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+perlDreamer | preaction: format: query, nature: codeReview: response: availability | 00:26 |
@preaction | format: response; re: codeReview; content: I am currently available, ask forth your question | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m64f95d46 | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | It's just the first pass, but all feedback is appreciated. | 00:29 |
@preaction | i would try to break out as much JS as possible into a seperate .js file (preferably under yui-webgui) | 00:29 |
+perlDreamer | with AJAXI18n, there's no reason the whole thing can't be a separate JS file | 00:30 |
@preaction | so then you just call something like "var ah = new WebGUI.AssetHistory();" | 00:30 |
@preaction | yeah, that too | 00:30 |
@preaction | it makes it more of an application, and far more useful | 00:30 |
@preaction | so even if the Perl code changes completely, the JS can be used later (in the new admin console) | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | "new" admin console? | 00:31 |
@preaction | we've been talking about it at the WUC since 7.5 | 00:31 |
@preaction | even showed screenshots | 00:31 |
* perlDreamer is drawing a blank. Do you have a URL for video/presentation? | 00:33 |
@preaction | it was one of JT's keynotes | 00:34 |
@preaction | last year's keynote, i believe | 00:34 |
@preaction | otherwise, if i'm mistaken, then there will eventually be a new admin interface | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | aside from getting chocolate in the peanut butter, any other suggestions? | 00:36 |
@preaction | you might want to change www_manage to www_view instead, just for consistency's sake | 00:37 |
@preaction | and run it through perltidy | 00:37 |
@preaction | otherwise, looks great | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | I was thinking it returned too much data, from the getHistoryAsJson | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | and some date formatting | 00:39 |
@preaction | not really. i would want more data personally, like exactly what changed (we don't really keep records of that though) | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | no, just the actionTaken set of options | 00:39 |
@preaction | though it would be possible to do a compare of the available revisions in the future if someone wants that feature | 00:40 |
@preaction | i like that it exposes this feature we've always had and nobody knew about | 00:40 |
@preaction | it might stir some good ideas in the community | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I've been telling people about it for a while, but it's hard for the average admin to use. | 00:40 |
@preaction | oh. you should add a tab to the admin console about this. you should also add a different privilege group to the Settings page | 00:41 |
@preaction | the "12" magic number shouldn't be used | 00:41 |
@preaction | though that's only my opinion, which is subject to overrule | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | I think you're right. I used 12 as a placeholder for lack of anything better. | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | What do you think about a date range search option? | 00:42 |
@preaction | how much data really gets returned? if it's more than 50 rows, then probably yes | 00:43 |
@preaction | i hate date range searches though, maybe let the user input a date and search +/- 5 days? or 7 days? or something like that | 00:43 |
@preaction | well, that's just an idea. not sure i like that idea either | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | it only returns 50 rows, but it seems wasteful to send the whole user table when only the username is used | 00:44 |
@preaction | then get: assetHistory.*,users.username <- | 00:45 |
@preaction | instead of * | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | that's easier than typing all the columns by hand :) | 00:45 |
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perlDreamer1 | one last question, preaction. Do you think it's RFE-able for 7.7, or should I just put it into the Bazaar? | 00:55 |
@preaction | i think it's RFE-able for 7.7 myself | 00:55 |
perlDreamer1 | I'll submit an RFE w/patch after I get all the tidying up done on it. | 00:56 |
perlDreamer1 | thanks, preaction! | 00:57 |
perlDreamer1 | time for me to crawl up into the attic :/ | 00:57 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9688 /translations/Russian/ (78 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 20:30 |
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xdanger | can the commit approval workflow be changed per group or per user somehow? | 01:41 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9689 /translations/Russian/ (37 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 01:57 |
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elnino | hi! I think somewhere along the lines, the paypal payment module is scheduled for some release, anyone privy to when that may be? | 02:16 |
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elnino | hi. wondering if there is any word on the paypal module, I thought it was scheduled for 7.7, is that still correct? | 05:19 |
@preaction | elnino: as far as i know, yes | 06:37 |
elnino | HI! | 06:38 |
elnino | And that is June or something right? | 06:38 |
elnino | preaction, if I start writing one, is there anyone that would be willing to review my work? | 06:39 |
elnino | maybe we can get it in sooner? | 06:40 |
@preaction | i believe martin kamerbeek is writing one right now, you might want to coordinate with him using the dev mailing list | 06:40 |
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elnino | ok. Thanks preaction. what is his name here? | 06:51 |
@preaction | MrHairgrease | 06:52 |
elnino | oh that's right. | 06:53 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9690 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added edit link to matrix listing view | 12:25 |
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ryuu_ro | Hi all | 14:42 |
+BartJol | not him | 14:42 |
+BartJol | :) | 14:42 |
ryuu_ro | i have this form which executes a query on some tables | 14:42 |
ryuu_ro | I process the form with $sessin->form->process | 14:43 |
ryuu_ro | but when I enter 0 in my form field the form var doesn't get processed | 14:43 |
ryuu_ro | also form->param doesn't do the trick | 14:44 |
ryuu_ro | is this a bug? | 14:44 |
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+BartJol | ryuu_ro: if you copied it, $sessin->form->process doesn't seem spelled right | 15:52 |
ryuu_ro | yeah that's just a typo | 15:53 |
+BartJol | just making sure | 15:53 |
ryuu_ro | I understand why it isn't being processed but I don't think that it shouldn't | 15:53 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:11 |
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BartJo1 | morning scott | 17:29 |
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xdanger | can the commit approval workflow be changed per group or per user somehow? | 17:35 |
BartJo1 | it should be possible in 7.6 | 17:38 |
BartJo1 | evry user has a version tag workflow in the profile | 17:39 |
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+perlmonkey2 | I want to add the ability to do site wide default question group definition editing. This would not be Survey specific, but system wide. So that editing the question groups would change them for the site. This is just for the pre-defined multiple choice question groups. Anyone have an idea how to go about this? Should it be an editor in the Admin Console? An editor on each survey instance? | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | If it's Survey specific, I'd say a link on each Survey. | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | that way, anyone who can edit a survey can get to it | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like the Style Wizard for templates. | 18:20 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: well it is more to be site wide. To give CM's a place to alter the default question types. | 18:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | The ones I put in there were pretty specific to the US and to Sociology. | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | the Admin Console keeps growing, so if it's something just to tweak 1 asset, I still think it belongs in the Asset. | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | of course, /me is a strongly opinionated IRC squatter, so what does he know? | 18:46 |
BartJo1 | perlDreamer: you have a bed in the IRC channel? | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | I sleep on that bench over there | 18:51 |
BartJo1 | ah | 18:51 |
rizen_ | put it into the survey | 18:51 |
BartJo1 | didn't loom that way yet | 18:52 |
rizen_ | make it a menu option | 18:52 |
rizen_ | and just don't link it to a specific asset id | 18:52 |
rizen_ | and on the page, state that these are global question group types | 18:52 |
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+perlmonkey2 | rizen: sounds groovy. | 18:56 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: drove through West Oklahoma, the Panhandle of Texas, and East New Mexico last week. Gigawatts of wind farms through that way. Just whole horizons full of the things, absolutely beautiful. And now I've got the wind turbine bug again in a bad way. Thinking of going against personal policy and just buying a welder brand new. | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | sometimes, sacrifices must be made in the name of progress. | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | maybe welders hold their value so well that they don't drop in price quickly over time | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | I wish the Stock Market was that way... | 19:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | Yeah, 13 year lows and dropping. | 19:00 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9691 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.14-7.7.0.pl: Add column for approval workflow. | 19:01 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9692 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:01 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add methods for creating and getting date specific folders below the Archive for | 19:01 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: holding stories. With tests. | 19:01 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Code for the approval workflow for stories. | 19:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, maybe instead of holding gold, people should hold welders. As the good ones really don't seem to lose much value. | 19:01 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: Kathy got a letter from OHSU. | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | She's on the alternates list this year | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | so there's a chance she may get in | 19:26 |
@rizen | seet | 19:28 |
@rizen | sweet | 19:28 |
@rizen | tell her congrats for me | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | I will | 19:28 |
deafferret | PhD in Perl? | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | certified nurse/midwife | 19:29 |
deafferret | w/ a Perl specialty? | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | no, the program is deficient that way. | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | I have her signed up for special tutoring | 19:30 |
deafferret | nurse! zero-width negative look-behind assertion! stat! | 19:31 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9693 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/_NewAsset.skeleton: Fix POD/whitespace issues. | 20:03 |
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+perlDreamer | it's scary when you can start writing phrases with 22 characters in them, give or take a character | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | deafferret, I'm thinking of going for a run. What are you eating today? | 21:37 |
@preaction | i'll eat chicken parmesan for him | 21:40 |
@preaction | heavy on the parmesan | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | that sounds like at least a medium run | 21:43 |
* perlmonkey2 thanks WebGUI for tabforms. | 21:57 |
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+perlDreamer | Mech422Home: howdy :) | 22:17 |
Mech422Home | hi :-) | 22:17 |
Mech422Home | Uggh - I hate apache | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | do you like some other server better? | 22:20 |
Mech422Home | nginx looks promising | 22:22 |
Mech422Home | apache is just too 'kitchen sink' - too many knobs, too much to go wrong | 22:22 |
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SynQ | hi there | 22:27 |
SynQ | is github broken? | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | it would appear so. | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | that's what they get for writing it in ruby | 22:30 |
SynQ | hmm | 22:32 |
SynQ | that is what I dreaded by putting the WebGUI repository in a 3th party's hands | 22:32 |
SynQ | we had that with sf.net | 22:32 |
SynQ | now we are going to get it with github.com | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | since it's git, it's only really a problem when you want to do a pull from github.com | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | commits are fine | 22:33 |
SynQ | I am not sure I think that makes it more workable | 22:34 |
SynQ | it's always a problem when you want to collaborate | 22:34 |
SynQ | for instance | 22:34 |
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SynQ | I want to see if JT has done any work on wre in the git repo | 22:34 |
SynQ | but I cant | 22:34 |
SynQ | since github.com is offline | 22:34 |
SynQ | git.webgui.org would be a far better place | 22:35 |
SynQ | since that would be under direct control of plainblack | 22:35 |
@rizen | i haven't yet | 22:35 |
SynQ | ah | 22:35 |
SynQ | :) | 22:35 |
SynQ | hi | 22:35 |
@rizen | we're sticking with svn for wre until 1.0 comes out | 22:35 |
@rizen | which should be this week | 22:35 |
@rizen | or next | 22:35 |
SynQ | ok nice | 22:35 |
@rizen | if all goes according to plan | 22:36 |
SynQ | I wanted to verify if I indeed created a github account | 22:36 |
SynQ | graham allready asked me | 22:36 |
SynQ | rizen: do you develop the WRE on your personal mac or on a linux box? | 22:36 |
SynQ | and: do you know if the wre HEAD still compiles on your systems after the changes I did? | 22:37 |
@rizen | i do it on my mac | 22:38 |
@rizen | and i'll be finding out shortly whether it does or not | 22:38 |
SynQ | :) | 22:38 |
@rizen | still trying to work through some bugs in your sources .sh files | 22:38 |
SynQ | I have it up and running now at host003.procolix.com | 22:38 |
SynQ | what kind of bugs? | 22:38 |
@rizen | http://archive.cs.uu.nl/mirror/CPAN/authors/id/R/RC/RCAPUTO/POE-Component-Client-DNS-1.02.tar.gz: | 22:38 |
@rizen | 2009-03-02 11:15:36 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 22:38 |
@rizen | tar (child): POE-Component-Client-DNS-1.02.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory | 22:38 |
@rizen | tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now | 22:38 |
@rizen | tar: Child returned status 2 | 22:38 |
@rizen | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors | 22:38 |
@rizen | mirror might be down or something | 22:39 |
SynQ | ah | 22:39 |
SynQ | change the MIRROR variable on top of that file | 22:39 |
SynQ | to the cpan.org line | 22:39 |
@rizen | well it's not the mirror itself | 22:39 |
SynQ | that is commented in top of it | 22:39 |
@rizen | cuz other files come down fine | 22:39 |
SynQ | ah ok | 22:39 |
SynQ | I had that too | 22:39 |
@rizen | i'm just wondering if that mirror is missing some files | 22:39 |
@rizen | or whatever | 22:39 |
@rizen | i'm lookinginto it | 22:39 |
SynQ | it's one of the mirrors that is not completely up to date | 22:39 |
SynQ | the best thing would be to let CPAN do the downloading of that particular file | 22:40 |
SynQ | I wanted to ask you if you agree on this:.... | 22:40 |
SynQ | we want to release a WRE that has exactly that set of modules that we tested and approved not newer or older ones, right? | 22:40 |
@rizen | right | 22:41 |
SynQ | ok | 22:41 |
@rizen | which is why cpan can't be allowed to download anything | 22:41 |
SynQ | that is why I created that downloadscript | 22:41 |
@rizen | we must do it | 22:41 |
SynQ | indeed | 22:41 |
SynQ | but we might be able to use the CPAN module to download particular versions of perl modules from the perl mirrors | 22:41 |
SynQ | that might solve the error-checking right away | 22:42 |
SynQ | btw: http://host003.procolix.com | 22:43 |
SynQ | WebGUI 7.6.13 running on WRE HEAD :) | 22:43 |
@rizen | cool | 22:43 |
SynQ | what I could do is tar my entire sources tree and put them in http://host003.procolix.com/uploads/somewhere.tar | 22:44 |
SynQ | admin 123qwe | 22:44 |
SynQ | go ahead :) | 22:44 |
SynQ | that is not cool. This is: http://dev.anxietyonline.org.au/ | 22:45 |
SynQ | that is served by a cluster of 6 virtual machines | 22:45 |
SynQ | 2 loadbalancers LVS, 2 apache servers (modperl, modproxy) and 2 mysql servers (one in slave mode) | 22:45 |
+perlDreamer | are you hosting that, SynQ? | 22:46 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: no I built it | 22:46 |
SynQ | it is running on vm's in australia | 22:47 |
+perlDreamer | I see | 22:47 |
SynQ | or at least by an australian based company | 22:47 |
SynQ | I am hosting this: http://www.loopsetshop.com | 22:47 |
Mech422Home | SynQ: Hmm - lvs is still the load balancer of choice ? | 22:47 |
Mech422Home | I'm assuming thats to avoid s.p.o.f. and not for load balancing reasons ? | 22:48 |
SynQ | Mech422Home: actually I'd prefer a netscaler | 22:48 |
SynQ | assumption is the mother of all error | 22:49 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9694 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Story code. Added validParent, storage location code. | 22:49 |
SynQ | Mech422Home: what alternative would you use then? | 22:49 |
Mech422Home | I don't have s.p.o.f. worries - we usually just use pound | 22:50 |
Mech422Home | I use varnish for caching - that can load balance if you don't need fancy sessioning | 22:50 |
Mech422Home | perlbal is supposed ot be good too, right ? | 22:50 |
SynQ | hold on a moment | 22:51 |
SynQ | pound is not really a load balancer | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | what is SPOF? | 22:51 |
Mech422Home | its a proxy load balancer - but how is that not a 'real' load balancer? | 22:52 |
SynQ | it's more of spraying reverse proxy | 22:52 |
Mech422Home | single point of failure | 22:52 |
SynQ | a 'real' loadbalancer does nothing with the content | 22:52 |
SynQ | have you read the LVS manual? | 22:52 |
Mech422Home | synq: pound doesn't do anything with it unless you ask (sticky sessions) | 22:52 |
Mech422Home | not in about 5 years | 22:53 |
Mech422Home | which is why I asked | 22:53 |
Mech422Home | pound is the 'de facto' standard for zope/plone - so I've used that for close to 10 years now.. | 22:53 |
SynQ | ah | 22:53 |
Mech422Home | I haven't looked at lvs or ultramonkey or any of that in ages | 22:53 |
SynQ | I would use LVS for any | 22:54 |
SynQ | ultramonkey again is something completely different | 22:54 |
SynQ | varnish I don't know about and perlbal is also a proxy | 22:54 |
SynQ | let me put it this way... | 22:55 |
+MrHairgrease | anbody had trouble using yui's datatable | 22:55 |
+MrHairgrease | and get this error? | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: every day :( | 22:55 |
Mech422Home | yes, proxy and load balancer are not mutually exclusive | 22:55 |
+MrHairgrease | invalid 'instanceof' operand DS if(oDataSource && (oDataSource instanceof DS)) { | 22:55 |
SynQ | if you really want to build a load balanced cluster you want a combination of LVS, Heartbeat, MySQL with replication, a reverse proxy, multiple modperl hosts, a dedicated spectre server and perhaps some more caching layers | 22:56 |
Mech422Home | I tend to think of lvs when you need stuff like open connection support - forwarding tcp/ip connections, etc. | 22:56 |
SynQ | indeed | 22:56 |
Mech422Home | umm - yeah, assuming you use all that :-) | 22:56 |
SynQ | and you want to have that too | 22:56 |
SynQ | so your question is a bit strange | 22:56 |
Mech422Home | I generally don't run mysql or perl - webgui is new to me - my main biz. is plone | 22:57 |
SynQ | if you really want a loadbalancer | 22:57 |
SynQ | you use a loadbalancer | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, can you paste some code? | 22:57 |
SynQ | and not a proxy | 22:57 |
Mech422Home | umm - whatever - yer getting pendantic :-P | 22:57 |
SynQ | and if you want I loadbalancer I would recommend LVS | 22:57 |
SynQ | it is really the best | 22:57 |
SynQ | now let's discuss proxies :) | 22:57 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah, I was doing that: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m42f9594f | 22:58 |
Mech422Home | yes, a $20K hardware load balancer would be nice, but if I don't need spof support, the proxy based solutions work fine :-) | 22:58 |
SynQ | I woul like to use nginx | 22:58 |
+MrHairgrease | line 7 triggers the error | 22:58 |
SynQ | LVS does not cost $20K | 22:58 |
Mech422Home | I realize that... | 22:58 |
SynQ | and if you don't need spof support a proxy still is not the same as a loadbalancer | 22:59 |
Mech422Home | please don't lecture - I know my biz - your needs seem to be different, thats all | 22:59 |
SynQ | :) | 22:59 |
SynQ | It's not about your bizz | 22:59 |
Mech422Home | whatever | 22:59 |
SynQ | I kiss you :) | 22:59 |
SynQ | a loadbalancer cannot be 'proxy based' | 23:00 |
SynQ | a proxy is something else | 23:00 |
@rizen | Mech422: don't take it personally. SynQ is just annoying by nature | 23:00 |
Mech422Home | rizen: so I see | 23:00 |
SynQ | indeed so | 23:00 |
SynQ | martin can vouch for that too :P | 23:00 |
+MrHairgrease | perldreamer: forgot to include a line, this one's right: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ma540a0d | 23:00 |
@rizen | at last year's wuc he got under my skin so bad that i ended up shouting at him in front of a dozen people in one of the sessions i was leading at the wuc | 23:01 |
SynQ | rizen: how is your opinion on experimenting with nginx instead of apache for modproxy | 23:01 |
SynQ | that was adorable JT :) | 23:01 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen: next time shout with your fist =) | 23:01 |
+MrHairgrease | something else won't make him stop =) | 23:02 |
@rizen | i have no idea what nginx is, but in general there would have to be some absolutely amazing advantages to make me consider switching away from modproxy | 23:02 |
SynQ | that is not true martin and you know it :P | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: is it still line 7 that is the problem?, or now 15? | 23:02 |
Mech422Home | rizen: nginx servers about 25% of v hosts on the net now..according to their site | 23:02 |
+MrHairgrease | 15 | 23:03 |
SynQ | rizen: one absolutely amazing advantage is that with nginx you can tell the proxy to give only so much bandwith per client | 23:03 |
+MrHairgrease | teh error comes from deep in the DataTable source | 23:03 |
@rizen | just because most of the world uses it, doesn't make it great though. look at IE for example. | 23:03 |
Mech422Home | rizen: touche :-) | 23:03 |
Mech422Home | rizen: so is varnish cache out of the question too ? | 23:03 |
SynQ | making it a lot more difficult for one user to saturate the entire webserver | 23:03 |
@rizen | that's a pretty cool feature | 23:04 |
Mech422Home | rizen: its a lot faster then squid for man cases | 23:04 |
SynQ | Mech422: what is the url for that varnish stuff? | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422Home, that's 25% of the vservers in Russia, unless I misread that | 23:04 |
SynQ | rizen: nginx has a smaller memory footprint than apache (much) since it has a different threading model | 23:05 |
SynQ | I don't care how much servers it runs on | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: do you have connection-min loaded? | 23:05 |
SynQ | actually | 23:05 |
Mech422Home | synq: http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/ | 23:05 |
SynQ | but it's nice that at least some sites use it :) | 23:05 |
SynQ | Mech422: thanks | 23:05 |
+MrHairgrease | perlDreamer: yup | 23:05 |
SynQ | varnish doesn't run on mac? | 23:06 |
Mech422Home | perldreamer: Hmm - could be - I seem to recall seein it was 25% total though - maybe netcraft or something | 23:06 |
Mech422Home | SynQ: given its 'c' - I have no clue | 23:06 |
Mech422Home | phk is an fbsd legend though - so it should | 23:06 |
+MrHairgrease | perldreamer: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d51c43536 | 23:07 |
+MrHairgrease | the error comes from line 4416 | 23:07 |
+MrHairgrease | so maybe I'm borking my DataSource | 23:07 |
+MrHairgrease | checking on that | 23:07 |
SynQ | jt: source of all is here: http://host003.procolix.com/uploads/source.tgz | 23:08 |
SynQ | it's 431M | 23:08 |
@rizen | synq, can it still do all the stuff modproxy can do? like url rewrites, ssl, setting cache headers, etc? | 23:08 |
@rizen | i have the source down, but thanks | 23:08 |
SynQ | yes it can | 23:08 |
SynQ | ok great | 23:09 |
@rizen | then we can talk about it for wre 1.1 | 23:09 |
SynQ | sure thing | 23:09 |
@rizen | as for 1.0 i just want to get the damn thing out the door | 23:09 |
SynQ | indeed | 23:09 |
SynQ | 64 bits? | 23:09 |
@rizen | that's the goal | 23:09 |
SynQ | or is even that optional? | 23:09 |
@rizen | if i can't make it 64 bits by the end of the week, then i'm going to release it as 0.9 | 23:09 |
@rizen | cuz we need a release | 23:09 |
SynQ | good plan | 23:09 |
@rizen | and i can't release it as 1.0 until it's 64 bit | 23:10 |
SynQ | if you do release it as 0.9 | 23:10 |
SynQ | I'm going to update it bi-weekly with updated perl modules if available | 23:10 |
SynQ | as 0.9.1 and 0.9.2 etc | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d631c5223 | 23:11 |
@rizen | why SynQ ? | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: maybe it doesn't like the XHRDataSource? | 23:12 |
SynQ | to keep up with security releases | 23:12 |
SynQ | a security hole in one of the things that webgui runs on is a bad thing | 23:12 |
SynQ | that problem should be attended to | 23:13 |
SynQ | and I'm willing to do that | 23:13 |
@rizen | ok, but the problem is that you're likely introducing more bugs than you're fixing | 23:13 |
SynQ | well | 23:13 |
@rizen | if you're updating all the modules | 23:13 |
@rizen | updating just the ones that have security problems is one thing | 23:13 |
@rizen | but updating all of them is something else | 23:13 |
SynQ | I will run the complete test-bed after each update and before committing | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: the tests do not fully cover WebGUI | 23:14 |
@rizen | that's not enough | 23:14 |
SynQ | oh | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | hand testing each type of asset is still required | 23:14 |
Mech422Home | ouch - that sounds like a bitch | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | you need to unleash your horde of programmers on writing tests | 23:14 |
@rizen | that's why doing what you're talking about is not a good idea | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | perlDreamer: perhaps, but I built this according to the documentation | 23:14 |
SynQ | ok | 23:14 |
SynQ | only modules that have security problems then? | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm trying to find out how to get data out of a DS | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: I was just looking at this: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/datatable/dt_xhrjson.html | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | that way I can check whether I have data or not | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | I've seen some kind of a callback for that | 23:17 |
@rizen | that would be fine SynQ | 23:17 |
SynQ | I'll release an 'experimental' WRE and a 'stable' one | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it was in the AssetManager? | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | believe it or not, if no data is sent the DataTable will do the right thing | 23:17 |
SynQ | learning how to write tests seems like a bit of a steep learning curve for me | 23:18 |
SynQ | you need the entire WebGUI api to be able to use that | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ, not always. The idea is not to get overwhelmed with the whole task, but to pick one thing and test it. | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | and then to test another | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | and another | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | lots and lots of small steps | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | it's parallelizable | 23:20 |
SynQ | rizen: if you make sure you check in to svn regularly I can run multiple compile runs regularly | 23:20 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: ok | 23:21 |
Mech422Home | is there a buildbot type thing for perl ? | 23:21 |
Mech422Home | an automated builder/tester ? | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422Home, _for_ perl, for perl type projects, or _in_ perl? | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | I hear some people use smolder | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | and tinderbox | 23:22 |
Mech422Home | for perl type projects | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | smolder | 23:22 |
Mech422Home | python projects pretty much use buildbot | 23:22 |
Mech422Home | it's sorta the 'standard' - is there one for perl ? hmm - I'll have to look that up | 23:23 |
Mech422Home | would it make sense to put up 'smolder' instances for wG ? | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | sure! | 23:23 |
Mech422Home | I can rig up a vm for it..maybe get 2 or 3 of them going at different places so we don't have a 'github' type issue ? | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | with lots of them, we'd need a good aggregator. I think smolder will do that, too. | 23:24 |
Mech422Home | prolly don't need lots - but 2 or 3 so you can always see one... | 23:25 |
Mech422Home | perlDreamer: ok - smack me upside the head later if I don't give you an ip | 23:25 |
+perlDreamer | ip? | 23:25 |
Mech422Home | i.p. address | 23:26 |
Mech422Home | for smolder/vm | 23:26 |
Mech422Home | I'll have to figure out smolder first though | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | you sound like you know your way around. The fun part will be getting it to play well with the WRE | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | each one wants its own private set of modules | 23:26 |
Mech422Home | ahh - so 1 smolder can test multiple 'versions' of the wre ? | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | I wouldn't think so. | 23:28 |
Mech422Home | oh - then whats with the 'each one' above ?? | 23:28 |
Mech422Home | wont there just be one wre thats being tested ? (with one set of private modules?) | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | smolder has a "private" cache of perl modules that it prefers to use. The WRE also has a private cache of modules. | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | as long as smolder resets the paths correctly, it should not be a problem | 23:29 |
* perlDreamer quits procrastinating, and goes running. | 23:30 |
Mech422Home | hmm.. | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | cue deafferret for counter-balancing food commentary | 23:30 |
Mech422Home | heh | 23:31 |
SynQ | ok | 23:38 |
SynQ | off to bed | 23:38 |
SynQ | later | 23:38 |
SynQ | ~ | 23:38 |
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@preaction | anyone on the WRE right now can confirm that i'm not going completely nuts? | 00:28 |
@preaction | if your WebGUI is in /data/WebGUI, go to /data and do "wreservice.pl --restart modperl" | 00:28 |
@preaction | since "." is in the @INC, WebGUI tries to load: WebGUI::lib::WebGUI::Asset and WebGUI::lib::WebGUI::Pluggable and etc... | 00:29 |
@Haarg | interesting | 00:35 |
@Haarg | i would expect that to happen though, yeah | 00:36 |
@preaction | afaik it never caused problems before, now it refuses to start the server | 00:37 |
@preaction | let me find the exact error | 00:37 |
@preaction | and this is probably my fault | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | It's March, preaction, everything is your fault | 00:38 |
@preaction | how it that different from February? | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | February it's khenn's turn | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | I have November | 00:38 |
@preaction | sure, give khenn the smallest month... | 00:38 |
@Haarg | actually, last time i saw that preaction was when there was a /WebGUI directory | 00:40 |
@Haarg | because apache will chdir / | 00:40 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9695 /wrebuild/ (6 files in 2 dirs): | 00:41 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: removed subversion, swig, and neon | 00:41 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: added notes about libgomp for rhel5 | 00:41 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: updated PoCo DNS and PoCo HTTP | 00:41 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: added rsync, ncurses, and readline | 00:41 |
@Haarg | i wonder if we should remove '.' from the lib path in mod_perl | 00:46 |
@preaction | i can't see any good reason why it should be in there | 00:51 |
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+perlDreamer | awesome patspam interview | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | anyone who says WebGUI needs more tests is okay in my book | 01:01 |
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patspam | heh thanks perlDreamer | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | and while we're on the subject, somebody needs to voice our new PBWG in channel | 01:03 |
@preaction | somebody. | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | oh, you know. One of the Plain Black staff people with the leetle askerisks next to their names | 01:03 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, i'm planning on changing wgd reset so options are always set in order of usage, so that 'wgd reset --no-uploads --dev' would recreate uploads but 'wgd reset --no-uploads --dev' would. | 01:30 |
@Haarg | does that seem reasonable? | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | it allows for overriding, so yes | 01:30 |
@Haarg | main reason is to allow for profiles to be overridden because currently they can't be | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | that'll be nice. that way you won't have to write dozens of profiles, just one or two that can be overridden/extended with a few options | 01:32 |
@Haarg | yeah | 01:32 |
@Haarg | i really need to start working on some api docs soon. i've tried to make it simple to use, but that means many parts aren't obvious if you are just reading the code. | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | over the weekend, I found myself wanting to type wgd restart http | 01:33 |
@Haarg | heh | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | which would look in the config file for commands to restart apache | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | so it would work with or without the WRE | 01:33 |
@Haarg | wouldn't be a bad idea | 01:33 |
@Haarg | i have a shell script for that | 01:33 |
@Haarg | since the wreservice script does extra verification that i don't want or need | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | whenever I restart apache, I always wipe the webgui log | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | service httpd stop; echo '' > /var/log/webgui.log; service httpd start | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | typing !service works well | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | until I muck with some other service | 01:34 |
CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop autotest * r966a0af / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : Set directory mode correctly for systems with a max umask of 0777 - http://bit.ly/U8MwD | 01:40 |
CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r6092f7b / lib/WGDev/Command/Base.pm : more flexible command line parsing - http://bit.ly/Y04K | 01:40 |
CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop autotest * rcffc054 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : Merge branch 'master' into autotest - http://bit.ly/sXxPC | 01:40 |
CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r64e5fd0 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : | 01:40 |
CIA-46 | wgdev: clean up argument parsing allowed by Base.pm changes | 01:40 |
CIA-46 | wgdev: Options are set based on their order on the command line. Later options | 01:40 |
CIA-46 | wgdev: override earlier options, including --dev style and --profile style. - http://bit.ly/4lvZcf | 01:40 |
CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rb083bba / lib/WGDev.pm : Also load libs from preload.custom - http://bit.ly/84kr3 | 01:40 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: do !?service httpd | 01:56 |
@preaction | or even just !?httpd | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | !? ?? | 01:56 |
@preaction | ? = search the entire line for this string | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | nice | 01:57 |
@preaction | so !?httpd will look for the last line to have "httpd" in it | 01:57 |
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+perlDreamer | this is very cool: http://www.omnipotent.net/jquery.sparkline/ | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | and for me to say something like that about javascript, you know it's gotta be true | 02:48 |
@preaction | wow | 02:54 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer, you're easily amused. :-P | 02:55 |
SDuensin | I show you guys Cappuccino and you're like, "eh". | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | did you see the little realtime javascript graph of mouse speed? | 02:55 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - http://280atlas.com/ | 02:58 |
+perlDreamer | this is a video? Did they make that with javascript. | 03:05 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9696 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Test adding children, along with automatically adding folders. | 03:05 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9697 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): Add JSON handling, and move code form addRevision to update. | 03:05 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - Look at what their library does. It's amazing. | 03:05 |
+perlDreamer | I'll watch the video later. Right now a violent, impatient 9-year old is clamoring for metro train videos | 03:06 |
SDuensin | Uh, ok. | 03:06 |
* perlDreamer wears many hats | 03:07 |
@preaction | it's like xcode for webapps | 03:09 |
SDuensin | Yep. | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | asking about xcode at this point would be ironic, yes? | 03:10 |
SDuensin | They've basically implemented Cocoa. | 03:10 |
@preaction | xcode is how you write OS X applications | 03:10 |
SDuensin | And "Objective-J". | 03:10 |
SDuensin | www.280slides.com was written with it. | 03:10 |
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@preaction | it'd be interesting to see this backed by Thingy | 03:12 |
SDuensin | ? | 03:12 |
@preaction | use this to build interfaces for Thingy data | 03:12 |
SDuensin | Hell yea. | 03:12 |
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* deafferret eats many hats | 03:32 |
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+perlDreamer | I missed ya today, deafferret | 04:05 |
+perlDreamer | preaction had to eat some parmesan chicked because you were absent | 04:05 |
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deafferret | perlDreamer: Mondays are rough for IRC | 04:40 |
+perlDreamer | lots of meetings? | 04:41 |
deafferret | ya. 2 work locations, meetings all afternoon | 04:41 |
deafferret | I get some work done before 1pm, then not so much | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | since starting my business, the number of meetings had dropped considerably | 04:42 |
deafferret | how do people waste your time if you're the boss? | 04:46 |
+patspam | does anyone know if there a good reason for wre perl to be compiled without threads support? | 04:47 |
+perlDreamer | deafferret, I have children | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | patspam: would it interfere/clash with mod_perl/apache? | 04:50 |
+patspam | I'm wondering that too.. | 04:50 |
+perlDreamer | although, perl -V on fedora says that it has a threaded perl | 04:51 |
+patspam | threads were "new and to be treated with caution" in 5.8, but supposedly stable and only 2% slower these days | 04:51 |
+patspam | yeah i think all the distros are moving to threaded perl now | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, what do you develop and host on? | 04:51 |
+patspam | it might just be a wre legacy thing | 04:51 |
+patspam | i use wre perl | 04:52 |
+patspam | distro? | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 04:52 |
+patspam | ubuntu on my dev box | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | I figure I'm the only person nuts enough to not use the wre | 04:52 |
+patspam | heh | 04:52 |
deafferret | g'night all | 04:52 |
+patspam | you use 5.10, that's awesome | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | later, deafferret | 04:52 |
* perlDreamer wants to use say, ~~, switch and all the other goodies | 04:53 |
+patspam | yeah, i'm dying to use them too | 04:53 |
+patspam | I'll ask the list. I'm sure riven and synq know | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, maybe Haarg, too | 04:55 |
* perlDreamer switches to Dad mode | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | catch y'all later :) | 05:00 |
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+BartJol | nice interview Patrick | 11:17 |
+patspam | thanks Bart :) | 11:24 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9698 /branch/crop/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/File/Image.pm Storage.pm i18n/English/Asset_Image.pm): checkpoint | 13:25 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9699 /branch/crop/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm: checkpoint | 17:14 |
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+BartJol | khenn: I posted a macro for your rfe http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-quotsite-rankingsquot-to-karma | 17:38 |
@khenn | cool | 17:38 |
@khenn | I think I submitted that a few years back | 17:39 |
+BartJol | it kinda works | 17:39 |
@khenn | yeah seems to be missing the stars | 17:39 |
+BartJol | but you need to take care of all the files and groupId | 17:39 |
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+BartJol | but I don't know pb's staff groupId | 17:39 |
+BartJol | and there is more karma nowadays | 17:40 |
+BartJol | but to give all those variables as parameters, seemed a bit odd to me | 17:40 |
+BartJol | oh, and khenn don't minde the part where all the db and ssh data is e-mailed to me, it's not important | 17:42 |
@khenn | heh | 17:42 |
+BartJol | ;) | 17:42 |
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+BartJol | tavisto: now I'm starting to get impatient | 17:44 |
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+BartJol | who does receive messages from posts on the rfe list? I think one can be closed | 18:28 |
@Haarg | which one? | 18:28 |
+BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/last-post-of-a-user-on-the-plainblack-/-webgui_org-site | 18:29 |
+BartJol | wait, maybe I'm wrong | 18:31 |
+BartJol | yeah, I am, again, I'm starting to bug me | 18:31 |
+BartJol | sorry Haarg | 18:31 |
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+BartJol | just wishfull thinking | 18:32 |
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+perlDreamer | haven't read this one yet, but I will later today | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/qibpbk7lXXE/article.pl | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | Comparing usability in wordpress and joomla | 18:42 |
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@Haarg | very odd | 18:56 |
@Haarg | every time i run the full test suite, t/ProfileCategory.t fails | 18:56 |
@Haarg | but if i run it on its own it works | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | have you tried prove -v to figure out exactly what's failing? | 18:57 |
@Haarg | not yet | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try it on my dev box to see what happens | 18:58 |
@Haarg | that would be a books worth of output to go through though | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | but when I helped SynQ with the WRE two weeks ago, full test suites were passing | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | are you using any switches? | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | CODE_COP? | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | TEST_POD? | 18:59 |
@Haarg | both | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try a quick run without, and see what that turns up | 19:00 |
@Haarg | there are a couple test failures i have fixes for | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 19:01 |
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+perlDreamer | back | 19:05 |
@Haarg | re http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9808 | 19:06 |
@Haarg | i think there's a typo there, and it it breaks the help test | 19:06 |
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+perlDreamer | that's possible, but I thought I ran the i18n and help tests after fixing that | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | for me profileCategory.t fails without the extra switches | 19:11 |
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+perlDreamer | dumping categories and rerunning | 19:16 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: I changed two things at the same time | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | 1) added dumping to the ProfileCategories test | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | 2) Fixed a permission problem on uploads/temp | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | the next test run did not fail with profileCategory.t | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | which tests do you have fixes for? | 19:21 |
@Haarg | survey | 19:21 |
@Haarg | which is committed | 19:21 |
@Haarg | and the ad tests | 19:21 |
@Haarg | i'm going to keep looking at ProfileCategory | 19:21 |
@Haarg | if you could look at help i'd appreciate it | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | you bet | 19:22 |
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SynQ2 | hi all | 19:23 |
@Haarg | greetings | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | hole, SynQ2 | 19:23 |
SynQ2 | I was wondering | 19:23 |
SynQ2 | last night JT said that it was unwise to update the perl modules in the WRE when new perl modules are available, since that would introduce more bugs than it would solve. | 19:24 |
SynQ2 | I have thought about that | 19:24 |
SynQ2 | and I think I disagree | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | if he were here, he would point out the JSON module as an example of that | 19:25 |
* MrHairgrease is nit surpised =) | 19:25 |
SynQ2 | but that was a MAJOR upgrade | 19:25 |
SynQ2 | not a minor one | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | there were problem in the 1.9 series of JSON, as well | 19:25 |
SynQ2 | that was not a bugfix | 19:25 |
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SynQ2 | that was a full upgrade to a different program | 19:25 |
SynQ2 | new features in webgui also introduce more bugs in the beginning than leaving them be would? | 19:26 |
SynQ2 | but I agree on the 'stable' vs. 'experimental' view with JT though | 19:27 |
SynQ2 | which sort of defies the argument :) | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, it's fixed and committed. I either missed that, or didn't run the test | 19:30 |
@Haarg | thanks | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | is VersionTag.t failing for you? | 19:31 |
@Haarg | no | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'll rerun it, and try it standalone | 19:31 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/73413 | 19:32 |
@Haarg | pod on ::ProfileCategory->set says 'Update the profile field properties. Any property that is missing, or empty will be replaced with a default.' | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | that's not true either, but it's more accurate than what was there. | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | the 3 flags get reset if they are not present | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | but the labels don't | 19:37 |
@Haarg | you sure? | 19:38 |
@Haarg | reads to me like they get reset if not provided | 19:38 |
@Haarg | which is what causes the test to fail | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | then why does it behave differently if you run it standalone? | 19:39 |
@Haarg | it doesn't i don't think | 19:39 |
@Haarg | i think i've just been neglecting to reset between test runs :/ | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 19:39 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9700 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.t: survey test fix | 19:40 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9701 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Search.pm: Fix a missing help entry in the i18n for the Search. | 19:40 |
SynQ2 | I would like to see Cache in the configfile turned to 'Database' by default, what are the arguments against that? | 19:42 |
@Haarg | there are situations where the file cache perfoms better, but i tend to agree that db cache should be default | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | I used to think it was good that the tests kind of cross checked one another, but there are times when it is a huge pain | 19:44 |
@Haarg | committed profilecategory test fix | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, that test is "destructive" in that it changes the db config | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | should it reset that at the END? | 19:47 |
@Haarg | which test? | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | ProfileCategory.t | 19:47 |
@Haarg | ah | 19:47 |
@Haarg | yeah, it probably should | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | I'll fix that | 19:48 |
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SDuensin | Hey gang, is there a way to allow users edit rights to a page without creating a group for every one of them? | 19:54 |
@Haarg | they can be set as the owner | 19:55 |
@Haarg | there can only be one owner of course | 19:55 |
SDuensin | Then just put them in "Turn Admin On"? | 19:55 |
@Haarg | yeah | 19:56 |
SDuensin | Ok, cool. I was headed that way, but figured I'd make sure. | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm still having wgd reset problems | 19:58 |
@Haarg | permissions? | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:58 |
@Haarg | how are they getting set? | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | the uploads/temp is never changed to be group writable | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | drwxr-sr-x 18 apache users 4096 2009-03-03 10:00 temp | 19:58 |
@Haarg | i'm guessing a webgui problem | 19:59 |
@Haarg | since wgd reset won't create 'temp' | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | good point | 19:59 |
@Haarg | and webgui doesn't have that same permissions logic | 19:59 |
@tavisto | SynQ2, did you get JT's email a few minutes ago? :) | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | this must happen during the upgrade then | 20:00 |
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@tavisto | Mech422, you around? | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 20:02 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9702 /WebGUI/t/ProfileCategory.t: fix ProfileCategory test misusing the API | 20:08 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9703 /WebGUI/t/ProfileCategory.t: Restore the original properties for the profile category that was modified for test. | 20:08 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9704 /wrebuild/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Tools for developers in a separate directory. | 20:08 |
* perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:10 |
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SynQ2 | ok | 20:18 |
SynQ2 | tavisto: my response has been posted just now :) | 20:18 |
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SynQ2 | I was busy looking at it | 20:18 |
SynQ2 | hi Kristy | 20:19 |
SynQ2 | ie | 20:19 |
@tavisto | what do you think? | 20:19 |
SynQ2 | tavisto: http://www.webgui.org/web_design_templates_and_themes/webgui-site-redesign/1 | 20:19 |
SynQ2 | :) | 20:19 |
SynQ2 | my first reaction was: 'where do I have to start' | 20:20 |
SynQ2 | they all have so much info in it | 20:20 |
SynQ2 | http://www.joomla.org/ | 20:20 |
SynQ2 | three clear choices for newcomers | 20:21 |
SynQ2 | not to much butterflies all over the page | 20:21 |
SynQ2 | that I like | 20:21 |
SynQ2 | this is allready a bit less: http://www.typo3.com and gives me the same reaction as the current suggestion in 'webgui-site-redesign' | 20:22 |
SynQ2 | This is a bit too boring for my taste: http://www.opencms.org/en/ | 20:22 |
SynQ2 | This is perhaps even better then the joomla site: http://www.opensourcecms.com | 20:23 |
SynQ2 | for a landing page that is | 20:23 |
SynQ2 | For a community portal this is not bad: http://php.opensourcecms.com/ allthough I still think 'IN YOUR FACE' banners suck especially if they move | 20:24 |
SynQ2 | This has the same 'suggested' clockwork http://ariadne.muze.nl/ and has had that for years now | 20:26 |
@tavisto | ack, that looks like something from a mid 90's powerpoint | 20:26 |
@tavisto | I don't like the typo3 site at all, looks low budget IMO | 20:27 |
SynQ2 | well | 20:27 |
@tavisto | I like joomla's site, and open source cms intro is not real useful | 20:27 |
@tavisto | it's just a splash with 3 options | 20:27 |
@tavisto | :) | 20:27 |
SynQ2 | ok | 20:27 |
SynQ2 | for a newcomer 3 options is allready a lot :) | 20:27 |
@tavisto | we are trying to instantly present options to people AND reach out to newbs | 20:27 |
SynQ2 | have you read my post? | 20:28 |
@tavisto | so maybe we can improve the newbie friendliness | 20:28 |
@tavisto | yep | 20:28 |
SynQ2 | if you then look at the joomla site | 20:28 |
SynQ2 | these 3 large things on the top | 20:28 |
@tavisto | I think the crown is supposed to be the thing that reaches out to the new visitors. But what you are saying is that you didn't see that when the design loaded? | 20:28 |
SynQ2 | that is drawing all your attention to it | 20:28 |
SynQ2 | no I didn't | 20:28 |
SynQ2 | I gather Wg2009spec.jpg is the landingpage? | 20:29 |
@tavisto | yeah, I understand that, we did the same thing with the 3 categories on our site. However, you're right we did opt to go with a designer section instead of a new visitor section | 20:29 |
@tavisto | yes, that is the home | 20:29 |
SynQ2 | what I saw there was 'designer' 'community' 'developer' | 20:29 |
@tavisto | I talked with Mego about whether or not a designer section at the bottom would be as important as having a new visitor section | 20:29 |
SynQ2 | what I missed was 'Right here, right now' I only saw that when I really looked at the page for like 20 seconds | 20:30 |
SynQ2 | that middle section should me more 'in your face' | 20:30 |
@tavisto | gotcha, we'll lets see what other people say and maybe there will be a case for one of the sections to switch to new visitors | 20:30 |
SynQ2 | thus lighter and bigger than the 3 'designer' 'community' 'developer' thing | 20:30 |
SynQ2 | I'll do a mockup of what I mean | 20:31 |
SynQ2 | hang on... | 20:31 |
@tavisto | sure, you should attach it to your post for greater clarification | 20:31 |
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@bopbop | SynQ2: just read your post, and I love the idea of using a dashboard so users can customize the type of news or updates they want to see | 20:54 |
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SynQ2 | ok | 21:00 |
SynQ2 | added mockup to the discussion page | 21:00 |
SynQ2 | bopbop: do say that on the disussion in that place | 21:06 |
@bopbop | yep, will do | 21:06 |
SynQ2 | the more people join in the discussion the better the site will become | 21:06 |
SynQ2 | have you seen my mockup? | 21:06 |
SynQ2 | Obviously I am not a designer | 21:07 |
@bopbop | I did- JT will say you're trying to copy Joomla, which he won't like :) | 21:07 |
@bopbop | however, | 21:07 |
@bopbop | I do think it draws attention to those areas nicely | 21:08 |
SynQ2 | I am not trying to copy Joomla | 21:08 |
@bopbop | it was something the designer was struggling with | 21:08 |
SynQ2 | I would like to copy their method of drawing attention to the 'go next here' way | 21:08 |
SynQ2 | beter stolen well then created poorly | 21:08 |
@bopbop | I know you're not trying to copy Joomla.... I understand the intention, and I agree that it does a nice job of making it obvious for site users | 21:09 |
SynQ2 | ok | 21:09 |
SynQ2 | than say that on the discussion :) | 21:09 |
@bopbop | ok | 21:09 |
SynQ2 | I gotta run | 21:09 |
SynQ2 | driving home to wife and kid | 21:09 |
SynQ2 | I'll be online tonight | 21:09 |
SynQ2 | in an hour or so | 21:09 |
+MrHairgrease | is there something like a pastebin for images? | 21:24 |
+MrHairgrease | ah, imagebin.ca | 21:25 |
+MrHairgrease | anybody see the link? http://imagebin.ca/view/KMAetx.html | 21:25 |
+MrHairgrease | finally some recognision! | 21:25 |
* SDuensin preaches the good word all over! | 21:37 |
+MrHairgrease | the weird thing is, though, that in all the comments the word webgui isn't being mentioned as far as i can tell | 21:38 |
+MrHairgrease | apart from the tag that is | 21:38 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, it must have been a keyword entered by the submitter | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | but, you're right! | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | Now, someone with a slashdot account, go talk about WebGUI in that thread! | 22:05 |
@preaction | i believe in slashdot you can be a normal user and tag articles | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | is webgui.org down? | 22:09 |
* deafferret votes no | 22:09 |
@preaction | not for me | 22:09 |
@preaction | wonderful. WebGUI::User->acceptsPrivateMessages takes a userId, but WebGUI::User->acceptsFriendsRequest takes another WebGUI::User object... | 22:13 |
@preaction | it also does no validation, so the error shows up in WebGUI::Cache::FileCache | 22:13 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9705 /WebGUI/ (t/AdSpace.t lib/WebGUI/AdSpace/Ad.pm t/AdSpace/Ad.t): fix AdSpace, Ad tests | 22:17 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9706 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.14 release | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: we have to make WebGUI 8 have a common API | 22:21 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: do you have a dropbox? | 22:22 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:22 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, are you in the middle of a release? | 22:48 |
@Haarg | yes | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | I'm glad I asked :) | 22:48 |
@Haarg | and i'll be branching after that | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | it's just a fix for extra debug output in a test | 22:49 |
+perlDreamer | it'll wait | 22:49 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9707 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.14-stable: Release 7.6.14-stable | 23:06 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9708 /branch/WebGUI_7.6: Create branch WebGUI_7.6 | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | boy, it was nice just having one branch for a while... | 23:10 |
@preaction | heh, i never have less than 7 different webguis on my system, and with git i suspect i'll be branching and merging a lot more | 23:11 |
@preaction | one? what is this number you speak of? | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | 1 | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | there, hope that helps | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | one | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | uno | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | einz | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | that which is singular in nature, yet having a quantity along the real axis | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | number of noses currently on your face | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | pd: it's eins | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | it's just my Schwabish accent. Sorry, MrHairgrease. | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm not offended | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | My German sucks anyway | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 23:16 |
SDuensin | I get this a lot, should I worry? WebGUI::Operation::Cron::www_runCronJob[295] - Could not create workflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007': It is a singleton workflow and is still running from the last invocation. | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, you should find out that that workflow is, and why it's running for so long | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | it's likely an email related workflow, and if it can't keep up, you can start to develop a backlog | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | call RotoRooter | 23:17 |
SDuensin | It is, but I don't think I'm sending that much. | 23:17 |
@Haarg | yes, that is the mail queue workflow | 23:17 |
SDuensin | mailq says it's empty. | 23:17 |
SDuensin | Ran across that while trying to figure out why my calendar isn't pulling in a feed. | 23:19 |
SDuensin | can you make a tmpl_loop run backwards? | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | not in HTML::Template at least | 23:45 |
SDuensin | Ok. I'm not entirely sure what this lady is wanting from me anyway. :-) | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | what is she trying to do? | 23:45 |
SDuensin | Beats me. I've got an online store for her and she wants everything "reversed". | 23:46 |
SDuensin | I'm assuming she means the order the products are displayed. | 23:46 |
SDuensin | I flipped 'em in the asset manager. | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | much easier | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | you can do that with variants, too, if you have the variant editing controls displayed | 23:47 |
SDuensin | Yea, but she said "reverse it", so I did that. Now she says "reverse it". Um. Ok. | 23:47 |
SDuensin | Dude, don't even get me going on the variants again. :-P | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | lineage is not versioned, so that shouldn't be a problem | 23:48 |
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SynQ | hi there :) | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | he's back! | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 00:41 |
* preaction hides | 00:42 |
SynQ | I'm just a boy whose intentions are good, o god please don't let me be misunderstood | 00:45 |
* SynQ turns away from those unfriendly peoply who make him feel like he is not wanted here | 00:46 |
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@preaction | NO WAIT COME BACK I LOVE YOUUUUU | 00:46 |
@preaction | sigh... i'm gonna miss him | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | don't feel too bad, he didn't really leave | 00:51 |
deafferret | you misunderstood | 00:51 |
deafferret | right after he told you not to | 00:51 |
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@preaction | yay! the prodigal sun returns | 00:52 |
SynQ | let's try that again | 00:52 |
SynQ | hi there :) | 00:52 |
SynQ | I have had a very hard day | 00:52 |
SynQ | and my toes are very easily tred upon right now | 00:53 |
@preaction | we love you, really | 00:53 |
SynQ | but that is not your fault actually | 00:53 |
@preaction | we tease because we care | 00:53 |
SynQ | I know | 00:53 |
@preaction | i know, you're just easy to love | 00:53 |
@preaction | i try to fight it, but i can't help myself | 00:53 |
@preaction | WHY OH WHY CAN'T I QUIT YOU | 00:53 |
SynQ | hehe | 00:54 |
SynQ | today is a day where everything goes wrong | 00:54 |
@preaction | heh, and that's different from every other day.. how? | 00:55 |
SynQ | in that on other days I still move forward in one way or another | 00:55 |
@preaction | ah, yeah i can see that being an issue | 00:55 |
SynQ | my car broke down one day before being scheduled for maintenance at the garage | 00:56 |
* perlDreamer is sorry, SynQ. It was a poor joke at your expense. | 00:56 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: it's ok | 00:56 |
@preaction | it's all your fault you insensitive ass | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | it's true | 00:56 |
SynQ | I love you both | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | And I just went and pissed off ehab | 00:56 |
SynQ | to make up for it? | 00:56 |
@preaction | omg! stop! i can't fix everything! | 00:56 |
SynQ | I know | 00:57 |
SynQ | but your last post on working at home was really helpfull to me | 00:57 |
@preaction | heh, but your car had it in for you, seriously ;) | 00:57 |
@preaction | i told it not to, but it felt like playing a joke | 00:57 |
SynQ | it was just that small tip over the border I needed to set some lines in our household | 00:57 |
SynQ | if I want to work I'm working | 00:57 |
SynQ | like right now | 00:58 |
SynQ | :P | 00:58 |
SynQ | I still get 30 more minutes to work | 00:58 |
@preaction | yeah, when i was working in my living room with my gf living here, i wouldn't get any work done until she left | 00:58 |
SynQ | but you got a lot of action and that is worth someting ;) | 00:59 |
@preaction | well, not so much action, which is why i will now amend my comment by saying "ex-gf" | 00:59 |
SynQ | ah | 00:59 |
@preaction | can't win them all | 00:59 |
@preaction | can't even win most of them | 00:59 |
@preaction | but the ones you do win make up for everything | 01:00 |
SynQ | at least I have I very sweet and loving wife and a adorable baby | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | she isn't reading over your shoulder, is she? | 01:00 |
@preaction | mmm raison d'etre | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | my wife does that all the time | 01:00 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: she is feeding Emma | 01:00 |
SynQ | so no | 01:00 |
@preaction | ha, she doesn't have to, that's why SynQ is better than us! | 01:00 |
SynQ | she isn't | 01:01 |
@preaction | he doesn't have that mixed awe/fear of his wife, they are equal partners in this journey of life! | 01:01 |
@preaction | it's all awe, baby! | 01:01 |
@preaction | awe-some! | 01:01 |
SynQ | she knows I am an open book and always direct so no need to read over my shoulder indeed | 01:01 |
@preaction | okay, maybe laid it on a bittle thick there | 01:01 |
@preaction | ooh, i made a new word | 01:01 |
@preaction | where's the coffee? | 01:01 |
SynQ | preaction: well actually | 01:01 |
SynQ | that sums it up pretty well | 01:02 |
@preaction | wait, it's after 5p. no more caffiene for me | 01:02 |
SynQ | where can I order a sixpack of spotted cow? | 01:02 |
@preaction | uhh... durno | 01:03 |
SynQ | New Glarus beer is available only in Wisconsin. | 01:03 |
@preaction | we don't have many online grocery stores around here. peepod died pretty quick | 01:03 |
SynQ | says: http://www.newglarusbrewing.com/Distribution.cfm | 01:03 |
SynQ | that sucks | 01:03 |
@preaction | yeah, that too | 01:03 |
@preaction | that does suck, more people need the awesomeness that is new glarus beers | 01:03 |
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@preaction | when i'm not getting new glarus, or stuff from the Great Dane (a nice oatmeal stout), i settle for guinness stout | 01:04 |
@preaction | Great Dane is even less distributed than New Glarus | 01:04 |
SynQ | what county is madison in? | 01:04 |
@preaction | Dane county, WI | 01:05 |
SynQ | ah nice | 01:05 |
SynQ | preaction: do you know hopgoblin? | 01:06 |
@preaction | nope | 01:06 |
SynQ | Hobgoblin even | 01:07 |
SynQ | http://www.wychwood.co.uk/ | 01:07 |
SynQ | they have got paddy'sTout | 01:08 |
SynQ | that is nice too | 01:08 |
SynQ | very hoppy | 01:09 |
@preaction | sounds nice | 01:09 |
SynQ | I'm starting to get thirsty | 01:10 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9710 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Wobject/StoryArchive.pm Story.pm): Handle the case when purging a story, and there's no storage location. | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | are new template variables supposed to be camel case, or underscored? | 02:23 |
@preaction | i tend to use underscore for categories | 02:25 |
@preaction | so "url_view" "user_firstName" "exif_cameraType" | 02:25 |
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+perlDreamer | thanks, preaction. | 02:30 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9711 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: Tests for StoryArchive view variables. | 02:34 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9712 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Template help and i18n for the view template. | 02:34 |
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@preaction | i think we need to have another look at the user profile API | 03:12 |
@preaction | list-type fields, $user->profileField('alist') returns the value, but sometimes i will want the label | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | isn't that usually i18n'ed? | 03:13 |
@preaction | if it is, it's not editable by the admin | 03:13 |
@preaction | they can't add new options without me | 03:13 |
@preaction | which i think defeats the purpose | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | just what is it that you're trying to do? | 03:14 |
@preaction | so either i can't program against a list type, or they can't edit the list type | 03:14 |
* perlDreamer puts on his suspicious old man developer hat | 03:14 |
@preaction | there's a list type, i need to display the value in a template | 03:14 |
@preaction | er.. i mean the label | 03:14 |
@preaction | but that means i have to instantiate the profile field and parse the options, a suboptimal solution | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | I think you'll have to do that in any case | 03:14 |
@preaction | especially since that means i am essentially tying myself to that profile field type | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | it only stores the value | 03:15 |
@preaction | if it later becomes a text type, my code breaks | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | that is true | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | but how often is "sometimes"? | 03:18 |
@preaction | anytime i am displaying the value to the end-user | 03:19 |
@preaction | however, when searching, i have to use the internal value | 03:19 |
@preaction | ... even more ugliness | 03:19 |
@preaction | oh, well, i suppose if they're both the same it doesn't matter | 03:19 |
@preaction | and if they're not there has to be a damned good reason for it | 03:19 |
+perlDreamer | in the profile itself, this isn't a problem, since it has access to the possibleValues hash for the list type | 03:20 |
+perlDreamer | so it's only outside of it that's a problem | 03:20 |
+perlDreamer | like the User macro | 03:20 |
@preaction | and it's only a problem if the admin assigns a key:value pair, instead of just value\nvalue\n | 03:20 |
+perlDreamer | does that work? I thought all list types were key/value pairs. | 03:21 |
@preaction | there are a few different ways of configuring form controls, which i hope to consolidate sometime soon. the most common way is the one the DataForm uses | 03:22 |
@preaction | which allow for values, one per line. or key|value one per line | 03:22 |
+perlDreamer | it's time for me to take a break | 03:23 |
+perlDreamer | I keep typing worfklow | 03:24 |
@preaction | heh, yeah, sounds like | 03:24 |
+perlDreamer | that's worse than tempalte | 03:24 |
@preaction | though i should mention i always type worlfkow | 03:24 |
+perlDreamer | bbl | 03:24 |
* perlDreamer is secretly hoping he's channeling Roddenbery | 03:24 |
+perlDreamer | worf klow must be klingon | 03:25 |
SDuensin | So would I be insane to allow every user the ability to create a page on my site? | 03:30 |
@preaction | nope | 03:33 |
SDuensin | Muhahaha. | 03:33 |
@preaction | for what purpose? | 03:35 |
SDuensin | Give everyone in town a home page on the town's web site. | 03:36 |
@preaction | ah, nice | 03:37 |
