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| daviddelikat | preaction: I'm investigting a disappearing picture for http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and I wanted to see if it caused any errors in the log. | 02:20 |
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| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/wg/promote/gooey-on-the-go/webgui-license-plate-club | 02:21 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: here's the error: 2009/01/31 18:17:02 - WARN - www.plainblack.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAs | 02:22 |
| @preaction | setMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: wg/promote/gooey-on-the | 02:22 |
| @preaction | -go/webgui-license-plate-club/michigan-license-plate Root cause: Can't use string (" | 02:22 |
| @preaction | gooey on the go license plate cl") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /da | 02:22 |
| @preaction | ta/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 798. | 02:22 |
| @preaction | ... er, my bad | 02:22 |
| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/mf6b1fa8 | 02:22 |
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| daviddelikat | thanks | 02:23 |
| chupacabra | anybody seen tamar | 02:52 |
| chupacabra | i miss her cute ass shaking defiantly. | 02:53 |
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| chupacabra | oops wrong channel.. sory. | 02:55 |
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| conexcol | hi | 03:01 |
| @preaction | hi | 03:01 |
| conexcol | good to see people here | 03:02 |
| conexcol | I want to start developing things for webgui | 03:02 |
| @preaction | that's great! we're here to help | 03:02 |
| conexcol | I'm trying to start a project to build a directory with search capabilities | 03:02 |
| conexcol | I'd like to have some recomendations on how to approach this... is an asset, a set of macros, etc. | 03:03 |
| conexcol | I'd like to have categories and subcategories, user submitions, keywords search, etc | 03:04 |
| @preaction | a directory for what kind of data? | 03:04 |
| conexcol | websites | 03:04 |
| conexcol | like yahoo :p | 03:04 |
| @preaction | you could probably put the whole system together using the Collaboration System if you wanted | 03:05 |
| conexcol | mmm.. interesting... | 03:05 |
| @preaction | but probably your best bet would be to make a set of custom assets | 03:05 |
| conexcol | how's that? | 03:05 |
| @preaction | assets because they are indexed into the WebGUI Search asset (so your searching would come almost free) | 03:06 |
| @preaction | also because assets are arranged in a tree, so that comes free too | 03:06 |
| conexcol | how fast is the search engine? | 03:07 |
| @preaction | if you have a top-level asset type for the "Directory" one asset type for a "Category" and one asset type for a "Directory Entry", you should be able to quickly do it | 03:07 |
| @preaction | i have never seen it take very long | 03:07 |
| conexcol | jmm. let me digest this... | 03:07 |
| @preaction | alternatively, you can design your database first and then build a single asset to navigate, another asset to search | 03:08 |
| @preaction | another asset to manage entries in your custom database, etc... | 03:08 |
| conexcol | I see... | 03:08 |
| conexcol | Actually, I already have the database | 03:08 |
| conexcol | I guess another asseit for user submision... | 03:09 |
| @preaction | so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data | 03:09 |
| @preaction | you could also write it as a WebGUI::Content handler instead, which is a lower-level API that stays out of your way | 03:10 |
| @preaction | i wouldn't suggest it unless you had a very good reason | 03:10 |
| @preaction | my opinion is that the different assets to view, search, and edit entries would be the best way | 03:10 |
| conexcol | I'll have to go for about 15 mins.. this is getting quite interesting.. please baer with me.. I'll be back shortly | 03:11 |
| @preaction | unfortunately i have to go as well, but there are plenty of people who can help, and I'm here most of the time | 03:11 |
| conexcol | ok, thanks a lot | 03:12 |
| conexcol | I really want to start developing tonight | 03:12 |
| @preaction | the WebGUI Developer's Guide from Plain Black has a wealth of getting-started information and tutorials on how to accomplish various tasks | 03:12 |
| @preaction | the wiki has a guide on "how to create an asset" | 03:12 |
| @preaction | there is a code skeleton in lib/WebGUI/Asset/_NewAsset.skeleton and lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_NewWobject.skeleton (a Wobject is what you'll want probably, it's basically a higher-level asset) | 03:13 |
| @preaction | the wiki is http://wiki.webgui.org | 03:13 |
| conexcol | I'm back | 03:31 |
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| conexcol | preaction: if you're still here, when you said "so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data", where exactly should I do this? | 04:03 |
| conexcol | what's the difference between Asset and Wobject? | 04:06 |
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| chupacabra | installing LWP failed. | 06:05 |
| chupacabra | oops | 06:06 |
| chupacabra | Fedora 10 | 06:06 |
| chupacabra | running testEnviornment.pl | 06:06 |
| chupacabra | sounds important. i know it is for some irc bots ive had. | 06:08 |
| chupacabra | mmm installed LWP with yum and all seems well | 06:15 |
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| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat | 06:38 |
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| conexcol | does anyboday know how the Bazaar is made with (wich Asset)? | 06:39 |
| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:40 |
| daviddelikat | nope | 06:41 |
| daviddelikat | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:44 |
| wgGuest88 | daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet? | 06:44 |
| wgGuest88 | nope | 06:44 |
| daviddelikat | sorry for all the junk, I'm done goofing around now... | 06:45 |
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| chupacabra | lots of perl modules | 06:58 |
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| conexcol | does anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)? | 08:32 |
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| chupacabra | how important is Aopache2::Request mine wont install it. | 17:11 |
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| bpmedley | what problems are you having? | 17:50 |
| bpmedley | you may need to download and pass arguments to the Makfile.PL script | 17:50 |
| chupacabra | ahh. | 19:55 |
| chupacabra | I'm busy now. will check back in after work. thanks though. | 19:55 |
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| @preaction | chupacabra: if you're having trouble with manually installing stuff, perhaps the WRE would be a good idea | 20:59 |
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| conexcol | does anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)? | 21:49 |
| @preaction | conexcol: it's a custom asset called Bazaar, available in svn at https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/experimental/Bazaar | 21:52 |
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| chupacabra | 3C3C3C^^^ | 06:23 |
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| +BartJol | yo, I've got a upgrade question for sites with custom assets | 15:16 |
| +BartJol | we mostly put the assets in a custom dir | 15:16 |
| +BartJol | but the upgrade script doesn't seem to regonise the path and thus can't call the getId method on the asset | 15:16 |
| +BartJol | this breaks the upgrade, which can be quite annoying | 15:17 |
| +BartJol | we tried a perl -I with the path after it, but that also didn't work | 15:17 |
| +BartJol | Am I missing something? otherwise I'm gonna submit a RFE for it | 15:18 |
| +BartJol | someone got some ideas on this? | 15:24 |
| +BartJol | preaction: you know whether I'm doing something stupid? | 15:26 |
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| +BartJol | ah the master of development | 15:29 |
| +BartJol | khenn: you know whether I'm missing something simple when upgrading a site with custom plugins? | 15:30 |
| +BartJol | it seems to skip preload.custom | 15:30 |
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| @khenn | it's likely a bug in the upgrade script | 15:30 |
| +BartJol | oh | 15:31 |
| +BartJol | ok | 15:31 |
| @khenn | what are you trying to do? | 15:32 |
| @khenn | not sure why the upgrade script needs to know about your custom modules | 15:32 |
| +BartJol | upgrading from 7.5.38 to latest | 15:32 |
| @khenn | it's breaking? | 15:32 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 15:32 |
| @khenn | perhaps Haarg would know better | 15:33 |
| +BartJol | I fixed it already by putting it in the normal lib dir | 15:33 |
| +BartJol | but that is not the preferable solution | 15:33 |
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| +BartJol | well I posted a bug | 15:57 |
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| wgGuest47 | anyone know how to move pages up or down in navigation from the home page? | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | you can change the rank in the assetmanager | 17:08 |
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| wgGuest47 | thanks | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | my pleasure | 17:10 |
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| @Haarg | BartJol, i plan to have upgrade.pl use preload.custom, but it doesn't at this point. it's simple enough to use perl -I or PERL5LIB= once you know, but it should be automatic. | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | Haarg: ah, thanks | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | good to know | 17:54 |
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| brikenv | Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview. | 19:05 |
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| brikenv | Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview. | 19:31 |
| perlmonkey21 | Is there a way to run two WebGUI directories at the same time? I didn't know if it was too big a PITA to track down all the /data/WebGUI references. | 19:32 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey21: only if you run two instances of apache at the same time. i think there are only a couple places to change /data/WebGUI to something else | 19:33 |
| perlmonkey21 | preaction: sweet, I'll see if I can run it down. | 19:33 |
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| @Haarg | only places that will have /data/WebGUI listed should be the config files and preload.perl | 19:33 |
| @preaction | brikenv: do you need a developer or will a power user do fine? | 19:34 |
| brikenv | hi preaction. poweruser will be fine. just general questions | 19:34 |
| @preaction | brikenv: the official Plain Black person to answer those types of questions would be tavis@plainblack.com | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | he's a power user | 19:36 |
| perlmonkey21 | preaction: sweet, thanks a bil | 19:36 |
| @preaction | he's borderline developer, something i always seem to forget | 19:36 |
| perlmonkey21 | Haarg: err, I meant you | 19:36 |
| @preaction | tavisto is MS-certified sysadmin, netadmin and other wonderfully geeky things (in addition to being easy on the eyes) | 19:37 |
| brikenv | well. i'm german. will be easier for me to ask in the chat then do it in writting | 19:37 |
| @preaction | i'm not savvy on how his schedule works, but he may be able to do even better (skype or something) | 19:38 |
| brikenv | i just want to know if a couple of features are existing or not, as i couldn't find the informations on the website | 19:38 |
| @tavisto | hi brikenv, I'd be happy to answer your questions | 19:38 |
| brikenv | hi tavisto. thats great thank you | 19:39 |
| brikenv | private room? | 19:39 |
| @tavisto | sure go ahead and private me | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, if we learn that you're bad mouthing WebGUI in private, it shall not go well with you... | 19:40 |
| * perlDreamer ends his threat with an ominous elipsis | 19:40 | |
| @preaction | he can't badmouth it, he had a major hand in shaping it | 19:40 |
| @tavisto | hah, the marketing guy bad mouthing the product... that's a good one | 19:40 |
| @preaction | dot. dot dot.... | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | dot dot dot ... dot dot dot | 19:44 |
| @preaction | dash dot dash? | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | S.O.S. in dots only | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Morse code really uses 3 symbols, and they can be very arbitrary | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | The module Acme::Bleach is built the same way | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it reencodes your code using all legal whitespace characters | 20:08 |
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| bernd_ | Hey everyone! Greetings from Bayreuth... | 20:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | Where is Bayreuth? | 20:48 |
| bernd_ | Northern Bavaria | 20:48 |
| bernd_ | You know Richard Wagner? | 20:48 |
| bernd_ | Bayreuth is were the annual Richard Wagner Festspiele take place. | 20:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | is that why you're there? | 20:55 |
| bernd_ | No, I am on a business trip. | 20:56 |
| bernd_ | I do not even know Wagner. I just heard that the city is famous for staging of his works. | 20:57 |
| +BartJol | business trip, yeeeeah | 20:57 |
| bernd_ | Boring :-( | 20:58 |
| bernd_ | I hate business trips... | 20:58 |
| +BartJol | go to the wuc, that's not boring | 20:58 |
| bernd_ | ... as long as I am on my own. | 20:58 |
| bernd_ | I bet. | 20:58 |
| bernd_ | But I have not collected enough karma yet :-) | 20:58 |
| +BartJol | allthough, you shouldn't have to travel that far to meet so many dutchies | 20:59 |
| +BartJol | you don't need karma | 20:59 |
| bernd_ | What about you coming to one of our drinks in Heidelberg? | 20:59 |
| +BartJol | maybe later this year | 21:00 |
| +BartJol | I have to buy a house | 21:00 |
| +BartJol | it will cost me most of my days off | 21:00 |
| bernd_ | I thought you have bought a house? | 21:00 |
| +BartJol | it's a slow process | 21:00 |
| bernd_ | I need the karma to pay for it! | 21:00 |
| bernd_ | Or do you want to be forced to listen to one of my talks? | 21:00 |
| +BartJol | I'm willing to donate some karma | 21:01 |
| bernd_ | I can tell you they are veeeery boring. | 21:01 |
| +BartJol | I wouldn't mind I think | 21:01 |
| bernd_ | Well, I would need some 50 000 karma points then. | 21:01 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I don't have that | 21:01 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer is probably the only one who could pay for the conference with karma, | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope, I'm several thousand short | 21:02 |
| * perlDreamer is currently bashing his head on JS | 21:03 | |
| bernd_ | Is it Javascript or did you forget the T? | 21:03 |
| +BartJol | several 1000's that's mearly weeks for you | 21:03 |
| bernd_ | Yeah, would be really cool if someone paid with karma. | 21:04 |
| +BartJol | but I suspect perlDreamer is presenting anyway | 21:04 |
| bernd_ | Most likely. Maybe something about JS? | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I sure hope not | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Javascript is starting to look like spaghetti mixed with tapeworms | 21:06 |
| bernd_ | tapeworm? | 21:07 |
| bernd_ | s | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | human intestinal parasite | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapeworm | 21:10 |
| bernd_ | Ah, Bandwürmer! | 21:10 |
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| bernd_ | perlDreamer, I am having problems with the translation server. | 21:12 |
| bernd_ | Character encoding/decoding does not work. | 21:13 |
| +BartJol | oh, yeah, thanks for the wiki entry, I got it installed | 21:13 |
| bernd_ | If I do not use the rich editor, | 21:13 |
| bernd_ | umlauts get strange encondings like "\374", which are not recognized by the browser. | 21:13 |
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| bernd_ | Anyone else knowing about the translation server and character encodings? | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Klaus filed a bug about character encodings, but they worked fine in the browser. | 21:25 |
| bernd_ | I am not sure if that is related. | 21:26 |
| bernd_ | What I don't understand is why characters are converted at all. | 21:27 |
| bernd_ | If the default encoding is utf8 there should not be any conversion required? | 21:27 |
| @Haarg | default encoding of what? | 21:27 |
| bernd_ | I think the browser is using utf-8. | 21:28 |
| bernd_ | So why decode in www_editItemSave? | 21:28 |
| bernd_ | Isn't the text area delivering utf-8 as well? | 21:28 |
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| bernd_ | I assume decode_utf8 converts from utf-8 to unicode wide characters. Is that correct? | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | we decode from utf8 into perl's native string representation | 21:30 |
| bernd_ | But why? | 21:30 |
| bernd_ | The browser wants utf-8 in the end. | 21:31 |
| bernd_ | Is it re-converted to utf-8 at one point? | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe it is reconverted to utf8 when written out to the translation files | 21:31 |
| bernd_ | Just checked: the browser encoding is utf-8 when using the translation server. | 21:31 |
| bernd_ | perlDreamer, do you mean upon commit? | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no, after saving | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | when committing, it writes to SVN | 21:32 |
| bernd_ | That is not the case. | 21:32 |
| bernd_ | I can find those perl wide characters in the translation files. | 21:32 |
| bernd_ | Want an example? | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | That is what Klaus's bug is about | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Data::Dumper, which is used to serialize the data to the file, will alternately handle the encodings in different ways | 21:33 |
| bernd_ | Hm, nothing we can do about it? | 21:33 |
| bernd_ | I cannot continue with the translation at the moment. | 21:33 |
| bernd_ | I would have to re-check all phrases with umlauts. | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is this on i18n.webgui.org, or a locally installed copy? | 21:34 |
| bernd_ | It is the local copy. | 21:35 |
| topsub | are "admins" the only ones who can look at the asset manager tree? | 21:35 |
| bernd_ | I have not experienced on i18n.webgui.org yet. | 21:35 |
| topsub | the only group that is | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, I don't believe so. | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Content/AssetManager.pm | 21:35 |
| topsub | I am getting lil confused as to how to set this up. Trying to keep clients from being able to control everything | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd_: then I think you should double check i18n.webgui.org | 21:36 |
| bernd_ | But how? | 21:36 |
| bernd_ | I have been using i18n.webgui.org frequently. | 21:36 |
| bernd_ | So far no problems. | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd_: then the problem must be local to your machine. That's a small comfort. | 21:37 |
| bernd_ | Not sure, since I have found corrupted characters in translations that others have done. | 21:37 |
| bernd_ | The bug is probably there. | 21:37 |
| bernd_ | I am just not sure what causes it. | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub: in 7.6, with the new config file, you can easily specify which groups can access parts of the admin console | 21:38 |
| topsub | thats nice! | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but that just hides it in the UI | 21:39 |
| bernd_ | Just checked permissions under settings. But it seems that the config file is the only way to hide the asset manager. | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | so when the character encoding bug you are talking about occurs, what is the result of it? | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | as for why we decode and encode | 21:41 |
| bernd_ | Instead of "ü" I get "\374". | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | where? | 21:41 |
| bernd_ | The latter is probably the perl encoding? | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | and why does that matter? | 21:41 |
| topsub | so if they have the url then they could see it? | 21:41 |
| bernd_ | In translation modules such as Account_User.pm | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | we need to have all the strings in the same format so they can be combined together | 21:42 |
| bernd_ | Haarg, it matters because those characters appear as strange characters in my browser. | 21:42 |
| bernd_ | It seems that re-conversion is missing. | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | on the translation server or when using them in webgui? | 21:42 |
| bernd_ | When using them in webgui. | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | version? | 21:42 |
| bernd_ | 7.5.40 | 21:42 |
| bernd_ | Actually, not true. | 21:43 |
| bernd_ | I have tested with a recent beta version. | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | the strings coming out of the i18n modules should be in perl's internal encoding | 21:43 |
| bernd_ | Has that always been the case? | 21:43 |
| bernd_ | Using the rich editor causes HTML entities! | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | where the data coming from/to the browser is utf8 | 21:43 |
| bernd_ | In translation files that is. | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | in 7.4 and previous, we weren't handing encodings properly | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | we just dealt with everything as bytes | 21:45 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:45 | |
| @Haarg | which led to a number of problems when storing them in the database or doing processing on them | 21:45 |
| bernd_ | No more than 4 minutes per km, perlDreamer! | 21:45 |
| bernd_ | But 7.4 is far in the past. | 21:45 |
| bernd_ | Why does the problem occur now? | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I try to average 10 minutes/mile | 21:46 |
| bernd_ | That is even more. | 21:46 |
| @preaction | about the same | 21:46 |
| bernd_ | You *must* get faster. | 21:47 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 2.2 * 4 | 21:47 |
| perlbot | 8.8 | 21:47 |
| bernd_ | Otherwise it is no longer running ;-) | 21:47 |
| @preaction | oh, that's slower! | 21:47 |
| bernd_ | Isn't a mile 1.6 km? | 21:47 |
| +BartJol | or 1.852 km of your talking nautical miles | 21:48 |
| @preaction | 2.2 i always thought | 21:48 |
| +BartJol | preaction: nope | 21:48 |
| @preaction | oh, i'm wrong | 21:48 |
| +BartJol | treasure this sparse moment in time preaction | 21:48 |
| @preaction | mmmm... | 21:49 |
| bernd_ | Nicely said! | 21:49 |
| bernd_ | preaction, I am glad you are not working for NASA. | 21:50 |
| bernd_ | Ooops, forgot the smiley :-) | 21:50 |
| +BartJol | rizen never has that, even when he's wrong, he's right | 21:50 |
| bernd_ | That is probably by definition. | 21:50 |
| +BartJol | indeed | 21:50 |
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| @preaction | bernd_: i was only off by a factor of 0.6, well within NASA's standards (they are, after all, a government agency) | 21:51 |
| bernd_ | And that is probably the reason they lost pathfinder. | 21:51 |
| bernd_ | Or was it some other satellite? | 21:51 |
| * perlDreamer goes slowly shambling | 21:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret will be distressed | 21:52 |
| @preaction | they lost a mars rover or two | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | just 1 | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the UK lost one, too | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | named Beagle | 21:52 |
| bernd_ | No wonder, they use the same unit system. | 21:52 |
| @preaction | that being said, i'm sure it's much like airlines: you only hear about the disasters | 21:53 |
| @preaction | but comparing a space shuttle to an airplane is like comparing an amoeba to a human | 21:53 |
| @preaction | er.. a human to an amoeba | 21:53 |
| bernd_ | Not sure if old NASA shuttles are rather the amoeba. | 21:54 |
| +BartJol | strange, airplanes have more people in it | 21:54 |
| @preaction | fewer moving parts though | 21:55 |
| @preaction | you could build an airplane with no electronics, good luck building a space-capable vehicle with no electonics | 21:55 |
| +BartJol | the russians hardly fail, but they put it in the extinguish pot | 21:55 |
| @preaction | that can safely ferry a human being during its entire trip, i should add | 21:55 |
| bernd_ | You can build a rocket with pure chemistry! | 21:56 |
| +BartJol | that will go up yeah..., I'd harldy feel safe haveing to get back again | 21:58 |
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| @Haarg | bernd_, as far as i can tell having \374, \x{fc}, or ü in the .pm files should work the same | 22:10 |
| bernd_ | Hm, let me check again and create a screenshot. | 22:11 |
| bernd_ | Maybe it's not the translation server but a problem in the beta I was using. | 22:11 |
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| @Haarg | well, there does seem to be a problem with how something is getting handled by the translation server, it just doesn't seem to be something that would lead to problems when used in webgui | 22:13 |
| bernd_ | Still I have seen those corrupted characters. | 22:14 |
| +BartJol | it also happened with the spanish translation I remember | 22:15 |
| +BartJol | but that's a while ago | 22:15 |
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| bernd_ | Haar, the problem still persists even after updating to head. | 22:25 |
| bernd_ | Haarg | 22:25 |
| bernd_ | I have the screenshot ready. | 22:26 |
| bernd_ | How can I send it to you? | 22:26 |
| @Haarg | sure | 22:26 |
| bernd_ | But how? | 22:26 |
| @Haarg | ah | 22:26 |
| @Haarg | email will work | 22:26 |
| bernd_ | Is it possible via irc? | 22:26 |
| @Haarg | graham@plainblack.com | 22:27 |
| bernd_ | Thanks :-) | 22:27 |
| bernd_ | I was just about to look it up. | 22:27 |
| @Haarg | also, do you have the i18n modules available somewhere? | 22:27 |
| bernd_ | Yep. One moment... | 22:27 |
| bernd_ | The corresponding module is here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m14939fb0 | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | that was created with translationserver.cgi ? | 22:30 |
| bernd_ | And here is the page source: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d587cdf7c | 22:30 |
| bernd_ | Haarg, yes! | 22:30 |
| bernd_ | But a local installation. | 22:30 |
| @Haarg | modified any? | 22:30 |
| bernd_ | According to perlDreamers instructions. | 22:30 |
| bernd_ | No. Just the header lines. | 22:30 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 22:30 |
| @Haarg | that seems odd | 22:31 |
| @Haarg | just a sec | 22:31 |
| bernd_ | Is there a problem with encodings? | 22:31 |
| bernd_ | Or is there a problem with webgui? | 22:31 |
| @Haarg | it has double quotes | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | data::dumper uses single quotes by default | 22:32 |
| bernd_ | Interesting. | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | which leads me to think you are using a different version of translationserver.cgi or a different version of data::dumper | 22:32 |
| bernd_ | Let me see if that is true for other modules as well. | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | try this: | 22:33 |
| @Haarg | perl -mData::Dumper -e'print Data::Dumper->VERSION, "\n"' | 22:33 |
| bernd_ | 2.121_08 | 22:34 |
| bernd_ | Older files seem to have the single quotes. | 22:35 |
| bernd_ | Only the new ones I created appear to be affected. | 22:35 |
| bernd_ | Is the version number correct? | 22:35 |
| @Haarg | just a sec | 22:36 |
| bernd_ | The WRE I am using is 0.8.5 | 22:36 |
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| @Haarg | bleh | 22:37 |
| @Haarg | i guess it is using double quotes now | 22:37 |
| @Haarg | my bad | 22:37 |
| bernd_ | But what about encodings? | 22:38 |
| bernd_ | Are the correct ones being used? | 22:38 |
| bernd_ | Sorry for asking, but I know nothing about character encodings. | 22:38 |
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| bernd_ | I just noticed, that those question mark in diamond characters got replaced in the pastebin. | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | well, it's using \374 | 22:40 |
| bernd_ | Which is the perl encoding? | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | essentially yes | 22:40 |
| bernd_ | And therefore correct? | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | that should be correct as far as i can tell | 22:41 |
| bernd_ | So the conversion to utf-8 is no longer working? | 22:41 |
| bernd_ | Uh, I found something. | 22:42 |
| bernd_ | It is all converted to ISO-8859-1 | 22:42 |
| @Haarg | how so? | 22:42 |
| bernd_ | Changing the encoding manually in the browser solves the problem. | 22:43 |
| bernd_ | But why is that? | 22:43 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, do you want another screenshot? | 22:43 |
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| @Haarg | no | 22:47 |
| bernd_ | Anything else I can do? | 22:47 |
| bernd_ | Want the svn revision I am using= | 22:48 |
| bernd_ | ? | 22:48 |
| bernd_ | It is 9389 directly checked out from the repository, | 22:48 |
| bernd_ | running inside WRE 0.8.5 | 22:49 |
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| bernd_ | Haarg, still working on this? | 22:54 |
| bernd_ | If not, I am going to bed now. | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | i'm thinking about it - i don't need any more information from you | 22:55 |
| bernd_ | Good. Are you going to take care of the bug report? | 22:55 |
| @Haarg | there's already the bug on the list for this | 22:56 |
| bernd_ | Alright.# | 22:56 |
| bernd_ | Good night then! | 22:56 |
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| @Haarg | well, i may have found a solution | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | i'm thinking the problem is due to utf8 vs UTF-8 | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | telling Data::Dumper to use the perl code instead of XS makes it work properly - it outputs byte sequences to the file | 23:06 |
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| @preaction | that is the craziest thing i've heard | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | \374 is an octal version of \x{fc} basically | 23:08 |
| * deafferret is also dysentarious | 23:08 | |
| @Haarg | the unicode code point for that character is U+00FC | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | but the proper way to encode that as utf8 is \x{c3}\x{bb} | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | since the code point fits in a single byte though, perl encodes it internally as a single byte sometimes | 23:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, that sounds like a beautiful solution | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | speed isn't necessary for that CGI in any case | 23:42 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:42 |
| @Haarg | should just be a matter of changing Useqq to Useperl | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want me to make that change and recommit, Haarg? | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | sure | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | it's basically working around a Data::Dumper bug | 23:48 |
| @preaction | UPSTREAM! | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | we don't have a real fix though | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | and there is already a bug report for this | 23:49 |
| @preaction | ... those slow jerks | 23:50 |
| @Haarg | was reported 1.5 years ago | 23:50 |
| @preaction | that like a million years in Internet time | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate developers that don't fix bugs fast! | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, just who do those guys think they are, with their fancy, shmancy SVN access and all? | 23:51 |
| * preaction doesn't look at the oldest bug on the webgui list | 23:51 | |
| * perlDreamer repents in sackcloth and ashes | 23:51 | |
| +perlDreamer | svn rev 9390, Haarg | 23:52 |
| @Haarg | cool, thanks | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, you haven't found out why $self->{_env} is not %ENV yet, have you? | 23:53 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: no cluesies | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that bug scares me | 23:54 |
| @preaction | heh, you and me both man... | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | although, it would explain several other random issues, like kristi's spectre bug | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | where all of a sudden spectre decided that her IP address had changed | 23:55 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, is that an intermittent problem or is it always happening? | 23:57 |
| @preaction | Haarg: it was always happening | 23:58 |
| perlmonkey21 | in 7.6.10 does the assetManager show assets for everyone else? | 23:58 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey21: it does for me, but only after spectre was done committing assets | 23:58 |
| perlmonkey21 | preaction: ah, so that's my problem on this new site. After wreconsole created the site and I started it up, the logs showed that www.site.com.conf had some malformed json and spectre chokes. Which is why I couldn't see the assets. | 23:59 |
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| @preaction | i'll be here all week, try the veal! | 00:00 |
| @preaction | if i were to add a "Global Head Tags" entry in the settings, would it go under "User Interface" or "Content"? | 00:00 |
| @preaction | i would think UI would be more appropriate, since it has style templates inside it already | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | preaction, does the Env macro not work for you? | 00:01 |
| @preaction | Haarg: for my global head tags thing? | 00:01 |
| @preaction | my other thing isn't using the Env macro, it's in code | 00:01 |
| @preaction | trying to do a setRedirect | 00:01 |
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| @preaction | the global head tags thing is convenience for designers and admins, instead of having to add head tags to every single style template on the site (and then change them on every single style template on the site) | 00:02 |
| @Haarg | i can't duplicate your issue with session->env vs ENV | 00:05 |
| @preaction | damnit | 00:05 |
| @preaction | even inside a WebGUI::Account module? | 00:05 |
| @Haarg | i put some warnings at the top of WebGUI::Account::Inbox::www_view | 00:06 |
| @preaction | sigh... | 00:07 |
| @preaction | i dunno then | 00:07 |
| @preaction | i mean, feel free to close as unable to duplicate. if i get into a situation where it happens again i'll try to see what more info i can gather | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, is some custom code writing to the env object directly? | 00:07 |
| @preaction | i doubt anyone would be that stupid, but it would be a good idea for me to check | 00:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9390 /tools/translationserver.cgi: | 00:14 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Force Data::Dumper to use the pure perl version to stop | 00:14 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: random encodings in the data. | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, when you update the translation server on i18n.webgui.org, I'll close that bug on the trackers, http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9308 | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, can I talk through a spectre bug with you? | 01:11 |
| @Haarg | sure | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | It's this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9302 | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Holler after you've read it | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | ok | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | That error message comes from Operation/Spectre/spectreTest, which runs a bunch of tests | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | the first thing it does it check to see if there are any subnet issues | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses $session->env->getIp | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | That's the user's IP address | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but the Spectre connection is made by the _server_, which means that the check will always fail | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | unless you're on the server when making the request, or in a valid subnet | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | most of the time, this code is never called, since the subroutine is only invoked when Workflow::Instance tries to hand off a workflow to Spectre, when it runs too long | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Did all that make sense to you? | 01:16 |
| @Haarg | yeah, give me a sec | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, that's about 30 minutes of research condensed down to 4 minutes | 01:17 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9391 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (2 files): Added styles for taking a survey | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | ok | 01:25 |
| @Haarg | so were you thinking of a specific fix? | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | from the apache request object, pull the connection object, then use the ->local_ip method to get the server's IP address | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | i have a different thought | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | seems like spectreTest should be treated like an api method and not do that checking at all | 01:29 |
| @Haarg | move the tests into the www_ method | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | the goal of spectreTest, iirc, is to tell the user whenever the server can't talk to spectre and try to tell them why | 01:29 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | but 'the user' was initially only spectre | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | yess | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Because before we had all realtime workflows, if the user hit commit, and couldn't talk to spectre, it really mucked up their site and wouldn't tell them why | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | yeah, but there was never any feedback on that | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | right, and now there is. | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think we should change that | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | yeah, but the user feedback part they just reused part of the api | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | that wasn't designed for that usage | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's true | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | is there any way to compromise? | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | can we make spectreTest aware of how/who is calling it? | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | well, that check is meaningless outside the www_spectreTest method imo | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | the macro looks busted as well | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be equally busted, since env->getIp would be the user's IP | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | and the feedback it gives is just wrong in that case | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | in order to get the information it is looking for | 01:36 |
| @Haarg | it would need to tell spectre to request something from webgue | 01:36 |
| @Haarg | *webgui | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | then have spectre hand the result of that back through the ikc connection | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | which it won't do if the subnet connection is wrong? | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | well, if we can't connect to spectre with ikc | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | then it is down or misconfigured | 01:39 |
| @Haarg | if we can connect, but it can't connect back to webgui via http | 01:39 |
| @Haarg | then the subnet setting is wrong | 01:39 |
| @Haarg | i don't know enough about poe to be able to do that though | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it already does something like that | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | the spectreTest thing you mean? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | or somewhere else? | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | see line 201 of Operation/Spectre | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | it connects to spectre | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | that's easy though | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | the hard part is that spectre then has to make a web request, and return something to webgui based on that web request | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what if it called runTests? | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | spectreTest as it is is correct for its past usage - spectre making sure it could connect | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | from Spectre/Admin/runTests | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | i don't think that would work well | 01:43 |
| @Haarg | it would stop spectre while it did anything | 01:43 |
| @Haarg | the correct way would probably be to use the POE HTTP stuff | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | and i don't know how to get that working with the sending a response | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that what spectre ping is doing | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and there are other methods that fetch data from WebGUI inside of Spectre. to get the site data, for example | 01:49 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | but again, that's using LWP | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | it would need to use the POE stuff instead | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | so that it doesn't block Spectre from doing its regular thing | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I definitely see your point then. | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but isn't www_spectreTest exposed in the UI someplace? | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm thinking of spectreStatus | 01:52 |
| @Haarg | afaik spectreTest is only used by spectre itself | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | you're right | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll pull the subnet check out of spectreTest, and drop it into www_spectreTest | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | then all should be well | 01:53 |
| @Haarg | well, better at least | 01:53 |
| @Haarg | the macro will still be trying to report an error we have no way of detecting currently | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but once that test is pulled out of Operation::Spectre::spectreTest, it will never return that error code | 01:54 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | which is better than what currently happens | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | but still not quite right | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | do you think that the POE code would get executed quickly enough for the original HTTP request from the user not to timeout? | 01:56 |
| @Haarg | probably | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Looks like POE::Component::Client::HTTP has an interface that looks like LWP | 01:59 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 02:00 |
| @Haarg | the interface is fine | 02:00 |
| @Haarg | it's the async nature of the thing that i would have to read a bunch about to figure out | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | then, even if we fix the immediate problem of using the wrong IP, we shouldn't close the bug until it all works | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or, we should close that bug, and open another as a placeholder so that it gets fixed at some point | 02:06 |
| @Haarg | i think a new bug | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do that then, and let you get back to work. | 02:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, I lied about letting you get back to work. | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Just to round up the WikiPage talk from last week, where user's could add/paste them in the wrong place. | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I fixed the add hole, too. | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Although, in the default UI, there's no button/link to add a WikiPage just any old place | 02:17 |
| @Haarg | the thing i was thinging about though, is when would the rules for restricting paste ever be different from those restricting add? | 02:19 |
| @Haarg | *thinking | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | seems like there shouldn't need to be a canPaste method, because canAdd should already give you that information | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I did look at it, but decided that since it did a group check it was too stringent | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | also, if i didn't mention it, WGDev should be in pretty good shape now - commands are documented and the interfaces should be pretty stable | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add it to my TODO list for the week. | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be nice to have the templateFile folded into there | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | if you can take a look at it (usage/code/docs/other) i'd appreciate it | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | You bet. | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | i have something along those lines in progress i think | 02:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9392 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/MatrixCompare.pm): fixed #9635: Matrix - Add attributes not working | 02:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm: Prevent WikiPages from being manually added to places where they shouldn't. | 02:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9394 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm): | 02:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix the bad subnet checking in spectreTest. Subnet checks should only happen | 02:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: in www_spectreTest, until a way is found to round trip data in and out of spectre | 02:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: back to WebGUI. Documented how and where that should occur. | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | it currently has a command for editting assets with an arbitrary command | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | through the API, or the DB? | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | well, it exports the asset to a file inspired by the past template upgrade format | 02:28 |
| @Haarg | then runs a command against it, and reimports it when complete | 02:28 |
| @Haarg | i have some in progress code for exporting to a directory tree and detecting changes for import/packaging | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, like a filter. That's perfect. If those are separable easily, then input, output and package are easy | 02:29 |
| @Haarg | there's api methods for serializing/deserializing assets | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | back to WikiPage, canAdd will also look at the config file for the addPrivsGroup for adding. If we use canAdd, they would be able to paste as well. Which is different from how it works now. | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | But I don't know if that's bad. | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | just different | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | maybe they need to be two separate checks, but one as a permission check | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | and the other as a system integrity check | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | canAdd would use both | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | pasting would only do the second | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | so we'd still need canPaste then | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I could add a ->validParent method. Is that descriptive enough? | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | paste would basically wrap that | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and canAdd would call it in addition to Asset's canAdd | 02:32 |
| @Haarg | i think that sounds ok | 02:32 |
| @Haarg | you mean ::Asset's canAdd would also call that? | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no, WikiPage's canAdd would | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | i was thinking it would be a general method | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Post and Thread would use it | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | BazaarItem | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | can calendar | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | *and | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | for Events | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | gallery | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, we'll do it that way. | 02:36 |
| @Haarg | sounds good to me | 02:36 |
| @Haarg | i'm heading home - i'll be on later | 02:36 |
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| elnino | helooO! | 03:52 |
| elnino | I have a folder asset with a lot of photos in it. And "all of a sudden" (I can't confirm this) our users are getting the following error: "stop running this script? a script on this page is causing interent explorer to run slowly if it continues to run, your computer my become unresponsive." ONLY when admin is turned on... | 03:52 |
| elnino | I looked at the source of the html, and there are no unusal scripts running. It happens to me in IE7, and was about to try in firefox. | 03:53 |
| elnino | any idea what to look at? | 03:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9395 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Fix a few broken help entries. | 03:53 |
| elnino | I do get the error in FF2 as well. | 03:56 |
| elnino | I've also changed the pagelayout to "failsafe" and it still happens, so it appears to be pointing at the "admin on" | 04:01 |
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| elnino | when you do an asset proxy of an asset, I'm assuming it will be displayed using that asset's template. right? | 04:43 |
| @preaction | yes | 04:45 |
| elnino | good. | 04:45 |
| +perlDreamer | "all of a sudden" | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino? | 05:22 |
| elnino | yes. unfortunately. "all of a sudden" | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no upgrades? no operating system changes? no new folders added? | 05:23 |
| elnino | correct. | 05:23 |
| elnino | I wonder if they just added the 256th file to the folder. | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | each level will hold 999,999 assets | 05:25 |
| elnino | there are 10 pagination pages of assets in that folder (each being 25) plus 6 on the 11th page. so according to my math that is 256 files. | 05:25 |
| elnino | well, ok. I just thought it was interesting that there were 256. | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and it can be 40 levels deep | 05:25 |
| elnino | I guess that would not be it. | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | besides, you just said that there were no new folders/assets added :) | 05:25 |
| elnino | you didn't mention "assets" =) I just know there are no new folders. | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, my bad | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I would check all recently added assets to that folder | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | via the asset history, perhaps? | 05:26 |
| elnino | I can do that.. | 05:27 |
| elnino | now? | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Immediately, without pause or delay? What you got better stuff to do from what I order you to do? | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 05:28 |
| elnino | I'm doing popups. | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Are those like push-ups, or more like popovers? | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, I have to go make breakfast cookies, bbl | 05:28 |
| elnino | no, it's the "gray out the background and make a popup window (but not) with an enlarged photo shown in the middle of the screen" type thing. | 05:29 |
| elnino | but popovers sounds really good right now. | 05:29 |
| elnino | They want me to use <div>s and I hate those. withall the absolute and relative positioning junk. | 05:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, partial commit for general purpose add/paste protection almost ready | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I even ran the test suite this time | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | which, embarrassingly, I should do more often | 05:53 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, where is the templateID stored for assets? I don't see it in the ImageAsset table, nor any of the asset* tables.. do I get it from the wobject table? | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | ImageAsset doesn't have a template? | 06:12 |
| elnino | not according to http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema | 06:13 |
| elnino | but I'll look directly. | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Image is a subclass of File | 06:14 |
| elnino | ah.. ok. | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and File is where the templateId is stored | 06:14 |
| elnino | and is there a way to make mysql not so case sensitive? drives me nuts. | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | tab should do file complete in most places in the client | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you're writing code... | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no such luck | 06:15 |
| elnino | I'm at the mysql prompt in linux. | 06:16 |
| elnino | oh well. | 06:16 |
| elnino | how are the popovers? | 06:16 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, I've been looking at the image folder. large groups of images have been modified, on following dates: 2/2, 1/29, 12/10, and specifically I looked at templateids, image parameters, extra head tags. To see if anything suspicous appears. and didn't see anything. | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | no popovers, I made breakfast cookies | 06:17 |
| elnino | what are breakfast cookies? | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | they're made with applesauce, oats, whole wheat flour, regular flour, some sugar, cinnamon, ground cloves, oatbran, dried cranberries and raisins | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and two eggs and some butter | 06:19 |
| +perlDreamer | very yummy | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and healthy | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | just don't tell deafferret about it | 06:20 |
| elnino | are they like homemade granola bars? | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | not really. They're a cookie for sure, but very light | 06:20 |
| elnino | interesting. can you send me a recipe? | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Sure! | 06:21 |
| elnino | djninow@yahoo.com | 06:21 |
| elnino | cool. I'll have to try those. I love dried cranberries, and I have tons of oatmeal. | 06:22 |
| elnino | thansk! | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | would you also like our top secret chocolate waffle recipe? | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's on its way. | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to try it with some other dried fruits, too, like apricots or pineapple | 06:29 |
| elnino | oh.. I can't do chocolate in the morning. Sounds good though. | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | We serve them with strawberries and whipped cream | 06:29 |
| elnino | costco has dried fruits cheap. Do you have costco or sams club where you are at? | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, Costco | 06:30 |
| elnino | too rich. | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | no Sams Club in Oregon | 06:30 |
| elnino | costco's blueberries are GOOD. | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I also hear you can take two chocolate waffles, and put ice cream in the middle and make your own ice cream sandwiches | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | not that I've _ever_ done that. | 06:30 |
| elnino | oh. THAT sounds good. | 06:30 |
| elnino | I dont' have a waffle machine. I think the batters are different... | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | they are | 06:31 |
| elnino | that's what I thought. =( | 06:31 |
| +perlDreamer | if we try them in pancake format and it works, I'll give you a holler | 06:31 |
| elnino | ok! | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | is that page with the folders on it accessible to the outside world? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm wondering if that's a windows problem, only | 06:35 |
| elnino | well, It can be. =) | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | because it's weird that firefox and IE give the same errors | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | knowmad! | 06:35 |
| knowmad | hey, pd! | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | how are things on the east coast? | 06:35 |
| elnino | I also know that IE has a setting in the registray for how long to wait. I'll open it up. | 06:35 |
| knowmad | wet and cold! | 06:36 |
| knowmad | but we need the rain | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, we do too | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we got a bunch of your snow this year | 06:36 |
| knowmad | are you still in Seattle? | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Portland | 06:36 |
| knowmad | oh, right | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Seattle is too rainy | 06:36 |
| knowmad | yeah, i agree | 06:36 |
| knowmad | so, i'm working on an sql report against data form (v7.5) and am wondering what to do with all the JSON encoded data... | 06:37 |
| knowmad | i'm leaning towards using YUI to manipulate it but haven't messed with that much yet | 06:38 |
| knowmad | anyone have suggestions? | 06:38 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9396 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Fix a leaking test. | 06:39 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9397 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Also leaking a version tag. | 06:39 |
| elnino | not a clue | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know that you'd need to use YUI, straight JS should do the trick | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe try wrapping that field in a script tag | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and go from there? | 06:41 |
| knowmad | ok, i'll try straight js and see how that goes; i'll follow-up on the discussion list... | 06:42 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, but like I mentioned, it onlyoccurs with "admin on" http://www.comtrol.com/products/images/photoshot | 06:49 |
| @tavisto | hey elnino! | 06:50 |
| elnino | hi.... | 06:50 |
| @tavisto | what's new? | 06:50 |
| elnino | not much. | 06:51 |
| elnino | I did hear back, my boss was confused, I asked about what, and that is about all that happened. =( | 06:52 |
| @tavisto | well there's lots of stuff going on right now in my neck of the woods.. We have peeps from all over trying to learn about wG | 06:52 |
| elnino | that's GREAT! | 06:52 |
| @tavisto | most def | 06:52 |
| @tavisto | ah success story.. yes.. so boss was confused about the success story? | 06:52 |
| knowmad | hey tavisto! it looks like JT's going to have you flying all over the place as well | 06:52 |
| elnino | apparantly. | 06:52 |
| @tavisto | hey knowmad, yeah we're doing 3-4 major gigs again this year | 06:53 |
| knowmad | yeah, it looks like some good venues | 06:53 |
| @tavisto | Ad:Tech will be cool, and I'm really excited about EduComm and a Dept of Defense one.. The govie one is the one I want to hit the most | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, no problems for me, elnino | 06:53 |
| @tavisto | how's the wG implementer biz going? | 06:54 |
| @tavisto | well elnino, we'd appreciate it if you can wrangle your boss into a quick meeting or something... Anything to allow us to use that success story | 06:54 |
| knowmad | we're doing fine; we have 3 new sites that have rolled out this year | 06:54 |
| @tavisto | even if we have to change it so he/she is more comfortable | 06:54 |
| knowmad | we ought to be sending you our Press Releases | 06:54 |
| @tavisto | absolutely! | 06:55 |
| knowmad | i'll put a word in to our PR firm to do that | 06:55 |
| * perlDreamer needs to learn about press releases | 06:55 | |
| @tavisto | Knowmad, I'm not sure if you've noticed or not | 06:55 |
| @tavisto | but I added a "WebGUI in the News" page on webgui.org | 06:55 |
| @tavisto | that's going to be a place specifically for that kind of stuff. And specific PR articles about wG | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, I didn't see any pagination, either | 06:55 |
| knowmad | oh, no, i hadn't; that will be great | 06:55 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, I suppose I can just move them to a file folder with a passthru. just weird. | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | all assets on 1 page | 06:56 |
| @tavisto | now that will also go into the partner success page when that program is ready | 06:56 |
| @tavisto | I haven't heard much from the wG partners stuff in awhile | 06:56 |
| elnino | the pagination is when in asset manager. That's how I counted them. =) | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | makes sense | 06:56 |
| @tavisto | in terms of it being rolled out. In the meantime, I want to move all current resellers/providers to a new page called "Affiliates or Providers" | 06:56 |
| elnino | its a default folder template of images with default iamge templates. | 06:56 |
| @tavisto | that way, when people look at success stories, the reseller/affiliates/providers will all be listed in their own category | 06:57 |
| @tavisto | eventually, when the partner program is official then we'll name that page partners of course. | 06:57 |
| knowmad | we've had some discussion; everyone is so damn busy! | 06:57 |
| elnino | I wonder if the page is getting too "Heavy", and they are only going to get bigger images in there. that's a lot of load. I think. | 06:57 |
| knowmad | great! | 06:57 |
| @tavisto | I know, but we need to buckle down and just do it | 06:57 |
| @tavisto | however, one thing that is a requirement | 06:57 |
| knowmad | what's that? | 06:58 |
| @tavisto | is success stories. we need to have enough business success stories so that we can take out the resellers and still have several available. Success stories are the HARDEST DANG THINGS TO GET | 06:58 |
| elnino | sorry. | 06:58 |
| knowmad | that's why we have a PR company | 06:58 |
| elnino | I will call him. | 06:58 |
| @tavisto | I've invested months of my life trying to wrangle them in... We've even hired a PR company and they're hitting the same obstacles | 06:58 |
| @tavisto | elnino, I'm not yelling at you! | 06:58 |
| elnino | =) I know. | 06:59 |
| knowmad | is it approval or quotes or something else? | 06:59 |
| elnino | approval. | 06:59 |
| @tavisto | :) I'm yelling at the 20+ groups we've been grinding on that haven't even gotten as far as the interview for us (or the PR company) to create the stinkin success story | 06:59 |
| @tavisto | currently, PB has 4 stories waiting for approval | 06:59 |
| @tavisto | maybe 5 actually | 06:59 |
| knowmad | we just make it up and let them approve or correct ;) | 07:00 |
| @tavisto | University of MN Law, Comtrol, Fund for the Public Interest (which has 80 wG sites), and a government story | 07:01 |
| @tavisto | hah, knowmad I'm tempted to do that. | 07:01 |
| @tavisto | I remember when I first joined PB in July 07, I figured I could wrap that up in 3 months... get like 20 of em | 07:01 |
| knowmad | oof, that hurts to know they're still out | 07:02 |
| @tavisto | but yeah, one of our requirements is to have success stories available in the business category and enough so that we can take out the resellers and move them to their own section. I can't do that until then | 07:02 |
| @tavisto | knowmad, if you (or anyone else in here) has success stories with your clients, Plain Black will post yours as well. And then give credit to you in the success story of course :) | 07:02 |
| knowmad | you've done that with the Midwest Heart story as well as us | 07:03 |
| knowmad | we'll see what else we can get your way; the CCAC will prob be a good one | 07:03 |
| @tavisto | The goal is to highlight that wG is being successfully deployed in a range of organizations. Thus validating the product so that they want to attend a webinar, call a sales guy, or download/evaluate the product. | 07:03 |
| knowmad | hey, we're getting a monthly by-lined article in one of the local newspapers! | 07:03 |
| @tavisto | sounds good. Send me whatever comes up | 07:04 |
| knowmad | so we have to come up with material at least once a month -- the column is called "Web Solutions" | 07:04 |
| knowmad | yeah, we'll do that | 07:04 |
| @tavisto | excellent. Also if you have "WebGUI in the news" stuff, be sure to send it my way as well. We've been needing a section like that forever since the PB news section is good at eating old news stories (and hiding them) | 07:05 |
| knowmad | i think that's a great idea | 07:05 |
| @tavisto | we've got an analyst briefing on Thursday with Forrester. I'm hoping we'll make a good impression and be considered a major player in the OSS ECMS market | 07:06 |
| knowmad | jmarsden is creating lots of potential news with the ubuntu work he's doing | 07:06 |
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| knowmad | man, that would be great! | 07:06 |
| @tavisto | yeah I've been following the dev emails. That's great! | 07:06 |
| jmarsden | I heard that :) | 07:06 |
| @tavisto | jmarsden, we've got friends at Ubuntu as well. | 07:06 |
| knowmad | good ;) | 07:06 |
| @tavisto | In my last meeting with them, I was told that they actually had WebGUI as one of the top 5 CMS choices for running Ubuntu.com | 07:07 |
| knowmad | i've been following your threads in stealth mode; really appreciate your work on getting wG into Ubuntu | 07:07 |
| jmarsden | Cool; any friends who are MOTUs? If they can review my package on REVU that would really help out right now... | 07:07 |
| knowmad | sorry, i'm not that connected with the Ubuntu devs; just an avid fan and user of the distro | 07:07 |
| jmarsden | OK... I'll keep trying to get a couple of MOTUs interested into to do the review work. | 07:08 |
| @tavisto | hehe... well, that's kind of what I was talking to them about. I think these guys are in the business development layer. I also have contact with Matthew Nuzum who's one of their webmasters. I'm on LinkedIn and if you want to hook up with him and chat, he's a cool dude. | 07:08 |
| @tavisto | Maybe he'd have a good referral for you | 07:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9398 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): | 07:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Prevent Event, WikiPage and Thread from being pasted places where they don't | 07:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: belong. This allows chained method calls to "getMyParent", getParent, getWiki, getCalendar, etc. | 07:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: to work. | 07:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Adds the new canPaste and validParent method to Asset and AssetClipboard. | 07:08 |
| jmarsden | Sounds good to me. | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if only we could get those fedora slackers going now, we'd have half the Linux world covered | 07:09 |
| @tavisto | having wG in Debian and Ubuntu would be excellent marketing ammunition as well | 07:09 |
| @tavisto | yep, I still have your email that talks about there only being 12 modules that would need to be repackaged? | 07:10 |
| knowmad | yes! although i'll still use the WRE for our hosting, it's great to have it | 07:10 |
| jmarsden | Let me get Debian/Ubuntu done first, then I can maybe look at an RPM package... it's been a few years since I did any RPM apckaging though...! | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is that it's not just WebGUI, it's those other 12 modules | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and their prerequisites that all need packaging, too | 07:11 |
| jmarsden | Perl modules from CPAN? | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:11 |
| jmarsden | OK. I think there is a helper script for packaging CPAN stuff into RPMs out there... | 07:11 |
| @tavisto | As WebGUI os fully GPLd I assume that you are looking to | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | provide paid support services or similar ? | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | Because it is GPL'd we can provide access to Ubuntu users through the Partner | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | repo, but a pre-req for this is that there is a deb available, and that the | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | deb passes our quality and build standards. We can help with that for a | 07:13 |
| jmarsden | RPM::Make and cpan2rpm both show up in a quick Google search... | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | charge. | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | If you had a MOTU, someone with commit rights to the Ubuntu Universe | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | repository, then this would enable you to add and maintain with no recourse | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | to Canonical :-) | 07:13 |
| @tavisto | that was the last email I had with Malcom Yates, he manages the ISV relationships | 07:13 |
| jmarsden | Well, I'm sort of on my way to becoming a MOTU... in a few months, I hope... :) | 07:14 |
| @tavisto | Malcom probably won't be as much help as Matthew. But I do think he'll be someone that can help you connect with a MOTU faster than coming in off the street | 07:14 |
| @tavisto | oooh... well that works too! | 07:14 |
| jmarsden | I hang out in #ubuntu-motu and help out... and in #ubuntu-server... slowly getting known there by those folks... | 07:14 |
| @tavisto | that'll be worth some karma rewards, a t-shirt, and a news release on pb.com :) | 07:14 |
| @tavisto | what is the selection criteria? voted in? | 07:14 |
| jmarsden | It's fairly complex, you submit a wiki page decribing the packaging you've done, then an online interview, then a vote by the council, I think it is. | 07:15 |
| jmarsden | There are <100 MOTUs total worldwide at the moment... | 07:16 |
| @tavisto | very cool. | 07:16 |
| jmarsden | So getting webgui into Ubuntu will actually count towards by hoped-for MOTU-ness | 07:16 |
| jmarsden | s/by/my/ | 07:16 |
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| @tavisto | 2 birds -- 1 stone | 07:21 |
| @tavisto | in style. | 07:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9400 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 10:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Made first argument to SurveyJSON contructor $session for consistency | 10:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: with rest of wg. | 10:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Also added Params::Validate validation. | 10:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9401 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Added param validation to all SurveyJSON.pm methods. | 10:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9402 /branch/survey-rfe/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 10:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored ResponseJSON and SurveyJSON | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added Params::Validate to ResponseJSON.pm | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored ResponseJSON constructor and re-ordered params for | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: consistency | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added new ->session accessor | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Updates tests | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9403 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored SurveyJSON for perlcritic compliance. | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Simplified some code, refactored out some C-isms. | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9404 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Updated Survey.pm to use the new SurveyJSON contructor params | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9405 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Moved ResponseJSON data hash to private variable, for security and | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: consistency with SurveyJSON | 10:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added some more accessors/mutators, and param validation | 10:50 |
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| +BartJol | plainhao: I must say, that your day-night rhytm is quiet peculiar | 14:31 |
| * plainhao smiles at bart. | 14:31 | |
| +BartJol | but thanks for the input on my bug | 14:32 |
| @plainhao | no problem, i'd test it out myself, but i'm currently booked on a client right now. | 14:32 |
| * plainhao still needs to figure out how to run multiple versions of wre and wg at the same time... | 14:33 | |
| +BartJol | of the wre, that might be interesting | 14:33 |
| +BartJol | I'm just glad that I got my translation server running on a different version from my installation | 14:34 |
| +BartJol | but different roots should do the trick for you | 14:34 |
| @plainhao | yes, indeed | 14:34 |
| +BartJol | hopefully there's a global root setting | 14:34 |
| @plainhao | right-o | 14:35 |
| * plainhao hopes to figure it out one day soon. | 14:35 | |
| +BartJol | well, that is quite unnessasary for me | 14:35 |
| +BartJol | but a nice experiment\ | 14:35 |
| @plainhao | quite necessary for me, actually, since clients often run older versions, and i'd need to test fixes in different versions. | 14:36 |
| +BartJol | ah | 14:36 |
| * plainhao is surprised no one has come up with instructions already. | 14:36 | |
| +BartJol | just make them upgrade | 14:36 |
| @plainhao | hahaha | 14:36 |
| +BartJol | that second amendment isn't for Jan with the short familyname | 14:37 |
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| +BartJol | just threaten, the US have become big by threatening, why stop now? | 14:39 |
| ryuu_ro | @BartJol great dutchism :) | 14:39 |
| +BartJol | thanks | 14:39 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: : do you know what specific version of WebGUI is running on the WebGUI site? | 15:47 |
| +BartJol | latest stable | 15:47 |
| +BartJol | beta I mean | 15:47 |
| daviddelikat | so that would be 7.6? | 15:47 |
| +BartJol | 7.6.10 | 15:47 |
| daviddelikat | the absolute latest? | 15:47 |
| ryuu_ro | you can check the page source | 15:48 |
| +BartJol | well, not nightly build | 15:48 |
| +BartJol | or page info | 15:48 |
| ryuu_ro | <meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.6.10" /> | 15:48 |
| +BartJol | it says what I say | 15:48 |
| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 15:48 |
| +BartJol | and it's kinda PB's policy to run latest beta | 15:48 |
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| daviddelikat | tavisto: do you know if there is anything different about your uid on WebGUI? | 17:07 |
| daviddelikat | i'm workign on | 17:07 |
| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and it seems that ounly ~you~ are targetted by this unique behaviour. | 17:07 |
| @tavisto | hmmm, well nothing is different as far as I know | 17:08 |
| daviddelikat | are you able to see trhe pictures? | 17:09 |
| @tavisto | I'll check and see | 17:09 |
| chupacabra | webgui took over mysql and my other sites couldn't get to it. | 17:09 |
| SDuensin | Greetings, all. | 17:09 |
| @tavisto | I can see the thumbnail, but I am also redirected to a blank screen when I click on it | 17:10 |
| daviddelikat | ok thats the same behaviour I'm getting. | 17:10 |
| daviddelikat | do you use any odd settings in your pictures or albums? | 17:11 |
| daviddelikat | that is anything besides default settings | 17:11 |
| @tavisto | well I checked the album and don't see any crazy settings | 17:15 |
| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 17:16 |
| @tavisto | I have a feeling this was probably caused by some sort of beta bug back around the time I posted it. I can even see the larger version by clicking on slideshow | 17:16 |
| daviddelikat | there are five pictures that you posted tho, and they all do the same thing | 17:17 |
| daviddelikat | sorrry, four pictures | 17:17 |
| daviddelikat | oh, I guess they were all posted the same day... | 17:18 |
| daviddelikat | would you mind postinga picture today and see if it does the same? | 17:18 |
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| @tavisto | sure, what albums would you like me to do that in | 17:20 |
| daviddelikat | one of the two albums you alreadyt have is fine | 17:21 |
| daviddelikat | how can i get gallary advanced search to give me anything on a date? | 17:22 |
| daviddelikat | does it use wildcards in the text fields? | 17:22 |
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| daviddelikat | dates do not work in album search | 17:30 |
| daviddelikat | it says they were all created 12/31/69 | 17:30 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. yeah, not sure about that one | 17:30 |
| daviddelikat | hows that picture posting? | 17:32 |
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| @tavisto | hey daviddelikat, just posted a test pic under license plate club album | 18:04 |
| @tavisto | sorry, have about a million things going on atm | 18:05 |
| daviddelikat | no problem, thanks for your time. | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat, it | 18:05 |
| daviddelikat | tag? | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | 's not a problem with things posted by tavis, it's a problem with images with keywords | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | gallery used the 'keywords' template variable previously as an arrayref | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | without initializing it | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | the change to asset->get to add keywords means that now is broken | 18:06 |
| daviddelikat | so if I add a keyword to an image it should break it... | 18:07 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto watches as Grahams words fly right over his head* | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | correct | 18:08 |
| @tavisto | wooooosh | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | just having it initialize as an arrayref before using it is probably the best solution | 18:08 |
| * daviddelikat is testing | 18:08 | |
| daviddelikat | yup, that did it. | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 781 | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat | I'll work on impl that fix you mentioned... | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | tavisto, it isn't actually magic you know! | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat | oh come on it's magic | 18:09 |
| @tavisto | ey' BartJol, how are you... you big girly man! | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | me, girly, oh well, at leat I'm not metrosexual | 18:10 |
| @tavisto | Metro Man and Girl Man | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | except my cold, I am fine | 18:10 |
| @tavisto | Girly Man | 18:10 |
| @tavisto | I have one too.. it stinks | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | looking forward to my new house and your visit | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | and your beer drinking course | 18:11 |
| +BartJol | since you suck at that, during the WUC you'll be able to say "I drink beer like a Dutchie!" | 18:11 |
| +BartJol | all in a fortnight | 18:12 |
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| +BartJol | but since when am I baptised "Girly man"? | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | tavisto? I know you're busy, but don't just insult me and run away, we never run when we insult you | 18:14 |
| +BartJol | it is way too much fun to see you fed up with being called metro | 18:15 |
| Lisette | webgui support web services? | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | oh and Koen is a father! | 18:16 |
| @tavisto | BartJol, you have always been the big dutch girly man. This is not something new? | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | Lisette: there WAS a webservices client wobject | 18:16 |
| @tavisto | That's cool about Koen!!! Woohoo | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | oh,ok hten | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | it's a girl and she is called Emma | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | I believe she can't program perl yet | 18:17 |
| @tavisto | Ah good, not sure there's enough room in the world for 2 Koen | 18:17 |
| Lisette | where i found? | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | certainly not | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | well Lisette I was talking past time, so probably it's hard to find | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | It was in the menu with the new content stuff | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | Lisette, in the changlog I see that Thingy should be able to behave like a Web Service | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | but I don't know how it works | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | or whether it is the same | 18:22 |
| +BartJol | have to go, adieu! | 18:26 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: so I noticed when I was digging into the gallary bug that picture dates on the advenced search page are all the same and also the date search does not work. | 18:36 |
| daviddelikat | a) should I generate a bug report for this? b) shoud I go ahead and work on it? | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | both sound good to me | 18:37 |
| daviddelikat | ok | 18:37 |
| daviddelikat | btw the keyword fix worked nicely... | 18:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm going to fix up the AssetExport test today, then finish the Survey help. If you want me to look at a bug instead, please give me a holler | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | using bash, how do I redirect stderr and stdout from 1 command into a file? | 19:04 |
| daviddelikat | ls > file 2>&1 # I think this works in bash | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried this: perl someTest 2>&1 > file | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and I still get stderr in the terminal | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll reorder and try again | 19:05 |
| daviddelikat | you have to put '1>file' first because 2>&1 is just an assignment | 19:05 |
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| daviddelikat | kind of like saying stderr = stdout then stdout = filedes(somefile) | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, daviddelikat! that works. | 19:07 |
| daviddelikat | np | 19:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9406 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change | 19:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9407 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, we're not making any more changes to 7.5 | 19:52 |
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| daviddelikat | oops | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat | I didn't getthat memo | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | not a problem, just save you some backporting in the future | 19:58 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 19:58 |
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| deafferret | lazyweb/win 22 | 20:07 |
| deafferret | oops | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | ww | 20:07 |
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| topsub | When i am calling $session->datetime->epochToHuman when i send it a $date_format can i send a comman to it to seperate it? | 21:41 |
| topsub | i can't seem to get a comman to insert to separate the output.. So instead of Feb 02 2009 i can get Feb 02, 2009 | 21:42 |
| _elnino_ | did you try to escape it with a slash? | 21:43 |
| _elnino_ | I don't think youshould have to though. | 21:43 |
| topsub | ah. i didn't think i would have to escape it.. Let me try that | 21:43 |
| _elnino_ | make sure to surround the format with quotes of some sort. | 21:43 |
| topsub | $date_format = '%c %D\, %y';. should i use double? | 21:44 |
| _elnino_ | no, that should be fine, just as long as it's surrounded, and it proably would have yelled at you if you didn't. And I'mreally surprised if you have to escape a comma, but maybe it'll work.. | 21:45 |
| topsub | arg. i got it, i was doing it in the wrong place | 21:46 |
| topsub | This macro has been refactor'd so many times... thanks _elnino | 21:46 |
| _elnino_ | no problem. I don't think I helped any. =) | 21:47 |
| topsub | eh you did input which is enough for me | 21:47 |
| topsub | to confirm i can use a comman | 21:47 |
| _elnino_ | YAY! | 21:47 |
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| wgGuest15 | reyqe | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | ery | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | aefga | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | hrwtj | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | hello | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | how is everyone | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | ddddddd | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | d | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | dd | 22:22 |
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| wgGuest15 | d | 22:22 |
| wgGuest15 | anyone there? | 22:23 |
| @bpmedley | what's up? | 22:23 |
| _elnino_ | hi. | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest, are you having keyboard problems? | 22:24 |
| _elnino_ | hello wgGuest15? | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | bake any cookies yet, _elnino_? | 22:33 |
| wgGuest15 | asdfad | 22:34 |
| wgGuest15 | dfasdfzs | 22:34 |
| _elnino_ | I was thinking about it, I was telling tavisto, I ahve all the time in the world now too. economy hit me today. | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no! | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm so sorry, _elnino_. | 22:35 |
| _elnino_ | That's alright. Now I can finish off some projects at home before #2. and webgui has my full attention. | 22:36 |
| * perlDreamer prepares for a blast of bugs | 22:36 | |
| _elnino_ | =) | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Is your husband still working? | 22:42 |
| _elnino_ | as far as I know =) he's got two, he's in the guard and works for a school district. School district is in the middle of a 7 million cut. His boss says that he's there to stay. | 22:44 |
| _elnino_ | my company laid off 25% of personell. ouch. | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | 25%? That's huge! | 22:44 |
| _elnino_ | we *were* a 60 person company.. list was crazy, they got rid of meat instead of fat. Our best sales guy, best of marketing, 2/3 of IT and 1/2 software enginering. managmeent, hw enginnering and blood relative and friends stayed. | 22:46 |
| _elnino_ | crazy. | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds pretty sycophantic | 22:46 |
| _elnino_ | it's a private company, things like that happens. You get used to it. | 22:49 |
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| _elnino_ | I think wgGuest15's cat just laid down on his keyboard. | 22:49 |
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| * deafferret is not an op :( | 22:51 | |
| _elnino_ | define op | 22:52 |
| deafferret | /mode +o deafferret | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Someone with a star next to their name, short for channel operator | 22:52 |
| deafferret | /kick wgGuest15 | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | they have to power to kick people out of the channel, ban people, change status of people | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of like IRC sysadmins | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, AssetExportHtml and i18n/help are passing, moving on to hardcoded extras, and then probably to dotted assetIds | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | nice | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | time to learn about wgdev :) | 22:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9409 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: | 22:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Remove tests for file content that do not work because files stream. | 22:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Update error message in test to match how the code works. | 22:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Survey.pm: Remove old help for the survey that is broken, and not used anymore. | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, when I run wgd edit templateUrl, it tells me that there are no assets to edit and dies | 23:18 |
| @Haarg | is there a specific template you are trying? | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | /root/import/survey/default-survey-edit | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | the thing is that it's checking against @_, which is empty for that sub | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | ah | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | yeah, should be $self->arguments | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and the check moved up before it accesses $self->argument? | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | actually | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | it should be @files in there | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | in the check that is | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | you want a patch for that? | 23:22 |
| @Haarg | nah, i've got it | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I feel like I walked into Home Depot for WebGUI | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd is so flexible and powerful | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/commit/5b92fede397edda4d7662da137a76a225b387732 | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | i rather like it :) | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | title and meta tags go _inside_ the head block, right? | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | yes | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | something in the template parser is making YAML puke | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not adding a newline to the end of the YAML section | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | in the serializer | 23:34 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't puke for me | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm having YAML problems | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | it could be the yaml version yeah | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have YAML.pm, 0.66 | 23:36 |
| SynQ | I bring good news | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | WebgUI is in Ubuntu? | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | try installing YAML::XS | 23:37 |
| SynQ | I have a daughter named Emma! | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Since WGDev tries to be YAML agnostic, how about a check and conditional newline append? | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa! | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Congratulations, SynQ | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | congrats SynQ | 23:37 |
| SynQ | thanks | 23:37 |
| * SynQ very very proud | 23:38 | |
| +perlDreamer | Pictures? | 23:38 |
| SynQ | no pictures yet | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Tessa come through okay? | 23:38 |
| SynQ | haven't had any time yet | 23:38 |
| SynQ | Tessa is fine | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | how is Koen doing? | 23:38 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'm going to double check to make sure it works with all the yaml modules it tries to use | 23:38 |
| SynQ | bit tired of course | 23:38 |
| SynQ | but so am I (tired) | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | just remember, they smile and giggle when you undo the diaper because they are going to try and crap all over you | 23:39 |
| SynQ | this was the first chance I got to touch my computer | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | when was she born? | 23:40 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: I know | 23:40 |
| SynQ | yesterday five to three | 23:40 |
| SynQ | so 32 hours ago | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome, SynQ. | 23:41 |
| SynQ | I'll have pictures on line by the weekend I think | 23:41 |
| SynQ | think/hope | 23:41 |
| SynQ | she has her own domain name | 23:41 |
| SynQ | emmadejonge.nl | 23:41 |
| SynQ | it will be a webgui site of course | 23:41 |
| SynQ | the best platform to build a site about and for your offspring :) | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | undoubtedly | 23:44 |
| SynQ | I'm gonna take a Emma with Gooey picture every week | 23:44 |
| SynQ | and e-mail the url to JT :P | 23:44 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:44 |
| SynQ | gotta run | 23:45 |
| SynQ | later | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | see you! | 23:45 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, can you try installing YAML::XS until i can fix it properly? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | i think so | 23:46 |
| * perlDreamer breaks out yum FTW | 23:47 | |
| @Haarg | it will be nice when the next rev of YAML comes out | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | it's going to work like JSON does, using the XS version if possible, and falling back on the perl version | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | nice. So I gotta ask, why did you choose YAML over JSON? | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | prettier :) | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | since the idea was for it to be human edittable i wanted something more readable | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | i'm still not certain if i want to change the whole serialized format | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | It's not bad, quite readable | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | i'd like if we could have something universal though | 23:50 |
| @Haarg | for wgfs and such as well | 23:50 |
| topsub | How can i edit email template that are sent to a user when they buy something? i can't seem to find it | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the email confirmation in the ITransact plugin | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so Admin -> Shop -> Pay Drivers | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | looks like I need to write a bad gateway macro test, too | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | seeing lots of ^/;assetUrl | 00:02 |
| jlittlewood | hi folks. I'm trying to figure something out with users/groups and ldap | 00:02 |
| jlittlewood | not a technical issue really, but a, well, issue of how to best make something happen | 00:03 |
| jlittlewood | we've got it set up so that the login is thru ldap, and only people in ldap can login | 00:03 |
| jlittlewood | but we want them to get automatically entered into a specific webGUI group | 00:03 |
| jlittlewood | and we don't want to change our ldap set up | 00:03 |
| jlittlewood | so I used the ^GroupAdd(); macro to put a little link on the login page | 00:04 |
| jlittlewood | but it's a little unseemingly there | 00:04 |
| jlittlewood | anyway to get webgui to add someone to a group as soon as they log in, no other steps necessary? | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you mean login, or register? | 00:05 |
| jlittlewood | login | 00:05 |
| jlittlewood | they are already in ldap | 00:05 |
| jlittlewood | or am I missing your question? | 00:05 |
| jlittlewood | this is a staff-only page | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | well, people will login several times per week, so it would keep adding them to your group | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess that's not bad | 00:05 |
| jlittlewood | but they'd already be in there, right? | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | In the WebGUI config file, there is an entry for runOnLogin. I think it will do what you want. | 00:07 |
| jlittlewood | hunh! | 00:07 |
| jlittlewood | cool | 00:07 |
| jlittlewood | what can I make it do? | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it will run a script when the user logs in | 00:07 |
| _elnino_ | OOH I just read about this in the admin book.. There is something in settings that will auto register ldap employees.... | 00:07 |
| jlittlewood | aha | 00:07 |
| _elnino_ | want me to go find it? | 00:08 |
| @Haarg | macros are processed in the runOnLogin command | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | No just tease him a little more so he goes out and buys a book ;) | 00:08 |
| jlittlewood | haha | 00:08 |
| jlittlewood | I have it | 00:08 |
| jlittlewood | I didn't think to look in the config | 00:08 |
| _elnino_ | It's a *NICE* feature! | 00:08 |
| @Haarg | so that's how you can pass the username/uid/anything else to the script | 00:08 |
| _elnino_ | there's two radio buttons, enable both, and you'll get what you want I believe. | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | he already has that i believe | 00:09 |
| jlittlewood | yeah, this is the next step to make it seemless | 00:09 |
| jlittlewood | seamless | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure i understand the problem though | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | if only ldap users can log in | 00:09 |
| jlittlewood | but on the site | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | and you want them all to be in a group | 00:10 |
| jlittlewood | there will be a mix of "everyone" accessable pages | 00:10 |
| jlittlewood | and "staff" accessible pages | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | how would that be different from the registered users group? | 00:10 |
| _elnino_ | you can build groups based off of ldap groups. | 00:10 |
| jlittlewood | if we allow posts on blogs, etc | 00:10 |
| jlittlewood | wouldn't they also be registered users? | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | well, you can allow visitors to post to blogs | 00:11 |
| _elnino_ | anyone/everyone who logs in, is is considered a registered user. | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | but you said only ldap users could log in | 00:11 |
| jlittlewood | no, you are right | 00:11 |
| _elnino_ | everyone is "public" and "registered user" | 00:11 |
| jlittlewood | hmm | 00:11 |
| _elnino_ | I'll restate that differently: the "everyone" group includes "public" and "registered users" | 00:12 |
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| jlittlewood | word, that might be just the ticket | 00:12 |
| jlittlewood | you people rock my world sometimes | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, hardcoded extras are all fixed, while I'm in this mode, I'm going to make a test for bad gateway macros next. | 00:18 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9411 /WebGUI/t/hardcodedExtras.t: Make test pass when there are no failures. Yes, it does seem strange. | 00:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9412 /WebGUI/docs/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Fix hardcoded extras URLs in templates and in extra head tags in assets. | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | heh | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | we already have a test for the gateway macros, but it was looking for them in the headBlock :/ | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | fixed the test, and upgraded 4 more templates | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | time to look at dotted assetIds | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems like we should have a check someplace for valid assetIds when they are passed in to be created. | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I'm thinking of just using copy/paste to fix the assetIds. Copy, paste, then delete the original. | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | however, doing that will lose the version history and asset history | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | any concerns with that? | 00:43 |
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| @Haarg | let me check one thing | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | ok | 00:44 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason you want to avoid using sql directly? | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | it's not very pretty | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | but you'll have to update anything using the templates as well | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that has to be done in any case | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking laziness | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | copy/paste will update all asset tables for me | 00:46 |
| @Haarg | well, upgrade_7.6.0-7.6.1.pl fixShortAssetIds uses sql directly | 00:47 |
| @Haarg | although i missed assetHistory | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and believe it or not, there are no templates with dotted assetIds | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | just Snippets (referenced by url) | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | which means that copy/paste will break tht | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll use SQL | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | there are only 4 types of assets that need to be fixed | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Navigation, Folder, Snippet and Image | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | so just a handful of tables | 00:49 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 00:49 |
| @Haarg | folder will be tricky | 00:49 |
| @Haarg | well, not tricky | 00:49 |
| @Haarg | but you'll have to hit parentId in asset as well | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. | 00:50 |
