WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-02.log

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daviddelikatpreaction: I'm investigting a disappearing picture for http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and I wanted to see if it caused any errors  in the log.02:20
@preactiondaviddelikat: here's the error: 2009/01/31 18:17:02 - WARN - www.plainblack.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAs02:22
@preactionsetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: wg/promote/gooey-on-the02:22
@preaction-go/webgui-license-plate-club/michigan-license-plate Root cause: Can't use string ("02:22
@preactiongooey on the go license plate cl") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /da02:22
@preactionta/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 798.02:22
@preaction... er, my bad02:22
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chupacabraanybody seen tamar02:52
chupacabrai miss her cute ass shaking defiantly.02:53
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chupacabraoops wrong channel..  sory.02:55
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conexcolgood to see people here03:02
conexcolI want to start developing things for webgui03:02
@preactionthat's great! we're here to help03:02
conexcolI'm trying to start a project to build a directory with search capabilities03:02
conexcolI'd like to have some recomendations on how to approach this... is an asset, a set of macros, etc.03:03
conexcolI'd like to have categories and subcategories, user submitions, keywords search, etc03:04
@preactiona directory for what kind of data?03:04
conexcollike yahoo :p03:04
@preactionyou could probably put the whole system together using the Collaboration System if you wanted03:05
conexcolmmm.. interesting...03:05
@preactionbut probably your best bet would be to make a set of custom assets03:05
conexcolhow's that?03:05
@preactionassets because they are indexed into the WebGUI Search asset (so your searching would come almost free)03:06
@preactionalso because assets are arranged in a tree, so that comes free too03:06
conexcolhow fast is the search engine?03:07
@preactionif you have a top-level asset type for the "Directory" one asset type for a "Category" and one asset type for a "Directory Entry", you should be able to quickly do it03:07
@preactioni have never seen it take very long03:07
conexcoljmm. let me digest this...03:07
@preactionalternatively, you can design your database first and then build a single asset to navigate, another asset to search03:08
@preactionanother asset to manage entries in your custom database, etc...03:08
conexcolI see...03:08
conexcolActually, I already have the database03:08
conexcolI guess another asseit for user submision...03:09
@preactionso build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data03:09
@preactionyou could also write it as a WebGUI::Content handler instead, which is a lower-level API that stays out of your way03:10
@preactioni wouldn't suggest it unless you had a very good reason03:10
@preactionmy opinion is that the different assets to view, search, and edit entries would be the best way03:10
conexcolI'll have to go for about 15 mins.. this is getting quite interesting.. please baer with me.. I'll be back shortly03:11
@preactionunfortunately i have to go as well, but there are plenty of people who can help, and I'm here most of the time03:11
conexcolok, thanks a lot03:12
conexcolI really want to start developing tonight03:12
@preactionthe WebGUI Developer's Guide from Plain Black has a wealth of getting-started information and tutorials on how to accomplish various tasks03:12
@preactionthe wiki has a guide on "how to create an asset"03:12
@preactionthere is a code skeleton in lib/WebGUI/Asset/_NewAsset.skeleton and lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_NewWobject.skeleton (a Wobject is what you'll want probably, it's basically a higher-level asset)03:13
@preactionthe wiki is http://wiki.webgui.org03:13
conexcolI'm back03:31
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conexcolpreaction: if you're still here, when you said "so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data", where exactly should I do this?04:03
conexcolwhat's the difference between Asset and Wobject?04:06
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chupacabrainstalling LWP failed.06:05
chupacabraFedora 1006:06
chupacabrarunning testEnviornment.pl06:06
chupacabrasounds important.  i know it is for some irc bots ive had.06:08
chupacabrammm  installed LWP with yum and all seems well06:15
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conexcoldoes anyboday know how the Bazaar is made with (wich Asset)?06:39
wgGuest88daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet?06:40
daviddelikatdaviddelikat: are your sounds working yet?06:44
wgGuest88daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet?06:44
daviddelikatsorry for all the junk, I'm done goofing around now...06:45
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chupacabralots of perl modules06:58
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conexcoldoes anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)?08:32
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chupacabrahow important is Aopache2::Request  mine wont install it.17:11
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bpmedleywhat problems are you having?17:50
bpmedleyyou may need to download and pass arguments to the Makfile.PL script17:50
chupacabraahh.  19:55
chupacabraI'm busy now.  will check back in after work.  thanks though.19:55
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@preactionchupacabra: if you're having trouble with manually installing stuff, perhaps the WRE would be a good idea20:59
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conexcoldoes anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)?21:49
@preactionconexcol: it's a custom asset called Bazaar, available in svn at https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/experimental/Bazaar21:52
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+BartJolyo, I've got a upgrade question for sites with custom assets15:16
+BartJolwe mostly put the assets in a custom dir15:16
+BartJolbut the upgrade script doesn't seem to regonise the path and thus can't call the getId method on the asset15:16
+BartJolthis breaks the upgrade, which can be quite annoying15:17
+BartJolwe tried a perl -I with the path after it, but that also didn't work15:17
+BartJolAm I missing something? otherwise I'm gonna submit a RFE for it15:18
+BartJolsomeone got some ideas on this?15:24
+BartJolpreaction: you know whether I'm doing something stupid?15:26
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+BartJolah the master of development15:29
+BartJolkhenn: you know whether I'm missing something simple when upgrading a site with custom plugins?15:30
+BartJolit seems to skip preload.custom15:30
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@khennit's likely a bug in the upgrade script15:30
@khennwhat are you trying to do?15:32
@khennnot sure why the upgrade script needs to know about your custom modules15:32
+BartJolupgrading from 7.5.38 to latest15:32
@khennit's breaking?15:32
@khennperhaps Haarg would know better15:33
+BartJolI fixed it already by putting it in the normal lib dir15:33
+BartJolbut that is not the preferable solution15:33
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+BartJolwell I posted a bug15:57
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wgGuest47anyone know how to move pages up or down in navigation from the home page?17:08
+BartJolyou can change the rank in the assetmanager17:08
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+BartJolmy pleasure17:10
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@HaargBartJol, i plan to have upgrade.pl use preload.custom, but it doesn't at this point.  it's simple enough to use perl -I or PERL5LIB= once you know, but it should be automatic.17:51
+BartJolHaarg: ah, thanks17:54
+BartJolgood to know17:54
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brikenvHi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview.19:05
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brikenvHi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview.19:31
perlmonkey21Is there a way to run two WebGUI directories at the same time?  I didn't know if it was too big a PITA to track down all the /data/WebGUI references.19:32
@preactionperlmonkey21: only if you run two instances of apache at the same time. i think there are only a couple places to change /data/WebGUI to something else19:33
perlmonkey21preaction: sweet, I'll see if I can run it down.19:33
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@Haargonly places that will have /data/WebGUI listed should be the config files and preload.perl19:33
@preactionbrikenv: do you need a developer or will a power user do fine?19:34
brikenvhi preaction. poweruser will be fine. just general questions19:34
@preactionbrikenv: the official Plain Black person to answer those types of questions would be tavis@plainblack.com19:36
+perlDreamerhe's a power user19:36
perlmonkey21preaction: sweet, thanks a bil19:36
@preactionhe's borderline developer, something i always seem to forget19:36
perlmonkey21Haarg: err, I meant you19:36
@preactiontavisto is MS-certified sysadmin, netadmin and other wonderfully geeky things (in addition to being easy on the eyes)19:37
brikenvwell. i'm german. will be easier for me to ask in the chat then do it in writting19:37
@preactioni'm not savvy on how his schedule works, but he may be able to do even better (skype or something)19:38
brikenvi just want to know if a couple of features are existing or not, as i couldn't find the informations on the website19:38
@tavistohi brikenv, I'd be happy to answer your questions19:38
brikenvhi tavisto. thats great thank you19:39
brikenvprivate room?19:39
@tavistosure go ahead and private me19:39
+perlDreamertavisto, if we learn that you're bad mouthing WebGUI in private, it shall not go well with you...19:40
* perlDreamer ends his threat with an ominous elipsis19:40
@preactionhe can't badmouth it, he had a major hand in shaping it19:40
@tavistohah, the marketing guy bad mouthing the product... that's a good one19:40
@preactiondot. dot dot....19:40
+perlDreamerdot dot dot ... dot dot dot19:44
@preactiondash dot dash?19:44
+perlDreamerS.O.S. in dots only19:47
+perlDreamerMorse code really uses 3 symbols, and they can be very arbitrary19:48
+perlDreamerThe module Acme::Bleach is built the same way20:08
+perlDreamerit reencodes your code using all legal whitespace characters20:08
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bernd_Hey everyone! Greetings from Bayreuth...20:45
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+perlDreamerWhere is Bayreuth?20:48
bernd_Northern Bavaria20:48
bernd_You know Richard Wagner?20:48
bernd_Bayreuth is were the annual Richard Wagner Festspiele take place.20:49
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+perlDreameris that why you're there?20:55
bernd_No, I am on a business trip.20:56
bernd_I do not even know Wagner. I just heard that the city is famous for staging of his works. 20:57
+BartJolbusiness trip, yeeeeah20:57
bernd_Boring :-(20:58
bernd_I hate business trips...20:58
+BartJolgo to the wuc, that's not boring20:58
bernd_... as long as I am on my own.20:58
bernd_I bet.20:58
bernd_But I have not collected enough karma yet :-)20:58
+BartJolallthough, you shouldn't have to travel that far to meet so many dutchies20:59
+BartJolyou don't need karma20:59
bernd_What about you coming to one of our drinks in Heidelberg?20:59
+BartJolmaybe later this year21:00
+BartJolI have to buy a house21:00
+BartJolit will cost me most of my days off21:00
bernd_I thought you have bought a house?21:00
+BartJolit's a slow process21:00
bernd_I need the karma to pay for it!21:00
bernd_Or do you want to be forced to listen to one of my talks?21:00
+BartJolI'm willing to donate some karma21:01
bernd_I can tell you they are veeeery boring.21:01
+BartJolI wouldn't mind I think21:01
bernd_Well, I would need some 50 000 karma points then.21:01
+BartJolmmm, I don't have that21:01
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bernd_perlDreamer is probably the only one who could pay for the conference with karma,21:02
+perlDreamerNope, I'm several thousand short21:02
* perlDreamer is currently bashing his head on JS21:03
bernd_Is it Javascript or did you forget the T?21:03
+BartJolseveral 1000's that's mearly weeks for you21:03
bernd_Yeah, would be really cool if someone paid with karma.21:04
+BartJolbut I suspect perlDreamer is presenting anyway21:04
bernd_Most likely. Maybe something about JS?21:05
+perlDreamerI sure hope not21:05
+perlDreamerJavascript is starting to look like spaghetti mixed with tapeworms21:06
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+perlDreamerhuman intestinal parasite21:09
bernd_Ah, Bandwürmer!21:10
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bernd_perlDreamer, I am having problems with the translation server.21:12
bernd_Character encoding/decoding does not work.21:13
+BartJoloh, yeah, thanks for the wiki entry, I got it installed21:13
bernd_If I do not use the rich editor,21:13
bernd_umlauts get strange encondings like "\374", which are not recognized by the browser.21:13
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bernd_Anyone else knowing about the translation server and character encodings?21:25
+perlDreamerKlaus filed a bug about character encodings, but they worked fine in the browser.21:25
bernd_I am not sure if that is related.21:26
bernd_What I don't understand is why characters are converted at all.21:27
bernd_If the default encoding is utf8 there should not be any conversion required?21:27
@Haargdefault encoding of what?21:27
bernd_I think the browser is using utf-8.21:28
bernd_So why decode in www_editItemSave?21:28
bernd_Isn't the text area delivering utf-8 as well?21:28
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bernd_I assume decode_utf8 converts from utf-8 to unicode wide characters. Is that correct?21:30
+perlDreamerwe decode from utf8 into perl's native string representation21:30
bernd_But why?21:30
bernd_The browser wants utf-8 in the end.21:31
bernd_Is it re-converted to utf-8 at one point?21:31
+perlDreamerI believe it is reconverted to utf8 when written out to the translation files21:31
bernd_Just checked: the browser encoding is utf-8 when using the translation server.21:31
bernd_perlDreamer, do you mean upon commit?21:32
+perlDreamerno, after saving21:32
+perlDreamerwhen committing, it writes to SVN21:32
bernd_That is not the case.21:32
bernd_I can find those perl wide characters in the translation files.21:32
bernd_Want an example?21:32
+perlDreamerThat is what Klaus's bug is about21:33
+perlDreamerData::Dumper, which is used to serialize the data to the file, will alternately handle the encodings in different ways21:33
bernd_Hm, nothing we can do about it?21:33
bernd_I cannot continue with the translation at the moment.21:33
bernd_I would have to re-check all phrases with umlauts.21:34
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+perlDreamerIs this on i18n.webgui.org, or a locally installed copy?21:34
bernd_It is the local copy.21:35
topsubare "admins" the only ones who can look at the asset manager tree?21:35
bernd_I have not experienced on i18n.webgui.org yet.21:35
topsubthe only group that is21:35
+perlDreamertopsub, I don't believe so.21:35
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topsubI am getting lil confused as to how to set this up. Trying to keep clients from being able to control everything21:36
+perlDreamerbernd_: then I think you should double check i18n.webgui.org21:36
bernd_But how?21:36
bernd_I have been using i18n.webgui.org frequently.21:36
bernd_So far no problems.21:36
+perlDreamerbernd_: then the problem must be local to your machine.  That's a small comfort.21:37
bernd_Not sure, since I have found corrupted characters in translations that others have done.21:37
bernd_The bug is probably there.21:37
bernd_I am just not sure what causes it.21:37
+perlDreamertopsub: in 7.6, with the new config file, you can easily specify which groups can access parts of the admin console21:38
topsubthats nice!21:38
+perlDreamerbut that just hides it in the UI21:39
bernd_Just checked permissions under settings. But it seems that the config file is the only way to hide the asset manager.21:39
@Haargso when the character encoding bug you are talking about occurs, what is the result of it?21:40
@Haargas for why we decode and encode21:41
bernd_Instead of "ü" I get "\374".21:41
bernd_The latter is probably the perl encoding?21:41
@Haargand why does that matter?21:41
topsubso if they have the url then they could see it?21:41
bernd_In translation modules such as Account_User.pm21:41
@Haargwe need to have all the strings in the same format so they can be combined together21:42
bernd_Haarg, it matters because those characters appear as strange characters in my browser.21:42
bernd_It seems that re-conversion is missing.21:42
@Haargon the translation server or when using them in webgui?21:42
bernd_When using them in webgui.21:42
bernd_Actually, not true.21:43
bernd_I have tested with a recent beta version.21:43
@Haargthe strings coming out of the i18n modules should be in perl's internal encoding21:43
bernd_Has that always been the case?21:43
bernd_Using the rich editor causes HTML entities!21:43
@Haargwhere the data coming from/to the browser is utf821:43
bernd_In translation files that is.21:44
@Haargin 7.4 and previous, we weren't handing encodings properly21:44
@Haargwe just dealt with everything as bytes21:45
* perlDreamer goes running21:45
@Haargwhich led to a number of problems when storing them in the database or doing processing on them21:45
bernd_No more than 4 minutes per km, perlDreamer!21:45
bernd_But 7.4 is far in the past.21:45
bernd_Why does the problem occur now?21:46
+perlDreamerI try to average 10 minutes/mile21:46
bernd_That is even more.21:46
@preactionabout the same21:46
bernd_You *must* get faster.21:47
@preactionperlbot math 2.2 * 421:47
bernd_Otherwise it is no longer running ;-)21:47
@preactionoh, that's slower!21:47
bernd_Isn't a mile 1.6 km?21:47
+BartJolor 1.852 km of your talking nautical miles21:48
@preaction2.2 i always thought21:48
+BartJolpreaction: nope21:48
@preactionoh, i'm wrong21:48
+BartJoltreasure this sparse moment in time preaction21:48
@preactionmmmm... 21:49
bernd_Nicely said!21:49
bernd_preaction, I am glad you are not working for NASA.21:50
bernd_Ooops, forgot the smiley :-)21:50
+BartJolrizen never has that, even when he's wrong, he's right21:50
bernd_That is probably by definition.21:50
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@preactionbernd_: i was only off by a factor of 0.6, well within NASA's standards (they are, after all, a government agency)21:51
bernd_And that is probably the reason they lost pathfinder.21:51
bernd_Or was it some other satellite?21:51
* perlDreamer goes slowly shambling21:52
+perlDreamerdeafferret will be distressed21:52
@preactionthey lost a mars rover or two21:52
+perlDreamerjust 121:52
+perlDreamerthe UK lost one, too21:52
+perlDreamernamed Beagle21:52
bernd_No wonder, they use the same unit system.21:52
@preactionthat being said, i'm sure it's much like airlines: you only hear about the disasters21:53
@preactionbut comparing a space shuttle to an airplane is like comparing an amoeba to a human21:53
@preactioner.. a human to an amoeba21:53
bernd_Not sure if old NASA shuttles are rather the amoeba.21:54
+BartJolstrange, airplanes have more people in it21:54
@preactionfewer moving parts though21:55
@preactionyou could build an airplane with no electronics, good luck building a space-capable vehicle with no electonics21:55
+BartJolthe russians hardly fail, but they put it in the extinguish pot21:55
@preactionthat can safely ferry a human being during its entire trip, i should add21:55
bernd_You can build a rocket with pure chemistry!21:56
+BartJolthat will go up yeah..., I'd harldy feel safe haveing to get back again21:58
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@Haargbernd_, as far as i can tell having \374, \x{fc}, or ü in the .pm files should work the same22:10
bernd_Hm, let me check again and create a screenshot.22:11
bernd_Maybe it's not the translation server but a problem in the beta I was using.22:11
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@Haargwell, there does seem to be a problem with how something is getting handled by the translation server, it just doesn't seem to be something that would lead to problems when used in webgui22:13
bernd_Still I have seen those corrupted characters.22:14
+BartJolit also happened with the spanish translation I remember22:15
+BartJolbut that's a while ago22:15
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bernd_Haar, the problem still persists even after updating to head.22:25
bernd_I have the screenshot ready.22:26
bernd_How can I send it to you?22:26
bernd_But how?22:26
@Haargemail will work22:26
bernd_Is it possible via irc?22:26
bernd_Thanks :-)22:27
bernd_I was just about to look it up.22:27
@Haargalso, do you have the i18n modules available somewhere?22:27
bernd_Yep. One moment...22:27
bernd_The corresponding module is here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m14939fb022:29
@Haargthat was created with translationserver.cgi ?22:30
bernd_And here is the page source: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d587cdf7c22:30
bernd_Haarg, yes!22:30
bernd_But a local installation.22:30
@Haargmodified any?22:30
bernd_According to perlDreamers instructions.22:30
bernd_No. Just the header lines.22:30
@Haargthat seems odd22:31
@Haargjust a sec22:31
bernd_Is there a problem with encodings?22:31
bernd_Or is there a problem with webgui?22:31
@Haargit has double quotes22:32
@Haargdata::dumper uses single quotes by default22:32
@Haargwhich leads me to think you are using a different version of translationserver.cgi or a different version of data::dumper22:32
bernd_Let me see if that is true for other modules as well.22:32
@Haargtry this:22:33
@Haargperl -mData::Dumper -e'print Data::Dumper->VERSION, "\n"'22:33
bernd_Older files seem to have the single quotes.22:35
bernd_Only the new ones I created appear to be affected.22:35
bernd_Is the version number correct?22:35
@Haargjust a sec22:36
bernd_The WRE I am using is 0.8.522:36
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@Haargi guess it is using double quotes now22:37
@Haargmy bad22:37
bernd_But what about encodings?22:38
bernd_Are the correct ones being used?22:38
bernd_Sorry for asking, but I know nothing about character encodings.22:38
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bernd_I just noticed, that those question mark in diamond characters got replaced in the pastebin.22:40
@Haargwell, it's using \37422:40
bernd_Which is the perl encoding?22:40
@Haargessentially yes22:40
bernd_And therefore correct?22:40
@Haargthat should be correct as far as i can tell22:41
bernd_So the conversion to utf-8 is no longer working?22:41
bernd_Uh, I found something.22:42
bernd_It is all converted to ISO-8859-122:42
@Haarghow so?22:42
bernd_Changing the encoding manually in the browser solves the problem.22:43
bernd_But why is that?22:43
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bernd_Haarg, do you want another screenshot?22:43
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bernd_Anything else I can do?22:47
bernd_Want the svn revision I am using=22:48
bernd_It is 9389 directly checked out from the repository,22:48
bernd_running inside WRE 0.8.522:49
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bernd_Haarg, still working on this?22:54
bernd_If not, I am going to bed now.22:54
@Haargi'm thinking about it - i don't need any more information from you22:55
bernd_Good. Are you going to take care of the bug report?22:55
@Haargthere's already the bug on the list for this22:56
bernd_Good night then!22:56
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@Haargwell, i may have found a solution23:05
@Haargi'm thinking the problem is due to utf8 vs UTF-823:05
@Haargtelling Data::Dumper to use the perl code instead of XS makes it work properly - it outputs byte sequences to the file23:06
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* deafferret is distressed23:06
@preactionthat is the craziest thing i've heard23:07
@Haarg\374 is an octal version of \x{fc} basically23:08
* deafferret is also dysentarious23:08
@Haargthe unicode code point for that character is U+00FC23:08
@Haargbut the proper way to encode that as utf8 is \x{c3}\x{bb}23:09
@Haargsince the code point fits in a single byte though, perl encodes it internally as a single byte sometimes23:10
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+perlDreamerHaarg, that sounds like a beautiful solution23:42
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+perlDreamerspeed isn't necessary for that CGI in any case23:42
@Haargshould just be a matter of changing Useqq to Useperl23:42
+perlDreamerdo you want me to make that change and recommit, Haarg?23:48
@Haargit's basically working around a Data::Dumper bug23:48
@Haargwe don't have a real fix though23:49
@Haargand there is already a bug report for this23:49
@preaction... those slow jerks23:50
@Haargwas reported 1.5 years ago23:50
@preactionthat like a million years in Internet time23:50
+perlDreamerI hate developers that don't fix bugs fast!23:50
+perlDreamerI mean, just who do those guys think they are, with their fancy, shmancy SVN access and all?23:51
* preaction doesn't look at the oldest bug on the webgui list23:51
* perlDreamer repents in sackcloth and ashes23:51
+perlDreamersvn rev 9390, Haarg23:52
@Haargcool, thanks23:53
+perlDreamerpreaction, you haven't found out why $self->{_env} is not %ENV yet, have you?23:53
@preactionperlDreamer: no cluesies23:54
+perlDreamerthat bug scares me23:54
@preactionheh, you and me both man...23:54
+perlDreameralthough, it would explain several other random issues, like kristi's spectre bug23:54
+perlDreamerwhere all of a sudden spectre decided that her IP address had changed23:55
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@Haargpreaction, is that an intermittent problem or is it always happening?23:57
@preactionHaarg: it was always happening23:58
perlmonkey21in 7.6.10 does the assetManager show assets for everyone else?23:58
@preactionperlmonkey21: it does for me, but only after spectre was done committing assets23:58
perlmonkey21preaction: ah, so that's my problem on this new site.  After wreconsole created the site and I started it up, the logs showed that www.site.com.conf had some malformed json and spectre chokes.  Which is why I couldn't see the assets.23:59
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@preactioni'll be here all week, try the veal!00:00
@preactionif i were to add a "Global Head Tags" entry in the settings, would it go under "User Interface" or "Content"?00:00
@preactioni would think UI would be more appropriate, since it has style templates inside it already00:00
@Haargpreaction, does the Env macro not work for you?00:01
@preactionHaarg: for my global head tags thing? 00:01
@preactionmy other thing isn't using the Env macro, it's in code00:01
@preactiontrying to do a setRedirect00:01
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@preactionthe global head tags thing is convenience for designers and admins, instead of having to add head tags to every single style template on the site (and then change them on every single style template on the site)00:02
@Haargi can't duplicate your issue with session->env vs ENV00:05
@preactioneven inside a WebGUI::Account module?00:05
@Haargi put some warnings at the top of WebGUI::Account::Inbox::www_view00:06
@preactioni dunno then00:07
@preactioni mean, feel free to close as unable to duplicate. if i get into a situation where it happens again i'll try to see what more info i can gather00:07
+perlDreamerpreaction, is some custom code writing to the env object directly?00:07
@preactioni doubt anyone would be that stupid, but it would be a good idea for me to check00:08
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9390 /tools/translationserver.cgi: 00:14
CIA-46WebGUI: Force Data::Dumper to use the pure perl version to stop00:14
CIA-46WebGUI: random encodings in the data.00:14
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+perlDreamerHaarg, when you update the translation server on i18n.webgui.org, I'll close that bug on the trackers, http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/930801:04
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+perlDreamerHaarg, can I talk through a spectre bug with you?01:11
+perlDreamerIt's this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/930201:12
+perlDreamerHoller after you've read it01:12
+perlDreamerThat error message comes from Operation/Spectre/spectreTest, which runs a bunch of tests01:14
+perlDreamerthe first thing it does it check to see if there are any subnet issues01:14
+perlDreamerit uses $session->env->getIp01:14
+perlDreamerThat's the user's IP address01:14
+perlDreamerbut the Spectre connection is made by the _server_, which means that the check will always fail01:14