SDuensin | Still trying to figure out where my calendar feed went. | 03:38 |
@preaction | you could modify the demo system to give everyone their own site | 03:38 |
SDuensin | Does it expect to read external calendars in iCal format? | 03:38 |
SDuensin | No, they want their own site, they get to BUY it. :-) | 03:38 |
@preaction | iCalendar format, yes | 03:38 |
SDuensin | But yes, I'm hacking things up to automate that as well. | 03:38 |
SDuensin | Ok, that's why my feed isn't working. | 03:38 |
SDuensin | Man, every time I import a calendar feed, I get duplicates. :-( | 04:07 |
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elnino | HI! I'm now installing wre on an ubunto system.. new experience... anyway, it's already have perl on it.. So, if I want to install wre, do I uninstall the existing perl first? or does wre install in the "normal" directorys and will overwrite the existing install? | 04:08 |
elnino | what what version of perl is in the latest wre version? | 04:08 |
SDuensin | I imported the US Holidays calendar from Google. I have things like St. Patrick's Day on both the 17th (correct) and the 18th (not). | 04:08 |
SDuensin | Looks like 5.10.0, elnino | 04:09 |
@preaction | elnino: the WRE installs in its own directory. when you're using it, you make sure to ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh" (there is a space between . and /), so that you are using the correct Perl | 04:09 |
SDuensin | wait. | 04:09 |
SDuensin | 5.8.8 | 04:10 |
SDuensin | preaction - Ever see that calendar issue before? | 04:10 |
@preaction | yes, i suspect time-zone issues | 04:10 |
SDuensin | :-( | 04:11 |
@preaction | is it exactly 5 hours off each way? | 04:11 |
* SDuensin is CST. | 04:11 |
SDuensin | Checking. | 04:11 |
@preaction | CST would be 6 hours then | 04:11 |
SDuensin | Not sure. For example, St. Pat's says: SCHEDULED | 04:12 |
SDuensin | Tuesday, March 17 ? Wednesday, March 18 | 04:12 |
SDuensin | http://new.smithton.net/calendar/events?type=list | 04:13 |
@preaction | look at the details for the event in the webgui calendar | 04:13 |
SDuensin | That's where I got the text I pasted. There are no times. | 04:13 |
@preaction | huh, that's weird | 04:14 |
SDuensin | http://new.smithton.net/calendar/events/st6.-patricks-d | 04:14 |
SDuensin | Leave it to me to find "weird". | 04:14 |
@preaction | i'd post it as a bug and attach the icalendar feed you got the event from | 04:14 |
@preaction | peraps the parser is choking again | 04:14 |
SDuensin | ok - can do | 04:14 |
SDuensin | Thanks. | 04:14 |
SDuensin | 7.6.14? When'd that sneak out!? | 04:14 |
@preaction | today | 04:14 |
SDuensin | Here I was going to load 13 and got a nice surprise. :-) | 04:15 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, no more bugs | 04:18 |
+perlDreamer | all bugs in the core have been fixed | 04:18 |
elnino | so. do I need to remive the existing perl before installing wre? or am I ok with both instances? | 04:18 |
+perlDreamer | to get new bugs, we need new code | 04:18 |
+perlDreamer | calendar is old cod | 04:18 |
elnino | sounds like Ican have both. | 04:18 |
+perlDreamer | no code | 04:18 |
@preaction | elnino: you're okay with both. the . /... thing does the switch for you | 04:18 |
+perlDreamer | no bugs in it | 04:18 |
@preaction | that's how we could fix the calendar! | 04:19 |
SDuensin | :-P | 04:19 |
+perlDreamer | take all the code out of it? yup, that would work | 04:19 |
@preaction | no code == no bugs! | 04:19 |
@preaction | then i can keep my hair! | 04:20 |
* preaction pets his hair lovingly | 04:20 |
+perlDreamer | what does your hair have to do with calendar bugs? | 04:20 |
@preaction | they're making me lose my hair! | 04:20 |
elnino | thatnks preaction and SDuensin for your help. | 04:20 |
+perlDreamer | well, if the calendar is making you lose hair, what is the unmentionalble asset doing to you? | 04:21 |
SDuensin | Anytime, elnino - WebGUI is DA BOMB! | 04:21 |
+perlDreamer | we do not use its name... | 04:21 |
@preaction | THAT one is working fine, because the person who wrote it was smart | 04:21 |
SDuensin | Bug filed. | 04:22 |
@preaction | or do you mean that OTHER asset | 04:22 |
+perlDreamer | won't say it | 04:22 |
@preaction | there's only one asset that is the bane of my existence, and that is the Calendar | 04:24 |
@preaction | all other assets are cool with me | 04:24 |
+perlDreamer | DTSTART=;VALUE=DATE:20090222\nDTEND;VALUE=DATE:20090223 | 04:24 |
+perlDreamer | that's why they're two days long | 04:24 |
@preaction | the only problem is there's some sort of comraderie between assets, and they won't gangstomp the calendar for me | 04:24 |
+perlDreamer | because they SAY they're 2 days long | 04:25 |
SDuensin | They do? That's F'ed up! | 04:25 |
@preaction | YEAH! SCORE 1 FOR NOT MY FAULT! | 04:25 |
SDuensin | hehehe | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | Google attempts to take over the world by reworking specs | 04:25 |
* preaction does not mention the score for "TOTALLY MY FAULT" | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | sounds vaguely familiar.. | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | perlbot: karma preaction | 04:25 |
perlbot | Karma for preaction: 32 | 04:25 |
SDuensin | Ok, so if I yank the feed now, do I have to manually remove each entry from my calendar? | 04:26 |
@preaction | uh... yes? | 04:26 |
@preaction | i don't remember really | 04:26 |
SDuensin | That's not the right answer! | 04:26 |
+perlDreamer | hold his feet to the fire, SDuensin! | 04:28 |
SDuensin | But... But... How can Google be WRONG?! | 04:28 |
+perlDreamer | you know, in that wordpress/joomla article, WebGUI compares pretty well to wordpress in number of clicks | 04:33 |
SDuensin | Number of clicks? | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | The author compares usability to the number of clicks it takes to do something | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | like, add a blog | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | add an article, page | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | etc | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/ | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | this is where rizen and tavisto need to step quickly in and compare WebGUI to Wordpress, Joomla and Drupal | 04:35 |
@preaction | http://blog.tmcnet.com/telecom-crm/2009/01/15/sagecrm-v62-wheaton-college-and-webgui-alterian-and-jaguar-accenture-r.asp <- anyone see this? second section | 04:36 |
SDuensin | I've used all three. My empire runs on WebGUI. My last non-GUI site is going bye-bye this week. | 04:37 |
SDuensin | Excellent! Go Wheaton! | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | nice! | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | more linkage | 04:39 |
@preaction | uhoh, on their library site they've got a "New! Try our new catalog interface", which isn't WebGUI | 04:39 |
@preaction | http://library.wheaton.edu/ | 04:39 |
SDuensin | Kick their ass. | 04:40 |
@preaction | and it looks like they could use some development guides | 04:40 |
@preaction | nono, though perhaps we should enter a beneficial business relationship with them | 04:40 |
@preaction | tavisto! | 04:40 |
@preaction | damn him.. never around when i need him | 04:40 |
@preaction | marketing jocks are all the same | 04:40 |
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+perlDreamer | maybe you have to say his name 3 times, like Beetlejuice? | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, that's also 7.0.8 | 04:41 |
@preaction | yeah, i saw that too | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | old 7x code | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | upgrades would do them a world of good | 04:42 |
@preaction | which is why it's vitally important that we tell them, if they're migrating away from webgui, to upgrade before they finalize that decision | 04:42 |
@preaction | 7.0 is what, 3 years old now? | 04:42 |
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+perlDreamer | if it's user facing, wouldn't it be finalized? | 04:42 |
@preaction | it's under development, we still have a chance! we break in and steal the SOURCE | 04:43 |
@preaction | because there's no chance they have a robust backup procedure or anything | 04:43 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto | 04:44 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto | 04:44 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto | 04:44 |
@preaction | he cannot help us | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | he can tomorrow | 04:46 |
@preaction | we must h4x0r teh g1b53n | 04:46 |
+perlDreamer | stop daydreaming about Angelina Jolie | 04:46 |
@preaction | her lips are horrific | 04:46 |
@preaction | if only she didn't have those lips... | 04:47 |
@preaction | she's close, but no cigar | 04:47 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know... | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | anybody that can curve a bullet around a room like that | 04:48 |
* perlDreamer switches to Daddy mode. | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | okay, i procrastinated | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | the new interface is WebGUI, too | 04:52 |
@preaction | really? | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 04:52 |
@preaction | i checked the source and it didn't have the generator tag | 04:52 |
+perlDreamer | that's what the librarian says | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | they have a realtime meebo chat interface :) | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | either that, or this librarian doesn't know | 04:53 |
* SDuensin uses Meebo on some WG sites. | 04:53 |
@preaction | the "VuFind discovery interface" thing isn't WG | 04:54 |
+perlDreamer | it sure doesn't look like it | 04:54 |
@preaction | eh, i see how it is though, there are about 50 different systems to integrate | 04:54 |
@preaction | colleges outrank gov't agencies in complexity | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | they have fewer funds | 04:55 |
* perlDreamer really goes into daddy mode now :) | 04:55 |
@preaction | http://www.gspm.org/Julie+Germany/130_Why-the-State-Department-Gets-It <- a nice blurb about one of our clients | 04:56 |
@preaction | okay, so if when creating a new user, their profile fields don't get any privacy values to start with, is that a bug? | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | ask khenn | 05:03 |
@preaction | yeah, sent him an e-mail | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like it needs a test written for that | 05:03 |
@khenn | yes that's a bug | 05:08 |
@preaction | submitting a bug | 05:09 |
SDuensin | How do I run spectre in debug so I can watch it? | 05:11 |
@khenn | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin | 05:12 |
@khenn | perl spectre.pl --debug I think | 05:12 |
@preaction | --run --debug | 05:12 |
SDuensin | ko | 05:13 |
SDuensin | Got a workflow going nuts here. | 05:13 |
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knowmad | patspam: nice write-up in PBWG | 05:18 |
knowmad | i never knew about that "easter egg" hidden in the gooey dolls | 05:18 |
+patspam | heh thanks william | 05:19 |
SDuensin | Man, something is MAD. Apache over-runs the memory limit about every 3 seconds. | 05:19 |
knowmad | i'll have to try it when i get to work tomorrow and see if it works! | 05:19 |
SDuensin | EAster egg? | 05:19 |
knowmad | read Pat's writeup -- http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/campaigns/people/patrick-donelan | 05:19 |
@preaction | SDuensin: perhaps the memory limit is too small? | 05:19 |
SDuensin | Beats me. Whatever shipped with it, I think. | 05:19 |
SDuensin | $Apache2::SizeLimit::MAX_PROCESS_SIZE = 100000; | 05:20 |
SDuensin | $Apache2::SizeLimit::MAX_UNSHARED_SIZE = 75000; | 05:20 |
* knowmad is signing off | 05:23 |
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@preaction | SDuensin: yeah, up those both to 110000 | 05:24 |
SDuensin | ok | 05:24 |
@preaction | it's Apache2::SizeLimit killing processes, right? | 05:24 |
SDuensin | yea | 05:25 |
@preaction | yeah, then that's the way to fix that | 05:25 |
@preaction | god... why is my drowsiness going away now... | 05:25 |
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SDuensin | When do user workflows run? At logon? Creation? | 05:29 |
@preaction | creation or update, depends on which trigger you use | 05:30 |
@preaction | they are set in the Settings panel | 05:30 |
SDuensin | Looking. | 05:31 |
* SDuensin is installing http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/workflow-activity-to-create-personal-user-areas-when-user-is-created | 05:31 |
SDuensin | AH! The docs missed that part. | 05:32 |
SDuensin | Or I missed that part. Thanks again. | 05:32 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9713 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm): fixed #9852: Users can accept private messages from Visitor, but Visitor cannot send messages | 05:39 |
+perlDreamer | where's the test for that? | 05:40 |
@preaction | BITE ME | 05:40 |
@preaction | i mean, i left it in my other pants | 05:40 |
+perlDreamer | and don't forget to backport it | 05:40 |
@preaction | backport? | 05:40 |
@preaction | GOD | 05:40 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:40 |
+perlDreamer | back to 7.6 | 05:40 |
+perlDreamer | from 7.7 | 05:40 |
@preaction | i was all happy like "This will be easy" and you come and STOMP ON MY DREAMS | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | actually, I think he did some backporting | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | he forked Adam and made Eve | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | and it still doesn't say where all those wives came from | 05:41 |
+patspam | http://www.sdhconsulting.com.au/tmp/passive-analytics-icons1.jpg | 05:41 |
+patspam | preferences? | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | middle one | 05:42 |
@preaction | bar graph | 05:42 |
@preaction | line graph isn't as obvious "THIS IS A GRAPH" | 05:42 |
@preaction | bar graph is blunt, like a bar | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | it's not a graph, it's a path through a website | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | passively analyzing where the user has gone | 05:42 |
@preaction | oh, | 05:42 |
+perlDreamer | and, may I say, Wow does Andy make nice graphics. | 05:42 |
@preaction | indeed | 05:43 |
+perlDreamer | why isn't he in IRC? | 05:43 |
@preaction | perhaps make the user guy bigger? | 05:43 |
@preaction | and the line graph in front of the user | 05:43 |
+patspam | I'll see if i can get him in here | 05:43 |
+perlDreamer | back to showering kids, be back in 15 | 05:43 |
+patspam | what irc client do you OSX folks use? | 05:44 |
@preaction | some use colloquy, but I use Xchat Aqua | 05:44 |
SDuensin | XCHAT! | 05:45 |
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+patspam | heh thanks, I think he'll be here shortly | 05:48 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm back | 06:01 |
+perlDreamer | andyiomoon, your graphics are awesome! | 06:02 |
elnino | YEA! | 06:02 |
andyiomoon | hehheh - why thank you | 06:02 |
andyiomoon | as I was telling Pat - I haven't used IRC in years! | 06:03 |
* patspam chalks up another australian in the channel.. grand total of 3 | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | that means you just passed up the Dutch | 06:03 |
andyiomoon | who is the third? | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | and that's an accomplishment | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | Radix | 06:03 |
+patspam | he's in Perth | 06:03 |
elnino | no sorry, I don't know andyiomoon. YEA that perlDreamer is back. But I'll say "yea" for andyiomoon's graphics too. | 06:03 |
andyiomoon | or if I am the third who is the second | 06:03 |
andyiomoon | ah cool | 06:03 |
+patspam | elnino: andy is the "S" in SDH | 06:04 |
elnino | whos SDH? Oh good grief.. maybe I should read some history before "jumping in" (Hi patspam) | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, have you kept up with the latest PBWG interview on webgui.org? | 06:05 |
+patspam | perlDreamer and preaction: refresh http://www.sdhconsulting.com.au/tmp/passive-analytics-icons1.jpg for the new icon | 06:05 |
elnino | not at all. | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | the latest one is a certain well known spamproof australian | 06:05 |
@preaction | i likes! | 06:05 |
@preaction | when it gets down to teh very bottom, it's still recognizable | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | very spritely | 06:05 |
andyiomoon | yep - took out the little man for the 16x16 - too muddy otherwise | 06:06 |
elnino | I did see patspam picture, is that what you're refering to? | 06:06 |
+perlDreamer | that's the one | 06:06 |
elnino | yes, that was a nice photo. =) | 06:06 |
andyiomoon | I still think the webgui doll should have been in focus and you all blurry pat | 06:07 |
+perlDreamer | SDH is the group that patspam, andyiomoon and H work for. | 06:07 |
+perlDreamer | We haven't met H yet, but based on the other 2/3's it bodes very well | 06:07 |
andyiomoon | more mystery that way :) | 06:07 |
andyiomoon | ahh perlDreamer you ol' silver tongue | 06:07 |
+patspam | perlDreamer: spamproof? dang did you hunt down my iconBuffet profile? or is that just a coincidence | 06:08 |
+perlDreamer | it's the psychic interface | 06:08 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I'll backport and write the test. | 06:09 |
@preaction | already backported | 06:10 |
@preaction | test not writ though | 06:10 |
+perlDreamer | I thought you fixed the profile bug | 06:11 |
@preaction | yeah, visitors shouldn't see the "send message" links, caused by "acceptsPrivateMessage" being true | 06:12 |
+patspam | so depressing that the only way to get my printer to work reliably is to talk to it from inside a windows vm | 06:15 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: /me is confused | 06:16 |
+perlDreamer | there are no global privacy field settings | 06:16 |
+perlDreamer | at the profile field level | 06:16 |
+perlDreamer | so isn't having them all private correct? | 06:17 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9714 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fixeding my borkes to the changelog | 06:20 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: doug * r9715 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm): backported 9713 | 06:20 |
+perlDreamer | ProfileField doesn't even know about wg_privacysettings, aside from reserving it as a field name | 06:22 |
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elnino | oh.. I'm installing a new instance of wre and I'm missing something. I haven't done this before, only upgrades.. | 07:19 |
elnino | I'm following http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation. | 07:19 |
elnino | I untared and I'm attempting to run ./wreconsole.pl and then it talks about setting up a site. Is it not going to ask me to downoad webgui? I think I naswered my question.. =) | 07:20 |
elnino | hmm. after reading this I guess I'm wrong. my port 60834 seems not to be responding/ | 07:24 |
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elnino | how do I get rid of old version of mp3 files that my user uploaded? is that taken care of the "delete old asset revisions" workflow? | 07:39 |
elnino | I see this: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/clean-temp-storage but, I believe there to be missing information on this wiki. | 07:44 |
@preaction | elnino: delete old asset revisions is what takes care of that, but you can delete revisions manually if you want | 07:44 |
elnino | ok.. that workflow sounded like it only dealt with db entries. | 07:45 |
elnino | do you use ubunto by any chance? | 07:45 |
@preaction | no, os x | 07:45 |
elnino | ok. | 07:46 |
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elnino | port 60834 seems to be blocked, but I hav eno proof, nor know how to determine this.. Anyone there that can tell me what to look at on a ubunto system? | 08:12 |
elnino | patspam. fyi. on your website, your link to canto cumulus is broken. | 08:14 |
elnino | do you guys provide webgui hosting? | 08:14 |
+patspam | elnino: heh we have the most awesome website ever, single page, static html | 08:39 |
+patspam | and totally out of date | 08:39 |
+patspam | we don't host professionally, we outsource that to folks like procolix | 08:40 |
elnino | hi. patspam.. shouldn't you be using umm. webgui? =) | 08:46 |
+patspam | static html is the future, down with wg! | 08:47 |
elnino | ok then. =) I went to procolix.. who here manages that... I was looking for prices. | 08:48 |
+patspam | speak to Koen, aka SynQ | 08:49 |
+patspam | he should be waking up in an hour or 2 :) | 08:50 |
+patspam | meanwhile, I'm off, night all! | 08:50 |
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elnino | preaction, do you know Tiffany (SEO gal) and what is her website? | 09:05 |
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@preaction | elnino: elitedesignsltd.com | 09:22 |
elnino | oh yes. Thank you. | 09:22 |
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topsub | Is there a way in webgui i can import like 191 images with a zip file or something? | 16:02 |
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+MrHairgrease | topsub: I don't think so | 16:05 |
+MrHairgrease | but you can always use the fileImport script in sbin of course | 16:05 |
topsub | Ah i might have to look at that | 16:05 |
+MrHairgrease | provided you have server access that is | 16:05 |
topsub | i have 191 images to import | 16:05 |
+MrHairgrease | I always use fileImport for stuff like that | 16:06 |
topsub | cool i will give that a try | 16:06 |
+bartjol | tobsub, do you want to put them in a Gallery? | 16:17 |
topsub | bartjol, No, i just need them in an images folder | 16:18 |
+bartjol | I heard that has a zip import function? | 16:19 |
+bartjol | then I have to agree with Martin | 16:19 |
topsub | this is for a javascript captcha and these are the supporting images | 16:19 |
+bartjol | ah | 16:19 |
+bartjol | cool | 16:19 |
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elnino | MrHairgrease.. rumer has it that you are working on http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9781is this true? | 17:31 |
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+MrHairgrease | I am not working on a PayPal plugin | 17:32 |
+MrHairgrease | but I heard there is one in the making | 17:33 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm not in on the details though | 17:33 |
elnino | hmm. are you working on any payment plugin? | 17:33 |
+MrHairgrease | Not currently, but I am working on other commerce stuff | 17:33 |
* elnino is sad | 17:33 |
+MrHairgrease | Why? | 17:34 |
SDuensin | Greetings! | 17:34 |
elnino | cause you're not working on one. | 17:34 |
+MrHairgrease | 7.7 is far away anyway | 17:34 |
SDuensin | Isn't there a PayPal driver in the Bizarre? | 17:34 |
elnino | I know.. That's why I was exceited to hear that you were working on one. I must have misundertood, or forgot who they said. | 17:34 |
elnino | I'll look again SDuensin | 17:34 |
+MrHairgrease | I think Joeri is working on one | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | but as i said, I'm not in on the details | 17:35 |
elnino | hey. . there it is! It's New! | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | and I know for a fact that he's very busy | 17:35 |
SDuensin | :-) | 17:35 |
elnino | was it you SDuensin? | 17:35 |
SDuensin | No, I just happened to see it last night. | 17:36 |
elnino | no author listed. I'm trying it!!! | 17:36 |
elnino | Thanks! guys, you made my day. | 17:40 |
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SDuensin | Let us know how it goes. (Especially me!) | 17:40 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah, feedback in this direction is apprciated as well | 17:41 |
elnino | It'll be slow.. Got several projects going, but I know my customer wants this desparately. I'll post comments on the bazzar, or is it more appropriate here? | 17:41 |
SDuensin | Either/both. I'll find it next time I browse it. But coming here to chat is fun. :-) | 17:42 |
elnino | I just found out you can subscribe to it (far right column) then you'll be notified. | 17:43 |
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dionak | has anyone tested the paypal plugin yet? | 17:59 |
dionak | it will be a very useful addition to webgui | 17:59 |
+bartjol | elnino is trying I believe | 18:00 |
@tavisto | who created a paypal plugin? | 18:01 |
dionak | cool...looking forward to hearing about it. the rfe's were confusing | 18:01 |
@tavisto | I knew this was coming but didn't know it was already in testing | 18:02 |
+bartjol | tavisto: nothing will be published until you've made a cartoon | 18:02 |
@tavisto | haha | 18:02 |
+bartjol | but the publisger of the plugin is unknown | 18:02 |
@tavisto | don't worry, "the adventures of BartJol: The Big Dutch Girlyman" will soon be at newstands near you | 18:03 |
+bartjol | ah | 18:03 |
dionak | it's odd that the username of the plugin poster isn't displayed in the Bazaar. | 18:04 |
+bartjol | it is | 18:04 |
+bartjol | the mysterious anionymous contributer... abbreviated that's mac, so I guess it's a mac user | 18:05 |
dionak | bartjol must work nights as a comedian.. | 18:06 |
elnino | I have to do a webgui upgrade before I can try this | 18:06 |
SDuensin | Do it, man! We wait with baited breath! | 18:09 |
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+perlDreamer | bopbop, I have the solution! | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | SeasonShot is a green bullet alternative | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/03/04/green.bullets/index.html | 18:14 |
@bopbop | ah- yes it is | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | Environmentally friendly and biodegradable | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | Being tasty is just a side benefit | 18:14 |
@bopbop | lol- I just read that this am | 18:14 |
@bopbop | and tasty | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | has the FDA approved it yet? | 18:14 |
@bopbop | dunno | 18:14 |
@bopbop | don't think so | 18:14 |
@bopbop | maybe this will do it | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | Hope so. | 18:15 |
@bopbop | :) | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | Okay, on to other business | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto! | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | Has preaction told you about Wheaton College's library site yet? | 18:15 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, he has not told me a thing | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | well, then | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | we found a new WebGUI site | 18:23 |
@tavisto | do tell! | 18:23 |
@tavisto | here's another new one www.thebetterfish.com | 18:23 |
@tavisto | pretty sharp | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | http://blog.tmcnet.com/telecom-crm/2009/01/15/sagecrm-v62-wheaton-college-and-webgui-alterian-and-jaguar-accenture-r.asp | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | and if that isn't enough | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | there was a Slashdot article yesterday comparing usability in WordPress and Joomla | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/qibpbk7lXXE/article.pl | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | the author of the article basically did label and # of clicks to get a job done | 18:26 |
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+perlDreamer | Of course, Slashdot over-hyped it. The Joomla people didn't get upset about it | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | but, it would be interesting to see comparisons of WebGUI against other CMS systems. | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | could be good marketing, maybe the source for another story | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | at the least, it would let us know things to fix in WebGUI for ease and speed of use | 18:32 |
+bartjol | yeah | 18:32 |
+bartjol | some feedback from other people than WebGUI junkies should be good | 18:32 |
+bartjol | maybe it's just addictive | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | f00li5h, did you get hired? Is that why you changed your nick? | 18:35 |
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SDuensin | Have I mentioned in the last 10 minutes that I frickin' LOVE WebGUI? | 18:40 |
deafferret | SDuensin: yes. At 10:40. | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | This would be a bad time to mention JSON in the db, then, yes? ;) | 18:41 |
SDuensin | :-P | 18:41 |
SDuensin | YES! It's EVIL! | 18:41 |
+MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m43f9b963 | 18:43 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm going crazy here | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | the problem is this | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | the pasted method does not return the full contents of the $json to the browser | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | it limits it to 8193 bytes | 18:45 |
+MrHairgrease | which is close to 8192 | 18:45 |
+MrHairgrease | /tmp/barf.txt has the whole json string though | 18:45 |
+MrHairgrease | what could be limiting my output? | 18:46 |
daviddelikat | what does the caller look like? | 18:46 |
+MrHairgrease | eventually it's being called by WG::Content::Shop | 18:46 |
+MrHairgrease | it's an addition to WG::Shop::Vendor | 18:47 |
daviddelikat | so is it the web client that shows only ~8193 chars? | 18:47 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 18:47 |
daviddelikat | lotta stuff in between there | 18:47 |
daviddelikat | not likelyl to be in the perl code you posted. | 18:47 |
daviddelikat | have you tried 'wget'? | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | yup | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | oh now it's 8348 bytes btw | 18:48 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer | 18:48 |
@tavisto | how is this a new site? Wheaton has been using WebGUI forever | 18:49 |
daviddelikat | can you give me a URL? | 18:49 |
* perlDreamer didn't know tavisto | 18:49 |
@tavisto | http://www.plainblack.com/success/education/wheaton-college | 18:50 |
@tavisto | bad perlDreamer! bad! | 18:50 |
daviddelikat | MrHairgrease: a URL? | 18:50 |
+MrHairgrease | i pmed you | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | the perl code is fine, MrHairgrease. I'd be looking at apache | 18:51 |
@tavisto | I'm sorry I have to do this perlDreamer, but I'm going to replace that shiny "I know everything" button on your vest with a "I almost know everything" button. | 18:51 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah i know | 18:51 |
+MrHairgrease | but i don't know where to look | 18:52 |
+MrHairgrease | everything else is fine | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, maybe it could say: I only know code | 18:52 |
+MrHairgrease | and most pages are prolly more that a lousy 8k | 18:52 |
@tavisto | *tavisto thinks perlDreamer makes a great 'walmart greeter' for WebGUI* | 18:52 |
* perlDreamer hopes that's a positive | 18:53 |
@tavisto | hehe of course | 18:53 |
@Haarg | probably would be good to verify that other pages are over 8k | 18:53 |
@Haarg | you also might try outputting with session->output->print directly | 18:54 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, what I can't figure out is why they reused that story on their site in a different location. | 18:56 |
@tavisto | This was the originally story on Jan 13, 2009: http://internetcommunications.tmcnet.com/topics/enterprise/articles/48555-wheaton-college-happy-with-webgui-library.htm | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | maybe they're just recycling content? | 18:57 |
@tavisto | not sure if you know this, but all WebGUI press gets added to the "WebGUI in the news" section of webgui.org. (under promote) It has a collection of 7-8 stories right now. This is also an area where we can post news stories about WebGUI partners and resellers if their stories get picked up. | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | I should have checked that. | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | Is there a place for us to submit stories to be added to that list? | 18:58 |
@tavisto | well this is a new story so I'm glad you showed me. It's factually incorrect at the end though | 18:58 |
+MrHairgrease | oh crap | 18:58 |
+MrHairgrease | wget does get the correct result | 18:58 |
@tavisto | right now it's only setup for Plain Black to add them. (because it aggregates to the main news mailing list) | 18:58 |
+MrHairgrease | it's just that my firefox doesn't for some reason | 18:58 |
@Haarg | how are you testing it in firefox? | 18:59 |
+MrHairgrease | forgot the escape the ? in the url | 18:59 |
@tavisto | Good point though, I need to add an email address or data form to that page so people can submit news. | 18:59 |
+MrHairgrease | just by going to the url | 18:59 |
+MrHairgrease | wait | 18:59 |
daviddelikat | MrHairgrease: how is your firewall involved here | 18:59 |
daviddelikat | are you going out then back in? | 18:59 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe it's the fancyass json colorizer plugin i installled | 19:00 |
+MrHairgrease | hang on | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, sounds like a good idea for the new site design. A Partners page with a dataform or something would be very handy | 19:00 |
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@tavisto | perlDreamer, another thing that has been extremely useful is to setup Google Alerts for the keywords "webgui" and "plain black webgui". It's helped me find lots of obscure stories and blogs about WebGUI. | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, did you notice the "whataboutwebgui" tag on that usability article? | 19:00 |
@tavisto | like this blog that just recently compared Alfesco to Joomla to WebGUI. And WebGUI got some nice props | 19:01 |
@tavisto | http://weis627.blogspot.com/2009/03/content-management-system-showcase.html | 19:01 |
@tavisto | no I didn't, let me look | 19:01 |
+MrHairgrease | yup | 19:01 |
+MrHairgrease | it was the crapass json colorizer plugin | 19:01 |
+MrHairgrease | it can prolly handle only 8k of json... | 19:02 |
+MrHairgrease | thanks for the help! | 19:02 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, which article are you referring to | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | to the slashdot article itself. | 19:03 |
@tavisto | I dont see anything about WebGUI | 19:04 |
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SDuensin | Ok, I'm confused. I'm putting groups inside groups. When I place a group inside a group, it also adds "Admins" under that. Why does it do that? | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, it's a feature. | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | Admins are automatically members of all groups | 19:07 |
SDuensin | Ah! Ok, so those are the groups that are under the group I'm adding. | 19:07 |
SDuensin | I get it now! :-) | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: http://imagebin.ca/view/KMAetx.html | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | not sure how to find those tags otherwise... | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | unless MrHairgrease was spoofing us | 19:09 |
+bartjol | well, that's a clear link | 19:10 |
+MrHairgrease | I also still have the original screen shot w/o all my artwork | 19:15 |
@tavisto | that's really strange | 19:15 |
@tavisto | in a good way of course | 19:15 |
@tavisto | well the drupal and webgui tags are not there now when clicking on the individual story | 19:17 |
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daviddelikat | how does one assign a template id for a new default template? | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | either creatively make one with 22 characters that is a valid GUID (see Session/Id for details) | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | or, have WebGUI do it for you, using the api | 19:19 |
* perlDreamer heads to the other office | 19:19 |
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@tavisto | well that's cool to see a webgui tag on slashdot. I'm just curious how it made it there | 19:29 |
@preaction | the tagging thing allows other people to tag posts | 19:37 |
@preaction | it's not there anymore, it got moderated off or something | 19:38 |
