. | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, have you been contacted about the Debian package bug? | 19:41 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I was contacted yesterday about a broken symlink. | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 19:41 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Issued a patched 7.5.38 last night. | 19:42 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: (For Sid and Lenny :-) | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | The user sounded like he was going to do it, I just wanted to make sure you got all the info | 19:42 |
| * SquOnk wonder if the NFL schedule is out, and if there's a Bears-Packers game in Green Bay those days | 19:42 | |
| SquOnk | Heh | 19:42 |
| SquOnk | I went to Chicago once, and got to see a thriller Cubs-Cardinals (Let's go Cubs!) | 19:43 |
| SquOnk | I went to Boston once, and got to see a Bruins-Sabres | 19:43 |
| SquOnk | I went to LA once, and got to see a Dodgers-Giants | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm seeing a trend here | 19:43 |
| SquOnk | ...so if I go close to Green Bay, I must see a Bears-Packers game... | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | well, Madison is home to the University of Wisconsin, so maybe you need to see a college football game? | 19:44 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: That would be good too... | 19:44 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...but I'm also a Bears fan, so bear with me (pun intended) | 19:44 |
| * perlDreamer has great patience for the sports-minded | 19:45 | |
| +perlDreamer | just don't spew beer on me | 19:45 |
| SquOnk | I don't throw beer around... | 19:46 |
| SquOnk | ...that's one of the reasons I don't go to stadiums _here_ | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | spew usually means to be sprayed from the mouth | 19:46 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: In my case, once beer gets in my mouth, it's going down. | 19:47 |
| SquOnk | I was watching a baseball game last night, while hacking... | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent. (on both notes :) | 19:47 |
| SquOnk | ...is playoff season here, but my team is out, so I was only routing for our rivals to lose miserably | 19:47 |
| SquOnk | ...the game ended with a standoff two-out homer. | 19:47 |
| SquOnk | It actually rained beer | 19:48 |
| SquOnk | Disgusting | 19:48 |
| SquOnk | Everyone hates Leones del Caracas (Caracas' Lions, literally), and they lost in a western province that has a special hate for them... | 19:48 |
| SquOnk | ...they were throwing beer up, down, right, left... and the players had to wait to get into the dugout until the fans ran out of beer to throw at them | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and I thought the soccer fans were crazy | 19:49 |
| SquOnk | You guess why beer is served in plastic glases here :-) | 19:49 |
| SquOnk | I used to got to the stadium regularly to watch Navegantes-Leones (it's our version of Red Sox-Yankees) | 19:50 |
| SquOnk | ...but fans got real bad at beer and food throwing I chose not to go anymore. | 19:50 |
| @bopbop | Squonk: WUC is Sept. 9-11; NFL schedule doesn't come out until April, I don't think | 19:51 |
| @bopbop | Badger games, in Madison, are definitely a good time | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | September 12, they're playing Fresno | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | at home | 19:54 |
| SquOnk | Sounds good | 19:55 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9239 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Workflow.pm: Fix a typo typo in the Operation/Workflow POD. | 20:13 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:15 | |
| * deafferret gets fatter | 20:56 | |
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| * Mech4221 crawls out from under his rock | 21:46 | |
| Mech4221 | hope everyone had a good holidays... | 21:47 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: doug * r9240 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #4137: Calendar Search page has extra head tags in body | 22:35 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: doug * r9241 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merged 9240 | 22:35 |
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| diakopter | perlDreamer: what's a typo typo | 23:00 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: doug * r9242 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.conf: disabled ETags in new WRE installs | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | diakopter, it's when someone repeats the same word twice, like Display display | 23:19 |
| diakopter | perlDreamer: oh, cool | 23:23 |
| diakopter | glad I asked :) | 23:23 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: graham * r9243 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.template: fix and clean up modproxy template | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | deafferret, no worries. I went out for pizza after the gym, so you're off the hook. | 01:13 |
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| deafferret | perlDreamer: ya, but then I ate that 5 gallon drum of lard, so you're up again | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | oy, back to the gym | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | In come the Australians! | 01:29 |
| patspam | *waves* | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Good morning, guys | 01:30 |
| patspam | morning perlDreamer | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a good day to be at home, and not flying to Seattle from New York. | 01:33 |
| patspam | you cancelled a trip? | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | No, an airplane went down in the Hudson River in New York. | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Everyone survived, but still, what a ride. | 01:34 |
| patspam | oh crap | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | They hit a bird, and it took out two engines | 01:35 |
| patspam | no kidding | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Seriously, man | 01:35 |
| patspam | poor bird! | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, and I thought the passengers had it bad. | 01:35 |
| patspam | i spent yesterday finding js memory leaks, so i can sympathise with the bird | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I saw all those commits | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | you mentioned that the Editor itself leaks? | 01:37 |
| patspam | yeah, i have a script that makes it leak 5Mb/sec, but waiting to get confirmation from Dave Glass | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Should the other fixes that you committed to survey_rfe be added to core, as well? | 01:41 |
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| patspam | definitely, although I was just going to do it all at once when the feature-freeze is lifted because the js files have been refactored considerably | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 01:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay | 01:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | draggable is done except for keyboard commands, and nobody used though, right? | 01:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | morning | 01:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | just saw photos of that plane in the hudson | 02:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://twitpic.com/135xa | 02:00 |
| deafferret | 12 in hospital. everyone ok | 02:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, airplanes float? | 02:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and how did it get into the water so slowly that it didnt' fly apart? | 02:01 |
| deafferret | water shallow there | 02:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well that's good for misplaced airplanes :P | 02:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But really, this is like some sort of miracle. Airplanes usually become shredded aluminum shortly after contact with water. Those people are some of the luckiest ever. | 02:02 |
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| deafferret | oh crap. I was wrong http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/01/15/us/20090115-PLANECRASH_4.html | 02:03 |
| deafferret | it sank eventually. how'd it float? | 02:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was thinking the baggage compartment must be semi-water tight. | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but it was full of fuel, and the passenger compartment doors were open | 02:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Wow, that plane was actually in the air flying, and then the pilot managed to land it slow enough that it didn't come apart in the water. He obviously has the skills to go straight to space shuttle pilot. | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so there's really no other air pocket large enough to make the plane buoyant enough to float that long | 02:06 |
| deafferret | floated for two or three minutes before it started to sink as it drifted downstream, its nose poking up. .It didn.t break up at all,. Mr. Duckworth said. .Everything you could see looked perfectly intact, like you could take it out of the water and fly it. | 02:07 |
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| deafferret | amazing | 02:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: well, most flights don't fill up the fuel tanks completely. So I would assume they would be have air as the difference. | 02:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | then the baggage compartment and any nooks and crannies. | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 02:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I just can't get over that it touched down in water and didn't just come apart. | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought it floated longer than that | 02:13 |
| deafferret | ya, I would have thought the damn thing would have disintegrated | 02:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | There's that footage on and Indonesian boeing trying to land in the sea and it basically just explodes. | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | funny how quickly infinite loops heat up your laptop | 02:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so...does the drag and drop need to include the hot keys? Do they even work? | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | which drag and drop? | 02:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | javascript draggable for Layout | 02:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've rewritten it, but haven't added back int eh keys | 02:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and really really dont' want to do it. Painful enough wrapping the old stuff around YUI :D Plus I'm probably just lazy. | 02:16 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: when I added the changelog entry for the bug i just fixed i put it after the line that says 7.5.39 -- was that the wrong place to put it? | 02:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: that's where it goes | 02:25 |
| daviddelikat | ok, next question | 02:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | should look just like the entries in 7.5.38 | 02:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | below it | 02:25 |
| daviddelikat | I'm looking at the bug fix I just finished 'sno' and 'elnino' posted some questions about it | 02:26 |
| daviddelikat | one was whether it had been put into the CORE; that would be the 7.5 version; yes? | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | which bug? | 02:26 |
| daviddelikat | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9428 | 02:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: well core can refer to 7.5 or 7.6, but that means in the build of WebGUI. | 02:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | like, is part of the main package. | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa may have been testing on 7.5 | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | has the bug been patched and tested in both branches? | 02:28 |
| daviddelikat | I have tested both 7.5 and 7.6 | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 02:29 |
| daviddelikat | I guess the answer is that right now it is not in CORE but will be soon? | 02:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: the easter egg is what combination of [38,40,37,39,66,65] summed adds up to 38403840373937396665 | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, 7.6 is core | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.5 is core | 02:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: if you've done svn ci to either the main 7.5 or 7.6 branch, I'd say that is in core. | 02:30 |
| daviddelikat | so I really need to get in touch with them and see what happened that it did not work for them. | 02:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I've got a trace at the top of the key event in draggable and nothign. | 02:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | anyone have a different browser they'd test this for me on? | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | what browser do you have? | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | im firefox on xp ( of course ie as well... ) | 02:32 |
| daviddelikat | do you have a link? | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's fairly easy to write code, but writing the code to install it everywhere is a pain | 02:35 |
| daviddelikat | what is it your testing? | 02:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, I surrender for the evening. | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | with a few lines of hackery, you can use HTMLForm's dynamic form builder with Crud | 02:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9244 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Updated draggable.js to wrap the YUI | 02:50 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9245 /WebGUI/www/extras/draggable.js: whups, left in console.logs | 02:50 |
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| daviddelikat | is there any way to force a piece of WebGUI cache to expire? | 05:04 |
| daviddelikat | can i just delete it? | 05:04 |
| estiven | yes | 05:08 |
| estiven | you can delete it in the /tmp/ | 05:08 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 05:09 |
| estiven | the path is /tmp/WebGUICache | 05:10 |
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| daviddelikat | im working on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9455 | 05:38 |
| daviddelikat | if the description in an RSS feed is blank (or any other field i'd guess) | 05:38 |
| daviddelikat | XML::FeedPP returns an empty array rather than an empty string | 05:39 |
| daviddelikat | this causes the filter function to get a single parameter which is the 'type' of filtering it | 05:39 |
| daviddelikat | is supposed to do. | 05:40 |
| daviddelikat | the simple solution is to wrap the first parameter in scalar(...) to change the context | 05:40 |
| daviddelikat | makes it look messy if they all need it | 05:40 |
| daviddelikat | any comments? | 05:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | from where? | 06:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | amazon | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that is awesome! | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | totally pixellated | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | what power is this? | 06:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, I have shots of my pillow seeing if there are bed bugs, I have a movie of a sweat gland on my wrist working, being totally disgusting. | 06:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that is 400x | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | for $20? | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | it is a gun with an LCD on it, and does 100-200-400 | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the lcd isn't bad | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | also came with a usb 16mb fob. | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | all for $20. | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | totally nuts | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | jpegs and avi's. | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I should or ordered 5 of them, but I didn't think it would be worth even $20. Little did I know I'd pay a heck of a lot more for this. | 06:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: here's my pillow: http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic002vg3.jpg | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | looks clear to me, no wigglies | 06:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: since I ordered it, amazon marked it up to $26. Still a great buy :P | 06:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: EyeClops BioniCam at amazon if you think you or your kids my have fun with it. | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, yeah | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I've heard of that | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | does it work with Linux? | 06:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | it doesn't need anything external | 06:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | have an av output, but also has a built in lcd and saves to a usb fob. | 06:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | which is just fat and readable by linux. | 06:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've played the movie avi's in linux without issue. | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought there was a version where it had to connect to windows | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but obviously I'm thinking of something else | 06:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, as far as I know, the serious digital microscopes all require MS. | 06:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but then again, they cost more than $20 :P | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed, or $27 | 06:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, they marked it up | 06:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: but here's the question. What kind of chip could they have on there fast enough to read from a camera and right to an lcd or usb? | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be buffered for several milliseconds | 06:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm trying to remember, but I thought most cameras had to be read at something like 60hz. | 06:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I don't think cheap cameras have buffers. Just the latest frame. | 06:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and you have to read that frame before the next one shows up. | 06:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so you're reading parallel data of a 1280x1024 jpeg once every 60 seconds. But you're also writing it out another connection in that same time also. | 06:42 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That's 56Kb completely moved 30 times a second. I'd think just the circuit to do that would cost more than $20. | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | 60 Hz = 16 milliseconds | 06:43 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm.....then it must only pull high rez jpegs when you hit the picture button. For the LCD real time view, the camera must be sending 320x240 or smaller. | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | can you download anything other than JPEG's? | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | like bitmaps? | 06:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | AVI's | 06:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | nothing raw | 06:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or non-compressed | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the chip also does runtime JPEG/AVI encoding | 06:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that would greatly reduce the data rate | 06:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've seen a camera that does raw and onboard jpg, so I don't see why avi is out of the question. | 06:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | maybe tha tis what is sent to the lcd. if the camera was sending low rez avi to the chip, that could be managable. | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 06:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but still....and 8 bit 20mhz chip would be running against the wall to do this. | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | not if it had a hardware encoder | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | if it was encoding in software, then yeah | 06:48 |
| @perlmonkey2 | really? I'd think it would be running against the wall just to move the data. | 06:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | without doing anthing but reading from this pin and immediately writing to that pin. | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | how big are the JPEGs? | 06:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 16ms to read the frame. But since you can't store 56KB in sram, you've got to send it out also. So 16ms to read and write 56KB. | 06:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | they are 56KB. | 06:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | about | 06:50 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So you need an effective throughput on both ports at the same time of 3.3MBs | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but then again, perhaps the AVI's are much much reduce. | 06:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | reduced. | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | if the machine was 8 bit | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and it took 2 instructions to move the data from port 1 to port 2 | 06:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay the avi is 320x240 jpg | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | then it would only have to run a 7 MHz | 06:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, but the buses | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and port transfers are often 1 instruction | 06:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the chip can do it, but it has to communicate with other devices. I guess a 1mbps uart could do it. | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | USB is natively 12 MHz | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but then again, I'm not sure how to read from parallel on 8 bit. | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd get a data strobe telling you when to latch it on the input buffers | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 386's did this 20 years ago | 06:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | say you had an atmega644p with two uarts. would you use one uart for the data? Or can you not mix serial and parallel? | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, it probably has a dedicated port for the memory | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the uart would only be good for serializing/deserializing data. | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | like an 8051 | 07:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, so much to learn, perlDreamer, so little time. | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | the micros usually have several 8 bit ports, and a UART (for serial communication) or USB, or SPI, I2C, JTAG, SMB | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I happen to very familiar with the 1 bit UARTs, like the Dallas 1-wire interface | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | very slow, very low bandwidth, very low power | 07:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'd think being slow, they'd use more power. | 07:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the lower the baud, the lower the rate, so the longer you spend sending data. | 07:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | or low power in that they are 0-1.8v or something? | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it can run on as low as 1.8V, but most digital power consumption is capacitive charging and discharging | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | power = frequency * capacitance * voltage^2 | 07:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what did you mean by p-data would have a dedicated port going directly into memory? | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | say the CPU had two 8-bit ports | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | one for sending address data, the other for reading/writing data | 07:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | like an I/O pin? | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but it sets of 8/12/16 etc | 07:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've read a little about the p-date protocol, and it seems somewhat similiar to serial, except it only allows for synchronized comm. And usually the chip has to provide the clock. | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: ahg, forgot to contact that guy for you today. I'll try again tomorrow. | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 'alright. I'm swimming in work right now. | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | today, I figured out how to automatically build edit forms from Crud objects | 07:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, read about your easy hack. | 07:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | very sweet. | 07:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, "easy" is your word. I think it was pretty clever. | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I wish I'd built the dynamicForm generator a little more flexibly | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and not requiring an object to be passed in | 07:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | anyone gone to 7.6 head and tried to drag something? | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | nope, should I? | 07:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if you want to see teh sexy, then sure. | 07:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, how do you remove the bloopers from the svn log. or how to commit without a mesage? | 07:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I see my mistake ci was removed from teh log | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it's seems smoother and faster | 07:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | woot | 07:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the power of YUI. | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't know the calendar has drag and drop | 07:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | is it YUI? | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 07:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, no Calendar js in extras? | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Calendar came out of a different commit | 07:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | alright, enough fun for me. | 07:23 |
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| PeteBen | hi guys anyone seen SynQ? | 10:08 |
| ryuu_ro | not yet, he normally arrives at procolix in an hour or so | 10:10 |
| PeteBen | ok thanks ... I will wait until later :) | 10:10 |
| ryuu_ro | when he comes in i tell him that you were looking for him, cheers | 10:11 |
| PeteBen | thanks | 10:12 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: martin * r9246 /experimental/Bazaar/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 14:10 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: - Templated search screen. | 14:10 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: - Added option to allow only vendors to upload items. | 14:10 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: - Added a toggle to (dis)allow vendors to change their data through the bazaarItem edit screen. | 14:10 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: NOTE: DB Schema changed: additional fields have been added to the bazaar table. | 14:10 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: yung * r9247 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: applied changes for rfe 9200 to later version of object.js | 16:45 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Good morning! | 18:05 |
| JohnRestrepo | Or Afternoon | 18:05 |
| +BartJol | afternoon for me | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | But welcome | 18:06 |
| JohnRestrepo | jeje thanks | 18:06 |
| JohnRestrepo | I have questions about the gallery | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | go ahead | 18:07 |
| JohnRestrepo | Is there a way to see the photos of an album? | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | sure, that's what it's made for | 18:07 |
| JohnRestrepo | I mean, when I click on an album, I see it's info | 18:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, I need some svn help here. I know I submitted an update removing some console.log statements from an commit I did a few minutes before. But now in the repos, I don't see that version. | 18:08 |
| +BartJol | JohnRestrepo: When I click on the thumbnail of the album, I get redirected to the photos | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: which branch did you commit to? | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | but oviously that doesn't work for you | 18:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So I'm trying to create a patch file for it, and the patch has the console.logs in it. So this means they are still in the head | 18:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: 7.6head | 18:09 |
| JohnRestrepo | And when I click on the name of the owner, I see his albums and his photos, but not the photos of an album | 18:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 9244 | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | mmm is it public? | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | it can be that something went wrong with importing the photo's | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | I had that once | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/log/ | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it shows up there? | 18:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hmm, actually now I see 9245 now that i'm no longer in the extras folder. But 9245 affected extras. uhg | 18:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, nevermind. Don't know what happened there, but looks good now. Thanks | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | phew :) | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | having the repo go bad is not a good way to end the week | 18:10 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok, what can I do? | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo, is this somewhere public where we can look at it and poke at it? | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Might be a bug | 18:11 |
| JohnRestrepo | Oh no, it's in our servers | 18:12 |
| @Haarg | perlmonkey2, if it wouldn't be too much work, i think it would be better to have the new draggable code in www/extras/yui-webgui/build | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | can you give us a list of steps to reproduce the problem? | 18:13 |
| +BartJol | like how did you add the photo's? via the webinterface or the galleryImport.pl script | 18:13 |
| JohnRestrepo | Via the webinterface | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | so just one at a time? | 18:16 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yes | 18:16 |
| JohnRestrepo | I created the album, and there, I add the photos | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you do next? | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I don't know whether it is necessary to commit the version tag in which the album is | 18:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: okay, I'll move it. | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | like in the CS | 18:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I didn't see that until I jsut sent the patch to the client, but I'll move it real fast. | 18:18 |
| JohnRestrepo | So when I click in the thumbnail of the album it redirect me to the info of the album, there I see thumbnails, slideshow and album | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Bartjol, I think the albums autocommit | 18:18 |
| JohnRestrepo | When I click in thumbnails, I just see the first photo | 18:19 |
| JohnRestrepo | In slideshow I just see the three buttons but they doesn't work | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo, are you using all the core, default templates, and are you viewing as the same user who uploaded the photos? | 18:19 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yes | 18:20 |
| JohnRestrepo | All templates are default | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and this is 7.5 or 7.6? | 18:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Haarg: ah, yui-webgui has asset code in it. Should I put this draggable.js in a Layout folder? | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | that would probably work | 18:20 |
| JohnRestrepo | 7.5 | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | latest stable? | 18:21 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yep | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll make a demo site where we can play and test | 18:22 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok, thanks | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | I'm a bit wondering about what the problem was that I had | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | I think I just did it again | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | but it was some time ago | 18:25 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9248 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Attributions in the changelog for a patch provided to fix a bug. | 18:25 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r9249 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: backporting bug fix attribution. | 18:25 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9250 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Moved draggable.js to extras/yui-webgui/build/layout since it is now a wrapper around YUI dragdrob | 18:25 |
| JohnRestrepo | BartJol you had the same problem? | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but I can't remember what went wrong | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1232122223_979/colin | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | now I can add pictures | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a cold, perlmonkey2? | 18:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh :P | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | I have a cold | 18:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no,but only a single cup of coffee and no breakfast. and I refust to turn up the heat simply because it is freezing outside. | 18:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so myh fringers are frozen :p | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo, can you check out that demo site that I pasted in above? | 18:27 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yes, it works perfect | 18:27 |
| JohnRestrepo | Maybe the problem is the version? | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | so perlDreamer doesn't have the same problem | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo: How about if you create a gallery on that same site? | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | what was the original install version | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that will answer the version question | 18:28 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok, I'll try it | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, my boys are telling us that we each need to get an iPhone 3G. | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder where they got that idea from? | 18:30 |
