WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-05.log

--- Log opened Fri May 01 00:00:46 2009
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CIA-38WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10600 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Survey sections now have logical section type, which is never shown to the user, only used for silently checking gotos.00:15
CIA-38WebGUI: colin * r10601 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: Backport removal of dead code in the Product Sku.00:15
CIA-38WebGUI: graham * r10602 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.4-7.7.5.pl: fix compile warnings00:15
CIA-38WebGUI: graham * r10603 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.t: fix thingy test for field type being provided provided00:15
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@Haargbad monkey00:20
perlmonkey21what's up?00:35
@Haargbroke a test.  i have a fix already.00:36
perlmonkey21but I ran all the survey tests?00:36
@Haargnot sure why they passed for you00:37
CIA-38WebGUI: translation * r10604 /translations/German/German/Asset_StockData.pm: Update from translation server00:40
CIA-38WebGUI: graham * r10605 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.t: fix survey test00:40
CIA-38WebGUI: translation * r10606 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server00:40
@preactionwoot go German!00:40
perlmonkey21well crap it fails now.  Must have missed that in the scroll.00:41
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey21, how do you run tests?01:01
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: I go to the correct direction the type "perl file.t"01:02
+perlDreamerright at the bottom, it should tell you how many tests failed01:02
+perlDreamerthat way you don't have to scroll01:02
@Haargif you use prove it will be color coded01:02
@Haargprove alone will only report if it passed/failed, prove -v will show all the output but color coded01:03
+perlDreamerGermans at 78.8%01:04
+perlDreamerbut the Dutch is clean down to 94.601:04
perlmonkey21hmm, I like prove01:05
perlmonkey21heh, nice prove -r *.t01:05
@Haargprove -r t01:06
@preactionif you get cpan App::Prove, you'll get the latest prove which has the color coding01:20
@preactionthe one that comes with the WRE and perl 5.8 doesn't have as many fun features01:21
+perlDreamerUsing Crud's built in methods (getAll*), there doesn't appear to be a way to compare columns against one another using the constraints01:21
+perlDreameram I missing something?01:21
@preactiontry "col1 = col2" => [] maybe?01:22
+perlDreamersneaky.  very sneaky01:22
+perlDreamerpreaction, Haarg, what do y'all think of this: http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-coders-and-translators.html01:29
@preactioni think it's a great idea, especially the crowd-sourcing aspect01:30
@preactionour i18n app is a good demonstration of that, and perhaps the code for our translationserver could be used by these guys to collect i18n strings01:31
+perlDreamerI'll drop him a note01:32
+perlDreamerAt the very least, we could get a French translation01:32
+perlDreamerapeiron is on the ironman elightened perl blog aggregator01:35
@Haargrather annoying when test modules have bugs in them01:48
+perlDreamerwhich one is that?01:50
@Haargtrying to add tests to wgdev and Test::Warn can't test warnings like warn "message\n" because the \n prevents the filename/line number from being added01:50
+perlDreamerthat's not Test::Warn's fault01:50
+perlDreamerthat's perl's fault01:50
@Haarghow so?01:51
@Haargthat's expected behavior of perl01:51
@HaargTest::Warn assumes the filename/line number will always be there01:51
+perlDreameroh, now I see01:52
@Haargi guess i can adjust my code to all be print {STDERR} instead01:53
+perlDreamerwhat about just not appending \n to the end of your warnings?01:55
@Haargkind of ugly01:55
@Haargand what module and line it came from isn't relevant when it is a user error01:55
+perlDreamerexcept most of your users are all developers who are on the command line01:56
@Haargthat doesn't make the information any more relevant01:57
@Haargi guess i can use warning_like instead of warning_is02:00
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+perlDreamerlet's try this out02:29
+perlDreamerpatspam patspam patspam02:29
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+perlDreamermmmm, shiny new wgdev02:40
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@Haargi still have to do a lot of work on the intro command.  it's pretty much empty, and isn't referenced anywhere like it needs to be.02:44
CIA-38WebGUI: graham * r10607 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.7.5 release02:46
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+patspampraction: ping02:48
+perlDreamerpreaction: ping, too02:49
+perlDreamerrerouting for patspam@webgui02:49
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CIA-38WebGUI: colin * r10608 /WebGUI/t/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Test clean-up for users and groups in Shop/Vendor and all Macro tests.03:06
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+perlDreamerHaarg, since User, Group and Storage all have delete methods, would it make sense to just have objectsToDelete?03:10
+perlDreamerhm, maybe not03:11
+perlDreamerbecause in storagesToDelete, I set it up to accept objects or GUIDs03:11
+perlDreameroh well03:11
@Haargaside from guids, it could work to just have a single method that detected the object type if needed03:11
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+perlDreamermaybe we could have objectsToDelete, which takes objects03:20
+perlDreamerand guidsToDelete, which takes guids and object types as an array ref03:20
@preactionHA! I just figured out why I hate the admin accordian! In order to move between panes, you need to move your mouse the entire height of the page!03:20
+perlDreamerthat's a bummer, all right03:20
@preactionbut is it better than a fly-out menu?03:21
+perlDreamerwell, what if there were buttons on the top, and workspace down below in a fixed pattern?03:21
+perlDreamersame idea, different spatial setup03:21
@preactionand the active pane is highlighted somehow03:22
+perlDreamersure, indented, colored, blinking03:22
@preactionreserve a max of 1/3 for the pane titles, and 2/3 for the pane content (i'm envisioning a world with more panes, like the quicklinks that dhelsten wants)03:23
+perlDreamerguidsToDelete would get processed first, and just push more objects onto objects to delete03:23
+perlDreamerpreaction, how about instead of fixed buttons, a dropdown?03:24
+perlDreamerthat leaves the most screen real estate in the pane content03:24
@preactionahhhhh, very nice03:24
@preactionand easy to do with YUI Menu03:24
+perlDreamerwhat will the chief say?03:24
@preactioni don't know03:24
@preactioni'm thinking i build it and submit for approval03:25
+perlDreamerwell, if he doesn't like it, blame me since I can't be fired03:25
+perlDreamerif he does like it, take all the credit for it03:25
+patspampreaction: is CSS/JavaScript::Packer better than JavaScript/CSS::Minifier[::XS]?03:27
@preactionpatspam: HTML::Packer does JS and CSS automatically if the JS::Packer and CSS::Packer are installed03:27
@preactionthat's why i picked it03:27
+patspamah ok03:28
+perlDreamerwhat about speed?03:28
@preactionwasn't a factor in my decision. the ::Minifier and ::Packer were the only ones I found acceptable03:28
@preactionalso ::Packer supports de-minifying (for CSS at least)03:28
@preactionand JS looks like, but not HTML03:29
@preactioni want to add buttons to Template and Snippet to run their content through a tidy program someday03:31
@preactioni should add the RFEs for that03:31
@preactionwhen pb.com comes back from the 7.7.5 upgrade03:32
@Haargdatabase has been restoring for 30 minutes :/03:32
@preactionit died that bad?03:33
@Haargupgrade crashed03:33
+perlDreamertoo many assetIds03:33
@Haargactually something with rssfromparent03:33
+perlDreamerwait a sec03:34
+perlDreamerthat should have been dead a long time ago03:34
perlmonkey21wow, please tell me you can turn off html compression.03:35
+perlDreamerin SVN, nothing except the 7.7.2 upgrade script references that03:36
@Haargit's due to some assets that still exist in the database03:36
@preactionperlmonkey21: you can, on a per-template basis. i'm thinking of making the Debug Mode automatically turn off all compression03:37
@Haargoh fun03:37
@Haargthe database is too large to restore or something03:37
+perlDreamerthat's bad03:37
+perlDreamerhow do you recover from that?03:37
@Haargnot sure yet03:38
@preactionHaarg: did you shut down everything except mysql on the box/03:38
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perlmonkey21This is the most incredible thing.  Only my old survey templates will load.  wgd reverting has brought up old templates.  When I edit them, the new ones are there.  But when I actually run the stupid thing, the old templates show up.03:46
perlmonkey21no, this started after I did svn revert03:48
perlmonkey21then wgd revert03:48
@preactionbrowser cache?03:48
perlmonkey21been working for days with the new templates.03:48
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@tavistopreaction, we upgrading pb/wg sites right now?03:52
@Haarga bit more painful that usual03:53
perlmonkey21patspam: I think there is something darker going on here.  Look at the section edit template at the 4th from last line.  That textarea should have a name "text" and id "texteditortarget", but when you go to edit a survey it will have an id of "sectiontext".  Why would we both be seeing old templates?03:53
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@tavistoah okay, just wondering since both are unresponsive03:59
@tavisto*tavis pulls out his rifle and decides if he should aim at haarg or preaction*03:59
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perlmonkey21anyone with latest want to create a survey, try to edit it, see what the id is on the textarea in the form that shows up?  04:09
@preactionone sec04:09
@preactionokay, which "Edit" button do you mean? the asset edit?04:12
perlmonkey21the edit the survey link04:13
@preactionthe id="sectionText"?04:13
@preactionis that good?04:14
perlmonkey21if you look at the template you will see that is texteditortarget or some such04:14
perlmonkey21something has gone *wrong*04:14
perlmonkey21the template is Section Edit04:14
perlmonkey214th from last line04:14
perlmonkey21Default Section Edit04:14
perlmonkey21Radix-wrk: that is hilarious04:15
perlmonkey21preaction: how could the latest template not be showing up?04:16
@tavistowith the new widgets in wG, is it possible for people to use applications from a wG site externally on another website?04:17
@preactiontavisto: they can fill out the form, but the form submits to the wG site04:18
@tavisto(just a regular html website/intranet)04:18
@tavistois it only for dataforms then?04:18
@preactionno, it's for any asset04:18
@preactionyou can see one page of it, but any links or forms will bring the user back to the wG site04:18
@tavistohere is the question I was asked.... if I am understanding this correctly, the answer would be yes. (at least to some degree_04:19
@tavistoI have a question about WebGUI integration with a current HTML/CSS/ColdFusion built intranet. We are currently looking for a project and file management package that will work flawlessly with our current intranet. In regards to WebGui, does this package require one to remove all HTML built pages or can WebGui work side by side with them? We have spent a lot of time building and designing our new intranet and completely replaci04:19
+perlDreamerit can work side by side with them, using passThruUrls and HttpProxy04:19
@preactionwebgui can work side-by-side, and yes even INSIDE of an existing site04:20
@preactionand webgui can be a wrapper around an existing site04:20
@tavistomy response is that they can install the WRE on the same or separate server and then it would be possible for people to widgetize assets or externally link to the pages, or even do an iframe to the content04:20
@preactionreally any way they want to do it they can get it done04:20
@tavistoalright coolio, thanks. It's for accuquote.com so that would be neat to reel them in04:21
@preactionperlmonkey21: i deleted the revision that the id="surveyText" was in, and it STILL shows up04:22
perlmonkey21I've wgd'd reverted it, and there is no revision except the good one.04:22
@preactiontavisto: yeah that'd be great! upsell the training!04:23
@tavistowell we may need to start with a developer call with them.. 04:23
@tavistoa free pre-sales one.. because I don't know what they want really04:23
perlmonkey21preaction: I mean where is it getting the text?  There is only a single assetId for that template, and only a single entry in Templates with that assetId.  How is it magically getting something else.04:24
@tavistothey need to specify what the crap they want to do.. and then you or rizen can give thumbs up down blah blah04:24
@preactioni'd offer myself to you, but you have to go through the proper channels04:24
@preactionMY LIFE FOR YOU tavisto04:24
@preactionperlmonkey21: there has to be a simple explanation for this04:24
@tavistoyeah it's no problemo. I usually have Rizen in on those calls anyway. If he can't make it then you're next in line04:25
@preactionthere is no magic, just technology we don't understand04:25
perlmonkey21an evil dark magic.  the kind that originates in Texas.04:25
@tavistoand I shall call him...... Mini-Riz04:25
perlmonkey21preaction: if there is only a single template in the db with that assetId, where would it be getting this old template from?04:26
@preactionperhaps the ID is being set by some other method?04:26
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perlmonkey21naw, not unless someone has sabotaged the code.04:28
perlmonkey21it doesn't change its templates04:28
perlmonkey21and the default template in code matches the one in the databse.04:28
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perlmonkey21I mean there are only 3 templates in the database with the correct namespace.  1 is the correct, and the 2 others would at least get that element correct.04:30
@Haargit would be nice if they stopped making the sourceforge website worse all the time04:30
perlmonkey21github will make it obsolete04:31
@preactionselect assetId from template where template LIKE "%sectionText%"04:31
@preactionEmpty set (0.02 sec)04:31
@preactionwtf is this noise?04:31
@preactionthe template DOES NOT EXIST04:31
@preactioni even did "ack sectionText lib www" and nothing comes up04:32
@preactionmy browser cache has been cleaned, and is disabled 04:32
@preactioni've cleared the webgui cache04:32
@tavistopreaction, I'm not sure about the training in DC... I just heard back from the contact and they're trying to install wG on solaris04:32
perlmonkey21Not even Darth Vader could pull this off.  Something fowl is afoot.  I blame Donald Duck!04:32
perlmonkey21preaction: yes, I did all that.  I've rm'd the cache in both locations from the CLI, just to make sure.04:33
@preactiontavisto: so that's what all the stuff on the forums is. shouldn't be a problem really04:33
@tavistothey are interested in a support contract but it looks like we aren't really keen on doing that04:33
@tavistonot sure, I'm entirely too busy to check the forums lately. However, they are really interested in using WebGUI.. it's just tough since they want to use that. 04:34
@tavistoAnd they're doing a source install04:34
perlmonkey21preaction: what is exceptionally crazy, is this is happening to everyone.  Not limited to a single instance.04:34
@preactiontavisto: that also shouldn't be a real problem, provided they know what they're doing. someone on-site for a day or three of training could tell them what they're doing ;)04:34
@tavistothat's the problem04:35
@tavistoI don't think the install is going at all.04:35
perlmonkey21crap, i guess I should start putting in traces in the calls for the template04:35
@tavistoand when I asked them if they're willing to switch to another platform.. the answer was.... uh.... don't think so04:35
perlmonkey21frak me04:35
@tavistohowever, the good news is that they are approved to use WebGUI. Sounds like that's quite a bit of work to get to that point04:36
* perlDreamer calls the oklahoma chapter of the Frak Perlmonkey Brotherhood04:36
@tavistomy contact had a friend in the NSA who was like... "webgui... oh yeah we use it and love it"04:36
@tavistoso it helps to have those friends in high level secret security organizations04:36
@preactionafaik there isn't any real problems with Apache 2 and mod_perl2 on a modern solaris04:36
@tavistorizen said that previously we only had 1 client who used solaris... then they switched b/c they couldn't keep mysql stable04:37
@preactionah, so mysql is the problem04:37
@tavistoand since this is going to be a high profile govie site.. we can't really risk it04:38
@tavistoand I can't exactly sell someone a best-effort support contract   :)04:38
+perlDreamerwhat arcane perl incantation is supposed to remove a session object from the database04:39
@preactionyeah, there are a lot of fun notes about Solaris and MySQL04:39
@preactionperlDreamer: $session->delete maybe?04:39
@tavistoi was surprised that there wasn't any solaris install instructions on the wiki.. 04:40
+perlDreamertavisto, Sun is being bought for a reason04:40
+Radix-wrkshould be easy since they're all owned by sun, but never that easy really is it04:40
+perlDreamerand it's not solaris04:40
@preactionyeah, even making solaris open-source is not saving it04:40
+Radix-wrkI have a friend who works for sun on mysql - if you tell me what the problem is specifically I can ask him about it at least and see what he knows.04:41
+perlDreamerhm it says that var->end is supposed to do it04:41
@preactionyeah, that's what the Delete Expired Sessions does04:41
perlmonkey21is the htmlpacker cacheing thsi stuff on disk?04:42
@Haargthe asset with sectionText in it is 1oBRscNIcFOI-pETrCOspA04:42
@preactionperlmonkey21: template and templatePacked in the database04:42
@preactionthere it is04:42
@preactionbut why04:42
@preactionis there some limitation of the "filter" property in the definition?04:43
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@Haargi think html::packer is going to have to go04:44
@Haargthere are too many possible problems with it that aren't obvious04:44
@preactioni've got it: when update() gets called, the filter gets called, but then the templatePacked gets updated04:45
CIA-38WebGUI: graham * r10609 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.5-beta: Release 7.7.5-beta04:45
+perlDreamerneeds tests04:45
* perlDreamer is starting to sound like a broken record04:45
+perlDreamerI don't even listen to myself anymore!04:45
@preactioni was thinking how to test it without using it04:46
@Haargi don't think there's a reasonable way it can ever be enabled for templates04:46
@preactionwhy? they work. the only problem is that the templatePacked is getting overwritten with bad data right now04:46
