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| daviddelikat | preaction: I'm investigting a disappearing picture for http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and I wanted to see if it caused any errors in the log. | 02:20 |
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| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/wg/promote/gooey-on-the-go/webgui-license-plate-club | 02:21 |
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| @preaction | daviddelikat: here's the error: 2009/01/31 18:17:02 - WARN - www.plainblack.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAs | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | setMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: wg/promote/gooey-on-the | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | -go/webgui-license-plate-club/michigan-license-plate Root cause: Can't use string (" | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | gooey on the go license plate cl") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /da | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | ta/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 798. | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | ... er, my bad | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/mf6b1fa8 | 02:22 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 02:23 |
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| chupacabra | anybody seen tamar | 02:52 |
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| chupacabra | i miss her cute ass shaking defiantly. | 02:53 |
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| chupacabra | oops wrong channel.. sory. | 02:55 |
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| conexcol | hi | 03:01 |
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| @preaction | hi | 03:01 |
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| conexcol | good to see people here | 03:02 |
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| conexcol | I want to start developing things for webgui | 03:02 |
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| @preaction | that's great! we're here to help | 03:02 |
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| conexcol | I'm trying to start a project to build a directory with search capabilities | 03:02 |
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| conexcol | I'd like to have some recomendations on how to approach this... is an asset, a set of macros, etc. | 03:03 |
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| conexcol | I'd like to have categories and subcategories, user submitions, keywords search, etc | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | a directory for what kind of data? | 03:04 |
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| conexcol | websites | 03:04 |
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| conexcol | like yahoo :p | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | you could probably put the whole system together using the Collaboration System if you wanted | 03:05 |
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| conexcol | mmm.. interesting... | 03:05 |
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| @preaction | but probably your best bet would be to make a set of custom assets | 03:05 |
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| conexcol | how's that? | 03:05 |
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| @preaction | assets because they are indexed into the WebGUI Search asset (so your searching would come almost free) | 03:06 |
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| @preaction | also because assets are arranged in a tree, so that comes free too | 03:06 |
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| conexcol | how fast is the search engine? | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | if you have a top-level asset type for the "Directory" one asset type for a "Category" and one asset type for a "Directory Entry", you should be able to quickly do it | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | i have never seen it take very long | 03:07 |
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| conexcol | jmm. let me digest this... | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | alternatively, you can design your database first and then build a single asset to navigate, another asset to search | 03:08 |
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| @preaction | another asset to manage entries in your custom database, etc... | 03:08 |
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| conexcol | I see... | 03:08 |
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| conexcol | Actually, I already have the database | 03:08 |
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| conexcol | I guess another asseit for user submision... | 03:09 |
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| @preaction | so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data | 03:09 |
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| @preaction | you could also write it as a WebGUI::Content handler instead, which is a lower-level API that stays out of your way | 03:10 |
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| @preaction | i wouldn't suggest it unless you had a very good reason | 03:10 |
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| @preaction | my opinion is that the different assets to view, search, and edit entries would be the best way | 03:10 |
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| conexcol | I'll have to go for about 15 mins.. this is getting quite interesting.. please baer with me.. I'll be back shortly | 03:11 |
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| @preaction | unfortunately i have to go as well, but there are plenty of people who can help, and I'm here most of the time | 03:11 |
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| conexcol | ok, thanks a lot | 03:12 |
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| conexcol | I really want to start developing tonight | 03:12 |
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| @preaction | the WebGUI Developer's Guide from Plain Black has a wealth of getting-started information and tutorials on how to accomplish various tasks | 03:12 |
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| @preaction | the wiki has a guide on "how to create an asset" | 03:12 |
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| @preaction | there is a code skeleton in lib/WebGUI/Asset/_NewAsset.skeleton and lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_NewWobject.skeleton (a Wobject is what you'll want probably, it's basically a higher-level asset) | 03:13 |
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| @preaction | the wiki is http://wiki.webgui.org | 03:13 |
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| conexcol | I'm back | 03:31 |
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| conexcol | preaction: if you're still here, when you said "so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data", where exactly should I do this? | 04:03 |
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| conexcol | what's the difference between Asset and Wobject? | 04:06 |
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| chupacabra | installing LWP failed. | 06:05 |
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| chupacabra | oops | 06:06 |
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| chupacabra | Fedora 10 | 06:06 |
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| chupacabra | running testEnviornment.pl | 06:06 |
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| chupacabra | sounds important. i know it is for some irc bots ive had. | 06:08 |
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| chupacabra | mmm installed LWP with yum and all seems well | 06:15 |
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| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat | 06:38 |
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| conexcol | does anyboday know how the Bazaar is made with (wich Asset)? | 06:39 |
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| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:40 |
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| daviddelikat | nope | 06:41 |
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| daviddelikat | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:44 |
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| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:44 |
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| wgGuest88 | nope | 06:44 |
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| daviddelikat | sorry for all the junk, I'm done goofing around now... | 06:45 |
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| chupacabra | lots of perl modules | 06:58 |
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| conexcol | does anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)? | 08:32 |
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| chupacabra | how important is Aopache2::Request mine wont install it. | 17:11 |
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| bpmedley | what problems are you having? | 17:50 |
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| bpmedley | you may need to download and pass arguments to the Makfile.PL script | 17:50 |
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| chupacabra | ahh. | 19:55 |
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| chupacabra | I'm busy now. will check back in after work. thanks though. | 19:55 |
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| @preaction | chupacabra: if you're having trouble with manually installing stuff, perhaps the WRE would be a good idea | 20:59 |
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| conexcol | does anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)? | 21:49 |
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| @preaction | conexcol: it's a custom asset called Bazaar, available in svn at https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/experimental/Bazaar | 21:52 |
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| chupacabra | 3C3C3C^^^ | 06:23 |
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| +BartJol | yo, I've got a upgrade question for sites with custom assets | 15:16 |
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| +BartJol | we mostly put the assets in a custom dir | 15:16 |
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| +BartJol | but the upgrade script doesn't seem to regonise the path and thus can't call the getId method on the asset | 15:16 |
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| +BartJol | this breaks the upgrade, which can be quite annoying | 15:17 |
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| +BartJol | we tried a perl -I with the path after it, but that also didn't work | 15:17 |
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| +BartJol | Am I missing something? otherwise I'm gonna submit a RFE for it | 15:18 |
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| +BartJol | someone got some ideas on this? | 15:24 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: you know whether I'm doing something stupid? | 15:26 |
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| +BartJol | ah the master of development | 15:29 |
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| +BartJol | khenn: you know whether I'm missing something simple when upgrading a site with custom plugins? | 15:30 |
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| +BartJol | it seems to skip preload.custom | 15:30 |
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| @khenn | it's likely a bug in the upgrade script | 15:30 |
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| +BartJol | oh | 15:31 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 15:31 |
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| @khenn | what are you trying to do? | 15:32 |
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| @khenn | not sure why the upgrade script needs to know about your custom modules | 15:32 |
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| +BartJol | upgrading from 7.5.38 to latest | 15:32 |
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| @khenn | it's breaking? | 15:32 |
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| +BartJol | yeah | 15:32 |
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| @khenn | perhaps Haarg would know better | 15:33 |
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| +BartJol | I fixed it already by putting it in the normal lib dir | 15:33 |
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| +BartJol | but that is not the preferable solution | 15:33 |
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| +BartJol | well I posted a bug | 15:57 |
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| wgGuest47 | anyone know how to move pages up or down in navigation from the home page? | 17:08 |
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| +BartJol | you can change the rank in the assetmanager | 17:08 |
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| wgGuest47 | thanks | 17:10 |
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| +BartJol | my pleasure | 17:10 |
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| @Haarg | BartJol, i plan to have upgrade.pl use preload.custom, but it doesn't at this point. it's simple enough to use perl -I or PERL5LIB= once you know, but it should be automatic. | 17:51 |
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| +BartJol | Haarg: ah, thanks | 17:54 |
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| +BartJol | good to know | 17:54 |
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| brikenv | Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview. | 19:05 |
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| brikenv | Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview. | 19:31 |
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| perlmonkey21 | Is there a way to run two WebGUI directories at the same time? I didn't know if it was too big a PITA to track down all the /data/WebGUI references. | 19:32 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey21: only if you run two instances of apache at the same time. i think there are only a couple places to change /data/WebGUI to something else | 19:33 |
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| perlmonkey21 | preaction: sweet, I'll see if I can run it down. | 19:33 |
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| @Haarg | only places that will have /data/WebGUI listed should be the config files and preload.perl | 19:33 |
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| @preaction | brikenv: do you need a developer or will a power user do fine? | 19:34 |
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| brikenv | hi preaction. poweruser will be fine. just general questions | 19:34 |
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| @preaction | brikenv: the official Plain Black person to answer those types of questions would be tavis@plainblack.com | 19:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | he's a power user | 19:36 |
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| perlmonkey21 | preaction: sweet, thanks a bil | 19:36 |
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| @preaction | he's borderline developer, something i always seem to forget | 19:36 |
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| perlmonkey21 | Haarg: err, I meant you | 19:36 |
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| @preaction | tavisto is MS-certified sysadmin, netadmin and other wonderfully geeky things (in addition to being easy on the eyes) | 19:37 |
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| brikenv | well. i'm german. will be easier for me to ask in the chat then do it in writting | 19:37 |
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| @preaction | i'm not savvy on how his schedule works, but he may be able to do even better (skype or something) | 19:38 |
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| brikenv | i just want to know if a couple of features are existing or not, as i couldn't find the informations on the website | 19:38 |
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| @tavisto | hi brikenv, I'd be happy to answer your questions | 19:38 |
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| brikenv | hi tavisto. thats great thank you | 19:39 |
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| brikenv | private room? | 19:39 |
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| @tavisto | sure go ahead and private me | 19:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, if we learn that you're bad mouthing WebGUI in private, it shall not go well with you... | 19:40 |
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| * perlDreamer ends his threat with an ominous elipsis | 19:40 |
| @preaction | he can't badmouth it, he had a major hand in shaping it | 19:40 |
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| @tavisto | hah, the marketing guy bad mouthing the product... that's a good one | 19:40 |
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| @preaction | dot. dot dot.... | 19:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | dot dot dot ... dot dot dot | 19:44 |
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| @preaction | dash dot dash? | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | S.O.S. in dots only | 19:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Morse code really uses 3 symbols, and they can be very arbitrary | 19:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | The module Acme::Bleach is built the same way | 20:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | it reencodes your code using all legal whitespace characters | 20:08 |
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| bernd_ | Hey everyone! Greetings from Bayreuth... | 20:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Where is Bayreuth? | 20:48 |
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| bernd_ | Northern Bavaria | 20:48 |
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| bernd_ | You know Richard Wagner? | 20:48 |
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| bernd_ | Bayreuth is were the annual Richard Wagner Festspiele take place. | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | is that why you're there? | 20:55 |
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| bernd_ | No, I am on a business trip. | 20:56 |
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| bernd_ | I do not even know Wagner. I just heard that the city is famous for staging of his works. | 20:57 |
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| +BartJol | business trip, yeeeeah | 20:57 |
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| bernd_ | Boring :-( | 20:58 |
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| bernd_ | I hate business trips... | 20:58 |
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| +BartJol | go to the wuc, that's not boring | 20:58 |
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| bernd_ | ... as long as I am on my own. | 20:58 |
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| bernd_ | I bet. | 20:58 |
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| bernd_ | But I have not collected enough karma yet :-) | 20:58 |
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| +BartJol | allthough, you shouldn't have to travel that far to meet so many dutchies | 20:59 |
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| +BartJol | you don't need karma | 20:59 |
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| bernd_ | What about you coming to one of our drinks in Heidelberg? | 20:59 |
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| +BartJol | maybe later this year | 21:00 |
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| +BartJol | I have to buy a house | 21:00 |
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| +BartJol | it will cost me most of my days off | 21:00 |
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| bernd_ | I thought you have bought a house? | 21:00 |
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| +BartJol | it's a slow process | 21:00 |
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| bernd_ | I need the karma to pay for it! | 21:00 |
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| bernd_ | Or do you want to be forced to listen to one of my talks? | 21:00 |
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| +BartJol | I'm willing to donate some karma | 21:01 |
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| bernd_ | I can tell you they are veeeery boring. | 21:01 |
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| +BartJol | I wouldn't mind I think | 21:01 |
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| bernd_ | Well, I would need some 50 000 karma points then. | 21:01 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I don't have that | 21:01 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer is probably the only one who could pay for the conference with karma, | 21:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Nope, I'm several thousand short | 21:02 |
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| * perlDreamer is currently bashing his head on JS | 21:03 |
| bernd_ | Is it Javascript or did you forget the T? | 21:03 |
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| +BartJol | several 1000's that's mearly weeks for you | 21:03 |
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| bernd_ | Yeah, would be really cool if someone paid with karma. | 21:04 |
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| +BartJol | but I suspect perlDreamer is presenting anyway | 21:04 |
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| bernd_ | Most likely. Maybe something about JS? | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I sure hope not | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | Javascript is starting to look like spaghetti mixed with tapeworms | 21:06 |
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| bernd_ | tapeworm? | 21:07 |
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| bernd_ | s | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | human intestinal parasite | 21:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapeworm | 21:10 |
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| bernd_ | Ah, Bandwürmer! | 21:10 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, I am having problems with the translation server. | 21:12 |
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| bernd_ | Character encoding/decoding does not work. | 21:13 |
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| +BartJol | oh, yeah, thanks for the wiki entry, I got it installed | 21:13 |
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| bernd_ | If I do not use the rich editor, | 21:13 |
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| bernd_ | umlauts get strange encondings like "\374", which are not recognized by the browser. | 21:13 |
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| bernd_ | Anyone else knowing about the translation server and character encodings? | 21:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Klaus filed a bug about character encodings, but they worked fine in the browser. | 21:25 |
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| bernd_ | I am not sure if that is related. | 21:26 |
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| bernd_ | What I don't understand is why characters are converted at all. | 21:27 |
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| bernd_ | If the default encoding is utf8 there should not be any conversion required? | 21:27 |
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| @Haarg | default encoding of what? | 21:27 |
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| bernd_ | I think the browser is using utf-8. | 21:28 |
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| bernd_ | So why decode in www_editItemSave? | 21:28 |
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| bernd_ | Isn't the text area delivering utf-8 as well? | 21:28 |
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| bernd_ | I assume decode_utf8 converts from utf-8 to unicode wide characters. Is that correct? | 21:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | we decode from utf8 into perl's native string representation | 21:30 |
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| bernd_ | But why? | 21:30 |
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| bernd_ | The browser wants utf-8 in the end. | 21:31 |
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| bernd_ | Is it re-converted to utf-8 at one point? | 21:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I believe it is reconverted to utf8 when written out to the translation files | 21:31 |
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| bernd_ | Just checked: the browser encoding is utf-8 when using the translation server. | 21:31 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, do you mean upon commit? | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, after saving | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | when committing, it writes to SVN | 21:32 |
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| bernd_ | That is not the case. | 21:32 |
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| bernd_ | I can find those perl wide characters in the translation files. | 21:32 |
