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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: You've just been nominated to start the javascript debugging page on the wiki | 00:18 |
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+perlmonkey2 | hah | 00:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | it would be, in totality, use firebug's stepper and put in a ton of trace statements for the console. | 00:20 |
daviddelikat | good advice | 00:22 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: brian * r10097 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.18 release | 00:25 |
SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - Give this one a try, too: http://www.billyreisinger.com/jash/download.html | 00:26 |
+perlmonkey2 | ah, cool, thanks SDuensin | 00:30 |
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+perlmonkey2 | very sweet | 00:30 |
elnino | for those of you who have old servers laying around, may this be of encouragement to you (or a place to donate your machines) I thought this was cool. http://www.extremelinux.info/stonesoup/ | 00:36 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, you are eloquent and tactful. | 00:57 |
@Haarg | thanks | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | When rizen becomes president, you'd better be Secretary of State | 00:59 |
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@Haarg | heh | 01:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: congrats on TPBW | 01:03 |
+patspam | perlmonkey2: thanks man | 01:04 |
+patspam | kinda strange seeing your own face on the site every time you load it up | 01:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh | 01:05 |
+patspam | http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/31/breaking-internet-explorer-81-eagle-eyes-leaked/ | 01:08 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10098 /translations/German/German/Asset_Event.pm: Update from translation server | 01:09 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10099 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server | 01:09 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10100 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10056: YUI javascripts included while adminOff (BNC) | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | man, seems like every time I talk about i18n in IRC that we get a bunch of commits | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | I'll have to do that more often :) | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, the Spanish translation is about to overtake Arabic | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | which will make the top 3 Dutch, German, and Spanish | 01:10 |
+patspam | we need a leaders board | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | it would be nice to have a DataTable in there, so it can be sorted | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | and then some graphing to track progress over time | 01:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | we need to get the Arabic translators and the Spanish translators into a competition. | 01:11 |
@Haarg | i need to get back on the translation project | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | it's no competition, perlmonkey2 | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | the Arabic team haven't done anything in years | 01:12 |
@Haarg | add a bit more motivation for it | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | how would you do that, Haarg? | 01:12 |
@Haarg | karma | 01:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | free swag for the top advanced and most translated? | 01:12 |
@Haarg | well, karma can get you swag | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | the i18n would have to be a 1st class Asset then | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | but... | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | we could also track who makes changes from here on out | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | which would be very nice | 01:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | bart would really love that. | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | especially in light of the recent Polish translation scandal | 01:13 |
+patspam | Polish translation scandal? | 01:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | eh? another i18n scandal? What happened? | 01:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | naughty words slipped in? | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | well, the word on the street is that someone came in and did a bunch of bad translation work | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | they had to restore from SVN | 01:14 |
@Haarg | the plan is to make i18n an asset, have it use git for storage, and have the commits record the author | 01:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | Nie b?d? pisa? naughty i18n s??w w t?umaczeniu. | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | which is another reason for WWN | 01:15 |
@Haarg | if i do it correctly, it won't even need to have the modules on disk. that depends on it being fast enough of course. | 01:18 |
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+perlDreamer | seems like doing the summary calculations across all the languages and namespaces would take a lot of memory | 01:24 |
@Haarg | there would need to be a cache for something like that certainly | 01:26 |
@Haarg | but i don't think it would be significantly worse to calculate than if the files were there | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | probably not | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | just the overhead of the protocol | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | and, wouldn't there need to be some kind of notification if github went down? | 01:28 |
@Haarg | well, it won't be going to a remote repo directly | 01:29 |
@Haarg | there would still be a local repo | 01:29 |
@Haarg | it just wouldn't havea checkout | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | that's true | 01:31 |
@Haarg | i was somewhat demotivated on the whole thing since i couldn't think of a good resolution to the context problem | 01:34 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: brian * r10101 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.18-stable: Release 7.6.18-stable | 01:55 |
+perlDreamer | good job, bpmedley | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | WG releases are not an easy task | 02:03 |
@bpmedley | Thx.. | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | were there any test hiccups? | 02:03 |
@bpmedley | Graham helped quite a bit.. | 02:03 |
@bpmedley | A few.. | 02:04 |
+perlDreamer | anything that I need to watch out for? | 02:04 |
@bpmedley | I initially didn't check the 7.6.18 update in | 02:04 |
@bpmedley | Not that I know of.. | 02:04 |
@bpmedley | Matrix upgrades take a bit of time | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, so does the i18n scanner | 02:05 |
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+perlDreamer | okay, question for the group at large | 02:25 |
+perlDreamer | at last year's WUC I did the Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes talk | 02:25 |
+perlDreamer | this year there will not be a repeat | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | would people be interested in me blogging things as I find them, or should I save them for WUC 2010, in Melbourne? | 02:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: brian * r10102 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.19 dev | 02:30 |
+patspam | perlDreamer: blog em! | 02:40 |
+patspam | we need more wg blog entries outsite of webgui.org and plainblack.com | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | do you blog, patspam? | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | of course, I'll have to come up with something new for the 2010 WUC then... | 02:44 |
+patspam | infrequently.. at patspam.com | 02:45 |
@preaction | WORDPRESS? | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | hey, it's still perl | 02:50 |
@preaction | ... | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | and WebGUI's blogging tools are not first rate | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | no trackbacks | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | no openId | 02:50 |
@preaction | fine then. | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | bpmedley, are we cleared for 7.6.19 dev? | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | iow, is it safe to commit to the 7.6 branch? | 03:02 |
@preaction | why would you ever want to commit to that branch? | 03:03 |
@preaction | the 7.7 branch is where it's AT! | 03:03 |
+perlDreamer | well, bug fixes and stuff | 03:03 |
+perlDreamer | POD docs | 03:03 |
+perlDreamer | new tests | 03:03 |
@preaction | lame | 03:03 |
+perlDreamer | I know, but maintenance is what I do best | 03:03 |
@preaction | can't we just spray an industrial-sized can of RAID in that thing? | 03:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10103 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: Remove a hard coded extra in SQLReport | 03:05 |
+patspam | Parse errors: Bad plan. You planned 21 tests but ran 10637. | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | 10637 tests. That's impressive patspam | 03:07 |
+patspam | heh, not really but it sounds cool | 03:08 |
+patspam | i used wgd to dump a list of survey questions, answers, and expected branch targets to a file, and then generate tests from the file | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | oh, well from there you should be able to calculate a plan then | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | which won't give you that annoying 255 return code | 03:10 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10104 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: backport a fix for a hardcoded extras in SQLReport | 03:36 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10105 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm: Remove hardcoded extras in Shop/Vendor.pm, also an i18n fix. | 03:36 |
@preaction | and once again i get to hate google maps api... | 03:43 |
@preaction | there is no non-obfuscated code to debug with | 03:43 |
@preaction | so "this.Xa" is completely useless to me to debug... | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | I know what "this" is, finally! | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | now, if only I knew what to do with one | 03:51 |
@preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7daa4bb2 this is the code i'm working with | 03:53 |
@preaction | no matter what, the highlighted part always uses the last marker | 03:53 |
@preaction | so instead of "marker" in line 31 being the marker is was created with, the marker ends up being the last marker added to the map | 03:54 |
@preaction | is this because the evaluation of the anon function is deferred? | 03:54 |
+perlDreamer | oh! | 03:57 |
+perlDreamer | I know this one | 03:57 |
+perlDreamer | it's due to the way it binds variables | 03:58 |
@preaction | http://trephine.org/t/index.php?title=JavaScript_loop_closures <- yeah, i found it too | 03:58 |
@preaction | it doesn't get a snapshot | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | right, like it would in perl | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | it's by reference | 03:58 |
@preaction | yeah | 03:58 |
@preaction | but i can force a snapshot using closures | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 03:58 |
@preaction | I would like to know why the yahoo event handler auatomatically fixes this | 04:01 |
@preaction | why and/or how | 04:01 |
@preaction | or maybe it's because I use Yahoo's ability to pass an arbitrary object in | 04:06 |
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@preaction | does anyone have any ideas how i should make the File upload control work with an ajax-grabbed form? | 04:34 |
@preaction | or rather, work without javascript | 04:34 |
@preaction | since it amounts to the same thing | 04:34 |
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+perlmonkey2 | ping | 05:10 |
@preaction | pong | 05:19 |
+perlDreamer | pang | 05:23 |
+perlDreamer | hm, seems like Spectre has been hung up for a while | 05:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10106 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 06:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: fixed AdSku | 06:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: added 'thanks' text after ad to cart | 06:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: cleaned up i18n text | 06:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: moved shop fields to shop tab | 06:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: added AdSku Asset to WebGUI original config file | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | good work, daviddelikat | 06:05 |
daviddelikat | seems like its ready... | 06:05 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10107 /WebGUI/t/User.t: Coverage tests for various User methods. | 06:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10108 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: Add POD to bring POD coverage up to 100% | 06:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10109 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: POD for Keyword module to bring it to 100% coverage. | 07:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10110 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Utility.pm: Fix a POD typo. | 07:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10111 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Account.pm Account/Friends.pm): Fix typos in POD that prevent 100% POD coverage. | 07:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10112 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Cache/FileCache.pm Content/SiteIndex.pm Form/Captcha.pm): Add POD and fix typos to get POD coverage up | 07:00 |
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+perlDreamer | whole lot of POD'ing going on | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | I think I fixed over a dozen modules tonight | 07:17 |
@preaction | nice | 07:24 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, bpmedley: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/running-tests | 07:30 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10113 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix POD typos and add POD to get to 100% POD coverage. | 07:32 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, you still awake? | 07:38 |
@preaction | yessuh massa | 07:38 |
+perlDreamer | can you look at Asset/Redirect.pm, www_edit and tell me if you can see why its subclassed? | 07:38 |
@preaction | i can't see why, no | 07:40 |
+perlDreamer | given the option of writing POD for a duplicate method, or pruning the method... | 07:40 |
+perlDreamer | I'd rather prune it | 07:40 |
@preaction | i say prune it | 07:40 |
@preaction | so, heh, i get to fake a file upload control enough so webgui processes it automatically | 07:42 |
@preaction | and hopefully later i can go back to rewrite the file upload control to be awesome | 07:43 |
elnino | perlDreamer, preaction - just thowing this out there, I didn't look at the code, but I did request the ability to have a redirect return a 301 or a 302. perhaps a reason why it's subclassed? I don't know. I'm going to sleep now. | 07:44 |
@preaction | nope. www_edit doesn't redirect | 07:44 |
@preaction | but enjoy sleep | 07:44 |
+perlDreamer | 34 modules on the wall | 07:45 |
+perlDreamer | 34 modules on the wall | 07:45 |
+perlDreamer | take one down | 07:45 |
+perlDreamer | POD it around | 07:46 |
+perlDreamer | 33 modules on the wall | 07:46 |
elnino | perlDreamer needs sleep me thinks | 07:49 |
+perlDreamer | 'tis true | 07:49 |
+perlDreamer | okay, after Airwolf gets over I'll log off and go to bed. | 07:54 |
+perlDreamer | I can't leave String in the middle of a mission | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'm his wingman | 07:55 |
elnino | I used to love that show! we found it on hulu or something.. ok. I'm going.. bye! | 07:55 |
@preaction | who's string? | 07:55 |
@preaction | who's airwolf? | 07:55 |
@preaction | wtf is this? | 07:55 |
+perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.com/Airwolf | 07:56 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.hulu.com/airwolf | 07:56 |
+perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Airwolf works better :) | 07:57 |
@preaction | ooh nice, Donald Bellisario | 07:57 |
+perlDreamer | between Knight Rider, Magnum P.I. and Airwolf he did pretty well in the 80's | 07:58 |
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@preaction | Quantum Leap was awesome in the 90's | 07:59 |
@preaction | and JAG and NCIS are pretty decent | 07:59 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10114 /WebGUI/t/POD.t: | 08:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add more configuration to the POD coverage test. POD_COVERAGE==2 will check against 100% | 08:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: coverage and emit a list of modules that POD to be covered. | 08:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10115 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Redirect.pm: Remove www_edit. It's the same as Asset's. | 08:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10116 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm: Add missing POD to bring RichEdit up to 100% POD. | 08:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10117 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm: | 08:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Remove another duplicate www_edit method. | 08:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add missing POD. | 08:00 |
@preaction | Did you know? Tom Selleck could have played Indian Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark? | 08:06 |
@preaction | Did you know? WebGUI::Storage also deletes thumbnails just like WebGUI::Storage::Image does! | 08:38 |
@preaction | but it doesn't create them! weird!! | 08:38 |
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+Radix-wrk | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html | 09:20 |
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+perlmonkey2 | I just read on a PHP message board that JT is starting a new project to move wG to PHP. | 16:26 |
+BartJol | april fool | 16:28 |
+BartJol | oh sorry: really perlmonkey2? that seems outragious! | 16:30 |
+perlmonkey2 | Ah, just saw an update. He says it would be easier to get the same effect as PHP by placing random sleep statements in the code, pulling out all the param sanitizing, and having all errors throw either the database error, the database dsn, or send back the actual database file. | 16:30 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10118 /translations/Polish/Polish/ (33 files): Update from translation server | 16:32 |
+MrHairgrease | perlmonke2: url? | 16:34 |
+MrHairgrease | and why are you reading php message boards | 16:34 |
+MrHairgrease | or is that the joke? | 16:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | it is a joke | 16:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | This is April 1st, April Fool's Day. | 16:35 |
* BartJol thinks kaleb tries to secretly reprogram WebGUI to php and will be killed by JT for that | 16:35 | |
+BartJol | slow suicide | 16:36 |
+perlmonkey2 | What would python get me? | 16:36 |
+BartJol | well it will strangle you | 16:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | Did you read about that US governor's website that was erroring and actually posting the database files for anyone to download? | 16:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | PHP of course. | 16:37 |
+BartJol | no, but it's very hard to take you seriously today | 16:38 |
+BartJol | or conficker of course | 16:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh | 16:39 |
+perlmonkey2 | no, that one is true. | 16:39 |
+BartJol | it hasn't bothered me yet, and I do have the redmond virus installed | 16:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | Wait, I think it is a Senate seat actually that is still being contested from the last election. One of their websites exposed all the contributors, supports, basically everything in the DB files. | 16:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: and you survived conficker? I thought it was going to cause MS computers to grow legs and arms and start destroying humanity? | 16:41 |
+BartJol | we all did, a matter of a good network and virus scanner setup | 16:41 |
+BartJol | apparently ours is pretty good | 16:42 |
+BartJol | but who would expect differntly | 16:42 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Mmmmm, baked an apple pie on Monday, now I have breakfast for the rest of the week....yum. | 16:52 |
+BartJol | I'd like a piece please | 16:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | Should I zip it up or fax it? Or send if fedex? | 16:54 |
+BartJol | a tar ball please | 16:55 |
+perlmonkey2 | I wonder how long a styrofoam container and dry ice would last :P | 16:55 |
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+BartJol | perlmonkey2: did you hack JT's account? | 17:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: what would make you think that? | 17:02 |
+BartJol | the last black blog entry | 17:02 |
+BartJol | do you have a testament? | 17:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | That is AWESOME | 17:06 |
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+BartJol | so, who will be killed ritually? | 17:12 |
+Radix_ | WebGUI in PHP.. haven't I seen that before.. like.. every year | 17:13 |
+BartJol | yes | 17:13 |
+Radix_ | You need a new one JT.. like webgui is partnering with oracle and will be written in PL/SQL or something | 17:14 |
+Radix_ | or will be bootstrapped in javascript | 17:15 |
@rizen | i didn't ever write that one before | 17:16 |
@rizen | in fact, i'm pretty sure the only one i've ever written was he one about microsoft buying out plain black | 17:16 |
+Radix_ | I've definitely heard the webgui rewritten in php one before | 17:17 |
@rizen | yeah, that was webphooey | 17:17 |
@rizen | and had nothing to do with me | 17:17 |
@rizen | and didn't come out on april fools | 17:17 |
+MrHairgrease | too bad the webphooey site is gone | 17:17 |
+Radix_ | Ahh k.. | 17:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | That is funny rizen because "(08:26:16 AM) perlmonkey2: I just read on a PHP message board that JT is starting a new project to move wG to PHP." | 17:19 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: and that comment was independent of my blog? | 17:21 |
+BartJol | don't believe him rizen | 17:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: yeah, my RSS updates to your blog are usually a few days delayed for some reason. | 17:21 |
+BartJol | he hacked your account | 17:21 |
@rizen | heh | 17:22 |
+BartJol | built in functionality in survey2.0 | 17:22 |
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@rizen | i wouldn't doubt it | 17:23 |
+MrHairgrease | hey rizen: Joeri gave his ok for me to go to the yapc::eu | 17:23 |
+MrHairgrease | and rory is comming as well | 17:23 |
@rizen | sweet ass sweet | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | coming* | 17:24 |
@rizen | it will be great to see you guys | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | is that your association with us? | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | sweetand ass? | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | well, it'll sure be interesting =) | 17:24 |
@rizen | MrHairgrease: are you saying you don't have a sweet ass? | 17:24 |
+BartJol | yapc 2009: only sweet asses allowed | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | nonono | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | of course I have a sweet ass | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | I just hoped for some recognition on a less banal level | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | but as all eurotrash | 17:26 |
+BartJol | martin is made from sugar! | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | we compensate brainpower with good looks | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | bart | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | terrasje? | 17:26 |
+BartJol | nou | 17:26 |
+BartJol | lekker | 17:27 |
@rizen | i too wish the webphooey site was still around, cuz i would have linked to it in my blog post | 17:27 |
+Radix_ | just make sure you sell MrHairgrease's ass at yapc - they like their auctions there ;) | 17:30 |
+BartJol | sell? buy! | 17:31 |
+Radix_ | heck.. rent it out ;) | 17:31 |
+BartJol | I think Marijn will claim his bottom | 17:33 |
daviddelikat | I was talking to my kids about april fools | 17:33 |
daviddelikat | ive been sharing the linksposted here and other places | 17:34 |
daviddelikat | my middle daughter is on the silly side of gulible | 17:34 |
daviddelikat | when I told here in the dictionary her picture was next to the def for gullible | 17:34 |
daviddelikat | she said 'really?' | 17:34 |
daviddelikat | today I told her I'd get her a hat that said 'A1' on it | 17:35 |
daviddelikat | she said 'why?' | 17:35 |
daviddelikat | I told here 'that's why' | 17:35 |
daviddelikat | she didn't get it... | 17:35 |
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* MrHairgrease doesn't get it either | 18:00 | |
diakopter | A1=April1 | 18:03 |
diakopter | I think | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe it's beacuse I don't hav children | 18:04 |
diakopter | that you know of.. | 18:04 |
+MrHairgrease | what do you know taht I don't? | 18:05 |
diakopter | *nothing* :P | 18:05 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 18:08 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen, you ungrateful nit | 18:19 |
@rizen | huh? | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | now I've gotta change my domain name to phpDreamer | 18:19 |
@rizen | hehe | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | couldn't you have given me more notice about this? | 18:19 |
@rizen | oh, i forgot | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | php eveolved from some perl scripts | 18:19 |
@rizen | well perlmonkey2 has to change his irc nick | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | so you could just use php.perlDreamer | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | and my business cards, business license, 1099's | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | this is a huge amount of work | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | if you were going to change languages, you could have picked something better | 18:20 |
@rizen | you shouldn't have used a name that was so volatile | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | like .NET | 18:20 |
@rizen | that's why i chose plain black, it could be anything at all...a lot like zombo.com | 18:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh | 18:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | phpmonkey2 | 18:20 |
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+MrHairgrease | why not use Logo then... | 18:21 |
@rizen | phpmonkey2: it's more like phpmonkey29393939 | 18:21 |
+MrHairgrease | chances are that your businesscards already have a logo | 18:21 |
+phpmonkey2 | hah | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | the little turtle is so cute | 18:21 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:21 |
+MrHairgrease | but change the turtle for a mousecursor | 18:21 |
+MrHairgrease | and you could take over users' computers | 18:22 |
+MrHairgrease | it's a win ain situation | 18:22 |
+MrHairgrease | win win* | 18:22 |
+MrHairgrease | YOU decide what pages users view | 18:22 |
+MrHairgrease | so you could avoid showing them bugs | 18:22 |
+MrHairgrease | and thus WebGUI has no bug any more effectively | 18:23 |
+MrHairgrease | making it the most bestest CSM in the world. | 18:23 |
+MrHairgrease | is there already a javascript Logo compiler? | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: The Polish translation is taking off! They're up at 40% and climbing steadily | 18:29 |
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+BartJol | mm concurrention | 18:34 |
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@rizen | wahoo! | 18:37 |
@rizen | i like to see that | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | mmmmm Squeeze Bacon: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html?cpg=93T | 18:39 |
+BartJol | well I sincerely believe that that exists | 18:41 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen: like to see what? | 18:42 |
@rizen | translations on the rise | 18:42 |
+BartJol | maybe also more Polish people on the channel | 18:43 |
+BartJol | I need some polish people for rebuilding my house | 18:44 |
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@rizen | i haven't looked at the percentages in a while | 18:46 |
@rizen | the once glorious dutch translation is still the king but has lost some of it's shine | 18:46 |
+BartJol | yeah, well I have to make it special again | 18:47 |
+BartJol | it was lonely at the top | 18:47 |
@rizen | the german translation has pulled ahead of arabic | 18:47 |
+phpDreamer | and spanish is about to overtake arabic, too | 18:47 |
+phpDreamer | Where's Ehab? | 18:47 |
@rizen | and french, spanish, and polish are becoming real contenders | 18:47 |
@rizen | ehab has been out of the game for a while | 18:48 |
@rizen | he doesn't even seem to be keeping up with his businesses anymore | 18:48 |
@rizen | not sure what that's about | 18:49 |
+phpDreamer | that's a bummer | 18:49 |
+phpDreamer | Did you notice Russian? | 18:49 |
+phpDreamer | 36% translated | 18:49 |
@rizen | oh no i didn't see that | 18:49 |
@rizen | very nice | 18:49 |
@rizen | or as borat would say "Thats a neyece" | 18:50 |
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+phpDreamer | maybe we need a sort by percent complete button on the front page | 18:54 |
+BartJol | and the number of years that the dutch translation is on top | 18:54 |
* BartJol is getting arrogant | 18:54 | |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: if I had done my wind turbine in December, I would have averaged enough power put back on the grid to power every house in my neighborhood. | 18:54 |
+phpmonkey2 | up until now. | 18:54 |
+phpDreamer | phpmonkey2: You could have been your own utility! | 18:55 |
+phpDreamer | what happened now? | 18:55 |
+phpDreamer | it stopped blowing? | 18:55 |
+phpDreamer | oh, it started blowing the other way | 18:55 |
+phpmonkey2 | no, 20mph steady with up to 30mph gusts. | 18:55 |
+phpDreamer | which would drain power from your house | 18:55 |
+phpmonkey2 | I'd still be averaging 4.5kw an hour. | 18:55 |
+phpDreamer | phpmonkey2, GO BUY A WELDER! | 18:55 |
+BartJol | phpDreamer: yeah that's the way dynamo's work | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | bart! | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | beertime | 18:56 |
+phpmonkey2 | yeah, I think it's time....If I start now, I can finish just in time for the slow wind season (summer) :P | 18:56 |
+BartJol | finally | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 18:56 |
+MrHairgrease | bye | 18:56 |
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+BartJol | phpmonkey2: is also coming for beer? | 18:56 |
+BartJol | nice | 18:56 |
+phpmonkey2 | I'll fax myself | 18:56 |
+BartJol | see you in half an hour | 18:56 |
+phpmonkey2 | or send myself via tarbal | 18:56 |
+phpmonkey2 | drink a couple for me! | 18:57 |
+BartJol | will do | 18:57 |
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+phpDreamer | we lose more Dutch people at this time of day... | 18:57 |
+phpmonkey2 | they must go to their secret recharging stations. | 18:57 |
+phpmonkey2 | I think they use some sort of biofuel to recharge on created from grains. | 18:58 |
+phpDreamer | isn't there an alcohol based engine? | 19:00 |
+phpDreamer | now that would be a way to defeat the oil monopoly | 19:00 |
+phpmonkey2 | Dutch people? | 19:00 |
+phpDreamer | we already have infrastructure | 19:00 |
+phpmonkey2 | ethanol? | 19:00 |
+phpDreamer | storage and generation | 19:00 |
+phpDreamer | it's carbon neutral | 19:00 |
+phpDreamer | and you can always pick up an extra 6-pack if you're running out on the way home! | 19:01 |
+phpmonkey2 | 40% of the science for doubling li-io batteries energy density is done. If that that other 60% happens, it's all over for oil. | 19:02 |
@tavisto | woohoo WebGUI 8 is going to be in PHP! | 19:02 |
@tavisto | I've been waiting for this for SOOOOOO LONG | 19:02 |
+phpmonkey2 | tavisto: would that make your job easier or harder. You get to say wG is built on the same tech as all the other FOSS CMS's, and don'thave to explain why perl is better anymore. | 19:03 |
+phpDreamer | phpmonkey2, batteries are only for energy storage. You still have to find a way to make the electricity | 19:03 |
@tavisto | YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 19:03 |
+phpmonkey2 | But then you have to explain away all the security issues that will pop up | 19:03 |
* phpDreamer whacks phpmonkey2 with an ethanol powered, wind-filled lithium battery | 19:04 | |
+phpDreamer | there _are_ no security problems with PHP | 19:04 |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: new advances in wind technology coupled with cheap li-io commerical battery storage??? | 19:04 |
+phpDreamer | maybe we need a whole bunch of independently built wind farms | 19:05 |
+phpmonkey2 | kite powered wind turbines that tap the jet stream hold so much promise, it is hard to comprehend. | 19:05 |
@tavisto | hehe | 19:05 |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: naw, using otherpower plans, it still costs a person much more per watt than GE can build them for. | 19:06 |
@tavisto | No, I'm fine with the Perl gig.... I've got the whole response burned into my brain..... "Why does WebGUI use perl???" | 19:06 |
@tavisto | That's when I say.... "Because your mom doesn't love you.. now go away" | 19:06 |
+phpDreamer | phpmonkey2: but then the utility charges you. What's the breakeven point for DIY? | 19:07 |
+phpmonkey2 | tavisto: then when they are broken down and crying, you forge their name on the contract and run? | 19:07 |
@tavisto | I'm like an abusive boyfriend breaking down the CMS potential customer | 19:08 |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: I priced a 3.5Meter turbine, back of envelope, at about $6k. | 19:08 |
@tavisto | I'm the Ike Turner of the CMS sales world | 19:08 |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: that would make the average house in a decent wind zone, neutral on the grid. | 19:08 |
+phpmonkey2 | should average 1kw | 19:08 |
+phpmonkey2 | With my electric bill, I'd be looking at about a 5 year payback. But I have no idea on operating costs. I imagine the biggest deal is bad bearings, which would be a real pain to replace. | 19:10 |
@rizen | hehe. tavisto makes me laugh | 19:10 |
+phpDreamer | tavisto, there are two problems with that | 19:10 |
+phpDreamer | 1) You don't have a Tina | 19:10 |
+phpDreamer | 2) You don't have PHP in your nickname | 19:11 |
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@tavisto | don't need Tina.. Becky is totally hotter | 19:12 |
+phpDreamer | who is Becky? | 19:12 |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: biggest impediment: http://www.inl.gov/wind/photogallery/i/fthall_fmc_8_12_03_1.jpg the 20 meter tower. | 19:13 |
+phpDreamer | yeah, that looks like a problem | 19:14 |
+phpmonkey2 | I'm pricing that as a $2.5k problem, in my calculations. | 19:15 |
+phpmonkey2 | probably way too cheap. | 19:15 |
+phpDreamer | doesn't that push out our break even date, too? | 19:15 |
@tavisto | I wouldn't stoop to that low phpDreamer. Using PHP is like using cigarettes.... everyone is doing it... but everyone is stupid for doing it. ;) | 19:16 |
@tavisto | how about COBOL? I learned that in college.... that's been real beneficial to my career. | 19:18 |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: no, that was part of the $6k. | 19:18 |
* phpizen wishes he could change tavisto's nick for him | 19:18 | |
@tavisto | nooooo!!!! | 19:18 |
@tavisto | how about Fortranisto | 19:18 |
daviddelikat | Cobol? | 19:20 |
daviddelikat | our computer dept patently refused to teach it on the grounds that it is a dead language | 19:20 |
@tavisto | yeah, I learned that in 2001 | 19:20 |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: the 3 phase generator, blades, bearing, and housing, is actually the cheap part. Maybe $1k (I'd have to dig up my docs to make sure). Everything else is steel, steel cable, concrete, and more steel. | 19:20 |
daviddelikat | yet fully half of my income since then was from doing cobol work | 19:20 |
@tavisto | it was part of my CIS program.... which is entirely not focused on programming | 19:21 |
daviddelikat | i wish coporate america would let it die a graceful death | 19:21 |
daviddelikat | rather than make things like OOCobol | 19:21 |
@tavisto | still lots of legacy systems using it. But it was strange.. here I am studying for my 3rd test towards MCSE and I'm learning Cobol | 19:22 |
daviddelikat | you know how people often program in perl even tho they dont know how? | 19:22 |
+phpmonkey2 | My CS dept taught Cobol. But it was taught in a "you must learn everything about this language, so you know its shortcomings and why it is almost never a proper choice." | 19:22 |
daviddelikat | well people who don't kow how to use cobol(like me) make little messes everywhere... | 19:22 |
@tavisto | Good job college curriculum coordinators..... why not teach me zoology while you're at it | 19:23 |
daviddelikat | that build up into systems tht fail consistantly | 19:23 |
daviddelikat | which means we need more cobol programmers to fix them | 19:24 |
daviddelikat | thats capitalism at work! | 19:24 |
daviddelikat | :) | 19:24 |
+phpDreamer | tavisto, are you really studying to be a MCSE? | 19:27 |
@Haarg | http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=754313 talk about building a shipping api to work with any carrier | 19:29 |
daviddelikat | tavisto: are you in a program or going solo? | 19:30 |
@tavisto | dude that was when I was an engineer at Pharmacia (now Pfizer) back in 2001 | 19:30 |
@Haarg | too bad it probably wouldn't be complete soon enough for us to use if it does get built | 19:31 |
+phpDreamer | maybe we should build it | 19:31 |
@tavisto | we rolled W2k desktop images out to 55,000 employees across 60 countries | 19:31 |
@tavisto | by the time we were halfway done.. people already wanted newer OS :) | 19:31 |
@tavisto | daviddelikat, we had a group of us studying and then they sent us to bootcamp | 19:32 |
@tavisto | which was stupid since many of the guys were 1 or 2 tests in | 19:32 |
daviddelikat | I'v thought about going for MCSE but since I barely have time to do what I have to do now, it seems more prudent to work at finding income rather than looking for 'outgo' oportunities... | 19:34 |
+phpDreamer | income vs outcome | 19:36 |
@Haarg | all of the web services we integrate with in shop would be good candidates to make cpan modules out of, it just depends on how much time we want to spend on doing so | 19:38 |
+phpDreamer | Vendor Payout is 7.7 only? | 19:39 |
+phpDreamer | looks that way | 19:40 |
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+phpmonkey2 | hah | 19:43 |
* phpDreamer is glad phpizen didn't choose Haskell for wG8 | 19:43 | |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: why? | 19:43 |
@phpaction | or Erlang? | 19:43 |
+phpmonkey2 | that would have been hard to tell if it was a joke :P | 19:43 |
@phpaction | i think Lisp is the only logical choice really | 19:44 |
+phpDreamer | Scheme | 19:44 |
+phpDreamer | .net | 19:44 |
+phpDreamer | Ada | 19:44 |
+phpmonkey2 | Java | 19:44 |
+phpDreamer | javascript | 19:44 |
@PHPaarg | cmd batch script | 19:44 |
+phpDreamer | Befunge | 19:44 |
+phpmonkey2 | If wG was to switch languages, there are what, two choices? | 19:46 |
+phpmonkey2 | Python and Perl6? | 19:46 |
@PHPaarg | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10064 i'm not sure about this bug. initially preload.custom was meant for apache preloading, thus the name. but it does cause problems that the utility scripts don't all use it. | 19:46 |
@PHPaarg | upgrade.pl does now, because otherwise there is a good chance of breaking things | 19:47 |
@PHPaarg | also, copying and pasting the code to deal with it into a bunch of scripts obviously isn't ideal | 19:49 |
@PHPaarg | seems almost like preload.custom should be part of the wre, not webgui itself | 19:49 |
+phpDreamer | PHPaarg, what I don't get about 10064 is that Spectre uses only 2-3 modules. Everything else it dispatches back to WebGUI. | 19:50 |
@PHPaarg | yeah, i'm not sure what modifications to spectre would be done | 19:51 |
@PHPaarg | it doesn't have any plugin points | 19:51 |
+phpDreamer | also, if custom.preload were part of the wre, it wouldn't work with source instals | 19:54 |
+phpDreamer | or distribution packages | 19:54 |
@PHPaarg | seems like that should be part of the environment though | 19:55 |
@PHPaarg | adding paths to PERL5LIB accomplishes about the same thing | 19:55 |
+phpDreamer | true | 19:56 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10119 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a gateway URL issue with the Vendor Payout js. | 19:59 |
+phpDreamer | phphao, you're getting a little schizo, there | 20:01 |
phphao | just a little? | 20:03 |
+phpDreamer | well, it's only 1 other identity | 20:04 |
+phpmonkey2 | showSummary returns the current responses summary for the entire response, if no address is passed in, or just the section addressed by $sectionAddress. | 20:09 |
+phpmonkey2 | For each section, the total correct, wrong, and points are returned. And each question is listed with the text, given score, user response, and if it was correct. This list is meant for a template and only what is needed should be shown. | 20:09 |
+phpmonkey2 | Hmm, maybe throw in time taken per section and total time taken? | 20:10 |
+phpDreamer | phpmonkey2: is it JSON data? | 20:11 |
+phpmonkey2 | phpDreamer: no, this will be returning a hash meant to be fed to a template. | 20:11 |
+phpDreamer | in that case, I'd say the more data the merrier | 20:11 |
+phpDreamer | until the point it bogs down | 20:11 |
+phpmonkey2 | :D | 20:11 |
+phpmonkey2 | you can never have too much datas in the internests | 20:12 |
+phpDreamer | and don't forget the template variable help | 20:12 |
+phpmonkey2 | da helps | 20:13 |
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+phpDreamer | tavisto, here's another rabbit trail to chase down: fossfor.us | 20:21 |
+phpDreamer | they don't have a CMS category yet | 20:21 |
+phpDreamer | but maybe they'd start one for you | 20:21 |
+phpDreamer | seems more geared at desktop use, but who knows | 20:21 |
+phpDreamer | hey, SynQ's the new PBWG | 20:24 |
@tavisto | DUDE | 20:25 |
@tavisto | WebGUI 8 Going PHP actually got picked up as a legit news story!!! | 20:26 |
+phpDreamer | where? | 20:26 |
+phpDreamer | linkage, dude | 20:26 |
@tavisto | http://www.webgui.org/news/webgui-8-goes-php | 20:27 |
+phpDreamer | oy | 20:28 |
@tavisto | that's not cool at all | 20:28 |
+phpDreamer | no | 20:29 |
+phpDreamer | you're no stranger to love, tavisto | 20:29 |
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+phpDreamer | I don't know that this guy is smoking: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10081 | 20:30 |
@tavisto | I got nothin | 20:30 |
+phpDreamer | You know the rules, and so do I | 20:31 |
+phpDreamer | in javascript, does : quote the left operator by default? | 20:36 |
+phpDreamer | or am I getting confused by JSON? | 20:36 |
@PHPaarg | it doesn't quote it exactly | 20:44 |
@PHPaarg | but when defining an object, quotes can be eliminated for the keys as long as they are word characters | 20:45 |
@PHPaarg | defining an object using { key : "value" } form | 20:45 |
@PHPaarg | that's not valid json though | 20:46 |
+phpDreamer | okay, that's what I thought | 20:47 |
+phpDreamer | thanks, PHPaarg | 20:47 |
@tavisto | I just want to tell you how I'm feeling.... | 20:51 |
@tavisto | want to make you... understand... | 20:51 |
+phpDreamer | ah, followup post to 10081 makes more sense now | 21:05 |
+phpDreamer | s/Asset/Form/g | 21:05 |
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@tavisto | I knew you'd come back Rizen | 21:35 |
+phpDreamer | Noooo!!!! | 21:35 |
+phpDreamer | PHP Forever | 21:35 |
* phpDreamer goes swimming, since running is only for perl hackers | 21:42 | |
@tavisto | punk | 21:43 |
deafferret | PHP can have running | 21:55 |
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phphao | phpaction, is wg 8 using couchdb? | 22:16 |
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eternaluxe | This is probably an apache conf issue, but... www.mywebsite.com loads the default apache2 page. www.mywebsite.com/webgui loads webgui home page. How can I get to the webgui home page just by using my fqdn? | 22:23 |
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* phpDreamer is back | 23:40 | |
+phpDreamer | phear my awesome fitness power | 23:40 |
+phpDreamer | (now where did I place that DragonBall)? | 23:41 |
elnino | whoa why do I have 16 wremonitors running? weird never saw that before. | 23:43 |
@tavisto | yeah you're right, you should only have 15! | 23:52 |
elnino | =) | 23:53 |
elnino | I think my computer is playing a april fools on me. | 23:53 |
@tavisto | sounds like it | 23:54 |
elnino | I kill them. All is well. No errors very strange. will keep monitoring that's forsure. | 23:54 |
+phpDreamer | elnino, any concerns about WebGUI 8 being in PHP? | 23:55 |
+phpDreamer | it should fix our hosting issues | 23:55 |
@tavisto | I have grave concerns | 23:55 |
@tavisto | when perlDreamer finds out you are copying his name.. you are in big trouble | 23:56 |
elnino | and how do you think that will fix your hosting issues? ;p | 23:56 |
+phpDreamer | well, cheap hosting for wG will be available anywhere | 23:57 |
elnino | oh ok. | 23:57 |
elnino | because php is free? | 23:57 |
elnino | and perl is not? | 23:57 |
+phpDreamer | because php hosters are cheap | 23:57 |
+phpDreamer | do you think there are a bunch of Drupal people who are joking about switching to Perl right now? | 23:58 |
@tavisto | yeah, they have a product called Druperl | 23:58 |
elnino | perhaps. =) | 23:58 |
@tavisto | It's been out for awhile, check it out at http://www.webgui.org/news/webgui-8-goes-php | 23:59 |
elnino | I really think should change your name back. it's giving me the creaps. | 23:59 |
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elnino | s/creaps/creeps | 00:00 |
elnino | or crepes | 00:00 |
elnino | =) | 00:00 |
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+phpDreamer | speaking of crepes, I made these really good pumpkin cinnamon rolls a few weeks back | 00:02 |
elnino | ooh. that's sounds good. You must think I cook alot. I only dream of doing that. | 00:04 |
elnino | I do make pumpkin pie all year round. is that close? | 00:05 |
elnino | I see perlmonkey2 is back. yeah! | 00:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | back in plain black. | 00:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | just need the AC/DC music. | 00:08 |
+phpDreamer | elnino, cooking or eating, it makes no difference | 00:13 |
+phpDreamer | important javascript safety tip, perlmonkey2 | 00:16 |
+phpDreamer | the <script> tag will not close itself | 00:16 |
+perlmonkey2 | where do you see that? | 00:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | I thought all my js was in js files? | 00:17 |
+phpDreamer | in my code :( | 00:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | JS in templates? | 00:17 |
+phpDreamer | only a little bit | 00:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | stupid script tag.....it really should know to close itself. | 00:18 |
+phpDreamer | indeed | 00:18 |
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+phpDreamer | I think I just wrote a constructor. | 00:45 |
+phpDreamer | in javascript | 00:45 |
elnino | yeah preaction is back. | 00:45 |
+phpDreamer | and it may even work | 00:45 |
+phpDreamer | it can't be | 00:46 |
+phpDreamer | somebody kick me out of the channel, I'm dreaming! | 00:46 |
+phpDreamer | anybody seen phpspam today? | 00:52 |
-!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: [ 7.6.18-stable | WRE 0.9.1 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | 01:07 | |
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+phpDreamer | good news, patspam | 01:32 |
+phpDreamer | WebGUI 8 will be written in PHP | 01:32 |
+phpDreamer | JT is selling Plain Black to SynQ, and is moving to Tahiti where he'll be selling wooden idols | 01:32 |
+patspam | damn i was hoping JT would choose lisp | 01:33 |
+phpDreamer | as the new owner of PB, that was SynQ's call | 01:33 |
@tavisto | phpDreamer! | 01:45 |
+phpDreamer | yes, tavisto? | 01:45 |
@tavisto | dude you better run... I heard perlDreamer is going to be in here soon... and he's going to murder you | 01:45 |
+phpDreamer | is april 1 over now? | 01:46 |
+patspam | sadly yes, over here at least | 01:47 |
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elnino | perlDreamer is back! | 01:59 |
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elnino | Haarg is back! | 02:08 |
@Haarg | indeed | 02:08 |
elnino | do you watch SG atlantis? | 02:08 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 02:10 |
+perlDreamer | well, used to before it ended | 02:10 |
elnino | Haarg just reminded me of the episode of when Ronin made note that Tielk (special appearance from SG-1) said "indeed" alot. | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | I think that SG is the reason we all say "indeed" | 02:13 |
elnino | indeed... lol. | 02:13 |
elnino | I'm going to go cook food now. Bye! | 02:13 |
@Haarg | i thought i was going insane there for a bit, then finally figured out my problem | 02:17 |
@Haarg | apparently setting things in %ENV in mod_perl doesn't set the environment for subcommands | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | huh? | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | if you set %ENV for a process | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | and invoke a subprocess | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | you get the original ENV? | 02:22 |
@Haarg | i get the env of the terminal i started apache with | 02:22 |
@Haarg | where %ENV has all the CGI stuff | 02:23 |
@Haarg | this is going to be extremely annoying to work around :/ | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | what're you trying to do? | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | Would it be easier in PHP? ;) | 02:34 |
@Haarg | i'm using a module i didn't write that depends on being able to set env variables | 02:34 |
@Haarg | the two options i can think of are tieing %ENV to something so when it sets things i can call $r->subprocess_env->set() for everything | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | what about using a different module? | 02:36 |
@Haarg | or rewriting Session::Env to not use ENV directly and instead manually map things to apache's api | 02:36 |
@Haarg | this is for interfacing with Git. i'm pretty sure i don't have other options | 02:37 |
@Haarg | although i could just not use the module at all | 02:37 |
@Haarg | i'd have to write a bunch of io code though that i would rather avoid | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | what about altering the module so that it doesn't need %ENV? | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | you might be doing other people a favor, although it could be a lot of work | 02:39 |
@Haarg | well, that's what i'll be doing for now i guess | 02:43 |
* perlDreamer goes to dinner | 03:16 | |
+perlDreamer | bpmedley, Haarg: several tests are failing in the 7.7 branch | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | might want to schedule some extra time tracking things down in there | 03:16 |
@Haarg | ok, thanks | 03:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10120 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Cart.t: | 03:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Shipper is no longer checked by readyForCheckout. Update | 03:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: test to follow. | 03:24 |
diakopter | Haarg: tie %ENV to use Session stowage? (and always use the same sessionid) | 03:28 |
diakopter | ? | 03:28 |
@Haarg | not really possible | 03:29 |
@Haarg | to get env to work as expected for that, it either needs to call subprocess_env->set for anything modified in it | 03:30 |
@Haarg | or it needs to not have mod_perl messing with it | 03:30 |
@Haarg | to get mod_perl to not mess with it, it would need to use the SetHandler modperl instead of SetHandler perl-script | 03:31 |
diakopter | tie env globally before apache forks... | 03:31 |
@Haarg | which means all of the cgi variables don't get set | 03:31 |
@Haarg | and since they are used, we'd need to provide an alternate api for them | 03:32 |
@Haarg | what would the tie be doing? | 03:32 |
diakopter | as long what's stored is serializable/freezable/marshallable, keep a structured text version in a temp file somewhere... or even in an apache server var | 03:36 |
@Haarg | of what data? | 03:36 |
diakopter | whatever is/will be in %ENV | 03:37 |
diakopter | strings only, I guess | 03:37 |
@Haarg | it isn't an issue of storing the information | 03:38 |
@Haarg | it's an issue of modifying it | 03:38 |
@Haarg | the cgi variables aren't available until after mod_perl plays with ENV | 03:39 |
@Haarg | and once it has played with ENV, it can't be put back to it's original behavior | 03:39 |
diakopter | if %ENV is tied before apache2 [pre]forks, all the children will look to a copy of the same tied hash, which (if your tie interface is implemented correctly) could pull from the proper place. | 03:40 |
@Haarg | what is the proper place? | 03:40 |
@Haarg | i'm not clear which side of the issue you are trying to resolve | 03:41 |
@Haarg | the issue of not being able to set things in the environment, or the issue of not having access to the CGI variables | 03:42 |
diakopter | the tied hash knows the pid of each var that's set... if a process requests a key of %ENV that was set by the parent process, it uses that one... otherwise it uses the initial set | 03:42 |
diakopter | the former | 03:42 |
diakopter | I'm just describing a way to implement a data structure shared by concurrent processes, with a bit of overriding/inheritance. | 03:43 |
diakopter | using tie from the initial/master process | 03:43 |
@Haarg | there's nothing really about the initial process i care about, and no sharing between apache processes involved | 03:44 |
diakopter | once the subprocesses are invoked, their %ENV would need to be tied to use the same logic | 03:44 |
@Haarg | the issue is that inside mod_perl, %ENV no longer represents the environment. | 03:44 |
@Haarg | so i could either force writes to %ENV also change the environment | 03:45 |
@Haarg | or i could get mod_perl to not mess with %ENV | 03:46 |
diakopter | I don't think you're understanding my suggested solution... I'm suggesting redirecting all STORE/FETCH to/from %ENV in all these processes to a shared data structure that's smart enough to understand the parent process logic I mentioned. You don't see how that's a possible 3rd solution other than the 2 you mentioned? | 03:48 |
@Haarg | i don't have any control over the sub process | 03:48 |
@Haarg | it isn't part of mod_perl | 03:48 |
@Haarg | it's just an executable | 03:48 |
diakopter | oh; it's not a .pl script? | 03:49 |
@Haarg | nope | 03:49 |
diakopter | if not, create a wrapper .pl script that constructs the %ENV appropriately. | 03:49 |
diakopter | or set the env in the command line | 03:49 |
diakopter | (send it through bash) | 03:50 |
@Haarg | i don't have control over the command line either | 03:50 |
@Haarg | i'm using a module that wraps calls to executables | 03:50 |
@Haarg | and it doesn't provide full control over the command line, because the whole point is that it is an abstraction layer | 03:51 |
diakopter | ok, so this module is loaded in mod_perl. I guess it needs monkey-patching... | 03:51 |
@Haarg | yeah | 03:52 |
@Haarg | best alternative option is to tie ENV so it modifies the real environment | 03:52 |
diakopter | what command line wrapper module is this? | 03:52 |
@Haarg | Git | 03:52 |
@Haarg | i may try to write a tie interface to deal with the issue, but it seems likely it will be annoying to do | 03:53 |
@Haarg | so i'm just modifying the module for now | 03:54 |
diakopter | I don't see how that could work... (modifying the master apache process' env)... I doubt that would affect new subprocesses of apache | 03:54 |
@Haarg | i don't need to modify the master apache process's env | 03:54 |
diakopter | you're referring to what "real environment"? (Sorry I'm slow :() | 03:55 |
@Haarg | the environment that gets passed to all sub-processes and can be modified using export in bash or %ENV in perl | 03:56 |
diakopter | I thought the problem was that, once spawned, a mod_perl child process | 03:57 |
diakopter | 's subprocesses would use the original %ENV | 03:57 |
@Haarg | the problem is that the environment that gets passed to sub-processes is usually available and modifiable through %ENV | 03:58 |
@Haarg | in mod_perl, it disconnects that variable from the low level environment stuff | 03:58 |
diakopter | right | 03:58 |
diakopter | my question was | 03:58 |
@Haarg | so you can't use it to pass things to the sub-processes | 03:58 |
diakopter | how will you do that | 03:58 |
diakopter | if you can't use perl | 03:58 |
@Haarg | apache has a separate api for it | 03:58 |
diakopter | ok, it wasn't clear to me that you meant "use apache's api to define the subprocess' env" by "tie ENV so it modifies the real environment" | 04:01 |
@Haarg | yeah, i should have been a bit more clear | 04:08 |
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+patspam | perlDreamer: trunk r10081 gives me segfaults | 04:13 |
+patspam | probably because i need to upgrade clone | 04:14 |
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* diakopter was getting segfaults too | 04:23 | |
diakopter | (until upgrading Clone) | 04:23 |
+patspam | yupyup, upgrading clone fixed it | 04:25 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10121 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made Survey branch expressions eval in safe compartment | 05:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10122 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 05:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Rewrote Survey gotoExpression tests now that we have perl power in | 05:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: expressions | 05:25 |
@Haarg | this env thing is really annoying. using subprocess_env doesn't even work the way i'm using it, it may only apply when you use apache's api to run sub processes. | 05:25 |
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elnino | hi! I've just completed moving about 10 sites to a new machine with a new ip address. | 06:29 |
elnino | but I'm getting Visitor (1) connecting from 67.223.227.84 attempted to make a Spectre cron job runner request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 127.0.0.1/32,66.240.210.87/32,127.0.0.1/32. | 06:29 |
elnino | I've set the ip address correctly, so my question is, are these left over crons that have the old ip address recorded somehere? | 06:30 |
elnino | should I temporarily allow the old IP address? | 06:30 |
elnino | NEVERMIND figured it out | 06:34 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10123 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: Fix POD errors. | 07:12 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10124 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Fix POD errors. | 07:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10125 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.t: Update this test to work with the new RSS Aspect. | 08:13 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10126 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: Fix module name for RDF generation. | 08:13 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10127 /WebGUI/www/extras/VendorPayout/vendorPayout.js: Fix more gateway errors in URLs | 08:13 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10128 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm: Removing debug code. | 08:13 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10129 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Improved Survey validation messages | 08:13 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10130 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Document the newer version of Clone required for 7.7.2 in the gotchas.txt file. | 08:13 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10131 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Further improved Survey validation checking | 09:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10132 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed SurveyJSON->questions which was short-changing getGotoTargets | 09:16 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10133 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_GalleryAlbum.pm Asset_Post.pm): Update from translation server | 15:09 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10134 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_Navigation.pm: Update from translation server | 15:09 |
+BartJol | he? | 15:09 |
+MrHairgrease | it wasn't you? | 15:10 |
+BartJol | nope | 15:10 |
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+BartJol | strange, but I don't see bs translations | 15:11 |
+MrHairgrease | bs? | 15:14 |
+BartJol | bullshit | 15:14 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 15:15 |
+MrHairgrease | that's probably because nowhere in the i18n message cow's excrement is being mentioned | 15:16 |
+BartJol | well, someone did put in a porn link a time ago | 15:16 |
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SynQ | hi there | 17:21 |
+MrHairgrease | hey Koen! | 17:21 |
SynQ | I'm looking for an affordable remote support solution | 17:22 |
SynQ | that works | 17:22 |
SynQ | like www.gotoassist.com | 17:22 |
SynQ | but better/different/cheaper | 17:23 |
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SynQ | Tavis brother | 17:26 |
@tavisto | Hey SynQ, how are you? | 17:26 |
SynQ | I'm featured :) | 17:26 |
@tavisto | yessir, I like the view from your office | 17:27 |
SynQ | nice and light | 17:27 |
SynQ | it is my home office | 17:27 |
@tavisto | it's about time you were PBWG. I was able to dodge the bullet for awhile too :) | 17:27 |
SynQ | hehe | 17:27 |
SynQ | now I'm going to ask for a PBWG lounge at the WUC ;) | 17:28 |
@tavisto | haha good idea! | 17:28 |
SynQ | a restricted are members only | 17:28 |
@tavisto | or a badge on your ribbon | 17:28 |
SynQ | indeed | 17:28 |
SynQ | you should be able to spend your karma at the wuc too | 17:29 |
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@tavisto | I think under the revised Karma system, this is possible | 17:31 |
SynQ | oeh wow | 17:31 |
@tavisto | that's a good point and I will check on that | 17:31 |
SynQ | have you implemented any shops recently? | 17:31 |
@tavisto | I think it's 10,000 = a free 12oz beer | 17:31 |
@tavisto | :) | 17:31 |
SynQ | 10K | 17:32 |
SynQ | 10K = 100 dollars worth of swag on the site | 17:32 |
@tavisto | SynQ, it's inflation.. I'm sorry. Your government keeps printing Karma and going further into debt | 17:32 |
SynQ | hehe | 17:32 |
@tavisto | ;) | 17:32 |
@tavisto | but that's an excellent point about using Karma AT the WUC to get stuff | 17:33 |
SynQ | the JT Jevarra dictatorship | 17:33 |
@tavisto | books/t=shirts, etc.. | 17:33 |
@tavisto | Maybe we should also let people buy stuff with Karma a week before the WUC and then we can have it ready for pickup at the WUC too | 17:34 |
@tavisto | (that might help prevent us from running out of stuff) | 17:34 |
SynQ | which saves on shipping | 17:34 |
@tavisto | exactly, except the books will include it -- at least domestically | 17:34 |
@tavisto | it'll be much cheaper than the international rates though | 17:35 |
@tavisto | SynQ, how do you think that we could make the install process of WebGUI easier? Do you think that it's easy enough right now? | 17:35 |
SynQ | that's a 2 hour discussion question | 17:36 |
SynQ | I don't have that time now | 17:36 |
SynQ | but to the second question I would say 'no' now | 17:37 |
@tavisto | Well to start I want to keep it high level. But when you get a chance, I think we need to put some minds together and see how it can be improved | 17:37 |
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SynQ | tavisto: good plan | 17:38 |
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SynQ | we have just scheduled a WebGUI drink over here | 17:38 |
SynQ | perhaps we could try and get a livelink to the USA | 17:38 |
SynQ | video conference or something | 17:39 |
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@tavisto | TechRepublic.com was going to showcase WebGUI on their site as a "featured CMS product" but he's encountered a ton of install issues. (Mainly related to the fact that he already has Apache & MySQL on his server) | 17:39 |
SynQ | tavis: PB uses webex right? | 17:39 |
@tavisto | Yes SynQ, we can video conference as I have both Skype and Adobe Connect | 17:40 |
SynQ | are you satisfied with webex? | 17:40 |
@tavisto | Anyway, Doug asked some good questions and these are ones that I have asked in the past when people have told me the installation is often times too difficult | 17:40 |
@tavisto | However, our developers are so used to the system that they aren't objective or a good representation of a new user who's trying to install WebGUI. | 17:41 |
@tavisto | We use Adobe Connect, which is a cheaper service than WebEX | 17:42 |
SynQ | ah | 17:42 |
@tavisto | Seems to work well and is only $400/year | 17:42 |
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SynQ | ok | 17:43 |
@tavisto | Anyway, I think there is great value in getting some smart people together and trying to streamline the install process. (or atleast the documentation to make it easier) | 17:43 |
SynQ | I'm looking for a remote support tool | 17:43 |
SynQ | not so much a web-communication too | 17:43 |
SynQ | tool | 17:43 |
@tavisto | We used to use Gotomeeting and that was awesome | 17:44 |
SynQ | gotomeeting is citrix based | 17:44 |
SynQ | right? | 17:44 |
@tavisto | It wasn't cross-browser supported though so we switched | 17:44 |
@tavisto | Yes | 17:44 |
@tavisto | They have a GoToAssist product for remote support | 17:44 |
SynQ | indeed | 17:45 |
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@tavisto | er wait.. sorry not cross-browser, but the supported OS was only Windows for the small business package. You have to pay a lot more to get Mac and Linux support | 17:45 |
SynQ | ah | 17:46 |
SynQ | that is important indeed | 17:46 |
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@tavisto | Welcome to the #WebGUI IRC channel perlDreamer. How may I help you? | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | You can tell SynQ that he rocks! | 19:13 |
@tavisto | I am sorry, but that does not computer. Need input. | 19:14 |
@tavisto | er.. compute | 19:14 |
deafferret | stupid bot :( | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: reboot and resync with channel | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: prepare for firmware upgrade | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop: thanks for your wiki spam clean-up | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | I thought I was the only person doing that | 19:16 |
@tavisto | I also go through when I can and delete wiki junk | 19:20 |
@tavisto | I noticed it starting to build up about 6 months ago | 19:21 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i'm adding a session parameter to exportAssetCollateral | 19:21 |
@Haarg | to pass the 'reporting' session so it can output the status messages | 19:22 |
@Haarg | probably just going to add it as an optional third parameter | 19:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10136 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): RssFeed fixes and cleanups | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, still getting two failures for assetExport | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | they're related to the files that are created during export | 19:39 |
@Haarg | ah, forgot to fix that one | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | I worked on that one a little last night | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | the exporter does not know that the RSS and Atom files get created | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | so if you add them to the list of created files | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | then the count will be off | 19:39 |
@Haarg | still need to check/fix the upgrade script as well | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | I can take on the test if you want to do that | 19:40 |
@Haarg | that would be great | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | this is not a robust test | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | but it's passing now :) | 19:52 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, I also removed the TEST_POD environment variable for POD.t, so it runs all the time now | 19:54 |
@Haarg | cool | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | now the only test that is guarded by an environment variable is i18n/critic_labels.t | 19:54 |
@Haarg | nice | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | did you see my other tweak to that? | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | if POD_COVERAGE==2, it will tell you what subs need POD | 19:55 |
@Haarg | yeah | 19:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10137 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: Account for asset collateral in generated files for the AssetExportHtml test. | 19:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10138 /WebGUI/t/POD.t: POD.t should be run all the time, as well. | 19:55 |
@Haarg | i was thinking though | 19:56 |
@Haarg | if you don't run with -v, that information doesn't show anyway | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | not in prove | 19:56 |
@Haarg | so wouldn't it make sense to show it all the time? | 19:56 |
@Haarg | if the tests fail, might as well tell people why | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | how would it need to be output in order to do that? | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | it would have to be built into the test comments | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | rather than diag output | 19:57 |
@Haarg | what i mean is, why only show that information for POD_COVERAGE==2? | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | oh, it also changes the threshold to 100% | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | you and I had set a threshold of 75% being acceptable for POD | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | this tells you everything that needs POD | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | but there's no reason it couldn't output what needs POD for either threshold | 19:58 |
@Haarg | that's what i was thinking | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | okay, that's committed | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | 52 modules need more POD | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | make that 51 | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | make that 47 | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | 46 | 20:12 |
@tavisto | hmm... Haarg, I've got an email asking me what the requirements are for an ISP/hosting company to run WebGUI. I pointed them to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/system-requirements and they responded and said that they are still having a hard time finding the precise info for the server-requirements for the ISP/hosting company. As long as they have root access to the server, they can install the WRE and all pre-requisites | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, are they asking for hardware specs? | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | disk space, processor, memory? | 20:15 |
@tavisto | no it looks like they're looking for a list of software prerequisites to ask their hosting company about | 20:17 |
+perlDreamer | inside the WebGUI source, there's a script called testEnvironment.pl | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | it has a complete list of all software version of perl modules required for WebGUI. | 20:18 |
@tavisto | that's why I'm rather confused. Unless they are saying they want to know the individual prerequisite stuff inside the WRE | 20:18 |
@tavisto | alright, I'll include that as well | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | but the WRE specs would be more complete, with perl, mysql, ImageMagick, Apache, etc. | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, it's possible that we really need such a document, so this is good stuff | 20:19 |
@tavisto | Yeah, he mentions he found the specific requirements for the WRE but then wanted to know about the hosting company. So maybe I need to clarify the way that the WRE works. | 20:20 |
@tavisto | thanks perlDreamer | 20:20 |
* perlDreamer bows | 20:20 | |
+perlDreamer | 44 modules, but it gets sticky from here on out. | 20:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10139 /WebGUI/t/POD.t: | 20:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Output subroutines missing POD regardless of coverage threshold. | 20:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fix the threshold to work correctly based on ENV. | 20:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10140 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Donation.pm: Fix a POD typo. | 20:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10141 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm: Add missing POD for www_edit to Shelf. | 20:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10142 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix POD typos | 20:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10143 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/Cash.pm: Remove an empty sub stub. | 20:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10144 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (EventManagementSystem.pm Folder.pm Survey.pm): Fix broken POD, and add missing POD. | 20:37 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, with the change to Collaboration.t, there's an extra test | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | but it's a duplicate of one above it | 20:45 |
@Haarg | hm | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | nuke it? | 20:45 |
@Haarg | sure | 20:45 |
@Haarg | missed that when merging | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | another question? | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | in SyndicatedContent, you added scalar before the $feed and $object calls | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | but the docs for XML::FeedPP say they're already scalars (title, link, etc.) | 20:49 |
@Haarg | they do return; if the value doesn't exist | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 20:51 |
@Haarg | was rather confusing when we first saw the problems with that. titles showing up as 'javascript'. | 20:59 |
+perlDreamer | test suite is running clean, with the exception of NotifyAboutLowStock | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | which means the test is broken, or some other test is leaking | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | it runs clean after a db reset | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | so I'm guessing that something is leaking Skus | 21:00 |
diakopter | Sku is mentioned in AssetAspect/Comments.pm | 21:13 |
diakopter | not sure why | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | It originally came out of the Bazaar, iirc | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | but that doesn't mean that the class name should still be BazaarItem :) | 21:16 |
diakopter | does that mean it should be changed? (but I guess it couldn't be the Sku leak source since that class doesn't even exist?) | 21:29 |
diakopter | (or does it?) | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | it's not | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | the test isn't failing consistently, which means that there's either a bug in the activity, or the test is bad | 21:34 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10145 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.t: Remove a duplicate test. | 22:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10146 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.pm: Fix POD copy/paste problems. | 22:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10147 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutLowStock.pm: Backport POD copy/paste fix. | 22:02 |
+perlDreamer | how much trouble will I get into if I run perltidy on the SQLReport? | 22:22 |
diakopter | deep? har. | 22:23 |
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diakopter | CIA-38: be more frequent | 22:43 |
@preaction | heh | 22:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: diakopter * r10148 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): During 7.7.2 upgrade, adding routines to unlink unused .pm and correctly port over rss item limit. | 22:51 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: diakopter * r10149 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.1-7.7.2.pl: catch one more upgrade/porting case | 22:51 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: diakopter * r10150 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.1-7.7.2.pl: <sigh/> fixing my flub. nothing to see here. | 22:51 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: here's an idea for a test... check for orphaned i18n labels... labels defined in the i18n hashes but not accessed by anything. I bet there's oodles. if that test doesn't exist. | 22:59 |
@preaction | the test would also have to check ^International() in templates | 23:10 |
@preaction | but that seems completely do-able | 23:10 |
diakopter | non-existant - spello | 23:11 |
diakopter | don't remember where I saw it :) | 23:11 |
diakopter | oh, syntaxos: and it's contents and from it's storage | 23:12 |
diakopter | POD I'm sure | 23:12 |
diakopter | anyone: is there an asset method to trash an asset, but preserve any children it may have by promoting them up a level? | 23:17 |
diakopter | (well, really, purge) | 23:18 |
diakopter | I need to purge any/all the RSSFromParent assets, but it's possible that someone has put other assets under it (by pasting, I guess), and I don't want to purge their stuff | 23:19 |
@Haarg | no, but i don't think you need to worry about that | 23:20 |
* diakopter takes your word for it. | 23:20 | |
diakopter | :P | 23:20 |
@Haarg | what do you have for that so far? because i was working on the same problem | 23:20 |
diakopter | for that method? or just deleting assets of a certain class | 23:21 |
@Haarg | for whatever you are adding to the upgrade script | 23:21 |
diakopter | heh, sec | 23:22 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/89411 | 23:23 |
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@Haarg | i know of at least one custom asset that is using rsscapable/rssfromparent | 23:24 |
@Haarg | which is what my modifications are meant to deal with | 23:24 |
diakopter | oh. /me doesn't feel so bad, then | 23:24 |
@Haarg | my changes aren't complete yet | 23:25 |
diakopter | ok, so hrm... so I shouldn't have deleted those .pm from svn? | 23:26 |
@Haarg | they are fine to delete from svn, but we don't want to delete them as part of the upgrade | 23:27 |
diakopter | Asset/RSSCapable.cpm, Asset/RSSFromParent.pm, i18n/English/blah | 23:27 |
diakopter | okay | 23:27 |
diakopter | maHarg: all the Collaboration assets should have rows in RSSCapable before the upgrade.. even if they're not rss enabled | 23:32 |
diakopter | as far as I understand it | 23:32 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:33 |
@Haarg | they would be broken if they did not | 23:33 |
diakopter | ok, so everyone would see that warning you have there..... oh; no, b/c you're deleting those rows. I see now :) | 23:34 |
@Haarg | yeah | 23:34 |
@Haarg | also, that's the part that isn't complete | 23:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | preaction: is that a real PHP "template"? It is horrible | 23:44 |
* perlDreamer thought PHP was easy, like javascript | 23:45 | |
@preaction | perlmonkey2: i don't know if it is 100% error-free PHP, but it is very close to it | 23:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | all those poor souls around the world, condemned to such madness. | 23:45 |
@preaction | very close to what one of those highschool students will do with PHP at least | 23:45 |
@preaction | there are abstractions and other such that makes PHP less of an abomination | 23:45 |
@preaction | but i don't know PHP and hope I never have to learn it | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg knows some PHP, iirc | 23:51 |
@Haarg | some | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm 75% of the way through a bugfix. When is release for 7.7.2? | 23:57 |
@Haarg | it will be a bit longer | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | let me know when you start | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | I'm just down to testing | 23:57 |
@Haarg | sure | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | but setting up carts with items takes time | 23:57 |
@preaction | damnit. i knew i forgot something. looks like my new asset will wait for 773 | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | that's what ya get fer dinkin' around with PHP | 23:58 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: diakopter * r10151 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (Asset_RSSFromParent.pm Asset_RSSCapable.pm): buhleted. (RSS* i18n) | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | what's the magic mysql command to get the current time as an epoch? | 00:25 |
@preaction | UNIX_TIMESTAMP() | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, preaction | 00:27 |
@preaction | you might need a NOW() inside those parens | 00:27 |
@preaction | but i think that's the default | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | it seems to be | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, ready to commit. Have you started? | 00:34 |
@Haarg | not yet, but ready to | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I need 5 minutes | 00:34 |
@Haarg | not a problem | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | I may need a little help with the gotchas notice | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | since this bug requires adding a db column to Cart | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | dang it, no I'm not ready | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | I have to do the config file upgrades | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | I'll get this in tomorrow | 00:36 |
@Haarg | i can wait a bit | 00:36 |