+perlDreameryou know, just something simple like s/^\s+//; would be good04:46
@Haarghttp://www.plainblack.com/pr <- or that templates are not html04:46
@preactionso set that template to not use the packed version04:47
perlmonkey21I have no idea what's going on.04:47
@Haargafter you see the problem04:47
@preactionwe can update the upgrade to not set the usePacked flag04:47
@Haargand happen to know that it is due to packing04:47
@preactionso packing will still happen, but it would have to be explicitly enabled to avoid problems like that04:48
@preactionyou can fix pb.com by doing "UPDATE template SET usePacked=0" and "delete from cache"04:48
@Haargstill seems too problematic to me04:48
@preactionwith setting usePacked=0, nothing has changed at all04:48
perlmonkey21Haarg: I just looked at that template and there is no sectionText in it.04:48
@preactionperlmonkey21: look at templatePacked, that's where it is04:49
perlmonkey21ah crap04:49
@preactioni'm working on a fix and a test04:49
perlmonkey21that's what you guys were talking about04:49
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm guessing you're up to your eyebrows in bugs.  The SQL queries for bugs and RFEs on the participate page are borked.04:50
@Haargthose were definitely working at some point04:50
+perlDreamersure, just earlier today04:50
@Haargworking now?04:52
+perlDreamerlook at the top 2 RFEs04:54
+perlDreamerthey haven't been touched in months or longer04:54
+perlDreameryet they show up above things that were submitted today04:54
+perlDreamersimilar with bugs04:54
+perlDreamersimilarly with bugs04:54
+perlDreameroh, this is totally evil!04:56
+perlDreamerI guess I'm going to make sessionToDelete next04:57
@Haargi think version tag would be good04:57
@Haargsince it would take care of cleaning up assets as well04:57
+perlDreamerif you make an object that takes a session variable, and delete that session variable, and then try to delete the object, it revivifies the session object!04:58
@Haargi think i ran into that before04:59
+perlDreamerif this is true, then I think we have a problem04:59
+perlDreamerbecause session->var is not the last thing destroyed05:00
+perlDreamerin session->close05:00
@Haargit depends on the object05:01
@Haargit's only going to cause a problem if they try to do work when destroyed/deleted/etc05:01
@Haargerrorhandler doesn't do anything on destroy05:01
+perlDreameryeah, I think I'm just worrying too much about the circular nature of the references05:03
+perlDreamerwell, time to build sessionsToDelete05:03
@Haargneed a break.  been dealing with this upgrade for at least 6 hours today.05:07
+perlDreamertake 50, you've earned it05:09
CIA-38WebGUI: colin * r10610 /WebGUI/t/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 05:22
CIA-38WebGUI: Add method to clean up test sessions. This has to be done05:22
CIA-38WebGUI: after ALL other types of objects have been cleaned up.05:22
CIA-38WebGUI: More test clean-up for users, groups and sessions.05:22
CIA-38WebGUI: colin * r10611 /WebGUI/t/ (6 files in 5 dirs): 05:38
CIA-38WebGUI: Test cleanups.05:38
CIA-38WebGUI: Fix a leaking group in Asset/Post/permission.t. Threads do not clean05:38
CIA-38WebGUI: up their groups when they are purged.05:38
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@preactionis there a standard way to prevent a property from being updated through update()?06:05
CIA-38WebGUI: colin * r10612 /WebGUI/t/Asset/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Another batch of clean-ups for users and groups.06:11
@preactionnm, it has to be during addRevision06:11
+perlDreamerit's hopeless06:25
+perlDreamertrying to get shipping API documentation06:26
+perlDreamerpreaction, thank you for being so conscientious in cleaning up things made in your test.06:28
@preactionyou mean fixing how i broke all of webgui?06:29
+perlDreamerI've been looking at some of your gallery tests, and mech tests06:31
+perlDreamerand you do a good job of cleaning up users, groups, assets and version tags06:32
@preactionahh, yeah06:32
+perlDreamerno, what happened today was almost worthy of a Kuskie-level mess06:32
+perlDreamerclose, but not quite06:32
+perlDreameryou didn't destroy any websites and no one cursed at you06:32
@preactionyeah, i've borked webgui worse than this06:34
@preactionthis was easy to fix even06:34
@preactionthe upgrade problems weren't the fault of this06:34
+perlDreamer37 files later...06:36
+perlDreamerthe User and Group clean-ups are done06:36
+perlDreamernow, to go back and look for Storage06:37
+perlDreamermaybe another night, between struggling with the government, kids, cats and just regular work, I'm beat06:40
CIA-38WebGUI: colin * r10613 /WebGUI/t/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Last batch of User and Group cleanups.06:40
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CIA-38WebGUI: translation * r10616 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server08:22
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+perlDreamerhey, BartJol!17:47
+BartJolthis time I really am here17:48
+BartJolho's life?17:48
+perlDreamerLife is okay17:48
+perlDreamerbeen sick the last week17:48
+BartJolnot good17:48
+BartJolbut better now?17:48
+perlDreamerNo, but it is over17:48
+perlDreamerHow about you?17:49
+perlDreamerPutting big holes into the new house?17:49
+BartJolwell, my house is going ok17:49
+BartJolseen the pictures?17:49
+BartJolI put some on my site wednesday17:49
+perlDreamerno, I'll go look17:49
+BartJolmaybe I should internationalise my site17:49
+BartJolit a big mess right now17:50
+BartJolbut I like the missing walls17:50
+BartJolit looks a lot more roomy now17:50
+perlDreamerwhat's this one: http://www.bartjol.nl/uploads/58/18/581890edd90e252bcd2b487db7d00f73/DSC00491.JPG17:51
+perlDreameris that the main electrical panel?17:52
+BartJolmy old electricity meter17:52
+BartJolbut that one is mostly gone now17:52
+perlDreamerit is good to have friends to help17:55
+BartJolI know17:55
+BartJolwell, and I helped a lot of people in the past, which helps me now, good brings good17:57
+BartJolthere is even a guy that wants to come from Romania especially to help me move17:58
+perlDreamerthat's awesome!17:58
+BartJolbut his movement was a really tough one17:58
+perlDreamerdanger, danger.  chicks with splitting mauls!17:59
+BartJolwe have a group of friends that get insulted when you don't let them help[ moving17:59
+BartJolyeah, that's the girlfriend of my roommate18:00
+BartJolthey were so kind to move 2 walls into a more dispersed pile of rubble, enlarging the enthropy in my house18:02
+perlDreamerwell, even though you've moved your hacking into another realm, it's good to see that you're keeping up18:12
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r10645 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Update from translation server18:13
+BartJolgoing to coomk18:25
+perlDreamerwent to eat breakfast18:27
+perlDreamerHaarg, svn del https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_Story look right to you?18:40
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r10646 /translations/German/German/ (Shop.pm Asset_Template.pm): Update from translation server18:45
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r10647 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server18:45
+perlDreamerBartJol, somebody is doing a huge amount of work translating German18:45
+perlDreamerthey are nearing 79%18:46
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+BartJolperlDreamer: 79? oops18:50
+BartJolgetting skakky18:50
+perlDreamerno, the Germans are doing great18:50
+perlDreamerDutch is only down to about 92.4% or so18:50
+BartJolI know18:50
+perlDreamerbut you have a house to work on, so keep your priorities straight18:51
+BartJolbut I am getting too far behinf18:51
+BartJolI will18:51
+perlDreamermaybe we should make your student perlmonkey2 do some Dutch translating while you're on brake18:52
+BartJolstable is up to 98.118:52
+perlDreamerstable is fine, it's just beta18:53
+perlmonkey2nee ik zal niet18:53
+BartJolyeah and rory and Bob from alpha mega will help18:53
+BartJolwat zal je niet perlmonkey2?18:54
+perlmonkey2Heeft uw hond zoals de banjo?18:54
+BartJolI got that message a lot in the survey...18:54
+BartJolbut a nice outsourcing to the Netherlands will be nice, won't it?18:55
+perlmonkey2In het jaar 2020, disco zal de wereld regeren.18:55
+perlmonkey2but of course18:56
+perlmonkey2If I spoke Dutch.18:56
+BartJolwell, a laptop with connection and bablefish will get you somewhere18:56
+BartJolprobably the hospital18:56
+perlmonkey2yeah, with people wondering why the hover help is asking them if their dogs likes the banjo :P18:57
+BartJollike was translated in the wrong manner btw18:57
+BartJolmore in "it's like that"18:57
+BartJolinstead of "I like perlmonkey2 for his deep voice"18:58
+perlmonkey2Ah, I see the difference.18:58
+perlmonkey2That's what all the tall vikings say, though.18:59
+BartJolnow it's "has your dog in a manner of a banjo"18:59
+perlDreameronly when he's properly tuned18:59
+BartJolhow do protect yourself from vikings perlmonkey2?19:01
+perlmonkey2I sing softly to them.19:01
+perlDreamerin his deep voice19:01
+perlmonkey2I find Britney Spears' songs work well.19:01
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+BartJolhee, it's metroman19:02
+BartJolfood's in the oven, so a have half an hour to bug him!19:03
+perlDreamerHaarg, it looks like previousVersion.sql hasn't been updated, and it may have uncovered a bug in the upgrade process19:03
+perlDreamerI'm only getting config changes for the first upgrade script19:04
+perlDreamerit's because I'm an idiot, and put my wgd switches in the wrong order19:04
+BartJolno, you're not an idiot19:05
+perlDreamerI'm not?19:05
+BartJolprovided you are still not using emacs19:05
+perlDreamerbite your tongue!19:05
+perlDreamerbetter yet, have perlmonkey2's dog bite your tongue19:05
+BartJolI'll wash it with green soap19:05
+perlDreamerthat depends19:06
+perlmonkey2My dog is 18 years old and his teeth are mostly gone.  19:06
+perlDreameris the soap normally green?19:06
+BartJoldoctors forbid me to come to close to banjo-playing dogs19:06
+BartJolwell, normally is subjective19:06
+BartJolbut for soap it is19:07
+perlDreamerone time I found some brown/tan soap19:07
+perlDreamerafter we washed it, it was white again19:07
+BartJolmaybe you should wash more often19:07
* perlDreamer washes twice a day19:08
+perlDreameronce in the morning, and once after a workout19:08
ryuu_roBartJol: was this a call for some translating help?19:08
+perlDreamerbecause Mrs. perlDreamer will not allow me into the living room after a workout without a shower19:08
+BartJolsure, if you want it to be19:08
+BartJolryuu_ro: you do have a hangover I hope19:09
+BartJoloh and my car is fixed19:09
+BartJoleeh, because it was queensday yesterday19:09
ryuu_royeah, but I didn't go to disco herman19:09
+BartJolor did you strike because of the accident19:09
+BartJolme neither19:10
ryuu_roso I feel perfectly fine19:10
ryuu_rono, i was working today. Only not at the office19:10
+BartJolreally starnge that my car doens't make any squeeky noices anymore19:10
+BartJolwhen I shift gear19:10
ryuu_rodid you own a black suzuki swift? ;)19:10
+BartJolno a white opel astra, you know that!19:11
+BartJolalways thought that swift drivers were suspicious19:11
ryuu_rotrue that, but I thought that you were behind the attack of yesterday19:11
ryuu_roit sounded like your kind of thing :)19:11
+BartJolI like the royal family, it gives you an excuse to get toatlly wasted once a year19:12
ryuu_robut then i was still thinking it was a drinking and driving accident 19:12
+BartJolme thinks tavisto is scared of me19:12
ryuu_rowhy, he has unbelievable super powers19:13
ryuu_roaccording to your comic19:13
+BartJolwell, but making people look like brad pitt doesn't scare me19:13
+BartJolI saw him do it once19:13
ryuu_robut what if he want's to make you look like Brad Pitt19:14
ryuu_rothat kinda scares me19:14
+BartJolI'd rather look like Johnny Depp19:14
+perlDreamerI thought you were Johnny Depp?19:15
+BartJolno, I only share his brithday19:15
@preactionJohnny Depp is like 5'6". you don't want to be that short19:15
+BartJolwell, I won't hit my head as often19:15
ryuu_roin pirates or in sweeney todd btw?19:15
@preactionCompared to you, im as tall as Johnny Depp is compared to me19:15
@preactionno, in real life he's 5'6", that's why he only works with short female actresses19:16
+BartJolhis birthday isn't movie depending19:16
@preactioni live in oshkosh, where they shot some scenes for Public Enemies. they had a call for extras, but i'm too tall19:17
ryuu_rono but then I know if you want to be a half dead drunk pirate or a singing and murdering hairdresser19:17
+perlDreamerhe's not half dead, he's "mostly dead"19:17
+BartJolapart from the singing, I like the hardresser better19:17
ryuu_rotrue :)19:18
+BartJolI am not a public enemy, I didn't try to kill the royal family. I did see Public Enemy one time though19:19
+perlDreamerclose enough19:20
+BartJolprolly I will be too tall too then19:20
+BartJolcriminals are trying to put BA's mom out of her apartment, wonder how it will finish19:23
+perlDreamerwho is "BA"?19:23
+BartJolmr T19:23
+BartJolin the A-team19:23
* perlDreamer guesses that BA will pity them19:24
+BartJolhe will, but my food is ready19:25
+BartJolso till later19:25
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+perlmonkey2catching up on that scroll was painful.19:46
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* perlDreamer thinks it's cool that Queen Beatrix rides a bicycle. Sounds very down to earth.20:00
+BartJolwell, she doesn't do that always20:01
+BartJolbut she's cool20:01
+perlDreamerDo they have any idea why that guy tried to run into her bus?20:03
+BartJolit seems he held a grudge against the royal family20:04
+BartJolbut getting more info will be hard, since he died20:05
+perlDreameryeah, crashing your car into a bus can make that happen20:05
+BartJolit wasn't a bus20:05
+BartJolit was a pillar20:05
+BartJolnot less deadly20:06
+perlDreamerpillars are worse20:06
dhelstenyou're sure he didn't have a grudge against pillars?  20:07
+BartJolbut it seems he said something about the royal family20:08
* perlDreamer heads off for gym and lunch, be back much later this afternoon20:21
+perlDreamerfor all you European types, happy house hacking!20:22
@preactionperlDreamer: do you have any "How-tos" on tests?20:31
+BartJolhe's out20:35
CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r10648 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): RFE #9998, mark selected inbox messages as read/unread.20:37
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+BartJolryuu_ro: beer?21:19
@tavistonope, he's doing the opposite of beer... Working out at the gym21:19
ryuu_rounfortanely no, I have to go to my house and put a floor in 21:19
ryuu_rosee you later guys!21:20
+BartJolperlDreamer: is working out21:20
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CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r10649 /WebGUI/docs/previousVersion.sql: updating previousVersion for 7.7.6 dev21:43
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10650 /WebGUI/ (67 files in 11 dirs): fixed: #9897. Fixed problem with highlighting in codearea. Updated EditArea to version
dhelstenpreaction: you there?  I need to upgrade but will need to change my files back.21:47
@preactiondhelsten: do you still have the package i gave you? that should do it iirc21:48
dhelstenyou mean remove the package...21:48
@preactionwait, what did i say? was it adding a package or deleting a revision?21:49
@preactioni think you have to delete the revision21:49
dhelstenthat is more likely.  As I recall the package didn't work.  I just need to jump back to the revision that had the simple <dragger icon> or whatever it read, right?21:50
dhelstenI also made a change in the calendar.pm file.  I assume that will be overwritten with the fixed version so I don't need to do anything, right?21:51
@preactiondhelsten: yes21:57
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10651 /WebGUI/www/extras/editarea/ (21 files in 3 dirs): really fixed brainfuck problem22:07
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10652 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (67 files in 11 dirs): merged 1065022:07
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@tavistowow let's keep it PG Preaction!!22:23
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10653 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/editarea/ (21 files in 3 dirs): merged 1065122:32
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10654 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: updated changelog22:33
CIA-23WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10655 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: YUI editor in the edit panel for the Survey editor now drags with the panel and hides with the panel.22:33
CIA-23WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10656 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: Removed superfluous function wrappers on the yui event subscriptions.22:33
@tavistois it just me or are pb/wg just absolutely crawling right now... argh22:39
@tavistoit's probably just my crappy ISP.. but I feel like I'm stuck in mud22:40
@preactiontavisto: just you. works fine for me22:41
@tavistoalright great. Thanks Verizon22:41
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dhelstenI'm not familiar with IRC can someone tell me what the @ and + in front of the handles means?   Also how does one indicate their status as away, etc?  23:35
@preactiondhelsten: @ = +o = channel operator. + = +v = voiced (can talk when channel is moderated, special users)23:37
@preactionyou can indicate away using /away, but normally you just don't have to23:37
dhelstenI an upcoming events area for my home page using a shortcut to a calendar and overriding with the List View.  At the time I thought that did it because all my events were in the future.  Now I realize that this displays all events, even those in the past.  Any ideas of how I can show only future events?23:40
@preactiona SQLReport?23:41
@preactionooh, you could use a Template Toolkit template to only show an event if it's in the future23:42
@preactionthat might be better23:42
dhelstenI'm not familiar with Template Toolkit23:43
@preactionthere will be a presentation at the WUC23:44
@preactionbut HTML::Template::Expr might be able to handle it too23:44
dhelstenIs TT going to be replacing HTML::Template?23:46
dhelstenOr will WG just support both23:47
@preactioni believe we're moving to TT entirely, but TT supports the HTML::Template dialect23:47
+perlmonkey2TT is an incredible improvement.23:48
@preactionten million percent improvement23:48
dhelstenAnd in TT I could create a statement in my calendar loop such as "if event date > today then ..."23:49
dhelstenThat will be great for non coders like myself who must rely only on the available variables.23:50
@preactionyeah, steve swanson (head of our design dept.) is really excited about it23:52