+perlDreamerunless you're on the server when making the request, or in a valid subnet01:15
+perlDreamermost of the time, this code is never called, since the subroutine is only invoked when Workflow::Instance tries to hand off a workflow to Spectre, when it runs too long01:15
+perlDreamerDid all that make sense to you?01:16
@Haargyeah, give me a sec01:16
+perlDreamersorry, that's about 30 minutes of research condensed down to 4 minutes01:17
CIA-46WebGUI: tabitha * r9391 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (2 files): Added styles for taking a survey01:18
@Haargso were you thinking of a specific fix?01:26
+perlDreamerfrom the apache request object, pull the connection object, then use the ->local_ip method to get the server's IP address01:27
@Haargi have a different thought01:28
@Haargseems like spectreTest should be treated like an api method and not do that checking at all01:29
@Haargmove the tests into the www_ method01:29
+perlDreamerthe goal of spectreTest, iirc, is to tell the user whenever the server can't talk to spectre and try to tell them why01:29
@Haargbut 'the user' was initially only spectre01:30
+perlDreamerBecause before we had all realtime workflows, if the user hit commit, and couldn't talk to spectre, it really mucked up their site and wouldn't tell them why01:31
@Haargyeah, but there was never any feedback on that01:31
+perlDreamerright, and now there is.01:32
+perlDreamerI don't think we should change that01:32
@Haargyeah, but the user feedback part they just reused part of the api01:32
@Haargthat wasn't designed for that usage01:32
+perlDreamerthat's true01:34
+perlDreameris there any way to compromise?01:34
+perlDreamercan we make spectreTest aware of how/who is calling it?01:34
@Haargwell, that check is meaningless outside the www_spectreTest method imo01:34
@Haargthe macro looks busted as well01:35
+perlDreamerit would be equally busted, since env->getIp would be the user's IP01:35
@Haargand the feedback it gives is just wrong in that case01:35
@Haargin order to get the information it is looking for01:36
@Haargit would need to tell spectre to request something from webgue01:36
@Haargthen have spectre hand the result of that back through the ikc connection01:37
+perlDreamerwhich it won't do if the subnet connection is wrong?01:38
@Haargwell, if we can't connect to spectre with ikc01:38
@Haargthen it is down or misconfigured01:39
@Haargif we can connect, but it can't connect back to webgui via http01:39
@Haargthen the subnet setting is wrong01:39
@Haargi don't know enough about poe to be able to do that though01:40
+perlDreamerit already does something like that01:40
@Haargthe spectreTest thing you mean?01:40
@Haargor somewhere else?01:41
+perlDreamersee line 201 of Operation/Spectre01:41
@Haargit connects to spectre01:41
@Haargthat's easy though01:41
@Haargthe hard part is that spectre then has to make a web request, and return something to webgui based on that web request01:41
+perlDreamerI see01:42
+perlDreamerwhat if it called runTests?01:42
@HaargspectreTest as it is is correct for its past usage - spectre making sure it could connect01:42
+perlDreamerfrom Spectre/Admin/runTests01:42
@Haargi don't think that would work well01:43
@Haargit would stop spectre while it did anything01:43
@Haargthe correct way would probably be to use the POE HTTP stuff01:44
@Haargand i don't know how to get that working with the sending a response01:44
+perlDreamerisn't that what spectre ping is doing01:48
+perlDreamerand there are other methods that fetch data from WebGUI inside of Spectre.  to get the site data, for example01:49
@Haargbut again, that's using LWP01:50
@Haargit would need to use the POE stuff instead01:50
+perlDreamerso that it doesn't block Spectre from doing its regular thing01:50
+perlDreamerI definitely see your point then.01:51
+perlDreamerbut isn't www_spectreTest exposed in the UI someplace?01:52
+perlDreamermaybe I'm thinking of spectreStatus01:52
@Haargafaik spectreTest is only used by spectre itself01:52
+perlDreameryou're right01:53
+perlDreamerI'll pull the subnet check out of spectreTest, and drop it into www_spectreTest01:53
+perlDreamerthen all should be well01:53
@Haargwell, better at least01:53
@Haargthe macro will still be trying to report an error we have no way of detecting currently01:53
+perlDreamerbut once that test is pulled out of Operation::Spectre::spectreTest, it will never return that error code01:54
@Haargwhich is better than what currently happens01:55
@Haargbut still not quite right01:55
+perlDreamerdo you think that the POE code would get executed quickly enough for the original HTTP request from the user not to timeout?01:56
+perlDreamerLooks like POE::Component::Client::HTTP has an interface that looks like LWP01:59
@Haargthe interface is fine02:00
@Haargit's the async nature of the thing that i would have to read a bunch about to figure out02:00
+perlDreamerthen, even if we fix the immediate problem of using the wrong IP, we shouldn't close the bug until it all works02:06
+perlDreameror, we should close that bug, and open another as a placeholder so that it gets fixed at some point02:06
@Haargi think a new bug02:07
+perlDreamerI'll do that then, and let you get back to work.02:07
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+perlDreamerokay, I lied about letting you get back to work.02:16
+perlDreamerJust to round up the WikiPage talk from last week, where user's could add/paste them in the wrong place.02:16
+perlDreamerI fixed the add hole, too.02:16
+perlDreamerAlthough, in the default UI, there's no button/link to add a WikiPage just any old place02:17
@Haargthe thing i was thinging about though, is when would the rules for restricting paste ever be different from those restricting add?02:19
@Haargseems like there shouldn't need to be a canPaste method, because canAdd should already give you that information02:20
+perlDreamerI did look at it, but decided that since it did a group check it was too stringent02:23
@Haargalso, if i didn't mention it, WGDev should be in pretty good shape now - commands are documented and the interfaces should be pretty stable02:25
+perlDreamerI'll add it to my TODO list for the week.02:26
+perlDreamerIt would be nice to have the templateFile folded into there02:26
@Haargif you can take a look at it (usage/code/docs/other) i'd appreciate it02:26
+perlDreamerYou bet.02:26
@Haargi have something along those lines in progress i think02:26
CIA-46WebGUI: yung * r9392 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/MatrixCompare.pm): fixed #9635: Matrix - Add attributes not working02:27
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm: Prevent WikiPages from being manually added to places where they shouldn't.02:27
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9394 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm): 02:27
CIA-46WebGUI: Fix the bad subnet checking in spectreTest. Subnet checks should only happen02:27
CIA-46WebGUI: in www_spectreTest, until a way is found to round trip data in and out of spectre02:27
CIA-46WebGUI: back to WebGUI. Documented how and where that should occur.02:27
@Haargit currently has a command for editting assets with an arbitrary command02:27
+perlDreamerthrough the API, or the DB?02:27
@Haargwell, it exports the asset to a file inspired by the past template upgrade format02:28
@Haargthen runs a command against it, and reimports it when complete02:28
@Haargi have some in progress code for exporting to a directory tree and detecting changes for import/packaging02:29
+perlDreameroh, like a filter.  That's perfect.  If those are separable easily, then input, output and package are easy02:29
@Haargthere's api methods for serializing/deserializing assets02:29
+perlDreamerback to WikiPage, canAdd will also look at the config file for the addPrivsGroup for adding.  If we use canAdd, they would be able to paste as well.  Which is different from how it works now.02:30
+perlDreamerBut I don't know if that's bad.02:30
+perlDreamerjust different02:30
@Haargmaybe they need to be two separate checks, but one as a permission check02:31
@Haargand the other as a system integrity check02:31
@HaargcanAdd would use both02:31
@Haargpasting would only do the second02:31
+perlDreamerso we'd still need canPaste then02:31
+perlDreamerI could add a ->validParent method.  Is that descriptive enough?02:32
+perlDreamerpaste would basically wrap that02:32
+perlDreamerand canAdd would call it in addition to Asset's canAdd02:32
@Haargi think that sounds ok02:32
@Haargyou mean ::Asset's canAdd would also call that?02:33
+perlDreamerno, WikiPage's canAdd would02:34
@Haargi was thinking it would be a general method02:34
+perlDreamerPost and Thread would  use it02:34
@Haargcan calendar02:35
+perlDreamerfor Events02:35
+perlDreamerokay, we'll do it that way.02:36
@Haargsounds good to me02:36
@Haargi'm heading home - i'll be on later02:36
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elninoI have a folder asset with a lot of photos in it. And "all of a sudden" (I can't confirm this) our users are getting the following error: "stop running this script? a script on this page is causing interent explorer to run slowly if it continues to run, your computer my become unresponsive." ONLY when admin is turned on...03:52
elninoI looked at the source of the html, and there are no unusal scripts running. It happens to me in IE7, and was about to try in firefox.03:53
elninoany idea what to look at?  03:53
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elninoI do get the error in FF2 as well.03:56
elninoI've also changed the pagelayout to "failsafe" and it still happens, so it appears to be pointing at the "admin on"04:01
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elninowhen you do an asset proxy of an asset, I'm assuming it will be displayed using that asset's template. right?04:43
+perlDreamer"all of a sudden"05:22
elninoyes. unfortunately. "all of a sudden"05:23
+perlDreamerno upgrades?  no operating system changes?  no new folders added?05:23
elninoI wonder if they just added the 256th file to the folder.05:23
+perlDreamereach level will hold 999,999 assets05:25
elninothere are 10 pagination pages of assets in that folder (each being 25) plus 6 on the 11th page. so according to my math that is 256 files.05:25
elninowell, ok. I just thought it was interesting that there were 256.05:25
+perlDreamerand it can be 40 levels deep05:25
elninoI guess that would not be it.05:25
+perlDreamerbesides, you just said that there were no new folders/assets added :)05:25
elninoyou didn't mention "assets"  =)  I just know there are no new folders.   05:26
+perlDreamerah, my bad05:26
+perlDreamerI would check all recently added assets to that folder05:26
+perlDreamervia the asset history, perhaps?05:26
elninoI can do that.. 05:27
+perlDreamerImmediately, without pause or delay?  What you got better stuff to do from what I order you to do?05:27
elninoI'm doing popups.05:28
+perlDreamerAre those like push-ups, or more like popovers?05:28
+perlDreamerspeaking of which, I have to go make breakfast cookies, bbl05:28
elninono, it's the "gray out the background and make a popup window (but not) with an enlarged photo shown in the middle of the screen" type thing.05:29
elninobut popovers sounds really good right now.05:29
elninoThey want me to use <div>s and I hate those. withall the absolute and relative positioning junk.05:29
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+perlDreamerHaarg, partial commit for general purpose add/paste protection almost ready05:53
+perlDreamerI even ran the test suite this time05:53
+perlDreamerwhich, embarrassingly, I should do more often05:53
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elninoperlDreamer,  where is the templateID stored for assets? I don't see it in the ImageAsset table, nor any of the asset* tables.. do I get it from the wobject table?06:10
+perlDreamerImageAsset doesn't have a template?06:12
elninonot according to http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema06:13
elninobut I'll look directly.06:13
+perlDreamerImage is a subclass of File06:14
elninoah.. ok.06:14
+perlDreamerand File is where the templateId is stored06:14
elninoand is there a way to make mysql not so case sensitive? drives me nuts.06:14
+perlDreamertab should do file complete in most places in the client06:14
+perlDreamerbut if you're writing code...06:15
+perlDreamerno such luck06:15
elninoI'm at the mysql prompt in linux.06:16
elninooh well. 06:16
elninohow are the popovers? 06:16
elninoperlDreamer, I've been looking at the image folder. large groups of images have been modified, on following dates: 2/2, 1/29, 12/10, and specifically I looked at templateids, image parameters, extra head tags. To see if anything suspicous appears. and didn't see anything.06:17
+perlDreamerno popovers, I made breakfast cookies06:17
elninowhat are breakfast cookies?06:18
+perlDreamerthey're made with applesauce, oats, whole wheat flour, regular flour, some sugar, cinnamon, ground cloves, oatbran, dried cranberries and raisins06:18
+perlDreameroh, and two eggs and some butter06:19
+perlDreamervery yummy06:20
+perlDreamerand healthy06:20
+perlDreamerjust don't tell deafferret about it06:20
elninoare they like homemade granola bars?06:20
+perlDreamernot really.  They're a cookie for sure, but very light06:20
elninointeresting. can you send me a recipe?06:21
elninocool. I'll have to try those. I love dried cranberries, and I have tons of oatmeal.06:22
+perlDreamerYou're welcome.06:22
+perlDreamerwould you also like our top secret chocolate waffle recipe?06:24
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+perlDreamerIt's on its way.06:29
+perlDreamerI want to try it with some other dried fruits, too, like apricots or pineapple06:29
elninooh.. I can't do chocolate in the morning. Sounds good though.06:29
+perlDreamerWe serve them with strawberries and whipped cream06:29
elninocostco has dried fruits cheap. Do you have costco or sams club where you are at?06:29
+perlDreameryes, Costco06:30
elninotoo rich.06:30
+perlDreamerno Sams Club in Oregon06:30
elninocostco's blueberries are GOOD.06:30
+perlDreamerwell, I also hear you can take two chocolate waffles, and put ice cream in the middle and make your own ice cream sandwiches06:30
+perlDreamernot that I've _ever_ done that.06:30
elninooh. THAT sounds good.06:30
elninoI dont' have a waffle machine. I think the batters are different...06:31
+perlDreamerthey are06:31
elninothat's what I thought. =(06:31
+perlDreamerif we try them in pancake format and it works, I'll give you a holler06:31
+perlDreameris that page with the folders on it accessible to the outside world?06:35
+perlDreamerI'm wondering if that's a windows problem, only06:35
elninowell, It can be. =)06:35
+perlDreamerbecause it's weird that firefox and IE give the same errors06:35
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knowmadhey, pd!06:35
+perlDreamerhow are things on the east coast?06:35
elninoI also know that IE has a setting in the registray for how long to wait. I'll open it up.06:35
knowmadwet and cold!06:36
knowmadbut we need the rain06:36
+perlDreameryeah, we do too06:36
+perlDreamerI think we got a bunch of your snow this year06:36
knowmadare you still in Seattle?06:36
knowmadoh, right06:36
+perlDreamerSeattle is too rainy06:36
knowmadyeah, i agree06:36
knowmadso, i'm working on an sql report against data form (v7.5) and am wondering what to do with all the JSON encoded data...06:37
knowmadi'm leaning towards using YUI to manipulate it but haven't messed with that much yet06:38
knowmadanyone have suggestions?06:38
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9396 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Fix a leaking test.06:39
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9397 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Also leaking a version tag.06:39
elninonot a clue06:40
+perlDreamerI don't know that you'd need to use YUI, straight JS should do the trick06:40
+perlDreamermaybe try wrapping that field in a script tag06:41
+perlDreamerand go from there?06:41
knowmadok, i'll try straight js and see how that goes; i'll follow-up on the discussion list...06:42
elninoperlDreamer, but like I mentioned, it onlyoccurs with "admin on" http://www.comtrol.com/products/images/photoshot06:49
@tavistohey elnino!06:50
@tavistowhat's new?06:50
elninonot much.06:51
elninoI did hear back, my boss was confused, I asked about what, and that is about all that happened. =(06:52
@tavistowell there's lots of stuff going on right now in my neck of the woods.. We have peeps from all over trying to learn about wG06:52
elninothat's GREAT!06:52
@tavistomost def06:52
@tavistoah success story.. yes.. so boss was confused about the success story?06:52
knowmadhey tavisto! it looks like JT's going to have you flying all over the place as well06:52
elninoapparantly. 06:52
@tavistohey knowmad, yeah we're doing 3-4 major gigs again this year06:53
knowmadyeah, it looks like some good venues06:53
@tavistoAd:Tech will be cool, and I'm really excited about EduComm and a Dept of Defense one.. The govie one is the one I want to hit the most06:53
+perlDreameryeah, no problems for me, elnino06:53
@tavistohow's the wG implementer biz going?06:54
@tavistowell elnino, we'd appreciate it if you can wrangle your boss into a quick meeting or something... Anything to allow us to use that success story06:54
knowmadwe're doing fine; we have 3 new sites that have rolled out this year06:54
@tavistoeven if we have to change it so he/she is more comfortable06:54
knowmadwe ought to be sending you our Press Releases06:54
knowmadi'll put a word in to our PR firm to do that06:55
* perlDreamer needs to learn about press releases06:55
@tavistoKnowmad, I'm not sure if you've noticed or not06:55
@tavistobut I added a "WebGUI in the News" page on webgui.org06:55
@tavistothat's going to be a place specifically for that kind of stuff. And specific PR articles about wG06:55
+perlDreamerelnino, I didn't see any pagination, either06:55
knowmadoh, no, i hadn't; that will be great 06:55
elninoperlDreamer, I suppose I can just move them to a file folder with a passthru. just weird.06:55
+perlDreamerall assets on 1 page06:56
@tavistonow that will also go into the partner success page when that program is ready06:56
@tavistoI haven't heard much from the wG partners stuff in awhile06:56
elninothe pagination is when in asset manager. That's how I counted them. =)06:56
+perlDreamerI see06:56
+perlDreamermakes sense06:56
@tavistoin terms of it being rolled out. In the meantime, I want to move all current resellers/providers to a new page called "Affiliates or Providers"06:56
elninoits a default folder template of images with default iamge templates.06:56
@tavistothat way, when people look at success stories, the reseller/affiliates/providers will all be listed in their own category06:57
@tavistoeventually, when the partner program is official then we'll name that page partners of course.06:57
knowmadwe've had some discussion; everyone is so damn busy!06:57
elninoI wonder if the page is getting too "Heavy", and they are only going to get bigger images in there. that's a lot of load. I think.06:57
@tavistoI know, but we need to buckle down and just do it06:57
@tavistohowever, one thing that is a requirement06:57
knowmadwhat's that?06:58
@tavistois success stories. we need to have enough business success stories so that we can take out the resellers and still have several available. Success stories are the HARDEST DANG THINGS TO GET06:58
knowmadthat's why we have a PR company06:58
elninoI will call him.06:58
@tavistoI've invested months of my life trying to wrangle them in... We've even hired a PR company and they're hitting the same obstacles06:58
@tavistoelnino, I'm not yelling at you!06:58
elnino=) I know.06:59
knowmadis it approval or quotes or something else?06:59
@tavisto:) I'm yelling at the 20+ groups we've been grinding on that haven't even gotten as far as the interview for us (or the PR company) to create the stinkin success story06:59
@tavistocurrently, PB has 4 stories waiting for approval06:59
@tavistomaybe 5 actually06:59
knowmadwe just make it up and let them approve or correct ;)07:00
@tavistoUniversity of MN Law, Comtrol, Fund for the Public Interest (which has 80 wG sites), and a government story 07:01
@tavistohah, knowmad I'm tempted to do that.07:01
@tavistoI remember when I first joined PB in July 07, I figured I could wrap that up in 3 months... get like 20 of em07:01
knowmadoof, that hurts to know they're still out07:02
@tavistobut yeah, one of our requirements is to have success stories available in the business category and enough so that we can take out the resellers and move them to their own section. I can't do that until then07:02
@tavistoknowmad, if you (or anyone else in here) has success stories with your clients, Plain Black will post yours as well. And then give credit to you in the success story of course :)07:02
knowmadyou've done that with the Midwest Heart story as well as us07:03
knowmadwe'll see what else we can get your way; the CCAC will prob be a good one07:03
@tavistoThe goal is to highlight that wG is being successfully deployed in a range of organizations. Thus validating the product so that they want to attend a webinar, call a sales guy, or download/evaluate the product.07:03
knowmadhey, we're getting a monthly by-lined article in one of the local newspapers!07:03
@tavistosounds good. Send me whatever comes up07:04
knowmadso we have to come up with material at least once a month -- the column is called "Web Solutions"07:04
knowmadyeah, we'll do that07:04
@tavistoexcellent. Also if you have "WebGUI in the news" stuff, be sure to send it my way as well. We've been needing a section like that forever since the PB news section is good at eating old news stories (and hiding them)07:05
knowmadi think that's a great idea07:05
@tavistowe've got an analyst briefing on Thursday with Forrester. I'm hoping we'll make a good impression and be considered a major player in the OSS ECMS market07:06
knowmadjmarsden is creating lots of potential news with the ubuntu work he's doing07:06
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knowmadman, that would be great!07:06
@tavistoyeah I've been following the dev emails. That's great!07:06
jmarsdenI heard that :)07:06
@tavistojmarsden, we've got friends at Ubuntu as well.07:06
knowmadgood ;)07:06
@tavistoIn my last meeting with them, I was told that they actually had WebGUI as one of the top 5 CMS choices for running Ubuntu.com07:07
knowmadi've been following your threads in stealth mode; really appreciate your work on getting wG into Ubuntu07:07
jmarsdenCool; any friends who are MOTUs?  If they can review my package on REVU that would really help out right now...07:07
knowmadsorry, i'm not that connected with the Ubuntu devs; just an avid fan and user of the distro07:07
jmarsdenOK... I'll keep trying to get a couple of MOTUs interested into to do the review work.07:08
@tavistohehe... well, that's kind of what I was talking to them about. I think these guys are in the business development layer. I also have contact with Matthew Nuzum who's one of their webmasters. I'm on LinkedIn and if you want to hook up with him and chat, he's a cool dude.07:08
@tavistoMaybe he'd have a good referral for you07:08
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CIA-46WebGUI: Prevent Event, WikiPage and Thread from being pasted places where they don't07:08
CIA-46WebGUI: belong. This allows chained method calls to "getMyParent", getParent, getWiki, getCalendar, etc.07:08
CIA-46WebGUI: to work.07:08
CIA-46WebGUI: Adds the new canPaste and validParent method to Asset and AssetClipboard.07:08
jmarsdenSounds good to me.07:09
+perlDreamerif only we could get those fedora slackers going now, we'd have half the Linux world covered07:09
@tavistohaving wG in Debian and Ubuntu would be excellent marketing ammunition as well07:09
@tavistoyep, I still have your email that talks about there only being 12 modules that would need to be repackaged?07:10
knowmadyes! although i'll still use the WRE for our hosting, it's great to have it07:10
jmarsdenLet me get Debian/Ubuntu done first, then I can maybe look at an RPM package... it's been a few years since I did any RPM apckaging though...!07:10
+perlDreamerthe problem is that it's not just WebGUI, it's those other 12 modules07:10
+perlDreamerand their prerequisites that all need packaging, too07:11
jmarsdenPerl modules from CPAN?07:11
jmarsdenOK.  I think there is a helper script for packaging CPAN stuff into RPMs out there...07:11
@tavistoAs WebGUI os fully GPLd I assume that you are looking to 07:13
@tavistoprovide paid support services or similar ?07:13
@tavistoBecause it is GPL'd we can provide access to Ubuntu users through the Partner 07:13
@tavistorepo, but a pre-req for this is that there is a deb available, and that the 07:13
@tavistodeb passes our quality and build standards. We can help with that for a 07:13
jmarsdenRPM::Make and cpan2rpm both show up in a quick Google search...07:13
@tavistoIf you had a MOTU, someone with commit rights to the Ubuntu Universe 07:13
@tavistorepository, then this would enable you to add and maintain with no recourse 07:13
@tavistoto Canonical :-)07:13
@tavistothat was the last email I had with Malcom Yates, he manages the ISV relationships07:13
jmarsdenWell, I'm sort of on my way to becoming a MOTU... in a few months, I hope... :)07:14
@tavistoMalcom probably won't be as much help as Matthew. But I do think he'll be someone that can help you connect with a MOTU faster than coming in off the street07:14
@tavistooooh... well that works too!07:14
jmarsdenI hang out in #ubuntu-motu and help out... and in #ubuntu-server... slowly getting known there by those folks...07:14
@tavistothat'll be worth some karma rewards, a t-shirt, and a news release on pb.com  :)07:14
@tavistowhat is the selection criteria? voted in?07:14
jmarsdenIt's fairly complex, you submit a wiki page decribing the packaging you've done, then an online interview, then a vote by the council, I think it is.07:15
jmarsdenThere are <100 MOTUs total worldwide at the moment...07:16
@tavistovery cool.07:16
jmarsdenSo getting webgui into Ubuntu will actually count towards by hoped-for MOTU-ness07:16
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@tavisto2 birds -- 1 stone07:21
@tavistoin style.07:21
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CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9399 /branch/survey-rfe/root_import_survey.wgpkg: Updated & cleaned YUI includes in Default Survey Edit template10:49
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CIA-46WebGUI: Made first argument to SurveyJSON contructor $session for consistency10:49
CIA-46WebGUI: with rest of wg.10:49
CIA-46WebGUI: Also added Params::Validate validation.10:49
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CIA-46WebGUI: Refactored ResponseJSON and SurveyJSON10:50
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CIA-46WebGUI: consistency10:50
CIA-46WebGUI: Added new ->session accessor10:50
CIA-46WebGUI: Updates tests10:50
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9403 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): 10:50
CIA-46WebGUI: Refactored SurveyJSON for perlcritic compliance.10:50
CIA-46WebGUI: Simplified some code, refactored out some C-isms.10:50
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9404 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Updated Survey.pm to use the new SurveyJSON contructor params10:50
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CIA-46WebGUI: Moved ResponseJSON data hash to private variable, for security and10:50
CIA-46WebGUI: consistency with SurveyJSON10:50
CIA-46WebGUI: Added some more accessors/mutators, and param validation10:50
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+BartJolplainhao: I must say, that your day-night rhytm is quiet peculiar14:31
* plainhao smiles at bart.14:31
+BartJolbut thanks for the input on my bug14:32
@plainhaono problem, i'd test it out myself, but i'm currently booked on a client right now.14:32
* plainhao still needs to figure out how to run multiple versions of wre and wg at the same time...14:33
+BartJolof the wre, that might be interesting14:33
+BartJolI'm just glad that I got my translation server running on a different version from my installation14:34
+BartJolbut different roots should do the trick for you14:34
@plainhaoyes, indeed14:34
+BartJolhopefully there's a global root setting14:34
* plainhao hopes to figure it out one day soon.14:35
+BartJolwell, that is quite unnessasary for me14:35
+BartJolbut a nice experiment\14:35
@plainhaoquite necessary for me, actually, since clients often run older versions, and i'd need to test fixes in different versions.14:36
* plainhao is surprised no one has come up with instructions already.14:36
+BartJoljust make them upgrade14:36
+BartJolthat second amendment isn't for Jan with the short familyname14:37
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+BartJoljust threaten, the US have become big by threatening, why stop now?14:39
ryuu_ro@BartJol great dutchism :)14:39
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daviddelikatHaarg: : do you know what specific version of WebGUI is running on the WebGUI site?15:47
+BartJollatest stable15:47