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| bernd_ | Want an example? | 21:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | That is what Klaus's bug is about | 21:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | Data::Dumper, which is used to serialize the data to the file, will alternately handle the encodings in different ways | 21:33 |
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| bernd_ | Hm, nothing we can do about it? | 21:33 |
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| bernd_ | I cannot continue with the translation at the moment. | 21:33 |
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| bernd_ | I would have to re-check all phrases with umlauts. | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is this on i18n.webgui.org, or a locally installed copy? | 21:34 |
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| bernd_ | It is the local copy. | 21:35 |
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| topsub | are "admins" the only ones who can look at the asset manager tree? | 21:35 |
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| bernd_ | I have not experienced on i18n.webgui.org yet. | 21:35 |
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| topsub | the only group that is | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub, I don't believe so. | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Content/AssetManager.pm | 21:35 |
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| topsub | I am getting lil confused as to how to set this up. Trying to keep clients from being able to control everything | 21:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd_: then I think you should double check i18n.webgui.org | 21:36 |
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| bernd_ | But how? | 21:36 |
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| bernd_ | I have been using i18n.webgui.org frequently. | 21:36 |
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| bernd_ | So far no problems. | 21:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd_: then the problem must be local to your machine. That's a small comfort. | 21:37 |
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| bernd_ | Not sure, since I have found corrupted characters in translations that others have done. | 21:37 |
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| bernd_ | The bug is probably there. | 21:37 |
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| bernd_ | I am just not sure what causes it. | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub: in 7.6, with the new config file, you can easily specify which groups can access parts of the admin console | 21:38 |
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| topsub | thats nice! | 21:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | but that just hides it in the UI | 21:39 |
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| bernd_ | Just checked permissions under settings. But it seems that the config file is the only way to hide the asset manager. | 21:39 |
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| @Haarg | so when the character encoding bug you are talking about occurs, what is the result of it? | 21:40 |
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| @Haarg | as for why we decode and encode | 21:41 |
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| bernd_ | Instead of "ü" I get "\374". | 21:41 |
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| @Haarg | where? | 21:41 |
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| bernd_ | The latter is probably the perl encoding? | 21:41 |
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| @Haarg | and why does that matter? | 21:41 |
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| topsub | so if they have the url then they could see it? | 21:41 |
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| bernd_ | In translation modules such as Account_User.pm | 21:41 |
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| @Haarg | we need to have all the strings in the same format so they can be combined together | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, it matters because those characters appear as strange characters in my browser. | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | It seems that re-conversion is missing. | 21:42 |
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| @Haarg | on the translation server or when using them in webgui? | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | When using them in webgui. | 21:42 |
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| @Haarg | version? | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | 7.5.40 | 21:42 |
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| bernd_ | Actually, not true. | 21:43 |
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| bernd_ | I have tested with a recent beta version. | 21:43 |
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| @Haarg | the strings coming out of the i18n modules should be in perl's internal encoding | 21:43 |
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| bernd_ | Has that always been the case? | 21:43 |
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| bernd_ | Using the rich editor causes HTML entities! | 21:43 |
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| @Haarg | where the data coming from/to the browser is utf8 | 21:43 |
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| bernd_ | In translation files that is. | 21:44 |
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| @Haarg | in 7.4 and previous, we weren't handing encodings properly | 21:44 |
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| @Haarg | we just dealt with everything as bytes | 21:45 |
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| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:45 |
| @Haarg | which led to a number of problems when storing them in the database or doing processing on them | 21:45 |
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| bernd_ | No more than 4 minutes per km, perlDreamer! | 21:45 |
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| bernd_ | But 7.4 is far in the past. | 21:45 |
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| bernd_ | Why does the problem occur now? | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I try to average 10 minutes/mile | 21:46 |
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| bernd_ | That is even more. | 21:46 |
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| @preaction | about the same | 21:46 |
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| bernd_ | You *must* get faster. | 21:47 |
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| @preaction | perlbot math 2.2 * 4 | 21:47 |
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| perlbot | 8.8 | 21:47 |
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| bernd_ | Otherwise it is no longer running ;-) | 21:47 |
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| @preaction | oh, that's slower! | 21:47 |
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| bernd_ | Isn't a mile 1.6 km? | 21:47 |
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| +BartJol | or 1.852 km of your talking nautical miles | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | 2.2 i always thought | 21:48 |
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| +BartJol | preaction: nope | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | oh, i'm wrong | 21:48 |
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| +BartJol | treasure this sparse moment in time preaction | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | mmmm... | 21:49 |
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| bernd_ | Nicely said! | 21:49 |
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| bernd_ | preaction, I am glad you are not working for NASA. | 21:50 |
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| bernd_ | Ooops, forgot the smiley :-) | 21:50 |
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| +BartJol | rizen never has that, even when he's wrong, he's right | 21:50 |
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| bernd_ | That is probably by definition. | 21:50 |
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| +BartJol | indeed | 21:50 |
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| @preaction | bernd_: i was only off by a factor of 0.6, well within NASA's standards (they are, after all, a government agency) | 21:51 |
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| bernd_ | And that is probably the reason they lost pathfinder. | 21:51 |
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| bernd_ | Or was it some other satellite? | 21:51 |
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| * perlDreamer goes slowly shambling | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret will be distressed | 21:52 |
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| @preaction | they lost a mars rover or two | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | just 1 | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | the UK lost one, too | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | named Beagle | 21:52 |
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| bernd_ | No wonder, they use the same unit system. | 21:52 |
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| @preaction | that being said, i'm sure it's much like airlines: you only hear about the disasters | 21:53 |
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| @preaction | but comparing a space shuttle to an airplane is like comparing an amoeba to a human | 21:53 |
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| @preaction | er.. a human to an amoeba | 21:53 |
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| bernd_ | Not sure if old NASA shuttles are rather the amoeba. | 21:54 |
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| +BartJol | strange, airplanes have more people in it | 21:54 |
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| @preaction | fewer moving parts though | 21:55 |
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| @preaction | you could build an airplane with no electronics, good luck building a space-capable vehicle with no electonics | 21:55 |
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| +BartJol | the russians hardly fail, but they put it in the extinguish pot | 21:55 |
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| @preaction | that can safely ferry a human being during its entire trip, i should add | 21:55 |
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| bernd_ | You can build a rocket with pure chemistry! | 21:56 |
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| +BartJol | that will go up yeah..., I'd harldy feel safe haveing to get back again | 21:58 |
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| @Haarg | bernd_, as far as i can tell having \374, \x{fc}, or ü in the .pm files should work the same | 22:10 |
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| bernd_ | Hm, let me check again and create a screenshot. | 22:11 |
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| bernd_ | Maybe it's not the translation server but a problem in the beta I was using. | 22:11 |
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| @Haarg | well, there does seem to be a problem with how something is getting handled by the translation server, it just doesn't seem to be something that would lead to problems when used in webgui | 22:13 |
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| bernd_ | Still I have seen those corrupted characters. | 22:14 |
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| +BartJol | it also happened with the spanish translation I remember | 22:15 |
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| +BartJol | but that's a while ago | 22:15 |
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| bernd_ | Haar, the problem still persists even after updating to head. | 22:25 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg | 22:25 |
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| bernd_ | I have the screenshot ready. | 22:26 |
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| bernd_ | How can I send it to you? | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | sure | 22:26 |
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| bernd_ | But how? | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | email will work | 22:26 |
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| bernd_ | Is it possible via irc? | 22:26 |
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| @Haarg | graham@plainblack.com | 22:27 |
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| bernd_ | Thanks :-) | 22:27 |
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| bernd_ | I was just about to look it up. | 22:27 |
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| @Haarg | also, do you have the i18n modules available somewhere? | 22:27 |
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| bernd_ | Yep. One moment... | 22:27 |
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| bernd_ | The corresponding module is here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m14939fb0 | 22:29 |
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| @Haarg | that was created with translationserver.cgi ? | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | And here is the page source: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d587cdf7c | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, yes! | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | But a local installation. | 22:30 |
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| @Haarg | modified any? | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | According to perlDreamers instructions. | 22:30 |
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| bernd_ | No. Just the header lines. | 22:30 |
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| @Haarg | hrm | 22:30 |
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| @Haarg | that seems odd | 22:31 |
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| @Haarg | just a sec | 22:31 |
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| bernd_ | Is there a problem with encodings? | 22:31 |
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| bernd_ | Or is there a problem with webgui? | 22:31 |
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| @Haarg | it has double quotes | 22:32 |
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| @Haarg | data::dumper uses single quotes by default | 22:32 |
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| bernd_ | Interesting. | 22:32 |
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| @Haarg | which leads me to think you are using a different version of translationserver.cgi or a different version of data::dumper | 22:32 |
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| bernd_ | Let me see if that is true for other modules as well. | 22:32 |
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| @Haarg | try this: | 22:33 |
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| @Haarg | perl -mData::Dumper -e'print Data::Dumper->VERSION, "\n"' | 22:33 |
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| bernd_ | 2.121_08 | 22:34 |
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| bernd_ | Older files seem to have the single quotes. | 22:35 |
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| bernd_ | Only the new ones I created appear to be affected. | 22:35 |
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| bernd_ | Is the version number correct? | 22:35 |
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| @Haarg | just a sec | 22:36 |
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| bernd_ | The WRE I am using is 0.8.5 | 22:36 |
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| @Haarg | bleh | 22:37 |
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| @Haarg | i guess it is using double quotes now | 22:37 |
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| @Haarg | my bad | 22:37 |
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| bernd_ | But what about encodings? | 22:38 |
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| bernd_ | Are the correct ones being used? | 22:38 |
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| bernd_ | Sorry for asking, but I know nothing about character encodings. | 22:38 |
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| bernd_ | I just noticed, that those question mark in diamond characters got replaced in the pastebin. | 22:40 |
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| @Haarg | well, it's using \374 | 22:40 |
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| bernd_ | Which is the perl encoding? | 22:40 |
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| @Haarg | essentially yes | 22:40 |
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| bernd_ | And therefore correct? | 22:40 |
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| @Haarg | that should be correct as far as i can tell | 22:41 |
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| bernd_ | So the conversion to utf-8 is no longer working? | 22:41 |
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| bernd_ | Uh, I found something. | 22:42 |
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| bernd_ | It is all converted to ISO-8859-1 | 22:42 |
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| @Haarg | how so? | 22:42 |
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| bernd_ | Changing the encoding manually in the browser solves the problem. | 22:43 |
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| bernd_ | But why is that? | 22:43 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, do you want another screenshot? | 22:43 |
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| @Haarg | no | 22:47 |
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| bernd_ | Anything else I can do? | 22:47 |
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| bernd_ | Want the svn revision I am using= | 22:48 |
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| bernd_ | ? | 22:48 |
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| bernd_ | It is 9389 directly checked out from the repository, | 22:48 |
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| bernd_ | running inside WRE 0.8.5 | 22:49 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, still working on this? | 22:54 |
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| bernd_ | If not, I am going to bed now. | 22:54 |
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| @Haarg | i'm thinking about it - i don't need any more information from you | 22:55 |
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| bernd_ | Good. Are you going to take care of the bug report? | 22:55 |
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| @Haarg | there's already the bug on the list for this | 22:56 |
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| bernd_ | Alright.# | 22:56 |
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| bernd_ | Good night then! | 22:56 |
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| @Haarg | well, i may have found a solution | 23:05 |
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| @Haarg | i'm thinking the problem is due to utf8 vs UTF-8 | 23:05 |
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| @Haarg | telling Data::Dumper to use the perl code instead of XS makes it work properly - it outputs byte sequences to the file | 23:06 |
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| * deafferret is distressed | 23:06 |
| @preaction | that is the craziest thing i've heard | 23:07 |
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| @Haarg | \374 is an octal version of \x{fc} basically | 23:08 |
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| * deafferret is also dysentarious | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | the unicode code point for that character is U+00FC | 23:08 |
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| @Haarg | but the proper way to encode that as utf8 is \x{c3}\x{bb} | 23:09 |
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| @Haarg | since the code point fits in a single byte though, perl encodes it internally as a single byte sometimes | 23:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, that sounds like a beautiful solution | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | speed isn't necessary for that CGI in any case | 23:42 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 23:42 |
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| @Haarg | should just be a matter of changing Useqq to Useperl | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you want me to make that change and recommit, Haarg? | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | sure | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | it's basically working around a Data::Dumper bug | 23:48 |
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| @preaction | UPSTREAM! | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | we don't have a real fix though | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | and there is already a bug report for this | 23:49 |
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| @preaction | ... those slow jerks | 23:50 |
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| @Haarg | was reported 1.5 years ago | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | that like a million years in Internet time | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate developers that don't fix bugs fast! | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I mean, just who do those guys think they are, with their fancy, shmancy SVN access and all? | 23:51 |
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| * preaction doesn't look at the oldest bug on the webgui list | 23:51 |
| * perlDreamer repents in sackcloth and ashes | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | svn rev 9390, Haarg | 23:52 |
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| @Haarg | cool, thanks | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, you haven't found out why $self->{_env} is not %ENV yet, have you? | 23:53 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: no cluesies | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | that bug scares me | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | heh, you and me both man... | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | although, it would explain several other random issues, like kristi's spectre bug | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | where all of a sudden spectre decided that her IP address had changed | 23:55 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, is that an intermittent problem or is it always happening? | 23:57 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: it was always happening | 23:58 |
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| perlmonkey21 | in 7.6.10 does the assetManager show assets for everyone else? | 23:58 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey21: it does for me, but only after spectre was done committing assets | 23:58 |
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| perlmonkey21 | preaction: ah, so that's my problem on this new site. After wreconsole created the site and I started it up, the logs showed that www.site.com.conf had some malformed json and spectre chokes. Which is why I couldn't see the assets. | 23:59 |
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| @preaction | i'll be here all week, try the veal! | 00:00 |
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| @preaction | if i were to add a "Global Head Tags" entry in the settings, would it go under "User Interface" or "Content"? | 00:00 |
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| @preaction | i would think UI would be more appropriate, since it has style templates inside it already | 00:00 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, does the Env macro not work for you? | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: for my global head tags thing? | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | my other thing isn't using the Env macro, it's in code | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | trying to do a setRedirect | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | the global head tags thing is convenience for designers and admins, instead of having to add head tags to every single style template on the site (and then change them on every single style template on the site) | 00:02 |
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| @Haarg | i can't duplicate your issue with session->env vs ENV | 00:05 |
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| @preaction | damnit | 00:05 |
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| @preaction | even inside a WebGUI::Account module? | 00:05 |
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| @Haarg | i put some warnings at the top of WebGUI::Account::Inbox::www_view | 00:06 |
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| @preaction | sigh... | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | i dunno then | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | i mean, feel free to close as unable to duplicate. if i get into a situation where it happens again i'll try to see what more info i can gather | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, is some custom code writing to the env object directly? | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | i doubt anyone would be that stupid, but it would be a good idea for me to check | 00:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9390 /tools/translationserver.cgi: | 00:14 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Force Data::Dumper to use the pure perl version to stop | 00:14 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: random encodings in the data. | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, when you update the translation server on i18n.webgui.org, I'll close that bug on the trackers, http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9308 | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, can I talk through a spectre bug with you? | 01:11 |