| @tavisto | from the world | 18:30 |
| @tavisto | iPhones are the bombdiggity | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | not metrosexual? | 18:31 |
| JohnRestrepo | Oh! the server is down | 18:31 |
| JohnRestrepo | I'll be back in a moment | 18:31 |
| @tavisto | super monkey ball | 18:31 |
| @tavisto | Kalamazoo will finally be getting 3G service because AT&T bought Centennial Wireless (a regional carrier around me) | 18:34 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Where can I send you some images | 18:37 |
| JohnRestrepo | Create another gallery didn't work | 18:37 |
| @tavisto | BartJol, the staff liked your cartoon when JT added it to the Plain Black WUC-prep meeting this week | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo, it's the standard Admin username/password | 18:38 |
| +BartJol | ooh, so you distributed it even further | 18:38 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yes, it worked great in the demo you send me | 18:38 |
| JohnRestrepo | But here the problem persist | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Is the album set so that anyone can view the photos? | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | or, are the photos set so that anyone can view them? | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | tavisto: I do claim my copyrights | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | You've got him now, BartJol, hit him with a DMCA lawsuit with intenational copyright violations! | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:43 |
| +BartJol | no, I like him too much (in a platonic way) | 18:44 |
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| JohnRestrepo | My friend is telling me that the version was upgraded from the previous version, maybe that's the problem | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | always keep your guard up with those metro's | 18:44 |
| +BartJol | it can be that the conf file isn't good (or something else might be wrong) | 18:45 |
| JohnRestrepo | I'm gonna test it in a version installed new | 18:48 |
| JohnRestrepo | A 7.5.34 | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.5.34 is kind of old | 18:49 |
| * perlDreamer steps out for a bit | 18:49 | |
| JohnRestrepo | Then, I'll upgrade to 7.5.38 to see if it's an upgrade problem | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | so you'll make an gallery, and album and add photo's before and after upgrading? | 18:50 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yes | 18:50 |
| +BartJol | 7.5.34 was the original version? | 18:50 |
| JohnRestrepo | With the previous try yes | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:51 |
| JohnRestrepo | Sorry | 18:51 |
| JohnRestrepo | No | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | that's ok | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | but that would rule out conf file errors | 18:51 |
| JohnRestrepo | The new site is originaly 7.5.34 | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | and the old site, with the problems? | 18:52 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yes | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | you can find it in the upgrade script, just do: perl upgrade.pl --doit --history | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | oh that script is in WebGUI/sbin | 18:54 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Ok, with the version 7.5.34 works perfect!! | 19:04 |
| JohnRestrepo | Now I'm gonna update to 7.5.38 and see what happens | 19:04 |
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| +BartJol | ok\ | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | but since I'm in Europe, it;s actually beer time for me | 19:10 |
| +BartJol | I think perlDreamerwill be back shortly | 19:11 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Ready! | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | Everything works fine! | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | Now I've got the 7.5.38 version | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | And it goes as it should | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | Thanks a lot | 19:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | jmarsden|work, any news on the JS file with the license issue? | 19:43 |
| jmarsden|work | I've heard nothing from SquOnk, and I've had "real work" stuff keeping me too busy to attempt a re-implementation yet... but it's definitely something I will try when I can make the time. | 19:44 |
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| Lisette | hi, i can do a userDefined of a CS like a <select>? | 23:28 |
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| Lisette | anyone knows about my question? | 23:36 |
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| juan | can i hide some bottoms of the rich editor? | 00:12 |
| @preaction | juan: yes. you can edit what appears on the rich editor | 00:12 |
| juan | where can i edit it? | 00:13 |
| juan | in the admin console? | 00:13 |
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| @preaction | juan: the rich editor is an asset, so you can edit the rich editor asset to edit what shows up | 00:22 |
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| elnino | Hi.! | 00:25 |
| elnino | Just want to confirm some of my ideas. | 00:25 |
| elnino | I'd like to trigger a workflow, can I do that if I write a macro? | 00:26 |
| elnino | and in that work flow, I want to generate a report and export it to html and save it off, I suppose that would all be custom code, right? | 00:26 |
| @Haarg | you could trigger a workflow from a macro, but it's probably a bad idea | 00:26 |
| elnino | oh? please enlighten me. | 00:27 |
| elnino | woudl there be a prefered method? | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | well, it could work under the correct circumstances | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | what action do you want to trigger the workflow? | 00:28 |
| elnino | a approval of a version tag | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | well, you already have a workflow then | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | so you could just write an activity to run as part of that | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | the reporting and such would be custom code | 00:30 |
| elnino | ok. | 00:30 |
| elnino | thanks Haarg! | 00:33 |
| elnino | The other idea, is that I would like slightly modify the look of the right side nav bar (when in asset edit mode) would that require modifying webgui's base code? (I'd like to provide a link to create a new version tag directly from there, when one is already under a version tag, instead of forcing them | 00:40 |
| elnino | to go to admin->versiontags-> create version tag. Just make it a one step for the user. | 00:41 |
| elnino | In fact, that might be a nice rfe... =) | 00:41 |
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| elnino | rfe created (two different ones) | 01:15 |
| elnino | if I want to copy a tree of assets, what type of custom plugin would I need to create? | 01:17 |
| elnino | a form object? | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | copy how? | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | the normal asset toolbar should have an option to copy all children | 01:18 |
| elnino | mostlikely thru the asset manger. | 01:18 |
| elnino | it does? | 01:19 |
| elnino | what version? | 01:19 |
| * elnino looks | 01:19 | |
| @Haarg | 7.5 certainly | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | it isn't in the asset manager though | 01:19 |
| elnino | I have 7.5.24, in "admin off" mode, I clicked on the asset's icon, and don't see the option. and the copy button only does the asset you are clicking on.. Am I in the wrong place? | 01:21 |
| @Haarg | you tried the copy button? | 01:22 |
| @Haarg | on the toolbar, not the context menu | 01:22 |
| elnino | wow. I must not use that button.. =) | 01:23 |
| * elnino is embarrased. | 01:23 | |
| elnino | woudl be easy to add that functionaity in the asset manager? | 01:23 |
| elnino | although, come to think of it, I'm usually in IE, maybe that only works in firefox.. | 01:24 |
| * elnino looks | 01:24 | |
| elnino | ok. you're right! And come to think of it, that may have been my rfe.. | 01:26 |
| * elnino really embarrased. | 01:26 | |
| elnino | so, it looks liek it determines if the asset has children to display that little drop menu. I know I don't copy page layouts much. | 01:26 |
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| elnino | preaction, did you do the talk on workflows at wuc 08? | 01:58 |
| @preaction | yesm | 01:59 |
| elnino | ok. I thought it was...=) | 02:00 |
| elnino | I think one of your examples was having multiple approvers.. I have to go watch the video again.. | 02:00 |
| elnino | i want to commit changes, have it approved by the owner, if the owner isn't in a particular group, it has to thru the "approved" approval group, and it will require at least two approvers in that group. all things are possible right? | 02:02 |
| elnino | s/in that group/from that group | 02:02 |
| @preaction | it's possible, but the current way to do it would allow one person to approve it both times (thus defeating your desire to have two distinct people approve it) | 02:11 |
| elnino | current way = your example from wuc? | 02:12 |
| @preaction | yes | 02:12 |
| elnino | so if I recall, in your example, one disproves, and it moves on to another. | 02:14 |
| elnino | but if the first approves it, the workflow stops. | 02:14 |
| elnino | kinda like "ask mom", "ask dad", "ask mom" till you get a "yes" | 02:14 |
| Lisette | preaction: you answer me? | 02:16 |
| @preaction | that was just one example. what you want would be two "Request approval" activities with the same group, but since the user who approved it the first time is in the same group as needs to approve the second time, they can approve both times | 02:17 |
| elnino | oh i see. ok. | 02:17 |
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| oshani | Hello | 07:34 |
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| OrenShani | Hello? | 09:20 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: I'm working on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9455 | 03:07 |
| daviddelikat | and trying to decide what items ~need~ to be fixed | 03:07 |
| daviddelikat | and which items are more likely to be RFE's | 03:08 |
| daviddelikat | the open office comment issue seems most pressing to me because it will likely become an issue once the product is released. | 03:09 |
| daviddelikat | it is not an issue in the current stable version AFAK | 03:09 |
| daviddelikat | the empty element is cause by the first line of the text being blank, this line is used by WebGUI | 03:11 |
| daviddelikat | to generate the summary text for the RSS feed. | 03:11 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2? | 03:12 |
| daviddelikat | preaction | 03:12 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r9251 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.pm Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm): | 06:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Replaces to_json and from_json with encode_json/decode_json to properly | 06:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: handle non-ascii user input (e.g. MS Word apostrophe) | 06:08 |
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| wgGuest06 | hello? | 10:55 |
| +Radix_ | hello | 10:56 |
| wgGuest06 | hi, i was wondering if you could help me with a webGUI question. I'm a newbi | 10:58 |
| wgGuest06 | e | 10:58 |
| wgGuest06 | i have a template and a page layout | 10:58 |
| wgGuest06 | i'm trying to pull in articles or assets into the page layout | 10:58 |
| wgGuest06 | how do i associate the assets with the editable areas in the layout? | 10:59 |
| +Radix_ | drag them? | 11:02 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: yung * r9252 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 4 dirs): rfe 9197: Survey timeout handling | 14:57 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: yung * r9253 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/upgrades/rfe-9197.sql: rfe 9197: Survey timeout handling | 14:57 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Hi guys | 16:56 |
| JohnRestrepo | I noticed in the new version of webgui the option "friends", that's awesome, but I only see it in the profile of the admin, how can I see it in the other users' profile? | 16:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | How can I enable this? | 16:58 |
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| webgui_ent | hello all | 17:08 |
| webgui_ent | question: does anyone run WebGUI in an environment where there is a /dev version, and a /live version --- along the lines of any changes to the /live version can be easily pushed back to the /dev, and when /dev is 'updated', it can be pushed back to /live? | 17:09 |
| webgui_ent | usecase: on /live, admins make text changes that need to be retained, but meanwhile someone is making design changes on /dev, but need to keep the text changes from /live on /dev, then once /dev is approved deploy to /live with all the changes combined | 17:11 |
| @preaction | webgui_ent: yes, we do that a lot. we use packages to move templates from dev to production | 17:21 |
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| webgui_ent | preaction: could you elaborate on packages? I'm new to webGui | 17:24 |
| @preaction | webgui_ent: check the wiki http://wiki.webgui.org, check the Content Manager's Guide book, or check the Metadata tab when editing an asset | 17:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: can I talk to you about the double header bug related to content chunking? | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/page-layout-invalid-html-with-head-block | 19:34 |
| @preaction | sure, but only wobject's have the processStyle() sub, assets need to do it their own way | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so if I track down that code in all wobjects and replace it ala the Calendar, all will be well | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 19:34 |
| * perlDreamer needs to spend some time in the Dev Guide to get Content chunking back into his head | 19:35 | |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: the GalleryAlbum is doing it correctly, it's doing content chunking for performance benefits | 19:36 |
| @preaction | really probably only the Layout needs the fix | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and the Calendar, which has already been fixed | 19:37 |
| @preaction | but actually layout doesn;t either, since it really uses the superclass www_view method | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, and HttpProxy needs to because it subclasses www_view | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | doesn't that mean we got them all? | 19:45 |
| @preaction | perhaps they're using a macro that adds stuff to the head block? otherwise i don't know really | 19:46 |
| @preaction | perhaps the asset in the page is not putting their head block stuff in prepareView, instead put it in view()? | 19:46 |
| @preaction | or, perhaps the view() is making a Wg::Form::Date control or something | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but those can't be avoided | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | anytime a macro/ form control whatever is called by view, it's too late to emit head tags into the head block | 19:47 |
| @preaction | unless they're created by prepareView() and then stored until view() is called | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I think in the general case you're right | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but what if there are macros in the user supplied content? | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | those macros can't be evaluated until after the template is rendered | 19:50 |
| @preaction | macros can't be fixed. but form controls in view() can | 19:50 |
| @preaction | macros shouldn't be using style->setLink or setScript anyway | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | AdminBar macro | 19:51 |
| @preaction | still probably shouldn't be using setLink and/or setScript | 19:52 |
| Lisette | i can use a userDefined of a CS like a <select>? | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | text, htmlarea, textarea, yesNo and float | 19:56 |
| Lisette | mmm ok, thanks | 19:56 |
| @preaction | unless you build the select box yourself | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | would it be processed correctly on the other end, on form submission? | 19:57 |
| @preaction | yes. select boxes are easy that way | 20:00 |
| @preaction | unless you want multiple select, that may be more difficult | 20:01 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Hi, how can a user add a friend in the new version? | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo, you go to a user's profile. If it is public, and they want to participate in the Friend's Network, on their profile page there will be a link "Send Friend Request". | 20:35 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok, and where I found the user's profile? | 20:38 |
| JohnRestrepo | I've been looking for it but I don't see it anywhere | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it is usually only found in the Collaboration system, when the user submits a post | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it can also be found in the UserList Asset | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | in your custom code, you can get the URL for the user's profile by calling $user->getProfileUrl, but that is only available in recent versions of 7.5 | 20:40 |
| JohnRestrepo | Perfect! thanks perlDreamer | 20:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | hello, haardy. Do you have any WebGUI questions? | 21:08 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r9254 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.pm: Emails sent about low stock should have status unread, not completed. | 21:10 |
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| elnino | hi! I'd like to explore using webgui for an intranet,and was hoping for some ideas. I was going set up a mainlevel menus each for each department to own and maintain. But they all have "announements" and was wondering how best to do that.. | 22:23 |
| elnino | I was hopeing that maybe people can subscribe to the announcement they want to hear. | 22:24 |
| elnino | and I was also hoping to utilize the portal | 22:24 |
| elnino | so I do a message board, with multiple forums for each department? or do I give them each a forum? | 22:24 |
| elnino | in their respective places? | 22:24 |
| elnino | the hairy part is the "HR" because they do announcments on travel (not everyone travels) and employe handbook stuff, and health benefits (not everyone pertakes in that), etc. | 22:25 |
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| elnino | so they have many categories within their department. And I really don't relish give them a billion different CS (forums) | 22:26 |
| bmackey | hi elnino, you could probably use the newsletter for news people could subscribe to. | 22:26 |
| elnino | or do I have one announcment board - with subscriptions | 22:26 |
| elnino | like bmachey just suggested. =) | 22:26 |
| elnino | I' assuming newsletter is really a CS. I think... | 22:27 |
| elnino | could I have multiple rss feeds based on the newsletter categories (content profiling) and put them on the portal? | 22:27 |
| bmackey | you could do that, too. I have a few pages that have rss feeds built into the template for that particular department, it pulls "news" from blogs | 22:29 |
| elnino | in your original suggestion, were you thinking multiple newsletters for each department? | 22:30 |
| bmackey | I believe you can do one newsletter, with different departments to choose their updates from. I believe you could control the permissions (someone correct me if I'm wrong!) | 22:32 |
| bmackey | I haven't used it yet, but read about it in the WG Content Mgrs Guide | 22:33 |
| elnino | me. too. | 22:35 |
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| elnino | I wonder if newsletters have rss feeds so I can utilize the portal. | 22:35 |
| elnino | so thtat for those that don't subscribe, they can still read about it on the "front page" | 22:35 |
| bmackey | Hmm, I just looked for it and can't find it in my new content... | 22:36 |
| bernd_ | elnino, newsletters inherit from the CS. | 22:37 |
| bmackey | Maybe it's not in 7.5.37? | 22:37 |
| bernd_ | In principle they should support RSS. | 22:37 |
| elnino | I would think too. | 22:37 |
| bernd_ | bmackey, the newsletter asset has to activated in your config file first. | 22:37 |
| bernd_ | For some reason it is not activated by default. | 22:37 |
| bmackey | Thanks, bernd! | 22:38 |
| elnino | so really the difference between newsletter and a CS, is... that it's not a thread type thing? | 22:38 |
| bernd_ | I think the difference is that you can use meta data for refining subscriptions. | 22:39 |
| bernd_ | And that it is send out by the scheduler? | 22:39 |
| bernd_ | But I am not sure about that. | 22:39 |
| elnino | oh. bernd_ I thought I could use content profiing (meta data) with CS too? | 22:41 |
| elnino | I've only read about it, not used yet. | 22:41 |
| bernd_ | What I meant is that users can subscribe to certain topics only that are defined by meta data tags. | 22:42 |
| bernd_ | At least in theory. | 22:42 |
| bernd_ | I have not used the newsletter yet. | 22:42 |
| bernd_ | I think, that is not possible in the CS. | 22:43 |
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| bmackey | I was wondering if anyone's had a field resetting or disappearing in a drop down menu? In my user's profiles, I have a drop menu for department. They choose it from the list, but after some time (can't say exactly) it resets to blank? | 22:55 |
| bernd_ | Sounds like a JS/AJAX issue. | 22:56 |
| bernd_ | Maybe it is getting refreshed and then some error occurs? | 22:57 |
| bmackey | I've checked my error logs, nothing. | 22:57 |
| bernd_ | Would not appear in the error logs probably. | 22:57 |
| bmackey | This has only happened since I upgraded to 7.5.37 | 22:57 |
| bernd_ | And you do have a drop down list for department? | 22:58 |
| bernd_ | I am using 7.5.37 as well. | 22:59 |
| bernd_ | I cannot see a drop down. | 22:59 |
| bernd_ | Oh, actually I do. | 23:00 |
| bernd_ | Just noticed. | 23:00 |
| bernd_ | Can't be an AJAX issue in that case. | 23:00 |
| bernd_ | Profiles were only AJAXified in 7.6 | 23:00 |
| bmackey | I put extra departments into the inout board, so you can see them all, so I don't think that's the error. | 23:00 |
| bmackey | Not seeing any errors through the browser, although I swear I had some earlier | 23:01 |
| bernd_ | If you find a way to reproduce you should submit a bug report. | 23:01 |
| bmackey | Well it happens every night, it seems. :) | 23:04 |
| bmackey | So not hard to reproduce | 23:04 |
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| bernd_ | Someone knows how to compare a local working copy from a stable branch with the current beta head? | 23:06 |
| bernd_ | SVN does not allow to mix working copies and URLs as it seems. | 23:07 |
| bernd_ | Hm, would it be ok to submit a patch against 7.5 instead of head? | 23:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd_, if for bugfix, sure | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, you can always just use "diff" | 23:24 |
| bernd_ | No, it is a partial implementation of an RFE | 23:24 |
| bernd_ | You mean "diff" or "svn diff"? | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | just good old unix diff | 23:25 |
| bernd_ | Let me check the syntax... | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | if for an RFE, it had better be against 7.6 | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | there are no RFEs implemented against 7.5 | 23:25 |
| bernd_ | But what is the syntax= | 23:25 |
| bernd_ | ? | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | diff file1 file2 | 23:25 |
| bernd_ | I have checked out the last stable version, since I had problems with the beta head. | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | But that would required that I install head as well. | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | And in fact, I have more than one file to compare. | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | I was thinking about something like | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | svn diff . https://svn.webgui.org/webgui | 23:26 |
| bernd_ | But svn does not let me compare local working copies and an URL. | 23:27 |
| bernd_ | Is there a workaround? | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | not that I know of | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | have you checked the svn book? | 23:28 |
| bernd_ | Hm. | 23:28 |
| bernd_ | Yes. | 23:28 |
| bernd_ | Could not find anything. | 23:28 |
| bernd_ | What would be your solution to the problem? | 23:29 |
| bernd_ | Install both copies and do it on the local fs? | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | but I've had multiple copies of WebGUI around for a long time | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | in order to patch bugs in both branches | 23:31 |
| bernd_ | I see. | 23:31 |
| bernd_ | Well, it is only disk space, isn't it? | 23:31 |
| bernd_ | Let me try. | 23:31 |
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| bernd_ | jmarsden, the install is running. | 23:46 |
| bernd_ | Let's see if it works. | 23:46 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: I'm working on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9455 and I think I've run into a design question | 00:50 |
| @Haarg | ok | 00:50 |
| daviddelikat | so when an RSS feed gets geenrated it uses the synopsis of the description for the text | 00:51 |
| daviddelikat | the synopsis is calculated as the first piece upto the frst new line in the description | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | iirc that's an issue with HTML::Template | 00:52 |
| daviddelikat | well using the WYSYWYG editor in the current edition that tends to be very short. | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | hm | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | newlines not really being relevant to html | 00:53 |
| daviddelikat | of course there is an html paragraph around the first part which is probably what we really want | 00:53 |
| daviddelikat | the problem is that upon release this is going to cause lots of unexpected results and Im sure people will be unhappy about it. | 00:54 |
| @Haarg | ok, so that bug seems to cover a number of different issues | 00:56 |
| daviddelikat | yes | 00:56 |
| daviddelikat | I guess the question is do we get rid of the current code or augment it with a test fot HTML and pull out a paragraph if we find a tag? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, using that algorithm, it makes broken HTML | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | so the issue you are asking about isn't really a syndicated content issue at all is it? | 00:58 |
| daviddelikat | this one is not, no | 00:58 |
| daviddelikat | but the 'javascript' for blank items is | 00:59 |
| daviddelikat | I found three places that were potentials for the same bug. | 00:59 |
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| @Haarg | well, the scalar() thing as you mentioned should fix that correct? | 00:59 |
| @Haarg | the issue in your last post sounds like a HTML::Template problem | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | iirc it treats undef the same as the key not existing | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | so you have to make the value an empty string in those cases | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | as for the rss generation in the CS... | 01:01 |
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| wgGuest21 | Haarg: daviddelikat here, my IM program is dumping me... | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | what is the last line you saw from me? | 01:03 |
| wgGuest21 | the problem with the javascript text appearing is actually a feature of perl | 01:03 |
| wgGuest21 | 'iirc it treats undef the same as the key not existing' | 01:03 |
| @Haarg | <Haarg> so you have to make the value an empty string in those cases | 01:04 |
| wgGuest21 | the problem is that when the FeedPP -> description returns an empty array perl merges it with the parameter array | 01:04 |
| wgGuest21 | and the parameter array has only one element then. | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:04 |
| wgGuest21 | so forcing scalar context it returns a blank string instead. | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | so the javascript thing and the displaying the asset's description should be simple fixes | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | the rss generation not so much | 01:06 |
| wgGuest21 | the question with that is do we COA and treat them all just in case something comes through blank or do we just treat the ones that we can see? | 01:06 |
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| wgGuest21 | still here | 01:06 |
| wgGuest21 | yes is is a simpel fix | 01:07 |
| wgGuest21 | what do mean by rss gen? | 01:07 |
| @Haarg | the rss feed generation that the collaboration system does | 01:07 |
| wgGuest21 | I don't think it should be too hard to get the first paragraph if thats what you mean | 01:08 |
| wgGuest21 | the goofy part is getting rid of the comment | 01:08 |
| wgGuest21 | because it gets symbol replacement for the html tags | 01:08 |
| wgGuest21 | we have to grab <-- blah blah --> | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | that seems like a different problem | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | if it is treating that like text instead of html | 01:09 |
| wgGuest21 | it only happens when stuff gets pasted | 01:09 |
| wgGuest21 | from openoffice ( or maybe others ) | 01:10 |
| wgGuest21 | it is the WYSYWYG ediutor | 01:10 |
| wgGuest21 | if you use the other editor it is fine | 01:10 |
| wgGuest21 | i think it is called moderators editor or some such | 01:10 |
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| @Haarg | daviddelikat, can you give me more about how to reproduce the issue? i'm having trouble putting something into the rich editor that will result in an html comment in the rss | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | unless i'm missing something about what you meant with that | 01:26 |
| daviddelikat | it is possible that it only happen on XP | 01:27 |
| daviddelikat | I can show you what it lookes like though... just give me a minute | 01:28 |
| daviddelikat | I have figured out issue #4, we can discuss that later... | 01:28 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg are we talking about reproducing the comment? or the blank/empty feed element? | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | the comment | 01:30 |
| daviddelikat | interesting note: the comment does not show up upon first pasting the text. also you have to use ctrl-v for the insert because the popup menu won't let you, perhaps the ctrl-v should be fixed to do the same as the popup... | 01:33 |
| daviddelikat | and of course NOW i can't get it to do it either... | 01:34 |
| daviddelikat | sorry, that's because I'm using the advanced editor ( not the default ) hold on while i change it. | 01:34 |
| daviddelikat | the 'content managers rich editor' works fine; the forum rich editor does not... | 01:36 |
| daviddelikat | well.... | 01:38 |
| daviddelikat | its doing a great job demonstraiting the last problem i found... | 01:38 |
| daviddelikat | http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/the_latest_news | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | the popup thing isn't really something we can fix | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | clipboard rather | 01:39 |
| @Haarg | firefox security thing | 01:39 |
| daviddelikat | you can see that the first couple of items show the same text as the general description | 01:39 |
| daviddelikat | this is because the template is using that velue because the other one does not exist. | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:40 |
| daviddelikat | and the reason this is happening is because the RSS feed is blank for those items due to the synopsys issue | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | that should be a pretty simple fix though | 01:40 |
| daviddelikat | but if you go to the main page and login as admin ( 123qwe) | 01:41 |
| daviddelikat | you can go doen to the bottom and look at the items themselves and see the comment thing in action... | 01:41 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg | 05:00 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg perlmonkey2 | 06:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: word | 06:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | caught me just before I was going to sign off. What's up? | 06:11 |
| daviddelikat | I'm working on the syndicated content bug | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat | and i have a question about how i should put the solution | 06:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | refresh my memory on the bug :) | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat | one of the problems is that the synopsis is being determined by where the newline | 06:12 |
| daviddelikat | shows up in the text. and with the new wyzywyg editor the newlines get put in | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | at short intervals | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | and there it HTML markup inside the text | 06:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I didn't think the regex broke on newlines | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | so im trying to grab out the first html paragraph | 06:13 |
| daviddelikat | it is matching the newlines | 06:14 |
| daviddelikat | I'll post the code... | 06:14 |
| daviddelikat | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1864951e | 06:14 |
| daviddelikat | I have a pattern inthere to match the paragraph just to see that it works. | 06:15 |
| daviddelikat | my question is should I put a function in WebGUI ::HTML to grab paragraph or should I just write it in Post.pm? | 06:15 |
| daviddelikat | obviously I intend to use HTML::Parser. | 06:16 |
| @perlmonkey2 | is this a bug in the SC or in Posts? | 06:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: ? | 06:19 |
| daviddelikat | the code is in Post.pm | 06:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right | 06:20 |
| daviddelikat | the issue is only seen in SC | 06:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but I'm not following why you'd put the fix in there if the problem is that the SC's 100/75/50/... word descriptions weren't correct because of newlines. | 06:20 |
| daviddelikat | SC doesn't get anything from the RSS because the Synopsis is empty | 06:21 |
| daviddelikat | because there is a newline at the beginning of the description | 06:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ahah | 06:21 |
| daviddelikat | generally right after <p> | 06:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that makes sense | 06:22 |
| daviddelikat | so what do you think of the solution? using HTML::Parser that is | 06:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: Okay, I'm with you and I like your solution. But as to where that fix should go, you should probably ask rizen or khenn. | 06:24 |
| daviddelikat | ok, thanks, I really don't know who does what around here | 06:24 |
| daviddelikat | question is are they watching? | 06:25 |
| @perlmonkey2 | since the original logic was in Post, that seems like a decent place for it. But it also might be an inprovement to add that functionality to WG::HTML so that it is easy to grab the first bit of seperated text from some HTML. | 06:25 |