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topsub | the fileimport worked perfect.. whew!! didn't want to import 191 images.. haha | 19:46 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9716 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm: labeling survey as beta | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I was able to fix my uploads permissions problems with a fixup script and --util | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | WGDev to the rescue! | 19:52 |
@Haarg | cool | 19:53 |
@Haarg | i was thinking about what you said about a wgd restart | 19:53 |
@Haarg | but i haven't come up with a good way to handle it yet | 19:54 |
@Haarg | i guess if it was limited to only restarts it would make sense | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | I think util is really the same thing, with the scripts stuck in the config file | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | oh, and there may be a problem with asset import/export and list types | 19:56 |
@Haarg | the main thing is that restarting is something that may be useful elsewhere | 19:56 |
@Haarg | there is | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | I'm seeing ARRAY (0x.....) as my template parser | 19:56 |
@Haarg | yeah | 19:57 |
@Haarg | i saw that, but haven't looked at it in detail yet | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | it just needs an array serializer similar to what the form types use, coming in and going out | 19:58 |
@Haarg | well | 19:58 |
@Haarg | i think it's a problem with the forms api really | 19:59 |
@Haarg | at least partly | 19:59 |
@Haarg | a select box can't have multiple values, so it shouldn't be returning lists | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | that is true | 20:00 |
@Haarg | but for actual list values i'll probably need to do something | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | and the template parser is a select list | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | which it shouldn't be | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | since you can't have more than 1 parser | 20:01 |
@Haarg | yeah | 20:02 |
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+perlDreamer | should we fix that in 7.7? | 20:04 |
topsub | I imported the 191 images on a local install of webgui. created a package and imported the package on another server.. i had to do this because i can ssh to that server. then when i click on the imported package i get a 404. Anyway to debug this without seeing the logs? | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | topsub, go to the Admin Console and turn on debug mode | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | restrict it to your IP if it's publicly available | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | it will give you a stack trace, query log, and the latest error | 20:05 |
topsub | is that from settings.. don't think i ever used this debug mode before | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | yes, it's in settings | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | if you can't do ssh to the server, how do you do code installs? | 20:06 |
topsub | well we had ssh but it has changed and the client dind't update us | 20:07 |
topsub | so i am trying to do this work without having to ssh to the box | 20:08 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, it's a SelectList in the definition, but it's manually drawn using SelectBox | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | heh | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | that's right. It doesn't inherit getEditForm. | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | so changing it should be trivial and harmless | 20:12 |
@Haarg | yes | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | and not cause problems in the future, either | 20:12 |
@Haarg | wgd edit still needs adjustments for list types though | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | yes, but I think as a workaround I can change the YAML in the editor to be a scalar. that may work | 20:12 |
@Haarg | it will | 20:13 |
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hansw | hoi | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | hi | 20:18 |
hansw | hmm, sorry, seem to start in Dutch again :-) | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | not a problem | 20:19 |
hansw | Len around? | 20:19 |
@preaction | Kranendonk? i dunno if he comes around here | 20:19 |
hansw | just wanted to let him know we are porting his solaris machine to linux -) | 20:19 |
hansw | yes, kranendonk, he used to visit this channel | 20:20 |
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hansw | nice to there are more people in here | 20:21 |
@preaction | indeed | 20:21 |
SDuensin | I'm beginning to think the macro system was designed to anger me. | 20:27 |
+perlDreamer | what's happening, SDuensin? | 20:27 |
SDuensin | I basically need to provide links based on a user's group. Except the content either contains quotes which breaks the macro or the HTML editor mangles it... | 20:28 |
SDuensin | So I was going to proxy in the content I need to display. Except the asset proxy macro can't be nested. | 20:28 |
SDuensin | Argh! | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | how many groups do you have to work with? | 20:30 |
SDuensin | Just one. I want to offer a link for a user to create their personal web space if they don't have one, or a link to that space if they do have one. | 20:30 |
SDuensin | Trying to do it without writing another custom macro. | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | <a href="^GroupText(group,link1,link2);">^GroupText(group,label1,label2);</a> | 20:31 |
SDuensin | OooO! Smart! Thanks! | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | that's why they pay me the big bucks | 20:32 |
SDuensin | :-) | 20:32 |
SDuensin | If this hack works, I'll be super happy. | 20:33 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9717 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: parser should be a selectbox, not a selectlist. | 20:38 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9718 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Beginnings of an edit form for the Story. | 20:38 |
SDuensin | RFE for 8: Less hacky macro system! | 20:43 |
@preaction | yeah... i once thought as you did | 20:43 |
@preaction | YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE | 20:43 |
SDuensin | The dark side refuses to create a valid URL. | 20:43 |
@preaction | yeah, the thing about that, the only really smart macro system is unbearably slow | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | paste it, SDuensin, my young WebGUI padawan | 20:44 |
SDuensin | http://jaeger.pastebin.com/m74b64d97 | 20:44 |
SDuensin | I've tried it with and without quotes. | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, lose the quotes | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | they're not needed | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | then please paste the output as well | 20:45 |
SDuensin | If I do that, it mangles the HTML. Lemme get a copy of that. | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think you want ^u; in there | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | I think you really want ^/; | 20:46 |
SDuensin | But ^/; doesn't provide a complete URL. | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | it needs a hostname? | 20:47 |
SDuensin | Needs, no. But I want it. | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | the browser will do the right thing without it | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | all, would I be a fool for making | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | ^FormLabel(hoverhelp,namespace,label,namespace); | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | which would make an i18n'ed label for forms with hoverhelp? | 20:48 |
SDuensin | Ok, here's what I'm trying now: http://jaeger.pastebin.com/d4cf91b01 | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | and the output? | 20:49 |
SDuensin | Ugly. | 20:49 |
SDuensin | The link for not being in the group is: http://test/create); | 20:50 |
SDuensin | When I return to the editor, it has this: http://jaeger.pastebin.com/d530fc808 | 20:52 |
SDuensin | Fun! | 20:52 |
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elnino | hi. | 20:53 |
SDuensin | Re | 20:53 |
elnino | lot of people here now. | 20:54 |
SDuensin | It's a popular place. | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1236192657_534/home?op=auth;method=logout | 20:54 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - Still enjoying the power of the dark side? | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | I just wrote your macro code | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | on that demo site | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | and it works | 20:54 |
SDuensin | Dude, the URL contains the closing paren and semicolon of the macro. WTF? | 20:55 |
elnino | =) Just wondering if there is a way to manually install wre without recompilein it (because I'm lazy). I don't know if I can do anything about unblocking port 60834. If I just untar the wre and webgui files, and bring over my conf files, would that work? | 20:55 |
SDuensin | should | 20:56 |
@Haarg | elnino, what i usually do re port 60834 is use ssh port forwarding | 20:56 |
SDuensin | Can you SSH into your host? | 20:56 |
SDuensin | Haarg - Great minds think alike. :-) | 20:56 |
elnino | yes. | 20:56 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, the stupid rich text editor is eating the macro | 20:57 |
@Haarg | ssh user@host -L60834:localhost:60834 | 20:57 |
SDuensin | ssh -L 60834:127.0.0.1:68034 user@host | 20:58 |
@Haarg | then you can go to http://localhost:60834/ | 20:58 |
SDuensin | Dang! Haarg beat me! | 20:58 |
elnino | you guys are funny. | 20:58 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - Yes, it is. | 20:58 |
elnino | this is where I get confuesed. Somebody (non-webgui) walked me thru this long ago.. and I got confused, it worked, but I dont' know how... so while I'm using putty, I can access the site using MY browser at Localhost? or do I replace localhost with the machine name? | 20:59 |
SDuensin | Your browser @ localhost. | 21:00 |
elnino | or.. what if ON that machine I just use w3m.. is there a way to do that? | 21:00 |
@Haarg | wreconsole needs javascript iirc | 21:01 |
elnino | oh ok. I understand that.. =) | 21:01 |
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elnino | so putty will do some magic and make "localhost" not localhost. that's pretty cool. I'll try it after I get some sleep. I'm running on fumes. | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | It's a bug, SDuensin, please file it, along with the text you're trying to enter. | 21:02 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - ok, I can do that. | 21:02 |
SDuensin | Custom macro time, eh? :-) | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | in the meantime, just disable the RTE | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | that thing is a piece of crap | 21:03 |
SDuensin | Eh, yea. | 21:03 |
SDuensin | Users like it though. | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | you could try this as a workaround | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | put that code into a snippet | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | then assetProxy it in | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | that should bypass the RTE | 21:04 |
SDuensin | The snipped editor isn't rich? | 21:04 |
SDuensin | Cool. | 21:04 |
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@plainhao | i ran the bazaar classLoadTester.pl and i'm seeing two assetIds and a negative instanciate time for one of them, anyone know what that means? | 21:29 |
@preaction | [la | 21:52 |
@preaction | plainhao: it means that perl's timeing is off, which is a known issue with perl | 21:52 |
* plainhao thanks preaction | 21:52 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, did the snippet trick work? | 00:08 |
SDuensin | Yep! Thanks! | 00:09 |
* SDuensin is implementing everything now. | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 00:10 |
SDuensin | This is gonna be so damn cool. | 00:10 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9720 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 00:10 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: - Fixed a bug with Gallery where using the web service (iphone or iPhoto) | 00:10 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: would cause images and albums to be uploaded as "admin" rather than the | 00:10 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: user that actually uploaded them. | 00:10 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: - Labeled Survey 2.0 as beta, per our quality policy. | 00:10 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9721 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Gallery.pm GalleryAlbum.pm): forward porting gallery bug fixes | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: http://imagebin.ca/view/4emPah.html | 00:24 |
@rizen | what am i looking at? | 00:27 |
@rizen | oh | 00:28 |
@rizen | now i know | 00:28 |
@rizen | holy crap | 00:28 |
@rizen | you're making good time | 00:28 |
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@rizen | who the hell do you think you are patspam | 00:29 |
+perlDreamer | well, not too much good time. You can't actually add Stories through the UI yet | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | but the API is there | 00:30 |
+patspam | patrick? | 00:30 |
@rizen | you think you can just email me and tell me what to do? | 00:31 |
@rizen | do you think i have an email based api? | 00:31 |
@rizen | huh? | 00:31 |
@rizen | huh? | 00:31 |
@rizen | do ya? | 00:31 |
+patspam | shhhh don't tell eveyone else! | 00:31 |
* SDuensin chuckles | 00:31 |
+patspam | JT::Mail->ApproveRFE() | 00:32 |
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SDuensin | Eh, that always throws an error here. | 00:33 |
+patspam | while(1) { eval {JT::Mail->ApproveRFE} } | 00:33 |
@rizen | the beautiful thing about that method is that behind the scenes it calls randomWrath() | 00:34 |
@rizen | which could make sure nothing happens | 00:34 |
@rizen | i could segfault | 00:34 |
@rizen | i might do what you request | 00:35 |
+patspam | while(1) { eval { srand(42); JT::Mail->ApproveRFE} } | 00:35 |
@rizen | or i might do something completely other | 00:35 |
+patspam | i know the secret seed | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | lol | 00:37 |
WebGUI | pat! | 00:37 |
WebGUI | rizen! | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | $rizen->installEmailAPI(); | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | that's what was missing patspam | 00:38 |
+patspam | no doubt you've written a test suite for it perlDreamer? | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | I only have manual tests for that one | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | $rizen has limited bandwidth and you have to be careful not to exceed it | 00:40 |
WebGUI | rizen, I assume you have read my reaction on the style images, do you have no reaction to my response? | 00:40 |
@rizen | i have no reaction | 00:40 |
WebGUI | that is unbelievable | 00:41 |
@rizen | i really don't care what anybody says there cuz i'm out of it | 00:41 |
WebGUI | ah | 00:41 |
WebGUI | :) | 00:41 |
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WebGUI | out of it? | 00:41 |
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WebGUI | what does that mean, out of it | 00:41 |
@rizen | the designers will do their best to assimilate the needs that people describe | 00:41 |
@rizen | and then will implement the site | 00:41 |
WebGUI | strange | 00:41 |
@rizen | no more JT input required | 00:41 |
WebGUI | so first you ask 'the community' to react | 00:41 |
@rizen | it's a community site | 00:41 |
@rizen | if the community decides to make stupid decisions | 00:42 |
@rizen | that's their own problem | 00:42 |
WebGUI | and then all these reactions go into the melting pot of the designers without rebuttle | 00:42 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: graham * r9722 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): fixed: Template parser cannot be set | 00:42 |
WebGUI | and then they do something with it | 00:42 |
WebGUI | so the designers get to decide on user interaction design to | 00:42 |
WebGUI | are the designers going to participate in the discussion you reqested? | 00:43 |
WebGUI | who are 'the designers'? | 00:43 |
@rizen | plain black designers | 00:43 |
WebGUI | the are called? | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | steve, meg, tabb, john | 00:43 |
@rizen | tabitha, mego, steve, john | 00:43 |
WebGUI | ah | 00:43 |
WebGUI | are they going to participate in the discussion? | 00:44 |
WebGUI | and if so, when? | 00:44 |
@rizen | why would they? | 00:44 |
WebGUI | they are not | 00:44 |
@rizen | this is about community feeback | 00:44 |
WebGUI | ah ok | 00:44 |
@rizen | feedback | 00:44 |
@rizen | if they have something to say then i suppose they would | 00:44 |
@rizen | but they already had the last 1.5 months to discuss what was needed | 00:44 |
WebGUI | that is clear to me | 00:44 |
@rizen | and thats how we got to where we are now | 00:45 |
WebGUI | in that case I am out of it too | 00:45 |
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@rizen | you mean cuz you've said your piece? | 00:45 |
WebGUI | no | 00:45 |
@rizen | you have not said your piece? | 00:45 |
@rizen | you did reply | 00:45 |
@rizen | you were the first | 00:45 |
WebGUI | I mean there is no use in discussing when the people who are going to implement are not participating actively in the discussion | 00:45 |
WebGUI | of course | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI: they can listen just fine. | 00:46 |
WebGUI | I thought you where inviting the community into a discussion | 00:46 |
@rizen | what is there to discuss exactly? | 00:46 |
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+perlDreamer | No one said anything contradictory | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | They may just take all the feedback and build it | 00:46 |
SynQ | well I have given at least 5 points that I would change | 00:46 |
SynQ | are all the things I said going to be implemented | 00:46 |
SynQ | ? | 00:46 |
@rizen | i suppose if you want me to go out there and say "i like this idea, and i hate that one" i could, but i don't think there's much merit in that...it's just a flame bait | 00:46 |
@rizen | maybe maybe not | 00:47 |
SynQ | there is a difference between flaim and discussion | 00:47 |
@rizen | that's up to the designers to decide | 00:47 |
SynQ | ok | 00:47 |
SynQ | if you really want a community | 00:47 |
SynQ | then the designers should tell the community why they would choose to do or do not implement suggestions | 00:47 |
SynQ | let me illustrate that with an analogy | 00:48 |
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SynQ | if the county wants the community to participate in the placement of a statue | 00:48 |
SynQ | and ask for reactions to a suggestion | 00:48 |
SynQ | then the community of that county does not feel really heared if all the suggestions are just read somewhere in a boardroom, no reaction is given and then the statue is placed | 00:49 |
SynQ | the same goes true for the webgui.org style | 00:49 |
SynQ | if you now say that it's going to be that way | 00:49 |
SynQ | then there is no use in discussing it | 00:49 |
SynQ | since in that case I don't feel part of the process | 00:50 |
SynQ | I will complain after it is implemented | 00:50 |
@rizen | first of all, you will complain no matter what | 00:50 |
SynQ | and bitch on the points that I think should have been changed | 00:50 |
@rizen | you are Koen | 00:50 |
@rizen | that's what you do | 00:50 |
SynQ | that is not fair | 00:50 |
@rizen | second, you are currently trying to goad me into a flame ware | 00:50 |
@rizen | and i'm trying to avoid one | 00:50 |
@rizen | which is why i'm not commenting | 00:51 |
SynQ | o god please don't let me be misunderstood | 00:51 |
SynQ | now would be the right time from the other people reading this for some support | 00:51 |
@rizen | if i have something to comment on then i'll comment on it | 00:51 |
SynQ | ok | 00:51 |
@rizen | until then there's no reason to do it | 00:51 |
SynQ | just know that I feel being treated rude now | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: you just want the designers to give you a summary of what they're going to change, and why? Do you foresee a 2nd round of debate after that? | 00:52 |
@rizen | and i'm not going to explain my decisions, or ask the designers to explain their decisions as to why or why not someone's feature wasn't implemented. | 00:52 |
@rizen | it is as it is | 00:52 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: right | 00:52 |
SynQ | and yes I foresee a 2nd round of debate after that | 00:52 |
SynQ | rizen: in my opinion that is not a community | 00:52 |
SynQ | that is a dictatorial regime | 00:53 |
SynQ | the community has nothing to say really | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | that's probably the problem there. Every round of debate is $$, and slows down the implementation of the new site. | 00:53 |
@rizen | no, in a dictatorial regime the community would have no input at all | 00:53 |
SynQ | ok I give up | 00:53 |
SynQ | I understand you | 00:53 |
SDuensin | "I'm sorry. Is this the five minute argument, or will this be the whole fifteen minutes?" | 00:54 |
SynQ | and I don't agree | 00:54 |
SynQ | SDuensin: it's done allready | 00:54 |
@rizen | it's ok if you don't agree | 00:54 |
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@rizen | if you don't like the site after it's built, you still have a voice | 00:54 |
@rizen | it's called an RFE | 00:54 |
SynQ | agreed | 00:54 |
SynQ | I think I have about 5 to 10 RFE's in on the community site allready | 00:55 |
SDuensin | Bet you can't get your RFE rejected as fast as my JSON one. :-) | 00:55 |
@rizen | SynQ, RFE's are implemented in the order they are ordered by karma | 00:55 |
SynQ | I know | 00:55 |
@rizen | spend your karma and move your RFE's up the list | 00:55 |
SynQ | I have | 00:55 |
@rizen | are they at the top? | 00:55 |
SynQ | my top RFE is in 2nd or 3th position | 00:56 |
SynQ | for a while now | 00:56 |
@rizen | if so, they'll be implemented in the next couple of months | 00:56 |
SynQ | 3th even | 00:56 |
@rizen | you're not trying to say that we haven't followed through on implementing RFE's are you? | 00:57 |
SynQ | it has been on that list since october 2007 | 00:57 |
@rizen | cuz we implemented nearly 300 in the past 6 months | 00:57 |
SynQ | I am not | 00:57 |
SynQ | and I love you for implementing them :) | 00:57 |
SynQ | as I said in september 2008: I have patience | 00:57 |
SynQ | but what I don't understand | 00:57 |
SynQ | if you ask for imput on the design | 00:57 |
SynQ | and I put time in to react to that | 00:58 |
SynQ | isn't it fair I get some response on that reaction? | 00:58 |
@rizen | only if the idea warrants response | 00:58 |
SynQ | ok | 00:58 |
@rizen | which can happen in 1 of 2 cases | 00:58 |
@rizen | 1) we don't understand what you're asking and need clarification | 00:58 |
@rizen | 2) we want to propose an alternative | 00:59 |
SynQ | ok | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | it would be nice if the designers would summarize the feedback and say what they were going to change, with why. But only so people know what's going to happen, and not to start a 2nd round of debate. | 00:59 |
@rizen | why say all that? why not just do it. | 00:59 |
SynQ | I don't see the harm in extra debate | 00:59 |
@rizen | action not words | 00:59 |
SynQ | that is what a community is about, isn't it? | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | actions don't always have clear reasons | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | not only that, if people want to RFE things that are not implemented, it will help set the karma threshold for those RFEs | 01:00 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: karma threshold? | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | sure. Let's say that someone wants something very difficult, so the designers say that they would do it except for time constraints. | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | so the person submits an rfe for it | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | then he knows the karma threshold will be high | 01:01 |
SynQ | indeed | 01:02 |
SynQ | good point | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | I think you _both_ have good points. If PB is spending 4 people for 1.5 months of redesign, that's expensive. | 01:02 |
SynQ | or if the designers say that they won't do it because they feel it is ugly then the karma threshold would be low, but the community could have a voice in that | 01:02 |
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+perlDreamer | SynQ, if it was just a template and some graphics, then an RFE with a patch could be quickly implemented. | 01:03 |
SynQ | indeed | 01:03 |
SynQ | like less hourglass stuff floating around | 01:04 |
SynQ | which allready 3 people have talked about | 01:04 |
SynQ | but no designer has come by and said: you are right it is a bit too much | 01:04 |
SynQ | nor have they said: it is a crucial part of the design, we want to keep it | 01:05 |
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SynQ | perlDreamer: don't you think that such feedback is part of a community discussion? | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | If I thought that giving the feedback was going to cause another round of discussion, I'd be hesitant to give it. | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | Especially if it was costing me time, effort and money. | 01:10 |
SynQ | isn't that time worth having a community then? | 01:10 |
@rizen | SynQ: i just don't understand what you're arguing for. i've already said someone would give you feedback if feedback was warranted. | 01:11 |
SynQ | time, effort and money might also get you a better and more effective design | 01:11 |
@rizen | you seem to want a project manager | 01:11 |
@rizen | someone to hold your hand and tell you everything is going to be ok, or that the shit has hit the fan | 01:12 |
SynQ | rizen: I'm arguing for a response from the people who are going to implement it so the community feels involved | 01:12 |
SynQ | involvment | 01:12 |
@rizen | and i don't think you can do that | 01:12 |
SynQ | that is what I'm arguing for | 01:12 |
SynQ | why not? | 01:12 |
@rizen | you want us to spend a bunch of time replying to every bullet point that's brought up | 01:13 |
SynQ | what is the use in having a community if you don't involve them in your actions/ | 01:13 |
SynQ | no | 01:13 |
@rizen | then what do you want? | 01:13 |
SynQ | I want to get a reaction to my response that gives me the feeling that something is going to be done with it | 01:13 |
SynQ | so that I don't feel that I'm talking to a blank wall | 01:13 |
SynQ | but instead that I feel involved | 01:13 |
SynQ | that I am part of the process | 01:14 |
SynQ | that the time I am putting into it is not in vain | 01:14 |
SynQ | my time is not free either you know | 01:14 |
@rizen | so you want one response to each post that's put up saying "yes i saw this" | 01:14 |
SynQ | are you serious? | 01:14 |
@rizen | i'm trying to understand what you're asking for | 01:15 |
SynQ | I want someone who is going to implement the style to react to my post and in a few lines say 'hey, I say what your points are. I think that this and that might be a good Idea, we are going to have to think about that and that. Thanks for your feedback' | 01:16 |
SynQ | that would make me feel involved | 01:16 |
SynQ | do you really not understand that right now I cannot feel that? | 01:16 |
SynQ | you ask for feedback. I give feedback, but I get no reaction to that feedback. | 01:17 |
SynQ | then how do I know if that feedback is appreciated | 01:18 |
SynQ | and then when I ask you about it in the IRC channel you say (and I quote): (11:41:10 PM) rizen: i really don't care what anybody says there cuz i'm out of it | 01:18 |
SynQ | which achieves exactly the opposite of me feeling involved | 01:19 |
SynQ | I feel disconnected | 01:19 |
SynQ | and even treated rudely | 01:19 |
SynQ | you ask for feedback, and then when I give feedback you say you don't care about that | 01:19 |
SynQ | I think that is rude, don't you? | 01:20 |
@rizen | see it from my point of view | 01:21 |
@rizen | the site is not my project | 01:21 |
@rizen | i've handed it off to the designers to do | 01:21 |
@rizen | why should i care what your responses are to that project that i'm not a part of? | 01:22 |
SynQ | you should care since you are the person that asked for feedback on the forums | 01:22 |
@rizen | i can understand why you might want to hear from somebody that your requests were read and understood | 01:22 |
@rizen | SynQ: I'm only one guy | 01:23 |
@rizen | i can't do everything | 01:23 |
SynQ | and it is rude to ask someone to respond to a proposition and then when they do turn around and walk away | 01:23 |
@rizen | that's the purpose of having minions | 01:23 |
SynQ | I know | 01:23 |
SynQ | you should have had one of your minions ask for feedback then | 01:23 |
@rizen | so my mistake was that i posted the request in the first place | 01:23 |
SynQ | I agree | 01:23 |
SynQ | but the consequense is that you cannot be rude after that | 01:23 |
SynQ | and walk away | 01:23 |
SynQ | how can I know that you have handed it over to your minions? | 01:24 |
@rizen | i should have either not asked for input from the community at all, logged in as one of my minions and posted the request, or just had them post the request | 01:24 |
@rizen | you asked and i told you | 01:24 |
@rizen | that's how you know | 01:24 |
SynQ | for all I know you are taking this up as a pet project because you feel it is very important for WebGUI to have an active and involved community | 01:24 |
@rizen | but you're being obtuse about the whole thing | 01:24 |
SynQ | I don't know what obtuse means | 01:24 |
SynQ | I'm going to look it up, can you bear with me for a moment | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | thick headed, stubborn, opinionated, inflexible | 01:25 |
@rizen | i think it is very important for WebGUI to have an active and involved community, that doesn't mean that i have to be the guy that responds to every email that comes in | 01:25 |
SynQ | ah | 01:25 |
SynQ | I don't think I am obtuse | 01:25 |
SynQ | I just want to be treated as a full person | 01:25 |
SynQ | in real life as on the webgui forum as on irc | 01:25 |
@rizen | you are a full person, in what way have i not treated you as such | 01:25 |
@rizen | you asked a question about when I was going to respond | 01:25 |
@rizen | and i said i wasn't | 01:25 |
@rizen | and you were offended | 01:26 |
@rizen | i haven't called you stupid | 01:26 |
@rizen | i haven't belittled you in any way | 01:26 |
SynQ | I was offended by this line: (11:41:10 PM) rizen: i really don't care what anybody says there cuz i'm out of it | 01:26 |
@rizen | right | 01:26 |
@rizen | i'm not responding | 01:26 |
@rizen | so? | 01:26 |
SynQ | I was offended because you said you really didn't care what I said | 01:26 |
SynQ | which I thought (I understand better now) was rude since it was you who asked for a response in the first place | 01:27 |
SynQ | but I think we have it all layed out now | 01:27 |
SynQ | and I forgive you | 01:27 |
* SynQ hugs rizen | 01:27 |
@rizen | alright i will watch my phrasing. apparently i shouldn't say "I don't care" i should say "i'm not involved" or "talk to so and so" | 01:28 |
SynQ | please do me a favour and be more carful to not post a request for reaction on something you are .... | 01:29 |
SynQ | not going to look at any more yourself | 01:29 |
@rizen | i still don't see why that matters, but ok | 01:29 |
SynQ | damn | 01:29 |
SynQ | then we are not done yet | 01:29 |
SynQ | you should treat your community with respect | 01:29 |
SynQ | if you ask for reactions then it is fair that people later ask you 'hey, what did you think about my reaction' | 01:30 |
@rizen | that's not what you asked | 01:30 |
SynQ | if you are not going to replay to that people will think you are rude | 01:30 |
SynQ | that is what I asked: (11:40:21 PM) SynQ: rizen, I assume you have read my reaction on the style images, do you have no reaction to my response? | 01:30 |
SynQ | that is actually the first thing I asked | 01:31 |
@rizen | right | 01:31 |
@rizen | since you're niggling me on words i'll do the same to you | 01:31 |
SynQ | go ahead | 01:31 |
@rizen | you asked if i have any reaction | 01:31 |
SynQ | yes | 01:31 |
@rizen | not what my reaction is | 01:31 |
@rizen | two different things | 01:31 |
SynQ | fair enough | 01:32 |
SynQ | I have to be clearer in what I ask is what you say | 01:32 |
@rizen | no you don't | 01:32 |
@rizen | you just have to understand that i'm not going to lawyer you on words | 01:32 |
SynQ | is this line: (11:40:21 PM) SynQ: rizen, I assume you have read my reaction on the style images, do you have no reaction to my response? | 01:32 |
@rizen | and you shouldn't lawyer me on them | 01:32 |
SynQ | not asking for your reaction? | 01:32 |
SynQ | can we start over then, right from 11:40 ? | 01:33 |
@rizen | sure | 01:33 |
SynQ | rizen, what did you think about my reaction to your request on comments on the new style? | 01:33 |
@rizen | i cannot respond to that without creating a flame war | 01:33 |
@rizen | =) | 01:34 |
SynQ | I haven't read that in the thread yet and I kind of expected | 01:34 |
SynQ | ok | 01:34 |
SynQ | I kiss you | 01:34 |
@rizen | now i have koen cooties | 01:34 |
SynQ | let me ask you something else | 01:34 |
@rizen | incidentally both myself and one of the designers have responded to the list | 01:35 |
@rizen | maybe not directly to your comments | 01:35 |
@rizen | but we have | 01:35 |
@rizen | so you know we are reading | 01:35 |
SynQ | next time you ask for a reaction to anything, do you want just an 'hey that is cool' reaction or do you prefer my in detail response like I did now? | 01:35 |
SynQ | I'm just trying to help you know | 01:35 |
@rizen | whether you give a detailed response, or not is not my concern. However, the more detailed your response the more likely you are to affect change. | 01:36 |
SynQ | I don't even mind if something I suggest is not going to be used | 01:36 |
@rizen | So if you want to affect change, then give a detailed response. | 01:36 |
SynQ | I want to help | 01:36 |
@rizen | Great | 01:37 |
SynQ | I get the impression that you still have the feeling that I allways want to put things to my hand, get them to be the way I wan't them to be, but that is not true | 01:37 |
SynQ | I just want to help | 01:37 |
SynQ | I'm just a boy whose intentions are good, o lord please don't let me be misunderstood | 01:37 |
@rizen | BTW, since you're lawyering me I should note that nowhere in my statement did it say that I would personally respond to anything, or that anyone else would. Only that we wanted feedback, and we'd do our best to assimilate it. | 01:38 |
SynQ | ah | 01:38 |
@rizen | he | 01:38 |
SynQ | I would like to react to that | 01:38 |
SynQ | I think that a forum, by it's very name tries to be an analogue of the old greek marketplace where people discuss stuff. In such I think that it is a place for discussion, the term discussionboard also points in that direction. I feel that if someone asks for feedback, it is only respectfull if they then are interested in that feedback. And that they express that respect in engaging in the discussion they asked for themselves. | 01:40 |
* SDuensin thinks we need a sister channel... #WebPooey | 01:40 |
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SynQ | I'm going to re-read your first post now | 01:40 |
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SynQ | SDuensin: I think that is unfair and rude too | 01:41 |
SynQ | rizen: you are right | 01:42 |
SynQ | you did say you where going to try to assimilate it | 01:42 |
SynQ | perhaps I should have understood in advance that it was not possible to have a real discussion on it | 01:43 |
SynQ | but somehow I keep expecting it | 01:43 |
@rizen | hehe | 01:43 |
SynQ | I keep believing | 01:43 |
@rizen | i didn't say that there wouldn't be a real discussion on | 01:43 |
@rizen | it | 01:43 |
@rizen | only that i wouldn't be participating in it | 01:44 |
@rizen | if the designers want to comment they are certainly capable of doing so | 01:44 |
@rizen | i didn't direct them not to | 01:44 |