| @Haarg | lineage shouldn't need to be rebuilt though | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that should be fine | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | we could break AssetProxy's though, since you can optionally specify an assetId for that | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think anything in the core does that, though | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | that's a new feature as well, so i'm not too worried | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | and i doubt you'd be assetproxying any of that stuff | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the navigations, but not the folder, Images or snippets | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | well, maybe the snippets | 00:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9413 /WebGUI/t/templateChecker.t: | 00:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Update the templateChecker test to look at extra head tags instead of the defunct | 00:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: headBlock. Add URL to the output to make working with wgd easy. | 00:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9414 /WebGUI/docs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fix broken gateway macros. ^/;file does not work with prevent proxy cache. | 00:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, There are more De Jonge's in the world today :) | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Koen has a new baby daughter, Emma | 00:58 |
| _elnino_ | does synq=koen? | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 01:01 |
| patspam | ah fantastic! | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | He was the tall, skinny fellow from The Netherlands | 01:01 |
| patspam | she kept him waiting a while :) | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | was she late? | 01:01 |
| patspam | yeah I think she was expected last week | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's not bad | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | they have a variance of +/- 2 weeks easily | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | s/variance/spread/ | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm learning far more than I ever expected, since Kathy is trying to go to midwife school. | 01:03 |
| patspam | awesome, such an important job | 01:04 |
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| metanil | what makes WebGUI better than other popular CMS like Drupal, Joomla?? ( I came up with only one answer.. i.e. i like perl.. but are there any other reasons?) | 01:18 |
| deafferret | metanil: you don't like Python? ;) | 01:20 |
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| deafferret | metanil: (Hi! I'm Jay Hannah) | 01:20 |
| metanil | hey jay.. whats up? | 01:21 |
| deafferret | Just working and waiting for perlDreamer to excercise | 01:21 |
| metanil | (see i sometime come up with weird question in this room). ;) | 01:21 |
| * perlDreamer already snuck out, deafferret! | 01:21 | |
| deafferret | :) | 01:21 |
| deafferret | "jhannah" was already registered to some bone-head (probably me years ago), and I couldn't convince NickServ to hand it to me | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so how did you come up with "deafferret" as a nick? | 01:22 |
| deafferret | I had a deaf ferret in college. | 01:22 |
| metanil | cool! | 01:22 |
| metanil | :D | 01:23 |
| deafferret | he was hard to scare when sleeping :) | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, what makes WebGUI better than the PHP set of CMSes? (Drupal, Joomla, etc.) | 01:24 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto punches perlDreamer in the head for asking a dumb question* | 01:24 |
| * perlDreamer is just a dumb perl hacker who has never looked at the others | 01:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | back in 2001, if one used PHP one was asking for hackage | 01:25 |
| metanil | same here. | 01:25 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, I can't say that WebGUI is better than php CMSes solely because of the language | 01:25 |
| metanil | perlDreamer: just forward that punch to me sent by tavisto | 01:25 |
| @tavisto | I'll let you developers argue about that | 01:26 |
| deafferret | Drupal doesn't hand out purple octopii at Yet Another Perl Conferences... | 01:26 |
| @tavisto | One big difference that I can tell you about is the core software functionality | 01:26 |
| @tavisto | Joomla and Drupal use a minimal core package and then require you to install lots of 3rd party goodies | 01:27 |
| metanil | yeah i have that purple octopus in my desk. | 01:27 |
| deafferret | *in*?? Gooey can't breathe! He must be displayed proudly *on* your desk! | 01:27 |
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| @tavisto | these third party goodies (aka plug-ins o' death) are a major pain to keep updated, and often times do not necessarily come from certified sources | 01:28 |
| metanil | in => on | 01:28 |
| @tavisto | and, if the maintainer decides to stop upgrading the wiki module, and you upgrade your core, well... you may or may not have a working wiki | 01:28 |
| metanil | actually ON my speaker | 01:28 |
| metanil | tavisto: true. | 01:29 |
| @tavisto | WebGUI includes all of the applications in the core software, therefore upgrades are easy and do not require you to manage 30 plugins each time you do it | 01:29 |
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| @tavisto | other differences... I'm told Joomla and Drupal api's and such is much more chaotic because of the huge # of devs working on just about everything | 01:30 |
| @tavisto | but again I only soak up stuff I hear from WebGUI peeps. So maybe that's untrue and/or biased. :) | 01:30 |
| metanil | seems like true to me.. | 01:31 |
| metanil | (may be because i am already get used to webgui) | 01:31 |
| @tavisto | Drupal now has a commercially supported version of their product now. It's serviced through that {Aquios) company or whatever it is | 01:32 |
| @tavisto | However, a good portion of the PHP community CMSes out there don't have a centralized company behind them. If something is only community based, it's not going to cut it in the enterprise (where you need guaranteed service levels) | 01:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | One advantage all of those php ones have is ease of installation - you can pick prettymuch any hosting account and install them. That's probably one of the biggest issues with WebGUI when it comes to convincing people to go with it. | 01:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | I love webgui, but that one is what is preventing it from hitting mainstream imho | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Radix-wrk, in that case, it's not just WebGUI, it would be any modperl app. | 01:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | until it's available via cpanel or plesk or whatever else is used by hosting accounts, it's going to get limited use in comparison | 01:35 |
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| * perlDreamer puts on the Pointer Sisters record -> I'm just spinning doing the Patspam dance | 01:44 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, dotted assetIds fixed | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | where next? | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | cool | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | i don't know, i'm working on improving the upgrade script atm | 01:45 |
| patspam | heh sorry, Helen turned on my laptop which started competiting with me for my irc login | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | "Helen"? | 01:45 |
| deafferret | patspam death match! | 01:45 |
| patspam | helen = my partner | 01:46 |
| @preaction_ | like, tag-team partner? are you a wrestler? | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'll try the Survey gateway problem next. | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | We're running out of core bugs to work on | 01:50 |
| patspam | heh, i have cycling bib-knicks that look like the greco-roman wrestling costume | 01:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity | 02:00 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you have any luck with that survey issue? | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | some | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I have determined that the problem is in javascript | 02:29 |
| @Haarg | fun | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and I just turned on firebug to test it | 02:29 |
| patspam | perlDreamer: i might be able to help with that | 02:29 |
| patspam | will be back in 30mins if you're still working on it | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9416 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl): | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix dotted assetIds in the database for the WebGUI 7 Style snippets, navigations, | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: folder and Image assets. | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9417 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): fixed #9623: preload.custom paths not included during upgrade | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revert last two commits, no more development of WebGUI 7.5 | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9419 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the administersurvery javascript, and administersurvey/comm.js | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored createSurveyOrder in ResponseJSON | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added lastSectionIndex, lastQuestionIndex, lastAswerIndex convenience | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: methods to SurveyJSON to simplify iterations over Sections, Questions | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: and Answers | 02:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9420 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Improved createSurveyOrder documentation, and made perlcritic happy | 02:30 |
| patspam | from memory survey used to write out the gateway url to a js variable on the page | 02:30 |
| patspam | it was pretty hacky. not sure if your bug is related to that | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | in this case, the gateway is ignored completely | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | when submitting data from a page in the survey | 02:32 |
| patspam | yep, i think the js gateway variable isn't being used atm | 02:32 |
| patspam | maybe put that hack back in, and then I'll replace it with a clean solution when i get to the Javascript in my survey refactoring (halfway through the perl code atm) | 02:32 |
| patspam | bbl | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | how do I setup a WebGUI server with a non-slash gateway URL? | 02:41 |
| @preaction_ | edit the gatewayUrl in the config file, and put the webgui modperl directives in a <Location /gatewayUrl> block | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | would you believe that all the old URLs still work? | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | now I can go to /site_map, or gate/site_map and both work | 02:51 |
| @Haarg | not really a suprize | 02:51 |
| @preaction_ | did you remove the webgui modperl directives from outside that location block? if not, then yes | 02:51 |
| @preaction_ | in fact, i think gatewayUrl is really only used to create URLs with, webgui doesn't do any checking using it (it tries to remove it if it's there, but if it's not it doesn't care) | 02:52 |
| @Haarg | you could always blacklist urls using a rewrite rule since you only need this for testing | 02:53 |
| @Haarg | we're currently at 2 pages + 1 bug | 02:53 |
| @Haarg | and one of those bugs is something i'll fix as part of the release process | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | how many of those are core bugs, and how many are bazaar, bugboard, webgui.org bugs? | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and two translation bugs | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | one of which I think we fixed by moving D::Dumper to using pureperl | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but needs to be tested | 02:54 |
| @preaction_ | once stuff settles down on my current project, i'll be hammering out helpdesk bugs and rfes, that thing has officially pissed me off for the last time | 02:54 |
| @preaction_ | it is destroying me and my programmers' efficiency | 02:55 |
| @preaction_ | also, if i were to create some webgui API quick-reference pages, which one would you two like first? | 02:56 |
| @preaction_ | i'm thinking that building forms would be the best, or users and groups | 02:56 |
| @Haarg | i count around 20 core bugs | 02:56 |
| @Haarg | is this for anything in particular? | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I had been thinking there were only about 8 | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but obviously I miscounted badly | 02:58 |
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| @preaction_ | another one could be "Content" (content and URL handlers + the Asset API) | 02:58 |
| @preaction_ | i mean, how often have we looked at the API as a whole and seen what's really there? | 02:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | you don't write tests very often, do you? :) | 02:59 |
| @Haarg | not long ago i wrote a quick overview of the package and api | 03:00 |
| @preaction_ | heh, i don't work on core very often, but even then we're only looking at part of the whole | 03:00 |
| @Haarg | mainly going over the various parts of the api, nothing about how to use each part | 03:00 |
| @preaction_ | my two ideas are: quick-ref sheets and a "WebGUI Module Map" detailing what parts are there, which are API and which are plugins | 03:01 |
| @Haarg | i have to do something like that for the wuc | 03:01 |
| @preaction_ | which one? | 03:01 |
| @Haarg | webgui api overview | 03:02 |
| @preaction_ | i want to do the map first, so we can pool our efforts | 03:02 |
| @Haarg | i just emailed you the thing i wrote up, may or may not be relevant to what you are talking about | 03:02 |
| @preaction_ | ok | 03:02 |
| @preaction_ | yes, that is very relevant | 03:03 |
| @preaction_ | in fact, what i want is just an expanded version of this. getting people introduced to WebGUI and where to look for things and (for me) a quick reminder of things so i don't have to read teh code all the time | 03:04 |
| * perlDreamer is looking forward to some API consistency in wG 8 | 03:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | new, create, getId everywhere | 03:05 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, can you think of a good reason for wgdev to not convert all the line endings of text fields to unix style? | 03:19 |
| +perlDreamer | text fields? like in templates? | 03:20 |
| @Haarg | everything it sticks into text blocks | 03:20 |
| @Haarg | which is anything using HTMLArea, Textarea, or Codearea | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know what the designers use for editing templates. Would it mess them up? | 03:20 |
| @Haarg | they use WebGUI at this point | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see any reason not to change them | 03:21 |
| +perlDreamer | even if we were to have wgfs someday, we could do newline translation in the fs layer | 03:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | dinner break | 03:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | back | 04:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did it! | 04:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9421 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Replaced ResponseJSON's implementation of shuffle with List::Util's | 04:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: shuffle and updated Colin's ninja shuffle tests | 04:30 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9422 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the exitURL redirection when a survey is completed and the site uses a gateway url. | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, you might want to pull in 9422 into the survey-rfe branch | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I actually figured it out, which was easy since it was a problem in the perl and not the JS. | 04:38 |
| daviddelikat | where can i look to find database table definitions? | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the hard way that always works: docs/create.sql | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought that somebody made a schema page on webgui.org | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the wiki? | 04:41 |
| daviddelikat | that is exactly what i was hoping for | 04:42 |
| daviddelikat | I don't see anything usefull so far in the wiki... | 04:42 |
| daviddelikat | aha! | 04:42 |
| @preaction_ | there's a db-schema page somewhere on the site | 04:42 |
| @preaction_ | i think the wiki has a link | 04:42 |
| daviddelikat | i did find it, but I think the sql files may be easier to search... | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema | 04:43 |
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| @tavisto | wow, I've been wondering about the DB schema thing for so long | 05:49 |
| @tavisto | people have asked me that in the past and I've never known the answer to it | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: re the untitled bug, I found this: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic72095.html | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9644 | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds like purely a client issue with windows | 06:01 |
| +perlDreamer | we can't do much about it | 06:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to post some URLs for help, then close it out. | 06:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did close that bug, and am now working on the advanced search | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it's missing code for the date search | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll finish it up tomorrow. | 07:07 |
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| +BartJol | hi binyamin | 13:44 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I'm not able to remove stuff from my site | 15:05 |
| +BartJol | can't call method"setScratch" on a undefined vale at .../AseetTrash.pm line 256 | 15:06 |
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| topsub2003 | In a collaboration system. what table in the database stores who can post, post a thread, and edit the asset? so far haven't found it in the database | 16:04 |
| +BartJol | isn't that in the assetData table: | 16:07 |
| topsub2003 | i see who can edit, but not who can post to a thread in assetData | 16:07 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 16:07 |
| topsub2003 | seems there is another table i am missing. looking atm trying to find it | 16:08 |
| +BartJol | I don't see a canEdit method in the API... | 16:13 |
| +BartJol | topsub2003: there is a postGroupId in the collaboration table | 16:15 |
| topsub2003 | hmm Does that handle who can post threads and such? | 16:16 |
| +BartJol | yes that table handles that | 16:16 |
| topsub2003 | ah wait.. there is a canStartThreadGroupId | 16:16 |
| +BartJol | there is also a group .... indeed! | 16:16 |
| +BartJol | that one | 16:17 |
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| topsub | anyone know were the email template for when you bought something is stored? | 17:04 |
| topsub | in that email we are getting "You were sent a message from Visitor." and not sure why and wondering if its in the email template | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | topsub: I see some templates in root> Import node > Shop | 17:14 |
| topsub | oh, i guess i was trying to find it via admin console >> shop | 17:16 |
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| +BartJol | topsub: but you did find it now? | 17:18 |
| +BartJol | well, the messages are in the payment plugin settings | 17:18 |
| topsub | ah, so it might be in the paydriver were that message is coming from | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | yes | 17:23 |
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| topsub | thanks bartJol! | 17:25 |
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| +BartJol | no problem! | 17:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks! | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | morning, already knew that Koen is a father perlDreamer? | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, he came into channel yesterday to tell us about Emma | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | we've been spreading the word | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: Have you bought your house yet? | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | still in the process, will take a month or two | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | it's starting to get annoying | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the holdup? | 18:18 |
| +BartJol | well, before a contract could be signed, wherein I promise to buy took very long (1.5 month) | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | and now I get money from the government, but before they approve my request will also take 1.5 months | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | but maybe quicker, if I'm lucky | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | The government buys your house for you? | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | partially | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have to pay them back for it? | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | you can get money, if you're 18+, don't have a lot of money and are burying your first house (which can't be too expensive) | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | nope | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | it's a great rule | 18:22 |
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| jlittlewood | hey all -- within webgui, is there any way to dynamically add users to a group based off a regular expression or something? | 18:34 |
| jlittlewood | like "all registered users with @blarg.org in their username will become part of the Blarg.org group" | 18:35 |
| @preaction_ | jlittlewood: look in the group edit screen, there's a way to detect users in a group based on an SQL query | 18:35 |
| jlittlewood | cool, will do | 18:36 |
| jlittlewood | thanks | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | but do you have to do that again and again? well, than you can make a workflow | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, the group definition is dynamic | 18:36 |
| @preaction_ | BartJol: the sql query is re-run periodically (cache timeout) | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:36 |
| @preaction_ | that's why it's just "detect" users, it's not "add" users. you can still assign specific users to that group | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, could I send you a patch for adding an --assetid option to wgdev edit? I don't always know the URL to an asset. | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | sure | 18:37 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, if you want commit access to the repo at any point just let me know | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg. I'd like to practice messing up my own git repo before I start messing up anyone else's though :D I'm not fully git compliant yet. | 18:44 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9423 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm): Fix broken subfolder synopsis template variable in the Folder. | 19:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9424 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Dates in the galley advanced search were ignored. | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm stuck on bug fixing. | 19:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: got any interesting bugs? | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | the IE6 transaction manager bug looks interesting, but I don't have a copy of IE6 to test with | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm wondering if the assetManager is broken, too, since they both use the DataTable | 20:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, you need qemu and a XP image. | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a copy of VirtualBox. | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | then it's just the XP. | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder what it costs down the road... | 20:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, which I think MS has started charging "one million dollars!!" for, in an effort to discourage not using their latest crapware. | 20:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I don't see an IE bug listed. | 20:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, 9611 | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9611 | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | is IE6 also in SP3, or do I need something older than that? | 20:27 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the other office and sign some refinance papers, bbiaw | 20:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | deafferret, no exercise involved, you're clear | 20:33 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, anyone ran 7.6.11's testEnvironment? It seems to have a major memory leak at the end of it. At least on 64 bit Fedora. | 20:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Using the 8.5 wre | 20:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, weird, the run up in memory happens after the very last execution in the app. | 20:40 |
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| bernd__ | Haarg, the character encoding problem still persists! | 21:13 |
| @Haarg | you are using the latest translationserver.cgi? | 21:14 |
| bernd__ | No. | 21:14 |
| bernd__ | Going to update instantly. | 21:14 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, xp sp3 is still ie6 | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll see about getting a copy today or tomorrow | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | in the meantime, how do I setup a dashboard? | 21:29 |
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| bernd__ | Haarg, it works! | 21:37 |
| bernd__ | Thanks for reacting promptly! | 21:37 |
| @Haarg | after adding the dashboard, you paste shortcuts as children of it iirc | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try that | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, I see now | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | You make shortcuts | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | then you go to the dashboard and hit Add New Content, which brings up a menu of stuff to add | 22:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for me to head back to the main office and get some lunch, bbiaw, all | 22:24 |
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| Lisette | there is an example of soaplistener for Web service client? | 22:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, now that we have a workaround/fix for the translation encoding, do we need to do anything special to close out the bug that refers to it? | 23:14 |
| @Haarg | no | 23:14 |
| @Haarg | i closed it already | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | even better :) | 23:14 |
| Lisette | how to do to obtain the response of a webservie with web service client? | 23:21 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i ended up doing the asset id option to wgd edit a bit different | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll do a pull | 00:05 |
| @Haarg | now it just tries using the param as an id first, and as a url if it doesn't work | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that's nice, you can mix on the commandline | 00:06 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you could probably use session->id->valid as a safe first pass check | 00:06 |
| @Haarg | probably | 00:06 |
| @Haarg | it currently just checks for / | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's even simpler | 00:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the dashboard bug fixed | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to try the hover help css problem next | 00:14 |
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| bernd__ | Good night everyone! And happy hacking... | 00:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9425 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: | 00:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a dashboard bug where scripts and css needed by user profile fields were not | 00:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: sent via an AJAX method in the shortcut. | 00:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9426 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): | 00:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: When data is successfully saved from the edit user preferences form, make it | 00:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: redraw the Dashboard, instead of the shortcut. | 00:24 |
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| @tavisto | topsub | 00:55 |
| @tavisto | have you used the consolidated shopping cart screen for a customer project yet? | 00:56 |
| @tavisto | I have a guy who wants to let visitors purchase stuff on his WebGUI site. I think that feature was included in your customized shopping cart | 00:56 |
| topsub | hey | 00:58 |
| topsub | ya i did | 00:58 |
| topsub | thats why we built it was because a client needed it | 00:58 |
| topsub | your talking about the 1 page checkout correct? | 00:58 |
| topsub | The client we built that for is lanching their site tomorrow i believe | 00:58 |
| topsub | we finished up things today | 00:58 |
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| knowmad | tavisto: i heard you're talking about us | 01:01 |
| @tavisto | yo | 01:01 |
| @tavisto | your spies are correct | 01:01 |
| topsub | lol | 01:01 |
| topsub | you need that feature tavisto? | 01:02 |
| @tavisto | so, here's what I want to know.... have you deployed any of that custom e-commerce code that allows for the consolidated check out screen and allows visitors to complete purchases? | 01:02 |
| knowmad | btw, i spoke to Agnes today | 01:02 |
| @tavisto | oh cool, hopefully you'll be able to help her | 01:02 |
| topsub | you want a non registered user to be able to buy something? | 01:03 |
| knowmad | yeah, i'm trying to come up with something that will help but also meet her budget | 01:03 |
| @tavisto | There's a guy who purchased hosting from PB today, but he wants a single click transaction that doesn't require user registration | 01:03 |
| knowmad | our client with that one-page checkout was scheduled to launch today | 01:03 |
| @tavisto | nice, did it happen? | 01:03 |
| topsub | later this evening i heard they are switching the dns | 01:03 |
| knowmad | but it doesn't look like that happened | 01:04 |
| knowmad | oh | 01:04 |
| @tavisto | coolio, I'd like to see that | 01:04 |
| knowmad | so tomorrow you can visit www.counciloned.com | 01:04 |
| @tavisto | so anyway, instead of turning this guy away, I'd like to hook you up | 01:04 |
| topsub | tavisto, yes we have that feature on that site | 01:04 |
| @tavisto | do you provide the hosting as well? | 01:05 |
| knowmad | yeah, we do provide hosting | 01:05 |
| topsub | yes we can provide hosting | 01:05 |
| @tavisto | excellent | 01:05 |
| @tavisto | excellent | 01:05 |
| @tavisto | :) | 01:05 |
| knowmad | well, jt might not think so but the WRE makes it so dang easy for us to self-host | 01:05 |
| @tavisto | oh yeah? | 01:08 |
| topsub | tavisto, is it one product this guy needs or multi? | 01:08 |
| knowmad | we do so little hosting he probably doesn't notice | 01:08 |
| @tavisto | William, I'll include the website URL in my email to him. Should I include your email as well? | 01:09 |
| @tavisto | he said he's just selling 1 thing | 01:09 |
| Lisette | why when i add a web service client shows me the next error: WARN - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: home Root cause: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440.?? | 01:09 |
| Lisette | anyone knows? | 01:09 |
| knowmad | tavisto: sure | 01:10 |
| knowmad | Lisette: sounds like a bug | 01:10 |
| Lisette | mmm because when i do this in the demo version, it's works | 01:11 |
| Lisette | but in my site don't work | 01:11 |
| knowmad | what version of wG? i thought that the Web Service asset was removed from core recently | 01:11 |
| knowmad | but then i wouldn't expect to see it in the demo | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, the demo site always uses the latest stable, which in this case is 7.5.40 | 01:11 |
| Lisette | i have 7.5.25 | 01:11 |
| knowmad | perlDreamer: wasn't the asset she's talking about removed from core? | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad, yes, in 7.6. But if your site was using it, it was not removed from your local install. | 01:12 |
| knowmad | so that explains why it's still showing up in the demo | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 01:12 |
| knowmad | Lisette: you may want to check the changelog to see if any bugs against that asset were fixed since 7.5.25 | 01:13 |
| Lisette | ok, thanks | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm about 99% positive that there were some bugs fixed | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | since I remember fixing them | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but I've done so much coding in the last two months that it's all blurring together | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need a dev with opera to help me test a bug fix. | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Any volunteers? | 01:22 |
| @Haarg | i can | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll commit the fix, and then revert it if it doesn't work. | 01:24 |
| @tavisto | Knowmad, I sent off that email so I'm sure he'll contact you soon. Actually I'll forward you the email he sent to me as well. | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, it's rev 9427 | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | to duplicate the bug, just look at any hoverhelp. If you do not see a yellow bar below the text, it's fixed. | 01:25 |
| knowmad | tavisto: Thanks! | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Survey hoverhelp will show a yellow background to all the text, due to the styling | 01:26 |
| @tavisto | yep no problem | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm still kind of shocked. I wrote javascript and it worked the first time. | 01:26 |
| @tavisto | benefit #721 of being a Plain Black partner, lead sharing. | 01:26 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 01:26 |
| @tavisto | should be perfect though, he gets all the cool features of wG with a Knowmad shopping cart. | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | hover help looks fine in opera 9.63 | 01:27 |
| topsub | lol | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll update the changelog and close the bug. | 01:27 |
| topsub | powered by knowmad. inspired by topsub | 01:28 |
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| knowmad | later | 01:43 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9427 /WebGUI/www/extras/hoverhelp.js: Prototype fix for yellow hoverhelp lines in opera/firefox. | 01:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9428 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document the hoverhelp fix in the changelog. | 01:50 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer : the fix you posted for the gallary search page woks fine for the search itself but the date is still displayed wrong. | 03:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it displays okay for me | 03:33 |
| +perlDreamer | which browser are you using? | 03:33 |
| daviddelikat | is this likely to be something in the database? | 03:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 03:34 |
| +perlDreamer | this is all form work | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat | my dates still say 02/03/31 | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat | sorry... | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat | that is what it says on the gallary page | 03:34 |
| +perlDreamer | gallery page? The main page of the gallery, or the album page? | 03:34 |
| daviddelikat | on the search page it says 12/31/69 | 03:34 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer does not make mistakes | 03:34 |
| @rizen | how dare you question his fix | 03:34 |
| +perlDreamer | no, he does not | 03:34 |
| @rizen | !!!!!!! | 03:35 |
| +perlDreamer | He makes catastrophically bad judgement calls based on wild guesses | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | that would be the album page | 03:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Let me build one up real quick. | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | here http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat | I just updated my code the afternoon | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | ( and restarted modperl ) | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | So if I click on the album page, I should see bad dates... | 03:38 |
| daviddelikat | yes, in white text on off-white background | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I see that bad date on your page. | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | but on the one that I built, it's just fine. | 03:39 |
| daviddelikat | no the album is fine, its the search page that sows them wrong | 03:39 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps I should start over. | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that would help :) | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | thank you | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | the album has the correct date: 020409... | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that I see | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | what do I click on next? | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | click on advanced search | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | set the dates to 2/1/09 and today | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | and click search | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | you see the album and the picture | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | the date on the bottom of the picture is 12/31/69 | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, now I see. | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | in white text on off-white background | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | from the bug, it sounded like the dates were wrong in the search boxes | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | not the photo display | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll look into it. | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I have an idea that I already know what's wrong | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | but we shall see | 03:42 |
| daviddelikat | this is why i failed english.... | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, would you mind posting a bug about this issue specifically? | 03:43 |
| daviddelikat | sure | 03:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh dear | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that's really mucked up | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder who did that | 03:46 |
| * perlDreamer looks around for someone else to blame | 03:46 | |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps somebody new... | 03:47 |
| daviddelikat | hmmm???? | 03:47 |
| +perlDreamer | well, after digging around some, it turns out it's been that way for a while | 03:48 |
| +perlDreamer | this is the problem | 03:48 |
| +perlDreamer | <div class="date"> Created ^D("%M/%d/%Y",^International('template file creationDate','Asset_GalleryAlbum'););</div> | 03:48 |
| daviddelikat | your ticket sir: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9675 | 03:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Now, given that line, can you tell me what's wrong? | 03:48 |
| daviddelikat | looks like it doesn't have a date valule to format | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the problem | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be something more like | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | <div class="date">^International("template file creationDate","Asset_GalleryDate"); ^D("%M/%d%Y", <tmpl_var creationDate>);</div> | 03:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | and since I recently did a huge amount of template i18n, I'm guessing that I broke preaction_'s beautiful search template. | 03:50 |
| daviddelikat | that looks senseble | 03:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | jmarsden|work: what's the good word on Ubuntu? | 03:51 |
| jmarsden|work | I've not checked today whether anyone reviewed my package yet... let me check... | 03:52 |
| +perlDreamer | in addition to randomly breaking templates in WebGUI, I'm also known for impatience. | 03:53 |
| jmarsden|work | No real reviews yet, one comment saying "The changelog does not close a bug from Launchpad. New packages should have a needs-packaging bug and the upload close it using the syntax "(LP: #nnnn)". | 03:53 |
| * perlDreamer has all sorts of problems... | 03:53 | |
| jmarsden|work | The comment is correct, so I should do that. | 03:53 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, maybe that's why it's not getting a lot of comments | 03:54 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I've just started using wgdev, and I've decided that Haarg needs to be promoted to Overlord of Internal Tool development | 03:55 |
| jmarsden|work | Possible; I think it is more that it is a relatively big/complex piece of software to check, and no- MOTUs with the time/energy to do it have yet come along... | 03:55 |
| @rizen | pretty cool eh? | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | It's awesome! | 03:55 |
| @rizen | i haven't looked at the newest version | 03:55 |
| @rizen | i really need to get a copy | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | It's on github.com | 03:56 |
| @rizen | i know, i just haven't gotten it yet | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | all fixed up, daviddelikat | 04:01 |
| daviddelikat | so how does that get passed down to users? is the template in a file somewhere? | 04:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | in docs/upgrades/packages-my.next.version | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | there will be a bunch of WebGUI package files | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | those are little bundled up assets with their collateral | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | extra tables, storage objects, files, etc, and all their asset properties | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | when the user upgrades, it will overwrite the default webgui template on their site | 04:04 |
| daviddelikat | does that get loaded when modperl restarts? | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | the package will be automatically inserted into the db on an upgrade | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | or, it can be manually loaded | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | in the asset manager | 04:05 |
| daviddelikat | I'll try that... | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll find it in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11 | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | time for dinner, later guys! | 04:06 |
| daviddelikat | I saw it when I updated... | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | svn up, yes. But how about perl upgrade.pl --doit? | 04:06 |
| daviddelikat | will that insert it into the database? | 04:06 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9429 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the display of creationDate in the gallery search template. | 04:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:25 |
| ries | Hey All.. checking the wiki.... but.... does webgui make a good CMS for a community sort of website where uses can post there blogs, news, galleries, tip-a-friend yada yada yada.... We expect around 500.000 active users (not at the same time) and host around 10.000.000 images RDBM would be preferred PostgreSQL | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | to the best of my knowledge, WebGUI does not work with PostgreSQL | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | That being said, I don't think anyone's tried it for a long time | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI can do all the things that you mentioned. Blogs, news feeds, photo galleries, calendars (with ical feeds) | 04:27 |
| ries | perlDreamer: I guess it would be possible to make it with PostgreSQL? Assuming that webgui uses a RDBM of some sort... | 04:28 |
| ries | perlDreamer: Basicly they asked me to make a multi-domain multi-language website(s) where news is shared between domains aswell as users | 04:28 |
| ries | they can publish there photo's of art-work and sell that | 04:29 |
| ries | inter-user communication, that sort of work... | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | ries, the RDBM that WebGUI uses is MySQL. There are no mapping layers between the object code and DB that would make it database agnostic. | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you can also do ecommerce with WebGUI | 04:31 |
| ries | So it would be suitable for a community oriented website, rather then admin users creating and publishing content... Right? | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Definitely | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | For example, see the Bazaar on webgui.org | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | all user contributed content, where you can optionally give it away, or sell it | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that code isn't in the core yet, but it is available as a plugin | 04:32 |
| ries | About MySQL... we have zero experience with MySQL so we would beable to change this to PostgreSQL (we have the resources) ... | 04:32 |
| ries | if possible that is | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Anything is possible with enough coding and time. | 04:33 |
| ries | The initial idea was to build a CMS from scratch, I said let's first look around and see what is available... so we have the $$$ | 04:33 |
| @rizen | it doesnt take a lot of exp with mysql to do it well | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but, you can also use the WRE, WebGUI Runtime Environment, which is basically a software appliance setup for managing WebGUI sites. It does all the heavy db setup work for you | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | ries, rizen is Mr. WebGUI. | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if it can be done with WebGUI, has been done, or someone in Siberia thought about WebGUI, rizen knows about it | 04:35 |
| ries | rizen: We just don't have the experience to do that well and MySQL .... | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to scoot for the evening | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | later, all | 04:35 |
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| @rizen | if you have the $$ to do a big project then surely you can spend a few of those learning MySQL. Especially since WebGUI will do all the work for you so you don't need to build your own custom CMS | 04:36 |
| ries | rizen: We are writing our requirements better.. we identified around 36 modules we need for the site to function and I am specifing them | 04:36 |
| ries | MySQL is not really an option for us due to historical experience.... (we lost a DB twice due to MySQL not being stable) yes we had a backup, but not a happy client | 04:37 |
| @rizen | i've had the same experience with Postgres and Oracle | 04:37 |
| @rizen | that doesn't mean i never use them anymore | 04:37 |
| ries | rizen: About learning MySQL... we would need to hrie a company then, something we are planning to... but rather hire a company that knows PostgreSQL better then us | 04:37 |
| @rizen | what you're saying is that you can't run unless you buy Nike brand shoes to run in | 04:37 |
| @rizen | that's religion, not technology | 04:38 |
| @preaction_ | only problem i've ever had with mysql is me not knowing that a restart will reconnect the slave to the master | 04:38 |
| ries | rizen: yes it's part religion, I just don't want to debate it :) | 04:38 |
| @rizen | fair enough | 04:38 |
| @rizen | unfortunately that means WebGUI's not for you | 04:38 |
| @rizen | it only runs on MySQL | 04:39 |
| @rizen | i wish i could helpyou | 04:39 |
| @rizen | but unfortunately i can't debate religion | 04:39 |
| ries | rizen: I don't want even debate it.... | 04:39 |
| @rizen | i just said that | 04:39 |
| ries | it's apple vs PC, PHP vs Java, etc etc... it's personal choise | 04:39 |
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| ries | rizen: anyways, would it be good by the time I have the requirements I contact you? It might be interesting to let it run on PG and we could sponsor that 100% | 04:40 |
| @rizen | you mean contact us to convert webgui to run on PG? | 04:41 |
| ries | Indeed.... and if you could help us to find the right people to build the website | 04:41 |
| @rizen | absolutely | 04:41 |
| @preaction_ | would it also fulfill the goal of running on drizzle? | 04:41 |
| @rizen | jt@plainblack.com | 04:41 |
| @rizen | i don't have any religion about databases, so if you want us to make webgui run on PG we'll do it for you | 04:42 |
| @rizen | i don't think it would be terribly difficult | 04:42 |
| @rizen | it used to run on PG several years ago | 04:42 |
| @rizen | but only 3 out of the 10,000 sites we know about used it | 04:42 |
| @rizen | so it wasn't worth maintaining | 04:42 |
| ries | preaction_: Drizzle would be to know... we try not to experiment with new technology (even if it was a fork of existing) | 04:43 |
| ries | rizen: I fully understand, for that reason about 90% of the CMS systems run on MySQL.... | 04:43 |
| @preaction_ | right, i'm just saying if we stop relying on so much mysql-ese SQL, it might be beneficial to our desire to run on drizzle | 04:43 |
| @preaction_ | (which as i understand is a mysql without so much of the mysql-ese that causes bloat) | 04:44 |
| ries | rizen: it would not be for a couple of weeks before I have writen everything down better... but will contact you... | 04:44 |
| @rizen | k | 04:44 |
| ries | preaction_: That's what I understood about Drizzle to.... However with this project I cannot experiment | 04:45 |
| ries | thanks | 04:52 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9430 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (4 files): Update from translation server | 12:14 |
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| wgGuest40 | hello | 14:04 |
| wgGuest40 | i have a problem with webgui | 14:04 |
| +BartJol | ok | 14:05 |
| +BartJol | let's hear | 14:05 |
| wgGuest40 | i want create content for wiki module and get category list | 14:06 |
| wgGuest40 | this is possible ? | 14:07 |
| +BartJol | probably, but I should check that | 14:07 |
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| wgGuest48 | for collaboration asset content is message board | 14:08 |
| wgGuest48 | how i get content for wiki module | 14:09 |
| wgGuest48 | ?:( | 14:09 |
| +BartJol | in the help, there are some template variables, I think you should check those | 14:10 |
| +BartJol | just add to the end of your url ?op=viewHelpIndex | 14:10 |
| wgGuest48 | ok thanks, I check it | 14:10 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg where can i get the latest version of wgd? | 16:54 |
| +BartJol | daviddelikat: you mean the svn version? | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | wgd? | 17:00 |
| daviddelikat | graham wrote a cool script called wgd that handles lots of odd functions | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | aah | 17:01 |
| daviddelikat | like reset a whole wg site and stuff like that | 17:01 |
| daviddelikat | i've got an old version that seems to be missing the good stuff... | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I don't know that script | 17:02 |
| daviddelikat | its not in the main svn but i think it may be in git somewhere | 17:03 |
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| daviddelikat | woot has 'Ion Audio Portable USB Turntable' | 17:03 |
| daviddelikat | where else would you see a USB LP? | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/ | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | that contains the wgd script | 17:05 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 17:05 |
| daviddelikat | do you know how to convert that URL to a checkout URL? | 17:07 |
| +BartJol | well, if you get it with svn, you should be ok | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | I'm not an svn hero, unfortunately | 17:08 |
| daviddelikat | I tried it with svn co and got a 'not wellformed xml' error | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | trailing slashes do seem to cause some trouble | 17:09 |
| daviddelikat | 'https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools' -- works | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | well do that and just delete the rest | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | ugly, but it works | 17:10 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | mmm, anyone tested the new skin on the survey in HEAD? Doesn't look like the buttons work anymore. | 17:42 |
| daviddelikat | I was looking at surveys too and had problems | 17:43 |
| daviddelikat | haven't really tried to pinpoint it thogh | 17:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | not seeing a JS error. | 17:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | looks like events aren't being triggered. Which is weird as the button click is all YUI. | 17:43 |
| daviddelikat | which buttons are you pushing? | 17:44 |
| daviddelikat | I just updated my whole site, reset the db and all and when I try to edit I get three links and a textbox | 17:45 |
| daviddelikat | not a textbox, just a frame | 17:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, the button events are no longer being registered. | 17:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | This is usually a quiet dying JS error somewhere above. | 17:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | upstream I mean. | 17:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm pushing the multiple choice. | 17:46 |
| daviddelikat | i have a parseJSON error | 17:46 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | nice, its dying so quietly, not eve a try catch is catching it. | 17:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, I see. The new skin breaks the hidden questions. | 17:52 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat, i updated the wgd script in svn | 18:01 |
| daviddelikat | sometimes you just have to admit when you have a problem... I can't find the search option on this page: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/how-to-use-the-bazaar | 18:01 |
| @Haarg | also, i have it on github - http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/tree/master | 18:01 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9431 /tools/wgd: updating wgd script to latest version | 18:07 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg : getting a funky error from wgd | 18:14 |
| daviddelikat | Can't modify constant item in concatenation (.) or string at /data/tools/wgd line 424, near "}msx" | 18:14 |
| daviddelikat | (Might be a runaway multi-line {} string starting on line 419) | 18:14 |
| daviddelikat | BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at /data/tools/wgd line 478. | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | heh | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | what command did you try to run? | 18:14 |
| daviddelikat | none | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 18:14 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps its my version of perl? 5.8.8 | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | odd | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | i've been using 5.10, and apparently it isn't a problem there | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | let me try to fix it quick | 18:16 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: the buttons work. But somethings screwed up in the styles. | 18:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | mcbutton and mcbutton-selected now look exactly alike. | 18:19 |
| daviddelikat | which buttons are we talking about? | 18:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | multiple choice | 18:21 |
| daviddelikat | I'm not even getting there. | 18:21 |
| daviddelikat | take a look at mine... http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/home/untitled?func=editSurvey | 18:22 |
| daviddelikat | you'll have to login, but its the default password | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat, wgd should be fixed now | 18:22 |
| @Haarg | i think it was caused by a bug in perl but i'm not certain | 18:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: looks like debug mode is on. | 18:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | probably messing up the styles or something. | 18:23 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2 : I didnot used to have this problem | 18:24 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg : how long before it hits svn | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | should be there now | 18:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: I don't know what's going on. | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | or maybe i'm still stupid | 18:25 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg : its there, but perl 8 still doesn't like it. don't worry for now... I just reset before I got this version I should be good for a while | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd is in svn now? | 18:27 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: it works OK with debug off | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | the compiled version is in tools | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | ok, fixed for real this time | 18:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: hmm, i"m not seeing the style sheets being loaded anymore. | 18:29 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: perl 8 is complaining about a different pattern now. probably a newer feature.... | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | it's not a newer feature :/ i think it's just a bug | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | but i just updated the version in svn and i think it should work now | 18:29 |
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| daviddelikat | yup, sgood | 18:30 |
| daviddelikat | thanks | 18:30 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: I'm looking at the default survey take template and I don't see the css files being loaded. Yet firebug assures me there are being loaded, they just don't have any content. | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | perl -e'qr/^\Q=\E/' | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | works in 5.10, breaks in 5.8.8 | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | wasn't expecting that | 18:34 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: \Q \E is not in perl 5.8 I checked my book... | 18:36 |
| @Haarg | yes it is - http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.8/pod/perlre.pod | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | it works without the ^ or if you change the = to something else | 18:37 |
| daviddelikat | ok its not in the index.... I found it in the text... | 18:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: okay, I give up. The temlate with this survey doesn't load any css, yet my firebug thinks it is there (if empty), and the view source shows it being loaded from the root path, which I'm guessing means it has been turned into snippets. | 18:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: didn't you say you were moving the survey css to snippets? | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | what did I do with the survey... | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Yesterday I commented about the help variables | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and I posted back to Jamie's bug about answer text and recorded text | 18:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | for the life of me I can't find where the css is being loaded. | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | extra head tags? | 18:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | those don't show up in the editor anymore. | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | no, they're on the next tab | 18:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9432 /tools/wgd: fixing regex in wgd for perl 5.8.8 | 18:41 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9433 /tools/wgd: another wgd perl 5.8.8 fix | 18:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | holy crap they are in metadata? | 18:41 |
| * perlmonkey2 wonders off to do something else. | 18:41 | |
| +perlDreamer | which template are we talking about? take, edit, ... | 18:42 |
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| daviddelikat | survey.css is empty/doesn't exists | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a survey.css in extras, but the URLs don't point to it | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like somebody forgot to upload a snippet in a commit | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | time to go through the svn logs | 18:48 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: yes, I'll add it. | 18:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | someone moved the css from the extras to a snippet and apparently missed one. | 18:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | although why anyone woudl want it in a snippet over extras is beyond me. | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | the graphics designers can't easily get to extras? | 18:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, yes. | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and they're used to hacking stuff through the UI? | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that's just a guess | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we just need to get the person who commited survey-style to add survey.css to the upgrades area? | 18:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I can just export the snippet package and put it in the 7.6.11 upgrades, right? Never packaged a snippet before. | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | packages don't really care what they are | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | they're just dumb little data balls | 18:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, tested it with the handy dandy wgd to reset it and run updates. Guess I'll submit it. | 18:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | although a designer really should go over those buttons. The default YUI ones are much sexier. | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll drop the designer an email, and remind her to make sure everything got committed. | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd hold off on the commit | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll just be overwritten | 18:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | whups | 18:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh well....I'm sure she'll name i the same and put it in the same place. | 18:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | or i could roll that commit back? | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought I'd save you some keystrokes | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's already in, no sweat | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | You know, if we ask the template designers to use the International macro to provide text, we need to give them a way to search the i18n system to see what labels already exist, and which ones need to be added. | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | i18n? | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | internationalization = i + 18 characters + n = i18n | 19:14 |
| +BartJol | ooh, only 18 chracters, I can handle that | 19:15 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9434 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added survey.css as a snippet. Had been left out. | 19:16 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9435 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/survey.css.wgpkg: Added survey.css as a snippet. Had been left out. | 19:16 |
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| carogray | hi all... | 19:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hello carogray | 19:21 |
| carogray | quick question about site wide search and replace... | 19:21 |
| carogray | is it possible? We have a whole section on Income and Benefits /Food Stamps | 19:21 |
| carogray | Department of Transitional Assistance has now changed the program to SNAP can't remember what the acronym is... | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, in the core WebGUI doesn't have anything like that, but there is an open RFE for it. | 19:22 |
| carogray | is it possible to replace every instance of Food Stamps with ...aah | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but it could be done with an external script | 19:22 |
| carogray | ...an external script? We pay PB or some WG true Guru to write it and apply it? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, or have somebody in house do it | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, rizen: bug or RFE -> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9677 | 19:23 |
| carogray | OUR house?!!!! | 19:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | carogray: you might be able to do something in the database. | 19:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | seems like I did something like that a long time ago.... | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | carogray, I don't know if you guys write code or not. I just don't want you to think that you absolutely have to pay somebody to get it done if you _do_ have coders to work with. | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and perlmonkey2 is right, it could be done with SQL, or with perl | 19:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: naw, seems like a single statement would search every column in every table. | 19:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | looking for it now (if it exists) | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a replace function that works on strings | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | REPLACE() | 19:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | carogray: is it only articles that need updating? | 19:31 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: why is that a question | 19:44 |
| @rizen | the feature exists and doesn't work | 19:44 |
| @rizen | so it's a bug | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it works exactly like it's coded. It's like it was only intended to work on new posts/threads. | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix it. | 19:45 |
| carogray | perldreamer and perlmonkey2 - sorry how rude. I kind of zoned out...very distracted these days.. | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | We're very patient | 19:48 |
| carogray | no one really writes code at ours..Sandra does a bit, but she is not really a coder and hasn't got a very high tolerance for frustration | 19:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you have a support contract with Plain Black, depending on the details this could fall underneath that. | 19:49 |
| carogray | When you say only articles...It's articles, titles and menu titles of page layouts. I wouldn't worry about URLs | 19:50 |
| carogray | I think our support contract with PB is pretty limited - login requests and message board only...as well of course as keeping our server updated and maintained | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sure that if you posted all the details on the board, they'd either send you a script or ask you if you want a quote to have them build one for you. | 19:55 |
| carogray | well that sounds a mighty useful suggestion - will try it and see what happens! thanks PerlDreamer. | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, that's much easier than doing hours of manual page crawling and edits | 19:57 |
| carogray | no kidding. thanks - my biggest problem is simply waiting while WG saves the page! | 20:01 |
| carogray | it's never fast enough for me. | 20:01 |
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| carogray | or the server or the connection or whatever -- gotta go! thanks | 20:01 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:09 | |
| * deafferret eats a Snickers | 20:15 | |
| * daviddelikat eats ho-hos | 21:00 | |
| daviddelikat | javascript anyone | 21:00 |
| daviddelikat | ?? | 21:01 |
| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9671 | 21:01 |
| daviddelikat | a very interesting bug... | 21:01 |
| daviddelikat | when the admin bar loads normally it sets a property 'hasAnimation' to 1 and starts its work... | 21:04 |
| daviddelikat | then later when the anim is done it sets it back to 0 | 21:04 |
| daviddelikat | when surveys are loaded it never gets set back to 0 so the next time you try | 21:04 |
| daviddelikat | to change the part displayed, it thinks that there is an animation underway and bugs out so as not to interfere | 21:05 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9436 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): fixed: Permissions aren't correctly applied to Article attachments | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | is the whole internet slow, or is it just me? | 22:18 |
| bernd__ | You! | 22:18 |
| bernd__ | Fast enough= | 22:19 |
| bernd__ | ? | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm waiting about 5 minutes for webgui.org to come up | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | cnn.com is the same | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | use.perl.org | 22:19 |
| bernd__ | Let me check... | 22:19 |
| deafferret | cnn.com is instant for me | 22:19 |
| deafferret | +- 1s | 22:19 |
| bernd__ | Hm. I believe my connection is fine. | 22:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's my proxy | 22:36 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9437 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (2 files): Updated Data Table templates to be compliant with Rogier's templating project | 22:37 |
| bernd__ | You are using a web-proxy? | 22:38 |
| bernd__ | Why that? | 22:38 |
| bernd__ | Is it faster usually? | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | content filtering | 22:39 |
| bernd__ | Ah, the kids? | 22:40 |
| bernd__ | Or don't you trust yourself =) | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | both | 22:41 |
| bernd__ | I assume, it blocks access to webgui-related sites during sleeping time? | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it mainly blocks adult content | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and anything related to python | 22:43 |
| bernd__ | Python? Such a terrible language? | 22:44 |
| bernd__ | Or even better and you do not want to be tempted? | 22:45 |
| @frodwith | at least they fixed scoping in 3k, thank Guido. | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it has no braces and minimal punctuation. How can that be a good language? | 22:45 |
| bernd__ | Braces are confusing. | 22:45 |
| * frodwith adores Python. | 22:45 | |
| bernd__ | I could lieve without. | 22:45 |
| bernd__ | live | 22:46 |
| @frodwith | it doesn't have -no- bracers, pd. It just doesn't overload them for blocks. | 22:46 |
| bernd__ | Hm, maybe we should start rewriting webgui in python. | 22:46 |
| @frodwith | Arrrgh | 22:47 |
| bernd__ | That is, perlDreamer would have to do the work, of course :-) | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I think not | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | pythonDreamer is way too long to type | 22:47 |
| @frodwith | also, python isn't a better language than perl. It's just different. | 22:47 |
| @frodwith | perl is somewhat more flexible. | 22:48 |
| bernd__ | Alright. I do not believe in the "best-language-of-the-world" concept, anyhow. | 22:48 |
| @frodwith | I do. It's called lisp! But that's a troll for another day. | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I've used lisp. It's worse than python | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | carrrdddrrr | 22:49 |
| bernd__ | There are just too many languages in the world. | 22:49 |
| elnino | aggreed | 22:49 |
| @frodwith | Not enough, bernd. Not enough. | 22:49 |
| elnino | what web-proxy software do you use perlDreamer? | 22:49 |
| bernd__ | I have gone through basic, forth, c, c++, java and now perl. | 22:49 |
| bernd__ | Where will it end? | 22:50 |
| elnino | fortran!!! | 22:50 |
| @frodwith | Hopefully nowhere. Learning is fun! | 22:50 |
| elnino | cobol! | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, it's through my ISP as a service. | 22:50 |
| @frodwith | learning cobol is -not- fun | 22:50 |
| bernd__ | In that case you should start rewriting webgui. Just for the fun of it! | 22:50 |
| * elnino wonders if I'm dating myself. | 22:50 | |
| @frodwith | bernd: rewriting software is an exercise in futility 99 times out of 100. | 22:51 |
| elnino | I found a way cool site that tracks windows os from the beginning and another chart for all th eprogramming languages. I have to dig that up. It was cool. | 22:51 |
| bernd__ | Time to go to bed. | 22:57 |
| bernd__ | Have a good time. | 22:57 |
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| elnino | check it out - http://www.levenez.com/ | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith, I try not to be a language bigot, but often fail. | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't froth at the mouth when people talk about PHP anymore though | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that has to be some kind of improvement | 23:01 |
| @frodwith | Ugh, horrible language! | 23:01 |
| @frodwith | no namespaces, no proper first class functions, ridiculously unorganized standard library | 23:01 |
| @frodwith | shudder. | 23:02 |
| @frodwith | I wouldn't want to write it. But I know plenty of otherwise sane people who do, so to each his own. :) | 23:02 |
| @frodwith | wait, I just also described C, didn't I? | 23:04 |
| @frodwith | I'll be damned. | 23:04 |
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| @Haarg | my favorite part of php is the functions that start with real_ | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | i guess there were times they wanted fake versions? | 23:06 |
| @frodwith | Square root of negative 1 said to pi: 'Why can't you be more rational?' pi replied: 'Oh, get real!' | 23:07 |
| elnino | oh dear. | 23:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, release today for 7.6? | 23:54 |
| @Haarg | no | 23:55 |
| elnino | are you guys saying that 7.6 Stable is coming soon!?!? | 23:58 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 00:00 |
| elnino | whoo hoo!!! YAY! | 00:00 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9438 /WebGUI/docs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix bad template code in 4 gallery templates. They were functional, just not | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: using template variables. | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9439 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Adding/fixing Survey i18n and Help | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9440 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (3 files): Unify all Survey CSS into 1 file, and use it. | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, that quote from the Incredibles keeps going through my head. | 00:55 |
| @Haarg | quote? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | "No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes! " | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I had to look it up on IMDB | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | heh | 00:57 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9442 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/root_import_account_inbox_default-inbox-send-message-template.wgpkg: Update this template so that it passes the template i18n test. | 01:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9443 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a problem with purging an EMS. | 01:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | do 1 and 0 work like the JS booleans true and false? | 01:49 |
| @Haarg | yes | 01:49 |
| @Haarg | if i understand your question | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I was looking through the datatable code, because I enjoy pain | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and noticed that the API said it wanted booleans for sortable and resizable, but it was given 1's | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the columns were sortable, so in my JS infancy, I was confused | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | by jove, I think I've got it! | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check it out after I pick up the kids | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl, everyone | 01:54 |
| deafferret | dead lifting kids? now you're just showing off | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | it'd be easier if they'd stop growing so much | 03:41 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9444 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (5 files in 2 dirs): adding merge point | 03:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9445 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: fix small issue in addChild | 03:42 |
| @preaction_ | would anyone object if bug priorities were visible on the ticket list but not sortable? | 03:45 |
| @preaction_ | i can figure out sortable later | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | visible would be great! | 03:53 |
| +perlDreamer | for the bug board, you could lose karma rank, too | 03:54 |
| @preaction_ | cant do that yet, but soon | 03:56 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9446 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored next/last response/section related accessors and mutators | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: (and tests). | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added more documentation. | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9447 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: More ResponseJSON refactoring | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Removed unnecessary $session argument from recordResponses | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored nextQuestions to return a list rather than an arrayref | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Lots more documentation for ResponseJSON | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: More param validation for ResponseJSON | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored recordResponses | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9448 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Renamed ResponseJSON branching methods | 04:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9449 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Updated Survey.pm to use new ResponseJSON.pm methods | 04:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9450 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Started refactoring nextQuestions in ResponseJSON | 04:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Made perlcritic happier | 04:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Extracted getQuestionResponses from processGotoExpression | 04:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Eliminated getPreviousAnswer | 04:11 |
| @rizen | Haarg, you around? | 04:19 |
| @Haarg | rizen: i am now | 04:28 |
| @rizen | i'm confused about the merge you did | 04:28 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 04:29 |
| @rizen | it looks like you merged into 7.6.10 | 04:29 |
| @Haarg | yes | 04:29 |
| @rizen | but we're working on 7.6.11 | 04:29 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 04:29 |
| @rizen | ummm | 04:29 |
| @Haarg | i didn't want to have to keep updating the update script | 04:29 |
| @Haarg | as more things are fixed for 7.6.11 | 04:30 |
| @rizen | oh so that you didn't have to do stuff in both scripts? | 04:30 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 04:30 |
| @rizen | ok fair enough | 04:30 |
| @rizen | that eliminates my confusion | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen->eliminate('confusion') | 04:30 |
| @rizen | that just isn't how i did it the last time | 04:31 |
| @rizen | which is why i was confused | 04:31 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 04:31 |
| @rizen | $haarg->increment_logic(); | 04:31 |
| @rizen | if ($haarg->get_logic > $rizen->get_logic) { say "everybody wins"} | 04:32 |
| @rizen | thanks haarg | 04:32 |
| @rizen | btw..using the wgd script, and it rocks | 04:33 |
| @Haarg | glad you like it | 04:33 |
| @rizen | hate to admit that it beats my old resetdev script, but it does | 04:33 |
| @Haarg | heh | 04:33 |
| @Haarg | and only about 300 times as many lines | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: if we transplanted the asset creation logic from Edit into Asset, then guids and URLs would work with any Command | 04:34 |
| @Haarg | indeed | 04:34 |
| @Haarg | i already did that :) | 04:34 |
| @Haarg | not committed yet | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll just continue to come up with great ideas a few hours after you do, to make sure you remember to commit them. | 04:35 |
| @Haarg | heh | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and not giving me git access is a good choice. I completely cross merged branches in my git repo | 04:35 |
| @Haarg | well | 04:35 |
| @Haarg | you can always fix that kind of thing with git to some extent | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, patspam gave me some help with rebase | 04:36 |
| @Haarg | i haven't actually used git's merging much | 04:36 |
| @Haarg | because i'm usually using git svn | 04:36 |
| @Haarg | so rebase is the best way to go | 04:37 |
| @Haarg | also, nothing goes to the server until you do a push | 04:38 |
| @Haarg | so if you mess up a merge or whatever you can just fix it locally | 04:39 |
| @rizen | Haarg how hard would it be to switch us to git starting with 7.7 | 04:39 |
| @rizen | here's the catch...we have a couple of branches already going with 7.7 dev stuff | 04:39 |
| @Haarg | getting the repos up is not a lot of work | 04:39 |
| @rizen | patspam and yung specifically | 04:39 |
| @Haarg | getting people used to using it etc is the larger problem i would say | 04:40 |
| @rizen | that's their problem | 04:40 |
| @Haarg | ideally yes | 04:40 |
| @Haarg | but it may become our problem as well | 04:40 |
| @rizen | how? | 04:41 |
| @Haarg | i'll take another look at the gui tools and get back to you - they are doing much better at this point | 04:41 |
| @Haarg | but i'm not sure how well they work because for the most part i don't ever look at them | 04:41 |
| @rizen | http://code.google.com/p/git-osx-installer/wiki/OpenInGitGui | 04:42 |
| @rizen | if you think we should wait until the 8.0 branch then we'll wait | 04:42 |
| @rizen | it's basically you and a few active contributors that are pushing this change anyway | 04:43 |
| @rizen | i don't mind waiting | 04:43 |
| @Haarg | i'll let you know by monday what i think | 04:43 |
| @rizen | fair enough | 04:43 |
| @rizen | i thinki just created a repo on github for webgui | 04:43 |
| @rizen | but immediately after i did it, the site went down for maintenance | 04:43 |
| @rizen | so i don't know for sure | 04:43 |
| @rizen | =( | 04:43 |
| @Haarg | seems to be working here | 04:44 |
| @rizen | oh yeah...it's back up now | 04:44 |
| @rizen | crap | 04:45 |
| @rizen | looks like the repo didn't get created | 04:45 |
| @rizen | i am a bit concerned | 04:46 |
| @rizen | i created it btw | 04:46 |
| @rizen | git://github.com/rizen/webgui.git | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | concerned how? | 04:46 |
| @rizen | when i create a public repo | 04:46 |
| @rizen | can just anybody check in to it | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | no | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | only people you add as contributors | 04:46 |
| @rizen | ok so it's public only for checkout/browse? | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | yes | 04:46 |
| @rizen | k | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | anyone can fork it though | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | and then they have their own repo to work from | 04:47 |
| @Haarg | i think it would be better to create a plainblack account though instead of having it under your name | 04:47 |
| @rizen | ok you have privs | 04:47 |
| @rizen | why? | 04:47 |
| @Haarg | just seems more natural to me i guess | 04:48 |
| @Haarg | the various repos we'll want are all owned by plain black, not you specifically | 04:49 |
| @rizen | yeah, but then we have a "global" plainblack account | 04:49 |
| @rizen | and we don't know who did what when | 04:49 |
| @rizen | better to have an owner methinks | 04:49 |
| @rizen | can i rename myself? | 04:50 |
| @Haarg | well, you would be the only person with access to the 'owner' account | 04:50 |
| @rizen | i can rename myself but it doesn't rename the repo | 04:50 |
| @Haarg | not afaik | 04:50 |
| @Haarg | <rizen> and we don't know who did what when < do you mean to the overall account? | 04:52 |
| @rizen | git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git | 04:52 |
| @rizen | i meant if we allowed "PB Staff" to have access to the plainblack account | 04:53 |
| @Haarg | ah | 04:53 |
| @rizen | but i'm ok with it if i'm the only one that has access | 04:53 |
| @rizen | so i renamed it | 04:53 |
| patspam | also: http://github.com/pdonelan/webgui and http://github.com/perlDreamer/webgui/ | 04:53 |
| @Haarg | yeah, the only reason i would want access is to get it set up and everything converted | 04:54 |
| @Haarg | patspam, http://github.com/haarg/wgdev if you are interested | 04:56 |
| @Haarg | my pluggable script thing for webgui dev | 04:56 |
| patspam | Haard: ooh nice, this is the first I've heard of wgd | 04:58 |
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| patspam | perlmonkey2: i just stumbled across the section/question text [[var]] templating feature in Survey.. very cool | 05:13 |
| patspam | I'm inclined to switch it over to use TT instead, but the YUI rich text editor would get in the way | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd is awesome | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd edit someTemplateIdOrUrl | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | opens it in vim | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | when you save, it goes right back in | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | when you want to package it up for updated | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd package --upgrade someTemplateUrl | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and it puts a package into the right packages dir in docs/upgrades | 05:20 |
| patspam | man, that's too cool | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and that's just two commands | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | there's also the db stuff | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the reset stuff | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | auto testing | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | auto build for releases | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg is truck-proff | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | proof | 05:21 |
| patspam | sweet, can't wait to play with it | 05:21 |
| patspam | is someone doing a talk on it at the WUC? | 05:21 |
| patspam | if not it should be in the Ultimate Dev Environment panel thing | 05:22 |
| @Haarg | i'd do a speech about it if i wasn't horrible at writing | 05:24 |
| patspam | heh, sounds like all you need to do is stand there silently typing in commands onto a projected screen and listening to everyone go "wow" | 05:25 |
| @Haarg | heh | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: think of it like a Lightning Talk | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | 15 minutes of demonstration, 15 minutes of system architecture 15 minutes rejecting requests from devs for it to do new stuff | 05:28 |
| @Haarg | heh | 05:28 |
| @Haarg | well, part of the idea is that it is pluggable | 05:29 |
| @Haarg | so they can do their own new stuff | 05:29 |
| @Haarg | perl::critic is harsh | 05:30 |
| @Haarg | although i guess i can only blame myself for setting it at the maximum strictness | 05:30 |
| @rizen | it's funny you should say that | 05:31 |
| @rizen | i blame you for lots of stuff | 05:31 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:31 |
| @Haarg | as well you should | 05:32 |
| @rizen | and i'm glad i started testing the matrix upgrades tonight | 05:32 |
| @rizen | not sure what to do about this yet: Wide character in print at upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl line 331, <DATA> line 112. | 05:32 |
| @rizen | but i have a couple of crash bugs also | 05:32 |
| @rizen | working on those first | 05:32 |
| @Haarg | i'll look at the wide char thing | 05:32 |
| @Haarg | wide char thing is simple | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd blame Haarg | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it's your fault | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg did it | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | cat /etc/blame > Haarg | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I never should have put that loop into there | 05:35 |
| @rizen | thanks Haarg | 05:35 |
| @Haarg | wide char thing should be fixed and committed | 05:36 |
| @rizen | Haarg, i also fixed that email problem | 05:36 |
| @Haarg | cool | 05:36 |
| @rizen | someone removed localhost from /etc/hosts | 05:36 |
| @Haarg | oh fun | 05:36 |
| @Haarg | there is no part of sendmail that doesn't confuse me | 05:37 |
| @rizen | you get used to it | 05:41 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9451 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: small char encoding fix to merged upgrade | 06:08 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: good idea on using TT. I just wanted to use something that would be trivial for anyone to figure out and that's the best I could come up with. Which isn't really that good. So if you want TT, sounds great to me (not that you need to check something like that with me, rizen would have to approve it). | 06:40 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: hey bud! | 06:41 |
| @rizen | default templates can't use TT by default...yet | 06:41 |
| @rizen | not until webgui 8 | 06:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: what's the word? | 06:42 |
| patspam | did I mean HTML::Template? | 06:42 |
| patspam | whatever the default templates use atm | 06:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh, probably | 06:42 |
| patspam | the problem is we can't use it, because the input field is a YUI rich text editor, so angle brackets get swallowed | 06:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no way to escape them or wrap them? | 06:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | maybe I should do the RTF editor RTE and learn a little about the YUI editor. | 06:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | err, RTF was supposed to mean rich text editor. | 06:45 |
| @rizen | webgui will be switching to the YUI rich edit in either 7.7 or 8.0 so making the survey switch to that is a good idea | 06:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | groovy, I'll see if I can get that done tomorrow. | 06:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9451 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: small char encoding fix to merged upgrade | 06:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9452 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 06:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fix: Fixed templates from latest versions on plainblack.com | 06:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: add: Added "Show In List" for metadata | 06:46 |
| patspam | it already uses the YUI editor | 06:48 |
| patspam | lol, i'm confused now ;) | 06:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh | 06:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: in head or your rfe branch? | 06:51 |
| patspam | ahh maybe just in rfe | 06:52 |
| patspam | I'm living in the survey-rfe branch atm | 06:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I just did a very bad thing | 06:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: is it in "needs validation" status or wrapped up? | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I imported a package inside of a version tag | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | then I imported it again | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and it created a non-existant version tag | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm left with assets that I can't edit | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | they're permanently locked | 06:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ./wgd reset -b | 06:54 |
| @Haarg | odd | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to try and duplicate in a dev site | 06:54 |
| patspam | pm2: come again? | 06:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: was setting the status in the google doc. | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: if you want to tinker, it on perldreamerconsulting.com | 06:56 |
| @Haarg | so you imported a package twice? | 06:56 |
| @Haarg | and that's it? | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that's what I did, yes | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and I have version control set to no-auto | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | there are no pending version tags, no uncommitted version tags, but it shows as locked | 06:57 |
| @Haarg | 2009/02/05 22:38:14 - WARN - www.perldreamerconsulting.com.conf - WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::unconditionalRead[314] - Unconditional read failed: SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS assetId, isLockedBy from asset where isLockedBy NOT NULL LIMIT 0,100 : You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'NULL LIMIT 0,100' at line 1 | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I was trying to look into the DB | 06:58 |
| @Haarg | ah, so that was a sql report? | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:59 |
| @Haarg | no other errors in the logs | 06:59 |
| @Haarg | i think i have everything but the reset command perl::critic clean now | 07:01 |
| @Haarg | that one has pages of issues though of course... | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, that's it | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | import package, edit 1 asset in it, import package again, commit | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | any asset not edited inbetween imports is locked | 07:06 |
| @Haarg | you going to file a bug? | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | First I'm going to cry a bit, then I'll file a bug | 07:07 |
| @Haarg | heh | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | then I'll try to figure out what in the world happened | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I need a good perl based bug to work on anyway. All this JS is giving me a backache. | 07:14 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9453 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: fixed a bug when a matrix listing didn't have a forum attached | 07:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9454 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fixed documentation | 07:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9455 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): | 07:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: More ResponseJSON refactoring. | 07:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Finished refactoring nextQuestions() | 07:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added recordedResponses sub | 07:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added getTemplatedText sub | 07:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added sectionId, questionId, answerId, sIndex, qIndex, aIndexes | 07:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: abstraction subs | 07:26 |
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| Mtendaji | hi I've just tried to install the current stable on a minimal CentOS install and am just about to give up and try a different CMS ... modperl will not start at all .. can anyone give me a pointer or two to figure out what is up? | 11:33 |
| +BartJol | did you use the wre? | 11:34 |
| Mtendaji | I've trawled the WebGUI wiki but it is just a nightmare after my 7th page of search and fail its just getting nuts. | 11:34 |
| Mtendaji | yes I did | 11:34 |
| +BartJol | did you run the script setenvironment.sh? | 11:35 |
| Mtendaji | the test environement thing says its good ... | 11:35 |
| Mtendaji | yes I did n+1 times | 11:35 |
| Mtendaji | I can not find a log however ... | 11:36 |
| Mtendaji | file does not exist? | 11:36 |
| Mtendaji | I've vaguely aware of how apache flies in a vanilla linux setup but this is .. well not anytyhing I can figure out. | 11:37 |
| Mtendaji | I suppose a good start would be where does mod perl live under the /data point of the filetree | 11:37 |
| +BartJol | sorry I was a bit busy | 11:39 |
| Mtendaji | thats fine no probs. | 11:39 |
| +BartJol | the logs should be in /data/wre/var/logs | 11:39 |
| Mtendaji | kk brb ... will have a look. | 11:39 |
| Mtendaji | kk its swimming in references to Graphics::Magick or Image::Magick | 11:42 |
| Mtendaji | Does that ship with WebGUI or do I chase it down manually ? | 11:42 |
| +BartJol | Image::Magick should be shipped with the wre | 11:42 |
| +BartJol | Graphics::Magick isn't used anymore | 11:43 |
| Mtendaji | ok how do I impliment or re-instate Image::Magcik ? | 11:43 |
| +BartJol | what are the errors? | 11:44 |
| +BartJol | it should work... should | 11:44 |
| Mtendaji | and i quote "Error loading WebGUI::Image! - You must have either Graphics::Magick or Image::Magick installed to run WebGUI." | 11:44 |
| +BartJol | and testEnvironment.pl shows an installed Image::Magick? | 11:45 |
| Mtendaji | --OR-- BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Image.pm line 18. | 11:45 |
| Mtendaji | brb .. I'll look | 11:45 |
| Mtendaji | ahh both that and the obsolete item are defined as " Not Installed, but it's optional anyway" | 11:47 |
| +BartJol | well, it's necessary | 11:47 |
| Mtendaji | why would the installer not do this ... | 11:47 |
| * Mtendaji mutters curses | 11:48 | |
| +BartJol | dunno actually | 11:48 |
| +BartJol | as long as the curses aren't directed at me, it's fine :) | 11:48 |
| Mtendaji | no its good... not you. | 11:48 |
| Mtendaji | provided you did'nt make the install script ... :) | 11:49 |
| +BartJol | i didn't | 11:49 |
| +BartJol | so you should run it as root, then it should prompt you for installation | 11:50 |
| Mtendaji | ok this begs a fairly obvious question.. is this a perl thing I must install or a ... | 11:50 |
| +BartJol | testEnvironment that is | 11:50 |
| Mtendaji | i'm in the box now as root and all has been done as he from the get go | 11:50 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 11:51 |
| Mtendaji | i just love KVM's ... | 11:51 |
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| +BartJol | I think it's a cpan install | 11:51 |
| Mtendaji | kk i can webmin it in then ... | 11:51 |
| * Mtendaji hands BartJol a beer | 11:52 | |
| Mtendaji | back in five.. | 11:52 |
| +BartJol | beer! you know me? | 11:52 |
| Mtendaji | not really ... | 11:52 |
| Mtendaji | :> | 11:52 |
| +BartJol | in the WebGUI community we (dutch people) are famous for drinking beer | 11:54 |
| Mtendaji | lol.. we Scots drink whisky ... mostly but in .au it's kinda hot at the moment ... so beer is it | 12:02 |
| Mtendaji | 5 has been officially extended things are slowwwwing at this end. | 12:02 |
| +BartJol | 5? | 12:04 |
| Mtendaji | more like 20 .. run if you have to .. thankyou for your help if you do. | 12:07 |
| +BartJol | aah, I'm stuck here for another6-7 hours, it's work (lunch excluded) | 12:10 |
| Mtendaji | 9pm Friday nigth and ditched by GF till sunday ... | 12:12 |
| Mtendaji | hmm.. outstanding .. | 12:13 |
| Mtendaji | thank you lots and lots... it has worked. | 12:14 |
| +BartJol | great | 12:14 |
| Mtendaji | I do not know why the installer failed to do the module but it seems that via webmin it has worked. | 12:14 |
| * Mtendaji hands BartJol another beer ... and grins. | 12:14 | |
| +BartJol | it is indeed strange | 12:15 |
| +BartJol | well, it works now | 12:15 |
| +BartJol | thanks | 12:15 |
| Mtendaji | If I do find out I'll put a post at WebGUI | 12:15 |
| Mtendaji | now.. (You Guessed it ..) i'm gonnna go play in it .. :) | 12:16 |
| +BartJol | off course! that is the fun part | 12:16 |
| * Mtendaji waves | 12:16 | |
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| elnino | Haarg, can you explain some things in plain english for me? | 17:02 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:04 |
| elnino | Hi SDuensin | 17:07 |
| elnino | My customer is experiencing sluggishness. Now, granted this is a server optimization 101 question, because I'm used to working with a server with a boatload of memory, and bandwidth wasn't an issue either. So I can probably guarenteer you that this server is probably not tuned appropriately to it's resources. | 17:14 |
| elnino | but first I want to make sure I'm explaining this corectly to myself and her.... | 17:15 |
| elnino | I understand bandwidth, and I believe wehave issues with that. and that would definately show up as "sluggishness" (HUGE sound files, and IMAGEs gallore) | 17:15 |
| elnino | easy to fix those. | 17:16 |
| elnino | But it's memory. | 17:16 |
| elnino | I know we in the 'gray area" and could definately use some more. | 17:16 |
| elnino | but that eally isn't an option right now. | 17:16 |
| elnino | but I want to explain what memory is used for so SHE understands it. | 17:16 |
| elnino | Anyone with me? | 17:16 |
| elnino | =) | 17:16 |
| SDuensin | I'm with you. Not sure I have an answer though. | 17:17 |
| elnino | that's ok. I'm glad somebody is following. =) | 17:17 |
| elnino | memory determines how much a server can handel... Is that a good way of explaining it? | 17:18 |
| elnino | and if you have a high number of visitors, each of those visitors need their own "memory space" on the server? | 17:18 |
| SDuensin | I always tell people it's the computer's "thinking space". Like how much you can keep in your brain at one time without needing to write it down. | 17:18 |
| elnino | so if the server is limited, the server is going to try to diviy up that space as much as it can, but the "thinking space" is just going to get smaller for each visitor on the website. | 17:19 |