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| @Haarg | sure | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9302 | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Holler after you've read it | 01:12 |
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| @Haarg | ok | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | That error message comes from Operation/Spectre/spectreTest, which runs a bunch of tests | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | the first thing it does it check to see if there are any subnet issues | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | it uses $session->env->getIp | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's the user's IP address | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the Spectre connection is made by the _server_, which means that the check will always fail | 01:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | unless you're on the server when making the request, or in a valid subnet | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | most of the time, this code is never called, since the subroutine is only invoked when Workflow::Instance tries to hand off a workflow to Spectre, when it runs too long | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Did all that make sense to you? | 01:16 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, give me a sec | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, that's about 30 minutes of research condensed down to 4 minutes | 01:17 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9391 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (2 files): Added styles for taking a survey | 01:18 |
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| @Haarg | ok | 01:25 |
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| @Haarg | so were you thinking of a specific fix? | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | from the apache request object, pull the connection object, then use the ->local_ip method to get the server's IP address | 01:27 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 01:28 |
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| @Haarg | i have a different thought | 01:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:28 |
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| @Haarg | seems like spectreTest should be treated like an api method and not do that checking at all | 01:29 |
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| @Haarg | move the tests into the www_ method | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | the goal of spectreTest, iirc, is to tell the user whenever the server can't talk to spectre and try to tell them why | 01:29 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:30 |
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| @Haarg | but 'the user' was initially only spectre | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | yess | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Because before we had all realtime workflows, if the user hit commit, and couldn't talk to spectre, it really mucked up their site and wouldn't tell them why | 01:31 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, but there was never any feedback on that | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | right, and now there is. | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think we should change that | 01:32 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, but the user feedback part they just reused part of the api | 01:32 |
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| @Haarg | that wasn't designed for that usage | 01:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's true | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | is there any way to compromise? | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | can we make spectreTest aware of how/who is calling it? | 01:34 |
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| @Haarg | well, that check is meaningless outside the www_spectreTest method imo | 01:34 |
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| @Haarg | the macro looks busted as well | 01:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be equally busted, since env->getIp would be the user's IP | 01:35 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:35 |
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| @Haarg | and the feedback it gives is just wrong in that case | 01:35 |
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| @Haarg | in order to get the information it is looking for | 01:36 |
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| @Haarg | it would need to tell spectre to request something from webgue | 01:36 |
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| @Haarg | *webgui | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 01:37 |
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| @Haarg | then have spectre hand the result of that back through the ikc connection | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | which it won't do if the subnet connection is wrong? | 01:38 |
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| @Haarg | well, if we can't connect to spectre with ikc | 01:38 |
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| @Haarg | then it is down or misconfigured | 01:39 |
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| @Haarg | if we can connect, but it can't connect back to webgui via http | 01:39 |
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| @Haarg | then the subnet setting is wrong | 01:39 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know enough about poe to be able to do that though | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | it already does something like that | 01:40 |
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| @Haarg | the spectreTest thing you mean? | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:40 |
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| @Haarg | or somewhere else? | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | see line 201 of Operation/Spectre | 01:41 |
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| @Haarg | it connects to spectre | 01:41 |
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| @Haarg | that's easy though | 01:41 |
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| @Haarg | the hard part is that spectre then has to make a web request, and return something to webgui based on that web request | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | what if it called runTests? | 01:42 |
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| @Haarg | spectreTest as it is is correct for its past usage - spectre making sure it could connect | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | from Spectre/Admin/runTests | 01:42 |
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| @Haarg | i don't think that would work well | 01:43 |
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| @Haarg | it would stop spectre while it did anything | 01:43 |
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| @Haarg | the correct way would probably be to use the POE HTTP stuff | 01:44 |
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| @Haarg | and i don't know how to get that working with the sending a response | 01:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | isn't that what spectre ping is doing | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | and there are other methods that fetch data from WebGUI inside of Spectre. to get the site data, for example | 01:49 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:50 |
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| @Haarg | but again, that's using LWP | 01:50 |
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| @Haarg | it would need to use the POE stuff instead | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | so that it doesn't block Spectre from doing its regular thing | 01:50 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I definitely see your point then. | 01:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | but isn't www_spectreTest exposed in the UI someplace? | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm thinking of spectreStatus | 01:52 |
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| @Haarg | afaik spectreTest is only used by spectre itself | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're right | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll pull the subnet check out of spectreTest, and drop it into www_spectreTest | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | then all should be well | 01:53 |
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| @Haarg | well, better at least | 01:53 |
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| @Haarg | the macro will still be trying to report an error we have no way of detecting currently | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | but once that test is pulled out of Operation::Spectre::spectreTest, it will never return that error code | 01:54 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:55 |
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| @Haarg | which is better than what currently happens | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | definitely | 01:55 |
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| @Haarg | but still not quite right | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you think that the POE code would get executed quickly enough for the original HTTP request from the user not to timeout? | 01:56 |
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| @Haarg | probably | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | Looks like POE::Component::Client::HTTP has an interface that looks like LWP | 01:59 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 02:00 |
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| @Haarg | the interface is fine | 02:00 |
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| @Haarg | it's the async nature of the thing that i would have to read a bunch about to figure out | 02:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | then, even if we fix the immediate problem of using the wrong IP, we shouldn't close the bug until it all works | 02:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | or, we should close that bug, and open another as a placeholder so that it gets fixed at some point | 02:06 |
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| @Haarg | i think a new bug | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll do that then, and let you get back to work. | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, I lied about letting you get back to work. | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Just to round up the WikiPage talk from last week, where user's could add/paste them in the wrong place. | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | I fixed the add hole, too. | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | Although, in the default UI, there's no button/link to add a WikiPage just any old place | 02:17 |
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| @Haarg | the thing i was thinging about though, is when would the rules for restricting paste ever be different from those restricting add? | 02:19 |
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| @Haarg | *thinking | 02:20 |
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| @Haarg | seems like there shouldn't need to be a canPaste method, because canAdd should already give you that information | 02:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did look at it, but decided that since it did a group check it was too stringent | 02:23 |
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| @Haarg | also, if i didn't mention it, WGDev should be in pretty good shape now - commands are documented and the interfaces should be pretty stable | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll add it to my TODO list for the week. | 02:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | It would be nice to have the templateFile folded into there | 02:26 |
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| @Haarg | if you can take a look at it (usage/code/docs/other) i'd appreciate it | 02:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | You bet. | 02:26 |
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| @Haarg | i have something along those lines in progress i think | 02:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9392 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/MatrixCompare.pm): fixed #9635: Matrix - Add attributes not working | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm: Prevent WikiPages from being manually added to places where they shouldn't. | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9394 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm): | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix the bad subnet checking in spectreTest. Subnet checks should only happen | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: in www_spectreTest, until a way is found to round trip data in and out of spectre | 02:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: back to WebGUI. Documented how and where that should occur. | 02:27 |
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| @Haarg | it currently has a command for editting assets with an arbitrary command | 02:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | through the API, or the DB? | 02:27 |
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| @Haarg | well, it exports the asset to a file inspired by the past template upgrade format | 02:28 |
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| @Haarg | then runs a command against it, and reimports it when complete | 02:28 |
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| @Haarg | i have some in progress code for exporting to a directory tree and detecting changes for import/packaging | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, like a filter. That's perfect. If those are separable easily, then input, output and package are easy | 02:29 |
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| @Haarg | there's api methods for serializing/deserializing assets | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | back to WikiPage, canAdd will also look at the config file for the addPrivsGroup for adding. If we use canAdd, they would be able to paste as well. Which is different from how it works now. | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | But I don't know if that's bad. | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | just different | 02:30 |
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| @Haarg | maybe they need to be two separate checks, but one as a permission check | 02:31 |
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| @Haarg | and the other as a system integrity check | 02:31 |
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| @Haarg | canAdd would use both | 02:31 |
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| @Haarg | pasting would only do the second | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | so we'd still need canPaste then | 02:31 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I could add a ->validParent method. Is that descriptive enough? | 02:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | paste would basically wrap that | 02:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | and canAdd would call it in addition to Asset's canAdd | 02:32 |
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| @Haarg | i think that sounds ok | 02:32 |
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| @Haarg | you mean ::Asset's canAdd would also call that? | 02:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, WikiPage's canAdd would | 02:34 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 02:34 |
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| @Haarg | i was thinking it would be a general method | 02:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Post and Thread would use it | 02:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | BazaarItem | 02:35 |
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| @Haarg | can calendar | 02:35 |
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| @Haarg | *and | 02:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | for Events | 02:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 02:35 |
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| @Haarg | gallery | 02:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, we'll do it that way. | 02:36 |
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| @Haarg | sounds good to me | 02:36 |
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| @Haarg | i'm heading home - i'll be on later | 02:36 |
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| elnino | helooO! | 03:52 |
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| elnino | I have a folder asset with a lot of photos in it. And "all of a sudden" (I can't confirm this) our users are getting the following error: "stop running this script? a script on this page is causing interent explorer to run slowly if it continues to run, your computer my become unresponsive." ONLY when admin is turned on... | 03:52 |
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| elnino | I looked at the source of the html, and there are no unusal scripts running. It happens to me in IE7, and was about to try in firefox. | 03:53 |
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| elnino | any idea what to look at? | 03:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9395 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Fix a few broken help entries. | 03:53 |
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| elnino | I do get the error in FF2 as well. | 03:56 |
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| elnino | I've also changed the pagelayout to "failsafe" and it still happens, so it appears to be pointing at the "admin on" | 04:01 |
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| elnino | when you do an asset proxy of an asset, I'm assuming it will be displayed using that asset's template. right? | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | yes | 04:45 |
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| elnino | good. | 04:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | "all of a sudden" | 05:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino? | 05:22 |
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| elnino | yes. unfortunately. "all of a sudden" | 05:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | no upgrades? no operating system changes? no new folders added? | 05:23 |
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| elnino | correct. | 05:23 |
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| elnino | I wonder if they just added the 256th file to the folder. | 05:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | each level will hold 999,999 assets | 05:25 |
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| elnino | there are 10 pagination pages of assets in that folder (each being 25) plus 6 on the 11th page. so according to my math that is 256 files. | 05:25 |
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| elnino | well, ok. I just thought it was interesting that there were 256. | 05:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it can be 40 levels deep | 05:25 |
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| elnino | I guess that would not be it. | 05:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | besides, you just said that there were no new folders/assets added :) | 05:25 |
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| elnino | you didn't mention "assets" =) I just know there are no new folders. | 05:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, my bad | 05:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would check all recently added assets to that folder | 05:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | via the asset history, perhaps? | 05:26 |
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| elnino | I can do that.. | 05:27 |
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| elnino | now? | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Immediately, without pause or delay? What you got better stuff to do from what I order you to do? | 05:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | :) | 05:28 |
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| elnino | I'm doing popups. | 05:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | Are those like push-ups, or more like popovers? | 05:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, I have to go make breakfast cookies, bbl | 05:28 |
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| elnino | no, it's the "gray out the background and make a popup window (but not) with an enlarged photo shown in the middle of the screen" type thing. | 05:29 |
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| elnino | but popovers sounds really good right now. | 05:29 |
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| elnino | They want me to use <div>s and I hate those. withall the absolute and relative positioning junk. | 05:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, partial commit for general purpose add/paste protection almost ready | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I even ran the test suite this time | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | which, embarrassingly, I should do more often | 05:53 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, where is the templateID stored for assets? I don't see it in the ImageAsset table, nor any of the asset* tables.. do I get it from the wobject table? | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | ImageAsset doesn't have a template? | 06:12 |
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| elnino | not according to http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema | 06:13 |
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| elnino | but I'll look directly. | 06:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Image is a subclass of File | 06:14 |
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| elnino | ah.. ok. | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | and File is where the templateId is stored | 06:14 |
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| elnino | and is there a way to make mysql not so case sensitive? drives me nuts. | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | tab should do file complete in most places in the client | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if you're writing code... | 06:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | no such luck | 06:15 |
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| elnino | I'm at the mysql prompt in linux. | 06:16 |
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| elnino | oh well. | 06:16 |
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| elnino | how are the popovers? | 06:16 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, I've been looking at the image folder. large groups of images have been modified, on following dates: 2/2, 1/29, 12/10, and specifically I looked at templateids, image parameters, extra head tags. To see if anything suspicous appears. and didn't see anything. | 06:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | no popovers, I made breakfast cookies | 06:17 |
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| elnino | what are breakfast cookies? | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're made with applesauce, oats, whole wheat flour, regular flour, some sugar, cinnamon, ground cloves, oatbran, dried cranberries and raisins | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, and two eggs and some butter | 06:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | very yummy | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | and healthy | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | just don't tell deafferret about it | 06:20 |
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| elnino | are they like homemade granola bars? | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | not really. They're a cookie for sure, but very light | 06:20 |
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| elnino | interesting. can you send me a recipe? | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Sure! | 06:21 |
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| elnino | djninow@yahoo.com | 06:21 |
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| elnino | cool. I'll have to try those. I love dried cranberries, and I have tons of oatmeal. | 06:22 |
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| elnino | thansk! | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | would you also like our top secret chocolate waffle recipe? | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's on its way. | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I want to try it with some other dried fruits, too, like apricots or pineapple | 06:29 |
