WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-04.log

--- Log opened Wed Apr 01 00:00:58 2009
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: You've just been nominated to start the javascript debugging page on the wiki	00:18
+perlmonkey2	hah	00:19
+perlmonkey2	it would be, in totality, use firebug's stepper and put in a ton of trace statements for the console.	00:20
daviddelikat	good advice	00:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: brian * r10097 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.18 release	00:25
SDuensin	perlmonkey2 - Give this one a try, too: http://www.billyreisinger.com/jash/download.html	00:26
+perlmonkey2	ah, cool, thanks SDuensin	00:30
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+perlmonkey2	very sweet	00:30
elnino	for those of you who have old servers laying around, may this be of encouragement to you (or a place to donate your machines) I thought this was cool. http://www.extremelinux.info/stonesoup/	00:36
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, you are eloquent and tactful.	00:57
@Haarg	thanks	00:58
+perlDreamer	When rizen becomes president, you'd better be Secretary of State	00:59
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@Haarg	heh	01:01
+perlmonkey2	patspam: congrats on TPBW	01:03
+patspam	perlmonkey2: thanks man	01:04
+patspam	kinda strange seeing your own face on the site every time you load it up	01:04
+perlmonkey2	heh	01:05
+patspam	http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/31/breaking-internet-explorer-81-eagle-eyes-leaked/	01:08
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10098 /translations/German/German/Asset_Event.pm: Update from translation server	01:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10099 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server	01:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10100 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10056: YUI javascripts included while adminOff (BNC)	01:09
+perlDreamer	man, seems like every time I talk about i18n in IRC that we get a bunch of commits	01:10
+perlDreamer	I'll have to do that more often :)	01:10
+perlDreamer	patspam, the Spanish translation is about to overtake Arabic	01:10
+perlDreamer	which will make the top 3 Dutch, German, and Spanish	01:10
+patspam	we need a leaders board	01:10
+perlDreamer	it would be nice to have a DataTable in there, so it can be sorted	01:11
+perlDreamer	and then some graphing to track progress over time	01:11
+perlmonkey2	we need to get the Arabic translators and the Spanish translators into a competition.	01:11
@Haarg	i need to get back on the translation project	01:11
+perlDreamer	it's no competition, perlmonkey2	01:11
+perlDreamer	the Arabic team haven't done anything in years	01:12
@Haarg	add a bit more motivation for it	01:12
+perlDreamer	how would you do that, Haarg?	01:12
@Haarg	karma	01:12
+perlmonkey2	free swag for the top advanced and most translated?	01:12
@Haarg	well, karma can get you swag	01:12
+perlDreamer	the i18n would have to be a 1st class Asset then	01:13
+perlDreamer	but...	01:13
+perlDreamer	we could also track who makes changes from here on out	01:13
+perlDreamer	which would be very nice	01:13
+perlmonkey2	bart would really love that.	01:13
+perlDreamer	especially in light of the recent Polish translation scandal	01:13
+patspam	Polish translation scandal?	01:14
+perlmonkey2	eh? another i18n scandal? What happened?	01:14
+perlmonkey2	naughty words slipped in?	01:14
+perlDreamer	well, the word on the street is that someone came in and did a bunch of bad translation work	01:14
+perlDreamer	they had to restore from SVN	01:14
@Haarg	the plan is to make i18n an asset, have it use git for storage, and have the commits record the author	01:15
+perlmonkey2	Nie b?d? pisa? naughty i18n s??w w t?umaczeniu.	01:15
+perlDreamer	which is another reason for WWN	01:15
@Haarg	if i do it correctly, it won't even need to have the modules on disk. that depends on it being fast enough of course.	01:18
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+perlDreamer	seems like doing the summary calculations across all the languages and namespaces would take a lot of memory	01:24
@Haarg	there would need to be a cache for something like that certainly	01:26
@Haarg	but i don't think it would be significantly worse to calculate than if the files were there	01:26
+perlDreamer	probably not	01:28
+perlDreamer	just the overhead of the protocol	01:28
+perlDreamer	and, wouldn't there need to be some kind of notification if github went down?	01:28
@Haarg	well, it won't be going to a remote repo directly	01:29
@Haarg	there would still be a local repo	01:29
@Haarg	it just wouldn't havea checkout	01:29
+perlDreamer	that's true	01:31
@Haarg	i was somewhat demotivated on the whole thing since i couldn't think of a good resolution to the context problem	01:34
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CIA-38	WebGUI: brian * r10101 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.18-stable: Release 7.6.18-stable	01:55
+perlDreamer	good job, bpmedley	02:03
+perlDreamer	WG releases are not an easy task	02:03
@bpmedley	Thx..	02:03
+perlDreamer	were there any test hiccups?	02:03
@bpmedley	Graham helped quite a bit..	02:03
@bpmedley	A few..	02:04
+perlDreamer	anything that I need to watch out for?	02:04
@bpmedley	I initially didn't check the 7.6.18 update in	02:04
@bpmedley	Not that I know of..	02:04
@bpmedley	Matrix upgrades take a bit of time	02:05
+perlDreamer	yeah, so does the i18n scanner	02:05
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+perlDreamer	okay, question for the group at large	02:25
+perlDreamer	at last year's WUC I did the Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes talk	02:25
+perlDreamer	this year there will not be a repeat	02:26
+perlDreamer	would people be interested in me blogging things as I find them, or should I save them for WUC 2010, in Melbourne?	02:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: brian * r10102 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.19 dev	02:30
+patspam	perlDreamer: blog em!	02:40
+patspam	we need more wg blog entries outsite of webgui.org and plainblack.com	02:40
+perlDreamer	do you blog, patspam?	02:44
+perlDreamer	of course, I'll have to come up with something new for the 2010 WUC then...	02:44
+patspam	infrequently.. at patspam.com	02:45
@preaction	WORDPRESS?	02:50
+perlDreamer	hey, it's still perl	02:50
@preaction	...	02:50
+perlDreamer	and WebGUI's blogging tools are not first rate	02:50
+perlDreamer	no trackbacks	02:50
+perlDreamer	no openId	02:50
@preaction	fine then.	02:51
+perlDreamer	bpmedley, are we cleared for 7.6.19 dev?	03:02
+perlDreamer	iow, is it safe to commit to the 7.6 branch?	03:02
@preaction	why would you ever want to commit to that branch?	03:03
@preaction	the 7.7 branch is where it's AT!	03:03
+perlDreamer	well, bug fixes and stuff	03:03
+perlDreamer	POD docs	03:03
+perlDreamer	new tests	03:03
@preaction	lame	03:03
+perlDreamer	I know, but maintenance is what I do best	03:03
@preaction	can't we just spray an industrial-sized can of RAID in that thing?	03:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10103 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: Remove a hard coded extra in SQLReport	03:05
+patspam	Parse errors: Bad plan. You planned 21 tests but ran 10637.	03:06
+perlDreamer	10637 tests. That's impressive patspam	03:07
+patspam	heh, not really but it sounds cool	03:08
+patspam	i used wgd to dump a list of survey questions, answers, and expected branch targets to a file, and then generate tests from the file	03:08
+perlDreamer	oh, well from there you should be able to calculate a plan then	03:09
+perlDreamer	which won't give you that annoying 255 return code	03:10
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10104 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: backport a fix for a hardcoded extras in SQLReport	03:36
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10105 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm: Remove hardcoded extras in Shop/Vendor.pm, also an i18n fix.	03:36
@preaction	and once again i get to hate google maps api...	03:43
@preaction	there is no non-obfuscated code to debug with	03:43
@preaction	so "this.Xa" is completely useless to me to debug...	03:43
+perlDreamer	I know what "this" is, finally!	03:49
+perlDreamer	now, if only I knew what to do with one	03:51
@preaction	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7daa4bb2 this is the code i'm working with	03:53
@preaction	no matter what, the highlighted part always uses the last marker	03:53
@preaction	so instead of "marker" in line 31 being the marker is was created with, the marker ends up being the last marker added to the map	03:54
@preaction	is this because the evaluation of the anon function is deferred?	03:54
+perlDreamer	oh!	03:57
+perlDreamer	I know this one	03:57
+perlDreamer	it's due to the way it binds variables	03:58
@preaction	http://trephine.org/t/index.php?title=JavaScript_loop_closures <- yeah, i found it too	03:58
@preaction	it doesn't get a snapshot	03:58
+perlDreamer	right, like it would in perl	03:58
+perlDreamer	it's by reference	03:58
@preaction	yeah	03:58
@preaction	but i can force a snapshot using closures	03:58
+perlDreamer	yes	03:58
@preaction	I would like to know why the yahoo event handler auatomatically fixes this	04:01
@preaction	why and/or how	04:01
@preaction	or maybe it's because I use Yahoo's ability to pass an arbitrary object in	04:06
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@preaction	does anyone have any ideas how i should make the File upload control work with an ajax-grabbed form?	04:34
@preaction	or rather, work without javascript	04:34
@preaction	since it amounts to the same thing	04:34
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+perlmonkey2	ping	05:10
@preaction	pong	05:19
+perlDreamer	pang	05:23
+perlDreamer	hm, seems like Spectre has been hung up for a while	05:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10106 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs):	06:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: fixed AdSku	06:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: added 'thanks' text after ad to cart	06:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: cleaned up i18n text	06:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: moved shop fields to shop tab	06:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: added AdSku Asset to WebGUI original config file	06:03
+perlDreamer	good work, daviddelikat	06:05
daviddelikat	seems like its ready...	06:05
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10107 /WebGUI/t/User.t: Coverage tests for various User methods.	06:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10108 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: Add POD to bring POD coverage up to 100%	06:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10109 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: POD for Keyword module to bring it to 100% coverage.	07:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10110 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Utility.pm: Fix a POD typo.	07:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10111 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Account.pm Account/Friends.pm): Fix typos in POD that prevent 100% POD coverage.	07:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10112 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Cache/FileCache.pm Content/SiteIndex.pm Form/Captcha.pm): Add POD and fix typos to get POD coverage up	07:00
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+perlDreamer	whole lot of POD'ing going on	07:17
+perlDreamer	I think I fixed over a dozen modules tonight	07:17
@preaction	nice	07:24
+perlDreamer	Haarg, bpmedley: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/running-tests	07:30
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10113 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix POD typos and add POD to get to 100% POD coverage.	07:32
+perlDreamer	preaction, you still awake?	07:38
@preaction	yessuh massa	07:38
+perlDreamer	can you look at Asset/Redirect.pm, www_edit and tell me if you can see why its subclassed?	07:38
@preaction	i can't see why, no	07:40
+perlDreamer	given the option of writing POD for a duplicate method, or pruning the method...	07:40
+perlDreamer	I'd rather prune it	07:40
@preaction	i say prune it	07:40
@preaction	so, heh, i get to fake a file upload control enough so webgui processes it automatically	07:42
@preaction	and hopefully later i can go back to rewrite the file upload control to be awesome	07:43
elnino	perlDreamer, preaction - just thowing this out there, I didn't look at the code, but I did request the ability to have a redirect return a 301 or a 302. perhaps a reason why it's subclassed? I don't know. I'm going to sleep now.	07:44
@preaction	nope. www_edit doesn't redirect	07:44
@preaction	but enjoy sleep	07:44
+perlDreamer	34 modules on the wall	07:45
+perlDreamer	34 modules on the wall	07:45
+perlDreamer	take one down	07:45
+perlDreamer	POD it around	07:46
+perlDreamer	33 modules on the wall	07:46
elnino	perlDreamer needs sleep me thinks	07:49
+perlDreamer	'tis true	07:49
+perlDreamer	okay, after Airwolf gets over I'll log off and go to bed.	07:54
+perlDreamer	I can't leave String in the middle of a mission	07:55
+perlDreamer	I'm his wingman	07:55
elnino	I used to love that show! we found it on hulu or something.. ok. I'm going.. bye!	07:55
@preaction	who's string?	07:55
@preaction	who's airwolf?	07:55
@preaction	wtf is this?	07:55
+perlDreamer	http://en.wikipedia.com/Airwolf	07:56
+perlDreamer	http://www.hulu.com/airwolf	07:56
+perlDreamer	http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Airwolf works better :)	07:57
@preaction	ooh nice, Donald Bellisario	07:57
+perlDreamer	between Knight Rider, Magnum P.I. and Airwolf he did pretty well in the 80's	07:58
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@preaction	Quantum Leap was awesome in the 90's	07:59
@preaction	and JAG and NCIS are pretty decent	07:59
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10114 /WebGUI/t/POD.t:	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add more configuration to the POD coverage test. POD_COVERAGE==2 will check against 100%	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: coverage and emit a list of modules that POD to be covered.	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10115 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Redirect.pm: Remove www_edit. It's the same as Asset's.	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10116 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm: Add missing POD to bring RichEdit up to 100% POD.	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10117 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm:	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: Remove another duplicate www_edit method.	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add missing POD.	08:00
@preaction	Did you know? Tom Selleck could have played Indian Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark?	08:06
@preaction	Did you know? WebGUI::Storage also deletes thumbnails just like WebGUI::Storage::Image does!	08:38
@preaction	but it doesn't create them! weird!!	08:38
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+Radix-wrk	http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html	09:20
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+perlmonkey2	I just read on a PHP message board that JT is starting a new project to move wG to PHP.	16:26
+BartJol	april fool	16:28
+BartJol	oh sorry: really perlmonkey2? that seems outragious!	16:30
+perlmonkey2	Ah, just saw an update. He says it would be easier to get the same effect as PHP by placing random sleep statements in the code, pulling out all the param sanitizing, and having all errors throw either the database error, the database dsn, or send back the actual database file.	16:30
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10118 /translations/Polish/Polish/ (33 files): Update from translation server	16:32
+MrHairgrease	perlmonke2: url?	16:34
+MrHairgrease	and why are you reading php message boards	16:34
+MrHairgrease	or is that the joke?	16:34
+perlmonkey2	it is a joke	16:35
+perlmonkey2	This is April 1st, April Fool's Day.	16:35
* BartJol thinks kaleb tries to secretly reprogram WebGUI to php and will be killed by JT for that		16:35
+BartJol	slow suicide	16:36
+perlmonkey2	What would python get me?	16:36
+BartJol	well it will strangle you	16:37
+perlmonkey2	Did you read about that US governor's website that was erroring and actually posting the database files for anyone to download?	16:37
+perlmonkey2	PHP of course.	16:37
+BartJol	no, but it's very hard to take you seriously today	16:38
+BartJol	or conficker of course	16:38
+perlmonkey2	heh	16:39
+perlmonkey2	no, that one is true.	16:39
+BartJol	it hasn't bothered me yet, and I do have the redmond virus installed	16:40
+perlmonkey2	Wait, I think it is a Senate seat actually that is still being contested from the last election. One of their websites exposed all the contributors, supports, basically everything in the DB files.	16:40
+perlmonkey2	BartJol: and you survived conficker? I thought it was going to cause MS computers to grow legs and arms and start destroying humanity?	16:41
+BartJol	we all did, a matter of a good network and virus scanner setup	16:41
+BartJol	apparently ours is pretty good	16:42
+BartJol	but who would expect differntly	16:42
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+perlmonkey2	Mmmmm, baked an apple pie on Monday, now I have breakfast for the rest of the week....yum.	16:52
+BartJol	I'd like a piece please	16:54
+perlmonkey2	Should I zip it up or fax it? Or send if fedex?	16:54
+BartJol	a tar ball please	16:55
+perlmonkey2	I wonder how long a styrofoam container and dry ice would last :P	16:55
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+BartJol	perlmonkey2: did you hack JT's account?	17:01
+perlmonkey2	BartJol: what would make you think that?	17:02
+BartJol	the last black blog entry	17:02
+BartJol	do you have a testament?	17:04
+perlmonkey2	That is AWESOME	17:06
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+BartJol	so, who will be killed ritually?	17:12
+Radix_	WebGUI in PHP.. haven't I seen that before.. like.. every year	17:13
+BartJol	yes	17:13
+Radix_	You need a new one JT.. like webgui is partnering with oracle and will be written in PL/SQL or something	17:14
+Radix_	or will be bootstrapped in javascript	17:15
@rizen	i didn't ever write that one before	17:16
@rizen	in fact, i'm pretty sure the only one i've ever written was he one about microsoft buying out plain black	17:16
+Radix_	I've definitely heard the webgui rewritten in php one before	17:17
@rizen	yeah, that was webphooey	17:17
@rizen	and had nothing to do with me	17:17
@rizen	and didn't come out on april fools	17:17
+MrHairgrease	too bad the webphooey site is gone	17:17
+Radix_	Ahh k..	17:18
+perlmonkey2	That is funny rizen because "(08:26:16 AM) perlmonkey2: I just read on a PHP message board that JT is starting a new project to move wG to PHP."	17:19
@rizen	perlmonkey2: and that comment was independent of my blog?	17:21
+BartJol	don't believe him rizen	17:21
+perlmonkey2	rizen: yeah, my RSS updates to your blog are usually a few days delayed for some reason.	17:21
+BartJol	he hacked your account	17:21
@rizen	heh	17:22
+BartJol	built in functionality in survey2.0	17:22
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@rizen	i wouldn't doubt it	17:23
+MrHairgrease	hey rizen: Joeri gave his ok for me to go to the yapc::eu	17:23
+MrHairgrease	and rory is comming as well	17:23
@rizen	sweet ass sweet	17:24
+MrHairgrease	coming*	17:24
@rizen	it will be great to see you guys	17:24
+MrHairgrease	is that your association with us?	17:24
+MrHairgrease	sweetand ass?	17:24
+MrHairgrease	well, it'll sure be interesting =)	17:24
@rizen	MrHairgrease: are you saying you don't have a sweet ass?	17:24
+BartJol	yapc 2009: only sweet asses allowed	17:25
+MrHairgrease	nonono	17:25
+MrHairgrease	of course I have a sweet ass	17:25
+MrHairgrease	I just hoped for some recognition on a less banal level	17:26
+MrHairgrease	but as all eurotrash	17:26
+BartJol	martin is made from sugar!	17:26
+MrHairgrease	we compensate brainpower with good looks	17:26
+MrHairgrease	bart	17:26
+MrHairgrease	terrasje?	17:26
+BartJol	nou	17:26
+BartJol	lekker	17:27
@rizen	i too wish the webphooey site was still around, cuz i would have linked to it in my blog post	17:27
+Radix_	just make sure you sell MrHairgrease's ass at yapc - they like their auctions there ;)	17:30
+BartJol	sell? buy!	17:31
+Radix_	heck.. rent it out ;)	17:31
+BartJol	I think Marijn will claim his bottom	17:33
daviddelikat	I was talking to my kids about april fools	17:33
daviddelikat	ive been sharing the linksposted here and other places	17:34
daviddelikat	my middle daughter is on the silly side of gulible	17:34
daviddelikat	when I told here in the dictionary her picture was next to the def for gullible	17:34
daviddelikat	she said 'really?'	17:34
daviddelikat	today I told her I'd get her a hat that said 'A1' on it	17:35
daviddelikat	she said 'why?'	17:35
daviddelikat	I told here 'that's why'	17:35
daviddelikat	she didn't get it...	17:35
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* MrHairgrease doesn't get it either		18:00
diakopter	A1=April1	18:03
diakopter	I think	18:03
+MrHairgrease	oh	18:03
+MrHairgrease	maybe it's beacuse I don't hav children	18:04
diakopter	that you know of..	18:04
+MrHairgrease	what do you know taht I don't?	18:05
diakopter	nothing :P	18:05
+MrHairgrease	hehe	18:08
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+perlDreamer	rizen, you ungrateful nit	18:19
@rizen	huh?	18:19
+perlDreamer	now I've gotta change my domain name to phpDreamer	18:19
@rizen	hehe	18:19
+perlDreamer	couldn't you have given me more notice about this?	18:19
@rizen	oh, i forgot	18:19
+MrHairgrease	php eveolved from some perl scripts	18:19
@rizen	well perlmonkey2 has to change his irc nick	18:19
+MrHairgrease	so you could just use php.perlDreamer	18:19
+perlDreamer	and my business cards, business license, 1099's	18:20
+perlDreamer	this is a huge amount of work	18:20
+perlDreamer	if you were going to change languages, you could have picked something better	18:20
@rizen	you shouldn't have used a name that was so volatile	18:20
+perlDreamer	like .NET	18:20
@rizen	that's why i chose plain black, it could be anything at all...a lot like zombo.com	18:20
+perlmonkey2	heh	18:20
+perlmonkey2	phpmonkey2	18:20
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+MrHairgrease	why not use Logo then...	18:21
@rizen	phpmonkey2: it's more like phpmonkey29393939	18:21
+MrHairgrease	chances are that your businesscards already have a logo	18:21
+phpmonkey2	hah	18:21
+perlDreamer	the little turtle is so cute	18:21
+MrHairgrease	yeah	18:21
+MrHairgrease	but change the turtle for a mousecursor	18:21
+MrHairgrease	and you could take over users' computers	18:22
+MrHairgrease	it's a win ain situation	18:22
+MrHairgrease	win win*	18:22
+MrHairgrease	YOU decide what pages users view	18:22
+MrHairgrease	so you could avoid showing them bugs	18:22
+MrHairgrease	and thus WebGUI has no bug any more effectively	18:23
+MrHairgrease	making it the most bestest CSM in the world.	18:23
+MrHairgrease	is there already a javascript Logo compiler?	18:24
+perlDreamer	rizen: The Polish translation is taking off! They're up at 40% and climbing steadily	18:29
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+BartJol	mm concurrention	18:34
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@rizen	wahoo!	18:37
@rizen	i like to see that	18:37
+perlDreamer	mmmmm Squeeze Bacon: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html?cpg=93T	18:39
+BartJol	well I sincerely believe that that exists	18:41
+MrHairgrease	rizen: like to see what?	18:42
@rizen	translations on the rise	18:42
+BartJol	maybe also more Polish people on the channel	18:43
+BartJol	I need some polish people for rebuilding my house	18:44
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@rizen	i haven't looked at the percentages in a while	18:46
@rizen	the once glorious dutch translation is still the king but has lost some of it's shine	18:46
+BartJol	yeah, well I have to make it special again	18:47
+BartJol	it was lonely at the top	18:47
@rizen	the german translation has pulled ahead of arabic	18:47
+phpDreamer	and spanish is about to overtake arabic, too	18:47
+phpDreamer	Where's Ehab?	18:47
@rizen	and french, spanish, and polish are becoming real contenders	18:47
@rizen	ehab has been out of the game for a while	18:48
@rizen	he doesn't even seem to be keeping up with his businesses anymore	18:48
@rizen	not sure what that's about	18:49
+phpDreamer	that's a bummer	18:49
+phpDreamer	Did you notice Russian?	18:49
+phpDreamer	36% translated	18:49
@rizen	oh no i didn't see that	18:49
@rizen	very nice	18:49
@rizen	or as borat would say "Thats a neyece"	18:50
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+phpDreamer	maybe we need a sort by percent complete button on the front page	18:54
+BartJol	and the number of years that the dutch translation is on top	18:54
* BartJol is getting arrogant		18:54
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: if I had done my wind turbine in December, I would have averaged enough power put back on the grid to power every house in my neighborhood.	18:54
+phpmonkey2	up until now.	18:54
+phpDreamer	phpmonkey2: You could have been your own utility!	18:55
+phpDreamer	what happened now?	18:55
+phpDreamer	it stopped blowing?	18:55
+phpDreamer	oh, it started blowing the other way	18:55
+phpmonkey2	no, 20mph steady with up to 30mph gusts.	18:55
+phpDreamer	which would drain power from your house	18:55
+phpmonkey2	I'd still be averaging 4.5kw an hour.	18:55
+phpDreamer	phpmonkey2, GO BUY A WELDER!	18:55
+BartJol	phpDreamer: yeah that's the way dynamo's work	18:56
+MrHairgrease	bart!	18:56
+MrHairgrease	beertime	18:56
+phpmonkey2	yeah, I think it's time....If I start now, I can finish just in time for the slow wind season (summer) :P	18:56
+BartJol	finally	18:56
+MrHairgrease	hehe	18:56
+MrHairgrease	bye	18:56
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+BartJol	phpmonkey2: is also coming for beer?	18:56
+BartJol	nice	18:56
+phpmonkey2	I'll fax myself	18:56
+BartJol	see you in half an hour	18:56
+phpmonkey2	or send myself via tarbal	18:56
+phpmonkey2	drink a couple for me!	18:57
+BartJol	will do	18:57
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+phpDreamer	we lose more Dutch people at this time of day...	18:57
+phpmonkey2	they must go to their secret recharging stations.	18:57
+phpmonkey2	I think they use some sort of biofuel to recharge on created from grains.	18:58
+phpDreamer	isn't there an alcohol based engine?	19:00
+phpDreamer	now that would be a way to defeat the oil monopoly	19:00
+phpmonkey2	Dutch people?	19:00
+phpDreamer	we already have infrastructure	19:00
+phpmonkey2	ethanol?	19:00
+phpDreamer	storage and generation	19:00
+phpDreamer	it's carbon neutral	19:00
+phpDreamer	and you can always pick up an extra 6-pack if you're running out on the way home!	19:01
+phpmonkey2	40% of the science for doubling li-io batteries energy density is done. If that that other 60% happens, it's all over for oil.	19:02
@tavisto	woohoo WebGUI 8 is going to be in PHP!	19:02
@tavisto	I've been waiting for this for SOOOOOO LONG	19:02
+phpmonkey2	tavisto: would that make your job easier or harder. You get to say wG is built on the same tech as all the other FOSS CMS's, and don'thave to explain why perl is better anymore.	19:03
+phpDreamer	phpmonkey2, batteries are only for energy storage. You still have to find a way to make the electricity	19:03
@tavisto	YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!	19:03
+phpmonkey2	But then you have to explain away all the security issues that will pop up	19:03
* phpDreamer whacks phpmonkey2 with an ethanol powered, wind-filled lithium battery		19:04
+phpDreamer	there _are_ no security problems with PHP	19:04
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: new advances in wind technology coupled with cheap li-io commerical battery storage???	19:04
+phpDreamer	maybe we need a whole bunch of independently built wind farms	19:05
+phpmonkey2	kite powered wind turbines that tap the jet stream hold so much promise, it is hard to comprehend.	19:05
@tavisto	hehe	19:05
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: naw, using otherpower plans, it still costs a person much more per watt than GE can build them for.	19:06
@tavisto	No, I'm fine with the Perl gig.... I've got the whole response burned into my brain..... "Why does WebGUI use perl???"	19:06
@tavisto	That's when I say.... "Because your mom doesn't love you.. now go away"	19:06
+phpDreamer	phpmonkey2: but then the utility charges you. What's the breakeven point for DIY?	19:07
+phpmonkey2	tavisto: then when they are broken down and crying, you forge their name on the contract and run?	19:07
@tavisto	I'm like an abusive boyfriend breaking down the CMS potential customer	19:08
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: I priced a 3.5Meter turbine, back of envelope, at about $6k.	19:08
@tavisto	I'm the Ike Turner of the CMS sales world	19:08
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: that would make the average house in a decent wind zone, neutral on the grid.	19:08
+phpmonkey2	should average 1kw	19:08
+phpmonkey2	With my electric bill, I'd be looking at about a 5 year payback. But I have no idea on operating costs. I imagine the biggest deal is bad bearings, which would be a real pain to replace.	19:10
@rizen	hehe. tavisto makes me laugh	19:10
+phpDreamer	tavisto, there are two problems with that	19:10
+phpDreamer	1) You don't have a Tina	19:10
+phpDreamer	2) You don't have PHP in your nickname	19:11
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@tavisto	don't need Tina.. Becky is totally hotter	19:12
+phpDreamer	who is Becky?	19:12
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: biggest impediment: http://www.inl.gov/wind/photogallery/i/fthall_fmc_8_12_03_1.jpg the 20 meter tower.	19:13
+phpDreamer	yeah, that looks like a problem	19:14
+phpmonkey2	I'm pricing that as a $2.5k problem, in my calculations.	19:15
+phpmonkey2	probably way too cheap.	19:15
+phpDreamer	doesn't that push out our break even date, too?	19:15
@tavisto	I wouldn't stoop to that low phpDreamer. Using PHP is like using cigarettes.... everyone is doing it... but everyone is stupid for doing it. ;)	19:16
@tavisto	how about COBOL? I learned that in college.... that's been real beneficial to my career.	19:18
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: no, that was part of the $6k.	19:18
* phpizen wishes he could change tavisto's nick for him		19:18
@tavisto	nooooo!!!!	19:18
@tavisto	how about Fortranisto	19:18
daviddelikat	Cobol?	19:20
daviddelikat	our computer dept patently refused to teach it on the grounds that it is a dead language	19:20
@tavisto	yeah, I learned that in 2001	19:20
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: the 3 phase generator, blades, bearing, and housing, is actually the cheap part. Maybe $1k (I'd have to dig up my docs to make sure). Everything else is steel, steel cable, concrete, and more steel.	19:20
daviddelikat	yet fully half of my income since then was from doing cobol work	19:20
@tavisto	it was part of my CIS program.... which is entirely not focused on programming	19:21
daviddelikat	i wish coporate america would let it die a graceful death	19:21
daviddelikat	rather than make things like OOCobol	19:21
@tavisto	still lots of legacy systems using it. But it was strange.. here I am studying for my 3rd test towards MCSE and I'm learning Cobol	19:22
daviddelikat	you know how people often program in perl even tho they dont know how?	19:22
+phpmonkey2	My CS dept taught Cobol. But it was taught in a "you must learn everything about this language, so you know its shortcomings and why it is almost never a proper choice."	19:22
daviddelikat	well people who don't kow how to use cobol(like me) make little messes everywhere...	19:22
@tavisto	Good job college curriculum coordinators..... why not teach me zoology while you're at it	19:23
daviddelikat	that build up into systems tht fail consistantly	19:23
daviddelikat	which means we need more cobol programmers to fix them	19:24
daviddelikat	thats capitalism at work!	19:24
daviddelikat	:)	19:24
+phpDreamer	tavisto, are you really studying to be a MCSE?	19:27
@Haarg	http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=754313 talk about building a shipping api to work with any carrier	19:29
daviddelikat	tavisto: are you in a program or going solo?	19:30
@tavisto	dude that was when I was an engineer at Pharmacia (now Pfizer) back in 2001	19:30
@Haarg	too bad it probably wouldn't be complete soon enough for us to use if it does get built	19:31
+phpDreamer	maybe we should build it	19:31
@tavisto	we rolled W2k desktop images out to 55,000 employees across 60 countries	19:31
@tavisto	by the time we were halfway done.. people already wanted newer OS :)	19:31
@tavisto	daviddelikat, we had a group of us studying and then they sent us to bootcamp	19:32
@tavisto	which was stupid since many of the guys were 1 or 2 tests in	19:32
daviddelikat	I'v thought about going for MCSE but since I barely have time to do what I have to do now, it seems more prudent to work at finding income rather than looking for 'outgo' oportunities...	19:34
+phpDreamer	income vs outcome	19:36
@Haarg	all of the web services we integrate with in shop would be good candidates to make cpan modules out of, it just depends on how much time we want to spend on doing so	19:38
+phpDreamer	Vendor Payout is 7.7 only?	19:39
+phpDreamer	looks that way	19:40
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+phpmonkey2	hah	19:43
* phpDreamer is glad phpizen didn't choose Haskell for wG8		19:43
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: why?	19:43
@phpaction	or Erlang?	19:43
+phpmonkey2	that would have been hard to tell if it was a joke :P	19:43
@phpaction	i think Lisp is the only logical choice really	19:44
+phpDreamer	Scheme	19:44
+phpDreamer	.net	19:44
+phpDreamer	Ada	19:44
+phpmonkey2	Java	19:44
+phpDreamer	javascript	19:44
@PHPaarg	cmd batch script	19:44
+phpDreamer	Befunge	19:44
+phpmonkey2	If wG was to switch languages, there are what, two choices?	19:46
+phpmonkey2	Python and Perl6?	19:46
@PHPaarg	http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10064 i'm not sure about this bug. initially preload.custom was meant for apache preloading, thus the name. but it does cause problems that the utility scripts don't all use it.	19:46
@PHPaarg	upgrade.pl does now, because otherwise there is a good chance of breaking things	19:47
@PHPaarg	also, copying and pasting the code to deal with it into a bunch of scripts obviously isn't ideal	19:49
@PHPaarg	seems almost like preload.custom should be part of the wre, not webgui itself	19:49
+phpDreamer	PHPaarg, what I don't get about 10064 is that Spectre uses only 2-3 modules. Everything else it dispatches back to WebGUI.	19:50
@PHPaarg	yeah, i'm not sure what modifications to spectre would be done	19:51
@PHPaarg	it doesn't have any plugin points	19:51
+phpDreamer	also, if custom.preload were part of the wre, it wouldn't work with source instals	19:54
+phpDreamer	or distribution packages	19:54
@PHPaarg	seems like that should be part of the environment though	19:55
@PHPaarg	adding paths to PERL5LIB accomplishes about the same thing	19:55
+phpDreamer	true	19:56
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+phpDreamer	phphao, you're getting a little schizo, there	20:01
phphao	just a little?	20:03
+phpDreamer	well, it's only 1 other identity	20:04
+phpmonkey2	showSummary returns the current responses summary for the entire response, if no address is passed in, or just the section addressed by $sectionAddress.	20:09
+phpmonkey2	For each section, the total correct, wrong, and points are returned. And each question is listed with the text, given score, user response, and if it was correct. This list is meant for a template and only what is needed should be shown.	20:09
+phpmonkey2	Hmm, maybe throw in time taken per section and total time taken?	20:10
+phpDreamer	phpmonkey2: is it JSON data?	20:11
+phpmonkey2	phpDreamer: no, this will be returning a hash meant to be fed to a template.	20:11
+phpDreamer	in that case, I'd say the more data the merrier	20:11
+phpDreamer	until the point it bogs down	20:11
+phpmonkey2	:D	20:11
+phpmonkey2	you can never have too much datas in the internests	20:12
+phpDreamer	and don't forget the template variable help	20:12
+phpmonkey2	da helps	20:13
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+phpDreamer	tavisto, here's another rabbit trail to chase down: fossfor.us	20:21
+phpDreamer	they don't have a CMS category yet	20:21
+phpDreamer	but maybe they'd start one for you	20:21
+phpDreamer	seems more geared at desktop use, but who knows	20:21
+phpDreamer	hey, SynQ's the new PBWG	20:24
@tavisto	DUDE	20:25
@tavisto	WebGUI 8 Going PHP actually got picked up as a legit news story!!!	20:26
+phpDreamer	where?	20:26
+phpDreamer	linkage, dude	20:26
@tavisto	http://www.webgui.org/news/webgui-8-goes-php	20:27
+phpDreamer	oy	20:28
@tavisto	that's not cool at all	20:28
+phpDreamer	no	20:29
+phpDreamer	you're no stranger to love, tavisto	20:29
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+phpDreamer	I don't know that this guy is smoking: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10081	20:30
@tavisto	I got nothin	20:30
+phpDreamer	You know the rules, and so do I	20:31
+phpDreamer	in javascript, does : quote the left operator by default?	20:36
+phpDreamer	or am I getting confused by JSON?	20:36
@PHPaarg	it doesn't quote it exactly	20:44
@PHPaarg	but when defining an object, quotes can be eliminated for the keys as long as they are word characters	20:45
@PHPaarg	defining an object using { key : "value" } form	20:45
@PHPaarg	that's not valid json though	20:46
+phpDreamer	okay, that's what I thought	20:47
+phpDreamer	thanks, PHPaarg	20:47
@tavisto	I just want to tell you how I'm feeling....	20:51
@tavisto	want to make you... understand...	20:51
+phpDreamer	ah, followup post to 10081 makes more sense now	21:05
+phpDreamer	s/Asset/Form/g	21:05
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@tavisto	I knew you'd come back Rizen	21:35
+phpDreamer	Noooo!!!!	21:35
+phpDreamer	PHP Forever	21:35
* phpDreamer goes swimming, since running is only for perl hackers		21:42
@tavisto	punk	21:43
deafferret	PHP can have running	21:55
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phphao	phpaction, is wg 8 using couchdb?	22:16
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eternaluxe	This is probably an apache conf issue, but... www.mywebsite.com loads the default apache2 page. www.mywebsite.com/webgui loads webgui home page. How can I get to the webgui home page just by using my fqdn?	22:23
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* phpDreamer is back		23:40
+phpDreamer	phear my awesome fitness power	23:40
+phpDreamer	(now where did I place that DragonBall)?	23:41
elnino	whoa why do I have 16 wremonitors running? weird never saw that before.	23:43
@tavisto	yeah you're right, you should only have 15!	23:52
elnino	=)	23:53
elnino	I think my computer is playing a april fools on me.	23:53
@tavisto	sounds like it	23:54
elnino	I kill them. All is well. No errors very strange. will keep monitoring that's forsure.	23:54
+phpDreamer	elnino, any concerns about WebGUI 8 being in PHP?	23:55
+phpDreamer	it should fix our hosting issues	23:55
@tavisto	I have grave concerns	23:55
@tavisto	when perlDreamer finds out you are copying his name.. you are in big trouble	23:56
elnino	and how do you think that will fix your hosting issues? ;p	23:56
+phpDreamer	well, cheap hosting for wG will be available anywhere	23:57
elnino	oh ok.	23:57
elnino	because php is free?	23:57
elnino	and perl is not?	23:57
+phpDreamer	because php hosters are cheap	23:57
+phpDreamer	do you think there are a bunch of Drupal people who are joking about switching to Perl right now?	23:58
@tavisto	yeah, they have a product called Druperl	23:58
elnino	perhaps. =)	23:58
@tavisto	It's been out for awhile, check it out at http://www.webgui.org/news/webgui-8-goes-php	23:59
elnino	I really think should change your name back. it's giving me the creaps.	23:59
--- Day changed Thu Apr 02 2009
elnino	s/creaps/creeps	00:00
elnino	or crepes	00:00
elnino	=)	00:00
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+phpDreamer	speaking of crepes, I made these really good pumpkin cinnamon rolls a few weeks back	00:02
elnino	ooh. that's sounds good. You must think I cook alot. I only dream of doing that.	00:04
elnino	I do make pumpkin pie all year round. is that close?	00:05
elnino	I see perlmonkey2 is back. yeah!	00:07
+perlmonkey2	back in plain black.	00:07
+perlmonkey2	just need the AC/DC music.	00:08
+phpDreamer	elnino, cooking or eating, it makes no difference	00:13
+phpDreamer	important javascript safety tip, perlmonkey2	00:16
+phpDreamer	the <script> tag will not close itself	00:16
+perlmonkey2	where do you see that?	00:17
+perlmonkey2	I thought all my js was in js files?	00:17
+phpDreamer	in my code :(	00:17
+perlmonkey2	JS in templates?	00:17
+phpDreamer	only a little bit	00:17
+perlmonkey2	stupid script tag.....it really should know to close itself.	00:18
+phpDreamer	indeed	00:18
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+phpDreamer	I think I just wrote a constructor.	00:45
+phpDreamer	in javascript	00:45
elnino	yeah preaction is back.	00:45
+phpDreamer	and it may even work	00:45
+phpDreamer	it can't be	00:46
+phpDreamer	somebody kick me out of the channel, I'm dreaming!	00:46
+phpDreamer	anybody seen phpspam today?	00:52
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+phpDreamer	good news, patspam	01:32
+phpDreamer	WebGUI 8 will be written in PHP	01:32
+phpDreamer	JT is selling Plain Black to SynQ, and is moving to Tahiti where he'll be selling wooden idols	01:32
+patspam	damn i was hoping JT would choose lisp	01:33
+phpDreamer	as the new owner of PB, that was SynQ's call	01:33
@tavisto	phpDreamer!	01:45
+phpDreamer	yes, tavisto?	01:45
@tavisto	dude you better run... I heard perlDreamer is going to be in here soon... and he's going to murder you	01:45
+phpDreamer	is april 1 over now?	01:46
+patspam	sadly yes, over here at least	01:47
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elnino	perlDreamer is back!	01:59
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elnino	Haarg is back!	02:08
@Haarg	indeed	02:08
elnino	do you watch SG atlantis?	02:08
+perlDreamer	yes	02:10
+perlDreamer	well, used to before it ended	02:10
elnino	Haarg just reminded me of the episode of when Ronin made note that Tielk (special appearance from SG-1) said "indeed" alot.	02:13
+perlDreamer	I think that SG is the reason we all say "indeed"	02:13
elnino	indeed... lol.	02:13
elnino	I'm going to go cook food now. Bye!	02:13
@Haarg	i thought i was going insane there for a bit, then finally figured out my problem	02:17
@Haarg	apparently setting things in %ENV in mod_perl doesn't set the environment for subcommands	02:17
+perlDreamer	huh?	02:22
+perlDreamer	if you set %ENV for a process	02:22
+perlDreamer	and invoke a subprocess	02:22
+perlDreamer	you get the original ENV?	02:22
@Haarg	i get the env of the terminal i started apache with	02:22
@Haarg	where %ENV has all the CGI stuff	02:23
@Haarg	this is going to be extremely annoying to work around :/	02:33
+perlDreamer	what're you trying to do?	02:34
+perlDreamer	Would it be easier in PHP? ;)	02:34
@Haarg	i'm using a module i didn't write that depends on being able to set env variables	02:34
@Haarg	the two options i can think of are tieing %ENV to something so when it sets things i can call $r->subprocess_env->set() for everything	02:36
+perlDreamer	what about using a different module?	02:36
@Haarg	or rewriting Session::Env to not use ENV directly and instead manually map things to apache's api	02:36
@Haarg	this is for interfacing with Git. i'm pretty sure i don't have other options	02:37
@Haarg	although i could just not use the module at all	02:37
@Haarg	i'd have to write a bunch of io code though that i would rather avoid	02:38
+perlDreamer	what about altering the module so that it doesn't need %ENV?	02:38
+perlDreamer	you might be doing other people a favor, although it could be a lot of work	02:39
@Haarg	well, that's what i'll be doing for now i guess	02:43
* perlDreamer goes to dinner		03:16
+perlDreamer	bpmedley, Haarg: several tests are failing in the 7.7 branch	03:16
+perlDreamer	might want to schedule some extra time tracking things down in there	03:16
@Haarg	ok, thanks	03:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10120 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Cart.t:	03:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: Shipper is no longer checked by readyForCheckout. Update	03:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: test to follow.	03:24
diakopter	Haarg: tie %ENV to use Session stowage? (and always use the same sessionid)	03:28
diakopter	?	03:28
@Haarg	not really possible	03:29
@Haarg	to get env to work as expected for that, it either needs to call subprocess_env->set for anything modified in it	03:30
@Haarg	or it needs to not have mod_perl messing with it	03:30
@Haarg	to get mod_perl to not mess with it, it would need to use the SetHandler modperl instead of SetHandler perl-script	03:31
diakopter	tie env globally before apache forks...	03:31
@Haarg	which means all of the cgi variables don't get set	03:31
@Haarg	and since they are used, we'd need to provide an alternate api for them	03:32
@Haarg	what would the tie be doing?	03:32
diakopter	as long what's stored is serializable/freezable/marshallable, keep a structured text version in a temp file somewhere... or even in an apache server var	03:36
@Haarg	of what data?	03:36
diakopter	whatever is/will be in %ENV	03:37
diakopter	strings only, I guess	03:37
@Haarg	it isn't an issue of storing the information	03:38
@Haarg	it's an issue of modifying it	03:38
@Haarg	the cgi variables aren't available until after mod_perl plays with ENV	03:39
@Haarg	and once it has played with ENV, it can't be put back to it's original behavior	03:39
diakopter	if %ENV is tied before apache2 [pre]forks, all the children will look to a copy of the same tied hash, which (if your tie interface is implemented correctly) could pull from the proper place.	03:40
@Haarg	what is the proper place?	03:40
@Haarg	i'm not clear which side of the issue you are trying to resolve	03:41
@Haarg	the issue of not being able to set things in the environment, or the issue of not having access to the CGI variables	03:42
diakopter	the tied hash knows the pid of each var that's set... if a process requests a key of %ENV that was set by the parent process, it uses that one... otherwise it uses the initial set	03:42
diakopter	the former	03:42
diakopter	I'm just describing a way to implement a data structure shared by concurrent processes, with a bit of overriding/inheritance.	03:43
diakopter	using tie from the initial/master process	03:43
@Haarg	there's nothing really about the initial process i care about, and no sharing between apache processes involved	03:44
diakopter	once the subprocesses are invoked, their %ENV would need to be tied to use the same logic	03:44
@Haarg	the issue is that inside mod_perl, %ENV no longer represents the environment.	03:44
@Haarg	so i could either force writes to %ENV also change the environment	03:45
@Haarg	or i could get mod_perl to not mess with %ENV	03:46
diakopter	I don't think you're understanding my suggested solution... I'm suggesting redirecting all STORE/FETCH to/from %ENV in all these processes to a shared data structure that's smart enough to understand the parent process logic I mentioned. You don't see how that's a possible 3rd solution other than the 2 you mentioned?	03:48
@Haarg	i don't have any control over the sub process	03:48
@Haarg	it isn't part of mod_perl	03:48
@Haarg	it's just an executable	03:48
diakopter	oh; it's not a .pl script?	03:49
@Haarg	nope	03:49
diakopter	if not, create a wrapper .pl script that constructs the %ENV appropriately.	03:49
diakopter	or set the env in the command line	03:49
diakopter	(send it through bash)	03:50
@Haarg	i don't have control over the command line either	03:50
@Haarg	i'm using a module that wraps calls to executables	03:50
@Haarg	and it doesn't provide full control over the command line, because the whole point is that it is an abstraction layer	03:51
diakopter	ok, so this module is loaded in mod_perl. I guess it needs monkey-patching...	03:51
@Haarg	yeah	03:52
@Haarg	best alternative option is to tie ENV so it modifies the real environment	03:52
diakopter	what command line wrapper module is this?	03:52
@Haarg	Git	03:52
@Haarg	i may try to write a tie interface to deal with the issue, but it seems likely it will be annoying to do	03:53
@Haarg	so i'm just modifying the module for now	03:54
diakopter	I don't see how that could work... (modifying the master apache process' env)... I doubt that would affect new subprocesses of apache	03:54
@Haarg	i don't need to modify the master apache process's env	03:54
diakopter	you're referring to what "real environment"? (Sorry I'm slow :()	03:55
@Haarg	the environment that gets passed to all sub-processes and can be modified using export in bash or %ENV in perl	03:56
diakopter	I thought the problem was that, once spawned, a mod_perl child process	03:57
diakopter	's subprocesses would use the original %ENV	03:57
@Haarg	the problem is that the environment that gets passed to sub-processes is usually available and modifiable through %ENV	03:58
@Haarg	in mod_perl, it disconnects that variable from the low level environment stuff	03:58
diakopter	right	03:58
diakopter	my question was	03:58
@Haarg	so you can't use it to pass things to the sub-processes	03:58
diakopter	how will you do that	03:58
diakopter	if you can't use perl	03:58
@Haarg	apache has a separate api for it	03:58
diakopter	ok, it wasn't clear to me that you meant "use apache's api to define the subprocess' env" by "tie ENV so it modifies the real environment"	04:01
@Haarg	yeah, i should have been a bit more clear	04:08
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+patspam	perlDreamer: trunk r10081 gives me segfaults	04:13
+patspam	probably because i need to upgrade clone	04:14
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* diakopter was getting segfaults too		04:23
diakopter	(until upgrading Clone)	04:23
+patspam	yupyup, upgrading clone fixed it	04:25
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10121 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made Survey branch expressions eval in safe compartment	05:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10122 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	05:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: Rewrote Survey gotoExpression tests now that we have perl power in	05:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: expressions	05:25
@Haarg	this env thing is really annoying. using subprocess_env doesn't even work the way i'm using it, it may only apply when you use apache's api to run sub processes.	05:25
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elnino	hi! I've just completed moving about 10 sites to a new machine with a new ip address.	06:29
elnino	but I'm getting Visitor (1) connecting from 67.223.227.84 attempted to make a Spectre cron job runner request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 127.0.0.1/32,66.240.210.87/32,127.0.0.1/32.	06:29
elnino	I've set the ip address correctly, so my question is, are these left over crons that have the old ip address recorded somehere?	06:30
elnino	should I temporarily allow the old IP address?	06:30
elnino	NEVERMIND figured it out	06:34
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10123 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: Fix POD errors.	07:12
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10124 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Fix POD errors.	07:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10125 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.t: Update this test to work with the new RSS Aspect.	08:13
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10126 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: Fix module name for RDF generation.	08:13
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10127 /WebGUI/www/extras/VendorPayout/vendorPayout.js: Fix more gateway errors in URLs	08:13
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10128 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm: Removing debug code.	08:13
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10129 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Improved Survey validation messages	08:13
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10130 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Document the newer version of Clone required for 7.7.2 in the gotchas.txt file.	08:13
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10131 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Further improved Survey validation checking	09:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10132 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed SurveyJSON->questions which was short-changing getGotoTargets	09:16
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10133 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm Asset_Post.pm): Update from translation server	15:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10134 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Navigation.pm: Update from translation server	15:09
+BartJol	he?	15:09
+MrHairgrease	it wasn't you?	15:10
+BartJol	nope	15:10
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+BartJol	strange, but I don't see bs translations	15:11
+MrHairgrease	bs?	15:14
+BartJol	bullshit	15:14
+MrHairgrease	ah	15:15
+MrHairgrease	that's probably because nowhere in the i18n message cow's excrement is being mentioned	15:16
+BartJol	well, someone did put in a porn link a time ago	15:16
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SynQ	hi there	17:21
+MrHairgrease	hey Koen!	17:21
SynQ	I'm looking for an affordable remote support solution	17:22
SynQ	that works	17:22
SynQ	like www.gotoassist.com	17:22
SynQ	but better/different/cheaper	17:23
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SynQ	Tavis brother	17:26
@tavisto	Hey SynQ, how are you?	17:26
SynQ	I'm featured :)	17:26
@tavisto	yessir, I like the view from your office	17:27
SynQ	nice and light	17:27
SynQ	it is my home office	17:27
@tavisto	it's about time you were PBWG. I was able to dodge the bullet for awhile too :)	17:27
SynQ	hehe	17:27
SynQ	now I'm going to ask for a PBWG lounge at the WUC ;)	17:28
@tavisto	haha good idea!	17:28
SynQ	a restricted are members only	17:28
@tavisto	or a badge on your ribbon	17:28
SynQ	indeed	17:28
SynQ	you should be able to spend your karma at the wuc too	17:29
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@tavisto	I think under the revised Karma system, this is possible	17:31
SynQ	oeh wow	17:31
@tavisto	that's a good point and I will check on that	17:31
SynQ	have you implemented any shops recently?	17:31
@tavisto	I think it's 10,000 = a free 12oz beer	17:31
@tavisto	:)	17:31
SynQ	10K	17:32
SynQ	10K = 100 dollars worth of swag on the site	17:32
@tavisto	SynQ, it's inflation.. I'm sorry. Your government keeps printing Karma and going further into debt	17:32
SynQ	hehe	17:32
@tavisto	;)	17:32
@tavisto	but that's an excellent point about using Karma AT the WUC to get stuff	17:33
SynQ	the JT Jevarra dictatorship	17:33
@tavisto	books/t=shirts, etc..	17:33
@tavisto	Maybe we should also let people buy stuff with Karma a week before the WUC and then we can have it ready for pickup at the WUC too	17:34
@tavisto	(that might help prevent us from running out of stuff)	17:34
SynQ	which saves on shipping	17:34
@tavisto	exactly, except the books will include it -- at least domestically	17:34
@tavisto	it'll be much cheaper than the international rates though	17:35
@tavisto	SynQ, how do you think that we could make the install process of WebGUI easier? Do you think that it's easy enough right now?	17:35
SynQ	that's a 2 hour discussion question	17:36
SynQ	I don't have that time now	17:36
SynQ	but to the second question I would say 'no' now	17:37
@tavisto	Well to start I want to keep it high level. But when you get a chance, I think we need to put some minds together and see how it can be improved	17:37
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SynQ	tavisto: good plan	17:38
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SynQ	we have just scheduled a WebGUI drink over here	17:38
SynQ	perhaps we could try and get a livelink to the USA	17:38
SynQ	video conference or something	17:39
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@tavisto	TechRepublic.com was going to showcase WebGUI on their site as a "featured CMS product" but he's encountered a ton of install issues. (Mainly related to the fact that he already has Apache & MySQL on his server)	17:39
SynQ	tavis: PB uses webex right?	17:39
@tavisto	Yes SynQ, we can video conference as I have both Skype and Adobe Connect	17:40
SynQ	are you satisfied with webex?	17:40
@tavisto	Anyway, Doug asked some good questions and these are ones that I have asked in the past when people have told me the installation is often times too difficult	17:40
@tavisto	However, our developers are so used to the system that they aren't objective or a good representation of a new user who's trying to install WebGUI.	17:41
@tavisto	We use Adobe Connect, which is a cheaper service than WebEX	17:42
SynQ	ah	17:42
@tavisto	Seems to work well and is only $400/year	17:42
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SynQ	ok	17:43
@tavisto	Anyway, I think there is great value in getting some smart people together and trying to streamline the install process. (or atleast the documentation to make it easier)	17:43
SynQ	I'm looking for a remote support tool	17:43
SynQ	not so much a web-communication too	17:43
SynQ	tool	17:43
@tavisto	We used to use Gotomeeting and that was awesome	17:44
SynQ	gotomeeting is citrix based	17:44
SynQ	right?	17:44
@tavisto	It wasn't cross-browser supported though so we switched	17:44
@tavisto	Yes	17:44
@tavisto	They have a GoToAssist product for remote support	17:44
SynQ	indeed	17:45
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@tavisto	er wait.. sorry not cross-browser, but the supported OS was only Windows for the small business package. You have to pay a lot more to get Mac and Linux support	17:45
SynQ	ah	17:46
SynQ	that is important indeed	17:46
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@tavisto	Welcome to the #WebGUI IRC channel perlDreamer. How may I help you?	19:13
+perlDreamer	You can tell SynQ that he rocks!	19:13
@tavisto	I am sorry, but that does not computer. Need input.	19:14
@tavisto	er.. compute	19:14
deafferret	stupid bot :(	19:14
+perlDreamer	tavisto: reboot and resync with channel	19:15
+perlDreamer	tavisto: prepare for firmware upgrade	19:16
+perlDreamer	bopbop: thanks for your wiki spam clean-up	19:16
+perlDreamer	I thought I was the only person doing that	19:16
@tavisto	I also go through when I can and delete wiki junk	19:20
@tavisto	I noticed it starting to build up about 6 months ago	19:21
@Haarg	perlDreamer, i'm adding a session parameter to exportAssetCollateral	19:21
@Haarg	to pass the 'reporting' session so it can output the status messages	19:22
@Haarg	probably just going to add it as an optional third parameter	19:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10136 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): RssFeed fixes and cleanups	19:32
+perlDreamer	Haarg, still getting two failures for assetExport	19:38
+perlDreamer	they're related to the files that are created during export	19:39
@Haarg	ah, forgot to fix that one	19:39
+perlDreamer	I worked on that one a little last night	19:39
+perlDreamer	the exporter does not know that the RSS and Atom files get created	19:39
+perlDreamer	so if you add them to the list of created files	19:39
+perlDreamer	then the count will be off	19:39
@Haarg	still need to check/fix the upgrade script as well	19:40
+perlDreamer	I can take on the test if you want to do that	19:40
@Haarg	that would be great	19:40
+perlDreamer	this is not a robust test	19:49
+perlDreamer	but it's passing now :)	19:52
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I also removed the TEST_POD environment variable for POD.t, so it runs all the time now	19:54
@Haarg	cool	19:54
+perlDreamer	now the only test that is guarded by an environment variable is i18n/critic_labels.t	19:54
@Haarg	nice	19:54
+perlDreamer	did you see my other tweak to that?	19:55
+perlDreamer	if POD_COVERAGE==2, it will tell you what subs need POD	19:55
@Haarg	yeah	19:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10137 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: Account for asset collateral in generated files for the AssetExportHtml test.	19:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10138 /WebGUI/t/POD.t: POD.t should be run all the time, as well.	19:55
@Haarg	i was thinking though	19:56
@Haarg	if you don't run with -v, that information doesn't show anyway	19:56
+perlDreamer	not in prove	19:56
@Haarg	so wouldn't it make sense to show it all the time?	19:56
@Haarg	if the tests fail, might as well tell people why	19:56
+perlDreamer	how would it need to be output in order to do that?	19:57
+perlDreamer	it would have to be built into the test comments	19:57
+perlDreamer	rather than diag output	19:57
@Haarg	what i mean is, why only show that information for POD_COVERAGE==2?	19:57
+perlDreamer	oh, it also changes the threshold to 100%	19:58
+perlDreamer	you and I had set a threshold of 75% being acceptable for POD	19:58
+perlDreamer	this tells you everything that needs POD	19:58
+perlDreamer	but there's no reason it couldn't output what needs POD for either threshold	19:58
@Haarg	that's what i was thinking	19:58
+perlDreamer	okay, that's committed	20:04
+perlDreamer	52 modules need more POD	20:05
+perlDreamer	make that 51	20:06
+perlDreamer	make that 47	20:10
+perlDreamer	46	20:12
@tavisto	hmm... Haarg, I've got an email asking me what the requirements are for an ISP/hosting company to run WebGUI. I pointed them to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/system-requirements and they responded and said that they are still having a hard time finding the precise info for the server-requirements for the ISP/hosting company. As long as they have root access to the server, they can install the WRE and all pre-requisites	20:14
+perlDreamer	tavisto, are they asking for hardware specs?	20:15
+perlDreamer	disk space, processor, memory?	20:15
@tavisto	no it looks like they're looking for a list of software prerequisites to ask their hosting company about	20:17
+perlDreamer	inside the WebGUI source, there's a script called testEnvironment.pl	20:18
+perlDreamer	it has a complete list of all software version of perl modules required for WebGUI.	20:18
@tavisto	that's why I'm rather confused. Unless they are saying they want to know the individual prerequisite stuff inside the WRE	20:18
@tavisto	alright, I'll include that as well	20:19
+perlDreamer	but the WRE specs would be more complete, with perl, mysql, ImageMagick, Apache, etc.	20:19
+perlDreamer	tavisto, it's possible that we really need such a document, so this is good stuff	20:19
@tavisto	Yeah, he mentions he found the specific requirements for the WRE but then wanted to know about the hosting company. So maybe I need to clarify the way that the WRE works.	20:20
@tavisto	thanks perlDreamer	20:20
* perlDreamer bows		20:20
+perlDreamer	44 modules, but it gets sticky from here on out.	20:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10139 /WebGUI/t/POD.t:	20:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: Output subroutines missing POD regardless of coverage threshold.	20:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fix the threshold to work correctly based on ENV.	20:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10140 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Donation.pm: Fix a POD typo.	20:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10141 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm: Add missing POD for www_edit to Shelf.	20:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10142 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix POD typos	20:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10143 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/Cash.pm: Remove an empty sub stub.	20:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10144 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (EventManagementSystem.pm Folder.pm Survey.pm): Fix broken POD, and add missing POD.	20:37
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, with the change to Collaboration.t, there's an extra test	20:45
+perlDreamer	but it's a duplicate of one above it	20:45
@Haarg	hm	20:45
+perlDreamer	nuke it?	20:45
@Haarg	sure	20:45
@Haarg	missed that when merging	20:46
+perlDreamer	another question?	20:49
+perlDreamer	in SyndicatedContent, you added scalar before the $feed and $object calls	20:49
+perlDreamer	but the docs for XML::FeedPP say they're already scalars (title, link, etc.)	20:49
@Haarg	they do return; if the value doesn't exist	20:51
+perlDreamer	oh	20:51
@Haarg	was rather confusing when we first saw the problems with that. titles showing up as 'javascript'.	20:59
+perlDreamer	test suite is running clean, with the exception of NotifyAboutLowStock	21:00
+perlDreamer	which means the test is broken, or some other test is leaking	21:00
+perlDreamer	it runs clean after a db reset	21:00
+perlDreamer	so I'm guessing that something is leaking Skus	21:00
diakopter	Sku is mentioned in AssetAspect/Comments.pm	21:13
diakopter	not sure why	21:14
+perlDreamer	It originally came out of the Bazaar, iirc	21:15
+perlDreamer	but that doesn't mean that the class name should still be BazaarItem :)	21:16
diakopter	does that mean it should be changed? (but I guess it couldn't be the Sku leak source since that class doesn't even exist?)	21:29
diakopter	(or does it?)	21:31
+perlDreamer	it's not	21:33
+perlDreamer	the test isn't failing consistently, which means that there's either a bug in the activity, or the test is bad	21:34
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10145 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.t: Remove a duplicate test.	22:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10146 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.pm: Fix POD copy/paste problems.	22:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10147 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.pm: Backport POD copy/paste fix.	22:02
+perlDreamer	how much trouble will I get into if I run perltidy on the SQLReport?	22:22
diakopter	deep? har.	22:23
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diakopter	CIA-38: be more frequent	22:43
@preaction	heh	22:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: diakopter * r10148 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): During 7.7.2 upgrade, adding routines to unlink unused .pm and correctly port over rss item limit.	22:51
CIA-38	WebGUI: diakopter * r10149 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.1-7.7.2.pl: catch one more upgrade/porting case	22:51
CIA-38	WebGUI: diakopter * r10150 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.1-7.7.2.pl: <sigh/> fixing my flub. nothing to see here.	22:51
diakopter	perlDreamer: here's an idea for a test... check for orphaned i18n labels... labels defined in the i18n hashes but not accessed by anything. I bet there's oodles. if that test doesn't exist.	22:59
@preaction	the test would also have to check ^International() in templates	23:10
@preaction	but that seems completely do-able	23:10
diakopter	non-existant - spello	23:11
diakopter	don't remember where I saw it :)	23:11
diakopter	oh, syntaxos: and it's contents and from it's storage	23:12
diakopter	POD I'm sure	23:12
diakopter	anyone: is there an asset method to trash an asset, but preserve any children it may have by promoting them up a level?	23:17
diakopter	(well, really, purge)	23:18
diakopter	I need to purge any/all the RSSFromParent assets, but it's possible that someone has put other assets under it (by pasting, I guess), and I don't want to purge their stuff	23:19
@Haarg	no, but i don't think you need to worry about that	23:20
* diakopter takes your word for it.		23:20
diakopter	:P	23:20
@Haarg	what do you have for that so far? because i was working on the same problem	23:20
diakopter	for that method? or just deleting assets of a certain class	23:21
@Haarg	for whatever you are adding to the upgrade script	23:21
diakopter	heh, sec	23:22
@Haarg	http://gist.github.com/89411	23:23
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@Haarg	i know of at least one custom asset that is using rsscapable/rssfromparent	23:24
@Haarg	which is what my modifications are meant to deal with	23:24
diakopter	oh. /me doesn't feel so bad, then	23:24
@Haarg	my changes aren't complete yet	23:25
diakopter	ok, so hrm... so I shouldn't have deleted those .pm from svn?	23:26
@Haarg	they are fine to delete from svn, but we don't want to delete them as part of the upgrade	23:27
diakopter	Asset/RSSCapable.cpm, Asset/RSSFromParent.pm, i18n/English/blah	23:27
diakopter	okay	23:27
diakopter	maHarg: all the Collaboration assets should have rows in RSSCapable before the upgrade.. even if they're not rss enabled	23:32
diakopter	as far as I understand it	23:32
@Haarg	yes	23:33
@Haarg	they would be broken if they did not	23:33
diakopter	ok, so everyone would see that warning you have there..... oh; no, b/c you're deleting those rows. I see now :)	23:34
@Haarg	yeah	23:34
@Haarg	also, that's the part that isn't complete	23:34
+perlmonkey2	preaction: is that a real PHP "template"? It is horrible	23:44
* perlDreamer thought PHP was easy, like javascript		23:45
@preaction	perlmonkey2: i don't know if it is 100% error-free PHP, but it is very close to it	23:45
+perlmonkey2	all those poor souls around the world, condemned to such madness.	23:45
@preaction	very close to what one of those highschool students will do with PHP at least	23:45
@preaction	there are abstractions and other such that makes PHP less of an abomination	23:45
@preaction	but i don't know PHP and hope I never have to learn it	23:46
+perlDreamer	Haarg knows some PHP, iirc	23:51
@Haarg	some	23:52
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'm 75% of the way through a bugfix. When is release for 7.7.2?	23:57
@Haarg	it will be a bit longer	23:57
+perlDreamer	let me know when you start	23:57
+perlDreamer	I'm just down to testing	23:57
@Haarg	sure	23:57
+perlDreamer	but setting up carts with items takes time	23:57
@preaction	damnit. i knew i forgot something. looks like my new asset will wait for 773	23:57
+perlDreamer	that's what ya get fer dinkin' around with PHP	23:58
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CIA-38	WebGUI: diakopter * r10151 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (Asset_RSSFromParent.pm Asset_RSSCapable.pm): buhleted. (RSS* i18n)	00:18
+perlDreamer	what's the magic mysql command to get the current time as an epoch?	00:25
@preaction	UNIX_TIMESTAMP()	00:27
+perlDreamer	thanks, preaction	00:27
@preaction	you might need a NOW() inside those parens	00:27
@preaction	but i think that's the default	00:27
+perlDreamer	it seems to be	00:28
+perlDreamer	Haarg, ready to commit. Have you started?	00:34
@Haarg	not yet, but ready to	00:34
+perlDreamer	okay, I need 5 minutes	00:34
@Haarg	not a problem	00:35
+perlDreamer	I may need a little help with the gotchas notice	00:35
+perlDreamer	since this bug requires adding a db column to Cart	00:35
+perlDreamer	dang it, no I'm not ready	00:36
+perlDreamer	I have to do the config file upgrades	00:36
+perlDreamer	I'll get this in tomorrow	00:36
@Haarg	i can wait a bit	00:36
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@Haarg	i have to do a couple more things for the rss thing actually	00:37
+perlDreamer	okay, I'll try to finish it up	00:37
+perlDreamer	I need a config file update, and I have to modify one of the default workflows to add the new activity	00:37