| daviddelikat | yeah, I figured WG::HTML because the moduel is already used there and that is where most HTML is handled | 06:26 |
| daviddelikat | rizen khenn | 06:27 |
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| daviddelikat | i guess there not watching | 06:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: if you put it in WG::HTML you could make it really sexy by adding lots of options that could be passed in for finding the synopopsys. But leave its defaults like you have it. | 06:27 |
| daviddelikat | what woudl you call it? | 06:28 |
| daviddelikat | I was thinking grabFirstParagraph | 06:29 |
| daviddelikat | but if it takes lots of options then that doesn't make sense | 06:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | something that specified it was for getting the synopsis of textbox type markup. | 06:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: well, you could default to <p> but allow them to pass in <br> hr or whatever. | 06:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and maybe default the number of paragraphs to grab on the split to 0, but allow them to override. | 06:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but it's fine how it is. | 06:31 |
| daviddelikat | how about splitTag? | 06:31 |
| daviddelikat | HTML::SplitTag | 06:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sure | 06:31 |
| daviddelikat | HTML::splitTag('tagname','HTML text',[count] ) | 06:32 |
| daviddelikat | that way it looks like what people might expect | 06:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I dig it. | 06:32 |
| daviddelikat | and if there's only one arg then the tag name defaults to p | 06:32 |
| daviddelikat | I'll code it tonoght, test it tomorrow. | 06:33 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 06:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: great idea. | 06:33 |
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| @plainhao | if i were to patch the settings table, where would the canonical place be? docs/create.sql? | 17:14 |
| @plainhao | i mean in wg core beta | 17:15 |
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| +BartJol | sorry plainhao I don't know, I'm not a core developer | 17:19 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:26 |
| +BartJol | morning | 17:30 |
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| * plainhao thanks bart. | 17:32 | |
| * plainhao just asked the dev list. | 17:32 | |
| +BartJol | ok ,good luck | 17:35 |
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| * plainhao thanks preaction for the helpful response on dev list. | 17:49 | |
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| elnino | preaction - I have questions about work flows..... | 18:10 |
| @preaction | okay, shoot | 18:10 |
| elnino | ok.I"ve been reading tmy shop guide. | 18:10 |
| elnino | I want to sell a subscription | 18:10 |
| elnino | that will automaticaly add a user to a group | 18:10 |
| elnino | so thatthey can view content on our website. | 18:10 |
| elnino | when they purchase this product | 18:10 |
| elnino | a work flow will run to send out periodic | 18:11 |
| elnino | canned emails like aweber. | 18:11 |
| elnino | aweber calls them "auto responders" | 18:11 |
| elnino | you can schedule them to send out on any | 18:11 |
| elnino | interval of days that you want. | 18:11 |
| elnino | SO | 18:11 |
| elnino | my workflow would be create | 18:11 |
| elnino | and then each activity in it would send out a specified email at a particular time after they sign up? | 18:12 |
| elnino | so an email will send on the day they purchase, then one day after that | 18:12 |
| elnino | then maybe a week after that, then after that once a month | 18:12 |
| @preaction | okay, so far so good | 18:13 |
| elnino | 2) what type of work flow should it be? I'm only given the choices of "none" "user" and "version tag" - I"m assuming "user" | 18:13 |
| elnino | but the book says "group" | 18:13 |
| elnino | do I have to write the "group-type workflow"? | 18:14 |
| elnino | or is that ina later version of webgui? | 18:14 |
| @preaction | the types of workflows are defined only in the config file | 18:14 |
| @preaction | but you can probably get by with a "none" workflow type | 18:14 |
| @preaction | you're going to have to write the activity yourself though | 18:15 |
| elnino | ok, I tried that. | 18:15 |
| elnino | Oh, that was my next question. I didn't see a "send email" activity | 18:15 |
| @preaction | a normal send email activity wouldn;t work, you've got some very specific timeframes. you'll want the workflow to run every day, and somehow keep track of what email should be sent to the user when | 18:16 |
| elnino | so, I"m correct about setting an activity for each email that get's sent out? inmy example, i'd have at least four "send email" activities | 18:16 |
| @preaction | one would probably work, given the right code | 18:16 |
| elnino | yeah, I was thinnking of having parameters setting the intervals. so it would be the same activity just setup differently. | 18:17 |
| elnino | I typed too fast, hopefully that made sense. =( | 18:17 |
| elnino | would this be a parallel work flow? or serial? | 18:17 |
| elnino | i'm thinking serial... | 18:18 |
| @preaction | serial probably, to make sure that only one of them is running at a given time | 18:18 |
| @preaction | i might even go singleton | 18:18 |
| @preaction | in fact, i would go singleton. you would never want two of these workflows in the queue at once | 18:18 |
| elnino | oh. so, a workflow wouldn't be run for each user. | 18:19 |
| elnino | I'll be back real quick. | 18:19 |
| @preaction | no, it would loop over the users | 18:19 |
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| elnino | I figured it would be triggered when a user purchases a product. I think I saw a setting there... | 18:22 |
| elnino | (when a purchase is made, they are added to a group - which is where I think I saw the "on registration run workflow" setting) | 18:23 |
| elnino | preaction - I guess it was under settings-> user I saw this.. But I'm pretty sure I saw something like that somewhere else. | 18:27 |
| @preaction | not that i know of yet | 18:27 |
| * elnino still looking =) | 18:29 | |
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| +perlDreamer | deafferret, you can suck down all the pizza that you want today | 20:09 |
| deafferret | boo-ya! | 20:10 |
| deafferret | spits out the salad & Nutrisystem, heads downstairs for Chinese | 20:10 |
| deafferret | c'mon purl. you know I meant ) there, not } ... sigh | 20:12 |
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| bernd_ | jmarsden|work, are you listening? | 20:59 |
| bernd_ | jmarsden, maybe now? | 21:13 |
| bernd_ | Or has anyone online played with debian/ubuntu packages? | 21:13 |
| diakopter | bernd_: where are they | 21:15 |
| bernd_ | I got mine from the PPA of jmarsden. | 21:15 |
| bernd_ | Do you want the apt source line? | 21:15 |
| diakopter | bernd_: sure! | 21:20 |
| diakopter | is it staged to be included in debian [somewhere]? | 21:21 |
| bernd_ | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jmarsden/ubuntu intrepid main | 21:21 |
| bernd_ | Be aware that the package is only preliminary! | 21:21 |
| bernd_ | Also check this post for instructions: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/ubuntu-packages/3/re-ubuntu-packages | 21:22 |
| bernd_ | diakopter, I think it will be in the next debian release. | 21:27 |
| diakopter | neat... | 21:27 |
| bernd_ | But currently, there is only a PPA by Ernesto. | 21:27 |
| bernd_ | I do not have the source line, however. | 21:27 |
| bernd_ | But what I wanted to talk about is that they stripped the proxy configuration from these packages. | 21:28 |
| bernd_ | Or at least I think they did. | 21:29 |
| bernd_ | I assume that is a pretty bad idea. | 21:29 |
| bernd_ | Can someone comment on the performance loss? | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd_: the proxy setup is pretty particular to the WRE | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it just means that a heavyweight apache process will server static content | 22:03 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, but should it not be included in general? | 22:14 |
| bernd_ | I assume, the proxy does the caching? | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | No, webgui caches inside itself | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | the proxy just serves static content, as far as I know | 22:15 |
| bernd_ | Like the stuff in extras? | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and I believe other things, too | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I should study how it works someday | 22:16 |
| bernd_ | Ok, in that case I need to check the configuration files again. | 22:16 |
| bernd_ | But since it seems to work, configuration is probably correct. | 22:16 |
| bernd_ | And it seems to be lightning fast! | 22:17 |
| bernd_ | Much faster than the WRE installed on my notebook. | 22:17 |
| bernd_ | Really cool! | 22:17 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, did you replace the editor on the translation server? | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you think? | 22:24 |
| bernd_ | Seems to be more light-weight and faster. | 22:25 |
| bernd_ | But the frame around is ugly. | 22:25 |
| bernd_ | Is that the YUI editor supposed to come for webgui as a whole? | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that eventually that YUI editor will be used in place of TinyMCE | 22:26 |
| bernd_ | So what is your impression? | 22:26 |
| bernd_ | Is it better than TinyMCE? | 22:27 |
| bernd_ | Or just more of the same kind. | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | smaller, faster, lighter, more robust, and fewer dependencies | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | fewer dependencies for WebGUI, that is | 22:28 |
| bernd_ | Sounds good. But where is the drawback? I am sure there is one... | 22:28 |
| bernd_ | btw, the "insert item" label wraps into two rows. | 22:30 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, is it possible the new i18n labels are out? | 22:34 |
| bernd_ | Account modules have blown up a lot. | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it is possible, since it's Tuesday | 22:34 |
| bernd_ | So it's all fresh! | 22:35 |
| bernd_ | Yummie. | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | did you see my "How to install the translation server" wiki page? | 22:35 |
| bernd_ | No. Not yet. | 22:36 |
| bernd_ | Is is foolproof? | 22:36 |
| bernd_ | it | 22:36 |
| bernd_ | Let me check. | 22:37 |
| bernd_ | If it is easy enough, I will be able to translate in the train soon. | 22:37 |
| bernd_ | That will give German translation a boost. | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it is not really possible to merge with the main translation server | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's really for people who want to do development, debugging, and older versions of WebGUI | 22:39 |
| bernd_ | I have asked rizen for write access to the German translation. | 22:39 |
| bernd_ | But he has not replied yet. | 22:39 |
| bernd_ | That would solve the problem | 22:39 |
| bernd_ | Seems like he is still ignoring me :-) | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it's financial year end, I'm guessing he's pretty busy with accounting | 22:44 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, there is lots of punctuation missing in Account_Inbox.pm | 23:01 |
| bernd__ | Is that on purpose? | 23:01 |
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| * perlDreamer uses all of his punctuation in perl, so there's not a lot left over for i18n | 23:08 | |
| bernd__ | =) | 23:08 |
| bernd__ | Ok. I assume, it is safe then to add the punctuation in the translation. | 23:09 |
| bernd__ | Or are there any . left in templates? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | No, there wouldn't be hanging punctuation in templates | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | please feel free to post bugs about that, too | 23:11 |
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| bernd__ | Not possible! There are too many :Op | 23:12 |
| bernd__ | Time to go to bed. | 23:13 |
| bernd__ | You all, have a pleasant evening! | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | tea and soda for my team of expert hackers is a business expense, right? | 23:38 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 23:44 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: translation * r9256 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Inbox.pm Asset_Gallery.pm): Update from translation server | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | my tea supply is dwindling | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if you'll update the Bazaar code on PB.com, I can close this bug http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9073 | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | ok, i'll try to get that tonight | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | argh. I didn't merge before trying to commit. We'll see how hard the new, templated version is to manage. | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | what rev is PB.com running now? | 00:41 |
| @Haarg | i don't know | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the new, templated Bazaar is different enough that the bug needs to be reevaluated, so I'm going to revert my code. | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, patspam | 01:00 |
| patspam | morning! | 01:01 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: yo-ee | 02:58 |
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| patspam | started reading the Survey code from start to finish (rather than just hacking ad-hoc), there's some good stuff in there man :) | 03:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: hah, nice of you to say, but it can't be true. You must be buttering me up for something? | 03:11 |
| patspam | heh no ulterior motive.. honest! | 03:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I said the same things, patspam, and he didn't believe me either. | 04:01 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: did you use PerlTidy to add the end-of-block comments, or did you put them in manually? | 04:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | patspam: perltidy | 04:15 |
| patspam | ever since i read Schwern's "Skimmable Code" stuff I've tried to avoid them | 04:16 |
| patspam | http://use.perl.org/~schwern/journal/36704 and http://use.perl.org/~schwern/journal/37549?from=rss | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, what version of git is in FC10? | 04:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 1.6.06 | 04:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that answers that, too | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, man :) | 04:26 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, having version problems? | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | git from FC9 is not playing well with github | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it's having pouty-fits | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it will only take two hours to download FC10 | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and about another hour to upgrade | 04:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: can't you just grab the fc10.git.rpm? | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's written in C. it will have dozens of dependencies on glibc | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and various parts | 04:51 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r9257 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 05:56 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: Added totalSections/Questions/Answers helper subs, refactored | 05:56 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: getDragDropList to use helper subs, and added extra $address param | 05:56 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: documentation. | 05:56 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r9258 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: | 07:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: More SurveJSON refactoring (mostly documentation and simple code | 07:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: changes) | 07:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r9259 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: More SurveyJSON refactoring.. | 07:39 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: patspam * r9260 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: More SurveyJSON refactoring (mostly documentation) | 07:39 |
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| wgGuest91 | currently having a problem with email on only one of the domains. | 08:10 |
| wgGuest91 | the email is queued but not sent out. | 08:10 |
| wgGuest91 | I think webgui is find because the other domains are working great with email | 08:11 |
| wgGuest91 | Any ideas where I check for problems. | 08:11 |
| wgGuest91 | hope someone can point me in the right direction | 08:12 |
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| bmackey | Good morning! I was wondering, could I just use a redirect to have my users directed to https rather than http? SSL is configured and working, and their logins are encrypted, but the bosses want it to automatically go to https. | 15:38 |
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| +BartJol | morning | 15:41 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Hi | 15:50 |
| JohnRestrepo | What's up? | 15:51 |
| JohnRestrepo | A question | 15:51 |
| JohnRestrepo | I want to upgrade from version 7.5.38 to version 7.6.8 beta | 15:52 |
| JohnRestrepo | Can I do it directly? | 15:52 |
| JohnRestrepo | Or I'm going to have problems? | 15:52 |
| +BartJol | no you can't do it directly | 15:56 |
| +BartJol | you can't do it at all actually | 15:56 |
| +BartJol | well nothing is impossible | 15:57 |
| +BartJol | but | 15:57 |
| +BartJol | there are no standard scripts from 7.5.38 to 7.6.x | 15:57 |
| +BartJol | only from 7.5.24 | 15:57 |
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| +BartJol | so JohnRestrepo, you would be in for trouble | 15:58 |
| +BartJol | I'm not sure when 7.6 will be declared stable, but then a update script will be made for latest 7.5 to 7.6 | 15:59 |
| JohnRestrepo | It's just for tests purposes | 16:02 |
| +BartJol | oh, so no real sites there? | 16:03 |
| +BartJol | no data that would be lost? | 16:03 |
| +BartJol | then just remove the sites | 16:03 |
| +BartJol | and install latest beta | 16:03 |
| +BartJol | do remove the whole webgui tree | 16:06 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Yeah, it's a better option | 16:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | Thanks a lot | 16:15 |
| +BartJol | np | 16:18 |
| JohnRestrepo | I'm did it, but I got this error when try to install the new version: WebGUI modules: Not Found. Perhaps you're running this script from the wrong place. | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | ok, what command did actually produced this error? | 16:25 |
| JohnRestrepo | perl testEnvironment.pl | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | so you did download latest beta and unpacked the archive (otherwise you can't reach that file) | 16:26 |
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| +BartJol | eeeh | 16:26 |
| +BartJol | I think you can run the update script first so WebGUI and wre are getting aware of each other | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | so in /data/wre/sbin | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | perl webguiupdate.pl | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | brb | 16:28 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok, clone.pm was missing, I don't know why but now I'm installing the new version | 16:35 |
| +BartJol | cloen.pm? doesn't ring a bell, but surely it's unmissable ;) | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | clone | 16:36 |
| +BartJol | ah, it's a perl module | 16:37 |
| +BartJol | well, installing is good | 16:39 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Ok, I have installed the new version, :) | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | great work ! | 17:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: it would have been nice to know that upon installing FC10 neither vim nor firefox would work. | 18:12 |
| * perlDreamer looks at him with misdirected, accusing glances | 18:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | and wishes that yum ran faster | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: any scary stories about translations for me? | 18:18 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: eh? why wouldn't vim or firefox work? and yum runs faster than ever for me. | 18:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, but you use the upgrade. | 18:21 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I've never used the upgrade, so I have no idea how well it works. | 18:21 |
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| ckotil | i was trying to use yum to install flash for firefox on centOS 5.2 last night and couldnt find it | 18:26 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: did you try: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ | 18:28 |
| ckotil | nah, but i will when i get home. thanks | 18:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: they even have an alpha 64bit which seems to work well enough for me, if a bit slow. | 18:29 |
| ckotil | cool. | 18:29 |
| ckotil | do they let you download an rpm for linux? | 18:29 |
| ckotil | or more specifically for centos 5 | 18:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | pegs a core of my T8300 | 18:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: it is just for linux as far as I understand. | 18:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | although a special .deb for ubuntu 8.04 | 18:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, 8.04+ | 18:31 |
| ckotil | ah | 18:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but I used the yum repo when I was using the x86 version with the wrappers. | 18:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But then I've never used Cent as a desktop, so I've never installed flash on it. | 18:31 |
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| ckotil | I just threw the cent live cd on this new box i got. a dell PEc1420 tower | 18:37 |
| ckotil | gonna make a nas out of it. ive got 2 of these nice 3ware 8 port sata raid cards | 18:37 |
| ckotil | 1 will do ;) dunno what ill do w/ the second | 18:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: heh, right on | 18:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: gige running to it? | 18:38 |
| ckotil | sadly no. its at my house, and i only have 100mbit routers and switches | 18:39 |
| ckotil | not sure if it even has a gige interface on the mobo | 18:39 |
| ckotil | the machine is about 4 yrs old now | 18:39 |
| ckotil | i got it cheap | 18:40 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: yeah, 100mbit works fine at my place since there's usually only a single person moving files at any time, and its usually over wifi. | 18:40 |
| ckotil | nice, ill usually be the only one using it as well. i might have a friend or two streaming music from the web, which isnt very bandwidth intensive | 18:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: know much about failure rates and recovery on SSD? | 18:42 |
| ckotil | nil | 18:43 |
| ckotil | just that SSD is supposed to have lower failure rates :) | 18:43 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | ckotil: I've also read that when an SSD fails, it almost always fails on a write. So that sector can be marked bad and the data written to a new sector. Read failures are supposed to almost never happen. | 18:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But for now, spinning disks are still king :P | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, no scary i18n news, aside from the new editor | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for a reboot, bbs | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | anybody in here use Mandriva? | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | nope, not me | 19:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | git is very fast | 20:26 |
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| CIA-40 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9261 /WebGUI/www/extras/account/print.css: Added a style for printing Alumni pages | 20:30 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: arjan * r9262 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 3 dirs): fixed: ukplayer example is now loaded with swfobject.js released under the MIT licence, see gotcha's and /extras/ukplayer | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | jmarsden, jmarsden|work, did you see that? | 20:31 |
| jmarsden|work | Wow, very cool... I'll check it out... is that for 7.6 development code, or for a 7.5.x release, though? | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6, I'm pretty sure | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but it shouldn't be too hard to backport it if 7.5 is needed | 20:33 |
| jmarsden|work | It's likely to be needed, since 7.6 has different CPAN dependencies than 7.5.x, so we probably need to get 7.5.x into Ubuntu first. The 7.5.x deps are met, the 7.6 ones ... I am not sure they are all there as Ubuntu packages yet. | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6 is supposed to go stable within a few weeks | 20:35 |
| jmarsden|work | Deadline for getting stuff into Ubuntu Jaunty is Feb 23... that's also "a few weeks" -- would be cutting things very very close! | 20:35 |
| jmarsden|work | Make that Feb 19th... | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | basically, 3 weeks | 20:39 |
| jmarsden|work | perlDreamer: Looks like this change is *exactly* what we need for the licencing issue -- it drops the file with the problem completely from WebGUI :-) | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | well, and replaces it with one with an acceptable license, too :) | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of a belt and suspenders fix | 20:39 |
| jmarsden|work | Yes... I need to check about having code under multiple different licences in the same package, but I am pretty sure that's fine as long as it is fully documented in the package. | 20:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, we have a few options | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) a separate repo for debian could be made/kept until the CPAN deps for 7.6 got into Debian | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) we could backport it | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem with (2) is that 7.5 is in freeze | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | only bugs get fixed | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure this is a bug, but I know that we really, really want WebGUI in Debian (and Ubuntu and all other derivatives) | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's like 5 seconds worth of work to backport the file | 20:50 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9263 /WebGUI/www/extras/account/account.css: Attempt to fix IE6 bug | 20:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: can the license fix for the UK flash player be ported back to 7.5 so that it can go into Debian? | 21:20 |
| @rizen | is it even used in 7.5? | 21:21 |
| @rizen | i don't think it is | 21:21 |
| @rizen | it could probably just be deleted | 21:21 |
| @rizen | but you'd want to verify that | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not in the create.sql files, or any templates | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | which seems odd, since I though it was used in the gallery | 21:24 |
| jmarsden|work | email with Ernesto earlier suggested that it was used and that removing it would break usage of Flash ? | 21:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | if the file itself was removed, then the flash player would not work | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but removing the whole thing is another issue | 21:25 |
| jmarsden|work | So... removing the flash player entirely still allows flash content to work? OK... | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you can always manually embed one | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the default core content does that | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but the UK flash player is for slide shows, and gallery-type stuff | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just not used anywhere in the core, until 7.6, where the MatrixListing asset uses it to show slideshows of thumbnails uploaded to the listing | 21:27 |
| @rizen | that's what i thought | 21:28 |
| @rizen | matrix is the first thing to use it | 21:29 |
| @rizen | we haven't gotten around to refactoring the gallery yet | 21:29 |
| @rizen | which will eventually use it | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | so we should just have them remove it from the debian package, rather than have us pull it from SVN? | 21:29 |
| jmarsden|work | Sure, we could exclude www/ukplayer/ at package creation time... I wish we'd known we could do that a while back :) | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt that the people who added ukplayer to the repo use it for custom code. | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but that shouldn't stop people from using regular old core WebGUI | 21:31 |
| jmarsden|work | So... would be in fact be better to just backport this change so it still works for such people? | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | not if it were to introduce any kind of bug/browser issue | 21:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | but that's a hard kind of risk to quantify | 21:34 |
| jmarsden|work | Yes. If the UK folks are the ones using ukplayer in custom code in 7.5.x, then you'd think they be well placed to handle any issue their own patch causes? So maybe it is "OK" to take that (small?) risk? | 21:35 |
| jmarsden|work | s/they be/they would be/ | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | core changes are all rizen's call | 21:37 |
| @rizen | just build it out of the RPMs/DEBs etc until 7.6 | 21:39 |
| @rizen | leave it in svn | 21:39 |
| jmarsden|work | OK. Thanks. | 21:39 |
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| +BartJol | mmm the links on http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki?func=byKeyword;keyword=macro seem to be broken | 22:03 |
| +BartJol | or better, webgui.org seems to be down | 22:05 |
| ckotil | for me too | 22:05 |
| +BartJol | svn too | 22:06 |
| +BartJol | let's just keep nagging till it's repared ;) | 22:06 |
| +BartJol | darn, it's back already | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we do like it when webgui.org is back up | 22:11 |
| +BartJol | you, I can get more karma when it's up | 22:13 |
| +BartJol | s/you/yeah/ | 22:13 |
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| +BartJol | but besides drinking beer, nagging is the Dutchies favorite hobby | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of nagging, nice work on the i18n | 22:41 |
| +BartJol | you understand the dutch? or is there something wrong? | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you're back up to 100% | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and still the reigning king of i18n! | 22:44 |
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| +BartJol | I've got a rep to keep, bro! | 22:45 |
| +BartJol | mmm, maybe this is the time to install that translation tool thingy | 22:46 |
| +BartJol | ah, your wiki entry already is unvalid for me from the first sentence: I have a wre installed | 22:48 |
| +BartJol | but I'll read it anyway | 22:48 |
| +BartJol | mmm, and I can't use my own webgui install, since I'm on beta | 22:50 |
| +BartJol | but that's just elementary, I do can download | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you can probably just modify the modperl instance of the apache config | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's a guess | 22:51 |
| +BartJol | yeah, or a second apache | 22:52 |
| +BartJol | mmm' | 22:53 |
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| binyamin | anyway bored enough to help with upgrading the vmware dev image that webgui provides? | 23:17 |
| binyamin | having issues w/ dns resolution, can ping dns servers, can resolve s I run a "host www.google.com x.x.x.x" - /etc/resolve.conf contains correct server info | 23:20 |
| binyamin | am I missing something or utterly daft | 23:20 |
| binyamin | i.e when I run the update script, it fails on checking for a new rev | 23:20 |
| +BartJol | and can download it manually? | 23:23 |
| binyamin | I can push a wre or the source package to the thing using scp, sure | 23:23 |
| +BartJol | "you" should be somewhere in that sentence | 23:23 |
| binyamin | or do you mean wget? | 23:23 |
| +BartJol | well, then you can use local instead of a mirror | 23:24 |
| +BartJol | it doesn't solve your problem | 23:24 |
| +BartJol | how you get it there doesn't really matter | 23:24 |
| binyamin | I tried the source compile, that didn't work so well - can get notes on what exactly happened if you're that bored, otherwise do you know which wre package should be used w/ the vmware image? | 23:25 |
| binyamin | i.e wre-0.8.5-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz? | 23:25 |
| +BartJol | let me have a look | 23:25 |
| +BartJol | well, what kind of os is vmware running? is it red hat? | 23:26 |
| +BartJol | never used that one | 23:26 |
| binyamin | oh | 23:26 |
| binyamin | [root@webguidev ~]# uname -a | 23:27 |
| binyamin | Linux webguidev.explc.net 2.6.18-8.el5 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 19:57:35 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux | 23:27 |
| binyamin | err | 23:27 |
| +BartJol | :) | 23:27 |
| binyamin | kernel isn't so much what you're looking for :) | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | so what exact problem are you having? | 23:27 |
| +BartJol | ah, the real pro steps in | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | (pro-coder, junior sys-admin) | 23:27 |
| +BartJol | I'm baby in both categories | 23:28 |
| binyamin | well, as above, the problem I think is soruced from the fact I can't use the automagic update via the perl script due to dns not working | 23:28 |
| binyamin | all other network funtions work on the vmware image | 23:29 |
| binyamin | I guess the entire issue sources around how faimular one is with the vmware image they provide - this might come down to just building out a dev box on my oen, scrapping webgui's provided image | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | have you considered that the upgrade server might be down? | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | webgui.org was down a little while ago | 23:30 |
| binyamin | /etc/resolv.conf contains the correct name servers, however dns simply won't resolve - the servers function correctly and return results if you specify the name server in a host query | 23:30 |
| binyamin | sure - this has been happening for a few days now | 23:30 |
| binyamin | thanks btw :) | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I think next we just need to find out what server it is trying to connect to | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and make sure it's okay | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | then go on from there | 23:32 |
| binyamin | I'm not sure what I could do with that if I can't resovle any hostnames the upgrade script or anything is attempting to use | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to resolve update.webgui.org | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | will it resolve on the image? | 23:35 |
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| binyamin | [root@webguidev sbin]# host update.webgui.org | 23:36 |
| binyamin | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached | 23:36 |
