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| daviddelikat | preaction: I'm investigting a disappearing picture for http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and I wanted to see if it caused any errors in the log. | 02:20 |
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| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/wg/promote/gooey-on-the-go/webgui-license-plate-club | 02:21 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: here's the error: 2009/01/31 18:17:02 - WARN - www.plainblack.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAs | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | setMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: wg/promote/gooey-on-the | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | -go/webgui-license-plate-club/michigan-license-plate Root cause: Can't use string (" | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | gooey on the go license plate cl") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /da | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | ta/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 798. | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | ... er, my bad | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/mf6b1fa8 | 02:22 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 02:23 |
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| chupacabra | anybody seen tamar | 02:52 |
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| chupacabra | i miss her cute ass shaking defiantly. | 02:53 |
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| chupacabra | oops wrong channel.. sory. | 02:55 |
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| conexcol | hi | 03:01 |
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| @preaction | hi | 03:01 |
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| conexcol | good to see people here | 03:02 |
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| conexcol | I want to start developing things for webgui | 03:02 |
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| @preaction | that's great! we're here to help | 03:02 |
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| conexcol | I'm trying to start a project to build a directory with search capabilities | 03:02 |
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| conexcol | I'd like to have some recomendations on how to approach this... is an asset, a set of macros, etc. | 03:03 |
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| conexcol | I'd like to have categories and subcategories, user submitions, keywords search, etc | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | a directory for what kind of data? | 03:04 |
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| conexcol | websites | 03:04 |
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| conexcol | like yahoo :p | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | you could probably put the whole system together using the Collaboration System if you wanted | 03:05 |
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| conexcol | mmm.. interesting... | 03:05 |
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| @preaction | but probably your best bet would be to make a set of custom assets | 03:05 |
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| conexcol | how's that? | 03:05 |
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| @preaction | assets because they are indexed into the WebGUI Search asset (so your searching would come almost free) | 03:06 |
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| @preaction | also because assets are arranged in a tree, so that comes free too | 03:06 |
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| conexcol | how fast is the search engine? | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | if you have a top-level asset type for the "Directory" one asset type for a "Category" and one asset type for a "Directory Entry", you should be able to quickly do it | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | i have never seen it take very long | 03:07 |
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| conexcol | jmm. let me digest this... | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | alternatively, you can design your database first and then build a single asset to navigate, another asset to search | 03:08 |
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| @preaction | another asset to manage entries in your custom database, etc... | 03:08 |
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| conexcol | I see... | 03:08 |
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| conexcol | Actually, I already have the database | 03:08 |
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| conexcol | I guess another asseit for user submision... | 03:09 |
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| @preaction | so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data | 03:09 |
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| @preaction | you could also write it as a WebGUI::Content handler instead, which is a lower-level API that stays out of your way | 03:10 |
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| @preaction | i wouldn't suggest it unless you had a very good reason | 03:10 |
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| @preaction | my opinion is that the different assets to view, search, and edit entries would be the best way | 03:10 |
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| conexcol | I'll have to go for about 15 mins.. this is getting quite interesting.. please baer with me.. I'll be back shortly | 03:11 |
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| @preaction | unfortunately i have to go as well, but there are plenty of people who can help, and I'm here most of the time | 03:11 |
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| conexcol | ok, thanks a lot | 03:12 |
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| conexcol | I really want to start developing tonight | 03:12 |
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| @preaction | the WebGUI Developer's Guide from Plain Black has a wealth of getting-started information and tutorials on how to accomplish various tasks | 03:12 |
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| @preaction | the wiki has a guide on "how to create an asset" | 03:12 |
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| @preaction | there is a code skeleton in lib/WebGUI/Asset/_NewAsset.skeleton and lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_NewWobject.skeleton (a Wobject is what you'll want probably, it's basically a higher-level asset) | 03:13 |
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| @preaction | the wiki is http://wiki.webgui.org | 03:13 |
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| conexcol | I'm back | 03:31 |
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| conexcol | preaction: if you're still here, when you said "so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data", where exactly should I do this? | 04:03 |
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| conexcol | what's the difference between Asset and Wobject? | 04:06 |
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| chupacabra | installing LWP failed. | 06:05 |
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| chupacabra | oops | 06:06 |
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| chupacabra | Fedora 10 | 06:06 |
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| chupacabra | running testEnviornment.pl | 06:06 |
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| chupacabra | sounds important. i know it is for some irc bots ive had. | 06:08 |
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| chupacabra | mmm installed LWP with yum and all seems well | 06:15 |
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| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat | 06:38 |
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| conexcol | does anyboday know how the Bazaar is made with (wich Asset)? | 06:39 |
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| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:40 |
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| daviddelikat | nope | 06:41 |
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| daviddelikat | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:44 |
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| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:44 |
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| wgGuest88 | nope | 06:44 |
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| daviddelikat | sorry for all the junk, I'm done goofing around now... | 06:45 |
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| chupacabra | lots of perl modules | 06:58 |
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| conexcol | does anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)? | 08:32 |
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| chupacabra | how important is Aopache2::Request mine wont install it. | 17:11 |
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| bpmedley | what problems are you having? | 17:50 |
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| bpmedley | you may need to download and pass arguments to the Makfile.PL script | 17:50 |
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| chupacabra | ahh. | 19:55 |
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| chupacabra | I'm busy now. will check back in after work. thanks though. | 19:55 |
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| @preaction | chupacabra: if you're having trouble with manually installing stuff, perhaps the WRE would be a good idea | 20:59 |
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| conexcol | does anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)? | 21:49 |
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| @preaction | conexcol: it's a custom asset called Bazaar, available in svn at https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/experimental/Bazaar | 21:52 |
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| chupacabra | 3C3C3C^^^ | 06:23 |
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| +BartJol | yo, I've got a upgrade question for sites with custom assets | 15:16 |
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| +BartJol | we mostly put the assets in a custom dir | 15:16 |
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| +BartJol | but the upgrade script doesn't seem to regonise the path and thus can't call the getId method on the asset | 15:16 |
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| +BartJol | this breaks the upgrade, which can be quite annoying | 15:17 |
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| +BartJol | we tried a perl -I with the path after it, but that also didn't work | 15:17 |
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| +BartJol | Am I missing something? otherwise I'm gonna submit a RFE for it | 15:18 |
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| +BartJol | someone got some ideas on this? | 15:24 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: you know whether I'm doing something stupid? | 15:26 |
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| +BartJol | ah the master of development | 15:29 |
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| +BartJol | khenn: you know whether I'm missing something simple when upgrading a site with custom plugins? | 15:30 |
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| +BartJol | it seems to skip preload.custom | 15:30 |
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| @khenn | it's likely a bug in the upgrade script | 15:30 |
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| +BartJol | oh | 15:31 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 15:31 |
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| @khenn | what are you trying to do? | 15:32 |
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| @khenn | not sure why the upgrade script needs to know about your custom modules | 15:32 |
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| +BartJol | upgrading from 7.5.38 to latest | 15:32 |
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| @khenn | it's breaking? | 15:32 |
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| +BartJol | yeah | 15:32 |
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| @khenn | perhaps Haarg would know better | 15:33 |
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| +BartJol | I fixed it already by putting it in the normal lib dir | 15:33 |
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| +BartJol | but that is not the preferable solution | 15:33 |
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| +BartJol | well I posted a bug | 15:57 |
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| wgGuest47 | anyone know how to move pages up or down in navigation from the home page? | 17:08 |
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| +BartJol | you can change the rank in the assetmanager | 17:08 |
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| wgGuest47 | thanks | 17:10 |
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| +BartJol | my pleasure | 17:10 |
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| @Haarg | BartJol, i plan to have upgrade.pl use preload.custom, but it doesn't at this point. it's simple enough to use perl -I or PERL5LIB= once you know, but it should be automatic. | 17:51 |
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| +BartJol | Haarg: ah, thanks | 17:54 |
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| +BartJol | good to know | 17:54 |
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| brikenv | Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview. | 19:05 |
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| brikenv | Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview. | 19:31 |
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| perlmonkey21 | Is there a way to run two WebGUI directories at the same time? I didn't know if it was too big a PITA to track down all the /data/WebGUI references. | 19:32 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey21: only if you run two instances of apache at the same time. i think there are only a couple places to change /data/WebGUI to something else | 19:33 |
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| perlmonkey21 | preaction: sweet, I'll see if I can run it down. | 19:33 |
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| @Haarg | only places that will have /data/WebGUI listed should be the config files and preload.perl | 19:33 |
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| @preaction | brikenv: do you need a developer or will a power user do fine? | 19:34 |
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| brikenv | hi preaction. poweruser will be fine. just general questions | 19:34 |
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| @preaction | brikenv: the official Plain Black person to answer those types of questions would be tavis@plainblack.com | 19:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | he's a power user | 19:36 |
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| perlmonkey21 | preaction: sweet, thanks a bil | 19:36 |
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| @preaction | he's borderline developer, something i always seem to forget | 19:36 |
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| perlmonkey21 | Haarg: err, I meant you | 19:36 |
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| @preaction | tavisto is MS-certified sysadmin, netadmin and other wonderfully geeky things (in addition to being easy on the eyes) | 19:37 |
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| brikenv | well. i'm german. will be easier for me to ask in the chat then do it in writting | 19:37 |
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| @preaction | i'm not savvy on how his schedule works, but he may be able to do even better (skype or something) | 19:38 |
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| brikenv | i just want to know if a couple of features are existing or not, as i couldn't find the informations on the website | 19:38 |
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| @tavisto | hi brikenv, I'd be happy to answer your questions | 19:38 |
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| brikenv | hi tavisto. thats great thank you | 19:39 |
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| brikenv | private room? | 19:39 |
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| @tavisto | sure go ahead and private me | 19:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, if we learn that you're bad mouthing WebGUI in private, it shall not go well with you... | 19:40 |
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| * perlDreamer ends his threat with an ominous elipsis | 19:40 |
| @preaction | he can't badmouth it, he had a major hand in shaping it | 19:40 |
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| @tavisto | hah, the marketing guy bad mouthing the product... that's a good one | 19:40 |
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| @preaction | dot. dot dot.... | 19:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | dot dot dot ... dot dot dot | 19:44 |
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| @preaction | dash dot dash? | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | S.O.S. in dots only | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Morse code really uses 3 symbols, and they can be very arbitrary | 19:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | The module Acme::Bleach is built the same way | 20:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | it reencodes your code using all legal whitespace characters | 20:08 |
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| bernd_ | Hey everyone! Greetings from Bayreuth... | 20:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Where is Bayreuth? | 20:48 |
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| bernd_ | Northern Bavaria | 20:48 |
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| bernd_ | You know Richard Wagner? | 20:48 |
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| bernd_ | Bayreuth is were the annual Richard Wagner Festspiele take place. | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | is that why you're there? | 20:55 |
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| bernd_ | No, I am on a business trip. | 20:56 |
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| bernd_ | I do not even know Wagner. I just heard that the city is famous for staging of his works. | 20:57 |
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| +BartJol | business trip, yeeeeah | 20:57 |
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| bernd_ | Boring :-( | 20:58 |
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| bernd_ | I hate business trips... | 20:58 |
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| +BartJol | go to the wuc, that's not boring | 20:58 |
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| bernd_ | ... as long as I am on my own. | 20:58 |
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| bernd_ | I bet. | 20:58 |
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| bernd_ | But I have not collected enough karma yet :-) | 20:58 |
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| +BartJol | allthough, you shouldn't have to travel that far to meet so many dutchies | 20:59 |
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| +BartJol | you don't need karma | 20:59 |
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| bernd_ | What about you coming to one of our drinks in Heidelberg? | 20:59 |
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| +BartJol | maybe later this year | 21:00 |
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| +BartJol | I have to buy a house | 21:00 |
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| +BartJol | it will cost me most of my days off | 21:00 |
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| bernd_ | I thought you have bought a house? | 21:00 |
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| +BartJol | it's a slow process | 21:00 |
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| bernd_ | I need the karma to pay for it! | 21:00 |
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| bernd_ | Or do you want to be forced to listen to one of my talks? | 21:00 |
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| +BartJol | I'm willing to donate some karma | 21:01 |
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| bernd_ | I can tell you they are veeeery boring. | 21:01 |
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| +BartJol | I wouldn't mind I think | 21:01 |
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| bernd_ | Well, I would need some 50 000 karma points then. | 21:01 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I don't have that | 21:01 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer is probably the only one who could pay for the conference with karma, | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Nope, I'm several thousand short | 21:02 |
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| * perlDreamer is currently bashing his head on JS | 21:03 |
| bernd_ | Is it Javascript or did you forget the T? | 21:03 |
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| +BartJol | several 1000's that's mearly weeks for you | 21:03 |
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| bernd_ | Yeah, would be really cool if someone paid with karma. | 21:04 |
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| +BartJol | but I suspect perlDreamer is presenting anyway | 21:04 |
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| bernd_ | Most likely. Maybe something about JS? | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I sure hope not | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | Javascript is starting to look like spaghetti mixed with tapeworms | 21:06 |
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| bernd_ | tapeworm? | 21:07 |
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| bernd_ | s | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | human intestinal parasite | 21:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapeworm | 21:10 |
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| bernd_ | Ah, Bandwürmer! | 21:10 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, I am having problems with the translation server. | 21:12 |
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| bernd_ | Character encoding/decoding does not work. | 21:13 |
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| +BartJol | oh, yeah, thanks for the wiki entry, I got it installed | 21:13 |
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| bernd_ | If I do not use the rich editor, | 21:13 |
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| bernd_ | umlauts get strange encondings like "\374", which are not recognized by the browser. | 21:13 |
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| bernd_ | Anyone else knowing about the translation server and character encodings? | 21:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Klaus filed a bug about character encodings, but they worked fine in the browser. | 21:25 |
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| bernd_ | I am not sure if that is related. | 21:26 |
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| bernd_ | What I don't understand is why characters are converted at all. | 21:27 |
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| bernd_ | If the default encoding is utf8 there should not be any conversion required? | 21:27 |
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| @Haarg | default encoding of what? | 21:27 |
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| bernd_ | I think the browser is using utf-8. | 21:28 |
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| bernd_ | So why decode in www_editItemSave? | 21:28 |
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| bernd_ | Isn't the text area delivering utf-8 as well? | 21:28 |
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| bernd_ | I assume decode_utf8 converts from utf-8 to unicode wide characters. Is that correct? | 21:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | we decode from utf8 into perl's native string representation | 21:30 |
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| bernd_ | But why? | 21:30 |
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| bernd_ | The browser wants utf-8 in the end. | 21:31 |
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| bernd_ | Is it re-converted to utf-8 at one point? | 21:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I believe it is reconverted to utf8 when written out to the translation files | 21:31 |
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| bernd_ | Just checked: the browser encoding is utf-8 when using the translation server. | 21:31 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, do you mean upon commit? | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, after saving | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | when committing, it writes to SVN | 21:32 |
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| bernd_ | That is not the case. | 21:32 |
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| bernd_ | I can find those perl wide characters in the translation files. | 21:32 |
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| bernd_ | Want an example? | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | That is what Klaus's bug is about | 21:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | Data::Dumper, which is used to serialize the data to the file, will alternately handle the encodings in different ways | 21:33 |
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| bernd_ | Hm, nothing we can do about it? | 21:33 |
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| bernd_ | I cannot continue with the translation at the moment. | 21:33 |
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| bernd_ | I would have to re-check all phrases with umlauts. | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is this on i18n.webgui.org, or a locally installed copy? | 21:34 |
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| bernd_ | It is the local copy. | 21:35 |
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| topsub | are "admins" the only ones who can look at the asset manager tree? | 21:35 |
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| bernd_ | I have not experienced on i18n.webgui.org yet. | 21:35 |
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| topsub | the only group that is | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub, I don't believe so. | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Content/AssetManager.pm | 21:35 |
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| topsub | I am getting lil confused as to how to set this up. Trying to keep clients from being able to control everything | 21:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd_: then I think you should double check i18n.webgui.org | 21:36 |
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| bernd_ | But how? | 21:36 |
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| bernd_ | I have been using i18n.webgui.org frequently. | 21:36 |
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| bernd_ | So far no problems. | 21:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd_: then the problem must be local to your machine. That's a small comfort. | 21:37 |
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| bernd_ | Not sure, since I have found corrupted characters in translations that others have done. | 21:37 |
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| bernd_ | The bug is probably there. | 21:37 |
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| bernd_ | I am just not sure what causes it. | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub: in 7.6, with the new config file, you can easily specify which groups can access parts of the admin console | 21:38 |
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| topsub | thats nice! | 21:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | but that just hides it in the UI | 21:39 |
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| bernd_ | Just checked permissions under settings. But it seems that the config file is the only way to hide the asset manager. | 21:39 |
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| @Haarg | so when the character encoding bug you are talking about occurs, what is the result of it? | 21:40 |
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| @Haarg | as for why we decode and encode | 21:41 |
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| bernd_ | Instead of "ü" I get "\374". | 21:41 |
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| @Haarg | where? | 21:41 |
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| bernd_ | The latter is probably the perl encoding? | 21:41 |
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| @Haarg | and why does that matter? | 21:41 |
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| topsub | so if they have the url then they could see it? | 21:41 |
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| bernd_ | In translation modules such as Account_User.pm | 21:41 |
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| @Haarg | we need to have all the strings in the same format so they can be combined together | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, it matters because those characters appear as strange characters in my browser. | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | It seems that re-conversion is missing. | 21:42 |
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| @Haarg | on the translation server or when using them in webgui? | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | When using them in webgui. | 21:42 |
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| @Haarg | version? | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | 7.5.40 | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | Actually, not true. | 21:43 |
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| bernd_ | I have tested with a recent beta version. | 21:43 |
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| @Haarg | the strings coming out of the i18n modules should be in perl's internal encoding | 21:43 |
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| bernd_ | Has that always been the case? | 21:43 |
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| bernd_ | Using the rich editor causes HTML entities! | 21:43 |
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| @Haarg | where the data coming from/to the browser is utf8 | 21:43 |
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| bernd_ | In translation files that is. | 21:44 |
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| @Haarg | in 7.4 and previous, we weren't handing encodings properly | 21:44 |
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| @Haarg | we just dealt with everything as bytes | 21:45 |
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| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:45 |
| @Haarg | which led to a number of problems when storing them in the database or doing processing on them | 21:45 |
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| bernd_ | No more than 4 minutes per km, perlDreamer! | 21:45 |
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| bernd_ | But 7.4 is far in the past. | 21:45 |
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| bernd_ | Why does the problem occur now? | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I try to average 10 minutes/mile | 21:46 |
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| bernd_ | That is even more. | 21:46 |
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| @preaction | about the same | 21:46 |
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| bernd_ | You *must* get faster. | 21:47 |
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| @preaction | perlbot math 2.2 * 4 | 21:47 |
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| perlbot | 8.8 | 21:47 |
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| bernd_ | Otherwise it is no longer running ;-) | 21:47 |
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| @preaction | oh, that's slower! | 21:47 |
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| bernd_ | Isn't a mile 1.6 km? | 21:47 |
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| +BartJol | or 1.852 km of your talking nautical miles | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | 2.2 i always thought | 21:48 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: nope | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | oh, i'm wrong | 21:48 |
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| +BartJol | treasure this sparse moment in time preaction | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | mmmm... | 21:49 |
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| bernd_ | Nicely said! | 21:49 |
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| bernd_ | preaction, I am glad you are not working for NASA. | 21:50 |
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| bernd_ | Ooops, forgot the smiley :-) | 21:50 |
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| +BartJol | rizen never has that, even when he's wrong, he's right | 21:50 |
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| bernd_ | That is probably by definition. | 21:50 |
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| +BartJol | indeed | 21:50 |
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| @preaction | bernd_: i was only off by a factor of 0.6, well within NASA's standards (they are, after all, a government agency) | 21:51 |
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| bernd_ | And that is probably the reason they lost pathfinder. | 21:51 |
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| bernd_ | Or was it some other satellite? | 21:51 |
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| * perlDreamer goes slowly shambling | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret will be distressed | 21:52 |
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| @preaction | they lost a mars rover or two | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | just 1 | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | the UK lost one, too | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | named Beagle | 21:52 |
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| bernd_ | No wonder, they use the same unit system. | 21:52 |
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| @preaction | that being said, i'm sure it's much like airlines: you only hear about the disasters | 21:53 |
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| @preaction | but comparing a space shuttle to an airplane is like comparing an amoeba to a human | 21:53 |
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| @preaction | er.. a human to an amoeba | 21:53 |
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| bernd_ | Not sure if old NASA shuttles are rather the amoeba. | 21:54 |
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| +BartJol | strange, airplanes have more people in it | 21:54 |
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| @preaction | fewer moving parts though | 21:55 |
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| @preaction | you could build an airplane with no electronics, good luck building a space-capable vehicle with no electonics | 21:55 |
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| +BartJol | the russians hardly fail, but they put it in the extinguish pot | 21:55 |
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| @preaction | that can safely ferry a human being during its entire trip, i should add | 21:55 |
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| bernd_ | You can build a rocket with pure chemistry! | 21:56 |
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| +BartJol | that will go up yeah..., I'd harldy feel safe haveing to get back again | 21:58 |
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| @Haarg | bernd_, as far as i can tell having \374, \x{fc}, or ü in the .pm files should work the same | 22:10 |
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| bernd_ | Hm, let me check again and create a screenshot. | 22:11 |
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| bernd_ | Maybe it's not the translation server but a problem in the beta I was using. | 22:11 |
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| @Haarg | well, there does seem to be a problem with how something is getting handled by the translation server, it just doesn't seem to be something that would lead to problems when used in webgui | 22:13 |
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| bernd_ | Still I have seen those corrupted characters. | 22:14 |
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| +BartJol | it also happened with the spanish translation I remember | 22:15 |
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| +BartJol | but that's a while ago | 22:15 |
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| bernd_ | Haar, the problem still persists even after updating to head. | 22:25 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg | 22:25 |
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| bernd_ | I have the screenshot ready. | 22:26 |
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| bernd_ | How can I send it to you? | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | sure | 22:26 |
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| bernd_ | But how? | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | email will work | 22:26 |
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| bernd_ | Is it possible via irc? | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | graham@plainblack.com | 22:27 |
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| bernd_ | Thanks :-) | 22:27 |
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| bernd_ | I was just about to look it up. | 22:27 |
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| @Haarg | also, do you have the i18n modules available somewhere? | 22:27 |
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| bernd_ | Yep. One moment... | 22:27 |
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| bernd_ | The corresponding module is here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m14939fb0 | 22:29 |
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| @Haarg | that was created with translationserver.cgi ? | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | And here is the page source: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d587cdf7c | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, yes! | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | But a local installation. | 22:30 |
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| @Haarg | modified any? | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | According to perlDreamers instructions. | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | No. Just the header lines. | 22:30 |
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| @Haarg | hrm | 22:30 |
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| @Haarg | that seems odd | 22:31 |
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| @Haarg | just a sec | 22:31 |
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| bernd_ | Is there a problem with encodings? | 22:31 |
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| bernd_ | Or is there a problem with webgui? | 22:31 |
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| @Haarg | it has double quotes | 22:32 |
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| @Haarg | data::dumper uses single quotes by default | 22:32 |
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| bernd_ | Interesting. | 22:32 |
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| @Haarg | which leads me to think you are using a different version of translationserver.cgi or a different version of data::dumper | 22:32 |
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| bernd_ | Let me see if that is true for other modules as well. | 22:32 |
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| @Haarg | try this: | 22:33 |
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| @Haarg | perl -mData::Dumper -e'print Data::Dumper->VERSION, "\n"' | 22:33 |
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| bernd_ | 2.121_08 | 22:34 |
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| bernd_ | Older files seem to have the single quotes. | 22:35 |
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| bernd_ | Only the new ones I created appear to be affected. | 22:35 |
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| bernd_ | Is the version number correct? | 22:35 |
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| @Haarg | just a sec | 22:36 |
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| bernd_ | The WRE I am using is 0.8.5 | 22:36 |
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| @Haarg | bleh | 22:37 |
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| @Haarg | i guess it is using double quotes now | 22:37 |
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| @Haarg | my bad | 22:37 |
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| bernd_ | But what about encodings? | 22:38 |
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| bernd_ | Are the correct ones being used? | 22:38 |
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| bernd_ | Sorry for asking, but I know nothing about character encodings. | 22:38 |
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| bernd_ | I just noticed, that those question mark in diamond characters got replaced in the pastebin. | 22:40 |
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| @Haarg | well, it's using \374 | 22:40 |
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| bernd_ | Which is the perl encoding? | 22:40 |
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| @Haarg | essentially yes | 22:40 |
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| bernd_ | And therefore correct? | 22:40 |
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| @Haarg | that should be correct as far as i can tell | 22:41 |
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| bernd_ | So the conversion to utf-8 is no longer working? | 22:41 |
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| bernd_ | Uh, I found something. | 22:42 |
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| bernd_ | It is all converted to ISO-8859-1 | 22:42 |
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| @Haarg | how so? | 22:42 |
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| bernd_ | Changing the encoding manually in the browser solves the problem. | 22:43 |
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| bernd_ | But why is that? | 22:43 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, do you want another screenshot? | 22:43 |
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| @Haarg | no | 22:47 |
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| bernd_ | Anything else I can do? | 22:47 |
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| bernd_ | Want the svn revision I am using= | 22:48 |
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| bernd_ | ? | 22:48 |
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| bernd_ | It is 9389 directly checked out from the repository, | 22:48 |
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| bernd_ | running inside WRE 0.8.5 | 22:49 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, still working on this? | 22:54 |
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| bernd_ | If not, I am going to bed now. | 22:54 |
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| @Haarg | i'm thinking about it - i don't need any more information from you | 22:55 |
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| bernd_ | Good. Are you going to take care of the bug report? | 22:55 |
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| @Haarg | there's already the bug on the list for this | 22:56 |
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| bernd_ | Alright.# | 22:56 |
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| bernd_ | Good night then! | 22:56 |
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| @Haarg | well, i may have found a solution | 23:05 |
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| @Haarg | i'm thinking the problem is due to utf8 vs UTF-8 | 23:05 |
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| @Haarg | telling Data::Dumper to use the perl code instead of XS makes it work properly - it outputs byte sequences to the file | 23:06 |
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| * deafferret is distressed | 23:06 |
| @preaction | that is the craziest thing i've heard | 23:07 |
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| @Haarg | \374 is an octal version of \x{fc} basically | 23:08 |
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| * deafferret is also dysentarious | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | the unicode code point for that character is U+00FC | 23:08 |
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| @Haarg | but the proper way to encode that as utf8 is \x{c3}\x{bb} | 23:09 |
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| @Haarg | since the code point fits in a single byte though, perl encodes it internally as a single byte sometimes | 23:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, that sounds like a beautiful solution | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | speed isn't necessary for that CGI in any case | 23:42 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 23:42 |
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| @Haarg | should just be a matter of changing Useqq to Useperl | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you want me to make that change and recommit, Haarg? | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | sure | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | it's basically working around a Data::Dumper bug | 23:48 |
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| @preaction | UPSTREAM! | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | we don't have a real fix though | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | and there is already a bug report for this | 23:49 |
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| @preaction | ... those slow jerks | 23:50 |
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| @Haarg | was reported 1.5 years ago | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | that like a million years in Internet time | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate developers that don't fix bugs fast! | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I mean, just who do those guys think they are, with their fancy, shmancy SVN access and all? | 23:51 |
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| * preaction doesn't look at the oldest bug on the webgui list | 23:51 |
| * perlDreamer repents in sackcloth and ashes | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | svn rev 9390, Haarg | 23:52 |
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| @Haarg | cool, thanks | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, you haven't found out why $self->{_env} is not %ENV yet, have you? | 23:53 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: no cluesies | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | that bug scares me | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | heh, you and me both man... | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | although, it would explain several other random issues, like kristi's spectre bug | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | where all of a sudden spectre decided that her IP address had changed | 23:55 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, is that an intermittent problem or is it always happening? | 23:57 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: it was always happening | 23:58 |
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| perlmonkey21 | in 7.6.10 does the assetManager show assets for everyone else? | 23:58 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey21: it does for me, but only after spectre was done committing assets | 23:58 |
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| perlmonkey21 | preaction: ah, so that's my problem on this new site. After wreconsole created the site and I started it up, the logs showed that www.site.com.conf had some malformed json and spectre chokes. Which is why I couldn't see the assets. | 23:59 |
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| @preaction | i'll be here all week, try the veal! | 00:00 |
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| @preaction | if i were to add a "Global Head Tags" entry in the settings, would it go under "User Interface" or "Content"? | 00:00 |
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| @preaction | i would think UI would be more appropriate, since it has style templates inside it already | 00:00 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, does the Env macro not work for you? | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: for my global head tags thing? | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | my other thing isn't using the Env macro, it's in code | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | trying to do a setRedirect | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | the global head tags thing is convenience for designers and admins, instead of having to add head tags to every single style template on the site (and then change them on every single style template on the site) | 00:02 |
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| @Haarg | i can't duplicate your issue with session->env vs ENV | 00:05 |
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| @preaction | damnit | 00:05 |
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| @preaction | even inside a WebGUI::Account module? | 00:05 |
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| @Haarg | i put some warnings at the top of WebGUI::Account::Inbox::www_view | 00:06 |
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| @preaction | sigh... | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | i dunno then | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | i mean, feel free to close as unable to duplicate. if i get into a situation where it happens again i'll try to see what more info i can gather | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, is some custom code writing to the env object directly? | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | i doubt anyone would be that stupid, but it would be a good idea for me to check | 00:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9390 /tools/translationserver.cgi: | 00:14 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Force Data::Dumper to use the pure perl version to stop | 00:14 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: random encodings in the data. | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, when you update the translation server on i18n.webgui.org, I'll close that bug on the trackers, http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9308 | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, can I talk through a spectre bug with you? | 01:11 |