SynQ	perlDreamer: you rock too!	00:38
+perlDreamer	welcome to the club, SynQ	00:38
SynQ	thanks	00:38
+perlDreamer	you should ask Mr preaction to voice you	00:38
SynQ	voice me?	00:38
SynQ	no comprendre	00:38
+perlDreamer	you get a little widget next to your name	00:38
+perlDreamer	so people know that you're to be respected and listened to	00:39
SynQ	wow	00:39
SynQ	perhaps we should get tattoos during the wuc ;)	00:39
SynQ	pbwg on the right ball :P	00:39
SynQ	painfull buth worth it	00:40
+perlDreamer	perhaps not	00:40
+perlDreamer	;)	00:40
SynQ	perhaps a less painful ritual then	00:41
SynQ	breakfast at the come back in	00:41
+perlDreamer	there ya go	00:41
SynQ	french toast	00:41
+perlDreamer	while we plan WUC 2010 in Melbourne	00:41
SynQ	good idea	00:41
SynQ	it's just 24 hours of flying	00:42
SynQ	I might just test my theories on 'bored during a flight'	00:43
+perlDreamer	but there's lots of people to talk to	00:43
+perlDreamer	and think of all the hacking you can do!	00:43
SynQ	very true	00:43
SynQ	and we get to enjoy (wink wink) the speed of webgui.org from australia	00:43
SynQ	which is horrid	00:44
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+SynQ	oeh	00:44
+SynQ	did someone very kind just put a medal on my chest?	00:45
+SynQ	thank you preaction	00:45
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+SynQ	time for bed	00:57
+SynQ	night	00:57
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10152 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/CartItem.pm: Fix bugs when trying to handle a Sku that no longer exists in the db.	00:58
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+perlDreamer	Do I still have time, Haarg?	01:02
@Haarg	yes	01:03
+perlDreamer	committed	01:05
+perlDreamer	also, modernperlbooks.com has an interesting series of blog posts about software releases	01:05
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@preaction	sounds like old-hat to me. everybody knows the first couple stable releases are anything but	01:14
@preaction	but if we don't call them stable, they'll never be used and tried and bugs found	01:14
+perlDreamer	this is true	01:15
+perlDreamer	I thought it talked more about the metric for a release	01:15
+perlDreamer	not playing games with fixing or labeling bugs	01:15
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10153 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 9 dirs):	01:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add a creation date to the Cart.	01:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: Use that date to expire carts older than an interval, via a new workflow.	01:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: Config file changes, tests, i18n.	01:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10154 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Shop/CartItem.pm: Backporting CartItem fixes for trashed Sku's.	01:29
+perlDreamer	got time for another one, Haarg?	01:29
@Haarg	yes	01:29
@Haarg	there's a new feature i'm going to try to slip in to this release, so it will be a while longer	01:30
@Haarg	new feature to go along with the rss stuff	01:30
+perlDreamer	cool	01:30
+perlDreamer	I found a leaky test	01:30
+perlDreamer	which was causing the earlier weirdness with NotifyAboutLowStock	01:31
@Haarg	ah	01:31
@Haarg	cool	01:31
@Haarg	i wasn't able to duplicate that one	01:31
+perlDreamer	it's random	01:31
+perlDreamer	depends on whether or not the test runs before or after the ShipDriver test	01:31
+perlDreamer	I think	01:31
+perlDreamer	in any case, ShipDriver/FlatRate doesn't leak cartItems anymore	01:31
+perlDreamer	okay, I'm clear again	01:42
@Haarg	i really have to figure out how to prevent automatic brace matching with this latest version of vim perl-support	01:43
+perlDreamer	:se nomatch?	01:44
@Haarg	is that for brace highlighting?	01:46
@Haarg	it keeps adding ending braces all the time and then i have to remove them	01:47
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+perlDreamer	that's for highlighting	01:48
@Haarg	yeah, highlighting is fine	01:48
+perlDreamer	there's one that will add braces automatically for you?	01:48
+perlDreamer	that doesn't sound good	01:48
@Haarg	perl-support is a plugin i have installed	01:48
@Haarg	it does some nice things, but automatically adding braces is really annoying	01:48
+perlDreamer	yeah	01:48
+perlDreamer	will you be talking about your vim config in patspam's panel session?	01:49
@Haarg	nah	01:49
@Haarg	i don't have anything interesting set up with vim	01:50
@Haarg	feels kind of silly adding RSS/RDF/Atom to i18n	01:52
+perlDreamer	yeah	01:53
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10155 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Fix a leaky test.	02:05
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10156 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Forward port leaky test fix with cleaning up the cart.	02:05
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10157 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (9 files in 9 dirs): Backport Cart creationDate, and RemoveOldCart.	02:05
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10158 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Put bug fix in the right place.	02:05
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, with commit 10159, all the tests in HEAD run clean for me	02:49
SDuensin	Go Go Unit Tests!	02:50
@Haarg	thanks perlDreamer	02:50
+perlDreamer	good luck on the WRE :)	02:50
@Haarg	i keep finding little things i need to clean up	02:56
@Haarg	i'd leave them be, but they involve the upgrade proceedure	02:58
+perlDreamer	do you have a list?	02:59
+perlDreamer	iow, want to offload something?	03:00
@Haarg	should be done in a minute	03:00
+perlDreamer	my son peter is going to have kittens	03:01
+perlDreamer	I just found this: http://www.metro-goingplaces.org/bast/	03:01
+perlDreamer	It's a google-map based metro transit planner	03:01
+perlDreamer	the goal is to expand the system while staying in the budget	03:01
@preaction	Veridian Dynamics is perhaps the most evil company EVER. Rizen, we're slipping!	03:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10159 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_RSSFromParent.pm: Remove Help for the RSSFromParent asset.	03:07
@Haarg	arg	03:10
@Haarg	statesToInclude/statusToInclude is really annoying	03:10
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@Haarg	i'm probably a bit crazy to make these changes immediately before releasing	03:14
+perlDreamer	let me know when you have it committed, and I'll rerun the suite here	03:15
@Haarg	committed	03:16
@Haarg	running the tests now	03:16
@Haarg	failures already	03:16
+perlDreamer	URL capitalization changed?	03:18
@Haarg	i must have messed something up with my changes to asset->update	03:19
+perlDreamer	it must be the conditional check	03:23
+perlDreamer	because the data pointer is pretty inocuous	03:23
@Haarg	properties became property	03:25
@Haarg	line 2343	03:25
+perlDreamer	maybe I need to add Asset.t in my coverage goals for 2009	03:27
+perlDreamer	I've been focusing on Session/*.pm, User and Group	03:27
+perlDreamer	but that only got caught by 1 test	03:27
@Haarg	unfortunately, the thing i added that for isn't working	03:30
+perlDreamer	I thought you were trying to save some typing :)	03:31
@Haarg	the allowEmpty flag though	03:31
+perlDreamer	maybe it needs more tests?	03:32
@Haarg	probably	03:33
@Haarg	if this didn't impact the upgrade stuff i would have left it for later	03:33
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+perlDreamer	clean run again	03:36
+perlDreamer	you going to commit the "properties" fix, or do you want me to?	03:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10160 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): improving RSSCapable upgrade procedure, adding feed header selection	03:37
@Haarg	i'll get it	03:37
+perlDreamer	I'll start an i18n run, then	03:37
@Haarg	fix committed	03:48
@Haarg	perlDreamer, any reason to hold off on the release?	03:59
+perlDreamer	the i18n run is almost finished	03:59
+perlDreamer	and there are no failures yet	03:59
+perlDreamer	at this point, I'd say go ahead	04:00
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10161 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Form/List.pm Asset.pm Form/Control.pm AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm): fix allowEmpty and bugs it caused	04:08
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+perlDreamer	i18n run finished clean	04:32
* perlDreamer heads to church		04:32
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10162 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: set rss feed image link to be a url field	04:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10163 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.7.2 release	04:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10164 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.1-7.7.2.pl: fix upgrade for if RSSFromParent is missing	04:37
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10165 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.2-beta: Release 7.7.2-beta	05:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10166 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.7.3 dev	05:03
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+perlmonkey2	sometimes HTML::Template just seems so constricting.	06:06
@preaction	it is. try Template::Toolkit	06:13
+perlmonkey2	is TT2 something that can be used in a core wobject, preaction?	06:15
+perlmonkey2	if it is, I'm going to hit myself with a hammer, cause I'd never ever have used H::T :P	06:15
@preaction	ahh	06:15
@preaction	now i understand what you're asking	06:15
@preaction	that's a question you might have to ask the higher-ups	06:15
@preaction	we haven't yet moved to TT officially, but that move is in the works	06:15
+perlmonkey2	heh, I'm pretty sure it is H::T only	06:15
+perlmonkey2	oh sweet	06:16
+perlmonkey2	okay, I'll run it by da' boss	06:16
+perlmonkey2	Think this is a sign I'm doing something wrong, or just have a really complex set of data?	06:18
+perlmonkey2	_loadAnswerIntoSummary(\%{summaries->{sections}->[$sectionIndex]->{questions}->[$questionIndex]->{answers}->[++$answerIndex]},$response);	06:18
@preaction	that is a sign you're doing something wrong	06:19
@preaction	split that up. my $section = $sections->{sectionIndex}; my $question... my $answer...	06:19
+perlmonkey2	sections have questions which ahve answers, and it has to be in a single hash to be given to a template.	06:21
+perlmonkey2	But I'm not sure if that means there isn't still a way around it.	06:21
+perlmonkey2	reponse is a flat data structure though with section and question duplicated in each node until they change.....	06:22
+perlmonkey2	I'm pretty sure this is a major design flaw in having multiple ways to index objects throughout the survey. I think it broke down when I needed a way to indentify DOM objects by their survey object address.	06:23
+perlmonkey2	Maybe I need to read some more Higher Order Perl and I'll find magic.	06:24
+patspam	magic++	06:29
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+patspam	dang the curse of console.log()s left behind in js source	08:06
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10167 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/dd.js: Converted firebug console.log into YAHOO.log to unbreak Survey DnD	08:13
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+MrHairgrease	Some guy in a rain coat told me TT is gonna become a part of webgui	17:22
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+bartjol	yeah I alos heard that rumour gonzen	17:22
* MrHairgrease has the pluggable tax stuff working!		17:22
+MrHairgrease	w00t	17:22
+bartjol	and since this weekend will be the last that I have some time left, I think metroman part 2 will be coming out	17:27
+MrHairgrease	yes!	17:32
+MrHairgrease	I cannot wait to read it	17:32
* MrHairgrease is a hardcore metroman fan		17:32
+bartjol	cool mostly you need some continuity before getting fans	17:34
+MrHairgrease	true	17:35
+MrHairgrease	oh	17:35
+MrHairgrease	what sees my eye?	17:35
+MrHairgrease	time to get my key	17:35
+bartjol	indeed	17:35
+bartjol	I hope it's a nice key	17:35
+MrHairgrease	I hope so too	17:36
+MrHairgrease	laterrrr!	17:36
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@Haarg	preaction, on this bug http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10093	18:09
@Haarg	where are you seeing that?	18:10
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+perlmonkey2	hah, MrHairgrease...raincoat++	18:18
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+bartjol	perlmonkey2: MrHairgrease is long gone	18:27
+perlmonkey2	heh, my 9" netbook just arrived....he's just a little guy.	18:32
+perlDreamer	is that for reading documentation?	18:33
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: well, it's not mine, I got it for my dad for his birthday. But I'm going ot play with it a bit and see if I want my own. But I'm pretty sure that running gnometerminal on it will be just fine.	18:34
SDuensin	perlmonkey2 - I prepped a 9" netbook for my dad recently. Man it was hard to give back. :-)	18:37
+bartjol	y'all know what time it is!	18:37
* SDuensin thinks it's 5 O'Clock Somewhere.		18:38
+bartjol	17:40 even	18:38
+perlmonkey2	SDuensin: yeah, It is really really nice. Don't think the screen will be an issue, although I'm thinking I'll really have to tighten up my typing to be happen with it.	18:38
+perlDreamer	it says 17:42 here, that's even later!	18:38
@Haarg	perlDreamer, thanks for helping with bugs/tests yesterday	18:38
+bartjol	darn, well I probably won't be here until I'm a house owner	18:39
* SDuensin wants the 9" Dell you can load OS X on. :-D		18:39
+perlDreamer	you're welcome, Haarg	18:39
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+perlDreamer	after reading this: http://blog.patspam.com/2009/the-curse-of-consolelog	18:41
* perlDreamer thinks it's time to start writing guardband tests for JS		18:41
+perlDreamer	but that will have to happen later	18:41
+perlDreamer	I've got a gig at my church for part of today, so I'll see y'all this afternoon	18:42
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+perlmonkey2	Hmm, I can not type on a 9" dell keyboard.	19:19
SDuensin	You get used to them.	19:20
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10168 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Survey summary code, intermediate check in. Zero changes in function.	20:33
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10169 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Survey summary code, intermediate check in. Zero changes in function.	20:33
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10170 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.2-7.7.3.pl: Adding Survey columns	20:33
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+perlmonkey2	Haarg: I don't think I could trudge through this template without wgd. You deserve like a nobel prize or something.	21:43
@Haarg	heh	21:43
@Haarg	well i'm glad it's useful	21:44
* SDuensin needs to learn wgd.		21:47
@Haarg	it should be pretty easy to get started with	21:47
@Haarg	and if it isn't let me know what gives you trouble so i can work on it	21:48
SDuensin	I can do that. :-)	21:48
+perlmonkey2	SDuensin: it's quite remarkable just how much there is to it.	21:48
* SDuensin has been off trying to learn another huge Perl program... eBox!		21:49
SDuensin	Perl is gonna be the death of me. :-)	21:49
diakopter	or the birth.	21:50
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10172 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: setParent shouldn't check user permissions, only www_ methods should	23:10
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@preaction	I think the Edit User screen for Admins should have a "Friends" tab, no?	23:40
* perlDreamer thinks that it should just have link to the User's account		23:40
+perlDreamer	Account, even	23:41
SDuensin	Admins have no friends.	23:45
@preaction	well, then we'd have to fix Account so that Admins are able to edit things using that interface	23:45
+perlDreamer	sure	23:45
@preaction	but i don't thnk that's the plan. Admin interface will always be what it is	23:45
@preaction	i mean, it might make the Account code too complex to also be adding Administrator overrides into everything	23:45
+perlDreamer	but isn't it easier to add overrides into existing code rather than duplicating it in another place?	23:46
@preaction	the override could be deeper in the API, we might not even need to change the Account code much	23:47
@preaction	but still, it's something we'll have to wait for 8.0 to consider. there's some API cleanup we need to do on Account	23:48
@preaction	and some expansion to make for easier plugin making	23:48
+perlDreamer	did you see my RFE about JSON and the Account system?	23:48
@preaction	not yet no	23:51
+perlDreamer	I think we should do that change sooner, rather than later	23:51
+perlDreamer	with no JSON interface, it's hard to build server-side paginated YUI DataTables in Account	23:51
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: looks like it has been approved and assigned difficulty of 1.	23:59
--- Day changed Sat Apr 04 2009
+perlmonkey2	why not just implement your prototype?	00:00
+perlDreamer	nope, it hasn't been rated yet, nor approved	00:00
+perlDreamer	ya gotta check the little history section in the lower right	00:00
+perlDreamer	by default, all karma ranks are set to 1	00:00
+perlmonkey2	whups, good to know :p	00:00
+perlDreamer	it's a bug in the helpdesk	00:00
+perlDreamer	I know, I know	00:01
+perlDreamer	the irony of a bug in helpdesk software, but it is what it is	00:01
@preaction	a continue block only runs if there's another iteration of a for block to run, right?	00:03
+perlDreamer	I think it will work with a while block, too	00:03
@preaction	right, but my continue block was running even though the for block was on its last iteration :P	00:04
+perlDreamer	perldoc perlsyn	00:04
+perlDreamer	the continue block runs right before the conditional is evaluated	00:04
+perlDreamer	even if you use next	00:04
@preaction	THAT'S THE LAST TIME I EVER ASK YOU FOR HELP	00:04
@preaction	oh, damnit	00:04
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@preaction	okay. i need a tool that will go through a bunch of sites, perform a find and replace inside of a template	00:14
@preaction	packages do not work because these sites all have individual modifications since the packages were deployed between them	00:15
@preaction	the templates may or may not have the same assetId	00:15
@preaction	i would prefer something like a diff tool. perhaps I could make a diff from one template revision and then apply that diff to other template revisions?	00:15
+perlDreamer	how complex is the find and replace?	00:18
+perlDreamer	because you're applying a diff to a db column	00:19
@preaction	wgdev assetDiff create -r1 <assetId> # -r1 = changes from 2 revisions back to one revision back	00:19
@preaction	then wgdev assetDiff apply <filename> <Something...>	00:19
@Haarg	what kind of changes would this be doing?	00:21
@preaction	altering data inside of an asset, fields and such	00:22
@Haarg	you can have wgd edit use an arbitrary command, so you could have it use perl to do a regex on all of the specified assets	00:22
@preaction	oooh, also nice	00:22
@Haarg	there's also the export and import commands	00:23
@preaction	perlDreamer mentioned an export and an import. perhaps if a diff can be made from the export, then there could be a command that will take that diff and apply it	00:23
@preaction	though that would assume the export is well-formed, so maybe not	00:23
@preaction	i'll look at the edit one first	00:23
@Haarg	the import/export use the same format as edit	00:24
@preaction	anything to make this easier. i think there's about 14 sites i have to check and change	00:24
+perlDreamer	have a revision differ for WebGUI would be awesome	00:24
@Haarg	log and diff commands would be good things to add to wgd	00:24
+perlDreamer	log?	00:25
@preaction	14 sites where only a few words may differ between them. i've tried user education but to no avail, so i've just been charging them for all the time it takes me. i'd like to stop having to do that	00:25
@Haarg	just to list revisions on an asset	00:25
+perlDreamer	oh yeah	00:25
@Haarg	with the version tag info	00:25
+perlDreamer	that's good, too	00:25
+perlDreamer	is the News on the participate page of webgui.org broke because of spectre, or something else?	00:29
@preaction	i suspect because of new RSS problems	00:29
@preaction	we've got an RssFeed aspect now, might have some bugs need working out	00:30
@preaction	is there a wgd install guide somewhere?	00:30
@Haarg	should be installable just like a normal cpan dist	00:30
@preaction	i just pull from the git repo and run "perl Build.pl; make; make install" right?	00:30
@preaction	oh, you mean "cpan App::Wgd"?	00:31
@Haarg	no, i mean what you said	00:31
@preaction	ok	00:31
@Haarg	./Build && ./Build install	00:31
@Haarg	you can also check wgd -h and wgd config -h	00:32
@preaction	is there a "default" webgui_root and webgui_config value?	00:37
@Haarg	for root it checks in order: command line switches, environment variables, config file values, searching upward from current directory	00:38
@Haarg	if there is only a single config file, it is used for the config	00:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10173 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Post.pm): Fix double variables showing up in thread and post help.	00:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10174 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Post.pm): Backport help fix.	00:38
@Haarg	otherwise it needs to be specified	00:38
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@preaction	okay, so if i'm in my WebGUI root directory, it works	00:41
@preaction	but if i'm in /data and my webgui root is /data/WebGUI, it doesn't	00:41
@Haarg	it won't find it automatically, no	00:41
@preaction	k, np	00:42
@preaction	dunno why it took me this long to finally start using this :p	00:42
+perlDreamer	it's like chocolate	00:42
@preaction	bitter at first and then the greatest thing you've ever done?	00:43
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+perlDreamer	after using wgd edit template_url, wgd package --upgrade template_url a few times, I was sold	00:43
+perlDreamer	preaction: there's nothing bad to say about it	00:44
+perlDreamer	it's creamy goodness will subsume all arguments against	00:44
+perlDreamer	and it's antioxidants are good for you	00:44
@preaction	oh, but i like the bitter chocolate!	00:44
@preaction	80% cacao represent!	00:45
@Haarg	i do need to improve the user docs for getting started some	00:45
* perlDreamer recommends short blog posts		00:45
@preaction	perhaps the Build could try to autoconfigure or ask for some values from the user	00:45
@preaction	yes, blog posts would be good too	00:45
@preaction	EXPOSURE! everybody should be using this!	00:45
@Haarg	yeah, i do need to do that	00:45
@preaction	i mean, i know how you might feel about too much stuff to do to waste time on things like blog posts, but	00:46
@Haarg	i could put stuff in build, but that excludes people who don't want to install it like that	00:46
@Haarg	since there is also the option of the single file version	00:46
@Haarg	that has no installation	00:46
@Haarg	finally have a script to automate posting on sourceforge	00:58
@Haarg	that site is incredibly painful to work with	00:58
@Haarg	of course, freshmeat just changed their site, breaking the api they had for posting to it	01:01
@Haarg	so i have to wait for them to make a new api before i can automate that	01:01
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+perlDreamer	hm, must be 5:00pm in Wisconsin	01:10
daviddelikat	any body have any thoughts about where to start looking with this:	01:16
daviddelikat	env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/localhost.conf perl Session/CheckClient.t	01:16
daviddelikat	Segmentation fault	01:16
+perlDreamer	does CheckClient pull in new modules?	01:17
+perlDreamer	which OS are you running this on, and which perl?	01:17
daviddelikat	is centos	01:18
daviddelikat	the tests used to run.	01:18
+perlDreamer	what changed?	01:18
daviddelikat	it should at least ~say~ /something/ shouldn't it?	01:18
+perlDreamer	not if there's a problem with a module	01:18
daviddelikat	bt what kind of problem causes perl to segvg?	01:19
daviddelikat	segv.	01:19
daviddelikat	no typeee too good	01:19
+perlDreamer	preaction: if I build a YUI button with pure javascript, how do I get it to render into some HTML?	01:26
@preaction	perlDreamer: if i remember, you give it a container element	01:27
@preaction	and then call .render() and it should render itself in the container	01:27
+perlDreamer	okay-doke, I'll try that	01:27
+perlDreamer	we'll see how well that plays inside of DataTable formatter	01:27
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: Template Toolkit is only used by heffalumps and woozels	01:33
+perlDreamer	hm, I get a link, but no button	01:44
@preaction	yeah, that's why I hate YUI buttons	01:46
@preaction	all those "links" around the datatable in the edit mode are really YUI buttons...	01:47
+perlDreamer	maybe they don't work right inside datatables?	01:49
* perlDreamer is going to try some other things		01:50
@preaction	the links i'm referring to are outside the datatable	01:50
@preaction	i think it has to do with where the class=yui-skin-sam is located	01:50
@preaction	but i don't know	01:50
+perlDreamer	well, the buttons I'm trying to make are inside cells of the datatable	01:50
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: you are a heffalump-ist obviously.	01:50
+perlDreamer	well, I'd be pro TT if it wasn't written by jagulars	01:51
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+perlDreamer	oh, and the buttons render without a .render	01:53
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+perlmonkey2	yay, I've got an ajax call that needs to reload the entire page.	02:18
+perlmonkey2	this is going to require some stupid clockwork.	02:18
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+perlDreamer	preaction, I got a button to render, but it wasn't easy	02:40
+perlDreamer	I had to manually put in the whole control HTML sequence	02:40
+perlDreamer	never mind, I lied	02:41
+perlDreamer	the button still isn't created	02:41
+perlDreamer	it just looks right	02:41
+perlDreamer	what if...	02:47
+perlDreamer	I mean, since this is called inside of a formatter, what if the formatting hasn't been applied yet?	02:48
+perlDreamer	which means that when I try to call new Button, it doesn't do anything	02:48
+perlDreamer	since the thing I told it to make a button out of doesn't exist yet!	02:48
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10175 /WebGUI/t/Group.t: Add a few tests for Group coverage.	06:12
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10176 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Update from translation server	11:35
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10177 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added Carousel wobject	20:28
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+perlDreamer	preaction: are you awake?	20:38
daviddelikat	perlDreamer: can you give me a good example of form processing in WG?	20:41
+perlDreamer	$session->form->process('variableName', 'formType');	20:41
+perlDreamer	What exactly are you looking for?	20:42
daviddelikat	how does it handle invalid data?	20:42
+perlDreamer	well, it depends	20:43
+perlDreamer	several of the forms do post processing on their inputs	20:44
+perlDreamer	for example, the Phone Form plugin restricts valid characters	20:44
+perlDreamer	if it isn't handled in the Form plugin, you have to do it yourself	20:44
+perlDreamer	what kind of form processing problem are you having?	20:45
daviddelikat	sorry, I was checking on an install...	20:48
daviddelikat	there is no validaton on my fm	20:48
daviddelikat	form	20:48
daviddelikat	I only have three things to validate	20:49
daviddelikat	non-empty strings, integers and a URL	20:49
daviddelikat	sorry four -- a valid image	20:50
+perlDreamer	there are plugins for integers and URLs that validate	20:50
+perlDreamer	non-empty strings you must do yourself	20:50
+perlDreamer	as for the image, what's valid in an image?	20:50
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+perlDreamer	is it the presence?	20:50
daviddelikat	what do I use to post a message to the user?	20:50
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daviddelikat	just needs to be a valid image file	20:51
+perlDreamer	if this for www_edit?	20:51
daviddelikat	where do validation messags go?	20:51
daviddelikat	no just www_view	20:51
+perlDreamer	I would modify www_view to accept a parameter, an array_ref of error messages	20:52
+perlDreamer	if the data fails to validate, then do not save the data, call www_view with the list of error messages	20:52
+perlDreamer	then add template variable to www_view to display the errors	20:53
daviddelikat	ok	20:53
+perlDreamer	brb	21:02
+perlDreamer	back	21:53
+perlDreamer	time to do yardwork, later everyone	22:20
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10178 /translations/German/German/Asset_Survey.pm: Update from translation server	00:22
+perlmonkey2	Think it is poor form to forward to this: $self->url."?func=showSummary"	00:24
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+perlmonkey2	hmm, setting the javascript "location.href = response.url;" to $self->get('url') doesn't work. seems the relative url gets appended to the current address instead of the hostname	03:41
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+perlmonkey2	nope, somehow the code got borked.	06:03
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+perlmonkey2	yay, my house caught on fire, lots of technical issues, had to add new hooks, but the survey now has summaries for users in quiz mode.	22:40
nuba	what, you mean real fire in your real house?	22:45
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10185 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Summaries added to the survey	22:52
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+patspam	Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org	02:09
+patspam	After you ask, update the wiki?	02:09
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+perlmonkey2	nuba: yeah, a real fire.	04:00
+perlmonkey2	Just sitting in the living room working and the wall goes whump, then smoke starts pouring out of the fan dimmer switch.	04:00
+perlmonkey2	So I run to the breaker, flip the master, grab a saw from the garage and a fire extuinguisher, saw open the wall to check for fire, but there was just smoldering wires. Switch was just a bad switch. But what was scary is that the 20 amp breaker didn't flip.	04:01
nuba	whoa that sucks	04:02
nuba	and sounds like a big mess	04:02
nuba	good thing you were around to notice it	04:03
+perlmonkey2	no kidding, if we wouldn't have been home, we could have lost the whole house.	04:04
nuba	these things in a empty house can go awry	04:04
+perlmonkey2	But it isn't too big of a mess. Just a small hole around the switch. And I'm calling for an electrician to rewire it and check the rest of the house tomorrow :P	04:04
+perlmonkey2	patspam: ping	04:05
+patspam	perlmonkey2: pong	04:07
+patspam	holy crapola about your fire perlmonkey!	04:07
+perlmonkey2	patspam: heh, fun times.	04:08
nuba	we have some component in our apartment's wiring called a nominal residual current (DR) that detects realy small variations in the current (30mA) so that power is cut at right away when a person or animal gets shocked or something like a short-circuit happens	04:09
+patspam	I can just see you.. should i snip the blue wire, or the green wire..	04:09
nuba	you probably have these there too, check with your eletrician, i know siemens has it and it should be priced at about $50 or so	04:10
+perlmonkey2	nuba: sweet, I'll have to check into that.	04:12
nuba	i think you need 2 or 3 times the capacity of a breaker to make it flip, but i can be wrong on that	04:13
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CIA-38	WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10186 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Session/Env.pm i18n/English/Asset_AdSku.pm Asset/Sku/Ad.pm):	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: comment out the ip filter from clientCheck (in Session::Env)	08:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: added form validation to AdSku ( with internationalized messages )	08:00
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10187 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added Carousel wobject icon	11:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10188 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.3/root_import_carousel_carousel-default.wgpkg:	11:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: Updated Carousel javascript so that it works with multiple instances on	11:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: the same page	11:02
LTR_bob	The 2009 schedule is online: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/schedule	11:42
LTR_bob	De WebGUI::CRUD presentatie naast de mijne had ik ook wel heen gewild :P	11:50
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10189 /translations/Croatian/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	17:41
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topsub	I have a question, I have a file upload in the www_editVariant inside my custom product. The client is trying to upload a html file. but it seems webgui changes it to a txt file. Is there a way i can stop this?	17:59
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+perlDreamer	morning, folks	18:12
@tavisto	good morning perlDreamer	18:15
topsub	morning	18:16
+perlDreamer	hey, topsub! Haven't heard from you in a long time.	18:17
topsub	hehe ya.. forgetting to get on IRC. come into work and just jump to work	18:17
topsub	pd, did you happen to see my question?	18:19
+perlDreamer	no, I'm sorry I didn't.	18:19
topsub	i have join / hide message turned off	18:19
+perlDreamer	I came in at 8:17	18:19
topsub	I have a question, I have a file upload in the www_editVariant inside my custom product. The client is trying to upload a html file. but it seems webgui changes it to a txt file. Is there a way i can stop this?	18:19
+perlDreamer	that is an XSS prevention measure in Storage.pm	18:20
topsub	thats what i thought it would be	18:20
+perlDreamer	you can work around it by using a ZipArchive	18:20
topsub	client is trying to upload an HTML page to redirect users	18:20
+perlDreamer	Is using the Redirect Asset an option?	18:21
topsub	We have custom products the client can add to a system, then the can add "Brochure" just happens this Brochure is another website url	18:21
+perlDreamer	I see. That makes sense	18:21
topsub	So he is kinding using it in a way we didn't build it for. if that mkes sense	18:21
topsub	we mean for him to just upload pdfs	18:21
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topsub	are you saying if he zips up the file and then uploads it, it will work?	18:22
+perlDreamer	no	18:22
topsub	so really it seems this could be a change request	18:22
+perlDreamer	yes	18:22
* perlDreamer was thinking that there was a Product feature for remote URLs		18:22
+perlDreamer	but what the customer wants is different still	18:23
topsub	ya.. thanks a lot pd!	18:23
+perlDreamer	and the Product only really supports "local" URLs for related products, and accessories.	18:23
topsub	i think the client knows he is pushing how we built it.	18:24
+perlDreamer	well, at this point I've pretty concretely concluded that you cannot add a YUI button to a DataTable using only a custom formatter.	18:25
+perlDreamer	it needs additional magic	18:25
+perlmonkey2	Any idea when we move the YUI to 2.7?	18:26
+perlDreamer	no clue, maybe preaction or Haarg have ?an idea	18:27
+perlmonkey2	Charts has some pretty major bug fixes, and data table even gets some love.	18:27
@Haarg	there hasn't been any discussion of that, but i'll ask jt tomorrow	18:28
+perlmonkey2	thanks Haarg	18:28
@Haarg	it should be fine to upgrade in the 7.7 betas at some point	18:29
@Haarg	although there will be some work involved	18:29
+perlmonkey2	Haarg: what kind of issues do you foresee?	18:30
@Haarg	i know at least a few places we're using -beta modules	18:30
@Haarg	which will likely be stable in 2.7 or could have their api changed	18:31
+perlDreamer	yes	18:33
+perlDreamer	I think element went stable in 2.7	18:34
+perlDreamer	maybe we need a test for that	18:34
+perlDreamer	picks up calls to the extras macro, and see if the files actually resolve or not	18:34
@Haarg	sounds like wgd needs a grep command	18:40
+perlDreamer	or an ack command? :)	18:40
@Haarg	something like that	18:41
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+perlmonkey2	oh sweet....YUI3.x has the seed object. Costs 7k, but dynamically loads all libraries required for any objects you create.	18:49
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10190 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm: Survey quiz mode sentence is not a question.	19:02
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+perlmonkey2	What about a View side paradigm shift. Where templates become more of simple scaffolding on which to hang JS widgets. Almost all View code is removed from the server side and placed entirely on the client?	19:17
+perlDreamer	sounds expensive	19:21
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: More so than this hybrid of template and YUI code?	19:22
+perlmonkey2	Which half the View logic on the server and half on the client?	19:22
+perlDreamer	why does an article need JS?	19:22
+perlmonkey2	handling comments?	19:22
* SDuensin recommends Cappuccino for major paradigm shifting. :-P		19:23
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: and that seems like one of the view wobjects that is not interactive.	19:25
+perlDreamer	that's because it's only supposed to display static content	19:25
+perlmonkey2	Plus it appears that an ajax call to display data on an already rendered page, occurs much faster than a GET/POST.	19:26
+perlmonkey2	full page rerender.	19:26
+perlDreamer	I wouldn't argue that AJAX can be faster than a full page reload	19:28
+perlDreamer	I just question whether or not we need to drop templating in favor of AJAX for all content shown to the user	19:28
+perlDreamer	but maybe I'm misinterpreting what you meant earlier	19:28
+perlmonkey2	Anyways, did I mention I was attacked my a dozen velociraptors yesterday?	19:28
+perlDreamer	did they have lasers on their heads?	19:29
+perlmonkey2	I'm not saying drop templates, just make an effort to move more of the VIEW logic into the client.	19:29
+perlDreamer	maybe I need a concrete example of what you're talking about.	19:29
+perlmonkey2	No, I was plowing a field and their the mighty decendents of the raptors were swarming the field for the field mice who no longer had any concealment. One of the coolest things I've ever experienced. One just hovered over my head for a bit, so close I might have been able to touch him, starring at the back of the tractor (it was really windy, so one direction they could hover without moving).	19:30
@preaction	i don't mean to dash hopes here, but pure JS websites are currently universally considered a Bad Idea	19:31
+perlDreamer	that sounds way cool, perlmonkey2	19:31
@preaction	by most of the older hands at least. give it some times and you'll become one of them too	19:31
+perlmonkey2	heh	19:31
@preaction	there are limits in the technology that make important edge cases impossible to overcome	19:32
+perlDreamer	do screen readers have javascript built into them yet?	19:32
+perlmonkey2	I'm not saying don't use templating anymore, just move more of the logic to the client.	19:32
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: YUI has some sort of freakishly cool screen reader widget.	19:33
+perlmonkey2	at least the demo I just saw for 3.x was sweet.	19:33
@preaction	i'm saying that's the problem, the more logic you put into the client, the more you have to rely on standards and things not in your control (that the client has these capabilities, or that they're the same as another client)	19:33
+perlmonkey2	ah	19:33
@preaction	if we could control the client, we could do a lot of fun stuff	19:34
+perlDreamer	in other words, if everybody used Firefox, our lives would be a lot easier?	19:34
+perlmonkey2	heh	19:34
@preaction	but as it is, we're still dealing with IE6 bull-excrement	19:34
@preaction	anyway, bbl, someone else can have the soapbox for now	19:34
* deafferret snatches it, runs		19:41
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+perlDreamer	crud, now there's on soap	21:08
+perlDreamer	no soap, either	21:08
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10191 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js: fixed a matrix search/compare button javascript problem	21:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10192 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js: fixed a matrix search/compare button problem	21:41
@preaction	soap, there's no crud	21:45
+perlDreamer	I beg to differ	21:50
+perlDreamer	WebGUI has crud, but no soap	21:50
+perlDreamer	and if you've ever been around perlDreamer after he goes running...	21:51
+perlDreamer	soap is not an option	21:51
+perlDreamer	when ya come home, and even the dog won't say hi to ya...	21:52
+perlDreamer	well, 'nuff said.	21:52
* perlDreamer goes running, and then soaping		21:52
* deafferret eats a block of cream cheese		21:57
+perlmonkey2	trying to sex up the survey summaries a bit. There isn't really a good way to show section, question, and answer data in a single datatable, is there?	22:20
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10193 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): partial solution for rfe #9965	23:05
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10194 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton: unset package flag recursively during upgrades	23:05
@preaction	heh, clever	23:12
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Mech422	blarggle	23:57
+perlDreamer	Mech422: care to expand on that?	23:59
--- Day changed Tue Apr 07 2009
Mech422	nothing special - just monday :-P	00:00
Mech422	trying to figure out what going on	00:00
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Mech422	Can you 'layer' content regions in wG ? for instance can I have a template with a user editable header/footer areay that is used to display user editable 'pages' ?	00:40
+perlDreamer	sounds like a dashboard	00:43
@preaction	yes, but how much work you need to do depends on how well you can explain how you want it to work	00:43
+perlDreamer	hah, beat you, preaction!	00:43
@preaction	yes, but i'm more technically correct!	00:43
@preaction	also you stole my soap	00:44
+perlDreamer	no, I used the shampoo on my pits	00:44
+perlDreamer	we need to get deafferret and have him return the box	00:44
Mech422	I am recasting http://osc3.template-help.com/joomla_17569/ for use in wG	00:45
Mech422	I'd like the theme to be used for all pages of a particular type etc etc	00:46
Mech422	but I'd like the client to be able to edit the logo and footer for the theme	00:46
@preaction	okay, they'll be able to edit any part of it.	00:47
Mech422	(in one spot, and not on every page)	00:47
@preaction	but, if you want, you can make those be Snippets and use ^AssetProxy();	00:47
@preaction	look on the webgui.org site for "Snippets", there are a lot of fun ways to use them to make your life easier	00:47
Mech422	ahh - snippets.. thats a good idea	00:47
Mech422	thanks preaction	00:49
@preaction	don't go overboard though, they tend to get annoying	00:49
@preaction	at least for me, when i have to go into someone's site	00:49
@preaction	Articles might be good too, then they get the WYSIWYG editor	00:50
Mech422	that would be good	00:50
@preaction	but then they have more freedom to screw up your design	00:50
Mech422	yeah - thats their problem :-P This client is pretty good about that..	00:51
Mech422	the broke their plone site over the weekend by 'moving' the portlets folder :-p	00:51
Mech422	and just owned up and said they wouldn't do it again :-)	00:52
@preaction	you can, just by moving a folder, screw up an entire site in Plone?	00:53
Mech422	preaction - sure same as in wG	00:53
@preaction	which folder?	00:53
Mech422	if you move this: ^AssetProxy(theme018/mainMenu); - its gonna break my wG site	00:53
@preaction	actually no	00:54
@preaction	you'd have to change its URL	00:54
@preaction	that would break it	00:54
Mech422	anything that relies on path names can be broken by stuff moving	00:54
@preaction	and you can hide URL via UILevel if you're paranoid	00:54
Mech422	I mean if you move them018/mainMenu to theme018/mainMenu.old or something	00:54
@preaction	Another way wG is superior	00:54
@preaction	yeah, you would have to explicitly change the URL field, that would be the only way ;)	00:55
Mech422	LOL actualy no having used both - I can find just as many creative ways to break both	00:55
@preaction	keep finding them, and then RFE ways to fix them (or some of them might even be bugs)	00:55
@preaction	i am all for making WebGUI user-bulletproof	00:55
Mech422	the wG is 'superior' stuff mainly stems from a lack of understanding of what plone can do - both are _very_ capable systems - they are just very different	00:55
@preaction	i would say that if you can break WebGUI from the web interface, that is considered a bug	00:56
@preaction	we can prevent accidents, but not malice of course	00:56
Mech422	right	00:56
@preaction	i suppose technically the assetproxy would work even after that URL changed... for a few months at least ;)	00:57
Mech422	? you mean assuming the cached version was around? no reboots etc etc ?	00:58
Mech422	(btw - one cool thing in plone is multi-level undo - changes are transactional, so I was able to 'undo' the moving of the folder, plus about 20 other changes made after that in one shot...)	00:59
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@preaction	not cached, previous revision. assets respond (or last i knew responded) to all URLs they may have formerly used (until you use Change URL or the revision gets auto-cleaned)	01:00
@preaction	yeah, lineage isn't versionable right now :(	01:00
@preaction	nor is deletion	01:00
Mech422	hmm - thats intestering	01:00
@preaction	well, in so much as it leaves the trash	01:00
Mech422	trying to decide if I like that or not - I hate 'magic' stuff like that - always seems to bite you at the wrong time	01:01
@preaction	two options for the AssetProxy problem: one, have assets being called by AssetProxy set a flag to say "This asset is being accessed by its URL from another part of the system, changing the URL may break something."	01:02
@preaction	or two, allowing individual properties to be locked by individual users/groups	01:02
@preaction	i don't like two, for reasons of it being a huge potential problem with a very small return	01:02
Mech422	3.) refer by uuid and re-construct proper url at request time	01:02
@preaction	oh, you can do that with the AssetProxy already	01:03
@preaction	^AssetProxy("assetId",1); <- the 1 means "the first arg is an assetId"	01:03
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Mech422	I tend to like uuids... but thats just me	01:03
Mech422	oh cool	01:04
@preaction	there are a lot of macros that use URL for an argument, when the new practice is to use the guids	01:04
@preaction	well, to be fair, there weren't guids back then	01:04
Mech422	prolly a bit faster too as it saves you a url to uid lookup ?	01:04
@preaction	not really. url is an indexed column	01:04
Mech422	ahh	01:04
@preaction	i mean, it would have to be really	01:04
Mech422	the 'full' url or just the 'leaf' portion ?	01:05
@preaction	it's not like you have to look up the ID and then instance the asset, you can instance with the URL	01:05
@preaction	the absolute URL, minus gateway and hostname	01:05
@preaction	(and protocol of course)	01:05
Mech422	nice	01:05
Mech422	a bit long potentially - but fast for lookups	01:06
@preaction	the Gateway thing is another fun one I've not seen in other systems, it allows you to run two distinct webgui sites on the same hostname. hostname/one/ and hostname/two/ can be two different sites	01:07
@preaction	just by changing one config value	01:07
Mech422	yeah - plone does that via the 'virtual host monster'	01:07
@preaction	probably not hard for other systems though	01:07
@preaction	uh... virtual host monster?	01:07
+perlDreamer	Mech422: plone versions content location?	01:07
Mech422	yeah - you can map plone folders to different virtual hosts	01:08
Mech422	or even do 'inside out' hosting where plone content is 'inserted' into an existing site tree	01:08
@preaction	nice	01:08
Mech422	perlDreamer: Plone (Zope) versions _objects_ - so everything can be versioned	01:09
Mech422	Umm - you use Moose or Poe or something to do that in Perl, right ?	01:09
@preaction	we could do the same thing, make a table worth of undo info	01:09
@preaction	Mech422: no, we don't use an ORM currently	01:09
Mech422	ahh - I mean 'to put it in perl speak - it uses moose or poe type technology' ?	01:10
@preaction	no, neither of those are ORM systems	01:10
Mech422	dam - 0 for 2	01:10
* Mech422 shuts up now		01:10
@preaction	moose is a way to build classes, poe is a "cooperative multi-tasking environment"	01:11
Mech422	when I left perl, so state table like framework was all the rage for perl stuff	01:12
Mech422	never got into or understood why people were so excited by it - state table based code has been around for dogs years	01:13
Mech422	s/so/some/	01:13
deafferret	why people were some excited by it?	01:14
Mech422	sorry - 'some state table like'	01:14
Mech422	I should just give up and go back to bed	01:14
Mech422	:-P	01:14
deafferret	:)	01:15
+perlDreamer	it also depends on the type of object you're versioning	01:16
+perlDreamer	WebGUI has two ways of determining parentage	01:16
+perlDreamer	the official way is via lineage	01:17
+perlDreamer	which isn't versioned	01:17
+perlDreamer	the other way is via parentId	01:17
+perlDreamer	if parentId was the only way, then you could do full site versions	01:17
+perlDreamer	but with lineage it's not so easy	01:17
* perlDreamer waits for preaction to come and fill in the gaps in that reasoning		01:18
@preaction	parentId is not versioned either, currently	01:20
@preaction	and yes, lineage + versioning would be weird because the revision you're looking at could be constantly changing. you need to know the lineage before you know the revisionDate	01:20
@preaction	also, it gets flakey when you get into clipboard and clipboard-limbo and trash-limbo	01:21
+perlDreamer	asset states get less flakey with autocommit, though, right?	01:22
@preaction	state is not versioned, so doesn't matter	01:22
Mech422	hmm - I think that state table stuff was poe	01:22
@preaction	status is versioned	01:22
@preaction	no. POE is a multi-tasking environment	01:22
@preaction	i mean, POE may have a different definition of the word "state"	01:23
Mech422	yeah - I think it was POE - the docs mention POE::NFA	01:24
Mech422	I think it used 'events' for 'edges' in the state table... Ie transfering state on receipt of an 'event'	01:25
* perlDreamer is getting closer to writing an i18n label searcher for the UI		01:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10195 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added 'too few/many' messages to matrix compare box, rfe# 9965	01:28
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+perlDreamer	hey, patspam!	03:29
+patspam	hola!	03:29
+perlDreamer	I was wondering if there was any news on the leaky Editor front, from YUI?	03:30
+patspam	http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2512149	03:31
+patspam	last modified 2 months ago	03:32
+perlDreamer	they must be occupied with YUI3	03:32
+patspam	yeah, I reckon	03:32
+perlDreamer	it's a good thing we're not that way, with WebGUI	03:32
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10196 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (_NewAsset.skeleton Wobject/_NewWobject.skeleton): add metadata processing to skeleton prepareView	03:55
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@preaction	I do not cook nearly enough 3- and 4-course meals...	05:10
+patspam	anyone know how to create long arguments like '--my-long-argument' with Getopt::Long?	05:12
+patspam	wgd won't let me have an arg with a dash in the middle	05:13
@preaction	oh, you should probably use camelcase	05:13
@preaction	that might be the convention we're going with	05:13
+patspam	ah ok	05:13
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+perlDreamer	all, I'm planning on releasing another version of the WebGUI Network News next weekend	07:16
+perlDreamer	please email/IM me with news and stories and questions	07:16
+perlDreamer	I gotta remember to do this during then day, when more people are awake	07:17
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: where can I get previous issues?	07:17
+perlDreamer	except for preaction, who never sleeps	07:17
+perlDreamer	perldreamer.com/blog	07:17
+perlDreamer	but you'll have to give me feedback tomorrow, because I'm crashing out tonight	07:18
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10197 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Some fixes to the way Survey handles recordedAnswer, value, etc..	10:45
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+SynQ	can someone assign this bug to me? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10021	16:00
@Haarg	done	16:12
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+perlmonkey2	Haarg: You affected by the downtown evacuation?	16:34
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deafferret	evac of where?	17:02
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+perlmonkey2	deafferret: The Canadians invaded this morning. A Canadian fighter jet (Cessna 172) flew over Madison causing the capitol building to be momentarily evacuated.	17:07
+perlmonkey2	Looks like it was just some kid at a Canadian flight school who took a joy ride that went really really bad.	17:08
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@Haarg	perlmonkey2, that was only the capitol building it appears	17:15
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nuba	you call this a canadian fighter jet? http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/06/plane-stolen.html	17:19
@plainhao	$500,000 of u.s. money spent on the joy ride	17:19
nuba	thats a crappy looking cessna 172	17:20
@plainhao	that's all the canadians can afford	17:20
nuba	heh	17:20
* plainhao thinks u.s. should switch to flying cessna 172s too		17:20
nuba	they say he refused to communicate with authorities	17:21
nuba	maybe he was trying bringing "suicide by cop" to a new level	17:21
nuba	from ground level to a few thousand feets :D	17:22
nuba	or rather, "suicide by F16"	17:22
nuba	sounds way cooler	17:22
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nuba	no shit, looks like thats really what he was after http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iC5xvmRlmutpYgkeMsfKk4QV4qjwD97DKFUO0	17:25
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zylopfa	I have a question regarding a mysql query when transfering some data and webgui'ize it	17:28
zylopfa	update TFT_stories, userProfileData set TFT_stories.author=userProfileData.userId where userProfileData.id=TFT_stories.author;	17:28
zylopfa	is my query, but it seems to take forever	17:29
zylopfa	its only about 14k stories i need to have updated with their new author id, which is the users webgui id	17:29
CIA-38	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1347ce6 / (20 files in 5 dirs): various POD improvements - http://bit.ly/NKsje	17:34
CIA-38	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5d38c2f / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : avoid autocommit and notice sending - http://bit.ly/kDEpm	17:34
CIA-38	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r2fe466f / (5 files in 2 dirs): complete POD coverage - http://bit.ly/eZBHv	17:34
@Haarg	if the field types of those don't match up that could slow it down a lot	17:35
zylopfa	Haarg, i found out i forgot to change the new author id to varchar(22) bin :(	17:35
zylopfa	the query ended now after 22 minutes	17:35
zylopfa	maybe the warnings make it slow?	17:36
+SynQ	hmm	17:36
zylopfa	still weird it takes 22 min for just 14k updates	17:37
+perlmonkey2	nuba: I guess moving to the other side of the world can be a bit stressful.	17:38
zylopfa	I am converting a 10.000 user site to webgui	17:40
zylopfa	the userimport utility script is genius for that	17:40
zylopfa	Haarg, the query i wrote can you do that i mysql? when i use the field i wish to update in the where clause?	17:42
zylopfa	I know you can in perl but not sure it work in mysql?	17:42
@Haarg	as far as i know that i fine	17:43
zylopfa	is it normal it takes 20+ minutes for 14k stories that has to change its author id from a table of 11k users?	17:44
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zylopfa	I just googled it and someone have a query like it which takes several hours	17:56
zylopfa	Its just strange as its a simple update	17:57
+SynQ	whoohoo I have resolved a bug :) http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10021	17:57
zylopfa	Awesome!	17:58
zylopfa	Thanks a lot	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10198 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): Reverted Proc::ProcessTable to version 0.44 due to bug 10021.	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10199 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh):	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: updated downloadlinks for berkeley db, libjpeg	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: updated lftp to 3.7.11	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10200 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh):	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: Updated perl modules:	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: POE-1.004	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: Text-CSV_XS-0.64	17:58
@tavisto	nice job SynQ	17:59
+SynQ	now if only I could get to talk to JT for 5 minutes	17:59
+SynQ	so I can convince him to release the updated SVN for WRE as 0.9.2	17:59
@tavisto	JT was out sick yesterday and it sounds like he's still not feeling well today	18:00
zylopfa	:(	18:00
+SynQ	in that case I'll send an e-mail to the dev-list	18:00
+SynQ	done that	18:04
zylopfa	GooD!	18:04
zylopfa	damn this query has taken 15 min so far :(	18:04
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@Haarg	if you are messing with the wre, can you update XML::TreePP and XML::FeedPP to the latest?	18:11
zylopfa	Woohoo the query is done! 32 min and 33 seconds	18:11
+SynQ	Haarg: sure thing	18:11
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nuba	zylopfa: you should check this http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/explain.html	18:18
nuba	if you want more info about whats going on with your query taking that long	18:18
zylopfa	ahh awesome! thanks a lot!	18:18
zylopfa	I will use that from now on	18:18
+SynQ	Haarg: any other modules?	18:18
@Haarg	nope	18:18
zylopfa	Good thing is that the 30min query was a one time select/update query. I am migrating some data and updating some id's	18:19
+SynQ	Haarg: do you want Test::Class into the WRE?	18:21
@Haarg	hmm	18:21
@Haarg	not sure what we decided for that	18:21
@Haarg	probably not	18:21
@Haarg	since it is broken on some platforms	18:22
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+SynQ	WebGUI beta is complaining about that module in testEnvironment.pl	18:22
@Haarg	well, not it directly, but one of its prereqs	18:22
@Haarg	i'll ask perlDreamer what he thinks when he gets on	18:22
+SynQ	ok	18:23
@Haarg	we can't use it currently, so i'm thinking we should pull it from testEnvironment.pl	18:23
+SynQ	updated TreePP and FeedPP are in	18:23
@Haarg	thanks	18:23
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zylopfa	nuba, the explain thing is real awesome, now i can also see which index i have to create in order to make normal queries faster	18:27
zylopfa	Hahah nice i got a query down from 0.25 seconds to 0.00 seconds by making some index on a field used in the query	18:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10201 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh):	18:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: Updated perlmodules:	18:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: Class-C3-XS-0.11	18:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: Class-C3-0.21	18:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: XML-TreePP-0.38	18:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: XML-FeedPP-0.40	18:28
nuba	zylopfa: keep in mind mysql has to keep indexes updated, so dont go trigger happy creating indexes everywhere	18:31
zylopfa	nuba, indeed but its important.I have a collection of stories and a make lists of newest stories by date	18:32
zylopfa	so i made the date-posted field an index	18:32
nuba	zylopfa: this is also your friend http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/slow-query-log.html	18:33
zylopfa	Awesome thanks a lot nuba !	18:34
nuba	np, have fun!	18:34
zylopfa	thanks a lot	18:34
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+perlDreamer	well, that's two calls for a non-PDF WebGUI newsletter	18:51
+perlDreamer	everyone, last Saturday I released issue #1 of the WebGUI Network News	18:52
+perlDreamer	you can grab a copy from my blog, perldreamer.com/blog	18:52
zylopfa	awesome perlDreamer i will take a look!	18:52
+perlDreamer	I'd be interested in a straw poll of IRC folk who think it should be HTML vs PDF	18:52
zylopfa	Jesus i was a noob when i first made this :(	18:53
zylopfa	I have no keys in many of the large talbes	18:54
zylopfa	tables	18:54
deafferret	can it be printed on bacon?	18:54
zylopfa	Yeah I want it on bacon!!	18:54
+perlDreamer	deafferret, if your printer is bacon enabled, it will	18:54
+perlDreamer	just be sure to use edible ink	18:54
* deafferret buys more cartridges		18:54
zylopfa	my printer is 600 bps	18:54
zylopfa	= bacon pr. second	18:54
@preaction	do we have a tool that will scan my asset tables for broken items?	18:55
+perlDreamer	yes	18:55
+perlDreamer	t/Asset/Asset_diagnose.t	18:55
@preaction	ok, thanks	18:55
+perlDreamer	it needs some switches/environment variables to work, iirc	18:55
@preaction	is it safe to run on production?	18:55
+perlDreamer	it only does reads	18:55
@preaction	k	18:56
@preaction	oh, it uses Test::Deep, so it won't tell me ALL of the possible problems, just one of them at a time :(	18:57
+perlDreamer	The problem I have with it being HTML is that I really don't like using TinyMCE, but I guess I can get over it	18:57
+perlDreamer	preaction, Test::Deep used to tell you all the problems	18:57
@preaction	you can use some other program and then paste it into the TinyMCE	18:57
+perlDreamer	if you wish, change it to use Test::Differences	18:57
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+perlDreamer	SynQ, bopbop, what are you thoughts on the newsletter?	18:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10202 /wrebuild/getperlmodules.sh: forgot to use $CPANMIRROR	19:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10203 /wrebuild/getperlmodules.sh: Class-C3-XS-0.11 has a different author	19:00
+SynQ	perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.nl	19:03
+SynQ	it is awesome	19:03
+perlDreamer	thanks for the link, SynQ!	19:04
+SynQ	perlDreamer: I'm sure you are running for the award named after you this year! :)	19:04
+perlDreamer	I'm ineligible for that award	19:04
+perlDreamer	they'll have to come up with a new one :)	19:04
+SynQ	hehe	19:05
+SynQ	you know what is peculiar	19:05
+perlDreamer	what's that?	19:05
+SynQ	now that my RFE on 'last post' has been implemented	19:05
+SynQ	you can see that of the people on this list: http://www.webgui.org/wg/karma	19:06
+SynQ	you are the first one from the top that actually posts to webgui.org	19:06
+SynQ	I don't even know who Emil is	19:06
+SynQ	let alone what he has received karma for	19:06
+SynQ	my guess is he is a rockstar	19:07
+perlDreamer	that is probably true	19:07
+SynQ	that has logged into WebGUI.org 9 times :)	19:07
+SynQ	hence the 45009 and not 45000 like biskitmiller	19:07
@preaction	we give karma with our rockstar clients now?	19:08
+perlDreamer	I thought that logging in was 2 karma, so perhaps 2 logins, and 1 post?	19:08
zylopfa	nuba the explain dont work for update queries :( and its the ones i make now that will propably take all night if i dont make indexes :(	19:08
+SynQ	no posts	19:08
+SynQ	posts would show in the 'contributions' page of that user	19:08
+perlDreamer	maybe	19:08
+SynQ	oh tiffany has made some contributions	19:08
+SynQ	mainly articles	19:08
+perlDreamer	not all assets show up in the contributions	19:08
+SynQ	oh	19:09
zylopfa	aha Koen are you checking us out?	19:09
zylopfa	I have 400 something karma :D	19:09
zylopfa	titlandata is my id on there	19:09
+SynQ	zylopfa: I'm looking at those special people at the top of the karma list	19:09
zylopfa	like perlDreamer	19:10
+SynQ	indeed	19:10
zylopfa	isnt he on the top?	19:10
+SynQ	nope	19:10
+perlDreamer	nope	19:10
+SynQ	Emil is	19:10
zylopfa	ahh yeah	19:10
+perlDreamer	I've been giving my karma away for bugfixes and translations	19:10
+SynQ	but perlDreamer is the true person to look up to	19:10
zylopfa	yeah isn't there also a Colin K. award?	19:10
zylopfa	or how his name is spelled	19:11
+SynQ	zylopfa: http://perldreamer.com/perldreamer	19:11
zylopfa	Colin Kuskie award!	19:11
zylopfa	ha also wrote the test chapter in the developers book	19:12
+SynQ	oh and perlDreamer: I vote for the non PDF version of WNN too	19:13
+SynQ	so that makes 3	19:13
zylopfa	4 for me	19:13
+perlDreamer	Okay, I'll start up a CS for it, then	19:13
+perlDreamer	and backport issue #1 into it	19:13
zylopfa	perlDreamer, are you good with sql?	19:13
+perlDreamer	no	19:14
zylopfa	ok :D	19:14
+perlDreamer	what is it you're trying to do, zylopfa?	19:15
zylopfa	ok here is what, i have an old site i make to run in webgui	19:15
zylopfa	but i have to update some userid fields to the new webgui userids, that my users got when i imported thm	19:15
zylopfa	I have a table with 2million entries which logs views of different storiy id's	19:16
zylopfa	and they are listed with what user viewed the story	19:16
zylopfa	so i need to update each of the 2 million entries with the new user id	19:16
zylopfa	update TFT_storyview, userProfileData set TFT_storyview.user=userProfileData.userId where userProfileData.id=TFT_storyview.user;	19:16
zylopfa	this is how i do it in mysql	19:16
+perlDreamer	okay	19:17
zylopfa	userProfileData.id is the old sites user id	19:17
zylopfa	but i made a similar update earlier with only 10k things that should be changed and it took 30 min	19:17
zylopfa	so i am afraid this query will take most of the day as there are 2million updates	19:17
+SynQ	dinner!	19:17
+perlDreamer	sure	19:17
+perlDreamer	and the site is live?	19:18
zylopfa	not now :D	19:18
zylopfa	implementing it atm.	19:18
zylopfa	the live site is up and running on the old system	19:18
zylopfa	so i am not interfering with it	19:19
zylopfa	still a whole day is a long time for updating something in sql	19:19
+perlDreamer	I have only 1 suggestion, and that is not to do the join, but to use perl to cache the id->userId data	19:19
zylopfa	its basically statistics data for the stories, who viewed them, when and how many times	19:19
+perlDreamer	and I don't know if it would be faster	19:19
zylopfa	yeah good idea, so i make a select first and then make an update using the select data?	19:20
+perlDreamer	yes	19:21
+perlDreamer	get a list of the unique ids in the storyview table	19:21
+perlDreamer	actually, you can skip that	19:21
+perlDreamer	use buildHashRef to make a lookup table from the userProfileData	19:21
+perlDreamer	then for each entry in the table, do a blanket replace for all of that user's data in the storyview table	19:22
+perlDreamer	it might be faster than the join, but I have no way of knowing	19:22
+perlDreamer	2 million rows is a lot!	19:22
zylopfa	I think it will be faster	19:22
zylopfa	also if i make some indexes in the mysql tables	19:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10204 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10110: Matrix 2.0 - "Data Error" on Pending Product Listing Updates	19:31
zylopfa	perlDreamer, I think i am making indexes in the table first cause i can see that the join is going through all 2 million rows to find matches	19:32
+perlDreamer	good thinking, zylopfa	19:32
zylopfa	there is 2 million and it has to be traversed 10k times cause there are 10k users	19:32
zylopfa	so it will be a significant time before it finishes without indexes on the user field	19:33
zylopfa	perlDreamer, !!!	19:35
+perlDreamer	yes?	19:36
zylopfa	I have gotten the query to finish in 10 seconds now instead of XX hours!	19:36
+perlDreamer	sweet!	19:36
+perlDreamer	now, before you forget about it, make sure your other tables are indexed, too :)	19:36
zylopfa	yeah i am making an index sweep as i port the code to webgui	19:36
zylopfa	the queries i make now are only used 1 time though to update user ids	19:37
zylopfa	but many indexes are needed also for general queries	19:37
nuba	zylopfa: if you work with DBs frequently then you may benefit from studying the topic a bit	19:51
nuba	this is a good place to spend time on http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-830Fall-2005/CourseHome/index.htm	19:51
nuba	my prefered DB book is Elsmari & Navathe's	19:53
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zylopfa	thanks a lot nuba i will definately look at it	19:56
@preaction	so one of my assets has a lineage of "3dcAHG", is that bad?	20:10
@Haarg	nice	20:11
+perlDreamer	preaction, nice job. You found a way to increase the lifespan of the lineage system!	20:15
@preaction	yay!	20:15
+perlDreamer	now can have more than 1e6 assets per parent	20:16
+perlDreamer	how did you do it?	20:16
@preaction	I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD!	20:16
@preaction	uh... how?	20:16
+perlDreamer	yeah	20:16
@preaction	uh... DISNEY WORLD!	20:16
@tavisto	easy, just type 2e6	20:16
+perlDreamer	tavisto: the concensus on the newsletter is that it needs to be a CS, instead of PDF	20:18
@tavisto	well then we're doing the PDF	20:19
@tavisto	the first rule to marketing is to always ignore your audience/customers and do what you want	20:19
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+perlDreamer	everyone I asked said HTML, except bopbop, who was so incensed about it being a PDF that she didn't even write back	20:20
+perlDreamer	or something like that	20:20
@tavisto	I think the CS is fine. The main thing is that it needs to be available and mentioned on our main channels of communication. I think it's a great way of providing technical and non-technical updates for the week or two weeks	20:24
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@tavisto	it's hard for even someone like me to keep up with what you guys are working on in the core... let alone other members of the community. If your a developer then you know it like the back of your hand. If not, then you just hear bits and pieces from all over	20:26
+perlDreamer	tavisto, that's the problem. There are enough dev's now that it's not possible to keep up with everything anymore.	20:28
+perlDreamer	that's one of the reasons I made the newsletter	20:28
@tavisto	exactly, so I think it's a great way to keep the community/developers on a similar page	20:28
* perlDreamer is hoping that people will funnel information to me so that I can let everyone know about it		20:28
+perlDreamer	exactly	20:28
+perlDreamer	some things will be trivial, like the AssetHistory browser	20:29
@tavisto	well we can setup a form and let people submit stuff to you for this purpose	20:29
+perlDreamer	other things will be big, like the new Shop workflow to delete carts	20:29
+perlDreamer	that would be cool	20:29
@tavisto	I'll be cc'd on it as well but then the CS could be updated on the community site with the actual updates	20:29
+perlDreamer	community site == webgui.org?	20:30
@tavisto	yeah	20:30