| elnino | would that be a fair explaination? | 17:19 |
| SDuensin | Yep. And when you need to start writing things down, it takes a whole lot longer than just stuffing them into your head. More memory == faster. (Unless you're not memory starved, of course.) | 17:20 |
| elnino | and writeing takes up memory too, which means less pie for your customers. | 17:21 |
| elnino | ok. just wanted to make sure that would make sense. She is NOT technical. | 17:21 |
| elnino | And I'm used to having all the pie I want. =) | 17:21 |
| SDuensin | The best non-technical answer possible: "Shut up. It's fine." | 17:21 |
| elnino | no, not when she can't modify content on the website, it's pretty bad... | 17:21 |
| SDuensin | That is bad. I gave WebGUI to an entire office of non-computer-user types. They built their entire site themselves! (Except the template, of course.) | 17:22 |
| elnino | I just did a speed test on the home page. 7 seconds for downloading just the images.. | 17:23 |
| elnino | so we have serious problems. | 17:23 |
| elnino | And like I said earilier, I'm probably part o fthe problem, because it's probably not tuned to where it should be given the resources it has, but That's where I'm lost. | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm having a problem with Class::InsideOut in that it doesn'tcreate my accessors form me | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm thinking it has something to do with how I'm trying to set thing up. | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have a base class WebGUI::Chart which uses C::IO | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | and defines a number of readonly properties like session | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | Then there's WebGUI::Chart::ChartMagick | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | that also uses C::IO | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | b/c it defines some other readonly properties | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | however | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | all the accessors (ie. $self->session) that C::IO normally creates for me | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | all return undef | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | anybody has an idea? | 17:33 |
| elnino | not me. | 17:34 |
| elnino | it's pretty quiet here this morning. | 17:34 |
| @Haarg | you are calling register in the subclass as well? | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | Can I actually do a 'use Class::InsideOut' in a class that ISA another class doing 'use C::IO' too? | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | tried that too | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm now trying to use the _buildObject pardigm | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | and overload that | 17:35 |
| @Haarg | are you using Apache2::Reload? | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not using that anymore b/c it gave C::IO problems | 17:36 |
| @Haarg | that's all that comes to mind right away | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | me too | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | it sucks | 17:36 |
| @Haarg | can you pastebin your subclass's code? | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | even better | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll put it in my experimetal branch | 17:37 |
| elnino | I'm using http://analyze.websiteoptimization.com/wso and it says, I could save ### bytes if I compressed my images. how do I compress images,I'm being congratulated that my html is compressed... I'm using wre, so I figured it's probably doing all that...? | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | haarg | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/experimental/ChartMagick/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Chart/ChartMagick.pm | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | and its superclass | 17:41 |
| @Haarg | in the subclass you aren't calling register on $self after you get it from SUPER::new | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i tried that too | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | even stranger | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | the session accessor of the super class didn't work | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | i can imagine that the proeprties in the subclass aren't being p[rocess correctly | 17:44 |
| @Haarg | session is defined as private | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | true | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it used to be readonly | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then it didn't work | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | I made a session sub doing what it's supposed to | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i changed to private for the tim ebeing | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | even if I put session on readonly again and remove all the C::IO stuff from WG::Chart::ChartMagick | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | the session accessor isn't being generated | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's weird | 17:50 |
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| @Haarg | i'm not really sure - nothing stands out | 17:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah i know | 17:52 |
| @Haarg | i'd have to actually run the code | 17:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | i've used C::IO on numerous occasions | 17:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and never had problems like this | 17:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks for thinking along though | 17:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r9458 /experimental/ChartMagick/ (27 files in 13 dirs): Fixes plus wg integration. Not yet functional! | 17:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | From a utility script it seems to work | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | but from apache not so much | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | ... | 18:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, that sounds like the caching problem that we found, where forked processes didn't play well with one another. | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | But C::IO has proven pretty impervious to that in the past | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and the Shop seems to work well... | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm totally out of ideas | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | when I do it from a util script it works fine | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | but when I run it from the poll it doesn't at all | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | while using the exact same contruction and config hash | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's extra frustrating b/c i wanted to finish the wg part before I go skiing | 18:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | ie. today | 18:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's not gonna happen anymore | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | due to this stupid problem | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm totally convinced it is this really stupid little typo or what ever | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | if that is so, then the problem is in the utility script vs the Poll, and not the Chart | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | since it works in one, and not the other | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | one runs in apache an the other doesn't | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | Oh | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know something | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | see? | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll try it from a macro | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I have it on the best of authority that you know quite a bit | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | right now i know i'm frustrated | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | getting aggravated even | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's that joeri's feeding me beers | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Especially in the areas of programming, semiconductor physics and fabrication, and personal grooming. | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | or else... =) | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | did you see the nasty bug that I found last night? | 18:25 |
| elnino | good morning all - when it takses FOEVER to wreservice --stop spectre, that's bad right? anything I should look at? | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | no dice on the macro | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I literally copy/pasted the working code from the util script into a macro | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | forever is a long time, relatively | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: what nasty bug | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I've been buried in work | 18:28 |
| elnino | probably going on a minute now.. | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I unfortunately haven't been able to keep up with webgui the way i used too | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | elnino: that's too long | 18:29 |
| elnino | I know! | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno what the problem is though | 18:29 |
| elnino | kill it or wait? | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | try killing it | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | james bond kill spectre al the time | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | and if james bond does it, it must be good =) | 18:30 |
| elnino | that's right. | 18:31 |
| elnino | Does wremonitor keep trying to restart it? | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | think so | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | is your spectre showing this behaviour occasionally | 18:32 |
| elnino | so is there a way to stop wremonitor? I haven't seen any options for wreservice to stop wremonitor. | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9686 | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | haarg or perldreamer: when's teh 7.7 codefreeze | 18:32 |
| +BartJol | it's a cron right? | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | wremonitor should be run by cron yes | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | so comment it in your cronfile | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.7 hasn't branched yet, so it will be months from now | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't it on the schedule page? | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | didn't know there was one =) | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | nice bug =) | 18:34 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9686 - no, I don't do packaging. sorry. | 18:34 |
| elnino | but my machines slows down to a crawl probably once a month. | 18:35 |
| elnino | or two. | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey perldreamer, as a testing guru, do you have any suggestions for writing test for image magick base modules? | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | As a matter of fact, I do :) | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I wrote an image test | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | elnino, because of spectre? | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | now, where was it... | 18:35 |
| elnino | Well, as a matter of fact, yes. I did some screen shots of before and after ps aux | 18:36 |
| elnino | and spectre was at 58.6 for memory. | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | ouch | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | t/Macro/Thumbnail.t | 18:36 |
| elnino | after I killled it and restarted everything, it's at | 18:36 |
| elnino | 3.4 | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | it seems something's leaking | 18:37 |
| elnino | I'd say. | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | or that you have very little memory | 18:37 |
| elnino | yes. | 18:37 |
| elnino | that too. | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe some workflow instances are roorring or waiting and cause the leak | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | have you tried running spectre with --run --debug? | 18:37 |
| elnino | no, should I do that before or after killing it? | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | it can be that the spectre settings aren't optimised, Koen did that once, and I've been searching for hours | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | after | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: nice one | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | while no daemon is running | 18:39 |
| +BartJol | spectre daemon | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are the true testing guru | 18:40 |
| +BartJol | and of course run it from WebGUI/sbin, not wre/sbin/wreservice.pl | 18:41 |
| elnino | thank you I ckeep forgetting where that is... | 18:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer: http://images.straus.nl/skigebieden/frankrijk/legrandmassif.groot.jpg | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's where I go tomorrow! | 18:44 |
| elnino | is there a way to tput the output of --debug into a file, so I don't have to stare at the screen? I'm seeing nothing allarming, and if I think I do, it zooms past.. | 18:46 |
| elnino | can I > to a file? | 18:46 |
| * elnino tries | 18:46 | |
| elnino | oh good! | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, looks like tons of fun. | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't been skiing in 10 years | 18:47 |
| * elnino gets smart and puts it in background... | 18:47 | |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, command | tee file is good, too | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | then you get redirection and realtime watching at the same time | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm a big proponent of the idea to move the wuc to Februari or march and to Vail or Aspen | 18:48 |
| elnino | ooohh. nice | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | and only have one session a day | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | for three weeks | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway. I'll have to go to the bar with Bart | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | se you guy in a week or so | 18:51 |
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| +BartJol | elnino: it seems I have to drink beer, good luck with the debug output | 18:53 |
| elnino | Thanks.. I had an error in one config file, but that's fixed. | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, found the double import bug. | 19:22 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | When it updates an existing asset, with an open version tag, it sets the status to the status from the package, which is approved. | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but the asset had isLockedBy set from the original import | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | ah | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | when the version tag is committed, it only looks for assets that need to be committed. | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | since there aren't any, it doesn't reset isLockedBy and whammo | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | permanently locked assets | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | also, while digging around, I noticed that the version tags created on site creation aren't locked. I don't know if that's a problem or not. | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | i'll check on that | 19:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I have a fix, but I'm having a hard time getting my head around the downstream consequences. | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | This is how I did it. | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | If the exact same revision of the asset exists, then it does not import the new asset status from the package. | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | AssetPackage, line 150 | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is the stuff down below that, where it checks the status of the incoming package and assigns a version tag to pending assets. That will no longer be needed. | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | It changes how the import works now, where you can import stuff that hasn't been committed and it will create a version tag so it can be committed. | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I've thought it through, and don't see any problems with the change. | 20:18 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9459 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm): Remove trailing comma in Shop/Transaction JS so IE6 works. | 20:59 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9460 /translations/German/German/ (9 files): Account_<something>.pm modules completed to 100%. Hover help and template documentation still requires some polishing. | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 21:00 |
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| bernd__ | Someone particular responsible for the translation server? | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Anyone from Plain Black, but Haarg in particular. | 21:03 |
| bernd__ | Haarg, it seems that I caused a conflict. | 21:04 |
| bernd__ | Account_Friends.pm is the evil one. | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | how about committing the inverse of the patch back to the repo? | 21:04 |
| bernd__ | Do you have a commandline for doing that? | 21:04 |
| bernd__ | You mean committing the previous version? | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | first, you would do | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | svn merge -c -9460 | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | then svn commit | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | In merge, when the revision number is negative, it does the opposite of the original | 21:07 |
| bernd__ | Ok, let me check. | 21:07 |
| bernd__ | Need to change the train first! | 21:09 |
| bernd__ | Later. | 21:09 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9461 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Prevent an imported package from changing the a current asset's status from pending to anything else. | 21:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9462 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: | 21:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Congratulation on your PBWG, danny_mk! | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_ or somebody needs to give you voice status | 21:32 |
| danny_mk | Hey thanks! | 21:32 |
| danny_mk | I have been working on that YUI date picket macro | 21:33 |
| danny_mk | it is working quite well, however the validation is giving me a bit of a headache | 21:33 |
| * perlDreamer has a profound fear and lack of knowledge of javascript | 21:34 | |
| * danny_mk appreciates perlDreamer's fears :-) | 21:35 | |
| danny_mk | I am trying to get some time to write tests before the next WUC for the Auth::OpenId module but my boss is really on my ass | 21:36 |
| @preaction_ | danny_mk: you'll need to register your nickname on freenode in order for me to voice you. /msg nickserv help register <- for more information | 21:36 |
| danny_mk | OK | 21:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | bernd__, did you catch the train? | 21:41 |
| bernd__ | Yes. But I was not able to solve the problem. | 21:41 |
| bernd__ | Probably used the wrong revision. | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Is there wifi on the train? | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | or do you use a GSM modem? | 21:42 |
| bernd__ | No, it's UMTS or GPRS depending on the net available. | 21:42 |
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| bernd__ | I think, I will have to wait for Haarg to fix it. | 21:43 |
| bernd__ | Going to submit a bug report. | 21:43 |
| bernd__ | And and RFE to make the translation server bullet proof. | 21:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's going to be one tough RFE | 21:47 |
| bernd__ | Then Bernd proof only. | 21:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bernd's power far exceeds that of any paltry code that we could put in the server. | 21:51 |
| bernd__ | Too much honor. | 21:52 |
| * danny_mk has to find a job where he codes in Perl 100% of the time | 22:00 | |
| bernd__ | Wouldn't that get boring after while? | 22:01 |
| deafferret | never :) | 22:01 |
| +danny_mk | not really, I am exhausted of jumping between all these languages | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | even in WebGUI, you have to do HTML, CSS, SQL and JS | 22:01 |
| +danny_mk | I am quickly learning to hate c++ with a passion | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to think there are no any pure perl jobs | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | It's like pure math | 22:01 |
| deafferret | oh. ya. good luck getting away from html/css/sql/xml/js | 22:01 |
| bernd__ | What's wrong with C++? | 22:02 |
| * deafferret chokes | 22:02 | |
| +danny_mk | the guy that wrote this application was a "structured" cut and paste programmer | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9463 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: i18n the image labels and title for the asset manager, manage screen. | 22:02 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Also, display the username instead of the userId. | 22:02 |
| +danny_mk | he died from cancer a few weeks ago and my boss now expects me to maintain all this shit! | 22:03 |
| bernd__ | Good Luck. | 22:03 |
| bernd__ | I hope that C++ wasn't causing the cancer. | 22:03 |
| +danny_mk | I rewrote one of his "utilities" in Perl, Perl (1.5 pages) c++ (12 pages) | 22:04 |
| +danny_mk | 12 second difference | 22:04 |
| bernd__ | Which one faster? | 22:04 |
| +danny_mk | c++ of course | 22:04 |
| +danny_mk | but when my boss saw the difference he was very impressed and he finally gave Perl some credit | 22:05 |
| bernd__ | Have fun rewriting everything. | 22:05 |
| +danny_mk | hey guess what, do you know how they troubleshoot problems here? They run the entire application through ddd every time to find problems | 22:06 |
| bernd__ | ddd? | 22:06 |
| +danny_mk | c++, c debugger | 22:06 |
| bernd__ | Stupid question: is it possible to debug perl? | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | perl -d | 22:07 |
| deafferret | Log::Log4perl is also your friend | 22:07 |
| bernd__ | But does not work with mod_perl, I assume? | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you can make it work with mod_perl, too | 22:07 |
| bernd__ | So, how can I debug an asset or a macro? | 22:08 |
| deafferret | or use Catalyst, which comes with it's own dev server that's easy to perl -d | 22:08 |
| +danny_mk | Catalyst rocks! | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd__: I think your back button bug really is an RFE. | 22:10 |
| bernd__ | Ok. | 22:10 |
| bernd__ | Do you have permissions to move it? | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | No, but I'll speak of those so gifted. | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | with those | 22:11 |
| bernd__ | Thanks. | 22:11 |
| bernd__ | perlDreamer, we have a strange pagination bug on our site. | 22:12 |
| bernd__ | It's an article asset. | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | which version? | 22:12 |
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| bernd__ | 7.5.40 | 22:12 |
| bernd__ | Is it known? | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | there were some pagination bugs fixed a little while ago, in 7.6 | 22:13 |
| bernd__ | The page URLs all look like http://www.klettern-md.de/home/geschichten/frankreich-2008/michas-reisetagebuch?pn-_Mg=2 | 22:13 |
| bernd__ | I assume it should be ?pn=2 | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | well, maybe | 22:13 |
| bernd__ | What would be correct then. | 22:13 |
| bernd__ | ? | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | if there are multiple paginated articles on a page, then sometimes they leak to one another. | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so an attempt was made to make them unique for each article | 22:14 |
| bernd__ | Ah, there is a CS on the same page layout having multiple pages. | 22:15 |
| bernd__ | Anything I can do? | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | what is the bug that you're seeing? | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | just the funny URL, or is it behaving badly? | 22:15 |
| bernd__ | I cannot select other pages than the first. | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | any error messages in the log? | 22:19 |
| bernd__ | Not sure. But I cannot check at the moment. My connection is too slow for accessing the server. | 22:20 |
| bernd__ | I am going to check when I am home and submit a bug report. | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent, except for 1 thing | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | no more bug fixes for 7.5.40 | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | only for 7.6 | 22:21 |
| bernd__ | I know :-( | 22:21 |
| bernd__ | I will never understand that policy. | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's maintenance overhead | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | you can only support FOSS software for so long | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, JT would be stuck patching 5.5 | 22:22 |
| bernd__ | Yes, but it prevents releases from becoming rock solid. | 22:22 |
| bernd__ | Currently, every update causes new problems. | 22:22 |
| bernd__ | The pagination used to work in the past. | 22:22 |
| bernd__ | That problem must have been introduced only recently. | 22:22 |
| bernd__ | That is the whole problem. | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it appears that the fix for a bug introduced another bug | 22:23 |
| bernd__ | I keep updating the system and it never gets better. | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | is this 7.5.40 from a download, or from SVN? | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be back in a bit, going to grab some lunch | 22:24 |
| bernd__ | Updated via wre utility scripts. | 22:24 |
| bernd__ | That is interesting: when I change to admin mode pagination is working again. | 22:24 |
| bernd__ | Guten Appetit! | 22:24 |
| bernd__ | danny_mk, I agree that webgui should have a native chat asset. | 22:25 |
| +danny_mk | If it does not get done before I get to it I will build it, I just have to work on so much other stuff | 22:26 |
| bernd__ | Are you aware of the ShortChat asset in the bazaar? | 22:26 |
| +danny_mk | there is a simple one out here | 22:26 |
| bernd__ | Probably that one. | 22:26 |
| bernd__ | Does it still work with 7.6? | 22:27 |
| +danny_mk | not sure, i think there was a presentation done last year for it | 22:28 |
| @preaction_ | i did one in 07 that included a very simple chat asset | 22:29 |
| @preaction_ | haven't got around to updating it to use the installClass.pl script | 22:29 |
| +danny_mk | We need one that has user ban list, stealth mode, etc... | 22:29 |
| bernd__ | Why not a full IRC client? | 22:30 |
| bernd__ | I am using CGI:IRC as a workaround at the moment. | 22:30 |
| bernd__ | It is all perl. | 22:30 |
| bernd__ | But the code is terrible :-( | 22:30 |
| +danny_mk | I bet :-) | 22:31 |
| bernd__ | Why do all perl coders seem to avoid documentation in the code? | 22:31 |
| bernd__ | Even webgui devs do... | 22:31 |
| +danny_mk | Well, some of it should be intuitive | 22:31 |
| +danny_mk | however, there are some hacks out there that scare me | 22:31 |
| bernd__ | It is always only intuitive to the one who wrote it. | 22:32 |
| bernd__ | And only for the first three weeks :-) | 22:32 |
| +danny_mk | WebGUI is pretty good | 22:32 |
| +danny_mk | Well, some of it anyway :-) | 22:33 |
| +danny_mk | LOL | 22:33 |
| * danny_mk better shutup before he gets banned | 22:33 | |
| bernd__ | LOL? | 22:34 |
| elnino | laugh out loud | 22:34 |
| bernd__ | Ah. | 22:34 |
| +danny_mk | hey, I would trade Perl code for C++ code right now | 22:35 |
| +danny_mk | I could of had this done months ago | 22:35 |
| * danny_mk still talking about his current c++ development at his current job | 22:36 | |
| bernd__ | Ok, I am getting close to my destination. | 22:40 |
| bernd__ | Have fun guys! | 22:40 |
| bernd__ | And gals, of course. | 22:40 |
| +danny_mk | you too | 22:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | one of my favorite rizen quotes is: | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI is a big pile of steaming crap | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | But it's best pile of crap out there | 22:42 |
| bernd__ | Hm, wasn't that the iPhoneGuy according to the advertisement? | 22:43 |
| bernd__ | I mean, the banner shown on top of webgui.org. | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | could be | 22:43 |
| bernd__ | I think it was cut out of a chat conversation. | 22:45 |
| bernd__ | Really need to go now. Bye! | 22:45 |
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| @preaction_ | yeah, that was maxscience/iPhoneGuy | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen thought he had a third alias, too | 22:47 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, i think it's something like rubyDreamer or something | 22:48 |
| @preaction_ | pythonDreamer maybe? | 22:48 |
| @preaction_ | no, it's c#Dreamer | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | adaDreamer | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | fortranDreamer | 22:49 |
| +danny_mk | maybe groovyDreamer | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: on the bug board, we also need a promote to bug and demote to RFE feature, so I don't have to pester you guys all the time | 22:50 |
| @preaction_ | IF I HAD MY WAY... HelpDesk would have bugs and rfes in the same thing | 22:51 |
| @preaction_ | the default view would show only bugs assigned to WebGUI stable and beta projects | 22:52 |
| @preaction_ | and etc... | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that like getting peanut butter in your chocolate, and chocolate in your peanut butter | 22:52 |
| @preaction_ | i don't think that's a bad thing! | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: how about if you take me under your wing and help me fix the datatable bug? | 23:02 |
| @preaction_ | there is no datatable bug, it's a datatable feature | 23:03 |
| @preaction_ | what's the feature? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | the one where you can enter dates but they show up as NaN/NaN/NaN in the table | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess those are covert dates | 23:04 |
| @preaction_ | can't have everyone knowing our SEKIRT PLAN | 23:04 |
| @preaction_ | perlDreamer: the datatable is stored as JSON in the database, what do date columns look like? | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you want an in-channel paste, or a pastebin? | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it's _just_ 1 line | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that's 160 characters long ;) | 23:06 |
| @preaction_ | pastebin... it's one BIG line... | 23:07 |
| @preaction_ | you jerk | 23:07 |
| @preaction_ | that's what i call you because that's what you are! | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2adcd4cd | 23:07 |
| @preaction_ | uh... there's no values | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you asked for a column | 23:08 |
| @preaction_ | that's the entire json in that datatable? | 23:08 |
| @preaction_ | oh, sorry | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no, just the 1 column | 23:09 |
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| @preaction_ | MY BAD, GOD | 23:09 |
| @preaction_ | uh, i mean, what do the values look like? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6cd39e24 | 23:09 |
| @preaction_ | the combine is sending gunships after me, so i'm a little on-edge | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no need to tell God, he already knows | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | dateTtimeZ | 23:10 |
| @preaction_ | thats kinda weird really | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | when you choose the date from the date selector, it looks fine | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but after you hit save, the view display is NaN, and when you re-edit, it's NaN | 23:11 |
| @preaction_ | my next idea would be to step through the YUI DataTable initialization process (specifically the date formatter, YAHOO.format.Date i believe | 23:12 |
| @preaction_ | it seems the Date picker is setting a value the Date formatter doesn't understand | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, but when it's first added, it's fine | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'm guessing it's the parse | 23:12 |
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| juan1 | i have some sites in 7.4.40 and in them i have some problems with accents or data codification | 23:24 |
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| juan1 | i upgrade to 7.5 can i fix this problems | 23:25 |
| juan1 | apache2 has some settings related to codification | 23:26 |
| juan1 | ? | 23:26 |
| deafferret | /win 4 | 23:31 |
| deafferret | oops. sorry | 23:31 |
| elnino | not quite sure what the question is juan1 | 23:32 |
| @Haarg | it sounds like you are talking about character encoding problems juan1 | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | they should be all resolved in WebGUI 7.5 | 23:36 |
| juan1 | yes | 23:44 |
| juan1 | character encoding problems | 23:44 |
| juan1 | i had the sites 7.4.40 with problems | 23:45 |
| juan1 | now i upgraded to 7.5 and the problems continues | 23:45 |
| juan1 | i have mysql in utf8 | 23:49 |
| @preaction_ | juan1: make sure you're using the latest 7.5 | 23:49 |
| juan1 | i am in 75.20 | 23:50 |
| juan1 | now | 23:50 |
| @preaction_ | that is pretty old | 23:52 |
| juan1 | i am going to upgrade to 7.5.40 | 23:53 |
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| juan1 | now the site is 7.5.40 and the problems continues | 00:02 |
| @Haarg | what kind of problems are they? | 00:02 |
| juan1 | character encoding problems | 00:02 |
| @Haarg | yes... need a bit more to go on | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | where are you seeing the problems? | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | what kind of assets? | 00:03 |
| juan1 | CS | 00:03 |
| juan1 | polls | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | juan1, can you share a URL with us? | 00:04 |
| juan1 | what else have i to do? | 00:04 |
| juan1 | the thing is that i have a backup of one site that i have in production | 00:05 |
| juan1 | i am going to send you the link of the site in 7.4.40 | 00:06 |
| juan1 | but the problems are the same | 00:06 |
| juan1 | in the same assets | 00:06 |
| juan1 | http://www.paratufamilia.com/home/adolescencia--y-jvenes | 00:06 |
| elnino | juan1, Somehere in the upgrade, there was a bug fix for encoded characters. I was affected by this too. | 00:08 |
| elnino | I don't remember which version it was. But the squares was a result. | 00:08 |
| juan1 | no, all the upgrade was sucessfull | 00:08 |
| elnino | yes, but during the upgrade, one of the bug fixes applied to one of the versions addressed an issue with data in the database. | 00:09 |
| elnino | and the data in the database was changed either to a different datatype or encoding, which resulted in changing your data - hence the boxes with ? marks in them | 00:09 |
| elnino | I'm doing a terrible job explaining this, but I think it was perlDreamer or preation_ that explained it to me last. | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | probably preaction_ or Haarg. | 00:10 |
| elnino | It is proably mentioned in the gotchas. | 00:10 |
| elnino | but basically, webgui tried their best in retaining the encoding, but there were characters they didn't know what to do with. | 00:11 |
| elnino | the result is what you see. I had to go modify all my data. | 00:11 |
| elnino | most of the time, it was just a matter of resaving the data, | 00:11 |
| elnino | other times, I had to modify the data in the asset. | 00:11 |
| juan1 | what? | 00:12 |
| elnino | like I said, I'm doing a terrible job explaining it. | 00:12 |
| juan1 | i understand you but edit every data with problems when you have many assets specially CS is a large task | 00:14 |
| @Haarg | in 7.4 and prior, the data was being stored incorrectly in the database. sometimes it would work, but other times it caused problems. we tried to fix this in 7.5, but the conversion wasn't perfect. it wasn't always possible to tell what form the data in the database was to begin with. | 00:15 |
| juan1 | if you upgrade and continues the data problems you have to fixed manually | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | what was the upgrade path you followed? | 00:18 |
| juan1 | 7.4.40 to 7.5.20 | 00:18 |
| @Haarg | you said you are on 7.5.20 right now, what were you running prior to that? | 00:18 |
| @Haarg | ok | 00:18 |
| juan1 | 7.5.20 to 7.5.40 | 00:18 |
| juan1 | was the process correct? | 00:19 |
| @Haarg | yes, i'm just verifying something | 00:19 |
| @Haarg | was just making sure you didn't get hit with a separate issue, but you wouldn't have | 00:21 |
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| elnino | anyone have svn and webgui wre installed together? | 04:13 |
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| elnino | anyone have two instances of mysql on a single server? I didn't see a wiki on it. I suspect that after I install wre, I can start up my 'first' instance of mysql without a problem? | 04:29 |
| jmarsden | elnino: You would need to make sure each instance of MySQL bound to different TCP ports or to different (local) IP addresses if you have multiple IPs/interfcaes on your server. | 04:38 |
| elnino | ok. Thanks! I assume that bugzilla and subversion will let me do that. I'm trying to read up on those before committing to the gig. | 04:39 |
| jmarsden | I don't understand... you mean, you want to configure bugzilla and subversion to use one instance of mysql, and webgui to use a different one. Sounds doable... but why do you need to do it? | 04:40 |
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| jmarsden | They won't use the same databases anyway. | 04:41 |
| elnino | no, I believe his setup is that bugzilla and subversion are using different databases. I thought he said they both use mysql. Maybe only one of them does. | 04:41 |
| elnino | anyway, depending on what he has, I would combine them, but I dont' know enough about bugzilla and svn yet. | 04:42 |
| jmarsden | Different databases != different instances of mysql. You can have one mysql daemon that hosts hundreds of databases... I have one like that on a server I manage... | 04:42 |
| elnino | I know. | 04:42 |
| elnino | they already exist and have an instance of mysql running, I'm adding webgui to the system. | 04:43 |
| elnino | so iether I move those databases into webgui's instance, or leave as is and adjust the ports. | 04:43 |
| elnino | for the two software. | 04:44 |
| elnino | I have a feeling he alredy has two instances of mysql installed, but i'm not sure. | 04:44 |
| jmarsden | OK, so just point webgui to use that existing instance... why create a new mysql instance just for webgui?? | 04:44 |
| elnino | so webgui would be a third. | 04:44 |
| elnino | because I don'tknow howto do that with wre =) | 04:44 |
| elnino | I'd rather move those two to wre's instance, rather than moving webgui's database to their instance.. | 04:45 |
| jmarsden | Why do you need the separation of multiple instances... oh. It must configure the database params somewhere... I'd either use a source tarball webgui install, or else kill the WRE MYSQL and point webgui at the existing mysql... but that's just me. | 04:45 |
| elnino | yes, wre actually installs mysql in it's "space" | 04:46 |
| * jmarsden is uncomfortable with the whole WRE approach of "do everything yourself all over again even if the system already does it"... but that's a philosophy issue! | 04:46 | |
| elnino | I was like you jmarsden. | 04:46 |
| jmarsden | So... what made you "see the WRE light"? | 04:47 |
| elnino | but when you hand over a system to someone else, wre is TONS easier to maintain. I've done the source install, and I don't know if I'd ever recommend it again. You are probably more of a hacker than I care to be. | 04:47 |
| elnino | it took me 2 weeks to do. I had a 64-bit system that wasn't supported back then runnin suse and it was a bear. | 04:48 |
| jmarsden | That's probably true... I am a sysadmin/netadmin mostly and have been doing that for 20+ years... | 04:48 |
| elnino | it prbably wasn't just webgui, but everything I needed to install was buggy let alone I had hardware isssues too that I didn't know about | 04:48 |
| elnino | I don't have 20 yeras under my belt yet.. getting there... | 04:48 |
| jmarsden | Hopefully in future you can do the Ubuntu package install and get the best of both worlds: easy webgui install plus use the stuff the system proves :) | 04:48 |
| elnino | and it's not sysadmin. It's programing. | 04:49 |
| elnino | I had a newwork guy that did all that for me. =) | 04:49 |
| elnino | I thought ubuntu was a dev version of something else. | 04:50 |
| jmarsden | No, Ubuntu is a Linux distro the same way Fedora or Debian or SuSE or Mandriva are. | 04:50 |
| elnino | just to be sure.. wre sometimes gets a little too smart for itself, and can cause problems | 04:50 |
| elnino | hmmm. i know there's something out there, that is related to another distro, one's the dev, and the other is more for production and they have different names.. can't think. | 04:51 |
| elnino | so many out there. | 04:51 |
| jmarsden | I need to look at it more closely; I took one look at WRE, basically, went "ewwww", and chose the source tarball :) | 04:51 |
| jmarsden | Fedora can be considered the dev version for RHEL, in some ways. | 04:52 |
| elnino | lol I did the exact opposit. | 04:52 |
| elnino | maybe that's the two. | 04:52 |
| * jmarsden decides to create a virtual server this evening just to install WRE and see what it really looks like... :) | 04:56 | |
| @Haarg | elnino, it's pretty simple to configure the wre to use the system's mysql | 04:57 |
| elnino | it's got some nice utilities. Upgrades takes 10mins or so. I may look at the source install when I recover from 4 years ago. =) | 04:57 |
| elnino | I'm listening Haarg. | 04:57 |
| elnino | do I just kill it and adjust the config? | 04:57 |
| @Haarg | well, you can set the db information in the wre.conf file | 04:58 |
| @Haarg | and just never start the wre's mysql after getting it installed | 04:58 |
| elnino | ok. | 04:58 |
| @Haarg | mysql is the simplest part to use the system's version of | 04:58 |
| elnino | does the wreservice "know" that I'm using the system's mysql? | 04:58 |
| @Haarg | it wouldn't | 04:59 |
| elnino | ok. so don't do "all" | 04:59 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 04:59 |
| @Haarg | but that's usually never needed anyway | 04:59 |
| elnino | I'll commit it out. | 04:59 |
| elnino | s/commit/comment | 04:59 |
| elnino | Haarg, i'm writting a VERY simple/high level wiki. are there any startup scripts in wre that would need to be disabled? | 05:05 |
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| elnino | Haarg, what about perl.. I believe either subversion or bugzilla uses perl...should I modify the conf as if I was following the source install instrcutions (which I've done before) | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | does anybody have a good maultaschen recipe? | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | where good = not much spinach | 05:34 |
| elnino | you mean Spaetzle | 05:34 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, Spaetzle we have covered | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maultaschen | 05:35 |
| elnino | oh, this is filled pasta. are you german. | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | No, but my wife wants to be | 05:35 |
| elnino | lol | 05:35 |
| +perlDreamer | She's reading over my shoulder, she says Hi! | 05:35 |
| elnino | I could ask my mom....it's still early. | 05:36 |
| elnino | hi! | 05:36 |
| elnino | she's bound to have german recipies. | 05:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Your mom? She's german? And Schwabish? | 05:36 |
| elnino | she's 100% german. makeing me half. | 05:36 |
| elnino | my dad, well, the other half of me is mutt. | 05:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy spent a year on exchange in Germany while she was in college. | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | i had to chase her across the Atlantic ocean twice! | 05:37 |
| elnino | And you won! | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Lucky man that I am. | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Fortunately for me, Portland is large enough that is sports a few German deli's and restaurants. | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | so we can get ingredients and stuff that are hard to find over here | 05:39 |
| elnino | I'm on the phone with my mom. She doesn't have a recipe, but she knows someone that might. When do you need it by? | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | No rush. Several weeks would be great | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | We just found out tonight that the boys will eat it. | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | So now if we can make it from scratch, we can have it more often. | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Please tell you mom and her friend that I owe them one. | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | so if they ever need WebGUI help, perl programming, etc. I've got it covered. | 05:40 |
| jmarsden | perlDreamer: http://www.chefkoch.de/rs/s0/maultaschen/Rezepte.html has 147 Maultaschen recipies... good enough? | 05:41 |
| elnino | =) | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome quantity, but tried and true always helps | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we could swap your mom for a recipe | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Does she like breakfast cookies? | 05:42 |
| elnino | lol. | 05:42 |
| elnino | you think that I would have more time on my hands, but I seem to be spending as much time on the computer as I did working =( | 05:44 |
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| elnino | i would liked to have tried that recipe by now | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Other things came up | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Besides we had it for 15 years before we tried to make any | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | You've only had it for a week. | 05:49 |
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| elnino | Did Kathy just sign on? | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | she's had an account for a while | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but she's not on very often | 06:05 |
| elnino | You know, the comment I made about my dad, that didn't sound too good, did it? ... He has a lot of nationalities, that's what I meant. It could have been taken a very wrong way in many ways. | 06:09 |
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| OrenShani | hello | 13:42 |
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| daviddelikat | any body know how to create a 'help desk' | 17:14 |
| daviddelikat | what item on the 'new content' admin menu is used? | 17:14 |
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| wgGuest85 | Hello? | 19:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9465 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9671: Survey - breaks admin bar | 19:46 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9466 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixing a problem with previous survey fix | 23:21 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9467 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: - Added a switch to allow the use of non-WebGUI objects with the Workflow | 23:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: engine. | 23:53 |
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| elnino | hi. | 05:19 |
| elnino | after my last spell of seeing spectre using 58% of my memory, I decided to watch it a little closer. | 05:19 |
| elnino | every hour it increases about 1.5 when viewing it via ps aux | 05:20 |
| elnino | then I started seeing two of them. | 05:20 |
| elnino | So first question, what would cause two of them to appear? | 05:20 |
| elnino | running 7.5.24 | 05:20 |
| elnino | with 8.5 wre (I believe) | 05:21 |
| @preaction_ | elnino: two of them because one can't be killed by the wremonitor (the one that is growing out of control) | 05:43 |
| elnino | ok. thanks | 05:43 |
| elnino | I'm thinking I should restart the spectre service every night. | 05:43 |
| elnino | thoughts? | 05:43 |
| elnino | that way it doesn't have a chance to grow. I really don't know how to even start looking to see why it's growing over time... =( | 05:46 |
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| elnino | hi patspam | 06:25 |
| patspam | hi elnino! | 06:25 |
| elnino | just waking up? | 06:25 |
| patspam | heh i wish, 3:30pm over here :) | 06:25 |
| elnino | I thought you were 12 hours diff | 06:26 |
| patspam | which tz are you in? | 06:26 |
| elnino | CST | 06:26 |
| elnino | minnesota | 06:26 |
| elnino | I guess it's only 7 hours. | 06:27 |
| patspam | ah ok.. cst is UTC-6 | 06:27 |
| patspam | I'm in EST which is UTC+10 | 06:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | 1:26pm here | 06:27 |
| elnino | yep. | 06:28 |
| elnino | where are you radix-wrk? | 06:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | Opposite side of australia to patspam ;) | 06:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | West Coast | 06:28 |
| patspam | nice and far away from the bushfires! | 06:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | We get enough here too usually.. but yeah.. you guys are having a hard time atm :( | 06:29 |
| elnino | niether of you have much of an accent. =) | 06:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | irc accents.. yeah, that's something that'd be interesting.. | 06:29 |
| elnino | can't be too far away, record your voice, and the computer can read the words in your tone... | 06:35 |
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| elnino | hey preaction_, do you see an issues of me restartn gmy spectre everynight so it doesn't grow too big over time? I don't know how to even start looking to see why it grows over time. unless you do. | 07:09 |
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| wgGuest93 | TEST | 09:26 |
| wgGuest93 | HELLO | 09:26 |
| wgGuest93 | SOMEBODY HERE | 09:26 |
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| zylopfa | Anyone familar with the payment driver api? | 15:19 |
| ryuu_ro | kind of, what are you looking for? | 15:19 |
| zylopfa | I am creating a driver for a danish payment provider (the one banks also use) | 15:20 |
| zylopfa | Problem with this is that you don't get a "postback' when the users subscription needs to be renewed | 15:20 |
| zylopfa | You should handling the "re-authorization" yourself, the provider dont do this | 15:20 |
| ryuu_ro | yeah, that's sounds like a familair problem | 15:21 |
| zylopfa | So I have to create "workflows" on the run, whenever i get a subscriber | 15:21 |
| zylopfa | It will be a lot of workflows like this :( | 15:22 |
| ryuu_ro | do you know how often a subscription needs to be renewed? | 15:22 |
| zylopfa | Will that not be a major ressource hog? | 15:22 |
| ryuu_ro | every three months or so? | 15:22 |
| zylopfa | Every month or so | 15:22 |
| zylopfa | but its the sku that should define that | 15:23 |
| zylopfa | so its different from what sku you have | 15:23 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, so every evening/night you wan't to run a workflow to check for the subscriptons | 15:23 |
| ryuu_ro | and for how many users? | 15:23 |
| zylopfa | ahh yeah good idea | 15:23 |
| zylopfa | it should scale very good | 15:23 |
| zylopfa | I have no users atm but i plan for it to be used with thousands of users | 15:24 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, at this moment we run workflows every night that process about 50.000 thousand users | 15:24 |
| zylopfa | I can check the users every day which are in the group for the sku's | 15:24 |
| zylopfa | cause the sku's for recurring define what group users should be in | 15:25 |
| zylopfa | yeah ryuu_ro i should make 1 workflow for this | 15:25 |
| ryuu_ro | it takes up to half an hour on the most complex workflows | 15:25 |
| ryuu_ro | yeah | 15:25 |
| ryuu_ro | absolutely | 15:25 |
| zylopfa | I want it to make the workflow dynamically | 15:25 |
| zylopfa | so other users can use my module easy | 15:25 |
| zylopfa | so they dont have to worry about creating workflows or setting them up | 15:25 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, well that sounds good :) | 15:26 |
| zylopfa | Its the major danish payment provider i make it for | 15:26 |
| zylopfa | they are in charge of clearing all creditcards in denmark | 15:26 |
| ryuu_ro | which one is that? In holland we have Ogone | 15:26 |
| zylopfa | all other providers go through this company also banks | 15:26 |
| zylopfa | PBS its called | 15:26 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, thats cool | 15:27 |
| zylopfa | Banks Payment Serivces its called if you translate it | 15:27 |
| zylopfa | Its also the entity that own the danish credit card the "Dankort" | 15:27 |
| zylopfa | ryuu_ro, thanks a lot for helping me clear this out | 15:28 |
| ryuu_ro | no problem! Good luck with creating the workflow | 15:28 |
| zylopfa | thanks a lot! | 15:28 |
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| SDuensin | Hello all. | 18:10 |
| @preaction | morning | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, SDuensin | 18:12 |
| * SDuensin is still alive out here. Just damn busy. | 18:13 | |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9468 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm): Fix bad form variable for phone number in EMS Badge address info. | 19:22 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9469 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixed Matrix best/worst rated lists | 19:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | err, what's broken when the asset manager isn't showing any assets? | 20:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and Haarg that tmpl editor function for wgd is incredibly useful. | 20:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, nevermind, it is of course a domain name issue. | 20:09 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the office. bbiaw | 20:24 | |
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| +perlDreamer | can someone with a Safari browser please try to duplicate this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9107 | 21:05 |
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| ryuu_ro | perlDreamer: works for me | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I want to hear | 21:14 |
| ryuu_ro | :) | 21:15 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9470 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Prefill in the email address in the ITransact credentials form from the user's Shop address. | 21:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: in 7.6 does the wgd edittmpl have problems if there is nothing in the head tag for you? | 21:50 |
| @Haarg | are you using edittmpl? | 21:51 |
| @rizen | git sucks | 21:51 |
| @Haarg | i haven't actually used the command much myself | 21:51 |
| @rizen | git requires more work | 21:51 |
| @rizen | git is less safe | 21:51 |
| @rizen | and Haarg likes git | 21:51 |
| @rizen | so that makes it doubly worse | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | but in the latest version that command is just called 'edit' | 21:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yep | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, git is like a very large, very sharp +5 battle axe of code management | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it must be swung very carefully | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, you can chop off your own legs and bleed to death in a frenzy of version control | 21:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: ah, looks like whatever was wrong is fixed in the latest | 21:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | thanks :) | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but when facing monsters, it is your best friend | 21:54 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: if git and svn were in a fight, git might be able to slice svn in half, but svn would win because it could stab git in the belly before git even got moving | 21:55 |
| zylopfa | I am having some interesting problems with my payment driver | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | bring it on, zylopfa | 21:56 |
| zylopfa | ok here it is: the payment gateway i code against does not post back when a recurring payment is due | 21:57 |
| zylopfa | you have to do it yourself in webgui code | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | then you need a workflow | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | or, even better, a cron job | 21:57 |
| zylopfa | all the payment gateway do is save the creditcard data for later deduction | 21:58 |
| zylopfa | yeah but my real problem is this | 21:58 |
| zylopfa | I made an initial transaction for the recurring subscription | 21:58 |
| zylopfa | and the subscriber has been put in the group SubscriberGroup | 21:58 |
| zylopfa | this is good so far | 21:58 |
| zylopfa | BUT | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a "but" | 21:59 |
| zylopfa | now i need to create a daily that checks the SubscriberGroup's members, transaction ( the initial one) | 21:59 |
| zylopfa | and make a new transaction using the id of the initial transaction | 21:59 |
| zylopfa | but i dont know how this is done best | 22:00 |
| zylopfa | i mean i need relations from "SubscriberGroup" => these users transactions, that put them in this group | 22:00 |
| zylopfa | I dont know how i do this | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds like you need a separate table | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that records userIds and transactions | 22:01 |
| zylopfa | damn, thats not so pro when i want to make a payment driver for webgui | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | also, for ease, expiration dates | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if the system stores credit card data, that's another problem | 22:01 |
| zylopfa | my system doesnt | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it is forbidden for core code to store credit card data | 22:02 |
| zylopfa | it only store original transaction id | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, that's okay then | 22:02 |
| zylopfa | and from that you can draw more money from the card | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the same thing, then | 22:02 |
| zylopfa | I can make the first transactions fine, but i have problem making subsequent ones | 22:02 |
| zylopfa | cause i cant find a query that can do it | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what building the 2nd table would get you | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | in my opinion, anyway | 22:03 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, but no creditcard data is on my system its in the paymentgateways system | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I understand, zylopfa | 22:03 |
| zylopfa | I wanted to make it easy like this: subscribers gets added to "Subscribers" group and a workflow is executed when they expire | 22:04 |
| zylopfa | this workflow then initiates recurring payments based on original transactionid | 22:04 |
| @rizen | Haarg is a complainer | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, are you sure you're not confusing Haarg with me? | 22:05 |
| zylopfa | but i guess its better to create a table with "current recurring subscriptions" | 22:05 |
| @rizen | turns out Haarg has vanity issues | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, a separate table is very clear. | 22:06 |
| * perlDreamer staunchly defends Haarg | 22:06 | |
| +perlDreamer | and reminds rizen that we had similar problems switching from CVS to SVN | 22:07 |
| @rizen | i should also mention that Haarg is a purist | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | if we switch git, it will be the last version control system we use ever! | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | for at least two years | 22:07 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, if i want this driver to be included in webgui isn't it stupid to use none core things? like adding new tables to the shop thing? | 22:07 |
| @rizen | which makes him not only elitest but exclusionary | 22:07 |
| @rizen | which goes against the principals of open source | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, adding new tables is not a problem | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | just manage them well | 22:08 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 22:08 |
| zylopfa | the payment driver is pretty complex when you have to take care of the recurring things yourself | 22:08 |
| zylopfa | ITransact dont have to do that | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | if it really bothers you, you could run through the entire transaction table and manually check for the data | 22:08 |
| zylopfa | either does Paypal | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but wow, that's a lot of work | 22:08 |
| zylopfa | yeah but the Subscriptions has different revisions | 22:09 |
| zylopfa | well i make the extra table | 22:09 |
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| zylopfa | The gateway i program to uses SOAP | 22:10 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, when i have made this PayDriver, the PayPal one will be piece of cake | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. I might have been able to pick up a customer if WebGUI had a PayPal plugin | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so the sooner it is done, the better | 22:12 |
| zylopfa | ok i will make it very soon then | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | they went with a dotNetNuke site | 22:12 |
| zylopfa | and with recurring and all the stuff it support | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and it is dog slow | 22:12 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, can i ask some other things | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: we can forgive him his puritanical ways, he drinks dark beer, hacks perl and builds beautiful tools | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, you may always ask | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no need to ask | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | although, I need to leave the coffeeshop soon | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | (10 minutes or so) | 22:14 |
| zylopfa | when you create a Subscription Wobject | 22:14 |
| zylopfa | you have the option to choose subscription period | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | ywa | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:15 |
| zylopfa | but its limited to 6 presets, like week,2weeks, month, ect. | 22:15 |
| zylopfa | could there be made an alteration to the definition so you can provide the number of days? | 22:15 |
| zylopfa | in addition to the presets maybe | 22:16 |
| zylopfa | or should i just create another Subscription module that overrides the definition? | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I would do | 22:17 |
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| zylopfa | yeah me too | 22:17 |
| zylopfa | its fairly easy | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | changes to Shop::Pay.pm would need to supported by all plugins | 22:17 |
| zylopfa | yeah true | 22:17 |
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| zylopfa | perlDreamer, but Shop.Pay has nothing to do with the subscription itself | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Asset/Sku/Subscription pulls recurrance data from Shop/Pay.pm | 22:18 |
| zylopfa | its just the amount of time before the user gets removed from the subscription | 22:18 |
| zylopfa | Are you sure perlDreamer ? | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | very sure | 22:19 |
| zylopfa | I thought it was like this: | 22:19 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: i'd like to set a new IRC policy | 22:19 |
| @rizen | instead of telling people that they don't have to ask to ask | 22:19 |
| zylopfa | yeah thats me | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | See line 141 of Asset/Sku/Subscription | 22:19 |
| @rizen | simply say "shoot" or "go" or "do it" | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | will do, rizen | 22:19 |
| @rizen | it's far shorter than all that other nonsense | 22:19 |
| @rizen | and probably less frustrating to the end user | 22:20 |
| zylopfa | Pay Subscription => user gets put in group defined in subscription sku | 22:20 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: i'm incapable of forgiving haarg because bitching at him about how ridiclous git is, well, it's just too much fun | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | well, far be it from me to deprive you of such fun | 22:21 |
| zylopfa | and they get removed by a workflow that remove users from the groups they expired from | 22:21 |
| @rizen | so to commit instead of doing: | 22:21 |
| @rizen | svn update | 22:21 |
| metanil | What factor determines the accessibility of each Admin Console components? | 22:21 |
| @rizen | svn commit -m "something" | 22:21 |
| @rizen | i must do | 22:21 |
| @rizen | git pull origin master | 22:21 |
| @rizen | git commit -a -m "something" | 22:21 |
| @rizen | git push origin | 22:21 |
| @rizen | that's a lot more typing | 22:21 |
| @rizen | i'm going to be 50% less efficient | 22:22 |
| @rizen | at least until i write the "gitspit" command | 22:22 |
| @rizen | and the "gitsuck" command | 22:22 |
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| @Haarg | git config alias.up 'pull origin master' | 22:22 |
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| juan1 | what is the best way to migrate a site between servers? | 22:23 |
| @bpmedley | that would probably take a support ticket | 22:23 |
| @Haarg | only if it's hosted with us | 22:23 |
| zylopfa | juan1, dump the database | 22:24 |
| @Haarg | and copy the uploads directory | 22:24 |
| zylopfa | and backup the /data tree | 22:24 |
| zylopfa | and copy the data tree to the new server | 22:24 |
| @Haarg | you may or may not need to transfer the config file as well | 22:24 |
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| zylopfa | and load the database back to your mysql there | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg config files would come with /data | 22:24 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, you are wonderful ;-) | 22:24 |
| zylopfa | indeed! | 22:24 |
| bernd_kz | Thanks for the patch! | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, bernd_kz | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | if you're only copying one site though | 22:25 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | doing the entire /data is a bit much | 22:25 |
| zylopfa | true | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | depending on your setup of course | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but it does guarantee that you get exactly the same setup on both sites | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | and if the other server needs a different wre etc | 22:25 |
| zylopfa | I have done a lot of copying of sites to other servers | 22:26 |
| @Haarg | you'd likely need to adjust the configs for ip addresses and such | 22:26 |
| zylopfa | both 1 at a time and whole instalations of sites | 22:26 |
| zylopfa | yeah Haarg you need to tune the config files | 22:26 |
| zylopfa | or rather the apache ones | 22:26 |
| juan1 | thanks for the suggestions, i am going to follow your instructions | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | mucho suerte, juan1 | 22:27 |
| zylopfa | just remember to backup the server you move to | 22:27 |
| zylopfa | if it has webgui sites installed already | 22:28 |
| juan1 | ok | 22:28 |
| zylopfa | even if you think you can do it right, its very not good if you make errors (i did that ) | 22:28 |
| juan1 | thanks | 22:29 |
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| zylopfa | any time | 22:33 |
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| metanil | What factor determines the accessibility of each Admin Console components? | 22:43 |
| @Haarg | ui level usually | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | some things have real permissions attached | 22:47 |
| metanil | ui levels are for assets .. right? | 22:49 |
| metanil | but admin console are operations. | 22:49 |
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| @Haarg | ui levels are used in a lot of places | 22:51 |
| @Haarg | for assets, particular fields in assets, and parts of the admin console | 22:52 |
| metanil | so for example, how is it defined for "Content Manager"'s UI Level ? | 22:53 |
| metanil | because i know Content Manager won't be able to view (or edit) most of the admin stuffs. | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | ui level is per user | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | not attached to groups | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | Are deleting accounts for people who abuse the wiki with advertising? | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Are we deleting accounts, that is. | 23:06 |
| metanil | Haarg: but there must be some kind of restrictive rules not allowing to access some of the content of admin console.. so how do webgui determines it? | 23:07 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer i should but i was lazy and just deleted their revision instead. | 23:14 |
| @rizen | i thought about deleting haargs account for setting me up with git though | 23:14 |
| @rizen | luckily for him i was lazy on that count too | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but then you'd be stuck with doing support | 23:15 |
| @rizen | oh no, i have bpmedley and stdavid for that | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but then you'd be stuck training them how to do support | 23:16 |
| @rizen | already have | 23:16 |
| @rizen | they're already doing it | 23:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | but Haarg is already trained on how to deal with rizen. Who else is going to do that if you delete his account? | 23:22 |
| @preaction | that's part of the problems, there's no fun of breaking in the newbies with Haarg | 23:23 |
| @rizen | as far as i know i haven't made stDavid or bpmedley cry or scream in horror even once yet | 23:24 |
| @rizen | no fun for me | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, you're just not trying hard enough yet | 23:25 |
| @rizen | i'm going to try hard this week | 23:25 |
| @rizen | i'll be assigning their tasks for 7.7 development this week | 23:25 |
| @rizen | and all the milestone dates | 23:25 |
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| @rizen | that should have bpmedley and stDavid screaming like little girls | 23:26 |
| @rizen | oh hi bpmedley i didn't see you there | 23:26 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:26 |
| @bpmedley | oh dear | 23:26 |
| @bpmedley | sorry.. i had to goto a different coffee shop | 23:27 |
| @rizen | bpmedley: are you still visiting your parents, or is it the DSL line back at your office that died on you? | 23:28 |
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| @bpmedley | will need to wait until tomorrow to get dsl back at my home office | 23:29 |
| bernd_kz | rizen, did I get you correctly that we can keep applying patches to the 7.5.x branch? | 23:29 |
| @rizen | yup | 23:30 |
| bernd_kz | Cool! Thanks. | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | bernd_kz, keep in mind that you'll only want to make code changes | 23:30 |
| @rizen | 7.5 has no more official releases coming out | 23:30 |
| bernd_kz | So no more update scripts, correct? | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | correct | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | not unless you want to make manual upgrade scripts from that point forward | 23:30 |
| bernd_kz | Good. I will keep that in mind. | 23:31 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, just applied your fix to my site. | 23:31 |
| bernd_kz | It's working. Thanks again! | 23:32 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: 7.4 is no more stable than 7.5 | 23:32 |
| @rizen | i got the impression from your email that you think 7.4 is somehow more stable | 23:32 |
| @preaction | probably less so | 23:32 |
| bernd_kz | No, 7.5.40 is more stable than 7.6.11? is what I was trying to say. | 23:32 |
| @rizen | oh | 23:32 |
| @rizen | ok | 23:32 |
| @rizen | yeah, 7.6 still needs some work | 23:33 |
| bernd_kz | But you may prove me wring. | 23:33 |
| bernd_kz | wrong | 23:33 |
| @rizen | but it's at the beginning of it's life | 23:33 |
| @rizen | an 7.5 is at the end | 23:33 |
| @rizen | so that makes sense | 23:33 |
| bernd_kz | I know. It's a natural process. | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | In biology, stable == dead | 23:33 |
| @rizen | same for coe | 23:34 |
| @rizen | code | 23:34 |
| bernd_kz | Hm, I should probably contradict. But I cannot come up with something meaningful... :-( | 23:34 |
| bernd_kz | BTW, I talked Mr. | 23:35 |
| bernd_kz | No, hit the enter key to early. | 23:35 |
| bernd_kz | What I wanted to say is that I talked to some guy from the organizers of Open Source Expo again. | 23:35 |
| bernd_kz | It will still take them a while for preparing sign up forms and brochures. | 23:36 |
| bernd_kz | Be had little doubt that we can have a booth there. | 23:36 |
| bernd_kz | So who is coming to visit Karlsruhe and Heidelberg? | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Boy, am I glad that dreamersgirl is not online right now. | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | She would volunteer in a heartbeat | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would have to include a sidetrip to Gersbach | 23:37 |
| bernd_kz | Cool. I am going to reserve our best guest room for you. | 23:37 |
| bernd_kz | Parents in law? | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | No, university professor. | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | But we cannot afford to come. | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | We hope she is going to start at the University for nursing in June | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | so we have to save all we can for tuition | 23:38 |
| bernd_kz | Hm, rizen was talking about sponsoring exhibitions on conferences. | 23:38 |
| bernd_kz | Maybe he wants to sponsor the flight??? | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I think he was talking about locals doing things to keep costs down. | 23:38 |
| bernd_kz | Ah, I see. | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | but if he wanted to fly us out to Deutschland I wouldn't argue too much | 23:39 |
| bernd_kz | He is quite good at that, isn't he? | 23:39 |
| bernd_kz | I think he is pretending not to listen. | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen is a very good, frugal manager. | 23:39 |
| bernd_kz | frugal? | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | doing the most with what you have | 23:40 |
| bernd_kz | Useful vocabulary. | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | I am going to remember. | 23:41 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: are you calling me cheap? | 23:42 |
| @rizen | cuz i'm not cheap | 23:42 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | frugal != cheap | 23:42 |
| @rizen | khenn is the cheap one | 23:42 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:42 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: perlDreamer is right, having locals man the booth keeps the cost down | 23:42 |
| @rizen | so i'm happy to ship you supplies | 23:43 |
| @rizen | but i can't ship you people | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | That's alright. I did not expect it. | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | unless they fit in several small boxes? :) | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | I was just wondering if someone was eager to come. | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | I can offer free lodging... | 23:43 |
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| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, snail mail for more than 4 weeks on the Atlantic ocean? | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | it is less than optimal. I'll have to get a handcrank to recharge the battery. | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | I see you are making plans already. | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | Don't forget to ship in time!!! | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | Ok, guys. Time for me to go to bed. | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | Good night. | 23:46 |
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| * perlDreamer heads off to a conference. | 00:12 | |
| * deafferret eats a donut. err... oh, wait. nevermind | 00:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | that's at 4:00pm PST, deafferret. Be patient | 00:15 |
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| deafferret | pizza standard time? | 00:19 |
| deafferret | 3 minute conference? wow ;) | 00:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | mmmm | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | pizza | 00:59 |
| @rizen | sounds good to me | 00:59 |
| * perlDreamer has fond dreams of TeddyWedgers | 00:59 | |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't eat one last year | 00:59 |
| * perlDreamer is having the dt's | 01:00 | |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: one more reason to dislike Haarg besides the fact that he likes git is that he doesn't like Teddy Wedgers | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case he's canned | 01:01 |
| @rizen | hahahhaha | 01:01 |
| @rizen | i knew i could turn you against him | 01:01 |
| @rizen | now i just need to turn git against him and all will be right in the universe | 01:01 |
| @rizen | maybe we should just switch to mecurial or one of those other new version control systems | 01:02 |
| @rizen | that would piss him off | 01:02 |
| @rizen | or go back to cvs | 01:02 |
| @rizen | that would really get him | 01:02 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd have to leave if we went back to CVS | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's like potty training all over again | 01:03 |
| @rizen | ok, well maybe i'll have to give up the fight | 01:03 |
| @rizen | cuz i can't lose you | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: you need this: http://scifiwire.com/2009/02/human-or-toaster-the-new-iphone-cylon-detector-lets-you-be-sure.php | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | probably easier to get Haarg to like TeddyWedgers | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe some operant conditioning, with drug and psychomediation | 01:03 |
| @rizen | you know, despite all of haargs shortcomings | 01:03 |
| @rizen | i still like him | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | and unfortunately i made the decision long ago not to hate him for not liking teddy wedgers | 01:04 |
| @rizen | but that doesn't mean i can't razz him about it | 01:04 |
| @rizen | as for that iphone app | 01:04 |
| @rizen | that only works if you're a fan of battlestar | 01:04 |
| @rizen | which i am not | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we need to modify it to detect PHP users | 01:05 |
| @rizen | that would be far more useful | 01:05 |
| @rizen | http://www.bbspot.com/news/2000/6/php_suspend.html | 01:06 |
| @rizen | it's a sad sad day: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/03/perl_test.html | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it was a sad day 8 years ago | 01:07 |
| @rizen | i have really long days | 01:08 |
| @rizen | i still love those two articles even after all these years | 01:08 |
| @rizen | =) | 01:08 |
| patspam | the last paragraph rubs a bit.. "It is believed that many users started by using Perl and moved on to the more powerful PHP" | 01:11 |
| patspam | woohoo today is version bump day! oh wait, it's still feb 9th for you guys, damn.. | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | 8 hours and 35 minutes | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | not that we're counting or anything :) | 01:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | which man page has the list of perl warnings? | 01:47 |
| @preaction | perldoc perldiag | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, precation! | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to setup an alias perlwarn = perldiag | 01:52 |
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| * perlDreamer heads off to go running | 01:55 | |
| +perlDreamer | cue deafferret's dietary abuse rant of the day | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | one nice thing about git is when you commit, you can ask it to show you what the patch looks like | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and when you do git diff, it uses your pager by default | 04:15 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9471 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: improving matrix performance | 04:39 |
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| patspam | preaction: ping | 04:49 |
| patspam | ooh rizen is still here, even better | 04:50 |
| patspam | re: Andy's "Adding Rich Text to Data Table" RFE | 04:50 |
| @rizen | re: re: re: re | 04:50 |
| patspam | Andy is looking for a nice way for content managers to put content into a table | 04:51 |
| @rizen | nobody likes andy very much | 04:52 |
| patspam | if that table is a YUI-powered table then more's the better, because it looks perdy | 04:52 |
| patspam | heh, andy included | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but he makes very nice drawings | 04:52 |
| @rizen | drawrings? | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | drawnoses, too | 04:53 |
| patspam | andyillustrations.com | 04:53 |
| @rizen | i know what he's going for patspam | 04:53 |
| @rizen | i just don't know if that's what we want datatable to do | 04:53 |
| @rizen | i'm still thinking on it | 04:53 |
| @preaction | if he wants that, there is Thingy | 04:54 |
| @preaction | DataTable == spreadsheet | 04:54 |
| @rizen | datatable != spreadsheet | 04:54 |
| @rizen | webgui will not have a spreadsheet | 04:55 |
| @rizen | i disagree with you on that preaction | 04:55 |
| patspam | a YUI-powered Thingy template would probably do it | 04:55 |
| patspam | we could even use the JSON api I get yung to build a few months ago to do it | 04:56 |
| @rizen | cuz we're not going to do any of the formula calculation bs that a spreadsheet does | 04:56 |
| @rizen | but at the same time it doesn't seem like a good idea to put formatted content into the datatable | 04:57 |
| @rizen | i think that preaction's intentions to keep data table's data clear of HTML is a good one | 05:00 |
| @rizen | because it gives us more flexibility to do crazy stuff | 05:00 |
| @rizen | html is just so willy nilly | 05:00 |
| @rizen | it can cause formatting problems | 05:00 |
| @rizen | anyway, sorry. i'm just thinking outloud | 05:01 |
| @rizen | oh, and git sucks | 05:01 |
| patspam | yeah.. if you were doing it all via js you'd have your data source with pure data, and then use DataTable formatters to render the data into whatever pretty html you liked, whilst still being able to sort/manipulate the raw data | 05:01 |
| @preaction | hence using thingy to have key=>value pairs of data | 05:05 |
| @preaction | and relational records (behavior, sub-behavior, symptom, etc...) | 05:05 |
| patspam | andy's coming to the wuc this year | 05:07 |
| patspam | you can all tell him how much you love him then | 05:07 |
| Lisette | how to do to get the address of shipping into paydriver? | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette,it is attached to the cart object. | 05:25 |
| Lisette | cart or self? | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Cart | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | From the PayDriver, $self->getCart | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | then you can check the Cart API on how to get the shipping address | 05:29 |
| Lisette | thanks | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | way to go daviddelikat! | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you think we need to tell the YUI group about this? | 06:13 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Merge branch 'master' into survey | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: * master: (127 commits) | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Prefill in the email address in the ITransact credentials form from the user's Shop address. | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fixed Matrix best/worst rated lists | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix bad form variable for phone number in EMS Badge address info. | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: - Added a switch to allow the use of non-WebGUI objects with the Workflow | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9474 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Part-way through merging Survey features from trunk | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Cleaned up Survey Edit screen, hover help, layout etc.. | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added "jump to" AutoComplete box on Section Edit dialog (as per Answer | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Edit dialog) | 10:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: N.B. "take survey" is currently broken, but will be easy to fix | 10:20 |
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| * plainhao is having trouble with a lot of little details and wrong assumptions, actually :) | 13:30 | |
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| Lisette | i can modify the fields of an address shipping? | 15:09 |
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| Lisette | can i modify the fields of an shipping address? | 15:14 |
| +BartJol | I'm not sure, if you can it should be one of the shop templates | 15:17 |
| Lisette | ok, thanks | 15:21 |
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| daviddelikat | where can I find some documentation for ad manager? | 16:55 |
| +BartJol | isn't that in the help? | 16:56 |
| daviddelikat | I've been searching weggui.com for different things and I come up empty | 16:58 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I don't see it in the help, allthough I know it is in one of the books | 16:59 |
| daviddelikat | where can I find the books? | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | the administraors guide, to be precise | 17:00 |
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| daviddelikat | something to buy? | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2 | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | yes | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | 6000 karma it appears | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | for a b/w edition | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | but | 17:02 |
| +BartJol | if it's something short and simple, I'm willing to look it up | 17:02 |
| daviddelikat | I just need to know how to get into the ad manager | 17:03 |
| +BartJol | well it is in the admin console | 17:03 |
| daviddelikat | ahah! not under new content... | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | there you can add adspces, that are invoked by a macro | 17:04 |
| daviddelikat | that is a good start | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | yes | 17:04 |
| daviddelikat | many thanks | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | it's a start | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | np | 17:04 |
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| Lisette | anyone know if webgui have a form control that i can resize an image like google when i atach a picture? | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | well in the settings, there is a max image size setting | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | but that applies to evrybody | 18:03 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 18:17 |
| @preaction | Lisette: not currently, no. it's something that we want but nobody's done it yet | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Howdy, everybody. | 18:26 |
| * deafferret waves | 18:27 | |
| daviddelikat | howdy | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat: sorry that I couldn't hang around later last night. Do we need to tell the YUI folks that their data stringification is broken? | 18:31 |
| daviddelikat | hmmm, I submitted a fix | 18:31 |
| daviddelikat | oh, isee | 18:32 |
| daviddelikat | no not really | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | what format does it currently output? | 18:32 |
| daviddelikat | the stringification uses a custom format internally | 18:32 |
| daviddelikat | its an iso format i think | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | and what is the change you made? | 18:32 |
| daviddelikat | JS doesn't recognize it directly | 18:32 |
| daviddelikat | I overrode it for our data tables so that it uses the JS standard format | 18:33 |
| daviddelikat | it is designed to be overridden at need | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | i don't think it's a matter of the YUI format being 'broken' | 18:34 |
| daviddelikat | correct, | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | there's no standard way to represent dates in json as far as i can tell | 18:34 |
| daviddelikat | yes, if your try Date.toString() you will get the default format | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | what does it mean, though, when it emits dates that it won't parse? | 18:35 |
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| daviddelikat | this format is recognized whin you do something like var x = Date.parse(string) | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's only the built in date parser for the DataTable then? | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: Are you working on the anymous registration bug? | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | not actively | 18:37 |
| daviddelikat | Date.parse() is a JS function | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i can | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | 't duplicate that bug on 7.6 | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have a go at it on 7.5 then | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, it exists in 7.5 | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no error messages | 18:48 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer : to answer your question about hte dates that wont parse: the YUI stringify function builds its own date string. does it the hard way too. but it is not intended to be read by JS directly. it is expected to go through 'unstringify' to get the date value back | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I found and fixed this bug in 7.6, and never backported it to 7.5 | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | email validation is also broken | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen gets 1 thumbs-up at Frozen Perl: http://use.perl.org/~gizmo_mathboy/journal/38443 | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, does the t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t test pass for you? | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:15 |
| @Haarg | what version of LWP are you using? | 19:15 |
| @Haarg | and do you have a ~/.mime.types or ~/.media.types ? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | LWP::MediaTypes 5.822 | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Neither of those files | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | LWP 5.823 | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | can you post your media.types file? | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | it should be in perl lib/LWP/media.types | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m302dc086 for the media.types file | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | is that from an rpm? | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:19 |
| Lisette | in webgui there a plugin for crop images? | 19:19 |
| @Haarg | ok | 19:19 |
| @Haarg | that's not the standard LWP file | 19:20 |
| @Haarg | causes the test to fail for anyone else | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's not a version problem? | 19:20 |
| @Haarg | if you have 5.823 then nope | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | stoopid fedora | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | how different is it from the standard one? | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/GAAS/libwww-perl-5.823/lib/LWP/media.types | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty different | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:26 |
| @Haarg | yours looks more like apache's | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it sucks when the package makers do stuff like this | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the FetchMimeType test is too aggressive, since it's really just checking the plugin to the module, rather than types | 19:28 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that's what i was thinking | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix it | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | unless you're sitting on a pending commit | 19:28 |
| @Haarg | nope | 19:28 |
| @Haarg | thanks | 19:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: maybe you should see if there is some sort of runtime runtime env that 'just works' with all the correct versions and builds. I bet there is one out there :P | 19:29 |
| @Haarg | nah | 19:30 |
| @Haarg | webgui shouldn't be dependant on the wre anyway | 19:30 |
| @Haarg | so catching stuff like this is valuable | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | fixed | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | what else can I do to help? | 19:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | is Apache2::Request difficult to build on non-RH envs? It is like the most difficult mod in the world to build in Cent and Fedora. | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | had no trouble with it on os x | 19:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I hatesessesess it. | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | i've built it on windows as well and it wasn't that bad | 19:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | probably just my stupid 64 bit envs. | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | i'm working on the matrix test failure atm | 19:32 |
| @Haarg | the only other test failing is the exif test | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have a look at that. | 19:32 |
| @Haarg | and that's due to a change in more recent versions of the module we're using | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'll run the i18n test, too | 19:32 |
| @Haarg | i18n stuff all passes | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | nice for a change :) | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | exif.t is passing for me | 19:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | anything else you need worked on? or should I just browse the bug list if I want to be useful? | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | it probably won't pass if you update Image::ExifTool | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | it passes on the wre and i'm pretty sure it's another case of the test being too strict rather than a real failure | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | passes with a new Image::ExifTool, too | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.67 | 19:35 |
| @Haarg | rpm? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | CPAN | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | ah | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it also passed with the RPM that I just overwrote | 19:36 |
| @Haarg | hm | 19:37 |
| @Haarg | still failing here | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you mentioned that that the wre was passing, what kind of source setup are you running? | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | i have a source install basically | 19:40 |
| @Haarg | although i don't actually run the source version of apache | 19:40 |
| @Haarg | i use the wre's apache and usually test in the wre and with the source install | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/61492 | 19:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | the test basically duplicates the code inside of Photo.pm | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | removes references | 19:45 |
| @Haarg | back in a bit | 19:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9475 /WebGUI/t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t: Remove tests from FetchMimeType that just were setup to help Fedora pass. | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I know you're away, so I'll leave you some notes. | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm convinced that this is a real bug | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the test makes sure that the template variables are set correctly, and tries to ignore the content by duplicate the exif | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | processing in the test | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | if it is different, then that says to me that something changed | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | but it passes here, so I'm not sure what the problem is | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | very nice, ack plugin for vim | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | http://github.com/mileszs/ack.vim/tree/master | 20:11 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm not so convinced anymore, just confused | 20:12 |
| @preaction | http://www.cornify.com/ YES, the Internet is now over! This guy wins | 20:23 |
| @bopbop | ooh sparkly | 20:29 |
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| @frodwith | preaction: You are sick. | 20:30 |
| @preaction | perhaps... but perhaps i'm just awesome | 20:30 |
| @frodwith | naw, I'm pretty sure you're sick. | 20:31 |
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| @preaction | Is there something inherently WRONG with rainbows and unicorns? | 20:31 |
| @preaction | ooh, i should make that button into a bookmarklet so I can add them to any site i want! | 20:31 |
| @frodwith | See that second thing you said there? | 20:31 |
| @frodwith | All the evidence I need. | 20:32 |
| @preaction | ... sick how? like physically sick cuz i feel fine really | 20:32 |
| @preaction | tee hee hee | 20:32 |
| * frodwith sighs. | 20:33 | |
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| seriftron | hey guys - i'm having some trouble with mail not being sent. this is the error i'm getting: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d37ff2e88 | 20:42 |
| seriftron | curiously, the messages are disappearing from the mailQueue after it runs. | 20:43 |
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| seriftron | mail also works for another site on this install of webgui, btw | 20:44 |
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| @preaction | wow, it took less than an hour for someone to buy the iPhoto plugin | 20:45 |
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| @preaction | seriftron: the result was undefined means that probably that workflow either doesn't exist in your Workflow table or is disabled (both very bad) | 20:45 |
| seriftron | hm, let me check... | 20:46 |
| @preaction | alternatively, you're missing Perl modules or something like that. more information would be needed to diagnose | 20:46 |
| seriftron | it is enabled and in the Workflow table | 20:47 |
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| @preaction | are you upgraded to the latest version? i think there was a problem with serial or singleton workflows (of which that should be one) | 20:49 |
| seriftron | oh, we're still on 7.5.30 | 20:51 |
| seriftron | perhaps that is the issue - it is a singleton | 20:51 |
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| bernd_kz | Hey everyone! | 20:56 |
| bernd_kz | Is there a possibility to automatically de-activate a captcha for registered users? | 20:56 |
| bernd_kz | Currently, it is used for both: registered users and visitors when activated in the CS. | 20:57 |
| bernd_kz | Using 7.5.40 | 20:57 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you around? | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here | 22:04 |
| @Haarg | what version of ImageMagick do you have? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | 6.4.0.10-2 | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | from rpm | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | i'm betting that's what the exif failure is about | 22:06 |
| @Haarg | because the gallery does some manipulation of every image it uses | 22:07 |
| @Haarg | so that's what is making it different - and different versions of image magick handle it differently | 22:08 |
| bernd_kz | Ts ts, perlDreamer! Not using the WRE? | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no WRE available for fedora | 22:09 |
| bernd_kz | According to rizen that is a stupid decision =) | 22:09 |
| @Haarg | i'm not using it either, which is why i'm getting the failure | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | He's been calling me stupid for years | 22:09 |
| bernd_kz | Even worse. | 22:09 |
| bernd_kz | Probably everyone is if you ask him. | 22:09 |
| @Haarg | wre is definately the way to go for a server, but i prefer a source install for dev | 22:09 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, I have applied your patches to the 7.5.40 branch. | 22:10 |
| bernd_kz | The anonymous registration bug was a serious one. | 22:10 |
| bernd_kz | We were struck by the same problem. | 22:10 |
| bernd_kz | Thanks a lot for fixing. | 22:10 |
| bernd_kz | (I know, it is wearing out a bit.) | 22:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9476 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm: Applied fix for anonymous registration by perlDreamer. See http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9709 for details. | 22:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9477 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm: Applied fix for pagination by perlDreamer. See http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9704 for details. | 22:11 |