dhelstenHow difficult would it be to implement a TT template for the calendar list view?  Are there any examples out there I can look at?  When will it be included in the core(or how do I enable it)?23:53
@preactioni think there's a wiki article about it23:54
@preactiondhelsten: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines23:55
dhelstenthanks.  looking at it now23:55
dhelstenwhat is the name of the TT CPAN Bundle?   The article doesn't say23:57
@preactiondhelsten: it's just called "Template"23:57
@preactionhttp://template-toolkit.org/ <- here's the main TT2 site23:57
@preactionyou'll have to look at the Plugins for Date functions23:58
dhelstenI assume I need to install the module bundles as well, yes?23:59
@preactionthe date plugin should be part of the normal TT distribution, but maybe23:59
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dhelstenThanks.  I'm got to get on a conf call but will play around with this later...00:00
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+perlDreamerpreaction, how does TT support H::T dialect?00:27
+perlDreameralso, for testing resources...00:27
+perlDreamerThe Developers Guid00:27
+perlDreamermy testing presentation00:27
+perlDreamersome wiki pages00:27
+perlDreameralso, see my blog for recent developments in testing convenience methods00:28
@preactionperlDreamer: i don't know, i'm just repeating what i were told00:29
+perlDreamerI did some looking on that recently, and it's not exactly true00:30
+perlDreamerthat TT plugin just calls H::T, then passes the content on to the template00:30
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+perlDreamerpreaction: what kind of testing questions do you have?00:38
@preactionnone, i wanted steveo_aa to get some information on how to write tests00:40
@preactioni'll be writing some tests for the collab system, because i need to fix part of it00:40
+perlDreamerDo you guys have the PDF for my testing presentation, because it has lots of links to Perl testing in general00:41
@preactioni think we do. otherwise it not up on webgui.tv yet?00:42
+perlDreamerwell, I figure y'all have access to those videos whether it's on wgtv or not00:42
@preactioner, what year was it?00:43
@preaction08 right?00:43
+perlDreamer07 or 0600:43
@preaction06 here it is00:44
+perlDreamer05 was Help, 06 was testing, 07 was community, 08 was game show and community redo00:44
+perlDreamer09 is Story Manager, and Clinic00:44
@preactionheh, i don't get to do a presentation this year, so i'll be there to heckle everybody!00:45
@preactionbut i especially want to see the Story Manager, i've got a few clients who might be very interested in that00:46
+perlDreamerwant one of mine?00:46
@preactionoh no, i've got other SOOPER SEKRIT projects I get to work on that I'll hopefully have done for the WUC00:46
* perlDreamer needs a USB keyboard and mouse00:47
+perlDreamerThe desk is too high00:47
+perlDreamer(for a laptop)00:47
@preactiongo wireless!00:47
+perlDreamerwe do have one of those...00:47
@preactionit's a business expense!00:47
+perlDreamerthat just makes it less expensive, not free00:48
+perlDreamerpreaction, does the editarea commit also fix the long standing bugs with display and resizing, by chance?00:50
@preactionresizing doesn't have a bug taht i know of, it's just counter-intuitive00:50
@preactionbut display, no it doesn't00:50
@preactionit fixes the blue-bar problem though00:50
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* perlDreamer goes running01:46
+perlDreamerI know, that's two bouts of exercising today, but I didn't go on Tuesday so this makes up for it.01:47
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@preactioni'll do zero bouts of exercising today to make up for it02:29
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CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r10657 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): template attachments (scripts and stylesheets)02:45
@preactiondoes anyone want to help me with a new feature? you'll have to svn up and wgd reset02:53
@preactiontemplates now allow attachments, and i want your opinion02:53
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r10658 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: added a changelog note about template attachments03:17
+perlDreamerwhat kind of attachments?03:23
* perlDreamer is very curiuos03:23
@preactionCSS and JS03:23
@preactionto fix the "double include" problem and also to allow deferred loading of some JS (to improve render times)03:24
@preactionmostly i want an opinion on the UI, i like it, and i want to make sure other people like it too03:24
* perlDreamer will look03:24
+perlDreamerso how does an attachment fix the double include problem?03:25
@preactionthere was no attempt at parsing or whatever, so we're going to have to eventually go in manually and change the Extra HEAD tags into Attachments (if possible)03:25
+perlDreamerdoes it get registered?03:25
@preactionbecause it uses $style->setScript, which doesn't allow duplicate scripts03:25
@preactionand Style->setLink, which also doesn't allow dups03:25
@preactionin a related note, setScript can now add scripts to the body instead of the head, so there's that03:26
+perlDreamerif I ask you if it has tests, will you shoot me?03:26
@preactionno, because i didn't write it ;) so i don't know03:26
@preactionalso, it does03:26
@preactionso three cheers for frodwith there03:27
+perlDreamersub prepare could do with some review03:34
+perlDreamerand WGBP is to do @{ }, not @$03:35
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@preactionprepare? how so? looks okay to me, except that $self->getAttachments is called 3 times (3 DB queries, when we're getting ALL attachments anyway)03:37
@preactionwhy does it take us 20 lines to determine how to sort the Threads in a collab system? my god...03:41
+perlDreamerinside prepare, there's no need to build a variable every time through the loop03:51
+perlDreamerand I don't think a closure needs to be built, when a loop would do03:51
@preactionoh, that, i see03:51
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ZylopfaHello Webguis03:53
+perlDreamernice POD work in Session/Style03:55
+perlDreamersession/style.t tests need to be updated for all the new code03:56
ZylopfaSweet my bazaar thing is still on most downloaded03:57
Zylopfamakes me wanna make more stuff03:57
+perlDreamerwhich bazaar thing is that, Zylopfa?03:59
ZylopfaWorkflow Activity to Create Personal User Areas, When user is created. "04:00
ZylopfaI am realy busy atm making a story site i have into webgui04:00
Zylopfabtw. it was a hilarious php aprils fools, just read it now as i browsed the black blog04:01
+perlDreamerpreaction, index is always 0 when I add thing to the list of attachments04:04
@preactionnot sure if that is expected behavior or not04:04
+perlDreamerand because the way webgui works, I'd call them something else, like links or something, because attachments usually means files04:04
@preactiongood idea04:04
+perlDreamerI see04:06
+perlDreamerin the attachments section, if you change the index it allows you to move them around relative to one another04:06
+perlDreamerbut when you're adding them, any newly added thing gets appended to the end, regardless of the index, and it's given an index of 004:06
+perlDreamerI like how you can easily edit the entries after adding them04:08
+perlDreamerchange names and types04:08
+perlDreameruh oh04:10
+perlDreamersomething really bad happened to the edit screen04:10
@preactionthat's not good04:10
+perlDreamerno, wait, that's the template source04:10
* perlDreamer needs to go, it's dinner time04:12
+perlDreamerlater, all04:12
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ZylopfaHave a good dinner04:13
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CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10659 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added minimal skeletons without all the unnecessary example code06:11
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CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r10660 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Shop.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server00:03
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elninoI need to provide redirects for old URLs that are from a mambo install: /images/stories//uis%20-%20home%20inspection%20price%20schedule.pdf to a webgui url06:24
elninobut webgui seems to want to correct the double slash and %20's. is there a way to make webgui not do that?06:24
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wgGuest43Hi folks02:19
wgGuest43anyone game to take a couple quick questions?02:20
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wgGuest43anyone around?02:27
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+patspamthe EditArea syntax highlighter supports branfuck? that's awesome02:35
@Haargkind of odd.  i'm not sure how much syntax highlighting is going to help you when there are only 8 operations.02:51
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wgGuest43anyone tried out the underground template?04:15
@preactionwgGuest43: i made it, what do you need?04:17
wgGuest43should search be working properly?04:20
wgGuest43for some reason it seems like the theme isn't propagating to a few pages correctly... specifically the 'search' page and the 'view my account' pages04:20
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@preaction the "view my account" page is controlled by the "User Function Style" in the settings04:21
@preactionit's considered rude to private message without asking04:21
@preactionbut the "Search" page, that'd be a bug04:22
wgGuest43dude, I have been on irc since 199304:22
@preactionyes, and since then the social contract has probably changed quite a bit. we get sounds when people private message now, like an IM, so it's more urgent (especially when you're using IRC for business and such)04:23
wgGuest43I suppose it depends on your client04:23
@preactionbut to fix the Search page, Turn Admin On and go to the Search page, edit the Search asset and you'll see Display tab, under the "Style Template" field, choose "Underground [style]"04:23
@preactioni'll add it to the next revision04:24
wgGuest43Its a really sexy theme, I like it04:24
@preactionthank the guy at styleshout.com, i just put it into webgui04:24
wgGuest43this is my first go around with webgui, I def. prefer your theme to the default..04:25
@preactionyeah, Tavis has wanted a way to pull default themes from the bazaar during the site starter wizard, which i think would be great04:25
wgGuest43That seems to work, but for some reason the menu bar at the top is garbled with a bunch of links that shouldn't be there..04:27
@preactionthat depends on where the search asset is located i suspect04:28
@preactionif you Cut the search asset and then Paste it on a Search page under your Home page, that should fix it04:29
@preactioni'll also find a way to fix that for this release04:29
@preactionnow i remember. i wanted to make the Navigation asset have a special "home page" start point to fix this04:31
wgGuest43thanks preaction, the cut/paste fix worked04:50
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dhelstenI know that CS assets can automatically expire.  Is there anyway to get an article to do this?05:51
wgGuest43preaction: I made a little fix to enable search from the top navigation search window after the cut/paste thing, I'll probably make a few more changes... you have this thing in svn somewhere?  I could share these with you...06:00
@preactiondhelsten: not currently, no06:01
@preactionwgGuest43: not really, wgpkg doesn't lend itself well to diff/patch. you could just e-mail it to me doug@plainblack.com06:02
dhelstenpreaction: ok, thanks.06:08
+patspamperlmonkey2: ...06:26
+patspamperlmonkey2: I have a Survey scoring idea06:27
wgGuest43preaction: do you have a fix for enabling the underground theme for the "View My Account" pagee?06:32
wgGuest43nevermind =)06:44
+perlmonkey2patspam: what's the idea?06:50
dhelstenhow do I get avatars to show in templates.  Using <tmpl_var user_profile_avatar_value> just returns the Asset ID.  I assume I need to put this in a macro to get it show up as an image...06:53
+patspamin the general case I think you can treat scoring as an arbitrary number of rules that get evaluated06:53
+perlmonkey2patspam: that makes sense.06:53
+patspameach rule evaluates to something, often just a true/false flag, but also possibly a numeric score06:54
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+perlDreamera wgGuest06:54
* perlDreamer hopes you guys have helped them out06:54
+perlmonkey2my original idea was to leave that up to the report generators.....but jumping logic seems to require some rules to be solidified I guess.06:54
+patspamwhat I'm thinking is..06:54
+patspamwe can easily add a section to the UI for the survey builder to add in an arbitrary number of scoring expressions06:55
+patspamthat (at this stage) just get run at survey completion time06:55
+patspamadding an extra 'score' data object to the response hash06:55
+patspameach score expression can be of the form: score({ <expression>} TAG_NAME)06:56
+patspamand then you can expose all those TAG_NAMEs as template variables on a results page06:56
+patspamfor instance, say you're recreating one of those cheesy magazine-type surveys that tell you what category you fall into06:57
+patspamfor each category, you add a score expression: score { value(var1) > 10} CATEGORY1; score { value(var20) == 3} CATEGORY2, etc..06:59
+perlmonkey2Oh, I get you, and I think it is a really clever idea.06:59
+perlmonkey2I'm just thinking that when this is implemented, it might be a good idea to refactor the section, question, answer paradigm into something more generalized that allows for other, more speialized objects to be added.06:59
+patspamfor example?07:00
+perlmonkey2right now a lot of very similiar code is reimplemented for all three objects.  Maybe refactor that into roles, so adding a new "scoring" object won't require making 15,000 code changes.07:01
+patspamah, I don't think we need to add a new object to achieve this07:01
+perlmonkey2instead of having jumping sections, we have a jump object that can be placed anywhere.07:01
+perlmonkey2I mean "logical" sections.  We have a logical object.07:02
+perlmonkey2can be an answer, question, or section.07:02
+perlmonkey2or placed after any of those.07:02
+patspamyeah that'd be cool. And at the same time I'd love to be able to nest sections07:02
+perlmonkey2you said add a section, and I thought you meant add functionality to the section objets.07:03
+perlDreamerpreaction: that guy from France added 2% to the WebGUI translation for us07:03
+perlmonkey2okay, yes.  maybe a tab button that pops up a scoring panel where those rules are entered.07:03
+patspamheh yeah, for the scoring expression thing the only thing we add (right at the end) is a new key in the response hash07:04
+patspambut in general we could do lots more refactoring07:04
+perlmonkey2or a special scoring screen where multiple scoring lists can be created for multiple templates.07:04
+perlmonkey2anyways, I dig the idea.  Sounds like a really powerful feature for users.  Way easier than sqlreports or figuring out how to use the temptable on their own.07:05
+patspamyeah, agreed07:05
+patspamalthough nothing to stop people from pulling the responseJSON out of the db and doing whatever they like with it too07:06
+patspamI'll implement the simplest approach with scoring expressions first, and later we can add more awesome07:06
+perlmonkey2absolutely.....this takes away nothing from power users, but allows a pidgin language to quickly put together a complex list of params for a template.07:07
+perlmonkey2man, that is just a cool idea.  Seems like this could be applied to quite a few wobjects in wG.07:08
+patspamI'd love to do a comprehensive feature comparison of Survey with the best available web-based products out there (commercial or otherwise)07:10
@preactionwhat if SQLReport could deserialize JSON?07:10
@preactionhmm... but how would it know?07:11
+perlDreamerit would be easier in TT07:12
+perlDreamersince you can call subroutines and methods in it07:12
@preactionha! right!07:13
+perlDreameryou can do that in H::T, too07:13
+perlDreamerthey just have to be setup ahead of time07:13
@preactionyeah, yeah, i get it07:14
@preactionthat would work07:14
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10664 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 07:37
CIA-23WebGUI: Survey Branch Expressions can now test whether a question07:37
CIA-23WebGUI: has been reached/answered, rather than just testing for the value07:37
CIA-23WebGUI: of a response07:37
+perlDreamerin svn, on the commandline, does anyone know how to get a listing of which files were included in a particular revision?08:03
+perlDreamersvn log -vr08:06
@preactionooh nice08:06
@preactionperlDreamer: quick question about an RFE08:07
@preactionshould i just allow a "None" entry under a template for this, or should I specifically add an option to "Enable viewing"08:08
@preactionbasically she wants to allow Redirect asset to appear in Layout as a link08:09
@preactionand I think that might be a good idea, especially if Layouts get used more08:09
@preactioni don't use layouts as much as i probably should, but they're powerful tools08:09
+perlDreamerthis almost doesn't sound like a template to me08:10
+perlDreamermore like a mode toggle08:10
+perlDreamerDisplay redirect?08:10
+perlDreameror Force Redirect?08:10
@preactioni want a template so that more can be done, like one of those buttons on the webgui.org page Learn, Participate, Support, or whatever08:10
+perlDreamerIf you allow a null template, you may have to subclass prepareView, view and www_view, since they assume (falsely) that the template is always accessible.08:12
@preactionokay, so then the "Show in Layout" toggle would work better08:14
@preactionit would explicitly say "This will only appear in page layouts"08:14
@preactionand then clicking "yes" can enable the user to select a template08:14
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+perlDreamerokay, it's a little more work than I thought going back through 19 revisions of template changes08:34
+perlDreamerbut Rogier has a list of all templates that changed in each revision, along with the commit comment08:35
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10665 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)09:36
CIA-23WebGUI: Survey Branch Expressions now allow you to "tag" data along the way and store09:36
CIA-23WebGUI: it in the response data structure along with the actual user input. Tag data09:36
CIA-23WebGUI: can be used in subsequent expressions, in [[tag]] templated text replacement,09:36
CIA-23WebGUI: and to classify responses in an arbitrary way.09:36
CIA-23WebGUI: Refactored Survey expression utility subs that lookup values/scores/tags in09:36
CIA-23WebGUI: external assets.09:36
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@plainhaowas template_attachments added recently?16:52
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+bartjolplainhao: where is that added?17:05