@tavisto	the CS could also be setup to feed into the main WebGUI news. But we need the new site up for taht	20:31
@tavisto	that	20:31
+perlDreamer	well, until it is setup, I'll keep publishing it to perldreamer.com	20:33
+perlDreamer	we can always package it up and move it to webgui.org when it's ready	20:33
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10205 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: Remove old legacy code.	20:37
@bopbop	perldreamer!	21:02
@bopbop	why can't I read your blog anymore?	21:02
@bopbop	oh	21:02
@bopbop	hehe	21:02
@bopbop	nevermind....	21:03
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+perlDreamer	hey, bopbop. Was something wrong with my blog?	21:03
@bopbop	no, I'm just dumb	21:04
@bopbop	your blog is fine	21:04
@bopbop	I just gonna write back :)	21:04
+perlDreamer	be careful, I'm usually pretty hard on people who speak poorly of bopbop in channel	21:04
@bopbop	to vote for a Cs	21:04
@bopbop	CS	21:04
@bopbop	well, then	21:04
wgGuest82	Question is there a plugin similar to google docs for webgui?	21:05
+perlDreamer	wgGuest82, no	21:05
+perlDreamer	Google does it so well	21:06
@preaction	what is google docs? like Word on google?	21:06
wgGuest82	Thanks. Any suggestions? We have private data we dont want them to control	21:06
@tavisto	There will be a document management wobject coming in the near future. But not yet	21:06
@preaction	what can they do the TinyMCE cannot do?	21:06
wgGuest82	Document management webobject is what we need.	21:07
wgGuest82	Perfect	21:07
@preaction	tavisto: you mean the Story Manager?	21:07
+perlDreamer	preaction, spreadsheets	21:07
wgGuest82	We need a easy to use revision control system for a team project	21:07
@preaction	perlDreamer: DataTable!	21:07
@tavisto	WGFS preaction	21:07
@preaction	ohh, that's different	21:07
@preaction	but it might work	21:08
+perlDreamer	DataTable != spreadsheet. No calculations	21:08
* SDuensin votes for WGdocs. :-)		21:08
@preaction	which reminds me i have to ask JT about my idea of making certain assets export themselves as .doc or .xls or .ods or .pdf or .psd inside of WGFS	21:08
@tavisto	wgGuest82, WebGUI already has versioning, workflow, and content approval built into it	21:08
SDuensin	Seriously though, I can't wait for WGFS.	21:09
wgGuest82	Yea we are looking for a complete office suite like google docs that we can control on a private server using webgui	21:09
@preaction	you have Access (Thingy), Word (Article), uh...	21:09
@preaction	we don't have Excel or PowerPoint	21:10
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, then get busy writing it in Latte	21:10
+perlDreamer	or Mocha	21:10
@preaction	well, Gallery might be able to be used for PowerPoint, but we're far more specialized when it comes to presenting data like that	21:10
+perlDreamer	or whatever that thing is that you like	21:10
@preaction	ha! Cocoa + Java = Mocha... clever	21:11
SDuensin	perlDreamer - I actually was looking at porting this to WebGUI: http://www.simple-groupware.de/cms/Spreadsheet/Home	21:11
@tavisto	wgGuest82, WebGUI can definitely store multiple versions of files and track versions, but the files have to be uploaded by the users after they modify them	21:11
+perlDreamer	that's pretty cool, SDuensin	21:11
+perlDreamer	and I understand it :)	21:11
+perlDreamer	unlike Cappucino	21:11
SDuensin	perlDreamer - It wouldn't be hard. The PHP part is pretty small.	21:12
@preaction	wgGuest82: I should mention that if you're looking for custom development, Plain Black can help you	21:12
@tavisto	However, this will be changing with the document management functionality that will be provided by the WebGUI File System (WGFS)	21:12
* SDuensin cheers wildly for WGFS!		21:12
wgGuest82	How can we have users upload their files such as word xcel or powerpoint. I know how to do as admin but I want users to do it	21:13
@tavisto	oh that's easy, you can go to the admin bar and choose to upload a new file	21:13
@preaction	you could make a collab system and allow them to attach files	21:13
@preaction	tavisto: i think he means without turning admin on	21:13
wgGuest82	Collaboration system module?	21:13
@preaction	yes	21:13
wgGuest82	yes without turning admin on	21:13
+perlDreamer	there's only 1 thing stopping wgfs, and that's developer time	21:14
+perlDreamer	if it was funded, it would happen a lot quicker	21:14
@preaction	that too	21:14
@preaction	it's not a difficult thing, we've proved it's possible already	21:14
SDuensin	If only I was funded, WG would do everything. :-P	21:14
@preaction	heh, we ARE funded and it doesn't yet ;)	21:14
@tavisto	ah okay, yep the collaboration system would work fine for that. Think of it as a generic data engine which allows you to configure how it works through basic templates. It can currently serve as a job posting system, a forum, a photo gallery, a file manager, a guest book, classified ads engine, FAQ generator	21:15
@tavisto	You can configure the collaboration system to allow regular users to be able to upload files to the site. Thus preventing them from having to be an admin with the admin mode turned on :)	21:15
@preaction	there's also ways to attach files to many things, like Calendar Events	21:15
wgGuest82	This sounds good.	21:16
wgGuest82	I am going to try it now	21:16
@tavisto	you can try out a fully functional demo by going to http://demo.webgui.org. It lasts for 24 hours and you can always create more if you need to	21:16
+perlDreamer	would a Folder work?	21:17
@tavisto	absolutely	21:18
@preaction	but folder requires strange config to get to add assets w/o turning admin on	21:18
@preaction	we've had to do it a couple times on some of our sites	21:18
+perlDreamer	maybe we should fix that...	21:18
@preaction	it won't be fixed. normal users should not be normally allowed to edit normal things	21:19
+perlDreamer	even with a CS, don't you have to set the edit timeout to be a long time to allow for removing and reuploading?	21:19
@preaction	i mean, you can try, i'm just mentioning what i think rizen will say	21:19
+perlDreamer	I know preaction	21:19
* SDuensin would love for users to be able to upload to a folder, too. Maybe it's time for a JaegerFolder. :-P		21:19
+perlDreamer	it's just when I hear several people saying the same thing several times, it makes me think that it would be a good feature	21:20
@preaction	we might move Gallery to just use WebGUI::Asset::File, which would provide Folder functionality for normal users	21:20
+perlDreamer	it's more like the gallery at that point	21:20
+perlDreamer	yeah!	21:20
+perlDreamer	there ya go	21:20
@preaction	Jt's mentioned this too, so this could be done with his approval	21:20
SDuensin	Gallery + Shortcut = Headache. :-(	21:20
+perlDreamer	how's that, SD?	21:23
SDuensin	I had this bright idea to customize the style of the Gallery to be bare bones for users to view, then shortcut it to an admin page and put the original style back with the overrides so the site admin could manage it...	21:24
SDuensin	That doesn't work because the gallery isn't a single object.	21:24
wgGuest82	What does [display tab] request tracker do in collaborative system module?	21:25
+perlDreamer	it configures the CS to be a lightweight bug system/request generator	21:25
+perlDreamer	it's really just a special template	21:25
@preaction	wgGuest82: it's just a template, changes how the CS looks	21:25
* preaction is always 30ms too late		21:25
+perlDreamer	yes, but you're usually right more often than I am	21:26
wgGuest82	In collaboration system is there a way to show attached files at root level and not by clicking on subject title?	21:27
@preaction	yes, by editing the template	21:27
+perlDreamer	preaction, does he mean in the thread view?	21:28
@preaction	no, he means in the Collaboration view	21:28
wgGuest82	We want the files to show at thread view	21:28
wgGuest82	Thanks for terminology help	21:28
+SynQ	Building Complete And Successful	21:28
@preaction	so when you see the list of threads, you also see the files in that first post	21:28
@preaction	SynQ: wooooo!	21:28
wgGuest82	Yes	21:29
+perlDreamer	SynQ: what are you building?	21:29
+SynQ	wre svn head	21:29
wgGuest82	We are building a file collaboration system similar to google docs	21:29
@preaction	wgGuest82: yes, look in the Help section of the Admin Console under Collaboration View (should be "attachmentLoop")	21:29
wgGuest82	but we can t achieve google docs so we are trying to get close	21:29
+SynQ	if up to me wre 0.9.2	21:29
wgGuest82	We dont have that admin privlage to update software on sever	21:30
+SynQ	just wanted to let you know	21:30
+SynQ	wgGuest82: do you have access to the apache config file?	21:30
+SynQ	wgGuest82: and can you restart it	21:30
wgGuest82	Thanks for your help	21:31
+SynQ	if so you could run WRE on unpriv ports	21:31
+SynQ	uhnm	21:31
+SynQ	I'm probably saying something that is not to the point in any way	21:32
+SynQ	just disregart my ramblings	21:32
+perlDreamer	SynQ, no those are good questions. If wgGuest82 does not have command line access on his hoster, then he cannot run WebGUI at all.	21:33
+SynQ	ah	21:33
+perlDreamer	it is not like PHP, where you upload it via FTP	21:33
+perlDreamer	but you know all those	21:33
+SynQ	indeed	21:33
+perlDreamer	I'm repeating it for the benefit of wgGuest82	21:33
+SynQ	the best shot is to get another hoster	21:34
+perlDreamer	Know any good ones?	21:34
+SynQ	if you don't have command line access the rest is a long shot	21:34
+SynQ	that depends on what you want	21:34
+SynQ	you want cheap? I don't know them, sorry	21:34
+SynQ	you want good? and you are in the USA, try PlainBlack	21:35
+SynQ	you want good? and you are in europe, try ProcoliX	21:35
+SynQ	you want good? and you are in Australia, try CrucialParadigm and e-mail ProcoliX to set it up for you	21:35
+perlDreamer	Does Procolix cover Asia, as well?	21:35
+SynQ	the whole thing depends on your budget	21:35
+SynQ	I don't know about asia	21:36
+SynQ	I have never looked into that	21:36
+SynQ	what part of asia?	21:36
+perlDreamer	I figured that ProcoliX was closer to Asia than Plain Black	21:36
+SynQ	true	21:36
+perlDreamer	and the Russian translation _is_ coming along nicely	21:37
@preaction	i think there's more service from US-asia than eu-asia	21:37
+perlDreamer	so someone is using WebGUI over there	21:37
+SynQ	but if you want a workable admin console you want your webgui hosted close to you	21:37
+SynQ	close as in 4 to 6 ms latency max	21:37
+SynQ	Russia == Europe	21:37
+SynQ	most of it	21:37
+SynQ	preaction: what do you mean by that?	21:38
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@preaction	i was looking at a map of the internet, and there is more bandwidth across the pacific than across the russian landmass	21:39
+SynQ	ah	21:39
+SynQ	but bandwith is not the bottleneck	21:39
+SynQ	it's latency	21:39
@preaction	and there's practically no bandwidth to Africa	21:39
+SynQ	where is the map of the internet that you are looking at? do you have a url?	21:40
@preaction	true, but latency is affected by the amount of info in the tubes	21:40
@preaction	uhm... let me see if i can dig it up	21:40
* perlDreamer thought latency was more a question of number of hops		21:40
@preaction	distance between those hops, amount of traffic those routers have to deal with, a lot of factors	21:41
+SynQ	the best way to know latency is by empiric measurement	21:41
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+SynQ	I know from past discussions that www.webgui.org is faster to plainblack then www.webgui.nl	21:41
+SynQ	and that demo.webgui.org and the temporarily created demo.webgui.nl are quite different too	21:42
+SynQ	there are huge differences if you are in Australia, Chicago area or Europe	21:42
+SynQ	all due to latency	21:42
@preaction	there was a /. post on the physical vulnerability of the internet to terrorist attack which had the map :(	21:43
+SynQ	ah	21:44
+SynQ	anyway	21:44
+SynQ	if you are looking for WebGUI hosting you want the server to be as close to you as possible	21:44
+perlDreamer	preaction: is this it -> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/4Frvo8mCYQk/article.pl	21:44
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+SynQ	I don't see a map	21:46
@tavisto	SynQ, here's some news for ya! http://www.webgui.org/news/webgui-8-goes-php	21:47
@tavisto	at first I thought that was Koen dancing	21:47
@tavisto	but I knew you didn't have sunglasses that cool	21:47
ckotil	hah	21:51
+SynQ	tavisto: seen that :)	21:51
@tavisto	ah well make sure you don't wear a denim shirt and jeans at the same time again	21:52
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--- Day changed Wed Apr 08 2009
+perlDreamer	man, git diff makes you really lazy	00:04
+perlDreamer	I need some SVN help	00:10
+perlDreamer	I deleted a test and need to restore it	00:11
+perlDreamer	the last time the test was updated was rev 9618	00:11
+perlDreamer	I tried using svn cat, but I got an XML error	00:11
+perlDreamer	I got around it via SVN::Web and wget	00:19
deafferret	svn update -r9618 https://repo/blah@9618	00:25
+perlDreamer	thanks, deafferret!	00:26
deafferret	sure. that repo/blah@ part always makes me double-take	00:27
+perlDreamer	yeah, it seems redundant, since a rev was specified	00:27
deafferret	"file.t not found at HEAD"	00:28
deafferret	exactly	00:28
deafferret	perlDreamer++ # SVN bitch mind-meld	00:28
deafferret	gets even weirder when things have moved around. at that point checkout -r9618 ...@9618 is how I cope	00:29
deafferret	I haven't really gotten used to git diff/add/revert yet	00:30
+perlDreamer	I've got that down pretty well	00:30
+perlDreamer	but merging and pulling still escape me	00:30
+perlDreamer	deafferret, would you be interested in an easy TODO task to help us out?	00:31
deafferret	sure, maybe. I don't use webGUI much, but I have a couple installs and a todo list I never get to	00:31
* deafferret clocks out		00:32
deafferret	what's up?	00:32
+perlDreamer	it's a maintenance task	00:32
+perlDreamer	writing POD for some subroutines in modules that don't have POD	00:32
+perlDreamer	it would be really nice to have 100% POD coverage for when we launch WebGUI 8	00:32
deafferret	I could take a look, sure. repo?	00:32
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI	00:32
deafferret	=head2 thingie This is that thingie that does that thing. =cut	00:33
deafferret	co what path?	00:33
+perlDreamer	exactly, and if it has params, describe them, too	00:33
+perlDreamer	the path I pasted is our HEAD branch	00:33
deafferret	so you gave me HEAD? nice.	00:34
+perlDreamer	it has the best coverage	00:35
+perlDreamer	you could do another branch...	00:35
+perlDreamer	but it wouldn't be worth it	00:35
deafferret	k. I'm now sitting on a 235MB r10207	00:35
deafferret	felatio joke FAIL	00:36
* perlDreamer is kind of slow and thick headed		00:36
* deafferret ponders WEBGUI_CONFIG		00:36
+perlDreamer	good thinking	00:37
deafferret	do I need to install wre and friends to run t/POD.t?	00:37
+perlDreamer	no	00:37
+perlDreamer	but you do need a database, and a config file	00:37
+perlDreamer	once that is setup, then	00:38
+perlDreamer	env POD_COVERAGE=2 perl POD.t 2>&1 > pod	00:38
+perlDreamer	that will tell you every subroutine in every module that needs POD	00:38
deafferret	roger that	00:38
+perlDreamer	currently there are 44 modules that need POD	00:38
+perlDreamer	do you have commit rights?	00:39
deafferret	negatory	00:39
+perlDreamer	hm, in that case, you can either paste or email me patches	00:39
deafferret	late me paste one or two before you endow me	00:39
deafferret	ya	00:39
+perlDreamer	oh, I cannot grant that right to you	00:40
* perlDreamer is just a namby/pamby volunteer		00:40
deafferret	I think you're a secret agent dev	00:40
* perlDreamer looks around covertly, to see if anyone noticed that		00:41
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10206 /WebGUI/t/Account.t: Restore the Account.t test	00:47
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10207 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs):	00:47
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add a method to Account called getUsers, which returns	00:47
CIA-38	WebGUI: either the user specified by the uid form param, or the	00:47
CIA-38	WebGUI: session user.	00:47
CIA-38	WebGUI: Change appendCommonVars to use it.	00:47
CIA-38	WebGUI: Remove spotty overrides in plugins.	00:47
+perlDreamer	that was a very wordy commit message	00:48
* perlDreamer is going to have to talk with colin about that		00:48
deafferret	Can't locate Clone.pm in @INC -- is that a CPAN module?	00:49
+perlDreamer	yup	00:49
* perlDreamer heads to the other office, be back in 15 or so		00:49
+perlDreamer	deafferret, it's always a good idea to run testEnvironment.pl to check	00:50
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CIA-38	WebGUI: brian * r10208 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing the 7.6.19 release.	01:23
deafferret	perlDreamer: I seem to be stuck. I seem to have 1 functional dev WebGUI environment, but I don't have root there and don't have Clone.pm installed	01:26
+perlDreamer	okay, let's start at the beginning.	01:27
+perlDreamer	Is this a VM?	01:27
+perlDreamer	deafferret?	01:29
deafferret	nope. it's a Linux box I don't have root on. I can ask an $admin. distracted by IMs right now	01:30
+perlDreamer	hm, can you install perl modules if you're not an admin?	01:31
deafferret	nope. can't install bupkis on this box apparently. brb	01:31
deafferret	back	01:37
+perlDreamer	okay	01:37
deafferret	I thought this box had a special 'wre' perl, but now I don't see that in my notes	01:38
deafferret	no $admins in IRC channel -sigh-	01:39
+perlDreamer	you can put two copies of WebGUI on 1 box	01:39
+perlDreamer	that what most of us do	01:39
+perlDreamer	WebGUI == perl and javascript, not WRE binaries	01:40
+perlDreamer	you guys have your own IRC channel?	01:41
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+perlDreamer	w00t! 1 contract done :)	01:57
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10209 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9816: Syndicated Content asset fails to process feeds which include a UTF-8 BOM	01:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10210 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton: unset package flag recursively during upgrades	01:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10211 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10056: YUI javascripts included while adminOff (BNC)	01:58
+perlDreamer	preaction, I did something really funny/stupid the other day	01:59
@preaction	oooh sweet	01:59
+perlDreamer	I tried to add a shortcut to defaultNode, pointing to the import node	01:59
+perlDreamer	and hoped that it would work like a symbolic link in the Asset Manager	02:00
@preaction	heh	02:00
@preaction	but then, it would be nice if shortcuts could work more like symbolic links	02:00
+perlDreamer	it takes 4 clicks to get to the import nod	02:00
+perlDreamer	node	02:00
@preaction	are you not using Arjan's bookmark toolbar?	02:00
@preaction	takes me two clicks	02:01
+perlDreamer	Arjan's bookmark toolbar?	02:01
+perlDreamer	what is this you speak of?	02:02
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/webgui-7-bookmarks-toolbar	02:02
@preaction	the most awesome thing ever	02:02
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+perlDreamer	very interesting	02:06
+perlDreamer	once I get my CSS problem fixed, I'll check that out	02:06
deafferret	perlDreamer: hmm... maybe I need to build out a database on a box I do have root on then. the $admins for the box in questions sometimes hang out in their own irc server -- irc.ist.unomaha.edu	02:17
+perlDreamer	ah	02:18
+perlDreamer	that would be simpler	02:18
deafferret	simpler to have root? k. I'll have to read how to build the schema	02:18
+perlDreamer	mysql -u root < /data/WebGUI/docs/create.sql	02:19
+perlDreamer	or, use the WRE	02:19
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+perlDreamer	patspam, you must be prophetic	02:25
+perlDreamer	everyone wants WNN to be a CS	02:25
+patspam	WNN?	02:26
+patspam	CS?	02:26
+perlDreamer	WebGUI Network News, Collaboration System	02:27
+patspam	ahh!	02:27
+patspam	WNN++	02:27
+patspam	i want it on twitter, facebook, slashdot, dig, and um, put a video of it on youtube	02:28
+perlDreamer	video?	02:28
@preaction	YES	02:28
+perlDreamer	eek	02:28
@preaction	WebGUI VLOG!	02:28
+perlDreamer	of course, the real problem is that the WebGUI Network doesn't really exist	02:30
CIA-38	WebGUI: brian * r10212 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.19-stable: Release 7.6.19-stable	02:32
CIA-38	WebGUI: brian * r10213 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.19-stable/WebGUI_7.6: Release 7.6.19-stable	02:32
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10214 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.19-stable/WebGUI_7.6: remove accidental addition to release tag	02:32
* perlDreamer heads back to the main office		02:37
+perlDreamer	bbl	02:37
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CIA-38	WebGUI: brian * r10215 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.20 dev	03:02
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+perlDreamer	I just don't want to believe this	04:47
+perlDreamer	two months of delay	04:47
+perlDreamer	because I forgot a quote	04:47
@preaction	whoooops	04:47
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: eh?	04:47
+perlDreamer	I've been trying to make some small style changes to my website	04:48
+perlDreamer	to add a login box and admin toggle	04:48
+perlDreamer	but I couldn't get them to place where I wanted them	04:48
+perlDreamer	I've tried tons and tons of things	04:48
+perlDreamer	but either they were wrong, or in this last case	04:48
+perlDreamer	<div id="newClass>	04:49
+perlDreamer	is ignored because it misses an end quote	04:49
+perlDreamer	let me finish it up, commit the version tag, then you can see (and laugh)	04:49
+perlDreamer	and rightfully so :)	04:49
+perlmonkey2	wow, you forget a literal quote. So two month delay on a project?	04:51
+perlDreamer	well, to log into my site I had to add all the query params for login, logout and admin mode	04:55
+perlDreamer	and other people couldn't create accounts to post back to my blog	04:55
+perlDreamer	so it was more embarrasing and inconvenient than anything	04:55
+perlDreamer	time to run the kids through the wash	04:55
+perlDreamer	I'll be on and off for the next few hours	04:55
+perlDreamer	back to the showers	05:29
+perlDreamer	phew	06:04
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10216 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (SelectRichEditor.pm Textarea.pm): Missing POD for Textarea, SelectRichEditor	06:49
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@tavisto	Lookie what I found... A new article by JT Smith!	07:31
@tavisto	http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Stack-Encouraging-Adoption-Through-Ease-of-Use-66743.html	07:31
+perlDreamer	tavisto, there's a typo	07:47
* perlDreamer blows a raspberry, and goes to bed		07:47
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@tavisto	Kristi proofread	07:47
@tavisto	hah	07:48
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10217 /translations/Polish/Polish/ (20 files): Update from translation server	11:11
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10218 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 2 dirs):	11:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: Replaced Survey parseGotoExpression with dedicated ExpressionEngine.	11:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: Improved gotoExpression validation error reporting	11:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: Added lots more tests	11:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10219 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs):	11:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: Made Survey ExpressionEngine disabled by default, controlled via config	11:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: file enableSurveyExpressionEngine flag	11:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: Added branching based on question score and section score total	11:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: Added more tests	11:44
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+SynQ	hoeba	14:31
+BartJol	hoeba	14:31
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CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10220 /wrebuild/build.sh: fixed typo in IA64 variable	15:14
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CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10221 /wrebuild/build.sh: Added ia64 options to build.sh	17:16
+SynQ	more 64 bit more better :)	17:17
+SynQ	is JT better yet?	17:17
+MrHairgrease	jt is ill?	17:17
+SynQ	I don't now if he still is but I heared that he was	17:18
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:18
+MrHairgrease	must be of your never ending nagging about wre's =)	17:18
+SynQ	(16:00:01) tavisto: JT was out sick yesterday and it sounds like he's still not feeling well today	17:18
+SynQ	perhaps someone has rick rolled him into sickness	17:19
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+MrHairgrease	hey freddie!	18:06
+MrHairgrease	more dutch guys in the room!	18:06
freddiecompier	hoi	18:06
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+perlDreamer	hey, tavisto!	18:48
+perlDreamer	is there some linkage for the linuxinsider article?	18:49
@tavisto	yes, however they kinda jacked it up a bit	18:49
+perlDreamer	the article?	18:50
+MrHairgrease	is there and article about webgui?	18:50
@tavisto	no about The Stack but by JT	18:50
@tavisto	http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Stack-Encouraging-Adoption-Through-Ease-of-Use-66743.html	18:50
@tavisto	they changed one of the paragraphs and took out the Plain Black reference and left WebGUI in there but it doesn't make sense	18:50
+perlDreamer	there was the typo toward the end about getting a WebGUI into debian or ubuntu	18:51
@tavisto	yep.	18:51
@tavisto	whoever edited it down screwed that paragraph up. I'm waiting to see if they can modify it a bit. I told JT we can change WebGUI to "an application" and it would make more sense	18:51
+MrHairgrease	i don't see webgui anywher on that page	18:52
+perlDreamer	MrHairgrease: "and get a WebGUI included in systems"	18:55
+perlDreamer	bad edit	18:55
+MrHairgrease	oh wait	18:57
+MrHairgrease	firefox search thingy was on match case	18:57
+perlDreamer	oh, you sub-micron guys always do that	18:58
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+perlDreamer	brb	19:03
SDuensin	That edit is because people think it is a "Web GUI". Hell, that's how I originally found it!	19:04
SDuensin	(I was looking to see if there were any toolkits to make UIs for command line tools!)	19:05
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nuba	now thats really some crappy touch up they did there	19:27
nuba	"(...) For example, provide commercial hosting, a demo server, VMware appliances, a Web-based install system and native packages run through the community -- and get a WebGUI included in systems like Debian and Ubuntu. (...)"	19:28
nuba	LOL	19:28
bpmedley	https://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/10133	19:29
bpmedley	Has anyone looked at that bug?	19:29
+perlDreamer	no, sorry bpmedley	19:29
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+perlDreamer	bpmedley, I'd check the spec for the new matrix against the old 7.5 code	19:42
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+perlmonkey2	I wonder what it would look like to write all the unit tests before you wrote any other code.	19:49
+perlDreamer	it's not that bad, really	19:50
+perlDreamer	although, practically, people never do that	19:50
+perlDreamer	usually it's done on a sub by sub basis	19:50
+perlmonkey2	Writing tests as an augmentation to the design process?	19:52
+perlDreamer	yes	19:52
+perlDreamer	you know you want a constructor, so you write tests for everything it should do	19:52
+perlDreamer	then you write the code to make it do that	19:52
+perlDreamer	it forces you to think through things before you start writing code	19:52
+perlDreamer	and prevents creep :)	19:53
+perlDreamer	I've done that with the StoryManager	19:53
+perlDreamer	and it works pretty well	19:53
+perlDreamer	also, it pretty much forces you to write code which is testable	19:53
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10222 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (205 files in 69 dirs): merge to 10219	19:54
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10223 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): Update Story to use awesome new Keywords	19:54
+perlDreamer	a lot of my www_ methods are wrappers around calls to set template variables, do side effects, process form variables	19:54
+perlDreamer	so that they can be tested in chunks	19:54
+perlmonkey2	I'm really guilty of writing mega-methods that do many things. Writing the tests first would help break those down.	19:54
+perlDreamer	and, for those who like eye candy	19:55
+perlDreamer	I found this today: http://szabgab.com/blog/2009/04/1239191451.html	19:55
+perlDreamer	very nicely formatted HTML test output	19:56
+perlDreamer	enabled with JS for reporting and drill-down	19:56
+perlDreamer	another nice thing about having tons of tests is parallel development	19:59
+perlDreamer	Haarg changed how Keywords work	20:00
+perlmonkey2	hah, nice	20:00
+perlDreamer	and my tests are telling me what code needs to be updated	20:00
+perlDreamer	yeah, normally it's a pain when that happens	20:00
+perlDreamer	even when the code gets better and the Keywords form autocompletes	20:00
+perlDreamer	but with these tests, it's only about 15 minutes work to get everything updated and working again	20:01
+perlDreamer	merge with head, run tests, sigh, fix tests and code, done	20:01
+perlDreamer	and the "sigh" is just for dramatic effect, since I knew it was going to happen anyway	20:01
+cap10morgan	i'm setting up webgui in an ec2 instance, and would like to script the wreconsole setup process. what's the best way to do that? should i write a command-line driven version of wreconsole.pl?	20:07
+cap10morgan	or could i just include wreconsole.pl somehow and call its subs directly?	20:07
SDuensin	cap10morgan - EC2 hurts my head. Been screwing with that for the last three days. Interesting stuff.	20:07
+cap10morgan	SDuensin: yeah	20:08
+cap10morgan	we're using it through RightScale	20:08
+cap10morgan	which is very cool	20:08
+cap10morgan	but they've never encountered WebGUI	20:08
SDuensin	Check this out - spiffy: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=24091&start=15&tstart=0	20:08
+cap10morgan	so i'm now the expert in the equation	20:08
+cap10morgan	which is always bad news	20:08
SDuensin	No kidding!	20:09
+cap10morgan	wow, yeah	20:09
SDuensin	That EBS pivot makes things a lot simpler. :-)	20:09
SDuensin	Not had time to try it. Just found it about 15 minutes ago.	20:10
SDuensin	I'm not looking to put WG on EC2 just yet, but maybe that'll help you become the resident expert here for when I do. :-P	20:12
+cap10morgan	yeah, be very afraid...	20:23
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan, you're just a trend setter	20:24
+perlDreamer	OpenID, now EC2	20:24
+cap10morgan	haha :)	20:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10224 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: Update StoryArchive test for new Keywords CSV.	20:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10225 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.t: Update StoryTopic tests for CSV Keywords	20:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10226 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Carousel.t: added tests for Carousel wobject	20:27
+perlmonkey2	ugh, finding yui2.6 docs is a pain.	20:31
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, they're in /data/WebGUI/www/extras/yui	20:34
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: yeah, I was looking for them on the YUI site as they need to be http enabled to view the chart examples.	20:36
+perlDreamer	crud	20:37
+perlmonkey2	but browsing the API, it looks like my code is for the cold storage locker until 2.7 comes out.	20:37
+perlDreamer	have you been developing against 2.7?	20:41
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: well of course	20:43
+perlmonkey2	:P	20:43
+perlmonkey2	but looks like my problem isn't a 2.7 issue...�new�YAHOO.widget.NumericAxis();�is failing, but I'm not sure what lib needs to be included for it.	20:44
+perlDreamer	in 2.6, is Charts in beta?	20:44
+perlDreamer	that'd be a name change	20:44
+perlDreamer	which really sucks!	20:44
+perlmonkey2	not much code. Just a short blip for the summary stuff. When we move to 2.7 there will be little pain.	20:45
+perlmonkey2	But it will be teh sexies if I could get it to work.	20:46
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, in 2.6, it's "charts-experimental"	20:47
+perlDreamer	does that help?	20:47
+perlDreamer	charts/charts-experimental, that is	20:48
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: hahahahha, you brilliant beautiful jackaroo	20:49
+perlDreamer	oh, shucks. It's not me	20:49
+perlDreamer	it's ack --js	20:49
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10227 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Remove storiesPerFeed, since that's picked up by the RSS Aspect.	20:54
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10228 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added Carousel to upgrade script, some code cleanup and template changes	21:25
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* perlDreamer goes running		21:30
+perlDreamer	good luck with connectivity, Haarg	21:30
@Haarg	it's basically resolved	21:30
@Haarg	was chaning isps at home, but had to run to the office	21:31
* deafferret goes chewing		21:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10229 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/ (3 files in 2 dirs):	21:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: Move packages into 7.7.3 for proper upgrade processing.	21:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: Remove extra package for storytopic.	21:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10230 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: Add missing POD for RssFeed methods.	21:58
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+perlmonkey2	Anyone had any success getting a dataTipFunction to work in YUI 2.6 charts?	22:06
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10231 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrixListing.js: removed debugging form matrix listing javascript	22:59
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10232 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10110: Matrix 2.0 - "Data Error" on Pending Product Listing Updates	22:59
CIA-38	WebGUI: brian * r10233 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added back maximum number of comparisons for a group.	22:59
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10234 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Added 'too few/many' messages to matrix compare box, rfe# 9965	23:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10235 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Survey summaries now use YUI datatables and charts for extra bling.	23:39
* perlDreamer is back, and very tired		23:46
--- Day changed Thu Apr 09 2009
+perlDreamer	oh, let's just run this little loop, it'll be fine	00:11
+perlDreamer	1.5 miles later...	00:12
deafferret	ya, I had the same problem eating. jogging and eating are the same slippery slopes	00:13
+perlDreamer	indeed. What did you do?	00:14
deafferret	I'll just eat this little $food, it'll be fine. 1200 calories later... :)	00:14
deafferret	1.5 Kcal later...	00:15
+perlDreamer	the scary part is how easy it is to eat 1.5 Kcal.	00:15
+perlDreamer	That's 1 Chipotle burrito with all the fixings	00:15
deafferret	actually a food calorie is 1000 science calories, so you're Screwed :)	00:16
+perlDreamer	we should all just use hoolies instead	00:17
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10236 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: updating changelog	00:18
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10237 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.t: add tests for RSS feeds for the Collaboration	00:18
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+perlDreamer	arjan cracks me up	00:50
Mech422	I'm back - didja miss me ?	00:58
+perlDreamer	oh yeah	00:58
+perlDreamer	there was something that I needed to tell you Mech422	00:58
+perlDreamer	related to WebGUI	00:59
Mech422	tavisto: we submitted on the re-bid of that austin contract - we'll see how it goes...	00:59
+perlDreamer	oh!	00:59
Mech422	perlDreamer: aww - you like me!! you really really like me !! :-)	00:59
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan is looking at scripting wreconsole setups, which sounds like your provisioning work	00:59
Mech422	oh - that does sound cool :-)	00:59
+perlDreamer	you two might want to get together and talk sometime	00:59
+perlDreamer	also, have you read the inaugural issues of WebGUI Network News?	01:00
Mech422	no, I'm ashamed to say I haven't - I shall remedy that immediately ! It's on pb website, I presume ?	01:00
+perlDreamer	nope	01:00
+perlDreamer	perldreamer.com/blog	01:00
Mech422	ahh - yes, the pd website :-D	01:01
* perlDreamer needs to -- -- some time and fix that problem		01:01
+cap10morgan	i have the WRE installing and configuring via script now	01:01
+cap10morgan	but i need to get a git repo of webgui setup because we have local mods	01:02
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan, meet Mech422	01:02
+perlDreamer	Mech422, meet cap10morgan	01:02
* Mech422 waves!		01:02
+cap10morgan	hello :)	01:02
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan is our local OpenId user, he's also a frequent WUC attender	01:02
+perlDreamer	Mech422 is a recent WebGUI convert, coming from plone-ville	01:03
Mech422	actually, I've forgotten what I had to futz with wre install - it was _site_ installation/configuration that I really had trouble scripting	01:03
+cap10morgan	ah	01:03
Mech422	cap10morgan: ahh :-) Nice to meet you :-)	01:03
+cap10morgan	you too Mech422	01:03
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan, if you think those are good core WRE changes, you should talk with SynQ and rizen about contributing it back.	01:04
+cap10morgan	yeah, i plan to	01:05
+cap10morgan	i think it's pretty generic	01:05
+cap10morgan	i'm using it w/ rightscale / ec2	01:05
+cap10morgan	so it can get pretty specific to that environment if i'm not careful	01:05
+perlDreamer	still, it's a good start that could probably be abstracted out	01:05
* cap10morgan wishes webgui was already in git		01:05
+cap10morgan	yeah	01:06
+perlDreamer	soon, cap10morgan	01:06
+perlDreamer	WG8 dev is supposed to be in git	01:06
+cap10morgan	yeah, i can't wait	01:06
+cap10morgan	:)	01:06
+cap10morgan	i'll just have to clone the svn repo for now	01:06
Mech422	perlDreamer: hey - wGNN looks good...	01:09
+perlDreamer	thanks :)	01:10
+perlDreamer	due to overwhelming demand, it will become a CS	01:10
Mech422	perlDreamer: who do I complain to about the re-write being PHP based instead of Python like god and Guido intended ?	01:10
+perlDreamer	you would talk to rizen about that	01:10
+perlDreamer	and, should anything bad happen to you during or shortly after that, is there anyone I should notify?	01:10
Mech422	nah - Python is a type safe language :-)	01:11
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+perlDreamer	rizen isn't :/	01:11
Mech422	ROFL	01:12
@preaction_	Python promotes sloppy coding style	01:12
@preaction_	no braces? how do i know when a block ends?	01:12
Mech422	preaction_: LOL	01:12
+perlDreamer	preaction_: you line up all the little whitespaces	01:12
+perlDreamer	or blackspaces, if you have an inverted terminal	01:13
+perlDreamer	preaction_: I was going to ask you something else.	01:13
@preaction_	but then i have to do something like # { and #} to make things look right	01:13
+perlDreamer	If we're going to switch Template::Toolkit, can we really poke fun at PHP?	01:13
Mech422	preaction_: and it causes RSI - what no #%^#^% symbols ? thats gonna wear out your alpha-numeric keys faster!	01:13
@preaction_	exactly!	01:13
@preaction_	scoping? what scoping? assignment is declaration? what is that?	01:13
* preaction_ is pointing out the things he actually likes about Python :p		01:14
Mech422	I actually think the whitespace thing was a mistake - I'd prefer braces myself...I think guido just put that in there to meet the 'advancing the state of the art' part of his masters thesis :-P	01:14
Mech422	especially since jerks use tabs and throw the code 72 columns right on the line :-P	01:15
@preaction_	eh, i think he's right. both novice and professionals are made to code using the same style guidelines	01:15
@preaction_	and it's far easier to change the indentation than it is to change the entire syntax	01:15
@preaction_	perltidy works, but when was that made?	01:15
Mech422	preaction_: oh yeah - the 'only one _approved_ way to do it' mentality does limit learnign curve	01:16
Mech422	preaction_: but that could have been done with braces too :-P	01:16
Mech422	preaction_: my biggest gripe are def foo(a=b): print "%s" % a ...	01:17
Mech422	in a = b, b is evaluated _once_ (the first time) - _not_ everytime the statement is hit as most people would expect	01:18
Mech422	in "%s" % a - using a sigleton or a tuple for print args but NOT taking a list is a bit confusing	01:19
Mech422	so now I need to figure out how I screwed my wG theme - 'drag' works, but 'drop' doesnt :-P	01:21
@tavisto	mech422, which project are you referring to?	01:24
Mech422	tavisto - that project that cignex got, that everyone was up in arms about...	01:25
@tavisto	oh hey that's great news	01:26
Mech422	tavisto: people put up so much of a fuss, town council cancelled cignex's contract, and re-bidd the job	01:26
@tavisto	pretty sizable dealio too if I remember right	01:26
@tavisto	Plain Black could definitely help you out with any aspects you may need	01:26
Mech422	last round bids were - $700K , $1.3M, $1.3M	01:26
Mech422	they specified Plone as the CMS - and we have a 'partner' (associate? client? whatever) in austin that we do plone work for ..	01:27
Mech422	so they are going in as the primary, and we'll prolly sub under them	01:28
Mech422	assuming they get it, that is :-)	01:28
@tavisto	ah okay so nevermind that :)	01:41
@tavisto	too bad, they could have had WebGUI. We've got a couple city government internet/intranet projects coming out soon. That should help us reel in some more of them	01:42
* perlDreamer slaps his forehead! He could have had a WebGUI-8		01:45
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10238 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: More RssFeed POD.	01:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10239 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): Add a method to return RSS data for a Story, with tests.	01:46
Mech422	tavisto: yeah - but its nice the work won't be going to India	01:46
Mech422	tavisto: hmm - I actually know a company that does small city/town sites - they're looking to update their offering ...	01:47
Mech422	tavisto: it would be very small potatoes - but might be good for some ref. clients ?	01:47
+perlDreamer	more WebGUI users and installations is almost always good	01:47
Mech422	perlDreamer: heh - 'almost' - their current offering is based on postnuke ....	01:48
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@tavisto	Mech422 yeah I'm very happy about keeping money in america right now	01:57
Mech422	tavisto: do you have any links/screenshots/writeups for the gov stuff ?	01:58
@tavisto	Mech422 let me know about ad:tech San Francisco, we'll be there on the 20-24th	01:58
Mech422	oh crap - totally spaced that - lemme see...	01:58
@tavisto	well we have a whitepaper that includes some government stuff. And a list of government sites.	01:58
Mech422	could you shoot me a url or a copy ?	01:59
Mech422	I just spoke to the tech guy at the co. I mentioned above - he'd love to get away from postnuke if possible :-P	01:59
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10240 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	02:12
CIA-38	WebGUI: getRssFeedItems for StoryArchive, with tests.	02:12
CIA-38	WebGUI: A couple of quick rss/atom url tests.	02:12
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@tavisto	Mech422, I gotta bolt atm, but I'll definitely send you over a copy of the whitepaper	02:27
Mech422	tavisto: whenever you get a chance	02:27
Mech422	tavisto: oh, it looks like we can make ad-tech	02:27
@tavisto	great, send me an email with the full names of who is attending and I'll get you registered	02:28
@tavisto	bye all	02:28
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+patspam	perlmonkey2: pingo	02:28
Mech422	<tmpl_var dragger.init> <- should this go after _every_ content block, or just once after _all_ content blocks ?	02:40
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@preaction_	Mech422: i think just after all of them	02:55
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wgGuest55	Hello	03:14
wgGuest55	when will 64-bit WRE be released?	03:14
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Mech422	preaction_: thanks :-)	03:20
Mech422	it appear ^PageTitle() renders an anchor, so it shouldn't be used in <title />	03:23
Mech422	(I think I saw <title>^PageTitle(); - ^c(); </title> recommended somewhere ..)	03:24
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+perlDreamer	Mech422, it will render an anchor if used in the context of an operation, or a function.	03:36
+perlDreamer	for an op, it should not be a problem	03:36
+perlDreamer	but for a func...	03:36
+perlDreamer	if it was part of the style template	03:37
+perlDreamer	I mean, if the style template was rendered for the func	03:37
+perlDreamer	which is theoretically possible	03:37
+perlDreamer	I'd file that as a bug, along with all the details	03:38
Mech422	yeah - it was in a style template	03:39
+perlDreamer	what was the URL when you saw that?	03:41
Mech422	<a href='pagename' />	03:41
Mech422	err.. href = '/pagename'	03:42
+perlDreamer	no, what was the URL of the page containing that?	03:42
Mech422	it was for 'home' - the front (default) page and it rendered as a href='/home'	03:42
Mech422	I'm actually more concerned with why drag and drop doesn't work	03:43
Mech422	I get the admin frame, I get the drag handles - I can drag the handles - but when I 'drop' them, nothing moves	03:44
+perlDreamer	do you have all the required scripts being loaded?	03:44
Mech422	beats me - the docs just say to include some magic macro in <head> and it will do it all ?	03:45
Mech422	I have a bunch of YUI stuff getting included ?	03:46
* perlDreamer has never built a style or layout template from scratch. I always start with an existing one.		03:46
Mech422	I started with an existing one too	03:46
+perlDreamer	hm	03:46
+perlDreamer	maybe tomorrow I could take a look at it for you?	03:46
Mech422	(btw - I have a draggable.js getting included ... and draggable.css)	03:46
Mech422	that would be nice of you :-)	03:47
+perlDreamer	find me tomorrow in the morning time (PDT) and I'll have a look at it	03:47
Mech422	cool	03:47
Mech422	we should write up what we do to - for the 'task oriented' stuff we discussed last week	03:48
Mech422	assuming I understand what we do, I can write it up	03:48
+perlDreamer	sure, "debugging layout templates" :)	03:48
Mech422	yeah - and 'more required macros for layout templates' - like that dragger.init thing thats not really discussed in the docs	03:49
@preaction_	or instead you could fix layout to use YUI Event and YUI Dom instead	03:49
Mech422	preaction_: ?	03:49
+perlDreamer	I thought it had been changed to do that already?	03:49
@preaction_	if you fix Layout, you don't need all the draggable triggers bullcrap	03:49
@preaction_	no, it should be possible to do the layout template with only needing <div id="GUID" class="contentArea">	03:50
@preaction_	so any item with class="contentArea" and an ID will be a content area for a Layout	03:50
Mech422	that sort of thing would be great for designers	03:50
@preaction_	exactly	03:50
@preaction_	no more BS	03:50
Mech422	at this point, just for reference - I've put about 12 hours in, in 3 hour chunks - on 'converting' a monster template layout	03:52
Mech422	which I think would be a fairly common task for the 'average' user/integrator	03:52
@preaction_	well, layout templates arent really supposed to be edited	03:53
@preaction_	the style template is	03:53
@preaction_	layout template shouldn't need much editing really	03:53
Mech422	the problem with this template was the content wasn't all in one chunk...	03:53
Mech422	I had 2 seperate tables with stuff inbetween, so I used a layout template	03:54
Mech422	granted I think the html/css is pretty convuluted for such a simple design - but thats what I was given...	03:54
@preaction_	i'm not second-guessing you, you're probably right for what you need, but be careful you don't put style elements in the Layout template	03:54
Mech422	preaction_: oh? I didn't realize it was bad form to do so...	03:54
@preaction_	if you do, you'll break other stuff	03:54
Mech422	preaction_: crap	03:55
@preaction_	or you'll have to make a special style for other stuff which is more work	03:55
@preaction_	really, your style should be everything that will be constant from page to page	03:55
Mech422	preaction_: I would think that layout changes would be common as well - since everyone 'chunks' content diffently...yeah, I have a layout and a style	03:55
@preaction_	but i agree that layouts need to be easier to edit	03:56
Mech422	and I was gonna make one of those preconfigured-on-the-admin-bar content types to allow pages to be added easily without having to set the layout/style manually	03:56
@preaction_	also, we should integrate YUI Grids and make a nice GUI editor for some templates	03:56
@preaction_	Mech422: you mean Prototypes?	03:56
@preaction_	check the Metadata tab, any asset can be made a prototype	03:57
Mech422	umm - yeah - prototypes :-)	03:57
Mech422	thats the coolest thing	03:57
@preaction_	eh, there's cooler stuff ;)	03:57
Mech422	the 'humane cms' is a buzzword in plone - it has sooo many features people get overwhelmed	03:57
Mech422	so its considered good form to turn off unused features, pre-configure content types etc	03:58
@preaction_	heh, i think webgui's moving that direction, but uilevels help a little bit	03:58
Mech422	but we don't have a system as easy as prototypes for doing it	03:58
@preaction_	actually, if you want an asset type to always have a certain default set, you can do so in the config file now	03:58
@preaction_	so you don't have a difference between "Page Layout" and "Page Layout for My Site"	03:59
@preaction_	i wonder if anyone has written about using UI Levels and Config File asset overrides to make an easier-to-use webgui site	03:59
Mech422	I think the big thing now is transitioning the 'target market' of docs and stuff from people who _want_ webgui to people who _need_ webgui	04:00
Mech422	I have $200+ worth of books on wg, and about half that in books on plone	04:00
Mech422	the plone books did a good job of doing 'low end' stuff, day to day stuff - a poor job of the middle ground stuff, and what seemed to be a decent job of the 'hard stuff'	04:01
+patspam	anyone else ever see errors like: WebGUI::Storage::_addError[105] - Couldn't create file /uploads/mysite/25/b5/25b530d77b0c305bff2519cc31e9af10/.wgaccess because No such file or directory?	04:01
@preaction_	compare our installed base though, and the developer community	04:01
+patspam	and when you look, the file actually exists	04:01
@preaction_	patspam: uh... that's rather weird	04:01
Mech422	the webgui books seem to skip the 'low end' stuff - do a so-so job on the mid-level, and really shine at the high end	04:02
@preaction_	it's only relatively recently that WebGUI's dev community is starting to flourish again.	04:02
Mech422	I've read all about cool concepts and foundations in wg, but haven't really been shown how they workd together/how to use them	04:02
+patspam	the files and surrounding dirs are owned by webgui, so doesn't appear to be a permission thing..	04:02
Mech422	preaction_: right - its only natural that programmers write docs for programmers...	04:03
@preaction_	right, and we want to get away from that really	04:03
Mech422	preaction_: but as wG grows, fewer of the users will be programmers	04:03
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@preaction_	oh, no, there has always been a small ratio of programmers : users. i think where we differ is in what tasks you're trying to complete	04:04
Mech422	preaction_: really?	04:04
@preaction_	you're trying to complete designer tasks, and those docs are written by either our designers, or our programmers	04:05
Mech422	yeah - designer and admin tasks - basic site layout, some access control etc	04:06
@preaction_	so there could be a disparity between what we write about and what we assume the audience knows already	04:06
@preaction_	that's a huge problem in any technical writing though. too much background and you bore the reader, too little background and you confuse the reader	04:06
Mech422	yeah - I recall a lot of basic html/css stuff in the (designers?) book	04:07
@preaction_	probably	04:07
Mech422	which I would think people wanting to use a CMS should already know, or have dedicated book for	04:07
Mech422	anyway, growing pains are a sign of growth :-)	04:08
@preaction_	it might be nice to put "Designing for WebGUI: The Basics" and "Designing for WebGUI: Advanced Topics" into seperate books, but then you've got costs and people saying you're just in it for the money, etc...	04:08
@preaction_	yeah, and we've got a wonderful group of dedicated people (especially those outside of Plain Black)	04:09
@preaction_	so things have never been better and are only going to keep getting better	04:09
Mech422	preaction_: well - if you have an 'integrators' track and an 'end users' track on the books, you could probably mitagate soem of that	04:09
@preaction_	heh, i should blog about how the last three years have gone. i get my new PB-supplied laptop in 6 months, i could write a novel in that time (and i have enough content to do so)	04:10
Mech422	preaction_: then people could just by the books in the 'track' they need	04:10
Mech422	preaction_: 6 months to get a lappie? where do you live ?? alaska ??	04:10
@preaction_	no, that's the 3-year mark, that's when i get it	04:10
@preaction_	every 3 years we get a new lappy	04:10
Mech422	ahh - cool :-)	04:11
@preaction_	so i'm thinking playing up the angle of "my first apple laptop, and the WebGUI adventure"	04:11
@preaction_	hemingway, eat your heart out	04:11
Mech422	btw - donna and I just by whatever book we think is 'best' and send that to our clients as 'documentation'...	04:11
Mech422	lol	04:11
Mech422	anyway, we dont have time/staff to produce our own manuals so we buy them retail and give them to clients	04:12
Mech422	we'd probably do the same with wG	04:12
@preaction_	JT's gonna be at adtech right?	04:13
Mech422	I'm not sure - tavisto is I believe	04:14
@preaction_	tavis and kristi would be the best people to talk about the books with	04:15
+perlDreamer	patspam: /uploads is a root level directory	04:16
+perlDreamer	does it really exist?	04:16
+perlDreamer	or is there some error in the error message? :/	04:16
* perlDreamer will be right back		04:16
+patspam	perlDreamer: it does exist on my server	04:16
+perlDreamer	email on the way, patspam.	04:33
+patspam	sweet :)	04:33
* perlDreamer is heading off to orchestra practice for easter, and I won't be back on until tomorrow morning.		04:33
+perlDreamer	l8r	04:33
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wgGuest45	Hello I have a question about the collaboration system on webgui	04:34
@preaction_	wgGuest45: no need to ask to ask, just ask	04:39
wgGuest45	How can I make attached files visible when using the "topics" option?	04:40
wgGuest45	For the collaboration system template	04:40
@preaction_	what is the "topics" option? if files are not showing up, you will need to edit the template	04:41
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wgGuest45	When I am setting the display options for the collaboration system, there is a pull down menu for choosing the master template, and one of those is topics. I want to use this option, but I also want it to show the attached files in the threads.	04:43
+patspam	preaction_: the error message about "No such file" always appears 1 second before the .wgacess file gets created	04:43
@preaction_	wgGuest45: what you want to do is take the Topics template and modify it to do what you want	04:43
wgGuest45	right now it just shows what is written in the thread, but not the attached file.	04:43
wgGuest45	Ok, how do I do that?	04:43
wgGuest45	I know how to get to the modify, but what do I need to write in it.	04:44
@preaction_	if you look in the Help file, there's all the template variables for every template. One of them is called "Collaboration Template". if you need help with the HTML::Template language, there are plenty of documents on the web on how to use it	04:44
wgGuest45	ok	04:45
+perlmonkey2	patspam: pongo	04:45
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@preaction_	wgGuest45: i believe it's called something like "attachmentLoop"	04:46
+patspam	perlmonkey2: I got some weird js error when trying to view the yui charts	04:46
+perlmonkey2	patspam: hmm...checking email now	04:47
+perlmonkey2	patspam: hmm, just did a svn revert and a wgd revert and it worked out of the	04:52
+perlmonkey2	box	04:52
+perlmonkey2	patspam: anymore info on the error message?	04:52
+patspam	hmmm maybe it's my setup	04:52
+patspam	I'll try again	04:53
+perlmonkey2	patspam: I ack'd for console.log man, I swear I did :P	04:57
+patspam	heheh	04:57
+patspam	works in opera	04:58
+perlmonkey2	patspam: I'm on 3.0.8 in Fedora and it works.	04:58
+perlmonkey2	I'll disable firbug and see if that was making it work..	04:58
+perlmonkey2	Hmm firebug off/on, admin on/off, doesn't matter.	04:59
+patspam	yeah... i thought it might have been adblock, but that didn't do it..	04:59
+perlmonkey2	patspam: You know, I was getting a random unreferenced javascript flash error that didn't every break anything, but magically came and went. #yui didn't have a clue. I just wrote it off to -experimental.	05:01
+patspam	ok, must be one of my extensions, works fine when i start with "firefox -safe-mode"	05:01
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+perlmonkey2	just got it to show up again after reloading a few times.try { __flash__toXML(YAHOO.widget.FlashA... { "<exception>" + e + "</exception>"; }	05:02
+patspam	i think it IS adblock	05:03
+patspam	cheeky thing breaks the page even when it's disabled!	05:04
+perlmonkey2	cough cough noscript	05:05
+perlmonkey2	patspam: but that is an issue. People will be using noscript	05:05
+perlmonkey2	err, I mean adblock	05:06
+Radix-wrk	I use adblock plus	05:06
+Radix-wrk	your comment might explain why I get js errors with vimeo videos though	05:07
+Radix-wrk	doesn't bother me as it's just a click to get through.. but it explains them ;)	05:07
+patspam	perlmonkey2: none of the yui chart examples break for me with adblock turned on.. something we're doing must be triggering it	05:10
+patspam	perlmonkey2: bizarre, works fine on Andy's computer, using same firefox, same adblock plus 1.0.1	05:17
+patspam	only difference is I'm ubuntu, he's mac	05:17
+patspam	btw the charting is awesome :)	05:19
+perlmonkey2	patspam: heh, it is pretty. But nothing fancy.	05:20
+perlmonkey2	patspam: I'm going to clean it up a bit and see if I can find what's going on.	05:23
+patspam	don't worry too much if you can't track it down, sounds like it might be a weird race condition or something that the next version of YUI or adblock might hopefully fix	05:23
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+perlmonkey2	Someone want to do me a favor? For some reason I can't export the survey.css file to add it to the update package. Could someone add this to the survey.css and add it to the updates? chart	05:35
+perlmonkey2	{	05:35
+perlmonkey2	float: left;	05:35
+perlmonkey2	width: 200px;	05:35
+perlmonkey2	height: 113px;	05:35
+perlmonkey2	}	05:35
+perlmonkey2	#chart	05:35
wgGuest62	I am not sure how to get attachments to show on the master view of a collaboration system. I was told to edit it, and i have done that. I'm not sure I'm using the right variable.	05:36
wgGuest62	Do I need to make an attachmentLoop?	05:36
wgGuest62	and then put <tmpl_var attachment.url> into that?	05:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10241 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (administersurvey/comm.js administersurvey.js): cleaned up the code	06:03
+patspam	perlmonkey2: pastebin me that css and I'll add it	06:09
+perlmonkey2	thanks patspam: http://pastebin.com/d51bf8011	06:10
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+patspam	what about .chart_title?	06:16
+patspam	that and the old #chart css rule are in default survey summary	06:16
+patspam	as well as the text "450 300" =p	06:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10242 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.3/survey.css.wgpkg: Added changes to survey.css for Kaleb	06:28
+perlmonkey2	patspam: .chart_title isn't being used and I'll check in the updated surveysummary without the inline css ;)	06:31
+perlmonkey2	thanks	06:31
+patspam	np :)	06:31
+perlmonkey2	g'night all	06:45
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10243 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.3/root_import_survey_default-survey-summary.wgpkg: Removed duplicate css from template.	07:01
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10244 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	07:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: Survey branch expressions can now resolve score()s and value()s from	07:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: other survey instances.	07:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10245 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.t: Updated Survey tests to not leave behind versionTag	07:31
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10246 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs):	09:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: Updated Survey help (recordedAnswer, Answer Score, etc..)	09:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fixed behaviour of Survey Question textInButton	09:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10247 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	09:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: Made Survey use question default score if answer score undefined,	09:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: updated hoverHelp	09:16
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10248 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs):	10:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fixed up Passive Analytics config install (wasn't added to	10:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: WebGUI.conf.original in version 7.7.70)	10:01
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10249 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs):	11:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fixed small bug in Survey validation where invalid branch expressions	11:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: wouldn't be shown	11:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Improved and i18n'ed Survey validation warning container	11:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10250 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm:	11:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Added new Survey validation check - jump expressions defined when	11:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: enableSurveyExpressionEngine disabled site-wide	11:27
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jdanpl	hi every body	16:15
jdanpl	On our server we have little problem with new sites. When I add new site, it seems that there are lack of some elements. For example, on screen I see ^AdminBad(); but not macro's efect. The same with ^AssetProxy(style3_coolmenu);	16:20
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jdanpl	Problem respetcs only new created sites	16:28
jdanpl	There is no way to show admin console. I can managed only by op= links	16:28
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+perlmonkey2	howdy howdy	17:32
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+perlDreamer	Mech422, want to look at templates?	17:55
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I have no plans for 7.7 commits today (unless you want help fixing stuff)	18:02
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@Haarg	ok	18:04
+perlDreamer	I am going going to run a prove suite with TAP::Html::Formatter, though	18:08
+perlDreamer	I'll bundle it up and post it somewhere you can see it	18:08
+perlDreamer	nice eye candy for reporting	18:09
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+crythias	hello?	18:21
+perlDreamer	hey, crythias	18:21
+crythias	hey. I'm trying to work on a dropdown menu ...	18:21
+perlDreamer	in the nav?	18:22
+crythias	(yes) I need to figure out if something is not top level	18:22
+perlDreamer	where top level is absolute, or relative?	18:22
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+crythias	I'm ... not sure. I think absolute, or at least, absolute with regards to where my nav starts	18:23
+crythias	relative. :)	18:23
+perlDreamer	let me throw some ideas at you, and see if that helps	18:24
+perlDreamer	1) check out the help page for the navigation template variables	18:24
+perlDreamer	2) currentPage.isHome will tell you if you're at the top	18:25
+crythias	I'm looking. I'm trying to say "all children"	18:25
+perlDreamer	where top=default page for the site	18:25
+crythias	or "all descendents"	18:25
+perlDreamer	and all the depth, and relDepth variables should help, too	18:25
+crythias	how do I page.relDepth !=0	18:26
+crythias	or something like.	18:26
+perlDreamer	use tmpl_unless ?	18:26
+perlDreamer	or tmpl_if	18:26
+perlDreamer	since 0 is false	18:26
+crythias	tmpl_if page.relDepth then...	18:26
+crythias	ok.	18:26
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I lied.	18:26
+perlDreamer	fixed some broken POD and a hardcoded extra, and committed	18:27
@Haarg	no problem, i'm not starting on release stuff until afternoon	18:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10251 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Story.t: Add tests for title vs headline in RSS.	18:35
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10252 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add headline field, with templates.	18:35
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10253 /WebGUI/etc/hidden: remove files accidently committed.	18:35
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10254 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.pm: Fix POD syntax error in ExpressionEngine.	18:35
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10255 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.3/root_import_carousel.wgpkg: Fix hardcoded extras in the Carousel template.	18:35
Mech422	mornin all	18:50
+perlDreamer	yo, Mech422	18:50
+perlDreamer	before I dive into code, want to talk template?	18:50
Mech422	sure :-) First, can I talk coffee ?	18:50
+perlDreamer	sure, you buying?	18:51
Mech422	LOl - yep, cafe de Mech	18:53
Mech422	you can drink it, or lube your car with it, your choice :-)	18:53
+perlmonkey2	if you can't use it as brick mortar, it isn't considered coffee at my house.	18:54
+perlDreamer	okay, time for some testing eye candy	18:57
+perlDreamer	http://perldreamer.com/uploads/ca/54/ca54e8e117d433b072c755170bbe4ca3/output.html	18:57
+perlDreamer	jquery enabled TAP output	18:57
+perlDreamer	a few notes	18:57
+perlDreamer	the syntax errors are for a script outside of WebGUI	18:57
+perlDreamer	and I've fixed the other failures	18:58
+perlmonkey2	Dude, that is sweet	18:58
+perlDreamer	there's some bug in the JS, though	18:59
+perlDreamer	it doesn't want to close	18:59
Mech422	ooh - purty! thats the automated build/test setup ?	18:59
+perlDreamer	no, it's just a sample TAP HTML formatter	18:59
+perlDreamer	but I think Smolder makes reports like that by default	18:59
@Haarg	another thing i should add to my plans for automated testing though	19:00
+perlmonkey2	woah, your site is smoking my machine with firebug enabled.	19:00
+perlDreamer	it's a huge file, perlmonkey2	19:00
+perlDreamer	691K of data	19:00
+perlDreamer	JS will die	19:00
Mech422	whats a TAP ?	19:00
+perlDreamer	TAP is Test Anything Protocol	19:01
+perlDreamer	it's a spec for test programs to output data in a simple, human readable format that is not XML	19:01
+perlDreamer	so that it can be post processed	19:01
+perlDreamer	there are TAP implementations for many languages	19:01
+perlmonkey2	hm, closed for me with firebug on	19:01
Mech422	oh, so its an output format, not a test harness	19:02
+perlDreamer	right, the harness causes it to be generated, and then analyzes it	19:02
+perlDreamer	and allows it to be post processed into reports like this	19:02
Mech422	gotcha	19:02
+perlDreamer	smolder is a TAP aggregator and report system	19:02
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: what js was failing?	19:02
+perlDreamer	let me see if I can get it fail again	19:03
+perlmonkey2	you sure it wasn't just trying to close and taking forever to do it?	19:03
+perlmonkey2	;P	19:03
+perlDreamer	that could be	19:03
+perlmonkey2	although with firebug off, it opens and closes instantly.	19:03
+perlDreamer	you're right, perlmonkey2, it's an "unresponsive script" closing error	19:04
+perlDreamer	Script: file:///data/WebGUI_HEAD/jquery-1.2.6.pack.js:11	19:05
+perlDreamer	whoa, just crashed FF	19:05
+perlmonkey2	maybe it has a memory leak? Try reloading the page and see if it is responsive at first?	19:05
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+perlDreamer	maybe it's real player, too	19:07
* perlDreamer is streaming a radio station		19:07
bpmedley	<tr><td class="tableHeader"><tmpl_var field.label></td>	19:29
bpmedley	<td class="tableData"><tmpl_var field.value></td></tr>	19:29
bpmedley	default_acknowledgement	19:29
+perlDreamer	for the dataform?	19:29
bpmedley	Yes.. were is that processed?	19:29
+perlDreamer	bpmedley: inside www_process	19:30
bpmedley	thx	19:30
+perlmonkey2	rizen: I want to replace the Survey_questionTypes answers field with a json struct containing several default values for the question types. So that users can customize just about every single part of a default multiple choice answer. Do I need to RFE this, or just do it. Current surveys will seamlessly upgrade to this and won't be affected one iota.	19:48
+perlmonkey2	Also add an export/import feature so that default sets can be exported from one instance and improted into another.	19:48
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@rizen	perlmonkey2: requests approved	20:03
Mech422	stDavid: fios! me wants fios!!	20:05
+perlmonkey2	rizen: gacias senor	20:05
+perlmonkey2	stDavid: you have fios? Tell us what its like to have fios? Is it like having your own unicorn? Do you wake up to the sounds of rainbows and song birds? When you enter a room, do trumpets announce your entry? Is it a little bit like heaven?	20:07
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@stDavid	perlmonkey2: It is so fast that it will burn your eyeballs (if you're not careful)	20:08
+perlmonkey2	stDavid: mind telling if it is a dumb pipe or do they monitor/block ports/protocols?	20:09
@stDavid	I've got the Business class package - right around 120/mo	20:09
+perlmonkey2	stDavid: ah, so probably a dumb pipe at stupid silly speeds?	20:09
Mech422	I have friends on 'Utopia' in Utah - its a municipal fiber system run by about 50 smaller towns - 50Mbps symmetric for $60/month	20:09
+perlmonkey2	hmm, I'm moving to Utah.	20:10
Mech422	me too :-P	20:10
Mech422	appears to be no blockage/filtering either, as my friends stream/game/torrent on it	20:10
@stDavid	perlmonkey2: It's dumb - Use my own Cisco gear at the end of a 10Mb raw pipe	20:10
@stDavid	...and yes, it's VERY fasssst	20:11
+perlmonkey2	stDavid: that makes me cry a little in happiness.	20:11