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| elnino | oh.. I can't do chocolate in the morning. Sounds good though. | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | We serve them with strawberries and whipped cream | 06:29 |
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| elnino | costco has dried fruits cheap. Do you have costco or sams club where you are at? | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, Costco | 06:30 |
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| elnino | too rich. | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | no Sams Club in Oregon | 06:30 |
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| elnino | costco's blueberries are GOOD. | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, I also hear you can take two chocolate waffles, and put ice cream in the middle and make your own ice cream sandwiches | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | not that I've _ever_ done that. | 06:30 |
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| elnino | oh. THAT sounds good. | 06:30 |
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| elnino | I dont' have a waffle machine. I think the batters are different... | 06:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | they are | 06:31 |
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| elnino | that's what I thought. =( | 06:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | if we try them in pancake format and it works, I'll give you a holler | 06:31 |
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| elnino | ok! | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | is that page with the folders on it accessible to the outside world? | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm wondering if that's a windows problem, only | 06:35 |
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| elnino | well, It can be. =) | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | because it's weird that firefox and IE give the same errors | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | knowmad! | 06:35 |
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| knowmad | hey, pd! | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | how are things on the east coast? | 06:35 |
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| elnino | I also know that IE has a setting in the registray for how long to wait. I'll open it up. | 06:35 |
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| knowmad | wet and cold! | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | but we need the rain | 06:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, we do too | 06:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think we got a bunch of your snow this year | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | are you still in Seattle? | 06:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Portland | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | oh, right | 06:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Seattle is too rainy | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | yeah, i agree | 06:36 |
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| knowmad | so, i'm working on an sql report against data form (v7.5) and am wondering what to do with all the JSON encoded data... | 06:37 |
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| knowmad | i'm leaning towards using YUI to manipulate it but haven't messed with that much yet | 06:38 |
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| knowmad | anyone have suggestions? | 06:38 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9396 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Fix a leaking test. | 06:39 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9397 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Also leaking a version tag. | 06:39 |
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| elnino | not a clue | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know that you'd need to use YUI, straight JS should do the trick | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe try wrapping that field in a script tag | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | and go from there? | 06:41 |
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| knowmad | ok, i'll try straight js and see how that goes; i'll follow-up on the discussion list... | 06:42 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, but like I mentioned, it onlyoccurs with "admin on" http://www.comtrol.com/products/images/photoshot | 06:49 |
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| @tavisto | hey elnino! | 06:50 |
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| elnino | hi.... | 06:50 |
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| @tavisto | what's new? | 06:50 |
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| elnino | not much. | 06:51 |
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| elnino | I did hear back, my boss was confused, I asked about what, and that is about all that happened. =( | 06:52 |
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| @tavisto | well there's lots of stuff going on right now in my neck of the woods.. We have peeps from all over trying to learn about wG | 06:52 |
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| elnino | that's GREAT! | 06:52 |
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| @tavisto | most def | 06:52 |
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| @tavisto | ah success story.. yes.. so boss was confused about the success story? | 06:52 |
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| knowmad | hey tavisto! it looks like JT's going to have you flying all over the place as well | 06:52 |
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| elnino | apparantly. | 06:52 |
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| @tavisto | hey knowmad, yeah we're doing 3-4 major gigs again this year | 06:53 |
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| knowmad | yeah, it looks like some good venues | 06:53 |
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| @tavisto | Ad:Tech will be cool, and I'm really excited about EduComm and a Dept of Defense one.. The govie one is the one I want to hit the most | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, no problems for me, elnino | 06:53 |
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| @tavisto | how's the wG implementer biz going? | 06:54 |
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| @tavisto | well elnino, we'd appreciate it if you can wrangle your boss into a quick meeting or something... Anything to allow us to use that success story | 06:54 |
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| knowmad | we're doing fine; we have 3 new sites that have rolled out this year | 06:54 |
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| @tavisto | even if we have to change it so he/she is more comfortable | 06:54 |
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| knowmad | we ought to be sending you our Press Releases | 06:54 |
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| @tavisto | absolutely! | 06:55 |
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| knowmad | i'll put a word in to our PR firm to do that | 06:55 |
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| * perlDreamer needs to learn about press releases | 06:55 |
| @tavisto | Knowmad, I'm not sure if you've noticed or not | 06:55 |
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| @tavisto | but I added a "WebGUI in the News" page on webgui.org | 06:55 |
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| @tavisto | that's going to be a place specifically for that kind of stuff. And specific PR articles about wG | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, I didn't see any pagination, either | 06:55 |
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| knowmad | oh, no, i hadn't; that will be great | 06:55 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, I suppose I can just move them to a file folder with a passthru. just weird. | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | all assets on 1 page | 06:56 |
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| @tavisto | now that will also go into the partner success page when that program is ready | 06:56 |
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| @tavisto | I haven't heard much from the wG partners stuff in awhile | 06:56 |
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| elnino | the pagination is when in asset manager. That's how I counted them. =) | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | makes sense | 06:56 |
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| @tavisto | in terms of it being rolled out. In the meantime, I want to move all current resellers/providers to a new page called "Affiliates or Providers" | 06:56 |
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| elnino | its a default folder template of images with default iamge templates. | 06:56 |
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| @tavisto | that way, when people look at success stories, the reseller/affiliates/providers will all be listed in their own category | 06:57 |
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| @tavisto | eventually, when the partner program is official then we'll name that page partners of course. | 06:57 |
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| knowmad | we've had some discussion; everyone is so damn busy! | 06:57 |
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| elnino | I wonder if the page is getting too "Heavy", and they are only going to get bigger images in there. that's a lot of load. I think. | 06:57 |
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| knowmad | great! | 06:57 |
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| @tavisto | I know, but we need to buckle down and just do it | 06:57 |
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| @tavisto | however, one thing that is a requirement | 06:57 |
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| knowmad | what's that? | 06:58 |
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| @tavisto | is success stories. we need to have enough business success stories so that we can take out the resellers and still have several available. Success stories are the HARDEST DANG THINGS TO GET | 06:58 |
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| elnino | sorry. | 06:58 |
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| knowmad | that's why we have a PR company | 06:58 |
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| elnino | I will call him. | 06:58 |
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| @tavisto | I've invested months of my life trying to wrangle them in... We've even hired a PR company and they're hitting the same obstacles | 06:58 |
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| @tavisto | elnino, I'm not yelling at you! | 06:58 |
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| elnino | =) I know. | 06:59 |
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| knowmad | is it approval or quotes or something else? | 06:59 |
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| elnino | approval. | 06:59 |
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| @tavisto | :) I'm yelling at the 20+ groups we've been grinding on that haven't even gotten as far as the interview for us (or the PR company) to create the stinkin success story | 06:59 |
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| @tavisto | currently, PB has 4 stories waiting for approval | 06:59 |
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| @tavisto | maybe 5 actually | 06:59 |
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| knowmad | we just make it up and let them approve or correct ;) | 07:00 |
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| @tavisto | University of MN Law, Comtrol, Fund for the Public Interest (which has 80 wG sites), and a government story | 07:01 |
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| @tavisto | hah, knowmad I'm tempted to do that. | 07:01 |
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| @tavisto | I remember when I first joined PB in July 07, I figured I could wrap that up in 3 months... get like 20 of em | 07:01 |
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| knowmad | oof, that hurts to know they're still out | 07:02 |
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| @tavisto | but yeah, one of our requirements is to have success stories available in the business category and enough so that we can take out the resellers and move them to their own section. I can't do that until then | 07:02 |
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| @tavisto | knowmad, if you (or anyone else in here) has success stories with your clients, Plain Black will post yours as well. And then give credit to you in the success story of course :) | 07:02 |
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| knowmad | you've done that with the Midwest Heart story as well as us | 07:03 |
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| knowmad | we'll see what else we can get your way; the CCAC will prob be a good one | 07:03 |
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| @tavisto | The goal is to highlight that wG is being successfully deployed in a range of organizations. Thus validating the product so that they want to attend a webinar, call a sales guy, or download/evaluate the product. | 07:03 |
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| knowmad | hey, we're getting a monthly by-lined article in one of the local newspapers! | 07:03 |
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| @tavisto | sounds good. Send me whatever comes up | 07:04 |
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| knowmad | so we have to come up with material at least once a month -- the column is called "Web Solutions" | 07:04 |
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| knowmad | yeah, we'll do that | 07:04 |
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| @tavisto | excellent. Also if you have "WebGUI in the news" stuff, be sure to send it my way as well. We've been needing a section like that forever since the PB news section is good at eating old news stories (and hiding them) | 07:05 |
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| knowmad | i think that's a great idea | 07:05 |
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| @tavisto | we've got an analyst briefing on Thursday with Forrester. I'm hoping we'll make a good impression and be considered a major player in the OSS ECMS market | 07:06 |
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| knowmad | jmarsden is creating lots of potential news with the ubuntu work he's doing | 07:06 |
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| knowmad | man, that would be great! | 07:06 |
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| @tavisto | yeah I've been following the dev emails. That's great! | 07:06 |
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| jmarsden | I heard that :) | 07:06 |
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| @tavisto | jmarsden, we've got friends at Ubuntu as well. | 07:06 |
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| knowmad | good ;) | 07:06 |
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| @tavisto | In my last meeting with them, I was told that they actually had WebGUI as one of the top 5 CMS choices for running Ubuntu.com | 07:07 |
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| knowmad | i've been following your threads in stealth mode; really appreciate your work on getting wG into Ubuntu | 07:07 |
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| jmarsden | Cool; any friends who are MOTUs? If they can review my package on REVU that would really help out right now... | 07:07 |
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| knowmad | sorry, i'm not that connected with the Ubuntu devs; just an avid fan and user of the distro | 07:07 |
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| jmarsden | OK... I'll keep trying to get a couple of MOTUs interested into to do the review work. | 07:08 |
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| @tavisto | hehe... well, that's kind of what I was talking to them about. I think these guys are in the business development layer. I also have contact with Matthew Nuzum who's one of their webmasters. I'm on LinkedIn and if you want to hook up with him and chat, he's a cool dude. | 07:08 |
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| @tavisto | Maybe he'd have a good referral for you | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9398 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Prevent Event, WikiPage and Thread from being pasted places where they don't | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: belong. This allows chained method calls to "getMyParent", getParent, getWiki, getCalendar, etc. | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: to work. | 07:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Adds the new canPaste and validParent method to Asset and AssetClipboard. | 07:08 |
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| jmarsden | Sounds good to me. | 07:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | if only we could get those fedora slackers going now, we'd have half the Linux world covered | 07:09 |
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| @tavisto | having wG in Debian and Ubuntu would be excellent marketing ammunition as well | 07:09 |
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| @tavisto | yep, I still have your email that talks about there only being 12 modules that would need to be repackaged? | 07:10 |
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| knowmad | yes! although i'll still use the WRE for our hosting, it's great to have it | 07:10 |
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| jmarsden | Let me get Debian/Ubuntu done first, then I can maybe look at an RPM package... it's been a few years since I did any RPM apckaging though...! | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | the problem is that it's not just WebGUI, it's those other 12 modules | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | and their prerequisites that all need packaging, too | 07:11 |
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| jmarsden | Perl modules from CPAN? | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:11 |
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| jmarsden | OK. I think there is a helper script for packaging CPAN stuff into RPMs out there... | 07:11 |
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| @tavisto | As WebGUI os fully GPLd I assume that you are looking to | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | provide paid support services or similar ? | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | Because it is GPL'd we can provide access to Ubuntu users through the Partner | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | repo, but a pre-req for this is that there is a deb available, and that the | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | deb passes our quality and build standards. We can help with that for a | 07:13 |
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| jmarsden | RPM::Make and cpan2rpm both show up in a quick Google search... | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | charge. | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | If you had a MOTU, someone with commit rights to the Ubuntu Universe | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | repository, then this would enable you to add and maintain with no recourse | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | to Canonical :-) | 07:13 |
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| @tavisto | that was the last email I had with Malcom Yates, he manages the ISV relationships | 07:13 |
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| jmarsden | Well, I'm sort of on my way to becoming a MOTU... in a few months, I hope... :) | 07:14 |
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| @tavisto | Malcom probably won't be as much help as Matthew. But I do think he'll be someone that can help you connect with a MOTU faster than coming in off the street | 07:14 |
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| @tavisto | oooh... well that works too! | 07:14 |
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| jmarsden | I hang out in #ubuntu-motu and help out... and in #ubuntu-server... slowly getting known there by those folks... | 07:14 |
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| @tavisto | that'll be worth some karma rewards, a t-shirt, and a news release on pb.com :) | 07:14 |
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| @tavisto | what is the selection criteria? voted in? | 07:14 |
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| jmarsden | It's fairly complex, you submit a wiki page decribing the packaging you've done, then an online interview, then a vote by the council, I think it is. | 07:15 |
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| jmarsden | There are <100 MOTUs total worldwide at the moment... | 07:16 |
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| @tavisto | very cool. | 07:16 |
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| jmarsden | So getting webgui into Ubuntu will actually count towards by hoped-for MOTU-ness | 07:16 |
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| jmarsden | s/by/my/ | 07:16 |
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| @tavisto | 2 birds -- 1 stone | 07:21 |
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| @tavisto | in style. | 07:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9399 /branch/survey-rfe/root_import_survey.wgpkg: Updated & cleaned YUI includes in Default Survey Edit template | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9400 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Made first argument to SurveyJSON contructor $session for consistency | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: with rest of wg. | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Also added Params::Validate validation. | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9401 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Added param validation to all SurveyJSON.pm methods. | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9402 /branch/survey-rfe/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 10:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored ResponseJSON and SurveyJSON | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added Params::Validate to ResponseJSON.pm | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored ResponseJSON constructor and re-ordered params for | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: consistency | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added new ->session accessor | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Updates tests | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9403 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored SurveyJSON for perlcritic compliance. | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Simplified some code, refactored out some C-isms. | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9404 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Updated Survey.pm to use the new SurveyJSON contructor params | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Moved ResponseJSON data hash to private variable, for security and | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: consistency with SurveyJSON | 10:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added some more accessors/mutators, and param validation | 10:50 |
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| +BartJol | plainhao: I must say, that your day-night rhytm is quiet peculiar | 14:31 |
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| * plainhao smiles at bart. | 14:31 |
| +BartJol | but thanks for the input on my bug | 14:32 |
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| @plainhao | no problem, i'd test it out myself, but i'm currently booked on a client right now. | 14:32 |
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| * plainhao still needs to figure out how to run multiple versions of wre and wg at the same time... | 14:33 |
| +BartJol | of the wre, that might be interesting | 14:33 |
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| +BartJol | I'm just glad that I got my translation server running on a different version from my installation | 14:34 |
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| +BartJol | but different roots should do the trick for you | 14:34 |
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| @plainhao | yes, indeed | 14:34 |
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| +BartJol | hopefully there's a global root setting | 14:34 |
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| @plainhao | right-o | 14:35 |
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| * plainhao hopes to figure it out one day soon. | 14:35 |
| +BartJol | well, that is quite unnessasary for me | 14:35 |
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| +BartJol | but a nice experiment\ | 14:35 |
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| @plainhao | quite necessary for me, actually, since clients often run older versions, and i'd need to test fixes in different versions. | 14:36 |
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| +BartJol | ah | 14:36 |
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| * plainhao is surprised no one has come up with instructions already. | 14:36 |
| +BartJol | just make them upgrade | 14:36 |