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| @Haarg | sure | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9302 | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Holler after you've read it | 01:12 |
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| @Haarg | ok | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | That error message comes from Operation/Spectre/spectreTest, which runs a bunch of tests | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | the first thing it does it check to see if there are any subnet issues | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | it uses $session->env->getIp | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's the user's IP address | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the Spectre connection is made by the _server_, which means that the check will always fail | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | unless you're on the server when making the request, or in a valid subnet | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | most of the time, this code is never called, since the subroutine is only invoked when Workflow::Instance tries to hand off a workflow to Spectre, when it runs too long | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Did all that make sense to you? | 01:16 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, give me a sec | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, that's about 30 minutes of research condensed down to 4 minutes | 01:17 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9391 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (2 files): Added styles for taking a survey | 01:18 |
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| @Haarg | ok | 01:25 |
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| @Haarg | so were you thinking of a specific fix? | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | from the apache request object, pull the connection object, then use the ->local_ip method to get the server's IP address | 01:27 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 01:28 |
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| @Haarg | i have a different thought | 01:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:28 |
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| @Haarg | seems like spectreTest should be treated like an api method and not do that checking at all | 01:29 |
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| @Haarg | move the tests into the www_ method | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | the goal of spectreTest, iirc, is to tell the user whenever the server can't talk to spectre and try to tell them why | 01:29 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:30 |
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| @Haarg | but 'the user' was initially only spectre | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | yess | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Because before we had all realtime workflows, if the user hit commit, and couldn't talk to spectre, it really mucked up their site and wouldn't tell them why | 01:31 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, but there was never any feedback on that | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | right, and now there is. | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think we should change that | 01:32 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, but the user feedback part they just reused part of the api | 01:32 |
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| @Haarg | that wasn't designed for that usage | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's true | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | is there any way to compromise? | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | can we make spectreTest aware of how/who is calling it? | 01:34 |
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| @Haarg | well, that check is meaningless outside the www_spectreTest method imo | 01:34 |
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| @Haarg | the macro looks busted as well | 01:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be equally busted, since env->getIp would be the user's IP | 01:35 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:35 |
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| @Haarg | and the feedback it gives is just wrong in that case | 01:35 |
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| @Haarg | in order to get the information it is looking for | 01:36 |
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| @Haarg | it would need to tell spectre to request something from webgue | 01:36 |
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| @Haarg | *webgui | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 01:37 |
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| @Haarg | then have spectre hand the result of that back through the ikc connection | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | which it won't do if the subnet connection is wrong? | 01:38 |
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| @Haarg | well, if we can't connect to spectre with ikc | 01:38 |
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| @Haarg | then it is down or misconfigured | 01:39 |
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| @Haarg | if we can connect, but it can't connect back to webgui via http | 01:39 |
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| @Haarg | then the subnet setting is wrong | 01:39 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know enough about poe to be able to do that though | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | it already does something like that | 01:40 |
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| @Haarg | the spectreTest thing you mean? | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:40 |
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| @Haarg | or somewhere else? | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | see line 201 of Operation/Spectre | 01:41 |
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| @Haarg | it connects to spectre | 01:41 |
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| @Haarg | that's easy though | 01:41 |
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| @Haarg | the hard part is that spectre then has to make a web request, and return something to webgui based on that web request | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | what if it called runTests? | 01:42 |
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| @Haarg | spectreTest as it is is correct for its past usage - spectre making sure it could connect | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | from Spectre/Admin/runTests | 01:42 |
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| @Haarg | i don't think that would work well | 01:43 |
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| @Haarg | it would stop spectre while it did anything | 01:43 |
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| @Haarg | the correct way would probably be to use the POE HTTP stuff | 01:44 |
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| @Haarg | and i don't know how to get that working with the sending a response | 01:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | isn't that what spectre ping is doing | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | and there are other methods that fetch data from WebGUI inside of Spectre. to get the site data, for example | 01:49 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:50 |
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| @Haarg | but again, that's using LWP | 01:50 |
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| @Haarg | it would need to use the POE stuff instead | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | so that it doesn't block Spectre from doing its regular thing | 01:50 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I definitely see your point then. | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | but isn't www_spectreTest exposed in the UI someplace? | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm thinking of spectreStatus | 01:52 |
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| @Haarg | afaik spectreTest is only used by spectre itself | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're right | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll pull the subnet check out of spectreTest, and drop it into www_spectreTest | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | then all should be well | 01:53 |
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| @Haarg | well, better at least | 01:53 |
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| @Haarg | the macro will still be trying to report an error we have no way of detecting currently | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | but once that test is pulled out of Operation::Spectre::spectreTest, it will never return that error code | 01:54 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:55 |
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| @Haarg | which is better than what currently happens | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | definitely | 01:55 |
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| @Haarg | but still not quite right | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you think that the POE code would get executed quickly enough for the original HTTP request from the user not to timeout? | 01:56 |
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| @Haarg | probably | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | Looks like POE::Component::Client::HTTP has an interface that looks like LWP | 01:59 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 02:00 |
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| @Haarg | the interface is fine | 02:00 |
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| @Haarg | it's the async nature of the thing that i would have to read a bunch about to figure out | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | then, even if we fix the immediate problem of using the wrong IP, we shouldn't close the bug until it all works | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | or, we should close that bug, and open another as a placeholder so that it gets fixed at some point | 02:06 |
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| @Haarg | i think a new bug | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll do that then, and let you get back to work. | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, I lied about letting you get back to work. | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Just to round up the WikiPage talk from last week, where user's could add/paste them in the wrong place. | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I fixed the add hole, too. | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Although, in the default UI, there's no button/link to add a WikiPage just any old place | 02:17 |
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| @Haarg | the thing i was thinging about though, is when would the rules for restricting paste ever be different from those restricting add? | 02:19 |
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| @Haarg | *thinking | 02:20 |
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| @Haarg | seems like there shouldn't need to be a canPaste method, because canAdd should already give you that information | 02:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did look at it, but decided that since it did a group check it was too stringent | 02:23 |
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| @Haarg | also, if i didn't mention it, WGDev should be in pretty good shape now - commands are documented and the interfaces should be pretty stable | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll add it to my TODO list for the week. | 02:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | It would be nice to have the templateFile folded into there | 02:26 |
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| @Haarg | if you can take a look at it (usage/code/docs/other) i'd appreciate it | 02:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | You bet. | 02:26 |
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| @Haarg | i have something along those lines in progress i think | 02:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9392 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/MatrixCompare.pm): fixed #9635: Matrix - Add attributes not working | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm: Prevent WikiPages from being manually added to places where they shouldn't. | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9394 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm): | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix the bad subnet checking in spectreTest. Subnet checks should only happen | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: in www_spectreTest, until a way is found to round trip data in and out of spectre | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: back to WebGUI. Documented how and where that should occur. | 02:27 |
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| @Haarg | it currently has a command for editting assets with an arbitrary command | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | through the API, or the DB? | 02:27 |
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| @Haarg | well, it exports the asset to a file inspired by the past template upgrade format | 02:28 |
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| @Haarg | then runs a command against it, and reimports it when complete | 02:28 |
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| @Haarg | i have some in progress code for exporting to a directory tree and detecting changes for import/packaging | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, like a filter. That's perfect. If those are separable easily, then input, output and package are easy | 02:29 |
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| @Haarg | there's api methods for serializing/deserializing assets | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | back to WikiPage, canAdd will also look at the config file for the addPrivsGroup for adding. If we use canAdd, they would be able to paste as well. Which is different from how it works now. | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | But I don't know if that's bad. | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | just different | 02:30 |
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| @Haarg | maybe they need to be two separate checks, but one as a permission check | 02:31 |
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| @Haarg | and the other as a system integrity check | 02:31 |
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| @Haarg | canAdd would use both | 02:31 |
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| @Haarg | pasting would only do the second | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | so we'd still need canPaste then | 02:31 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I could add a ->validParent method. Is that descriptive enough? | 02:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | paste would basically wrap that | 02:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | and canAdd would call it in addition to Asset's canAdd | 02:32 |
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| @Haarg | i think that sounds ok | 02:32 |
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| @Haarg | you mean ::Asset's canAdd would also call that? | 02:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, WikiPage's canAdd would | 02:34 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 02:34 |
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| @Haarg | i was thinking it would be a general method | 02:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Post and Thread would use it | 02:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | BazaarItem | 02:35 |
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| @Haarg | can calendar | 02:35 |
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| @Haarg | *and | 02:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | for Events | 02:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 02:35 |
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| @Haarg | gallery | 02:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, we'll do it that way. | 02:36 |
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| @Haarg | sounds good to me | 02:36 |
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| @Haarg | i'm heading home - i'll be on later | 02:36 |
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| elnino | helooO! | 03:52 |
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| elnino | I have a folder asset with a lot of photos in it. And "all of a sudden" (I can't confirm this) our users are getting the following error: "stop running this script? a script on this page is causing interent explorer to run slowly if it continues to run, your computer my become unresponsive." ONLY when admin is turned on... | 03:52 |
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| elnino | I looked at the source of the html, and there are no unusal scripts running. It happens to me in IE7, and was about to try in firefox. | 03:53 |
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| elnino | any idea what to look at? | 03:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9395 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Fix a few broken help entries. | 03:53 |
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| elnino | I do get the error in FF2 as well. | 03:56 |
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| elnino | I've also changed the pagelayout to "failsafe" and it still happens, so it appears to be pointing at the "admin on" | 04:01 |
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| elnino | when you do an asset proxy of an asset, I'm assuming it will be displayed using that asset's template. right? | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | yes | 04:45 |
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| elnino | good. | 04:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | "all of a sudden" | 05:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino? | 05:22 |
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| elnino | yes. unfortunately. "all of a sudden" | 05:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | no upgrades? no operating system changes? no new folders added? | 05:23 |
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| elnino | correct. | 05:23 |
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| elnino | I wonder if they just added the 256th file to the folder. | 05:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | each level will hold 999,999 assets | 05:25 |
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| elnino | there are 10 pagination pages of assets in that folder (each being 25) plus 6 on the 11th page. so according to my math that is 256 files. | 05:25 |
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| elnino | well, ok. I just thought it was interesting that there were 256. | 05:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it can be 40 levels deep | 05:25 |
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| elnino | I guess that would not be it. | 05:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | besides, you just said that there were no new folders/assets added :) | 05:25 |
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| elnino | you didn't mention "assets" =) I just know there are no new folders. | 05:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, my bad | 05:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would check all recently added assets to that folder | 05:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | via the asset history, perhaps? | 05:26 |
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| elnino | I can do that.. | 05:27 |
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| elnino | now? | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Immediately, without pause or delay? What you got better stuff to do from what I order you to do? | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | :) | 05:28 |
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| elnino | I'm doing popups. | 05:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | Are those like push-ups, or more like popovers? | 05:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, I have to go make breakfast cookies, bbl | 05:28 |
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| elnino | no, it's the "gray out the background and make a popup window (but not) with an enlarged photo shown in the middle of the screen" type thing. | 05:29 |
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| elnino | but popovers sounds really good right now. | 05:29 |
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| elnino | They want me to use <div>s and I hate those. withall the absolute and relative positioning junk. | 05:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, partial commit for general purpose add/paste protection almost ready | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I even ran the test suite this time | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | which, embarrassingly, I should do more often | 05:53 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, where is the templateID stored for assets? I don't see it in the ImageAsset table, nor any of the asset* tables.. do I get it from the wobject table? | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | ImageAsset doesn't have a template? | 06:12 |
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| elnino | not according to http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema | 06:13 |
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| elnino | but I'll look directly. | 06:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Image is a subclass of File | 06:14 |
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| elnino | ah.. ok. | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | and File is where the templateId is stored | 06:14 |
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| elnino | and is there a way to make mysql not so case sensitive? drives me nuts. | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | tab should do file complete in most places in the client | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if you're writing code... | 06:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | no such luck | 06:15 |
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| elnino | I'm at the mysql prompt in linux. | 06:16 |
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| elnino | oh well. | 06:16 |
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| elnino | how are the popovers? | 06:16 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, I've been looking at the image folder. large groups of images have been modified, on following dates: 2/2, 1/29, 12/10, and specifically I looked at templateids, image parameters, extra head tags. To see if anything suspicous appears. and didn't see anything. | 06:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | no popovers, I made breakfast cookies | 06:17 |
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| elnino | what are breakfast cookies? | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're made with applesauce, oats, whole wheat flour, regular flour, some sugar, cinnamon, ground cloves, oatbran, dried cranberries and raisins | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, and two eggs and some butter | 06:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | very yummy | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | and healthy | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | just don't tell deafferret about it | 06:20 |
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| elnino | are they like homemade granola bars? | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | not really. They're a cookie for sure, but very light | 06:20 |
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| elnino | interesting. can you send me a recipe? | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Sure! | 06:21 |
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| elnino | djninow@yahoo.com | 06:21 |
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| elnino | cool. I'll have to try those. I love dried cranberries, and I have tons of oatmeal. | 06:22 |
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| elnino | thansk! | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | would you also like our top secret chocolate waffle recipe? | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's on its way. | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I want to try it with some other dried fruits, too, like apricots or pineapple | 06:29 |
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| elnino | oh.. I can't do chocolate in the morning. Sounds good though. | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | We serve them with strawberries and whipped cream | 06:29 |
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| elnino | costco has dried fruits cheap. Do you have costco or sams club where you are at? | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, Costco | 06:30 |
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| elnino | too rich. | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | no Sams Club in Oregon | 06:30 |
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| elnino | costco's blueberries are GOOD. | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, I also hear you can take two chocolate waffles, and put ice cream in the middle and make your own ice cream sandwiches | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | not that I've _ever_ done that. | 06:30 |
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| elnino | oh. THAT sounds good. | 06:30 |
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| elnino | I dont' have a waffle machine. I think the batters are different... | 06:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | they are | 06:31 |
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| elnino | that's what I thought. =( | 06:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | if we try them in pancake format and it works, I'll give you a holler | 06:31 |
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| elnino | ok! | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | is that page with the folders on it accessible to the outside world? | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm wondering if that's a windows problem, only | 06:35 |
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| elnino | well, It can be. =) | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | because it's weird that firefox and IE give the same errors | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | knowmad! | 06:35 |
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| knowmad | hey, pd! | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | how are things on the east coast? | 06:35 |
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| elnino | I also know that IE has a setting in the registray for how long to wait. I'll open it up. | 06:35 |
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| knowmad | wet and cold! | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | but we need the rain | 06:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, we do too | 06:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think we got a bunch of your snow this year | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | are you still in Seattle? | 06:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Portland | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | oh, right | 06:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Seattle is too rainy | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | yeah, i agree | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | so, i'm working on an sql report against data form (v7.5) and am wondering what to do with all the JSON encoded data... | 06:37 |
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| knowmad | i'm leaning towards using YUI to manipulate it but haven't messed with that much yet | 06:38 |
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| knowmad | anyone have suggestions? | 06:38 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9396 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Fix a leaking test. | 06:39 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9397 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Also leaking a version tag. | 06:39 |
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| elnino | not a clue | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know that you'd need to use YUI, straight JS should do the trick | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe try wrapping that field in a script tag | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | and go from there? | 06:41 |
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| knowmad | ok, i'll try straight js and see how that goes; i'll follow-up on the discussion list... | 06:42 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, but like I mentioned, it onlyoccurs with "admin on" http://www.comtrol.com/products/images/photoshot | 06:49 |
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| @tavisto | hey elnino! | 06:50 |
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| elnino | hi.... | 06:50 |
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| @tavisto | what's new? | 06:50 |
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| elnino | not much. | 06:51 |
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| elnino | I did hear back, my boss was confused, I asked about what, and that is about all that happened. =( | 06:52 |
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| @tavisto | well there's lots of stuff going on right now in my neck of the woods.. We have peeps from all over trying to learn about wG | 06:52 |
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| elnino | that's GREAT! | 06:52 |
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| @tavisto | most def | 06:52 |
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| @tavisto | ah success story.. yes.. so boss was confused about the success story? | 06:52 |
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| knowmad | hey tavisto! it looks like JT's going to have you flying all over the place as well | 06:52 |
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| elnino | apparantly. | 06:52 |
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| @tavisto | hey knowmad, yeah we're doing 3-4 major gigs again this year | 06:53 |
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| knowmad | yeah, it looks like some good venues | 06:53 |
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| @tavisto | Ad:Tech will be cool, and I'm really excited about EduComm and a Dept of Defense one.. The govie one is the one I want to hit the most | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, no problems for me, elnino | 06:53 |
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| @tavisto | how's the wG implementer biz going? | 06:54 |
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| @tavisto | well elnino, we'd appreciate it if you can wrangle your boss into a quick meeting or something... Anything to allow us to use that success story | 06:54 |
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| knowmad | we're doing fine; we have 3 new sites that have rolled out this year | 06:54 |
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| @tavisto | even if we have to change it so he/she is more comfortable | 06:54 |
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| knowmad | we ought to be sending you our Press Releases | 06:54 |
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| @tavisto | absolutely! | 06:55 |
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| knowmad | i'll put a word in to our PR firm to do that | 06:55 |
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| * perlDreamer needs to learn about press releases | 06:55 |
| @tavisto | Knowmad, I'm not sure if you've noticed or not | 06:55 |
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| @tavisto | but I added a "WebGUI in the News" page on webgui.org | 06:55 |
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| @tavisto | that's going to be a place specifically for that kind of stuff. And specific PR articles about wG | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, I didn't see any pagination, either | 06:55 |
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| knowmad | oh, no, i hadn't; that will be great | 06:55 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, I suppose I can just move them to a file folder with a passthru. just weird. | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | all assets on 1 page | 06:56 |
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| @tavisto | now that will also go into the partner success page when that program is ready | 06:56 |
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| @tavisto | I haven't heard much from the wG partners stuff in awhile | 06:56 |
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| elnino | the pagination is when in asset manager. That's how I counted them. =) | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | makes sense | 06:56 |
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| @tavisto | in terms of it being rolled out. In the meantime, I want to move all current resellers/providers to a new page called "Affiliates or Providers" | 06:56 |
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| elnino | its a default folder template of images with default iamge templates. | 06:56 |
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| @tavisto | that way, when people look at success stories, the reseller/affiliates/providers will all be listed in their own category | 06:57 |
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| @tavisto | eventually, when the partner program is official then we'll name that page partners of course. | 06:57 |
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| knowmad | we've had some discussion; everyone is so damn busy! | 06:57 |
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| elnino | I wonder if the page is getting too "Heavy", and they are only going to get bigger images in there. that's a lot of load. I think. | 06:57 |
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| knowmad | great! | 06:57 |
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| @tavisto | I know, but we need to buckle down and just do it | 06:57 |
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| @tavisto | however, one thing that is a requirement | 06:57 |
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| knowmad | what's that? | 06:58 |
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| @tavisto | is success stories. we need to have enough business success stories so that we can take out the resellers and still have several available. Success stories are the HARDEST DANG THINGS TO GET | 06:58 |
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| elnino | sorry. | 06:58 |
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| knowmad | that's why we have a PR company | 06:58 |
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| elnino | I will call him. | 06:58 |
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| @tavisto | I've invested months of my life trying to wrangle them in... We've even hired a PR company and they're hitting the same obstacles | 06:58 |
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| @tavisto | elnino, I'm not yelling at you! | 06:58 |
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| elnino | =) I know. | 06:59 |
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| knowmad | is it approval or quotes or something else? | 06:59 |
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| elnino | approval. | 06:59 |
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| @tavisto | :) I'm yelling at the 20+ groups we've been grinding on that haven't even gotten as far as the interview for us (or the PR company) to create the stinkin success story | 06:59 |
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| @tavisto | currently, PB has 4 stories waiting for approval | 06:59 |
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| @tavisto | maybe 5 actually | 06:59 |
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| knowmad | we just make it up and let them approve or correct ;) | 07:00 |
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| @tavisto | University of MN Law, Comtrol, Fund for the Public Interest (which has 80 wG sites), and a government story | 07:01 |
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| @tavisto | hah, knowmad I'm tempted to do that. | 07:01 |
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| @tavisto | I remember when I first joined PB in July 07, I figured I could wrap that up in 3 months... get like 20 of em | 07:01 |
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| knowmad | oof, that hurts to know they're still out | 07:02 |
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| @tavisto | but yeah, one of our requirements is to have success stories available in the business category and enough so that we can take out the resellers and move them to their own section. I can't do that until then | 07:02 |
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| @tavisto | knowmad, if you (or anyone else in here) has success stories with your clients, Plain Black will post yours as well. And then give credit to you in the success story of course :) | 07:02 |
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| knowmad | you've done that with the Midwest Heart story as well as us | 07:03 |
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| knowmad | we'll see what else we can get your way; the CCAC will prob be a good one | 07:03 |
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| @tavisto | The goal is to highlight that wG is being successfully deployed in a range of organizations. Thus validating the product so that they want to attend a webinar, call a sales guy, or download/evaluate the product. | 07:03 |
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| knowmad | hey, we're getting a monthly by-lined article in one of the local newspapers! | 07:03 |
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| @tavisto | sounds good. Send me whatever comes up | 07:04 |
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| knowmad | so we have to come up with material at least once a month -- the column is called "Web Solutions" | 07:04 |
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| knowmad | yeah, we'll do that | 07:04 |
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| @tavisto | excellent. Also if you have "WebGUI in the news" stuff, be sure to send it my way as well. We've been needing a section like that forever since the PB news section is good at eating old news stories (and hiding them) | 07:05 |
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| knowmad | i think that's a great idea | 07:05 |
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| @tavisto | we've got an analyst briefing on Thursday with Forrester. I'm hoping we'll make a good impression and be considered a major player in the OSS ECMS market | 07:06 |
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| knowmad | jmarsden is creating lots of potential news with the ubuntu work he's doing | 07:06 |
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| knowmad | man, that would be great! | 07:06 |
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| @tavisto | yeah I've been following the dev emails. That's great! | 07:06 |
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| jmarsden | I heard that :) | 07:06 |
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| @tavisto | jmarsden, we've got friends at Ubuntu as well. | 07:06 |
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| knowmad | good ;) | 07:06 |
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| @tavisto | In my last meeting with them, I was told that they actually had WebGUI as one of the top 5 CMS choices for running Ubuntu.com | 07:07 |
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| knowmad | i've been following your threads in stealth mode; really appreciate your work on getting wG into Ubuntu | 07:07 |
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| jmarsden | Cool; any friends who are MOTUs? If they can review my package on REVU that would really help out right now... | 07:07 |
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| knowmad | sorry, i'm not that connected with the Ubuntu devs; just an avid fan and user of the distro | 07:07 |
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| jmarsden | OK... I'll keep trying to get a couple of MOTUs interested into to do the review work. | 07:08 |
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| @tavisto | hehe... well, that's kind of what I was talking to them about. I think these guys are in the business development layer. I also have contact with Matthew Nuzum who's one of their webmasters. I'm on LinkedIn and if you want to hook up with him and chat, he's a cool dude. | 07:08 |
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| @tavisto | Maybe he'd have a good referral for you | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9398 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Prevent Event, WikiPage and Thread from being pasted places where they don't | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: belong. This allows chained method calls to "getMyParent", getParent, getWiki, getCalendar, etc. | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: to work. | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Adds the new canPaste and validParent method to Asset and AssetClipboard. | 07:08 |
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| jmarsden | Sounds good to me. | 07:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | if only we could get those fedora slackers going now, we'd have half the Linux world covered | 07:09 |
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| @tavisto | having wG in Debian and Ubuntu would be excellent marketing ammunition as well | 07:09 |
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| @tavisto | yep, I still have your email that talks about there only being 12 modules that would need to be repackaged? | 07:10 |
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| knowmad | yes! although i'll still use the WRE for our hosting, it's great to have it | 07:10 |
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| jmarsden | Let me get Debian/Ubuntu done first, then I can maybe look at an RPM package... it's been a few years since I did any RPM apckaging though...! | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | the problem is that it's not just WebGUI, it's those other 12 modules | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | and their prerequisites that all need packaging, too | 07:11 |
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| jmarsden | Perl modules from CPAN? | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:11 |
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| jmarsden | OK. I think there is a helper script for packaging CPAN stuff into RPMs out there... | 07:11 |
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| @tavisto | As WebGUI os fully GPLd I assume that you are looking to | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | provide paid support services or similar ? | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | Because it is GPL'd we can provide access to Ubuntu users through the Partner | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | repo, but a pre-req for this is that there is a deb available, and that the | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | deb passes our quality and build standards. We can help with that for a | 07:13 |
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| jmarsden | RPM::Make and cpan2rpm both show up in a quick Google search... | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | charge. | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | If you had a MOTU, someone with commit rights to the Ubuntu Universe | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | repository, then this would enable you to add and maintain with no recourse | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | to Canonical :-) | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | that was the last email I had with Malcom Yates, he manages the ISV relationships | 07:13 |
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| jmarsden | Well, I'm sort of on my way to becoming a MOTU... in a few months, I hope... :) | 07:14 |
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| @tavisto | Malcom probably won't be as much help as Matthew. But I do think he'll be someone that can help you connect with a MOTU faster than coming in off the street | 07:14 |
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| @tavisto | oooh... well that works too! | 07:14 |
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| jmarsden | I hang out in #ubuntu-motu and help out... and in #ubuntu-server... slowly getting known there by those folks... | 07:14 |
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| @tavisto | that'll be worth some karma rewards, a t-shirt, and a news release on pb.com :) | 07:14 |
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| @tavisto | what is the selection criteria? voted in? | 07:14 |
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| jmarsden | It's fairly complex, you submit a wiki page decribing the packaging you've done, then an online interview, then a vote by the council, I think it is. | 07:15 |
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| jmarsden | There are <100 MOTUs total worldwide at the moment... | 07:16 |
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| @tavisto | very cool. | 07:16 |
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| jmarsden | So getting webgui into Ubuntu will actually count towards by hoped-for MOTU-ness | 07:16 |
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| jmarsden | s/by/my/ | 07:16 |
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| @tavisto | 2 birds -- 1 stone | 07:21 |
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| @tavisto | in style. | 07:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9399 /branch/survey-rfe/root_import_survey.wgpkg: Updated & cleaned YUI includes in Default Survey Edit template | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9400 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Made first argument to SurveyJSON contructor $session for consistency | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: with rest of wg. | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Also added Params::Validate validation. | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9401 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Added param validation to all SurveyJSON.pm methods. | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9402 /branch/survey-rfe/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored ResponseJSON and SurveyJSON | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added Params::Validate to ResponseJSON.pm | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored ResponseJSON constructor and re-ordered params for | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: consistency | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added new ->session accessor | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Updates tests | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9403 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored SurveyJSON for perlcritic compliance. | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Simplified some code, refactored out some C-isms. | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9404 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Updated Survey.pm to use the new SurveyJSON contructor params | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Moved ResponseJSON data hash to private variable, for security and | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: consistency with SurveyJSON | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added some more accessors/mutators, and param validation | 10:50 |
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| +BartJol | plainhao: I must say, that your day-night rhytm is quiet peculiar | 14:31 |
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| * plainhao smiles at bart. | 14:31 |
| +BartJol | but thanks for the input on my bug | 14:32 |
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| @plainhao | no problem, i'd test it out myself, but i'm currently booked on a client right now. | 14:32 |
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| * plainhao still needs to figure out how to run multiple versions of wre and wg at the same time... | 14:33 |
| +BartJol | of the wre, that might be interesting | 14:33 |
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| +BartJol | I'm just glad that I got my translation server running on a different version from my installation | 14:34 |
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| +BartJol | but different roots should do the trick for you | 14:34 |
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| @plainhao | yes, indeed | 14:34 |
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| +BartJol | hopefully there's a global root setting | 14:34 |
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| @plainhao | right-o | 14:35 |
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| * plainhao hopes to figure it out one day soon. | 14:35 |
| +BartJol | well, that is quite unnessasary for me | 14:35 |
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| +BartJol | but a nice experiment\ | 14:35 |
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| @plainhao | quite necessary for me, actually, since clients often run older versions, and i'd need to test fixes in different versions. | 14:36 |
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| +BartJol | ah | 14:36 |