| bernd_kz | Haarg, is it possible to have soft links in the svn repository? | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | i think svn may allow that, not sure | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | why would you want to? | 22:12 |
| bernd_kz | Moment, please! I am on the phone... | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, so what should we do? | 22:14 |
| @Haarg | well, all the test is supposed to do is check the template variables | 22:14 |
| @Haarg | so i'll just have the test load the exif from the file after gallery copies it | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and not before | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | is there anything else that needs to be looked at? | 22:15 |
| @Haarg | nothing specific comes to mind | 22:15 |
| @Haarg | only things left with tests i want to deal with is the unmocked uri warning and getting the export tests work off their own data instead of the default site | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | unmocked uri warning? | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | which test is that? | 22:16 |
| @Haarg | package i think | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that one's fixed | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and committed | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I won't do any more commits without checking with you first | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | since we're getting close to that time | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | cool, thanks | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | oh yeah, i need to fix that spectre workflow test as well | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't really need the wre libraries for anything | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | no new bugs on the board against the core, except maybe for a dangling bad workflow activity in the config | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9712 | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Broken Link in edit Workflow screen (#9712) | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that that is a long standing upgrade bug | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | where it wasn't deleted from the user's config during the 7.5.10 upgrade | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | ah | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | that should be fixed | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm on it, then | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | i put the code in to delete it again | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | where? | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | latest upgrade script iirc | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | it was properly deleted from the site configs | 22:33 |
| @Haarg | but was still in WebGUI.conf.original | 22:33 |
| @Haarg | so i fixed it in there | 22:33 |
| @Haarg | and added code to the upgrade to delete the workflow again | 22:33 |
| @Haarg | activity rather | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | well, since we haven't released the .11 code yet, should I close the bug as "about to be fixed in 2 hours or so" ? | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it can be closed as fixed | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop, you're causing problems | 22:36 |
| @bopbop | sorry... | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | It's okay | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Just don't be thinking that because we all like you, admire your writing/editing skills, and you have wonderful kids that you can go around submitting a bunch of bugs before the 7.6 stable release. | 22:37 |
| @bopbop | well, we'll see about that perlDreamer | 22:37 |
| @bopbop | :) | 22:37 |
| @bopbop | I'm actually browsing 7.6 looking for things I need to update in the cm guide, and these two little things popped up, and I'll forget if I don't post them right away | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, I'd always rather have posted bugs. | 22:38 |
| @bopbop | I think the syndicated content one might be an old one that is rearing it's ugly head again | 22:39 |
| @bopbop | oops, its | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | The latest fix for that one hasn't been released yet. | 22:39 |
| @bopbop | ok | 22:39 |
| @preaction | better to close a mistaken bug report than have a bug go unreported | 22:39 |
| @bopbop | yup | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | unless I made the bug | 22:39 |
| @bopbop | :) | 22:39 |
| @preaction | well yeah, we need to cover up perlDreamer's bugs | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I've found a new way to prevent that tactic, preaction | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | preaction, if you didn't see, ImageMagick was changing the EXIF data for me | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | which is why the test was failing | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | We only find the bugs after the software is not supported anymore | 22:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9478 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm: Remove debugging output. | 22:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9479 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetPackage.t: use PseudoRequest to stop some test warnings | 22:40 |
| @preaction | Haarg: that's... unexpected | 22:40 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: and the funny thing about that is that it's not like we had a short lifespan for 7.5 | 22:40 |
| @rizen | it's been around a good long time | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, it was a late introduced bug. | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | which reminds me that I need to start writing those Mech tests | 22:42 |
| @rizen | well yeah, that's your fault | 22:42 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | note to self, only introduce bugs early in the dev cycle | 22:42 |
| @rizen | but there are some others i'm sure that will crop up over time | 22:42 |
| bernd_kz | Haarg, ready for the svn link question? | 22:43 |
| @Haarg | sure | 22:43 |
| * perlDreamer has been thinking about releasing 7.5.40-patch, which is code only changes, and only includes the lib directory. | 22:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | but that only helps people who run their own server | 22:44 |
| bernd_kz | So, what I want is to separate utility scripts from the wre without removing them. | 22:44 |
| bernd_kz | We need a separate folder for ubuntu packages. | 22:44 |
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| bernd_kz | Which can be released as a tarball later on. | 22:45 |
| bernd_kz | Is there a way to soft link between folders in the svn repository? | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild/sbin | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | there's your repo right there | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild/wre/sbin | 22:46 |
| @Haarg | i thought the idea was to modify them such that they would work in both the wre and in other places | 22:46 |
| bernd_kz | Exactly. | 22:46 |
| @Haarg | if that's the case, why would you need to move them elsewhere? | 22:46 |
| bernd_kz | One moment, I need to check perlDreamers hint... | 22:47 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, those scripts have dependencies in the lib folder. | 22:47 |
| bernd_kz | Haarg, I think it's all about packaging policies. | 22:47 |
| bernd_kz | Every package needs to refer to an official release. | 22:48 |
| bernd_kz | Therefore, we need to release those scripts separately. | 22:48 |
| bernd_kz | But I do not want to maintain different versions. | 22:48 |
| bernd_kz | My idea was to create a separate folder like "webgui-tools" and link those scripts from there, | 22:49 |
| bernd_kz | using the folder layout that is appropriate. | 22:49 |
| bernd_kz | Does that make sense? | 22:49 |
| @Haarg | essentially all that would be left at that point though of wrebuild is build.sh | 22:50 |
| @Haarg | i don't know, the symlink thing just doesn't seem like the best way to do it - if we were going to separate them like that i'd think that build.sh should maybe just pull those tools in like it pulls in everything else | 22:51 |
| bernd_kz | Ok. If that is possible. | 22:52 |
| bernd_kz | In the beginning I would like to work on addsite.pl and removesite.pl | 22:52 |
| @Haarg | well, for now you can just work on them where they are | 22:53 |
| bernd_kz | Later on we could add backup.pl and restore.pl (to be written). | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | or create a dev branch of the same thing | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | if packages need to correspond to a particular release of something | 22:53 |
| bernd_kz | I can't follow. | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | then we have to have a release procudure for something like that i would think | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | until you have them actually working in a more universal fashion, packaging isn't a large concern | 22:54 |
| bernd_kz | You mean like write a script that makes a tarball from the scripts selected? | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | and since the plan is to keep them compatible | 22:54 |
| bernd_kz | For releasing them, I mean. | 22:54 |
| bernd_kz | Definitely compatible. | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | you can just work on them in the wrebuild section | 22:54 |
| bernd_kz | Ok. | 22:55 |
| bernd_kz | Who would be responsible for releasing those files on sourceforge? | 22:55 |
| bernd_kz | Can I just submit an RFE once we are ready? | 22:55 |
| @Haarg | possibly | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | it sounds like there is additional planning involved for releases given what you are saying about packaging | 22:56 |
| bernd_kz | Ok. I am going to suggest that in the thread we are already discussing the issue. | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | but you could always just take the scripts as they exist in a particular wre release and make a package of that | 22:56 |
| bernd_kz | That's clear. But if I understood Jonathon correctly, those files must be published somewhere | 22:57 |
| bernd_kz | before they can become an ubuntu package. | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | ok | 22:58 |
| bernd_kz | A reference like "this and that file in the repo" is not possible. | 22:58 |
| bernd_kz | But I may be wrong. | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | in that case, you'll want to bring those issues up on the mailing list thread | 22:58 |
| bernd_kz | It is just that he was concerned. | 22:58 |
| bernd_kz | Good. Going to do that. | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | because it sounds like we'll need to do some extra things as part of a release | 22:59 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, concerning the idea of releasing 7.5.40-patch... | 23:07 |
| bernd_kz | Do you think we could get an inofficial 7.5.41 release somehow? | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | It cannot ever be 7.5.41 | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it will break the upgrade to 7.6 | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | which is why it would be restricted to code only | 23:07 |
| bernd_kz | Let's call it 7.5.40-pD then | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no template changes | 23:08 |
| @preaction | bernd_kz: we just talked about that on the plainblack staff, and perlDreamer is correct | 23:08 |
| bernd_kz | But why not? | 23:08 |
| bernd_kz | Is it a technical problem? | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | design issue with the upgrade script | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | in the 7.6 branch, there would have to be a script called upgrade-7.5.41_7.6.10 | 23:08 |
| @preaction | also then we'd have to support these unofficial versions, which we can't do (the whole reason for dropping support) | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | I see. | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | Why would you? | 23:09 |
| @preaction | because there would be other problems with upgrading | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | That is why they are unofficial. | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | Just say "Use at your own risk". | 23:09 |
| @preaction | an upgrade running twice, for example, because it's fixed in 7.6.X and 7.5.40-X | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | Ok. Just code then. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd_kz, but someone using 7.5.41 could NEVER upgrade | 23:10 |
| bernd_kz | But the 7.5.40-patch would be possible. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 23:10 |
| bernd_kz | Good. At least something. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be of limited use | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | mainly for people running their own servers | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | Maybe you guys could drop a note whenever you encounter a serious bug that should be backported. | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, that is at least something. | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | Others hopefully are paying for support. | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | And have someone else do the work. | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but then it's up to the hosters, not the user | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | Still better than nothing. | 23:12 |
| bernd_kz | I like 7.5.40 and we are certainly still going to use it for a while. | 23:12 |
| bernd_kz | I hope there will be no more surprises. | 23:12 |
| bernd_kz | 7.5.40-patch after some time? | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see about it this weekend. | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | Don't hurry it. | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | Let us collect patches first. | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | That is certainly going to take a while. | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | If you drop me a note I can help backporting. | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but we can release repeatedly, and fixing bugs sooner is always better | 23:15 |
| @preaction | if you're going to do this, i recommend changing the $WebGUI::STATUS to something like "patched" | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | Is that necessary? I mean people can just check out from the repo. | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | They would have to know what they are doing anyhow. | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | anyway. | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | preaction, the upgrading twice problem could be solved by labeling bug fixes with a unique identifier. | 23:18 |
| bernd_kz | And have them applied only once. | 23:18 |
| @preaction | but they're assumed to be applied in a certain order, what happens when that order gets changed? | 23:18 |
| @preaction | i'm not trying to shoot you down here, i had the same ideas you had (but i just wanted the upgrades to work better) | 23:19 |
| bernd_kz | You are right. It is more complicated that I anticipated. | 23:19 |
| @preaction | it's just a very delicate process | 23:19 |
| bernd_kz | than | 23:19 |
| bernd_kz | Wasn't it possible to archive articles at one point? | 23:21 |
| bernd_kz | Can't find it anymore. | 23:21 |
| @rizen | nope | 23:36 |
| bernd_kz | Thanks. | 23:36 |
| @rizen | just cs posts | 23:36 |
| bernd_kz | I was mislead by my memory then. | 23:36 |
| bernd_kz | misled? | 23:36 |
| bernd_kz | Never remember... | 23:37 |
| @preaction | you can mark them as archived in the database, though i dunno exactly how that'll end up working | 23:37 |
| @preaction | might be interesting | 23:37 |
| @preaction | also, don't ever do what i suggest | 23:37 |
| bernd_kz | No experiments on my site =) | 23:37 |
| @preaction | ever | 23:38 |
| bernd_kz | Unless you volunteer to clean up afterwards. | 23:38 |
| @preaction | sure! DELETE FROM asset, assetData; # All clean! | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you guys remember when my old laptop got stepped on? | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | It still worked, but you couldn't close it | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | so while it is still a laptop, it wasn't very portable | 23:39 |
| bernd_kz | Did you try the brute force approach? | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I took it to a shop and got a quote of $450 to fix it | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | 2/3 labor, 1/3 parts | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | So after much digging around, I think I have an ebay solution for $15 | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | which is not bad | 23:39 |
| bernd_kz | You sell it for $15? | 23:40 |
| @tavisto | I'll give you $16 | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | Hey, I was first! | 23:41 |
| @tavisto | too bad... $15 doesn't cut it | 23:41 |
| @preaction | i'll offer 22.50 and not a penny more | 23:41 |
| @preaction | okay, you talked me into it, 22.51 | 23:41 |
| @tavisto | alright 22.51 Bob! | 23:42 |
| @tavisto | er 22.52 | 23:42 |
| @preaction | ... you jerk! | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | I am going to pay with Euros! | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | That is by far the stronger currency. | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | Now you! | 23:42 |
| @preaction | crap. we can't win now | 23:42 |
| @preaction | unless i go buy canadian dollars! | 23:42 |
| @tavisto | Dude, perlDreamer I'll throw in a free copy of the new WebGUI 7.6 if you act now! | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd_kz, you _did_ say $15, not EU 15 | 23:42 |
| @tavisto | dude, Euros aren't even real currency. I play monopoly with it | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | I admit I was trying to cheat. | 23:43 |
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| @tavisto | hehe | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | how are the press releases coming, tavisto? | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | Never seen a real Euro in your life, tavisto? | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | I am going to send you one next time I am passing a post office ;-) | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd_kz, my wife is making Schampfnudeln for dinner tonight | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | Yummie! I like them with bacon and kraut. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | That is I liked them with bacon before I became vegetarian. | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | Now it is kraut only. | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | Still good. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try not to look at the bacon as it is eaten. | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | Talked to her about your Germany trip? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Not yet. | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and we're not making a Germany trip. Don't give her any ideas! | 23:47 |
| bernd_kz | Should I? | 23:47 |
| bernd_kz | When is she online the next time? | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | never | 23:47 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the other laptop to grab the charger cord | 23:47 | |
| bernd_kz | Ah, come one... | 23:47 |
| bernd_kz | I have met her already. | 23:47 |
| bernd_kz | Really worried? | 23:48 |
| * perlDreamer is not a good traveller | 23:48 | |
| bernd_kz | But traveling is fun, isn't it? | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Being there is very fun. Getting there is not fun. | 23:48 |
| bernd_kz | I agree. That is exactly my point. | 23:49 |
| bernd_kz | Flying is terrible. Going by car is terrible. Bus is even worse. | 23:49 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, things are going well | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | but there are no trains between the US and Germany | 23:49 |
| @tavisto | JT and I did an interview with InfoWeek today | 23:49 |
| bernd_kz | The only way of traveling that is quite comfortable is going by train. | 23:49 |
| @tavisto | PR company doing a bunch of other stuf | 23:49 |
| @tavisto | f | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | You'll let us know when it comes out, tavisto? | 23:49 |
| @tavisto | met with Forrester analysts last week. Have upcoming meeting with Gartner in March | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | now you just need to get the Perl community at large on board | 23:51 |
| bernd_kz | tavisto, I think I will have the German translation of the press release available by tomorrow. | 23:52 |
| @tavisto | absolutely. Will be on the home page of plainblack as well | 23:55 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, have a good night! | 23:55 |
| @tavisto | bernd | 23:55 |
| @tavisto | we're releasing the press release now on Thursday | 23:55 |
| bernd_kz | Oh, that means I am early. | 23:55 |
| bernd_kz | Will be read on Wednesday in that case =) | 23:55 |
| @tavisto | yep, do you have a few sites to submit it? | 23:55 |
| bernd_kz | ready | 23:56 |
| @tavisto | great news | 23:56 |
| bernd_kz | Me? | 23:56 |
| bernd_kz | Was that the plan? | 23:56 |
| bernd_kz | Ok, I will see what I can do. | 23:56 |
| bernd_kz | Thursday is the day to spread it? | 23:56 |
| @tavisto | well no I was curious if you had a few places that would be interested | 23:57 |
| @tavisto | of course, if you want to submit it that might be better received given that I don't speak german | 23:57 |
| @tavisto | But yes, Thursday is the release day | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | Well, I know a few places where it would be interesting to publish it. | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | Just not sure if they are going to do that. | 23:57 |
| @tavisto | 7.6 is out today but the PR company wanted a few more days to line up interviews | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | Did you know that there was a *whole* special issue of the German open source magazine on Joomla, recently? | 23:58 |
| bernd_kz | That would be really cool if we could achieve that. | 23:58 |
| bernd_kz | Ok, definitely bed time for me. | 23:59 |
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| bernd_kz | Good night everyone! | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | The bug board does work well when making an Ajax call during site maintenance. | 00:01 |
| @Haarg | heh | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I've got a workable solution for i18n objects in the session | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | now I just need to implement it and benchmark | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->i18n('namespace') returns an object with the namespace set correctly | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->i18n() returns an object with the namespace set to WebGUI | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it saves an object creation at the cost of 2 method calls | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | which seems pretty good | 00:06 |
| @Haarg | at one point i came up with code for caching definitions in session | 00:06 |
| @Haarg | which would be nice since definition is called a lot at times | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I like that idea | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | wG 8 is going to be fun | 00:07 |
| @Haarg | the problem is that it has to reset that cache if the language changes | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a rare occurance though | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, you mean if the i18n changes | 00:08 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:08 |
| @Haarg | no | 00:08 |
| @Haarg | i mean if the language user preference gets changed | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, that's a page load, so it should be fine | 00:08 |
| @preaction | or if the current user changes | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | session will be rebuilt on the next page request | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | same thing | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | or is the definition cache persistent? | 00:08 |
| @preaction | if the current user changes, the request starts as one user and then ends as another | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | it would be using stow | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | is it too late for a commit? | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | coping with the language thing is why i didn't finish it | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | too late, yes | 00:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9480 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): capcha control now has reCAPTCHA mode | 00:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9481 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fix for matrix test | 00:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9482 /WebGUI/ (18 files in 8 dirs): use proper JSON encoding/decoding | 00:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9483 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/exif.t: fix exif test | 00:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9484 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset.pm HTML.pm Macro/Widget.pm): fixing placement of head tags in widgets | 00:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9485 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): fixed: Asset Manager can generate URLs that are too long | 00:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9486 /WebGUI/ (22 files in 15 dirs): preparing for 7.5.11 release | 00:10 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer++ and Haarg++ for getting the tests to pass 100% | 00:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | now if only we could squash those UNIVERSAL::can warnings | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | if only :/ | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | i just killed those modules locally | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | also, the defnition caching thing was a bit ugly since it wasn't designed for it | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | it had to be added to each definition and involved comparing $class to __PACKAGE__ | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | why does reCAPTCHA require an account to work? | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | to prevent abuse i believe, not sure on the details | 00:26 |
| @Haarg | been a while since i read all about it | 00:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9487 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.11-stable: Release 7.6.11-stable | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 00:38 |
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| * patspam claps | 01:00 | |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, next time you want to look at testing stuff, i just made the spectre workflow test run without the wre | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | and it is failing | 01:01 |
| @Haarg | i'm going try to look at it soon, but in case you are looking for something | 01:02 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * ra6c024a / Changes : adding info to changelog - http://bit.ly/OtFZ | 01:04 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rbbf1fbf / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : fix test command running all tests with --slow instead of --all - http://bit.ly/XuXY | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | heh | 01:04 |
| @preaction | CIA has our git repos now? | 01:04 |
| @preaction | nice | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | so apparently that works | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | you have to set it up | 01:04 |
| @Haarg | github has an option to post to cia | 01:05 |
| patspam | too cool | 01:05 |
| @preaction | anyone want to look at something and give me some feedback before i go too far and waste my time? | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | sure | 01:06 |
| patspam | perlbot: ask to ask | 01:07 |
| perlbot | Don't ask to ask or risk being axed - simply ask your question | 01:07 |
| patspam | hehe | 01:07 |
| @preaction | patspam: i want this off the radar (and out of the channel's logging) for now | 01:07 |
| patspam | heh that's ok, I'm just being a smartarse | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too :) | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | at looking, not smart-assing | 01:08 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: congrats on survey making the stable release! | 01:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9488 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 01:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a sequencing issue in the ITransact postback routine, where it uses | 01:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: an object before it is validated. | 01:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9489 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): preparing for 7.6.12 dev | 01:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9490 /WebGUI/t/Spectre/Workflow.t: Spectre tests shouldn't need WRE to run | 01:11 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: eh, it did? wow | 02:24 |
| patspam | your little baby has grown up... and now I'm corrupting it with evil thoughts in the survey-rfe branch ;) | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | word of advice | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't update rows in a table, when there are no rows in the table; | 02:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: survey-rfe looks like it is full of all sorts of goodies. | 02:54 |
| patspam | more to come as soon as i finish refactoring | 02:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Congratulations.. the 7.6 stream is now stable I notice ;) | 03:40 |
| @preaction | indeedily-doodily | 03:41 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9491 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): In the AssetManager, do not show the Edit link in the More menu if the asset is locked. | 06:49 |
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| elnino | Haarg, or perlDreamer, do you know if webgui has won any awards? | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no known awards | 07:22 |
| elnino | ok. | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | why do you ask? | 07:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto or rizen would know for sure | 07:23 |
| elnino | oh. i'm bragging about webgui. trying to write up a website for my "freelancing" | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds vaguely familiar... | 07:23 |
| elnino | s/write up a/write up text for my | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | have you checked out perldreamer.com? | 07:24 |
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| elnino | nope. | 07:24 |
| elnino | I'll go there now... | 07:24 |
| elnino | nice first impression! | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks :) | 07:24 |
| elnino | very simple and consise. I get WAY too wordly. | 07:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Meg from Plain Black did my design. I'm very happy with the work she did. | 07:26 |
| elnino | she did a nice job! I don't think I met Meg. don't recall that name at last year's conference. | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | she was hanging out with Tabitha and John a lot. | 07:27 |
| elnino | have you used craigs list ot get jobs? | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I haven't tried that yet. Is it working for you? | 07:28 |
| elnino | I sent out emails in response to some of them. Kinda nerve racking. You hear horror stories. | 07:28 |
| elnino | sent 4 emails, just this evening.. we'll see if I do better with this, than I do selling my junk. | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep thinking there should be some website where big companies announce they want quotes for new websites. | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | or the government | 07:29 |
| elnino | was also reminded of odesk. do you use that? | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 07:29 |
| elnino | pretty slick. I haven't signed up for it yet, but it's worth you looking at. | 07:30 |
| elnino | there's other sites like that, that I've come across in the past, I'll let you know if I find them again.... | 07:30 |
| elnino | that' right, you're not in wisconsin... | 07:31 |
| elnino | you don'thave a "contact me" page... | 07:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I'm still getting my email setup | 07:33 |
| elnino | =) | 07:33 |
| elnino | Have you seen... let me get this right... | 07:33 |
| elnino | http://www.dyndns.com/ ? | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah, I've heard of tha | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that | 07:34 |
| elnino | I don't know where you are hosting, but that was very intriging to me to be able to have a dynamic ip AND still have a server at home. that's cool. | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | a friend of mine used it to get around Verizon's restriction about port 80 traffic | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a wiki write-up about it on webgui.org | 07:34 |
| elnino | oh didn't even look.. cool. | 07:34 |
| elnino | wel, so much for sleep. I'm going now.. Have a good night. | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, elnino | 07:35 |
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| patspam | incoming commit log spam... | 11:35 |
| +BartJol | ? | 11:45 |
| patspam | heh.. wait for it... | 11:46 |
| +BartJol | ok | 11:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9492 /branch/survey-rfe/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: Added Params::Validate to testEnvironment.pl | 11:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9493 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl: Added doAfterTimeLimit column to Survey table | 11:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9494 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/gotcha.txt: Added note about Params::Validate to gotcha.txt | 11:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9495 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: Re-applied Survey cancel button fix from merge | 11:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9496 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Added 'max responses per user' i18n and hoverhelp | 11:48 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9497 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl: Removed unused responseTemplate from Survey | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9498 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Added Survey Template i18n and hoverhelp | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9499 /branch/survey-rfe/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Started refactoring the Survey.pm Wobject class | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Refactored www_jumpTo and added tests | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added Params::Validate | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Improved docs | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Made call to SurveyJSON->createSurveyOrder() unnecessary | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Turned ResponseJSON->nextResponse a mutator | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9500 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Improved Survey.pm documentation | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9501 /branch/survey-rfe/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Moved Survey.pm's "survey" and "response" properties to private hash | 11:49 |
| +BartJol | whoo | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: vars and added accessors. | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: So that you don't end up with mind-bending code that looks like: | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: $survey->survey->{survey} | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9502 /branch/survey-rfe/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Made Survey->surveyJSON lazy-load so that you don't have to call | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: loadSurveyJSON() everywhere. | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9503 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Made Survey's responseJSON property lazy-load so that you don't have to | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: call loadResponseJSON and/or loadBothJSON everywhere | 11:49 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9504 /branch/survey-rfe/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): | 11:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: More Survey.pm refactoring | 11:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Turned getResponseId into a lazy-loading responseId mutator | 11:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added responseIdCookies flag as a workaround for WebGUI::Test::getPage's | 11:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: lack of cookie support | 11:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9505 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added Delete Responses back into Survey template (with i18n) | 11:50 |
| CIA-46 | (1 lines omitted) | 11:50 |
| patspam | Bartjol: there ya go! | 11:51 |
| +BartJol | patspam: I saw you changed the upgrade script: r9497 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl: Removed unused responseTemplate from Survey | 11:51 |
| +BartJol | shouldn't that be the new script? | 11:51 |
| +BartJol | nice list though! respect | 11:52 |
| patspam | they're all in the survey-rfe branch, but yeah the upgrade stuff will get moved to whatever the latest upgrade script is when they come across to trunk | 11:52 |
| +BartJol | ok, just making sure | 11:53 |
| patspam | has koen brought his baby girl into the office yet? | 11:54 |
| +BartJol | no | 11:55 |
| +BartJol | but there are pictures on www.emmadejonge.nl | 11:55 |
| patspam | awesome | 11:55 |
| +BartJol | mmm, now I'm doubting | 11:57 |
| +BartJol | I set up a translation server for the stable branch | 11:57 |
| +BartJol | but there is no beta branch yet | 11:57 |
| +BartJol | mmm well, I have to think about that how to organise it | 11:58 |
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| wgGuest65 | hi does anyone here now some worldwide or in germany popular website whichs are done with webgui? | 13:01 |
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| wgGuest65 | i checked the sightings already but that were mostly local sites and companys never heard of. does webgui not have a reputation like typo3, joomla, drupal? | 13:06 |
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| +BartJol | oh Haarg, sorry for my ignorance in te bugpost | 17:10 |
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| @Haarg | no problem | 17:11 |
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| @tavisto | stDavid, any progress on the login issue on cmsmatrix? | 17:26 |
| @stDavid | I've got a patch that I'll be applying later this morning | 17:26 |
| @tavisto | sweet, been getting a lot of emails and I'm waiting to respond | 17:27 |
| @stDavid | Roger that. I'll ping you when it's set | 17:28 |
| @tavisto | thanks, much appreciated | 17:28 |
| +danny_mk | What a pain in the A??, these div tags are driving me crazy! http://openid.dbash.com/datechooser | 17:32 |
| +danny_mk | trying to get that popup calendar to work: http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/yuidatechooser | 17:33 |
| +danny_mk | on some websites the popup calendar shows up right next to the input tag, on others (like this website) it shows up way below the tag. | 17:34 |
| +danny_mk | I know it is a HTML issue so I just have to figure it out | 17:34 |
| +danny_mk | rizen: what do you guys use for the popup calendar that shows up on some of the dates? | 17:35 |
| @rizen | yui calendar | 17:35 |
| +danny_mk | yes, I mean how do you get it attached to the particular tag? | 17:35 |
| +danny_mk | input tag | 17:35 |
| @rizen | look in lib/WebGUI/Form/Date.pm | 17:36 |
| @rizen | the code is there | 17:36 |
| +danny_mk | ok | 17:36 |
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| +danny_mk | hmmm... nice :-) | 17:40 |
| SDuensin | Hello all. | 17:41 |
| deafferret | howdy | 17:47 |
| +BartJol | afternoon | 17:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9507 /experimental/Bazaar: moved to github | 17:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9508 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns: moved to github | 17:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9509 /experimental/KarmaGifter: moved to github | 17:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9510 /experimental/Lift: moved to github | 17:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9511 /experimental/wgfs: moved to github | 17:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | Holy channel-ops, Batman! | 18:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9512 /modules/Config-JSON: moved to github | 18:25 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer: no, that's Bartman! | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Same Bart time, same Bart channel | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | How goes the home buying? | 18:43 |
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| +BartJol | slow | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Did you see Rory's bug about the Syndicated Content asset in the Admin bar? | 18:46 |
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| +BartJol | he said something about that | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | but as usually, I ignored him ;) | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I wasn't able to duplicate it. | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | does he come to IRC? | 18:47 |
| +BartJol | not today probably | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | what's his nick? | 18:47 |
| +BartJol | tomorrow, or for you in the middle of the night | 18:47 |
| +BartJol | ryuu_ro | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen him sometimes | 18:48 |
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| +BartJol | I actually programmed my way out of trouble today... | 18:48 |
| +BartJol | strange | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | strange? why? | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | you've been tutored by the best WebGUI has to offer for over a year | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | there was that big guy and just send him to /dev/null | 18:49 |
| +BartJol | disbelieve illusion... | 18:49 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, does anybody know how to get the userId of the user whos profile your watching in the "view profile template" | 19:18 |
| +BartJol | is it something like profile.userId.value? | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | apparently not | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, check the Help | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a sec | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that help's not finished | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | check the code instead | 19:23 |
| +BartJol | ok | 19:23 |
| +BartJol | oh it's 7.6.8 | 19:24 |
| +BartJol | what module is that actually? | 19:25 |
| +BartJol | it was profile_user_id | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Accout/Profile | 19:35 |
| +BartJol | well, it is dinner time here, bye | 19:35 |
| +BartJol | too late perlDreamer | 19:35 |
| +BartJol | but thanks | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | ryuu_ro, we were just talking about your Syndicated Content bug. | 19:40 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, just checked my config but all looks ok | 19:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | in the asset editor there isn't a way to add tmpl variables, is there? | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: TinyMCE? no | 19:41 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: some assets have userDefined fields | 19:41 |
| @preaction | oh, there are also metadata fields too | 19:41 |
| @preaction | Content Profiling | 19:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm looking for a way to set some css in a template to a tmpl var, and then have the value entered in teh asset editor...but I guess that can't be done with the article. | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | ryuu_ro: can you paste that section of your config file to webgui.pastebin.com and send us the url to it? | 19:43 |
| ryuu_ro | you need the assets piece right? | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you know, I was wrong. Labels are not pulled from there. I was thinking of the Account system. | 19:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, head tags work just as well for that I guess, but it would be nice to be able to set extra tmpls for each asset. Worth an RFE? | 19:46 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, anyways the it's in the pastebin http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4042becf | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | anything funny in your webgui.log file? | 19:48 |
| ryuu_ro | nothing besides a spectre communication error | 19:49 |
| ryuu_ro | i'm checking on the other server as we speak | 19:49 |
| ryuu_ro | ah yes, there's something | 19:50 |
| ryuu_ro | a workflow is trying to execute but breaks on method generateFeed | 19:52 |
| ryuu_ro | sounds like i'm missing a CPAN module | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | XML::FeedPP ? | 19:53 |
| ryuu_ro | yep, tested the environment on my test VM and not on my server, stupid | 19:54 |
| ryuu_ro | ok, so that's not a bug then :) | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | No big deal. I'll close it out. | 20:02 |
| ryuu_ro | thanks! | 20:02 |
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| bernd_kz | Is Steve Simon online? Or someone else involved in the 7.6 press release? | 21:07 |
| bernd_kz | I need your help. | 21:07 |
| bernd_kz | I am not sure how to translate "New comparison chart generator" in the title. | 21:08 |
| bernd_kz | That does not work in German. | 21:08 |
| bernd_kz | It would be a meaningless monster. | 21:08 |
| @bopbop | bernd_kz: is it talking about the matrix? | 21:09 |
| bernd_kz | I assume it is. | 21:09 |
| bernd_kz | Should I use matrix instead? | 21:09 |
| bernd_kz | Probably not a good choice. | 21:09 |
| @bopbop | no | 21:09 |
| @bopbop | that's the asset | 21:09 |
| bernd_kz | Can you give me a synonymous description? | 21:09 |
| @bopbop | sure, give me a sec | 21:10 |
| @bopbop | "a new method of displaying comparisons" | 21:10 |
| @bopbop | would that translate better? | 21:10 |
| bernd_kz | A bit. | 21:11 |
| bernd_kz | But not very elegant. | 21:11 |
| @bopbop | no | 21:11 |
| bernd_kz | Let me think for a moment. | 21:11 |
| @bopbop | is there a specific word that's causing you pain? | 21:11 |
| @preaction | seeing similarities and differences? | 21:11 |
| @bopbop | well, kind of | 21:11 |
| @bopbop | have you used the matrix? | 21:11 |
| bernd_kz | Generator. | 21:11 |
| bernd_kz | Wouldn't be used in German. | 21:12 |
| bernd_kz | Neither engine. | 21:12 |
| bernd_kz | Both don't work. | 21:12 |
| bernd_kz | Application is rather vague. | 21:12 |
| bernd_kz | Functionality would be ok. | 21:12 |
| @bopbop | produce = generate | 21:12 |
| @preaction | create | 21:12 |
| @bopbop | better | 21:12 |
| @preaction | creator | 21:12 |
| @bopbop | yay preaction | 21:12 |
| @preaction | don't thank me, thank thesaurus.com | 21:12 |
| @bopbop | :_ | 21:12 |
| @bopbop | :) | 21:12 |
| @preaction | The Saurus is awesome | 21:13 |
| @preaction | i think they were an ancient race of people who liked to make up words | 21:13 |
| bernd_kz | creator = Erzeuger, which is used for sperm donating men :-) | 21:13 |
| @bopbop | nice! | 21:13 |
| @preaction | er... that would make it The Saurus are awesome | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | hahahaha | 21:13 |
| @bopbop | how about builder? | 21:13 |
| @preaction | how about Gott? | 21:14 |
| @preaction | he was a creator | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI has God. Now that I can dig. | 21:14 |
| bernd_kz | Erzeuger is also Gott. | 21:14 |
| bernd_kz | Well, I could say "Vergleichsdiagrammgenerator". | 21:14 |
| bernd_kz | That would be the direct translation. | 21:14 |
| @bopbop | yikes | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Matrix | 21:15 |
| bernd_kz | But I don't think anyone would understand that. | 21:15 |
| bernd_kz | Comparison chart ist Vergleichsdiagramm. | 21:15 |
| bernd_kz | But that isn't good either. | 21:15 |
| bernd_kz | Gegenüberstellung would work. | 21:15 |
| @bopbop | comparison chart builder, comparison chart engine, product comparison application | 21:15 |
| dreamersgirl | hey, the more letters, the better | 21:15 |
| bernd_kz | product comparison would be good. | 21:16 |
| dreamersgirl | I liked Vergleichsdiagrammgenerator | 21:16 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 21:16 |
| bernd_kz | acceptable? | 21:16 |
| bernd_kz | Hey, dreamersgirl! | 21:16 |
| dreamersgirl | hi! | 21:16 |
| bernd_kz | Did your husband talk to you about my suggestion? | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | How about translating it like this, The Marix, which is a new way of comparing products and services. | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | No, no suggestions! | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I did not say "travel" | 21:16 |
| bernd_kz | Oops, I forgot. | 21:16 |
| @bopbop | but it's not a new way, it's just rewritten | 21:16 |
| dreamersgirl | I heard you were trying to talk him into getting on a plane... | 21:16 |
| dreamersgirl | good luck with that | 21:17 |
| bernd_kz | Improved functionality for product comparison? | 21:17 |
| @preaction | eh, it's kinda new, nobody used the matrix before anyway. it was nearly impossible to use | 21:17 |
| @preaction | now it should be possible to use without modifying templates (right?) | 21:17 |
| bernd_kz | dreamersgirl, you can come by ship! | 21:17 |
| @bopbop | bernd_kz: that works | 21:17 |
| bernd_kz | Good. Going to use that. | 21:17 |
| dreamersgirl | i'm all over that! | 21:17 |
| bernd_kz | Thanks for your help! | 21:17 |
| bernd_kz | What's wrong with flying? | 21:17 |
| bernd_kz | It's not worse than going by car- | 21:18 |
| @preaction | build a land bridge across the atlantic, then we'll see which one is worse | 21:18 |
| @preaction | me, i'll take the plane | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | trains | 21:18 |
| @preaction | and automobiles! | 21:18 |
| * dreamersgirl loves flying | 21:18 | |
| dreamersgirl | trains are cool, too | 21:19 |
| dreamersgirl | did you know that there's no rail service into Madison? | 21:19 |
| dreamersgirl | Peter just about cried when he figured that out. | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | there's no _passenger_ rail service to Madison | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | We can hop a freight train in Chicago, though | 21:19 |
| bernd_kz | In that case you should come and visit. | 21:20 |
| bernd_kz | We have railways everywhere! | 21:20 |
| bernd_kz | I go by train every week. | 21:20 |
| bernd_kz | 500 km one direction. | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Warum? | 21:20 |
| bernd_kz | Traveling by ICE with 300 km/h top speed. | 21:20 |
| bernd_kz | Just for the fun of it? | 21:20 |
| bernd_kz | No, seeing my family, of course. | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Family = wife and child, or family = mother/father/siblings? | 21:21 |
| bernd_kz | wife and child | 21:21 |
| @preaction | Amtrak has a bus that will take you into madison | 21:21 |
| bernd_kz | They are still in Magdeburg. | 21:21 |
| dreamersgirl | buses are bad | 21:22 |
| @preaction | and i think there's an amtrak station in columbus or something | 21:22 |
| bernd_kz | But we are going to move by the end of March. | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | busses are worse, they have more s'es | 21:22 |
| dreamersgirl | move? | 21:22 |
| bernd_kz | From Magdeburg to Heidelberg. | 21:22 |
| bernd_kz | That is where I am at the moment. | 21:22 |
| dreamersgirl | Heidelberg is cool. | 21:22 |
| bernd_kz | Yeah, you should come for a visit. | 21:23 |
| bernd_kz | It is worth the pain of flying, perlDreamer. | 21:23 |
| dreamersgirl | Great schloß. | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | we've already been to Heidelberg, been there, done that, saw the Festung, bought the T-shirt. | 21:23 |
| dreamersgirl | what about t-shirts for the boys? | 21:24 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 21:24 |
| bernd_kz | Karlsruhe is close by. | 21:24 |
| bernd_kz | And there is the Schloss in Mannheim. | 21:24 |
| bernd_kz | Hiking in the Odenwald or Black Forest? | 21:24 |
| bernd_kz | A visit to Frankfurt? | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Been to Karlsruhe, Mannheim, and the southern Black Forest. Frankfurt, too | 21:25 |
| dreamersgirl | Odenwald? | 21:25 |
| bernd_kz | That is the mountain range around Heidelberg. | 21:26 |
| dreamersgirl | Southwest Germany is beautiful. | 21:31 |
| bernd_kz | Depends. | 21:31 |
| bernd_kz | A bit crowded sometimes. | 21:32 |
| dreamersgirl | True. | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | You would love Oregon, then bernd_kz. | 21:32 |
| dreamersgirl | German cities don't sprawl as much as US cities. | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | About the same size as Germany, with far fewer people | 21:32 |
| bernd_kz | So, you come first and I am going to visit in return | 21:33 |
| bernd_kz | ? | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | First, I have to get my oldest through the University. | 21:33 |
| bernd_kz | How long will that take? 5 years? | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | If she gets accepted and starts in June, 3 years | 21:34 |
| bernd_kz | That is a long time. | 21:34 |
| bernd_kz | Not sure if I can wait. | 21:34 |
| dreamersgirl | perlDreamer: he's not letting up! | 21:34 |
| dreamersgirl | I like him! | 21:35 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 21:35 |
| bernd_kz | We could invite BartJol as well. | 21:35 |
| bernd_kz | He wanted to visit us in Heidelberg, too. | 21:35 |
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| dreamersgirl | Ok, enough dreaming about travel. | 21:43 |
| dreamersgirl | Gotta get back to working. | 21:43 |
| dreamersgirl | Bye! | 21:43 |
| bernd_kz | Bye! | 21:43 |
| dreamersgirl | bernd_kz: thanks for the invite--that's really nice of you! | 21:44 |
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| bernd_kz | You are welcome! | 21:45 |
| bernd_kz | (Work on your husband a bit!) | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | /husband goes running | 21:47 |
| bernd_kz | Enjoy! | 21:47 |
| bernd_kz | (btw, running is quite enjoyable over here :) | 21:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9513 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: resolved conflicts | 22:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9514 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm: Fixed problem with keywords in the gallery, which caused photos not to be shown. | 22:20 |
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| bernd_kz | Has anyone seen jmarsden, recently? | 22:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9515 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.pm: Fixed EventManagementSystem bug caused by erroneous SQL statements. Fix was initially written by perlDreamer and only backported to 7.5. | 23:10 |
| @stDavid | tavisto: Your patch is on the way; Believe it or not other "stuff happened" today and slowed me down a bit | 23:43 |
| @tavisto | stDavid, no way I don't believe you. Stop lying to me. Stuff never just happens when you don't expect it. | 23:43 |
| @tavisto | :) | 23:44 |
| @stDavid | Just didn't want you to think I forgot ya | 23:44 |
| @tavisto | Sounds good though, I have about 20 emails to send out telling people to go back to CMSmatrix and create their accounts. heh | 23:44 |
| @tavisto | thanks for the update | 23:44 |
| @stDavid | You'll be the 2nd one to know that it's working again. | 23:45 |
| @tavisto | by the way.. in case anyone is interested, a brand new article about WebGUI 7.6 just hit the front page of www.informationweek.com under the breaking news column | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | all right! | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | You can have some bread with your soup tonight, tavisto | 23:50 |
| @tavisto | nice.. well I plan to go out for dinner. Enjoying the nice 80 degree weather in Orlando for the next 2 weeks | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | so, what part of WebGUI lets you upload photos from anywhere? | 23:52 |
| bernd_kz | I believe you have to buy it from the bazaar. | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, yeah. the iPhoto plugin | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | anywhere == MacOS | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | Yup. But there is going to be a picasa plugin in the next release. | 23:58 |
| bernd_kz | At least that is what the press release says. | 23:58 |
| @Haarg | there's also the iphone plugin | 23:58 |
| @Haarg | which is probably more what anywhere is referring to | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Thu Feb 12 2009 | ||
| * perlDreamer is just a embittered linux user | 00:00 | |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, don't be bitter! | 00:04 |
| bernd_kz | It doesn't lead anywhere... | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe that's my travel problem :) | 00:05 |
| bernd_kz | Having spoken my last words for today I am going to bed now. | 00:05 |
| bernd_kz | Hope not :) | 00:05 |
| bernd_kz | Good night everyone! | 00:06 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer: you could always write a plugin for whatever photo managers there are on linux machines | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I could | 00:23 |
| @rizen | the web services api's are there for anybody to use | 00:23 |
| @rizen | within 20 minutes of putting the iphoto plugin up we got our first sale | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | sales are good | 00:24 |
| @rizen | not that $10 is going to make or break the company | 00:24 |
| @rizen | but it's something | 00:24 |
| @rizen | gotta start somewhere | 00:24 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r25f6377 / lib/WGDev.pm : clean up YAML library loading - http://bit.ly/tbiP8 | 00:39 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5253a3d / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : allow editting entire branches of assets, with class restrictions - http://bit.ly/13CywW | 00:39 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r3ee40c5 / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : use different method for detecting changes, mtime not accurate enough - http://bit.ly/1YcZ3 | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | carogray, did you ever get your website editing done? | 00:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | now, having fixed 1 of the default post form templates that WebGUI ships with, I shall now fix all the rest... | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | which is a task that WGDev quite tolerable | 01:02 |
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| patspam | rizen: ping | 01:29 |
| @rizen | proawng | 01:30 |
| * plainhao struggles to understand how to update a workflow activity | 01:30 | |
| @rizen | seems my pingger is broken | 01:30 |
| @plainhao | why doesn't wg see my new activity code? | 01:30 |
| @rizen | did you add it to your config file plainhao? | 01:31 |
| @plainhao | yes | 01:31 |
| patspam | when does the feature freeze officially lift? | 01:31 |
| @plainhao | just want wg to see the new code in the existing activity | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | restart the server? | 01:31 |
| @plainhao | restarted several times | 01:31 |
| @rizen | patspam: when we branch | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you know that it's not working correctly? | 01:32 |
| @rizen | as to when that will be, don't know | 01:32 |
| @rizen | probably a couple weeks yet | 01:32 |
| @rizen | want to make sure that 7.6 has a good launch before we get too crazy | 01:32 |
| @plainhao | perlDreamer: because the new definition is not displaying and the new code is not executing :) | 01:32 |
| patspam | ok, I'll keep plugging away in the survey-rfe branch then | 01:32 |
| * plainhao is either going nuts, or there's a cache that needs resetting somewhere.... | 01:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | are you working across different branches? | 01:33 |
| patspam | this week I merged all the survey bugfixes from trunk into survey-rfe | 01:34 |
| patspam | and have since then been refactoring the beejeezus out of the code | 01:35 |
| patspam | next week will get back to adding new features | 01:35 |
| @rizen | sweet patspam | 01:36 |
| @rizen | we also have peeps working on new stuff even though we're not branched yet | 01:36 |
| @rizen | so i want to branch soon | 01:36 |
| patspam | perlDreamer: your SurveyJSON/ResponseJSON test suite saved my life | 01:36 |
| @rizen | just not yet | 01:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9516 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): | 01:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Thread sticky and locked handling. Form vars are now exposed | 01:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: in all post forms. Editing a thread does not clear the isSticky and isLocked | 01:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: flags. | 01:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9517 /tools: moved to github | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome, patspam. It was fun writing those tests | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, did you fix the German translation snafu? | 01:37 |
| @rizen | yup | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it might need a follow-up looking at for file permissions, in the RedNeck language | 01:38 |
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| patspam | rizen: that sounds sensible | 01:50 |
| @rizen | privs fixed for redneck | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | bug-- | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | if some plainblack staffer would move this bug to an rfe, it would be appreciated: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9682 | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I talked it over with Bernd, and he's okay with that. | 02:01 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9518 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Friends.pm Asset_Photo.pm): Update from translation server | 02:19 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r9519 /branch/survey-rfe/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): Added Survey::surveyJSON_* convenience methods that auto-persist to the db | 03:55 |
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| @plainhao | what could it mean when the lastStatus of a WorkflowInstance is undefined? | 16:41 |
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| +BartJol | plainhao: I had something like that lately | 16:49 |
| @plainhao | BartJol: did you figure out the problem? | 16:49 |
| +BartJol | with us the problem was, that the time between workflows was too long | 16:50 |
| @plainhao | that's weird | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | it's a spectre setting | 16:50 |
| @plainhao | oh? | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | I would say, check it and if it's larger than 2, decrease it and try that | 16:51 |
| @plainhao | ok, thanks | 16:51 |
| +BartJol | the setting is also described in the administrators guide | 16:52 |
| luke | hello. | 16:52 |
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| +BartJol | hi | 16:52 |
| luke | i just tried to upgrade from 7.5.37 to 7.6.11 | 16:52 |
| luke | getting some JSON errors appearing | 16:53 |
| @plainhao | BartJol: nope, that's not the problem in my case :( | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | directly? | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | what was my other workflow problem... | 16:53 |
| luke | directly yes - was that a Bad Idea | 16:54 |
| +BartJol | mmm I had set the weekly workflow set to singleton | 16:54 |
| +BartJol | luke, I dunno exactly, it should be a problem | 16:54 |
| @plainhao | my workflow is parallel | 16:54 |
| +BartJol | but prolly ypou should run testEnvironment, to check whether the right versions are installed | 16:55 |
| +BartJol | plainhao: well, my ideas are running out | 16:55 |
| @plainhao | thanks anyway, BartJol | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | do any errors show? | 16:56 |
| luke | no errors. i had to install a couple of new modules. | 16:56 |
| @plainhao | DEBUG - spectre.conf - POE::Session::_invoke_state[484] - WORKFLOW: Didn't see any workflow instances to run. | 16:56 |
| +BartJol | and if you run spectre in debug mode plainhao? | 16:57 |
| +BartJol | ok luke, what are the JSON errors? | 16:58 |
| luke | Unable to process macro 'AssetProxy': Can't coerce array into hash at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 109. | 16:59 |
| luke | and another odd thing | 16:59 |
| luke | the upgrade.pl script decided that NO UPGRADES NECESSARY | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | ah | 17:00 |
| +BartJol | so no upgrades were performed? | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | mmm than you still can upgrade to 7.5.40 first | 17:01 |
| luke | ok - i'll try that then? | 17:01 |
| +BartJol | but first remove the files in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades | 17:01 |
| luke | ok | 17:02 |
| +BartJol | but I think the AssetProxy error might actually be due to badly configured parameters | 17:04 |
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| +BartJol | but I've gotta catch a train | 17:07 |
| +BartJol | so good luck, maybe I'll be back later | 17:08 |
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| luke | what's the admin bar in 7.6.11 jt mentioned? | 17:57 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings and crap. | 18:29 |
| * deafferret laughs | 18:30 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | anyone know the status on the project manager? | 18:44 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey2: from what i understand, frank has been diligently working on specs for version 2.0 | 20:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: I wonder if he'd want some help on it, cause I need something a lot more robust. | 20:10 |
| @preaction | humph. where is khenn's ass | 20:10 |
| @preaction | but yes, i'm sure he'd be happy for help | 20:10 |
| @preaction | happy perhaps not the correct adjective. | 20:11 |
| @preaction | uh... overjoyed? | 20:11 |
| @preaction | uh... what's a good adjective for mind-blowing extacy? | 20:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, "khenn' and "happy" don't often co-occur in the same sentence :P | 20:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hah | 20:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'll shoot him an email then. | 20:12 |
| @preaction | the main reason PM 2.0 isn't done is because noone at PB has had any time | 20:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But that's a good thing though | 20:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Busy =~ success | 20:12 |
| @preaction | indeed | 20:12 |
| @preaction | but busy also can mean inefficient support software like the current PM | 20:13 |
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| Mech422 | whee | 21:29 |
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| Mech422 | blah - I hate when I lose my place in a project | 21:35 |
| Mech422 | I was adding support for running scripts when a user updates his profile | 21:35 |
| Mech422 | ahh - I have the hook in Profile.pm | 21:38 |
| Mech422 | and now need to figure out how to wire up the interface for specifying which script to run when the 'event fires' | 21:39 |
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| Mech422 | Umm - Does anyone know if the wG 7.6 'social networking / account management' features allow you to perform actions (execute scripts/snippets) when a user updates their setttings ? | 21:51 |
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| elnino | Hi! I see that I can assign a workflow during a user creation. I setup a workflow to email our "admin", but I also want to send another email to the user that just registered... how do I do that. | 22:51 |
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| elnino | it seems that I don't know the new user's email address at the time of the workflow... | 23:04 |
| juan1 | i am in webgui 7.5.34 and i have created a dataform, in what table are created the fieldanames? | 23:04 |
| @Haarg | elnino, you can specify a welcome message to send in settings under authentication | 23:05 |
| elnino | Haarg, Oh geez.. Thanks!! | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | juan1, the field information is stored in DataForm along with the rest of the DataForm properties | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | entries are stored in DataForm_entry | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | the dataform fields don't get their own database fields | 23:07 |
| juan1 | ok | 23:08 |
| juan1 | i am going to check | 23:08 |
| juan1 | thanks | 23:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | why is everything so quiet today? | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | is everybody busy upgrading to 7.6.11? | 00:08 |
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| * deafferret bangs a drum for the sinners | 00:26 | |
| +perlDreamer | drums? Cool, a parade! | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you ever wonder what happened to userId 2? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Visitor is 1, Admin is 3 | 00:39 |
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| Mech422 | perlDreamer: it was stolen by gypsy's and raised to lead their peoples... | 00:58 |
| Mech422 | or something suitablely dramatic :-) | 00:59 |
| @preaction | they match up with their group IDs | 00:59 |
| Mech422 | preaction: ahh - so group 2 == gypsies :-) | 01:00 |
| @preaction | indeed | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's actually backdoor into WebGUI | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | coded by the PHP mafia | 01:07 |
| Mech422 | ahh - userid 2 roots yer box and eats your cheerios ?? :-P | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | devious, but true | 01:08 |
| Mech422 | but the triple grainy goodness !! | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | If you have a plan for stopping those cheerio stealing criminals, I'm behind you | 01:11 |
| Mech422 | I say we get captn crunch on the case... | 01:12 |
| Mech422 | he'll stop them ! | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | You work on the Capt'n, I'll call Cookie Jarvis | 01:13 |
| Mech422 | okay - Added a hook to Account/Profile.pm, updated Operations/Settings.pm | 01:13 |
| Mech422 | time to restart and say what I missed :-) | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | what did the Capt'n say? | 01:13 |
| Mech422 | His prime suspects are that silly wabbit, and a paranoid leprechaun | 01:14 |
| Mech422 | wow - weirdstuff has 'rackable systems' dual opteron systems for $99 | 01:17 |
| Mech422 | I know its used, and rackable isn't a brand name - but still - thats cheap | 01:18 |
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| Mech422 | crap - I think I forgot to actually add the field to the database | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | use an upgrade scrip | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | script | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it will handle making a session for you | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and if it were to be folded into the core, it will be an easier transition | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422: You telling me that you haven't done any WebGUI work since Christmas? | 01:30 |
| Mech422 | I think I had that around here somewhere... | 01:30 |
| Mech422 | right now, I'm using a local path thing to pickup my copies of the files | 01:30 |
| Mech422 | yeah - I've got that - better run it just in case... | 01:32 |
| Mech422 | hmm - duplicate entry - ok its in the database... | 01:33 |
| Mech422 | so why doesn't it show on the admin screen.... | 01:34 |
| * Mech422 goes to poke it some more | 01:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | settings have to be added to the db, added to Operation/Settings in the form code, and post processing code | 01:34 |
| Mech422 | in the db, and in Operation/Settings - but not showing on the tab in the admin screen... | 01:36 |
| Mech422 | post processing hasn't been hooked up yet - but I didn't think that would stop it from displaying ? | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it shouldn't | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | paste some code? | 01:36 |
| Mech422 | I have a preload.custom - that should be enough to pick up my versions of Operation/Settings and Account/User(?), right ? | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | last loaded wins | 01:37 |
| Mech422 | umm - I assume preload.custom isn't last then ? ('preload' ? ) | 01:38 |
| Mech422 | oh - I have the code in the definitions() method of Settings.pm but probably not in a 'view' method... | 01:39 |
| Mech422 | lemme check | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | view should generate from definition | 01:39 |
| Mech422 | yeah - looks that way... | 01:41 |
| Mech422 | Hmm - wonder what I screwed up.. | 01:41 |
| Mech422 | here's the stanza I added to definition: | 01:41 |
| Mech422 | # SAH push(@fields, { fieldType => "workflow", tab => "user", none => 1, name => "runOnUpdateUser", defaultValue => $setting->get("runOnUpdateUser"), label => $i18n->get("run on user profile update"), hoverHelp => $i18n->get("run on user profile update"), type => "WebGUI::User", }); | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, too late | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, be merciful! | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422: please paste that into webgui.pastebin.com | 01:41 |
| Mech422 | oh sorry ... | 01:41 |
| @preaction | it's just one line, it's just completely illegible | 01:42 |
| @preaction | invoke my name only when it reaches two lines | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | also, check the webgui.log for errors | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I was trying to stop you, not invoke thee | 01:42 |
| @preaction | I AM PREACTION, MASTER OF PASTING | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | pastaction | 01:42 |
| @preaction | oooh pasta | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | paystaction | 01:42 |
| Mech422 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29cf42c1 | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what the heck is a "none => 1" for? | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the core code, too | 01:44 |
| Mech422 | cuz I'm a through copy and paster ?? :-P | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | very thorough | 01:45 |
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| Mech422 | too be honest - I didn't really read the definition - just copied it - "Oh look, here's how you define a field..." | 01:45 |
| Mech422 | change a few text constants, and viola :-) | 01:45 |
| Mech422 | I am suitably shamed | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I would have done it, too. | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Just that I've never seen none=>1 before | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, it's a flag to specify that the list of workflows should include the word "None", meaning no workflow | 01:46 |
| Mech422 | I can't remember - is 'none' reserved/builtin in Perl ? 'None' is in python... | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it's okay | 01:47 |
| Mech422 | ahh ok | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | how does your webgui.log look? | 01:47 |
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| Mech422 | I'm trying to find it now.. | 01:48 |
| Mech422 | I've found the access log | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're using the wre, it will be in /data/wre/var/logs | 01:49 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i'm starting to look at rewriting the translation server as a webgui asset and saving to git | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | user and group integration | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | karma | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | authentication | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | captcha | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | yep | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | and along with that, i was thinking about if we could move the context and last modified portions into the translation server only | 01:51 |
| @Haarg | so that we could simplify our i18n packages | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the only reason I can think of to keep it the way it is, if we were to ever allow other people to merge | 01:51 |
| @Haarg | converting the current structure to a simple hash takes i18n memory usage to a bit over 2mb to under 1mb | 01:52 |
| @Haarg | *from | 01:53 |
| @Haarg | was wondering if you had any additional thoughts on that | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so this would be a step that happens at release? | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd always need to whole structure in git | 01:53 |
| @Haarg | well, we're working on moving everything into git | 01:54 |
| @Haarg | webgui itself will wait until 8.0 | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but as for downloadable releases, if we can save 1 Mb of memory | 01:54 |
| @Haarg | we can move the translation files sooner than that though | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 01:54 |
| @Haarg | basically, since that's coming eventually, i'd rather improve the translation server at the same time | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes sense to me | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | instead of just retrofiting a different version control mechanism | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | i still haven't worked out the best way to do context though | 01:56 |
| @Haarg | having it as part of the translation server means people translating can improve context | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be nice | 01:56 |
| Mech422 | Hmm - log is a bit noisy (it appears I set debug on) but so far I've only found a warning about "Could not instantiate account pluggin WebGUI::Account::Profile...skipping" | 01:57 |
| @Haarg | but there still need to be a way for developers to set that when going i18n or it will never get done | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | right, I think that's why it has to be in the version control (git and svn) | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | context and lastUpdated should be pulled when making the release files | 01:58 |
| @Haarg | well | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | or, and this is ugly, it could be stripped during the load of the namespace | 01:59 |
| @Haarg | last updated probably isn't needed | 01:59 |
| @Haarg | as the translation server can probably keep track of what the english string was when it was translated | 01:59 |
| @Haarg | when you say pulled | 02:00 |
| @Haarg | do you mean removed from the file? | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:00 |
| @Haarg | i don't think that would be viable | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | perl -ni -e 'print unless /^\s+context\s*=>/;' | 02:01 |
| @Haarg | the main thing that cuts down on the memory usage is eliminating the extra hashrefs | 02:01 |
| @Haarg | and the structure has to be the same for dev as it is for prod | 02:01 |
| @Haarg | cutting it down on load would possibly work, but with perl memory management i'm not sure how much it would help | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would be slow | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd have to iterate over every key | 02:02 |
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| @Haarg | that's why i'd rather have context somewhere else entirely | 02:03 |
| @Haarg | having it in a separate file could possibly work | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | the devs won't maintain it though | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's hard enough getting help files done | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | context isn't well maintained as it is | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | i agree, but making it harder to work with won't improve that | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | one thought jt had | 02:04 |
| @Haarg | was having stuff in wgdev to do some of that work for you | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | like the i18n generator script? that's a good idea | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, that should be remade as a wgdev plugin | 02:06 |
| @Haarg | it's a good idea no matter what we do with i18n | 02:06 |
| juan1 | the version of WG that i am using is 7.5.34 i have some dataforms defined in one site, i want to export that dataforms to another site, so i make a package with each one and then i imported them in the new site | 02:06 |
| @Haarg | i like the idea, but then you need everyone to use wgdev | 02:06 |
| juan1 | but the problem is the fields | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | can we set up a commit hook that forbids i18n commits without corresponding context info? | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | or have them maintain multiple files by hand (which will be inevitably neglected) | 02:07 |
| juan1 | in the database i see two tables related to dataforms | 02:07 |
| juan1 | Dataform | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | well | 02:07 |
| juan1 | and DataForm_entry | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | while git allows that kind of thing | 02:07 |
| @Haarg | we can't do it with github afaik | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | phone, brb | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | juan1, the problem is the field definitions or the problem is the data? | 02:08 |
| juan1 | the field definitions | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | and they just don't get transfered? | 02:09 |
| juan1 | yes | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | both sites 7.5.34? | 02:09 |
| juan1 | yes | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | not really sure then | 02:10 |
| juan1 | how can i transfer them? | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | you could try checking the logs, but that's all that comes to mind | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | packages should work for what you want, but obviously they aren't | 02:10 |
| juan1 | so, i do not need to migrate anything from database? | 02:11 |
| @Haarg | you shouldn't need to | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | back | 02:12 |
| juan1 | mmm | 02:12 |
| @Haarg | being able to transfer dataforms like that was added in 7.5 | 02:12 |
| @Haarg | are you sure there isn't something else interfering with the display of the fields? | 02:12 |
| @Haarg | template differences or so? | 02:13 |
| juan1 | i am going to check | 02:14 |
| juan1 | thanks | 02:14 |
| juan1 | if not i am going to make the process again | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | we could also go the annoyance route | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | if somebody committed i18n without context it could send them email about it | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | probably not a very good idea | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no, filters are easy to write | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | if we build a test to check it, and make sure that everything has context, then we could say that you could lose your push rights unless you maintain it | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like we're stuck between the stick and the carrot | 02:17 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: hmm - reviewing my notes, you told me a while back .... | 02:17 |
| Mech422 | "account plugins can have their own ui" | 02:18 |
| @Haarg | well, currently we don't enforce anything regarding context | 02:18 |
| Mech422 | and to add the ui to Account/Profile | 02:18 |
| Mech422 | but I just added the definition to Operation/Settings | 02:18 |
| @Haarg | so if we had a separate script, we make it easy but not obvious | 02:18 |
| @Haarg | script to automate adding context i mean | 02:19 |
| Mech422 | is that perhaps my issue ? maybe I should go back and look at account/profile.pm again | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, maybe we should only look at solutions to a problem if it turns up | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | if the situation doesn't get any worse, then we're fine | 02:19 |
| @Haarg | i suppose | 02:19 |
| @Haarg | would be good to build the tools though | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, sure | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422: according to your log file, there's a syntax error in there | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | i still need to figure out how the best way to handle context updating will be | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | might make sense to use git as a database of sorts for that | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | that both the translation server and devs would use | 02:21 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: there is ? Hmm.... | 02:21 |
| * Mech422 goes to look | 02:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | especially if it will narrow down the search | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | for syntax errors, check your modperl error log | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | context and last updated remind me of metadata | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | there in p5 there's no way to do that | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but in perl5 there's no way to do thta | 02:22 |
| @Haarg | metadata? | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | extra stuff attached to real data | 02:23 |
| Mech422 | data about data | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | but in what way? | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | i mean, there's attributes | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | not beautiful, but you could probably hack something together with that | 02:23 |
| @preaction | if we used a markup language to store our i18n that would solve the issue of keeping context in memory | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just thinking out loud about other implementations | 02:23 |
| @preaction | but i don't know the issue and i have to go, so good luck | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | he's got a point | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is that we eval serialized perl data structures | 02:24 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: yup - 1 syntax error as suggested... | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but if they were JSON/YAML something else, then we could pick what we want to build | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | based on the usage | 02:25 |
| * Mech422 mutters and goes to fix it | 02:25 | |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422: Do you use vim? | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | how so perlDreamer? | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | you'd end up loading just as much stuff into memory | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | but it wouldn't be preloaded | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | so it would be slower and use more in the end | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure if I agree | 02:26 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: usually Kate or jed | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Stuff that is preloaded can run while it is loaded | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and dynamically created data would still be shared | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | not sure what you mean | 02:26 |
| Mech422 | but I found it - its not happy with me pasting in "$u->userId" | 02:26 |
| Mech422 | so I need to find out what the user object is.. | 02:27 |
| Mech422 | that should fix it | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's suppose that instead of storing the i18n in perl code, we store it as XML (for lack of a better example) | 02:27 |
| Mech422 | $session->user->userId should work, shouldn't it ? | 02:28 |
| @Haarg | we might want to go to a different format, but i don't think it would make a big difference | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | when we launch mod_perl, WebGUI::International loads the text files, parses them by hand, and only builds the data we want | 02:28 |
| @Haarg | the difference would be preloaded vs dynamically loaded | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which is label => message | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | preloaded == runs at mod_perl startup | 02:28 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | you can dynamically load data and share it across the httpd instances, as long as you do that work at startup | 02:29 |
| @Haarg | we could do that with the existing storage format easily enough | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | in perl? | 02:29 |
| @Haarg | sure | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | when you eval the perl, you get the whole data structure, so how do we save memory that way? | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | just load the data into whatever format you want | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | then delete the table entry of where it came from | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | if it's json, you'd be loading the whole thing as well | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I mentioned hand parsing | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | and it would be even more memory as you'd be dealing with the json text and such | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | with a hand parse, you only build what you want | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but you're right, we could modify and change the structure as needed, even stored as perl | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | but the other thing is | 02:32 |
| * perlDreamer wants a whiteboard | 02:32 | |
| @Haarg | if last modified is useless | 02:32 |
| @Haarg | the only other thing to store is context | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 02:32 |
| @Haarg | and i think having that modifiable by the translation server is valuable | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 02:33 |
| @preaction | we can preload the i18n, why not? we already preload all perl modules, what's a little i18n parsing between friends? | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | so essentially, it doesn't matter if we change the format of the files | 02:34 |
| @preaction | you would load the JSON, but you'd only be storing the perl data structure. you'd be throwing the json away | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | yeah, but at that point it doesn't matter | 02:34 |
| @preaction | so yeah, in the end it should even out to be the same (or better now that you can say "yeah, dont give me context, i don't give a hoot" | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | whether you loaded the json or loaded the perl | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | better in the end | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | although you'll have used more memory in the loading process | 02:35 |
| @preaction | but then i've been barking up the markup tree for a while now, steveo_aa might have something to say about i18n matters | 02:35 |
| * preaction goes to dinner | 02:35 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if perl reuses it, that's okay? | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | pretty much | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | we also need to keep WebGUI::International in mind. It tries to reload the file regardless. | 02:36 |
| @Haarg | it does a require, yeah | 02:37 |
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| @Haarg | but that will only load it once | 02:37 |
| @Haarg | and can be changed easily enough | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | every time I try to optimize that, it only slows it down | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried caching the namespaces, but it takes longer to do a hash lookup than it does to do the bare require every time | 02:38 |
| @Haarg | i haven't profiled it in a while | 02:38 |
| @Haarg | looks reasonably efficient though as far as those things go | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | well, after all this discussion, do we have a solution? | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | we leave the format as it is, but add a step where the perl data is post processed and we rebuild the tables in memory | 02:42 |
| @Haarg | i'm still not sure what i want to do with context | 02:42 |
| @Haarg | i suppose i could just have the translation server modify the webgui i18n files | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I would use a separate install for that | 02:43 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it would definately use a separate checkout | 02:43 |
| @Haarg | but i still feel like i want to get the context out of there entirely | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a 3 line change to WebGUI::International, not bad at all | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | we just end up back at the dev maintaining it issue | 02:45 |
| @Haarg | yes | 02:45 |
| @Haarg | and we can build tools to make that simpler | 02:45 |
| @Haarg | but i'm thinking that still isn't good enough | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | how do we make it better? | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the end problem isn't tools or technologies, it's culture and people | 02:46 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 02:46 |
| @Haarg | we could track people who have missed adding context | 02:47 |
| @Haarg | i'm just not sure what to do with that info | 02:47 |
| Mech422 | hall of shame ? | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | loss of commit rights? | 02:47 |
| Mech422 | what do they call it in build systems... | 02:47 |
| Mech422 | the guy that broke the build | 02:47 |
| Mech422 | umm... can't remember | 02:48 |
| Mech422 | but tinderbox(?) had a cute name for it | 02:48 |
| @Haarg | i'd have to talk to rizen about that | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | 1000 karma penalty? | 02:48 |
| Mech422 | $.50 in the coffee/snack fund ? | 02:48 |
| Mech422 | :-) | 02:48 |
| @Haarg | i'm not thinking any pb employees are too concerned with their karma | 02:48 |
| @Haarg | and they are just as likely to be guilty of that as anyone | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | no, probably not, but they can be incentivized/penalized in different ways | 02:49 |
| @Haarg | loss of commit rights is probably a bit much | 02:49 |
| @Haarg | i think that would just lead to all kind of problems | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | bad politics | 02:49 |
| Mech422 | umm - stupid question - but do I need to modify any templates to show my new Admin/Settings/User field ? or does the template do it dynamically from the field defs ? | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, most stuff is dynamically generated. | 02:50 |
| Mech422 | hmm | 02:51 |
| Mech422 | dunno then - guess I need more coffee | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we just need to be more vocal in tracking i18n changes, and telling people about times when they commit with no context | 02:52 |
| Mech422 | GOT it ! | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it good? | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Will you share? | 02:56 |
| Mech422 | approprieately enough - it appears i18n doesn't return the input string for stuff it can't xlate ? | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | nope, that would be ->echo, instead of ->get | 02:57 |
| Mech422 | yeah - it should prolly bitch in the logs though, shouldn't it ? | 02:57 |
| Mech422 | (thats a bad habit from plone - feed it something it can't xlate, and it just hands it back untouched ) | 02:58 |
| Mech422 | ok - so the next step would be figuring out how to actually write a workflow script, and seeing if it gets called :-) | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow scripts are fairly easy, and there are lots of example to pull from in WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/*.pm | 03:00 |
| Mech422 | oh - thanks :-) | 03:00 |
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| Mech422 | time for dinner - biab | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | l8r | 03:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hey, how's tricks? Anything new going on? | 03:19 |
| +perlDreamer | not really, fixing bugs and some other things | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | might be in a lull for business | 03:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: a lull? out of things to do? | 03:20 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9520 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js: matrix comparison table sorting fix | 03:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, just ran Devel::NYTProf for the first time | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Guess what subroutines are in the top 15? | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | if run on a typical WebGUI Activity file | 04:19 |
| @Haarg | admin on is lots of definition stuff and i18n | 04:20 |
| @Haarg | don't remember what it is when off | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | ErrorHandler methods are #5 and #6 | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | canShowDebug, and query | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | query gets called because I'm hitting lots of db methods | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but canShowDebug is calculated dynamically every time | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | for a given request, couldn't we cache that answer? | 04:23 |
| @Haarg | probably | 04:24 |
| @Haarg | except for the first check it does | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | wouldn't it autovivify in the next call? | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | never mind | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | that's an infinite loop, isn't it? | 04:25 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 04:25 |
| @Haarg | settings calls db, which calls debug | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll profile it to see what the speedup is. I'll also see how the test coverage is. | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta scoot. Thanks for your help! | 04:27 |
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| luke | hi. i'm having a spot of trouble upgrading to 7.6.11. | 15:32 |
| luke | for a start, when restarting apache, i am told that i'm running 7.5.34. | 15:35 |
| luke | what could that be all about? | 15:35 |
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| luke | BartJol: could you help again with my upgrade pls? | 15:55 |
| +BartJol | hi | 15:57 |
| +BartJol | eeh, yes | 15:57 |
| luke | got it up to 7.5.40 | 15:57 |
| +BartJol | ah, that's ok | 15:58 |
| luke | now trying to go to 7.6.11 upgrade.pl is giving message NO UPGRADES NECESSARY | 15:58 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 15:59 |
| +BartJol | are you trying to instal 7.6.11or 7.6.10? | 16:00 |
| luke | 7.6.11. sorry, i am an idiot. | 16:02 |
| luke | i did not have my config files in place | 16:02 |
| +BartJol | ah | 16:02 |
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| +BartJol | that doesn't help :) | 16:03 |
| luke | why do you say that? | 16:08 |
| +BartJol | well, I mean "not having your conf's in the right place" doesn't help | 16:09 |
| +BartJol | maybe it's more a Dutch language thing | 16:09 |
| +BartJol | no insult intended | 16:10 |
| luke | ah - i get you :) | 16:10 |
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| +BartJol | luke is it working better now? | 16:18 |
| luke | it is. almost perfect. | 16:19 |
| luke | thanks | 16:19 |
| +BartJol | well I didn't do anything, except moral support | 16:20 |
| +BartJol | mmm, maybe I should start a moral support company | 16:20 |
| +BartJol | just be online trying to "help" people, charging them for it, while actually, I'm doing nothing | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | and mosuco almost sounds like japanese wise guy thingy | 16:22 |
| luke | there are a lot of people who make a lot of money from that sort of thing | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | so why should I not do it, I have some karma, often when people wanna show their problems to me, it fixed itself | 16:23 |
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| luke | you'll probably need some crystals and get good at chanting | 16:26 |
| +BartJol | mmm, a shabby, nerdy look doesn't help? | 16:27 |
| luke | definitely needs to be worked on | 16:28 |
| +BartJol | ah and you need some extra cpan modules | 16:29 |
| +BartJol | please run testEnvironment.pl | 16:29 |
| +BartJol | in /data/WebGUI/sbin | 16:29 |
| luke | yep - i read the gotchas :) | 16:30 |
| +BartJol | very good | 16:30 |
| @plainhao | This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different | 16:39 |
| @plainhao | how do i unlock the asset? | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | strange IRC notification | 16:40 |
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| +BartJol | well, you have to work in it, delete the versioon tag or execute it | 16:40 |
| @plainhao | delete the version tag? | 16:40 |
| @plainhao | hmm :) | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | well, it is an option | 16:41 |