+BartJolbeta I mean15:47
daviddelikatso that would be 7.6?15:47
daviddelikatthe absolute latest?15:47
ryuu_royou can check the page source15:48
+BartJolwell, not nightly build15:48
+BartJolor page info15:48
ryuu_ro<meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.6.10" />15:48
+BartJolit says what I say15:48
daviddelikatok thanks15:48
+BartJoland it's kinda PB's policy to run latest beta15:48
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daviddelikattavisto: do you know if there is anything different about your uid on WebGUI?17:07
daviddelikati'm workign on 17:07
daviddelikathttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and it seems that ounly ~you~ are targetted by this unique behaviour.17:07
@tavistohmmm, well nothing is different as far as I know17:08
daviddelikatare you able to see trhe pictures?17:09
@tavistoI'll check and see17:09
chupacabrawebgui took over mysql and my other sites couldn't get to it.17:09
SDuensinGreetings, all.17:09
@tavistoI can see the thumbnail, but I am also redirected to a blank screen when I click on it17:10
daviddelikatok thats the same behaviour I'm getting.17:10
daviddelikatdo you use any odd settings in your pictures or albums?17:11
daviddelikatthat is anything besides default settings17:11
@tavistowell I checked the album and don't see any crazy settings17:15
daviddelikatok thanks17:16
@tavistoI have a feeling this was probably caused by some sort of beta bug back around the time I posted it. I can even see the larger version by clicking on slideshow17:16
daviddelikatthere are five pictures that you posted tho, and they all do the same thing17:17
daviddelikatsorrry, four pictures17:17
daviddelikatoh, I guess they were all posted the same day...17:18
daviddelikatwould you mind postinga picture today and see if it does the same?17:18
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@tavistosure, what albums would you like me to do that in17:20
daviddelikatone of the two albums you alreadyt have is fine17:21
daviddelikathow can i get gallary advanced search to give me anything on a date?17:22
daviddelikatdoes it use wildcards in the text fields?17:22
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daviddelikatdates do not work in album search17:30
daviddelikatit says they were all created 12/31/6917:30
@tavistohmm.. yeah, not sure about that one17:30
daviddelikathows that picture posting?17:32
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@tavistohey daviddelikat, just posted a test pic under license plate club album18:04
@tavistosorry, have about a million things going on atm18:05
daviddelikatno problem, thanks for your time.18:05
@Haargdaviddelikat, it18:05
@Haarg's not a problem with things posted by tavis, it's a problem with images with keywords18:05
@Haarggallery used the 'keywords' template variable previously as an arrayref18:06
@Haargwithout initializing it18:06
@Haargthe change to asset->get to add keywords means that now is broken18:06
daviddelikatso if I add a keyword to an image it should break it...18:07
@tavisto*tavisto watches as Grahams words fly right over his head*18:08
@Haargjust having it initialize as an arrayref before using it is probably the best solution18:08
* daviddelikat is testing18:08
daviddelikatyup, that did it.18:09
@Haarglib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 78118:09
daviddelikatI'll work on impl that fix you mentioned...18:09
+BartJoltavisto, it isn't actually magic you know!18:09
daviddelikatoh come on it's magic18:09
@tavistoey' BartJol, how are you... you big girly man!18:10
+BartJolme, girly, oh well, at leat I'm not metrosexual18:10
@tavistoMetro Man and Girl Man18:10
+BartJolexcept my cold, I am fine18:10
@tavistoGirly Man18:10
@tavistoI have one too.. it stinks18:10
+BartJollooking forward to my new house and your visit18:10
+BartJoland your beer drinking course18:11
+BartJolsince you suck at that, during the WUC you'll be able to say "I drink beer like a Dutchie!"18:11
+BartJolall in a fortnight18:12
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+BartJolbut since when am I baptised "Girly man"?18:12
+BartJoltavisto? I know you're busy, but don't just insult me and run away, we never run when we insult you18:14
+BartJolit is way too much fun to see you fed up with being called metro18:15
Lisettewebgui support web services?18:16
+BartJoloh and Koen is a father!18:16
@tavistoBartJol, you have always been the big dutch girly man. This is not something new?18:16
+BartJolLisette: there WAS a webservices client wobject18:16
@tavistoThat's cool about Koen!!! Woohoo18:16
+BartJoloh,ok hten18:16
+BartJolit's a girl and she is called Emma18:17
+BartJolI believe she can't program perl yet18:17
@tavistoAh good, not sure there's enough room in the world for 2 Koen18:17
Lisettewhere i found?18:17
+BartJolcertainly not18:17
+BartJolwell Lisette I was talking past time, so probably it's hard to find18:18
+BartJolIt was in the menu with the new content stuff18:19
+BartJolLisette, in the changlog I see that Thingy should be able to behave like a Web Service18:21
+BartJolbut I don't know how it works18:21
+BartJolor whether it is the same18:22
+BartJolhave to go, adieu!18:26
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daviddelikatHaarg: so I noticed when I was digging into the gallary bug that picture dates on the advenced search page are all the same and also the date search does not work.18:36
daviddelikata) should I generate a bug report for this? b) shoud I go ahead and work on it?18:37
@Haargboth sound good to me18:37
daviddelikatbtw the keyword fix worked nicely...18:38
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm going to fix up the AssetExport test today, then finish the Survey help.  If you want me to look at a bug instead, please give me a holler18:59
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+perlDreamerusing bash, how do I redirect stderr and stdout from 1 command into a file?19:04
daviddelikatls > file 2>&1 # I think this works in bash19:04
+perlDreamerI tried this: perl someTest 2>&1 > file19:05
+perlDreamerand I still get stderr in the terminal19:05
+perlDreamerI'll reorder and try again19:05
daviddelikatyou have to put '1>file' first because 2>&1 is just an assignment19:05
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daviddelikatkind of like saying stderr = stdout  then stdout = filedes(somefile)19:07
+perlDreamerthanks, daviddelikat!  that works.19:07
CIA-46WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9406 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change19:11
CIA-46WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9407 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change19:11
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+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, we're not making any more changes to 7.519:52
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daviddelikatI didn't getthat memo19:55
+perlDreamernot a problem, just save you some backporting in the future19:58
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deafferretlazyweb/win 2220:07
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topsubWhen i am calling $session->datetime->epochToHuman when i send it a $date_format can i send a comman to it to seperate it?21:41
topsubi can't seem to get a comman to insert to separate the output.. So instead of Feb 02 2009 i can get Feb 02, 200921:42
_elnino_did you try to escape it with a slash?21:43
_elnino_I don't think youshould have to though.21:43
topsubah. i didn't think i would have to escape it.. Let me try that21:43
_elnino_make sure to surround the format with quotes of some sort.21:43
topsub$date_format = '%c %D\, %y';. should i use double?21:44
_elnino_no, that should be fine, just as long as it's surrounded, and it proably would have yelled at you if you didn't. And I'mreally surprised if you have to escape a comma, but maybe it'll work..21:45
topsubarg. i got it, i was doing it in the wrong place21:46
topsubThis macro has been refactor'd so many times... thanks _elnino21:46
_elnino_no problem. I don't think I helped any. =)21:47
topsubeh you did input which is enough for me21:47
topsubto confirm i can use a comman21:47
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wgGuest15how is everyone22:22
wgGuest15anyone there?22:23
@bpmedleywhat's up?22:23
+perlDreamerwgGuest, are you having keyboard problems?22:24
_elnino_hello wgGuest15?22:28
+perlDreamerbake any cookies yet, _elnino_?22:33
_elnino_I was thinking about it, I was telling tavisto, I ahve all the time in the world now too. economy hit me today.22:34
+perlDreameroh no!22:34
+perlDreamerI'm so sorry, _elnino_.22:35
_elnino_That's alright. Now I can finish off some projects at home before #2. and webgui has my full attention.22:36
* perlDreamer prepares for a blast of bugs22:36
+perlDreamerIs your husband still working?22:42
_elnino_as far as I know =)  he's got two, he's in the guard and works for a school district. School district is in the middle of a 7 million cut. His boss says that he's there to stay. 22:44
_elnino_my company laid off 25% of personell. ouch.22:44
+perlDreamer25%?  That's huge!22:44
_elnino_we *were* a 60 person company.. list was crazy, they got rid of meat instead of fat. Our best sales guy, best of  marketing, 2/3 of IT and 1/2 software enginering. managmeent, hw enginnering and blood relative and friends stayed.22:46
+perlDreamersounds pretty sycophantic22:46
_elnino_it's a private company, things like that happens. You get used to it.22:49
_elnino_I think wgGuest15's cat just laid down on his keyboard.22:49
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* deafferret is not an op :(22:51
_elnino_define op22:52
deafferret/mode +o deafferret22:52
+perlDreamerSomeone with a star next to their name, short for channel operator22:52
deafferret/kick wgGuest15 22:52
+perlDreamerthey have to power to kick people out of the channel, ban people, change status of people22:52
+perlDreamerkind of like IRC sysadmins22:52
+perlDreamerHaarg, AssetExportHtml and i18n/help are passing, moving on to hardcoded extras, and then probably to dotted assetIds22:53
+perlDreamertime to learn about wgdev :)22:53
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9409 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: 22:58
CIA-46WebGUI: Remove tests for file content that do not work because files stream.22:58
CIA-46WebGUI: Update error message in test to match how the code works.22:58
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Survey.pm: Remove old help for the survey that is broken, and not used anymore.22:58
+perlDreamerHaarg, when I run wgd edit templateUrl, it tells me that there are no assets to edit and dies23:18
@Haargis there a specific template you are trying?23:18
+perlDreamerthe thing is that it's checking against @_, which is empty for that sub23:19
@Haargyeah, should be $self->arguments23:19
+perlDreamerand the check moved up before it accesses $self->argument?23:19
@Haargit should be @files in there23:21
@Haargin the check that is23:21
+perlDreameryou want a patch for that?23:22
@Haargnah, i've got it23:23
+perlDreamerI feel like I walked into Home Depot for WebGUI23:23
+perlDreamerwgd is so flexible and powerful23:23
@Haargi rather like it :)23:23
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+perlDreamertitle and meta tags go _inside_ the head block, right?23:27
+perlDreamersomething in the template parser is making YAML puke23:33
+perlDreamerit's not adding a newline to the end of the YAML section23:34
+perlDreamerin the serializer23:34
@Haargit doesn't puke for me23:35
+perlDreamermaybe I'm having YAML problems23:36
@Haargit could be the yaml version yeah23:36
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+perlDreamerI have YAML.pm, 0.6623:36
SynQI bring good news23:36
+perlDreamerWebgUI is in Ubuntu?23:37
@Haargtry installing YAML::XS23:37
SynQI have a daughter named Emma!23:37
+perlDreamerSince WGDev tries to be YAML agnostic, how about a check and conditional newline append?23:37
+perlDreamerCongratulations, SynQ23:37
@Haargcongrats SynQ23:37
* SynQ very very proud23:38
SynQno pictures yet23:38
+perlDreamerTessa come through okay?23:38
SynQhaven't had any time yet23:38
SynQTessa is fine23:38
+perlDreamerhow is Koen doing?23:38
@Haargyeah, i'm going to double check to make sure it works with all the yaml modules it tries to use23:38
SynQbit tired of course23:38
SynQbut so am I (tired)23:38
+perlDreamerjust remember, they smile and giggle when you undo the diaper because they are going to try and crap all over you23:39
SynQthis was the first chance I got to touch my computer23:39
+perlDreamerwhen was she born?23:40
SynQperlDreamer: I know23:40
SynQyesterday five to three23:40
SynQso 32 hours ago23:40
+perlDreamerawesome, SynQ.23:41
SynQI'll have pictures on line by the weekend I think23:41
SynQshe has her own domain name23:41
SynQit will be a webgui site of course23:41
SynQthe best platform to build a site about and for your offspring :)23:42
SynQI'm gonna take a Emma with Gooey picture every week23:44
SynQand e-mail the url to JT :P23:44
SynQgotta run23:45
+perlDreamersee you!23:45
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@HaargperlDreamer, can you try installing YAML::XS until i can fix it properly?23:46
+perlDreameri think so23:46
* perlDreamer breaks out yum FTW23:47
@Haargit will be nice when the next rev of YAML comes out23:47
@Haargit's going to work like JSON does, using the XS version if possible, and falling back on the perl version23:47
+perlDreamernice.  So I gotta ask, why did you choose YAML over JSON?23:48
@Haargprettier :)23:48
@Haargsince the idea was for it to be human edittable i wanted something more readable23:49
@Haargi'm still not certain if i want to change the whole serialized format23:49
+perlDreamerIt's not bad, quite readable23:49
@Haargi'd like if we could have something universal though23:50
@Haargfor wgfs and such as well23:50
topsubHow can i edit email template that are sent to a user when they buy something? i can't seem to find it23:51
+perlDreamerthat's the email confirmation in the ITransact plugin23:52
+perlDreamerso Admin -> Shop -> Pay Drivers23:52
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+perlDreamerlooks like I need to write a bad gateway macro test, too00:01
+perlDreamerseeing lots of ^/;assetUrl00:02
jlittlewoodhi folks. I'm trying to figure something out with users/groups and ldap00:02
jlittlewoodnot a technical issue really, but a, well, issue of how to best make something happen00:03
jlittlewoodwe've got it set up so that the login is thru ldap, and only people in ldap can login00:03
jlittlewoodbut we want them to get automatically entered into a specific webGUI group00:03
jlittlewoodand we don't want to change our ldap set up00:03
jlittlewoodso I used the ^GroupAdd(); macro to put a little link on the login page00:04
jlittlewoodbut it's a little unseemingly there00:04
jlittlewoodanyway to get webgui to add someone to a group as soon as they log in, no other steps necessary?00:04
+perlDreamerDo you mean login, or register?00:05
jlittlewoodthey are already in ldap00:05
jlittlewoodor am I missing your question?00:05
jlittlewoodthis is a staff-only page00:05
+perlDreamerwell, people will login several times per week, so it would keep adding them to your group00:05
+perlDreamerI guess that's not bad00:05
jlittlewoodbut they'd already be in there, right?00:06
+perlDreamerIn the WebGUI config file, there is an entry for runOnLogin.  I think it will do what you want.00:07
jlittlewoodwhat can I make it do?00:07
+perlDreamerit will run a script when the user logs in00:07
_elnino_OOH I just read about this in the admin book.. There is something in settings that will auto register ldap employees....00:07
_elnino_want me to go find it?00:08
@Haargmacros are processed in the runOnLogin command00:08
+perlDreamerNo just tease him a little more so he goes out and buys a book ;)00:08
jlittlewoodI have it00:08
jlittlewoodI didn't think to look in the config00:08
_elnino_It's a *NICE* feature!00:08
@Haargso that's how you can pass the username/uid/anything else to the script00:08
_elnino_there's two radio buttons, enable both, and you'll get what you want I believe.00:09
@Haarghe already has that i believe00:09
jlittlewoodyeah, this is the next step to make it seemless00:09
@Haargi'm not sure i understand the problem though00:09
@Haargif only ldap users can log in00:09
jlittlewoodbut on the site00:10
@Haargand you want them all to be in a group00:10
jlittlewoodthere will be a mix of "everyone" accessable pages00:10
jlittlewoodand "staff" accessible pages00:10
@Haarghow would that be different from the registered users group?00:10
_elnino_you can build groups based off of ldap groups.00:10
jlittlewoodif we allow posts on blogs, etc00:10
jlittlewoodwouldn't they also be registered users?00:10
@Haargwell, you can allow visitors to post to blogs00:11
_elnino_anyone/everyone who logs in, is is considered a registered user.00:11
@Haargbut you said only ldap users could log in00:11
jlittlewoodno, you are right00:11
_elnino_everyone is "public" and "registered user"00:11
_elnino_I'll restate that differently: the "everyone" group includes  "public" and "registered users"00:12
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jlittlewoodword, that might be just the ticket00:12
jlittlewoodyou people rock my world sometimes00:12
+perlDreamerHaarg, hardcoded extras are all fixed, while I'm in this mode, I'm going to make a test for bad gateway macros next.00:18
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9411 /WebGUI/t/hardcodedExtras.t: Make test pass when there are no failures. Yes, it does seem strange.00:25
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9412 /WebGUI/docs/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Fix hardcoded extras URLs in templates and in extra head tags in assets.00:25
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+perlDreamerwe already have a test for the gateway macros, but it was looking for them in the headBlock :/00:30
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+perlDreamerfixed the test, and upgraded 4 more templates00:30
+perlDreamertime to look at dotted assetIds00:30
+perlDreamerit seems like we should have a check someplace for valid assetIds when they are passed in to be created.00:31
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+perlDreamerHaarg: I'm thinking of just using copy/paste to fix the assetIds.  Copy, paste, then delete the original.00:43
+perlDreamerhowever, doing that will lose the version history and asset history00:43
+perlDreamerany concerns with that?00:43
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@Haarglet me check one thing00:43
@Haargis there a reason you want to avoid using sql directly?00:45
@Haargit's not very pretty00:45
@Haargbut you'll have to update anything using the templates as well00:45
+perlDreameryeah, that has to be done in any case00:46
+perlDreamerI was thinking laziness00:46
+perlDreamercopy/paste will update all asset tables for me00:46
@Haargwell, upgrade_7.6.0-7.6.1.pl fixShortAssetIds uses sql directly00:47
@Haargalthough i missed assetHistory00:47
+perlDreamerand believe it or not, there are no templates with dotted assetIds00:48
+perlDreamerjust Snippets (referenced by url)00:48
+perlDreamerwhich means that copy/paste will break tht00:48
+perlDreamerI'll use SQL00:48
+perlDreamerthere are only 4 types of assets that need to be fixed00:48
+perlDreamerNavigation, Folder, Snippet and Image00:48
+perlDreamerso just a handful of tables00:49
@Haargfolder will be tricky00:49
@Haargwell, not tricky00:49
@Haargbut you'll have to hit parentId in asset as well00:49
@Haarglineage shouldn't need to be rebuilt though00:50
+perlDreamerno, that should be fine00:50
+perlDreamerwe could break AssetProxy's though, since you can optionally specify an assetId for that00:51
+perlDreamerI don't think anything in the core does that, though00:52
@Haargthat's a new feature as well, so i'm not too worried00:52
@Haargand i doubt you'd be assetproxying any of that stuff00:52
+perlDreamermaybe the navigations, but not the folder, Images or snippets00:53
+perlDreamerwell, maybe the snippets00:53
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9413 /WebGUI/t/templateChecker.t: 00:55
CIA-46WebGUI: Update the templateChecker test to look at extra head tags instead of the defunct00:55
CIA-46WebGUI: headBlock. Add URL to the output to make working with wgd easy.00:55
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9414 /WebGUI/docs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fix broken gateway macros. ^/;file does not work with prevent proxy cache.00:55
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+perlDreamerpatspam, There are more De Jonge's in the world today :)00:57
+perlDreamerKoen has a new baby daughter, Emma00:58
_elnino_does synq=koen?01:00
patspamah fantastic!01:01
+perlDreamerHe was the tall, skinny fellow from The Netherlands01:01
patspamshe kept him waiting a while :)01:01
+perlDreamerwas she late?01:01
patspamyeah I think she was expected last week01:01
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+perlDreamerthat's not bad01:02
+perlDreamerthey have a variance of +/- 2 weeks easily01:02
+perlDreamerI'm learning far more than I ever expected, since Kathy is trying to go to midwife school.01:03
patspamawesome, such an important job01:04
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metanilwhat makes WebGUI better than other popular CMS like Drupal, Joomla??  ( I came up with only one answer.. i.e. i like perl.. but are there any other reasons?)01:18
deafferretmetanil: you don't like Python?  ;)01:20
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deafferretmetanil: (Hi! I'm Jay Hannah)01:20
metanilhey jay.. whats up?01:21
deafferretJust working and waiting for perlDreamer to excercise01:21
metanil(see i sometime come up with weird question in this room). ;)01:21
* perlDreamer already snuck out, deafferret!01:21
deafferret"jhannah" was already registered to some bone-head (probably me years ago), and I couldn't convince NickServ to hand it to me01:22
+perlDreamerso how did you come up with "deafferret" as a nick?01:22
deafferretI had a deaf ferret in college.01:22
metanilcool! 01:22
deafferrethe was hard to scare when sleeping  :)01:23
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+perlDreamertavisto, what makes WebGUI better than the PHP set of CMSes? (Drupal, Joomla, etc.)01:24
@tavisto*tavisto punches perlDreamer in the head for asking a dumb question*01:24
* perlDreamer is just a dumb perl hacker who has never looked at the others01:24
+perlDreamerback in 2001, if one used PHP one was asking for hackage01:25
metanilsame here.01:25
@tavistoperlDreamer, I can't say that WebGUI is better than php CMSes solely because of the language01:25
metanilperlDreamer: just forward that punch to me sent by tavisto01:25
@tavistoI'll let you developers argue about that01:26
deafferretDrupal doesn't hand out purple octopii at Yet Another Perl Conferences...01:26
@tavistoOne big difference that I can tell you about is the core software functionality01:26
@tavistoJoomla and Drupal use a minimal core package and then require you to install lots of 3rd party goodies01:27
metanilyeah i have that purple octopus in my desk.01:27
deafferret*in*?? Gooey can't breathe! He must be displayed proudly *on* your desk!01:27
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@tavistothese third party goodies (aka plug-ins o' death) are a major pain to keep updated, and often times do not necessarily come from certified sources01:28
metanilin => on01:28
@tavistoand, if the maintainer decides to stop upgrading the wiki module, and you upgrade your core, well... you may or may not have a working wiki01:28
metanilactually ON my speaker01:28
metaniltavisto: true.01:29
@tavistoWebGUI includes all of the applications in the core software, therefore upgrades are easy and do not require you to manage 30 plugins each time you do it01:29
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@tavistoother differences... I'm told Joomla and Drupal api's and such is much more chaotic because of the huge # of devs working on just about everything01:30
@tavistobut again I only soak up stuff I hear from WebGUI peeps. So maybe that's untrue and/or biased. :)01:30
metanilseems like true to me.. 01:31
metanil(may be because i am already get used to webgui)01:31
@tavistoDrupal now has a commercially supported version of their product now. It's serviced through that {Aquios) company or whatever it is01:32
@tavistoHowever, a good portion of the PHP community CMSes out there don't have a centralized company behind them. If something is only community based, it's not going to cut it in the enterprise (where you need guaranteed service levels)01:32
+Radix-wrkOne advantage all of those php ones have is ease of installation - you can pick prettymuch any hosting account and install them.  That's probably one of the biggest issues with WebGUI when it comes to convincing people to go with it.01:33
+Radix-wrkI love webgui, but that one is what is preventing it from hitting mainstream imho01:34
+perlDreamerRadix-wrk, in that case, it's not just WebGUI, it would be any modperl app.01:34
+Radix-wrkuntil it's available via cpanel or plesk or whatever else is used by hosting accounts, it's going to get limited use in comparison01:35
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* perlDreamer puts on the Pointer Sisters record -> I'm just spinning doing the Patspam dance01:44
+perlDreamerHaarg, dotted assetIds fixed01:44
+perlDreamerwhere next?01:44
@Haargi don't know, i'm working on improving the upgrade script atm01:45
patspamheh sorry, Helen turned on my laptop which started competiting with me for my irc login01:45
deafferretpatspam death match!01:45
patspamhelen = my partner01:46
@preaction_like, tag-team partner? are you a wrestler?01:49
+perlDreamerHaarg, I'll try the Survey gateway problem next.01:50
+perlDreamerWe're running out of core bugs to work on01:50
patspamheh, i have cycling bib-knicks that look like the greco-roman wrestling costume01:55
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity02:00
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@HaargperlDreamer, you have any luck with that survey issue?02:28
+perlDreamerI have determined that the problem is in javascript02:29
+perlDreamerand I just turned on firebug to test it02:29
patspamperlDreamer: i might be able to help with that02:29
patspamwill be back in 30mins if you're still working on it02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9416 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl): 02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: Fix dotted assetIds in the database for the WebGUI 7 Style snippets, navigations,02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: folder and Image assets.02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9417 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): fixed #9623: preload.custom paths not included during upgrade02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revert last two commits, no more development of WebGUI 7.502:30
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9419 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): 02:30
+perlDreamerit's the administersurvery javascript, and administersurvey/comm.js02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: Refactored createSurveyOrder in ResponseJSON02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: Added lastSectionIndex, lastQuestionIndex, lastAswerIndex convenience02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: methods to SurveyJSON to simplify iterations over Sections, Questions02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: and Answers02:30
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9420 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Improved createSurveyOrder documentation, and made perlcritic happy02:30
patspamfrom memory survey used to write out the gateway url to a js variable on the page02:30
patspamit was pretty hacky. not sure if your bug is related to that02:31
+perlDreamerin this case, the gateway is ignored completely02:31
+perlDreamerwhen submitting data from a page in the survey02:32
patspamyep, i think the js gateway variable isn't being used atm02:32
patspammaybe put that hack back in, and then I'll replace it with a clean solution when i get to the Javascript in my survey refactoring (halfway through the perl code atm)02:32
+perlDreamerhow do I setup a WebGUI server with a non-slash gateway URL?02:41
@preaction_edit the gatewayUrl in the config file, and put the webgui modperl directives in a <Location /gatewayUrl> block02:49
+perlDreamerwould you believe that all the old URLs still work?02:50
+perlDreamernow I can go to /site_map, or gate/site_map and both work02:51
@Haargnot really a suprize02:51
@preaction_did you remove the webgui modperl directives from outside that location block? if not, then yes02:51
@preaction_in fact, i think gatewayUrl is really only used to create URLs with, webgui doesn't do any checking using it (it tries to remove it if it's there, but if it's not it doesn't care)02:52
@Haargyou could always blacklist urls using a rewrite rule since you only need this for testing02:53