SynQ | with real discussion I mean that the community would be really involved in the descisions on the design | 01:44 |
@rizen | that's design by committed | 01:44 |
SynQ | I think you should go even further | 01:44 |
@rizen | committee | 01:44 |
@rizen | which doesn't work | 01:44 |
SynQ | and direct them to do so | 01:44 |
@rizen | ultimately there has to be a decision maker | 01:44 |
SynQ | I agree | 01:44 |
@rizen | and that person is going to be mego | 01:44 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9723 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm: Make edit story form values sticky, for preview. | 01:44 |
SynQ | but that doesn't mean that you cannot discuss, go into arguments and discuss about it first | 01:45 |
@rizen | and i didn't say that there wouldn't be those things | 01:45 |
@rizen | only that i'm not going to do it | 01:45 |
SynQ | 90% of the time these discussions are worth quite a deal | 01:45 |
@rizen | and now i've wasted enough time telling you the same things over and over again | 01:45 |
SynQ | I love you too | 01:45 |
@rizen | so i'm going to go home and make dinner | 01:46 |
@rizen | i love you too koen | 01:46 |
SynQ | shall I try and compile the WRE tomorrow | 01:46 |
@rizen | if you like | 01:46 |
@rizen | i haven't been able to get it to compile even once yet | 01:46 |
@rizen | but i keep trying | 01:46 |
SynQ | how is your progress on 64 bit coming along? | 01:46 |
@rizen | not even trying that | 01:46 |
SynQ | oh | 01:46 |
@rizen | i can't get it to compile on 32 bit | 01:46 |
@rizen | after the changes you made | 01:46 |
SynQ | where does it get stuck/ | 01:46 |
@rizen | apache | 01:46 |
SynQ | that's odd | 01:46 |
@rizen | Undefined symbols: | 01:46 |
@rizen | "_BIO_set_callback_arg", referenced from: | 01:46 |
@rizen | _start_connect in ab.o | 01:46 |
@rizen | "_BIO_get_callback_arg", referenced from: | 01:46 |
@rizen | _ssl_print_cb in ab.o | 01:46 |
@rizen | "_SSL_CTX_set_info_callback", referenced from: | 01:46 |
@rizen | _main in ab.o | 01:46 |
SynQ | apache compiles just fine with me | 01:47 |
@rizen | "_BIO_set_callback", referenced from: | 01:47 |
@rizen | _start_connect in ab.o | 01:47 |
SynQ | hmm | 01:47 |
@rizen | it's probably a mac thing | 01:47 |
SynQ | could be | 01:47 |
SynQ | but it has to work on mac too | 01:47 |
@rizen | but it didn't used to happen | 01:47 |
@rizen | and now it does | 01:47 |
SynQ | :) | 01:47 |
@rizen | so i'm trying to work through it | 01:47 |
@rizen | so far nothing | 01:47 |
SynQ | bugger | 01:47 |
@rizen | had some problems with lftp too | 01:47 |
@rizen | but i fixed those and checked them in | 01:47 |
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SynQ | I saw you ditched it | 01:47 |
SynQ | oh now | 01:47 |
@rizen | didn't ditch it | 01:47 |
SynQ | indeed you didn't | 01:48 |
@rizen | i commented out rsync for the time being | 01:48 |
SynQ | you ditchet some other stuff | 01:48 |
@rizen | cuz i'm having problems with that too | 01:48 |
@rizen | yeah stuff we don't need anymore | 01:48 |
@rizen | like subversion | 01:48 |
SynQ | rsync is included in all linux and bsd distro's | 01:48 |
@rizen | yeah, but in many cases it's OLD | 01:48 |
SynQ | including git sounds like a good idea to me | 01:48 |
@rizen | i'm trying to include the latest with the wre | 01:48 |
@rizen | no git | 01:49 |
SynQ | the debian git is very old | 01:49 |
@rizen | and probably no rsync either | 01:49 |
@rizen | need to get this damn thing out the door after all | 01:49 |
SynQ | have you seen the 'developers' directory I created | 01:49 |
SynQ | what I would like to do | 01:49 |
@rizen | yes, but haven't looked at it | 01:49 |
@rizen | just saw it | 01:49 |
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SynQ | is create a small set of scripts there that will add stuff to your WRE to turn it into a developer suite too | 01:50 |
SynQ | like all perl modules needed to run all tests | 01:50 |
SynQ | if you ask me we don't really need 64bit right now | 01:50 |
SynQ | but the apache 2.2 we do need I think | 01:50 |
@rizen | like i said i'm not even looking at 64 bit | 01:51 |
@rizen | i'm just trying to get it to compile at all at this point | 01:51 |
SynQ | I know you did | 01:51 |
@rizen | and that's not happening | 01:51 |
@rizen | until i get it to compile | 01:51 |
@rizen | nothing else matters | 01:51 |
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SynQ | indeed so | 01:51 |
SynQ | perhaps you should go and cook some dinner | 01:51 |
@rizen | yup | 01:52 |
SynQ | catch you later | 01:52 |
SynQ | good night :) | 01:52 |
@rizen | continue with my wre frustrations into the night | 01:52 |
@rizen | later | 01:52 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9724 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh): a couple additional things to try to get wre to compile | 02:11 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9725 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 02:39 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Templates for archive, and edit story. | 02:39 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added switches and URLs for adding stories. | 02:39 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fixed date problems in the date_loop. | 02:39 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fixed an autocommit issue with folders when there's no currently open version tag. | 02:39 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: brian * r9726 /branch/crop/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm: checkpoint | 03:11 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9727 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: override www_add so that it makes or access a folder to hold stories. | 03:11 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9728 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.0/root_import_storymanager_editstory.wgpkg: Fix a broken label. | 03:11 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9729 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): | 03:11 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add a getArchive method to the Story. Test it. | 03:11 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Make www_edit work. | 03:11 |
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+patspam | the admin console icons seem to be all GIFs.. should new ones also be GIFs? or is PNG ok? | 03:42 |
@preaction | i think png is okay | 03:52 |
+patspam | ok, thanks preaction | 04:46 |
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elnino | thanks patspam! | 06:53 |
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elnino | anyone awake? | 10:53 |
ryuu_ro | yup | 10:53 |
elnino | hi. | 10:54 |
ryuu_ro | hi there | 10:54 |
elnino | I have 7.5.24,and am trying to use gallery. | 10:54 |
elnino | I think there is a bug, would you be able to help? | 10:54 |
ryuu_ro | not sure, what's the problem? | 10:54 |
elnino | I'm getting calendar javascripts included on the photo gallery asset. (i'm looking AT the asset, it's not in a pagelayout. <script type="text/javascript">window.webguiFirstDayOfWeek = '0'</script> | 10:55 |
elnino | and there is about 50 of those <script> lines. | 10:55 |
elnino | just weird. | 10:55 |
elnino | I dont' see it in any template. | 10:55 |
elnino | and of course it makes the page load slower. | 10:57 |
ryuu_ro | good one, i'm running 7.6.13 and i see them too | 10:57 |
ryuu_ro | but I only have 5 of them | 10:58 |
elnino | you are???. wow. That's good to know. I'm searching bug reports, otherwise I'll create one. | 10:58 |
elnino | (the line wraps) | 10:58 |
elnino | actually, in your case, the line probably isn't wrapping. | 10:59 |
ryuu_ro | nope, the line isn't wrapping in my source | 10:59 |
ryuu_ro | how many albums do you have in your gallery? | 11:00 |
elnino | just one.. http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9779 - please vote! they think they fixed it in your version.. =( | 11:01 |
elnino | you SURE you have 7.6.13? | 11:02 |
ryuu_ro | yep :) | 11:03 |
elnino | may want to tell perlDreamer that.. maybe he wrote the wrong version. I guess I just have to update. | 11:04 |
ryuu_ro | i'm leaving him a message as we speak | 11:04 |
elnino | well, off to bed. It's way late. I'm just glad I wasn't seeign things. Thanks for confirming the bug! | 11:04 |
ryuu_ro | updating probably is the better thing to do | 11:04 |
ryuu_ro | no problem | 11:04 |
ryuu_ro | goodnight | 11:04 |
elnino | bye | 11:05 |
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@plainhao | how do you guys debug memory problems in a webgui environment? couldn't get b::tersesize configured properly, trying apache2::status but getting default wg homepage... | 15:40 |
+BartJol | well you can manage the maxclients in the apache conf | 15:42 |
+BartJol | plainhao: that's also possible for the modperl | 15:43 |
@plainhao | thanks, bart, i'll try that | 15:44 |
+BartJol | so the main confs, not site confs | 15:44 |
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@plainhao | something's eating up memory like crazy, though | 15:52 |
@plainhao | i need to track down the responsible modules | 15:53 |
+BartJol | which processes? | 15:53 |
@plainhao | sizelimit is killing the modperl process because it grows out of control | 15:53 |
+BartJol | I have it once in a while that processes go on the run, mostly I restart modperl and modproxy | 15:53 |
@plainhao | i even upped the max | 15:54 |
@plainhao | so i have no choice but to track down the source of the problem | 15:54 |
+BartJol | mm | 15:56 |
+BartJol | strange, is that on a regular install? | 15:56 |
@plainhao | patched dev install of 7.5.25 | 15:57 |
+BartJol | mmm | 15:57 |
+BartJol | well, I'm afraid I can't track it down from here | 15:58 |
+BartJol | :) | 15:58 |
+BartJol | so for now I can't help you more | 15:58 |
+BartJol | sorry | 15:58 |
@plainhao | thanks anyway :) | 15:59 |
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@plainhao | is it safe to remove stuff from /tmp/WebGUICache? | 18:18 |
@rizen | yup | 18:18 |
@plainhao | struggling to track down a modperl memory leak | 18:18 |
@rizen | it's also safe to delete everything in the cache table if you're using database cache | 18:18 |
* plainhao thanks rizen. | 18:19 |
SynQ2 | hey rizen! | 18:21 |
SynQ2 | are you making progress on compilation yet? | 18:21 |
@rizen | made some | 18:21 |
SynQ2 | nice | 18:22 |
@rizen | figured out that readline is the bitch | 18:22 |
SynQ2 | readline should be included in the wre | 18:22 |
SynQ2 | it bit me on debian once or twice before | 18:22 |
@rizen | yeah, but when you have readline compiled into the wre (at least on mac) then apache and rsync don't want to compile | 18:22 |
@rizen | it's only really needed for lftp | 18:22 |
SynQ2 | wierd | 18:23 |
@rizen | currently the only way i can figure to make it work is to | 18:23 |
@rizen | compile lftp and readline into /data/wre/prereqs/lftp | 18:23 |
@rizen | then put a shell script in /data/wre/prereqs/bin/lftp | 18:23 |
@rizen | that points to it | 18:23 |
SynQ2 | sounds like a good way to deal with that for me | 18:23 |
@rizen | and sets up the appropriate env | 18:23 |
@rizen | to me it seems like a jury rig | 18:23 |
@rizen | so i'm trying to figure a way around it | 18:24 |
SynQ2 | wouldn't a pure perl alternative to lftp be the way to go? | 18:24 |
@rizen | not really possible | 18:24 |
SynQ2 | lftp is only used for WRE backups right? | 18:24 |
@rizen | unless you want to spend 20 years | 18:24 |
@rizen | lftp does huge stuff | 18:24 |
@rizen | and very well | 18:24 |
@rizen | yes only for backups | 18:24 |
SynQ2 | ok | 18:24 |
SynQ2 | I have seen what lftp can do | 18:25 |
SynQ2 | quite impressive indeed | 18:25 |
@rizen | lftp is pretty much the most impressive file transfer system on the planet (besides rsync) | 18:25 |
@rizen | anyway, i have it working like this now | 18:25 |
@rizen | but i'm still looking into another possibility | 18:25 |
@rizen | haarg thinks that maybe if i compile lftp last | 18:26 |
@rizen | the other things will keep working | 18:26 |
SynQ2 | ok | 18:26 |
SynQ2 | but then a recompile won't work | 18:26 |
@rizen | yeah | 18:26 |
@rizen | ok i'll live with the hack for now | 18:26 |
SynQ2 | not that that should be a problem | 18:26 |
@rizen | until someone comes up with something better | 18:26 |
SynQ2 | so will I | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | lose lftp. backups are for wimps. | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | customers don't backup anyway | 18:27 |
SynQ2 | unfortunately I don't have a mac so I cannot help you there | 18:27 |
* SynQ2 tips perlDreamer over like a spotted cow | 18:27 |
SynQ2 | don't use flaimbait on us | 18:27 |
SynQ2 | you know how allergic JT is to that | 18:27 |
@rizen | well pb is switching to rsync for all backups anyway | 18:28 |
SynQ2 | so am I | 18:28 |
@rizen | but we still have to support those people that use ftp, webdav, etc | 18:28 |
SynQ2 | and rsync over ssh works like a charm if you want it remote | 18:28 |
@rizen | and that's where lftp comes in | 18:28 |
@rizen | yup, that's what we're doing sync | 18:28 |
SynQ2 | well, for me you can skip that | 18:28 |
@rizen | rsync is already compiling | 18:28 |
@rizen | now that readline is out of the way | 18:28 |
@rizen | the reason i want it is that a lot of operating systems only come with the 2.x versions of rsync, and i want the 3.x version | 18:29 |
SynQ2 | I would say, ask the dev list if anyone still want to keep the ftp and webdav option | 18:29 |
SynQ2 | then just kick lftp out | 18:29 |
SynQ2 | if they don't | 18:29 |
@rizen | well the hack works for now | 18:29 |
@rizen | we can deal with that over time | 18:29 |
@rizen | slowly migrate it out | 18:29 |
SynQ2 | shall I ask the dev list? | 18:29 |
@rizen | feel free | 18:29 |
SynQ2 | ok I will | 18:29 |
@rizen | but it's staying in for this release | 18:30 |
@rizen | we can take it out in the next | 18:30 |
SynQ2 | agreed | 18:30 |
@rizen | if no one cares | 18:30 |
SynQ2 | indeed so | 18:30 |
SynQ2 | mail sent | 18:33 |
SynQ2 | any other problems in compiling? | 18:33 |
@rizen | still working out some stuff in build.sh regarding this new way of compiling lftp | 18:35 |
@rizen | after that i'll let you know | 18:35 |
SynQ2 | ok | 18:35 |
@rizen | will be checking in this new version of build.sh shortly | 18:35 |
SynQ2 | drop me an e-mail and I'll checkout a version and try and compile again | 18:35 |
@rizen | it's in svn now | 18:37 |
SynQ2 | ok | 18:37 |
SynQ2 | last time I timed my builds | 18:37 |
SynQ2 | they took about 35 to 45 minutes | 18:38 |
@rizen | SynQ2: what type of operating systems are you building on? | 18:38 |
SynQ2 | for a build.sh --all | 18:38 |
SynQ2 | debian etch 32bits | 18:38 |
@rizen | ok, that's a pretty standard linux, so if it works there it should work on most/all linuxes | 18:38 |
SynQ2 | indeed | 18:38 |
@rizen | that's good to hear | 18:38 |
SynQ2 | checking it out now | 18:38 |
@rizen | the bane of my existence is usually freebsd | 18:39 |
@rizen | hopefully it will go well there | 18:39 |
SynQ2 | I'm helping you hope that | 18:40 |
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SynQ2 | it's one of the reasons we ditched freebsd | 18:40 |
SynQ2 | I'm gonna do a getsource.sh first | 18:41 |
SynQ2 | and a getperlmodules.sh | 18:41 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9730 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (23 files in 14 dirs): merge back with HEAD for 7.7.0 | 18:41 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9731 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh): fixed lftp / readline issues | 18:41 |
+BartJol | weren't you going home 2 hours ago SynQ? | 18:41 |
@rizen | SynQ2: btw, those get....sh modules, are awesome! nice work. | 18:42 |
SynQ2 | thanks you are very welcome | 18:42 |
SynQ2 | mysql 5.1.32 is available :) | 18:43 |
SynQ2 | I see now that I want that | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | the last time we looked at mysql 5.1 it cost us 3 hours of core work | 18:43 |
SynQ2 | because: Incompatible Change: The fix for Bug#33699 introduced a change to the UPDATE statement such that assigning NULL to a NOT NULL column caused an error even when strict SQL mode was not enabled. | 18:43 |
SynQ2 | perlDreamer: that is exactly why I want .32 | 18:44 |
SynQ2 | since that is fixed now | 18:44 |
SynQ2 | JT: is it OK if I update that later? | 18:44 |
@rizen | yup | 18:44 |
@rizen | until we're starting to build for release | 18:45 |
@rizen | you can keep updating modules | 18:45 |
@rizen | since i haven't gotten even one successful compile yet, i don't think we're very close to starting to build for release | 18:45 |
SynQ2 | ok :) | 18:45 |
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SynQ2 | JT: build is running now | 18:46 |
SynQ2 | I'm gonna use the time it is taking to drive home | 18:47 |
SynQ2 | catch you later | 18:47 |
@rizen | later | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: is it about 11:26 am where you are? | 19:24 |
@rizen | yes | 19:24 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9732 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: fixed tar xvf line for rsync | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | excellent | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | at some point I'm going to submit an RFE for the timezones of admin and Visitor to be adjusted to local time zone during install/setup | 19:26 |
@Haarg | doesn't it do that already? | 19:40 |
@Haarg | or do you mean by detecting the local time zone? | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | Admin's time zone is Chicago | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | which at first told me that I was creating stories at the wrong time | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | but that's not the problem | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | the problem is that Admin's time zone is Chicago, and Chicago is two hours ahead of Portland | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | but since I'm Admin, and I live in Portland, I'd prefer it if Admin were always my time zone, whereever I happen to be. | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | so when it goes through setup/install, it would be handy if it set Admin's time zone to here. | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | which I could do with another --util script to wgd reset | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | maybe the problem is that I'm not going through the site starter | 19:51 |
@rizen | it already does that pd | 19:52 |
@rizen | on the blue screen during site setup | 19:52 |
@rizen | it asks you about your timezone | 19:52 |
@rizen | not for visitor | 19:52 |
@rizen | but for admin | 19:52 |
@rizen | well maybe it sets it for visitor too, i can't remember it | 19:52 |
@rizen | but what haarg said is correct | 19:52 |
@rizen | it does set it | 19:52 |
@rizen | i did that in 7.5 | 19:52 |
@rizen | yes, that's your problem | 19:53 |
@rizen | not going through the site starter | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | so I shouldn't skip the site setup if I want it to do that. I'll just quit whinging ;) | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | it does Visitor, too | 19:53 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9733 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 20:01 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add stories to a story archive. | 20:01 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: i18n support for that. | 20:01 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: log problems when calling www_add in the story archive. | 20:01 |
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* perlDreamer goes to the gym. bbl | 20:28 |
* preaction eats a whole batch of cookies | 20:34 |
+BartJol | preaction: trying to keep the health well balanced in the community? | 20:35 |
@preaction | just helping deafferret keep perlDreamer properly demotivated | 20:36 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9734 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add a cancel button to the edit story form. | 20:36 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9735 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Story.pm i18n/English/Asset_Story.pm): Help and i18n for the edit story template. | 20:36 |
* rizen likes cookies | 20:36 |
* BartJol likes raw herring | 20:37 |
* rizen gags | 20:37 |
+BartJol | well, don't be affraid, we won't take them to the wuc | 20:38 |
@rizen | i'm sure there's plenty of people at the wuc that would like it | 20:41 |
@rizen | the diversity of the group there is pretty large | 20:41 |
+BartJol | martin doesn't | 20:41 |
+BartJol | so not all dutch people like it | 20:41 |
+BartJol | we're not all insane :) | 20:41 |
+BartJol | plainhao: already succes with your runaway perl problem? | 20:42 |
@plainhao | nope :) | 20:43 |
@plainhao | looks like a memory leak somewhere | 20:43 |
+BartJol | well, I do have some time now, so just give me a root account and I have all the means :) | 20:43 |
@plainhao | not in my code, though, someone else's | 20:43 |
* plainhao is not allowed to give BartJol access, unfortunately. | 20:44 |
+BartJol | already some idea in what module? | 20:44 |
@plainhao | someone else's modules :) | 20:44 |
@plainhao | using Moose! | 20:44 |
* plainhao thanks BartJol for the offer, though. | 20:45 |
+BartJol | moose? | 20:45 |
+BartJol | well, I suppose nobody trusts it when someone says "give me root access" | 20:46 |
+BartJol | I wouldn't | 20:46 |
* plainhao doesn't trust himself with root access. | 20:46 |
+BartJol | :) | 20:47 |
* rizen doesn't trust anyone with root access | 20:47 |
@rizen | except SynQ2 | 20:47 |
+BartJol | whoa | 20:47 |
@rizen | i'd trust SynQ2 with root access on a box with no critical data and no network cable plugged into it | 20:48 |
+BartJol | ah, I was already doubting your sanity | 20:48 |
+BartJol | and no wireless I supose | 20:48 |
@rizen | correct | 20:48 |
@rizen | no networking of any kind | 20:48 |
@rizen | not even sneaker net | 20:49 |
@rizen | so no usb ports | 20:49 |
+BartJol | well, as long as his intentions are good I trust him | 20:49 |
+BartJol | they mostly are | 20:50 |
@rizen | if it's about business, i trust him | 20:50 |
@rizen | if it's just an attempt to get root access, then i worry | 20:50 |
@rizen | =) | 20:50 |
+BartJol | well, you can see that as a security test | 20:51 |
+BartJol | most people I kknow (outside procolix/oqapi etc) aready think you're a hacker when you're using putty | 20:52 |
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+BartJol | looking at the code, the language is only a profileField, but I am uncertain whether you can set it as a session variable somehow | 21:07 |
+BartJol | maybe a scratch or stow... | 21:08 |
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+perlmonkey2 | plainhao: Which module had the moose leak? | 21:27 |
* plainhao is going to try including the custom modules in preload.exclude. | 21:28 |
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@plainhao | are @INC modules always preloaded in wre by default? | 21:52 |
+BartJol | I thought you had to run setenvironment | 21:54 |
+BartJol | or is that not what you mean? | 21:55 |
@Haarg | webgui's lib directory is not, with or without setenv | 21:56 |
@plainhao | sorry, meant preloaded in wre modperl | 21:57 |
* plainhao is seeing every module on the planet preloaded when he turns on apache2::status | 21:58 |
@Haarg | everything in WebGUI/lib and anything listed in preload.custom is | 21:58 |
@Haarg | everything inside dirs listed in preload.custom | 21:59 |
@Haarg | if you don't want it preloaded, you can just list in as an inc path in the apache config | 21:59 |
* plainhao thanks Haarg. | 22:00 |
* perlDreamer1 is back. Consumption of raw fish cookies can now stop. | 22:11 |
* BartJol is thinking: "mmmm, raw fish cookies". | 22:12 |
perlDreamer1 | BartJol, how's that house? | 22:12 |
+BartJol | still slow and today I got a awkward notice | 22:13 |
+BartJol | that I do have to arrange the new meters (water and electricity) | 22:13 |
+BartJol | but actually I'm thinking that guy just wants to sneak out of the arrangement | 22:14 |
+BartJol | he tried all kind of thing with my future neighbour | 22:14 |
perlDreamer1 | stick it to him, BartJol | 22:15 |
+BartJol | I'll try | 22:15 |
+BartJol | he says that the energy company said it to him, so I do want to see that letter | 22:16 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9736 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 22:53 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Change how the view template variables work. It no longer appends, viewTemplateVars | 22:53 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: makes them all. | 22:53 |
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SynQ | hmm root access huh | 23:13 |
SynQ | perhaps I should pick up the trade of hacking WebGUI :P | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | but then you'd have to do the whole hacker lifestyle | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | hacker clothing | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | hacker friends | 23:13 |
SynQ | don't I do allready? | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | hacker body piercings | 23:13 |
+BartJol | ah, it's hosenozzle 11 | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | very inconvenient for a respectable business person like yourself | 23:14 |
SynQ | I'm wearing a oqapi hoody | 23:14 |
SynQ | I have JT as a friend | 23:14 |
+BartJol | I have the JT-Che t-shirt on | 23:14 |
+BartJol | so we are dressed appropiately | 23:14 |
SynQ | what are hacker body pierciengs like? anus piercing? | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | oh, and I almost forgot | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | you have to write tests every month for WebGUI | 23:15 |
SynQ | well that is probably true | 23:15 |
SynQ | since to hack WebGUI I'd probably have to do that just to understand enough of it | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | exactly | 23:16 |
SynQ | sounds like an awful lot of trouble | 23:16 |
SynQ | Building Complete And Successful | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | w00t! | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ++ | 23:21 |
@rizen | i wish synq | 23:21 |
@rizen | still can't get apache to compile | 23:21 |
SynQ | wierd | 23:21 |
SynQ | and you can if you just don't install readline? | 23:22 |
@rizen | no now it seems to be something else | 23:22 |
+BartJol | SynQ++? now we have two of those! | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | karma SynQ | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | perlbot: karma SynQ | 23:22 |
perlbot | Karma for SynQ: 2 | 23:22 |
@rizen | perhaps iconv, i'm trying a few things | 23:22 |
SynQ | I do have libreadline5-dev installed on debian | 23:22 |
SynQ | so perhaps while compiling apache it is using that | 23:22 |
SynQ | Bart: SynQ2 is the irc client in the office | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | well, I'm only giving karma to one of you | 23:23 |
+BartJol | ah | 23:23 |
SynQ | JT: I've updated the mysql so do update your checked out code :) | 23:23 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9737 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): Document the missing keywords template variable that is now added to all assets. | 23:25 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9738 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh): updated mysql to use 5.1.32 | 23:25 |
SynQ | hmm | 23:26 |
SynQ | I have missed a spot | 23:26 |
SynQ | and fixed | 23:28 |
SynQ | rizen: can you paste the error you get while compiling into a pastebin? | 23:29 |
SynQ | perhaps I can see something familiar there | 23:29 |
SynQ | preferably some extra than just the error | 23:30 |
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@rizen | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m52524d1b | 23:43 |
@frodwith | So hey, nosy n00b question for some WebGUI veteran or another. How come WebGUI preloads all its junk at mod_perl startup? | 23:43 |
@rizen | it looks like an SSL error | 23:43 |
@rizen | but it's not really | 23:43 |
@rizen | frodwith: cuz it's far more memory efficient to do so | 23:44 |
@frodwith | Ah, with the pre-forking? | 23:44 |
@rizen | yup | 23:44 |
@frodwith | shared memory and all that? | 23:44 |
@frodwith | k | 23:44 |
@rizen | with webgui 8 i hope to be able to use webgui in a threaded mode if possible, cuz then we can use a lot less memory | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | webgui: woven and spun | 23:48 |
SynQ | rizen: and skip apache all together | 23:49 |
SynQ | just run it under fastcgi and nginx | 23:49 |
@rizen | SynQ: that's slower | 23:50 |
@rizen | at least the last time i benchmarked | 23:50 |
SynQ | with nginx? | 23:50 |
@rizen | never tried with nginx, but my guess is it will be too | 23:50 |
@rizen | apache with fastcgi vs apache with modperl | 23:50 |
@rizen | modperl was roughly 2x faster | 23:50 |
SynQ | http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-bugs/200809.mbox/%3Cbug-45758-7868@https.issues.apache.org/bugzilla/%3E | 23:51 |
SynQ | hmm | 23:51 |
SynQ | I think we should at least benchmark it again when WebGUI can run in threaded mode | 23:51 |
@rizen | SynQ: you don't have to paste me any links. i guarantee you i've read them all | 23:52 |
@rizen | been working on this problem for 5 days now | 23:52 |
SynQ | oh ok | 23:52 |
@rizen | and it has nothing to do with openssl | 23:52 |
SynQ | seems to me the problem is not with readline | 23:52 |
SynQ | but with openssl | 23:52 |
@rizen | it's not | 23:52 |
SynQ | why not? | 23:52 |
@rizen | cuz if i get rid of all the stuff in the utils build | 23:52 |
@rizen | except openssl | 23:53 |
@rizen | then apache builds fine | 23:53 |
@rizen | so it's something else in the utils build | 23:53 |
@rizen | causing a problem | 23:53 |
SynQ | hmm | 23:53 |
SynQ | openssl is in the utils build | 23:53 |
@rizen | yes | 23:53 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: koen * r9739 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: missed a 31 -> 32 spot | 23:53 |
@rizen | so i'm compiling over and over again | 23:54 |
@rizen | each time getting rid of one more thing | 23:54 |
@rizen | to see what it is | 23:54 |
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@rizen | i really hate working with all new modules | 23:55 |
@rizen | WRE 0.8 compiles so clean and easy | 23:55 |
@rizen | upgrade everything | 23:55 |
@rizen | and you've got no idea what's introducing errors | 23:55 |
SynQ | I agree with you | 23:56 |
SynQ | updating all modules at once is a pain | 23:57 |
SynQ | that is why I suggested updating them more regularly | 23:57 |
SynQ | but on my debian box that WRE compiles flawlessly | 23:58 |
@rizen | yeah, and linux is the easiest thing in the world to compile on cuz everything was written on linux | 23:58 |
@rizen | that's why i don't ever compile on linux first | 23:59 |
@rizen | i always start with freebsd or mac | 23:59 |
SynQ | I understand | 23:59 |
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SynQ | and I feel your pain, I have compiled perl multiple times on HP-UX and IRIX | 00:00 |
SynQ | and I can tell you, that is even worse | 00:00 |
SynQ | btw: using that mysql 5.1.32 probably fixes all the trouble we had with those NULL values | 00:00 |
SynQ | since 5.1.31 was doing scrict mode on them even if strict mode was not enabled | 00:01 |
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SynQ | rizen: I hate to tell you this, but _BIO_set_callback_arg and _SSL_CTX_set_info_callback are both symbols that are defined by openssl so it MUST be caused by the apache compile not being able to find them | 00:05 |
SynQ | perhaps this link is of some help: http://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg22777.html | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | streaming audio really isn't too bad | 00:08 |
@rizen | SynQ: stop | 00:08 |
@rizen | you're wrong | 00:08 |
@rizen | i know it looks like an open ssl error | 00:08 |
@rizen | but it's NOT | 00:08 |
SynQ | ok | 00:08 |
@rizen | please don't help | 00:08 |
SynQ | ok I won't | 00:08 |
SynQ | good luck then | 00:08 |
@rizen | unless you want to get a mac and try it yourself | 00:08 |
@rizen | then you can help | 00:08 |
+patspam | perlDreamer: we've been playing with streaming video/audio lately | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | is it hard to set up on a server? | 00:10 |
SynQ | if it's something else then there should have been other errors before the one you pasted | 00:10 |
+patspam | not if you use HTTP :) | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | I'm just listening to a radio station that I don't reception for in my house | 00:10 |
+patspam | just settled on Longtail flash player with Amazon S3 for the files | 00:10 |
SynQ | as soon as I can afford it I will get a mac so I will be able to help you | 00:10 |
+BartJol | well, good luck with compiling and listing to radio, it's bedtime for me I guess | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | good night, BartJol | 00:12 |
+patspam | night Bart! | 00:12 |
+BartJol | merci | 00:12 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen, I had this weird idea last night | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | if we switch to TemplateToolkit, I think we can stop using the Macro system | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | TT should let us define very simple subroutines that users can call from template code | 00:13 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: i've already thought about that and decided against it...at least for the time being | 00:14 |
@rizen | macros are used in places other than templates | 00:14 |
@Haarg | but we can add the ability to call macros directly from templates | 00:15 |
@rizen | that we can do | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | How's that different from how it works now? | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 00:15 |
@rizen | call the code directly | 00:15 |
@rizen | rather than parsing | 00:15 |
SynQ | rizen: this is the last thing I'll point you to and that is it http://marc.info/?l=apache-httpd-bugs&m=121750480523495&w=4 | 00:16 |
SynQ | can't help helping | 00:16 |
@rizen | heh | 00:16 |
SynQ | that guy fiddled with the ./configure syntax on mac a little and claims it got it compiling | 00:17 |
SynQ | seems worth the try to me | 00:17 |
@rizen | i'll try it after this next compile | 00:17 |
SynQ | thanks | 00:17 |
@rizen | i've already got it going | 00:17 |
@rizen | might as well see if this run works | 00:17 |
SynQ | indeed so | 00:18 |
SynQ | have you noteced too that for two perl modules the ./build.sh still asks for human input? | 00:18 |
@rizen | no | 00:19 |
@rizen | cuz i can't get that far | 00:19 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: great idea though, keep those coming | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | well, there is one other thing | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | we have to be very, very careful what we allow TT to have access to | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | since it will happily execute method calls on objects | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | so we can't ever pass in a session | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | or anything that has a session | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | since then you could do session.db.write('update auth set passwd = ""') | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | or other kinds of bad stuff | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | there are probably config options for that | 00:22 |
@rizen | right | 00:23 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9740 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.0/ (3 files): Template/folder clean-up | 00:23 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9741 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.0/root_import_storymanager.wgpkg: Fix namespace in Story template | 00:23 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9742 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: | 00:23 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix label typos in storiesPerPage. | 00:23 |
@rizen | i don't plan on giving it anything other than variables | 00:23 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add Story templateId. | 00:23 |
@rizen | just like the current template engine | 00:23 |
@rizen | if we expose macros, like graham said, we can pass in session to the macro on behalf of the template engine | 00:24 |
