WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-05.log

daviddelikat
--- Log opened Fri May 01 00:00:46 2009
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10600 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Survey sections now have logical section type, which is never shown to the user, only used for silently checking gotos.	00:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10601 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: Backport removal of dead code in the Product Sku.	00:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10602 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.4-7.7.5.pl: fix compile warnings	00:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10603 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.t: fix thingy test for field type being provided provided	00:15
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@Haarg	bad monkey	00:20
perlmonkey21	what's up?	00:35
@Haarg	broke a test. i have a fix already.	00:36
perlmonkey21	but I ran all the survey tests?	00:36
@Haarg	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=10605	00:37
@Haarg	not sure why they passed for you	00:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10604 /translations/German/German/Asset_StockData.pm: Update from translation server	00:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10605 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.t: fix survey test	00:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10606 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server	00:40
@preaction	woot go German!	00:40
perlmonkey21	well crap it fails now. Must have missed that in the scroll.	00:41
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey21, how do you run tests?	01:01
perlmonkey21	perlDreamer: I go to the correct direction the type "perl file.t"	01:02
perlmonkey21	directory	01:02
+perlDreamer	right at the bottom, it should tell you how many tests failed	01:02
+perlDreamer	that way you don't have to scroll	01:02
@Haarg	if you use prove it will be color coded	01:02
@Haarg	prove alone will only report if it passed/failed, prove -v will show all the output but color coded	01:03
+perlDreamer	Germans at 78.8%	01:04
+perlDreamer	but the Dutch is clean down to 94.6	01:04
perlmonkey21	hmm, I like prove	01:05
perlmonkey21	heh, nice prove -r *.t	01:05
@Haarg	prove -r t	01:06
@preaction	if you get cpan App::Prove, you'll get the latest prove which has the color coding	01:20
@preaction	the one that comes with the WRE and perl 5.8 doesn't have as many fun features	01:21
+perlDreamer	Using Crud's built in methods (getAll*), there doesn't appear to be a way to compare columns against one another using the constraints	01:21
+perlDreamer	am I missing something?	01:21
@preaction	try "col1 = col2" => [] maybe?	01:22
+perlDreamer	sneaky. very sneaky	01:22
+perlDreamer	preaction, Haarg, what do y'all think of this: http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-coders-and-translators.html	01:29
@preaction	i think it's a great idea, especially the crowd-sourcing aspect	01:30
@preaction	our i18n app is a good demonstration of that, and perhaps the code for our translationserver could be used by these guys to collect i18n strings	01:31
+perlDreamer	I'll drop him a note	01:32
+perlDreamer	At the very least, we could get a French translation	01:32
+perlDreamer	apeiron is on the ironman elightened perl blog aggregator	01:35
@Haarg	rather annoying when test modules have bugs in them	01:48
+perlDreamer	which one is that?	01:50
@Haarg	trying to add tests to wgdev and Test::Warn can't test warnings like warn "message\n" because the \n prevents the filename/line number from being added	01:50
+perlDreamer	that's not Test::Warn's fault	01:50
+perlDreamer	that's perl's fault	01:50
@Haarg	how so?	01:51
@Haarg	that's expected behavior of perl	01:51
@Haarg	Test::Warn assumes the filename/line number will always be there	01:51
+perlDreamer	oh, now I see	01:52
@Haarg	i guess i can adjust my code to all be print {STDERR} instead	01:53
+perlDreamer	what about just not appending \n to the end of your warnings?	01:55
@Haarg	kind of ugly	01:55
@Haarg	and what module and line it came from isn't relevant when it is a user error	01:55
+perlDreamer	except most of your users are all developers who are on the command line	01:56
@Haarg	that doesn't make the information any more relevant	01:57
@Haarg	i guess i can use warning_like instead of warning_is	02:00
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+perlDreamer	let's try this out	02:29
+perlDreamer	patspam patspam patspam	02:29
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+perlDreamer	mmmm, shiny new wgdev	02:40
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@Haarg	i still have to do a lot of work on the intro command. it's pretty much empty, and isn't referenced anywhere like it needs to be.	02:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10607 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.7.5 release	02:46
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+patspam	praction: ping	02:48
+perlDreamer	preaction: ping, too	02:49
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10608 /WebGUI/t/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Test clean-up for users and groups in Shop/Vendor and all Macro tests.	03:06
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, since User, Group and Storage all have delete methods, would it make sense to just have objectsToDelete?	03:10
+perlDreamer	hm, maybe not	03:11
+perlDreamer	because in storagesToDelete, I set it up to accept objects or GUIDs	03:11
+perlDreamer	oh well	03:11
@Haarg	yeah	03:11
@Haarg	aside from guids, it could work to just have a single method that detected the object type if needed	03:11
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+perlDreamer	maybe we could have objectsToDelete, which takes objects	03:20
+perlDreamer	and guidsToDelete, which takes guids and object types as an array ref	03:20
@preaction	HA! I just figured out why I hate the admin accordian! In order to move between panes, you need to move your mouse the entire height of the page!	03:20
+perlDreamer	that's a bummer, all right	03:20
@preaction	but is it better than a fly-out menu?	03:21
+perlDreamer	well, what if there were buttons on the top, and workspace down below in a fixed pattern?	03:21
+perlDreamer	same idea, different spatial setup	03:21
@preaction	and the active pane is highlighted somehow	03:22
+perlDreamer	sure, indented, colored, blinking	03:22
@preaction	reserve a max of 1/3 for the pane titles, and 2/3 for the pane content (i'm envisioning a world with more panes, like the quicklinks that dhelsten wants)	03:23
+perlDreamer	guidsToDelete would get processed first, and just push more objects onto objects to delete	03:23
+perlDreamer	preaction, how about instead of fixed buttons, a dropdown?	03:24
+perlDreamer	that leaves the most screen real estate in the pane content	03:24
@preaction	ahhhhh, very nice	03:24
@preaction	and easy to do with YUI Menu	03:24
+perlDreamer	what will the chief say?	03:24
@preaction	i don't know	03:24
@preaction	i'm thinking i build it and submit for approval	03:25
+perlDreamer	well, if he doesn't like it, blame me since I can't be fired	03:25
+perlDreamer	if he does like it, take all the credit for it	03:25
+patspam	preaction: is CSS/JavaScript::Packer better than JavaScript/CSS::Minifier[::XS]?	03:27
@preaction	patspam: HTML::Packer does JS and CSS automatically if the JS::Packer and CSS::Packer are installed	03:27
@preaction	that's why i picked it	03:27
+patspam	ah ok	03:28
+perlDreamer	what about speed?	03:28
@preaction	wasn't a factor in my decision. the ::Minifier and ::Packer were the only ones I found acceptable	03:28
@preaction	also ::Packer supports de-minifying (for CSS at least)	03:28
@preaction	and JS looks like, but not HTML	03:29
@preaction	i want to add buttons to Template and Snippet to run their content through a tidy program someday	03:31
@preaction	i should add the RFEs for that	03:31
@preaction	when pb.com comes back from the 7.7.5 upgrade	03:32
@Haarg	database has been restoring for 30 minutes :/	03:32
@preaction	it died that bad?	03:33
@Haarg	upgrade crashed	03:33
+perlDreamer	too many assetIds	03:33
@Haarg	actually something with rssfromparent	03:33
+perlDreamer	eek	03:34
+perlDreamer	wait a sec	03:34
+perlDreamer	that should have been dead a long time ago	03:34
@Haarg	yes	03:34
perlmonkey21	wow, please tell me you can turn off html compression.	03:35
+perlDreamer	in SVN, nothing except the 7.7.2 upgrade script references that	03:36
@Haarg	it's due to some assets that still exist in the database	03:36
@preaction	perlmonkey21: you can, on a per-template basis. i'm thinking of making the Debug Mode automatically turn off all compression	03:37
@Haarg	oh fun	03:37
@Haarg	the database is too large to restore or something	03:37
+perlDreamer	that's bad	03:37
+perlDreamer	how do you recover from that?	03:37
@Haarg	not sure yet	03:38
@preaction	Haarg: did you shut down everything except mysql on the box/	03:38
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perlmonkey21	This is the most incredible thing. Only my old survey templates will load. wgd reverting has brought up old templates. When I edit them, the new ones are there. But when I actually run the stupid thing, the old templates show up.	03:46
@preaction	caching?	03:47
perlmonkey21	no, this started after I did svn revert	03:48
perlmonkey21	then wgd revert	03:48
@preaction	browser cache?	03:48
perlmonkey21	been working for days with the new templates.	03:48
@preaction	weirdness	03:48
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@tavisto	preaction, we upgrading pb/wg sites right now?	03:52
@Haarg	yeah	03:53
@Haarg	a bit more painful that usual	03:53
perlmonkey21	patspam: I think there is something darker going on here. Look at the section edit template at the 4th from last line. That textarea should have a name "text" and id "texteditortarget", but when you go to edit a survey it will have an id of "sectiontext". Why would we both be seeing old templates?	03:53
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@tavisto	ah okay, just wondering since both are unresponsive	03:59
@tavisto	tavis pulls out his rifle and decides if he should aim at haarg or preaction	03:59
@tavisto	hmmmm	03:59
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perlmonkey21	anyone with latest want to create a survey, try to edit it, see what the id is on the textarea in the form that shows up?	04:09
@preaction	one sec	04:09
perlmonkey21	thanks	04:09
@preaction	okay, which "Edit" button do you mean? the asset edit?	04:12
perlmonkey21	no	04:13
perlmonkey21	the edit the survey link	04:13
@preaction	the id="sectionText"?	04:13
perlmonkey21	hah	04:13
@preaction	is that good?	04:14
+Radix-wrk	http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/77627/original.jpg	04:14
perlmonkey21	if you look at the template you will see that is texteditortarget or some such	04:14
perlmonkey21	something has gone wrong	04:14
perlmonkey21	the template is Section Edit	04:14
perlmonkey21	4th from last line	04:14
perlmonkey21	Default Section Edit	04:14
perlmonkey21	Radix-wrk: that is hilarious	04:15
perlmonkey21	preaction: how could the latest template not be showing up?	04:16
@tavisto	with the new widgets in wG, is it possible for people to use applications from a wG site externally on another website?	04:17
@preaction	tavisto: they can fill out the form, but the form submits to the wG site	04:18
@tavisto	(just a regular html website/intranet)	04:18
@tavisto	is it only for dataforms then?	04:18
@preaction	no, it's for any asset	04:18
@preaction	you can see one page of it, but any links or forms will bring the user back to the wG site	04:18
@tavisto	here is the question I was asked.... if I am understanding this correctly, the answer would be yes. (at least to some degree_	04:19
@tavisto	I have a question about WebGUI integration with a current HTML/CSS/ColdFusion built intranet. We are currently looking for a project and file management package that will work flawlessly with our current intranet. In regards to WebGui, does this package require one to remove all HTML built pages or can WebGui work side by side with them? We have spent a lot of time building and designing our new intranet and completely replaci	04:19
+perlDreamer	it can work side by side with them, using passThruUrls and HttpProxy	04:19
@preaction	webgui can work side-by-side, and yes even INSIDE of an existing site	04:20
@preaction	and webgui can be a wrapper around an existing site	04:20
@tavisto	my response is that they can install the WRE on the same or separate server and then it would be possible for people to widgetize assets or externally link to the pages, or even do an iframe to the content	04:20
@preaction	really any way they want to do it they can get it done	04:20
@tavisto	alright coolio, thanks. It's for accuquote.com so that would be neat to reel them in	04:21
@preaction	perlmonkey21: i deleted the revision that the id="surveyText" was in, and it STILL shows up	04:22
perlmonkey21	I've wgd'd reverted it, and there is no revision except the good one.	04:22
@preaction	tavisto: yeah that'd be great! upsell the training!	04:23
@preaction	SEND ME, WEBGUI EVANGELIST, AROUND THE WORLD!	04:23
@tavisto	well we may need to start with a developer call with them..	04:23
@tavisto	a free pre-sales one.. because I don't know what they want really	04:23
perlmonkey21	preaction: I mean where is it getting the text? There is only a single assetId for that template, and only a single entry in Templates with that assetId. How is it magically getting something else.	04:24
@tavisto	they need to specify what the crap they want to do.. and then you or rizen can give thumbs up down blah blah	04:24
@preaction	i'd offer myself to you, but you have to go through the proper channels	04:24
@preaction	MY LIFE FOR YOU tavisto	04:24
@preaction	perlmonkey21: there has to be a simple explanation for this	04:24
@tavisto	yeah it's no problemo. I usually have Rizen in on those calls anyway. If he can't make it then you're next in line	04:25
perlmonkey21	magic	04:25
@preaction	there is no magic, just technology we don't understand	04:25
perlmonkey21	an evil dark magic. the kind that originates in Texas.	04:25
@tavisto	and I shall call him...... Mini-Riz	04:25
perlmonkey21	preaction: if there is only a single template in the db with that assetId, where would it be getting this old template from?	04:26
@preaction	perhaps the ID is being set by some other method?	04:26
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perlmonkey21	naw, not unless someone has sabotaged the code.	04:28
perlmonkey21	it doesn't change its templates	04:28
perlmonkey21	and the default template in code matches the one in the databse.	04:28
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perlmonkey21	I mean there are only 3 templates in the database with the correct namespace. 1 is the correct, and the 2 others would at least get that element correct.	04:30
@Haarg	it would be nice if they stopped making the sourceforge website worse all the time	04:30
perlmonkey21	github will make it obsolete	04:31
@preaction	select assetId from template where template LIKE "%sectionText%"	04:31
@preaction	Empty set (0.02 sec)	04:31
@preaction	wtf is this noise?	04:31
perlmonkey21	Texas	04:31
@preaction	the template DOES NOT EXIST	04:31
@preaction	i even did "ack sectionText lib www" and nothing comes up	04:32
@preaction	my browser cache has been cleaned, and is disabled	04:32
@preaction	i've cleared the webgui cache	04:32
@tavisto	preaction, I'm not sure about the training in DC... I just heard back from the contact and they're trying to install wG on solaris	04:32
perlmonkey21	Not even Darth Vader could pull this off. Something fowl is afoot. I blame Donald Duck!	04:32
perlmonkey21	preaction: yes, I did all that. I've rm'd the cache in both locations from the CLI, just to make sure.	04:33
@preaction	tavisto: so that's what all the stuff on the forums is. shouldn't be a problem really	04:33
@tavisto	they are interested in a support contract but it looks like we aren't really keen on doing that	04:33
@tavisto	not sure, I'm entirely too busy to check the forums lately. However, they are really interested in using WebGUI.. it's just tough since they want to use that.	04:34
@tavisto	And they're doing a source install	04:34
perlmonkey21	preaction: what is exceptionally crazy, is this is happening to everyone. Not limited to a single instance.	04:34
@preaction	tavisto: that also shouldn't be a real problem, provided they know what they're doing. someone on-site for a day or three of training could tell them what they're doing ;)	04:34
@tavisto	that's the problem	04:35
@tavisto	I don't think the install is going at all.	04:35
perlmonkey21	crap, i guess I should start putting in traces in the calls for the template	04:35
@tavisto	and when I asked them if they're willing to switch to another platform.. the answer was.... uh.... don't think so	04:35
perlmonkey21	frak me	04:35
@tavisto	however, the good news is that they are approved to use WebGUI. Sounds like that's quite a bit of work to get to that point	04:36
* perlDreamer calls the oklahoma chapter of the Frak Perlmonkey Brotherhood		04:36
@tavisto	my contact had a friend in the NSA who was like... "webgui... oh yeah we use it and love it"	04:36
@tavisto	so it helps to have those friends in high level secret security organizations	04:36
@preaction	afaik there isn't any real problems with Apache 2 and mod_perl2 on a modern solaris	04:36
@tavisto	rizen said that previously we only had 1 client who used solaris... then they switched b/c they couldn't keep mysql stable	04:37
@preaction	ah, so mysql is the problem	04:37
@tavisto	yep	04:38
@tavisto	and since this is going to be a high profile govie site.. we can't really risk it	04:38
@tavisto	and I can't exactly sell someone a best-effort support contract :)	04:38
+perlDreamer	what arcane perl incantation is supposed to remove a session object from the database	04:39
@preaction	yeah, there are a lot of fun notes about Solaris and MySQL	04:39
@preaction	perlDreamer: $session->delete maybe?	04:39
@tavisto	i was surprised that there wasn't any solaris install instructions on the wiki..	04:40
+perlDreamer	nope	04:40
+perlDreamer	tavisto, Sun is being bought for a reason	04:40
+Radix-wrk	should be easy since they're all owned by sun, but never that easy really is it	04:40
+perlDreamer	and it's not solaris	04:40
@preaction	yeah, even making solaris open-source is not saving it	04:40
+Radix-wrk	I have a friend who works for sun on mysql - if you tell me what the problem is specifically I can ask him about it at least and see what he knows.	04:41
+perlDreamer	hm it says that var->end is supposed to do it	04:41
@preaction	yeah, that's what the Delete Expired Sessions does	04:41
perlmonkey21	is the htmlpacker cacheing thsi stuff on disk?	04:42
@Haarg	the asset with sectionText in it is 1oBRscNIcFOI-pETrCOspA	04:42
@preaction	perlmonkey21: template and templatePacked in the database	04:42
@preaction	hell	04:42
@preaction	there it is	04:42
@preaction	but why	04:42
@preaction	is there some limitation of the "filter" property in the definition?	04:43
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@Haarg	i think html::packer is going to have to go	04:44
@Haarg	there are too many possible problems with it that aren't obvious	04:44
@preaction	i've got it: when update() gets called, the filter gets called, but then the templatePacked gets updated	04:45
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10609 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.5-beta: Release 7.7.5-beta	04:45
+perlDreamer	needs tests	04:45
* perlDreamer is starting to sound like a broken record		04:45
+perlDreamer	I don't even listen to myself anymore!	04:45
@preaction	i was thinking how to test it without using it	04:46
@Haarg	i don't think there's a reasonable way it can ever be enabled for templates	04:46
@preaction	why? they work. the only problem is that the templatePacked is getting overwritten with bad data right now	04:46
+perlDreamer	you know, just something simple like s/^\s+//; would be good	04:46
@Haarg	http://www.plainblack.com/pr <- or that templates are not html	04:46
@preaction	so set that template to not use the packed version	04:47
perlmonkey21	I have no idea what's going on.	04:47
@Haarg	after you see the problem	04:47
@preaction	we can update the upgrade to not set the usePacked flag	04:47
@Haarg	and happen to know that it is due to packing	04:47
@preaction	so packing will still happen, but it would have to be explicitly enabled to avoid problems like that	04:48
@Haarg	maybe	04:48
@preaction	you can fix pb.com by doing "UPDATE template SET usePacked=0" and "delete from cache"	04:48
@Haarg	still seems too problematic to me	04:48
@preaction	with setting usePacked=0, nothing has changed at all	04:48
perlmonkey21	Haarg: I just looked at that template and there is no sectionText in it.	04:48
@preaction	perlmonkey21: look at templatePacked, that's where it is	04:49
perlmonkey21	ah crap	04:49
@preaction	i'm working on a fix and a test	04:49
perlmonkey21	that's what you guys were talking about	04:49
perlmonkey21	okay...whew.	04:49
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perlmonkey21	groovy	04:49
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'm guessing you're up to your eyebrows in bugs. The SQL queries for bugs and RFEs on the participate page are borked.	04:50
@Haarg	hmm	04:50
@Haarg	those were definitely working at some point	04:50
+perlDreamer	sure, just earlier today	04:50
@Haarg	working now?	04:52
@preaction	yes	04:53
+perlDreamer	no	04:53
+perlDreamer	look at the top 2 RFEs	04:54
+perlDreamer	they haven't been touched in months or longer	04:54
+perlDreamer	yet they show up above things that were submitted today	04:54
+perlDreamer	similar with bugs	04:54
+perlDreamer	similarly with bugs	04:54
+perlDreamer	oh, this is totally evil!	04:56
+perlDreamer	I guess I'm going to make sessionToDelete next	04:57
@Haarg	i think version tag would be good	04:57
@Haarg	since it would take care of cleaning up assets as well	04:57
+perlDreamer	if you make an object that takes a session variable, and delete that session variable, and then try to delete the object, it revivifies the session object!	04:58
@Haarg	i think i ran into that before	04:59
+perlDreamer	if this is true, then I think we have a problem	04:59
+perlDreamer	because session->var is not the last thing destroyed	05:00
+perlDreamer	in session->close	05:00
@Haarg	it depends on the object	05:01
@Haarg	it's only going to cause a problem if they try to do work when destroyed/deleted/etc	05:01
@Haarg	errorhandler doesn't do anything on destroy	05:01
+perlDreamer	yeah, I think I'm just worrying too much about the circular nature of the references	05:03
+perlDreamer	well, time to build sessionsToDelete	05:03
@Haarg	need a break. been dealing with this upgrade for at least 6 hours today.	05:07
+perlDreamer	take 50, you've earned it	05:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10610 /WebGUI/t/ (5 files in 3 dirs):	05:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add method to clean up test sessions. This has to be done	05:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: after ALL other types of objects have been cleaned up.	05:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: More test clean-up for users, groups and sessions.	05:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10611 /WebGUI/t/ (6 files in 5 dirs):	05:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: Test cleanups.	05:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fix a leaking group in Asset/Post/permission.t. Threads do not clean	05:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: up their groups when they are purged.	05:38
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@preaction	is there a standard way to prevent a property from being updated through update()?	06:05
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10612 /WebGUI/t/Asset/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Another batch of clean-ups for users and groups.	06:11
@preaction	nm, it has to be during addRevision	06:11
+perlDreamer	it's hopeless	06:25
@preaction	hmm?	06:26
+perlDreamer	trying to get shipping API documentation	06:26
@preaction	bastards	06:26
+perlDreamer	preaction, thank you for being so conscientious in cleaning up things made in your test.	06:28
@preaction	you mean fixing how i broke all of webgui?	06:29
+perlDreamer	no	06:31
+perlDreamer	I've been looking at some of your gallery tests, and mech tests	06:31
+perlDreamer	and you do a good job of cleaning up users, groups, assets and version tags	06:32
@preaction	ahh, yeah	06:32
+perlDreamer	no, what happened today was almost worthy of a Kuskie-level mess	06:32
+perlDreamer	close, but not quite	06:32
+perlDreamer	you didn't destroy any websites and no one cursed at you	06:32
@preaction	yeah, i've borked webgui worse than this	06:34
@preaction	this was easy to fix even	06:34
@preaction	the upgrade problems weren't the fault of this	06:34
+perlDreamer	37 files later...	06:36
+perlDreamer	the User and Group clean-ups are done	06:36
+perlDreamer	now, to go back and look for Storage	06:37
+perlDreamer	maybe another night, between struggling with the government, kids, cats and just regular work, I'm beat	06:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10613 /WebGUI/t/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Last batch of User and Group cleanups.	06:40
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CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10614 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): reverted usePacked. you can re-enable it carefully.	07:05
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10615 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm: Beginning 7.7.6 dev	07:05
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10616 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server	08:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10617 /translations/German/German/Asset.pm: Update from translation server	08:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10618 /translations/German/German/Asset_Event.pm: Update from translation server	08:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10619 /translations/German/German/ (PayDriver_Cash.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server	08:45
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10620 /translations/German/German/ (WebGUI.pm PayDriver.pm): Update from translation server	08:45
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10621 /translations/German/German/ (2 files): Update from translation server	09:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10622 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	09:09
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10623 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	09:35
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10624 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	10:01
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10625 /translations/German/German/ (6 files): Update from translation server	11:49
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10626 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	12:18
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10627 /translations/German/German/PassiveAnalytics.pm: Update from translation server	12:18
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10629 /translations/German/notes.txt: Update from translation server	13:01
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10630 /translations/French/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	13:22
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10632 /translations/Russian/ (31 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	14:40
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10633 /translations/French/French/ (Account_Contributions.pm Account_Friends.pm): Update from translation server	15:18
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10639 /translations/French/French/Workflow_Activity_ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses.pm: Update from translation server	16:14
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+perlDreamer	hey, BartJol!	17:47
+BartJol	jo	17:47
+BartJol	this time I really am here	17:48
+BartJol	ho's life?	17:48
+perlDreamer	Life is okay	17:48
+perlDreamer	been sick the last week	17:48
+BartJol	not good	17:48
+BartJol	but better now?	17:48
+perlDreamer	No, but it is over	17:48
+perlDreamer	How about you?	17:49
+BartJol	good	17:49
+perlDreamer	Putting big holes into the new house?	17:49
+BartJol	well, my house is going ok	17:49
+BartJol	yeah	17:49
+BartJol	seen the pictures?	17:49
+BartJol	I put some on my site wednesday	17:49
+perlDreamer	no, I'll go look	17:49
+BartJol	maybe I should internationalise my site	17:49
+BartJol	it a big mess right now	17:50
+BartJol	but I like the missing walls	17:50
+BartJol	it looks a lot more roomy now	17:50
+perlDreamer	what's this one: http://www.bartjol.nl/uploads/58/18/581890edd90e252bcd2b487db7d00f73/DSC00491.JPG	17:51
+perlDreamer	is that the main electrical panel?	17:52
+BartJol	my old electricity meter	17:52
+BartJol	yeah	17:52
+BartJol	but that one is mostly gone now	17:52
+perlDreamer	it is good to have friends to help	17:55
+BartJol	I know	17:55
+BartJol	well, and I helped a lot of people in the past, which helps me now, good brings good	17:57
+BartJol	there is even a guy that wants to come from Romania especially to help me move	17:58
+perlDreamer	that's awesome!	17:58
+BartJol	but his movement was a really tough one	17:58
+perlDreamer	danger, danger. chicks with splitting mauls!	17:59
+BartJol	we have a group of friends that get insulted when you don't let them help[ moving	17:59
+BartJol	yeah, that's the girlfriend of my roommate	18:00
+BartJol	they were so kind to move 2 walls into a more dispersed pile of rubble, enlarging the enthropy in my house	18:02
+perlDreamer	well, even though you've moved your hacking into another realm, it's good to see that you're keeping up	18:12
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10645 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Update from translation server	18:13
+BartJol	:)	18:25
+BartJol	going to coomk	18:25
+BartJol	cook	18:25
+perlDreamer	went to eat breakfast	18:27
+perlDreamer	Haarg, svn del https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_Story look right to you?	18:40
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10646 /translations/German/German/ (Shop.pm Asset_Template.pm): Update from translation server	18:45
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10647 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server	18:45
+perlDreamer	BartJol, somebody is doing a huge amount of work translating German	18:45
+perlDreamer	they are nearing 79%	18:46
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+BartJol	perlDreamer: 79? oops	18:50
+BartJol	getting skakky	18:50
+BartJol	slakky	18:50
+perlDreamer	no, the Germans are doing great	18:50
+perlDreamer	Dutch is only down to about 92.4% or so	18:50
+BartJol	I know	18:50
+perlDreamer	but you have a house to work on, so keep your priorities straight	18:51
+BartJol	but I am getting too far behinf	18:51
+BartJol	I will	18:51
+perlDreamer	maybe we should make your student perlmonkey2 do some Dutch translating while you're on brake	18:52
+BartJol	stable is up to 98.1	18:52
+perlDreamer	stable is fine, it's just beta	18:53
+perlmonkey2	nee	18:53
+perlmonkey2	nee ik zal niet	18:53
+BartJol	yeah and rory and Bob from alpha mega will help	18:53
+BartJol	wat zal je niet perlmonkey2?	18:54
+perlmonkey2	Heeft uw hond zoals de banjo?	18:54
+BartJol	I got that message a lot in the survey...	18:54
+perlmonkey2	vertalen	18:54
+perlmonkey2	hahaha	18:54
+BartJol	but a nice outsourcing to the Netherlands will be nice, won't it?	18:55
+perlmonkey2	In het jaar 2020, disco zal de wereld regeren.	18:55
+perlmonkey2	but of course	18:56
+perlmonkey2	If I spoke Dutch.	18:56
+BartJol	well, a laptop with connection and bablefish will get you somewhere	18:56
+BartJol	probably the hospital	18:56
+perlmonkey2	yeah, with people wondering why the hover help is asking them if their dogs likes the banjo :P	18:57
+BartJol	like was translated in the wrong manner btw	18:57
+BartJol	more in "it's like that"	18:57
+BartJol	instead of "I like perlmonkey2 for his deep voice"	18:58
+perlmonkey2	Ah, I see the difference.	18:58
+perlmonkey2	That's what all the tall vikings say, though.	18:59