@Haargwe're currently at 2 pages + 1 bug02:53
@Haargand one of those bugs is something i'll fix as part of the release process02:53
+perlDreamerhow many of those are core bugs, and how many are bazaar, bugboard, webgui.org bugs?02:54
+perlDreameroh, and two translation bugs02:54
+perlDreamerone of which I think we fixed by moving D::Dumper to using pureperl02:54
+perlDreamerbut needs to be tested02:54
@preaction_once stuff settles down on my current project, i'll be hammering out helpdesk bugs and rfes, that thing has officially pissed me off for the last time02:54
@preaction_it is destroying me and my programmers' efficiency02:55
@preaction_also, if i were to create some webgui API quick-reference pages, which one would you two like first?02:56
@preaction_i'm thinking that building forms would be the best, or users and groups02:56
@Haargi count around 20 core bugs02:56
@Haargis this for anything in particular?02:57
+perlDreamerI had been thinking there were only about 802:58
+perlDreamerbut obviously I miscounted badly02:58
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@preaction_another one could be "Content" (content and URL handlers + the Asset API)02:58
@preaction_i mean, how often have we looked at the API as a whole and seen what's really there?02:59
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+perlDreameryou don't write tests very often, do you? :)02:59
@Haargnot long ago i wrote a quick overview of the package and api03:00
@preaction_heh, i don't work on core very often, but even then we're only looking at part of the whole03:00
@Haargmainly going over the various parts of the api, nothing about how to use each part03:00
@preaction_my two ideas are: quick-ref sheets and a "WebGUI Module Map" detailing what parts are there, which are API and which are plugins03:01
@Haargi have to do something like that for the wuc03:01
@preaction_which one?03:01
@Haargwebgui api overview03:02
@preaction_i want to do the map first, so we can pool our efforts03:02
@Haargi just emailed you the thing i wrote up, may or may not be relevant to what you are talking about03:02
@preaction_yes, that is very relevant03:03
@preaction_in fact, what i want is just an expanded version of this. getting people introduced to WebGUI and where to look for things and (for me) a quick reminder of things so i don't have to read teh code all the time03:04
* perlDreamer is looking forward to some API consistency in wG 803:05
+perlDreamernew, create, getId everywhere03:05
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@HaargperlDreamer, can you think of a good reason for wgdev to not convert all the line endings of text fields to unix style?03:19
+perlDreamertext fields?  like in templates?03:20
@Haargeverything it sticks into text blocks03:20
@Haargwhich is anything using HTMLArea, Textarea, or Codearea03:20
+perlDreamerI don't know what the designers use for editing templates.  Would it mess them up?03:20
@Haargthey use WebGUI at this point03:20
+perlDreamerI don't see any reason not to change them03:21
+perlDreamereven if we were to have wgfs someday, we could do newline translation in the fs layer03:29
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+perlDreamerdinner break03:31
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+perlDreamerI did it!04:23
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CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9421 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 04:30
CIA-46WebGUI: Replaced ResponseJSON's implementation of shuffle with List::Util's04:30
CIA-46WebGUI: shuffle and updated Colin's ninja shuffle tests04:30
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9422 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the exitURL redirection when a survey is completed and the site uses a gateway url.04:30
+perlDreamerpatspam, you might want to pull in 9422 into the survey-rfe branch04:32
+perlDreamerI actually figured it out, which was easy since it was a problem in the perl and not the JS.04:38
daviddelikatwhere can i look to find database table definitions?04:38
+perlDreamerthe hard way that always works: docs/create.sql04:41
+perlDreamerI thought that somebody made a schema page on webgui.org04:41
+perlDreamermaybe the wiki?04:41
daviddelikatthat is exactly what i was hoping for04:42
daviddelikatI don't see anything usefull so far in the wiki...04:42
@preaction_there's a db-schema page somewhere on the site04:42
@preaction_i think the wiki has a link04:42
daviddelikati did find it, but I think the sql files may be easier to search...04:43
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@tavistowow, I've been wondering about the DB schema thing for so long05:49
@tavistopeople have asked me that in the past and I've never known the answer to it05:49
+perlDreamerHaarg: re the untitled bug, I found this: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic72095.html06:00
+perlDreamerit sounds like purely a client issue with windows06:01
+perlDreamerwe can't do much about it06:01
+perlDreamerI'd like to post some URLs for help, then close it out.06:01
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+perlDreamerI did close that bug, and am now working on the advanced search07:06
+perlDreamerit's missing code for the date search07:06
+perlDreamerI'll finish it up tomorrow.07:07
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+BartJolhi binyamin13:44
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+BartJolmmm, I'm not able to remove stuff from my site15:05
+BartJolcan't call method"setScratch" on a undefined vale at .../AseetTrash.pm line 25615:06
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topsub2003In a collaboration system. what table in the database stores who can post, post a thread, and edit the asset? so far haven't found it in the database16:04
+BartJolisn't that in the assetData table:16:07
topsub2003i see who can edit, but not who can post to a thread in assetData16:07
topsub2003seems there is another table i am missing. looking atm trying to find it16:08
+BartJolI don't see a canEdit method in the API...16:13
+BartJoltopsub2003: there is a postGroupId in the collaboration table16:15
topsub2003hmm Does that handle who can post threads and such?16:16
+BartJolyes that table handles that16:16
topsub2003ah wait.. there is a canStartThreadGroupId16:16
+BartJolthere is also a group .... indeed!16:16
+BartJolthat one16:17
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topsubanyone know were the email template for when you bought something is stored?17:04
topsubin that email we are getting "You were sent a message from Visitor." and not sure why and wondering if its in the email template17:04
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+BartJoltopsub: I see some templates in root> Import node > Shop17:14
topsuboh, i guess i was trying to find it via admin console >> shop17:16
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+BartJoltopsub: but you did find it now?17:18
+BartJolwell, the messages are in the payment plugin settings17:18
topsubah, so it might be in the paydriver were that message is coming from17:21
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topsubthanks bartJol!17:25
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+BartJolno problem!17:27
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+perlDreamermorning, folks!18:15
+BartJolmorning, already knew that Koen is a father perlDreamer?18:15
+perlDreamerYes, he came into channel yesterday to tell us about Emma18:16
+perlDreamerwe've been spreading the word18:16
+perlDreamerBartJol: Have you bought your house yet?18:16
+BartJolstill in the process, will take a month or two18:17
+BartJolit's starting to get annoying18:18
+perlDreamerwhat's the holdup?18:18
+BartJolwell, before a contract could be signed, wherein I promise to buy took very long (1.5 month)18:19
+BartJoland now I get money from the government, but before they approve my request will also take 1.5 months18:20
+BartJolbut maybe quicker, if I'm lucky18:20
+perlDreamerThe government buys your house for you?18:20
+perlDreamerdo you have to pay them back for it?18:21
+BartJolyou can get money, if you're 18+, don't have a lot of money and are burying your first house (which can't be too expensive)18:21
+BartJolit's a great rule18:22
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jlittlewoodhey all -- within webgui, is there any way to dynamically add users to a group based off a regular expression or something?18:34
jlittlewoodlike "all registered users with @blarg.org in their username will become part of the Blarg.org group"18:35
@preaction_jlittlewood: look in the group edit screen, there's a way to detect users in a group based on an SQL query18:35
jlittlewoodcool, will do18:36
+BartJolbut do you have to do that again and again? well, than you can make a workflow18:36
+perlDreamerBartJol, the group definition is dynamic18:36
@preaction_BartJol: the sql query is re-run periodically (cache timeout)18:36
@preaction_that's why it's just "detect" users, it's not "add" users. you can still assign specific users to that group18:37
+perlDreamerHaarg, could I send you a patch for adding an --assetid option to wgdev edit?  I don't always know the URL to an asset.18:37
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@HaargperlDreamer, if you want commit access to the repo at any point just let me know18:43
+perlDreamerthanks, Haarg.  I'd like to practice messing up my own git repo before I start messing up anyone else's though :D  I'm not fully git compliant yet.18:44
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CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9423 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm): Fix broken subfolder synopsis template variable in the Folder.19:08
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9424 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Dates in the galley advanced search were ignored.19:08
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm stuck on bug fixing.19:55
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: got any interesting bugs?  20:17
+perlDreamerthe IE6 transaction manager bug looks interesting, but I don't have a copy of IE6 to test with20:18
+perlDreamerI'm wondering if the assetManager is broken, too, since they both use the DataTable20:18
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: heh, you need qemu and a XP image.20:19
+perlDreamerI have a copy of VirtualBox.20:19
+perlDreamerthen it's just the XP.20:19
+perlDreamerI wonder what it costs down the road...20:20
+perlmonkey2yeah, which I think MS has started charging "one million dollars!!" for, in an effort to discourage not using their latest crapware.20:20
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I don't see an IE bug listed.20:25
+perlmonkey2ah, 961120:26
+perlDreameris IE6 also in SP3, or do I need something older than that?20:27
* perlDreamer heads to the other office and sign some refinance papers, bbiaw20:33
+perlDreamerdeafferret, no exercise involved, you're clear20:33
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+perlmonkey2hmm, anyone ran 7.6.11's testEnvironment?  It seems to have a major memory leak at the end of it.  At least on 64 bit Fedora.20:38
+perlmonkey2Using the 8.5 wre20:39
+perlmonkey2hmm, weird, the run up in memory happens after the very last execution in the app.20:40
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bernd__Haarg, the character encoding problem still persists!21:13
@Haargyou are using the latest translationserver.cgi?21:14
bernd__Going to update instantly.21:14
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@HaargperlDreamer, xp sp3 is still ie621:26
+perlDreamerokay, I'll see about getting a copy today or tomorrow21:29
+perlDreamerin the meantime, how do I setup a dashboard?21:29
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bernd__Haarg, it works!21:37
bernd__Thanks for reacting promptly!21:37
@Haargafter adding the dashboard, you paste shortcuts as children of it iirc21:37
+perlDreamerI'll try that21:37
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+perlDreamerah, I see now22:00
+perlDreamerYou make shortcuts22:00
+perlDreamerthen you go to the dashboard and hit Add New Content, which brings up a menu of stuff to add22:00
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+perlDreamertime for me to head back to the main office and get some lunch, bbiaw, all22:24
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Lisettethere is an example of soaplistener for Web service client?22:37
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+perlDreamerHaarg, now that we have a workaround/fix for the translation encoding, do we need to do anything special to close out the bug that refers to it?23:14
@Haargi closed it already23:14
+perlDreamereven better :)23:14
Lisettehow to do to obtain the response of a webservie with web service client?23:21
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@HaargperlDreamer, i ended up doing the asset id option to wgd edit a bit different00:05
+perlDreamercool, I'll do a pull00:05
@Haargnow it just tries using the param as an id first, and as a url if it doesn't work00:05
+perlDreamerthat's nice, you can mix on the commandline00:06
+perlDreameryou could probably use session->id->valid as a safe first pass check00:06
@Haargit currently just checks for /00:06
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+perlDreamerthat's even simpler00:09
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+perlDreamerthat's the dashboard bug fixed00:14
+perlDreamerI'm going to try the hover help css problem next00:14
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bernd__Good night everyone! And happy hacking...00:23
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9425 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: 00:24
CIA-46WebGUI: Fix a dashboard bug where scripts and css needed by user profile fields were not00:24
CIA-46WebGUI: sent via an AJAX method in the shortcut.00:24
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9426 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): 00:24
CIA-46WebGUI: When data is successfully saved from the edit user preferences form, make it00:24
CIA-46WebGUI: redraw the Dashboard, instead of the shortcut.00:24
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@tavistohave you used the consolidated shopping cart screen for a customer project yet?00:56
@tavistoI have a guy who wants to let visitors purchase stuff on his WebGUI site. I think that feature was included in your customized shopping cart00:56
topsubya i did00:58
topsubthats why we built it was because  a client needed it00:58
topsubyour talking about the 1 page checkout correct?00:58
topsubThe client we built that for is lanching their site tomorrow i believe00:58
topsubwe finished up things today00:58
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knowmadtavisto: i heard you're talking about us01:01
@tavistoyour spies are correct01:01
topsubyou need that feature tavisto?01:02
@tavistoso, here's what I want to know.... have you deployed any of that custom e-commerce code that allows for the consolidated check out screen and allows visitors to complete purchases?01:02
knowmadbtw, i spoke to Agnes today01:02
@tavistooh cool, hopefully you'll be able to help her01:02
topsubyou want a non registered user to be able to buy something?01:03
knowmadyeah, i'm trying to come up with something that will help but also meet her budget01:03
@tavistoThere's a guy who purchased hosting from PB today, but he wants a single click transaction that doesn't require user registration01:03
knowmadour client with that one-page checkout was scheduled to launch today01:03
@tavistonice, did it happen?01:03
topsublater this evening i heard they are switching the dns01:03
knowmadbut it doesn't look like that happened01:04
@tavistocoolio, I'd like to see that01:04
knowmadso tomorrow you can visit www.counciloned.com01:04
@tavistoso anyway, instead of turning this guy away, I'd like to hook you up01:04
topsubtavisto, yes we have that feature on that site01:04
@tavistodo you provide the hosting as well?01:05
knowmadyeah, we do provide hosting01:05
topsubyes we can provide hosting01:05
knowmadwell, jt might not think so but the WRE makes it so dang easy for us to self-host01:05
@tavistooh yeah?01:08
topsubtavisto, is it one product this guy needs or multi?01:08
knowmadwe do so little hosting he probably doesn't notice01:08
@tavistoWilliam, I'll include the website URL in my email to him. Should I include your email as well?01:09
@tavistohe said he's just selling 1 thing01:09
Lisettewhy when i add a web service client shows me the next error: WARN - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: home Root cause: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440.??01:09
Lisetteanyone knows?01:09
knowmadtavisto: sure01:10
knowmadLisette: sounds like a bug01:10
Lisettemmm because when i do this in the demo version, it's works01:11
Lisettebut in my site don't work01:11
knowmadwhat version of wG? i thought that the Web Service asset was removed from core recently01:11
knowmadbut then i wouldn't expect to see it in the demo01:11
+perlDreamerLisette, the demo site always uses the latest stable, which in this case is 7.5.4001:11
Lisettei have 7.5.2501:11
knowmadperlDreamer: wasn't the asset she's talking about removed from core?01:11
+perlDreamerknowmad, yes, in 7.6.  But if your site was using it, it was not removed from your local install.01:12
knowmadso that explains why it's still showing up in the demo01:12
knowmadLisette: you may want to check the changelog to see if any bugs against that asset were fixed since 7.5.2501:13
Lisetteok, thanks01:13
+perlDreamerI'm about 99% positive that there were some bugs fixed01:13
+perlDreamersince I remember fixing them01:13
+perlDreamerbut I've done so much coding in the last two months that it's all blurring together01:13
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+perlDreamerI need a dev with opera to help me test a bug fix.01:21
+perlDreamerAny volunteers?01:22
@Haargi can01:23
+perlDreamerI'll commit the fix, and then revert it if it doesn't work.01:24
@tavistoKnowmad, I sent off that email so I'm sure he'll contact you soon. Actually I'll forward you the email he sent to me as well.01:25
+perlDreamerokay, it's rev 942701:25
+perlDreamerto duplicate the bug, just look at any hoverhelp.  If you do not see a yellow bar below the text, it's fixed.01:25
knowmadtavisto: Thanks!01:26
+perlDreamerSurvey hoverhelp will show a yellow background to all the text, due to the styling01:26
@tavistoyep no problem01:26
+perlDreamerI'm still kind of shocked.  I wrote javascript and it worked the first time.01:26
@tavistobenefit #721 of being a Plain Black partner, lead sharing.01:26
@tavistoshould be perfect though, he gets all the cool features of wG with a Knowmad shopping cart.01:27
@Haarghover help looks fine in opera 9.6301:27
+perlDreamercool, I'll update the changelog and close the bug.01:27
topsubpowered by knowmad. inspired by topsub01:28
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CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9427 /WebGUI/www/extras/hoverhelp.js: Prototype fix for yellow hoverhelp lines in opera/firefox.01:50
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9428 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document the hoverhelp fix in the changelog.01:50
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daviddelikatperlDreamer : the fix you posted for the gallary search page woks fine for the search itself but the date is still displayed wrong.03:33
+perlDreamerit displays okay for me03:33
+perlDreamerwhich browser are you using?03:33
daviddelikatis this likely to be something in the database?03:33
+perlDreamerthis is all form work03:34
daviddelikatmy dates still say 02/03/3103:34
daviddelikatthat is what it says on the gallary page03:34
+perlDreamergallery page?  The main page of the gallery, or the album page?03:34
daviddelikaton the search page it says 12/31/6903:34
@rizenperlDreamer does not make mistakes03:34
@rizenhow dare you question his fix03:34
+perlDreamerno, he does not03:34
+perlDreamerHe makes catastrophically bad judgement calls based on wild guesses03:35
daviddelikatthat would be the album page03:35
+perlDreamerLet me build one up real quick.03:35
daviddelikathere http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/03:36
daviddelikatI just updated my code the afternoon03:37
daviddelikat( and restarted modperl )03:37
+perlDreamerSo if I click on the album page, I should see bad dates...03:38
daviddelikatyes, in white text on off-white background03:39
+perlDreamerI see that bad date on your page.03:39
+perlDreamerbut on the one that I built, it's just fine.03:39
daviddelikatno the album is fine, its the search page that sows them wrong03:39
daviddelikatperhaps I should start over.03:40
+perlDreamerthat would help :)03:40
+perlDreamerthank you03:40
daviddelikatthe album has the correct date: 020409...03:40
+perlDreamerthat I see03:40
+perlDreamerwhat do I click on next?03:40
daviddelikatclick on advanced search03:40
daviddelikatset the dates to 2/1/09 and today03:41
daviddelikatand click search03:41
daviddelikatyou see the album and the picture03:41
daviddelikatthe date on the bottom of the picture is 12/31/6903:41
+perlDreamerah, now I see.03:41
daviddelikatin white text on off-white background03:42
+perlDreamerfrom the bug, it sounded like the dates were wrong in the search boxes03:42
+perlDreamernot the photo display03:42
+perlDreamerI'll look into it.03:42
+perlDreamerI have an idea that I already know what's wrong03:42
+perlDreamerbut we shall see03:42
daviddelikatthis is why i failed english....03:42
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, would you mind posting a bug about this issue specifically?03:43
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+perlDreameroh dear03:46
+perlDreamerthat's really mucked up03:46
+perlDreamerI wonder who did that03:46
* perlDreamer looks around for someone else to blame03:46
+perlDreamerperhaps somebody new...03:47
+perlDreamerwell, after digging around some, it turns out it's been that way for a while03:48
+perlDreamerthis is the problem03:48
+perlDreamer<div class="date"> Created ^D("%M/%d/%Y",^International('template file creationDate','Asset_GalleryAlbum'););</div>03:48
daviddelikatyour ticket sir:  http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/967503:48
+perlDreamerNow, given that line, can you tell me what's wrong?03:48
daviddelikatlooks like it doesn't have a date valule to format03:49
+perlDreamerthat's the problem03:49
+perlDreamerit should be something more like03:49
+perlDreamer<div class="date">^International("template file creationDate","Asset_GalleryDate"); ^D("%M/%d%Y", <tmpl_var creationDate>);</div>03:50
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+perlDreamerand since I recently did a huge amount of template i18n, I'm guessing that I broke preaction_'s beautiful search template.03:50
daviddelikatthat looks senseble03:51
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+perlDreamerjmarsden|work: what's the good word on Ubuntu?03:51
jmarsden|workI've not checked today whether anyone reviewed my package yet... let me check...03:52
+perlDreamerin addition to randomly breaking templates in WebGUI, I'm also known for impatience.03:53
jmarsden|workNo real reviews yet, one comment saying "The changelog does not close a bug from Launchpad. New packages should have a needs-packaging bug and the upload close it using the syntax "(LP: #nnnn)". 03:53
* perlDreamer has all sorts of problems...03:53
jmarsden|workThe comment is correct, so I should do that.03:53
+perlDreameroh, maybe that's why it's not getting a lot of comments03:54
+perlDreamerrizen: I've just started using wgdev, and I've decided that Haarg needs to be promoted to Overlord of Internal Tool development03:55
jmarsden|workPossible; I think it is more that it is a relatively big/complex piece of software to check, and no- MOTUs with the time/energy to do it have yet come along...03:55
@rizenpretty cool eh?03:55
+perlDreamerIt's awesome!03:55
@rizeni haven't looked at the newest version03:55
@rizeni really need to get a copy03:55
+perlDreamerIt's on github.com03:56
@rizeni know, i just haven't gotten it yet03:56
+perlDreamerall fixed up, daviddelikat04:01
daviddelikatso how does that get passed down to users?  is the template in a file somewhere?04:02
+perlDreamerin docs/upgrades/packages-my.next.version04:03
+perlDreamerthere will be a bunch of WebGUI package files04:04
+perlDreamerthose are little bundled up assets with their collateral04:04
+perlDreamerextra tables, storage objects, files, etc, and all their asset properties04:04
+perlDreamerwhen the user upgrades, it will overwrite the default webgui template on their site04:04
daviddelikatdoes that get loaded when modperl restarts?04:04
+perlDreamerthe package will be automatically inserted into the db on an upgrade04:05
+perlDreameror, it can be manually loaded04:05
+perlDreamerin the asset manager04:05
daviddelikatI'll try that...04:05
+perlDreameryou'll find it in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.1104:05
+perlDreamertime for dinner, later guys!04:06
daviddelikatI saw it when I updated...04:06
+perlDreamersvn up, yes.  But how about perl upgrade.pl --doit?04:06
daviddelikatwill that insert it into the database?04:06
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9429 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the display of creationDate in the gallery search template.04:21
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riesHey All.. checking the wiki.... but.... does webgui make a good CMS for a community sort of website where uses can post there blogs, news, galleries, tip-a-friend yada yada yada.... We expect around 500.000 active users (not at the same time) and host around 10.000.000 images RDBM would be preferred PostgreSQL04:25
+perlDreamerto the best of my knowledge, WebGUI does not work with PostgreSQL04:26
+perlDreamerThat being said, I don't think anyone's tried it for a long time04:26
+perlDreamerWebGUI can do all the things that you mentioned.  Blogs, news feeds, photo galleries, calendars (with ical feeds)04:27
riesperlDreamer: I guess it would be possible to make it with PostgreSQL? Assuming that webgui uses a RDBM of some sort...04:28
riesperlDreamer: Basicly they asked me to make a multi-domain multi-language website(s) where news is shared between domains aswell as users04:28
riesthey can publish there photo's of art-work and sell that04:29
riesinter-user communication, that sort of work...04:29
+perlDreamerries, the RDBM that WebGUI uses is MySQL.  There are no mapping layers between the object code and DB that would make it database agnostic.04:30
+perlDreameryou can also do ecommerce with WebGUI04:31
riesSo it would be suitable for a community oriented website, rather then admin users creating and publishing content... Right?04:31
+perlDreamerFor example, see the Bazaar on webgui.org04:31
+perlDreamerall user contributed content, where you can optionally give it away, or sell it04:32
+perlDreamerthat code isn't in the core yet, but it is available as a plugin04:32
riesAbout MySQL... we have zero experience with MySQL so we would beable to change this to PostgreSQL (we have the resources) ...04:32
riesif possible that is04:32
+perlDreamerAnything is possible with enough coding and time.04:33
riesThe initial idea was to build a CMS from scratch, I said let's first look around and see what is available... so we have the $$$04:33
@rizenit doesnt take a lot of exp with mysql to do it well04:33
+perlDreamerbut, you can also use the WRE, WebGUI Runtime Environment, which is basically a software appliance setup for managing WebGUI sites.  It does all the heavy db setup work for you04:33
+perlDreamerries, rizen is Mr. WebGUI.04:34
+perlDreamerif it can be done with WebGUI, has been done, or someone in Siberia thought about WebGUI, rizen knows about it04:35
riesrizen: We just don't have the experience to do that well and MySQL .... 04:35
+perlDreamerI need to scoot for the evening04:35
+perlDreamerlater, all04:35
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@rizenif you have the $$ to do a big project then surely you can spend a few of those learning MySQL. Especially since WebGUI will do all the work for you so you don't need to build your own custom CMS04:36
riesrizen: We are writing our requirements better.. we identified around 36 modules we need for the site to function and I am specifing them04:36
riesMySQL is not really an option for us due to historical experience.... (we lost a DB twice due to MySQL not being stable) yes we had a backup, but not a happy client04:37
@rizeni've had the same experience with Postgres and Oracle04:37
@rizenthat doesn't mean i never use them anymore04:37
riesrizen: About learning MySQL... we would need to hrie a company then, something we are planning to... but rather hire a company that knows PostgreSQL better then us04:37
@rizenwhat you're saying is that you can't run unless you buy Nike brand shoes to run in04:37
@rizenthat's religion, not technology04:38
@preaction_only problem i've ever had with mysql is me not knowing that a restart will reconnect the slave to the master04:38