| @plainhao | thanks, BartJol, as always | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | hee, I'm training pb staff! that I can use against jt during the wuc | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | so my thanks to you! | 16:42 |
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| luke | have a nice weekend - bye | 17:27 |
| +BartJol | bye | 17:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: Big chunk of steamin' i18n was released | 17:46 |
| +BartJol | mm, I'm getting behind | 17:48 |
| +BartJol | you know when 7.7 is spawned? | 17:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I hear several weeks | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | it's kinda important for the timing of downloading the latest from i18n.webgui.org | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | oh no, that was where svn stepped in | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, as long as you have a good svn check-in near or at the fork, you should be good to go | 18:00 |
| +BartJol | you know why the nooks don't have isbn numbers? | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | s/nooks/books/ | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you have to pay to get an ISBN number | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | as an author/publisher | 18:05 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:05 |
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| trav | hi | 18:23 |
| +BartJol | hi trav | 18:23 |
| trav | currently I'm using wG 7.4.24, and I would like to upgrade to 7.6.11 | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Be sure to read the gotchas.txt file first | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | to learn all the appropriate stop points | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't do that all in 1 step | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but BartJol is our resident upgrade expert | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | I'm getting there | 18:24 |
| trav | That was I thought | 18:25 |
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| @Haarg | 7.4.24 -> 7.4.40 -> 7.5.40 -> 7.6.11 | 18:25 |
| trav | I have to upgrade to 7.6.2-unstable first ? | 18:25 |
| trav | ok | 18:25 |
| trav | thanks | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: you're giving me a bit too much creditr | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | be sure to watch the gotchas, and to run testEnvironment.pl after each step | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: You did know the upgrade path, didn't you? | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | not from the bottom of my kneecaps | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe we need to start a wiki page? | 18:27 |
| trav | Haarg: i'm reading them at this page https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | for what? dutchisms? | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | for the upgrade path | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that way we can point people to a page | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it would also be a good place to catch upgrade problems that are common | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | that would be nice\ | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | my cpan is making troubles | 18:28 |
| trav | but I've just run testEnvironment.pl, and there's no update, do I have to run ./webguiupdate.pl first ? | 18:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | what is the bottom of something convex, like a kneecap? | 18:29 |
| trav | then abort and run testEnv ? | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | you'll want to download the needed versions manually | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | instead of using webguiupdate.pl | 18:29 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: I have to look | 18:29 |
| acmoore | nadir | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | webguiupdate.pl is good for staying freshly up to date? | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | more leg | 18:30 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: you can choose the desired version | 18:30 |
| trav | Haarg: it will not work using webguiupdate ? | 18:30 |
| @Haarg | it will try to do the upgrade in one step | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | which won't work | 18:31 |
| trav | 7.6.11 | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | Haarg: no, you can choose the version that you desire, can't you? | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | maybe you can, i guess i haven't looked at it in a while | 18:32 |
| +BartJol | well, it always p[romps me | 18:32 |
| trav | ok and : "I've just run testEnvironment.pl, and there's no update, do I have to run ./webguiupdate.pl first ?" | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | i just don't really trust that script | 18:32 |
| trav | sorry, how to make testEnvir up to date | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | testEnvironment just makes sure you have the needed modules | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | who wrote it? | 18:33 |
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| @Haarg | in the past, it didn't run the upgrade, but that's been fixed | 18:33 |
| trav | yes, but I haven't update since 7.4.24, and it doesn't tell me to upgrade anything. | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | so it just a feeling that got stuck in your head | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | possibly | 18:33 |
| trav | and in the gotchas, there are some new modules | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | basically, upgrades are something i don't trust to do automated | 18:34 |
| trav | ok | 18:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | what happened to the tools repo? | 18:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | it appears to be gone. Or at least I can no longer find it. | 18:37 |
| * BartJol walks away whistling | 18:37 | |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/plainblack/tools/tree/master | 18:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: danka | 18:41 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | err, bedankt or tak. | 18:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Can you edit a survey in the rfe branch? Looks like the SimpleEditor.js wasn't checked in or added to the template. | 18:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | nm, it was jus tmissing from the template. | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: there's a big roll-up package for all templates at the top of the tree | 18:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I added it in and fixed that, but now I've got a host of other broken JS in the survey editor. | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Just what are these guys doing to your beatiful Survey, anyway? | 18:59 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: are you learning dutch? | 19:03 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: after running that template package through it, they're apparently completely pimping it out. | 19:03 |
| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: Yeah, I hear all the cool guys speak it. | 19:03 |
| +BartJol | that's true | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | so, any more? | 19:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | besides, you never know when you need to run from the law, and speaking dutch adds some premium choices on where to go. | 19:04 |
| +BartJol | like "ben je nou helemaal door de honden besnuffeld"? | 19:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Ik spreek Nederlands | 19:05 |
| +BartJol | goed hoor! | 19:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hounds "besnuffled"? smelled? | 19:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | like making it through the blood hounds? | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | it's a saying | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | are you sniffed by dogs? | 19:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | does it mean something like to escape the dogs? | 19:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah | 19:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh | 19:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I like that one | 19:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | like "on the lamb". | 19:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | which I never understood where that came from. | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | it means that your crazy in an irresponsible way | 19:08 |
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| +BartJol | but I've gotta go drink beer | 19:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | f'ing noten | 19:10 |
| +BartJol | what??!?! | 19:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | okay, vangst je maandag | 19:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: like "f'ing nuts". Extremely crazy. | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | bablefish dutch speaker | 19:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | good way to learn though. | 19:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and not bablefish...google translate. | 19:11 |
| +BartJol | it's a good englishsism | 19:11 |
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| Lisette | in webgui is there something for crop images? | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Not yet. | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I heard that someone from South America was going to build one and donate it back to WebGUI, though | 19:25 |
| trav | well, i've used the upgrade script, to upgrade from 7.5.40 to 7.6.2, then to 7.6.11 as in the gotchas, but it doesn't work : | 19:28 |
| trav | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2ef2a47d | 19:28 |
| trav | how to correct this ? | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to find out exactly what failed | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | in the 7.5.40 to 7.6.10 upgrade | 19:31 |
| trav | when I asked to upgrade to 7.6.2, the script seems to have install 7.6.11, first, but there wasn't any error | 19:31 |
| trav | i made the 7.5.40 to 7.6.10 upgrade in 2 steps | 19:32 |
| @Haarg | you don't want to upgrade to 7.6.2 | 19:32 |
| trav | no but that was in the gotchas : | 19:32 |
| trav | You must upgrade to 7.6.2 before you can upgrade to 7.6.3. | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | yeah, the gotchas probably should be adjusted - i hadn't thought about that | 19:33 |
| trav | damned | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | sorry about that | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | when you say "doesn't work" | 19:33 |
| @Haarg | what is the actual problem that occurs? | 19:34 |
| trav | wG is running, | 19:34 |
| trav | but on some sites, I get a | 19:34 |
| trav | ^AssetProxy(root/scripts/navside); | 19:34 |
| @Haarg | what do you see in the error logs? | 19:34 |
| trav | error which was corrected since 7.5 | 19:34 |
| trav | which one | 19:35 |
| @Haarg | webgui.log | 19:36 |
| trav | an error about only one website: | 19:36 |
| trav | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2597ee3d | 19:37 |
| @Haarg | even when you view the page that shows the ^AssetProxy(); ? | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | you may need to adjust your log level | 19:38 |
| @Haarg | in /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf set it to WARN level instead of ERROR level | 19:38 |
| trav | ok | 19:39 |
| trav | what do I have to restart ? | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | modperl | 19:39 |
| trav | I have | 19:41 |
| trav | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5a6ea170 | 19:41 |
| trav | in webgui.log | 19:41 |
| trav | and http://webgui.pastebin.com/m400bd862 | 19:42 |
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| trav | anyone ? | 19:47 |
| @Haarg | the first is the error causing your problems | 19:49 |
| @Haarg | are you certain the upgrades ran without error? | 19:49 |
| trav | I didn't notice any error, but I think there are some, cause | 19:50 |
| trav | and I don't understand why in the history, I have 7.5.40 and then 7.6.10 directly instead of 7.6.1 | 19:50 |
| @Haarg | 7.5.40 -> 7.6.10 is correct | 19:50 |
| trav | even if I first asked wG to upgrade to 7.6.2 ? | 19:51 |
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| @Haarg | there is no upgrade path from 7.5.40 to 7.6.2, so it did nothing | 19:52 |
| Trav| | it seems to have upgrade to 7.6.11, and then when I asked it to upg to 7.6.11, it did nothing | 19:52 |
| Trav| | *it have done something : it seems to have upgrade to 7.6.11, and then when I asked it to upg to 7.6.11, it did nothing | 19:53 |
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| @Haarg | what was your full upgrade procedure? | 19:53 |
| @Haarg | including any mistakes made etc | 19:53 |
| Trav| | I have wre 0.8.4 | 19:53 |
| Trav| | so : | 19:53 |
| Trav| | I installed needed perl modules : | 19:54 |
| Trav| | Module::Find -- Class::C3 -- XML::FeedPP | 19:54 |
| Trav| | with | 19:54 |
| Trav| | perl -e MCPAN command install | 19:55 |
| Trav| | then : | 19:55 |
| Trav| | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4dc42efd | 19:55 |
| Trav| | and that's all | 19:56 |
| @Haarg | what version did you start with? | 19:56 |
| Trav| | 7.5.24 | 19:56 |
| Trav| | --> 7.5.40 | 19:56 |
| @Haarg | wait | 19:57 |
| Trav| | --> 7.6.2 --> 7.6.11 (problems) | 19:57 |
| @Haarg | to begin with you said 7.4.24 | 19:57 |
| Trav| | I made a mistake | 19:57 |
| @Haarg | ok | 19:57 |
| Trav| | and I didn't have any pb with 7.5.40 (I think) | 19:57 |
| @Haarg | well, if you extract say 7.6.11 first, then 7.5.40, then run the upgrade script, it can cause issues | 19:58 |
| Trav| | I don't understand | 19:59 |
| @Haarg | if you tried to do an upgrade directly to 7.6.11 first, even if you aborted it, it can cause problems later when you try to upgrade to 7.5.40 | 20:00 |
| Trav| | I haven't done any upgrade to 7.6.11 | 20:01 |
| Trav| | The first time, I asked for 7.4.40, which was an error, but the script haven't done anything, | 20:02 |
| Trav| | then directly 7.5.40 and there weren't any ^AssetProxy error | 20:03 |
| Trav| | Is it possible to upgrade again from 7.5.40 to 7.6.11, but directly this time ? | 20:04 |
| @Haarg | well, something in the config file didn't get converted properly | 20:05 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure the best way to diagnose that without messing with code or seeing the file | 20:05 |
| * perlDreamer suggests reverting to backup and trying again | 20:06 | |
| +perlDreamer | and upgrading by hand | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | to catch errors | 20:06 |
| @Haarg | you could take the config file, remove the dsn, dbuser, dbpass, and anything else sensitive and posting it on pastebin | 20:06 |
| @Haarg | but yeah, reverting to a backup is also a reasonable playn | 20:07 |
| @Haarg | -y | 20:07 |
| Trav| | How to revert to a backup ? | 20:07 |
| @Haarg | why don't you try posting the config on pastebin | 20:08 |
| Trav| | ok which file | 20:08 |
| @Haarg | /data/WebGUI/etc/www.site.com.conf | 20:09 |
| @Haarg | just be sure to remove the database info and maybe the paths first | 20:09 |
| Trav| | ok, and only one website ? | 20:09 |
| @Haarg | whichever site is having the assetproxy error | 20:10 |
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| Trav| | done : http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d7b63e | 20:13 |
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| @Haarg | do you have the output from the upgrade process? | 20:16 |
| Trav| | no, sorry | 20:17 |
| Trav| | except if it stored somewhere | 20:17 |
| @Haarg | NO | 20:18 |
| @Haarg | not at this time at least | 20:18 |
| @Haarg | seems like it didn't modify the config file properly | 20:20 |
| Trav| | ok | 20:21 |
| @Haarg | you're probably best going reverting to a backup and trying the upgrade again | 20:21 |
| @Haarg | the upgrade script makes db backups in /tmp/backups/ | 20:21 |
| @Haarg | you'd also want to delete the WebGUI/docs/upgrades directory before extracting the different versions | 20:22 |
| Trav| | the /tmp/backups/ file is from the 7.6.2 (my fault) : I did backup with backup.pl, to get them on another server automaticaly, so I have to upload webgui.tar.gz ? | 20:26 |
| Trav| | or also the example.com.conf ,sql.gz ... files | 20:27 |
| Trav| | Haarg: ? | 20:31 |
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| * Trav| don't know what to do | 20:34 | |
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| Trav| | I have to do this : http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/restoring-from-webgui-upgrade ? | 20:43 |
| Trav| | Or is it a different case ? | 20:44 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9521 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.pm Survey/SurveyJSON.pm): Logic is corrected, but the JS should probably be rewritten to be more like the WG PageLayout drag and drop so that it isn't so finicky. | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I've missed that canShowDebug loop startup twice, so I added a comment to it. | 21:27 |
| @Haarg | ok, cool | 21:27 |
| Trav| | Haarg: do I only have to import database and delete upgrades folder ? | 21:28 |
| @Haarg | you'll want to delete everything in the database before importing to it | 21:29 |
| Trav| | drop www_example_com ? and that's all | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | then create www_example_com | 21:30 |
| Trav| | ok I'm going to do it | 21:30 |
| SDuensin | Nice new release guys. :-) | 21:38 |
| SDuensin | Anything I need to know before using the iPhoto plugin? | 21:38 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9522 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm: Document why a check exists in canShowDebug. | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | You have to have iPhoto? | 21:41 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 21:41 |
| SDuensin | I have WebGUI, iPhoto, and $10. :-P | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you are a rich and blessed man | 21:41 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:41 | |
| SDuensin | Well, I *had* $10. Now PlainBlack has it. | 21:41 |
| SDuensin | All I get from the iPhoto thing is: "NSXMLParserErrorDomain error 27." | 21:42 |
| SDuensin | Get some 76's and a 5, too. | 21:43 |
| SDuensin | Google doesn't even know what that means. :-/ | 21:45 |
| @Haarg | what are you trying to post to? | 21:46 |
| SDuensin | The new gallery I just added to my freshly upgraded www.duensing.com site. | 21:46 |
| SDuensin | iPhoto + WebGUI = Holy Grail! | 21:47 |
| @Haarg | i haven't used iphoto or the plugin, so i don't really know about problems that could show up | 21:48 |
| SDuensin | When I read that in the press release, I about fell off the couch. | 21:49 |
| Trav| | Haarg: well, I've just recreate the dbs, remove the upgrades dir, and restarted everything, and in the source code of the pages, I have generator : wG 7.6.11 | 21:49 |
| Trav| | What to do next ? | 21:49 |
| @Haarg | well, start by extracting the older version of webgui that corresponds to the database you restored | 21:50 |
| SDuensin | I pointed it at webgui.org and it loaded the gallery list from there just fine. | 21:50 |
| SDuensin | Hmm. | 21:50 |
| Trav| | Haarg: How ? just tar -xvzf over it | 21:51 |
| @Haarg | pretty much | 21:51 |
| @Haarg | extract to /data | 21:51 |
| @Haarg | let me check something SDuensin | 21:51 |
| SDuensin | Thanks, Haarg | 21:51 |
| Trav| | Haarg: do I remove WebGui folder before ? | 21:51 |
| @Haarg | no | 21:51 |
| @Haarg | hah | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | bug in the upgrade script | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | SDuensin, add WebGUI::Content::AssetDiscovery to contentHandlers in the config file | 21:53 |
| @Haarg | after WebGUI::Content::AssetManager | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | Checking! | 21:53 |
| @Haarg | i'll fix it in then next upgrade script as well | 21:53 |
| SDuensin | Much better. Thanks Haarg! | 21:55 |
| Trav| | Haarg: are you shure I have to extract in /data and not in /data/WebGUI ? There no WebGUI directory in the tar | 21:55 |
| @Haarg | yes | 21:55 |
| Trav| | Without stoping spectre ? | 21:56 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't really matter | 21:56 |
| Trav| | (sorry for all the questions I don't want to make another mistake) | 21:56 |
| @Haarg | you'll just restart afterward | 21:56 |
| Trav| | ok, thanks | 21:56 |
| Trav| | now I have docs, etc ... folders in /data | 21:57 |
| Trav| | then ? | 21:57 |
| * Mech422 wonders if all the PB guys are out pitching Obama wG | 21:57 | |
| @Haarg | wait | 21:57 |
| Mech422 | he does need someone to do that accountability site for the stimuluus package | 21:58 |
| @Haarg | if you are in /data and extract the webgui tarbzll | 21:58 |
| @Haarg | *tarball | 21:58 |
| @Haarg | it should place the extracted files in WebGUI | 21:58 |
| Trav| | no, in the tarball, there is directly docs, etc dirs | 21:58 |
| @Haarg | where is the tarball? | 21:58 |
| @Haarg | url? | 21:58 |
| Trav| | ? | 21:59 |
| @Haarg | where did you get it from and what is it named? | 21:59 |
| Trav| | it is named webgui.tar.gz, I ran the backup.pl script | 22:00 |
| @Haarg | ah, i see | 22:00 |
| Trav| | but it the same with the one on /tmp/webgui | 22:00 |
| @Haarg | ok, sorry, was thinking about the wrong thing | 22:00 |
| @Haarg | so you can delete the directories it extracted | 22:00 |
| @Haarg | and extract to /data/WebGUI | 22:00 |
| Trav| | ok | 22:00 |
| @Haarg | sorry for throwing you off there | 22:00 |
| Trav| | no problem | 22:00 |
| SDuensin | Looks like there's some debug code left enabled in the iPhoto plugin, too. It keeps popping up dialogs that say "Sending Request" and then "Received Response" for each image. | 22:02 |
| @Haarg | hm | 22:02 |
| @Haarg | can you report a bug about that? | 22:02 |
| SDuensin | Sure thing. With 10k images, that's 20k dialogs I have to OK. :-P | 22:03 |
| Trav| | Haarg: and now ? (there is always the wG 7.6.11 generator tag) | 22:05 |
| @Haarg | well, you'd want to restart the services if you haven't already | 22:06 |
| Trav| | I restarted spectre, modproxy and modperl | 22:07 |
| Trav| | and always the 7.6.11 tag | 22:07 |
| Trav| | maybe a mistake from me | 22:07 |
| @Haarg | when did you make the backup? | 22:07 |
| Trav| | I may have take the wrong backup | 22:07 |
| Trav| | it the wrong :( , I start again... | 22:08 |
| Trav| | Haarg: thanks, now it (seems) to work again, I under wG 7.5.40 | 22:18 |
| Trav| | And now ? Do I have to upgrade directly to 7.6.11 ? | 22:18 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:18 |
| Trav| | no module is needed ? | 22:19 |
| @Haarg | probably run the backup again though first | 22:19 |
| @Haarg | now that you have it in a working state | 22:19 |
| Trav| | ok | 22:19 |
| @Haarg | no extra modules you mean? | 22:19 |
| Trav| | yes | 22:19 |
| @Haarg | you already installed the needed ones | 22:19 |
| Trav| | ok | 22:19 |
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| Trav| | le moment de vérité | 22:23 |
| Trav| | Haarg: Thanks a LOT | 22:27 |
| Trav| | I think it works now | 22:27 |
| @Haarg | cool | 22:27 |
| Trav| | thanks for your patience | 22:28 |
| Trav| | too :) | 22:29 |
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| SynQ | hi all | 22:34 |
| SynQ | has anyone heared any expected date for the 'new' wre? | 22:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haven't heard anything, SynQ | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, did you fix the demo site as reported in this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9740 | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | odd | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | may have been a dns thing | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | seems to be working though | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it's working for me, too | 23:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm going to work on SDuensin's bugs this afternoon | 23:18 |
| @Haarg | i just changed that to redirect to demo.webgui.org | 23:20 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, surveyJSON is no longer part of the survey definition, so it isn't copied into new versions upon updates. | 23:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I wonder why that was done. | 23:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, I guess to make is lazyload. So which method do I need to overload to make sure that column is included in new versions? Anyone, anyone? Bueller? Bueller? | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, check the revision history of that branch. I remember a lazy load being mentioned in there somewhere. | 00:03 |
| elnino | how do you stop wremonitor? | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | shotgun | 00:04 |
| elnino | =) | 00:04 |
| elnino | tell about it!! | 00:04 |
| elnino | where can I find it? it's not listed in ps | 00:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, looks like it was pulled out of the defition. I'll just add a survey hook for editSave, call super, then update the new version with the previous versions surveyJSON. That sound about right? | 00:05 |
| * perlDreamer bows to the superior wisdom of the Survey architect. | 00:05 | |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, since most wG stuff is invoked as perl script.pl, might try that. | 00:05 |
| @Haarg | editSave? | 00:06 |
| elnino | sure, but if it's a daemon, should it list with ps aux? | 00:07 |
| @Haarg | that seems like an odd place to put something like that | 00:07 |
| @Haarg | what if someone wants to add a rev to a survey with the api? | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | update would be better | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | manual packaging would also need to be done | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | seems like taking it out of the definition is just going to lead to all kinds of problems | 00:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: hmm, is there anyway to set a def to lazy load? | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | why does it need to lazy load? | 00:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I have no idea. This is a patspam deal. I guess I'll take it up with him ;) Thanks for the help. | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | this is survey-rfe? | 00:14 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yep | 00:15 |
| +perlmonkey2 | It's where all the cool stuff on the survey is happen these days :P | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, brilliant, dangerous, destructive | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, if it's an active process, then it shows up in ps | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | if not, then something funny is happening, like having a hacked version of ps on your system | 00:19 |
| elnino | right, I'ts uppsoed to be in a cron, and I can't find it, but it's obviously running, because it starts up services I just shut downl, I can't catch it on ps when it's running. | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you should edit the cron job not to run it? | 00:20 |
| elnino | I didn't set the server up, it isn't in the crontab. so it's probably in some users somewhere... | 00:21 |
| elnino | so I'm doing a grep on the system. =) | 00:21 |
| @Haarg | perlmonkey2, with the surveyJSON stuff as it is now, you don't get versioning of survey configs | 00:22 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure if that is intended | 00:22 |
| @Haarg | if it is, i think it's going about it the wrong way | 00:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no, that wasn't intended. | 00:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no idea why it isn't grabbing that field like any other. | 00:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Looks like something stupid I did, and then got compounded by other people working around my mistake. | 00:23 |
| @Haarg | i couldn't say | 00:23 |
| @Haarg | i did a similar thing in dataform with a serialized field | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | i didn't have a separate object for it though | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | was something i was considering but didn't end up doing | 00:25 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the lazy load's extra call to the DB can't be more efficient or have any net gain over having the surveyJSON grabbed during the initial asset def DB query. | 00:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | And thus it should be put back into the definition. | 00:26 |
| @Haarg | i agree | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | you only have to deserialize it on demand anyway | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | and i would think you need that information for pretty much everything the survey does | 00:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: cool, thanks for the help. I'll try to do that on both branches tonight. But got to run some errands right now. | 00:27 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer - I Found the cron statements. | 00:30 |
| elnino | we're good. | 00:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need someone to swear profusely for about 10 minutes for me. | 00:56 |
| SynQ | why? | 00:57 |
| elnino | ? with you? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm very frustrated. | 00:57 |
| SynQ | why? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | template editing | 00:57 |
| SynQ | aj | 00:57 |
| elnino | we're so supportive! =) | 00:57 |
| SynQ | you don't own a parrot? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | No parrots, only children, cats and a dog | 00:58 |
| SynQ | I'll lite a candle for you | 00:59 |
| SynQ | perhaps that might help | 00:59 |
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| elnino | I have a separate instance of apache running along side wre's apache. When I do a system update, it's not going to affect wre's apache, right? | 01:03 |
| SynQ | that depends | 01:04 |
| SynQ | but your chances are good | 01:04 |
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| Mech422 | perlDreamer: swearing accomplished - would you like me to have a cup of coffee for you too ? | 01:11 |
| Mech422 | it helps you relax and focus after venting | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks, Mech422, but coffee makes me jittery | 01:15 |
| Mech422 | ok - I'll just have one for me then :-) | 01:16 |
| deafferret | *grumble*salad*grumble* | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | salad makes me jittery, too | 01:18 |
| deafferret | perlDreamer: go to the gym so I can buy a Snickers :) | 01:19 |
| Mech422 | whee! stupid epoch tricks !! | 01:19 |
| deafferret | keep the universe in balance | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I already went running today, you should be covered | 01:19 |
| deafferret | damn! I missed my window! | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | make that a half Snickers, and counting | 01:20 |
| Mech422 | in like 11 minutes, we enter a numerically insignificant astoundingly consecutative time! | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I know! | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: time() | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: eval time() | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 01:22 |
| perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip) | 01:22 |
| Mech422 | this will keep bloggers going for at least the next 2^16 seconds! | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I would have sworn that perlbot had an eval mode | 01:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | eval time() | 01:22 |
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| deafferret | eval('time') | 01:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | eval: time(); | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that command kicks bpmedley out of the channel | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: eval('time') | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: eval: time() | 01:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | eval: print time(); | 01:23 |
| deafferret | 1234567408 here | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | 1234567550 here | 01:24 |
| dreamersgirl | I "heart" my geek | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the world grinds to a halt as hackers all over the world start obsessively typing perl -e 'print time()' | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | two minutes or so? | 01:27 |
| * perlDreamer starts to worry about a bug hidden in the deep, dark depths of the kernel | 01:28 | |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 01:29 |
| deafferret | 80s | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I must not be sync'ed up | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | already passed here | 01:30 |
| deafferret | set date() back to live it all over again! | 01:31 |
| deafferret | woot! | 01:31 |
| Mech422 | cel-e-brate good times | 01:32 |
| * Mech422 goes to look for planes falling outta da sky.... | 01:33 | |
| Mech422 | power's still on :-) | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a good sign | 01:33 |
| Mech422 | dam - guess I'm _still_ not gonna get to use that Y2K bunker | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | The world is going to end in 2012, you'll have a chance then | 01:34 |
| Mech422 | 2012 ? I thought it was 2032 ? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | 2012 | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Mayan calender | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Native american calendar | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Egyptians, chinese | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | they all agree that the world ends in December, 2012 | 01:35 |
| Mech422 | ahh - good, the rations should still be edible then... | 01:35 |
| Mech422 | I can break out my "Y2KY Jelly" T-shirt again then, too :-) | 01:37 |
| Mech422 | geeky and sexy all in one - the ultimate T | 01:37 |
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| Mech422 | wow - the siftables TED video is neat | 01:44 |
| Mech422 | I wanna play with them !! | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | link? | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and how goes your WebGUI hacking? | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: svn rev 9523 fixes the gallery title issue | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | she's gone! | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no! | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, AssetDiscovery was added to all the config files already, back in 7.6.0-7.6.1 | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and it was in the WebGUI.conf file as well | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | there's a bug though | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | it get the values | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | modifies the array | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | then... nothing | 02:08 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't save it | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | doh | 02:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9523 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 5 dirs): | 02:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Make sure that the gallery obeys the displayTitle flag. Many gallery | 02:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: templates were altered to support this. | 02:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9524 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document that the previous Gallery commit also fixed another bug. | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | While I'm in the bug fixing groove, do you want me to fix that, too? | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | sure | 02:10 |
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| Mech422 | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/caleb_chung_plays_with_pleo.html <- Next gen 'robot pet' | 02:13 |
| Mech422 | http://www.ted.com/talks/david_merrill_demos_siftables_the_smart_blocks.html <- siftables | 02:13 |
| Mech422 | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html <- awesome multi-touch interface demo | 02:14 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: hacking got side tracked a bit by the vids | 02:14 |
| Mech422 | brb - gonna walk back to the house | 02:17 |
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| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r62edbb0 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : add option for resetting config file - http://bit.ly/iUm4R | 03:20 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r34256b8 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : fix and document config reset switch - http://bit.ly/rSMBc | 03:20 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r4bdf9d8 / (.perlcriticrc lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): set UID, GID, and mode based on existing upgrades when resetting - http://bit.ly/6NYqa | 03:20 |
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| HomeMech | blargle | 03:31 |
| HomeMech | kopete in debians kde 4.2 packages seems to be missing irc support, so I'm back to pidgin | 03:32 |
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| @preaction | Mech4221: might i suggest Konversation? | 03:50 |
| @preaction | using IM clients for your IRC is usually unhealthy, especially considering pidgin's complete lack of awesome IRC support | 03:50 |
| Mech4221 | oh? I haven't tried that one... a KDE based client would be nice | 03:50 |
| Mech4221 | heh - I don't need awesome - though to be honest, pidgin seems 'nicer' then kopete for irc | 03:51 |
| Mech4221 | I just need a simple 1 tab per channel interface - perferably without funky smiley crap | 03:51 |
| @preaction | perhaps, but better crap is still crap | 03:51 |
| Mech4221 | heh :-) I still like my smileys in ascii :-) | 03:52 |
| Mech4221 | I don't care for these new fangled 'emoticon' thingys | 03:52 |
| Mech4221 | ('emoticon' - sounds like a transformer with PMS...) | 03:52 |
| @preaction | yeah, half the time i have no idea what the emoticons ARE | 03:52 |
| @preaction | :) smily :p wry sarcasm | 03:53 |
| Mech4221 | :-D | 03:53 |
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| @preaction | why do all the :p emoticons have to look happy? i'm not happy when i'm being wryly sarcastic | 03:53 |
| @preaction | WE MUST FIGHT THE POWER OF CUTENESS LEST WE DROWN IN A SEA OF EMOTICONS AND LOLCATS | 03:53 |
| Mech4221 | and some of them are just plain silly - emoticons you won't use in a million years - the "I just hit Lotto!!" emoticon | 03:54 |
| Mech4221 | I could have sworn there was a video on wGTV on how to add properties to member profiles, but I can't find the dam thing now | 03:54 |
| @preaction | the User Profiling tab on the Admin Console? | 03:55 |
| Mech4221 | umm - no ? I just want to add a 'subscribe to your mailing list' link on each members profile... | 03:56 |
| Mech4221 | I could have sworn I saw a video on configuring user profiles yesterday | 03:56 |
| @preaction | you could make a readonly field for it, or you could edit the template | 03:56 |
| Mech4221 | btw - wGTV is an awesome Idea :-) | 03:56 |
| @preaction | thank tavis and mego for that one | 03:57 |
| Mech4221 | I want it in the DB ... I thought there was a place you could define custom fields in the admin interface somewhere | 03:57 |
| @preaction | yes, the User Profiling tab in the admin interface | 03:58 |
| @preaction | what does this "subscribe to your mailing list" link do? | 03:58 |
| Mech4221 | oh - that sounds like visitor tracking type stuff... | 03:58 |
| Mech4221 | right now - nothing... | 03:58 |
| Mech4221 | but I added a 'profile modified' hook | 03:58 |
| @preaction | no, User Profiling is how you add profile fields | 03:58 |
| Mech4221 | so that eventually, when a user changes the state of that switch, it will automagically update our mailing list provider | 03:59 |
| Mech4221 | but thats gotta wait till I have time to grok iContacts web api's | 03:59 |
| @preaction | you might be even more interested in the new Account stuff in 7.6, it lets you build custom code into the user's profile screen | 03:59 |
| Mech4221 | ahh - thanks | 03:59 |
| Mech4221 | I discussed that briefly with the client - we're gonna get this out the door, then eval 7.6... | 04:00 |
| Mech4221 | the social networking stuff in it could be useful | 04:01 |
| @preaction | it is useful, let me assure you. i've been working on nothing but for the last few months | 04:01 |
| Mech4221 | Hmm - 'User Profile' might be a less confusing title then 'User Profiling' ?? the 'ing' implies something 'verby' - some sort of action... | 04:02 |
| Mech4221 | oh cool | 04:03 |
| @preaction | it does, webgui 8 is gonna change things | 04:03 |
| Mech4221 | hopefully we'll get to play with it soon :-) | 04:03 |
| Mech4221 | (social networking I mean) | 04:03 |
| Mech4221 | we're doing a 'typical' news type site | 04:03 |
| @preaction | indeed, and as mentioned you'll also have the pluggable nature of the profile system (which itself is hugely awesome) | 04:03 |
| Mech4221 | oh - how would you recommend setting up a 'story archive' ? | 04:04 |
| Mech4221 | we want to have 'headlines' on the front page... | 04:04 |
| @preaction | heh, you know Perl or have people who do? | 04:04 |
| Mech4221 | with a normal year/month/day type archive under say /archive/2009/01/12 | 04:04 |
| Mech4221 | I used to do a lot of perl - but I've been in python the last 10 years | 04:04 |
| @preaction | uh... are those types of URLs really necessary? | 04:05 |
| Mech4221 | (god, it sounds wierd " I haven't really done Perl since the turn of the century" ) | 04:05 |
| @preaction | webgui doesn't look at URLs like that | 04:05 |
| Mech4221 | Umm - something 'sensible' would be good ... | 04:05 |
| Mech4221 | so a human can find stuff | 04:05 |
| @preaction | hell, whatever you're trying to mimick doesn't look at URLs like that, php and rewrite rules... | 04:05 |
| @preaction | humans find stuff using search engines and links :p | 04:06 |
| @preaction | the URLs webgui creates usually come from the title of the asset | 04:06 |
| Mech4221 | actually - If I can figure out a sites url scheme - I do it myself | 04:06 |
| @preaction | you're not most humans then | 04:06 |
| Mech4221 | especially in archives - comics, news, etc... | 04:06 |
| @preaction | but if you were most humans, you and i would not be having this conversation in this IRC chat room (i like to call it multiplayer notepad) | 04:07 |
| Mech4221 | hehe | 04:07 |
| Mech4221 | well - I can futzor the urls around in Varnish if need be | 04:07 |
| @preaction | but seriously, you could have both your normal WebGUI URLs and the date-based URLs if you wanted | 04:07 |
| Mech4221 | but the big thing is, having the stories in 'two places' - the front page and the archive/main folder | 04:08 |
| @preaction | see WebGUI::URL for more info on that, or WebGUI::Content (ways to jack WebGUI's request cycle) | 04:08 |
| @preaction | thats easy with shortcuts | 04:08 |
| Mech4221 | so that the front-page always shows say the 10 most recent stories as headlines | 04:08 |
| @preaction | or even easier with Syndicated Content and Collaboration System | 04:08 |
| Mech4221 | oh cool | 04:08 |
| Mech4221 | so this is not a 'write lots of custom template code' type thing ? | 04:09 |
| @preaction | you could even categorize your site, have 12 Collaboration Systems, 1 for each category, and then pipe their RSS feeds into your main page's Syndicated Content asset | 04:09 |
| @preaction | nope, this is pretty standard webgui stuff | 04:09 |
| Mech4221 | (in plone, we'd do it by adding a custom query to a template, limiting it to 10 results, etc etc ) | 04:09 |
| Mech4221 | niiicccceeee ! | 04:09 |
| Mech4221 | the plone way is rather tedious | 04:09 |
| @preaction | though if you want to write it up as a step-by-step, you might be able to make some cash on a book (or just give it out of the goodness of your heart) | 04:10 |
| Mech4221 | ?? | 04:10 |
| @preaction | in addition, WebGUI 7.7 or 8 will include an asset specifically for that website you want | 04:10 |
| @preaction | called the Story Manager of all things | 04:10 |
| Mech4221 | dam.. figures right after I figure it out problably :-P | 04:11 |
| @preaction | heh, i'm asking you to write about how you make your website so that future generations can use it to see how awesome webgui is (as payment for all the hard work everyone has put into the product you get to use for free) | 04:11 |
| @preaction | comparing it to plone would be awesome PR | 04:12 |
| Mech4221 | ahh... | 04:12 |
| Mech4221 | I can help with a feature comparison... | 04:12 |
| Mech4221 | but given I'm probably doing this all wrong - I'm probably not ready to be writiging how-to's yet ?? | 04:12 |
| Mech4221 | (though I am planning on doing client work in webgui in 2009...) | 04:12 |
| Mech4221 | I'm probably gonna end up with webgui for 'standard' stuff... | 04:13 |
| Mech4221 | and pylons for everything else | 04:13 |
| Mech4221 | if the 'data type' for a profile field is 'Yes or No' - do I still need to list the possible values ? | 04:14 |
| Mech4221 | (if so, is 'yes' case sensitive ? ) | 04:14 |
| @preaction | no, you don't | 04:14 |
| Mech4221 | cool | 04:14 |
| @preaction | if you hover over the "Possible Values", it pops up with some help text | 04:15 |
| @preaction | most labels work like that | 04:15 |
| @preaction | that help text should say which fields it applies to | 04:15 |
| Mech4221 | anyway - Donna and I can definately help with comparisions... oh sorry - forgot the hover help thing.. | 04:15 |
| Mech4221 | we also volunteered for booth bunny duty at S.F. area events (linux expo, etc ) | 04:15 |
| @preaction | i was just thinking an article that we could post somewhere, or once you're done with the site a success story | 04:15 |
| @preaction | no need to go out of your way | 04:16 |
| Mech4221 | oh - success story is easy to get - this guy loves to brag about his site :-) | 04:16 |
| @preaction | but we do give out goodies to people who give their time to WebGUI | 04:16 |
| Mech4221 | he's very proud of how fast it runs, size of the archives (like 5+ years) , etc etc | 04:16 |
| @preaction | nice, ask tavis@plainblack.com, he might want to set up something (if you aren't already on the site) | 04:17 |
| @preaction | i wonder if webgui.org has a success stories section | 04:17 |
| @preaction | are you on the Sightings section? | 04:17 |
| Mech4221 | yeah - he gave us 'integrator' forum access | 04:17 |
| Mech4221 | umm - probably not yet - we haven't gone live yet | 04:18 |
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| @preaction | ah, then i'll leave things in his capable hands | 04:18 |
| Mech4221 | oh crap - I need to check on the status of his file system stuff | 04:18 |
| Mech4221 | I think we volunteer a bit o cash towards it, but I'm not sure | 04:19 |
| @preaction | wait, are we talking JT or Tavis now? | 04:20 |
| Mech4221 | err crap - JT I think... | 04:21 |
| Mech4221 | I'd have to look back in the forum to see | 04:21 |
| @preaction | no biggie. tavis is the marketing guy, jt is the tech guy. | 04:21 |
| Mech4221 | ahh - JT then I think :-) | 04:21 |
| @preaction | dunno what's going on with the wg file system stuff though | 04:22 |
| Mech4221 | he was mentioning that someone needed file system access (webdav?) and that it might be able to grow in the future to a more generalized setup | 04:22 |
| Mech4221 | (right now I think it was focused on 'documents' of some sort ) | 04:22 |
| Mech4221 | anyway - I'd love to be able to do all wG dev on the FS in mercurial ... | 04:23 |
| Mech4221 | Hmm - the 'admin->Settings->Permissions' tab seems to be confusing firefox (iceweasel) | 04:29 |
| Mech4221 | it keeps telling me it needs to repost the page | 04:29 |
| Mech4221 | say I want to create a new blog under /blog1 ... | 04:41 |
| Mech4221 | should the page layout have a url of 'blog1' or should that be the article ?? | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, are you still hanging around? | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't talk to me unless you want to talk business, though. | 05:48 |
| @preaction | ooh | 05:48 |
| @preaction | now i'm intrigued | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to find out what happened to your missing email? | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9169 | 05:49 |
| @preaction | the email wasn't missing, it was there | 05:50 |
| @preaction | but it had a link inside that didn | 05:50 |
| @preaction | t work | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | does the asset exist in the db on pb.com? | 05:51 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/user-preferences-wont-save#OWi-PhxMaOpxdOnBkV1rBw <- the second post | 05:51 |
| @preaction | the asset exists, but not with that URL | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose the actual URL would help us understand what happened? | 05:54 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/user-preferences-wont-save2/1#idmPJ8HZuiBYBZrN0ljBd5Yw | 05:54 |
| @preaction | its in my bug post | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | wont-save2 | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's an autoincrement due to existance | 05:55 |
| @preaction | right, but it also has the /1 on it, like it should, and that should make it unique | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so you have the original reply with the headers? | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | the /1 only gets applied if it comes through a form | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | pFFPP -> postProcess | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | nope, there it is, stuck down in GetCsMail | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, why call postProcess after calling for the autoCommit? | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | wouldn't that create an asset in the db with 2 different URLs? One that has been fixed through postProcess, and one that hasn't? | 06:15 |
| @preaction | that sounds bad | 06:15 |
| @preaction | postProcess should come first, no/ | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | That's what I think | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | But I also know that Haarg has crawled through and through this | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, what's the parent of the lost post? | 06:20 |
| @preaction | the first URL i posted | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | so why doesn't it show up? | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | is there an error thrown to the log when that thread is viewed? | 06:21 |
| @preaction | no, the post is in the thread just fine | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | or is the post's status set to something strange? | 06:21 |
| * perlDreamer is confused | 06:21 | |
| @preaction | the post sends out an e-mail, that e-mail contains the incorrect URL | 06:21 |
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| @preaction | (the second URL i posted) | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Let me make sure I understand this, then. | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | You reply to a post | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | the post shows up in the thread | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | when subscribers are notified, though, they are given the wrong URL for the new post | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and that _other_ URL, the bad one, does not exist in the db at all | 06:24 |
| @preaction | didn't check that, one sec | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to say that the URL does exist in the db. | 06:25 |
| @preaction | it doesn't | 06:25 |
| @preaction | the correct URL exists though | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | bio-break, brb | 06:28 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9525 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.11-7.6.12.pl): Make sure that the AssetDiscovery contentHandler was added to all config files. | 06:29 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9529 /wrebuild/readme.txt: Added build-essential to needed packages for debian. | 16:03 |
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| SynQ | more power to the WRE | 18:09 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9530 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: Added script to download all sources exept for all perlmodules, hacky but it works. | 18:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9531 /wrebuild/build.sh: Added shared expires module to apache for better YSlow score. | 18:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9532 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matrix search fixes and performance improvements | 18:40 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9533 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh): (log message trimmed) | 19:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: - Upgrade the following components to these new versions: | 19:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: openssl-0.9.8j | 19:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: lftp-3.7.8 | 19:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: libtool-2.2.6a | 19:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: libcrypt-1.4.4 | 19:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: gnutls-2.6.4 | 19:22 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9534 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh getsource.sh readme.txt): | 21:56 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: added getperlmodules.sh for downloading all needed perlmodules | 21:56 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: correction: libtool-2.2.6a is the same as libtool-2.2.6 | 21:56 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: added readline dependancy for debian | 21:56 |
| SynQ | hmm | 22:33 |
| SynQ | checking for SSL... configure: error: The flag --with-openssl is deprecated, use --with-ssl | 22:34 |
| SynQ | checking for SSL... configure: error: Could not link with SSL libs at /data/wre/prereqs | 22:35 |
| SynQ | To select OpenSSL instead, give the option as --with-ssl=path, where path is the directory where the OpenSSL header files and libraries are located. | 22:38 |
| SynQ | hmm | 22:49 |
| SynQ | first real hurdle | 22:49 |
| bernd_kz | Can't really help you. | 22:50 |
| bernd_kz | But I can motivate you by saying that | 22:50 |
| bernd_kz | if anyone is going to solve it, it will be you!!! | 22:51 |
| bernd_kz | SynQ, any closer to the solution? | 22:53 |
| bernd_kz | What is the problem, btw? | 22:53 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:00 |
| SynQ | I'm trying to get mysql 5.1 into the WRE | 23:01 |
| SynQ | but it has different compile options :) | 23:01 |
| @Haarg | SynQ, bernd_kz, have you used git before? | 23:02 |
| SynQ | nope | 23:02 |
| SynQ | I haven't but I was wondering | 23:03 |
| bernd_kz | Never, | 23:03 |
| bernd_kz | why? | 23:03 |
| SynQ | where have those svn repo's gone? | 23:03 |
| bernd_kz | Changing the translation server? | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | well, i've been working on converting our stuff over to git | 23:03 |
| bernd_kz | Everything? | 23:03 |
| SynQ | couldn't find anyting about it on the dev list | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | webgui itself is going to wait until 8.0 | 23:03 |
| SynQ | haarg: what about wre? | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | i'll send an email to dev about it | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | translations will wait until i have the translation server rewritten | 23:04 |
| SynQ | and where is the git repo at? | 23:04 |
| @Haarg | and the wre depends mostly on you guys | 23:04 |
| SynQ | and even more important... why git? | 23:04 |
| SynQ | what is wrong with svn | 23:04 |
| SynQ | or what is better at git? | 23:04 |
| bernd_kz | Yes, why git? | 23:04 |
| @Haarg | because you are the only ones who do or have expressed an interest in committing stuff to the wre | 23:05 |
| bernd_kz | I still cannot follow. | 23:06 |
| SynQ | neither can I | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | sorry | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | that was a continuation of my previous sentence | 23:06 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:06 |
| SynQ | so, why git? | 23:06 |
| bernd_kz | Oh, now I understand. | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | well, it's a lot better for branching and merging for one | 23:07 |
| bernd_kz | You want to migrate the wrebuild folder? | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | at some point yes | 23:07 |
| SynQ | hmm | 23:07 |
| bernd_kz | But first, SynQ and me have learn about git? | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:08 |
| SynQ | I just got a hang of subversion | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | heh | 23:08 |
| SynQ | now you want me to change to git :) | 23:08 |
| bernd_kz | When is that going to happen? | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | there's been a number of others in the community proposing switching to git | 23:08 |
| SynQ | patspam for sure :) | 23:08 |
| bernd_kz | Well, why not? | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | i personally find it a nicer to work with | 23:08 |
| SynQ | is there any good books on git? | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | there's lots of good info on in the internet though | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | Haarg, I just uploaded a patch for the translation server. | 23:09 |
| SynQ | like this one: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596004484/ | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | Can still apply it until the translation server was migrated to git? | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | you | 23:09 |
| SynQ | I see there is: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781934356159/ | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | It prevents the translation server from locking due to a conflict. | 23:10 |
| bernd_kz | I expect, something similar will also be necessary when working with git. | 23:10 |
| @Haarg | http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | SynQ, is that a good one? | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | Haarg, can we have a webinar? You teaching us ;-) | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/plainblack <- all our git repos are here | 23:11 |
| SynQ | bernd: dunno yet | 23:12 |
| SynQ | but I'll buy it for sure | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | if you sign up on github, i can give you commit access | 23:12 |
| SynQ | what is github.com | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | git hosting service | 23:12 |
| SynQ | is plainblack moving away from hosting the repo's on it's own servers? | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | yes | 23:13 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:13 |
| @Haarg | bernd_kz, i can apply the patch to the translation server | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | Cool! | 23:14 |
| SynQ | hmm | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | And don't forget to take care of conflicts when using git. | 23:14 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | I believe it will be the same problem there. | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | Ok, I am going to bed. | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | Have a good night/evening... | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | i have a lot of ideas in mind for the updated translation server | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | Some login protection would be great. | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | And a change history. | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | I would like to know who did the last changes. | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | having changes be attibuted is part of that | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | Currently, too many people working on translations and you never get to know them. | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | as well as diffs and such | 23:16 |
| bernd_kz | What about making it an asset? | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | that's the plan | 23:16 |
| bernd_kz | Haarg, that is great news! | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | can tie it in to karma etc then as well | 23:16 |
| bernd_kz | I was about to submit an RFE on that. | 23:16 |
| bernd_kz | Lovely. | 23:16 |
| bernd_kz | I am going to sleep very well tonight =) | 23:16 |
| bernd_kz | Shall we set the deadline already ;-) | 23:17 |
| bernd_kz | I think February 17 would suit me well. | 23:17 |
| @Haarg | heh | 23:17 |
| SynQ | hang on | 23:17 |
| bernd_kz | Good night! | 23:17 |
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| SynQ | I was distracted by my daughter | 23:17 |
| SynQ | I don't like the github allready | 23:18 |
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| SynQ | my normal username is already taken | 23:18 |
| SynQ | but ok I have created an account | 23:19 |
| SynQ | it is called synq | 23:19 |
| SynQ | do ad it to the github haarg | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | i can convert wrebuild at any time really - there's no rush | 23:20 |
| SynQ | please don't do it now | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | didn't plan on it | 23:22 |
| @Haarg | just wanted you guys to be aware of the change as you are basically the only ones who commit to wrebuild aside from pb | 23:22 |
| @Haarg | how is your daughter doing btw? | 23:23 |
| SynQ | haarg: does github have an rss feed like svnweb has? | 23:23 |
| SynQ | she is sleeping now | 23:23 |
| SynQ | but I just changed her diaper | 23:23 |
| SynQ | that helped :) | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | there's a number of different rss feeds it offers | 23:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9535 /wrebuild/build.sh: updated mysql to version mysql-5.1.31 now using yassl instead of openssl | 23:30 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:31 |
| SynQ | could you do a small wiki page on that? | 23:32 |
| SynQ | on webgui.org | 23:32 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'll put together something for a wiki page and send something to the dev list | 23:32 |
| SynQ | nice thanks | 23:33 |
| SynQ | any chance on jt on irc soon? | 23:33 |
| @Haarg | couldn't say | 23:33 |
| SynQ | I'd like to discuss using ngix for modproxy | 23:34 |
| @Haarg | just as an amusing thing about git vs svn - an svn checkout of webgui uses 108MB just for the metadata. a git repo with the entire history going back to pre-1.0 takes about 80MB. | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | ngix? | 23:35 |
| SynQ | indeed so | 23:35 |
| SynQ | nginx even | 23:36 |
| SynQ | http://nginx.net/ | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | replacing modproxy with nginx you mean? | 23:36 |
| SynQ | that | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | we've discussed alternatives to modproxy before | 23:38 |
| SynQ | when was that and what was the conclusion then? | 23:38 |
| @Haarg | main reasons we use it are that we already have apache and everyone knows how to use it | 23:38 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:38 |
| @Haarg | and modproxy has certainly be improving | 23:39 |
| SynQ | but 'everyone knows how to use it' doesn't stop plainblack from moving to git | 23:39 |
| @Haarg | true | 23:39 |
| SynQ | so why should it stop us from moving to nginx | 23:39 |
| @Haarg | it's not a reason to stop | 23:39 |
| SynQ | it promises to be much faster | 23:39 |
| @Haarg | it's just one reason it hasn't been a priority to do something else | 23:40 |
| SynQ | and should have a simple configuration | 23:40 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:40 |
| @Haarg | why nginx in particular? | 23:40 |
| SynQ | well | 23:40 |
| SynQ | there is lighttp and nginx | 23:40 |
| @Haarg | i have't heard of it before | 23:40 |
| SynQ | and nginx seems to be the favourable one in much discussions to be found 'on the internet' | 23:41 |
| SynQ | plus it is more actively being developed | 23:41 |
| @Haarg | lots of open source stuff is moving to git btw, especially in the perl world | 23:41 |
| SynQ | I have allready ordered the book | 23:41 |
| SynQ | it will be at my desk in a few days | 23:41 |
| @Haarg | does nginx offer something along the lines of rewrite rules? | 23:41 |
| SynQ | something way better | 23:42 |
| SynQ | as far as I understood | 23:42 |
| SynQ | but I must admit I have not taken a lot of time to look at it yet | 23:42 |
| SynQ | It's just something that might help speed up the WRE and let it have a smaller footprint | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:43 |
| SynQ | http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxHttpRewriteModule | 23:43 |
| SynQ | and faster is better | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | certainly | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | looks more readable than a most apache rewrites | 23:44 |
| SynQ | so it does | 23:44 |
| SynQ | it looks more 'perlish' to me | 23:44 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:44 |
| SynQ | it has something else that is nice | 23:45 |
| SynQ | it's called limit_zone | 23:45 |
| SynQ | in short you can use that to limit the numer of connections one client can make to your server | 23:46 |
| SynQ | thus spreading the resources over all users | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | nice | 23:46 |
| SynQ | it might sound a bit communistic | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | do you know what it has for prereqs? | 23:46 |
| SynQ | but then, it is made in russia :) | 23:46 |
| SynQ | prereqs: gzip pcre and openssl | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | so pretty much nothing | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | if possible i think we're also going to see if we can detach webgui from modperl in 8.0 | 23:48 |
| SynQ | a c-compiler ofcourse | 23:48 |
| SynQ | that would mean getting rid of apache all together | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | to allow using it with something like fastcgi as well | 23:48 |
| SynQ | which might be a very sound descision | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | but we need to investigate that a lot more | 23:48 |
| SynQ | now if you'll excuse me | 23:48 |
| SynQ | I have to do some monk's job | 23:49 |
| SynQ | creating a 'getperlmodules.sh' script | 23:49 |
| SynQ | to get the WRE up to the latest and greatest | 23:49 |
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| Baylink | How embarrassing. I don't know how to drive my own client. Here I am now. :-) Is there a wobject for doing something akin to digital signage within a WG instance. | 23:55 |
| Baylink | ? | 23:56 |
| --- Day changed Mon Feb 16 2009 | ||
| @preaction | what's digital signage? | 00:00 |
| Baylink | What I'm looking for is something that will let me upload a bunch of assets, JPGs, maybe SWFs, and flag them as being viewable in different areas/locations, and then wire browsers in those locations to a "view" page for the wobject, and have it page-flip through the assets that are pertinent to that spot (building, what have you). | 00:04 |
| Baylink | A centrally managed, high powered version of the Powerpoint player, if you will. | 00:04 |
| @preaction | sounds like something very specific that you'd need to code | 00:05 |
| Baylink | Yeah. I figured as much. But there's a lot of contrib, and I figured someone on here would know better than me if anyone had gone close to there... | 00:06 |
| @preaction | i'm not even sure what you want really, but it sounds complicated | 00:06 |
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| Baylink | Think of it as "Gallery with playlists". With separate playlists for separate places. | 00:07 |
| Baylink | Maybe I can even *do* it with gallery; I'm not sure how much of the update-y stuff is in 7.6 | 00:08 |
| Baylink | (Yet. :-) | 00:08 |
| @preaction | what are places? can they just be pointed to different URLs? | 00:08 |
| Baylink | Hmmm. | 00:08 |
| Baylink | Yeah, basically: /gallery/playlist-bldg1 /gallery/playlist-bldg2 /gallery/edit | 00:08 |
| Baylink | And I can checkbox or tag to decide which items go in which playlists. | 00:08 |
| Baylink | Gotta go slap a 7.6 instance up and see how far along that is. | 00:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9536 /translations/German/German/AuthWebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 00:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9537 /translations/German/German/Asset.pm: Update from translation server | 00:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9538 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 00:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9539 /translations/German/German/Macro_UsersOnline.pm: Update from translation server | 00:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9542 /translations/German/German/PayDriver.pm: Update from translation server | 00:54 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: updated perlmodules (and added to getperlmodules.sh script) to: | 00:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Net_SSLeay.pm-1.30 | 00:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Proc-ProcessTable-0.45 | 00:55 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: SOAP-Lite-0.710.08 | 01:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: DBI-1.607 | 01:52 |
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| +BartJol | mmm I have some cpan trouble | 15:50 |
| +BartJol | and I see that in testEnvironment an attempt is made to install it and after that the final action of the installModule is to do chdir $cwd | 15:51 |
| +BartJol | the last thing sounds like: change directory to current working dir | 15:51 |
| +BartJol | why is that after the installation attempt? | 15:52 |
| +BartJol | mmm but that doesn't seem to be the cause | 15:53 |
| +BartJol | cpan tries to install in /root/.cpan | 15:53 |
| +BartJol | I see that in /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8//CPAN/Config.pm cpan_home is indeed defined as /root/.cpan | 16:16 |
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| +BartJol | but /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/ seems more correct | 16:20 |
| +BartJol | ah perlmonkey2 I was looking for a perl guru | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | goodmorning btw | 16:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | goodafternoon BartJol | 16:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | what's the word? | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | I have some cpan trouble | 16:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and if you were looking for a perl guru, why would you be talking to me :P | 16:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | what's up? | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | well, I think it's badly configures | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | d | 16:23 |
| +BartJol | BartJol: cpan tries to install in /root/.cpan | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | BartJol: I see that in /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8//CPAN/Config.pm cpan_home is indeed defined as /root/.cpan | 16:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | cpan is old and about a gajillion band aids wrapped around each other. | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | ah, it's like windows, the OS that shouldn't be mentioned | 16:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, what are you trying to do, and what is the problem it is giving you? | 16:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | well the make doesn't work out | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | and that conf just doesn't seem right to me | 16:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | for which module, and is it failing in the tests or build? | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | Class:C3 and XML::FeedPP | 16:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you can rerun the configure to manually set it up. | 16:25 |
| +BartJol | the writing Makefilr for module is not ok | 16:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ic. can you pastebin the error? | 16:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I agree with you though, having a bad makefile is weird. | 16:27 |
| +BartJol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7fe45b72 | 16:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Just to humoUr me, you could go into the cpan shell and do a 'cpan o init' which will rerun the configuration. Only takes a few seconds to go back through. | 16:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah | 16:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | in the paste you provided it looks like you need to install XML::TreePP. | 16:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, nevermind it followed tha.t | 16:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wow, that is bizarre | 16:30 |
| +BartJol | I followed everything like a dumb sheep | 16:30 |
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| +BartJol | eeeh , what would the cpan o init have for effect? | 16:31 |
| +BartJol | ah | 16:32 |
| +BartJol | I understand | 16:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | just make sure your cpan config is set up correctly | 16:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you can try to manually build the XML::TreePP | 16:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | go to your ~root/.cpan/build | 16:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | then cd to XML::TreePP | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | in my case it's /root which disturbes me | 16:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | then perl Makefile.PL | 16:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah | 16:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | well, you should be running cpan as root since you are setting up systemwide libraries. | 16:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but remember, I'm not a perl guru, I'm a perl monkey. big difference :P | 16:35 |
| +BartJol | ok, I did the makefile stuff | 16:35 |
| +BartJol | it seems to be ok | 16:35 |
| +BartJol | sorry for being a bit of an ignorant cpan user, but what's next | 16:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | okay, so that worke.d | 16:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | okay, I skipped a step | 16:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you'll want to run 'make clean', then do the 'perl Makefile.pl'. | 16:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | then just run 'make'. | 16:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | which should start the library compile. | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 16:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and is probably where you will see the error. | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | make: command not found | 16:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but this removes cpan from the equation. | 16:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah | 16:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm. | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | I ran . setenvironment | 16:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | j/s let me see if the wre comes with make | 16:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | nope | 16:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you'll need that installed on the syste. | 16:39 |
| +BartJol | apt-get install make? | 16:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | should work. | 16:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you might also need gcc | 16:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | see if you have tha.t | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | well, this is better | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | host044:~/.cpan/build/XML-TreePP-0.37# make | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | cp lib/XML/TreePP.pm blib/lib/XML/TreePP.pm | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | Manifying blib/man3/XML::TreePP.3 | 16:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ran the make and make install? | 16:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | should probably put in a make test in there too :P | 16:42 |
| +BartJol | all tests succesfull 10 tests skipped | 16:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | sweet | 16:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | probably just missing the testing libs, and its no big deal. | 16:43 |
| +BartJol | but all the modules are normally installed somewhere in the /data/wre dir | 16:44 |
| +BartJol | dir tree | 16:44 |
| +BartJol | I didn't see that happen | 16:45 |
| +BartJol | If it works it's nice, but when it's not in the right place, after a while it will become a mess | 16:46 |
| +BartJol | but that is where my cpan conf steps in? | 16:47 |
| +BartJol | well, have to do that again maybe | 16:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | if you did all that with the /wre/sbin/setenvironment set, everything shoudl be in the correct place. | 16:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: | 16:50 |
| +BartJol | yes? | 16:51 |
| +BartJol | ok | 16:51 |
| +BartJol | it is complainig that XML::TreePP isn't found | 16:52 |
| +BartJol | well, this will be stuff for later, I have to go to the bank to fix stuff for my house | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | thanks for the help | 16:53 |
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| trigger_trilogy | Hi. I want to download and install WebGUI to try it out. Architecture is i386 CentOS 5.2 is my OS. Would the wre-0.8.5-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz file be the best one for me to download? I am downloading it from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913 | 17:51 |
| trigger_trilogy | I think I can handle the rest of the installation as the wiki is pretty straightforward. | 17:52 |
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| wgGuest90 | hi folks | 20:26 |
| wgGuest90 | I run fedora 10, but ran redhat up until the split between it and fedora. | 20:27 |
| wgGuest90 | My question is, will the redhat version of webgui work fine, install cleanly on fedora 10, or is there a package just for fedora? | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm also a fedora user. I've never run the WRE, I always do a source install | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | You can get almost all the packages from fedora | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | all that's missing is some perl modules | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, of the opposite side, I get none of the advantages of the WRE | 20:31 |
| wgGuest90 | One of us should take the plunge, and try the WRE, eh? | 20:32 |
| wgGuest90 | perlDreamer, Are you running F10? | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:46 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer doesn't like all the work we put into the WRE | 20:48 |
| wgGuest90 | There's not a whole bunch on the wiki, but it looks like the WRE should install on F10. It did on F5. I guess I'll give it a try after work, this evening. | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | perlDreamer doesn't like that you can't say yum install webgui | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from that, the WRE's fine | 20:48 |
| wgGuest90 | So are you one of the developers? | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and besides, somebody has to do a source install | 20:49 |
| * perlDreamer is a developer | 20:49 | |
| +perlDreamer | he's also a father, and will be taking a short break to play with the kids ;) | 20:49 |
| wgGuest90 | Oh, Ok, I get it, and yes, I'd love to be able to say yum install webgui. | 20:49 |
| * preaction some days wishes he never heard of computer programming | 20:49 | |
| +perlDreamer | some days we wish the same thing, preaction | 20:49 |
| +perlmonkey21 | when creating a new template, how do you set its id to be something specific? | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | by code, or by interface? | 21:04 |
| * perlmonkey21 never has days like that ;) | 21:04 | |
| +perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: the interface. | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | can't do it | 21:05 |
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| +perlmonkey21 | daz eees unfortunate. | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | All the work that Tavis does is questionable, so for specificity, you have to use code | 21:05 |
| +perlmonkey21 | ssshhh, he's hear now, stop talking about him. | 21:05 |
| +perlmonkey21 | here | 21:05 |
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| +perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: So what's the easiest/laziest way to create a new template with a spiffy determined id? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | by code | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | or... | 21:07 |
| +perlmonkey21 | what about just editing it from the DB? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that would work, but you have to change it in all tables | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but why would you care about the ID, anyway? | 21:08 |
| +perlmonkey21 | well, default templates always have those spiffy human readable ids. | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Most of them do, yes. | 21:08 |
| +perlmonkey21 | and I'm creating a new workflow that might make it into head, and want it to be equal to all the other templates, so it won't get picked on. | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | new workflow? Tell me more! | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be nice if perl had macros | 21:09 |
| +perlmonkey21 | bah, nothing superfun. Just a simple workflow to see which survey responses are expired and/or delete and/or email the users. | 21:09 |
| +perlmonkey21 | yes it would. | 21:09 |
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| +perlmonkey21 | then I got back to rf data modem libs :D | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI telemetry, very cool | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it takes almost 100 microseconds to make a WebGUI::International object | 21:21 |
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| +perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: is that bad? | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | every method in every package makes a new i18n object to use | 21:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I aim to fix that | 21:54 |
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| +perlmonkey21 | yeah, maybe there should just be one in session which lazy loads the needed files. | 21:54 |
| +perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: what did you have in mind to fix it? | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the unthinkable | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the impossible | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the untenable! | 21:55 |
| * Mech4221 tests konversation | 21:55 | |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221 is also steve_? | 21:56 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: yeah - sorry - I didn't have the correct nick setup yet | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | well, let's test notification | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | steve_ | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | steve_ | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | steve_ | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | are you getting beeped at? | 21:57 |
| Mech4221 | ?? no - I changed my nick to 'mech4221' - so 'steve_' should have gone away ?? | 21:57 |
| Mech4221 | Mech4221 beeping yet ? | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221 | 21:57 |
| Mech4221 | heh - guess I can't beep myself :-P | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221 | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221 | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | beeping? | 21:58 |
| Mech4221 | nope - no sound ... | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 21:58 |
| Mech4221 | I'll have to dive into the options and see whats up | 21:58 |
| Mech4221 | so far I like the look of it - but I kinda like having a single 'chat' program for everything (eg pidgin) | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what do you not like about pidgin, or, what are we missing from a full featured IRC client? | 21:59 |
| +perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: F11 will replace pidgin as the default IM/IRC client. | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | with what? | 22:00 |
| Mech4221 | F11? never heard of it ? | 22:00 |
| @preaction | i've seen people have weird problems with pidgin/libpurple as an IRC interface, leading to them getting banned from channels | 22:00 |
| topsub | I am still having this issue with when someone places an order and gets the order email it has "You were sent a message from Visitor" and i can't find were this is coming from. Any clues? | 22:00 |
| @preaction | join/part loops for example | 22:01 |
| +perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: Empathy | 22:01 |
| @preaction | topsub: i believe that was a bug that was fixed recently | 22:01 |
| +perlmonkey21 | I've never heard of it | 22:01 |
| topsub | ooooo... what version would ya know? | 22:01 |
| topsub | or patch | 22:01 |
| @preaction | topsub: it was something about WebGUI::Inbox::Message, 7.6.10 or 11 maybe | 22:01 |
| Mech4221 | in a more wG related question - how do I 'script' wG configuration ? | 22:02 |
| @preaction | Mech4221: use WebGUI::Config or Config::JSON? | 22:02 |
| Mech4221 | I'm busilily adding and removing fields from this sites user profile... | 22:02 |
| @preaction | oh, that, use WebGUI::ProfileField | 22:02 |
| Mech4221 | and I'll probably blow the DB away and 'start from scratch' 5 or 10 times | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and an upgrade-type script | 22:03 |
| Mech4221 | so I'd like a script that can re-set all the lil check boxes for me :-) | 22:03 |
| Mech4221 | so use ProfileField in a upgrade script to do this ? | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221: is this a config for a particular user, or for the profile system? | 22:03 |
| Mech4221 | umm - for a site ? | 22:04 |
| Mech4221 | stuff like "don't show the 'home' contact info tab - just use the 'work' tab instead" | 22:04 |
| topsub | is there a way i can find that patch for that one. Don't think we are ready to do that kind of upgrade on this project? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be ProfileCategory | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::ProfileCategory.pm | 22:05 |
| @preaction | topsub: look through SVN for the last changes to WebGUI::Inbox::Message | 22:05 |
| topsub | alright cool, thanks preaction | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | #9367? | 22:06 |
| Mech4221 | Is there some way to setup all the admin stuff the way I want and just 'export' the site config as a 'package' or something ? | 22:07 |
| Mech4221 | or do I have to do a custom script ? | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | custom script | 22:07 |
| @preaction | you could replace the create.sql with a custom one | 22:07 |
| Mech4221 | uggh - with all the stuff that wG supports, that could be one big script :-) | 22:07 |
| @preaction | and the WebGUI.conf.original with a custom one | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221: Pluggable operations always accepted :) | 22:08 |
| @preaction | etc... | 22:08 |
| Mech4221 | preaction: Hmm - I'll have to look at those and see if I can grok them... | 22:08 |
| Mech4221 | I'm always a bit titchy about changing 'core' files... | 22:08 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: :-) | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Start with a Content Handler, WebGUI::Content::SiteCustomize.pm | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and use some intermediate format for all the data, JSON would be very WebGUI-like | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but that forces you to use the UI, so perhaps a new module that would do the export/import instead | 22:11 |
| Mech4221 | umm - not that I'm lazy or nothing - but could I just dump a table in the DB to do this ? | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Are many tables okay? | 22:11 |
| Mech4221 | is there a 'config' table that I can backup/restore ... umm - how many ? | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | ProfileCategory, ProfileField, settings | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that would get most of it | 22:12 |
| Mech4221 | the trick is to get 'just' the config. data, and not say users or profile data | 22:12 |
| Mech4221 | 3 tables isnt too bad | 22:12 |
| @preaction | userProfileData's structure needs to be changed | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | only if fields are added or removed, though | 22:12 |
| Mech4221 | oh foo - I do add a couple of fields to the user profile | 22:13 |
| Mech4221 | I'm going to be 'mass importing' users from the old plone system.. | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | well, then you also need the profile data table | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | script it, you won't be sorry about it in the long run | 22:13 |
| Mech4221 | so I wanted to do the wG setup/config once, and have it repeatable as I'll prolly fuxor the user import at least once | 22:14 |
| * perlDreamer takes a lunch break | 22:16 | |
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| * deafferret eats something greasy | 22:22 | |
| +perlmonkey21 | companyEmail is probably the email you want to auto use for ReplyTo's? | 22:35 |
| @preaction | yes, it will be used if all else fails | 22:36 |
| +perlmonkey21 | preaction: so that defaults if nothing is supplied? | 22:37 |
| @preaction | right | 22:37 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: thank you for fixing bug 9764 | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | You are welcome. | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen only asked for 1 kidney for that, so all is still okay | 22:56 |
| +perlmonkey21 | there a good place to stick random templates? I mean, every single workflow that needed a template, doesn't really need its own dir off of import, right? | 22:56 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know of any workflow that has custom templates | 22:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | SendNewsletters does | 22:58 |
| SynQ | he asked a kidney, I'd give him a bean | 23:02 |
| SynQ | there are more 'unneeded clicks' in the shop | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | like what? | 23:03 |
| SynQ | hang on, I'll create a demo site | 23:03 |
| SynQ | hmm | 23:04 |
| SynQ | as soon as I have finished updating the WRE I'll get a demo.webgui.nl running that is faster than demo.webgui.org | 23:04 |
| SynQ | I'm compiling a 'new WRE' right now | 23:05 |
| SynQ | with all nice new stuff in it like mysql 5.1 | 23:06 |
| SynQ | and all the latest versions of perl modules | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | be sure to run the test suite, SynQ. New versions have caused us problems in the past. | 23:10 |
| dreamersgirl | SynQ: congrats on Baby! | 23:11 |
| dreamersgirl | She's beautiful. | 23:11 |
| dreamersgirl | (perlDreamer showed me pics) | 23:11 |
| @preaction | how do you know perlDreamer? does his wife know about you? | 23:11 |
| dreamersgirl | shhhhhh. ;) | 23:12 |
| dreamersgirl | jk | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yikes | 23:12 |
| dreamersgirl | she thinks I'm pretty alright | 23:12 |
| @preaction | that's one hell of a self-esteem problem there missy... | 23:13 |
| @preaction | or, wait, you're missing a comma | 23:13 |
| @preaction | pretty, alright | 23:13 |
| @preaction | I'm going to eat Rover before I take another step! | 23:13 |
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| * perlDreamer suggests Black Bean Paste to go with Rover. | 23:14 | |
| +perlDreamer | the high acid content will help to soften the meat | 23:14 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:14 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: http://demo.webgui.org/demo1234818247_736/home | 23:14 |
| SynQ | there is the demo octopopi shop | 23:15 |
| SynQ | now let's say I want to buy one | 23:15 |
| dreamersgirl | What is an octopopi? | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:15 |
| SynQ | first there is a dropdown list, while there is only one version available | 23:15 |
| SynQ | so why is that a dropdown list? | 23:16 |
| * perlDreamer starts to keep count (1) | 23:16 | |
| SynQ | an octopopi is a popular gooey doll | 23:16 |
| SynQ | then I click add to cart | 23:16 |
| SynQ | it says 'thank you for buying octopopi' and gives me the choise for 'view cart' or 'continue shopping' | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm with you so far | 23:17 |
| SynQ | then I click 'view cart' | 23:18 |
| SynQ | it gives me a nice 'templatable' option menu | 23:18 |
| SynQ | so I choos 'choose address & checkout' | 23:18 |
| SynQ | then I get the 'bug' you just fixed | 23:18 |
| SynQ | an empty page with a button 'add new address' | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | right, we'll count that as still 1 extra click, since it's already fixed | 23:19 |
| SynQ | I proceed and enter that address | 23:19 |
| SynQ | after saving the address I get a window that displays the just filled out details to me | 23:20 |
| SynQ | and the option to add another address | 23:20 |
| SynQ | just a moment now | 23:21 |
| SynQ | I was just handed agirl | 23:21 |
| SynQ | :P | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | no girls in the Shopping Cart, please | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe she would like an octopopi? | 23:22 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:25 |
| SynQ | diaper changed let's continue | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | good man | 23:25 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 23:25 |
| dreamersgirl | perlDreamer's changed a few of those in his time, too | 23:25 |
| SynQ | to proceed I have to do yet another click on 'use this address' | 23:25 |
| SynQ | is that configurable? | 23:25 |
| SynQ | to be skipped | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | No. That is by design. | 23:25 |
| SynQ | damn | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | The AddressBook can contain multiple addresses | 23:25 |
| SynQ | it is a nice feature | 23:26 |
| SynQ | but I don't need it | 23:26 |
| SynQ | and I don't want to bother my customers with the extra click | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad did write a 1 step checkout macro that works | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so it is possible to customize | 23:26 |
| SynQ | macro | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | macro | 23:26 |
| SynQ | sounds like 'kludge; | 23:26 |
| SynQ | so we now have a shop that has a lot of features that are really nice | 23:28 |
| SynQ | but since we have them it makes the interface harder to use for our site users | 23:28 |
| SynQ | and that is by design | 23:28 |
| * perlDreamer puts on his Obi-Wan voice | 23:28 | |
| +perlDreamer | You are debating with the wrong person. | 23:28 |
| SynQ | no, not I am | 23:28 |
| SynQ | to the right person, talking I am | 23:29 |
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| SynQ | wise man can change code and has yet another kidney to spare :) | 23:29 |
| +yodaDreamer | Mohammed to the mountain can go once, no? | 23:29 |
| SynQ | uh | 23:29 |
| SynQ | is tavis awake? | 23:30 |
| * yodaDreamer uses the force on tavisto | 23:30 | |
| SynQ | are there any examples of shops (real live ones) created in WebGUI? | 23:30 |
| +yodaDreamer | tavisto: speaking on IRC you are wanting | 23:30 |
| @preaction | tavisto, tavisto, tavisto i invoke your name three times to summon you! | 23:30 |
| -!- yodaDreamer is now known as perlDreamer | 23:30 | |
| @tavisto | who dares disturb the wizard? | 23:30 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:30 |
| SynQ | great | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ wants to talk Shop. | 23:30 |
| SynQ | tavis my man | 23:30 |
| SynQ | :) | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | Koen! My brotha from anotha motha | 23:31 |
| SynQ | are there any portfolio for the webgui shop | 23:31 |
| SynQ | real live ones | 23:31 |
| SynQ | out ther | 23:31 |
| SynQ | I have a few that are 'in the making' | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from plainblack.com | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | all of Tiffany's shops use it | 23:32 |
| SynQ | aside from plainblack.com yes | 23:32 |
| SynQ | can you give me a url of a good looking one? | 23:32 |
| SynQ | which has custom layout (adjusted templates for checking out and stuff)? | 23:32 |
| * perlDreamer goes running, and will wait for the big boys to debate clickage. | 23:33 | |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: don't run, levitate like a real yoda would | 23:33 |
| * SynQ awaits in silence | 23:35 | |
| +perlmonkey21 | hmm, how would a workflow run processTemplate....arg | 23:37 |
| @preaction | my $template = WebGUI::Asset->new(); $template->process; | 23:37 |
| * SynQ breaks the silence | 23:37 | |
| SynQ | I'm trying to compete with this: http://www.mijnwinkel.nl/voorbeelden/ | 23:38 |
| +perlmonkey21 | preaction: oh......that seems self evident, like I shouldn't have had to ask :P | 23:38 |
| SynQ | which is dutch for myshop/examples | 23:38 |
| @preaction | ... great, now who's gonna put the slience back together again | 23:38 |
| dreamersgirl | all the kings horses and all the kings men | 23:38 |
| @preaction | you won't trust them with the big egg, but you'll trust them with silence... | 23:39 |
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| @preaction | now, if it were W. Bush, perhaps i could see them pulling it off | 23:40 |
| SynQ | tavis? | 23:40 |
| SynQ | are you there/ | 23:40 |
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| SynQ | I'm just a boy who's intentions are good.. oh lord please don't let me be misunderstood... lalala | 23:43 |
| @preaction | great, now i'm gonna have that song in my head all day | 23:44 |
| @preaction | the silence is officially assassinated and put to rest | 23:44 |
| @preaction | I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY | 23:44 |
| SynQ | I am not happy yet | 23:45 |
| SynQ | I might be happy when someone gives me a url of a shop implemented in webgui that looks as good or better than for example this one: http://www.oxleysclothing.com/ | 23:46 |
| SynQ | or this one: http://www.plantbestel.nl/ | 23:46 |
| SynQ | since I am working on this one: http://www.loopsetshop.com | 23:46 |
| SynQ | which is a full blown webgui shop site | 23:46 |
| SynQ | version 7.6.8 | 23:46 |
| SynQ | and I have a meeting on wednesday with a clothes retailer that has 30 or so shops and wants to consider using WebGUI as a platform for their online business | 23:47 |
| SynQ | which could mean a real kickoff for WebGUI shop in europe | 23:48 |
| SynQ | but I feel like that song right now | 23:48 |
| SynQ | this WebGUI implemented shop is going to switch to another system in a few weeks: http://www.dental-ergonomics.com/ | 23:49 |
| SynQ | they find webgui is too hard to manage for their needs | 23:50 |
| dreamersgirl | that's too bad | 23:52 |
| SynQ | it is | 23:52 |
| SynQ | and that would not be the first WebGUI-implemented shop I see moving to another system | 23:52 |
| SynQ | which is a shame | 23:52 |
| SynQ | so I need some good looking examples | 23:53 |
| SynQ | are there any? | 23:53 |
| SynQ | preferably retailer shops | 23:53 |
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| @tavisto | okay sorry was pulled away for a bit | 23:58 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:59 |
| SynQ | well, do you have some good examples for me? | 23:59 |
| @tavisto | as far as I am aware, there currently are not any major e-commerce sites using WebGUI. | 23:59 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, Agnes @ sube.com notified me that she's switching her e-commerce to an external cart because of that recurring bug | 00:00 |
| SynQ | not major | 00:01 |
| SynQ | I don't really need major | 00:01 |
| SynQ | but just 'one that actually works and looks good' | 00:01 |
| @tavisto | SynQ, you may want to talk to William at Knowmad as he's been able to have some success with WebGUI e-commerce sites | 00:01 |
| SynQ | are there any/ | 00:01 |
| SynQ | hmm | 00:01 |
| dreamersgirl | tavisto: perlDreamer is away for awhile | 00:01 |
| SynQ | does plainblack have direct clients that use the shop? | 00:01 |
| SynQ | or is that classified? :) | 00:02 |
| @tavisto | they use the shop through the EMS, but I can't think of anyone currently that runs a shop via WebGUI | 00:03 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:03 |
| @tavisto | doesn't mean they don't exist, but I don't know of any thus far. Now, for memberships there are a couple | 00:03 |
| SynQ | ok | 00:05 |
| SynQ | how do you like http://www.loopsetshop.com ? | 00:05 |
| SynQ | it's not 'live' yet | 00:05 |
| @tavisto | yeah, it's something we want to happen | 00:05 |
| SynQ | since there are still some bugs to be fixed | 00:05 |
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| @tavisto | but honestly, there's been 1-2 floating bugs that have been sporadic and perlDreamer and others have been trying to fix them out | 00:06 |
| @tavisto | that's why Sube is moving over to something else. | 00:06 |
| @preaction | SynQ: is that a Shelf asset? | 00:06 |
| @preaction | or a heavily modified bazaar? | 00:06 |
| @tavisto | seems pretty straightforward Synq | 00:07 |
| @tavisto | hey I gotta jet, my ride is leaving. Koen, if you have more questions about e-commerce, feel free to shoot me an email and I'll see what I can dig up for you. | 00:07 |
| SynQ | ok | 00:07 |
| SynQ | I will | 00:07 |
| SynQ | preaction: I don't know | 00:07 |
| @tavisto | I would really like to help you land that big retailer :) | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | SynQ: if that's a modified Shelf, those modifications would be nice | 00:08 |
| SynQ | it's a bazaar | 00:08 |
| @preaction | curses | 00:08 |
| @preaction | but still awesome | 00:08 |
| @preaction | its the one martin's been working on to add templating to the bazaar? | 00:08 |
| SynQ | probably | 00:08 |
| @preaction | very very nice | 00:09 |
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| SynQ | it's my brothers project | 00:09 |
| SynQ | it is one out of three sites that ProcoliX is sponsoring to implement a webgui shop for | 00:09 |
| SynQ | this is the old version of another one: http://www.cuffs.nl/cuffs/manchetknopen | 00:10 |