@stDavid	It replaced for me 2 T-1's, and I've never looked back	20:11
* stDavid is glad he could make at least one person cry today :}		20:12
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@preaction_	today's lesson: Perl treats "0" (a string with a single 0 character) as FALSE, while Javascript treats "0" as TRUE	20:31
+perlDreamer	preaction_: you mean the string 0?	20:32
@preaction_	yes	20:32
+perlDreamer	that would explain what perlmonkey2 saw a while ago in the Survey	20:33
@preaction_	you'd probably be better off with the empty string, or the number 0	20:33
@preaction_	both are Perl and JS false	20:33
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+cap10morgan	is anyone doing anything clever w/ svn:external, for example, to maintain their local modifications to webgui but still pull from the official repo?	20:44
+cap10morgan	or do you pretty much need to import it into git or SVK to do that?	20:45
@Haarg	i use git for that type of thing	20:45
+cap10morgan	Haarg: right, i think i talked to you about that before. i don't suppose you have a how-to / best practices doc up anywhere on that? :)	20:46
@Haarg	http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html is one thing to look at	20:47
@Haarg	it's just a general guide to using git-svn	20:48
@Haarg	nothing specific to webgui i could point to	20:48
+cap10morgan	gotcha	20:48
+cap10morgan	maybe i'll write a wiki page on it if i git somewhere (sorry, couldn't resist, that's how we pronounce it in Oklahoma)	20:49
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10256 /translations/Norwegian/ (181 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	21:12
+perlmonkey2	cap10morgan: where in Oklahoma?	21:38
Mech422	tavisto: ping?	21:43
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@tavisto	hi Mech422	21:46
Mech422	tavisto: hey - got a sec to talk about the gov stuff ?	21:47
@tavisto	sure, what's up	21:48
Mech422	I just wanted to give you an intro to the tech guy for that company	21:48
Mech422	of course, since your available he seems to be MIA - gimme a sec	21:49
Mech422	got him ..	21:50
Mech422	tavisto: could you join #mech422 please	21:50
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@tavisto	thanks for the introduction Mech422, it would be nice to work with someone who deals with 200 municipal govs	22:14
Mech422	Det3's good people - the boss is a bit flighty though	22:15
@tavisto	I'm working with CRCOG and they have like 24 or 29 in their group. They have just been approved to use WebGUI as well. So I do think city government is going to be a growing market for WebGUI	22:15
@tavisto	we have 2-3 migrations in progress and the biggest one is for Worcester, MA	22:15
Mech422	oh nice :-) Worcester is a good sized place	22:18
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Mech422	ok - donna's got another webinar to teach, so I'm going home :-)	22:43
Mech422	see ya all tommorrow	22:43
bpmedley	Given a Date form variable where can I find where it is processed?	22:52
bpmedley	/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm I've got it down to line 169	22:53
@Haarg	WebGUI::Session::Form::process -> WebGUI::FormValidator::process -> WebGUI::FormValidator::AUTOLOAD -> WebGUI::Form::::new -> WebGUI::Form::::getValue	22:55
bpmedley	thx	23:00
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+cap10morgan	if you have, for example, WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm in a custom lib directory (loaded through preload.custom), would that override the DataForm asset included in WebGUI?	23:29
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dionak	yes	23:51
dionak	we've found that to be true	23:52
@preaction_	yes, that is intended behavior	23:52
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@preaction_	perlDreamer, Haarg: would this be a good addition to the utility skeleton? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m78b1507b	00:22
@preaction_	it allows one to do this: for FILE in /data/WebGUI/etc/*com.conf; do perl installNewBreakingNews.pl --configFile=$FILE; done	00:23
@preaction_	or, alternatively, should there be some other way to simply run a utility script against all sites on the server?	00:23
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+perlDreamer	preaction_: there's a bash-ism for stripping out the file from the path?	00:24
@preaction_	there is?	00:24
@preaction_	i don't think there is, hence the diff i pasted	00:24
+perlDreamer	basename	00:24
@preaction_	it detects if the webguiroot is already on the path and then ... i hate you	00:24
@preaction_	but that would be easier than this bs ;)	00:25
+perlDreamer	don't hate me because I'm knowledgeable	00:25
@preaction_	no, i hate you for making me look like a fool	00:25
+perlDreamer	well, in that case, let's talk about javascript	00:26
+perlDreamer	so the shoe will be on the other foot	00:26
@preaction_	but i hate making other people look like fools too!	00:26
@preaction_	i'm sorry, you can't win here	00:27
+perlDreamer	no winning?	00:29
knowmad	+1 to perlDreamer	00:35
knowmad	;)	00:35
@Haarg	preaction_, i think there would be a better way to do what you are attempting for those scripts, but i think it is a good idea	00:35
@Haarg	also, i want to adjust them so they can be run from anywhere instead of just sbin	00:35
@preaction_	there is a better way, `basename $FILE`	00:36
@Haarg	well, better than that i mean	00:36
@preaction_	FindBin ould work there	00:36
@Haarg	what you are really trying to do is get the path relative to the etc directory	00:36
@Haarg	so i would use File::Spec->abs2rel	00:37
+perlDreamer	s{my @groupNames = split /\n/, $groups}{var groupNames = groups.split("\n");} ##Perl to javascript?	00:41
@Haarg	of course, wgd already has a command for running util scripts, taking care of those details ;)	00:46
+perlDreamer	see? I told you people would like that	00:46
+perlDreamer	have you had a chance to review Command/Id.pm ?	00:47
@Haarg	yeah	00:47
@Haarg	a few thoughts	00:47
+perlDreamer	I was hoping you might	00:47
+perlDreamer	it wasn't well thought out	00:47
@Haarg	first is i'm wondering if it would make sense to combine it with the guid command	00:47
@Haarg	they have different purposes, but it are similar enough that it may make more sense to combine them	00:48
@Haarg	also, it would probably make sense to be able to return the full uploads path for a storage id, since that is the main purpose of converting to hex	00:48
+perlDreamer	definitely	00:49
@tavisto	dude I hear the ice cream man... it's like 45 in Michigan.. what the heck	00:49
@tavisto	perlDreamer, stop driving around my neighborhood in your creepy ice cream van	00:50
+perlDreamer	tavisto, would you like some ice cream?	00:50
@tavisto	no, but you've got all these flavors I've never heard of. Joomla? Drupal? Plone? What the crap is this stuff	00:50
@Haarg	patspam was thinking that guid could be part of a command to generate other useful things, but i'm not sure what other things like that could be done	00:51
+perlDreamer	we can ask him when he wakes up	00:51
@Haarg	i don't think he had come up with anything either, just that it would make sense to combine it with something like that	00:52
+perlDreamer	I'll look into merging Id with Guid	00:52
+perlDreamer	that will probably mean making Guid generation a switch	00:52
@Haarg	that's the other thing	00:52
@Haarg	it does make sense to merge them	00:52
@Haarg	but it could make the interface a bit odd	00:53
+perlDreamer	wgd guid --make	00:53
+perlDreamer	wgd guid --make=N	00:53
+perlDreamer	wgd guid --toHex guid	00:53
+perlDreamer	wgd guid --path guid	00:53
+perlDreamer	wgd guid --valid guid	00:53
+perlDreamer	if there were no other switches, we could infer --make	00:54
@Haarg	and if a guid was given, assume --valid	00:57
+perlDreamer	I can do that	00:58
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+perlDreamer	in javascript, does: for group in (groups) iterate over the elements of the array, groups?	01:07
@Haarg	usually	01:13
@Haarg	but it's probably not a good idea	01:13
+perlDreamer	it's better to index manually?	01:13
@Haarg	yeah, because you can attach properties and methods to arrays	01:15
@Haarg	and it would iterate over those as well	01:15
+perlDreamer	makes sense, but in this case the array is well controlled since it's the output of split	01:15
@Haarg	yeah, but as a general rule i think it's something to avoid	01:16
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+perlDreamer	interesting, if the data for datatable is empty, it will not call the formatter routine on that cell	01:21
+perlDreamer	of course, it helps if you actually call the correct formatter...	01:31
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+perlDreamer	word to the wise	03:01
+perlDreamer	GUIDs are not safe javascript variable names	03:01
+perlDreamer	aside from database space, is there anything wrong with making GUIDs in hexadecimal format?	03:03
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+patspam	all hail the noob who commits his own site conf to svn!	03:38
+patspam	perlDreamer: thanks for spotting that =p	03:38
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+patspam	luckily it was just a dev conf file, so no sensitive passwords exposed	03:42
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+patspam	$rizen->approveRFE() has a bug, it keeps on returning "ACK" instead of "APPROVED FOR IMMEDIATE COMMIT"	03:48
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+perlDreamer	patspam, phew	03:55
* perlDreamer was away at dinner		03:55
+perlDreamer	Haarg, are you running tests, by chance?	03:57
@Haarg	yeah, i have a few fixes	03:57
+patspam	impressive: http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups	03:58
@Haarg	committed	03:58
+patspam	can we get a wobject that does that in 7.8?	03:58
@Haarg	7.8?	03:59
+patspam	oh ok, 7.7 will be fine	03:59
+perlDreamer	7.8 == 8.0	03:59
@Haarg	i doubt anyone would object if you wanted to build it	04:00
+perlDreamer	patspam, some testing eye candy for you: http://perldreamer.com/uploads/ca/54/ca54e8e117d433b072c755170bbe4ca3/output.html	04:00
+perlDreamer	JS enabled HTML test reports	04:00
+patspam	nice!	04:01
+patspam	perl tools are finally going web 2.0	04:01
+patspam	whatever that means..	04:01
+perlDreamer	they're purdy	04:02
+perlDreamer	cliky-cliky	04:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10257 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added changes to changelog for 7.7.3	04:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10258 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (SyndicatedContent.pm Collaboration.pm): move back compat method to correct class	04:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10259 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.t: prevent test from leaking users and surveys	04:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10260 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): adjusting tests for new behavior	04:25
+patspam	Haarg: thanks for fixing my broken tests	04:27
+patspam	btw, I vote that you add WGDev::Asset::find to WebGUI::Asset	04:29
+perlDreamer	what does find do?	04:30
+perlDreamer	fuzzy matching on URLs?	04:30
+perlDreamer	oh	04:30
+perlDreamer	I see	04:30
+perlDreamer	mine brain is shot from javascript	04:30
@Haarg	it could be useful for macros to use	04:30
+patspam	i can think of at least 1 macro where I've re-implemented that	04:31
+perlDreamer	AssetProxy would use it	04:31
+patspam	yeah, and most of them that allow a template param	04:32
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@Haarg	i'll have to talk to rizen about it	04:42
@Haarg	not sure if he'll want to add an ambiguous behavior like that	04:42
* patspam heads off for lunch		05:02
+perlDreamer	Haarg, how's the release coming? Would it be okay to make some POD coverage commits, or is it better to wait?	05:07
@Haarg	go ahead	05:08
+perlDreamer	committed	05:08
+perlDreamer	10261	05:08
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10261 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): POD Coverage for Event, SQLReport, Survey, Navigation, Article, and Form/HTMLArea	05:20
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+perlDreamer	bbl, might get skype working on the laptop tonight :)	06:13
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+perlDreamer	w00t! Skype is working	06:35
+perlDreamer	now, if fedora will fix the keyboard/mouse detection bugs in its fast startup service	06:37
+perlDreamer	and I can figure out what happened to DVD playback	06:37
+perlDreamer	this laptop will rock	06:37
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@preaction_	not the bad way, i hope	07:41
@preaction_	er.. the hard way	07:41
+patspam	in the "i wish haarg would add the ability to.. oh wait maybe i should read to docs first and see if it's already there.." way	07:58
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bpmedley	anyone here?	13:42
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10264 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.7.4 dev	15:55
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+perlmonkey2	Death to lazy load	18:02
SDuensin	I thought it was to Smoochy?	18:03
@Haarg	in what context perlmonkey2?	18:04
@Haarg	also, rizen approved upgrading yui to 2.7, but that will only happen if i find the time to do all the needed changes/testing	18:05
+perlmonkey2	Haarg: SurveyJSON was failing on initialization, but the error was coming from a random call to fill out a template. Took me a while to track it back to the object being initialized in that call.	18:05
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+perlmonkey2	Haarg: well that is pretty sweet man, but don't worry about my retarded projects. 2.7 will probably help with some issues I was having with customizing the mouse-over popups on the charts, but the defaults are workable. Other than that, 2.6 is good enough for now.	18:06
@Haarg	it would probably be best to upgrade it, so i'm going to try to get it done, but it's not a high priority by any means	18:07
+perlmonkey2	Haarg: just let me know what I can do to help. need me to look through the list of widgets that have changed names or anything?	18:08
+perlmonkey2	I know charts has gone from -experimental to -beta.	18:08
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@Haarg	the primary things are to check anything that has changed to from beta to stable	18:09
@Haarg	element for example	18:09
+perlmonkey2	hmm, actually it is now just charts with no modifier	18:09
@Haarg	we won't make a ton of use of element directly though, usually only as a prereq for other things	18:09
@Haarg	so it likely will work in most places just by changing the path	18:09
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, when running the tests, i've been seeing warnings about not being able to call disconnect on a dbh that has already had take_imp_data called on it during global destruction or something along those lines	18:34
* perlDreamer has seen that too, although only when running coverage		18:34
@Haarg	hmm	18:34
@Haarg	i've tried adding trace code, but haven't gotten the warnings to show up after doing that	18:35
@Haarg	at least i'm not the only person seeing it	18:36
+perlDreamer	Google isn't showing anything useful	18:41
+perlDreamer	and I don't know what we may have changed to make that start happening	18:41
+perlDreamer	let's try this line of reasoning	18:42
+perlDreamer	Session->close calls db->disconnect as the very first thing that it does	18:42
+perlDreamer	then it iterates over all internally cached keys (objects) and calls delete on each one	18:43
+perlDreamer	the first one it calls is _asset	18:43
+perlDreamer	when you destroy the asset, won't it call session->close on its copy of the session?	18:43
+perlDreamer	if that's true, then moving up the deletion of _db to the front may help	18:46
+perlDreamer	it doesn't	18:57
+perlDreamer	Haarg, you get this when you run any test, or all tests?	18:57
@Haarg	once or twice during a full run through the tests	18:58
+perlDreamer	do you remember from which tests?	18:58
+perlDreamer	it seems to happen when you try to call disconnect on a dbh handle twice	18:59
@Haarg	i think the sql macro did it a few times	18:59
@Haarg	but not always	18:59
@Haarg	it would probably be good to have DESTROY work different on WebGUI::SQL, but i'd just like to know what caused this to start before i change a bunch of stuff	19:00
+perlDreamer	it might not have been anything that we've done	19:01
+perlDreamer	since, on my machine, using Devel::Cover causes it to happen every time	19:01
+perlDreamer	and without it, it doesn't happen	19:01
+perlDreamer	(running User.t)	19:01
@Haarg	hmm	19:06
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+perlDreamer	either that, or it's been happening all along, and recent changes to DBI have made it show up	19:06
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+perlDreamer	the POD on DBI talks about take_imp_data	19:07
@Haarg	http://gist.github.com/93139	19:09
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@Haarg	might try making that change	19:09
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+perlDreamer	I'll try that on my end	19:12
+perlDreamer	okay, another data point, it doesn't show up in 7.7.0	19:14
+perlDreamer	(User.t, with Devel::Cover)	19:15
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+perlDreamer	between then and now, I added the Config and Setting restore code to WebGUI::Test	19:16
@Haarg	hm	19:17
@Haarg	that could be relevant	19:17
@Haarg	settings specifically	19:17
+perlDreamer	yes, and here's why	19:17
+perlDreamer	I cloned the whole settings object	19:17
+perlDreamer	including the session	19:17
+perlDreamer	when we close the original, there's still a reference to it in $originalSetting	19:17
+perlDreamer	which goes out of scope as the script ends	19:18
+perlDreamer	and then calls DESTROY, which tries to close the session, and then the dbh	19:18
+perlmonkey2	How would you transition from an ajax call to providing the user with a file download?	19:19
+perlDreamer	Haarg, that means that your patch should help, since it won't close it twice	19:22
+perlDreamer	or, maybe I should just clone the data part of the settings...	19:23
@Haarg	i think both would probably be good	19:23
+perlDreamer	when we do WebGUI 8, are we going to start using C::IO or Crud everywhere?	19:23
@Haarg	not certain	19:25
@Haarg	probably in more places	19:25
@Haarg	i'm probably going to add some methods to Config::JSON for interacting with arrays and bump WebGUI's version req so we can use them	19:26
+perlDreamer	like using List::MoreUtils insert_after?	19:26
+perlDreamer	a contains method would be nice, too	19:27
@Haarg	exactly	19:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10265 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Default Survey Question settings now save 100% of the answer configuration data. This will not affect previous Surveys, but allow new defaults to be more complex if desired.	19:27
+perlDreamer	$config->insert_after('key1', 'newKey') unless $config->contains('newKey')	19:27
@Haarg	adding things to ContentHandlers gets messed up far too often in upgrades	19:27
+perlDreamer	that would be beautiful	19:27
@Haarg	probably insert_before as well	19:28
@Haarg	well, insertBefore	19:28
+perlDreamer	yeah, "common" perl naming convention vs camelCase	19:28
+perlDreamer	you saw that Alias dinged Config::JSON because of that?	19:28
@Haarg	yes	19:29
@Haarg	not that i disagree	19:29
@Haarg	bumping the version req means i can do the config reset for tests easier	19:29
+perlDreamer	awesome	19:29
+perlDreamer	let me test the data clone, then commit	19:30
+perlDreamer	committed	19:34
* perlDreamer is glad he made Setting->get		19:34
+perlDreamer	return everything	19:34
+perlDreamer	I'm sorry if that caused you any headaches with the release, Haarg	19:34
@Haarg	not really	19:34
@Haarg	thanks for fixing it though	19:35
@Haarg	did you apply the disconnect patch as well?	19:35
+perlDreamer	No, I'll add it, too	19:35
+perlDreamer	committed	19:38
+perlDreamer	and the technical debt of WebGUI is held in balance	19:42
+perlDreamer	hm, there must be more problems with RSS, since the news on wG.org is still broken	19:48
@Haarg	heh	19:49
@Haarg	which page?	19:49
+perlDreamer	wg.org/participate	19:49
@Haarg	i just didn't notice that one to fix it	19:50
+perlDreamer	but if you put in a backwards compatible sub into the CS, it shouldn't need to be fixed...?	19:54
@Haarg	no, the feeds linked to the RSSFromParent assets, which had their own distinct urls	19:55
+perlDreamer	so we're still going to see RSS breakage then	19:55
+perlDreamer	people could put a redirect into their apache config	19:56
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10266 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm:	19:56
CIA-38	WebGUI: Only clone the data from Setting. This prevents trying to close the	19:56
CIA-38	WebGUI: session dbh twice and getting odd warning messages.	19:56
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10267 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: Prevent closing dbh handles twice.	19:56
+perlDreamer	Haarg, do we need a gotcha about that, about RSS urls not working any longer?	20:17
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@Haarg	yeah, we do. i intended to add that but forgot to when making the other tweaks to the rss stuff.	20:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10268 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added default question type export function.	21:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10269 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Survey [[question variable]] now returns the shown answer text for multiple choice questions, and the recorded value for non-multiple choice questions.	21:01
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: how do I do the same thing as session->log->warn(Dumper $obj) in javascript?	21:02
@preaction_	perlDreamer: if you have Firebug, console.log( obj.toSource() )	21:03
@Haarg	console.log in you have firebug	21:03
+perlDreamer	do I need to define an obj.toSource, or is it provided for me?	21:03
@preaction_	toSource() is a built-in	21:03
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: bewares the Ides of March (and using console.log).	21:03
@preaction_	there's also YUI logger and YUI JSON which you could combine into a nice WebGUI.log package	21:04
+perlmonkey2	anything not using firebug will throw an impossible to determine exceptoin.	21:04
@Haarg	do you actually need the toSource when using console.log ?	21:04
+perlDreamer	preaction_: do you _really_ want me writing javascript libraries?	21:04
@preaction_	why not?	21:05
+perlmonkey2	Haarg: when I need some introspection I just use the debugger.	21:05
@preaction_	Haarg: dunno	21:05
+perlDreamer	patspam wrote a blog posting about YUI logging	21:05
+perlDreamer	it was in the latest WNN	21:06
@Haarg	if you are certain you will be removing it using console.log is probably easier	21:06
+perlDreamer	can I put console.log "anywhere" I want to?	21:11
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@Haarg	i think so	21:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10270 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	21:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: updated change log to reflect all new versions of modules and bug fixes	21:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: added upgrade to 0.9.2	21:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: removed legacy berkley db	21:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: added lcms color profiling for image magick	21:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: updated image magick to fix a few outstanding image generation issues	21:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10271 /wrebuild/build.sh: forgot to update version number for image magick in the build script	21:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10272 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh getsource.sh): making these executable in svn	21:29
+perlDreamer	while the debugger is running, I can look at variables.	21:35
+perlDreamer	is there a way to do that after the scripts have stopped running?	21:35
@preaction_	perlDreamer: yes, in the console you can type a var name and it will show up	21:37
+perlDreamer	that's helpful. thanks!	21:38
dionak	does anyone know where the new request tracker asset is available?	22:01
+perlDreamer	github?	22:01
@Haarg	nope	22:01
@Haarg	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/experimental/HelpDesk/ https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/experimental/HelpDesk/	22:02
dionak	ah, thanks Haarg	22:02
* perlDreamer goes running		22:04
dionak	so disciplined	22:04
dionak	does anyone here know about the HelpDesk asset?	22:13
dionak	i realize it's not ready for prime time yet	22:13
dionak	but i'd like to take it for a test run	22:13
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10273 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): added tiff support to image magick	22:53
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wgGuest32	How can I make the "add file" option in a file folder available to non admin users?	22:54
@preaction_	you have to add a permissions override to the config file, and then make a link for the add file that will show up in the template	23:02
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SDuensin	Anyone know where 1and1 is located? I can't kick their ass if I can't find them.	23:06
@preaction_	dunno, but i use them for all my stuff and i don't have problems. what's the dealio?	23:07
@preaction_	well, all my stuff means "domain registration and DNS"	23:07
SDuensin	Good god. Ok, here's what happened...	23:08
SDuensin	I have a dummy domain I test with before I break actual customer domains...	23:09
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SDuensin	I changed the primary and secondary name servers for it to something new I wanted to play with. Didn't do exactly what I wanted, so I set up my own copy of bind9 and pointed it at that...	23:09
SDuensin	Next thing I get is that the Domain Registration is in Error. I can no longer edit it...	23:10
@preaction_	wow	23:10
SDuensin	Oh, we're just getting started.	23:10
SDuensin	So I call tech support. The chain looks like this so far:	23:10
SDuensin	Tech->Dedicated->Transfers->Tech->EMail->Tech->Dedicated->Transfers	23:11
SDuensin	The lady in Transfers is the only one worth a shit. She tracked down the actual responsible people and got it fixed. Maybe.	23:11
SDuensin	Now some dude says if I want to change my name servers that I need to register the domain with Verisign. What?!	23:11
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SDuensin	Did I mention the transfer department asked me to email them my control panel password? Sheesh.	23:13
@tavisto	SDuesin, 1&1 has multiple data centers, their headquarters is in Chesterbook, PA	23:14
@tavisto	er SDuensin	23:14
@tavisto	:)	23:14
@tavisto	they have like 7.5 million customers so yeah, going thru support is like going through the american gladiators guantlet	23:14
SDuensin	Well, wherever Carol is, she needs a raise.	23:14
* SDuensin told her that, too.		23:14
@tavisto	I had a virtual server with them for about a month. And then I said the hell with this :)	23:15
SDuensin	I have two dedicated boxes and a ton of domains. Never had a problem before.	23:16
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10274 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10142: Matrix 2.0 - Search screen compare button not functional	23:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10275 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey.pm): Survey drag-and-drop now returns the edit box for the item just drug.	23:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10276 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10142: Matrix 2.0 - Search screen compare button not functional	23:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10277 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixed the matrix categories property	23:24
wgGuest87	How can I make a users not have to be admins and be able to add files to folders?	23:24
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wgGuest87	anybody?	23:26
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@preaction	wgGuest87: two things: you have to add a permissions override in the config file. you have to add a link in the template.	23:26
@preaction	i told you before you left last time	23:26
wgGuest87	Sorry about that, I was having computer issues	23:26
wgGuest87	Can you please resend your response?	23:27
@preaction	that was my response, right there	23:27
wgGuest87	Ok, thank you.	23:28
wgGuest87	So my next question is how do I provide a permissions overide? I would assume it goes into the html code for the template.	23:28
wgGuest87	May I have an example code please?	23:29
@preaction	no, the permissions override goes in the configuration file. check the configuration file for details	23:29
@preaction	i should mention that you can purchase a support-only service from Plain Black that will be far more reliable than any Joe Random IRC User	23:30
wgGuest87	Ok...	23:30
wgGuest87	Where is this config file located?	23:30
@preaction	the Administrator's Guide book, offered by Plain Black, also goes through all this stuff	23:31
@preaction	/data/WebGUI/etc	23:31
wgGuest87	Ok.	23:31
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wgGuest87	I can't seem to find the information needed... Is it possible you could direct me to the config file location? Is this something that has to be done on the server level?	23:38
@preaction	if "on the server level" you mean on a command-line, yes.	23:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10278 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh): added image magick color profile	23:53
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Chizad	Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of things to check to help track down scheduler tasks not running/webgui.log getting spammed with "response for job $site.conf-taskId had a communications error" messages?	00:08
Chizad	I've been trying to track this down for a few days now on a new install and AFAICT everything looks okay, but I know I've gotta be missing something.	00:09
Chizad	Environment is a base Ubuntu server 8.10 install with WRE 0.9.1 (also had the same issue with WRE 0.8.5).	00:10
+perlDreamer	you'd have to be more specific Chizad	00:11
+perlDreamer	which one isn't running	00:11
Chizad	None of them, AFAICT.	00:11
Chizad	And gimme a sec, I'm working on all the things I've tried/what I've found via troubleshooting. :)	00:12
+perlDreamer	have you read through the wiki and forums?	00:12
@preaction	cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test	00:12
Chizad	I've gone through the troubleshooting steps in the admin guide; the spectre test checks out fine, debug shows it trying to run the workflows/tasks, and whenver it hits a task it spits out the "response for job had a communications error" message along with a HTTP 500 error being returned from the server.	00:14
Chizad	spectreSubnets in the site config is set to 127.0.0.1/32 and the server's actual IP (also as a /32)	00:15
@preaction	Chizad: LWP does 500 errors for DNS lookups. is the domain name in the /etc/hosts file?	00:16
@preaction	LWP does 500 errors for a bunch of things that don't have http status codes	00:17
Chizad	Yes, in /etc/hosts I've got the short/long hostnames (i.e 'hostname' and 'hostname.domain.tld' aliased to the machine's IP)	00:19
@preaction	but not 127.0.0.1?	00:20
Chizad	As well as the default 127.0.0.1 localhost bit	00:20
Chizad	No, 127.0.0.1 is just aliased to localhost.	00:20
@preaction	i'm suspecting it's some sort of DNS+connection problem. can you do a "wget http://sitename/?op=spectreGetSiteData"	00:20
@preaction	and have a JSON hash returned?	00:21
Chizad	Yes.	00:21
Chizad	And running the workflows manually with curl/wget returns complete, but running a task manually with curl returns 'error'	00:21
@preaction	check the webgui error log then	00:22
@preaction	'error' responses show up there	00:22
+perlDreamer	default error log level set wrong?	00:22
Chizad	webgui.log is filled with blocks of the following for each of the default workflows/tasks: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4ac64339	00:25
+perlDreamer	Chizad, are all the workflowId errors in that log starting with "pbcron"	00:27
+perlDreamer	also, while we're here, what version of WebGUI, do you use the WRE, if so, which version?	00:27
+perlDreamer	what does the output of sbin/testEnvironment.pl --simpleReport say?	00:27
Chizad	All the crontab errors in the log start with pbcron, all the workflow errors do not	00:28
Chizad	Currently on WebGUI 7.6.19, although the problem also existed in 7.16.17, 7.16.16, and 7.6.15 (initial install version).	00:29
Chizad	And I am using the WRE, current version is 0.9.1, but first noticed the problem when I was running 0.8.5	00:29
+perlDreamer	everything else about WebGUI works fine? Logging in, turning on admin, uploading and downloading files?	00:33
Chizad	testenvironment output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5e36d6df	00:33
Chizad	yep	00:33
Chizad	logging in, admin mode, adding/editing objects, committing version tags, importing packages, all works fine.	00:33
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+perlDreamer	committing version tags? Do you use autocommit?	00:34
+perlDreamer	Which OS?	00:35
Chizad	Ubuntu 8.10 server	00:35
+perlDreamer	SELinux?	00:35
Chizad	and by autocommit do you mean "commit without approval" for version tag workflow? (sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm a webgui newb)	00:35
Chizad	hmmm, I think 8.10 might have SELinux at least partially enabled by default	00:36
SDuensin	Hey perlDreamer, where is the MAX_BODY setting hidden?	00:36
+perlDreamer	why not check your logs to see if you're getting SELinux warnings, too.	00:36
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, what is MAX_BODY?	00:36
SDuensin	(20014)Internal error: Content-Length header (115204477) exceeds configured max_body limit (67108864), referer: http://vgs.jaegertech.net/2009?func=add;class=WebGUI::Asset::FilePile	00:37
SDuensin	Something to do with modperl, apparently.	00:37
+perlDreamer	that's not a WebGUI setting	00:37
+perlDreamer	sounds like apache	00:37
SDuensin	Bad user! It's in the wiki. :-)	00:38
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, that's either 50 karma or 500 pushups, whichever you prefer	00:41
Chizad	Okay, AFAICT ubuntu (server anyway) has selinux disabled (only mentions I'm finding are in kern.log/dmesg saying it's disabled at boot), but it does have AppArmor installed, which is a selinux-alike.	00:41
+perlDreamer	if you choose the karma route, please give it to BartJol	00:41
SDuensin	He can give it back - that wiki entry is confusing. Is it APREQ2_ReadLimit or APREQ_ReadLimit? Make up your mind! :-P	00:42
Chizad	However, apparmor does not have any profiles set up.	00:42
Chizad	Hmmm, I know I've checked this before, but I just noticed something.	00:47
Chizad	Some of the threads I found in the forums mentioned checking spectreIp/spectrePort/spectreSubnets in the site's .conf as well as the ip/port/webguiPort settings in spectre.conf	00:47
Chizad	spectreIp is set to just 127.0.0.1 and not that and the actual IP of the server. Is that correct?	00:48
+perlDreamer	that should work fine	00:52
Chizad	okay	00:53
Chizad	for completeness sake, here's the rest of those settings: spectre's port is set to 32133 in both the site .conf and spectre.conf, spectre's set to run on 127.0.0.1, and the webguiPort is 8081	00:57
+perlDreamer	Chizad, those settings look all right	01:02
+perlDreamer	although I can't speak about the webguiPort setting, since I don't use the WRE	01:02
* perlDreamer strongly suspects apparmor		01:03
Chizad	site was created via the wreconsole following the instructions in the wiki, and until noticed the errors in webgui.log and started trying to troubleshoot this I hadn't so much as looked at any of the conf files, let alone modified them.	01:03
+perlDreamer	that's why I'm suspecting something in the native OS	01:04
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Chizad	okay, lemme disable apparmor real quick	01:07
Chizad	Completely removed apparmor, rebooted the server, still gettting the same communication error message.	01:14
Chizad	Ya think maybe it just doesn't like me? ;)	01:21
+perlDreamer	thou art cursed	01:21
+perlDreamer	perl spectre.pl --test works okay?	01:21
+perlDreamer	wget http://www.mysite.com?op=spectreSetSiteData works okay?	01:22
+perlDreamer	what user are you doing that as?	01:22
+perlDreamer	root?	01:22
Chizad	'perl spectre.pl --test' returns "Running connectivity tests.\n Testing ThePortal.conf\n Tests completed"	01:23
Chizad	And wgetting the op=spectreSetSiteData returns the HTML for the home page, which I assume is what it's supposed to do.	01:25
+perlDreamer	no	01:25
+perlDreamer	that isn't what it is supposed to do	01:25
+perlDreamer	it's supposed to return you a piece of javascript	01:25
Chizad	huh	01:26
Chizad	and yes, I've been running all of my debug commands and everything as root	01:27
+perlDreamer	like this: http://gist.github.com/93338	01:27
+perlDreamer	and I mistyped the wget command	01:27
+perlDreamer	it should be wget http://www.mysite.com?op=spectreGetSiteData	01:28
Chizad	ahhh, okay	01:28
Chizad	yes, that returns the JSON object wiht the workflow instances and scheduler tasks	01:29
+perlDreamer	on your machine right now, is spectre running as root, or some other user?	01:29
Chizad	right now it's running as root because I started it manually in debug mode	01:30
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Chizad	But normally (when I let it start on boot with the initscripts) it's running as root as well.	01:31
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10279 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Carousel.pm Asset_Thingy.pm): Update from translation server	01:52
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10280 /translations/German/German/Workflow_Activity_RemoveOldCarts.pm: Update from translation server	01:52
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10281 /translations/German/German/Asset_FlatDiscount.pm: Update from translation server	01:52
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10282 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	01:52
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add missing template variables to the Story Archive.	01:52
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add RSS and atom template variables.	01:52
+perlDreamer	tavisto, when I go to the link you posted in bug, I get a pop-up	02:16
+perlDreamer	alert box	02:16
+perlDreamer	do you?	02:16
@tavisto	which link	02:17
+perlDreamer	http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix/cms-matrix/webgui?func=viewScreenshot	02:17
+perlDreamer	I get a little pop-up that says func=getAttributes	02:17
@tavisto	yeah it's debug code	02:18
@tavisto	I already posted it as bug	02:18
@tavisto	and Yung fixed it. It was extra debug code	02:18
+perlDreamer	it's still there	02:19
+perlDreamer	oh, but not activated yet	02:19
+perlDreamer	?	02:19
@tavisto	well the new version it will be fixed	02:31
@tavisto	perlDreamer, I thought he closed the bug report re: the debug code	02:32
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10283 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Adding RSS and Atom template variables to the Story Topic.	02:41
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wgGuest91	I'm having some trouble with User Lists. I've set profile to public for each user and also in the template I've selected override public. It still shows as "Field Not Public" in the list. If I log in as the user, their listing is normal. Any ideas?	05:14
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+perlDreamer	wgGuest91, is there a difference between Field Not Public, and Profile Not public?	07:19
+perlDreamer	each field has its own privacy setting	07:19
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wgGuest91	Where is the privacy setting for each field set?	09:27
wgGuest91	Is it global or per profile?	09:27
@preaction	wgGuest91: you can set them in the User Profile tab of the admin console	09:46
@preaction	but it is also per profile as well	09:46
+Radix_	you can set the defaults for new users by altering the visitor profile	09:48
+Radix_	but it will not affect users accounts who have already been created	09:49
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CIA-38	WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10284 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	18:33
CIA-38	WebGUI: fixed dragDrop to use a handle rather than the whole	18:33
CIA-38	WebGUI: object for dragdrop start events.	18:33
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10285 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10141: Matrix 2.0 - Search does not check matching products	20:29
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Khaytsus	I'm in the process of upgrading from 7.4.19 to the latest. I updated along the path suggested by the gotcha text, I updated to 7.4.40 first, worked. 7.5.24 fine, now 7.6.19, but when I run testEnvironment now it says WebGUI modules: Not Found. Perhaps you're running this script from the wrong place.	20:48
Khaytsus	And not sure how to progress from here. :/	20:49
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10286 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10141: Matrix 2.0 - Search does not check matching products	21:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10287 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrixSearch.js: fixing a javascript error in matrix search screen	21:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10288 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrixSearch.js: fixed a javascript error on matrix search screen	21:01
@Haarg	Khaytsus, did it find the rest of the modules properly?	21:13
Khaytsus	Yeah, no errors to there.	21:31
Khaytsus	I'm trying an earlier package, to see if it helps	21:31
Khaytsus	Having a alittle weirdness with upgrade and tables	21:32
@Haarg	in what way?	21:32
Khaytsus	Adding URL column to assetHistoryDBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate column name 'url' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135.	21:33
@Haarg	sounds like a busted upgrade	21:33
@Haarg	what has your proceedure been so far?	21:34
Khaytsus	Following the gotcha document, upgrading whenever it says "you must have xyz"	21:34
Khaytsus	Maybe I'll start over.. heh	21:34
@Haarg	but what versions etc?	21:34
Khaytsus	7.4.19 -> 7.4.40 -> 7.5.24 -> 7.5.40 -> 7.6.19 (last one is failing)	21:35
Khaytsus	In upgrade it's actually failing 7.5.40-7.6.10	21:35
@Haarg	a warning - if you were to extract the 7.6.19 tarball, then extract the 7.5.40 tarball, it could lead to problems when you tried to run the 7.5.40 upgrade	21:37
Khaytsus	I might have actually done that to be honest, I didn't notice I needed 7.5.40 until after I started 7.6.19	21:38
Khaytsus	I'm gonna fall back to 7.4.19 and start over	21:38
@Haarg	that sounds like a good idea	21:39
@Haarg	just be sure to erase the WebGUI/docs/upgrades directory before extracting an older tarball and it will prevent those problems	21:39
Khaytsus	Ah, I'll do that.	21:43
Khaytsus	Okay, 7.4.19 is back up	21:43
Khaytsus	7.4.19 -> 7.4.40 -> 7.5.24 -> 7.5.40 -> 7.6.19 sounds okay to you?	21:43
@Haarg	yes	21:43
Khaytsus	kk	21:43
* Khaytsus rubs hands together		21:44
@Haarg	although you shouldn't need to stop at 7.5.24	21:44
Khaytsus	Thanks for your help, by the way!	21:44
Khaytsus	ah, okay I'll skip that one then	21:44
@Haarg	hopefully it works better this time	21:44
Khaytsus	So let me doublecheck something.. What I'm doing is this: Unsquish tar on top of existing, go into sbin, run testEnv to make sure my modules are up to snuff, then run upgrade	21:45
Khaytsus	Of course now, the modules should be good, but :)	21:45
@Haarg	yep, that's correct	21:45
Khaytsus	I'm sure whatever it was, it was user error. Upgrades have always gone well for me with WebGUI :)	21:50
Khaytsus	Hmm, I got up tp 7.5.40, but now the testEnvironment script from 7.6.19 is reporting WebGUI modules: Not Found. Perhaps you're running this script from the wrong place.	21:52
@Haarg	what happens if you run perl -mWebGUI -e1	21:53
@Haarg	?	21:53
@Haarg	well, you'd probably need to run perl -I/data/WebGUI/lib -mWebGUI -e1	21:54
Khaytsus	Yeah, that's what I was gonna sak ;-)	21:54
Khaytsus	Can't locate Clone.pm in @INC	21:54
@Haarg	hmm	21:55
@Haarg	well, that's less than ideal	21:55
@Haarg	you should be able to install that module fine	21:55
Khaytsus	That a WebGUI module?	21:55
@Haarg	but that would mean we missed a prereq in testEnv	21:55
Khaytsus	ooh, okay	21:55
Khaytsus	cpan I go	21:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10289 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.4/root_import_carousel_carousel-hidden-textareas.wgpkg: small change to Carousel hidden textarea template	21:55
Khaytsus	Hmmm, do you know offhand what might be it? Hash::Merge maybe?	21:56
@Haarg	it should just be Clone	21:56
Khaytsus	kiss :)	21:57
Khaytsus	yay, no error with the test	21:58
Khaytsus	upgrade running	21:58
Khaytsus	WebGUI Build Version:7.6.19-stable	21:59
Khaytsus	Yay!	21:59
Khaytsus	Hmmmm, odd, admin mode is drawn all over the place, instead of the menu on the lefthand side.	22:01
Khaytsus	Probably a template setting of mine or such..	22:05
@Haarg	most likely	22:08
@Haarg	not clear on what you mean by drawn all over the place though	22:08
Khaytsus	http://imagebin.org/45167	22:15
Khaytsus	Looks fine with admin off, so the site is okay, just a bit wacky with the admin right now	22:18
@Haarg	seems like it's not loading the css or the js properly	22:25
Khaytsus	duh, let me check logs then, didn't consider that	22:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10290 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added some tmpl_vars to thingy's search template	22:26
Khaytsus	File does not exist: /data/domains/webgui.theblackmoor.net/public/extras/yui/build/menu/assets/skins	22:27
Khaytsus	'spect that's part of it	22:27
Khaytsus	Yep, I never knew I needed to replace the /domains/site/public/extras, probably missed that somewhere	22:31
Khaytsus	One more odd thing is when I go to manage assets, it never shows 'em.. Where it would list them, it just shows "Loading..." forever.	22:37
Khaytsus	heh, now it loads. It was just waiting for me to ask one more dumb question.	22:39
@Haarg	usually extras is done as an alias directly to /data/WebGUI/www/extras	22:40
Khaytsus	:o	22:40
Khaytsus	I had copied	22:40
Khaytsus	I'll fix that so it won't happen again	22:40
Khaytsus	Alrighty, looks good now. I probably need to look into merging the old Style 02 I had modified for myself into the Style 03, but right now things look good. Thank you for all of your help!	22:45
@Haarg	no problem	22:46
Khaytsus	It's a shame what little I use of WebGUI, but better too much than too little I guess.	22:50
Khaytsus	ie: I scratch the surface of what it can do	22:50
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daviddelikat	elnino hows it going	23:14
elnino	I'm directionless. =) I have things I should be doing, but not, and things am I doing that aren't that important. =( Other than that. great!	23:14
daviddelikat	sounds like every day to me	23:15
elnino	And to top it all, IT's BEAUTIFUL outside. I should be outside getting vit D instead of surfing for who knows what.	23:17
daviddelikat	I don't hava window so that helps	23:18
daviddelikat	but the internet is enough distraction...	23:18
elnino	daviddelikat - do you know anything about alexa?	23:27
elnino	.com?	23:27
daviddelikat	not really	23:27
elnino	ok	23:27
daviddelikat	thinking about investing	23:28
daviddelikat	?	23:28
elnino	like I said. Just surfing, I've come across it a couple times, wondering what it's all about.	23:28
daviddelikat	I think they use data from search engines to rank web sites	23:29
elnino	I wonder which engines	23:32
daviddelikat	yahoo, google, all the big ones.	23:32
daviddelikat	they have stats that you can access	23:33
daviddelikat	http://www.google.com/trends	23:35
elnino	cool- google tracks the flu. There's a tangent I didn't expect. oh. I'm going to get off the computer and organize now.. Have a good day daviddelikat!	23:43
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CIA-38	WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10291 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Date.pm):	02:18
CIA-38	WebGUI: Form::Date::toHtml was coded to set value tgo the default this caused	02:18
CIA-38	WebGUI: the default value to be displayed in some cases.	02:18
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10292 /translations/Serbian/ (168 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	00:10
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10293 /translations/Serbian/Serbian/DateTime.pm: Update from translation server	00:10
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10294 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added alphanumeric sort button to Matrix defaul view	00:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10295 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added alphanumeric sort button to Matrix default view	00:39
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10296 /translations/Portuguese/Portuguese/ (6 files): Update from translation server	01:41
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CIA-38	WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10297 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed bug 9989: thing pagination no longer includes datasave params	04:06
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat, if you're fixing bugs, don't forget to backport them to the 7.6 branch	04:07
* perlDreamer will be back later		04:08
daviddelikat	thanks perlDreamer	04:13
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daviddelikat	where do packages go for stable bug fixes?	05:08
daviddelikat	this is just a simple template edit	05:10
daviddelikat	brb	05:10
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat: /data/branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/packages_{correct_package_version}	05:11
daviddelikat	so the last package directory is versioned 7.6.8, is that the correct one?	05:14
daviddelikat	perlDreamer: I thought those directories were used by the upgrade process?	05:15
+perlDreamer	they are	05:15
daviddelikat	is there an upgrade for bugfix reledases?	05:15
+perlDreamer	there is only 1 upgrade process	05:15
+perlDreamer	it does new issues, and bugfixes as well	05:16
daviddelikat	I thought new stuff would not go out to stable sites	05:16
daviddelikat	oh, I get it.	05:16
daviddelikat	never mind...	05:17
+perlDreamer	:)	05:18
+perlDreamer	Happy Easter, daviddelikat	05:18
daviddelikat	he is risen...	05:19
+perlDreamer	He is risen, indeed	05:21
CIA-38	WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10298 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs):	05:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: fixed bug 9989: thing pagination no longer includes datasave params	05:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: fixed bug 9764: dragDrop to use a handle rather than the whole	05:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: object for dragdrop start events.	05:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: fixed bug 10122: Form::Date::toHtml was coded to set value tgo the default this caused	05:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: the default value to be displayed in some cases.	05:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10299 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm: Correct the Group.pm POD for delete.	05:40
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10300 /WebGUI/t/ (Group.t Asset/Asset.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm Asset/Post.t):	06:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: Provide a way for WebGUI::Test to register groups to clean up at	06:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: the end of a test.	06:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: Convert several tests to use that, including Post.t, which leaked Groups.	06:19
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dionak	does anyone know of an existing macro that i can pass a file asset Id and get the web url back? I am using a sql report that is pulling data from thingy	17:57
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+perlDreamer	brief announcement	18:31
+perlDreamer	WebGUI Network News issue #2 is released	18:31
+perlDreamer	http://perldreamer.com/wnn/issue-2	18:31
+perlDreamer	as requested, it's in web format	18:32
+perlDreamer	and I think weekly is too frequent, as there's not as much content in issue #2 as issue #1	18:32
+perlDreamer	any thoughts?	18:37
+perlDreamer	did I miss any newsworthy news last week?	18:37
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10301 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed product/manufacturer links for pending matrix listings	18:52
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10302 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed product/manufacturer links on pending matrix lisstings	18:52
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@rizen	the only thing you missed, because i didn't announce it (bad JT) is big bugfix day tomorrow	19:06
@rizen	whole PB staff will be working on it	19:06
@rizen	hopefully community too	19:06
@rizen	i'm announcing it in my blog this morning	19:06
* perlDreamer puts on his bug busting hat		19:07
+perlDreamer	I'm sure that all 7 WNN readers will be there, too :)	19:07
+perlDreamer	and in non-WebGUI news, I got skype up and working on my laptop over the weekend	19:08
@steveo_aa	When modifying a schema table for a Wobject class, I seem to be having a problem getting asset->update to save to that field. Am I missing something obvious?	19:10
+perlDreamer	more details?	19:10
@Haarg	you added it to the table and the definition?	19:11
@steveo_aa	Not the definition. Of course..	19:12
@steveo_aa	Thanks.	19:12
+perlmonkey2	Just presented to a classroom on Computational Linguistics. Whew, I am wore out. I have no idea how professors can teach all day long. 1 hour killed me.	19:14
@steveo_aa	Routine. They have a plan and the materials already in alignment.	19:15
+perlDreamer	steveo_aa, I think he's talking about execution, rather than planning	19:16
@steveo_aa	Indeed. There is a comfort level in experience.	19:17
@steveo_aa	And some Professors love the sound of their own voice.	19:17
+perlmonkey2	steveo_aa: It was a very interactive session, with the class being mostly seniors with lots of interesting insightful questions. Plus it wasn't occurring through IRC :P	19:20
+perlDreamer	is this something that you're going to do regularly, perlmonkey2?	19:20
+perlmonkey2	12 slides ran over the hour.	19:20
@steveo_aa	Sounds like you had an engaging topic and robust discussion. Congratulations.	19:21
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: no, My wife was teaching a linguistics course that has a chapter on Computational Linguistics. I have some experience in it, didn't cost anything to bring in a speaker, and could shed some tiny bit of light on the subject for them.	19:21
+perlmonkey2	steveo_aa: yes, was fun. Very fun. :)	19:21
+perlmonkey2	I encourage everyone to get their PhD and teach. Those guys have it made.	19:22
+perlDreamer	what?	19:22
+perlDreamer	you're giving up the dream of self-power?	19:22
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+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: eh? no, if I was to get my PhD it would be at Duluth, which I think has an average yearly temp of -50F. And I'd have to move. And my wife would have to find a tenure track somewhere close. Although I don't know why I couldnt' take the wind turbines with me :P	19:23
+perlDreamer	aside from being big and heavy ;)	19:26
+perlmonkey2	Thousands of feet of steel cable, 12' blades, 60 meter towers, and heavy generators....bah, couple of suitcases.	19:28
+perlDreamer	indeed. It just depends on how you pack it	19:29
+perlDreamer	Haarg, did you see my WebGUI::Test addition last night?	19:29
@Haarg	for groups?	19:30
+perlDreamer	yes	19:30
@Haarg	saw the changelog entry	19:30
+perlDreamer	Do you think it's overkill? Because I'm thinking of adding similar setups for users and storage locations	19:30
@Haarg	i like it	19:30
@Haarg	making tests simpler is makes it easier on everyone	19:30
@Haarg	might be worth having something for version tags as well	19:31
@Haarg	since that would also take care of assets	19:31
+perlDreamer	yes	19:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10303 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t):	20:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: Convert Story asset to use Class::C3 properly.	20:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add a method to duplicate the photo collateral JSON data, with tests.	20:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: Make addRevision and duplicate use that method.	20:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10304 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Story.t: Add tests that _really_ check for duplicated storage locations.	20:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10305 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Story.t: Add valid storageId checks for duplication, since '' ne storageId.	20:02
+perlDreamer	bbl	20:11
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10306 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (66 files in 25 dirs): Merge up to 10305	20:32
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+perlDreamer	with all these auxiliary methods, WebGUI::Test is going to need a test	20:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10307 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/ (Asset/Story.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm):	21:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add an autoclean-up method to WebGUI::Test, and convert the Story test	21:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: to use it.	21:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10308 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Forward port auto storage deletion code for WebGUI::Test.	21:01
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10309 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm: Update POD for several methods.	21:01
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+perlDreamer	BartJol!	21:04
+perlDreamer	Where have you been, dude?	21:04
+BartJol	it's me!	21:04
+BartJol	well, demolishing the house	21:04
dreamersgirl	Maybe he's suffering from home-improvement-itis like me.	21:04
dreamersgirl	:)	21:04
dreamersgirl	Demolishing?	21:04
+BartJol	and my internet was broken	21:04
dreamersgirl	Is anything left?	21:04
+BartJol	removed two walls	21:05
dreamersgirl	oooh. fun!	21:05
+BartJol	the outer walls and a toilet	21:05
+perlDreamer	don't get any ideas, dreamersgirl...	21:05
dreamersgirl	Don't worry, pD, I'm still elbow-deep in drywall mud.	21:05
+BartJol	well, since Sarah isn't coming, some americans should come over here	21:05
+perlDreamer	huh?	21:05
dreamersgirl	:)	21:06
+perlDreamer	what happened?	21:06
+perlDreamer	did the virus brigade get her?	21:06
+BartJol	well two friends couldn't come, so the whole trip is cancelled	21:06
dreamersgirl	we're american...	21:06
dreamersgirl	bummer!!!	21:06
+BartJol	so when are you coming?	21:07
dreamersgirl	:)	21:07
@preaction	wait, isn't the big dog gonna be in Portugal pretty soon?	21:07
dreamersgirl	I hear plane tickets are cheap right now....	21:07
+BartJol	yup	21:07
* perlDreamer starts to cry		21:07
@preaction	and Frank is coming with him I believe	21:07
+perlDreamer	but Frank isn't as cute as Sarah	21:07
@preaction	no, there is that	21:07
+BartJol	I'm afraid I won't make it to Portugal	21:07
@preaction	but Frank can drink more than Sarah	21:07
@preaction	and it's less akward to put your hand on Frank's bum	21:08
@preaction	awww	21:08
+BartJol	Frank the Tank!	21:08
+BartJol	why less awkward?	21:08
@preaction	because he's not my boss's wife?	21:08
+BartJol	I consider that action more doubtfull	21:08
+BartJol	mmm, that's a good reason	21:08
+perlDreamer	well, he's not BartJol's bosses wife, so maybe that is okay?	21:09
* perlDreamer runs to check for biblical references on that one		21:09
+BartJol	well, Koen isn't physically able to manhandle me	21:09
+perlDreamer	no, sorry. It's right there.	21:10
+perlDreamer	Do not covet another man's wife (or put your hand on her bum)	21:10
+BartJol	ah	21:10
+perlDreamer	If you do it, they take you to the city gates, and kill you with rocks	21:10
+BartJol	where's that? 10 commandments?	21:10
+perlDreamer	Yup	21:11
@preaction	i thought it was "take you to the city gates and get stoned"	21:11
@preaction	and i always thought that was a weird ... "punishment"	21:11
dreamersgirl	for some definition of stoned....	21:11
+perlDreamer	modern vernacular demands a new translation of that phrase	21:11
+BartJol	mm, Delft has a city gate, so it is really possible	21:11
+BartJol	mmm, I can't find the punishment in my bible	21:14
dreamersgirl	So, BartJol, how far is Delft from Amsterdam?	21:16
+BartJol	60 km, or 45 miles I think (rough computation)	21:16
+BartJol	maybe a bit more	21:16
+BartJol	are you in Amsterdam?	21:17
+perlDreamer	no, but she wants to be	21:17
+perlDreamer	BartJol, it's in the book of Leviticus	21:18
+BartJol	ah, I have a strange bible it seems	21:18
+perlDreamer	http://biblestudy.crosswalk.com/mybst/default.aspx?type=bible&translation=NIV&bookcode=le&bookname=Leviticus&chapterid=20&verseid=10	21:18
+BartJol	mmm, maybe I have another	21:18
+BartJol	I do	21:19
+perlDreamer	which bible is that?	21:19
+BartJol	The living word	21:20
+BartJol	but it's only the new testament	21:20
+BartJol	I got it from a weirdo at the supermarket, who spoke to me because he thought I was bad, because I bought a beer called "DUvel"	21:22
+BartJol	which translates as demon	21:22
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@preaction	okay, now i have to try that beer	21:23
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* perlDreamer has only heard of beer made from hops.		21:23
+BartJol	it is a good beer	21:23
+BartJol	In my other bible it says that both should be executed	21:24
+perlDreamer	you're right.	21:25
+BartJol	of course	21:25
+BartJol	May I ask on what subject I am right?	21:26
+perlDreamer	that they should be executed, which means that if you're out of rocks, you may kill them via another method	21:27
+BartJol	well, I believe that is a bit old skool	21:27
dreamersgirl	just a bit	21:28
+BartJol	:)	21:28
+perlDreamer	okay, new subject.	21:28
+perlDreamer	BartJol, have you heard of WebGUI Network News?	21:28
+BartJol	yeah	21:28
+perlDreamer	what do you think?	21:29
+BartJol	it's nice\	21:29
+BartJol	gives some good info	21:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10310 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): Add storage locations to package data for a Story. With tests.	21:31
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kegaro	Hello.	21:45
+perlDreamer	hello	21:45
kegaro	I have downloaded and installed the source wre onto a debian box.	21:46
kegaro	the compile went okay...no errors that I can find.	21:46
+perlDreamer	I would still recommend that you search the forums, because someone is working on a debian package for WebGUI	21:46
kegaro	but mysql will not start.	21:46
kegaro	oh really??	21:46
kegaro	that would be cool.	21:46
+perlDreamer	yup	21:46
kegaro	I searched through the forums...I've been doing that all day, actually. :-)	21:47
+perlDreamer	also, if you install the WRE, you have to remove the default my.cnf that comes with your system	21:47
kegaro	I did that. I found a post about that and removed the /etc/mysql/my.cnf	21:47
kegaro	but it didn't help.	21:47
+perlDreamer	is there already a mysql process running on the system?	21:48
kegaro	nope.	21:48
+perlDreamer	what does mysql say when you try to start it?	21:48
kegaro	it was never installed on this system.	21:48
kegaro	"Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist"	21:49
+perlDreamer	hm	21:50
kegaro	the only post I could find that relates on plainblack is http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/wre-install-trouble	21:50
kegaro	but it's not quite the same.	21:50
kegaro	and removing my my.cnf file didn't help the problem.	21:50
kegaro	I've tried starting mysql manually: computer:/data/wre/prereqs/bin# ./mysqld_safe --log-error=mysql.err	21:51
kegaro	to no avail.	21:53
kegaro	:-(	21:53
+perlDreamer	Google has several options for trying to address that error	21:54
@preaction	kegaro: did you run the wreconsole's setup yet?	21:54
kegaro	yes.	21:55
kegaro	I did.	21:55
+BartJol	yeah, I had the same error and running the setup helped	21:56
+BartJol	oh	21:56
+BartJol	mmm	21:56
@preaction	and what errors occurred when you did it?	21:56
@preaction	if the mysql.host table wasn't installed, the setup failed	21:56
@preaction	the errors should have shown up in the console that was running the wreconsole.pl process	21:56
+perlDreamer	according to Google, it can also be due to directory permissions, file system corruption, or not having the table in the first place.	21:56
+BartJol	I do have a package wre 0.9.2 with a resolved bug	21:56
+perlDreamer	or running Windows	21:57
kegaro	at first it said that it couldn't start mysql because the user didn't have the rights to open the appropriate ports. (I was using the webgui user I created and did all the compiling as)	21:57
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kegaro	oops...router reset...sorry.	21:57
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kegaro	I lost my train of thought now....	21:58
+BartJol	kegaro: you wanna have that package, I don't think it	21:58
+BartJol	is available	21:58
+BartJol	?	21:58
kegaro	I would LOVE to have that package!	21:58
+BartJol	I have to open my firewall for that I believe	21:59
+BartJol	what is your IP?	22:00
kegaro	okay..sorry...train of thought....I created a user "webgui", created the /data directory, did chown webgui.webgui /data, tar zxvf wre-source /tmp, and did all my compiling from /tmp as the user webgui.	22:00
+BartJol	67-213-105-173?	22:00
kegaro	that's me.	22:00
+BartJol	ok	22:00
kegaro	but with dots instead of dashes. :-)	22:01
+BartJol	ah, I thougt it was IP 4.x-beta	22:01
kegaro	when mysql didn't start when I ran the ./wreconsole, I stopped it and ran it as root.	22:01
kegaro	at this point, I don't think it's directory permissions.	22:02
kegaro	and I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this problem beyond this point.	22:02
kegaro	BartJol: hehe (I once stupidly copied and pasted and when it didn't work I /facepalmed)	22:03
+BartJol	:)	22:04
kegaro	is the database created during the wre setup? Perhaps I could reset (although I don't know exactly how) and run the setup as root.	22:04
kegaro	?	22:04
+BartJol	yes	22:04
@preaction	kegaro: so you ran ./wreconsole.pl, then you went to http://<someaddress>/setup, and it asked you a bunch of questions, right?	22:04
kegaro	yes.	22:05
kegaro	...I can do that again, can't I.	22:05
@preaction	you can run setup again by going to that address yes	22:05
@preaction	but it may not work	22:05
@preaction	you might just want to get rid of /data/wre, and then do a make install from the /tmp/wrebuild directory	22:06
+BartJol	kegaro: I have my firewall opened	22:06
kegaro	ugh? recompile the whole thing?	22:06
@preaction	no, just "make install"	22:06
@preaction	unless for some reason you did "make clean"	22:06
* perlDreamer goes for a run		22:07
+BartJol	no it is a debian package	22:07
+perlDreamer	be back in an hour or so	22:07
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kegaro	I did the ./build.sh --<name> individually.	22:07
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kegaro	like ./build.sh --mysql	22:10
kegaro	because one of them was blowing up regularly.	22:11
kegaro	and I didn't want to have to wait over an hour to see if any of my 'fixes' worked.	22:11
kegaro	I figured that once one of them was done, than I wouldn't have to repeat it.	22:11
kegaro	my kids just had their fort fall down on them....I'll be right back	22:12
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10311 /wrebuild/wre/ (3 files in 2 dirs): - Fixed a bug with web stats showing permission denied.	22:14
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10312 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: - Fixed a bug with web stats showing permission denied.	22:14
kegaro	I'm back	22:15
kegaro	it's all good...a failure in the 400 year old rope they used to tye it all together. hehe	22:15
@preaction	you could either re-compile, and create a pristine copy so that you can go back later, or you can find the appropriate directories and just do "make install" in them. the build.sh script isn't too complicated	22:17
@preaction	though perhaps there is a way to do a simple "make install" from the build.sh	22:17
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@preaction	kegaro: please turn that off	22:41
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perlmonkey21	Does WebGUI have any policy on floating divs that maintain their position upon screen scrolls?	22:47
@Haarg	a policy in terms of what?	22:47
@preaction	perlmonkey21: not that i know of. go ahead	22:47
perlmonkey21	Haarg: I don't know, like "They're annoying, don't use them." or "This is how we prefer them done."	22:48
perlmonkey21	preaction: cool, tahnks	22:48
@Haarg	nothing like that, no	22:48
@Haarg	as long as they work properly	22:48
perlmonkey21	Haarg: work properly? well crap, that rules out everything I do.	22:49
+BartJol	perlmonkey21 it can't be that bad	22:51
perlmonkey21	BartJol: I once wrote "Hello World" and now they call it "Conficker".	22:52
+BartJol	:)	22:53
perlmonkey21	That's how buggy my code is :P	22:53
+BartJol	he, a good virus demands good programming skills	22:53
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perlmonkey21	BartJol: hard to believe there are so many malevolent people capable of making these viruses. I'm neither that talented or evil :P	23:40
+BartJol	well, maybe it is the other way around, when you're a genius, you might get bored and a bit over your head by developing evil master plans	23:43
SDuensin	BartJol, that sums me up to a "T".	23:46
SDuensin	:-P	23:46
+BartJol	a T?	23:47
SDuensin	It's just some saying. No idea what it actually means.	23:48
+BartJol	ah	23:48
+BartJol	so, what's your evil master plan?	23:49
+BartJol	I hope your evil laugh is adequate for the plan	23:49
SDuensin	I'm doing my damnedest to install WebGUI and Linux everywhere.	23:49
SDuensin	I have a good evil laugh.	23:49
+BartJol	ah, but what is the best linux	23:50
+BartJol	http://www.thebestlinux.org/ doesn't exist, strange	23:51
SDuensin	Why, CloudCircle of course! It's my highly-modified server edition of Ubuntu.	23:51
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+BartJol	cloudcircle.com is yours then?	00:01
SDuensin	yea - it's a mess	00:02
+BartJol	I noticed that :p	00:02
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kegaro	okay...very very very embarrassing question....I just created my site, and did the site creation wizard, site created fine and works wonders...but I think I typed in the password wrong!!!	00:16
kegaro	cause my password won't let me in.	00:17
kegaro	is there somewhere where I can look it up in the db?	00:17
kegaro	or a config file?	00:17
kegaro	or reset it...	00:17
+BartJol	you can reset it to the default password	00:18
+BartJol	therefor you have to change it in Mysql	00:19
+BartJol	the encoded version should be somewhere on the site	00:19
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+BartJol	RvlMjeFPs2aAhQdo/xt/Kg maybe	00:26
+BartJol	with 123qwe	00:26
+BartJol	in the authentication table	00:26
+perlDreamer	BartJol, I've told you NEVER to use that kind of language in channel	00:27
+perlDreamer	it's rude	00:27
+BartJol	sorry perlDreamer	00:27
+perlDreamer	:)	00:27
kegaro	haha	00:28
+BartJol	user 3 kegaro	00:28
kegaro	I've done something horrible.	00:28
+BartJol	which is?	00:28
kegaro	my IT husband will -never- let me live it down.	00:28