riesrizen: yes it's part religion, I just don't want to debate it :)04:38
@rizenfair enough04:38
@rizenunfortunately that means WebGUI's not for you04:38
@rizenit only runs on MySQL04:39
@rizeni wish i could helpyou04:39
@rizenbut unfortunately i can't debate religion04:39
riesrizen: I don't want even debate it....04:39
@rizeni just said that04:39
riesit's apple vs PC, PHP vs Java, etc etc... it's personal choise04:39
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riesrizen: anyways, would it be good by the time I have the requirements I contact you? It might be interesting to let it run on PG and we could sponsor that 100%04:40
@rizenyou mean contact us to convert webgui to run on PG?04:41
riesIndeed.... and if you could help us to find the right people to build the website04:41
@preaction_would it also fulfill the goal of running on drizzle?04:41
@rizeni don't have any religion about databases, so if you want us to make webgui run on PG we'll do it for you04:42
@rizeni don't think it would be terribly difficult04:42
@rizenit used to run on PG several years ago04:42
@rizenbut only 3 out of the 10,000 sites we know about used it04:42
@rizenso it wasn't worth maintaining04:42
riespreaction_: Drizzle would be to know... we try not to experiment with new technology (even if it was a fork of existing)04:43
riesrizen: I fully understand, for that reason about 90% of the CMS systems run on MySQL....04:43
@preaction_right, i'm just saying if we stop relying on so much mysql-ese SQL, it might be beneficial to our desire to run on drizzle04:43
@preaction_(which as i understand is a mysql without so much of the mysql-ese that causes bloat)04:44
riesrizen: it would not be for a couple of weeks before I have writen everything down better... but will contact you...04:44
riespreaction_: That's what I understood about Drizzle to.... However with this project I cannot experiment04:45
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CIA-46WebGUI: translation * r9430 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (4 files): Update from translation server12:14
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wgGuest40i have a problem with webgui14:04
+BartJollet's hear14:05
wgGuest40i want create content for wiki module and get category list 14:06
wgGuest40this is possible ?14:07
+BartJolprobably, but I should check that14:07
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wgGuest48for collaboration asset content is message board 14:08
wgGuest48how i get content for wiki module 14:09
+BartJolin the help, there are some template variables, I think you should check those14:10
+BartJoljust add to the end of your url ?op=viewHelpIndex14:10
wgGuest48ok thanks, I check it 14:10
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daviddelikatHaarg where can i get the latest version of wgd?16:54
+BartJoldaviddelikat: you mean the svn version?17:00
daviddelikatgraham wrote a cool script called wgd that handles lots of odd functions17:01
daviddelikatlike reset a whole wg site and stuff like that17:01
daviddelikati've got an old version that seems to be missing the good stuff...17:01
+BartJolmmm, I don't know that script17:02
daviddelikatits not in the main svn but i think it may be in git somewhere17:03
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daviddelikatwoot has 'Ion Audio Portable USB Turntable'17:03
daviddelikatwhere else would you see a USB LP?17:04
+BartJolthat contains the wgd script17:05
daviddelikatdo you know how to convert that URL to a checkout URL?17:07
+BartJolwell, if you get it with svn, you should be ok17:08
+BartJolI'm not an svn hero, unfortunately17:08
daviddelikatI tried it with svn co and got a 'not wellformed xml' error17:08
+BartJoltrailing slashes do seem to cause some trouble17:09
daviddelikat'https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools' -- works17:10
+BartJolwell do that and just delete the rest17:10
+BartJolugly, but it works17:10
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+perlmonkey2mmm, anyone tested the new skin on the survey in HEAD?  Doesn't look like the buttons work anymore.17:42
daviddelikatI was looking at surveys too and had problems17:43
daviddelikathaven't really tried to pinpoint it thogh17:43
+perlmonkey2not seeing a JS error.  17:43
+perlmonkey2looks like events aren't being triggered.  Which is weird as the button click is all YUI.17:43
daviddelikatwhich buttons are you pushing?17:44
daviddelikatI just updated my whole site, reset the db and all and when I try to edit I get three links and a textbox17:45
daviddelikatnot a textbox, just a frame17:45
+perlmonkey2yeah, the button events are no longer being registered.17:45
+perlmonkey2This is usually a quiet dying JS error somewhere above.17:46
+perlmonkey2upstream I mean.17:46
+perlmonkey2I'm pushing the multiple choice.17:46
daviddelikati have a parseJSON error17:46
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+perlmonkey2nice, its dying so quietly, not eve a try catch is catching it.17:51
+perlmonkey2ah, I see.  The new skin breaks the hidden questions.  17:52
@Haargdaviddelikat, i updated the wgd script in svn18:01
daviddelikatsometimes you just have to admit when you have a problem...  I can't find the search option on this page: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/how-to-use-the-bazaar18:01
@Haargalso, i have it on github - http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/tree/master18:01
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9431 /tools/wgd: updating wgd script to latest version18:07
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daviddelikatHaarg : getting a funky error from  wgd18:14
daviddelikatCan't modify constant item in concatenation (.) or string at /data/tools/wgd line 424, near "}msx"18:14
daviddelikat  (Might be a runaway multi-line {} string starting on line 419)18:14
daviddelikatBEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at /data/tools/wgd line 478.18:14
@Haargwhat command did you try to run?18:14
daviddelikatperhaps its my version of perl?  5.8.818:15
@Haargi've been using 5.10, and apparently it isn't a problem there18:16
@Haarglet me try to fix it quick18:16
+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: the buttons work.  But somethings screwed up in the styles.18:19
+perlmonkey2mcbutton and mcbutton-selected now look exactly alike.18:19
daviddelikatwhich buttons are we talking about?18:19
+perlmonkey2multiple choice18:21
daviddelikatI'm not even getting there.18:21
daviddelikattake a look at mine... http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/home/untitled?func=editSurvey18:22
daviddelikatyou'll have to login, but its the default password18:22
@Haargdaviddelikat, wgd should be fixed now18:22
@Haargi think it was caused by a bug in perl but i'm not certain18:22
+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: looks like debug mode is on.18:23
+perlmonkey2probably messing up the styles or something.18:23
daviddelikatperlmonkey2 : I didnot used to have this problem18:24
daviddelikatHaarg : how long before it hits svn18:24
@Haargshould be there now18:24
+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: I don't know what's going on.18:24
@Haargor maybe i'm still stupid18:25
daviddelikatHaarg : its there, but perl 8 still doesn't like it.  don't worry for now... I just reset before I got this version I should be good for a while18:26
+perlDreamerwgd is in svn now?18:27
daviddelikatperlmonkey2: it works OK with debug off18:27
@Haargthe compiled version is in tools18:27
@Haargok, fixed for real this time18:29
+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: hmm, i"m not seeing the style sheets being loaded anymore.18:29
daviddelikatHaarg: perl 8 is complaining about a different pattern now.  probably a newer feature....18:29
@Haargit's not a newer feature :/  i think it's just a bug18:29
@Haargbut i just updated the version in svn and i think it should work now18:29
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daviddelikatyup, sgood18:30
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+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: I'm looking at the default survey take template and I don't see the css files being loaded.  Yet firebug assures me there are being loaded, they just don't have any content.18:34
@Haargperl -e'qr/^\Q=\E/'18:34
@Haargworks in 5.10, breaks in 5.8.818:34
@Haargwasn't expecting that18:34
daviddelikatHaarg: \Q \E is not in perl 5.8 I checked my book...18:36
@Haargyes it is - http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.8/pod/perlre.pod18:37
@Haargit works without the ^ or if you change the = to something else18:37
daviddelikatok its not in the index.... I found it in the text...18:37
+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: okay, I give up.  The temlate with this survey doesn't load any css, yet my firebug thinks it is there (if empty), and the view source shows it being loaded from the root path, which I'm guessing means it has been turned into snippets.18:38
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: didn't you say you were moving the survey css to snippets?18:38
+perlDreamerwhat did I do with the survey...18:39
+perlDreamerYesterday I commented about the help variables18:39
+perlDreamerand I posted back to Jamie's bug about answer text and recorded text18:40
+perlmonkey2for the life of me I can't find where the css is being loaded.18:40
+perlDreamerextra head tags?18:40
+perlmonkey2those don't show up in the editor anymore.18:40
+perlDreamerno, they're on the next tab18:40
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9432 /tools/wgd: fixing regex in wgd for perl 5.8.818:41
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9433 /tools/wgd: another wgd perl 5.8.8 fix18:41
+perlmonkey2holy crap they are in metadata?18:41
* perlmonkey2 wonders off to do something else.18:41
+perlDreamerwhich template are we talking about?  take, edit, ...18:42
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daviddelikatsurvey.css is empty/doesn't exists18:47
+perlDreamerthere is a survey.css in extras, but the URLs don't point to it18:48
+perlDreamerlooks like somebody forgot to upload a snippet in a commit18:48
+perlDreamertime to go through the svn logs18:48
+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: yes, I'll add it.18:49
+perlmonkey2someone moved the css from the extras to a snippet and apparently missed one.18:49
+perlmonkey2although why anyone woudl want it in a snippet over extras is beyond me.18:49
+perlDreamerthe graphics designers can't easily get to extras?18:50
+perlmonkey2ah, yes.18:50
+perlDreamerand they're used to hacking stuff through the UI?18:50
+perlDreamerthat's just a guess18:50
+perlDreamermaybe we just need to get the person who commited survey-style to add survey.css to the upgrades area?18:50
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I can just export the snippet package and put it in the 7.6.11 upgrades, right?  Never packaged a snippet before.18:51
+perlDreamerpackages don't really care what they are18:51
+perlDreamerthey're just dumb little data balls18:51
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: yeah, tested it with the handy dandy wgd to reset it and run updates.  Guess I'll submit it.18:53
+perlmonkey2although a designer really should go over those buttons.  The default YUI ones are much sexier.18:53
+perlDreamerI'll drop the designer an email, and remind her to make sure everything got committed.18:54
+perlDreamerI'd hold off on the commit18:54
+perlDreamerit'll just be overwritten18:54
+perlmonkey2oh well....I'm sure she'll name i the same and put it in the same place.18:55
+perlmonkey2or i could roll that commit back?18:55
+perlDreamerI thought I'd save you some keystrokes18:55
+perlDreamerif it's already in, no sweat18:56
+perlDreamerYou know, if we ask the template designers to use the International macro to provide text, we need to give them a way to search the i18n system to see what labels already exist, and which ones need to be added.19:11
+perlDreamerinternationalization = i + 18 characters + n = i18n19:14
+BartJolooh, only 18 chracters, I can handle that19:15
CIA-46WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9434 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added survey.css as a snippet. Had been left out.19:16
CIA-46WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9435 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/survey.css.wgpkg: Added survey.css as a snippet. Had been left out.19:16
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carograyhi all...19:21
+perlmonkey2hello carogray19:21
carograyquick question about site wide search and replace...19:21
carograyis it possible? We have a whole section on Income and Benefits /Food Stamps19:21
carograyDepartment of Transitional Assistance has now changed the program to SNAP can't remember what the acronym is...19:22
+perlDreamercarogray, in the core WebGUI doesn't have anything like that, but there is an open RFE for it.19:22
carograyis it possible to replace every instance of Food Stamps with ...aah19:22
+perlDreamerbut it could be done with an external script19:22
carogray...an external script? We pay PB or some WG true Guru to write it and apply it?19:23
+perlDreameryes, or have somebody in house do it19:23
+perlDreamerHaarg, rizen: bug or RFE -> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/967719:23
carograyOUR house?!!!!19:23
+perlmonkey2carogray: you might be able to do something in the database.19:25
+perlmonkey2seems like I did something like that a long time ago....19:25
+perlDreamercarogray, I don't know if you guys write code or not.  I just don't want you to think that you absolutely have to pay somebody to get it done if you _do_ have coders to work with.19:26
+perlDreamerand perlmonkey2 is right, it could be done with SQL, or with perl19:27
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: naw, seems like a single statement would search every column in every table.19:28
+perlmonkey2looking for it now (if it exists)19:28
+perlDreamerthere is a replace function that works on strings19:30
+perlmonkey2carogray: is it only articles that need updating?19:31
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@rizenperlDreamer: why is that a question19:44
@rizenthe feature exists and doesn't work19:44
@rizenso it's a bug19:44
+perlDreamerwell, it works exactly like it's coded.  It's like it was only intended to work on new posts/threads.19:44
+perlDreamerI'll fix it.19:45
carograyperldreamer and perlmonkey2 - sorry how rude. I kind of zoned out...very distracted these days..19:48
+perlDreamerWe're very patient19:48
carograyno one really writes code at ours..Sandra does a bit, but she is not really a coder and hasn't got a very high tolerance for frustration19:49
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+perlDreamerif you have a support contract with Plain Black, depending on the details this could fall underneath that.19:49
carograyWhen you say only articles...It's articles, titles and menu titles of page layouts. I wouldn't worry about URLs19:50
carograyI think our support contract with PB is pretty limited - login requests and message board only...as well of course as keeping our server updated and maintained19:51
+perlDreamerI'm sure that if you posted all the details on the board, they'd either send you a script or ask you if you want a quote to have them build one for you.19:55
carograywell that sounds a mighty useful suggestion - will try it and see what happens! thanks PerlDreamer.19:56
+perlDreameryou're welcome, that's much easier than doing hours of manual page crawling and edits19:57
carograyno kidding. thanks - my biggest problem is simply waiting while WG saves the page!20:01
carograyit's never fast enough for me.20:01
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carograyor the server or the connection or whatever -- gotta go! thanks20:01
* perlDreamer goes to the gym20:09
* deafferret eats a Snickers20:15
* daviddelikat eats ho-hos21:00
daviddelikatjavascript anyone21:00
daviddelikata very interesting bug...21:01
daviddelikatwhen the admin bar loads normally it sets a property 'hasAnimation' to 1 and starts its work...21:04
daviddelikatthen later when the anim is done it sets it back to 021:04
daviddelikatwhen surveys are loaded it never gets set back to 0 so the next time you try21:04
daviddelikatto change the part displayed, it thinks that there is an animation underway and bugs out so as not to interfere21:05
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CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9436 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): fixed: Permissions aren't correctly applied to Article attachments22:07
+perlDreameris the whole internet slow, or is it just me?22:18
bernd__Fast enough=22:19
+perlDreamerI'm waiting about 5 minutes for webgui.org to come up22:19
+perlDreamercnn.com is the same22:19
bernd__Let me check...22:19
deafferretcnn.com is instant for me22:19
deafferret+- 1s22:19
bernd__Hm. I believe my connection is fine.22:20
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+perlDreamerit's my proxy22:36
CIA-46WebGUI: tabitha * r9437 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (2 files): Updated Data Table templates to be compliant with Rogier's templating project22:37
bernd__You are using a web-proxy?22:38
bernd__Why that?22:38
bernd__Is it faster usually?22:38
+perlDreamercontent filtering22:39
bernd__Ah, the kids?22:40
bernd__Or don't you trust yourself =)22:40
+perlDreamerboth 22:41
bernd__I assume, it blocks access to webgui-related sites during sleeping time?22:42
+perlDreamerno, it mainly blocks adult content22:43
+perlDreamerand anything related to python22:43
bernd__Python? Such a terrible language?22:44
bernd__Or even better and you do not want to be tempted?22:45
@frodwithat least they fixed scoping in 3k, thank Guido.22:45
+perlDreamerit has no braces and minimal punctuation.  How can that be a good language?22:45
bernd__Braces are confusing.22:45
* frodwith adores Python.22:45
bernd__I could lieve without.22:45
@frodwithit doesn't have -no- bracers, pd.  It just doesn't overload them for blocks.22:46
bernd__Hm, maybe we should start rewriting webgui in python.22:46
bernd__That is, perlDreamer would have to do the work, of course :-)22:47
+perlDreamerI think not22:47
+perlDreamerpythonDreamer is way too long to type22:47
@frodwithalso, python isn't a better language than perl.  It's just different.22:47
@frodwithperl is somewhat more flexible.22:48
bernd__Alright. I do not believe in the "best-language-of-the-world" concept, anyhow.22:48
@frodwithI do.  It's called lisp!  But that's a troll for another day.22:48
+perlDreamerI've used lisp.  It's worse than python22:48
bernd__There are just too many languages in the world.22:49
@frodwithNot enough, bernd.  Not enough.22:49
elninowhat web-proxy software do you use perlDreamer?22:49
bernd__I have gone through basic, forth, c, c++, java and now perl.22:49
bernd__Where will it end?22:50
@frodwithHopefully nowhere.  Learning is fun!22:50
+perlDreamerelnino, it's through my ISP as a service.22:50
@frodwithlearning cobol is -not- fun22:50
bernd__In that case you should start rewriting webgui. Just for the fun of it!22:50
* elnino wonders if I'm dating myself.22:50
@frodwithbernd: rewriting software is an exercise in futility 99 times out of 100.22:51
elninoI found a way cool site that tracks windows os from the beginning and another chart for all th eprogramming languages. I have to dig that up. It was cool.22:51
bernd__Time to go to bed.22:57
bernd__Have a good time.22:57
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elninocheck it out - http://www.levenez.com/ 22:58
+perlDreamerfrodwith, I try not to be a language bigot, but often fail.23:01
+perlDreamerI don't froth at the mouth when people talk about PHP anymore though23:01
+perlDreamerthat has to be some kind of improvement23:01
@frodwithUgh, horrible language!23:01
@frodwithno namespaces, no proper first class functions, ridiculously unorganized standard library23:01
@frodwithI wouldn't want to write it.  But I know plenty of otherwise sane people who do, so to each his own. :)23:02
@frodwithwait, I just also described C, didn't I?23:04
@frodwithI'll be damned.23:04
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@Haargmy favorite part of php is the functions that start with real_23:06
@Haargi guess there were times they wanted fake versions?23:06
@frodwithSquare root of negative 1 said to pi: 'Why can't you be more rational?'  pi replied: 'Oh, get real!'23:07
elninooh dear.23:17
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+perlDreamerHaarg, release today for 7.6?23:54
elninoare you guys saying that 7.6 Stable is coming soon!?!?23:58
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elninowhoo hoo!!! YAY! 00:00
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CIA-46WebGUI: Fix bad template code in 4 gallery templates. They were functional, just not00:42
CIA-46WebGUI: using template variables.00:42
CIA-46WebGUI: yung * r9439 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Adding/fixing Survey i18n and Help00:42
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9440 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (3 files): Unify all Survey CSS into 1 file, and use it.00:42
+perlDreamerHaarg, that quote from the Incredibles keeps going through my head.00:55
+perlDreamer"No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes! "00:57
+perlDreamerI had to look it up on IMDB00:57
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CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9443 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a problem with purging an EMS.01:20
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+perlDreamerdo 1 and 0 work like the JS booleans true and false?01:49
@Haargif i understand your question01:50
+perlDreamerI was looking through the datatable code, because I enjoy pain01:50
+perlDreamerand noticed that the API said it wanted booleans for sortable and resizable, but it was given 1's01:51
+perlDreamerthe columns were sortable, so in my JS infancy, I was confused01:51
+perlDreamerby jove, I think I've got it!01:53
+perlDreamerI'll check it out after I pick up the kids01:53
+perlDreamerbbl, everyone01:54
deafferretdead lifting kids? now you're just showing off01:56
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+perlDreamerit'd be easier if they'd stop growing so much03:41
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9444 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (5 files in 2 dirs): adding merge point03:42
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9445 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: fix small issue in addChild03:42
@preaction_would anyone object if bug priorities were visible on the ticket list but not sortable?03:45
@preaction_i can figure out sortable later03:45
+perlDreamervisible would be great!03:53
+perlDreamerfor the bug board, you could lose karma rank, too03:54
@preaction_cant do that yet, but soon03:56
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CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9446 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: Refactored next/last response/section related accessors and mutators04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: (and tests).04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: Added more documentation.04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9447 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: More ResponseJSON refactoring04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: Removed unnecessary $session argument from recordResponses04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: Refactored nextQuestions to return a list rather than an arrayref04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: Lots more documentation for ResponseJSON04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: More param validation for ResponseJSON04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: Refactored recordResponses04:10
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9448 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Renamed ResponseJSON branching methods04:11
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9449 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Updated Survey.pm to use new ResponseJSON.pm methods04:11
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9450 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 04:11
CIA-46WebGUI: Started refactoring nextQuestions in ResponseJSON04:11
CIA-46WebGUI: Made perlcritic happier04:11
CIA-46WebGUI: Extracted getQuestionResponses from processGotoExpression04:11
CIA-46WebGUI: Eliminated getPreviousAnswer04:11
@rizenHaarg, you around?04:19
@Haargrizen: i am now04:28
@rizeni'm confused about the merge you did04:28
@rizenit looks like you merged into 7.6.1004:29
@rizenbut we're working on 7.6.1104:29
@Haargi didn't want to have to keep updating the update script04:29
@Haargas more things are fixed for 7.6.1104:30
@rizenoh so that you didn't have to do stuff in both scripts?04:30
@rizenok fair enough04:30
@rizenthat eliminates my confusion04:30
@rizenthat just isn't how i did it the last time04:31
@rizenwhich is why i was confused04:31
@rizenif ($haarg->get_logic > $rizen->get_logic) { say "everybody wins"}04:32
@rizenthanks haarg04:32
@rizenbtw..using the wgd script, and it rocks04:33
@Haargglad you like it04:33
@rizenhate to admit that it beats my old resetdev script, but it does04:33
@Haargand only about 300 times as many lines04:34
+perlDreamerHaarg: if we transplanted the asset creation logic from Edit into Asset, then guids and URLs would work with any Command04:34
@Haargi already did that :)04:34
@Haargnot committed yet04:34
+perlDreamerI'll just continue to come up with great ideas a few hours after you do, to make sure you remember to commit them.04:35
+perlDreameroh, and not giving me git access is a good choice.  I completely cross merged branches in my git repo04:35
@Haargyou can always fix that kind of thing with git to some extent04:36
+perlDreameryes, patspam gave me some help with rebase04:36
@Haargi haven't actually used git's merging much04:36
@Haargbecause i'm usually using git svn04:36
@Haargso rebase is the best way to go04:37
@Haargalso, nothing goes to the server until you do a push04:38
@Haargso if you mess up a merge or whatever you can just fix it locally04:39
@rizenHaarg how hard would it be to switch us to git starting with 7.704:39
@rizenhere's the catch...we have a couple of branches already going with 7.7 dev stuff04:39
@Haarggetting the repos up is not a lot of work04:39
@rizenpatspam and yung specifically04:39
@Haarggetting people used to using it etc is the larger problem i would say04:40
@rizenthat's their problem04:40
@Haargideally yes04:40
@Haargbut it may become our problem as well04:40
@Haargi'll take another look at the gui tools and get back to you - they are doing much better at this point04:41
@Haargbut i'm not sure how well they work because for the most part i don't ever look at them04:41
@rizenif you think we should wait until the 8.0 branch then we'll wait04:42
@rizenit's basically you and a few active contributors that are pushing this change anyway04:43
@rizeni don't mind waiting04:43
@Haargi'll let you know by monday what i think04:43
@rizenfair enough04:43
@rizeni thinki just created a repo on github for webgui04:43
@rizenbut immediately after i did it, the site went down for maintenance04:43
@rizenso i don't know for sure04:43
@Haargseems to be working here04:44
@rizenoh yeah...it's back up now04:44
@rizenlooks like the repo didn't get created04:45
@rizeni am a bit concerned04:46
@rizeni created it btw04:46
@Haargconcerned how?04:46
@rizenwhen i create a public repo04:46
@rizencan just anybody check in to it04:46
@Haargonly people you add as contributors04:46
@rizenok so it's public only for checkout/browse?04:46
@Haarganyone can fork it though04:46
@Haargand then they have their own repo to work from04:47
@Haargi think it would be better to create a plainblack account though instead of having it under your name04:47
@rizenok you have privs04:47
@Haargjust seems more natural to me i guess04:48
@Haargthe various repos we'll want are all owned by plain black, not you specifically04:49
@rizenyeah, but then we have a "global" plainblack account04:49
@rizenand we don't know who did what when04:49
@rizenbetter to have an owner methinks04:49
@rizencan i rename myself?04:50
@Haargwell, you would be the only person with access to the 'owner' account04:50
@rizeni can rename myself but it doesn't rename the repo04:50
@Haargnot afaik04:50
@Haarg<rizen> and we don't know who did what when < do you mean to the overall account?04:52
@rizeni meant if we allowed "PB Staff" to have access to the plainblack account04:53
@rizenbut i'm ok with it if i'm the only one that has access04:53
@rizenso i renamed it04:53
patspamalso: http://github.com/pdonelan/webgui and http://github.com/perlDreamer/webgui/04:53
@Haargyeah, the only reason i would want access is to get it set up and everything converted04:54
@Haargpatspam, http://github.com/haarg/wgdev if you are interested04:56
@Haargmy pluggable script thing for webgui dev04:56