+BartJol	now it's "has your dog in a manner of a banjo"	18:59
+perlDreamer	only when he's properly tuned	18:59
+BartJol	how do protect yourself from vikings perlmonkey2?	19:01
+perlmonkey2	I sing softly to them.	19:01
+perlDreamer	in his deep voice	19:01
+perlmonkey2	I find Britney Spears' songs work well.	19:01
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+BartJol	:)	19:02
+BartJol	hee, it's metroman	19:02
+BartJol	food's in the oven, so a have half an hour to bug him!	19:03
+perlDreamer	Haarg, it looks like previousVersion.sql hasn't been updated, and it may have uncovered a bug in the upgrade process	19:03
+perlDreamer	I'm only getting config changes for the first upgrade script	19:04
+perlDreamer	nm	19:04
+perlDreamer	it's because I'm an idiot, and put my wgd switches in the wrong order	19:04
+BartJol	no, you're not an idiot	19:05
+perlDreamer	I'm not?	19:05
+BartJol	provided you are still not using emacs	19:05
+perlDreamer	bite your tongue!	19:05
+perlDreamer	better yet, have perlmonkey2's dog bite your tongue	19:05
+BartJol	I'll wash it with green soap	19:05
+BartJol	yugh!	19:06
+perlDreamer	that depends	19:06
+perlmonkey2	My dog is 18 years old and his teeth are mostly gone.	19:06
+perlDreamer	is the soap normally green?	19:06
+BartJol	doctors forbid me to come to close to banjo-playing dogs	19:06
+BartJol	well, normally is subjective	19:06
+BartJol	but for soap it is	19:07
+perlDreamer	one time I found some brown/tan soap	19:07
+perlDreamer	after we washed it, it was white again	19:07
+BartJol	mmm	19:07
+BartJol	maybe you should wash more often	19:07
* perlDreamer washes twice a day		19:08
+perlDreamer	once in the morning, and once after a workout	19:08
ryuu_ro	BartJol: was this a call for some translating help?	19:08
+perlDreamer	because Mrs. perlDreamer will not allow me into the living room after a workout without a shower	19:08
+BartJol	sure, if you want it to be	19:08
+BartJol	ryuu_ro: you do have a hangover I hope	19:09
ryuu_ro	why?	19:09
+BartJol	oh and my car is fixed	19:09
+BartJol	eeh, because it was queensday yesterday	19:09
ryuu_ro	yeah, but I didn't go to disco herman	19:09
+BartJol	or did you strike because of the accident	19:09
+BartJol	me neither	19:10
ryuu_ro	so I feel perfectly fine	19:10
ryuu_ro	:)	19:10
ryuu_ro	no, i was working today. Only not at the office	19:10
+BartJol	really starnge that my car doens't make any squeeky noices anymore	19:10
+BartJol	when I shift gear	19:10
ryuu_ro	did you own a black suzuki swift? ;)	19:10
+BartJol	no a white opel astra, you know that!	19:11
+BartJol	always thought that swift drivers were suspicious	19:11
ryuu_ro	true that, but I thought that you were behind the attack of yesterday	19:11
+BartJol	why?	19:11
ryuu_ro	it sounded like your kind of thing :)	19:11
+BartJol	I like the royal family, it gives you an excuse to get toatlly wasted once a year	19:12
ryuu_ro	but then i was still thinking it was a drinking and driving accident	19:12
+BartJol	me thinks tavisto is scared of me	19:12
ryuu_ro	why, he has unbelievable super powers	19:13
ryuu_ro	according to your comic	19:13
+BartJol	well, but making people look like brad pitt doesn't scare me	19:13
+BartJol	I saw him do it once	19:13
ryuu_ro	but what if he want's to make you look like Brad Pitt	19:14
ryuu_ro	that kinda scares me	19:14
+BartJol	I'd rather look like Johnny Depp	19:14
+perlDreamer	I thought you were Johnny Depp?	19:15
+BartJol	no, I only share his brithday	19:15
@preaction	Johnny Depp is like 5'6". you don't want to be that short	19:15
+BartJol	well, I won't hit my head as often	19:15
ryuu_ro	in pirates or in sweeney todd btw?	19:15
@preaction	Compared to you, im as tall as Johnny Depp is compared to me	19:15
@preaction	no, in real life he's 5'6", that's why he only works with short female actresses	19:16
+BartJol	his birthday isn't movie depending	19:16
@preaction	i live in oshkosh, where they shot some scenes for Public Enemies. they had a call for extras, but i'm too tall	19:17
ryuu_ro	no but then I know if you want to be a half dead drunk pirate or a singing and murdering hairdresser	19:17
+perlDreamer	he's not half dead, he's "mostly dead"	19:17
+BartJol	apart from the singing, I like the hardresser better	19:17
ryuu_ro	true :)	19:18
+BartJol	I am not a public enemy, I didn't try to kill the royal family. I did see Public Enemy one time though	19:19
+perlDreamer	close enough	19:20
+BartJol	prolly I will be too tall too then	19:20
+BartJol	criminals are trying to put BA's mom out of her apartment, wonder how it will finish	19:23
+perlDreamer	who is "BA"?	19:23
+BartJol	mr T	19:23
+BartJol	in the A-team	19:23
* perlDreamer guesses that BA will pity them		19:24
+BartJol	he will, but my food is ready	19:25
+BartJol	so till later	19:25
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+perlmonkey2	catching up on that scroll was painful.	19:46
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* perlDreamer thinks it's cool that Queen Beatrix rides a bicycle. Sounds very down to earth.		20:00
+BartJol	well, she doesn't do that always	20:01
+BartJol	but she's cool	20:01
+perlDreamer	Do they have any idea why that guy tried to run into her bus?	20:03
+BartJol	it seems he held a grudge against the royal family	20:04
+BartJol	but getting more info will be hard, since he died	20:05
+perlDreamer	yeah, crashing your car into a bus can make that happen	20:05
+BartJol	it wasn't a bus	20:05
+BartJol	it was a pillar	20:05
+BartJol	not less deadly	20:06
+perlDreamer	pillars are worse	20:06
dhelsten	you're sure he didn't have a grudge against pillars?	20:07
+BartJol	no	20:07
+BartJol	but it seems he said something about the royal family	20:08
* perlDreamer heads off for gym and lunch, be back much later this afternoon		20:21
+perlDreamer	for all you European types, happy house hacking!	20:22
+BartJol	by	20:22
+BartJol	ee	20:22
@preaction	perlDreamer: do you have any "How-tos" on tests?	20:31
+BartJol	he's out	20:35
CIA-23	WebGUI: hao * r10648 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): RFE #9998, mark selected inbox messages as read/unread.	20:37
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+BartJol	ryuu_ro: beer?	21:19
@tavisto	nope, he's doing the opposite of beer... Working out at the gym	21:19
ryuu_ro	unfortanely no, I have to go to my house and put a floor in	21:19
+BartJol	ah	21:20
ryuu_ro	see you later guys!	21:20
+BartJol	perlDreamer: is working out	21:20
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CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10649 /WebGUI/docs/previousVersion.sql: updating previousVersion for 7.7.6 dev	21:43
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10650 /WebGUI/ (67 files in 11 dirs): fixed: #9897. Fixed problem with highlighting in codearea. Updated EditArea to version 0.8.1.1	21:43
dhelsten	preaction: you there? I need to upgrade but will need to change my files back.	21:47
@preaction	dhelsten: do you still have the package i gave you? that should do it iirc	21:48
dhelsten	you mean remove the package...	21:48
@preaction	wait, what did i say? was it adding a package or deleting a revision?	21:49
@preaction	i think you have to delete the revision	21:49
dhelsten	that is more likely. As I recall the package didn't work. I just need to jump back to the revision that had the simple <dragger icon> or whatever it read, right?	21:50
@preaction	yeah	21:50
dhelsten	I also made a change in the calendar.pm file. I assume that will be overwritten with the fixed version so I don't need to do anything, right?	21:51
@preaction	dhelsten: yes	21:57
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10651 /WebGUI/www/extras/editarea/ (21 files in 3 dirs): really fixed brainfuck problem	22:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10652 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (67 files in 11 dirs): merged 10650	22:07
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@tavisto	wow let's keep it PG Preaction!!	22:23
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10653 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/editarea/ (21 files in 3 dirs): merged 10651	22:32
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10654 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: updated changelog	22:33
CIA-23	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10655 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: YUI editor in the edit panel for the Survey editor now drags with the panel and hides with the panel.	22:33
CIA-23	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10656 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: Removed superfluous function wrappers on the yui event subscriptions.	22:33
@tavisto	is it just me or are pb/wg just absolutely crawling right now... argh	22:39
@tavisto	it's probably just my crappy ISP.. but I feel like I'm stuck in mud	22:40
@preaction	tavisto: just you. works fine for me	22:41
@tavisto	alright great. Thanks Verizon	22:41
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dhelsten	I'm not familiar with IRC can someone tell me what the @ and + in front of the handles means? Also how does one indicate their status as away, etc?	23:35
@preaction	dhelsten: @ = +o = channel operator. + = +v = voiced (can talk when channel is moderated, special users)	23:37
@preaction	you can indicate away using /away, but normally you just don't have to	23:37
dhelsten	Thanks	23:39
dhelsten	I an upcoming events area for my home page using a shortcut to a calendar and overriding with the List View. At the time I thought that did it because all my events were in the future. Now I realize that this displays all events, even those in the past. Any ideas of how I can show only future events?	23:40
@preaction	a SQLReport?	23:41
@preaction	ooh, you could use a Template Toolkit template to only show an event if it's in the future	23:42
@preaction	that might be better	23:42
dhelsten	I'm not familiar with Template Toolkit	23:43
@preaction	there will be a presentation at the WUC	23:44
@preaction	but HTML::Template::Expr might be able to handle it too	23:44
dhelsten	Is TT going to be replacing HTML::Template?	23:46
dhelsten	Or will WG just support both	23:47
@preaction	i believe we're moving to TT entirely, but TT supports the HTML::Template dialect	23:47
+perlmonkey2	TT is an incredible improvement.	23:48
@preaction	yes	23:48
@preaction	ten million percent improvement	23:48
dhelsten	And in TT I could create a statement in my calendar loop such as "if event date > today then ..."	23:49
dhelsten	?	23:49
@preaction	yep	23:49
dhelsten	That will be great for non coders like myself who must rely only on the available variables.	23:50
@preaction	yeah, steve swanson (head of our design dept.) is really excited about it	23:52
dhelsten	How difficult would it be to implement a TT template for the calendar list view? Are there any examples out there I can look at? When will it be included in the core(or how do I enable it)?	23:53
@preaction	i think there's a wiki article about it	23:54
@preaction	dhelsten: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines	23:55
dhelsten	thanks. looking at it now	23:55
dhelsten	what is the name of the TT CPAN Bundle? The article doesn't say	23:57
@preaction	dhelsten: it's just called "Template"	23:57
@preaction	http://template-toolkit.org/ <- here's the main TT2 site	23:57
dhelsten	Thanks.	23:57
@preaction	you'll have to look at the Plugins for Date functions	23:58
dhelsten	I assume I need to install the module bundles as well, yes?	23:59
@preaction	the date plugin should be part of the normal TT distribution, but maybe	23:59
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dhelsten	Thanks. I'm got to get on a conf call but will play around with this later...	00:00
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+perlDreamer	preaction, how does TT support H::T dialect?	00:27
+perlDreamer	also, for testing resources...	00:27
+perlDreamer	The Developers Guid	00:27
+perlDreamer	e	00:27
+perlDreamer	my testing presentation	00:27
+perlDreamer	some wiki pages	00:27
+perlDreamer	also, see my blog for recent developments in testing convenience methods	00:28
@preaction	perlDreamer: i don't know, i'm just repeating what i were told	00:29
+perlDreamer	I did some looking on that recently, and it's not exactly true	00:30
+perlDreamer	that TT plugin just calls H::T, then passes the content on to the template	00:30
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+perlDreamer	preaction: what kind of testing questions do you have?	00:38
@preaction	none, i wanted steveo_aa to get some information on how to write tests	00:40
@preaction	i'll be writing some tests for the collab system, because i need to fix part of it	00:40
+perlDreamer	Do you guys have the PDF for my testing presentation, because it has lots of links to Perl testing in general	00:41
@preaction	i think we do. otherwise it not up on webgui.tv yet?	00:42
+perlDreamer	yes	00:42
+perlDreamer	well, I figure y'all have access to those videos whether it's on wgtv or not	00:42
@preaction	er, what year was it?	00:43
@preaction	08 right?	00:43
+perlDreamer	07 or 06	00:43
@preaction	06 here it is	00:44
+perlDreamer	05 was Help, 06 was testing, 07 was community, 08 was game show and community redo	00:44
+perlDreamer	09 is Story Manager, and Clinic	00:44
@preaction	heh, i don't get to do a presentation this year, so i'll be there to heckle everybody!	00:45
+perlDreamer	what?	00:46
@preaction	but i especially want to see the Story Manager, i've got a few clients who might be very interested in that	00:46
+perlDreamer	want one of mine?	00:46
@preaction	oh no, i've got other SOOPER SEKRIT projects I get to work on that I'll hopefully have done for the WUC	00:46
* perlDreamer needs a USB keyboard and mouse		00:47
+perlDreamer	The desk is too high	00:47
+perlDreamer	(for a laptop)	00:47
@preaction	go wireless!	00:47
+perlDreamer	we do have one of those...	00:47
@preaction	it's a business expense!	00:47
+perlDreamer	that just makes it less expensive, not free	00:48
+perlDreamer	preaction, does the editarea commit also fix the long standing bugs with display and resizing, by chance?	00:50
@preaction	resizing doesn't have a bug taht i know of, it's just counter-intuitive	00:50
@preaction	but display, no it doesn't	00:50
@preaction	it fixes the blue-bar problem though	00:50
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* perlDreamer goes running		01:46
+perlDreamer	I know, that's two bouts of exercising today, but I didn't go on Tuesday so this makes up for it.	01:47
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@preaction	i'll do zero bouts of exercising today to make up for it	02:29
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CIA-23	WebGUI: paul * r10657 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): template attachments (scripts and stylesheets)	02:45
@preaction	does anyone want to help me with a new feature? you'll have to svn up and wgd reset	02:53
@preaction	templates now allow attachments, and i want your opinion	02:53
CIA-23	WebGUI: paul * r10658 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: added a changelog note about template attachments	03:17
+perlDreamer	what kind of attachments?	03:23
* perlDreamer is very curiuos		03:23
@preaction	CSS and JS	03:23
@preaction	to fix the "double include" problem and also to allow deferred loading of some JS (to improve render times)	03:24
@preaction	mostly i want an opinion on the UI, i like it, and i want to make sure other people like it too	03:24
* perlDreamer will look		03:24
+perlDreamer	so how does an attachment fix the double include problem?	03:25
@preaction	there was no attempt at parsing or whatever, so we're going to have to eventually go in manually and change the Extra HEAD tags into Attachments (if possible)	03:25
+perlDreamer	does it get registered?	03:25
@preaction	because it uses $style->setScript, which doesn't allow duplicate scripts	03:25
+perlDreamer	ah...	03:25
@preaction	and Style->setLink, which also doesn't allow dups	03:25
@preaction	in a related note, setScript can now add scripts to the body instead of the head, so there's that	03:26
+perlDreamer	if I ask you if it has tests, will you shoot me?	03:26
@preaction	no, because i didn't write it ;) so i don't know	03:26
@preaction	also, it does	03:26
@preaction	so three cheers for frodwith there	03:27
+perlDreamer	frodwith++	03:27
+perlDreamer	sub prepare could do with some review	03:34
+perlDreamer	and WGBP is to do @{ }, not @$	03:35
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@preaction	prepare? how so? looks okay to me, except that $self->getAttachments is called 3 times (3 DB queries, when we're getting ALL attachments anyway)	03:37
@preaction	why does it take us 20 lines to determine how to sort the Threads in a collab system? my god...	03:41
+perlDreamer	inside prepare, there's no need to build a variable every time through the loop	03:51
+perlDreamer	and I don't think a closure needs to be built, when a loop would do	03:51
@preaction	oh, that, i see	03:51
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Zylopfa	Hello Webguis	03:53
+perlDreamer	nice POD work in Session/Style	03:55
+perlDreamer	session/style.t tests need to be updated for all the new code	03:56
Zylopfa	Sweet my bazaar thing is still on most downloaded	03:57
Zylopfa	makes me wanna make more stuff	03:57
+perlDreamer	which bazaar thing is that, Zylopfa?	03:59
Zylopfa	Workflow Activity to Create Personal User Areas, When user is created. "	04:00
Zylopfa	I am realy busy atm making a story site i have into webgui	04:00
Zylopfa	btw. it was a hilarious php aprils fools, just read it now as i browsed the black blog	04:01
+perlDreamer	preaction, index is always 0 when I add thing to the list of attachments	04:04
@preaction	not sure if that is expected behavior or not	04:04
+perlDreamer	and because the way webgui works, I'd call them something else, like links or something, because attachments usually means files	04:04
@preaction	good idea	04:04
+perlDreamer	I see	04:06
+perlDreamer	in the attachments section, if you change the index it allows you to move them around relative to one another	04:06
+perlDreamer	but when you're adding them, any newly added thing gets appended to the end, regardless of the index, and it's given an index of 0	04:06
+perlDreamer	I like how you can easily edit the entries after adding them	04:08
+perlDreamer	change names and types	04:08
+perlDreamer	uh oh	04:10
+perlDreamer	something really bad happened to the edit screen	04:10
@preaction	that's not good	04:10
+perlDreamer	no, wait, that's the template source	04:10
* perlDreamer needs to go, it's dinner time		04:12
+perlDreamer	later, all	04:12
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Zylopfa	Have a good dinner	04:13
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elnino	HI!	06:23
elnino	I need to provide redirects for old URLs that are from a mambo install: /images/stories//uis%20-%20home%20inspection%20price%20schedule.pdf to a webgui url	06:24
elnino	but webgui seems to want to correct the double slash and %20's. is there a way to make webgui not do that?	06:24
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elnino	hello?	08:45
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wgGuest43	Hi folks	02:19
wgGuest43	anyone game to take a couple quick questions?	02:20
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wgGuest43	anyone around?	02:27
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+patspam	the EditArea syntax highlighter supports branfuck? that's awesome	02:35
@Haarg	kind of odd. i'm not sure how much syntax highlighting is going to help you when there are only 8 operations.	02:51
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wgGuest43	anyone tried out the underground template?	04:15
@preaction	wgGuest43: i made it, what do you need?	04:17
wgGuest43	ohh	04:20
wgGuest43	cool	04:20
wgGuest43	should search be working properly?	04:20
wgGuest43	for some reason it seems like the theme isn't propagating to a few pages correctly... specifically the 'search' page and the 'view my account' pages	04:20
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@preaction	the "view my account" page is controlled by the "User Function Style" in the settings	04:21
@preaction	it's considered rude to private message without asking	04:21
@preaction	but the "Search" page, that'd be a bug	04:22
wgGuest43	dude, I have been on irc since 1993	04:22
@preaction	yes, and since then the social contract has probably changed quite a bit. we get sounds when people private message now, like an IM, so it's more urgent (especially when you're using IRC for business and such)	04:23
wgGuest43	I suppose it depends on your client	04:23
@preaction	but to fix the Search page, Turn Admin On and go to the Search page, edit the Search asset and you'll see Display tab, under the "Style Template" field, choose "Underground [style]"	04:23
@preaction	i'll add it to the next revision	04:24
wgGuest43	Its a really sexy theme, I like it	04:24
@preaction	thank the guy at styleshout.com, i just put it into webgui	04:24
wgGuest43	this is my first go around with webgui, I def. prefer your theme to the default..	04:25
wgGuest43	your/his	04:25
@preaction	yeah, Tavis has wanted a way to pull default themes from the bazaar during the site starter wizard, which i think would be great	04:25
wgGuest43	That seems to work, but for some reason the menu bar at the top is garbled with a bunch of links that shouldn't be there..	04:27
@preaction	that depends on where the search asset is located i suspect	04:28
@preaction	if you Cut the search asset and then Paste it on a Search page under your Home page, that should fix it	04:29
@preaction	i'll also find a way to fix that for this release	04:29
@preaction	now i remember. i wanted to make the Navigation asset have a special "home page" start point to fix this	04:31
wgGuest43	thanks preaction, the cut/paste fix worked	04:50
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dhelsten	I know that CS assets can automatically expire. Is there anyway to get an article to do this?	05:51
wgGuest43	preaction: I made a little fix to enable search from the top navigation search window after the cut/paste thing, I'll probably make a few more changes... you have this thing in svn somewhere? I could share these with you...	06:00
@preaction	dhelsten: not currently, no	06:01
@preaction	wgGuest43: not really, wgpkg doesn't lend itself well to diff/patch. you could just e-mail it to me doug@plainblack.com	06:02
wgGuest43	cool	06:02
dhelsten	preaction: ok, thanks.	06:08
+patspam	perlmonkey2: ...	06:26
+patspam	perlmonkey2: I have a Survey scoring idea	06:27
wgGuest43	preaction: do you have a fix for enabling the underground theme for the "View My Account" pagee?	06:32
wgGuest43	nevermind =)	06:44
+perlmonkey2	patspam: what's the idea?	06:50
+patspam	heya	06:50
+patspam	well..	06:50
dhelsten	how do I get avatars to show in templates. Using <tmpl_var user_profile_avatar_value> just returns the Asset ID. I assume I need to put this in a macro to get it show up as an image...	06:53
+patspam	in the general case I think you can treat scoring as an arbitrary number of rules that get evaluated	06:53
+perlmonkey2	patspam: that makes sense.	06:53
+patspam	each rule evaluates to something, often just a true/false flag, but also possibly a numeric score	06:54
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+perlDreamer	whoa	06:54
+perlDreamer	a wgGuest	06:54
* perlDreamer hopes you guys have helped them out		06:54
+perlmonkey2	my original idea was to leave that up to the report generators.....but jumping logic seems to require some rules to be solidified I guess.	06:54
+patspam	what I'm thinking is..	06:54
+patspam	we can easily add a section to the UI for the survey builder to add in an arbitrary number of scoring expressions	06:55
+patspam	that (at this stage) just get run at survey completion time	06:55
+patspam	adding an extra 'score' data object to the response hash	06:55
+patspam	each score expression can be of the form: score({ <expression>} TAG_NAME)	06:56
+patspam	and then you can expose all those TAG_NAMEs as template variables on a results page	06:56
+perlmonkey2	hmm	06:56
+patspam	for instance, say you're recreating one of those cheesy magazine-type surveys that tell you what category you fall into	06:57
+patspam	for each category, you add a score expression: score { value(var1) > 10} CATEGORY1; score { value(var20) == 3} CATEGORY2, etc..	06:59
+perlmonkey2	Oh, I get you, and I think it is a really clever idea.	06:59
+perlmonkey2	I'm just thinking that when this is implemented, it might be a good idea to refactor the section, question, answer paradigm into something more generalized that allows for other, more speialized objects to be added.	06:59
+perlmonkey2	specialized.	06:59
+patspam	for example?	07:00
+perlmonkey2	right now a lot of very similiar code is reimplemented for all three objects. Maybe refactor that into roles, so adding a new "scoring" object won't require making 15,000 code changes.	07:01
+patspam	ah, I don't think we need to add a new object to achieve this	07:01
+perlmonkey2	instead of having jumping sections, we have a jump object that can be placed anywhere.	07:01
+perlmonkey2	I mean "logical" sections. We have a logical object.	07:02
+perlmonkey2	can be an answer, question, or section.	07:02
+perlmonkey2	or placed after any of those.	07:02
+patspam	yeah that'd be cool. And at the same time I'd love to be able to nest sections	07:02
+perlmonkey2	wait....hah	07:03
+perlmonkey2	you said add a section, and I thought you meant add functionality to the section objets.	07:03
+perlmonkey2	hah.	07:03
+perlmonkey2	nevermind.	07:03
+perlDreamer	preaction: that guy from France added 2% to the WebGUI translation for us	07:03
+perlmonkey2	okay, yes. maybe a tab button that pops up a scoring panel where those rules are entered.	07:03
+patspam	heh yeah, for the scoring expression thing the only thing we add (right at the end) is a new key in the response hash	07:04
+patspam	but in general we could do lots more refactoring	07:04
+perlmonkey2	or a special scoring screen where multiple scoring lists can be created for multiple templates.	07:04
+perlmonkey2	anyways, I dig the idea. Sounds like a really powerful feature for users. Way easier than sqlreports or figuring out how to use the temptable on their own.	07:05
+patspam	yeah, agreed	07:05
+patspam	although nothing to stop people from pulling the responseJSON out of the db and doing whatever they like with it too	07:06
+patspam	I'll implement the simplest approach with scoring expressions first, and later we can add more awesome	07:06
+perlmonkey2	absolutely.....this takes away nothing from power users, but allows a pidgin language to quickly put together a complex list of params for a template.	07:07
+perlmonkey2	man, that is just a cool idea. Seems like this could be applied to quite a few wobjects in wG.	07:08
+patspam	I'd love to do a comprehensive feature comparison of Survey with the best available web-based products out there (commercial or otherwise)	07:10
@preaction	what if SQLReport could deserialize JSON?	07:10
@preaction	hmm... but how would it know?	07:11
+perlDreamer	it would be easier in TT	07:12
+perlDreamer	since you can call subroutines and methods in it	07:12
@preaction	ha! right!	07:13
+perlDreamer	you can do that in H::T, too	07:13
+perlDreamer	they just have to be setup ahead of time	07:13
@preaction	yeah, yeah, i get it	07:14
@preaction	that would work	07:14
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10664 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs):	07:37
CIA-23	WebGUI: Survey Branch Expressions can now test whether a question	07:37
CIA-23	WebGUI: has been reached/answered, rather than just testing for the value	07:37
CIA-23	WebGUI: of a response	07:37
+perlDreamer	in svn, on the commandline, does anyone know how to get a listing of which files were included in a particular revision?	08:03
+perlDreamer	svn log -vr	08:06
@preaction	ooh nice	08:06
@preaction	perlDreamer: quick question about an RFE	08:07
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/hyperlinks-on-the-fly	08:08
@preaction	should i just allow a "None" entry under a template for this, or should I specifically add an option to "Enable viewing"	08:08
+perlDreamer	...reading	08:08
@preaction	basically she wants to allow Redirect asset to appear in Layout as a link	08:09
@preaction	and I think that might be a good idea, especially if Layouts get used more	08:09
@preaction	i don't use layouts as much as i probably should, but they're powerful tools	08:09
+perlDreamer	this almost doesn't sound like a template to me	08:10
+perlDreamer	more like a mode toggle	08:10
+perlDreamer	Display redirect?	08:10
+perlDreamer	or Force Redirect?	08:10
@preaction	i want a template so that more can be done, like one of those buttons on the webgui.org page Learn, Participate, Support, or whatever	08:10
+perlDreamer	If you allow a null template, you may have to subclass prepareView, view and www_view, since they assume (falsely) that the template is always accessible.	08:12
@preaction	okay, so then the "Show in Layout" toggle would work better	08:14
@preaction	it would explicitly say "This will only appear in page layouts"	08:14
@preaction	and then clicking "yes" can enable the user to select a template	08:14
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+perlDreamer	okay, it's a little more work than I thought going back through 19 revisions of template changes	08:34
+perlDreamer	but Rogier has a list of all templates that changed in each revision, along with the commit comment	08:35
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10665 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: Survey Branch Expressions now allow you to "tag" data along the way and store	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: it in the response data structure along with the actual user input. Tag data	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: can be used in subsequent expressions, in [[tag]] templated text replacement,	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: and to classify responses in an arbitrary way.	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: Refactored Survey expression utility subs that lookup values/scores/tags in	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: external assets.	09:36
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@plainhao	was template_attachments added recently?	16:52
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+bartjol	plainhao: where is that added?	17:05
@plainhao	yeah, it's in wg svn HEAD, WebGUI::Asset::Template	17:07
+bartjol	ah	17:10
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+bartjol	plainhao: a paul added template attachements last friday, as far as I can see	17:14
@plainhao	thanks, bartjol, i just saw that :)	17:15
+bartjol	not sure who paul is, but bug him about it :)	17:16
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+bartjol	perlDreamer!	17:48
+perlDreamer	hey, bartjol!	17:48
* perlDreamer needs to take kids to school in a few minutes, but I'll be right back		17:48
+bartjol	ok	17:48
@tavisto	Hello Big Dutch Girlyman!	17:48
+bartjol	hee tavisto!	17:50
+bartjol	everything Ok?	17:51
@tavisto	yep, been very busy and hopefully we'll have some of our newest leads turn into customers	17:51
+bartjol	cool, was that from those latest ad:tech?	17:52
@tavisto	yeah quite a few new leads from that	17:52
@tavisto	and some others that just came in from the web and cmsmatrix	17:52
+bartjol	nice	17:52
+bartjol	also rock stars?	17:53
@tavisto	one definitely has the potential	17:53
+bartjol	and further, already having kids?	17:55
+bartjol	I mostly have some muscle ache from sailing and "remodelling my house" with a sledgehammer	17:57
@tavisto	nice... did you go on a long sailing trip?	17:59
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+bartjol	no, just one day with 4 short races. but that gives you only less time to rest, so I was pretty tired	18:01
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+bartjol	in 2 weeks I will be sailing to Englanf	18:01
+bartjol	England	18:01
+perlDreamer	wow!	18:07
+perlDreamer	you have an ocean going sail boat, bartjol?	18:08
@tavisto	he has a 10ft dingy	18:10
+bartjol	no a 27 foot pion	18:11
+bartjol	and it's not mine	18:11
+bartjol	it's from a father's friend	18:12
+bartjol	a friend's father	18:12
+bartjol	and no tavisto, I'm not suicidal	18:14
@tavisto	hehe I know, I learned to sail in like a 12ft dingy.. and it was on a lake	18:14
@tavisto	it wouldn't last 5 minutes in the ocean	18:14
+bartjol	http://www.pionklasse.nl/pionnenboek?wid=122&func=viewSubmission&sid=69	18:15
carogray	bartjol: -to where in England are you sailing? I will be in Norfolk in 3 weeks!	18:15