@plainhaoyeah, it's in wg svn HEAD, WebGUI::Asset::Template17:07
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+bartjolplainhao: a paul added template attachements last friday, as far as I can see17:14
@plainhaothanks, bartjol, i just saw that :)17:15
+bartjolnot sure who paul is, but bug him about it :)17:16
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+perlDreamerhey, bartjol!17:48
* perlDreamer needs to take kids to school in a few minutes, but I'll be right back17:48
@tavistoHello Big Dutch Girlyman!17:48
+bartjolhee tavisto!17:50
+bartjoleverything Ok?17:51
@tavistoyep, been very busy and hopefully we'll have some of our newest leads turn into customers17:51
+bartjolcool, was that from those latest ad:tech?17:52
@tavistoyeah quite a few new leads from that17:52
@tavistoand some others that just came in from the web and cmsmatrix17:52
+bartjolalso rock stars?17:53
@tavistoone definitely has the potential17:53
+bartjoland further, already having kids?17:55
+bartjolI mostly have some muscle ache from sailing and "remodelling my house" with a sledgehammer17:57
@tavistonice... did you go on a long sailing trip?17:59
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+bartjolno, just one day with 4 short races. but that gives you only less time to rest, so I was pretty tired18:01
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+bartjolin 2 weeks I will be sailing to Englanf18:01
+perlDreameryou have an ocean going sail boat, bartjol?18:08
@tavistohe has a 10ft dingy18:10
+bartjolno a 27 foot pion18:11
+bartjoland it's not mine18:11
+bartjolit's from a father's friend18:12
+bartjola friend's father18:12
+bartjoland no tavisto, I'm not suicidal18:14
@tavistohehe I know, I learned to sail in like a 12ft dingy.. and it was on a lake18:14
@tavistoit wouldn't last 5 minutes in the ocean18:14
carograybartjol: -to  where in England are you sailing? I will be in Norfolk in 3 weeks!18:15
+bartjolWolverstone, between Harwich and Ipswitch18:16
carograyaah too far south for us..18:18
carograymy husband will be windsurfing all over the coast when the wind is good - except only near us - in Holt. wouldn't it have been funny if you "ran" into each other:P18:19
+perlDreamerbartjol, just keeping heading east, and you can sail to Madison18:20
+bartjollast time I sailed there I met a friend of mine in the bathroom, he also sailed that race18:20
+bartjoleee, you have a small little island in between: great britain18:20
+bartjoland a few 100's of miles USA perlDreamer18:22
+perlDreameronce you hit North America, just said up around toward Canada, and take a left18:23
+perlDreamerthat'll get you to a series of large lakes18:24
+perlDreamerfollow them until you get to michigan18:24
+perlDreameronce you're there, we'll take care of the rest18:24
+bartjolrent a car, follow route 90 west, I believe, get off at madison etc18:25
+bartjolperlDreamer: Illinois also ok, at leat I know my way in Chicago18:31
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+perlDreamerwhat's the good word, SynQ?19:04
SynQthe right word is love20:03
SynQthe good word, depends on the bad and the ugly one20:03
@preactionwow, this year's wuc is going to be awesome20:34
@preactionthere are so many presentations i want to see... and of course some HAVE to conflict20:35
+perlDreameris the schedule finalized?20:35
@preactionit's up on the site, i know that much20:35
@preactionit's mostly the beginner courses i want to see, they're a lot about how to use webgui to accomplish goals20:36
@preactionLisa's "Social WebGUI" and Chris's WebGUI in Government20:36
@preactionRoy's Enterprise WebGUI20:37
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+perlDreamerBartJol?  You're back21:02
+BartJolI am21:02
+BartJolgot problems?21:03
+perlDreamerI do, do you have a little time?21:03
+perlDreamerPlease read this: http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-coders-and-translators.html?showComment=1241409480000#c89245025952936353321:04
+perlDreamerI found a fellow who would help us with the french translation of WebGUI21:04
+BartJolthat's cool21:04
+perlDreamerhe has a question about international characters21:05
+perlDreamerwhether they should be HTML encoded, or straight characters21:05
* perlDreamer doesn't know21:05
@preactionthe HTML encoding should happen by the translation server itself, if it doesn't i would consider that a bug21:05
+BartJoldutch hasn't gor that much strange characters (a lot of strange people we do have though)21:06
+perlDreamerwhat about unlauts, accents, and so on?21:06
+BartJolmostly german21:06
+BartJolbut we have some21:06
+perlDreamerHaarg, you're our resident utf8 guru (due to long suffering experience).  What do you think?21:07
+BartJolin the last editor that wasn't a problem21:07
+BartJoldor me21:08
+BartJolbut I agree with preaction that they should be encoded by the serevr21:09
@preactionif it's even necessary to encode them, that is21:09
@preactionuser shouldn't care21:09
* preaction imagines a world where the translation server outputs multiple types of i18n files21:10
+BartJolhow are the i18n messages encoded now?21:10
@preactioni don't know21:10
* perlDreamer thinks that the i18n server is utf8 safe21:10
+perlDreamerjust like WebGUI21:10
@preactiondamnit, another project i want to do... make the encoder/decoder in the translation server pluggable21:11
+BartJolit says "use utf8" in the script21:11
@preactionthat just means the code might contain utf8 characters in it21:11
+perlDreamerno, it's for utf8 handling21:12
@preactionwhich would be those i18n modules, since they're perl code21:12
+perlDreamerthe filehandles use utf821:12
@preactioni thought Encode was for utf8 string handling21:12
@preactionand "use utf8" was for utf8 inside code (like the Perl modules we use for i18n)21:12
+perlDreameryou're right.  It's for when i18n modules are required into the code.21:13
+BartJolI do see html encoded stuff in the messages21:14
+BartJolmm, also see messages without code for same characters21:18
+perlDreamerthat's a Data::Dumper bug21:21
+BartJolthat is on my server. now I'm seaking for the messages in my site21:22
+BartJolboth seem to work fine21:23
+perlDreamercool, I'll let him know that21:30
+perlDreamerthanks, BartJol!21:30
+perlDreamerthere's another guy on that site who says he may translate some Esperanto21:31
+BartJolok, dinner time21:37
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knowmadperlDreamer: i have a blocked send queued email messages workflow; got a minute to help me investigate it?21:43
+perlDreamerknowmad, actually I have to head off for a run21:44
knowmadok, i'll see what i can learn21:44
knowmadhave a good run21:44
* perlDreamer guesses you will find that the currentActivityId is blank21:44
knowmadin what table?21:44
knowmadi've got nothing in there21:45
+perlDreamerand the workflow still won't run?21:45
+perlDreamernow I'm curious21:45
+perlDreamerbut I still have to head out21:45
+perlDreamermaking the running partner mad only means more miles21:45
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189 for reference about the empty currentActivityid21:46
+perlDreamerknowmad, the running partner is late, so I have 10 minutes21:51
+perlDreamerany error messages in the webgui.log?21:52
knowmadyes, i'm seeing spectre connection errors21:54
knowmadwas just reading over the bug report21:54
knowmadthis is happening on a site that has 2 domains operating out of a single database -- like pb and webgui.org21:54
knowmadactually, there are more like 16 domains....21:55
+perlDreamerout of 1 db?21:55
knowmadyep, they run training courses21:55
knowmadwe prob wouldn't do it this way again21:55
knowmadbut we do have the webgui/etc/conf files for each of these subdomains which i wonder if we really need21:56
knowmadthey are definitely causing spectre errors21:56
+perlDreamerso it's more like the main site has 16 aliases, or 16 branches all running off of 1 "real" WebGUI site?21:57
+perlDreameryeah, then AFAIK, you don't need conf files for the subdomains22:00
+perlDreamerspectre will make requests for data for all of them22:00
+perlDreamerwhich will make duplicates of every cron job22:00
knowmadthat might be the issue22:00
knowmadi just restarted spectre and mail is flowing again22:00
+perlDreamerwhat were the connection errors?22:01
knowmadlet me get my log22:01
knowmad500 Internal Server Error22:02
+perlDreamerare there corresponding apache error log entries?22:03
knowmadlots of db connection errors and then -- Label not found for "last WEBGUI_FATAL" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 235.22:06
knowmadhadn't seen that one before22:06
+perlDreamersorry, knowmad, this makes twice that I need to run out on you.22:06
+perlDreamerI'd file this as a new bug22:06
+perlDreamersince the WEBGUI_FATAL label _does_ exist over in URL/Content.pm, line 5822:07
knowmadthe problem is that this is showing up in v7.5.40 which is not supported; anyone using that version who has patched this error?22:10
@preactionquick advice needed on refactoring the Collab system: the "sub getThreadsPaginator" is huge, and devotes nearly 20 lines to getting which column to sort by. should that be moved into its own sub?22:44
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@Haargpreaction, that sounds like a good idea22:59
@preactionokay, so i'll try to granulate the collab system23:00
@preactionbut i have to write the tests first, then i can granulate, then i can test the newly granulated method23:00
@Haargalso, re: pluggable encoder/decoder in the translation server23:00
@Haargwhat are you referring to with that?23:00
@preactionwe could use the translationserver.cgi to also do GNU gettext or some other program's proprietary database i18n or something23:01
slickwareI just got the WUC2009 email  - looks like it's filling up nicely23:01
@preactionmake the translation server generally useful, to lead an effort to crowd-source i18n for more programs23:01
@preactionlike the blog post perlDreamer linked to suggests23:01
@preactioni dunno if it's possible, or even a good idea, but probably a few projects have i18n like ours (just key => value pairs essentially)23:02
@Haargi've started work on a new translation server, but it can't do much yet23:03
@preactionooh nice23:04
@Haargbut it's very specific to our usage - getting it to handle that would be even harder than doing so with the current translation server23:04
@preactioneh, it's not a priority23:05
@preactionjust another wall-banging idea23:05
@Haargi still have to adjust and finalize the design in a few places though, so i'll keep that in mind23:05
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@Haargi should try to get it cleaned up enough to where i could put it on github23:07
+perlmonkey2Anyone do anything outside on May 1st?23:14
@preactionnope, was supposed to go for a bike ride but couldn't23:15
@preactiontoday is beautiful though, so i can make it up23:15
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+perlmonkey2preaction: not funny?23:41
@preactiondidn't watch yet23:42
@preactionthat's beautiful23:44
+perlmonkey2yeah, totally made my day.23:44
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+perlDreamerwow, so all you Plain Black guys don't have to present this year23:53
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I'm trying to think of a way to automatically test shipping and payment drivers that require development keys01:07
+perlDreameris it safe to stash them in the config file?01:07
@Haargso anyone can run the tests?01:08
+perlDreamerwell, no01:11
+perlDreamerdeveloper keys are licensed on a 1/person basis01:12
+perlDreamerso I can't hardcode a set inside the tests01:12
+perlDreamerso the config file was the next best option I could think of01:12
@Haargdeveloper keys are separate from user keys?01:12
@Haargor whatever the person running the site would need?01:13
+perlDreameryes.  they go to a non-production server01:13
+perlDreamerat least for this 1 driver setup I've found01:13
+perlDreamerfor ITransact, you tell the remote end whether it is a test or not.01:13
+perlDreamerbut for others, you get a developer key, or a user key01:13
@preactioni like the ITransact way :p01:14
@Haargwell, the config file seems as good as any place for a developer key.  user keys would need to be in the ui of course.01:15
+perlDreamerin all likelihood, only 2-3 people will ever run the tests01:19
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zylopfaWouldn't it be a good idea to make the "Send Mail To Group" function be templatable?01:43
zylopfaSo you can send mail where fields in the userProfileData and user tables can be used in mails?01:44
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+perlDreamerzylopfa, that almost sounds like something you could do with macros01:54
+perlDreamerare they evaluated in that email?01:54
zylopfaIts because i have a group with 400 members i wish to send an email with invitation to testdrive the site01:54
zylopfaand in the mail i need vars such as <ttmpl_var username> <tmpl_var temppassword>01:55
zylopfaMacros arent evaluated in the sendtogroup function01:55
zylopfaI tested it a moment ago01:55
zylopfaImo it should be templatable cause when you send out to a group chance is you wish to use some fields in userProfileData01:56
zylopfato make the mails more personal01:56
zylopfaI will make a Mailer.pm wobject i think to facilitate sending mail to groups with templated messages02:00
zylopfainstead of grinding at the core of webgui02:00
zylopfaIts the whole group mailing function that is assuming that each of the group will receive the exact same mail02:00
+perlDreamerit would be a good RFE to add macros to the send group mail02:01
+perlDreamer1 line of code02:01
zylopfayeah perlDreamer but that dont change it02:01
+perlDreamerand safe from security, since only admins can use that function02:01
zylopfaif you macro ^User(name);02:01
zylopfain the message you send02:01
zylopfait will only have Admin in it02:01
zylopfafor all the users02:01
+perlDreamerno :)02:01
zylopfaCause the mail function send 1 mail02:02
zylopfait dont iterate the messages02:02
zylopfait only send it with changed email address02:02
+perlDreamerOperation/Group.pm, line 63402:02
+perlDreamertoGroup = $session->form->process('gid')02:02
+perlDreamerthat makes it send 1 email to each person in the group02:02
+perlDreamerand they're processed individually02:02
zylopfayesh but look in the mail sender02:02
zylopfalook in that sub02:03
zylopfaI will make this wob02:03
+perlDreamerit pushes 1 email into the queue02:03
zylopfayes 02:03
+perlDreamerbut it sends 1 email to each user in the group02:03
zylopfaand wont iterate it 02:03
zylopfayeah but it wont change the email body02:03
+perlDreamerthat is what would need to change02:04
zylopfasure you can make it do it02:04
zylopfabut its more than 1 line02:04
+perlDreameryou're right, it is more than 1 line02:04
zylopfaAlso you have to change the send thing02:05
+perlDreameryes, indeed02:06
zylopfaand perhaps the queue function also02:06
+perlDreamerqueue would have to be modified to handle sending to a single person02:07
zylopfaFor now i will make a wobject with a "Group" field, a HTMLArea field, subject field02:07
zylopfaand when i send with my wobject, it will interpolate all the fields in userProfileData  with <tmpl_var profilefield>02:08
zylopfaI so love the webgui API, its simply genious02:09
zylopfaI am calling my new wobject GroupMailer02:10
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* patspam is sad there's only 2 days of wuc talks now02:24
* zylopfa comforts patspam02:25
+perlDreamerpatspam, maybe we should hold an extra conference day on Wednesday, anyway02:26
+perlDreamerJT's house has 3 levels02:27
+perlDreamer1 level for each track02:27
+patspamheheh awesome02:27
+perlDreamerAPI hacking on the first floor02:27
+perlDreamerUI hacking on the 2nd floor02:27
+perlDreamerand leftover hacking (business, management, strategy) on the 3rd floor02:27
+patspamand lightning talks at lunch :)02:27
zylopfasounda awesome02:28
+perlDreameryou coming, zylopfa?02:28
zylopfato bad i am no there :/02:28
zylopfaIts in the US isnt it ?02:28
+perlDreamermaybe you could hitch a ride on BatJol's boat02:28
zylopfahaha nice02:28
zylopfaI definately wanna come some time02:28
+perlDreamerit's like 5 times better than IRC, since you can see people02:33
* patspam heads out for coffee02:34
zylopfaI have read all about you guys so you are the only ones I "know"02:35
zylopfawould be awesome to meet up at wuc02:35
zylopfaI am going for 1000+ karma this year i only have 542 atm :(02:41
+perlDreamerhow do you earn your karma?02:42
zylopfaI have made some of the danish translation (i am the only from Denmark doing it)02:44
zylopfaAnd i have fixed some small bugs02:44
* perlDreamer would give you 1000 karma for 50% completion of the Danish translation02:44
zylopfaand i have made a thing in the bazaar that some liked02:44
zylopfaawesome perlDreamer 02:44
zylopfaI have yet to understand why not many from Denmark use webgui02:45
zylopfaIts gold waiting to be picked up imo02:45
+perlDreamerit's just that people don't know about it02:45
zylopfayeah true02:45
zylopfabut maybe also cause you need to know about linux to get it installed02:46
+perlDreameryes, installation is still hard02:46
+perlDreamertime for me to make dinner for the kids, be back later02:47
zylopfaI am lucky that i know everything about linux to host webgui, i have my own 1 man company that design, host and make apps for webgui02:47
zylopfaTake care perlDreamer !02:47
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zylopfaIf you have a variable $message containing template variable tags05:11
zylopfahow can you prepare it, like you do normal templates?05:12
zylopfaI want to replace all <tmpl_var something> in this variable with the $var fields05:12
+patspamzylopfa: in your wobject code?05:13
zylopfayes Sir05:13
+patspamdo you want to add those vars to an existing template that's being used?05:13
+patspamor template something that currently isn't templated?05:13
zylopfajust a simple text scalar i wish to replace <tmpl_var something> tags with the %var things05:14
+patspamah ok05:14
zylopfareturn $self->processTemplate($var,$my-text);05:14
zylopfasomething like this05:14
+patspamyou use the same template engine that the rest of webgui uses05:14
zylopfabut not with a template variable05:14
zylopfaI just wish my $text variable containing the text from a htmlarea to be the template05:15
zylopfacan that be done?05:15
+patspamif I understand you correctly..05:16
zylopfaI GOT IT NOW :D05:17
zylopfasub processTemplate {05:17
zylopfa    my $self = shift;05:17
zylopfa    my $var = shift;05:17
zylopfa    my $templateId = shift;05:17
zylopfa    my $template = shift;05:17
zylopfasorry for spam05:17
+patspamthat's ok.. you can use pastebin05:17
zylopfabut i see that it just needs an argument more which can be the template05:17
zylopfain pure text05:17
zylopfagod i love webgui all is taken care of05:17
zylopfapatspam, I just made a GroupMailer wobject05:18
zylopfaa simple thing that has a Group, Subject and mail message05:18
+patspamcongratulations :)05:19