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@Haarg | i have to do a couple more things for the rss thing actually | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'll try to finish it up | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | I need a config file update, and I have to modify one of the default workflows to add the new activity | 00:37 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: you rock too! | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | welcome to the club, SynQ | 00:38 |
SynQ | thanks | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | you should ask Mr preaction to voice you | 00:38 |
SynQ | voice me? | 00:38 |
SynQ | no comprendre | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | you get a little widget next to your name | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | so people know that you're to be respected and listened to | 00:39 |
SynQ | wow | 00:39 |
SynQ | perhaps we should get tattoos during the wuc ;) | 00:39 |
SynQ | pbwg on the right ball :P | 00:39 |
SynQ | painfull buth worth it | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps not | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | ;) | 00:40 |
SynQ | perhaps a less painful ritual then | 00:41 |
SynQ | breakfast at the come back in | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | there ya go | 00:41 |
SynQ | french toast | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | while we plan WUC 2010 in Melbourne | 00:41 |
SynQ | good idea | 00:41 |
SynQ | it's just 24 hours of flying | 00:42 |
SynQ | I might just test my theories on 'bored during a flight' | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | but there's lots of people to talk to | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | and think of all the hacking you can do! | 00:43 |
SynQ | very true | 00:43 |
SynQ | and we get to enjoy (wink wink) the speed of webgui.org from australia | 00:43 |
SynQ | which is horrid | 00:44 |
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+SynQ | oeh | 00:44 |
+SynQ | did someone very kind just put a medal on my chest? | 00:45 |
+SynQ | thank you preaction | 00:45 |
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+SynQ | time for bed | 00:57 |
+SynQ | night | 00:57 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10152 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/CartItem.pm: Fix bugs when trying to handle a Sku that no longer exists in the db. | 00:58 |
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+perlDreamer | Do I still have time, Haarg? | 01:02 |
@Haarg | yes | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | committed | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | also, modernperlbooks.com has an interesting series of blog posts about software releases | 01:05 |
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@preaction | sounds like old-hat to me. everybody knows the first couple stable releases are anything but | 01:14 |
@preaction | but if we don't call them stable, they'll never be used and tried and bugs found | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | this is true | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | I thought it talked more about the metric for a release | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | not playing games with fixing or labeling bugs | 01:15 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10153 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 9 dirs): | 01:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add a creation date to the Cart. | 01:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Use that date to expire carts older than an interval, via a new workflow. | 01:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Config file changes, tests, i18n. | 01:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10154 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Shop/CartItem.pm: Backporting CartItem fixes for trashed Sku's. | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | got time for another one, Haarg? | 01:29 |
@Haarg | yes | 01:29 |
@Haarg | there's a new feature i'm going to try to slip in to this release, so it will be a while longer | 01:30 |
@Haarg | new feature to go along with the rss stuff | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | I found a leaky test | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | which was causing the earlier weirdness with NotifyAboutLowStock | 01:31 |
@Haarg | ah | 01:31 |
@Haarg | cool | 01:31 |
@Haarg | i wasn't able to duplicate that one | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | it's random | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | depends on whether or not the test runs before or after the ShipDriver test | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | I think | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | in any case, ShipDriver/FlatRate doesn't leak cartItems anymore | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'm clear again | 01:42 |
@Haarg | i really have to figure out how to prevent automatic brace matching with this latest version of vim perl-support | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | :se nomatch? | 01:44 |
@Haarg | is that for brace highlighting? | 01:46 |
@Haarg | it keeps adding ending braces all the time and then i have to remove them | 01:47 |
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+perlDreamer | that's for highlighting | 01:48 |
@Haarg | yeah, highlighting is fine | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | there's one that will add braces automatically for you? | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | that doesn't sound good | 01:48 |
@Haarg | perl-support is a plugin i have installed | 01:48 |
@Haarg | it does some nice things, but automatically adding braces is really annoying | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | will you be talking about your vim config in patspam's panel session? | 01:49 |
@Haarg | nah | 01:49 |
@Haarg | i don't have anything interesting set up with vim | 01:50 |
@Haarg | feels kind of silly adding RSS/RDF/Atom to i18n | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 01:53 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10155 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Fix a leaky test. | 02:05 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10156 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Forward port leaky test fix with cleaning up the cart. | 02:05 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10157 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (9 files in 9 dirs): Backport Cart creationDate, and RemoveOldCart. | 02:05 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10158 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Put bug fix in the right place. | 02:05 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, with commit 10159, all the tests in HEAD run clean for me | 02:49 |
SDuensin | Go Go Unit Tests! | 02:50 |
@Haarg | thanks perlDreamer | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | good luck on the WRE :) | 02:50 |
@Haarg | i keep finding little things i need to clean up | 02:56 |
@Haarg | i'd leave them be, but they involve the upgrade proceedure | 02:58 |
+perlDreamer | do you have a list? | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | iow, want to offload something? | 03:00 |
@Haarg | should be done in a minute | 03:00 |
+perlDreamer | my son peter is going to have kittens | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | I just found this: http://www.metro-goingplaces.org/bast/ | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | It's a google-map based metro transit planner | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | the goal is to expand the system while staying in the budget | 03:01 |
@preaction | Veridian Dynamics is perhaps the most evil company EVER. Rizen, we're slipping! | 03:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10159 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_RSSFromParent.pm: Remove Help for the RSSFromParent asset. | 03:07 |
@Haarg | arg | 03:10 |
@Haarg | statesToInclude/statusToInclude is really annoying | 03:10 |
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@Haarg | i'm probably a bit crazy to make these changes immediately before releasing | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | let me know when you have it committed, and I'll rerun the suite here | 03:15 |
@Haarg | committed | 03:16 |
@Haarg | running the tests now | 03:16 |
@Haarg | failures already | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | URL capitalization changed? | 03:18 |
@Haarg | i must have messed something up with my changes to asset->update | 03:19 |
+perlDreamer | it must be the conditional check | 03:23 |
+perlDreamer | because the data pointer is pretty inocuous | 03:23 |
@Haarg | properties became property | 03:25 |
@Haarg | line 2343 | 03:25 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I need to add Asset.t in my coverage goals for 2009 | 03:27 |
+perlDreamer | I've been focusing on Session/*.pm, User and Group | 03:27 |
+perlDreamer | but that only got caught by 1 test | 03:27 |
@Haarg | unfortunately, the thing i added that for isn't working | 03:30 |
+perlDreamer | I thought you were trying to save some typing :) | 03:31 |
@Haarg | the allowEmpty flag though | 03:31 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it needs more tests? | 03:32 |
@Haarg | probably | 03:33 |
@Haarg | if this didn't impact the upgrade stuff i would have left it for later | 03:33 |
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+perlDreamer | clean run again | 03:36 |
+perlDreamer | you going to commit the "properties" fix, or do you want me to? | 03:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10160 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): improving RSSCapable upgrade procedure, adding feed header selection | 03:37 |
@Haarg | i'll get it | 03:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'll start an i18n run, then | 03:37 |
@Haarg | fix committed | 03:48 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, any reason to hold off on the release? | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | the i18n run is almost finished | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | and there are no failures yet | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | at this point, I'd say go ahead | 04:00 |
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+perlDreamer | bio break | 04:07 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10161 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Form/List.pm Asset.pm Form/Control.pm AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm): fix allowEmpty and bugs it caused | 04:08 |
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+perlDreamer | i18n run finished clean | 04:32 |
* perlDreamer heads to church | 04:32 | |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10162 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: set rss feed image link to be a url field | 04:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10163 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.7.2 release | 04:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10164 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.1-7.7.2.pl: fix upgrade for if RSSFromParent is missing | 04:37 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10165 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.2-beta: Release 7.7.2-beta | 05:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10166 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.7.3 dev | 05:03 |
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+perlmonkey2 | sometimes HTML::Template just seems so constricting. | 06:06 |
@preaction | it is. try Template::Toolkit | 06:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | is TT2 something that can be used in a core wobject, preaction? | 06:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | if it is, I'm going to hit myself with a hammer, cause I'd never ever have used H::T :P | 06:15 |
@preaction | ahh | 06:15 |
@preaction | now i understand what you're asking | 06:15 |
@preaction | that's a question you might have to ask the higher-ups | 06:15 |
@preaction | we haven't yet moved to TT officially, but that move is in the works | 06:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh, I'm pretty sure it is H::T only | 06:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh sweet | 06:16 |
+perlmonkey2 | okay, I'll run it by da' boss | 06:16 |
+perlmonkey2 | Think this is a sign I'm doing something wrong, or just have a really complex set of data? | 06:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | _loadAnswerIntoSummary(\%{summaries->{sections}->[$sectionIndex]->{questions}->[$questionIndex]->{answers}->[++$answerIndex]},$response); | 06:18 |
@preaction | that is a sign you're doing something wrong | 06:19 |
@preaction | split that up. my $section = $sections->{sectionIndex}; my $question... my $answer... | 06:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | sections have questions which ahve answers, and it has to be in a single hash to be given to a template. | 06:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | But I'm not sure if that means there isn't still a way around it. | 06:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | reponse is a flat data structure though with section and question duplicated in each node until they change..... | 06:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm pretty sure this is a major design flaw in having multiple ways to index objects throughout the survey. I think it broke down when I needed a way to indentify DOM objects by their survey object address. | 06:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | Maybe I need to read some more Higher Order Perl and I'll find *magic*. | 06:24 |
+patspam | magic++ | 06:29 |
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+patspam | dang the curse of console.log()s left behind in js source | 08:06 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10167 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/dd.js: Converted firebug console.log into YAHOO.log to unbreak Survey DnD | 08:13 |
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+MrHairgrease | Some guy in a rain coat told me TT is gonna become a part of webgui | 17:22 |
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+bartjol | yeah I alos heard that rumour gonzen | 17:22 |
* MrHairgrease has the pluggable tax stuff working! | 17:22 | |
+MrHairgrease | w00t | 17:22 |
+bartjol | and since this weekend will be the last that I have some time left, I think metroman part 2 will be coming out | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | yes! | 17:32 |
+MrHairgrease | I cannot wait to read it | 17:32 |
* MrHairgrease is a hardcore metroman fan | 17:32 | |
+bartjol | cool mostly you need some continuity before getting fans | 17:34 |
+MrHairgrease | true | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | what sees my eye? | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | time to get my key | 17:35 |
+bartjol | indeed | 17:35 |
+bartjol | I hope it's a nice key | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | I hope so too | 17:36 |
+MrHairgrease | laterrrr! | 17:36 |
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@Haarg | preaction, on this bug http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10093 | 18:09 |
@Haarg | where are you seeing that? | 18:10 |
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+perlmonkey2 | hah, MrHairgrease...raincoat++ | 18:18 |
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+bartjol | perlmonkey2: MrHairgrease is long gone | 18:27 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh, my 9" netbook just arrived....he's just a little guy. | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | is that for reading documentation? | 18:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: well, it's not mine, I got it for my dad for his birthday. But I'm going ot play with it a bit and see if I want my own. But I'm pretty sure that running gnometerminal on it will be just fine. | 18:34 |
SDuensin | perlmonkey2 - I prepped a 9" netbook for my dad recently. Man it was hard to give back. :-) | 18:37 |
+bartjol | y'all know what time it is! | 18:37 |
* SDuensin thinks it's 5 O'Clock Somewhere. | 18:38 | |
+bartjol | 17:40 even | 18:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: yeah, It is really really nice. Don't think the screen will be an issue, although I'm thinking I'll really have to tighten up my typing to be happen with it. | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | it says 17:42 here, that's even later! | 18:38 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, thanks for helping with bugs/tests yesterday | 18:38 |
+bartjol | darn, well I probably won't be here until I'm a house owner | 18:39 |
* SDuensin wants the 9" Dell you can load OS X on. :-D | 18:39 | |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome, Haarg | 18:39 |
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+perlDreamer | after reading this: http://blog.patspam.com/2009/the-curse-of-consolelog | 18:41 |
* perlDreamer thinks it's time to start writing guardband tests for JS | 18:41 | |
+perlDreamer | but that will have to happen later | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | I've got a gig at my church for part of today, so I'll see y'all this afternoon | 18:42 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Hmm, I can not type on a 9" dell keyboard. | 19:19 |
SDuensin | You get used to them. | 19:20 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10168 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Survey summary code, intermediate check in. Zero changes in function. | 20:33 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10169 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Survey summary code, intermediate check in. Zero changes in function. | 20:33 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10170 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.2-7.7.3.pl: Adding Survey columns | 20:33 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I don't think I could trudge through this template without wgd. You deserve like a nobel prize or something. | 21:43 |
@Haarg | heh | 21:43 |
@Haarg | well i'm glad it's useful | 21:44 |
* SDuensin needs to learn wgd. | 21:47 | |
@Haarg | it should be pretty easy to get started with | 21:47 |
@Haarg | and if it isn't let me know what gives you trouble so i can work on it | 21:48 |
SDuensin | I can do that. :-) | 21:48 |
+perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: it's quite remarkable just how much there is to it. | 21:48 |
* SDuensin has been off trying to learn another huge Perl program... eBox! | 21:49 | |
SDuensin | Perl is gonna be the death of me. :-) | 21:49 |
diakopter | or the birth. | 21:50 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10172 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: setParent shouldn't check user permissions, only www_ methods should | 23:10 |
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@preaction | I think the Edit User screen for Admins should have a "Friends" tab, no? | 23:40 |
* perlDreamer thinks that it should just have link to the User's account | 23:40 | |
+perlDreamer | Account, even | 23:41 |
SDuensin | Admins have no friends. | 23:45 |
@preaction | well, then we'd have to fix Account so that Admins are able to edit things using that interface | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 23:45 |
@preaction | but i don't thnk that's the plan. Admin interface will always be what it is | 23:45 |
@preaction | i mean, it might make the Account code too complex to also be adding Administrator overrides into everything | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | but isn't it easier to add overrides into existing code rather than duplicating it in another place? | 23:46 |
@preaction | the override could be deeper in the API, we might not even need to change the Account code much | 23:47 |
@preaction | but still, it's something we'll have to wait for 8.0 to consider. there's some API cleanup we need to do on Account | 23:48 |
@preaction | and some expansion to make for easier plugin making | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | did you see my RFE about JSON and the Account system? | 23:48 |
@preaction | not yet no | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | I think we should do that change sooner, rather than later | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | with no JSON interface, it's hard to build server-side paginated YUI DataTables in Account | 23:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: looks like it has been approved and assigned difficulty of 1. | 23:59 |
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+perlmonkey2 | why not just implement your prototype? | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | nope, it hasn't been rated yet, nor approved | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | ya gotta check the little history section in the lower right | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | by default, all karma ranks are set to 1 | 00:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | whups, good to know :p | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | it's a bug in the helpdesk | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | I know, I know | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | the irony of a bug in helpdesk software, but it is what it is | 00:01 |
@preaction | a continue block only runs if there's another iteration of a for block to run, right? | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | I think it will work with a while block, too | 00:03 |
@preaction | right, but my continue block was running even though the for block was on its last iteration :P | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | perldoc perlsyn | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | the continue block runs right before the conditional is evaluated | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | even if you use next | 00:04 |
@preaction | THAT'S THE LAST TIME I EVER ASK YOU FOR HELP | 00:04 |
@preaction | oh, damnit | 00:04 |
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@preaction | okay. i need a tool that will go through a bunch of sites, perform a find and replace inside of a template | 00:14 |
@preaction | packages do not work because these sites all have individual modifications since the packages were deployed between them | 00:15 |
@preaction | the templates may or may not have the same assetId | 00:15 |
@preaction | i would prefer something like a diff tool. perhaps I could make a diff from one template revision and then apply that diff to other template revisions? | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | how complex is the find and replace? | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | because you're applying a diff to a db column | 00:19 |
@preaction | wgdev assetDiff create -r1 <assetId> # -r1 = changes from 2 revisions back to one revision back | 00:19 |
@preaction | then wgdev assetDiff apply <filename> <Something...> | 00:19 |
@Haarg | what kind of changes would this be doing? | 00:21 |
@preaction | altering data inside of an asset, fields and such | 00:22 |
@Haarg | you can have wgd edit use an arbitrary command, so you could have it use perl to do a regex on all of the specified assets | 00:22 |
@preaction | oooh, also nice | 00:22 |
@Haarg | there's also the export and import commands | 00:23 |
@preaction | perlDreamer mentioned an export and an import. perhaps if a diff can be made from the export, then there could be a command that will take that diff and apply it | 00:23 |
@preaction | though that would assume the export is well-formed, so maybe not | 00:23 |
@preaction | i'll look at the edit one first | 00:23 |
@Haarg | the import/export use the same format as edit | 00:24 |
@preaction | anything to make this easier. i think there's about 14 sites i have to check and change | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | have a revision differ for WebGUI would be awesome | 00:24 |
@Haarg | log and diff commands would be good things to add to wgd | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | log? | 00:25 |
@preaction | 14 sites where only a few words may differ between them. i've tried user education but to no avail, so i've just been charging them for all the time it takes me. i'd like to stop having to do that | 00:25 |
@Haarg | just to list revisions on an asset | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | oh yeah | 00:25 |
@Haarg | with the version tag info | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | that's good, too | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | is the News on the participate page of webgui.org broke because of spectre, or something else? | 00:29 |
@preaction | i suspect because of new RSS problems | 00:29 |
@preaction | we've got an RssFeed aspect now, might have some bugs need working out | 00:30 |
@preaction | is there a wgd install guide somewhere? | 00:30 |
@Haarg | should be installable just like a normal cpan dist | 00:30 |
@preaction | i just pull from the git repo and run "perl Build.pl; make; make install" right? | 00:30 |
@preaction | oh, you mean "cpan App::Wgd"? | 00:31 |
@Haarg | no, i mean what you said | 00:31 |
@preaction | ok | 00:31 |
@Haarg | ./Build && ./Build install | 00:31 |
@Haarg | you can also check wgd -h and wgd config -h | 00:32 |
@preaction | is there a "default" webgui_root and webgui_config value? | 00:37 |
@Haarg | for root it checks in order: command line switches, environment variables, config file values, searching upward from current directory | 00:38 |
@Haarg | if there is only a single config file, it is used for the config | 00:38 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10173 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Post.pm): Fix double variables showing up in thread and post help. | 00:38 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10174 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Post.pm): Backport help fix. | 00:38 |
@Haarg | otherwise it needs to be specified | 00:38 |
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@preaction | okay, so if i'm in my WebGUI root directory, it works | 00:41 |
@preaction | but if i'm in /data and my webgui root is /data/WebGUI, it doesn't | 00:41 |
@Haarg | it won't find it automatically, no | 00:41 |
@preaction | k, np | 00:42 |
@preaction | dunno why it took me this long to finally start using this :p | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | it's like chocolate | 00:42 |
@preaction | bitter at first and then the greatest thing you've ever done? | 00:43 |
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+perlDreamer | after using wgd edit template_url, wgd package --upgrade template_url a few times, I was sold | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: there's nothing bad to say about it | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | it's creamy goodness will subsume all arguments against | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | and it's antioxidants are good for you | 00:44 |
@preaction | oh, but i like the bitter chocolate! | 00:44 |
@preaction | 80% cacao represent! | 00:45 |
@Haarg | i do need to improve the user docs for getting started some | 00:45 |
* perlDreamer recommends short blog posts | 00:45 | |
@preaction | perhaps the Build could try to autoconfigure or ask for some values from the user | 00:45 |
@preaction | yes, blog posts would be good too | 00:45 |
@preaction | EXPOSURE! everybody should be using this! | 00:45 |
@Haarg | yeah, i do need to do that | 00:45 |
@preaction | i mean, i know how you might feel about too much stuff to do to waste time on things like blog posts, but | 00:46 |
@Haarg | i could put stuff in build, but that excludes people who don't want to install it like that | 00:46 |
@Haarg | since there is also the option of the single file version | 00:46 |
@Haarg | that has no installation | 00:46 |
@Haarg | finally have a script to automate posting on sourceforge | 00:58 |
@Haarg | that site is incredibly painful to work with | 00:58 |
@Haarg | of course, freshmeat just changed their site, breaking the api they had for posting to it | 01:01 |
@Haarg | so i have to wait for them to make a new api before i can automate that | 01:01 |
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+perlDreamer | hm, must be 5:00pm in Wisconsin | 01:10 |
daviddelikat | any body have any thoughts about where to start looking with this: | 01:16 |
daviddelikat | env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/localhost.conf perl Session/CheckClient.t | 01:16 |
daviddelikat | Segmentation fault | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | does CheckClient pull in new modules? | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | which OS are you running this on, and which perl? | 01:17 |
daviddelikat | is centos | 01:18 |
daviddelikat | the tests used to run. | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | what changed? | 01:18 |
daviddelikat | it should at least ~say~ /something/ shouldn't it? | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | not if there's a problem with a module | 01:18 |
daviddelikat | bt what kind of problem causes perl to segvg? | 01:19 |
daviddelikat | segv. | 01:19 |
daviddelikat | no typeee too good | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: if I build a YUI button with pure javascript, how do I get it to render into some HTML? | 01:26 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: if i remember, you give it a container element | 01:27 |
@preaction | and then call .render() and it should render itself in the container | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | okay-doke, I'll try that | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | we'll see how well that plays inside of DataTable formatter | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Template Toolkit is only used by heffalumps and woozels | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | hm, I get a link, but no button | 01:44 |
@preaction | yeah, that's why I hate YUI buttons | 01:46 |
@preaction | all those "links" around the datatable in the edit mode are really YUI buttons... | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | maybe they don't work right inside datatables? | 01:49 |
* perlDreamer is going to try some other things | 01:50 | |
@preaction | the links i'm referring to are outside the datatable | 01:50 |
@preaction | i think it has to do with where the class=yui-skin-sam is located | 01:50 |
@preaction | but i don't know | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | well, the buttons I'm trying to make are inside cells of the datatable | 01:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you are a heffalump-ist obviously. | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | well, I'd be pro TT if it wasn't written by jagulars | 01:51 |
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+perlDreamer | oh, and the buttons render without a .render | 01:53 |
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+perlmonkey2 | yay, I've got an ajax call that needs to reload the entire page. | 02:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | this is going to require some stupid clockwork. | 02:18 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, I got a button to render, but it wasn't easy | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | I had to manually put in the whole control HTML sequence | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | never mind, I lied | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | the button still isn't created | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | it just looks right | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | what if... | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, since this is called inside of a formatter, what if the formatting hasn't been applied yet? | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | which means that when I try to call new Button, it doesn't do anything | 02:48 |
+perlDreamer | since the thing I told it to make a button out of doesn't exist yet! | 02:48 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10177 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added Carousel wobject | 20:28 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: are you awake? | 20:38 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: can you give me a good example of form processing in WG? | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | $session->form->process('variableName', 'formType'); | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | What exactly are you looking for? | 20:42 |
daviddelikat | how does it handle invalid data? | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | well, it depends | 20:43 |
+perlDreamer | several of the forms do post processing on their inputs | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | for example, the Phone Form plugin restricts valid characters | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | if it isn't handled in the Form plugin, you have to do it yourself | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | what kind of form processing problem are you having? | 20:45 |
daviddelikat | sorry, I was checking on an install... | 20:48 |
daviddelikat | there is no validaton on my fm | 20:48 |
daviddelikat | form | 20:48 |
daviddelikat | I only have three things to validate | 20:49 |
daviddelikat | non-empty strings, integers and a URL | 20:49 |
daviddelikat | sorry four -- a valid image | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | there are plugins for integers and URLs that validate | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | non-empty strings you must do yourself | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | as for the image, what's valid in an image? | 20:50 |
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+perlDreamer | is it the presence? | 20:50 |
daviddelikat | what do I use to post a message to the user? | 20:50 |
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daviddelikat | just needs to be a valid image file | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | if this for www_edit? | 20:51 |
daviddelikat | where do validation messags go? | 20:51 |
daviddelikat | no just www_view | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | I would modify www_view to accept a parameter, an array_ref of error messages | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | if the data fails to validate, then do not save the data, call www_view with the list of error messages | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | then add template variable to www_view to display the errors | 20:53 |
daviddelikat | ok | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | back | 21:53 |
+perlDreamer | time to do yardwork, later everyone | 22:20 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10178 /translations/German/German/Asset_Survey.pm: Update from translation server | 00:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | Think it is poor form to forward to this: $self->url."?func=showSummary" | 00:24 |
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+perlmonkey2 | hmm, setting the javascript "location.href = response.url;" to $self->get('url') doesn't work. seems the relative url gets appended to the current address instead of the hostname | 03:41 |
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+perlmonkey2 | nope, somehow the code got borked. | 06:03 |
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+perlmonkey2 | yay, my house caught on fire, lots of technical issues, had to add new hooks, but the survey now has summaries for users in quiz mode. | 22:40 |
nuba | what, you mean real fire in your real house? | 22:45 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10185 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Summaries added to the survey | 22:52 |
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+patspam | Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | 02:09 |
+patspam | After you ask, update the wiki? | 02:09 |
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+perlmonkey2 | nuba: yeah, a real fire. | 04:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | Just sitting in the living room working and the wall goes *whump*, then smoke starts pouring out of the fan dimmer switch. | 04:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | So I run to the breaker, flip the master, grab a saw from the garage and a fire extuinguisher, saw open the wall to check for fire, but there was just smoldering wires. Switch was just a bad switch. But what was scary is that the 20 amp breaker didn't flip. | 04:01 |
nuba | whoa that sucks | 04:02 |
nuba | and sounds like a big mess | 04:02 |
nuba | good thing you were around to notice it | 04:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | no kidding, if we wouldn't have been home, we could have lost the whole house. | 04:04 |
nuba | these things in a empty house can go awry | 04:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | But it isn't too big of a mess. Just a small hole around the switch. And I'm calling for an electrician to rewire it and check the rest of the house tomorrow :P | 04:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: ping | 04:05 |
+patspam | perlmonkey2: pong | 04:07 |
+patspam | holy crapola about your fire perlmonkey! | 04:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: heh, fun times. | 04:08 |
nuba | we have some component in our apartment's wiring called a nominal residual current (DR) that detects realy small variations in the current (30mA) so that power is cut at right away when a person or animal gets shocked or something like a short-circuit happens | 04:09 |
+patspam | I can just see you.. should i snip the blue wire, or the green wire.. | 04:09 |
nuba | you probably have these there too, check with your eletrician, i know siemens has it and it should be priced at about $50 or so | 04:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | nuba: sweet, I'll have to check into that. | 04:12 |
nuba | i think you need 2 or 3 times the capacity of a breaker to make it flip, but i can be wrong on that | 04:13 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: comment out the ip filter from clientCheck (in Session::Env) | 08:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: added form validation to AdSku ( with internationalized messages ) | 08:00 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10187 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added Carousel wobject icon | 11:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10188 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.3/root_import_carousel_carousel-default.wgpkg: | 11:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Updated Carousel javascript so that it works with multiple instances on | 11:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: the same page | 11:02 |
LTR_bob | The 2009 schedule is online: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/schedule | 11:42 |
LTR_bob | De WebGUI::CRUD presentatie naast de mijne had ik ook wel heen gewild :P | 11:50 |
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topsub | I have a question, I have a file upload in the www_editVariant inside my custom product. The client is trying to upload a html file. but it seems webgui changes it to a txt file. Is there a way i can stop this? | 17:59 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:12 |
@tavisto | good morning perlDreamer | 18:15 |
topsub | morning | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | hey, topsub! Haven't heard from you in a long time. | 18:17 |
topsub | hehe ya.. forgetting to get on IRC. come into work and just jump to work | 18:17 |
topsub | pd, did you happen to see my question? | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | no, I'm sorry I didn't. | 18:19 |
topsub | i have join / hide message turned off | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | I came in at 8:17 | 18:19 |
topsub | I have a question, I have a file upload in the www_editVariant inside my custom product. The client is trying to upload a html file. but it seems webgui changes it to a txt file. Is there a way i can stop this? | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | that is an XSS prevention measure in Storage.pm | 18:20 |
topsub | thats what i thought it would be | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | you can work around it by using a ZipArchive | 18:20 |
topsub | client is trying to upload an HTML page to redirect users | 18:20 |
+perlDreamer | Is using the Redirect Asset an option? | 18:21 |
topsub | We have custom products the client can add to a system, then the can add "Brochure" just happens this Brochure is another website url | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | I see. That makes sense | 18:21 |
topsub | So he is kinding using it in a way we didn't build it for. if that mkes sense | 18:21 |
topsub | we mean for him to just upload pdfs | 18:21 |
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topsub | are you saying if he zips up the file and then uploads it, it will work? | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | no | 18:22 |
topsub | so really it seems this could be a change request | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 18:22 |
* perlDreamer was thinking that there was a Product feature for remote URLs | 18:22 | |
+perlDreamer | but what the customer wants is different still | 18:23 |
topsub | ya.. thanks a lot pd! | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | and the Product only really supports "local" URLs for related products, and accessories. | 18:23 |
topsub | i think the client knows he is pushing how we built it. | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | well, at this point I've pretty concretely concluded that you cannot add a YUI button to a DataTable using only a custom formatter. | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | it needs additional magic | 18:25 |
+perlmonkey2 | Any idea when we move the YUI to 2.7? | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | no clue, maybe preaction or Haarg have ?an idea | 18:27 |
+perlmonkey2 | Charts has some pretty major bug fixes, and data table even gets some love. | 18:27 |
@Haarg | there hasn't been any discussion of that, but i'll ask jt tomorrow | 18:28 |
+perlmonkey2 | thanks Haarg | 18:28 |
@Haarg | it should be fine to upgrade in the 7.7 betas at some point | 18:29 |
@Haarg | although there will be some work involved | 18:29 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: what kind of issues do you foresee? | 18:30 |
@Haarg | i know at least a few places we're using -beta modules | 18:30 |
@Haarg | which will likely be stable in 2.7 or could have their api changed | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | I think element went stable in 2.7 | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we need a test for that | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | picks up calls to the extras macro, and see if the files actually resolve or not | 18:34 |
@Haarg | sounds like wgd needs a grep command | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | or an ack command? :) | 18:40 |
@Haarg | something like that | 18:41 |
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+perlmonkey2 | oh sweet....YUI3.x has the seed object. Costs 7k, but dynamically loads all libraries required for any objects you create. | 18:49 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10190 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm: Survey quiz mode sentence is not a question. | 19:02 |
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+perlmonkey2 | What about a View side paradigm shift. Where templates become more of simple scaffolding on which to hang JS widgets. Almost all View code is removed from the server side and placed entirely on the client? | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | sounds expensive | 19:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: More so than this hybrid of template and YUI code? | 19:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | Which half the View logic on the server and half on the client? | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | why does an article need JS? | 19:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | handling comments? | 19:22 |
* SDuensin recommends Cappuccino for major paradigm shifting. :-P | 19:23 | |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: and that seems like one of the view wobjects that is not interactive. | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | that's because it's only supposed to display static content | 19:25 |
+perlmonkey2 | Plus it appears that an ajax call to display data on an already rendered page, occurs much faster than a GET/POST. | 19:26 |
+perlmonkey2 | full page rerender. | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | I wouldn't argue that AJAX can be faster than a full page reload | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | I just question whether or not we need to drop templating in favor of AJAX for all content shown to the user | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | but maybe I'm misinterpreting what you meant earlier | 19:28 |
+perlmonkey2 | Anyways, did I mention I was attacked my a dozen velociraptors yesterday? | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | did they have lasers on their heads? | 19:29 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm not saying drop templates, just make an effort to move more of the VIEW logic into the client. | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I need a concrete example of what you're talking about. | 19:29 |
+perlmonkey2 | No, I was plowing a field and their the mighty decendents of the raptors were swarming the field for the field mice who no longer had any concealment. One of the coolest things I've ever experienced. One just hovered over my head for a bit, so close I might have been able to touch him, starring at the back of the tractor (it was really windy, so one direction they could hover without moving). | 19:30 |
@preaction | i don't mean to dash hopes here, but pure JS websites are currently universally considered a Bad Idea | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | that sounds way cool, perlmonkey2 | 19:31 |
@preaction | by most of the older hands at least. give it some times and you'll become one of them too | 19:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh | 19:31 |
@preaction | there are limits in the technology that make important edge cases impossible to overcome | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | do screen readers have javascript built into them yet? | 19:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm not saying don't use templating anymore, just move more of the logic to the client. | 19:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: YUI has some sort of freakishly cool screen reader widget. | 19:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | at least the demo I just saw for 3.x was sweet. | 19:33 |
@preaction | i'm saying that's the problem, the more logic you put into the client, the more you have to rely on standards and things not in your control (that the client has these capabilities, or that they're the same as another client) | 19:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | ah | 19:33 |
@preaction | if we could control the client, we could do a lot of fun stuff | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | in other words, if everybody used Firefox, our lives would be a lot easier? | 19:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh | 19:34 |
@preaction | but as it is, we're still dealing with IE6 bull-excrement | 19:34 |
@preaction | anyway, bbl, someone else can have the soapbox for now | 19:34 |
* deafferret snatches it, runs | 19:41 | |
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+perlDreamer | crud, now there's on soap | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | no soap, either | 21:08 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10191 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js: fixed a matrix search/compare button javascript problem | 21:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10192 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js: fixed a matrix search/compare button problem | 21:41 |
@preaction | soap, there's no crud | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | I beg to differ | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI has crud, but no soap | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | and if you've ever been around perlDreamer after he goes running... | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | soap is not an option | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | when ya come home, and even the dog won't say hi to ya... | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | well, 'nuff said. | 21:52 |
* perlDreamer goes running, and then soaping | 21:52 | |
* deafferret eats a block of cream cheese | 21:57 | |
+perlmonkey2 | trying to sex up the survey summaries a bit. There isn't really a good way to show section, question, and answer data in a single datatable, is there? | 22:20 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10193 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): partial solution for rfe #9965 | 23:05 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10194 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton: unset package flag recursively during upgrades | 23:05 |
@preaction | heh, clever | 23:12 |
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Mech422 | blarggle | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422: care to expand on that? | 23:59 |
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Mech422 | nothing special - just monday :-P | 00:00 |
Mech422 | trying to figure out what going on | 00:00 |
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Mech422 | Can you 'layer' content regions in wG ? for instance can I have a template with a user editable header/footer areay that is used to display user editable 'pages' ? | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like a dashboard | 00:43 |
@preaction | yes, but how much work you need to do depends on how well you can explain how you want it to work | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | hah, beat you, preaction! | 00:43 |
@preaction | yes, but i'm more technically correct! | 00:43 |
@preaction | also you stole my soap | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | no, I used the shampoo on my pits | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | we need to get deafferret and have him return the box | 00:44 |
Mech422 | I am recasting http://osc3.template-help.com/joomla_17569/ for use in wG | 00:45 |
Mech422 | I'd like the theme to be used for all pages of a particular type etc etc | 00:46 |
Mech422 | but I'd like the client to be able to edit the logo and footer for the theme | 00:46 |
@preaction | okay, they'll be able to edit any part of it. | 00:47 |
Mech422 | (in one spot, and not on every page) | 00:47 |
@preaction | but, if you want, you can make those be Snippets and use ^AssetProxy(); | 00:47 |
@preaction | look on the webgui.org site for "Snippets", there are a lot of fun ways to use them to make your life easier | 00:47 |
Mech422 | ahh - snippets.. thats a good idea | 00:47 |
Mech422 | thanks preaction | 00:49 |
@preaction | don't go overboard though, they tend to get annoying | 00:49 |
@preaction | at least for me, when i have to go into someone's site | 00:49 |
@preaction | Articles might be good too, then they get the WYSIWYG editor | 00:50 |
Mech422 | that would be good | 00:50 |
@preaction | but then they have more freedom to screw up your design | 00:50 |
Mech422 | yeah - thats their problem :-P This client is pretty good about that.. | 00:51 |
Mech422 | the broke their plone site over the weekend by 'moving' the portlets folder :-p | 00:51 |
Mech422 | and just owned up and said they wouldn't do it again :-) | 00:52 |
@preaction | you can, just by moving a folder, screw up an entire site in Plone? | 00:53 |
Mech422 | preaction - sure same as in wG | 00:53 |
@preaction | which folder? | 00:53 |
Mech422 | if you move this: ^AssetProxy(theme018/mainMenu); - its gonna break my wG site | 00:53 |
@preaction | actually no | 00:54 |
@preaction | you'd have to change its URL | 00:54 |
@preaction | that would break it | 00:54 |
Mech422 | anything that relies on path names can be broken by stuff moving | 00:54 |
@preaction | and you can hide URL via UILevel if you're paranoid | 00:54 |
Mech422 | I mean if you move them018/mainMenu to theme018/mainMenu.old or something | 00:54 |
@preaction | Another way wG is superior | 00:54 |
@preaction | yeah, you would have to explicitly change the URL field, that would be the only way ;) | 00:55 |
Mech422 | LOL actualy no having used both - I can find just as many creative ways to break both | 00:55 |
@preaction | keep finding them, and then RFE ways to fix them (or some of them might even be bugs) | 00:55 |
@preaction | i am all for making WebGUI user-bulletproof | 00:55 |
Mech422 | the wG is 'superior' stuff mainly stems from a lack of understanding of what plone can do - both are _very_ capable systems - they are just very different | 00:55 |
@preaction | i would say that if you can break WebGUI from the web interface, that is considered a bug | 00:56 |
@preaction | we can prevent accidents, but not malice of course | 00:56 |
Mech422 | right | 00:56 |
@preaction | i suppose technically the assetproxy would work even after that URL changed... for a few months at least ;) | 00:57 |
Mech422 | ? you mean assuming the cached version was around? no reboots etc etc ? | 00:58 |
Mech422 | (btw - one cool thing in plone is multi-level undo - changes are transactional, so I was able to 'undo' the moving of the folder, plus about 20 other changes made after that in one shot...) | 00:59 |
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@preaction | not cached, previous revision. assets respond (or last i knew responded) to all URLs they may have formerly used (until you use Change URL or the revision gets auto-cleaned) | 01:00 |
@preaction | yeah, lineage isn't versionable right now :( | 01:00 |
@preaction | nor is deletion | 01:00 |
Mech422 | hmm - thats intestering | 01:00 |
@preaction | well, in so much as it leaves the trash | 01:00 |
Mech422 | trying to decide if I like that or not - I hate 'magic' stuff like that - always seems to bite you at the wrong time | 01:01 |
@preaction | two options for the AssetProxy problem: one, have assets being called by AssetProxy set a flag to say "This asset is being accessed by its URL from another part of the system, changing the URL may break something." | 01:02 |
@preaction | or two, allowing individual properties to be locked by individual users/groups | 01:02 |
@preaction | i don't like two, for reasons of it being a huge potential problem with a very small return | 01:02 |
Mech422 | 3.) refer by uuid and re-construct proper url at request time | 01:02 |
@preaction | oh, you can do that with the AssetProxy already | 01:03 |
@preaction | ^AssetProxy("assetId",1); <- the 1 means "the first arg is an assetId" | 01:03 |
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Mech422 | I tend to like uuids... but thats just me | 01:03 |
Mech422 | oh cool | 01:04 |
@preaction | there are a lot of macros that use URL for an argument, when the new practice is to use the guids | 01:04 |
@preaction | well, to be fair, there weren't guids back then | 01:04 |
Mech422 | prolly a bit faster too as it saves you a url to uid lookup ? | 01:04 |
@preaction | not really. url is an indexed column | 01:04 |
Mech422 | ahh | 01:04 |
@preaction | i mean, it would have to be really | 01:04 |
Mech422 | the 'full' url or just the 'leaf' portion ? | 01:05 |
@preaction | it's not like you have to look up the ID and then instance the asset, you can instance with the URL | 01:05 |
@preaction | the absolute URL, minus gateway and hostname | 01:05 |
@preaction | (and protocol of course) | 01:05 |
Mech422 | nice | 01:05 |
Mech422 | a bit long potentially - but fast for lookups | 01:06 |
@preaction | the Gateway thing is another fun one I've not seen in other systems, it allows you to run two distinct webgui sites on the same hostname. hostname/one/ and hostname/two/ can be two different sites | 01:07 |
@preaction | just by changing one config value | 01:07 |
Mech422 | yeah - plone does that via the 'virtual host monster' | 01:07 |
@preaction | probably not hard for other systems though | 01:07 |
@preaction | uh... virtual host monster? | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422: plone versions content location? | 01:07 |
Mech422 | yeah - you can map plone folders to different virtual hosts | 01:08 |
Mech422 | or even do 'inside out' hosting where plone content is 'inserted' into an existing site tree | 01:08 |
@preaction | nice | 01:08 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: Plone (Zope) versions _objects_ - so everything can be versioned | 01:09 |
Mech422 | Umm - you use Moose or Poe or something to do that in Perl, right ? | 01:09 |
@preaction | we could do the same thing, make a table worth of undo info | 01:09 |
@preaction | Mech422: no, we don't use an ORM currently | 01:09 |
Mech422 | ahh - I mean 'to put it in perl speak - it uses moose or poe type technology' ? | 01:10 |
@preaction | no, neither of those are ORM systems | 01:10 |
Mech422 | dam - 0 for 2 | 01:10 |
* Mech422 shuts up now | 01:10 | |
@preaction | moose is a way to build classes, poe is a "cooperative multi-tasking environment" | 01:11 |
Mech422 | when I left perl, so state table like framework was all the rage for perl stuff | 01:12 |
Mech422 | never got into or understood why people were so excited by it - state table based code has been around for dogs years | 01:13 |
Mech422 | s/so/some/ | 01:13 |
deafferret | why people were some excited by it? | 01:14 |
Mech422 | sorry - 'some state table like' | 01:14 |
Mech422 | I should just give up and go back to bed | 01:14 |
Mech422 | :-P | 01:14 |
deafferret | :) | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | it also depends on the type of object you're versioning | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI has two ways of determining parentage | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | the official way is via lineage | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | which isn't versioned | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | the other way is via parentId | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | if parentId was the only way, then you could do full site versions | 01:17 |
+perlDreamer | but with lineage it's not so easy | 01:17 |
* perlDreamer waits for preaction to come and fill in the gaps in that reasoning | 01:18 | |
@preaction | parentId is not versioned either, currently | 01:20 |
@preaction | and yes, lineage + versioning would be weird because the revision you're looking at could be constantly changing. you need to know the lineage before you know the revisionDate | 01:20 |
@preaction | also, it gets flakey when you get into clipboard and clipboard-limbo and trash-limbo | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | asset states get less flakey with autocommit, though, right? | 01:22 |
@preaction | state is not versioned, so doesn't matter | 01:22 |
Mech422 | hmm - I think that state table stuff was poe | 01:22 |
@preaction | status is versioned | 01:22 |
@preaction | no. POE is a multi-tasking environment | 01:22 |
@preaction | i mean, POE may have a different definition of the word "state" | 01:23 |
Mech422 | yeah - I think it was POE - the docs mention POE::NFA | 01:24 |
Mech422 | I think it used 'events' for 'edges' in the state table... Ie transfering state on receipt of an 'event' | 01:25 |
* perlDreamer is getting closer to writing an i18n label searcher for the UI | 01:28 | |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10195 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added 'too few/many' messages to matrix compare box, rfe# 9965 | 01:28 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 03:29 |
+patspam | hola! | 03:29 |
+perlDreamer | I was wondering if there was any news on the leaky Editor front, from YUI? | 03:30 |
+patspam | http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2512149 | 03:31 |
+patspam | last modified 2 months ago | 03:32 |
+perlDreamer | they must be occupied with YUI3 | 03:32 |
+patspam | yeah, I reckon | 03:32 |
+perlDreamer | it's a good thing we're not that way, with WebGUI | 03:32 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10196 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (_NewAsset.skeleton Wobject/_NewWobject.skeleton): add metadata processing to skeleton prepareView | 03:55 |
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@preaction | I do not cook nearly enough 3- and 4-course meals... | 05:10 |
+patspam | anyone know how to create long arguments like '--my-long-argument' with Getopt::Long? | 05:12 |
+patspam | wgd won't let me have an arg with a dash in the middle | 05:13 |
@preaction | oh, you should probably use camelcase | 05:13 |
@preaction | that might be the convention we're going with | 05:13 |
+patspam | ah ok | 05:13 |
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+perlDreamer | all, I'm planning on releasing another version of the WebGUI Network News next weekend | 07:16 |
+perlDreamer | please email/IM me with news and stories and questions | 07:16 |
+perlDreamer | I gotta remember to do this during then day, when more people are awake | 07:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: where can I get previous issues? | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | except for preaction, who never sleeps | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | perldreamer.com/blog | 07:17 |
+perlDreamer | but you'll have to give me feedback tomorrow, because I'm crashing out tonight | 07:18 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10197 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Some fixes to the way Survey handles recordedAnswer, value, etc.. | 10:45 |
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+SynQ | can someone assign this bug to me? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10021 | 16:00 |
@Haarg | done | 16:12 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: You affected by the downtown evacuation? | 16:34 |
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deafferret | evac of where? | 17:02 |
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+perlmonkey2 | deafferret: The Canadians invaded this morning. A Canadian fighter jet (Cessna 172) flew over Madison causing the capitol building to be momentarily evacuated. | 17:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | Looks like it was just some kid at a Canadian flight school who took a joy ride that went really really bad. | 17:08 |
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@Haarg | perlmonkey2, that was only the capitol building it appears | 17:15 |
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nuba | you call this a canadian fighter jet? http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/06/plane-stolen.html | 17:19 |
@plainhao | $500,000 of u.s. money spent on the joy ride | 17:19 |
nuba | thats a crappy looking cessna 172 | 17:20 |
@plainhao | that's all the canadians can afford | 17:20 |
nuba | heh | 17:20 |
* plainhao thinks u.s. should switch to flying cessna 172s too | 17:20 | |
nuba | they say he refused to communicate with authorities | 17:21 |
nuba | maybe he was trying bringing "suicide by cop" to a new level | 17:21 |
nuba | from ground level to a few thousand feets :D | 17:22 |
nuba | or rather, "suicide by F16" | 17:22 |
nuba | sounds way cooler | 17:22 |
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nuba | no shit, looks like thats really what he was after http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iC5xvmRlmutpYgkeMsfKk4QV4qjwD97DKFUO0 | 17:25 |
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zylopfa | I have a question regarding a mysql query when transfering some data and webgui'ize it | 17:28 |
zylopfa | update TFT_stories, userProfileData set TFT_stories.author=userProfileData.userId where userProfileData.id=TFT_stories.author; | 17:28 |
zylopfa | is my query, but it seems to take forever | 17:29 |
zylopfa | its only about 14k stories i need to have updated with their new author id, which is the users webgui id | 17:29 |
CIA-38 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1347ce6 / (20 files in 5 dirs): various POD improvements - http://bit.ly/NKsje | 17:34 |
CIA-38 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5d38c2f / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : avoid autocommit and notice sending - http://bit.ly/kDEpm | 17:34 |
CIA-38 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r2fe466f / (5 files in 2 dirs): complete POD coverage - http://bit.ly/eZBHv | 17:34 |
@Haarg | if the field types of those don't match up that could slow it down a lot | 17:35 |
zylopfa | Haarg, i found out i forgot to change the new author id to varchar(22) bin :( | 17:35 |
zylopfa | the query ended now after 22 minutes | 17:35 |
zylopfa | maybe the warnings make it slow? | 17:36 |
+SynQ | hmm | 17:36 |
zylopfa | still weird it takes 22 min for just 14k updates | 17:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | nuba: I guess moving to the other side of the world can be a bit stressful. | 17:38 |
zylopfa | I am converting a 10.000 user site to webgui | 17:40 |
zylopfa | the userimport utility script is genius for that | 17:40 |
zylopfa | Haarg, the query i wrote can you do that i mysql? when i use the field i wish to update in the where clause? | 17:42 |
zylopfa | I know you can in perl but not sure it work in mysql? | 17:42 |
@Haarg | as far as i know that i fine | 17:43 |
zylopfa | is it normal it takes 20+ minutes for 14k stories that has to change its author id from a table of 11k users? | 17:44 |
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zylopfa | I just googled it and someone have a query like it which takes several hours | 17:56 |
zylopfa | Its just strange as its a simple update | 17:57 |
+SynQ | whoohoo I have resolved a bug :) http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10021 | 17:57 |
zylopfa | Awesome! | 17:58 |
zylopfa | Thanks a lot | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10198 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): Reverted Proc::ProcessTable to version 0.44 due to bug 10021. | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10199 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh): | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: updated downloadlinks for berkeley db, libjpeg | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: updated lftp to 3.7.11 | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10200 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Updated perl modules: | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: POE-1.004 | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Text-CSV_XS-0.64 | 17:58 |
@tavisto | nice job SynQ | 17:59 |
+SynQ | now if only I could get to talk to JT for 5 minutes | 17:59 |
+SynQ | so I can convince him to release the updated SVN for WRE as 0.9.2 | 17:59 |
@tavisto | JT was out sick yesterday and it sounds like he's still not feeling well today | 18:00 |
zylopfa | :( | 18:00 |
+SynQ | in that case I'll send an e-mail to the dev-list | 18:00 |
+SynQ | done that | 18:04 |
zylopfa | GooD! | 18:04 |
zylopfa | damn this query has taken 15 min so far :( | 18:04 |
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@Haarg | if you are messing with the wre, can you update XML::TreePP and XML::FeedPP to the latest? | 18:11 |
zylopfa | Woohoo the query is done! 32 min and 33 seconds | 18:11 |
+SynQ | Haarg: sure thing | 18:11 |
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nuba | zylopfa: you should check this http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/explain.html | 18:18 |
nuba | if you want more info about whats going on with your query taking that long | 18:18 |
zylopfa | ahh awesome! thanks a lot! | 18:18 |
zylopfa | I will use that from now on | 18:18 |
+SynQ | Haarg: any other modules? | 18:18 |
@Haarg | nope | 18:18 |
zylopfa | Good thing is that the 30min query was a one time select/update query. I am migrating some data and updating some id's | 18:19 |
+SynQ | Haarg: do you want Test::Class into the WRE? | 18:21 |
@Haarg | hmm | 18:21 |
@Haarg | not sure what we decided for that | 18:21 |
@Haarg | probably not | 18:21 |
@Haarg | since it is broken on some platforms | 18:22 |
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+SynQ | WebGUI beta is complaining about that module in testEnvironment.pl | 18:22 |
@Haarg | well, not it directly, but one of its prereqs | 18:22 |
@Haarg | i'll ask perlDreamer what he thinks when he gets on | 18:22 |
+SynQ | ok | 18:23 |
@Haarg | we can't use it currently, so i'm thinking we should pull it from testEnvironment.pl | 18:23 |
+SynQ | updated TreePP and FeedPP are in | 18:23 |
@Haarg | thanks | 18:23 |
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zylopfa | nuba, the explain thing is real awesome, now i can also see which index i have to create in order to make normal queries faster | 18:27 |
zylopfa | Hahah nice i got a query down from 0.25 seconds to 0.00 seconds by making some index on a field used in the query | 18:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10201 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): | 18:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Updated perlmodules: | 18:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Class-C3-XS-0.11 | 18:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Class-C3-0.21 | 18:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: XML-TreePP-0.38 | 18:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: XML-FeedPP-0.40 | 18:28 |
nuba | zylopfa: keep in mind mysql has to keep indexes updated, so dont go trigger happy creating indexes everywhere | 18:31 |
zylopfa | nuba, indeed but its important.I have a collection of stories and a make lists of newest stories by date | 18:32 |
zylopfa | so i made the date-posted field an index | 18:32 |
nuba | zylopfa: this is also your friend http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/slow-query-log.html | 18:33 |
zylopfa | Awesome thanks a lot nuba ! | 18:34 |
nuba | np, have fun! | 18:34 |
zylopfa | thanks a lot | 18:34 |
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+perlDreamer | well, that's two calls for a non-PDF WebGUI newsletter | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | everyone, last Saturday I released issue #1 of the WebGUI Network News | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | you can grab a copy from my blog, perldreamer.com/blog | 18:52 |
zylopfa | awesome perlDreamer i will take a look! | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | I'd be interested in a straw poll of IRC folk who think it should be HTML vs PDF | 18:52 |
zylopfa | Jesus i was a noob when i first made this :( | 18:53 |
zylopfa | I have no keys in many of the large talbes | 18:54 |
zylopfa | tables | 18:54 |
deafferret | can it be printed on bacon? | 18:54 |
zylopfa | Yeah I want it on bacon!! | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | deafferret, if your printer is bacon enabled, it will | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | just be sure to use edible ink | 18:54 |
* deafferret buys more cartridges | 18:54 | |
zylopfa | my printer is 600 bps | 18:54 |
zylopfa | = bacon pr. second | 18:54 |
@preaction | do we have a tool that will scan my asset tables for broken items? | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | t/Asset/Asset_diagnose.t | 18:55 |
@preaction | ok, thanks | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | it needs some switches/environment variables to work, iirc | 18:55 |
@preaction | is it safe to run on production? | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | it only does reads | 18:55 |
@preaction | k | 18:56 |
@preaction | oh, it uses Test::Deep, so it won't tell me ALL of the possible problems, just one of them at a time :( | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | The problem I have with it being HTML is that I really don't like using TinyMCE, but I guess I can get over it | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, Test::Deep used to tell you all the problems | 18:57 |
@preaction | you can use some other program and then paste it into the TinyMCE | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | if you wish, change it to use Test::Differences | 18:57 |
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+perlDreamer | SynQ, bopbop, what are you thoughts on the newsletter? | 18:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10202 /wrebuild/getperlmodules.sh: forgot to use $CPANMIRROR | 19:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10203 /wrebuild/getperlmodules.sh: Class-C3-XS-0.11 has a different author | 19:00 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.nl | 19:03 |
+SynQ | it is awesome | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for the link, SynQ! | 19:04 |
+SynQ | perlDreamer: I'm sure you are running for the award named after you this year! :) | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | I'm ineligible for that award | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | they'll have to come up with a new one :) | 19:04 |
+SynQ | hehe | 19:05 |
+SynQ | you know what is peculiar | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | what's that? | 19:05 |
+SynQ | now that my RFE on 'last post' has been implemented | 19:05 |
+SynQ | you can see that of the people on this list: http://www.webgui.org/wg/karma | 19:06 |
+SynQ | you are the first one from the top that actually posts to webgui.org | 19:06 |
+SynQ | I don't even know who Emil is | 19:06 |
+SynQ | let alone what he has received karma for | 19:06 |
+SynQ | my guess is he is a rockstar | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | that is probably true | 19:07 |
+SynQ | that has logged into WebGUI.org 9 times :) | 19:07 |
+SynQ | hence the 45009 and not 45000 like biskitmiller | 19:07 |
@preaction | we give karma with our rockstar clients now? | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | I thought that logging in was 2 karma, so perhaps 2 logins, and 1 post? | 19:08 |
zylopfa | nuba the explain dont work for update queries :( and its the ones i make now that will propably take all night if i dont make indexes :( | 19:08 |
+SynQ | no posts | 19:08 |
+SynQ | posts would show in the 'contributions' page of that user | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | maybe | 19:08 |
+SynQ | oh tiffany has made some contributions | 19:08 |
+SynQ | mainly articles | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | not all assets show up in the contributions | 19:08 |
+SynQ | oh | 19:09 |
zylopfa | aha Koen are you checking us out? | 19:09 |
zylopfa | I have 400 something karma :D | 19:09 |
zylopfa | titlandata is my id on there | 19:09 |
+SynQ | zylopfa: I'm looking at those special people at the top of the karma list | 19:09 |
zylopfa | like perlDreamer | 19:10 |
+SynQ | indeed | 19:10 |
zylopfa | isnt he on the top? | 19:10 |
+SynQ | nope | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 19:10 |
+SynQ | Emil is | 19:10 |
zylopfa | ahh yeah | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | I've been giving my karma away for bugfixes and translations | 19:10 |
+SynQ | but perlDreamer is the true person to look up to | 19:10 |
zylopfa | yeah isn't there also a Colin K. award? | 19:10 |
zylopfa | or how his name is spelled | 19:11 |
+SynQ | zylopfa: http://perldreamer.com/perldreamer | 19:11 |
zylopfa | Colin Kuskie award! | 19:11 |
zylopfa | ha also wrote the test chapter in the developers book | 19:12 |
+SynQ | oh and perlDreamer: I vote for the non PDF version of WNN too | 19:13 |
+SynQ | so that makes 3 | 19:13 |
zylopfa | 4 for me | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | Okay, I'll start up a CS for it, then | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | and backport issue #1 into it | 19:13 |
zylopfa | perlDreamer, are you good with sql? | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | no | 19:14 |
zylopfa | ok :D | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | what is it you're trying to do, zylopfa? | 19:15 |
zylopfa | ok here is what, i have an old site i make to run in webgui | 19:15 |
zylopfa | but i have to update some userid fields to the new webgui userids, that my users got when i imported thm | 19:15 |
zylopfa | I have a table with 2million entries which logs views of different storiy id's | 19:16 |
zylopfa | and they are listed with what user viewed the story | 19:16 |
zylopfa | so i need to update each of the 2 million entries with the new user id | 19:16 |
zylopfa | update TFT_storyview, userProfileData set TFT_storyview.user=userProfileData.userId where userProfileData.id=TFT_storyview.user; | 19:16 |
zylopfa | this is how i do it in mysql | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 19:17 |
zylopfa | userProfileData.id is the old sites user id | 19:17 |
zylopfa | but i made a similar update earlier with only 10k things that should be changed and it took 30 min | 19:17 |
zylopfa | so i am afraid this query will take most of the day as there are 2million updates | 19:17 |
+SynQ | dinner! | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | and the site is live? | 19:18 |
zylopfa | not now :D | 19:18 |
zylopfa | implementing it atm. | 19:18 |
zylopfa | the live site is up and running on the old system | 19:18 |
zylopfa | so i am not interfering with it | 19:19 |
zylopfa | still a whole day is a long time for updating something in sql | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | I have only 1 suggestion, and that is not to do the join, but to use perl to cache the id->userId data | 19:19 |
zylopfa | its basically statistics data for the stories, who viewed them, when and how many times | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | and I don't know if it would be faster | 19:19 |
zylopfa | yeah good idea, so i make a select first and then make an update using the select data? | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | get a list of the unique ids in the storyview table | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | actually, you can skip that | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | use buildHashRef to make a lookup table from the userProfileData | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | then for each entry in the table, do a blanket replace for all of that user's data in the storyview table | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | it might be faster than the join, but I have no way of knowing | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | 2 million rows is a lot! | 19:22 |
zylopfa | I think it will be faster | 19:22 |
zylopfa | also if i make some indexes in the mysql tables | 19:22 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10204 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10110: Matrix 2.0 - "Data Error" on Pending Product Listing Updates | 19:31 |
zylopfa | perlDreamer, I think i am making indexes in the table first cause i can see that the join is going through all 2 million rows to find matches | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | good thinking, zylopfa | 19:32 |
zylopfa | there is 2 million and it has to be traversed 10k times cause there are 10k users | 19:32 |
zylopfa | so it will be a significant time before it finishes without indexes on the user field | 19:33 |
zylopfa | perlDreamer, !!! | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | yes? | 19:36 |
zylopfa | I have gotten the query to finish in 10 seconds now instead of XX hours! | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | sweet! | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | now, before you forget about it, make sure your other tables are indexed, too :) | 19:36 |
zylopfa | yeah i am making an index sweep as i port the code to webgui | 19:36 |
zylopfa | the queries i make now are only used 1 time though to update user ids | 19:37 |
zylopfa | but many indexes are needed also for general queries | 19:37 |
nuba | zylopfa: if you work with DBs frequently then you may benefit from studying the topic a bit | 19:51 |
nuba | this is a good place to spend time on http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-830Fall-2005/CourseHome/index.htm | 19:51 |
nuba | my prefered DB book is Elsmari & Navathe's | 19:53 |
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zylopfa | thanks a lot nuba i will definately look at it | 19:56 |
@preaction | so one of my assets has a lineage of "3dcAHG", is that bad? | 20:10 |
@Haarg | nice | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, nice job. You found a way to increase the lifespan of the lineage system! | 20:15 |
@preaction | yay! | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | now can have more than 1e6 assets per parent | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | how did you do it? | 20:16 |
@preaction | I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD! | 20:16 |
@preaction | uh... how? | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 20:16 |
@preaction | uh... DISNEY WORLD! | 20:16 |
@tavisto | easy, just type 2e6 | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: the concensus on the newsletter is that it needs to be a CS, instead of PDF | 20:18 |
@tavisto | well then we're doing the PDF | 20:19 |
@tavisto | the first rule to marketing is to always ignore your audience/customers and do what you want | 20:19 |
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+perlDreamer | everyone I asked said HTML, except bopbop, who was so incensed about it being a PDF that she didn't even write back | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | or something like that | 20:20 |
@tavisto | I think the CS is fine. The main thing is that it needs to be available and mentioned on our main channels of communication. I think it's a great way of providing technical and non-technical updates for the week or two weeks | 20:24 |
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@tavisto | it's hard for even someone like me to keep up with what you guys are working on in the core... let alone other members of the community. If your a developer then you know it like the back of your hand. If not, then you just hear bits and pieces from all over | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, that's the problem. There are enough dev's now that it's not possible to keep up with everything anymore. | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | that's one of the reasons I made the newsletter | 20:28 |
@tavisto | exactly, so I think it's a great way to keep the community/developers on a similar page | 20:28 |
* perlDreamer is hoping that people will funnel information to me so that I can let everyone know about it | 20:28 | |
+perlDreamer | exactly | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | some things will be trivial, like the AssetHistory browser | 20:29 |
@tavisto | well we can setup a form and let people submit stuff to you for this purpose | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | other things will be big, like the new Shop workflow to delete carts | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | that would be cool | 20:29 |
@tavisto | I'll be cc'd on it as well but then the CS could be updated on the community site with the actual updates | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | community site == webgui.org? | 20:30 |