+bartjol	Wolverstone, between Harwich and Ipswitch	18:16
+bartjol	http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=woolverstone&sll=37.062500,-95.677068&sspn=54.005807,127.529297&ie=UTF8&cd=1&t=h&z=14&iwloc=A	18:17
@tavisto	cool	18:17
carogray	aah too far south for us..	18:18
+bartjol	alas	18:19
carogray	my husband will be windsurfing all over the coast when the wind is good - except only near us - in Holt. wouldn't it have been funny if you "ran" into each other:P	18:19
+perlDreamer	bartjol, just keeping heading east, and you can sail to Madison	18:20
+bartjol	last time I sailed there I met a friend of mine in the bathroom, he also sailed that race	18:20
+bartjol	eee, you have a small little island in between: great britain	18:20
+bartjol	and a few 100's of miles USA perlDreamer	18:22
+perlDreamer	once you hit North America, just said up around toward Canada, and take a left	18:23
+perlDreamer	that'll get you to a series of large lakes	18:24
+perlDreamer	follow them until you get to michigan	18:24
+perlDreamer	once you're there, we'll take care of the rest	18:24
+bartjol	rent a car, follow route 90 west, I believe, get off at madison etc	18:25
+bartjol	perlDreamer: Illinois also ok, at leat I know my way in Chicago	18:31
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+perlDreamer	what's the good word, SynQ?	19:04
SynQ	the right word is love	20:03
SynQ	the good word, depends on the bad and the ugly one	20:03
@preaction	wow, this year's wuc is going to be awesome	20:34
@preaction	there are so many presentations i want to see... and of course some HAVE to conflict	20:35
+perlDreamer	is the schedule finalized?	20:35
@preaction	it's up on the site, i know that much	20:35
@preaction	it's mostly the beginner courses i want to see, they're a lot about how to use webgui to accomplish goals	20:36
@preaction	Lisa's "Social WebGUI" and Chris's WebGUI in Government	20:36
@preaction	Roy's Enterprise WebGUI	20:37
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+perlDreamer	BartJol? You're back	21:02
+BartJol	I am	21:02
+BartJol	got problems?	21:03
+perlDreamer	I do, do you have a little time?	21:03
+BartJol	sure	21:04
+perlDreamer	Please read this: http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-coders-and-translators.html?showComment=1241409480000#c892450259529363533	21:04
+perlDreamer	I found a fellow who would help us with the french translation of WebGUI	21:04
+BartJol	that's cool	21:04
+perlDreamer	he has a question about international characters	21:05
+perlDreamer	whether they should be HTML encoded, or straight characters	21:05
* perlDreamer doesn't know		21:05
+BartJol	ai	21:05
@preaction	the HTML encoding should happen by the translation server itself, if it doesn't i would consider that a bug	21:05
+BartJol	dutch hasn't gor that much strange characters (a lot of strange people we do have though)	21:06
+perlDreamer	what about unlauts, accents, and so on?	21:06
+BartJol	mostly german	21:06
+BartJol	but we have some	21:06
+perlDreamer	Haarg, you're our resident utf8 guru (due to long suffering experience). What do you think?	21:07
+BartJol	in the last editor that wasn't a problem	21:07
+BartJol	dor me	21:08
+BartJol	for	21:08
+BartJol	but I agree with preaction that they should be encoded by the serevr	21:09
@preaction	if it's even necessary to encode them, that is	21:09
@preaction	user shouldn't care	21:09
* preaction imagines a world where the translation server outputs multiple types of i18n files		21:10
+BartJol	how are the i18n messages encoded now?	21:10
@preaction	i don't know	21:10
* perlDreamer thinks that the i18n server is utf8 safe		21:10
+perlDreamer	just like WebGUI	21:10
@preaction	damnit, another project i want to do... make the encoder/decoder in the translation server pluggable	21:11
+BartJol	it says "use utf8" in the script	21:11
@preaction	that just means the code might contain utf8 characters in it	21:11
+perlDreamer	no, it's for utf8 handling	21:12
@preaction	which would be those i18n modules, since they're perl code	21:12
+perlDreamer	the filehandles use utf8	21:12
@preaction	i thought Encode was for utf8 string handling	21:12
@preaction	and "use utf8" was for utf8 inside code (like the Perl modules we use for i18n)	21:12
+perlDreamer	you're right. It's for when i18n modules are required into the code.	21:13
+BartJol	I do see html encoded stuff in the messages	21:14
+BartJol	mm, also see messages without code for same characters	21:18
+perlDreamer	that's a Data::Dumper bug	21:21
+BartJol	that is on my server. now I'm seaking for the messages in my site	21:22
+BartJol	both seem to work fine	21:23
+perlDreamer	cool, I'll let him know that	21:30
+perlDreamer	thanks, BartJol!	21:30
+perlDreamer	there's another guy on that site who says he may translate some Esperanto	21:31
+BartJol	ok, dinner time	21:37
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knowmad	perlDreamer: i have a blocked send queued email messages workflow; got a minute to help me investigate it?	21:43
+perlDreamer	knowmad, actually I have to head off for a run	21:44
knowmad	ok, i'll see what i can learn	21:44
knowmad	have a good run	21:44
* perlDreamer guesses you will find that the currentActivityId is blank		21:44
knowmad	in what table?	21:44
+perlDreamer	WorkflowInstance	21:45
knowmad	i've got nothing in there	21:45
+perlDreamer	and the workflow still won't run?	21:45
+perlDreamer	now I'm curious	21:45
+perlDreamer	but I still have to head out	21:45
+perlDreamer	making the running partner mad only means more miles	21:45
knowmad	:)	21:46
knowmad	later	21:46
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189 for reference about the empty currentActivityid	21:46
+perlDreamer	knowmad, the running partner is late, so I have 10 minutes	21:51
+perlDreamer	any error messages in the webgui.log?	21:52
knowmad	yes, i'm seeing spectre connection errors	21:54
knowmad	was just reading over the bug report	21:54
knowmad	this is happening on a site that has 2 domains operating out of a single database -- like pb and webgui.org	21:54
knowmad	actually, there are more like 16 domains....	21:55
+perlDreamer	out of 1 db?	21:55
+perlDreamer	wow	21:55
knowmad	yep, they run training courses	21:55
knowmad	we prob wouldn't do it this way again	21:55
knowmad	but we do have the webgui/etc/conf files for each of these subdomains which i wonder if we really need	21:56
knowmad	they are definitely causing spectre errors	21:56
+perlDreamer	so it's more like the main site has 16 aliases, or 16 branches all running off of 1 "real" WebGUI site?	21:57
knowmad	yes	21:59
+perlDreamer	yeah, then AFAIK, you don't need conf files for the subdomains	22:00
+perlDreamer	spectre will make requests for data for all of them	22:00
+perlDreamer	which will make duplicates of every cron job	22:00
knowmad	that might be the issue	22:00
knowmad	i just restarted spectre and mail is flowing again	22:00
+perlDreamer	what were the connection errors?	22:01
knowmad	let me get my log	22:01
knowmad	500 Internal Server Error	22:02
+perlDreamer	are there corresponding apache error log entries?	22:03
knowmad	checking...	22:03
knowmad	lots of db connection errors and then -- Label not found for "last WEBGUI_FATAL" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 235.	22:06
knowmad	hadn't seen that one before	22:06
+perlDreamer	sorry, knowmad, this makes twice that I need to run out on you.	22:06
+perlDreamer	I'd file this as a new bug	22:06
+perlDreamer	since the WEBGUI_FATAL label _does_ exist over in URL/Content.pm, line 58	22:07
+perlDreamer	later	22:07
knowmad	ok	22:07
knowmad	the problem is that this is showing up in v7.5.40 which is not supported; anyone using that version who has patched this error?	22:10
@preaction	quick advice needed on refactoring the Collab system: the "sub getThreadsPaginator" is huge, and devotes nearly 20 lines to getting which column to sort by. should that be moved into its own sub?	22:44
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@Haarg	preaction, that sounds like a good idea	22:59
@preaction	okay, so i'll try to granulate the collab system	23:00
@preaction	but i have to write the tests first, then i can granulate, then i can test the newly granulated method	23:00
@preaction	evil...	23:00
@Haarg	also, re: pluggable encoder/decoder in the translation server	23:00
@Haarg	what are you referring to with that?	23:00
@preaction	we could use the translationserver.cgi to also do GNU gettext or some other program's proprietary database i18n or something	23:01
slickware	I just got the WUC2009 email - looks like it's filling up nicely	23:01
@preaction	make the translation server generally useful, to lead an effort to crowd-source i18n for more programs	23:01
@Haarg	hmm	23:01
@preaction	like the blog post perlDreamer linked to suggests	23:01
@preaction	i dunno if it's possible, or even a good idea, but probably a few projects have i18n like ours (just key => value pairs essentially)	23:02
@Haarg	i've started work on a new translation server, but it can't do much yet	23:03
@preaction	ooh nice	23:04
@Haarg	but it's very specific to our usage - getting it to handle that would be even harder than doing so with the current translation server	23:04
@preaction	aww	23:05
@preaction	eh, it's not a priority	23:05
@preaction	just another wall-banging idea	23:05
@Haarg	i still have to adjust and finalize the design in a few places though, so i'll keep that in mind	23:05
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@Haarg	i should try to get it cleaned up enough to where i could put it on github	23:07
+perlmonkey2	Anyone do anything outside on May 1st?	23:14
@preaction	nope, was supposed to go for a bike ride but couldn't	23:15
@preaction	today is beautiful though, so i can make it up	23:15
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+perlmonkey2	preaction: not funny?	23:41
@preaction	didn't watch yet	23:42
@preaction	that's beautiful	23:44
+perlmonkey2	yeah, totally made my day.	23:44
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+perlDreamer	wow, so all you Plain Black guys don't have to present this year	23:53
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'm trying to think of a way to automatically test shipping and payment drivers that require development keys	01:07
+perlDreamer	is it safe to stash them in the config file?	01:07
@Haarg	so anyone can run the tests?	01:08
+perlDreamer	well, no	01:11
+perlDreamer	developer keys are licensed on a 1/person basis	01:12
+perlDreamer	so I can't hardcode a set inside the tests	01:12
+perlDreamer	so the config file was the next best option I could think of	01:12
@Haarg	developer keys are separate from user keys?	01:12
@Haarg	or whatever the person running the site would need?	01:13
+perlDreamer	yes. they go to a non-production server	01:13
+perlDreamer	at least for this 1 driver setup I've found	01:13
+perlDreamer	for ITransact, you tell the remote end whether it is a test or not.	01:13
+perlDreamer	but for others, you get a developer key, or a user key	01:13
@preaction	i like the ITransact way :p	01:14
@Haarg	well, the config file seems as good as any place for a developer key. user keys would need to be in the ui of course.	01:15
+perlDreamer	yeah	01:19
+perlDreamer	in all likelihood, only 2-3 people will ever run the tests	01:19
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zylopfa	Wouldn't it be a good idea to make the "Send Mail To Group" function be templatable?	01:43
zylopfa	So you can send mail where fields in the userProfileData and user tables can be used in mails?	01:44
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+perlDreamer	zylopfa, that almost sounds like something you could do with macros	01:54
+perlDreamer	are they evaluated in that email?	01:54
zylopfa	Its because i have a group with 400 members i wish to send an email with invitation to testdrive the site	01:54
zylopfa	and in the mail i need vars such as <ttmpl_var username> <tmpl_var temppassword>	01:55
zylopfa	Macros arent evaluated in the sendtogroup function	01:55
zylopfa	I tested it a moment ago	01:55
zylopfa	Imo it should be templatable cause when you send out to a group chance is you wish to use some fields in userProfileData	01:56
zylopfa	to make the mails more personal	01:56
zylopfa	I will make a Mailer.pm wobject i think to facilitate sending mail to groups with templated messages	02:00
zylopfa	instead of grinding at the core of webgui	02:00
zylopfa	Its the whole group mailing function that is assuming that each of the group will receive the exact same mail	02:00
+perlDreamer	it would be a good RFE to add macros to the send group mail	02:01
+perlDreamer	1 line of code	02:01
zylopfa	yeah perlDreamer but that dont change it	02:01
+perlDreamer	and safe from security, since only admins can use that function	02:01
+perlDreamer	huh?	02:01
zylopfa	if you macro ^User(name);	02:01
+perlDreamer	yes	02:01
zylopfa	in the message you send	02:01
zylopfa	it will only have Admin in it	02:01
zylopfa	for all the users	02:01
+perlDreamer	no :)	02:01
zylopfa	yeah	02:02
zylopfa	Cause the mail function send 1 mail	02:02
+perlDreamer	no	02:02
zylopfa	it dont iterate the messages	02:02
zylopfa	it only send it with changed email address	02:02
+perlDreamer	Operation/Group.pm, line 634	02:02
+perlDreamer	toGroup = $session->form->process('gid')	02:02
+perlDreamer	that makes it send 1 email to each person in the group	02:02
+perlDreamer	and they're processed individually	02:02
zylopfa	yesh but look in the mail sender	02:02
zylopfa	look in that sub	02:03
zylopfa	I will make this wob	02:03
zylopfa	WebGUI::Mail::Send->create	02:03
+perlDreamer	it pushes 1 email into the queue	02:03
zylopfa	yes	02:03
+perlDreamer	but it sends 1 email to each user in the group	02:03
zylopfa	and wont iterate it	02:03
zylopfa	yeah but it wont change the email body	02:03
+perlDreamer	that is what would need to change	02:04
zylopfa	sure you can make it do it	02:04
zylopfa	but its more than 1 line	02:04
+perlDreamer	you're right, it is more than 1 line	02:04
zylopfa	Sir	02:05
zylopfa	Also you have to change the send thing	02:05
+perlDreamer	yes, indeed	02:06
zylopfa	and perhaps the queue function also	02:06
+perlDreamer	queue would have to be modified to handle sending to a single person	02:07
zylopfa	yeah	02:07
zylopfa	For now i will make a wobject with a "Group" field, a HTMLArea field, subject field	02:07
zylopfa	and when i send with my wobject, it will interpolate all the fields in userProfileData with <tmpl_var profilefield>	02:08
zylopfa	I so love the webgui API, its simply genious	02:09
zylopfa	I am calling my new wobject GroupMailer	02:10
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* patspam is sad there's only 2 days of wuc talks now		02:24
* zylopfa comforts patspam		02:25
+perlDreamer	patspam, maybe we should hold an extra conference day on Wednesday, anyway	02:26
+patspam	hackathon?	02:26
+perlDreamer	sure!	02:26
+patspam	sweet!	02:27
+perlDreamer	JT's house has 3 levels	02:27
+perlDreamer	1 level for each track	02:27
+patspam	heheh awesome	02:27
+perlDreamer	API hacking on the first floor	02:27
+perlDreamer	UI hacking on the 2nd floor	02:27
+perlDreamer	and leftover hacking (business, management, strategy) on the 3rd floor	02:27
+patspam	and lightning talks at lunch :)	02:27
zylopfa	sounda awesome	02:28
+perlDreamer	you coming, zylopfa?	02:28
zylopfa	to bad i am no there :/	02:28
zylopfa	Its in the US isnt it ?	02:28
+perlDreamer	maybe you could hitch a ride on BatJol's boat	02:28
zylopfa	haha nice	02:28
zylopfa	I definately wanna come some time	02:28
+perlDreamer	it's like 5 times better than IRC, since you can see people	02:33
* patspam heads out for coffee		02:34
zylopfa	I have read all about you guys so you are the only ones I "know"	02:35
zylopfa	would be awesome to meet up at wuc	02:35
zylopfa	I am going for 1000+ karma this year i only have 542 atm :(	02:41
+perlDreamer	how do you earn your karma?	02:42
zylopfa	I have made some of the danish translation (i am the only from Denmark doing it)	02:44
zylopfa	And i have fixed some small bugs	02:44
* perlDreamer would give you 1000 karma for 50% completion of the Danish translation		02:44
zylopfa	and i have made a thing in the bazaar that some liked	02:44
zylopfa	awesome perlDreamer	02:44
zylopfa	I have yet to understand why not many from Denmark use webgui	02:45
zylopfa	Its gold waiting to be picked up imo	02:45
+perlDreamer	it's just that people don't know about it	02:45
zylopfa	yeah true	02:45
zylopfa	but maybe also cause you need to know about linux to get it installed	02:46
+perlDreamer	yes, installation is still hard	02:46
+perlDreamer	time for me to make dinner for the kids, be back later	02:47
zylopfa	I am lucky that i know everything about linux to host webgui, i have my own 1 man company that design, host and make apps for webgui	02:47
zylopfa	Take care perlDreamer !	02:47
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zylopfa	If you have a variable $message containing template variable tags	05:11
zylopfa	how can you prepare it, like you do normal templates?	05:12
zylopfa	I want to replace all <tmpl_var something> in this variable with the $var fields	05:12
+patspam	zylopfa: in your wobject code?	05:13
zylopfa	yes Sir	05:13
+patspam	do you want to add those vars to an existing template that's being used?	05:13
+patspam	or template something that currently isn't templated?	05:13
zylopfa	just a simple text scalar i wish to replace <tmpl_var something> tags with the %var things	05:14
+patspam	ah ok	05:14
zylopfa	return $self->processTemplate($var,$my-text);	05:14
zylopfa	something like this	05:14
+patspam	you use the same template engine that the rest of webgui uses	05:14
zylopfa	but not with a template variable	05:14
zylopfa	I just wish my $text variable containing the text from a htmlarea to be the template	05:15
zylopfa	can that be done?	05:15
+patspam	sure!	05:16
+patspam	if I understand you correctly..	05:16
zylopfa	I GOT IT NOW :D	05:17
zylopfa	sub processTemplate {	05:17
zylopfa	my $self = shift;	05:17
zylopfa	my $var = shift;	05:17
zylopfa	my $templateId = shift;	05:17
zylopfa	my $template = shift;	05:17
zylopfa	sorry for spam	05:17
+patspam	that's ok.. you can use pastebin	05:17
+patspam	webgui.pastebin.com	05:17
zylopfa	but i see that it just needs an argument more which can be the template	05:17
zylopfa	in pure text	05:17
zylopfa	god i love webgui all is taken care of	05:17
zylopfa	patspam, I just made a GroupMailer wobject	05:18
zylopfa	a simple thing that has a Group, Subject and mail message	05:18
+patspam	congratulations :)	05:19
zylopfa	and then it sends the mail message to all users in the group, and it also substitute template variables like <tmpl_var username> and	05:19
+patspam	great to hear that you've caught the webgui bug =D	05:19
zylopfa	all fields in the userProfileData	05:19
zylopfa	I made a Wobject for it instead of changing the code	05:19
+perlDreamer	zylopfa is porting an old website with ~10K users to WebGUI	05:19
zylopfa	yeah perlDreamer	05:20
+patspam	legend!	05:20
zylopfa	i make this wobject to send out to 400 of the users to test the beta version	05:20
zylopfa	i neede the mail i send to be like: Dear <tmpl_var username> ... bla bla here is your password <tmpl_var tmppassword>	05:21
+patspam	zylopfa: doing it as a wobject is totally fine, but next time around you might want to do it as a Content Handler instead.. you still have access to the same awesome webgui API, but instead of having a wobject that conceptually is an asset to be added (possibly in multiple places) as content, you have a single interface that controls your mailouts	05:23
zylopfa	ahh thanks a lot patspam, it makes more sense as you say to have 1 on the entire site instead of being able to add more of them	05:24
+perlDreamer	it would be be even better if the Mail/Send API didn't suck and it was easy to evaluate Macros in emails sent from WebGUI	05:25
zylopfa	yeah true perlDreamer	05:25
zylopfa	I didnt wanna mess with it thats why i made the wobject	05:25
zylopfa	cause its in the design that you have to change some things	05:25
zylopfa	in the way the mailer was designed from the start	05:25
+perlDreamer	exactly	05:26
zylopfa	Its strange though that it assumes you wish to send the totaly same mail to a group of users	05:26
zylopfa	ok you can send a newsletter out but i like the personalization bit	05:26
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+perlDreamer	submit an RFE about it, zylopfa	05:30
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zylopfa	yeah I will do it now	05:30
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+perlDreamer	we'll figure it out someday	05:30
+perlDreamer	unless you get to it first :)	05:30
zylopfa	Also i have a question about User->profileField	05:30
+perlDreamer	yes?	05:30
zylopfa	it can return a users profile field using profileField(fieldname)	05:31
zylopfa	I was wondering why it doesnt have a profileField() way to be called	05:31
zylopfa	so it return all the profilefields as a hash	05:31
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elnino	when I do a ps aux, should the number of modproxy = modperls?	05:34
+perlDreamer	it could zylopfa. it just doesn't	05:35
zylopfa	elnino, I think so i have equal numbers on my install	05:36
elnino	I usually do too, but for somereason I do not a this time. Just happened to look.	05:36
elnino	in the wre.conf file, what is the difference between wreMonitor -> modproxyAdministrativelyDown and wreMonitor->items->modproxy ?	05:49
@preaction	elnino: the wremonitor keeps track if you wanted to restart mysql, (that's administratively down), and it temporarily doesn't check it	05:53
elnino	preaction, then what does wreMonitor->items->modproxy control?	05:54
@preaction	whether or not it should monitor modproxy at all	05:55
elnino	so if I disable wreMonitor->items->modproxy, then I don't need to do wreMonitor->moproxyAdministrativelyDown?	05:55
elnino	s/need to/need to disable	05:55
elnino	and if I have wreMonitor->items->modproxy enabled, and modproxyAdministravelyDown disabled, what would wreMonitor do? just tell me? and not try to restart it?	05:56
@preaction	right	05:56
@preaction	modproxyAdministrativelyDown is set by wreservice.pl, it's not something you do manually	05:57
elnino	oh. then why is it in the conf file?? =)	05:57
elnino	I'll go fix my wiki. =)	05:57
@preaction	probably because it was just easier to put it there for JT	05:57
elnino	lol	05:57
elnino	it's set by wreservice or wremonitor?	05:59
@preaction	wreservice.pl	06:01
elnino	preaction - do YOU konw if when ps aux is performed if the number of modproxy should equal modperls? I stopped the services on my server, double checked they were gone, and started them, and they still don't equal the same number.	06:01
elnino	theres less modperls than there are modproxies.	06:02
elnino	thanks for clarifying myother quesiton. I fixed my wiki	06:02
elnino	.	06:03
elnino	zylopfa and I were both under the impression that the number of each should equal.	06:03
@preaction	modproxy should be more, since it will serve static files as well	06:04
elnino	oh. ok. I used to have 10/10 and I now am noticing I have 14/7. Plus I think my modproxy is proxying an apache site (which I suspect would also affect this). I guess I never saw this before.	06:05
elnino	I suppose it depends on the time of day.	06:05
elnino	tomorrow, I'll be upgrading to 7.6 yippee!!	06:06
elnino	long awaited. Have a good night all!	06:07
+patspam	night elnino!	06:21
* patspam heads off for lunch		06:21
zylopfa	anyone on for a quick question?	06:39
@preaction	perhaps	06:43
zylopfa	I am working on making my $text variable be templated	06:44
zylopfa	and i have found the function	06:44
zylopfa	my $message= WebGUI::Asset::Template->processRaw($session,$tmpmsg,$var);	06:44
zylopfa	but it wont do anything :( the <tmpl_var > in the text doesn't get substituted	06:45
zylopfa	sure i could just do a s/<tmpl_var fieldName>/$var->{'fieldname'}/gi;	06:52
zylopfa	but that seems lame when there is a template system already in place	06:52
@preaction	so $tmpmsg contains "<tmpl_var something>" and $var contains { something => "some text" } ?	06:54
zylopfa	Exactly	06:54
@preaction	can you pastebin the actual code somewhere? or a minimal test case perhaps?	06:55
zylopfa	the only thing i get in the $message is the original text with the "<tmpl_var something> in them	06:55
zylopfa	so the processor return the string i gave it but doesnt seem to substitute anything	06:55
zylopfa	LOL preaction i found out why!!	07:06
zylopfa	sometimes i am too stupid for my own good	07:09
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CIA-23	webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rf023b7e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Improved Survey exportStructure - http://bit.ly/EKldZ	09:55
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zylopfa	Greetings Webguians!	16:19
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+perlDreamer	bopbop, preaction, Haarg: we need a SPAM post removed from the forum	18:52
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/web_design_templates_and_themes/combining-response-driven-with-section-survey/5#id2sbscGbO33OJsV9eR3HM0A	18:52
@bopbop	gone	18:57
@bopbop	there were three users who posted a bunch of those last nige	18:57
@bopbop	night	18:57
+perlDreamer	grrrr	18:57
@bopbop	yep	18:58
+perlDreamer	what they seem to be doing is taking posts, copying the contents, and then inserting spam links into the original post.	18:58
+perlDreamer	even the username is suspect, yahoohao	18:58
@bopbop	yeah, not nice	18:58
@bopbop	there was another called sinalong	18:58
+perlDreamer	nice	18:58
+perlDreamer	at first, with that yahoohao username, I thought plainhao was testing a SPAM filter	19:01
+perlDreamer	then I realized that if he had, he would have deleted it after the test	19:01
@bopbop	I assumed yahoohao was hao from our staff	19:02
@bopbop	so I didn't look at that one	19:02
@bopbop	oh yeah... what you just said	19:02
@bopbop	:)	19:02
* plainhao was elsewhere doing other naughty things, truly.		19:03
@plainhao	how's your thumb, bopbop?	19:04
@bopbop	sore	19:04
@bopbop	not good	19:04
@plainhao	how's your kid, failed the test?	19:04
+perlDreamer	what happened to the thumb?	19:04
@bopbop	failed the test-yeah!	19:04
@plainhao	cool	19:04
* plainhao is happy that bopbop's kid failed the official test.		19:05
@bopbop	I cut off the corner of my thumb yesterday while chopping some vegetables- took off a a good chunk of the fingernail and underlying nail bed and the the side/corner	19:05
+perlDreamer	ouch!	19:05
@plainhao	did you go to e.r.?	19:05
@bopbop	no	19:05
@bopbop	probably should have	19:06
+perlDreamer	yes!	19:06
+perlDreamer	they can reattach if you go quickly	19:06
* plainhao is amazed at cheeseheads.		19:06
+perlDreamer	that happened to my mom	19:06
+perlDreamer	she cut off part of her thumb with an axe	19:06
+perlDreamer	(not while chopping vegetables)	19:06
@bopbop	it gives me the willies every time I change the bandage - yikes, an ax?	19:06
@bopbop	chopping off chicken heads instead?	19:06
+perlDreamer	she was chopping wood	19:06
@bopbop	ow	19:07
+perlDreamer	don't ask why her hand was on the wood while chopping	19:07
@bopbop	hehe	19:07
* plainhao thinks she should've asked someone else to hold the wood.		19:07
+perlDreamer	I was inside on a break	19:07
+perlDreamer	otherwise I would have chopped it off for her	19:07
@bopbop	did she get it reattached	19:07
@bopbop	or was she tough	19:08
+perlDreamer	she did	19:08
@bopbop	like me	19:08
+perlDreamer	s/tough/other adjective/;	19:08
+perlDreamer	she even got the feeling back after a couple of years	19:08
@bopbop	I actually was being kind of a chicken- I was afraid they would cauterize it, which I hear hurts really bad	19:08
+perlDreamer	in the meantime, she used it to stir hot coffee	19:08
@bopbop	yeah, my thumb is pretty numb	19:08
@bopbop	nice	19:08
+perlDreamer	that's my mom	19:08
+perlDreamer	you should still have a doctor look at it, bopbop	19:09
@bopbop	we'll see	19:09
@bopbop	the bleeding has slowed way down	19:09
@bopbop	so I think I'm in the clear, but if the pain picks up or things start to turn colors I'll go in	19:10
@bopbop	there's not really anything they can do at this point	19:10
+perlDreamer	rum	19:11
+perlDreamer	good astringent and pain medication	19:11
@bopbop	yeah	19:11
@bopbop	It is cinco de mayo- tequila might work too	19:11
+perlDreamer	there ya go	19:11
+perlDreamer	so how come all the other PB guys got to wiggle out of their WUC talks but you're still on?	19:12
@bopbop	cuz I'm cool	19:12
@bopbop	I don't know actually	19:12
@bopbop	but I'm fine with it	19:12
+perlDreamer	there's not even PB&J, so you must be way cool	19:12
@bopbop	obviously	19:12
+perlDreamer	yeah. Just so you know, there are other ways to celebrate Cinco de Mayo instead of making the thumb red, green and white.	19:14
@bopbop	oh I'm sure	19:14
@bopbop	but I can wave my thumb in the air like the flag	19:15
@bopbop	so it's convenient	19:15
* perlDreamer thinks if he teases you much more about it that the thumb may be replaced with another finger.		19:15
@bopbop	:)	19:15
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zylopfa	Greetings, all the americanos are up now ;)	19:59
+perlmonkey2	Vote, worst Perl OO implementation?	20:04
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, we need some more context for that one...	20:06
+perlDreamer	gotta scoot, gym time	20:07
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: well, was the original OO of just blessed hashes worst? inside-out? etc?	20:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10666 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Fix wrong attribute for script tag in Dataform.	20:08
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10667 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Backporting script attribute fix for Form/Textarea	20:08
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topsub	Is there a way to disable emails that a user would get from buying something from webgui?	21:26
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+perlDreamer	topsub, in 7.7 there will be	22:47
+perlDreamer	I think	22:47
+perlDreamer	in 7.7 there will be a way to configure how/if you get inbox notifications	22:47
topsub	pd, ahh	22:48
topsub	i think i found the sub that sends out emails that i will override if the client approves the time	22:48
topsub	we have a custom pay driver that i can move the sub into and almost "null" it out	22:48
* perlDreamer can't remember whether that emails directly, or whether it is an inbox message.		22:55
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+perlDreamer	it goes through the inbox	22:58
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+perlDreamer	hey, Haarg!	23:03
@Haarg	greetings	23:03
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+perlDreamer	EPO Ironman is up to 100 signups in its first month	23:16
+perlDreamer	including recent submits from patspam and perlDreamer	23:16
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I think there may be a bug in Crud's serialized data types	00:55
+perlDreamer	are you close to release?	00:55
@Haarg	yes	00:55
@Haarg	what is the bug?	00:55
+perlDreamer	I have a crud field set to serialize automatically	00:56
+perlDreamer	when I call update on it, it writes data to the database, then it resets the field to be the dataDefaultValue	00:56
@Haarg	hrm	00:56
+perlDreamer	that's what it looks like anyway	00:56
+perlDreamer	and there's no use of serialize in the core so far	00:57
+perlDreamer	time to start writing tests with a dummy class :)	00:57
@Haarg	well, this isn't a priority for the release since crud isn't even used in core in 7.6	00:58
+perlDreamer	no, I just wanted to know how much time I had	00:58
+perlDreamer	also, dataDefault for the field needs to be a string to create the database, but it needs to be a data structure when building the object	01:00
@Haarg	fun	01:02
@Haarg	assets have the same problems	01:02
+perlDreamer	really?	01:02
+perlDreamer	how do the assets handle it?	01:02
@Haarg	default is used both for form controls and for update	01:02
+perlDreamer	oy	01:02
+perlDreamer	so it breaks for the list types, or is there a fix in there?	01:03
@Haarg	form controls accept whatever they are designed to, sometimes strings, sometimes structs. update only accepts strings.	01:03
@Haarg	no fix yet	01:03
+perlDreamer	any opinions on "the right way" to fix Crud?	01:03
@Haarg	that was the problem wgd edit Template was running into if you remember	01:03
+perlDreamer	oh, yes	01:03
@Haarg	we 'fixed' it by changing the default to a string instead of an array	01:03
@Haarg	since there was no reason for it to be an array anyway	01:04
@Haarg	but that didn't help the underlying cause	01:04