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| * plainhao is surprised no one has come up with instructions already. | 14:36 |
| +BartJol | just make them upgrade | 14:36 |
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| @plainhao | hahaha | 14:36 |
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| +BartJol | that second amendment isn't for Jan with the short familyname | 14:37 |
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| +BartJol | just threaten, the US have become big by threatening, why stop now? | 14:39 |
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| ryuu_ro | @BartJol great dutchism :) | 14:39 |
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| +BartJol | thanks | 14:39 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: : do you know what specific version of WebGUI is running on the WebGUI site? | 15:47 |
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| +BartJol | latest stable | 15:47 |
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| +BartJol | beta I mean | 15:47 |
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| daviddelikat | so that would be 7.6? | 15:47 |
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| +BartJol | 7.6.10 | 15:47 |
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| daviddelikat | the absolute latest? | 15:47 |
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| ryuu_ro | you can check the page source | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | well, not nightly build | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | or page info | 15:48 |
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| ryuu_ro | <meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.6.10" /> | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | it says what I say | 15:48 |
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| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | and it's kinda PB's policy to run latest beta | 15:48 |
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| daviddelikat | tavisto: do you know if there is anything different about your uid on WebGUI? | 17:07 |
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| daviddelikat | i'm workign on | 17:07 |
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| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and it seems that ounly ~you~ are targetted by this unique behaviour. | 17:07 |
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| @tavisto | hmmm, well nothing is different as far as I know | 17:08 |
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| daviddelikat | are you able to see trhe pictures? | 17:09 |
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| @tavisto | I'll check and see | 17:09 |
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| chupacabra | webgui took over mysql and my other sites couldn't get to it. | 17:09 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings, all. | 17:09 |
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| @tavisto | I can see the thumbnail, but I am also redirected to a blank screen when I click on it | 17:10 |
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| daviddelikat | ok thats the same behaviour I'm getting. | 17:10 |
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| daviddelikat | do you use any odd settings in your pictures or albums? | 17:11 |
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| daviddelikat | that is anything besides default settings | 17:11 |
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| @tavisto | well I checked the album and don't see any crazy settings | 17:15 |
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| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 17:16 |
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| @tavisto | I have a feeling this was probably caused by some sort of beta bug back around the time I posted it. I can even see the larger version by clicking on slideshow | 17:16 |
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| daviddelikat | there are five pictures that you posted tho, and they all do the same thing | 17:17 |
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| daviddelikat | sorrry, four pictures | 17:17 |
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| daviddelikat | oh, I guess they were all posted the same day... | 17:18 |
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| daviddelikat | would you mind postinga picture today and see if it does the same? | 17:18 |
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| @tavisto | sure, what albums would you like me to do that in | 17:20 |
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| daviddelikat | one of the two albums you alreadyt have is fine | 17:21 |
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| daviddelikat | how can i get gallary advanced search to give me anything on a date? | 17:22 |
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| daviddelikat | does it use wildcards in the text fields? | 17:22 |
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| daviddelikat | dates do not work in album search | 17:30 |
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| daviddelikat | it says they were all created 12/31/69 | 17:30 |
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| @tavisto | hmm.. yeah, not sure about that one | 17:30 |
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| daviddelikat | hows that picture posting? | 17:32 |
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| @tavisto | hey daviddelikat, just posted a test pic under license plate club album | 18:04 |
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| @tavisto | sorry, have about a million things going on atm | 18:05 |
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| daviddelikat | no problem, thanks for your time. | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | daviddelikat, it | 18:05 |
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| daviddelikat | tag? | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | 's not a problem with things posted by tavis, it's a problem with images with keywords | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | gallery used the 'keywords' template variable previously as an arrayref | 18:06 |
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| @Haarg | without initializing it | 18:06 |
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| @Haarg | the change to asset->get to add keywords means that now is broken | 18:06 |
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| daviddelikat | so if I add a keyword to an image it should break it... | 18:07 |
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| @tavisto | *tavisto watches as Grahams words fly right over his head* | 18:08 |
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| @Haarg | correct | 18:08 |
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| @tavisto | wooooosh | 18:08 |
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| @Haarg | just having it initialize as an arrayref before using it is probably the best solution | 18:08 |
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| * daviddelikat is testing | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat | yup, that did it. | 18:09 |
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| @Haarg | lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 781 | 18:09 |
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| daviddelikat | I'll work on impl that fix you mentioned... | 18:09 |
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| +BartJol | tavisto, it isn't actually magic you know! | 18:09 |
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| daviddelikat | oh come on it's magic | 18:09 |
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| @tavisto | ey' BartJol, how are you... you big girly man! | 18:10 |
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| +BartJol | me, girly, oh well, at leat I'm not metrosexual | 18:10 |
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| @tavisto | Metro Man and Girl Man | 18:10 |
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| +BartJol | except my cold, I am fine | 18:10 |
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| @tavisto | Girly Man | 18:10 |
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| @tavisto | I have one too.. it stinks | 18:10 |
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| +BartJol | looking forward to my new house and your visit | 18:10 |
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| +BartJol | and your beer drinking course | 18:11 |
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| +BartJol | since you suck at that, during the WUC you'll be able to say "I drink beer like a Dutchie!" | 18:11 |
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| +BartJol | all in a fortnight | 18:12 |
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| +BartJol | but since when am I baptised "Girly man"? | 18:12 |
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| +BartJol | tavisto? I know you're busy, but don't just insult me and run away, we never run when we insult you | 18:14 |
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| +BartJol | it is way too much fun to see you fed up with being called metro | 18:15 |
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| Lisette | webgui support web services? | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | oh and Koen is a father! | 18:16 |
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| @tavisto | BartJol, you have always been the big dutch girly man. This is not something new? | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | Lisette: there WAS a webservices client wobject | 18:16 |
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| @tavisto | That's cool about Koen!!! Woohoo | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | oh,ok hten | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | it's a girl and she is called Emma | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | I believe she can't program perl yet | 18:17 |
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| @tavisto | Ah good, not sure there's enough room in the world for 2 Koen | 18:17 |
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| Lisette | where i found? | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | certainly not | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | well Lisette I was talking past time, so probably it's hard to find | 18:18 |
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| +BartJol | It was in the menu with the new content stuff | 18:19 |
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| +BartJol | Lisette, in the changlog I see that Thingy should be able to behave like a Web Service | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | but I don't know how it works | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | or whether it is the same | 18:22 |
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| +BartJol | have to go, adieu! | 18:26 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: so I noticed when I was digging into the gallary bug that picture dates on the advenced search page are all the same and also the date search does not work. | 18:36 |
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| daviddelikat | a) should I generate a bug report for this? b) shoud I go ahead and work on it? | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | both sound good to me | 18:37 |
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| daviddelikat | ok | 18:37 |
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| daviddelikat | btw the keyword fix worked nicely... | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm going to fix up the AssetExport test today, then finish the Survey help. If you want me to look at a bug instead, please give me a holler | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | using bash, how do I redirect stderr and stdout from 1 command into a file? | 19:04 |
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| daviddelikat | ls > file 2>&1 # I think this works in bash | 19:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | I tried this: perl someTest 2>&1 > file | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I still get stderr in the terminal | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll reorder and try again | 19:05 |
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| daviddelikat | you have to put '1>file' first because 2>&1 is just an assignment | 19:05 |
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| daviddelikat | kind of like saying stderr = stdout then stdout = filedes(somefile) | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, daviddelikat! that works. | 19:07 |
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| daviddelikat | np | 19:07 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9406 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change | 19:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9407 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, we're not making any more changes to 7.5 | 19:52 |
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| daviddelikat | oops | 19:55 |
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| daviddelikat | I didn't getthat memo | 19:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | not a problem, just save you some backporting in the future | 19:58 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 19:58 |
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| topsub | When i am calling $session->datetime->epochToHuman when i send it a $date_format can i send a comman to it to seperate it? | 21:41 |
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| topsub | i can't seem to get a comman to insert to separate the output.. So instead of Feb 02 2009 i can get Feb 02, 2009 | 21:42 |
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| _elnino_ | did you try to escape it with a slash? | 21:43 |
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| _elnino_ | I don't think youshould have to though. | 21:43 |
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| topsub | ah. i didn't think i would have to escape it.. Let me try that | 21:43 |
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| _elnino_ | make sure to surround the format with quotes of some sort. | 21:43 |
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| topsub | $date_format = '%c %D\, %y';. should i use double? | 21:44 |
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| _elnino_ | no, that should be fine, just as long as it's surrounded, and it proably would have yelled at you if you didn't. And I'mreally surprised if you have to escape a comma, but maybe it'll work.. | 21:45 |
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| topsub | arg. i got it, i was doing it in the wrong place | 21:46 |
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| topsub | This macro has been refactor'd so many times... thanks _elnino | 21:46 |
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| _elnino_ | no problem. I don't think I helped any. =) | 21:47 |
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| topsub | eh you did input which is enough for me | 21:47 |
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| topsub | to confirm i can use a comman | 21:47 |
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| _elnino_ | YAY! | 21:47 |
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| wgGuest15 | hrwtj | 22:22 |
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| wgGuest15 | hello | 22:22 |
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| wgGuest15 | how is everyone | 22:22 |
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| wgGuest15 | anyone there? | 22:23 |
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| @bpmedley | what's up? | 22:23 |
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| _elnino_ | hi. | 22:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest, are you having keyboard problems? | 22:24 |
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| _elnino_ | hello wgGuest15? | 22:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | bake any cookies yet, _elnino_? | 22:33 |
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| wgGuest15 | asdfad | 22:34 |
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| wgGuest15 | dfasdfzs | 22:34 |
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| _elnino_ | I was thinking about it, I was telling tavisto, I ahve all the time in the world now too. economy hit me today. | 22:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh no! | 22:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm so sorry, _elnino_. | 22:35 |
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| _elnino_ | That's alright. Now I can finish off some projects at home before #2. and webgui has my full attention. | 22:36 |
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| * perlDreamer prepares for a blast of bugs | 22:36 |
| _elnino_ | =) | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is your husband still working? | 22:42 |
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| _elnino_ | as far as I know =) he's got two, he's in the guard and works for a school district. School district is in the middle of a 7 million cut. His boss says that he's there to stay. | 22:44 |
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| _elnino_ | my company laid off 25% of personell. ouch. | 22:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | 25%? That's huge! | 22:44 |
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| _elnino_ | we *were* a 60 person company.. list was crazy, they got rid of meat instead of fat. Our best sales guy, best of marketing, 2/3 of IT and 1/2 software enginering. managmeent, hw enginnering and blood relative and friends stayed. | 22:46 |
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| _elnino_ | crazy. | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | sounds pretty sycophantic | 22:46 |
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| _elnino_ | it's a private company, things like that happens. You get used to it. | 22:49 |
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| wgGuest15 | ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr | 22:49 |
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| _elnino_ | I think wgGuest15's cat just laid down on his keyboard. | 22:49 |
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| * deafferret is not an op :( | 22:51 |
| _elnino_ | define op | 22:52 |
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| deafferret | /mode +o deafferret | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Someone with a star next to their name, short for channel operator | 22:52 |
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| deafferret | /kick wgGuest15 | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | they have to power to kick people out of the channel, ban people, change status of people | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | kind of like IRC sysadmins | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, AssetExportHtml and i18n/help are passing, moving on to hardcoded extras, and then probably to dotted assetIds | 22:53 |
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| @Haarg | nice | 22:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to learn about wgdev :) | 22:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9409 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: | 22:58 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Remove tests for file content that do not work because files stream. | 22:58 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Update error message in test to match how the code works. | 22:58 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Survey.pm: Remove old help for the survey that is broken, and not used anymore. | 22:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, when I run wgd edit templateUrl, it tells me that there are no assets to edit and dies | 23:18 |
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| @Haarg | is there a specific template you are trying? | 23:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | /root/import/survey/default-survey-edit | 23:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | the thing is that it's checking against @_, which is empty for that sub | 23:19 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 23:19 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, should be $self->arguments | 23:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the check moved up before it accesses $self->argument? | 23:19 |
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| @Haarg | actually | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | it should be @files in there | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | in the check that is | 23:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | you want a patch for that? | 23:22 |
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| @Haarg | nah, i've got it | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool. | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I feel like I walked into Home Depot for WebGUI | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd is so flexible and powerful | 23:23 |
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| @Haarg | http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/commit/5b92fede397edda4d7662da137a76a225b387732 | 23:23 |
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| @Haarg | i rather like it :) | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | title and meta tags go _inside_ the head block, right? | 23:27 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | something in the template parser is making YAML puke | 23:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's not adding a newline to the end of the YAML section | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the serializer | 23:34 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 23:35 |
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| @Haarg | it doesn't puke for me | 23:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm having YAML problems | 23:36 |
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| @Haarg | it could be the yaml version yeah | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have YAML.pm, 0.66 | 23:36 |
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| SynQ | I bring good news | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebgUI is in Ubuntu? | 23:37 |
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| @Haarg | try installing YAML::XS | 23:37 |
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| SynQ | I have a daughter named Emma! | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Since WGDev tries to be YAML agnostic, how about a check and conditional newline append? | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa! | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Congratulations, SynQ | 23:37 |
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| @Haarg | congrats SynQ | 23:37 |
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| SynQ | thanks | 23:37 |
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| * SynQ very very proud | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Pictures? | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | no pictures yet | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Tessa come through okay? | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | haven't had any time yet | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | Tessa is fine | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | how is Koen doing? | 23:38 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, i'm going to double check to make sure it works with all the yaml modules it tries to use | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | bit tired of course | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | but so am I (tired) | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | just remember, they smile and giggle when you undo the diaper because they are going to try and crap all over you | 23:39 |
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| SynQ | this was the first chance I got to touch my computer | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | when was she born? | 23:40 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: I know | 23:40 |
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| SynQ | yesterday five to three | 23:40 |
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| SynQ | so 32 hours ago | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | awesome, SynQ. | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | I'll have pictures on line by the weekend I think | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | think/hope | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | she has her own domain name | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | emmadejonge.nl | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | it will be a webgui site of course | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | the best platform to build a site about and for your offspring :) | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | undoubtedly | 23:44 |
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| SynQ | I'm gonna take a Emma with Gooey picture every week | 23:44 |
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| SynQ | and e-mail the url to JT :P | 23:44 |
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| SynQ | ok | 23:44 |
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| SynQ | gotta run | 23:45 |
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| SynQ | later | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | see you! | 23:45 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, can you try installing YAML::XS until i can fix it properly? | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | i think so | 23:46 |
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| * perlDreamer breaks out yum FTW | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | it will be nice when the next rev of YAML comes out | 23:47 |
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| @Haarg | it's going to work like JSON does, using the XS version if possible, and falling back on the perl version | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice. So I gotta ask, why did you choose YAML over JSON? | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | prettier :) | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | since the idea was for it to be human edittable i wanted something more readable | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | i'm still not certain if i want to change the whole serialized format | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's not bad, quite readable | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | i'd like if we could have something universal though | 23:50 |
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| @Haarg | for wgfs and such as well | 23:50 |
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| topsub | How can i edit email template that are sent to a user when they buy something? i can't seem to find it | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the email confirmation in the ITransact plugin | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | so Admin -> Shop -> Pay Drivers | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | looks like I need to write a bad gateway macro test, too | 00:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | seeing lots of ^/;assetUrl | 00:02 |
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| jlittlewood | hi folks. I'm trying to figure something out with users/groups and ldap | 00:02 |
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| jlittlewood | not a technical issue really, but a, well, issue of how to best make something happen | 00:03 |
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| jlittlewood | we've got it set up so that the login is thru ldap, and only people in ldap can login | 00:03 |
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| jlittlewood | but we want them to get automatically entered into a specific webGUI group | 00:03 |
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| jlittlewood | and we don't want to change our ldap set up | 00:03 |
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| jlittlewood | so I used the ^GroupAdd(); macro to put a little link on the login page | 00:04 |
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| jlittlewood | but it's a little unseemingly there | 00:04 |
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| jlittlewood | anyway to get webgui to add someone to a group as soon as they log in, no other steps necessary? | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Do you mean login, or register? | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | login | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | they are already in ldap | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | or am I missing your question? | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | this is a staff-only page | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, people will login several times per week, so it would keep adding them to your group | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I guess that's not bad | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | but they'd already be in there, right? | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | In the WebGUI config file, there is an entry for runOnLogin. I think it will do what you want. | 00:07 |
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| jlittlewood | hunh! | 00:07 |
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| jlittlewood | cool | 00:07 |
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| jlittlewood | what can I make it do? | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | it will run a script when the user logs in | 00:07 |
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| _elnino_ | OOH I just read about this in the admin book.. There is something in settings that will auto register ldap employees.... | 00:07 |
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| jlittlewood | aha | 00:07 |
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| _elnino_ | want me to go find it? | 00:08 |
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| @Haarg | macros are processed in the runOnLogin command | 00:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | No just tease him a little more so he goes out and buys a book ;) | 00:08 |
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| jlittlewood | haha | 00:08 |
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| jlittlewood | I have it | 00:08 |
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| jlittlewood | I didn't think to look in the config | 00:08 |
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| _elnino_ | It's a *NICE* feature! | 00:08 |
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| @Haarg | so that's how you can pass the username/uid/anything else to the script | 00:08 |
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| _elnino_ | there's two radio buttons, enable both, and you'll get what you want I believe. | 00:09 |
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| @Haarg | he already has that i believe | 00:09 |
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| jlittlewood | yeah, this is the next step to make it seemless | 00:09 |
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| jlittlewood | seamless | 00:09 |
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| @Haarg | i'm not sure i understand the problem though | 00:09 |
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| @Haarg | if only ldap users can log in | 00:09 |
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| jlittlewood | but on the site | 00:10 |
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| @Haarg | and you want them all to be in a group | 00:10 |
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| jlittlewood | there will be a mix of "everyone" accessable pages | 00:10 |
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| jlittlewood | and "staff" accessible pages | 00:10 |
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| @Haarg | how would that be different from the registered users group? | 00:10 |
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| _elnino_ | you can build groups based off of ldap groups. | 00:10 |
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| jlittlewood | if we allow posts on blogs, etc | 00:10 |
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| jlittlewood | wouldn't they also be registered users? | 00:10 |
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| @Haarg | well, you can allow visitors to post to blogs | 00:11 |
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| _elnino_ | anyone/everyone who logs in, is is considered a registered user. | 00:11 |
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| @Haarg | but you said only ldap users could log in | 00:11 |
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| jlittlewood | no, you are right | 00:11 |
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| _elnino_ | everyone is "public" and "registered user" | 00:11 |
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| jlittlewood | hmm | 00:11 |
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| _elnino_ | I'll restate that differently: the "everyone" group includes "public" and "registered users" | 00:12 |
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| jlittlewood | word, that might be just the ticket | 00:12 |
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| jlittlewood | you people rock my world sometimes | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, hardcoded extras are all fixed, while I'm in this mode, I'm going to make a test for bad gateway macros next. | 00:18 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9411 /WebGUI/t/hardcodedExtras.t: Make test pass when there are no failures. Yes, it does seem strange. | 00:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9412 /WebGUI/docs/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Fix hardcoded extras URLs in templates and in extra head tags in assets. | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | heh | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | we already have a test for the gateway macros, but it was looking for them in the headBlock :/ | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | fixed the test, and upgraded 4 more templates | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to look at dotted assetIds | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it seems like we should have a check someplace for valid assetIds when they are passed in to be created. | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I'm thinking of just using copy/paste to fix the assetIds. Copy, paste, then delete the original. | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | however, doing that will lose the version history and asset history | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | any concerns with that? | 00:43 |
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| @Haarg | let me check one thing | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | ok | 00:44 |
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| @Haarg | is there a reason you want to avoid using sql directly? | 00:45 |
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| @Haarg | it's not very pretty | 00:45 |
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| @Haarg | but you'll have to update anything using the templates as well | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that has to be done in any case | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was thinking laziness | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | copy/paste will update all asset tables for me | 00:46 |
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| @Haarg | well, upgrade_7.6.0-7.6.1.pl fixShortAssetIds uses sql directly | 00:47 |
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| @Haarg | although i missed assetHistory | 00:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | and believe it or not, there are no templates with dotted assetIds | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | just Snippets (referenced by url) | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | which means that copy/paste will break tht | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll use SQL | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | there are only 4 types of assets that need to be fixed | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Navigation, Folder, Snippet and Image | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | so just a handful of tables | 00:49 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 00:49 |
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| @Haarg | folder will be tricky | 00:49 |
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| @Haarg | well, not tricky | 00:49 |
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| @Haarg | but you'll have to hit parentId in asset as well | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 00:50 |
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| @Haarg | lineage shouldn't need to be rebuilt though | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, that should be fine | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | we could break AssetProxy's though, since you can optionally specify an assetId for that | 00:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think anything in the core does that, though | 00:52 |
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| @Haarg | that's a new feature as well, so i'm not too worried | 00:52 |
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| @Haarg | and i doubt you'd be assetproxying any of that stuff | 00:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe the navigations, but not the folder, Images or snippets | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, maybe the snippets | 00:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Update the templateChecker test to look at extra head tags instead of the defunct | 00:55 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: headBlock. Add URL to the output to make working with wgd easy. | 00:55 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9414 /WebGUI/docs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fix broken gateway macros. ^/;file does not work with prevent proxy cache. | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, There are more De Jonge's in the world today :) | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | Koen has a new baby daughter, Emma | 00:58 |
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| _elnino_ | does synq=koen? | 01:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes | 01:01 |
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| patspam | ah fantastic! | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | He was the tall, skinny fellow from The Netherlands | 01:01 |
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| patspam | she kept him waiting a while :) | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | was she late? | 01:01 |
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| patspam | yeah I think she was expected last week | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's not bad | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | they have a variance of +/- 2 weeks easily | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | s/variance/spread/ | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm learning far more than I ever expected, since Kathy is trying to go to midwife school. | 01:03 |
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| patspam | awesome, such an important job | 01:04 |
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| metanil | what makes WebGUI better than other popular CMS like Drupal, Joomla?? ( I came up with only one answer.. i.e. i like perl.. but are there any other reasons?) | 01:18 |
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| deafferret | metanil: you don't like Python? ;) | 01:20 |
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| deafferret | metanil: (Hi! I'm Jay Hannah) | 01:20 |
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| metanil | hey jay.. whats up? | 01:21 |
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| deafferret | Just working and waiting for perlDreamer to excercise | 01:21 |
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| metanil | (see i sometime come up with weird question in this room). ;) | 01:21 |
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| * perlDreamer already snuck out, deafferret! | 01:21 |
| deafferret | :) | 01:21 |
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| deafferret | "jhannah" was already registered to some bone-head (probably me years ago), and I couldn't convince NickServ to hand it to me | 01:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | so how did you come up with "deafferret" as a nick? | 01:22 |
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| deafferret | I had a deaf ferret in college. | 01:22 |
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| metanil | cool! | 01:22 |
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| metanil | :D | 01:23 |
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| deafferret | he was hard to scare when sleeping :) | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, what makes WebGUI better than the PHP set of CMSes? (Drupal, Joomla, etc.) | 01:24 |
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| @tavisto | *tavisto punches perlDreamer in the head for asking a dumb question* | 01:24 |
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| * perlDreamer is just a dumb perl hacker who has never looked at the others | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | back in 2001, if one used PHP one was asking for hackage | 01:25 |
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| metanil | same here. | 01:25 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, I can't say that WebGUI is better than php CMSes solely because of the language | 01:25 |
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| metanil | perlDreamer: just forward that punch to me sent by tavisto | 01:25 |
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| @tavisto | I'll let you developers argue about that | 01:26 |
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| deafferret | Drupal doesn't hand out purple octopii at Yet Another Perl Conferences... | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | One big difference that I can tell you about is the core software functionality | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | Joomla and Drupal use a minimal core package and then require you to install lots of 3rd party goodies | 01:27 |
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| metanil | yeah i have that purple octopus in my desk. | 01:27 |
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| deafferret | *in*?? Gooey can't breathe! He must be displayed proudly *on* your desk! | 01:27 |
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| @tavisto | these third party goodies (aka plug-ins o' death) are a major pain to keep updated, and often times do not necessarily come from certified sources | 01:28 |
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| metanil | in => on | 01:28 |
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| @tavisto | and, if the maintainer decides to stop upgrading the wiki module, and you upgrade your core, well... you may or may not have a working wiki | 01:28 |
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| metanil | actually ON my speaker | 01:28 |
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| metanil | tavisto: true. | 01:29 |
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| @tavisto | WebGUI includes all of the applications in the core software, therefore upgrades are easy and do not require you to manage 30 plugins each time you do it | 01:29 |
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| @tavisto | other differences... I'm told Joomla and Drupal api's and such is much more chaotic because of the huge # of devs working on just about everything | 01:30 |
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| @tavisto | but again I only soak up stuff I hear from WebGUI peeps. So maybe that's untrue and/or biased. :) | 01:30 |
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| metanil | seems like true to me.. | 01:31 |
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| metanil | (may be because i am already get used to webgui) | 01:31 |
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| @tavisto | Drupal now has a commercially supported version of their product now. It's serviced through that {Aquios) company or whatever it is | 01:32 |
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| @tavisto | However, a good portion of the PHP community CMSes out there don't have a centralized company behind them. If something is only community based, it's not going to cut it in the enterprise (where you need guaranteed service levels) | 01:32 |
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| +Radix-wrk | One advantage all of those php ones have is ease of installation - you can pick prettymuch any hosting account and install them. That's probably one of the biggest issues with WebGUI when it comes to convincing people to go with it. | 01:33 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I love webgui, but that one is what is preventing it from hitting mainstream imho | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Radix-wrk, in that case, it's not just WebGUI, it would be any modperl app. | 01:34 |
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| +Radix-wrk | until it's available via cpanel or plesk or whatever else is used by hosting accounts, it's going to get limited use in comparison | 01:35 |
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| * perlDreamer puts on the Pointer Sisters record -> I'm just spinning doing the Patspam dance | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, dotted assetIds fixed | 01:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | where next? | 01:44 |
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| @Haarg | cool | 01:44 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know, i'm working on improving the upgrade script atm | 01:45 |
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| patspam | heh sorry, Helen turned on my laptop which started competiting with me for my irc login | 01:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | "Helen"? | 01:45 |
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| deafferret | patspam death match! | 01:45 |
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| patspam | helen = my partner | 01:46 |
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| @preaction_ | like, tag-team partner? are you a wrestler? | 01:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'll try the Survey gateway problem next. | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | We're running out of core bugs to work on | 01:50 |
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| patspam | heh, i have cycling bib-knicks that look like the greco-roman wrestling costume | 01:55 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity | 02:00 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you have any luck with that survey issue? | 02:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | some | 02:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have determined that the problem is in javascript | 02:29 |
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| @Haarg | fun | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I just turned on firebug to test it | 02:29 |
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| patspam | perlDreamer: i might be able to help with that | 02:29 |
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| patspam | will be back in 30mins if you're still working on it | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9416 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl): | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix dotted assetIds in the database for the WebGUI 7 Style snippets, navigations, | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: folder and Image assets. | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9417 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): fixed #9623: preload.custom paths not included during upgrade | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revert last two commits, no more development of WebGUI 7.5 | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9419 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the administersurvery javascript, and administersurvey/comm.js | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored createSurveyOrder in ResponseJSON | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added lastSectionIndex, lastQuestionIndex, lastAswerIndex convenience | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: methods to SurveyJSON to simplify iterations over Sections, Questions | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: and Answers | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9420 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Improved createSurveyOrder documentation, and made perlcritic happy | 02:30 |
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| patspam | from memory survey used to write out the gateway url to a js variable on the page | 02:30 |
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| patspam | it was pretty hacky. not sure if your bug is related to that | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | in this case, the gateway is ignored completely | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | when submitting data from a page in the survey | 02:32 |
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| patspam | yep, i think the js gateway variable isn't being used atm | 02:32 |
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| patspam | maybe put that hack back in, and then I'll replace it with a clean solution when i get to the Javascript in my survey refactoring (halfway through the perl code atm) | 02:32 |
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| patspam | bbl | 02:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do I setup a WebGUI server with a non-slash gateway URL? | 02:41 |
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| @preaction_ | edit the gatewayUrl in the config file, and put the webgui modperl directives in a <Location /gatewayUrl> block | 02:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | would you believe that all the old URLs still work? | 02:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | now I can go to /site_map, or gate/site_map and both work | 02:51 |