| SynQ | which is using shelfs in the new version | 00:10 |
| +perlmonkey21 | preaction: hmm, if I call WebGUI::Asset->new() is there a particular asset I should create, if all I want to do is process a template? | 00:12 |
| +perlmonkey21 | because an assetId is apparently required ;) | 00:12 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey21: templates are assets, you want the template asset that you're going to process | 00:12 |
| @preaction | so WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass( $session, 'templateId' ); | 00:12 |
| +perlmonkey21 | so much to learn. | 00:13 |
| @preaction | iow, look at what Asset->processTemplate does, and that's what you're gonna want to do (for the most part) | 00:13 |
| +perlmonkey21 | thanks | 00:13 |
| KlausH | Hi! What's happened to the tools repository in svn? I'm looking for translationserver.cgi. | 00:13 |
| @preaction | KlausH: they may have been moved to our git repository. github.com/plainblack | 00:14 |
| @preaction | http://github.com/plainblack/tools/tree/master | 00:15 |
| KlausH | Ohh, you're changing from svn to git? | 00:15 |
| @preaction | yes | 00:16 |
| SynQ | haarg is going to create a wiki page and mail the dev list about it | 00:18 |
| SynQ | he said that yesterday | 00:18 |
| KlausH | would be good to have some info on the dev list. yesterday I was looking for the tools repo and was searching for my error because a svn update shows strange errors. Now I know the reason ;-) | 00:23 |
| Mech4221 | hmm... | 00:45 |
| Mech4221 | Plone has the concept of a 'policy product' ... | 00:45 |
| Mech4221 | this is a pretty normal plone 'product' except, by convention, its only used to set configuration options | 00:45 |
| Mech4221 | for instance - adding/removing user profile fields, setting up custom workflows, etc | 00:46 |
| Mech4221 | anytime you want to restore the sites 'default' configuration you can just re-install the policy product | 00:46 |
| Mech4221 | (also useful for cloning sites, migrating stuff from dev to production, etc.) | 00:47 |
| SynQ | ok | 00:47 |
| SynQ | webgui has workflows | 00:47 |
| Mech4221 | would some sort of 'policy script' be a useful thing to have for wG ? | 00:47 |
| Mech4221 | a skeleton script that you can customize to setup a site's configuration ? | 00:47 |
| Mech4221 | (btw - where this feature comes in really handy is for contractors.... | 00:48 |
| SynQ | I guess so | 00:48 |
| Mech4221 | by supplying a 'policy product' to clients, you can be sure the client has all the right settings...) | 00:49 |
| SynQ | are you going to build that? | 00:49 |
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| Mech4221 | no | 00:49 |
| Mech4221 | I might try channeling perldreamer and preaction as their 'remote hands' though | 00:49 |
| SynQ | pitty | 00:49 |
| Mech4221 | depending on how good an idea they think it is | 00:49 |
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| Mech4221 | SynQ: you think it would be useful ? | 00:50 |
| SynQ | I think it could be | 00:50 |
| @preaction | it might be easiest to make a script that can copy certain aspects of one site to another site, such as "assets", "templates", "user profile fields", "users", and otherwise | 00:50 |
| SynQ | but how much depends on it's implementation | 00:50 |
| @preaction | then you can just start with "user profile fields" and "settings" and you'll be done | 00:50 |
| @preaction | might be excellent to add to the wgdev stuff | 00:51 |
| Mech4221 | preaction: I think actual 'users' and 'assets' should probably be seperate scripts, as they are more 'content' then 'configuration' ?? | 00:51 |
| Mech4221 | cool | 00:51 |
| Mech4221 | ok - perldreamer mentioned starting with the update script - lemme go look at that | 00:52 |
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| @preaction | yes and no, it'll still be making raw changes to the database | 00:52 |
| Mech4221 | tampfl.fios.verizon.net ? Hmm - I might need to move... | 00:52 |
| Mech4221 | no fios around here - just 'u-verse' :-( | 00:52 |
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| Mech4221 | preaction: hmm - would the 'utility' skeleton be the place to start? q | 01:01 |
| @preaction | Mech4221: yes | 01:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, this has gone on long enough | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | there is no reason for these Shop problems to continue | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I need someone who is experiencing these problems to give me access to their site | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so I can catch one in realtime, in the logs | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been hunting down and fixing these for over 8 months, and anything that I can duplicate, I've fixed. | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but for the rest, without a log entry or something else, I'm just spinning my wheels. | 01:32 |
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| Mech4221 | would this be the general pattern for adding a new profile field ? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d197d8e43 | 01:38 |
| Mech4221 | and if so, how would we like to do that in a 'configuration' script ? | 01:38 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: the bugs that I feel are bugs could also be called features | 01:38 |
| Mech4221 | (personally, I'd like to add the hash ref. to the 'new' type function...) | 01:38 |
| SynQ | as far as shop is concerned | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: Usability and brokenness are separate. | 01:39 |
| SynQ | agreed | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and I've fixed both | 01:39 |
| SynQ | that is why I like you so much | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, you're on exactly the right track | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the key to any good script, is the session variable | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | once you have a session variable tied to a particular config and site, you're money | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why you should start with a utility skeleton | 01:40 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: with the pattern ? or with adding the hash to new() ? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | your pattern is sound | 01:40 |
| Mech4221 | ahh - yeah - started there | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | in fact, if you grep through the past upgrade scripts, I know you'd find examples of how to add new profileFields | 01:40 |
| Mech4221 | right - but what would a 'configuration' script look like, in a perfect world ? | 01:41 |
| Mech4221 | should it exactly mirror the regular api | 01:41 |
| Mech4221 | should it have 'convienence' functions for its specialized task, etc etc | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you could do it either way | 01:41 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: when I'm done creating the new WRE I'm going to create my own 'example' shop | 01:41 |
| SynQ | I'll give you access to that if you'd like | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I usually stay close to the native API | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, if your Shop is duplicating the bugs that are causing people problems, that would help | 01:42 |
| SynQ | I don't know what those bugs are | 01:42 |
| SynQ | but I'll try very hard to use all possible components of the shop | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure I know, either. | 01:43 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:43 |
| SynQ | I have found another bug | 01:43 |
| SynQ | in http://demo.webgui.org/demo1234818247_736/home | 01:43 |
| SynQ | click the 'add to cart' once | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | is this a usability concern, or an accursed breaking of functionality? | 01:44 |
| SynQ | then go back to 'home' by clicking on the octopopishop link | 01:44 |
| SynQ | then click on 'add to cart' again | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221: for modifying an existing ProfileField, you're on the right path. new, then set. | 01:44 |
| SynQ | in the 'view cart' it will show three lines | 01:44 |
| SynQ | instead of the item with a quantity of 3 | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, are you Visitor, or Admin? | 01:45 |
| SynQ | is that a bug | 01:45 |
| SynQ | visitor | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that is not a bug | 01:45 |
| SynQ | is that a usability issue? | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you added a new instance of the same thing, instead of changing the quantity to 3 in the cart | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that's usability | 01:45 |
| SynQ | hmm | 01:45 |
| SynQ | in that case I probably have a lot of usability issues with Shop | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I would document them all, and bring them on the dev list. I'm sure that several of them would be defined as bugs to be fixed now, others would be discussed, and some would be RFEs. | 01:46 |
| SynQ | as a user I don't understand why adding another 'octopopi - octi' to the cart doesn't raise the quantity but adds a new line | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and since 7.7 is opening soon, RFEs have a very good chance of getting in | 01:46 |
| SynQ | you are right | 01:47 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: ahh - well then, that parts easy enough - I just do nothing and use the existing api :-) | 01:47 |
| SynQ | I should | 01:47 |
| Mech4221 | SynQ: in some cases - you don't want to collapse line items | 01:47 |
| Mech4221 | SynQ: for instance when billing large orgs (pb works with govt.) - sometimes diff. departments pay for stuff | 01:48 |
| SynQ | Mech4221: agreed, but I would argue that in most cases you do want that | 01:48 |
| Mech4221 | SynQ: 'most' depends on your marktet - for retail, such as your discussing, I agree | 01:48 |
| SynQ | ok | 01:48 |
| Mech4221 | also, when 'selling time' (hourly billing) - you might not want to collapse | 01:49 |
| SynQ | might | 01:49 |
| Mech4221 | like selling 3 x '10 hours telephone support' | 01:49 |
| SynQ | I understand | 01:50 |
| SynQ | you are not wrong | 01:50 |
| Mech4221 | sorry - I'll hush now :-) | 01:50 |
| SynQ | oh lord please don't let me be misunderstood | 01:50 |
| SynQ | the thing is | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | no, this is good discussion. rizen usually specs stuff to the widest possible market, not the simplest or most common. | 01:51 |
| SynQ | but irc is the wrong place for such a discussion | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the audience for irc is small | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's quick | 01:51 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: unfortunately, that means you end up with tons of knobs to twiddle... | 01:51 |
| SynQ | I lack the right cultural words to say the right things | 01:51 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: which tends to confuse end users | 01:52 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: that might be a use for these 'configuration' scripts... | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, good. For a second I thought you were proposing two shops. | 01:52 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: 'configs-inna-can' - just download and run them and they pre-configure your wG for specific usages | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and, as to collapse, that could be a Product level property. This product collapses is the default. | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | that's one way to keep the cart itself simple | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | build the smarts into the products | 01:53 |
| SynQ | ok | 01:53 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: oh sorry - no, I meant the 'spec for widest market' thing leads to 'feature explosion' | 01:53 |
| SynQ | if I can make another comment on this matter | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the floor is yours, SynQ | 01:54 |
| SynQ | IF you create stuff to the widest possible market THEN you should create all the configure options to tailor that to the simplest or most common use | 01:54 |
| SynQ | if not you get a product that is not suited for the larger part of possible applications | 01:55 |
| SynQ | which is the case now for Shop in my opinion | 01:55 |
| SynQ | I cannot use it for a retail shop since my retail shop will lose out on the compitition for not being user friendly (read tailored to the application) | 01:56 |
| Mech4221 | doing a totally configurable shop is a huge _deployment_ task - let alone development task... which I think is why specialized e-commerce packages are so prevalent... | 01:56 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I understand what you're saying, SynQ. The problem with the term "user friendly" is that it seems to be so user specific. | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and if it comes down to one opinion over another | 01:57 |
| SynQ | yes and no | 01:57 |
| SynQ | I don't agree completely | 01:57 |
| SynQ | read the book 'don't make me think' | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | You're right. Reducing the number of clicks in default situations is an easy change. | 01:58 |
| Mech4221 | SynQ: LOL - we have that around here somewhere... | 01:58 |
| SynQ | if a user for a specific website does not need to choose (since there is no choice) then forcing that choice is BAD | 01:58 |
| +perlmonkey21 | If you package a folder, are its contents included? | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, all children go into packages | 01:58 |
| +perlmonkey21 | sweet | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | layouts, folders, CS, etc. | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | copying, however, is different | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | or am I thinking export...? | 01:59 |
| SynQ | if you click on 'buy this book' twice then the cart should list one line with that book showing quantity two | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | except in the case when you need different line items, as Mech4221 pointed out. And, I followed up with how to make that happen. | 01:59 |
| SynQ | if shop cannot be configured to do that then shop is not the ultimate shop | 01:59 |
| SynQ | it is the 'something of every option' shop | 01:59 |
| Mech4221 | no offense guys - but do you really think you get the 'ultimate shop' in a product thats not e-commerce specific ? | 02:00 |
| Mech4221 | there's just waaay too many edge cases etc | 02:01 |
| SynQ | that is what the promise of Shop 2.0 was | 02:01 |
| SynQ | the ultimate shop | 02:01 |
| Mech4221 | payment gateway, tax/vat, shipping | 02:01 |
| SynQ | the ultimate open source available shop | 02:01 |
| Mech4221 | the list goes on and on | 02:01 |
| SynQ | hang on | 02:01 |
| SynQ | I'll lookup the announcement for you | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, the API is there to do all of those things | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just a question of what is currently built today | 02:02 |
| Mech4221 | e-commerce is the one side of the biz. I actively look to outsource... | 02:02 |
| SynQ | the thing is | 02:02 |
| SynQ | I think the WebGUI programmers have the power to build the ultimate shop | 02:02 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: yeah - and even if you just had to 'check boxes' - with the huge number of boxes to check, its faster/cheaper to just use a dedicated e-commerce package/service | 02:03 |
| SynQ | cheaper/faster | 02:03 |
| SynQ | that depends | 02:03 |
| SynQ | http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/next-webgui-shop | 02:04 |
| Mech4221 | anyway - thats just my opinion, of course and IANAL, IANAMD, etc etc | 02:04 |
| SynQ | ok | 02:05 |
| SynQ | so what dedicated e-commerce package/service integrates nicely with webgui and is open source | 02:05 |
| Mech4221 | umm | 02:05 |
| SynQ | osCommerce? Zen Cart? | 02:06 |
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| Mech4221 | I don't use open source e-commerce | 02:06 |
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| SynQ | ok | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, we'll decide an appropriate penance for you to carry out. | 02:06 |
| SynQ | I do | 02:06 |
| SynQ | yes | 02:06 |
| SynQ | you should just try it once | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | You may begin by writing test scripts. | 02:07 |
| SynQ | plus, it is not about 'cheap' it is about 'freedom' | 02:07 |
| Mech4221 | I haven't looked at OSS e-commerce in 6 months to a year | 02:07 |
| Mech4221 | haven't used it in even longer | 02:07 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: how about config scripts ?? | 02:07 |
| Mech4221 | I used one called ZWarehouse for Zope that wasn't bad.. | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | donated back to the core or the Bazaar? it's a good start. | 02:08 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: as I mentioned above - I'm starting to think that maybe 'configs in a can' would be useful for newbies ? | 02:08 |
| Mech4221 | configureBlog.pl or configureWiki.pl or configureIntranet.pl | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | possibly. I know they'd jump for styles and templates. | 02:09 |
| Mech4221 | download, and run | 02:09 |
| SynQ | newbies using webgui? | 02:09 |
| SynQ | I'll have to meet the first one | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, some of that is in the site starter. | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but for preconfiguration, you're right on track. | 02:09 |
| SynQ | if you really want to help in that area | 02:09 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: yeah - but there's a ton more 'boxes to check'... | 02:09 |
| SynQ | create a dozen or something styles | 02:10 |
| SynQ | that have a lot of assets covered | 02:10 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: like the site starter didn't seem to create blogs ? | 02:10 |
| Mech4221 | which seems to be the most popular thing right now | 02:10 |
| SynQ | on the bazaar there are less then 10 styles to choose from | 02:10 |
| SynQ | and most of them only have a page layout implemented | 02:10 |
| Mech4221 | we ran into issues like that with plone.. | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, that's something that could definitely be added to the Site Starter | 02:11 |
| Mech4221 | since you could add many 'products' to your site via the web mgmt. screens | 02:11 |
| Mech4221 | theme authors never knew _what_ pieces were required to fully 'theme' a site | 02:11 |
| Mech4221 | did you install XX ? did you install YY ? it was a pita | 02:11 |
| SynQ | but with webgui | 02:12 |
| SynQ | you get a bunch of default asset types | 02:12 |
| SynQ | most of which only have a 'default' style | 02:13 |
| SynQ | no other styles ready or directly available anywhere | 02:13 |
| Mech4221 | styles/themes are just a question of 'market share'... | 02:14 |
| Mech4221 | If you get the buzz, you'll get the themes | 02:14 |
| Mech4221 | thats why joomla has tons of themes, and older systems like wG, Plone, etc | 02:14 |
| Mech4221 | still have relatively limited choices | 02:14 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: how do I 'test' the WREbuild? | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | You need a site config for an example site | 02:15 |
| Mech4221 | (also, 'professional' systems generally don't have a lot of themes as having a designer do a skin is part of the job...) | 02:15 |
| SynQ | ok | 02:15 |
| SynQ | hang on | 02:15 |
| SynQ | oh | 02:19 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: I gotta come to bed | 02:19 |
| SynQ | I'll proceed tomorrow | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll catch you then. | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Schlaff gutt. | 02:19 |
| SynQ | nite | 02:20 |
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| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: stupid question - is there a reason to prefer ProfileField->new + PF->set() to PF->create() ? create() can take the properties hash, and does checks against existing field names ? | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | create will not fetch a new one from the DB | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | only new will do that | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | that is very common to the WebGUI UI, by the way | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | create builds fresh ones | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | new gets one from the db | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | User, Group and Storage are the exceptions to that | 03:00 |
| Mech4221 | ahh - so using new() means the script could be re-run without harming the db/throwing an error | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 03:01 |
| Mech4221 | thanks | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so, our "modify" path is instanciate, then modify (and then save, in some rare cases) | 03:01 |
| Mech4221 | and how do I setup a drop-down list for a setting ? | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to set the correct field type | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I would look at an existing one for an example of how to do it | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and then look in the db for all the correct settings | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a rough idea, but I'd hate to cost you time with bad advice. | 03:03 |
| Mech4221 | ah - ok .. I need to figure out how to specify the actual values ('one, two,' etc) | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | for that, you want to send it a perl data "fragment" | 03:04 |
| Mech4221 | a hash ref of key=>value or something ? | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 03:05 |
| Mech4221 | so something like \@{ 'choice 1' => 'value in db 1' } ? | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | \@ is bad | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | a bare, perl hashref is just curly braces | 03:06 |
| Mech4221 | oh ? My perl is rusty - I thought that just took a ref. to an anonomous hash ? | 03:06 |
| Mech4221 | ahh ok | 03:06 |
| Mech4221 | that looks nicer too | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | have a look at the gender profile field for a good example of what is required | 03:06 |
| Mech4221 | will do | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the WebGUI::International::get in there is a "safe" call to the i18n system so that values displayed to the user are internationalized. | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | a subset of perl code is allowed in the settings | 03:08 |
| Mech4221 | ?? I haven't found it yet - grep -r gender * returned a ton o crap :-P | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | try it in mysql | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | select * from userProfileField where name="gender"; | 03:10 |
| Mech4221 | it appears I have an svn checkout of the code base - ahh.. ok | 03:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | make that fieldName="gender" | 03:10 |
| Mech4221 | urrgk.. now I need to find mysql | 03:11 |
| Mech4221 | its not in /data/wre/sbin | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not in your path? | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | run the setenvironment script? | 03:12 |
| Mech4221 | fudge..no, its a fresh login window - didn't run it | 03:13 |
| Mech4221 | Hmm - we default to 'neuter'd... | 03:15 |
| Mech4221 | sounds painful | 03:15 |
| Mech4221 | ok so lemme check if these column names match the option keys you can pass to ProfileField->set() | 03:17 |
| Mech4221 | that should be it, I think | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, that selection is tied to the user's choice of daily programming language | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | >:) | 03:17 |
| metanil | if i set a user (say user A) as "group admin", it says it can have ability to add/remove from their groups.. What other groups needed for user A to do that because currently i can't see any option for both "user" and "group" in Admin Console.. | 03:17 |
| Mech4221 | Meaning, since I use Python, I should be popular with the ladies ?? | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, yes, due to their lack of need for birth control | 03:18 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: oh, touche! You wound me, good sirrah ! | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil, they might need Turn On Admin as well | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | now, if only my coding as as sharp as my wit... | 03:18 |
| Mech4221 | LOL | 03:19 |
| metanil | perlDreamer: no luck with that as well (the user already is content manager) | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil, it could be a bug, but I'm guessing that it's just escaping us. Do you have a copy of the Admin Guide to check? | 03:21 |
| +perlDreamer | or have you looked in the wiki or the discussion boards | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 03:22 |
| metanil | sure | 03:22 |
| metanil | perlDreamer: i think that is also affected by some "Permissions" option in "settings" page, right? whats the default group for "group" and "user"? | 03:24 |
| +perlDreamer | secondaryAdmin should still work | 03:24 |
| metanil | mine is showing Groups -> Admins , Groups(limited) ->secondary Admins , User -> Admins, Users (add only)->Secondary Admins | 03:26 |
| metanil | does it look ok? | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It looks okay to me, but obviously I'm missing some detail. | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta head off for the day. | 03:28 |
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| metanil | i created a user (say user A) as "group admin" (for Group XYZ) in WebGUI DEMO SITE, it says it can have ability to "add/remove users from their groups".. What other groups needs to be assigned for user A to do that because currently i can't see any option (icons) for both "user" and "group" in Admin Console.. The user A is currently in groups "Secondary Admin", "Turn Admin On" and "XYZ". | 03:51 |
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| Mech4221 | Hmm... | 04:01 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9561 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm): If the user's addressbook is empty, go directly to add an address. | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9562 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Contributions.pm): URLs were wrong in the Account::Contributions screen. | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9567 /branch/survey-rfe/root_import_expireincompletesurveyresponses.wgpkg: fixed typo in template | 04:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix the link for AIM to not point to the Spanish language site. | 04:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: No offense, guys. | 04:10 |
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| Mech4221 | crudpuppies | 05:27 |
| Mech4221 | anyone know a good "Perl for XX programmers" type site ? | 05:27 |
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| Mech4221 | I've forgotten some rather important chunks of perl, and don't want to dig out my perl books | 05:27 |
| +perlmonkey21 | perldoc? | 05:33 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9571 /wrebuild/build.sh: changed one installperlmodule to buildperlmodule, fixed typo in version number | 11:20 |
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| SynQ2 | eureka! | 13:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9572 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): | 15:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added these perl modules: | 15:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Algorithm-C3-0.07 | 15:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Class-C3-XS-0.08 | 15:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Class-C3-0.20 | 15:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: XML-TreePP-0.37 | 15:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: XML-FeedPP-0.37 | 15:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9573 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: Added better readability to getsource script | 15:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9574 /wrebuild/wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf: Enabled innodb in my.cnf | 15:24 |
| SynQ2 | I would almost say the new WRE is ready for beta release | 15:39 |
| SynQ2 | unfortunately I don't have an intel mac available for compiling a darwin version | 15:40 |
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| SynQ2 | gnn | 16:26 |
| SynQ2 | Checking for module DateTime: Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/DateTime/Locale.pm line 298 | 16:26 |
| SynQ2 | this is also mentioned here: https://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/installing-on-ubuntu-8_04 | 16:33 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9575 /wrebuild/build.sh: fixed awstats version 6.9 typo | 16:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9576 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses.pm: Time multiplier was set wrong | 16:34 |
| SynQ2 | seems to me it has something to do with the new version of UNIVERSAL::can | 16:34 |
| SynQ2 | http://search.cpan.org/dist/UNIVERSAL-can/ | 16:34 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 16:35 |
| SynQ2 | UNIVERSAL can is the same version | 16:35 |
| SynQ2 | it must be DateTime then | 16:35 |
| SynQ2 | yes | 16:36 |
| SynQ2 | that is from 0.37 gone to 0.42 | 16:36 |
| SynQ2 | to 0.4501 even http://search.cpan.org/dist/DateTime/ | 16:37 |
| SynQ2 | which is very odd | 16:39 |
| SynQ2 | since http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/DROLSKY/DateTime-0.4501/Changes | 16:39 |
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| SynQ2 | states that it is fixed allready | 16:39 |
| SynQ2 | very strange | 16:40 |
| SynQ2 | ah | 16:41 |
| SynQ2 | it is not in DateTime but in DateTime::Locale | 16:41 |
| * SynQ2 feels dapperedodo his telephone is going to ring | 16:43 | |
| SynQ2 | any moment now :) | 16:43 |
| SynQ2 | how am I going to get that perl module fixed? | 16:44 |
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| SynQ2 | hmm | 17:04 |
| SynQ2 | where is Class::MakeMethods used in WebGUI? | 17:04 |
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| Lisette | if i have an image in my desk and i put in snippet like <img> i must upload image or i can call from your location? | 17:27 |
| BartJo1 | you can refer in your image tag, but with a complete url of the image file | 17:28 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 17:28 |
| SynQ2 | Haarg.. | 17:28 |
| SynQ2 | where is MySQL::Diff used in WebGUI? | 17:28 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure that it is | 17:29 |
| SynQ2 | oh | 17:29 |
| @Haarg | might just be a useful thing to include and simple to install | 17:30 |
| SynQ2 | since MySQL::Diff needs Class::MakeMethods which needs UNIVERSAL::isa and UNIVERSAL::can which are giving me trouble with perl 5.10.0 | 17:30 |
| @Haarg | well, just having those installed doesn't matter | 17:30 |
| @Haarg | unless someone loads them | 17:31 |
| SynQ2 | well | 17:31 |
| @Haarg | they give me trouble too though | 17:31 |
| SynQ2 | UNIVERSAL::can gives trouble since it overloads a part of the perl core | 17:31 |
| SynQ2 | wich throws an error in DateTime::Locale | 17:31 |
| @Haarg | yeah, but as i say that only matters if someone loads them | 17:31 |
| SynQ2 | perl testEnvironment.pl loads them | 17:32 |
| @Haarg | they are needed for Test::MockObject as well | 17:32 |
| SynQ2 | so does testCodebase.pl | 17:32 |
| SynQ2 | ah | 17:32 |
| SynQ2 | the real trouble is in DateTime::Locale as far as I can see | 17:32 |
| SynQ2 | since that Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/DateTime/Locale.pm line 298 | 17:34 |
| SynQ2 | would you be so nice as to see how that line 298 could be fixed so we can send an e-mail to the author of DateTime::Locale to fix that? | 17:34 |
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| @Haarg | that's what i hate about UNIVERSAL::can | 17:35 |
| @Haarg | it isn't being called as a function | 17:35 |
| SynQ2 | I don't understand the difference between a method or a function | 17:35 |
| @Haarg | well, calling as a function would be like UNIVERSAL::can($object, 'methodname') | 17:36 |
| @Haarg | as a method would be $object->can('methodname') | 17:36 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 17:36 |
| SynQ2 | line 298 in /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/DateTime/Locale.pm states this: | 17:39 |
| SynQ2 | unless ( $real_class->can('new') ) | 17:39 |
| @Haarg | yes | 17:39 |
| @Haarg | it's a UNIVERSAL::can bug basically | 17:39 |
| SynQ2 | is that not 'called as a method' then? | 17:39 |
| @Haarg | that is it being called as a method as it should be | 17:40 |
| @Haarg | http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=31350 | 17:40 |
| SynQ2 | then why is it throwing an error? | 17:40 |
| @Haarg | bug in UNIVERSAL::can | 17:40 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 17:41 |
| @Haarg | you could try with the beta version of it | 17:41 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9577 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/dd.js: Drag and drop functionality vastly improved in usability. | 17:41 |
| SynQ2 | beta version of UNIVERSAL::can? | 17:41 |
| @Haarg | http://search.cpan.org/~chromatic/UNIVERSAL-can-1.13_001/ | 17:41 |
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| SynQ2 | ok | 17:42 |
| SynQ2 | I think we should put that in the WRE then | 17:42 |
| SynQ2 | if it fixes it | 17:42 |
| @Haarg | maybe | 17:42 |
| @Haarg | have to see if it fixes it first | 17:42 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 17:43 |
| SynQ2 | I'm recompiling ... | 17:43 |
| SynQ2 | yes sir | 17:44 |
| SynQ2 | that fixes it | 17:44 |
| SynQ2 | now it's time to testCodebase | 17:49 |
| SynQ2 | haarg: what OS is your development machine? | 17:49 |
| @Haarg | os x | 17:49 |
| SynQ2 | whould you mind compiling the svn version of the WRE on that? | 17:50 |
| SynQ2 | for convienience I have added two script to download all sources | 17:51 |
| SynQ2 | in their correct versions | 17:51 |
| @Haarg | i can, but i may not get to it until tonight | 17:53 |
| SynQ2 | that would be great | 17:54 |
| SynQ2 | testCodebase.pl gives me these results: Failed 38/226 test scripts. 310/10702 subtests failed. | 17:55 |
| SynQ2 | not too bad ;) | 17:55 |
| @Haarg | which version of WebGUI? | 17:55 |
| SynQ2 | 7.6.11 | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | 7.6.11 should fully pass tests if the environment is set up correctly | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | svn head probably not | 17:57 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | if you pastebin the test results i may be able to give some pointers | 17:57 |
| SynQ2 | ok, hang on then | 17:58 |
| SynQ2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3f9a624c | 17:59 |
| SynQ2 | there is a part of it | 17:59 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 17:59 |
| SynQ2 | perhaps my WRE is still missing some parts | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | so far looks like some missing prereqs | 18:00 |
| SynQ2 | indeed so | 18:00 |
| SynQ2 | which is weird | 18:00 |
| SynQ2 | since perl testEnvironment.pl doesnt' complain about HTML::Treebuilder | 18:02 |
| SynQ2 | Finance::Quote requires that | 18:04 |
| SynQ2 | adding it to the WRE... | 18:04 |
| SynQ2 | how about this one: BD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'filename' cannot be null at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 137. | 18:08 |
| SynQ2 | here is a new pastebin http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7ca2179e | 18:09 |
| SynQ2 | Column storageId cannot be null | 18:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9578 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): updated perlmodule UNIVERSAL-can-1.13_001 | 18:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9579 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): Adding perl module HTML-Tree-3.23 | 18:09 |
| SynQ2 | what could be the problem there? | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | hard to say without stack trace | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | is this a clean database? | 18:11 |
| SynQ2 | it's a clean 'add new site' database | 18:11 |
| SynQ2 | is there a description on 'how to actually run testCodebase.pl' somewhere? | 18:11 |
| @Haarg | not that i know | 18:12 |
| SynQ2 | I see this page: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/developers-guide-to-testing-in-webgui | 18:13 |
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| SynQ2 | Failed 37/226 test programs. 219/10801 subtests failed. | 18:32 |
| SynQ2 | here are the errors in webgui.log http://webgui.pastebin.com/m87f13fb | 18:33 |
| SynQ2 | time to go home, later~ | 18:41 |
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| topsub | in the bazaar how is hte "most downloaded" done, is that perday or overall? | 18:53 |
| @preaction | topsub: overall i believe | 18:53 |
| topsub | seems out of order, by just checking the detail page and view the downloads | 18:54 |
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| daviddelikat | am I correct in thinking that WG 7.7 is in git? | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | no | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | webgui itself isn't going into git until we start on 8.0 dev | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | or at least we aren't moving it | 19:17 |
| daviddelikat | hmmm, I'm having trouble getting it | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | i'm going to start mirroring it into github in a few days | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | we also haven't branched for 7.7 yet | 19:18 |
| daviddelikat | svn keeps telling me that "URL 'https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.7' doesn't exist" | 19:18 |
| @preaction | because it doesn't exist | 19:18 |
| daviddelikat | but if I try it in firefox it works | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat | ok that explains it... | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat | what should I be using? | 19:20 |
| @preaction | nothing, there is no 7.7 dev yet | 19:20 |
| daviddelikat | so I just keep my stuff to myself for a while then? | 19:20 |
| @preaction | for now, yes | 19:20 |
| @Haarg | feature freeze is still on for now | 19:20 |
| daviddelikat | how do I make sure I have the latest of everything? | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | at the moment it's just https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI/ | 19:22 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9580 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm: cache canShowDebug a little differently to allow for mime type changes | 19:41 |
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| bernd_kz | Hm, just had a timeout error. | 20:27 |
| bernd_kz | Did my previous messages get through? | 20:27 |
| bernd_kz | preaction, do you have a second? | 20:34 |
| bernd_kz | Haarg? | 20:37 |
| SynQ | I'm hooome | 20:37 |
| SynQ | bernd | 20:37 |
| SynQ | what OS do you use for running the WRE? | 20:38 |
| bernd_kz | Ubuntu. Why? | 20:38 |
| bernd_kz | SynQ? | 20:42 |
| SynQ | yes | 20:43 |
| SynQ | ah | 20:43 |
| SynQ | since I have created a WRE sort of | 20:43 |
| SynQ | and I would like to have a compiled version for centos | 20:43 |
| SynQ | to see if it works there too | 20:43 |
| SynQ | actually I didn't create it | 20:44 |
| SynQ | I just did some work on the stuff that is in it | 20:44 |
| bernd_kz | The standard virtual appliance is centos. | 20:44 |
| SynQ | nice | 20:44 |
| SynQ | could you compile the current svn version of the wre? | 20:45 |
| SynQ | there are two new scripts | 20:45 |
| SynQ | to get the program sources and perl modules | 20:45 |
| bernd_kz | No, not mine. I meant the official plain black virtual appliance. | 20:45 |
| SynQ | ah ok | 20:46 |
| bernd_kz | But it does not come with build essentials. | 20:46 |
| SynQ | ah | 20:46 |
| bernd_kz | Unfortunately, I have no clue of centos. | 20:46 |
| SynQ | ah ok | 20:46 |
| bernd_kz | Would be quite difficult for me to setup everything. | 20:46 |
| SynQ | ubuntu should also work just fine | 20:46 |
| bernd_kz | You want me to compile on ubuntu? | 20:47 |
| SynQ | yes please | 20:48 |
| SynQ | cd /data ; svn export https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild ; cd /data/wrebuild ; sh getsource.sh ; sh getperlmodules.sh ; ./build --all | 20:49 |
| SynQ | that should take care of it :) | 20:49 |
| SynQ | make sure you don't allready have a /data/wre | 20:49 |
| SynQ | since that will be overwritten/polluted with the new wre :) | 20:50 |
| SynQ | you need about 1,5GB of diskspace | 20:50 |
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| bernd_ | SynQ? I am back again. | 20:53 |
| bernd_ | My wireless connection was interrupted. | 20:54 |
| bernd_ | My last line was: | 20:54 |
| bernd_ | Oops. I do have /data/wre on my computer. | 20:54 |
| bernd_ | And I do still need it. | 20:54 |
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| SynQ | ok | 22:01 |
| SynQ | that was a nice dinner | 22:01 |
| SynQ | I wonder when JT will be on irc again | 22:04 |
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| metanil | i created a user (say user A) as "group admin" (for Group XYZ) in WebGUI DEMO SITE, it says it can have ability to "add/remove users from their groups".. | 22:14 |
| metanil | What other groups needs to be assigned for user A to do that because currently i can't see any option (icons) for both "user" and "group" in Admin Console.. | 22:14 |
| metanil | The user A is currently in groups "Secondary Admin", "Turn Admin On" and "XYZ". | 22:14 |
| metanil | How can i make of that feature "Is group admin"? | 22:15 |
| SynQ | sorry, I don't know | 22:16 |
| metanil | any other volunteers? | 22:17 |
| SynQ | are the smoketests supposed to give back a 0 | 22:19 |
| SynQ | who is in charge of testing at plainblack? | 22:27 |
| SynQ | my guess is preaction | 22:27 |
| @preaction | WHOOOO DISTURBS MY SLUMBERRRR | 22:27 |
| @preaction | SynQ: the prove -r should exit 0 on success yet | 22:28 |
| bernd_ | preaction, master of the galery! | 22:29 |
| bernd_ | Where can I find documentation of the template vars for albums in the "list albums view"? | 22:29 |
| bernd_ | This is a miracle to me. | 22:29 |
| @preaction | bernd_: look for Gallery Album Common Variables | 22:30 |
| bernd_ | It is mystery, isn't it? | 22:31 |
| bernd_ | I mean, not miracle. | 22:31 |
| SynQ | preaction: does that mean the '0' is the only correct output? | 22:31 |
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| SynQ | ah | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | choo | 22:32 |
| SynQ | there is my perlDreamer | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | late, tired, sore, but present | 22:32 |
| SynQ | the man after my heart | 22:32 |
| bernd_ | hey there! | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, are we releasing today? | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:33 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: can you put the output of testCodebase.pl on your server in a pastebin? | 22:33 |
| SynQ | Haarg: do you release stable only when no tests are failing? | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m396d1f39 | 22:33 |
| SynQ | or do you release anyway even if tests are failling | 22:33 |
| @Haarg | depends on the tests | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | some of the tests, like the pod tests, aren't a priority | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | basically, i fix anything the tests find before releasing | 22:34 |
| SynQ | hmm | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | there were a number of tests failing for a long time | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | but we have all those tests fixed now | 22:34 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: my test output doesn't look anything like yours | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | _had_ | 22:35 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: how do you invoke your tests? | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I use prove | 22:35 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 22:35 |
| @Haarg | all the tests passed when i ran them earlier today | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll update | 22:36 |
| SynQ | prove? | 22:36 |
| SynQ | not testCodebase.pl ? | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | testCodebase.pl is a frontend for prove | 22:36 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:36 |
| SynQ | how do I use prove to get the same testresults as you do? | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | cd /data/WebGUI/t | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | export WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/myconfig.conf | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | prove -r . | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I may have skewed db vs code. Let me reset and rerun | 22:38 |
| SynQ | that still doesn't look anything like it | 22:39 |
| SynQ | but I'll paste it into a bin | 22:39 |
| SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d11304de5 | 22:43 |
| SynQ | hmm | 22:43 |
| SynQ | I guess I'm missing Test::WWW::Mechanize | 22:43 |
| SynQ | that probably deals with a lot of the stuff | 22:43 |
| SynQ | here is a longer version | 22:44 |
| SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d26f0b74d | 22:44 |
| SynQ | this is WebGUI 7.4.40 stable | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I was skewed with db and version | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | now I have 1 failure, caused most likely by a recent Matrix commit | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | the matrix test was failing for me, but i fixed that | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | looks like i haven't committed it yet though | 22:45 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: do I need any extra modules to run prove ? | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, if you can run testCodebase.pl, you can run prove | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | since testCodebase.pl calls prove | 22:46 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:46 |
| SynQ | but that prove is complaining | 22:46 |
| SynQ | multiple times | 22:47 |
| SynQ | about Apache2::RequestUtil | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, a change i was considering: http://gist.github.com/65965 | 22:48 |
| SynQ | of course that could mean that my modperl has not been compiled correctly | 22:48 |
| SynQ | or doesn't see all the needed stuff | 22:48 |
| @Haarg | to move loading the table from i18n->get to ->new | 22:48 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: if you look at the first few lines of http://webgui.pastebin.com/d26f0b74d what would you say was/is wrong? | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: These tests should never touch apache | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: you're missing modules | 22:53 |
| SynQ | what modules? | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Shop/Cart.......................................Can't locate Sub/Uplevel.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/t/Shop/../lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0 . /data/WebGUI/lib) at /data/WebGUI/t/Shop/../lib/WebGUI/TestException.pm line 7. | 22:53 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:53 |
| SynQ | that one I understand | 22:53 |
| SynQ | but line 4 and 5 for example | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: I would suspect the mysql that you're using, or the database setup. | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | mysql 5.0.67 works fine | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | (on FC10) | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | from Haarg's run, we know it works on the WRE | 22:55 |
| SynQ | I know | 22:55 |
| SynQ | but I'm doing the other end now | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | "other end"? | 22:55 |
| @Haarg | i'm testing without the wre | 22:55 |
| SynQ | trying to get a WRE with mysql 5.1 to get an OK on all tests | 22:55 |
| SynQ | so I'm using the tests the other way around | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, don't forget to commit :) | 22:56 |
| SynQ | I am checking if the WRE is complete by looking at all the tests and see what fails | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | at this point, I'd say the WRE is incomplete | 22:57 |
| SynQ | I know | 22:58 |
| SynQ | that is one of the main reasons I | 22:58 |
| SynQ | am working on it | 22:58 |
| SynQ | have a look at this: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/log/wrebuild/build.sh | 22:59 |
| @Haarg | i committed the matrix fix | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | you've been busy, SynQ | 22:59 |
| SynQ | am perlDreamer I am | 23:00 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, any thoughts on moving the table load to i18n->new ? | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I haven't reviewed the patch yet. I need to apply since my diff-ese is rusty | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Let me ask some questions | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | how does it benchmark vs the current i18n? | 23:02 |
| SynQ | should Test::WWW::Mechanize be in the WRE? | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | i haven't benched it yet | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | can you still use an explicit namespace in get? | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | yes | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | it is api compatible | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | let me apply the patch, then review it in more detail | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | it's just optimized for giving the namespace to ->new though | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is the most common case | 23:04 |
| SynQ | let me refrase that question | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: It is for developers only, so no, it should not. | 23:04 |
| SynQ | should all modules needed to complete all tests successfully be in the WRE? | 23:04 |
| SynQ | what I could do | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, what's the recommended way to apply a git diff using unix patch? | 23:05 |
| SynQ | is build a script that will allow developers to install all modules needed for development at once | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | should just be patch -p1 < file | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | from /data/WebGUI? | 23:06 |
| @Haarg | yes | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | lotso hunk rejection | 23:07 |
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| @Haarg | hrm | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | not sure why that would be | 23:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9581 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t: fix matrix test function | 23:11 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: sorry to keep asking you stuff about the tests, but I want to make real progress here. Could we try to dig out one of the failing tests to see what goes wrong? Do you have time for that now? | 00:09 |
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| @Haarg | SynQ, you can start by running one of the tests in verbose mode | 00:16 |
| SynQ | so prove -v ? | 00:16 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:16 |
| SynQ | one of the failing tests that is | 00:16 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:16 |
| SynQ | for example AssetExportHtml.t | 00:16 |
| @Haarg | also, are you resetting the db between runs? | 00:16 |
| @Haarg | because sometimes if tests crap out they leave behind stuff that messes with additional runs | 00:17 |
| SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4158901a | 00:17 |
| SynQ | I have | 00:18 |
| @Haarg | what webgui version? | 00:18 |
| SynQ | 7.6.11 | 00:18 |
| SynQ | with WRE version head | 00:18 |
| SynQ | does that make any sense to you? | 00:20 |
| SynQ | when I reset the DB once again to be absolutely sure about that it still gives the same error | 00:21 |
| SynQ | what table should that column 'filename' be in? | 00:21 |
| @Haarg | FileAsset | 00:22 |
| SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2da58705 | 00:24 |
| SynQ | could it be one of these bugs in DBD-mysql? http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Dist/Display.html?Name=DBD-mysql | 00:25 |
| @Haarg | can you pastebin your my.cnf | 00:26 |
| @Haarg | ? | 00:26 |
| SynQ | it is mysql 5.1.31 | 00:27 |
| SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d77e11221 | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | i'm wondering if it's some kind of sql strict mode problem | 00:28 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:29 |
| SynQ | good thought | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | can you load the mysql client and do show variables where Variable_name='sql_mode'; | 00:29 |
| SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d527fddc9 | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | same thing here | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | i can't easily get that version of mysql | 00:30 |
| SynQ | hmm | 00:30 |
| SynQ | I have to go walk the dog | 00:30 |
| SynQ | when I get back I'll create you a login on my development virtual machine | 00:31 |
| SynQ | so you can have a peek around if you like | 00:31 |
| SynQ | brb | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | has anyone googled "mysql 5.1 column problem" yet? | 00:32 |
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| SynQ | ok here I am back again | 00:59 |
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| SynQ | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/faqs-sql-modes.html | 01:03 |
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| SynQ | By default, no special modes are enabled. | 01:03 |
| SynQ | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/faqs-migration.html | 01:05 |
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| SynQ | here are all known issues with going from 5.0 to 5.1 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/upgrading-from-5-0.html | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | i looked through that but didn't see anything | 01:10 |
| SynQ | table_cache | 01:10 |
| SynQ | is in my.cnf | 01:10 |
| patspam | Radix_: ping | 01:10 |
| SynQ | has been renamed to table_open_cache | 01:11 |
| SynQ | but that doesn't change anything :) | 01:12 |
| SynQ | Haarg: perhaps something with 'utf8 columns, the full-text parser incorrectly'... | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, will you shoot me if I commit something? | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | nope | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | i'm waiting for preaction to commit something right now | 01:20 |
| SynQ | is there a way to see what sql statement is triggering the error in that test in http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4158901a | 01:21 |
| SynQ | so I can execute that by hand? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | if you turn on debug mode in the log.conf file, then yes | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll get ALL the SQL statements, though | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | not just the one | 01:23 |
| SynQ | ok | 01:23 |
| @Haarg | that fatal error thing is kind of broken though | 01:24 |
| SynQ | lets do that :P | 01:24 |
| SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4cfc111e | 01:25 |
| SynQ | that is the corresponding webgui.log for http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4158901a | 01:26 |
| patspam | Radix: *nudge* | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | there's no fatal error there though | 01:26 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:27 |
| SynQ | here is the part of the webgui.log that has the word 'filename' in it http://webgui.pastebin.com/d57932372 | 01:29 |
| SynQ | there is no mention of 'fatal' or 'error' in whatever case in the webgui.log file | 01:29 |
| SynQ | Haarg: what do you mean by 'that fatal error thing is kind of broken though'? | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, does ErrorHandler.pm line 223 make any sense to you? | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | why it is calling that on a global object instead of the request object it checks for? | 01:30 |
| @Haarg | the thing that is leading to the second error SynQ | 01:31 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | it looks like fatal does it a bit wierd | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | blaming | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | so when we have a mocked request it craps out in a different way | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | which means we don't get anything in the logs | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's very old code | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | rev 509 | 01:32 |
| SynQ | update FileAsset set templateId=?,cacheTimeout=?,filename=?,storageId=? where assetId=? and revisionDate=? | 01:32 |
| SynQ | in http://webgui.pastebin.com/d57932372 | 01:33 |
| SynQ | that doesn't look really good to me | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I see your point, why would it call it on a global object after checking for a local one. | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd change it. | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | ok | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | can you add something to the tests to mock content_type? | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | since i'm not too familiar with that code | 01:35 |
| @Haarg | SynQ, it seems like a real failure, and i'm wondering more why it works for me | 01:36 |
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| SynQ | ok | 01:37 |
| SynQ | if I read that log correctly it tries to execute this statement: update FileAsset set templateId="PBtmpl0000000000000024" ,cacheTimeout="3600", filename=null, storageId=null, where assetId="ExportTest000000000001" and revisionDate="1234913074"; | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | yes | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | and filename is not allowed to be nul | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | l | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | and apparently it doesn't fail for me | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | content_type, I'll get to it after this new template bug | 01:37 |
| @Haarg | i'll be back shortly | 01:38 |
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| SynQ | hm | 01:38 |
| SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d46ae45c0 | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | 'nother commit | 01:40 |
| SynQ | it looks to me that it doesn't fail when the where clause doesn't match to any rows | 01:40 |
| SynQ | could that be? | 01:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9583 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Change how the pagination controls are layed out, so they stay on the same line. | 01:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9584 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fixed: Collab groupToEditPost shouldn't be empty | 01:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: fixed: WebGUI::User->isInGroup has bad defaulting behavior | 01:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Mech4221 is back in the house! | 01:42 |
| Mech4221 | hey :-) | 01:43 |
| Mech4221 | ya miss me ? | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 01:43 |
| Mech4221 | the correct response is... | 01:43 |
| Mech4221 | "Yes, but our aim is getting better..." | 01:43 |
| Mech4221 | :-D | 01:43 |
| patspam | does Mech4221 === steve our PB designer overlord? | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:43 |
| patspam | a different steve? | 01:44 |
| Mech4221 | "designer Overlord"... | 01:44 |
| Mech4221 | that has a nice ring to it | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221 == steve, our new Silicon Valley integrator | 01:44 |
| Mech4221 | yes, to quote monty python, I'm something totally different | 01:44 |
| SynQ | a cruel rodent? | 01:45 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: that doesn't sound as cool as designer overlord though | 01:45 |
| patspam | heh but you quote monty python, so i like you already :) | 01:45 |
| Mech4221 | the spanish inquistion.. | 01:45 |
| SynQ | ni ni ni | 01:45 |
| Mech4221 | no wait - thats something no-one expects.. | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa! Mech4221. Didn't expect you in here. | 01:45 |
| Mech4221 | hehe | 01:45 |
| Mech4221 | ok - on a more serious note... | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, how's the fire situation down there? | 01:46 |
| Mech4221 | it appears profileField->new() can not be used to add new fields to the profile schema ? you must use create() for that ? | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds correct | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | create for non-existant items, new for existant items | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | noticed how I avoided using new again in there to avoid confusion? | 01:47 |
| Mech4221 | so what happens if I create an already existing item (eg re-run the script?) | 01:47 |
| patspam | perlDreamer: haven't been any urgent threat messages for any towns for a few days, so I think they're mostly "contained" now | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | good news | 01:47 |
| Mech4221 | the other lil probel was ProfileCategories::get() or something.. | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, I would expect it to throw an error, since some of the columns are unique | 01:48 |
| Mech4221 | its a class method thats supposed to return a list of all the profile categories | 01:48 |
| Mech4221 | however, it seems to check the 'visible' setting before doing this | 01:48 |
| Mech4221 | so I didn't really get all the categories | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be getCategories | 01:49 |
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| Mech4221 | ahh - ok.. well, I was attempting to create a helper function hideProfileCategories($session, @categoryList) | 01:49 |
| Mech4221 | but if you re-run it, it barfs as the 'visible' setting has already be turned to False | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like a problem with set, not with get | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, you should also know that this particular section of WebGUI code is devoid of tests, and it could really use it. | 01:50 |
| Mech4221 | Hmm - that would be another issue I think... | 01:51 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: if I give you the URL to my new and improved version of the WRE | 01:51 |
| Mech4221 | first lemme get the script skeleton working | 01:51 |
| SynQ | will you try it? | 01:51 |
| Mech4221 | then we can futz with tests (since I have no idea what the 'correct' behaviors would be anyway...) | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | try it? | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | like, how? | 01:51 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: try it - just a bite.. a small bite... bet ya like it... | 01:52 |
| SynQ | like 'mkdir /data ; cd /data ; wget url ; tar zxf url ; start wre' | 01:52 |
| SynQ | or a bit alike :) | 01:53 |
| SynQ | be carefull you don't explode though | 01:53 |
| SynQ | chocolate mints like WRE's tend to have that effect | 01:53 |
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| Mech4221 | I thought that was mentos ? | 01:53 |
| SynQ | if you are quoting monty python again it was an after dinner mint | 01:54 |
| SynQ | which is minty mousse with chocolate around it | 01:54 |
| Mech4221 | oh ? I don't think I've seen that... | 01:55 |
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| SynQ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v29QfOyuZ3Y | 01:55 |
| SynQ | here it is | 01:55 |
| Mech4221 | grr... kde 4.2 is _not_ impressing me - at least the debian packages aren't :-( | 01:56 |
| Mech4221 | SynQ: for some reason I can't view that video - must not have the correct codec or something | 01:57 |
| Mech4221 | just a black box | 01:57 |
| SynQ | Mech4221: don't you have some stale windows OS lying around? | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: is it compiled for Fedora? | 01:58 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: nope, for debian | 01:58 |
| Mech4221 | SynQ: I'm at home on the Lappie...so I'd have to re-boot.. | 01:58 |
| SynQ | Mech4221 it's worth it | 01:58 |
| * Mech4221 actually just left 'doze land - was playing lotro with gf | 01:58 | |
| Mech4221 | oh - Donna can play it.. | 01:59 |
| Mech4221 | hmm - she's still playing lotro | 01:59 |
| Mech4221 | I think we'll end up buying it | 02:00 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: what version of Fedora would you like it compiled for? | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | FC10 | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, wait a sec | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | if I install the WRE, I'll have to redo my whole dev setup | 02:02 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, do you have pending commits? | 02:05 |
| SynQ | ah | 02:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was going to fix 1 more bug | 02:05 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: of what consists your whole dev setup? | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's non-critical | 02:05 |
| @Haarg | i can wait, it's not a problem | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: It's CSS. It could take me a while. | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | read, I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm trying to fix the rendering | 02:06 |
| Mech4221 | SynQ: ok that was just nasty | 02:06 |
| Mech4221 | thanks for sharing :-P | 02:06 |
| SynQ | it was you who made me think of it | 02:06 |
| Mech4221 | SynQ: I made you think of that ?? Dam - good thing you can't actually _see_ me... | 02:07 |
| Mech4221 | no telling what that would me you think of :-P | 02:07 |
| SynQ | (12:52:06 AM) Mech4221: perlDreamer: try it - just a bite.. a small bite... bet ya like it... | 02:07 |
| SynQ | that was what triggered it | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no eggs, SynQ. | 02:07 |
| SynQ | in a bucket | 02:07 |
| SynQ | the eggs on top | 02:07 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: did you watch that youtube link I just put out there? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I always let the newbies shake them down for me | 02:08 |
| SynQ | perhaps you should | 02:08 |
| Mech4221 | just not before meal time.... | 02:08 |
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| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: so how should I get a list of _all_ profile categories ? | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, I _thought_ that WebGUI::ProfileCategory->getCategories($session) would do it | 02:09 |
| Mech4221 | I've tried getCategories($session) and getCategories($session, { 'visible' => 0 }) | 02:09 |
| Mech4221 | neither really seemed to work | 02:09 |
| Mech4221 | proble seems to be, that in the loop I do $curCat->set({'visible' => 0}) | 02:11 |
| Mech4221 | which causes that category _not_ to be listed on subsequent runs | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | want to paste some code? | 02:12 |
| Mech4221 | not really - but I will... | 02:12 |
| Mech4221 | no making fun of my Perl 'style' :-P | 02:12 |
| Mech4221 | I'm taking remedial perl classes to compensate | 02:12 |
| Mech4221 | :-D | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I promise to be nice | 02:13 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: snickering into your sleeve is acceptable, outright guffaws are not 'nice' ... | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | how about public humiliation through repeated examples of curious code? | 02:14 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9585 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:14 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: If the get credentials template is deleted, give an error message instead of | 02:14 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: silently dying and returning to the page from the cart interface. | 02:14 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: But of course... thats a time honored internet tradition... | 02:14 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: I'm not a barbarian, after all | 02:14 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m69612eda | 02:15 |
| * Mech4221 thinks perlDreamer had to go outside for a good laugh... | 02:17 | |
| +perlDreamer | no, reading | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | in that getCategories, you are looking for categories where visible=0 | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | if you really want them all, then remove the options hash | 02:18 |
| Mech4221 | err - yeah - I did it both ways... | 02:18 |
| Mech4221 | without the options hash, and with it | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I would try it again without, and please paste that new code as well as the output | 02:19 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4c1df97f | 02:21 |
| Mech4221 | code: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3027463d | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | =~ is a regular expression match. You probably really want to do string equality, which is "eq" | 02:22 |
| Mech4221 | ok - but the names match exactly, so both should work in this example | 02:22 |
| Mech4221 | I'll change it to eq though | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | are you using perl 5.10? | 02:23 |
| Mech4221 | perl -v says v5.8.8 build for x86_64 | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | try eq | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but please do try it from a fresh, empty db | 02:24 |
| Mech4221 | and its using the perl from the wre/prereqs | 02:24 |
| Mech4221 | on a fresh db it works, as nothing has set visible = 0 yet.... | 02:25 |
| Mech4221 | it only fails _after_ you set visible to false | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 7.5.40, or 7.6.something? | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, copyrights need updating core wide | 02:28 |
| Mech4221 | is there a version file somewhere ? | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | right at the top | 02:29 |
| Mech4221 | 7.6.7 beta | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | good to know | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you should upgrade, by the way | 02:30 |
| Mech4221 | yeah | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | so i can't see a friendly way to get fatal errors working with pseudorequest | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | i'm sure it's possible, but i'll have to look at it a while longer | 02:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, there's something else going on. | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I just wrote a quick test, and it passes | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m19ef4b49 | 02:37 |
| * Mech4221 looks | 02:38 | |
| +perlDreamer | hold on, there's a bug in the test | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | still passes, | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | here it is with the bug fixed: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5155e7a7 | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | get a list of all categories, and a list of the labels from each one | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | set the first one to not be visible | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | get the lists again, and then compare them | 02:39 |
| Mech4221 | hmm - wonder if caching has something to do with it... | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'll commit that new test after the release | 02:41 |
| @Haarg | ok | 02:44 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: umm - stupid question - but your sure categories[0] was visible to begin with, right ? | 02:44 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: otherwise, its a no-op ? | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | by your logic, if it was originally not-visible, it wouldn't be in the list to start with? | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | or is it only on modify, instead of value? | 02:44 |
| Mech4221 | true - but I was thinkging more like the phantom userid == 2 that was mentioned the other day | 02:45 |
| Mech4221 | might be a 'phantom' profilecategory that never shows up ? | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, PseudoRequest already does content_type | 02:45 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 02:46 |
| @Haarg | i noticed that after mentioning it :) | 02:46 |
| @Haarg | for fatal errors though, the cookie stuff runs into trouble | 02:46 |
| @Haarg | something i'll have to look at later | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, no cookies in PR yet | 02:46 |
| Mech4221 | perldreamer: where should I put this test/how would I run it ? | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | drop it into /data/WebGUI/t | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: where does fatal do cookies? | 02:48 |
| @Haarg | sendHeader | 02:49 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: how would I run it with a specific site config ? | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | env WEBGUI_CONFIG=mysite.conf perl profileCategory.t | 02:50 |
| Mech4221 | ahh - an env var .. cool... thanks! :-) | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the quickie way would be to mock Apache2::Cookie, and just fill it with null methods for now | 02:51 |
| @Haarg | that's probably the way to go | 02:52 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: well shit - it passes here too | 02:53 |
| * Mech4221 goes to beat the code a bit more | 02:54 | |
| SynQ | nite all | 02:56 |
| Mech4221 | g'nite | 02:56 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: and I suppose with the create vs new thing for profileFields, I should create a helper for that as well, right ? | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess you could. | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you mean a test? | 02:58 |
| Mech4221 | maybe createProfileField() that adds it to the db if it doesn't exist, or just sets the options if it does ? | 02:58 |
| Mech4221 | s/to the db/to the db (schema)/ | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe modifyProfileField, since it doesn't always create? | 02:58 |
| Mech4221 | ahh - I'll go read up on that one | 02:59 |
| Mech4221 | thanks | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, I was just suggesting a different name for your helper module, since it doesn't always create | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I have a functional Cookie mocker | 03:09 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: oh dam, I was thinking the work as already done for me :-P | 03:09 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, man | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | since viewing that video, you've been cursed | 03:10 |
| Mech4221 | at least me eyes stopped bleeding | 03:10 |
| Mech4221 | hmm - modifyProfileField seems odd when you'll mostly use it for creating new ones.. | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, one of the problems with calling fatal is that it wants to jump out of the WEBGUI_FATAL loop | 03:11 |
| Mech4221 | but createOrModifyProfileField is a mouthful :-P | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and without that label, perl still dies | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's almost catch-22 | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | unless there's a better/different way to return to the correct point | 03:11 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: I think I found ma problem... | 03:14 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: a bunch of the fields in userProfileCategory have been set to 'undefined' | 03:14 |
| +perlDreamer | ma problem == pa sipping moonshine behind the shed? | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | how many is a bunch? | 03:15 |
| Mech4221 | perhaps because I called 'set()' without a full options hash ? (eg { 'visible' => 0 } ) | 03:15 |
| Mech4221 | 2 is a bunch | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 03:15 |
| Mech4221 | ma problem == pa sipping blondes behind the shed ?? :-P | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 2 fields in 1 profileCategory? | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | or 2 categories? | 03:16 |
| Mech4221 | for the ones I 'updated'.. | 03:16 |
| Mech4221 | both 'label' and 'shortLabel' are now undefined | 03:16 |
| Mech4221 | (not sure if its 'undefined' or just an unknown values ) | 03:16 |
| Mech4221 | the other categories shwo stuff about wG::I18n::get() | 03:17 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, the WEBGUI_FATAL isn't a big deal though | 03:17 |
| @Haarg | because the whole point of that is to kill the process | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, better give it all the options, and modify the ones you wish | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | not if you're testing :) | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but in general, you're right | 03:17 |
| @Haarg | well, it's ok for tests i think | 03:18 |
| @Haarg | the main problem is that it dies before it gets to that | 03:18 |
| @Haarg | so the proper fatal stuff doesn't happen | 03:18 |
| @Haarg | fatal errors are horrible in general though | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a stub fatal test, let me grab the output, check it quickly, then I'll commit this | 03:18 |
| @Haarg | can't change that for now those | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | then the test will be able to run clean | 03:19 |
| * perlDreamer takes a dinner break | 03:25 | |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: we just had salad with catalina dressing... | 03:25 |
| Mech4221 | I'm not much for salad - but it was tasty :-) | 03:25 |
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| Mech4221 | Umm - is it still in favor to use bare-words as hash indexes in current perl style ? | 03:46 |
| Mech4221 | I thought there was a quote-nazi movement to force quotes around text hash keys ? | 03:47 |
| Mech4221 | (eg $props->{visible} = 0 vs $props->{'visible'} = 0 - which is the 'preferred' style ? ) | 03:47 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: yes, it appears only set()'ing a partial array is a bad thing... | 03:49 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: I changed it to read-modify-save and it fixed the issue | 03:49 |
| Mech4221 | ( eg $foo = $cat->get(); $foo->{visible} = 0 ; $cat->set($foo) ) | 03:50 |
| Mech4221 | that function is probably mis-named as it doesn't set fields... | 03:51 |
| Mech4221 | it replaces entire property collections | 03:51 |
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| Mech4221 | god, I'd forgotten how much I loved Perls 'trailing conditional' stuff ( 'print foo unless....') | 03:55 |
| Mech4221 | looks so pretty | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech4221, we often don't quote hash keys, so do what you wish | 04:00 |
| Mech4221 | yeah - I actually prefer not too | 04:01 |
| Mech4221 | but I thought that was like sooo 1990s, dude | 04:01 |
| Mech4221 | :-D | 04:01 |
| * Mech4221 speaks valley | 04:01 | |
| Mech4221 | btw - the defaults in set() for ProfileField and ProfileCategory mean you need to pass in a _full_ props array, and not just the fields to be updated (as the docs say) | 04:03 |
| Mech4221 | we should prolly update the POD to state this ? | 04:03 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, totally | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | like, gag me with a lazy iterator | 04:05 |
| Mech4221 | ROFL | 04:05 |
| Mech4221 | now thats one I haven't heard before.... | 04:05 |
| Mech4221 | and I work with an L.A. media type | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, safe to commit, or are you in the releasing way? | 04:06 |
| Mech4221 | ProfileField.pm seems to be lacking a method to check if a field dupes an existing field name... | 04:06 |
| Mech4221 | but there is like 2 lines of sql in create() that could be pulled out to a method for this | 04:07 |
| Mech4221 | which might be a useful change | 04:07 |
| +perlDreamer | RFEs with patches always welcome :) | 04:07 |
| Mech4221 | oh god.. the RFE would be more then the change | 04:08 |
| Mech4221 | screw it, I'll just dupe the sql in my skeleton :-P | 04:08 |
| Mech4221 | create() returns undef in too many cases anyway - duplicate field name, reserved fieldname, and probably on some db fails as well | 04:09 |
| Mech4221 | I need to know if its a dupe, so I can work around it | 04:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I know it seems easier now, but I can tell you from long, painful experience that WHEN the API changes, you'll be glad that you stayed inside it. | 04:10 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: a comment like that is why I'm writing this silly skeleton in the first place... | 04:10 |
| Mech4221 | I was quite happy just dumping the DB every 20 minutes | 04:11 |
| Mech4221 | but noooo.... perldreamer had to go and say "do it the right way".... | 04:11 |
| Mech4221 | and shame me into it :-P | 04:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a failing of mine | 04:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I also joust with windmills | 04:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but I never, ever, watch videos from SynQ | 04:11 |
| Mech4221 | is that better or worse then tilting at them ? | 04:11 |
| Mech4221 | LOL - smart man | 04:12 |
| Mech4221 | so what should I call this createOrModifyProfileFieldProperties() ? | 04:12 |
| Mech4221 | umm - supacalafraguliciousexpaladoshous ? | 04:12 |
| +perlDreamer | supercalagragalisticexpedialadocious | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that doesn't look any better than the other 2 | 04:13 |
| Mech4221 | updateProfileField() - Creates a ProfileField (if necessary) and sets the properties passed in props | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm digging it | 04:14 |
| Mech4221 | cool - Done... | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose you could drag SnowWrite in here to help me with some CSS, could you? | 04:14 |
| Mech4221 | *Shhhck, click* Next - we have a proposal for 9 bits in a byte ... | 04:15 |
| Mech4221 | if programmers ran the world ... Nextel | 04:15 |
| Mech4221 | uhh - she's playing dress up in lotro at the moment... lemme nab her | 04:15 |
| Mech4221 | whatcha need ? | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a paragraph with CSS style set to text-align: center. There are two spans inside, and I want them to go the right | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should just change the paragraph tag... | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | style | 04:16 |
| Mech4221 | can you paste the markup/css ? | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so, it's WebGUI Account code | 04:17 |
| Mech4221 | oh - so is it in my /data/WebGui somewhere then ? | 04:17 |
| +perlDreamer | css: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7b3473c8 | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but it takes a bit of setup to duplicate this issue | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I gotta go, be back in 30 | 04:18 |
| Mech4221 | ok | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and content: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3178e013 | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, it was a short 30 | 04:26 |
| Mech4221 | LOL | 04:27 |
| Mech4221 | which spans are we talking about | 04:28 |
| Mech4221 | ? | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | look for class names around WGProfile_messagerpp | 04:29 |
| Mech4221 | ok | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like those two spans to be on the write | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 04:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was trying to make the spans be right aligned, instead of the thing was containing them | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | basically, I was trying to push the car, instead of starting the engine | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's quite embarassing to know so much about WebGUI, but to be an absolute idiot with it comes to HTML, CSS and Javascript | 04:45 |
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| metanil | any idea how to get both check and unchecked value from Form::CheckList object after submitting the form.?? ( i am just getting an array of checked item using form->process) | 04:55 |
| Mech4221 | thats an html limitation I believe... | 04:57 |
| Mech4221 | you don't get unchecked boxes back from the client | 04:57 |
| Mech4221 | anyway, you compare the full options list to the list of checked options you got back | 04:57 |
| Mech4221 | any missing elements are the 'unchecked options' | 04:57 |
| metanil | :) | 04:59 |
| metanil | seems like i have to write extra code for it then.. | 04:59 |
| Mech4221 | wG might have something already - I wouldn't know (yet :-) ) | 05:00 |
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| metanil | may be.. but i couldn't find it. | 05:01 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9586 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix a pagination layout issue with the Account/Contributions screen | 05:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9587 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileCategory.pm: ProfileCategory->set really wants ALL the options. Document that in POD. | 05:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9588 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 05:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Make WebGUI::PseudoRequest work with fatals. Cookies are now mocked and | 05:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tied off inside that package. ErrorHandler uses the session request object, | 05:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: instead of RequestUtil. | 05:09 |
| patspam | heh, DeleteExpiredSessions is removing expired sessions at about 100 sessions per second.. which means that in another hour my userSessions table will be empty! | 05:11 |
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| Mech4221 | Wow!! | 05:18 |
| Mech4221 | template monster offers to customize their designs for CMS systems... | 05:18 |
| Mech4221 | so one of my clients just requested the port a design to wG - and it should be done in 5 days! | 05:19 |
| Mech4221 | if they do a good job, this means that potentially _any_ template monster template could be used with wG | 05:19 |
| Mech4221 | :-D | 05:19 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9589 /WebGUI/ (17 files in 8 dirs): use char instead of varchar | 05:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9590 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.11-7.6.12.pl: convert long varchars in Survey to text | 05:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9591 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm: fix compile time warning | 05:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9592 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: update gotchas for stable release | 05:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9593 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.12 release | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | template monster? | 05:37 |
| Mech4221 | yeah - www.templatemonster.com or www.template-monster.com | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI needs templates like Mars needs women! | 05:39 |
| Mech4221 | ok - now I think I've earned some gaming time :-) | 05:41 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: there was something I was supposed to talk to you about | 05:41 |
| Mech4221 | but I forget what | 05:41 |
| Mech4221 | oh! and on a related note - I need to talk to someone regarding the new 'story manager' stuff | 05:42 |
| Mech4221 | but that can wait till tommorrow | 05:42 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: How does this look ? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7363a3fe | 05:44 |
| Mech4221 | oh ! that was it ... | 05:44 |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: We should probably have a helper to lookup profileCategories by name ... | 05:44 |
| Mech4221 | looking them up by Id is a pain | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | are fieldNames guaranteed to be unique? | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 06:02 |
| Mech4221 | Property fieldNames are supposed to be unique | 06:45 |
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| Mech4221 | its enforced in create() but I don't know if there's any other paths | 06:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's also in the db. fieldNames are primary keys, which have to be unique | 06:51 |
| Mech4221 | ah cool - I hadn't looked at that | 06:51 |
| * patspam wonders why there isn't an ^uploads(); macro..? | 06:55 | |
| Mech4221 | perlDreamer: did the updateProfileField() look ok ? | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:00 |
| Mech4221 | cool - in that case, I'm gonna go play some games | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, to go with ^Extras() and ^/; ? | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | finding uploads in there is hard | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that's why there is FileUrl and others | 07:00 |
| Mech4221 | tommorrow I need to add a hideProfileField() type helper | 07:00 |
| Mech4221 | and I think that should do it - add/hide ProfileCategories, add/hide ProfileFields, | 07:01 |
| Mech4221 | and add settings | 07:01 |
| Mech4221 | that should be a good start for a skeleton | 07:01 |
| patspam | perlDreamer, I'm thinking about custom design files (*.js, *.css and the like).. presumably they should live in /uploads too since they're site specific | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, but they can be accessed via asset proxy, or via FileUrl macro | 07:02 |
| patspam | what if you upload them outside of wg? | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and put them into the uploads area yourself? | 07:04 |
| patspam | yeah | 07:04 |
| patspam | is that naughty? | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I won't tell if you won't. | 07:05 |
| patspam | heh | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep getting bit by circumventing the API | 07:05 |
| patspam | i like doing it that way because then your designer can edit real files, locally or remotely, all in one folder | 07:05 |
| patspam | and you can keep your static files under version control | 07:05 |
| Mech4221 | I like to work that way as well... | 07:06 |
| Mech4221 | I'll have to look at that more | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as wG ignores your version control dot files and directories, I guess it's okay | 07:07 |
| Mech4221 | Hg is good for that - only a single .dir | 07:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9594 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.12-stable: Release 7.6.12-stable | 07:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9595 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.23 dev | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | .23? | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | all right! | 07:08 |
| @Haarg | heh | 07:10 |
| @Haarg | oop | 07:10 |
| Mech4221 | ok - I'm gonna go play.. | 07:11 |
| Mech4221 | see everyone tommorrow | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | later, Mech42*1 | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: heard any more rumors of Shop bugs? | 07:11 |
| @Haarg | nothing comes to mind | 07:12 |
| @Haarg | thank you again for the test work. really nice having everything passing. | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I do still owe you the standalone assets for AssetExportHtml | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm glad to have it passing, too | 07:14 |
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| estiven | Hi guys we need to create a robot.txt file on the webgui site.... | 16:07 |
| estiven | what is the best way to do that? | 16:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | use a snippet | 16:07 |
| estiven | mm, ok and the robot.txt can be place in the root / ? | 16:08 |
| +BartJol | sure | 16:08 |
| estiven | ok, perfect, i try it | 16:08 |
| estiven | thanks | 16:08 |
| +BartJol | or do uou mean on the server? | 16:08 |
| +BartJol | that would be inconvenient | 16:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | you | 16:09 |
| estiven | i need, wen the googlebot get the www.mysite.com/robots.txt.. | 16:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can place the robots.tx anywhere | 16:09 |
| estiven | get my robots.txt file | 16:09 |
| estiven | mm | 16:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | just make sure you fill in robots.txt inthe url field | 16:10 |
| estiven | can i place the robots.txt in /home and the googlebot find it...? | 16:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 16:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | since the googlebot doesn't care wher you put your content | 16:11 |
| estiven | mm, ok | 16:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | as long as it can find it through yoursite.com/robots.txt | 16:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | understand? | 16:11 |
| estiven | yes | 16:12 |
| estiven | perfect | 16:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, everyone! | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey pd! | 17:46 |
| @Haarg | morning | 17:46 |
| +BartJol | hee perlDreamer, it seems you know everything about taxes | 17:46 |
| +BartJol | and goodmorning | 17:47 |
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| +BartJol | taxMeister: you know whether you can use 2 taxrates in 1 region, and none outside of those?\ | 17:48 |
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| +taxMeister | BartJol, what defines the region? Is it a city name, state name, postal code...? | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | a country | 17:49 |
| +taxMeister | but there are two rates? | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | indeed 6 and 19% | 17:50 |
| +taxMeister | let me run a quick test. However, you could always add them together yourself and enter them in that way. | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | first for needed stuff like bread (not computers starngely enough), and 19% for luxury stuff | 17:51 |
| +taxMeister | oh, to do that, I think you have to do it in the Product | 17:51 |
| +taxMeister | not the tax table | 17:51 |
| +taxMeister | since the tax table doesn't care about the type of stuff sold | 17:51 |
| +BartJol | well, but the problem is that outside of the netherlands in this instance, you don't have to pay tax | 17:52 |
| +BartJol | and an override is valid for all regions | 17:52 |
| +taxMeister | then I think we have a problem | 17:52 |
| +BartJol | :) | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | but you understand what I wanna do? | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | off course | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | it's taxMeister | 17:53 |
| +taxMeister | I do now :) | 17:53 |
| +BartJol | but generally speaking, I just have a problem | 17:54 |
| +BartJol | or challenge if you really want to express yourself in such awfull terms | 17:54 |
| +taxMeister | The challenge is to get taxMeister to convince perlDreamer to convince rizen to make this change to the tax system, to make SynQ happy? :) | 17:55 |
| +BartJol | not only SynQ, also me and other Dutch WebGUI shop users | 17:55 |
| +taxMeister | let's try and think of a workaround for now, while I try and think of a way to make it work the best way | 17:56 |
| +taxMeister | Seems the problem is when you have a Shop that tries to sell both needed and unneeded items, which require the dual tax rates | 17:56 |
| +taxMeister | is this a common issue? | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | well at the moment, my best guess is to set the region tax rate for the netherlands to 19 (since most produc ts use that) | 17:57 |
| +taxMeister | I know you mentioned bread, what other things are "necessary"? | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | in the netherlands it is | 17:57 |
| +BartJol | I think books | 17:57 |
| +taxMeister | that's a problem | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | all food actually, except alcohol | 17:59 |
| +taxMeister | yes, but who buys food online? | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | nerds | 17:59 |
| +BartJol | like ordering pizza | 17:59 |
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| +BartJol | but mu "solution" was, that for a site, you will mainly have 1 percentage that is more common | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | so you set that 1 to the region tax | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | and the other one, you define it in the products | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | you still have the problem | 18:01 |
| +BartJol | but only for a part of the products | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | which is not great | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | but better than nothing | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | mmm, maybe | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | it is possible with shipping methods | 18:03 |
| +taxMeister | to have two rates? | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | if you have a "foreign" shipping method | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | and for that, you get a discount on the price | 18:03 |
| +BartJol | mmm, the client has to choose the shipping method | 18:04 |
| +taxMeister | yeah, that's a problem | 18:04 |
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| +BartJol | but that should be programmable | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Not necessarily | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | to cut that out | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | should | 18:04 |
| +BartJol | make it possible! ;) | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I think what we really need is a second column, for luxury tax | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | which is optional off course | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | but where whould an shop admin be able to set it? in the product? | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | No, since it's site wide, it would be in the product. | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, tax table | 18:08 |
| +BartJol | no you have to apply it to products as well | 18:08 |
| +BartJol | so a | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | right, the product has to be labeled "luxurious", or "necessary" | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | if($taxmethods>1) { give the shop admin an opprortunity to choose a tax rate for this product in that region} | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | no, that's not correct | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | if($region->taxmethods>1) | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but what if I live in a region with no luxury tax, and I sell into a region with 1? | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | well that depends if you base it on the selling or buting region... | 18:11 |
| +BartJol | dunno what's the case right now | 18:11 |
| +BartJol | mmm, this option isn't easy | 18:12 |
| +BartJol | what happens with your case in the US? do you pay your rate or their rate between regions? | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I think that's why it has to be in the tax table, and then the product needs to know if it is luxurious or not | 18:13 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, here's how that works. It's very funny | 18:13 |
| +BartJol | do you have a song with it? | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | If I sell to someone in my region, I have to collect and submit all taxes. | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | An Ode to Out of Region Taxes | 18:13 |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Sung by a troop of dancers with very dull axes | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | They swung and they chopped | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | They danced and they bopped | 18:14 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I suspect I'm gonna need beer with that, just to survive | 18:14 |
| +BartJol | good btb | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | If I sell to someone out of region, then either the seller or the buyer can submit taxes. | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | so what happens is that none of the stores do it | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and none of the buyers do it, either | 18:15 |
| +BartJol | ah, so the government is exploited at every interregional sell | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and since they are wary of Internet oversight, or internet wide taxing | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | the system continues to exist | 18:16 |
| +BartJol | they should just have 1 country wide rate | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | or maybe 2, one for needed, 1 for luxury | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | We are not as enlightened as the Dutch | 18:17 |
| +BartJol | what's obama's email? | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | http://twitter.com/BarackObama | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.barackobama.com/ | 18:18 |
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| +BartJol | Dear Mr Obama, | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | could you please fix anly 2 taxrates in the USA, 1 for needed goods and 1 for luxury. This will force mr J.T. Smith to change his great CMS WebGUI to something compatible with European tax systems and that would make my work a lot easier. | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | Your dear dutchie | 18:20 |
| +BartJol | Bart | 18:20 |
| @tavisto | big girly man bart | 18:21 |
| @tavisto | Obama rejects your request and instead redistributes any wealth you may have acquired through hard work. Love, Obama. | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | you have a comic for me? | 18:21 |
| @tavisto | no, but I may have to create one | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | Looking forward to that | 18:22 |