@Haarg	crud should be simpler to fix i would think	01:04
+perlDreamer	it's all the same codebase, so basically yes	01:04
@Haarg	hmm	01:04
* perlDreamer is tempted to do the other fix		01:04
+perlDreamer	and make dataDefault a data structure	01:04
@Haarg	does it use the forms api as well?	01:05
+perlDreamer	well, you can hack it to make it do that	01:05
+perlDreamer	that would mean, strings	01:05
@Haarg	better for it not to really	01:05
@Haarg	the correct fix for asset's problem is to have update run every value through the forms api	01:05
@Haarg	which is kind of a significant change and i don't like the speed implications it will have	01:06
+perlDreamer	no, that wouldn't be fast	01:06
@Haarg	crud is more self contained so i would think it could just convert the default as needed	01:06
+perlDreamer	from string to data?	01:06
+perlDreamer	or the other way?	01:07
* perlDreamer is leaning toward string, because it's very nice to have HTMLForm->dynamicForm build the forms for your Crud methods		01:07
+perlDreamer	(which I'd forgotten about earlier)	01:07
@Haarg	i think allowing structures in the default would be preferable	01:09
+perlDreamer	why?	01:10
@Haarg	because the whole point of the Crud, including the serialize flag is that you shouldn't have to think about the underlying storage mechanism	01:12
@Haarg	form controls generally accept structs for value/default	01:12
+perlDreamer	this is true	01:12
+perlDreamer	wg8 can't come soon enough	01:13
+perlDreamer	we won't have time/resources to fix it all though, will we?	01:13
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@Haarg	not really	01:13
+perlDreamer	I don't think data structures will work with serialize	01:14
@Haarg	why not?	01:14
+perlDreamer	what kind of Form type is JSON?	01:14
@Haarg	this is a problem in update?	01:14
+perlDreamer	we store it as text in the db	01:15
@Haarg	<perlDreamer> I don't think data structures will work with serialize < you mean when using it with forms or fixing your initial problem?	01:16
+perlDreamer	I mean at all	01:16
+perlDreamer	I think they have to be strings	01:16
@Haarg	why?	01:16
@Haarg	fixing your initial problem is simple from what i see	01:16
+perlDreamer	well, because of the answer to the question I posed above, "What kind of Form type is JSON?"	01:17
+perlDreamer	serialized data is stored as text in the db	01:17
zylopfa	Hello WebGUIans	01:17
+perlDreamer	and crud_updateTable uses the form API to set column types	01:17
+perlDreamer	hm, SelectList works with hashes, but not arrays	01:20
+perlDreamer	and it's databaseFieldType is LONGTEXT	01:20
@Haarg	the same problem of how to define column type exists whether you allow structs or not	01:21
zylopfa	longtext is a big mofo with space	01:22
@Haarg	you have to handle serialized structs manually anyway with form -> crud storage	01:24
+perlDreamer	yes	01:24
@Haarg	so i don't think it makes a difference really	01:24
+perlDreamer	probably not, aside from handling update, crud_tableUpdate and everything else correctly	01:25
+perlDreamer	correctly and consistently	01:25
+perlDreamer	okay, I'll try data structures	01:25
@Haarg	crud->updateFromFormPost looks broken though	01:26
@Haarg	or maybe not	01:26
@Haarg	i guess not	01:26
+perlDreamer	it works okay, I've used it before, although not with a serialized data structure	01:26
+perlDreamer	okay, so here's the convention I think I'm going with	01:27
+perlDreamer	data structures in the crud_defintion	01:27
+perlDreamer	crud_getProperties returns the definition unaltered	01:27
+perlDreamer	users of crud_getProperties are expected to serialize when necessary	01:27
@Haarg	i think this is actually just a typo	01:30
+perlDreamer	in uFFP?	01:30
+perlDreamer	maybe we need a JSON dummy form type	01:31
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+perlDreamer	it is purposefully broken	01:31
+perlDreamer	never processes form data	01:31
@Haarg	http://gist.github.com/107254	01:31
+perlDreamer	yes, that's a typo, but then consider when create calls update with a data structure	01:33
+perlDreamer	which is where I am now	01:33
@Haarg	it will be encoded and stored	01:33
@Haarg	i guess i don't see the problem	01:36
+perlDreamer	I think the problem is that I'm tired, and not thinking straight	01:36
@Haarg	i'm going to fix that typo in 7.6	01:37
zylopfa	Sweet	01:38
@Haarg	i'll be back in a bit	01:39
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CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10669 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm:	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Only clone the data from Setting. This prevents trying to close the	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: session dbh twice and getting odd warning messages.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10670 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/ (Asset/Post.t Group.t Asset/Asset.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm):	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Provide a way for WebGUI::Test to register groups to clean up at	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: the end of a test.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Convert several tests to use that, including Post.t, which leaked Groups.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10671 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Forward port auto storage deletion code for WebGUI::Test.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10672 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Handle automatically cleaning up users at the end of a test.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10673 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Asset/Post.t: fix Post test cleaning up core groups	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10674 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Setting.pm t/Session/Setting.t):	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Have Setting's get work like other gets by returning a hashref when	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: no param is requested.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10675 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/ (Mail/Send.t smtpd.pl): improve handling of SMTP test server	02:03
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10676 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm): fixed: serialized fields in WebGUI::Crud were broken	02:03
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daviddelikat	is that a new package from CPAN that I need to install?	02:15
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ckotilHOME	Any one notice something funky about search results around 7.5.40? At 7.5.32 my search results would contain keywords in with the results. At 7.5.40 they only contain metadata. No more keywords.	04:18
ckotilHOME	change logs are sparse from 7.5.31 - 7.6.0	04:20
ckotilHOME	i guess ill upgrade from 7.5.32 to 7.5.40 manually untill i find the culprit	04:21
ckotilHOME	aha! funkiness appears at 7.5.35	04:30
ckotilHOME	ohh, i have major problems with this release. macro's arent executing.	04:40
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10680 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	05:54
CIA-23	WebGUI: Added Country question type to Survey	05:54
CIA-23	WebGUI: Refactored WebGUI::Form::Country so that it can be used to return a list of countries	05:54
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+perlDreamer	setRow will handle sparse data, won't it?	07:05
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CIA-23	WebGUI: Refactored Survey ExpressionEngine tag() util into tag() setter and tagged() accessor.	09:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Updated i18n to reflect the fact that min/max/step are used for all numeric types, not just slider.	09:02
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daviddelikat	is there a perl test function/module that will do a deep comparison of a JSON data set returned from a function?	15:19
+BartJol	daviddelikat: me thinks perldreamer will know	15:36
daviddelikat	thanks, that seems likely, he usually drops in around 10:ish I('ll have to aska gain then.	15:38
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+BartJol	to what do you want to compare it?	15:48
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+BartJol	mmm, I should code more	15:54
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+BartJol	happy birthday khenn_!	15:57
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@khenn	thanks Bart =)	15:57
+BartJol	how young are you now?	15:57
@khenn	34 years young	15:58
+BartJol	oooh, so you have some more happy years tanking to go!	15:58
+BartJol	very good	15:59
@khenn	yep	15:59
carogray	yoo hoo - how do you "force the calendar to update" to get a big webgui calendar to display feeds from little calendars?	16:04
carogray	I am going round and round with scheduler and workflows and cannot figure out steps to make the calendar update	16:05
carogray	I put 4 calendars in yesterday	16:05
carogray	added ?func=ical to the end of each of the URLs and then put those URLs in the big calendar	16:06
carogray	big calendar not showing little calendar's stuff	16:06
+BartJol	carogray: sorry I don't know	16:18
carogray	k- thanks	16:18
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daviddelikat	carogray: in your big calendar you need to set the feed interval	16:20
daviddelikat	it is on the display tab when you edit the asset.	16:21
carogray	ok will have a look	16:21
daviddelikat	no sorry, thats not the right bit, give me a minute...	16:22
carogray	whoops - yeah that didn't seem quite right "period of time displayed in the icalendar feed" doesn't look like what I need	16:26
daviddelikat	I know I've seen the setting but I cant remember quite where	16:26
daviddelikat	i'll have it in a minute though	16:26
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10682 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	16:27
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daviddelikat	carogray: there is supposed to be an 'update calendar feed' but it seems to have gone AWOL. I don't know why and unfortunately don't have any more time to investigate...	16:39
carogray	ok thanks... will keep it on my plate and continue asking passersby. Thanks for investigating and confirming my suspicions.	16:40
daviddelikat	i found it...	16:41
daviddelikat	from the adminmenu go to the workflow are	16:41
daviddelikat	...area	16:41
daviddelikat	then add new workflow	16:42
daviddelikat	it says 'no object' with a save butotn, click save	16:42
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daviddelikat	the update cal feed is the second on the list at the bottom, select it	16:43
daviddelikat	then save it	16:43
daviddelikat	then put a name in for the workflow and save it also	16:44
daviddelikat	don't forget to mark it as enabled	16:45
daviddelikat	carogray: are you catching this?	16:45
carogray	thanks - no I wasn't now I am paying attention!	16:46
daviddelikat	after you save the last bit then you can go to the schedular and schedule the workflow.	16:46
daviddelikat	does it make sense?	16:47
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carogray	what about Mode? I was just reading about serial, parallel and singleton...I am sure I don't want parallel - running in the background when WebGUI has time, nor singleton - I think I want serial	16:48
daviddelikat	I think singlton is what you want.	16:49
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daviddelikat	this is like email, in that you want it to run periodically, but not overlap	16:50
carogray	ok -	16:50
carogray	I will make it singleton	16:50
carogray	when I went to scheduler, it was already in there	16:50
daviddelikat	there is another workflow that schedules items that are enabled ...	16:52
carogray	aah so that workflow adds it to scheduler automatically	16:53
carogray	ok - well I ran it and of course....large calendar isn't showing small calendar's events :(	16:54
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CIA-23	WebGUI: martin * r10687 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Pluggable Tax: more POD, more tests, better code and less bugs	16:54
carogray	cleared server cache and browser cach	16:54
carogray	e	16:54
daviddelikat	then check to make sure the URLs are correct.	16:55
daviddelikat	the easy way to do that is to copy them from the calendar setup and paste them into the address location in your browser	16:56
daviddelikat	it should try to download the ical data to your desktop	16:56
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carogray	yup did that already just double checked again	17:00
carogray	I right click on the edit button for the calendar	17:00
carogray	then substitute 'edit' with 'ical'	17:00
carogray	I tried your way	17:00
carogray	ical link on calendar, save to desktop but it gives me	17:01
carogray	feed.ics	17:01
carogray	when I open in notepad I seem to get	17:01
carogray	X-WEBGUI-URL:caroline_robinson/calendar/caroline	17:01
carogray	whereas url I thought I ought to be using is: http://www.mlri.org/caroline_robinson/calendar?func=ical	17:02
daviddelikat	may I click on that link?	17:02
carogray	I wonder could it be something with permissions? of course, but the calendars are only visible to mlri staff	17:03
carogray	I can make viewable to all for a sec if you think that might help.	17:03
daviddelikat	I'd like to see the data	17:03
carogray	I mean of course, click on thelink	17:03
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daviddelikat	ive got the file.	17:06
daviddelikat	there is nothing in it	17:06
carogray	huh.	17:07
carogray	I haven't made the calendar viewable to everyone - could that be why?	17:07
daviddelikat	yes	17:07
daviddelikat	it could also be why your big calendar is not getting any data	17:08
daviddelikat	you may need to make the calendar viewable to the user that runs the scheduled jobs	17:08
daviddelikat	i don't know off hand what id that would be tyhough	17:08
daviddelikat	does the big calendar show an update date for the feeds?	17:09
carogray	ugh...	17:11
carogray	sorry just playing with it a little	17:11
carogray	just made my calendar viewable to everyone	17:11
carogray	then I clicked on the link I gave you	17:11
carogray	in IE	17:11
carogray	asks me if I want to save or open the ics file	17:12
carogray	I picked save to desktop...	17:12
carogray	empty except for BEGIN:VCALENDAR	17:12
carogray	PRODID:WebGUI 7.6.15-stable	17:12
carogray	VERSION:2.0	17:12
carogray	END:VCALENDAR	17:12
carogray	hah	17:12
carogray	when I did it before from the calendar itself...I got:	17:13
carogray	BEGIN:VCALENDAR	17:13
carogray	PRODID:WebGUI 7.6.15-stable	17:13
carogray	VERSION:2.0	17:13
carogray	BEGIN:VEVENT	17:13
carogray	UID:W03J3qc4aXK6r9XweCfRNA@www.mlri.org	17:13
carogray	LAST-MODIFIED:20090506T125612Z	17:13
carogray	CREATED:20090505T200710Z	17:13
carogray	SEQUENCE:1	17:13
carogray	DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20090519	17:13
carogray	DTEND;VALUE=DATE:20090532	17:13
carogray	SUMMARY:Caroline on Holiday	17:13
carogray	DESCRIPTION:	17:13
carogray	LOCATION:	17:13
carogray	X-WEBGUI-GROUPIDVIEW:26	17:13
carogray	X-WEBGUI-GROUPIDEDIT:4	17:13
carogray	X-WEBGUI-URL:caroline_robinson/calendar/caroline	17:13
carogray	X-WEBGUI-MENUTITLE:Caroline	17:13
carogray	END:VEVENT	17:13
carogray	END:VCALENDAR	17:13
carogray	oh jeez! sorry about taking up so much space in the chat room - returns I guess	17:13
daviddelikat	best to uyse pastebin for any thingmore than a couple of lines...	17:14
carogray	yeah! OOPS.	17:15
carogray	so now that I have made my calendar public..	17:15
carogray	I looked at in IE not logged in and there are no events in the calendar	17:15
daviddelikat	perhaps the events themselves are still not public...	17:16
carogray	do you think that when the calendar was private, the events I added..right	17:16
carogray	that's what I am thinking...	17:16
carogray	so I just added another event now that it is public...	17:18
carogray	doesn't show up	17:18
daviddelikat	how does it look when you are logged in?	17:18
carogray	May 6 - month view, Lunch with May Yoga Advocacy Meeting - each on its own line	17:20
carogray	I am going to asset manager to check security on individual events	17:22
daviddelikat	look at the bottom of the event in 'edit event' and see what the setting is for 'group to view this event'	17:22
carogray	aah	17:23
carogray	mmm	17:24
carogray	I edited the branch and made security for calendar and recursively view by everyone..	17:24
carogray	when Idid what yousuggested 'everyone' was in group	17:25
carogray	refreshed browser and at least events now show up in MY calendar now that it is public..	17:25
carogray	however events from my calendar still not showing up in big, MLRI - viewable only to mlri staff - calendar	17:26
carogray	ran update feeds workflow activity again too	17:26
daviddelikat	did you re-run the update workflow?	17:27
carogray	yep	17:27
daviddelikat	also check the last update date on the feeds in the big calendar	17:28
daviddelikat	if the job has not finished yet they may still show up	17:28
carogray	Success! 1 added, 0 updated, 0 parsing errors	17:29
carogray	2009-05-06 13:38:45	17:29
daviddelikat	yippeee!	17:29
daviddelikat	now to get it to work the way you want it to	17:29
carogray	that's right- except the events are not showing up in teh calendar	17:29
carogray	oh	17:29
daviddelikat	the callendar may be a caching issue	17:30
carogray	like everything else in WebGUI ;)	17:30
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daviddelikat	cache makes fast queries but painfull debgging	17:30
carogray	I cleared the cache iin admin console	17:30
daviddelikat	fortunately we dont always debug	17:31
daviddelikat	well you dont	17:31
daviddelikat	I debug every day	17:31
carogray	I come across bugs every day - probably usually the same ones and this project was supposed to take my mind off the bug that has been preoccupying me for the last 5 weeks	17:32
carogray	grumpf	17:32
daviddelikat	which bug is that?	17:32
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carogray	it's something David Huggins is working on for me to do with env('httpreferer') and mail data forms	17:33
carogray	it's not probably technically a 'bug' ...yet	17:33
daviddelikat	everything is a bug from some point of view	17:34
carogray	then of course, you don't want to know about the bugs my son is breeding out in the garden until we manage to get a tractor to dig a whole to bury all the carcasses from the farm collected over the winter...blech gag...	17:35
carogray	dig a hole	17:35
daviddelikat	swounds like fun	17:36
carogray	so ... back to calendars, now that the technical end of webgui seems to think our calendars are working how do get people to think the calendars are working	17:36
carogray	?	17:36
carogray	it's a far cry from computers...farming	17:36
daviddelikat	so did the stuff show up aftrer clearing the cache?	17:37
carogray	nope	17:37
xdanger	could someone verify my bug finding? is there any devs around?	17:40
daviddelikat	theres folksa round, i can peek if its quick	17:41
xdanger	there is a error in the upgrade script of 7.6.0 -> 7.6.1	17:41
xdanger	the column postReceivedTemplateId is updated incorrectly	17:42
xdanger	in upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl: $session->db->write("ALTER TABLE Collaboration ADD COLUMN postReceivedTemplateId VARCHAR(22) DEFAULT 'default-post-received';");	17:42
daviddelikat	sorry, thats going to be beyond me	17:42
xdanger	but in 7.6.0-7.6.1 there is a fixShort assetId that fixes it: 'default_post_received' => 'default_post_received1',	17:43
daviddelikat	more fols pop up arount 10 though	17:43
daviddelikat	s/fols/folks/ !fools	17:43
daviddelikat	:)	17:43
daviddelikat	carogray: can you see the events from big cal if you are logged in?	17:45
carogray	nope	17:46
daviddelikat	I hope you don't mind but I am trying to pull them into a calendar on my test environment	17:46
daviddelikat	I wipe the DB about once a week	17:47
daviddelikat	so it wont be here long	17:47
carogray	of course not...	17:47
carogray	when I am on holiday, the fact that I have lunch with a vietnamese translator and yoga and advocacy meeting all scheduled at once are hardly private info	17:47
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carogray	just not particularly professional to be advertising to the rest of the world	17:48
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+perlDreamer	Mech422, Story Manager was released with WebGUI 7.7.5, if you'd like to play with it.	17:49
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I got all the bugs worked out of serialized Crud data last night	17:50
+perlDreamer	I'll side port the patch and create some more test to validate it further.	17:50
@Haarg	cool	17:50
@Haarg	what else needed to be fixed?	17:51
+perlDreamer	update	17:52
+perlDreamer	update created 1 hash which was used to update the object cache, and to write to the db	17:53
+perlDreamer	unfortunately, they need different kinds of data	17:53
+perlDreamer	JSON => db	17:53
+perlDreamer	data => object	17:53
@Haarg	ah	17:55
daviddelikat	carogray: the only event that transfered was the vacation item	17:55
daviddelikat	it does not chow up in calendar view foer some reason	17:55
daviddelikat	just found it by searching	17:56
carogray	oh no..	17:56
daviddelikat	i think you are going to have to seek a higher level techie to solve this issue	17:56
carogray	so much for productive diversions	17:56
carogray	well thanks so much for trying so diligently...and for so long. I do appreciate it.	17:57
daviddelikat	well there should be more people coming on board soon	17:57
daviddelikat	the workflow is running -- thats productive...	17:57
carogray	yeah...I guess so. thing is I don't want to distract WebGUI support from the big problem I mentioned earlier... will just have to put this on the back burner again for a while..	17:58
carogray	again thanks for trying...we did make a little progress.	17:59
+perlDreamer	xdanger: thanks for the bug fix!	18:07
xdanger	no problem	18:08
xdanger	to bad that I didn't notice it before 7.6.22 was released =)	18:09
+perlDreamer	it's all right, we'll get it fixed in .23	18:09
+perlDreamer	it's an easy fix	18:10
xdanger	yeah, fixeded it on my sites already	18:10
daviddelikat	perlDreamer: is there a perl test function to do deep comparison on JSON data returned by a perl function?	18:17
+perlDreamer	JSON data is text, so you can use like($jsonData, qr/gnarly regexp/, 'JSON check');	18:18
+MrHairgrease	daviddelikat: cmp_deeply( from_json, ...)	18:18
+perlDreamer	exactly	18:18
+perlDreamer	cmp_deeply is provided from Test::Deep	18:18
+perlDreamer	and you can find examples of it being used that way in the Shop/Tax tests	18:19
+MrHairgrease	cmp_deeply( from_json( $JSONString), ...) that is	18:19
daviddelikat	thanks that is what I was hoping you were saying	18:19
+perlDreamer	there's also Test::JSON, but we haven't used it yet	18:21
+MrHairgrease	Test::JSON seems a bit sucky	18:22
+MrHairgrease	I think it's better to use Test::Deep	18:23
+MrHairgrease	b/c it has muchg more powerful comparison functionality	18:23
+perlDreamer	I agree. The only advantage I see in Test::JSON is that it displays the differences in the JSON, vs the data structure	18:25
+perlDreamer	but that's pretty minimal	18:25
+MrHairgrease	yeah but oinly 1 level deep	18:26
+MrHairgrease	anyway	18:26
+MrHairgrease	gotta go	18:26
+MrHairgrease	later	18:26
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+perlDreamer	bopbop: are you still seeing this bug happen http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9029	18:43
daviddelikat	what is the easiest way to manage revisions on an asset?	18:47
daviddelikat	im selecting some items with SQL and I want to make sure that I have the latest row	18:48
daviddelikat	can I exclude rows with s simple clause?	18:48
daviddelikat	or do I have to go through the data with perl?	18:48
+perlDreamer	you do a subselect on the revisionDate	18:50
+perlDreamer	there are examples of it in Asset/Template.pm	18:50
daviddelikat	do you know how much that slows down the query?	18:52
daviddelikat	I'm getting EMSTicket rows and I'm told there may be thousands	18:53
+perlDreamer	very well could be	18:53
+perlDreamer	but you have to do that to find the latest version	18:53
+perlDreamer	at one point, rizen did some profiling of the cost of the subselect, and it was small	18:53
+perlDreamer	I think	18:53
daviddelikat	or I could chug through it in perl and delete the old rows.	18:53
+perlDreamer	that might be slower still	18:54
+perlDreamer	because you'd returning huge amounts of data	18:54
+perlDreamer	versus a more complex query	18:54
daviddelikat	yeah	18:54
daviddelikat	'course the other bit is that i really only want data for select locations	18:55
daviddelikat	and location does not seem to have an index	18:55
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10688 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs):	19:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Fix a bug with the CS default post received template id. db defaults pointed	19:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: to a template that does not exist.	19:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10689 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Forward porting CS default post received templateId fix for the db.	19:02
daviddelikat	perlDreamer: do I need to include the bit about the version tag?	19:05
+perlDreamer	what's the goal of what you're trying to do?	19:06
daviddelikat	im selecting rows to put in a table	19:06
daviddelikat	putting up the schedule for the event	19:06
+perlDreamer	yes, you do	19:07
daviddelikat	im asking mostly because i dont really understand how the whole rev control thing works in wg	19:07
+perlDreamer	because it would let people working under version tags see what their proposed (uncommitted) tickets will do to the schedule	19:07
daviddelikat	is the version tag always going to be in the scratch?	19:07
+perlDreamer	yes	19:09
daviddelikat	k thanks	19:09
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, sounds like I'm still screwed.	20:15
+perlDreamer	mysql won't let a default be set on text column types	20:15
+perlDreamer	"Root cause: BLOB/TEXT column 'jsonField' can't have a default value"	20:16
daviddelikat	have you considered usinga trigger?	20:17
daviddelikat	or is that bad karma?	20:17
+perlDreamer	yes, but killing Mysql is not the answer	20:18
+perlDreamer	sorry, bad pun there. trigger/gun vs db/trigger	20:19
daviddelikat	oh i see	20:19
daviddelikat	i had not made that jump...	20:19
+perlDreamer	it was probably better not to ;)	20:20
daviddelikat	my first thought was a horse	20:20
daviddelikat	i forget whos horse it was	20:20
daviddelikat	i gottta go to my other job	20:26
daviddelikat	back in a few hours...	20:26
+perlDreamer	somebody spammed the wiki for ads for armed security guards	20:30
+perlDreamer	of course, the Crud thing is not strictly due to serializing	20:35
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: you have any idea how Crypt::Admin is supposed to be tied into the admin panel?	20:41
+perlDreamer	none	20:41
+perlDreamer	probably needs a content handler for the interface, which means it goes into the config file in the admin console section	20:41
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I don't see anything else in the admin panel that works like that though.	20:42
+perlDreamer	Asset Manager	20:43
+perlDreamer	Asset History	20:43
+perlmonkey2	ah	20:43
+perlDreamer	Shop	20:43
+perlmonkey2	oh	20:43
+perlmonkey2	ic	20:43
+perlmonkey2	thanks ;)	20:43
+perlDreamer	np	20:44
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+perlDreamer	okay, time for an early run	20:58
+perlDreamer	later, y'all	20:58
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+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: you have any idea what's going on with the crypt branch? master has a crypt content manager but not crypt.	22:29
+perlmonkey2	has crypt dev moved to the master branch?	22:29
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+perlDreamer	no idea, perlmonkey2	23:03
SynQ	ohm	23:24
* SynQ is a xen buddist		23:24
+perlDreamer	SynQ is an electrician	23:24
SynQ	perlDreamer: congrats with your webgui-worldwide entry :)	23:25
+perlDreamer	webgui worldwide?	23:25
* SynQ notices everything		23:25
SynQ	http://www.webgui.org/w3/webgui-worldwide/perldreamer-consulting	23:26
+perlDreamer	wow!	23:26
+perlDreamer	that's awesome	23:26
+perlDreamer	thank you SynQ	23:27
+perlDreamer	I thought you were talking about my post to the partner's list about the hackathon	23:27
preaction	when did w3 come back?	23:28
SynQ	w3 never went away	23:28
preaction	new design then?	23:28
SynQ	not really	23:28
SynQ	it's been so for a while now	23:28
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+perlDreamer	I really want to build some caching into Crud	23:50
+perlDreamer	at least things like getTableName, getTableKey, etc.	23:50
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+perlDreamer	I think the end of the world is near	01:13
+perlDreamer	First, we have this swine flu stuff	01:13
+perlDreamer	now I hear the several trees in a local park are going to have to be cut down	01:13
+perlDreamer	because they have schwieneiggi butt rot	01:13
+perlDreamer	for those of you who don't speak German, that's piggy butt rot	01:14
+perlDreamer	if that crosses over like the swine flu did, we're screwed	01:14
@tavisto	I think JT already has butt rot	01:19
+perlDreamer	you only say that because he's not in channel, and doesn't read the IRC logs	01:20
@tavisto	nah I say that because I share quite a few hotel rooms with him while I'm on the tradeshow schedule	01:20
+perlDreamer	oh, well then	01:20
@tavisto	I don't read the IRC logs either.. Who on earth has time to do that	01:20
+perlDreamer	:)	01:20
+perlDreamer	Are you going to give WWN an exclusive interview recap of AdTech?	01:21
Chizad	don't read 'em, just run 'em through grep so you can see if anyone said anything about you while you weren't around. :)	01:21
@tavisto	actually I thought JT was going to blog about this.. That's true we haven't posted anything about ad:tech yet.	01:22
preaction	tavisto: Re: the "too hard to find source install" thing	01:24
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10691 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the survey exitURL hover help.	01:24
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10692 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting Survey i18n fix.	01:24
@tavisto	yeah pre	01:24
@tavisto	I honestly thought we did fine by hiding it a bit.. JT wanted to as well	01:25
preaction	if they're asking for it, does it mean they're using it? and if they're using it, no matter how difficult it may be to install, should we not make it at least easy to find?	01:25
@tavisto	We also need a new box for the Local Debian & Ubuntu installs	01:25
preaction	i know we had this dicussion last month	01:25
@tavisto	well, I'm okay with adding it as the 3rd box. It previously was the 2nd box	01:26
@tavisto	Susan Baur and Knowmad both reported it	01:26
@tavisto	which kinda scares me in a way.... that they want the source install	01:26
@tavisto	but hey if they want it then I don't see any harm in putting it as the last option	01:26
preaction	perhaps there's something wrong with the WRE they haven't mentioned	01:27
@tavisto	good question.	01:27
preaction	or perhaps they just want to work with their native package systems, and the WRE requires some workarounds for that (though we could fix that too)	01:27
+perlDreamer	just make it the last box and say something like, "I wouldn't let my dog do a source install, but if you really want it..."	01:28
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+perlDreamer	might be back on later tonight	03:24
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+perlmonkey2	Source isntalls wouldn't be an issue if Apache::Request wasn't such a pain.	03:39
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+patspam	perlbot: say something funny	04:36
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+patspam	perlbot: webgui	04:44
perlbot	WebGUI - an open source content management system written in Perl - http://webgui.org \| Also see #webgui on irc.freenode.net	04:44
+patspam	perlbot: perlmonkey2	04:45
perlbot	don't feed teh monkey!	04:45
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+perlmonkey2	perlbot: patspam	05:13
+patspam	I am invisible	05:14
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, where are you manners	05:16
+perlDreamer	you always make introductions both ways...	05:16
+perlDreamer	now perlbot's feelings are going to be hurt	05:17
+perlmonkey2	perlbot: perlDreamer	05:17