kegaro	forgot a password.	00:28
kegaro	his passwords are something like 32 characters long.	00:28
kegaro	he has no sympathy for me.	00:28
+BartJol	ah	00:28
+BartJol	:)	00:29
+BartJol	you didn't forget your sql passwd did you?	00:30
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kegaro	at this point...I really wish the wreconsole had options for resetting an admin password for a site. :-)	00:30
kegaro	no...I have the mysql password...I'm working through the tables now to figure out where to change it.	00:30
+BartJol	authetication table	00:31
+perlDreamer	kegaro, if you really want that, then file it as an RFE	00:31
kegaro	I can do that. :-)	00:31
+BartJol	select * from authentication where userId="3";	00:31
+BartJol	the identifier thingy is the encoded passwd kegaro	00:31
+BartJol	(noooo, this neeeever happened before) ;)	00:32
+perlDreamer	of course not	00:32
+perlDreamer	if that happened, you'd have to turn in your Gooey decoder ring	00:32
+BartJol	never got that :(	00:33
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kegaro	guys -- BartJol -- once again -- you are amazing.	00:36
kegaro	Thank You!!!	00:36
+perlDreamer	kegaro, did you ever get mysql up and working?	00:37
kegaro	I did.	00:37
+BartJol	mostly I just bother people, but sometimes I do something usefull	00:37
kegaro	Bart provided with a debian wre.	00:37
kegaro	and that solved everything.	00:37
kegaro	hehe I know that feeling.	00:38
+BartJol	oh while we're at it	00:38
+BartJol	the install instructions for debian misses a module	00:38
kegaro	oh yes	00:38
kegaro	libncurses5-dev	00:39
+BartJol	libncurses5-dev	00:39
kegaro	I had trouble compiling, and found that one in a forum.	00:39
kegaro	solved my problem.	00:39
+BartJol	perlDreamer: would you be so kind to put that in the instructions in svn?	00:40
+perlDreamer	I can do that	00:41
+perlDreamer	funny that SynQ1 didn't find that	00:41
kegaro	there was another one too...for imageMagick...zlib or something of that nature...but I don't remember for certain...	00:41
@preaction	we really ought to get all these caveats and addendums and put them in one place: The DOWNLOAD page...	00:42
+BartJol	well, he did, why he didn't change the docs I don't know	00:42
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10313 /translations/German/German/ (3 files): Update from translation server	00:42
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10314 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server	00:42
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10315 /wrebuild/readme.txt: Add missing package required for debian	00:42
@preaction	nobody reads the readme.txt, but people do read the download page if you make them	00:43
@preaction	okay, fine, nobody reads anything ever	00:43
kegaro	hehe not zlib -- libperl-dev	00:44
@preaction	you needed libperl-dev?	00:44
@preaction	that should be in the WRE	00:44
kegaro	otherwise you get "/usr/lib/ld: cannet find -lperl" errors	00:44
+BartJol	I changed the wiki	00:44
kegaro	I had to install it manually.	00:45
@preaction	the Perl headers should be made when you build Perl	00:45
+BartJol	http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation	00:45
@preaction	that's weird. i hope your system works okay. something may have been compiled against the wrong Perl	00:45
kegaro	that's what I thought too. I even did ./build.sh --perl and then imagemagick just to be sure...and it still errored.	00:45
@preaction	does build.sh do a make clean on everything before it builds the one thing you want?	00:46
kegaro	Oh...I'm not sure...I did a --clean before everything anyways.	00:46
kegaro	a throwback from when I used to compile my own kernels.	00:47
@preaction	that might've been the problem. it was assuming the Perl you built was still in the build directory to compile against	00:47
@preaction	but it should... work... though if you have any "symbol undefined" errors that might be the problem	00:47
kegaro	aaaAAAaaah okay.	00:47
kegaro	it failed when I tried to do it with --all too.	00:48
@preaction	hm... then i dunno	00:48
@preaction	i fall to bits with all things compiled	00:48
@preaction	that's why i write for an interpreted language	00:48
kegaro	haha I love perl.	00:50
kegaro	I'd only classify myself as a very beginner programmer though.	00:50
kegaro	although, and I do feel like bragging a bit here, I wrote the initial LDAP/SSL authentication modules for WebGui almost 8 or 9 years ago now.	00:51
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kegaro	It's likely not in use anymore, webgui has been built from the ground up a couple of times since then.	00:52
+BartJol	well, you have the code...	00:52
kegaro	hehe nope...it's changed.	00:54
kegaro	MUCH more complex now.	00:55
+BartJol	I thought simple was good	00:55
@preaction	yeah, i keep hearing things about simplifying that code again	00:55
kegaro	why? is it broken?	00:55
@preaction	but it's good that you're interested in WebGUI again! (or did you ever stop?)	00:55
@preaction	no, it's just confusing	00:56
@preaction	the configuration is confusing, especially if you're used to LDAP	00:56
kegaro	I had a family, and moved into monitoring rather than administration.	00:56
kegaro	so I was never giving the opportunity to use it again.	00:56
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@preaction	ahh, monitoring is the worst part of administration	00:57
kegaro	I'm moving back into administration again, and I decided to get myself a blog.	00:57
kegaro	so I could document what I do.	00:57
kegaro	:-)	00:57
@preaction	very nice. take advantage of the design packages in the bazaar?	00:57
kegaro	I never really stopped liking webgui, but the last time I used it was pre-wre	00:57
+BartJol	and remember passwords ;)	00:57
@preaction	http://webgui.org/bazaar	00:57
kegaro	HAHA	00:57
kegaro	I was looking through those! I'm definiatly gonna use the IM plugin.	00:58
@preaction	IM plugin?	00:58
@preaction	oh, chatbox	00:58
kegaro	I was looking for something - anything - that would allow me to connect to IRC from work through a webclient cause my work blocks 6667	00:58
kegaro	yah.	00:58
@preaction	let me know what you think there, it's so basic as to be barely useful, and i'm looking for feature requests	00:59
@preaction	it's not so much an IRC client though	00:59
kegaro	it's harder than you might expect to find.	00:59
kegaro	yah, I understand.	00:59
kegaro	but I can get my friends to go there.	00:59
+perlDreamer	there are alternate ports for IRC	00:59
+perlDreamer	we have to use them at the WUC	00:59
@preaction	yeah, or there is mibbit	00:59
kegaro	mibbit?	01:00
@preaction	mibbit is a web-based IRC client	01:00
kegaro	ohhhh I will have a look into that, too.	01:00
kegaro	I will definately let you know about the chatbox.	01:01
+BartJol	well 6667 must be an evil port	01:01
@preaction	sounds good. i'm hoping to make it more awesome so we can fill the chat needs of users and put it into WebGUI core	01:01
kegaro	ohhh that would be cool!	01:02
@preaction	but before that it needs a lot more functionality i suspect	01:02
@preaction	though JT has been on a "release early release often" kick. maybe more RFEs will come if it's just put in there	01:02
@preaction	eh, anyway	01:02
kegaro	hehe I REALLY like the idea of being able to change the Admin password of a site from the wreconsole.	01:03
kegaro	I think that would be much more user friendly than hacking the database directly. :-)	01:03
kegaro	I will put that in the RFE.	01:04
+perlDreamer	kegaro, RFEs with patches often get accepted more quickly	01:04
+BartJol	yeah, bedtime	01:04
kegaro	so...create the code myself and send up the RFE with the code?	01:04
kegaro	that's a GREAT idea!!!	01:04
+perlDreamer	yeah!	01:04
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kegaro	I have to re-learn the webgui code....hehehe	01:04
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+perlDreamer	well, this would be WRE code, for wreconsole	01:05
+perlDreamer	but it should be easy to do	01:05
kegaro	last time I coded for this...wow...a long time ago. it would be worth it.	01:05
* preaction goes for a bike ride		01:06
@preaction	(heh, now deafferret has to eat for two!)	01:06
+perlDreamer	go preaction go!	01:07
kegaro	I must create food and bath kids for school. I'm not looking forward to either.	01:07
kegaro	I'll be back in a while -- hope you guys don't mind if I hang out here...you all are cool.	01:07
@preaction	of course not, that's what this place is here for	01:07
* kegaro is gone, making food, bathing kids (l!on)		01:07
@preaction	except for that	01:07
kegaro	/away not cool?	01:08
@preaction	away is fine, but the /me message your away script creates is not	01:08
@preaction	there must be a way to turn it off	01:08
kegaro	ahhh...I don't know... let me look...	01:08
@preaction	no rush	01:09
* kegaro has returned, (gone/1m 33s)		01:09
kegaro	I turned of my autoaway...	01:09
kegaro	that should fix it for good.	01:09
@preaction	that'll work, thanks	01:09
kegaro	I hate autoaway anyways.	01:09
kegaro	:-)	01:09
kegaro	bbiaw	01:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10316 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server	01:16
+perlDreamer	Go German Translators!	01:16
+perlDreamer	They just broke 75% complete	01:16
kegaro	WOW!! Grats to them!	01:33
kegaro	shoot...have to log off for a while....	01:34
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10317 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: fixed a permissions problem with awstats.pl	02:11
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wgGuest61	Hello, I'm haveing troubles with wiki search. It will only provide results with pages that have been recentlty changed. How can I fix this?	02:15
+perlDreamer	by recently changed, do you mean those in the recently changed list, or within a certain time?	02:16
@preaction	wgGuest61: sounds like your index is bad, you can re-run the indexer using the sbin/search.pl script	02:16
wgGuest61	that is something I have to do on the server?	02:17
@preaction	yes	02:17
@rizen	if you host with plainblack.com you can put in a support request to have them do it for you	02:18
wgGuest61	I don't have access to the server, so I need to talk to that guy who does?	02:18
wgGuest61	its a server on my university campus run by my department	02:18
+perlDreamer	yes	02:18
+perlDreamer	get a hold a sys-admin, and have them run the search.pl script	02:18
wgGuest61	thanks...	02:18
wgGuest61	it seems that the indexer resets itself everyday	02:19
wgGuest61	wiki pages posted yesterday no longer search, but if i make one right now it will search	02:19
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+perlDreamer	exportAssetData is poorly named...	02:29
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10318 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Top story photo template variables, with i18n, help and tests.	02:42
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jdanpl	Hi. How can I find out when each activity is executed in Spectre? I have a lot of messages in mailQueue table. I added trap to SendQueuedMailMessages.pm. But nothing happend.	15:31
jdanpl	My question is out of date. Problem was in config files. When I added non local IP to spectreSubnets sheduller started working	16:23
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ckotil	i dont see a link to download the source here	16:54
ckotil	http://www.webgui.org/download	16:54
LTR_bob	"Click here to learn more"	16:54
ckotil	nice	16:54
LTR_bob	(at the bottom of the content)	16:55
ckotil	thanks	16:55
LTR_bob	I was just looking at that page :P	16:55
ckotil	the wre is too confusing for me to switch to from my source install	16:55
ckotil	my source install is pretty confusing too , ive got about 15 webgui sites.	16:56
LTR_bob	We have a couple of webgui servers too, source works for us	16:57
ckotil	mine are all on a single isntance. tons of mod_rewriting going on	16:58
ckotil	its manageable, just does'nt scale well	16:58
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+danny_mk	hello everyone	17:11
* deafferret waves		17:11
+danny_mk	quick question, kind of off topic, ignore the question if you don't feel a need to answer it. I have some special characters in a sql import script that are preventing me from importing data into a table.	17:12
+danny_mk	I found a utility that stripped those special characters but I did not write it down and now I need it bad.	17:12
+danny_mk	this is a UTF8 vs ASCII issue, does anyone have an idea of the utility?	17:14
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deafferret	danny_mk: If you want basic ASCII only, you could run s/[^ -~]//g	17:24
+danny_mk	yup, I know, perl will do it in a second.	17:24
+danny_mk	I found this utility that just stripped a few special characters from this file and I got it to work right away,	17:25
+danny_mk	darn, I wish I documented this stuff sometimes :-(	17:25
+danny_mk	found it! iconv	17:27
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@BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	17:30
deafferret	win 10	17:32
deafferret	opps	17:32
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10320 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: adding missing pod documentation	18:06
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* SynQ wonders would the WRE be ready yet ;)		18:07
* BugSlasherMcGurk sticks boot in SynQ's mouth		18:09
+SynQ	nice flavour	18:09
+SynQ	have you been in the land of sugar lately?	18:10
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+SynQ	which reminds me I need to send you some pictures of Emma and 100 gooey dolls	18:11
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@BugSlasherMcGurk	bug---	18:34
@BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	18:34
@BugSlasherMcGurk	SynQ: i'm waiting to compile WRE 0.9.2 because i'm working with patspam on a bug he needs fixed	18:35
@BugSlasherMcGurk	figured better to kill 2 with one stone	18:35
@BugSlasherMcGurk	however, it is ready to compile right now (minus his bug fix) if you absolutely need it right now	18:35
@BugSlasherMcGurk	that's 3 so far for me today khenn...can you beat that?	18:37
@khenn	I will beat you!	18:38
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+perlDreamer	BugSlasherMcGurk: welcome back	18:39
+perlDreamer	what's the plan, man?	18:39
@BugSlasherMcGurk	the plan is for me to fix more bugs than khenn	18:39
@BugSlasherMcGurk	the secondary objective is to close half of the bug list today	18:39
@BugSlasherMcGurk	the bad news is that half of the PB staff is out for one reason or another	18:40
@preaction	we're having one next month that i can participate in, right? perhaps also on madmongers's day?	18:41
@BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	18:43
@BugSlasherMcGurk	preaction: we'll have an rfe day yet this month, and then another bug fix and rfe day next month	18:43
@preaction	sweet	18:43
+perlDreamer	BusSlasherMcGurk: Please assign me to the UserList bugs	18:44
@BugSlasherMcGurk	perlDreamer: can't you assign yourself?	18:44
+perlDreamer	nope	18:44
+perlDreamer	I can close bugs, but no assignment	18:44
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@BugSlasherMcGurk	well that's pretty lame	18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurk	please file an rfe for that if you haven't already	18:45
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+perlDreamer	I'm just not in the right group, BSMG	18:49
@tavisto	perlDreamer, be sure to follow JT's bug fixing progress thru his twitter: "JT-loves-twitter"	18:50
+perlDreamer	as your future employer tavisto, I'd suggest you show some more respect to your previous employer ;)	18:51
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Account.pm Account/Friends.pm): fixed: Can't invite friends (#10112)	18:53
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10322 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	18:53
CIA-38	WebGUI: - fixed: Can't invite friends (#10112)	18:53
CIA-38	WebGUI: - Added missing POD docs for WebGUI::Account	18:53
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10323 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl: Made sure Survey default question types upgrades with "Yes" being 1 and "No" being 0.	18:53
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+perlDreamer	hey, somebody needs to op Vrby	19:02
Vrby	Nah... I don't deserve it	19:03
+perlDreamer	sure you do. People who are op'ed get pestered more.	19:04
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+perlDreamer	--bug	19:24
+perlDreamer	--bug	19:24
+perlDreamer	I'm going to look at the Inbox bug next	19:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10324 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the alphabetFieldSearch in the UserList, #10163	19:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10325 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting UserList alphabet profile field fix.	19:31
+perlDreamer	asked for feedback about the inbox, because it's working fine for me	19:44
+perlDreamer	moving on to bopbop's file title bug	19:44
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@frodwith	Bug @ http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9991: Is this an actual bug, or intended behavior?	19:59
+perlDreamer	frodwith, is that an article, or two file assets?	20:01
+perlDreamer	from the HTML, they look like Article attachments to me	20:01
+perlDreamer	which means they're working fine	20:01
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	20:01
+perlDreamer	this one needs to be moved to RFEland: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9682	20:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10326 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (WikiPage.pm Post.pm):	20:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: fixed a problem in the spam system for Post	20:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: and added spam prevention in Wiki	20:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10327 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Spam in the wiki (#10050)	20:03
@frodwith	perldreamer: Those are file assets.	20:03
+perlDreamer	then it's most likely a bug	20:04
@frodwith	perlDreamer: looking at the template, the linked text will indeed be the filename. Is that intended, or -should- it be the title?	20:04
+perlDreamer	I'm not sure. I'd track down the filepile bug she mentioned, then check it out in comparison.	20:04
@frodwith	roger.	20:04
+perlDreamer	working with dhelsten on the UserList bug, and looking at the reopened synopsis as meta bug, http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9039	20:08
+perlDreamer	Vrby, I could use a 2nd opinion on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9039	20:10
+perlDreamer	It's working for me	20:10
+perlDreamer	Could you please try to duplicate it?	20:10
@Vrby	Ok, I'll take a look	20:11
+perlDreamer	I see what I was doing wrong.	20:11
+perlDreamer	I logged out as Admin, which kept the logout params in the URL	20:11
@Vrby	so you don't need me to check this one then?	20:12
@frodwith	Can't find the ticket Kristi was referring to, but it looks like someone else at least thinks the link text should be the asset title: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9083	20:13
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+perlDreamer	no, I can track it from here, Vrby. Sorry for the false alarm.	20:19
@Vrby	ok	20:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10328 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm: POD fix	20:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: frank * r10329 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm: Removed extra code which reset the uri to what was stored int he LDAP Link.	20:37
@khenn	bug --	20:47
@khenn	I'm on the board!	20:47
@khenn	woowoo here I come rizen	20:47
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	20:47
BugSlasherMcGurk	that's 5 for me	20:48
BugSlasherMcGurk	perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9039	20:48
BugSlasherMcGurk	did you ever commit as planned?	20:48
BugSlasherMcGurk	if so, could you close?	20:48
+perlDreamer	I'm on my way out the door. It's fixed, just need to commit, back port and then document so I can close	20:49
+perlDreamer	bbl	20:49
* perlDreamer goes to the gym		20:49
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BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	20:51
CIA-38	WebGUI: frank * r10330 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm: Fixed issue where uri would be invalid in certain cases.	21:11
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	21:14
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	21:16
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	21:20
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	21:21
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	21:30
BugSlasherMcGurk	down to 4 pages!!!	21:30
BugSlasherMcGurk	khenn, the official count is you 1, me 11	21:36
BugSlasherMcGurk	you've got some catching up to do	21:36
BugSlasherMcGurk	even vrby has closed 6	21:36
BugSlasherMcGurk	he's whooping you	21:36
BugSlasherMcGurk	shit, we're back up to 5 pages cuz someone submitted one	21:37
BugSlasherMcGurk	oh, and khenn...i'm not including the 4 or 5 tickets that i think can be closed, but i've asked for more feedback on	21:37
@khenn	yeah yeah	21:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10331 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.19-7.6.20.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: Schedular Fields Too Short (#9889)	21:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10332 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl: Schedular Fields Too Short (#9889)	21:46
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	21:54
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	21:56
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10333 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl: maintenance tasks in parallel (#9921)	22:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10334 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.19-7.6.20.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): - fixed: maintenance tasks in parallel (#9921)	22:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10335 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt:	22:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: updated the change log with:	22:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: - fixed: Spam in the wiki (#10050)	22:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: - fixed: maintenance tasks in parallel (#9921)	22:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: - fixed: Schedular Fields Too Short (#9889)	22:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: - fixed: Can't invite friends (#10112)	22:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: - Added missing POD docs for WebGUI::Account	22:16
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@khenn	bug--	22:38
@khenn	2-11	22:38
@khenn	=)	22:38
+perlDreamer	bug--	22:41
+perlDreamer	khenn, as the Account guru, can you take on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9851	22:47
@khenn	I would if it were a bug	22:47
@khenn	it's an RFE	22:47
+perlDreamer	why is it an RFE? When you look at a person's profile, the pulldowns all say "Public".	22:49
+perlDreamer	it's really confusing to users	22:49
@preaction	no, it is most definately a bug. it causes improper display and is not what users expect	22:49
@khenn	I see	22:50
BugSlasherMcGurk	actually it's 2-13	22:50
@preaction	it's not how it used to work	22:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10336 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Refix synopsis output as metadata.	22:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10337 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting synopsis as metadata fix.	22:50
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@khenn	I'll look at it next	22:50
@khenn	almost finished with my 3rd bug	22:51
+perlDreamer	bug --	22:57
+perlDreamer	bug --	22:57
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	23:00
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug --	23:00
+perlDreamer	bug--	23:07
+perlDreamer	tavisto!	23:09
@tavisto	yes...	23:09
+perlDreamer	what's the URL of the demo site that you created for the CS Q & A issue?	23:09
@tavisto	http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1239729518_572/home	23:10
@tavisto	default credentials	23:10
+perlDreamer	bug--	23:13
+perlDreamer	that's a duplicate bug	23:13
BugSlasherMcGurk	bug--	23:14
@tavisto	well sorry guys, I got more bugs to add. son of ah	23:14
@tavisto	everyone is allowed to hate on me for the next 2 mins	23:15
* perlDreamer searches the bible for good curses to levy at tavisto		23:15
+perlDreamer	hm	23:15
@tavisto	except rizen, b/c he gets to for 2 lifetimes apparently	23:15
+perlDreamer	hailstones	23:15
+perlDreamer	hit with own shoe	23:15
+perlDreamer	no	23:15
+perlDreamer	how about boils?	23:15
BugSlasherMcGurk	tavisto, i wish boils on the feet of your family for 12 generations	23:19
@tavisto	sorry bugSlackerMcGurk, 2 minutes are up	23:19
BugSlasherMcGurk	again, i get 2 lifetimes to do it	23:20
BugSlasherMcGurk	so you're wrong	23:20
@tavisto	nope, only Rizen	23:20
@tavisto	you are BugSlackerMcGurk	23:20
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rizen	tavisto, i wish boils on the feet of your family for 12 generations	23:20
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@tavisto	sorry, only "Rizen"	23:21
@tavisto	tavisto gives evil smirk	23:21
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@tavisto	muwhahaha!	23:21
@tavisto	doh	23:21
@Rizen	muahahahaha	23:21
@Rizen	wait, i'm different from rizen?	23:21
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@tavisto	yeah	23:21
@rizen	oh, nm	23:21
@tavisto	you aren't the same...	23:21
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@preaction	i think i actually felt weird wearing someone else's internet nickname	23:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10338 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm):	23:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: Make processTransaction _really_ handle not getting a transaction or address	23:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: as an argument.	23:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10339 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm):	23:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: Make processTransaction really handle not getting an object, by checking	23:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: to see if it's an object before calling methods on it.	23:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10340 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Apply button applies but reloads old content in editor (#9827)	23:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10341 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Apply button applies but reloads old content in editor (#9827)	23:23
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knowmad	perlDreamer: yt?	23:27
+perlDreamer	I'm here	23:27
knowmad	i'm looking at http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9961	23:27
knowmad	that's a protected url	23:27
knowmad	i can give you a pw for testing but am not sure if it would help	23:28
knowmad	ohh! that's the reason for the error!!	23:28
+perlDreamer	:)	23:28
knowmad	so how can i grant the synd content object access to that page?	23:28
+perlDreamer	I don't know	23:29
knowmad	lol ;)	23:29
knowmad	i appreciate an honest answer!	23:29
knowmad	i'll post back to the bu	23:29
knowmad	g	23:29
+perlDreamer	once an asset is WebGUI auth protected, whatever tries to connect has to authenticate	23:29
@preaction	knowmad: if you have 7.6.x you can use http basic auth for RSS feeds by putting the username/password in the URL	23:30
knowmad	ahh, good to know; won't help me until i upgrade though	23:30
knowmad	which we'll be doing RSN!	23:30
knowmad	i'll close my report	23:31
knowmad	thanks preaction	23:31
+perlDreamer	preaction, but that breaks in 7.7 when RSS feeds lose their custom URLs?	23:31
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@preaction	perlDreamer: nope	23:31
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+perlDreamer	clue me in there, preaction	23:32
knowmad	well, i've added that note but can't close my own ticket	23:32
@preaction	in fact, we can even make it pop up an HTTP basic auth dialog box so that RSS readers can log in to private feeds	23:32
@preaction	perlDreamer: check WebGUI.pm and look for "authBasic" i think. we do the http basic auth handling ourselves now	23:33
+perlDreamer	so basic auth will supersede WebGUI user and group permissions?	23:33
@preaction	no, it's part of it	23:33
@preaction	you can log in to WebGUI using the http basic auth method	23:33
@preaction	(so not a web form, but user:pass on the URL or the dialog box that pops up)	23:34
+perlDreamer	ah, I see	23:34
@preaction	and we can make that dialog box pop up if we want using the "www-authenticate: basic realm='sometext'" http header	23:34
@preaction	(just for your future knowledge should you come across a bug)	23:34
@preaction	we'll only use it for non-web browser purposes of course	23:35
@preaction	like RSS feeds	23:35
+perlDreamer	cool!	23:35
* perlDreamer was wondering how to do stuff like that		23:35
@preaction	i'm hoping we can do digest auth instead, makes it a little more secure	23:37
@preaction	but that's in the future	23:37
@preaction	it's not magic, after all. it's just http	23:37
+perlDreamer	what in the world is this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10180 ?	23:40
@preaction	perlDreamer: that's vcb's auto-response...	23:42
+perlDreamer	yeah	23:42
+perlDreamer	grrrr	23:42
+perlDreamer	so, if I close that one, we get another one, yes?	23:42
@preaction	isn't there some header that gets set on an auto-response that we can use to ignore them?	23:42
@preaction	heh, i dunno. find out?	23:42
@preaction	but then, there is a header that gets sent for a list mail that should make their software ignore the mail	23:43
@Haarg	we do try to detect auto responses iirc	23:45
+perlDreamer	this one must have slipped through	23:46
+perlDreamer	great, 'nother bug	23:46
@khenn	bug--	23:51
@khenn	3-100000	23:51
@khenn	I'm gonna lose =(	23:51
+perlDreamer	spin it again, khenn	23:52
+perlDreamer	Vanna is smiling at you, you can't lose!	23:52
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10342 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm: Latest revision of Ticket.pm	23:52
CIA-38	WebGUI: frank * r10343 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm: fixed HTML issue in solution summary	23:52
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knowmad	can an AssetProxy not include keyparams? e.g., ^AssetProxy(/detail?recordid=jf6z5BfotLKx2Da_70KeXA);	00:04
@preaction	correct, that won't work	00:04
knowmad	:(	00:04
@preaction	http proxy would though	00:04
knowmad	httpproxy?	00:04
knowmad	thanks	00:04
@preaction	though really that would make an awesomely powerful assetproxy macro (but you'd have to do some weird stuff to get that to work, including opening a new session and setting the form data)	00:05
@preaction	you'd be able to show other pages of various assets, instead of just the view()	00:05
@preaction	ooh, style template throws a wrench in the works	00:06
knowmad	you've jumped off past my understanding but hey, i like the way you're thinking :)	00:06
@preaction	it wouldn't work unfortunately, not without some major changing :(	00:07
knowmad	Dream Big	00:07
@preaction	amen, but i've alreaady got away too many big dreams as it is ;)	00:08
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knowmad	i know what you mean	00:09
@khenn	perlDreamer	00:09
@khenn	I know how to fix that bug	00:10
+perlDreamer	killing me won't make it go away, khenn	00:10
@khenn	do you think that by default the user's profile should inherit the profile settings set by the admin?	00:10
@khenn	or should I just leave it and make "Private" selected by default	00:11
@khenn	doesn't matter to me	00:11
@khenn	first way will take longer but might be better in the long run	00:11
+perlDreamer	thinking...	00:12
+perlDreamer	seems like the admin should be able to set defaults for the site	00:12
+perlDreamer	visitor would be perfect, but can we get to it?	00:13
+perlDreamer	can we get to Visitor's privacy settings, khenn?	00:14
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10344 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #9816: Syndicated content asset fails on feeds including a UTF8 BOM	00:21
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10345 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl): fixed: 7.6 upgrade left some default content marked as packages	00:21
@khenn	it doesn't matter what the visitors settings are	00:23
@khenn	the profile settings are default	00:23
@khenn	so I'd just read those	00:23
@khenn	wait let me think	00:24
@khenn	yeah that won't work	00:24
@khenn	not unless I added a privacy setting	00:24
@khenn	hmm	00:24
@khenn	well i suppose visible = public maybe?	00:25
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+perlDreamer	no, visible means it can be seen. Privacy is something different	00:49
@khenn	yeah	00:50
@khenn	I'm setting them to have private selected	00:50
@khenn	if there is no setting	00:50
+perlDreamer	that'll fix the display problem and the bug.	01:07
+perlDreamer	okay, I need some help from the wiser people in the room	01:09
+perlDreamer	this is about Widgets	01:09
+perlDreamer	they are mostly broken	01:09
+perlDreamer	there's a JSON bug which causes the widget to work as long as you don't specify an override template	01:10
+perlDreamer	if you fix the JSON bug, then it breaks the widgets completely	01:10
+perlDreamer	in that the templating solution will not handle variables with dashes, like assetIds	01:10
+perlDreamer	which is what the widget set it up to do	01:10
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+perlDreamer	preaction, can you specify a clause in an ORDER BY statement in MySQL?	02:23
+perlDreamer	like ORDER BY column=value?	02:23
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+perlDreamer	bug--	02:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10346 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm): Remove a strange clause from Inbox ORDER BY.	02:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10347 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Bug attribution.	02:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10348 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm): Backporting Inbox fix.	02:43
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+perlDreamer	patspam, you missed all the fun	02:43
+patspam	i did?	02:43
+perlDreamer	yup, bug-fix-orama	02:44
+patspam	ah damn	02:44
+patspam	sucks being in a different tz	02:44
+perlDreamer	I'm sure no one would mind if you wanted to shoot a few, still	02:44
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, are you around?	02:45
+patspam	how many did you guys get through?	02:45
@rizen	killed about 30ish	02:46
+patspam	nice	02:46
@rizen	and we took a vote	02:46
+perlDreamer	down to 76 bugs	02:46
@rizen	and decided to hate you	02:46
+patspam	that's unconstitutional!	02:46
@rizen	no, we voted on it and everything	02:47
+patspam	dang. oh hey i know which bug i want to fix.. $rizen->approveRFE() is broken	02:48
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@rizen	it's not broken	02:49
@rizen	it's just running slowly	02:49
@rizen	rizen was core dumping last week	02:49
+patspam	ate some dodgey curry?	02:49
@rizen	married to a disease carrier	02:50
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SDuensin	perlDreamer - Sorry, was running all over town like a crazy person. Back now.	03:55
+perlDreamer	I'd like to close out some of your older bugs	04:19
+perlDreamer	like this one: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9861	04:20
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SDuensin	Yea, I was just looking at that one.	04:21
* SDuensin got the mail		04:22
+perlDreamer	is that code inside of a Snippet?	04:22
+perlDreamer	if so, I can help you fix that problem and we can close the bug report	04:22
SDuensin	I don't think so. I thought it was in the site template.	04:23
SDuensin	I'm trying to remember which of my sites I had it on.	04:23
SDuensin	Can't make any of them do it now. Close it. Chalk it up to the position of the moon.	04:24
+perlDreamer	well, if you remember, ping me in channel and we'll work it out	04:25
SDuensin	Sure thing.	04:25
SDuensin	Side note - ever play with GWT? I've been messing with it today. It's nice!	04:25
+perlDreamer	GWT, Google's version of YUI?	04:26
SDuensin	Someone came up with a way to do PHP on the server with it. I was going to poke around in it and see if we could make it call Perl on the server.	04:26
SDuensin	Yea, but it's more than that...	04:26
* perlDreamer doesn't do very much javascript yet		04:26
SDuensin	Eclipse + GWT Designer = Visual Frackin' Basic on the web.	04:26
SDuensin	(Well, except the Basic part.)	04:26
SDuensin	This thing is a hundred bucks, but so far, the trial is proving quite worth it: http://www.instantiations.com/gwtdesigner/index.html	04:27
SDuensin	Of course, I know I should be using Cappuccino. :-)	04:28
* SDuensin already speaks Java, not ObjC.		04:28
* perlDreamer has already heard of your unnatural fascination for the non-perl languages, SDuensin		04:57
SDuensin	I like Perl. I just (currently) suck at it.	04:57
+perlDreamer	I know, it's just hard to pass up an opportunity to expose by perl bigorty	05:02
+perlDreamer	s/by/my/	05:02
+perlDreamer	good night, all	05:13
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10349 /translations/ (170 files in 3 dirs): Update from translation server	14:24
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carogray	good morning - goodday!	16:26
carogray	does anyone know if I can create a package - "deploy" the package inside a page layout a few times - undo the package and then make a package of the page layout? would this work?	16:27
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10350 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/gotcha.txt: remove stop notice from gotchas	17:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10351 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.19-7.6.20.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: 7.6 upgrade left some default content marked as packages	17:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10352 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fix double my	17:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10353 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.20 release	17:24
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carogray	any reason for WebGUI not to be saving edits?	17:34
nuba	maybe its throwing a tantrum on you	17:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10354 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.20-stable: Release 7.6.20-stable	17:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10355 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): prepare for 7.6.21 dev	17:55
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@plainhao	anyone know how to tell the shop where to go after PayDriver www_getCredentials?	18:15
* plainhao is fuggling with www_pay with no luck.		18:15
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10356 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): getting graphviz to work	18:32
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10357 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): Added GraphViz-2.04 and IPC-Run-0.82.	19:14
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10358 /wrebuild/getperlmodules.sh: removed duplicate scalar list utils	19:14
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10359 /experimental/ChartMagick: moved to git @ http://github.com/plainblack/chartmagick	19:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10360 /modules: no modules left on svn	19:44
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+perlDreamer	preaction: re that mysql construct, I couldn't find any reference to it in MySQL's online docs	20:06
+perlDreamer	what does it do?	20:06
daviddelikat	what SQL are we talking about?	20:08
+perlDreamer	SORT BY messageStatus='pending' DESC, dateStamp DESC	20:08
+perlDreamer	it's in the Inbox	20:08
daviddelikat	shouldn't it be order by?	20:09
+perlDreamer	yeah, that, too	20:09
daviddelikat	so it orders by the two fiedls and if status is null it defaults to pending...	20:10
+perlDreamer	that's handy, since it allows you to stuff null fields into the order where you want them	20:11
+perlDreamer	someone posted a bug about it not working	20:11
+perlDreamer	but it worked in my version of MySQL, and seemingly all the WREs	20:12
+perlDreamer	for reference: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10162	20:12
+perlDreamer	brb	20:12
daviddelikat	perlDreamer: perhaps they have an old version of the DBD::MySQL?	20:15
* perlDreamer is thinking it's a bug in a particular version of MySQL		20:17
daviddelikat	I thin k both version and bug are possible issues. if it is not in the docs it is likely to be rather newish...	20:18
* perlDreamer is wondering if he should revert the patch and instruct the user to upgrade		20:19
daviddelikat	hmmm, database upgrades area rather serious thing, something some people find quite prohibitive...	20:20
daviddelikat	but the patch will likely cause problems for someone else as the pending thing will be missing...	20:20
+perlDreamer	right	20:20
daviddelikat	I'd say educate the customer and let them choose how to handle their own stuff, but take the patch out... least thats what i'd do...	20:22
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10361 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.pm: remove debugging code	20:59
+perlDreamer	you know, if we used base64 encoding for lineage, we could hold a lot more than 999,999 assets per branch	21:04
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10362 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Move packages, as well as code, again.	21:28
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@Haarg	there are a number of alternate encoding methods we could use for lineage	21:30
@Haarg	but increasing the max depth would probably be more worthwhile than the number at each level	21:31
@Haarg	or both could be done	21:31
+perlDreamer	yes, and if the encoding was denser, then we could use fewer digits per level, which would also add more depth	21:32
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@rizen	you guys are insane	21:43
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10363 /wrebuild/getperlmodules.sh: screwed up urls, now fixed	21:45
+perlDreamer	yes, rizen, but isn't that why you keep us around?	21:56
@rizen	indeed	21:56
@rizen	cuz your insane ideas often lead to something useful	21:57
@rizen	even if it's not the original idea	21:57
+perlDreamer	how's the score on this latest one?	21:57
@rizen	i thought of something that might be useful about it	21:57
@rizen	i dont' see any utility in extending the number of levels or the number of items per level	21:57
@rizen	but using base64 would allow us to cut the key size in half	21:58
@rizen	and doing that might be a performance gain	21:58
@rizen	i'm writing a test now to verify	21:58
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10364 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Survey editor now keeps survye objedts in a scrollable panel to keep buttons always in view.	22:26
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+perlDreamer	what a royal fiasco	01:10
+perlDreamer	that issue with packages not being to go deep into the import node is a pain	01:11
@Haarg	you mean where they don't get placed in their original parent?	01:12
+perlDreamer	yes	01:15
+perlDreamer	the fault it totally mine	01:15
+perlDreamer	I made the package where I wanted it	01:15
+perlDreamer	instead of reexporting the parent (which is also a package), I just exported the child	01:15
+perlDreamer	then, on the second go round, I modified some other templates	01:16
+perlDreamer	then reset the site, which put the child parallel to the parent	01:16
+perlDreamer	then only exported the parent	01:16
+perlDreamer	so it was bad procedure on my part	01:16
+perlDreamer	I didn't jump through all the right hoops	01:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10365 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.4/root_import_storymanager.wgpkg: Finally add StoryTopic template to the StoryManager package.	01:24
* perlDreamer goes running		01:41
+perlDreamer	catch y'all later	01:41
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CIA-38	WebGUI: tom * r10366 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm: Fix for bug # 10131 - WebGUI::Form::Integer returns 0 even if inbound value is empty, had to code a workaround (rather than change WebGUI::Form::Integer, which could have downstream effects)	06:59
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10367 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Fix spelling errors in changelog entry.	07:40
+perlDreamer	deafferret, sorry, I missed.	07:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10368 /WebGUI/t/Form/Integer.t: Add more tests to reveal Form/Integer behavior.	08:00
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10369 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 3 dirs):	08:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: Mirror fix for dragging to all other Page Layout templates. Add note to gotchas about	08:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: custom page layout templates, along with instructions for how to modify to make them	08:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: work.	08:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10370 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs):	08:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: Improved Edit Survey section list.	08:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: Removed unnecessary <br>'s from Section list	08:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: Made sections panel resizable	08:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: Made current selection highlighted via CSS	08:40
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LTR_bob	Is anybody here from the Dutch translation team?	11:21
LTR_bob	./Dutch/PayDriver.pm:6: 'message' => 'Ers is een aankoop gedaan. Bestelling #'	11:21
@preaction	LTR_bob: the one most often here is BartJol	11:22
LTR_bob	Yep, he usually is here....	11:24
LTR_bob	I might send him a mail	11:25
ryuu_ro	BartJol bought a house which needs some work done, so he's working half days at the moment	11:25
@preaction	nice	11:25
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+BartJol	LTR_bob: nu zit ik in een cursus	14:10
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@plainhao	oy, someone's wre.conf got emptied	17:01
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+MrHairgrease	howdy	17:10
+MrHairgrease	good timing	17:10
+MrHairgrease	i was just writing an email	17:10
+MrHairgrease	my question: what should be done with the tax override option in the sku's	17:10
+MrHairgrease	From what I remember, you do not want it to be part of the Generic tax plugin	17:11
+MrHairgrease	but it doesn't belong in the the EU plugin as well	17:11
@rizen	you can put it in the generic tax plugin	17:12
@rizen	that's fine	17:12
+MrHairgrease	If the Generic plugin should work just as the taxing system is working currently, though	17:12
+MrHairgrease	I think the override should be part of t	17:12
+MrHairgrease	ah	17:12
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:12
+MrHairgrease	good	17:12
+MrHairgrease	question to all perl guru's out here	17:20
+MrHairgrease	why should you use a className method if you could you could also use ref	17:21
+MrHairgrease	ie. sub className { return 'A::B::C' }	17:22
+MrHairgrease	$abcINstance->className vs. ref $abcInstance	17:22
daviddelikat	do you mean whats the diff btwn CLASS->f(arg) and $ref->f(arg)?	17:22
+MrHairgrease	nonono	17:22
+MrHairgrease	I know that difference	17:22
+MrHairgrease	hang on	17:23
+MrHairgrease	i'll pastbin something	17:23
daviddelikat	ref $object will give you what it actually is, while the other is detrmined by the developer	17:23
daviddelikat	you would use the first one if you had an interface class	17:24
daviddelikat	or a 'factory' cass	17:24
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daviddelikat	that is not just a perl thing, the scheme is used in every object system...	17:26
+MrHairgrease	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1871cc1f	17:26
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daviddelikat	the idea is that the application does not create objects directly, but uses one class to generate many different kinds of objects	17:26
+MrHairgrease	the idea of the className method is that it returns the class name of the class	17:27
+MrHairgrease	ref does the same thing	17:27
+MrHairgrease	daviddelikat: please explain, I'm not following you	17:28
daviddelikat	yeah, theres nothing special abouthis particular case. ref $obj may be faster... but that would be the only benefit	17:28
AMH_henry	hi rizen, i'm trying to understand some code in WebGUI::Search. What is the reason that whitespaces are replaced by '' in assetIndex.keywords?	17:28
+MrHairgrease	well the benefit I see is that it doesn't require plugin writers to add the className method	17:29
+MrHairgrease	and thus duplicate code ( it's already in the package declaration )	17:30
daviddelikat	there may be cases where it does return something different, so then each one has to have something	17:30
@rizen	AMH_henry: let me look at the code	17:30
+MrHairgrease	I'm talking WebGUI specific here	17:30
daviddelikat	personally I'd inherit a function that returns ref so that everyone doesn't have to write there own	17:30
daviddelikat	but I have nto wframeworks latelyritten any object	17:30
daviddelikat	ignore garbled mesage	17:31
daviddelikat	I have not written any object frameworks lately...	17:31
+MrHairgrease	and if you'd return something different from the className methods, you'll be in trouble	17:31
+MrHairgrease	that's why i asked	17:31
@rizen	AMH_henry: what line is that on?	17:31
daviddelikat	not if the class returned was a factory class or interface class	17:32
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AMH_henry	rizen: it's actually in WEbGUI::Search::Index::create	17:32
daviddelikat	with factories you will always get a different object than you call for.	17:32
+MrHairgrease	We use WG::PLuggable for that	17:33
daviddelikat	so: FACTORY->new($parm) will return oan object where ref $obj ne 'FACTORY'	17:33
@rizen	AMH_henry: i think you're looking at the patch added for chinese character support	17:33
@rizen	$keywords =~ s/\s/\'\'/g;	17:34
@rizen	that line, right?	17:34
AMH_henry	yes	17:34
AMH_henry	it causes all whitespaces to be replaced	17:34
@rizen	i have no idea what it's there for, i just know that the whole section it's in was submitted by zxp, who deals with chinese character set stuff	17:34
daviddelikat	MrHairgrease: I guess the real answer is I don't know why WG does it, but I know there are vlid reasons for doing it	17:35
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:35
daviddelikat	s/vlid/valid/	17:35
+MrHairgrease	fair enough	17:35
daviddelikat	heres an interesting one:	17:35
daviddelikat	$array->[1]{keyx}{key32}-className;	17:36
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daviddelikat	its more readablel than ref $array->blak blah	17:36
+MrHairgrease	true	17:36
+MrHairgrease	but then you could also change the className method in the baseclass to	17:37
+MrHairgrease	sub className { return ref $_[0] }	17:37
+MrHairgrease	and not require people to do that	17:37
+MrHairgrease	anyway	17:37
AMH_henry	rizen: k, ic. thx.	17:38
daviddelikat	yup	17:38
+MrHairgrease	I'm postponing this discussion for now	17:38
+MrHairgrease	and do some work =)	17:38
daviddelikat	what an idea!	17:38
AMH_henry	rizen: btw, the line utf8::decode($keywords); causes indexing to fail in some cases. I'll file a bug report later on	17:39
+perlDreamer	webgui.org is down?	17:46
daviddelikat	looks ok from here	17:47
+perlDreamer	must have been a transient problem, it's working from here now, too	17:49
+perlDreamer	although I've always suspected that you Wisconsinites get better treatment than the rest of us	17:49
daviddelikat	thats just a rumour started by those Chicago folks	17:50
daviddelikat	and they keep blocking our packets	17:51
daviddelikat	and cutting wires	17:51
daviddelikat	and stuff	17:51
daviddelikat	trying to get us to argue ....	17:51
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+perlDreamer	If you think those Chicago guys are bad, watch out for the ones in California	18:00
+MrHairgrease	not to mention the Eurotrash!	18:01
+perlDreamer	aw, we luv our Eurotrash	18:01
+MrHairgrease	so do we =)	18:03
daviddelikat	you should have heard the comments this morning	18:04
daviddelikat	somebody showed up with a cubs hat on..	18:05
* perlDreamer will read the logs		18:09
+perlDreamer	no cubs mentioned	18:12
daviddelikat	wrong meeting...	18:12
daviddelikat	I get to gether with a bunch of goys on Thursday Mornings	18:13
daviddelikat	the leader wore a Chicago Cubs hat today	18:13
daviddelikat	in the middle of some die hard Brewers fans...	18:13
daviddelikat	not a pretty site	18:13
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daviddelikat	this is beautiful code... http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e6f5463	18:28
daviddelikat	compared to this http://webgui.pastebin.com/d23a4c8dc	18:29
+perlDreamer	they do different things?	18:30
+MrHairgrease	it's funny how you use the heredoc to create Pythonesque delimiters	18:30
daviddelikat	what does it have to do with python?	18:31
+perlDreamer	yeah, no whitespace delimiters	18:31
+perlDreamer	<<""	18:31
+perlDreamer	if that gets indented, it breaks	18:31
daviddelikat	how does indenting break it?	18:31
+perlDreamer	maybe I'm wrong	18:32
+perlDreamer	"" is an empty line?	18:32
daviddelikat	blank line should stay blank	18:32
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10372 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: Add POD missing for generateCloud method.	18:32
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10373 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm: Document that getUserList returns users sorted by username.	18:32
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10374 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: More missing POD for generateCloud	18:32
daviddelikat	if it used an id then it would break	18:32
+perlDreamer	so if that gets indented, the line is no longer empty	18:32
daviddelikat	that is what makes it so good	18:32
+perlDreamer	"" ne " "	18:32
daviddelikat	shouldn't add spaces to a blank line	18:33
+perlDreamer	tell that to emacs :)	18:33
daviddelikat	use VI	18:33
+perlDreamer	or whatever editor khenn uses	18:33
daviddelikat	its better	18:33
+MrHairgrease	I use vi	18:33
+MrHairgrease	and it's not a goo idea imho	18:33
+perlDreamer	what does PBP say about HEREDOCS?	18:33
+MrHairgrease	i mean using vi is	18:33
daviddelikat	whats wrong with vi	18:34
+MrHairgrease	using invisible delimiters isnt	18:34
@khenn	Komodo =)	18:34
@Haarg	i used to indent empty lines, but git bitches about it so i stopped doing that	18:34
+MrHairgrease	no	18:34
+MrHairgrease	vi is good	18:34
+MrHairgrease	i use vi all the time	18:34
+perlDreamer	khenn, you changed editors?	18:34
daviddelikat	oddly enough blank space is not invisible	18:34
@khenn	about a year ago	18:34
+MrHairgrease	khenn: joeri and rory are using komodo too	18:35
@khenn	so does rizen	18:35
@Haarg	in general i'd say it's a good idea to use heredocs for that, but a bad idea to use an empty delimiter	18:35
+perlDreamer	as long as you can tell it to use gvim, that should be okay	18:35
@rizen	rizen is 50/50 vim/komodo	18:35
+MrHairgrease	in the Netherlands spaces are invisible	18:35
daviddelikat	must make reading very difficult	18:36
@Haarg	i have vim showing me whitespace so i can always get annoyed at others' inconsistant indenting	18:36
daviddelikat	i have a special setting the converts 'whitespace' to 'blackspace' :)	18:37
@rizen	i have Haarg sitting next to me so i can be perpetually annoyed	18:37
daviddelikat	I use headphones when that happens	18:38
@rizen	doesn't help. the stench of his existence is what annoys me	18:38
+MrHairgrease	then put the headphones over your nose	18:39
+MrHairgrease	and stop being a baby	18:39
* perlDreamer notes to pack pitstick for the WUC		18:39
@rizen	actually it's not so much the stench of his existence as it is the fact that as far as he's concerned everything i do is bad or wrong	18:39
+MrHairgrease	ok	18:39
+MrHairgrease	you think that yourself too	18:39
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+perlDreamer	MrHairgrease, are you confusing crappy code with GarbledCrap?	18:48
+MrHairgrease	all the time	18:49
+MrHairgrease	it's the way I work	18:49
ckotil	is there a way i can limit subfolder_loop? i have LOTS of children, and its cuasing slow down for the folder asset	18:58
+perlDreamer	ckotil, for too many children, /me recommends birth control	18:59
ckotil	heh	19:00
+perlDreamer	the folder has no pagination controls for sub folders or for other children	19:00
+perlDreamer	which leaves you 2 options	19:00
+perlDreamer	1) RFE in some pagination controls	19:00
+perlDreamer	2) Organize your assets differently	19:01
ckotil	hrmm	19:01
ckotil	so i should abandon the folder asset?	19:01
+MrHairgrease	rizen: i suppose that sku specific tax setting should be versioned as well...	19:02
+perlDreamer	that's an option, too, but not your only one	19:02
+perlDreamer	what would you use in its place?	19:02
ckotil	i believe i can hack the folder asset sub view() to only loop X amount of levels deep	19:02
+perlDreamer	it only goes 1 level deep	19:02
ckotil	oh really?	19:02
+perlDreamer	the getLineage call is for children	19:02
+perlDreamer	which is immediate descendants	19:03
ckotil	bc the many children are a good 3 levels deep	19:03
+perlDreamer	and they display in the folder?	19:04
* perlDreamer would like to see that		19:04
ckotil	and i'd like to show you	19:06
ckotil	i can take screen caps	19:06
+perlDreamer	sounds good	19:06
+perlDreamer	use an image pastebin	19:06
ckotil	k	19:06
+perlDreamer	you're sure they're 3 levels deep in lineage, and not just URL?	19:07
+perlDreamer	whoops, laundry time, be back in 5	19:07
ckotil	yeah, lineage is 3 deep	19:07
ckotil	ok , lunch for me.	19:07
SDuensin	Hey gang.	19:11
+perlDreamer	whazzup, SDuensin?	19:12
SDuensin	Not much. Playing with toolkits before I embark on boring projects for internal use.	19:13
+MrHairgrease	hey perlDreamer: is this you: http://search.cpan.org/~colink/ ?	19:13
SDuensin	Last two days I've messed with GWT and Cappuccino. Cappuccino is cooler, but I'll be a LOT more productive with GWT.	19:14
@rizen	MrHairgrease: it would be nice if all custom tax properties were versioned. seems like this should just be a json field that's always part of sku.	19:25
+MrHairgrease	yeah	19:27
+MrHairgrease	right now i put it in a seperate table	19:27
+MrHairgrease	to allow the pluginto search through the option people set	19:27
+MrHairgrease	for instance	19:27
+MrHairgrease	if you define a tax group in the eu plugin	19:28
+MrHairgrease	and delete it later on	19:28
+perlDreamer	that's me, MrHairgrease	19:28
+MrHairgrease	you could warn the user that they're gonna change some product's tax things	19:28
+MrHairgrease	but the more I think about it	19:28
+perlDreamer	I confess that I'm the owner of old, crufty perl modules	19:29
+MrHairgrease	the better a json blob sound	19:29
+MrHairgrease	I applied for a PAUSE account today	19:29
+perlDreamer	for ChartMagick?	19:29
+MrHairgrease	so I'll prolly stuff the tax config in the json blob	19:29
+MrHairgrease	pd: yes	19:29
+perlDreamer	rizen, I kill myself: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m22de939a	19:32
+MrHairgrease	since when are you Mrs Defresne?	19:32
+MrHairgrease	ok, gotta go	19:33
+MrHairgrease	later!	19:33
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@rizen	perlDreamer: i don't understand	19:38
+perlDreamer	The byline for the picture is Elmo Blatch	19:39
+perlDreamer	who really killed Mrs. Dufresne	19:39
+perlDreamer	this is where you say:	19:40
ckotil	pd: http://snare.grnoc.iu.edu/folder_asset/	19:40
ckotil	i capped screens from differing levels	19:40
+perlDreamer	"ha ha" <- (maybe I really don't want this guy to have commit access)	19:40
ckotil	you'll notice lots of folder assets	19:40
ckotil	you think running rebuildLineage script woudl help?	19:41
ckotil	bc when I first imported all of these assets, this issue didn't exist.	19:41
* perlDreamer does not understand what Level 1 .. Level N means		19:42
ckotil	hrmm.	19:43
ckotil	so level1 is the top level, then at level2 i dig down a level	19:43
ckotil	etc..	19:43
ckotil	at the bottom level there are files	19:43
+perlDreamer	but the folders are not showing deep children	19:43
ckotil	i know	19:43
* perlDreamer is confused		19:44
ckotil	the stuff on the left is generated by navigation asset. the stuff in the main section of the page is generated by the folder asset	19:44
+perlDreamer	sure, that I get	19:44
ckotil	would screen caps of the same levels in the asset manager view help?	19:45
+perlDreamer	yes	19:45
ckotil	k	19:45
+perlDreamer	but only if they show the folder doing something wrong	19:45
+perlDreamer	for example, Level2.tiff shows some files, but they may not be configured to show in the nav	19:46
ckotil	everything is displaying the way I want it	19:46
ckotil	ok capping the asset manager view now	19:50
ckotil	http://snare.grnoc.iu.edu/folder_asset/	19:54
CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10375 /wrebuild/build.sh: fixed a syntax error	20:00
+perlDreamer	ckotil, level 2 looks fine	20:00
ckotil	it all looks the way we want. it just loads very slow	20:00
ckotil	and i think its because of all the files and folders	20:00
+perlDreamer	are the sub levels as slow as the top level?	20:01
ckotil	if i move the folder asset containing all the children, the page loads quick again	20:01
ckotil	ill check.	20:01
ckotil	the lower levels are speedy	20:01
+perlDreamer	So it's really the File Bin page that's the problem?	20:02
ckotil	file bin page, L1 engineering, OTDR - Power Meters.	20:02
ckotil	thats level 1, 2, and 3	20:02
ckotil	level4 starts to speed up	20:02
ckotil	and then 5 and 6 are speedy	20:02
ckotil	bc there are less files to loop through (i think)	20:03
ckotil	well i know there are less fiels to loop through	20:03
+perlDreamer	okay, let's recap the problem then	20:05
+perlDreamer	levels 4-6 are "speedy"	20:05
+perlDreamer	levels 1-3 are not	20:05
ckotil	yes. and it only gets slow when you dig into the file bin section	20:06
ckotil	the other sections are normal	20:06
+perlDreamer	to me, it seems like the factor is the number of assets at the current level, rather than the total number of descendants	20:06
+perlDreamer	does that sound right?	20:06
ckotil	whcih is why i think its safe to rule out the nav asset, and suspect the folder asset	20:06
ckotil	but there is never an overwhelming number of assets at any single level	20:07
+perlDreamer	there are more assets at the 1-3 level than the 4-6 levels though	20:07
ckotil	its only when you add in the all the children that the number of assets becomes overwhelming	20:07
ckotil	oh no no.	20:07
+perlDreamer	no?	20:07
+perlDreamer	level 6 has 2 kids	20:07
ckotil	yes, but level 3 has ton of descendants	20:08
ckotil	20 folder assets each with 20 folder assets each with a few (in the example case 2) kids	20:08
+perlDreamer	but the Folder Asset doesn't consider descendants	20:09
+perlDreamer	it only looks at children	20:09
+perlDreamer	if you were to empty a bunch of those level 3 folder assets (leaving the original 20) I think you'd see little difference in speed	20:10
ckotil	hrm, so perhaps i should be suspect of the nav asset	20:10
+perlDreamer	it's easy to check. Just remove it from the style template and reload the page	20:10
ckotil	ya	20:10
* ckotil does that		20:10
ckotil	not the nav asset. definately the folder asset	20:14
+perlDreamer	okay, then I'd say the next step is to try and empty out some of those sub folders, and see if descendants make a difference	20:15
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+perlDreamer	since deleting is not versioned, you can always make a package and then reimport it inside the folders	20:15
ckotil	so i should creaet a package of all th children i suspect are causing the slowdown, and then delete them to test?	20:16
+perlDreamer	yes	20:18
ckotil	k	20:18
ckotil	i just enabled debug and performance idicators	20:18
+perlDreamer	but be sure that you leave the original 20 folders in level 3	20:18
+perlDreamer	just empty them out	20:18
ckotil	hrmm, thats gonna take a while	20:19
+perlDreamer	that will tell us if the problem is related to descendants, or children	20:19
ckotil	ok	20:19
ckotil	i can just delete them for good. on my dev instance	20:19
ckotil	will be quicker	20:19
+perlDreamer	there is 1 other way to do this, using Devel::NYTProf	20:19
+perlDreamer	but it would take a lot of setup	20:19
+perlDreamer	and I don't know how to do it myself	20:19
ckotil	i wouldnt know where to begin	20:20
+perlDreamer	me either, beyond perldoc Devel::NYTProf or google Devel::NYTProf mod_perl	20:20
ckotil	heh. well	20:20
ckotil	about 760 sql queries to load level 2	20:20
ckotil	err. rather 5000 to load level1, and 4373 for level2	20:22
+perlDreamer	5000?	20:22
ckotil	and ~200 for a page that loads quick	20:22
ckotil	ya. sooo...that could be why its slow	20:23
+perlDreamer	and you're sure it's not the nav	20:23
ckotil	pretty sure. ill remove the nav again w/ debug on	20:23
+perlDreamer	wait!	20:23
+perlDreamer	how 'bout saving some of that debug output for future reference?	20:23
ckotil	and ive got a performance indicator for hte nag. bc i use an assetproxy to get it into the style.	20:23
ckotil	AssetProxy:0.164169	20:23
ckotil	sure ill save the debug output	20:24
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10376 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): rfe: Extend DateTime for Week-Nrs (#9151)	20:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10377 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Static export for the topic is done.	20:26
ckotil	removing the nav asset reduced the number of queries by 50 or so	20:34
ckotil	so all those queries are coming from the folder asset	20:34
* perlDreamer is amazed		20:34
+perlDreamer	kind of like the whole Luke / Darth Vader father thing	20:35
+perlDreamer	It's not possible	20:35
ckotil	think i'm the first to load up this many files inside so many folders?	20:35
+perlDreamer	no	20:35
ckotil	darn	20:36
+perlDreamer	could you paste the level1 debug and performance output, please?	20:36
ckotil	sure	20:36
ckotil	now the performance indicators, i only see 2. where i used assetproxy	20:37
+perlDreamer	shoot, I gotta scoot	20:37
+perlDreamer	I'll stay logged in so I can backlog	20:37
+perlDreamer	sorry for running out on you, ckotil	20:37
ckotil	ok. ill post this debug info , and send you a pm	20:38
+perlDreamer	but I'm not giving up	20:38
ckotil	no problem.	20:38
ckotil	heh. so i found a performance indicator that reads 8 seconds! theres my slow down. but its on the asset proxy for the nav asset at the bottom of the page.	20:40
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ckotil	SWEET	21:00
ckotil	perlDreamer: ended up not being all the files and folders.	21:01
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ckotil	but the nav asset at the bottom o fthe page. some custom thing i did to generate urls w/ session ID to keep suers logged in	21:01
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carogray	working on more useability of our website	21:11
carogray	is there a way to add a title - explanatory text - to the links created in the navigation	21:11
carogray	?	21:11
carogray	So our nav is created dynamically, like everyone's who uses WebGUI. the links in the nav are the menu titles	21:12
carogray	can I put something in one of the metadata boxes and then work on the nav template? so that the explanation appears in a tool tips or whereever link titles appear - screen readers can read?	21:13
ckotil	you can. it takes a bit of work modifying the navigation template you are using	21:14
carogray	can you give me some hints?	21:15
ckotil	i pull this off by writing the text i want to see into the meta data summary for an asset. then in the nav template I add <tmpl_var page_synopsis>	21:16
ckotil	meta data summary is also known as synopsis	21:17
carogray	right - so far this looks easier than I thought it would be.	21:17
ckotil	yah , if you understand the template system at all , its really easy to pull off	21:17
carogray	so I just put title="<tmpl_var page_synopsis>" in the <a href tag?	21:18
carogray	oh phew this is terrific! Thanks!	21:18
ckotil	i think <tmpl_var page_synopsis> will go in the <a href="<tmpl_var page_url>"><tmpl_var page_synopsis></a>	21:18
ckotil	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6ce5cbff	21:21
carogray	shouldn't it be	21:24
carogray	<a href="<tmpl_var page.url>"title="<tmpl_var page_synopsis>"><tmpl_var page.menuTitle></a>	21:24
carogray	?	21:24
carogray	oh yeah pastebin will do/go there	21:24
ckotil	oh so you want users to hover over the link to see the synopsis?	21:25
carogray	right, but need to get menu title in there	21:25
carogray	yes, I think so	21:25
ckotil	<a href="<tmpl_var page.url>"title="<tmpl_var page_synopsis>"><tmpl_var page.menuTitle></a> - <tmpl_var page_synopsis> might be good	21:26
carogray	yep, that's what i was thinking - perect am just about to try it out	21:26
ckotil	cool	21:29
carogray	it works! only thing is the variable is page.synopsis not page_synopsis - I think	21:32
ckotil	ah yes. it _ if you use html::template::expr	21:33
ckotil	. for html::template	21:33
carogray	mmm	21:34
carogray	I see, we are using HTML::Template	21:34
ckotil	with html::template::expr you can do more dynamic stuff with your templates	21:35
carogray	ok well that's terrific! another successful stab at making our website a little more accessible. hurray and thanks ckotil	21:35
ckotil	anytime	21:35
carogray	I think we have used that html::template::expr somewhere else, just can't think where for now. but this little bit has been giant boost - especially since so much is broken on our website now! thanks again. I won't forget this help.	21:36
ckotil	:)	21:38
ckotil	i think im using h:t:e everywhere now	21:38
+perlDreamer	bbl	22:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10378 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	22:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: add export mode for StoryArchive.	22:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: Turn off search variables when in export mode.	22:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10379 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10190: Matrix 2.0 - Strange characters in "Show Ratings" box	22:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10380 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: #10190: Matrix 2.0 - Strange characters in "Show Ratings" box	22:41
+MrHairgrease	cpan module question	22:45
+MrHairgrease	should I use underscore separators instead of camelCase in the API of a new CPAN module	22:46
+MrHairgrease	I already have everything in camel case but I figure now is the time to change that if I'm gonna do it at all	22:47
deafferret	MrHairgrease: It's your call, but I thought underscore was far more popular in Perl	22:58
deafferret	ironically camelCase is a Java thing :)	22:59
deafferret	but there's lots of exceptions, so do it however you want	22:59
+MrHairgrease	deafferret: I know, and what is also important. underscores are a PBP	23:01
deafferret	I can't think of any method calls in camel case in perl... there are lots of package names in camel case though ...	23:02
deafferret	i'm thinking underscores everywhere (sub names, arguments) is the way to go	23:02
deafferret	package names camel cased I guess, or with more ::'s :)	23:03
+MrHairgrease	package names should be camel cased	23:04
+MrHairgrease	even by PBP standards	23:04
@rizen	MrHairgrease: go with what you have	23:05
@rizen	don't retrofit	23:05