@tavisto | yeah | 20:30 |
@tavisto | the CS could also be setup to feed into the main WebGUI news. But we need the new site up for taht | 20:31 |
@tavisto | that | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | well, until it is setup, I'll keep publishing it to perldreamer.com | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | we can always package it up and move it to webgui.org when it's ready | 20:33 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10205 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: Remove old legacy code. | 20:37 |
@bopbop | perldreamer! | 21:02 |
@bopbop | why can't I read your blog anymore? | 21:02 |
@bopbop | oh | 21:02 |
@bopbop | hehe | 21:02 |
@bopbop | nevermind.... | 21:03 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, bopbop. Was something wrong with my blog? | 21:03 |
@bopbop | no, I'm just dumb | 21:04 |
@bopbop | your blog is fine | 21:04 |
@bopbop | I just gonna write back :) | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | be careful, I'm usually pretty hard on people who speak poorly of bopbop in channel | 21:04 |
@bopbop | to vote for a Cs | 21:04 |
@bopbop | CS | 21:04 |
@bopbop | well, then | 21:04 |
wgGuest82 | Question is there a plugin similar to google docs for webgui? | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest82, no | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | Google does it so well | 21:06 |
@preaction | what is google docs? like Word on google? | 21:06 |
wgGuest82 | Thanks. Any suggestions? We have private data we dont want them to control | 21:06 |
@tavisto | There will be a document management wobject coming in the near future. But not yet | 21:06 |
@preaction | what can they do the TinyMCE cannot do? | 21:06 |
wgGuest82 | Document management webobject is what we need. | 21:07 |
wgGuest82 | Perfect | 21:07 |
@preaction | tavisto: you mean the Story Manager? | 21:07 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, spreadsheets | 21:07 |
wgGuest82 | We need a easy to use revision control system for a team project | 21:07 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: DataTable! | 21:07 |
@tavisto | WGFS preaction | 21:07 |
@preaction | ohh, that's different | 21:07 |
@preaction | but it might work | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | DataTable != spreadsheet. No calculations | 21:08 |
* SDuensin votes for WGdocs. :-) | 21:08 | |
@preaction | which reminds me i have to ask JT about my idea of making certain assets export themselves as .doc or .xls or .ods or .pdf or .psd inside of WGFS | 21:08 |
@tavisto | wgGuest82, WebGUI already has versioning, workflow, and content approval built into it | 21:08 |
SDuensin | Seriously though, I can't wait for WGFS. | 21:09 |
wgGuest82 | Yea we are looking for a complete office suite like google docs that we can control on a private server using webgui | 21:09 |
@preaction | you have Access (Thingy), Word (Article), uh... | 21:09 |
@preaction | we don't have Excel or PowerPoint | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, then get busy writing it in Latte | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | or Mocha | 21:10 |
@preaction | well, Gallery might be able to be used for PowerPoint, but we're far more specialized when it comes to presenting data like that | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | or whatever that thing is that you like | 21:10 |
@preaction | ha! Cocoa + Java = Mocha... clever | 21:11 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - I actually was looking at porting this to WebGUI: http://www.simple-groupware.de/cms/Spreadsheet/Home | 21:11 |
@tavisto | wgGuest82, WebGUI can definitely store multiple versions of files and track versions, but the files have to be uploaded by the users after they modify them | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | that's pretty cool, SDuensin | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | and I understand it :) | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | unlike Cappucino | 21:11 |
SDuensin | perlDreamer - It wouldn't be hard. The PHP part is pretty small. | 21:12 |
@preaction | wgGuest82: I should mention that if you're looking for custom development, Plain Black can help you | 21:12 |
@tavisto | However, this will be changing with the document management functionality that will be provided by the WebGUI File System (WGFS) | 21:12 |
* SDuensin cheers wildly for WGFS! | 21:12 | |
wgGuest82 | How can we have users upload their files such as word xcel or powerpoint. I know how to do as admin but I want users to do it | 21:13 |
@tavisto | oh that's easy, you can go to the admin bar and choose to upload a new file | 21:13 |
@preaction | you could make a collab system and allow them to attach files | 21:13 |
@preaction | tavisto: i think he means without turning admin on | 21:13 |
wgGuest82 | Collaboration system module? | 21:13 |
@preaction | yes | 21:13 |
wgGuest82 | yes without turning admin on | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | there's only 1 thing stopping wgfs, and that's developer time | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | if it was funded, it would happen a lot quicker | 21:14 |
@preaction | that too | 21:14 |
@preaction | it's not a difficult thing, we've proved it's possible already | 21:14 |
SDuensin | If only I was funded, WG would do everything. :-P | 21:14 |
@preaction | heh, we ARE funded and it doesn't yet ;) | 21:14 |
@tavisto | ah okay, yep the collaboration system would work fine for that. Think of it as a generic data engine which allows you to configure how it works through basic templates. It can currently serve as a job posting system, a forum, a photo gallery, a file manager, a guest book, classified ads engine, FAQ generator | 21:15 |
@tavisto | You can configure the collaboration system to allow regular users to be able to upload files to the site. Thus preventing them from having to be an admin with the admin mode turned on :) | 21:15 |
@preaction | there's also ways to attach files to many things, like Calendar Events | 21:15 |
wgGuest82 | This sounds good. | 21:16 |
wgGuest82 | I am going to try it now | 21:16 |
@tavisto | you can try out a fully functional demo by going to http://demo.webgui.org. It lasts for 24 hours and you can always create more if you need to | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | would a Folder work? | 21:17 |
@tavisto | absolutely | 21:18 |
@preaction | but folder requires strange config to get to add assets w/o turning admin on | 21:18 |
@preaction | we've had to do it a couple times on some of our sites | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we should fix that... | 21:18 |
@preaction | it won't be fixed. normal users should not be normally allowed to edit normal things | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | even with a CS, don't you have to set the edit timeout to be a long time to allow for removing and reuploading? | 21:19 |
@preaction | i mean, you can try, i'm just mentioning what i think rizen will say | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | I know preaction | 21:19 |
* SDuensin would love for users to be able to upload to a folder, too. Maybe it's time for a JaegerFolder. :-P | 21:19 | |
+perlDreamer | it's just when I hear several people saying the same thing several times, it makes me think that it would be a good feature | 21:20 |
@preaction | we might move Gallery to just use WebGUI::Asset::File, which would provide Folder functionality for normal users | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | it's more like the gallery at that point | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | yeah! | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | there ya go | 21:20 |
@preaction | Jt's mentioned this too, so this could be done with his approval | 21:20 |
SDuensin | Gallery + Shortcut = Headache. :-( | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | how's that, SD? | 21:23 |
SDuensin | I had this bright idea to customize the style of the Gallery to be bare bones for users to view, then shortcut it to an admin page and put the original style back with the overrides so the site admin could manage it... | 21:24 |
SDuensin | That doesn't work because the gallery isn't a single object. | 21:24 |
wgGuest82 | What does [display tab] request tracker do in collaborative system module? | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | it configures the CS to be a lightweight bug system/request generator | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | it's really just a special template | 21:25 |
@preaction | wgGuest82: it's just a template, changes how the CS looks | 21:25 |
* preaction is always 30ms too late | 21:25 | |
+perlDreamer | yes, but you're usually right more often than I am | 21:26 |
wgGuest82 | In collaboration system is there a way to show attached files at root level and not by clicking on subject title? | 21:27 |
@preaction | yes, by editing the template | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, does he mean in the thread view? | 21:28 |
@preaction | no, he means in the Collaboration view | 21:28 |
wgGuest82 | We want the files to show at thread view | 21:28 |
wgGuest82 | Thanks for terminology help | 21:28 |
+SynQ | Building Complete And Successful | 21:28 |
@preaction | so when you see the list of threads, you also see the files in that first post | 21:28 |
@preaction | SynQ: wooooo! | 21:28 |
wgGuest82 | Yes | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: what are you building? | 21:29 |
+SynQ | wre svn head | 21:29 |
wgGuest82 | We are building a file collaboration system similar to google docs | 21:29 |
@preaction | wgGuest82: yes, look in the Help section of the Admin Console under Collaboration View (should be "attachmentLoop") | 21:29 |
wgGuest82 | but we can t achieve google docs so we are trying to get close | 21:29 |
+SynQ | if up to me wre 0.9.2 | 21:29 |
wgGuest82 | We dont have that admin privlage to update software on sever | 21:30 |
+SynQ | just wanted to let you know | 21:30 |
+SynQ | wgGuest82: do you have access to the apache config file? | 21:30 |
+SynQ | wgGuest82: and can you restart it | 21:30 |
wgGuest82 | Thanks for your help | 21:31 |
+SynQ | if so you could run WRE on unpriv ports | 21:31 |
+SynQ | uhnm | 21:31 |
+SynQ | I'm probably saying something that is not to the point in any way | 21:32 |
+SynQ | just disregart my ramblings | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ, no those are good questions. If wgGuest82 does not have command line access on his hoster, then he cannot run WebGUI at all. | 21:33 |
+SynQ | ah | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | it is not like PHP, where you upload it via FTP | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | but you know all those | 21:33 |
+SynQ | indeed | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'm repeating it for the benefit of wgGuest82 | 21:33 |
+SynQ | the best shot is to get another hoster | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | Know any good ones? | 21:34 |
+SynQ | if you don't have command line access the rest is a long shot | 21:34 |
+SynQ | that depends on what you want | 21:34 |
+SynQ | you want cheap? I don't know them, sorry | 21:34 |
+SynQ | you want good? and you are in the USA, try PlainBlack | 21:35 |
+SynQ | you want good? and you are in europe, try ProcoliX | 21:35 |
+SynQ | you want good? and you are in Australia, try CrucialParadigm and e-mail ProcoliX to set it up for you | 21:35 |
+perlDreamer | Does Procolix cover Asia, as well? | 21:35 |
+SynQ | the whole thing depends on your budget | 21:35 |
+SynQ | I don't know about asia | 21:36 |
+SynQ | I have never looked into that | 21:36 |
+SynQ | what part of asia? | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | I figured that ProcoliX was closer to Asia than Plain Black | 21:36 |
+SynQ | true | 21:36 |
+perlDreamer | and the Russian translation _is_ coming along nicely | 21:37 |
@preaction | i think there's more service from US-asia than eu-asia | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | so someone is using WebGUI over there | 21:37 |
+SynQ | but if you want a workable admin console you want your webgui hosted close to you | 21:37 |
+SynQ | close as in 4 to 6 ms latency max | 21:37 |
+SynQ | Russia == Europe | 21:37 |
+SynQ | most of it | 21:37 |
+SynQ | preaction: what do you mean by that? | 21:38 |
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@preaction | i was looking at a map of the internet, and there is more bandwidth across the pacific than across the russian landmass | 21:39 |
+SynQ | ah | 21:39 |
+SynQ | but bandwith is not the bottleneck | 21:39 |
+SynQ | it's latency | 21:39 |
@preaction | and there's practically no bandwidth to Africa | 21:39 |
+SynQ | where is the map of the internet that you are looking at? do you have a url? | 21:40 |
@preaction | true, but latency is affected by the amount of info in the tubes | 21:40 |
@preaction | uhm... let me see if i can dig it up | 21:40 |
* perlDreamer thought latency was more a question of number of hops | 21:40 | |
@preaction | distance between those hops, amount of traffic those routers have to deal with, a lot of factors | 21:41 |
+SynQ | the best way to know latency is by empiric measurement | 21:41 |
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+SynQ | I know from past discussions that www.webgui.org is faster to plainblack then www.webgui.nl | 21:41 |
+SynQ | and that demo.webgui.org and the temporarily created demo.webgui.nl are quite different too | 21:42 |
+SynQ | there are huge differences if you are in Australia, Chicago area or Europe | 21:42 |
+SynQ | all due to latency | 21:42 |
@preaction | there was a /. post on the physical vulnerability of the internet to terrorist attack which had the map :( | 21:43 |
+SynQ | ah | 21:44 |
+SynQ | anyway | 21:44 |
+SynQ | if you are looking for WebGUI hosting you want the server to be as close to you as possible | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: is this it -> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/4Frvo8mCYQk/article.pl | 21:44 |
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+SynQ | I don't see a map | 21:46 |
@tavisto | SynQ, here's some news for ya! http://www.webgui.org/news/webgui-8-goes-php | 21:47 |
@tavisto | at first I thought that was Koen dancing | 21:47 |
@tavisto | but I knew you didn't have sunglasses that cool | 21:47 |
ckotil | hah | 21:51 |
+SynQ | tavisto: seen that :) | 21:51 |
@tavisto | ah well make sure you don't wear a denim shirt and jeans at the same time again | 21:52 |
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+perlDreamer | man, git diff makes you really lazy | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | I need some SVN help | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | I deleted a test and need to restore it | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | the last time the test was updated was rev 9618 | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | I tried using svn cat, but I got an XML error | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | I got around it via SVN::Web and wget | 00:19 |
deafferret | svn update -r9618 https://repo/blah@9618 | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, deafferret! | 00:26 |
deafferret | sure. that repo/blah@ part always makes me double-take | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, it seems redundant, since a rev was specified | 00:27 |
deafferret | "file.t not found at HEAD" | 00:28 |
deafferret | exactly | 00:28 |
deafferret | perlDreamer++ # SVN bitch mind-meld | 00:28 |
deafferret | gets even weirder when things have moved around. at that point checkout -r9618 ...@9618 is how I cope | 00:29 |
deafferret | I haven't really gotten used to git diff/add/revert yet | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | I've got that down pretty well | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | but merging and pulling still escape me | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | deafferret, would you be interested in an easy TODO task to help us out? | 00:31 |
deafferret | sure, maybe. I don't use webGUI much, but I have a couple installs and a todo list I never get to | 00:31 |
* deafferret clocks out | 00:32 | |
deafferret | what's up? | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | it's a maintenance task | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | writing POD for some subroutines in modules that don't have POD | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | it would be really nice to have 100% POD coverage for when we launch WebGUI 8 | 00:32 |
deafferret | I could take a look, sure. repo? | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI | 00:32 |
deafferret | =head2 thingie This is that thingie that does that thing. =cut | 00:33 |
deafferret | co what path? | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | exactly, and if it has params, describe them, too | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | the path I pasted is our HEAD branch | 00:33 |
deafferret | so you gave me HEAD? nice. | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | it has the best coverage | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | you could do another branch... | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | but it wouldn't be worth it | 00:35 |
deafferret | k. I'm now sitting on a 235MB r10207 | 00:35 |
deafferret | felatio joke FAIL | 00:36 |
* perlDreamer is kind of slow and thick headed | 00:36 | |
* deafferret ponders WEBGUI_CONFIG | 00:36 | |
+perlDreamer | good thinking | 00:37 |
deafferret | do I need to install wre and friends to run t/POD.t? | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | no | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | but you do need a database, and a config file | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | once that is setup, then | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | env POD_COVERAGE=2 perl POD.t 2>&1 > pod | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | that will tell you every subroutine in every module that needs POD | 00:38 |
deafferret | roger that | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | currently there are 44 modules that need POD | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | do you have commit rights? | 00:39 |
deafferret | negatory | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | hm, in that case, you can either paste or email me patches | 00:39 |
deafferret | late me paste one or two before you endow me | 00:39 |
deafferret | ya | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | oh, I cannot grant that right to you | 00:40 |
* perlDreamer is just a namby/pamby volunteer | 00:40 | |
deafferret | I think you're a secret agent dev | 00:40 |
* perlDreamer looks around covertly, to see if anyone noticed that | 00:41 | |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10206 /WebGUI/t/Account.t: Restore the Account.t test | 00:47 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10207 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): | 00:47 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add a method to Account called getUsers, which returns | 00:47 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: either the user specified by the uid form param, or the | 00:47 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: session user. | 00:47 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Change appendCommonVars to use it. | 00:47 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Remove spotty overrides in plugins. | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | that was a very wordy commit message | 00:48 |
* perlDreamer is going to have to talk with colin about that | 00:48 | |
deafferret | Can't locate Clone.pm in @INC -- is that a CPAN module? | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 00:49 |
* perlDreamer heads to the other office, be back in 15 or so | 00:49 | |
+perlDreamer | deafferret, it's always a good idea to run testEnvironment.pl to check | 00:50 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: brian * r10208 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing the 7.6.19 release. | 01:23 |
deafferret | perlDreamer: I seem to be stuck. I seem to have 1 functional dev WebGUI environment, but I don't have root there and don't have Clone.pm installed | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | okay, let's start at the beginning. | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | Is this a VM? | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | deafferret? | 01:29 |
deafferret | nope. it's a Linux box I don't have root on. I can ask an $admin. distracted by IMs right now | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | hm, can you install perl modules if you're not an admin? | 01:31 |
deafferret | nope. can't install bupkis on this box apparently. brb | 01:31 |
deafferret | back | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 01:37 |
deafferret | I thought this box had a special 'wre' perl, but now I don't see that in my notes | 01:38 |
deafferret | no $admins in IRC channel -sigh- | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | you can put two copies of WebGUI on 1 box | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | that what most of us do | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI == perl and javascript, not WRE binaries | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | you guys have your own IRC channel? | 01:41 |
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+perlDreamer | w00t! 1 contract done :) | 01:57 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10209 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9816: Syndicated Content asset fails to process feeds which include a UTF-8 BOM | 01:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10210 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton: unset package flag recursively during upgrades | 01:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10211 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10056: YUI javascripts included while adminOff (BNC) | 01:58 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, I did something really funny/stupid the other day | 01:59 |
@preaction | oooh sweet | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | I tried to add a shortcut to defaultNode, pointing to the import node | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | and hoped that it would work like a symbolic link in the Asset Manager | 02:00 |
@preaction | heh | 02:00 |
@preaction | but then, it would be nice if shortcuts could work more like symbolic links | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | it takes 4 clicks to get to the import nod | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | node | 02:00 |
@preaction | are you not using Arjan's bookmark toolbar? | 02:00 |
@preaction | takes me two clicks | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | Arjan's bookmark toolbar? | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | what is this you speak of? | 02:02 |
@preaction | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/webgui-7-bookmarks-toolbar | 02:02 |
@preaction | the most awesome thing ever | 02:02 |
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+perlDreamer | very interesting | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | once I get my CSS problem fixed, I'll check that out | 02:06 |
deafferret | perlDreamer: hmm... maybe I need to build out a database on a box I do have root on then. the $admins for the box in questions sometimes hang out in their own irc server -- irc.ist.unomaha.edu | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | that would be simpler | 02:18 |
deafferret | simpler to have root? k. I'll have to read how to build the schema | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | mysql -u root < /data/WebGUI/docs/create.sql | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | or, use the WRE | 02:19 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam, you must be prophetic | 02:25 |
+perlDreamer | everyone wants WNN to be a CS | 02:25 |
+patspam | WNN? | 02:26 |
+patspam | CS? | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI Network News, Collaboration System | 02:27 |
+patspam | ahh! | 02:27 |
+patspam | WNN++ | 02:27 |
+patspam | i want it on twitter, facebook, slashdot, dig, and um, put a video of it on youtube | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | video? | 02:28 |
@preaction | YES | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | eek | 02:28 |
@preaction | WebGUI VLOG! | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | of course, the real problem is that the WebGUI Network doesn't really exist | 02:30 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: brian * r10212 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.19-stable: Release 7.6.19-stable | 02:32 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: brian * r10213 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.19-stable/WebGUI_7.6: Release 7.6.19-stable | 02:32 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10214 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.19-stable/WebGUI_7.6: remove accidental addition to release tag | 02:32 |
* perlDreamer heads back to the main office | 02:37 | |
+perlDreamer | bbl | 02:37 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: brian * r10215 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.20 dev | 03:02 |
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+perlDreamer | I just don't want to believe this | 04:47 |
+perlDreamer | two months of delay | 04:47 |
+perlDreamer | because I forgot a quote | 04:47 |
@preaction | whoooops | 04:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: eh? | 04:47 |
+perlDreamer | I've been trying to make some small style changes to my website | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | to add a login box and admin toggle | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | but I couldn't get them to place where I wanted them | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | I've tried tons and tons of things | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | but either they were wrong, or in this last case | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | <div id="newClass> | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | is ignored because it misses an end quote | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | let me finish it up, commit the version tag, then you can see (and laugh) | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | and rightfully so :) | 04:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | wow, you forget a literal quote. So two month delay on a project? | 04:51 |
+perlDreamer | well, to log into my site I had to add all the query params for login, logout and admin mode | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | and other people couldn't create accounts to post back to my blog | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | so it was more embarrasing and inconvenient than anything | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | time to run the kids through the wash | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'll be on and off for the next few hours | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | back to the showers | 05:29 |
+perlDreamer | phew | 06:04 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10216 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (SelectRichEditor.pm Textarea.pm): Missing POD for Textarea, SelectRichEditor | 06:49 |
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@tavisto | Lookie what I found... A new article by JT Smith! | 07:31 |
@tavisto | http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Stack-Encouraging-Adoption-Through-Ease-of-Use-66743.html | 07:31 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, there's a typo | 07:47 |
* perlDreamer blows a raspberry, and goes to bed | 07:47 | |
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@tavisto | Kristi proofread | 07:47 |
@tavisto | hah | 07:48 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10217 /translations/Polish/Polish/ (20 files): Update from translation server | 11:11 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10218 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 2 dirs): | 11:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Replaced Survey parseGotoExpression with dedicated ExpressionEngine. | 11:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Improved gotoExpression validation error reporting | 11:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Added lots more tests | 11:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10219 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): | 11:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Made Survey ExpressionEngine disabled by default, controlled via config | 11:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: file enableSurveyExpressionEngine flag | 11:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Added branching based on question score and section score total | 11:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Added more tests | 11:44 |
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+SynQ | hoeba | 14:31 |
+BartJol | hoeba | 14:31 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10220 /wrebuild/build.sh: fixed typo in IA64 variable | 15:14 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10221 /wrebuild/build.sh: Added ia64 options to build.sh | 17:16 |
+SynQ | more 64 bit more better :) | 17:17 |
+SynQ | is JT better yet? | 17:17 |
+MrHairgrease | jt is ill? | 17:17 |
+SynQ | I don't now if he still is but I heared that he was | 17:18 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:18 |
+MrHairgrease | must be of your never ending nagging about wre's =) | 17:18 |
+SynQ | (16:00:01) tavisto: JT was out sick yesterday and it sounds like he's still not feeling well today | 17:18 |
+SynQ | perhaps someone has rick rolled him into sickness | 17:19 |
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+MrHairgrease | hey freddie! | 18:06 |
+MrHairgrease | more dutch guys in the room! | 18:06 |
freddiecompier | hoi | 18:06 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, tavisto! | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | is there some linkage for the linuxinsider article? | 18:49 |
@tavisto | yes, however they kinda jacked it up a bit | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | the article? | 18:50 |
+MrHairgrease | is there and article about webgui? | 18:50 |
@tavisto | no about The Stack but by JT | 18:50 |
@tavisto | http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Stack-Encouraging-Adoption-Through-Ease-of-Use-66743.html | 18:50 |
@tavisto | they changed one of the paragraphs and took out the Plain Black reference and left WebGUI in there but it doesn't make sense | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | there was the typo toward the end about getting a WebGUI into debian or ubuntu | 18:51 |
@tavisto | yep. | 18:51 |
@tavisto | whoever edited it down screwed that paragraph up. I'm waiting to see if they can modify it a bit. I told JT we can change WebGUI to "an application" and it would make more sense | 18:51 |
+MrHairgrease | i don't see webgui anywher on that page | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: "and get a WebGUI included in systems" | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | bad edit | 18:55 |
+MrHairgrease | oh wait | 18:57 |
+MrHairgrease | firefox search thingy was on match case | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | oh, you sub-micron guys always do that | 18:58 |
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+perlDreamer | brb | 19:03 |
SDuensin | That edit is because people think it *is* a "Web GUI". Hell, that's how I originally found it! | 19:04 |
SDuensin | (I was looking to see if there were any toolkits to make UIs for command line tools!) | 19:05 |
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nuba | now thats really some crappy touch up they did there | 19:27 |
nuba | "(...) For example, provide commercial hosting, a demo server, VMware appliances, a Web-based install system and native packages run through the community -- and get a WebGUI included in systems like Debian and Ubuntu. (...)" | 19:28 |
nuba | LOL | 19:28 |
bpmedley | https://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/10133 | 19:29 |
bpmedley | Has anyone looked at that bug? | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | no, sorry bpmedley | 19:29 |
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+perlDreamer | bpmedley, I'd check the spec for the new matrix against the old 7.5 code | 19:42 |
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+perlmonkey2 | I wonder what it would look like to write all the unit tests before you wrote any other code. | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | it's not that bad, really | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | although, practically, people never do that | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | usually it's done on a sub by sub basis | 19:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | Writing tests as an augmentation to the design process? | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | you know you want a constructor, so you write tests for everything it should do | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | then you write the code to make it do that | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | it forces you to think through things before you start writing code | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | and prevents creep :) | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | I've done that with the StoryManager | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | and it works pretty well | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | also, it pretty much forces you to write code which is testable | 19:53 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10222 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (205 files in 69 dirs): merge to 10219 | 19:54 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10223 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): Update Story to use awesome new Keywords | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | a lot of my www_ methods are wrappers around calls to set template variables, do side effects, process form variables | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | so that they can be tested in chunks | 19:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm really guilty of writing mega-methods that do many things. Writing the tests first would help break those down. | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | and, for those who like eye candy | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | I found this today: http://szabgab.com/blog/2009/04/1239191451.html | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | very nicely formatted HTML test output | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | enabled with JS for reporting and drill-down | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | another nice thing about having tons of tests is parallel development | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg changed how Keywords work | 20:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | hah, nice | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | and my tests are telling me what code needs to be updated | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, normally it's a pain when that happens | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | even when the code gets better and the Keywords form autocompletes | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | but with these tests, it's only about 15 minutes work to get everything updated and working again | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | merge with head, run tests, sigh, fix tests and code, done | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | and the "sigh" is just for dramatic effect, since I knew it was going to happen anyway | 20:01 |
+cap10morgan | i'm setting up webgui in an ec2 instance, and would like to script the wreconsole setup process. what's the best way to do that? should i write a command-line driven version of wreconsole.pl? | 20:07 |
+cap10morgan | or could i just include wreconsole.pl somehow and call its subs directly? | 20:07 |
SDuensin | cap10morgan - EC2 hurts my head. Been screwing with that for the last three days. Interesting stuff. | 20:07 |
+cap10morgan | SDuensin: yeah | 20:08 |
+cap10morgan | we're using it through RightScale | 20:08 |
+cap10morgan | which is very cool | 20:08 |
+cap10morgan | but they've never encountered WebGUI | 20:08 |
SDuensin | Check this out - spiffy: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=24091&start=15&tstart=0 | 20:08 |
+cap10morgan | so i'm now the expert in the equation | 20:08 |
+cap10morgan | which is always bad news | 20:08 |
SDuensin | No kidding! | 20:09 |
+cap10morgan | wow, yeah | 20:09 |
SDuensin | That EBS pivot makes things a lot simpler. :-) | 20:09 |
SDuensin | Not had time to try it. Just found it about 15 minutes ago. | 20:10 |
SDuensin | I'm not looking to put WG on EC2 just yet, but maybe that'll help you become the resident expert here for when I do. :-P | 20:12 |
+cap10morgan | yeah, be very afraid... | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan, you're just a trend setter | 20:24 |
+perlDreamer | OpenID, now EC2 | 20:24 |
+cap10morgan | haha :) | 20:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10224 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: Update StoryArchive test for new Keywords CSV. | 20:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10225 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.t: Update StoryTopic tests for CSV Keywords | 20:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10226 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Carousel.t: added tests for Carousel wobject | 20:27 |
+perlmonkey2 | ugh, finding yui2.6 docs is a pain. | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, they're in /data/WebGUI/www/extras/yui | 20:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: yeah, I was looking for them on the YUI site as they need to be http enabled to view the chart examples. | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | crud | 20:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | but browsing the API, it looks like my code is for the cold storage locker until 2.7 comes out. | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | have you been developing against 2.7? | 20:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: well of course | 20:43 |
+perlmonkey2 | :P | 20:43 |
+perlmonkey2 | but looks like my problem isn't a 2.7 issue... new YAHOO.widget.NumericAxis(); is failing, but I'm not sure what lib needs to be included for it. | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | in 2.6, is Charts in beta? | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | that'd be a name change | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | which really sucks! | 20:44 |
+perlmonkey2 | not much code. Just a short blip for the summary stuff. When we move to 2.7 there will be little pain. | 20:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | But it will be teh sexies *if* I could get it to work. | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, in 2.6, it's "charts-experimental" | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | does that help? | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | charts/charts-experimental, that is | 20:48 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hahahahha, you brilliant beautiful jackaroo | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | oh, shucks. It's not me | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | it's ack --js | 20:49 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10227 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Remove storiesPerFeed, since that's picked up by the RSS Aspect. | 20:54 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10228 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added Carousel to upgrade script, some code cleanup and template changes | 21:25 |
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* perlDreamer goes running | 21:30 | |
+perlDreamer | good luck with connectivity, Haarg | 21:30 |
@Haarg | it's basically resolved | 21:30 |
@Haarg | was chaning isps at home, but had to run to the office | 21:31 |
* deafferret goes chewing | 21:44 | |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10229 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 21:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Move packages into 7.7.3 for proper upgrade processing. | 21:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Remove extra package for storytopic. | 21:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10230 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: Add missing POD for RssFeed methods. | 21:58 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Anyone had any success getting a dataTipFunction to work in YUI 2.6 charts? | 22:06 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10231 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrixListing.js: removed debugging form matrix listing javascript | 22:59 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10232 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10110: Matrix 2.0 - "Data Error" on Pending Product Listing Updates | 22:59 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: brian * r10233 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added back maximum number of comparisons for a group. | 22:59 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10234 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Added 'too few/many' messages to matrix compare box, rfe# 9965 | 23:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10235 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Survey summaries now use YUI datatables and charts for extra bling. | 23:39 |
* perlDreamer is back, and very tired | 23:46 | |
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+perlDreamer | oh, let's just run this little loop, it'll be fine | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | 1.5 miles later... | 00:12 |
deafferret | ya, I had the same problem eating. jogging and eating are the same slippery slopes | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | indeed. What did you do? | 00:14 |
deafferret | I'll just eat this little $food, it'll be fine. 1200 calories later... :) | 00:14 |
deafferret | 1.5 Kcal later... | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | the scary part is how easy it is to eat 1.5 Kcal. | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | That's 1 Chipotle burrito with all the fixings | 00:15 |
deafferret | actually a food calorie is 1000 science calories, so you're Screwed :) | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | we should all just use hoolies instead | 00:17 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10236 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: updating changelog | 00:18 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10237 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.t: add tests for RSS feeds for the Collaboration | 00:18 |
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+perlDreamer | arjan cracks me up | 00:50 |
Mech422 | I'm back - didja miss me ? | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | oh yeah | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | there was something that I needed to tell you Mech422 | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | related to WebGUI | 00:59 |
Mech422 | tavisto: we submitted on the re-bid of that austin contract - we'll see how it goes... | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | oh! | 00:59 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: aww - you like me!! you really really like me !! :-) | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan is looking at scripting wreconsole setups, which sounds like your provisioning work | 00:59 |
Mech422 | oh - that does sound cool :-) | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | you two might want to get together and talk sometime | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | also, have you read the inaugural issues of WebGUI Network News? | 01:00 |
Mech422 | no, I'm ashamed to say I haven't - I shall remedy that immediately ! It's on pb website, I presume ? | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | perldreamer.com/blog | 01:00 |
Mech422 | ahh - yes, the pd website :-D | 01:01 |
* perlDreamer needs to -- -- some time and fix that problem | 01:01 | |
+cap10morgan | i have the WRE installing and configuring via script now | 01:01 |
+cap10morgan | but i need to get a git repo of webgui setup because we have local mods | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan, meet Mech422 | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422, meet cap10morgan | 01:02 |
* Mech422 waves! | 01:02 | |
+cap10morgan | hello :) | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan is our local OpenId user, he's also a frequent WUC attender | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422 is a recent WebGUI convert, coming from plone-ville | 01:03 |
Mech422 | actually, I've forgotten what I had to futz with wre install - it was _site_ installation/configuration that I really had trouble scripting | 01:03 |
+cap10morgan | ah | 01:03 |
Mech422 | cap10morgan: ahh :-) Nice to meet you :-) | 01:03 |
+cap10morgan | you too Mech422 | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan, if you think those are good core WRE changes, you should talk with SynQ and rizen about contributing it back. | 01:04 |
+cap10morgan | yeah, i plan to | 01:05 |
+cap10morgan | i think it's pretty generic | 01:05 |
+cap10morgan | i'm using it w/ rightscale / ec2 | 01:05 |
+cap10morgan | so it can get pretty specific to that environment if i'm not careful | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | still, it's a good start that could probably be abstracted out | 01:05 |
* cap10morgan wishes webgui was already in git | 01:05 | |
+cap10morgan | yeah | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | soon, cap10morgan | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | WG8 dev is supposed to be in git | 01:06 |
+cap10morgan | yeah, i can't wait | 01:06 |
+cap10morgan | :) | 01:06 |
+cap10morgan | i'll just have to clone the svn repo for now | 01:06 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: hey - wGNN looks good... | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | thanks :) | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | due to overwhelming demand, it will become a CS | 01:10 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: who do I complain to about the re-write being PHP based instead of Python like god and Guido intended ? | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | you would talk to rizen about that | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | and, should anything bad happen to you during or shortly after that, is there anyone I should notify? | 01:10 |
Mech422 | nah - Python is a type safe language :-) | 01:11 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen isn't :/ | 01:11 |
Mech422 | ROFL | 01:12 |
@preaction_ | Python promotes sloppy coding style | 01:12 |
@preaction_ | no braces? how do i know when a block ends? | 01:12 |
Mech422 | preaction_: LOL | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | preaction_: you line up all the little whitespaces | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | or blackspaces, if you have an inverted terminal | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | preaction_: I was going to ask you something else. | 01:13 |
@preaction_ | but then i have to do something like # { and #} to make things look right | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | If we're going to switch Template::Toolkit, can we really poke fun at PHP? | 01:13 |
Mech422 | preaction_: and it causes RSI - what no #%^#^% symbols ? thats gonna wear out your alpha-numeric keys faster! | 01:13 |
@preaction_ | exactly! | 01:13 |
@preaction_ | scoping? what scoping? assignment is declaration? what is that? | 01:13 |
* preaction_ is pointing out the things he actually likes about Python :p | 01:14 | |
Mech422 | I actually think the whitespace thing was a mistake - I'd prefer braces myself...I think guido just put that in there to meet the 'advancing the state of the art' part of his masters thesis :-P | 01:14 |
Mech422 | especially since jerks use tabs and throw the code 72 columns right on the line :-P | 01:15 |
@preaction_ | eh, i think he's right. both novice and professionals are made to code using the same style guidelines | 01:15 |
@preaction_ | and it's far easier to change the indentation than it is to change the entire syntax | 01:15 |
@preaction_ | perltidy works, but when was that made? | 01:15 |
Mech422 | preaction_: oh yeah - the 'only one _approved_ way to do it' mentality does limit learnign curve | 01:16 |
Mech422 | preaction_: but that could have been done with braces too :-P | 01:16 |
Mech422 | preaction_: my biggest gripe are def foo(a=b): print "%s" % a ... | 01:17 |
Mech422 | in a = b, b is evaluated _once_ (the first time) - _not_ everytime the statement is hit as most people would expect | 01:18 |
Mech422 | in "%s" % a - using a sigleton or a tuple for print args but NOT taking a list is a bit confusing | 01:19 |
Mech422 | so now I need to figure out how I screwed my wG theme - 'drag' works, but 'drop' doesnt :-P | 01:21 |
@tavisto | mech422, which project are you referring to? | 01:24 |
Mech422 | tavisto - that project that cignex got, that everyone was up in arms about... | 01:25 |
@tavisto | oh hey that's great news | 01:26 |
Mech422 | tavisto: people put up so much of a fuss, town council cancelled cignex's contract, and re-bidd the job | 01:26 |
@tavisto | pretty sizable dealio too if I remember right | 01:26 |
@tavisto | Plain Black could definitely help you out with any aspects you may need | 01:26 |
Mech422 | last round bids were - $700K , $1.3M, $1.3M | 01:26 |
Mech422 | they specified Plone as the CMS - and we have a 'partner' (associate? client? whatever) in austin that we do plone work for .. | 01:27 |
Mech422 | so they are going in as the primary, and we'll prolly sub under them | 01:28 |
Mech422 | assuming they get it, that is :-) | 01:28 |
@tavisto | ah okay so nevermind that :) | 01:41 |
@tavisto | too bad, they could have had WebGUI. We've got a couple city government internet/intranet projects coming out soon. That should help us reel in some more of them | 01:42 |
* perlDreamer slaps his forehead! He could have had a WebGUI-8 | 01:45 | |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10238 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: More RssFeed POD. | 01:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10239 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): Add a method to return RSS data for a Story, with tests. | 01:46 |
Mech422 | tavisto: yeah - but its nice the work won't be going to India | 01:46 |
Mech422 | tavisto: hmm - I actually know a company that does small city/town sites - they're looking to update their offering ... | 01:47 |
Mech422 | tavisto: it would be very small potatoes - but might be good for some ref. clients ? | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | more WebGUI users and installations is almost always good | 01:47 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: heh - 'almost' - their current offering is based on postnuke .... | 01:48 |
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@tavisto | Mech422 yeah I'm very happy about keeping money in america right now | 01:57 |
Mech422 | tavisto: do you have any links/screenshots/writeups for the gov stuff ? | 01:58 |
@tavisto | Mech422 let me know about ad:tech San Francisco, we'll be there on the 20-24th | 01:58 |
Mech422 | oh crap - totally spaced that - lemme see... | 01:58 |
@tavisto | well we have a whitepaper that includes some government stuff. And a list of government sites. | 01:58 |
Mech422 | could you shoot me a url or a copy ? | 01:59 |
Mech422 | I just spoke to the tech guy at the co. I mentioned above - he'd love to get away from postnuke if possible :-P | 01:59 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10240 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:12 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: getRssFeedItems for StoryArchive, with tests. | 02:12 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: A couple of quick rss/atom url tests. | 02:12 |
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@tavisto | Mech422, I gotta bolt atm, but I'll definitely send you over a copy of the whitepaper | 02:27 |
Mech422 | tavisto: whenever you get a chance | 02:27 |
Mech422 | tavisto: oh, it looks like we can make ad-tech | 02:27 |
@tavisto | great, send me an email with the full names of who is attending and I'll get you registered | 02:28 |
@tavisto | bye all | 02:28 |
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+patspam | perlmonkey2: pingo | 02:28 |
Mech422 | <tmpl_var dragger.init> <- should this go after _every_ content block, or just once after _all_ content blocks ? | 02:40 |
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@preaction_ | Mech422: i think just after all of them | 02:55 |
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wgGuest55 | Hello | 03:14 |
wgGuest55 | when will 64-bit WRE be released? | 03:14 |
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Mech422 | preaction_: thanks :-) | 03:20 |
Mech422 | it appear ^PageTitle() renders an anchor, so it shouldn't be used in <title /> | 03:23 |
Mech422 | (I think I saw <title>^PageTitle(); - ^c(); </title> recommended somewhere ..) | 03:24 |
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+perlDreamer | Mech422, it will render an anchor if used in the context of an operation, or a function. | 03:36 |
+perlDreamer | for an op, it should not be a problem | 03:36 |
+perlDreamer | but for a func... | 03:36 |
+perlDreamer | if it was part of the style template | 03:37 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, if the style template was rendered for the func | 03:37 |
+perlDreamer | which is theoretically possible | 03:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'd file that as a bug, along with all the details | 03:38 |
Mech422 | yeah - it was in a style template | 03:39 |
+perlDreamer | what was the URL when you saw that? | 03:41 |
Mech422 | <a href='pagename' /> | 03:41 |
Mech422 | err.. href = '/pagename' | 03:42 |
+perlDreamer | no, what was the URL of the page containing that? | 03:42 |
Mech422 | it was for 'home' - the front (default) page and it rendered as a href='/home' | 03:42 |
Mech422 | I'm actually more concerned with why drag and drop doesn't work | 03:43 |
Mech422 | I get the admin frame, I get the drag handles - I can drag the handles - but when I 'drop' them, nothing moves | 03:44 |
+perlDreamer | do you have all the required scripts being loaded? | 03:44 |
Mech422 | beats me - the docs just say to include some magic macro in <head> and it will do it all ? | 03:45 |
Mech422 | I have a bunch of YUI stuff getting included ? | 03:46 |
* perlDreamer has never built a style or layout template from scratch. I always start with an existing one. | 03:46 | |
Mech422 | I started with an existing one too | 03:46 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 03:46 |
+perlDreamer | maybe tomorrow I could take a look at it for you? | 03:46 |
Mech422 | (btw - I have a draggable.js getting included ... and draggable.css) | 03:46 |
Mech422 | that would be nice of you :-) | 03:47 |
+perlDreamer | find me tomorrow in the morning time (PDT) and I'll have a look at it | 03:47 |
Mech422 | cool | 03:47 |
Mech422 | we should write up what we do to - for the 'task oriented' stuff we discussed last week | 03:48 |
Mech422 | assuming I understand what we do, I can write it up | 03:48 |
+perlDreamer | sure, "debugging layout templates" :) | 03:48 |
Mech422 | yeah - and 'more required macros for layout templates' - like that dragger.init thing thats not really discussed in the docs | 03:49 |
@preaction_ | or instead you could fix layout to use YUI Event and YUI Dom instead | 03:49 |
Mech422 | preaction_: ? | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | I thought it had been changed to do that already? | 03:49 |
@preaction_ | if you fix Layout, you don't need all the draggable triggers bullcrap | 03:49 |
@preaction_ | no, it should be possible to do the layout template with only needing <div id="GUID" class="contentArea"> | 03:50 |
@preaction_ | so any item with class="contentArea" and an ID will be a content area for a Layout | 03:50 |
Mech422 | that sort of thing would be great for designers | 03:50 |
@preaction_ | exactly | 03:50 |
@preaction_ | no more BS | 03:50 |
Mech422 | at this point, just for reference - I've put about 12 hours in, in 3 hour chunks - on 'converting' a monster template layout | 03:52 |
Mech422 | which I think would be a fairly common task for the 'average' user/integrator | 03:52 |
@preaction_ | well, layout templates arent really supposed to be edited | 03:53 |
@preaction_ | the style template is | 03:53 |
@preaction_ | layout template shouldn't need much editing really | 03:53 |
Mech422 | the problem with this template was the content wasn't all in one chunk... | 03:53 |
Mech422 | I had 2 seperate tables with stuff inbetween, so I used a layout template | 03:54 |
Mech422 | granted I think the html/css is pretty convuluted for such a simple design - but thats what I was given... | 03:54 |
@preaction_ | i'm not second-guessing you, you're probably right for what you need, but be careful you don't put style elements in the Layout template | 03:54 |
Mech422 | preaction_: oh? I didn't realize it was bad form to do so... | 03:54 |
@preaction_ | if you do, you'll break other stuff | 03:54 |
Mech422 | preaction_: crap | 03:55 |
@preaction_ | or you'll have to make a special style for other stuff which is more work | 03:55 |
@preaction_ | really, your style should be everything that will be constant from page to page | 03:55 |
Mech422 | preaction_: I would think that layout changes would be common as well - since everyone 'chunks' content diffently...yeah, I have a layout and a style | 03:55 |
@preaction_ | but i agree that layouts need to be easier to edit | 03:56 |
Mech422 | and I was gonna make one of those preconfigured-on-the-admin-bar content types to allow pages to be added easily without having to set the layout/style manually | 03:56 |
@preaction_ | also, we should integrate YUI Grids and make a nice GUI editor for some templates | 03:56 |
@preaction_ | Mech422: you mean Prototypes? | 03:56 |
@preaction_ | check the Metadata tab, any asset can be made a prototype | 03:57 |
Mech422 | umm - yeah - prototypes :-) | 03:57 |
Mech422 | thats the coolest thing | 03:57 |
@preaction_ | eh, there's cooler stuff ;) | 03:57 |
Mech422 | the 'humane cms' is a buzzword in plone - it has sooo many features people get overwhelmed | 03:57 |
Mech422 | so its considered good form to turn off unused features, pre-configure content types etc | 03:58 |
@preaction_ | heh, i think webgui's moving that direction, but uilevels help a little bit | 03:58 |
Mech422 | but we don't have a system as easy as prototypes for doing it | 03:58 |
@preaction_ | actually, if you want an asset type to always have a certain default set, you can do so in the config file now | 03:58 |
@preaction_ | so you don't have a difference between "Page Layout" and "Page Layout for My Site" | 03:59 |
@preaction_ | i wonder if anyone has written about using UI Levels and Config File asset overrides to make an easier-to-use webgui site | 03:59 |
Mech422 | I think the big thing now is transitioning the 'target market' of docs and stuff from people who _want_ webgui to people who _need_ webgui | 04:00 |
Mech422 | I have $200+ worth of books on wg, and about half that in books on plone | 04:00 |
Mech422 | the plone books did a good job of doing 'low end' stuff, day to day stuff - a poor job of the middle ground stuff, and what seemed to be a decent job of the 'hard stuff' | 04:01 |
+patspam | anyone else ever see errors like: WebGUI::Storage::_addError[105] - Couldn't create file /uploads/mysite/25/b5/25b530d77b0c305bff2519cc31e9af10/.wgaccess because No such file or directory? | 04:01 |
@preaction_ | compare our installed base though, and the developer community | 04:01 |
+patspam | and when you look, the file actually exists | 04:01 |
@preaction_ | patspam: uh... that's rather weird | 04:01 |
Mech422 | the webgui books seem to skip the 'low end' stuff - do a so-so job on the mid-level, and really shine at the high end | 04:02 |
@preaction_ | it's only relatively recently that WebGUI's dev community is starting to flourish again. | 04:02 |
Mech422 | I've read all about cool concepts and foundations in wg, but haven't really been shown how they workd together/how to use them | 04:02 |
+patspam | the files and surrounding dirs are owned by webgui, so doesn't appear to be a permission thing.. | 04:02 |
Mech422 | preaction_: right - its only natural that programmers write docs for programmers... | 04:03 |
@preaction_ | right, and we want to get away from that really | 04:03 |
Mech422 | preaction_: but as wG grows, fewer of the users will be programmers | 04:03 |
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@preaction_ | oh, no, there has always been a small ratio of programmers : users. i think where we differ is in what tasks you're trying to complete | 04:04 |
Mech422 | preaction_: really? | 04:04 |
@preaction_ | you're trying to complete designer tasks, and those docs are written by either our designers, or our programmers | 04:05 |
Mech422 | yeah - designer and admin tasks - basic site layout, some access control etc | 04:06 |
@preaction_ | so there could be a disparity between what we write about and what we assume the audience knows already | 04:06 |
@preaction_ | that's a huge problem in any technical writing though. too much background and you bore the reader, too little background and you confuse the reader | 04:06 |
Mech422 | yeah - I recall a lot of basic html/css stuff in the (designers?) book | 04:07 |
@preaction_ | probably | 04:07 |
Mech422 | which I would think people wanting to use a CMS should already know, or have dedicated book for | 04:07 |
Mech422 | anyway, growing pains are a sign of growth :-) | 04:08 |
@preaction_ | it might be nice to put "Designing for WebGUI: The Basics" and "Designing for WebGUI: Advanced Topics" into seperate books, but then you've got costs and people saying you're just in it for the money, etc... | 04:08 |
@preaction_ | yeah, and we've got a wonderful group of dedicated people (especially those outside of Plain Black) | 04:09 |
@preaction_ | so things have never been better and are only going to keep getting better | 04:09 |
Mech422 | preaction_: well - if you have an 'integrators' track and an 'end users' track on the books, you could probably mitagate soem of that | 04:09 |
@preaction_ | heh, i should blog about how the last three years have gone. i get my new PB-supplied laptop in 6 months, i could write a novel in that time (and i have enough content to do so) | 04:10 |
Mech422 | preaction_: then people could just by the books in the 'track' they need | 04:10 |
Mech422 | preaction_: 6 months to get a lappie? where do you live ?? alaska ?? | 04:10 |
@preaction_ | no, that's the 3-year mark, that's when i get it | 04:10 |
@preaction_ | every 3 years we get a new lappy | 04:10 |
Mech422 | ahh - cool :-) | 04:11 |
@preaction_ | so i'm thinking playing up the angle of "my first apple laptop, and the WebGUI adventure" | 04:11 |
@preaction_ | hemingway, eat your heart out | 04:11 |
Mech422 | btw - donna and I just by whatever book we think is 'best' and send that to our clients as 'documentation'... | 04:11 |
Mech422 | lol | 04:11 |
Mech422 | anyway, we dont have time/staff to produce our own manuals so we buy them retail and give them to clients | 04:12 |
Mech422 | we'd probably do the same with wG | 04:12 |
@preaction_ | JT's gonna be at adtech right? | 04:13 |
Mech422 | I'm not sure - tavisto is I believe | 04:14 |
@preaction_ | tavis and kristi would be the best people to talk about the books with | 04:15 |
+perlDreamer | patspam: /uploads is a root level directory | 04:16 |
+perlDreamer | does it really exist? | 04:16 |
+perlDreamer | or is there some error in the error message? :/ | 04:16 |
* perlDreamer will be right back | 04:16 | |
+patspam | perlDreamer: it does exist on my server | 04:16 |
+perlDreamer | email on the way, patspam. | 04:33 |
+patspam | sweet :) | 04:33 |
* perlDreamer is heading off to orchestra practice for easter, and I won't be back on until tomorrow morning. | 04:33 | |
+perlDreamer | l8r | 04:33 |
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wgGuest45 | Hello I have a question about the collaboration system on webgui | 04:34 |
@preaction_ | wgGuest45: no need to ask to ask, just ask | 04:39 |
wgGuest45 | How can I make attached files visible when using the "topics" option? | 04:40 |
wgGuest45 | For the collaboration system template | 04:40 |
@preaction_ | what is the "topics" option? if files are not showing up, you will need to edit the template | 04:41 |
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wgGuest45 | When I am setting the display options for the collaboration system, there is a pull down menu for choosing the master template, and one of those is topics. I want to use this option, but I also want it to show the attached files in the threads. | 04:43 |
+patspam | preaction_: the error message about "No such file" always appears 1 second before the .wgacess file gets created | 04:43 |
@preaction_ | wgGuest45: what you want to do is take the Topics template and modify it to do what you want | 04:43 |
wgGuest45 | right now it just shows what is written in the thread, but not the attached file. | 04:43 |
wgGuest45 | Ok, how do I do that? | 04:43 |
wgGuest45 | I know how to get to the modify, but what do I need to write in it. | 04:44 |
@preaction_ | if you look in the Help file, there's all the template variables for every template. One of them is called "Collaboration Template". if you need help with the HTML::Template language, there are plenty of documents on the web on how to use it | 04:44 |
wgGuest45 | ok | 04:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: pongo | 04:45 |
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@preaction_ | wgGuest45: i believe it's called something like "attachmentLoop" | 04:46 |
+patspam | perlmonkey2: I got some weird js error when trying to view the yui charts | 04:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: hmm...checking email now | 04:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: hmm, just did a svn revert and a wgd revert and it worked out of the | 04:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | box | 04:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: anymore info on the error message? | 04:52 |
+patspam | hmmm maybe it's my setup | 04:52 |
+patspam | I'll try again | 04:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: I ack'd for console.log man, I swear I did :P | 04:57 |
+patspam | heheh | 04:57 |
+patspam | works in opera | 04:58 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: I'm on 3.0.8 in Fedora and it works. | 04:58 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'll disable firbug and see if that was making it work.. | 04:58 |
+perlmonkey2 | Hmm firebug off/on, admin on/off, doesn't matter. | 04:59 |
+patspam | yeah... i thought it might have been adblock, but that didn't do it.. | 04:59 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: You know, I was getting a random unreferenced javascript flash error that didn't every break anything, but magically came and went. #yui didn't have a clue. I just wrote it off to -experimental. | 05:01 |
+patspam | ok, must be one of my extensions, works fine when i start with "firefox -safe-mode" | 05:01 |
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+perlmonkey2 | just got it to show up again after reloading a few times.try { __flash__toXML(YAHOO.widget.FlashA... { "<exception>" + e + "</exception>"; } | 05:02 |
+patspam | i think it IS adblock | 05:03 |
+patspam | cheeky thing breaks the page even when it's disabled! | 05:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | *cough* *cough* noscript | 05:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: but that is an issue. People will be using noscript | 05:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | err, I mean adblock | 05:06 |
+Radix-wrk | I use adblock plus | 05:06 |
+Radix-wrk | your comment might explain why I get js errors with vimeo videos though | 05:07 |
+Radix-wrk | doesn't bother me as it's just a click to get through.. but it explains them ;) | 05:07 |
+patspam | perlmonkey2: none of the yui chart examples break for me with adblock turned on.. something we're doing must be triggering it | 05:10 |
+patspam | perlmonkey2: bizarre, works fine on Andy's computer, using same firefox, same adblock plus 1.0.1 | 05:17 |
+patspam | only difference is I'm ubuntu, he's mac | 05:17 |
+patspam | btw the charting is awesome :) | 05:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: heh, it is pretty. But nothing fancy. | 05:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: I'm going to clean it up a bit and see if I can find what's going on. | 05:23 |
+patspam | don't worry too much if you can't track it down, sounds like it might be a weird race condition or something that the next version of YUI or adblock might hopefully fix | 05:23 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Someone want to do me a favor? For some reason I can't export the survey.css file to add it to the update package. Could someone add this to the survey.css and add it to the updates? chart | 05:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | { | 05:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | float: left; | 05:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | width: 200px; | 05:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | height: 113px; | 05:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | } | 05:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | #chart | 05:35 |
wgGuest62 | I am not sure how to get attachments to show on the master view of a collaboration system. I was told to edit it, and i have done that. I'm not sure I'm using the right variable. | 05:36 |
wgGuest62 | Do I need to make an attachmentLoop? | 05:36 |
wgGuest62 | and then put <tmpl_var attachment.url> into that? | 05:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10241 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (administersurvey/comm.js administersurvey.js): cleaned up the code | 06:03 |
+patspam | perlmonkey2: pastebin me that css and I'll add it | 06:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | thanks patspam: http://pastebin.com/d51bf8011 | 06:10 |
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+patspam | what about .chart_title? | 06:16 |
+patspam | that and the old #chart css rule are in default survey summary | 06:16 |
+patspam | as well as the text "450 300" =p | 06:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10242 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.3/survey.css.wgpkg: Added changes to survey.css for Kaleb | 06:28 |
+perlmonkey2 | patspam: .chart_title isn't being used and I'll check in the updated surveysummary without the inline css ;) | 06:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | thanks | 06:31 |
+patspam | np :) | 06:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | g'night all | 06:45 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10243 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.3/root_import_survey_default-survey-summary.wgpkg: Removed duplicate css from template. | 07:01 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10244 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 07:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Survey branch expressions can now resolve score()s and value()s from | 07:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: other survey instances. | 07:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10245 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.t: Updated Survey tests to not leave behind versionTag | 07:31 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10246 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): | 09:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Updated Survey help (recordedAnswer, Answer Score, etc..) | 09:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fixed behaviour of Survey Question textInButton | 09:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10247 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 09:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Made Survey use question default score if answer score undefined, | 09:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: updated hoverHelp | 09:16 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10248 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 10:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fixed up Passive Analytics config install (wasn't added to | 10:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: WebGUI.conf.original in version 7.7.70) | 10:01 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10249 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): | 11:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fixed small bug in Survey validation where invalid branch expressions | 11:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: wouldn't be shown | 11:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Improved and i18n'ed Survey validation warning container | 11:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10250 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: | 11:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Added new Survey validation check - jump expressions defined when | 11:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: enableSurveyExpressionEngine disabled site-wide | 11:27 |
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jdanpl | hi every body | 16:15 |
jdanpl | On our server we have little problem with new sites. When I add new site, it seems that there are lack of some elements. For example, on screen I see ^AdminBad(); but not macro's efect. The same with ^AssetProxy(style3_coolmenu); | 16:20 |
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jdanpl | Problem respetcs only new created sites | 16:28 |
jdanpl | There is no way to show admin console. I can managed only by op= links | 16:28 |
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+perlmonkey2 | howdy howdy | 17:32 |
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+perlDreamer | Mech422, want to look at templates? | 17:55 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, I have no plans for 7.7 commits today (unless you want help fixing stuff) | 18:02 |
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@Haarg | ok | 18:04 |
+perlDreamer | I am going going to run a prove suite with TAP::Html::Formatter, though | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | I'll bundle it up and post it somewhere you can see it | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | nice eye candy for reporting | 18:09 |
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+crythias | hello? | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | hey, crythias | 18:21 |
+crythias | hey. I'm trying to work on a dropdown menu ... | 18:21 |
+perlDreamer | in the nav? | 18:22 |
+crythias | (yes) I need to figure out if something is not top level | 18:22 |
+perlDreamer | where top level is absolute, or relative? | 18:22 |
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+crythias | I'm ... not sure. I think absolute, or at least, absolute with regards to where my nav starts | 18:23 |
+crythias | relative. :) | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | let me throw some ideas at you, and see if that helps | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | 1) check out the help page for the navigation template variables | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | 2) currentPage.isHome will tell you if you're at the top | 18:25 |
+crythias | I'm looking. I'm trying to say "all children" | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | where top=default page for the site | 18:25 |
+crythias | or "all descendents" | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | and all the depth, and relDepth variables should help, too | 18:25 |
+crythias | how do I page.relDepth !=0 | 18:26 |
+crythias | or something like. | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | use tmpl_unless ? | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | or tmpl_if | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | since 0 is false | 18:26 |
+crythias | tmpl_if page.relDepth then... | 18:26 |
+crythias | ok. | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I lied. | 18:26 |
+perlDreamer | fixed some broken POD and a hardcoded extra, and committed | 18:27 |
@Haarg | no problem, i'm not starting on release stuff until afternoon | 18:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10251 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Story.t: Add tests for title vs headline in RSS. | 18:35 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10252 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add headline field, with templates. | 18:35 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10253 /WebGUI/etc/hidden: remove files accidently committed. | 18:35 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10254 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.pm: Fix POD syntax error in ExpressionEngine. | 18:35 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10255 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.3/root_import_carousel.wgpkg: Fix hardcoded extras in the Carousel template. | 18:35 |
Mech422 | mornin all | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | yo, Mech422 | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | before I dive into code, want to talk template? | 18:50 |
Mech422 | sure :-) First, can I talk coffee ? | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | sure, you buying? | 18:51 |
Mech422 | LOl - yep, cafe de Mech | 18:53 |
Mech422 | you can drink it, or lube your car with it, your choice :-) | 18:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | if you can't use it as brick mortar, it isn't considered coffee at my house. | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | okay, time for some testing eye candy | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | http://perldreamer.com/uploads/ca/54/ca54e8e117d433b072c755170bbe4ca3/output.html | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | jquery enabled TAP output | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | a few notes | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | the syntax errors are for a script outside of WebGUI | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | and I've fixed the other failures | 18:58 |
+perlmonkey2 | Dude, that is sweet | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | there's some bug in the JS, though | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't want to close | 18:59 |
Mech422 | ooh - purty! thats the automated build/test setup ? | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's just a sample TAP HTML formatter | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | but I think Smolder makes reports like that by default | 18:59 |
@Haarg | another thing i should add to my plans for automated testing though | 19:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | woah, your site is smoking my machine with firebug enabled. | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | it's a huge file, perlmonkey2 | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | 691K of data | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | JS will die | 19:00 |
Mech422 | whats a TAP ? | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | TAP is Test Anything Protocol | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | it's a spec for test programs to output data in a simple, human readable format that is not XML | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | so that it can be post processed | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | there are TAP implementations for many languages | 19:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | hm, closed for me with firebug on | 19:01 |
Mech422 | oh, so its an output format, not a test harness | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | right, the harness causes it to be generated, and then analyzes it | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | and allows it to be post processed into reports like this | 19:02 |
Mech422 | gotcha | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | smolder is a TAP aggregator and report system | 19:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what js was failing? | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | let me see if I can get it fail again | 19:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | you sure it wasn't just trying to close and taking forever to do it? | 19:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | ;P | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | that could be | 19:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | although with firebug off, it opens and closes instantly. | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | you're right, perlmonkey2, it's an "unresponsive script" closing error | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | Script: file:///data/WebGUI_HEAD/jquery-1.2.6.pack.js:11 | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | whoa, just crashed FF | 19:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | maybe it has a memory leak? Try reloading the page and see if it is responsive at first? | 19:05 |
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+perlDreamer | maybe it's real player, too | 19:07 |
* perlDreamer is streaming a radio station | 19:07 | |
bpmedley | <tr><td class="tableHeader"><tmpl_var field.label></td> | 19:29 |
bpmedley | <td class="tableData"><tmpl_var field.value></td></tr> | 19:29 |
bpmedley | default_acknowledgement | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | for the dataform? | 19:29 |
bpmedley | Yes.. were is that processed? | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | bpmedley: inside www_process | 19:30 |
bpmedley | thx | 19:30 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: I want to replace the Survey_questionTypes answers field with a json struct containing several default values for the question types. So that users can customize just about every single part of a default multiple choice answer. Do I need to RFE this, or just do it. Current surveys will seamlessly upgrade to this and won't be affected one iota. | 19:48 |
+perlmonkey2 | Also add an export/import feature so that default sets can be exported from one instance and improted into another. | 19:48 |
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@rizen | perlmonkey2: requests approved | 20:03 |