| binyamin | however | 23:36 |
| binyamin | [root@webguidev sbin]# host update.webgui.org x.x.x.x | 23:37 |
| binyamin | Using domain server: | 23:37 |
| binyamin | Name: x.x.x.x | 23:37 |
| binyamin | Address: x.x.x.x#53 | 23:37 |
| binyamin | Aliases: | 23:37 |
| binyamin | update.webgui.org is an alias for frozen.plainblack.com. | 23:37 |
| binyamin | frozen.plainblack.com has address 207.44.136.25 | 23:37 |
| binyamin | sorry cleaning the addressing | 23:37 |
| binyamin | supose I could just manually fill the /etc/hosts with the names and addresses of the update servers | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and x.x.x.x is the same address in /etc/resolv.conf? | 23:38 |
| binyamin | *nod | 23:38 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r9264 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm: | 23:38 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: Qualify a chained method call when getting Workflow instances. If the | 23:38 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: workflow for an instance is ever deleted, then no existing instances after that | 23:38 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: instance will ever be sent to Spectre. | 23:38 |
| binyamin | fsck me | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, me too | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | what's in the hosts file? | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and please don't paste right into the channel | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you can use webgui.pastebin.com if you have more then 2-3 lines of stuff | 23:40 |
| binyamin | will do | 23:40 |
| binyamin | nameserver blah.foo.foo.blah | 23:41 |
| binyamin | nameserver blah.second.foo.blah | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds more like resolv.conf | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | what's in /etc/hosts | 23:43 |
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| binyamin | I actually had a none related question regarding the wiki - it states during the automated update to change your enviroment to "source ./data/wre/sbin/setEnvironment.pl" - however in that dir there is only "setenviroment.sh" - assuming that's just a type-o | 23:44 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I can't ping that host | 23:44 |
| +BartJol | update.webgui.org that is | 23:44 |
| binyamin | they allow icmp? | 23:44 |
| +BartJol | it is .sh | 23:44 |
| binyamin | just one statement for itself | 23:45 |
| binyamin | in /etc/hosts | 23:45 |
| binyamin | unrelated ip space | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | like 127.0.0.1? | 23:45 |
| +BartJol | how do you know m ip? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't ping either, but I can fetch the latest version number | 23:46 |
| binyamin | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:46 |
| binyamin | actually | 23:46 |
| binyamin | I think it's just best I build a debian box for my dev | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | would you please file a bug about this for us? | 23:46 |
| binyamin | be on entirely familiar ground that way | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that way we make sure it gets fixed in the next release | 23:47 |
| binyamin | yeah I can do that | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and if you run into a guy in this channel named bernd_, he was working on building a debian VM image | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | this is a problem on you are having using the vmware image we provide? | 23:47 |
| binyamin | currently the vmware image is pretty out of date - is it something you guys want to keep up to date? | 23:47 |
| binyamin | going foward rather | 23:47 |
| +BartJol | but you have to be early, since he's european | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | binyamin, the plan was that users run webguiupdate if they want the latest | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | we're looking at ways to keep it more up to date | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | unless they have DNS issues :( | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | but it's pretty simple to upgrade so that isn't a priority | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, yes, this is on the VMware image | 23:48 |
| binyamin | simple is good :) | 23:48 |
| binyamin | thanks for the quick feedback guys, very nice | 23:49 |
| +BartJol | just come to the wuc | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and post that bug :) | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | the main issue is just that updating a multi-gigabyte file and hosting it is problematic | 23:50 |
| binyamin | I entirely understand | 23:50 |
| binyamin | i'm running a pair of esx clusters and working with 20+GB vmdk's, backing up offsite is a pita | 23:50 |
| binyamin | fixed the wiki upgrade entry to contain the correct link to "source ./data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh" - I'll get on the bug in a tic | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I could use a second opinion on a bug fix, do you have some time? | 23:52 |
| @Haarg | sure | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | this bug | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9018 | 23:53 |
| +BartJol | oh perlDreamer I slightly changed your wiki entry on translation server installing | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | That's cool, BartJol | 23:53 |
| +BartJol | just a missning verb | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, verbs. They always want to do stuff | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I believe I found why it was stopping other instances from running. | 23:54 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | when spectre calls getSpectreSiteData, it generates a list of existing instances. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Since those are Workflow::Instances, they must have been left over from when Spectre was stopped | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | if the workflow in an instance does not exist, then getSSD pukes | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and it won't send the whole list anymore | 23:55 |
| @Haarg | seems like it could fail in a more friendly way | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I fixed | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's still the problem of the original, broken Instance | 23:56 |
| @Haarg | for the case listed in the bug | 23:57 |
| @Haarg | it may be good to have an upgrade convert any of the instances of the realtime workflow that still exist to the standard workflow for commits | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd have to go back and change all the earlier, released tarballs? | 23:58 |
| @Haarg | no | 23:58 |
| @Haarg | just have a thing in the latest release | 23:58 |
| @Haarg | that's likely a case we missed, because realtime workflows shouldn't stick around in the instance table anyway | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it would have to be something that got caught, or ran long and was waiting | 23:59 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | but realtime weren't allowed to be waiting | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | part of the reason they were eliminated | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | the problem wasn't their type, the problem was that the workflow that there were an instance of were deleted | 00:13 |
| +BartJol | mmm, getting to think that your perl is better than your english (just joking perlDreamer) | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | undoubtedly | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 00:16 |
| @Haarg | yes, but the the reason they were left behind was likely because they had errored out | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | and if a realtime commit took too long, it would just error out | 00:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if that's so, then how do you get a realtime workflow stuck as an instance? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | just luck? | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | i think if one ended up taking too long it would | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | because the activity would return waiting, and the realtime workflow processing wouldn't be able to handle that | 00:31 |
| steveo_aa | /who freenode/staff/* | 00:32 |
| steveo_aa | bugger. NickServ doesn't say how to retrieve a lost nick password. | 00:32 |
| steveo_aa | I don't think it is lost, but freenode won't accept what I've given. | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: 7.5.10-7.5.11 did convert realtime's to pbworkflow0+3's | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | instances as well? | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | not sure then | 00:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was going to propose that the upgrade failed, but the subroutine that deletes the workflow happens after the one that changes workflow instances from realtime's to pbworkflow0000003's | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, were your ears burning? | 00:43 |
| elnino | no, but now you menion it... I'm sure there are a bunch of people talking about me at work.. Are you guys talking about me too? What did I do? | 00:44 |
| elnino | my marketing person wants to restore a bunch of stuff from the trash. She doesn't know how they got there, but is convinced they are what she wants. The urls of these items are meaningless and do not tell us anything of where they go. is there a way I can find out where they were from originally? | 00:45 |
| +BartJol | well, maybe you still kan find revisions in the db | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, from the parentId or the lineage, you can find the parent asset | 00:49 |
| elnino | ok.. So why ARE my ears burning? | 00:49 |
| +BartJol | all perlDreamer's dirty talk | 00:50 |
| elnino | Great. | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | we were talking about your realtime workflow bug | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | also, back to trash, if you click on the name of the asset it will take you to the asset manager, which will also show you where the asset came from | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | this is the workflow bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9018 | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | where realtime workflows were stopping your site from sending emails | 00:52 |
| +BartJol | goodnight | 00:52 |
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| elnino | ah! perfect. She restored them anyway.. So now she wants to know how she can prevent so many things from going into the trash.. ?? What am I supposed to say? "Don't click on the red x?" | 00:54 |
| elnino | she is the only one that does content management. | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | if that's the case, then would it be in the version history who put them in the trash? | 00:55 |
| elnino | From what I know, cuts and deletions aren't version taged!! | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | they aren't tagged, but they are in the version history | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | the asset history rather | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that too! | 00:58 |
| elnino | really? I'll look. | 01:00 |
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| @Haarg | select * from assetHistory where assetId='assetIdhere' | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | you could filter it more than that of course | 01:01 |
| elnino | oh lordy. There was like 50 of them.. | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | select distinct(userId) from assetHistory where assetId in ('assetId1', .................); | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that would give you the users at the cost of 50 assetIds | 01:02 |
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| elnino | I'll poke around. but I'll ask her if she really wants me to prove if she did it first. =) I don't know who else it would have been, unless it's a security hole that was fixed. v 7.5.24. These particular assets were shortcuts. | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Good call. | 01:08 |
| elnino | hmm. I do remember there being a image in the trash, that those shortcuts were shortcutting. | 01:10 |
| elnino | did you guys change it so that when the "shortcutted" item is deleted, the shortcuts are too? | 01:10 |
| @Haarg | yes | 01:12 |
| elnino | YOU DID!?!?!?! YAY!!! problem solved. do you recall what version? | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | it's done that for quite a long time afaik | 01:13 |
| elnino | oh good. I remember submitting a bug about that before.. Thank you! | 01:14 |
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| CIA-40 | WebGUI: colin * r9266 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 01:36 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: Document the heretofore missing date template variable in | 01:36 |
| CIA-40 | WebGUI: the Syndicated Content item loop. | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | shortcuts were fixed in 5145 | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | deleting shortcuts was fixed in 5145, that is | 01:38 |
| elnino | ok. thanks! | 01:44 |
| elnino | another question. (quick) | 01:44 |
| elnino | oh never mind. =) | 01:44 |
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| deafferret | again? | 02:15 |
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| elnino | hello, I'm trying o locate the location of an asset. When I go to a short cut of it, and click on "manage" or revisions" or "edit" or copy" or anything, it goes to the uploads directory and shows me the image. I've tried appending manageassets to the url, and edit to the url, and it still displays the image, rather than letting me edit it. | 02:56 |
| elnino | what is this an indcation of? | 02:56 |
| elnino | is it an old url reference to the image? if so, when the work flow archives that url, what happens to the short cut? | 02:57 |
| elnino | I have the asset id.. is there a url parameter that would allow me to edit it via id? | 02:58 |
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| elnino | this probably makes no sense. =( | 02:58 |
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| elnino | I'm trying to edit an image, by going directly to it via url: /products/specifications/buy-now.jpg?op=assetManager | 03:20 |
| elnino | sorry, I'm trying to locate the file in the asset manager by useing the url above. | 03:20 |
| elnino | I've done a query for this asset in the assetData table, and that is the url it has, but when I try that url, it displays the image, and not the asset manager. | 03:21 |
| elnino | I've tried every single url displayed for that assetid in the assetData table, with the same results. | 03:21 |
| elnino | I just can not get to that image to edit it or even view it within the asset manger without being redirected to the image itself in the uploads directory. I'm running out of ideas. | 03:22 |
| @Haarg | you are using 7.5? | 03:23 |
| elnino | yep. | 03:23 |
| elnino | 7.5.24 | 03:23 |
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| elnino | I can view other images just fine, but this particlar one is shortcutted, and I'm trying to edit the shortcutted image. | 03:24 |
| @Haarg | the ?op=assetManager as you put it should get you what you want, i'm not sure why it isn't working for you | 03:24 |
| elnino | I know!! that's what's frustrating.. | 03:24 |
| elnino | I haven't looked at the logs, I thought by looking at the asset tables, something would jump out, but they havent. | 03:25 |
| elnino | I have to vpn to look at the logs. | 03:25 |
| elnino | (and loose connection here) | 03:25 |
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| elnino | btw, assethistory table is very interesting. Thanks for the tip. Its nice to know EVERYTHIG is logged and with such nice detail! | 03:27 |
| @Haarg | another option is doing a search in the asset manager, that may find what you are looking for | 03:29 |
| elnino | heh, yeah, that was the first thing I tried, I searched for buy-now.jpg, and got all the jpgs in the whole site, I think the number of pages was somethingn like 43 | 03:31 |
| @Haarg | you may just want to search for buy-now | 03:31 |
| elnino | did that too.. with asset type image but I forgot what Igot with that.. Could it be because ithas a dash? | 03:32 |
| @Haarg | the dash may be making it harder to search for yes | 03:33 |
| elnino | yes, I got 4 pages, of images, because they are all located on a url that contains buy-now. =) | 03:33 |
| elnino | I did page thru those, and didn't see it. | 03:33 |
| elnino | but I'll look again. This is just weird. | 03:34 |
| elnino | tried file asset type too.' | 03:36 |
| elnino | back to the tables, is there a way to convert the date into something readable in the sql report? | 03:36 |
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| elnino | I had no luck with the asset search, I'll see what happened with assethistory. | 03:37 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg | 16:33 |
| @Haarg | hi | 16:33 |
| daviddelikat | hi, | 16:33 |
| daviddelikat | do you know who is expert in HTTP::Parser? | 16:33 |
| daviddelikat | make that HTML::Parser | 16:33 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure | 16:34 |
| @Haarg | i haven't really used it myself | 16:34 |
| @Haarg | rizen wrote the stuff in WebGUI that uses it afaik | 16:34 |
| daviddelikat | I seem to have inflicted a bug on myself | 16:34 |
| @Haarg | this the CS synopsis thing? | 16:34 |
| daviddelikat | I'm trying to use it to get the first paragraph for synopsis | 16:35 |
| daviddelikat | and it is going into a infinite loop | 16:35 |
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| daviddelikat | I had it working using just a pattern ( /<p>...</p>/ ) but thats not a very robust solution | 16:35 |
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| +BartJol | oh, I think that the new sitemenu of webgui.org it not very readable, contrastwise | 17:45 |
| +BartJol | the idea is nice | 17:46 |
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| ckotil | When did ldaps support arrive? | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | several weeks ago | 18:00 |
| ckotil | im running 7.5.32 and im wondering if it's built in | 18:00 |
| ckotil | so pry not. | 18:00 |
| ckotil | i remember hacking it in a while back before my last upgrade. | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so. But an enterprising hacker could manually backport it from 7.6 | 18:00 |
| ckotil | good call | 18:01 |
| ckotil | our ldap guru hacked it in. but i can pry do it by looking at the 7.6 code | 18:01 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the API for grabbing the URL sent to apache, including the query fragment? | 18:38 |
| @preaction | i think you have to get env->get("query_string") | 18:41 |
| @preaction | er. session->env->get | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, preaction! | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | it may be better to get that from the request object instead of the env variable | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I had tried using ->uri, but it's been parsed | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | so the secret is to use unparsed_uri | 18:48 |
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| daviddelikat | anybody here good with HTML::Parse? | 19:36 |
| daviddelikat | rizen, I heard you wrote what is already in WebGUI | 19:37 |
| @preaction | depends on your question. i think that TokeParser might be easier | 19:38 |
| daviddelikat | I'm trying to grab paragraphs out of some html text | 19:39 |
| daviddelikat | seemed like it would be easy | 19:39 |
| @rizen | daviddelikat: do you mean what's in WebGUI::HTML | 19:40 |
| daviddelikat | heres my function http://webgui.pastebin.com/d34c70681 | 19:40 |
| @rizen | or do you mean all of webgui? | 19:40 |
| @rizen | as far as me writing | 19:40 |
| @rizen | and was it a comment or a question | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I used TokeParser for the tests that I wrote. | 19:40 |
| daviddelikat | graham said that rizen wrote some HTML::Parser code for WebGUI | 19:41 |
| daviddelikat | or so he thought? | 19:41 |
| @rizen | I wrote the stuff in WebGUI::HTML which is some very basic parsing stuff | 19:41 |
| @rizen | mainly for stripping HTML | 19:41 |
| @rizen | just used regex for most of it | 19:42 |
| daviddelikat | could you peek at the code I posted and let me know if anything jumps out at you? | 19:42 |
| @rizen | i really don't have time sorry | 19:42 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: do you have time? | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | on phone | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 19:42 |
| daviddelikat | ok, thanks rizen... | 19:43 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat, i think tokeparser may be a decent way to go, it'll probably be easier to work with | 19:43 |
| daviddelikat | I'll have a look at it | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, there is some example TokeParser code in t/Macro/*.t | 19:46 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 19:47 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:33 | |
| deafferret | again? | 20:40 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: yung * r9276 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Adding hoverhelp to Survey Edit Section dialog | 20:58 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r9277 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Rolling back rev 9142. The gallery is supposed to upscale graphics. | 20:58 |
| @plainhao | any particular reason to set an individual webgui session user level, to 3 for example? | 21:26 |
| @plainhao | nevermind, i thought it was userLevel, it's userId of 3 | 21:28 |
| jmarsden|work | WebGUI version numbering/naming: Right now there is a 7.6.9 beta. Will there ever be a 7.6.9 stable? In other words, is the "beta" or "stable" designation part of the version id, or not? (I'm hoping it is not) | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | there will never be a 7.6.9 stable | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | there is only ever one release with a given version number | 21:45 |
| jmarsden|work | Thanks! | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | 3 times a week, deafferret | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | In these lean times, we all must cut back | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, only twice a week. I go running 3 times a week | 22:22 |
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| deafferret | perlDreamer is dreamy :) | 22:52 |
| * perlDreamer is often sweaty and tired. Not very dreamy in appearance | 23:12 | |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r9278 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): Prevent redirects from happening when cutting images and files. | 23:42 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, you getting ripped or something? You going to be as big as Bart next time I see you? | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I intend on bench pressing several developers, yes. But I'll still be short and ugly. | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, mean looking | 00:09 |
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| deafferret | "rugged" | 00:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: you might be able to glean some cost savings from this article http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/solar_energy_some_tips.html | 01:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, read that. | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | be a battery hacker | 01:46 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but even with solar at record lows, 10-12K for a 4kw system, that is really a 1kw system here, and only for 6 hours a day. So $10K for 6kwh a day. Or $5k for 24kwh a day with wind using the otherpower plans. I'm a long ways from sold on solar. | 01:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but their advice on reclaiming dead batteries is a great idea. | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's the meat of the article right there | 01:47 |
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| elnino | hi quick question | 01:50 |
| elnino | Im editing an image...right now, and I see that you have it's dimensions. | 01:50 |
| elnino | I'm also looking at the dbschema.. Is that stored anywhere? | 01:50 |
| elnino | I see sizes for gallery, but not the image asset. | 01:50 |
| elnino | I only see the thumbnail size for the image asset... | 01:50 |
| elnino | so that must be calc'd on the fly? | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: yes | 01:51 |
| elnino | ok.. perfect. Thanks perlDreamer!!! Have a good night! | 01:52 |
| +cap10morgan | has anyone ever used fun Perl tie'ing magic to turn WebGUI's errorHandler into a filehandle for passing off to some non-WebGUI code that wants to print it's debugging statements? | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope | 01:58 |
| @Haarg | can't say that i have | 01:58 |
| +cap10morgan | seem like a good or a great idea? ;) | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's not bad at all. | 01:59 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: you around? | 02:00 |
| @tavisto | elnino, got any good news for me? :) | 02:05 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto does drumroll* | 02:05 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto waves magic wand* | 02:06 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto cues the orchestra for climactic music* | 02:08 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto rolls out the red carpet for Comtrol* | 02:09 |
| @tavisto | .... | 02:10 |
| @perlmonkey2 | preaction: well if you get this, the widget fix is probably done, just need to do some more testing, which I'll do tomorrow. | 02:10 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto looks at watch* | 02:10 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto whistles & taps foot* | 02:11 |
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| @tavisto | *tavisto gives up for now and decides to go run a few miles on the treadmill* bbl | 02:14 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r9279 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm): fixed: Paginator generates bad markup for next page links | 02:19 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r9280 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: Exporting to static files can leak large amounts of memory | 02:19 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r9281 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: HTTP Proxy doesn't serve new content to visitors | 02:19 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r9282 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (21 files in 10 dirs): fixed: WebGUI doesn't handle UTF8 encoding on JSON consistently | 02:19 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r9283 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): fixed: Asset Manager can generate URLs that are too long | 02:19 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: graham * r9284 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.39 release | 02:19 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r9285 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm: Paginator returns undef or url in array context. | 03:16 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r9286 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm): Forward port Paginator markup fixes. | 03:16 |
| * perlDreamer steps out for some dinner. | 03:17 | |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: meatbop * r9287 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.10/root_import_matrix.wgpkg: New interface for the Matrix | 03:44 |
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| Lisette | in a workflow i can get a value from a form? | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | not really | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the session would have to be tied to the form somehow | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would depend on whether WebGUI or spectre launched the workflow | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | they have the opera browser download rate limited to 10 KB/sec | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | that's just nutz | 04:39 |
| @rizen | actually workflow activities have www methods | 04:41 |
| Lisette | actually in what version? | 04:42 |
| @rizen | 7.5 certainly, but probably before that | 04:42 |
| Lisette | i have 7.5, i to try | 04:42 |
| Lisette | thanks | 04:42 |
| @rizen | theres an example of how to do it in the dev guide | 04:47 |
| Lisette | in the book? | 04:48 |
| @rizen | yes | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | son of a gun. activityHelper | 04:51 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9288 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 06:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: added a new function to WebGUI::HTML to parse html text and extract a list of elements based on a tag | 06:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: spec. used to extract paragraphs for the synopsis; convert FeedPP properties to scalar context so that | 06:27 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: blank fields are rendered properly. | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | nice work, daviddelikat | 06:32 |
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| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r9289 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): i18n and hoverhelp for the definition | 07:49 |
| CIA-39 | WebGUI: colin * r9290 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm: Make the failed subnet log message clearer. | 07:49 |
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| DeepZero | anyone here ? | 11:00 |
| SynQ | yups | 11:00 |
| SynQ | but not actively following or responsive though :P | 11:00 |
| DeepZero | i have a question, has to do with iframe breaking out and redirecting when i embed it | 11:00 |
| DeepZero | you any good with javascript ? | 11:00 |
| SynQ | not at all | 11:00 |
| SynQ | I'm good with ls, du, w, ps, top and such | 11:00 |
| DeepZero | its a tricky one | 11:00 |
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| SDuensin | Howdy. | 17:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, SDuensin | 17:33 |
| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer | 17:33 |
| +perlDreamer | how is your takeover of the world coming? | 17:33 |
| SDuensin | Slow but sure. Built myself a second LAN in the house to abuse. | 17:34 |
| * SDuensin thinks he might just put "Code Monkey" on loop all day. | 17:34 | |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Ah, anyone know how to set the style properly, from a styleId? | 17:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: what do you mean? | 17:51 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: ah, I didn't think process was being called, but it looks like it is. | 17:53 |
| -!- Haarg changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.5.39-stable | 7.6.9-beta | WRE 0.8.5 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | 17:53 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm working on the Widgets, but I'm not seeing where I could set the style. Nothing seems to process the template. | 17:56 |
| @perlmonkey2 | macro::process just calls view which only adds the admin bar if turned on. | 17:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 18:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, so session->{_style} needs to be set to a style object, but I see no way in Style to set it to a particular style. | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | setStyle? | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | session->{_style} is set to a WebGUI::Session::Style object | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | as for which style template is used, it always depends on what the calling code wants | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | it has to explicitly ask for a style template | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->style->process($output, $styleId) | 18:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So I need to pass the processed template to the style process method, with the desired styleId? | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->style->process('this stuff', 'wrapped in this templateId'); | 18:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | my $content = $self->view; $content = $session->style->process($content, $styleTemplateId); ? | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | looks right | 18:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I would have thoguht view would have already of applied the style? | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no, view may be called as a child of another asset | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | assetproxy for example calls view on assets - you wouldn't want it to return stuff wrapped in a style template | 18:11 |
| @Haarg | or pulling each individual asset into a page layout | 18:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that makes sense. | 18:11 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Which is why the widgets aren't getting any style information at all, thus this bug. | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | will the Apache request object return non-unique parameter names? | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | There's a loop over the params in Session/Form that's just there to make things unique | 18:17 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: so if you name a form object 'a1' and later on resuse 'a1', will Apache give you two a1's, in an array? good question. Which would be first? | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | no clue | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | but surely List::MoreUtils::uniq would be faster | 18:21 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure if it will return the same thing multiple times, but it would probably be faster to get the hashref and use keys | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll do that | 18:31 |
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| topsub | I have added a collab system in webgui ( 7.5.36 ) and when i post threads i can't reply to the tread. I am using the default template. Do i have some setting wrong? | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | what prevents you from replying? | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | no link? error? | 18:58 |
| topsub | not sure i am seeing nothing on the page | 18:58 |
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| topsub | i see what i posted | 18:58 |
| topsub | but no links to reply or anything | 18:58 |
| topsub | I see edit / delete | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the thread's version control status? | 18:59 |
| topsub | its commited and i have cleared chace | 19:00 |
| topsub | cache* | 19:00 |
| topsub | in the template it has an if statement... <tmpl_if user.canReply>. How does webgui tell this? | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Asset/Post/Thread, line 49 | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | thread is not locked | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | parent CS has allow replies turned on | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | parent CS checks userId to see if he can post | 19:03 |
| topsub | ugh in the collab some how the allow replies was turned off | 19:04 |