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| @Haarg | not really a suprize | 02:51 |
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| @preaction_ | did you remove the webgui modperl directives from outside that location block? if not, then yes | 02:51 |
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| @preaction_ | in fact, i think gatewayUrl is really only used to create URLs with, webgui doesn't do any checking using it (it tries to remove it if it's there, but if it's not it doesn't care) | 02:52 |
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| @Haarg | you could always blacklist urls using a rewrite rule since you only need this for testing | 02:53 |
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| @Haarg | we're currently at 2 pages + 1 bug | 02:53 |
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| @Haarg | and one of those bugs is something i'll fix as part of the release process | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | how many of those are core bugs, and how many are bazaar, bugboard, webgui.org bugs? | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, and two translation bugs | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | one of which I think we fixed by moving D::Dumper to using pureperl | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | but needs to be tested | 02:54 |
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| @preaction_ | once stuff settles down on my current project, i'll be hammering out helpdesk bugs and rfes, that thing has officially pissed me off for the last time | 02:54 |
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| @preaction_ | it is destroying me and my programmers' efficiency | 02:55 |
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| @preaction_ | also, if i were to create some webgui API quick-reference pages, which one would you two like first? | 02:56 |
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| @preaction_ | i'm thinking that building forms would be the best, or users and groups | 02:56 |
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| @Haarg | i count around 20 core bugs | 02:56 |
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| @Haarg | is this for anything in particular? | 02:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I had been thinking there were only about 8 | 02:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | but obviously I miscounted badly | 02:58 |
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| @preaction_ | another one could be "Content" (content and URL handlers + the Asset API) | 02:58 |
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| @preaction_ | i mean, how often have we looked at the API as a whole and seen what's really there? | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | you don't write tests very often, do you? :) | 02:59 |
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| @Haarg | not long ago i wrote a quick overview of the package and api | 03:00 |
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| @preaction_ | heh, i don't work on core very often, but even then we're only looking at part of the whole | 03:00 |
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| @Haarg | mainly going over the various parts of the api, nothing about how to use each part | 03:00 |
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| @preaction_ | my two ideas are: quick-ref sheets and a "WebGUI Module Map" detailing what parts are there, which are API and which are plugins | 03:01 |
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| @Haarg | i have to do something like that for the wuc | 03:01 |
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| @preaction_ | which one? | 03:01 |
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| @Haarg | webgui api overview | 03:02 |
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| @preaction_ | i want to do the map first, so we can pool our efforts | 03:02 |
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| @Haarg | i just emailed you the thing i wrote up, may or may not be relevant to what you are talking about | 03:02 |
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| @preaction_ | ok | 03:02 |
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| @preaction_ | yes, that is very relevant | 03:03 |
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| @preaction_ | in fact, what i want is just an expanded version of this. getting people introduced to WebGUI and where to look for things and (for me) a quick reminder of things so i don't have to read teh code all the time | 03:04 |
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| * perlDreamer is looking forward to some API consistency in wG 8 | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | new, create, getId everywhere | 03:05 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, can you think of a good reason for wgdev to not convert all the line endings of text fields to unix style? | 03:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | text fields? like in templates? | 03:20 |
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| @Haarg | everything it sticks into text blocks | 03:20 |
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| @Haarg | which is anything using HTMLArea, Textarea, or Codearea | 03:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know what the designers use for editing templates. Would it mess them up? | 03:20 |
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| @Haarg | they use WebGUI at this point | 03:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't see any reason not to change them | 03:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | even if we were to have wgfs someday, we could do newline translation in the fs layer | 03:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | dinner break | 03:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did it! | 04:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9421 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Replaced ResponseJSON's implementation of shuffle with List::Util's | 04:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: shuffle and updated Colin's ninja shuffle tests | 04:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9422 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the exitURL redirection when a survey is completed and the site uses a gateway url. | 04:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, you might want to pull in 9422 into the survey-rfe branch | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I actually figured it out, which was easy since it was a problem in the perl and not the JS. | 04:38 |
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| daviddelikat | where can i look to find database table definitions? | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | the hard way that always works: docs/create.sql | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought that somebody made a schema page on webgui.org | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe the wiki? | 04:41 |
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| daviddelikat | that is exactly what i was hoping for | 04:42 |
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| daviddelikat | I don't see anything usefull so far in the wiki... | 04:42 |
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| daviddelikat | aha! | 04:42 |
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| @preaction_ | there's a db-schema page somewhere on the site | 04:42 |
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| @preaction_ | i think the wiki has a link | 04:42 |
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| daviddelikat | i did find it, but I think the sql files may be easier to search... | 04:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema | 04:43 |
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| @tavisto | wow, I've been wondering about the DB schema thing for so long | 05:49 |
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| @tavisto | people have asked me that in the past and I've never known the answer to it | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: re the untitled bug, I found this: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic72095.html | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9644 | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | it sounds like purely a client issue with windows | 06:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | we can't do much about it | 06:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd like to post some URLs for help, then close it out. | 06:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did close that bug, and am now working on the advanced search | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's missing code for the date search | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll finish it up tomorrow. | 07:07 |
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| +BartJol | hi binyamin | 13:44 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I'm not able to remove stuff from my site | 15:05 |
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| +BartJol | can't call method"setScratch" on a undefined vale at .../AseetTrash.pm line 256 | 15:06 |
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| topsub2003 | In a collaboration system. what table in the database stores who can post, post a thread, and edit the asset? so far haven't found it in the database | 16:04 |
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| +BartJol | isn't that in the assetData table: | 16:07 |
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| topsub2003 | i see who can edit, but not who can post to a thread in assetData | 16:07 |
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| +BartJol | mmm | 16:07 |
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| topsub2003 | seems there is another table i am missing. looking atm trying to find it | 16:08 |
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| +BartJol | I don't see a canEdit method in the API... | 16:13 |
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| +BartJol | topsub2003: there is a postGroupId in the collaboration table | 16:15 |
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| topsub2003 | hmm Does that handle who can post threads and such? | 16:16 |
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| +BartJol | yes that table handles that | 16:16 |
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| topsub2003 | ah wait.. there is a canStartThreadGroupId | 16:16 |
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| +BartJol | there is also a group .... indeed! | 16:16 |
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| +BartJol | that one | 16:17 |
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| topsub | anyone know were the email template for when you bought something is stored? | 17:04 |
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| topsub | in that email we are getting "You were sent a message from Visitor." and not sure why and wondering if its in the email template | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | topsub: I see some templates in root> Import node > Shop | 17:14 |
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| topsub | oh, i guess i was trying to find it via admin console >> shop | 17:16 |
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| +BartJol | topsub: but you did find it now? | 17:18 |
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| +BartJol | well, the messages are in the payment plugin settings | 17:18 |
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| topsub | ah, so it might be in the paydriver were that message is coming from | 17:21 |
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| +BartJol | yes | 17:23 |
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| topsub | thanks bartJol! | 17:25 |
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| +BartJol | no problem! | 17:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks! | 18:15 |
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| +BartJol | morning, already knew that Koen is a father perlDreamer? | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes, he came into channel yesterday to tell us about Emma | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | we've been spreading the word | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: Have you bought your house yet? | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | still in the process, will take a month or two | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | it's starting to get annoying | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the holdup? | 18:18 |
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| +BartJol | well, before a contract could be signed, wherein I promise to buy took very long (1.5 month) | 18:19 |
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| +BartJol | and now I get money from the government, but before they approve my request will also take 1.5 months | 18:20 |
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| +BartJol | but maybe quicker, if I'm lucky | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | The government buys your house for you? | 18:20 |
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| +BartJol | partially | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you have to pay them back for it? | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | you can get money, if you're 18+, don't have a lot of money and are burying your first house (which can't be too expensive) | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | nope | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | it's a great rule | 18:22 |
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| jlittlewood | hey all -- within webgui, is there any way to dynamically add users to a group based off a regular expression or something? | 18:34 |
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| jlittlewood | like "all registered users with @blarg.org in their username will become part of the Blarg.org group" | 18:35 |
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| @preaction_ | jlittlewood: look in the group edit screen, there's a way to detect users in a group based on an SQL query | 18:35 |
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| jlittlewood | cool, will do | 18:36 |
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| jlittlewood | thanks | 18:36 |
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| +BartJol | but do you have to do that again and again? well, than you can make a workflow | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol, the group definition is dynamic | 18:36 |
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| @preaction_ | BartJol: the sql query is re-run periodically (cache timeout) | 18:36 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 18:36 |
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| @preaction_ | that's why it's just "detect" users, it's not "add" users. you can still assign specific users to that group | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, could I send you a patch for adding an --assetid option to wgdev edit? I don't always know the URL to an asset. | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | sure | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, if you want commit access to the repo at any point just let me know | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg. I'd like to practice messing up my own git repo before I start messing up anyone else's though :D I'm not fully git compliant yet. | 18:44 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9423 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm): Fix broken subfolder synopsis template variable in the Folder. | 19:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9424 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Dates in the galley advanced search were ignored. | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm stuck on bug fixing. | 19:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: got any interesting bugs? | 20:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | the IE6 transaction manager bug looks interesting, but I don't have a copy of IE6 to test with | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm wondering if the assetManager is broken, too, since they both use the DataTable | 20:18 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, you need qemu and a XP image. | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have a copy of VirtualBox. | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | then it's just the XP. | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wonder what it costs down the road... | 20:20 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, which I think MS has started charging "one million dollars!!" for, in an effort to discourage not using their latest crapware. | 20:20 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I don't see an IE bug listed. | 20:25 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | ah, 9611 | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9611 | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | is IE6 also in SP3, or do I need something older than that? | 20:27 |
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| * perlDreamer heads to the other office and sign some refinance papers, bbiaw | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret, no exercise involved, you're clear | 20:33 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, anyone ran 7.6.11's testEnvironment? It seems to have a major memory leak at the end of it. At least on 64 bit Fedora. | 20:38 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Using the 8.5 wre | 20:39 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, weird, the run up in memory happens after the very last execution in the app. | 20:40 |
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| bernd__ | Haarg, the character encoding problem still persists! | 21:13 |
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| @Haarg | you are using the latest translationserver.cgi? | 21:14 |
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| bernd__ | No. | 21:14 |
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| bernd__ | Going to update instantly. | 21:14 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, xp sp3 is still ie6 | 21:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll see about getting a copy today or tomorrow | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the meantime, how do I setup a dashboard? | 21:29 |
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| bernd__ | Haarg, it works! | 21:37 |
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| bernd__ | Thanks for reacting promptly! | 21:37 |
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| @Haarg | after adding the dashboard, you paste shortcuts as children of it iirc | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try that | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, I see now | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | You make shortcuts | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | then you go to the dashboard and hit Add New Content, which brings up a menu of stuff to add | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for me to head back to the main office and get some lunch, bbiaw, all | 22:24 |
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| Lisette | there is an example of soaplistener for Web service client? | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, now that we have a workaround/fix for the translation encoding, do we need to do anything special to close out the bug that refers to it? | 23:14 |
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| @Haarg | no | 23:14 |
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| @Haarg | i closed it already | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | even better :) | 23:14 |
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| Lisette | how to do to obtain the response of a webservie with web service client? | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i ended up doing the asset id option to wgd edit a bit different | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll do a pull | 00:05 |
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| @Haarg | now it just tries using the param as an id first, and as a url if it doesn't work | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's nice, you can mix on the commandline | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | you could probably use session->id->valid as a safe first pass check | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | probably | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | it currently just checks for / | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's even simpler | 00:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the dashboard bug fixed | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm going to try the hover help css problem next | 00:14 |
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| bernd__ | Good night everyone! And happy hacking... | 00:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9425 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a dashboard bug where scripts and css needed by user profile fields were not | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: sent via an AJAX method in the shortcut. | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9426 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: When data is successfully saved from the edit user preferences form, make it | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: redraw the Dashboard, instead of the shortcut. | 00:24 |
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| @tavisto | topsub | 00:55 |
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| @tavisto | have you used the consolidated shopping cart screen for a customer project yet? | 00:56 |
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| @tavisto | I have a guy who wants to let visitors purchase stuff on his WebGUI site. I think that feature was included in your customized shopping cart | 00:56 |
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| topsub | hey | 00:58 |
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| topsub | ya i did | 00:58 |
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| topsub | thats why we built it was because a client needed it | 00:58 |
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| topsub | your talking about the 1 page checkout correct? | 00:58 |
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| topsub | The client we built that for is lanching their site tomorrow i believe | 00:58 |
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| topsub | we finished up things today | 00:58 |
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| knowmad | tavisto: i heard you're talking about us | 01:01 |
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| @tavisto | yo | 01:01 |
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| @tavisto | your spies are correct | 01:01 |
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| topsub | lol | 01:01 |
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| topsub | you need that feature tavisto? | 01:02 |
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| @tavisto | so, here's what I want to know.... have you deployed any of that custom e-commerce code that allows for the consolidated check out screen and allows visitors to complete purchases? | 01:02 |
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| knowmad | btw, i spoke to Agnes today | 01:02 |
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| @tavisto | oh cool, hopefully you'll be able to help her | 01:02 |
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| topsub | you want a non registered user to be able to buy something? | 01:03 |
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| knowmad | yeah, i'm trying to come up with something that will help but also meet her budget | 01:03 |
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| @tavisto | There's a guy who purchased hosting from PB today, but he wants a single click transaction that doesn't require user registration | 01:03 |
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| knowmad | our client with that one-page checkout was scheduled to launch today | 01:03 |
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| @tavisto | nice, did it happen? | 01:03 |
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| topsub | later this evening i heard they are switching the dns | 01:03 |
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| knowmad | but it doesn't look like that happened | 01:04 |
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| knowmad | oh | 01:04 |
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| @tavisto | coolio, I'd like to see that | 01:04 |
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| knowmad | so tomorrow you can visit www.counciloned.com | 01:04 |
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| @tavisto | so anyway, instead of turning this guy away, I'd like to hook you up | 01:04 |
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| topsub | tavisto, yes we have that feature on that site | 01:04 |
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| @tavisto | do you provide the hosting as well? | 01:05 |
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| knowmad | yeah, we do provide hosting | 01:05 |
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| topsub | yes we can provide hosting | 01:05 |
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| @tavisto | excellent | 01:05 |
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| @tavisto | excellent | 01:05 |
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| @tavisto | :) | 01:05 |
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| knowmad | well, jt might not think so but the WRE makes it so dang easy for us to self-host | 01:05 |
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| @tavisto | oh yeah? | 01:08 |
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| topsub | tavisto, is it one product this guy needs or multi? | 01:08 |
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| knowmad | we do so little hosting he probably doesn't notice | 01:08 |
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| @tavisto | William, I'll include the website URL in my email to him. Should I include your email as well? | 01:09 |
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| @tavisto | he said he's just selling 1 thing | 01:09 |
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| Lisette | why when i add a web service client shows me the next error: WARN - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: home Root cause: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440.?? | 01:09 |
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| Lisette | anyone knows? | 01:09 |
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| knowmad | tavisto: sure | 01:10 |
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| knowmad | Lisette: sounds like a bug | 01:10 |
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| Lisette | mmm because when i do this in the demo version, it's works | 01:11 |
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| Lisette | but in my site don't work | 01:11 |
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| knowmad | what version of wG? i thought that the Web Service asset was removed from core recently | 01:11 |
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| knowmad | but then i wouldn't expect to see it in the demo | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisette, the demo site always uses the latest stable, which in this case is 7.5.40 | 01:11 |
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| Lisette | i have 7.5.25 | 01:11 |
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| knowmad | perlDreamer: wasn't the asset she's talking about removed from core? | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | knowmad, yes, in 7.6. But if your site was using it, it was not removed from your local install. | 01:12 |
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| knowmad | so that explains why it's still showing up in the demo | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 01:12 |
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| knowmad | Lisette: you may want to check the changelog to see if any bugs against that asset were fixed since 7.5.25 | 01:13 |
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| Lisette | ok, thanks | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm about 99% positive that there were some bugs fixed | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | since I remember fixing them | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I've done so much coding in the last two months that it's all blurring together | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need a dev with opera to help me test a bug fix. | 01:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Any volunteers? | 01:22 |
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| @Haarg | i can | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll commit the fix, and then revert it if it doesn't work. | 01:24 |
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| @tavisto | Knowmad, I sent off that email so I'm sure he'll contact you soon. Actually I'll forward you the email he sent to me as well. | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, it's rev 9427 | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | to duplicate the bug, just look at any hoverhelp. If you do not see a yellow bar below the text, it's fixed. | 01:25 |
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| knowmad | tavisto: Thanks! | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | Survey hoverhelp will show a yellow background to all the text, due to the styling | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | yep no problem | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm still kind of shocked. I wrote javascript and it worked the first time. | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | benefit #721 of being a Plain Black partner, lead sharing. | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | hehe | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | should be perfect though, he gets all the cool features of wG with a Knowmad shopping cart. | 01:27 |
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| @Haarg | hover help looks fine in opera 9.63 | 01:27 |
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| topsub | lol | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll update the changelog and close the bug. | 01:27 |
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| topsub | powered by knowmad. inspired by topsub | 01:28 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9427 /WebGUI/www/extras/hoverhelp.js: Prototype fix for yellow hoverhelp lines in opera/firefox. | 01:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9428 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document the hoverhelp fix in the changelog. | 01:50 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer : the fix you posted for the gallary search page woks fine for the search itself but the date is still displayed wrong. | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | it displays okay for me | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | which browser are you using? | 03:33 |
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| daviddelikat | is this likely to be something in the database? | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is all form work | 03:34 |
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| daviddelikat | my dates still say 02/03/31 | 03:34 |
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| daviddelikat | sorry... | 03:34 |
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| daviddelikat | that is what it says on the gallary page | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | gallery page? The main page of the gallery, or the album page? | 03:34 |
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| daviddelikat | on the search page it says 12/31/69 | 03:34 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer does not make mistakes | 03:34 |
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| @rizen | how dare you question his fix | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, he does not | 03:34 |
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| @rizen | !!!!!!! | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | He makes catastrophically bad judgement calls based on wild guesses | 03:35 |
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| daviddelikat | that would be the album page | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let me build one up real quick. | 03:35 |
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| daviddelikat | here http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ | 03:36 |
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| daviddelikat | I just updated my code the afternoon | 03:37 |
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| daviddelikat | ( and restarted modperl ) | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | So if I click on the album page, I should see bad dates... | 03:38 |
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| daviddelikat | yes, in white text on off-white background | 03:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see that bad date on your page. | 03:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | but on the one that I built, it's just fine. | 03:39 |
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| daviddelikat | no the album is fine, its the search page that sows them wrong | 03:39 |
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| daviddelikat | perhaps I should start over. | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would help :) | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | thank you | 03:40 |
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| daviddelikat | the album has the correct date: 020409... | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | that I see | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | what do I click on next? | 03:40 |
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| daviddelikat | click on advanced search | 03:40 |
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| daviddelikat | set the dates to 2/1/09 and today | 03:41 |
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| daviddelikat | and click search | 03:41 |
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| daviddelikat | you see the album and the picture | 03:41 |
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| daviddelikat | the date on the bottom of the picture is 12/31/69 | 03:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, now I see. | 03:41 |
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| daviddelikat | in white text on off-white background | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | from the bug, it sounded like the dates were wrong in the search boxes | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | not the photo display | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll look into it. | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have an idea that I already know what's wrong | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | but we shall see | 03:42 |
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| daviddelikat | this is why i failed english.... | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, would you mind posting a bug about this issue specifically? | 03:43 |
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| daviddelikat | sure | 03:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh dear | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's really mucked up | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wonder who did that | 03:46 |
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| * perlDreamer looks around for someone else to blame | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps somebody new... | 03:47 |
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| daviddelikat | hmmm???? | 03:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, after digging around some, it turns out it's been that way for a while | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is the problem | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | <div class="date"> Created ^D("%M/%d/%Y",^International('template file creationDate','Asset_GalleryAlbum'););</div> | 03:48 |
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| daviddelikat | your ticket sir: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9675 | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Now, given that line, can you tell me what's wrong? | 03:48 |
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| daviddelikat | looks like it doesn't have a date valule to format | 03:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the problem | 03:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | it should be something more like | 03:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | <div class="date">^International("template file creationDate","Asset_GalleryDate"); ^D("%M/%d%Y", <tmpl_var creationDate>);</div> | 03:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and since I recently did a huge amount of template i18n, I'm guessing that I broke preaction_'s beautiful search template. | 03:50 |
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| daviddelikat | that looks senseble | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | jmarsden|work: what's the good word on Ubuntu? | 03:51 |
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| jmarsden|work | I've not checked today whether anyone reviewed my package yet... let me check... | 03:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | in addition to randomly breaking templates in WebGUI, I'm also known for impatience. | 03:53 |
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| jmarsden|work | No real reviews yet, one comment saying "The changelog does not close a bug from Launchpad. New packages should have a needs-packaging bug and the upload close it using the syntax "(LP: #nnnn)". | 03:53 |
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| * perlDreamer has all sorts of problems... | 03:53 |
| jmarsden|work | The comment is correct, so I should do that. | 03:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, maybe that's why it's not getting a lot of comments | 03:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: I've just started using wgdev, and I've decided that Haarg needs to be promoted to Overlord of Internal Tool development | 03:55 |
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| jmarsden|work | Possible; I think it is more that it is a relatively big/complex piece of software to check, and no- MOTUs with the time/energy to do it have yet come along... | 03:55 |
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| @rizen | pretty cool eh? | 03:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's awesome! | 03:55 |
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| @rizen | i haven't looked at the newest version | 03:55 |
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| @rizen | i really need to get a copy | 03:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's on github.com | 03:56 |
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| @rizen | i know, i just haven't gotten it yet | 03:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | all fixed up, daviddelikat | 04:01 |
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| daviddelikat | so how does that get passed down to users? is the template in a file somewhere? | 04:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | in docs/upgrades/packages-my.next.version | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | there will be a bunch of WebGUI package files | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | those are little bundled up assets with their collateral | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | extra tables, storage objects, files, etc, and all their asset properties | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | when the user upgrades, it will overwrite the default webgui template on their site | 04:04 |
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| daviddelikat | does that get loaded when modperl restarts? | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | the package will be automatically inserted into the db on an upgrade | 04:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | or, it can be manually loaded | 04:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the asset manager | 04:05 |
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| daviddelikat | I'll try that... | 04:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'll find it in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11 | 04:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for dinner, later guys! | 04:06 |
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| daviddelikat | I saw it when I updated... | 04:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | svn up, yes. But how about perl upgrade.pl --doit? | 04:06 |
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| daviddelikat | will that insert it into the database? | 04:06 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9429 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the display of creationDate in the gallery search template. | 04:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:25 |
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| ries | Hey All.. checking the wiki.... but.... does webgui make a good CMS for a community sort of website where uses can post there blogs, news, galleries, tip-a-friend yada yada yada.... We expect around 500.000 active users (not at the same time) and host around 10.000.000 images RDBM would be preferred PostgreSQL | 04:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | to the best of my knowledge, WebGUI does not work with PostgreSQL | 04:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | That being said, I don't think anyone's tried it for a long time | 04:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI can do all the things that you mentioned. Blogs, news feeds, photo galleries, calendars (with ical feeds) | 04:27 |
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| ries | perlDreamer: I guess it would be possible to make it with PostgreSQL? Assuming that webgui uses a RDBM of some sort... | 04:28 |
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| ries | perlDreamer: Basicly they asked me to make a multi-domain multi-language website(s) where news is shared between domains aswell as users | 04:28 |
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| ries | they can publish there photo's of art-work and sell that | 04:29 |
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| ries | inter-user communication, that sort of work... | 04:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | ries, the RDBM that WebGUI uses is MySQL. There are no mapping layers between the object code and DB that would make it database agnostic. | 04:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can also do ecommerce with WebGUI | 04:31 |
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| ries | So it would be suitable for a community oriented website, rather then admin users creating and publishing content... Right? | 04:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Definitely | 04:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | For example, see the Bazaar on webgui.org | 04:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | all user contributed content, where you can optionally give it away, or sell it | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | that code isn't in the core yet, but it is available as a plugin | 04:32 |
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| ries | About MySQL... we have zero experience with MySQL so we would beable to change this to PostgreSQL (we have the resources) ... | 04:32 |
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| ries | if possible that is | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Anything is possible with enough coding and time. | 04:33 |
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| ries | The initial idea was to build a CMS from scratch, I said let's first look around and see what is available... so we have the $$$ | 04:33 |
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| @rizen | it doesnt take a lot of exp with mysql to do it well | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | but, you can also use the WRE, WebGUI Runtime Environment, which is basically a software appliance setup for managing WebGUI sites. It does all the heavy db setup work for you | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | ries, rizen is Mr. WebGUI. | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it can be done with WebGUI, has been done, or someone in Siberia thought about WebGUI, rizen knows about it | 04:35 |
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| ries | rizen: We just don't have the experience to do that well and MySQL .... | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to scoot for the evening | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | later, all | 04:35 |
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| @rizen | if you have the $$ to do a big project then surely you can spend a few of those learning MySQL. Especially since WebGUI will do all the work for you so you don't need to build your own custom CMS | 04:36 |
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| ries | rizen: We are writing our requirements better.. we identified around 36 modules we need for the site to function and I am specifing them | 04:36 |
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| ries | MySQL is not really an option for us due to historical experience.... (we lost a DB twice due to MySQL not being stable) yes we had a backup, but not a happy client | 04:37 |
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| @rizen | i've had the same experience with Postgres and Oracle | 04:37 |
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| @rizen | that doesn't mean i never use them anymore | 04:37 |
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| ries | rizen: About learning MySQL... we would need to hrie a company then, something we are planning to... but rather hire a company that knows PostgreSQL better then us | 04:37 |
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| @rizen | what you're saying is that you can't run unless you buy Nike brand shoes to run in | 04:37 |
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| @rizen | that's religion, not technology | 04:38 |
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| @preaction_ | only problem i've ever had with mysql is me not knowing that a restart will reconnect the slave to the master | 04:38 |
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| ries | rizen: yes it's part religion, I just don't want to debate it :) | 04:38 |
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| @rizen | fair enough | 04:38 |
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| @rizen | unfortunately that means WebGUI's not for you | 04:38 |
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| @rizen | it only runs on MySQL | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | i wish i could helpyou | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | but unfortunately i can't debate religion | 04:39 |
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| ries | rizen: I don't want even debate it.... | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | i just said that | 04:39 |
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| ries | it's apple vs PC, PHP vs Java, etc etc... it's personal choise | 04:39 |
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| ries | rizen: anyways, would it be good by the time I have the requirements I contact you? It might be interesting to let it run on PG and we could sponsor that 100% | 04:40 |
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| @rizen | you mean contact us to convert webgui to run on PG? | 04:41 |
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| ries | Indeed.... and if you could help us to find the right people to build the website | 04:41 |
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| @rizen | absolutely | 04:41 |
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| @preaction_ | would it also fulfill the goal of running on drizzle? | 04:41 |
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| @rizen | jt@plainblack.com | 04:41 |
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| @rizen | i don't have any religion about databases, so if you want us to make webgui run on PG we'll do it for you | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | i don't think it would be terribly difficult | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | it used to run on PG several years ago | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | but only 3 out of the 10,000 sites we know about used it | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | so it wasn't worth maintaining | 04:42 |
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| ries | preaction_: Drizzle would be to know... we try not to experiment with new technology (even if it was a fork of existing) | 04:43 |
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| ries | rizen: I fully understand, for that reason about 90% of the CMS systems run on MySQL.... | 04:43 |
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| @preaction_ | right, i'm just saying if we stop relying on so much mysql-ese SQL, it might be beneficial to our desire to run on drizzle | 04:43 |
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| @preaction_ | (which as i understand is a mysql without so much of the mysql-ese that causes bloat) | 04:44 |
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| ries | rizen: it would not be for a couple of weeks before I have writen everything down better... but will contact you... | 04:44 |
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| @rizen | k | 04:44 |
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| ries | preaction_: That's what I understood about Drizzle to.... However with this project I cannot experiment | 04:45 |
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| ries | thanks | 04:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9430 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (4 files): Update from translation server | 12:14 |
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| wgGuest40 | hello | 14:04 |
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| wgGuest40 | i have a problem with webgui | 14:04 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 14:05 |
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| +BartJol | let's hear | 14:05 |