patspamHaard: ooh nice, this is the first I've heard of wgd04:58
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patspamperlmonkey2: i just stumbled across the section/question text [[var]]  templating feature in Survey.. very cool05:13
patspamI'm inclined to switch it over to use TT instead, but the YUI rich text editor would get in the way05:16
+perlDreamerwgd is awesome05:19
+perlDreamerwgd edit someTemplateIdOrUrl05:19
+perlDreameropens it in vim05:19
+perlDreamerwhen you save, it goes right back in05:19
+perlDreamerwhen you want to package it up for updated05:19
+perlDreamerwgd package --upgrade someTemplateUrl05:19
+perlDreamerand it puts a package into the right packages dir in docs/upgrades05:20
patspamman, that's too cool05:20
+perlDreamerand that's just two commands05:20
+perlDreamerthere's also the db stuff05:20
+perlDreamerthe reset stuff05:20
+perlDreamerauto testing05:20
+perlDreamerauto build for releases05:20
+perlDreamerHaarg is truck-proff05:21
patspamsweet, can't wait to play with it05:21
patspamis someone doing a talk on it at the WUC?05:21
patspamif not it should be in the Ultimate Dev Environment panel thing05:22
@Haargi'd do a speech about it if i wasn't horrible at writing05:24
patspamheh, sounds like all you need to do is stand there silently typing in commands onto a projected screen and listening to everyone go "wow"05:25
+perlDreamerHaarg: think of it like a Lightning Talk05:28
+perlDreamer15 minutes of demonstration, 15 minutes of system architecture 15 minutes rejecting requests from devs for it to do new stuff05:28
@Haargwell, part of the idea is that it is pluggable05:29
@Haargso they can do their own new stuff05:29
@Haargperl::critic is harsh05:30
@Haargalthough i guess i can only blame myself for setting it at the maximum strictness05:30
@rizenit's funny you should say that05:31
@rizeni blame you for lots of stuff05:31
@Haargas well you should05:32
@rizenand i'm glad i started testing the matrix upgrades tonight05:32
@rizennot sure what to do about this yet: Wide character in print at upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl line 331, <DATA> line 112.05:32
@rizenbut i have a couple of crash bugs also05:32
@rizenworking on those first05:32
@Haargi'll look at the wide char thing05:32
@Haargwide char thing is simple05:33
+perlDreamerwgd blame Haarg05:34
+perlDreamerHaarg, it's your fault05:34
+perlDreamerHaarg did it05:34
+perlDreamercat /etc/blame > Haarg05:34
+perlDreamerI never should have put that loop into there05:35
@rizenthanks Haarg05:35
@Haargwide char thing should be fixed and committed05:36
@rizenHaarg, i also fixed that email problem05:36
@rizensomeone removed localhost from /etc/hosts05:36
@Haargoh fun05:36
@Haargthere is no part of sendmail that doesn't confuse me05:37
@rizenyou get used to it05:41
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CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9451 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: small char encoding fix to merged upgrade06:08
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+perlmonkey2patspam: good idea on using TT.  I just wanted to use something that would be trivial for anyone to figure out and that's the best I could come up with.  Which isn't really that good.  So if you want TT, sounds great to me (not that you need to check something like that with me, rizen would have to approve it).06:40
patspamperlmonkey2: hey bud!06:41
@rizendefault templates can't use TT by default...yet06:41
@rizennot until webgui 806:42
+perlmonkey2patspam: what's the word?06:42
patspamdid I mean HTML::Template?06:42
patspamwhatever the default templates use atm06:42
+perlmonkey2heh, probably06:42
patspamthe problem is we can't use it, because the input field is a YUI rich text editor, so angle brackets get swallowed06:43
+perlmonkey2no way to escape them or wrap them?06:44
+perlmonkey2maybe I should do the RTF editor RTE and learn a little about the YUI editor.06:44
+perlmonkey2err, RTF was supposed to mean rich text editor.  06:45
@rizenwebgui will be switching to the YUI rich edit in either 7.7 or 8.0 so making the survey switch to that is a good idea06:45
+perlmonkey2groovy, I'll see if I can get that done tomorrow.06:46
CIA-46WebGUI: graham * r9451 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: small char encoding fix to merged upgrade06:46
CIA-46WebGUI: doug * r9452 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 06:46
CIA-46WebGUI: fix: Fixed templates from latest versions on plainblack.com06:46
CIA-46WebGUI: add: Added "Show In List" for metadata06:46
patspamit already uses the YUI editor06:48
patspamlol, i'm confused now ;)06:49
+perlmonkey2patspam: in head or your rfe branch?06:51
patspamahh maybe just in rfe06:52
patspamI'm living in the survey-rfe branch atm06:52
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+perlDreamerI just did a very bad thing06:53
+perlmonkey2patspam: is it in "needs validation" status or wrapped up?06:54
+perlDreamerI imported a package inside of a version tag06:54
+perlDreamerthen I imported it again06:54
+perlDreamerand it created a non-existant version tag06:54
+perlDreamerand I'm left with assets that I can't edit06:54
+perlDreamerthey're permanently locked06:54
+perlmonkey2./wgd reset -b06:54
+perlDreamerI'm going to try and duplicate in a dev site06:54
patspampm2: come again?06:55
+perlmonkey2patspam: was setting the status in the google doc.06:55
+perlDreamerHaarg: if you want to tinker, it on perldreamerconsulting.com06:56
@Haargso you imported a package twice?06:56
@Haargand that's it?06:57
+perlDreamerI think that's what I did, yes06:57
+perlDreamerand I have version control set to no-auto06:57
+perlDreamerthere are no pending version tags, no uncommitted version tags, but it shows as locked06:57
@Haarg2009/02/05 22:38:14 - WARN - www.perldreamerconsulting.com.conf - WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::unconditionalRead[314] - Unconditional read failed: SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS assetId, isLockedBy from asset where isLockedBy NOT NULL LIMIT 0,100 : You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'NULL LIMIT 0,100' at line 106:58
+perlDreameryeah, I was trying to look into the DB06:58
@Haargah, so that was a sql report?06:59
@Haargno other errors in the logs06:59
@Haargi think i have everything but the reset command perl::critic clean now07:01
@Haargthat one has pages of issues though of course...07:01
+perlDreameryup, that's it07:06
+perlDreamerimport package, edit 1 asset in it, import package again, commit07:06
+perlDreamerany asset not edited inbetween imports is locked07:06
@Haargyou going to file a bug?07:06
+perlDreamerFirst I'm going to cry a bit, then I'll file a bug07:07
+perlDreamerthen I'll try to figure out what in the world happened07:07
+perlDreamerI need a good perl based bug to work on anyway.  All this JS is giving me a backache.07:14
CIA-46WebGUI: jt * r9453 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: fixed a bug when a matrix listing didn't have a forum attached07:25
CIA-46WebGUI: jt * r9454 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fixed documentation07:25
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9455 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): 07:25
CIA-46WebGUI: More ResponseJSON refactoring.07:25
CIA-46WebGUI: Finished refactoring nextQuestions()07:25
CIA-46WebGUI: Added recordedResponses sub07:25
CIA-46WebGUI: Added getTemplatedText sub07:25
CIA-46WebGUI: Added sectionId, questionId, answerId, sIndex, qIndex, aIndexes07:25
CIA-46WebGUI: abstraction subs07:26
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Mtendajihi I've just tried to install the current stable on a minimal CentOS install and am just about to give up and try a different CMS ... modperl will not start at all .. can anyone give me a pointer or two to figure out what is up?11:33
+BartJoldid you use the wre? 11:34
MtendajiI've trawled the WebGUI wiki but it is just a nightmare after my 7th page of search and fail its just getting nuts.11:34
Mtendajiyes I did11:34
+BartJoldid you run the script setenvironment.sh?11:35
Mtendajithe test environement thing says its good ...11:35
Mtendajiyes I did n+1 times11:35
MtendajiI can not find a log however ...11:36
Mtendajifile does not exist?11:36
MtendajiI've vaguely aware of how apache flies in a vanilla linux setup but this is .. well not anytyhing I can figure out.11:37
MtendajiI suppose a good start would be where does mod perl live under the /data point of the filetree11:37
+BartJolsorry I was a bit busy11:39
Mtendajithats fine  no probs.11:39
+BartJolthe logs should be in /data/wre/var/logs11:39
Mtendajikk brb ... will have  a look.11:39
Mtendajikk its swimming in references to Graphics::Magick or Image::Magick11:42
MtendajiDoes that ship with WebGUI or do I chase it down manually ?11:42
+BartJolImage::Magick should be shipped with the wre11:42
+BartJolGraphics::Magick isn't used anymore11:43
Mtendajiok how do I impliment or re-instate Image::Magcik ?11:43
+BartJolwhat are the errors?11:44
+BartJolit should work... should11:44
Mtendajiand i quote "Error loading WebGUI::Image! - You must have either Graphics::Magick or Image::Magick installed to run WebGUI."11:44
+BartJoland testEnvironment.pl shows an installed Image::Magick?11:45
Mtendaji--OR-- BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Image.pm line 18.11:45
Mtendajibrb .. I'll look11:45
Mtendajiahh both that and the obsolete item are defined as " Not Installed, but it's optional anyway"11:47
+BartJolwell, it's necessary11:47
Mtendajiwhy would the installer not do this ...11:47
* Mtendaji mutters curses11:48
+BartJoldunno actually11:48
+BartJolas long as the curses aren't directed at me, it's fine :)11:48
Mtendajino its good... not you.11:48
Mtendajiprovided you did'nt make the install script ... :)11:49
+BartJoli didn't11:49
+BartJolso you should run it as root, then it should prompt you for installation11:50
Mtendajiok this begs a fairly obvious question.. is this a perl thing I must install or a ...11:50
+BartJoltestEnvironment that is11:50
Mtendajii'm in the box now as root and all has been done as he from the get go 11:50
Mtendajii just love KVM's ...11:51
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+BartJolI think it's a cpan install11:51
Mtendajikk i can webmin it in then ... 11:51
* Mtendaji hands BartJol a beer11:52
Mtendajiback in five.. 11:52
+BartJolbeer! you know me?11:52
Mtendajinot really ...11:52
+BartJolin the WebGUI community we (dutch people) are famous for drinking beer11:54
Mtendajilol.. we Scots drink whisky ... mostly but in .au it's kinda hot at the moment ... so beer is it12:02
Mtendaji5 has been officially extended things are slowwwwing at this end.12:02
Mtendajimore like 20 .. run if you have to .. thankyou for your help if you do.12:07
+BartJolaah, I'm stuck here for another6-7 hours, it's work (lunch excluded)12:10
Mtendaji9pm Friday nigth and ditched by GF till sunday ...12:12
Mtendajihmm.. outstanding ..12:13
Mtendajithank you lots and lots... it has worked.12:14
MtendajiI do not know why the installer failed to do the module but it seems that via webmin it has worked.12:14
* Mtendaji hands BartJol another beer ... and grins.12:14
+BartJolit is indeed strange12:15
+BartJolwell, it works now12:15
MtendajiIf I do find out I'll put a post at WebGUI12:15
Mtendajinow.. (You Guessed it ..) i'm gonnna go play in it .. :) 12:16
+BartJoloff course! that is the fun part12:16
* Mtendaji waves12:16
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elninoHaarg, can you explain some things in plain english for me?17:02
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elninoHi SDuensin17:07
elninoMy customer is experiencing sluggishness.  Now, granted this is a server optimization 101 question, because I'm used to working with a server with a boatload of memory, and bandwidth wasn't an issue either. So I can probably guarenteer you that this server is probably not tuned appropriately to it's resources.17:14
elninobut first I want to make sure I'm explaining this corectly to myself and her....17:15
elninoI understand bandwidth, and I believe wehave issues with that. and that would definately show up as "sluggishness" (HUGE sound files, and IMAGEs gallore)17:15
elninoeasy to fix those.17:16
elninoBut it's memory.17:16
elninoI know we in the 'gray area" and could definately use some more.17:16
elninobut that eally isn't an option right now.17:16
elninobut I want to explain what memory is used for so SHE understands it.17:16
elninoAnyone with me?17:16
SDuensinI'm with you.  Not sure I have an answer though.17:17
elninothat's ok. I'm glad somebody is following. =)17:17
elninomemory determines how much a server can handel... Is that a good way of explaining it?17:18
elninoand if you have a high number of visitors, each of those visitors need their own "memory space" on the server?17:18
SDuensinI always tell people it's the computer's "thinking space".  Like how much you can keep in your brain at one time without needing to write it down.17:18
elninoso if the server is limited, the server is going to try to diviy up that space as much as it can, but the "thinking space" is just going to get smaller for each visitor on the website.17:19
elninowould that be a fair explaination?17:19
SDuensinYep.  And when you need to start writing things down, it takes a whole lot longer than just stuffing them into your head.  More memory == faster.  (Unless you're not memory starved, of course.)17:20
elninoand writeing takes up memory too, which means less pie for your customers.17:21
elninook. just wanted to make sure that would make sense. She is NOT technical.17:21
elninoAnd I'm used to having all the pie I want.  =)17:21
SDuensinThe best non-technical answer possible:  "Shut up.  It's fine."17:21
elninono, not when she can't modify content on the website, it's pretty bad...17:21
SDuensinThat is bad.  I gave WebGUI to an entire office of non-computer-user types.  They built their entire site themselves!  (Except the template, of course.)17:22
elninoI just did a speed test on the home page. 7 seconds for downloading just the images..17:23
elninoso we have serious problems.17:23
elninoAnd like I said earilier, I'm probably part o fthe problem, because it's probably not tuned to where it should be given the resources it has, but That's where I'm lost. 17:24
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+MrHairgreaseI'm having a problem with Class::InsideOut in that it doesn'tcreate my accessors form me17:30
+MrHairgreaseI'm thinking it has something to do with how I'm trying to set thing up.17:31
+MrHairgreaseI have a base class WebGUI::Chart which uses C::IO17:31
+MrHairgreaseand defines a number of readonly properties  like session17:31
+MrHairgreaseThen there's WebGUI::Chart::ChartMagick17:32
+MrHairgreasethat also uses C::IO17:32
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+MrHairgreaseb/c it defines some other readonly properties17:32
+MrHairgreaseall the accessors (ie. $self->session) that C::IO normally creates for me17:33
+MrHairgreaseall return undef17:33
+MrHairgreaseanybody has an idea?17:33
elninonot me.17:34
elninoit's pretty quiet here this morning.17:34
@Haargyou are calling register in the subclass as well?17:34
+MrHairgreaseCan I actually do a 'use Class::InsideOut' in a class that ISA another class doing 'use C::IO' too?17:34
+MrHairgreasetried that too17:34
+MrHairgreaseI'm now trying to use the _buildObject pardigm17:35
+MrHairgreaseand overload that17:35
@Haargare you using Apache2::Reload?17:36
+MrHairgreaseI'm not using that anymore b/c it gave C::IO problems17:36
@Haargthat's all that comes to mind right away17:36
+MrHairgreaseme too17:36
+MrHairgreaseit sucks17:36
@Haargcan you pastebin your subclass's code?17:36
+MrHairgreasesure 17:37
+MrHairgreasehang on17:37
+MrHairgreaseeven better17:37
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+MrHairgreaseI'll put it in my experimetal branch17:37
elninoI'm using http://analyze.websiteoptimization.com/wso and it says, I could save ### bytes if I compressed my images. how do I compress images,I'm being congratulated that my html is compressed... I'm using wre, so I figured it's probably doing all that...?17:40
+MrHairgreaseand its superclass17:41
@Haargin the subclass you aren't calling register on $self after you get it from SUPER::new17:43
+MrHairgreasei know17:43
+MrHairgreasebut i tried that too17:43
+MrHairgreaseeven stranger17:43
+MrHairgreasethe session accessor of the super class didn't work17:44
+MrHairgreasei can imagine that the proeprties in the subclass aren't being p[rocess correctly17:44
@Haargsession is defined as private17:44
+MrHairgreasebut it used to be readonly17:45
+MrHairgreaseand then it didn't work17:45
+MrHairgreaseI made a session sub doing what it's supposed to17:45
+MrHairgreaseso i changed to private for the tim ebeing 17:45
+MrHairgreaseeven if I put session on readonly again and remove all the C::IO stuff from WG::Chart::ChartMagick17:50
+MrHairgreasethe session accessor isn't being generated17:50
+MrHairgreaseit's weird17:50
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@Haargi'm not really sure - nothing stands out17:52
+MrHairgreaseyeah i know17:52
@Haargi'd have to actually run the code17:53
+MrHairgreasei've used C::IO on numerous occasions17:53
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+MrHairgreaseand never had problems like this17:53
+MrHairgreasethanks for thinking along though17:53
CIA-46WebGUI: martin * r9458 /experimental/ChartMagick/ (27 files in 13 dirs): Fixes plus wg integration. Not yet functional!17:56
+MrHairgreaseFrom a utility script it seems to work18:00
+MrHairgreasebut from apache not so much18:00
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+perlDreamerMrHairgrease, that sounds like the caching problem that we found, where forked processes didn't play well with one another.18:19
+perlDreamerBut C::IO has proven pretty impervious to that in the past18:19
+perlDreamerand the Shop seems to work well...18:19
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+MrHairgreaseI'm totally out of ideas18:20
+MrHairgreasewhen I do it from a util script it works fine18:20
+MrHairgreasebut when I run it from the poll it doesn't at all18:20
+MrHairgreasewhile using the exact same contruction and config hash18:20
+MrHairgreaseit's extra frustrating b/c i wanted to finish the wg part before I go skiing18:21
+MrHairgreaseie. today18:21
+MrHairgreasebut that's not gonna happen anymore18:22
+MrHairgreasedue to this stupid problem18:22
+MrHairgreaseI'm totally convinced it is this really stupid little typo or what ever18:22
+perlDreamerif that is so, then the problem is in the utility script vs the Poll, and not the Chart18:23
+perlDreamersince it works in one, and not the other18:23
+MrHairgreaseone runs in apache an the other doesn't18:23
+MrHairgreasei know something18:23
+MrHairgreasei'll try it from a macro18:24
+perlDreamerI have it on the best of authority that you know quite a bit18:24
+MrHairgreaseright now i know i'm frustrated18:24
+MrHairgreasegetting aggravated even18:24
+MrHairgreaseit's that joeri's feeding me beers18:24
+perlDreamerEspecially in the areas of programming, semiconductor physics and fabrication, and personal grooming.18:24
+MrHairgreaseor else... =)18:24
+perlDreamerdid you see the nasty bug that I found last night?18:25
elninogood morning all - when it takses FOEVER to wreservice --stop spectre, that's bad right? anything I should look at?18:27
+MrHairgreaseno dice on the macro18:28
+MrHairgreaseI literally copy/pasted the working code from the util script into a macro18:28
+BartJolforever is a long time, relatively18:28
+MrHairgreaseperldreamer: what nasty bug18:28
+MrHairgreaseI've been buried in work18:28
elninoprobably going on a minute now..18:29
+MrHairgreaseand I unfortunately haven't been able to keep up with webgui the way  i used too18:29
+MrHairgreaseelnino: that's too long18:29
elninoI know!18:29
+MrHairgreasedunno what the problem is though18:29
elninokill it or wait?18:29
+MrHairgreasetry killing it18:29
+MrHairgreasejames bond kill spectre al the time18:30
+MrHairgreaseand if james bond does it, it must be good =)18:30
elninothat's right.18:31
elninoDoes wremonitor keep trying to restart it?18:31
+MrHairgreasethink so18:31
+MrHairgreaseis your spectre showing this behaviour occasionally18:32
elninoso is there a way to stop wremonitor? I  haven't seen any options for wreservice to stop wremonitor.18:32
+perlDreamerMrHairgrease: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/968618:32
+MrHairgreasehaarg or perldreamer: when's teh 7.7 codefreeze18:32
+BartJolit's a cron right?18:32
+MrHairgreasewremonitor should be run by cron yes18:33
+BartJolso comment it in your cronfile18:33
+perlDreamer7.7 hasn't branched yet, so it will be months from now18:33
+perlDreamerisn't it on the schedule page?18:33
+MrHairgreasedidn't know there was one =)18:33
+MrHairgreasenice bug =)18:34
elninohttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9686 - no, I don't do packaging.  sorry.18:34
elninobut my machines slows down to a crawl probably once a month.18:35
elninoor two.18:35
+MrHairgreasehey perldreamer, as a testing guru, do you have any suggestions for writing test for image magick base modules?18:35
+perlDreamerAs a matter of fact, I do :)18:35
+perlDreamerI wrote an image test18:35
+MrHairgreaseelnino, because of spectre?18:35
+perlDreamernow, where was it...18:35
elninoWell, as a matter of fact, yes. I did some screen shots of before and after ps aux18:36
elninoand spectre was at 58.6 for memory.18:36
elninoafter I killled it and restarted everything, it's at18:36
+MrHairgreaseit seems something's leaking18:37
elninoI'd say.18:37
+MrHairgreaseor that you have very little memory18:37
elninothat too.18:37
+MrHairgreasemaybe some workflow instances are roorring or waiting and cause the leak18:37
+MrHairgreasehave you tried running spectre with --run --debug?18:37
elninono, should I do that before or after killing it?18:39
+BartJolit can be that the spectre settings aren't optimised, Koen did that once, and I've been searching for hours18:39
+MrHairgreaseperldreamer: nice one18:39
+BartJolwhile no daemon is running18:39
+BartJolspectre daemon18:40
+MrHairgreaseyou are the true testing guru18:40
+BartJoland of course run it from WebGUI/sbin, not wre/sbin/wreservice.pl18:41
elninothank you I ckeep forgetting where that is...18:44
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+MrHairgreaseperlDreamer: http://images.straus.nl/skigebieden/frankrijk/legrandmassif.groot.jpg18:44
+MrHairgreasethat's where I go tomorrow!18:44
elninois there a way to tput the output of --debug into a file, so I don't have to stare at the screen? I'm seeing nothing allarming, and if I think I do, it zooms past..18:46
elninocan I > to a file?18:46
* elnino tries18:46
elninooh good!18:47
+perlDreamerMrHairgrease, looks like tons of fun.18:47
+perlDreamerI haven't been skiing in 10 years18:47
* elnino gets smart and puts it in background...18:47
+perlDreamerelnino, command | tee file is good, too18:47
+perlDreamerthen you get redirection and realtime watching at the same time18:48
+MrHairgreaseI'm a big proponent of the idea to move the wuc to Februari or march and to Vail or Aspen18:48
elninoooohh. nice18:48
+MrHairgreaseand only have one session a day18:48
+MrHairgreasefor three weeks18:48
+MrHairgreaseanyway. I'll have to go to the bar with Bart18:50
+MrHairgreasese you guy in a week or so18:51
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+BartJolelnino: it seems I have to drink beer, good luck with the debug output18:53
elninoThanks.. I had an error in one config file, but that's fixed.18:53
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+perlDreamerHaarg, found the double import bug.19:22
+perlDreamerWhen it updates an existing asset, with an open version tag, it sets the status to the status from the package, which is approved.19:23
+perlDreamerbut the asset had isLockedBy set from the original import19:23
+perlDreamerwhen the version tag is committed, it only looks for assets that need to be committed.19:24
+perlDreamersince there aren't any, it doesn't reset isLockedBy and whammo19:24
+perlDreamerpermanently locked assets19:24
+perlDreameralso, while digging around, I noticed that the version tags created on site creation aren't locked.  I don't know if that's a problem or not.19:24
@Haargi'll check on that19:29
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I have a fix, but I'm having a hard time getting my head around the downstream consequences.20:15
+perlDreamerThis is how I did it.20:15
+perlDreamerIf the exact same revision of the asset exists, then it does not import the new asset status from the package.20:15
+perlDreamerAssetPackage, line 15020:16
+perlDreamerthe problem is the stuff down below that, where it checks the status of the incoming package and assigns a version tag to pending assets.  That will no longer be needed.20:17
+perlDreamerIt changes how the import works now, where you can import stuff that hasn't been committed and it will create a version tag so it can be committed.20:18
+perlDreamerI've thought it through, and don't see any problems with the change.20:18
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CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9459 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm): Remove trailing comma in Shop/Transaction JS so IE6 works.20:59
CIA-46WebGUI: bernd * r9460 /translations/German/German/ (9 files): Account_<something>.pm modules completed to 100%. Hover help and template documentation still requires some polishing.20:59
+perlDreameruh oh21:00
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bernd__Someone particular responsible for the translation server?21:03
+perlDreamerAnyone from Plain Black, but Haarg in particular.21:03
bernd__Haarg, it seems that I caused a conflict.21:04
bernd__Account_Friends.pm is the evil one.21:04
+perlDreamerhow about committing the inverse of the patch back to the repo?21:04
bernd__Do you have a commandline for doing that?21:04
bernd__You mean committing the previous version?21:05
+perlDreamerfirst, you would do21:06
+perlDreamersvn merge -c -946021:07
+perlDreamerthen svn commit21:07
+perlDreamerIn merge, when the revision number is negative, it does the opposite of the original21:07
bernd__Ok, let me check.21:07
bernd__Need to change the train first!21:09
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CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9461 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Prevent an imported package from changing the a current asset's status from pending to anything else.21:27
CIA-46WebGUI: bernd * r9462 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm:21:27
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+perlDreamerCongratulation on your PBWG, danny_mk!21:32
+perlDreamerpreaction_ or somebody needs to give you voice status21:32
danny_mkHey thanks!21:32
danny_mkI have been working on that YUI date picket macro21:33
danny_mkit is working quite well, however the validation is giving me a bit of a headache21:33
* perlDreamer has a profound fear and lack of knowledge of javascript21:34
* danny_mk appreciates perlDreamer's fears :-)21:35
danny_mkI am trying to get some time to write tests before the next WUC for the Auth::OpenId module but my boss is really on my ass21:36
@preaction_danny_mk: you'll need to register your nickname on freenode in order for me to voice you. /msg nickserv help register <- for more information21:36
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+perlDreamerbernd__, did you catch the train?21:41
bernd__Yes. But I was not able to solve the problem.21:41
bernd__Probably used the wrong revision.21:42
+perlDreamerIs there wifi on the train?21:42
+perlDreameror do you use a GSM modem?21:42
bernd__No, it's UMTS or GPRS depending on the net available.21:42
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bernd__I think, I will have to wait for Haarg to fix it.21:43
bernd__Going to submit a bug report.21:43
bernd__And and RFE to make the translation server bullet proof.21:43
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+perlDreamerthat's going to be one tough RFE21:47
bernd__Then Bernd proof only.21:47
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+perlDreamerBernd's power far exceeds that of any paltry code that we could put in the server.21:51
bernd__Too much honor.21:52
* danny_mk has to find a job where he codes in Perl 100% of the time22:00
bernd__Wouldn't that get boring after while?22:01
deafferretnever  :)22:01
+danny_mknot really, I am exhausted of jumping between all these languages22:01
+perlDreamereven in WebGUI, you have to do HTML, CSS, SQL and JS22:01
+danny_mkI am quickly learning to hate c++ with a passion22:01
+perlDreamerI'm starting to think there are no any pure perl jobs22:01
+perlDreamerIt's like pure math22:01
deafferretoh. ya. good luck getting away from html/css/sql/xml/js22:01
bernd__What's wrong with C++?22:02
* deafferret chokes22:02
+danny_mkthe guy that wrote this application was a "structured" cut and paste programmer22:02
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9463 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 22:02
CIA-46WebGUI: i18n the image labels and title for the asset manager, manage screen.22:02