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| @plainhao | hahaha | 14:36 |
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| +BartJol | that second amendment isn't for Jan with the short familyname | 14:37 |
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| +BartJol | just threaten, the US have become big by threatening, why stop now? | 14:39 |
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| ryuu_ro | @BartJol great dutchism :) | 14:39 |
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| +BartJol | thanks | 14:39 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: : do you know what specific version of WebGUI is running on the WebGUI site? | 15:47 |
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| +BartJol | latest stable | 15:47 |
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| +BartJol | beta I mean | 15:47 |
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| daviddelikat | so that would be 7.6? | 15:47 |
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| +BartJol | 7.6.10 | 15:47 |
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| daviddelikat | the absolute latest? | 15:47 |
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| ryuu_ro | you can check the page source | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | well, not nightly build | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | or page info | 15:48 |
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| ryuu_ro | <meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.6.10" /> | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | it says what I say | 15:48 |
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| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 15:48 |
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| +BartJol | and it's kinda PB's policy to run latest beta | 15:48 |
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| daviddelikat | tavisto: do you know if there is anything different about your uid on WebGUI? | 17:07 |
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| daviddelikat | i'm workign on | 17:07 |
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| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and it seems that ounly ~you~ are targetted by this unique behaviour. | 17:07 |
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| @tavisto | hmmm, well nothing is different as far as I know | 17:08 |
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| daviddelikat | are you able to see trhe pictures? | 17:09 |
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| @tavisto | I'll check and see | 17:09 |
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| chupacabra | webgui took over mysql and my other sites couldn't get to it. | 17:09 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings, all. | 17:09 |
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| @tavisto | I can see the thumbnail, but I am also redirected to a blank screen when I click on it | 17:10 |
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| daviddelikat | ok thats the same behaviour I'm getting. | 17:10 |
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| daviddelikat | do you use any odd settings in your pictures or albums? | 17:11 |
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| daviddelikat | that is anything besides default settings | 17:11 |
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| @tavisto | well I checked the album and don't see any crazy settings | 17:15 |
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| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 17:16 |
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| @tavisto | I have a feeling this was probably caused by some sort of beta bug back around the time I posted it. I can even see the larger version by clicking on slideshow | 17:16 |
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| daviddelikat | there are five pictures that you posted tho, and they all do the same thing | 17:17 |
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| daviddelikat | sorrry, four pictures | 17:17 |
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| daviddelikat | oh, I guess they were all posted the same day... | 17:18 |
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| daviddelikat | would you mind postinga picture today and see if it does the same? | 17:18 |
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| @tavisto | sure, what albums would you like me to do that in | 17:20 |
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| daviddelikat | one of the two albums you alreadyt have is fine | 17:21 |
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| daviddelikat | how can i get gallary advanced search to give me anything on a date? | 17:22 |
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| daviddelikat | does it use wildcards in the text fields? | 17:22 |
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| daviddelikat | dates do not work in album search | 17:30 |
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| daviddelikat | it says they were all created 12/31/69 | 17:30 |
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| @tavisto | hmm.. yeah, not sure about that one | 17:30 |
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| daviddelikat | hows that picture posting? | 17:32 |
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| @tavisto | hey daviddelikat, just posted a test pic under license plate club album | 18:04 |
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| @tavisto | sorry, have about a million things going on atm | 18:05 |
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| daviddelikat | no problem, thanks for your time. | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | daviddelikat, it | 18:05 |
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| daviddelikat | tag? | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | 's not a problem with things posted by tavis, it's a problem with images with keywords | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | gallery used the 'keywords' template variable previously as an arrayref | 18:06 |
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| @Haarg | without initializing it | 18:06 |
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| @Haarg | the change to asset->get to add keywords means that now is broken | 18:06 |
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| daviddelikat | so if I add a keyword to an image it should break it... | 18:07 |
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| @tavisto | *tavisto watches as Grahams words fly right over his head* | 18:08 |
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| @Haarg | correct | 18:08 |
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| @tavisto | wooooosh | 18:08 |
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| @Haarg | just having it initialize as an arrayref before using it is probably the best solution | 18:08 |
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| * daviddelikat is testing | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat | yup, that did it. | 18:09 |
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| @Haarg | lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 781 | 18:09 |
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| daviddelikat | I'll work on impl that fix you mentioned... | 18:09 |
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| +BartJol | tavisto, it isn't actually magic you know! | 18:09 |
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| daviddelikat | oh come on it's magic | 18:09 |
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| @tavisto | ey' BartJol, how are you... you big girly man! | 18:10 |
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| +BartJol | me, girly, oh well, at leat I'm not metrosexual | 18:10 |
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| @tavisto | Metro Man and Girl Man | 18:10 |
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| +BartJol | except my cold, I am fine | 18:10 |
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| @tavisto | Girly Man | 18:10 |
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| @tavisto | I have one too.. it stinks | 18:10 |
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| +BartJol | looking forward to my new house and your visit | 18:10 |
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| +BartJol | and your beer drinking course | 18:11 |
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| +BartJol | since you suck at that, during the WUC you'll be able to say "I drink beer like a Dutchie!" | 18:11 |
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| +BartJol | all in a fortnight | 18:12 |
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| +BartJol | but since when am I baptised "Girly man"? | 18:12 |
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| +BartJol | tavisto? I know you're busy, but don't just insult me and run away, we never run when we insult you | 18:14 |
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| +BartJol | it is way too much fun to see you fed up with being called metro | 18:15 |
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| Lisette | webgui support web services? | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | oh and Koen is a father! | 18:16 |
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| @tavisto | BartJol, you have always been the big dutch girly man. This is not something new? | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | Lisette: there WAS a webservices client wobject | 18:16 |
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| @tavisto | That's cool about Koen!!! Woohoo | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | oh,ok hten | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | it's a girl and she is called Emma | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | I believe she can't program perl yet | 18:17 |
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| @tavisto | Ah good, not sure there's enough room in the world for 2 Koen | 18:17 |
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| Lisette | where i found? | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | certainly not | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | well Lisette I was talking past time, so probably it's hard to find | 18:18 |
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| +BartJol | It was in the menu with the new content stuff | 18:19 |
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| +BartJol | Lisette, in the changlog I see that Thingy should be able to behave like a Web Service | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | but I don't know how it works | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | or whether it is the same | 18:22 |
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| +BartJol | have to go, adieu! | 18:26 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: so I noticed when I was digging into the gallary bug that picture dates on the advenced search page are all the same and also the date search does not work. | 18:36 |
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| daviddelikat | a) should I generate a bug report for this? b) shoud I go ahead and work on it? | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | both sound good to me | 18:37 |
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| daviddelikat | ok | 18:37 |
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| daviddelikat | btw the keyword fix worked nicely... | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm going to fix up the AssetExport test today, then finish the Survey help. If you want me to look at a bug instead, please give me a holler | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | using bash, how do I redirect stderr and stdout from 1 command into a file? | 19:04 |
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| daviddelikat | ls > file 2>&1 # I think this works in bash | 19:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | I tried this: perl someTest 2>&1 > file | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I still get stderr in the terminal | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll reorder and try again | 19:05 |
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| daviddelikat | you have to put '1>file' first because 2>&1 is just an assignment | 19:05 |
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| daviddelikat | kind of like saying stderr = stdout then stdout = filedes(somefile) | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, daviddelikat! that works. | 19:07 |
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| daviddelikat | np | 19:07 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9406 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change | 19:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9407 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, we're not making any more changes to 7.5 | 19:52 |
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| daviddelikat | oops | 19:55 |
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| daviddelikat | I didn't getthat memo | 19:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | not a problem, just save you some backporting in the future | 19:58 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 19:58 |
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| topsub | When i am calling $session->datetime->epochToHuman when i send it a $date_format can i send a comman to it to seperate it? | 21:41 |
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| topsub | i can't seem to get a comman to insert to separate the output.. So instead of Feb 02 2009 i can get Feb 02, 2009 | 21:42 |
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| _elnino_ | did you try to escape it with a slash? | 21:43 |
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| _elnino_ | I don't think youshould have to though. | 21:43 |
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| topsub | ah. i didn't think i would have to escape it.. Let me try that | 21:43 |
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| _elnino_ | make sure to surround the format with quotes of some sort. | 21:43 |
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| topsub | $date_format = '%c %D\, %y';. should i use double? | 21:44 |
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| _elnino_ | no, that should be fine, just as long as it's surrounded, and it proably would have yelled at you if you didn't. And I'mreally surprised if you have to escape a comma, but maybe it'll work.. | 21:45 |
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| topsub | arg. i got it, i was doing it in the wrong place | 21:46 |
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| topsub | This macro has been refactor'd so many times... thanks _elnino | 21:46 |
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| _elnino_ | no problem. I don't think I helped any. =) | 21:47 |
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| topsub | eh you did input which is enough for me | 21:47 |
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| topsub | to confirm i can use a comman | 21:47 |
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| _elnino_ | YAY! | 21:47 |
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| wgGuest15 | hrwtj | 22:22 |
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| wgGuest15 | hello | 22:22 |
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| wgGuest15 | how is everyone | 22:22 |
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| wgGuest15 | anyone there? | 22:23 |
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| @bpmedley | what's up? | 22:23 |
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| _elnino_ | hi. | 22:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest, are you having keyboard problems? | 22:24 |
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| _elnino_ | hello wgGuest15? | 22:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | bake any cookies yet, _elnino_? | 22:33 |
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| wgGuest15 | asdfad | 22:34 |
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| wgGuest15 | dfasdfzs | 22:34 |
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| _elnino_ | I was thinking about it, I was telling tavisto, I ahve all the time in the world now too. economy hit me today. | 22:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh no! | 22:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm so sorry, _elnino_. | 22:35 |
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| _elnino_ | That's alright. Now I can finish off some projects at home before #2. and webgui has my full attention. | 22:36 |
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| * perlDreamer prepares for a blast of bugs | 22:36 |
| _elnino_ | =) | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is your husband still working? | 22:42 |
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| _elnino_ | as far as I know =) he's got two, he's in the guard and works for a school district. School district is in the middle of a 7 million cut. His boss says that he's there to stay. | 22:44 |
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| _elnino_ | my company laid off 25% of personell. ouch. | 22:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | 25%? That's huge! | 22:44 |
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| _elnino_ | we *were* a 60 person company.. list was crazy, they got rid of meat instead of fat. Our best sales guy, best of marketing, 2/3 of IT and 1/2 software enginering. managmeent, hw enginnering and blood relative and friends stayed. | 22:46 |
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| _elnino_ | crazy. | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | sounds pretty sycophantic | 22:46 |
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| _elnino_ | it's a private company, things like that happens. You get used to it. | 22:49 |
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| wgGuest15 | ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr | 22:49 |
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| _elnino_ | I think wgGuest15's cat just laid down on his keyboard. | 22:49 |
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| * deafferret is not an op :( | 22:51 |
| _elnino_ | define op | 22:52 |
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| deafferret | /mode +o deafferret | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Someone with a star next to their name, short for channel operator | 22:52 |
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| deafferret | /kick wgGuest15 | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | they have to power to kick people out of the channel, ban people, change status of people | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | kind of like IRC sysadmins | 22:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, AssetExportHtml and i18n/help are passing, moving on to hardcoded extras, and then probably to dotted assetIds | 22:53 |
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| @Haarg | nice | 22:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to learn about wgdev :) | 22:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9409 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: | 22:58 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Remove tests for file content that do not work because files stream. | 22:58 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Update error message in test to match how the code works. | 22:58 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Survey.pm: Remove old help for the survey that is broken, and not used anymore. | 22:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, when I run wgd edit templateUrl, it tells me that there are no assets to edit and dies | 23:18 |
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| @Haarg | is there a specific template you are trying? | 23:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | /root/import/survey/default-survey-edit | 23:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | the thing is that it's checking against @_, which is empty for that sub | 23:19 |
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| @Haarg | ah | 23:19 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, should be $self->arguments | 23:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the check moved up before it accesses $self->argument? | 23:19 |
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| @Haarg | actually | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | it should be @files in there | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | in the check that is | 23:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | you want a patch for that? | 23:22 |
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| @Haarg | nah, i've got it | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool. | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I feel like I walked into Home Depot for WebGUI | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgd is so flexible and powerful | 23:23 |
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| @Haarg | http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/commit/5b92fede397edda4d7662da137a76a225b387732 | 23:23 |
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| @Haarg | i rather like it :) | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | title and meta tags go _inside_ the head block, right? | 23:27 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | something in the template parser is making YAML puke | 23:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's not adding a newline to the end of the YAML section | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the serializer | 23:34 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 23:35 |
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| @Haarg | it doesn't puke for me | 23:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm having YAML problems | 23:36 |
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| @Haarg | it could be the yaml version yeah | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have YAML.pm, 0.66 | 23:36 |
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| SynQ | I bring good news | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebgUI is in Ubuntu? | 23:37 |
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| @Haarg | try installing YAML::XS | 23:37 |
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| SynQ | I have a daughter named Emma! | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Since WGDev tries to be YAML agnostic, how about a check and conditional newline append? | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa! | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Congratulations, SynQ | 23:37 |
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| @Haarg | congrats SynQ | 23:37 |
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| SynQ | thanks | 23:37 |
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| * SynQ very very proud | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Pictures? | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | no pictures yet | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Tessa come through okay? | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | haven't had any time yet | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | Tessa is fine | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | how is Koen doing? | 23:38 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, i'm going to double check to make sure it works with all the yaml modules it tries to use | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | bit tired of course | 23:38 |
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| SynQ | but so am I (tired) | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | just remember, they smile and giggle when you undo the diaper because they are going to try and crap all over you | 23:39 |
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| SynQ | this was the first chance I got to touch my computer | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | when was she born? | 23:40 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: I know | 23:40 |
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| SynQ | yesterday five to three | 23:40 |
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| SynQ | so 32 hours ago | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | awesome, SynQ. | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | I'll have pictures on line by the weekend I think | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | think/hope | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | she has her own domain name | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | emmadejonge.nl | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | it will be a webgui site of course | 23:41 |
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| SynQ | the best platform to build a site about and for your offspring :) | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | undoubtedly | 23:44 |
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| SynQ | I'm gonna take a Emma with Gooey picture every week | 23:44 |
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| SynQ | and e-mail the url to JT :P | 23:44 |
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| SynQ | ok | 23:44 |
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| SynQ | gotta run | 23:45 |