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| wgGuest40 | i want create content for wiki module and get category list | 14:06 |
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| wgGuest40 | this is possible ? | 14:07 |
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| +BartJol | probably, but I should check that | 14:07 |
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| wgGuest48 | for collaboration asset content is message board | 14:08 |
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| wgGuest48 | how i get content for wiki module | 14:09 |
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| wgGuest48 | ?:( | 14:09 |
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| +BartJol | in the help, there are some template variables, I think you should check those | 14:10 |
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| +BartJol | just add to the end of your url ?op=viewHelpIndex | 14:10 |
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| wgGuest48 | ok thanks, I check it | 14:10 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg where can i get the latest version of wgd? | 16:54 |
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| +BartJol | daviddelikat: you mean the svn version? | 17:00 |
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| +BartJol | wgd? | 17:00 |
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| daviddelikat | graham wrote a cool script called wgd that handles lots of odd functions | 17:01 |
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| +BartJol | aah | 17:01 |
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| daviddelikat | like reset a whole wg site and stuff like that | 17:01 |
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| daviddelikat | i've got an old version that seems to be missing the good stuff... | 17:01 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I don't know that script | 17:02 |
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| daviddelikat | its not in the main svn but i think it may be in git somewhere | 17:03 |
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| daviddelikat | woot has 'Ion Audio Portable USB Turntable' | 17:03 |
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| daviddelikat | where else would you see a USB LP? | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/ | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | that contains the wgd script | 17:05 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 17:05 |
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| daviddelikat | do you know how to convert that URL to a checkout URL? | 17:07 |
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| +BartJol | well, if you get it with svn, you should be ok | 17:08 |
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| +BartJol | I'm not an svn hero, unfortunately | 17:08 |
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| daviddelikat | I tried it with svn co and got a 'not wellformed xml' error | 17:08 |
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| +BartJol | trailing slashes do seem to cause some trouble | 17:09 |
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| daviddelikat | 'https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools' -- works | 17:10 |
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| +BartJol | well do that and just delete the rest | 17:10 |
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| +BartJol | ugly, but it works | 17:10 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | mmm, anyone tested the new skin on the survey in HEAD? Doesn't look like the buttons work anymore. | 17:42 |
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| daviddelikat | I was looking at surveys too and had problems | 17:43 |
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| daviddelikat | haven't really tried to pinpoint it thogh | 17:43 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | not seeing a JS error. | 17:43 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | looks like events aren't being triggered. Which is weird as the button click is all YUI. | 17:43 |
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| daviddelikat | which buttons are you pushing? | 17:44 |
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| daviddelikat | I just updated my whole site, reset the db and all and when I try to edit I get three links and a textbox | 17:45 |
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| daviddelikat | not a textbox, just a frame | 17:45 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, the button events are no longer being registered. | 17:45 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | This is usually a quiet dying JS error somewhere above. | 17:46 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | upstream I mean. | 17:46 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | I'm pushing the multiple choice. | 17:46 |
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| daviddelikat | i have a parseJSON error | 17:46 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | nice, its dying so quietly, not eve a try catch is catching it. | 17:51 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | ah, I see. The new skin breaks the hidden questions. | 17:52 |
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| @Haarg | daviddelikat, i updated the wgd script in svn | 18:01 |
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| daviddelikat | sometimes you just have to admit when you have a problem... I can't find the search option on this page: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/how-to-use-the-bazaar | 18:01 |
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| @Haarg | also, i have it on github - http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/tree/master | 18:01 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9431 /tools/wgd: updating wgd script to latest version | 18:07 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg : getting a funky error from wgd | 18:14 |
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| daviddelikat | Can't modify constant item in concatenation (.) or string at /data/tools/wgd line 424, near "}msx" | 18:14 |
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| daviddelikat | (Might be a runaway multi-line {} string starting on line 419) | 18:14 |
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| daviddelikat | BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at /data/tools/wgd line 478. | 18:14 |
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| @Haarg | heh | 18:14 |
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| @Haarg | what command did you try to run? | 18:14 |
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| daviddelikat | none | 18:14 |
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| @Haarg | hrm | 18:14 |
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| daviddelikat | perhaps its my version of perl? 5.8.8 | 18:15 |
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| @Haarg | odd | 18:15 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 18:15 |
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| @Haarg | i've been using 5.10, and apparently it isn't a problem there | 18:16 |
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| @Haarg | let me try to fix it quick | 18:16 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: the buttons work. But somethings screwed up in the styles. | 18:19 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | mcbutton and mcbutton-selected now look exactly alike. | 18:19 |
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| daviddelikat | which buttons are we talking about? | 18:19 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | multiple choice | 18:21 |
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| daviddelikat | I'm not even getting there. | 18:21 |
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| daviddelikat | take a look at mine... http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/home/untitled?func=editSurvey | 18:22 |
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| daviddelikat | you'll have to login, but its the default password | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | daviddelikat, wgd should be fixed now | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | i think it was caused by a bug in perl but i'm not certain | 18:22 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: looks like debug mode is on. | 18:23 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | probably messing up the styles or something. | 18:23 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2 : I didnot used to have this problem | 18:24 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg : how long before it hits svn | 18:24 |
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| @Haarg | should be there now | 18:24 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: I don't know what's going on. | 18:24 |
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| @Haarg | or maybe i'm still stupid | 18:25 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg : its there, but perl 8 still doesn't like it. don't worry for now... I just reset before I got this version I should be good for a while | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd is in svn now? | 18:27 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: it works OK with debug off | 18:27 |
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| @Haarg | the compiled version is in tools | 18:27 |
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| @Haarg | ok, fixed for real this time | 18:29 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: hmm, i"m not seeing the style sheets being loaded anymore. | 18:29 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: perl 8 is complaining about a different pattern now. probably a newer feature.... | 18:29 |
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| @Haarg | it's not a newer feature :/ i think it's just a bug | 18:29 |
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| @Haarg | but i just updated the version in svn and i think it should work now | 18:29 |
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| daviddelikat | yup, sgood | 18:30 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 18:30 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: I'm looking at the default survey take template and I don't see the css files being loaded. Yet firebug assures me there are being loaded, they just don't have any content. | 18:34 |
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| @Haarg | perl -e'qr/^\Q=\E/' | 18:34 |
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| @Haarg | works in 5.10, breaks in 5.8.8 | 18:34 |
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| @Haarg | wasn't expecting that | 18:34 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: \Q \E is not in perl 5.8 I checked my book... | 18:36 |
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| @Haarg | yes it is - http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.8/pod/perlre.pod | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | it works without the ^ or if you change the = to something else | 18:37 |
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| daviddelikat | ok its not in the index.... I found it in the text... | 18:37 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: okay, I give up. The temlate with this survey doesn't load any css, yet my firebug thinks it is there (if empty), and the view source shows it being loaded from the root path, which I'm guessing means it has been turned into snippets. | 18:38 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: didn't you say you were moving the survey css to snippets? | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | what did I do with the survey... | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yesterday I commented about the help variables | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I posted back to Jamie's bug about answer text and recorded text | 18:40 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | for the life of me I can't find where the css is being loaded. | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | extra head tags? | 18:40 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | those don't show up in the editor anymore. | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, they're on the next tab | 18:40 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9432 /tools/wgd: fixing regex in wgd for perl 5.8.8 | 18:41 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9433 /tools/wgd: another wgd perl 5.8.8 fix | 18:41 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | holy crap they are in metadata? | 18:41 |
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| * perlmonkey2 wonders off to do something else. | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | which template are we talking about? take, edit, ... | 18:42 |
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| daviddelikat | survey.css is empty/doesn't exists | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | there is a survey.css in extras, but the URLs don't point to it | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | looks like somebody forgot to upload a snippet in a commit | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to go through the svn logs | 18:48 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: yes, I'll add it. | 18:49 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | someone moved the css from the extras to a snippet and apparently missed one. | 18:49 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | although why anyone woudl want it in a snippet over extras is beyond me. | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | the graphics designers can't easily get to extras? | 18:50 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | ah, yes. | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and they're used to hacking stuff through the UI? | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's just a guess | 18:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we just need to get the person who commited survey-style to add survey.css to the upgrades area? | 18:50 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I can just export the snippet package and put it in the 7.6.11 upgrades, right? Never packaged a snippet before. | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | packages don't really care what they are | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're just dumb little data balls | 18:51 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, tested it with the handy dandy wgd to reset it and run updates. Guess I'll submit it. | 18:53 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | although a designer really should go over those buttons. The default YUI ones are much sexier. | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll drop the designer an email, and remind her to make sure everything got committed. | 18:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd hold off on the commit | 18:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | it'll just be overwritten | 18:54 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | whups | 18:54 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | oh well....I'm sure she'll name i the same and put it in the same place. | 18:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | or i could roll that commit back? | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought I'd save you some keystrokes | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it's already in, no sweat | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | You know, if we ask the template designers to use the International macro to provide text, we need to give them a way to search the i18n system to see what labels already exist, and which ones need to be added. | 19:11 |
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| +BartJol | i18n? | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | internationalization = i + 18 characters + n = i18n | 19:14 |
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| +BartJol | ooh, only 18 chracters, I can handle that | 19:15 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9434 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added survey.css as a snippet. Had been left out. | 19:16 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9435 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/survey.css.wgpkg: Added survey.css as a snippet. Had been left out. | 19:16 |
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| carogray | hi all... | 19:21 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hello carogray | 19:21 |
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| carogray | quick question about site wide search and replace... | 19:21 |
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| carogray | is it possible? We have a whole section on Income and Benefits /Food Stamps | 19:21 |
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| carogray | Department of Transitional Assistance has now changed the program to SNAP can't remember what the acronym is... | 19:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | carogray, in the core WebGUI doesn't have anything like that, but there is an open RFE for it. | 19:22 |
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| carogray | is it possible to replace every instance of Food Stamps with ...aah | 19:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it could be done with an external script | 19:22 |
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| carogray | ...an external script? We pay PB or some WG true Guru to write it and apply it? | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, or have somebody in house do it | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, rizen: bug or RFE -> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9677 | 19:23 |
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| carogray | OUR house?!!!! | 19:23 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | carogray: you might be able to do something in the database. | 19:25 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | seems like I did something like that a long time ago.... | 19:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | carogray, I don't know if you guys write code or not. I just don't want you to think that you absolutely have to pay somebody to get it done if you _do_ have coders to work with. | 19:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | and perlmonkey2 is right, it could be done with SQL, or with perl | 19:27 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: naw, seems like a single statement would search every column in every table. | 19:28 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | looking for it now (if it exists) | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | there is a replace function that works on strings | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | REPLACE() | 19:31 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | carogray: is it only articles that need updating? | 19:31 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: why is that a question | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | the feature exists and doesn't work | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | so it's a bug | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, it works exactly like it's coded. It's like it was only intended to work on new posts/threads. | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll fix it. | 19:45 |
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| carogray | perldreamer and perlmonkey2 - sorry how rude. I kind of zoned out...very distracted these days.. | 19:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | We're very patient | 19:48 |
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| carogray | no one really writes code at ours..Sandra does a bit, but she is not really a coder and hasn't got a very high tolerance for frustration | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you have a support contract with Plain Black, depending on the details this could fall underneath that. | 19:49 |
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| carogray | When you say only articles...It's articles, titles and menu titles of page layouts. I wouldn't worry about URLs | 19:50 |
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| carogray | I think our support contract with PB is pretty limited - login requests and message board only...as well of course as keeping our server updated and maintained | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm sure that if you posted all the details on the board, they'd either send you a script or ask you if you want a quote to have them build one for you. | 19:55 |
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| carogray | well that sounds a mighty useful suggestion - will try it and see what happens! thanks PerlDreamer. | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, that's much easier than doing hours of manual page crawling and edits | 19:57 |
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| carogray | no kidding. thanks - my biggest problem is simply waiting while WG saves the page! | 20:01 |
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| carogray | it's never fast enough for me. | 20:01 |
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| carogray | or the server or the connection or whatever -- gotta go! thanks | 20:01 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:09 |
| * deafferret eats a Snickers | 20:15 |
| * daviddelikat eats ho-hos | 21:00 |
| daviddelikat | javascript anyone | 21:00 |
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| daviddelikat | ?? | 21:01 |
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| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9671 | 21:01 |
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| daviddelikat | a very interesting bug... | 21:01 |
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| daviddelikat | when the admin bar loads normally it sets a property 'hasAnimation' to 1 and starts its work... | 21:04 |
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| daviddelikat | then later when the anim is done it sets it back to 0 | 21:04 |
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| daviddelikat | when surveys are loaded it never gets set back to 0 so the next time you try | 21:04 |
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| daviddelikat | to change the part displayed, it thinks that there is an animation underway and bugs out so as not to interfere | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | is the whole internet slow, or is it just me? | 22:18 |
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| bernd__ | You! | 22:18 |
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| bernd__ | Fast enough= | 22:19 |
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| bernd__ | ? | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm waiting about 5 minutes for webgui.org to come up | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | cnn.com is the same | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | use.perl.org | 22:19 |
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| bernd__ | Let me check... | 22:19 |
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| deafferret | cnn.com is instant for me | 22:19 |
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| deafferret | +- 1s | 22:19 |
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| bernd__ | Hm. I believe my connection is fine. | 22:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's my proxy | 22:36 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9437 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (2 files): Updated Data Table templates to be compliant with Rogier's templating project | 22:37 |
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| bernd__ | You are using a web-proxy? | 22:38 |
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| bernd__ | Why that? | 22:38 |
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| bernd__ | Is it faster usually? | 22:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | content filtering | 22:39 |
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| bernd__ | Ah, the kids? | 22:40 |
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| bernd__ | Or don't you trust yourself =) | 22:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | both | 22:41 |
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| bernd__ | I assume, it blocks access to webgui-related sites during sleeping time? | 22:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, it mainly blocks adult content | 22:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | and anything related to python | 22:43 |
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| bernd__ | Python? Such a terrible language? | 22:44 |
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| bernd__ | Or even better and you do not want to be tempted? | 22:45 |
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| @frodwith | at least they fixed scoping in 3k, thank Guido. | 22:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | it has no braces and minimal punctuation. How can that be a good language? | 22:45 |
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| bernd__ | Braces are confusing. | 22:45 |
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| * frodwith adores Python. | 22:45 |
| bernd__ | I could lieve without. | 22:45 |
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| bernd__ | live | 22:46 |
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| @frodwith | it doesn't have -no- bracers, pd. It just doesn't overload them for blocks. | 22:46 |
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| bernd__ | Hm, maybe we should start rewriting webgui in python. | 22:46 |
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| @frodwith | Arrrgh | 22:47 |
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| bernd__ | That is, perlDreamer would have to do the work, of course :-) | 22:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think not | 22:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | pythonDreamer is way too long to type | 22:47 |
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| @frodwith | also, python isn't a better language than perl. It's just different. | 22:47 |
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| @frodwith | perl is somewhat more flexible. | 22:48 |
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| bernd__ | Alright. I do not believe in the "best-language-of-the-world" concept, anyhow. | 22:48 |
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| @frodwith | I do. It's called lisp! But that's a troll for another day. | 22:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've used lisp. It's worse than python | 22:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | carrrdddrrr | 22:49 |
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| bernd__ | There are just too many languages in the world. | 22:49 |
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| elnino | aggreed | 22:49 |
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| @frodwith | Not enough, bernd. Not enough. | 22:49 |
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| elnino | what web-proxy software do you use perlDreamer? | 22:49 |
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| bernd__ | I have gone through basic, forth, c, c++, java and now perl. | 22:49 |
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| bernd__ | Where will it end? | 22:50 |
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| elnino | fortran!!! | 22:50 |
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| @frodwith | Hopefully nowhere. Learning is fun! | 22:50 |
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| elnino | cobol! | 22:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, it's through my ISP as a service. | 22:50 |
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| @frodwith | learning cobol is -not- fun | 22:50 |
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| bernd__ | In that case you should start rewriting webgui. Just for the fun of it! | 22:50 |
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| * elnino wonders if I'm dating myself. | 22:50 |
| @frodwith | bernd: rewriting software is an exercise in futility 99 times out of 100. | 22:51 |
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| elnino | I found a way cool site that tracks windows os from the beginning and another chart for all th eprogramming languages. I have to dig that up. It was cool. | 22:51 |
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| bernd__ | Time to go to bed. | 22:57 |
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| bernd__ | Have a good time. | 22:57 |
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| elnino | check it out - http://www.levenez.com/ | 22:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, I try not to be a language bigot, but often fail. | 23:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't froth at the mouth when people talk about PHP anymore though | 23:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | that has to be some kind of improvement | 23:01 |
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| @frodwith | Ugh, horrible language! | 23:01 |
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| @frodwith | no namespaces, no proper first class functions, ridiculously unorganized standard library | 23:01 |
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| @frodwith | shudder. | 23:02 |
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| @frodwith | I wouldn't want to write it. But I know plenty of otherwise sane people who do, so to each his own. :) | 23:02 |
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| @frodwith | wait, I just also described C, didn't I? | 23:04 |
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| @frodwith | I'll be damned. | 23:04 |
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| @Haarg | my favorite part of php is the functions that start with real_ | 23:06 |
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| @Haarg | i guess there were times they wanted fake versions? | 23:06 |
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| @frodwith | Square root of negative 1 said to pi: 'Why can't you be more rational?' pi replied: 'Oh, get real!' | 23:07 |
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| elnino | oh dear. | 23:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, release today for 7.6? | 23:54 |
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| @Haarg | no | 23:55 |
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| elnino | are you guys saying that 7.6 Stable is coming soon!?!? | 23:58 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 00:00 |
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| elnino | whoo hoo!!! YAY! | 00:00 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9438 /WebGUI/docs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): | 00:42 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix bad template code in 4 gallery templates. They were functional, just not | 00:42 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: using template variables. | 00:42 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9439 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Adding/fixing Survey i18n and Help | 00:42 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9440 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (3 files): Unify all Survey CSS into 1 file, and use it. | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, that quote from the Incredibles keeps going through my head. | 00:55 |
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| @Haarg | quote? | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | "No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes! " | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I had to look it up on IMDB | 00:57 |
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| @Haarg | heh | 00:57 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9443 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a problem with purging an EMS. | 01:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | do 1 and 0 work like the JS booleans true and false? | 01:49 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 01:49 |
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| @Haarg | if i understand your question | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was looking through the datatable code, because I enjoy pain | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and noticed that the API said it wanted booleans for sortable and resizable, but it was given 1's | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | the columns were sortable, so in my JS infancy, I was confused | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | by jove, I think I've got it! | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll check it out after I pick up the kids | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | bbl, everyone | 01:54 |
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| deafferret | dead lifting kids? now you're just showing off | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | it'd be easier if they'd stop growing so much | 03:41 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9445 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: fix small issue in addChild | 03:42 |
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| @preaction_ | would anyone object if bug priorities were visible on the ticket list but not sortable? | 03:45 |
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| @preaction_ | i can figure out sortable later | 03:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | visible would be great! | 03:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | for the bug board, you could lose karma rank, too | 03:54 |
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| @preaction_ | cant do that yet, but soon | 03:56 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored next/last response/section related accessors and mutators | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: (and tests). | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added more documentation. | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9447 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: More ResponseJSON refactoring | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Removed unnecessary $session argument from recordResponses | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored nextQuestions to return a list rather than an arrayref | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Lots more documentation for ResponseJSON | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: More param validation for ResponseJSON | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored recordResponses | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9448 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Renamed ResponseJSON branching methods | 04:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9449 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Updated Survey.pm to use new ResponseJSON.pm methods | 04:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9450 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Started refactoring nextQuestions in ResponseJSON | 04:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Made perlcritic happier | 04:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Extracted getQuestionResponses from processGotoExpression | 04:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Eliminated getPreviousAnswer | 04:11 |
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| @rizen | Haarg, you around? | 04:19 |
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| @Haarg | rizen: i am now | 04:28 |
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| @rizen | i'm confused about the merge you did | 04:28 |
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| @Haarg | oh? | 04:29 |
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| @rizen | it looks like you merged into 7.6.10 | 04:29 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 04:29 |
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| @rizen | but we're working on 7.6.11 | 04:29 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 04:29 |
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| @rizen | ummm | 04:29 |
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| @Haarg | i didn't want to have to keep updating the update script | 04:29 |
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| @Haarg | as more things are fixed for 7.6.11 | 04:30 |
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| @rizen | oh so that you didn't have to do stuff in both scripts? | 04:30 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 04:30 |
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| @rizen | ok fair enough | 04:30 |
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| @rizen | that eliminates my confusion | 04:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen->eliminate('confusion') | 04:30 |
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| @rizen | that just isn't how i did it the last time | 04:31 |
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| @rizen | which is why i was confused | 04:31 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 04:31 |
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| @rizen | $haarg->increment_logic(); | 04:31 |
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| @rizen | if ($haarg->get_logic > $rizen->get_logic) { say "everybody wins"} | 04:32 |
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| @rizen | thanks haarg | 04:32 |
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| @rizen | btw..using the wgd script, and it rocks | 04:33 |
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| @Haarg | glad you like it | 04:33 |
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| @rizen | hate to admit that it beats my old resetdev script, but it does | 04:33 |
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| @Haarg | heh | 04:33 |
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| @Haarg | and only about 300 times as many lines | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: if we transplanted the asset creation logic from Edit into Asset, then guids and URLs would work with any Command | 04:34 |
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| @Haarg | indeed | 04:34 |
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| @Haarg | i already did that :) | 04:34 |
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| @Haarg | not committed yet | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll just continue to come up with great ideas a few hours after you do, to make sure you remember to commit them. | 04:35 |
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| @Haarg | heh | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, and not giving me git access is a good choice. I completely cross merged branches in my git repo | 04:35 |
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| @Haarg | well | 04:35 |
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| @Haarg | you can always fix that kind of thing with git to some extent | 04:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, patspam gave me some help with rebase | 04:36 |
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| @Haarg | i haven't actually used git's merging much | 04:36 |
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| @Haarg | because i'm usually using git svn | 04:36 |
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| @Haarg | so rebase is the best way to go | 04:37 |
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| @Haarg | also, nothing goes to the server until you do a push | 04:38 |
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| @Haarg | so if you mess up a merge or whatever you can just fix it locally | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | Haarg how hard would it be to switch us to git starting with 7.7 | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | here's the catch...we have a couple of branches already going with 7.7 dev stuff | 04:39 |
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| @Haarg | getting the repos up is not a lot of work | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | patspam and yung specifically | 04:39 |
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| @Haarg | getting people used to using it etc is the larger problem i would say | 04:40 |
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| @rizen | that's their problem | 04:40 |
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| @Haarg | ideally yes | 04:40 |
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| @Haarg | but it may become our problem as well | 04:40 |
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| @rizen | how? | 04:41 |
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| @Haarg | i'll take another look at the gui tools and get back to you - they are doing much better at this point | 04:41 |
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| @Haarg | but i'm not sure how well they work because for the most part i don't ever look at them | 04:41 |
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| @rizen | http://code.google.com/p/git-osx-installer/wiki/OpenInGitGui | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | if you think we should wait until the 8.0 branch then we'll wait | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | it's basically you and a few active contributors that are pushing this change anyway | 04:43 |
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| @rizen | i don't mind waiting | 04:43 |
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| @Haarg | i'll let you know by monday what i think | 04:43 |
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| @rizen | fair enough | 04:43 |
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| @rizen | i thinki just created a repo on github for webgui | 04:43 |
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| @rizen | but immediately after i did it, the site went down for maintenance | 04:43 |
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| @rizen | so i don't know for sure | 04:43 |
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| @rizen | =( | 04:43 |
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| @Haarg | seems to be working here | 04:44 |
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| @rizen | oh yeah...it's back up now | 04:44 |
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| @rizen | crap | 04:45 |
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| @rizen | looks like the repo didn't get created | 04:45 |
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| @rizen | i am a bit concerned | 04:46 |
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| @rizen | i created it btw | 04:46 |
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| @rizen | git://github.com/rizen/webgui.git | 04:46 |
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| @Haarg | concerned how? | 04:46 |
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| @rizen | when i create a public repo | 04:46 |
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| @rizen | can just anybody check in to it | 04:46 |
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| @Haarg | no | 04:46 |
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| @Haarg | only people you add as contributors | 04:46 |
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| @rizen | ok so it's public only for checkout/browse? | 04:46 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 04:46 |
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| @rizen | k | 04:46 |
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| @Haarg | anyone can fork it though | 04:46 |
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| @Haarg | and then they have their own repo to work from | 04:47 |
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| @Haarg | i think it would be better to create a plainblack account though instead of having it under your name | 04:47 |
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| @rizen | ok you have privs | 04:47 |
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| @rizen | why? | 04:47 |
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| @Haarg | just seems more natural to me i guess | 04:48 |
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| @Haarg | the various repos we'll want are all owned by plain black, not you specifically | 04:49 |
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| @rizen | yeah, but then we have a "global" plainblack account | 04:49 |
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| @rizen | and we don't know who did what when | 04:49 |
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| @rizen | better to have an owner methinks | 04:49 |
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| @rizen | can i rename myself? | 04:50 |
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| @Haarg | well, you would be the only person with access to the 'owner' account | 04:50 |
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| @rizen | i can rename myself but it doesn't rename the repo | 04:50 |
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| @Haarg | not afaik | 04:50 |
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| @Haarg | <rizen> and we don't know who did what when < do you mean to the overall account? | 04:52 |
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| @rizen | git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git | 04:52 |
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| @rizen | i meant if we allowed "PB Staff" to have access to the plainblack account | 04:53 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 04:53 |
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| @rizen | but i'm ok with it if i'm the only one that has access | 04:53 |
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| @rizen | so i renamed it | 04:53 |
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| patspam | also: http://github.com/pdonelan/webgui and http://github.com/perlDreamer/webgui/ | 04:53 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, the only reason i would want access is to get it set up and everything converted | 04:54 |
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| @Haarg | patspam, http://github.com/haarg/wgdev if you are interested | 04:56 |
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| @Haarg | my pluggable script thing for webgui dev | 04:56 |
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| patspam | Haard: ooh nice, this is the first I've heard of wgd | 04:58 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: i just stumbled across the section/question text [[var]] templating feature in Survey.. very cool | 05:13 |
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| patspam | I'm inclined to switch it over to use TT instead, but the YUI rich text editor would get in the way | 05:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd is awesome | 05:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd edit someTemplateIdOrUrl | 05:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | opens it in vim | 05:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | when you save, it goes right back in | 05:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | when you want to package it up for updated | 05:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd package --upgrade someTemplateUrl | 05:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it puts a package into the right packages dir in docs/upgrades | 05:20 |
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| patspam | man, that's too cool | 05:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | and that's just two commands | 05:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's also the db stuff | 05:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | the reset stuff | 05:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | auto testing | 05:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | auto build for releases | 05:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg is truck-proff | 05:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | proof | 05:21 |
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| patspam | sweet, can't wait to play with it | 05:21 |
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| patspam | is someone doing a talk on it at the WUC? | 05:21 |
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| patspam | if not it should be in the Ultimate Dev Environment panel thing | 05:22 |
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| @Haarg | i'd do a speech about it if i wasn't horrible at writing | 05:24 |
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| patspam | heh, sounds like all you need to do is stand there silently typing in commands onto a projected screen and listening to everyone go "wow" | 05:25 |
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| @Haarg | heh | 05:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: think of it like a Lightning Talk | 05:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | 15 minutes of demonstration, 15 minutes of system architecture 15 minutes rejecting requests from devs for it to do new stuff | 05:28 |
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| @Haarg | heh | 05:28 |
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| @Haarg | well, part of the idea is that it is pluggable | 05:29 |
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| @Haarg | so they can do their own new stuff | 05:29 |
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| @Haarg | perl::critic is harsh | 05:30 |
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| @Haarg | although i guess i can only blame myself for setting it at the maximum strictness | 05:30 |
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| @rizen | it's funny you should say that | 05:31 |
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| @rizen | i blame you for lots of stuff | 05:31 |
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| @rizen | =) | 05:31 |
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| @Haarg | as well you should | 05:32 |
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| @rizen | and i'm glad i started testing the matrix upgrades tonight | 05:32 |
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| @rizen | not sure what to do about this yet: Wide character in print at upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl line 331, <DATA> line 112. | 05:32 |
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| @rizen | but i have a couple of crash bugs also | 05:32 |
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| @rizen | working on those first | 05:32 |