CIA-46WebGUI: Also, display the username instead of the userId.22:02
+danny_mkhe died from cancer a few weeks ago and my boss now expects me to maintain all this shit!22:03
bernd__Good Luck.22:03
bernd__I hope that C++ wasn't causing the cancer.22:03
+danny_mkI rewrote one of his "utilities" in Perl, Perl (1.5 pages) c++ (12 pages)22:04
+danny_mk12 second difference22:04
bernd__Which one faster?22:04
+danny_mkc++ of course22:04
+danny_mkbut when my boss saw the difference he was very impressed and he finally gave Perl some credit22:05
bernd__Have fun rewriting everything.22:05
+danny_mkhey guess what, do you know how they troubleshoot problems here?  They run the entire application through ddd every time to find problems22:06
+danny_mkc++, c debugger22:06
bernd__Stupid question: is it possible to debug perl?22:07
+perlDreamerperl -d22:07
deafferretLog::Log4perl is also your friend22:07
bernd__But does not work with mod_perl, I assume?22:07
+perlDreamerno, you can make it work with mod_perl, too22:07
bernd__So, how can I debug an asset or a macro?22:08
deafferretor use Catalyst, which comes with it's own dev server that's easy to perl -d22:08
+danny_mkCatalyst rocks!  22:08
+perlDreamerbernd__: I think your back button bug really is an RFE.22:10
bernd__Do you have permissions to move it?22:11
+perlDreamerNo, but I'll speak of those so gifted.22:11
+perlDreamerwith those22:11
bernd__perlDreamer, we have a strange pagination bug on our site.22:12
bernd__It's an article asset.22:12
+perlDreamerwhich version?22:12
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bernd__Is it known?22:13
+perlDreamerthere were some pagination bugs fixed a little while ago, in 7.622:13
bernd__The page URLs all look like http://www.klettern-md.de/home/geschichten/frankreich-2008/michas-reisetagebuch?pn-_Mg=222:13
bernd__I assume it should be ?pn=222:13
+perlDreamerwell, maybe22:13
bernd__What would be correct then.22:13
+perlDreamerif there are multiple paginated articles on a page, then sometimes they leak to one another.22:14
+perlDreamerso an attempt was made to make them unique for each article22:14
bernd__Ah, there is a CS on the same page layout having multiple pages.22:15
bernd__Anything I can do?22:15
+perlDreamerwhat is the bug that you're seeing?22:15
+perlDreamerjust the funny URL, or is it behaving badly?22:15
bernd__I cannot select other pages than the first.22:18
+perlDreamerany error messages in the log?22:19
bernd__Not sure. But I cannot check at the moment. My connection is too slow for accessing the server.22:20
bernd__I am going to check when I am home and submit a bug report.22:20
+perlDreamerexcellent, except for 1 thing22:20
+perlDreamerno more bug fixes for 7.5.4022:20
+perlDreameronly for 7.622:21
bernd__I know :-(22:21
bernd__I will never understand that policy.22:21
+perlDreamerit's maintenance overhead22:21
+perlDreameryou can only support FOSS software for so long22:22
+perlDreamerotherwise, JT would be stuck patching 5.522:22
bernd__Yes, but it prevents releases from becoming rock solid.22:22
bernd__Currently, every update causes new problems.22:22
bernd__The pagination used to work in the past.22:22
bernd__That problem must have been introduced only recently.22:22
bernd__That is the whole problem.22:22
+perlDreamerwell, it appears that the fix for a bug introduced another bug22:23
bernd__I keep updating the system and it never gets better.22:23
+perlDreameris this 7.5.40 from a download, or from SVN?22:23
+perlDreamerI'll be back in a bit, going to grab some lunch22:24
bernd__Updated via wre utility scripts.22:24
bernd__That is interesting: when I change to admin mode pagination is working again.22:24
bernd__Guten Appetit!22:24
bernd__danny_mk, I agree that webgui should have a native chat asset.22:25
+danny_mkIf it does not get done before I get to it I will build it, I just have to work on so much other stuff 22:26
bernd__Are you aware of the ShortChat asset in the bazaar?22:26
+danny_mkthere is a simple one out here22:26
bernd__Probably that one.22:26
bernd__Does it still work with 7.6?22:27
+danny_mknot sure, i think there was a presentation done last year for it22:28
@preaction_i did one in 07 that included a very simple chat asset22:29
@preaction_haven't got around to updating it to use the installClass.pl script22:29
+danny_mkWe need one that has user ban list, stealth mode, etc...22:29
bernd__Why not a full IRC client?22:30
bernd__I am using CGI:IRC as a workaround at the moment.22:30
bernd__It is all perl.22:30
bernd__But the code is terrible :-(22:30
+danny_mkI bet :-)22:31
bernd__Why do all perl coders seem to avoid documentation in the code?22:31
bernd__Even webgui devs do...22:31
+danny_mkWell, some of it should be intuitive22:31
+danny_mkhowever, there are some hacks out there that scare me22:31
bernd__It is always only intuitive to the one who wrote it.22:32
bernd__And only for the first three weeks :-)22:32
+danny_mkWebGUI is pretty good22:32
+danny_mkWell, some of it anyway :-)22:33
* danny_mk better shutup before he gets banned22:33
elninolaugh out loud22:34
+danny_mkhey, I would trade Perl code for C++ code right now22:35
+danny_mkI could of had this done months ago22:35
* danny_mk still talking about his current c++ development at his current job22:36
bernd__Ok, I am getting close to my destination.22:40
bernd__Have fun guys!22:40
bernd__And gals, of course.22:40
+danny_mkyou too22:40
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+perlDreamerone of my favorite rizen quotes is:22:41
+perlDreamerWebGUI is a big pile of steaming crap22:42
+perlDreamerBut it's best pile of crap out there22:42
bernd__Hm, wasn't that the iPhoneGuy according to the advertisement?22:43
bernd__I mean, the banner shown on top of webgui.org.22:43
+perlDreamercould be22:43
bernd__I think it was cut out of a chat conversation.22:45
bernd__Really need to go now. Bye!22:45
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@preaction_yeah, that was maxscience/iPhoneGuy22:46
+perlDreamerrizen thought he had a third alias, too22:47
@preaction_yeah, i think it's something like rubyDreamer or something22:48
@preaction_pythonDreamer maybe?22:48
@preaction_no, it's c#Dreamer22:48
+danny_mkmaybe groovyDreamer22:50
+perlDreamerpreaction_: on the bug board, we also need a promote to bug and demote to RFE feature, so I don't have to pester you guys all the time22:50
@preaction_IF I HAD MY WAY... HelpDesk would have bugs and rfes in the same thing22:51
@preaction_the default view would show only bugs assigned to WebGUI stable and beta projects22:52
@preaction_and etc...22:52
+perlDreamerisn't that like getting peanut butter in your chocolate, and chocolate in your peanut butter22:52
@preaction_i don't think that's a bad thing!22:54
+perlDreamerpreaction_: how about if you take me under your wing and help me fix the datatable bug?23:02
@preaction_there is no datatable bug, it's a datatable feature23:03
@preaction_what's the feature?23:03
+perlDreamerthe one where you can enter dates but they show up as NaN/NaN/NaN in the table23:03
+perlDreamerI guess those are covert dates23:04
@preaction_can't have everyone knowing our SEKIRT PLAN23:04
@preaction_perlDreamer: the datatable is stored as JSON in the database, what do date columns look like?23:05
+perlDreameryou want an in-channel paste, or a pastebin?23:06
+perlDreamerit's _just_ 1 line23:06
+perlDreamerthat's 160 characters long ;)23:06
@preaction_pastebin... it's one BIG line...23:07
@preaction_you jerk23:07
@preaction_that's what i call you because that's what you are!23:07
@preaction_uh... there's no values23:08
+perlDreameryou asked for a column23:08
@preaction_that's the entire json in that datatable?23:08
@preaction_oh, sorry23:09
+perlDreamerno, just the 1 column23:09
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@preaction_MY BAD, GOD23:09
@preaction_uh, i mean, what do the values look like?23:09
@preaction_the combine is sending gunships after me, so i'm a little on-edge23:09
+perlDreamerno need to tell God, he already knows23:09
@preaction_thats kinda weird really23:11
+perlDreamerwhen you choose the date from the date selector, it looks fine23:11
+perlDreamerbut after you hit save, the view display is NaN, and when you re-edit, it's NaN23:11
@preaction_my next idea would be to step through the YUI DataTable initialization process (specifically the date formatter, YAHOO.format.Date i believe23:12
@preaction_it seems the Date picker is setting a value the Date formatter doesn't understand23:12
+perlDreamerah, but when it's first added, it's fine23:12
+perlDreamerso I'm guessing it's the parse23:12
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juan1i have some sites in 7.4.40 and in them i have some problems with accents or data codification23:24
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juan1i upgrade to 7.5 can i fix this problems23:25
juan1apache2 has some settings related to codification23:26
deafferret /win 423:31
deafferretoops. sorry23:31
elninonot quite sure what the question is juan123:32
@Haargit sounds like you are talking about character encoding problems juan1 23:35
@Haargthey should be all resolved in WebGUI 7.523:36
juan1character encoding problems23:44
juan1i had the sites 7.4.40 with problems23:45
juan1now i upgraded to 7.5 and the problems continues23:45
juan1i have mysql in utf823:49
@preaction_juan1: make sure you're using the latest 7.523:49
juan1i am in 75.2023:50
@preaction_that is pretty old23:52
juan1i am going to upgrade to 7.5.4023:53
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juan1now the site is 7.5.40 and the problems continues00:02
@Haargwhat kind of problems are they?00:02
juan1character encoding problems00:02
@Haargyes... need a bit more to go on00:03
@Haargwhere are you seeing the problems?00:03
@Haargwhat kind of assets?00:03
+perlDreamerjuan1, can you share a URL with us?00:04
juan1what else have i to do?00:04
juan1the thing is that i have a backup of one site that i have in production00:05
juan1i am going to send you the link of the site in 7.4.4000:06
juan1but the problems are the same00:06
juan1in the same assets00:06
elninojuan1, Somehere in the upgrade, there was a bug fix for encoded characters. I was affected by this too.00:08
elninoI don't remember which version it was. But the squares was a result.00:08
juan1no, all the upgrade was sucessfull00:08
elninoyes, but during the upgrade, one of the bug fixes applied to one of the versions addressed an issue with data in the database.00:09
elninoand the data in the database was changed either to a different datatype or encoding, which resulted in changing your data - hence the boxes with ? marks in them00:09
elninoI'm doing a terrible job explaining this, but I think it was perlDreamer or preation_ that explained it to me last.00:10
+perlDreamerprobably preaction_ or Haarg.00:10
elninoIt is proably mentioned in the gotchas.00:10
elninobut basically, webgui tried their best in retaining the encoding, but there were characters they didn't know what to do with.00:11
elninothe result is what you see. I had to go modify all my data.00:11
elninomost of the time, it was just a matter of resaving the data,00:11
elninoother times, I had to modify the data in the asset.00:11
elninolike I said, I'm doing a terrible job explaining it.00:12
juan1i understand you but edit every data with problems when you have many assets specially CS is a large task00:14
@Haargin 7.4 and prior, the data was being stored incorrectly in the database.  sometimes it would work, but other times it caused problems.  we tried to fix this in 7.5, but the conversion wasn't perfect.  it wasn't always possible to tell what form the data in the database was to begin with.00:15
juan1if you upgrade and continues the data problems you have to fixed manually00:17
@Haargwhat was the upgrade path you followed?00:18
juan17.4.40 to 7.5.2000:18
@Haargyou said you are on 7.5.20 right now, what were you running prior to that?00:18
juan17.5.20 to 7.5.4000:18
juan1was the process correct?00:19
@Haargyes, i'm just verifying something00:19
@Haargwas just making sure you didn't get hit with a separate issue, but you wouldn't have00:21
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elninoanyone have svn and webgui wre installed together?04:13
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elninoanyone have two instances of mysql on a single server? I didn't see a wiki on it. I suspect that after I install wre, I can start up my 'first' instance of mysql without a problem?04:29
jmarsdenelnino: You would need to make sure each instance of MySQL bound to different TCP ports or to different (local) IP addresses if you have multiple IPs/interfcaes on your server.04:38
elninook. Thanks! I assume that bugzilla and subversion will let me do that.  I'm trying to read up on those before committing to the gig.04:39
jmarsdenI don't understand... you mean, you want to configure bugzilla and subversion to use one instance of mysql, and webgui to use a different one.  Sounds doable... but why do you need to do it?04:40
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jmarsdenThey won't use the same databases anyway.04:41
elninono, I believe his setup is that bugzilla and subversion are using different databases. I thought he said they both use mysql. Maybe only one of them does.04:41
elninoanyway, depending on what he has, I would combine them, but I dont' know enough about bugzilla and svn yet.04:42
jmarsdenDifferent databases != different instances of mysql.  You can have one mysql daemon that hosts hundreds of databases... I have one like that on a server I manage...04:42
elninoI know.04:42
elninothey already exist and have an instance of mysql running, I'm adding webgui to the system.04:43
elninoso iether I move those databases into webgui's instance, or leave as is and adjust the ports.04:43
elninofor the two software.04:44
elninoI have a feeling he alredy has two instances of mysql installed, but i'm not sure.04:44
jmarsdenOK, so just point webgui to use that existing instance... why create a new mysql instance just for webgui??04:44
elninoso webgui would be a third.04:44
elninobecause I don'tknow howto do that with wre =)04:44
elninoI'd rather move those two to wre's instance, rather than moving webgui's database to their instance.. 04:45
jmarsdenWhy do you need the separation of multiple instances... oh.  It must configure the database params somewhere... I'd either use a source tarball webgui install, or else kill the WRE MYSQL and point webgui at the existing mysql... but that's just me.04:45
elninoyes, wre actually installs mysql in it's "space"04:46
* jmarsden is uncomfortable with the whole WRE approach of "do everything yourself all over again even if the system already does it"... but that's a philosophy issue!04:46
elninoI was like you jmarsden.04:46
jmarsdenSo... what made you "see the WRE light"?04:47
elninobut when you hand over a system to someone else, wre is TONS easier to maintain. I've done the source install, and I don't know if I'd ever recommend it again. You are probably more of a hacker than I care to be.04:47
elninoit took me 2 weeks to do. I had a 64-bit system that wasn't supported back then runnin suse and it was a bear.04:48
jmarsdenThat's probably true... I am a sysadmin/netadmin mostly and have been doing that for 20+ years...04:48
elninoit prbably wasn't just webgui, but everything I needed to install was buggy let alone I had hardware isssues too that I didn't know about04:48
elninoI don't have 20 yeras under my belt yet.. getting there...04:48
jmarsdenHopefully in future you can do the Ubuntu package install and get the best of both worlds: easy webgui install plus use the stuff the system proves :)04:48
elninoand it's not sysadmin. It's programing.04:49
elninoI had a newwork guy that did all that for me.  =)04:49
elninoI thought ubuntu was a dev version of something else.04:50
jmarsdenNo, Ubuntu is a Linux distro the same way Fedora or Debian or SuSE or Mandriva are.04:50
elninojust to be sure.. wre sometimes gets a little too smart for itself, and can cause problems 04:50
elninohmmm. i know there's something out there, that is related to another distro, one's the dev, and the other is more for production and they have different names.. can't think. 04:51
elninoso many out there.04:51
jmarsdenI need to look at it more closely; I took one look at WRE, basically, went "ewwww", and chose the source tarball :)04:51
jmarsdenFedora can be considered the dev version for RHEL, in some ways.04:52
elninolol I did the exact opposit.04:52
elninomaybe that's the two.04:52
* jmarsden decides to create a virtual server this evening just to install WRE and see what it really looks like... :)04:56
@Haargelnino, it's pretty simple to configure the wre to use the system's mysql04:57
elninoit's got some nice utilities.  Upgrades takes 10mins or so. I may look at the source install when I recover from 4 years ago.  =)04:57
elninoI'm listening Haarg.04:57
elninodo I just kill it and adjust the config?04:57
@Haargwell, you can set the db information in the wre.conf file04:58
@Haargand just never start the wre's mysql after getting it installed04:58
@Haargmysql is the simplest part to use the system's version of04:58
elninodoes the wreservice "know" that I'm using the system's mysql?04:58
@Haargit wouldn't04:59
elninook. so don't do "all"04:59
@Haargbut that's usually never needed anyway04:59
elninoI'll commit it out.04:59
elninoHaarg, i'm writting a VERY simple/high level wiki.   are there any startup scripts in wre that would need to be disabled?05:05
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elninoHaarg, what about perl.. I believe either subversion or bugzilla uses perl...should I modify the conf as if I was following the source install instrcutions (which I've done before)05:29
+perlDreamerdoes anybody have a good maultaschen recipe?05:33
+perlDreamerwhere good = not much spinach05:34
elninoyou mean Spaetzle05:34
+perlDreameroh no, Spaetzle we have covered05:35
elninooh, this is filled pasta.  are you german.05:35
+perlDreamerNo, but my wife wants to be05:35
+perlDreamerShe's reading over my shoulder, she says Hi!05:35
elninoI could ask my mom....it's still early.05:36
elninoshe's bound to have german recipies.05:36
+perlDreamerYour mom?  She's german?  And Schwabish?05:36
elninoshe's 100% german.  makeing me half.05:36
elninomy dad, well, the other half of me is mutt.05:36
+perlDreamerKathy spent a year on exchange in Germany while she was in college.05:37
+perlDreameri had to chase her across the Atlantic ocean twice!05:37
elninoAnd you won!05:38
+perlDreamerLucky man that I am.05:38
+perlDreamerFortunately for me, Portland is large enough that is sports a few German deli's and restaurants.05:38
+perlDreamerso we can get ingredients and stuff that are hard to find over here05:39
elninoI'm on the phone with my mom. She doesn't have a recipe, but she knows someone that might. When do you need it by?05:39
+perlDreamerNo rush.  Several weeks would be great05:39
+perlDreamerWe just found out tonight that the boys will eat it.05:40
+perlDreamerSo now if we can make it from scratch, we can have it more often.05:40
+perlDreamerPlease tell you mom and her friend that I owe them one.05:40
+perlDreamerso if they ever need WebGUI help, perl programming, etc.  I've got it covered.05:40
jmarsdenperlDreamer: http://www.chefkoch.de/rs/s0/maultaschen/Rezepte.html has 147 Maultaschen recipies... good enough?05:41
+perlDreamerawesome quantity, but tried and true always helps05:41
+perlDreamermaybe we could swap your mom for a recipe05:42
+perlDreamerDoes she like breakfast cookies?05:42
elninoyou think that I would have more time on my hands, but I seem to be spending as much time on the computer as I did working =(05:44
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elninoi would liked to have tried that recipe by now05:47
+perlDreamerOther things came up05:49
+perlDreamerBesides we had it for 15 years before we tried to make any05:49
+perlDreamerYou've only had it for a week.05:49
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elninoDid Kathy just sign on?06:00
+perlDreamershe's had an account for a while06:05
+perlDreamerbut she's not on very often06:05
elninoYou know, the comment I made about my dad, that didn't sound too good, did it? ... He has a lot of nationalities, that's what I meant. It could have been taken a very wrong way in many ways.06:09
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daviddelikatany body know how to create a 'help desk'17:14
daviddelikatwhat item on the 'new content' admin menu is used?17:14
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CIA-46WebGUI: jt * r9467 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 23:53
CIA-46WebGUI: - Added a switch to allow the use of non-WebGUI objects with the Workflow23:53
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elninoafter my last spell of seeing spectre using 58% of my memory, I decided to watch it a little closer.05:19
elninoevery hour it increases about 1.5 when viewing it via ps aux05:20
elninothen I started seeing two of them.05:20
elninoSo first question, what would cause two of them to appear?05:20
elninorunning 7.5.2405:20
elninowith 8.5 wre (I believe)05:21
@preaction_elnino: two of them because one can't be killed by the wremonitor (the one that is growing out of control)05:43
elninook.  thanks05:43
elninoI'm thinking I should restart the spectre service every night.05:43
elninothat way it doesn't have a chance to grow. I really don't know how to even start looking to see why it's growing over time... =(05:46
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elninohi patspam06:25
patspamhi elnino!06:25
elninojust waking up?06:25
patspamheh i wish, 3:30pm over here :)06:25
elninoI thought you were 12 hours diff06:26
patspamwhich tz are you in?06:26
elninoI guess it's only 7 hours.06:27
patspamah ok.. cst is UTC-606:27
patspamI'm in EST which is UTC+1006:27
+Radix-wrk1:26pm here06:27
elninowhere are you radix-wrk?06:28
+Radix-wrkOpposite side of australia to patspam ;)06:28
+Radix-wrkWest Coast06:28
patspamnice and far away from the bushfires!06:28
+Radix-wrkWe get enough here too usually.. but yeah.. you guys are having a hard time atm :(06:29
elninoniether of you have much of an accent.  =)06:29
+Radix-wrkirc accents.. yeah, that's something that'd be interesting..06:29
elninocan't be too far away, record your voice, and the computer can read the words in your tone... 06:35
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elninohey preaction_, do you see an issues of me restartn gmy spectre everynight so it doesn't grow too big over time?  I don't know how to even start looking to see why it grows over time. unless you do.07:09
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wgGuest93SOMEBODY HERE09:26
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zylopfaAnyone familar with the payment driver api?15:19
ryuu_rokind of, what are you looking for?15:19
zylopfaI am creating a driver for a danish payment provider (the one banks also use)15:20
zylopfaProblem with this is that you don't get a "postback' when the users subscription needs to be renewed15:20
zylopfaYou should handling the "re-authorization" yourself, the provider dont do this15:20
ryuu_royeah, that's sounds like a familair problem15:21
zylopfaSo I have to create "workflows" on the run, whenever i get a subscriber15:21
zylopfaIt will be a lot of workflows like this :(15:22
ryuu_rodo you know how often a subscription needs to be renewed?15:22
zylopfaWill that not be a major ressource hog?15:22
ryuu_roevery three months or so?15:22
zylopfaEvery month or so15:22
zylopfabut its the sku that should define that15:23
zylopfaso its different from what sku you have15:23
ryuu_rook, so every evening/night you wan't to run a workflow to check for the subscriptons15:23
ryuu_roand for how many users?15:23
zylopfaahh yeah good idea15:23
zylopfait should scale very good15:23
zylopfaI have no users atm but i plan for it to be used with thousands of users15:24
ryuu_rook, at this moment we run workflows every night that process about 50.000 thousand users15:24
zylopfaI can check the users every day which are in the group for the sku's15:24
zylopfacause the sku's for recurring define what group users should be in15:25
zylopfayeah ryuu_ro i should make 1 workflow for this15:25
ryuu_roit takes up to half an hour on the most complex workflows15:25
zylopfaI want it to make the workflow dynamically15:25
zylopfaso other users can use my module easy15:25
zylopfaso they dont have to worry about creating workflows or setting them up15:25
ryuu_rook, well that sounds good :)15:26
zylopfaIts the major danish payment provider i make it for15:26
zylopfathey are in charge of clearing all creditcards in denmark15:26
ryuu_rowhich one is that? In holland we have Ogone15:26
zylopfaall other providers go through this company also banks15:26
zylopfaPBS its called15:26
ryuu_rook, thats cool15:27
zylopfaBanks Payment Serivces its called if you translate it15:27
zylopfaIts also the entity that own the danish credit card the "Dankort"15:27
zylopfaryuu_ro, thanks a lot for helping me clear this out15:28
ryuu_rono problem! Good luck with creating the workflow15:28
zylopfathanks a lot!15:28
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SDuensinHello all.18:10
+perlDreamerhowdy, SDuensin18:12
* SDuensin is still alive out here. Just damn busy.18:13
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CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9468 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm): Fix bad form variable for phone number in EMS Badge address info.19:22
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CIA-46WebGUI: yung * r9469 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixed Matrix best/worst rated lists19:55
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+perlmonkey2err, what's broken when the asset manager isn't showing any assets?20:06
+perlmonkey2and Haarg that tmpl editor function for wgd is incredibly useful.20:07
+perlmonkey2ah, nevermind, it is of course a domain name issue.20:09
* perlDreamer heads to the office. bbiaw20:24
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+perlDreamercan someone with a Safari browser please try to duplicate this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/910721:05
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ryuu_roperlDreamer: works for me21:14
+perlDreamerthat's what I want to hear21:14
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9470 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Prefill in the email address in the ITransact credentials form from the user's Shop address.21:20
+perlmonkey2Haarg: in 7.6 does the wgd edittmpl have problems if there is nothing in the head tag for you?21:50
@Haargare you using edittmpl?21:51
@rizengit sucks21:51
@Haargi haven't actually used the command much myself21:51
@rizengit requires more work21:51
@rizengit is less safe21:51
@rizenand Haarg likes git21:51
@rizenso that makes it doubly worse21:52
@Haargbut in the latest version that command is just called 'edit'21:52
+perlmonkey2Haarg: yep21:52
+perlDreamerrizen, git is like a very large, very sharp +5 battle axe of code management21:53
+perlDreamerit must be swung very carefully21:53
+perlDreamerotherwise, you can chop off your own legs and bleed to death in a frenzy of version control21:54
+perlmonkey2Haarg: ah, looks like whatever was wrong is fixed in the latest21:54
+perlmonkey2thanks :)21:54
+perlDreamerbut when facing monsters, it is your best friend21:54
@rizenperlDreamer: if git and svn were in a fight, git might be able to slice svn in half, but svn would win because it could stab git in the belly before git even got moving21:55
zylopfaI am having some interesting problems with my payment driver21:56
+perlDreamerbring it on, zylopfa21:56
zylopfaok here it is: the payment gateway i code against does not post back when a recurring payment is due21:57
zylopfayou have to do it yourself in webgui code21:57
+perlDreamerthen you need a workflow21:57
+perlDreameror, even better, a cron job21:57
zylopfaall the payment gateway do is save the creditcard data for later deduction21:58
zylopfayeah but my real problem is this21:58
zylopfaI made an initial transaction for the recurring subscription21:58
zylopfaand the subscriber has been put in the group SubscriberGroup21:58
zylopfathis is good so far21:58
+perlDreameruh oh21:58
+perlDreamerthere's a "but"21:59
zylopfanow i need to create a daily that checks the SubscriberGroup's members, transaction ( the initial one)21:59
zylopfaand make a new transaction using the id of the initial transaction21:59
zylopfabut i dont know how this is done best22:00
zylopfai mean i need relations from "SubscriberGroup" => these users transactions, that put them in this group22:00
zylopfaI dont know how i do this22:01
+perlDreamerit sounds like you need a separate table22:01
+perlDreamerthat records userIds and transactions22:01
zylopfadamn, thats not so pro when i want to make a payment driver for webgui22:01
+perlDreameralso, for ease, expiration dates22:01
+perlDreamerwell, if the system stores credit card data, that's another problem22:01
zylopfamy system doesnt22:02
+perlDreamerI think it is forbidden for core code to store credit card data22:02