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| SynQ | later | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | see you! | 23:45 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, can you try installing YAML::XS until i can fix it properly? | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | i think so | 23:46 |
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| * perlDreamer breaks out yum FTW | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | it will be nice when the next rev of YAML comes out | 23:47 |
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| @Haarg | it's going to work like JSON does, using the XS version if possible, and falling back on the perl version | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice. So I gotta ask, why did you choose YAML over JSON? | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | prettier :) | 23:48 |
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| @Haarg | since the idea was for it to be human edittable i wanted something more readable | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | i'm still not certain if i want to change the whole serialized format | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's not bad, quite readable | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 23:49 |
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| @Haarg | i'd like if we could have something universal though | 23:50 |
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| @Haarg | for wgfs and such as well | 23:50 |
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| topsub | How can i edit email template that are sent to a user when they buy something? i can't seem to find it | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the email confirmation in the ITransact plugin | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | so Admin -> Shop -> Pay Drivers | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | looks like I need to write a bad gateway macro test, too | 00:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | seeing lots of ^/;assetUrl | 00:02 |
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| jlittlewood | hi folks. I'm trying to figure something out with users/groups and ldap | 00:02 |
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| jlittlewood | not a technical issue really, but a, well, issue of how to best make something happen | 00:03 |
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| jlittlewood | we've got it set up so that the login is thru ldap, and only people in ldap can login | 00:03 |
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| jlittlewood | but we want them to get automatically entered into a specific webGUI group | 00:03 |
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| jlittlewood | and we don't want to change our ldap set up | 00:03 |
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| jlittlewood | so I used the ^GroupAdd(); macro to put a little link on the login page | 00:04 |
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| jlittlewood | but it's a little unseemingly there | 00:04 |
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| jlittlewood | anyway to get webgui to add someone to a group as soon as they log in, no other steps necessary? | 00:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Do you mean login, or register? | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | login | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | they are already in ldap | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | or am I missing your question? | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | this is a staff-only page | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, people will login several times per week, so it would keep adding them to your group | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I guess that's not bad | 00:05 |
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| jlittlewood | but they'd already be in there, right? | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | In the WebGUI config file, there is an entry for runOnLogin. I think it will do what you want. | 00:07 |
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| jlittlewood | hunh! | 00:07 |
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| jlittlewood | cool | 00:07 |
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| jlittlewood | what can I make it do? | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | it will run a script when the user logs in | 00:07 |
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| _elnino_ | OOH I just read about this in the admin book.. There is something in settings that will auto register ldap employees.... | 00:07 |
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| jlittlewood | aha | 00:07 |
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| _elnino_ | want me to go find it? | 00:08 |
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| @Haarg | macros are processed in the runOnLogin command | 00:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | No just tease him a little more so he goes out and buys a book ;) | 00:08 |
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| jlittlewood | haha | 00:08 |
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| jlittlewood | I have it | 00:08 |
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| jlittlewood | I didn't think to look in the config | 00:08 |
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| _elnino_ | It's a *NICE* feature! | 00:08 |
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| @Haarg | so that's how you can pass the username/uid/anything else to the script | 00:08 |
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| _elnino_ | there's two radio buttons, enable both, and you'll get what you want I believe. | 00:09 |
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| @Haarg | he already has that i believe | 00:09 |
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| jlittlewood | yeah, this is the next step to make it seemless | 00:09 |
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| jlittlewood | seamless | 00:09 |
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| @Haarg | i'm not sure i understand the problem though | 00:09 |
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| @Haarg | if only ldap users can log in | 00:09 |
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| jlittlewood | but on the site | 00:10 |
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| @Haarg | and you want them all to be in a group | 00:10 |
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| jlittlewood | there will be a mix of "everyone" accessable pages | 00:10 |
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| jlittlewood | and "staff" accessible pages | 00:10 |
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| @Haarg | how would that be different from the registered users group? | 00:10 |
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| _elnino_ | you can build groups based off of ldap groups. | 00:10 |
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| jlittlewood | if we allow posts on blogs, etc | 00:10 |
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| jlittlewood | wouldn't they also be registered users? | 00:10 |
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| @Haarg | well, you can allow visitors to post to blogs | 00:11 |
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| _elnino_ | anyone/everyone who logs in, is is considered a registered user. | 00:11 |
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| @Haarg | but you said only ldap users could log in | 00:11 |
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| jlittlewood | no, you are right | 00:11 |
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| _elnino_ | everyone is "public" and "registered user" | 00:11 |
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| jlittlewood | hmm | 00:11 |
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| _elnino_ | I'll restate that differently: the "everyone" group includes "public" and "registered users" | 00:12 |
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| jlittlewood | word, that might be just the ticket | 00:12 |
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| jlittlewood | you people rock my world sometimes | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, hardcoded extras are all fixed, while I'm in this mode, I'm going to make a test for bad gateway macros next. | 00:18 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9411 /WebGUI/t/hardcodedExtras.t: Make test pass when there are no failures. Yes, it does seem strange. | 00:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9412 /WebGUI/docs/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Fix hardcoded extras URLs in templates and in extra head tags in assets. | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | heh | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | we already have a test for the gateway macros, but it was looking for them in the headBlock :/ | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | fixed the test, and upgraded 4 more templates | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to look at dotted assetIds | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it seems like we should have a check someplace for valid assetIds when they are passed in to be created. | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I'm thinking of just using copy/paste to fix the assetIds. Copy, paste, then delete the original. | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | however, doing that will lose the version history and asset history | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | any concerns with that? | 00:43 |
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| @Haarg | let me check one thing | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | ok | 00:44 |
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| @Haarg | is there a reason you want to avoid using sql directly? | 00:45 |
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| @Haarg | it's not very pretty | 00:45 |
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| @Haarg | but you'll have to update anything using the templates as well | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that has to be done in any case | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was thinking laziness | 00:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | copy/paste will update all asset tables for me | 00:46 |
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| @Haarg | well, upgrade_7.6.0-7.6.1.pl fixShortAssetIds uses sql directly | 00:47 |
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| @Haarg | although i missed assetHistory | 00:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | and believe it or not, there are no templates with dotted assetIds | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | just Snippets (referenced by url) | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | which means that copy/paste will break tht | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll use SQL | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | there are only 4 types of assets that need to be fixed | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Navigation, Folder, Snippet and Image | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | so just a handful of tables | 00:49 |
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| @Haarg | hmm | 00:49 |
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| @Haarg | folder will be tricky | 00:49 |
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| @Haarg | well, not tricky | 00:49 |
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| @Haarg | but you'll have to hit parentId in asset as well | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 00:50 |
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| @Haarg | lineage shouldn't need to be rebuilt though | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, that should be fine | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | we could break AssetProxy's though, since you can optionally specify an assetId for that | 00:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think anything in the core does that, though | 00:52 |
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| @Haarg | that's a new feature as well, so i'm not too worried | 00:52 |
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| @Haarg | and i doubt you'd be assetproxying any of that stuff | 00:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe the navigations, but not the folder, Images or snippets | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, maybe the snippets | 00:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Update the templateChecker test to look at extra head tags instead of the defunct | 00:55 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: headBlock. Add URL to the output to make working with wgd easy. | 00:55 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9414 /WebGUI/docs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fix broken gateway macros. ^/;file does not work with prevent proxy cache. | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, There are more De Jonge's in the world today :) | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | Koen has a new baby daughter, Emma | 00:58 |
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| _elnino_ | does synq=koen? | 01:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes | 01:01 |
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| patspam | ah fantastic! | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | He was the tall, skinny fellow from The Netherlands | 01:01 |
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| patspam | she kept him waiting a while :) | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | was she late? | 01:01 |
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| patspam | yeah I think she was expected last week | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's not bad | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | they have a variance of +/- 2 weeks easily | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | s/variance/spread/ | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm learning far more than I ever expected, since Kathy is trying to go to midwife school. | 01:03 |
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| patspam | awesome, such an important job | 01:04 |
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| metanil | what makes WebGUI better than other popular CMS like Drupal, Joomla?? ( I came up with only one answer.. i.e. i like perl.. but are there any other reasons?) | 01:18 |
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| deafferret | metanil: you don't like Python? ;) | 01:20 |
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| deafferret | metanil: (Hi! I'm Jay Hannah) | 01:20 |
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| metanil | hey jay.. whats up? | 01:21 |
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| deafferret | Just working and waiting for perlDreamer to excercise | 01:21 |
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| metanil | (see i sometime come up with weird question in this room). ;) | 01:21 |
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| * perlDreamer already snuck out, deafferret! | 01:21 |
| deafferret | :) | 01:21 |
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| deafferret | "jhannah" was already registered to some bone-head (probably me years ago), and I couldn't convince NickServ to hand it to me | 01:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | so how did you come up with "deafferret" as a nick? | 01:22 |
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| deafferret | I had a deaf ferret in college. | 01:22 |
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| metanil | cool! | 01:22 |
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| metanil | :D | 01:23 |
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| deafferret | he was hard to scare when sleeping :) | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, what makes WebGUI better than the PHP set of CMSes? (Drupal, Joomla, etc.) | 01:24 |
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| @tavisto | *tavisto punches perlDreamer in the head for asking a dumb question* | 01:24 |
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| * perlDreamer is just a dumb perl hacker who has never looked at the others | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | back in 2001, if one used PHP one was asking for hackage | 01:25 |
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| metanil | same here. | 01:25 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, I can't say that WebGUI is better than php CMSes solely because of the language | 01:25 |
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| metanil | perlDreamer: just forward that punch to me sent by tavisto | 01:25 |
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| @tavisto | I'll let you developers argue about that | 01:26 |
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| deafferret | Drupal doesn't hand out purple octopii at Yet Another Perl Conferences... | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | One big difference that I can tell you about is the core software functionality | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | Joomla and Drupal use a minimal core package and then require you to install lots of 3rd party goodies | 01:27 |
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| metanil | yeah i have that purple octopus in my desk. | 01:27 |
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| deafferret | *in*?? Gooey can't breathe! He must be displayed proudly *on* your desk! | 01:27 |
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| @tavisto | these third party goodies (aka plug-ins o' death) are a major pain to keep updated, and often times do not necessarily come from certified sources | 01:28 |
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| metanil | in => on | 01:28 |
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| @tavisto | and, if the maintainer decides to stop upgrading the wiki module, and you upgrade your core, well... you may or may not have a working wiki | 01:28 |
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| metanil | actually ON my speaker | 01:28 |
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| metanil | tavisto: true. | 01:29 |
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| @tavisto | WebGUI includes all of the applications in the core software, therefore upgrades are easy and do not require you to manage 30 plugins each time you do it | 01:29 |
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| @tavisto | other differences... I'm told Joomla and Drupal api's and such is much more chaotic because of the huge # of devs working on just about everything | 01:30 |
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| @tavisto | but again I only soak up stuff I hear from WebGUI peeps. So maybe that's untrue and/or biased. :) | 01:30 |
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| metanil | seems like true to me.. | 01:31 |
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| metanil | (may be because i am already get used to webgui) | 01:31 |
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| @tavisto | Drupal now has a commercially supported version of their product now. It's serviced through that {Aquios) company or whatever it is | 01:32 |
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| @tavisto | However, a good portion of the PHP community CMSes out there don't have a centralized company behind them. If something is only community based, it's not going to cut it in the enterprise (where you need guaranteed service levels) | 01:32 |
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| +Radix-wrk | One advantage all of those php ones have is ease of installation - you can pick prettymuch any hosting account and install them. That's probably one of the biggest issues with WebGUI when it comes to convincing people to go with it. | 01:33 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I love webgui, but that one is what is preventing it from hitting mainstream imho | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Radix-wrk, in that case, it's not just WebGUI, it would be any modperl app. | 01:34 |
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| +Radix-wrk | until it's available via cpanel or plesk or whatever else is used by hosting accounts, it's going to get limited use in comparison | 01:35 |
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| * perlDreamer puts on the Pointer Sisters record -> I'm just spinning doing the Patspam dance | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, dotted assetIds fixed | 01:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | where next? | 01:44 |
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| @Haarg | cool | 01:44 |
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| @Haarg | i don't know, i'm working on improving the upgrade script atm | 01:45 |
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| patspam | heh sorry, Helen turned on my laptop which started competiting with me for my irc login | 01:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | "Helen"? | 01:45 |
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| deafferret | patspam death match! | 01:45 |
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| patspam | helen = my partner | 01:46 |
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| @preaction_ | like, tag-team partner? are you a wrestler? | 01:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'll try the Survey gateway problem next. | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | We're running out of core bugs to work on | 01:50 |
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| patspam | heh, i have cycling bib-knicks that look like the greco-roman wrestling costume | 01:55 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity | 02:00 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you have any luck with that survey issue? | 02:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | some | 02:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have determined that the problem is in javascript | 02:29 |
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| @Haarg | fun | 02:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I just turned on firebug to test it | 02:29 |
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| patspam | perlDreamer: i might be able to help with that | 02:29 |
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| patspam | will be back in 30mins if you're still working on it | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9416 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl): | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix dotted assetIds in the database for the WebGUI 7 Style snippets, navigations, | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: folder and Image assets. | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9417 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): fixed #9623: preload.custom paths not included during upgrade | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revert last two commits, no more development of WebGUI 7.5 | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9419 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's the administersurvery javascript, and administersurvey/comm.js | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored createSurveyOrder in ResponseJSON | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added lastSectionIndex, lastQuestionIndex, lastAswerIndex convenience | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: methods to SurveyJSON to simplify iterations over Sections, Questions | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: and Answers | 02:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9420 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Improved createSurveyOrder documentation, and made perlcritic happy | 02:30 |
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| patspam | from memory survey used to write out the gateway url to a js variable on the page | 02:30 |
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| patspam | it was pretty hacky. not sure if your bug is related to that | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | in this case, the gateway is ignored completely | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | when submitting data from a page in the survey | 02:32 |
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| patspam | yep, i think the js gateway variable isn't being used atm | 02:32 |
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| patspam | maybe put that hack back in, and then I'll replace it with a clean solution when i get to the Javascript in my survey refactoring (halfway through the perl code atm) | 02:32 |
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| patspam | bbl | 02:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | how do I setup a WebGUI server with a non-slash gateway URL? | 02:41 |
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| @preaction_ | edit the gatewayUrl in the config file, and put the webgui modperl directives in a <Location /gatewayUrl> block | 02:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | would you believe that all the old URLs still work? | 02:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | now I can go to /site_map, or gate/site_map and both work | 02:51 |
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| @Haarg | not really a suprize | 02:51 |