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10381 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Make rssUrl and atomUrl variables respond to exportMode.	00:42
+perlDreamer	MrHairgrease, nuba, what are your opinions on the words RSS and Atom. Do they need i18n entries?	00:44
+perlDreamer	I mean, what would you translate Atom into?	00:44
@preaction	Atom is a proper noun imho	00:45
@preaction	brand name	00:45
@preaction	WebGUI doesn't get translated	00:45
+perlDreamer	that's what I'm thinking	00:47
+perlDreamer	but we have an entry for RSS	00:47
+perlDreamer	but it's an acronym	00:47
@Haarg	neither should be translated really	00:49
+perlDreamer	hm, what about alternate character sets?	00:56
+perlDreamer	I guess it doesn't matter	00:56
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10382 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: Update RssFeed POD with new paramter for assetExportCollateral.	01:40
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, regarding the bugs you asked me about, were you considering an alternate to backporting the template changes?	01:42
+perlDreamer	no, I thought the original fix might merit a review	01:43
+perlDreamer	before we spread it across 7.6 and 7.7	01:43
+perlDreamer	and require that people modify custom layout templates	01:43
@Haarg	well, i'm sure there is a different way it could be done	01:44
@Haarg	maybe create those divs in javascript	01:45
@Haarg	that code is still pretty unpleasant	01:45
+perlDreamer	the draggable code?	01:45
@Haarg	yeah	01:45
+perlDreamer	preaction has been heard to say that it could be completely rewritten in YUI	01:46
@Haarg	it was adjusted to use yui	01:47
@Haarg	but it wasn't a full rewrite unfortunately	01:47
+perlDreamer	do you have a feel for how common custom layout templates are?	01:49
+perlDreamer	if they were relatively rare, I don't see it as being a big problem	01:49
@Haarg	i know some people who have lots of custom ones	01:50
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+perlDreamer	you think it would be better to try to automatically update the templates via the upgrade script?	01:50
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+perlDreamer	it sounds awfully complex for a regexp, some parser that would let us walk and insert nodes would better	01:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10383 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.4/root_import_storymanager.wgpkg: Add rss and atom feeds to the default storytopic and storyarchive templates	01:57
@Haarg	i'm still not certain about the drag stuff. for the other bug you mentioned, it sounds like it would be best to revert the patch as long as it is valid in mysql	02:19
+perlDreamer	I'll do that now	02:19
+perlDreamer	does the large programmer across the table have any ideas?	02:19
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@Haarg	seems that's a no	02:20
+perlDreamer	no :)	02:20
@Haarg	for the drag thing, i'd like to adjust the javascript so that template modification isn't needed	02:20
@Haarg	but i have to find time to actually do that	02:20
+perlDreamer	can you talk me through it? What you have in mind?	02:20
+perlDreamer	well	02:21
+perlDreamer	I can't do it tonight anyway	02:21
+perlDreamer	I'm directing at rehearsal, so I'll be out from 6:30 until 9:30	02:22
@Haarg	hmm	02:22
@Haarg	actually, it may be simpler than i'm thinking	02:22
@Haarg	<div id="td<tmpl_var id>_handle" class="dragable"><tmpl_var dragger.icon></div>	02:22
+perlDreamer	that's the fix	02:22
@Haarg	dragger.icon could just be modified to include that div	02:22
+perlDreamer	it sure could :)	02:23
@Haarg	that's probably the best fix	02:23
+perlDreamer	let me finish fixing the Inbox sort by, then I'll test that	02:23
+perlDreamer	it'll also keep you free to work on what you need	02:23
@Haarg	well, i'm going to head home in a few, but i'm going to try to jump on later	02:24
+perlDreamer	I'll drop you an email if there are problems	02:24
@Haarg	cool, thanks	02:24
+perlDreamer	just don't release until you check your email ;)	02:25
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@Haarg	ok, bbl	02:26
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10384 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm): Reverting change to Inbox default SORT BY.	02:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10385 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm): Reverting "fix" for Inbox sorting.	02:41
+perlDreamer	cool: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/9ZeFCm8HspU/article.pl	02:42
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10386 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Implementing rfe 10002, add link to User Manager to view a User's account.	03:10
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, am I being overparanoid about that template variable?	03:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10387 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account.pm): Allow the Account system to return data (JSON/XML/other) without style and layout templates.	03:24
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CIA-38	WebGUI: tom * r10388 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm: stripped out some personal comments to clean it up	05:09
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10389 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	12:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: Refactored Edit Survey page to improve UI, fixed some minor bugs,	12:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: cleaned up template and css, reduced memory usage	12:55
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CIA-38	WebGUI: martin * r10390 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Adding pluggable tax system.	16:40
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CIA-38	WebGUI: martin * r10391 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Forgot to 'svn add' a bunch of files.	16:56
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10392 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js: Removing console.log	17:11
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+MrHairgrease	rizen	17:53
+MrHairgrease	is it ok if i add an option to WG::A::Sku that determines is the price you enter is inclusive or exclusive vat?	17:54
+MrHairgrease	the usual way in the netherlands is to enter prices including vat	17:54
+MrHairgrease	and also display prices including vat in the sku view	17:54
@rizen	doesn't that defeat the entire purpose of separating out the tax system?	17:55
+MrHairgrease	no	17:55
@rizen	yes	17:55
@rizen	vat is euro specific	17:55
+MrHairgrease	if I want to sell something for 10 euro's	17:55
+MrHairgrease	the price i mean is 10 euro's	17:56
+MrHairgrease	not 10 euro's plus vat	17:56
+MrHairgrease	the tax plugin determines what part of the price is vat in that case	17:56
topsub	hello everyone	17:56
@rizen	yeah, but you're asking me if you can put a field into the sku (not the tax system, the sku) that asks something about vat, which is tax specific and euro specific	17:57
+MrHairgrease	no	17:57
@rizen	if you can do it in a generic way like "Does price include tax?" then i'd be ok with it	17:57
+MrHairgrease	that's what i meant	17:57
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@rizen	so then the generic plugin will also take this field into account?	17:58
+MrHairgrease	Maybe I should brush up my communicative skills	17:58
+MrHairgrease	yes	17:58
@rizen	then i'm ok with it	17:58
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:58
+MrHairgrease	cool	17:58
+MrHairgrease	I just committed the pluggable tax stuff btw	17:58
+MrHairgrease	if you spot something braindead, please let me know	17:59
@rizen	ok, i'm preparing to leave for a trade show, but i'll try to look at it while i'm on the plane, in the hotel room, between packing, etc. =)	18:00
+MrHairgrease	hehe	18:00
+MrHairgrease	have fun	18:00
+MrHairgrease	what show are you going to?	18:01
@rizen	http://www.ad-tech.com/sf/	18:01
+MrHairgrease	it's all about website ads?	18:02
@rizen	no, it's the largest marketing and advertising professionals trade show in the world (they have it in 10 different cities)	18:02
+MrHairgrease	ok	18:03
@rizen	it's about tools for advertisers, marketers, and graphic and web design companies	18:03
@rizen	our goal is to present webgui as a great tool for those people	18:03
+MrHairgrease	and webgui is one such tool?	18:03
@rizen	yup	18:03
+MrHairgrease	right	18:03
+MrHairgrease	cool	18:03
+MrHairgrease	you're taking tavis along then?	18:03
@rizen	Tavis and Tabitha	18:03
@rizen	We hope the three of us will be able to handle all the booth traffic	18:04
@rizen	Though, that could be problematic, because we've had three people at trade shows that were 1/4 the size of this one, and weren't able to keep up	18:04
+MrHairgrease	but those shows were more tech oriented right?	18:05
@rizen	yup	18:05
+MrHairgrease	ok, good luck	18:05
@rizen	thanks, we'll need it	18:06
+MrHairgrease	and let me know how it worked out	18:06
@rizen	one good thing will come of it	18:06
@rizen	we're giving away 2,000 gooey dolls at this event	18:06
+MrHairgrease	cool	18:06
@rizen	so there will be 2000 people that take away the webgui.org url	18:06
+MrHairgrease	that's an invasion	18:06
@rizen	if nothing else	18:06
@rizen	=)	18:06
+MrHairgrease	and putting them on their heads	18:07
+MrHairgrease	somehow everybody I know that has held a Gooey put him on their heads	18:07
@rizen	we can only hope	18:07
+MrHairgrease	one question, If I want to wipe the entire My purchases histroy in a site. I can just delete from transaction and transactionItem right?	18:09
@rizen	that would do it	18:10
+MrHairgrease	ok	18:10
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@rizen	provided there aren't transactions tied back to your payment gateway	18:10
@rizen	recurring ones i mean	18:10
+MrHairgrease	just making sure I don't leave stuff dangling in the db	18:10
+MrHairgrease	yeah	18:10
+MrHairgrease	there aren't	18:10
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10393 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt):	18:48
CIA-38	WebGUI: - Added Linux-Smaps-0.06 and Class-Member-1.6.	18:48
CIA-38	WebGUI: - fixed: shared memory not reported correctly (#10212)	18:48
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+perlDreamer	The Shop/Tax tests are broken	18:55
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: 7.7 draggable solution committed	19:06
+perlDreamer	I'm going to work on 7.6 next	19:06
@Haarg	cool, thanks	19:06
+perlDreamer	and it will make a good WNN article	19:06
+perlDreamer	7.6 is fixed, too	19:18
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10394 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs):	19:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: Remove package with modified dragger tags.	19:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: Put the new dragger tags into the template variables generated by the Layout.	19:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: Update the Layout Help now that dragger.icon is inside the position loops.	19:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: Remove the gotcha text for the manual modification solution.	19:19
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10395 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting dragable fix.	19:19
+perlmonkey2	server side validation on the Survey. Is it necessary? We have client side, so it seems server side would only catch the cheaters, which could be caught in reports providing much more interesting information.	19:19
+perlDreamer	validating for what?	19:20
+perlmonkey2	if the answer met the constraints.	19:20
+perlmonkey2	Some answer types have constraints	19:20
@Haarg	yes you should have server side validation	19:20
+perlDreamer	with server-side validation, would it make it possible for people with JS to use the Survey?	19:21
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: the server side would not interfer with the current client side validation at all.	19:21
+perlmonkey2	interfere	19:21
+perlmonkey2	Haarg: but why? What does it gain us to have server side validation? The only people it would ever catch would be cheaters.	19:21
+perlmonkey2	which could be caught in reporting at any time.	19:22
@rizen	because it's just plain good design	19:22
@rizen	not doing it is just laziness	19:22
+perlmonkey2	it is implementing the same functionality in two seperate places.	19:22
@rizen	there are two choices in designing web based systems	19:24
@rizen	server side validation or server side and client side	19:24
@rizen	client side only, and no validation at all are basically the same thing	19:24
@rizen	and both useless when it comes to safety and security	19:24
+perlDreamer	rizen: may I close bug #10212, reporting shared memory incorrectly?	19:25
+perlmonkey2	this isn't for user auth or something dangerous, it is for determining if a survey answer has met its constraints. The answers are already validated for attacks.	19:25
@rizen	perlDreamer: i'm still validating and rebuilding	19:26
@rizen	i'll do it in a bit	19:26
+perlDreamer	okay-doke	19:26
@rizen	perlmonkey2: if you want me to i'll go this route: just do it cuz i said so	19:26
+perlmonkey2	hmm, should only be a few lines of code to do server side validation, so it isn't really a big deal.	19:26
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10396 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Preliminary check in for new Survey text number type and validation.	20:17
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10397 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	20:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: Document how template variables work in export mode.	20:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: Change how pagination works when exporting.	20:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: Early code for exporting keyword pages.	20:31
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10398 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: test for getStaticKeywordUrl	20:31
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Kegaro	wow.	21:14
Kegaro	I really like that chatbox.	21:14
+perlDreamer	you were able to get it working then, Kegaro?	21:14
Kegaro	Yup	21:14
Kegaro	I had to 'fix' it though.	21:15
Kegaro	fix isn't the right word -- makes it sounds like it was broken...it wasn't.	21:15
Kegaro	it just didn't work the way I wanted.	21:15
+perlDreamer	that would be "hack" :)	21:15
Kegaro	haha	21:15
Kegaro	THAT'S the word I was looking for!!	21:16
Kegaro	I'm working on making my hack an option you can choose on a per-asset basis.	21:16
Kegaro	like -- for example -- I like to chat IRC style .. with the new messages coming in from the bottom.	21:16
Kegaro	I like to scroll...so there is a scrollbar now.	21:16
+perlDreamer	adding asset propeties is pretty easy. They're setup in the definition subroutine.	21:17
+perlDreamer	then you have to add a database column, which is done in whatever install/upgrade script is provided	21:17
Kegaro	and (this took me most of the day today because I know next to NOTHING about javascript) I was able to automatically scroll to the bottom of the <div> window.	21:17
Kegaro	yup. That part is the easy part.	21:18
Kegaro	the part I'm not sure how to do yet is to pull those variables into the javascript.	21:18
+perlDreamer	you have a few options there	21:18
+perlDreamer	1) make an ajax call, or return it as part of any JSON that is currently used	21:18
+perlDreamer	that's the cleanest way	21:19
+perlDreamer	the 2nd way is to use templating	21:19
+perlDreamer	where you "generate" the javascript	21:19
Kegaro	ahh. okay.	21:19
Kegaro	this javascript is a "snippet".	21:19
+perlDreamer	not so good. Bad separation of code and display	21:19
+perlDreamer	or, you can "install" it, kind of like how the Content/AssetManager code does it	21:20
+perlDreamer	the javascript provides a default value	21:20
+perlDreamer	then the templated/generated code overrides that	21:20
Kegaro	hrm....	21:20
+perlDreamer	did that make any sense?	21:21
Kegaro	I'm gonna have to look at those options and decide which would be the best option...	21:21
Kegaro	yes. it did.	21:21
+perlDreamer	#3 is the easiest. #1 is the "best"	21:21
+perlDreamer	traditionally, we've done #2, but you'll hate it every day of your coding life	21:21
Kegaro	as far as I know...there is no JSON code in this page...	21:21
+perlDreamer	how does it update?	21:21
Kegaro	its all done through javascript timers.	21:22
Kegaro	wait...	21:22
Kegaro	no...	21:22
Kegaro	I'm wrong.	21:22
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Kegaro	I don't know who wrote this chatbox...the bazaar doesn't say the name.	21:52
* perlDreamer thinks it is preaction		21:52
Kegaro	:-)	21:53
* Kegaro rubs hands like Mr. Burns, "EXcellent!"		21:54
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elnino	HI from BEAUTIFUL Minnesota! FINALLY!	21:57
deafferret	:) Omaha is nice today too	21:57
+perlDreamer	elnino!	21:59
elnino	howdy!	21:59
+perlDreamer	what does the "finally" mean?	21:59
elnino	it means it's nice to be outside. I just came home from the zoo. 70 degrees, sun, no clouds, slight breeze. perfect	22:00
elnino	It actually has been nice all week. I guess this was really the first I got to enjoy it.	22:00
deafferret	today is my first motorcyle to work day. :) joy!	22:01
elnino	that too. The roads are clean now, so it CANT snow again, right?	22:02
deafferret	http://twitter.com/deafferret First motorcycle ride into work of the year! woot! If my YTD short ride pattern holds it is now destined to snow tomorrow. :(	22:03
elnino	soo... I was thinking of setting up in webgui and give users a way to subscribe and recieve text messages (rather than emails). has anyone done anythink like this? Isn't SMS just a "special" email address format?	22:14
+perlDreamer	elnino, I think there are approved RFEs for that	22:15
+perlDreamer	you should check	22:15
elnino	oh. ok.	22:15
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Kegaro	a basic HTML question: is there a way to tell if I user browses away from a page?	22:26
Kegaro	if a user, rather.	22:26
elnino	Kegaro	22:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10399 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm: Save 1 object access per friend by using the friendId we already know.	22:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10400 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: exportSession must be closed _before_ it throws.	22:27
elnino	yyou can use a javascipt	22:27
elnino	so for example, a user click a button to "leave" the page, and then you would know.	22:27
elnino	but other than that, if they retype a url in the browser, or something like that, you can't tell if a user leaves.	22:27
Kegaro	okay.	22:28
Kegaro	cool.	22:28
elnino	but you can also use google analytics, and track what pages people leave from.	22:28
elnino	but if you want to say, "DON"T LEAVE YET" google analytics won't help. =)	22:28
elnino	but the javascript could.	22:28
Kegaro	I had a brainstorm for something I would like to see on the chatbox -- a list of people who are also watching the chat.	22:28
elnino	That's a little different.	22:29
Kegaro	make it 'feel' a little more like IRC - with a list of users in the channel down the side.	22:29
elnino	I believe there are macros in webgui that will list "logged on users"	22:29
elnino	Then when they "log off" they will be removed from the "list"	22:29
Kegaro	logged in users doesn't mean they are watching the chatbox...I thought about that too.	22:29
Kegaro	:-)	22:30
elnino	correct	22:30
elnino	it just simply says whether they "logged on" or "logged off" - nothing in between.	22:30
Kegaro	when the chatbox is loads, a POST ?status=1 could be sent to the server, and the users name could be added to the "online" list.	22:30
elnino	at least that's how I understand it.	22:30
Kegaro	but the problem is determining when they leave.	22:30
elnino	they have to click or do something for the system to know. Or I supposed you can time them out.	22:31
Kegaro	I could put a log-out button there...and use a timeout (no activity for X minutes = status=0)	22:31
elnino	right.=)	22:31
Kegaro	hmmm. I'll have to think about that for a while -- if the pain of making it work is worth it.	22:32
Kegaro	if the 'online' list is too unreliable, it might not be worth it.	22:33
@preaction	there's already a ^UsersOnline macro you could use for this purpose	22:35
@preaction	oh	22:35
@preaction	i see	22:35
Kegaro	:-)	22:35
@preaction	it is rather unreliable, but no matter what the chatbox calls ?func=json to get its data. and i believe the timeout on that is 5 or 10 seconds. so if they don't send a request in 30 seconds, they're not watching the chatbox anymore	22:36
Kegaro	oh yaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaa...	22:37
Kegaro	:-)	22:37
elnino	so it IS reliable... sounds like a good solution!	22:39
elnino	um. who's chat box? does webgui have a chat box now? cool.	22:40
Kegaro	Well, if preaction doesn't mind, I think I will work on adding that to the chatbox, too.	22:40
@preaction	elnino: it's not in core, it's an add-on currently in the bazaar	22:40
elnino	is it yours?	22:41
@preaction	i did the initial development, yes	22:41
@preaction	once kegaro gets the extra features done, i'll merge them and update the version in the bazaar	22:42
elnino	cool.	22:57
elnino	preaction.. Has this been tested on 7.6?	22:58
@preaction	it was tested on a version of SVN HEAD from when I uploaded it, so I think yes	22:58
@preaction	the code itself is almost retardedly stupid. some SQL and some JSON accessors	22:59
elnino	simple is good!!! it's a powerful feature to have!	23:00
@preaction	yeah, but it's not doing simple in the right way. we have Crud now for simple SQL (which replaces the raw SQL i had to write), and there are some other Best Practices stuff that i'm not yet doing	23:02
elnino	crud being a perl library or something?	23:07
deafferret	crud?	23:08
deafferret	bot?	23:08
@preaction	WebGUI::Crud is a way to make an API for a simple SQL table	23:08
deafferret	hmm... crud is usually Create/Update/Read/Delete	23:08
deafferret	not in that order :) basic DB IO	23:08
@preaction	once it's an module, it can be used with workflow, it can have additional methods, it can do a lot more fun stuff	23:09
@preaction	yeah, that's why we called it Crud	23:09
elnino	ah. sounds cool.	23:09
@preaction	it is cool. all the 3-4 hours one wastes writing generic get/set/delete/find methods for database tables can be done in 20 lines of definition code now	23:10
@preaction	like DBIx::Class, only smaller and webgui-centric	23:10
elnino	good idea	23:11
@preaction	the better idea will be: we can write an asset that can give a web interface to any WebGUI::Crud subclass ;)	23:12
@preaction	so now you also have a way for end-users to update a Crud table, with no additional code!	23:12
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@preaction	are we releasing 7.7.4 today?	23:51
+perlDreamer	Haarg mentioned that it would skip a week this week	23:52
+perlDreamer	but that was in passing	23:52
@preaction	heh, good. that means my deadline would never have been made anyway	23:52
@preaction	well, we had some emergencies come up yesterday that are now fixed, but that puts us a day behind	23:53
+perlDreamer	stuff happens, and it is the beta release	23:53
+perlDreamer	and we got some good bugs fixed this morning	23:53
@preaction	we now officially have http basic auth for all our RSS feeds	23:54
+perlDreamer	sweet	23:54
@preaction	RSS feeds can now be protected and will still work! yay!	23:55
+perlDreamer	say, while you're in there, could you have www_view* check canView?	23:55
+perlDreamer	that way the feeds will actually be protected	23:55
@preaction	oh ye of little faith	23:55
+perlDreamer	my faith has been very tried today	23:56
+perlDreamer	so I'm falling back on incipient nagging	23:56
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10401 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm): fixed #10213: RssFeed aspect now checks canView and gives HTTP Basic Auth login box	23:58
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+perlDreamer	that is just beautiful	00:00
+perlDreamer	too bad we can't have an basic auth aspect	00:00
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+perlDreamer	actually, would that work?	00:40
+perlDreamer	I mean, we could get some methods mixed in at various levels of hierarchy	00:40
@preaction	i was thinking a revamping of the whole idea of WebGUI::Session::Privilege	01:09
@preaction	once you've decided that the user is not authorized, you choose WHY they aren't authorized (RegisteredUsers, AdminOnly, InsufficientPrivileges) and then turn complete control over to WebGUI::Privilege	01:10
@preaction	in theory, if the content type is not text/html, you could then decide to put the HTTP Basic Auth login box	01:11
@preaction	but really, there's only TWO privilege messages: You aren't allowed to access this, and Nobody is allowed to access this, how did you get here?	01:13
@preaction	if you aren't allowed and you're not logged in, you should be shown the login screen	01:14
@preaction	if you aren't allowed and you are logged in, show an error message	01:14
@preaction	if nobody is allowed, show an error message (different one)	01:14
+perlDreamer	sounds good (and testable) :)	01:18
@preaction	i'm also thinking that like the 404 not found page, this should be a template instead of an i18n message	01:21
@preaction	but, that's time i don't have	01:21
@preaction	the most common i18n people want to change is that one, to help users figure out why they are denied	01:22
+perlDreamer	it doesn't take that long to make a template. If you build the template, I'll do the help and i18n for it.	01:22
+perlDreamer	(aside: I don't suppose you have a good chicken burrito recipe, do you?)	01:23
@preaction	no, i don't. but i imagine mine would involve some canned, shredded chicken, 1/4 cup of water, taco seasoning, simmer for a while	01:24
@preaction	but if you have chicken already, try cutting into small pieces and making quesadillas instead	01:24
+perlDreamer	that's what I was thinking, with the addition of black beans, rice, and cheddar	01:24
@preaction	http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1757,128178-249198,00.html <- spanish rice recipe for side-dish	01:25
@preaction	i removed all the vegetables and replaced them with beans and corn in mine	01:25
@preaction	well, kept onion but used onion powder, garlic powder instead of cloves garlic, etc...	01:25
@preaction	tomato paste is essential though	01:25
@preaction	otherwise, yeah, cook the rice, add the chicken (precooked anyway), beans, cheese, add a 1/2 cup sour cream, and you're good	01:26
* perlDreamer will let you know how it turns out		01:26
@preaction	oh, add salsa to the mix as well	01:26
@preaction	place in pan on bed of salsa, top with some more cheese, bake for 25 at 375 i think	01:27
@preaction	"Or until heated through and cheese is melted"	01:27
@preaction	(yes, i do have a burrito recipe, just without chicken in it)	01:28
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@preaction	would it be awesome to have Thingy exported as LDAP somehow?	02:02
@preaction	better, IMPORTED from LDAP somehow?	02:02
+perlDreamer	no	02:17
+perlDreamer	because you said LDAP in it	02:17
+perlDreamer	anything with LDAP is bad	02:17
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Kegaro	wow...nothing like trying to put 5 kids to bed to ruin a night.	03:58
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Kegaro	Is anyone still around?	04:21
@preaction	yes'm	04:22
@preaction	we're usually all around somewhere, just responding to thing.	04:22
@preaction	like a group IM service really	04:22
Kegaro	haha	04:22
Kegaro	I'm looking at some other wobjects, trying to figure out how to add more properties to the chatbox -- like the content filter (looks REALLY simple to do!!)	04:23
@preaction	asset properties are in the sub definition () at the top	04:23
@preaction	see lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_wobject.skeleton sub definition for more information	04:24
@preaction	you may also be interested in picking up the WebGUI Developer's Guide, lots of good tutorials and information in there	04:24
Kegaro	yah. I think I may need to.	04:24
@preaction	there's a wiki article on how to write a wobject too	04:24
Kegaro	in the examples I'm looking at, they use WebGUI::International->new	04:24
Kegaro	and I was wondering where/how it got it's information.	04:25
@preaction	yeah, chatbox isn't internationalized	04:25
Kegaro	okay -- that's a language thing, right?	04:25
@preaction	there should be an article on how i18n works too	04:25
@preaction	yeah	04:25
Kegaro	okay.	04:25
Kegaro	cool.	04:25
Kegaro	I was just making sure I wasn't missing anything.	04:25
Kegaro	I can only speak english...so I can't do any of that. :-)	04:26
@preaction	we have translation teams do that. http://i18n.webgui.org <- the $i18n->get('key') gets a key from one of the language files. the default is English	04:27
Kegaro	I can try: French: Le ChatBox. Italian: Chataboxa. Spanish: El Chatboxo. Swaheli: Cha!box!.	04:28
Kegaro	:-)	04:29
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CIA-38	WebGUI: Fixed Tax.t tests. The file that contains them should be renamed to TaxDriver/Generic.t. Will do so when I add the tests for the other taxing	10:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: components.	10:55
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10404 /translations/Portuguese/Portuguese/ (5 files): Update from translation server	23:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10405 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed #10143: Matrix 2.0 - Product maintainer accounts changed during upgrade	23:50
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wgGuest15	Drag and Drop doesn't seem to be working in 7.6.20 - it does work on my sites or on the demo site. Can anyone confirm this?	00:58
wgGuest15	doesn't work work on my sites...	00:59
@preaction	i think there was a bug about this that was fixed	01:03
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wgGuest15	preaction: i.e. the fixed version will be 7.6.21? I need to do some more work on the site tomorrow. I'm not a coder. Is there a way to manually patch this and/or manually change the location of assets?	01:44
wgGuest15	I've already made some changes and would prefer not to have to go to my last backup.	01:45
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@preaction	wgGuest15: check your docs/gotcha.txt	01:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10407 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	01:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: added Survey Number type. Text number entry that uses slider restrictions as constraints (server and client side). You can also use the arrow keys	01:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: to increment or decrement the number enter.	01:46
wgGuest15	preaction: I've checked the gotcha and the last entry pertains to 7.6.11.	01:56
@preaction	wgGuest15: give me a minute to gather the instructions on how to fix this for yourself. you're gonna have to help me a little here	02:02
wgGuest15	preaction: Thanks!	02:03
@preaction	wgGuest15: go to: http://yoursite.com/default_page?func=edit <- look at the "Revisions" on the right, when is the latest one? 8 months ago?	02:03
@preaction	there should be more than one revision, at least	02:04
@preaction	http://webgui.pastebin.com <- paste the contents of your template there please	02:04
@preaction	and then give me the URL it gives you	02:04
wgGuest15	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1734caab	02:06
wgGuest15	Prior version was 7 months ago	02:06
wgGuest15	pasted the current version	02:06
@preaction	you arent using any custom page layout templates are you?	02:07
wgGuest15	no, only change the styles of the defaults	02:08
@preaction	okay, what i want you to do is grab only lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm from WebGUI 7.6.19 and replace your current lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm with it	02:09
@preaction	that ... should work	02:09
@preaction	http://update.webgui.org/7.x.x <- old versions of WebGUI	02:09
wgGuest15	ok I'll download it now.	02:10
wgGuest15	Do I need to restart WebGUI>	02:18
wgGuest15	?	02:18
@preaction	yes	02:18
@preaction	when code changes or configuration files change you have to restart	02:18
wgGuest15	It doesn't seem to have changed anything. Behavior is the same...	02:23
@preaction	what browser are you using?	02:27
wgGuest15	I've checked in FF and Chrome	02:27
wgGuest15	I may have done something wrong	02:28
wgGuest15	I run diff on the two files and I don't see any changes...	02:29
@preaction	what's the last version of webgui you had before this?	02:29
wgGuest15	7.6.18	02:29
@preaction	and it worked then?	02:29
wgGuest15	I don't know. I didn't attempt to make any changes to the site.	02:30
wgGuest15	But the demo server seems to have the same problem...	02:31
@preaction	yes, i'm there now	02:31
@preaction	ok, i fixed it, i'll get you the instructions	02:36
wgGuest15	I can edit from the console as needed. If I'm told what to do.	02:37
@preaction	okay. so this will fix it temporarily, but as soon as .21 gets released i want you to upgrade and come back here when you do so that we can help you fix it again	02:38
wgGuest15	will do	02:38
@preaction	i'm not sure how my fix is going to hurt/help your upgrade path, so i want to get it done while i remember what i did here	02:38
@preaction	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.8/default_page.wgpkg?rev=10298 <- download that file. go to the Asset Manager, and import the package.	02:38
@preaction	that's it, then it's fixed	02:38
@preaction	the .21 upgrade i believe assumes that package is NOT there, which means that you'll need to delete the revision that the package creates	02:39
@preaction	when you upgrade to .21	02:39
@preaction	but just come back here and we'll help you sort it all out	02:39
@preaction	daviddelikat and perlDreamer have both worked on this bug, so they should know what's going on.	02:40
wgGuest15	I'll do that. is 21 due out this week?	02:40
@preaction	yes, Tuesday is stable release day	02:40
@preaction	i'm now going to go rant for a while on proper QA procedures to avoid regressions on a so-called STABLE release...	02:41
@preaction	if you need me, i'll be in the angry dome	02:41
wgGuest15	thanks for your help you've been great. You also helped me on the forums. I'm dhelsten.	02:41
@preaction	you can use a real IRC client to get here if you want	02:42
@preaction	irc.freenode.com #webgui	02:42
wgGuest15	One suggestion I have would be to allow users to update to any one of the last three versions when using webgui update. This isn't the first time that I installed the latest version within the week it came out and had some major problems out the chute. (My own rant). I'll download an IRC client. I just don't use it much.	02:44
wgGuest15	Thanks again.	02:44
@preaction	wgGuest15: i like that idea, http://webgui.org/rfe <- post an RFE for it	02:45
wgGuest15	Will do. By the way, is importing the package enough or do I actually place it somewhere?	02:46
@preaction	just importing the package will update the underlying asset.	02:46
wgGuest15	OK	02:46
@preaction	you can click "Edit" and go to the metadata tab and make it not be a package anymore if you want	02:47
wgGuest15	packages have never been very intituive me because I don't know how they really interact with the file system/database.	02:48
@preaction	the Content Manager's Guide has all the information you'll need about packages	02:48
@preaction	there's a few articles in the wiki about them too	02:48
wgGuest15	OK	02:49
wgGuest15	Yikes, I got an error on import. I'll try downloading again. Error: Unable to extract package! The package may be corrupt, or there may be a server error preventing packages from being imported.	02:52
wgGuest15	Do I need to unzip first...	02:52
wgGuest15	will try	02:52
wgGuest15	ok. that was it. didn't see that it was gzipped.	02:53
@preaction	er... it's supposed to be gzipped	02:54
@preaction	it's wgpkg, it's a gzipped bunch of .json files	02:55
@preaction	check your error log	02:55
wgGuest15	it read ...wgpkg.gz so I assume I just needed unzip and to get it to end in wgpkg before importing	02:57
wgGuest15	seems to have gone ok after I did that	02:57
@preaction	weird	02:57
wgGuest15	ok it seems to be working. However I misunderstood you when you asked if I was using the default template. I thought you meant the original layout templates that came with webgui. I'm actually using two column right for most of my work as opposed to the default page. The fix works great when I'm on the default page, not on the others of course. Sorry, I should have been more clear.	03:01
@preaction	wgGuest15: okay. edit the Right Column template (go to the edit screen of your page layout, click Display, click Edit next to "Page Layout Template"), then replace <tmpl_var dragger.icon> with this:	03:22
@preaction	<div id="td<tmpl_var id>_handle" class="dragable"><tmpl_var dragger.icon></div>	03:22
@preaction	that is the change that you will probably have to revert when you upgrade to 7.6.21	03:22
@preaction	and if you really want to thank me, keep hanging out on the webgui.org forums and helping people, or buy some books from plainblack.com	03:23
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rahul	Test your web site with different IE versions with a single tool http://techbuddha.blog.co.in/2009/04/19/test-your-web-site-with-different-ie-versions-with-a-single-tool/	03:32
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dhelsten	preaction: I made the changes 1 for each column. Works like a charm. I'll hang out more. I used to help people on the forums a couple years ago. It feels like there are fewer newbies now which is too bad.	03:55
@preaction	i dunno, we've been having some new people, but imho our install is too difficult and people don't read the instructions	03:56
@preaction	the instructions are easy to follow, but nobody reads them	03:56
dhelsten	The install isn't hard. I'm created a company site a few years ago and enjoyed using WebGUI. I'm creating one for a nonprofit now and actually was exploring both drupal and wordpress. Frankly, I would have gone with workpress in a heartbeat if it had groups and permissions.	04:03
dhelsten	Personally, having a starting site that looks great out of the box is a big selling point for me as it saves me a lot of time.	04:03
dhelsten	Also, they hide a lot of the assets. It took a while for me to get used to all of the relatively unsorted content in the asset manager. I'm sure there are some less sophisticated users like myself that look at the import directory of the asset manager, are overwhelmed and head for the hills.	04:05
dhelsten	Anyway, I'm back to WebGUI because it is so customizable and quite powerful. I just wish more people recognized that and would pitch in. My two cents. I'm done for the day. Thanks for all your help.	04:08
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10408 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Survey new number type, if slider constraints are left blank, no constraints are applied.	05:56
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10409 /WebGUI/ (14 files in 11 dirs): added: ThingyRecord allows you to sell records in a Thing (like a classified ad)	05:56
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): missed some files	05:56
@preaction	that's right CIA, about time	06:04
Kegaro	hello all.	06:19
Kegaro	what a -great- day.	06:21
Kegaro	I got to go out, sans children, for my wedding anniversary.	06:22
Kegaro	and I get to go out tomorrow, too!!!	06:22
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@preaction	nice	06:22
Kegaro	I'm learning about debugging memory problems on linux now.	06:24
Kegaro	http - mod perl crashed my box sometime today.	06:24
Kegaro	it had sucked over 33% of my ram.	06:25
Kegaro	the processes themselves were defunct.	06:26
@preaction	perhaps your maxchilds is set too high for that system?	06:28
@preaction	there is a lot of information on performance-tuning apache, but much of it just plain sucks	06:29
Kegaro	I'm not sure most of it is written in english.	06:29
@preaction	rule of thumb:	06:29
@preaction	take the amount of memory you have available when apache is stopped	06:29
Kegaro	you have to be a hard-core C programmer with YEARS of experance to understand it.	06:30
@preaction	find the average amount of memory each mod_perl process uses	06:30
@preaction	(let's say 500 free, and 100m average each), divide the two, and allow at least 250M free	06:31
@preaction	so i would set MaxClients to 2 for my example	06:31
@preaction	MaxClients is located in /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf btw	06:32
Kegaro	cool.	06:36
Kegaro	that seems to have helped.	06:38
Kegaro	thanks preaction!	06:38
@preaction	you can use "ab" to test under load	06:38
@preaction	or "siege" works quite nice, but it's a little more difficult to use	06:39
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10411 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed: #10109: Matrix 2.0 - Updates to product listing by maintainer account require admin approval	20:12
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10412 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed: #10109: Matrix 2.0 - Updates to product listing by maintainer account require admin approval	20:27
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10413 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Minor change to Survey number type. Fixed duck type addition/concat confusion, and defaulted answer to empty string.	05:40
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+perlDreamer	Yay! WebGUI is in Debian	17:53
+Radix_	it is?	17:58
+perlDreamer	yes	17:58
+Radix_	debian 5?	17:58
+perlDreamer	apparently, it is in something called "Sid"	17:58
+Radix_	ahh k.. sid is unstable now I think	18:00
+Radix_	but from unstable it moves to testing then into a real release further down the track	18:01
LTR_bob	I thought it went into Debian last year? There was a presentation at the WUC!?	18:01
+perlDreamer	work had begun on that, but we missed a key deadline	18:01
+perlDreamer	so you could use a foreign repository to get it, but it wasn't in the mainline distribution until today/yesterday	18:02
+Radix_	yup, it's in sid	18:03
+Radix_	cool.. might give it a try	18:03
+Radix_	webgui - Content management platform to maintain complex web sites	18:04
+perlDreamer	pretty good description	18:04
+perlDreamer	although you can also do simple websites	18:04
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+Radix_	haha.. lotsa dependencies	18:05
+perlDreamer	should be. A whole raft of perl modules	18:06
+Radix_	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2e1c7a99	18:07
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+Radix_	that's on a pretty newly installed debian5 machine ;)	18:08
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+perlDreamer	seems pretty accurate	18:09
+perlDreamer	that's close to the size of the WRE	18:09
+Radix_	I'll leave it installing overnight and have a play with it tomorrow.. off to bed now :)	18:11
+perlDreamer	good night, Radix_	18:11
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SDuensin	It made it to Debian? Sweet!	18:54
+perlDreamer	hm, how bad could it be if Oracle buys MySQL?	19:47
@preaction	they bought Sun, which I assume will be maintaining operational autonomy	19:48
@preaction	but possibly it could be bad, no reason why it should though	19:48
+perlDreamer	aside from Oracle buying the most popular open source database (that we use)	19:48
* perlDreamer is just doomsaying and rumormongering		19:49
@preaction	doomsaying baad!	19:49
@Haarg	they'll probably work to make an easier migration path from mysql to oracle, but we don't really need anything for mysql other than bug fixes	19:49
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+perlDreamer	I was thinking about the stuck 007 workflows for sending mail	20:47
@preaction	i don't think he has anything to do with it	20:48
+perlDreamer	if it takes a long time to send email, the activity will return waiting	20:48
+perlDreamer	which will make spectre requeue it	20:48
+perlDreamer	but I don't think it uses the same object over again	20:49
@preaction	oh, i guess he does if SPECTRE is involved	20:49
+perlDreamer	which means that it has to create a new object	20:49
+perlDreamer	which it won't do, since it is a singleton workflow	20:49
* preaction giggles		20:49
@preaction	THAT WAS FUNNY, C'MON	20:49
@preaction	wait, singleton workflows don't create new objects what?	20:50
@preaction	the 007 workflow is a None object type anyway, there is no object	20:50
+perlDreamer	it has a Workflow Instance object	20:50
+perlDreamer	that kind of object	20:51
+perlDreamer	maybe I should start at the beginning and try to be less confusing?	20:51
@preaction	oh yeah that, but WAITING just means "Run the same activity again, I'll handle the details of how to restore from my last state"	20:51
+perlDreamer	sure, but if it make a new instance object to do that, it won't ever do that	20:51
@preaction	it doesn't create a new instance, it just reinstances the old instance	20:52
+perlDreamer	think perl object vs database data	20:52
+perlDreamer	I know the instance DATA persists	20:52
@preaction	right. if a singleton workflow never allowed reinstantiation, it would never ever work with more than one activity	20:52
+perlDreamer	but it has to make a new object (with old data from the DB)	20:52
+perlDreamer	they don't ever allow reinstancing	20:53
@Haarg	create is what refuses to make a new instance for singletons	20:53
@Haarg	not new	20:53
@preaction	they don't allow a second instance to exists	20:53
@preaction	in the database	20:53
@Haarg	you can use new to reinstance an existing workflowinstance	20:53
+perlDreamer	what does WebGUI use, though?	20:53
@Haarg	but you can't use create to make another one with the same data	20:53
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@Haarg	it uses new, it only does create when it starts the workflow running	20:54
+perlDreamer	well, so much for that idea then	21:02
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CIA-38	WebGUI: use the rowsPerPage option to getMatchingAssets as a limit clause when	21:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: usePaginator is not used.	21:41
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@preaction	has anyone thought of or done any work with turning Thingy Things and Records into Crud?	23:50
@preaction	if not, I think I have a project that will require it	23:50
@preaction	hm... must be monday	23:53
+perlDreamer	preaction: what is this Thingy fetish you have nowadays?	23:54
+perlDreamer	Cruddy Things, Sku'ed Things	23:54
@preaction	7.6 went stable a few months ago, it's only natural that people would get into the Thingy spirit	23:55
@preaction	i like building tools for people who build applications	23:55
@preaction	applications that make websites	23:55
@preaction	Thingy is one of those applications. and if crudified would be far more awesome	23:55
@preaction	well, Thingy is an app that builds apps that build websites	23:55
@preaction	the Crud will be used to make a Report, so you'll be able to look at a Thing's data in multiple ways	23:56
@preaction	and I want to make the report index itself somehow, so that it comes up in a site search (But that may be in WebGUI 8)	23:57
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CIA-38	WebGUI: Finish export code.	00:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: Make the list of assets templatable, since the user can see it.	00:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: Beginnings of export collateral tests.	00:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10416 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #10146: Thingy duplicate errors	01:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10417 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #10146: Thingy duplicate errors	01:24
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10418 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: exported keyword file tests	02:27
+perlDreamer	howdy, patspam	02:28
+patspam	greets perlDreamer	02:28
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, are you around/	03:07
+perlDreamer	and not busy?	03:07
@Haarg	yeah	03:09
+perlDreamer	you have about 15 minutes of time/	03:09
+perlDreamer	man, my shift key is slow tonight	03:09
@Haarg	sure	03:10
+perlDreamer	this is some debugged webgui.log output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6ab64afb	03:10
+perlDreamer	I've been working on the workflow0000007 bug	03:10
+perlDreamer	This is what i see in the log	03:10
+perlDreamer	something calls Operation::Cron, which creates a workflow instance	03:11
+perlDreamer	then something else calls it again	03:11
+perlDreamer	the workflow instance clashes	03:11
+perlDreamer	then spectre picks it up and finishes it	03:11
+perlDreamer	that pattern repeats and repeats through the logs	03:12
+perlDreamer	any ideas why Operation::Cron is being called twice?	03:12
+perlDreamer	btw, line 295 is www_runCronJob, which it creates the instance	03:12
+perlDreamer	(with all the debug code, the line numbers shift)	03:13
+perlDreamer	the cron data on the site is fine (no duplicate entries)	03:14
+perlDreamer	the time spec on the cron job is fine	03:14
+perlDreamer	*/5 for minutes	03:14
@Haarg	hmm	03:16
@preaction	perlDreamer: might I suggest running Apache through the Perl debugger to determine this? or perhaps using WebGUI::Test::getPage to run www_runCronjob?	03:20
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+perlDreamer	I thought about trying those things, preaction, but it seems like Spectre (rather than WebGUI) is the problem	03:21
+perlDreamer	it's making multiple calls to start cron jobs	03:21
+perlDreamer	well, it looks like that	03:21
@preaction	run spectre through perl -d then?	03:21
+perlDreamer	it's a live site	03:23
+perlDreamer	I can't take it down like that	03:23
+perlDreamer	maybe some spectre --debug is called for	03:23
@preaction	but it would just be spectre running through -d, no big deal	03:24
+perlDreamer	won't the debugger cause spectre to grind to a halt?	03:24
+perlDreamer	for single stepping and the like/	03:24
@preaction	yes, but it's just spectre	03:24
@preaction	i mean, tell the users what you're doing, but it's not vital to 90% of the operations of the site	03:25
* perlDreamer gets called for dinner		03:28
+perlDreamer	bbl	03:28
daviddelikat	I just upgraded to wre 9.0 and I'm getting this error from mysql http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4ca064dc	03:30
@Haarg	i don't see any errors	03:31
daviddelikat	wait thats not right...	03:31
daviddelikat	ok, now look.	03:31
daviddelikat	its tryiung to load plugin.frm...	03:32
daviddelikat	which dose not exist.	03:32
@preaction	uh.. you realize that 0.9.0 has a problem, and you want 0.9.2 right?	03:32
daviddelikat	before creating it as suggestd I wanted to see if any body knew what it was for	03:32
daviddelikat	I've got 9.1 so I need toi get the next one...	03:33
daviddelikat	than ks	03:33
daviddelikat	theres no 9.2 on sorceforge...	03:34
daviddelikat	preaction, where can I gt 0.9.2?	03:36
@preaction	okay, maybe 0.9.2 isn't out yet	03:37
@preaction	0.9.1 should be fine though	03:37
@preaction	there's an advisory about 0.9.0, it was pulled because the mysql doesn't work correctly	03:38
daviddelikat	do you know which version goes with Centos 5? I am supposing its RedHat 5	03:39
@preaction	probably, but i don't know	03:39
daviddelikat	well, I'll try it, it may be the problem...	03:39
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+Radix-wrk	So when are we adding oracle support to webgui? :)	03:46
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dhelsten	I need to get the Calendar List View working. It doesn't seem to respect permissions for each event, i.e. everyone sees all events even if restricted to a group. The other Month, Week, Day views work fine. Anythoughts on why List View would be different? The templates all seem to use the same variables.	04:02
@preaction	because the code is wrong	04:06
@preaction	you can fix it in the template temporarily though. do a <tmpl_if eventCanView>	04:06
dhelsten	Thanks. I'll try it out. I assume I should place it right before the event in the loop.	04:07
@preaction	right	04:11
dhelsten	hmm...nothing appears after <tmpl_if eventCanView> ie. it is always false. In the help page under event common template variables I don't see a canView variable (I understand that for the calendar, the word event is preappended.) Could it be that the eventCanView variable doesn't exist?	04:22
+perlDreamer	perhaps not in that template?	04:22
dhelsten	perhaps I should use one of the other month, week, day templates and just style it as a list. I'm guessing that would limit me to showing 1 month at a time?	04:24
@preaction	yes	04:24
@preaction	you could theoretically add the canView check to the code yourself	04:24
dhelsten	i.e. look for it in the other templates and insert it where it looks like it should go in the list templates.	04:25
dhelsten	Is this feasible?	04:26
* perlDreamer is thinking that preaction is suggesting that it be done in perl code		04:26
+perlDreamer	not HTML::Template code	04:26
@preaction	yes, perl code	04:26
dhelsten	understood	04:26
dhelsten	if it is fairly straightforward, I can use pattern recognition and figure it out.	04:26
dhelsten	Who knows I could learn a touch of perl too!	04:27
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dhelsten	I actually bought the Perl black book a few years ago when I thought I might really get into this.	04:28
dhelsten	Opened it once....	04:28
dhelsten	Is everything in the EventsCalendar.pm or are there separate files?	04:30
@preaction	EventsCalendar.pm is the old calendar	04:32
@preaction	you want lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm sub viewList	04:32
@preaction	look at viewDay for "$event->canView" and do that same thing in viewList	04:32
@preaction	should be something like "for my $event ( @events ) { \n next unless $event->canView; ..."	04:33
+perlDreamer	Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm	04:35
dhelsten	I'm looking at it now	04:35
dhelsten	for my $event (@events) {	04:45
dhelsten	next EVENT unless $event->canView(); <---This is the code it looks like I should add to ListView	04:45
+perlDreamer	EVENT: for my $event (@events) {	04:46
+perlDreamer	next EVENT unless $event->canView();	04:46
+perlDreamer	the label is important	04:46
+perlDreamer	EVENT:	04:46
dhelsten	EVENT:	04:47
dhelsten	Ok I added EVENT:	04:47
dhelsten	before the 'for' statement	04:48
dhelsten	anything else?	04:48
dhelsten	both day view and list view are then followed with a "my (......." different in each case	04:49
+perlDreamer	Haarg, preaction, I found it	04:53
+perlDreamer	sounds like a DNS issue	04:53
dhelsten	I did it. It worked. Thanks guys. This was really exciting to me. My heart was beating fast as I restarted the server and logged out!	04:56
@preaction	dhelsten: copy those lines of code to the bug report you made, and include the name you want the bugfix attributed to	05:04
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dhelsten	I already added it. I wrote the name of the file, the subroutine, the line number and the fix. Attributed to myself I guess.	05:08
+perlDreamer	so, dhelsten?	05:09
+perlDreamer	or D____ Helsten?	05:09
+perlDreamer	or a company name added in?	05:09
dhelsten	dhelsten is fine.	05:10
+perlDreamer	ah, the budding perl programmer is too modest	05:10
dhelsten	:)	05:10
dhelsten	Is there a standard way to mark Old code, New code, modified code, inserted code, etc?	05:11
+perlDreamer	usually, we use a program called diff to do that	05:13
+perlDreamer	the simple convention is - before Old code, and + before New code	05:13
+perlDreamer	inserted code gets a +, too	05:13
+perlDreamer	and modified code is remove old, and insert new	05:14
+perlDreamer	it's not a DNS problem	05:21
+perlDreamer	something bad is happening inside of spectre	05:21
+perlDreamer	like reference stomping, or something	05:21
dhelsten	Thanks. I'll leave my comment on the bug report as is. I'm sure they'll figure it out.	05:21
+perlDreamer	those bug fixers are pretty sharp	05:21
daviddelikat	yeah! I made it to wre 0.9.1!!!	05:23
daviddelikat	~never~ move the wre directory while the database is still running...	05:24
+perlDreamer	um, no	05:24
+perlDreamer	since the wre binaries are in there, too	05:24
+Radix-wrk	heh	05:24
+perlDreamer	and the dynamically loaded libraries	05:24
daviddelikat	t real problem is the pipe/socket which is in there...	05:25
daviddelikat	in fact it is probably never a good idea to move or copy the wre directory	05:26
daviddelikat	I'm not sure how the magic works with file/sockets but whatever it does having two identical sockets seems to be bad.	05:27
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dionak	anyone there?	06:01
dionak	ok, catch up with everyone tomorrow	06:03
+perlDreamer	yup	06:03
dionak	know any thing about Thingy? i'm trying to retrieve a file upload	06:04
dionak	via a sql report	06:04
+perlDreamer	I _think_ it's all done via storageObjects	06:05
+perlDreamer	which the SQL Report won't like	06:05
+perlDreamer	yup, that's how it's done	06:06
+perlDreamer	which means it'll require either javascript, or custom macros to pull the files out, outside of the Thingy	06:06
dionak	i'm writing a macro to do it but it's not liking it. no record in the asset table which i find odd	06:06
@preaction	it's not an asset, it's a storage location	06:06
dionak	oh	06:07
@preaction	in 7.6.x there's a StorageUrl macro	06:07
dionak	ah	06:07
dionak	ok, that makes sense. i could upgrade the site.	06:07
@preaction	which will work perfect for Thingy, since it should only allow you one file/image per storage location	06:07
@preaction	or just grab that one macro from 7.6.x	06:07
@preaction	it doesn't depend on anything really	06:07
dionak	oh, cool. i'll try that. thanks	06:07
dionak	so that would work with 7.5?	06:08
@preaction	it should	06:08
dionak	great. i'll try it	06:08
+perlDreamer	why not use Thingy's built-in search/lister?	06:08
@preaction	because there should be more ways of looking at the data	06:09
dionak	yes, agreed with preaction. I've got a sql report with a custom template already in place	06:09
dionak	it gives the layout and functionality that i need	06:09
dionak	works like a charm. thanks so much guys!	06:14
dionak	ok, gnite	06:18
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10419 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.4/root_import_survey_default-survey-edit.wgpkg: Removed flicker from Survey warnings div on page load	06:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10420 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added internationalized labels to Survey "Year Month" question type	06:24
* perlDreamer sniffs and sheds a tear		06:24
+perlDreamer	more i18n	06:24
+perlDreamer	patspam, you're good people	06:24
+patspam	hehe	06:24
+Radix-wrk	So I wonder when mysql is going to be renamed oracle light	06:25
* perlDreamer promised his wife that there'd be no more Oracle/MySQL doomsaying today		06:27
+perlDreamer	but since it's tomorrow in Australia...	06:27
* perlDreamer suggests we look into PostgreSQL		06:27
+perlDreamer	originally, it was dropped because of bad windows support	06:27
+perlDreamer	but nowadays, we don't support windows	06:27
+perlDreamer	so who cares?	06:27
+Radix-wrk	will be interesting to see what happens.. though as mysql has been open source surely there will be a fork	06:30
+Radix-wrk	I've got a mate who works on mysql, so will be keeping track of the changes that oracle makes and let u guys know	06:32
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10421 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Improved Survey "Year Month" validation	06:51
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CIA-38	WebGUI: Added Survey back button, with option to turn it on/off, tests, and i18n	10:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: Noticed that some Survey tests are broken, will fix tomorrow	10:24
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SquOnk	Hi	15:39
SquOnk	webgui 7.5.40 is officially in Debian Sid	15:40
+BartJol	hi!	15:40
SquOnk	...as of yesterday	15:40
+BartJol	we heard	15:40
SquOnk	I've begun the upgrade to 7.6.x	15:40
+BartJol	and are all enthousiastic about it	15:40
SquOnk	...it will be easier to get upgrades in now.	15:40
+BartJol	thanks!	15:40
SquOnk	A fellow developer is getting YUI 2.6 into Sid today or tomorrow, therefore allowing the uploads of my 7.6 packages	15:40
+Radix_	SquOnk: installed it last night.. haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but looks good :)	15:41
+BartJol	cool	15:41
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+crythias	Apache2::Request isn't in cpan ...	17:29
+crythias	sniff	17:29
SquOnk	crythias: It comes with mod_perl	17:37
+crythias	oh?	17:37
+crythias	but not apparently installed in the mod_perl that comes with SuSE 11.1	17:37
+crythias	I had to use my trick	17:38
SquOnk	crythias: Ah, well. I do aptitude install libapache2-mod-perl2 and that's it	17:38
SquOnk	Oh sorry, I lied	17:38
+crythias	I'm also installing the March 13 libapreq2	17:38
SquOnk	I have to do aptitude install libapache2-request-perl	17:39
SquOnk	It doesn't come with mod_perl2, my bad	17:39
+crythias	grr. now that I could have yast searched for	17:39
+crythias	no worries, though	17:39
+crythias	I'm not mad at you, just the naming conventions.	17:39
+crythias	also, can I just say that installing an operating system's worth of perl modules to get WebGUI up and running is ... well, a bit much?	17:40
SquOnk	crythias: Ahm, you should try Debian instead. There's a WebGUI package for Debian (7.5.40)	17:41
SquOnk	...with 7.6 Real Soon Now (tm)	17:41
+crythias	shh :) Don't tell me the obvious.	17:42
+crythias	besides, I'm quite happy knowing the tricks to get it up and running for SuSE	17:42
+crythias	I'm now installing from source on SuSE11 64 bit	17:43
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10423 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #10158: Matrix 2.0 - Screenshots rendering poorly	19:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10424 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #10158: Matrix 2.0 - Screenshots rendering poorly	20:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10425 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.20-7.6.21.pl: matrix upgrade script fix	20:43
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zylopfa_	Does anyone know how to put a default value of "" in a selectbox form field in webgui?	20:45
zylopfa_	my $categories = $self->session->db->buildHashRef('select id, caption from TFT_categories order by caption');	20:45
zylopfa_	is the options has	20:45
zylopfa_	but i need a default value of "" and caption "please select a category"	20:45
@preaction	zylopfa_: make a %categories Tie::IxHash, put your "" => "Please Select" first, then do $db->buildHash(...)	20:48
zylopfa_	thanks a lot preaction !	20:49
zylopfa_	The IxHash makes hashes have the correct sorting right?	20:50
zylopfa_	like the elements retain their place	20:50
@Haarg	with IxHash it will retain the order they were added in	20:53
zylopfa_	Thanks	20:54
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carogray1	streaming video on PlainBlack Servers?	00:35
carogray1	can one do it if hosted on PB?	00:35
carogray1	Is it simply as straightforward as uploading a file and linking to it, or is it more complicated?	00:35
daviddelikat	if you are streaming then you nead a streaming server as well	00:36
daviddelikat	streaming is not the same as downloading	00:36
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carogray1	yah - I know..	00:49
carogray1	we want to stream...is there a streaming server that allows you to stream 90 minutes of video? I believe YouTube has a 10 minute limit	00:49
carogray1	I am assuming PB doesn't offer a streaming server or the servers we get from PB do not provide streaming	00:50
daviddelikat	probably not, most hosting services wont	00:52
daviddelikat	you could search google for a host that does provide it	00:52
carogray1	k- ta.	00:52
daviddelikat	or lease your own server	00:52
carogray1	from?	00:52
carogray1	google it?	00:53
daviddelikat	yeah, there are lots of companies that lease raw servers	00:53
daviddelikat	they provide some backup services, but nothing else.	00:53
daviddelikat	you get remote console access and bandwidth.	00:54
carogray1	ok will look into it further this is what I thought, but couldn't find any basic info on PB site...	00:54
carogray1	thanks	00:54
daviddelikat	np	00:54
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@preaction	carogray1: there are other services, try Viddler maybe?	01:45
@preaction	or blip.tv	01:46
@preaction	viddler has a 500mb file size limit, with no limit on time.	01:47
@preaction	so if you can encode it below 500mb, they'll take whatever length	01:47
@preaction	carogray1: oh, i'm sorry, you're PB-hosted. you can ask support about uploading that file to your web host, and if you make it into a FLV yourself, you can stream it from your site no problem.	01:49
@preaction	but really, external, free services are the way to go. we might charge for the extra disk space used	01:49
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+perlDreamer	hey, guys	02:26
@preaction	hey colin	02:27
+perlDreamer	it is much nicer to be online, instead of in the attic	02:28
@preaction	i can imagine. the attic seems all musty and humid	02:28
+perlDreamer	hot	02:30
+perlDreamer	like 20 degrees above ambient	02:30
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Mech422	hey pd :-)	02:44
Mech422	why were you in the attic ?	02:45
+perlDreamer	I am the resident electrician for the perlDreamer home	02:53
+perlDreamer	there are 2 electrical projects which need to be done before the attic can be insulated	02:53
+perlDreamer	so I'm doing them now	02:53
+perlDreamer	everyone says that after it's insulated, it's much harder to move around	02:54
Mech422	I would imagine - it would probably be even hotter	02:57
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10426 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: Fixing my bad POD.	02:59
+perlDreamer	yeah, we realized that we were overdue for insulation after building the garage.	03:01
+perlDreamer	It's fully insulated, and during our early summer, it's easily 5 degrees cooler than the rest of the house.	03:01
Mech422	perlDreamer: I cant understand that about the west coast - everything is single pane windows and no/little insulation...	03:09
+perlDreamer	The house is from 1965.	03:09
+perlDreamer	with many recent updates	03:09
Mech422	growing up in New England (NH) and living in Arizona, you sorta think of that stuff as manditory	03:09
Mech422	yeah - the house ere is same vintage - and no insulation either...	03:10
@preaction	i live in wisconsin. my house has single-pane windows and no insulation. but it was built in 1920	03:10
Mech422	heh - the windows bug me more then the insulation - I never realized how LOUD the world is...	03:10
@preaction	eh, i just want to not spend $350 to heat 1200 sq. feet each month during the winter	03:11
Mech422	yeah - I can imagine up there that would be a big concern...	03:11
@preaction	or about the same amount to cool this place in summer. the upper here gets ungodly hot around 7pm	03:12
Mech422	NH was hell for heating bill	03:12
Mech422	its not too bad temp wise here except around 4am when its dam cold	03:13
Mech422	or in august when its just dam hot everywhere :-P	03:13
Mech422	another weird thin is seeing all the asbestos signs everywhere...	03:14
Mech422	I sorta thought all that stuff got removed years ago	03:14
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Mech422	anyway, watching doing pd ? running new circuits ?	03:16
+perlDreamer	today, relocating switches	03:18
+perlDreamer	during a remodel, we moved several doorways, leaving switches in awkward locations	03:18
+perlDreamer	so they're getting moved now, too	03:18
+perlDreamer	and then, splitting 1 big circuit into two smaller circuits	03:19
Mech422	moving a swithc I could do - running new circuits always scared me..	03:21
+perlDreamer	think of it this way	03:21
Mech422	too much 'fat finger' potential in the panel...	03:21
+perlDreamer	via code, you alter the path of electrons	03:21
+perlDreamer	this is just coding with a really bad language	03:21
Mech422	lo	03:22
Mech422	lol	03:22
* perlDreamer always wears thick leather gloves when near the panel		03:22
+perlDreamer	brb	03:22
@preaction	uh... you work on the panel with the power on?	03:24
@preaction	oh, capacitors	03:24
+perlDreamer	sure, why not?	03:27
+perlDreamer	I mean, aside from that whole electrocution thing	03:28
Mech422	so um - got some life insurance here...	03:28
Mech422	can give ya a really good rate too	03:29
+perlDreamer	dinner time!	03:34
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+perlDreamer	Ya bunch of square-toed tank town boobs!	04:13
+perlDreamer	anyone here familiar with exporting assets as HTML?	04:29
@preaction	kinda, why?	04:30
+perlDreamer	after exporting, if I tar up the export directory, and put it into a DocumentRoot dir for apache, I should be able to see everything that exported?	04:30
@preaction	that is the idea, yes	04:30
+perlDreamer	then let's see if I'm really done with the Story Manager, then	04:31
@preaction	provided you've set up your extras folder accordingly	04:31
@preaction	i think that's part of the export procedure, is setting the extras URL or something	04:31
+perlDreamer	I'll watch for that	04:31
+perlDreamer	right after I mow the lawns	04:31
+perlDreamer	read Harry Potter to the kids	04:32
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+perlDreamer	floss their teeth	04:32
+perlDreamer	sigh	04:32
deafferret	kids' teeth just fall out anyway :p	04:33
+perlDreamer	grass grows, too...	04:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10427 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tag cloud urls in export mode	04:44
+patspam	idea of the day...	05:15
+patspam	an option in the template edit screen to show a graphical diff of the template against any other template of that namespace	05:16
+patspam	that would make it easier for designers to track changes between their copied templates and the defaults after wg updates	05:16
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@preaction	patspam: sounds nice	05:34
@preaction	i was thinking along those same lines, but for previous versions of that template	05:34
@preaction	especially when in version tags	05:34
@preaction	some way to compare changes in assets. we don't currently have a good way to do that	05:34
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+perlDreamer	patspam++	06:18
+perlDreamer	except that I think we rollup versions on upgrades	06:18
@preaction	we should make templates html:tidy themselves	06:25
@preaction	easier to see diffs	06:25
+patspam	that'd be awesome	06:25
+perlDreamer	would users be unhappy about having their formatting removed?	06:26
nuba	most certainly	06:27
+perlDreamer	users and nuba, that is	06:27
@preaction	have it be an option. unlike the syntax checking	06:27
@preaction	but we're going to also have a "minifier" that will not be optional, we'll just save both the minned and the original	06:27
+perlDreamer	what does the minifier do?	06:29
@preaction	removes extra spaces and useless stuff to make it smaller	06:29
@preaction	for faster transmission	06:30
+patspam	and improved yslow score	06:35
+perlDreamer	ah, kind of like yui/build/component/component-min.js	06:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10428 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs):	06:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: Updated Survey Edit validation warnings to use more standardized	06:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: wgWarnings CSS class	06:43
+patspam	template diff RFE submitted: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10237	06:47
+perlDreamer	could we use the same differ that SVN::Web does?	06:49
+perlDreamer	it formats diffs as HTML	06:49
+patspam	I wonder if SVN::Web uses SVN::Notify::HTML::ColorDiff?	06:51
+patspam	that's written by the same guy who wrote Text::Diff::HTML	06:51