@rizen | and then macros only take text parameters | 00:24 |
@rizen | which will work in templates | 00:24 |
@rizen | SynQ: same problem | 00:27 |
+patspam | rizen: hola | 00:28 |
@rizen | howdy | 00:28 |
+patspam | are you planning on (or interested in) being in the dev environment panel/talk? | 00:29 |
@rizen | i'm not going to be in it | 00:29 |
@rizen | graham will be | 00:29 |
@rizen | Haarg that is | 00:29 |
+patspam | I thought arjan put his hand up but he was just saying he wanted to see it | 00:29 |
+patspam | yep, wgd is going to be the star feature | 00:30 |
@rizen | you're also going to talk a bit about git, right? | 00:30 |
+patspam | yep | 00:30 |
+patspam | I'd love to have another angle on how people work with webgui in their daily dev life | 00:30 |
@rizen | i don't think there should be more than one PB person represented in the panel | 00:30 |
@rizen | otherwise it is too weighted | 00:30 |
+patspam | ok, sure | 00:30 |
+patspam | maybe I'll try knowmad | 00:30 |
@rizen | maybe you can get | 00:31 |
@rizen | yeah | 00:31 |
@rizen | or someone from oqapi | 00:31 |
@rizen | henry from alpha mega hosting would be good too | 00:31 |
+patspam | excellent, I'll send them an email now | 00:32 |
+patspam | is henry on the mailing list? | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | wgd needs a whole talk by itself | 00:32 |
+patspam | agreed | 00:32 |
@rizen | no space for it | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | and Haarg needs a bonus for all the time he's saving devs | 00:32 |
@preaction | isn't Haarg giving a talk about it for our madmongers thing? | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | maybe an expense account at the Great Dane | 00:33 |
@Haarg | nothing planned preaction but it would be reasonable | 00:33 |
+patspam | it'll be cool because we'll show off all these little things we've been using to make life easier, and then Haarg will show how you can do it all with wgd.. and more | 00:33 |
@preaction | then we could put it on wg.tv or something as well | 00:33 |
@rizen | if haarg had a talk about wgd separate from the panel | 00:35 |
@rizen | would you still have enough to talk about at the panel? | 00:35 |
@preaction | if he talks about the technical, programming aspects of wgd, and then talks about what you can do with the current state of wgd at the panel, there should be enough | 00:36 |
@preaction | i mean, madmongers will be more interested in how he did it, not what it does | 00:36 |
+patspam | not currently, we'd have to get more companies on board (right now there's just me and Haarg) | 00:36 |
@rizen | ok then, we'll leave it as is | 00:37 |
@rizen | haarg is itching to get rid of one of his other talks | 00:37 |
@rizen | which we could do | 00:37 |
@rizen | but only if you'd have enough content in the panel | 00:37 |
+patspam | current grand total number of responses to the Australian WebGUI Census... zero | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | zero? | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | What about Radix_? | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | and Radix_wrk? | 00:38 |
SynQ | rizen: too bad | 00:38 |
+patspam | responses | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | that's worse, patspam, because there should have been at least one | 00:39 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9743 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm: Viewing stories is now possible. | 00:59 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9744 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.0/root_import_storymanager.wgpkg: | 00:59 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fixes to edit story, view story templates. There is no summary field, it's | 00:59 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: subtitle. | 00:59 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen, within reason, I can add modules to WebGUI for the StoryManager? | 01:57 |
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@rizen | that seems a bit open ended to me | 01:57 |
@rizen | what are you thinking? | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | There is a module for formatting durations that gives exactly what the Story display needs. | 01:58 |
+perlDreamer | DateTime::Format::Duration | 01:58 |
+perlDreamer | so, within reason = 1 or 2 small ones | 01:58 |
@rizen | oh you mean prereqs | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 01:59 |
@rizen | i thought you meant write new core modules | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, make that vague and open ended ;) | 01:59 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9745 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:59 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: change names of loops to be _loop vs Loop. | 01:59 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Added keyword loop variable. | 01:59 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Change subtitle to a textarea. | 01:59 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add tests for Story template variables. | 01:59 |
@rizen | yeah DateTime::* is good | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | btw, you can add and view stories through the UI now | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | they're not pretty, and they're not fully functional yet | 01:59 |
@rizen | awesome | 02:02 |
SynQ | http://demo.webgui.nl | 02:04 |
SynQ | how fast is that | 02:04 |
SynQ | compared to http://demo.webgui.org | 02:04 |
SynQ | for you in the states? | 02:04 |
SynQ | for me, after creating a site and logging in when I click 'turn admin on' the difference is 6.5 seconds for demo.webgui.org and 1.2 seconds for demo.webgui.nl | 02:07 |
SynQ | that demo.webgui.nl is running the newly compiled WRE svn HEAD version btw | 02:07 |
SynQ | I have used lori (firefox plugin) to time that. times mentioned are time-to-complete | 02:12 |
+patspam | I'm about to try with Hammerhead | 02:12 |
+patspam | (firebug plugin) | 02:12 |
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+patspam | Admin Mode will be very latency-sensitive (and hence locate sensitive) because of the large number of requests | 02:13 |
SynQ | I understand | 02:15 |
+patspam | e.g. they'll both be slow for me in australia =p | 02:16 |
SynQ | which makes you a good benchmark | 02:17 |
+patspam | 15 seconds vs. 14 seconds on an empty cache (demo.webgui.nl faster) | 02:24 |
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SynQ | that is not much of a difference | 02:25 |
SynQ | one second | 02:25 |
SynQ | perhaps if I tune mysql some more | 02:25 |
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Mech422Home | perldreamer: I'm supposed to get up a vm for you, aren't I ? | 02:27 |
SynQ | patspam: could you try again? I have now turned the tmpdir to a ramdisk | 02:36 |
SynQ | I'm thinking | 02:37 |
SynQ | since a demo is temporary anyway | 02:37 |
SynQ | why not put the demo domains dir into ram too... | 02:37 |
+patspam | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d45b15bea | 02:39 |
SynQ | wow | 02:39 |
SynQ | blazingly fast | 02:39 |
SynQ | can you do that again | 02:40 |
SynQ | with these improvements I just did | 02:40 |
+patspam | i think i did them after the ramdisk change | 02:40 |
+patspam | you want me to do it again again? | 02:40 |
SynQ | oh | 02:41 |
SynQ | the ramdiskchange was done at 1:38 | 02:41 |
SynQ | that was the time I put the /data/domains/demo dir to ramdisk too | 02:41 |
+patspam | empty cache with Admin On still averages 13.5 seconds | 02:43 |
SynQ | ok | 02:43 |
Mech422Home | patspam: for how many requests ? | 02:43 |
SynQ | what surprises me | 02:44 |
SynQ | is that with admin off .org is faster | 02:44 |
SynQ | and with admin on .nl is faster | 02:44 |
+patspam | i must have better latency to .nl and .org | 02:45 |
+patspam | /and/than/ | 02:45 |
+patspam | Mech422Home: 104 requests | 02:45 |
+patspam | admin mode in all its glory | 02:45 |
+patspam | 732.2K Total size | 02:45 |
Mech422Home | .13/request - very nice :-) | 02:45 |
+patspam | SynQ: server-side tweaks probably won't change much, since the request overhead/latency is the dominating factor with admin mode on | 02:46 |
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SynQ | ok | 02:47 |
Mech422Home | patspam: the size probably isn't a big factor - given its the admin mode, time is prolly mostly for checking permissions, generating personalizations, etc - doing all that in .13 sec is very nice :-) | 02:47 |
SynQ | that justifies a plee for local demo sites around the world | 02:47 |
+patspam | Mech422Home: most of them are static files served up by modproxy, so it doesn't have to do much | 02:48 |
Mech422Home | patspam: really? ohh.... | 02:48 |
+patspam | SynQ: I'm going to try again with lori because Hammerhead seems a bit buggy | 02:49 |
SynQ | patspam: I don't think I can get that demo system to go any faster than what it is now | 02:49 |
SynQ | I was hoping that it would prove faster then demo.webgui.org | 02:50 |
SynQ | which feels very slow for me compared to demo.webgui.nl | 02:50 |
SynQ | but it could indeed be that it's the locality that is the killer | 02:50 |
SynQ | any US based people with lori around? | 02:50 |
SynQ | perlDreamer? | 02:51 |
Mech422Home | SynQ: If there are debian packages for it - I can hit it from our co-lo'd servers ? | 02:51 |
Mech422Home | SynQ: though I really wouldn' | 02:51 |
Mech422Home | wouldn't worry too much - less then 1 second is gonna seem very quick to humans.. | 02:51 |
SynQ | debian packages? | 02:51 |
Mech422Home | and anyone doing mechanized tests would factor in location, etc | 02:52 |
SynQ | I don't think I understand what you are getting at | 02:52 |
Mech422Home | Synq: I'm assuming lori is some sort of benchmark package ? | 02:52 |
SynQ | it is a firefox plugin | 02:52 |
SynQ | that shows you the load time of a page | 02:52 |
Mech422Home | oh - I'm on a crappy cable connection - my times are gonna suck | 02:52 |
SynQ | and the 'from click to first byte' time | 02:52 |
Mech422Home | but I think I have it installed - I have yslow too if ya like | 02:53 |
SynQ | I'm looking for the difference in 'feel' between demo.webgui.org and demo.webgui.nl | 02:53 |
SynQ | could you create a demo site on both of them and tell me which feels faster | 02:53 |
Mech422Home | gimme a minute | 02:53 |
SynQ | ok | 02:53 |
+patspam | SynQ: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1b7cd427 | 02:55 |
Mech422Home | feels nice - I don't have lori installed - but I can install it real quick if ya tell me what url ya want tested ? | 02:55 |
SynQ | what feels nice/ | 02:56 |
SynQ | patspam: that looks more in favour of .nl | 02:56 |
SynQ | still 10 seconds | 02:57 |
SynQ | that is a long wait | 02:57 |
SynQ | I don't envy you | 02:57 |
Mech422Home | demo.webgui.nl | 02:57 |
+patspam | Mech422Home: use these | 02:57 |
+patspam | http://demo.webgui.nl/demo1236297843_846/home?op=switchOnAdmin | 02:57 |
+patspam | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1236298554_565/home?op=switchOnAdmin | 02:57 |
+Radix-wrk | "1236300927217","http://demo.webgui.nl/demo1236300948_621/","882","9527","134981","16" | 02:59 |
+Radix-wrk | "1236301017624","http://demo.webgui.org/demo1236301000_170/","1032","9595","188005","16" | 02:59 |
+Radix-wrk | they're what I get.. wierd that the kb downloaded is 50kb higher for the webgui.org vs the .nl - yet identical page and selections on each one and cleared cache before each one | 03:00 |
+Radix-wrk | that's purely the first page on each... no login | 03:00 |
SynQ | patspam: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3f2106a1 | 03:01 |
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+patspam | SynQ: I hate you | 03:02 |
SynQ | Radix-wrk: you are also in .AU right? | 03:02 |
SynQ | patspam: I'm sorry | 03:02 |
SynQ | you are welcome to move over here | 03:02 |
SynQ | it's not so hot here and the lines are good | 03:02 |
+Radix-wrk | yup, but I'm on the other coast to patspam and so got different links to US/EU | 03:02 |
SynQ | ah | 03:02 |
SynQ | a better one? | 03:02 |
+Radix-wrk | not always | 03:03 |
SynQ | patspam: to make you feel better.... | 03:03 |
SynQ | dev.anxietyonline.org.au takes me 7.34 to load | 03:03 |
SynQ | front page | 03:04 |
+patspam | 3.5 seconds for me, with a hard refresh | 03:04 |
Mech422Home | grr.. Iceweasel is being a pill - it seems yslow and lori don't display in the bottom any more.. | 03:04 |
Mech422Home | I think liveheaders or webdev swallows lori doesn't it ? | 03:05 |
Mech422Home | lemme see if its buried under one of hem | 03:05 |
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wgGuest89 | jbhjhj | 12:49 |
wgGuest89 | morning | 12:49 |
wgGuest89 | no specific question.. was wondering if a chat functionality is present in WegBUI cms | 12:50 |
@preaction | what kind of chat? there's a shoutbox available in the bazaar i believe | 12:53 |
wgGuest89 | ok, I'll check. Thanks! | 12:54 |
@preaction | wgGuest89: if you can't find it, come back tomorrow and i'll have fixed it up and added it. it's been on my to-do list for a very long time | 12:59 |
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juan | upgrading webgui from 7.5.40 to 7.6.11, i had some errors | 16:18 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m272fdb9b | 16:18 |
juan | for example the first error duplicate column url, i try to fix it | 16:19 |
juan | i deleted this field for the table and then i try to run the upgrade again and appears the second error | 16:20 |
juan | i don't know if is the best way to fix them | 16:20 |
ckotil | The dev's are going to tell you to back out of the upgrade | 16:22 |
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carogray | panicking about server upgrade next wednesday | 17:22 |
carogray | What does this mean? | 17:22 |
carogray | The Web Services Client is no longer part of the official distribution of WebGUI, but is still available to be maintained by third-parties. However, if you don't want to use Web Services Client any longer, make sure you delete all Web Services Clients from your site prior to the upgrade *and* purge them from your trash. Then the upgrade will automatically uninstall the Web Services Client from your site. | 17:22 |
carogray | what is the "Web Services Client"? | 17:22 |
@Haarg | it's an asset | 17:25 |
@Haarg | used for interacting with SOAP servers | 17:25 |
@Haarg | there were a number of problems with its functions and implementation | 17:26 |
@rizen | and it didn't really comply with our user interface specifications | 17:28 |
@rizen | we want all assets in webgui to be usable by normal users | 17:28 |
carogray | so from your answer I can assume that we at MLRI and our program sites don't need to worry our little brains with it? we are not using any are we? | 17:33 |
@rizen | i doubt very much that you would have ever used it | 17:33 |
@rizen | except maybe to see what it was | 17:33 |
@rizen | hardly anybody was using it (less than 1% of our user base) | 17:33 |
carogray | we use a Google search that wouldn't be what you are talking about would it? | 17:33 |
@rizen | nope | 17:33 |
carogray | phew! | 17:33 |
@rizen | if lots of people were using something, we certainly wouldn't get rid of it | 17:34 |
@rizen | we'd spruce it up and make it easier to use | 17:34 |
carogray | ok thanks - next question? | 17:34 |
carogray | is the only way to detect whether templates are using Head blocks either to go and look at each template or run another blinkin SQL report? | 17:35 |
@rizen | yep, you'd have to run an sql report | 17:36 |
carogray | ugh - that's what I was afraid of. if they head blocks are merged with Extra head tags and there is stuff in the head blocks - will they just be in the Extra head tags after the upgrade or would I need to copy stuff from Head blocks to Extra Head tags? | 17:37 |
@rizen | the upgrade will move it for you | 17:38 |
carogray | HOORAY! so I don't have to go and look at every template ! and if it's in the extra head tags it should work anyway right? | 17:38 |
@rizen | select url,extraHeadTags from assetData left join asset using (assetId) where extraHeadTags<>''; | 17:39 |
@rizen | if you want to use an sql report to look in advance | 17:39 |
@rizen | that's the query | 17:39 |
@rizen | in general it should *just work* | 17:40 |
@rizen | we tell you about the change for 2 reasons | 17:40 |
carogray | thanks - really, but if the stuff is just moved to Extra Head tags and it should work then...I might just try the query for "kicks" - literally | 17:40 |
@rizen | 1) if something doesn't work, then you know where to look | 17:40 |
@rizen | 2) next time you edit the template, you don't freak out and go "where's my head block field!!!!?!?!???!!!" | 17:40 |
carogray | so I should try to run the query and then check after upgrade to see...ok thanks | 17:40 |
carogray | can I ask who you are Rizen? | 17:41 |
carogray | may I rather? | 17:41 |
@rizen | rizen = JT@PB | 17:41 |
carogray | I thought so. Funny how your tone can even come through in this medium..:) | 17:41 |
carogray | One last question.. | 17:41 |
carogray | if my templates for the tell a friend thing work on the demo should they not work after our upgrade? | 17:42 |
+bartjol | most people here rizen is another word for god | 17:42 |
@rizen | i hope my tone isn't offensive to you. =) | 17:42 |
+bartjol | an angry, vengeful god that is ;) | 17:42 |
+bartjol | no he's nice | 17:43 |
carogray | not to me!!! I am ever so grateful ALWAYS for the patience and tolerance and willingness to teach you have shown me over the last 4 years | 17:43 |
carogray | and to bartjol to and the two Perldreamer and Perlmonkey and preaction too | 17:43 |
carogray | but I have only made their acquaintance recentlly | 17:44 |
@rizen | yeah, tell a friend should work the same before and after | 17:44 |
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carogray | anyhow I have to run off to an appt | 17:44 |
@rizen | the example of tell a friend is built right into webgui demo | 17:44 |
@rizen | so it better work | 17:44 |
@rizen | =) | 17:44 |
carogray | uh - I noticed that - but my template I made it pretty with special fields that are blue and bluer... a la BBC.co.uk | 17:45 |
carogray | will that be lost? | 17:45 |
carogray | gotta go - will check back when I return | 17:45 |
+bartjol | hey rizen, I was thinking on my language stuff, I'd just might wanna set a scratch variable in the setting for another language than the user of the session | 17:46 |
+bartjol | would that be something acceptable | 17:46 |
+bartjol | it feels a bit dirty | 17:46 |
@rizen | don't think that will be a problem carogray | 17:46 |
@rizen | bartjol: tell me the problem you're trying to solve and we can work together on a solution | 17:46 |
+bartjol | well | 17:47 |
+bartjol | I'm thinking bilangual | 17:47 |
+perlDreamer | i18n typo fixed, bartjol. Sorry for the wait. | 17:47 |
+bartjol | so when a user (let's say the visitor user) wants to change language, he presses a button (which activates a content handler prolly) | 17:47 |
+bartjol | and huray! | 17:48 |
+bartjol | so you need only 1 template | 17:48 |
+bartjol | for 1 page | 17:48 |
+bartjol | but can see it in different languages | 17:49 |
+bartjol | I'm not talking content | 17:49 |
@rizen | so the problem is that you want to build a multi lingual site where the users aren't logged in | 17:49 |
+bartjol | yeah | 17:49 |
@rizen | so that you can interactively change languages on the fly | 17:49 |
+bartjol | and the language is coupled to the user object | 17:49 |
+bartjol | you can change it, but only through the profileField method | 17:50 |
+bartjol | so then you set the profile field in the profile | 17:50 |
@rizen | seems like a scratch variable is the way to go, but it should be built into the api, not some undocumented willy nilly scratch variable off in nevernever land | 17:50 |
+bartjol | nono | 17:50 |
+bartjol | but I'll have to change quit some stuff | 17:51 |
+bartjol | I thik | 17:51 |
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@rizen | it should only need to be changed in 2 methods in the WebGUI::International module | 17:52 |
@rizen | and then you'd be done | 17:52 |
+bartjol | because everywhere there is "$user->profileField("language"); you have to make an || statment with $session->getScratch("language"); | 17:52 |
@rizen | it looks at session->user->profileField("language") | 17:52 |
@rizen | so you just add a check for the scratch variable first | 17:52 |
+bartjol | like something I described above, but th\en in correct perl | 17:53 |
@rizen | yeah but it's all in WebGUI::International | 17:53 |
@rizen | it's not EVERYWHERE? | 17:53 |
@rizen | hehe | 17:53 |
+bartjol | no? | 17:53 |
@rizen | just one module | 17:53 |
@rizen | and you're done | 17:53 |
+bartjol | ok, that's a relieve | 17:53 |
+bartjol | 3 or 4 other places too I see | 17:55 |
+bartjol | but that's ok | 17:55 |
@rizen | where/ | 17:56 |
@rizen | it should only be in one place | 17:56 |
@rizen | also you should create a getLanguage() method in WebGUI::International | 17:56 |
@rizen | which does this check | 17:56 |
@rizen | and then make that called everywhere | 17:56 |
+bartjol | bart@bart/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI> grep -R language . |grep profileField | 17:56 |
+bartjol | ./Asset/RichEdit.pm: my $language = $i18n->getLanguage($self->session->user->profileField("language"),"languageAbbreviation"); | 17:56 |
+bartjol | ./International.pm: $language = $language || $self->{_language} || $self->session->user->profileField("language") || "English"; | 17:56 |
+bartjol | ./International.pm: $language ||= $session->user->profileField('language'); | 17:56 |
+bartjol | ./Session/Icon.pm: $url .= WebGUI::International->new($self->session,'Icon')->getLanguage($self->session->user->profileField("language"),"toolbar"); | 17:56 |
+bartjol | ./Session/DateTime.pm: my $language = $i18n->getLanguage($self->session->user->profileField('language')); | 17:56 |
+bartjol | ./User.pm: $languagePreference = $u->profileField("language",1); | 17:56 |
+bartjol | ./DateTime.pm: my $language = $i18n->getLanguage($session->user->profileField('language')); | 17:56 |
+bartjol | too much info, sorry | 17:56 |
+bartjol | richedit | 17:57 |
SynQ | hmm | 17:57 |
+bartjol | Icon | 17:57 |
SynQ | hi there | 17:57 |
+bartjol | DFatTime | 17:57 |
SynQ | pastebin is your friend :P | 17:57 |
+bartjol | morning | 17:57 |
+bartjol | I know | 17:57 |
+bartjol | that's why I make an excuse | 17:57 |
SynQ | bart, have you seen demo.webgui.nl ? | 17:57 |
+bartjol | apoligize | 17:57 |
SynQ | I think we are going to have to remove the 'invite a friend' link from there | 17:58 |
SynQ | from the demo content that is | 17:58 |
+bartjol | better: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m10001ec7 | 17:58 |
+bartjol | no | 17:58 |
+bartjol | oh | 17:58 |
+bartjol | ah, you mean if you make a demo | 17:59 |
+bartjol | it's in the prefab content? | 17:59 |
SynQ | indeed | 18:00 |
+bartjol | but rizen, I'm not sure whether those other stuff also get i18n messages, prolly they do | 18:00 |
+bartjol | well, I won't stop you :) | 18:00 |
SynQ | rizen: did you know that if you use demo.webgui.org from australia or europe it can be dead slow? | 18:01 |
@rizen | SynQ: got wre to build cleanly | 18:01 |
SynQ | WHOA! | 18:01 |
SynQ | what was the curlpit? | 18:01 |
@rizen | spent most of the night working through all the niggly bits | 18:01 |
@rizen | it was quite a few things actually | 18:01 |
@rizen | but the main thing is that apache doesn't like libiconv | 18:01 |
SynQ | tel me about it | 18:01 |
@rizen | for some reason | 18:01 |
+bartjol | cool stuff! on freebsd and mac? | 18:01 |
@rizen | just on mac | 18:02 |
SynQ | was it indeed not to do with ssl? | 18:02 |
@rizen | right, no ssl problems | 18:02 |
SynQ | ok | 18:02 |
SynQ | confusing error then | 18:02 |
@rizen | yeah | 18:02 |
SynQ | is it all in svn/ | 18:02 |
SynQ | now? | 18:02 |
@rizen | it's probably something to do with libiconv and openssl not interacting nicely | 18:02 |
@rizen | or something | 18:02 |
@rizen | so it probably is to do with openssl | 18:03 |
SynQ | and did you use mysql 5.1.32 or 5.1.31 ? | 18:03 |
@rizen | just not directly | 18:03 |
@rizen | i did 31 | 18:03 |
SynQ | you should use .32 | 18:03 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9750 /WebGUI/t/Storage.t: Remove debugging code. | 18:03 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9751 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the Post user defined variables. | 18:03 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9752 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting i18n fix | 18:03 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9753 /wrebuild/build.sh: fixed some build problems on mac | 18:03 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r9754 /wrebuild/build.sh: getting rid of old cruft | 18:03 |
SynQ | there is an annoying bug in .31 that does strict mode on 'null' fields even when not in strict mode | 18:03 |
SynQ | which can potentially break a lot of things that are not being tested right now | 18:04 |
@rizen | i understand that synq | 18:04 |
@rizen | but at 1am | 18:04 |
SynQ | ah | 18:04 |
@rizen | i didn't care about that | 18:04 |
@rizen | i cared about getting apache to build | 18:04 |
SynQ | I understand | 18:04 |
SynQ | you are a hero after all | 18:04 |
SynQ | I prefer the word hero to the word god you know | 18:04 |
SynQ | since hero is a brand of softdrinks here in the Netherlands :P | 18:05 |
@rizen | anyway no i didn't know that demo would be slow internationally, but it makes sense | 18:05 |
@rizen | especially to oz | 18:05 |
SynQ | perhaps the values are still in the pastebin | 18:05 |
SynQ | but to give you a figure | 18:05 |
SynQ | in oz it takes 14 seconds to load a page in admin mode | 18:05 |
SynQ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3f2106a1 | 18:06 |
SynQ | there it is | 18:06 |
SynQ | and from here it can easily add more then one second to the page load-time | 18:06 |
SynQ | the 10+ second values are patspams | 18:07 |
SynQ | the 2- second values are mine | 18:07 |
@rizen | even for me at my office demo can take almost 10 seconds to load the page going from normal user to admin mode for the first time | 18:07 |
@rizen | that's cuz nothing is cached | 18:07 |
@rizen | and it's downloading a lot of crap | 18:07 |
@rizen | and we have a small pipe at our office | 18:07 |
SynQ | that sucks | 18:07 |
@rizen | after the first load though | 18:08 |
@rizen | if i switch it on and off | 18:08 |
@rizen | about 1 second | 18:08 |
SynQ | ok | 18:08 |
SynQ | like my values | 18:08 |
SynQ | if you compare demo.webgui.org to demo.webgui.nl which one feels faster? | 18:08 |
SynQ | demo.webgui.nl is running on the new WRE | 18:09 |
SynQ | with /data/domains/demo in ramdisk | 18:09 |
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SynQ | and database tmpdir also in ramdisk | 18:09 |
@rizen | the .nl one is definitely faster | 18:09 |
SynQ | wow | 18:09 |
SynQ | that is an amazing result | 18:09 |
@rizen | well you're running in ramdisk | 18:10 |
@rizen | that should be a hell of a lot faster | 18:10 |
SynQ | but still | 18:10 |
SynQ | going across the ocean helps to add a lot of time | 18:10 |
@rizen | true | 18:10 |
@rizen | but disk access is truly slow | 18:10 |
SynQ | I agree | 18:10 |
@rizen | especially since our demo server is probably far more loaded down than yours | 18:10 |
+bartjol | 8 hours or so, without waiting time on the airport | 18:10 |
SynQ | probably yes | 18:11 |
SynQ | have you ever considered creating multiple 'default content' for demo's? | 18:11 |
@rizen | we have 541 demos running right now | 18:11 |
SynQ | so you can demo WebGUI in particular roles? | 18:11 |
@rizen | plus there are about 20 other non-critical sites running on that box | 18:11 |
SynQ | hmm | 18:11 |
@rizen | SynQ: not really. mainly because it's enough work just keeping one set of content up to date | 18:12 |
SynQ | 541 demos are being actively used? | 18:12 |
@rizen | keep in mind we do 2 releases per week | 18:12 |
@rizen | yes, we only let them last 24 hours | 18:12 |
@rizen | so those are all created in the past 24 hours | 18:12 |
SynQ | I mean are people actually putting requests to that all the time/ | 18:13 |
@rizen | oh no i'm sure it's only about 10% of that | 18:13 |
SynQ | ah ok | 18:13 |
SynQ | still 54 though | 18:13 |
@rizen | that's actually fairly low | 18:13 |
@rizen | cuz it's a friday | 18:13 |
SynQ | did I show you http://www.loopsetshop.com before? | 18:13 |
@rizen | the day after the release we usually have in the 1000 range | 18:14 |
@rizen | yup | 18:14 |
SynQ | rizen: if you want I can keep demo.webgui.nl up to date and you could redirect european visitors to that demo site | 18:14 |
@rizen | if you don't mind, then i'll update webgui.org now | 18:15 |
SynQ | huh | 18:15 |
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SynQ | update webgui.org with what? | 18:15 |
@rizen | if you don't mind keeping it up permanently | 18:15 |
SynQ | oh ok | 18:15 |
@rizen | i'll update webgui.org so to let me people know about it | 18:15 |
SynQ | well | 18:15 |
SynQ | perhaps you should wait until we release WRE 1.0 | 18:15 |
@rizen | ok | 18:15 |
SynQ | or 0.9 whatever comes first | 18:15 |
@rizen | you'll have to remind me | 18:16 |
@rizen | cuz i'll forget | 18:16 |
SynQ | I most certainly will | 18:16 |
@rizen | but yeah, i'd be happy to give people another closer resource for demos | 18:16 |
SynQ | and I'll get in touch with patspam to maintain a .au based demo too | 18:16 |
+bartjol | Koen can good drammen | 18:16 |
@rizen | yeah, that would be good too | 18:16 |
SynQ | bartjol: watch it | 18:16 |
@rizen | the thing is | 18:16 |
@rizen | you really have to keep them up to date | 18:17 |
SynQ | I know | 18:17 |
juan | upgrading from 7.5.40 to 7.6.11 i had some errors | 18:17 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m272fdb9b | 18:17 |
@rizen | like i said we put out two releases per week...are you planing on also setting up beta versions? | 18:17 |
SynQ | but as you may recall, it was I who posted bugreports for out of date demo systems in the past | 18:17 |
SynQ | if you'd like | 18:17 |
SynQ | I would | 18:17 |
@rizen | that would be awesome | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | If y'all want, I can pester you about upgrading when WRE 1.0 is released | 18:18 |
@rizen | upgrading what pd? | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | you both said that you'd forget to upgrade the your sites when WRE 1.0 comes out | 18:18 |
+perlDreamer | or rather, upgrading webgui.org about the demo site locations | 18:19 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: do pester us | 18:19 |
SynQ | I love it when you do that | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | oh, the burdens I carry | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | test writer | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | chief CEO nagger | 18:19 |
SynQ | hehe | 18:19 |
@rizen | worldwide demos will also make the community look much larger | 18:20 |
@rizen | which is good for everybody | 18:20 |
SynQ | it will show the true size of the community you mean | 18:20 |
@rizen | right | 18:20 |
@rizen | you are better with words than i SynQ | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | from that Dvorak article yesterday, it seems that we have to be careful not to look like one of those 1-hit wonders | 18:21 |
deafferret | wink wink nudge nudge | 18:21 |
SynQ | and I am not even a native garbled crap speaker | 18:21 |
@rizen | deafferret: what are you winking? | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | "The current scene is watered down by too many small companies that cannot get any attention except amongst a small cadre of users" | 18:21 |
deafferret | rizen: I just love spin | 18:21 |
@rizen | it's not spin | 18:22 |
deafferret | life is spin | 18:22 |
@rizen | we have users on every continent but antarctica | 18:22 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: where are you reading that? | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2340029,00.asp | 18:22 |
@rizen | i have an interview with him in 1.5 hours | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | just remember, it's spelled perlDreamer. 3 e's, 1 a | 18:23 |
SynQ | I think I agree on that line perlDreamer | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | that's 1 big place where WebGUI stands out | 18:25 |
@rizen | i'm actually kind of nervous to talk to him | 18:25 |
@rizen | cuz i'm a big fan | 18:25 |
@rizen | i love how cranky he is | 18:25 |
SynQ | there are only 5 or so small companies in .nl who are using webgui | 18:25 |
@rizen | there are 5 companies developing on webgui you mean | 18:26 |
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@rizen | synq | 18:26 |
SynQ | who's total turnover is nothing compared with some other systems | 18:26 |
@rizen | there are thousands of orgs using webgui in nl | 18:26 |
SynQ | thousands? | 18:26 |
@rizen | AlphaMega Hosting alone has more than 14,000 webgui installations | 18:26 |
SynQ | right | 18:26 |
SynQ | but that is not webgui | 18:27 |
SynQ | that is swiftysite | 18:27 |
@rizen | and you're probably hosting 100 or so | 18:27 |
SynQ | rizen: about 100 yes | 18:27 |
@rizen | so that's more than 5 | 18:27 |
@rizen | that's what i'm saying | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | swiftysite-webgui == a loose pile of code | 18:27 |
SynQ | but only 4 or 5 actively used | 18:27 |
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@rizen | how many government sites are united knowledge doing? | 18:28 |
@rizen | none of those are actively used? | 18:28 |
SynQ | If you add the turnover of Oqapi, ProcoliX, UK | 18:28 |
@rizen | how many sites has oqapi built, none of those are actively used? | 18:28 |
SynQ | then you won't supersede 1 million euro a year | 18:28 |
@rizen | i'm not saying that it's huge | 18:28 |
SynQ | I'm not saying what we have achieved so far is not impressive | 18:28 |
@rizen | i'm just saying it's more than you're letting on | 18:28 |
SynQ | but if you compare that to the turnover made by for example Smartsite | 18:29 |
SynQ | or MMBase | 18:29 |
SynQ | it's peanuts | 18:29 |
SynQ | while webgui is so much better then those two systems combined | 18:29 |
+perlDreamer | so how do we go from peanuts to turnovers? | 18:29 |
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@rizen | could they be apple turnovers? | 18:29 |
+perlDreamer | definitely | 18:29 |
@rizen | excellent | 18:29 |
@rizen | then i'm in | 18:29 |
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@rizen | so you're saying that PB is bigger in revenue than ProcoliX, Oqapi, and UK combined? | 18:30 |
SynQ | definately | 18:30 |
@rizen | i would have never guessed that | 18:30 |
SynQ | in dollars at least | 18:31 |
+bartjol | that's webgui revenue alone? | 18:31 |
SynQ | no way | 18:31 |
@rizen | well yeah, relative to our local economies | 18:31 |
SynQ | that's all revenue combined | 18:31 |
+bartjol | ok | 18:31 |
+bartjol | dunno | 18:31 |
SynQ | unless UK has made a huge step forward the last few years | 18:31 |
SynQ | but I couldn't know that | 18:32 |
@rizen | we've been growing our revenue by at least 100% year over year for the past 5 years | 18:32 |
@rizen | 4.5 years ago there was just me on staff | 18:32 |
@rizen | now there are 17 full timers | 18:32 |
SynQ | I know | 18:32 |
SynQ | reyoice webgui.nl has 15 registred users! | 18:33 |
SynQ | :P | 18:33 |
@rizen | well how do we grow it synq? | 18:33 |
@rizen | pointing people to a .nl demo server would probably be a great start | 18:33 |
Trex | Hey folks. I was wondering if I could pop in and ask a question about the various tables related to assets. Sorry to interrupt your business discussion. :) | 18:33 |
@rizen | then at least they'll knw | 18:34 |
@rizen | np Trex | 18:34 |
@rizen | go ahead | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | Trex, each asset has at least 3 tables | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | asset, assetData, assetKeyword, and then any local tables | 18:34 |
SynQ | rizen: I think the most important thing of all is called WebGUI Lite | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | to avoid insanity, always use the API to update tables | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | $asset->update() and $asset->get() | 18:34 |
Trex | My main question is about the assetIndex table -- what does the revisionDate in that table refer to? | 18:35 |
Trex | It looks like it should be the most recent approved version of an asset. | 18:35 |
SynQ | WebGUI on booze if you wish | 18:35 |