| topsub | thanks! | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, is it bad coding to access the Apache request object outside of Session/Form? | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | i wouldn't say so - although using it to get form paramaters is questionable | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, that's what I needed to know. | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm working on the profile field form bug from preaction, and that's exactly what it requires | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add a method to Session/Form to wrap it up | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | what will the method be? | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Form->hasParam | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and essentially it will be | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | have you discussed it with preaction recently? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe if preaction sees his name enough times | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction will come into the room and set me straight | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | we talked about it a bit, and i'm not sure if that's the correct solution | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | well, for one, each form control would need to have a similar method | 19:08 |
| @preaction | i defer to Haarg's judgement in this matter | 19:08 |
| @Haarg | and that would have to be the one you would use for something like the profile system | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | right, that's what he proposed in the bug | 19:08 |
| @Haarg | but you still run into trouble with check lists | 19:08 |
| @Haarg | because you can't count them as not being submitted just because they weren't submitted | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | then they could always return true | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that's about the best you could do | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | or, they could put an auxiliary variable which says they are present | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | which would help tell the difference between all unselected, and not present at all | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | is that the problem with the check lists? | 19:10 |
| @Haarg | roughly | 19:10 |
| * perlDreamer starts to think that the real problem is not the form system, but the profile system and its widespread abuse | 19:10 | |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | really, it should only process things it knows were in the form | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | which is impossible, since people can hand code templates | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | i admit i haven't looked at the profile code in detail for a while | 19:12 |
| SynQ | nice | 19:15 |
| SynQ | Start mod_proxy: FAILED! | 19:15 |
| SynQ | and still it started | 19:16 |
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| SynQ | aha | 19:18 |
| SynQ | it does a HTTP::Request | 19:18 |
| SynQ | hmm | 19:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | The WRE is similar to false labor, SynQ | 19:23 |
| SynQ | is it? | 19:23 |
| SynQ | why? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | "It FAILED.... no it didn't" | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | "I'm having a contraction, the baby is coming.... no it's not" | 19:23 |
| SynQ | hehe | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought it was an analogy you could empathize with | 19:24 |
| SynQ | I fixed it allready | 19:24 |
| SynQ | the WRE path | 19:24 |
| SynQ | stuff | 19:24 |
| SynQ | you have to put a default site in there | 19:24 |
| SynQ | :P | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, for a second I thought you were talking about Tessa | 19:24 |
| SynQ | no way | 19:27 |
| SynQ | I think she is asleep on the couch | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | And she's probably find just the way she is. No need for fixing. | 19:27 |
| SynQ | I am a hero :) | 19:29 |
| SynQ | just ask patrick | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Mr. Donelan? | 19:29 |
| SynQ | indeed zo | 19:29 |
| SynQ | all I need to find out now | 19:30 |
| SynQ | is how to fix these kind of errors: Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big | 19:30 |
| SynQ | how do I troubleshoot them | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | those aren't errors | 19:30 |
| SynQ | are so | 19:30 |
| @Haarg | those aren't errors unless they are happenning very frequently | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that's SizeLimit doing its job | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | when the process is too big, SizeLimit kills it | 19:30 |
| SynQ | is webgui meant to leak memory all the time? | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | we have to help the hardware guys out in these hard times | 19:30 |
| @Haarg | it's not just WebGUI | 19:31 |
| SynQ | hehe | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | perl doesn't release memory back to the OS | 19:31 |
| SynQ | oh | 19:31 |
| SynQ | hmm | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | it will reuse memory internally though | 19:31 |
| SynQ | how frequenty is very frequently? | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | well, what are the numbers you are seeing? | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | requests/lifetime | 19:31 |
| SynQ | REQUESTS=51 LIFETIME=792 seconds | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 12 minutes | 19:32 |
| SynQ | REQUESTS=46 LIFETIME=546 seconds | 19:32 |
| SynQ | Haarg: is that very frequently? | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | seems reasonanble | 19:34 |
| @Haarg | -n | 19:34 |
| SynQ | hmm | 19:34 |
| SynQ | in that case | 19:34 |
| SynQ | I don't want to log these probably | 19:34 |
| SynQ | since logging that is just a shame | 19:35 |
| SynQ | in practice | 19:35 |
| SynQ | that means that I can also reap a process after 50 requests by the prefork MPM | 19:36 |
| SynQ | which seems to me is more efficient | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | there isn't any way to prevent it from being logged without modifying the Apache2::SizeLimit code | 19:36 |
| SynQ | hm | 19:37 |
| SynQ | first I'm going to try to make the process smaller by default | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | although if you had apache killing the processes after 50 requests or whatever | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | it would only log that for ones that got too big early | 19:38 |
| SynQ | indeed | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if I'm going modify 53 form controls by hand, I'd like to make sure I'm doing the best thing for WebGUI. | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have any other ideas for doing the form detection? | 19:39 |
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| @Haarg | not really | 19:39 |
| SynQ | is there a best practice on how to make the memory footprint smaller? | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | although it shouldn't involve modifying all of them | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | no, only the ones where isDynamicCompatible=1 and they have more than 1 form name/element | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and select types | 19:40 |
| @Haarg | and ones like file | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be one of the multiple form element types | 19:40 |
| @Haarg | that use a different form name from the one that is given to them | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that, too | 19:40 |
| SynQ | the WebGUI Administrators Guide doesn't give a lot of performance tuning hints | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | didn't rizen do a whole presentation on tuning at WUC2K8? | 19:41 |
| SynQ | he did | 19:41 |
| @preaction | is it up on webgui.tv yet/ | 19:43 |
| @preaction | looks like no | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | the slides should be available | 19:43 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9292 /branch/doug-experimental/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9293 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.39-stable: Release 7.5.39-stable | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9294 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Adding hoverhelp to the Survey's edit question dialog. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9295 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm: Reverting the Photo resolutions upscale bugfix. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9296 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm: | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Asset method chaining prevents making a back to site url if the | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: parent is not accessible due to version tags. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9297 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm: | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: If the user alters their credentials/billing information, then create | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: a temporary address and use that for the transaction. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9298 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document bug fixes. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9299 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting bug fixes for billing address and asset with uncommitted parent. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9300 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Adding hoverhelp to Survey's edit answer dialog | 19:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9301 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm: | 19:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactor out the check for the session-request outside of the nested | 19:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: conditionals. | 19:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Use the hashref out of the request object to speed up param name lookups. | 19:51 |
| @preaction | mmmm spam-tastic | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | constipated | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would help if that colin guy didn't have such big commit messages, too | 19:51 |
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| bpmedley | hi | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy! | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have some WebGUI questions? | 19:56 |
| bpmedley | not currently, i'm new to plain black | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | well, welcome to IRC | 19:57 |
| bpmedley | thx | 19:57 |
| * deafferr1t downs boxes of Twinkies and waits for perlDreamer to go to the gym | 20:00 | |
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| +perlDreamer | no gym today, deafferret, sorry | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | just running | 20:01 |
| * deafferret switches to crates of crab ragoons since it's running day | 20:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret has exquisite taste | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm making this too hard. | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | File and Image are not problems, since they require the presence of form variable to do anything | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem comes with what to do with the absence of form controls | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and whether that means to make the value of the form 0/undefined, or if it means that it was not there at all | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, specifically, which form controls started the headache with the profile system? | 20:08 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: it was a custom form control | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should just instrument them all, whether they need it or not for completeness then | 20:10 |
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| SynQ | wow | 20:22 |
| SynQ | using two database servers, two webservers, a loadbalancer, database caching, slave database setting, and a loadbalancer really makes for a fast responding site :) | 20:23 |
| SynQ | time for diner :) | 20:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, Widget.pm macro doesn't look like it defaults to being added in the conf file. Is there some trick to using it? | 20:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: YOu have any idea on that? | 20:31 |
| @preaction | add it to the config file should be fine | 20:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: hmm, I guess I need to know a bit more about what a widget is supposed to do. Looking over the macro code, it isn't obvious. | 20:40 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: you do ^Widget("assetId"); and it creates a little thing to allow users to put that asset on their own site | 20:51 |
| @preaction | the Extreme Syndication presentation I did has a little more information, but not too much | 20:52 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: okay, that is what that widget is doing then. So if I cut and pasted the icon code on another page, it would show the WG asset there? | 20:54 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey2: if you click on the icon, it pops up a box with some code in it. if you copy/paste that code yes | 20:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: okay, looks like I had a typo in my code, which is why it wasn't obviuos how it worked :P | 20:57 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9302 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Image.pm: | 21:17 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Image can inherit getStorageLocation from its parent since | 21:17 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: WebGUI::Storage::Image was absorbed into WebGUI::Storage. | 21:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: that doens't appear to work. The other site would need the WebGUI libs with it? | 21:40 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: it shouldn't. but the other site needs to be able to grab a URL from the origin site | 21:41 |
| @preaction | (so the origin can't be behind a firewall or NAT) | 21:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: the problem is the code created uses WebGUI.widgetbox | 21:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | not something another site would normally have. | 21:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, I think I see what's up. <script type='text/javascript' src='http://www.test.com/extras/wgwidget.js'> </script> isn't working for some reason. That should be including the lib | 21:43 |
| @preaction | there should be a script tag in the code box that pops up that includes the www/extras/wgwidget.js file. if not, you'll need to do it yourself i guess | 21:43 |
| @preaction | yeah | 21:43 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | oh snap, look who's got some style rubbed on their widget. | 21:52 |
| @preaction | word! | 21:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9303 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/TimeZone.pm: Fix a typo in the TimeZone POD. | 21:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9304 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (SelectSlider.pm HexSlider.pm): More POD fixes for Form controls. | 21:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9305 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/SelectSlider.pm: Fix copy/paste POD from HexSlider to SelectSlider. | 21:53 |
| Lisette | i can do a form control to change the calendar of the profile for the date birthday? | 21:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: I just checked it in. How do you want to give the client the patch? | 21:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | just want a patch file for the 3 changed files? | 21:56 |
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| elnino | has anyone used ldap auth module with Microsoft's active directory by anychance? | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | not directly, but i've looked into how it works | 22:47 |
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| elnino | ok. I was just wondering if it's compatible. I'm still readin gthe admins book... =) | 22:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9307 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Macro Widgets now take a style, defaulting to the users. | 22:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9308 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed: Added the ability to choose which rich editor is used to compose inbox messages | 22:53 |
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| Lisett1 | which is the name of form of profile of Edit user? | 00:16 |
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| elnino | ok. back to ldap, so if I understand this correctly, this is COOL. a webgui wil be autocreated and registerd if their signon creditials validdate against LDAP (given that auto LDAP registration is enabled)? very good. | 00:44 |
| elnino | And, if I can figure out the groups, I will be able to create groups by quering ldap for it's groups, so I don't have to do group managment? Very cool. looks like some people attempted LDAP to work with CD, I'll create a wiki when this is done... | 00:46 |
| elnino | which book was otherwise known as "ruling webgui"? | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | elnino: i dunno, but it might have been that book was split into the three books we have: Content Managers, Administrators, and Designer's guides | 00:54 |
| elnino | ok =) | 00:54 |
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| binyamin | oo - does that support radius or ad? | 01:17 |
| @tavisto | trivia question for PB staff or community: If you have a syndicated content asset and you enter in a new CS RSS feed, will it instantly bring in all of the past stories? Or will it only bring in new stories? | 01:21 |
| @Haarg | it will bring in all the entries that the CS currently has in its rss feed | 01:28 |
| @tavisto | alright, thanks Haarg | 01:29 |
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| wgGuest99 | hay | 07:30 |
| wgGuest99 | wanna know about web GUI | 07:30 |
| wgGuest99 | who can help me? | 07:31 |
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| elnino_ | happy saturday to all! I just thought I'd shake things up - it's been awfully quiet. | 22:57 |
| @bpmedley | greetings | 22:58 |
| elnino_ | bpmedley, are you a new employee? | 22:58 |
| @bpmedley | yes | 22:59 |
| @bpmedley | started friday | 22:59 |
| @bpmedley | Brian | 22:59 |
| elnino_ | Welcome Brian. - developer? marketing? | 22:59 |
| elnino_ | other? | 22:59 |
| elnino_ | I'm the one that apparently reports difficult bugs. | 23:00 |
| @bpmedley | Dev / Tech | 23:00 |
| @bpmedley | hah | 23:00 |
| elnino_ | stDavid and steveo_aa look new to me too. new employees as well? | 23:01 |
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| bernd_ | jmarsden|work or jmarsden, are you reading? | 14:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9309 /translations/German/German/Account_Inbox.pm: Update from translation server | 14:24 |
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| bpmedley | howdy.. anyone here? | 20:06 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9310 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Survey Default Question template no longer has a random words entry. Removed until feature completed. | 20:32 |
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| elnino_ | bpmedley hi. | 21:11 |
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| daviddelikat | why is it that some tickets have buttons to edit status etc and other tickets do not? | 01:13 |
| bpmedley | not sure | 01:13 |
| @preaction | permissions | 01:14 |
| daviddelikat | so should i avoid the tickets that i don't have perms for? | 01:15 |
| @preaction | no, you can just comment that you've fixed it and it can be closed | 01:16 |
| daviddelikat | what if I want to request feedback? | 01:19 |
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| bpmedley | how do I take a url like flexmenu/new and get the wording "New" from it? | 01:51 |
| daviddelikat | try this: $result = ucfirst(split'/',$text)[-1]) | 01:55 |
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| @bpmedley | sorry.. in javascript | 01:56 |
| @bpmedley | it's the "Insert A Link" page from the tinymce editor | 01:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9311 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm: Posix character classes have to be used inside of regexp classes. | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | bpmedley, javascript has a split method on string variables | 02:17 |
| @bpmedley | is there a way to go from "yns/docs" to "Get Documentation" | 02:21 |
| @bpmedley | sorry for the ambiguity | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | in javascript? | 02:22 |
| @bpmedley | yes | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | what exactly are you trying to do? | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the whole story? | 02:22 |
| @bpmedley | ticket 4148 | 02:23 |
| patspam | bpmedley: (function(str) {var x = str.replace(/.*\//, ''); return x[0].toUpperCase() + x.substr(1); })("flexmenuy/new"); | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 02:24 |
| @bpmedley | I'm trying to make the tinymce plugin work for Inserting a WebGUI Assett Link? | 02:24 |
| @bpmedley | ? => . | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it already does that | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the problem of going across the SSL boundary | 02:25 |
| @bpmedley | didn't seem to work when i tried it | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it works on 7.6.10 | 02:27 |
| @bpmedley | i was working on 7.5.22.. | 02:27 |
| @bpmedley | should i do development in 7.6.10? | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | when fixing bugs, I usually try to duplicate it in the latest version of whatever branch they're in | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which in this case would be 7.5.9 | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, 7.5.39 | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and Haarg seemed pretty confident it was due to crossing the SSL boundary due to apache rewrites in the WRE | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | unless he's told you something different | 02:32 |
| @bpmedley | the svn branch is https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.5 | 02:33 |
| @bpmedley | is that the latest for 7.5? | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | on my dev setup, it's working okay, but I don't have SSL turned on and I don't use the WRE | 02:34 |
| @bpmedley | hrmm.. ok | 02:34 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9312 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: | 04:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fixed a bug where newly created questions would not pre-populate answers | 04:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: (caused by my refactoring) | 04:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9313 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Refactored updateQuestionAnswers and addAnswersToQuestion in SurveyJSON | 04:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9314 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm t/splitTag.t): added splitTag test cases | 06:12 |
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| elnino | anyone awake? | 06:46 |
| elnino | helloooo? | 06:50 |
| @bpmedley | yes | 06:50 |
| @bpmedley | i may not be much help.. :) | 06:50 |
| elnino | hi!! | 06:50 |
| @bpmedley | how's it going | 06:50 |
| elnino | that's ok, I know your new.. =) | 06:50 |
| elnino | Oh I'm having fun. | 06:51 |
| @bpmedley | how so? | 06:51 |
| elnino | I work with a VERY creatigve person, who can't get organized for the life of her. So I'm trying to make sense of all her content. but anyway... | 06:51 |
| elnino | I want to have several calendars of differrent "events" | 06:51 |
| elnino | like: speaking engagements, onlne seminars, and book signing. | 06:52 |
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| @bpmedley | google calendar? | 06:52 |
| elnino | webgui calendar | 06:52 |
| elnino | but I also want a master schedule. | 06:52 |
| @bpmedley | oh.. you're adding some stuff for webgui | 06:52 |
| @bpmedley | inherited tables? | 06:53 |
| elnino | so do I use literally more than one calendar? or can I use content profiing? | 06:53 |
| elnino | calendar is an asset already in webgui. oh, I'm not in code. in this case, just user. | 06:53 |
| @bpmedley | i don't think i can be much help right now.. i'm still working on my first ticket | 06:54 |
| elnino | =) that's fine. | 06:54 |
| elnino | what ticket are you working on? | 06:55 |
| @bpmedley | 4148 | 06:56 |
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| elnino | looks fun. | 07:01 |
| @bpmedley | i did a source install and realize now i need a wre install | 07:01 |
| @bpmedley | mostly done with the wre now | 07:02 |
| elnino | and you are still alive? =) I did that, and it took me two weeks. it was a 64bit platform that wasn't supported at the time. | 07:02 |
| elnino | what a pain, wre is much nicer. | 07:03 |
| @bpmedley | cool | 07:04 |
| elnino | bpmedley - good luck. I'm going now. | 07:40 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:15 |
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| @bpmedley | howdy | 17:15 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9315 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): adding grade book view to Survey | 17:31 |
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| SVIFI | anyone has an idea, why SQL query from webgui would not work with ending "where x=? OR y=?" | 18:42 |
| @preaction | SVIFI: what do you mean by "doesn't work"? what does the error log say? | 18:45 |
| SVIFI | doesn't return anything | 18:46 |
| SVIFI | while if I leave only one condition, dropping OR - it works | 18:46 |
| @preaction | are there two placeholder params? | 18:48 |
| SVIFI | x is industry1, y is industry2 (of the record) and now certain industry is selected, e.g. 5 | 18:51 |
| SVIFI | i wanted to display all records that have industry 5 as either primary or secondary industry | 18:51 |
| @preaction | i don't understand. are there two values to fill the ? | 18:52 |
| @preaction | you can't use one value to fill two ? | 18:52 |
| SVIFI | no, only one | 18:52 |
| SVIFI | it is the same current industry number (e.g. 5) | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | where are you making this query? In code, in an asset, in a group? | 18:52 |
| @preaction | but you need to have the value twice, so that it fills both placeholders | 18:53 |
| SVIFI | quiery is in query window of "SQL Report" type object | 18:53 |
| SVIFI | so what would I need to do to have placeholder '?' print the value twice? | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | like preaction said, you do not | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | in the placeholder params field, you put the value twice | 18:55 |
| SVIFI | I see what you mean, it worked | 18:57 |
| SVIFI | thanks guys, I appreciat it | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction++ | 19:07 |
| @preaction | perlbot karma preaction | 19:08 |
| perlbot | Karma for preaction: 31 | 19:08 |
| @preaction | yay! | 19:08 |
| @preaction | perlbot karma perlDreamer | 19:08 |
| perlbot | Karma for perlDreamer: 31 | 19:08 |
| @preaction | hmm... | 19:08 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer++ | 19:08 |
| @preaction | perlbot karma perlDreamer | 19:08 |
| perlbot | Karma for perlDreamer: 32 | 19:08 |
| @preaction | yay! | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you have much more karam than I do, regardless of the scope | 19:09 |
| @preaction | perlbot karam preaction | 19:09 |
| @preaction | c'mon... tell me! | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | see, perlbot cannot measure karam | 19:09 |
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| mjmcevoy | morning all. I'm new to WebGUI, installed it yesterday. | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Awesome! How did it go? | 19:20 |
| mjmcevoy | I'm having site creation problems with MySQL login failures. | 19:20 |
| mjmcevoy | Is this a MySQL issue in general, or is there a seperate database for WebGUI? | 19:21 |
| mjmcevoy | Installation was a breeze. | 19:21 |
| mjmcevoy | After I read the install doc. | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | WRE or source install? | 19:21 |
| mjmcevoy | WRE | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | have you made sure that the system's mysql is disabled, and moved the my.cnf in /etc? | 19:22 |
| mjmcevoy | I did that, I'll try again and see. | 19:26 |
| binyamin | que es bpmedley? | 19:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm going through and adding to the POD on the Survey. Did I ever mention what a good job you did on that? | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm glad you like it. | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::ProfileField needs a good cleanup so that it doesn't have to build forms multiple times. | 19:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9317 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: adding Transposed results export to Survey | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | go yung! | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Good evening, BartJol | 20:04 |
| +BartJol | good evening | 20:04 |
| +BartJol | afternoon for you | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | morning, actually | 20:05 |
| +BartJol | ah | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd put up some instructions for installing the translation server with the WRE on the wiki | 20:05 |
| +BartJol | you don't have complicated question, do you? | 20:05 |
| +BartJol | ah, that's nice | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | me, no | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | would you like a complicated question? I'm sure I can find one somewhere. | 20:06 |
| +BartJol | I'm cached a very heavy cold, so heavy, I'm suprised I can carry it | 20:06 |
| +BartJol | so rather no complicated questions | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll run interference for you | 20:08 |
| +BartJol | so in the middle, people don't have colds in intriguate pattern? | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Intriguate? | 20:10 |
| +BartJol | complicated | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Intricate | 20:10 |
| +BartJol | ah | 20:10 |
| +BartJol | ooh, Knight rider is on! | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | You really _are_ sick. | 20:12 |
| +BartJol | that's what I said | 20:12 |
| @preaction | the Real Knight Rider or the "new" knight rider? | 20:12 |
| * perlDreamer feels a flame war coming on | 20:12 | |
| +BartJol | no, the real with a heavy haired chested David Hasselhoff | 20:13 |
| +BartJol | hey, it's just soemthing from my youth, but it's mainly funny, because it's so predictable | 20:14 |
| +BartJol | is there a new series? That can't be as good | 20:14 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer: are salami powered rockets on myth busters better than KR? | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 20:22 |
| +BartJol | :) | 20:24 |
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| +BartJol | has pb a lot of new employees? | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | hordes of them | 20:44 |
| +BartJol | cool | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | they all seem to be pretty nice folk, too | 20:44 |
| @frodwith | We shall conquer the earth, all your base are belong to us, etc. | 20:45 |
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| +BartJol | ah, and that while jt hasn't become president, your forming a Junta? | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, your profile solution works | 20:46 |
| +BartJol | s/your/you're/ | 20:46 |
| @frodwith | More like a highly secretive cabal, I'd say. | 20:47 |
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| mjmcevoy | I started over with the setupo on WRE and I'm now getting: Couldn't start server. at ./wreconsole.pl line 51 | 21:44 |
| mjmcevoy | This is the httpd deamon | 21:44 |
| mjmcevoy | logged in as root | 21:44 |
| mjmcevoy | If anyone has an idea, go ahead and p[ost it. I'm going to work and will check when I get back after 0100CDT | 21:45 |
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| @bpmedley | Does apache have permissions to access the directories? | 23:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm sorry, but we're limited to only 15 perlmonkeys per channel | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | some of you guys are going to have to leave | 23:20 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: far too many of them.....must be stamped otu. | 23:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9318 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): | 23:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix handling of multi-form and multiple select form elements by emitting | 23:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: a hidden form variable to make sure the form element was in the generated form. | 23:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Changes in User and ProfileField to support this. | 23:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9319 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): POD docs added | 23:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9320 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Backporting the Form element, multiselect, Profile bug fix. | 23:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | hang onto your HTML, folks, Microsoft released IE 8 RC1 today. | 00:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Maybe it will get all the IE6'ers to move to IE7. | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and the IE5'ers to move to IE6? | 00:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | would that be an improvement? | 00:55 |
| @preaction | yes | 00:56 |
| @preaction | not as good as an improvement as, say, a savage beating with a cluebat would be | 00:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | This financial crisis may push FOSS out into the main-mainstream. One can dream of a day where MS is the one trying to scramble to stay compliant with the larger market shares. | 00:59 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (8 files in 7 dirs): Add stub POD to these modules to get them to pass the POD test. | 01:54 |
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| @preaction | if i had a paged report (a large result set from a query), would you expect the totals shown on the page to be for the entire report, or just for that page of the report? | 02:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | the whole report | 03:59 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: ping | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Can someone with a recent WRE please run this for me: | 05:01 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9322 /WebGUI/t/POD.t: | 05:01 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Detect when Devel::Symdump pukes and skip modules that fail falsely. | 05:01 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Give better diagnostics so that true coverage can be monitored. | 05:01 |
| +perlDreamer | perl -MLWP::MediaTypes -e 'print $LWP::MediaTypes::VERSION;' | 05:01 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: pong | 05:01 |
| patspam | yo yo | 05:02 |