zylopfait only store original transaction id22:02
+perlDreameroh, that's okay then22:02
zylopfaand from that you can draw more money from the card22:02
+perlDreamerthat's the same thing, then22:02
zylopfaI can make the first transactions fine, but i have problem making subsequent ones22:02
zylopfacause i cant find a query that can do it22:02
+perlDreamerthat's what building the 2nd table would get you22:03
+perlDreamerin my opinion, anyway22:03
zylopfaperlDreamer, but no creditcard data is on my system its in the paymentgateways system22:03
+perlDreamerI understand, zylopfa22:03
zylopfaI wanted to make it easy like this: subscribers gets added to "Subscribers" group and a workflow is executed when they expire22:04
zylopfathis workflow then initiates recurring payments based on original transactionid 22:04
@rizenHaarg is a complainer22:05
+perlDreamerrizen, are you sure you're not confusing Haarg with me?22:05
zylopfabut i guess its better to create a table with "current recurring subscriptions"22:05
@rizenturns out Haarg has vanity issues22:06
+perlDreamerzylopfa, a separate table is very clear.22:06
* perlDreamer staunchly defends Haarg22:06
+perlDreamerand reminds rizen that we had similar problems switching from CVS to SVN22:07
@rizeni should also mention that Haarg is a purist22:07
+perlDreamerif we switch git, it will be the last version control system we use ever!22:07
+perlDreamerfor at least two years22:07
zylopfaperlDreamer, if i want this driver to be included in webgui isn't it stupid to use none core things? like adding new tables to the shop thing?22:07
@rizenwhich makes him not only elitest but exclusionary22:07
@rizenwhich goes against the principals of open source22:08
+perlDreamerzylopfa, adding new tables is not a problem22:08
+perlDreamerjust manage them well22:08
zylopfathe payment driver is pretty complex when you have to take care of the recurring things yourself22:08
zylopfaITransact dont have to do that22:08
+perlDreamerif it really bothers you, you could run through the entire transaction table and manually check for the data22:08
zylopfaeither does Paypal22:08
+perlDreamerbut wow, that's a lot of work22:08
zylopfayeah but the Subscriptions has different revisions22:09
zylopfawell i make the extra table22:09
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zylopfaThe gateway i program to uses SOAP22:10
zylopfaperlDreamer, when i have made this PayDriver, the PayPal one will be piece of cake22:11
+perlDreamercool.  I might have been able to pick up a customer if WebGUI had a PayPal plugin22:12
+perlDreamerso the sooner it is done, the better22:12
zylopfaok i will make it very soon then22:12
+perlDreamerthey went with a dotNetNuke site22:12
zylopfaand with recurring and all the stuff it support22:12
+perlDreamerand it is dog slow22:12
zylopfaperlDreamer, can i ask some other things22:13
+perlDreamerrizen: we can forgive him his puritanical ways, he drinks dark beer, hacks perl and builds beautiful tools22:13
+perlDreamerzylopfa, you may always ask22:13
+perlDreamerno need to ask22:13
+perlDreameralthough, I need to leave the coffeeshop soon22:13
+perlDreamer(10 minutes or so)22:14
zylopfawhen you create a Subscription Wobject22:14
zylopfayou have the option to choose subscription period22:14
zylopfabut its limited to 6 presets, like week,2weeks, month, ect.22:15
zylopfacould there be made an alteration to the definition so you can provide the number of days?22:15
zylopfain addition to the presets maybe22:16
zylopfaor should i just create another Subscription module that overrides the definition?22:17
+perlDreamerthat's what I would do22:17
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zylopfayeah me too22:17
zylopfaits fairly easy22:17
+perlDreamerchanges to Shop::Pay.pm would need to supported by all plugins22:17
zylopfayeah true22:17
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zylopfaperlDreamer, but Shop.Pay has nothing to do with the subscription itself22:18
+perlDreamerAsset/Sku/Subscription pulls recurrance data from Shop/Pay.pm22:18
zylopfaits just the amount of time before the user gets removed from the subscription22:18
zylopfaAre you sure perlDreamer ?22:19
+perlDreamervery sure22:19
zylopfaI thought it was like this:22:19
@rizenperlDreamer: i'd like to set a new IRC policy22:19
@rizeninstead of telling people that they don't have to ask to ask22:19
zylopfayeah thats me22:19
+perlDreamerSee line 141 of Asset/Sku/Subscription22:19
@rizensimply say "shoot" or "go" or "do it"22:19
+perlDreamerwill do, rizen22:19
@rizenit's far shorter than all that other nonsense22:19
@rizenand probably less frustrating to the end user22:20
zylopfaPay Subscription => user gets put in group defined in subscription sku 22:20
@rizenperlDreamer: i'm incapable of forgiving haarg because bitching at him about how ridiclous git is, well, it's just too much fun22:20
+perlDreamerwell, far be it from me to deprive you of such fun22:21
zylopfaand they get removed by a workflow that remove users from the groups they expired from22:21
@rizenso to commit instead of doing:22:21
@rizensvn update22:21
metanilWhat factor determines the accessibility of each Admin Console components?22:21
@rizensvn commit -m "something"22:21
@rizeni must do22:21
@rizengit pull origin master22:21
@rizengit commit -a -m "something"22:21
@rizengit push origin22:21
@rizenthat's a lot more typing22:21
@rizeni'm going to be 50% less efficient22:22
@rizenat least until i write the "gitspit" command22:22
@rizenand the "gitsuck" command22:22
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@Haarggit config alias.up 'pull origin master'22:22
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juan1what is the best way to migrate a site between servers?22:23
@bpmedleythat would probably take a support ticket22:23
@Haargonly if it's hosted with us22:23
zylopfajuan1, dump the database 22:24
@Haargand copy the uploads directory22:24
zylopfaand backup the /data tree22:24
zylopfaand copy the data tree to the new server22:24
@Haargyou may or may not need to transfer the config file as well22:24
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zylopfaand load the database back to your mysql there22:24
+perlDreamerHaarg config files would come with /data22:24
bernd_kzperlDreamer, you are wonderful ;-)22:24
bernd_kzThanks for the patch!22:25
+perlDreameryou're welcome, bernd_kz22:25
@Haargif you're only copying one site though22:25
@Haargdoing the entire /data is a bit much22:25
@Haargdepending on your setup of course22:25
+perlDreamerbut it does guarantee that you get exactly the same setup on both sites22:25
@Haargand if the other server needs a different wre etc22:25
zylopfaI have done a lot of copying of sites to other servers22:26
@Haargyou'd likely need to adjust the configs for ip addresses and such22:26
zylopfaboth 1 at a time and whole instalations of sites22:26
zylopfayeah Haarg you need to tune the config files22:26
zylopfaor rather the apache ones22:26
juan1thanks for the suggestions, i am going to follow your instructions22:27
+perlDreamermucho suerte, juan122:27
zylopfajust remember to backup the server you move to22:27
zylopfaif it has webgui sites installed already22:28
zylopfaeven if you think you can do it right, its very not good if you make errors (i did that )22:28
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zylopfaany time22:33
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metanilWhat factor determines the accessibility of each Admin Console components?22:43
@Haargui level usually22:47
@Haargsome things have real permissions attached22:47
metanilui levels are for assets .. right?22:49
metanilbut admin console are operations.22:49
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@Haargui levels are used in a lot of places22:51
@Haargfor assets, particular fields in assets, and parts of the admin console22:52
metanilso for example, how is it defined for "Content Manager"'s UI Level ?22:53
metanilbecause i know Content Manager won't be able to view (or edit) most of the admin stuffs.22:54
@Haargui level is per user22:54
@Haargnot attached to groups22:54
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+perlDreamerAre deleting accounts for people who abuse the wiki with advertising?23:06
+perlDreamerAre we deleting accounts, that is.23:06
metanilHaarg: but there must be some kind of restrictive rules not allowing to access some of the content of admin console.. so how do webgui determines it?23:07
@rizenperlDreamer i should but i was lazy and just deleted their revision instead.23:14
@rizeni thought about deleting haargs account for setting me up with git though23:14
@rizenluckily for him i was lazy on that count too23:14
+perlDreamerbut then you'd be stuck with doing support23:15
@rizenoh no, i have bpmedley and stdavid for that23:15
+perlDreamerbut then you'd be stuck training them how to do support23:16
@rizenalready have23:16
@rizenthey're already doing it23:16
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+perlDreamerbut Haarg is already trained on how to deal with rizen.  Who else is going to do that if you delete his account?23:22
@preactionthat's part of the problems, there's no fun of breaking in the newbies with Haarg23:23
@rizenas far as i know i haven't made stDavid or bpmedley cry or scream in horror even once yet23:24
@rizenno fun for me23:24
+perlDreamerah, you're just not trying hard enough yet23:25
@rizeni'm going to try hard this week23:25
@rizeni'll be assigning their tasks for 7.7 development this week23:25
@rizenand all the milestone dates23:25
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@rizenthat should have bpmedley and stDavid screaming like little girls23:26
@rizenoh hi bpmedley i didn't see you there23:26
@bpmedleyoh dear23:26
@bpmedleysorry.. i had to goto a different coffee shop23:27
@rizenbpmedley: are you still visiting your parents, or is it the DSL line back at your office that died on you?23:28
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@bpmedleywill need to wait until tomorrow to get dsl back at my home office23:29
bernd_kzrizen, did I get you correctly that we can keep applying patches to the 7.5.x branch?23:29
bernd_kzCool! Thanks.23:30
@Haargbernd_kz, keep in mind that you'll only want to make code changes23:30
@rizen7.5 has no more official releases coming out23:30
bernd_kzSo no more update scripts, correct?23:30
+perlDreamernot unless you want to make manual upgrade scripts from that point forward23:30
bernd_kzGood. I will keep that in mind.23:31
bernd_kzperlDreamer, just applied your fix to my site.23:31
bernd_kzIt's working. Thanks again!23:32
@rizenbernd_kz: 7.4 is no more stable than 7.523:32
@rizeni got the impression from your email that you think 7.4 is somehow more stable23:32
@preactionprobably less so23:32
bernd_kzNo, 7.5.40 is more stable than 7.6.11? is what I was trying to say.23:32
@rizenyeah, 7.6 still needs some work23:33
bernd_kzBut you may prove me wring.23:33
@rizenbut it's at the beginning of it's life23:33
@rizenan 7.5 is at the end23:33
@rizenso that makes sense23:33
bernd_kzI know. It's a natural process.23:33
+perlDreamerIn biology, stable == dead23:33
@rizensame for coe23:34
bernd_kzHm, I should probably contradict. But I cannot come up with something meaningful... :-(23:34
bernd_kzBTW, I talked Mr.23:35
bernd_kzNo, hit the enter key to early.23:35
bernd_kzWhat I wanted to say is that I talked to some guy from the organizers of Open Source Expo again.23:35
bernd_kzIt will still take them a while for preparing sign up forms and brochures.23:36
bernd_kzBe had little doubt that we can have a booth there.23:36
bernd_kzSo who is coming to visit Karlsruhe and Heidelberg?23:36
+perlDreamerBoy, am I glad that dreamersgirl is not online right now.23:36
+perlDreamerShe would volunteer in a heartbeat23:37
+perlDreamerbut it would have to include a sidetrip to Gersbach23:37
bernd_kzCool. I am going to reserve our best guest room for you.23:37
bernd_kzParents in law?23:37
+perlDreamerNo, university professor.23:37
+perlDreamerBut we cannot afford to come.23:37
+perlDreamerWe hope she is going to start at the University for nursing in June23:38
+perlDreamerso we have to save all we can for tuition23:38
bernd_kzHm, rizen was talking about sponsoring exhibitions on conferences.23:38
bernd_kzMaybe he wants to sponsor the flight???23:38
+perlDreamerI think he was talking about locals doing things to keep costs down.23:38
bernd_kzAh, I see.23:39
+perlDreamerbut if he wanted to fly us out to Deutschland I wouldn't argue too much23:39
bernd_kzHe is quite good at that, isn't he?23:39
bernd_kzI think he is pretending not to listen.23:39
+perlDreamerrizen is a very good, frugal manager.23:39
+perlDreamerdoing the most with what you have23:40
bernd_kzUseful vocabulary.23:41
bernd_kzI am going to remember.23:41
@rizenperlDreamer: are you calling me cheap?23:42
@rizencuz i'm not cheap23:42
+perlDreamerfrugal != cheap23:42
@rizenkhenn is the cheap one23:42
@rizenbernd_kz: perlDreamer is right, having locals man the booth keeps the cost down23:42
@rizenso i'm happy to ship you supplies23:43
@rizenbut i can't ship you people23:43
bernd_kzThat's alright. I did not expect it.23:43
+perlDreamerunless they fit in several small boxes? :)23:43
bernd_kzI was just wondering if someone was eager to come.23:43
bernd_kzI can offer free lodging...23:43
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bernd_kzperlDreamer, snail mail for more than 4 weeks on the Atlantic ocean?23:44
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+perlDreamerit is less than optimal.  I'll have to get a handcrank to recharge the battery.23:45
bernd_kzI see you are making plans already.23:45
bernd_kzDon't forget to ship in time!!!23:45
bernd_kzOk, guys. Time for me to go to bed.23:46
bernd_kzGood night.23:46
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* perlDreamer heads off to a conference.00:12
* deafferret eats a donut. err... oh, wait. nevermind00:13
+perlDreamerthat's at 4:00pm PST, deafferret.  Be patient00:15
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deafferretpizza standard time?00:19
deafferret3 minute conference? wow  ;)00:19
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@rizensounds good to me00:59
* perlDreamer has fond dreams of TeddyWedgers00:59
+perlDreamerI didn't eat one last year00:59
* perlDreamer is having the dt's01:00
@rizenperlDreamer: one more reason to dislike Haarg besides the fact that he likes git is that he doesn't like Teddy Wedgers01:00
+perlDreamerin that case he's canned01:01
@rizeni knew i could turn you against him01:01
@rizennow i just need to turn git against him and all will be right in the universe01:01
@rizenmaybe we should just switch to mecurial or one of those other new version control systems01:02
@rizenthat would piss him off01:02
@rizenor go back to cvs01:02
@rizenthat would really get him01:02
+perlDreamerI'd have to leave if we went back to CVS01:02
+perlDreamerthat's like potty training all over again01:03
@rizenok, well maybe i'll have to give up the fight01:03
@rizencuz i can't lose you01:03
+perlDreamerrizen: you need this: http://scifiwire.com/2009/02/human-or-toaster-the-new-iphone-cylon-detector-lets-you-be-sure.php01:03
+perlDreamerprobably easier to get Haarg to like TeddyWedgers01:03
+perlDreamermaybe some operant conditioning, with drug and psychomediation01:03
@rizenyou know, despite all of haargs shortcomings01:03
@rizeni still like him01:03
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@rizenand unfortunately i made the decision long ago not to hate him for not liking teddy wedgers01:04
@rizenbut that doesn't mean i can't razz him about it01:04
@rizenas for that iphone app01:04
@rizenthat only works if you're a fan of battlestar01:04
@rizenwhich i am not01:04
+perlDreamermaybe we need to modify it to detect PHP users01:05
@rizenthat would be far more useful01:05
@rizenit's a sad sad day: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/03/perl_test.html01:07
+perlDreamerit was a sad day 8 years ago01:07
@rizeni have really long days01:08
@rizeni still love those two articles even after all these years01:08
patspamthe last paragraph rubs a bit.. "It is believed that many users started by using Perl and moved on to the more powerful PHP"01:11
patspamwoohoo today is version bump day! oh wait, it's still feb 9th for you guys, damn..01:20
+perlDreamer8 hours and 35 minutes01:23
+perlDreamernot that we're counting or anything :)01:23
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+perlDreamerwhich man page has the list of perl warnings?01:47
@preactionperldoc perldiag01:47
+perlDreamerthanks, precation!01:52
+perlDreamerI need to setup an alias perlwarn = perldiag01:52
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+perlDreamercue deafferret's dietary abuse rant of the day01:55
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+perlDreamerone nice thing about git is when you commit, you can ask it to show you what the patch looks like04:15
+perlDreamerand when you do git diff, it uses your pager by default04:15
CIA-46WebGUI: yung * r9471 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: improving matrix performance04:39
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patspampreaction: ping04:49
patspamooh rizen is still here, even better04:50
patspamre: Andy's "Adding Rich Text to Data Table" RFE04:50
@rizenre: re: re: re04:50
patspamAndy is looking for a nice way for content managers to put content into a table04:51
@rizennobody likes andy very much04:52
patspamif that table is a YUI-powered table then more's the better, because it looks perdy04:52
patspamheh, andy included04:52
+perlDreamerbut he makes very nice drawings04:52
+perlDreamerdrawnoses, too04:53
@rizeni know what he's going for patspam04:53
@rizeni just don't know if that's what we want datatable to do04:53
@rizeni'm still thinking on it04:53
@preactionif he wants that, there is Thingy04:54
@preactionDataTable == spreadsheet04:54
@rizendatatable != spreadsheet04:54
@rizenwebgui will not have a spreadsheet04:55
@rizeni disagree with you on that preaction04:55
patspama YUI-powered Thingy template would probably do it04:55
patspamwe could even use the JSON api I get yung to build a few months ago to do it04:56
@rizencuz we're not going to do any of the formula calculation bs that a spreadsheet does04:56
@rizenbut at the same time it doesn't seem like a good idea to put formatted content into the datatable04:57
@rizeni think that preaction's intentions to keep data table's data clear of HTML is a good one05:00
@rizenbecause it gives us more flexibility to do crazy stuff05:00
@rizenhtml is just so willy nilly05:00
@rizenit can cause formatting problems05:00
@rizenanyway, sorry. i'm just thinking outloud05:01
@rizenoh, and git sucks05:01
patspamyeah.. if you were doing it all via js you'd have your data source with pure data, and then use DataTable formatters to render the data into whatever pretty html you liked, whilst still being able to sort/manipulate the raw data05:01
@preactionhence using thingy to have key=>value pairs of data05:05
@preactionand relational records (behavior, sub-behavior, symptom, etc...)05:05
patspamandy's coming to the wuc this year05:07
patspamyou can all tell him how much you love him then05:07
Lisettehow to do to get the address of shipping into paydriver?05:21
+perlDreamerLisette,it is attached to the cart object.05:25
Lisettecart or self?05:27
+perlDreamerFrom the PayDriver, $self->getCart05:29
+perlDreamerthen you can check the Cart API on how to get the shipping address05:29
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+perlDreamerway to go daviddelikat!06:12
+perlDreamerDo you think we need to tell the YUI group about this?06:13
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CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9473 /branch/survey-rfe/ (130 files in 46 dirs): (log message trimmed)10:20
CIA-46WebGUI: Merge branch 'master' into survey10:20
CIA-46WebGUI: * master: (127 commits)10:20
CIA-46WebGUI:  Prefill in the email address in the ITransact credentials form from the user's Shop address.10:20
CIA-46WebGUI:  fixed Matrix best/worst rated lists10:20
CIA-46WebGUI:  Fix bad form variable for phone number in EMS Badge address info.10:20
CIA-46WebGUI:  - Added a switch to allow the use of non-WebGUI objects with the Workflow10:20
CIA-46WebGUI: patspam * r9474 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 10:20
CIA-46WebGUI: Part-way through merging Survey features from trunk10:20
CIA-46WebGUI: Cleaned up Survey Edit screen, hover help, layout etc..10:20
CIA-46WebGUI: Added "jump to" AutoComplete box on Section Edit dialog (as per Answer10:20
CIA-46WebGUI: Edit dialog)10:20
CIA-46WebGUI: N.B. "take survey" is currently broken, but will be easy to fix10:20
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* plainhao is having trouble with templates.13:29
* plainhao is having trouble with a lot of little details and wrong assumptions, actually :)13:30
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Lisettei can modify the fields of an address shipping?15:09
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Lisettecan i modify the fields of an shipping address?15:14
+BartJolI'm not sure, if you can it should be one of the shop templates15:17
Lisetteok, thanks15:21
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daviddelikatwhere can I find some documentation for ad manager?16:55
+BartJolisn't that in the help?16:56
daviddelikatI've been searching weggui.com for different things and I come up empty16:58
+BartJolmmm, I don't see it in the help, allthough I know it is in one of the books16:59
daviddelikatwhere can I find the books?17:00
+BartJolthe administraors guide, to be precise17:00
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daviddelikatsomething to buy?17:00
+BartJol6000 karma it appears17:01
+BartJolfor a b/w edition17:01
+BartJolif it's something short and simple, I'm willing to look it up17:02
daviddelikatI just need to know how to get into the ad manager17:03
+BartJolwell it is in the admin console17:03
daviddelikatahah! not under new content...17:04
+BartJolthere you can add adspces, that are invoked by a macro17:04
daviddelikatthat is  a good start17:04
daviddelikatmany thanks17:04
+BartJolit's a start17:04
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Lisetteanyone know if webgui have a form control that i can resize an image like google when i atach a picture?17:57
+BartJolwell in the settings, there is a max image size setting18:03
+BartJolbut that applies to evrybody18:03
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@preactionLisette: not currently, no. it's something that we want but nobody's done it yet18:25
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+perlDreamerHowdy, everybody.18:26
* deafferret waves18:27
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat: sorry that I couldn't hang around later last night.  Do we need to tell the YUI folks that their data stringification is broken?18:31
daviddelikathmmm, I submitted a fix18:31
daviddelikatoh, isee18:32
daviddelikatno not really18:32
@Haargwhat format does it currently output?18:32
daviddelikatthe stringification uses a custom format internally18:32
daviddelikatits an iso format i think18:32
@Haargand what is the change you made?18:32
daviddelikatJS doesn't recognize it directly18:32
daviddelikatI overrode it for our data tables so that it uses the JS standard format18:33
daviddelikatit is designed to be overridden at need18:33
@Haargi don't think it's a matter of the YUI format being 'broken'18:34
daviddelikatcorrect, 18:34
@Haargthere's no standard way to represent dates in json as far as i can tell18:34
daviddelikatyes, if your try Date.toString() you will get the default format18:35
+perlDreamerwhat does it mean, though, when it emits dates that it won't parse?18:35
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daviddelikatthis format is recognized whin you do something like var x = Date.parse(string)18:35
+perlDreamerso it's only the built in date parser for the DataTable then?18:36
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+perlDreamerHaarg: Are you working on the anymous registration bug?18:37
@Haargnot actively18:37
daviddelikatDate.parse() is a JS function18:37
@HaargperlDreamer, i can18:45
@Haarg't duplicate that bug on 7.618:45
+perlDreamerI'll have a go at it on 7.5 then18:45
+perlDreameryup, it exists in 7.518:48
+perlDreamerno error messages18:48
daviddelikatperlDreamer : to answer your question about hte dates that wont parse:  the YUI stringify function builds its own date string.  does it the hard way too.  but it is not intended to be read by JS directly.  it is expected to go through 'unstringify' to get the date value back18:49
+perlDreamerHaarg, I found and fixed this bug in 7.6, and never backported it to 7.519:00
+perlDreameremail validation is also broken19:00
+perlDreamerrizen gets 1 thumbs-up at Frozen Perl: http://use.perl.org/~gizmo_mathboy/journal/3844319:09
@HaargperlDreamer, does the t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t test pass for you?19:14
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@Haargwhat version of LWP are you using?19:15
@Haargand do you have a ~/.mime.types or ~/.media.types ?19:16
+perlDreamerLWP::MediaTypes 5.82219:16
+perlDreamerNeither of those files19:16
+perlDreamerLWP 5.82319:17
@Haargcan you post your media.types file?19:17
@Haargit should be in perl lib/LWP/media.types19:17
+perlDreamerhttp://webgui.pastebin.com/m302dc086 for the media.types file19:18
@Haargis that from an rpm?19:19
Lisettein webgui there a plugin for crop images?19:19
@Haargthat's not the standard LWP file19:20
@Haargcauses the test to fail for anyone else19:20
+perlDreamerso it's not a version problem?19:20
@Haargif you have 5.823 then nope19:21
+perlDreamerstoopid fedora19:23
+perlDreamerhow different is it from the standard one?19:24
+perlDreamerpretty different19:26
@Haargyours looks more like apache's19:27
+perlDreamerit sucks when the package makers do stuff like this19:27
+perlDreamermaybe the FetchMimeType test is too aggressive, since it's really just checking the plugin to the module, rather than types19:28
@Haargyeah, that's what i was thinking19:28
+perlDreamerI'll fix it19:28
+perlDreamerunless you're sitting on a pending commit19:28
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: maybe you should see if there is some sort of runtime runtime env that 'just works' with all the correct versions and builds.  I bet there is one out there :P19:29
@Haargwebgui shouldn't be dependant on the wre anyway19:30
@Haargso catching stuff like this is valuable19:30
+perlDreamerwhat else can I do to help?19:31
+perlmonkey2is Apache2::Request difficult to build on non-RH envs?  It is like the most difficult mod in the world to build in Cent and Fedora.19:31
@Haarghad no trouble with it on os x19:31
+perlmonkey2I hatesessesess it.19:31
@Haargi've built it on windows as well and it wasn't that bad19:31
+perlmonkey2probably just my stupid 64 bit envs.19:31
@Haargi'm working on the matrix test failure atm19:32
@Haargthe only other test failing is the exif test19:32
+perlDreamerI'll have a look at that.19:32
@Haargand that's due to a change in more recent versions of the module we're using19:32
+perlDreamermaybe I'll run the i18n test, too19:32
@Haargi18n stuff all passes19:32
+perlDreamernice for a change :)19:33
+perlDreamerexif.t is passing for me19:33
+perlmonkey2anything else you need worked on?  or should I just browse the bug list if I want to be useful?19:33
@Haargit probably won't pass if you update Image::ExifTool19:33
@Haargit passes on the wre and i'm pretty sure it's another case of the test being too strict rather than a real failure19:34
+perlDreamerpasses with a new Image::ExifTool, too19:35
+perlDreamerit also passed with the RPM that I just overwrote19:36
@Haargstill failing here19:37
+perlDreameryou mentioned that that the wre was passing, what kind of source setup are you running?19:39
@Haargi have a source install basically19:40
@Haargalthough i don't actually run the source version of apache19:40
@Haargi use the wre's apache and usually test in the wre and with the source install19:41
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+perlDreamerthe test basically duplicates the code inside of Photo.pm19:45
+perlDreamerremoves references19:45
@Haargback in a bit19:46
CIA-46WebGUI: colin * r9475 /WebGUI/t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t: Remove tests from FetchMimeType that just were setup to help Fedora pass.19:51
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I know you're away, so I'll leave you some notes.20:01
+perlDreamerI'm convinced that this is a real bug20:01
+perlDreamerthe test makes sure that the template variables are set correctly, and tries to ignore the content by duplicate the exif20:02
+perlDreamerprocessing in the test20:02
+perlDreamerif it is different, then that says to me that something changed20:02
+perlDreamerbut it passes here, so I'm not sure what the problem is20:02
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+perlDreamervery nice, ack plugin for vim20:11
* perlDreamer goes to the gym20:12
+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm not so convinced anymore, just confused20:12
@preactionhttp://www.cornify.com/ YES, the Internet is now over! This guy wins