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| @preaction_ | did you remove the webgui modperl directives from outside that location block? if not, then yes | 02:51 |
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| @preaction_ | in fact, i think gatewayUrl is really only used to create URLs with, webgui doesn't do any checking using it (it tries to remove it if it's there, but if it's not it doesn't care) | 02:52 |
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| @Haarg | you could always blacklist urls using a rewrite rule since you only need this for testing | 02:53 |
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| @Haarg | we're currently at 2 pages + 1 bug | 02:53 |
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| @Haarg | and one of those bugs is something i'll fix as part of the release process | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | how many of those are core bugs, and how many are bazaar, bugboard, webgui.org bugs? | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, and two translation bugs | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | one of which I think we fixed by moving D::Dumper to using pureperl | 02:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | but needs to be tested | 02:54 |
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| @preaction_ | once stuff settles down on my current project, i'll be hammering out helpdesk bugs and rfes, that thing has officially pissed me off for the last time | 02:54 |
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| @preaction_ | it is destroying me and my programmers' efficiency | 02:55 |
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| @preaction_ | also, if i were to create some webgui API quick-reference pages, which one would you two like first? | 02:56 |
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| @preaction_ | i'm thinking that building forms would be the best, or users and groups | 02:56 |
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| @Haarg | i count around 20 core bugs | 02:56 |
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| @Haarg | is this for anything in particular? | 02:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I had been thinking there were only about 8 | 02:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | but obviously I miscounted badly | 02:58 |
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| @preaction_ | another one could be "Content" (content and URL handlers + the Asset API) | 02:58 |
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| @preaction_ | i mean, how often have we looked at the API as a whole and seen what's really there? | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | you don't write tests very often, do you? :) | 02:59 |
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| @Haarg | not long ago i wrote a quick overview of the package and api | 03:00 |
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| @preaction_ | heh, i don't work on core very often, but even then we're only looking at part of the whole | 03:00 |
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| @Haarg | mainly going over the various parts of the api, nothing about how to use each part | 03:00 |
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| @preaction_ | my two ideas are: quick-ref sheets and a "WebGUI Module Map" detailing what parts are there, which are API and which are plugins | 03:01 |
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| @Haarg | i have to do something like that for the wuc | 03:01 |
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| @preaction_ | which one? | 03:01 |
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| @Haarg | webgui api overview | 03:02 |
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| @preaction_ | i want to do the map first, so we can pool our efforts | 03:02 |
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| @Haarg | i just emailed you the thing i wrote up, may or may not be relevant to what you are talking about | 03:02 |
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| @preaction_ | ok | 03:02 |
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| @preaction_ | yes, that is very relevant | 03:03 |
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| @preaction_ | in fact, what i want is just an expanded version of this. getting people introduced to WebGUI and where to look for things and (for me) a quick reminder of things so i don't have to read teh code all the time | 03:04 |
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| * perlDreamer is looking forward to some API consistency in wG 8 | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | new, create, getId everywhere | 03:05 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, can you think of a good reason for wgdev to not convert all the line endings of text fields to unix style? | 03:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | text fields? like in templates? | 03:20 |
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| @Haarg | everything it sticks into text blocks | 03:20 |
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| @Haarg | which is anything using HTMLArea, Textarea, or Codearea | 03:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't know what the designers use for editing templates. Would it mess them up? | 03:20 |
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| @Haarg | they use WebGUI at this point | 03:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't see any reason not to change them | 03:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | even if we were to have wgfs someday, we could do newline translation in the fs layer | 03:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | dinner break | 03:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did it! | 04:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9421 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Replaced ResponseJSON's implementation of shuffle with List::Util's | 04:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: shuffle and updated Colin's ninja shuffle tests | 04:30 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9422 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the exitURL redirection when a survey is completed and the site uses a gateway url. | 04:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, you might want to pull in 9422 into the survey-rfe branch | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I actually figured it out, which was easy since it was a problem in the perl and not the JS. | 04:38 |
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| daviddelikat | where can i look to find database table definitions? | 04:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | the hard way that always works: docs/create.sql | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought that somebody made a schema page on webgui.org | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe the wiki? | 04:41 |
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| daviddelikat | that is exactly what i was hoping for | 04:42 |
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| daviddelikat | I don't see anything usefull so far in the wiki... | 04:42 |
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| daviddelikat | aha! | 04:42 |
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| @preaction_ | there's a db-schema page somewhere on the site | 04:42 |
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| @preaction_ | i think the wiki has a link | 04:42 |
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| daviddelikat | i did find it, but I think the sql files may be easier to search... | 04:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema | 04:43 |
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| @tavisto | wow, I've been wondering about the DB schema thing for so long | 05:49 |
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| @tavisto | people have asked me that in the past and I've never known the answer to it | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: re the untitled bug, I found this: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic72095.html | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9644 | 06:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | it sounds like purely a client issue with windows | 06:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | we can't do much about it | 06:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'd like to post some URLs for help, then close it out. | 06:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did close that bug, and am now working on the advanced search | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's missing code for the date search | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll finish it up tomorrow. | 07:07 |
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| +BartJol | hi binyamin | 13:44 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I'm not able to remove stuff from my site | 15:05 |
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| +BartJol | can't call method"setScratch" on a undefined vale at .../AseetTrash.pm line 256 | 15:06 |
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| topsub2003 | In a collaboration system. what table in the database stores who can post, post a thread, and edit the asset? so far haven't found it in the database | 16:04 |
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| +BartJol | isn't that in the assetData table: | 16:07 |
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| topsub2003 | i see who can edit, but not who can post to a thread in assetData | 16:07 |
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| +BartJol | mmm | 16:07 |
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| topsub2003 | seems there is another table i am missing. looking atm trying to find it | 16:08 |
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| +BartJol | I don't see a canEdit method in the API... | 16:13 |
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| +BartJol | topsub2003: there is a postGroupId in the collaboration table | 16:15 |
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| topsub2003 | hmm Does that handle who can post threads and such? | 16:16 |
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| +BartJol | yes that table handles that | 16:16 |
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| topsub2003 | ah wait.. there is a canStartThreadGroupId | 16:16 |
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| +BartJol | there is also a group .... indeed! | 16:16 |
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| +BartJol | that one | 16:17 |
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| topsub | anyone know were the email template for when you bought something is stored? | 17:04 |
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| topsub | in that email we are getting "You were sent a message from Visitor." and not sure why and wondering if its in the email template | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | topsub: I see some templates in root> Import node > Shop | 17:14 |
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| topsub | oh, i guess i was trying to find it via admin console >> shop | 17:16 |
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| +BartJol | topsub: but you did find it now? | 17:18 |
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| +BartJol | well, the messages are in the payment plugin settings | 17:18 |
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| topsub | ah, so it might be in the paydriver were that message is coming from | 17:21 |
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| +BartJol | yes | 17:23 |
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| topsub | thanks bartJol! | 17:25 |
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| +BartJol | no problem! | 17:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks! | 18:15 |
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| +BartJol | morning, already knew that Koen is a father perlDreamer? | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Yes, he came into channel yesterday to tell us about Emma | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | we've been spreading the word | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: Have you bought your house yet? | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | still in the process, will take a month or two | 18:17 |
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| +BartJol | it's starting to get annoying | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the holdup? | 18:18 |
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| +BartJol | well, before a contract could be signed, wherein I promise to buy took very long (1.5 month) | 18:19 |
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| +BartJol | and now I get money from the government, but before they approve my request will also take 1.5 months | 18:20 |
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| +BartJol | but maybe quicker, if I'm lucky | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | The government buys your house for you? | 18:20 |
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| +BartJol | partially | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you have to pay them back for it? | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | you can get money, if you're 18+, don't have a lot of money and are burying your first house (which can't be too expensive) | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | nope | 18:21 |
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| +BartJol | it's a great rule | 18:22 |
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| jlittlewood | hey all -- within webgui, is there any way to dynamically add users to a group based off a regular expression or something? | 18:34 |
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| jlittlewood | like "all registered users with @blarg.org in their username will become part of the Blarg.org group" | 18:35 |
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| @preaction_ | jlittlewood: look in the group edit screen, there's a way to detect users in a group based on an SQL query | 18:35 |
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| jlittlewood | cool, will do | 18:36 |
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| jlittlewood | thanks | 18:36 |
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| +BartJol | but do you have to do that again and again? well, than you can make a workflow | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol, the group definition is dynamic | 18:36 |
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| @preaction_ | BartJol: the sql query is re-run periodically (cache timeout) | 18:36 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 18:36 |
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| @preaction_ | that's why it's just "detect" users, it's not "add" users. you can still assign specific users to that group | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, could I send you a patch for adding an --assetid option to wgdev edit? I don't always know the URL to an asset. | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | sure | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, if you want commit access to the repo at any point just let me know | 18:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg. I'd like to practice messing up my own git repo before I start messing up anyone else's though :D I'm not fully git compliant yet. | 18:44 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9423 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm): Fix broken subfolder synopsis template variable in the Folder. | 19:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9424 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Dates in the galley advanced search were ignored. | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm stuck on bug fixing. | 19:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: got any interesting bugs? | 20:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | the IE6 transaction manager bug looks interesting, but I don't have a copy of IE6 to test with | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm wondering if the assetManager is broken, too, since they both use the DataTable | 20:18 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, you need qemu and a XP image. | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have a copy of VirtualBox. | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | then it's just the XP. | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wonder what it costs down the road... | 20:20 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, which I think MS has started charging "one million dollars!!" for, in an effort to discourage not using their latest crapware. | 20:20 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I don't see an IE bug listed. | 20:25 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | ah, 9611 | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9611 | 20:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | is IE6 also in SP3, or do I need something older than that? | 20:27 |
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| * perlDreamer heads to the other office and sign some refinance papers, bbiaw | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret, no exercise involved, you're clear | 20:33 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, anyone ran 7.6.11's testEnvironment? It seems to have a major memory leak at the end of it. At least on 64 bit Fedora. | 20:38 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Using the 8.5 wre | 20:39 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, weird, the run up in memory happens after the very last execution in the app. | 20:40 |
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| bernd__ | Haarg, the character encoding problem still persists! | 21:13 |
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| @Haarg | you are using the latest translationserver.cgi? | 21:14 |
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| bernd__ | No. | 21:14 |
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| bernd__ | Going to update instantly. | 21:14 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, xp sp3 is still ie6 | 21:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll see about getting a copy today or tomorrow | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the meantime, how do I setup a dashboard? | 21:29 |
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| bernd__ | Haarg, it works! | 21:37 |
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| bernd__ | Thanks for reacting promptly! | 21:37 |
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| @Haarg | after adding the dashboard, you paste shortcuts as children of it iirc | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try that | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, I see now | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | You make shortcuts | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | then you go to the dashboard and hit Add New Content, which brings up a menu of stuff to add | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for me to head back to the main office and get some lunch, bbiaw, all | 22:24 |
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| Lisette | there is an example of soaplistener for Web service client? | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, now that we have a workaround/fix for the translation encoding, do we need to do anything special to close out the bug that refers to it? | 23:14 |
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| @Haarg | no | 23:14 |
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| @Haarg | i closed it already | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | even better :) | 23:14 |
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| Lisette | how to do to obtain the response of a webservie with web service client? | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i ended up doing the asset id option to wgd edit a bit different | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll do a pull | 00:05 |
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| @Haarg | now it just tries using the param as an id first, and as a url if it doesn't work | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's nice, you can mix on the commandline | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | you could probably use session->id->valid as a safe first pass check | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | probably | 00:06 |
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| @Haarg | it currently just checks for / | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's even simpler | 00:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the dashboard bug fixed | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm going to try the hover help css problem next | 00:14 |
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| bernd__ | Good night everyone! And happy hacking... | 00:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9425 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a dashboard bug where scripts and css needed by user profile fields were not | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: sent via an AJAX method in the shortcut. | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9426 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: When data is successfully saved from the edit user preferences form, make it | 00:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: redraw the Dashboard, instead of the shortcut. | 00:24 |
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| @tavisto | topsub | 00:55 |
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| @tavisto | have you used the consolidated shopping cart screen for a customer project yet? | 00:56 |
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| @tavisto | I have a guy who wants to let visitors purchase stuff on his WebGUI site. I think that feature was included in your customized shopping cart | 00:56 |
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| topsub | hey | 00:58 |
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| topsub | ya i did | 00:58 |
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| topsub | thats why we built it was because a client needed it | 00:58 |
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| topsub | your talking about the 1 page checkout correct? | 00:58 |
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| topsub | The client we built that for is lanching their site tomorrow i believe | 00:58 |
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| topsub | we finished up things today | 00:58 |
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| knowmad | tavisto: i heard you're talking about us | 01:01 |
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| @tavisto | yo | 01:01 |
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| @tavisto | your spies are correct | 01:01 |
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| topsub | lol | 01:01 |
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| topsub | you need that feature tavisto? | 01:02 |
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| @tavisto | so, here's what I want to know.... have you deployed any of that custom e-commerce code that allows for the consolidated check out screen and allows visitors to complete purchases? | 01:02 |
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| knowmad | btw, i spoke to Agnes today | 01:02 |
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| @tavisto | oh cool, hopefully you'll be able to help her | 01:02 |
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| topsub | you want a non registered user to be able to buy something? | 01:03 |
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| knowmad | yeah, i'm trying to come up with something that will help but also meet her budget | 01:03 |
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| @tavisto | There's a guy who purchased hosting from PB today, but he wants a single click transaction that doesn't require user registration | 01:03 |
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| knowmad | our client with that one-page checkout was scheduled to launch today | 01:03 |
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| @tavisto | nice, did it happen? | 01:03 |
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| topsub | later this evening i heard they are switching the dns | 01:03 |
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| knowmad | but it doesn't look like that happened | 01:04 |
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| knowmad | oh | 01:04 |
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| @tavisto | coolio, I'd like to see that | 01:04 |
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| knowmad | so tomorrow you can visit www.counciloned.com | 01:04 |
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| @tavisto | so anyway, instead of turning this guy away, I'd like to hook you up | 01:04 |
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| topsub | tavisto, yes we have that feature on that site | 01:04 |
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| @tavisto | do you provide the hosting as well? | 01:05 |
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| knowmad | yeah, we do provide hosting | 01:05 |
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| topsub | yes we can provide hosting | 01:05 |
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| @tavisto | excellent | 01:05 |