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| @Haarg | i'll look at the wide char thing | 05:32 |
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| @Haarg | wide char thing is simple | 05:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd blame Haarg | 05:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it's your fault | 05:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg did it | 05:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | cat /etc/blame > Haarg | 05:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I never should have put that loop into there | 05:35 |
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| @rizen | thanks Haarg | 05:35 |
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| @Haarg | wide char thing should be fixed and committed | 05:36 |
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| @rizen | Haarg, i also fixed that email problem | 05:36 |
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| @Haarg | cool | 05:36 |
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| @rizen | someone removed localhost from /etc/hosts | 05:36 |
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| @Haarg | oh fun | 05:36 |
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| @Haarg | there is no part of sendmail that doesn't confuse me | 05:37 |
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| @rizen | you get used to it | 05:41 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9451 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: small char encoding fix to merged upgrade | 06:08 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: good idea on using TT. I just wanted to use something that would be trivial for anyone to figure out and that's the best I could come up with. Which isn't really that good. So if you want TT, sounds great to me (not that you need to check something like that with me, rizen would have to approve it). | 06:40 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: hey bud! | 06:41 |
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| @rizen | default templates can't use TT by default...yet | 06:41 |
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| @rizen | not until webgui 8 | 06:42 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: what's the word? | 06:42 |
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| patspam | did I mean HTML::Template? | 06:42 |
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| patspam | whatever the default templates use atm | 06:42 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | heh, probably | 06:42 |
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| patspam | the problem is we can't use it, because the input field is a YUI rich text editor, so angle brackets get swallowed | 06:43 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | no way to escape them or wrap them? | 06:44 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | maybe I should do the RTF editor RTE and learn a little about the YUI editor. | 06:44 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | err, RTF was supposed to mean rich text editor. | 06:45 |
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| @rizen | webgui will be switching to the YUI rich edit in either 7.7 or 8.0 so making the survey switch to that is a good idea | 06:45 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | groovy, I'll see if I can get that done tomorrow. | 06:46 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9451 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: small char encoding fix to merged upgrade | 06:46 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9452 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 06:46 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fix: Fixed templates from latest versions on plainblack.com | 06:46 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: add: Added "Show In List" for metadata | 06:46 |
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| patspam | it already uses the YUI editor | 06:48 |
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| patspam | lol, i'm confused now ;) | 06:49 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | oh | 06:51 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: in head or your rfe branch? | 06:51 |
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| patspam | ahh maybe just in rfe | 06:52 |
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| patspam | I'm living in the survey-rfe branch atm | 06:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I just did a very bad thing | 06:53 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: is it in "needs validation" status or wrapped up? | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I imported a package inside of a version tag | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | then I imported it again | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it created a non-existant version tag | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I'm left with assets that I can't edit | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're permanently locked | 06:54 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | ./wgd reset -b | 06:54 |
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| @Haarg | odd | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm going to try and duplicate in a dev site | 06:54 |
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| patspam | pm2: come again? | 06:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: was setting the status in the google doc. | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: if you want to tinker, it on perldreamerconsulting.com | 06:56 |
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| @Haarg | so you imported a package twice? | 06:56 |
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| @Haarg | and that's it? | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think that's what I did, yes | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I have version control set to no-auto | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | there are no pending version tags, no uncommitted version tags, but it shows as locked | 06:57 |
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| @Haarg | 2009/02/05 22:38:14 - WARN - www.perldreamerconsulting.com.conf - WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::unconditionalRead[314] - Unconditional read failed: SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS assetId, isLockedBy from asset where isLockedBy NOT NULL LIMIT 0,100 : You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'NULL LIMIT 0,100' at line 1 | 06:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I was trying to look into the DB | 06:58 |
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| @Haarg | ah, so that was a sql report? | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:59 |
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| @Haarg | no other errors in the logs | 06:59 |
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| @Haarg | i think i have everything but the reset command perl::critic clean now | 07:01 |
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| @Haarg | that one has pages of issues though of course... | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup, that's it | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | import package, edit 1 asset in it, import package again, commit | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | any asset not edited inbetween imports is locked | 07:06 |
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| @Haarg | you going to file a bug? | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | First I'm going to cry a bit, then I'll file a bug | 07:07 |
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| @Haarg | heh | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | then I'll try to figure out what in the world happened | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need a good perl based bug to work on anyway. All this JS is giving me a backache. | 07:14 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9453 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: fixed a bug when a matrix listing didn't have a forum attached | 07:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9454 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fixed documentation | 07:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9455 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 07:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: More ResponseJSON refactoring. | 07:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Finished refactoring nextQuestions() | 07:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added recordedResponses sub | 07:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added getTemplatedText sub | 07:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added sectionId, questionId, answerId, sIndex, qIndex, aIndexes | 07:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: abstraction subs | 07:26 |
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| Mtendaji | hi I've just tried to install the current stable on a minimal CentOS install and am just about to give up and try a different CMS ... modperl will not start at all .. can anyone give me a pointer or two to figure out what is up? | 11:33 |
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| +BartJol | did you use the wre? | 11:34 |
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| Mtendaji | I've trawled the WebGUI wiki but it is just a nightmare after my 7th page of search and fail its just getting nuts. | 11:34 |
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| Mtendaji | yes I did | 11:34 |
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| +BartJol | did you run the script setenvironment.sh? | 11:35 |
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| Mtendaji | the test environement thing says its good ... | 11:35 |
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| Mtendaji | yes I did n+1 times | 11:35 |
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| Mtendaji | I can not find a log however ... | 11:36 |
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| Mtendaji | file does not exist? | 11:36 |
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| Mtendaji | I've vaguely aware of how apache flies in a vanilla linux setup but this is .. well not anytyhing I can figure out. | 11:37 |
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| Mtendaji | I suppose a good start would be where does mod perl live under the /data point of the filetree | 11:37 |
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| +BartJol | sorry I was a bit busy | 11:39 |
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| Mtendaji | thats fine no probs. | 11:39 |
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| +BartJol | the logs should be in /data/wre/var/logs | 11:39 |
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| Mtendaji | kk brb ... will have a look. | 11:39 |
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| Mtendaji | kk its swimming in references to Graphics::Magick or Image::Magick | 11:42 |
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| Mtendaji | Does that ship with WebGUI or do I chase it down manually ? | 11:42 |
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| +BartJol | Image::Magick should be shipped with the wre | 11:42 |
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| +BartJol | Graphics::Magick isn't used anymore | 11:43 |
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| Mtendaji | ok how do I impliment or re-instate Image::Magcik ? | 11:43 |
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| +BartJol | what are the errors? | 11:44 |
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| +BartJol | it should work... should | 11:44 |
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| Mtendaji | and i quote "Error loading WebGUI::Image! - You must have either Graphics::Magick or Image::Magick installed to run WebGUI." | 11:44 |
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| +BartJol | and testEnvironment.pl shows an installed Image::Magick? | 11:45 |
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| Mtendaji | --OR-- BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Image.pm line 18. | 11:45 |
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| Mtendaji | brb .. I'll look | 11:45 |
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| Mtendaji | ahh both that and the obsolete item are defined as " Not Installed, but it's optional anyway" | 11:47 |
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| +BartJol | well, it's necessary | 11:47 |
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| Mtendaji | why would the installer not do this ... | 11:47 |
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| * Mtendaji mutters curses | 11:48 |
| +BartJol | dunno actually | 11:48 |
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| +BartJol | as long as the curses aren't directed at me, it's fine :) | 11:48 |
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| Mtendaji | no its good... not you. | 11:48 |
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| Mtendaji | provided you did'nt make the install script ... :) | 11:49 |
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| +BartJol | i didn't | 11:49 |
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| +BartJol | so you should run it as root, then it should prompt you for installation | 11:50 |
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| Mtendaji | ok this begs a fairly obvious question.. is this a perl thing I must install or a ... | 11:50 |
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| +BartJol | testEnvironment that is | 11:50 |
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| Mtendaji | i'm in the box now as root and all has been done as he from the get go | 11:50 |
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| +BartJol | mmm | 11:51 |
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| Mtendaji | i just love KVM's ... | 11:51 |
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| +BartJol | I think it's a cpan install | 11:51 |
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| Mtendaji | kk i can webmin it in then ... | 11:51 |
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| * Mtendaji hands BartJol a beer | 11:52 |
| Mtendaji | back in five.. | 11:52 |
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| +BartJol | beer! you know me? | 11:52 |
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| Mtendaji | not really ... | 11:52 |
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| Mtendaji | :> | 11:52 |
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| +BartJol | in the WebGUI community we (dutch people) are famous for drinking beer | 11:54 |
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| Mtendaji | lol.. we Scots drink whisky ... mostly but in .au it's kinda hot at the moment ... so beer is it | 12:02 |
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| Mtendaji | 5 has been officially extended things are slowwwwing at this end. | 12:02 |
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| +BartJol | 5? | 12:04 |
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| Mtendaji | more like 20 .. run if you have to .. thankyou for your help if you do. | 12:07 |
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| +BartJol | aah, I'm stuck here for another6-7 hours, it's work (lunch excluded) | 12:10 |
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| Mtendaji | 9pm Friday nigth and ditched by GF till sunday ... | 12:12 |
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| Mtendaji | hmm.. outstanding .. | 12:13 |
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| Mtendaji | thank you lots and lots... it has worked. | 12:14 |
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| +BartJol | great | 12:14 |
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| Mtendaji | I do not know why the installer failed to do the module but it seems that via webmin it has worked. | 12:14 |
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| * Mtendaji hands BartJol another beer ... and grins. | 12:14 |
| +BartJol | it is indeed strange | 12:15 |
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| +BartJol | well, it works now | 12:15 |
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| +BartJol | thanks | 12:15 |
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| Mtendaji | If I do find out I'll put a post at WebGUI | 12:15 |
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| Mtendaji | now.. (You Guessed it ..) i'm gonnna go play in it .. :) | 12:16 |
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| +BartJol | off course! that is the fun part | 12:16 |
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| * Mtendaji waves | 12:16 |
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| elnino | Haarg, can you explain some things in plain english for me? | 17:02 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:04 |
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| elnino | Hi SDuensin | 17:07 |
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| elnino | My customer is experiencing sluggishness. Now, granted this is a server optimization 101 question, because I'm used to working with a server with a boatload of memory, and bandwidth wasn't an issue either. So I can probably guarenteer you that this server is probably not tuned appropriately to it's resources. | 17:14 |
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| elnino | but first I want to make sure I'm explaining this corectly to myself and her.... | 17:15 |
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| elnino | I understand bandwidth, and I believe wehave issues with that. and that would definately show up as "sluggishness" (HUGE sound files, and IMAGEs gallore) | 17:15 |
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| elnino | easy to fix those. | 17:16 |
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| elnino | But it's memory. | 17:16 |
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| elnino | I know we in the 'gray area" and could definately use some more. | 17:16 |
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| elnino | but that eally isn't an option right now. | 17:16 |
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| elnino | but I want to explain what memory is used for so SHE understands it. | 17:16 |
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| elnino | Anyone with me? | 17:16 |
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| elnino | =) | 17:16 |
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| SDuensin | I'm with you. Not sure I have an answer though. | 17:17 |
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| elnino | that's ok. I'm glad somebody is following. =) | 17:17 |
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| elnino | memory determines how much a server can handel... Is that a good way of explaining it? | 17:18 |
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| elnino | and if you have a high number of visitors, each of those visitors need their own "memory space" on the server? | 17:18 |
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| SDuensin | I always tell people it's the computer's "thinking space". Like how much you can keep in your brain at one time without needing to write it down. | 17:18 |
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| elnino | so if the server is limited, the server is going to try to diviy up that space as much as it can, but the "thinking space" is just going to get smaller for each visitor on the website. | 17:19 |
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| elnino | would that be a fair explaination? | 17:19 |
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| SDuensin | Yep. And when you need to start writing things down, it takes a whole lot longer than just stuffing them into your head. More memory == faster. (Unless you're not memory starved, of course.) | 17:20 |
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| elnino | and writeing takes up memory too, which means less pie for your customers. | 17:21 |
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| elnino | ok. just wanted to make sure that would make sense. She is NOT technical. | 17:21 |
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| elnino | And I'm used to having all the pie I want. =) | 17:21 |
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| SDuensin | The best non-technical answer possible: "Shut up. It's fine." | 17:21 |
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| elnino | no, not when she can't modify content on the website, it's pretty bad... | 17:21 |
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| SDuensin | That is bad. I gave WebGUI to an entire office of non-computer-user types. They built their entire site themselves! (Except the template, of course.) | 17:22 |
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| elnino | I just did a speed test on the home page. 7 seconds for downloading just the images.. | 17:23 |
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| elnino | so we have serious problems. | 17:23 |
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| elnino | And like I said earilier, I'm probably part o fthe problem, because it's probably not tuned to where it should be given the resources it has, but That's where I'm lost. | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm having a problem with Class::InsideOut in that it doesn'tcreate my accessors form me | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm thinking it has something to do with how I'm trying to set thing up. | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I have a base class WebGUI::Chart which uses C::IO | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and defines a number of readonly properties like session | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Then there's WebGUI::Chart::ChartMagick | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that also uses C::IO | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | b/c it defines some other readonly properties | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | however | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | all the accessors (ie. $self->session) that C::IO normally creates for me | 17:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | all return undef | 17:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anybody has an idea? | 17:33 |
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| elnino | not me. | 17:34 |
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| elnino | it's pretty quiet here this morning. | 17:34 |
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| @Haarg | you are calling register in the subclass as well? | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Can I actually do a 'use Class::InsideOut' in a class that ISA another class doing 'use C::IO' too? | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | tried that too | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm now trying to use the _buildObject pardigm | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and overload that | 17:35 |
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| @Haarg | are you using Apache2::Reload? | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm not using that anymore b/c it gave C::IO problems | 17:36 |
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| @Haarg | that's all that comes to mind right away | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | me too | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it sucks | 17:36 |
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| @Haarg | can you pastebin your subclass's code? | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | even better | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll put it in my experimetal branch | 17:37 |
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| elnino | I'm using http://analyze.websiteoptimization.com/wso and it says, I could save ### bytes if I compressed my images. how do I compress images,I'm being congratulated that my html is compressed... I'm using wre, so I figured it's probably doing all that...? | 17:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | haarg | 17:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/experimental/ChartMagick/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Chart/ChartMagick.pm | 17:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and its superclass | 17:41 |
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| @Haarg | in the subclass you aren't calling register on $self after you get it from SUPER::new | 17:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i know | 17:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i tried that too | 17:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | even stranger | 17:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the session accessor of the super class didn't work | 17:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i can imagine that the proeprties in the subclass aren't being p[rocess correctly | 17:44 |
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| @Haarg | session is defined as private | 17:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | true | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but it used to be readonly | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and then it didn't work | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I made a session sub doing what it's supposed to | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so i changed to private for the tim ebeing | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | even if I put session on readonly again and remove all the C::IO stuff from WG::Chart::ChartMagick | 17:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the session accessor isn't being generated | 17:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's weird | 17:50 |
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| @Haarg | i'm not really sure - nothing stands out | 17:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah i know | 17:52 |
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| @Haarg | i'd have to actually run the code | 17:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i've used C::IO on numerous occasions | 17:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and never had problems like this | 17:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | thanks for thinking along though | 17:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r9458 /experimental/ChartMagick/ (27 files in 13 dirs): Fixes plus wg integration. Not yet functional! | 17:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | From a utility script it seems to work | 18:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but from apache not so much | 18:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ... | 18:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, that sounds like the caching problem that we found, where forked processes didn't play well with one another. | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | But C::IO has proven pretty impervious to that in the past | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the Shop seems to work well... | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm totally out of ideas | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | when I do it from a util script it works fine | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but when I run it from the poll it doesn't at all | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | while using the exact same contruction and config hash | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's extra frustrating b/c i wanted to finish the wg part before I go skiing | 18:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ie. today | 18:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but that's not gonna happen anymore | 18:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | due to this stupid problem | 18:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm totally convinced it is this really stupid little typo or what ever | 18:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | if that is so, then the problem is in the utility script vs the Poll, and not the Chart | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | since it works in one, and not the other | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | one runs in apache an the other doesn't | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | right | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Oh | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i know something | 18:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | see? | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'll try it from a macro | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have it on the best of authority that you know quite a bit | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | right now i know i'm frustrated | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | getting aggravated even | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's that joeri's feeding me beers | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Especially in the areas of programming, semiconductor physics and fabrication, and personal grooming. | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or else... =) | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | did you see the nasty bug that I found last night? | 18:25 |
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| elnino | good morning all - when it takses FOEVER to wreservice --stop spectre, that's bad right? anything I should look at? | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no dice on the macro | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I literally copy/pasted the working code from the util script into a macro | 18:28 |
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| +BartJol | forever is a long time, relatively | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: what nasty bug | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I've been buried in work | 18:28 |
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| elnino | probably going on a minute now.. | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and I unfortunately haven't been able to keep up with webgui the way i used too | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | elnino: that's too long | 18:29 |
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| elnino | I know! | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno what the problem is though | 18:29 |
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| elnino | kill it or wait? | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | try killing it | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | james bond kill spectre al the time | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and if james bond does it, it must be good =) | 18:30 |
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| elnino | that's right. | 18:31 |
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| elnino | Does wremonitor keep trying to restart it? | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | think so | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is your spectre showing this behaviour occasionally | 18:32 |
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| elnino | so is there a way to stop wremonitor? I haven't seen any options for wreservice to stop wremonitor. | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9686 | 18:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | haarg or perldreamer: when's teh 7.7 codefreeze | 18:32 |
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| +BartJol | it's a cron right? | 18:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wremonitor should be run by cron yes | 18:33 |
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| +BartJol | so comment it in your cronfile | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | 7.7 hasn't branched yet, so it will be months from now | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | isn't it on the schedule page? | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | prolly | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | didn't know there was one =) | 18:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nice bug =) | 18:34 |
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| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9686 - no, I don't do packaging. sorry. | 18:34 |
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| elnino | but my machines slows down to a crawl probably once a month. | 18:35 |
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| elnino | or two. | 18:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey perldreamer, as a testing guru, do you have any suggestions for writing test for image magick base modules? | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | As a matter of fact, I do :) | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wrote an image test | 18:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | elnino, because of spectre? | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | now, where was it... | 18:35 |
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| elnino | Well, as a matter of fact, yes. I did some screen shots of before and after ps aux | 18:36 |
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| elnino | and spectre was at 58.6 for memory. | 18:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ouch | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | t/Macro/Thumbnail.t | 18:36 |
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| elnino | after I killled it and restarted everything, it's at | 18:36 |
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| elnino | 3.4 | 18:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it seems something's leaking | 18:37 |
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| elnino | I'd say. | 18:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or that you have very little memory | 18:37 |
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| elnino | yes. | 18:37 |
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| elnino | that too. | 18:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe some workflow instances are roorring or waiting and cause the leak | 18:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | have you tried running spectre with --run --debug? | 18:37 |
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| elnino | no, should I do that before or after killing it? | 18:39 |
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| +BartJol | it can be that the spectre settings aren't optimised, Koen did that once, and I've been searching for hours | 18:39 |
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| +BartJol | after | 18:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: nice one | 18:39 |
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| +BartJol | while no daemon is running | 18:39 |
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| +BartJol | spectre daemon | 18:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you are the true testing guru | 18:40 |
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| +BartJol | and of course run it from WebGUI/sbin, not wre/sbin/wreservice.pl | 18:41 |
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| elnino | thank you I ckeep forgetting where that is... | 18:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer: http://images.straus.nl/skigebieden/frankrijk/legrandmassif.groot.jpg | 18:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's where I go tomorrow! | 18:44 |
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| elnino | is there a way to tput the output of --debug into a file, so I don't have to stare at the screen? I'm seeing nothing allarming, and if I think I do, it zooms past.. | 18:46 |
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| elnino | can I > to a file? | 18:46 |
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| * elnino tries | 18:46 |
| elnino | oh good! | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, looks like tons of fun. | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | I haven't been skiing in 10 years | 18:47 |
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| * elnino gets smart and puts it in background... | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, command | tee file is good, too | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | then you get redirection and realtime watching at the same time | 18:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm a big proponent of the idea to move the wuc to Februari or march and to Vail or Aspen | 18:48 |
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| elnino | ooohh. nice | 18:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and only have one session a day | 18:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | for three weeks | 18:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anyway. I'll have to go to the bar with Bart | 18:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | se you guy in a week or so | 18:51 |
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| +BartJol | elnino: it seems I have to drink beer, good luck with the debug output | 18:53 |
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| elnino | Thanks.. I had an error in one config file, but that's fixed. | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, found the double import bug. | 19:22 |
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| @Haarg | oh? | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | When it updates an existing asset, with an open version tag, it sets the status to the status from the package, which is approved. | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the asset had isLockedBy set from the original import | 19:23 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | when the version tag is committed, it only looks for assets that need to be committed. | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | since there aren't any, it doesn't reset isLockedBy and whammo | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | permanently locked assets | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, while digging around, I noticed that the version tags created on site creation aren't locked. I don't know if that's a problem or not. | 19:24 |
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| @Haarg | i'll check on that | 19:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I have a fix, but I'm having a hard time getting my head around the downstream consequences. | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | This is how I did it. | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | If the exact same revision of the asset exists, then it does not import the new asset status from the package. | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | AssetPackage, line 150 | 20:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | the problem is the stuff down below that, where it checks the status of the incoming package and assigns a version tag to pending assets. That will no longer be needed. | 20:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | It changes how the import works now, where you can import stuff that hasn't been committed and it will create a version tag so it can be committed. | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've thought it through, and don't see any problems with the change. | 20:18 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9459 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm): Remove trailing comma in Shop/Transaction JS so IE6 works. | 20:59 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9460 /translations/German/German/ (9 files): Account_<something>.pm modules completed to 100%. Hover help and template documentation still requires some polishing. | 20:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 21:00 |
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| bernd__ | Someone particular responsible for the translation server? | 21:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | Anyone from Plain Black, but Haarg in particular. | 21:03 |
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| bernd__ | Haarg, it seems that I caused a conflict. | 21:04 |
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| bernd__ | Account_Friends.pm is the evil one. | 21:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | how about committing the inverse of the patch back to the repo? | 21:04 |
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| bernd__ | Do you have a commandline for doing that? | 21:04 |
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| bernd__ | You mean committing the previous version? | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | first, you would do | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | svn merge -c -9460 | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | then svn commit | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | In merge, when the revision number is negative, it does the opposite of the original | 21:07 |
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| bernd__ | Ok, let me check. | 21:07 |
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| bernd__ | Need to change the train first! | 21:09 |
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| bernd__ | Later. | 21:09 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9461 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Prevent an imported package from changing the a current asset's status from pending to anything else. | 21:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9462 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: | 21:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Congratulation on your PBWG, danny_mk! | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction_ or somebody needs to give you voice status | 21:32 |
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| danny_mk | Hey thanks! | 21:32 |
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| danny_mk | I have been working on that YUI date picket macro | 21:33 |
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| danny_mk | it is working quite well, however the validation is giving me a bit of a headache | 21:33 |
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| * perlDreamer has a profound fear and lack of knowledge of javascript | 21:34 |
| * danny_mk appreciates perlDreamer's fears :-) | 21:35 |
| danny_mk | I am trying to get some time to write tests before the next WUC for the Auth::OpenId module but my boss is really on my ass | 21:36 |
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| @preaction_ | danny_mk: you'll need to register your nickname on freenode in order for me to voice you. /msg nickserv help register <- for more information | 21:36 |
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| danny_mk | OK | 21:37 |
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| * danny_mk registed his nickname on freenode | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd__, did you catch the train? | 21:41 |
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| bernd__ | Yes. But I was not able to solve the problem. | 21:41 |
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| bernd__ | Probably used the wrong revision. | 21:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is there wifi on the train? | 21:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | or do you use a GSM modem? | 21:42 |
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| bernd__ | No, it's UMTS or GPRS depending on the net available. | 21:42 |
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| bernd__ | I think, I will have to wait for Haarg to fix it. | 21:43 |
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| bernd__ | Going to submit a bug report. | 21:43 |
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| bernd__ | And and RFE to make the translation server bullet proof. | 21:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's going to be one tough RFE | 21:47 |
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| bernd__ | Then Bernd proof only. | 21:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bernd's power far exceeds that of any paltry code that we could put in the server. | 21:51 |
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| bernd__ | Too much honor. | 21:52 |
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| * danny_mk has to find a job where he codes in Perl 100% of the time | 22:00 |
| bernd__ | Wouldn't that get boring after while? | 22:01 |
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| deafferret | never :) | 22:01 |
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| +danny_mk | not really, I am exhausted of jumping between all these languages | 22:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | even in WebGUI, you have to do HTML, CSS, SQL and JS | 22:01 |
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| +danny_mk | I am quickly learning to hate c++ with a passion | 22:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to think there are no any pure perl jobs | 22:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's like pure math | 22:01 |
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| deafferret | oh. ya. good luck getting away from html/css/sql/xml/js | 22:01 |
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| bernd__ | What's wrong with C++? | 22:02 |
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| * deafferret chokes | 22:02 |
| +danny_mk | the guy that wrote this application was a "structured" cut and paste programmer | 22:02 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9463 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 22:02 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: i18n the image labels and title for the asset manager, manage screen. | 22:02 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Also, display the username instead of the userId. | 22:02 |
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| +danny_mk | he died from cancer a few weeks ago and my boss now expects me to maintain all this shit! | 22:03 |
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| bernd__ | Good Luck. | 22:03 |
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| bernd__ | I hope that C++ wasn't causing the cancer. | 22:03 |
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| +danny_mk | I rewrote one of his "utilities" in Perl, Perl (1.5 pages) c++ (12 pages) | 22:04 |
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| +danny_mk | 12 second difference | 22:04 |
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| bernd__ | Which one faster? | 22:04 |
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| +danny_mk | c++ of course | 22:04 |
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| +danny_mk | but when my boss saw the difference he was very impressed and he finally gave Perl some credit | 22:05 |
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| bernd__ | Have fun rewriting everything. | 22:05 |
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| +danny_mk | hey guess what, do you know how they troubleshoot problems here? They run the entire application through ddd every time to find problems | 22:06 |
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| bernd__ | ddd? | 22:06 |
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| +danny_mk | c++, c debugger | 22:06 |
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| bernd__ | Stupid question: is it possible to debug perl? | 22:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 22:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | perl -d | 22:07 |
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| deafferret | Log::Log4perl is also your friend | 22:07 |
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| bernd__ | But does not work with mod_perl, I assume? | 22:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, you can make it work with mod_perl, too | 22:07 |
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| bernd__ | So, how can I debug an asset or a macro? | 22:08 |
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| deafferret | or use Catalyst, which comes with it's own dev server that's easy to perl -d | 22:08 |
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| +danny_mk | Catalyst rocks! | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd__: I think your back button bug really is an RFE. | 22:10 |
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| bernd__ | Ok. | 22:10 |
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| bernd__ | Do you have permissions to move it? | 22:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, but I'll speak of those so gifted. | 22:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | with those | 22:11 |
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| bernd__ | Thanks. | 22:11 |
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| bernd__ | perlDreamer, we have a strange pagination bug on our site. | 22:12 |
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| bernd__ | It's an article asset. | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | which version? | 22:12 |
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| bernd__ | 7.5.40 | 22:12 |
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| bernd__ | Is it known? | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | there were some pagination bugs fixed a little while ago, in 7.6 | 22:13 |
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| bernd__ | The page URLs all look like http://www.klettern-md.de/home/geschichten/frankreich-2008/michas-reisetagebuch?pn-_Mg=2 | 22:13 |
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| bernd__ | I assume it should be ?pn=2 | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, maybe | 22:13 |
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| bernd__ | What would be correct then. | 22:13 |
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| bernd__ | ? | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | if there are multiple paginated articles on a page, then sometimes they leak to one another. | 22:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | so an attempt was made to make them unique for each article | 22:14 |
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| bernd__ | Ah, there is a CS on the same page layout having multiple pages. | 22:15 |
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| bernd__ | Anything I can do? | 22:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | what is the bug that you're seeing? | 22:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | just the funny URL, or is it behaving badly? | 22:15 |
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| bernd__ | I cannot select other pages than the first. | 22:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | any error messages in the log? | 22:19 |