Mech422 | stDavid: fios! me wants fios!! | 20:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: gacias senor | 20:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | stDavid: you have fios? Tell us what its like to have fios? Is it like having your own unicorn? Do you wake up to the sounds of rainbows and song birds? When you enter a room, do trumpets announce your entry? Is it a little bit like heaven? | 20:07 |
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@stDavid | perlmonkey2: It is so fast that it will burn your eyeballs (if you're not careful) | 20:08 |
+perlmonkey2 | stDavid: mind telling if it is a dumb pipe or do they monitor/block ports/protocols? | 20:09 |
@stDavid | I've got the Business class package - right around 120/mo | 20:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | stDavid: ah, so probably a dumb pipe at stupid silly speeds? | 20:09 |
Mech422 | I have friends on 'Utopia' in Utah - its a municipal fiber system run by about 50 smaller towns - 50Mbps symmetric for $60/month | 20:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, I'm moving to Utah. | 20:10 |
Mech422 | me too :-P | 20:10 |
Mech422 | appears to be no blockage/filtering either, as my friends stream/game/torrent on it | 20:10 |
@stDavid | perlmonkey2: It's dumb - Use my own Cisco gear at the end of a 10Mb raw pipe | 20:10 |
@stDavid | ...and yes, it's VERY fasssst | 20:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | stDavid: that makes me cry a little in happiness. | 20:11 |
@stDavid | It replaced for me 2 T-1's, and I've never looked back | 20:11 |
* stDavid is glad he could make at least one person cry today :} | 20:12 | |
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@preaction_ | today's lesson: Perl treats "0" (a string with a single 0 character) as FALSE, while Javascript treats "0" as TRUE | 20:31 |
+perlDreamer | preaction_: you mean the string 0? | 20:32 |
@preaction_ | yes | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | that would explain what perlmonkey2 saw a while ago in the Survey | 20:33 |
@preaction_ | you'd probably be better off with the empty string, or the number 0 | 20:33 |
@preaction_ | both are Perl and JS false | 20:33 |
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+cap10morgan | is anyone doing anything clever w/ svn:external, for example, to maintain their local modifications to webgui but still pull from the official repo? | 20:44 |
+cap10morgan | or do you pretty much need to import it into git or SVK to do that? | 20:45 |
@Haarg | i use git for that type of thing | 20:45 |
+cap10morgan | Haarg: right, i think i talked to you about that before. i don't suppose you have a how-to / best practices doc up anywhere on that? :) | 20:46 |
@Haarg | http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html is one thing to look at | 20:47 |
@Haarg | it's just a general guide to using git-svn | 20:48 |
@Haarg | nothing specific to webgui i could point to | 20:48 |
+cap10morgan | gotcha | 20:48 |
+cap10morgan | maybe i'll write a wiki page on it if i git somewhere (sorry, couldn't resist, that's how we pronounce it in Oklahoma) | 20:49 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10256 /translations/Norwegian/ (181 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 21:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | cap10morgan: where in Oklahoma? | 21:38 |
Mech422 | tavisto: ping? | 21:43 |
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@tavisto | hi Mech422 | 21:46 |
Mech422 | tavisto: hey - got a sec to talk about the gov stuff ? | 21:47 |
@tavisto | sure, what's up | 21:48 |
Mech422 | I just wanted to give you an intro to the tech guy for that company | 21:48 |
Mech422 | of course, since your available he seems to be MIA - gimme a sec | 21:49 |
Mech422 | got him .. | 21:50 |
Mech422 | tavisto: could you join #mech422 please | 21:50 |
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@tavisto | thanks for the introduction Mech422, it would be nice to work with someone who deals with 200 municipal govs | 22:14 |
Mech422 | Det3's good people - the boss is a bit flighty though | 22:15 |
@tavisto | I'm working with CRCOG and they have like 24 or 29 in their group. They have just been approved to use WebGUI as well. So I do think city government is going to be a growing market for WebGUI | 22:15 |
@tavisto | we have 2-3 migrations in progress and the biggest one is for Worcester, MA | 22:15 |
Mech422 | oh nice :-) Worcester is a good sized place | 22:18 |
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Mech422 | ok - donna's got another webinar to teach, so I'm going home :-) | 22:43 |
Mech422 | see ya all tommorrow | 22:43 |
bpmedley | Given a Date form variable where can I find where it is processed? | 22:52 |
bpmedley | /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm I've got it down to line 169 | 22:53 |
@Haarg | WebGUI::Session::Form::process -> WebGUI::FormValidator::process -> WebGUI::FormValidator::AUTOLOAD -> WebGUI::Form::*::new -> WebGUI::Form::*::getValue | 22:55 |
bpmedley | thx | 23:00 |
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+cap10morgan | if you have, for example, WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm in a custom lib directory (loaded through preload.custom), would that override the DataForm asset included in WebGUI? | 23:29 |
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dionak | yes | 23:51 |
dionak | we've found that to be true | 23:52 |
@preaction_ | yes, that is intended behavior | 23:52 |
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@preaction_ | perlDreamer, Haarg: would this be a good addition to the utility skeleton? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m78b1507b | 00:22 |
@preaction_ | it allows one to do this: for FILE in /data/WebGUI/etc/*com.conf; do perl installNewBreakingNews.pl --configFile=$FILE; done | 00:23 |
@preaction_ | or, alternatively, should there be some other way to simply run a utility script against all sites on the server? | 00:23 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction_: there's a bash-ism for stripping out the file from the path? | 00:24 |
@preaction_ | there is? | 00:24 |
@preaction_ | i don't think there is, hence the diff i pasted | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | basename | 00:24 |
@preaction_ | it detects if the webguiroot is already on the path and then ... i hate you | 00:24 |
@preaction_ | but that would be easier than this bs ;) | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | don't hate me because I'm knowledgeable | 00:25 |
@preaction_ | no, i hate you for making me look like a fool | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | well, in that case, let's talk about javascript | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | so the shoe will be on the other foot | 00:26 |
@preaction_ | but i hate making other people look like fools too! | 00:26 |
@preaction_ | i'm sorry, you can't win here | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | no winning? | 00:29 |
knowmad | +1 to perlDreamer | 00:35 |
knowmad | ;) | 00:35 |
@Haarg | preaction_, i think there would be a better way to do what you are attempting for those scripts, but i think it is a good idea | 00:35 |
@Haarg | also, i want to adjust them so they can be run from anywhere instead of just sbin | 00:35 |
@preaction_ | there is a better way, `basename $FILE` | 00:36 |
@Haarg | well, better than that i mean | 00:36 |
@preaction_ | FindBin ould work there | 00:36 |
@Haarg | what you are really trying to do is get the path relative to the etc directory | 00:36 |
@Haarg | so i would use File::Spec->abs2rel | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | s{my @groupNames = split /\n/, $groups}{var groupNames = groups.split("\n");} ##Perl to javascript? | 00:41 |
@Haarg | of course, wgd already has a command for running util scripts, taking care of those details ;) | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | see? I told you people would like that | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | have you had a chance to review Command/Id.pm ? | 00:47 |
@Haarg | yeah | 00:47 |
@Haarg | a few thoughts | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | I was hoping you might | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | it wasn't well thought out | 00:47 |
@Haarg | first is i'm wondering if it would make sense to combine it with the guid command | 00:47 |
@Haarg | they have different purposes, but it are similar enough that it may make more sense to combine them | 00:48 |
@Haarg | also, it would probably make sense to be able to return the full uploads path for a storage id, since that is the main purpose of converting to hex | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | definitely | 00:49 |
@tavisto | dude I hear the ice cream man... it's like 45 in Michigan.. what the heck | 00:49 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, stop driving around my neighborhood in your creepy ice cream van | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, would you like some ice cream? | 00:50 |
@tavisto | no, but you've got all these flavors I've never heard of. Joomla? Drupal? Plone? What the crap is this stuff | 00:50 |
@Haarg | patspam was thinking that guid could be part of a command to generate other useful things, but i'm not sure what other things like that could be done | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | we can ask him when he wakes up | 00:51 |
@Haarg | i don't think he had come up with anything either, just that it would make sense to combine it with something like that | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | I'll look into merging Id with Guid | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | that will probably mean making Guid generation a switch | 00:52 |
@Haarg | that's the other thing | 00:52 |
@Haarg | it does make sense to merge them | 00:52 |
@Haarg | but it could make the interface a bit odd | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | wgd guid --make | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | wgd guid --make=N | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | wgd guid --toHex guid | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | wgd guid --path guid | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | wgd guid --valid guid | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | if there were no other switches, we could infer --make | 00:54 |
@Haarg | and if a guid was given, assume --valid | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | I can do that | 00:58 |
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+perlDreamer | in javascript, does: for group in (groups) iterate over the elements of the array, groups? | 01:07 |
@Haarg | usually | 01:13 |
@Haarg | but it's probably not a good idea | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | it's better to index manually? | 01:13 |
@Haarg | yeah, because you can attach properties and methods to arrays | 01:15 |
@Haarg | and it would iterate over those as well | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | makes sense, but in this case the array is well controlled since it's the output of split | 01:15 |
@Haarg | yeah, but as a general rule i think it's something to avoid | 01:16 |
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+perlDreamer | interesting, if the data for datatable is empty, it will not call the formatter routine on that cell | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | of course, it helps if you actually call the correct formatter... | 01:31 |
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+perlDreamer | word to the wise | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | GUIDs are not safe javascript variable names | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | aside from database space, is there anything wrong with making GUIDs in hexadecimal format? | 03:03 |
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+patspam | all hail the noob who commits his own site conf to svn! | 03:38 |
+patspam | perlDreamer: thanks for spotting that =p | 03:38 |
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+patspam | luckily it was just a dev conf file, so no sensitive passwords exposed | 03:42 |
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+patspam | $rizen->approveRFE() has a bug, it keeps on returning "ACK" instead of "APPROVED FOR IMMEDIATE COMMIT" | 03:48 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam, phew | 03:55 |
* perlDreamer was away at dinner | 03:55 | |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, are you running tests, by chance? | 03:57 |
@Haarg | yeah, i have a few fixes | 03:57 |
+patspam | impressive: http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups | 03:58 |
@Haarg | committed | 03:58 |
+patspam | can we get a wobject that does that in 7.8? | 03:58 |
@Haarg | 7.8? | 03:59 |
+patspam | oh ok, 7.7 will be fine | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | 7.8 == 8.0 | 03:59 |
@Haarg | i doubt anyone would object if you wanted to build it | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, some testing eye candy for you: http://perldreamer.com/uploads/ca/54/ca54e8e117d433b072c755170bbe4ca3/output.html | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | JS enabled HTML test reports | 04:00 |
+patspam | nice! | 04:01 |
+patspam | perl tools are finally going web 2.0 | 04:01 |
+patspam | whatever that means.. | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | they're purdy | 04:02 |
+perlDreamer | cliky-cliky | 04:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10257 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added changes to changelog for 7.7.3 | 04:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10258 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (SyndicatedContent.pm Collaboration.pm): move back compat method to correct class | 04:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10259 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.t: prevent test from leaking users and surveys | 04:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10260 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): adjusting tests for new behavior | 04:25 |
+patspam | Haarg: thanks for fixing my broken tests | 04:27 |
+patspam | btw, I vote that you add WGDev::Asset::find to WebGUI::Asset | 04:29 |
+perlDreamer | what does find do? | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | fuzzy matching on URLs? | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | I see | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | mine brain is shot from javascript | 04:30 |
@Haarg | it could be useful for macros to use | 04:30 |
+patspam | i can think of at least 1 macro where I've re-implemented that | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | AssetProxy would use it | 04:31 |
+patspam | yeah, and most of them that allow a template param | 04:32 |
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@Haarg | i'll have to talk to rizen about it | 04:42 |
@Haarg | not sure if he'll want to add an ambiguous behavior like that | 04:42 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, how's the release coming? Would it be okay to make some POD coverage commits, or is it better to wait? | 05:07 |
@Haarg | go ahead | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | committed | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | 10261 | 05:08 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10261 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): POD Coverage for Event, SQLReport, Survey, Navigation, Article, and Form/HTMLArea | 05:20 |
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+perlDreamer | bbl, might get skype working on the laptop tonight :) | 06:13 |
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+perlDreamer | w00t! Skype is working | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | now, if fedora will fix the keyboard/mouse detection bugs in its fast startup service | 06:37 |
+perlDreamer | and I can figure out what happened to DVD playback | 06:37 |
+perlDreamer | this laptop will rock | 06:37 |
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@preaction_ | not the bad way, i hope | 07:41 |
@preaction_ | er.. the hard way | 07:41 |
+patspam | in the "i wish haarg would add the ability to.. oh wait maybe i should read to docs first and see if it's already there.." way | 07:58 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Death to lazy load | 18:02 |
SDuensin | I thought it was to Smoochy? | 18:03 |
@Haarg | in what context perlmonkey2? | 18:04 |
@Haarg | also, rizen approved upgrading yui to 2.7, but that will only happen if i find the time to do all the needed changes/testing | 18:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: SurveyJSON was failing on initialization, but the error was coming from a random call to fill out a template. Took me a while to track it back to the object being initialized in that call. | 18:05 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: well that is pretty sweet man, but don't worry about my retarded projects. 2.7 will probably help with some issues I was having with customizing the mouse-over popups on the charts, but the defaults are workable. Other than that, 2.6 is good enough for now. | 18:06 |
@Haarg | it would probably be best to upgrade it, so i'm going to try to get it done, but it's not a high priority by any means | 18:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: just let me know what I can do to help. need me to look through the list of widgets that have changed names or anything? | 18:08 |
+perlmonkey2 | I know charts has gone from -experimental to -beta. | 18:08 |
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@Haarg | the primary things are to check anything that has changed to from beta to stable | 18:09 |
@Haarg | element for example | 18:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, actually it is now just charts with no modifier | 18:09 |
@Haarg | we won't make a ton of use of element directly though, usually only as a prereq for other things | 18:09 |
@Haarg | so it likely will work in most places just by changing the path | 18:09 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, when running the tests, i've been seeing warnings about not being able to call disconnect on a dbh that has already had take_imp_data called on it during global destruction or something along those lines | 18:34 |
* perlDreamer has seen that too, although only when running coverage | 18:34 | |
@Haarg | hmm | 18:34 |
@Haarg | i've tried adding trace code, but haven't gotten the warnings to show up after doing that | 18:35 |
@Haarg | at least i'm not the only person seeing it | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | Google isn't showing anything useful | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | and I don't know what we may have changed to make that start happening | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | let's try this line of reasoning | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | Session->close calls db->disconnect as the very first thing that it does | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | then it iterates over all internally cached keys (objects) and calls delete on each one | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | the first one it calls is _asset | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | when you destroy the asset, won't it call session->close on its copy of the session? | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | if that's true, then moving up the deletion of _db to the front may help | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, you get this when you run any test, or all tests? | 18:57 |
@Haarg | once or twice during a full run through the tests | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | do you remember from which tests? | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | it seems to happen when you try to call disconnect on a dbh handle twice | 18:59 |
@Haarg | i think the sql macro did it a few times | 18:59 |
@Haarg | but not always | 18:59 |
@Haarg | it would probably be good to have DESTROY work different on WebGUI::SQL, but i'd just like to know what caused this to start before i change a bunch of stuff | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | it might not have been anything that we've done | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | since, on my machine, using Devel::Cover causes it to happen every time | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | and without it, it doesn't happen | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | (running User.t) | 19:01 |
@Haarg | hmm | 19:06 |
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+perlDreamer | either that, or it's been happening all along, and recent changes to DBI have made it show up | 19:06 |
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+perlDreamer | the POD on DBI talks about take_imp_data | 19:07 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/93139 | 19:09 |
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@Haarg | might try making that change | 19:09 |
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+perlDreamer | I'll try that on my end | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | okay, another data point, it doesn't show up in 7.7.0 | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | (User.t, with Devel::Cover) | 19:15 |
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+perlDreamer | between then and now, I added the Config and Setting restore code to WebGUI::Test | 19:16 |
@Haarg | hm | 19:17 |
@Haarg | that could be relevant | 19:17 |
@Haarg | settings specifically | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | yes, and here's why | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | I cloned the whole settings object | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | including the session | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | when we close the original, there's still a reference to it in $originalSetting | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | which goes out of scope as the script ends | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | and then calls DESTROY, which tries to close the session, and then the dbh | 19:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | How would you transition from an ajax call to providing the user with a file download? | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, that means that your patch should help, since it won't close it twice | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | or, maybe I should just clone the data part of the settings... | 19:23 |
@Haarg | i think both would probably be good | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | when we do WebGUI 8, are we going to start using C::IO or Crud everywhere? | 19:23 |
@Haarg | not certain | 19:25 |
@Haarg | probably in more places | 19:25 |
@Haarg | i'm probably going to add some methods to Config::JSON for interacting with arrays and bump WebGUI's version req so we can use them | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | like using List::MoreUtils insert_after? | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | a contains method would be nice, too | 19:27 |
@Haarg | exactly | 19:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10265 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Default Survey Question settings now save 100% of the answer configuration data. This will not affect previous Surveys, but allow new defaults to be more complex if desired. | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | $config->insert_after('key1', 'newKey') unless $config->contains('newKey') | 19:27 |
@Haarg | adding things to ContentHandlers gets messed up far too often in upgrades | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | that would be beautiful | 19:27 |
@Haarg | probably insert_before as well | 19:28 |
@Haarg | well, insertBefore | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, "common" perl naming convention vs camelCase | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | you saw that Alias dinged Config::JSON because of that? | 19:28 |
@Haarg | yes | 19:29 |
@Haarg | not that i disagree | 19:29 |
@Haarg | bumping the version req means i can do the config reset for tests easier | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | awesome | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | let me test the data clone, then commit | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | committed | 19:34 |
* perlDreamer is glad he made Setting->get | 19:34 | |
+perlDreamer | return everything | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | I'm sorry if that caused you any headaches with the release, Haarg | 19:34 |
@Haarg | not really | 19:34 |
@Haarg | thanks for fixing it though | 19:35 |
@Haarg | did you apply the disconnect patch as well? | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | No, I'll add it, too | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | committed | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | and the technical debt of WebGUI is held in balance | 19:42 |
+perlDreamer | hm, there must be more problems with RSS, since the news on wG.org is still broken | 19:48 |
@Haarg | heh | 19:49 |
@Haarg | which page? | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | wg.org/participate | 19:49 |
@Haarg | i just didn't notice that one to fix it | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | but if you put in a backwards compatible sub into the CS, it shouldn't need to be fixed...? | 19:54 |
@Haarg | no, the feeds linked to the RSSFromParent assets, which had their own distinct urls | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | so we're still going to see RSS breakage then | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | people could put a redirect into their apache config | 19:56 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10266 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: | 19:56 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Only clone the data from Setting. This prevents trying to close the | 19:56 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: session dbh twice and getting odd warning messages. | 19:56 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10267 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: Prevent closing dbh handles twice. | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, do we need a gotcha about that, about RSS urls not working any longer? | 20:17 |
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@Haarg | yeah, we do. i intended to add that but forgot to when making the other tweaks to the rss stuff. | 20:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10268 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added default question type export function. | 21:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10269 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Survey [[question variable]] now returns the shown answer text for multiple choice questions, and the recorded value for non-multiple choice questions. | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: how do I do the same thing as session->log->warn(Dumper $obj) in javascript? | 21:02 |
@preaction_ | perlDreamer: if you have Firebug, console.log( obj.toSource() ) | 21:03 |
@Haarg | console.log in you have firebug | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | do I need to define an obj.toSource, or is it provided for me? | 21:03 |
@preaction_ | toSource() is a built-in | 21:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: bewares the Ides of March (and using console.log). | 21:03 |
@preaction_ | there's also YUI logger and YUI JSON which you could combine into a nice WebGUI.log package | 21:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | anything not using firebug will throw an impossible to determine exceptoin. | 21:04 |
@Haarg | do you actually need the toSource when using console.log ? | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | preaction_: do you _really_ want me writing javascript libraries? | 21:04 |
@preaction_ | why not? | 21:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: when I need some introspection I just use the debugger. | 21:05 |
@preaction_ | Haarg: dunno | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | patspam wrote a blog posting about YUI logging | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | it was in the latest WNN | 21:06 |
@Haarg | if you are certain you will be removing it using console.log is probably easier | 21:06 |
+perlDreamer | can I put console.log "anywhere" I want to? | 21:11 |
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@Haarg | i think so | 21:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10270 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 21:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: updated change log to reflect all new versions of modules and bug fixes | 21:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: added upgrade to 0.9.2 | 21:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: removed legacy berkley db | 21:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: added lcms color profiling for image magick | 21:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: updated image magick to fix a few outstanding image generation issues | 21:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10271 /wrebuild/build.sh: forgot to update version number for image magick in the build script | 21:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10272 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh getsource.sh): making these executable in svn | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | while the debugger is running, I can look at variables. | 21:35 |
+perlDreamer | is there a way to do that after the scripts have stopped running? | 21:35 |
@preaction_ | perlDreamer: yes, in the console you can type a var name and it will show up | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | that's helpful. thanks! | 21:38 |
dionak | does anyone know where the new request tracker asset is available? | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | github? | 22:01 |
@Haarg | nope | 22:01 |
@Haarg | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/experimental/HelpDesk/ https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/experimental/HelpDesk/ | 22:02 |
dionak | ah, thanks Haarg | 22:02 |
* perlDreamer goes running | 22:04 | |
dionak | so disciplined | 22:04 |
dionak | does anyone here know about the HelpDesk asset? | 22:13 |
dionak | i realize it's not ready for prime time yet | 22:13 |
dionak | but i'd like to take it for a test run | 22:13 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10273 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): added tiff support to image magick | 22:53 |
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wgGuest32 | How can I make the "add file" option in a file folder available to non admin users? | 22:54 |
@preaction_ | you have to add a permissions override to the config file, and then make a link for the add file that will show up in the template | 23:02 |
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SDuensin | Anyone know where 1and1 is located? I can't kick their ass if I can't find them. | 23:06 |
@preaction_ | dunno, but i use them for all my stuff and i don't have problems. what's the dealio? | 23:07 |
@preaction_ | well, all my stuff means "domain registration and DNS" | 23:07 |
SDuensin | Good god. Ok, here's what happened... | 23:08 |
SDuensin | I have a dummy domain I test with before I break actual customer domains... | 23:09 |
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SDuensin | I changed the primary and secondary name servers for it to something new I wanted to play with. Didn't do exactly what I wanted, so I set up my own copy of bind9 and pointed it at that... | 23:09 |
SDuensin | Next thing I get is that the Domain Registration is in Error. I can no longer edit it... | 23:10 |
@preaction_ | wow | 23:10 |
SDuensin | Oh, we're just getting started. | 23:10 |
SDuensin | So I call tech support. The chain looks like this so far: | 23:10 |
SDuensin | Tech->Dedicated->Transfers->Tech->EMail->Tech->Dedicated->Transfers | 23:11 |
SDuensin | The lady in Transfers is the only one worth a shit. She tracked down the actual responsible people and got it fixed. Maybe. | 23:11 |
SDuensin | Now some dude says if I want to change my name servers that I need to register the domain with Verisign. What?! | 23:11 |
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SDuensin | Did I mention the transfer department asked me to email them my control panel password? Sheesh. | 23:13 |
@tavisto | SDuesin, 1&1 has multiple data centers, their headquarters is in Chesterbook, PA | 23:14 |
@tavisto | er SDuensin | 23:14 |
@tavisto | :) | 23:14 |
@tavisto | they have like 7.5 million customers so yeah, going thru support is like going through the american gladiators guantlet | 23:14 |
SDuensin | Well, wherever Carol is, she needs a raise. | 23:14 |
* SDuensin told her that, too. | 23:14 | |
@tavisto | I had a virtual server with them for about a month. And then I said the hell with this :) | 23:15 |
SDuensin | I have two dedicated boxes and a ton of domains. Never had a problem before. | 23:16 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10274 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10142: Matrix 2.0 - Search screen compare button not functional | 23:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10275 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey.pm): Survey drag-and-drop now returns the edit box for the item just drug. | 23:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10276 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10142: Matrix 2.0 - Search screen compare button not functional | 23:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10277 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixed the matrix categories property | 23:24 |
wgGuest87 | How can I make a users not have to be admins and be able to add files to folders? | 23:24 |
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wgGuest87 | anybody? | 23:26 |
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@preaction | wgGuest87: two things: you have to add a permissions override in the config file. you have to add a link in the template. | 23:26 |
@preaction | i told you before you left last time | 23:26 |
wgGuest87 | Sorry about that, I was having computer issues | 23:26 |
wgGuest87 | Can you please resend your response? | 23:27 |
@preaction | that was my response, right there | 23:27 |
wgGuest87 | Ok, thank you. | 23:28 |
wgGuest87 | So my next question is how do I provide a permissions overide? I would assume it goes into the html code for the template. | 23:28 |
wgGuest87 | May I have an example code please? | 23:29 |
@preaction | no, the permissions override goes in the configuration file. check the configuration file for details | 23:29 |
@preaction | i should mention that you can purchase a support-only service from Plain Black that will be far more reliable than any Joe Random IRC User | 23:30 |
wgGuest87 | Ok... | 23:30 |
wgGuest87 | Where is this config file located? | 23:30 |
@preaction | the Administrator's Guide book, offered by Plain Black, also goes through all this stuff | 23:31 |
@preaction | /data/WebGUI/etc | 23:31 |
wgGuest87 | Ok. | 23:31 |
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wgGuest87 | I can't seem to find the information needed... Is it possible you could direct me to the config file location? Is this something that has to be done on the server level? | 23:38 |
@preaction | if "on the server level" you mean on a command-line, yes. | 23:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10278 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh): added image magick color profile | 23:53 |
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Chizad | Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of things to check to help track down scheduler tasks not running/webgui.log getting spammed with "response for job $site.conf-taskId had a communications error" messages? | 00:08 |
Chizad | I've been trying to track this down for a few days now on a new install and AFAICT everything looks okay, but I know I've gotta be missing something. | 00:09 |
Chizad | Environment is a base Ubuntu server 8.10 install with WRE 0.9.1 (also had the same issue with WRE 0.8.5). | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | you'd have to be more specific Chizad | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | which one isn't running | 00:11 |
Chizad | None of them, AFAICT. | 00:11 |
Chizad | And gimme a sec, I'm working on all the things I've tried/what I've found via troubleshooting. :) | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | have you read through the wiki and forums? | 00:12 |
@preaction | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test | 00:12 |
Chizad | I've gone through the troubleshooting steps in the admin guide; the spectre test checks out fine, debug shows it trying to run the workflows/tasks, and whenver it hits a task it spits out the "response for job had a communications error" message along with a HTTP 500 error being returned from the server. | 00:14 |
Chizad | spectreSubnets in the site config is set to 127.0.0.1/32 and the server's actual IP (also as a /32) | 00:15 |
@preaction | Chizad: LWP does 500 errors for DNS lookups. is the domain name in the /etc/hosts file? | 00:16 |
@preaction | LWP does 500 errors for a bunch of things that don't have http status codes | 00:17 |
Chizad | Yes, in /etc/hosts I've got the short/long hostnames (i.e 'hostname' and 'hostname.domain.tld' aliased to the machine's IP) | 00:19 |
@preaction | but not 127.0.0.1? | 00:20 |
Chizad | As well as the default 127.0.0.1 localhost bit | 00:20 |
Chizad | No, 127.0.0.1 is just aliased to localhost. | 00:20 |
@preaction | i'm suspecting it's some sort of DNS+connection problem. can you do a "wget http://sitename/?op=spectreGetSiteData" | 00:20 |
@preaction | and have a JSON hash returned? | 00:21 |
Chizad | Yes. | 00:21 |
Chizad | And running the workflows manually with curl/wget returns complete, but running a task manually with curl returns 'error' | 00:21 |
@preaction | check the webgui error log then | 00:22 |
@preaction | 'error' responses show up there | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | default error log level set wrong? | 00:22 |
Chizad | webgui.log is filled with blocks of the following for each of the default workflows/tasks: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4ac64339 | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | Chizad, are all the workflowId errors in that log starting with "pbcron" | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | also, while we're here, what version of WebGUI, do you use the WRE, if so, which version? | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | what does the output of sbin/testEnvironment.pl --simpleReport say? | 00:27 |
Chizad | All the crontab errors in the log start with pbcron, all the workflow errors do not | 00:28 |
Chizad | Currently on WebGUI 7.6.19, although the problem also existed in 7.16.17, 7.16.16, and 7.6.15 (initial install version). | 00:29 |
Chizad | And I am using the WRE, current version is 0.9.1, but first noticed the problem when I was running 0.8.5 | 00:29 |
+perlDreamer | everything else about WebGUI works fine? Logging in, turning on admin, uploading and downloading files? | 00:33 |
Chizad | testenvironment output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5e36d6df | 00:33 |
Chizad | yep | 00:33 |
Chizad | logging in, admin mode, adding/editing objects, committing version tags, importing packages, all works fine. | 00:33 |
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+perlDreamer | committing version tags? Do you use autocommit? | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | Which OS? | 00:35 |
Chizad | Ubuntu 8.10 server | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | SELinux? | 00:35 |
Chizad | and by autocommit do you mean "commit without approval" for version tag workflow? (sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm a webgui newb) | 00:35 |
Chizad | hmmm, I think 8.10 might have SELinux at least partially enabled by default | 00:36 |
SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer, where is the MAX_BODY setting hidden? | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | why not check your logs to see if you're getting SELinux warnings, too. | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, what is MAX_BODY? | 00:36 |
SDuensin | (20014)Internal error: Content-Length header (115204477) exceeds configured max_body limit (67108864), referer: http://vgs.jaegertech.net/2009?func=add;class=WebGUI::Asset::FilePile | 00:37 |
SDuensin | Something to do with modperl, apparently. | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | that's not a WebGUI setting | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like apache | 00:37 |
SDuensin | Bad user! It's in the wiki. :-) | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's either 50 karma or 500 pushups, whichever you prefer | 00:41 |
Chizad | Okay, AFAICT ubuntu (server anyway) has selinux disabled (only mentions I'm finding are in kern.log/dmesg saying it's disabled at boot), but it does have AppArmor installed, which is a selinux-alike. | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | if you choose the karma route, please give it to BartJol | 00:41 |
SDuensin | He can give it back - that wiki entry is confusing. Is it APREQ2_ReadLimit or APREQ_ReadLimit? Make up your mind! :-P | 00:42 |
Chizad | However, apparmor does not have any profiles set up. | 00:42 |
Chizad | Hmmm, I know I've checked this before, but I just noticed something. | 00:47 |
Chizad | Some of the threads I found in the forums mentioned checking spectreIp/spectrePort/spectreSubnets in the site's .conf as well as the ip/port/webguiPort settings in spectre.conf | 00:47 |
Chizad | spectreIp is set to just 127.0.0.1 and not that and the actual IP of the server. Is that correct? | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | that should work fine | 00:52 |
Chizad | okay | 00:53 |
Chizad | for completeness sake, here's the rest of those settings: spectre's port is set to 32133 in both the site .conf and spectre.conf, spectre's set to run on 127.0.0.1, and the webguiPort is 8081 | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | Chizad, those settings look all right | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | although I can't speak about the webguiPort setting, since I don't use the WRE | 01:02 |
* perlDreamer strongly suspects apparmor | 01:03 | |
Chizad | site was created via the wreconsole following the instructions in the wiki, and until noticed the errors in webgui.log and started trying to troubleshoot this I hadn't so much as looked at any of the conf files, let alone modified them. | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | that's why I'm suspecting something in the native OS | 01:04 |
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Chizad | okay, lemme disable apparmor real quick | 01:07 |
Chizad | Completely removed apparmor, rebooted the server, still gettting the same communication error message. | 01:14 |
Chizad | Ya think maybe it just doesn't like me? ;) | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | thou art cursed | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | perl spectre.pl --test works okay? | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | wget http://www.mysite.com?op=spectreSetSiteData works okay? | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | what user are you doing that as? | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | root? | 01:22 |
Chizad | 'perl spectre.pl --test' returns "Running connectivity tests.\n Testing ThePortal.conf\n Tests completed" | 01:23 |
Chizad | And wgetting the op=spectreSetSiteData returns the HTML for the home page, which I assume is what it's supposed to do. | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | no | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | that isn't what it is supposed to do | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | it's supposed to return you a piece of javascript | 01:25 |
Chizad | huh | 01:26 |
Chizad | and yes, I've been running all of my debug commands and everything as root | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | like this: http://gist.github.com/93338 | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | and I mistyped the wget command | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | it should be wget http://www.mysite.com?op=spectreGetSiteData | 01:28 |
Chizad | ahhh, okay | 01:28 |
Chizad | yes, that returns the JSON object wiht the workflow instances and scheduler tasks | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | on your machine right now, is spectre running as root, or some other user? | 01:29 |
Chizad | right now it's running as root because I started it manually in debug mode | 01:30 |
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Chizad | But normally (when I let it start on boot with the initscripts) it's running as root as well. | 01:31 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10279 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Carousel.pm Asset_Thingy.pm): Update from translation server | 01:52 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10280 /translations/German/German/Workflow_Activity_RemoveOldCarts.pm: Update from translation server | 01:52 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10281 /translations/German/German/Asset_FlatDiscount.pm: Update from translation server | 01:52 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10282 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:52 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add missing template variables to the Story Archive. | 01:52 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add RSS and atom template variables. | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, when I go to the link you posted in bug, I get a pop-up | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | alert box | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | do you? | 02:16 |
@tavisto | which link | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix/cms-matrix/webgui?func=viewScreenshot | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | I get a little pop-up that says func=getAttributes | 02:17 |
@tavisto | yeah it's debug code | 02:18 |
@tavisto | I already posted it as bug | 02:18 |
@tavisto | and Yung fixed it. It was extra debug code | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | it's still there | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | oh, but not activated yet | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | ? | 02:19 |
@tavisto | well the new version it will be fixed | 02:31 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, I thought he closed the bug report re: the debug code | 02:32 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10283 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Adding RSS and Atom template variables to the Story Topic. | 02:41 |
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wgGuest91 | I'm having some trouble with User Lists. I've set profile to public for each user and also in the template I've selected override public. It still shows as "Field Not Public" in the list. If I log in as the user, their listing is normal. Any ideas? | 05:14 |
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+perlDreamer | wgGuest91, is there a difference between Field Not Public, and Profile Not public? | 07:19 |
+perlDreamer | each field has its own privacy setting | 07:19 |
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wgGuest91 | Where is the privacy setting for each field set? | 09:27 |
wgGuest91 | Is it global or per profile? | 09:27 |
@preaction | wgGuest91: you can set them in the User Profile tab of the admin console | 09:46 |
@preaction | but it is also per profile as well | 09:46 |
+Radix_ | you can set the defaults for new users by altering the visitor profile | 09:48 |
+Radix_ | but it will not affect users accounts who have already been created | 09:49 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10284 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 18:33 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: fixed dragDrop to use a handle rather than the whole | 18:33 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: object for dragdrop start events. | 18:33 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10285 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10141: Matrix 2.0 - Search does not check matching products | 20:29 |
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Khaytsus | I'm in the process of upgrading from 7.4.19 to the latest. I updated along the path suggested by the gotcha text, I updated to 7.4.40 first, worked. 7.5.24 fine, now 7.6.19, but when I run testEnvironment now it says WebGUI modules: Not Found. Perhaps you're running this script from the wrong place. | 20:48 |
Khaytsus | And not sure how to progress from here. :/ | 20:49 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10286 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fixed #10141: Matrix 2.0 - Search does not check matching products | 21:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10287 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrixSearch.js: fixing a javascript error in matrix search screen | 21:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10288 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrixSearch.js: fixed a javascript error on matrix search screen | 21:01 |
@Haarg | Khaytsus, did it find the rest of the modules properly? | 21:13 |
Khaytsus | Yeah, no errors to there. | 21:31 |
Khaytsus | I'm trying an earlier package, to see if it helps | 21:31 |
Khaytsus | Having a alittle weirdness with upgrade and tables | 21:32 |
@Haarg | in what way? | 21:32 |
Khaytsus | Adding URL column to assetHistoryDBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate column name 'url' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135. | 21:33 |
@Haarg | sounds like a busted upgrade | 21:33 |
@Haarg | what has your proceedure been so far? | 21:34 |
Khaytsus | Following the gotcha document, upgrading whenever it says "you must have xyz" | 21:34 |
Khaytsus | Maybe I'll start over.. heh | 21:34 |
@Haarg | but what versions etc? | 21:34 |
Khaytsus | 7.4.19 -> 7.4.40 -> 7.5.24 -> 7.5.40 -> 7.6.19 (last one is failing) | 21:35 |
Khaytsus | In upgrade it's actually failing 7.5.40-7.6.10 | 21:35 |
@Haarg | a warning - if you were to extract the 7.6.19 tarball, then extract the 7.5.40 tarball, it could lead to problems when you tried to run the 7.5.40 upgrade | 21:37 |
Khaytsus | I might have actually done that to be honest, I didn't notice I needed 7.5.40 until after I started 7.6.19 | 21:38 |
Khaytsus | I'm gonna fall back to 7.4.19 and start over | 21:38 |
@Haarg | that sounds like a good idea | 21:39 |
@Haarg | just be sure to erase the WebGUI/docs/upgrades directory before extracting an older tarball and it will prevent those problems | 21:39 |
Khaytsus | Ah, I'll do that. | 21:43 |
Khaytsus | Okay, 7.4.19 is back up | 21:43 |
Khaytsus | 7.4.19 -> 7.4.40 -> 7.5.24 -> 7.5.40 -> 7.6.19 sounds okay to you? | 21:43 |
@Haarg | yes | 21:43 |
Khaytsus | kk | 21:43 |
* Khaytsus rubs hands together | 21:44 | |
@Haarg | although you shouldn't need to stop at 7.5.24 | 21:44 |
Khaytsus | Thanks for your help, by the way! | 21:44 |
Khaytsus | ah, okay I'll skip that one then | 21:44 |
@Haarg | hopefully it works better this time | 21:44 |
Khaytsus | So let me doublecheck something.. What I'm doing is this: Unsquish tar on top of existing, go into sbin, run testEnv to make sure my modules are up to snuff, then run upgrade | 21:45 |
Khaytsus | Of course now, the modules should be good, but :) | 21:45 |
@Haarg | yep, that's correct | 21:45 |
Khaytsus | I'm sure whatever it was, it was user error. Upgrades have always gone well for me with WebGUI :) | 21:50 |
Khaytsus | Hmm, I got up tp 7.5.40, but now the testEnvironment script from 7.6.19 is reporting WebGUI modules: Not Found. Perhaps you're running this script from the wrong place. | 21:52 |
@Haarg | what happens if you run perl -mWebGUI -e1 | 21:53 |
@Haarg | ? | 21:53 |
@Haarg | well, you'd probably need to run perl -I/data/WebGUI/lib -mWebGUI -e1 | 21:54 |
Khaytsus | Yeah, that's what I was gonna sak ;-) | 21:54 |
Khaytsus | Can't locate Clone.pm in @INC | 21:54 |
@Haarg | hmm | 21:55 |
@Haarg | well, that's less than ideal | 21:55 |
@Haarg | you should be able to install that module fine | 21:55 |
Khaytsus | That a WebGUI module? | 21:55 |
@Haarg | but that would mean we missed a prereq in testEnv | 21:55 |
Khaytsus | ooh, okay | 21:55 |
Khaytsus | cpan I go | 21:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10289 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.4/root_import_carousel_carousel-hidden-textareas.wgpkg: small change to Carousel hidden textarea template | 21:55 |
Khaytsus | Hmmm, do you know offhand what might be it? Hash::Merge maybe? | 21:56 |
@Haarg | it should just be Clone | 21:56 |
Khaytsus | kiss :) | 21:57 |
Khaytsus | yay, no error with the test | 21:58 |
Khaytsus | upgrade running | 21:58 |
Khaytsus | WebGUI Build Version:7.6.19-stable | 21:59 |
Khaytsus | Yay! | 21:59 |
Khaytsus | Hmmmm, odd, admin mode is drawn all over the place, instead of the menu on the lefthand side. | 22:01 |
Khaytsus | Probably a template setting of mine or such.. | 22:05 |
@Haarg | most likely | 22:08 |
@Haarg | not clear on what you mean by drawn all over the place though | 22:08 |
Khaytsus | http://imagebin.org/45167 | 22:15 |
Khaytsus | Looks fine with admin off, so the site is okay, just a bit wacky with the admin right now | 22:18 |
@Haarg | seems like it's not loading the css or the js properly | 22:25 |
Khaytsus | duh, let me check logs then, didn't consider that | 22:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10290 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added some tmpl_vars to thingy's search template | 22:26 |
Khaytsus | File does not exist: /data/domains/webgui.theblackmoor.net/public/extras/yui/build/menu/assets/skins | 22:27 |
Khaytsus | 'spect that's part of it | 22:27 |
Khaytsus | Yep, I never knew I needed to replace the /domains/site/public/extras, probably missed that somewhere | 22:31 |
Khaytsus | One more odd thing is when I go to manage assets, it never shows 'em.. Where it would list them, it just shows "Loading..." forever. | 22:37 |
Khaytsus | heh, now it loads. It was just waiting for me to ask one more dumb question. | 22:39 |
@Haarg | usually extras is done as an alias directly to /data/WebGUI/www/extras | 22:40 |
Khaytsus | :o | 22:40 |
Khaytsus | I had copied | 22:40 |
Khaytsus | I'll fix that so it won't happen again | 22:40 |
Khaytsus | Alrighty, looks good now. I probably need to look into merging the old Style 02 I had modified for myself into the Style 03, but right now things look good. Thank you for all of your help! | 22:45 |
@Haarg | no problem | 22:46 |
Khaytsus | It's a shame what little I use of WebGUI, but better too much than too little I guess. | 22:50 |
Khaytsus | ie: I scratch the surface of what it can do | 22:50 |
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daviddelikat | elnino hows it going | 23:14 |
elnino | I'm directionless. =) I have things I should be doing, but not, and things am I doing that aren't that important. =( Other than that. great! | 23:14 |
daviddelikat | sounds like every day to me | 23:15 |
elnino | And to top it all, IT's BEAUTIFUL outside. I should be outside getting vit D instead of surfing for who knows what. | 23:17 |
daviddelikat | I don't hava window so that helps | 23:18 |
daviddelikat | but the internet is enough distraction... | 23:18 |
elnino | daviddelikat - do you know anything about alexa? | 23:27 |
elnino | .com? | 23:27 |
daviddelikat | not really | 23:27 |
elnino | ok | 23:27 |
daviddelikat | thinking about investing | 23:28 |
daviddelikat | ? | 23:28 |
elnino | like I said. Just surfing, I've come across it a couple times, wondering what it's all about. | 23:28 |
daviddelikat | I think they use data from search engines to rank web sites | 23:29 |
elnino | I wonder which engines | 23:32 |
daviddelikat | yahoo, google, all the big ones. | 23:32 |
daviddelikat | they have stats that you can access | 23:33 |
daviddelikat | http://www.google.com/trends | 23:35 |
elnino | cool- google tracks the flu. There's a tangent I didn't expect. oh. I'm going to get off the computer and organize now.. Have a good day daviddelikat! | 23:43 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10291 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Date.pm): | 02:18 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Form::Date::toHtml was coded to set value tgo the default this caused | 02:18 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: the default value to be displayed in some cases. | 02:18 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10292 /translations/Serbian/ (168 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 00:10 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10293 /translations/Serbian/Serbian/DateTime.pm: Update from translation server | 00:10 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10294 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added alphanumeric sort button to Matrix defaul view | 00:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10295 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added alphanumeric sort button to Matrix default view | 00:39 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10297 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed bug 9989: thing pagination no longer includes datasave params | 04:06 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, if you're fixing bugs, don't forget to backport them to the 7.6 branch | 04:07 |
* perlDreamer will be back later | 04:08 | |
daviddelikat | thanks perlDreamer | 04:13 |
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daviddelikat | where do packages go for stable bug fixes? | 05:08 |
daviddelikat | this is just a simple template edit | 05:10 |
daviddelikat | brb | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat: /data/branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/packages_{correct_package_version} | 05:11 |
daviddelikat | so the last package directory is versioned 7.6.8, is that the correct one? | 05:14 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: I thought those directories were used by the upgrade process? | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | they are | 05:15 |
daviddelikat | is there an upgrade for bugfix reledases? | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | there is only 1 upgrade process | 05:15 |
+perlDreamer | it does new issues, and bugfixes as well | 05:16 |
daviddelikat | I thought new stuff would not go out to stable sites | 05:16 |
daviddelikat | oh, I get it. | 05:16 |
daviddelikat | never mind... | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 05:18 |
+perlDreamer | Happy Easter, daviddelikat | 05:18 |
daviddelikat | he is risen... | 05:19 |
+perlDreamer | He is risen, indeed | 05:21 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10298 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 05:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: fixed bug 9989: thing pagination no longer includes datasave params | 05:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: fixed bug 9764: dragDrop to use a handle rather than the whole | 05:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: object for dragdrop start events. | 05:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: fixed bug 10122: Form::Date::toHtml was coded to set value tgo the default this caused | 05:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: the default value to be displayed in some cases. | 05:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10299 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm: Correct the Group.pm POD for delete. | 05:40 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10300 /WebGUI/t/ (Group.t Asset/Asset.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm Asset/Post.t): | 06:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Provide a way for WebGUI::Test to register groups to clean up at | 06:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: the end of a test. | 06:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Convert several tests to use that, including Post.t, which leaked Groups. | 06:19 |
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dionak | does anyone know of an existing macro that i can pass a file asset Id and get the web url back? I am using a sql report that is pulling data from thingy | 17:57 |
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+perlDreamer | brief announcement | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI Network News issue #2 is released | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | http://perldreamer.com/wnn/issue-2 | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | as requested, it's in web format | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | and I think weekly is too frequent, as there's not as much content in issue #2 as issue #1 | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | any thoughts? | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | did I miss any newsworthy news last week? | 18:37 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10301 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed product/manufacturer links for pending matrix listings | 18:52 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10302 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed product/manufacturer links on pending matrix lisstings | 18:52 |
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@rizen | the only thing you missed, because i didn't announce it (bad JT) is big bugfix day tomorrow | 19:06 |
@rizen | whole PB staff will be working on it | 19:06 |
@rizen | hopefully community too | 19:06 |
@rizen | i'm announcing it in my blog this morning | 19:06 |
* perlDreamer puts on his bug busting hat | 19:07 | |
+perlDreamer | I'm sure that all 7 WNN readers will be there, too :) | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | and in non-WebGUI news, I got skype up and working on my laptop over the weekend | 19:08 |
@steveo_aa | When modifying a schema table for a Wobject class, I seem to be having a problem getting asset->update to save to that field. Am I missing something obvious? | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | more details? | 19:10 |
@Haarg | you added it to the table and the definition? | 19:11 |
@steveo_aa | Not the definition. Of course.. | 19:12 |
@steveo_aa | Thanks. | 19:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | Just presented to a classroom on Computational Linguistics. Whew, I am wore out. I have no idea how professors can teach all day long. 1 hour killed me. | 19:14 |
@steveo_aa | Routine. They have a plan and the materials already in alignment. | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | steveo_aa, I think he's talking about execution, rather than planning | 19:16 |
@steveo_aa | Indeed. There is a comfort level in experience. | 19:17 |
@steveo_aa | And some Professors love the sound of their own voice. | 19:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | steveo_aa: It was a very interactive session, with the class being mostly seniors with lots of interesting insightful questions. Plus it wasn't occurring through IRC :P | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | is this something that you're going to do regularly, perlmonkey2? | 19:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | 12 slides ran over the hour. | 19:20 |
@steveo_aa | Sounds like you had an engaging topic and robust discussion. Congratulations. | 19:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: no, My wife was teaching a linguistics course that has a chapter on Computational Linguistics. I have some experience in it, didn't cost anything to bring in a speaker, and could shed some tiny bit of light on the subject for them. | 19:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | steveo_aa: yes, was fun. Very fun. :) | 19:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | I encourage everyone to get their PhD and teach. Those guys have it made. | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | what? | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | you're giving up the dream of self-power? | 19:22 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: eh? no, if I was to get my PhD it would be at Duluth, which I think has an average yearly temp of -50F. And I'd have to move. And my wife would have to find a tenure track somewhere close. Although I don't know why I couldnt' take the wind turbines with me :P | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | aside from being big and heavy ;) | 19:26 |
+perlmonkey2 | Thousands of feet of steel cable, 12' blades, 60 meter towers, and heavy generators....bah, couple of suitcases. | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | indeed. It just depends on how you pack it | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, did you see my WebGUI::Test addition last night? | 19:29 |
@Haarg | for groups? | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:30 |
@Haarg | saw the changelog entry | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | Do you think it's overkill? Because I'm thinking of adding similar setups for users and storage locations | 19:30 |
@Haarg | i like it | 19:30 |
@Haarg | making tests simpler is makes it easier on everyone | 19:30 |
@Haarg | might be worth having something for version tags as well | 19:31 |
@Haarg | since that would also take care of assets | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10303 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): | 20:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Convert Story asset to use Class::C3 properly. | 20:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add a method to duplicate the photo collateral JSON data, with tests. | 20:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Make addRevision and duplicate use that method. | 20:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10304 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Story.t: Add tests that _really_ check for duplicated storage locations. | 20:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10305 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Story.t: Add valid storageId checks for duplication, since '' ne storageId. | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | bbl | 20:11 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10306 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (66 files in 25 dirs): Merge up to 10305 | 20:32 |
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+perlDreamer | with all these auxiliary methods, WebGUI::Test is going to need a test | 20:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10307 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/ (Asset/Story.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): | 21:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add an autoclean-up method to WebGUI::Test, and convert the Story test | 21:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: to use it. | 21:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10308 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Forward port auto storage deletion code for WebGUI::Test. | 21:01 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10309 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm: Update POD for several methods. | 21:01 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol! | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | Where have you been, dude? | 21:04 |
+BartJol | it's me! | 21:04 |
+BartJol | well, demolishing the house | 21:04 |
dreamersgirl | Maybe he's suffering from home-improvement-itis like me. | 21:04 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 21:04 |
dreamersgirl | Demolishing? | 21:04 |
+BartJol | and my internet was broken | 21:04 |
dreamersgirl | Is anything left? | 21:04 |
+BartJol | removed two walls | 21:05 |
dreamersgirl | oooh. fun! | 21:05 |
+BartJol | the outer walls and a toilet | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | don't get any ideas, dreamersgirl... | 21:05 |
dreamersgirl | Don't worry, pD, I'm still elbow-deep in drywall mud. | 21:05 |
+BartJol | well, since Sarah isn't coming, some americans should come over here | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | huh? | 21:05 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 21:06 |
+perlDreamer | what happened? | 21:06 |
+perlDreamer | did the virus brigade get her? | 21:06 |
+BartJol | well two friends couldn't come, so the whole trip is cancelled | 21:06 |
dreamersgirl | we're american... | 21:06 |
dreamersgirl | bummer!!! | 21:06 |
+BartJol | so when are you coming? | 21:07 |
dreamersgirl | :) | 21:07 |
@preaction | wait, isn't the big dog gonna be in Portugal pretty soon? | 21:07 |
dreamersgirl | I hear plane tickets are cheap right now.... | 21:07 |
+BartJol | yup | 21:07 |
* perlDreamer starts to cry | 21:07 | |
@preaction | and Frank is coming with him I believe | 21:07 |
+perlDreamer | but Frank isn't as cute as Sarah | 21:07 |
@preaction | no, there is that | 21:07 |
+BartJol | I'm afraid I won't make it to Portugal | 21:07 |
@preaction | but Frank can drink more than Sarah | 21:07 |
@preaction | and it's less akward to put your hand on Frank's bum | 21:08 |
@preaction | awww | 21:08 |
+BartJol | Frank the Tank! | 21:08 |
+BartJol | why less awkward? | 21:08 |
@preaction | because he's not my boss's wife? | 21:08 |
+BartJol | I consider that action more doubtfull | 21:08 |
+BartJol | mmm, that's a good reason | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | well, he's not BartJol's bosses wife, so maybe that is okay? | 21:09 |
* perlDreamer runs to check for biblical references on that one | 21:09 | |
+BartJol | well, Koen isn't physically able to manhandle me | 21:09 |
+perlDreamer | no, sorry. It's right there. | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | Do not covet another man's wife (or put your hand on her bum) | 21:10 |
+BartJol | ah | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | If you do it, they take you to the city gates, and kill you with rocks | 21:10 |
+BartJol | where's that? 10 commandments? | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | Yup | 21:11 |
@preaction | i thought it was "take you to the city gates and get stoned" | 21:11 |
@preaction | and i always thought that was a weird ... "punishment" | 21:11 |
dreamersgirl | for some definition of stoned.... | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | modern vernacular demands a new translation of that phrase | 21:11 |
+BartJol | mm, Delft has a city gate, so it is really possible | 21:11 |
+BartJol | mmm, I can't find the punishment in my bible | 21:14 |
dreamersgirl | So, BartJol, how far is Delft from Amsterdam? | 21:16 |
+BartJol | 60 km, or 45 miles I think (rough computation) | 21:16 |
+BartJol | maybe a bit more | 21:16 |
+BartJol | are you in Amsterdam? | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | no, but she wants to be | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, it's in the book of Leviticus | 21:18 |
+BartJol | ah, I have a strange bible it seems | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | http://biblestudy.crosswalk.com/mybst/default.aspx?type=bible&translation=NIV&bookcode=le&bookname=Leviticus&chapterid=20&verseid=10 | 21:18 |
+BartJol | mmm, maybe I have another | 21:18 |
+BartJol | I do | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | which bible is that? | 21:19 |
+BartJol | The living word | 21:20 |
+BartJol | but it's only the new testament | 21:20 |
+BartJol | I got it from a weirdo at the supermarket, who spoke to me because he thought I was bad, because I bought a beer called "DUvel" | 21:22 |
+BartJol | which translates as demon | 21:22 |
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@preaction | okay, now i have to try that beer | 21:23 |
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* perlDreamer has only heard of beer made from hops. | 21:23 | |
+BartJol | it is a good beer | 21:23 |
+BartJol | In my other bible it says that both should be executed | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | you're right. | 21:25 |
+BartJol | of course | 21:25 |
+BartJol | May I ask on what subject I am right? | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | that they should be executed, which means that if you're out of rocks, you may kill them via another method | 21:27 |
+BartJol | well, I believe that is a bit old skool | 21:27 |
dreamersgirl | just a bit | 21:28 |
+BartJol | :) | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | okay, new subject. | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, have you heard of WebGUI Network News? | 21:28 |
+BartJol | yeah | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | what do you think? | 21:29 |
+BartJol | it's nice\ | 21:29 |
+BartJol | gives some good info | 21:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10310 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm t/Asset/Story.t): Add storage locations to package data for a Story. With tests. | 21:31 |
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kegaro | Hello. | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | hello | 21:45 |
kegaro | I have downloaded and installed the source wre onto a debian box. | 21:46 |
kegaro | the compile went okay...no errors that I can find. | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | I would still recommend that you search the forums, because someone is working on a debian package for WebGUI | 21:46 |
kegaro | but mysql will not start. | 21:46 |
kegaro | oh really?? | 21:46 |
kegaro | that would be cool. | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 21:46 |
kegaro | I searched through the forums...I've been doing that all day, actually. :-) | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | also, if you install the WRE, you have to remove the default my.cnf that comes with your system | 21:47 |
kegaro | I did that. I found a post about that and removed the /etc/mysql/my.cnf | 21:47 |
kegaro | but it didn't help. | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | is there already a mysql process running on the system? | 21:48 |
kegaro | nope. | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | what does mysql say when you try to start it? | 21:48 |
kegaro | it was never installed on this system. | 21:48 |
kegaro | "Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist" | 21:49 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 21:50 |
kegaro | the only post I could find that relates on plainblack is http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/wre-install-trouble | 21:50 |
kegaro | but it's not quite the same. | 21:50 |
kegaro | and removing my my.cnf file didn't help the problem. | 21:50 |
kegaro | I've tried starting mysql manually: computer:/data/wre/prereqs/bin# ./mysqld_safe --log-error=mysql.err | 21:51 |
kegaro | to no avail. | 21:53 |
kegaro | :-( | 21:53 |
+perlDreamer | Google has several options for trying to address that error | 21:54 |
@preaction | kegaro: did you run the wreconsole's setup yet? | 21:54 |
kegaro | yes. | 21:55 |
kegaro | I did. | 21:55 |
+BartJol | yeah, I had the same error and running the setup helped | 21:56 |
+BartJol | oh | 21:56 |
+BartJol | mmm | 21:56 |
@preaction | and what errors occurred when you did it? | 21:56 |
@preaction | if the mysql.host table wasn't installed, the setup failed | 21:56 |
@preaction | the errors should have shown up in the console that was running the wreconsole.pl process | 21:56 |
+perlDreamer | according to Google, it can also be due to directory permissions, file system corruption, or not having the table in the first place. | 21:56 |
+BartJol | I do have a package wre 0.9.2 with a resolved bug | 21:56 |
+perlDreamer | or running Windows | 21:57 |
kegaro | at first it said that it couldn't start mysql because the user didn't have the rights to open the appropriate ports. (I was using the webgui user I created and did all the compiling as) | 21:57 |
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kegaro | oops...router reset...sorry. | 21:57 |
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kegaro | I lost my train of thought now.... | 21:58 |
+BartJol | kegaro: you wanna have that package, I don't think it | 21:58 |
+BartJol | is available | 21:58 |
+BartJol | ? | 21:58 |
kegaro | I would LOVE to have that package! | 21:58 |
+BartJol | I have to open my firewall for that I believe | 21:59 |
+BartJol | what is your IP? | 22:00 |
kegaro | okay..sorry...train of thought....I created a user "webgui", created the /data directory, did chown webgui.webgui /data, tar zxvf wre-source /tmp, and did all my compiling from /tmp as the user webgui. | 22:00 |
+BartJol | 67-213-105-173? | 22:00 |
kegaro | that's me. | 22:00 |
+BartJol | ok | 22:00 |
kegaro | but with dots instead of dashes. :-) | 22:01 |
+BartJol | ah, I thougt it was IP 4.x-beta | 22:01 |
kegaro | when mysql didn't start when I ran the ./wreconsole, I stopped it and ran it as root. | 22:01 |
kegaro | at this point, I don't think it's directory permissions. | 22:02 |
kegaro | and I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this problem beyond this point. | 22:02 |
kegaro | BartJol: hehe (I once stupidly copied and pasted and when it didn't work I /facepalmed) | 22:03 |
+BartJol | :) | 22:04 |
kegaro | is the database created during the wre setup? Perhaps I could reset (although I don't know exactly how) and run the setup as root. | 22:04 |
kegaro | ? | 22:04 |
+BartJol | yes | 22:04 |
@preaction | kegaro: so you ran ./wreconsole.pl, then you went to http://<someaddress>/setup, and it asked you a bunch of questions, right? | 22:04 |
kegaro | yes. | 22:05 |
kegaro | ...I can do that again, can't I. | 22:05 |
@preaction | you can run setup again by going to that address yes | 22:05 |
@preaction | but it may not work | 22:05 |
@preaction | you might just want to get rid of /data/wre, and then do a make install from the /tmp/wrebuild directory | 22:06 |
+BartJol | kegaro: I have my firewall opened | 22:06 |
kegaro | ugh? recompile the whole thing? | 22:06 |
@preaction | no, just "make install" | 22:06 |
@preaction | unless for some reason you did "make clean" | 22:06 |
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+BartJol | no it is a debian package | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | be back in an hour or so | 22:07 |
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kegaro | I did the ./build.sh --<name> individually. | 22:07 |
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kegaro | like ./build.sh --mysql | 22:10 |
kegaro | because one of them was blowing up regularly. | 22:11 |
kegaro | and I didn't want to have to wait over an hour to see if any of my 'fixes' worked. | 22:11 |
kegaro | I figured that once one of them was done, than I wouldn't have to repeat it. | 22:11 |
kegaro | my kids just had their fort fall down on them....I'll be right back | 22:12 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10311 /wrebuild/wre/ (3 files in 2 dirs): - Fixed a bug with web stats showing permission denied. | 22:14 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10312 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: - Fixed a bug with web stats showing permission denied. | 22:14 |
kegaro | I'm back | 22:15 |
kegaro | it's all good...a failure in the 400 year old rope they used to tye it all together. hehe | 22:15 |
@preaction | you could either re-compile, and create a pristine copy so that you can go back later, or you can find the appropriate directories and just do "make install" in them. the build.sh script isn't too complicated | 22:17 |
@preaction | though perhaps there is a way to do a simple "make install" from the build.sh | 22:17 |
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@preaction | kegaro: please turn that off | 22:41 |
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perlmonkey21 | Does WebGUI have any policy on floating divs that maintain their position upon screen scrolls? | 22:47 |
@Haarg | a policy in terms of what? | 22:47 |
@preaction | perlmonkey21: not that i know of. go ahead | 22:47 |
perlmonkey21 | Haarg: I don't know, like "They're annoying, don't use them." or "This is how we prefer them done." | 22:48 |
perlmonkey21 | preaction: cool, tahnks | 22:48 |
@Haarg | nothing like that, no | 22:48 |
@Haarg | as long as they work properly | 22:48 |
perlmonkey21 | Haarg: work properly? well crap, that rules out everything I do. | 22:49 |
+BartJol | perlmonkey21 it can't be that bad | 22:51 |
perlmonkey21 | BartJol: I once wrote "Hello World" and now they call it "Conficker". | 22:52 |
+BartJol | :) | 22:53 |
perlmonkey21 | That's how buggy my code is :P | 22:53 |
+BartJol | he, a good virus demands good programming skills | 22:53 |
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perlmonkey21 | BartJol: hard to believe there are so many malevolent people capable of making these viruses. I'm neither that talented or evil :P | 23:40 |
+BartJol | well, maybe it is the other way around, when you're a genius, you might get bored and a bit over your head by developing evil master plans | 23:43 |
SDuensin | BartJol, that sums me up to a "T". | 23:46 |
SDuensin | :-P | 23:46 |
+BartJol | a T? | 23:47 |
SDuensin | It's just some saying. No idea what it actually means. | 23:48 |
+BartJol | ah | 23:48 |
+BartJol | so, what's your evil master plan? | 23:49 |
+BartJol | I hope your evil laugh is adequate for the plan | 23:49 |
SDuensin | I'm doing my damnedest to install WebGUI and Linux everywhere. | 23:49 |
SDuensin | I have a good evil laugh. | 23:49 |
+BartJol | ah, but what is the best linux | 23:50 |
+BartJol | http://www.thebestlinux.org/ doesn't exist, strange | 23:51 |
SDuensin | Why, CloudCircle of course! It's my highly-modified server edition of Ubuntu. | 23:51 |
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+BartJol | cloudcircle.com is yours then? | 00:01 |
SDuensin | yea - it's a mess | 00:02 |
+BartJol | I noticed that :p | 00:02 |
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kegaro | okay...very very very embarrassing question....I just created my site, and did the site creation wizard, site created fine and works wonders...but I think I typed in the password wrong!!! | 00:16 |
kegaro | cause my password won't let me in. | 00:17 |
kegaro | is there somewhere where I can look it up in the db? | 00:17 |
kegaro | or a config file? | 00:17 |
kegaro | or reset it... | 00:17 |
+BartJol | you can reset it to the default password | 00:18 |
+BartJol | therefor you have to change it in Mysql | 00:19 |
+BartJol | the encoded version should be somewhere on the site | 00:19 |
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+BartJol | RvlMjeFPs2aAhQdo/xt/Kg maybe | 00:26 |
+BartJol | with 123qwe | 00:26 |
+BartJol | in the authentication table | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, I've told you NEVER to use that kind of language in channel | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | it's rude | 00:27 |
+BartJol | sorry perlDreamer | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 00:27 |
kegaro | haha | 00:28 |
+BartJol | user 3 kegaro | 00:28 |
kegaro | I've done something horrible. | 00:28 |
+BartJol | which is? | 00:28 |
kegaro | my IT husband will -never- let me live it down. | 00:28 |