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| @tavisto | excellent | 01:05 |
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| @tavisto | :) | 01:05 |
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| knowmad | well, jt might not think so but the WRE makes it so dang easy for us to self-host | 01:05 |
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| @tavisto | oh yeah? | 01:08 |
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| topsub | tavisto, is it one product this guy needs or multi? | 01:08 |
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| knowmad | we do so little hosting he probably doesn't notice | 01:08 |
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| @tavisto | William, I'll include the website URL in my email to him. Should I include your email as well? | 01:09 |
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| @tavisto | he said he's just selling 1 thing | 01:09 |
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| Lisette | why when i add a web service client shows me the next error: WARN - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: home Root cause: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440.?? | 01:09 |
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| Lisette | anyone knows? | 01:09 |
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| knowmad | tavisto: sure | 01:10 |
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| knowmad | Lisette: sounds like a bug | 01:10 |
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| Lisette | mmm because when i do this in the demo version, it's works | 01:11 |
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| Lisette | but in my site don't work | 01:11 |
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| knowmad | what version of wG? i thought that the Web Service asset was removed from core recently | 01:11 |
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| knowmad | but then i wouldn't expect to see it in the demo | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | Lisette, the demo site always uses the latest stable, which in this case is 7.5.40 | 01:11 |
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| Lisette | i have 7.5.25 | 01:11 |
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| knowmad | perlDreamer: wasn't the asset she's talking about removed from core? | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | knowmad, yes, in 7.6. But if your site was using it, it was not removed from your local install. | 01:12 |
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| knowmad | so that explains why it's still showing up in the demo | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup | 01:12 |
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| knowmad | Lisette: you may want to check the changelog to see if any bugs against that asset were fixed since 7.5.25 | 01:13 |
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| Lisette | ok, thanks | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm about 99% positive that there were some bugs fixed | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | since I remember fixing them | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I've done so much coding in the last two months that it's all blurring together | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need a dev with opera to help me test a bug fix. | 01:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Any volunteers? | 01:22 |
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| @Haarg | i can | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll commit the fix, and then revert it if it doesn't work. | 01:24 |
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| @tavisto | Knowmad, I sent off that email so I'm sure he'll contact you soon. Actually I'll forward you the email he sent to me as well. | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, it's rev 9427 | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | to duplicate the bug, just look at any hoverhelp. If you do not see a yellow bar below the text, it's fixed. | 01:25 |
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| knowmad | tavisto: Thanks! | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | Survey hoverhelp will show a yellow background to all the text, due to the styling | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | yep no problem | 01:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm still kind of shocked. I wrote javascript and it worked the first time. | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | benefit #721 of being a Plain Black partner, lead sharing. | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | hehe | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | should be perfect though, he gets all the cool features of wG with a Knowmad shopping cart. | 01:27 |
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| @Haarg | hover help looks fine in opera 9.63 | 01:27 |
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| topsub | lol | 01:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll update the changelog and close the bug. | 01:27 |
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| topsub | powered by knowmad. inspired by topsub | 01:28 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9427 /WebGUI/www/extras/hoverhelp.js: Prototype fix for yellow hoverhelp lines in opera/firefox. | 01:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9428 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document the hoverhelp fix in the changelog. | 01:50 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer : the fix you posted for the gallary search page woks fine for the search itself but the date is still displayed wrong. | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | it displays okay for me | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | which browser are you using? | 03:33 |
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| daviddelikat | is this likely to be something in the database? | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is all form work | 03:34 |
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| daviddelikat | my dates still say 02/03/31 | 03:34 |
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| daviddelikat | sorry... | 03:34 |
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| daviddelikat | that is what it says on the gallary page | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | gallery page? The main page of the gallery, or the album page? | 03:34 |
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| daviddelikat | on the search page it says 12/31/69 | 03:34 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer does not make mistakes | 03:34 |
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| @rizen | how dare you question his fix | 03:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, he does not | 03:34 |
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| @rizen | !!!!!!! | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | He makes catastrophically bad judgement calls based on wild guesses | 03:35 |
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| daviddelikat | that would be the album page | 03:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Let me build one up real quick. | 03:35 |
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| daviddelikat | here http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ | 03:36 |
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| daviddelikat | I just updated my code the afternoon | 03:37 |
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| daviddelikat | ( and restarted modperl ) | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | So if I click on the album page, I should see bad dates... | 03:38 |
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| daviddelikat | yes, in white text on off-white background | 03:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see that bad date on your page. | 03:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | but on the one that I built, it's just fine. | 03:39 |
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| daviddelikat | no the album is fine, its the search page that sows them wrong | 03:39 |
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| daviddelikat | perhaps I should start over. | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would help :) | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | thank you | 03:40 |
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| daviddelikat | the album has the correct date: 020409... | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | that I see | 03:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | what do I click on next? | 03:40 |
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| daviddelikat | click on advanced search | 03:40 |
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| daviddelikat | set the dates to 2/1/09 and today | 03:41 |
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| daviddelikat | and click search | 03:41 |
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| daviddelikat | you see the album and the picture | 03:41 |
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| daviddelikat | the date on the bottom of the picture is 12/31/69 | 03:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, now I see. | 03:41 |
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| daviddelikat | in white text on off-white background | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | from the bug, it sounded like the dates were wrong in the search boxes | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | not the photo display | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll look into it. | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have an idea that I already know what's wrong | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | but we shall see | 03:42 |
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| daviddelikat | this is why i failed english.... | 03:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, would you mind posting a bug about this issue specifically? | 03:43 |
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| daviddelikat | sure | 03:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh dear | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's really mucked up | 03:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wonder who did that | 03:46 |
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| * perlDreamer looks around for someone else to blame | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps somebody new... | 03:47 |
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| daviddelikat | hmmm???? | 03:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, after digging around some, it turns out it's been that way for a while | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is the problem | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | <div class="date"> Created ^D("%M/%d/%Y",^International('template file creationDate','Asset_GalleryAlbum'););</div> | 03:48 |
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| daviddelikat | your ticket sir: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9675 | 03:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | Now, given that line, can you tell me what's wrong? | 03:48 |
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| daviddelikat | looks like it doesn't have a date valule to format | 03:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the problem | 03:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | it should be something more like | 03:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | <div class="date">^International("template file creationDate","Asset_GalleryDate"); ^D("%M/%d%Y", <tmpl_var creationDate>);</div> | 03:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and since I recently did a huge amount of template i18n, I'm guessing that I broke preaction_'s beautiful search template. | 03:50 |
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| daviddelikat | that looks senseble | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | jmarsden|work: what's the good word on Ubuntu? | 03:51 |
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| jmarsden|work | I've not checked today whether anyone reviewed my package yet... let me check... | 03:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | in addition to randomly breaking templates in WebGUI, I'm also known for impatience. | 03:53 |
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| jmarsden|work | No real reviews yet, one comment saying "The changelog does not close a bug from Launchpad. New packages should have a needs-packaging bug and the upload close it using the syntax "(LP: #nnnn)". | 03:53 |
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| * perlDreamer has all sorts of problems... | 03:53 |
| jmarsden|work | The comment is correct, so I should do that. | 03:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, maybe that's why it's not getting a lot of comments | 03:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: I've just started using wgdev, and I've decided that Haarg needs to be promoted to Overlord of Internal Tool development | 03:55 |
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| jmarsden|work | Possible; I think it is more that it is a relatively big/complex piece of software to check, and no- MOTUs with the time/energy to do it have yet come along... | 03:55 |
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| @rizen | pretty cool eh? | 03:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's awesome! | 03:55 |
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| @rizen | i haven't looked at the newest version | 03:55 |
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| @rizen | i really need to get a copy | 03:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's on github.com | 03:56 |
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| @rizen | i know, i just haven't gotten it yet | 03:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | all fixed up, daviddelikat | 04:01 |
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| daviddelikat | so how does that get passed down to users? is the template in a file somewhere? | 04:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | in docs/upgrades/packages-my.next.version | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | there will be a bunch of WebGUI package files | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | those are little bundled up assets with their collateral | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | extra tables, storage objects, files, etc, and all their asset properties | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | when the user upgrades, it will overwrite the default webgui template on their site | 04:04 |
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| daviddelikat | does that get loaded when modperl restarts? | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | the package will be automatically inserted into the db on an upgrade | 04:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | or, it can be manually loaded | 04:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | in the asset manager | 04:05 |
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| daviddelikat | I'll try that... | 04:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'll find it in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11 | 04:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for dinner, later guys! | 04:06 |
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| daviddelikat | I saw it when I updated... | 04:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | svn up, yes. But how about perl upgrade.pl --doit? | 04:06 |
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| daviddelikat | will that insert it into the database? | 04:06 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9429 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the display of creationDate in the gallery search template. | 04:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:25 |
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| ries | Hey All.. checking the wiki.... but.... does webgui make a good CMS for a community sort of website where uses can post there blogs, news, galleries, tip-a-friend yada yada yada.... We expect around 500.000 active users (not at the same time) and host around 10.000.000 images RDBM would be preferred PostgreSQL | 04:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | to the best of my knowledge, WebGUI does not work with PostgreSQL | 04:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | That being said, I don't think anyone's tried it for a long time | 04:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI can do all the things that you mentioned. Blogs, news feeds, photo galleries, calendars (with ical feeds) | 04:27 |
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| ries | perlDreamer: I guess it would be possible to make it with PostgreSQL? Assuming that webgui uses a RDBM of some sort... | 04:28 |
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| ries | perlDreamer: Basicly they asked me to make a multi-domain multi-language website(s) where news is shared between domains aswell as users | 04:28 |
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| ries | they can publish there photo's of art-work and sell that | 04:29 |
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| ries | inter-user communication, that sort of work... | 04:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | ries, the RDBM that WebGUI uses is MySQL. There are no mapping layers between the object code and DB that would make it database agnostic. | 04:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can also do ecommerce with WebGUI | 04:31 |
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| ries | So it would be suitable for a community oriented website, rather then admin users creating and publishing content... Right? | 04:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Definitely | 04:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | For example, see the Bazaar on webgui.org | 04:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | all user contributed content, where you can optionally give it away, or sell it | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | that code isn't in the core yet, but it is available as a plugin | 04:32 |
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| ries | About MySQL... we have zero experience with MySQL so we would beable to change this to PostgreSQL (we have the resources) ... | 04:32 |
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| ries | if possible that is | 04:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | Anything is possible with enough coding and time. | 04:33 |
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| ries | The initial idea was to build a CMS from scratch, I said let's first look around and see what is available... so we have the $$$ | 04:33 |
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| @rizen | it doesnt take a lot of exp with mysql to do it well | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | but, you can also use the WRE, WebGUI Runtime Environment, which is basically a software appliance setup for managing WebGUI sites. It does all the heavy db setup work for you | 04:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | ries, rizen is Mr. WebGUI. | 04:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | if it can be done with WebGUI, has been done, or someone in Siberia thought about WebGUI, rizen knows about it | 04:35 |
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| ries | rizen: We just don't have the experience to do that well and MySQL .... | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to scoot for the evening | 04:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | later, all | 04:35 |
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| @rizen | if you have the $$ to do a big project then surely you can spend a few of those learning MySQL. Especially since WebGUI will do all the work for you so you don't need to build your own custom CMS | 04:36 |
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| ries | rizen: We are writing our requirements better.. we identified around 36 modules we need for the site to function and I am specifing them | 04:36 |
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| ries | MySQL is not really an option for us due to historical experience.... (we lost a DB twice due to MySQL not being stable) yes we had a backup, but not a happy client | 04:37 |
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| @rizen | i've had the same experience with Postgres and Oracle | 04:37 |
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| @rizen | that doesn't mean i never use them anymore | 04:37 |
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| ries | rizen: About learning MySQL... we would need to hrie a company then, something we are planning to... but rather hire a company that knows PostgreSQL better then us | 04:37 |
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| @rizen | what you're saying is that you can't run unless you buy Nike brand shoes to run in | 04:37 |
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| @rizen | that's religion, not technology | 04:38 |
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| @preaction_ | only problem i've ever had with mysql is me not knowing that a restart will reconnect the slave to the master | 04:38 |
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| ries | rizen: yes it's part religion, I just don't want to debate it :) | 04:38 |
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| @rizen | fair enough | 04:38 |
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| @rizen | unfortunately that means WebGUI's not for you | 04:38 |
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| @rizen | it only runs on MySQL | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | i wish i could helpyou | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | but unfortunately i can't debate religion | 04:39 |
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| ries | rizen: I don't want even debate it.... | 04:39 |
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| @rizen | i just said that | 04:39 |
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| ries | it's apple vs PC, PHP vs Java, etc etc... it's personal choise | 04:39 |
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| ries | rizen: anyways, would it be good by the time I have the requirements I contact you? It might be interesting to let it run on PG and we could sponsor that 100% | 04:40 |
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| @rizen | you mean contact us to convert webgui to run on PG? | 04:41 |
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| ries | Indeed.... and if you could help us to find the right people to build the website | 04:41 |
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| @rizen | absolutely | 04:41 |
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| @preaction_ | would it also fulfill the goal of running on drizzle? | 04:41 |
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| @rizen | jt@plainblack.com | 04:41 |
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| @rizen | i don't have any religion about databases, so if you want us to make webgui run on PG we'll do it for you | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | i don't think it would be terribly difficult | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | it used to run on PG several years ago | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | but only 3 out of the 10,000 sites we know about used it | 04:42 |
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| @rizen | so it wasn't worth maintaining | 04:42 |
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| ries | preaction_: Drizzle would be to know... we try not to experiment with new technology (even if it was a fork of existing) | 04:43 |
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| ries | rizen: I fully understand, for that reason about 90% of the CMS systems run on MySQL.... | 04:43 |
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| @preaction_ | right, i'm just saying if we stop relying on so much mysql-ese SQL, it might be beneficial to our desire to run on drizzle | 04:43 |
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| @preaction_ | (which as i understand is a mysql without so much of the mysql-ese that causes bloat) | 04:44 |
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| ries | rizen: it would not be for a couple of weeks before I have writen everything down better... but will contact you... | 04:44 |
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| @rizen | k | 04:44 |
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| ries | preaction_: That's what I understood about Drizzle to.... However with this project I cannot experiment | 04:45 |
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| ries | thanks | 04:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9430 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (4 files): Update from translation server | 12:14 |
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| wgGuest40 | hello | 14:04 |
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| wgGuest40 | i have a problem with webgui | 14:04 |
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| +BartJol | ok | 14:05 |
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| +BartJol | let's hear | 14:05 |
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