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| +BartJol | but that Obama replies quickly! | 18:24 |
| @tavisto | I actually wrote an email to President Obama last week on behalf of JT and Plain Black. However, I wasn't able to send it yet because the whitehouse.gov website limits messages to 500 characters or less. So I have to snail mail it to him now.. *sigh* Imposing a 500 character limit on the white house's online contact form pretty much prevents most letters from getting to his team electronically. Instead, you're forced to do it the old f | 18:26 |
| +BartJol | this is nice page on VAT systems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax#VAT_systems | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:28 |
| @frodwith | tavisto: There's been some really depressing coverage of how behind the times technologically the whole White House is. I don't know if it's a function of the last administration or what, but Obama and his team have expressed annoyance. | 18:30 |
| @tavisto | maybe frodwith, but the new whitehouse website is brand new so I doubt this is something he inherited. Although I don't know if there was a previous limitation of 500 characters on the old site. | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | is the problem the technology or the capabilty of the president to read longer messages? | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | or was that a bush thing and shamefully not updated? | 18:32 |
| @frodwith | Yeah, I don't know. It's definitely stupid though. | 18:33 |
| @tavisto | I've seen articles that state the white house was way behind the times, but then I've also seen articles talking about how a year ago there were massive technology upgrades in the white house. | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: I also see three different rates applied | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | in Finland for instance | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | I don't think the 0 percentage can form a problem | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | an extra problem | 18:34 |
| +BartJol | we have that here too, for stamps | 18:34 |
| +BartJol | so it will depend on how far you wanna go | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | mmm, and if a company has more vendors in different countries, the vendors location also should be taken into account | 18:50 |
| +BartJol | mmm well, it's the end of the day for me | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | for 0, I recommend that you override in the Product | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | indeed | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | that doesn't make a difference | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | so that takes us back to 2 | 18:51 |
| +BartJol | have you seen that table in my link? | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | 2 tax rates is an afternoon's work or so | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I'm afraid to look | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | safer to be ignorant | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | right you are | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | but | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | well | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | it depends on how many countries should be able to use it | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | and what countries | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | it might be an idea to study that table | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | and then decide how far to satisfy the inferior beings (ie non-USA) | 18:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I will look. | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | However, could you please post a bug about this? It may get changed to an RFE, but then it's tracked in the system and will be fixed at some point. | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | just let me know what your conclusions are before you begin hacking | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | here it is http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9762 | 19:00 |
| +BartJol | but I've gotta go to a meeting | 19:00 |
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| +cap10morgan | I'm having an issue where Net::SMTP::datasend chokes on Wide chars when using WebGUI::Mail::Send. How does the DataForm protect against this, since people filling out those forms can type in any wide chars they want? | 21:04 |
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| @Haarg | cap10morgan, depends on the version. WebGUI::Mail::Send has code to deal with wide characters. i don't remember when that was added though. | 21:09 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: oh i see. I'm running a pretty recent 7.5.3x version. | 21:09 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll check the svn history on that file though, thanks for the pointer | 21:09 |
| @Haarg | there have been various problems with character encoding in the past. i'm pretty sure they are all fixed now though. | 21:10 |
| * perlDreamer readies a Bullwinkle quote | 21:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | "This time fer sure!" | 21:13 |
| +cap10morgan | ah ha! | 21:13 |
| +cap10morgan | it looks like Mail::Send encodes for utf8 when you call addText or addHtmlRaw | 21:14 |
| +cap10morgan | but i'm calling addHtml | 21:14 |
| +cap10morgan | any reason that one doesn't do the utf8 encoding? | 21:14 |
| @Haarg | it calls addHtmlRaw though | 21:14 |
| +cap10morgan | d'oh. yep, sure enough. i should read the whole sub first. :) | 21:15 |
| +cap10morgan | well now i'm doubly confused then | 21:16 |
| @Haarg | how are you using it? | 21:16 |
| +cap10morgan | custom asset similar to DataForm | 21:16 |
| @Haarg | ah | 21:16 |
| +cap10morgan | it's sending e-mail that contains some of the results of the posted form | 21:16 |
| +cap10morgan | but when someone types in non-ascii, it shuts the whole thing down | 21:17 |
| +cap10morgan | Net::Cmd starts throwing exceptions on wide characters | 21:17 |
| @Haarg | what version of webgui exactly? | 21:17 |
| +cap10morgan | looks like we're on 7.5.35 currently | 21:17 |
| @Haarg | are you sure it's because of typing in non-ascii? | 21:19 |
| @Haarg | could it be tied to the user's name? | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | the DataForm is behaving very strangely. | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I built a dataform with two fields, and it worked fine | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | then I turned on Email data | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and, on the home page, the input forms all stop working | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | on the page with just the DataForm asset, (by url), it works fine. | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | with admin mode turned off, it works fine | 21:32 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: these are all submissions from non-logged in users | 21:34 |
| +cap10morgan | so just Visitor | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | turn email data on and off doesn't matter, the edit form redirects to the URL itself | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | any text box is disabled, it's not just the DataForm. | 21:41 |
| juan1 | i had some sites in 75.34 and now i updated to 7.6, in the template we had two blocks and in the extra head block does appear, it was eliminated in this version, how can i activated it? | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | juan1, in 7.6 the head block was removed from the Template. For all but style templates, information was merged into Extra Head Tags. This was documented in the gotchas.txt file | 22:04 |
| juan1 | i was checking in the extra head tags and appears a message that says "none" | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | right, extra head tags for style are not rendered | 22:08 |
| juan1 | for example if i had a google analytics code, a java script, etc in the extra head block used in the style template, all these code desappear? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that's correct. | 22:13 |
| juan1 | terrible | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | juan1: that's why you should 1) always have good backups, and 2) always read the gotchas.txt file before upgrading | 22:14 |
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| +cap10morgan | do you all think maybe we should utf8 encode _after_ we call MIME::Entity::stringify? | 23:10 |
| +cap10morgan | in WebGUI::Mail::Send | 23:10 |
| @Haarg | i don't believe so | 23:15 |
| +cap10morgan | i think maybe people are putting wide chars into their email addresses which goes into the header, or maybe some values that go into the subject line | 23:15 |
| +cap10morgan | but probably that's my problem, huh? | 23:15 |
| +cap10morgan | since i bet that's not MIME-compliant | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | well, the code should probably be adjusted to handle that | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | subject for example | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | is encoded to handle wide chars | 23:15 |
| +cap10morgan | oh, ok | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | but email are not | 23:16 |
| @Haarg | they probably should be | 23:16 |
| +cap10morgan | what if i added a regexp to check for wide chars in the email addresses (to, cc, bcc, from) and if it finds any it doesn't try to send? | 23:16 |
| +cap10morgan | they'd be invalid, right? | 23:17 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure | 23:17 |
| @Haarg | the email standard is pretty loose | 23:17 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm... | 23:17 |
| +cap10morgan | maybe i'll just check for it before i pass it off to wG::Mail::Send | 23:18 |
| +cap10morgan | in my code | 23:19 |
| juan1 | when i upgrade from 7.4.40 to 7.5 stable and the process from converting data is executed, what happens if during that process the character_set_connection is latin1? Could have problems with the data if after that i change the character_set_connection to utf8? | 23:19 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: or would it hurt anything to call a MIME-Q encode on those headers like it already does for subject? | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | that conversion tries to detect what the connection character set was previous to the conversion | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | i think it should do that cap10morgan | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | and it uses that previous character set to do the conversion | 23:21 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, well i'm going to give it a try here and i'll let you know what happens | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | afterward, webgui sets the connection to be utf8 all the time anyway | 23:21 |
| +cap10morgan | i guess we can pass the buck to the relaying MTA on whether or not it's a valid address :) | 23:23 |
| juan1 | but if the data was converted using latin1, could have problems with the data? | 23:24 |
| @Haarg | there are ways the conversion can fail, but not because of the connection being latin1 in particular | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | the data was being stored incorrectly for all connection character sets in 7.4 | 23:28 |
| @Haarg | what the connection set is when doing the conversion doesn't have any impact | 23:28 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: it appears to have worked like a charm here. shall i commit to svn? | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | feel free | 23:30 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, will do | 23:30 |
| juan1 | i have upgraded to 7.6 and i found problems in CS, for example when i try to enter some text in the summary like accents, etc, the data appears erroneos | 23:35 |
| juan1 | what will be the problem? | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | you are using 7.6 unmodified? | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | could you post your database structure to pastebin? | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | mysqldump -uroot -p www_example_com --no-data -r'output.sql' | 23:37 |
| juan1 | yes i am using 7.6 stable | 23:41 |
| juan1 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7c1fc9dd | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | nothing stands out that would effect cs a synopsis | 23:53 |
| juan1 | mmmm | 23:54 |
| juan1 | that's strange | 23:57 |
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| juan1 | really i don't know what to do? | 00:01 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: cap10morgan * r9600 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm: added more MIME encoding of mail headers in case wide chars sneak in there | 00:23 |
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| @Haarg | juan1, is this something you can duplicate on a demo site? | 00:36 |
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| patspam | perlDreamer: is this a fair assessment? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5f04415e | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and I envision two possible responses | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | some people will say that this is what extras was intended for | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | since you can also layer stuff into extras | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm guessing that some will say that this is the fabled WebGUI FileSystem is for | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but I don't know that you can use version control on it | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but, there's also uploads/temp | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | so why not uploads/static ? | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | which would necessitate the need for an Uploads macro | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, why wouldn't you use passthru URLs to a purely static area, with version control? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | say, /data/domains/mysite.tld/www/vc | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and then in apache you tell it how to find /vc, as well as to forbid access to any version control dot directories. | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, I'm sorry. I shouldn't shoot down your ideas like that, based on what I _think_ people are going to do. | 02:15 |
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| juan1 | in the 7.5. i created a folder inside the macro's folder. In it i put some macros and i am calling them like this ^myfolder::mymacro(); | 02:31 |
| juan1 | now in 7.6 i have an error calling in the same way | 02:32 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9601 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/www/extras/slidePanel/slidePanel.css: Fixed IE6 admin bar problem | 02:44 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9602 /WebGUI/www/extras/macro/AdminBar/slidePanel.css: Fixed the Admin Bar problem | 02:45 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9603 /WebGUI/www/extras/macro/AdminBar/slidePanel.css: Continued attempts at fixing the admin bar | 02:45 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9604 /WebGUI/www/extras/macro/AdminBar/slidePanel.css: Continuing to attempt to fix the admin bar | 02:45 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9605 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a hash lookup into a C::IO object in the DataForm, which isn't a hash. | 02:45 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: tabitha * r9606 /WebGUI/www/extras/macro/AdminBar/slidePanel.css: Admin Bar fixing | 03:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9607 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 09:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add a missing template variable, which prevented users from deleting | 09:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: a DataForm entry when viewing that entry. | 09:31 |
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| SynQ2 | yesss! | 15:43 |
| SynQ2 | victory | 15:43 |
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| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2 : preaction im writing a module that checks session info to determine if the client is a human user or a robot/spider/etc | 16:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: cool | 16:54 |
| daviddelikat | and I am writing a new module and id like some ideas as to where it best fits in the WG namespace | 16:54 |
| daviddelikat | im thinking perhaps under session? | 16:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: sounds like a probable place, but you'd want to hear from preaction or haarg on that one. | 17:01 |
| daviddelikat | thanks, I'll check with them, | 17:03 |
| daviddelikat | I'm having PC trouble and have to go offline for a minute | 17:03 |
| daviddelikat | gotta love M$ | 17:03 |
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| SynQ2 | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9767 | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | I was right | 17:05 |
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| SynQ2 | it was/is a bug | 17:05 |
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| SynQ2 | Bad Gateway | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | proxy error! | 17:18 |
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| SynQ2 | ah | 17:29 |
| SynQ2 | my man JT | 17:29 |
| SynQ2 | how is life? | 17:30 |
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| @rizen | fine other than i'm going to murder some fools | 17:30 |
| @rizen | how's life for you? | 17:30 |
| SynQ2 | murder some fools :) | 17:30 |
| SynQ2 | life is great | 17:30 |
| SynQ2 | I have been hacking away at the WRE | 17:31 |
| SynQ2 | and it's getting somewhere | 17:31 |
| @rizen | nice, what have you been doing with the WRE? | 17:31 |
| SynQ2 | updating all sources all perl modules | 17:31 |
| SynQ2 | fixing some bugs in configuration | 17:31 |
| SynQ2 | have a look at .. | 17:32 |
| SynQ2 | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/log/wrebuild/ | 17:32 |
| SynQ2 | I hope you are pleased with that | 17:32 |
| @rizen | wow you have been very busy | 17:32 |
| SynQ2 | it should compile out of the box on your darwin box | 17:33 |
| SynQ2 | I have spent about 40 hours on it since saturday | 17:33 |
| @rizen | holy crap dood | 17:33 |
| @rizen | very nice | 17:33 |
| @rizen | i've been dealing with business growth issues so haven't touched the wre since december | 17:33 |
| SynQ2 | there are a few things in the testsuite though | 17:33 |
| SynQ2 | mysql 5.1 is a bit more picky on 'NULL' fields | 17:34 |
| SynQ2 | just posted a bug on that | 17:34 |
| SynQ2 | but overall it does quite a good job | 17:34 |
| SynQ2 | if I go on for a few more days you could even consider releasing this as WRE 1.0.0 | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | not only the test suite breaks on mysql 5.1 btw | 17:35 |
| SynQ2 | I manually dug out all possible updates to perl modules | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | adding a file asset will also fail | 17:35 |
| SynQ2 | indeed so | 17:35 |
| @rizen | i can't release it as 1.0 until i can get it to compile cleanly on some 64-bit systems | 17:35 |
| SynQ2 | ah | 17:35 |
| @rizen | that's my entire goal for 1.0 | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | the problem is that when adding an asset only the core columns (assetId/revisionDate) are supplied in the insert statement | 17:36 |
| SynQ2 | then I have some more work to do | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | things like filename are set later on in ppffp | 17:36 |
| SynQ2 | I too want to have it compile on 64 bit | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if filename cannot be null, the thing borks on the first asset statement | 17:37 |
| SynQ2 | rizen: are you planning to spend time on that any time soon? | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | apparently mysql 5.0 fills columns that are not nullable with an empty string if they are not passed in the query | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | whereas 5.1 tries to set those to NULL | 17:38 |
| @rizen | i'd love to, but i'm still dealing with growth issues | 17:38 |
| @rizen | so probably not until the end of the month | 17:38 |
| SynQ2 | right | 17:38 |
| SynQ2 | then I'll just keep going at it, ok? | 17:38 |
| SynQ2 | I ordered a git book last weekend | 17:39 |
| SynQ2 | so I'll be reading up on that too | 17:39 |
| @rizen | great | 17:39 |
| SynQ2 | is Net::SMTP::Server needed for WebGUI? | 17:39 |
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| SynQ2 | or just for the tests? | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is there an easy way to dump the rating form elems and related 'smileys' from assets that use the comment aspect | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 18:25 |
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| @rizen | dump? | 18:33 |
| @rizen | get rid of? | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | dicth | 18:33 |
| @rizen | no | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | remove | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | okay | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad | 18:34 |
| @rizen | it's not too bad actually | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | why isn't it? | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | Synq2: Please don't mix bugs. I thought your problem in 9767 was due to the tests | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | only reading the IRC backlogs did I see that it's also the File asset | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | synq has gone home | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 bug per bug board posting | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you guys also have a patch for the File asset? Or should I work one up? | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | haven't had time to look into it thouroughly | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | but setting storageId and filenam to allow for null values should work | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I have an idea or 2, I'll try to catch Synq* sometime, since I don't have mysql 5.1 | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | or making sure that addChild passses a value for all columns | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | the value can be an empty string | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think | 18:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the root of the problem lies in the fact that, when adding assets, the columns of record are being filled in phases | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | instead of in one single query | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | right, they're built in layers | 18:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is the cause of many WebGUI bugs | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | ironically, it sort of collides with the data integrity contraints we're putting in the db | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely, there's no "sort of" to it | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe that's something we should try to fix in WebGUI 8 | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | atomic writes, not layered | 18:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yup | 18:54 |
| @rizen | transactional writes | 18:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9608 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t): Fix a bad test that will fail when we upgrade to mysql 5.1 | 18:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9609 /branch/crop: | 18:55 |
| @rizen | one of my goals for WebGUI 8 is to switch to Drizzle as the database | 18:55 |
| @rizen | which means switching to innodb | 18:55 |
| @rizen | which means using transacations | 18:55 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: to answer your question above it's because comments should have emotion attached to them | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the usa they might =) | 18:57 |
| @rizen | otherwise how do you know the intent of the poster | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I have some people who don't want the, | 18:57 |
| Lisette | where is the label "Add to cart" in i18n? | 18:57 |
| @rizen | if your people are emotionless, then they aren't really people are they? | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | who cares? they're eurotrash just like me. | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | Doesn't get any better | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | believe me | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease is very emotional | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway, whether our customers are people or not is not important | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Just ask him about Murray's :) | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | they just hate the emoticon thingies | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | and want them removed | 19:00 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: in 7.7 i'll be further expanding the comments aspect. i might be convinced to allow for a switch to turn them off | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette: grep -R 'Add to cart' i18n/ | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | as well as the ratings | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's would be better. | 19:01 |
| @rizen | but i can't be convinced by you, because you're an unemotional non-human | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | what does it take to convince you some more? | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | thank you very much | 19:01 |
| @rizen | hot naked chicks | 19:01 |
| @rizen | lots of money | 19:01 |
| @rizen | you know, the usual | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's the nicest thing anybody has said to me in about a week | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's koen's department | 19:02 |
| @rizen | heh | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | i keep my chicks and money for my self | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | convinced == supply a large TeddyWedger's gift card | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: I'll give you a can of murray's | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | that greasy too, and much better | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | just don't eat it =) | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Only if you show me how to properly apply it to my hair ;) | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll grow it long for the WUC, then | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | we canprobably do a hair combing bof at the wuc | 19:04 |
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| @tavisto | oooh TeddyWedgers.... That sounds soooo good right now | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 19:09 |
| @rizen | are you guys aware the Haarg won't eat teddywedgers | 19:13 |
| @rizen | to me it seems like a fireable offense | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we can patch him? | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | submit a bug to the bug board, and I'll begin a patch | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | need a viral payload, some recombinant DNA | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe a little nanotech thrown in | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | operant conditioning | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | won't work | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | there's no Haarg category on the bug board | 19:21 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9610 /branch/crop: | 19:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9611 /branch/crop: | 19:22 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9612 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Transaction.t: Add a test to make sure that update does not erase values that it is not given. | 20:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | when is the webgui source going to move to github? | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | 2012, after the global collapse | 20:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | you're into mayan calendars perldreamer? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I just enjoy watching a bad cultural meme collapse, as it will on December 13th, 2012 :) | 20:39 |
| @Haarg | MrHairgrease, it's going to move when we start on 8.0 dev | 20:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:40 |
| @Haarg | although i'll probably be mirroring it there soon | 20:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 20:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | but until then, commits go into svn? | 20:40 |
| @Haarg | yes | 20:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, clear | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and the mirroring is 1-way, or 2-way? | 20:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's what i tried to ask | 20:41 |
| @Haarg | 1 way | 20:41 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9613 /branch/crop/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): check point | 20:51 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, just benched my modified i18n code | 22:09 |
| @Haarg | looks like it is faster in every case | 22:09 |
| @Haarg | even if you only do one call to ->get per ->new call | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 22:11 |
| @Haarg | for a single ->get call, it is 143% faster | 22:11 |
| deafferret | So it travels backward it time? | 22:16 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:16 |
| deafferret | (il8n and flux capacitors)++ | 22:17 |
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| juan1 | it is posible to add to CS a new item for sort by, for example i want to sort by rating or views, is posible to do it? | 22:27 |
| @Haarg | the sorting code allows it, but you'd have to modify the definition to get entries like that in the select box | 22:29 |
| juan1 | i have to modify the definition of the sort by select box | 22:36 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:37 |
| juan1 | works | 22:53 |
| juan1 | i modified the definition and added the respective line | 22:54 |
| juan1 | thanks for the help | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | 143% is a lot. That's more than twice as fast | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | indeed | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if that makes my idea for storing the i18n object in the session var still worthwhile or not | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it saves call to new | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and it should be shorter to type | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you think? | 22:57 |
| @preaction | i never understand "143%" faster. is it 143% * <basetime> or basetime + basetime * 43%? | 22:57 |
| @Haarg | new speed = old speed * 2.43 | 22:57 |
| @preaction | ah | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, very fast | 22:58 |
| @preaction | 143% greater than 100% (so 243% of basetime, 143% greater than basetime) | 22:58 |
| @preaction | okay, now i get it | 22:58 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's damn fast | 22:59 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: ernesto * r9614 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/www/extras/ukplayer: Removed www/extras/ukplayer since it's not being used in WebGUI 7.5. | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmm | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Didn't we resolve all the issues with licensing for that thing? | 23:00 |
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| bernd_kz | rizen, do you have a second? | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | There is a discussion going on in the german forum about a german webgui site. | 23:09 |
| bernd_kz | The question is, whether to create a new site or internationalize webgui.org | 23:10 |
| bernd_kz | What is your opinion about that? | 23:10 |
| bernd_kz | Comments/suggestions from plain black staff is welcome, too. | 23:11 |
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| bernd_kz | No one interested? | 23:24 |
| bernd_kz | Or everyone busy? | 23:24 |
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| deafferret | Can I vote "present" ? :) | 23:32 |
| bernd_kz | present? | 23:33 |
| deafferret | That means I showed up, but had no opinion. But, by golley I'm here and breathing. Like a senator. :) | 23:34 |
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| bernd_kz | Yes, you can! =) | 23:34 |
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| Mech422 | Ugg - kopete really is ugly...brb | 23:40 |
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| bernd_kz | Ok, I am approaching my destination. | 23:41 |
| * perlDreamer suffers from SynQOverLoad | 23:41 | |
| SynQ3 | hi there | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | hola | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | Maybe we can discuss the German website thing another time. | 23:41 |
| * SynQ3 hugs perlDreamer | 23:41 | |
| bernd_kz | Hey SynQ3! | 23:41 |
| SynQ3 | hey bernd | 23:41 |
| SynQ3 | how are you? | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | Where is No 2 and 1? | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | Alright. | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | A bit tired already. | 23:41 |
| SynQ3 | synq = on one of my desktop pc's upstairs | 23:41 |
| SynQ3 | synq2 = at the office | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | Did you get your WRE to compile? | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | SynQ3 = ? | 23:42 |
| SynQ3 | synq3 is on the couch in front of the tv on my laptop | 23:42 |
| SynQ3 | :) | 23:42 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: i'm here now | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | Talking to the couch version? | 23:42 |
| SynQ3 | indeed :P | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | rizen, and I am almost gone :-( | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | I have to get off the train. | 23:42 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: ok we can talk another day | 23:42 |
| SynQ3 | I got the WRE to compile | 23:42 |
| SynQ3 | on debian | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | Or in 30 minutes? | 23:43 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: fine also | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | Good. | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | But we can start right now. | 23:43 |
| bernd_kz | What ist your opinion? | 23:43 |
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| SynQ3 | my opinion on what? | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Having a german language WebGUI site | 23:43 |
| @rizen | i don't exactly know what would be involved in that. obviously the submission areas of the site can't be translated because they're language specific | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | should they build their own, or just internationalize webgui.org? | 23:44 |
| @rizen | so are we really only talking about translating the marketing sections of the site? | 23:44 |
| SynQ3 | like webgui.nl I would recommend to have a german webgui site | 23:44 |
| bernd_kz | We would have to duplicate some content. | 23:44 |
| bernd_kz | No, not only. | 23:44 |
| SynQ3 | translating webgui.org sounds like a bad plan to me | 23:44 |
| bernd_kz | Why is that? | 23:44 |
| SynQ3 | it is too much info | 23:44 |
| @rizen | it would be a big job | 23:44 |
| @rizen | there is a lot there | 23:44 |
| SynQ3 | and if you really want to get involved | 23:44 |
| @rizen | and we add more all the time | 23:44 |
| bernd_kz | I mean, it is mostly about translating the menu, some introductory texts, etc. | 23:44 |
| SynQ3 | you need a langua franca | 23:44 |
| Mech422 | I thought wG did multi-lingual sites ?? Can't you just add german translations to the existing wG site ? | 23:45 |
| SynQ3 | which in case of WebGUI is US English UTF-8 :) | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | But not everything would have to be in the German branch. | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | I mean, why should creating a German page from scratch be less work? | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | I am bit worried that we end up with a divided community. | 23:46 |
| SynQ3 | take a look at webgui.nl | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | Does it work? | 23:46 |
| Mech422 | rizen: I haven't checked the forums in ages - what was the outcome of the 'filesytem based' files project ? | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | Do people participate in both, webgui.org and webgui.nl? | 23:46 |
| @rizen | Mech422: i don't have any idea what you're referring to | 23:46 |
| SynQ3 | they do | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | So, you think having two pages is the best solution? | 23:47 |
| SynQ3 | yes | 23:47 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: i'd be ok with having a german branch on the webgui.org site if you want | 23:47 |
| bernd_kz | That is the problem. | 23:47 |
| SynQ3 | use webgui.org for anything community related | 23:47 |
| Mech422 | rizen: there was some talk a month or two ago about putting more wG stuffin the filesystem - I'll just go look at the thread :-) | 23:47 |
| bernd_kz | I would like to. But the others don't. | 23:47 |
| SynQ3 | use a local site for locally interesting stuff only | 23:47 |
| bernd_kz | For different reasons, however. | 23:47 |
| SynQ3 | like drinks and translations | 23:47 |
| SynQ3 | but that is just my recommendation | 23:48 |
| bernd_kz | But what is locally interesting only? | 23:48 |
| bernd_kz | The bazaar is international., | 23:48 |
| bernd_kz | The helpdesk is international. | 23:48 |
| bernd_kz | The wiki content is international. | 23:48 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: but you should be aware that webgui.org is going to change and expand VERY RAPIDLY in the next couple of months | 23:48 |
| SynQ3 | locally interesting is local drinks and translations\ | 23:48 |
| bernd_kz | I am only talking about transferring some information to a local branch, and link the rest. | 23:49 |
| bernd_kz | We could have a German menu, German descriptions. | 23:49 |
| bernd_kz | Full German content where appropriate, and shortcuts everywhere else. | 23:49 |
| bernd_kz | That would be my idea. | 23:49 |
| SynQ3 | how much time would you like to put into it | 23:49 |
| bernd_kz | Impossible for me alone. | 23:50 |
| SynQ3 | we want to spend about 15 minutes a week on webgui.nl | 23:50 |
| SynQ3 | the rest we spend on webgui.org | 23:50 |
| SynQ3 | it's more fun | 23:50 |
| bernd_kz | We? | 23:50 |
| bernd_kz | Just you and Bart? | 23:50 |
| SynQ3 | and helps the community faster and more effectively | 23:50 |
| SynQ3 | Bart, Albert, Arjan, Martin, Joeri, etc | 23:50 |
| SynQ3 | we all speak dutch | 23:50 |
| SynQ3 | we all speak english | 23:51 |
| SynQ3 | webgui.org is our meetingpoint | 23:51 |
| bernd_kz | That is what I am afraid of. | 23:51 |
| SynQ3 | webgui.nl is for newcomers | 23:51 |
| SynQ3 | who are interested and want to read a few words in dutch | 23:51 |
| bernd_kz | I think, the German site would be the meeting point instead. | 23:51 |
| bernd_kz | And that is bad IMO. | 23:51 |
| SynQ3 | they will all change to webgui.org soon | 23:51 |
| bernd_kz | Ok, need to get of the train. | 23:51 |
| SynQ3 | most of the links on webgui.nl point to webgui.org | 23:51 |
| bernd_kz | I'll be back in 5 minutes. | 23:51 |
| SynQ3 | ~ | 23:52 |
| SynQ3 | rizen: I turned on innodb on the WRE allready | 23:52 |
| SynQ3 | that is OK isn't it? | 23:52 |
| SynQ3 | gotta walk the dog | 23:53 |
| SynQ3 | I'll be right back | 23:53 |
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| Mech422 | rizen: ahh - the WGFS :-) | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | rizen: thats what jt refers to it as | 23:55 |
| @rizen | sh | 23:55 |
| @rizen | ssh | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | don't talk about jt in channel | 23:55 |
| @rizen | sssssshhhhhhhh!!!! | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | he might come in and hear you | 23:56 |
| @rizen | don't talk about wgfs | 23:56 |
| @rizen | that was a private conversation | 23:56 |
| Mech422 | oh sorry | 23:56 |
| bernd_kz | WGFS? | 23:56 |
| bernd_kz | Now I am curious :=) | 23:57 |
| @rizen | you have to get off the train | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | I am already. | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | Back home. | 23:57 |
| @rizen | besides, these aren't the droids you're looking for | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | move along | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | Just taking my shoes off... | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | So, just one more thing. | 23:57 |
| bernd_kz | What is your personal opinion? | 23:58 |
| bernd_kz | What makes more sense? | 23:58 |
| bernd_kz | Now I know! WGFS = WebGUI File System? | 23:59 |
| bernd_kz | The WebDAV implementation? | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Fri Feb 20 2009 | ||
| +perlDreamer | You don't need to see our papers... | 00:00 |
| * perlDreamer waves his hand like Obi-Wan Kenobi | 00:00 | |
| bernd_kz | Who am I? Where am I? | 00:00 |
| * bernd_kz is slightly irritated. | 00:00 | |
| @preaction | they've got a cream for that | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | You are bernd_kz, a German programmer. You were talking about translating webgui.org, or making webgui.de | 00:00 |
| bernd_kz | Ah, now I remember. | 00:01 |
| bernd_kz | Thanks for helping me out! | 00:01 |
| bernd_kz | But what was the consensus of our discussion? | 00:01 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: I'm not sure what to tell you, because I'm not sure how a german translated version of the site would work given the changes we're about to unveil | 00:01 |
| @rizen | i think you should wait until you see that announcement | 00:01 |
| @rizen | it will come toward the end of this month | 00:02 |
| bernd_kz | When is that going to happen? | 00:02 |
| Mech422 | rizen: btw - wgTV is very nifty | 00:02 |
| bernd_kz | Cool. | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope you're not planning on rewriting WebGUI in PHP again | 00:02 |
| @rizen | no perlDreamer we're planning on rewriting it in lolcode | 00:02 |
| @preaction | can has session? | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet! Is that the Parrot based VM, or a native one? | 00:02 |
| @rizen | parrot based | 00:03 |
| bernd_kz | Why not use machine code? It is so efficient. | 00:03 |
| bernd_kz | I used to be good at it once. | 00:03 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: How does updateSetting() sound ? to create / modify settings like updateProfileField() does with profile fields ? | 00:03 |
| @rizen | the announcement isn't about webgui | 00:04 |
| @rizen | it's about webgui.org | 00:04 |
| Mech422 | bernd_kz: I got out of assembly when that fancy 'segmentation' stuff showed up.. | 00:04 |
| bernd_kz | Talking to me? | 00:04 |
| bernd_kz | I lost track, | 00:04 |
| bernd_kz | rizen, to summarize it: | 00:04 |
| bernd_kz | A German branch is possible, | 00:04 |
| Mech422 | bernd_kz: everyone knew you'd never need more then 64K, and if you did - you bank switched like real men ! | 00:04 |
| bernd_kz | but I should wait for the new site. | 00:04 |
| bernd_kz | Correct? | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422: sounds good | 00:05 |
| bernd_kz | Yeah! | 00:05 |
| bernd_kz | Really good. | 00:05 |
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| bernd_kz | That was still programming. | 00:05 |
| bernd_kz | Not this cryptic perl code everywhere. | 00:05 |
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| bernd_kz | And a bug would hang the machine for sure. | 00:05 |
| bernd_kz | No log files needed. | 00:06 |
| bernd_kz | Good. | 00:06 |
| bernd_kz | Going to bed. | 00:06 |
| bernd_kz | Good night everyone! | 00:07 |
| bernd_kz | Good night perlDreamer, | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, bernd_kz | 00:07 |
| bernd_kz | good night Mech422, | 00:07 |
| bernd_kz | good night preaction, | 00:07 |
| bernd_kz | good night SynQ123 | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | g'nite! | 00:07 |
| bernd_kz | , ... | 00:07 |
| bernd_kz | I know too many people already. | 00:07 |
| bernd_kz | Good night everyone else. | 00:07 |
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| SynQ3 | perlDreamer: still around? | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here | 00:11 |
| SynQ3 | ok | 00:11 |
| SynQ3 | there are a few more bugs that arise when using mysql 5.1 | 00:11 |
| @rizen | stop calling him round | 00:11 |
| @rizen | he's working out every day | 00:12 |
| SynQ3 | hehe | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | not today, my immune system is getting a workout | 00:12 |
| SynQ3 | does he still have that east european trainer? | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | He does | 00:12 |
| SynQ3 | nice | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | The trainer reccomends tea | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and lots of pushups | 00:13 |
| SynQ3 | oesja | 00:13 |
| SynQ3 | or something | 00:13 |
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| Mech422 | its quiet... | 01:19 |
| Mech422 | too quiet... | 01:19 |
| * Mech422 sings.... | 01:19 | |
| Mech422 | "The sun will come out to-morrow, to-morrow...." | 01:19 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rd26a9c7 / lib/WGDev.pm : better cleanup when session closes - http://bit.ly/EAiBC | 01:32 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1bb4645 / (lib/WGDev/Asset.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm): allow edit command to create new assets by specifying class name - http://bit.ly/ZE7Mi | 01:32 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rfc25443 / (.perlcriticrc lib/WGDev/Command/Export.pm): adding export command. very simple for now. - http://bit.ly/5TH5g | 01:32 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i committed my new asset stuff for wgdev | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, can't wait to check it out | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | an import mechanism and a full-tree export will be next | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | In my current cold medicine diminished state, I'm not sure I followed all of the wgdevcfg content in the email, but it needs a more patient reread. | 02:09 |
| @Haarg | let me know if i can clarify any part of it | 02:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9615 /wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Site.pm: fix site deletion to work for users with arbitrary hostname | 02:12 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 02:13 |
| @Haarg | t/International.t checks that the default namespace is undef | 02:13 |
| @Haarg | even though the i18n system behaves like it is WebGUI | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | there was a time when I was checking exact behavior, so that all changes could be tracked and caught. | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I still do that, but not as much. | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | it's usually a good idea | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | see any reason to not just change the test? | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no, especially if the underlying implementation has changed | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a small penalty for 143% speed improvements :) | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you didn't comment earlier about my session'ed i18n idea. | 02:18 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure it is too important | 02:18 |
| @Haarg | sounds like you would run into the language changing problem | 02:18 |
| @Haarg | which i never thought of a complete solution to | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I did :) | 02:19 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 02:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | session->i18n() would always return an i18n object configured for the WebGUI namespace | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and session->i18n(namespace) would return the object configured for that namespace | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the i18n method would be a little more complex than just a cache and return, but I think the overhead would be small | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that means that the cached i18n object would always be in a known state | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | i need to add some options to wgd test so it can be run through bisect | 02:30 |
| @Haarg | we should add an env variable to enable or to disable live tests | 02:31 |
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| metanil | BTW, whats the default session timeout ? can this be set on settings page? | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | It's on the settings page. | 03:14 |
| metanil | perlDreamer: i don't see it.. (mine ver 7.4) | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | let me poke around a bit, I could be wrong. | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that hasn't happened for a while, so it's past due | 03:18 |
| metanil | oh.. | 03:18 |
| metanil | oops | 03:18 |
| metanil | session time out.. | 03:18 |
| metanil | my bad | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | crud, now I have to be wrong about something else | 03:19 |
| metanil | yes its there.. i thought it in seconds .. so i poke around for numeric value great thatn 600 .. (poor me). so missed '1' value | 03:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, the interval control takes some getting used to | 03:19 |
| metanil | and what is that? | 03:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the thing that displays intervals of time | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if you entered in 600 seconds, it would reformat it as 10 hours | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | they're equivalent, but it always takes the lowest available time unit | 03:20 |
| metanil | cool | 03:21 |
| * perlDreamer takes a dinner break | 03:22 | |
| * perlDreamer is back | 03:54 | |
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| * patspam wonders what happened to svn | 04:40 | |
| @preaction | patspam: what about it? some things are in git | 04:41 |
| patspam | when i ran "git svn fetch" a few hours ago it started re-downloading the entire svn repo | 04:42 |
| patspam | still running.. | 04:42 |
| @preaction | i dunno, but i think git stores the entire repository locally, so you can commit locally | 04:43 |
| patspam | yeah it does, but this is a git-svn thing | 04:43 |
| patspam | it's like something in the webgui svn structure was changed, which triggered my local repo to re-download everything | 04:43 |
| @preaction | perhaps we branched 7.7? dunno | 04:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope, no branching yet | 05:18 |
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| * patspam notices that in 7.4.16 wg was shipping with ExtJS | 05:38 | |
| Lisette | in the paydriver cash i can add a text besides of the button choose billing address | 05:38 |
| Lisette | ? | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette, the Cart does have a template. | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | whoops, you said Cash PayDriver... | 05:43 |
| Lisette | yes i say paydriver | 05:44 |
| Lisette | i can? | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope. That is not templated. So you have two options. | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Change the perl code for the Cash PayDriver | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Submit a bug about it not being templated, since all user facing screens are supposed to be templated. | 05:45 |
| patspam | My new bug report is going to start like this: WebGUI weighs in at just under 100Mb. Over half of this (54Mb) comes parts of the YUI distribution that we don't actually need (docs, examples, tests, ..). | 05:47 |
| @preaction | 100Mb? you sure? | 05:48 |
| patspam | 4.7Mdocs | 05:48 |
| patspam | 116Ketc | 05:48 |
| patspam | 7.7Mlib | 05:48 |
| patspam | 172Ksbin | 05:48 |
| patspam | 2.8Mt | 05:48 |
| patspam | 81Mwww | 05:48 |
| @preaction | that's yours, not the distribution | 05:49 |
| @preaction | distribution is 16M | 05:49 |
| patspam | try telling svn that.. | 05:49 |
| @preaction | that's SVN's fault | 05:50 |
| patspam | agreed. but I'm too scared to submit a webgui bug about svn ;) | 05:52 |
| Lisette | where i find the value of the button "Add to cart" in the i18n i don't found | 05:52 |
| patspam | the webgui distro would be ~10Mb instead of 16Mb without the unnecessary YUI stuff | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Lisette: line 973 of i18n/English/Shop.pm | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and, as to not needing tests... | 05:59 |
| Lisette | yes | 06:04 |
| Lisette | but i have the shop traducted to 100% | 06:04 |
| Lisette | and this don't works in the button | 06:04 |
| Lisette | this is a link in the product but isn't the button | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | have you looked in the Asset_Product file for that label? | 06:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | trigger_trilogy knows his Popeye comics | 06:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, you big javascript hacking stud! | 06:38 |
| daviddelikat | sup? | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | hacking perl, same as yesterday | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | staying busy? | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat | enough, tonight is bill night | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | ugh | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat | as in writing checks | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat | yes | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I try to do mine on Saturday or Sunday | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat | I try to savweekends for fun stuff | 06:40 |
| daviddelikat | I've been writinga module to detect spiders and othere non-homan agents | 06:41 |
| daviddelikat | any ideas where I can find a good list of them? | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | wikipedia? | 06:42 |
| @preaction | there's a website devoted to a list of all known user agents | 06:51 |
| @preaction | http://www.user-agents.org/ <- this one perhaps? | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction hears all, knows all, hacks all | 06:55 |
| @preaction | i really oughta start remembering or fabricating funny stories for reasons why i know all that i know | 06:58 |
| @preaction | "oh, yeah, i know that because i once saw a cat catch a squirrel in mid-air" | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that the site where you go to make sure that your army of pre-bots aren't listed? | 06:58 |
| @preaction | making user agent strings that look innocuous but are not already listed is a tedious task | 06:59 |
| @preaction | i mean, did you see how many user agent strings there are? i mean seriously | 06:59 |
| @preaction | every American can have their own | 06:59 |
| @preaction | tonight i must report failure to my superiors... i am not pleased | 07:01 |
| @preaction | charset issues have bested me once again! | 07:01 |
| @preaction | the only way i can think to resolve them is to look at the characters in their binary equivalent and figure out which charset and then fix it | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | have you talked to Haargm? | 07:02 |
| @preaction | yes, the magic spell he described to me has not slayed the beast | 07:02 |
| * perlDreamer is still a 7-bit ascii guy at heart | 07:02 | |
| @preaction | i think the problem is it's the windows encoding, not latin1 | 07:02 |
| @preaction | but what about the parity bit? | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's 50/50 | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | with a single parity bit, you can't even due error correction | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | just huck it | 07:03 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, a custom template was set to isDefault during an upgrade to 7.6.12 | 16:26 |
| +bartjol | strange | 16:26 |
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| +bartjol | the upgrade scripts for 7.6.8 up till 7.6.12 don't show any special stuff for putting templates to default | 16:49 |
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| AMH_bob | Hi everybody! | 16:53 |
| AMH_bob | Before I start adding unneeded code..... what are (some of) you using to replace the decimal point with a decimal comma? | 16:54 |
| +bartjol | where do you want to do that? | 16:57 |
| +bartjol | %s/./,/g ;) | 16:58 |
| +bartjol | I suppose some shop appliance? | 16:59 |
| AMH_bob | Hmmmm, ik was thinking of changing or overloading Float.pm | 17:15 |
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| +bartjol | sorry AMH_bob, I'm afraid I ca't help you there | 17:32 |
| +bartjol | did other people also had strange things with account templates during upgrades? | 17:32 |
| +bartjol | somewhere between 7.6.8 and 7.6.12? | 17:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ, SynQ2, SynQ3: I'm online, let's get to it. | 18:01 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: I'm not sure whether he's paying attention | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | I can't poke him | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Is this a common occurance? :) | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | no, certainly not | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps just a recent one | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | he only distributes it equally | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | whicdh gives people the idea that they don't get it | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, he is an equal opportunity ignorer | 18:05 |
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| SynQ | who summons me? | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 18:24 |
| +bartjol | ah, well perlDreamer did | 18:24 |
| SynQ | hi bart :) | 18:24 |
| +bartjol | afternoon herr die Jungste | 18:25 |
| +bartjol | I only gave him the ip[ of the machione so far | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ, IRC does not like OTR, we should do it in AIM land | 18:27 |
| +bartjol | eeeh, sounds like an activity I don't wanna join | 18:27 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings at last. | 18:59 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rdd52140 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : reset fast option should disable backups - http://bit.ly/6BVdl | 19:05 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r7327986 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : add reset option to do a fast reset before running tests - http://bit.ly/vERsU | 19:05 |
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| SynQ | nice | 19:36 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9616 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Fixes of defaultValue from undef to '', 0 for mysql 5.1 | 19:52 |
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| juan1 | I want to generate a certain disk space for each user in one of my sites to upload data, can i do it with WebGUI? | 21:38 |
| @preaction | juan1: you can with the Gallery out of the box, anything else would require some ingenuity | 21:40 |
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| juan1 | there is an option in the config file that permit me to do changes in macros without restart the webserver | 22:04 |
| @preaction | no. if you change the config file you must restart the webserver | 22:04 |
| juan1 | but actually if i modify a macro, i have to restart the webser , could i do it without restart it? | 22:07 |
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| @preaction | juan1: see Apache2::Reload, but i would not use it on a production server | 22:15 |
| juan1 | ok | 22:20 |
| juan1 | thanks | 22:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Would a json asset property be text or some binary? I'd guess text. | 22:23 |
| @Haarg | in the database you mean? | 22:28 |
| @Haarg | would be text | 22:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: sweet, thanks :) | 22:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | err. | 22:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I mean the database is text, but should the definition type also be text? | 22:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | in the asset definition. | 22:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hm, I guess the answer is "of course it should." | 22:30 |
| @Haarg | depends somewhat | 22:32 |
| @Haarg | what will be manipulating the json? | 22:39 |
| @Haarg | if it's on the edit form, you may want a custom draw method | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | or you may want to hide in entirely | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | it would make sense to have the field type as text though for the installable trait | 22:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | okay, yes, it should be hidden as it shoudln't show up in the edit asset page, and should be a text. Simple enough I guess. | 22:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9617 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t: | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Rewrite the DeleteExpiredSessions test to not take cheap shortcuts | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: that are not very reliable. | 00:42 |
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| SynQ | my hero | 01:10 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, any thoughts on filtering of 'special' characters from i18n keys? | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | the current code filters them out for no apparent reason | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we should never allow curly braces | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | curly braces are the way of getting arbitrary execution of perl code | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and since i18n keys are eval'ed... | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, did you get the updated test? | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | i realized after my change broke one of the tests | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | the current gallery help files rely on that filtering in one place | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | they do? | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | there's a * in one of the entries in the help file | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | the i18n key doesn't have it | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | that's evil and wrong | 01:16 |
| @Haarg | the current way it works just seems bad, but i don't want to break compatibility of course | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | at one point, there was talk about there being no English translation anymore. | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | i18n keys would be the english | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | which for some cases, like ITransact stuff, would be bad | 01:18 |
| @Haarg | why? | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | There's about 30-40 lines of i18n instructions of how to setup your account | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | see near the bottom of i18n/English/PayDriver_ITransact.pm | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | w.r.t that Album Helpfile, it shouldn't do that | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | relying on the filtering is bad | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | because when we change it, bad things will happen | 01:20 |
| @Haarg | well, the idea would be more that most of the english i18n would not exist | 01:21 |
| @Haarg | but you could still define it for cases like that | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so if it doesn't exist in the English translation, return the key | 01:21 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not bad | 01:22 |
| @Haarg | so it seems fine to you to remove the filtering and fix the album help? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | shoot, I'll do it right now if you wish | 01:24 |
| @Haarg | nah | 01:24 |
| @Haarg | i'll fix that so i can commit my changes to the i18n stuff | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I realized that if we were to upgrade to perl 5.10, we could start running tests in parallel | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that it's in 5.10 that the new version of Test::Builder is used, which permits things like that | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | also, custom, inheritable harnesses and extensions to prove | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | would be nice | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the newest prove will autodetect what kind of interpreter to use on any given test file | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can mix php, ruby, python and perl all together | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so long as they emit TAP | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | started using a nice feature git has yesterday - bisect | 01:27 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: I have had visitors tonight | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | does a binary search over a specified set of commits to find which one broke stuff | 01:27 |
| SynQ | so haven't looked at it yet | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | there are external things that will do it with svn as well | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, no rush. I just wanted to let you know that it's ready. | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe I will log in and run it once later this afternoon | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | bisect sounds cool, Haarg | 01:28 |
| SynQ | thanks | 01:28 |
| @Haarg | but i added the reset switch to wgd test so it can automatically run through that | 01:28 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: go ahead | 01:28 |
| SynQ | time for bed now | 01:29 |
| SynQ | good night | 01:29 |
| SynQ | ~zz | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, daddy | 01:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it sounds like you could write a driver to completely automate the bisection | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | some little perl/shell script that would run and run and then tell you: It was this commit ## made by this yahoo: @@@@@ | 01:32 |
| @Haarg | well, at this point it's just one command to start it and another to have it run | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | git bisect run my_script, where my_script is wgd | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | wgd test --reset does a fast reset before running the tests | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | just does the db and upgrade | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | i may extend it so you can specify arbitrary reset params for when that isn't correct | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that reminds me, now that my head is clearer I need to reread wgdevcfg | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I see where my problem is. Bad assumptions. | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I assumed that it would let you build a config file from scratch, from WebGUI.conf.orig with overrides. | 01:43 |
| @Haarg | that's roughly what you can do | 01:43 |
| @Haarg | wgdevcfg is a general wgdev config file | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | so far the only thing in it is the settings for wgd reset --config | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | which takes WebGUI.conf.orig, copies some things from your existing config, sets specific other options, and overwrites your config with | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | does copy happen after override, or before? | 01:47 |
| @Haarg | override first | 01:48 |
| @Haarg | oh, and it has a set of keys it always copies | 01:48 |
| @Haarg | database info, paths and urls, sitename, ip stuff, cachetype | 01:49 |
| @Haarg | should probably copy file cache location as well | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it gets cacheType | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but not cache file location | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | i usually use db cache so i forgot | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | needs additional documentation obviously | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | i18n changes are committed | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | all of them? | 01:55 |
| @Haarg | the optimization stuff | 01:56 |
| @Haarg | and the galleryalbum fixed along with that | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that should help speed wG up a bit | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I made some contacts with the local government agency for transit today. | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | They could use a WebGUI site, or 25 of them. | 01:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, patch on the way for POD, and for handling when there is no wgdevcfg file. | 02:12 |
| @Haarg | cool | 02:12 |
| @Haarg | also, thoughts on what i had in the email about current directory vs webgui root? | 02:12 |
| @Haarg | or it could search both | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | home directory is a gimme | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I think etc would be better than /data/WebGUI | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | since it keeps all the data in 1 place | 02:14 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9618 /WebGUI/ (632 files in 69 dirs): updating copyright year | 02:14 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9619 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): International text retrieval has been optimized | 02:14 |
| @Haarg | maybe | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and . can be handy, but it also leaves dot files everywhere | 02:14 |
| @Haarg | yay 632 files | 02:14 |
| @Haarg | the idea with webgui root is you might have some settings that apply to a particular webgui install | 02:14 |
| @Haarg | if you had multiple | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but for cleanliness, I like etc better. | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | now that i'm thinking about it | 02:15 |
| @Haarg | it could store the webgui root and config file in it | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | instead of using env variables | 02:16 |
| @Haarg | well, in addition to | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes it could. That would be very handy | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | would you accept a patch to remove only Flash content from the default site? | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | sounds fine as a concept | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | another thing i plan on adding is 'profiles' for reset | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | like -d and -b are now | 02:21 |
| @Haarg | but configurable | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | do you happen to have an assetHistory for the default site somewhere? | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I was working with bpmedley today, and we were trying to track down the history of PBtmpl00000000000035, which was removed from the install at one point (we think) | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | svn is the only history of that | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | and obviously that isn't very easy to go though | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | through | 02:23 |
| @Haarg | what is (was) that template? | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the question | 02:24 |
| * perlDreamer really wishes that templates were text files, and not in the db | 02:24 | |
| @Haarg | well, the history of create.sql would be the place to look | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | which doesn't help much either | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | actually | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a good use of git bisect run ack PBtmpl0+35 | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | nah | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | git log -S'PBtmpl00000000000035' | 02:25 |
| @Haarg | template with a name like that though | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | is old | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | would have come from a tmpl file | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would been removed via an upgrade script | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing matching that in 7.4, 7.5 or .6 | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | purged in 2005 | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 2005? | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | it predates svn and must have been an image template | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | as hard as it can be to migrate to a new vcs, I'm excited that git will have a complete history for us | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | my rebuilt git repo is messed up right now so i can't dig into cvs | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | anyway, i'm heading out | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | might be on later | 02:35 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Really fix Thingy pagination this time. I promise. For sure. | 02:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: No kidding. | 02:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | dinner break, bbl | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | back | 04:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9621 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t: Clean up after the newly modified DeleteExpiredSession test. | 04:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9622 /WebGUI/t/International.t: Update International test for new International module. | 04:26 |
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| @preaction | colin's making the story manager? nice | 10:51 |
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| daviddelikat | OK what happened to PAUSE? | 17:03 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg : I'm writing a new module and I'd like to know where it belongs in the WG namespace | 17:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg...? | 21:14 |
| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: do you ever use PA | 21:30 |
| daviddelikat | PAUSE? | 21:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | for uploading stuff to CPAN, yes, but it's been a while | 21:33 |
| daviddelikat | I'm trying to check my PAUSE ID, but I keep getting errors trying to browse to pause.perl.org | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it's coming up for me now | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | http://pause.perl.org | 21:35 |
| daviddelikat | you fixed it! | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | oh crap | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/xbw3m2CzSoY/article.pl | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it's begun | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, something is broken between the Macro processor and the new International system | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | single and double quotes are behaving strangely | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the Macro.pm test passes | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | you have an example perlDreamer | 22:28 |
| @Haarg | ? | 22:28 |
| @Haarg | there was a case in the past that would have caused problems | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | people were using quotes in the macro parameters on the international macro | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | when the macro parser didn't support quotes | 22:29 |
| @Haarg | single quotes i mean | 22:30 |
| @Haarg | and it only worked because of the id filtering | 22:30 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | actaully, i guess that would still be a problem. the macro parser only does double quotes | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the problem | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | with double quotes, it's failing | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | single quotes work | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and no quotes | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but not with double quotes | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | you can see this if you run i18n/template.t | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | also, I'm at home with a sick kid (stomach virus), I'm going to be on and off a lot | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | for a specific example, create a Gallery, and note that there's no Add an Album link. | 22:49 |
| @Haarg | hm | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | so I ran the test, and only thing that fails are entries with double quotes | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | at first I thought it was a bad i18n file | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's from 4-5 different files | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that all worked before... | 22:50 |
| @Haarg | my first thought is actually the test | 22:50 |
| @Haarg | the way it parses the macros doesn't seem quite right | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt that, but the template itself (the Gallery one) is missing the label | 22:50 |
| @Haarg | if i take the macro as it's used in the file | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | it gets the right i18n message | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | in what context are you evaluating the macro? | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | just sticking it on a page | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | ^International("template delete yes","Asset_GalleryAlbum"); | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you add a gallery, do you have a link to add an album? | 22:54 |
| @Haarg | no | 22:55 |
| @Haarg | single quotes | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | the test is failing when it shouldn't and passing when it shouldn't | 22:57 |
| SynQ | hi there | 22:57 |
| SynQ | I had a great day | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | ugh | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | 254 failing macros | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | all because I wrote a lazy test. | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | i'm trying to see if the macro parser can be adjusted to use single quotes | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be easier to fix the templates | 23:08 |
| @Haarg | maybe | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | what would help is if the macro processor could be called by that test | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | so it all uses the same parser | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | but i think that's enough of a back compat problem i don't really want to do so | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 23:09 |
| @Haarg | trying to come up with how to do [^"\\] except replacing " with \1 | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | which line? | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | got it | 23:11 |
| @Haarg | i can allow single quotes for the start and end easily | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | but that inner part not quite so easily | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | do back references work in character classes? | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that might be the root of it | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | apparently not | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | but i'm not finding an alternate approach that would work | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | | | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | no | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | it's a negative class | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | aside from duplicating that whole block | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | are we really just reinventing CSV for the parameter parser? | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | duplicating that section of the regex would work but i wish there was an alternative | 23:22 |
| @Haarg | roughly | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | (?(condition)yes-pattern|no-pattern) | 23:24 |
| @Haarg | can be made to work | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/68194 | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | still need to fix some comments | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | line 175 is off | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | indeed | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | needs to be \1, or which ever capture that is | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | need more tests | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | with alternation vs class, how much slower do you think it will be? | 23:32 |
| @Haarg | don't know | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's take a step back. This showed up because International->get doesn't remove quotes anymore | 23:33 |
| @Haarg | correct | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but the problem existed for ALL other macros | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and we've never seen a bug about this | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the problem is JUST the International macro, International.pm, and my schlocky parser | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I can fix the templates pretty quickly | 23:34 |
| @Haarg | the real problem (aside from the test) is invalid templates | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | right, and default ones that we ship to boot | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | but that introduces back compat problems i don't know if i'm comfortable with | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | in that the International macro would work with either quote? | 23:35 |
| @Haarg | the upgrade would have to search through all templates and fix them | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but the parser in Macro.pm is the way to do that | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | not sure if i follow | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | you mean you would need to duplicate that parser (mostly) to fix them? | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | at least duplicate them, maybe fix them too | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an idea I've kicked around, but never pursued | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Imagine if we modified the Macro.pm parser to only check for single quote syntax | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it would ignore all other kinds (the right ones) of quoting | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | when it it finds them, it returns the macro with the correct quoting | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of executing the macro | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe that's in the same class as my schlocky Interntional macro detector... | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 23:42 |
| @Haarg | what other tests do you have that manually parse macros? | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | because you shouldn't need to really | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | you can create an alternate international macro for that test to call | 23:44 |
| @Haarg | and just have the normal macro parser run | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | templateChecker.t checks for the gateway macro | 23:57 |
| @Haarg | i'm trying my approach to that right now to see if it works | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so your idea is to pass the template to Macro::execute, and trap the International macro calls? | 23:59 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess as long as you're turning off all the other macros, that would work | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | but wouldn't be better if there was another step in the macro execute? | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, it's two | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | with one more step, we can call the individual pieces | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Find a macro, find its arguments, then execute it | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, steps 2 & 3 are combined | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | a separate sub for parameter parsing? not a bad idea really | 00:01 |
| @Haarg | seems like you would need to separate out the parsing from the executing in all cases though | 00:02 |
| @Haarg | for param parsing it wouldn't be bad, but for general macro parsing it might be a bit nastier | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, how goes your idea? | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | problematic so far, but i'm working on it | 00:04 |
| @Haarg | ok | 00:08 |
| @Haarg | works better when you haven't broken the macro parser | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so are you still convinced that we need backwards compatibility with single quote calls in there? | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | i think yes | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | in some fashion | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | it only works for i18n macro calls | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | and it's essentially a broken way to call it | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it is | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | i guess i would be ok with an upgrade script fixing the calls | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | but that seems like it could be problematic | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not going to be easy | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | and allowing single quotes isn't a bad idea | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | it was just tricky so i didn't do it | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | if people expect it to work that way, it makes sense to do so | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | see, that's the problem | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it only works on the International macro | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm guessing we're pretty much the only people making those kinds of calls in tempaltes | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | templates | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a sec | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | and anyone who copied our templates | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs to fix more than templates | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it would have to fix all user submitted content | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | anywhere those macro calls are used | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | could be used rather | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | but i doubt they are used anywhere but templates | 00:12 |
| @Haarg | or possibly snippets | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/68206 | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | WebGUI::Macro::Callback is a macro i created in t/lib, pretty obvious what it does | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and to think all this started when I was looking at an unrelated WebGUI bug | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | the test would run faster if you only enabled the Callback macro though | 00:16 |
| @Haarg | it does | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | then why do you iterate over them? | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | them = all the macros | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | if there's no International macro, it won't set the Callback macro | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | correct | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | then the test wouldn't work | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | if you had a broken config file, yes | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | but if there were multiple international macros defined | 00:18 |
| @Haarg | this would enable callback for all of them | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 00:18 |
| @Haarg | i could also change it to only set the callback once | 00:19 |
| @Haarg | but i think it reads clearer this way | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes. And it handles any local aliases that the user made | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd forgotten about that | 00:19 |
| @Haarg | well, i'm going to commit this test change | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see about an upgrade script to fix the single quotes | 00:20 |
| @Haarg | ok | 00:21 |
| @Haarg | i do have single quotes working in the macro parser if we want to go that way | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | have you benchmarked it? | 00:22 |
| @Haarg | no | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the slowdown isn't as bad as I'm afraid of | 00:22 |
| @Haarg | that kind of stuff is rather a pain to benchmark | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | another option would be to remove single quotes at the beginning and end in International.pm, but that's kind of kludgy | 00:27 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | or to do it in Macro/International | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which is less kludgy, which is the same as less crappy | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | still pretty bad though | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | because it doesn't really fix the problem | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate to change the macro processor because I wrote a bad test that allowed us to write bad i18n calls | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | well, it's not just that | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | people wrote the i18n calls like that because they expected them to work | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | so aside from the fact that it makes the regexes uglier i think it's a good idea to support single quotes | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll yield | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | bad day | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | broken code | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | broken tests | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and a son with an I/O redirection problem | 00:39 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | ? | 00:40 |
| daviddelikat | I am writing a new module and I need some advice for where to put it in the WF NS | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | need to switch to full Dad mode. I'll be back on later. Haarg, thanks for all your code, patience and help. | 00:40 |
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| daviddelikat | WG NS | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | ok | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | what kind of code? | 00:41 |
| daviddelikat | the module checks the prams of a HTTP request to see if the client is a human or a machine | 00:41 |
| daviddelikat | used to avoid sending ads to spider and such | 00:41 |
| @Haarg | well | 00:42 |
| @Haarg | might make sense to put it in Session::Env | 00:42 |
| @Haarg | or another Session class | 00:42 |
| @Haarg | *one of the other | 00:42 |
| daviddelikat | that is what I was thinking | 00:43 |
| daviddelikat | right now I called it Session::CheckClient | 00:43 |
| daviddelikat | itexports a function called requestNotViewed | 00:45 |
| * daviddelikat assuming silence == OK | 00:48 | |
| @Haarg | exports? | 00:49 |
| daviddelikat | use Exporter | 00:49 |
| @Haarg | maybe pastebin the code | 00:50 |
| daviddelikat | k | 00:50 |
| daviddelikat | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d373485bb | 00:51 |
| daviddelikat | I can put mor eif you like | 00:52 |
| @Haarg | oh, yeah i meant the whole thing | 00:52 |
| daviddelikat | ok it will take a bit longer I have to ftch it from my linux vm... | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | it sounds like something to stick in Env to me, and we don't ever really use exporter on stuff normally | 00:53 |
| daviddelikat | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d15635dac | 00:55 |
| daviddelikat | I can change the export part easily enough as well as move it around | 00:56 |
| daviddelikat | the dav::log stuff is just temporary for debugging... | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | well, if this is for webgui core i would say it goes in Env | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | and to just be methods on that, avoiding the exporter stuff | 00:58 |
| daviddelikat | OK, is the rest of the name OK? | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9625 /WebGUI/t/ (i18n/template.t lib/WebGUI/Macro/Callback.pm): adjust template i18n test to use the real macro parser | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9626 /WebGUI/t/ (International.t supporting_collateral/WebGUI.pm): Add a check for keys with spaces. | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9627 /WebGUI/t/i18n/template.t: Handle the case when CODE_COP=0 | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | the sub naming should be fine | 00:59 |
| daviddelikat | you want me to put the subroutines in the Env module then | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | i would say yes | 01:00 |
| daviddelikat | sounds good | 01:00 |
| daviddelikat | another question: | 01:00 |
| daviddelikat | one of the items I'm changing requires single quotes inside a string which is single quote delimited ( it already has double quotes ) | 01:01 |
| daviddelikat | so with out changing the main quotyes I have to use '\'' | 01:02 |
| daviddelikat | is this the prefered way to do it? | 01:02 |
| daviddelikat | or should I change the outside quotes? | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | depends on how much of that you are doing | 01:02 |
| daviddelikat | it is a ~very~ long string | 01:02 |
| @Haarg | if it's more than a couple i'd change it to q{} | 01:02 |
| daviddelikat | it would be two strings and two quotes each | 01:03 |
| daviddelikat | part of what Im wondering is how far can/should I go to make this code readable? | 01:04 |
| daviddelikat | I prefer not to work with run-on lines ( more than 200 characters long ) but sometimes it is undesirable to change code that works jhust for maintanability | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | changing it is fine most likely | 01:05 |
| daviddelikat | OK the I will make it look pretty... (by hand) | 01:05 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9628 /WebGUI/t/ProfileCategory.t: Add a quick, 1-off profile category test. | 01:35 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9629 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 05:57 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Move template variable generation back into prepareView in the GalleryAlbum, so | 05:57 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: that scripts are properly put into the HEAD block of a page. | 05:57 |
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| elnino | I probably asked this already long ago, but don't remember... when is paypal coming approximately? | 07:11 |
| elnino | paypal for the e-commerce portion that is. | 07:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9630 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): Fix API problems with adding a new payment gateway. | 20:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | dapperedodo, thanks for the PayDriver patch! | 20:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9631 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the Account/Inbox template so that the select all button works. | 21:53 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9632 /branch/crop/www/extras/yui/build/fonts/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Needed for the crop utility. | 21:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9633 /branch/crop/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm: First try at resize of an image. | 22:49 |
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| --- Day changed Mon Feb 23 2009 | ||
| +perlDreamer | what say, BartJol? | 00:21 |
| +BartJol | say what? | 00:22 |
| +BartJol | good evening | 00:22 |
| +BartJol | did evrything worked out friday? | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | With SynQ? Oh yes | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | we fixed his little red wagon | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | also known as the WRE with MySQL 5.1 | 00:23 |
| +BartJol | great and all perl modules up to date | 00:23 |
| +BartJol | ? | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | The tests run fine, so I'll have to say yes. | 00:24 |
| +BartJol | and I might have to continue my work on the language setting stuff | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you mean translating, or something else? | 00:26 |
| +BartJol | my presentation will be on internationalisation | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | for the WUC? Cool! | 00:26 |
| +BartJol | no, be able to change the language of a session (mostly visitor) | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | and there is only 1 thing that's not great, so, I'll try to make a solution for that | 00:27 |
| +BartJol | but I had some caching issues | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you know that Haarg recently made some changes to International.pm? In 7.6.13? | 00:30 |
| +BartJol | nope | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | might be worth a look at if you're working in the 7.6 branch | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | he sped up the International calls by 143% | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | nothing that should effect users once we get the bugs dealt with though | 00:31 |
| +BartJol | oh, that might decraese the caching stuff | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | If BartJol found a way to give individual Visitors language choices, though, I'd guess that International.pm is involved | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, are there more bugs than the one we found yesterday? | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | nope | 00:32 |
| +BartJol | I'm not sure | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | just haven't fix that one yet | 00:32 |
| +BartJol | I'd have to read the international.pm doc | 00:33 |
| +BartJol | well, the language is given to international.pm | 00:37 |
| +BartJol | first I need some more tests | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | tests | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of tests | 00:38 |
| * perlDreamer goes to buy large quantities of drywall | 00:39 | |
| +BartJol | well, before the tests, I also make it do what I want | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | Haarg I suppose the changes in International are somewhere in the svn? but it seems to be changed t2 days ago, not yesterday | 00:50 |
| +BartJol | sorry, you hadn't fixed it, it's late here | 00:55 |
| +BartJol | mmm, it still kinda works | 01:29 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer: are you back? | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I am back | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, did you go to sleep? | 02:02 |
| +BartJol | not yet | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Did you have a question for me? | 02:03 |
| +BartJol | allthough, I am inclined to go | 02:03 |
| +BartJol | something to show | 02:03 |
| +BartJol | on www.bartjol.nl | 02:03 |
| +BartJol | if you click on setlanguage test, you should see the session language switch | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I see a link called Nedrelands | 02:04 |
| +BartJol | but the click here to register is still in dutch? | 02:05 |
| +BartJol | that link is just badly typed | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | It is in English | 02:05 |
| +BartJol | the visitor language is dutch! | 02:05 |
| +BartJol | so it kinda works | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Does it autodetect using IP address? | 02:05 |
| +BartJol | no | 02:06 |
| +BartJol | on that page, there is a macro | 02:06 |
| +BartJol | and that changes the session language | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | how does the user interact with it, to change the language? | 02:08 |
| +BartJol | but my intention was that it should only be executed after clicking that link you mentioned | 02:08 |
| +BartJol | so, the caching seems to be rather ok | 02:08 |
| +BartJol | only the moment of execution not | 02:09 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I have the macro put on the dutchisms page to, but there it switches to dutch\ | 02:12 |
| +BartJol | if you click back and forth, you see it works, but only if you go to the next page | 02:13 |
| +BartJol | but still, pretty cool eh? | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yes! | 02:15 |
| +BartJol | I have some stuff build in that should reload the page with the new language and empty the cache, so going back to an already visited page should not give problems | 02:17 |
| +BartJol | but that eats some server resources off course and doesn't work quite as desired | 02:18 |
| +BartJol | yet | 02:18 |
| +BartJol | maybe there's a way to just only reevaluate the International parts... | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think the cache is so fine grained. | 02:22 |
| +BartJol | well, reading some code doesn't harm me | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no, indeed | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to pack it in for today. Catch you later. | 02:25 |