kegaro | forgot a password. | 00:28 |
kegaro | his passwords are something like 32 characters long. | 00:28 |
kegaro | he has no sympathy for me. | 00:28 |
+BartJol | ah | 00:28 |
+BartJol | :) | 00:29 |
+BartJol | you didn't forget your sql passwd did you? | 00:30 |
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kegaro | at this point...I really wish the wreconsole had options for resetting an admin password for a site. :-) | 00:30 |
kegaro | no...I have the mysql password...I'm working through the tables now to figure out where to change it. | 00:30 |
+BartJol | authetication table | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | kegaro, if you really want that, then file it as an RFE | 00:31 |
kegaro | I can do that. :-) | 00:31 |
+BartJol | select * from authentication where userId="3"; | 00:31 |
+BartJol | the identifier thingy is the encoded passwd kegaro | 00:31 |
+BartJol | (noooo, this neeeever happened before) ;) | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | of course not | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | if that happened, you'd have to turn in your Gooey decoder ring | 00:32 |
+BartJol | never got that :( | 00:33 |
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kegaro | guys -- BartJol -- once again -- you are amazing. | 00:36 |
kegaro | Thank You!!! | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | kegaro, did you ever get mysql up and working? | 00:37 |
kegaro | I did. | 00:37 |
+BartJol | mostly I just bother people, but sometimes I do something usefull | 00:37 |
kegaro | Bart provided with a debian wre. | 00:37 |
kegaro | and that solved everything. | 00:37 |
kegaro | hehe I know that feeling. | 00:38 |
+BartJol | oh while we're at it | 00:38 |
+BartJol | the install instructions for debian misses a module | 00:38 |
kegaro | oh yes | 00:38 |
kegaro | libncurses5-dev | 00:39 |
+BartJol | libncurses5-dev | 00:39 |
kegaro | I had trouble compiling, and found that one in a forum. | 00:39 |
kegaro | solved my problem. | 00:39 |
+BartJol | perlDreamer: would you be so kind to put that in the instructions in svn? | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | I can do that | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | funny that SynQ1 didn't find that | 00:41 |
kegaro | there was another one too...for imageMagick...zlib or something of that nature...but I don't remember for certain... | 00:41 |
@preaction | we really ought to get all these caveats and addendums and put them in one place: The DOWNLOAD page... | 00:42 |
+BartJol | well, he did, why he didn't change the docs I don't know | 00:42 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10313 /translations/German/German/ (3 files): Update from translation server | 00:42 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10314 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server | 00:42 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10315 /wrebuild/readme.txt: Add missing package required for debian | 00:42 |
@preaction | nobody reads the readme.txt, but people do read the download page if you make them | 00:43 |
@preaction | okay, fine, nobody reads anything ever | 00:43 |
kegaro | hehe not zlib -- libperl-dev | 00:44 |
@preaction | you needed libperl-dev? | 00:44 |
@preaction | that should be in the WRE | 00:44 |
kegaro | otherwise you get "/usr/lib/ld: cannet find -lperl" errors | 00:44 |
+BartJol | I changed the wiki | 00:44 |
kegaro | I had to install it manually. | 00:45 |
@preaction | the Perl headers should be made when you build Perl | 00:45 |
+BartJol | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation | 00:45 |
@preaction | that's weird. i hope your system works okay. something may have been compiled against the wrong Perl | 00:45 |
kegaro | that's what I thought too. I even did ./build.sh --perl and then imagemagick just to be sure...and it still errored. | 00:45 |
@preaction | does build.sh do a make clean on everything before it builds the one thing you want? | 00:46 |
kegaro | Oh...I'm not sure...I did a --clean before everything anyways. | 00:46 |
kegaro | a throwback from when I used to compile my own kernels. | 00:47 |
@preaction | that might've been the problem. it was assuming the Perl you built was still in the build directory to compile against | 00:47 |
@preaction | but it should... work... though if you have any "symbol undefined" errors that might be the problem | 00:47 |
kegaro | aaaAAAaaah okay. | 00:47 |
kegaro | it failed when I tried to do it with --all too. | 00:48 |
@preaction | hm... then i dunno | 00:48 |
@preaction | i fall to bits with all things compiled | 00:48 |
@preaction | that's why i write for an interpreted language | 00:48 |
kegaro | haha I love perl. | 00:50 |
kegaro | I'd only classify myself as a very beginner programmer though. | 00:50 |
kegaro | although, and I do feel like bragging a bit here, I wrote the initial LDAP/SSL authentication modules for WebGui almost 8 or 9 years ago now. | 00:51 |
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kegaro | It's likely not in use anymore, webgui has been built from the ground up a couple of times since then. | 00:52 |
+BartJol | well, you have the code... | 00:52 |
kegaro | hehe nope...it's changed. | 00:54 |
kegaro | MUCH more complex now. | 00:55 |
+BartJol | I thought simple was good | 00:55 |
@preaction | yeah, i keep hearing things about simplifying that code again | 00:55 |
kegaro | why? is it broken? | 00:55 |
@preaction | but it's good that you're interested in WebGUI again! (or did you ever stop?) | 00:55 |
@preaction | no, it's just confusing | 00:56 |
@preaction | the configuration is confusing, especially if you're used to LDAP | 00:56 |
kegaro | I had a family, and moved into monitoring rather than administration. | 00:56 |
kegaro | so I was never giving the opportunity to use it again. | 00:56 |
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@preaction | ahh, monitoring is the worst part of administration | 00:57 |
kegaro | I'm moving back into administration again, and I decided to get myself a blog. | 00:57 |
kegaro | so I could document what I do. | 00:57 |
kegaro | :-) | 00:57 |
@preaction | very nice. take advantage of the design packages in the bazaar? | 00:57 |
kegaro | I never really stopped liking webgui, but the last time I used it was pre-wre | 00:57 |
+BartJol | and remember passwords ;) | 00:57 |
@preaction | http://webgui.org/bazaar | 00:57 |
kegaro | HAHA | 00:57 |
kegaro | I was looking through those! I'm definiatly gonna use the IM plugin. | 00:58 |
@preaction | IM plugin? | 00:58 |
@preaction | oh, chatbox | 00:58 |
kegaro | I was looking for something - anything - that would allow me to connect to IRC from work through a webclient cause my work blocks 6667 | 00:58 |
kegaro | yah. | 00:58 |
@preaction | let me know what you think there, it's so basic as to be barely useful, and i'm looking for feature requests | 00:59 |
@preaction | it's not so much an IRC client though | 00:59 |
kegaro | it's harder than you might expect to find. | 00:59 |
kegaro | yah, I understand. | 00:59 |
kegaro | but I can get my friends to go there. | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | there are alternate ports for IRC | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | we have to use them at the WUC | 00:59 |
@preaction | yeah, or there is mibbit | 00:59 |
kegaro | mibbit? | 01:00 |
@preaction | mibbit is a web-based IRC client | 01:00 |
kegaro | ohhhh I will have a look into that, too. | 01:00 |
kegaro | I will definately let you know about the chatbox. | 01:01 |
+BartJol | well 6667 must be an evil port | 01:01 |
@preaction | sounds good. i'm hoping to make it more awesome so we can fill the chat needs of users and put it into WebGUI core | 01:01 |
kegaro | ohhh that would be cool! | 01:02 |
@preaction | but before that it needs a lot more functionality i suspect | 01:02 |
@preaction | though JT has been on a "release early release often" kick. maybe more RFEs will come if it's just put in there | 01:02 |
@preaction | eh, anyway | 01:02 |
kegaro | hehe I REALLY like the idea of being able to change the Admin password of a site from the wreconsole. | 01:03 |
kegaro | I think that would be much more user friendly than hacking the database directly. :-) | 01:03 |
kegaro | I will put that in the RFE. | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | kegaro, RFEs with patches often get accepted more quickly | 01:04 |
+BartJol | yeah, bedtime | 01:04 |
kegaro | so...create the code myself and send up the RFE with the code? | 01:04 |
kegaro | that's a GREAT idea!!! | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | yeah! | 01:04 |
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kegaro | I have to re-learn the webgui code....hehehe | 01:04 |
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+perlDreamer | well, this would be WRE code, for wreconsole | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | but it should be easy to do | 01:05 |
kegaro | last time I coded for this...wow...a long time ago. it would be worth it. | 01:05 |
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@preaction | (heh, now deafferret has to eat for two!) | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | go preaction go! | 01:07 |
kegaro | I must create food and bath kids for school. I'm not looking forward to either. | 01:07 |
kegaro | I'll be back in a while -- hope you guys don't mind if I hang out here...you all are cool. | 01:07 |
@preaction | of course not, that's what this place is here for | 01:07 |
* kegaro is gone, making food, bathing kids (l!on) | 01:07 | |
@preaction | except for that | 01:07 |
kegaro | /away not cool? | 01:08 |
@preaction | away is fine, but the /me message your away script creates is not | 01:08 |
@preaction | there must be a way to turn it off | 01:08 |
kegaro | ahhh...I don't know... let me look... | 01:08 |
@preaction | no rush | 01:09 |
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kegaro | I turned of my autoaway... | 01:09 |
kegaro | that should fix it for good. | 01:09 |
@preaction | that'll work, thanks | 01:09 |
kegaro | I hate autoaway anyways. | 01:09 |
kegaro | :-) | 01:09 |
kegaro | bbiaw | 01:09 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10316 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | Go German Translators! | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | They just broke 75% complete | 01:16 |
kegaro | WOW!! Grats to them! | 01:33 |
kegaro | shoot...have to log off for a while.... | 01:34 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10317 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: fixed a permissions problem with awstats.pl | 02:11 |
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wgGuest61 | Hello, I'm haveing troubles with wiki search. It will only provide results with pages that have been recentlty changed. How can I fix this? | 02:15 |
+perlDreamer | by recently changed, do you mean those in the recently changed list, or within a certain time? | 02:16 |
@preaction | wgGuest61: sounds like your index is bad, you can re-run the indexer using the sbin/search.pl script | 02:16 |
wgGuest61 | that is something I have to do on the server? | 02:17 |
@preaction | yes | 02:17 |
@rizen | if you host with plainblack.com you can put in a support request to have them do it for you | 02:18 |
wgGuest61 | I don't have access to the server, so I need to talk to that guy who does? | 02:18 |
wgGuest61 | its a server on my university campus run by my department | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | get a hold a sys-admin, and have them run the search.pl script | 02:18 |
wgGuest61 | thanks... | 02:18 |
wgGuest61 | it seems that the indexer resets itself everyday | 02:19 |
wgGuest61 | wiki pages posted yesterday no longer search, but if i make one right now it will search | 02:19 |
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+perlDreamer | exportAssetData is poorly named... | 02:29 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10318 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Top story photo template variables, with i18n, help and tests. | 02:42 |
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jdanpl | Hi. How can I find out when each activity is executed in Spectre? I have a lot of messages in mailQueue table. I added trap to SendQueuedMailMessages.pm. But nothing happend. | 15:31 |
jdanpl | My question is out of date. Problem was in config files. When I added non local IP to spectreSubnets sheduller started working | 16:23 |
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ckotil | i dont see a link to download the source here | 16:54 |
ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/download | 16:54 |
LTR_bob | "Click here to learn more" | 16:54 |
ckotil | nice | 16:54 |
LTR_bob | (at the bottom of the content) | 16:55 |
ckotil | thanks | 16:55 |
LTR_bob | I was just looking at that page :P | 16:55 |
ckotil | the wre is too confusing for me to switch to from my source install | 16:55 |
ckotil | my source install is pretty confusing too , ive got about 15 webgui sites. | 16:56 |
LTR_bob | We have a couple of webgui servers too, source works for us | 16:57 |
ckotil | mine are all on a single isntance. tons of mod_rewriting going on | 16:58 |
ckotil | its manageable, just does'nt scale well | 16:58 |
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+danny_mk | hello everyone | 17:11 |
* deafferret waves | 17:11 | |
+danny_mk | quick question, kind of off topic, ignore the question if you don't feel a need to answer it. I have some special characters in a sql import script that are preventing me from importing data into a table. | 17:12 |
+danny_mk | I found a utility that stripped those special characters but I did not write it down and now I need it bad. | 17:12 |
+danny_mk | this is a UTF8 vs ASCII issue, does anyone have an idea of the utility? | 17:14 |
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deafferret | danny_mk: If you want basic ASCII only, you could run s/[^ -~]//g | 17:24 |
+danny_mk | yup, I know, perl will do it in a second. | 17:24 |
+danny_mk | I found this utility that just stripped a few special characters from this file and I got it to work right away, | 17:25 |
+danny_mk | darn, I wish I documented this stuff sometimes :-( | 17:25 |
+danny_mk | found it! iconv | 17:27 |
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@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 17:30 |
deafferret | win 10 | 17:32 |
deafferret | opps | 17:32 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10320 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: adding missing pod documentation | 18:06 |
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* SynQ wonders would the WRE be ready yet ;) | 18:07 | |
* BugSlasherMcGurk sticks boot in SynQ's mouth | 18:09 | |
+SynQ | nice flavour | 18:09 |
+SynQ | have you been in the land of sugar lately? | 18:10 |
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+SynQ | which reminds me I need to send you some pictures of Emma and 100 gooey dolls | 18:11 |
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@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug--- | 18:34 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:34 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | SynQ: i'm waiting to compile WRE 0.9.2 because i'm working with patspam on a bug he needs fixed | 18:35 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | figured better to kill 2 with one stone | 18:35 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | however, it is ready to compile right now (minus his bug fix) if you absolutely need it right now | 18:35 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | that's 3 so far for me today khenn...can you beat that? | 18:37 |
@khenn | I will beat you! | 18:38 |
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+perlDreamer | BugSlasherMcGurk: welcome back | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | what's the plan, man? | 18:39 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | the plan is for me to fix more bugs than khenn | 18:39 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | the secondary objective is to close half of the bug list today | 18:39 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | the bad news is that half of the PB staff is out for one reason or another | 18:40 |
@preaction | we're having one next month that i can participate in, right? perhaps also on madmongers's day? | 18:41 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:43 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | preaction: we'll have an rfe day yet this month, and then another bug fix and rfe day next month | 18:43 |
@preaction | sweet | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | BusSlasherMcGurk: Please assign me to the UserList bugs | 18:44 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | perlDreamer: can't you assign yourself? | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | I can close bugs, but no assignment | 18:44 |
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@BugSlasherMcGurk | well that's pretty lame | 18:45 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | please file an rfe for that if you haven't already | 18:45 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm just not in the right group, BSMG | 18:49 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, be sure to follow JT's bug fixing progress thru his twitter: "JT-loves-twitter" | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | as your future employer tavisto, I'd suggest you show some more respect to your previous employer ;) | 18:51 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Account.pm Account/Friends.pm): fixed: Can't invite friends (#10112) | 18:53 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10322 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 18:53 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - fixed: Can't invite friends (#10112) | 18:53 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - Added missing POD docs for WebGUI::Account | 18:53 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10323 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl: Made sure Survey default question types upgrades with "Yes" being 1 and "No" being 0. | 18:53 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, somebody needs to op Vrby | 19:02 |
Vrby | Nah... I don't deserve it | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | sure you do. People who are op'ed get pestered more. | 19:04 |
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+perlDreamer | --bug | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | --bug | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to look at the Inbox bug next | 19:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10324 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the alphabetFieldSearch in the UserList, #10163 | 19:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10325 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting UserList alphabet profile field fix. | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | asked for feedback about the inbox, because it's working fine for me | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | moving on to bopbop's file title bug | 19:44 |
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@frodwith | Bug @ http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9991: Is this an actual bug, or intended behavior? | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | frodwith, is that an article, or two file assets? | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | from the HTML, they look like Article attachments to me | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | which means they're working fine | 20:01 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | this one needs to be moved to RFEland: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9682 | 20:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10326 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (WikiPage.pm Post.pm): | 20:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: fixed a problem in the spam system for Post | 20:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: and added spam prevention in Wiki | 20:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10327 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Spam in the wiki (#10050) | 20:03 |
@frodwith | perldreamer: Those are file assets. | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | then it's most likely a bug | 20:04 |
@frodwith | perlDreamer: looking at the template, the linked text will indeed be the filename. Is that intended, or -should- it be the title? | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | I'm not sure. I'd track down the filepile bug she mentioned, then check it out in comparison. | 20:04 |
@frodwith | roger. | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | working with dhelsten on the UserList bug, and looking at the reopened synopsis as meta bug, http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9039 | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | Vrby, I could use a 2nd opinion on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9039 | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | It's working for me | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | Could you please try to duplicate it? | 20:10 |
@Vrby | Ok, I'll take a look | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | I see what I was doing wrong. | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | I logged out as Admin, which kept the logout params in the URL | 20:11 |
@Vrby | so you don't need me to check this one then? | 20:12 |
@frodwith | Can't find the ticket Kristi was referring to, but it looks like someone else at least thinks the link text should be the asset title: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9083 | 20:13 |
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+perlDreamer | no, I can track it from here, Vrby. Sorry for the false alarm. | 20:19 |
@Vrby | ok | 20:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10328 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm: POD fix | 20:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: frank * r10329 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm: Removed extra code which reset the uri to what was stored int he LDAP Link. | 20:37 |
@khenn | bug -- | 20:47 |
@khenn | I'm on the board! | 20:47 |
@khenn | woowoo here I come rizen | 20:47 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 20:47 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | that's 5 for me | 20:48 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9039 | 20:48 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | did you ever commit as planned? | 20:48 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | if so, could you close? | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | I'm on my way out the door. It's fixed, just need to commit, back port and then document so I can close | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | bbl | 20:49 |
* perlDreamer goes to the gym | 20:49 | |
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BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 20:51 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: frank * r10330 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm: Fixed issue where uri would be invalid in certain cases. | 21:11 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 21:14 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 21:16 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 21:20 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 21:21 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 21:30 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | down to 4 pages!!! | 21:30 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | khenn, the official count is you 1, me 11 | 21:36 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | you've got some catching up to do | 21:36 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | even vrby has closed 6 | 21:36 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | he's whooping you | 21:36 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | shit, we're back up to 5 pages cuz someone submitted one | 21:37 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | oh, and khenn...i'm not including the 4 or 5 tickets that i think can be closed, but i've asked for more feedback on | 21:37 |
@khenn | yeah yeah | 21:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10331 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.19-7.6.20.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: Schedular Fields Too Short (#9889) | 21:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10332 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl: Schedular Fields Too Short (#9889) | 21:46 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 21:54 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 21:56 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10333 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl: maintenance tasks in parallel (#9921) | 22:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10334 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.19-7.6.20.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): - fixed: maintenance tasks in parallel (#9921) | 22:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10335 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: | 22:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: updated the change log with: | 22:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - fixed: Spam in the wiki (#10050) | 22:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - fixed: maintenance tasks in parallel (#9921) | 22:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - fixed: Schedular Fields Too Short (#9889) | 22:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - fixed: Can't invite friends (#10112) | 22:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - Added missing POD docs for WebGUI::Account | 22:16 |
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* perlDreamer is back | 22:36 | |
@khenn | bug-- | 22:38 |
@khenn | 2-11 | 22:38 |
@khenn | =) | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | bug-- | 22:41 |
+perlDreamer | khenn, as the Account guru, can you take on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9851 | 22:47 |
@khenn | I would if it were a bug | 22:47 |
@khenn | it's an RFE | 22:47 |
+perlDreamer | why is it an RFE? When you look at a person's profile, the pulldowns all say "Public". | 22:49 |
+perlDreamer | it's really confusing to users | 22:49 |
@preaction | no, it is most definately a bug. it causes improper display and is not what users expect | 22:49 |
@khenn | I see | 22:50 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | actually it's 2-13 | 22:50 |
@preaction | it's not how it used to work | 22:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10336 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Refix synopsis output as metadata. | 22:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10337 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting synopsis as metadata fix. | 22:50 |
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@khenn | I'll look at it next | 22:50 |
@khenn | almost finished with my 3rd bug | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | bug -- | 22:57 |
+perlDreamer | bug -- | 22:57 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 23:00 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug -- | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | bug-- | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto! | 23:09 |
@tavisto | yes... | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | what's the URL of the demo site that you created for the CS Q & A issue? | 23:09 |
@tavisto | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1239729518_572/home | 23:10 |
@tavisto | default credentials | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | bug-- | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | that's a duplicate bug | 23:13 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 23:14 |
@tavisto | well sorry guys, I got more bugs to add. son of ah | 23:14 |
@tavisto | everyone is allowed to hate on me for the next 2 mins | 23:15 |
* perlDreamer searches the bible for good curses to levy at tavisto | 23:15 | |
+perlDreamer | hm | 23:15 |
@tavisto | except rizen, b/c he gets to for 2 lifetimes apparently | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | hailstones | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | hit with own shoe | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | how about boils? | 23:15 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | tavisto, i wish boils on the feet of your family for 12 generations | 23:19 |
@tavisto | sorry bugSlackerMcGurk, 2 minutes are up | 23:19 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | again, i get 2 lifetimes to do it | 23:20 |
BugSlasherMcGurk | so you're wrong | 23:20 |
@tavisto | nope, only Rizen | 23:20 |
@tavisto | you are BugSlackerMcGurk | 23:20 |
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rizen | tavisto, i wish boils on the feet of your family for 12 generations | 23:20 |
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@tavisto | sorry, only "Rizen" | 23:21 |
@tavisto | *tavisto gives evil smirk* | 23:21 |
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@tavisto | muwhahaha! | 23:21 |
@tavisto | doh | 23:21 |
@Rizen | muahahahaha | 23:21 |
@Rizen | wait, i'm different from rizen? | 23:21 |
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@tavisto | yeah | 23:21 |
@rizen | oh, nm | 23:21 |
@tavisto | you aren't the same... | 23:21 |
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@preaction | i think i actually felt weird wearing someone else's internet nickname | 23:22 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10338 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm): | 23:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Make processTransaction _really_ handle not getting a transaction or address | 23:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: as an argument. | 23:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10339 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm): | 23:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Make processTransaction really handle not getting an object, by checking | 23:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: to see if it's an object before calling methods on it. | 23:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10340 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Apply button applies but reloads old content in editor (#9827) | 23:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10341 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Apply button applies but reloads old content in editor (#9827) | 23:23 |
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knowmad | perlDreamer: yt? | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | I'm here | 23:27 |
knowmad | i'm looking at http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9961 | 23:27 |
knowmad | that's a protected url | 23:27 |
knowmad | i can give you a pw for testing but am not sure if it would help | 23:28 |
knowmad | ohh! that's the reason for the error!! | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 23:28 |
knowmad | so how can i grant the synd content object access to that page? | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know | 23:29 |
knowmad | lol ;) | 23:29 |
knowmad | i appreciate an honest answer! | 23:29 |
knowmad | i'll post back to the bu | 23:29 |
knowmad | g | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | once an asset is WebGUI auth protected, whatever tries to connect has to authenticate | 23:29 |
@preaction | knowmad: if you have 7.6.x you can use http basic auth for RSS feeds by putting the username/password in the URL | 23:30 |
knowmad | ahh, good to know; won't help me until i upgrade though | 23:30 |
knowmad | which we'll be doing RSN! | 23:30 |
knowmad | i'll close my report | 23:31 |
knowmad | thanks preaction | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, but that breaks in 7.7 when RSS feeds lose their custom URLs? | 23:31 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: nope | 23:31 |
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+perlDreamer | clue me in there, preaction | 23:32 |
knowmad | well, i've added that note but can't close my own ticket | 23:32 |
@preaction | in fact, we can even make it pop up an HTTP basic auth dialog box so that RSS readers can log in to private feeds | 23:32 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: check WebGUI.pm and look for "authBasic" i think. we do the http basic auth handling ourselves now | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | so basic auth will supersede WebGUI user and group permissions? | 23:33 |
@preaction | no, it's part of it | 23:33 |
@preaction | you can log in to WebGUI using the http basic auth method | 23:33 |
@preaction | (so not a web form, but user:pass on the URL or the dialog box that pops up) | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | ah, I see | 23:34 |
@preaction | and we can make that dialog box pop up if we want using the "www-authenticate: basic realm='sometext'" http header | 23:34 |
@preaction | (just for your future knowledge should you come across a bug) | 23:34 |
@preaction | we'll only use it for non-web browser purposes of course | 23:35 |
@preaction | like RSS feeds | 23:35 |
+perlDreamer | cool! | 23:35 |
* perlDreamer was wondering how to do stuff like that | 23:35 | |
@preaction | i'm hoping we can do digest auth instead, makes it a little more secure | 23:37 |
@preaction | but that's in the future | 23:37 |
@preaction | it's not magic, after all. it's just http | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | what in the world is this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10180 ? | 23:40 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: that's vcb's auto-response... | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | grrrr | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | so, if I close that one, we get another one, yes? | 23:42 |
@preaction | isn't there some header that gets set on an auto-response that we can use to ignore them? | 23:42 |
@preaction | heh, i dunno. find out? | 23:42 |
@preaction | but then, there is a header that gets sent for a list mail that should make their software ignore the mail | 23:43 |
@Haarg | we do try to detect auto responses iirc | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | this one must have slipped through | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | great, 'nother bug | 23:46 |
@khenn | bug-- | 23:51 |
@khenn | 3-100000 | 23:51 |
@khenn | I'm gonna lose =( | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | spin it again, khenn | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | Vanna is smiling at you, you can't lose! | 23:52 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10342 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm: Latest revision of Ticket.pm | 23:52 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: frank * r10343 /experimental/HelpDesk/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm: fixed HTML issue in solution summary | 23:52 |
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knowmad | can an AssetProxy not include keyparams? e.g., ^AssetProxy(/detail?recordid=jf6z5BfotLKx2Da_70KeXA); | 00:04 |
@preaction | correct, that won't work | 00:04 |
knowmad | :( | 00:04 |
@preaction | http proxy would though | 00:04 |
knowmad | httpproxy? | 00:04 |
knowmad | thanks | 00:04 |
@preaction | though really that would make an awesomely powerful assetproxy macro (but you'd have to do some weird stuff to get that to work, including opening a new session and setting the form data) | 00:05 |
@preaction | you'd be able to show other pages of various assets, instead of just the view() | 00:05 |
@preaction | ooh, style template throws a wrench in the works | 00:06 |
knowmad | you've jumped off past my understanding but hey, i like the way you're thinking :) | 00:06 |
@preaction | it wouldn't work unfortunately, not without some major changing :( | 00:07 |
knowmad | Dream Big | 00:07 |
@preaction | amen, but i've alreaady got away too many big dreams as it is ;) | 00:08 |
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knowmad | i know what you mean | 00:09 |
@khenn | perlDreamer | 00:09 |
@khenn | I know how to fix that bug | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | killing me won't make it go away, khenn | 00:10 |
@khenn | do you think that by default the user's profile should inherit the profile settings set by the admin? | 00:10 |
@khenn | or should I just leave it and make "Private" selected by default | 00:11 |
@khenn | doesn't matter to me | 00:11 |
@khenn | first way will take longer but might be better in the long run | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | thinking... | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | seems like the admin should be able to set defaults for the site | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | visitor would be perfect, but can we get to it? | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | can we get to Visitor's privacy settings, khenn? | 00:14 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10344 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #9816: Syndicated content asset fails on feeds including a UTF8 BOM | 00:21 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10345 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl): fixed: 7.6 upgrade left some default content marked as packages | 00:21 |
@khenn | it doesn't matter what the visitors settings are | 00:23 |
@khenn | the profile settings are default | 00:23 |
@khenn | so I'd just read those | 00:23 |
@khenn | wait let me think | 00:24 |
@khenn | yeah that won't work | 00:24 |
@khenn | not unless I added a privacy setting | 00:24 |
@khenn | hmm | 00:24 |
@khenn | well i suppose visible = public maybe? | 00:25 |
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+perlDreamer | no, visible means it can be seen. Privacy is something different | 00:49 |
@khenn | yeah | 00:50 |
@khenn | I'm setting them to have private selected | 00:50 |
@khenn | if there is no setting | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | that'll fix the display problem and the bug. | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I need some help from the wiser people in the room | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | this is about Widgets | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | they are mostly broken | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | there's a JSON bug which causes the widget to work as long as you don't specify an override template | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | if you fix the JSON bug, then it breaks the widgets completely | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | in that the templating solution will not handle variables with dashes, like assetIds | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | which is what the widget set it up to do | 01:10 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, can you specify a clause in an ORDER BY statement in MySQL? | 02:23 |
+perlDreamer | like ORDER BY column=value? | 02:23 |
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+perlDreamer | bug-- | 02:38 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10346 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm): Remove a strange clause from Inbox ORDER BY. | 02:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10347 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Bug attribution. | 02:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10348 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm): Backporting Inbox fix. | 02:43 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam, you missed all the fun | 02:43 |
+patspam | i did? | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | yup, bug-fix-orama | 02:44 |
+patspam | ah damn | 02:44 |
+patspam | sucks being in a different tz | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | I'm sure no one would mind if you wanted to shoot a few, still | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | SDuensin, are you around? | 02:45 |
+patspam | how many did you guys get through? | 02:45 |
@rizen | killed about 30ish | 02:46 |
+patspam | nice | 02:46 |
@rizen | and we took a vote | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | down to 76 bugs | 02:46 |
@rizen | and decided to hate you | 02:46 |
+patspam | that's unconstitutional! | 02:46 |
@rizen | no, we voted on it and everything | 02:47 |
+patspam | dang. oh hey i know which bug i want to fix.. $rizen->approveRFE() is broken | 02:48 |
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@rizen | it's not broken | 02:49 |
@rizen | it's just running slowly | 02:49 |
@rizen | rizen was core dumping last week | 02:49 |
+patspam | ate some dodgey curry? | 02:49 |
@rizen | married to a disease carrier | 02:50 |
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SDuensin | perlDreamer - Sorry, was running all over town like a crazy person. Back now. | 03:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'd like to close out some of your older bugs | 04:19 |
+perlDreamer | like this one: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9861 | 04:20 |
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SDuensin | Yea, I was just looking at that one. | 04:21 |
* SDuensin got the mail | 04:22 | |
+perlDreamer | is that code inside of a Snippet? | 04:22 |
+perlDreamer | if so, I can help you fix that problem and we can close the bug report | 04:22 |
SDuensin | I don't think so. I thought it was in the site template. | 04:23 |
SDuensin | I'm trying to remember which of my sites I had it on. | 04:23 |
SDuensin | Can't make any of them do it now. Close it. Chalk it up to the position of the moon. | 04:24 |
+perlDreamer | well, if you remember, ping me in channel and we'll work it out | 04:25 |
SDuensin | Sure thing. | 04:25 |
SDuensin | Side note - ever play with GWT? I've been messing with it today. It's nice! | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | GWT, Google's version of YUI? | 04:26 |
SDuensin | Someone came up with a way to do PHP on the server with it. I was going to poke around in it and see if we could make it call Perl on the server. | 04:26 |
SDuensin | Yea, but it's more than that... | 04:26 |
* perlDreamer doesn't do very much javascript yet | 04:26 | |
SDuensin | Eclipse + GWT Designer = Visual Frackin' Basic on the web. | 04:26 |
SDuensin | (Well, except the Basic part.) | 04:26 |
SDuensin | This thing is a hundred bucks, but so far, the trial is proving quite worth it: http://www.instantiations.com/gwtdesigner/index.html | 04:27 |
SDuensin | Of course, I know I should be using Cappuccino. :-) | 04:28 |
* SDuensin already speaks Java, not ObjC. | 04:28 | |
* perlDreamer has already heard of your unnatural fascination for the non-perl languages, SDuensin | 04:57 | |
SDuensin | I *like* Perl. I just (currently) suck at it. | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | I know, it's just hard to pass up an opportunity to expose by perl bigorty | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | s/by/my/ | 05:02 |
+perlDreamer | good night, all | 05:13 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10349 /translations/ (170 files in 3 dirs): Update from translation server | 14:24 |
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carogray | good morning - goodday! | 16:26 |
carogray | does anyone know if I can create a package - "deploy" the package inside a page layout a few times - undo the package and then make a package of the page layout? would this work? | 16:27 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10350 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/gotcha.txt: remove stop notice from gotchas | 17:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10351 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.19-7.6.20.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: 7.6 upgrade left some default content marked as packages | 17:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10352 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fix double my | 17:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10353 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.20 release | 17:24 |
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carogray | any reason for WebGUI not to be saving edits? | 17:34 |
nuba | maybe its throwing a tantrum on you | 17:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10354 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.20-stable: Release 7.6.20-stable | 17:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10355 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): prepare for 7.6.21 dev | 17:55 |
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@plainhao | anyone know how to tell the shop where to go after PayDriver www_getCredentials? | 18:15 |
* plainhao is fuggling with www_pay with no luck. | 18:15 | |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10356 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh): getting graphviz to work | 18:32 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10357 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): Added GraphViz-2.04 and IPC-Run-0.82. | 19:14 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10358 /wrebuild/getperlmodules.sh: removed duplicate scalar list utils | 19:14 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10359 /experimental/ChartMagick: moved to git @ http://github.com/plainblack/chartmagick | 19:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10360 /modules: no modules left on svn | 19:44 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: re that mysql construct, I couldn't find any reference to it in MySQL's online docs | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | what does it do? | 20:06 |
daviddelikat | what SQL are we talking about? | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | SORT BY messageStatus='pending' DESC, dateStamp DESC | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | it's in the Inbox | 20:08 |
daviddelikat | shouldn't it be order by? | 20:09 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that, too | 20:09 |
daviddelikat | so it orders by the two fiedls and if status is null it defaults to pending... | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | that's handy, since it allows you to stuff null fields into the order where you want them | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | someone posted a bug about it not working | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | but it worked in my version of MySQL, and seemingly all the WREs | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | for reference: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10162 | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 20:12 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: perhaps they have an old version of the DBD::MySQL? | 20:15 |
* perlDreamer is thinking it's a bug in a particular version of MySQL | 20:17 | |
daviddelikat | I thin k both version and bug are possible issues. if it is not in the docs it is likely to be rather newish... | 20:18 |
* perlDreamer is wondering if he should revert the patch and instruct the user to upgrade | 20:19 | |
daviddelikat | hmmm, database upgrades area rather serious thing, something some people find quite prohibitive... | 20:20 |
daviddelikat | but the patch will likely cause problems for someone else as the pending thing will be missing... | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | right | 20:20 |
daviddelikat | I'd say educate the customer and let them choose how to handle their own stuff, but take the patch out... least thats what i'd do... | 20:22 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10361 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.pm: remove debugging code | 20:59 |
+perlDreamer | you know, if we used base64 encoding for lineage, we could hold a lot more than 999,999 assets per branch | 21:04 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10362 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Move packages, as well as code, again. | 21:28 |
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@Haarg | there are a number of alternate encoding methods we could use for lineage | 21:30 |
@Haarg | but increasing the max depth would probably be more worthwhile than the number at each level | 21:31 |
@Haarg | or both could be done | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | yes, and if the encoding was denser, then we could use fewer digits per level, which would also add more depth | 21:32 |
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@rizen | you guys are insane | 21:43 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10363 /wrebuild/getperlmodules.sh: screwed up urls, now fixed | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | yes, rizen, but isn't that why you keep us around? | 21:56 |
@rizen | indeed | 21:56 |
@rizen | cuz your insane ideas often lead to something useful | 21:57 |
@rizen | even if it's not the original idea | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | how's the score on this latest one? | 21:57 |
@rizen | i thought of something that might be useful about it | 21:57 |
@rizen | i dont' see any utility in extending the number of levels or the number of items per level | 21:57 |
@rizen | but using base64 would allow us to cut the key size in half | 21:58 |
@rizen | and doing that might be a performance gain | 21:58 |
@rizen | i'm writing a test now to verify | 21:58 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10364 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Survey editor now keeps survye objedts in a scrollable panel to keep buttons always in view. | 22:26 |
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+perlDreamer | what a royal fiasco | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | that issue with packages not being to go deep into the import node is a pain | 01:11 |
@Haarg | you mean where they don't get placed in their original parent? | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | the fault it totally mine | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | I made the package where I wanted it | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | instead of reexporting the parent (which is also a package), I just exported the child | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | then, on the second go round, I modified some other templates | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | then reset the site, which put the child parallel to the parent | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | then only exported the parent | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | so it was bad procedure on my part | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | I didn't jump through all the right hoops | 01:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10365 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.4/root_import_storymanager.wgpkg: Finally add StoryTopic template to the StoryManager package. | 01:24 |
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+perlDreamer | catch y'all later | 01:41 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: tom * r10366 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm: Fix for bug # 10131 - WebGUI::Form::Integer returns 0 even if inbound value is empty, had to code a workaround (rather than change WebGUI::Form::Integer, which could have downstream effects) | 06:59 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10367 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Fix spelling errors in changelog entry. | 07:40 |
+perlDreamer | deafferret, sorry, I missed. | 07:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10368 /WebGUI/t/Form/Integer.t: Add more tests to reveal Form/Integer behavior. | 08:00 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10369 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 08:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Mirror fix for dragging to all other Page Layout templates. Add note to gotchas about | 08:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: custom page layout templates, along with instructions for how to modify to make them | 08:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: work. | 08:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10370 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 08:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Improved Edit Survey section list. | 08:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Removed unnecessary <br>'s from Section list | 08:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Made sections panel resizable | 08:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Made current selection highlighted via CSS | 08:40 |
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LTR_bob | Is anybody here from the Dutch translation team? | 11:21 |
LTR_bob | ./Dutch/PayDriver.pm:6: 'message' => 'Ers is een aankoop gedaan. Bestelling #' | 11:21 |
@preaction | LTR_bob: the one most often here is BartJol | 11:22 |
LTR_bob | Yep, he usually is here.... | 11:24 |
LTR_bob | I might send him a mail | 11:25 |
ryuu_ro | BartJol bought a house which needs some work done, so he's working half days at the moment | 11:25 |
@preaction | nice | 11:25 |
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+BartJol | LTR_bob: nu zit ik in een cursus | 14:10 |
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@plainhao | oy, someone's wre.conf got emptied | 17:01 |
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+MrHairgrease | howdy | 17:10 |
+MrHairgrease | good timing | 17:10 |
+MrHairgrease | i was just writing an email | 17:10 |
+MrHairgrease | my question: what should be done with the tax override option in the sku's | 17:10 |
+MrHairgrease | From what I remember, you do not want it to be part of the Generic tax plugin | 17:11 |
+MrHairgrease | but it doesn't belong in the the EU plugin as well | 17:11 |
@rizen | you can put it in the generic tax plugin | 17:12 |
@rizen | that's fine | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | If the Generic plugin should work just as the taxing system is working currently, though | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | I think the override should be part of t | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | good | 17:12 |
+MrHairgrease | question to all perl guru's out here | 17:20 |
+MrHairgrease | why should you use a className method if you could you could also use ref | 17:21 |
+MrHairgrease | ie. sub className { return 'A::B::C' } | 17:22 |
+MrHairgrease | $abcINstance->className vs. ref $abcInstance | 17:22 |
daviddelikat | do you mean whats the diff btwn CLASS->f(arg) and $ref->f(arg)? | 17:22 |
+MrHairgrease | nonono | 17:22 |
+MrHairgrease | I know that difference | 17:22 |
+MrHairgrease | hang on | 17:23 |
+MrHairgrease | i'll pastbin something | 17:23 |
daviddelikat | ref $object will give you what it actually is, while the other is detrmined by the developer | 17:23 |
daviddelikat | you would use the first one if you had an interface class | 17:24 |
daviddelikat | or a 'factory' cass | 17:24 |
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daviddelikat | that is not just a perl thing, the scheme is used in every object system... | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1871cc1f | 17:26 |
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daviddelikat | the idea is that the application does not create objects directly, but uses one class to generate many different kinds of objects | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | the idea of the className method is that it returns the class name of the class | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | ref does the same thing | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | daviddelikat: please explain, I'm not following you | 17:28 |
daviddelikat | yeah, theres nothing special abouthis particular case. ref $obj may be faster... but that would be the only benefit | 17:28 |
AMH_henry | hi rizen, i'm trying to understand some code in WebGUI::Search. What is the reason that whitespaces are replaced by '' in assetIndex.keywords? | 17:28 |
+MrHairgrease | well the benefit I see is that it doesn't require plugin writers to add the className method | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | and thus duplicate code ( it's already in the package declaration ) | 17:30 |
daviddelikat | there may be cases where it does return something different, so then each one has to have something | 17:30 |
@rizen | AMH_henry: let me look at the code | 17:30 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm talking WebGUI specific here | 17:30 |
daviddelikat | personally I'd inherit a function that returns ref so that everyone doesn't have to write there own | 17:30 |
daviddelikat | but I have nto wframeworks latelyritten any object | 17:30 |
daviddelikat | ignore garbled mesage | 17:31 |
daviddelikat | I have not written any object frameworks lately... | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | and if you'd return something different from the className methods, you'll be in trouble | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | that's why i asked | 17:31 |
@rizen | AMH_henry: what line is that on? | 17:31 |
daviddelikat | not if the class returned was a factory class or interface class | 17:32 |
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AMH_henry | rizen: it's actually in WEbGUI::Search::Index::create | 17:32 |
daviddelikat | with factories you will always get a different object than you call for. | 17:32 |
+MrHairgrease | We use WG::PLuggable for that | 17:33 |
daviddelikat | so: FACTORY->new($parm) will return oan object where ref $obj ne 'FACTORY' | 17:33 |
@rizen | AMH_henry: i think you're looking at the patch added for chinese character support | 17:33 |
@rizen | $keywords =~ s/\s/\'\'/g; | 17:34 |
@rizen | that line, right? | 17:34 |
AMH_henry | yes | 17:34 |
AMH_henry | it causes all whitespaces to be replaced | 17:34 |
@rizen | i have no idea what it's there for, i just know that the whole section it's in was submitted by zxp, who deals with chinese character set stuff | 17:34 |
daviddelikat | MrHairgrease: I guess the real answer is I don't know why WG does it, but I know there are vlid reasons for doing it | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:35 |
daviddelikat | s/vlid/valid/ | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | fair enough | 17:35 |
daviddelikat | heres an interesting one: | 17:35 |
daviddelikat | $array->[1]{keyx}{key32}-className; | 17:36 |
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daviddelikat | its more readablel than ref $array->blak blah | 17:36 |
+MrHairgrease | true | 17:36 |
+MrHairgrease | but then you could also change the className method in the baseclass to | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | sub className { return ref $_[0] } | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | and not require people to do that | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway | 17:37 |
AMH_henry | rizen: k, ic. thx. | 17:38 |
daviddelikat | yup | 17:38 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm postponing this discussion for now | 17:38 |
+MrHairgrease | and do some work =) | 17:38 |
daviddelikat | what an idea! | 17:38 |
AMH_henry | rizen: btw, the line utf8::decode($keywords); causes indexing to fail in some cases. I'll file a bug report later on | 17:39 |
+perlDreamer | webgui.org is down? | 17:46 |
daviddelikat | looks ok from here | 17:47 |
+perlDreamer | must have been a transient problem, it's working from here now, too | 17:49 |
+perlDreamer | although I've always suspected that you Wisconsinites get better treatment than the rest of us | 17:49 |
daviddelikat | thats just a rumour started by those Chicago folks | 17:50 |
daviddelikat | and they keep blocking our packets | 17:51 |
daviddelikat | and cutting wires | 17:51 |
daviddelikat | and stuff | 17:51 |
daviddelikat | trying to get us to argue .... | 17:51 |
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+perlDreamer | If you think those Chicago guys are bad, watch out for the ones in California | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | not to mention the Eurotrash! | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | aw, we luv our Eurotrash | 18:01 |
+MrHairgrease | so do we =) | 18:03 |
daviddelikat | you should have heard the comments this morning | 18:04 |
daviddelikat | somebody showed up with a cubs hat on.. | 18:05 |
* perlDreamer will read the logs | 18:09 | |
+perlDreamer | no cubs mentioned | 18:12 |
daviddelikat | wrong meeting... | 18:12 |
daviddelikat | I get to gether with a bunch of goys on Thursday Mornings | 18:13 |
daviddelikat | the leader wore a Chicago Cubs hat today | 18:13 |
daviddelikat | in the middle of some die hard Brewers fans... | 18:13 |
daviddelikat | not a pretty site | 18:13 |
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daviddelikat | this is beautiful code... http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e6f5463 | 18:28 |
daviddelikat | compared to this http://webgui.pastebin.com/d23a4c8dc | 18:29 |
+perlDreamer | they do different things? | 18:30 |
+MrHairgrease | it's funny how you use the heredoc to create Pythonesque delimiters | 18:30 |
daviddelikat | what does it have to do with python? | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, no whitespace delimiters | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | <<"" | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | if that gets indented, it breaks | 18:31 |
daviddelikat | how does indenting break it? | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I'm wrong | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | "" is an empty line? | 18:32 |
daviddelikat | blank line should stay blank | 18:32 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10372 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: Add POD missing for generateCloud method. | 18:32 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10373 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm: Document that getUserList returns users sorted by username. | 18:32 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10374 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: More missing POD for generateCloud | 18:32 |
daviddelikat | if it used an id then it would break | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | so if that gets indented, the line is no longer empty | 18:32 |
daviddelikat | that is what makes it so good | 18:32 |
+perlDreamer | "" ne " " | 18:32 |
daviddelikat | shouldn't add spaces to a blank line | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | tell that to emacs :) | 18:33 |
daviddelikat | use VI | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | or whatever editor khenn uses | 18:33 |
daviddelikat | its better | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | I use vi | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | and it's not a goo idea imho | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | what does PBP say about HEREDOCS? | 18:33 |
+MrHairgrease | i mean using vi is | 18:33 |
daviddelikat | whats wrong with vi | 18:34 |
+MrHairgrease | using invisible delimiters isnt | 18:34 |
@khenn | Komodo =) | 18:34 |
@Haarg | i used to indent empty lines, but git bitches about it so i stopped doing that | 18:34 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 18:34 |
+MrHairgrease | vi is good | 18:34 |
+MrHairgrease | i use vi all the time | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | khenn, you changed editors? | 18:34 |
daviddelikat | oddly enough blank space is not invisible | 18:34 |
@khenn | about a year ago | 18:34 |
+MrHairgrease | khenn: joeri and rory are using komodo too | 18:35 |
@khenn | so does rizen | 18:35 |
@Haarg | in general i'd say it's a good idea to use heredocs for that, but a bad idea to use an empty delimiter | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | as long as you can tell it to use gvim, that should be okay | 18:35 |
@rizen | rizen is 50/50 vim/komodo | 18:35 |
+MrHairgrease | in the Netherlands spaces are invisible | 18:35 |
daviddelikat | must make reading very difficult | 18:36 |
@Haarg | i have vim showing me whitespace so i can always get annoyed at others' inconsistant indenting | 18:36 |
daviddelikat | i have a special setting the converts 'whitespace' to 'blackspace' :) | 18:37 |
@rizen | i have Haarg sitting next to me so i can be perpetually annoyed | 18:37 |
daviddelikat | I use headphones when that happens | 18:38 |
@rizen | doesn't help. the stench of his existence is what annoys me | 18:38 |
+MrHairgrease | then put the headphones over your nose | 18:39 |
+MrHairgrease | and stop being a baby | 18:39 |
* perlDreamer notes to pack pitstick for the WUC | 18:39 | |
@rizen | actually it's not so much the stench of his existence as it is the fact that as far as he's concerned everything i do is bad or wrong | 18:39 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:39 |
+MrHairgrease | you think that yourself too | 18:39 |
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+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, are you confusing crappy code with GarbledCrap? | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | all the time | 18:49 |
+MrHairgrease | it's the way I work | 18:49 |
ckotil | is there a way i can limit subfolder_loop? i have LOTS of children, and its cuasing slow down for the folder asset | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | ckotil, for too many children, /me recommends birth control | 18:59 |
ckotil | heh | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | the folder has no pagination controls for sub folders or for other children | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | which leaves you 2 options | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | 1) RFE in some pagination controls | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | 2) Organize your assets differently | 19:01 |
ckotil | hrmm | 19:01 |
ckotil | so i should abandon the folder asset? | 19:01 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen: i suppose that sku specific tax setting should be versioned as well... | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | that's an option, too, but not your only one | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | what would you use in its place? | 19:02 |
ckotil | i believe i can hack the folder asset sub view() to only loop X amount of levels deep | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | it only goes 1 level deep | 19:02 |
ckotil | oh really? | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | the getLineage call is for children | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | which is immediate descendants | 19:03 |
ckotil | bc the many children are a good 3 levels deep | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | and they display in the folder? | 19:04 |
* perlDreamer would like to see that | 19:04 | |
ckotil | and i'd like to show you | 19:06 |
ckotil | i can take screen caps | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | sounds good | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | use an image pastebin | 19:06 |
ckotil | k | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | you're sure they're 3 levels deep in lineage, and not just URL? | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | whoops, laundry time, be back in 5 | 19:07 |
ckotil | yeah, lineage is 3 deep | 19:07 |
ckotil | ok , lunch for me. | 19:07 |
SDuensin | Hey gang. | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | whazzup, SDuensin? | 19:12 |
SDuensin | Not much. Playing with toolkits before I embark on boring projects for internal use. | 19:13 |
+MrHairgrease | hey perlDreamer: is this you: http://search.cpan.org/~colink/ ? | 19:13 |
SDuensin | Last two days I've messed with GWT and Cappuccino. Cappuccino is cooler, but I'll be a LOT more productive with GWT. | 19:14 |
@rizen | MrHairgrease: it would be nice if all custom tax properties were versioned. seems like this should just be a json field that's always part of sku. | 19:25 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | right now i put it in a seperate table | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | to allow the pluginto search through the option people set | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | for instance | 19:27 |
+MrHairgrease | if you define a tax group in the eu plugin | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | and delete it later on | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | that's me, MrHairgrease | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | you could warn the user that they're gonna change some product's tax things | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | but the more I think about it | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | I confess that I'm the owner of old, crufty perl modules | 19:29 |
+MrHairgrease | the better a json blob sound | 19:29 |
+MrHairgrease | I applied for a PAUSE account today | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | for ChartMagick? | 19:29 |
+MrHairgrease | so I'll prolly stuff the tax config in the json blob | 19:29 |
+MrHairgrease | pd: yes | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, I kill myself: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m22de939a | 19:32 |
+MrHairgrease | since when are you Mrs Defresne? | 19:32 |
+MrHairgrease | ok, gotta go | 19:33 |
+MrHairgrease | later! | 19:33 |
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@rizen | perlDreamer: i don't understand | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | The byline for the picture is Elmo Blatch | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | who really killed Mrs. Dufresne | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | this is where you say: | 19:40 |
ckotil | pd: http://snare.grnoc.iu.edu/folder_asset/ | 19:40 |
ckotil | i capped screens from differing levels | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | "ha ha" <- (maybe I really don't want this guy to have commit access) | 19:40 |
ckotil | you'll notice lots of folder assets | 19:40 |
ckotil | you think running rebuildLineage script woudl help? | 19:41 |
ckotil | bc when I first imported all of these assets, this issue didn't exist. | 19:41 |
* perlDreamer does not understand what Level 1 .. Level N means | 19:42 | |
ckotil | hrmm. | 19:43 |
ckotil | so level1 is the top level, then at level2 i dig down a level | 19:43 |
ckotil | etc.. | 19:43 |
ckotil | at the bottom level there are files | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | but the folders are not showing deep children | 19:43 |
ckotil | i know | 19:43 |
* perlDreamer is confused | 19:44 | |
ckotil | the stuff on the left is generated by navigation asset. the stuff in the main section of the page is generated by the folder asset | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | sure, that I get | 19:44 |
ckotil | would screen caps of the same levels in the asset manager view help? | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:45 |
ckotil | k | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | but only if they show the folder doing something wrong | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | for example, Level2.tiff shows some files, but they may not be configured to show in the nav | 19:46 |
ckotil | everything is displaying the way I want it | 19:46 |
ckotil | ok capping the asset manager view now | 19:50 |
ckotil | http://snare.grnoc.iu.edu/folder_asset/ | 19:54 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10375 /wrebuild/build.sh: fixed a syntax error | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | ckotil, level 2 looks fine | 20:00 |
ckotil | it all looks the way we want. it just loads very slow | 20:00 |
ckotil | and i think its because of all the files and folders | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | are the sub levels as slow as the top level? | 20:01 |
ckotil | if i move the folder asset containing all the children, the page loads quick again | 20:01 |
ckotil | ill check. | 20:01 |
ckotil | the lower levels are speedy | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | So it's really the File Bin page that's the problem? | 20:02 |
ckotil | file bin page, L1 engineering, OTDR - Power Meters. | 20:02 |
ckotil | thats level 1, 2, and 3 | 20:02 |
ckotil | level4 starts to speed up | 20:02 |
ckotil | and then 5 and 6 are speedy | 20:02 |
ckotil | bc there are less files to loop through (i think) | 20:03 |
ckotil | well i know there are less fiels to loop through | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | okay, let's recap the problem then | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | levels 4-6 are "speedy" | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | levels 1-3 are not | 20:05 |
ckotil | yes. and it only gets slow when you dig into the file bin section | 20:06 |
ckotil | the other sections are normal | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | to me, it seems like the factor is the number of assets at the current level, rather than the total number of descendants | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | does that sound right? | 20:06 |
ckotil | whcih is why i think its safe to rule out the nav asset, and suspect the folder asset | 20:06 |
ckotil | but there is never an overwhelming number of assets at any single level | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | there are more assets at the 1-3 level than the 4-6 levels though | 20:07 |
ckotil | its only when you add in the all the children that the number of assets becomes overwhelming | 20:07 |
ckotil | oh no no. | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | no? | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | level 6 has 2 kids | 20:07 |
ckotil | yes, but level 3 has ton of descendants | 20:08 |
ckotil | 20 folder assets each with 20 folder assets each with a few (in the example case 2) kids | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | but the Folder Asset doesn't consider descendants | 20:09 |
+perlDreamer | it only looks at children | 20:09 |
+perlDreamer | if you were to empty a bunch of those level 3 folder assets (leaving the original 20) I think you'd see little difference in speed | 20:10 |
ckotil | hrm, so perhaps i *should* be suspect of the nav asset | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | it's easy to check. Just remove it from the style template and reload the page | 20:10 |
ckotil | ya | 20:10 |
* ckotil does that | 20:10 | |
ckotil | not the nav asset. definately the folder asset | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | okay, then I'd say the next step is to try and empty out some of those sub folders, and see if descendants make a difference | 20:15 |
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+perlDreamer | since deleting is not versioned, you can always make a package and then reimport it inside the folders | 20:15 |
ckotil | so i should creaet a package of all th children i suspect are causing the slowdown, and then delete them to test? | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:18 |
ckotil | k | 20:18 |
ckotil | i just enabled debug and performance idicators | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | but be sure that you leave the original 20 folders in level 3 | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | just empty them out | 20:18 |
ckotil | hrmm, thats gonna take a while | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | that will tell us if the problem is related to descendants, or children | 20:19 |
ckotil | ok | 20:19 |
ckotil | i can just delete them for good. on my dev instance | 20:19 |
ckotil | will be quicker | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | there is 1 other way to do this, using Devel::NYTProf | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | but it would take a lot of setup | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | and I don't know how to do it myself | 20:19 |
ckotil | i wouldnt know where to begin | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | me either, beyond perldoc Devel::NYTProf or google Devel::NYTProf mod_perl | 20:20 |
ckotil | heh. well | 20:20 |
ckotil | about 760 sql queries to load level 2 | 20:20 |
ckotil | err. rather 5000 to load level1, and 4373 for level2 | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | 5000? | 20:22 |
ckotil | and ~200 for a page that loads quick | 20:22 |
ckotil | ya. sooo...that could be why its slow | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | and you're sure it's not the nav | 20:23 |
ckotil | pretty sure. ill remove the nav again w/ debug on | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | wait! | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | how 'bout saving some of that debug output for future reference? | 20:23 |
ckotil | and ive got a performance indicator for hte nag. bc i use an assetproxy to get it into the style. | 20:23 |
ckotil | AssetProxy:0.164169 | 20:23 |
ckotil | sure ill save the debug output | 20:24 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10376 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): rfe: Extend DateTime for Week-Nrs (#9151) | 20:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10377 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Static export for the topic is done. | 20:26 |
ckotil | removing the nav asset reduced the number of queries by 50 or so | 20:34 |
ckotil | so all those queries are coming from the folder asset | 20:34 |
* perlDreamer is amazed | 20:34 | |
+perlDreamer | kind of like the whole Luke / Darth Vader father thing | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | It's not possible | 20:35 |
ckotil | think i'm the first to load up this many files inside so many folders? | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | no | 20:35 |
ckotil | darn | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | could you paste the level1 debug and performance output, please? | 20:36 |
ckotil | sure | 20:36 |
ckotil | now the performance indicators, i only see 2. where i used assetproxy | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | shoot, I gotta scoot | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | I'll stay logged in so I can backlog | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | sorry for running out on you, ckotil | 20:37 |
ckotil | ok. ill post this debug info , and send you a pm | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | but I'm not giving up | 20:38 |
ckotil | no problem. | 20:38 |
ckotil | heh. so i found a performance indicator that reads 8 seconds! theres my slow down. but its on the asset proxy for the nav asset at the bottom of the page. | 20:40 |
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ckotil | SWEET | 21:00 |
ckotil | perlDreamer: ended up not being all the files and folders. | 21:01 |
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ckotil | but the nav asset at the bottom o fthe page. some custom thing i did to generate urls w/ session ID to keep suers logged in | 21:01 |
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carogray | working on more useability of our website | 21:11 |
carogray | is there a way to add a title - explanatory text - to the links created in the navigation | 21:11 |
carogray | ? | 21:11 |
carogray | So our nav is created dynamically, like everyone's who uses WebGUI. the links in the nav are the menu titles | 21:12 |
carogray | can I put something in one of the metadata boxes and then work on the nav template? so that the explanation appears in a tool tips or whereever link titles appear - screen readers can read? | 21:13 |
ckotil | you can. it takes a bit of work modifying the navigation template you are using | 21:14 |
carogray | can you give me some hints? | 21:15 |
ckotil | i pull this off by writing the text i want to see into the meta data summary for an asset. then in the nav template I add <tmpl_var page_synopsis> | 21:16 |
ckotil | meta data summary is also known as synopsis | 21:17 |
carogray | right - so far this looks easier than I thought it would be. | 21:17 |
ckotil | yah , if you understand the template system at all , its really easy to pull off | 21:17 |
carogray | so I just put title="<tmpl_var page_synopsis>" in the <a href tag? | 21:18 |
carogray | oh phew this is terrific! Thanks! | 21:18 |
ckotil | i think <tmpl_var page_synopsis> will go in the <a href="<tmpl_var page_url>"><tmpl_var page_synopsis></a> | 21:18 |
ckotil | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6ce5cbff | 21:21 |
carogray | shouldn't it be | 21:24 |
carogray | <a href="<tmpl_var page.url>"title="<tmpl_var page_synopsis>"><tmpl_var page.menuTitle></a> | 21:24 |
carogray | ? | 21:24 |
carogray | oh yeah pastebin will do/go there | 21:24 |
ckotil | oh so you want users to hover over the link to see the synopsis? | 21:25 |
carogray | right, but need to get menu title in there | 21:25 |
carogray | yes, I think so | 21:25 |
ckotil | <a href="<tmpl_var page.url>"title="<tmpl_var page_synopsis>"><tmpl_var page.menuTitle></a> - <tmpl_var page_synopsis> might be good | 21:26 |
carogray | yep, that's what i was thinking - perect am just about to try it out | 21:26 |
ckotil | cool | 21:29 |
carogray | it works! only thing is the variable is page.synopsis not page_synopsis - I think | 21:32 |
ckotil | ah yes. it _ if you use html::template::expr | 21:33 |
ckotil | . for html::template | 21:33 |
carogray | mmm | 21:34 |
carogray | I see, we are using HTML::Template | 21:34 |
ckotil | with html::template::expr you can do more dynamic stuff with your templates | 21:35 |
carogray | ok well that's terrific! another successful stab at making our website a little more accessible. hurray and thanks ckotil | 21:35 |
ckotil | anytime | 21:35 |
carogray | I think we have used that html::template::expr somewhere else, just can't think where for now. but this little bit has been giant boost - especially since so much is broken on our website now! thanks again. I won't forget this help. | 21:36 |
ckotil | :) | 21:38 |
ckotil | i think im using h:t:e everywhere now | 21:38 |
+perlDreamer | bbl | 22:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10378 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 22:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: add export mode for StoryArchive. | 22:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Turn off search variables when in export mode. | 22:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10379 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10190: Matrix 2.0 - Strange characters in "Show Ratings" box | 22:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10380 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: #10190: Matrix 2.0 - Strange characters in "Show Ratings" box | 22:41 |
+MrHairgrease | cpan module question | 22:45 |
+MrHairgrease | should I use underscore separators instead of camelCase in the API of a new CPAN module | 22:46 |
+MrHairgrease | I already have everything in camel case but I figure now is the time to change that if I'm gonna do it at all | 22:47 |
deafferret | MrHairgrease: It's your call, but I thought underscore was far more popular in Perl | 22:58 |
deafferret | ironically camelCase is a Java thing :) | 22:59 |