perlbot	Colin Kuskie, Contributor of the Year, and jack of all trades	05:17
+perlDreamer	perlbot: patspam is Patrick Donelan from SDH, and a major WebGUI Developer and community member	05:18
perlbot	added patspam to the database	05:18
daviddelikat	aren't there supposed to be fireworks?	05:18
daviddelikat	or at least a bottle of champagne	05:18
+perlDreamer	only when we release a new version of WebGUI	05:18
+perlmonkey2	perlbot: webgui	06:04
perlbot	WebGUI - an open source content management system written in Perl - http://webgui.org \| Also see #webgui on irc.freenode.net	06:04
+perlmonkey2	perlbot: perl	06:04
perlbot	It's Perl (for the language) or perl (for the interpreter) but NEVER 'PERL'!	06:04
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+perlDreamer	I'm making a new Shipping Driver for the US Postal Service	06:40
+perlDreamer	because they are very strict in XML processing, I can't use XML::Simple	06:40
+perlDreamer	which means another core module for writing XML	06:40
+perlDreamer	I'm heavily leaning toward XML::Writer	06:40
+perlDreamer	does anyone have any experience that might sway that?	06:41
+patspam	presumably XML::Tiny isn't strict enough either?	07:12
+patspam	perlbot: xml	07:12
perlbot	Don't parse xml with regular expressions! Use a real parser. If your response begins "that's overkill. i only want to..." you are wrong. http://perl-xml.sf.net/faq/ and http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/04/05/feature/ (XML parser comparisons)	07:12
+patspam	perlbot: thanks!	07:13
+perlDreamer	I don't think it's an emitter, only a parser	07:13
perlbot	If you want to thank us, help out the perl community by sending some money (even if just a couple of dollars) to The Perl Foundation. http://donate.perlfoundation.org/	07:13
+patspam	ah sorry, just realised you want to write xml, not parse it	07:13
+perlDreamer	what I really wish is that XML::Simple would not change the order of hashes that are passed to it	07:14
+patspam	even when you IxHash tie them?	07:15
+perlDreamer	yeah	07:15
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+perlDreamer	I went and looked inside the module after I started using Tie::IxHash	07:15
+perlDreamer	it sorts them on purpose	07:16
+patspam	dang, you'd think they'd make that an optional thing	07:16
+patspam	i guess it sorts them to make it more deterministic	07:16
+patspam	since hashes are not supposed to have any sort of natural order	07:16
+perlDreamer	I think it has something to do with attribute parsing.	07:17
+patspam	Newer versions of XML::Simple sort elements and attributes alphabetically (*), by default. Enable this option to suppress the sorting - possibly for backwards compatibility.	07:17
+patspam	* Actually, sorting is alphabetical but 'key' attribute or element names (as in 'KeyAttr') sort first. Also, when a hash of hashes is 'unfolded', the elements are sorted alphabetically by the value of the key field.	07:17
+patspam	that's the "NoSort" option.. tried that?	07:18
+perlDreamer	not yet	07:18
+perlDreamer	you rock!	07:18
+patspam	ooh, and in Hook Methods you can supply your own sorted_keys(name, hashref) function	07:18
+patspam	--> Called when XMLout() is translating a hashref to XML. This routine returns a list of hash keys in the order that the corresponding attributes/elements should appear in the output.	07:18
+perlDreamer	maybe I just need to take a bit and read that XML::Simple from top to bottom	07:19
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+patspam	lol, just fixed my sister's macbook which she'd been told by a repair shop was dead and "not worth sending back to apple"	07:32
+perlDreamer	what was the problem? bad battery?	07:32
+patspam	solution: take out battery, hold down power button for 10 seconds, put battery back in & connect to power	07:32
+patspam	..and turn on	07:32
+patspam	(problem was: couldn'	07:33
+patspam	t turn on)	07:33
+patspam	I should have added a voodoo chant in the middle for dramatic effect	07:33
+perlDreamer	eh, you'd have to charge extra for the chant	07:33
+perlDreamer	xkcd is too funny	07:36
+patspam	heh, too many firefly references today, I'm missing all the jokes	07:40
* perlDreamer is going to call it a night		07:53
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CIA-23	WebGUI: martin * r10695 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Internationalised the javascript part of the vendor payouts manager.	15:49
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ckotil	I had a wiked RFE last night before i fell asleep. now i cant remember it	16:17
ckotil	i knew i should have written it down	16:17
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@preaction	Haarg: can you let me know when you're going to do the release? i've got a couple bugfixes for the features we added last friday	18:31
@Haarg	sure	18:31
@Haarg	i'm starting running the tests right now, but i can wait on the release	18:32
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@preaction	ok, there's two main things i need to do quick then the rest of it can wait	18:35
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@preaction	template attachments need to work with packages, and the help for the new style template vars needs to be added/updated	18:36
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@Haarg	perlDreamer, t/Crud/serialize.t is failing, i think you may have missed adding a file	18:45
+perlDreamer	you're right!	18:45
+perlDreamer	it's the pseudo module	18:45
+perlDreamer	I'll fix it now	18:45
+perlDreamer	I have so many little scripts laying around that svn st is nigh on useless	18:46
+perlDreamer	it's committed	18:46
+perlDreamer	sorry about that, Haarg	18:46
@Haarg	not a problem	18:46
+perlDreamer	normally I write tests to make our lives easier :)	18:46
@tavisto	perlDreamer, you are fired	18:48
+perlDreamer	there's too much of that going around, tavisto	18:48
@tavisto	making mistakes? how dare you.	18:48
+perlDreamer	a friend of mine lost his job yesterday	18:48
+perlDreamer	they did it over the phone	18:48
@tavisto	did he work for that same company you did	18:49
+perlDreamer	no, for all the negative things I could say about $oldDayJob, they were very polite and respectful when it came to layoffs	18:49
+perlDreamer	even so, I hope the CEO forgives me for that case of boils that I prayed for.	18:50
@tavisto	I thought your $oldDayJob told you to move your desk far back in your cubicle while they stole your stapler	18:50
+perlDreamer	that was after I cut down the cubicle wall to get a nice window view	18:52
@tavisto	tavisto wonders if perlDreamer was Milton in Officespace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvGwr5wj8A8	18:53
+perlDreamer	tavisto, you haven't signed up for the hackathon yet	18:56
* perlDreamer wants you to bring your mad design skills for some templating work		18:56
@tavisto	since when does hackathon require design skills	18:57
+perlDreamer	and someone has to keep an eye on preaction	18:57
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@tavisto	all I know is that preaction promised me a pony in the next wG release...	19:00
@preaction	yeah, well Avery Brooks promised me a flying car by the year 2000	19:01
@preaction	i want my flying car	19:01
+perlDreamer	I don't think ponies can be licensed under the GPL	19:02
@preaction	what about Acme::POE::Knee?	19:02
+MrHairgrease	crap	19:02
+MrHairgrease	beat me to it	19:02
+perlDreamer	and I don't think we'll get flying cars before the end of the world	19:02
@Haarg	perlDreamer, you're getting a bit too aggressive with the cleanup code i think	19:02
+perlDreamer	what did I break?	19:02
@Haarg	cleaning up default groups	19:03
@Haarg	in t/Asset/Post.t	19:03
@tavisto	oh dude... preaction punked me..... POE::Knee?! You gotta me kidding me	19:03
@Haarg	simple to fix though	19:03
+perlDreamer	we should probably fix it twice, once in t/Asset/Post.t, and again in WebGUI::Test so that it doesn't clean up default groups (like the default users code)	19:04
+perlDreamer	want me to do that?	19:04
@preaction	tavisto: http://search.cpan.org/~kane/Acme-POE-Knee-1.10/lib/Acme/POE/Knee.pm	19:04
@Haarg	i'll do the first part	19:04
+perlDreamer	maybe I was just trying to reduce the size of the create.sql file...	19:04
@Haarg	heh	19:04
+perlDreamer	oh, and I found a bug	19:05
+perlDreamer	deleting a user does not clean up his address book(s)	19:05
@Haarg	oh?	19:05
+perlDreamer	I should post that so I don't forget it	19:06
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10696 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Serialize.pm: Adding in pseudo-module for Crud serialization testing.	19:08
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10697 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/ExpirePurchasedThingyRecords.pm: fix Thingy Record expiry workflow activity	19:08
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10698 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: fix pod typo	19:08
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10699 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post.t: don't clean up default groups	19:08
+perlDreamer	Haarg: does this list look right for default groups 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 11 12 13 14 pbgroup000000000000015 pbgroup000000000000016 pbgroup000000000000017	19:10
@Haarg	yes	19:11
+perlDreamer	checked, and committed	19:12
+perlDreamer	has anyone benchmarked WebGUI::Utility::isIn vs List::Utils::any?	19:12
+perlDreamer	with any being written in C, you think it would be very fast	19:13
+MrHairgrease	I like any better just because it's in List Utils	19:14
+MrHairgrease	and isIn is home brew	19:14
+MrHairgrease	but for much WG stuf I use isIn	19:14
+MrHairgrease	because it's more or less the defacto stanadard in wg code	19:15
@Haarg	any is in List::MoreUtils	19:15
+MrHairgrease	that's what i meant	19:15
+perlDreamer	what I was thinking is, if any is much faster than isIn, that we replace the guts of isIn with any	19:15
@Haarg	List::Util has first	19:15
@Haarg	which would work just as well	19:15
+perlDreamer	well, yes and no	19:17
+perlDreamer	any returns a boolean	19:17
+perlDreamer	first returns the first value that matches the criterion	19:17
+perlDreamer	so if you were searching for 0, you have to be careful	19:18
@Haarg	defined check will take care of that though	19:18
@Haarg	http://gist.github.com/108194	19:29
+perlDreamer	I'm not sure how to read that	19:33
+perlDreamer	based on rate, it looks like isIn is really fast	19:33
@Haarg	depending on how many elements you are searching and how fast it can short circuit, isIn is sometimes faster or slower than grep, but always faster than first and any	19:39
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10700 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Prevent default groups from being deleted.	19:39
CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10701 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): fixed: URLs that shouldn't happen (#10353)	19:39
CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10702 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): URLs that shouldn't happen (#10353)	19:39
@preaction	i thought isIn was implemented by grep	19:39
@Haarg	no	19:39
@Haarg	$_ eq $key and return 1 for @_;	19:40
@preaction	ah	19:40
@Haarg	grep using an expression instead of a block is slightly faster than that comparison shows, but only by a little	19:42
+perlDreamer	recent Asset.pm breaks Asset.t	19:43
+MrHairgrease	naming question	19:45
+perlDreamer	Peter and Tim for boys, Emma for girls	19:46
+MrHairgrease	I have a method in the TaxDrivers that should return information that should be stored along with transactoion items	19:46
+MrHairgrease	right now I've called it getConfigurationForTransactionLog	19:46
+MrHairgrease	but that sound kinda sucky	19:46
+MrHairgrease	any better ideas	19:46
+MrHairgrease	?	19:46
+perlDreamer	getTransactionData	19:47
+perlDreamer	getTaxTransactionData	19:47
+MrHairgrease	get TranasctionTaxData	19:47
+MrHairgrease	that's better i guess	19:47
+perlDreamer	there you go!	19:47
+MrHairgrease	w/o the spelling errors	19:47
+MrHairgrease	mucho gracias!	19:47
@preaction	it should be verbNounAdjectiveAdjectiveAdjective	19:47
+MrHairgrease	I know	19:48
+MrHairgrease	but I had something like getTransactionData at first	19:48
+MrHairgrease	which is too confusing	19:48
+MrHairgrease	does it fetch soime transaction data	19:48
+MrHairgrease	or does it provide the data to store with the transaction	19:49
@preaction	it fetches the Tax data for the transaction	19:49
+perlDreamer	what is a parfait?	19:50
+MrHairgrease	it's a desert	19:50
dreamersgirl	dessert?	19:50
dreamersgirl	:)	19:50
+MrHairgrease	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parfait_(food)	19:51
@preaction	it has layers, like an Ogre	19:51
+MrHairgrease	the french version is quite good	19:51
@preaction	plus everybody likes parfaits	19:51
+MrHairgrease	oh wait	19:51
dreamersgirl	mmmm....we were checking out these here:	19:52
+MrHairgrease	I'm mixing things up	19:52
dreamersgirl	http://www.oregonmomsemptynest.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=1&Itemid=57	19:52
dreamersgirl	they're a ways down the page	19:52
+MrHairgrease	profiterole is good	19:52
dreamersgirl	they look really tasty, though	19:52
+MrHairgrease	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiterole	19:52
ckotil	should testCodebase.pl complete with PASS?	19:53
dreamersgirl	I like those, too	19:53
+perlDreamer	ckotil, if it doesn't something is wrong	19:54
ckotil	sweet.	19:54
+perlDreamer	although historically there have been cases where the tests were out of date	19:54
ckotil	i have a lot of .t files failing	19:54
+perlmonkey2	sweet "git config --global alias.co checkout #"	19:54
+perlmonkey2	didn't know abotu alias	19:54
+perlDreamer	ckotil, what does testEnvironment.pl say?	19:55
+perlDreamer	and what version are we talking about here?	19:55
ckotil	testEnvironment finishes fine.	19:55
ckotil	i dont have all of the optional modules tho	19:55
ckotil	7.6.22	19:56
+perlDreamer	Haarg just released that on Tuesday, which means it should run clean.	19:56
+perlDreamer	which files are failing? Can you give us a paste?	19:57
ckotil	sure	19:57
@Haarg	which optional modules do you now have?	19:57
@Haarg	*not	19:57
ckotil	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m67afc5d0	19:57
ckotil	text::aspell is one	19:57
* Haarg murders UNIVERSAL::can		19:58
ckotil	dateTime might have a problem too	19:58
ckotil	maybe whats causing the UNIVERSAL errors?	19:58
ckotil	Checking for module DateTime: Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/DateTime/Locale.pm line 298	19:58
ckotil	OK	19:58
@Haarg	they aren't really errors	19:58
+perlDreamer	ckotil, did you run that on a production database?	19:59
ckotil	no way.	19:59
+perlDreamer	good	19:59
ckotil	this is my dev host.	19:59
ckotil	damn, so i did a cpan install on DateTime to update it, thinking it might clear up that UNIVERSAL::can error. it did not	19:59
@preaction	Haarg: running tests before my commit, then i'm done	19:59
ckotil	s/error/warning	19:59
@Haarg	the universal warnings are a bug in UNIVERSAL::can as far as i'm aware	19:59
+perlDreamer	ckotil: what does this say (please paste): WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/sbin/../etc/globalnoc.webgui.conf CODE_COP=1 prove -v ../t/Asset/Asset.t	20:00
+perlDreamer	run that from the sbin directory	20:00
ckotil	k	20:00
+perlDreamer	or adjust the path accordingly	20:00
ckotil	do i prepend testCodebase.pl to that?	20:01
+perlDreamer	no	20:02
ckotil	ah ok, i see	20:02
+perlDreamer	testCodebase.pl is just a somewhat handy wrapper around prove	20:02
+MrHairgrease	ok, time to go home	20:02
ckotil	its quite lengthy	20:02
* MrHairgrease is starving		20:02
+MrHairgrease	later!	20:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10703 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: Update test to work with new fixUrl code.	20:02
+perlDreamer	redirect the output into a file and paste it, please	20:02
ckotil	k	20:03
+perlDreamer	it will tell us exactly which tests are failing on your dev system	20:03
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ckotil	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1a68fa84	20:04
+perlDreamer	man, to test this new shipping driver I can't use Shawshank collateral, since the post office is actually going to validate the address data	20:04
+perlDreamer	ckotil, tell me about your initial database setup	20:05
+perlDreamer	and what's your gateway setting?	20:05
ckotil	gateway is /	20:06
ckotil	database is running locally on port 3306	20:06
+perlDreamer	brb	20:06
+perlDreamer	the failing tests are using fixUrl	20:08
+perlDreamer	and it's kind of troublesome that one that checks for /root is failing	20:08
+perlDreamer	since WebGUI will break without the root node	20:09
+perlDreamer	ckotil, does your dev site have a full, standard WebGUI database?	20:10
ckotil	yes	20:10
ckotil	i used create.sql way back when	20:11
ckotil	and its a direct copy of the production site	20:11
ckotil	s/copy/dump	20:11
ckotil	at line 50, it says got root. then why at 51 would it expect 'root2'?	20:15
ckotil	got root? now that's a nerdy shirt	20:15
+perlDreamer	that's the test output	20:19
+perlDreamer	what it got as test data was 'root'	20:19
+perlDreamer	but it was told that the correct answer is 'root2'	20:19
+perlDreamer	so that test failed	20:19
+perlDreamer	and it printed those diagnostics	20:19
ckotil	any idea where this root2 would be defined?/	20:19
+perlDreamer	oh no, it's the opposite of that	20:19
ckotil	./WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t:is($importNode->fixUrl('/root'), 'root2', 'If a node exists, appends a "2" to it');	20:19
+perlDreamer	right	20:20
+perlDreamer	since it didn't append a "2" to it, the /root URL does not exist	20:20
+perlDreamer	and that's bad	20:20
ckotil	ohh	20:20
ckotil	so get this. http://webdoc-dev.grnoc.iu.edu/root/	20:20
ckotil	page doesnt exist. that explains it	20:20
+perlDreamer	how can the page not exist?	20:20
+perlDreamer	that's the root node	20:20
ckotil	let me check out my asset structure ;)	20:20
+perlDreamer	gotcha :)	20:20
ckotil	ah... heh... the .html extension!	20:21
ckotil	http://webdoc-dev.grnoc.iu.edu/root.html	20:21
+perlDreamer	so by default, .html is added to all URLs on your site?	20:21
ckotil	yes.	20:21
ckotil	as defined in the admin console > settings	20:21
ckotil	its been hit or miss tho.	20:22
+perlDreamer	well then, that's a test bug that has to be fixed	20:22
ckotil	sometimes it works, sometimes no	20:22
+perlDreamer	and your default URL, is it index.html instead of /home?	20:22
ckotil	hrm, where would that be defined?	20:22
ckotil	index.html takes me to the start page for my site. /home takes me nowhere	20:23
+perlDreamer	also in the settings	20:24
ckotil	ok. it looks like it's called default ome page	20:25
+perlDreamer	right, that's it	20:25
ckotil	yeah, it goes to index.html	20:26
+perlDreamer	this test mistakenly assumes that the default home page is /home	20:26
+perlDreamer	so the test should either change those settings to run the test, or take them into account	20:26
ckotil	can't it just pulldown the values from the db?	20:27
+perlDreamer	oh, it could. It just doesn't	20:27
+perlDreamer	are those the only two tests that are failing?	20:27
ckotil	are the tests desinged to be independent of the db?	20:27
+perlDreamer	somewhat independent	20:28
ckotil	nah, there are more that fail.	20:28
+perlDreamer	but as you can see, there's at least two places where it makes bad assumptions	20:28
ckotil	right.	20:28
ckotil	ill capture the out put and past.	20:29
ckotil	e	20:29
ckotil	how's this for an RFE? The ability to move assets between version tags.	20:32
@preaction	it's already possible	20:33
+perlDreamer	I think that's already possible	20:33
ckotil	ah, nice.	20:33
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@preaction	Haarg: done. sorry it took so long (tests were failing). could you re-run your tests? some unrelated tests were failing and i can't figure out why	20:43
@Haarg	which ones?	20:44
@preaction	let me pastebin. it's a whole bunch	20:48
@preaction	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1edf5b08	20:49
@preaction	assetExportHtml.t has always failed on my system	20:49
@preaction	Asset_diagnose.t was a problem with a custom asset i have in my SVN repo	20:49
@preaction	and there are two new tests I'm building, but the rest are unknown status	20:50
@Haarg	i don't get those failures here on a clean database	20:51
@Haarg	at least, not most of them	20:51
@preaction	i'll reset once more and try again	20:52
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10704 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm: fix bug with packed extra head tags	20:52
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10705 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm: fix regeneration of packed snippet	20:52
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10706 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: fix default value for packed head tags. too dangerous to make default to on right now	20:52
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10707 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): template attachments now work with packages. head_attachments and body_attachments are now documented	20:52
@preaction	Haarg, perlDreamer are there any of these failing tests you haven't fixed yet?	21:10
@preaction	all the macro tests are failing because the packing isn't happening anymore :p	21:13
ckotil	the full test. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m51541a09	21:15
@Haarg	aside from macro tests, the only failure i see is t/Asset/Sku.t	21:16
@preaction	which is a problem with the test, it needs to set isShippingRequired as weill as shipsSeperately	21:16
@preaction	i'm fixing the macro tests right now	21:16
@preaction	Haarg: tests should be fixed now	21:26
@Haarg	cool, thanks	21:26
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10708 /WebGUI/t/ (9 files in 2 dirs): fixed tests	21:47
@Haarg	seems the code editor is even more broken in firefox 3.5	22:33
ckotil	I couldnt resize the window :/	22:39
ckotil	but i really like how it highlights stuff	22:39
+perlDreamer	I think it's time to get rid of the code editor	22:46
+perlDreamer	it's fragile	22:46
+perlDreamer	I love what it _could_ do, but what it actually does is heartbreaking	22:46
@preaction	i'm willing to agree, until i can fork it and make it actually work	22:46
+perlDreamer	no need to fork it, just send the guy a patch	22:49
+perlDreamer	on whatever browsers he has, it probably works fine	22:49
+perlDreamer	but how can 1 guy cover everything out there, on every platform?	22:49
+perlDreamer	I'm on the soapbox again, aren't I? Sorry about that	23:00
@preaction	no, but then we should keep it and report bugs against it, optionally providing patches	23:06
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+perlDreamer	yay, I can make requests to the USPS!	23:34
+perlDreamer	Unfortunately, the USPS hates my request :(	23:34
@preaction	how dare they?	23:35
+perlDreamer	well, when the URL looks like: http://production.shippingapis.com/ShippingAPI.dll	23:37
+perlDreamer	it just doesn't bode well	23:37
ckotil	there are some odd url extensions out there	23:39
+perlDreamer	ah, it's probably a problem on my end	23:43
+perlDreamer	I just got off the phone with them, and they're cool with high volume automated tests	23:44
+perlDreamer	so I'll figure out what's up	23:44
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+perlDreamer	yeah, my bad. GET vs POST request	23:49
CIA-23	WebGUI: hao * r10709 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Oops, forgot to rfe #9998 in changelog.	23:52
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+perlDreamer	bopbop's back!	00:18
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@preaction	you scared her away!	00:27
@preaction	question: if the collab's default sort order is desc, when I as a user click on a column header, would i expect that column to sort descending or ascending?	00:27
@preaction	so if "unsorted" it's doing a descending sort, when i sorted it, would i expect ascending?	00:27
@preaction	say i click on "title" column, the first time, unless it's already sorted by "title", i would want it sorted ascending, right?	00:28
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+perlDreamer	from a (top) to z (bottom)	00:46
+perlDreamer	that's what I would expect	00:46
@preaction	that's not what is happening	00:46
@preaction	on another note: i'm writing tests for the Collab system so I can refactor it!	00:46
@preaction	yay!	00:46
+perlDreamer	call a medic	00:47
+perlDreamer	I think I'm having a heart attack	00:48
+perlDreamer	Martha, I'm comin' to see ya, baby!	00:48
@preaction	i've already found about 20 lines of useless code	00:48
@preaction	uh.. how do i sort by rating? is it karmaRank? wtf?	00:50
@preaction	rating is not one of the allowed configurable sortBy options, BUT you can sort by it using the form for some reason...	00:50
+perlDreamer	danger, preaction. Working in the CS is known to induce fits of rage and frothing at the mouth.	00:53
@preaction	yeah, imma gather up a list of all the crap so i can discuss it with people to make sure we're Doing The Right Thing	00:54
+perlDreamer	is start from scratch on the list?	00:54
@preaction	i think the CS is salvagable	00:55
@preaction	which is why i'm building tests and refactoring	00:55
@preaction	well, the real reason is I need to refactor to fix a problem with a subclass, but still	00:56
+perlDreamer	we'll all benefit from the refactor, and the tests.	01:07
+perlDreamer	one thing about the sorting, I think that's actually a RFE'ed feature.	01:07
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+perlDreamer	crud, scared her away, too	01:16
+perlDreamer	what's wrong with us, preaction?	01:16
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+perlDreamer	I will never, ever start a project without branching for version control again	01:54
+perlDreamer	I will never, ever, start a project without branching for version control again	01:54
+perlDreamer	I will never, ever, start a project without branching for version control again.	01:55
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+perlDreamer	bopbop, something to file away for writing about Account modules	02:07
+perlDreamer	the Contributions page only shows unarchived contributions	02:07
+perlDreamer	I did a search for a user by username, which gave me a whole list of assets	02:08
+perlDreamer	then I clicked on his name to view his profile and contributions, and it was empty	02:08
@preaction	git can work with svn repos, right?	02:25
@preaction	so i can create a git repo of my svn repo and clone that and then commit only what i need?	02:25
@preaction	perlDreamer: re: the attachment order in collab systems: Doesn't the Story Manager allow you to order attachments?	02:26
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perlDreamer1	yup, git can work on SVN repos	02:35
perlDreamer1	Haarg and patspam both know how to connect the two.	02:43
+patspam	git-svn is your friend	02:44
* perlDreamer1 does not like the 50 character limit on git commit messages		02:46
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+perlDreamer	dinner time, hope to be back later	03:29
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10710 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)	11:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: Fixed Survey's handling of multi-answer questions (e.g. maxAnswers != 1)	11:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: Now stores all supplied answers to multi-answer question as arrayref	11:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: Variable [[var]] text replacement converts to comma-separated list	11:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: Expression Engine's value() returns appropriate value depending on context	11:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: Expression Engine's score() does sum of multi-answers, as you would expect	11:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: Updated related i18n & hover-help, and tests	11:22
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@Haarg	patspam, if there's any api enhancements i could make to wgdev to help with your padre plugin let me know.	11:34
@Haarg	i can't get padre itself to install at this point	11:34
+patspam	thanks Haarg!	11:37
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CIA-23	WebGUI: martin * r10711 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Tax details are now stored with the transaction items they belong to.	13:26
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finiteset	is webgui better than Joomla ? what are WebGUI's advantages?	16:50
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CIA-23	WebGUI: martin * r10712 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added the methods for the pluggable tax system that add templ vars to the cart and cart items.	17:07
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CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10713 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added more information output to EMS record importer.	17:32
CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10714 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm): Fixed a search results display error with synopsis.	17:32
CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10715 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm): Fixed a search results display error with synopsis.	17:32
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+perlDreamer	morning, folks	17:52
+MrHairgrease	hey pd!	17:53
SDuensin	Hey gang. Figured I'd poke in and prove I'm still alive.	17:57
+MrHairgrease	SDuensin: I don't buy it	18:02
SDuensin	:-P	18:02
+MrHairgrease	everybody knows you cannot trust prove delivered over the internet	18:02
SDuensin	I even have a new WebGUI site explaining my disappearance! http://www.getrosie.com	18:03
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, unless it runs WebGUI, it's not that interesting :P	18:06
+perlDreamer	wait a sec, the _site_ runs WebGUI.	18:08
+perlDreamer	but I've seen this someplace else	18:08
SDuensin	That's a standard development kit. I'm working on making our hardware better. Our software is already better than PogoPlug. :-D	18:09
+perlDreamer	wait a sec, you're doing the hardware, too?	18:16
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, you're a hardware hacker!	18:16
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SDuensin	perlDreamer - Uh, kinda. More like I know people who are. :-)	18:18
SDuensin	(But I have built an array of odd accessories for PCs over the years.)	18:18
+MrHairgrease	why do you caal the thing rosie?	18:19
SDuensin	Why not? :-)	18:19
SDuensin	Actually, we asked around quite a bit and most people liked it. Go figure.	18:20
+MrHairgrease	If it'scool you should prolly call it Martin	18:20
+MrHairgrease	just my 2 ct	18:20
SDuensin	:-)	18:21
SDuensin	I lobbied for "Bob" just to be silly.	18:21
+perlDreamer	How about Murray?	18:21
+perlDreamer	He's a curmudgeonly old man with awesome hair styling, but he's very technically savvy	18:21
+MrHairgrease	that would be good too	18:22
SDuensin	Part of the requirement was that whatever the name ended up being, it can't scare your parents. :-)	18:22
+MrHairgrease	hehe	18:22
+MrHairgrease	that's one cool word perldreamer	18:22
+MrHairgrease	i had to look it up	18:22
SDuensin	hehe	18:23
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CIA-23	WebGUI: - Fixed a load problem with Code Editor by making user toggle it on. This is	18:59
CIA-23	WebGUI: better than normal anyway since many users appear not to want to use the	18:59
CIA-23	WebGUI: editor in most cases.	18:59
CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10717 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt):	18:59
CIA-23	WebGUI: - Fixed a load problem with Code Editor by making user toggle it on. This is	18:59
CIA-23	WebGUI: better than normal anyway since many users appear not to want to use the	18:59
CIA-23	WebGUI: editor in most cases.	18:59
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+perlDreamer	Chuck Norris saves a bakers: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0%2C23739%2C25441767-5013016%2C00.html	19:36
+perlDreamer	bakery	19:36
+perlDreamer	hey, all. Which year was the first WUC?	19:45
+perlDreamer	was it 2004, or 2005?	19:45
@bopbop	Yeah SwiftySite!!	19:49
+perlDreamer	isn't that awesome?!!	19:49
@bopbop	very cool	19:49
+perlDreamer	bummer that LTR_bob isn't still in channel for some well earned kudos	19:50
@bopbop	no kidding	19:50