CIA-38	wgdev: Patrick Donelan survey * r7c0b7c3 / lib/WGDev/Command/Survey.pm : Added new option to Survey command to set defaults on YesNo questions - http://bit.ly/de21r	07:07
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10429 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add feed support to StoryTopic.	08:11
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10430 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs):	08:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: Survey bug fixes: Verbatim responses now properly recorded	08:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: Added useText option to responseValuesByVariableName so that it can be	08:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: used for both branch expressions and [[var]] text substitution correctly	08:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: Added extra verbatim handling to [[var]] text substitution	08:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: All survey test now pass, except for one involving True/False	08:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: multi-chocie bundle, soon to be fixed by updating bundle	08:25
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10431 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs):	10:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: Added Survey meta-targets NEXT_SECTION and END_SURVEY to allow for more	10:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: convenient jumping	10:29
CIA-38	WebGUI: Improved processGotoExpression tests	10:29
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daviddelikat	perlDreamer: are you working on bug 10189 http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189?	18:57
+perlDreamer	I have done some work into it, yes.	18:57
+perlDreamer	but only as I have time	18:57
+perlDreamer	If you want it, it's all yours :)	18:57
+perlDreamer	did the last little bit that I posted make sense?	18:58
daviddelikat	I cant say that I ~want~ it	18:58
daviddelikat	I would appretiate any input you might have about it.	18:58
daviddelikat	JT asked me to work on it...	18:58
+perlDreamer	well, for 1 site that I looked at with this issue	18:59
+perlDreamer	they had not configured Apache correctly	18:59
+perlDreamer	so that if you looked at site.com, you got the site	18:59
+perlDreamer	but if you looked at site.com:8081 (mod_perl port, which spectre uses)	18:59
+perlDreamer	it returned ANOTHER site	18:59
+perlDreamer	so when spectre started, it was loading cron data for two different sites into 1 site	19:00
+perlDreamer	then spectre would start to process the duplicate data	19:00
+perlDreamer	and you would get lots of singletonWorkflow clashes	19:00
+perlDreamer	while this is not 10189 directly, I think it is related	19:01
daviddelikat	thanks	19:01
daviddelikat	thats a lot to think about.....	19:02
+perlDreamer	the weird thing about 10189 is the empty currentActivityId entry in the db	19:02
* perlDreamer can't figure out how to make that happen		19:03
daviddelikat	perhaps it is empty because of another failure	19:03
daviddelikat	for instance an id on one of the dup'd rows that matches in the ~other~ site...	19:03
daviddelikat	I'll be reading code....	19:04
+perlDreamer	On that site that I mentioned, they accidently didn't set up log file rotation	19:04
+perlDreamer	so I was able to review 1 month's worth of log	19:04
+perlDreamer	no logged errors	19:04
+perlDreamer	(regarding sendingQueuedEmail messages)	19:04
daviddelikat	yeah but there are lots of things that happen in WG that don't get logged.	19:05
+perlDreamer	true	19:05
+perlDreamer	which is a shame	19:05
+perlDreamer	I have some more spectre diagnostics to commit to the 7.7 branch	19:05
daviddelikat	can we make a test to see that the two ports render the same site?	19:06
+perlDreamer	we can make a test to see if the JSON data returned is the same as the site that was requested	19:06
+perlDreamer	but due to WebGUI's configurability for sitenames, it might be challenging to write	19:07
+perlDreamer	it would take some thinking	19:07
daviddelikat	yeah sounds like it	19:08
daviddelikat	what is supposed to be at the 8081 port?	19:09
+perlDreamer	isn't that the mod_perl port for the WRE?	19:09
+perlDreamer	so port 80 goes through mod_proxy	19:10
+perlDreamer	and mod_perl goes through another one?	19:10
daviddelikat	idk	19:10
@Haarg	yes	19:10
daviddelikat	its only visible from localhost	19:11
daviddelikat	that is why i did not see anything	19:11
daviddelikat	very messy in 'links'	19:12
+perlDreamer	time for attic crawling	19:13
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'm going to try to merge back into 7.7 before the release tomorrow	19:14
ckotil	I'm prepping for an upgrade from 7.5.32	19:25
ckotil	should I go for 7.6.19 ?	19:25
ckotil	ill give 7.6.20 a go on the dev server	19:30
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ckotil	doh. fails when adding sortOrder row. for 7.5.40. bc it already exists in my instance. since i hacked it in there	19:42
ckotil	err column. i guess i can remove sortOder from my table before performing the upgrade	19:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10432 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.21 release	19:44
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ckotil	upgrade to 7.5.40 worked just fine. but when i tried to go to 7.6.20 it fails looking for Clone.pm	20:07
ckotil	ah, cpan had Clone.pm	20:12
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Mech422	blaglgle	21:47
Mech422	perlDreamer: so how goes operation attic ?	21:47
+perlDreamer	phase two is done, Mech422	22:04
ckotil	hrm, upgrade is failing at 7.5.40-7.6.10. Upgrading WebGUI Account System... Can't call method "getAllUsers" on an undefined value at upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl line 854.	22:06
+perlDreamer	ckotil, can you restore to 7.5.40?	22:16
+perlDreamer	I think what you've found is a legit bug	22:16
ckotil	certainly	22:16
ckotil	i think it might have to do with the friend grouping	22:16
+perlDreamer	that is a message with a groupId that looks like it's been deleted	22:16
+perlDreamer	(deleted from the group table)	22:16
ckotil	by looking at the upgrade script, the step right above where it fails does not get printed to STDOUT	22:17
ckotil	its the fixFriendsGruops	22:17
ckotil	well that might might not be what's failing. there isn't a print statement confirming success or fail	22:18
+perlDreamer	no, it's trying to call getAllUsers on a group that doesn't exist	22:19
+perlDreamer	inside upgradeAccountSystem	22:20
ckotil	ah right.	22:20
* perlDreamer is guessing that a message was sent to a group, then that group was deleted		22:20
+perlDreamer	deleting the group doesn't clean up the inbox	22:21
+perlDreamer	thus leaving a potential hole	22:21
* perlDreamer goes running		22:21
+perlDreamer	Given that I spent 2 hours in the attic, I'm not sure why I'm doing this	22:21
ckotil	ok. can we query the db to see what inboxes exist that od not have a corresponding group (or user)	22:22
ckotil	hrm, cant find any inboxes where the groupId is null or missing	22:25
Mech422	perlDreamer: and what was phase 2 ? the switch and circuit split ?	22:31
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Mech422	Hmm - I turned on 'password recovery' in the admin->settings->authentication panel - should it show a "I forgot my password" link somewhere now ?	22:43
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--- Day changed Thu Apr 23 2009
+perlDreamer	phase2 was finish demolition, and pulling wires to all locations	00:06
+perlDreamer	phase 3 is connecting wires to fixtures and switches and testing	00:06
+perlDreamer	phase 4 is finishing fixtures	00:06
Mech422	ahh - so if my lights go out tommorrow, I know why ? :-)	00:07
+perlDreamer	yes :)	00:07
+perlDreamer	I blew the entire Western grid	00:07
Mech422	LOL	00:10
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10435 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): administer.js now has a much improved handling of the slider algorithm, plus some refactored code. Users will not notice anything.	01:15
+perlDreamer	Mech422: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/ZHLk6RrnqL4/article.pl	01:20
+perlDreamer	apparently electricity isn't the only problem	01:20
+perlDreamer	worse, you could lose your bits!	01:21
Mech422	oh shit - thats just down the street from here	01:26
+perlDreamer	when an asset is exported, and it has collateral, do you think the collateral should go into the asset's parent's folder (in parallel with the asset), or into a private folder just for the asset?	01:26
+perlDreamer	think on that, everyone, then I'll check back after phase 3	01:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10436 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Removed commented code	01:31
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+perlDreamer	up to phase 2.99	03:48
+perlDreamer	I seem to developed an allergy to old insulation and gypsum dust	03:48
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@preaction	not surprising	04:06
+perlDreamer	phase 3 is complete, time to move on to phase 4	04:18
@preaction	???	04:19
@preaction	then phase 5: Profit!	04:19
+Radix-wrk	I think phase 5 was: moan over the cost of all this	04:20
Mech422	umm - stupid question - but if I enabled 'password recovery' - is there supposed to be a password recovery link some where ?	04:22
Mech422	or do you have to do the login-fail-error page thing to get to it ?	04:22
@preaction	Mech422: does it show up when you fail to login?	04:22
+Radix-wrk	only if it's in the page layout.. otherwise yeah.. when you fail	04:23
Mech422	I just want to put a link to it in on the front page	04:23
@preaction	i believe you want the ^LoginBox macro then	04:25
@preaction	check how Style 03 does it	04:25
Mech422	yeah - I used that but it didn't have a 'I forgot my password' type thing - so Iwanted to add it	04:25
Mech422	along with that...	04:25
Mech422	I'd like to make a login 'box' that end users can move around via the interface	04:26
+Radix-wrk	it's just a link to ?op=auth;method=recoverPassword	04:26
@preaction	so a snippet inside of a page layout?	04:26
+Radix-wrk	So add it wherever you like on your page	04:26
Mech422	am I correct in assuming that should be a Wobject ? and is there a need for Assets any more or have WObject bassically replaced them ?	04:26
Mech422	Radix-wrk: thats what I need :-)	04:26
@preaction	Mech422: you can make a snippet that contains the form and then use Page Layouts to move it around	04:27
Mech422	Radix-wrk: thanks :-)	04:27
+Radix-wrk	np	04:27
@preaction	there is an article in the wiki about the differences between Asset and Wobject, but in short:	04:27
@preaction	wobject does more for you, asset allows you more flexibility	04:27
Mech422	preaction: that seems a bit more difficult for the users though right? they can't drag-n-drog- etc with a layout based solution ?	04:27
@preaction	asset, for example, doesn't use style templates	04:27
@preaction	uh.. Page Layouts are all about drag-and-drop content	04:27
@preaction	make it a "Package" they can deploy	04:28
Mech422	I created a page layout for this template- and its all html - I can't reposition stuff via the interface ?	04:28
@preaction	one sec, ill show you what i mean	04:28
Mech422	thanks	04:28
@preaction	hm... beta demo site is sloooowwwwwwwwww	04:30
Mech422	well say - using a macro...	04:30
Mech422	that requires the user to edit the template, move the macro etc etc	04:31
@preaction	just wait and watch, i'll show you something fun	04:31
Mech422	as opposed to just 're-ordering' assets in ... ok	04:31
@preaction	one very important thing about snippets, make sure that snippets with macros in them have their cache timeout set to 0	04:34
* preaction always forgets		04:34
@preaction	Mech422: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1240450115_515/home <- Admin : 123qwe	04:35
@preaction	see on the far right in the main body? Turn admin on and move that snippet around	04:35
+Radix-wrk	snippets are awesome	04:35
+Radix-wrk	I have loads of nested snippets..	04:35
@preaction	also, look in the New Content menu, i've made it a "Package", which puts it in the Packages section of the new content menu	04:35
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+Radix-wrk	whenever we do a software release we have to update about 10 different pages with the new version number, new download links, release notes, different versions, etc..	04:36
Mech422	crashed konqueror ?	04:36
Mech422	firing up FF	04:36
+Radix-wrk	so I've created a nested hierarchy of snippets that do it all for me.. I just change one small snippet with the version number and all of them update automagically	04:36
Mech422	ok - so I need to read more about snippets...	04:40
Mech422	I missed that that they were assets in their own right - I thought of them more as macros that just got used 'inside' assets..	04:40
@preaction	Mech422: feel free to export that package for your own use, or do whatever. also the ^L() macro in that snippet is how the Style 03 adds the "Forgot your password" link	04:40
Mech422	oh - maybe ^L() can take a parm or something to do it then - I'll look at the style 03 stuff	04:42
@preaction	I think it's more likely the template	04:43
+Radix-wrk	yeah.. you can use a param for the login box and supply your own style template	04:44
Mech422	thanks - this is exactly what I want to do	04:45
+Radix-wrk	I use ^L("17","","5eyOp9cnS5UEfbc1lX7aCA"); on mine	04:53
+Radix-wrk	I forget what the parameters are.. but it's documented somewhere I'm sure	04:54
+Radix-wrk	last one is asset id of the style template.. I know that much	04:54
@preaction	the Macro Guide available for $10 in the bazaar would probably help with what parameters are what	04:59
Mech422	there's actually a page I found in hte wiki that has a _loongg_ list of them...	05:01
+Radix-wrk	it used to be in the inbuilt help :(	05:03
Mech422	btw - its world plone day today	05:05
Mech422	no-one showed up here yet, so we're going home :-P	05:06
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+perlDreamer	world plone day?	06:31
+perlDreamer	there's a day just for plone?	06:31
+Radix-wrk	sounds like noone showed up	06:45
+Radix-wrk	So when's world webgui day?	06:46
+perlDreamer	everyday is world webgui day	07:20
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+SynQ	scan JT smith	10:05
+SynQ	want to push 0.9.2 forward today	10:05
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CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10437 /wrebuild/readme.txt: added prereqs for debian compile	10:39
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10438 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Update from translation server	10:54
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CIA-38	WebGUI: martin * r10439 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ (TaxDriver/Generic.t TaxDriver Tax.t): More Tax tests	14:00
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zylopfa	Does anyone know how to insert the value new() into a datetime field using setCollateral?	14:53
zylopfa	It seems that it is inserting the litteral string "new()" instead	14:53
zylopfa	$self->setCollateral("TFT_whereuheard","id",{heard=>$props{'heard'},date=>'now()',},0,0,"");	14:53
zylopfa	i mean the litteral now()	14:54
+bartjol	sorry zylopfa, can't help you right now	14:57
+bartjol	too busy	14:57
zylopfa	no problem i just use the datetime class from webgui to make a mysqldatetime and insert it like that	14:57
zylopfa	its the same but its just webgui calculating the time instead of mysql	14:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10440 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server	14:59
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@plainhao	zylopfa, try this: $self->session->datetime->time()	16:40
zylopfa	I got it already figure ;D but thanks a lot	16:40
@plainhao	ok	16:40
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topsub	hey guys	17:06
topsub	i am running upgrade.pl and when its upgrading the database its trying to add columns that already exist and it dies. Its trying to go from 7.5.40 - 7.6.10. Any ideas how to get it to skip the databases changes if the columns already exist?	17:07
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10442 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server	17:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10443 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_AdSku.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server	17:28
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zylopfa	Is there a default template variable for seeing if the user is logged in?	17:35
zylopfa	I need something like this <tmpl_if user.IsVisitor> someting here </tmpl_if>	17:35
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ckotil	topsub: heh, i had the same problem yesterday	17:49
ckotil	since it was my dev instance i dropped the column before running the upgrade script	17:49
ckotil	which worked	17:49
ckotil	on the production , ill probably modify the table to be the same as what the upgrade script creates	17:50
ckotil	but then after i fixed that problem , the upgrade script died at 'Upgrading WebGUI Account System... Can't call method "getAllUsers" on an undefined value at upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl line 854.	17:51
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topsub	has anyone seen when you setup a new site and nothing shows up in the asset manager?	18:21
topsub	like no asset are shown or anything	18:22
@Haarg	no assets or the entire data table is gone?	18:35
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10444 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): clean up remains of WSClient	19:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10445 /WebGUI/www/extras/assetToolbar/assetToolbar.js: prevent tripping slow script warnings when viewing large folders	19:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10446 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: enable workflow helper operation	19:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10447 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/ (3 files): restore original user when running workflows	19:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10448 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: log asset exports	19:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10449 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ (TaxDriver/Generic.t Tax.t): fixing lib paths on some tests	19:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10450 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (PayDriver.pm TaxDriver.pm): some POD fixes	19:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10451 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix syntax and help issues	19:40
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wgGuest88	hi everybody	00:09
@Haarg	greetings	00:09
wgGuest88	can i ask you a small question about wre install, or it may not be the rioght location for that	00:09
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wgGuest88	how would you explain when starting mod-perl service it says 500 error : can't connect to localhost:8081 connection refused	00:11
wgGuest88	this is just after having got the auto;ated setup, then site added	00:12
wgGuest88	i guess it is a foldewr priviledge related, but i have no clue actually	00:12
wgGuest88	any ideas?	00:12
wgGuest88	i checked the wiki, and no reference to that	00:13
@Haarg	where are you getting that error?	00:14
wgGuest88	wre is 0.9.1 rhel5 package (on a mandriva install)	00:14
wgGuest88	i am getting thius error while clicking on the "restart" button for ;od_perl	00:15
wgGuest88	mod_perl	00:15
wgGuest88	if i try to make from cli: wget localhost:8081 on the host, i get failed:connection refused	00:17
wgGuest88	same with resolved ip: 127.0.0.1	00:17
@Haarg	have you checked the error log?	00:17
wgGuest88	yep. it says:	00:18
wgGuest88	a/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm line 33.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm line 33.\nCompilation failed in require	00:18
wgGuest88	oops sorry..	00:19
wgGuest88	[error] Can't load Perl file: /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl for server ASte-Genev-Bois-153-1-33-189.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr:0, exiting...	00:19
wgGuest88	the server ;entionned is the last isp hop on wegui host side (detected as spctre subnet/32) during wreconsole setup	00:20
wgGuest88	if you want you can try a ssh connection to fnetutigroup.fr.dyndns.org :)	00:22
wgGuest88	fnetutigroup-fr.dyndns.org sorry	00:23
wgGuest88	??	00:27
@Haarg	you did an upgrade you said?	00:30
wgGuest88	no install fro; scratch	00:30
wgGuest88	always did everything as root	00:31
@Haarg	can you paste more of that error using pastebin?	00:31
@Haarg	it's unable to load parts of the code it seems	00:31
wgGuest88	I had to chmod /data/wre/var/mysqldata folder to webgui in order for it to start correctly	00:31
@Haarg	which could easily be a problem with a prerequisite	00:31
@Haarg	in which case you may be able to solve it by cd /data/WebGUI/sbin && /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl testEnvironment.pl	00:32
wgGuest88	you mean the modperl error log?	00:32
wgGuest88	oh.. you mean every ;odule checked by testEnvironmet.pl should be ok? I thought wre install aim was to avoid to get from cpan repository and compile all these modules	00:34
@Haarg	yes, more of the modperl error log	00:34
@Haarg	that is the purpose of the wre, but a prerequisite problem would be the most likely cause of an error like you pasted	00:35
@Haarg	i'd have to see more of the error to be certain though	00:35
wgGuest88	oki	00:35
wgGuest88	[Thu Apr 23 22:45:09 2009] [error] Can't load '/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so' for module Image::Magick: libgomp.so.1: Ne peut ouvrir le fichier d'objet partag\xc3\xa9: Aucun fichier o	00:36
wgGuest88	oops	00:36
@Haarg	you need to install the libgomp rpm	00:39
wgGuest88	see pastebin on http://fr.sourcepod.com/uslxie60-217	00:40
@Haarg	that's all libgomp related	00:41
wgGuest88	ok installing rpms from mandriva ;irror	00:42
wgGuest88	strange enough in the "wre installation" wiki aerticle there s no netion of any such prerequisites	00:43
wgGuest88	you did it :) mod_perl started.	00:44
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wgGuest88	I must say I am quite impressed	00:44
wgGuest88	thank you very much	00:45
@Haarg	the docs/install.txt does mention it btw	00:47
@Haarg	should probably be added to the wiki though	00:48
wgGuest88	erf.. must admit didn't read install.txt file... typically french behaviour :)	00:50
@Haarg	i'm pretty sure that's universal behavior	00:52
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+perlDreamer	Mech422, I trust that your electricity is fine today?	01:18
Mech422	lol	01:36
Mech422	yes sir - 100% grade A flying electrons :-)	01:36
+perlDreamer	excellent	01:38
* perlDreamer must make other plans for ruining the western power grid		01:38
Mech422	I trust the attic of perlDreamer, Inc is not in flames ?	01:38
+perlDreamer	neither attic nor clothes	01:38
Mech422	ahh - bonus!	01:39
Mech422	now for the trifeca: did you hit your thumb with the hammer ?	01:39
+perlDreamer	no, not damage to the metacarpals was incurred	01:39
Mech422	sweet! your golden! congratulations on a job well done :-)	01:40
Mech422	I usually mangle at least 1 digit	01:40
+perlDreamer	it just took 24 man hours to accomplish from beginning to end	01:40
Mech422	wow - not bad :-) especially when you had to crawl around in the attic	01:42
Mech422	so yesterday was world plone day...	01:43
Mech422	and donna found this on one of the twitters she follows:	01:44
Mech422	"Today is World Plone Day! Please give generously to Django, so that we can find a cure for Plone!"	01:44
+perlDreamer	ha!	01:44
Mech422	I thought it was rather cute :-)	01:44
+perlDreamer	if they don't want to give to Django, I'd be happy to accept contributions on behalf of WebGUI :)	01:45
Mech422	Heh	01:45
Mech422	we had coffee and cupcakes - but no-one showed for the demo's	01:46
+perlDreamer	let's see, we need a writing POD fund, a buy developers drinks at the WUC fund, a bug fixing fund	01:46
+perlDreamer	that's a bummer	01:46
Mech422	poor advertising, poor timing - poor planning	01:46
Mech422	same ole same ole	01:46
+perlDreamer	maybe next year	01:46
Mech422	yeah - donna was sorta bummed out about it	01:46
+perlDreamer	I think the closest thing we have is the WUC	01:47
+perlDreamer	but it's very localized	01:47
+perlDreamer	in Madison, Wisconsin	01:47
Mech422	yeah - plone does a lot of 'sprints' ...	01:47
Mech422	which are generally all over the place - mostly europe	01:47
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Mech422	the 'namespace' for a _template_ is simply its location right?	02:28
Mech422	so the 'Macro/L_loginBox ' namespace would simply be in the L_loginBox folder ?	02:28
Mech422	Hmm - but then, you can't bundle stuff for a 'product' or 'theme' into 1 folder?	02:30
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+perlDreamer	no, template location and namespace are different	02:50
+perlDreamer	that way, you _can_ bundle everything for an asset into 1 folder so it can be exported	02:50
Mech422	perlDreamer: ah - so how do you assign a namespace to a template?	02:54
+perlDreamer	via the API, or the UI?	02:54
Mech422	umm - UI?	02:55
+perlDreamer	good answer	02:55
+perlDreamer	when you create a new template, it will let you choose the namespace	02:55
+perlDreamer	once the namespace has been set, it cannot be changed through the UI	02:55
+perlDreamer	most people start making new templates by copying existing ones and then modifying the copies	02:56
Mech422	right - thats what I did...	02:56
+perlDreamer	the namespace will be displayed as a read-only in the properties tab	02:56
+perlDreamer	excuse me, it's the Meta tab	02:57
+perlDreamer	not the properties tab	02:57
Mech422	ahh - found it	02:58
+perlDreamer	inching closer	03:12
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10454 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (5 files in 3 dirs):	03:13
CIA-38	WebGUI: Remove subclass exportHtml_view in favor of a session scratch variable for telling	03:13
CIA-38	WebGUI: when the asset is being exported. Keyword files are exported into a private directory	03:13
CIA-38	WebGUI: to prevent filename collisions.	03:13
Mech422	oh crap...	03:14
Mech422	perl thinks single and double quotes mean diff. things right ? like 'C' ?	03:14
+perlDreamer	Mech422, kind of	03:15
+perlDreamer	"c" eq 'C'	03:15
+perlDreamer	but	03:15
+perlDreamer	"\n" ne '\n'	03:15
Mech422	I'm having trouble with ^L() ...	03:15
+perlDreamer	give us a 1-line paste, Mech422	03:15
daviddelikat	and dont forget "$x" ne '$x'	03:15
Mech422	it works until I try to pass it an asset id	03:15
+perlDreamer	you don't need quotes unless it contains commas	03:15
Mech422	^L(20,"Click %it%","PBtmpl0000000000000044");	03:16
+perlDreamer	yup, lose the quotes	03:16
+perlDreamer	it will be fine	03:16
Mech422	thats just using the PB default template to make sure I have the syntax right	03:16
Mech422	I just added the double quotes - it was all single quotes before	03:17
Mech422	neither way seems to work	03:17
+perlDreamer	ah, that's not perl, that's WebGUI	03:17
+perlDreamer	well, if you wish, after dinner I can take a look at it with you	03:17
Mech422	nah dude - you had a busy day with all the electrical stuff	03:17
Mech422	I shall best this thru age and trechery!! and sheer will power!!	03:18
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat can also help. He is quite skilled at perl and WebGUI	03:18
+perlDreamer	just watch out for yer thumbs, dude	03:18
* perlDreamer heads off to dinner		03:18
Mech422	I'm also thinking I might need to update - we had a pre-release version installed	03:18
daviddelikat	eat hardy	03:18
Mech422	lol - thanks :-)	03:18
daviddelikat	Mech422: have you tried it without any quotes?	03:18
Mech422	umm - I didn't think of that...	03:19
daviddelikat	PD mentioned earlier, you only need quotes if you need to embed a coma in your text.	03:19
Mech422	oh fer cryin out loud..	03:20
Mech422	no quotes seems to work	03:20
Mech422	let me try with my template	03:20
daviddelikat	good. i like an easy solution	03:20
Mech422	btw - my asset id's look like: 5UnuFXgz3-O9qZpJ2Bz-wQ is that normal and pb just makes 'pretty' ids for their stuff ?	03:22
daviddelikat	yeah, typical asset ids are generated by UUID module	03:23
daviddelikat	WG ids are generated by humans	03:23
Mech422	well, that 'fixed' it... though it blows the principal of least surprise all to hell	03:23
daviddelikat	surprise?	03:24
Mech422	putting a string, in string quotes, in a parm that takes a string causes an error ?	03:24
daviddelikat	yes that is a bit of a surprise	03:24
Mech422	I thought maybe I was using the 'wrong' quotes - like in 'c'...	03:25
Mech422	but _no_ quotes isn't something I would have thought of	03:25
daviddelikat	i understand, I'm not sure what the code is doing there, but it seems goofy...	03:25
daviddelikat	probably just a split(',',...)	03:26
daviddelikat	brb	03:26
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+perlDreamer	it's a bit more complex than split	05:04
+perlDreamer	and Haarg, I am _NOT_ going to make the merge tonight	05:05
+perlDreamer	there's only about 10 brain cells working tonight	05:05
+perlDreamer	way too dangerous for me to merge and merge back in this state	05:05
+perlDreamer	so please don't hold the 7.7.4 release on me	05:05
+perlDreamer	if you	05:05
+perlDreamer	were	05:05
@Haarg	not holding it on you	05:05
@Haarg	a bunch of failing tests though	05:06
+perlDreamer	which ones?	05:06
@Haarg	been dealing with a bunch of other things though, so it wasn't priority earlier	05:06
@Haarg	tax stuff	05:06
+perlDreamer	oy	05:06
@Haarg	some other stuff as well	05:06
@Haarg	it's nice we have the test suite and all but it's getting more frustrating that nobody seems to run them	05:10
+perlDreamer	I agree, which makes it all the more ironic when I forget to run it :)	05:10
+perlDreamer	I know at one point we talked through passing tests as a pre-commit hook	05:11
+perlDreamer	but it wasn't a popular idea	05:11
@Haarg	i don't think a pre-commit hook is a good idea	05:11
@Haarg	but i do need to get automated testing worked out	05:11
@Haarg	for every revesion	05:11
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10455 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: Set the scratch variable for the main asset as well.	05:11
+perlDreamer	preaction has smokebot, but it's broken currently	05:12
@Haarg	if nothing else, try to shame people into doing better	05:12
+perlDreamer	and Mech422 has offered us a VM for automated testing several times	05:12
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@Haarg	preaction has a server we could use	05:12
@Haarg	and i have a spare computer i could stick at the office to it as well	05:13
+perlDreamer	oh, it's not smokebot, it's botaction that I'm thinking of	05:13
@Haarg	software is the harder part to get worked out	05:13
@Haarg	i started working on something, but it's a bit of work and it would be nicer if i could find something pre-made to do most of it	05:14
+perlDreamer	smolder?	05:14
@Haarg	something like that yes	05:14
@Haarg	i haven't gotten back to it for a while though	05:15
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, if you are in the mood for helping with tests, you could look at t/POD.t. a few things uncovered.	05:21
+perlDreamer	I'm on it	05:21
+perlDreamer	so, are publicly shaming people, or privately first?	05:23
@Haarg	publicly is fine with me	05:23
@Haarg	i need to start posting on the dev list every time i find a broken test	05:23
+perlDreamer	I'm adding crud_definition to the list of private subroutines that don't need POD	05:28
@Haarg	sounds good	05:28
+perlDreamer	I pulled crud_definition from that list	05:36
+perlDreamer	it doesn't work well with CRUD modules	05:36
+perlDreamer	which only contain a crud_definition	05:36
+perlDreamer	could be a Pod::Coverage bug	05:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10456 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetCollateral/Sku/ (Ad/Ad.pm ThingyRecord/Record.pm): Add missing POD from new SKU based collateral modules.	05:40
+perlDreamer	3/4 POD broken modules fixed	05:40
+perlDreamer	Shop/TaxDriver/EU.pm is going to take a bit	05:40
+perlDreamer	it has NO POD at all	05:40
+perlDreamer	Haarg, do _all_ files need the legal notice?	05:53
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10457 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ThingFieldsList.pm: Add missing POD for the new ThingFieldsList form handler.	05:54
+perlDreamer	I'm guessing that they do, but I've looked at 3 Shop modules, and they don't have it	05:56
+perlDreamer	I'll build a separate test for that later	05:56
@Haarg	yeah, i think they are all supposed to have it	05:58
+perlDreamer	I'll fix it in every one I come across, and then build a test to find the rest, later	05:58
@Haarg	i noticed the same in a few shop modules when i was fixing some other test earlier	05:58
+perlDreamer	this is funny. The EU tax driver needs i18n	06:01
@Haarg	heh	06:01
@Haarg	there are some i18n/help failures due to some of the i18n labels getting moved	06:02
+perlDreamer	is that related to the Layout changes I made, or more Tax related stuff?	06:02
@Haarg	tax	06:06
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+perlDreamer	it's hard to blame people for not running the i18n label scanner. It's so slow	06:20
+perlDreamer	POD is 100% passing now	06:20
@Haarg	cool, thanks	06:20
+perlDreamer	do you have another one?	06:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add missing POD and legal statements for many Shop modules.	06:24
@Haarg	well	06:31
@Haarg	there is t/Asset/Sku.t and t/Shop/Tax.t	06:32
@Haarg	i'm looking at a failing survey test	06:32
+perlDreamer	I'll start with Sku.t	06:32
+perlDreamer	tax overrides have been moved into a JSON blob	06:36
+perlDreamer	the failing test is out of date	06:36
+perlDreamer	are you handling the missing Help variables?	06:38
@Haarg	not so far	06:38
+perlDreamer	okay, I'll get the two in Asset_Sku	06:38
+perlDreamer	they are related to the tax override test	06:39
@Haarg	i don't love the survey issue. seems like the values recorded for true/false got switched accidentally	06:40
@Haarg	so i can change the data or change the test	06:41
+perlDreamer	you mean false is 1 and true is 0?	06:41
@Haarg	yes	06:41
+perlDreamer	patspam: ping	06:41
+patspam	ahoy!	06:42
+patspam	just back from lunch	06:42
+perlDreamer	do you know anything about the survey true/false values being swapped?	06:42
+patspam	yes	06:42
+perlDreamer	the test for that is failing now	06:43
+patspam	yes	06:43
+perlDreamer	so the test should be updated?	06:43
+patspam	no	06:43
+perlDreamer	or the code is wrong?	06:43
@Haarg	it's in a database table now	06:43
@Haarg	not in code	06:43
+patspam	the defaults for the True/False questionType need to be fixed	06:43
+patspam	yeah, which are in the Survey_questionTypes table	06:43
+patspam	I think kaleb is fixing it	06:44
+patspam	or i can if it needs to be fixed asap	06:44
+patspam	are you about to do a release?	06:44
+perlDreamer	I think we're on the release path	06:44
+patspam	ah ok	06:44
@Haarg	yeah	06:44
+patspam	it's a very minor bug, I wouldn't mind changing the .t for now	06:45
@Haarg	if that's not the correct fix i don't want to do it	06:45
+patspam	ok, I'll write an upgrade script now	06:46
+patspam	t-2mins	06:46
+perlDreamer	Shop/Tax.t is passing	06:47
+perlDreamer	uh, Asset/Sku.t is passing	06:47
+perlDreamer	I'll look at Shop/Tax.t next	06:47
+perlDreamer	this is much more fun than crawling in my attic	06:48
+perlDreamer	and much easier on my bones	06:48
@Haarg	maybe someone fixed it and i didn't notice	06:48
+perlDreamer	um, not yet	06:48
+patspam	survey fix is committed	06:51
+patspam	all survey tests pass now	06:51
+perlDreamer	Shop/Tax.t is passing	06:54
+perlDreamer	I had to add back the code for the exception throwing when not passing a session to a class method	06:54
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10459 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku.pm Help/Asset_Sku.pm i18n/English/Asset_Sku.pm): Finish cleaning up after the move of getTaxRate from the Sku to the TaxDriver.	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10460 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Handle automatically cleaning up users at the end of a test.	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10461 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku.t:	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: remove tests for the old, removed, getTaxRate method which was	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: moved into Shop/TaxDriver	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10462 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: Added another Survey ResponseJSON test	06:55
+perlDreamer	brb, have to look at a wonky washing machine	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10463 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl:	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fixed bug with Survey True/False multi-choice bundle defaults so that	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: tests pass	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10464 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: Update the keyword URL callback to the correct method.	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10465 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t):	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add back code for throwing exceptions when session is not passed	06:55
CIA-38	WebGUI: to class methods.	06:55
+perlDreamer	Haarg, if you want to pass on another test, let me know and I'll backlog	06:55
@Haarg	i think that's everything actually	06:56
+perlDreamer	sweet!	06:59
+perlDreamer	I've been sitting on a prototype fix for the Widget. It _seems_ like it's working, but it could use a review by anyone who is more familiar with it.	07:00
+perlDreamer	is that you, preaction, khenn, rizen?	07:00
+perlDreamer	the Widget bug is that assetIds do not make good javascript variable names	07:01
+perlDreamer	so I just used the hex value of the assetId instead	07:01
+perlDreamer	and, like I said, it _seems_ to be working	07:10
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10466 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.7.4 release	07:24
+perlDreamer	well, I'm not making any more progress on StoryManager tonight	07:54
+perlDreamer	time for sleep	07:54
+perlDreamer	good night all :)	07:54
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CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10467 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.4-beta: Release 7.7.4-beta	10:24
xdanger	7.6.21 is already in svn and builds, but no news about it. When are you making the release?	10:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10468 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.7.5 dev	10:39
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zylopfa	Is there a way i can get an asset to show in another view than the default?	11:07
zylopfa	I have made an asset to manage some stories but i want it to show in another view (www function) as standard on some pages	11:08
+BartJol	you want to assign another template?	11:09
zylopfa	no i have a template	11:09
zylopfa	I have different www functions in the wobject	11:09
zylopfa	one for adding stories, which is the main view	11:09
zylopfa	but i also want one for showing stories	11:10
zylopfa	which is the view i want as default on other pages	11:10
+BartJol	ah	11:10
+BartJol	so story X is added, edited and stored on 1 page. And you want to show the content on another page	11:11
zylopfa	indeed	11:11
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zylopfa	so the asset have a whole other view/function on another page	11:12
+BartJol	sorry, I have to upgrade a site	11:13
+BartJol	bbs	11:13
zylopfa	ok	11:13
+BartJol	and I'm back	11:17
+BartJol	mmm, my first attempt would be to look at a sql report	11:18
zylopfa	ahh thanks	11:19
+BartJol	maybe that's not the nicest way to go	11:19
zylopfa	naa wait	11:20
zylopfa	I wont do it	11:20
zylopfa	I need the wobject to be a complete story management object	11:20
+BartJol	ah	11:20
zylopfa	so i need to be able to set the default view pr. page basis	11:20
+BartJol	ok, an assetproxy won't work	11:20
zylopfa	i think i saw how somewhere but just dont remember where	11:20
zylopfa	I could make it into several wobjects but that seems to defeat the purpose of making 1 wobject to do it all	11:21
+BartJol	maybe a shortcut	11:21
+BartJol	testing	11:22
+BartJol	mmm, my computer is getting the fears it seems	11:24
+BartJol	testing on another machine	11:24
zylopfa	ha thanks :D	11:25
+BartJol	well, you have to look into that, but as far as I can see it looks to serve your desires pretty well	11:27
zylopfa	awesome	11:28
zylopfa	I have this page /members/stories	11:28
+BartJol	I know I am :)	11:28
zylopfa	where i want this thuing to be	11:28
zylopfa	so i can do this /members/stories/?func=viewStory;id=12331	11:28
zylopfa	so the story view will be shown	11:28
zylopfa	and it should use the layout of the parant	11:29
+BartJol	so just a single story, or more like an anchor?	11:31
zylopfa	a single story	11:32
zylopfa	but the pagelayout will still encapsulate it	11:33
+BartJol	the latter isn't the problem I think\	11:33
+BartJol	did you create a new wobject for this?	11:33
+BartJol	it probably depends on the setup	11:34
+BartJol	in a collaboration system, posts are also asstes/wobjectas	11:34
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zylopfa	yeah i created a new object from scratch	11:37
+BartJol	ah well, tell me about it :)	11:37
zylopfa	I have created it now as a shortcut	11:37
zylopfa	but it dont care about the parameters i put to it in the url	11:38
zylopfa	its like it ignores it	11:38
+BartJol	ah	11:38
+BartJol	well	11:39
zylopfa	so it present the default view but dont care about ?func=showStory	11:39
+BartJol	you need those to be handled by a url handler prolly	11:39
zylopfa	auch but normally the wobjects respond to the url	11:39
+BartJol	well, but a ?func url is probably passed on, since that url handler exists	11:40
+BartJol	and not recognised	11:40
+BartJol	do you get an error from it?	11:40
zylopfa	no i have that func in my wobject	11:41
zylopfa	a www function	11:41
+BartJol	ah	11:41
+BartJol	mmm, I should read more docs for that	11:41
zylopfa	Thanks a lot for help so far :D	11:47
zylopfa	BartJol, I figured it out, i redesigned my wobject like thingy and made the view() function be a kind of dispatch function	12:43
zylopfa	and the definition of the wobject has a "Default View" option that lets you set it	12:43
+BartJol	cool	12:45
+BartJol	is that wobject coming into WebGUI?	12:45
zylopfa	It might be, it i make it universal enough	12:47
zylopfa	if	12:47
+BartJol	yeah as a partial replacement for the collaboration system,	12:49
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SynQ1	hi there	16:54
+Radix_	hey koen	17:08
SynQ1	it works!	17:08
SynQ1	it really does	17:09
SynQ1	I have succesfully compiled WRE 0.9.2	17:09
SynQ1	on debian etch	17:09
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+Radix_	why not just apt-get install webgui?	17:10
+Radix_	(turn on sid/unstable first tho ;)	17:10
SynQ1	uh huh	17:10
+Radix_	not as nice as the wre tho imho, but still pretty cool	17:10
SynQ1	pretty cool indeed	17:10
CIA-38	WebGUI: koen * r10469 /wrebuild/readme.txt: grapviz not needed for debian install, in fact it will not work if you have it installed.	17:13
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10470 /translations/German/German/ (3 files): Update from translation server	17:27
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slickware1	hey all... I don't see anything in the support forums about this - but I have a user with an Events Calendar where the edit & delete buttons seem to only refresh the page rather than editing/deleting any selected event	19:14
slickware1	how do I find out if this is a bug or just me	19:14
+perlDreamer	look for an error in the log file	19:14
slickware1	can't - shared host (plainblack)	19:14
+perlDreamer	hm	19:14
+perlDreamer	in the admin console, turn on debug mode, and limit it to just your IP	19:15
+perlDreamer	that way you're not exposing all your users to debug mode	19:15
slickware1	where is that exactly - i've never bothered to use debug	19:15
+perlDreamer	In the Admin Console, in Settings	19:15
@Haarg	what site is this?	19:15
slickware1	www.stonehamchamber.org is the site, haarg	19:15
slickware1	debug enabled for my IP - shows nothing ?	19:17
+perlDreamer	it's possible that the log level is set too low, but not likely	19:18
@Haarg	have you just tried to reproduce this then?	19:20
@Haarg	and what does the URL look like after clicking the link?	19:20
slickware1	stonehamchamber.org/home/chamber--community-events-calendar2/untitled2/spl-vacation-free-event3?noCache=386:1240588333?func=edit	19:20
slickware1	it says edit, but no editor comes up (and I am logged in as admin)	19:21
+perlDreamer	there's a bug filed about this, already	19:21
slickware1	happens on every event i've tried, and multiple users	19:21
+perlDreamer	with noCache turned on, editing Events won't work	19:21
+perlDreamer	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/10238	19:21
@Haarg	hmm	19:21
slickware1	ah.	19:21
slickware1	is there any harm in turning off nocache?	19:21
+perlDreamer	why did you turn it on?	19:21
slickware1	I didn't realize I did :)	19:21
+perlDreamer	well, in that case... ;)	19:22
slickware1	what does it do? and don't say it doesn't cache...	19:22
+perlDreamer	it generates random URL fragments that prevents proxies from caching the page	19:22
slickware1	ok	19:22
+perlDreamer	everytime you click, the noCache=blahBlahBlah changes	19:22
slickware1	gotcha	19:23
@Haarg	you could adjust the template to fix it as well	19:23
slickware1	brilliant - nocache fixed it	19:24
+perlDreamer	no nocache fixed it	19:24
slickware1	or, cache fixed it ?	19:25
+perlDreamer	:)	19:25
slickware1	so how has everyone here been	19:26
slickware1	I have unfortunately been splitting my time between this cms and joomla and it's like owning 2 cars	19:26
slickware1	one fiat and one porsche	19:26
+perlDreamer	do we dare ask which one is which?	19:27
slickware1	actually, make the fiat a ford	19:27
slickware1	there's millions of parts for it, but they all suck :)	19:27
@Haarg	hrm, that's annoying. Event overwrites the url template variable so it uses getUrl instead of just being get('url').	19:27
@Haarg	so you can't fix the problem in the template easily	19:28
slickware1	I wouldn't be able to fix anything in the template, easily	19:28
slickware1	that's why I host it with PB... so I don't have to think anymore than necessary!	19:29
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zylopfa	ahah nice	19:57
zylopfa	damn he logged	19:57
zylopfa	perlDreamer, you tried joomla?	19:58
+perlDreamer	nope	19:58
zylopfa	me neither	19:58
* perlDreamer is a perl and WebGUI bigot		19:58
ckotil	i used it about 3 years ago	19:58
zylopfa	how is it?	19:58
ckotil	i got forced into supporting it	19:58
zylopfa	I know its the hype of cms	19:58
ckotil	its ok. decent support. big user base	19:58
zylopfa	all i know none techies always ask "is webgui like joomla"	19:58
zylopfa	when i tell them i work with cms	19:58
ckotil	but its php . so you run into all sorts of wierd errors that confuse the hell out of you	19:58
zylopfa	then i get fucking angry	19:58
zylopfa	ckotil, yeah	19:59
zylopfa	php is perl on tanquilizers	19:59
zylopfa	thats how i always seen php	19:59
zylopfa	I started with perl for 10 years ago	19:59
zylopfa	when php wasnt much	19:59
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10471 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Asset.t: Check what happens with URLS with an initial dot in them	20:10
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10472 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): getKeywordStaticURL function, with tests.	20:10
+perlDreamer	Haarg, to merge in an entire branch, one does svn merge -r start_of_branch:end_of_branch branch_url ?	20:20
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10473 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (108 files in 44 dirs): Merge with HEAD, 10472	20:25
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, that looks basically right, but i haven't done merging with svn for quite some time	21:12
+perlDreamer	it works okay	21:13
+perlDreamer	once the critic_labels test is finished, I'm merging in	21:13
+perlDreamer	not too bad of a process, just takes a while	21:13
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, StoryManager is merged in, and all tests are running clean on my end	21:38
@Haarg	nice	21:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10474 /WebGUI/ (31 files in 17 dirs):	21:42
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add in StoryManager, 3 assets for managing news content in WebGUI.	21:42
CIA-38	WebGUI: Several small API changes to Keyword and AssetExportHtml to support StoryManager functionality.	21:42
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10475 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm AssetExportHtml.pm): Do not set the exporting scratch variable in places where it is not needed.	22:25
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10477 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): RssFeed aspect tests, more to follow.	01:28
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+perlmonkey2	Anyone have any ideas on how to make ajax calls work when debug mode is turned on?	02:03
+perlmonkey2	it harshes my json.	02:04
+perlmonkey2	Hmm, this is more than a Survey issue. Looks like it breaks Thingy too. I bet any ajax call expecting JSON is broken.	02:09
+perlDreamer	this is the same problem that I had with the Account	02:10
+perlmonkey2	Need a way for the initial request handler to specify this is an ajax call and either not append debug info or append it as a json object.	02:10
* perlDreamer votes for not appendind debug to JSON output		02:10
+perlDreamer	well, if I get a vote, that is	02:11
+perlDreamer	I checked in the StoryManager today, perlmonkey2	02:11
+perlmonkey2	yeah, that would be easiest. And I'm not sure about Session::ErrorHandler taking json, turning it back into perl so it can append debug info, then converting back to json. I know in debug mode, speed isn't a big deal, but that sounds painful.	02:11
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: how cool is it?	02:12
+perlDreamer	way cool	02:12
+perlDreamer	massively tested	02:12
+perlmonkey2	wow	02:12
+perlDreamer	very robust	02:12
+perlmonkey2	let me up/revert and give it a whorl :D	02:12
+perlDreamer	might be WebGUI's first trimodal asset	02:12
+perlmonkey2	trimodal?	02:13
+perlmonkey2	that is pretty multi	02:13
+perlDreamer	three modes	02:13
+perlDreamer	all using pieces of the same code	02:13
+perlDreamer	very DRY	02:14
+perlDreamer	instead of building out www_search, and www_keyword and www_view, it detects which mode it is in and does the right thing	02:14
+perlmonkey2	heh, nice	02:14
+perlDreamer	and the template generation is busted out, so you can test it, and subclass it	02:15
+perlmonkey2	eh?	02:15
+perlmonkey2	interesting	02:15
+perlmonkey2	so first create and archive, then topics for it?	02:16
+perlDreamer	yes.	02:16
+perlDreamer	topics are just fixed keyword based accesses into the set of stories	02:16
+perlmonkey2	Hmm, wouldn't let me create a topic	02:17
+perlDreamer	you're a bad man	02:18
+perlmonkey2	Didn't use Articles.	02:18
+perlDreamer	so you created a StoryArchive, then tried to create a StoryTopic, and it wouldn't let you?	02:19
+perlmonkey2	right	02:20
+perlDreamer	where did you try to create the topic?	02:20
+perlmonkey2	but then I went back to the home page and I could create it there.	02:20
+perlDreamer	right	02:20
+perlmonkey2	probably tried to create it as a child of the archive	02:20
+perlDreamer	you can only add Stories to an Archive	02:20
+perlmonkey2	makes sense	02:20
+perlmonkey2	so I didn't tell the topic which archive to use	02:20
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+perlDreamer	doesn't matter	02:21
+perlmonkey2	does a topic pull from every archive	02:21
+perlDreamer	it will look at all of them	02:21
+perlDreamer	maybe the Admin Console should look at $session->asset and only let you add things that the asset permits	02:21
+perlmonkey2	I'm not sure I understand the topic. It is a site wide view into all Archives, no matter their content?	02:22
+perlDreamer	right, because it only cares about the keyword content of the Stories	02:22
+perlmonkey2	I didn't see any place in the topic to filter by	02:23
+perlmonkey2	ah	02:23
+perlmonkey2	my bad	02:23
+perlmonkey2	if the keywords are blank, you get all the stories	02:23
+perlmonkey2	very sweet	02:23
+perlDreamer	thanks :)	02:29
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: ah, what did you mean by the templating being busted out and subclassable. I don't say a templating class.	02:40
+perlDreamer	template variables are busted out	02:41
+perlDreamer	and the sub that makes them is subclassable	02:41
+perlDreamer	not templates	02:41
+perlDreamer	I mistyped (badly)	02:41
+perlDreamer	it's called viewTemplateVariables	02:41
+perlmonkey2	yeah, I was looking at that sub. But how is a sub subclassable?	02:42
+perlmonkey2	I thought you could only subclass classes?	02:43
+perlmonkey2	either way, very nice and clean looking code.	02:44
+perlDreamer	if you wanted a StoryARchive that also had RDF feeds, for example	02:44
+perlDreamer	you could make it a subclass of StoryArchive	02:44
+perlDreamer	inside MyStoryArchive you call SUPER->viewTemplateVariables	02:44
+perlDreamer	and then modify what it returns	02:45
+perlDreamer	and return the modified set of template variables	02:45
+perlmonkey2	ic	02:45
+perlDreamer	let's just hope that it works as well as it looks :)	02:45
+perlmonkey2	just read in dev that webgui 9 will be on perl 6. At least someday we'll have sane comprehendable OO :P	02:52
nuba	maybe something like a "webgoose" can happen before that	02:58
nuba	like catalyst's catamoose effort by mst	02:59
nuba	led by*, i think	02:59
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10479 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Many more RssAspect tests.	03:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10480 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a bug where the calendar will list all events, regardless of permissions.	03:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10481 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting event calendar permissions fix	03:41
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10482 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added correct mime type for json returns which were missing it.	08:10
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10483 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm t/HTML.t): Fix a bug where html2text dropped the last word. Added tests.	08:54
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10484 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Add back in other bug fix to the changelog.	08:54
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10485 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm t/HTML.t docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Backporting html2text fix.	08:54
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10486 /translations/RedNeck/RedNeck/ (23 files): Update from translation server	10:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10487 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm: Fix a syntax warning re shift.	18:14
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10488 /translations/German/German/Account_Shop.pm: Update from translation server	01:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10489 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server	01:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10490 /translations/German/German/Asset_UserList.pm: Update from translation server	01:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10491 /translations/German/German/Asset_ThingyRecord.pm: Update from translation server	01:42
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10492 /translations/Swedish/Swedish/ (8 files): Update from translation server	03:57
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10493 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs):	06:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fix bad angle bracket handling in messageIds in Main/Send.pm	06:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: Extend Mail/Send.t to test messageId generation.	06:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10494 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting messageId fix for Mail/Send with tests.	06:16
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10495 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a bug where changing fieldTypes in the userProfileField did not update the database field types.	07:11
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10496 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting profileField fieldType fix.	07:11
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10497 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm: Fix syntax warning in HTML.pm, html2text.	07:26
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10498 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10499 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server	12:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10500 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server	13:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10501 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server	13:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10502 /translations/German/German/Asset_Subscription.pm: Update from translation server	13:33
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10503 /translations/German/German/Asset_Subscription.pm: Update from translation server	13:57
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10504 /translations/German/German/Asset_FlatDiscount.pm: Update from translation server	17:30
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10505 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Subscription.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10506 /translations/German/German/Tax.pm: Update from translation server	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10507 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Update from translation server	17:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10508 /translations/German/German/Workflow_Activity_ExpirePurchasedThingyRecords.pm: Update from translation server	18:12
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10509 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	18:27
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+perlDreamer	hey, tavisto	21:02
+perlDreamer	how was ad-tech?	21:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10510 /translations/German/German/Asset_Donation.pm: Update from translation server	23:55
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10511 /translations/German/German/Asset_Subscription.pm: Update from translation server	00:10
+perlDreamer	somebody is translating WebGUI into German	00:23
+perlDreamer	and doing a ton of work on it	00:23
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10512 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Shop.pm PayDriver.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server	00:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10513 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	00:54
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10514 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_Cash.pm: Update from translation server	00:54
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10515 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt):	02:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fix a bug in the paginator where it was doing a numeric comparison on the SQL errorNum	02:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: rather than a definedness check, according to the docs.	02:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10516 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm):	02:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: Forward porting SQL Report/Paginator errorNum fix. errorNum is undefined for	02:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: no errors.	02:24
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10517 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fix a bug in the default search dates in the Gallery Advanced Search form.	02:39
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10518 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Forward porting date fix for gallery advanced search.	02:39
+perlDreamer	it's pretty quiet today, patspam	02:43
+perlDreamer	just us virus laden americans and a bunch of lurkers	02:44
+patspam	well it is sunday for you guys right?	02:45
+patspam	you're allowed one day off a week :)	02:45
+perlDreamer	I didn't work very much last week, I was crawling inside of the attic	02:45
+perlDreamer	so I'm trying to make up some time	02:45
+patspam	storymanager keeping you busy?	02:46
+perlDreamer	Finished it on Friday	02:46
+perlDreamer	Wife is keeping me busy	02:46
+perlDreamer	there are definite advantages to buying a new house	02:46
+perlDreamer	like not remodeling it for the next 10 years	02:46
+patspam	ah congrats on finishing it!	02:47
+perlDreamer	thanks :)	02:47
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+perlDreamer	now it's in the hands of the designers, so we'll see what they do to beautify it	02:53
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+perlDreamer	time to be a dad, back in 20	06:23
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CIA-38	webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r99ccfa8 / (9 files in 3 dirs): Removed WebGUI::Crypt code from flux branch - http://bit.ly/yyB4t	11:42
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CIA-38	webgui: Patrick Donelan crypt * r123f563 / (4 files in 4 dirs):	11:42
CIA-38	webgui: Added skeleton for new Crypt implementation, including:	11:42
CIA-38	webgui: *) sbin/installCrypt.pl utility install script	11:42
CIA-38	webgui: *) Crypt content handler	11:42
CIA-38	webgui: *) Crypt admin console page	11:42
CIA-38	webgui: *) cryptEnabled setting	11:42
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CIA-38	webgui: *) i18n - http://bit.ly/18mQfy	11:42
CIA-38	webgui: Patrick Donelan crypt * rb64418d / (lib/WebGUI/Crypt/Admin.pm lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Crypt.pm): Minor refactoring to crypt Admin Console - http://bit.ly/3Y10aQ	11:42
CIA-38	webgui: Patrick Donelan crypt * rea75d1f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Added list of Crypt Providers to Admin Console - http://bit.ly/ALo6X	11:42
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10521 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t:	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Change ResponseJSON to use a proper mutator for startTime.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add tests for startTime.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Survey uses the accessor, and no longer needs to manually set startTime.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10522 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t:	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Tests for createSurveyOrder and shuffle.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: POD for several methods.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10523 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t:	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add tests for nextSectionid, nextSection, currentSection.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add more POD to ResponseJSON	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10524 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): matrix bug fixes	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10525 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matrix compare screen bugfix	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10526 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t:	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: nextQuestions tests.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add POD, and make sure that answers returned by nextQuestions are safe refs.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10527 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm:	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add POD stubs, fully document goto.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Prevent recordResponses from autovivifying mcHash keys. From page to page of	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: questions it does not matter, but if two questions in the same page have an	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: unrecognized, type, the second will be processed differently from the first.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10528 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: goto tests.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10529 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: recordResponse tests (just a few)	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fix a bug where if a section is terminal, and has no questions, it did not return the terminal flag as true.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: A little recordResponse POD.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10530 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Flesh out the recordResponses POD. Almost ready for more in depth testing.	12:27
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10531 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add a mutator for questionsAnswered, with tests.	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: Correct POD for recordResponses.	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: Begin recordResponses answer processing tests.	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10532 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (survey_rfe_9202.wgpkg lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm):	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: Implemented Survey Jump-to combo box (#9202)	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: You will need to manually import survey_rfe_9202 until this branch is	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: merged back into trunk.	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10533 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.7/stockdatatmpl000000001.wgpkg: i18n one of the two stock data templates	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10534 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Implemented Survey branching expressions (#9233). Woot!	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10535 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: Forward port WGBP SQLReport definition sub.	12:28
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10536 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm:	12:28
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CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10541 /Too many paths: (log message trimmed)	14:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: Merge branch 'flux_pre_dcommit' into flux	14:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: * flux_pre_dcommit: (835 commits)	14:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: Removed WebGUI::Crypt code from flux branch	14:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: Release 7.7.4-beta	14:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: preparing for 7.7.4 release	14:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add back code for throwing exceptions when session is not passed	14:24
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zylopfa	Anyone aware of problems with the Profile system, that it wont use the style defined in the Settings	14:48
zylopfa	here i mean the page style	14:48
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10542 /translations/German/German/ (AuthWebGUI.pm Account_User.pm Asset_Thingy.pm): Update from translation server	16:06
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zylopfa	Anyone know if the paginator takes all the results into its dataset?	17:07
zylopfa	If it does its not so good with queries that return maybe 1000 records	17:08
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+perlmonkey2	preaction: ping	17:14
+perlmonkey2	rizen: you there?	17:14
zylopfa	Anyone know about the paginator?	17:14
@rizen	perlmonkey2: yup	17:15
zylopfa	I have seen a problem in it, in the UserList wobject	17:15
zylopfa	I have 10.000 users on my site and it seems it loads all the userdata into the paginator	17:15
zylopfa	this is not so good	17:15
zylopfa	I thought it only loaded the data 1 page at a time	17:16
zylopfa	instead of holding the data for all pages in memory	17:16
zylopfa	Ok I read the manual but then something is wrong with the UserList wobject	17:20
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zylopfa	Does anyone know what template variable "show message on login" will be accessible from?	19:41
xdanger	Why is the text from my i18n files coming "double utf8" after I updated from 7.4 -> 7.6? every � that comes from i18n is ä	19:41
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10543 /translations/Finnish/ (184 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	19:45
@preaction	zylopfa: none. it's a seperate screen	19:46
zylopfa	got it!	19:46
zylopfa	I found out, just had to write 1 in number of times it should be shown	19:46
zylopfa	it had 0 as default along with an option to make it show	19:46
zylopfa	preaction, its a pretty good idea	19:47
zylopfa	you can use it for a guide to new users on your site	19:47
@preaction	with a horrible execution (and i'm the one who did it)	19:47
zylopfa	what do you mean preaction ?	19:48
@preaction	you could do the same with a special group and a workflow	19:48
@preaction	the entire thing is hacked together and able to be reproduced using existing features	19:48
zylopfa	sweet :D	19:48
zylopfa	You dont sound so happy about it	19:48
zylopfa	preaction, I am also gonna ask you something in adminconsole=>settings=>account	19:49
zylopfa	you can choose the style template for profile for example	19:50
zylopfa	But it seems it use the default page style instead of the one you say there	19:51
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@preaction	what page? each account plugin can have its own style template, and there are other pages that use the "User Function Style" under the UI or Content tab (i forget which)	19:57
+perlDreamer	preaction: any thoughts on whether or not we need to scan the userProfileData table to see if current column defs match fieldTypes?	20:01
xdanger	Ouh yeah.... Is there a way to automagically merge i18n files? in a "smart way"?	20:01
@preaction	perlDreamer: i don't know, but it might be a good idea to at least warn the admin that something is amiss	20:02
@preaction	xdanger: there is in theory, but i don't know if anyone wrote the tool to do it	20:03
+perlDreamer	would SVN work for merging i18n files?	20:04
xdanger	too bad. Just realized that my translations have stuff that i18n.webgui.org doesn't have and the other way around... Which is wierd since I provided the first packages for that	20:04
+perlDreamer	They're kept in SVN on the i18n server	20:04
xdanger	yeah, but that's a lot of work to do by hand	20:05
xdanger	I'll have a look anyway, maybe mine are just a little bit different	20:06
+perlDreamer	so maybe a tool that walks all the hash keys and checks lastUpdated for each one?	20:06
@preaction	that's what i was thinking	20:06
+perlDreamer	of course, they all install into the same namespace, so it'd be a bit more complex than that	20:07
carogray	any body working on or using PB hosted servers here?	20:07