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| bernd__ | Not sure. But I cannot check at the moment. My connection is too slow for accessing the server. | 22:20 |
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| bernd__ | I am going to check when I am home and submit a bug report. | 22:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | excellent, except for 1 thing | 22:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | no more bug fixes for 7.5.40 | 22:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | only for 7.6 | 22:21 |
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| bernd__ | I know :-( | 22:21 |
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| bernd__ | I will never understand that policy. | 22:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's maintenance overhead | 22:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can only support FOSS software for so long | 22:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | otherwise, JT would be stuck patching 5.5 | 22:22 |
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| bernd__ | Yes, but it prevents releases from becoming rock solid. | 22:22 |
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| bernd__ | Currently, every update causes new problems. | 22:22 |
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| bernd__ | The pagination used to work in the past. | 22:22 |
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| bernd__ | That problem must have been introduced only recently. | 22:22 |
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| bernd__ | That is the whole problem. | 22:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, it appears that the fix for a bug introduced another bug | 22:23 |
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| bernd__ | I keep updating the system and it never gets better. | 22:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | is this 7.5.40 from a download, or from SVN? | 22:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll be back in a bit, going to grab some lunch | 22:24 |
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| bernd__ | Updated via wre utility scripts. | 22:24 |
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| bernd__ | That is interesting: when I change to admin mode pagination is working again. | 22:24 |
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| bernd__ | Guten Appetit! | 22:24 |
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| bernd__ | danny_mk, I agree that webgui should have a native chat asset. | 22:25 |
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| +danny_mk | If it does not get done before I get to it I will build it, I just have to work on so much other stuff | 22:26 |
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| bernd__ | Are you aware of the ShortChat asset in the bazaar? | 22:26 |
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| +danny_mk | there is a simple one out here | 22:26 |
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| bernd__ | Probably that one. | 22:26 |
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| bernd__ | Does it still work with 7.6? | 22:27 |
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| +danny_mk | not sure, i think there was a presentation done last year for it | 22:28 |
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| @preaction_ | i did one in 07 that included a very simple chat asset | 22:29 |
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| @preaction_ | haven't got around to updating it to use the installClass.pl script | 22:29 |
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| +danny_mk | We need one that has user ban list, stealth mode, etc... | 22:29 |
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| bernd__ | Why not a full IRC client? | 22:30 |
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| bernd__ | I am using CGI:IRC as a workaround at the moment. | 22:30 |
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| bernd__ | It is all perl. | 22:30 |
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| bernd__ | But the code is terrible :-( | 22:30 |
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| +danny_mk | I bet :-) | 22:31 |
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| bernd__ | Why do all perl coders seem to avoid documentation in the code? | 22:31 |
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| bernd__ | Even webgui devs do... | 22:31 |
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| +danny_mk | Well, some of it should be intuitive | 22:31 |
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| +danny_mk | however, there are some hacks out there that scare me | 22:31 |
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| bernd__ | It is always only intuitive to the one who wrote it. | 22:32 |
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| bernd__ | And only for the first three weeks :-) | 22:32 |
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| +danny_mk | WebGUI is pretty good | 22:32 |
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| +danny_mk | Well, some of it anyway :-) | 22:33 |
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| +danny_mk | LOL | 22:33 |
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| * danny_mk better shutup before he gets banned | 22:33 |
| bernd__ | LOL? | 22:34 |
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| elnino | laugh out loud | 22:34 |
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| bernd__ | Ah. | 22:34 |
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| +danny_mk | hey, I would trade Perl code for C++ code right now | 22:35 |
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| +danny_mk | I could of had this done months ago | 22:35 |
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| * danny_mk still talking about his current c++ development at his current job | 22:36 |
| bernd__ | Ok, I am getting close to my destination. | 22:40 |
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| bernd__ | Have fun guys! | 22:40 |
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| bernd__ | And gals, of course. | 22:40 |
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| +danny_mk | you too | 22:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | one of my favorite rizen quotes is: | 22:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI is a big pile of steaming crap | 22:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | But it's best pile of crap out there | 22:42 |
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| bernd__ | Hm, wasn't that the iPhoneGuy according to the advertisement? | 22:43 |
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| bernd__ | I mean, the banner shown on top of webgui.org. | 22:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | could be | 22:43 |
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| bernd__ | I think it was cut out of a chat conversation. | 22:45 |
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| bernd__ | Really need to go now. Bye! | 22:45 |
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| @preaction_ | yeah, that was maxscience/iPhoneGuy | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen thought he had a third alias, too | 22:47 |
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| @preaction_ | yeah, i think it's something like rubyDreamer or something | 22:48 |
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| @preaction_ | pythonDreamer maybe? | 22:48 |
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| @preaction_ | no, it's c#Dreamer | 22:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | adaDreamer | 22:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | fortranDreamer | 22:49 |
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| +danny_mk | maybe groovyDreamer | 22:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction_: on the bug board, we also need a promote to bug and demote to RFE feature, so I don't have to pester you guys all the time | 22:50 |
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| @preaction_ | IF I HAD MY WAY... HelpDesk would have bugs and rfes in the same thing | 22:51 |
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| @preaction_ | the default view would show only bugs assigned to WebGUI stable and beta projects | 22:52 |
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| @preaction_ | and etc... | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | isn't that like getting peanut butter in your chocolate, and chocolate in your peanut butter | 22:52 |
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| @preaction_ | i don't think that's a bad thing! | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction_: how about if you take me under your wing and help me fix the datatable bug? | 23:02 |
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| @preaction_ | there is no datatable bug, it's a datatable feature | 23:03 |
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| @preaction_ | what's the feature? | 23:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | the one where you can enter dates but they show up as NaN/NaN/NaN in the table | 23:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I guess those are covert dates | 23:04 |
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| @preaction_ | can't have everyone knowing our SEKIRT PLAN | 23:04 |
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| @preaction_ | perlDreamer: the datatable is stored as JSON in the database, what do date columns look like? | 23:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | you want an in-channel paste, or a pastebin? | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's _just_ 1 line | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's 160 characters long ;) | 23:06 |
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| @preaction_ | pastebin... it's one BIG line... | 23:07 |
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| @preaction_ | you jerk | 23:07 |
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| @preaction_ | that's what i call you because that's what you are! | 23:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2adcd4cd | 23:07 |
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| @preaction_ | uh... there's no values | 23:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | you asked for a column | 23:08 |
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| @preaction_ | that's the entire json in that datatable? | 23:08 |
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| @preaction_ | oh, sorry | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, just the 1 column | 23:09 |
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| @preaction_ | MY BAD, GOD | 23:09 |
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| @preaction_ | uh, i mean, what do the values look like? | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6cd39e24 | 23:09 |
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| @preaction_ | the combine is sending gunships after me, so i'm a little on-edge | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | no need to tell God, he already knows | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | dateTtimeZ | 23:10 |
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| @preaction_ | thats kinda weird really | 23:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | when you choose the date from the date selector, it looks fine | 23:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | but after you hit save, the view display is NaN, and when you re-edit, it's NaN | 23:11 |
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| @preaction_ | my next idea would be to step through the YUI DataTable initialization process (specifically the date formatter, YAHOO.format.Date i believe | 23:12 |
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| @preaction_ | it seems the Date picker is setting a value the Date formatter doesn't understand | 23:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, but when it's first added, it's fine | 23:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I'm guessing it's the parse | 23:12 |
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| juan1 | i have some sites in 7.4.40 and in them i have some problems with accents or data codification | 23:24 |
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| juan1 | i upgrade to 7.5 can i fix this problems | 23:25 |
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| juan1 | apache2 has some settings related to codification | 23:26 |
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| juan1 | ? | 23:26 |
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| deafferret | /win 4 | 23:31 |
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| deafferret | oops. sorry | 23:31 |
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| elnino | not quite sure what the question is juan1 | 23:32 |
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| @Haarg | it sounds like you are talking about character encoding problems juan1 | 23:35 |
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| @Haarg | they should be all resolved in WebGUI 7.5 | 23:36 |
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| juan1 | yes | 23:44 |
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| juan1 | character encoding problems | 23:44 |
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| juan1 | i had the sites 7.4.40 with problems | 23:45 |
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| juan1 | now i upgraded to 7.5 and the problems continues | 23:45 |
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| juan1 | i have mysql in utf8 | 23:49 |
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| @preaction_ | juan1: make sure you're using the latest 7.5 | 23:49 |
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| juan1 | i am in 75.20 | 23:50 |
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| juan1 | now | 23:50 |
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| @preaction_ | that is pretty old | 23:52 |
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| juan1 | i am going to upgrade to 7.5.40 | 23:53 |
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| --- Day changed Sat Feb 07 2009 |
| juan1 | now the site is 7.5.40 and the problems continues | 00:02 |
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| @Haarg | what kind of problems are they? | 00:02 |
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| juan1 | character encoding problems | 00:02 |
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| @Haarg | yes... need a bit more to go on | 00:03 |
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| @Haarg | where are you seeing the problems? | 00:03 |
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| @Haarg | what kind of assets? | 00:03 |
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| juan1 | CS | 00:03 |
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| juan1 | polls | 00:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | juan1, can you share a URL with us? | 00:04 |
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| juan1 | what else have i to do? | 00:04 |
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| juan1 | the thing is that i have a backup of one site that i have in production | 00:05 |
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| juan1 | i am going to send you the link of the site in 7.4.40 | 00:06 |
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| juan1 | but the problems are the same | 00:06 |
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| juan1 | in the same assets | 00:06 |
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| juan1 | http://www.paratufamilia.com/home/adolescencia--y-jvenes | 00:06 |
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| elnino | juan1, Somehere in the upgrade, there was a bug fix for encoded characters. I was affected by this too. | 00:08 |
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| elnino | I don't remember which version it was. But the squares was a result. | 00:08 |
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| juan1 | no, all the upgrade was sucessfull | 00:08 |
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| elnino | yes, but during the upgrade, one of the bug fixes applied to one of the versions addressed an issue with data in the database. | 00:09 |
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| elnino | and the data in the database was changed either to a different datatype or encoding, which resulted in changing your data - hence the boxes with ? marks in them | 00:09 |
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| elnino | I'm doing a terrible job explaining this, but I think it was perlDreamer or preation_ that explained it to me last. | 00:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | probably preaction_ or Haarg. | 00:10 |
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| elnino | It is proably mentioned in the gotchas. | 00:10 |
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| elnino | but basically, webgui tried their best in retaining the encoding, but there were characters they didn't know what to do with. | 00:11 |
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| elnino | the result is what you see. I had to go modify all my data. | 00:11 |
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| elnino | most of the time, it was just a matter of resaving the data, | 00:11 |
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| elnino | other times, I had to modify the data in the asset. | 00:11 |
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| juan1 | what? | 00:12 |
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| elnino | like I said, I'm doing a terrible job explaining it. | 00:12 |
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| juan1 | i understand you but edit every data with problems when you have many assets specially CS is a large task | 00:14 |
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| @Haarg | in 7.4 and prior, the data was being stored incorrectly in the database. sometimes it would work, but other times it caused problems. we tried to fix this in 7.5, but the conversion wasn't perfect. it wasn't always possible to tell what form the data in the database was to begin with. | 00:15 |
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| juan1 | if you upgrade and continues the data problems you have to fixed manually | 00:17 |
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| @Haarg | what was the upgrade path you followed? | 00:18 |
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| juan1 | 7.4.40 to 7.5.20 | 00:18 |
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| @Haarg | you said you are on 7.5.20 right now, what were you running prior to that? | 00:18 |
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| @Haarg | ok | 00:18 |
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| juan1 | 7.5.20 to 7.5.40 | 00:18 |
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| juan1 | was the process correct? | 00:19 |
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| @Haarg | yes, i'm just verifying something | 00:19 |
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| @Haarg | was just making sure you didn't get hit with a separate issue, but you wouldn't have | 00:21 |
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| elnino | anyone have svn and webgui wre installed together? | 04:13 |
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| elnino | anyone have two instances of mysql on a single server? I didn't see a wiki on it. I suspect that after I install wre, I can start up my 'first' instance of mysql without a problem? | 04:29 |
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| jmarsden | elnino: You would need to make sure each instance of MySQL bound to different TCP ports or to different (local) IP addresses if you have multiple IPs/interfcaes on your server. | 04:38 |
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| elnino | ok. Thanks! I assume that bugzilla and subversion will let me do that. I'm trying to read up on those before committing to the gig. | 04:39 |
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| jmarsden | I don't understand... you mean, you want to configure bugzilla and subversion to use one instance of mysql, and webgui to use a different one. Sounds doable... but why do you need to do it? | 04:40 |
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| jmarsden | They won't use the same databases anyway. | 04:41 |
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| elnino | no, I believe his setup is that bugzilla and subversion are using different databases. I thought he said they both use mysql. Maybe only one of them does. | 04:41 |
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| elnino | anyway, depending on what he has, I would combine them, but I dont' know enough about bugzilla and svn yet. | 04:42 |
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| jmarsden | Different databases != different instances of mysql. You can have one mysql daemon that hosts hundreds of databases... I have one like that on a server I manage... | 04:42 |
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| elnino | I know. | 04:42 |
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| elnino | they already exist and have an instance of mysql running, I'm adding webgui to the system. | 04:43 |
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| elnino | so iether I move those databases into webgui's instance, or leave as is and adjust the ports. | 04:43 |
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| elnino | for the two software. | 04:44 |
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| elnino | I have a feeling he alredy has two instances of mysql installed, but i'm not sure. | 04:44 |
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| jmarsden | OK, so just point webgui to use that existing instance... why create a new mysql instance just for webgui?? | 04:44 |
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| elnino | so webgui would be a third. | 04:44 |
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| elnino | because I don'tknow howto do that with wre =) | 04:44 |
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| elnino | I'd rather move those two to wre's instance, rather than moving webgui's database to their instance.. | 04:45 |
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| jmarsden | Why do you need the separation of multiple instances... oh. It must configure the database params somewhere... I'd either use a source tarball webgui install, or else kill the WRE MYSQL and point webgui at the existing mysql... but that's just me. | 04:45 |
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| elnino | yes, wre actually installs mysql in it's "space" | 04:46 |
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| * jmarsden is uncomfortable with the whole WRE approach of "do everything yourself all over again even if the system already does it"... but that's a philosophy issue! | 04:46 |
| elnino | I was like you jmarsden. | 04:46 |
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| jmarsden | So... what made you "see the WRE light"? | 04:47 |
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| elnino | but when you hand over a system to someone else, wre is TONS easier to maintain. I've done the source install, and I don't know if I'd ever recommend it again. You are probably more of a hacker than I care to be. | 04:47 |
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| elnino | it took me 2 weeks to do. I had a 64-bit system that wasn't supported back then runnin suse and it was a bear. | 04:48 |
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| jmarsden | That's probably true... I am a sysadmin/netadmin mostly and have been doing that for 20+ years... | 04:48 |
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| elnino | it prbably wasn't just webgui, but everything I needed to install was buggy let alone I had hardware isssues too that I didn't know about | 04:48 |
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| elnino | I don't have 20 yeras under my belt yet.. getting there... | 04:48 |
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| jmarsden | Hopefully in future you can do the Ubuntu package install and get the best of both worlds: easy webgui install plus use the stuff the system proves :) | 04:48 |
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| elnino | and it's not sysadmin. It's programing. | 04:49 |
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| elnino | I had a newwork guy that did all that for me. =) | 04:49 |
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| elnino | I thought ubuntu was a dev version of something else. | 04:50 |
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| jmarsden | No, Ubuntu is a Linux distro the same way Fedora or Debian or SuSE or Mandriva are. | 04:50 |
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| elnino | just to be sure.. wre sometimes gets a little too smart for itself, and can cause problems | 04:50 |
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| elnino | hmmm. i know there's something out there, that is related to another distro, one's the dev, and the other is more for production and they have different names.. can't think. | 04:51 |
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| elnino | so many out there. | 04:51 |
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| jmarsden | I need to look at it more closely; I took one look at WRE, basically, went "ewwww", and chose the source tarball :) | 04:51 |
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| jmarsden | Fedora can be considered the dev version for RHEL, in some ways. | 04:52 |
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| elnino | lol I did the exact opposit. | 04:52 |
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| elnino | maybe that's the two. | 04:52 |
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| * jmarsden decides to create a virtual server this evening just to install WRE and see what it really looks like... :) | 04:56 |
| @Haarg | elnino, it's pretty simple to configure the wre to use the system's mysql | 04:57 |
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| elnino | it's got some nice utilities. Upgrades takes 10mins or so. I may look at the source install when I recover from 4 years ago. =) | 04:57 |
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| elnino | I'm listening Haarg. | 04:57 |
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| elnino | do I just kill it and adjust the config? | 04:57 |
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| @Haarg | well, you can set the db information in the wre.conf file | 04:58 |
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| @Haarg | and just never start the wre's mysql after getting it installed | 04:58 |
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| elnino | ok. | 04:58 |
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| @Haarg | mysql is the simplest part to use the system's version of | 04:58 |
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| elnino | does the wreservice "know" that I'm using the system's mysql? | 04:58 |
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| @Haarg | it wouldn't | 04:59 |
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| elnino | ok. so don't do "all" | 04:59 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 04:59 |
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| @Haarg | but that's usually never needed anyway | 04:59 |
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| elnino | I'll commit it out. | 04:59 |
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| elnino | s/commit/comment | 04:59 |
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| elnino | Haarg, i'm writting a VERY simple/high level wiki. are there any startup scripts in wre that would need to be disabled? | 05:05 |
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| elnino | Haarg, what about perl.. I believe either subversion or bugzilla uses perl...should I modify the conf as if I was following the source install instrcutions (which I've done before) | 05:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | does anybody have a good maultaschen recipe? | 05:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | where good = not much spinach | 05:34 |
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| elnino | you mean Spaetzle | 05:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh no, Spaetzle we have covered | 05:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maultaschen | 05:35 |
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| elnino | oh, this is filled pasta. are you german. | 05:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, but my wife wants to be | 05:35 |
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| elnino | lol | 05:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | She's reading over my shoulder, she says Hi! | 05:35 |
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| elnino | I could ask my mom....it's still early. | 05:36 |
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| elnino | hi! | 05:36 |
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| elnino | she's bound to have german recipies. | 05:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Your mom? She's german? And Schwabish? | 05:36 |
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| elnino | she's 100% german. makeing me half. | 05:36 |
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| elnino | my dad, well, the other half of me is mutt. | 05:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Kathy spent a year on exchange in Germany while she was in college. | 05:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | i had to chase her across the Atlantic ocean twice! | 05:37 |
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| elnino | And you won! | 05:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lucky man that I am. | 05:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Fortunately for me, Portland is large enough that is sports a few German deli's and restaurants. | 05:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | so we can get ingredients and stuff that are hard to find over here | 05:39 |
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| elnino | I'm on the phone with my mom. She doesn't have a recipe, but she knows someone that might. When do you need it by? | 05:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | No rush. Several weeks would be great | 05:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | We just found out tonight that the boys will eat it. | 05:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | So now if we can make it from scratch, we can have it more often. | 05:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Please tell you mom and her friend that I owe them one. | 05:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | so if they ever need WebGUI help, perl programming, etc. I've got it covered. | 05:40 |
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| jmarsden | perlDreamer: http://www.chefkoch.de/rs/s0/maultaschen/Rezepte.html has 147 Maultaschen recipies... good enough? | 05:41 |
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| elnino | =) | 05:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | awesome quantity, but tried and true always helps | 05:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we could swap your mom for a recipe | 05:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | Does she like breakfast cookies? | 05:42 |
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| elnino | lol. | 05:42 |
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| elnino | you think that I would have more time on my hands, but I seem to be spending as much time on the computer as I did working =( | 05:44 |
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| elnino | i would liked to have tried that recipe by now | 05:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Other things came up | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Besides we had it for 15 years before we tried to make any | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | You've only had it for a week. | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | she's had an account for a while | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | but she's not on very often | 06:05 |
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| elnino | You know, the comment I made about my dad, that didn't sound too good, did it? ... He has a lot of nationalities, that's what I meant. It could have been taken a very wrong way in many ways. | 06:09 |
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| daviddelikat | what item on the 'new content' admin menu is used? | 17:14 |
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| elnino | hi. | 05:19 |
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| elnino | after my last spell of seeing spectre using 58% of my memory, I decided to watch it a little closer. | 05:19 |
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| elnino | every hour it increases about 1.5 when viewing it via ps aux | 05:20 |
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| elnino | then I started seeing two of them. | 05:20 |
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| elnino | So first question, what would cause two of them to appear? | 05:20 |
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| elnino | running 7.5.24 | 05:20 |
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| elnino | with 8.5 wre (I believe) | 05:21 |
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| @preaction_ | elnino: two of them because one can't be killed by the wremonitor (the one that is growing out of control) | 05:43 |
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| elnino | ok. thanks | 05:43 |
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| elnino | I'm thinking I should restart the spectre service every night. | 05:43 |
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| elnino | thoughts? | 05:43 |
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| elnino | that way it doesn't have a chance to grow. I really don't know how to even start looking to see why it's growing over time... =( | 05:46 |
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| elnino | hi patspam | 06:25 |
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| patspam | hi elnino! | 06:25 |
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| elnino | just waking up? | 06:25 |
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| patspam | heh i wish, 3:30pm over here :) | 06:25 |
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| elnino | I thought you were 12 hours diff | 06:26 |
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| patspam | which tz are you in? | 06:26 |
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| elnino | CST | 06:26 |
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| elnino | minnesota | 06:26 |
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| elnino | I guess it's only 7 hours. | 06:27 |
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| patspam | ah ok.. cst is UTC-6 | 06:27 |
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| patspam | I'm in EST which is UTC+10 | 06:27 |
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| +Radix-wrk | 1:26pm here | 06:27 |
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| elnino | yep. | 06:28 |
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| elnino | where are you radix-wrk? | 06:28 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Opposite side of australia to patspam ;) | 06:28 |
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| +Radix-wrk | West Coast | 06:28 |
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| patspam | nice and far away from the bushfires! | 06:28 |
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| +Radix-wrk | We get enough here too usually.. but yeah.. you guys are having a hard time atm :( | 06:29 |
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| elnino | niether of you have much of an accent. =) | 06:29 |
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| +Radix-wrk | irc accents.. yeah, that's something that'd be interesting.. | 06:29 |
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| elnino | can't be too far away, record your voice, and the computer can read the words in your tone... | 06:35 |
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| elnino | hey preaction_, do you see an issues of me restartn gmy spectre everynight so it doesn't grow too big over time? I don't know how to even start looking to see why it grows over time. unless you do. | 07:09 |
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| wgGuest93 | TEST | 09:26 |
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| wgGuest93 | HELLO | 09:26 |
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| wgGuest93 | SOMEBODY HERE | 09:26 |
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| zylopfa | Anyone familar with the payment driver api? | 15:19 |
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| ryuu_ro | kind of, what are you looking for? | 15:19 |
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| zylopfa | I am creating a driver for a danish payment provider (the one banks also use) | 15:20 |
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| zylopfa | Problem with this is that you don't get a "postback' when the users subscription needs to be renewed | 15:20 |
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| zylopfa | You should handling the "re-authorization" yourself, the provider dont do this | 15:20 |
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| ryuu_ro | yeah, that's sounds like a familair problem | 15:21 |
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| zylopfa | So I have to create "workflows" on the run, whenever i get a subscriber | 15:21 |
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| zylopfa | It will be a lot of workflows like this :( | 15:22 |
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| ryuu_ro | do you know how often a subscription needs to be renewed? | 15:22 |
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| zylopfa | Will that not be a major ressource hog? | 15:22 |
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| ryuu_ro | every three months or so? | 15:22 |
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| zylopfa | Every month or so | 15:22 |
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| zylopfa | but its the sku that should define that | 15:23 |
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| zylopfa | so its different from what sku you have | 15:23 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, so every evening/night you wan't to run a workflow to check for the subscriptons | 15:23 |
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| ryuu_ro | and for how many users? | 15:23 |
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| zylopfa | ahh yeah good idea | 15:23 |
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| zylopfa | it should scale very good | 15:23 |
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| zylopfa | I have no users atm but i plan for it to be used with thousands of users | 15:24 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, at this moment we run workflows every night that process about 50.000 thousand users | 15:24 |
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| zylopfa | I can check the users every day which are in the group for the sku's | 15:24 |
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| zylopfa | cause the sku's for recurring define what group users should be in | 15:25 |
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| zylopfa | yeah ryuu_ro i should make 1 workflow for this | 15:25 |
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| ryuu_ro | it takes up to half an hour on the most complex workflows | 15:25 |
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| ryuu_ro | yeah | 15:25 |
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| ryuu_ro | absolutely | 15:25 |
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| zylopfa | I want it to make the workflow dynamically | 15:25 |
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| zylopfa | so other users can use my module easy | 15:25 |
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| zylopfa | so they dont have to worry about creating workflows or setting them up | 15:25 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, well that sounds good :) | 15:26 |
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| zylopfa | Its the major danish payment provider i make it for | 15:26 |
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| zylopfa | they are in charge of clearing all creditcards in denmark | 15:26 |
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| ryuu_ro | which one is that? In holland we have Ogone | 15:26 |
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| zylopfa | all other providers go through this company also banks | 15:26 |
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| zylopfa | PBS its called | 15:26 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, thats cool | 15:27 |
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| zylopfa | Banks Payment Serivces its called if you translate it | 15:27 |
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| zylopfa | Its also the entity that own the danish credit card the "Dankort" | 15:27 |
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| zylopfa | ryuu_ro, thanks a lot for helping me clear this out | 15:28 |
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| ryuu_ro | no problem! Good luck with creating the workflow | 15:28 |
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| zylopfa | thanks a lot! | 15:28 |
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| SDuensin | Hello all. | 18:10 |
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| @preaction | morning | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, SDuensin | 18:12 |
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| * SDuensin is still alive out here. Just damn busy. | 18:13 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9468 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm): Fix bad form variable for phone number in EMS Badge address info. | 19:22 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | err, what's broken when the asset manager isn't showing any assets? | 20:06 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | and Haarg that tmpl editor function for wgd is incredibly useful. | 20:07 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | ah, nevermind, it is of course a domain name issue. | 20:09 |
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| * perlDreamer heads to the office. bbiaw | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | can someone with a Safari browser please try to duplicate this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9107 | 21:05 |
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| ryuu_ro | perlDreamer: works for me | 21:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what I want to hear | 21:14 |
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| ryuu_ro | :) | 21:15 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9470 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Prefill in the email address in the ITransact credentials form from the user's Shop address. | 21:20 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: in 7.6 does the wgd edittmpl have problems if there is nothing in the head tag for you? | 21:50 |
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| @Haarg | are you using edittmpl? | 21:51 |
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| @rizen | git sucks | 21:51 |
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| @Haarg | i haven't actually used the command much myself | 21:51 |
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| @rizen | git requires more work | 21:51 |
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| @rizen | git is less safe | 21:51 |
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| @rizen | and Haarg likes git | 21:51 |
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| @rizen | so that makes it doubly worse | 21:52 |
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| @Haarg | but in the latest version that command is just called 'edit' | 21:52 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yep | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen, git is like a very large, very sharp +5 battle axe of code management | 21:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | it must be swung very carefully | 21:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | otherwise, you can chop off your own legs and bleed to death in a frenzy of version control | 21:54 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: ah, looks like whatever was wrong is fixed in the latest | 21:54 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | thanks :) | 21:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | but when facing monsters, it is your best friend | 21:54 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: if git and svn were in a fight, git might be able to slice svn in half, but svn would win because it could stab git in the belly before git even got moving | 21:55 |
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| zylopfa | I am having some interesting problems with my payment driver | 21:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | bring it on, zylopfa | 21:56 |
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| zylopfa | ok here it is: the payment gateway i code against does not post back when a recurring payment is due | 21:57 |
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| zylopfa | you have to do it yourself in webgui code | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | then you need a workflow | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | or, even better, a cron job | 21:57 |
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| zylopfa | all the payment gateway do is save the creditcard data for later deduction | 21:58 |
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| zylopfa | yeah but my real problem is this | 21:58 |
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| zylopfa | I made an initial transaction for the recurring subscription | 21:58 |
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| zylopfa | and the subscriber has been put in the group SubscriberGroup | 21:58 |
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| zylopfa | this is good so far | 21:58 |
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| zylopfa | BUT | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's a "but" | 21:59 |
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| zylopfa | now i need to create a daily that checks the SubscriberGroup's members, transaction ( the initial one) | 21:59 |
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| zylopfa | and make a new transaction using the id of the initial transaction | 21:59 |
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| zylopfa | but i dont know how this is done best | 22:00 |
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| zylopfa | i mean i need relations from "SubscriberGroup" => these users transactions, that put them in this group | 22:00 |
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| zylopfa | I dont know how i do this | 22:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | it sounds like you need a separate table | 22:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | that records userIds and transactions | 22:01 |
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| zylopfa | damn, thats not so pro when i want to make a payment driver for webgui | 22:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, for ease, expiration dates | 22:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, if the system stores credit card data, that's another problem | 22:01 |
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| zylopfa | my system doesnt | 22:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it is forbidden for core code to store credit card data | 22:02 |
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| zylopfa | it only store original transaction id | 22:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, that's okay then | 22:02 |
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| zylopfa | and from that you can draw more money from the card | 22:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the same thing, then | 22:02 |
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| zylopfa | I can make the first transactions fine, but i have problem making subsequent ones | 22:02 |
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| zylopfa | cause i cant find a query that can do it | 22:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what building the 2nd table would get you | 22:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | in my opinion, anyway | 22:03 |
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| zylopfa | perlDreamer, but no creditcard data is on my system its in the paymentgateways system | 22:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I understand, zylopfa | 22:03 |
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| zylopfa | I wanted to make it easy like this: subscribers gets added to "Subscribers" group and a workflow is executed when they expire | 22:04 |
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| zylopfa | this workflow then initiates recurring payments based on original transactionid | 22:04 |
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| @rizen | Haarg is a complainer | 22:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen, are you sure you're not confusing Haarg with me? | 22:05 |
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| zylopfa | but i guess its better to create a table with "current recurring subscriptions" | 22:05 |
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| @rizen | turns out Haarg has vanity issues | 22:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, a separate table is very clear. | 22:06 |
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| * perlDreamer staunchly defends Haarg | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and reminds rizen that we had similar problems switching from CVS to SVN | 22:07 |
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| @rizen | i should also mention that Haarg is a purist | 22:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | if we switch git, it will be the last version control system we use ever! | 22:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | for at least two years | 22:07 |
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| zylopfa | perlDreamer, if i want this driver to be included in webgui isn't it stupid to use none core things? like adding new tables to the shop thing? | 22:07 |
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| @rizen | which makes him not only elitest but exclusionary | 22:07 |