@rizen | it refers to the revisionDate in the assetData table | 18:35 |
@rizen | which is the version number | 18:35 |
Trex | But I wanted to check to see if that's how it should always behave. | 18:35 |
@rizen | of that piece of content | 18:35 |
SynQ | WebGUI that doesn't have 100 features but just 10 | 18:35 |
SynQ | and does a great job at that | 18:35 |
@rizen | SynQ: i'm working to get there, unfortunately it's a lot more work than i thought it would be | 18:35 |
@rizen | in order to make webgui lite profitable, i need a fully automated hosting system | 18:36 |
SynQ | a WebGUI that is better in something specific then any other system available on the market | 18:36 |
SynQ | I know | 18:36 |
SynQ | and I agree | 18:36 |
@rizen | automat is 50% of the way there | 18:36 |
Trex | Should each asset have only one entry in the assetIndex table? | 18:36 |
@rizen | just need to get the credit card stuff integrated, which i hope to have done this summer | 18:36 |
@rizen | Trex: yes | 18:36 |
+bartjol | I think each revision has 1 entry | 18:36 |
SynQ | rizen: just ask Oqapi to do the creditcard stuff | 18:36 |
+bartjol | I'm wrong | 18:36 |
@rizen | SynQ: oqapi doesn't have the imt | 18:37 |
@rizen | time | 18:37 |
+bartjol | I'm talking another table | 18:37 |
@rizen | besides, i've already spent all my R&D budget for the first six months of the year | 18:37 |
SynQ | ah | 18:37 |
SynQ | I still have some spare R&D budget | 18:37 |
Trex | What I'm trying to do is run a query that pulls out data from the assetData table for the most recent version of a series of assets, but without having to run a subquery with max(revisionDate) and the complications that creates... | 18:38 |
Trex | So if I join to the assetIndex table, can I use the revisionDate field to get the date of the most recent approved version of the asset, which seems more straight forward than a subquery. | 18:39 |
+bartjol | yes | 18:42 |
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Trex | bartjol: yes to everything I've said so far? | 18:43 |
+bartjol | to the last statement where tour name was in front of it | 18:43 |
Trex | OK. Thanks. | 18:43 |
+bartjol | de second last seesm ro comply with that | 18:43 |
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Trex | Is the purpose of the assetIndex table (at least in part) to help get around the complexities of the versioning system? | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's for searching | 18:44 |
Trex | Ah...but it seems to have similar needs, like only returning results from the most recent approved version of assets...? | 18:45 |
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+perlDreamer | assetIndex is like having a locatedb for assets and files. | 18:46 |
+bartjol | it's time | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | the things may be under version control, but only the latest versions are immediately of interest | 18:46 |
Trex | Thanks folks. This really helps. | 18:52 |
Trex | You may return to your plotting to take over the (CMS) world. | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | when you get your app done, can you come back and show it to us? | 18:54 |
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Trex | Sure. If this works, I'll post something to the wiki. It's nothing special -- just using a MySQL report to pull out recent forum posts -- but I'm hoping it will be a cleaner solution than the ones I've found that rely on variations that use a max(revisionDate) subquery. | 18:59 |
Trex | It should be useful for a host of other similar tasks. | 19:00 |
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@preaction | Trex: you need to use the max(revisionDate) subquery, or some variation thereof. there's no working around the versioning system currently | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | but preaction, for getting most recent posts, where the posts probably autocommit? | 19:02 |
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Trex | preaction: if the revisionDate field in the assetIndex table holds the date of the most recent approved version of an asset, doesn't the assetIndex table essentially give you the max(revisionDate) for each asset out there? | 19:04 |
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@preaction | there's a revisionDate field in the assetIndex table? i wasn't aware, but probably | 19:04 |
Trex | We're running 7.5.38, on the WRE, and there is a revisionDate in the assetIndex table. I'm hoping it's still there in 7.6! | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | it is | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | and still in 7.7, so far | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | Trex, it's probably worth writing some tests for the search subsystem just to double check. | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | It'll also give you some controlled data for testing (and benchmarking) your queries | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | it would suck to do the join and find out that it was slower than the subquery | 19:07 |
Trex | I don't have experience with measuring query efficiency other than when a query is slow enough for me to notice...so if it gets to the point where I'd want to run tests to compare, I may come back for your assistance. | 19:11 |
Trex | But in general, it seems that running a max(revisionDate) on the whole assetData table, which would be calculating the max on all assets (even ones you're not interested in) would be a lot of extra calculations...whereas joining a short list of assets to the more limited assetIndex table would be more efficient. | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | Trex, I agree, but with perl (and WebGUI), the obvious is not always the fastest. | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | Make you a deal, if you're interestd, I can show you how to use Devel::NYTProf to really benchmark it | 19:14 |
@preaction | the subquery restricts by assetId, which is indexed and very fast to search. if you want to profile mysql though, NYTProf may not be the best solution (since it's also profiling Perl) | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | but for that, you'll definitely want to write some tests | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, have you use the DBI profiling tools? | 19:15 |
@preaction | nope | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | me neither | 19:15 |
Trex | Thanks, perlDreamer. I may not have anything to test today, but if I do, I'll return and see if you're on...or any other interested folks who may be around. | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | You can almost always find devs who are willing to answer questions in here | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | between Europe and Australia, we have most time zones covered | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | oh, and the US | 19:17 |
@preaction | that's US | 19:17 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9755 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): keyword tag cloud for StoryArchive, with tests | 19:49 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Anyone have any idea why on Cent5.2 selinux would be complaining about httpd trying to access /etc/shadow? I'm not using the WRE, and wonder if this is a some prefork behavior. | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | because selinux is a royal pain in the butt | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | that's why | 20:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | why would httpd need to look at /etc/shadow? | 20:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | I mean normally I just authorize whatever selinux is complaining about, but /etc/shadow is kind of a sensitive file. | 20:37 |
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Trex | Another quick question -- I seem to recall that you can switch the template applied to an asset via parameters passed via the URL, but I haven't been able to relocate that information. Did I dream this was possible? | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's true | 20:44 |
Trex | Could you please give me the syntax...or a page where it's explained? | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | I'm not sure I remember where it is myself... | 20:45 |
Trex | I tried a number of searches of the website and skimmed the books I've got, but without success. | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | it's not everywhere... | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | but you can do it for the Article | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | the form var is overrideTemplateId | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | and you can do it for a style, but it may take two page fetches | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | ?op=style;func=setPersonalStyle;personalStyleId=styleTemplateId | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | that sets a scratch variable to override the style | 20:49 |
@preaction | when were these things added? | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | they're very old, preaction | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | back from the days of CVS | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | that's one thing I'm really looking forward to in git, the chance to unify the entire history of WebGUI into 1 place | 20:52 |
Trex | Only for style templates? You couldn't, for example, use it within an assetProxy call to modify the template applied to the asset you are proxying? | 20:53 |
@preaction | no, you can't pass url params in assetproxy. you want a shortcut | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | then, if you're tied to the assetProxy, you could assetProxy the shortcut in | 20:53 |
Trex | OK, thanks again. That eliminates one tangent I could spend a lot of time on. | 21:00 |
Trex | Will return later if I have anything fascinating to report. | 21:01 |
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@preaction | new perl people working on webgui is nice | 21:01 |
* perlDreamer tries not to feel old | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | ... and fails | 21:13 |
SDuensin | Not entirely sure, but I think Satan designed CSS. | 21:14 |
@preaction | SDuensin: i beg to differ. CSS is awesome. the implementations suck | 21:18 |
SDuensin | The entire HTML/CSS thing is a disaster. | 21:19 |
SDuensin | HTML was never intended for presentation. Should have stopped right there and come up with some kind of decent display language. | 21:20 |
@preaction | that's what CSS is | 21:21 |
SDuensin | Yea, but it's bolted right on top HTML. | 21:21 |
SDuensin | It's like building boats out of rocks and then gluing balloons to it because they're pretty and make it float. | 21:22 |
@preaction | i'm still not seeing the problem | 21:23 |
@preaction | but then i'm used to CSS | 21:23 |
SDuensin | CSS is better, but HTML is still the base. It wasn't intended to determine how content was displayed. Originally, that was to be up to the browser. We've just continued to abuse it. | 21:25 |
@preaction | are you using a Strict doctype? if not, then you're perpetuating the problem | 21:25 |
SDuensin | I'm strict. | 21:26 |
SDuensin | Right now, I've got it rendering what/where I want, but the transparency is f'ed up. | 21:27 |
@preaction | my only problem with CSS is the theory that standards mean compliance. just because the speed limit is posted doesn't mean everyone interprets it the same way | 21:27 |
SDuensin | Yup | 21:27 |
SDuensin | Imagine writing a browser though. Egads. | 21:28 |
@preaction | i do not envy the people who have to implement the CSS standards, no | 21:28 |
* perlDreamer goes running | 21:40 |
+perlDreamer | let the food abuse begin | 21:40 |
* deafferret eats *everything* | 21:56 |
* preaction starves | 21:56 |
* SDuensin has Skittles | 21:57 |
@preaction | where did you get those? | 22:01 |
deafferret | '/win 4 | 22:01 |
* deafferret slaps deafferret | 22:01 |
SDuensin | Off my desk. | 22:01 |
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Mech422Home | Hi all - anyone know if the release is coming out today ? | 22:11 |
Mech422Home | wre .9 or 1.0 I believe (depending on 64 bit status) ? | 22:11 |
@preaction | only one person does, and bugging him will cause delays | 22:11 |
Mech422Home | preaction: heh :-) | 22:12 |
Mech422Home | preaction: I'm in no hurry - I wouldn't mind the weekend off... | 22:12 |
@Haarg | it won't be today | 22:12 |
Mech422Home | Are there any examples of creating roles/groups programmatically (like in an upgrade script) or mass importing users from other systems ? | 22:14 |
@preaction | sbin/userImport.pl does both iirc | 22:15 |
@preaction | otherwise WebGUI::Group and WebGUI::User are pretty simple | 22:15 |
Mech422Home | preaction: oh - wasnt aware of that script - thanks - I'll go RTFS :-) | 22:15 |
Mech422Home | oh! and Good Morning everyone! Happy Friday !! TGIF!! etc etc :-D | 22:16 |
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juan | upgrade from 7.5.40 to 7.6.11 had some errors | 22:30 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m272fdb9b | 22:30 |
juan | i tried to fix them, for example with the first error, i deleted the respective column in the table and then ran the upgrade again and the second error appears, is correct to fix it like i did? | 22:32 |
@Haarg | are you certain those were the first errors you had? | 22:34 |
@Haarg | that was from the first time you tried to run the upgrade? | 22:34 |
juan | yes, those were | 22:58 |
juan | yes, the first time appears the error to url column in assetHistory, so i deleted that column in that table | 22:59 |
juan | then i ran the upgrade again | 22:59 |
juan | and then appears related to the duplicate column in Folder table | 23:00 |
juan | so, i don't know, why those errors appear? | 23:04 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm back. | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | Did anybody save me some skittles? | 23:26 |
* Mech422Home hands perlDreamer a vm | 23:26 |
Mech422Home | will that do ? | 23:26 |
* perlDreamer tries it | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | very crunchy | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | what do I need a vm for? | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, my short term memory is full of Story Manager right now | 23:27 |
Mech422Home | oh - we talked about setting up a 'buildbot' for wG stuff... so I figured we might as well have a generic vm to play with | 23:27 |
Mech422Home | perhaps this weekend, I can start mucking about with that perl buildbot thingy | 23:28 |
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metanil | i've got storageid of a picture, can change the size of the picture.. for preview purpose.. (i'm am using 7.4.17-stable) | 23:40 |
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+perlDreamer | metanil, if the picture is an Image Asset, then yes | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise, no | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | you'll have to reupload a modified version of the picture | 23:45 |
metanil | hmm .. can't i convert into image asset on the fly? | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, if it was just me, I'd say sure | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | but WebGUI isn't built that way | 23:47 |
metanil | :) | 23:47 |
metanil | currently, i have got picture uploaded from user profile.. i'm sure its not stored as image asset ( is it?).. | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | it isn't | 23:48 |
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metanil | perlDreamer: so how i can make current user profile .. so that it the picture will stored as Image asset (not just simple storage)? | 23:51 |
metanil | right now its simple .. i am just doing .. $u->profileField($field->getId,$field->formProcess($u)) to process uploaded image. | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | right, so you'd need a new Form type that stores Image Assets instead of storageIds, plus an editing interface, plus a place to _put_ all the image assets somewhere in the asset tree | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | it's non-trivial programming | 23:53 |
@preaction | heh, that sounds like a project i have for a client | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | that sounds like a project I did for a client | 23:53 |
@preaction | yeah, i'm taking the project you did and moving it to another client ;) | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | it's too bad more people don't release their code | 23:54 |
metanil | why is it still not there in webgui? | 23:54 |
@preaction | because nobody's wanted to pay to put it into webgui, or nobody thought it would be useful | 23:54 |
@preaction | the new Account interface makes it possible, and that's very new | 23:54 |
* perlDreamer apologizes in advance for any problems that arise, preaction | 23:54 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: no worries, Frank wrote that thing initially, i edited it a lot, then you put it in the Account system, now i'm moving it to another site. plenty of blame to go around | 23:55 |
metanil | (i always had a weird requirements in webgui) | 23:55 |
metanil | ;) | 23:55 |
@preaction | also, more proof that old code never dies, it just rots away on the vine | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | more's the pity | 23:56 |
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@preaction | yeah, i'd prefer it died a quick death so that something more hardy can take its place | 23:56 |
@preaction | botanists would call it pruning | 23:57 |
@preaction | i would call it mercy-trashing | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like the scene at the end of the class movie, "The Fly" | 23:59 |
+perlDreamer | "hellllppp mmmmeeeee" | 23:59 |
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@preaction | does bad code know that it is bad? | 23:59 |
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elnino | I don't think so. | 00:00 |
@preaction | if bad code gets deleted and nobody watches, does it make a sound? | 00:00 |
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+perlDreamer | You've been watching I, Robot, too much | 00:00 |
@preaction | naughty code! you need a spanking! | 00:00 |
elnino | hey preaction. apparantly, last night was because it was a 64 bit machine. So I'll be recompiling wre, the funny thing was that everything seemed to have been working with the ubuntu32 distribution. It seemed to have created the db, etc, oh well. | 00:01 |
elnino | so if i"m dealing with 64 bit, will I be recompiling wre everytime? | 00:01 |
@preaction | uh... good luck. nobodys gotten a 64-bit WRE to compile yet | 00:01 |
elnino | ..everytime I upgrade? | 00:01 |
elnino | Oh great. You're kidding right? | 00:01 |
@preaction | i don't believe so | 00:01 |
@preaction | can't you get 32-bit compatibility libs from the ubuntu reps? | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | There have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code, that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul. Why is it that when some robots are left in darkness, they will seek out the light? Why is it that when robots are stored in an empty space, they will group together, | 00:04 |
elnino | well. Like i said (of maybe I didn't), the libncurses was installed. TYPICALY, the linux I use SAYS if it's 64 or 32 bit. there was no indication that these wre 64 bit libraryies. | 00:04 |
elnino | they looked to me as 32 bit. | 00:04 |
elnino | they were a different version than what I had on my debian machine | 00:04 |
elnino | would it be a problem with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH pointing the wrong place? does wre look for it somewhere different? | 00:05 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9756 /branch/adSkuProject/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): some changes | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, please be careful not to make long, laborious commit messages. They clog up the channel. | 00:15 |
@preaction | oh, the adsku project, nice | 00:16 |
daviddelikat | sorry, just cleaning up my local project... | 00:23 |
daviddelikat | can't say as I remember all the stuff I've done since I put it last... | 00:24 |
* perlDreamer is just teasing | 00:24 |
daviddelikat | i know | 00:24 |
daviddelikat | but if I didn't sy anything back you wouldnb't know if i even saw it | 00:24 |
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elnino | when I"m using another's mysql database other than wre. Adding a site via wreconsole probably won't work, right? because I'm getting the error: "Site could not be created because MySQL appears to be down. at ./wreconsole.pl line 234" | 00:42 |
elnino | and it's probably checkign wre's mysql | 00:43 |
elnino | right? | 00:43 |
elnino | or did I modify wre.conf incorrectly. | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | sounds good to me | 00:43 |
elnino | the dbuser and dbpass in the .conf file are my siteuser and sitepassword that I should be granting to the www_example_com database, right? | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | and the dsn should point to the other mysql, too | 00:49 |
elnino | yep. | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | formatting time causes regions of localized low pressure | 00:55 |
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elnino | and is wremonitor going to try to keep restarting wre's mysql? | 00:57 |
elnino | umm. wre keeps wanting to go to /data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock instead of /etc/mysql/mysql.sock. | 01:05 |
elnino | where do I change that? I did a grep, and it looks like it was compiled all over, as opposed to configured in a .conf file... | 01:05 |
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* elnino wonders if I can create link to /etc | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, there was talk about making the WRE utility scripts work with native distributions, but that work is a long way off | 01:14 |
elnino | what I wrote is wrong. forget what I wrote. | 01:14 |
* perlDreamer is fazed by elnino's Jedi mind powers | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | what, did you say something? | 01:14 |
elnino | but my /data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock doesn't work. | 01:14 |
elnino | I have no idea what I'm doing! | 01:15 |
elnino | did I say that in public? | 01:15 |
elnino | I dont' like ubuntu | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | is it really different from Debian? | 01:18 |
elnino | YES in my opinion | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | I only use Fedora, so I have no recent experience with eithe | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | r | 01:19 |
elnino | but I suppose technically it isn't. | 01:19 |
elnino | I think their related aren't they? | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | I thought Ubuntu was Debian with a nice user experience and non-free stuff like MP3 and DVD | 01:20 |
elnino | it's certainly not obvious to figure out whats installed. | 01:20 |
elnino | I'm starting over. | 01:21 |
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+perlDreamer | do you have to use the native mysql? | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol! | 01:21 |
+BartJol | yeah | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | what are you doing up so late? | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | Shouldn't you be drinking with Martin? | 01:21 |
+BartJol | it's only a quarter past midnight | 01:22 |
+BartJol | well, I have to drive a while tomorow | 01:22 |
elnino | yes.. I'm "sharing" this server with someone... and he decided taht that is what we're donig, though that wasn't the original plan. maybe that's why I'm cranky. =) | 01:22 |
+BartJol | with a passenger | 01:22 |
elnino | everything is stopped. | 01:22 |
elnino | except mysql | 01:23 |
elnino | which is working fine. | 01:23 |
+BartJol | kill -9 *? | 01:23 |
elnino | no I dont' want to kill it, wre's going to use navtive mysql | 01:24 |
+BartJol | sorry, I'm just dropping in | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | Has anyone heard from bernd in the last few days? | 01:25 |
elnino | that's ok. | 01:25 |
+BartJol | but I like bold statements | 01:25 |
elnino | lol | 01:25 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: no | 01:25 |
+BartJol | unfortunately not | 01:26 |
elnino | ok. with everything wre' related stopped. I'm just want to login to mysql to seee my databases. but it's trying to use /data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock. but according to | 01:28 |
elnino | /etc/mysql/my.cnf, it should be using /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock. why? | 01:29 |
elnino | brb | 01:29 |
elnino | ok | 01:34 |
elnino | so back to my question. why when trying to access my database locally, it is trying to use a different .sock file than is specified in the /my.cnf file? did wre modify something when it was installed? | 01:40 |
+BartJol | eeeh , sorrry I'm into the wre too much right now | 01:41 |
+BartJol | it might be specified somewhere | 01:42 |
+BartJol | dunno where exactly | 01:42 |
elnino | I greped, it's all in wre, but nothing of wre is running. | 01:42 |
elnino | I restarted the navtive mysql and it still insists on using th ewrong sock. something got over ridden somewhere. | 01:43 |
+BartJol | sorry elnino, we're not ignoring you | 01:55 |
elnino | that's ok. it's really not anything that is webgui specific. so I don't really expect an answer. | 01:56 |
+BartJol | well wre expects a certain my.cnf file | 01:58 |
+BartJol | which has a specific .sock | 01:59 |
+BartJol | but it is the right mysqld | 01:59 |
+BartJol | ? | 01:59 |
+BartJol | mine is /data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock | 02:00 |
elnino | I saw all those in the data/wre/prereqs/share/mysql/, but I didn't think me using native mysql would try to use wre's cnf files. | 02:00 |
elnino | root@media:/data/wre/sbin# whereis mysql | 02:01 |
+BartJol | maybe if yoy did setenviroment | 02:01 |
elnino | mysql: /usr/bin/mysql /etc/mysql /usr/share/mysql /usr/share/man/man1/mysql.1.gz | 02:01 |
elnino | I did... doh. | 02:01 |
elnino | grr..... Thanks!!! | 02:01 |
+BartJol | np | 02:01 |
+BartJol | which mysql :) | 02:02 |
elnino | oh... it's trying to use wre's mysql. =( Thanks again! | 02:03 |
elnino | boy, I need a slap in the face, don't I? | 02:04 |
+BartJol | no | 02:04 |
* perlDreamer recommends a batch of breakfast cookies | 02:05 |
+BartJol | sometimes you need a view from outside | 02:05 |
elnino | lol | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | i can't send you the pumpkin cinnamon role recipe until you try those | 02:05 |
+BartJol | raw fish cookies! | 02:05 |
elnino | I do. I'm leting my frustration cloud my brain. | 02:05 |
* perlDreamer takes a break. Back in 10. | 02:05 |
+BartJol | I don't, I let alcohol and drugs cloud my brain :) | 02:06 |
elnino | the "admin" of this server said "everything is working" and left me without telling me what they did top make mysql and wre "work". only to find out nothing was working. | 02:06 |
+BartJol | ah | 02:07 |
+BartJol | you have to give them a course ps aux | 02:07 |
elnino | I do!! and I can! | 02:08 |
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+BartJol | :) | 02:09 |
+BartJol | glad I came online | 02:10 |
elnino | All of you are always so helpful! (and make me laugh at the end of the day) Thank yoU! | 02:10 |
+BartJol | it really is my pleasure | 02:11 |
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+BartJol | and of other people | 02:12 |
+BartJol | just on their behalf | 02:13 |
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elnino | ok. so now that mysql is working, to recap, I've installed wre, created a site "manually" (db and conf files are in place) | 02:14 |
elnino | when I want to start wre... I have to do setenvironment.sh | 02:14 |
elnino | to do --start web and --start spectre. | 02:14 |
elnino | and then when I go to the website. | 02:15 |
+BartJol | yeah | 02:15 |
elnino | and of cource, it won't work, because I"m using the wrong mysql. | 02:15 |
elnino | so I do have to modify all of wre's my.cnf files. don't I? | 02:15 |
+BartJol | isn't it only 1? | 02:15 |
elnino | I grepped last time and found all sorts.. not really knowing which one to use. Maby I should use 'find' =) | 02:16 |
+BartJol | well | 02:17 |
+BartJol | I don't know mysql well enough, to knowe how it handles multiple daemons | 02:18 |
elnino | is this working? | 02:18 |
+BartJol | find is a working commando ;) | 02:19 |
elnino | lol | 02:19 |
elnino | who needs alcohol? | 02:19 |
+BartJol | locate uses too much cahe stuff | 02:19 |
+BartJol | always | 02:19 |
elnino | hey are in /data/wre/prereqs/share/mysql | 02:19 |
elnino | s/hey/they | 02:19 |
elnino | I was starting the chat with a / and it wouldn't print.. hence the "is this working" sorry. | 02:20 |
+BartJol | don't bother | 02:20 |
+BartJol | but accepted | 02:20 |
+BartJol | thinking now... | 02:21 |
+BartJol | sorry can yoy give a recap elnino? | 02:22 |
elnino | hmmm. prereqs/share/mysql/mysql.server defines where the my.cnf is. | 02:22 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9757 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 02:23 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Formatted duration template variable and method, with tests. | 02:23 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Start writing Story help. | 02:23 |
elnino | I have to run a setenvironment to start spectre and 'web' but then the path gets screwed up to use the locally installed mysql. | 02:23 |
+BartJol | well, there is a mention of removing aother my.cnf files in the installation manual | 02:24 |
+BartJol | not sure for what reason | 02:25 |
+BartJol | but prolly it's needed | 02:25 |
elnino | I figured it was because wre was goign to install another instance of mysql and the two would conflict... hmm. | 02:26 |
elnino | Ihave the admin book, is that the book you are refering to? | 02:26 |
+BartJol | well, search some mysql fora on running different daemons | 02:26 |
elnino | what page? or are you reading the wiki? | 02:26 |
+BartJol | or on the site | 02:26 |
+BartJol | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation | 02:28 |
+BartJol | 4. If you have a MySQL config file at /etc/my.cnf please remove or rename it so that it doesn't interfere with the WRE MySQL. | 02:28 |
+BartJol | mv /etc/my.cnf /etc/my.cnf.old | 02:28 |
elnino | yep, right. | 02:29 |
elnino | wre's already installed and /usr/bin/mysql is running. | 02:29 |
elnino | and /etc/my.cnf is being used by /usr/bin/mysql... | 02:29 |
elnino | I thin I'm past that point. | 02:30 |
elnino | I wonder if there is a way to modify setenvironment, so that mysql is looked for in one path, but the rest searches another path. OR i just may make my "admin" let me use wre's like we ORIGINALLy planned... | 02:31 |
elnino | gonig to make supper. I'm going to think more.... | 02:31 |
+BartJol | vim? | 02:31 |
+BartJol | I will be to bed | 02:32 |
elnino | vi is prefered. | 02:32 |
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+BartJol | as long it's not emacs:) | 02:32 |
elnino | ic. | 02:33 |
elnino | I meant, "if there is a way to say if you're looking for mysql, only look here, but for the rest of your binaries look here:" | 02:33 |
elnino | no emacs eek. | 02:33 |
+BartJol | sorry, bad joke | 02:33 |
+BartJol | I don't now | 02:33 |
elnino | yep, I was slow, which didn't help. | 02:33 |
+BartJol | you cab grep for it | 02:33 |
elnino | lol - I'm sure I can. | 02:34 |
+BartJol | but I've really gotta sleep | 02:34 |
elnino | I'm sure there is some scripting magic I can do... | 02:34 |
elnino | have a good night!! supper is waiting. | 02:34 |
elnino | thanks again. | 02:34 |
+BartJol | bon appetit | 02:34 |
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+perlDreamer | impostor | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | how do we know you're the _real_ SDuensin? | 02:41 |
SDuensin | Should I whine about JSON in the database? | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | that's pretty convincing | 02:42 |
SDuensin | :-) | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | Tell me about Caramel Macchiato. | 02:42 |
SDuensin | Whaa? | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | Mocha Latte, Frappucino | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | whatever that thing was you were talking about | 02:43 |
* SDuensin has black coffee here. | 02:43 |
SDuensin | OH! | 02:43 |
SDuensin | Cappuccino! | 02:43 |
SDuensin | Dude, it's SO DAMN COOL! | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's it | 02:43 |
SDuensin | I really wish I had time to mess with it. | 02:43 |
SDuensin | The crazies implemented the OOP features of Objective C in Javascript and call it Objective J. Adds a serious amount of power to JS... | 02:44 |
SDuensin | Then they used that to implement Cappuccino, which is basically Apple's Cocoa for a browser. | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | What is Cocoa? | 02:45 |
SDuensin | Cocoa is Apple's UI toolkit thingie. | 02:45 |
SDuensin | Basically, Mac developers (or suitable impostors like us) can write code like they're used to and it runs in a browser. | 02:46 |
SDuensin | No DOM issues, no weird CSS issues, no HTML nonsense. Just objects and widgets and code like God intended. | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | sounds cool | 02:46 |
SDuensin | Look at www.280slides.com - it's their first project using it. | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | and this is written in Objective J? It must be huge! | 02:49 |
+perlDreamer | it's like a piece of google docs | 02:49 |
SDuensin | But looks like a Mac app. :-) | 02:49 |
+perlDreamer | not having a Mac, I'll trust you on that | 02:49 |
SDuensin | ObjJ is a superset of JS and can be "compiled" into optimized JS for deployment. | 02:49 |
SDuensin | Or while debugging, you can run the ObjJ natively in the browser to make things simple. | 02:50 |
SDuensin | YES! | 02:58 |
SDuensin | Tonight is a monumental occasion. | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | what is it? | 02:59 |
SDuensin | After foolishly straying away from WebGUI at the end of the 5.x series, I am now 100% WEBGUI AGAIN! | 02:59 |
SDuensin | I just relaunched my last site. Goodbye, Drupal! | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | Welcome back to the fold, SDuensin. | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | even if there is JSON in db | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | and variants are hard | 03:00 |
SDuensin | WebGUI: http://www.smithton.net Drupal: http://old.smithton.net | 03:00 |
SDuensin | Notice how awful ugly one of them is. :-) | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | you live in smithton? | 03:01 |
SDuensin | Yep | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | Did you get turned off from WebGUI during the 6.x upgrade set? | 03:03 |
SDuensin | I don't remember exactly what it was, but 6.x *seemed* more trouble than it was worth. Oops. | 03:05 |
* SDuensin didn't have nearly as much online back then. Did a lot in ASP since that's what he used at work. | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | how many sites did you migrate back to WebGUI? | 03:07 |
SDuensin | Around four. While adding a number of new ones. | 03:10 |
+perlDreamer | did you custom convert these with code from Drupal, or did you do it by hand? | 03:11 |
SDuensin | Just rebuilt it from scratch. | 03:11 |
SDuensin | I considered writing something to move all the content over, but after looking at the existing content, decided it wasn't that big a loss. :-) | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | it would be interesting to see how easy it is to move content over from Drupal to WebGUI | 03:15 |
SDuensin | Drupal isn't anywhere near as advanced. Getting data out would be simple. | 03:16 |
SDuensin | I've seen people do nice things with Drupal, but I can't for the life of me figure it out. | 03:21 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9758 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Story.pm i18n/English/Asset_Story.pm): More Story template variable help | 03:33 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9759 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add the new timeUpdated variable to the template, along with i18n phrase support. | 03:33 |