zylopfaand then it sends the mail message to all users in the group, and it also substitute template variables like <tmpl_var username> and05:19
+patspamgreat to hear that you've caught the webgui bug =D05:19
zylopfaall fields in the userProfileData05:19
zylopfaI made a Wobject for it instead of changing the code05:19
+perlDreamerzylopfa is porting an old website with ~10K users to WebGUI05:19
zylopfayeah perlDreamer 05:20
zylopfai make this wobject to send out to 400 of the users to test the beta version05:20
zylopfai neede the mail i send to be like: Dear <tmpl_var username> ... bla bla here is your password <tmpl_var tmppassword>05:21
+patspamzylopfa: doing it as a wobject is totally fine, but next time around you might want to do it as a Content Handler instead.. you still have access to the same awesome webgui API, but instead of having a wobject that conceptually is an asset to be added (possibly in multiple places) as content, you have a single interface that controls your mailouts05:23
zylopfaahh thanks a lot patspam, it makes more sense as you say to have 1 on the entire site instead of being able to add more of them05:24
+perlDreamerit would be be even better if the Mail/Send API didn't suck and it was easy to evaluate Macros in emails sent from WebGUI05:25
zylopfayeah true perlDreamer 05:25
zylopfaI didnt wanna mess with it thats why i made the wobject05:25
zylopfacause its in the design that you have to change some things05:25
zylopfain the way the mailer was designed from the start05:25
zylopfaIts strange though that it assumes you wish to send the totaly same mail to a group of users05:26
zylopfaok you can send a newsletter out but i like the personalization bit05:26
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+perlDreamersubmit an RFE about it, zylopfa05:30
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zylopfayeah I will do it now05:30
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+perlDreamerwe'll figure it out someday05:30
+perlDreamerunless you get to it first :)05:30
zylopfaAlso i have a question about User->profileField05:30
zylopfait can return a users profile field using profileField(fieldname)05:31
zylopfaI was wondering why it doesnt have a profileField() way to be called05:31
zylopfaso it return all the profilefields as a hash05:31
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elninowhen I do a ps aux, should the number of modproxy = modperls?05:34
+perlDreamerit could zylopfa.  it just doesn't05:35
zylopfaelnino, I think so i have equal numbers on my install05:36
elninoI usually do too, but for somereason I do not a this time. Just  happened to look.05:36
elninoin the wre.conf file, what is the difference between wreMonitor -> modproxyAdministrativelyDown and wreMonitor->items->modproxy ?05:49
@preactionelnino: the wremonitor keeps track if you wanted to restart mysql, (that's administratively down), and it temporarily doesn't check it05:53
elninopreaction, then what does wreMonitor->items->modproxy control?05:54
@preactionwhether or not it should monitor modproxy at all05:55
elninoso if I disable wreMonitor->items->modproxy, then I don't need to do wreMonitor->moproxyAdministrativelyDown?05:55
elninos/need to/need to disable05:55
elninoand if I have wreMonitor->items->modproxy enabled, and modproxyAdministravelyDown disabled, what would wreMonitor do? just tell me? and not try to restart it?05:56
@preactionmodproxyAdministrativelyDown is set by wreservice.pl, it's not something you do manually05:57
elninooh. then why is it in the conf file?? =)05:57
elninoI'll go fix my wiki.  =)05:57
@preactionprobably because it was just easier to put it there for JT05:57
elninoit's set by wreservice or wremonitor?05:59
elninopreaction - do YOU konw if when ps aux is performed if the number of modproxy should equal modperls?  I stopped the services on my server, double checked they were gone, and started them, and they still don't equal the same number.06:01
elninotheres less modperls than there are modproxies.06:02
elninothanks for clarifying myother quesiton. I fixed my wiki06:02
elninozylopfa and I were both under the impression that the number of each should equal.06:03
@preactionmodproxy should be more, since it will serve static files as well06:04
elninooh. ok.  I used to have 10/10 and I now am noticing I have 14/7. Plus I think my modproxy is proxying an apache site (which I suspect would also affect this).  I guess I never saw this before.06:05
elninoI suppose it depends on the time of day.06:05
elninotomorrow, I'll be upgrading to 7.6 yippee!!06:06
elninolong awaited.  Have a good night all!06:07
+patspamnight elnino!06:21
* patspam heads off for lunch06:21
zylopfaanyone on for a quick question?06:39
zylopfaI am working on making my $text variable be templated06:44
zylopfaand i have found the function06:44
zylopfamy $message= WebGUI::Asset::Template->processRaw($session,$tmpmsg,$var);06:44
zylopfabut it wont do anything :( the <tmpl_var > in the text doesn't get substituted06:45
zylopfasure i could just do a s/<tmpl_var fieldName>/$var->{'fieldname'}/gi;06:52
zylopfabut that seems lame when there is a template system already in place06:52
@preactionso $tmpmsg contains "<tmpl_var something>" and $var contains { something => "some text" } ?06:54
@preactioncan you pastebin the actual code somewhere? or a minimal test case perhaps?06:55
zylopfathe only thing i get in the $message is the original text with the "<tmpl_var something> in them06:55
zylopfaso the processor return the string i gave it but doesnt seem to substitute anything06:55
zylopfaLOL preaction i found out why!!07:06
zylopfasometimes i am too stupid for my own good07:09
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CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rf023b7e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Improved Survey exportStructure - http://bit.ly/EKldZ09:55
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zylopfaGreetings Webguians!16:19
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+perlDreamerbopbop, preaction, Haarg: we need a SPAM post removed from the forum18:52
@bopbopthere were three users who posted a bunch of those last nige18:57
+perlDreamerwhat they seem to be doing is taking posts, copying the contents, and then inserting spam links into the original post.18:58
+perlDreamereven the username is suspect, yahoohao18:58
@bopbopyeah, not nice18:58
@bopbopthere was another called sinalong18:58
+perlDreamerat first, with that yahoohao username, I thought plainhao was testing a SPAM filter19:01
+perlDreamerthen I realized that if he had, he would have deleted it after the test19:01
@bopbopI assumed yahoohao was hao from our staff19:02
@bopbopso I didn't look at that one19:02
@bopbopoh yeah... what you just said19:02
* plainhao was elsewhere doing other naughty things, truly.19:03
@plainhaohow's your thumb, bopbop?19:04
@bopbopnot good19:04
@plainhaohow's your kid, failed the test?19:04
+perlDreamerwhat happened to the thumb?19:04
@bopbopfailed the test-yeah!19:04
* plainhao is happy that bopbop's kid failed the official test.19:05
@bopbopI cut off the corner of my thumb yesterday while chopping some vegetables- took off a a good chunk of the fingernail and underlying nail bed and the the side/corner19:05
@plainhaodid you go to e.r.?19:05
@bopbopprobably should have19:06
+perlDreamerthey can reattach if you go quickly19:06
* plainhao is amazed at cheeseheads.19:06
+perlDreamerthat happened to my mom19:06
+perlDreamershe cut off part of her thumb with an axe19:06
+perlDreamer(not while chopping vegetables)19:06
@bopbopit gives me the willies every time I change the bandage - yikes, an ax?19:06
@bopbopchopping off chicken heads instead?19:06
+perlDreamershe was chopping wood19:06
+perlDreamerdon't ask why her hand was on the wood while chopping19:07
* plainhao thinks she should've asked someone else to hold the wood.19:07
+perlDreamerI was inside on a break19:07
+perlDreamerotherwise I would have chopped it off for her19:07
@bopbopdid she get it reattached19:07
@bopbopor was she tough19:08
+perlDreamershe did19:08
@bopboplike me19:08
+perlDreamers/tough/other adjective/;19:08
+perlDreamershe even got the feeling back after a couple of years19:08
@bopbopI actually was being kind of a chicken- I was afraid they would cauterize it, which I hear hurts really bad19:08
+perlDreamerin the meantime, she used it to stir hot coffee19:08
@bopbopyeah, my thumb is pretty numb19:08
+perlDreamerthat's my mom19:08
+perlDreameryou should still have a doctor look at it, bopbop19:09
@bopbopwe'll see19:09
@bopbopthe bleeding has slowed way down19:09
@bopbopso I think I'm in the clear, but if the pain picks up or things start to turn colors I'll go in19:10
@bopbopthere's not really anything they can do at this point19:10
+perlDreamergood astringent and pain medication19:11
@bopbopIt is cinco de mayo- tequila might work too19:11
+perlDreamerthere ya go19:11
+perlDreamerso how come all the other PB guys got to wiggle out of their WUC talks but you're still on?19:12
@bopbopcuz I'm cool19:12
@bopbopI don't know actually19:12
@bopbopbut I'm fine with it19:12
+perlDreamerthere's not even PB&J, so you must be way cool19:12
+perlDreameryeah.  Just so you know, there are other ways to celebrate Cinco de Mayo instead of making the thumb red, green and white.19:14
@bopbopoh I'm sure19:14
@bopbopbut I can wave my thumb in the air like the flag19:15
@bopbopso it's convenient19:15
* perlDreamer thinks if he teases you much more about it that the thumb may be replaced with another finger.19:15
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zylopfaGreetings, all the americanos are up now ;)19:59
+perlmonkey2Vote, worst Perl OO implementation?20:04
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, we need some more context for that one...20:06
+perlDreamergotta scoot, gym time20:07
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: well, was the original OO of just blessed hashes worst?  inside-out?  etc?20:07
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10666 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Fix wrong attribute for script tag in Dataform.20:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10667 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Backporting script attribute fix for Form/Textarea20:08
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topsubIs there a way to disable emails that a user would get from buying something from webgui?21:26
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+perlDreamertopsub, in 7.7 there will be22:47
+perlDreamerI think22:47
+perlDreamerin 7.7 there will be a way to configure how/if you get inbox notifications22:47
topsubpd, ahh22:48
topsubi think i found the sub that sends out emails that i will override if the client approves the time22:48
topsubwe have a custom pay driver that i can move the sub into and almost "null" it out22:48
* perlDreamer can't remember whether that emails directly, or whether it is an inbox message.22:55
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+perlDreamerit goes through the inbox22:58
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+perlDreamerhey, Haarg!23:03
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+perlDreamerEPO Ironman is up to 100 signups in its first month23:16
+perlDreamerincluding recent submits from patspam and perlDreamer23:16
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+perlDreamerHaarg, I think there may be a bug in Crud's serialized data types00:55
+perlDreamerare you close to release?00:55
@Haargwhat is the bug?00:55
+perlDreamerI have a crud field set to serialize automatically00:56
+perlDreamerwhen I call update on it, it writes data to the database, then it resets the field to be the dataDefaultValue00:56
+perlDreamerthat's what it looks like anyway00:56
+perlDreamerand there's no use of serialize in the core so far00:57
+perlDreamertime to start writing tests with a dummy class :)00:57
@Haargwell, this isn't a priority for the release since crud isn't even used in core in 7.600:58
+perlDreamerno, I just wanted to know how much time I had00:58
+perlDreameralso, dataDefault for the field needs to be a string to create the database, but it needs to be a data structure when building the object01:00
@Haargassets have the same problems01:02
+perlDreamerhow do the assets handle it?01:02
@Haargdefault is used both for form controls and for update01:02
+perlDreamerso it breaks for the list types, or is there a fix in there?01:03
@Haargform controls accept whatever they are designed to, sometimes strings, sometimes structs.  update only accepts strings.01:03
@Haargno fix yet01:03
+perlDreamerany opinions on "the right way" to fix Crud?01:03
@Haargthat was the problem wgd edit Template was running into if you remember01:03
+perlDreameroh, yes01:03
@Haargwe 'fixed' it by changing the default to a string instead of an array01:03
@Haargsince there was no reason for it to be an array anyway01:04
@Haargbut that didn't help the underlying cause01:04
@Haargcrud should be simpler to fix i would think01:04
+perlDreamerit's all the same codebase, so basically yes01:04
* perlDreamer is tempted to do the other fix01:04
+perlDreamerand make dataDefault a data structure01:04
@Haargdoes it use the forms api as well?01:05
+perlDreamerwell, you can hack it to make it do that01:05
+perlDreamerthat would mean, strings01:05
@Haargbetter for it not to really01:05
@Haargthe correct fix for asset's problem is to have update run every value through the forms api01:05
@Haargwhich is kind of a significant change and i don't like the speed implications it will have01:06
+perlDreamerno, that wouldn't be fast01:06
@Haargcrud is more self contained so i would think it could just convert the default as needed01:06
+perlDreamerfrom string to data?01:06
+perlDreameror the other way?01:07
* perlDreamer is leaning toward string, because it's very nice to have HTMLForm->dynamicForm build the forms for your Crud methods01:07
+perlDreamer(which I'd forgotten about earlier)01:07
@Haargi think allowing structures in the default would be preferable01:09
@Haargbecause the whole point of the Crud, including the serialize flag is that you shouldn't have to think about the underlying storage mechanism01:12
@Haargform controls generally accept structs for value/default01:12
+perlDreamerthis is true01:12
+perlDreamerwg8 can't come soon enough01:13
+perlDreamerwe won't have time/resources to fix it all though, will we?01:13
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@Haargnot really01:13
+perlDreamerI don't think data structures will work with serialize01:14
@Haargwhy not?01:14
+perlDreamerwhat kind of Form type is JSON?01:14
@Haargthis is a problem in update?01:14
+perlDreamerwe store it as text in the db01:15
@Haarg<perlDreamer> I don't think data structures will work with serialize < you mean when using it with forms or fixing your initial problem?01:16
+perlDreamerI mean at all01:16
+perlDreamerI think they have to be strings01:16
@Haargfixing your initial problem is simple from what i see01:16
+perlDreamerwell, because of the answer to the question I posed above, "What kind of Form type is JSON?"01:17
+perlDreamerserialized data is stored as text in the db01:17
zylopfaHello WebGUIans01:17
+perlDreamerand crud_updateTable uses the form API to set column types01:17
+perlDreamerhm, SelectList works with hashes, but not arrays01:20
+perlDreamerand it's databaseFieldType is LONGTEXT01:20
@Haargthe same problem of how to define column type exists whether you allow structs or not01:21
zylopfalongtext is a big mofo with space01:22
@Haargyou have to handle serialized structs manually anyway with form -> crud storage01:24
@Haargso i don't think it makes a difference really01:24
+perlDreamerprobably not, aside from handling update, crud_tableUpdate and everything else correctly01:25
+perlDreamercorrectly and consistently01:25
+perlDreamerokay, I'll try data structures01:25
@Haargcrud->updateFromFormPost looks broken though01:26
@Haargor maybe not01:26
@Haargi guess not01:26
+perlDreamerit works okay, I've used it before, although not with a serialized data structure01:26
+perlDreamerokay, so here's the convention I think I'm going with01:27
+perlDreamerdata structures in the crud_defintion01:27
+perlDreamercrud_getProperties returns the definition unaltered01:27
+perlDreamerusers of crud_getProperties are expected to serialize when necessary01:27
@Haargi think this is actually just a typo01:30
+perlDreamerin uFFP?01:30
+perlDreamermaybe we need a JSON dummy form type01:31
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+perlDreamerit is purposefully broken01:31
+perlDreamernever processes form data01:31
+perlDreameryes, that's a typo, but then consider when create calls update with a data structure01:33
+perlDreamerwhich is where I am now01:33
@Haargit will be encoded and stored01:33
@Haargi guess i don't see the problem01:36
+perlDreamerI think the problem is that I'm tired, and not thinking straight01:36
@Haargi'm going to fix that typo in 7.601:37
@Haargi'll be back in a bit01:39
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CIA-23WebGUI: Only clone the data from Setting. This prevents trying to close the02:02
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CIA-23WebGUI: Provide a way for WebGUI::Test to register groups to clean up at02:02
CIA-23WebGUI: the end of a test.02:02
CIA-23WebGUI: Convert several tests to use that, including Post.t, which leaked Groups.02:02
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r10671 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Forward port auto storage deletion code for WebGUI::Test.02:02
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r10672 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Handle automatically cleaning up users at the end of a test.02:02
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r10673 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Asset/Post.t: fix Post test cleaning up core groups02:02
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daviddelikatI just had an upgrade fail http://webgui.pastebin.com/d39c9fd1a looking for HTML/Packer.pm02:14
daviddelikatis that a new package from CPAN that I need to install?02:15
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ckotilHOMEAny one notice something funky about search results around 7.5.40? At 7.5.32 my search results would contain keywords in with the results. At 7.5.40 they only contain metadata. No more keywords.04:18
ckotilHOMEchange logs are sparse from 7.5.31 - 7.6.004:20
ckotilHOMEi guess ill upgrade from 7.5.32 to 7.5.40 manually untill i find the culprit04:21
ckotilHOMEaha! funkiness appears at 7.5.3504:30
ckotilHOMEohh, i have major problems with this release. macro's arent executing. 04:40
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CIA-23WebGUI: Added Country question type to Survey05:54
CIA-23WebGUI: Refactored WebGUI::Form::Country so that it can be used to return a list of countries05:54
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+perlDreamersetRow will handle sparse data, won't it?07:05