| patspam | just trying to get my head around the json encoding bug | 05:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: works for me, looks pretty cool. | 05:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: ah, okay | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | what does it print? :P | 05:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, it is a real tough one. | 05:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: http://pastebin.com/d7660b656 | 05:03 |
| patspam | if I enter some funky text: "smart quotes", that text appears to get stored in the db as-is | 05:03 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: did you get my messages a while back. That at least the first time it is posted, it gets recorded correctly? | 05:04 |
| patspam | hmmm no i don't think i got that message... damn | 05:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | when you submit a question edit or whatever, it shows up correclty. | 05:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but then if you reload the editor or something, it is bad. | 05:05 |
| patspam | it goes bad at the point where the SurveyJSON new() constructor calls from_json | 05:06 |
| patspam | at that point the text becomes: \x{e2}\x{80}\x{9c}smart quotes\x{e2}\x{80}\x{9d} | 05:06 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | so is it mis-encoded? | 05:08 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: hah | 05:12 |
| patspam | heh yes.. i'm just not sure which bit is mis-encoded | 05:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I passed the utf8=>1 flag and those smart quotes work. | 05:13 |
| patspam | yeah.. that's the same as using decode_json instead of from_json | 05:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | so does that mean that the smart quotes were never properly decoded from utf8? | 05:14 |
| patspam | yeah i think so | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I think they're decoded in Session::Form | 05:14 |
| +perlmonkey2 | seems like haarg had worked this all out and had a bug report in. I was trying to keep up, but not something you can really understand without your full attention. | 05:14 |
| patspam | ok... i was musing that maybe they're not decoded because Session::Form::paramsHash() is used instead of Session::Form::param() | 05:15 |
| patspam | param() has some explicit Encode:: stuff in there but ParamsHash() doesn't | 05:15 |
| * perlDreamer likes seeing :P multiple times in a post | 05:15 | |
| patspam | hehe, got my tongue hanging out because we're in the middle of a heat-wave over here | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | paramsHash is not used very much | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it could still be an outstanding problem | 05:16 |
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| * perlDreamer has to become a math teacher for a while, bbl | 05:16 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm.....patspam that sounds like it then. | 05:16 |
| patspam | paramsHash is used in www_submitObjectEdit.. | 05:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | what idiot uses paramsHash anyways :P | 05:17 |
| patspam | hehe | 05:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: did you try adding the explicit decode in paramsHashRef? I did and it looks like it worked (yes I remembered to pull out the utf8 flag in from_json). | 05:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wow, can't believe that work.s | 05:20 |
| patspam | awesome! | 05:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: do you need a burn center? Cause you are freak'n on fire. | 05:21 |
| patspam | i started playing this morning but hadn't gotten around to trying it properly | 05:21 |
| patspam | hah, like i said, heat wave over here! 40 degrees celcius for the next 5 days | 05:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | sounds brutal. | 05:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | we get a few weeks of that here in the summer, but right now we've got a cm of ice covering everything. | 05:22 |
| patspam | mmm i could do with a bit of that over here! | 05:23 |
| patspam | what did you use to decode the utf8? | 05:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9323 /WebGUI/t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t: | 05:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add module version detecting to this test to handle WRE and non-WRE | 05:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: installations of WebGUI. | 05:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9324 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm: Form::paramHashRef now does explicit utf8 decoding | 05:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: The same code from ::param | 05:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Encode::decoce_utf8 | 05:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I figure if it is used in param, it should probably be in paramHashRef | 05:27 |
| patspam | i get: "Cannot decode string with wide characters" when i try that | 05:28 |
| patspam | that's calling decode_utf8 on the output from paramsHashRef.. maybe that won't work | 05:29 |
| patspam | i'll try the code you just checked in | 05:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | whups | 05:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | little too hasty on that commit. | 05:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: Any idea why that wouldn't work? | 05:36 |
| patspam | the string that paramsHashRef sees looks like: "\x{201c}smart quotes\x{201d} aren\x{2019}t very smart\x{2026}a" | 05:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: the survey should have never touched the params by that call. | 05:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | So this is happening during the post. | 05:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | FormValidator::process? | 05:48 |
| patspam | maybe mysql is doing it | 05:53 |
| patspam | currently the string stored in the db is utf8 encoded | 05:53 |
| patspam | if you add Encode::decode_utf8($jsonHash); to loadSurveyJSON when it pulls the data out of mysql that fixes it | 05:54 |
| patspam | but the data isn't supposed to be stored as utf8 encoded right? | 05:54 |
| patspam | it's supposed to be decoded prior to saving to the db | 05:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, did you say that the string was messed up after the call to process? | 05:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | in paramshashref/ | 05:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ? | 05:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | because I'm not seeing that. | 05:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: everything in the DB should be utf8. | 05:55 |
| patspam | ok, if the string from the db is utf8, then that explains why from_json fails | 05:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, I see the correct smart quotes in the db. | 05:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: why? | 05:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | what else would it be in the DB? | 05:58 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I wonder if DBD::MySQL handles those encodings? | 05:58 |
| patspam | from_json expects a non-utf8, non-binary string | 05:59 |
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| patspam | the surveyJSON field is a longblob | 05:59 |
| patspam | so presumably the db call returns a binary string | 05:59 |
| patspam | very interesting.. | 06:02 |
| patspam | if you change the field type to long, instead of longblob, she workie | 06:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | long? | 06:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | longText seemed to fix it. | 06:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you are a genius | 06:03 |
| patspam | no way, i don't really understand any of this | 06:03 |
| patspam | what field type does the rest of wg use for json fields? | 06:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Hmm, surveyResponse probably needs longText also. | 06:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, no idea. | 06:04 |
| patspam | Poll uses blob | 06:05 |
| patspam | DataForm uses text | 06:06 |
| patspam | i wonder if Poll has the same bug.. | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Product uses mediumtext | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | DataForm uses mediumtet | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | mediumtext | 06:07 |
| patspam | ok, I think we're on a winner then | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | err, text | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and before every table creation, it sets character_set_client to utf8 | 06:09 |
| * perlDreamer quits kibitzing and goes back to fixing but busted-ass TimeTracker of doom | 06:10 | |
| patspam | my logic is that if a binary field type is used, the non-binary string gets converted to a UTF8-encoded binary string when its stored, and thus returned as a binary string, which blows up from_json | 06:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: I never did follow what the difference would be. | 06:14 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I see that it works though. | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | You guys should write up a dev list post, or wiki page about what you've learned | 06:15 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I just wonder if the DB text fields specify an encoding, whereas the blob ones, do not. And if an encoding is not specified, perhaps perl assumes it is a perl internal string? | 06:15 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I haven't learned anything useful :( | 06:15 |
| +perlmonkey2 | just that json should use text types. | 06:15 |
| patspam | i think i've learned a little bit more than when i woke up this morning | 06:16 |
| patspam | for instance, i see why blob works too, as long as you do a utf8 decode right after reading from the db | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | really there are 3 sets of actors in this. 1, the browser, 2, perl and apache, and 3, mysql | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | they all have to have defined boundaries and standards | 06:18 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9325 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm: Removed explict utf8 decode from paramHashRef | 06:18 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9326 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Survey.surveyJSON and Survey_response.responseJSON fields will be altered to longText from longBlob. Future JSON fields should probably always be text type db fields. | 06:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | the documents dont' even make sense. unicode are multi-byte characters, right? Perlfunc ord: Returns the numeric (the native 8-bit encoding, like ASCII or EBCDIC, or Unicode) | 06:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | so ord returns the 8 bit encoding or the codepoint? | 06:19 |
| patspam | perlDreamer: graham was right that wg::form was doing the right thing with encoding/decoding the json (which should always be utf8 from the browser) | 06:20 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: with text field type instead of binary, looks like mysql is still storing the string as utf8 | 06:22 |
| patspam | if you do "select surveyJSON from Survey" you get question marks for the utf8 chars | 06:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: right, we want it as utf8, right? what else would it be? | 06:22 |
| patspam | because by default character_set_results is set to latin1 | 06:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, shouldn't be. | 06:23 |
| patspam | HOW VARIABLES LIKE 'character_set_%'; | 06:23 |
| patspam | for mysql client | 06:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | drats, whoudl be set to utf8 by default | 06:23 |
| patspam | it's ok i think, doesn't effect dbd::mysql | 06:23 |
| patspam | only console mysql client | 06:23 |
| patspam | if you run "SET character_set_results=utf8;" | 06:23 |
| patspam | you see the proper string | 06:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, my console defaults to uft8. | 06:24 |
| patspam | ah ok | 06:24 |
| patspam | nice | 06:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | or utf8 even. | 06:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wow, that was a huge waste of time. I had a reason to use blob's over text, and I think it was so that encodings would never be messed with by the DB. | 06:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | little did I know, that meant I had to manually decode text coming back from the DB. | 06:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and that it is just easier to let MySQL+drivers to handle the encodings | 06:25 |
| patspam | heh, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing | 06:25 |
| patspam | I'd hate to see what sort of black magic dbd::mysql is doing to make it all work smoothly, i bet mysql is a nightmare when it comes to encoding.. | 06:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh, I'll never know, cause I'll never open up dbd::mysql :P let sleeping dragons lie. | 06:27 |
| patspam | yeah totally | 06:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: well bravo on that one. any idea where it should go in the wiki? | 06:28 |
| patspam | I'm replying to the dev list thread i started with graham as a first step | 06:30 |
| patspam | and then i reckon we should create a "Json best practices" article | 06:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh | 06:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | title "Listen to preaction, don't use JSON in the database." | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | You've got utf8 in my latin-1, | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and you've got latin-1 in my utf8 | 06:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Joel Spolosky would say the abstraction leaked at that point. | 06:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Perl tries to abstract encoding issues away, but sometimes a retarded developer will use BLOB's for his JSON and things get leaky. | 06:33 |
| patspam | heh, if you'd asked me 4 hours ago what mysql field type should have been used for json I would have said a binary type, because all i knew was the JSON is UTF8 encoded | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | If the character_class for text is set to be UTF8, isn't a binary field, or is the encoding being hidden from us? | 06:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: my guess is that when the db field is set to text, there is an econding associated with it, and dbd::mysql decodes to perl internal from that. | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that makes sense | 06:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | if it is binary, perl just assumes the text is perl internal. But see, I don't even begin to understand that, because I thought perl's internal encoding for strings was little utf8. | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it might be, if you put use utf8 everywhere | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Need to go dig into the guts of the SV for that | 06:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | what else would it be though? | 06:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | a string of octets have to have an encoding associated with them. | 06:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | are they 1 byte chars, multi-byte? | 06:41 |
| @preaction | is "getSummary" a better name than "getTotals" for a method that returns a bunch of name=> value pairs with information gathered from a report? | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | are the values in the pair totals? | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | if so, getTotals is more descriptive than getSummary (to me) | 06:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | me too, but if not, getSummary :) | 06:42 |
| @preaction | they can be totals, but they could also be averages or other metrics | 06:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, I vote summary then | 06:43 |
| @preaction | getStats perhaps? | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | there you go | 06:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | dig it | 06:44 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9327 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.pm Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm): | 08:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Replaced all decode/encode_json method calls with to/from_json method | 08:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: calls now that we've licked the Survey encoding bug (wrong mysql db | 08:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: field type) | 08:10 |
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| slickware | hey is Jamie in here? | 17:44 |
| @preaction | slickware: Jamie Vrbsky? not at the moment | 17:45 |
| slickware | ok. which one is he? i'll check back later :) | 17:45 |
| @preaction | i honestly don't know, your best way of getting a hold of him is to e-mail him | 17:45 |
| slickware | sounds good | 17:46 |
| slickware | hey while i'm in here | 17:46 |
| slickware | do you know of any decent online webgui vs. joomla review | 17:46 |
| slickware | I have a client who wants a joomla site developed and I'm having a terrible time getting into it | 17:47 |
| @preaction | not besides the cmsmatrix | 17:47 |
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| slickware | cool. | 17:48 |
| daviddelikat | is it possible to gat awstats without a hostname? | 17:50 |
| daviddelikat | the directions say that they are at http://stats.localhost..../?config=somehost | 17:51 |
| daviddelikat | but I'm just accessing my host as http:192.1768.0.7/... | 17:51 |
| @preaction | put the hostname in your /etc/hosts file | 17:51 |
| daviddelikat | can't really prepend the 'stats' | 17:51 |
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| daviddelikat | I guess I could do that on xp too... | 17:52 |
| daviddelikat | just wanted to see if it was required... | 17:52 |
| daviddelikat | any body know where windows 'hosts' file is these days? | 18:12 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts | 18:28 |
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| Lisette | i am doing a form control i want that this control have three select list, but i don't know how to save in the database? | 18:33 |
| Lisette | how to do? | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, where will you use this form control? | 18:33 |
| Lisette | in the profile | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | If you have a look at the Interval form control, you'll see an example of how multiple form elements are combined into one. | 18:35 |
| Lisette | sorry is a select box | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | same thing | 18:35 |
| Lisette | but i try in the definition and in the size i put 3 but this convert them in select list | 18:36 |
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| daviddelikat | preaction: thanks, I was trying to do a 'search' but MS serach sucks | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, in WebGUI the difference between a SelectList and SelectBox are these | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Multiple select. SelectList will let you pick more than 1 thing at a time, SelectBox won't | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Display, SelectBox looks like a drop down, SelectList looks like a scrolling list. | 18:38 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: that did not help | 18:38 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: dunno then | 18:39 |
| Lisette | I mean, I need to control in a single 3 select box, I need to concatenate what you choose in a single field that is stored in the database, ie as if it were a | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | So, you want 3 select boxes side by side, and to store the result in the database as 1 field? | 18:40 |
| Lisette | yes | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | then I still recommend that you look at the Interval form control. | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | It combines a text field and a select box into one form control. | 18:41 |
| Lisette | because i create a fiel in the profile and this field is type my form control and in this control i have 3 select | 18:41 |
| Lisette | ok, i see thanks | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | good luck :) | 18:42 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: do you know if it is possble to get stats without a hostname? | 18:43 |
| daviddelikat | I can't really use http://stats.192.168.0.7/?config... | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | stats from/for what? | 18:44 |
| daviddelikat | sorry, WebGUI awstats | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't use the WRE, daviddelikat. I have no idea | 18:45 |
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| daviddelikat | k thanks | 18:45 |
| Lisette | i can do this with javascript inside the form control? | 18:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9329 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Reformatted to match the rest of the document. | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | probably. As long as the javascript doesn't interfere with the regular operation of the form elements | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop, you're a bug closing fiend | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, fiendess | 18:55 |
| @bopbop | well, I had slow start today... the bugs were an easy place to begin | 18:55 |
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| SynQ | hi there | 19:01 |
| * deafferret waves | 19:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret, you'll rejoice! I ate donuts this weekend. | 19:03 |
| * deafferret goes to the gym | 19:04 | |
| deafferret | (no, not really) | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I know I do this every week, but I forgot which branch is released today, and what time you start. | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it okay to commit some 7.5 stuff? | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | 7.6 today | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | it'll be late afternoon | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, after I finish up the time tracker, i'll see what I can do about critic_labels. | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I had an idea that may help | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlbot lives! | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, any feedback about the profile/form bug? | 19:15 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: er.. how so? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I resolved it yesterday, along with a link to the svn rev for reference | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Given the history of the bug, you and khenn would be arm wrestling to see who could say first that it hadn't been fixed correctly. | 19:18 |
| @preaction | but you fixed it my way, so i win! | 19:18 |
| @preaction | or something | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | works for me :D | 19:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9330 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ProjectManager.pm: Fix a perl syntax warning. | 19:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9331 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 19:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: TimeTracker. Allow users who have been removed from a project to | 19:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: 1) use the time tracker. | 19:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: 2) edit old entries on the current report. | 19:23 |
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| SynQ | wow a bopbop blog entry :) | 19:47 |
| @bopbop | print it and frame it! | 19:47 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9332 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 19:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Merge in TimeTracker fix for users removed from a project with | 19:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: existing report entries. | 19:53 |
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| SynQ | let's compile myself some WRE | 20:08 |
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| mjmcevoy | so I backed out the install of wre that I did yesterday and I'm going to start over to see what happened. | 20:27 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 20:29 |
| mjmcevoy | what should the owner:group setting be for /data/wre? | 20:37 |
| mjmcevoy | I'm thinking that is my problem, as they are root:root | 20:37 |
| mjmcevoy | although the permissions are 755 | 20:38 |
| mjmcevoy | still getting Couldn't start server. at ./wreconsole.pl line 51 | 20:38 |
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| mjmcevoy | getting the same message as root or as sudo from my account | 21:36 |
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| mjmcevoy | perlDreamer: you available for a bit? | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | perlDreamer is back from the gym | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up mjmcevoy? | 22:05 |
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| bpmedley | anyone have any problems with yum and the centos virtual appliance? | 22:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9333 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Url.pm): WebGUI::Form::Url::getValue returns blank rather than undef for blank fields | 22:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9334 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.9-7.6.10.pl: Fix a typo in the 7.6.9-7.6.10 upgrade script. | 22:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9335 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Url.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): WebGUI::Form::Url::getValue returns blank rather than undef for blank fields | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't used it bpmedley. | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | man, I don't use the WRE, I don't use VMware. | 22:26 |
| bpmedley | what do you use? | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | source install on native operating system | 22:26 |
| bpmedley | hrmm | 22:26 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, remember the bug that gallery photos were showed in navigation? | 22:28 |
| bernd__ | This one: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9368 | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:28 |
| bernd__ | I just upgraded to 7.5.39. | 22:28 |
| bernd__ | And I still have the problem. | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | with new ones, or old ones? | 22:28 |
| bernd__ | Ah, no. Wait... | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 22:28 |
| bernd__ | I can see albums. | 22:28 |
| bernd__ | Is that by design? | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that I don't know | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | only one man in the universe knows | 22:29 |
| bernd__ | Shall we summon him? | 22:29 |
| bernd__ | I think I saw his name in the list. | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you ask him, you have to send him a large box of nacht tisch | 22:29 |
| bernd__ | Or what do you think? | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | (hope I got the spelling right) | 22:29 |
| bernd__ | It's Nachtisch | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, thanks | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't mind seeing albums in the gallery, but that's just me. | 22:30 |
| bernd__ | I am going to append a comment to the bug and re-open it. | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: Are gallery albums supposed to show up in navigations? | 22:30 |
| * perlDreamer starts opening his cookbook | 22:30 | |
| @preaction | i believe since there's no way to set yey or ney, that they must be ney | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd__, if you'd open a fresh bug for that, I'd appreciate it | 22:31 |
| bernd__ | Or rather an RFE for giving users the choice? | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | no, Dr. Gallery has spoken | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it is a bug | 22:32 |
| bernd__ | Good. | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you must take a laptop that is one year old | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | without stain, crack or defect | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | take it to the meeting place where the priests are | 22:33 |
| * perlDreamer is preparing to read Deuteronomy | 22:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | 3 Mose | 22:33 |
| bernd__ | Submitted. | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll probably get to that later this week | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you happen to remember _all_ the troublesome i18n modules? | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I've fixed 2 so far | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Operation/Help | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and the ProjectManager | 22:38 |
| @Haarg | troublesome in what way? | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that fail the critic test | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I can run the whole thing to find out, but it would save me 40 minutes if you happen to remember | 22:39 |
| @Haarg | Content/Setup.pm iirc | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check that next | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | didn't the new account stuff have some problems as well? | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't remember. It's possible | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember a Gallery related file, and one other one | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | for a total of 4 | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll run the whole suite, and grab some lunch while it's running | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I won't have all the tests working by release time this week, so we'll shoot for next week | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | also, if you'd email me the prove output, that would help me understand any WRE specific issues | 22:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | mjmcevoy_away: I'm pretty sure that /data/wre should be owned by user webgui | 22:47 |
| bernd__ | jmarsden, are you there? | 22:47 |
| jmarsden|work | Yes. | 22:48 |
| bernd__ | Cool! | 22:48 |
| bernd__ | I have tested your ubuntu package. | 22:48 |
| bernd__ | It's great! | 22:48 |
| bernd__ | Do you have any plans to include the addSite.pl and removeSite.pl scripts? | 22:48 |
| bernd__ | Those from the wre, I mean. | 22:48 |
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| jmarsden|work | I could... not hard to do. Are they popular enough that that is worthwhile, and do they need any other bits of WRE in order to work? | 22:49 |
| jmarsden|work | Also, did the WRE code get released as a separate tarball, I think there was discssion about that not long ago? | 22:50 |
| bernd__ | There are some perl modules under wre/lib I believe. | 22:50 |
| bernd__ | Nope, not yet. | 22:50 |
| bernd__ | You would have to take it out from the wre tar ball and make it fit. | 22:50 |
| jmarsden|work | That would make be awkward because it means the source package would require both tarballs... which is ugly. | 22:51 |
| jmarsden|work | s/make be/make things/ | 22:51 |
| bernd__ | Why both? | 22:51 |
| bernd__ | Just part of the wre tarball. | 22:51 |
| bernd__ | It is only a tiny fraction. | 22:52 |
| bernd__ | Difficult to merge? | 22:52 |
| jmarsden|work | No one "upstream" releases "part of the WRE tarball" :) | 22:52 |
| bernd__ | Hm, I see. | 22:52 |
| jmarsden|work | No, the point is that a source package should be based on the released upstream work. | 22:52 |
| bernd__ | But maintainers always make some changes. | 22:53 |
| bernd__ | Don't they? | 22:53 |
| bernd__ | It would be only a few script files. | 22:53 |
| jmarsden|work | Yes; I could add code I wrote myself if that was needed... not so soure about adding scripts taken from elsewhere... it might be OK. | 22:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9336 /WebGUI/t/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/WebGUI/NoIllegalI18NLabels.pm: | 22:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: WebGUI Perl::Critic policy. Handle the case when the namespace is | 22:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: variable instead of a literal. | 22:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9337 /WebGUI/t/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/WebGUI/NoIllegalI18NLabels.pm: | 22:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Handle the case where someone is doing double quoted variable interpolation | 22:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: in the label part of an i18n fetch. | 22:53 |
| bernd__ | Do you want to have look and talk again? | 22:53 |
| bernd__ | I can try to help you if you like. | 22:54 |
| bernd__ | Best would be, of course, to integrate all that into debconf. | 22:54 |
| jmarsden|work | Sure... can you put this into the forum thread so we have a permanent record of this idea. | 22:54 |
| bernd__ | Alright. Check the dev forum tomorrow! | 22:55 |
| jmarsden|work | Thanks. It may well be a day or two before I can do much WebGUI stuff at all... busy with other things... | 22:55 |
| mjmcevoy-away | perlDreamer: changed owner. still getting the same error. Couldn't start server. at ./wreconsole.pl line 51 | 22:55 |
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| mjmcevoy | the funny thing is that it worked to a point then quit altogether. | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | let me pull up that code online and look at it | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | which os? | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | mjmcevoy: which operating system are you using? | 22:58 |
| mjmcevoy | centOS 4 | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | are you're root when you run this | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have SELinux turned on? | 23:01 |
| mjmcevoy | root or sudouser | 23:02 |
| mjmcevoy | no to SELinux | 23:02 |
| mjmcevoy | WebGUI started yesterday, but wouldn't let me create a site. | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | is anything listening on that socket now? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | 60834 | 23:03 |
| mjmcevoy | name or service not known | 23:05 |
| mjmcevoy | that would seem to be a problem | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | mjmcevoy, I would suggest posting to the Install forum on webgui.org/discuss | 23:05 |
| mjmcevoy | okay thanks | 23:06 |
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| bernd__ | preaction, those gallery templates are a terrible nightmare... | 00:18 |
| bernd__ | I have been spending hours to adapt them to our look and feel. | 00:18 |
| @preaction | you mean how they look or all the options available? | 00:20 |
| bernd__ | The mere quantity of html code. | 00:20 |
| bernd__ | But also the CSS is driving me nuts. | 00:20 |
| @preaction | heh, yeah there is that | 00:20 |
| bernd__ | The problem is that it does not fit with most other assets | 00:21 |
| bernd__ | I have to change the html code everywhere. | 00:21 |
| bernd__ | And there are some dirty hacks in it. | 00:21 |
| bernd__ | For example, the cancel button is missing in the photo asset. | 00:22 |
| bernd__ | So you are using JS to do that. | 00:22 |
| @preaction | the cancel button uses JS normally | 00:22 |
| bernd__ | Hm, not in GalleryAlbum. | 00:22 |
| bernd__ | It has a template variable for that. | 00:23 |
| bernd__ | I do not mind it using JS. It is just that you have to add the code by yourself. | 00:23 |
| bernd__ | Would be better to have a template variable for that. | 00:23 |