deafferret | but there's lots of exceptions, so do it however you want | 22:59 |
+MrHairgrease | deafferret: I know, and what is also important. underscores are a PBP | 23:01 |
deafferret | I can't think of any method calls in camel case in perl... there are lots of package names in camel case though ... | 23:02 |
deafferret | i'm thinking underscores everywhere (sub names, arguments) is the way to go | 23:02 |
deafferret | package names camel cased I guess, or with more ::'s :) | 23:03 |
+MrHairgrease | package names should be camel cased | 23:04 |
+MrHairgrease | even by PBP standards | 23:04 |
@rizen | MrHairgrease: go with what you have | 23:05 |
@rizen | don't retrofit | 23:05 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10381 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Make rssUrl and atomUrl variables respond to exportMode. | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, nuba, what are your opinions on the words RSS and Atom. Do they need i18n entries? | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, what would you translate Atom into? | 00:44 |
@preaction | Atom is a proper noun imho | 00:45 |
@preaction | brand name | 00:45 |
@preaction | WebGUI doesn't get translated | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | that's what I'm thinking | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | but we have an entry for RSS | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | but it's an acronym | 00:47 |
@Haarg | neither should be translated really | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | hm, what about alternate character sets? | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | I guess it doesn't matter | 00:56 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10382 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: Update RssFeed POD with new paramter for assetExportCollateral. | 01:40 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, regarding the bugs you asked me about, were you considering an alternate to backporting the template changes? | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | no, I thought the original fix might merit a review | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | before we spread it across 7.6 and 7.7 | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | and require that people modify custom layout templates | 01:43 |
@Haarg | well, i'm sure there is a different way it could be done | 01:44 |
@Haarg | maybe create those divs in javascript | 01:45 |
@Haarg | that code is still pretty unpleasant | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | the draggable code? | 01:45 |
@Haarg | yeah | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | preaction has been heard to say that it could be completely rewritten in YUI | 01:46 |
@Haarg | it was adjusted to use yui | 01:47 |
@Haarg | but it wasn't a full rewrite unfortunately | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | do you have a feel for how common custom layout templates are? | 01:49 |
+perlDreamer | if they were relatively rare, I don't see it as being a big problem | 01:49 |
@Haarg | i know some people who have lots of custom ones | 01:50 |
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+perlDreamer | you think it would be better to try to automatically update the templates via the upgrade script? | 01:50 |
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+perlDreamer | it sounds awfully complex for a regexp, some parser that would let us walk and insert nodes would better | 01:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10383 /branch/WebGUI_Story/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.4/root_import_storymanager.wgpkg: Add rss and atom feeds to the default storytopic and storyarchive templates | 01:57 |
@Haarg | i'm still not certain about the drag stuff. for the other bug you mentioned, it sounds like it would be best to revert the patch as long as it is valid in mysql | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | I'll do that now | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | does the large programmer across the table have any ideas? | 02:19 |
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@Haarg | seems that's a no | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | no :) | 02:20 |
@Haarg | for the drag thing, i'd like to adjust the javascript so that template modification isn't needed | 02:20 |
@Haarg | but i have to find time to actually do that | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | can you talk me through it? What you have in mind? | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | well | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | I can't do it tonight anyway | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | I'm directing at rehearsal, so I'll be out from 6:30 until 9:30 | 02:22 |
@Haarg | hmm | 02:22 |
@Haarg | actually, it may be simpler than i'm thinking | 02:22 |
@Haarg | <div id="td<tmpl_var id>_handle" class="dragable"><tmpl_var dragger.icon></div> | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | that's the fix | 02:22 |
@Haarg | dragger.icon could just be modified to include that div | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | it sure could :) | 02:23 |
@Haarg | that's probably the best fix | 02:23 |
+perlDreamer | let me finish fixing the Inbox sort by, then I'll test that | 02:23 |
+perlDreamer | it'll also keep you free to work on what you need | 02:23 |
@Haarg | well, i'm going to head home in a few, but i'm going to try to jump on later | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | I'll drop you an email if there are problems | 02:24 |
@Haarg | cool, thanks | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | just don't release until you check your email ;) | 02:25 |
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@Haarg | ok, bbl | 02:26 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10384 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm): Reverting change to Inbox default SORT BY. | 02:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10385 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox.pm): Reverting "fix" for Inbox sorting. | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | cool: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/9ZeFCm8HspU/article.pl | 02:42 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10386 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Implementing rfe 10002, add link to User Manager to view a User's account. | 03:10 |
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+perlDreamer | gugod, You hang out here quite a bit. Are you a WebGUI user? | 03:20 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, am I being overparanoid about that template variable? | 03:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10387 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account.pm): Allow the Account system to return data (JSON/XML/other) without style and layout templates. | 03:24 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10389 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 12:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Refactored Edit Survey page to improve UI, fixed some minor bugs, | 12:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: cleaned up template and css, reduced memory usage | 12:55 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: martin * r10390 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Adding pluggable tax system. | 16:40 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: martin * r10391 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Forgot to 'svn add' a bunch of files. | 16:56 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10392 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js: Removing console.log | 17:11 |
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+MrHairgrease | rizen | 17:53 |
+MrHairgrease | is it ok if i add an option to WG::A::Sku that determines is the price you enter is inclusive or exclusive vat? | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | the usual way in the netherlands is to enter prices including vat | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | and also display prices including vat in the sku view | 17:54 |
@rizen | doesn't that defeat the entire purpose of separating out the tax system? | 17:55 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 17:55 |
@rizen | yes | 17:55 |
@rizen | vat is euro specific | 17:55 |
+MrHairgrease | if I want to sell something for 10 euro's | 17:55 |
+MrHairgrease | the price i mean is 10 euro's | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | not 10 euro's plus vat | 17:56 |
+MrHairgrease | the tax plugin determines what part of the price is vat in that case | 17:56 |
topsub | hello everyone | 17:56 |
@rizen | yeah, but you're asking me if you can put a field into the sku (not the tax system, the sku) that asks something about vat, which is tax specific and euro specific | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 17:57 |
@rizen | if you can do it in a generic way like "Does price include tax?" then i'd be ok with it | 17:57 |
+MrHairgrease | that's what i meant | 17:57 |
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@rizen | so then the generic plugin will also take this field into account? | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | Maybe I should brush up my communicative skills | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 17:58 |
@rizen | then i'm ok with it | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | cool | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | I just committed the pluggable tax stuff btw | 17:58 |
+MrHairgrease | if you spot something braindead, please let me know | 17:59 |
@rizen | ok, i'm preparing to leave for a trade show, but i'll try to look at it while i'm on the plane, in the hotel room, between packing, etc. =) | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | hehe | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | have fun | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | what show are you going to? | 18:01 |
@rizen | http://www.ad-tech.com/sf/ | 18:01 |
+MrHairgrease | it's all about website ads? | 18:02 |
@rizen | no, it's the largest marketing and advertising professionals trade show in the world (they have it in 10 different cities) | 18:02 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:03 |
@rizen | it's about tools for advertisers, marketers, and graphic and web design companies | 18:03 |
@rizen | our goal is to present webgui as a great tool for those people | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | and webgui is one such tool? | 18:03 |
@rizen | yup | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | right | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | cool | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | you're taking tavis along then? | 18:03 |
@rizen | Tavis and Tabitha | 18:03 |
@rizen | We hope the three of us will be able to handle all the booth traffic | 18:04 |
@rizen | Though, that could be problematic, because we've had three people at trade shows that were 1/4 the size of this one, and weren't able to keep up | 18:04 |
+MrHairgrease | but those shows were more tech oriented right? | 18:05 |
@rizen | yup | 18:05 |
+MrHairgrease | ok, good luck | 18:05 |
@rizen | thanks, we'll need it | 18:06 |
+MrHairgrease | and let me know how it worked out | 18:06 |
@rizen | one good thing will come of it | 18:06 |
@rizen | we're giving away 2,000 gooey dolls at this event | 18:06 |
+MrHairgrease | cool | 18:06 |
@rizen | so there will be 2000 people that take away the webgui.org url | 18:06 |
+MrHairgrease | that's an invasion | 18:06 |
@rizen | if nothing else | 18:06 |
@rizen | =) | 18:06 |
+MrHairgrease | and putting them on their heads | 18:07 |
+MrHairgrease | somehow everybody I know that has held a Gooey put him on their heads | 18:07 |
@rizen | we can only hope | 18:07 |
+MrHairgrease | one question, If I want to wipe the entire My purchases histroy in a site. I can just delete from transaction and transactionItem right? | 18:09 |
@rizen | that would do it | 18:10 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:10 |
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@rizen | provided there aren't transactions tied back to your payment gateway | 18:10 |
@rizen | recurring ones i mean | 18:10 |
+MrHairgrease | just making sure I don't leave stuff dangling in the db | 18:10 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:10 |
+MrHairgrease | there aren't | 18:10 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10393 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): | 18:48 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - Added Linux-Smaps-0.06 and Class-Member-1.6. | 18:48 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: - fixed: shared memory not reported correctly (#10212) | 18:48 |
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+perlDreamer | The Shop/Tax tests are broken | 18:55 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg: 7.7 draggable solution committed | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to work on 7.6 next | 19:06 |
@Haarg | cool, thanks | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | and it will make a good WNN article | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | 7.6 is fixed, too | 19:18 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10394 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 19:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Remove package with modified dragger tags. | 19:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Put the new dragger tags into the template variables generated by the Layout. | 19:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Update the Layout Help now that dragger.icon is inside the position loops. | 19:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Remove the gotcha text for the manual modification solution. | 19:19 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10395 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting dragable fix. | 19:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | server side validation on the Survey. Is it necessary? We have client side, so it seems server side would only catch the cheaters, which could be caught in reports providing much more interesting information. | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | validating for what? | 19:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | if the answer met the constraints. | 19:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | Some answer types have constraints | 19:20 |
@Haarg | yes you should have server side validation | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | with server-side validation, would it make it possible for people with JS to use the Survey? | 19:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: the server side would not interfer with the current client side validation at all. | 19:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | interfere | 19:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: but why? What does it gain us to have server side validation? The only people it would ever catch would be cheaters. | 19:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | which could be caught in reporting at any time. | 19:22 |
@rizen | because it's just plain good design | 19:22 |
@rizen | not doing it is just laziness | 19:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | it is implementing the same functionality in two seperate places. | 19:22 |
@rizen | there are two choices in designing web based systems | 19:24 |
@rizen | server side validation or server side and client side | 19:24 |
@rizen | client side only, and no validation at all are basically the same thing | 19:24 |
@rizen | and both useless when it comes to safety and security | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: may I close bug #10212, reporting shared memory incorrectly? | 19:25 |
+perlmonkey2 | this isn't for user auth or something dangerous, it is for determining if a survey answer has met its constraints. The answers are already validated for attacks. | 19:25 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: i'm still validating and rebuilding | 19:26 |
@rizen | i'll do it in a bit | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | okay-doke | 19:26 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: if you want me to i'll go this route: just do it cuz i said so | 19:26 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, should only be a few lines of code to do server side validation, so it isn't really a big deal. | 19:26 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10396 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Preliminary check in for new Survey text number type and validation. | 20:17 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10397 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 20:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Document how template variables work in export mode. | 20:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Change how pagination works when exporting. | 20:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Early code for exporting keyword pages. | 20:31 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10398 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: test for getStaticKeywordUrl | 20:31 |
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Kegaro | wow. | 21:14 |
Kegaro | I really like that chatbox. | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | you were able to get it working then, Kegaro? | 21:14 |
Kegaro | Yup | 21:14 |
Kegaro | I had to 'fix' it though. | 21:15 |
Kegaro | fix isn't the right word -- makes it sounds like it was broken...it wasn't. | 21:15 |
Kegaro | it just didn't work the way I wanted. | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | that would be "hack" :) | 21:15 |
Kegaro | haha | 21:15 |
Kegaro | THAT'S the word I was looking for!! | 21:16 |
Kegaro | I'm working on making my hack an option you can choose on a per-asset basis. | 21:16 |
Kegaro | like -- for example -- I like to chat IRC style .. with the new messages coming in from the bottom. | 21:16 |
Kegaro | I like to scroll...so there is a scrollbar now. | 21:16 |
+perlDreamer | adding asset propeties is pretty easy. They're setup in the definition subroutine. | 21:17 |
+perlDreamer | then you have to add a database column, which is done in whatever install/upgrade script is provided | 21:17 |
Kegaro | and (this took me most of the day today because I know next to NOTHING about javascript) I was able to automatically scroll to the bottom of the <div> window. | 21:17 |
Kegaro | yup. That part is the easy part. | 21:18 |
Kegaro | the part I'm not sure how to do yet is to pull those variables into the javascript. | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | you have a few options there | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | 1) make an ajax call, or return it as part of any JSON that is currently used | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | that's the cleanest way | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | the 2nd way is to use templating | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | where you "generate" the javascript | 21:19 |
Kegaro | ahh. okay. | 21:19 |
Kegaro | this javascript is a "snippet". | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | not so good. Bad separation of code and display | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | or, you can "install" it, kind of like how the Content/AssetManager code does it | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | the javascript provides a default value | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | then the templated/generated code overrides that | 21:20 |
Kegaro | hrm.... | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | did that make any sense? | 21:21 |
Kegaro | I'm gonna have to look at those options and decide which would be the best option... | 21:21 |
Kegaro | yes. it did. | 21:21 |
+perlDreamer | #3 is the easiest. #1 is the "best" | 21:21 |
+perlDreamer | traditionally, we've done #2, but you'll hate it every day of your coding life | 21:21 |
Kegaro | as far as I know...there is no JSON code in this page... | 21:21 |
+perlDreamer | how does it update? | 21:21 |
Kegaro | its all done through javascript timers. | 21:22 |
Kegaro | wait... | 21:22 |
Kegaro | no... | 21:22 |
Kegaro | I'm wrong. | 21:22 |
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Kegaro | I don't know who wrote this chatbox...the bazaar doesn't say the name. | 21:52 |
* perlDreamer thinks it is preaction | 21:52 | |
Kegaro | :-) | 21:53 |
* Kegaro rubs hands like Mr. Burns, "EXcellent!" | 21:54 | |
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elnino | HI from BEAUTIFUL Minnesota! FINALLY! | 21:57 |
deafferret | :) Omaha is nice today too | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | elnino! | 21:59 |
elnino | howdy! | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | what does the "finally" mean? | 21:59 |
elnino | it means it's nice to be outside. I just came home from the zoo. 70 degrees, sun, no clouds, slight breeze. perfect | 22:00 |
elnino | It actually has been nice all week. I guess this was really the first I got to enjoy it. | 22:00 |
deafferret | today is my first motorcyle to work day. :) joy! | 22:01 |
elnino | that too. The roads are clean now, so it CANT snow again, right? | 22:02 |
deafferret | http://twitter.com/deafferret First motorcycle ride into work of the year! woot! If my YTD short ride pattern holds it is now destined to snow tomorrow. :( | 22:03 |
elnino | soo... I was thinking of setting up in webgui and give users a way to subscribe and recieve text messages (rather than emails). has anyone done anythink like this? Isn't SMS just a "special" email address format? | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, I think there are approved RFEs for that | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | you should check | 22:15 |
elnino | oh. ok. | 22:15 |
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Kegaro | a basic HTML question: is there a way to tell if I user browses away from a page? | 22:26 |
Kegaro | if a user, rather. | 22:26 |
elnino | Kegaro | 22:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10399 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm: Save 1 object access per friend by using the friendId we already know. | 22:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10400 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm: exportSession must be closed _before_ it throws. | 22:27 |
elnino | yyou can use a javascipt | 22:27 |
elnino | so for example, a user click a button to "leave" the page, and then you would know. | 22:27 |
elnino | but other than that, if they retype a url in the browser, or something like that, you can't tell if a user leaves. | 22:27 |
Kegaro | okay. | 22:28 |
Kegaro | cool. | 22:28 |
elnino | but you can also use google analytics, and track what pages people leave from. | 22:28 |
elnino | but if you want to say, "DON"T LEAVE YET" google analytics won't help. =) | 22:28 |
elnino | but the javascript could. | 22:28 |
Kegaro | I had a brainstorm for something I would like to see on the chatbox -- a list of people who are also watching the chat. | 22:28 |
elnino | That's a little different. | 22:29 |
Kegaro | make it 'feel' a little more like IRC - with a list of users in the channel down the side. | 22:29 |
elnino | I believe there are macros in webgui that will list "logged on users" | 22:29 |
elnino | Then when they "log off" they will be removed from the "list" | 22:29 |
Kegaro | logged in users doesn't mean they are watching the chatbox...I thought about that too. | 22:29 |
Kegaro | :-) | 22:30 |
elnino | correct | 22:30 |
elnino | it just simply says whether they "logged on" or "logged off" - nothing in between. | 22:30 |
Kegaro | when the chatbox is loads, a POST ?status=1 could be sent to the server, and the users name could be added to the "online" list. | 22:30 |
elnino | at least that's how I understand it. | 22:30 |
Kegaro | but the problem is determining when they leave. | 22:30 |
elnino | they have to click or do something for the system to know. Or I supposed you can time them out. | 22:31 |
Kegaro | I could put a log-out button there...and use a timeout (no activity for X minutes = status=0) | 22:31 |
elnino | right.=) | 22:31 |
Kegaro | hmmm. I'll have to think about that for a while -- if the pain of making it work is worth it. | 22:32 |
Kegaro | if the 'online' list is too unreliable, it might not be worth it. | 22:33 |
@preaction | there's already a ^UsersOnline macro you could use for this purpose | 22:35 |
@preaction | oh | 22:35 |
@preaction | i see | 22:35 |
Kegaro | :-) | 22:35 |
@preaction | it is rather unreliable, but no matter what the chatbox calls ?func=json to get its data. and i believe the timeout on that is 5 or 10 seconds. so if they don't send a request in 30 seconds, they're not watching the chatbox anymore | 22:36 |
Kegaro | oh yaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaa... | 22:37 |
Kegaro | :-) | 22:37 |
elnino | so it IS reliable... sounds like a good solution! | 22:39 |
elnino | um. who's chat box? does webgui have a chat box now? cool. | 22:40 |
Kegaro | Well, if preaction doesn't mind, I think I will work on adding that to the chatbox, too. | 22:40 |
@preaction | elnino: it's not in core, it's an add-on currently in the bazaar | 22:40 |
elnino | is it yours? | 22:41 |
@preaction | i did the initial development, yes | 22:41 |
@preaction | once kegaro gets the extra features done, i'll merge them and update the version in the bazaar | 22:42 |
elnino | cool. | 22:57 |
elnino | preaction.. Has this been tested on 7.6? | 22:58 |
@preaction | it was tested on a version of SVN HEAD from when I uploaded it, so I think yes | 22:58 |
@preaction | the code itself is almost retardedly stupid. some SQL and some JSON accessors | 22:59 |
elnino | simple is good!!! it's a powerful feature to have! | 23:00 |
@preaction | yeah, but it's not doing simple in the right way. we have Crud now for simple SQL (which replaces the raw SQL i had to write), and there are some other Best Practices stuff that i'm not yet doing | 23:02 |
elnino | crud being a perl library or something? | 23:07 |
deafferret | crud? | 23:08 |
deafferret | bot? | 23:08 |
@preaction | WebGUI::Crud is a way to make an API for a simple SQL table | 23:08 |
deafferret | hmm... crud is usually Create/Update/Read/Delete | 23:08 |
deafferret | not in that order :) basic DB IO | 23:08 |
@preaction | once it's an module, it can be used with workflow, it can have additional methods, it can do a lot more fun stuff | 23:09 |
@preaction | yeah, that's why we called it Crud | 23:09 |
elnino | ah. sounds cool. | 23:09 |
@preaction | it is cool. all the 3-4 hours one wastes writing generic get/set/delete/find methods for database tables can be done in 20 lines of definition code now | 23:10 |
@preaction | like DBIx::Class, only smaller and webgui-centric | 23:10 |
elnino | good idea | 23:11 |
@preaction | the better idea will be: we can write an asset that can give a web interface to any WebGUI::Crud subclass ;) | 23:12 |
@preaction | so now you also have a way for end-users to update a Crud table, with no additional code! | 23:12 |
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@preaction | are we releasing 7.7.4 today? | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg mentioned that it would skip a week this week | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | but that was in passing | 23:52 |
@preaction | heh, good. that means my deadline would never have been made anyway | 23:52 |
@preaction | well, we had some emergencies come up yesterday that are now fixed, but that puts us a day behind | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | stuff happens, and it is the beta release | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | and we got some good bugs fixed this morning | 23:53 |
@preaction | we now officially have http basic auth for all our RSS feeds | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | sweet | 23:54 |
@preaction | RSS feeds can now be protected and will still work! yay! | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | say, while you're in there, could you have www_view* check canView? | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | that way the feeds will actually be protected | 23:55 |
@preaction | oh ye of little faith | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | my faith has been very tried today | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | so I'm falling back on incipient nagging | 23:56 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10401 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm): fixed #10213: RssFeed aspect now checks canView and gives HTTP Basic Auth login box | 23:58 |
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+perlDreamer | that is just beautiful | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | too bad we can't have an basic auth aspect | 00:00 |
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+perlDreamer | actually, would that work? | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, we could get some methods mixed in at various levels of hierarchy | 00:40 |
@preaction | i was thinking a revamping of the whole idea of WebGUI::Session::Privilege | 01:09 |
@preaction | once you've decided that the user is not authorized, you choose WHY they aren't authorized (RegisteredUsers, AdminOnly, InsufficientPrivileges) and then turn complete control over to WebGUI::Privilege | 01:10 |
@preaction | in theory, if the content type is not text/html, you could then decide to put the HTTP Basic Auth login box | 01:11 |
@preaction | but really, there's only TWO privilege messages: You aren't allowed to access this, and Nobody is allowed to access this, how did you get here? | 01:13 |
@preaction | if you aren't allowed and you're not logged in, you should be shown the login screen | 01:14 |
@preaction | if you aren't allowed and you are logged in, show an error message | 01:14 |
@preaction | if nobody is allowed, show an error message (different one) | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | sounds good (and testable) :) | 01:18 |
@preaction | i'm also thinking that like the 404 not found page, this should be a template instead of an i18n message | 01:21 |
@preaction | but, that's time i don't have | 01:21 |
@preaction | the most common i18n people want to change is that one, to help users figure out why they are denied | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't take that long to make a template. If you build the template, I'll do the help and i18n for it. | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | (aside: I don't suppose you have a good chicken burrito recipe, do you?) | 01:23 |
@preaction | no, i don't. but i imagine mine would involve some canned, shredded chicken, 1/4 cup of water, taco seasoning, simmer for a while | 01:24 |
@preaction | but if you have chicken already, try cutting into small pieces and making quesadillas instead | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | that's what I was thinking, with the addition of black beans, rice, and cheddar | 01:24 |
@preaction | http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1757,128178-249198,00.html <- spanish rice recipe for side-dish | 01:25 |
@preaction | i removed all the vegetables and replaced them with beans and corn in mine | 01:25 |
@preaction | well, kept onion but used onion powder, garlic powder instead of cloves garlic, etc... | 01:25 |
@preaction | tomato paste is essential though | 01:25 |
@preaction | otherwise, yeah, cook the rice, add the chicken (precooked anyway), beans, cheese, add a 1/2 cup sour cream, and you're good | 01:26 |
* perlDreamer will let you know how it turns out | 01:26 | |
@preaction | oh, add salsa to the mix as well | 01:26 |
@preaction | place in pan on bed of salsa, top with some more cheese, bake for 25 at 375 i think | 01:27 |
@preaction | "Or until heated through and cheese is melted" | 01:27 |
@preaction | (yes, i do have a burrito recipe, just without chicken in it) | 01:28 |
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@preaction | would it be awesome to have Thingy exported as LDAP somehow? | 02:02 |
@preaction | better, IMPORTED from LDAP somehow? | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | no | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | because you said LDAP in it | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | anything with LDAP is bad | 02:17 |
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Kegaro | wow...nothing like trying to put 5 kids to bed to ruin a night. | 03:58 |
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Kegaro | Is anyone still around? | 04:21 |
@preaction | yes'm | 04:22 |
@preaction | we're usually all around somewhere, just responding to thing. | 04:22 |
@preaction | like a group IM service really | 04:22 |
Kegaro | haha | 04:22 |
Kegaro | I'm looking at some other wobjects, trying to figure out how to add more properties to the chatbox -- like the content filter (looks REALLY simple to do!!) | 04:23 |
@preaction | asset properties are in the sub definition () at the top | 04:23 |
@preaction | see lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_wobject.skeleton sub definition for more information | 04:24 |
@preaction | you may also be interested in picking up the WebGUI Developer's Guide, lots of good tutorials and information in there | 04:24 |
Kegaro | yah. I think I may need to. | 04:24 |
@preaction | there's a wiki article on how to write a wobject too | 04:24 |
Kegaro | in the examples I'm looking at, they use WebGUI::International->new | 04:24 |
Kegaro | and I was wondering where/how it got it's information. | 04:25 |
@preaction | yeah, chatbox isn't internationalized | 04:25 |
Kegaro | okay -- that's a language thing, right? | 04:25 |
@preaction | there should be an article on how i18n works too | 04:25 |
@preaction | yeah | 04:25 |
Kegaro | okay. | 04:25 |
Kegaro | cool. | 04:25 |
Kegaro | I was just making sure I wasn't missing anything. | 04:25 |
Kegaro | I can only speak english...so I can't do any of that. :-) | 04:26 |
@preaction | we have translation teams do that. http://i18n.webgui.org <- the $i18n->get('key') gets a key from one of the language files. the default is English | 04:27 |
Kegaro | I can try: French: Le ChatBox. Italian: Chataboxa. Spanish: El Chatboxo. Swaheli: Cha!box!. | 04:28 |
Kegaro | :-) | 04:29 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fixed Tax.t tests. The file that contains them should be renamed to TaxDriver/Generic.t. Will do so when I add the tests for the other taxing | 10:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: components. | 10:55 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10404 /translations/Portuguese/Portuguese/ (5 files): Update from translation server | 23:50 |
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wgGuest15 | Drag and Drop doesn't seem to be working in 7.6.20 - it does work on my sites or on the demo site. Can anyone confirm this? | 00:58 |
wgGuest15 | *doesn't* work work on my sites... | 00:59 |
@preaction | i think there was a bug about this that was fixed | 01:03 |
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wgGuest15 | preaction: i.e. the fixed version will be 7.6.21? I need to do some more work on the site tomorrow. I'm not a coder. Is there a way to manually patch this and/or manually change the location of assets? | 01:44 |
wgGuest15 | I've already made some changes and would prefer not to have to go to my last backup. | 01:45 |
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@preaction | wgGuest15: check your docs/gotcha.txt | 01:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10407 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 01:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: added Survey Number type. Text number entry that uses slider restrictions as constraints (server and client side). You can also use the arrow keys | 01:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: to increment or decrement the number enter. | 01:46 |
wgGuest15 | preaction: I've checked the gotcha and the last entry pertains to 7.6.11. | 01:56 |
@preaction | wgGuest15: give me a minute to gather the instructions on how to fix this for yourself. you're gonna have to help me a little here | 02:02 |
wgGuest15 | preaction: Thanks! | 02:03 |
@preaction | wgGuest15: go to: http://yoursite.com/default_page?func=edit <- look at the "Revisions" on the right, when is the latest one? 8 months ago? | 02:03 |
@preaction | there should be more than one revision, at least | 02:04 |
@preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com <- paste the contents of your template there please | 02:04 |
@preaction | and then give me the URL it gives you | 02:04 |
wgGuest15 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1734caab | 02:06 |
wgGuest15 | Prior version was 7 months ago | 02:06 |
wgGuest15 | pasted the current version | 02:06 |
@preaction | you arent using any custom page layout templates are you? | 02:07 |
wgGuest15 | no, only change the styles of the defaults | 02:08 |
@preaction | okay, what i want you to do is grab only lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm from WebGUI 7.6.19 and replace your current lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm with it | 02:09 |
@preaction | that ... should work | 02:09 |
@preaction | http://update.webgui.org/7.x.x <- old versions of WebGUI | 02:09 |
wgGuest15 | ok I'll download it now. | 02:10 |
wgGuest15 | Do I need to restart WebGUI> | 02:18 |
wgGuest15 | ? | 02:18 |
@preaction | yes | 02:18 |
@preaction | when code changes or configuration files change you have to restart | 02:18 |
wgGuest15 | It doesn't seem to have changed anything. Behavior is the same... | 02:23 |
@preaction | what browser are you using? | 02:27 |
wgGuest15 | I've checked in FF and Chrome | 02:27 |
wgGuest15 | I may have done something wrong | 02:28 |
wgGuest15 | I run diff on the two files and I don't see any changes... | 02:29 |
@preaction | what's the last version of webgui you had before this? | 02:29 |
wgGuest15 | 7.6.18 | 02:29 |
@preaction | and it worked then? | 02:29 |
wgGuest15 | I don't know. I didn't attempt to make any changes to the site. | 02:30 |
wgGuest15 | But the demo server seems to have the same problem... | 02:31 |
@preaction | yes, i'm there now | 02:31 |
@preaction | ok, i fixed it, i'll get you the instructions | 02:36 |
wgGuest15 | I can edit from the console as needed. If I'm told what to do. | 02:37 |
@preaction | okay. so this will fix it temporarily, but as soon as .21 gets released i want you to upgrade and come back here when you do so that we can help you fix it again | 02:38 |
wgGuest15 | will do | 02:38 |
@preaction | i'm not sure how my fix is going to hurt/help your upgrade path, so i want to get it done while i remember what i did here | 02:38 |
@preaction | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.8/default_page.wgpkg?rev=10298 <- download that file. go to the Asset Manager, and import the package. | 02:38 |
@preaction | that's it, then it's fixed | 02:38 |
@preaction | the .21 upgrade i believe assumes that package is NOT there, which means that you'll need to delete the revision that the package creates | 02:39 |
@preaction | when you upgrade to .21 | 02:39 |
@preaction | but just come back here and we'll help you sort it all out | 02:39 |
@preaction | daviddelikat and perlDreamer have both worked on this bug, so they should know what's going on. | 02:40 |
wgGuest15 | I'll do that. is 21 due out this week? | 02:40 |
@preaction | yes, Tuesday is stable release day | 02:40 |
@preaction | i'm now going to go rant for a while on proper QA procedures to avoid regressions on a so-called STABLE release... | 02:41 |
@preaction | if you need me, i'll be in the angry dome | 02:41 |
wgGuest15 | thanks for your help you've been great. You also helped me on the forums. I'm dhelsten. | 02:41 |
@preaction | you can use a real IRC client to get here if you want | 02:42 |
@preaction | irc.freenode.com #webgui | 02:42 |
wgGuest15 | One suggestion I have would be to allow users to update to any one of the last three versions when using webgui update. This isn't the first time that I installed the latest version within the week it came out and had some major problems out the chute. (My own rant). I'll download an IRC client. I just don't use it much. | 02:44 |
wgGuest15 | Thanks again. | 02:44 |
@preaction | wgGuest15: i like that idea, http://webgui.org/rfe <- post an RFE for it | 02:45 |
wgGuest15 | Will do. By the way, is importing the package enough or do I actually place it somewhere? | 02:46 |
@preaction | just importing the package will update the underlying asset. | 02:46 |
wgGuest15 | OK | 02:46 |
@preaction | you can click "Edit" and go to the metadata tab and make it not be a package anymore if you want | 02:47 |
wgGuest15 | packages have never been very intituive me because I don't know how they really interact with the file system/database. | 02:48 |
@preaction | the Content Manager's Guide has all the information you'll need about packages | 02:48 |
@preaction | there's a few articles in the wiki about them too | 02:48 |
wgGuest15 | OK | 02:49 |
wgGuest15 | Yikes, I got an error on import. I'll try downloading again. Error: Unable to extract package! The package may be corrupt, or there may be a server error preventing packages from being imported. | 02:52 |
wgGuest15 | Do I need to unzip first... | 02:52 |
wgGuest15 | will try | 02:52 |
wgGuest15 | ok. that was it. didn't see that it was gzipped. | 02:53 |
@preaction | er... it's supposed to be gzipped | 02:54 |
@preaction | it's wgpkg, it's a gzipped bunch of .json files | 02:55 |
@preaction | check your error log | 02:55 |
wgGuest15 | it read ...wgpkg.gz so I assume I just needed unzip and to get it to end in wgpkg before importing | 02:57 |
wgGuest15 | seems to have gone ok after I did that | 02:57 |
@preaction | weird | 02:57 |
wgGuest15 | ok it seems to be working. However I misunderstood you when you asked if I was using the default template. I thought you meant the original layout templates that came with webgui. I'm actually using two column right for most of my work as opposed to the default page. The fix works great when I'm on the default page, not on the others of course. Sorry, I should have been more clear. | 03:01 |
@preaction | wgGuest15: okay. edit the Right Column template (go to the edit screen of your page layout, click Display, click Edit next to "Page Layout Template"), then replace <tmpl_var dragger.icon> with this: | 03:22 |
@preaction | <div id="td<tmpl_var id>_handle" class="dragable"><tmpl_var dragger.icon></div> | 03:22 |
@preaction | that is the change that you will probably have to revert when you upgrade to 7.6.21 | 03:22 |
@preaction | and if you really want to thank me, keep hanging out on the webgui.org forums and helping people, or buy some books from plainblack.com | 03:23 |
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rahul | Test your web site with different IE versions with a single tool http://techbuddha.blog.co.in/2009/04/19/test-your-web-site-with-different-ie-versions-with-a-single-tool/ | 03:32 |
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dhelsten | preaction: I made the changes 1 for each column. Works like a charm. I'll hang out more. I used to help people on the forums a couple years ago. It feels like there are fewer newbies now which is too bad. | 03:55 |
@preaction | i dunno, we've been having some new people, but imho our install is too difficult and people don't read the instructions | 03:56 |
@preaction | the instructions are easy to follow, but nobody reads them | 03:56 |
dhelsten | The install isn't hard. I'm created a company site a few years ago and enjoyed using WebGUI. I'm creating one for a nonprofit now and actually was exploring both drupal and wordpress. Frankly, I would have gone with workpress in a heartbeat if it had groups and permissions. | 04:03 |
dhelsten | Personally, having a starting site that looks great out of the box is a big selling point for me as it saves me a lot of time. | 04:03 |
dhelsten | Also, they hide a lot of the assets. It took a while for me to get used to all of the relatively unsorted content in the asset manager. I'm sure there are some less sophisticated users like myself that look at the import directory of the asset manager, are overwhelmed and head for the hills. | 04:05 |
dhelsten | Anyway, I'm back to WebGUI because it is so customizable and quite powerful. I just wish more people recognized that and would pitch in. My two cents. I'm done for the day. Thanks for all your help. | 04:08 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10408 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Survey new number type, if slider constraints are left blank, no constraints are applied. | 05:56 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10409 /WebGUI/ (14 files in 11 dirs): added: ThingyRecord allows you to sell records in a Thing (like a classified ad) | 05:56 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): missed some files | 05:56 |
@preaction | that's right CIA, about time | 06:04 |
Kegaro | hello all. | 06:19 |
Kegaro | what a -great- day. | 06:21 |
Kegaro | I got to go out, sans children, for my wedding anniversary. | 06:22 |
Kegaro | and I get to go out tomorrow, too!!! | 06:22 |
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@preaction | nice | 06:22 |
Kegaro | I'm learning about debugging memory problems on linux now. | 06:24 |
Kegaro | http - mod perl crashed my box sometime today. | 06:24 |
Kegaro | it had sucked over 33% of my ram. | 06:25 |
Kegaro | the processes themselves were defunct. | 06:26 |
@preaction | perhaps your maxchilds is set too high for that system? | 06:28 |
@preaction | there is a lot of information on performance-tuning apache, but much of it just plain sucks | 06:29 |
Kegaro | I'm not sure most of it is written in english. | 06:29 |
@preaction | rule of thumb: | 06:29 |
@preaction | take the amount of memory you have available when apache is stopped | 06:29 |
Kegaro | you have to be a hard-core C programmer with YEARS of experance to understand it. | 06:30 |
@preaction | find the average amount of memory each mod_perl process uses | 06:30 |
@preaction | (let's say 500 free, and 100m average each), divide the two, and allow at least 250M free | 06:31 |
@preaction | so i would set MaxClients to 2 for my example | 06:31 |
@preaction | MaxClients is located in /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf btw | 06:32 |
Kegaro | cool. | 06:36 |
Kegaro | that seems to have helped. | 06:38 |
Kegaro | thanks preaction! | 06:38 |
@preaction | you can use "ab" to test under load | 06:38 |
@preaction | or "siege" works quite nice, but it's a little more difficult to use | 06:39 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10411 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed: #10109: Matrix 2.0 - Updates to product listing by maintainer account require admin approval | 20:12 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10412 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed: #10109: Matrix 2.0 - Updates to product listing by maintainer account require admin approval | 20:27 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10413 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Minor change to Survey number type. Fixed duck type addition/concat confusion, and defaulted answer to empty string. | 05:40 |
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+perlDreamer | Yay! WebGUI is in Debian | 17:53 |
+Radix_ | it is? | 17:58 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 17:58 |
+Radix_ | debian 5? | 17:58 |
+perlDreamer | apparently, it is in something called "Sid" | 17:58 |
+Radix_ | ahh k.. sid is unstable now I think | 18:00 |
+Radix_ | but from unstable it moves to testing then into a real release further down the track | 18:01 |
LTR_bob | I thought it went into Debian last year? There was a presentation at the WUC!? | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | work had begun on that, but we missed a key deadline | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | so you could use a foreign repository to get it, but it wasn't in the mainline distribution until today/yesterday | 18:02 |
+Radix_ | yup, it's in sid | 18:03 |
+Radix_ | cool.. might give it a try | 18:03 |
+Radix_ | webgui - Content management platform to maintain complex web sites | 18:04 |
+perlDreamer | pretty good description | 18:04 |
+perlDreamer | although you can also do simple websites | 18:04 |
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+Radix_ | haha.. lotsa dependencies | 18:05 |
+perlDreamer | should be. A whole raft of perl modules | 18:06 |
+Radix_ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2e1c7a99 | 18:07 |
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+Radix_ | that's on a pretty newly installed debian5 machine ;) | 18:08 |
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+perlDreamer | seems pretty accurate | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | that's close to the size of the WRE | 18:09 |
+Radix_ | I'll leave it installing overnight and have a play with it tomorrow.. off to bed now :) | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | good night, Radix_ | 18:11 |
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SDuensin | It made it to Debian? Sweet! | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | hm, how bad could it be if Oracle buys MySQL? | 19:47 |
@preaction | they bought Sun, which I assume will be maintaining operational autonomy | 19:48 |
@preaction | but possibly it could be bad, no reason why it should though | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | aside from Oracle buying the most popular open source database (that we use) | 19:48 |
* perlDreamer is just doomsaying and rumormongering | 19:49 | |
@preaction | doomsaying baad! | 19:49 |
@Haarg | they'll probably work to make an easier migration path from mysql to oracle, but we don't really need anything for mysql other than bug fixes | 19:49 |
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+perlDreamer | I was thinking about the stuck 007 workflows for sending mail | 20:47 |
@preaction | i don't think he has anything to do with it | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | if it takes a long time to send email, the activity will return waiting | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | which will make spectre requeue it | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | but I don't think it uses the same object over again | 20:49 |
@preaction | oh, i guess he does if SPECTRE is involved | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | which means that it has to create a new object | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | which it won't do, since it is a singleton workflow | 20:49 |
* preaction giggles | 20:49 | |
@preaction | THAT WAS FUNNY, C'MON | 20:49 |
@preaction | wait, singleton workflows don't create new objects what? | 20:50 |
@preaction | the 007 workflow is a None object type anyway, there is no object | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | it has a Workflow Instance object | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | that kind of object | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I should start at the beginning and try to be less confusing? | 20:51 |
@preaction | oh yeah that, but WAITING just means "Run the same activity again, I'll handle the details of how to restore from my last state" | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | sure, but if it make a new instance object to do that, it won't ever do that | 20:51 |
@preaction | it doesn't create a new instance, it just reinstances the old instance | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | think perl object vs database data | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | I know the instance DATA persists | 20:52 |
@preaction | right. if a singleton workflow never allowed reinstantiation, it would never ever work with more than one activity | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | but it has to make a new object (with old data from the DB) | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | they don't ever allow reinstancing | 20:53 |
@Haarg | create is what refuses to make a new instance for singletons | 20:53 |
@Haarg | not new | 20:53 |
@preaction | they don't allow a second instance to exists | 20:53 |
@preaction | in the database | 20:53 |
@Haarg | you can use new to reinstance an existing workflowinstance | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | what does WebGUI use, though? | 20:53 |
@Haarg | but you can't use create to make another one with the same data | 20:53 |
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@Haarg | it uses new, it only does create when it starts the workflow running | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | well, so much for that idea then | 21:02 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: use the rowsPerPage option to getMatchingAssets as a limit clause when | 21:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: usePaginator is not used. | 21:41 |
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@preaction | has anyone thought of or done any work with turning Thingy Things and Records into Crud? | 23:50 |
@preaction | if not, I think I have a project that will require it | 23:50 |
@preaction | hm... must be monday | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: what is this Thingy fetish you have nowadays? | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | Cruddy Things, Sku'ed Things | 23:54 |
@preaction | 7.6 went stable a few months ago, it's only natural that people would get into the Thingy spirit | 23:55 |
@preaction | i like building tools for people who build applications | 23:55 |
@preaction | applications that make websites | 23:55 |
@preaction | Thingy is one of those applications. and if crudified would be far more awesome | 23:55 |
@preaction | well, Thingy is an app that builds apps that build websites | 23:55 |
@preaction | the Crud will be used to make a Report, so you'll be able to look at a Thing's data in multiple ways | 23:56 |
@preaction | and I want to make the report index itself somehow, so that it comes up in a site search (But that may be in WebGUI 8) | 23:57 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10415 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 00:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Finish export code. | 00:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Make the list of assets templatable, since the user can see it. | 00:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Beginnings of export collateral tests. | 00:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10416 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #10146: Thingy duplicate errors | 01:09 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10417 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #10146: Thingy duplicate errors | 01:24 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10418 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: exported keyword file tests | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, patspam | 02:28 |
+patspam | greets perlDreamer | 02:28 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, are you around/ | 03:07 |
+perlDreamer | and not busy? | 03:07 |
@Haarg | yeah | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | you have about 15 minutes of time/ | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | man, my shift key is slow tonight | 03:09 |
@Haarg | sure | 03:10 |
+perlDreamer | this is some debugged webgui.log output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6ab64afb | 03:10 |
+perlDreamer | I've been working on the workflow0000007 bug | 03:10 |
+perlDreamer | This is what i see in the log | 03:10 |
+perlDreamer | something calls Operation::Cron, which creates a workflow instance | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | then something else calls it again | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | the workflow instance clashes | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | then spectre picks it up and finishes it | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | that pattern repeats and repeats through the logs | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | any ideas why Operation::Cron is being called twice? | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | btw, line 295 is www_runCronJob, which it creates the instance | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | (with all the debug code, the line numbers shift) | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | the cron data on the site is fine (no duplicate entries) | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | the time spec on the cron job is fine | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | */5 for minutes | 03:14 |
@Haarg | hmm | 03:16 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: might I suggest running Apache through the Perl debugger to determine this? or perhaps using WebGUI::Test::getPage to run www_runCronjob? | 03:20 |
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+perlDreamer | I thought about trying those things, preaction, but it seems like Spectre (rather than WebGUI) is the problem | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | it's making multiple calls to start cron jobs | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | well, it looks like that | 03:21 |
@preaction | run spectre through perl -d then? | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | it's a live site | 03:23 |
+perlDreamer | I can't take it down like that | 03:23 |
+perlDreamer | maybe some spectre --debug is called for | 03:23 |
@preaction | but it would just be spectre running through -d, no big deal | 03:24 |
+perlDreamer | won't the debugger cause spectre to grind to a halt? | 03:24 |
+perlDreamer | for single stepping and the like/ | 03:24 |
@preaction | yes, but it's just spectre | 03:24 |
@preaction | i mean, tell the users what you're doing, but it's not vital to 90% of the operations of the site | 03:25 |
* perlDreamer gets called for dinner | 03:28 | |
+perlDreamer | bbl | 03:28 |
daviddelikat | I just upgraded to wre 9.0 and I'm getting this error from mysql http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4ca064dc | 03:30 |
@Haarg | i don't see any errors | 03:31 |
daviddelikat | wait thats not right... | 03:31 |
daviddelikat | ok, now look. | 03:31 |
daviddelikat | its tryiung to load plugin.frm... | 03:32 |
daviddelikat | which dose not exist. | 03:32 |
@preaction | uh.. you realize that 0.9.0 has a problem, and you want 0.9.2 right? | 03:32 |
daviddelikat | before creating it as suggestd I wanted to see if any body knew what it was for | 03:32 |
daviddelikat | I've got 9.1 so I need toi get the next one... | 03:33 |
daviddelikat | than ks | 03:33 |
daviddelikat | theres no 9.2 on sorceforge... | 03:34 |
daviddelikat | preaction, where can I gt 0.9.2? | 03:36 |
@preaction | okay, maybe 0.9.2 isn't out yet | 03:37 |
@preaction | 0.9.1 should be fine though | 03:37 |
@preaction | there's an advisory about 0.9.0, it was pulled because the mysql doesn't work correctly | 03:38 |
daviddelikat | do you know which version goes with Centos 5? I am supposing its RedHat 5 | 03:39 |
@preaction | probably, but i don't know | 03:39 |
daviddelikat | well, I'll try it, it may be the problem... | 03:39 |
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+Radix-wrk | So when are we adding oracle support to webgui? :) | 03:46 |
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dhelsten | I need to get the Calendar List View working. It doesn't seem to respect permissions for each event, i.e. everyone sees all events even if restricted to a group. The other Month, Week, Day views work fine. Anythoughts on why List View would be different? The templates all seem to use the same variables. | 04:02 |
@preaction | because the code is wrong | 04:06 |
@preaction | you can fix it in the template temporarily though. do a <tmpl_if eventCanView> | 04:06 |
dhelsten | Thanks. I'll try it out. I assume I should place it right before the event in the loop. | 04:07 |
@preaction | right | 04:11 |
dhelsten | hmm...nothing appears after <tmpl_if eventCanView> ie. it is always false. In the help page under event common template variables I don't see a canView variable (I understand that for the calendar, the word event is preappended.) Could it be that the eventCanView variable doesn't exist? | 04:22 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps not in that template? | 04:22 |
dhelsten | perhaps I should use one of the other month, week, day templates and just style it as a list. I'm guessing that would limit me to showing 1 month at a time? | 04:24 |
@preaction | yes | 04:24 |
@preaction | you could theoretically add the canView check to the code yourself | 04:24 |
dhelsten | i.e. look for it in the other templates and insert it where it looks like it should go in the list templates. | 04:25 |
dhelsten | Is this feasible? | 04:26 |
* perlDreamer is thinking that preaction is suggesting that it be done in perl code | 04:26 | |
+perlDreamer | not HTML::Template code | 04:26 |
@preaction | yes, perl code | 04:26 |
dhelsten | understood | 04:26 |
dhelsten | if it is fairly straightforward, I can use pattern recognition and figure it out. | 04:26 |
dhelsten | Who knows I could learn a touch of perl too! | 04:27 |
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dhelsten | I actually bought the Perl black book a few years ago when I thought I might really get into this. | 04:28 |
dhelsten | Opened it once.... | 04:28 |
dhelsten | Is everything in the EventsCalendar.pm or are there separate files? | 04:30 |
@preaction | EventsCalendar.pm is the old calendar | 04:32 |
@preaction | you want lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm sub viewList | 04:32 |
@preaction | look at viewDay for "$event->canView" and do that same thing in viewList | 04:32 |
@preaction | should be something like "for my $event ( @events ) { \n next unless $event->canView; ..." | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm | 04:35 |
dhelsten | I'm looking at it now | 04:35 |
dhelsten | for my $event (@events) { | 04:45 |
dhelsten | next EVENT unless $event->canView(); <---This is the code it looks like I should add to ListView | 04:45 |
+perlDreamer | EVENT: for my $event (@events) { | 04:46 |
+perlDreamer | next EVENT unless $event->canView(); | 04:46 |
+perlDreamer | the label is important | 04:46 |
+perlDreamer | EVENT: | 04:46 |
dhelsten | EVENT: | 04:47 |
dhelsten | Ok I added EVENT: | 04:47 |
dhelsten | before the 'for' statement | 04:48 |
dhelsten | anything else? | 04:48 |
dhelsten | both day view and list view are then followed with a "my (......." different in each case | 04:49 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction, I found it | 04:53 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like a DNS issue | 04:53 |
dhelsten | I did it. It worked. Thanks guys. This was really exciting to me. My heart was beating fast as I restarted the server and logged out! | 04:56 |
@preaction | dhelsten: copy those lines of code to the bug report you made, and include the name you want the bugfix attributed to | 05:04 |
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dhelsten | I already added it. I wrote the name of the file, the subroutine, the line number and the fix. Attributed to myself I guess. | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | so, dhelsten? | 05:09 |
+perlDreamer | or D____ Helsten? | 05:09 |
+perlDreamer | or a company name added in? | 05:09 |
dhelsten | dhelsten is fine. | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | ah, the budding perl programmer is too modest | 05:10 |
dhelsten | :) | 05:10 |
dhelsten | Is there a standard way to mark Old code, New code, modified code, inserted code, etc? | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | usually, we use a program called diff to do that | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | the simple convention is - before Old code, and + before New code | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | inserted code gets a +, too | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | and modified code is remove old, and insert new | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | it's not a DNS problem | 05:21 |
+perlDreamer | something bad is happening inside of spectre | 05:21 |
+perlDreamer | like reference stomping, or something | 05:21 |
dhelsten | Thanks. I'll leave my comment on the bug report as is. I'm sure they'll figure it out. | 05:21 |
+perlDreamer | those bug fixers are pretty sharp | 05:21 |
daviddelikat | yeah! I made it to wre 0.9.1!!! | 05:23 |
daviddelikat | ~never~ move the wre directory while the database is still running... | 05:24 |
+perlDreamer | um, no | 05:24 |
+perlDreamer | since the wre binaries are in there, too | 05:24 |
+Radix-wrk | heh | 05:24 |
+perlDreamer | and the dynamically loaded libraries | 05:24 |
daviddelikat | t real problem is the pipe/socket which is in there... | 05:25 |
daviddelikat | in fact it is probably never a good idea to move or copy the wre directory | 05:26 |
daviddelikat | I'm not sure how the magic works with file/sockets but whatever it does having two identical sockets seems to be bad. | 05:27 |
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dionak | anyone there? | 06:01 |
dionak | ok, catch up with everyone tomorrow | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 06:03 |
dionak | know any thing about Thingy? i'm trying to retrieve a file upload | 06:04 |
dionak | via a sql report | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | I _think_ it's all done via storageObjects | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | which the SQL Report won't like | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | yup, that's how it's done | 06:06 |
+perlDreamer | which means it'll require either javascript, or custom macros to pull the files out, outside of the Thingy | 06:06 |
dionak | i'm writing a macro to do it but it's not liking it. no record in the asset table which i find odd | 06:06 |
@preaction | it's not an asset, it's a storage location | 06:06 |
dionak | oh | 06:07 |
@preaction | in 7.6.x there's a StorageUrl macro | 06:07 |
dionak | ah | 06:07 |
dionak | ok, that makes sense. i could upgrade the site. | 06:07 |
@preaction | which will work perfect for Thingy, since it should only allow you one file/image per storage location | 06:07 |
@preaction | or just grab that one macro from 7.6.x | 06:07 |
@preaction | it doesn't depend on anything really | 06:07 |
dionak | oh, cool. i'll try that. thanks | 06:07 |
dionak | so that would work with 7.5? | 06:08 |
@preaction | it should | 06:08 |
dionak | great. i'll try it | 06:08 |
+perlDreamer | why not use Thingy's built-in search/lister? | 06:08 |
@preaction | because there should be more ways of looking at the data | 06:09 |
dionak | yes, agreed with preaction. I've got a sql report with a custom template already in place | 06:09 |
dionak | it gives the layout and functionality that i need | 06:09 |
dionak | works like a charm. thanks so much guys! | 06:14 |
dionak | ok, gnite | 06:18 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10419 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.4/root_import_survey_default-survey-edit.wgpkg: Removed flicker from Survey warnings div on page load | 06:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10420 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added internationalized labels to Survey "Year Month" question type | 06:24 |
* perlDreamer sniffs and sheds a tear | 06:24 | |
+perlDreamer | more i18n | 06:24 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, you're good people | 06:24 |
+patspam | hehe | 06:24 |
+Radix-wrk | So I wonder when mysql is going to be renamed oracle light | 06:25 |
* perlDreamer promised his wife that there'd be no more Oracle/MySQL doomsaying today | 06:27 | |
+perlDreamer | but since it's tomorrow in Australia... | 06:27 |
* perlDreamer suggests we look into PostgreSQL | 06:27 | |
+perlDreamer | originally, it was dropped because of bad windows support | 06:27 |
+perlDreamer | but nowadays, we don't support windows | 06:27 |
+perlDreamer | so who cares? | 06:27 |
+Radix-wrk | will be interesting to see what happens.. though as mysql has been open source surely there will be a fork | 06:30 |
+Radix-wrk | I've got a mate who works on mysql, so will be keeping track of the changes that oracle makes and let u guys know | 06:32 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10421 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Improved Survey "Year Month" validation | 06:51 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10422 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 9 dirs): | 10:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Added Survey back button, with option to turn it on/off, tests, and i18n | 10:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Noticed that some Survey tests are broken, will fix tomorrow | 10:24 |
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SquOnk | Hi | 15:39 |
SquOnk | webgui 7.5.40 is officially in Debian Sid | 15:40 |
+BartJol | hi! | 15:40 |
SquOnk | ...as of yesterday | 15:40 |
+BartJol | we heard | 15:40 |
SquOnk | I've begun the upgrade to 7.6.x | 15:40 |
+BartJol | and are all enthousiastic about it | 15:40 |
SquOnk | ...it will be easier to get upgrades in now. | 15:40 |
+BartJol | thanks! | 15:40 |
SquOnk | A fellow developer is getting YUI 2.6 into Sid today or tomorrow, therefore allowing the uploads of my 7.6 packages | 15:40 |
+Radix_ | SquOnk: installed it last night.. haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but looks good :) | 15:41 |
+BartJol | cool | 15:41 |
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+crythias | Apache2::Request isn't in cpan ... | 17:29 |
+crythias | *sniff* | 17:29 |
SquOnk | crythias: It comes with mod_perl | 17:37 |
+crythias | oh? | 17:37 |
+crythias | but not apparently installed in the mod_perl that comes with SuSE 11.1 | 17:37 |
+crythias | I had to use my trick | 17:38 |
SquOnk | crythias: Ah, well. I do aptitude install libapache2-mod-perl2 and that's it | 17:38 |
SquOnk | Oh sorry, I lied | 17:38 |
+crythias | I'm also installing the March 13 libapreq2 | 17:38 |
SquOnk | I have to do aptitude install libapache2-request-perl | 17:39 |
SquOnk | It doesn't come with mod_perl2, my bad | 17:39 |
+crythias | grr. now that I could have yast searched for | 17:39 |
+crythias | no worries, though | 17:39 |
+crythias | I'm not mad at you, just the naming conventions. | 17:39 |
+crythias | also, can I just say that installing an operating system's worth of perl modules to get WebGUI up and running is ... well, a bit much? | 17:40 |
SquOnk | crythias: Ahm, you should try Debian instead. There's a WebGUI package for Debian (7.5.40) | 17:41 |
SquOnk | ...with 7.6 Real Soon Now (tm) | 17:41 |
+crythias | shh :) Don't tell me the obvious. | 17:42 |
+crythias | besides, I'm quite happy knowing the tricks to get it up and running for SuSE | 17:42 |
+crythias | I'm now installing from source on SuSE11 64 bit | 17:43 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10423 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #10158: Matrix 2.0 - Screenshots rendering poorly | 19:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10424 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #10158: Matrix 2.0 - Screenshots rendering poorly | 20:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10425 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.20-7.6.21.pl: matrix upgrade script fix | 20:43 |
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zylopfa_ | Does anyone know how to put a default value of "" in a selectbox form field in webgui? | 20:45 |
zylopfa_ | my $categories = $self->session->db->buildHashRef('select id, caption from TFT_categories order by caption'); | 20:45 |
zylopfa_ | is the options has | 20:45 |
zylopfa_ | but i need a default value of "" and caption "please select a category" | 20:45 |
@preaction | zylopfa_: make a %categories Tie::IxHash, put your "" => "Please Select" first, then do $db->buildHash(...) | 20:48 |
zylopfa_ | thanks a lot preaction ! | 20:49 |
zylopfa_ | The IxHash makes hashes have the correct sorting right? | 20:50 |
zylopfa_ | like the elements retain their place | 20:50 |
@Haarg | with IxHash it will retain the order they were added in | 20:53 |
zylopfa_ | Thanks | 20:54 |
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steve_ | blarge | 23:37 |
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carogray1 | streaming video on PlainBlack Servers? | 00:35 |
carogray1 | can one do it if hosted on PB? | 00:35 |
carogray1 | Is it simply as straightforward as uploading a file and linking to it, or is it more complicated? | 00:35 |
daviddelikat | if you are streaming then you nead a streaming server as well | 00:36 |
daviddelikat | streaming is not the same as downloading | 00:36 |
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carogray1 | yah - I know.. | 00:49 |
carogray1 | we want to stream...is there a streaming server that allows you to stream 90 minutes of video? I believe YouTube has a 10 minute limit | 00:49 |
carogray1 | I am assuming PB doesn't offer a streaming server or the servers we get from PB do not provide streaming | 00:50 |
daviddelikat | probably not, most hosting services wont | 00:52 |
daviddelikat | you could search google for a host that does provide it | 00:52 |
carogray1 | k- ta. | 00:52 |
daviddelikat | or lease your own server | 00:52 |
carogray1 | from? | 00:52 |
carogray1 | google it? | 00:53 |
daviddelikat | yeah, there are lots of companies that lease raw servers | 00:53 |
daviddelikat | they provide some backup services, but nothing else. | 00:53 |
daviddelikat | you get remote console access and bandwidth. | 00:54 |
carogray1 | ok will look into it further this is what I thought, but couldn't find any basic info on PB site... | 00:54 |
carogray1 | thanks | 00:54 |
daviddelikat | np | 00:54 |
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@preaction | carogray1: there are other services, try Viddler maybe? | 01:45 |
@preaction | or blip.tv | 01:46 |
@preaction | viddler has a 500mb file size limit, with no limit on time. | 01:47 |
@preaction | so if you can encode it below 500mb, they'll take whatever length | 01:47 |
@preaction | carogray1: oh, i'm sorry, you're PB-hosted. you can ask support about uploading that file to your web host, and if you make it into a FLV yourself, you can stream it from your site no problem. | 01:49 |
@preaction | but really, external, free services are the way to go. we might charge for the extra disk space used | 01:49 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, guys | 02:26 |
@preaction | hey colin | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | it is much nicer to be online, instead of in the attic | 02:28 |
@preaction | i can imagine. the attic seems all musty and humid | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | hot | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | like 20 degrees above ambient | 02:30 |
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Mech422 | hey pd :-) | 02:44 |
Mech422 | why were you in the attic ? | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | I am the resident electrician for the perlDreamer home | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | there are 2 electrical projects which need to be done before the attic can be insulated | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | so I'm doing them now | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | everyone says that after it's insulated, it's much harder to move around | 02:54 |
Mech422 | I would imagine - it would probably be even hotter | 02:57 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10426 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: Fixing my bad POD. | 02:59 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, we realized that we were overdue for insulation after building the garage. | 03:01 |
+perlDreamer | It's fully insulated, and during our early summer, it's easily 5 degrees cooler than the rest of the house. | 03:01 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: I cant understand that about the west coast - everything is single pane windows and no/little insulation... | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | The house is from 1965. | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | with many recent updates | 03:09 |
Mech422 | growing up in New England (NH) and living in Arizona, you sorta think of that stuff as manditory | 03:09 |
Mech422 | yeah - the house ere is same vintage - and no insulation either... | 03:10 |
@preaction | i live in wisconsin. my house has single-pane windows and no insulation. but it was built in 1920 | 03:10 |
Mech422 | heh - the windows bug me more then the insulation - I never realized how LOUD the world is... | 03:10 |
@preaction | eh, i just want to not spend $350 to heat 1200 sq. feet each month during the winter | 03:11 |
Mech422 | yeah - I can imagine up there that would be a big concern... | 03:11 |
@preaction | or about the same amount to cool this place in summer. the upper here gets ungodly hot around 7pm | 03:12 |
Mech422 | NH was hell for heating bill | 03:12 |
Mech422 | its not too bad temp wise here except around 4am when its dam cold | 03:13 |
Mech422 | or in august when its just dam hot everywhere :-P | 03:13 |
Mech422 | another weird thin is seeing all the asbestos signs everywhere... | 03:14 |
Mech422 | I sorta thought all that stuff got removed years ago | 03:14 |
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Mech422 | anyway, watching doing pd ? running new circuits ? | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | today, relocating switches | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | during a remodel, we moved several doorways, leaving switches in awkward locations | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | so they're getting moved now, too | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | and then, splitting 1 big circuit into two smaller circuits | 03:19 |
Mech422 | moving a swithc I could do - running new circuits always scared me.. | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | think of it this way | 03:21 |
Mech422 | too much 'fat finger' potential in the panel... | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | via code, you alter the path of electrons | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | this is just coding with a really bad language | 03:21 |
Mech422 | lo | 03:22 |
Mech422 | lol | 03:22 |
* perlDreamer always wears thick leather gloves when near the panel | 03:22 | |
+perlDreamer | brb | 03:22 |
@preaction | uh... you work on the panel with the power on? | 03:24 |
@preaction | oh, capacitors | 03:24 |
+perlDreamer | sure, why not? | 03:27 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, aside from that whole electrocution thing | 03:28 |
Mech422 | so um - got some life insurance here... | 03:28 |
Mech422 | can give ya a really good rate too | 03:29 |
+perlDreamer | dinner time! | 03:34 |
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+perlDreamer | Ya bunch of square-toed tank town boobs! | 04:13 |
+perlDreamer | anyone here familiar with exporting assets as HTML? | 04:29 |
@preaction | kinda, why? | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | after exporting, if I tar up the export directory, and put it into a DocumentRoot dir for apache, I should be able to see everything that exported? | 04:30 |
@preaction | that is the idea, yes | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | then let's see if I'm really done with the Story Manager, then | 04:31 |
@preaction | provided you've set up your extras folder accordingly | 04:31 |
@preaction | i think that's part of the export procedure, is setting the extras URL or something | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'll watch for that | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | right after I mow the lawns | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | read Harry Potter to the kids | 04:32 |
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+perlDreamer | floss their teeth | 04:32 |
+perlDreamer | sigh | 04:32 |
deafferret | kids' teeth just fall out anyway :p | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | grass grows, too... | 04:38 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10427 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tag cloud urls in export mode | 04:44 |
+patspam | idea of the day... | 05:15 |
+patspam | an option in the template edit screen to show a graphical diff of the template against any other template of that namespace | 05:16 |
+patspam | that would make it easier for designers to track changes between their copied templates and the defaults after wg updates | 05:16 |
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@preaction | patspam: sounds nice | 05:34 |
@preaction | i was thinking along those same lines, but for previous versions of that template | 05:34 |
@preaction | especially when in version tags | 05:34 |
@preaction | some way to compare changes in assets. we don't currently have a good way to do that | 05:34 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam++ | 06:18 |
+perlDreamer | except that I think we rollup versions on upgrades | 06:18 |
@preaction | we should make templates html:tidy themselves | 06:25 |
@preaction | easier to see diffs | 06:25 |
+patspam | that'd be awesome | 06:25 |
+perlDreamer | would users be unhappy about having their formatting removed? | 06:26 |
nuba | most certainly | 06:27 |
+perlDreamer | users and nuba, that is | 06:27 |
@preaction | have it be an option. unlike the syntax checking | 06:27 |
@preaction | but we're going to also have a "minifier" that will not be optional, we'll just save both the minned and the original | 06:27 |
+perlDreamer | what does the minifier do? | 06:29 |
@preaction | removes extra spaces and useless stuff to make it smaller | 06:29 |
@preaction | for faster transmission | 06:30 |
+patspam | and improved yslow score | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | ah, kind of like yui/build/component/component-min.js | 06:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10428 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 06:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Updated Survey Edit validation warnings to use more standardized | 06:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: wgWarnings CSS class | 06:43 |
+patspam | template diff RFE submitted: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10237 | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | could we use the same differ that SVN::Web does? | 06:49 |
+perlDreamer | it formats diffs as HTML | 06:49 |
+patspam | I wonder if SVN::Web uses SVN::Notify::HTML::ColorDiff? | 06:51 |
+patspam | that's written by the same guy who wrote Text::Diff::HTML | 06:51 |