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daviddelikatis there a perl test function/module that will do a deep comparison of a JSON data set returned from a function?15:19
+BartJoldaviddelikat: me thinks perldreamer will know15:36
daviddelikatthanks, that seems likely, he usually drops in around 10:ish I('ll have to aska gain then.15:38
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+BartJolto what do you want to compare it?15:48
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+BartJolmmm, I should code more15:54
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+BartJolhappy birthday khenn_!15:57
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@khennthanks Bart =)15:57
+BartJolhow young are you now?15:57
@khenn34 years young15:58
+BartJoloooh, so you have some more happy years tanking to go!15:58
+BartJolvery good15:59
carograyyoo hoo - how do you "force the calendar to update" to get a big webgui calendar to display feeds from little calendars?16:04
carograyI am going round and round with scheduler and workflows and cannot figure out steps to make the calendar update16:05
carograyI put 4 calendars in yesterday16:05
carograyadded ?func=ical to the end of each of the URLs and then put those URLs in the big calendar16:06
carograybig calendar not showing little calendar's stuff16:06
+BartJolcarogray: sorry I don't know16:18
carograyk- thanks16:18
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daviddelikatcarogray: in your big calendar you need to set the feed interval16:20
daviddelikatit is on the display tab when you edit the asset.16:21
carograyok will have a look16:21
daviddelikatno sorry, thats not the right bit, give me a minute...16:22
carograywhoops - yeah that didn't seem quite right "period of time displayed in the icalendar feed" doesn't look like what I need16:26
daviddelikatI know I've seen the setting but I cant remember quite where16:26
daviddelikati'll have it in a minute though16:26
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daviddelikatcarogray: there is supposed to be an 'update calendar feed' but it seems to have gone AWOL.  I don't know why and unfortunately don't have any more time to investigate...16:39
carograyok thanks... will keep it on my plate and continue asking passersby. Thanks for investigating and confirming my suspicions.16:40
daviddelikati found it...16:41
daviddelikatfrom the adminmenu go to the workflow are16:41
daviddelikatthen add new workflow16:42
daviddelikatit says 'no object' with a save butotn, click save16:42
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daviddelikatthe update cal feed is the second on the list at the bottom, select it16:43
daviddelikatthen save it16:43
daviddelikatthen put a name in for the workflow and save it also16:44
daviddelikatdon't forget to mark it as enabled16:45
daviddelikatcarogray: are you catching this?16:45
carograythanks - no I wasn't now I am paying attention!16:46
daviddelikatafter you save the last bit then you can go to the schedular and schedule the workflow.16:46
daviddelikatdoes it make sense?16:47
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carograywhat about Mode? I was just reading about serial, parallel and singleton...I am sure I don't want parallel - running in the background when WebGUI has time, nor singleton - I think I want serial16:48
daviddelikatI think singlton is what you want.16:49
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daviddelikatthis is like email, in that you want it to run periodically, but not overlap16:50
carograyok - 16:50
carograyI will make it singleton16:50
carograywhen I went to scheduler, it was already in there16:50
daviddelikatthere is another workflow that schedules items that are enabled ...16:52
carograyaah so that workflow adds it to scheduler automatically16:53
carograyok - well I ran it and of course....large calendar isn't showing small calendar's events :(16:54
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CIA-23WebGUI: martin * r10687 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Pluggable Tax: more POD, more tests, better code and less bugs16:54
carograycleared server cache and browser cach16:54
daviddelikatthen check to make sure the URLs are correct.16:55
daviddelikatthe easy way to do that is to copy them from the calendar setup and paste them into the address location in your browser16:56
daviddelikatit should try to download the ical data to your desktop16:56
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carograyyup did that already just double checked again17:00
carograyI right click on the edit button for the calendar17:00
carograythen substitute 'edit' with 'ical'17:00
carograyI tried your way 17:00
carograyical link on calendar, save to desktop but it gives me 17:01
carograywhen I open in notepad I seem to get 17:01
carograywhereas url I thought I ought to be using is: http://www.mlri.org/caroline_robinson/calendar?func=ical17:02
daviddelikatmay I click on that link?17:02
carograyI wonder could it be something with permissions? of course, but the calendars are only visible to mlri staff17:03
carograyI can make viewable to all for a sec if you think that might help.17:03
daviddelikatI'd like to see the data17:03
carograyI mean of course, click on thelink17:03
* daviddelikat needs a faster computer17:06
daviddelikative got the file.17:06
daviddelikatthere is nothing in it17:06
carograyI haven't made the calendar viewable to everyone - could that be why?17:07
daviddelikatit could also be why your big calendar is not getting any data17:08
daviddelikatyou may need to make the calendar viewable to the user that runs the scheduled jobs17:08
daviddelikati don't know off hand what id that would be tyhough17:08
daviddelikatdoes the big calendar show an update date for the feeds?17:09
carograysorry just playing with it a little17:11
carograyjust made my calendar viewable to everyone17:11
carograythen I clicked on the link I gave you17:11
carograyin IE17:11
carograyasks me if I want to save or open the ics file17:12
carograyI picked save to desktop...17:12
carograyempty except for BEGIN:VCALENDAR17:12
carograyPRODID:WebGUI 7.6.15-stable17:12
carograywhen I did it before from the calendar itself...I got:17:13
carograyPRODID:WebGUI 7.6.15-stable17:13
carograySUMMARY:Caroline on Holiday17:13
carograyoh jeez! sorry about taking up so much space in the chat room - returns I guess17:13
daviddelikatbest to uyse pastebin for any thingmore than a couple of lines...17:14
carograyyeah! OOPS. 17:15
carograyso now that I have made my calendar public..17:15
carograyI looked at in IE not logged in and there are no events in the calendar 17:15
daviddelikatperhaps the events themselves are still not public...17:16
carograydo you think that when the calendar was private, the events I added..right17:16
carograythat's what I am thinking...17:16
carograyso I just added another event now that it is public...17:18
carograydoesn't show up 17:18
daviddelikathow does it look when you are logged in?17:18
carograyMay 6 - month view, Lunch with May Yoga Advocacy Meeting - each on its own line17:20
carograyI am going to asset manager to check security on individual events17:22
daviddelikatlook at the bottom of the event in 'edit event' and see what the setting is for 'group to view this event'17:22
carograyI edited the branch and made security for calendar and recursively view by everyone..17:24
carograywhen Idid what yousuggested 'everyone' was in group17:25
carograyrefreshed browser and at least events now show up in MY calendar now that it is public..17:25
carograyhowever events from my calendar still not showing up in big, MLRI - viewable only to mlri staff - calendar17:26
carograyran update feeds workflow activity again too17:26
daviddelikatdid you re-run the update workflow?17:27
daviddelikatalso check the last update date on the feeds in the big calendar17:28
daviddelikatif the job has not finished yet they may still show up17:28
carograySuccess! 1 added, 0 updated, 0 parsing errors17:29
carogray2009-05-06 13:38:4517:29
daviddelikatnow to get it to work the way you want it to17:29
carograythat's right- except the events are not showing up in teh calendar17:29
daviddelikatthe callendar may be a caching issue17:30
carograylike everything else in WebGUI ;)17:30
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daviddelikatcache makes fast queries but painfull debgging17:30
carograyI cleared the cache iin admin console17:30
daviddelikatfortunately we dont always debug17:31
daviddelikatwell you dont17:31
daviddelikatI debug every day17:31
carograyI come across bugs every day - probably usually the same ones and this project was supposed to take my mind off the bug that has been preoccupying me for the last 5 weeks17:32
daviddelikatwhich bug is that?17:32
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carograyit's something David Huggins is working on for me to do with env('httpreferer') and mail data forms17:33
carograyit's not probably technically a 'bug' ...yet17:33
daviddelikateverything is a bug from some point of view17:34
carograythen of course, you don't want to know about the bugs my son is breeding out in the garden until we manage to get a tractor to dig a whole to bury all the carcasses from the farm collected over the winter...blech gag...17:35
carograydig a hole17:35
daviddelikatswounds like fun17:36
carograyso ... back to calendars, now that the technical end of webgui seems to think our calendars are working how do get people to think the calendars are working17:36
carograyit's a far cry from computers...farming17:36
daviddelikatso did the stuff show up aftrer clearing the cache?17:37
xdangercould someone verify my bug finding? is there any devs around?17:40
daviddelikattheres folksa round, i can peek if its quick17:41
xdangerthere is a error in the upgrade script of 7.6.0 -> 7.6.117:41
xdangerthe column postReceivedTemplateId is updated incorrectly17:42
xdangerin upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl:    $session->db->write("ALTER TABLE Collaboration ADD COLUMN postReceivedTemplateId VARCHAR(22) DEFAULT 'default-post-received';");17:42
daviddelikatsorry, thats going to be beyond me17:42
xdangerbut in 7.6.0-7.6.1 there is a fixShort assetId that fixes it:         'default_post_received'     => 'default_post_received1',17:43
daviddelikatmore fols pop up arount 10 though17:43
daviddelikats/fols/folks/ !fools17:43
daviddelikatcarogray: can you see the events from big cal if you are logged in?17:45
daviddelikatI hope you don't mind but I am trying to pull them into a calendar on my test environment17:46
daviddelikatI wipe the DB about once a week17:47
daviddelikatso it wont be here long17:47
carograyof course not...17:47
carograywhen I am on holiday, the fact that I have lunch with a vietnamese translator and yoga and advocacy meeting all scheduled at once are hardly private info17:47
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carograyjust not particularly professional to be advertising to the rest of the world17:48
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+perlDreamerMech422, Story Manager was released with WebGUI 7.7.5, if you'd like to play with it.17:49
+perlDreamerHaarg, I got all the bugs worked out of serialized Crud data last night17:50
+perlDreamerI'll side port the patch and create some more test to validate it further.17:50
@Haargwhat else needed to be fixed?17:51
+perlDreamerupdate created 1 hash which was used to update the object cache, and to write to the db17:53
+perlDreamerunfortunately, they need different kinds of data17:53
+perlDreamerJSON => db17:53
+perlDreamerdata => object17:53
daviddelikatcarogray: the only event that transfered was the vacation item17:55
daviddelikatit does not chow up in calendar view foer some reason17:55
daviddelikatjust found it by searching17:56
carograyoh no..17:56
daviddelikati think you are going to have to seek a higher level techie to solve this issue17:56
carograyso much for productive diversions17:56
carograywell thanks so much for trying so diligently...and for so long. I do appreciate it.17:57
daviddelikatwell there should be more people coming on board soon17:57
daviddelikatthe workflow is running -- thats productive...17:57
carograyyeah...I guess so. thing is I don't want to distract WebGUI support from the big problem I mentioned earlier... will just have to put this on the back burner again for a while..17:58
carograyagain thanks for trying...we did make a little progress.17:59
+perlDreamerxdanger: thanks for the bug fix!18:07
xdangerno problem18:08
xdangerto bad that I didn't notice it before 7.6.22 was released =)18:09
+perlDreamerit's all right, we'll get it fixed in .2318:09
+perlDreamerit's an easy fix18:10
xdangeryeah, fixeded it on my sites already18:10
daviddelikatperlDreamer: is there a perl test function to do deep comparison on JSON data returned by a perl function?18:17
+perlDreamerJSON data is text, so you can use like($jsonData, qr/gnarly regexp/, 'JSON check');18:18
+MrHairgreasedaviddelikat: cmp_deeply( from_json, ...)18:18
+perlDreamercmp_deeply is provided from Test::Deep18:18
+perlDreamerand you can find examples of it being used that way in the Shop/Tax tests18:19
+MrHairgreasecmp_deeply( from_json( $JSONString), ...) that is18:19
daviddelikatthanks that is what I was hoping you were saying18:19
+perlDreamerthere's also Test::JSON, but we haven't used it yet18:21
+MrHairgreaseTest::JSON seems a bit sucky18:22
+MrHairgreaseI think it's better to use Test::Deep18:23
+MrHairgreaseb/c it has muchg more powerful comparison functionality18:23
+perlDreamerI agree.  The only advantage I see in Test::JSON is that it displays the differences in the JSON, vs the data structure18:25
+perlDreamerbut that's pretty minimal18:25
+MrHairgreaseyeah but oinly 1 level deep18:26
+MrHairgreasegotta go18:26
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+perlDreamerbopbop: are you still seeing this bug happen http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/902918:43
daviddelikatwhat is the easiest way to manage revisions on an asset?18:47
daviddelikatim selecting some items with SQL and I want to make sure that I have the latest row18:48
daviddelikatcan I exclude rows with s simple clause?18:48
daviddelikator do I have to go through the data with perl?18:48
+perlDreameryou do a subselect on the revisionDate18:50
+perlDreamerthere are examples of it in Asset/Template.pm18:50
daviddelikatdo you know how much that slows down the query?18:52
daviddelikatI'm getting EMSTicket rows and I'm told there may be thousands18:53
+perlDreamervery well could be18:53
+perlDreamerbut you have to do that to find the latest version18:53
+perlDreamerat one point, rizen did some profiling of the cost of the subselect, and it was small18:53
+perlDreamerI think18:53
daviddelikator I could chug through it in perl and delete the old rows.18:53
+perlDreamerthat might be slower still18:54
+perlDreamerbecause you'd returning huge amounts of data18:54
+perlDreamerversus a more complex query18:54
daviddelikat'course the other bit is that i really only want data for select locations18:55
daviddelikatand location does not seem to have an index18:55
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10688 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 19:02
CIA-23WebGUI: Fix a bug with the CS default post received template id. db defaults pointed19:02
CIA-23WebGUI: to a template that does not exist.19:02
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10689 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Forward porting CS default post received templateId fix for the db.19:02
daviddelikatperlDreamer: do I need to include the bit about the version tag?19:05
+perlDreamerwhat's the goal of what you're trying to do?19:06
daviddelikatim selecting rows to put in a table 19:06
daviddelikatputting up the schedule for the event19:06
+perlDreameryes, you do19:07
daviddelikatim asking mostly because i dont really understand how the whole rev control thing works in wg19:07
+perlDreamerbecause it would let  people working under version tags see what their proposed (uncommitted) tickets will do to the schedule19:07
daviddelikatis the version tag always going to be in the scratch?19:07
daviddelikatk thanks19:09
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+perlDreamerHaarg, sounds like I'm still screwed.20:15
+perlDreamermysql won't let a default be set on text column types20:15
+perlDreamer"Root cause: BLOB/TEXT column 'jsonField' can't have a default value"20:16
daviddelikathave you considered usinga  trigger?20:17
daviddelikator is that bad karma?20:17
+perlDreameryes, but killing Mysql is not the answer20:18
+perlDreamersorry, bad pun there. trigger/gun vs db/trigger20:19
daviddelikatoh  i see20:19
daviddelikati had not made that jump...20:19
+perlDreamerit was probably better not to ;)20:20
daviddelikatmy first thought was a horse20:20
daviddelikati forget whos horse it was20:20
daviddelikati gottta go to my other job20:26
daviddelikatback in a few hours...20:26
+perlDreamersomebody spammed the wiki for ads for armed security guards20:30
+perlDreamerof course, the Crud thing is not strictly due to serializing20:35
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you have any idea how Crypt::Admin is supposed to be tied into the admin panel?20:41
+perlDreamerprobably needs a content handler for the interface, which means it goes into the config file in the admin console section20:41
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I don't see anything else in the admin panel that works like that though.20:42
+perlDreamerAsset Manager20:43
+perlDreamerAsset History20:43
+perlmonkey2thanks ;)20:43
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+perlDreamerokay, time for an early run20:58
+perlDreamerlater, y'all20:58
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+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you have any idea what's going on with the crypt branch?  master has a crypt content manager but not crypt.22:29
+perlmonkey2has crypt dev moved to the master branch?22:29
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+perlDreamerno idea, perlmonkey223:03
* SynQ is a xen buddist23:24
+perlDreamerSynQ is an electrician23:24
SynQperlDreamer: congrats with your webgui-worldwide entry :)23:25
+perlDreamerwebgui worldwide?23:25
* SynQ notices everything23:25
+perlDreamerthat's awesome23:26
+perlDreamerthank you SynQ23:27
+perlDreamerI thought you were talking about my post to the partner's list about the hackathon23:27
preactionwhen did w3 come back?23:28
SynQw3 never went away23:28
preactionnew design then?23:28
SynQnot really23:28
SynQit's been so for a while now23:28
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+perlDreamerI really want to build some caching into Crud23:50
+perlDreamerat least things like getTableName, getTableKey, etc.23:50
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+perlDreamerI think the end of the world is near01:13
+perlDreamerFirst, we have this swine flu stuff01:13
+perlDreamernow I hear the several trees in a local park are going to have to be cut down01:13