| @preaction | right, i'm saying that the template variable contains a button that has JS in it. but yes it would be better for that to be a template var | 00:24 |
| bernd__ | bug report or RFE? | 00:24 |
| mjmcevoy | okay, I feel really dumb. I could start the httpd, because it was already running. <smack forehead hard> | 00:26 |
| bernd__ | Ha ha, that happened to me as well. | 00:27 |
| bernd__ | Ha ha! | 00:27 |
| bernd__ | But at least it's working now. | 00:27 |
| @preaction | bernd__: i would consider it an RFE, but it's a really tiny one | 00:27 |
| bernd__ | preaction, but are respective template variables missing in other aspects as well? | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | good catch, mjmcevoy! | 00:28 |
| bernd__ | assets | 00:28 |
| @preaction | bernd__: i don't know, probably some things are missing and some things are there that shouldn't be. | 00:28 |
| bernd__ | Good answer. | 00:28 |
| bernd__ | I am going to write an RFE... | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | mjmcevoy, you have an awesome signature | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I used to watch him on PBS | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | he is a true hacker | 00:30 |
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| wgGuest40 | any coders on? | 00:58 |
| bpmedley | i'm new | 00:58 |
| wgGuest40 | to coding or being on? | 00:59 |
| bpmedley | both | 00:59 |
| wgGuest40 | i'm not a coder...trying to find someone who knows webgui | 00:59 |
| bpmedley | i might be able to help | 00:59 |
| wgGuest40 | my friend hosts my site but doesn't have time to fix it...he upgraded to the latest version of webgui and now i have database errors | 01:00 |
| bpmedley | mysql errors? | 01:00 |
| wgGuest40 | connection timeout and possible database corruption | 01:00 |
| bpmedley | might want to open up a support ticket | 01:01 |
| wgGuest40 | how do i do that? | 01:01 |
| wgGuest40 | also want to hire someone to tweak the code to do a couple extra things | 01:01 |
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| bpmedley | moment | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest40, which latest version of WebGUI? | 01:03 |
| wgGuest40 | my website is www.thinwood.com I'm not sure how to check? | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | you're using 7.5.37 (it's in the HTML headers) | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | the latest is 7.5.39, out last week | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of db problems are you having? | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and what version were you using before this one? | 01:05 |
| wgGuest40 | i think it is the newest...from 6.? | 01:06 |
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| bpmedley | can you connect to mysql with with command line client? | 01:08 |
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| rmiller | hey perldreamer | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, rmiller | 01:19 |
| rmiller | I'm mr. guest's webguy, and apparently not too good of one :) | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's fine, really | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I think he's just being bit by a new wG 7 feature | 01:20 |
| wgGuest40 | what version did we use? | 01:20 |
| rmiller | we were in 6.8.6 | 01:21 |
| rmiller | which feature is that? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | version control | 01:22 |
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| rmiller | oh... yeah, I told him that you had to commit in order to get the "add" feature to working, but is that also why the photos aren't showing up? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I think because the Photo Gallery is not committed | 01:23 |
| @preaction | you can disable the version tag thing if you don't want it | 01:23 |
| rmiller | that's up to him but it may be a good thing to know | 01:23 |
| wgGuest40 | what is it for? | 01:24 |
| rmiller | it lets you work on it and commit when you're happy with it, and revert to old versions | 01:24 |
| @preaction | mainly the "work on it and only commit when done" part. by "disable" i mean more specifically "automatically commit a version right after it's created" | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | rmiller, is Spectre up and running on the box? | 01:25 |
| rmiller | yes. | 01:25 |
| rmiller | I can doublecheck though.. | 01:25 |
| wgGuest40 | spectre? above my head | 01:26 |
| rmiller | root 17921 0.1 1.2 30620 25952 ? S Jan18 14:55 perl ./spectre.pl --daemon | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | no sense trying to commit data if it's not running | 01:26 |
| rmiller | yeah, I learned that the hard way when trying to upgrade | 01:27 |
| rmiller | so basically you think it's just a version control issue? | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | in 7.5, most Assets don't like having children added to them if they aren't committed. | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I was able to add a test page to the CS in question | 01:30 |
| rmiller | oh, that makes sense. | 01:31 |
| rmiller | that also explains the webgui errors I was seeing | 01:31 |
| @preaction | if you're interested, the WebGUI Primer is available for free download on plainblack.com. if you want more thorough books, the Content Manager's guide might be your best option | 01:31 |
| rmiller | 2009/01/27 14:32:24 - ERROR - thinwood.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::new[1683] - Asset B1bNjWVtzSjsvGZh9lPz_A WebGUI::Asset::Template 1129049184 is missing properties. Consult your database tables for corruption. | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to find out which properties are missing. | 01:32 |
| rmiller | I guess if the parent's not committed? | 01:32 |
| rmiller | I don't even know which *asset* that is. | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | all version tags have been committed | 01:33 |
| @preaction | no, that error is very bad, means something didn't get written to the database | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | also, running myisamcheck on the db files would be good | 01:33 |
| rmiller | I can do that easily... | 01:33 |
| rmiller | not showing any coruption, just that something is using the tables, which is true because something is using the tables | 01:35 |
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| mjmcevoy-away | perlDreamer: I'm up and running. Nice. | 01:43 |
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| wgGuest40 | be back in a couple of minutes | 01:44 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r9339 /experimental/Bazaar/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Bazaar.pm: Fixed a bug in canUpload logic. | 12:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9340 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added Statistical overview screen to survey | 17:47 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9341 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fixed #9215: Survey 2.0 results screens missing | 17:47 |
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| Lisette | i can do a errorHandler in a form control? | 18:15 |
| topsub | Is there not any documentation on how to config backups in webgui? Can't seem to find any on webgui | 18:22 |
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| @khenn | Lisette: do you want to do client side validation? | 18:27 |
| @khenn | topsub: I'm not sure. preaction might know | 18:28 |
| @preaction | topsub: the wreconsole.pl walks you through it, but backups are a function of the WRE, not WebGUI | 18:29 |
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| Lisette | yes | 18:46 |
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| Lisette | i need to know the value of a variable | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, $self->session->log->warn | 18:47 |
| Lisette | ->log? | 18:47 |
| Lisette | no es errorHandler? | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | ->log is short for errorHandler in 7.5 and 7.6 | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Era cambiado porque errorHandler es tan largo | 18:48 |
| Lisette | oh, i didn't know, thanks | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | y duele los dedos de rizen | 18:48 |
| Lisette | "fue cambiado porque errorHandrel era muy largo" | 18:49 |
| Lisette | "y le dolian los dedos a rizen" | 18:49 |
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| Lisette | how to do to concatenate 2 variables? | 19:09 |
| Lisette | in a form control? | 19:10 |
| Lisette | in which method? | 19:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9342 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm: remove needless import | 19:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9343 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm: log ITransact XML at debug instead of info to make logging credit cards less likely | 19:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9344 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm: fix error reporting in Syndicated Content | 19:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9345 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: cleaning up survey pod | 19:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9346 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/List.pm: cleaning up function in List form type | 19:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9347 /WebGUI/t/ (Form/CheckList.t Form/SelectList.t Shop/PayDriver.t): fixing tests for Form changes | 19:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9348 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.10/matrix-default-compare-template.wgpkg: fixing macro usage in matrix compare template | 19:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9349 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.10 release | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, that was done in the Interval. I think you commented out that code. It's inside getValue | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you concatenate in getValue, and you pull them apart in toHtml | 19:30 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, if you ever feel like adding to your template checker, checking for hard coded /extras/ paths could be worthwhile | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | hardcoded instead of using the extras macro? | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | i found and fixed a couple of those in that matrix template after it caught a ^/; | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I can do that | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | talked with preaction, and we decided to try and parse the __PACKAGE__->i18n construct | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's doable, and am about 1/4 into it right now | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, I'll turn to the Survey help | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and some of the other failing tests | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | cool | 19:43 |
| @preaction | if i were to write a script whose purpose is to check (a) that all templates that assets are using exist and (b) which templates are not being used, what else should it do? | 19:49 |
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| @preaction | should i be able to see what assets are using which template? | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:50 |
| @preaction | the whole process is probably going to take a while, so while i have this info i should do as much as possible with it | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it should also try to eval each template for cleanliness | 19:50 |
| @preaction | er, well, that's outside the scope. it's not a test | 19:50 |
| * perlDreamer has a 1 track mind... | 19:50 | |
| @preaction | which reminds me, we need some place to put modules that sbin scripts can use that are not preloaded by the rest of WebGUI | 19:51 |
| @preaction | i had the gallery import stuff in a module, for example, but we moved it away because it was being preloaded | 19:51 |
| @preaction | perhaps this template stuff should be part of Haarg's wgdev distro? | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | future code for the upgrade script may be a similar thing | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | perhaps - it's pretty easy to write for | 19:52 |
| @Haarg | i need to put that on a public git server somewhere | 19:54 |
| @preaction | is it on svn somewhere? | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | in tools? | 19:54 |
| @Haarg | there is the wgd script in tools | 19:54 |
| @preaction | but not the raw source | 19:55 |
| @Haarg | but i have made a ton of changes since then | 19:55 |
| @Haarg | and yeah | 19:55 |
| @Haarg | it's simple to adapt a script you've written to use it though | 19:56 |
| @preaction | ok, i'll write the script as-is for now then | 19:59 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9350 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.10-beta: Release 7.6.10-beta | 20:15 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9351 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.11 dev | 20:15 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9352 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content asset doesn't work with feeds that specify their encodings via HTTP headers | 20:15 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9353 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): fixed #9375: Syndicated Content asset improperly decodes wide XML entities | 20:15 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9354 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9592: DataForm deleteAttachedFiles method can crash | 20:44 |
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| elnino_ | hello! is the zip archive asset supposed to be limited by the upload limit specified in settings? | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think so, yes. | 21:30 |
| elnino_ | hmm. | 21:31 |
| elnino_ | I uploaded a zip archive to a folder asset, and waited for about an hour, I got no error, and I can't find the files in the folder. so either, I can't put zip archives in folders, or it didn't upload it because of the size(which I know is too big) | 21:32 |
| elnino_ | but I didn't get an error about anything. | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | how big was this zip archive? | 21:32 |
| elnino_ | 286M | 21:33 |
| elnino_ | =) | 21:33 |
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| _elnino_ | opps. sorry about that. my connection dropped. | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if you hit the Apache file size limit, then WebGUI won't get to complain about it. | 21:34 |
| _elnino_ | oh. | 21:34 |
| _elnino_ | I'm I to understand zip archives, though? this zip archive is a bunch of html static files, so once this is uploaded, will people be able to click on these in a folder asset and see the html files as they are? or are they going to be in their own template? | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | when you visit the zip archive page, you'll see one page from the archive, which is set in the asset | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the idea being that you can zip a static HTML file and all its includes and then put it up on a wG site | 21:37 |
| _elnino_ | and the rest of the files? do they become file assets? | 21:37 |
| _elnino_ | cause this is a about 40 html files. | 21:38 |
| _elnino_ | I suppose I should just do a bypass. | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the File Asset is really a container for a Storage object | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | everything is in the storage object | 21:39 |
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| _elnino_ | oh ok, I came across the storage object on a nother ting I was trying to do. I'll try a small zip and see how this goes. =) | 21:44 |
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| elnino_ | hey perlDreamer. I recycled my cable modem, maybe I'll stay for a while... | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds like an old Amy Grant song | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Stay for a while, it's good to see your smile. | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Something like that | 22:10 |
| elnino_ | =) | 22:10 |
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| elnino_ | I tried a smaller zip archive, and uploaded it as a zip archive in a folder, and set the initial page and it only goes to the .zip, but if I upload it to a page layout it does exactly what you say and what I want it todo.. is that bug? | 22:10 |
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| elnino2 | oh good GRIEF! | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | First Amy grant, now Charlie Brown. | 22:23 |
| elnino2 | quick - is it a bug? | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | No, that's not a bug | 22:24 |
| deafferret | "Not all grief is bad. Ask Charlie Brown." | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino2: did you get that? | 22:25 |
| elnino2 | bummer. I did. | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | a folder displays assets | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | a page layout lets you view assets | 22:25 |
| elnino2 | ok let me try one other thing... | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you can always asset proxy the zip archive from the folder to some other page | 22:26 |
| @Haarg | i think with the survey fixed now and the latest syndicated content changes, we actually have all the utf8 issues sorted out | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 22:26 |
| elnino2 | I think I'll just use pagelayout instead of folders. | 22:27 |
| elnino2 | I figured folders were easier for this particular person to understand. | 22:27 |
| elnino2 | cause it has a nifty "add file" link. | 22:27 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: did you write a staff blog entry yet? perhaps a good topic would be "best practices for utf8 issues" (or maybe we can have a recurring feature of Best Practices for WebGUI) | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | that's a good idea actually - aside from best practices i could just go over utf8 in webgui | 22:33 |
| elnino2 | hey perlDreamer.. | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes? | 22:34 |
| elnino2 | I uploaded a FILE PILE of the zip archive, and then edited it | 22:35 |
| elnino2 | (uploaded it to the folder asset | 22:35 |
| elnino2 | and it did not have the "initial page" field availalbe | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like a bug | 22:35 |
| elnino2 | so that tell me that there is a distinction between file and zip archive. | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:35 |
| elnino2 | and that the zip archive asset should open to the initial page in the folder. | 22:35 |
| elnino2 | you dont' like my logic?? | 22:36 |
| elnino2 | =) | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | well, wait a sec | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | FilePile will upload images, or "not" images -> files | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't do ZipArchives | 22:36 |
| elnino2 | well, it does, it just points to the zip file in the uploads directory as a "file" | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but that .zip file is now a File, not a ZipArchive | 22:37 |
| elnino2 | right. | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | in other words, there's no magic MIME detection in the FilePile for anything other than images | 22:38 |
| elnino2 | so when I upload a ziparchive ASSET, I should be able to utilitze the "inital page" whether or not it's in a folder or pagelayout... | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but if you upload a FilePile, then you get only files or images | 22:39 |
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| elnino_ | sorry. I'm back for a little while. not going to promise anything anymore. | 22:42 |
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| rmiller | so here's a quick question: whenever a large file is uploaded, it seems to time out. Doesn't do this for small files. I upped the image and attachment size, doesn't seem to do anything. Do I have to restart spectre for the new setting to take? | 22:51 |
| rmiller | or is there something else I have to do? | 22:51 |
| elnino_ | I just found out and know the answer! | 22:51 |
| elnino_ | if it exceeds apache's file size limit, webgui will not report an error. | 22:52 |
| rmiller | hmmm | 22:52 |
| elnino_ | but the error shows up in the apache logs | 22:52 |
| rmiller | and wouldn't you know, there is it. | 22:53 |
| rmiller | wouldn't know how to up that offhand, would you? | 22:53 |
| elnino_ | haven't gotten that far yet.. =) | 22:53 |
| elnino_ | I hve a manual install, so my file structure is probably different than yours, you have wre? | 22:53 |
| khenn_ | the apache logs are in /data/wre/var/logs/ | 22:54 |
| rmiller | no | 22:54 |
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| elnino_ | rmiller - you have a manual install? | 22:54 |
| rmiller | APReq_ReadLimit was set to 512K | 22:55 |
| rmiller | I bumped it to 20M | 22:55 |
| rmiller | yes | 22:55 |
| elnino_ | good find! | 22:55 |
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| rmiller | yeah, that fixed it | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | that ReadLimit caps out at about 2G, based on the processor type (32 bit or 64 bit) | 23:01 |
| elnino_ | good to know. thanks! | 23:01 |
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| * rmiller has to get back to work now | 23:03 | |
| rmiller | thanks again perlDreamer | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | this fix is all you, rmiller | 23:04 |
| rmiller | I know... I mean for the other stuff :) | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, you're welcome | 23:04 |
| rmiller | laterzzz | 23:05 |
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| bpmedley | 2008/09/20 20:07:45 - ERROR - webgui-test.conf - WebGUI::Storage::_addError[98] - Couldn't create storage location: /home/shlomi/Download/unpack/net/www/webgui/WebGUI/www/uploads/3I : Permission denied | 23:09 |
| bpmedley | are these happening as the user apache runs as? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | check file permissions in your uploads | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if the apache user/group can't write | 23:09 |
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| bpmedley | k.. thx | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | then you'll get that message | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | best to set the group sticky bit to maintain group ownership as other users (like root) do stuff on the site | 23:10 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, preaction, http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/tree/master if you are interested | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | still pretty rough in a number of places | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you haven't seen rough until you've seen me try to use git | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | heh | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | there's an option to download as zip or tarball | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam has been tutoring me | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I should be okay | 23:31 |
| bernd_ | Is git a replacement for svn? | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | kind of | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | it's a distributed version control system | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | can be used in place of svn, but it is different in a lot of ways | 23:36 |
| bernd_ | Are there plans to change to git? | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | git is fast | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, this isn't going to work, because it doesn't support perl lexical scopes and I don't know how to make Perl::Critic reentrant | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe JT or Graham could ask Chris Dolan about it at the next MadMongers | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | He'll probably say something like, he used Perl::Critic to do what? | 23:41 |
| @preaction | heh | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | You're okay with the refactor, then? | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to devote some off time to stashing the International object in the Session. It's nuts to have to make 20-30 of them per page fetch. | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | yeah, go ahead | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the i18n test should run clean. I'm double checking it now. | 00:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9355 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:32 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactor gallery code to use old i18n technologies so they can | 00:32 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: be verified with the critic_labels test. | 00:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's clean | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | now, time to review all the tests and see where we're at | 01:02 |
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| * deafferret eats some fudge | 01:15 | |
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| +perlDreamer | how was the fudge, deafferret? | 03:00 |
| * perlDreamer will have to enjoy it vicariously | 03:00 | |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9356 /WebGUI/www/extras/account/account.css: Fixing IE spacing problem on tabs | 03:29 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9357 /WebGUI/www/extras/account/account.css: Adding margins back to tabs. | 04:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | did my cat type anything in here while I was gone? | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | doesn't look like it | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but he tried to crack my password file, so I thought I'd check | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: how does this look for a hard coded extras detecting URL: qr{(?:href|src)="/extras)} | 07:45 |
| @preaction | they may have the ^/; macro there | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | evil buggers! | 07:49 |
| @preaction | or they may be doing ^/(extras...); too | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | (?:href|src)="\^?/[;(]?"?extras | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | better? | 07:52 |
| @preaction | dunno, does it work? heh, i can't tell | 07:54 |
| @preaction | looks like it works | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's a little too tight | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | need to compare it against ack | 07:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | guess I'd better check the extraHeadTags too, huh? | 08:01 |
| @preaction | probably yeah | 08:01 |
| @preaction | for all assets even | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | this is the template checker, we'll worry about the other ones later | 08:02 |
| @preaction | but but but it would be easy | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should build a separate test just for that, then | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of adding it to i18n/template.t | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | not that hard to do | 08:03 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9358 /WebGUI/t/i18n/template.t: We want to add tests, not logically or them... | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | 8 templates with hardcoded extras url | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | noone used the gateway macro, though | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if it's in the core code, too... | 08:17 |
| +perlDreamer | do we need to check snippets, too? | 08:23 |
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| Zylopfa | Greetings all | 08:32 |
| Zylopfa | Anyone I can ask to verify a bug I found? | 08:32 |
| Zylopfa | Anyone present? | 09:01 |
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| bpmedley | morning.. is there any documentation for awstats and source install? | 17:16 |
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| @plainhao | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configuring-awstats | 17:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: did you already fix this bug -> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9592 | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | DataForm delete attached files | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to put down my other contracts and try to fix 7.5 bugs all today, btw | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | fixed but not ported | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | fixed in 7.5 now | 18:13 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9359 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.4.40-7.5.16.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fix upgrade script due to change in PayDriver API. | 18:15 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9360 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): preparing for 7.5.40 dev | 18:15 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9361 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9592: DataForm deleteAttachedFiles method can crash | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I checked in the hardcoded extras test last night. It found 8 templates with hardcoded paths in them. Also, there are two modules that do it as well. | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll get to those after the 7.5 release, if that's okay | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | thanks for doing that | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | doing it after today should be fine | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | planning a late release? | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to go. Peter winning an award at his school today and the assembly is at 8:30. BBL | 18:18 |
| @Haarg | since this is the last 7.5, yeah, i'm going to do it rather late. | 18:18 |
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| bpmedley | does anyone here have a working source install with awstats and webgui? | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | without the wre you mean? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | i have kind of a mixed setup, i have everything set up outside the wre but i'm still using the the wre's apache since i haven't bothered to reconfigure my source version | 18:31 |
| daviddelikat | I have a question about the 'deap magic' of WebGUI | 18:33 |
| daviddelikat | I'm working on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9596 | 18:34 |
| daviddelikat | and I can easily get a unique page number variable | 18:34 |
| daviddelikat | but it forgets what the number is once in as while | 18:35 |
| daviddelikat | then it will go back to the original number | 18:35 |
| daviddelikat | and I think the problem is with how it creates the paginator object, but I can't see where it is coming from | 18:35 |
| daviddelikat | any body have a clue where I should start looking? | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | how are you creating the unique page number variable? | 18:37 |
| daviddelikat | I just append a unique string of characters to the 'pn' | 18:39 |
| daviddelikat | $formVar = 'pn' . $counter ++; | 18:40 |
| daviddelikat | where counter starts out = 'aaa'; | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | so how does the request coming back know how to interpret that? | 18:40 |
| daviddelikat | the formVar is stored inthe Paginator object | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | but those objects all go away at the end of the request | 18:41 |
| daviddelikat | thats what i originally expected, but it does work sometimes. | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | are you using a package variable or something? | 18:42 |
| daviddelikat | quite odd really, I was intending to store the formvar in the session... | 18:43 |
| daviddelikat | the counter is a package var yes | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | well that explains it | 18:43 |
| daviddelikat | how so? | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | package variables stay around between requests | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | but they may end up being for a different client | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | or the same client may hit a different fork | 18:44 |
| juan1 | i have many threads in my site | 18:44 |
| daviddelikat | ok so it works when it hits a different server because that server generates the same formvar because it has not incremented any more. | 18:45 |
| juan1 | i want to know all the creation date for all of them | 18:45 |
| daviddelikat | I'll go on with the plan to put it into the session. | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | sounds like something like that | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | you basically never want to use package variables | 18:45 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9362 /experimental/Automat/sbin/Automat-updateEmailUserCount.pl: don't poll mail accounts on mail servers not set up yet | 18:45 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9363 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Updating Survey Help, more to come. | 18:45 |
| daviddelikat | so i expected. supprised when it worked -- sort of | 18:46 |
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| bpmedley | Haarg: yes.. without the wre | 18:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9364 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Automatically hide all gallery albums from navigation. | 19:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | juan1, Threads are assets. All assets have creationDates in the db. | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'd like to close out http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9018 (Orphan workflows leftover from upgrade) by writing an upgrade sub to delete any workflow instances whose workflows do not exist any longer. Sound okay? | 19:27 |
| @Haarg | sounds fine to me | 19:27 |
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| juan1 | perlDreamer, when i add a thread , the assetData table show me a field called revisiondate | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | try the asset table instead | 19:36 |
| juan1 | ok | 19:37 |
| juan1 | i found it | 19:38 |
| juan1 | thanks | 19:38 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9365 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting GalleryAlbum isHidden fix. | 19:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9366 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fixed copyright | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: sno * r9367 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: When using only a groupId in create, the code assumed that the call also intended to use a userId, which it acquired from $session->user->userId. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: This caused group type administrative notices to also go to the initial user. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9368 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.39-7.5.40.pl): Remove workflow instances that do not have a workflow. | 19:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9369 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl): Forward port removing workflow instances that don't have an underlying workflow anymore. | 19:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9370 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 20:18 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fixed #9596: Articles now use a semi-unique pagination variable based on asset id | 20:18 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: also restored the 'synopsis = first page' feature in Asset::Post::getSynopsisAndContent | 20:18 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9371 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): fixed #9596: Articles now use a semi-unique pagination variable based on asset id | 20:18 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9372 /experimental/Automat: Automat is no longer experimental | 21:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: mego * r9373 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (packages-7.6.11/root_import_account.wgpkg packages-7.6.11): new account skins | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Need some XML help, please | 22:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: paul * r9374 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Friends.pm: Delete friends now removes both sides of the friendship. | 22:50 |