@bopbop	we'll kudo him later	19:50
@preaction	this swiftysite designer thing is amazing	20:11
@preaction	i mean, i don't understand dutch, but it works great	20:11
@preaction	http://www.alphamegahosting.com/swiftysitedesigner/swiftysitedesigner.html	20:11
ckotil	wow! this is awsome	20:15
@bopbop	they're presenting on swiftysite at the wuc too, aren't they?	20:18
@bopbop	you should go, preaction- see how it's done	20:18
@preaction	i was there last year when they demoed the first rev, but this version is leaps and bounds	20:18
@preaction	and i'll be there i suspect, i get to just hang around and be mostly useless	20:18
@preaction	schmoozing and boozing	20:19
@bopbop	it has its advantages	20:19
@preaction	yeah, i get to see presentations instead of worrying about my own ;)	20:19
@bopbop	much more fun	20:20
@bopbop	you have to hang out in my session, in case someone shows up	20:20
@bopbop	and has template questions	20:20
+perlDreamer	if he's not there, I will be	20:21
@bopbop	cool	20:21
@bopbop	and thx	20:21
@bopbop	:)	20:21
@preaction	oh, the clinic, yeah that's one of the main reasons i'll be there	20:21
@preaction	which means i'll miss the presentation on "The Swiftysite Technique" :'(	20:22
+perlDreamer	who is this guy talking about testing?	20:22
@preaction	Pluton is a dutch company	20:22
@preaction	i think it's one of Synq's	20:22
ckotil	i wonder if google translate would work on swifty design	20:23
+perlDreamer	I'd like to attend, but I'm talking about the Story Manager at the same time	20:23
@bopbop	I'm excited to see the story manager	20:23
@bopbop	which means I'll be on hand to grill you w/ questions	20:23
+perlDreamer	you don't have to wait until the WUC to do that	20:24
@bopbop	true	20:24
@bopbop	actually, you'll likely hear from me before then since I'll be trying to wrap up some more books by wuc time	20:24
+perlDreamer	not a problem	20:27
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@preaction	i dunno about google translate, but i might have to talk to their group about the i18n.js we have	20:43
ckotil	worth a shot	20:44
ckotil	then comes the swifty design asset	20:44
+perlDreamer	preaction, have you blogged about that yet?	20:52
+perlDreamer	I don't think anyone except a handful of people know about it yet.	20:52
+perlDreamer	actually, maybe I should WNN it	20:53
@preaction	no i haven't, it's on the docket as my next one	20:53
@preaction	so sometime in the next week or two	20:53
@preaction	then when i finally get the Map out i can blog about how the google maps API sucks	20:53
+perlDreamer	I'll tease it, then	20:53
+perlDreamer	unless you rather I not mention it all until after your post?	20:54
@preaction	go ahead, it's in there	20:55
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+perlDreamer	anyone going to see Star Trek today?	21:48
@preaction	mememememememe	21:49
+perlDreamer	From all the non-spoiler reviews, it's going to be good	21:53
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@preaction	perlDreamer: can i ask you a quick question about Devel::Cover? what does the A, B, C and "dec" mean in the HTML output?	22:46
@preaction	i want to get 100% coverage on the collab tests before i try to refactor, in case i screw something up	22:47
+perlDreamer	A, B, C and dec?	22:50
+perlDreamer	it's a logic table	22:50
+perlDreamer	A, B, and C are the various options	22:50
+perlDreamer	but it will also list what they are	22:50
+perlDreamer	does that help, preaction?	22:50
@preaction	$self->session->form->process('sortBy') and $self->session->form->process('func') ne 'editSave' <- so in this, A is the first part, B is the second	22:51
+perlDreamer	right	22:51
+perlDreamer	not sure about dec	22:51
@preaction	and the logic table says that i need 3 paths through it, when both are false, when A is false and B is true, and when A is true	22:51
@preaction	since when A is true, it doesn't matter what the other ones are	22:52
+perlDreamer	not quite	22:52
+perlDreamer	B doesn't matter if A if false	22:52
+perlDreamer	since and shortcircuits	22:52
@preaction	okay, now i see	22:53
+perlDreamer	so for a simple 2 condition AND, you have to check !A AND !B, !A AND B, A AND !B, and A AND B	22:53
@preaction	the X under B means "not checked because A is already false"	22:53
+perlDreamer	right	22:53
@preaction	"dec" seems to be the total value of the expression	22:53
+perlDreamer	maybe it's short for "decision"?	22:54
@preaction	that's what i'm thinking	22:54
+perlDreamer	it will take a very long time to cover all the CS at 100%	22:54
@preaction	don't want all of it, just this sub	22:54
+perlDreamer	cool	22:54
* perlDreamer is going to hit the showers, then head to the movie		22:55
+perlDreamer	I'll check back if you have more questions	22:55
@preaction	the problem is i think i need to refactor the sub in order to get some unreachable decisions	22:55
@preaction	or rather, decisions that no longer apply, but may still break things if removed :p	22:55
+perlDreamer	then you have to test in a larger context	22:55
+perlDreamer	more than just the sub	22:55
@preaction	i think removing these lines will only break people who were migrating from 6.x or earlier	22:56
@preaction	since it used to be properties could be undefined, and there was no default value	22:56
@preaction	anyway, have fun at the movie	22:56
+perlDreamer	so this would allow them to pass additional values for sorting in the URL as a query param?	22:56
+perlDreamer	things that aren't specified in the asset property?	22:57
@preaction	i'm talking before CS was an asset, back when it was USS	22:57
+perlDreamer	right	22:57
@preaction	so there may be assets out there that do not have values for certain properties, whereas today no property goes unfilled (thanks to defaultValue and new behavior of update())	22:58
@preaction	that's easily remedied with an upgrade script, of course	22:58
+perlDreamer	but if you change that behavior, it needs to go through the RFE loop?	22:59
+perlDreamer	which lines are you talking about?	22:59
+perlDreamer	near the 980's?	23:00
@preaction	997 and 998	23:00
@preaction	$sortBy \|\|= 'assetData.revisionDate'	23:00
@preaction	when that's the defaultValue up in the definition	23:00
@preaction	there should be no reason it reaches that point without a value	23:00
+perlDreamer	I see, unless the asset doesn't have that property set	23:01
@preaction	right	23:01
@preaction	which was possible before, but no longer	23:02
+perlDreamer	in that case, I'd do what you were talking about earlier	23:02
+perlDreamer	and put something into the upgrade script, and kill those lines	23:02
@preaction	upgrade? or test for it?	23:02
@preaction	i think i should test for it for now	23:02
@preaction	change as little as possible	23:03
@preaction	(i know, i just changed my mind)	23:03
+perlDreamer	it doesn't hurt to have it there. In fact, you could merge it into the statement above	23:03
@preaction	but my mind is little ;)	23:03
@preaction	that too	23:03
+perlDreamer	it's easier to get 100% coverage on OR, since a true value cascades	23:03
* perlDreamer is outta here		23:03
* perlDreamer is back for a bit		23:25
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@preaction	working with Devel::Cover makes testing so much more fun and easy	23:43
@preaction	no guessing "am i testing this thoroughly?"	23:44
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CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10718 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.pm: fixed pagination counting error and some ticket import problems	20:16
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10719 /WebGUI/t/Group.t: Add a test to check for the override of expire time in addUsers.	05:38
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+patspam	Haarg: ping	06:15
@Haarg	?	06:15
+patspam	heya!	06:15
+patspam	the main thing at the moment with wgd padre plugin..	06:15
+patspam	is that i am running padre under one perl (my system perl, which is threaded), and wgd under wre perl	06:16
+patspam	meaning that i can only access wgd as if it were a binary (/data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl /data/wre/prereqs/bin/wgd <cmd> <options>)	06:16
@Haarg	hmm	06:17
+patspam	which is obviously a lot less powerful than if i could access wgd as a perl module	06:17
@Haarg	locally, i have wgd and anything else command line using a perl i compiled myself	06:18
@Haarg	but apache still runs using the wre	06:18
+patspam	so you're adding /data/WebGUI/lib to your custom perl lib includes?	06:19
@Haarg	yeah, it's in PERL5LIB	06:19
+patspam	from memory you would have also had to do something when installing DBI::mysql to let it know about wre's mysql? or not?	06:20
+patspam	can't remember why i think that, but a bell in my head was ringing..	06:21
@Haarg	well, the only real problem mysql is that if the hostname is localhost it tries to connect with the socket file	06:21
@Haarg	i just have it configured as 127.0.0.1 so it avoids that magic and uses tcp like you would expect	06:21
+patspam	ah beautiful	06:21
@Haarg	alternatively, you may be able to compile DBI::mysql against the wre's mysql libraries	06:22
@Haarg	but i haven't done that	06:22
@Haarg	i haven't worked extensively on some of the commands, import/export would likely work better that edit if you continue using it as a binary though	06:22
@Haarg	the main problem i would see with a binary, especially if you get into something like an asset tree browser, would be speed	06:23
@Haarg	loading all those libraries takes a long time if you have to do it multiple times	06:23
+patspam	yeah good point	06:24
@Haarg	it's unfortunate that we can't build threading into the wre, but unless we had a separate developer build i don't think that would be reasonable	06:24
+patspam	that's ok, it sounds like the separate perl approach will work well	06:25
+patspam	i was wondering though, xs modules are supposed to be binary incompatible between threaded/non-threaded perl	06:26
+patspam	ah that's ok through, because all the xs modules are in the wre, not in /data/WebGUI/lib	06:26
@Haarg	yeah	06:26
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+patspam	heh damn, too exciting, i want to run off and play with it but have to prioritise $work :(	06:34
@Haarg	heh	06:36
@Haarg	i finally got wxWidgets to install properly so i do have padre working now	06:36
@Haarg	i'll be happy to test out stuff	06:37
+patspam	awesome!	06:41
+patspam	i just switched over from Eclipse + EPIC to Padre as my IDE	06:41
+patspam	it still has plenty of rough edges but enough cool stuff to be worthwhile	06:42
+patspam	and it's improving at a ridiculous rate	06:42
+patspam	when i get a chance i'll set up a git repo for the plugin so that you can play with it	06:42
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10720 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	11:10
CIA-23	WebGUI: Survey Expression Engine validation++	11:10
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CIA-23	WebGUI: Also now detects situations where you have jump targets/expressions defined at multiple levels - thus causing precedence rules to kick in (normally this indicates a mistake)	11:10
CIA-23	WebGUI: Fixed Survey edit page bug where TextEditor would not move after gotoExpression textarea resize caused items to move	11:10
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daviddelikat	any body else notice strange behaviour of the rich text editor in newer versions of WG?	03:27
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elnino	does the 7.5 shop book apply to the 7.6 shop? or is the 7.6 entirely different?	03:45
elnino	oh nevermind, it says 7.5 and higher, so then the question is, is 7.7 going to change the shop drasticlly?	03:46
daviddelikat	hi elnino	03:46
elnino	howdy!	03:46
daviddelikat	sorry i can't help with your question	03:46
elnino	that's ok. it's a sunday, I don't expect much activity on weekends.	03:47
@preaction	elnino: no. shop is API frozen now	03:47
daviddelikat	itys usually very quiet here on weekends	03:47
elnino	ok. thanks for the quick response preaction.	03:47
elnino	Now I wish I could ask if there is a discount if I buy two books.	03:48
elnino	I dont' think anyone here would know. there isn't anything on the website.	03:48
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elnino	hi dionak! haven't seen you for a while.	03:49
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10721 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed Survey "copy" button on Edit Survey page	08:36
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SynQ	heu joeri	09:52
dapperedodo	goodmorning	10:07
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10722 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Survey Expressions can now access verbatim values	10:20
+patspam	preaction: you awake?	10:31
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10723 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.pm: Fixed Survey expression validation handling of verbatim values	11:50
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ryuu_ro	hi all, is there any chance that one of you guys has a compiled WRE for CentOs 64bit?	12:10
ryuu_ro	and are willing to share that with me :)	12:10
+bartjol	willing? no ;)	12:45
+bartjol	have not either	12:45
+bartjol	sorry	12:53
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ryuu_ro	bartjol: thanks for nothing then ;)	12:55
+bartjol	I'm always the guy to get useless answers from :)	12:55
ryuu_ro	it's almost lunchtime	12:56
CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10724 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs):	14:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Added Survey Visualization	14:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Does nothing if GraphViz module not installed (the default until wre 0.9.3)	14:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Shows sections and questions as nodes, answers as edges.	14:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Branch targets also show up as edges	14:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Branch expression edges are currently disabled	14:04
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+perlDreamer	plainhao, there's a typo in my user/address book bug. It should say 7.6 and 7.7	19:18
@plainhao	ok, thanks	19:19
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dionak	hey, elnino!	19:27
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pvanthony	where can wre ver 0.9.2 be downloaded?	20:35
+perlDreamer	pvanthony, howdy. It seems to have been built, but not released yet.	20:40
+perlDreamer	I would make a follow-up post to this forum thread: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/wre-0.9.2-	20:40
pvanthony	Hello perlDreamer	20:40
pvanthony	yes I did notice that 0.9.2 is with the VM version	20:41
+perlDreamer	I'm guessing that it got lost in a wave of business and maybe a conference trip.	20:41
pvanthony	ok.	20:44
pvanthony	in the forum post, it states ver 0.9.3	20:44
pvanthony	maybe they would release that version.	20:44
+perlDreamer	right. At the date that post was made, if anything was committed after that date (April 10, 2009), it would come out on 0.9.3	20:45
+perlDreamer	but 0.9.2 is supposed to be the current one	20:45
pvanthony	ok.	20:46
pvanthony	in the latest stable release, it states that it fixed email sending	20:46
pvanthony	is this the issue I was having?	20:47
+perlDreamer	is that the WebGUI 7.6 release?	20:47
+perlDreamer	or the WRE?	20:47
pvanthony	in 7.6.22	20:47
pvanthony	WebGUI	20:47
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10726 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/getThreads.t: added tests for getThreadsPaginator in Collaboration to allow future refactoring	20:48
+perlDreamer	if that's bug 10210, then probably not	20:48
+perlDreamer	that was a bad message-Id generation	20:48
+perlDreamer	not workflow related at all, unfortunately	20:48
@preaction	CIA-23: thanks, i know i'm awesome ;)	20:49
pvanthony	noted.	20:49
+perlDreamer	preaction++	20:49
+perlDreamer	writing tests. I always know you had it in you	20:49
@preaction	there are two other "getThreads" methods that need testing yet, then we'll be good	20:49
@preaction	i write tests when i'm given enough time! blame the managers (of which i am one)	20:49
+perlDreamer	I know, just busting your chops	20:50
@preaction	consider them busted ;_;	20:50
+perlDreamer	In that base, it's time to start jumping through hoops for the USPS	20:51
+perlDreamer	s/base/case	20:52
* preaction breaks out his whip and fire-ring		20:52
+perlDreamer	they require you to run several XML queries through their testing server	20:52
+perlDreamer	even if the testing server doesn't support the service that you want to use	20:52
@preaction	some days i wonder if webgui just gets lucky when it comes to not doing stupid things	20:53
+perlDreamer	you mean it's not due to our awesome coding prowess?	20:54
@preaction	we are awesome yes, but in any development ecosystem, there has to be some weaker "prey" animals	20:56
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metanil	any ideas? --> Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::www_spectreStatus. Root cause: Undefined subroutine &WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::from_json	20:56
@preaction	metanil: what version you running, because that's a bug	20:57
@preaction	or what version of JSON you have?	20:57
@preaction	we shouldn't be using from_json anymore	20:57
metanil	preaction: i guess pretty old.	20:57
@preaction	there's a problem running old webgui with new JSON.pm	20:57
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metanil	preaction: WebGUI 7.4.17-stable	20:58
@preaction	and that would be one of the versions affected	20:58
@preaction	anything pre 7.5 stable would be effected	20:58
@preaction	er... s/\be/a/	20:58
metanil	preaction: I just recently noticed this problem	20:59
metanil	because my spectre is not working properly.	20:59
@preaction	did you upgrade your WRE or your perl modules?	21:00
metanil	preaction: i can't remember.. but i think i did..	21:00
@preaction	and as i said, new JSON.pm broke API with old versions	21:01
@preaction	so you either need to update webgui or downgrade JSON.pm	21:01
metanil	its WRE 0.8.1	21:01
metanil	preaction: is that the reason that my queued mail is not getting send?	21:02
@preaction	yes	21:02
metanil	preaction: but the commit is also done by Spectre, but i guess its working fine.	21:02
@preaction	because commit is not a scheduled task. scheduled tasks are sent to spectre using a JSON object	21:03
metanil	what about this one--> WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CommitVersionTag?	21:03
@preaction	that's the activity that commits a version tag	21:04
+perlDreamer	it's run in realtime when you do a commit	21:05
+perlDreamer	if it can't complete in 55 seconds, then it dispatches it to Spectre	21:05
@preaction	not in 7.4. it's sent directly to spectre	21:05
metanil	perlDreamer: gotcha!	21:06
+perlDreamer	oh, that's right.	21:06
metanil	preaction: really?	21:06
@preaction	spectre gets the scheduled tasks via JSON. then it creates instances when it needs to, which get run. the problem is that spectre is not creating instances of scheduled tasks because it can't parse the JSON	21:07
@preaction	so now we're back to my original comment: Upgrade WebGUI or downgrade JSON.pm	21:07
metanil	i'll try to downgrade the WRE for not and see what happens.	21:07
metanil	err.. s/not/now/	21:07
metanil	preaction: is it just possible to downgrade JSON thing	21:10
@preaction	as i've been saying, yes	21:11
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10727 /translations/Arabic/ (188 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	21:11
@preaction	huh, arabic translation is getting an update	21:11
@preaction	it's now beating Spanish for 3rd place	21:12
+perlDreamer	it's been ahead of Spanish always	21:14
+perlDreamer	by like 0.2%	21:14
+perlDreamer	if you look at that commit, it just reformats the perl and adds the use utf8 line to each file.	21:16
@preaction	aww	21:19
+perlDreamer	according to the WNN i18n analyzer, Arabic has been at 60% since May 3rd	21:22
+perlDreamer	and, quoting the recently released 3rd issue of WNN, the only language that isn't losing ground is German.	21:23
+perlDreamer	oh, and French	21:23
+perlDreamer	their work has just been enough to get them some gain to offset all the new i18n going into the system	21:24
+perlDreamer	awesome t-shirt: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QW-CHEATSHEET&Category_Code=QW	21:24
@preaction	yeah, this is like the "everyone should know this if the world dies" t-shirt	21:30
+perlDreamer	ooh, do you have a URL for that?	21:31
@preaction	you're looking at it	21:32
+perlDreamer	I see. I thought you meant that it reminded you of another t-shirt _like_ that one	21:33
@preaction	oh, no	21:33
@preaction	though there's little chemistry info, and chemistry would probably be the second most-important knowledge after health	21:33
pvanthony	was trying out the beta.webgui and notice a new item in shop catogory	21:38
pvanthony	thing-record	21:38
pvanthony	is this fully working?	21:39
pvanthony	tried to use it but could not really get it to work	21:39
pvanthony	or is this still in development	21:40
+perlDreamer	it should be fully working	21:40
@preaction	it should work fine	21:40
pvanthony	ok then I did not do it right.	21:40
pvanthony	any documentation around.	21:41
pvanthony	in the wiki?	21:41
@preaction	not really. do you have a Thingy with a Thing or two?	21:41
pvanthony	Created a thingy. Simple one flat.	21:41
@preaction	but it has a Thing in it?	21:41
pvanthony	then proceeded to create thing-record	21:42
pvanthony	to link to the thingy	21:42
pvanthony	the idea was to create only one field to be linked to the shop	21:43
pvanthony	so if the customer fills that feild then and only then they will be charged.	21:44
pvanthony	I was thinking to create the thingy frist then create the thingy-record to make one of the fields in the thingy payable.	21:45
@preaction	create the Thingy. create the Thing inside of it that the user should be adding records to. Then create the ThingyRecord sku to allow users to add records to that Thing	21:47
* perlDreamer goes running		21:52
pvanthony	lets say I create a thingy called Talents	21:53
pvanthony	with feilds, name and telephone	21:53
pvanthony	I want to charge $10 for the telehpone feild	21:53
pvanthony	so I create a thingy-record linked to talent thingy at the telephone feild.	21:54
@preaction	right	21:55
pvanthony	so when the customer fills in the data in the thingy form with telephone number, the cart has 10 dollars added.	21:55
@preaction	no, not right. what you're doing is linking the ThingyRecord to the Thingy, and allowing them to only fill out the Telephone field at a cost	21:55
@preaction	the ThingyRecord only adds records to Thingy	21:55
@preaction	it doesn't modify existing ones. you can still use Thingy as-is	21:56
pvanthony	what if we allow customers to fill their names for free but what to charge if they add the telephone number?	21:58
@preaction	the ThingyRecord allows users who are normally unprivileged for that Thing to add records	21:58
@preaction	then make a new Thing and have it link to the first Thing with names	21:58
@preaction	then the user selects their name and adds a phone number	21:58
@preaction	so two things, one for names, one for phone numbers.	21:59
pvanthony	ok now I get it	21:59
pvanthony	thingy-record can only to charges for one thingy not one feild of a thingy	22:00
pvanthony	that is, do charges for one thingy not one feild of a thingy	22:01
pvanthony	so if there is a form with 5 feilds that need to be charged, 5 more thingy have to be created and linked to thingy-record.	22:02
@preaction	no	22:03
@preaction	thingy record charges for one record in one thingy, but it tracks its records seperately	22:03
pvanthony	sorry I do not get it then	22:03
@preaction	it cannot charge for a record that was not created using ThingyRecord	22:03
@preaction	imagine it more like a Classified Ad system	22:04
@preaction	if you want to charge seperately for each field, then yes you would need to have seperate things	22:05
pvanthony	ok	22:05
pvanthony	plus we have to create one more thingy to link all the feilds into one form. Correct?	22:06
@preaction	you could do that, or you could make an SQLReport that would combine all the fields	22:08
@preaction	alternatively, you could enhance / subclass the ThingyRecord to do what you want	22:09
pvanthony	what I was hoping for is to do something like this, http://www.lsvasiadirectory.com/home/normal	22:10
pvanthony	if the customer fills in the part B, then he will be charged.	22:10
pvanthony	each feild has a different price	22:11
@preaction	you would be far better served by making this a custom Sku, using the ThingyRecord as a base	22:11
pvanthony	oh no. I am not a programmer.	22:13
@preaction	or, as i mentioned, making it so each field that a user is allowed to enter has a price (so that the ThingyRecord could be used)	22:13
@preaction	plain black (and others) does programming	22:13
pvanthony	ok noted.	22:13
@preaction	we could develop the feature and put it into webgui (at a cost, of course)	22:13
@preaction	otherwise, if you want it free, you can submit an RFE to webgui.org/rfe and wait (whereas paying money will get you the feature right now)	22:14
pvanthony	understand	22:14
pvanthony	thanks for explaining how to use the thingy-record	22:15
@preaction	np	22:15
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metanil	preaction: any ways to find the current version of JSON on the wre?	22:43
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@Haarg	/data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -mJSON -le'print JSON->VERSION'	22:48
metanil	Haarg: thanks	22:54
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metanil	still no luck .WebGUI 7.4.17-stable WRE 0.8.1 JSON 1.1 ---> Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::www_spectreStatus. Root cause: Undefined subroutine &WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::from_json	23:00
@Haarg	are you certain all of your files are from 7.4.17?	23:03
@Haarg	from_json is from JSON 2.0, which we switched to in 7.4.22	23:04
metanil	so you mean the Operation::Spectre.pm should not be using from_json()?	23:05
@Haarg	not in 7.4.17	23:05
metanil	file /data/WebGUI/docs/changelog is 7.4.17	23:06
metanil	file /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm is also 7.4.17	23:07
@Haarg	what are you doing to see those errors?	23:11
metanil	i went to admin console->settings->Spectre	23:11
metanil	(moreover, my queued mail is also not being send)	23:12
@Haarg	and that showed up in the error log?	23:12
@Haarg	can you pastebin /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm ?	23:12
metanil	yes and that error showed up in webgui log	23:13
metanil	Haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d12eea067	23:15
@Haarg	that file is not from 7.4.17	23:16
@Haarg	have you made any code modifications?	23:17
metanil	oops!! .. (how can it be)	23:17
metanil	yes i did lots of code modificatioh	23:17
@Haarg	hmm	23:17
@Haarg	you might want to do a diff with stock 7.4.17	23:18
metanil	its not like i haven't played with newer version.. but this one suppose to be 7.4.17	23:18
@Haarg	if you can do a full diff with a stock copy of 7.4.17 that would help fixing this issue	23:21
metanil	Haarg: yes i just did whole project directory comparison with the stock one, they're different	23:21
metanil	:(	23:21
@Haarg	pastebin?	23:21
metanil	stock use jsonToObj .. my version use from_json	23:21
metanil	the first file i saw is Admin.pm	23:22
metanil	and same goes with Operation/Spectre.pm	23:22
metanil	Haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d724e4068	23:23
@Haarg	i mean, can you pastebin a full diff of the dirs?	23:23
metanil	everything is same. except from_json and to_json	23:23
metanil	i used meld to compare them	23:24
@Haarg	it might be possible to upgrade to json 2.0, but we were resolving bugs with that upgrade for a while afterward, so unless you want to upgrade to the latest 7.4, it might be easier to change them back to be compatible with json 1.x	23:27
metanil	Haarg: sorry my bad.. now i remember.. last time (may be 7-8 month ago), i tried to use latest version of WRE for old WebGUI and the first place it didn't work is due to JSON call. Then i replace all with the newer call. But somehow again, it didn't work, so i reverted back to old wre. however, i pressume to revert the webgui.. :( (damn me!)	23:30
metanil	err... however, i pressume i forgot to revert the webgui	23:30
metanil	the current version is still 7.4.17 except the call to json is replace by the newer call.	23:31
metanil	i guess should be ok, if replace the newer call with the older one (like jsonToObj)	23:32
@Haarg	yeah, that should be ok	23:32
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+perlDreamer	preaction: test #8 is failing on the getThreads test	00:07
+perlDreamer	got: undef, expected; 'desc'	00:07
@preaction	okay, that's trying to get the scratch value, which should be filled in by getThreadsPaginator	00:08
@preaction	("should" being a word to describe current behavior, i hope to excise that stupidity)	00:08
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+perlDreamer	gotcha	00:08
+perlDreamer	you know, if you fix enough things in the CS maybe the rumors of its demise will go away...	00:09
@preaction	that's what i'm hoping. it is a good platform for building apps when you subclass it	00:11
@preaction	but i still want the specific assets to be built, the Blog asset, the Story Manager, the Gallery, etc...	00:11
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+perlDreamer	Yes!	00:13
* perlDreamer wants to use the Blog asset		00:13
@preaction	why can't the Story Manager be used for Blogging? is it too big?	00:13
+perlDreamer	No comments	00:13
+perlDreamer	No trackbacks	00:13
+perlDreamer	No remote authentication	00:13
@preaction	oh, API stuff	00:14
+perlDreamer	yes	00:14
+perlDreamer	It's just as bad as using the CS for blogging, probably worse	00:14
@preaction	remote auth is a WebGUI tool, will be added in 8 (well, Auth will be rewritten with OpenID in mind)	00:14
+perlDreamer	although the Story Manager is pretty light weight, all three assets only take 1772 lines, including POD, whitespace and comments	00:15
@preaction	yeah that's like 1/3 of the CS	00:15
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@preaction	but then, the CS should get reduced once i clean out some bitrot and some more aspects are made	00:15
@preaction	if you can, perlDreamer, go over that getThreads.t test and see what behavior doesn't make sense to you. my plan is to test the CS as-is and let others make judgements over how stupid it's being	00:16
+perlDreamer	I'll try to have a look later today.	00:17
@preaction	no rush, there are plenty of tests left to write	00:17
+perlDreamer	I guess I'm still not sure why that one test is failing. Is it failing on your dev setup as well?	00:18
@preaction	no, they all passed when i committed. let me check though	00:19
+perlDreamer	maybe it's some uncommitted CS code	00:20
@preaction	yeah, all tests pass for me	00:22
@preaction	it's also a pretty dangerous operation, checking the scratch like that. i only tested it because it's what the CS does, and i want to refactor that part out of getThreadsPaginator into a getSortBy	00:22
+perlDreamer	from what I see, it's either going to set the sortBy, or the sortDir, never both	00:24
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+perlDreamer	and there's a copy/paste error in the test comment for the failing test. I just committed a fix for that	00:27
+perlDreamer	hm, since it's scratch, it can accumulate across calls in a valid set of requests	00:28
+perlDreamer	but the scratch is cleared out just before the sortBy from form tests	00:29
@preaction	yeah, that's why i try to delete it afterward when i am not testing if it should stay	00:29
@preaction	oh wait, maybe i updated the CS to update both scratch no matter what	00:29
+perlDreamer	:)	00:29
+perlDreamer	svn diff tells all	00:29
@preaction	that would be what i did	00:29
@preaction	i'll commit that	00:30
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+perlDreamer	Haarg has been back porting all new tests to help with 7.6 debug. We should let him know not to do that unless he modifies the test first.	00:30
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@preaction	the problem i have is that getThreadsPaginator is what handles the flipping of sorting. if you use getThreadsPaginator twice in one request that contains a sortBy= form param, you get two different answers	00:31
+perlDreamer	in other words, it would be nice to have getThreadyPaginator just get the paginator, and let some other method do all the form handling and mode flipping?	00:32