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| @rizen | which goes against the principals of open source | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, adding new tables is not a problem | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | just manage them well | 22:08 |
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| zylopfa | yeah | 22:08 |
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| zylopfa | the payment driver is pretty complex when you have to take care of the recurring things yourself | 22:08 |
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| zylopfa | ITransact dont have to do that | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it really bothers you, you could run through the entire transaction table and manually check for the data | 22:08 |
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| zylopfa | either does Paypal | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | but wow, that's a lot of work | 22:08 |
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| zylopfa | yeah but the Subscriptions has different revisions | 22:09 |
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| zylopfa | well i make the extra table | 22:09 |
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| zylopfa | The gateway i program to uses SOAP | 22:10 |
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| zylopfa | perlDreamer, when i have made this PayDriver, the PayPal one will be piece of cake | 22:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool. I might have been able to pick up a customer if WebGUI had a PayPal plugin | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | so the sooner it is done, the better | 22:12 |
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| zylopfa | ok i will make it very soon then | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | they went with a dotNetNuke site | 22:12 |
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| zylopfa | and with recurring and all the stuff it support | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it is dog slow | 22:12 |
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| zylopfa | perlDreamer, can i ask some other things | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: we can forgive him his puritanical ways, he drinks dark beer, hacks perl and builds beautiful tools | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, you may always ask | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | no need to ask | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | although, I need to leave the coffeeshop soon | 22:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | (10 minutes or so) | 22:14 |
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| zylopfa | when you create a Subscription Wobject | 22:14 |
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| zylopfa | you have the option to choose subscription period | 22:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | ywa | 22:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:15 |
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| zylopfa | but its limited to 6 presets, like week,2weeks, month, ect. | 22:15 |
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| zylopfa | could there be made an alteration to the definition so you can provide the number of days? | 22:15 |
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| zylopfa | in addition to the presets maybe | 22:16 |
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| zylopfa | or should i just create another Subscription module that overrides the definition? | 22:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what I would do | 22:17 |
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| zylopfa | yeah me too | 22:17 |
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| zylopfa | its fairly easy | 22:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | changes to Shop::Pay.pm would need to supported by all plugins | 22:17 |
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| zylopfa | yeah true | 22:17 |
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| zylopfa | perlDreamer, but Shop.Pay has nothing to do with the subscription itself | 22:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | Asset/Sku/Subscription pulls recurrance data from Shop/Pay.pm | 22:18 |
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| zylopfa | its just the amount of time before the user gets removed from the subscription | 22:18 |
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| zylopfa | Are you sure perlDreamer ? | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | very sure | 22:19 |
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| zylopfa | I thought it was like this: | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: i'd like to set a new IRC policy | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | instead of telling people that they don't have to ask to ask | 22:19 |
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| zylopfa | yeah thats me | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | See line 141 of Asset/Sku/Subscription | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | simply say "shoot" or "go" or "do it" | 22:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | will do, rizen | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | it's far shorter than all that other nonsense | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | and probably less frustrating to the end user | 22:20 |
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| zylopfa | Pay Subscription => user gets put in group defined in subscription sku | 22:20 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: i'm incapable of forgiving haarg because bitching at him about how ridiclous git is, well, it's just too much fun | 22:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, far be it from me to deprive you of such fun | 22:21 |
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| zylopfa | and they get removed by a workflow that remove users from the groups they expired from | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | so to commit instead of doing: | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | svn update | 22:21 |
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| metanil | What factor determines the accessibility of each Admin Console components? | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | svn commit -m "something" | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | i must do | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | git pull origin master | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | git commit -a -m "something" | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | git push origin | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | that's a lot more typing | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | i'm going to be 50% less efficient | 22:22 |
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| @rizen | at least until i write the "gitspit" command | 22:22 |
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| @rizen | and the "gitsuck" command | 22:22 |
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| @Haarg | git config alias.up 'pull origin master' | 22:22 |
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| juan1 | what is the best way to migrate a site between servers? | 22:23 |
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| @bpmedley | that would probably take a support ticket | 22:23 |
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| @Haarg | only if it's hosted with us | 22:23 |
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| zylopfa | juan1, dump the database | 22:24 |
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| @Haarg | and copy the uploads directory | 22:24 |
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| zylopfa | and backup the /data tree | 22:24 |
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| zylopfa | and copy the data tree to the new server | 22:24 |
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| @Haarg | you may or may not need to transfer the config file as well | 22:24 |
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| zylopfa | and load the database back to your mysql there | 22:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg config files would come with /data | 22:24 |
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| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, you are wonderful ;-) | 22:24 |
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| zylopfa | indeed! | 22:24 |
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| bernd_kz | Thanks for the patch! | 22:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, bernd_kz | 22:25 |
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| @Haarg | if you're only copying one site though | 22:25 |
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| zylopfa | yeah | 22:25 |
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| @Haarg | doing the entire /data is a bit much | 22:25 |
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| zylopfa | true | 22:25 |
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| @Haarg | depending on your setup of course | 22:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it does guarantee that you get exactly the same setup on both sites | 22:25 |
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| @Haarg | and if the other server needs a different wre etc | 22:25 |
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| zylopfa | I have done a lot of copying of sites to other servers | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | you'd likely need to adjust the configs for ip addresses and such | 22:26 |
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| zylopfa | both 1 at a time and whole instalations of sites | 22:26 |
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| zylopfa | yeah Haarg you need to tune the config files | 22:26 |
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| zylopfa | or rather the apache ones | 22:26 |
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| juan1 | thanks for the suggestions, i am going to follow your instructions | 22:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | mucho suerte, juan1 | 22:27 |
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| zylopfa | just remember to backup the server you move to | 22:27 |
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| zylopfa | if it has webgui sites installed already | 22:28 |
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| juan1 | ok | 22:28 |
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| zylopfa | even if you think you can do it right, its very not good if you make errors (i did that ) | 22:28 |
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| juan1 | thanks | 22:29 |
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| zylopfa | any time | 22:33 |
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| metanil | What factor determines the accessibility of each Admin Console components? | 22:43 |
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| @Haarg | ui level usually | 22:47 |
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| @Haarg | some things have real permissions attached | 22:47 |
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| metanil | ui levels are for assets .. right? | 22:49 |
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| metanil | but admin console are operations. | 22:49 |
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| @Haarg | ui levels are used in a lot of places | 22:51 |
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| @Haarg | for assets, particular fields in assets, and parts of the admin console | 22:52 |
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| metanil | so for example, how is it defined for "Content Manager"'s UI Level ? | 22:53 |
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| metanil | because i know Content Manager won't be able to view (or edit) most of the admin stuffs. | 22:54 |
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| @Haarg | ui level is per user | 22:54 |
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| @Haarg | not attached to groups | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | Are deleting accounts for people who abuse the wiki with advertising? | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | Are we deleting accounts, that is. | 23:06 |
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| metanil | Haarg: but there must be some kind of restrictive rules not allowing to access some of the content of admin console.. so how do webgui determines it? | 23:07 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer i should but i was lazy and just deleted their revision instead. | 23:14 |
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| @rizen | i thought about deleting haargs account for setting me up with git though | 23:14 |
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| @rizen | luckily for him i was lazy on that count too | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | but then you'd be stuck with doing support | 23:15 |
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| @rizen | oh no, i have bpmedley and stdavid for that | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | but then you'd be stuck training them how to do support | 23:16 |
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| @rizen | already have | 23:16 |
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| @rizen | they're already doing it | 23:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | but Haarg is already trained on how to deal with rizen. Who else is going to do that if you delete his account? | 23:22 |
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| @preaction | that's part of the problems, there's no fun of breaking in the newbies with Haarg | 23:23 |
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| @rizen | as far as i know i haven't made stDavid or bpmedley cry or scream in horror even once yet | 23:24 |
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| @rizen | no fun for me | 23:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, you're just not trying hard enough yet | 23:25 |
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| @rizen | i'm going to try hard this week | 23:25 |
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| @rizen | i'll be assigning their tasks for 7.7 development this week | 23:25 |
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| @rizen | and all the milestone dates | 23:25 |
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| @rizen | that should have bpmedley and stDavid screaming like little girls | 23:26 |
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| @rizen | oh hi bpmedley i didn't see you there | 23:26 |
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| @rizen | =) | 23:26 |
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| @bpmedley | oh dear | 23:26 |
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| @bpmedley | sorry.. i had to goto a different coffee shop | 23:27 |
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| @rizen | bpmedley: are you still visiting your parents, or is it the DSL line back at your office that died on you? | 23:28 |
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| @bpmedley | will need to wait until tomorrow to get dsl back at my home office | 23:29 |
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| bernd_kz | rizen, did I get you correctly that we can keep applying patches to the 7.5.x branch? | 23:29 |
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| @rizen | yup | 23:30 |
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| bernd_kz | Cool! Thanks. | 23:30 |
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| @Haarg | bernd_kz, keep in mind that you'll only want to make code changes | 23:30 |
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| @rizen | 7.5 has no more official releases coming out | 23:30 |
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| bernd_kz | So no more update scripts, correct? | 23:30 |
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| @Haarg | correct | 23:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | not unless you want to make manual upgrade scripts from that point forward | 23:30 |
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| bernd_kz | Good. I will keep that in mind. | 23:31 |
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| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, just applied your fix to my site. | 23:31 |
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| bernd_kz | It's working. Thanks again! | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | bernd_kz: 7.4 is no more stable than 7.5 | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | i got the impression from your email that you think 7.4 is somehow more stable | 23:32 |
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| @preaction | probably less so | 23:32 |
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| bernd_kz | No, 7.5.40 is more stable than 7.6.11? is what I was trying to say. | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | oh | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | ok | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | yeah, 7.6 still needs some work | 23:33 |
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| bernd_kz | But you may prove me wring. | 23:33 |
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| bernd_kz | wrong | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | but it's at the beginning of it's life | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | an 7.5 is at the end | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | so that makes sense | 23:33 |
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| bernd_kz | I know. It's a natural process. | 23:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | In biology, stable == dead | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | same for coe | 23:34 |
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| @rizen | code | 23:34 |
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| bernd_kz | Hm, I should probably contradict. But I cannot come up with something meaningful... :-( | 23:34 |
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| bernd_kz | BTW, I talked Mr. | 23:35 |
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| bernd_kz | No, hit the enter key to early. | 23:35 |
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| bernd_kz | What I wanted to say is that I talked to some guy from the organizers of Open Source Expo again. | 23:35 |
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| bernd_kz | It will still take them a while for preparing sign up forms and brochures. | 23:36 |
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| bernd_kz | Be had little doubt that we can have a booth there. | 23:36 |
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| bernd_kz | So who is coming to visit Karlsruhe and Heidelberg? | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Boy, am I glad that dreamersgirl is not online right now. | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | She would volunteer in a heartbeat | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it would have to include a sidetrip to Gersbach | 23:37 |
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| bernd_kz | Cool. I am going to reserve our best guest room for you. | 23:37 |
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| bernd_kz | Parents in law? | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, university professor. | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | But we cannot afford to come. | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | We hope she is going to start at the University for nursing in June | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | so we have to save all we can for tuition | 23:38 |
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| bernd_kz | Hm, rizen was talking about sponsoring exhibitions on conferences. | 23:38 |
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| bernd_kz | Maybe he wants to sponsor the flight??? | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think he was talking about locals doing things to keep costs down. | 23:38 |
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| bernd_kz | Ah, I see. | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if he wanted to fly us out to Deutschland I wouldn't argue too much | 23:39 |
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| bernd_kz | He is quite good at that, isn't he? | 23:39 |
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| bernd_kz | I think he is pretending not to listen. | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen is a very good, frugal manager. | 23:39 |
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| bernd_kz | frugal? | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | doing the most with what you have | 23:40 |
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| bernd_kz | Useful vocabulary. | 23:41 |
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| bernd_kz | I am going to remember. | 23:41 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: are you calling me cheap? | 23:42 |
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| @rizen | cuz i'm not cheap | 23:42 |
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| @rizen | =) | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | frugal != cheap | 23:42 |
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| @rizen | khenn is the cheap one | 23:42 |
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| @rizen | =) | 23:42 |
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| @rizen | bernd_kz: perlDreamer is right, having locals man the booth keeps the cost down | 23:42 |
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| @rizen | so i'm happy to ship you supplies | 23:43 |
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| @rizen | but i can't ship you people | 23:43 |
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| bernd_kz | That's alright. I did not expect it. | 23:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | unless they fit in several small boxes? :) | 23:43 |
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| bernd_kz | I was just wondering if someone was eager to come. | 23:43 |
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| bernd_kz | I can offer free lodging... | 23:43 |
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| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, snail mail for more than 4 weeks on the Atlantic ocean? | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | it is less than optimal. I'll have to get a handcrank to recharge the battery. | 23:45 |
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| bernd_kz | I see you are making plans already. | 23:45 |
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| bernd_kz | Don't forget to ship in time!!! | 23:45 |
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| bernd_kz | Ok, guys. Time for me to go to bed. | 23:46 |
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| bernd_kz | Good night. | 23:46 |
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| * perlDreamer heads off to a conference. | 00:12 |
| * deafferret eats a donut. err... oh, wait. nevermind | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's at 4:00pm PST, deafferret. Be patient | 00:15 |
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| deafferret | pizza standard time? | 00:19 |
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| deafferret | 3 minute conference? wow ;) | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | mmmm | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | pizza | 00:59 |
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| @rizen | sounds good to me | 00:59 |
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| * perlDreamer has fond dreams of TeddyWedgers | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't eat one last year | 00:59 |
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| * perlDreamer is having the dt's | 01:00 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: one more reason to dislike Haarg besides the fact that he likes git is that he doesn't like Teddy Wedgers | 01:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | in that case he's canned | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | hahahhaha | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | i knew i could turn you against him | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | now i just need to turn git against him and all will be right in the universe | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | maybe we should just switch to mecurial or one of those other new version control systems | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | that would piss him off | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | or go back to cvs | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | that would really get him | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | =) | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd have to leave if we went back to CVS | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's like potty training all over again | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | ok, well maybe i'll have to give up the fight | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | cuz i can't lose you | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: you need this: http://scifiwire.com/2009/02/human-or-toaster-the-new-iphone-cylon-detector-lets-you-be-sure.php | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | probably easier to get Haarg to like TeddyWedgers | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe some operant conditioning, with drug and psychomediation | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | you know, despite all of haargs shortcomings | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | i still like him | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | and unfortunately i made the decision long ago not to hate him for not liking teddy wedgers | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | but that doesn't mean i can't razz him about it | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | as for that iphone app | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | that only works if you're a fan of battlestar | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | which i am not | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we need to modify it to detect PHP users | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | that would be far more useful | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | http://www.bbspot.com/news/2000/6/php_suspend.html | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | it's a sad sad day: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/03/perl_test.html | 01:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | it was a sad day 8 years ago | 01:07 |
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| @rizen | i have really long days | 01:08 |
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| @rizen | i still love those two articles even after all these years | 01:08 |
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| @rizen | =) | 01:08 |
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| patspam | the last paragraph rubs a bit.. "It is believed that many users started by using Perl and moved on to the more powerful PHP" | 01:11 |
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| patspam | woohoo today is version bump day! oh wait, it's still feb 9th for you guys, damn.. | 01:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | 8 hours and 35 minutes | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | not that we're counting or anything :) | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | which man page has the list of perl warnings? | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | perldoc perldiag | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, precation! | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to setup an alias perlwarn = perldiag | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | cue deafferret's dietary abuse rant of the day | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | one nice thing about git is when you commit, you can ask it to show you what the patch looks like | 04:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | and when you do git diff, it uses your pager by default | 04:15 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9471 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: improving matrix performance | 04:39 |
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| patspam | preaction: ping | 04:49 |
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| patspam | ooh rizen is still here, even better | 04:50 |
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| patspam | re: Andy's "Adding Rich Text to Data Table" RFE | 04:50 |
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| @rizen | re: re: re: re | 04:50 |
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| patspam | Andy is looking for a nice way for content managers to put content into a table | 04:51 |
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| @rizen | nobody likes andy very much | 04:52 |
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| patspam | if that table is a YUI-powered table then more's the better, because it looks perdy | 04:52 |
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| patspam | heh, andy included | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | but he makes very nice drawings | 04:52 |
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| @rizen | drawrings? | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | drawnoses, too | 04:53 |
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| patspam | andyillustrations.com | 04:53 |
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| @rizen | i know what he's going for patspam | 04:53 |
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| @rizen | i just don't know if that's what we want datatable to do | 04:53 |
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| @rizen | i'm still thinking on it | 04:53 |
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| @preaction | if he wants that, there is Thingy | 04:54 |
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| @preaction | DataTable == spreadsheet | 04:54 |
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| @rizen | datatable != spreadsheet | 04:54 |
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| @rizen | webgui will not have a spreadsheet | 04:55 |
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| @rizen | i disagree with you on that preaction | 04:55 |
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| patspam | a YUI-powered Thingy template would probably do it | 04:55 |
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| patspam | we could even use the JSON api I get yung to build a few months ago to do it | 04:56 |
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| @rizen | cuz we're not going to do any of the formula calculation bs that a spreadsheet does | 04:56 |
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| @rizen | but at the same time it doesn't seem like a good idea to put formatted content into the datatable | 04:57 |
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| @rizen | i think that preaction's intentions to keep data table's data clear of HTML is a good one | 05:00 |
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| @rizen | because it gives us more flexibility to do crazy stuff | 05:00 |
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| @rizen | html is just so willy nilly | 05:00 |
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| @rizen | it can cause formatting problems | 05:00 |
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| @rizen | anyway, sorry. i'm just thinking outloud | 05:01 |
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| @rizen | oh, and git sucks | 05:01 |
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| patspam | yeah.. if you were doing it all via js you'd have your data source with pure data, and then use DataTable formatters to render the data into whatever pretty html you liked, whilst still being able to sort/manipulate the raw data | 05:01 |
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| @preaction | hence using thingy to have key=>value pairs of data | 05:05 |
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| @preaction | and relational records (behavior, sub-behavior, symptom, etc...) | 05:05 |
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| patspam | andy's coming to the wuc this year | 05:07 |
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| patspam | you can all tell him how much you love him then | 05:07 |
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| Lisette | how to do to get the address of shipping into paydriver? | 05:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisette,it is attached to the cart object. | 05:25 |
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| Lisette | cart or self? | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Cart | 05:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | From the PayDriver, $self->getCart | 05:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | then you can check the Cart API on how to get the shipping address | 05:29 |
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| Lisette | thanks | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | way to go daviddelikat! | 06:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Do you think we need to tell the YUI group about this? | 06:13 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9472 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed bug #9629: override stringify date format to use java default format. | 06:31 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9473 /branch/survey-rfe/ (130 files in 46 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Merge branch 'master' into survey | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * master: (127 commits) | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Prefill in the email address in the ITransact credentials form from the user's Shop address. | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fixed Matrix best/worst rated lists | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix bad form variable for phone number in EMS Badge address info. | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: - Added a switch to allow the use of non-WebGUI objects with the Workflow | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9474 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Part-way through merging Survey features from trunk | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Cleaned up Survey Edit screen, hover help, layout etc.. | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added "jump to" AutoComplete box on Section Edit dialog (as per Answer | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Edit dialog) | 10:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: N.B. "take survey" is currently broken, but will be easy to fix | 10:20 |
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| * plainhao is having trouble with templates. | 13:29 |
| * plainhao is having trouble with a lot of little details and wrong assumptions, actually :) | 13:30 |
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| Lisette | i can modify the fields of an address shipping? | 15:09 |
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| Lisette | can i modify the fields of an shipping address? | 15:14 |
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| +BartJol | I'm not sure, if you can it should be one of the shop templates | 15:17 |
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| Lisette | ok, thanks | 15:21 |
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| daviddelikat | where can I find some documentation for ad manager? | 16:55 |
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| +BartJol | isn't that in the help? | 16:56 |
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| daviddelikat | I've been searching weggui.com for different things and I come up empty | 16:58 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I don't see it in the help, allthough I know it is in one of the books | 16:59 |
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| daviddelikat | where can I find the books? | 17:00 |
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| +BartJol | the administraors guide, to be precise | 17:00 |
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| daviddelikat | something to buy? | 17:00 |
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| +BartJol | https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2 | 17:01 |
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| +BartJol | yes | 17:01 |
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| +BartJol | 6000 karma it appears | 17:01 |
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| +BartJol | for a b/w edition | 17:01 |
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| +BartJol | but | 17:02 |
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| +BartJol | if it's something short and simple, I'm willing to look it up | 17:02 |
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| daviddelikat | I just need to know how to get into the ad manager | 17:03 |
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| +BartJol | well it is in the admin console | 17:03 |
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| daviddelikat | ahah! not under new content... | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | there you can add adspces, that are invoked by a macro | 17:04 |
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| daviddelikat | that is a good start | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | yes | 17:04 |
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| daviddelikat | many thanks | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | it's a start | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | np | 17:04 |
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| Lisette | anyone know if webgui have a form control that i can resize an image like google when i atach a picture? | 17:57 |
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| +BartJol | well in the settings, there is a max image size setting | 18:03 |
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| +BartJol | but that applies to evrybody | 18:03 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:17 |
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| @preaction | Lisette: not currently, no. it's something that we want but nobody's done it yet | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Howdy, everybody. | 18:26 |
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| * deafferret waves | 18:27 |
| daviddelikat | howdy | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: sorry that I couldn't hang around later last night. Do we need to tell the YUI folks that their data stringification is broken? | 18:31 |
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| daviddelikat | hmmm, I submitted a fix | 18:31 |
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| daviddelikat | oh, isee | 18:32 |
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| daviddelikat | no not really | 18:32 |
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| @Haarg | what format does it currently output? | 18:32 |
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| daviddelikat | the stringification uses a custom format internally | 18:32 |
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| daviddelikat | its an iso format i think | 18:32 |
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| @Haarg | and what is the change you made? | 18:32 |
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| daviddelikat | JS doesn't recognize it directly | 18:32 |
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| daviddelikat | I overrode it for our data tables so that it uses the JS standard format | 18:33 |
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| daviddelikat | it is designed to be overridden at need | 18:33 |
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| @Haarg | i don't think it's a matter of the YUI format being 'broken' | 18:34 |
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| daviddelikat | correct, | 18:34 |
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| @Haarg | there's no standard way to represent dates in json as far as i can tell | 18:34 |
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| daviddelikat | yes, if your try Date.toString() you will get the default format | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | what does it mean, though, when it emits dates that it won't parse? | 18:35 |
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| daviddelikat | this format is recognized whin you do something like var x = Date.parse(string) | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it's only the built in date parser for the DataTable then? | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: Are you working on the anymous registration bug? | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | not actively | 18:37 |
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| daviddelikat | Date.parse() is a JS function | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i can | 18:45 |
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| @Haarg | 't duplicate that bug on 7.6 | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll have a go at it on 7.5 then | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup, it exists in 7.5 | 18:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | no error messages | 18:48 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer : to answer your question about hte dates that wont parse: the YUI stringify function builds its own date string. does it the hard way too. but it is not intended to be read by JS directly. it is expected to go through 'unstringify' to get the date value back | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I found and fixed this bug in 7.6, and never backported it to 7.5 | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | email validation is also broken | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen gets 1 thumbs-up at Frozen Perl: http://use.perl.org/~gizmo_mathboy/journal/38443 | 19:09 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, does the t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t test pass for you? | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:15 |
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| @Haarg | what version of LWP are you using? | 19:15 |
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| @Haarg | and do you have a ~/.mime.types or ~/.media.types ? | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | LWP::MediaTypes 5.822 | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Neither of those files | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | LWP 5.823 | 19:17 |
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| @Haarg | can you post your media.types file? | 19:17 |
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| @Haarg | it should be in perl lib/LWP/media.types | 19:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m302dc086 for the media.types file | 19:18 |
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| @Haarg | is that from an rpm? | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:19 |
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| Lisette | in webgui there a plugin for crop images? | 19:19 |
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| @Haarg | ok | 19:19 |
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| @Haarg | that's not the standard LWP file | 19:20 |
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| @Haarg | causes the test to fail for anyone else | 19:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | so it's not a version problem? | 19:20 |
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| @Haarg | if you have 5.823 then nope | 19:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | stoopid fedora | 19:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | how different is it from the standard one? | 19:24 |
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| @Haarg | http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/GAAS/libwww-perl-5.823/lib/LWP/media.types | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | pretty different | 19:26 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 19:26 |
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| @Haarg | yours looks more like apache's | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | it sucks when the package makers do stuff like this | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe the FetchMimeType test is too aggressive, since it's really just checking the plugin to the module, rather than types | 19:28 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, that's what i was thinking | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll fix it | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | unless you're sitting on a pending commit | 19:28 |
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| @Haarg | nope | 19:28 |
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| @Haarg | thanks | 19:28 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: maybe you should see if there is some sort of runtime runtime env that 'just works' with all the correct versions and builds. I bet there is one out there :P | 19:29 |
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| @Haarg | nah | 19:30 |
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| @Haarg | webgui shouldn't be dependant on the wre anyway | 19:30 |
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| @Haarg | so catching stuff like this is valuable | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | fixed | 19:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | what else can I do to help? | 19:31 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | is Apache2::Request difficult to build on non-RH envs? It is like the most difficult mod in the world to build in Cent and Fedora. | 19:31 |
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| @Haarg | had no trouble with it on os x | 19:31 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | I hatesessesess it. | 19:31 |
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| @Haarg | i've built it on windows as well and it wasn't that bad | 19:31 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | probably just my stupid 64 bit envs. | 19:31 |
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| @Haarg | i'm working on the matrix test failure atm | 19:32 |
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| @Haarg | the only other test failing is the exif test | 19:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll have a look at that. | 19:32 |
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| @Haarg | and that's due to a change in more recent versions of the module we're using | 19:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll run the i18n test, too | 19:32 |
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| @Haarg | i18n stuff all passes | 19:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool | 19:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice for a change :) | 19:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | exif.t is passing for me | 19:33 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | anything else you need worked on? or should I just browse the bug list if I want to be useful? | 19:33 |
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| @Haarg | it probably won't pass if you update Image::ExifTool | 19:33 |
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| @Haarg | it passes on the wre and i'm pretty sure it's another case of the test being too strict rather than a real failure | 19:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | passes with a new Image::ExifTool, too | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | 7.67 | 19:35 |
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| @Haarg | rpm? | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | CPAN | 19:36 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 19:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | it also passed with the RPM that I just overwrote | 19:36 |
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| @Haarg | hm | 19:37 |
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| @Haarg | still failing here | 19:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | you mentioned that that the wre was passing, what kind of source setup are you running? | 19:39 |
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| @Haarg | i have a source install basically | 19:40 |
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| @Haarg | although i don't actually run the source version of apache | 19:40 |
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| @Haarg | i use the wre's apache and usually test in the wre and with the source install | 19:41 |
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| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/61492 | 19:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | the test basically duplicates the code inside of Photo.pm | 19:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | removes references | 19:45 |
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| @Haarg | back in a bit | 19:46 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9475 /WebGUI/t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t: Remove tests from FetchMimeType that just were setup to help Fedora pass. | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I know you're away, so I'll leave you some notes. | 20:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm convinced that this is a real bug | 20:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | the test makes sure that the template variables are set correctly, and tries to ignore the content by duplicate the exif | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | processing in the test | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it is different, then that says to me that something changed | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it passes here, so I'm not sure what the problem is | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | very nice, ack plugin for vim | 20:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://github.com/mileszs/ack.vim/tree/master | 20:11 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm not so convinced anymore, just confused | 20:12 |
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| @preaction | http://www.cornify.com/ YES, the Internet is now over! This guy wins |
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