CIA-38 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan survey * r7c0b7c3 / lib/WGDev/Command/Survey.pm : Added new option to Survey command to set defaults on YesNo questions - http://bit.ly/de21r | 07:07 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10429 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add feed support to StoryTopic. | 08:11 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10430 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): | 08:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Survey bug fixes: Verbatim responses now properly recorded | 08:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Added useText option to responseValuesByVariableName so that it can be | 08:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: used for both branch expressions and [[var]] text substitution correctly | 08:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Added extra verbatim handling to [[var]] text substitution | 08:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: All survey test now pass, except for one involving True/False | 08:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: multi-chocie bundle, soon to be fixed by updating bundle | 08:25 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10431 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 10:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Added Survey meta-targets NEXT_SECTION and END_SURVEY to allow for more | 10:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: convenient jumping | 10:29 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Improved processGotoExpression tests | 10:29 |
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daviddelikat | perlDreamer: are you working on bug 10189 http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189? | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | I have done some work into it, yes. | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | but only as I have time | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | If you want it, it's all yours :) | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | did the last little bit that I posted make sense? | 18:58 |
daviddelikat | I cant say that I ~want~ it | 18:58 |
daviddelikat | I would appretiate any input you might have about it. | 18:58 |
daviddelikat | JT asked me to work on it... | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | well, for 1 site that I looked at with this issue | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | they had not configured Apache correctly | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | so that if you looked at site.com, you got the site | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | but if you looked at site.com:8081 (mod_perl port, which spectre uses) | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | it returned ANOTHER site | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | so when spectre started, it was loading cron data for two different sites into 1 site | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | then spectre would start to process the duplicate data | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | and you would get lots of singletonWorkflow clashes | 19:00 |
+perlDreamer | while this is not 10189 directly, I think it is related | 19:01 |
daviddelikat | thanks | 19:01 |
daviddelikat | thats a lot to think about..... | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | the weird thing about 10189 is the empty currentActivityId entry in the db | 19:02 |
* perlDreamer can't figure out how to make that happen | 19:03 | |
daviddelikat | perhaps it is empty because of another failure | 19:03 |
daviddelikat | for instance an id on one of the dup'd rows that matches in the ~other~ site... | 19:03 |
daviddelikat | I'll be reading code.... | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | On that site that I mentioned, they accidently didn't set up log file rotation | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | so I was able to review 1 month's worth of log | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | no logged errors | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | (regarding sendingQueuedEmail messages) | 19:04 |
daviddelikat | yeah but there are lots of things that happen in WG that don't get logged. | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | true | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | which is a shame | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | I have some more spectre diagnostics to commit to the 7.7 branch | 19:05 |
daviddelikat | can we make a test to see that the two ports render the same site? | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | we can make a test to see if the JSON data returned is the same as the site that was requested | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | but due to WebGUI's configurability for sitenames, it might be challenging to write | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | it would take some thinking | 19:07 |
daviddelikat | yeah sounds like it | 19:08 |
daviddelikat | what is supposed to be at the 8081 port? | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | isn't that the mod_perl port for the WRE? | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | so port 80 goes through mod_proxy | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | and mod_perl goes through another one? | 19:10 |
daviddelikat | idk | 19:10 |
@Haarg | yes | 19:10 |
daviddelikat | its only visible from localhost | 19:11 |
daviddelikat | that is why i did not see anything | 19:11 |
daviddelikat | very messy in 'links' | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | time for attic crawling | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I'm going to try to merge back into 7.7 before the release tomorrow | 19:14 |
ckotil | I'm prepping for an upgrade from 7.5.32 | 19:25 |
ckotil | should I go for 7.6.19 ? | 19:25 |
ckotil | ill give 7.6.20 a go on the dev server | 19:30 |
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ckotil | doh. fails when adding sortOrder row. for 7.5.40. bc it already exists in my instance. since i hacked it in there | 19:42 |
ckotil | err column. i guess i can remove sortOder from my table before performing the upgrade | 19:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10432 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.21 release | 19:44 |
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ckotil | upgrade to 7.5.40 worked just fine. but when i tried to go to 7.6.20 it fails looking for Clone.pm | 20:07 |
ckotil | ah, cpan had Clone.pm | 20:12 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10433 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.21-stable: Release 7.6.21-stable | 20:13 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10434 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.22 dev | 20:27 |
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Mech422 | blaglgle | 21:47 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: so how goes operation attic ? | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | phase two is done, Mech422 | 22:04 |
ckotil | hrm, upgrade is failing at 7.5.40-7.6.10. Upgrading WebGUI Account System... Can't call method "getAllUsers" on an undefined value at upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl line 854. | 22:06 |
+perlDreamer | ckotil, can you restore to 7.5.40? | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | I think what you've found is a legit bug | 22:16 |
ckotil | certainly | 22:16 |
ckotil | i think it might have to do with the friend grouping | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | that is a message with a groupId that looks like it's been deleted | 22:16 |
+perlDreamer | (deleted from the group table) | 22:16 |
ckotil | by looking at the upgrade script, the step right above where it fails does not get printed to STDOUT | 22:17 |
ckotil | its the fixFriendsGruops | 22:17 |
ckotil | well that might might not be what's failing. there isn't a print statement confirming success or fail | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's trying to call getAllUsers on a group that doesn't exist | 22:19 |
+perlDreamer | inside upgradeAccountSystem | 22:20 |
ckotil | ah right. | 22:20 |
* perlDreamer is guessing that a message was sent to a group, then that group was deleted | 22:20 | |
+perlDreamer | deleting the group doesn't clean up the inbox | 22:21 |
+perlDreamer | thus leaving a potential hole | 22:21 |
* perlDreamer goes running | 22:21 | |
+perlDreamer | Given that I spent 2 hours in the attic, I'm not sure why I'm doing this | 22:21 |
ckotil | ok. can we query the db to see what inboxes exist that od not have a corresponding group (or user) | 22:22 |
ckotil | hrm, cant find any inboxes where the groupId is null or missing | 22:25 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: and what was phase 2 ? the switch and circuit split ? | 22:31 |
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Mech422 | Hmm - I turned on 'password recovery' in the admin->settings->authentication panel - should it show a "I forgot my password" link somewhere now ? | 22:43 |
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+perlDreamer | phase2 was finish demolition, and pulling wires to all locations | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | phase 3 is connecting wires to fixtures and switches and testing | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | phase 4 is finishing fixtures | 00:06 |
Mech422 | ahh - so if my lights go out tommorrow, I know why ? :-) | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | yes :) | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | I blew the entire Western grid | 00:07 |
Mech422 | LOL | 00:10 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10435 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): administer.js now has a much improved handling of the slider algorithm, plus some refactored code. Users will not notice anything. | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/ZHLk6RrnqL4/article.pl | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | apparently electricity isn't the only problem | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | worse, you could lose your bits! | 01:21 |
Mech422 | oh shit - thats just down the street from here | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | when an asset is exported, and it has collateral, do you think the collateral should go into the asset's parent's folder (in parallel with the asset), or into a private folder just for the asset? | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | think on that, everyone, then I'll check back after phase 3 | 01:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10436 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Removed commented code | 01:31 |
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+perlDreamer | up to phase 2.99 | 03:48 |
+perlDreamer | I seem to developed an allergy to old insulation and gypsum dust | 03:48 |
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@preaction | not surprising | 04:06 |
+perlDreamer | phase 3 is complete, time to move on to phase 4 | 04:18 |
@preaction | ??? | 04:19 |
@preaction | then phase 5: Profit! | 04:19 |
+Radix-wrk | I think phase 5 was: moan over the cost of all this | 04:20 |
Mech422 | umm - stupid question - but if I enabled 'password recovery' - is there supposed to be a password recovery link some where ? | 04:22 |
Mech422 | or do you have to do the login-fail-error page thing to get to it ? | 04:22 |
@preaction | Mech422: does it show up when you fail to login? | 04:22 |
+Radix-wrk | only if it's in the page layout.. otherwise yeah.. when you fail | 04:23 |
Mech422 | I just want to put a link to it in on the front page | 04:23 |
@preaction | i believe you want the ^LoginBox macro then | 04:25 |
@preaction | check how Style 03 does it | 04:25 |
Mech422 | yeah - I used that but it didn't have a 'I forgot my password' type thing - so Iwanted to add it | 04:25 |
Mech422 | along with that... | 04:25 |
Mech422 | I'd like to make a login 'box' that end users can move around via the interface | 04:26 |
+Radix-wrk | it's just a link to ?op=auth;method=recoverPassword | 04:26 |
@preaction | so a snippet inside of a page layout? | 04:26 |
+Radix-wrk | So add it wherever you like on your page | 04:26 |
Mech422 | am I correct in assuming that should be a Wobject ? and is there a need for Assets any more or have WObject bassically replaced them ? | 04:26 |
Mech422 | Radix-wrk: thats what I need :-) | 04:26 |
@preaction | Mech422: you can make a snippet that contains the form and then use Page Layouts to move it around | 04:27 |
Mech422 | Radix-wrk: thanks :-) | 04:27 |
+Radix-wrk | np | 04:27 |
@preaction | there is an article in the wiki about the differences between Asset and Wobject, but in short: | 04:27 |
@preaction | wobject does more for you, asset allows you more flexibility | 04:27 |
Mech422 | preaction: that seems a bit more difficult for the users though right? they can't drag-n-drog- etc with a layout based solution ? | 04:27 |
@preaction | asset, for example, doesn't use style templates | 04:27 |
@preaction | uh.. Page Layouts are all about drag-and-drop content | 04:27 |
@preaction | make it a "Package" they can deploy | 04:28 |
Mech422 | I created a page layout for this template- and its all html - I can't reposition stuff via the interface ? | 04:28 |
@preaction | one sec, ill show you what i mean | 04:28 |
Mech422 | thanks | 04:28 |
@preaction | hm... beta demo site is sloooowwwwwwwwww | 04:30 |
Mech422 | well say - using a macro... | 04:30 |
Mech422 | that requires the user to edit the template, move the macro etc etc | 04:31 |
@preaction | just wait and watch, i'll show you something fun | 04:31 |
Mech422 | as opposed to just 're-ordering' assets in ... ok | 04:31 |
@preaction | one very important thing about snippets, make sure that snippets with macros in them have their cache timeout set to 0 | 04:34 |
* preaction always forgets | 04:34 | |
@preaction | Mech422: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1240450115_515/home <- Admin : 123qwe | 04:35 |
@preaction | see on the far right in the main body? Turn admin on and move that snippet around | 04:35 |
+Radix-wrk | snippets are awesome | 04:35 |
+Radix-wrk | I have loads of nested snippets.. | 04:35 |
@preaction | also, look in the New Content menu, i've made it a "Package", which puts it in the Packages section of the new content menu | 04:35 |
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+Radix-wrk | whenever we do a software release we have to update about 10 different pages with the new version number, new download links, release notes, different versions, etc.. | 04:36 |
Mech422 | crashed konqueror ? | 04:36 |
Mech422 | firing up FF | 04:36 |
+Radix-wrk | so I've created a nested hierarchy of snippets that do it all for me.. I just change one small snippet with the version number and all of them update automagically | 04:36 |
Mech422 | ok - so I need to read more about snippets... | 04:40 |
Mech422 | I missed that that they were assets in their own right - I thought of them more as macros that just got used 'inside' assets.. | 04:40 |
@preaction | Mech422: feel free to export that package for your own use, or do whatever. also the ^L() macro in that snippet is how the Style 03 adds the "Forgot your password" link | 04:40 |
Mech422 | oh - maybe ^L() can take a parm or something to do it then - I'll look at the style 03 stuff | 04:42 |
@preaction | I think it's more likely the template | 04:43 |
+Radix-wrk | yeah.. you can use a param for the login box and supply your own style template | 04:44 |
Mech422 | thanks - this is exactly what I want to do | 04:45 |
+Radix-wrk | I use ^L("17","","5eyOp9cnS5UEfbc1lX7aCA"); on mine | 04:53 |
+Radix-wrk | I forget what the parameters are.. but it's documented somewhere I'm sure | 04:54 |
+Radix-wrk | last one is asset id of the style template.. I know that much | 04:54 |
@preaction | the Macro Guide available for $10 in the bazaar would probably help with what parameters are what | 04:59 |
Mech422 | there's actually a page I found in hte wiki that has a _loongg_ list of them... | 05:01 |
+Radix-wrk | it used to be in the inbuilt help :( | 05:03 |
Mech422 | btw - its world plone day today | 05:05 |
Mech422 | no-one showed up here yet, so we're going home :-P | 05:06 |
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+perlDreamer | world plone day? | 06:31 |
+perlDreamer | there's a day just for plone? | 06:31 |
+Radix-wrk | sounds like noone showed up | 06:45 |
+Radix-wrk | So when's world webgui day? | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | everyday is world webgui day | 07:20 |
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+SynQ | scan JT smith | 10:05 |
+SynQ | want to push 0.9.2 forward today | 10:05 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10437 /wrebuild/readme.txt: added prereqs for debian compile | 10:39 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10438 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Update from translation server | 10:54 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: martin * r10439 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ (TaxDriver/Generic.t TaxDriver Tax.t): More Tax tests | 14:00 |
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zylopfa | Does anyone know how to insert the value new() into a datetime field using setCollateral? | 14:53 |
zylopfa | It seems that it is inserting the litteral string "new()" instead | 14:53 |
zylopfa | $self->setCollateral("TFT_whereuheard","id",{heard=>$props{'heard'},date=>'now()',},0,0,""); | 14:53 |
zylopfa | i mean the litteral now() | 14:54 |
+bartjol | sorry zylopfa, can't help you right now | 14:57 |
+bartjol | too busy | 14:57 |
zylopfa | no problem i just use the datetime class from webgui to make a mysqldatetime and insert it like that | 14:57 |
zylopfa | its the same but its just webgui calculating the time instead of mysql | 14:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10440 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 14:59 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10441 /translations/SimplifiedChinese/ (182 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 16:11 |
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@plainhao | zylopfa, try this: $self->session->datetime->time() | 16:40 |
zylopfa | I got it already figure ;D but thanks a lot | 16:40 |
@plainhao | ok | 16:40 |
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topsub | hey guys | 17:06 |
topsub | i am running upgrade.pl and when its upgrading the database its trying to add columns that already exist and it dies. Its trying to go from 7.5.40 - 7.6.10. Any ideas how to get it to skip the databases changes if the columns already exist? | 17:07 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10442 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 17:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10443 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_AdSku.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server | 17:28 |
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zylopfa | Is there a default template variable for seeing if the user is logged in? | 17:35 |
zylopfa | I need something like this <tmpl_if user.IsVisitor> someting here </tmpl_if> | 17:35 |
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ckotil | topsub: heh, i had the same problem yesterday | 17:49 |
ckotil | since it was my dev instance i dropped the column before running the upgrade script | 17:49 |
ckotil | which worked | 17:49 |
ckotil | on the production , ill probably modify the table to be the same as what the upgrade script creates | 17:50 |
ckotil | but then after i fixed that problem , the upgrade script died at 'Upgrading WebGUI Account System... Can't call method "getAllUsers" on an undefined value at upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl line 854. | 17:51 |
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topsub | has anyone seen when you setup a new site and nothing shows up in the asset manager? | 18:21 |
topsub | like no asset are shown or anything | 18:22 |
@Haarg | no assets or the entire data table is gone? | 18:35 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10444 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): clean up remains of WSClient | 19:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10445 /WebGUI/www/extras/assetToolbar/assetToolbar.js: prevent tripping slow script warnings when viewing large folders | 19:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10446 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: enable workflow helper operation | 19:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10447 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/ (3 files): restore original user when running workflows | 19:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10448 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: log asset exports | 19:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10449 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ (TaxDriver/Generic.t Tax.t): fixing lib paths on some tests | 19:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10450 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (PayDriver.pm TaxDriver.pm): some POD fixes | 19:40 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10451 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix syntax and help issues | 19:40 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10453 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Survey slider answer updates, now update all the answers for max,min,step settings since only the first answers values are used anyways. | 22:40 |
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wgGuest88 | hi everybody | 00:09 |
@Haarg | greetings | 00:09 |
wgGuest88 | can i ask you a small question about wre install, or it may not be the rioght location for that | 00:09 |
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wgGuest88 | how would you explain when starting mod-perl service it says 500 error : can't connect to localhost:8081 connection refused | 00:11 |
wgGuest88 | this is just after having got the auto;ated setup, then site added | 00:12 |
wgGuest88 | i guess it is a foldewr priviledge related, but i have no clue actually | 00:12 |
wgGuest88 | any ideas? | 00:12 |
wgGuest88 | i checked the wiki, and no reference to that | 00:13 |
@Haarg | where are you getting that error? | 00:14 |
wgGuest88 | wre is 0.9.1 rhel5 package (on a mandriva install) | 00:14 |
wgGuest88 | i am getting thius error while clicking on the "restart" button for ;od_perl | 00:15 |
wgGuest88 | mod_perl | 00:15 |
wgGuest88 | if i try to make from cli: wget localhost:8081 on the host, i get failed:connection refused | 00:17 |
wgGuest88 | same with resolved ip: 127.0.0.1 | 00:17 |
@Haarg | have you checked the error log? | 00:17 |
wgGuest88 | yep. it says: | 00:18 |
wgGuest88 | a/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm line 33.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm line 33.\nCompilation failed in require | 00:18 |
wgGuest88 | oops sorry.. | 00:19 |
wgGuest88 | [error] Can't load Perl file: /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl for server ASte-Genev-Bois-153-1-33-189.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr:0, exiting... | 00:19 |
wgGuest88 | the server ;entionned is the last isp hop on wegui host side (detected as spctre subnet/32) during wreconsole setup | 00:20 |
wgGuest88 | if you want you can try a ssh connection to fnetutigroup.fr.dyndns.org :) | 00:22 |
wgGuest88 | fnetutigroup-fr.dyndns.org sorry | 00:23 |
wgGuest88 | ?? | 00:27 |
@Haarg | you did an upgrade you said? | 00:30 |
wgGuest88 | no install fro; scratch | 00:30 |
wgGuest88 | always did everything as root | 00:31 |
@Haarg | can you paste more of that error using pastebin? | 00:31 |
@Haarg | it's unable to load parts of the code it seems | 00:31 |
wgGuest88 | I had to chmod /data/wre/var/mysqldata folder to webgui in order for it to start correctly | 00:31 |
@Haarg | which could easily be a problem with a prerequisite | 00:31 |
@Haarg | in which case you may be able to solve it by cd /data/WebGUI/sbin && /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl testEnvironment.pl | 00:32 |
wgGuest88 | you mean the modperl error log? | 00:32 |
wgGuest88 | oh.. you mean every ;odule checked by testEnvironmet.pl should be ok? I thought wre install aim was to avoid to get from cpan repository and compile all these modules | 00:34 |
@Haarg | yes, more of the modperl error log | 00:34 |
@Haarg | that is the purpose of the wre, but a prerequisite problem would be the most likely cause of an error like you pasted | 00:35 |
@Haarg | i'd have to see more of the error to be certain though | 00:35 |
wgGuest88 | oki | 00:35 |
wgGuest88 | [Thu Apr 23 22:45:09 2009] [error] Can't load '/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so' for module Image::Magick: libgomp.so.1: Ne peut ouvrir le fichier d'objet partag\xc3\xa9: Aucun fichier o | 00:36 |
wgGuest88 | oops | 00:36 |
@Haarg | you need to install the libgomp rpm | 00:39 |
wgGuest88 | see pastebin on http://fr.sourcepod.com/uslxie60-217 | 00:40 |
@Haarg | that's all libgomp related | 00:41 |
wgGuest88 | ok installing rpms from mandriva ;irror | 00:42 |
wgGuest88 | strange enough in the "wre installation" wiki aerticle there s no netion of any such prerequisites | 00:43 |
wgGuest88 | you did it :) mod_perl started. | 00:44 |
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wgGuest88 | I must say I am quite impressed | 00:44 |
wgGuest88 | thank you very much | 00:45 |
@Haarg | the docs/install.txt does mention it btw | 00:47 |
@Haarg | should probably be added to the wiki though | 00:48 |
wgGuest88 | erf.. must admit didn't read install.txt file... typically french behaviour :) | 00:50 |
@Haarg | i'm pretty sure that's universal behavior | 00:52 |
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+perlDreamer | Mech422, I trust that your electricity is fine today? | 01:18 |
Mech422 | lol | 01:36 |
Mech422 | yes sir - 100% grade A flying electrons :-) | 01:36 |
+perlDreamer | excellent | 01:38 |
* perlDreamer must make other plans for ruining the western power grid | 01:38 | |
Mech422 | I trust the attic of perlDreamer, Inc is not in flames ? | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | neither attic nor clothes | 01:38 |
Mech422 | ahh - bonus! | 01:39 |
Mech422 | now for the trifeca: did you hit your thumb with the hammer ? | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | no, not damage to the metacarpals was incurred | 01:39 |
Mech422 | sweet! your golden! congratulations on a job well done :-) | 01:40 |
Mech422 | I usually mangle at least 1 digit | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | it just took 24 man hours to accomplish from beginning to end | 01:40 |
Mech422 | wow - not bad :-) especially when you had to crawl around in the attic | 01:42 |
Mech422 | so yesterday was world plone day... | 01:43 |
Mech422 | and donna found this on one of the twitters she follows: | 01:44 |
Mech422 | "Today is World Plone Day! Please give generously to Django, so that we can find a cure for Plone!" | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | ha! | 01:44 |
Mech422 | I thought it was rather cute :-) | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | if they don't want to give to Django, I'd be happy to accept contributions on behalf of WebGUI :) | 01:45 |
Mech422 | Heh | 01:45 |
Mech422 | we had coffee and cupcakes - but no-one showed for the demo's | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | let's see, we need a writing POD fund, a buy developers drinks at the WUC fund, a bug fixing fund | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | that's a bummer | 01:46 |
Mech422 | poor advertising, poor timing - poor planning | 01:46 |
Mech422 | same ole same ole | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | maybe next year | 01:46 |
Mech422 | yeah - donna was sorta bummed out about it | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | I think the closest thing we have is the WUC | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | but it's very localized | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | in Madison, Wisconsin | 01:47 |
Mech422 | yeah - plone does a lot of 'sprints' ... | 01:47 |
Mech422 | which are generally all over the place - mostly europe | 01:47 |
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Mech422 | the 'namespace' for a _template_ is simply its location right? | 02:28 |
Mech422 | so the 'Macro/L_loginBox ' namespace would simply be in the L_loginBox folder ? | 02:28 |
Mech422 | Hmm - but then, you can't bundle stuff for a 'product' or 'theme' into 1 folder? | 02:30 |
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+perlDreamer | no, template location and namespace are different | 02:50 |
+perlDreamer | that way, you _can_ bundle everything for an asset into 1 folder so it can be exported | 02:50 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: ah - so how do you assign a namespace to a template? | 02:54 |
+perlDreamer | via the API, or the UI? | 02:54 |
Mech422 | umm - UI? | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | good answer | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | when you create a new template, it will let you choose the namespace | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | once the namespace has been set, it cannot be changed through the UI | 02:55 |
+perlDreamer | most people start making new templates by copying existing ones and then modifying the copies | 02:56 |
Mech422 | right - thats what I did... | 02:56 |
+perlDreamer | the namespace will be displayed as a read-only in the properties tab | 02:56 |
+perlDreamer | excuse me, it's the Meta tab | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | not the properties tab | 02:57 |
Mech422 | ahh - found it | 02:58 |
+perlDreamer | inching closer | 03:12 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10454 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (5 files in 3 dirs): | 03:13 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Remove subclass exportHtml_view in favor of a session scratch variable for telling | 03:13 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: when the asset is being exported. Keyword files are exported into a private directory | 03:13 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: to prevent filename collisions. | 03:13 |
Mech422 | oh crap... | 03:14 |
Mech422 | perl thinks single and double quotes mean diff. things right ? like 'C' ? | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422, kind of | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | "c" eq 'C' | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | but | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | "\n" ne '\n' | 03:15 |
Mech422 | I'm having trouble with ^L() ... | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | give us a 1-line paste, Mech422 | 03:15 |
daviddelikat | and dont forget "$x" ne '$x' | 03:15 |
Mech422 | it works until I try to pass it an asset id | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | you don't need quotes unless it contains commas | 03:15 |
Mech422 | ^L(20,"Click %it%","PBtmpl0000000000000044"); | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | yup, lose the quotes | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | it will be fine | 03:16 |
Mech422 | thats just using the PB default template to make sure I have the syntax right | 03:16 |
Mech422 | I just added the double quotes - it was all single quotes before | 03:17 |
Mech422 | neither way seems to work | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | ah, that's not perl, that's WebGUI | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | well, if you wish, after dinner I can take a look at it with you | 03:17 |
Mech422 | nah dude - you had a busy day with all the electrical stuff | 03:17 |
Mech422 | I shall best this thru age and trechery!! and sheer will power!! | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat can also help. He is quite skilled at perl and WebGUI | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | just watch out for yer thumbs, dude | 03:18 |
* perlDreamer heads off to dinner | 03:18 | |
Mech422 | I'm also thinking I might need to update - we had a pre-release version installed | 03:18 |
daviddelikat | eat hardy | 03:18 |
Mech422 | lol - thanks :-) | 03:18 |
daviddelikat | Mech422: have you tried it without any quotes? | 03:18 |
Mech422 | umm - I didn't think of that... | 03:19 |
daviddelikat | PD mentioned earlier, you only need quotes if you need to embed a coma in your text. | 03:19 |
Mech422 | oh fer cryin out loud.. | 03:20 |
Mech422 | no quotes seems to work | 03:20 |
Mech422 | let me try with my template | 03:20 |
daviddelikat | good. i like an easy solution | 03:20 |
Mech422 | btw - my asset id's look like: 5UnuFXgz3-O9qZpJ2Bz-wQ is that normal and pb just makes 'pretty' ids for their stuff ? | 03:22 |
daviddelikat | yeah, typical asset ids are generated by UUID module | 03:23 |
daviddelikat | WG ids are generated by humans | 03:23 |
Mech422 | well, that 'fixed' it... though it blows the principal of least surprise all to hell | 03:23 |
daviddelikat | surprise? | 03:24 |
Mech422 | putting a string, in string quotes, in a parm that takes a string causes an error ? | 03:24 |
daviddelikat | yes that is a bit of a surprise | 03:24 |
Mech422 | I thought maybe I was using the 'wrong' quotes - like in 'c'... | 03:25 |
Mech422 | but _no_ quotes isn't something I would have thought of | 03:25 |
daviddelikat | i understand, I'm not sure what the code is doing there, but it seems goofy... | 03:25 |
daviddelikat | probably just a split(',',...) | 03:26 |
daviddelikat | brb | 03:26 |
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+perlDreamer | it's a bit more complex than split | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | and Haarg, I am _NOT_ going to make the merge tonight | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | there's only about 10 brain cells working tonight | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | way too dangerous for me to merge and merge back in this state | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | so please don't hold the 7.7.4 release on me | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | if you | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | were | 05:05 |
@Haarg | not holding it on you | 05:05 |
@Haarg | a bunch of failing tests though | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | which ones? | 05:06 |
@Haarg | been dealing with a bunch of other things though, so it wasn't priority earlier | 05:06 |
@Haarg | tax stuff | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | oy | 05:06 |
@Haarg | some other stuff as well | 05:06 |
@Haarg | it's nice we have the test suite and all but it's getting more frustrating that nobody seems to run them | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | I agree, which makes it all the more ironic when I forget to run it :) | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | I know at one point we talked through passing tests as a pre-commit hook | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | but it wasn't a popular idea | 05:11 |
@Haarg | i don't think a pre-commit hook is a good idea | 05:11 |
@Haarg | but i do need to get automated testing worked out | 05:11 |
@Haarg | for every revesion | 05:11 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10455 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: Set the scratch variable for the main asset as well. | 05:11 |
+perlDreamer | preaction has smokebot, but it's broken currently | 05:12 |
@Haarg | if nothing else, try to shame people into doing better | 05:12 |
+perlDreamer | and Mech422 has offered us a VM for automated testing several times | 05:12 |
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@Haarg | preaction has a server we could use | 05:12 |
@Haarg | and i have a spare computer i could stick at the office to it as well | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | oh, it's not smokebot, it's botaction that I'm thinking of | 05:13 |
@Haarg | software is the harder part to get worked out | 05:13 |
@Haarg | i started working on something, but it's a bit of work and it would be nicer if i could find something pre-made to do most of it | 05:14 |
+perlDreamer | smolder? | 05:14 |
@Haarg | something like that yes | 05:14 |
@Haarg | i haven't gotten back to it for a while though | 05:15 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, if you are in the mood for helping with tests, you could look at t/POD.t. a few things uncovered. | 05:21 |
+perlDreamer | I'm on it | 05:21 |
+perlDreamer | so, are publicly shaming people, or privately first? | 05:23 |
@Haarg | publicly is fine with me | 05:23 |
@Haarg | i need to start posting on the dev list every time i find a broken test | 05:23 |
+perlDreamer | I'm adding crud_definition to the list of private subroutines that don't need POD | 05:28 |
@Haarg | sounds good | 05:28 |
+perlDreamer | I pulled crud_definition from that list | 05:36 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't work well with CRUD modules | 05:36 |
+perlDreamer | which only contain a crud_definition | 05:36 |
+perlDreamer | could be a Pod::Coverage bug | 05:37 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10456 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetCollateral/Sku/ (Ad/Ad.pm ThingyRecord/Record.pm): Add missing POD from new SKU based collateral modules. | 05:40 |
+perlDreamer | 3/4 POD broken modules fixed | 05:40 |
+perlDreamer | Shop/TaxDriver/EU.pm is going to take a bit | 05:40 |
+perlDreamer | it has NO POD at all | 05:40 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, do _all_ files need the legal notice? | 05:53 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10457 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ThingFieldsList.pm: Add missing POD for the new ThingFieldsList form handler. | 05:54 |
+perlDreamer | I'm guessing that they do, but I've looked at 3 Shop modules, and they don't have it | 05:56 |
+perlDreamer | I'll build a separate test for that later | 05:56 |
@Haarg | yeah, i think they are all supposed to have it | 05:58 |
+perlDreamer | I'll fix it in every one I come across, and then build a test to find the rest, later | 05:58 |
@Haarg | i noticed the same in a few shop modules when i was fixing some other test earlier | 05:58 |
+perlDreamer | this is funny. The EU tax driver needs i18n | 06:01 |
@Haarg | heh | 06:01 |
@Haarg | there are some i18n/help failures due to some of the i18n labels getting moved | 06:02 |
+perlDreamer | is that related to the Layout changes I made, or more Tax related stuff? | 06:02 |
@Haarg | tax | 06:06 |
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+perlDreamer | it's hard to blame people for not running the i18n label scanner. It's so slow | 06:20 |
+perlDreamer | POD is 100% passing now | 06:20 |
@Haarg | cool, thanks | 06:20 |
+perlDreamer | do you have another one? | 06:22 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10458 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add missing POD and legal statements for many Shop modules. | 06:24 |
@Haarg | well | 06:31 |
@Haarg | there is t/Asset/Sku.t and t/Shop/Tax.t | 06:32 |
@Haarg | i'm looking at a failing survey test | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | I'll start with Sku.t | 06:32 |
+perlDreamer | tax overrides have been moved into a JSON blob | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | the failing test is out of date | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | are you handling the missing Help variables? | 06:38 |
@Haarg | not so far | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'll get the two in Asset_Sku | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | they are related to the tax override test | 06:39 |
@Haarg | i don't love the survey issue. seems like the values recorded for true/false got switched accidentally | 06:40 |
@Haarg | so i can change the data or change the test | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | you mean false is 1 and true is 0? | 06:41 |
@Haarg | yes | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | patspam: ping | 06:41 |
+patspam | ahoy! | 06:42 |
+patspam | just back from lunch | 06:42 |
+perlDreamer | do you know anything about the survey true/false values being swapped? | 06:42 |
+patspam | yes | 06:42 |
+perlDreamer | the test for that is failing now | 06:43 |
+patspam | yes | 06:43 |
+perlDreamer | so the test should be updated? | 06:43 |
+patspam | no | 06:43 |
+perlDreamer | or the code is wrong? | 06:43 |
@Haarg | it's in a database table now | 06:43 |
@Haarg | not in code | 06:43 |
+patspam | the defaults for the True/False questionType need to be fixed | 06:43 |
+patspam | yeah, which are in the Survey_questionTypes table | 06:43 |
+patspam | I think kaleb is fixing it | 06:44 |
+patspam | or i can if it needs to be fixed asap | 06:44 |
+patspam | are you about to do a release? | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | I think we're on the release path | 06:44 |
+patspam | ah ok | 06:44 |
@Haarg | yeah | 06:44 |
+patspam | it's a very minor bug, I wouldn't mind changing the .t for now | 06:45 |
@Haarg | if that's not the correct fix i don't want to do it | 06:45 |
+patspam | ok, I'll write an upgrade script now | 06:46 |
+patspam | t-2mins | 06:46 |
+perlDreamer | Shop/Tax.t is passing | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | uh, Asset/Sku.t is passing | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | I'll look at Shop/Tax.t next | 06:47 |
+perlDreamer | this is much more fun than crawling in my attic | 06:48 |
+perlDreamer | and much easier on my bones | 06:48 |
@Haarg | maybe someone fixed it and i didn't notice | 06:48 |
+perlDreamer | um, not yet | 06:48 |
+patspam | survey fix is committed | 06:51 |
+patspam | all survey tests pass now | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | Shop/Tax.t is passing | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | I had to add back the code for the exception throwing when not passing a session to a class method | 06:54 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10459 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku.pm Help/Asset_Sku.pm i18n/English/Asset_Sku.pm): Finish cleaning up after the move of getTaxRate from the Sku to the TaxDriver. | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10460 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Handle automatically cleaning up users at the end of a test. | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10461 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku.t: | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: remove tests for the old, removed, getTaxRate method which was | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: moved into Shop/TaxDriver | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10462 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: Added another Survey ResponseJSON test | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | brb, have to look at a wonky washing machine | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10463 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.3-7.7.4.pl: | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fixed bug with Survey True/False multi-choice bundle defaults so that | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: tests pass | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10464 /branch/WebGUI_Story/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: Update the keyword URL callback to the correct method. | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10465 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t): | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add back code for throwing exceptions when session is not passed | 06:55 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: to class methods. | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, if you want to pass on another test, let me know and I'll backlog | 06:55 |
@Haarg | i think that's everything actually | 06:56 |
+perlDreamer | sweet! | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | I've been sitting on a prototype fix for the Widget. It _seems_ like it's working, but it could use a review by anyone who is more familiar with it. | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | is that you, preaction, khenn, rizen? | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | the Widget bug is that assetIds do not make good javascript variable names | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | so I just used the hex value of the assetId instead | 07:01 |
+perlDreamer | and, like I said, it _seems_ to be working | 07:10 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10466 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.7.4 release | 07:24 |
+perlDreamer | well, I'm not making any more progress on StoryManager tonight | 07:54 |
+perlDreamer | time for sleep | 07:54 |
+perlDreamer | good night all :) | 07:54 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10467 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.4-beta: Release 7.7.4-beta | 10:24 |
xdanger | 7.6.21 is already in svn and builds, but no news about it. When are you making the release? | 10:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10468 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.7.5 dev | 10:39 |
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zylopfa | Is there a way i can get an asset to show in another view than the default? | 11:07 |
zylopfa | I have made an asset to manage some stories but i want it to show in another view (www function) as standard on some pages | 11:08 |
+BartJol | you want to assign another template? | 11:09 |
zylopfa | no i have a template | 11:09 |
zylopfa | I have different www functions in the wobject | 11:09 |
zylopfa | one for adding stories, which is the main view | 11:09 |
zylopfa | but i also want one for showing stories | 11:10 |
zylopfa | which is the view i want as default on other pages | 11:10 |
+BartJol | ah | 11:10 |
+BartJol | so story X is added, edited and stored on 1 page. And you want to show the content on another page | 11:11 |
zylopfa | indeed | 11:11 |
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zylopfa | so the asset have a whole other view/function on another page | 11:12 |
+BartJol | sorry, I have to upgrade a site | 11:13 |
+BartJol | bbs | 11:13 |
zylopfa | ok | 11:13 |
+BartJol | and I'm back | 11:17 |
+BartJol | mmm, my first attempt would be to look at a sql report | 11:18 |
zylopfa | ahh thanks | 11:19 |
+BartJol | maybe that's not the nicest way to go | 11:19 |
zylopfa | naa wait | 11:20 |
zylopfa | I wont do it | 11:20 |
zylopfa | I need the wobject to be a complete story management object | 11:20 |
+BartJol | ah | 11:20 |
zylopfa | so i need to be able to set the default view pr. page basis | 11:20 |
+BartJol | ok, an assetproxy won't work | 11:20 |
zylopfa | i think i saw how somewhere but just dont remember where | 11:20 |
zylopfa | I could make it into several wobjects but that seems to defeat the purpose of making 1 wobject to do it all | 11:21 |
+BartJol | maybe a shortcut | 11:21 |
+BartJol | testing | 11:22 |
+BartJol | mmm, my computer is getting the fears it seems | 11:24 |
+BartJol | testing on another machine | 11:24 |
zylopfa | ha thanks :D | 11:25 |
+BartJol | well, you have to look into that, but as far as I can see it looks to serve your desires pretty well | 11:27 |
zylopfa | awesome | 11:28 |
zylopfa | I have this page /members/stories | 11:28 |
+BartJol | I know I am :) | 11:28 |
zylopfa | where i want this thuing to be | 11:28 |
zylopfa | so i can do this /members/stories/?func=viewStory;id=12331 | 11:28 |
zylopfa | so the story view will be shown | 11:28 |
zylopfa | and it should use the layout of the parant | 11:29 |
+BartJol | so just a single story, or more like an anchor? | 11:31 |
zylopfa | a single story | 11:32 |
zylopfa | but the pagelayout will still encapsulate it | 11:33 |
+BartJol | the latter isn't the problem I think\ | 11:33 |
+BartJol | did you create a new wobject for this? | 11:33 |
+BartJol | it probably depends on the setup | 11:34 |
+BartJol | in a collaboration system, posts are also asstes/wobjectas | 11:34 |
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zylopfa | yeah i created a new object from scratch | 11:37 |
+BartJol | ah well, tell me about it :) | 11:37 |
zylopfa | I have created it now as a shortcut | 11:37 |
zylopfa | but it dont care about the parameters i put to it in the url | 11:38 |
zylopfa | its like it ignores it | 11:38 |
+BartJol | ah | 11:38 |
+BartJol | well | 11:39 |
zylopfa | so it present the default view but dont care about ?func=showStory | 11:39 |
+BartJol | you need those to be handled by a url handler prolly | 11:39 |
zylopfa | auch but normally the wobjects respond to the url | 11:39 |
+BartJol | well, but a ?func url is probably passed on, since that url handler exists | 11:40 |
+BartJol | and not recognised | 11:40 |
+BartJol | do you get an error from it? | 11:40 |
zylopfa | no i have that func in my wobject | 11:41 |
zylopfa | a www function | 11:41 |
+BartJol | ah | 11:41 |
+BartJol | mmm, I should read more docs for that | 11:41 |
zylopfa | Thanks a lot for help so far :D | 11:47 |
zylopfa | BartJol, I figured it out, i redesigned my wobject like thingy and made the view() function be a kind of dispatch function | 12:43 |
zylopfa | and the definition of the wobject has a "Default View" option that lets you set it | 12:43 |
+BartJol | cool | 12:45 |
+BartJol | is that wobject coming into WebGUI? | 12:45 |
zylopfa | It might be, it i make it universal enough | 12:47 |
zylopfa | if | 12:47 |
+BartJol | yeah as a partial replacement for the collaboration system, | 12:49 |
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SynQ1 | hi there | 16:54 |
+Radix_ | hey koen | 17:08 |
SynQ1 | it works! | 17:08 |
SynQ1 | it really does | 17:09 |
SynQ1 | I have succesfully compiled WRE 0.9.2 | 17:09 |
SynQ1 | on debian etch | 17:09 |
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+Radix_ | why not just apt-get install webgui? | 17:10 |
+Radix_ | (turn on sid/unstable first tho ;) | 17:10 |
SynQ1 | uh huh | 17:10 |
+Radix_ | not as nice as the wre tho imho, but still pretty cool | 17:10 |
SynQ1 | pretty cool indeed | 17:10 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: koen * r10469 /wrebuild/readme.txt: grapviz not needed for debian install, in fact it will not work if you have it installed. | 17:13 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10470 /translations/German/German/ (3 files): Update from translation server | 17:27 |
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slickware1 | hey all... I don't see anything in the support forums about this - but I have a user with an Events Calendar where the edit & delete buttons seem to only refresh the page rather than editing/deleting any selected event | 19:14 |
slickware1 | how do I find out if this is a bug or just me | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | look for an error in the log file | 19:14 |
slickware1 | can't - shared host (plainblack) | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | in the admin console, turn on debug mode, and limit it to just your IP | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | that way you're not exposing all your users to debug mode | 19:15 |
slickware1 | where is that exactly - i've never bothered to use debug | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | In the Admin Console, in Settings | 19:15 |
@Haarg | what site is this? | 19:15 |
slickware1 | www.stonehamchamber.org is the site, haarg | 19:15 |
slickware1 | debug enabled for my IP - shows nothing ? | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | it's possible that the log level is set too low, but not likely | 19:18 |
@Haarg | have you just tried to reproduce this then? | 19:20 |
@Haarg | and what does the URL look like after clicking the link? | 19:20 |
slickware1 | stonehamchamber.org/home/chamber--community-events-calendar2/untitled2/spl-vacation-free-event3?noCache=386:1240588333?func=edit | 19:20 |
slickware1 | it says edit, but no editor comes up (and I am logged in as admin) | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | there's a bug filed about this, already | 19:21 |
slickware1 | happens on every event i've tried, and multiple users | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | with noCache turned on, editing Events won't work | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/10238 | 19:21 |
@Haarg | hmm | 19:21 |
slickware1 | ah. | 19:21 |
slickware1 | is there any harm in turning off nocache? | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | why did you turn it on? | 19:21 |
slickware1 | I didn't realize I did :) | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | well, in that case... ;) | 19:22 |
slickware1 | what does it do? and don't say it doesn't cache... | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | it generates random URL fragments that prevents proxies from caching the page | 19:22 |
slickware1 | ok | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | everytime you click, the noCache=blahBlahBlah changes | 19:22 |
slickware1 | gotcha | 19:23 |
@Haarg | you could adjust the template to fix it as well | 19:23 |
slickware1 | brilliant - nocache fixed it | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | no nocache fixed it | 19:24 |
slickware1 | or, cache fixed it ? | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 19:25 |
slickware1 | so how has everyone here been | 19:26 |
slickware1 | I have unfortunately been splitting my time between this cms and joomla and it's like owning 2 cars | 19:26 |
slickware1 | one fiat and one porsche | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | do we dare ask which one is which? | 19:27 |
slickware1 | actually, make the fiat a ford | 19:27 |
slickware1 | there's millions of parts for it, but they all suck :) | 19:27 |
@Haarg | hrm, that's annoying. Event overwrites the url template variable so it uses getUrl instead of just being get('url'). | 19:27 |
@Haarg | so you can't fix the problem in the template easily | 19:28 |
slickware1 | I wouldn't be able to fix anything in the template, easily | 19:28 |
slickware1 | that's why I host it with PB... so I don't have to think anymore than necessary! | 19:29 |
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zylopfa | ahah nice | 19:57 |
zylopfa | damn he logged | 19:57 |
zylopfa | perlDreamer, you tried joomla? | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 19:58 |
zylopfa | me neither | 19:58 |
* perlDreamer is a perl and WebGUI bigot | 19:58 | |
ckotil | i used it about 3 years ago | 19:58 |
zylopfa | how is it? | 19:58 |
ckotil | i got forced into supporting it | 19:58 |
zylopfa | I know its the hype of cms | 19:58 |
ckotil | its ok. decent support. big user base | 19:58 |
zylopfa | all i know none techies always ask "is webgui like joomla" | 19:58 |
zylopfa | when i tell them i work with cms | 19:58 |
ckotil | but its php . so you run into all sorts of wierd errors that confuse the hell out of you | 19:58 |
zylopfa | then i get fucking angry | 19:58 |
zylopfa | ckotil, yeah | 19:59 |
zylopfa | php is perl on tanquilizers | 19:59 |
zylopfa | thats how i always seen php | 19:59 |
zylopfa | I started with perl for 10 years ago | 19:59 |
zylopfa | when php wasnt much | 19:59 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10471 /branch/WebGUI_Story/t/Asset/Asset.t: Check what happens with URLS with an initial dot in them | 20:10 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10472 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (2 files in 2 dirs): getKeywordStaticURL function, with tests. | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, to merge in an entire branch, one does svn merge -r start_of_branch:end_of_branch branch_url ? | 20:20 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10473 /branch/WebGUI_Story/ (108 files in 44 dirs): Merge with HEAD, 10472 | 20:25 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, that looks basically right, but i haven't done merging with svn for quite some time | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | it works okay | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | once the critic_labels test is finished, I'm merging in | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | not too bad of a process, just takes a while | 21:13 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, StoryManager is merged in, and all tests are running clean on my end | 21:38 |
@Haarg | nice | 21:38 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10474 /WebGUI/ (31 files in 17 dirs): | 21:42 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add in StoryManager, 3 assets for managing news content in WebGUI. | 21:42 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Several small API changes to Keyword and AssetExportHtml to support StoryManager functionality. | 21:42 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10475 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm AssetExportHtml.pm): Do not set the exporting scratch variable in places where it is not needed. | 22:25 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10477 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): RssFeed aspect tests, more to follow. | 01:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10478 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t: Automatically cleanup storage created for export collateral tests. | 02:00 |
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+perlmonkey2 | Anyone have any ideas on how to make ajax calls work when debug mode is turned on? | 02:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | it harshes my json. | 02:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | Hmm, this is more than a Survey issue. Looks like it breaks Thingy too. I bet any ajax call expecting JSON is broken. | 02:09 |
+perlDreamer | this is the same problem that I had with the Account | 02:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | Need a way for the initial request handler to specify this is an ajax call and either not append debug info or append it as a json object. | 02:10 |
* perlDreamer votes for not appendind debug to JSON output | 02:10 | |
+perlDreamer | well, if I get a vote, that is | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | I checked in the StoryManager today, perlmonkey2 | 02:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | yeah, that would be easiest. And I'm not sure about Session::ErrorHandler taking json, turning it back into perl so it can append debug info, then converting back to json. I know in debug mode, speed isn't a big deal, but that sounds painful. | 02:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how cool is it? | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | way cool | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | massively tested | 02:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | wow | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | very robust | 02:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | let me up/revert and give it a whorl :D | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | might be WebGUI's first trimodal asset | 02:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | trimodal? | 02:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | that is pretty multi | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | three modes | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | all using pieces of the same code | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | very DRY | 02:14 |
+perlDreamer | instead of building out www_search, and www_keyword and www_view, it detects which mode it is in and does the right thing | 02:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh, nice | 02:14 |
+perlDreamer | and the template generation is busted out, so you can test it, and subclass it | 02:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | eh? | 02:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | interesting | 02:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | so first create and archive, then topics for it? | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | yes. | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | topics are just fixed keyword based accesses into the set of stories | 02:16 |
+perlmonkey2 | Hmm, wouldn't let me create a topic | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | you're a bad man | 02:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | Didn't use Articles. | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | so you created a StoryArchive, then tried to create a StoryTopic, and it wouldn't let you? | 02:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | right | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | where did you try to create the topic? | 02:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | but then I went back to the home page and I could create it there. | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | right | 02:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | probably tried to create it as a child of the archive | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | you can only add Stories to an Archive | 02:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | makes sense | 02:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | so I didn't tell the topic which archive to use | 02:20 |
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+perlDreamer | doesn't matter | 02:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | does a topic pull from every archive | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | it will look at all of them | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | maybe the Admin Console should look at $session->asset and only let you add things that the asset permits | 02:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure I understand the topic. It is a site wide view into all Archives, no matter their content? | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | right, because it only cares about the keyword content of the Stories | 02:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | I didn't see any place in the topic to filter by | 02:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | ah | 02:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | my bad | 02:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | if the keywords are blank, you get all the stories | 02:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | very sweet | 02:23 |
+perlDreamer | thanks :) | 02:29 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: ah, what did you mean by the templating being busted out and subclassable. I don't say a templating class. | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | template variables are busted out | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | and the sub that makes them is subclassable | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | not templates | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | I mistyped (badly) | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | it's called viewTemplateVariables | 02:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | yeah, I was looking at that sub. But how is a sub subclassable? | 02:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | I thought you could only subclass classes? | 02:43 |
+perlmonkey2 | either way, very nice and clean looking code. | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | if you wanted a StoryARchive that also had RDF feeds, for example | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | you could make it a subclass of StoryArchive | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | inside MyStoryArchive you call SUPER->viewTemplateVariables | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | and then modify what it returns | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | and return the modified set of template variables | 02:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | ic | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | let's just hope that it works as well as it looks :) | 02:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | just read in dev that webgui 9 will be on perl 6. At least someday we'll have sane comprehendable OO :P | 02:52 |
nuba | maybe something like a "webgoose" can happen before that | 02:58 |
nuba | like catalyst's catamoose effort by mst | 02:59 |
nuba | led by*, i think | 02:59 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10479 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Many more RssAspect tests. | 03:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10480 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a bug where the calendar will list all events, regardless of permissions. | 03:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10481 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backporting event calendar permissions fix | 03:41 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10482 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added correct mime type for json returns which were missing it. | 08:10 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10483 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm t/HTML.t): Fix a bug where html2text dropped the last word. Added tests. | 08:54 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10484 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Add back in other bug fix to the changelog. | 08:54 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10485 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm t/HTML.t docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Backporting html2text fix. | 08:54 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10486 /translations/RedNeck/RedNeck/ (23 files): Update from translation server | 10:09 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10487 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm: Fix a syntax warning re shift. | 18:14 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10488 /translations/German/German/Account_Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 01:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10489 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server | 01:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10490 /translations/German/German/Asset_UserList.pm: Update from translation server | 01:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10491 /translations/German/German/Asset_ThingyRecord.pm: Update from translation server | 01:42 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10492 /translations/Swedish/Swedish/ (8 files): Update from translation server | 03:57 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10493 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 06:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fix bad angle bracket handling in messageIds in Main/Send.pm | 06:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Extend Mail/Send.t to test messageId generation. | 06:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10494 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting messageId fix for Mail/Send with tests. | 06:16 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10495 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a bug where changing fieldTypes in the userProfileField did not update the database field types. | 07:11 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10496 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting profileField fieldType fix. | 07:11 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10497 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm: Fix syntax warning in HTML.pm, html2text. | 07:26 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10498 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10499 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server | 12:44 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10500 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server | 13:15 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10501 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server | 13:15 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10502 /translations/German/German/Asset_Subscription.pm: Update from translation server | 13:33 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10503 /translations/German/German/Asset_Subscription.pm: Update from translation server | 13:57 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10504 /translations/German/German/Asset_FlatDiscount.pm: Update from translation server | 17:30 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10505 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Subscription.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10506 /translations/German/German/Tax.pm: Update from translation server | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10507 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Update from translation server | 17:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10508 /translations/German/German/Workflow_Activity_ExpirePurchasedThingyRecords.pm: Update from translation server | 18:12 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10509 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 18:27 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, tavisto | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | how was ad-tech? | 21:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10510 /translations/German/German/Asset_Donation.pm: Update from translation server | 23:55 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10511 /translations/German/German/Asset_Subscription.pm: Update from translation server | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | somebody is translating WebGUI into German | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | and doing a ton of work on it | 00:23 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10512 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Shop.pm PayDriver.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server | 00:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10513 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server | 00:54 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10514 /translations/German/German/PayDriver_Cash.pm: Update from translation server | 00:54 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10515 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): | 02:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fix a bug in the paginator where it was doing a numeric comparison on the SQL errorNum | 02:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: rather than a definedness check, according to the docs. | 02:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10516 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm): | 02:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Forward porting SQL Report/Paginator errorNum fix. errorNum is undefined for | 02:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: no errors. | 02:24 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10517 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fix a bug in the default search dates in the Gallery Advanced Search form. | 02:39 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10518 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Forward porting date fix for gallery advanced search. | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | it's pretty quiet today, patspam | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | just us virus laden americans and a bunch of lurkers | 02:44 |
+patspam | well it is sunday for you guys right? | 02:45 |
+patspam | you're allowed one day off a week :) | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | I didn't work very much last week, I was crawling inside of the attic | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | so I'm trying to make up some time | 02:45 |
+patspam | storymanager keeping you busy? | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | Finished it on Friday | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | Wife is keeping me busy | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | there are definite advantages to buying a new house | 02:46 |
+perlDreamer | like not remodeling it for the next 10 years | 02:46 |
+patspam | ah congrats on finishing it! | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | thanks :) | 02:47 |
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+perlDreamer | now it's in the hands of the designers, so we'll see what they do to beautify it | 02:53 |
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+perlDreamer | time to be a dad, back in 20 | 06:23 |
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CIA-38 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r99ccfa8 / (9 files in 3 dirs): Removed WebGUI::Crypt code from flux branch - http://bit.ly/yyB4t | 11:42 |
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CIA-38 | webgui: Patrick Donelan crypt * r123f563 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 11:42 |
CIA-38 | webgui: Added skeleton for new Crypt implementation, including: | 11:42 |
CIA-38 | webgui: *) sbin/installCrypt.pl utility install script | 11:42 |
CIA-38 | webgui: *) Crypt content handler | 11:42 |
CIA-38 | webgui: *) Crypt admin console page | 11:42 |
CIA-38 | webgui: *) cryptEnabled setting | 11:42 |
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CIA-38 | webgui: *) i18n - http://bit.ly/18mQfy | 11:42 |
CIA-38 | webgui: Patrick Donelan crypt * rb64418d / (lib/WebGUI/Crypt/Admin.pm lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Crypt.pm): Minor refactoring to crypt Admin Console - http://bit.ly/3Y10aQ | 11:42 |
CIA-38 | webgui: Patrick Donelan crypt * rea75d1f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Added list of Crypt Providers to Admin Console - http://bit.ly/ALo6X | 11:42 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10521 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Change ResponseJSON to use a proper mutator for startTime. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add tests for startTime. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Survey uses the accessor, and no longer needs to manually set startTime. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10522 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Tests for createSurveyOrder and shuffle. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: POD for several methods. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10523 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add tests for nextSectionid, nextSection, currentSection. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add more POD to ResponseJSON | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10524 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): matrix bug fixes | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10525 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matrix compare screen bugfix | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10526 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: nextQuestions tests. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add POD, and make sure that answers returned by nextQuestions are safe refs. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10527 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add POD stubs, fully document goto. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Prevent recordResponses from autovivifying mcHash keys. From page to page of | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: questions it does not matter, but if two questions in the same page have an | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: unrecognized, type, the second will be processed differently from the first. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10528 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: goto tests. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10529 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: recordResponse tests (just a few) | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fix a bug where if a section is terminal, and has no questions, it did not return the terminal flag as true. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: A little recordResponse POD. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10530 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Flesh out the recordResponses POD. Almost ready for more in depth testing. | 12:27 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10531 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add a mutator for questionsAnswered, with tests. | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Correct POD for recordResponses. | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Begin recordResponses answer processing tests. | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10532 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (survey_rfe_9202.wgpkg lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Implemented Survey Jump-to combo box (#9202) | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: You will need to manually import survey_rfe_9202 until this branch is | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: merged back into trunk. | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10533 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.7/stockdatatmpl000000001.wgpkg: i18n one of the two stock data templates | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10534 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Implemented Survey branching expressions (#9233). Woot! | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10535 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: Forward port WGBP SQLReport definition sub. | 12:28 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10536 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: | 12:28 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10541 /Too many paths: (log message trimmed) | 14:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Merge branch 'flux_pre_dcommit' into flux | 14:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: * flux_pre_dcommit: (835 commits) | 14:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Removed WebGUI::Crypt code from flux branch | 14:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Release 7.7.4-beta | 14:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: preparing for 7.7.4 release | 14:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add back code for throwing exceptions when session is not passed | 14:24 |
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zylopfa | Anyone aware of problems with the Profile system, that it wont use the style defined in the Settings | 14:48 |
zylopfa | here i mean the page style | 14:48 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10542 /translations/German/German/ (AuthWebGUI.pm Account_User.pm Asset_Thingy.pm): Update from translation server | 16:06 |
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zylopfa | Anyone know if the paginator takes all the results into its dataset? | 17:07 |
zylopfa | If it does its not so good with queries that return maybe 1000 records | 17:08 |
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+perlmonkey2 | preaction: ping | 17:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: you there? | 17:14 |
zylopfa | Anyone know about the paginator? | 17:14 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: yup | 17:15 |
zylopfa | I have seen a problem in it, in the UserList wobject | 17:15 |
zylopfa | I have 10.000 users on my site and it seems it loads all the userdata into the paginator | 17:15 |
zylopfa | this is not so good | 17:15 |
zylopfa | I thought it only loaded the data 1 page at a time | 17:16 |
zylopfa | instead of holding the data for all pages in memory | 17:16 |
zylopfa | Ok I read the manual but then something is wrong with the UserList wobject | 17:20 |
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zylopfa | Does anyone know what template variable "show message on login" will be accessible from? | 19:41 |
xdanger | Why is the text from my i18n files coming "double utf8" after I updated from 7.4 -> 7.6? every Ä that comes from i18n is ä | 19:41 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10543 /translations/Finnish/ (184 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 19:45 |
@preaction | zylopfa: none. it's a seperate screen | 19:46 |
zylopfa | got it! | 19:46 |
zylopfa | I found out, just had to write 1 in number of times it should be shown | 19:46 |
zylopfa | it had 0 as default along with an option to make it show | 19:46 |
zylopfa | preaction, its a pretty good idea | 19:47 |
zylopfa | you can use it for a guide to new users on your site | 19:47 |
@preaction | with a horrible execution (and i'm the one who did it) | 19:47 |
zylopfa | what do you mean preaction ? | 19:48 |
@preaction | you could do the same with a special group and a workflow | 19:48 |
@preaction | the entire thing is hacked together and able to be reproduced using existing features | 19:48 |
zylopfa | sweet :D | 19:48 |
zylopfa | You dont sound so happy about it | 19:48 |
zylopfa | preaction, I am also gonna ask you something in adminconsole=>settings=>account | 19:49 |
zylopfa | you can choose the style template for profile for example | 19:50 |
zylopfa | But it seems it use the default page style instead of the one you say there | 19:51 |
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@preaction | what page? each account plugin can have its own style template, and there are other pages that use the "User Function Style" under the UI or Content tab (i forget which) | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: any thoughts on whether or not we need to scan the userProfileData table to see if current column defs match fieldTypes? | 20:01 |
xdanger | Ouh yeah.... Is there a way to automagically merge i18n files? in a "smart way"? | 20:01 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: i don't know, but it might be a good idea to at least warn the admin that something is amiss | 20:02 |
@preaction | xdanger: there is in theory, but i don't know if anyone wrote the tool to do it | 20:03 |
+perlDreamer | would SVN work for merging i18n files? | 20:04 |
xdanger | too bad. Just realized that my translations have stuff that i18n.webgui.org doesn't have and the other way around... Which is wierd since I provided the first packages for that | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | They're kept in SVN on the i18n server | 20:04 |
xdanger | yeah, but that's a lot of work to do by hand | 20:05 |
xdanger | I'll have a look anyway, maybe mine are just a little bit different | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | so maybe a tool that walks all the hash keys and checks lastUpdated for each one? | 20:06 |
@preaction | that's what i was thinking | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | of course, they all install into the same namespace, so it'd be a bit more complex than that | 20:07 |
carogray | any body working on or using PB hosted servers here? | 20:07 |
carogray | know if email thing is fixed? | 20:07 |
carogray | hi - sorry - a bit frantic at work today. | 20:07 |
@preaction | carogray: which website are you on? | 20:09 |
@preaction | i can do the Super Special Preaction Poke-a-roo that will make Spectre send mail again for a little while | 20:10 |
carogray | the MLRI ones - my really important one is MassLegalHelp.org, but Neighborhoodlaw.org is probablyhaving problems to. | 20:10 |
carogray | too | 20:10 |
carogray | Preaction: you are a PB person? | 20:11 |
@preaction | okay, they're all on the same server | 20:11 |
@preaction | yes. all of the +o people are (a little icon next to my name) | 20:11 |
carogray | ii don't see +0 I see a gold star that looks as though you have some sort of military medal:-/ | 20:12 |