carogray	know if email thing is fixed?	20:07
carogray	hi - sorry - a bit frantic at work today.	20:07
@preaction	carogray: which website are you on?	20:09
@preaction	i can do the Super Special Preaction Poke-a-roo that will make Spectre send mail again for a little while	20:10
carogray	the MLRI ones - my really important one is MassLegalHelp.org, but Neighborhoodlaw.org is probablyhaving problems to.	20:10
carogray	too	20:10
carogray	Preaction: you are a PB person?	20:11
@preaction	okay, they're all on the same server	20:11
@preaction	yes. all of the +o people are (a little icon next to my name)	20:11
carogray	ii don't see +0 I see a gold star that looks as though you have some sort of military medal:-/	20:12
@preaction	yeah, that	20:12
@preaction	though really to get support you should ask the support boards. do you have phone support? i'm not sure if that comes with a dedicated box or not	20:12
carogray	well, did you know that PB people are supposed to be fixing this bug? but it keeps happening, should I just keep coming to you all and asking you to poke the server until it gets fixed	20:12
@preaction	also, i did the poke and i'll add the cronjob that will poke it automatically	20:13
carogray	no phone support, only forum support - on the boards, but have been having this problem for about 5-6 weeks now so v. worried and have been going back and forth with David on it, but he told me 2 people were working on it 10? days ago	20:13
@preaction	yeah, it's been an ongoing problem for a while. plainblack.com has had this problem for a very long time, but only now is it starting to affect other sites	20:14
@preaction	i added the auto-poker, so until the bug is fixed you shouldn't have the problem	20:15
carogray	oh phew thanks!	20:15
carogray	thanks so much.	20:15
carogray	may I ask your 'real' name?	20:15
@preaction	i'm Doug	20:16
@preaction	right now there are 1655 messages in the queue for www.masslegalhelp.org, so give it a little while to send. ask support to follow up in an hour or two to see how everything's going	20:17
carogray	ah yes- doug the calendar man? thanks so much for doing this, will nudge support via the board? to check up in an hour or two.	20:23
carogray	ta	20:23
@preaction	yeah	20:26
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+perlDreamer	preaction++ (much better than +0)	21:10
+perlDreamer	brb	21:23
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10544 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Add gotcha notice about profile field column types.	21:49
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10545 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/gotcha.txt: Backport profile field gotcha notice.	21:49
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10546 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Fix bad Event URL template variables.	21:49
@Haarg	perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/102648	21:50
+perlDreamer	thanks, Haarg. I'll add the patch and see if it passes the existing test suite	21:51
@Haarg	yeah, i haven't tested it	21:51
@Haarg	think that looks better though?	21:52
+perlDreamer	definitely	21:52
+perlDreamer	less copy/paste	21:53
+perlDreamer	I'm just really happy that we have that aspect now	21:54
+perlDreamer	it's going to make the Syndicated Content asset much more useful	21:54
+perlDreamer	for example, no more custom SQL queries for latest posts if we don't want it	21:54
+perlDreamer	just use RSS and mix all of them together	21:54
+perlDreamer	yay, closed 7 bugs	21:56
+perlDreamer	he have a total of 76 open bugs right now	21:56
Mech422	perlDreamer: and how is project 'Electricity' coming ?	22:08
* perlDreamer has lots of war wounds		22:08
+perlDreamer	but the grid has survived	22:08
+perlDreamer	I have heard about this Swine Flu thing going around, but it's organic so I claim no responsibility	22:08
Mech422	perlDreamer: a programmer responsible for a mutant virus? nah...couldn't be...	22:11
+perlDreamer	Haarg, you and I need to watch each other's back and hold each other to the highest standard of programming conduct	22:14
+perlDreamer	which means I'm going to POD those private methods for you :)	22:14
@Haarg	do we usually do that?	22:15
@Haarg	they should definitely be documented which i neglected to do	22:15
+perlDreamer	with get*FeedUrl being bimodal w.r.t export, should the standalone Static methods be marked as deprecated?	22:16
@Haarg	i'm not sure. they were part of the spec, and there may be a reason to access that when not exporting.	22:16
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+perlDreamer	good point	22:20
+perlDreamer	with get*FeedUrl being bimodal, it also fixes the head block link bug with that aspect, too	22:20
+perlDreamer	nice work!	22:20
@Haarg	yeah	22:20
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10547 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Backporting event URL template fix.	22:23
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+perlDreamer	hey, tavisto!	22:27
@tavisto	howdy	22:29
+perlDreamer	Peter and Tim wanted me to pass on the iPhone lightsaber app to you.	22:29
+perlDreamer	so that you can deflect rizen's force lightning bolts when necessary	22:30
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@tavisto	hehe nice!	22:36
@tavisto	yeah I've known about that one for some time. I think JT downloaded that awhile back too	22:36
@tavisto	have your boys acquired a super-monkey-ball device (aka iphone) yet? :)	22:37
dreamersgirl	not yet	22:37
dreamersgirl	one of our friends at church entertains them regularly with his iphone, though	22:38
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10548 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	22:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fix HEAD link issues with RssFeed with exporting.	22:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: Refactor the module so that getting the feed url will return	22:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: the static URL when exporting.	22:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10549 /WebGUI/t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t: Add tests for the export mode get*FeedUrl.	22:50
+perlDreamer	no one is going to go through the hassle of doing UPS shipping	22:51
+perlDreamer	I've been filling out web forms to get a development license for 10 minutes, and I'm STILL not done	22:52
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dreamersgirl	bopbop, you awake? :)	23:05
+perlDreamer	make that 30 minutes	23:19
+perlDreamer	grrr	23:19
@preaction	grrr!	23:21
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+perlDreamer	bbl, lunch break	23:37
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10550 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm: Reverting patch for Account/Friends.	00:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10551 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm: reverting Account/Friends patch.	00:00
CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10552 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Fixed a bug in the YUI simple editor for survey editing which was leaking memory. Also improved the object edit templates.	00:00
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+perlDreamer	Is there someone with a dev box and the WRE willing to run a test for so that I can close out a bug?	01:20
+perlDreamer	you'd need HEAD branch of SVN	01:20
@preaction	one sec	01:22
+perlDreamer	I just committed the tests, so be sure to update	01:22
@preaction	which test?	01:23
@preaction	ooh you committed the story manager? noice	01:23
+perlDreamer	yes, on Friday	01:25
+perlDreamer	please crawl and critique	01:25
+perlDreamer	uh, except for the interface, which is known to be ugly	01:25
* perlDreamer is waiting for the designers to address that issue		01:25
+perlDreamer	then I'm going to look at what they did, and learn	01:26
@preaction	yeah, our designers are geniuses	01:26
+perlDreamer	they're not as good as the devs, but they're close	01:26
@preaction	which test?	01:28
+perlDreamer	t/Search.t	01:29
+perlDreamer	it has regex wildcards in it	01:29
@preaction	PASS	01:29
+perlDreamer	how do we resolve that against this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10211	01:29
+perlDreamer	the bug was posted against 7.5	01:29
+perlDreamer	but I can't see that code being that different in 7.6/7	01:30
@preaction	see line 382 in WebGUI::Search for why	01:31
@preaction	the test is wrong	01:31
@preaction	(is testing incorrectly)	01:31
+perlDreamer	hm	01:32
+perlDreamer	that makes sense	01:32
+perlDreamer	so stopwords works fine	01:32
+perlDreamer	it's just _search that's the problem	01:32
@preaction	well no, the problem is the metachars are not being escaped from the user	01:33
@preaction	but that's made worse by us allowing the use of MySQL fulltext search options in our search	01:33
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* perlDreamer is still confused.		01:35
@preaction	we can't just quotemeta the whole thing	01:35
+perlDreamer	then why can't I duplicate the problem on webgui.org by searching for friends*	01:35
@preaction	try friends?	01:35
@preaction	or "friends+"	01:36
@preaction	friends* is handled by line 386	01:36
@preaction	er.	01:36
@preaction	368	01:36
@Haarg	why can't we quotemeta the whole thing?	01:37
@preaction	except for the * added by line 383?"	01:38
@preaction	i guess i'm wrong really	01:38
@preaction	er... what IS that * on line 383 of lib/WebGUI/Search.pm?	01:39
+perlDreamer	it's doing a SQL regex	01:40
@Haarg	the problem is if you do a search like 'maybe?*'	01:41
@Haarg	because that's not a valid regex	01:41
@Haarg	if someone tries to do a complex search against a stopword, there's really not anything we can do about it	01:43
@Haarg	unless we want to convert the incoming string from a mysql match string to a perl regex	01:44
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+perlDreamer	be right back, have to teach a quick lesson in fractions	01:57
+perlDreamer	note for future reference, M&M's make great teaching illustrations for fractions	02:02
+perlDreamer	if short lived	02:02
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10553 /WebGUI/t/Search.t: Add a Search test, to check for wildcards and stopwords.	02:02
+perlDreamer	l8r guys	02:04
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10554 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.21-7.6.22.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed #10193: matrix/broken save - maximum group field	03:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: patspam * r10555 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	03:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: Improved Survey template so that bottom of page/submit button can be	03:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: skinned when questions don't validate. Added js to scroll page to	03:46
CIA-38	WebGUI: highest invalid question (e.g. lowest y-coord)	03:46
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10556 /translations/German/German/Asset_Subscription.pm: Update from translation server	04:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10557 /translations/German/German/Asset_ThingyRecord.pm: Update from translation server	04:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10558 /translations/German/German/Asset_AdSku.pm: Update from translation server	04:15
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10559 /WebGUI/t/Search.t: Add 1 more test to _isStopword	04:59
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+perlDreamer	rizen: how did ad-tech go?	05:25
@rizen	we'll see	06:58
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@rizen	see how many webinars tavis gets	06:59
+perlDreamer	there must have been a lot of visitors to the booth	06:59
@rizen	we got rid of 2000 gooeys	07:50
@rizen	so that's something	07:50
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+perlDreamer	bartjol!	17:53
+perlDreamer	how's the house coming?	17:53
@preaction	anyone know the status of this bug? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9856	18:00
+perlDreamer	um, no	18:00
+perlDreamer	is kristi's site open for double checking?	18:01
@preaction	let me find out	18:02
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10560 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed #10184: Matrix 2.0 - Version Tag Duplicate Type	19:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10561 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed #10184: Matrix 2.0 - Version Tag Duplicate Type	19:26
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+perlDreamer	good luck, preaction	19:41
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CIA-38	WebGUI: paul * r10562 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: Changed Thingy search to use GET instead of POST	19:55
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topsub	Do assets ever expire out of the search index table? Or are they ever deleted?	20:19
@preaction	when the asset itself is deleted, its entry in the index should be deleted	20:19
+perlDreamer	is that handled by the purge method?	20:19
@preaction	otherwise no	20:19
topsub	preaction, ah that makes sence.. In our custom search macros we do logic to say if the date is pasted don't show it.	20:20
topsub	So if reindexing the site won't remove it. Is there a way to get webgui to skip it? Or in our indexContent function we need to do logic to have it skip it?	20:20
@preaction	indexContent sub	20:21
topsub	we have a custom asset called "webinars" which have times and dates setup of these events. Whats happening is someone is searching the site and finding old expired events and we think its do to the asset being indexed	20:21
topsub	so it sounds like we need to add the logic to the indexContent sub	20:22
@preaction	you'll want a workflow activity to remove them from the index then	20:22
@preaction	or some event that gets triggered when a webinar should be removed from the index	20:23
topsub	we had a thought if we re-run the indexer script it would call this function and remove the entry.. but seems thats not it	20:23
topsub	hmm workflow sounds good. Just write a workflow to pull all the webinars in the system and see if they are still active? if they are past the event date then remove them from the index database table?	20:24
@preaction	right	20:24
topsub	if there are 500 webinars in the database it seems the workflow would get slower and slower	20:26
topsub	or take longer and longer to work	20:26
topsub	i wonder if at some point we should just delete the assets instead of just hiding them.	20:26
topsub	Right now they add the assets but we hide them when the date passes and never deletes them	20:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: paul * r10563 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: That last Thingy fix was on the wrong line. Fixed	20:42
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@preaction	topsub: i would keep them, don't you attach transcripts to them maybe? or some other way for them to be useful in the future	20:53
@preaction	for example, we offered our webinars through lulu for a while	20:53
topsub	not sure.. something we will have to discuss with the client	20:53
@preaction	sell subscriptions to "The Archives"	20:54
@preaction	or offer The Archives free with a package of webinars or something	20:54
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CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10564 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixing an IE javascript error on Matrix compare screen	21:47
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10565 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixing an IE javascript error on Matrix compare screen	22:01
topsub	I have a wiki page and i think for some reason all the yahoo JS files aren't being included as i get http://webgui.pastebin.com/m79f40fb1 in the error console in FF.	22:22
topsub	Any ideas?	22:22
+perlDreamer	topsub, is it using the default template?	22:25
topsub	checking now	22:25
topsub	hmm nope its not.. good call something must be missing?	22:25
+perlDreamer	I'd check the extraHeadTags	22:25
topsub	i just added a new wiki with all defaults and it working.. so the template must be to blame	22:26
+perlDreamer	which version?	22:26
topsub	this site is 7.5.40	22:27
+perlDreamer	from SVN, or downloaded as a package?	22:27
topsub	this is a live running site that i was told the wiki was messed up on today and to look at it.. haha	22:28
+perlDreamer	gotcha	22:28
topsub	both wiki are using the same style template	22:29
topsub	seems the custom "page template" is to blame	22:29
topsub	yep, yui/build/element/element-beta-min.js was missing from an include.. woot fixed! thanks pd!	22:33
+perlDreamer	you're welcome :)	22:33
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10566 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10182: Matrix 2.0 - Comparison view broken in IE 6 & 7	22:43
CIA-38	WebGUI: yung * r10567 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10182: Matrix 2.0 - Comparison view broken in IE 6 & 7	22:58
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10568 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update code to match new RssFeed API w.r.t exporting.	23:57
CIA-38	WebGUI: paul * r10569 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: added a template var to Thingy View Thing for fieldType	23:57
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metanil	how can i get the list of queued mail, (thats supposed to send by workflow)??	00:14
metanil	Workflow SendQueuedMailMessages suppose to that right?	00:17
metanil	but i don't whether it is being executed or not.	00:17
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, should all i18n modules have a use utf8 in them?	01:49
@Haarg	it doesn't matter for core modules since we don't have any non-ascii characters that i am aware of	01:50
+perlDreamer	okay	01:50
@Haarg	any time a non-ascii character is used though, it either needs to be done in escaped form or the module needs to have use utf8	01:51
+perlDreamer	in the core i18n that shouldn't be a problem	01:51
+perlDreamer	I was just making a new i18n module for contract, and got to thinking about it	01:51
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10570 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/PassiveAnalytics/Rule.pm: Correct bad POD.	02:11
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@frodwith	Perldreamer says if I add new template variables I should add info to the help files, but I have no idea what he's talking about and he's gone off into the ether now.	04:24
@frodwith	anyone?	04:24
+patspam	he means all template variables are supposed to documented in WebGUI::Help	04:24
+patspam	if you have a look inside that namespace you'll see one file per wobject etc..	04:25
@frodwith	ah so	04:25
@frodwith	thank you	04:25
+patspam	np :)	04:25
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CIA-38	WebGUI: paul * r10571 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Thingy.pm i18n/English/Asset_Thingy.pm): Help for the template variable I added earlier	04:39
+perlDreamer	thanks, frodwith :)	04:40
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+perlDreamer	bbl	05:03
knowmad	good evening	05:03
knowmad	does anyone know if there's a way to get the date a message was added to the mailQueue via SQL?	05:04
knowmad	it looks like it gets appended to the msg headers but that's not easily managed by SQL queries	05:05
+perlDreamer	nope, just those three fields	05:08
+perlDreamer	messageId, toGroup and message	05:09
knowmad	no relations to other tables, eh?	05:09
+perlDreamer	none	05:10
knowmad	bummer; thanks pd	05:10
+perlDreamer	it would be a nice RFE to have a datestamp in there	05:10
knowmad	ok, i'll add one then	05:10
+perlDreamer	then we could have a workflow to tell us when the send email workflow isn't working...	05:10
+perlDreamer	knowmad, and since tomorrow is RFE day, if you sent a patch with that it could go right in	05:11
knowmad	http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10285	05:14
knowmad	wow, it's already RFE day again!	05:14
knowmad	i need to get those on my schedule so that i can join in one the fun; prob. not going to have time to whip up a patch before tomorrow though :(	05:15
knowmad	perlDreamer: your comment about notifying of when email isn't working was my thinking behind sorting on date	05:16
knowmad	we're having such a problem on a 7.5 install; going to upgrade to 7.5.40 this week in hopes of a fix	05:16
knowmad	also considering patching wremonitor to have it notify us if there are more than 100 messages in the mailQueue	05:17
+perlDreamer	got a kid in the shower, so I gotta be quick	05:19
+perlDreamer	the situation is this, knowmad	05:19
+perlDreamer	it's a posted but	05:19
+perlDreamer	I spent 4 hours on 1 guy's system and the problem was bad apache config for the WRE	05:19
+perlDreamer	most people fix it with a cron script to restart spectre every 4-6 hours	05:19
+perlDreamer	but what it really needs is someone with the problem who is willing to chase it down and find out what's really going on	05:20
+perlDreamer	the symptoms are simple	05:20
+perlDreamer	no email goes out	05:20
+perlDreamer	because the nextActivityId in the WorkflowInstance is blank	05:20
+perlDreamer	but no one understands why it gets set/left blank in the first place	05:20
+perlDreamer	or why spectre gets hung up on that	05:20
knowmad	ahh, thanks for the hint	05:21
knowmad	we're able to get it to kick off by manually running the workflow; then things seem to get back to normal	05:21
+perlDreamer	right, but it's that stuck state that's worrisome	05:21
knowmad	yes, indeed!	05:22
+perlDreamer	anyway, if you wanted to try and diagnose it on your current system, I'd offer to help you	05:22
+perlDreamer	(sometime after my son gets out of the shower :)	05:22
+perlDreamer	bbl	05:22
knowmad	unfortunately, i don't have a clogged queue at this time	05:27
knowmad	next time i see it, i'll see if i can catch you on IRC	05:27
knowmad	we had over 250 msgs in the backlog today	05:27
knowmad	ttyl	05:27
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@tavisto	hey patspam!	08:36
@tavisto	Does RMIT mean anything to you?	08:36
Radix_wrk	Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology	08:37
+patspam	tavisto: heya!	08:37
+patspam	we've work with some researchers based at RMIT	08:37
@tavisto	we got a webinar request today from a guy there	08:38
@tavisto	Ben Liquete	08:38
+patspam	fantastic! which department/faculty?	08:39
+patspam	"Research Investment Funds"	08:40
@tavisto	I don't have those details unfortunately	08:40
@tavisto	just name, phone number, and request to join webinar	08:40
+patspam	http://www.rmit.org.au/browse/About%20RMIT%2FContact%20Us%2FStaff%2Fby%20campus%2FUnknown%2FL%2F;ID=t9b72qc8ky5r;STATUS=A?QRY=benes&STYPE=PEOPLE	08:41
@tavisto	I'm sure I'll have to do a private webinar with him due to the time difference. Pretty standard	08:42
@tavisto	hmm interesting department to contact us about web stuff	08:42
+patspam	if it helps at all, you can mention that moodswings.net.au is a (webgui powered) RMIT PhD project	08:44
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@tavisto	patspam, that's great! I will do that. I may also use you as a reference if you're okay with that.	09:10
+patspam	for sure	09:10
@tavisto	I'm sure you could definitely help sell him on WebGUI :(	09:11
@tavisto	:)	09:11
@tavisto	nite all!	09:13
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ryuu_ro	hi all,	13:54
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ryuu_ro	i'm using xml::twig to process a 4gb xml file	13:54
ryuu_ro	but when I run it with the wre perl I get a memory leak	13:55
ryuu_ro	if I use the normal perl everything is ok	13:55
ryuu_ro	any ideas?	13:55
ryuu_ro	perl version is 5.10 btw	13:56
+BartJol	sorry ryuu_ro, dunno	14:04
ryuu_ro	no worries, just hoping someone else will	14:06
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carogray	Good morning, good day to others, I am still - forever- working on "email a friend" form..: the ^env(http_referer); does not renew, refresh,quickly enough.	16:31
carogray	If I am on a page - say domestic-violence/schools and i want to share the page with a friend, i click on the email button, I come to a form that asks me for my email address and my friend's email addres that includes the URL of the page i was just looking at and i wanted to share with my friend.	16:32
carogray	Then I want to look at more pages on the website, say I look at domestic-violence/school-officials-checklist. I click the email button, I come to the form, but instead of giving me the URL for the domestic-violence/school-officials-checklist page, the form still shows the URL for the domestic-violence/schools page. Is there anything I can do at my end - admin end- not PB server end - to get the URL that is sent along to refresh more qu	16:35
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CIA-38	WebGUI: jt * r10574 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): rfe: Button to Turn Admin Off on Admin Accordian (#475)	17:43
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+crythias	woah.	17:43
@rizen	preaction, steveo_aa,plainhao, frodwidth,khenn, you guys are all working on rfe's today, right?	17:43
+crythias	I never look at the irc list and ... bam	17:43
@rizen	bam?	17:44
+crythias	yeah. just. wow.	17:44
deafferret	plowie!	17:44
@preaction	rizen: yes. once i'm out of this meeting they'll all be working on RFEs	17:44
+crythias	zing!	17:44
+Radix_	kapow!	17:44
@rizen	am i in a 1960's episode of batman?	17:44
+crythias	Holy rfe, rizenman!	17:44
SynQ1	whaoe!	17:45
SynQ1	is there an RFE for the WRE?	17:45
@rizen	i'm sure there are dozens maybe hundreds SynQ1	17:46
SynQ1	wow	17:46
SynQ1	tomorrow is a national holliday here	17:46
SynQ1	queens day	17:47
@rizen	cool. happy holiday	17:47
SynQ1	thanks	17:48
topsub	hello everyone!	17:52
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daviddelikat	perlDreamer: got time for a question?	18:37
+perlDreamer	sure, daviddelikat	18:37
+perlDreamer	ask away	18:37
daviddelikat	when we talked about the workflow bug last week ( or was it two weeks )	18:38
daviddelikat	you mentioned that there was	18:38
daviddelikat	a configuration issue on the site that had the problem	18:38
+perlDreamer	yes	18:38
+perlDreamer	on 1 site with the problem	18:38
daviddelikat	can you give me some details about the config issu	18:38
daviddelikat	yes I understand it was just one of the sites	18:39
+perlDreamer	cool, just so it's clear	18:39
+perlDreamer	for this site, www.site.com worked fine	18:39
+perlDreamer	but www.site.com:8081 went to another site	18:39
+perlDreamer	spectre used that 8081 port to bypass the proxy server	18:39
+perlDreamer	so it was getting cron information for two sites	18:40
daviddelikat	so does spectre listen on 8081?	18:40
+perlDreamer	once I found that problem, and the user fixed it on his site, then his spectre email workflow stopped hanging	18:40
+perlDreamer	no, spectre talked on 8081 to the mod_perl instance of apache, and then gets sent back a JSON blob of info	18:41
daviddelikat	so 8081 is apache and they had it setup as a differnet site	18:42
daviddelikat	the original bug report for this had two situations where this was showing up	18:43
+perlDreamer	right	18:43
daviddelikat	first was from an upgreade	18:43
daviddelikat	the other was from an SMTP error	18:43
+perlDreamer	no, not quite. The original poster noticed his after an upgrade, but it happens frequently on that site after an upgrade.	18:44
daviddelikat	so I'm thinking that the thing that these three might have in comon is an invalid value	18:45
+perlDreamer	the second poster was the one that I helped	18:45
daviddelikat	in the nextinstanceid field	18:45
daviddelikat	if it starts out as invalid, then perhaps the next step is blank.	18:45
+perlDreamer	that's worth looking into.	18:46
daviddelikat	i can't figure out how to replicate it though	18:46
+perlDreamer	no, that's the problem	18:46
daviddelikat	how does this tuff get created?	18:46
daviddelikat	tuff==stuff	18:47
+perlDreamer	yeah	18:47
+perlDreamer	we need someone who experiences this problem regularly to volunteer their site for diagnostics	18:47
+perlDreamer	which is how I helped that 2nd guy	18:47
+perlDreamer	I told him if he'd volunteer his site, I'd fix the problem	18:47
daviddelikat	sorry not sure how that helps	18:49
daviddelikat	volunteer for what?	18:49
+perlDreamer	to let me play with it	18:50
+perlDreamer	I stuck in a ton of debugging print statements, and kept tracing the problem back until I found the cause for his site	18:50
+perlDreamer	but I think his issue was atypical for this problem	18:50
daviddelikat	so when you do debug prints like that where do you print to?	18:51
+perlDreamer	in spectre I just used $log->debug	18:51
+perlDreamer	which went to the screen when you run spectre in debug mode	18:51
daviddelikat	is that what shows up at the bottom of each page?	18:52
daviddelikat	ok	18:52
+perlDreamer	no, that's a separate debug output just for WebGUI	18:52
+perlDreamer	I think spectre debug also goes into webgui.log, but it's worth double checking that	18:52
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat, the other issue is that people are working around this bug with external cron jobs that restart spectre every 4-6 hours	18:53
+perlDreamer	which deprive us of opportunities to debug this	18:53
daviddelikat	so restarting spectre will clear this out?	18:53
+perlDreamer	yes, it's supposed to	18:54
+perlDreamer	which kind of says the problem may not be found in WebGUI, or the db	18:54
daviddelikat	does it reload the activity schedule?	18:54
+perlDreamer	on startup? I think so	18:54
+perlDreamer	pbworkflow0000000007 is called by a cron job	18:54
+perlDreamer	and it has just 1 workflow activity in it	18:54
daviddelikat	send queued messages	18:55
+perlDreamer	and it's a singleton workflow	18:55
+perlDreamer	right	18:55
daviddelikat	being extrremely short makes it hard to track	18:55
+perlDreamer	the interesting thing about dhuggins bug post is that it came right after ALL maintenance workflows were set to singleton	18:55
* perlDreamer suspects (with no evidence, only hunch) that the problem is in how spectre deals with singleton workflows		18:55
daviddelikat	so this didn't happen before?	18:56
+perlDreamer	oh no, send queued messages has been a problem for a long time	18:56
@Haarg	perlDreamer, is story manager fully functional at this point?	18:56
+perlDreamer	yes, Haarg.	18:56
+perlDreamer	it needs nice templates, though	18:57
@Haarg	yeah	18:57
+perlDreamer	current set of templates work, but they're bare bones	18:57
@Haarg	have someone i want to point to the beta demo once it's patched	18:57
+perlDreamer	cool	18:58
daviddelikat	so what is the differnece now that it is a singlton?	18:59
+perlDreamer	it has always been a singleton, but now all the others are too	19:00
@Haarg	actually, i'm pretty sure they were singleton as well for new sites for quite a while	19:01
daviddelikat	so we want to make sure non of the others start doing the same thing?	19:01
+perlDreamer	exactly, daviddelikat	19:02
daviddelikat	this is all very usefull; thanks	19:02
daviddelikat	gives me more ideas of what to look for.	19:03
* perlDreamer wishes he had more than idle speculation to share with you		19:03
daviddelikat	speculation with history is better than speculaation alone	19:03
+perlDreamer	it's weird talking about myself in the third person, maybe I'm becoming Bob Dole :)	19:03
daviddelikat	just don't start talking about other people int he first person	19:04
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elnino_	do I need to run the cron for wremonitor in the sytemwide cron?	19:10
+perlDreamer	yes, that's what the wiki says	19:10
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation	19:11
+perlDreamer	step 12	19:11
elnino_	Hi perlDreameer!!! actually, step 12 doesn't have a user specified, which to mean sounds like I don't?	19:12
elnino_	I have it running in root's crontab	19:13
elnino_	but I think I fixed my problem...	19:13
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+perlDreamer	oh, I see. System cron vs root's cron	19:13
elnino_	I just have to wait a couple minues to find out.. =)	19:14
+perlDreamer	I was thinking Spectre Cron vs unix cron	19:14
+perlDreamer	my bad	19:14
elnino_	np	19:14
elnino_	I usually put it in the system cron, and I just moved it to root's.	19:14
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elnino_	so.. Looking at logrotate.pl... it's looking at /var/logs My system has /var/log.. what is it (normally) supposed to be	19:15
elnino_	?	19:15
elnino_	is the location different between distros?	19:15
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+perlDreamer	I'd think you'd point it to /data/wre/var/logs, but that's a pure guess	19:16
elnino_	is there any documentation as to what these three crons actually do? I don't see anything on the wiki.	19:17
elnino_	oh. I see.	19:19
carogray	Help please!	19:24
+perlDreamer	what's up carogray?	19:24
carogray	we have our infamous tell a friend form	19:24
carogray	w/ v. powerful env macro	19:25
carogray	one problem we have been trying to get PB to help us with is it will not renew/refresh from one page to the next. ie if visiting dv and schools page you can send the URL to a friend with the form, then when you visit the dv schools homeless children page, and want to share that page, form still sends remembered dv and schools - they are looking into it,	19:26
carogray	BUT	19:26
carogray	my editor cannot even SEE the tell a friend form at all	19:26
carogray	on either IE or FF	19:26
carogray	we have cleared caches, deleted temp Internet files etc.	19:27
+perlDreamer	the PB guys are top notch, they'll get it figured out	19:27
carogray	other people in the office can see hte form	19:27
+perlDreamer	the editor is a particular user of the website?	19:28
carogray	I know PB guys are top notch and very helpful and everything, but I can't figure out why he can't even see the page - or the form rather,	19:28
carogray	yep.	19:28
+perlDreamer	he can see other pages?	19:28
carogray	yep	19:28
+perlDreamer	what happens when he goes to that page?	19:28
carogray	He sees banner and breadcrumb, but no form	19:28
carogray	go to any www.masslegalhelp.org page - except home	19:28
+perlDreamer	do you have restrictive permission set on the actual form?	19:28
carogray	will check but can't imagine restrictive permission is set for him when "everyone" can see form	19:29
+perlDreamer	which operating system is editor using?	19:29
carogray	windows XP same as everyone else in office	19:30
carogray	no security is for everyone	19:31
carogray	I mean, "No, restrictive permissions not on form. Security who can view? is e/one"	19:31
carogray	ooh this is weird!	19:32
carogray	I just became him - as user that is	19:32
carogray	now I cannot see the form!	19:32
daviddelikat	I can't see the form	19:32
carogray	how can this be	19:32
+perlDreamer	I can see the form	19:32
daviddelikat	where is it supposed to be?	19:32
carogray	go to any MLH page, i.e. www.masslegalhelp.org/domestic-violence	19:33
carogray	click on email - upper right	19:33
carogray	should get form	19:33
+perlDreamer	carogray, I think you need to find out exactly which versions of IE and FF are being used	19:33
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daviddelikat	now i see it	19:33
carogray	yah - but what do you think - if I am on my computer - that does see form..	19:34
daviddelikat	so as editor do you see the 'email' link?	19:34
carogray	I am logged in as me, but go to users and become him	19:34
+perlDreamer	is there something about his account? A local plugin, a configuration value ...?	19:34
carogray	I see the email link, but when I click and go to form from link...empty page.. or banner and breadcrumb, but no page.	19:35
carogray	this is on my computer where I can see the page	19:35
carogray	whether logged in or no	19:35
+perlDreamer	view the source of that page	19:35
+perlDreamer	the HTML source	19:35
carogray	only code for banner and breadcrumb - nothing for form	19:35
carogray	yah I know I already tried that	19:35
carogray	empty	19:35
+perlDreamer	if other users can see it, it has to be a local user problem	19:38
daviddelikat	does it have the </html> bit at the end?	19:38
daviddelikat	brb	19:38
+perlDreamer	elnino_, re your RFE, see the Asset History table, and upgrade to 7.7 quickly so you can start using the awesome powers of the Asset History browser.	19:38
carogray	local user meaning physical computer he is on - or something to do with the user group to which he belongs. like content manager	19:39
carogray	or maybe even UI setting?	19:39
elnino_	yep. I very much look forward to upgrading... but I'm moving sites bewteen servers, so I'm a bit stuck on a particular version at the moment.	19:39
elnino_	thank you all for working so hard on my rfes!!	19:40
+perlDreamer	carogray, when you say you go to users and become him, you're saying you do this in WebGUI?	19:40
elnino_	does the backup.pl use the wre.conf backup user to do the backups? When I create databases, do I need to give that user read-only access?	19:43
carogray	yes	19:45
carogray	He is in the editors group.	19:45
carogray	I just "became" another editor.	19:45
carogray	as the other editor I could see the form! !!!!!?	19:46
+perlDreamer	then it's tied to his WebGUI user account	19:46
carogray	sorry not shouting, just going crazy	19:46
+perlDreamer	check out his profile and group settings in the User Manager	19:46
carogray	yep, he is in 4 groups wouldn't the group with the most permissions not be overruled by groups by fewer permissions?	19:48
carogray	the other editor is not in all the groups he is in	19:48
+perlDreamer	carogray, that would be correct	19:48
+perlDreamer	how about the UI level?	19:49
carogray	9 - Guru	19:49
+perlDreamer	errors in the log file?	19:49
carogray	uh oh - now we are getting over my head...	19:49
carogray	hang on, I have another idea about something....something that will complicate matters further, but give us more info...have to run down to his office	19:50
+perlDreamer	elnino_, you are a wiki documenting fiendess!	19:51
elnino_	yeah, until I found out I don't get karma. =( lol	19:51
+perlDreamer	that can be fixed...	19:51
elnino_	I try to document, it's mostly for me.. I don't have any good system otherwise.	19:52
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elnino_	I dont' know if any of it is accurate either.. Wouldn't mind having a proof reader....	19:53
+perlDreamer	I know that preaction, knowmad and several others look at wiki content. You're not out there alone.	19:53
carogray	ok - me back again - he can't see the other email forms if he is logged in either.	19:56
+perlDreamer	well, at least he's consistent	19:56
+perlDreamer	is this a new user account, or an old one?	19:57
carogray	old - one of the first	19:57
+perlDreamer	has something changed recently?	19:57
carogray	we upgraded...2 weeks before we upgraded he did send an email using the email form	20:00
+perlDreamer	carogray, I'm stumped	20:01
carogray	hah - that makes me feel betterO:-)	20:01
carogray	I guess I will send this problem on to our PB friends as well.	20:01
carogray	thanks for trying	20:02
carogray	hah - he WAS in the group site-wide editors.	20:04
carogray	just took him out of that group - became him and NOW he/I can see the form!	20:04
+perlDreamer	what are the viewing permissions on that form?	20:05
+perlDreamer	WebGUI's permissions don't allow exclusion, only inclusion	20:05
elnino_	perlDreamer - do I have you to thank for the karma? or did the system do it?	20:05
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+perlDreamer	it were I	20:06
+perlDreamer	I have to do _something_ useful with all that karma	20:06
+perlDreamer	otherwise I'd just blow it on Gooey dolls	20:06
+perlDreamer	and webgui stickers for my lunchbox	20:07
elnino_	=) well, thank you.. I wasn't beggign for it.. I thought at one time, the website allotted karma at one time. But maybe it's only given on rfes and bug reports I create.	20:07
elnino_	Anna can say octapus when she sees my gooey doll. Quite impressive for a 2 year old.	20:07
elnino_	I think at least.	20:08
@preaction	i agree	20:08
@preaction	she's 2 already? wow	20:08
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat, that user just emailed me back and told me the problem was back	20:08
elnino_	yep. 2 1/4	20:08
+perlDreamer	so I'm just peeling the onion	20:08
elnino_	I finally got pictures taken.	20:08
daviddelikat	perlDreamer: so it is more than the spectre thing...	20:10
+perlDreamer	more than the apache config problem	20:10
daviddelikat	yeah that...	20:10
daviddelikat	when can we/you look at it?	20:10
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elnino_	oh. I got an email saying that you gave me karma. cool.	20:10
* perlDreamer is completely booked for the next two weeks		20:10
+perlDreamer	until May 15	20:10
+perlDreamer	after that I may have time to tinker with it again	20:11
daviddelikat	k	20:11
+perlDreamer	this is what I did	20:11
+perlDreamer	I added a bunch of debug statements to WebGUI, Workflow/Instance.pm and had it only print when processing that workflow, which keeps the volume down	20:11
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10575 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs):	20:11
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add an option to the Sku to require individual shipping of this sku, separate	20:11
CIA-38	WebGUI: from other items in the cart. Update the FlatRate driver to support calculating that.	20:11
CIA-38	WebGUI: frank * r10576 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm: Search now performs a GET rather than a POST	20:11
+perlDreamer	most of the statements were inside the run method	20:12
+perlDreamer	but I added some to SendQueuedMessages as well, just saying what the state was when it finished	20:12
* elnino_ is going to eat lunch now.		20:13
+perlDreamer	then, restart spectre and webgui, and start fishing the logs	20:13
daviddelikat	thanks PD... i'll see if that helps flush out some flakey behaviour.	20:16
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, you around?	21:11
+perlDreamer	here	21:11
@Haarg	http://gist.github.com/103936	21:11
@Haarg	a lot of the changes in t/Mail/Send.t are cleanups, but the changes in t/smtpd.pl and the END block of the test are the important parts	21:12
@Haarg	thoughts?	21:12
+perlDreamer	chatting with the boss, I'll check soon	21:13
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I like it all	21:41
+perlDreamer	dynamic paths	21:41
+perlDreamer	using lexical filehandles	21:41
+perlDreamer	and not requiring the daemon to count messages anymore	21:42
@Haarg	yeah	21:42
@Haarg	that's the main thing i wanted	21:42
daviddelikat	any body know if it is possible to render an html table with the headers on the left?	21:42
@Haarg	i ran into a bug where i have emailToLog set in my config, and the test was resetting to that value prematurely	21:43
@Haarg	so it was hanging	21:43
@Haarg	i might try to do something about that as well so it fails instead	21:44
+perlDreamer	will that be part of the config file restore idea?	21:44
@Haarg	not exactly	21:45
@Haarg	well, that will impact it	21:45
@Haarg	but i mean fixing the test so it doesn't hang if smtpd.pl doesn't recieve a message	21:45
+perlDreamer	ah, I see	21:46
+perlDreamer	do a fork and a timeout of some kind?	21:46
@Haarg	not sure	21:46
+perlDreamer	time for me to go running	21:47
+perlDreamer	haven't gone in about a week, and I'm feeling better from being sick	21:47
+perlDreamer	so I'll be back later	21:47
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@preaction	does WebGUI::Asset->update handle properties/columns that do not exist? or if i add a property to templates, will that create an upgrade step?	23:51
+perlDreamer	Asset.pm, like 2340	23:51
@preaction	somehow i think that should use a stow or cache or something	23:52
Chizad	With dynamic SQL reports, do ALL of the form fields have to be filled in?	23:57
@preaction	Chizad: what happens when you leave one out?	23:57
Chizad	I get an empty result set.	23:58
@preaction	did you turn debugging on? should the query return that?	23:58
Chizad	Okay, now I'm confused.	23:59
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Chizad	A few minutes ago, it wasn't returning any results unless all form fields in the query were filled in.	00:00
Chizad	I just turned debugging on and tried the same exact query and it appears to be working.	00:00
@preaction	yeah, now i'm confused too	00:02
Chizad	Nevermind then, it seems to be working fine.	00:02
@preaction	is the results being caches?	00:02
Chizad	Guess I just needed to ask the question to get it to start behaving	00:02
Chizad	I don't have caching enabled for this report (yet); if I turn that on will it also show up in the debug section so I can make sure it's working?	00:03
@preaction	no, but caching could have caused the result you saw (a former version not working, and the new version working)	00:04
Chizad	I think part of it was my query; I'm starting to try and convert a webapp my predecessor here built into a sql report, so I took took the sql from there and then converted the variables into placeholder params	00:06
Chizad	The old setup had the first field as a simple = comparison, while the rest were LIKE comparisons, and it was happy with it.	00:07
Chizad	But in the SQL report, once it started to work, a quick test showed that if I left the first field blank I wouldn't get any results back, but it worked fine if I filled in the first field and some but not all of the others.	00:08
Chizad	So now I've just got them all as LIKEs and it's doing what I want.	00:09
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@preaction	Chizad: if you don't mind my asking, i haven't seen you in here much: how are you using WebGUI? intranet, extranet, website?	00:16
* perlDreamer heads off to do some shipping research		00:17
+perlDreamer	apparently the USPS refuses to put information on their website	00:18
@preaction	ooh, you're doing that for us?	00:18
+perlDreamer	who me?	00:18
@preaction	i thought Tom Suchy was doing that	00:18
@preaction	couldn't be	00:18
Chizad	pre: intranet	00:19
@preaction	nice, mind if i ask for whom? have you added yourself to WebGUI Sightings on webgui.org?	00:19
+perlDreamer	would that work for an intranet?	00:20
@preaction	oh, heh.	00:21
@preaction	maybe	00:21
Chizad	Yeah, right now we've got static HTML and a handful of db search pages my predecessor put together and it's not been working because all changes had to go through the IT dept.	00:21
+perlDreamer	oy, that's no good at all	00:21
@preaction	HGSI?	00:21
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Chizad	And my employer is Van Keppel; we're a construction equipment/forklift dealer here in the midwest US.	00:23
+perlDreamer	okay I'm really heading off now	00:24
+perlDreamer	be back in an hour or so	00:24
@preaction	Chizad: thanks, let us know how it goes. we're here for any questions of course	00:26
Chizad	Will do; we just finished some brief introductory training sessions for our content managers, so we're just starting the process of getting everything converted over.	00:28
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CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10577 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Added #10145: Global Head Tags in Settings	01:12
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@Haarg	well that's annoying. have to break api compatibility on WGDev::Command::Base.	01:33
@Haarg	i guess i should be a bit more careful about that	01:34
+perlDreamer	why for?	01:34
@Haarg	the way option parsing works	01:34
@Haarg	for most options, it just set the value in a hash accessible through $self->option('key')	01:34
@Haarg	but if a sub option_$key is defined, it calls that instead to set the option	01:35
@Haarg	that's used in reset for profiles for example	01:35
@Haarg	but when i did that i was forgetting about the option_config sub	01:36
@Haarg	making it impossible to use the --config option to reset	01:37
+perlDreamer	you know, I think I came across that	01:38
+perlDreamer	but just didn't understand what was happening	01:38
@Haarg	took me a while to track down	01:38
+perlDreamer	you're still before anything close to a 1.0 release	01:38
+perlDreamer	and the number of devs is still small	01:38
@Haarg	yeah, it only really effects patspam	01:39
@Haarg	going to change the subs in ::Base to config_options and config_parse_options i think	01:41
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+perlDreamer	nice analysis of attempts to attack reCAPTCHA: http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/27/moot-wins-time-inc-loses/	02:05
@Haarg	patspam, http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/commit/d109aa1c4d3d56fa8ebb01ff67c142f8bd5e86f0	02:27
+patspam	api change?	02:27
@Haarg	yeah	02:28
@Haarg	needed for a bug fix	02:28
@Haarg	not a large change, just some methods renamed	02:28
+patspam	thanks for the heads up :)	02:28
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+perlDreamer	dinner time for me	02:52
+perlDreamer	see you all again tommorrow	02:52
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+BartJol	good evening everyone'	03:22
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+BartJol	tavisto: still waiting	05:45
+BartJol	for your comic revenge	05:47
+BartJol	rizen: don't trust sarah when whe wants to kiss you	06:01
+BartJol	it's from me	06:01
+BartJol	can't say I didn't warn you	06:02
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No1Viking	Hello guys!	09:07
No1Viking	I've been looking at the webgui CMS and I have two questions	09:08
No1Viking	Is it possible to use webgui with MS SQL instead of MySQL?	09:08
No1Viking	Are there any migration tool to migrate from Joomla to Webgui?	09:09
+Radix-wrk	no, and no afaik	09:11
+Radix-wrk	but check with the PB guys who have ops.. they may be able to offer some assistance with migration.. I dunno	09:12
No1Viking	Are there any translations to other languages in webgui?	09:15
+Radix-wrk	definitely.. have a look at http://translation.plainblack.com/	09:17
+Radix-wrk	keep in mind also that the percentage describes the entire ui.. where you prolly only need about 10% if that for most people's user experience to be fully in that language	09:19
+Radix-wrk	even less really.. there's only a handful of strings used in webgui that the average user sees	09:20
No1Viking	Thanks!	09:20
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No1Viking	Are there any templates out there that is possible to install instead of building one from scratch?	09:34
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topsub	i'm look through the help but not finding anything. In a folder template is there a way to say if first element do this?	17:55
topsub	just like how in navi template u can do page.isRankedFirst	18:00
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@frodwith	topsub: I don't know jack about folder templates, but maybe <tmpl_if __FIRST__> would help?	18:33
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+perlDreamer	WebGUI, how is little Emma doing?	18:36
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topsub	frodwith, thanks that was it! I thought there was something like that for all assets!	18:44
@preaction	is the DateTime form control supposed to not allow undefined values?	18:54
+perlDreamer	Is that condition checked in the test for that form control?	18:55
@preaction	probably not	18:55
@preaction	no, it's not	18:55
@preaction	the behavior changed a while back	18:56
@preaction	i could have swore we allowed blank values before	18:56
@preaction	now, no matter what, it defaults to today, or now	18:56
@frodwith	topsub: glad to help. :)	19:02
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@tavisto	Hey gang, google alerted me to this blog about a guy trying to use WebGUI on a powermac g5 (64 bit) with Linux. Apparently he's running into some issues.. Maybe it's worth posting a response or two on. :) http://blog.louiemiranda.net/2009/04/30/webgui-cms-on-a-powermac-g5-64-bit-that-runs-linux/	19:13
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+perlDreamer	tavisto, I think I saw some issues like that posted to the forum	19:16
+perlDreamer	could it be the same guy?	19:16
@tavisto	not sure, his name does not ring a bell to me	19:17
+perlDreamer	yep, it's the same guy.	19:24
+perlDreamer	he's very brave to try 64-bit WRE	19:24
+perlDreamer	WebGUI/SynQ is the only guy that I know of who has done that repeatedly with any level of success.	19:24
@tavisto	is it functional at this point?	19:24
@tavisto	ah okay	19:24
+perlDreamer	I _think_ on debian	19:24
+perlDreamer	rizen had it working on some platforms, but not all	19:24
+perlDreamer	it was supposed to be a WRE 0.9 feature	19:25
+perlDreamer	but will now wait for 1.0	19:25
@tavisto	ah okay	19:25
+perlDreamer	"ah okay" is your marketing speak for "geek is talking tech to me", isn't it? :)	19:25
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@tavisto	nope it's my acknowledgement that I understand what's up and am "in the know"	19:26
@tavisto	"whatever becky" is what I respond with when "geek is talking tech to me"	19:27
+perlDreamer	lol	19:28
@preaction	Haarg: are you the one doing the release today? did you have a time you wanted to do it? i've got someting i want to get in quick	19:28
@Haarg	go ahead, just let me know	19:28
@preaction	ok thx.	19:28
@Haarg	perlDreamer, in the story manager upgrade script, is there a reason you add the WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::ArchiveOldStories workflow by going through the hash instead of just using $config->addToArray?	19:45
+perlDreamer	does that work with a subhash?	19:47
@preaction	yes, $config->addToArray("hash/array", ... );	19:47
@preaction	the / allows you to go deeper	19:47
@Haarg	addToArray('workflowActivities/None', 'WebGUI::...	19:47
+perlDreamer	I didn't know you could do that. So, the reason would be ignorance.	19:47
+perlDreamer	which isn't a good one :)	19:47
@preaction	eh, i didn't know until a few months ago	19:48
@preaction	didn't put it together until last week ;)	19:48
+perlDreamer	hm	19:48
+perlDreamer	must be time to register for Iron Man blogging, and to write this down in my blog to educate the world	19:48
@Haarg	did a config reset. finding a lot of inconsistencies between WebGUI.conf.original and the upgrade scripts. :/	19:49
@preaction	that's not good	19:49
+perlDreamer	uh oh	19:49
+perlDreamer	what have I done?	19:49
@preaction	and they're probably mostly my fault :p	19:49
@Haarg	nothing of yours	19:49
@Haarg	i just noticed that when looking through the changes	19:49
+perlDreamer	are you going to patch that, or would you like me to?	19:50
@Haarg	i'll take care of it	19:50
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+perlDreamer	deafferret, I haven't worked out in a week, so you should consider this one a freebie	20:38
@preaction	uhm... what is this root/import/prop-style thing in the latest webgui svn?	20:58
@preaction	"Oklahoma's Premiere Legal, Accounting, Human Resources, Marketing & Tax firm"	20:58
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@preaction	Haarg: done now, but let me know before you release, maybe i can get some more stuff in quick	21:04
@preaction	perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9906 <- is this your patch? do you want to add it to svn?	21:12
@Haarg	preaction: shouldn't HTML::Packer or any other needed modules be added to testEnvironment ?	21:15
@preaction	yes, thanks for catching that	21:15
@preaction	and gotcha	21:15
@preaction	one sec	21:15
@preaction	Haarg: done	21:24
@Haarg	does that stuff all play friendly with template variables?	21:24
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10578 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Added: Packing of templates, snippets, and head tags.	21:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10579 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added #9289: Extending the "Request Approval For Version Tag" activity (Bernd Kalbfu?-Zimmermann)	21:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10580 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): some image cropper cleanups	21:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10581 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix mismatches between upgrades and WebGUI.conf.original	21:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10582 /WebGUI/t/ (Mail/Send.t smtpd.pl): improve handling of SMTP test server	21:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10583 /WebGUI/ (sbin/testEnvironment.pl docs/gotcha.txt): added gotcha and testEnvironment modules	21:25
@preaction	it appears to. let me make sure on TT one more time (H::T works fine)	21:25
@Haarg	need to do some more cleanup on the image cropper at some point. it stores information in some odd newline separated format.	21:28
+perlDreamer	preaction, you can always do WebGUI::Asset::Template->getIsa to iterate over all objects of that type in the db	22:10
+perlDreamer	instead of building the assetIds and objects by hand	22:10
@preaction	so that's a class method?	22:10
+perlDreamer	yes	22:11
+perlDreamer	it will return all objects of that class, _and_ any subclasses, too	22:11
+perlDreamer	very, very handy for upgrades	22:11
@preaction	indeed	22:11
+perlDreamer	(not that I'm opinionated about it or anything)	22:13
@preaction	where is the branchpoint for 7.7? 7.6.15?	22:13
@preaction	7.6.14	22:14
@Haarg	preaction, you broke the tests	22:19
@Haarg	like, all of them	22:19
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@Haarg	template packing breaks t/Asset/Template.t t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t t/Macro/AdminToggle.t t/Macro/EditableToggle.t t/Macro/GroupAdd.t t/Macro/GroupDelete.t t/Macro/H_homeLink.t t/Macro/L_loginBox.t t/Macro/LoginToggle.t t/Macro/a_account.t t/Macro/r_printable.t	22:31
@preaction	sweet	22:31
@preaction	i'll take a look	22:31
@preaction	Haarg: do you want to split these up, or should i just look at them? i got the first one done already	22:34
@Haarg	i'm looking at the other failing tests	22:34
@preaction	okay, i'll start from the bottom then	22:34
@preaction	oh, the non-packing failing tests	22:34
@Haarg	yeah	22:35
+perlDreamer	I have a dream	22:35
+perlDreamer	A dream of a day when developers walk hand in hand	22:36
+perlDreamer	They write POD for their subroutines, and run the test suite before committing	22:36
@Haarg	i have a dream of a day i can figure out the buildbot documentation	22:36
+perlDreamer	The code maintainers walk around with smiles on their faces, knowing that their job has been made easier	22:36
+perlDreamer	and they can concentrate on helping people and enhancing code	22:36
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10584 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Template.t: fix now that things are packed	22:39
+perlDreamer	preaction, should the templatePacked field be a noFormPost instead of hidden?	22:47
@preaction	wouldn't it need to be both? it should probably have noFormPost yes	22:47
@preaction	i'll add that	22:47
metanil	i got --> ADMIN: Fetching site data for domain.edu.conf	22:47
metanil	--> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for domain.edu.conf	22:47
+perlDreamer	metanil, that's a spectre error?	22:48
metanil	perlDreamer: i run spectre in debug mode .. and that all it says.	22:48
+perlDreamer	well, it means that there's some problem talking to that site. Check your DNS, apache configs, and domain.edu.conf and spectre.conf to make sure everything is right.	22:49
metanil	the site is host on 443, but the internal perl site is 8081.. and i put 443 in spectre.conf.	22:49
@preaction	check webgui.log to see if there's a reason	22:50
@preaction	try wget yoursite.com?op=spectreGetSiteData to see if you get the right stuff	22:50
metanil	same error --> ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for domain.edu.conf	22:50
@Haarg	spectre can't connect via ssl afaik	22:51
+perlDreamer	there were 3 acronyms in that sentence, Haarg	22:51
metanil	preaction: its in SSL	22:51
@preaction	metanil: that's nice	22:52
@Haarg	if you are running spectre on the same server as the site you should be able to have it connect to port 8081	22:52
metanil	preaction: it returned blank	22:52
@preaction	metanil: then that's a problem	22:53
metanil	but last time when i did within the same machine returned something	22:53
@preaction	Haarg: the tests are fixed now, they understand that unnecessary whitespace will be removed	22:53
@Haarg	spectre will always connect using http, not https	22:53
metanil	preaction: its said---> attempted to Tried to make a Spectre workflow data load request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 127.0.1.1/32,127.0.0.1/32	22:54
@preaction	metanil: that's another problem	22:54
metanil	hahaha	22:54
@preaction	are you on the system you're trying to do this?	22:54
metanil	no	22:54
@preaction	then that error is a good thing	22:55
metanil	:D	22:55
metanil	preaction: i did wget "http://localhost:8081/?op=spectreGetSiteData".. and it return .. JSON script .. i guess	22:57
@preaction	that's what you want	22:57
@preaction	is spectre.conf pointed to 8081? is it binding to 127.0.0.1?	22:57
@preaction	also, the mod_perl instance shouldn't kick people into SSL, only the mod_proxy instance should do so	22:58
metanil	preaction: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d515acc41	22:58
@preaction	yes, that is what you want	22:58
@Haarg	it sounds like you should just be able to change spectre.conf to have port 8081 instead of 443	22:59
metanil	preaction: yes 8081 is bind to localhost	22:59
metanil	Haarg: i also tried that but no luck.	22:59
metanil	in fact it used to be like that.	23:00
metanil	anyway, i just go ahead and revert it back.	23:00
@Haarg	what errors show up?	23:00
@preaction	pastebin your webgui conf and spectre conf	23:00
metanil	it debug mode --> --> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for domain.edu.conf	23:00
@Haarg	what about the log file?	23:01
@Haarg	also, have you made any modifications to the site.modperl config file?	23:02
+perlDreamer	Haarg: do you have an uncommitted fix for using a table named Snippet in the packer upgrade subroutine?	23:03
@preaction	fix?	23:03
@Haarg	no	23:03
@preaction	broken?	23:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10585 /WebGUI/t/Macro/AdminToggle.t: fix now that things are packed	23:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10586 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: Add note about packed templates to process method sub.	23:03
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10587 /WebGUI/t/Macro/ (8 files): fix now that things are packed	23:03
+perlDreamer	borken	23:03
@Haarg	wrong case?	23:03
@preaction	what's broken?	23:03
+perlDreamer	wrong case	23:04
@Haarg	stupid os x :/	23:04
@Haarg	also, stupid mysql	23:04
@preaction	are you sure? it looks like there is no "snippet" table in my db	23:04
@preaction	but there is a "Snippet" table	23:04
+perlDreamer	"snippet"	23:05
topsub	Is there a way not to send a sales receipt when someone buys something?	23:05
@Haarg	how did you create that site preaction?	23:05
@preaction	using wre's addsite.pl	23:05
@Haarg	it's snippet for me	23:05
@preaction	and i've been using wgd reset -d a lot	23:05
@Haarg	hrm	23:05
* perlDreamer uses wgd reset a lot, too, but it always says snippet		23:06
@Haarg	yeah	23:06
@Haarg	and that's what create.sql has	23:06
+perlDreamer	could one of you please fix that and commit the fix?	23:06
+perlDreamer	I should have branched for this latest project	23:06
+perlDreamer	and didn't	23:06
metanil	spectre.conf: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2536fbac	23:06
metanil	webgui.conf: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7a1c1f1e	23:07
@preaction	i'll get it	23:07
+perlDreamer	so I can't commit without releasing a bunch of half-baked code	23:07
+perlDreamer	thanks, preaction.	23:07
@preaction	done	23:07
@Haarg	you need to change the port from 443 to 8081	23:08
@preaction	i would like to know why my mysql insists on keeping it uppercase	23:08
-!- rizen [n=rizen@h69-128-55-18.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]		23:08
@Haarg	especially since wgd reset clears out all the tables	23:08
@preaction	exactly	23:08
metanil	Haarg: yes i also changed modperl config file	23:08
@preaction	... what if my ALTER TABLE is what changed the case? because now it's "snippet"	23:09
@Haarg	i don't know	23:09
@Haarg	that didn't happen for me, but i may be using a different mysql version	23:09
@preaction	so if you're on a case insensitive file system and you use an ALTER TABLE and use the wrong case, it succeeds and changes the table's case	23:09
@preaction	i am using an older WRE	23:09
@preaction	5.0.67	23:09
@Haarg	i am using mysql binaries off their site	23:09
@Haarg	5.0.67	23:10
@preaction	lam	23:10
@preaction	lame	23:10
@Haarg	metanil, can you pastebin your modperl and modproxy config files?	23:11
@Haarg	preaction, can you test that out?	23:11
metanil	Haarg: sure, hold on	23:11
@preaction	Haarg: yeah, one sec	23:11
@preaction	yeah, i change my alter table back to "Snippet" and the table name gets upper-cased	23:12
@Haarg	odd	23:12
@preaction	i missed one, so that's fixed now too	23:12
metanil	Modperl.conf: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d28e03b77	23:14
metanil	modproxy.conf: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4bd3add7	23:14
@Haarg	so with that webgui config, spectre tries to connect to 'domain.edu'	23:15
@Haarg	which likely won't work	23:15
@Haarg	you need to have the first entry in sitename in the webgui conf be a valid hostname for the server	23:15
metanil	u mean using port 443?	23:16
@preaction	is "domain.edu" in your /etc/hosts as "127.0.0.1"?	23:16
@Haarg	it will connect on whatever port is listed for webguiPort in spectre.conf	23:16
@Haarg	which for your uses should be 8081	23:16
metanil	ok, i used to be 8081.. i jus changed it earlier .. just for test.. but the problem was same	23:17
metanil	localhost --->> 127.0.0.1	23:18
metanil	domain.edu ---> 127.0.1.1	23:18
metanil	does 127.0.0.1 has be also domain.edu?	23:18
@Haarg	what happens if you try wget "http://domain.edu:8081/?op=spectreGetSiteData" on the server?	23:19
metanil	like i said before it works.. it retured JSON script.	23:20
metanil	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d515acc41	23:21
@Haarg	perlDreamer, does t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t pass for you?	23:23
+perlDreamer	yes	23:23
metanil	Haarg: i think the entry in sitename at webgui.conf is valid hostname	23:24
+perlDreamer	from what I'm finding, I usually don't commit tests that aren't passing	23:24
+perlDreamer	only those that leak users and groups	23:24
@Haarg	hmm	23:24
@Haarg	the copyright check you added is failing for me, returning undef when the test wants an empty string	23:24
@Haarg	i'm still looking into it	23:24
@Haarg	metanil, yeah, it sounds like it is. i'm not certain what is going wrong.	23:25
@Haarg	do you get anything in the logs?	23:25
+perlDreamer	copyright check?	23:25
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10588 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.4-7.7.5.pl: mysql is wetodded	23:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10589 /WebGUI/t/Macro/GroupAdd.t: Test clean-up for groups and users.	23:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10590 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.4-7.7.5.pl: mysql is wetodded	23:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10591 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: fix wrong quotes in WebGUI.conf.original	23:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10592 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: fix export test	23:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10593 /WebGUI/t/Macro/ (GroupDelete.t GroupAdd.t): More test cleanup for deleting users and groups.	23:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10594 /WebGUI/t/Macro/EditableToggle.t: Test cleanup, and fix a leaky group.	23:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10595 /WebGUI/t/Macro/LoginToggle.t: Remove a leaky group which was never used.	23:26
metanil	Haarg: in webgui.log -> ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for domain.edu	23:26
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10596 /WebGUI/t/Macro.t: Test cleanup for a user and the config file.	23:26
@Haarg	anything else?	23:26
@Haarg	"... title, description, link inherit from asset by default, copyright unset"	23:26
+perlDreamer	i c	23:26
metanil	Haarg: thats only thing i am currently getting.	23:27
* perlDreamer is using 0.36		23:27
+perlDreamer	we need 0.4, don't we?	23:27
@Haarg	yes	23:27
+perlDreamer	fixed	23:28
+perlDreamer	preaction, I'm sorry about those tests that you had to fix	23:30
@preaction	np, i could've fixed them with "usePacked => 0", but i decided to make the tests understand packing	23:30
+perlDreamer	the simple text parser could be replaced with JSON	23:31
+perlDreamer	now that it's part of the core	23:31
@Haarg	simple text parser?	23:32
@preaction	sho nuff	23:32
+perlDreamer	Haarg, in several of the tests that parse HTML (to check the default templates and their operation)	23:33
@Haarg	ah	23:33
+perlDreamer	for more thorough testing, I put in a "text template"	23:33
+perlDreamer	KEYWORD: <tmpl_var keyword>\n	23:33
+perlDreamer	really should have been JSON, since we have a nice parser for it	23:34
+perlDreamer	but those tests predate our usage of JSON	23:35
CIA-38	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rcf2376d / (5 files in 2 dirs): extend help command and help API to be more flexible - http://bit.ly/gQhGU	23:37
CIA-38	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r0e2c565 / lib/WGDev/Command/Commands.pm : adding Commands command to list available commands - http://bit.ly/rxQFL	23:37
CIA-38	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rba8d4bc / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : adding Intro command as quick intro to WGDev - http://bit.ly/14jR9g	23:37
CIA-38	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1f76d26 / ex/Command.pm : update example command for API change - http://bit.ly/Y1xRb	23:37
+perlDreamer	Haarg, what's your opinion of the JSON collateral methods i wrote for the Product Sku?	23:38
+perlDreamer	I have a project where I need them again	23:38
+perlDreamer	and am thinking about WebGUI::JSONCollateral for a top-level Aspect	23:39
+perlDreamer	instead of copy and pasting them	23:39
@Haarg	could be reasonable	23:41
@Haarg	i'm a little confused by the pod using 'table' everywhere though	23:41
@Haarg	seems like it is referring to fields	23:42
+perlDreamer	yeah, that part wasn't easy to document	23:42
+perlDreamer	I was referring to a table as the data structure	23:43
@Haarg	ok	23:43
+perlDreamer	rather than the field, which contains JSON	23:43
+perlDreamer	but in Crud, that distinction is completely hidden	23:43
+perlDreamer	you fill the field with a data structure, which is serialized and deserialized on update	23:43
+perlDreamer	and instanciation	23:43
@Haarg	are you thinking this would be something inheritable by any class?	23:43
+perlDreamer	yes	23:44
@Haarg	as long as it understood get and set?	23:44
+perlDreamer	get and update, yes	23:44
@Haarg	or something like that	23:44
+perlDreamer	yes	23:44
* perlDreamer figures that eventually, all objects will have the same kind of api. get, update, getId, new, create, delete, etc.		23:45
@Haarg	seems like it could work ok	23:45
+perlDreamer	since the code is already in WebGUI, should I RFE the abstraction into its own module, or just do it?	23:45
@Haarg	probably rfe it	23:46
* perlDreamer will file		23:46
@Haarg	be sure to use class::insideout for the cache	23:47
+perlDreamer	if Asset's definition sub understood the serialize keyword, we wouldn't need to cache at all	23:48
+perlDreamer	but that's another RFE :)	23:48
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10597 /WebGUI/t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t: Update test for XML::FeedPP 0.40	23:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10598 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku.pm: fix Sku pulling in wrong i18n labels	23:50
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10599 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: Remove dead code.	23:50
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