+perlDreamerbecause they have schwieneiggi butt rot01:13
+perlDreamerfor those of you who don't speak German, that's piggy butt rot01:14
+perlDreamerif that crosses over like the swine flu did, we're screwed01:14
@tavistoI think JT already has butt rot01:19
+perlDreameryou only say that because he's not in channel, and doesn't read the IRC logs01:20
@tavistonah I say that because I share quite a few hotel rooms with him while I'm on the tradeshow schedule01:20
+perlDreameroh, well then01:20
@tavistoI don't read the IRC logs either.. Who on earth has time to do that01:20
+perlDreamerAre you going to give WWN an exclusive interview recap of AdTech?01:21
Chizaddon't read 'em, just run 'em through grep so you can see if anyone said anything about you while you weren't around. :)01:21
@tavistoactually I thought JT was going to blog about this.. That's true we haven't posted anything about ad:tech yet.01:22
preactiontavisto: Re: the "too hard to find source install" thing01:24
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10691 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the survey exitURL hover help.01:24
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10692 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting Survey i18n fix.01:24
@tavistoyeah pre01:24
@tavistoI honestly thought we did fine by hiding it a bit.. JT wanted to as well01:25
preactionif they're asking for it, does it mean they're using it? and if they're using it, no matter how difficult it may be to install, should we not make it at least easy to find?01:25
@tavistoWe also need a new box for the Local Debian & Ubuntu installs01:25
preactioni know we had this dicussion last month01:25
@tavistowell, I'm okay with adding it as the 3rd box. It previously was the 2nd box01:26
@tavistoSusan Baur and Knowmad both reported it01:26
@tavistowhich kinda scares me in a way.... that they want the source install01:26
@tavistobut hey if they want it then I don't see any harm in putting it as the last option01:26
preactionperhaps there's something wrong with the WRE they haven't mentioned01:27
@tavistogood question.01:27
preactionor perhaps they just want to work with their native package systems, and the WRE requires some workarounds for that (though we could fix that too)01:27
+perlDreamerjust make it the last box and say something like, "I wouldn't let my dog do a source install, but if you really want it..."01:28
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* perlDreamer heads off to coffee03:24
+perlDreamermight be back on later tonight03:24
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+perlmonkey2Source isntalls wouldn't be an issue if Apache::Request wasn't such a pain.03:39
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+patspamperlbot: say something funny04:36
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+patspamperlbot: webgui04:44
perlbotWebGUI - an open source content management system written in Perl - http://webgui.org | Also see #webgui on irc.freenode.net04:44
+patspamperlbot: perlmonkey204:45
perlbotdon't feed teh monkey!04:45
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+perlmonkey2perlbot: patspam05:13
+patspamI am invisible05:14
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, where are you manners05:16
+perlDreameryou always make introductions both ways...05:16
+perlDreamernow perlbot's feelings are going to be hurt05:17
+perlmonkey2perlbot: perlDreamer05:17
perlbotColin Kuskie, Contributor of the Year, and jack of all trades05:17
+perlDreamerperlbot: patspam is Patrick Donelan from SDH, and a major WebGUI Developer and community member05:18
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daviddelikataren't there supposed to be fireworks?05:18
daviddelikator at least a bottle of champagne05:18
+perlDreameronly when we release a new version of WebGUI05:18
+perlmonkey2perlbot: webgui06:04
perlbotWebGUI - an open source content management system written in Perl - http://webgui.org | Also see #webgui on irc.freenode.net06:04
+perlmonkey2perlbot: perl06:04
perlbotIt's Perl (for the language) or perl (for the interpreter) but NEVER 'PERL'!06:04
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+perlDreamerI'm making a new Shipping Driver for the US Postal Service06:40
+perlDreamerbecause they are very strict in XML processing, I can't use XML::Simple06:40
+perlDreamerwhich means another core module for writing XML06:40
+perlDreamerI'm heavily leaning toward XML::Writer06:40
+perlDreamerdoes anyone have any experience that might sway that?06:41
+patspampresumably XML::Tiny isn't strict enough either?07:12
+patspamperlbot: xml07:12
perlbotDon't parse xml with regular expressions! Use a real parser.  If your response begins "that's overkill.  i only want to..." you are wrong.  http://perl-xml.sf.net/faq/ and http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/04/05/feature/ (XML parser comparisons)07:12
+patspamperlbot: thanks!07:13
+perlDreamerI don't think it's an emitter, only a parser07:13
perlbotIf you want to thank us, help out the perl community by sending some money (even if just a couple of dollars) to The Perl Foundation. http://donate.perlfoundation.org/07:13
+patspamah sorry, just realised you want to write xml, not parse it07:13
+perlDreamerwhat I really wish is that XML::Simple would not change the order of hashes that are passed to it07:14
+patspameven when you IxHash tie them?07:15
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+perlDreamerI went and looked inside the module after I started using Tie::IxHash07:15
+perlDreamerit sorts them on purpose07:16
+patspamdang, you'd think they'd make that an optional thing07:16
+patspami guess it sorts them to make it more deterministic07:16
+patspamsince hashes are not supposed to have any sort of natural order07:16
+perlDreamerI think it has something to do with attribute parsing.07:17
+patspamNewer versions of XML::Simple sort elements and attributes alphabetically (*), by default. Enable this option to suppress the sorting - possibly for backwards compatibility.07:17
+patspam* Actually, sorting is alphabetical but 'key' attribute or element names (as in 'KeyAttr') sort first. Also, when a hash of hashes is 'unfolded', the elements are sorted alphabetically by the value of the key field.07:17
+patspamthat's the "NoSort" option.. tried that?07:18
+perlDreamernot yet07:18
+perlDreameryou rock!07:18
+patspamooh, and in Hook Methods you can supply your own sorted_keys(name, hashref) function07:18
+patspam--> Called when XMLout() is translating a hashref to XML. This routine returns a list of hash keys in the order that the corresponding attributes/elements should appear in the output.07:18
+perlDreamermaybe I just need to take a bit and read that XML::Simple from top to bottom07:19
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+patspamlol, just fixed my sister's macbook which she'd been told by a repair shop was dead and "not worth sending back to apple"07:32
+perlDreamerwhat was the problem?  bad battery?07:32
+patspamsolution: take out battery, hold down power button for 10 seconds, put battery back in & connect to power07:32
+patspam..and turn on07:32
+patspam(problem was: couldn'07:33
+patspamt turn on)07:33
+patspamI should have added a voodoo chant in the middle for dramatic effect07:33
+perlDreamereh, you'd have to charge extra for the chant07:33
+perlDreamerxkcd is too funny07:36
+patspamheh, too many firefly references today, I'm missing all the jokes07:40
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CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed Survey jump target and jump expression precedence order across10:04
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CIA-23WebGUI: martin * r10695 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Internationalised the javascript part of the vendor payouts manager.15:49
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ckotilI had a wiked RFE last night before i fell asleep. now i cant remember it16:17
ckotili knew i should have written it down16:17
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@preactionHaarg: can you let me know when you're going to do the release? i've got a couple bugfixes for the features we added last friday18:31
@Haargi'm starting running the tests right now, but i can wait on the release18:32
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@preactionok, there's two main things i need to do quick then the rest of it can wait18:35
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@preactiontemplate attachments need to work with packages, and the help for the new style template vars needs to be added/updated18:36
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@HaargperlDreamer, t/Crud/serialize.t is failing, i think you may have missed adding a file18:45
+perlDreameryou're right!18:45
+perlDreamerit's the pseudo module18:45
+perlDreamerI'll fix it now18:45
+perlDreamerI have so many little scripts laying around that svn st is nigh on useless18:46
+perlDreamerit's committed18:46
+perlDreamersorry about that, Haarg18:46
@Haargnot a problem18:46
+perlDreamernormally I write tests to make our lives easier :)18:46
@tavistoperlDreamer, you are fired18:48
+perlDreamerthere's too much of that going around, tavisto18:48
@tavistomaking mistakes? how dare you.18:48
+perlDreamera friend of mine lost his job yesterday18:48
+perlDreamerthey did it over the phone18:48
@tavistodid he work for that same company you did18:49
+perlDreamerno, for all the negative things I could say about $oldDayJob, they were very polite and respectful when it came to layoffs18:49
+perlDreamereven so, I hope the CEO forgives me for that case of boils that I prayed for.18:50
@tavistoI thought your $oldDayJob told you to move your desk far back in your cubicle while they stole your stapler18:50
+perlDreamerthat was after I cut down the cubicle wall to get a nice window view18:52
@tavisto*tavisto wonders if perlDreamer was Milton in Officespace*  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvGwr5wj8A818:53
+perlDreamertavisto, you haven't signed up for the hackathon yet18:56
* perlDreamer wants you to bring your mad design skills for some templating work18:56
@tavistosince when does hackathon require design skills18:57
+perlDreamerand someone has to keep an eye on preaction18:57
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@tavistoall I know is that preaction promised me a pony in the next wG release...19:00
@preactionyeah, well Avery Brooks promised me a flying car by the year 200019:01
@preactioni want my flying car19:01
+perlDreamerI don't think ponies can be licensed under the GPL19:02
@preactionwhat about Acme::POE::Knee?19:02
+MrHairgreasebeat me to it19:02
+perlDreamerand I don't think we'll get flying cars before the end of the world19:02
@HaargperlDreamer, you're getting a bit too aggressive with the cleanup code i think19:02
+perlDreamerwhat did I break?19:02
@Haargcleaning up default groups19:03
@Haargin t/Asset/Post.t19:03
@tavistooh dude... preaction punked me..... POE::Knee?! You gotta me kidding me19:03
@Haargsimple to fix though19:03
+perlDreamerwe should probably fix it twice, once in t/Asset/Post.t, and again in WebGUI::Test so that it doesn't clean up default groups (like the default users code)19:04
+perlDreamerwant me to do that?19:04
@preactiontavisto: http://search.cpan.org/~kane/Acme-POE-Knee-1.10/lib/Acme/POE/Knee.pm19:04
@Haargi'll do the first part19:04
+perlDreamermaybe I was just trying to reduce the size of the create.sql file...19:04
+perlDreameroh, and I found a bug19:05
+perlDreamerdeleting a user does not clean up his address book(s)19:05
+perlDreamerI should post that so I don't forget it19:06
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10696 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Serialize.pm: Adding in pseudo-module for Crud serialization testing.19:08
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r10697 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/ExpirePurchasedThingyRecords.pm: fix Thingy Record expiry workflow activity19:08
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r10698 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: fix pod typo19:08
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r10699 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post.t: don't clean up default groups19:08
+perlDreamerHaarg: does this list look right for default groups 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 11 12 13 14 pbgroup000000000000015 pbgroup000000000000016 pbgroup00000000000001719:10
+perlDreamerchecked, and committed19:12
+perlDreamerhas anyone benchmarked WebGUI::Utility::isIn vs List::Utils::any?19:12
+perlDreamerwith any being written in C, you think it would be very fast19:13
+MrHairgreaseI like any better just because it's in List Utils19:14
+MrHairgreaseand isIn is home brew19:14
+MrHairgreasebut for much WG stuf I use isIn19:14
+MrHairgreasebecause it's more or less the defacto stanadard in wg code19:15
@Haargany is in List::MoreUtils19:15
+MrHairgreasethat's what i meant19:15
+perlDreamerwhat I was thinking is, if any is much faster than isIn, that we replace the guts of isIn with any19:15
@HaargList::Util has first19:15
@Haargwhich would work just as well19:15
+perlDreamerwell, yes and no19:17
+perlDreamerany returns a boolean19:17
+perlDreamerfirst returns the first value that matches the criterion19:17
+perlDreamerso if you were searching for 0, you have to be careful19:18
@Haargdefined check will take care of that though19:18
+perlDreamerI'm not sure how to read that19:33
+perlDreamerbased on rate, it looks like isIn is really fast19:33
@Haargdepending on how many elements you are searching and how fast it can short circuit, isIn is sometimes faster or slower than grep, but always faster than first and any19:39
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10700 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Prevent default groups from being deleted.19:39
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r10701 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): fixed: URLs that shouldn't happen (#10353)19:39
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r10702 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): URLs that shouldn't happen (#10353)19:39
@preactioni thought isIn was implemented by grep19:39
@Haarg$_ eq $key and return 1 for @_;19:40
@Haarggrep using an expression instead of a block is slightly faster than that comparison shows, but only by a little19:42
+perlDreamerrecent Asset.pm breaks Asset.t19:43
+MrHairgreasenaming question19:45
+perlDreamerPeter and Tim for boys, Emma for girls19:46
+MrHairgreaseI have a method in the TaxDrivers that should return information that should be stored along with transactoion items19:46
+MrHairgreaseright now I've called it getConfigurationForTransactionLog19:46
+MrHairgreasebut that sound kinda sucky19:46
+MrHairgreaseany better ideas19:46
+MrHairgreaseget TranasctionTaxData19:47
+MrHairgreasethat's better i guess19:47
+perlDreamerthere you go!19:47
+MrHairgreasew/o the spelling errors19:47
+MrHairgreasemucho gracias!19:47
@preactionit should be verbNounAdjectiveAdjectiveAdjective19:47
+MrHairgreaseI know19:48
+MrHairgreasebut I had something like getTransactionData at first19:48
+MrHairgreasewhich is too confusing19:48
+MrHairgreasedoes it fetch soime transaction data19:48
+MrHairgreaseor does it provide the data to store with the transaction19:49
@preactionit fetches the Tax data for the transaction19:49
+perlDreamerwhat is a parfait?19:50
+MrHairgreaseit's a desert19:50
@preactionit has layers, like an Ogre19:51
+MrHairgreasethe french version is quite good19:51
@preactionplus everybody likes parfaits19:51
+MrHairgreaseoh wait19:51
dreamersgirlmmmm....we were checking out these here:19:52
+MrHairgreaseI'm mixing things up19:52
dreamersgirlthey're a ways down the page19:52
+MrHairgreaseprofiterole is good19:52
dreamersgirlthey look really tasty, though19:52
ckotilshould testCodebase.pl complete with PASS?19:53
dreamersgirlI like those, too19:53
+perlDreamerckotil, if it doesn't something is wrong19:54
+perlDreameralthough historically there have been cases where the tests were out of date19:54
ckotili have a lot of .t files failing 19:54
+perlmonkey2sweet "git config --global alias.co checkout #"19:54
+perlmonkey2didn't know abotu alias19:54
+perlDreamerckotil, what does testEnvironment.pl say?19:55
+perlDreamerand what version are we talking about here?19:55
ckotiltestEnvironment finishes fine.19:55
ckotili dont have all of the optional modules tho19:55
+perlDreamerHaarg just released that on Tuesday, which means it should run clean.19:56
+perlDreamerwhich files are failing?  Can you give us a paste?19:57
@Haargwhich optional modules do you now have?19:57
ckotiltext::aspell is one19:57
* Haarg murders UNIVERSAL::can19:58
ckotildateTime might have a problem too19:58
ckotilmaybe whats causing the UNIVERSAL errors?19:58
ckotilChecking for module DateTime:                     Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/DateTime/Locale.pm line 29819:58
@Haargthey aren't really errors19:58
+perlDreamerckotil, did you run that on a production database?19:59
ckotilno way.19:59
ckotilthis is my dev host.19:59
ckotildamn, so i did a cpan install on DateTime to update it, thinking it might clear up that UNIVERSAL::can error. it did not19:59
@preactionHaarg: running tests before my commit, then i'm done19:59
@Haargthe universal warnings are a bug in UNIVERSAL::can as far as i'm aware19:59
+perlDreamerckotil: what does this say (please paste):  WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/sbin/../etc/globalnoc.webgui.conf CODE_COP=1 prove  -v ../t/Asset/Asset.t20:00
+perlDreamerrun that from the sbin directory20:00
+perlDreameror adjust the path accordingly20:00
ckotildo i prepend testCodebase.pl to that?20:01
ckotilah ok, i see20:02
+perlDreamertestCodebase.pl is just a somewhat handy wrapper around prove20:02
+MrHairgreaseok, time to go home20:02
ckotilits quite lengthy20:02
* MrHairgrease is starving20:02
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10703 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: Update test to work with new fixUrl code.20:02
+perlDreamerredirect the output into a file and paste it, please20:02
+perlDreamerit will tell us exactly which tests are failing on your dev system20:03
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+perlDreamerman, to test this new shipping driver I can't use Shawshank collateral, since the post office is actually going to validate the address data20:04
+perlDreamerckotil, tell me about your initial database setup20:05
+perlDreamerand what's your gateway setting?20:05
ckotilgateway is /20:06
ckotildatabase is running locally on port 330620:06
+perlDreamerthe failing tests are using fixUrl20:08
+perlDreamerand it's kind of troublesome that one that checks for /root is failing20:08
+perlDreamersince WebGUI will break without the root node20:09
+perlDreamerckotil, does your dev site have a full, standard WebGUI database?20:10
ckotili used create.sql way back when20:11