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| +BartJol | sorry perlDreamer, I'd love to help you beside i18n bugs, but I'm afraid I'm no help there | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, it's good just to know that you're here | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | another batch of i18n coming through next week | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | survey i18n | 23:09 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym and cues deafferret. | 23:13 | |
| +BartJol | ah more survey | 23:13 |
| * deafferret wakes from a sugar induced coma | 23:29 | |
| +BartJol | morning | 23:36 |
| * deafferret drools on his pillow | 23:37 | |
| +BartJol | too much information | 23:43 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9375 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (4 files): Update from translation server | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: BartJol needs a raise | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: The EMS badge bug might be an issue with the credit card vendor. I'm working with their support staff on it. | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | ah | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: does he? | 00:52 |
| SynQ | why? | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | he's not tall enough. You should be able to manage about 2cm? | 00:53 |
| SynQ | what he lacks in height he has in width | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps he needs some refactoring... | 00:57 |
| SynQ | we could take some fat from the front and put it on top | 00:58 |
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| Lisette | how to fill a tie:ixhash inside a while? | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | same as any other hash | 01:03 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, do you have anything more you want to get into 7.5? | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't mind getting this XML escaping thing in, but I don't know when I'm going to hear back. | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | So please don't block on me. | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | The good news is that double quotes is a very uncommon character in names | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the bad news is that it affects any credit card work, not just the EMS | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, go ahead | 01:07 |
| SynQ | can you get some more eastereggs in 7.5? | 01:09 |
| SynQ | nite | 01:10 |
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| Lisette | if i do this http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4eb30134, only appear the last number '31', how to do to fill the hash with all numbers? | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I have a fix. | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | It was our code all along | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | cool | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | can I commit? | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | sure | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I debugged this in 7.6, so it'll take me 5-10 minutes to get it documented and backported. | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | no problem | 01:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9376 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Adding help for Survey Questions template | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'm out and done. | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | thanks | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want help with testing for 7.5? | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | i should be fine | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll head back to 7.6 then | 01:32 |
| Lisette | anyone knows what is my error? | 01:36 |
| @preaction | Lisette: you're redefining %dia every time | 01:39 |
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| Lisette | preaction, but then how to do? | 01:42 |
| @preaction | Lisette: $dia{$count} = $count; # basic hash access | 01:43 |
| Lisette | mmm i think that i can not do with tie | 01:44 |
| Lisette | thanks | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll work with tie | 01:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9377 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the mime/type and content of the XML sent to ITransact. | 01:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9378 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting Itransact XML data fix. | 01:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9379 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: | 01:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a perl syntax error, and use if/elsif/else instead | 01:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: of cascaded if, since the 2nd if would always win. | 01:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9380 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/comment.t: Fix a test I broke with the i18n refactor for the GalleryFile | 01:54 |
| Lisette | in the i18n exist the name of the months? | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | DateTime namespace | 02:04 |
| Lisette | Thanks | 02:04 |
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| Lisette | i have the next code http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5fe4d2 is a form control like interval, i concatenate 3 variables buthttp://webgui.pastebin.com/d5fe4d2 don't save it in the database, how to do? | 02:19 |
| Lisette | just save the first variable | 02:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9381 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/ (Form/CheckList.t Form/SelectList.t Shop/PayDriver.t): fixing tests for Form changes | 02:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9382 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.40 release | 02:24 |
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| Lisette | anyone know why? | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you build the i18n.get API backwards just to spite me, didn't you? | 02:39 |
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| Zylopfa | :O | 04:29 |
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| Zylopfa | Greetings | 07:53 |
| Zylopfa | :D | 08:11 |
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| jmarsden|work | I just put a package of webgui 7.5.40 into the Ubuntu REVU system... trying to get it into Ubuntu Jaunty... | 08:58 |
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| zylopfa | Greetings | 10:29 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9384 /branch/thingy-object-seperation: Creating a branch for thingy object seperation | 17:54 |
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| SDuensin | My net was down for MINUTES! I almost DIED! | 18:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9385 /branch/WebGUI_Matrix2: removing obsolete Matrix2 branch | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning everybody | 18:36 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | was last night the last 7.5? | 18:36 |
| @Haarg | yes | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | all right! known at last as the PB hacker that you are | 18:41 |
| SDuensin | The last? WHOO! | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | He's been hanging out in the channel as a normal dev, not letting anyone know the true extent of his powers | 18:43 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 18:43 |
| SDuensin | I've been lurking. Been damn busy here. | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Hopefully busy and funded? | 18:43 |
| SDuensin | Yes, and not yet. | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | 21 perlmonkey2's on the wal, 21 perlmonkey2's. Take one down and pass it around... | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, on a more serious note, should the test for hard coded extras also check snippets? Any other asset properties/types that you can think of? | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | snippets would be good yeah | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | nothing else comes to mind | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add that to the test later today | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, in a brand new WebGUI 7.6 site, created by running the upgrade from 7.6.10 to 7.6.11, there's a template in the trash | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Default groupd aggregate templates | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll file a bug about it | 18:59 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9386 /WebGUI/t/hardcodedExtras.t: | 19:04 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add a test to check for hardcoded extras in templates, and | 19:04 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: in the extra head tags of all assets. | 19:04 |
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| * perlDreamer heads back home. bbl | 20:42 | |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop, if you have time, I'd like some help closing a pb.com bug | 21:09 |
| @bopbop | sure, perlDreamer | 21:10 |
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| Zylopfa | Greetings :D | 22:30 |
| Zylopfa | Is perlDreamer on atm? | 22:30 |
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| deafferret | 13:43 * perlDreamer goes running. | 22:33 |
| deafferret | 13:43 * deafferret orders pizza | 22:34 |
| Zylopfa | Ahh ok :D | 22:36 |
| Zylopfa | I have a problem with pagination | 22:36 |
| Zylopfa | the new patch should fix it but it seems now i cant paginate at all | 22:36 |
| Zylopfa | unless i am in admin mode | 22:36 |
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| Zylopfa | some chache problems i think | 22:37 |
| Zylopfa | but its shouldnt be intended like that | 22:37 |
| Zylopfa | deafferret can i ask you to go to a site and see if you can paginate through the pages? | 22:37 |
| Zylopfa | Greetings preaction | 22:38 |
| @preaction | greetings | 22:38 |
| Zylopfa | can you maybe go to a url and try to paginate through? | 22:38 |
| deafferret | Zylopfa: only if you tell me the URL :) | 22:38 |
| Zylopfa | ofc | 22:38 |
| Zylopfa | http://www.globalcontrol.biz/pagination | 22:38 |
| Zylopfa | i made 4 pages on that "article" | 22:39 |
| Zylopfa | try to go thtough the pages some times | 22:39 |
| Zylopfa | and tell me you also have errors, that it wont paginate properly | 22:39 |
| deafferret | I click "1", it stays on 2 | 22:40 |
| Zylopfa | haha yeah | 22:40 |
| Zylopfa | Exaxtly | 22:40 |
| deafferret | ya, none of the clicks do anything | 22:40 |
| Zylopfa | ok so its an error right? | 22:41 |
| Zylopfa | The thing is if i go into admin mode and paginate it works every time | 22:41 |
| @preaction | is that a default template you're using Zylopfa ? | 22:41 |
| deafferret | something is broken. Don't know if it's your code or webgui. :) | 22:41 |
| Zylopfa | no preaction one i made for this | 22:41 |
| @preaction | it's possible it's a problem in the template. can you confirm in a default template? | 22:41 |
| Zylopfa | deafferret it was some one else who patche my old pagination problem | 22:41 |
| Zylopfa | preaction i will do this now | 22:42 |
| Zylopfa | preaction same problem with style3 | 22:49 |
| Zylopfa | http://www.globalcontrol.biz/pagination/pagination-test?pn0s0A=4 | 22:49 |
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| @preaction | Zylopfa: ah. i didn't mean style template, i meant article template | 22:50 |
| Zylopfa | ohh | 22:50 |
| Zylopfa | Its the default article template | 22:50 |
| Zylopfa | Its a strange problem | 22:51 |
| Zylopfa | I read the code quickly that patched my previous problem | 22:51 |
| Zylopfa | but i dont see errors here | 22:51 |
| @preaction | i'd reopen the bug then, it's possible the fixer missed something | 22:51 |
| Zylopfa | yeah i repoende it already | 22:51 |
| Zylopfa | reopened even | 22:51 |
| Zylopfa | the original bug is, if you have multiple things that can "paginate" | 22:52 |
| Zylopfa | on a site | 22:52 |
| Zylopfa | then if you go to page 2 on something, the other thing also go to page 2 or go to blank if it has no pages but 1 | 22:52 |
| Zylopfa | I have a feeling that some database lookups gets cached | 22:53 |
| Zylopfa | as i can paginate fine when in admin mode | 22:53 |
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| Zylopfa | I found 1 error in the bugfix | 23:06 |
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| Zylopfa | preaction I FIXED IT!! | 23:14 |
| @preaction | yay! | 23:14 |
| Zylopfa | The original author of the bugfix | 23:15 |
| Zylopfa | forgot to replace some 'pn' with the new page variable | 23:15 |
| Zylopfa | preaction sorry to disturb but how do i make diffs again? | 23:19 |
| Zylopfa | I have not my developer book on hand atm | 23:19 |
| @preaction | svn diff <- in your /data/WebGUI directory | 23:19 |
| @preaction | or "diff -u <old file> <new file>" | 23:19 |
| Zylopfa | thank you sir | 23:20 |
| Zylopfa | does <oldfile> <newfile> have to be complete path? | 23:20 |
| @preaction | no, can be relative paths | 23:20 |
| * perlDreamer likes bugs submitted with patches | 23:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | Zylopfa earns some karma | 23:23 |
| Zylopfa | thanks a lot | 23:24 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer isnt is very time consuming to apply patches? I mean for you guys adding them to svn? | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:33 |
| Zylopfa | You are very patient with noobs like myself | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it takes much less time to apply patches than it does to read a bug, try to duplicate a setup, debug it, fix it, document it and then commit it and close the bug. | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | It's really best case for you to submit a patch | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | since it fixes your bug right now | 23:34 |
| Zylopfa | yeah but i cant submit it to svn i can only upload the diff | 23:34 |
| Zylopfa | to the ticket | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | this is true | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but "your" WebGUI works right now, doesn't it? | 23:35 |
| Zylopfa | yes it works | 23:37 |
| Zylopfa | I love the short time it takes for bugs to be fixed | 23:38 |
| Zylopfa | I think i will find tickets and fix some bugs that i didnt report | 23:38 |
| @preaction | heh, not all bugs are as easy | 23:39 |
| @preaction | but please do, if you can't fix it completely, your research can help other people fix | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 23:39 |
| @preaction | plus it's fun and you learn stuff | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, the DataTable could use some attention | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | The date formatter is working strangly on my dev site | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll file it as a bug, then come look at it later | 23:40 |
| @preaction | not surprised, it works strange period | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Actually, it's some of the clearest JS I've ever read, preaction | 23:41 |
| @preaction | yeah, i just mean the internal YUI DataTable stuff works strangely | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that is true | 23:41 |
| @preaction | i had to do some strange hacks to get it working right | 23:41 |
| @preaction | but i documented those at least, and filed some bug reports against YUI | 23:41 |
| Zylopfa | sweet, I will browse the bugreports | 23:42 |
| Zylopfa | I am not so noob, I have made a plugin for payment drivers | 23:42 |
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| Zylopfa | for a danish payment provider | 23:42 |
| Zylopfa | I will put it in the bazaar soon | 23:42 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer can i ask you 1 last thing? | 23:46 |
| Zylopfa | (for today) | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, ask away! | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no need to ask to ask | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | just ask | 23:46 |
| Zylopfa | ok thing is i just installed webgui with wre | 23:46 |
| Zylopfa | I alwaus used to compile all myself | 23:47 |
| Zylopfa | but some said it was best with wre | 23:47 |
| Zylopfa | so i did that | 23:47 |
| Zylopfa | now i get errors in my logs | 23:47 |
| Zylopfa | Had to create DBD::mysql::dr::imp_data_size unexpectedly at | 23:47 |
| Zylopfa | +/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBI.pm line 1195. | 23:47 |
| Zylopfa | Thats what the log says | 23:47 |
| Zylopfa | + i get strange db disconnects at random times | 23:47 |
| Zylopfa | Its n0ot so pro if the visitors gets "Server Error" cause of db connections | 23:48 |
| Zylopfa | and then on refresh it work | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Zylopfa, unfortunately, I do not use the WRE. | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Please report that as a bug on the boards (with or without patch :). Be sure you let them know which OS you're using. | 23:51 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer i googled it and they say you need to change some lines in DBI.pm | 23:52 |
| Zylopfa | sounds very strange | 23:52 |
| Zylopfa | Never had this error when just compiling all things myself | 23:52 |
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| Zylopfa | perlDreamer i have found out why I think | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool! | 00:00 |
| Zylopfa | its a selinux error cause of some text relocation | 00:00 |
| Zylopfa | so you have to tell it that its ok | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | selinux is really nice, but it's also a big pain | 00:00 |
| Zylopfa | yeah :( | 00:01 |
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| Zylopfa | perlDreamer should I make a section in the installation of WRE that tells about SElinux? | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be a great idea | 00:09 |
| * perlDreamer steps out to pick up the children from school, back in 20. | 00:10 | |
| Zylopfa | i know i'd like it to be there for next time when i forget it | 00:10 |
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| * perlDreamer is back | 00:33 | |
| Zylopfa | Welcome! | 00:35 |
| Zylopfa | I found another problem! | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | another one? | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of software is this, anyway? | 00:35 |
| Zylopfa | Aparently the wreconsole insist that mysql is not running | 00:35 |
| Zylopfa | but it is running fine | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | is the test for detecting it broken? | 00:36 |
| Zylopfa | so every 3 min there is a logged error: was unable to restart mysql | 00:36 |
| Zylopfa | Maybe this is also why i get disconnects some times | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | could be | 00:36 |
| Zylopfa | I will check the code that checks for mysql | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're planning on submitting patches, please submit one patch per bug, and not rollups | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes it easier for us to track | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and easier for other to find already reported bugs | 00:37 |
| Zylopfa | Sure thing | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | in fact, you might want to search the bug boards to make sure those haven't already been fixed in SVN | 00:37 |
| Zylopfa | I love Webgui no matter what, the api is insane good imo | 00:37 |
| Zylopfa | I think young people will have a problem with webgui, cause you have to learn the api before you can do good things | 00:38 |
| Zylopfa | no offence to young people inhere ofc | 00:38 |
| * perlDreamer tries not to feel old... | 00:45 | |
| Zylopfa | haha :D | 00:48 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer i am looking at the method that checks for mysql | 00:48 |
| Zylopfa | it might be me who is making a configuration error so i am checking that also | 00:49 |
| Zylopfa | pew pew, i made an erorr | 00:52 |
| Zylopfa | I am new to wre, always used compiled from source apps so i forgot wre.conf | 00:53 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer is wre best in a production environment? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | many people use it for development as well | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | since it is a well-known, controlled environment | 00:54 |
| Zylopfa | yeah true, thats why i thought it might be best for production sites | 00:54 |
| Zylopfa | it works flawless now when i changed the SElinnux and i updated wre.conf | 00:55 |
| Zylopfa | Well it worked before also but not flawless | 00:55 |
| Zylopfa | There are also many nifty utilities with the wre, like automatic backups and the monitor system | 00:56 |
| Zylopfa | quit awesome that it restarts the things that has crashed somehow | 00:56 |
| Zylopfa | quite | 00:56 |
| Zylopfa | Not that it does in linux anyway ;D | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | there is talk now about trying to make the WRE utilities available for distributions | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | since there is a debian package | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and maybe soon an Ubuntu package | 00:57 |
| Zylopfa | sounds awesome, many will want to use the apt-get thing to make it all work | 00:58 |
| Zylopfa | out of the box | 00:58 |
| Zylopfa | RPMs could be made also but imo its easier just to install the thing, atleast on redhat | 00:59 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer can i ask you, why do many think that the amount of templates for a CMS system should be high? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | because of the number of applications that WebGUI ships with | 01:00 |
| Zylopfa | I mean, when you design websites for a cms system, you pretend there is no cms system and design your site | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and because almost everything is templatable | 01:00 |
| Zylopfa | yeah i know | 01:00 |
| Zylopfa | but that shouldnt just make you take default templates | 01:00 |
| Zylopfa | when i design sites for webgui, i design the site | 01:00 |
| Zylopfa | and then i make templates using that general design | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Since you know how WebGUI works, doesn't that affect your initial design? | 01:01 |
| Zylopfa | I never understood why the quality of a CMS is often measured in the number of templates for it | 01:01 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer no | 01:01 |
| Zylopfa | I outsourced the design parts and they just make xhtml designs with css | 01:02 |
| Zylopfa | and i put in the things for webgui | 01:02 |
| Zylopfa | its not many things | 01:02 |
| Zylopfa | True you have to make the views of Collaborating system to suit your design | 01:02 |
| Zylopfa | but you use your initial design to do that, so it fits in the overall scheme | 01:03 |
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| kevinru_ | Sorry for such a noob question.. someone just pointed me to WebGUI.. I was wondering if it would work out of the box on a hosted 1and1 account? | 01:28 |
| Zylopfa | hello kevinru_ , do you have full access to install on the server? | 01:29 |
| Zylopfa | you need that for webgui as it is a complete framework | 01:29 |
| kevinru_ | nope... | 01:29 |
| kevinru_ | Is there a host you'd recommend? | 01:30 |
| kevinru_ | zylopfa, I might be able to install it.. if I can execute it from a php script.. I don't have shell access | 01:30 |
| Zylopfa | you have to have shell access to install it | 01:31 |
| Zylopfa | and also you have to have permission to install on the webserver = root access | 01:32 |
| Zylopfa | I use a hosting company located in germany as i am from europe | 01:32 |
| Zylopfa | its 47 euro for your own server pr month | 01:32 |
| Zylopfa | You can also setup your own linux server on your home network if you are so inclined | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | kevinru_: you can also host through plainblack.com | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | It's not as inexpensive as doing it yourself, but they take care of a lot of the overhead | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | backups | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | os upgrades | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI upgrades, etc. | 01:39 |
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| kevinru_ | I'll check it out.. thanks | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: I just added some API to fix a bug in 7.6. Scathing comments, criticism's and alternate solutions appreciated. | 01:54 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer i have yet another inquiry | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | bring it on, Zylopfa | 01:54 |
| Zylopfa | Can we get Digest/SHA included in the wre? | 01:55 |
| Zylopfa | I need it atm for my paymentdriver | 01:55 |
| Zylopfa | for THE danish payment provider | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Digest/SHA | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:57 |
| Zylopfa | yeah its needed to verify that submitted data is valid | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | would Digest:SHA1 work? | 01:58 |
| Zylopfa | dont think it support sha 512 | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | you're sure that it isn't in the WRE, or is a prerequisite for any other WRE module? | 02:00 |
| Zylopfa | yeah i have the newest wre installed | 02:01 |
| Zylopfa | and it says its missing when i run my PaymentDriver | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it is hard to add prerequisites to the WRE for non-core modules | 02:01 |
| Zylopfa | yeah true | 02:01 |
| Zylopfa | But i was hoping to get the module into the core | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | if it goes into the core you're covered | 02:02 |
| Zylopfa | together with my PayPal driver that is soon done | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | until then, you can use cpan | 02:02 |
| Zylopfa | yeah | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, why should pasting be any different from adding assets any other way? | 02:04 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9387 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:04 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Prevent Wiki Pages from being pasted to anywhere but a Wiki Master. | 02:04 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add provisions for other assets to behave similarly. | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | all through WikiPage, there are chained method calls | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | $self->getWiki->someMethod | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | getWiki returns undef if the parent is not a WikiMaster | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so it breaks badly | 02:06 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that part i get | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | as to other methods... maybe they need to be excluded, too? | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | like canAdd? | 02:06 |
| @Haarg | i mean, why should pasting a wiki page in a folder be different from adding a wiki page to a folder | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not completely sure that I'm following you (having shades of Kristi's blog post). Are you saying that we need to block adding wiki pages to bad places, regardless of the method, paste, add, etc.? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | or something else? | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it seems like we should block them from being added to bad places in general | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, that would be blocked by canAdd | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | which doesn't do anything useful right now, except for $class->next::method($session, undef, '7'); | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | i may be back later - i'll try to take a look at the implementation | 02:12 |
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| Zylopfa | Damn i think i found an error in the Shop module | 03:11 |
| Zylopfa | it wont show transactions all of the sudden with upgrades | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | what errors are being shown? | 03:11 |
| Zylopfa | When i go to admin->shop->transactions | 03:12 |
| Zylopfa | i only get the search possibility | 03:12 |
| Zylopfa | and not the list of transactions | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | anything in the logs? | 03:13 |
| Zylopfa | the transaction is in the database | 03:13 |
| Zylopfa | but no log errors | 03:13 |
| Zylopfa | + if i use the searchfield nothing comes up also | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | this is in 7.5? | 03:17 |
| Zylopfa | 7.5.40-stable | 03:19 |
| Zylopfa | it was not in error in a version some months ago | 03:20 |
| Zylopfa | perlDreamer i found out why now | 03:22 |
| Zylopfa | WINDOWS EXPLODER 6.0 | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it must be some issue with YUI and IE6 | 03:23 |
| Zylopfa | its the new ajax stuff, it wont render in explorer | 03:23 |
| Zylopfa | i know ie6.0 is terribly outdated | 03:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Please file a bug for it | 03:23 |
| Zylopfa | but ie has always not supported standards | 03:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and the PB people can decide if they want to fix or waive it | 03:23 |
| Zylopfa | yeah | 03:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to be off the rest of the night with family, so I wish you luck for the rest of the evening. | 03:23 |
| Zylopfa | Thanks a lot for your help friend | 03:24 |
| Zylopfa | and take care! | 03:24 |
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| topsub | anyone good with navigation templates? | 06:14 |
| topsub | i have a bug in mine, i know what it is | 06:14 |
| topsub | but can't figure out a way to solve it | 06:14 |
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| elnino | good morning!!! | 18:47 |
| elnino | If I make a subscription code, can it be used more than once? | 18:48 |
| topsub | should be able to | 18:50 |
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| chupacabra | are the best install docs in the tarball | 20:12 |
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| chupacabra | just downloaded the latest beta | 20:17 |
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| chupacabra | nm read install | 20:18 |
| +BartJol | chupacabra: most complete docmentation is on webgui.org i think | 20:44 |
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| chupacabra | ya. about ready to fire it up but gotta go somewhere first. | 21:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9388 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): caching now takes into account the correct parameter for pagination | 21:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9389 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): caching now takes into account the correct parameter for pagination | 21:37 |
| daviddelikat | is it possible to get a peak at the error logs on webgui.org? | 21:41 |
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| daviddelikat | elnino: do you know if it is possible to peak at the errorlogs on webgui.org? | 22:05 |
| elnino | that's an interesting question. I know of no such thing. Sorry. | 22:06 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 22:06 |
| daviddelikat | do you know who has that kind of access? | 22:06 |
| elnino | I don't recognize anyone here that would know, there are a lot of new names. Not quite sure who knenn is. | 22:07 |
| daviddelikat | ok, I'll wait and ask on Monday | 22:07 |
| elnino | daviddelikat, have you used the shop in webgui? | 22:18 |
| daviddelikat | no i have not | 22:26 |
| daviddelikat | elnino: ( sorry for the long responce time ) | 22:27 |
| daviddelikat | why do you ask? | 22:27 |
| elnino | oh, I just wnated to konw if subscription codes could be used multi times, or if they are used once per person. | 22:28 |
| elnino | I think that is shop specific.... | 22:28 |
| daviddelikat | got me, I'm still pretty new at WG | 22:28 |
| elnino | How do you turn on beeps on this thing? , my other computer has an audiable notification that someone typed something.. =( | 22:29 |
| daviddelikat | I've been trying to do the same, I use Miranda and it doesn't seem to have any audible attention feature | 22:29 |
| daviddelikat | im going to see if theres a rfe on the web site. | 22:30 |
| elnino | I think i found it. but think I need to log off. | 22:30 |
| elnino | I use xchat. | 22:30 |
| elnino | and I dont' think it's free anymore. =( | 22:30 |
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| wgGuest35 | daviddelikat: | 22:45 |
| wgGuest35 | daviddelikat | 22:46 |
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| +BartJol | daviddelikat: I'm not sure who has access to that server. I suspect that most pb staff have it, so Haarg, khenn and rizen should have it, I'm not sure about the new guys positions yet | 22:58 |
| +BartJol | elnino: I think subscription codes are unique | 22:59 |
| +BartJol | but it can have things as ticker, coupons etc attached if I'm right | 23:00 |
| +BartJol | tickets | 23:00 |
| elnino | ok. I'll try to read up on this more, I find this kinda confusing. but I've been splitting my concentration on two things, so that doesn't help. | 23:02 |
| +BartJol | I believe the shop book helps, bu I haven't got it at home | 23:03 |
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| +BartJol | yo preaction, can you remove this wiki entry? http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/hot-moms-preggy-chat-free | 23:48 |
| @preaction | aww... i liked that wiki entry | 23:48 |
| +BartJol | I remoevd the content | 23:48 |
| +BartJol | :) | 23:48 |
| @preaction | done. now to see if i can somehow purge it from the wiki | 23:49 |
| @preaction | sweet, purging from trash works | 23:50 |
| +BartJol | if it would really help me to find round chested women that want sex with us, it might be usefull | 23:50 |
| @preaction | unfortunately i think it was just another scam preying on our need for beautiful voluptuous sexy women who want to make us feel like men | 23:50 |
| @preaction | also, i don't want you to have them, they're all mine | 23:51 |
| +BartJol | ok, I'll just have Sarah then | 23:51 |
| +BartJol | and maybe kristi, but I heard, she;s insane | 23:52 |
| +BartJol | oh preaction, daviddelikat wanted to have error logs from webgui.org, dunno why, but sure you can reach those | 23:53 |
| +BartJol | if daviddelikat is still awake | 23:53 |
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