@preaction	right, preferably view() would do that	00:32
@preaction	web-facing methods should handle web data and web input	00:32
+perlDreamer	sure	00:33
+perlDreamer	www_view, even better	00:33
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+perlDreamer	having done the hoop jumping manuever, our hero now calls the post office in an attempt to get his account upgraded	00:34
+perlDreamer	bbiaw	00:35
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10728 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/getThreads.t: Fix a test comment.	00:52
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10729 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: collab now always sets sortOrder scratch, for better testing	00:52
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+perlDreamer	yay!	01:14
+perlDreamer	production access to the server	01:14
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CIA-23	WebGUI: ernesto * r10730 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/editarea/edit_area/ (images/Thumbs.db plugins/test/images/Thumbs.db): Remove stray Windows' Thumbs.db files.	03:07
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10732 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made Survey date picker more i18n-generic until we support proper i18n	03:44
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10733 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs):	16:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Refactored Survey for more happy endings	16:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Refactored www_submitQuestions to use utility submitQuestions sub (for ease of testing)	16:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Replaced numeric flags, completedCode etc..	16:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Added restart() and exitUrl() to the Expression Engine	16:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Added more Survey instance tests	16:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10734 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (16 files): Update from translation server	16:57
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10735 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (PayDriver_ITransact.pm Asset.pm WebGUI.pm): Update from translation server	16:57
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SquOnk	Greetings everyone	17:39
dionak	hi	17:40
SquOnk	FYI, I've already packaged 7.6.22 for Debian _Sid_ and it's working fine	17:41
SquOnk	I expect an sponsored upload to Debian next week	17:41
SquOnk	The package can be made to work in Debian Lenny with little effort.	17:42
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10736 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (5 files): Update from translation server	17:52
+perlmonkey2	hmm, no perldreamer today	18:03
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CIA-23	WebGUI: yung * r10737 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Compare form on Matrix default view screen is now generated from markup	18:20
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+perlDreamer	cool! Somebody is translating Dutch again!	19:16
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@tavisto	great news	19:21
@tavisto	and it's not bart jol, the big dutch girly man?	19:21
* perlDreamer doesn't know		19:22
+perlDreamer	but he's not in IRC, so I'm guessing that he's breaking down walls or something	19:22
@Haarg	bleh. i can't wait until we switch to template toolkit.	21:22
@Haarg	every time i use html::template i hate it more	21:22
@preaction	amen brother	21:22
* SquOnk wishes for a switch to DBIx::Class instead		21:38
SquOnk	That would make so many things easier...	21:38
@preaction	SquOnk: there's a DBIx::Class::WebGUI you can use if you want	21:39
@preaction	or there's also WebGUI::Crud	21:39
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+perlDreamer	what's so cool about DBIx::Class?	21:44
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+perlmonkey2	ORM?	22:49
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+perlDreamer	mmmmm, mango/vanilla protein shake	23:11
+perlDreamer	it's not as good as pizza	23:11
+perlDreamer	but don't tell my trainer that I said that	23:11
@preaction	that actually sounds pretty good	23:16
@preaction	but why not just increase protein in diet?	23:16
@preaction	seafood++	23:16
@preaction	you're in Oregon! you get cheap seafood. unlike Wisconsin :p	23:16
+perlDreamer	want me to bring you some at the WUC?	23:18
+perlDreamer	rizen and I see eye to eye on seafood	23:18
+perlDreamer	which means, when you order surf and turf, you pass the surf over to the wife	23:19
@preaction	shrimp is like candy of the ocean!	23:22
+perlDreamer	shrimp is good	23:22
@preaction	or sushi!	23:22
* perlDreamer always gets confused. sushi==raw fish, or vegetables?		23:23
@preaction	sushi is the rice	23:23
+perlDreamer	one is sushi, the other is sashimi	23:23
@preaction	sashimi is raw fish over sushi rice	23:23
+perlDreamer	in that case, I'm digging the sushi, but leave the fish bait off of it	23:23
@preaction	maki is the "sushi" you know, with the fish and the veggies rolled up in sushi rice	23:23
Chizad	Man, this sushi talk is making me hungry, and I just ate about an hour ago.	23:25
Chizad	also, IIRC nigiri is the raw fish over sushi rice, and sashimi is just thin slices of raw fish.	23:26
@preaction	yeah, that sounds right	23:27
Chizad	Either way, they're both very tasty. :)	23:29
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dionak	you guys are making me hungry	23:42
@preaction	then i won't go into the details on how i made home-made tortellini last night	23:43
@preaction	mmmmmmm	23:44
@tavisto	preaction, you got Olive Garden to go. I saw you there	23:44
@preaction	don't tell THEM that	23:44
@tavisto	er...	23:44
@preaction	besides, they don't make pasta from scratch either	23:44
@preaction	they have MACHINES	23:44
+perlDreamer	no one makes pasta without a machine	23:45
dionak	oh, i thought they ordered it frozen (olive garden)	23:45
+perlDreamer	we have this little hand crank one	23:45
@tavisto	perlDreamer has fisher price play-doh machine	23:46
@preaction	yeah, i want me one of thems hand-crank ones	23:46
+perlDreamer	tavisto is jealous, cuz he got a Easy Bake oven instead	23:47
@tavisto	why would I be jealous of you when I have an easy bake oven? are you insane!	23:47
+perlDreamer	because I'll be cranking out the pasta long after you run out of chococake mix and pink frosting	23:48
@tavisto	have fun poisoning your brain with blue play doh spaghetti... I'm making & eating chocolate cake and brownies!	23:48
@tavisto	I think you'll be dead after 1 plate of play doh sketti	23:48
+perlDreamer	blue is fine, it's the yellow you have to watch out for	23:48
@tavisto	we'll bring some to WUC and you'll have to prove it to me	23:49
+perlDreamer	I'll bring the marinara	23:51
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ekennedy_	I've got an RFE (#10253) that I've received permission to commit. I'm good with submitting the code changes via SVN, however, the change also adds a column to the DataForm table. Am I to add the code within an upgrade script to handle that or do I communicate it to someone else who does if for me?	02:12
@preaction	ekennedy_: add the column within the appropriate upgrade script	02:13
ekennedy_	thanks.	02:14
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+perlDreamer	we should have told him about RFE day tomorrow.	02:31
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+perlDreamer	just committed the USPS shipping driver, and I'd love any feedback y'all have about it	03:06
+perlDreamer	bbiaw	03:06
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10738 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 8 dirs):	03:15
CIA-23	WebGUI: Add USPS Shipping Driver with tests, and i18n.	03:15
CIA-23	WebGUI: Change the Ship, Cart to do exception handling when calling a shipping driver,	03:15
CIA-23	WebGUI: as that's the message passing interface between the modules.	03:15
CIA-23	WebGUI: Add a noFormProcess field property that is recognized by processPropertiesFromFormPost.	03:15
@preaction	perlDreamer: code looks solid to me. why all the private methods instead of public methods? is there a special reason?	03:35
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+perlDreamer	preaction, they aren't meant to be called by anyone but me	04:04
+perlDreamer	so that's why I marked them private	04:04
+perlDreamer	and thank you very much for the review	04:05
@preaction	doesn't mean they couldn't be useful to someone else, in a macro perhaps?	04:06
@preaction	the calculate one especially	04:06
@preaction	i dunno how shipdrivers work, maybe i'm off-base	04:06
+perlDreamer	(I think) everything a caller would need is ->calculate, rather than building the XML, submitting the request, and then reconciling XML data with the shippable units	04:07
+perlDreamer	although, if getShippableUnits is as useful as I think it is, it will be promoted to ShipDriver	04:08
+perlDreamer	since the UPS code will use it, too	04:08
@preaction	good to know when trying to debug that the production server has code with bugfixes that SVN doesn't have...	04:23
+perlDreamer	that's bad	04:24
@preaction	yeah, little bit	04:25
+perlmonkey2	woohoo, my G1 comes in tomorrow. I bet android market wouldn't reject a Gallery app because the default template looks like a Polaroid.	04:35
@preaction	i was under impression that android didn't have a central app server, or at least it's controlled by people who believe in a free market	04:42
+Radix-wrk	Ahh.. you're getting a G1 eh.. not going to wait for the nicer sapphire/magic handset? :)	04:55
+Radix-wrk	saw a video of samsung's new android handset in action yesterday - looks nice.. tho still lots of stuff to fix in their software it looks like	04:56
+Radix-wrk	preaction: android has an app server.. and it's controlled, but not as much as the apple app market is from what I've heard - that may change of course	04:58
@preaction	but i can install whatever i want on my android phone, w/o using their app server, right?	05:06
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+perlDreamer	at what point does one throw caution aside and decide to publish the details of bad technical support?	05:11
+perlmonkey2	Radix-wrk: nicer? I didn't think the magic was going to be nicer	05:14
+perlmonkey2	lcd keyboard....fail	05:14
+perlmonkey2	and other than the lack of keyboard, giving it a slighter smaller lighter frame, and a marginally upgraded battery, it is the same machine.	05:15
@preaction	perlDreamer: after one is finally satisfied	05:15
+perlmonkey2	preaction: yes, you can install whatever you want from your machine.	05:15
+perlDreamer	I was having problems with the API docs. I told them that. I sent them the XML I was sending, and the response from their server.	05:18
+perlDreamer	I called out the pages in the spec	05:18
+perlDreamer	His response was " I have verified your account is active and everything on our side is up and running correctly. I would suggest contacting your 3rd party shopping cart for assistance."	05:18
+perlDreamer	I AM the 3rd party shopping cart	05:18
+perlDreamer	I don't know whether to email him back and try to explain	05:21
+perlDreamer	or to publish this on my blog	05:21
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10739 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): Improved performance for large numbers of asset instantiations	05:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10740 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm: merged 10739	05:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10741 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Improved handling of Survey restart	05:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10742 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs):	05:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: More Survey refactoring	05:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: refactored out repetitive checking of takenCount	05:22
CIA-23	WebGUI: added i18n template variables to Survey template so that user is told what happened for timeouts etc..	05:22
+perlDreamer	patspam++ for remembering the Help	05:23
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ekennedy	Question: Is there a way to install an different version of Webgui in an existing wre installation? This is for test purposes so I'm not worried about hammering the exisitng databases.	05:29
+perlDreamer	ekennedy, there's a couple of ways to do tht	05:30
+perlDreamer	the most common way is to symlink directories to /data/WebGUI	05:30
+perlDreamer	which would let you change between many versions	05:31
+perlDreamer	another way is via git, which makes switching between branches quite painless	05:31
+perlDreamer	I'd recommend the first, unless you're quite proficient with git	05:31
+perlDreamer	which /me is not	05:31
ekennedy	Its been a few years since I've done a source install of WebGUI but I assume that is what I will want to do to create the desired environment.	05:32
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+Radix-wrk	perlmonkey2, personally not a fan of physical keyboards on phones - a good onscreen keyboard works better imho and they just add bulk to the phone. The HTC Magic looks very slim in comparison so less weight in the pocket.	05:46
+perlmonkey2	I wonder how Google is making money with Android? I read so far only 3% of handheld web traffic is via Android. Are they hoping it will eventually drive enough search traffic?	05:52
@preaction	deals with vendors to provide support perhaps?	05:53
+perlmonkey2	makes sense	05:54
+Radix-wrk	android has barely gotten off the ground tho	06:00
+Radix-wrk	it's only available in one phone atm	06:01
+Radix-wrk	and google win by just making google maps/search/etc all ubiquitous on your phone	06:01
+Radix-wrk	the more phones that come out powered by android, the more google wins marketshare of the handset market	06:02
@preaction	yes, but what does marketshare mean to google when android is F/OSS	06:04
+perlDreamer	then doesn't it become F/OSS vs proprietary?	06:05
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@preaction	the HTC Magic looks pretty nice	06:06
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10743 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Fix a POD whitespace problem in SurveyJSON.	06:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10744 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fix POD syntax errors in Survey.pm	06:07
@preaction	and now, again, i want to wait to buy a new phone because i want to see if the openness of android leads to better software than the idiots at apple	06:07
+Radix-wrk	f/oss just means it's possible for other vendors to add support for their stuff - but doesn't mean they will	06:08
+Radix-wrk	MS is still pushing their Windows mobile stuff.. apple still pushing iPhone.	06:09
+Radix-wrk	Interestingly enough, Symbian OS is open source now too	06:09
@preaction	yeah, but symbian has always sucked	06:10
+Radix-wrk	yup	06:10
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+Radix-wrk	So I think MS will still control the corporate market for the time being.. apple will have the artsy geeks, and android will be aimed at the hacker/geek market who want more flexibility/customisation	06:12
+Radix-wrk	and of course there's a few others.. blackberries OS, Palm's WebOS	06:13
@preaction	i heard BB was going to android	06:14
+Radix-wrk	it's an interesting market atm.. lots of interesting developments and changes	06:14
+Radix-wrk	I think android has the potential to be great.. it all depends on the next few handsets	06:14
@preaction	yes, but if you want something that works well now, go with iphone	06:15
+perlmonkey2	Radix-wrk: what's wrong with the G1?	06:15
@preaction	in 3 years i suspect android will be top dog	06:15
+perlDreamer	you think it will appeal to the mass market?	06:17
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: there is only a single phone out and it accounts for 3% of online mobile traffic. That seems pretty huge to me.	06:19
@preaction	i think the openness will appeal to users and vendors alike	06:20
@preaction	it's basically a free OS for them to use	06:20
@preaction	(provided their hardware is supported, hence building new phones to take advantage of it)	06:20
+Radix-wrk	perlmonkey2, my only problem with the G1 was the keyboard.. I find those keyboards too dicky.. tiny little buttons on em	06:20
@preaction	it's the ubuntu of phones, only more awesome because of the difference in the platform	06:21
@preaction	android could be a huge win for f/oss	06:21
+perlmonkey2	android 1.5 has some opengl support. How long before 3D games :P	06:21
+Radix-wrk	onscreen keyboards have the disadvantage in that they take up screen realestate.. but they are much better at touch typing on	06:21
+Radix-wrk	windows mobile and iphone os both have opengl support also	06:22
+Radix-wrk	biggest problem with the games on them has been how to interact.. touch screen or keyboard.. especially with every device being different (some having d-pad, some not)	06:22
+perlmonkey2	a visor mount and a bluetooth keyboard and it could be a workable terminal :P	06:22
+Radix-wrk	I have a htc touch diamond phone atm.. will stick with this until android stabilises and more phones come out I think	06:24
+Radix-wrk	love the size of this phone tho.. it's tiny	06:24
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+perlmonkey2	the only thing that would draw me to the iphone is the kindle app.	06:25
+Radix-wrk	Ahh.. you read ebooks on your phone?	06:25
+perlmonkey2	I've never had a phone that could do it.	06:25
+Radix-wrk	that's the #1 application for me on my existing phone - ebook reader	06:25
+perlmonkey2	But my bro-in-law showed me his iphone with the kindle app, and the text was very readable.	06:25
+perlmonkey2	I probably wouldn't kill for it, but I might consider harsh words :P	06:26
+Radix-wrk	I've been reading ebooks on my phone for about 5 years now	06:26
+perlmonkey2	nice	06:26
+Radix-wrk	microsoft reader and tiny ebook reader are both great	06:26
+Radix-wrk	iphone has text/pdf/html ebook readers already tho	06:28
+Radix-wrk	tho a dedicated reader app is a bit better than your typical app for viewing text files (remembers where you are, allows bookmarks, etc)	06:28
+Radix-wrk	it's great to carry a few hundred books around me all the time tho - read on the train on the way to work.. continue reading over lunch.. read while waiting in a queue.. read while on the treadmill at the gym.. etc	06:30
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+perlmonkey2	hmm, how would you read on the treadmill? Going to drip sweat on your $400 handheld?	06:32
+perlDreamer	you park it on the console	06:32
+Radix-wrk	I put it on the treadmill itself on the rail in front of the display - and have a sweat towel for dealing with drips ;)	06:33
+perlmonkey2	heh, makes sense.	06:34
+Radix-wrk	just gotta keep pressing the next page key regularly that's all	06:34
+Radix-wrk	I don't usually run on the treadmill tho.. just a fast paced walk on an incline.. running would be too hard	06:34
+perlmonkey2	Radix-wrk: heh, I hear that brother. Once I realized how hard it was on an incline, I decided to never run again, barring velociraptors or going to see the visiting Swedish bikini team.	06:40
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10745 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Ship.t: Update this test to work with the new USPS driver.	06:42
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10746 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku.t:	06:42
CIA-23	WebGUI: Fix the logic in t/Asset/Sku.t. Add tests to make sure that the	06:42
CIA-23	WebGUI: shipsSeparately method is tested.	06:42
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10747 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t:	06:42
CIA-23	WebGUI: Update test to make getListings work. It used the defaultSort value, which was	06:42
CIA-23	WebGUI: set to an invalid column.	06:42
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+perlDreamer	elnino!	06:45
elnino	hi. you saw me quick!	06:45
elnino	perlDreamer, before I go promising people stuff.. the SMS.. is that in webgui yet? I think we talked about this a while ago.	06:46
+perlDreamer	should be in there by end of tomorrow	06:46
+perlDreamer	so, in 7.7.7	06:46
elnino	ah beta	06:46
elnino	ok.	06:46
+perlDreamer	well, an enterprising programmer should be able to backport it if necessary	06:46
elnino	and 7.7 is released when? this summer?	06:46
elnino	=)	06:47
* perlDreamer is not sure when it goes stable		06:47
@tavisto	perldreamer, which should we apply for... integrator or provider?	06:47
+perlDreamer	provider	06:47
+perlDreamer	elnino, we should check the roadmap to see if it's on there	06:49
elnino	not mentioned on http://www.webgui.org/webgui/roadmap	06:50
+perlDreamer	nope	06:50
+perlDreamer	maybe preaction will say something about it...	06:50
@preaction	about what?	06:51
+perlDreamer	when does 7.7 go stable?	06:51
elnino	sms	06:51
elnino	and that	06:51
elnino	=)	06:51
@preaction	right before the WUC	06:51
elnino	ok.	06:51
elnino	thanks.	06:51
elnino	and ... sms doesn't cost US (the sender) anything right? she wants a work flow that sends text messages on a particular frequency	06:51
+perlDreamer	I think it depends on the provider	06:52
elnino	...so I just write a workflow for a subscription. right	06:52
elnino	oh.	06:52
+perlDreamer	most providers get you coming and going	06:52
@preaction	why aren't we just using an SMS-email gateway?	06:52
elnino	thats what I thought (email gateway)	06:52
elnino	cell to cell costs money. but email to cell?	06:53
+perlDreamer	that would only cost the receiver?	06:53
@preaction	right	06:53
elnino	cool. thanks for confirming.	06:53
@preaction	i'm not confirming anything, i didn't write it	06:53
elnino	confirming the email gateway thing/and only costing the receiver.	06:54
elnino	whether webgui works is another store. =)	06:54
elnino	s/store/story	06:54
@preaction	there are SMS-email gateways and they only cost the reciever, dunno if we'll use them	06:54
elnino	so Ihave to sign up for an sms email gateway.	06:54
elnino	I vaguely remember this converstaion.	06:54
elnino	sorry if it's repeat.	06:55
@preaction	no, providers each have their own sms-email gateway	06:55
@preaction	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateways#Carrier-Provided_E-Mail_or_Web_to_SMS_Gateways	06:55
elnino	ok. backup. my customer wants people to sign up for a subscription of some sort, that will periodically send them (the customer) a text message. (think weather report for your area)	06:56
elnino	I imagine that the customer wil provide their own email gateway to their cell phone	06:56
elnino	and I just write a workflow to send the text message to the customer's cell.	06:57
@preaction	they could, sure	06:57
@preaction	you'd be sending an e-mail though	06:57
@preaction	the gateway would make it into an SMS message and send it to the user	06:57
elnino	right. like #####@tmobile.com - which the customer will have in their profile somewhere I imagine.	06:57
@preaction	alternatively, you can have them type in their mobile phone number, and give their carrier, and you can try to figure out what their SMS gateway e-mail address is	06:58
@preaction	having them provide the e-mail address is safer though	06:58
@tavisto	yeah those are usually in a standardized format	06:58
+perlDreamer	so there's no general gateway, that would map any cell phone number to the provider?	06:59
elnino	correct	06:59
elnino	one for tmoble, one for verizon, http://www.mutube.com/projects/open-email-to-sms/gateway-list/	07:00
+perlDreamer	hm	07:02
elnino	should webgui be listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateways#Carrier-Provided_E-Mail_or_Web_to_SMS_Gateways under "SMS Gateway Software"?	07:02
elnino	whatcha thinkin?	07:02
@preaction	no, it's not itself an SMS gateway	07:03
* perlDreamer is thinking that the SMS system that I am thinking of is more along the lines of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateway#API_based_3rd_Party_Bulk_SMS_Gateways		07:03
@preaction	a gateway implies that it transforms a submitted message into an SMS message and sends it out over the phone network	07:04
@preaction	so, like, using a modem	07:06
elnino	I guess, using that definition, the modem is the actuall cell phone. no?	07:09
elnino	or the cell phone provider themselves.	07:10
@preaction	the modem is the phone, the gateway takes a request and transfers it to the phone	07:17
elnino	k.	07:18
* elnino goes to bed to think more.		07:20
ekennedy	Is there anyone on-line that can help with an SVN password reset?	07:25
+perlDreamer	ekennedy: that would be Haarg, preaction or rizen	07:26
* perlDreamer would recommend coming back tomorrow morning at 9:00pm CDT for RFE day.		07:27
+perlDreamer	there will be a whole lot of hacking going on	07:27
ekennedy	The day job will be in the way. I've got an RFE to commit and wanted to try to get it before a bunch of other changes are submitted assuming that the RFE day is productive.	07:28
+perlDreamer	ekennedy, can you send me a SVN diff? I'll commit it for you.	07:29
+perlDreamer	but we should get your SVN password cleared up anyway	07:29
ekennedy	perlDreamer - I'll see if I can't find a newer password somewhere on my system and if I don't I send a note to JT to get a new one. If he sees it in the morning maybe I can get it in before taking off. Thanks for your help!	07:31
+perlDreamer	you bet, ekennedy	07:31
@preaction	i'd help, but i'm afraid i don't know who you are	07:35
+perlDreamer	preaction, I'll vouch for ekennedy	07:38
+perlDreamer	same IRC nick as username on the site, see the RFE about reply filter	07:39
+perlDreamer	time for this old man to go to bed.	07:40
+perlDreamer	happy hacking, all	07:40
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ekennedy	preaction: I was just drafting a message to JT. Can I e-mail you the original message I had from JT giving me svn access as some kind of proof? Or would you rather than I just send a note to JT? I get it if that is your preference. Thanks.	07:49
@preaction	ekennedy: perlDreamer vouches for you. what you want your new password to be?	07:54
@preaction	ekennedy: email it to doug@plainblack.com, that way i have an audit trail to CMA	07:54
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CIA-23	WebGUI: Added Survey feedback template	12:16
CIA-23	WebGUI: Added survey feedback template and method for returning the templated feedback for a given response	12:16
CIA-23	WebGUI: Used this to clean up the default survey template, and updated the i18n and help	12:16
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carogray	can anyone answer questions about website statistics - awstats in particular and being hosted on Plain Black servers?	16:17
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CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10752 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.22-7.6.23.pl t/Asset/Asset.t): test and upgrade cleanups	17:33
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+perlDreamer	great change, MrHairgrease!	17:52
+MrHairgrease	huh	17:53
+MrHairgrease	what change	17:53
+MrHairgrease	did I change?	17:53
+perlDreamer	refactoring out those template variables	17:53
+MrHairgrease	oh yeah	17:53
+perlDreamer	so they aren't copy/pasted	17:53
+MrHairgrease	they were _almost_ copy/pasted =)	17:53
+MrHairgrease	they differed both one line or so	17:54
+MrHairgrease	but both could use each others missing line	17:54
+MrHairgrease	=)	17:54
+MrHairgrease	I was about to add a tmpl_var to the skus called pricePlusTax	17:55
+MrHairgrease	which would contain the getPrice plus the dafult tax that is applied to it	17:55
+MrHairgrease	default tax being the tax that would be applied when no shipping address is given	17:56
+MrHairgrease	I though it would be easy, but there's no centralized tmpl_var generation thingy in all skus	17:56
+perlDreamer	no, there's not :(	17:56
+MrHairgrease	so I prolly have to add it everywhere	17:56
+MrHairgrease	which sucks	17:56
+MrHairgrease	I did add a getPriceWithTax sub to WG::A::Sku in my working tree already	17:57
+MrHairgrease	but I'm wondering if there would be a better way	17:57
+MrHairgrease	any ideas?	17:58
+perlDreamer	MrHairgrease, this is what I'd do.	18:01
+perlDreamer	I'd start making such a subroutine	18:01
+perlDreamer	and make sure that all the child classes call it	18:01
+perlDreamer	that way it only has to be done once	18:01
+perlDreamer	and we can begin moving common stuff back up into Sku->getTemplateVariables as needed/when time permits	18:02
* perlDreamer has to run to a meeting		18:02
+MrHairgrease	yeah, that was what I was planning on	18:02
+MrHairgrease	ok	18:02
+MrHairgrease	thanks	18:02
+perlDreamer	trying to get some school loans for Kathy	18:02
+MrHairgrease	suck em dry pd	18:02
+perlDreamer	the EU way of higher education is much less expensive, but I hear they tax y'all to death	18:02
+perlDreamer	l8r	18:02
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@tavisto	perldreamer	18:23
@tavisto	I got back the USPS provider account info	18:23
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+perlmonkey2	accounts	19:50
+perlDreamer	tavisto, how does it sound?	19:53
+perlDreamer	onerous?	19:55
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@tavisto	well doesn't mean much to me but I passed it on to Graham and JT so that they can play with it	20:06
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I need to commit a template that is going to end up in a weird place because of the import/parent problem.	20:18
+perlDreamer	would it be safer to export the whole subfolder?	20:18
@Haarg	hrm	20:19
@Haarg	we should probably just fix the root problem	20:19
@Haarg	for now just do the single template	20:19
+perlDreamer	Okay. If i can come back around and look at the import/parent issue, I'll let you know.	20:20
+perlDreamer	as long as I get it fixed by 7.7.7 release time, it won't matter	20:20
+perlDreamer	er, 7.7.6 rather	20:20
zmk	is there an intended way to make the default view of a gallery the thumbnail view? Can't figure out how to do it except by manually linking to ?func=thumbnails ..	20:27
@preaction	zmk: not presently, no. but there's an RFE out there for it I believe	20:28
+perlDreamer	RFE++	20:29
+perlDreamer	(meaning I just committed one)	20:29
+perlDreamer	anybody seen RFESlasherMcGurk today?	20:29
@Haarg	yes, over there ->	20:31
zmk	preaction: thanks!	20:31
@Haarg	bunch of crap came up today though	20:31
+perlDreamer	I'll be committing 4 RFEs today	20:31
+perlDreamer	if all goes well ;)	20:31
@preaction	bunch of crap my ass, this week has been a hellstorm	20:32
+perlDreamer	it's been pretty constant the last month	20:32
@preaction	nah, yesterday JT's world exploded, of course he was off-world at the time (as usual for these things to happen), so there were some fun things	20:33
@preaction	one day the world will fear him enough to not explode when he stops looking, but until that day...	20:33
+perlDreamer	hopefully he was heading to a small blue/green world where the rays of the sun will evoke his latent alien powers	20:34
@preaction	well, that's what Graham and I are for :p	20:34
+perlDreamer	indeed	20:34
+perlDreamer	have you pointed out to him that bad things happen when he goes away?	20:34
+perlDreamer	hoster fires	20:34
+perlDreamer	exploding planets	20:34
+perlDreamer	might be better just to stay at home	20:35
+perlDreamer	that happens to my boss	20:35
+perlDreamer	when he goes to Florida there's some major terrorist issue that comes up and disrupts airline travel	20:35
+perlDreamer	ex-boss, I should say	20:37
CIA-23	WebGUI: sno * r10753 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CleanLoginHistory.pm:	20:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: Add retain last login yesNo option. If configured to retain, workflow will determine if	20:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: the last login would be removed from the login history and will skip deleting that entry.	20:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10754 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs):	20:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: RFE for making an user's inbox filterable by the person who sent it.	20:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: Includes template changes, i18n, help and tests.	20:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10755 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Setting.pm t/Session/Setting.t):	20:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: Add a has method to Session/Setting, so that it's easy to check if a setting	20:41