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elnino | Haarg - I'm wondering if you have any ideas... you may have seen all my back and forths in this chat, but I"ll recap... | 03:57 |
elnino | I'm using mysql that is already installed on the server. | 03:57 |
elnino | but in order to start up webgui, I have to run a setenvironment to start spectre and 'web' but then the path gets screwed when trying to find the locally installed mysql. | 03:58 |
elnino | It keeps trying to use wre's .sock file. | 03:59 |
elnino | and wre's mysql | 03:59 |
SDuensin | Hi elnino | 04:00 |
elnino | Hi SDuensin! | 04:00 |
elnino | I guess welcome back is in order? | 04:00 |
elnino | drupal huh? I used joomla - hate, just hate it... ick | 04:01 |
SDuensin | I had a Joomla site, too. It's LONG GONE. | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, just how many other CMS'es have you had dalliances with? | 04:01 |
elnino | I'm trying to convert all mine. | 04:01 |
SDuensin | A lot. Most don't make it into production. | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, have you considered making the mysql in the wre to be non-executable? | 04:09 |
elnino | no. but that is really clever idea! | 04:09 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - how can I safely dump the cached data for a site programmatically? | 04:09 |
* SDuensin is reading code. | 04:09 |
+perlDreamer | dump cached data? | 04:10 |
+perlDreamer | like get rid of, or make a backup? | 04:10 |
+perlDreamer | or something else? | 04:10 |
SDuensin | Nuke it. | 04:10 |
+perlDreamer | file cache, or database cache? | 04:10 |
SDuensin | When I create a web site for a user with my new spiffy macro, I send them back to the page they came from. That page thinks they still need to create a site. | 04:10 |
+perlDreamer | that should be easier | 04:11 |
+perlDreamer | set the cache time on that page, and on all of its assets to be small or nil | 04:11 |
SDuensin | Oh. That IS easy. :-) | 04:11 |
SDuensin | Uh, where is that? | 04:13 |
+perlDreamer | On the Page, under Display | 04:13 |
+perlDreamer | and similarly with the Snippet | 04:13 |
SDuensin | In the page layout, or assets in it? | 04:13 |
+perlDreamer | both | 04:14 |
+perlDreamer | actually, let me check to make sure I'm right | 04:14 |
SDuensin | Ah, I see it in the asset. Not in the layout. | 04:14 |
SDuensin | I was able to set the two assets and one snippit to 1 second. | 04:15 |
+perlDreamer | did that fix the problem? | 04:16 |
elnino | perlDreamer that may have worked - but can't tell, but once I setenvironment wre also tries to use /data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock maybe I"ll rename that... | 04:16 |
SDuensin | Oh boy. I think I found a big problem. | 04:16 |
SDuensin | ANYBODY can edit a navigation! | 04:16 |
+perlDreamer | huh? | 04:16 |
+perlDreamer | show me a page, SD | 04:17 |
SDuensin | I'm logged on as "test" who only has rights to turn on admin. | 04:17 |
SDuensin | http://www.smithton.net | 04:17 |
+perlDreamer | and what are the Privileges on the Navigation? | 04:17 |
SDuensin | I don't see any. Logging in as me. | 04:17 |
SDuensin | Whew. Ok. Cancel panic. | 04:18 |
+perlDreamer | It may display an edit control, but that doesn't guarantee that test can edit it | 04:18 |
SDuensin | No, I could edit. I fixed it. | 04:19 |
* perlDreamer heads to dinner | 04:21 |
* SDuensin waves | 04:22 |
SDuensin | (Cache fixed it, BTW. Thanks!) | 04:22 |
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elnino | is the dbuser and dbpassword in the /data/webgui/etc/*.conf encrypted or plain text? | 04:42 |
elnino | I went with "blank" and webgui created them for me.. and so I can't tell. | 04:43 |
SDuensin | Plain | 04:43 |
elnino | that's what I thought. good. | 04:43 |
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elnino | preaction/perlDreamer - wre's mysql is WORKING! | 05:47 |
+perlDreamer | awesome! | 06:10 |
+perlDreamer | how did you do it? | 06:10 |
elnino | tell me about it... He installed "something" - not sure what yet - but after he did that, we didn't bother to try wre's mysql he wanted to just go with the locally insalled one. so after bugging you all, I deided to ignore he's wishes and tried to use wre's mysql. but I he never told me what file I needed to modify to get "his" site to use wre's mysql.. but he said it would be easy. | 06:15 |
elnino | I think what it boiled down to is that I would have needed to modify all of wre's files to use the locallay installed mysql's sock file, and I reallydidnt' want to modify the base code. and I'm not quite sure that would have worked. I actually did find wre's my.cnf and tried to define teh .sock filein there, and it made no difference. | 06:15 |
elnino | so I gave him instaructions to take down the local mysql, start up wre properly and to get HIS site working.. =) | 06:16 |
elnino | hopefully that makes sense. It would be nice if the .sock file was a bit more localized in the wre's code, I think I was "that" close. | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | that'll fix his little red wagon | 06:18 |
elnino | lol | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | If you can, try to ask SynQ next week | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | early in the morning, since he's on Europe time | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | he's quite familiar with WRE, like Haarg and rizen are | 06:18 |
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elnino | 'k - I'm goign to bed now. I didn't make much money on this 'project' grr. I'm glad I didn't have to compile anything. But I've proven that the ubunto 32-bit wre actually works on 64-bit. | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | good to know | 06:21 |
+perlDreamer | grab some sleep. Don't forget that you're sleeping for 2 now. | 06:21 |
elnino | I know.. hubby isn't too happy with me up so late. | 06:22 |
elnino | ltr | 06:22 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9760 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: POD fix about the default sort order of returned assets. | 06:29 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9761 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Search form for StoryArchive view form. | 06:29 |
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+perlDreamer | anybody awake? | 08:52 |
+perlDreamer | guess not | 08:54 |
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SynQ | morging | 12:16 |
SynQ | I see this: It would be nice if the .sock file was a bit more localized in the wre's code, I think I was "that" close. | 12:19 |
SynQ | I could define the default location of .sock in wre's my.cnf so that it would be easier to find where to change it | 12:19 |
SynQ | but that is all there is to it actually | 12:20 |
SynQ | I think a symlink from the 'system' location of the sock to the wre sock should work too | 12:20 |
SynQ | but they are all dirty hacks | 12:20 |
SynQ | you should just use IP and a port to connect to mysql | 12:20 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: any suggestions on where to buy good office furniture? | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | Sauder's Orchard Hill computer desk with hutch looks nice | 01:01 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: yung * r9774 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): changed screenshots in Matrix Listing view to popup | 13:25 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: paul * r9776 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: Documentation bug in buildArrayRefOfHashRefs | 17:06 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: have you ever looked at the Survey-Rfe branch? | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | no | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | maybe | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 18:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | uh, no | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | let me check | 18:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | no need to look | 18:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | it is just a branch to implement RFE's on the Survey. | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | I know | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | I have a checkout of it | 18:10 |
+perlDreamer | I was trying to remember in which branch I built all those tests | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | I think it was HEAD | 18:11 |
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juan | During a upgrade from 7.5.40 to 7.6, i have the next errors | 18:19 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m28a9cd80 | 18:19 |
juan | really i don't know what happened? how can i fix them? | 18:20 |
@Haarg | that should have only happened if you ran the upgrade and it failed prior to that | 18:30 |
@Haarg | was that from your first run up the upgrade? | 18:30 |
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juan | Haarg, the site was in 7.5.34, i upgrade from it to 7.5.40 without problems | 18:38 |
@Haarg | what was your exact upgrade path? including any false steps you took. | 18:38 |
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juan | i downloaded the package, then i extracted then in a temporal location, then i read the gotcha, then a put the files in the specific location, restarted apache, executed testEnvironment.pl and then the upgrade.pl | 18:42 |
juan | finally i restarted apache | 18:43 |
@Haarg | ok | 18:44 |
juan | i have upgraded some sites to 7.6 and this is the first time that i have those errors | 18:44 |
@Haarg | one case that can happen is that if you extract a newer version first, then extract an older version over it | 18:44 |
@Haarg | the upgrade script will have problems | 18:45 |
@Haarg | you might try going into the database and doing 'select * from webguiVersion' | 18:48 |
@Haarg | and putting it on pastebin | 18:48 |
juan | ok | 18:49 |
juan | give me a minute | 18:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | How do you create a single pkg merge when you have several templates you need to put into the upgrade path? | 18:49 |
@Haarg | why not have multiple packages? | 18:50 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3c2b045f | 18:53 |
@Haarg | looks like your upgrade to 7.5.40 didn't work correctly | 18:58 |
juan | actually the site is in 7.5.34 | 19:00 |
@Haarg | ok | 19:00 |
@Haarg | so if you try to upgrade to 7.5.40, then try to upgrade to 7.6.x, it fails? | 19:00 |
juan | i upgrade to 7.5.40 without problems | 19:01 |
juan | the problems are from 7.5.40 to 7.6 | 19:02 |
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@Haarg | can you try a 'describe assetHistory' on your current db? | 19:06 |
juan | yes | 19:07 |
juan | the table has 4 fields (assetId,userId,dateStamp,actionTaken) | 19:08 |
@Haarg | which is correct for that version | 19:10 |
juan | yes | 19:10 |
@Haarg | so you performed the 7.5.40 and 7.6.x upgrades as distinct steps? | 19:10 |
@Haarg | and which 7.6 version were you trying to go to? | 19:11 |
juan | 7.6.11 | 19:11 |
juan | in 7.5.40 that table could have the same estructure | 19:12 |
@Haarg | yes | 19:12 |
juan | ok | 19:12 |
juan | i am going to upgrade to 7.5.40 and then will check the database for that table before upgrading to 7.6 | 19:13 |
@Haarg | be sure to watch the upgrade process closely for errors | 19:14 |
juan | ok | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, the assetHistory thing is in there twice | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | but they're on different paths | 19:15 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9779 /translations/Russian/Russian/ (13 files): Update from translation server | 20:12 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, I needed to make two small changes to Keyword for the StoryManager. | 20:46 |
@Haarg | oh? | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | for reference rev 9780 in the StoryManager branch | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | change 1: allow number of rows per page to be set for pagination | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | change 2: add lineage to the sort when getMatchingAssets | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | #2 makes testing much easier | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | since assets are always returned in a predictable order | 20:47 |
* perlDreamer goes running | 20:47 |
@Haarg | ok, that doesn't impact the changes i have pending | 20:47 |
* perlDreamer is back, cuz his partner is late | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: phew. | 20:51 |
@Haarg | aside from the quotes -> comma change | 20:52 |
@Haarg | i'm adding a method for finding keywords | 20:52 |
@Haarg | by lineage and/or by searching | 20:52 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9780 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: | 20:54 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add a new option for getMatchingAssets to set the number of rows | 20:54 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: per page. | 20:54 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add another sort clause to make testing easier. | 20:54 |
* perlDreamer kicks himself for not understanding WebGUI version control, yet again, and goes running. | 20:56 |
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* deafferret kicks himself for running out of bacon, and eats a gallon of hummus | 21:14 |
SDuensin | Whoa! I might have the strongest WebGUI holdout I've run into so far ready to convert. :-) | 21:41 |
ckotil | nice | 21:43 |
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+perlDreamer | SDuensin, the heathen and the infidel must both be converted! | 22:45 |
SDuensin | I got him a demo site on my server and he's reading the Primer. | 22:47 |
ckotil | i know a guy who runs the chicago drupal group. ive been trying to convert him for years | 22:47 |
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+perlDreamer | bacon + hummus is good, deafferret | 23:05 |
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SynQ2 | hi there | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ2: howdy :) | 23:11 |
+MrHairgrease | hi synq | 23:11 |
elnino | Hey SynQ2 - there are two of you... | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | haarg which YAML lib do I want for wgd? | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | YAML::XS? | 23:12 |
@Haarg | yeah, that's the best one | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | thought so | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | since it's on top of the list | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | thanks | 23:12 |
@Haarg | will be nice once the next version of YAML.pm comes out | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | is there a due date for that? | 23:13 |
@Haarg | it will work similar to how JSON.pm works now, automatically chosing the perl or xs version based on what is available | 23:13 |
@Haarg | not that i know | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | shouldn't META.yml refelct the YAML requirement btw? | 23:13 |
@Haarg | probably | 23:13 |
@Haarg | although i don't think there's a good way to have alternate dependancies | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | so how does the edit function work? | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | Should WebGUI::Keyword let us pick the form variable used in the tag cloud? | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | wgd edit Template <--- make a new template | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | wgd edit assetUrl <--- edit the asset by URL | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | the changes I made don't seem to be saved to the db | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | wgd edit assetId <---- edit by id | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | pd: yeah, tried that | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | oh wait | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | it's in an autotag | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | awesome! | 23:17 |
+MrHairgrease | gotta go now | 23:17 |
@Haarg | it didn't get committed? | 23:17 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 23:17 |
@Haarg | hm | 23:17 |
@Haarg | it should use a named tag and commit it for you | 23:18 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i added a function to the keyword module to allow you to specify a callback for generating the urls on the cloud | 23:18 |
@Haarg | i should hopefully have that committed in the next day or so | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, that's perfect | 23:19 |
+cap10morgan | Why is there a delay between spectre.pl --status reporting all zeroes and workflow instances being cleared out of the database (so singletons can run again, for example)? Is that normal? | 23:20 |
* perlDreamer wonders if MrHairgrease has autocommit turned on | 23:20 |
@Haarg | yeah, i haven't tested with autocommit so that could interfere | 23:20 |
@preaction | cap10morgan: is spectre connecting to the site/ | 23:20 |
@Haarg | i should probably check that | 23:20 |
+cap10morgan | preaction: connectivity tests pass | 23:21 |
@Haarg | since i need to export pages for each keyword for my project, there are two url forms i'm using | 23:21 |
@Haarg | i figured a callback was the best way to handle that | 23:21 |
+MrHairgrease | no autocommit on this site indeed | 23:21 |
@Haarg | with autocommit off it should work properly | 23:21 |
@preaction | cap10morgan: dunno then | 23:21 |
+cap10morgan | preaction: so that's not normal behavior? | 23:22 |
@preaction | i don't know | 23:22 |
+cap10morgan | ok, gotcha | 23:22 |
+cap10morgan | hmm... | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | it will. It will request the commit, which uses the default commit method. | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | so no autocommit unless it is turned on | 23:22 |
@Haarg | i haven't tested with all the possibilitied for autocommit, but i would expect it would work with all of them | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, it is doing the right thing, but it is not autocommitting | 23:23 |
@Haarg | well | 23:23 |
@Haarg | if it shows as an autotag | 23:23 |
@Haarg | that leads me to believe it is not being named properly | 23:24 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9781 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 23:24 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Complete rework of Story autocommit. | 23:24 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Tests for status of Stories that have been autocommitted. | 23:24 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Keyword search interface with UI and tests. | 23:24 |
+cap10morgan | If I restart spectre, then they clear out pretty quickly. | 23:24 |
@Haarg | which means the version tag creation wgd does didn't work properly | 23:24 |
+MrHairgrease | haarg i'm using the bazaar version, not that on github | 23:25 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe there's a discrepancy | 23:25 |
@Haarg | possibly | 23:26 |
@Haarg | i would recommend the github version | 23:26 |
+MrHairgrease | just to prevent wild goose chases | 23:26 |
@Haarg | i should probably push out 0.3 | 23:26 |
+MrHairgrease | i'll check it out wednesday | 23:26 |
+MrHairgrease | still, a cool app | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I just tested with Commit Comments On, Multiple version tags per user, and Commit with Approval. It worked fine. | 23:27 |
@Haarg | cool | 23:27 |
+MrHairgrease | must be something at my devbox then | 23:29 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway... | 23:29 |
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@Haarg | the single version tag per user or single tag per site case is probably something that could be handled better | 23:30 |
* perlDreamer is not a big fan of the new VersionTag modes. | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | I know they're great for SwiftySite | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | but they're untested | 23:31 |
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+perlDreamer | good read: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2009/03/07/how-to-successfully-compete-with-open-source-software/ | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | "OSS concentrates on the software, not the problems the software can solve" | 23:43 |
@preaction | uh... sounds like poorly-managed software to me | 23:47 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9782 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: Fix searching by keyword via the form. | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | one of these days I'm going to remember that getLineage != get('lineage') | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | but apparently not today :( | 00:24 |
@Haarg | i haven't screwed that up before, similar ones have annoyed me | 00:25 |
@Haarg | like getUrl, or form->getName | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | but those work and do what you think they should do | 00:26 |
@Haarg | somewhat | 00:27 |
@Haarg | getUrl doesn't to ->get('url') | 00:27 |
@Haarg | and getName vs get('name') is the form type name vs the form element name attribute | 00:29 |
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+perlDreamer | no, you're right. getUrl does more than get('url') | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | and Form->getName should be something more like getFormName, so getName would to do the right thing | 00:37 |
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+perlDreamer | it would appear that the update method does not update the search index | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | that is only updated when addRevision is called | 01:16 |
@Haarg | isn't it only on commit? | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | you're right. I saw it in AssetVersioning and assumed is was addRev | 01:17 |
@Haarg | something i'm going to working on after my current project | 01:17 |
@Haarg | is modifying update to use the form api | 01:17 |
@Haarg | hopefully that doesn't break everything | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | what's the advantage in that? | 01:18 |
@Haarg | well | 01:18 |
@Haarg | currently update uses the default value from definition for when there is no value | 01:18 |
@Haarg | but sometimes that default value is meant to be consumed by the forms api | 01:19 |
@Haarg | like if it is an array | 01:19 |
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@Haarg | so in that case, it would stick a busted value in the database | 01:19 |
@Haarg | this is related the the template parser class problem that wgd edit has | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | like the thing we saw with making a template from scratch | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 01:20 |
@Haarg | also, it would make some things more sensible | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | What do you think about update calling indexContent? | 01:21 |
@Haarg | currently, there are at least two places (possibly three) that handle picking the default value for when the value isn't specified | 01:21 |
@Haarg | i think it's a bad idea | 01:22 |
@Haarg | indexing is slow | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | I'm almost positive I've seen asset code that calls update after commit | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | or addRev, which can call autocommit | 01:22 |
@Haarg | possibly, but if it doesn't reindex in that case it is the asset's fault | 01:23 |
@Haarg | addRevision never auto commits directly | 01:23 |
@Haarg | if you have a check list form element with some checked by default, it's not possible to have them all unchecked | 01:23 |
@Haarg | because even though the form control provides for that | 01:23 |
@Haarg | update sees the empty value and stuffs the default in | 01:24 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9783 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Search interface, in addition to the default view and the keywords view. | 01:43 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9784 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the Default gallery view template | 01:43 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9785 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting default gallery album view template fix. | 01:43 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9786 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: More bug docs for the template. | 01:43 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r9787 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm: | 02:40 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: The URL for the story was changing when the story was edited. The initial | 02:40 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: URL was based on the current asset, which is the Archive instead of the Folder. | 02:40 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: (Archive hands off to Folder in addChild). | 02:40 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: On following edits, no URL was passed, so one was built from the parent, which | 02:40 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: is the Folder. | 02:40 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix this by passing in the existing URL as an hidden form param. | 02:40 |
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CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9788 /translations/German/German/Asset_Search.pm: Update from translation server | 12:43 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9789 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_SQLReport.pm Asset_Thingy.pm): Update from translation server | 12:43 |
CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r9790 /translations/Dutch/ (Dutch/Account_Inbox.pm Dutch.pm): Update from translation server | 12:43 |
+BartJol | hee | 12:45 |
+BartJol | I didn't do any translations | 12:45 |
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+BartJol | preaction is there a reason that 7.6.14 isn't announced? | 13:04 |
+BartJol | Haarg: maybe you're the more appropiate person to ask that | 13:08 |
+BartJol | although prolly sleeping | 13:08 |
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+BartJol | plainhao: you're pb right, why isn't 7.6.14 announced? | 13:38 |
* plainhao has no idea, d'oh. | 13:38 |
+BartJol | oh | 13:39 |
+BartJol | well, the upgrading went smooth | 13:39 |
* plainhao is glad of that. | 13:40 |
+BartJol | well, I'll ask graham when he's awake | 13:40 |
+BartJol | thanks | 13:40 |
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+BartJol | Haarg: is there a specific reason 7.6.14 isn't announced? | 16:30 |
+BartJol | and goodmorning | 16:30 |
@Haarg | no | 16:31 |
@Haarg | i'm not sure how that got missed | 16:31 |
+BartJol | ok, just wondering, did the upgrade anyway | 16:31 |
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CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r91c7a82 / lib/WGDev/Command/Base.pm : adding API docs for WGDev::Command::Base - http://bit.ly/YaHeo | 18:39 |
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carogray | does anyone know if there is a limit to the size file we can upload to a PlainBlack server? We have a 29MB PDF that we would like to make available for people to download | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | carogray, that would be best asked on PlainBlack's support forum | 18:52 |
carogray | k - will do | 18:54 |
carogray | thanks | 18:55 |
+perlmonkey2 | At 9600 baud, you need to check the buffer 15 times a second with a 64 byte buffer? | 19:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | whusp | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: should be faster than that, even | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | 9600/64 > 15 | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | unless I'm missing a factor of 8 in the baud to bytes conversion rate | 19:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: 9600 baud is about 1000 bytes per second depending on your bit switch settings. | 19:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | parity, data lenghts and stop bit. | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | right | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | I've only ever done 7N1 | 19:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | 8N1 is what my libs default to and seemed good enough to me :P | 19:06 |
+perlmonkey2 | and by good enough, I mean, I have no idea about the pros and cons of changing them :P | 19:06 |
+perlmonkey2 | but 7N1 would be faster, so you were right. | 19:06 |
+perlmonkey2 | but the buffer is in bytes, and the 9600 is in bauds. | 19:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | wait, 7n1 would be 7 bit bytes. That would be very annoying. | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | isn't sending ASCII wonderful? | 19:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | ah, I see your point. | 19:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | I was thinking of sending floats and longs and trying to reconstitute them. | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | no, 8N1 would be better for that. Much less effort on the receiver, and well worth the 12.5% decrease in throughput | 19:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | 12.5%....well I could have lived with 12.4%, but that is just over the top :P | 19:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: just found this....prepare for your world to be rocked: http://www.pachube.com/ | 19:20 |
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+perlDreamer | This is totally, SkyNet, dude. | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | work of the devil | 19:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | :D | 19:23 |
SDuensin | Anyone want to kill one of my customers? | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | have SkyNet do it | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | it has access to your customer's location and electricity usage | 19:39 |
SDuensin | Ok, I have a question for all you perl* named people. | 19:39 |
SDuensin | I modified the Shelf Wobject to make some minor changes... | 19:40 |
SDuensin | Now I need to add the ability to sort the products it finds... | 19:41 |
SDuensin | I'm not using the Summary field of the product, so I was going to just put some numeric value in that field... | 19:41 |
SDuensin | Now how do I actually sort the $keywordBasedAssetIds before feeding them to the template? | 19:42 |
SDuensin | Er, sorting by the value in the summary field, that is. | 19:42 |
* perlDreamer recommends building a table in the template, and then using YUI DataTable in the progressive enhancement mode. | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, the assetIds are returned in order of creation date from WebGUI::Keyword | 19:43 |
+perlmonkey2 | persistance is an issue when you do it on the client side though. | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | any sorting beyond that has to be done after the fact, by hand | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, do you expect to have enough products to paginate? | 19:44 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - Crazy customer doesn't care what order they come back in. She wants them in random, yet specific, order according to some algorithm only she apparently knows. | 19:44 |
SDuensin | We paginate like mad. | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | in that case, you're stuck with manual sorting of assets, before they're passed down to the template | 19:45 |
SDuensin | Yep. I hate this woman. | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | is this the jewelry store shop? | 19:46 |
SDuensin | Yes. | 19:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | I've looked into the bowls of the paginator and it strikes fear into my heart. | 19:47 |
SDuensin | Is the summary field used in the product? Before I go stomping on it? | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | it's just available as data to the templates | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | it's included in the search index | 19:50 |
SDuensin | OK, good. | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | so you really can't stomp on it | 19:51 |
SDuensin | Oh, I bet I could. :-P | 19:52 |
* perlDreamer will not doubt SDuensin's stomping ability in the future ;) | 19:53 |
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+perlDreamer | I hate the private bug feature in the Bug tracker. | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | I'll give any PB staffer 5K karma if you fix the front page bug report to hide private bugs | 20:20 |
SDuensin | But what if a porn site finds a bug? :-P | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't have to be private | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | if it's private, then only staff can read (and therefore fix) the bug | 20:21 |
@Haarg | on this perlDreamer? http://www.webgui.org/participate | 20:21 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 20:21 |
@Haarg | should be fixed | 20:30 |
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+perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 20:32 |
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+perlDreamer | does git pull remote pull all branches from remote, or just the current one? | 20:39 |
deafferret | git is full repo on every client | 20:46 |
deafferret | so I hear. I don't use git yet | 20:46 |
@Haarg | i believe it pulls all the branches by default, but it depends on how it is configured | 20:46 |
deafferret | that's the first time I've heard that rumor. :) | 20:47 |
* deafferret files that rumor in $brain | 20:47 |
@Haarg | you don't have to have the full repo on every client, but you usually do because there's little reason not to | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | I tried just git pull remote, and it gave me a spiel about merging. | 20:49 |
@Haarg | well | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | I either need more client side config, or I just avoid a massive branch merge :) | 20:49 |
@Haarg | git pull is git fetch + git merge | 20:49 |
@Haarg | you can also tell it to do a rebase instead | 20:50 |
@Haarg | if that is more applicable | 20:50 |
@Haarg | i really need to get my it repo rebuilt tonight | 21:01 |
@Haarg | *git | 21:01 |
@Haarg | i can't use the 7.6 branch with it until i do | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | will PB's webgui repo contain all the history, all the way back to sourceforge and cvs? | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | (git repo, that is) | 21:03 |
@Haarg | yes | 21:03 |
@Haarg | and the tarballs from before it was in cvs | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | that is old | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | how did you manage that? | 21:04 |
@Haarg | http://update.webgui.org/0.x.x/ | 21:05 |
@Haarg | cvs only goes back to 3.something iirc | 21:06 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, did you manually seed the repo with the tarballs and check them in by hand? | 21:06 |
@Haarg | well, it's scripted | 21:06 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/77075 | 21:08 |
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+perlDreamer | what is qv? | 21:10 |
@Haarg | from version | 21:10 |
@Haarg | makes a version object | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | I couldn't find that in perlfunc or perlop | 21:10 |
@Haarg | so i can sort them easily | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | ah, it comes from version | 21:11 |
@Haarg | initially it was planned to be a quoting construct like q/qq/qw | 21:11 |
@Haarg | that didn't work out though | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | version objects have had a long and bumpy history | 21:13 |
@Haarg | yeah | 21:13 |
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@Haarg | i tracked down the problem with the username not showing in emailed inbox messages | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | cool! Was it in the inbox code? | 21:17 |
@Haarg | yeah, between there and the i18n message | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | double tragedy. There's leftover gravy, but no biscuits. And there's spaghetti, but no sauce. | 21:27 |
* perlDreamer is hungry, but not desperate to try to bridge that gap | 21:28 |
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