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| +BartJol | me too, see you later | 02:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9634 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 02:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: added code and test suite for a series of functions that | 02:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: identify non-human web clients so that advertising can | 02:34 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: eliminate ghost impressions and ghost clicks | 02:34 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, thoughts on an env variable to enable/disable 'live' tests? | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | live tests? Like mech tests? | 06:14 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I had a thought, but it's kind of out there | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd rather have them in a completely different branch altogether | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from that, I'd say WEBGUI_MECH is a good env var name | 06:15 |
| @Haarg | default to enabled? | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | defaults to off | 06:16 |
| @Haarg | ok, sounds good to me | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | The reason I'd like to see them off to the side is for Apache::Test | 06:17 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Or some kind of automatic start a server with blank site setup | 06:19 |
| +perlDreamer | It's just the first thing I think of | 06:19 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 06:19 |
| @Haarg | would be a decent idea probably | 06:19 |
| +perlDreamer | How do i push this new branch up to github for you to look at? | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | git push branchName .... ? | 06:23 |
| @Haarg | git push origin branchname | 06:23 |
| @Haarg | or replace origin with whatever you named the remote | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's origin | 06:23 |
| @Haarg | also, i benchmarked the macro change | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh? | 06:24 |
| @Haarg | and it's faster to copy the quote section and change it to a single quote | 06:24 |
| @Haarg | than to use a conditional | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but uglier looking | 06:25 |
| @Haarg | niether slows it down a ton | 06:25 |
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| CIA-46 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie colin_topics * r2e4a5be / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : Fix UID, GID problems and sticky bits. - http://bit.ly/rXAiJ | 06:25 |
| @Haarg | i don't know about uglier | 06:25 |
| @Haarg | the conditional thing is pretty ugly | 06:25 |
| @Haarg | both ways are really, that's stretching what is reasonable to do with regex | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:26 |
| @Haarg | i think i'll go with the copy approach though | 06:26 |
| @Haarg | heh, silly copy/paste mistake i had there | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I had thought the problem was in my new custom config option | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but i was forgetting to put --uploads on the command line | 06:28 |
| @Haarg | i18n stuff should be fixed now | 06:33 |
| @Haarg | committed the macro parser change | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll try that out in a bit | 06:33 |
| @Haarg | test all pass | 06:34 |
| @Haarg | *tests | 06:34 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie colin_topics * r2c8010f / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : | 06:35 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Document .wgdevcfg in POD. | 06:35 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Note, this does not show up in --help, only with perldoc. The | 06:35 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: mini POD parser has defeated me. - http://bit.ly/JDty8 | 06:35 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie colin_topics * r1988d92 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : Handle empty or missing .wgdevcfg files. - http://bit.ly/A8eya | 06:35 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie colin_topics * rf01590a / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : Add a custom mode to Reset, defined in .wgdevcfg - http://bit.ly/gdtie | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I think there may be an issue with delcache, too | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | since it's at the bottom, it always wins | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | defaults should be at the top, and then overridden by subsequent options? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Reset.pm, parse_params | 06:36 |
| @Haarg | the call to SUPER::parse_params means anything on the command line gets priority over defaults | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, cool | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you think of --custom? | 06:37 |
| @Haarg | well, i had a similar but different idea | 06:38 |
| @Haarg | i was thinking of 'profile' option | 06:38 |
| @Haarg | so --profile=fast | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, it would be really easy to extend what I wrote to do that | 06:39 |
| @Haarg | then you would specify in the config file {profiles}{fast} = '--no-upload --other-option' | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and then pass that through GetOpt::Long? | 06:40 |
| @Haarg | it could be done as a hash as well, but it seems like just specifying the command line options would be more natural | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it would keep just 1 set of syntax | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's GetOptionsFromString | 06:42 |
| @Haarg | well, i'd probably pass it through the normal WGDev::Command::Base command line processing in some way | 06:42 |
| @Haarg | i wouldn't trust GetOptionsFromString - the from array version doesn't exist on the wre's getopt::long | 06:43 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9635 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm t/Macro.t): allow single quote delimiters for macro parameters | 06:44 |
| @Haarg | i'm probably going change how WGDev->new works so i can support loading config options before it has a webgui root/config file known | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, does adding the /o switch to the Macro regexp speed it up at all? | 07:05 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure | 07:07 |
| @Haarg | i wouldn't really expect it to | 07:07 |
| daviddelikat | WG Shopping is ~very~ cool!! | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | What do you like about it, daviddelikat? | 07:10 |
| daviddelikat | I've just discored itv | 07:11 |
| daviddelikat | i did not expect it to be so eary | 07:11 |
| daviddelikat | discovered it... | 07:11 |
| * daviddelikat very sleepy | 07:11 | |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9636 /WebGUI/t/Session/CheckClient.t: fixed postfix object notation | 07:20 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, I see a link to a forum post that doen't work | 16:33 |
| +BartJol | I submitted a bug report | 16:33 |
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| +BartJol | is the webgui.org user aman here? | 17:14 |
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| +BartJol | Am I mistaken or works the caching flush(from Cache.pm) method only for filecache? | 18:28 |
| +BartJol | It seems strange to me' | 18:29 |
| @Haarg | it flushes the temp uploads directory | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | the subclasses handle clearing the actual cache | 18:31 |
| +BartJol | ah | 18:32 |
| +BartJol | ok | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, who is paying you to advertise for TT? | 18:35 |
| @frodwith | Paying? I can get paid for that? | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | TT in Assen? | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I think I hit the 7 key a few too many times. | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | heh | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | But I do use group sticky, which makes sure that both me and Apache can write to uploads | 18:41 |
| @Haarg | ok | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I must be the only person who does dev/testing as himself | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | i do, but apache runs as me | 18:43 |
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| @Haarg | so you are referring to 4000 then? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | setgid, yes | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | g+s | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | i'll change it to try to use 7777 for directory creation then | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | how did you create that pod btw? somehow some utf8 stuff got i there | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | some of it was pasted from your email, the rest was just vim | 18:47 |
| @Haarg | non breaking spaces is my guess, i didn't double check | 18:47 |
| @Haarg | odd | 18:47 |
| @Haarg | must be from mail i guess | 18:47 |
| zylopfa | I have a question about the paypal paymentdriver i make | 18:48 |
| zylopfa | Paypal offer many possibilities for integration, one where you put payment buttons etc. and utilize postback | 18:49 |
| zylopfa | but there are also another way where paypal is not mentioned at all in the eyes of the user | 18:50 |
| zylopfa | where you can use paypal behind the curtains to authorize payments | 18:50 |
| zylopfa | this one cost $ pr month and a setup fee | 18:50 |
| zylopfa | Which one should i provide with my payment driver? | 18:51 |
| zylopfa | I was thinking about the free one that all users sign up for normally | 18:51 |
| zylopfa | where i let the paymentdrive make the checkout button and handle the callback / verification | 18:51 |
| zylopfa | Any thoughts on this? | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, I see the advantages of both. | 18:52 |
| zylopfa | yeah the first one is about $50 pr month fee from paypal | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | when you say postback, you mean it takes you offsite to paypal, then returns you to this site? | 18:52 |
| zylopfa | yeah like this MySite_Paymentbutton -> PaypalSite_Creditcard_details > mysite for "thanks for buying" page | 18:53 |
| zylopfa | and then behind the scenes paypal post to an url with the details of the transaction | 18:53 |
| zylopfa | Its the same system as ITransact has, more or less | 18:54 |
| zylopfa | and all others like CCbill and Stormpay | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | The ITransact works more like the PayPal where you have to pay to use it. Everything stays on this site. | 18:54 |
| zylopfa | Yeah thats correct | 18:55 |
| zylopfa | Sadly ITransact is limited to USA | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, I was mainly referring to the style of the payment driver. | 18:55 |
| zylopfa | Its just ecpensive for me to develop the part where you pay paypal | 18:55 |
| zylopfa | As I do it only for the community | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | There are many RFEs asking for paypal integration in WebGUI. You could ask questions on them, and see what people want. | 18:56 |
| zylopfa | Yeah | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I would guess the free one, but maybe people will develop both? | 18:56 |
| @preaction | i haven't seen mrhairgrease in a while | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | which means you get to choose which one you want to do :) | 18:56 |
| @preaction | i think he's working on a paypal paydriver for webgui | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, he was here Friday, and on the weekend. | 18:56 |
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| zylopfa | But I will make the free version, with subscription support first and then put it on the bazaar to see what people thing | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 18:57 |
| zylopfa | Its not hard do make as i have just finished developing one for a danish clearing house | 18:57 |
| zylopfa | So i am very much into the api for webgui | 18:57 |
| zylopfa | perlDreamer, if webgui offers the payed version, integrated into webgu. You get a link on paypal | 18:58 |
| zylopfa | that Webgui supports it | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | advertising WebGUI is always good | 18:58 |
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| zylopfa | its with companies like Sun, IBM, Oracle and other biggies | 18:58 |
| zylopfa | and SAP | 18:59 |
| zylopfa | I will request access to a sandbox environment, I hope you can do this without paying the $300 setup fee and $50 monthly fee | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd think they'd give you a sandbox for free | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it only encourages people to make drivers for their site | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and, as preaction mentioned, you may want to post to the developer list to make sure you're not duplicating what MrHairgrease is doing | 19:00 |
| zylopfa | I looked through it this day and i found you had to make an account first on the commercial part, which includes signing up for the service | 19:00 |
| zylopfa | But that MrHairgreas has been on it for years now | 19:01 |
| zylopfa | so i decided to make it myself | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | impatience _is_ a perl virtue | 19:01 |
| zylopfa | not because i will use paypal,but for others to be able to use it on thier webgui sites | 19:02 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9637 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (WebGUI.pm Account_Inbox.pm): Update from translation server | 19:10 |
| +BartJol | cool russian webgui! | 19:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: there's another busted post, and this one doesn't look like it was emailed | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the right nav on webgui.org, Bernd's follow-up post about VMWare | 19:30 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Anyone have any fun WebGUI presentations that would fit in at a pop culture conference? There are 1,500 presenters and I'm sure some of them will not show up, so maybe I could get something interesting in. | 20:08 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: perhaps Martin's presentation on the graphing API? | 20:10 |
| @preaction | check out webgui.tv, most of the presentations are there | 20:10 |
| @preaction | Colin's code quality presentation was fun, but not sure if that'll meet your audience | 20:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: hmm, that is a good idea. I'll check that out and rewatch Martin's. It was quite fun. | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | how about Martin's ACME talk from 2007? | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | good demonstrations | 20:11 |
| @preaction | yeah, was just gonna mention that one | 20:11 |
| @preaction | a big, scary head bouncing around the screen | 20:12 |
| @preaction | Steve's presentations are generally fun | 20:13 |
| @preaction | (Steve Swanson) | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | there's this module I've been wanting to write for a long time | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Interational | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I know that I want this module, because I keep typing its name | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | now, if only I knew what it was supposed to do... | 20:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oohhh, kristi's on community is definitely in the vein of what I'm looking for. | 20:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Hah, that pic of Martin with his Contributor of the year award if awesome. | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | he's got tons of class | 20:23 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: kristi did a good one on "Writing for the web" too | 20:25 |
| @preaction | we keep asking her to reprise it for another WUC, that's how awesome it was | 20:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'll dig that one up | 20:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: you know which year tha twas? | 20:26 |
| @preaction | i want to say that was 07 as well | 20:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, found it, thanks | 20:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | If you don't give a definition property a tab, does it show up in display, or not show up at all? I'm trying to add a def property that is hidden. | 20:49 |
| @preaction | it doesn't show up at all | 20:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, probably easy enough to test.....oh,, okkay, thanks | 20:50 |
| @preaction | i think, but TIAS | 20:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | FYI, it shows up in the properties tab. | 20:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | [none|hidden] don't work either. | 20:54 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: you want fieldType=>"hidden" | 20:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: so the actual column type in the DB doesn't matter then.....which makes sense I guess because the autogen form won't be used on it. | 20:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | sweet, work.s | 20:56 |
| @preaction | it doesn't have to show up in the form. autoGenerate => 0 <- in the definition | 20:56 |
| @preaction | in the field definition | 20:56 |
| @preaction | also, noForm => 0 will prevent "processPropertiesFromFormPost()" from trying to process it | 20:56 |
| @preaction | these are covered in the Asset chapter of the Dev Guide | 20:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I was just looking through that...must have misse dit. | 20:57 |
| @preaction | perhaps at the end in the "Tips" section? | 20:57 |
| @preaction | i do remember writing it | 20:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | the books says 'noFormPost'. | 20:58 |
| @preaction | crap | 20:59 |
| @preaction | that may or may not be right | 20:59 |
| +perlmonkey2 | autoGenerateForms is also in the book | 20:59 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But I'm pretty sure it is autoGenerate (since that is currently working for me). | 20:59 |
| @preaction | autoGenerate is for individual elements, autoGenerateForms is for the whole thing | 21:00 |
| +perlmonkey2 | well nothing was clobbered with noForm, so I'm guessing it works. | 21:01 |
| @preaction | could you do me a favor and post a bug about the book? | 21:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: sure, if you are sure it is a bug. Hmm, just sec, I'll set it to noFormPost and see if it clobbers the value. | 21:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: the book is correct. noFormPost => 1 is the correct syntax. | 21:08 |
| @preaction | ok, good, thanks | 21:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | de nada | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | what is with the wiki spam? | 21:17 |
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| zylopfa | perlDreamer, I have some corrections to the developer book | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | zylopfa, please file them as bugs on the bug board | 21:27 |
| zylopfa | ok :) | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | my powers for fixing bugs are limited to code, to fix books, you must invoke a higher power, She Who Does Not Tolerate Grammatical Errors | 21:28 |
| @bopbop | although she's known to make some herself... : / | 21:30 |
| @bopbop | got the boys' postcards from my son's teacher... finally | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | cool :) | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I had a really awesome experience with Peter last week | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | We went to a Metra area transportation open house | 21:31 |
| @bopbop | cool | 21:31 |
| @bopbop | did they let you see the "guts" of the operation? | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and Peter got talk one on one with a transit planner for about half an hour | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | She was kind of blown away that he designs light rail routes for fun. | 21:31 |
| @bopbop | I bet | 21:32 |
| @bopbop | probably made her day too | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure. | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | He's invited back to make a presentation to her group | 21:32 |
| @bopbop | wow | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Afterwards, he was just bouncing he was so happy. | 21:33 |
| @bopbop | oh, I'm sure | 21:33 |
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| @bopbop | my son is hoping to meet up with a paleontologist soon | 21:33 |
| @bopbop | didi I spell that right? | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so | 21:33 |
| @bopbop | anyway, he wants to dig for bones | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as he doesn't practice in the flower beds ;) | 21:34 |
| @bopbop | yeah | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | there's gotta be one in the U of W he could talk to | 21:34 |
| @bopbop | I'm keeping my eyes on some of the Chicago or Minneapolis museums- sometimes they have cool programs in the summer | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | they're not that far away, either | 21:35 |
| @bopbop | there's a smaller museum about a half hour south too, where Jane the T Rex is right now I think | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you seen those dinosaur brick kits? | 21:35 |
| @bopbop | yeah, we've gone through a couple | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | red dust everywhere... | 21:36 |
| @bopbop | they're tough- I took a meat tenderizer to one | 21:36 |
| @bopbop | whack whack | 21:36 |
| dreamersgirl | gotta watch out for you, girl! | 21:36 |
| @bopbop | good tension reliever :) | 21:36 |
| dreamersgirl | i would NEVER make it as an archaeologist | 21:36 |
| @bopbop | it looks kind of boring, I think | 21:36 |
| dreamersgirl | i like meat tenderizers, too | 21:36 |
| @bopbop | much faster :) | 21:37 |
| * perlDreamer starts to look worriedly around... | 21:37 | |
| dreamersgirl | unfortunately, bones and old cool stuff do not | 21:37 |
| dreamersgirl | don't worry. your guard cat will protect you, pD | 21:37 |
| @bopbop | big tough guy | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, he does a better job than the dog | 21:37 |
| @bopbop | do you have a dog? | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | anyone who breaks into the house had better be prepared to play fetch until he dies | 21:38 |
| @bopbop | ;) | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Two cats, 1 dog, two kids, 3 laptops, | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 tuba | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | my wife pointed out that she wasn't mentioned in the list | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I reminded her that she's not a pet, or property | 21:39 |
| @bopbop | 1 meat tenderizer yielding wife | 21:39 |
| @preaction | so which does the kids fall under? property? | 21:39 |
| @bopbop | debt | 21:40 |
| @preaction | long-term mortgage at 0% interest? | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, they get more expensive as time goes by | 21:40 |
| @preaction | well, they'll have 0% interest in you in 20 years anyway | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | until they need money, food, or laundry | 21:41 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Anyone have a guess on why a definition property (json text field) isn't being copied when the asset is copied. Just doens't make sens.e | 22:40 |
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| @Haarg | this a survey thing? | 22:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: yep | 22:41 |
| @Haarg | current rfe branch? | 22:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I've added the surveyJSON field as a property. Yes, current rfe branch. But I haven't checked in my property change. | 22:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I commented out all the overloads which used to do the copying/exporting/importing. | 22:42 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | self->update({}) is the approved way of updating a property? | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | yes | 23:21 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 04:09 |
| @preaction | hi hi! | 04:10 |
| * SquOnk is in a low productivity holiday :-/ | 04:11 | |
| @preaction | yay? | 04:11 |
| SquOnk | I was looking forward to this loooong weekend to try and hack stuff, yet I've been unable... | 04:12 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9640 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AdSpace.pm: fixing a syntax error in WebGUI/AdSpace.pm | 04:40 |
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| +Radix-wrk | "... and some 25 percent [of people in the USA] don't use the Internet at all -- one of whom said, "what do you want the Internet for? It's a fad -- just like CB radio in the '70s." | 06:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/surprise-america-is-no-1-in-broadband/?hp | 06:26 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9641 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm: fixed ukplayer in Matrix Listing view | 07:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9641 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm: fixed ukplayer in Matrix Listing view | 08:41 |
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| zylopfa | I have a thing i'd like to see in webgui, its not so much but a bit of a thing that i can use / maybe make also | 11:15 |
| zylopfa | Its when you do "mail users in this group" in the group administration | 11:16 |
| +BartJol | yes | 11:16 |
| zylopfa | I'd like the message you send out to be able to be templated | 11:16 |
| zylopfa | so you choose a template | 11:16 |
| zylopfa | and then write whatever message in the textarea field | 11:16 |
| +BartJol | sorry, I was distracted by my work ;) | 11:20 |
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| +BartJol | zylopfa: well, that should be edited | 11:23 |
| +BartJol | you just want to have html? | 11:23 |
| +BartJol | s/edited/added | 11:24 |
| +BartJol | so you need an extra form field | 11:25 |
| +BartJol | no, not html, it's already a rich editor, allthough a template would be nice instead of copy paste the style | 11:26 |
| zylopfa | yeah BartJol | 11:28 |
| zylopfa | and its not so hard to make | 11:28 |
| +BartJol | no | 11:28 |
| zylopfa | mostly all other things are templated as it is | 11:28 |
| +BartJol | you only have the e-mail footer in the settings | 11:29 |
| +BartJol | well, you might wanna submt an rfe for that | 11:29 |
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| zylopfa | yeah will do! | 11:30 |
| zylopfa | brb | 11:30 |
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| +BartJol | oh no | 12:19 |
| ryuu_ro | @BartJol: something going wrong there? | 12:21 |
| +BartJol | no, it's you | 12:22 |
| ryuu_ro | I really don't like you :D | 12:22 |
| +BartJol | :) | 12:33 |
| +BartJol | I helped bepo | 12:33 |
| ryuu_ro | good for you | 12:34 |
| +BartJol | from the eye circles into the canal | 12:37 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9642 /branch/adSkuProject: Ad Sku for selling advertising through WebGUI online shopping | 17:31 |
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| zylopfa | I have an idea for a wobject | 18:02 |
| zylopfa | making a wobject to integrate an sms gatewat into webgui | 18:03 |
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| ckotil | Id use it. | 18:07 |
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| daviddelikat | where is the mysql log file? | 19:41 |
| deafferret | locate mysqld.log ? | 19:43 |
| daviddelikat | no results | 19:44 |
| daviddelikat | ill try find... | 19:45 |
| deafferret | locate mysql | grep log ? | 19:47 |
| daviddelikat | nope | 19:49 |
| @Haarg | it's usually in the mysql data dir | 19:50 |
| daviddelikat | foundn it | 19:51 |
| daviddelikat | thanks for your help | 19:54 |
| deafferret | daviddelikat: where? | 19:54 |
| daviddelikat | in /data/wre/var/mysqldata | 19:55 |
| deafferret | what filename? | 19:55 |
| daviddelikat | it is named for the hostname of the site | 19:55 |
| * deafferret grunts | 19:56 | |
| daviddelikat | localhost.localdomain.err | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | f00li5h[hireme], that is great advertising | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | What do you do that we should hire you to do | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 04:23 |
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| @preaction | he's a Perl programmer, that much I know | 04:31 |
| @preaction | he's also a cat | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | perl programming cats | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 04:31 |
| @preaction | perlbot: meow | 04:32 |
| perlbot | =^_^= | 04:32 |
| @preaction | perlbot: f00li5h | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I have learned two things about hanging drywall today | 04:32 |
| perlbot | f00li5h is a #perl cat (see: cats), looking for a perl/webdev position (see: f00li5h-resume). f00li5h offers no warranty outside those granted by law, but does offers his couch (in .au) to local and international cats. | 04:32 |
| @preaction | that drywall is heavy, and dusty? | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Any drywall project takes 2X as long as you think it should | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Panel lifters are a blessing from God. | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: cats | 04:32 |
| perlbot | cats are awesome furry creatures. Resident #perl cats are f00li5h, pkrumins, Altreus and rindolf. For indepth cat-related conversation see #perl-cats | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: f00li5h-resume | 04:33 |
| perlbot | knows jawnsy, #perl cat for >3 years, perlmonk, FOOLISH on cpan. Helpful, friendly, purist and zealot, up front. Catalyst, CGI, Template::Toolkit, CGI::FormBuilder, Module::Starter, DBI, DBIx::Class. prefers pg flavour, but has tasted mysql/informix/oracle. has pawed at Moose. local to .au but lives in a shell | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and hangs out in #webgui | 04:34 |
| @preaction | for solidarity's sake i thinks | 04:34 |
| @preaction | we being the most awesome software on the face of the planet | 04:34 |
| @preaction | well, perhaps in lower-earth orbit as well | 04:34 |
| @preaction | but not upper orbit or geosyncronous orbit | 04:35 |
| @preaction | those're some haughty softwares | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to get on the debian satellite, then we can claim interstellar, as well | 04:35 |
| @preaction | perlbot hawkaloogie | 04:36 |
| perlbot | <hawkaloogie> my goal in life is to create the first CPAN mirror on the moon! | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I heard that hawkaloogie was a website... | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't know he had an IRC nick, too | 04:37 |
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| f00li5h[hireme] | perlDreamer: I do that some times | 04:44 |
| +perlDreamer | good luck on the job hunting. It's tough out there. | 04:45 |
| * perlDreamer switches from programmer to Daddy mode | 04:46 | |
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| +perlDaddy | be back in 90 minutes or so | 04:46 |
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| +perlDaddy | winemonkey: I bring tidings of Survey job :) | 06:06 |
| +perlDaddy | joy | 06:06 |
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| +perlDaddy | Haarg: Late release tonight? | 06:51 |
| @preaction | no, there's just one branch, so it happens wednesday | 06:53 |
| +perlDaddy | gotcha | 06:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | (Tuesday + Thursday) / 2 = Wednesday | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, the spammers are having revenge on us | 07:10 |
| @preaction | yay! | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | when things are deleted from the wiki, they say "ohhh, God. Help me (deleted)" | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | how do they do that? | 07:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9643 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the Survey Asset definition, and add hoverhelp. | 08:11 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9644 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTMLForm.pm): Remove a dangling double quote in the HTMLForm table inside of the fieldset. | 08:11 |
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| daviddelikat | rizen have you had a chance to peak at the fix for the advertising bug? | 17:06 |
| @rizen | no, i don't peek | 17:06 |
| @rizen | i'll attempt to look at it sometime this week | 17:07 |
| +BartJol | kaleb, what have you done? | 17:07 |
| @rizen | i have to look at some other people's fixes as well | 17:07 |
| daviddelikat | ok I just wanted to make sure it was on the list. | 17:07 |
| +hungoverMonkey | BartJol: eh? What else did I break? | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | I had a vary nice valuable statue in my home, made by the inca's, you demolished that! | 17:10 |
| +hungoverMonkey | BartJol: wow, last night was wilder than I thought. | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | apparently you were far out | 17:11 |
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| +hungoverMonkey | BartJol: if I made it across the pond, something more than alcohol was involved. | 17:12 |
| +BartJol | banana's? | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | hungoverMonkey: what a painfull silence, explain | 17:25 |
| deafferret | Huh? My story? Okay. It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi. | 17:28 |
| +BartJol | eeh | 17:34 |
| +BartJol | that doesn't sound too bad | 17:35 |
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| +BartJol | except the poor part | 17:40 |
| +hungoverMonkey | BartJol: the Mississippi part is pretty bad. | 17:49 |
| +BartJol | oh | 17:50 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer is a slacker....late for work. | 18:06 |
| +BartJol | does he have a boss? | 18:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no, but he's still late. | 18:07 |
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| daviddelikat | you can only be late if you have someone who can fire you for it... | 18:07 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2: and you have a pin probably | 18:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | deafferret: was that Steve Martin? | 18:08 |
| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: pin? | 18:08 |
| +BartJol | yes, like a thing that you toss over with bowling | 18:08 |
| +BartJol | the dutch word for that is the same as for smelling like you have been drinking | 18:09 |
| +BartJol | dutchisms | 18:10 |
| +BartJol | allthough cone sounds better | 18:10 |
| deafferret | perlmonkey2: ya | 18:10 |
| deafferret | The Jerk | 18:10 |
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| daviddelikat | rizen: I'm going through the design for the AdSku and I need to add some fields to the Asset Colateral, do you want me to run the changes by you first or just make it go? | 18:22 |
| @rizen | yes please | 18:23 |
| daviddelikat | would you rather use email? | 18:24 |
| @rizen | yes please, document the complete list of changes in an email | 18:24 |
| @rizen | and i'll respond before the end of the day to you | 18:24 |
| daviddelikat | ok, will do | 18:24 |
| @rizen | and probably sooner | 18:24 |
| daviddelikat | today | 18:24 |
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| topsub | Hey guys, i am have an issue with IE when i turn admin on, the page doesn't like re render and the admin bar is covered by flash and the dragable areas are behind it. | 19:29 |
| topsub | If i resize the browser just a little bit it fixes. Any Hints or ideas? | 19:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | topsub: any css/js errors showing? | 19:33 |
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| * SDuensin is just popping in to say "Hi!" | 19:35 | |
| topsub | perlmonkey2, not that i can see. Everything seems fine. The flash header lays on top of the admin bar.. Its werid. | 19:37 |
| topsub | All i have to do is move the window just a lil bit and everything pops into place | 19:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | topsub: hmm, the normal ways I'd use to start debugging that all involve firebug.......How does it look in firefox? just fine/ | 19:39 |
| topsub | ya its fine with firefox | 19:41 |
| topsub | Only with IE we have this rendering issue when admin is on and the page loads | 19:41 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9645 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Survey.pm now has surveyJSON as a normal definition property, which is also versioned. Survey Responses are not versioned, so updating a survey can cause errors with ongoing responses. | 21:23 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat, you around? | 21:43 |
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| Lisette | how to get all articles of my site? | 22:16 |
| +danny_mk | Quick question. Is there a reason that there is not DatePicker macro? | 22:51 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9646 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Env.pm t/International.t): test fix | 23:22 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9647 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.13 release | 23:22 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9648 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.13-stable: Release 7.6.13-stable | 23:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9649 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.14 dev | 00:29 |
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| +cap10morgan | I'm trying to use LWP::UserAgent from a custom asset, but when it tries to connect to a URL, I get a 500 Can't connect error, and the error message is "No such file or directory". This is even on http://localhost (yes there's a web server running on port 80). The code works fine when I execute it via a utility script, just not in mod_perl. Any ideas what's going on there? | 01:44 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9650 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed: IE6 shows Admin Bar over Asset Manager | 02:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9651 /branch/crop/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Another checkpoint. | 02:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9652 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTMLForm.pm: Remove another double quote in HTMLForm. | 07:55 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9653 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n problem in the Asset_Search namespace. | 07:55 |
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| +BartJol | hee tavisto, already made the comic :) | 15:51 |
| @tavisto | I haven't made it yet :) | 15:54 |
| +BartJol | too bad | 15:55 |
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| @tavisto | who was responsible for: "fixed AdSpace bug: impressions and clicks for most non-human web clients will not be counted" in the latest 7.6 release? | 16:21 |
| @tavisto | you are my hero! | 16:21 |
| +BartJol | it was daviddelikat\ | 16:22 |
| +BartJol | n | 16:23 |
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| @tavisto | nice, well daviddelikat is the man! | 17:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol, I advise against buying a house | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | they are too much work | 18:16 |
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| +BartJol | :) | 18:19 |
| +BartJol | my will not be an exception to that statement | 18:21 |
| +BartJol | my house | 18:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: petdance is going to switch rakudo.org from Movable Type to Drupal. Any chance you can persuade him to use something else? | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Some perl based CMS, perhaps? | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, dealing with wgdevcfg i'm thinking of changing the format to be like ->{command}{reset} instead of ->{WGDev::Command::e | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | instead of ->{WGDev::Command::Reset} | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | thoughts? | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | mmm googling for perl bases cms gives me an overview with perl based cms-s without WebGUI | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: do you think users will need configuration for things other than the Command subclass? | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | probably not | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | then, why not drop the {command} level of the hash? | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | hm | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | i'd like to keep it flexible, not sure if i can make that make sense from the perspective of WGDev.pm | 18:28 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: talked to him about it at frozen perl | 18:28 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: he's not interested | 18:28 |
| @rizen | i even offered him free hosting of webgui | 18:29 |
| * perlDreamer sighs | 18:29 | |
| +perlDreamer | it's going to make it harder to take over the world if even Perl people won't use WebGIU | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, in that case, the two level vs the one level, hm | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | would it affect the format of the config files? | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | yes | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of Command::Reset: | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be Command:\n\t\tReset: | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | the main reason i'm considering it is to make the config command make more sense | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | so you would do wgd config command.reset.config.copy instead of something like wgd config -c reset.config.copy | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a config command? | 18:35 |
| @Haarg | there will be | 18:35 |
| @tavisto | yeah what the crap, Andy doesn't want to use WebGUI? That's strange. Did he state any reasons? | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, now you have two problems | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol says that googling for perl based CMSes doesn't mention WebGUI | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and perl people won't use it, either | 18:36 |
| +BartJol | well, the first link did not show it | 18:36 |
| @tavisto | Well Tiffany is supposed to be helping us with SEO | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, for command line stuff, brevity really helps | 18:36 |
| @tavisto | I sent an email this morning about it actually | 18:37 |
| @tavisto | I would like to know how many people even search for the keywords "perl content management systems". I'll ask Tiff when she responds | 18:38 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9654 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix another DataForm deletion bug, deleting when there's no storage object. | 18:38 |
| +BartJol | at least 1 :) | 18:39 |
| @rizen | Andy is bullheaded like me | 18:40 |
| @rizen | once he's made up his mind | 18:41 |
| @rizen | there's really no convincing him to do anything else | 18:41 |
| @rizen | the problem was that i was too late in offering | 18:41 |
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| dionak | hi all | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, dionak! | 18:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Tuesday you said you had some good news for me? | 18:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hello dionak | 18:44 |
| dionak | It's been a while. :) | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Survey has hoverhelp and i18n for all asset properties | 18:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you rawk. | 18:48 |
| dionak | I'm looking into the Adspace macro. I need advertisements to open in a new window. Is there an option I'm overlooking? | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i removed one of the things you added to International.t because it was broken and i wasn't sure what you intended | 18:50 |
| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: I have a couple questions for you | 18:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: shoot | 18:51 |
| @bopbop | when creating a question in survey, the question value is synonymous w/ a point value? like if I want to make a quiz with some questions weighted more heavily than others? Or is it something else? | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it was bad breakage. Thanks for catching that. | 18:53 |
| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: my second question is regarding answers. Does the answer value field have to be an integer? And again, what is the value related to exactly? | 18:53 |
| @bopbop | it seems odd to have a question value and an answer value, so I just want to make sure I understand | 18:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: question values are for the entire question. If it was answered correctly or not. Answer values are for assigning different points to different questions. I'll have to look at the reports to see if they can be fractional, but I wouldn't think that would be a problem. | 18:54 |
| @bopbop | ok, thanks | 18:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: but j/s, I'm double checking all this. | 18:55 |
| @bopbop | ok | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak: making popup ads could lose you your committer status :/ | 18:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: hmm, actually answer value was supposed to be extremely flexible. Like say you have a [Yes/No] question, but want 9/10 to represent your Yes and No. But those values can also represent points in a quiz. | 18:58 |
| @bopbop | so, perlmonkey2, I'm still unclear as to why you need both question and answer values... if they both assign point values to the question. Do I need to set a value for both then? | 18:58 |
| dionak | haha, yea. it's for other sites so we don't want users that click on ads to leave the site. | 18:58 |
| @bopbop | hmmm | 18:58 |
| dionak | it's not the pop up you're thinking of... | 18:58 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: the question values would be if you didn't have answer values. Actually this is a bit confusing for me as it looks like the answer values were changed in the preconfigured questions. But the end goal was extreme flexibility with the survey reports determining what everything meant in context. | 18:59 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: I mean, the question values would be *used* if the answer values weren't. | 18:59 |
| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: so a true/false situation would have a question value | 19:00 |
| @bopbop | most likely | 19:00 |
| @bopbop | oh... so it's an either/or- the user can decide if question value or answer value is used | 19:00 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: it would by default, but the report would determine if that was used for this survey. | 19:00 |
| @bopbop | depending on the purpose | 19:00 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yes. | 19:00 |
| @bopbop | hmmm, ok | 19:01 |
| @bopbop | I think | 19:01 |
| @bopbop | :) | 19:01 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: I guess I should look and see what the default reports do with this data. | 19:01 |
| @bopbop | ok, that would be helpful | 19:02 |
| @bopbop | are there any func specs I can get my hands on? | 19:02 |
| @bopbop | it's hard to document this without knowing how it's all supposed to come together | 19:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: but its not really mine anymore. Lots and lots of it have been written by others and I'm don't know how they interpreted params. | 19:02 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i committed the config and import commands for wgdev. also changed where it reads config files from and allow webgui paths to be set in the config file. | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do a pull | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been very, very happy with WGDev | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | although, there is some problem with the permissions popping up. | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the uploads temp directory doesn't get the write bit set | 19:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: for instance, originally the answer value was just the recorded value for that answer. In your SPSS reports, you don't want "Red" or "Yellow" you want a numeral. So the values for incremental. But now they all default to 1. Which mean if you want a non-one value for Red, you have to change it. | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so depending on who gets there first, either WebGUI or WGDev or testing gets unhapy | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | It's probably a local problem | 19:06 |
| @bopbop | what if I do want it to say red? | 19:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: but that value was always supposed to be alterable in case you wanted to use it for a quiz. | 19:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: then either have your report pull the question text or enter red for the value. | 19:06 |
| @bopbop | k | 19:06 |
| @bopbop | how do you get the report to pull the question text? | 19:07 |
| @bopbop | does the person making quiz have to know how to edit the template to do that? | 19:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I guess the reports need their own interface. | 19:07 |
| @bopbop | k | 19:07 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | The morning I set down to write those my svn up showed they'd just been checked in :P | 19:08 |
| @bopbop | perlmonkey2: so, it would be correct if I said that the answer value is what is recorded in the database for reports | 19:08 |
| @bopbop | ? | 19:09 |
| @bopbop | a Yes/No = 1/0 type of thing? | 19:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: I'd probably want to include something about how they are also meant for quiz score values. | 19:09 |
| @bopbop | yeah, I've got that part | 19:09 |
| @bopbop | so, the correct answer gets more point value | 19:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | The original specs were for something that probably doesn't belong in wG. | 19:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | So maybe I should have made everything much more deterministic. | 19:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bopbop: yes, that seems absolutely correct hen. | 19:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | then | 19:10 |
| @bopbop | ok, thx | 19:11 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9655 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix a bug in the paginator where in 10/20 page links the number | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: of pages becomes less than 10/20. | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add lots of Paginator tests to check this. | 20:12 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9656 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a Survey typo in the name of a political party. | 20:12 |
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| @plainhao | can ldap authenticated users reset their webgui passwords? | 20:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't think so | 20:17 |
| @plainhao | getting a 1077 uncallable method error | 20:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | is that an ldap error? | 20:18 |
| @plainhao | nope, webgui | 20:18 |
| @plainhao | is webgui not allowing ldap authenticated users to reset their passwords? | 20:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think it's not possible to do that for users | 20:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | since the whole op=auth stuff queries the authmethod from the user table | 20:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | and uses that to instantiate an auth plugin | 20:19 |
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| @preaction | as far as i know they have to edit their password from the LDAP server | 20:20 |
| @plainhao | ok, so the authmethod needs to be webgui then? | 20:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | my pidgin crapped out | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 20:20 |
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| @plainhao | pidgins tend to do that, right? :) | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can reset pw's through the admin console ig suppose | 20:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's unbelievable how often that thing crashes | 20:21 |
| @plainhao | ok, just that the default error message is a bit cryptic | 20:21 |
| @plainhao | thanks, everyone | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | you see the error in webgui.log? | 20:21 |
| @plainhao | no, in the browser | 20:21 |
| @plainhao | not really user-friendly | 20:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never encountered it | 20:21 |
| @plainhao | especially considering that webgui allows an ldap user to view the reset form | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | pidgin in Fedora is very stable | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer not so in kubuntu | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I have wobbly windows | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I reaaly shouldn't be complaining | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I hear you can see a doctor about that now | 20:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 20:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | here in eurotrashland we've accepted it as a something natural a long time ago =) | 20:23 |
| @preaction | perhaps if you drank less there'd be less wobblying | 20:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 20:26 |
| @preaction | we have wobblying too, but that's because the ground rumbles when we walk | 20:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | the drinking is to help me cope with the wobbling | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 20:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | since alcohol is a muscle relaxant | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it prevent the muscles from making rapid motion | 20:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | uh | 20:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 20:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, that too | 20:27 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the gym | 20:31 | |
| * deafferret eats a fried Twinkie | 20:34 | |
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| * SDuensin wises he could get his IRC client to "ping" in here every time he promotes WebGUI elsewhere. But then he'd likely get kicked for flooding. | 20:56 | |
| deafferret | fear not. I continue to assume your constant pimping. | 21:13 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9658 /translations/German/German/Account_Inbox.pm: Former translation restored. | 21:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9659 /translations/German/German/ (120 files): | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | keep promoting, SDuensin | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's good for all of us | 22:24 |
| SDuensin | I do. I'm going to get the entire world to switch. | 22:25 |
| SDuensin | My only problem is the damn $5 PHP host users. | 22:25 |
| bernd_kz | Oh, yeah PHP is really cheap. | 22:25 |
| bernd_kz | Pre-configured sites are available for a few bucks only. | 22:25 |
| SDuensin | Hey web folks... So far, Safari 4 FTW! | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | bernd_kz, there has been a bunch of bug fixes that could be backported to the 7.5 branch | 22:27 |
| bernd_kz | Cool! | 22:27 |
| bernd_kz | Much work? | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Shouldn't be | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | several 1-line fixes | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I would use the online SVN browser to cherry pick the ones you want | 22:28 |
| bernd_kz | Hm. | 22:28 |
| bernd_kz | How do I know they are 7.5 relevant? | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | good question | 22:28 |
| bernd_kz | The code has changed quite a bit. | 22:29 |
| * perlDreamer thinks for a minute, and asks deafferret to pass him a deep-fried twinkie | 22:29 | |
| bernd_kz | I am always amazed how fast it evolves. | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Survey and Account are 7.6 only | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we could sort through a bunch together tomorrow, if you wish | 22:30 |
| bernd_kz | Would you mind to send me a brief list? | 22:30 |
| bernd_kz | Or is that too much work? | 22:30 |
| bernd_kz | Just perl module and revision? | 22:31 |
| bernd_kz | Otherwise I will never find my way through. | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see what I can do | 22:32 |
| bernd_kz | Tomorrow won't be possible. | 22:34 |
| bernd_kz | What about Sunday evening :-) ? | 22:34 |
| bernd_kz | Just kidding. | 22:34 |
| bernd_kz | Although Sunday would be fine for me. | 22:34 |
| bernd_kz | Can you suggest another date? | 22:35 |
| bernd_kz | Monday? | 22:35 |
| bernd_kz | Tuesday? | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Monday is good | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I can also send you a short list | 22:35 |
| topsub | quick question is there a way i can do a diff on this version https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision?rev=9367 and the version that is in 7.5.30? | 22:35 |
| bernd_kz | At about 20:00 CET? | 22:36 |
| bernd_kz | topsub, really good question. | 22:38 |
| bernd_kz | I am curious, too. | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | svn diff -r rev1:rev2 | 22:38 |
| topsub | i guess how can i tell what version was in 7.5.30? | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it takes some detective work, and going through the SVN history by hand | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | on and off, I've been keeping a wikipage of those dates/revisions | 22:39 |
| topsub | oh ugh... k | 22:39 |
| topsub | i am still having the issue with "you were sent a msg from visitor" so trying to track that down | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/webgui-releases-and-svn-revision-numbers | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | but it doesn't have 7.5.30 | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | on it | 22:40 |
| bernd_kz | topsub, can't you compare against the release? | 22:40 |
| topsub | i see.. lol | 22:41 |
| topsub | possible | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | This sounds like a thingy operation | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.5.30 is svn rev 8157 | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | there you go, topsub | 22:47 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, local installation of the translation server is making the job definitely a lot easier. | 23:04 |
| bernd_kz | Thanks for figuring it out! | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. How do you do merges back with the main one, though? | 23:04 |
| topsub | perlDreamer, thanks! | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop, you can type bugs faster than I can type fixes for them | 23:10 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, that is quite a dangerous job. | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | You have to update the translation server, | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | do a local update, | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | resolve any conflicts, | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | do a local commit | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | and finish with an update of the translation server. | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but translation server updates are manual? | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | As long as you are the only one working on it it is safe. | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or via SVN? | 23:11 |
| bernd_kz | Clicking the "Commit to SVN" URL involves an update prior to commit. | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't know that. | 23:13 |
| bernd_kz | Can't follow. | 23:13 |
| bernd_kz | SVN? | 23:13 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9660 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): Fix Survey hoverhelp and i18n. | 23:13 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9661 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a label in the Matrix (privileged vs Registered.) | 23:13 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: bernd * r9662 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Inbox.pm Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm Asset_HttpProxy.pm): Account_Inbox.pm vervollst?ndigt | 23:13 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9663 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): Add a cancel button to the Matrix Listing form. | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't know that doing a commit on the server would do an update first | 23:13 |
| bernd_kz | Neither did I. | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so it is possible to merge, if dangerously | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | JT told me and when I checked for the code it was there. | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that JT is quite a guy | 23:14 |
| bernd_kz | Psst. Don't summon him to the stage. | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | Do you have access to the translation server? | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | I have written a patch that prevents the translation server from getting stuck. | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | I have uploaded to the HelpDesk. | 23:15 |
| bernd_kz | But it needs to be applied still. | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, what's the URL to the patch? | 23:16 |
| bernd_kz | One moment... | 23:17 |
| SDuensin | Aww. I just saw that automat and the dav stuff are no longer under experimental. :-( | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, many things are moving to git | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it is rumored that WebGUI 8 will be done in git | 23:19 |
| SDuensin | Guess it's time I finally learned that then. | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | it is much faster than SVN | 23:20 |
| SDuensin | Automat was a curiosity, but I really want to play with the DAV stuff on one of my sites. | 23:20 |
| bernd_kz | What is Automat? | 23:22 |
| SDuensin | Hosting tool rizen wrote for PB. | 23:23 |
| bernd_kz | Ah. | 23:23 |
| bernd_kz | Launched already? | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:23 |
| bernd_kz | On their site? | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:23 |
| bernd_kz | Cool. | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | If you're hosted by PB, then you can use Automat to do stuff to your site. | 23:24 |
| bernd_kz | Going to test... | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Like break it badly... | 23:24 |
| bernd_kz | :-) | 23:24 |
| bernd_kz | Happened to you already? | 23:24 |
| SDuensin | Users have access to it? Ooo. Didn't know that. | 23:24 |
| * perlDreamer is not DNS compliant | 23:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, I don't know if it's rolled out to users yet. | 23:25 |
| bernd_kz | perlDreamer, here is the link: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9690 | 23:26 |
| topsub | what version of webgui fixed the issue with having " you were sent this msg from visitor"? | 23:27 |
| bernd_kz | Anything else you need? | 23:27 |
| bernd_kz | topsub, check the changelog | 23:28 |
| * rizen is here | 23:28 | |
| @rizen | SDuensin: yes it's rolled out | 23:28 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: i haven't decided if i'm going to allow your patch yet | 23:29 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen | 23:29 |
| SDuensin | Not gonna GPL that one, eh? :-) | 23:29 |
| @rizen | nope, we decided that we're going to offer it in a SaS model | 23:30 |
| * bernd_kz is not afraid at all. | 23:30 | |
| @rizen | i've modified it so it can manage servers that aren't even in our environment | 23:30 |
| SDuensin | That's cool. Just curious. | 23:30 |
| @rizen | and we're going to add some private labeling features | 23:30 |
| bernd_kz | Oh, I thought it was acknowledged? | 23:33 |
| bernd_kz | Or does that refer to the RFE only? | 23:33 |
| bernd_kz | rizen? | 23:38 |
| @rizen | As I said in the comments of the ticket | 23:39 |
| @rizen | Since we're switching to git | 23:39 |
| @rizen | I'm thinking about whether or not we should apply this patch | 23:39 |
| @rizen | and whether or not the git implementation itself will resolve the problems you're experiencing | 23:40 |
| * SDuensin is reading about git so he can keep up with the Joneses. | 23:40 | |
| bernd_kz | Think it will harm for the moment? | 23:40 |
| bernd_kz | If I have not made any mistake, nothing will change for the regular translation server user. | 23:40 |
| @rizen | and my acknowledgement was of the RFE only | 23:41 |
| @rizen | not of your patch | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | Or is the git translation server coming out soon? | 23:41 |
| SDuensin | Hey, I just ran webguiupdate.pl and it's pulling 7.6.12. I have Email from Graham saying 7.6.13 is out. | 23:41 |
| @rizen | you'll note that i haven't replied since you posted your patch | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | Ok. | 23:41 |
| bernd_kz | My mistake. | 23:41 |
| @rizen | i don't know how soon it's coming out | 23:41 |
| @rizen | that's up to graham | 23:41 |
| @rizen | but i also am thinking that someone needs to seriously vet your patch | 23:42 |
| @rizen | because even you yourself said it can be dangerous | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | Currently, any commit to the svn repo can cause the translation server to get stuck. | 23:42 |
| bernd_kz | The patch prevents that. | 23:42 |
| @rizen | i know what it's stated intention is | 23:42 |
| @rizen | i don't know what it's implications are | 23:43 |
| @rizen | SDuensin: then post a bug | 23:44 |
| SDuensin | NP | 23:44 |
| bernd_kz | It's not dangerous. | 23:44 |
| bernd_kz | It only favours the working copy of the translation server over any other. | 23:44 |
| bernd_kz | If two users edit simultaneously, | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | one on the translation server, | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | one in a local working copy or local installation of the translation server, | 23:45 |
| bernd_kz | the changes of the first user will override those of the second. | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | That is the best you can do without any advanced conflict handling. | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | Git will solve this problem. | 23:46 |
| bernd_kz | will not | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | git on its own won't | 23:47 |
| @rizen | bernd_kz: first, you can stop talking | 23:47 |
| @rizen | you don't have to convince me of anything | 23:47 |
| @rizen | someone needs to vet your patch | 23:47 |
| @rizen | period | 23:47 |
| @rizen | that's the only thing that will convince me | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | but i intend to have code in it to deal with that situation | 23:47 |
| @rizen | second: Haarg's implementation of the translation server is basically a complete rewrite...like he's saying. so you have no idea what it will or will not fix | 23:48 |
| bernd_kz | That's alright. But do you want to wait until the next RFE day? | 23:48 |
| @rizen | it just needs to wait until SOMEONE can vet the damn thing | 23:48 |
| @rizen | it's not that i'm holding out on you or something stupid like that | 23:48 |
| @rizen | i'm just VERY busy | 23:48 |
| @rizen | and that's VERY low on my todo list | 23:48 |
| @rizen | sorry to be bitchy, but you're persistent and i've already told you not to be | 23:50 |
| bernd_kz | Or is someone going to have a look at it earlier? | 23:50 |
| bernd_kz | And I am spending my spare time to work on translation that I have no need of. | 23:54 |
| bernd_kz | And I am spending my spare time to provide a patch that allows me to do that more efficiently. | 23:55 |
| bernd_kz | And I get more and more the impression that no one really cares. | 23:55 |
| bernd_kz | So why am I doing this? | 23:55 |
| bernd_kz | I have no idea and I am going to sleep over this question... | 23:56 |
| @rizen | I care bernd_kz. | 23:56 |
| bernd_kz | Good night everyone! | 23:56 |
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| * deafferret laughs | 23:56 | |
| @rizen | it pisses me off that everyone assumes i have nothing better to do than service their needs | 23:57 |
| * deafferret services rizen | 23:57 | |
| @rizen | someone needs to clone me so i have more hours in the day | 23:57 |
| deafferret | that dude needs to switch meds | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, you can only do so much. | 23:58 |
| @rizen | apparently it's not enough | 23:59 |
| deafferret | don't let THAT GUY get to you | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | thanks for the support deafferret | 00:04 |
| deafferret | sure. if he chooses not to solve his problem that's on him | 00:08 |
| * plainhao empathizes with rizen. | 00:19 | |
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| +perlmonkey2 | What's the word? | 00:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Okay, I'm lazy and this is a lazy question. But if I wanted to move a list of hashes into a table and add a screen on the edit page for editing, would the CRUD asset be a good place to start? | 00:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, reading the first line of doc from Crud informs me that yes, I should use Crud. | 00:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wow, cruds are sweet. You've got something up and running in a few seconds. | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | CRUD is awesome, crud is that stuff behind your fingernails from working on windmills | 00:48 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I've been to like 50 auctions and still not found a welder. I will never have a wind turbine at this speed. | 00:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | well...I've found welders. I just haven't found a "deal" on a welder. | 00:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | what does a "deal" look like $-wise | 00:54 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | it should be a steal based on what the welder is really valued at. I try to buy almost all my big ticket items so that I could instantly turn around and make money on them. | 00:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you got any projects going on? | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I'm building an office for the house. | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the deal is if I finish the garage, I can take the storage room for an office | 01:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: sweet. Doing anything fancy with it? Adding on or converting space? | 01:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, nice | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Tuesday and Wednesday I hung sheet rock on the ceiling | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | insulators come next week, I hope | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | then I do the walls | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | then it's office-ville | 01:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | right on. | 01:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you doing sheet rock on the ceiling without help? | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no | 01:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | seems.....difficult. | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I had help | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I had a panel lifter, and a friend to help | 01:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | If I had one of your windmills, we could have turned it vertically and blown the rock up to the ceiling. | 01:09 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hah, windmills don't blow. Everyone knows they suck. | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | we mount it in the ceiling | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and suck them up to the rafters | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's probably easier that way | 01:26 |
| * perlmonkey2 is off to dinner | 01:29 | |
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| +perlmonkey2 | my clocks and hour off. | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh, did you miss dinner | 01:37 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: no, I started to leave too early for it. My computer is on central time and I'm in Mountain. | 01:47 |
| * perlDreamer heads to office #3. bbl | 01:49 | |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9664 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl upgrade_7.6.3-7.6.4.pl): fixing a Matrix upgrade bug | 03:39 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg were you looking for me? | 04:37 |
| @Haarg | do you think you could look at the ad tests? | 04:38 |
| @Haarg | your changes broken them | 04:38 |
| daviddelikat | which tests? | 04:38 |
| @Haarg | t/AdSpace.t t/AdSpace/Ad.t | 04:38 |
| daviddelikat | im looking right now | 04:39 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: pretty sure it just has to set clinet agent and remote address variables in the environment. | 04:46 |
| daviddelikat | i'll get back to you with a patch or something in about half an hour | 04:47 |
| @Haarg | cool, thanks | 04:47 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: AdSpace/Ad.t isa little trickyer, the bit that it is looking for is now in the onclick parameter rather than the href parameter | 05:03 |
| daviddelikat | but the test is easy enough to fix... | 05:05 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: is it OK if I just pass a patch though pastebin? | 05:07 |
| daviddelikat | im currently working in a branch | 05:07 |
| daviddelikat | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d59ea294 | 05:08 |
| daviddelikat | if this is not OK I can submit the fix, I'll just ahve to work out where to put it... | 05:09 |
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| elnino | hi! is http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/temporary-disable-editing/1 still applicable for 7.5? | 05:43 |
| elnino | ( | 05:44 |
| elnino | I'm not aware of any other alternative to a "temporary maintainnce mode' type switch.. is there one? | 05:44 |
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| elnino | looky there. it's been included.. I'll write a wiki. | 05:52 |
| elnino | is there a way to customize the "maintenance mode" page? to say what I want it to say? | 06:01 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9665 /branch/adSkuProject/ (5 files in 5 dirs): first part of coding | 06:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | back again, Mech422? | 06:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | ishiboo, do you have any questions about WebGUI? | 06:34 |
| elnino | Is there a way to customize the "maintenance mode" page and have it saywhat I want it to say? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | there's always a way to customize | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just a question of how :) | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | look in docs/maintenance.html | 06:36 |
| elnino | oh. ok. thanks! | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | baked any cookies yet? | 06:36 |
| elnino | actually yes, but not homade. | 06:36 |
| elnino | just store bought dough. your's is next. | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | are you keeping busy? | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, does reset have a switch that says "run this extra WebGUI utility script and pass it the --configFile switch"? | 06:41 |
| @Haarg | no | 06:41 |
| elnino | opps. sorry, yes. I'm keeping busy.. I'm spending just the same amount of time on the computer as before.. how does that work? I just picked gnucash as a budgeting software so I'm having fun with that. | 06:42 |
| @Haarg | what script did you have in mind? | 06:42 |
| elnino | but as far as making money. no, still searching though. | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, for my consulting, I have install scripts built like utility scripts. | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | easier than upgrade scripts since there's no version installed | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep doing this | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd reset --profile=custom; perl installScript --configFile=myConfigFile | 06:45 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: meatbop * r9666 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.14/ (7 files): Bug fixed Matrix templates | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd knows my config file | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and I can build a custom profile per project | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, I use gnucash, too | 06:46 |
| @Haarg | i'll think about it | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, the important thing to know about gnucash for business is that it never forgets anything. | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | There is no easy way of deleting customers, invoices, or projectts | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | not without hacking the XML file directly | 06:49 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg: did you see the patch i sent? | 07:06 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'll get it applied | 07:07 |
| daviddelikat | thanks, i haven't been able to watch, my power keeps going and it takes my server with it... | 07:08 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer.. the url you gave me...docs/maintenance.html.. on the web? or on the server? my server is currently down.. so I've been looking on the web without success. | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in /data/WebGUI_HEAD/docs/maintenance.html | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | local, on the WebGUI server | 07:42 |
| elnino | I just found out the gnucash does customers and invoiceing too, that's cool. Ihaven't figured out the mutual funds though, the rounding doesn't agree with the monthy statements I recieve. oh well. | 07:42 |
| elnino | ok. Ill wait till my server is back up. have a good night! | 07:43 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9667 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (44 files in 21 dirs): merging back with HEAD | 08:17 |
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| SquOnk | Hi | 16:15 |
| +bartjol | hi | 16:15 |
| +bartjol | good aftrenoon | 16:15 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: 9:45 VET... yeah, it's afternoon :-) | 16:16 |
| +bartjol | 15:16 over here | 16:16 |
| +bartjol | cool, you have a xhours + half hour gap | 16:17 |
| SquOnk | Yes | 16:17 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: We used to have UTC-4 but our president thinks it's better to have UTC-4:30 | 16:17 |
| SquOnk | ...stupid dumb f*ck | 16:18 |
| +bartjol | mmm, if you wanna go astray why not -4:42.56 | 16:18 |
| +bartjol | but what's up, already further in making WebGUI a debian package? | 16:20 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Let's see... | 16:20 |
| +bartjol | or am I limpig behind | 16:20 |
| SquOnk | ...the package for 7.5 had a problem with ukplayer, rizen told me to remove it from 7.5 altogether and I did... | 16:21 |
| SquOnk | ...but I need the tarball for 7.4.40 to be recreated without the ukplayer folder | 16:21 |
| SquOnk | After that, I can upload the package with the pristine upstream sources. | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm weird | 16:22 |
| SquOnk | The package for 7.5 will work in Lenny (released on Feb 14th!) and Sid | 16:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | i thought arjan had solved the licence issue for the ukplayer | 16:22 |
| +bartjol | cool | 16:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | din't you get an email from him? | 16:22 |
| SquOnk | The package for 7.6 will NOT work in Lenny... | 16:22 |
| SquOnk | ...and am waiting for the latest yui package to make it from the Debian experimental branch into sid. | 16:22 |
| +bartjol | what are the 7.6 problems? | 16:23 |
| SquOnk | MrHairgrease: Yes, he solved the problem. ukplayer is not used in 7.5 so removing it is a simpler solution since there cannot be newer 7.5 releases (that's why I ask for a repackage of the .tar.gz and not for 7.5.41) | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:23 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: 7.6 requires the latest revision of YUI which is not available in Sid yet. Now that Lenny has been released, the development process has cranked up again in Sid, so I expect the latest yui to become part of Sid in a couple of weeks or so. | 16:24 |
| +bartjol | ah | 16:24 |
| +bartjol | so it will be a matter of time | 16:25 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Yes. A friend of mine in the Netherlands used to say that too :-) | 16:25 |
| SquOnk | He had three "business mottos" | 16:25 |
| SquOnk | 1. If the problem is money, we'll get the money. | 16:26 |
| +bartjol | oh oh | 16:26 |
| SquOnk | 2. You cannot be the father of everyone. | 16:26 |
| SquOnk | 3. If it's a matter of time, drink beer while you wait. | 16:26 |
| +bartjol | is it Martin? | 16:26 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: No | 16:26 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I used to consult in Europe between 1994-1999. It was one of our business associates overseas, Harm Roosendaal | 16:27 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: At the time it wasn't FOSS related. | 16:27 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Except for the Linux boxes I was scattering around for infrastructure ;-) | 16:27 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: The company I worked for at the time developed applicatons for Insurance Companies. | 16:28 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I did the capacity planning, tuning and monitoring. | 16:29 |
| +bartjol | I don't know Harm, strange ;) | 16:29 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: He's probably in his late sixties now. | 16:29 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: He used to live in Volendam, if memory serves. | 16:29 |
| +bartjol | nice job | 16:29 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: The other associate was even funnier. He learned our venezuelan cursing expressions. | 16:30 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: And mixed then with his english or dutch. | 16:30 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: So instead of saying "This is f*cked up", he would say "This is a coño situation" | 16:30 |
| +bartjol | that must be great, but totally ununderstandable | 16:30 |
| +bartjol | :) | 16:30 |
| carogray | -newsletters on new stable version of WebGUI | 16:30 |
| +bartjol | I got that | 16:30 |
| carogray | ? | 16:30 |
| +bartjol | carogray: what's with them? | 16:31 |
| carogray | trying to figure out how they will work when we are upgraded, so exploring on demo | 16:31 |
| +bartjol | ah | 16:31 |
| carogray | it says need to enable "content profiling" for them to work | 16:31 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: And he allowed us to write things down and he would pronounce them in Dutch but sounded like a native venezuelan :) | 16:31 |
| carogray | I did that once, but can't figure outhow to do in on the demo.. is this a ask PB to enable ie. env http macro thing? | 16:32 |
| carogray | I mean can I play with creating and using newsletter on demo site? | 16:32 |
| SquOnk | Anyway, if anyone can get a hold of rizen and ask for a _repackage_ of 7.5.40 _without_ ukplayer (that is, exactly as it is now in SVN) and then let me know, I'll appreciate it. | 16:33 |
| SquOnk | It's easier for me to upload 7.5 to Debian and then upgrade to 7.6 than to start from scratch with 7.6 having to wait for yui. | 16:34 |
| +bartjol | but can't you do a checkout? | 16:34 |
| +bartjol | carogray: I'm not sure, haven't used it yet, I should go and look | 16:34 |
| carogray | I can't remember about content profiling - how to enable it... if I can't do it from the demo, I probably can't figure out newsletters | 16:35 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I can do a checkout, but that's not the problem. | 16:35 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: A Debian package comprises _pristine_ upstream sources, a patch with the "debianizing" and a GPG signature. | 16:36 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: If I do a checkout, it does not match upstream sources. That means package rejection. | 16:36 |
| +bartjol | carogray: there is a pdf on this page: http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/content-profiling | 16:36 |
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| +bartjol | SquOnk: ah | 16:37 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: If I take the current 7.5.40 I need to manually remove ukplayer and create a pre-patching package to remove the non-free (or dubious) part of pristine sources. | 16:37 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: ...which I would need to _revert_ when upgrading to 7.6 | 16:37 |
| +bartjol | well, I'm sure they're waking up in the next half hour | 16:37 |
| SquOnk | In the meantime, off to non-pleasing yet needed work | 16:39 |
| * SquOnk is working on a magical installer for Oracle Linux clients and Perl modules | 16:39 | |
| +bartjol | ah, that sounds quite usefull | 16:41 |
| LTR_bob | Hello everybody, | 16:46 |
| LTR_bob | AMH_bob => LTR_bob | 16:46 |
| +bartjol | what happened to alpha mega? | 16:47 |
| LTR_bob | It is still a wonderful hosting provider, but technically I work for Long Term Results and should be using that name. | 16:48 |
| LTR_bob | Long Term Results is the production company. | 16:49 |
| +bartjol | ah | 16:49 |
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| carogray | bartjol: looks good for what I need - thanks. | 16:56 |
| +bartjol | you're welcome | 16:56 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9668 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (MatrixListing.pm Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixing combo/select boxes on Matrix search and edit listing screens | 17:03 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9669 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js: matrix compare screen fix | 17:33 |
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| +bartjol | SquOnk: here's your guy! | 17:48 |
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| +bartjol | rizen, Ernesto has the packaging for debian almost finished but needs a tarball from you or one of your minions | 17:53 |
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| @rizen | yeah i know | 17:54 |
| @rizen | i'm working on it right now | 17:54 |
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| +bartjol | cool | 17:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is the json mime type? | 17:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | text/json? | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, look in Shop/Tax.pm | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in there | 17:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it's application/json | 17:58 |
| * MrHairgrease was just be a lazy bastard | 17:58 | |
| +MrHairgrease | application indeed | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | just like xml | 17:59 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r13e7102 / lib/WGDev/Command/Config.pm : Return error but no warnings when retrieving empty config command - http://bit.ly/G650R | 18:01 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r43a58f4 / (3 files in 2 dirs): | 18:01 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: add util command for running utility scripts. | 18:01 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Also adds --util option to reset command to run arbitrary utility | 18:01 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: scripts as part of the reset process. - http://bit.ly/8WYPW | 18:01 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r17b6233 / lib/WGDev.pm : fix using a bare + as an asset index in config addresses - http://bit.ly/68ad9 | 18:01 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop autotest * rf91bf00 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix some calculations - http://bit.ly/T0bmQ | 18:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | it seems like there ought to be a way to define a new MySQL "meta-type" called GUID | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | so that we can not have to remember that it is CHAR(22) BINARY NOT NULL, or whatever the latest is | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that way all the old ones could easily be found and updated | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and new ones would just work | 18:40 |
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| Lisette | i can chage by database the date of expired of an article? | 18:49 |
| Lisette | change | 18:49 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Are there any wobjects that use the Crud? | 19:37 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | I'm not seeing anything tha tuses crud. Anything in the pipeline? | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | no assets use crud | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | but some of the top level utility classes do | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | use ack | 19:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you bloody genius. | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I just have a long memory | 19:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Maybe it is what I was searchign for. I assumed that to use crud, you'd have to subclass WebGUI::Crud, so I was searching for "WebGUI::Crud" in the assumption there would be a "use base" in front of it. | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | man, I thought some of the top level stuff use dit | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm not finding it | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I'm thinking of Automat | 19:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, a Crud's tablekey looks to be a scalar. What do you do for complex keys? Like aren't most assets defined by an assetId and a revisionDate? | 19:54 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you have a chance to try the util command and reset --util option i added? | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | my FIOS only goes wonky about once a month, but man is it inconvenient | 20:33 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | you have FIOS? you are so SOOOO lucky/ | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | just call me DrFastBits | 20:38 |
| @frodwith | Do want. | 20:44 |
| @frodwith | They don't offer it out here. :-/ | 20:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what's the price for running services on your FIOS? | 20:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | or do they even care? | 20:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | any caps? | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. I don't run any. | 20:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9670 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.pm Survey/SurveyQuestionBundles.pm): removing trace | 20:46 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9671 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyQuestionBundles.pm: removing surveybundle | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | they block port 80 incoming, though | 20:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah | 20:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | so they probably require a bump up in service for offering anything. | 20:46 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you have a chance to try the util command and reset --util option i added? | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | not yet. I tracked down the setup problems that I was having before, and am trying to debug it | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | for some reason, wgdev is setting the t bit in my uploads | 20:49 |
| @Haarg | didn't you want it to do that? | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I wanted it to end up with g+s | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | which is: "maintain group ownership of all files from here on down" | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's doing that, but it's adding t | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | which is restricted deletion | 20:50 |
| @Haarg | what is the mode on your uploads root? | 20:51 |
| * perlDreamer does some fast calculations... | 20:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | 775 + g+s = 2775? | 20:52 |
| @Haarg | yes | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | according to wgd, it's 42775 | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | printf("mode: %o\n",$uploads_mode); | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | => mode: 42775 | 20:54 |
| @Haarg | the umask line should probably be umask( ~$uploads_mode & oct(7777) ); | 20:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | umasks look fine | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | 0022 before the umask change, and 0002 afterward | 21:02 |
| @Haarg | you probably want it to be 5002 though | 21:02 |
| @Haarg | for that operation | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | inverting it makes the umask 775 | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | which is 002 inverted | 21:04 |
| @Haarg | not sure of your meaning | 21:05 |
| @Haarg | the xor i had in there is definately wrong | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I gotcha | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but the problem is mkpath | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | oct(7777) is not right, since it sets every bit | 21:08 |
| @Haarg | that's modified by the umask though | 21:08 |
| @Haarg | which if you umask is 5002, means the dir is created as 2775 | 21:09 |
| @Haarg | which is what you want | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not getting the highest nibble | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | umask is still 0002 | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | umask only accepts the lower 3 octets | 21:14 |
| @Haarg | perl -e'umask oct(5002); printf "%o\n", umask' | 21:15 |
| @Haarg | gives me 5002 | 21:15 |
| @Haarg | interesting | 21:17 |
| @Haarg | all three builds of perl i have locally give 5002 | 21:17 |
| @Haarg | but on a rhel system it gives 2 | 21:17 |
| @Haarg | i guess using the actual mode we want to create on mkpath is the way to go | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | s/oct(7777)/$uploads_mode/; # ?? | 21:20 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r966a0af / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : Set directory mode correctly for systems with a max umask of 0777 - http://bit.ly/U8MwD | 21:21 |
| @Haarg | basically yeah | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | MacOs's umask is superior, for sure | 21:27 |
| @Haarg | i don't know what the standards are like for that. didn't even think something like that would vary. | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | me, either :) | 21:31 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9672 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/i18n/template.t: missed a revision in the last merge | 21:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9673 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/lib/WebGUI/Macro/Callback.pm: And another one. | 21:40 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9674 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI.pm docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.14-7.7.0.pl): Add Story Manager tables. | 21:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | how in the world do we autogenerate forms for templated interfaces like Wiki, Post and Thingy? | 22:45 |
| @rizen | we don't | 22:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's a misleading comment in Asset.pm that says the plan was to do that. I'll just ignore it :) | 22:48 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9675 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Story.pm i18n/English/Asset_Story.pm): Skeletal code for Story Asset. i18n as well. | 23:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9676 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm: Clean up autoGenerateForms in definition. | 23:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9677 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Story.pm: Add a missing i18n tag for assetName. | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, tavisto | 23:39 |
| @tavisto | yessir | 23:41 |
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| @tavisto | hey perlDreamer | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | just saying hi, tavisto | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no pestering | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | teasing | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | bothering or otherwise | 00:08 |
| @tavisto | hah okay sorry | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | np :) How's life in Michigan? | 00:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9678 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Skeletal code for Story Archive. | 00:10 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9679 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixing matrix compare results | 00:10 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9680 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: Pick up some missing dependencies. | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9681 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_StoryTopic.pm Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.pm): Story Topic skeleton code. | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9682 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Modify default config file. | 00:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Upgrade script adds Story Manager assets to site config files. | 00:42 |
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| metanil | can i get the uploaded (by post) file by using $session->form->process("imageName")??? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | have a peek at WebGUI/Form/File.pm and WebGUI/Storage.pm for how to deal with files | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I can type very, very quickly | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | (sorry, that was a demo for my 9-year old son) | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | he needs to learn how to touch type | 01:43 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9683 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/ (StoryArchive.t StoryTopic.t): Test Skeletons for Story Archive and Topic Wobjects. | 02:04 |
| metanil | perlDreamer: but i didn't see any code in www_editUserSave function related to image upload data. | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil, which module are you looking in, for www_editUserSave? | 02:15 |
| metanil | is it $u->profileField()? | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes :) | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 02:16 |
| metanil | :) | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it is | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the stuff inside that method call that does the real work, though | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | $field->formProcess($u) | 02:18 |
| metanil | so i don't have to worry about handling image upload explicitly.. becuase profileFIeld will handle for me, right? | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:18 |
| metanil | sweet!! | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | we do try to make it easy to use, not only for the user, but for the programmer | 02:19 |
| metanil | :) | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you want a new Profile Field that uploads an image, you can add that new field via the UI | 02:19 |
| metanil | oh thats why the database is structured to allow any number of new profile fields. | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | as you add a new field, it will modify the userProfileData table to add the new column, with the correct type for that column | 02:21 |
| metanil | oh ya.. i'm looking at photo column.. it must be file assetId | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | close, it's a storageId | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | they're all CHAR(22) BINARY | 02:25 |
| metanil | hmm | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | storageId, userId, groupId, assetId, are all GUIDs | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | 22 character base64 MD5 hashes | 02:31 |
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| metanil | oh.. not every weird looking 22 character are assetid.. :D | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, WebGUI::Test::Maker::Permissions is vexing me | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to test that the module can load | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | so I use use_ok | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | but I have to plan before I call use_ok | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | but to plan, I need need to prepare the maker object | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | which requires an asset object | 02:48 |
| @preaction | sounds like you'll have to do use_ok in another .t script | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like it. | 02:52 |
| * perlDreamer has to avoid having a pouty developer fit | 02:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | The 9-year old is nearby | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and he can detect any hypocrisy | 02:52 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | webgui needs a twitter presence? | 03:19 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9684 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: test canPostStories method | 03:23 |
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