@preaction	oh lord. i'm checking out the svn repo with git-svn. and it's at r50. of 10754...	20:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: already exists. Very handy for upgrade scripts.	20:41
@preaction	r500 of 10756... this might take a while...	20:46
+perlDreamer	hm 10:52 - 10:47/(500-50) ~ 5 minutes for 450 commits	20:50
+perlDreamer	roughly 25X more commits to go	20:51
+perlDreamer	so 135 minutes	20:51
+perlDreamer	that's enough time to meet a friend for 5 mile run, drive back home, shower and eat lunch	20:57
+perlDreamer	RFE ++	20:59
+perlmonkey2	preaction: you are a brave soul.	21:00
@preaction	i need it. i can't handle keeping all these changes in one SVN repo in limbo like i do	21:01
@preaction	i end up committing half of them erroneously, or having to make absolutely sure, or not being able to work on two features in one file...	21:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: sno * r10756 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Workflow_Activity_CleanLoginHistory.pm: Option messages for Admin panel.	21:08
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10757 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add an Inbox setting to send the user a copy of messages that they send.	21:08
@preaction	and if people keep adding revisions, my git-svn clone will NEVER FINISH	21:09
+perlDreamer	sorry :/	21:09
+perlDreamer	the good news is that they're small, and it's pulling revs faster than we can make them	21:09
+perlDreamer	until RFESlasherMcGurk shows up	21:09
@preaction	er... well after 2200 it decided to do some compressing thing.	21:11
+perlDreamer	going faster?	21:17
@preaction	2800 now, i suspect it' will be usable by tonight	21:19
+perlDreamer	it'll be faster once we're all in git	21:22
+perlDreamer	RFE ++	21:24
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@Haarg	preaction, i could give you my repo	21:27
@Haarg	when i built it, i downloaded a copy of the full repo off the server to make it go at a reasonable speed	21:29
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10758 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileCategory.pm: Remove some whitespace.	21:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10759 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: Document the store method in POD for Account.	21:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10760 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Only use 1 i18n object.	21:41
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10761 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Add templated inbox notifications.	21:41
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perlDreamer1	am I back?	21:47
perlDreamer1	phew	21:47
* perlDreamer1 goes running		21:48
perlDreamer1	be back before preaction's git-svn download finishes	21:48
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@Haarg	also, it will take much longer than you think to build a webgui git repo if you include the branches.	22:00
@Haarg	there is one branch that was made by mistake that is a copy of svn root	22:00
@Haarg	so it rebuilds the whole history again	22:01
CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10762 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): - Fixed a search tickets problem in the EMS badge builder template.	22:06
@Haarg	preaction, i'm uploading my git repo to dusk. eta 87 minutes. goes back to webgui 0.9.	22:12
@preaction	i just checked out https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI, so it should be just waht i need	22:14
@preaction	i'm already up to 6300	22:14
@Haarg	ah	22:14
@Haarg	yeah, that goes a lot faster	22:14
@preaction	and your git repo in dusk won't commit back to svn will it? or could you add an auto-hook that would git-svn dcommit	22:15
@preaction	i'm pulling a master and i'll make local branches for all my changes, then push back to master and then dcommit	22:15
@Haarg	what i'm uploading is just a tarball of what i'm using basically	22:15
@Haarg	so yes it will commit back to svn	22:15
@preaction	ohh, i get it	22:17
@Haarg	it's basically just a git svn checkout that's been massaged a bit to have more data and so i can rebuild it faster	22:19
@tavisto	preaction, I need your l33t gallery sk1llz	22:22
@tavisto	er kn0wl3dge	22:22
@preaction	tavisto: wat j00 n33d	22:22
@tavisto	hehe	22:22
@tavisto	I have been tasked with grouping the webgui sightings into categories that match our solutions section	22:22
@tavisto	therefore, business, gov, non-prof, education	22:23
@preaction	individual galleries?	22:23
@tavisto	yessir, so I'm curious if I can just go in and manage the current monster gallery for sightings and cut/paste the albums	22:23
@tavisto	I don't think this is a problem but I wasn't sure since I've never done anything like this before	22:23
@preaction	yes, cut/paste should work fine	22:33
@tavisto	that is great news	22:33
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CIA-23	WebGUI: jt * r10763 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSTicket.pm):	22:54
CIA-23	WebGUI: - Fixed a problem in the EMS calculating prices on tickets with a badge that	22:54
CIA-23	WebGUI: has an existing ribbon.	22:54
@preaction	IT'S DONE! YAY!	23:06
@preaction	only 2 hours, not bad	23:06
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CIA-23	WebGUI: joeri * r10764 /WebGUI/ (11 files in 10 dirs): add PayPal paydriver	23:20
carogray	webstatistics question	23:21
carogray	?	23:21
carogray	hosted on plainblack when we look at webstatistics for hosts - we are assuming that the hosts are the the hosts of our visitors? or the ip addresses of people looking at our website	23:22
carogray	Plain Black is "looking" at our pages more than anyone else - way more than anyone else?	23:22
carogray	doesn't this then skew all of the results of our statistics like how many pages are looked at?	23:23
dapperedodo	I think that will be spectre who is looking	23:23
carogray	ok - but it isn't people who are using our information right?	23:23
dapperedodo	Well, you never know that for sure if you put things on the internet	23:24
@preaction	carogray: that's probably spectre, yes. what IP address specifically?	23:26
@preaction	or what hostname?	23:26
@preaction	we can make it so those don't show up anymore, if you post to the support board and ask	23:26
carogray	ugh! have to go! 15 minutes ago! will you guys still be aorund in a couple of hours or tomorrow?	23:27
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@preaction	i really need to stop giving PB help here...	23:34
@Haarg	preaction, if you want a more complete git repo, it's on dusk in my home dir	23:40
@preaction	okay, thanks. i might replace my SVN.master with it	23:41
ckotil	so i just lost some perl modules which broke webgui after a restart of httpd. i rerean testEnvironment, and it downloaded what i had lost. so its working again	23:45
ckotil	so far i cant figure out why/how i lost the perl modules.	23:45
@preaction	wrong environment?	23:45
@preaction	new WRE?	23:45
ckotil	wrong env maybe. but i called the apache restart script via sudo like i always do	23:46
ckotil	its a source install	23:46
@preaction	perhaps someone else did it and didn't know they were doing wrong? perhaps the version numbers we needed got bumped up?	23:48
CIA-23	WebGUI: sno * r10765 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/AssetManager.pm Search.pm):	23:48
CIA-23	WebGUI: Admin Panel asset search extension: allow searching by assetId with the inclusion of a helper keyword:	23:48
CIA-23	WebGUI: assetid: <an_asset_id>	23:48
CIA-23	WebGUI: assetId search is performed using a logical OR so multiple helper:key pairs can be applied	23:48
CIA-23	WebGUI: and normal keywords can also be used in the same query	23:48
ckotil	impossible to say. i just hope i stumble accross something that explains what just happened.	23:48
ckotil	my heart always drops when i see service unavailable.	23:49
ckotil	saw this in apache logs. Can't locate object method "open" via package "WebGUI::Session" at /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/URL/Content.pm line 54.\n	23:49
ckotil	saw nothing in webgui log.	23:49
@preaction	missing modules will do that	23:49
ckotil	ya	23:50
ckotil	so that tipped me off to rerun the testEnv script	23:50
ckotil	MIME::Tools was one missing package, and i forget the others.	23:50
@Haarg	i think i'm going to add and use Scope::Guard as a way to deal with session's tendancy to leak	23:51
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ckotil	modules installed via testEnv dont update the history file for cpan	23:52
ckotil	or maybe im lookin int he wrong place	23:52
@preaction	ckotil: that's weird. it uses CPAN.pm to do it	23:52
ckotil	ah, at least i can see the build files in .cpan/build. File::Temp, MIME::Tools, File::Path were reinstalled	23:55
@preaction	File::Path is a standard module, same as File::Temp	23:56
@preaction	so whatever happened, it's pretty weird	23:56
@preaction	wooo! go joeri! paypal driver!	23:57
dapperedodo	no that would be woo go Paul Wrightson, he created it	23:57
@preaction	oh, then WOOOOO!	23:58
@preaction	yay for new committers!	23:58
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@preaction	so how could i justify this patch i made to allow Redirect to show up in Page Layout with a template?	00:00
@preaction	elnino asked for the feature, didn't make an RFE, but i did it anyway because i was bored one night	00:01
@Haarg	preaction, if you do use my git repo, you'll note it maps svn users to real names. if new names show up you'll have to add them to the authors file it uses. alternatively, you could just remove that from the config file.	00:01
@preaction	and now i get this strange sense of deja vu like she asked for this before and was rejected... like i've argued for it before...	00:01
@preaction	Haarg: it doesn't happen automatically?	00:02
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@Haarg	it will refuse to continue updating until you add an entry to the authors file	00:02
@preaction	ah, nice	00:02
perlDreamer1	Haarg, you think Session is leaking?	00:04
@Haarg	not currently	00:04
@Haarg	but it's easy to write code that does leak it	00:04
@Haarg	and depending on the design of the code, fixing the leaks can be painful	00:04
@Haarg	export code specifically	00:05
perlDreamer1	too true :/	00:05
@Haarg	would be much friendlier to be able to just throw an error or return	00:05
@Haarg	instead of having to close the session before doing that	00:05
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perlDreamer1	ugh	00:27
perlDreamer1	merging code from old versions of wG into HEAD is hard!	00:27
@preaction	yes, yessir it is	00:30
@preaction	easier to merge back to older versions imho	00:30
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@preaction	so i made a Form::SelectAsset control, but i don't know if it works :(	00:30
perlDreamer1	you _do_ know what I'm going to say to that, right?	00:31
@preaction	OMG NO, WUT	00:31
perlDreamer1	How about writing a test? :)	00:31
@preaction	OMGYES	00:31
perlDreamer1	tests are easy, friendly, and have two major benefits	00:31
perlDreamer1	1) they make sure that the codes works today and will work tomorrow	00:32
@preaction	but tomorrow or something. i've got real work to do and i'm sitting here cleaning out my SVN repo of all the bits of code i've written and told nobody about	00:32
perlDreamer1	2) They get annoying, insistent, berating code maintainers off yer back	00:32
perlDreamer1	Of course, if Haarg weren't so nice all the time, I wouldn't have to be annoying, insistent, berating, impatient and voluble all the time, either.	00:33
@preaction	sweet. now i have git clones for each of my in-progress features (only 4, not counting the other full SVN clones and my Doug's Experimental branch)	00:34
@preaction	oh, wait, 5	00:34
@Haarg	what do you mean by git clones?	00:34
@preaction	git clone WebGUI_SVN.master <some name>	00:35
@Haarg	ah	00:35
@preaction	then i can git push WebGUI_SVN.master, and then git-svn dcommit in my .master	00:35
CIA-23	WebGUI: dwrandall * r10766 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Content Delivery Network (CDN) - optional, for either uploads only or both uploads & extras (rfe 9134)	00:35
@preaction	wait, who?	00:36
@Haarg	not sure how you installed git, but the source archive includes a script in contribs that will create symlinked working directories	00:36
@Haarg	then you could dcommit from any of the directories	00:36
perlDreamer1	yeah, who?	00:37
@preaction	Haarg: yeah, but there was a huge disclaimer about "HYRE BE DRAGYNS" that i didn't want to deal with	00:38
@Haarg	ah	00:38
@Haarg	it's worked mostly fine for me	00:38
@preaction	i didn't understand, something about deleting branches and corrupting the clone repo	00:38
@Haarg	are you sure you mean the same thing?	00:38
@preaction	most likely it's someone being too thorough on the manpage, but a two-step commit is fine for me	00:38
@Haarg	there are some options you can give to the clone command to do some odd things	00:39
@preaction	man git-clone, the --shared option	00:39
@Haarg	the script i'm using is different	00:39
@Haarg	it just symlinks all the relevant files/dirs	00:39
perlDreamer1	it's not bad code	00:40
perlDreamer1	there's tests	00:40
perlDreamer1	POD	00:40
@preaction	but wouldn't symlinks cause me to edit both the clone and the source repo?	00:40
perlDreamer1	code formatting is strange. Random indents and cuddled elses	00:40
@Haarg	depends on what you mean	00:40
@Haarg	as long as they are working on different branches, it doesn't matter	00:41
@Haarg	the repo as a whole would be shared, but the data is all still kept separate	00:41
@preaction	oh, ohhhh, OHHHHH. i didn't have to do this, i could have just done "git branch"	00:41
@Haarg	for most things, yeah	00:41
@preaction	i'm still thinking like SVN, where branching is a stupid and dangerous thing	00:42
@Haarg	although sometimes it's nice to have separate working directories for things	00:42
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perlDreamer1	only thing that's bad is that he didn't put a notice in the changelog	00:43
perlDreamer1	but he wrote 38 tests to validate his new CDN storage code	00:43
perlDreamer1	which is cool!	00:43
@preaction	indeed	00:44
perlDreamer1	each new method added to Session/Url and Session/Id got a test	00:44
@preaction	it'd be nice to see some examples of how to use it with S3 or whatever other CDN are out there	00:45
@preaction	otherwise i like it, it adds some wonderful features in a nice way into a very old part of WebGUI	00:46
perlDreamer1	someone needs to let him know about the changelog and general coding standards	00:46
@preaction	i can ask who dunnit so we can mention it	00:47
perlDreamer1	u da man, dawg	00:47
@Haarg	perlDreamer1, are there any particular rough spots you noticed when working on exporting in story manager?	00:48
perlDreamer1	nope	00:48
perlDreamer1	worked fine	00:48
@Haarg	looks like i'm going to end up refactoring some parts of the export code	00:48
perlDreamer1	AssetExport code, or Story* export code?	00:49
@Haarg	AssetExport	00:49
perlDreamer1	that would be very good	00:49
@Haarg	it won't be all that different, but at least cleaned up in some ways	00:49
perlDreamer1	is t/Mail/Send.t working for you, Haarg?	00:50
@Haarg	7.6 or 7.7?	00:50
perlDreamer1	7.7	00:51
perlDreamer1	I'm neck deep in merging RFE code	00:51
perlDreamer1	that test was acting funny last night	00:51
@Haarg	works for me	00:51
@Haarg	although i have seen it act odd from time to time	00:51
perlDreamer1	random pairs of tests would fail	00:51
@preaction	the only suitable course is for me to commit ritual seppuku to absolve myself of the sin of t/Mail/Send.t	00:59
@Haarg	heh	01:00
perlDreamer1	preaction, it's a great test	01:00
perlDreamer1	there are things that we couldn't test without it	01:00
@preaction	TELL ME LIES TELL ME SWEET LITTLE LIES	01:00
perlDreamer1	instead of sepuku, you must find a way to refactor it to make it more testable	01:00
@preaction	anyway, real work now!	01:00
perlDreamer1	I have read the PayPal code	01:00
perlDreamer1	and it's not going to pass the POD tests	01:01
perlDreamer1	Haarg, I'm going to start running regressions now	01:01
perlDreamer1	maybe we'll get done by Friday	01:01
@Haarg	heh	01:01
@Haarg	thanks	01:01
@Haarg	i still have a number of things to commit	01:01
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10767 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Add missing changelog entry for rfe #9134	01:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: dagitz * r10768 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/sharefolder.gif: Addes sharefolder.gif	01:07
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CIA-23	WebGUI: dagitz * r10771 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/storytopic.gif: added storytopic.gif	01:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: dagitz * r10772 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/small/storytopic.gif: added small storytopic.gif	01:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: dagitz * r10773 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/small/storyarchive.gif: added small storyarchive.gif	01:07
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CIA-23	WebGUI: dagitz * r10775 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/small/sharefolder.gif: added small sharefolder.gif	01:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10776 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Enable WebGUI sites to send SMS messages as inbox notifications.	01:07
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@tavisto	I WEAR MY SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT	01:12
@tavisto	Tavisto snaps out of 80's karaoke night ... preaction, did you solve the case?	01:12
@Haarg	perlDreamer1, preaction, http://gist.github.com/111343 if you care to look	01:13
@Haarg	still incomplete	01:13
@preaction	The Case of the Missing Millionaire? well, i recovered 500,000, and i'll return the 300,000 to the authorities	01:13
@tavisto	um no.. Nancy Drew... I'm talking about your staff email	01:14
@preaction	no	01:15
@tavisto	what is the "new hotness" feature you're talking about	01:15
perlDreamer1	Haarg, doesn't it still need to output messages back to the user, in addition to the throw?	01:15
@preaction	i had heard it was someone from Donorware	01:15
@Haarg	that's handled by the method that calls it	01:15
perlDreamer1	cool	01:15
@tavisto	Colin that's very cool about the SMS messages	01:15
@preaction	tavisto: the Content Delivery Network thing? allows you to use Amazon S3 or some other CDN to speed up requests	01:16
@preaction	i forget what that other big CDN is	01:16
@preaction	inktomi?	01:16
@preaction	alexa?	01:16
@tavisto	yeah must be... I had not heard of this...	01:16
perlDreamer1	tavisto: cool features today: CDN handling for wG, SMS messaging, PayPal driver	01:16
perlDreamer1	akamai is a CDN?	01:16
@tavisto	oooh paypal!	01:16
@preaction	akamai, that's the one	01:16
perlDreamer1	isn't all core code supposed to have the copyright sent back to PB?	01:17
@tavisto	someone must have big plans if they're going to use amazon s3 or akamai servers for their content	01:17
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@preaction	it's Donorware, they're big, and they have plans, so they're big plans ;)	01:18
@tavisto	that's awesome... I can only hope that some of their wG clients want to move to that	01:18
@preaction	indeed. especially for world-wide sites it will improve response times (since CDNs usually do geocaching)	01:19
@tavisto	so perldreamer1, I take it we could add a new option to allow password recovery to be an sms message	01:21
@tavisto	I know my bank (Chase) seems to favor that option	01:21
* perlDreamer1 would have to think about that. Right now only inbox notifications are setup with that route		01:21
perlDreamer1	it could be done	01:21
@preaction	that would be nice actually. requires they have the phone instead of an e-mail account one can login to wherever	01:23
@tavisto	yep I'm sure it could be now that you've got some of it in place	01:23
@tavisto	it's a nice option to have.. assuming they already have their phone # in their profile. Otherwise it's a miserable failure	01:23
@preaction	well, we'd only send the pw to sms if they can, otherwise we'd go back to e-mail :p	01:24
@tavisto	I would like a snail mail option too please. ;)	01:24
@preaction	hmm... that might be an idea. an email to snail-mail gateway, like paycheques	01:25
@preaction	they just get printed and sent, almost no user interaction (afaik)	01:25
@tavisto	nooo..	01:25
@preaction	they're special paper and printers, it's like an envelope with carbon-paper inside	01:26
@preaction	use the special printer to print one side, then laser the address on the other	01:26
* preaction gets head out of the clouds		01:27
@preaction	we could add an e-mail to fax gateway though	01:27
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10777 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Wobject/StoryTopic.pm Wobject/StoryArchive.pm Story.pm): Make the Story Manager assets use the new icons.	01:33
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10778 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/PayPal/PayPalStd.pm: Fix POD whitespace problem in the new PayPal driver.	01:33
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10779 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.5-7.7.6.pl: Fix syntax errors in the upgrade script.	01:33
@Haarg	perlDreamer1, what would you think of changing tests to use Scope::Guard instead of an END block	01:33
@Haarg	it would take a while to change all the tests, but the main advantage would be allowing the tests to run through something like Test::Aggregate	01:34
@Haarg	which would speed up running all the tests substantially	01:35
perlDreamer1	Haarg, I'm not familiar with Scope::Guard, how does it make removing the END block work?	01:36
@preaction	it runs some code when the scope ends	01:36
@Haarg	well, it basically just returns an object with a destroy method	01:36
@preaction	i think, that's what i read	01:36
@Haarg	and the destroy method calls an arbitrary sub	01:37
@Haarg	so instead of having an end block, you would have at the top of the test 'my $guard = Scope::Guard->new(sub { cleanup; });'	01:38
@Haarg	Test::Aggregate is kind of hackish, but it runs all the tests in the same perl interpreter	01:39
@Haarg	so you don't have to re-load modules	01:39
@Haarg	that wouldn't work at all with all the cleanup code in the end blocks though, since many of the tests rely on having a clean db	01:39
perlDreamer1	I stuck it in an END block because for many errors, the tests clean themselves up anyway	01:41
perlDreamer1	but it doesn't always work	01:41
@preaction	does Scope::Guard / DESTROY get called in case of a die?	01:43
@Haarg	well, i think using something like Scope::Guard you get similar guarantees that the code will be run compared to and END	01:43
@Haarg	yes	01:43
perlDreamer1	then we only have the problems of updating every single test, seeing how well they work run in aggregate, and all the script support to make it work.	01:44
@Haarg	yeah	01:45
@Haarg	not a small amount of work certainly	01:45
perlDreamer1	updating the tests is not that much work, I've already been doing that for the object clean-up	01:45
@Haarg	i'd say we should use Test::Class instead, but it's hard to know when that will be working again	01:45
perlDreamer1	yeah	01:46
@Haarg	have to go, be back in a little	01:46
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@preaction	good lord what happened to donorware?	01:46
perlDreamer1	huh?	01:46
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@preaction	donor.com is their new site, and it's... incredible	01:46
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@preaction	and it's a WebGUI site	01:47
@tavisto	oooh ooh ooooh!	01:47
@tavisto	oh yeah that's not new	01:47
@tavisto	good site though	01:47
@preaction	okay, i remember their olllld old site	01:48
@preaction	back when i was upgrading them to 6.8	01:48
@tavisto	yeah it was ugh	01:48
@preaction	it was functional, but not so much the pretty	01:48
@preaction	well. it wasn't so much the functional either...	01:48
@preaction	they had three sites they merged into one	01:48
@tavisto	i like the iDasco app they have hehe	01:48
* preaction wrote the "Splitting and Merging WebGUI Sites" presentation from that experience		01:48
@tavisto	sounds like a blast	01:49
@preaction	the experience was nice. the presentation sucked	01:50
@tavisto	anyone have an idea about this?	01:51
@tavisto	I was able to widgetize a webgui calendar by starting the new demo you gave me and using the macro but when I copied the code over to my site it displayed the entire webgui page housing the calendar within the set dimensions rather than just the calendar. Ideas?	01:51
@preaction	style template maybe? or wrong URL?	01:52
@tavisto	isnt the widget function only supposed to bring over the asset?	01:52
@tavisto	hmm... think it could be the page url instead of the actual calendar? :)	01:52
perlDreamer1	widget is broken, it's a known bug	01:53
perlDreamer1	however, try the beta server instead to see if it works differently	01:53
@tavisto	I just looked and it's the correct url	01:54
@tavisto	oh crap	01:54
@tavisto	you just peed on my cheerios perlDreamer	01:54
perlDreamer1	do try the beta server, tavisto	01:54
@tavisto	yep will do.. the widget isn't enabled on the regular demo.plainblack server though	01:54
perlDreamer1	well, let me be blunt	01:55
perlDreamer1	I had a prototype fix for the Widget	01:55
perlDreamer1	it seemed to work for me	01:55
perlDreamer1	but it got accidently committed before I was fully convinced that it worked the way the widget was supposed to	01:55
perlDreamer1	when I left it last, it showed just the content, not a whole page	01:56
perlDreamer1	it would be in 7.7.5 or .6	01:56
perlDreamer1	maybe another dev could look at it in HEAD and let me know how close I got?	01:56
@tavisto	just like on the other demo server, widgets are not enabled	01:58
@tavisto	er the macro is not	01:58
perlDreamer1	preaction: can you take a peek at it?	01:59
@preaction	i can't right now, but perhaps in the future	02:02
@tavisto	perlDreamer1, I don't see a bug report on this. I see one about the templating being broken	02:03
perlDreamer1	it's the same one	02:03
perlDreamer1	same thing	02:03
perlDreamer1	without a template, it's broken	02:03
perlDreamer1	with a template, it's kind of broken	02:03
@tavisto	oh okay..	02:03
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@preaction	hm.. wonder if/when donorware will upgrade to the new Shop. they've got some old Commerce plugins that would need updating	02:06
perlDreamer1	there was a guy in the forum asking if there were plans to reintroduce the multiple variant category into the Shop.	02:09
@preaction	i don't see why really, since it's just another level of complexity that's not really necessary	02:09
perlDreamer1	oh, ask SDuensin	02:09
@preaction	though perhaps an easy UI to add/edit variants that does levels like that	02:10
perlDreamer1	if you have a high number of variants, it helps a lot	02:10
perlDreamer1	he was making one for a jewelry shop, where you can order rings by one of like 30 sizes, in several metals and with different stone options	02:10
perlDreamer1	30XY is a big number to add	02:10
@preaction	ah, true	02:10
@preaction	perhaps easier would be to add a Size to the Ring product when the ring is purchased	02:11
@preaction	okay, maybe not easier	02:11
perlDreamer1	worth thinking about, though	02:14
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10780 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm: Fix a missing help title for the Survey.	02:19
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10781 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: Fix bad JSON in the new CDN section	02:19
@tavisto	perlDreamer, I added extra description and a screenshot to that bug report. In case other people (like me) are out there and aren't understanding the bug	02:26
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10782 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add a basic test for the PayPalStd driver.	03:06
CIA-23	WebGUI: ekennedy * r10783 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Implemented RFE 10253 - Select DataForm HTMLArea Rich Text Editor - Provides ability to specify the Rich Editor to be used for htmlArea fields on a given DataForm Wobject	03:06
CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10784 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.6/root_import_survey_default-feedback.wgpkg: Fixed bad i18n call in Survey feedback template	03:06
@preaction	wow, today was huge RFE day	03:07
perlDreamer1	6-7 big RFEs	03:08
@preaction	i still haven't gotten my RFE in yet	03:09
perlDreamer1	I'll quit bothering you	03:10
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perlDreamer1	hm, the new DataForm code needs i18n	03:13
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@preaction	okay, the Visual mode in vim just became my new best friend	03:16
perlDreamer1	:)	03:16
@preaction	do capital-V, select some lines, then :s/Something/SomeOtherThing/g<Enter> <- MAGIC	03:16
perlDreamer1	yup	03:16
@preaction	no more guessing line numbers and putting in stupid :.,.+20s/.../.../g	03:16
perlDreamer1	v is even better	03:16
@preaction	i like line-wise, i work line-wise more	03:17
perlDreamer1	for s///, I do too	03:17
perlDreamer1	but v is great for inserting the same thing in the same place	03:17
perlDreamer1	or for changing variable names when they are all lined up	03:17
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@preaction	i like . as well, especially with "c"hange	03:18
@preaction	i just forget to use change a lot	03:18
* perlDreamer1 is going to take break before getting back to RFE merging central		03:22
@preaction	humph. now i want a unified web services API for WebGUI	03:23
@preaction	for consistency and code re-use's sake	03:23
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10785 /WebGUI/t/Inbox.t: Clean up users in the new Inbox tests.	03:31
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10786 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_DataForm.pm Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm): i18n the choices for the new DataForm Rich Editor selector.	03:31
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CIA-23	WebGUI: dwrandall * r10787 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): CDN: perltidy on new/changed code	03:53
CIA-23	WebGUI: dwrandall * r10788 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Attributions for rfe #9134	03:53
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+patspam	hmm, crud seems to be creating all entries with sequenceNumber=1, and then promote/demote doesn't work	04:56
@preaction	that's not good	04:56
+patspam	using a sequenceKey (assetId)	04:56
+perlDreamer	almost have all tests cleaned up	04:59
+perlDreamer	with so many commits today, it's hard to tell what I've broken, vs other code.	05:00
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10789 /WebGUI/t/Shop/TaxDriver/EU.t:	05:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Cleanup the sku created for testing.	05:04
CIA-23	WebGUI: Use the new WebGUI::Test->usersToDelete for user cleanup.	05:04
+perlDreamer	sounds like Crud needs more tests	05:07
+patspam	mea culpa	05:10
+patspam	i wasn't passing in the sequenceKey when the empty crud item was created for the "Add" action	05:11
+perlDreamer	you have to do that?	05:12
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10790 /WebGUI/t/Shop/TaxDriver/EU.t: Better cart cleanup, so it also removes the CartItems.	05:20
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10791 /WebGUI/t/ (Inbox Inbox/Message.t): Add a test for Inbox/Message, for status codes.	05:20
+perlDreamer	getting closer to clean	05:21
@preaction	wtf is WebGUI::Session::Env->clientIsSpider?	05:27
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat cooked that up	05:27
+perlDreamer	it's a way of preventing bots	05:28
+perlDreamer	that disobey robots.txt	05:28
+perlDreamer	_I think_	05:28
@preaction	but it works based on useragent, and is thus completely innacurate	05:28
@preaction	what if i have a plugin in firefox called "webcrawler toolbar"?	05:29
@preaction	i'm a spider?	05:29
+perlDreamer	actually, there's a $username eq 'preaction' for that.	05:29
@preaction	omg where?	05:29
+perlDreamer	ack preaction /data/WebGUI/lib	05:29
@preaction	nothing	05:30
@preaction	you lied	05:30
+perlDreamer	who? /me?	05:30