@preaction | yeah, that | 20:12 |
@preaction | though really to get support you should ask the support boards. do you have phone support? i'm not sure if that comes with a dedicated box or not | 20:12 |
carogray | well, did you know that PB people are supposed to be fixing this bug? but it keeps happening, should I just keep coming to you all and asking you to poke the server until it gets fixed | 20:12 |
@preaction | also, i did the poke and i'll add the cronjob that will poke it automatically | 20:13 |
carogray | no phone support, only forum support - on the boards, but have been having this problem for about 5-6 weeks now so v. worried and have been going back and forth with David on it, but he told me 2 people were working on it 10? days ago | 20:13 |
@preaction | yeah, it's been an ongoing problem for a while. plainblack.com has had this problem for a very long time, but only now is it starting to affect other sites | 20:14 |
@preaction | i added the auto-poker, so until the bug is fixed you shouldn't have the problem | 20:15 |
carogray | oh phew thanks! | 20:15 |
carogray | thanks so much. | 20:15 |
carogray | may I ask your 'real' name? | 20:15 |
@preaction | i'm Doug | 20:16 |
@preaction | right now there are 1655 messages in the queue for www.masslegalhelp.org, so give it a little while to send. ask support to follow up in an hour or two to see how everything's going | 20:17 |
carogray | ah yes- doug the calendar man? thanks so much for doing this, will nudge support via the board? to check up in an hour or two. | 20:23 |
carogray | ta | 20:23 |
@preaction | yeah | 20:26 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction++ (much better than +0) | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | brb | 21:23 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10544 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Add gotcha notice about profile field column types. | 21:49 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10545 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/gotcha.txt: Backport profile field gotcha notice. | 21:49 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10546 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Fix bad Event URL template variables. | 21:49 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/102648 | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg. I'll add the patch and see if it passes the existing test suite | 21:51 |
@Haarg | yeah, i haven't tested it | 21:51 |
@Haarg | think that looks better though? | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | definitely | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | less copy/paste | 21:53 |
+perlDreamer | I'm just really happy that we have that aspect now | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | it's going to make the Syndicated Content asset much more useful | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | for example, no more custom SQL queries for latest posts if we don't want it | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | just use RSS and mix all of them together | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | yay, closed 7 bugs | 21:56 |
+perlDreamer | he have a total of 76 open bugs right now | 21:56 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: and how is project 'Electricity' coming ? | 22:08 |
* perlDreamer has lots of war wounds | 22:08 | |
+perlDreamer | but the grid has survived | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | I have heard about this Swine Flu thing going around, but it's organic so I claim no responsibility | 22:08 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: a programmer responsible for a mutant virus? nah...couldn't be... | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, you and I need to watch each other's back and hold each other to the highest standard of programming conduct | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | which means I'm going to POD those private methods for you :) | 22:14 |
@Haarg | do we usually do that? | 22:15 |
@Haarg | they should definitely be documented which i neglected to do | 22:15 |
+perlDreamer | with get*FeedUrl being bimodal w.r.t export, should the standalone Static methods be marked as deprecated? | 22:16 |
@Haarg | i'm not sure. they were part of the spec, and there may be a reason to access that when not exporting. | 22:16 |
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+perlDreamer | good point | 22:20 |
+perlDreamer | with get*FeedUrl being bimodal, it also fixes the head block link bug with that aspect, too | 22:20 |
+perlDreamer | nice work! | 22:20 |
@Haarg | yeah | 22:20 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10547 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Backporting event URL template fix. | 22:23 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, tavisto! | 22:27 |
@tavisto | howdy | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | Peter and Tim wanted me to pass on the iPhone lightsaber app to you. | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | so that you can deflect rizen's force lightning bolts when necessary | 22:30 |
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@tavisto | hehe nice! | 22:36 |
@tavisto | yeah I've known about that one for some time. I think JT downloaded that awhile back too | 22:36 |
@tavisto | have your boys acquired a super-monkey-ball device (aka iphone) yet? :) | 22:37 |
dreamersgirl | not yet | 22:37 |
dreamersgirl | one of our friends at church entertains them regularly with his iphone, though | 22:38 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10548 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 22:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Fix HEAD link issues with RssFeed with exporting. | 22:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Refactor the module so that getting the feed url will return | 22:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: the static URL when exporting. | 22:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10549 /WebGUI/t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t: Add tests for the export mode get*FeedUrl. | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | no one is going to go through the hassle of doing UPS shipping | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | I've been filling out web forms to get a development license for 10 minutes, and I'm STILL not done | 22:52 |
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dreamersgirl | bopbop, you awake? :) | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | make that 30 minutes | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | grrr | 23:19 |
@preaction | grrr! | 23:21 |
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+perlDreamer | bbl, lunch break | 23:37 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10550 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm: Reverting patch for Account/Friends. | 00:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10551 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Account/Friends.pm: reverting Account/Friends patch. | 00:00 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10552 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Fixed a bug in the YUI simple editor for survey editing which was leaking memory. Also improved the object edit templates. | 00:00 |
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+perlDreamer | Is there someone with a dev box and the WRE willing to run a test for so that I can close out a bug? | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | you'd need HEAD branch of SVN | 01:20 |
@preaction | one sec | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | I just committed the tests, so be sure to update | 01:22 |
@preaction | which test? | 01:23 |
@preaction | ooh you committed the story manager? noice | 01:23 |
+perlDreamer | yes, on Friday | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | please crawl and critique | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | uh, except for the interface, which is known to be ugly | 01:25 |
* perlDreamer is waiting for the designers to address that issue | 01:25 | |
+perlDreamer | then I'm going to look at what they did, and learn | 01:26 |
@preaction | yeah, our designers are geniuses | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | they're not as good as the devs, but they're close | 01:26 |
@preaction | which test? | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | t/Search.t | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | it has regex wildcards in it | 01:29 |
@preaction | PASS | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | how do we resolve that against this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10211 | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | the bug was posted against 7.5 | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | but I can't see that code being that different in 7.6/7 | 01:30 |
@preaction | see line 382 in WebGUI::Search for why | 01:31 |
@preaction | the test is wrong | 01:31 |
@preaction | (is testing incorrectly) | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | that makes sense | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | so stopwords works fine | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | it's just _search that's the problem | 01:32 |
@preaction | well no, the problem is the metachars are not being escaped from the user | 01:33 |
@preaction | but that's made worse by us allowing the use of MySQL fulltext search options in our search | 01:33 |
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* perlDreamer is still confused. | 01:35 | |
@preaction | we can't just quotemeta the whole thing | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | then why can't I duplicate the problem on webgui.org by searching for friends* | 01:35 |
@preaction | try friends? | 01:35 |
@preaction | or "friends+" | 01:36 |
@preaction | friends* is handled by line 386 | 01:36 |
@preaction | er. | 01:36 |
@preaction | 368 | 01:36 |
@Haarg | why can't we quotemeta the whole thing? | 01:37 |
@preaction | except for the * added by line 383?" | 01:38 |
@preaction | i guess i'm wrong really | 01:38 |
@preaction | er... what IS that * on line 383 of lib/WebGUI/Search.pm? | 01:39 |
+perlDreamer | it's doing a SQL regex | 01:40 |
@Haarg | the problem is if you do a search like 'maybe?*' | 01:41 |
@Haarg | because that's not a valid regex | 01:41 |
@Haarg | if someone tries to do a complex search against a stopword, there's really not anything we can do about it | 01:43 |
@Haarg | unless we want to convert the incoming string from a mysql match string to a perl regex | 01:44 |
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+perlDreamer | be right back, have to teach a quick lesson in fractions | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | note for future reference, M&M's make great teaching illustrations for fractions | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | if short lived | 02:02 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10553 /WebGUI/t/Search.t: Add a Search test, to check for wildcards and stopwords. | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | l8r guys | 02:04 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10554 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.6.21-7.6.22.pl changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed #10193: matrix/broken save - maximum group field | 03:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: patspam * r10555 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 03:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Improved Survey template so that bottom of page/submit button can be | 03:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: skinned when questions don't validate. Added js to scroll page to | 03:46 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: highest invalid question (e.g. lowest y-coord) | 03:46 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10556 /translations/German/German/Asset_Subscription.pm: Update from translation server | 04:15 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10557 /translations/German/German/Asset_ThingyRecord.pm: Update from translation server | 04:15 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: translation * r10558 /translations/German/German/Asset_AdSku.pm: Update from translation server | 04:15 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10559 /WebGUI/t/Search.t: Add 1 more test to _isStopword | 04:59 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: how did ad-tech go? | 05:25 |
@rizen | we'll see | 06:58 |
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@rizen | see how many webinars tavis gets | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | there must have been a lot of visitors to the booth | 06:59 |
@rizen | we got rid of 2000 gooeys | 07:50 |
@rizen | so that's something | 07:50 |
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SynQ | boo! | 13:56 |
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ryuu_ro | bee | 14:07 |
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+perlDreamer | bartjol! | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | how's the house coming? | 17:53 |
@preaction | anyone know the status of this bug? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9856 | 18:00 |
+perlDreamer | um, no | 18:00 |
+perlDreamer | is kristi's site open for double checking? | 18:01 |
@preaction | let me find out | 18:02 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10560 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed #10184: Matrix 2.0 - Version Tag Duplicate Type | 19:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10561 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm): fixed #10184: Matrix 2.0 - Version Tag Duplicate Type | 19:26 |
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+perlDreamer | good luck, preaction | 19:41 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: paul * r10562 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: Changed Thingy search to use GET instead of POST | 19:55 |
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topsub | Do assets ever expire out of the search index table? Or are they ever deleted? | 20:19 |
@preaction | when the asset itself is deleted, its entry in the index should be deleted | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | is that handled by the purge method? | 20:19 |
@preaction | otherwise no | 20:19 |
topsub | preaction, ah that makes sence.. In our custom search macros we do logic to say if the date is pasted don't show it. | 20:20 |
topsub | So if reindexing the site won't remove it. Is there a way to get webgui to skip it? Or in our indexContent function we need to do logic to have it skip it? | 20:20 |
@preaction | indexContent sub | 20:21 |
topsub | we have a custom asset called "webinars" which have times and dates setup of these events. Whats happening is someone is searching the site and finding old expired events and we think its do to the asset being indexed | 20:21 |
topsub | so it sounds like we need to add the logic to the indexContent sub | 20:22 |
@preaction | you'll want a workflow activity to remove them from the index then | 20:22 |
@preaction | or some event that gets triggered when a webinar should be removed from the index | 20:23 |
topsub | we had a thought if we re-run the indexer script it would call this function and remove the entry.. but seems thats not it | 20:23 |
topsub | hmm workflow sounds good. Just write a workflow to pull all the webinars in the system and see if they are still active? if they are past the event date then remove them from the index database table? | 20:24 |
@preaction | right | 20:24 |
topsub | if there are 500 webinars in the database it seems the workflow would get slower and slower | 20:26 |
topsub | or take longer and longer to work | 20:26 |
topsub | i wonder if at some point we should just delete the assets instead of just hiding them. | 20:26 |
topsub | Right now they add the assets but we hide them when the date passes and never deletes them | 20:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: paul * r10563 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: That last Thingy fix was on the wrong line. Fixed | 20:42 |
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@preaction | topsub: i would keep them, don't you attach transcripts to them maybe? or some other way for them to be useful in the future | 20:53 |
@preaction | for example, we offered our webinars through lulu for a while | 20:53 |
topsub | not sure.. something we will have to discuss with the client | 20:53 |
@preaction | sell subscriptions to "The Archives" | 20:54 |
@preaction | or offer The Archives free with a package of webinars or something | 20:54 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10564 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixing an IE javascript error on Matrix compare screen | 21:47 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10565 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixing an IE javascript error on Matrix compare screen | 22:01 |
topsub | I have a wiki page and i think for some reason all the yahoo JS files aren't being included as i get http://webgui.pastebin.com/m79f40fb1 in the error console in FF. | 22:22 |
topsub | Any ideas? | 22:22 |
+perlDreamer | topsub, is it using the default template? | 22:25 |
topsub | checking now | 22:25 |
topsub | hmm nope its not.. good call something must be missing? | 22:25 |
+perlDreamer | I'd check the extraHeadTags | 22:25 |
topsub | i just added a new wiki with all defaults and it working.. so the template must be to blame | 22:26 |
+perlDreamer | which version? | 22:26 |
topsub | this site is 7.5.40 | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | from SVN, or downloaded as a package? | 22:27 |
topsub | this is a live running site that i was told the wiki was messed up on today and to look at it.. haha | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | gotcha | 22:28 |
topsub | both wiki are using the same style template | 22:29 |
topsub | seems the custom "page template" is to blame | 22:29 |
topsub | yep, yui/build/element/element-beta-min.js was missing from an include.. woot fixed! thanks pd! | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome :) | 22:33 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10566 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #10182: Matrix 2.0 - Comparison view broken in IE 6 & 7 | 22:43 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: yung * r10567 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10182: Matrix 2.0 - Comparison view broken in IE 6 & 7 | 22:58 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10568 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update code to match new RssFeed API w.r.t exporting. | 23:57 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: paul * r10569 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: added a template var to Thingy View Thing for fieldType | 23:57 |
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metanil | how can i get the list of queued mail, (thats supposed to send by workflow)?? | 00:14 |
metanil | Workflow SendQueuedMailMessages suppose to that right? | 00:17 |
metanil | but i don't whether it is being executed or not. | 00:17 |
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+perlDreamer | Haarg, should all i18n modules have a use utf8 in them? | 01:49 |
@Haarg | it doesn't matter for core modules since we don't have any non-ascii characters that i am aware of | 01:50 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 01:50 |
@Haarg | any time a non-ascii character is used though, it either needs to be done in escaped form or the module needs to have use utf8 | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | in the core i18n that shouldn't be a problem | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | I was just making a new i18n module for contract, and got to thinking about it | 01:51 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10570 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/PassiveAnalytics/Rule.pm: Correct bad POD. | 02:11 |
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@frodwith | Perldreamer says if I add new template variables I should add info to the help files, but I have no idea what he's talking about and he's gone off into the ether now. | 04:24 |
@frodwith | anyone? | 04:24 |
+patspam | he means all template variables are supposed to documented in WebGUI::Help | 04:24 |
+patspam | if you have a look inside that namespace you'll see one file per wobject etc.. | 04:25 |
@frodwith | ah so | 04:25 |
@frodwith | thank you | 04:25 |
+patspam | np :) | 04:25 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: paul * r10571 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Thingy.pm i18n/English/Asset_Thingy.pm): Help for the template variable I added earlier | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, frodwith :) | 04:40 |
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+perlDreamer | bbl | 05:03 |
knowmad | good evening | 05:03 |
knowmad | does anyone know if there's a way to get the date a message was added to the mailQueue via SQL? | 05:04 |
knowmad | it looks like it gets appended to the msg headers but that's not easily managed by SQL queries | 05:05 |
+perlDreamer | nope, just those three fields | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | messageId, toGroup and message | 05:09 |
knowmad | no relations to other tables, eh? | 05:09 |
+perlDreamer | none | 05:10 |
knowmad | bummer; thanks pd | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | it would be a nice RFE to have a datestamp in there | 05:10 |
knowmad | ok, i'll add one then | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | then we could have a workflow to tell us when the send email workflow isn't working... | 05:10 |
+perlDreamer | knowmad, and since tomorrow is RFE day, if you sent a patch with that it could go right in | 05:11 |
knowmad | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10285 | 05:14 |
knowmad | wow, it's already RFE day again! | 05:14 |
knowmad | i need to get those on my schedule so that i can join in one the fun; prob. not going to have time to whip up a patch before tomorrow though :( | 05:15 |
knowmad | perlDreamer: your comment about notifying of when email isn't working was my thinking behind sorting on date | 05:16 |
knowmad | we're having such a problem on a 7.5 install; going to upgrade to 7.5.40 this week in hopes of a fix | 05:16 |
knowmad | also considering patching wremonitor to have it notify us if there are more than 100 messages in the mailQueue | 05:17 |
+perlDreamer | got a kid in the shower, so I gotta be quick | 05:19 |
+perlDreamer | the situation is this, knowmad | 05:19 |
+perlDreamer | it's a posted but | 05:19 |
+perlDreamer | I spent 4 hours on 1 guy's system and the problem was bad apache config for the WRE | 05:19 |
+perlDreamer | most people fix it with a cron script to restart spectre every 4-6 hours | 05:19 |
+perlDreamer | but what it really needs is someone with the problem who is willing to chase it down and find out what's really going on | 05:20 |
+perlDreamer | the symptoms are simple | 05:20 |
+perlDreamer | no email goes out | 05:20 |
+perlDreamer | because the nextActivityId in the WorkflowInstance is blank | 05:20 |
+perlDreamer | but no one understands why it gets set/left blank in the first place | 05:20 |
+perlDreamer | or why spectre gets hung up on that | 05:20 |
knowmad | ahh, thanks for the hint | 05:21 |
knowmad | we're able to get it to kick off by manually running the workflow; then things seem to get back to normal | 05:21 |
+perlDreamer | right, but it's that stuck state that's worrisome | 05:21 |
knowmad | yes, indeed! | 05:22 |
+perlDreamer | anyway, if you wanted to try and diagnose it on your current system, I'd offer to help you | 05:22 |
+perlDreamer | (sometime after my son gets out of the shower :) | 05:22 |
+perlDreamer | bbl | 05:22 |
knowmad | unfortunately, i don't have a clogged queue at this time | 05:27 |
knowmad | next time i see it, i'll see if i can catch you on IRC | 05:27 |
knowmad | we had over 250 msgs in the backlog today | 05:27 |
knowmad | ttyl | 05:27 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10572 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (PassiveAnalytics/Flow.pm i18n/English/PassiveAnalytics.pm): Adding missing i18n to PassiveAnalytics | 07:43 |
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@tavisto | hey patspam! | 08:36 |
@tavisto | Does RMIT mean anything to you? | 08:36 |
Radix_wrk | Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology | 08:37 |
+patspam | tavisto: heya! | 08:37 |
+patspam | we've work with some researchers based at RMIT | 08:37 |
@tavisto | we got a webinar request today from a guy there | 08:38 |
@tavisto | Ben Liquete | 08:38 |
+patspam | fantastic! which department/faculty? | 08:39 |
+patspam | "Research Investment Funds" | 08:40 |
@tavisto | I don't have those details unfortunately | 08:40 |
@tavisto | just name, phone number, and request to join webinar | 08:40 |
+patspam | http://www.rmit.org.au/browse/About%20RMIT%2FContact%20Us%2FStaff%2Fby%20campus%2FUnknown%2FL%2F;ID=t9b72qc8ky5r;STATUS=A?QRY=benes&STYPE=PEOPLE | 08:41 |
@tavisto | I'm sure I'll have to do a private webinar with him due to the time difference. Pretty standard | 08:42 |
@tavisto | hmm interesting department to contact us about web stuff | 08:42 |
+patspam | if it helps at all, you can mention that moodswings.net.au is a (webgui powered) RMIT PhD project | 08:44 |
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@tavisto | patspam, that's great! I will do that. I may also use you as a reference if you're okay with that. | 09:10 |
+patspam | for sure | 09:10 |
@tavisto | I'm sure you could definitely help sell him on WebGUI :( | 09:11 |
@tavisto | :) | 09:11 |
@tavisto | nite all! | 09:13 |
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ryuu_ro | hi all, | 13:54 |
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ryuu_ro | i'm using xml::twig to process a 4gb xml file | 13:54 |
ryuu_ro | but when I run it with the wre perl I get a memory leak | 13:55 |
ryuu_ro | if I use the normal perl everything is ok | 13:55 |
ryuu_ro | any ideas? | 13:55 |
ryuu_ro | perl version is 5.10 btw | 13:56 |
+BartJol | sorry ryuu_ro, dunno | 14:04 |
ryuu_ro | no worries, just hoping someone else will | 14:06 |
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carogray | Good morning, good day to others, I am still - forever- working on "email a friend" form..: the ^env(http_referer); does not renew, refresh,quickly enough. | 16:31 |
carogray | If I am on a page - say domestic-violence/schools and i want to share the page with a friend, i click on the email button, I come to a form that asks me for my email address and my friend's email addres that includes the URL of the page i was just looking at and i wanted to share with my friend. | 16:32 |
carogray | Then I want to look at more pages on the website, say I look at domestic-violence/school-officials-checklist. I click the email button, I come to the form, but instead of giving me the URL for the domestic-violence/school-officials-checklist page, the form still shows the URL for the domestic-violence/schools page. Is there anything I can do at my end - admin end- not PB server end - to get the URL that is sent along to refresh more qu | 16:35 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: jt * r10574 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): rfe: Button to Turn Admin Off on Admin Accordian (#475) | 17:43 |
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+crythias | woah. | 17:43 |
@rizen | preaction, steveo_aa,plainhao, frodwidth,khenn, you guys are all working on rfe's today, right? | 17:43 |
+crythias | I never look at the irc list and ... bam | 17:43 |
@rizen | bam? | 17:44 |
+crythias | yeah. just. wow. | 17:44 |
deafferret | plowie! | 17:44 |
@preaction | rizen: yes. once i'm out of this meeting they'll all be working on RFEs | 17:44 |
+crythias | zing! | 17:44 |
+Radix_ | kapow! | 17:44 |
@rizen | am i in a 1960's episode of batman? | 17:44 |
+crythias | Holy rfe, rizenman! | 17:44 |
SynQ1 | whaoe! | 17:45 |
SynQ1 | is there an RFE for the WRE? | 17:45 |
@rizen | i'm sure there are dozens maybe hundreds SynQ1 | 17:46 |
SynQ1 | wow | 17:46 |
SynQ1 | tomorrow is a national holliday here | 17:46 |
SynQ1 | queens day | 17:47 |
@rizen | cool. happy holiday | 17:47 |
SynQ1 | thanks | 17:48 |
topsub | hello everyone! | 17:52 |
* deafferret waves | 17:53 | |
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SynQ1 | bye | 17:59 |
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+perlDreamer | bye | 18:02 |
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daviddelikat | perlDreamer: got time for a question? | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | sure, daviddelikat | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | ask away | 18:37 |
daviddelikat | when we talked about the workflow bug last week ( or was it two weeks ) | 18:38 |
daviddelikat | you mentioned that there was | 18:38 |
daviddelikat | a configuration issue on the site that had the problem | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 18:38 |
+perlDreamer | on 1 site with the problem | 18:38 |
daviddelikat | can you give me some details about the config issu | 18:38 |
daviddelikat | yes I understand it was just one of the sites | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | cool, just so it's clear | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | for this site, www.site.com worked fine | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | but www.site.com:8081 went to another site | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | spectre used that 8081 port to bypass the proxy server | 18:39 |
+perlDreamer | so it was getting cron information for two sites | 18:40 |
daviddelikat | so does spectre listen on 8081? | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | once I found that problem, and the user fixed it on his site, then his spectre email workflow stopped hanging | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | no, spectre talked on 8081 to the mod_perl instance of apache, and then gets sent back a JSON blob of info | 18:41 |
daviddelikat | so 8081 is apache and they had it setup as a differnet site | 18:42 |
daviddelikat | the original bug report for this had two situations where this was showing up | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | right | 18:43 |
daviddelikat | first was from an upgreade | 18:43 |
daviddelikat | the other was from an SMTP error | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | no, not quite. The original poster noticed his after an upgrade, but it happens frequently on that site after an upgrade. | 18:44 |
daviddelikat | so I'm thinking that the thing that these three might have in comon is an invalid value | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | the second poster was the one that I helped | 18:45 |
daviddelikat | in the nextinstanceid field | 18:45 |
daviddelikat | if it starts out as invalid, then perhaps the next step is blank. | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | that's worth looking into. | 18:46 |
daviddelikat | i can't figure out how to replicate it though | 18:46 |
+perlDreamer | no, that's the problem | 18:46 |
daviddelikat | how does this tuff get created? | 18:46 |
daviddelikat | tuff==stuff | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | we need someone who experiences this problem regularly to volunteer their site for diagnostics | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | which is how I helped that 2nd guy | 18:47 |
+perlDreamer | I told him if he'd volunteer his site, I'd fix the problem | 18:47 |
daviddelikat | sorry not sure how that helps | 18:49 |
daviddelikat | volunteer for what? | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | to let me play with it | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | I stuck in a ton of debugging print statements, and kept tracing the problem back until I found the cause for his site | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | but I think his issue was atypical for this problem | 18:50 |
daviddelikat | so when you do debug prints like that where do you print to? | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | in spectre I just used $log->debug | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | which went to the screen when you run spectre in debug mode | 18:51 |
daviddelikat | is that what shows up at the bottom of each page? | 18:52 |
daviddelikat | ok | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | no, that's a separate debug output just for WebGUI | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | I think spectre debug also goes into webgui.log, but it's worth double checking that | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, the other issue is that people are working around this bug with external cron jobs that restart spectre every 4-6 hours | 18:53 |
+perlDreamer | which deprive us of opportunities to debug this | 18:53 |
daviddelikat | so restarting spectre will clear this out? | 18:53 |
+perlDreamer | yes, it's supposed to | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | which kind of says the problem may not be found in WebGUI, or the db | 18:54 |
daviddelikat | does it reload the activity schedule? | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | on startup? I think so | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | pbworkflow0000000007 is called by a cron job | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | and it has just 1 workflow activity in it | 18:54 |
daviddelikat | send queued messages | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | and it's a singleton workflow | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | right | 18:55 |
daviddelikat | being extrremely short makes it hard to track | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | the interesting thing about dhuggins bug post is that it came right after ALL maintenance workflows were set to singleton | 18:55 |
* perlDreamer suspects (with no evidence, only hunch) that the problem is in how spectre deals with singleton workflows | 18:55 | |
daviddelikat | so this didn't happen before? | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | oh no, send queued messages has been a problem for a long time | 18:56 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, is story manager fully functional at this point? | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | yes, Haarg. | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | it needs nice templates, though | 18:57 |
@Haarg | yeah | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | current set of templates work, but they're bare bones | 18:57 |
@Haarg | have someone i want to point to the beta demo once it's patched | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 18:58 |
daviddelikat | so what is the differnece now that it is a singlton? | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | it has always been a singleton, but now all the others are too | 19:00 |
@Haarg | actually, i'm pretty sure they were singleton as well for new sites for quite a while | 19:01 |
daviddelikat | so we want to make sure non of the others start doing the same thing? | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | exactly, daviddelikat | 19:02 |
daviddelikat | this is all very usefull; thanks | 19:02 |
daviddelikat | gives me more ideas of what to look for. | 19:03 |
* perlDreamer wishes he had more than idle speculation to share with you | 19:03 | |
daviddelikat | speculation with history is better than speculaation alone | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | it's weird talking about myself in the third person, maybe I'm becoming Bob Dole :) | 19:03 |
daviddelikat | just don't start talking about other people int he first person | 19:04 |
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elnino_ | do I need to run the cron for wremonitor in the sytemwide cron? | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | yes, that's what the wiki says | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | step 12 | 19:11 |
elnino_ | Hi perlDreameer!!! actually, step 12 doesn't have a user specified, which to mean sounds like I don't? | 19:12 |
elnino_ | I have it running in root's crontab | 19:13 |
elnino_ | but I think I fixed my problem... | 19:13 |
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+perlDreamer | oh, I see. System cron vs root's cron | 19:13 |
elnino_ | I just have to wait a couple minues to find out.. =) | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | I was thinking Spectre Cron vs unix cron | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | my bad | 19:14 |
elnino_ | np | 19:14 |
elnino_ | I usually put it in the system cron, and I just moved it to root's. | 19:14 |
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elnino_ | so.. Looking at logrotate.pl... it's looking at /var/logs My system has /var/log.. what is it (normally) supposed to be | 19:15 |
elnino_ | ? | 19:15 |
elnino_ | is the location different between distros? | 19:15 |
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+perlDreamer | I'd think you'd point it to /data/wre/var/logs, but that's a pure guess | 19:16 |
elnino_ | is there any documentation as to what these three crons actually do? I don't see anything on the wiki. | 19:17 |
elnino_ | oh. I see. | 19:19 |
carogray | Help please! | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | what's up carogray? | 19:24 |
carogray | we have our infamous tell a friend form | 19:24 |
carogray | w/ v. powerful env macro | 19:25 |
carogray | one problem we have been trying to get PB to help us with is it will not renew/refresh from one page to the next. ie if visiting dv and schools page you can send the URL to a friend with the form, then when you visit the dv schools homeless children page, and want to share that page, form still sends remembered dv and schools - they are looking into it, | 19:26 |
carogray | BUT | 19:26 |
carogray | my editor cannot even SEE the tell a friend form at all | 19:26 |
carogray | on either IE or FF | 19:26 |
carogray | we have cleared caches, deleted temp Internet files etc. | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | the PB guys are top notch, they'll get it figured out | 19:27 |
carogray | other people in the office can see hte form | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | the editor is a particular user of the website? | 19:28 |
carogray | I know PB guys are top notch and very helpful and everything, but I can't figure out why he can't even see the page - or the form rather, | 19:28 |
carogray | yep. | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | he can see other pages? | 19:28 |
carogray | yep | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | what happens when he goes to that page? | 19:28 |
carogray | He sees banner and breadcrumb, but no form | 19:28 |
carogray | go to any www.masslegalhelp.org page - except home | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | do you have restrictive permission set on the actual form? | 19:28 |
carogray | will check but can't imagine restrictive permission is set for him when "everyone" can see form | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | which operating system is editor using? | 19:29 |
carogray | windows XP same as everyone else in office | 19:30 |
carogray | no security is for everyone | 19:31 |
carogray | I mean, "No, restrictive permissions not on form. Security who can view? is e/one" | 19:31 |
carogray | ooh this is weird! | 19:32 |
carogray | I just became him - as user that is | 19:32 |
carogray | now I cannot see the form! | 19:32 |
daviddelikat | I can't see the form | 19:32 |
carogray | how can this be | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | I can see the form | 19:32 |
daviddelikat | where is it supposed to be? | 19:32 |
carogray | go to any MLH page, i.e. www.masslegalhelp.org/domestic-violence | 19:33 |
carogray | click on email - upper right | 19:33 |
carogray | should get form | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | carogray, I think you need to find out exactly which versions of IE and FF are being used | 19:33 |
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daviddelikat | now i see it | 19:33 |
carogray | yah - but what do you think - if I am on my computer - that does see form.. | 19:34 |
daviddelikat | so as editor do you see the 'email' link? | 19:34 |
carogray | I am logged in as me, but go to users and become him | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | is there something about his account? A local plugin, a configuration value ...? | 19:34 |
carogray | I see the email link, but when I click and go to form from link...empty page.. or banner and breadcrumb, but no page. | 19:35 |
carogray | this is on my computer where I can see the page | 19:35 |
carogray | whether logged in or no | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | view the source of that page | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | the HTML source | 19:35 |
carogray | only code for banner and breadcrumb - nothing for form | 19:35 |
carogray | yah I know I already tried that | 19:35 |
carogray | empty | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | if other users can see it, it has to be a local user problem | 19:38 |
daviddelikat | does it have the </html> bit at the end? | 19:38 |
daviddelikat | brb | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | elnino_, re your RFE, see the Asset History table, and upgrade to 7.7 quickly so you can start using the awesome powers of the Asset History browser. | 19:38 |
carogray | local user meaning physical computer he is on - or something to do with the user group to which he belongs. like content manager | 19:39 |
carogray | or maybe even UI setting? | 19:39 |
elnino_ | yep. I very much look forward to upgrading... but I'm moving sites bewteen servers, so I'm a bit stuck on a particular version at the moment. | 19:39 |
elnino_ | thank you all for working so hard on my rfes!! | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | carogray, when you say you go to users and become him, you're saying you do this in WebGUI? | 19:40 |
elnino_ | does the backup.pl use the wre.conf backup user to do the backups? When I create databases, do I need to give that user read-only access? | 19:43 |
carogray | yes | 19:45 |
carogray | He is in the editors group. | 19:45 |
carogray | I just "became" another editor. | 19:45 |
carogray | as the other editor I could see the form! !!!!!? | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | then it's tied to his WebGUI user account | 19:46 |
carogray | sorry not shouting, just going crazy | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | check out his profile and group settings in the User Manager | 19:46 |
carogray | yep, he is in 4 groups wouldn't the group with the most permissions not be overruled by groups by fewer permissions? | 19:48 |
carogray | the other editor is not in all the groups he is in | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | carogray, that would be correct | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | how about the UI level? | 19:49 |
carogray | 9 - Guru | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | errors in the log file? | 19:49 |
carogray | uh oh - now we are getting over my head... | 19:49 |
carogray | hang on, I have another idea about something....something that will complicate matters further, but give us more info...have to run down to his office | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | elnino_, you are a wiki documenting fiendess! | 19:51 |
elnino_ | yeah, until I found out I don't get karma. =( lol | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | that can be fixed... | 19:51 |
elnino_ | I try to document, it's mostly for me.. I don't have any good system otherwise. | 19:52 |
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elnino_ | I dont' know if any of it is accurate either.. Wouldn't mind having a proof reader.... | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | I know that preaction, knowmad and several others look at wiki content. You're not out there alone. | 19:53 |
carogray | ok - me back again - he can't see the other email forms if he is logged in either. | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | well, at least he's consistent | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | is this a new user account, or an old one? | 19:57 |
carogray | old - one of the first | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | has something changed recently? | 19:57 |
carogray | we upgraded...2 weeks before we upgraded he did send an email using the email form | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | carogray, I'm stumped | 20:01 |
carogray | hah - that makes me feel betterO:-) | 20:01 |
carogray | I guess I will send this problem on to our PB friends as well. | 20:01 |
carogray | thanks for trying | 20:02 |
carogray | hah - he WAS in the group site-wide editors. | 20:04 |
carogray | just took him out of that group - became him and NOW he/I can see the form! | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | what are the viewing permissions on that form? | 20:05 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI's permissions don't allow exclusion, only inclusion | 20:05 |
elnino_ | perlDreamer - do I have you to thank for the karma? or did the system do it? | 20:05 |
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+perlDreamer | it were I | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | I have to do _something_ useful with all that karma | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise I'd just blow it on Gooey dolls | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | and webgui stickers for my lunchbox | 20:07 |
elnino_ | =) well, thank you.. I wasn't beggign for it.. I thought at one time, the website allotted karma at one time. But maybe it's only given on rfes and bug reports I create. | 20:07 |
elnino_ | Anna can say octapus when she sees my gooey doll. Quite impressive for a 2 year old. | 20:07 |
elnino_ | I think at least. | 20:08 |
@preaction | i agree | 20:08 |
@preaction | she's 2 already? wow | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, that user just emailed me back and told me the problem was back | 20:08 |
elnino_ | yep. 2 1/4 | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | so I'm just peeling the onion | 20:08 |
elnino_ | I finally got pictures taken. | 20:08 |
daviddelikat | perlDreamer: so it is more than the spectre thing... | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | more than the apache config problem | 20:10 |
daviddelikat | yeah that... | 20:10 |
daviddelikat | when can we/you look at it? | 20:10 |
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elnino_ | oh. I got an email saying that you gave me karma. cool. | 20:10 |
* perlDreamer is completely booked for the next two weeks | 20:10 | |
+perlDreamer | until May 15 | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | after that I may have time to tinker with it again | 20:11 |
daviddelikat | k | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | this is what I did | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | I added a bunch of debug statements to WebGUI, Workflow/Instance.pm and had it only print when processing that workflow, which keeps the volume down | 20:11 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10575 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): | 20:11 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: Add an option to the Sku to require individual shipping of this sku, separate | 20:11 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: from other items in the cart. Update the FlatRate driver to support calculating that. | 20:11 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: frank * r10576 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm: Search now performs a GET rather than a POST | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | most of the statements were inside the run method | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | but I added some to SendQueuedMessages as well, just saying what the state was when it finished | 20:12 |
* elnino_ is going to eat lunch now. | 20:13 | |
+perlDreamer | then, restart spectre and webgui, and start fishing the logs | 20:13 |
daviddelikat | thanks PD... i'll see if that helps flush out some flakey behaviour. | 20:16 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, you around? | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | here | 21:11 |
@Haarg | http://gist.github.com/103936 | 21:11 |
@Haarg | a lot of the changes in t/Mail/Send.t are cleanups, but the changes in t/smtpd.pl and the END block of the test are the important parts | 21:12 |
@Haarg | thoughts? | 21:12 |
+perlDreamer | chatting with the boss, I'll check soon | 21:13 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, I like it all | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | dynamic paths | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | using lexical filehandles | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | and not requiring the daemon to count messages anymore | 21:42 |
@Haarg | yeah | 21:42 |
@Haarg | that's the main thing i wanted | 21:42 |
daviddelikat | any body know if it is possible to render an html table with the headers on the left? | 21:42 |
@Haarg | i ran into a bug where i have emailToLog set in my config, and the test was resetting to that value prematurely | 21:43 |
@Haarg | so it was hanging | 21:43 |
@Haarg | i might try to do something about that as well so it fails instead | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | will that be part of the config file restore idea? | 21:44 |
@Haarg | not exactly | 21:45 |
@Haarg | well, that will impact it | 21:45 |
@Haarg | but i mean fixing the test so it doesn't hang if smtpd.pl doesn't recieve a message | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | ah, I see | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | do a fork and a timeout of some kind? | 21:46 |
@Haarg | not sure | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | time for me to go running | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | haven't gone in about a week, and I'm feeling better from being sick | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | so I'll be back later | 21:47 |
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@preaction | does WebGUI::Asset->update handle properties/columns that do not exist? or if i add a property to templates, will that create an upgrade step? | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | Asset.pm, like 2340 | 23:51 |
@preaction | somehow i think that should use a stow or cache or something | 23:52 |
Chizad | With dynamic SQL reports, do ALL of the form fields have to be filled in? | 23:57 |
@preaction | Chizad: what happens when you leave one out? | 23:57 |
Chizad | I get an empty result set. | 23:58 |
@preaction | did you turn debugging on? should the query return that? | 23:58 |
Chizad | Okay, now I'm confused. | 23:59 |
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Chizad | A few minutes ago, it wasn't returning any results unless all form fields in the query were filled in. | 00:00 |
Chizad | I just turned debugging on and tried the same exact query and it appears to be working. | 00:00 |
@preaction | yeah, now i'm confused too | 00:02 |
Chizad | Nevermind then, it seems to be working fine. | 00:02 |
@preaction | is the results being caches? | 00:02 |
Chizad | Guess I just needed to ask the question to get it to start behaving | 00:02 |
Chizad | I don't have caching enabled for this report (yet); if I turn that on will it also show up in the debug section so I can make sure it's working? | 00:03 |
@preaction | no, but caching could have caused the result you saw (a former version not working, and the new version working) | 00:04 |
Chizad | I think part of it was my query; I'm starting to try and convert a webapp my predecessor here built into a sql report, so I took took the sql from there and then converted the variables into placeholder params | 00:06 |
Chizad | The old setup had the first field as a simple = comparison, while the rest were LIKE comparisons, and it was happy with it. | 00:07 |
Chizad | But in the SQL report, once it started to work, a quick test showed that if I left the first field blank I wouldn't get any results back, but it worked fine if I filled in the first field and some but not all of the others. | 00:08 |
Chizad | So now I've just got them all as LIKEs and it's doing what I want. | 00:09 |
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@preaction | Chizad: if you don't mind my asking, i haven't seen you in here much: how are you using WebGUI? intranet, extranet, website? | 00:16 |
* perlDreamer heads off to do some shipping research | 00:17 | |
+perlDreamer | apparently the USPS refuses to put information on their website | 00:18 |
@preaction | ooh, you're doing that for us? | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | who me? | 00:18 |
@preaction | i thought Tom Suchy was doing that | 00:18 |
@preaction | couldn't be | 00:18 |
Chizad | pre: intranet | 00:19 |
@preaction | nice, mind if i ask for whom? have you added yourself to WebGUI Sightings on webgui.org? | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | would that work for an intranet? | 00:20 |
@preaction | oh, heh. | 00:21 |
@preaction | maybe | 00:21 |
Chizad | Yeah, right now we've got static HTML and a handful of db search pages my predecessor put together and it's not been working because all changes had to go through the IT dept. | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | oy, that's no good at all | 00:21 |
@preaction | HGSI? | 00:21 |
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Chizad | And my employer is Van Keppel; we're a construction equipment/forklift dealer here in the midwest US. | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | okay I'm really heading off now | 00:24 |
+perlDreamer | be back in an hour or so | 00:24 |
@preaction | Chizad: thanks, let us know how it goes. we're here for any questions of course | 00:26 |
Chizad | Will do; we just finished some brief introductory training sessions for our content managers, so we're just starting the process of getting everything converted over. | 00:28 |
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CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10577 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Added #10145: Global Head Tags in Settings | 01:12 |
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@Haarg | well that's annoying. have to break api compatibility on WGDev::Command::Base. | 01:33 |
@Haarg | i guess i should be a bit more careful about that | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | why for? | 01:34 |
@Haarg | the way option parsing works | 01:34 |
@Haarg | for most options, it just set the value in a hash accessible through $self->option('key') | 01:34 |
@Haarg | but if a sub option_$key is defined, it calls that instead to set the option | 01:35 |
@Haarg | that's used in reset for profiles for example | 01:35 |
@Haarg | but when i did that i was forgetting about the option_config sub | 01:36 |
@Haarg | making it impossible to use the --config option to reset | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | you know, I think I came across that | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | but just didn't understand what was happening | 01:38 |
@Haarg | took me a while to track down | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | you're still before anything close to a 1.0 release | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | and the number of devs is still small | 01:38 |
@Haarg | yeah, it only really effects patspam | 01:39 |
@Haarg | going to change the subs in ::Base to config_options and config_parse_options i think | 01:41 |
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+perlDreamer | nice analysis of attempts to attack reCAPTCHA: http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/27/moot-wins-time-inc-loses/ | 02:05 |
@Haarg | patspam, http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/commit/d109aa1c4d3d56fa8ebb01ff67c142f8bd5e86f0 | 02:27 |
+patspam | api change? | 02:27 |
@Haarg | yeah | 02:28 |
@Haarg | needed for a bug fix | 02:28 |
@Haarg | not a large change, just some methods renamed | 02:28 |
+patspam | thanks for the heads up :) | 02:28 |
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+perlDreamer | dinner time for me | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | see you all again tommorrow | 02:52 |
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+BartJol | good evening everyone' | 03:22 |
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+BartJol | tavisto: still waiting | 05:45 |
+BartJol | for your comic revenge | 05:47 |
+BartJol | rizen: don't trust sarah when whe wants to kiss you | 06:01 |
+BartJol | it's from me | 06:01 |
+BartJol | can't say I didn't warn you | 06:02 |
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No1Viking | Hello guys! | 09:07 |
No1Viking | I've been looking at the webgui CMS and I have two questions | 09:08 |
No1Viking | Is it possible to use webgui with MS SQL instead of MySQL? | 09:08 |
No1Viking | Are there any migration tool to migrate from Joomla to Webgui? | 09:09 |
+Radix-wrk | no, and no afaik | 09:11 |
+Radix-wrk | but check with the PB guys who have ops.. they may be able to offer some assistance with migration.. I dunno | 09:12 |
No1Viking | Are there any translations to other languages in webgui? | 09:15 |
+Radix-wrk | definitely.. have a look at http://translation.plainblack.com/ | 09:17 |
+Radix-wrk | keep in mind also that the percentage describes the entire ui.. where you prolly only need about 10% if that for most people's user experience to be fully in that language | 09:19 |
+Radix-wrk | even less really.. there's only a handful of strings used in webgui that the average user sees | 09:20 |
No1Viking | Thanks! | 09:20 |
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No1Viking | Are there any templates out there that is possible to install instead of building one from scratch? | 09:34 |
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topsub | i'm look through the help but not finding anything. In a folder template is there a way to say if first element do this? | 17:55 |
topsub | just like how in navi template u can do page.isRankedFirst | 18:00 |
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@frodwith | topsub: I don't know jack about folder templates, but maybe <tmpl_if __FIRST__> would help? | 18:33 |
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+perlDreamer | WebGUI, how is little Emma doing? | 18:36 |
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topsub | frodwith, thanks that was it! I thought there was something like that for all assets! | 18:44 |
@preaction | is the DateTime form control supposed to not allow undefined values? | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | Is that condition checked in the test for that form control? | 18:55 |
@preaction | probably not | 18:55 |
@preaction | no, it's not | 18:55 |
@preaction | the behavior changed a while back | 18:56 |
@preaction | i could have swore we allowed blank values before | 18:56 |
@preaction | now, no matter what, it defaults to today, or now | 18:56 |
@frodwith | topsub: glad to help. :) | 19:02 |
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@tavisto | Hey gang, google alerted me to this blog about a guy trying to use WebGUI on a powermac g5 (64 bit) with Linux. Apparently he's running into some issues.. Maybe it's worth posting a response or two on. :) http://blog.louiemiranda.net/2009/04/30/webgui-cms-on-a-powermac-g5-64-bit-that-runs-linux/ | 19:13 |
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+perlDreamer | tavisto, I think I saw some issues like that posted to the forum | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | could it be the same guy? | 19:16 |
@tavisto | not sure, his name does not ring a bell to me | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | yep, it's the same guy. | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | he's very brave to try 64-bit WRE | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI/SynQ is the only guy that I know of who has done that repeatedly with any level of success. | 19:24 |
@tavisto | is it functional at this point? | 19:24 |
@tavisto | ah okay | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | I _think_ on debian | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | rizen had it working on some platforms, but not all | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | it was supposed to be a WRE 0.9 feature | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | but will now wait for 1.0 | 19:25 |
@tavisto | ah okay | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | "ah okay" is your marketing speak for "geek is talking tech to me", isn't it? :) | 19:25 |
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@tavisto | nope it's my acknowledgement that I understand what's up and am "in the know" | 19:26 |
@tavisto | "whatever becky" is what I respond with when "geek is talking tech to me" | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | lol | 19:28 |
@preaction | Haarg: are you the one doing the release today? did you have a time you wanted to do it? i've got someting i want to get in quick | 19:28 |
@Haarg | go ahead, just let me know | 19:28 |
@preaction | ok thx. | 19:28 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, in the story manager upgrade script, is there a reason you add the WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::ArchiveOldStories workflow by going through the hash instead of just using $config->addToArray? | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | does that work with a subhash? | 19:47 |
@preaction | yes, $config->addToArray("hash/array", ... ); | 19:47 |
@preaction | the / allows you to go deeper | 19:47 |
@Haarg | addToArray('workflowActivities/None', 'WebGUI::... | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | I didn't know you could do that. So, the reason would be ignorance. | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | which isn't a good one :) | 19:47 |
@preaction | eh, i didn't know until a few months ago | 19:48 |
@preaction | didn't put it together until last week ;) | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | must be time to register for Iron Man blogging, and to write this down in my blog to educate the world | 19:48 |
@Haarg | did a config reset. finding a lot of inconsistencies between WebGUI.conf.original and the upgrade scripts. :/ | 19:49 |
@preaction | that's not good | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | uh oh | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | what have I done? | 19:49 |
@preaction | and they're probably mostly my fault :p | 19:49 |
@Haarg | nothing of yours | 19:49 |
@Haarg | i just noticed that when looking through the changes | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | are you going to patch that, or would you like me to? | 19:50 |
@Haarg | i'll take care of it | 19:50 |
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+perlDreamer | deafferret, I haven't worked out in a week, so you should consider this one a freebie | 20:38 |
@preaction | uhm... what is this root/import/prop-style thing in the latest webgui svn? | 20:58 |
@preaction | "Oklahoma's Premiere Legal, Accounting, Human Resources, Marketing & Tax firm" | 20:58 |
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@preaction | Haarg: done now, but let me know before you release, maybe i can get some more stuff in quick | 21:04 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9906 <- is this your patch? do you want to add it to svn? | 21:12 |
@Haarg | preaction: shouldn't HTML::Packer or any other needed modules be added to testEnvironment ? | 21:15 |
@preaction | yes, thanks for catching that | 21:15 |
@preaction | and gotcha | 21:15 |
@preaction | one sec | 21:15 |
@preaction | Haarg: done | 21:24 |
@Haarg | does that stuff all play friendly with template variables? | 21:24 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10578 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Added: Packing of templates, snippets, and head tags. | 21:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10579 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added #9289: Extending the "Request Approval For Version Tag" activity (Bernd Kalbfu?-Zimmermann) | 21:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10580 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): some image cropper cleanups | 21:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10581 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix mismatches between upgrades and WebGUI.conf.original | 21:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10582 /WebGUI/t/ (Mail/Send.t smtpd.pl): improve handling of SMTP test server | 21:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10583 /WebGUI/ (sbin/testEnvironment.pl docs/gotcha.txt): added gotcha and testEnvironment modules | 21:25 |
@preaction | it appears to. let me make sure on TT one more time (H::T works fine) | 21:25 |
@Haarg | need to do some more cleanup on the image cropper at some point. it stores information in some odd newline separated format. | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, you can always do WebGUI::Asset::Template->getIsa to iterate over all objects of that type in the db | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | instead of building the assetIds and objects by hand | 22:10 |
@preaction | so that's a class method? | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | it will return all objects of that class, _and_ any subclasses, too | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | very, very handy for upgrades | 22:11 |
@preaction | indeed | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | (not that I'm opinionated about it or anything) | 22:13 |
@preaction | where is the branchpoint for 7.7? 7.6.15? | 22:13 |
@preaction | 7.6.14 | 22:14 |
@Haarg | preaction, you broke the tests | 22:19 |
@Haarg | like, all of them | 22:19 |
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@Haarg | template packing breaks t/Asset/Template.t t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t t/Macro/AdminToggle.t t/Macro/EditableToggle.t t/Macro/GroupAdd.t t/Macro/GroupDelete.t t/Macro/H_homeLink.t t/Macro/L_loginBox.t t/Macro/LoginToggle.t t/Macro/a_account.t t/Macro/r_printable.t | 22:31 |
@preaction | sweet | 22:31 |
@preaction | i'll take a look | 22:31 |
@preaction | Haarg: do you want to split these up, or should i just look at them? i got the first one done already | 22:34 |
@Haarg | i'm looking at the other failing tests | 22:34 |
@preaction | okay, i'll start from the bottom then | 22:34 |
@preaction | oh, the non-packing failing tests | 22:34 |
@Haarg | yeah | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | I have a dream | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | A dream of a day when developers walk hand in hand | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | They write POD for their subroutines, and run the test suite before committing | 22:36 |
@Haarg | i have a dream of a day i can figure out the buildbot documentation | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | The code maintainers walk around with smiles on their faces, knowing that their job has been made easier | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | and they can concentrate on helping people and enhancing code | 22:36 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10584 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Template.t: fix now that things are packed | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, should the templatePacked field be a noFormPost instead of hidden? | 22:47 |
@preaction | wouldn't it need to be both? it should probably have noFormPost yes | 22:47 |
@preaction | i'll add that | 22:47 |
metanil | i got --> ADMIN: Fetching site data for domain.edu.conf | 22:47 |
metanil | --> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for domain.edu.conf | 22:47 |
+perlDreamer | metanil, that's a spectre error? | 22:48 |
metanil | perlDreamer: i run spectre in debug mode .. and that all it says. | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | well, it means that there's some problem talking to that site. Check your DNS, apache configs, and domain.edu.conf and spectre.conf to make sure everything is right. | 22:49 |
metanil | the site is host on 443, but the internal perl site is 8081.. and i put 443 in spectre.conf. | 22:49 |
@preaction | check webgui.log to see if there's a reason | 22:50 |
@preaction | try wget yoursite.com?op=spectreGetSiteData to see if you get the right stuff | 22:50 |
metanil | same error --> ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for domain.edu.conf | 22:50 |
@Haarg | spectre can't connect via ssl afaik | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | there were 3 acronyms in that sentence, Haarg | 22:51 |
metanil | preaction: its in SSL | 22:51 |
@preaction | metanil: that's nice | 22:52 |
@Haarg | if you are running spectre on the same server as the site you should be able to have it connect to port 8081 | 22:52 |
metanil | preaction: it returned blank | 22:52 |
@preaction | metanil: then that's a problem | 22:53 |
metanil | but last time when i did within the same machine returned something | 22:53 |
@preaction | Haarg: the tests are fixed now, they understand that unnecessary whitespace will be removed | 22:53 |
@Haarg | spectre will always connect using http, not https | 22:53 |
metanil | preaction: its said---> attempted to Tried to make a Spectre workflow data load request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 127.0.1.1/32,127.0.0.1/32 | 22:54 |
@preaction | metanil: that's another problem | 22:54 |
metanil | hahaha | 22:54 |
@preaction | are you on the system you're trying to do this? | 22:54 |
metanil | no | 22:54 |
@preaction | then that error is a good thing | 22:55 |
metanil | :D | 22:55 |
metanil | preaction: i did wget "http://localhost:8081/?op=spectreGetSiteData".. and it return .. JSON script .. i guess | 22:57 |
@preaction | that's what you want | 22:57 |
@preaction | is spectre.conf pointed to 8081? is it binding to 127.0.0.1? | 22:57 |
@preaction | also, the mod_perl instance shouldn't kick people into SSL, only the mod_proxy instance should do so | 22:58 |
metanil | preaction: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d515acc41 | 22:58 |
@preaction | yes, that is what you want | 22:58 |
@Haarg | it sounds like you should just be able to change spectre.conf to have port 8081 instead of 443 | 22:59 |
metanil | preaction: yes 8081 is bind to localhost | 22:59 |
metanil | Haarg: i also tried that but no luck. | 22:59 |
metanil | in fact it used to be like that. | 23:00 |
metanil | anyway, i just go ahead and revert it back. | 23:00 |
@Haarg | what errors show up? | 23:00 |
@preaction | pastebin your webgui conf and spectre conf | 23:00 |
metanil | it debug mode --> --> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for domain.edu.conf | 23:00 |
@Haarg | what about the log file? | 23:01 |
@Haarg | also, have you made any modifications to the site.modperl config file? | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: do you have an uncommitted fix for using a table named Snippet in the packer upgrade subroutine? | 23:03 |
@preaction | fix? | 23:03 |
@Haarg | no | 23:03 |
@preaction | broken? | 23:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10585 /WebGUI/t/Macro/AdminToggle.t: fix now that things are packed | 23:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10586 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: Add note about packed templates to process method sub. | 23:03 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10587 /WebGUI/t/Macro/ (8 files): fix now that things are packed | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | borken | 23:03 |
@Haarg | wrong case? | 23:03 |
@preaction | what's broken? | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | wrong case | 23:04 |
@Haarg | stupid os x :/ | 23:04 |
@Haarg | also, stupid mysql | 23:04 |
@preaction | are you sure? it looks like there is no "snippet" table in my db | 23:04 |
@preaction | but there is a "Snippet" table | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | "snippet" | 23:05 |
topsub | Is there a way not to send a sales receipt when someone buys something? | 23:05 |
@Haarg | how did you create that site preaction? | 23:05 |
@preaction | using wre's addsite.pl | 23:05 |
@Haarg | it's snippet for me | 23:05 |
@preaction | and i've been using wgd reset -d a lot | 23:05 |
@Haarg | hrm | 23:05 |
* perlDreamer uses wgd reset a lot, too, but it always says snippet | 23:06 | |
@Haarg | yeah | 23:06 |
@Haarg | and that's what create.sql has | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | could one of you please fix that and commit the fix? | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | I should have branched for this latest project | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | and didn't | 23:06 |
metanil | spectre.conf: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2536fbac | 23:06 |
metanil | webgui.conf: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7a1c1f1e | 23:07 |
@preaction | i'll get it | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | so I can't commit without releasing a bunch of half-baked code | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, preaction. | 23:07 |
@preaction | done | 23:07 |
@Haarg | you need to change the port from 443 to 8081 | 23:08 |
@preaction | i would like to know why my mysql insists on keeping it uppercase | 23:08 |
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@Haarg | especially since wgd reset clears out all the tables | 23:08 |
@preaction | exactly | 23:08 |
metanil | Haarg: yes i also changed modperl config file | 23:08 |
@preaction | ... what if my ALTER TABLE is what changed the case? because now it's "snippet" | 23:09 |
@Haarg | i don't know | 23:09 |
@Haarg | that didn't happen for me, but i may be using a different mysql version | 23:09 |
@preaction | so if you're on a case insensitive file system and you use an ALTER TABLE and use the wrong case, it succeeds and changes the table's case | 23:09 |
@preaction | i am using an older WRE | 23:09 |
@preaction | 5.0.67 | 23:09 |
@Haarg | i am using mysql binaries off their site | 23:09 |
@Haarg | 5.0.67 | 23:10 |
@preaction | lam | 23:10 |
@preaction | lame | 23:10 |
@Haarg | metanil, can you pastebin your modperl and modproxy config files? | 23:11 |
@Haarg | preaction, can you test that out? | 23:11 |
metanil | Haarg: sure, hold on | 23:11 |
@preaction | Haarg: yeah, one sec | 23:11 |
@preaction | yeah, i change my alter table back to "Snippet" and the table name gets upper-cased | 23:12 |
@Haarg | odd | 23:12 |
@preaction | i missed one, so that's fixed now too | 23:12 |
metanil | Modperl.conf: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d28e03b77 | 23:14 |
metanil | modproxy.conf: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4bd3add7 | 23:14 |
@Haarg | so with that webgui config, spectre tries to connect to 'domain.edu' | 23:15 |
@Haarg | which likely won't work | 23:15 |
@Haarg | you need to have the first entry in sitename in the webgui conf be a valid hostname for the server | 23:15 |
metanil | u mean using port 443? | 23:16 |
@preaction | is "domain.edu" in your /etc/hosts as "127.0.0.1"? | 23:16 |
@Haarg | it will connect on whatever port is listed for webguiPort in spectre.conf | 23:16 |
@Haarg | which for your uses should be 8081 | 23:16 |
metanil | ok, i used to be 8081.. i jus changed it earlier .. just for test.. but the problem was same | 23:17 |
metanil | localhost --->> 127.0.0.1 | 23:18 |
metanil | domain.edu ---> 127.0.1.1 | 23:18 |
metanil | does 127.0.0.1 has be also domain.edu? | 23:18 |
@Haarg | what happens if you try wget "http://domain.edu:8081/?op=spectreGetSiteData" on the server? | 23:19 |
metanil | like i said before it works.. it retured JSON script. | 23:20 |
metanil | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d515acc41 | 23:21 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, does t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t pass for you? | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:23 |
metanil | Haarg: i think the entry in sitename at webgui.conf is valid hostname | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | from what I'm finding, I usually don't commit tests that aren't passing | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | only those that leak users and groups | 23:24 |
@Haarg | hmm | 23:24 |
@Haarg | the copyright check you added is failing for me, returning undef when the test wants an empty string | 23:24 |
@Haarg | i'm still looking into it | 23:24 |
@Haarg | metanil, yeah, it sounds like it is. i'm not certain what is going wrong. | 23:25 |
@Haarg | do you get anything in the logs? | 23:25 |
+perlDreamer | copyright check? | 23:25 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10588 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.4-7.7.5.pl: mysql is wetodded | 23:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10589 /WebGUI/t/Macro/GroupAdd.t: Test clean-up for groups and users. | 23:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: doug * r10590 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.4-7.7.5.pl: mysql is wetodded | 23:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10591 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: fix wrong quotes in WebGUI.conf.original | 23:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10592 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: fix export test | 23:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10593 /WebGUI/t/Macro/ (GroupDelete.t GroupAdd.t): More test cleanup for deleting users and groups. | 23:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10594 /WebGUI/t/Macro/EditableToggle.t: Test cleanup, and fix a leaky group. | 23:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10595 /WebGUI/t/Macro/LoginToggle.t: Remove a leaky group which was never used. | 23:26 |
metanil | Haarg: in webgui.log -> ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - ADMIN: Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for domain.edu | 23:26 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10596 /WebGUI/t/Macro.t: Test cleanup for a user and the config file. | 23:26 |
@Haarg | anything else? | 23:26 |
@Haarg | "... title, description, link inherit from asset by default, copyright unset" | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | i c | 23:26 |
metanil | Haarg: thats only thing i am currently getting. | 23:27 |
* perlDreamer is using 0.36 | 23:27 | |
+perlDreamer | we need 0.4, don't we? | 23:27 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | fixed | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, I'm sorry about those tests that you had to fix | 23:30 |
@preaction | np, i could've fixed them with "usePacked => 0", but i decided to make the tests understand packing | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | the simple text parser could be replaced with JSON | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | now that it's part of the core | 23:31 |
@Haarg | simple text parser? | 23:32 |
@preaction | sho nuff | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, in several of the tests that parse HTML (to check the default templates and their operation) | 23:33 |
@Haarg | ah | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | for more thorough testing, I put in a "text template" | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | KEYWORD: <tmpl_var keyword>\n | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | really should have been JSON, since we have a nice parser for it | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | but those tests predate our usage of JSON | 23:35 |
CIA-38 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rcf2376d / (5 files in 2 dirs): extend help command and help API to be more flexible - http://bit.ly/gQhGU | 23:37 |
CIA-38 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r0e2c565 / lib/WGDev/Command/Commands.pm : adding Commands command to list available commands - http://bit.ly/rxQFL | 23:37 |
CIA-38 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rba8d4bc / lib/WGDev/Command/Intro.pm : adding Intro command as quick intro to WGDev - http://bit.ly/14jR9g | 23:37 |
CIA-38 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r1f76d26 / ex/Command.pm : update example command for API change - http://bit.ly/Y1xRb | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, what's your opinion of the JSON collateral methods i wrote for the Product Sku? | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | I have a project where I need them again | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | and am thinking about WebGUI::JSONCollateral for a top-level Aspect | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | instead of copy and pasting them | 23:39 |
@Haarg | could be reasonable | 23:41 |
@Haarg | i'm a little confused by the pod using 'table' everywhere though | 23:41 |
@Haarg | seems like it is referring to fields | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that part wasn't easy to document | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | I was referring to a table as the data structure | 23:43 |
@Haarg | ok | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | rather than the field, which contains JSON | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | but in Crud, that distinction is completely hidden | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | you fill the field with a data structure, which is serialized and deserialized on update | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | and instanciation | 23:43 |
@Haarg | are you thinking this would be something inheritable by any class? | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:44 |
@Haarg | as long as it understood get and set? | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | get and update, yes | 23:44 |
@Haarg | or something like that | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:44 |
* perlDreamer figures that eventually, all objects will have the same kind of api. get, update, getId, new, create, delete, etc. | 23:45 | |
@Haarg | seems like it could work ok | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | since the code is already in WebGUI, should I RFE the abstraction into its own module, or just do it? | 23:45 |
@Haarg | probably rfe it | 23:46 |
* perlDreamer will file | 23:46 | |
@Haarg | be sure to use class::insideout for the cache | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | if Asset's definition sub understood the serialize keyword, we wouldn't need to cache at all | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | but that's another RFE :) | 23:48 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10597 /WebGUI/t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t: Update test for XML::FeedPP 0.40 | 23:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: graham * r10598 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku.pm: fix Sku pulling in wrong i18n labels | 23:50 |
CIA-38 | WebGUI: colin * r10599 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: Remove dead code. | 23:50 |
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