ckotiland its a direct copy of the production site20:11
ckotilat line 50, it says got root. then why at 51 would it  expect 'root2'?20:15
ckotilgot root? now that's a nerdy shirt20:15
+perlDreamerthat's the test output20:19
+perlDreamerwhat it got as test data was 'root'20:19
+perlDreamerbut it was told that the correct answer is 'root2'20:19
+perlDreamerso that test failed20:19
+perlDreamerand it printed those diagnostics20:19
ckotilany idea where this root2 would be defined?/20:19
+perlDreameroh no, it's the opposite of that20:19
ckotil./WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t:is($importNode->fixUrl('/root'), 'root2', 'If a node exists, appends a "2" to it');20:19
+perlDreamersince it didn't append a "2" to it, the /root URL does not exist20:20
+perlDreamerand that's bad20:20
ckotilso get this. http://webdoc-dev.grnoc.iu.edu/root/20:20
ckotilpage doesnt exist. that explains it20:20
+perlDreamerhow can the page not exist?20:20
+perlDreamerthat's the root node20:20
ckotillet me check out my asset structure ;)20:20
+perlDreamergotcha :)20:20
ckotilah... heh... the .html extension!20:21
+perlDreamerso by default, .html is added to all URLs on your site?20:21
ckotilas defined in the admin console > settings20:21
ckotilits been hit or miss tho.20:22
+perlDreamerwell then, that's a test bug that has to be fixed20:22
ckotilsometimes it works, sometimes no20:22
+perlDreamerand your default URL, is it index.html instead of /home?20:22
ckotilhrm, where would that be defined?20:22
ckotilindex.html takes me to the start page for my site. /home takes me nowhere20:23
+perlDreameralso in the settings20:24
ckotilok. it looks like it's called default ome page20:25
+perlDreamerright, that's it20:25
ckotilyeah, it goes to index.html20:26
+perlDreamerthis test mistakenly assumes that the default home page is /home20:26
+perlDreamerso the test should either change those settings to run the test, or take them into account20:26
ckotilcan't it just pulldown the values from the db?20:27
+perlDreameroh, it could.  It just doesn't20:27
+perlDreamerare those the only two tests that are failing?20:27
ckotilare the tests desinged to be independent of the db?20:27
+perlDreamersomewhat independent20:28
ckotilnah, there are more that fail.20:28
+perlDreamerbut as you can see, there's at least two places where it makes bad assumptions20:28
ckotilill capture the out put and past.20:29
ckotilhow's this for an RFE? The ability to move assets between version tags.20:32
@preactionit's already possible20:33
+perlDreamerI think that's already possible20:33
ckotilah, nice.20:33
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@preactionHaarg: done. sorry it took so long (tests were failing). could you re-run your tests? some unrelated tests were failing and i can't figure out why20:43
@Haargwhich ones?20:44
@preactionlet me pastebin. it's a whole bunch20:48
@preactionassetExportHtml.t has always failed on my system20:49
@preactionAsset_diagnose.t was a problem with a custom asset i have in my SVN repo20:49
@preactionand there are two new tests I'm building, but the rest are unknown status20:50
@Haargi don't get those failures here on a clean database20:51
@Haargat least, not most of them20:51
@preactioni'll reset once more and try again20:52
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10704 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm: fix bug with packed extra head tags20:52
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10705 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm: fix regeneration of packed snippet20:52
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10706 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: fix default value for packed head tags. too dangerous to make default to on right now20:52
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10707 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): template attachments now work with packages. head_attachments and body_attachments are now documented20:52
@preactionHaarg, perlDreamer are there any of these failing tests you haven't fixed yet? 21:10
@preactionall the macro tests are failing because the packing isn't happening anymore :p21:13
ckotilthe full test. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m51541a0921:15
@Haargaside from macro tests, the only failure i see is t/Asset/Sku.t21:16
@preactionwhich is a problem with the test, it needs to set isShippingRequired as weill as shipsSeperately21:16
@preactioni'm fixing the macro tests right now21:16
@preactionHaarg: tests should be fixed now21:26
@Haargcool, thanks21:26
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10708 /WebGUI/t/ (9 files in 2 dirs): fixed tests21:47
@Haargseems the code editor is even more broken in firefox 3.522:33
ckotilI couldnt resize the window :/22:39
ckotilbut i really like how it highlights stuff22:39
+perlDreamerI think it's time to get rid of the code editor22:46
+perlDreamerit's fragile22:46
+perlDreamerI love what it _could_ do, but what it actually does is heartbreaking22:46
@preactioni'm willing to agree, until i can fork it and make it actually work22:46
+perlDreamerno need to fork it, just send the guy a patch22:49
+perlDreameron whatever browsers he has, it probably works fine22:49
+perlDreamerbut how can 1 guy cover everything out there, on every platform?22:49
+perlDreamerI'm on the soapbox again, aren't I?  Sorry about that23:00
@preactionno, but then we should keep it and report bugs against it, optionally providing patches23:06
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+perlDreameryay, I can make requests to the USPS!23:34
+perlDreamerUnfortunately, the USPS hates my request :(23:34
@preactionhow dare they?23:35
+perlDreamerwell, when the URL looks like: http://production.shippingapis.com/ShippingAPI.dll23:37
+perlDreamerit just doesn't bode well23:37
ckotilthere are some odd url extensions out there23:39
+perlDreamerah, it's probably a problem on my end23:43
+perlDreamerI just got off the phone with them, and they're cool with high volume automated tests23:44
+perlDreamerso I'll figure out what's up23:44
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+perlDreameryeah, my bad.  GET vs POST request23:49
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+perlDreamerbopbop's back!00:18
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@preactionyou scared her away!00:27
@preactionquestion: if the collab's default sort order is desc, when I as a user click on a column header, would i expect that column to sort descending or ascending?00:27
@preactionso if "unsorted" it's doing a descending sort, when i sorted it, would i expect ascending?00:27
@preactionsay i click on "title" column, the first time, unless it's already sorted by "title", i would want it sorted ascending, right?00:28
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+perlDreamerfrom a (top) to z (bottom)00:46
+perlDreamerthat's what I would expect00:46
@preactionthat's not what is happening00:46
@preactionon another note: i'm writing tests for the Collab system so I can refactor it!00:46
+perlDreamercall a medic00:47
+perlDreamerI think I'm having a heart attack00:48
+perlDreamerMartha, I'm comin' to see ya, baby!00:48
@preactioni've already found about 20 lines of useless code00:48
@preactionuh.. how do i sort by rating? is it karmaRank? wtf?00:50
@preactionrating is not one of the allowed configurable sortBy options, BUT you can sort by it using the form for some reason...00:50
+perlDreamerdanger, preaction.  Working in the CS is known to induce fits of rage and frothing at the mouth.00:53
@preactionyeah, imma gather up a list of all the crap so i can discuss it with people to make sure we're Doing The Right Thing00:54
+perlDreameris start from scratch on the list?00:54
@preactioni think the CS is salvagable00:55
@preactionwhich is why i'm building tests and refactoring00:55
@preactionwell, the real reason is I need to refactor to fix a problem with a subclass, but still00:56
+perlDreamerwe'll all benefit from the refactor, and the tests.01:07
+perlDreamerone thing about the sorting, I think that's actually a RFE'ed feature.01:07
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+perlDreamercrud, scared her away, too01:16
+perlDreamerwhat's wrong with us, preaction?01:16
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+perlDreamerI will never, ever start a project without branching for version control again01:54
+perlDreamerI will never, ever, start a project without branching for version control again01:54
+perlDreamerI will never, ever, start a project without branching for version control again.01:55
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+perlDreamerbopbop, something to file away for writing about Account modules02:07
+perlDreamerthe Contributions page only shows unarchived contributions02:07
+perlDreamerI did a search for a user by username, which gave me a whole list of assets02:08
+perlDreamerthen I clicked on his name to view his profile and contributions, and it was empty02:08
@preactiongit can work with svn repos, right?02:25
@preactionso i can create a git repo of my svn repo and clone that and then commit only what i need?02:25
@preactionperlDreamer: re: the attachment order in collab systems: Doesn't the Story Manager allow you to order attachments?02:26
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perlDreamer1yup, git can work on SVN repos02:35
perlDreamer1Haarg and patspam both know how to connect the two.02:43
+patspamgit-svn is your friend02:44
* perlDreamer1 does not like the 50 character limit on git commit messages02:46
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* perlDreamer doesn't either02:48
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+perlDreamerdinner time, hope to be back later03:29
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10710 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)11:22
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed Survey's handling of multi-answer questions (e.g. maxAnswers != 1)11:22
CIA-23WebGUI: Now stores all supplied answers to multi-answer question as arrayref11:22
CIA-23WebGUI: Variable [[var]] text replacement converts to comma-separated list11:22
CIA-23WebGUI: Expression Engine's value() returns appropriate value depending on context11:22
CIA-23WebGUI: Expression Engine's score() does sum of multi-answers, as you would expect11:22
CIA-23WebGUI: Updated related i18n & hover-help, and tests11:22
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@Haargpatspam, if there's any api enhancements i could make to wgdev to help with your padre plugin let me know.11:34
@Haargi can't get padre itself to install at this point11:34
+patspamthanks Haarg!11:37
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CIA-23WebGUI: martin * r10711 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Tax details are now stored with the transaction items they belong to.13:26
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finitesetis webgui better than Joomla ? what are WebGUI's advantages?16:50
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CIA-23WebGUI: martin * r10712 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added the methods for the pluggable tax system that add templ vars to the cart and cart items.17:07
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+perlDreamermorning, folks17:52
+MrHairgreasehey pd!17:53
SDuensinHey gang.  Figured I'd poke in and prove I'm still alive.17:57
+MrHairgreaseSDuensin: I don't buy it18:02
+MrHairgreaseeverybody knows you cannot trust prove delivered over the internet18:02
SDuensinI even have a new WebGUI site explaining my disappearance!  http://www.getrosie.com18:03
+perlDreamerSDuensin, unless it runs WebGUI, it's not that interesting :P18:06
+perlDreamerwait a sec, the _site_ runs WebGUI.18:08
+perlDreamerbut I've seen this someplace else18:08
SDuensinThat's a standard development kit.  I'm working on making our hardware better.  Our software is already better than PogoPlug.  :-D18:09
+perlDreamerwait a sec, you're doing the hardware, too?18:16
+perlDreamerSDuensin, you're a hardware hacker!18:16
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SDuensinperlDreamer - Uh, kinda.  More like I know people who are.  :-)18:18
SDuensin(But I have built an array of odd accessories for PCs over the years.)18:18
+MrHairgreasewhy do you caal the thing rosie?18:19
SDuensinWhy not?  :-)18:19
SDuensinActually, we asked around quite a bit and most people liked it.  Go figure.18:20
+MrHairgreaseIf it'scool you should prolly call it Martin18:20
+MrHairgreasejust my 2 ct18:20
SDuensinI lobbied for "Bob" just to be silly.18:21
+perlDreamerHow about Murray?18:21
+perlDreamerHe's a curmudgeonly old man with awesome hair styling, but he's very technically savvy18:21
+MrHairgreasethat would be good too18:22
SDuensinPart of the requirement was that whatever the name ended up being, it can't scare your parents.  :-)18:22
+MrHairgreasethat's one cool word perldreamer18:22
+MrHairgreasei had to look it up18:22
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CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r10716 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): 18:59
CIA-23WebGUI: - Fixed a load problem with Code Editor by making user toggle it on. This is18:59
CIA-23WebGUI:  better than normal anyway since many users appear not to want to use the18:59
CIA-23WebGUI:  editor in most cases.18:59
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CIA-23WebGUI:  editor in most cases.18:59
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+perlDreamerChuck Norris saves a bakers: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0%2C23739%2C25441767-5013016%2C00.html19:36
+perlDreamerhey, all.  Which year was the first WUC?19:45
+perlDreamerwas it 2004, or 2005?19:45
@bopbopYeah SwiftySite!!19:49
+perlDreamerisn't that awesome?!!19:49
@bopbopvery cool19:49
+perlDreamerbummer that LTR_bob isn't still in channel for some well earned kudos19:50
@bopbopno kidding19:50
@bopbopwe'll kudo him later19:50
@preactionthis swiftysite designer thing is amazing20:11
@preactioni mean, i don't understand dutch, but it works great20:11
ckotilwow! this is awsome20:15
@bopbopthey're presenting on swiftysite at the wuc too, aren't they?20:18
@bopbopyou should go, preaction- see how it's done20:18
@preactioni was there last year when they demoed the first rev, but this version is leaps and bounds20:18
@preactionand i'll be there i suspect, i get to just hang around and be mostly useless20:18
@preactionschmoozing and boozing20:19
@bopbopit has its advantages20:19
@preactionyeah, i get to see presentations instead of worrying about my own ;)20:19
@bopbopmuch more fun20:20
@bopbopyou have to hang out in my session, in case someone shows up20:20
@bopbopand has template questions20:20
+perlDreamerif he's not there, I will be20:21
@bopbopand thx20:21
@preactionoh, the clinic, yeah that's one of the main reasons i'll be there20:21
@preactionwhich means i'll miss the presentation on "The Swiftysite Technique" :'(20:22
+perlDreamerwho is this guy talking about testing?20:22
@preactionPluton is a dutch company20:22
@preactioni think it's one of Synq's20:22
ckotili wonder if google translate would work on swifty design20:23
+perlDreamerI'd like to attend, but I'm talking about the Story Manager at the same time20:23
@bopbopI'm excited to see the story manager20:23
@bopbopwhich means I'll be on hand to grill you w/ questions20:23
+perlDreameryou don't have to wait until the WUC to do that20:24
@bopbopactually, you'll likely hear from me before then since I'll be trying to wrap up some more books by wuc time20:24
+perlDreamernot a problem20:27
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@preactioni dunno about google translate, but i might have to talk to their group about the i18n.js we have20:43
ckotilworth a shot20:44
ckotilthen comes the swifty design asset20:44
+perlDreamerpreaction, have you blogged about that yet?20:52
+perlDreamerI don't think anyone except a handful of people know about it yet.20:52
+perlDreameractually, maybe I should WNN it20:53
@preactionno i haven't, it's on the docket as my next one20:53
@preactionso sometime in the next week or two20:53
@preactionthen when i finally get the Map out i can blog about how the google maps API sucks20:53
+perlDreamerI'll tease it, then20:53
+perlDreamerunless you rather I not mention it all until after your post?20:54
@preactiongo ahead, it's in there20:55
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+perlDreameranyone going to see Star Trek today?21:48
+perlDreamerFrom all the non-spoiler reviews, it's going to be good21:53
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@preactionperlDreamer: can i ask you a quick question about Devel::Cover? what does the A, B, C and "dec" mean in the HTML output?22:46
@preactioni want to get 100% coverage on the collab tests before i try to refactor, in case i screw something up22:47
+perlDreamerA, B, C and dec?22:50
+perlDreamerit's a logic table22:50
+perlDreamerA, B, and C are the various options22:50
+perlDreamerbut it will also list what they are22:50
+perlDreamerdoes that help, preaction?22:50
@preaction$self->session->form->process('sortBy') and $self->session->form->process('func') ne 'editSave' <- so in this, A is the first part, B is the second22:51
+perlDreamernot sure about dec22:51
@preactionand the logic table says that i need 3 paths through it, when both are false, when A is false and B is true, and when A is true22:51
@preactionsince when A is true, it doesn't matter what the other ones are22:52
+perlDreamernot quite22:52
+perlDreamerB doesn't matter if A if false22:52
+perlDreamersince and shortcircuits22:52
@preactionokay, now i see22:53
+perlDreamerso for a simple 2 condition AND, you have to check !A AND !B, !A AND B, A AND !B, and A AND B22:53
@preactionthe X under B means "not checked because A is already false"22:53
@preaction"dec" seems to be the total value of the expression22:53
+perlDreamermaybe it's short for "decision"?22:54
@preactionthat's what i'm thinking22:54
+perlDreamerit will take a very long time to cover all the CS at 100%22:54
@preactiondon't want all of it, just this sub22:54
* perlDreamer is going to hit the showers, then head to the movie22:55
+perlDreamerI'll check back if you have more questions22:55
@preactionthe problem is i think i need to refactor the sub in order to get some unreachable decisions22:55
@preactionor rather, decisions that no longer apply, but may still break things if removed :p22:55
+perlDreamerthen you have to test in a larger context22:55
+perlDreamermore than just the sub22:55
@preactioni think removing these lines will only break people who were migrating from 6.x or earlier22:56
@preactionsince it used to be properties could be undefined, and there was no default value22:56
@preactionanyway, have fun at the movie22:56
+perlDreamerso this would allow them to pass additional values for sorting in the URL as a query param?22:56
+perlDreamerthings that aren't specified in the asset property?22:57
@preactioni'm talking before CS was an asset, back when it was USS22:57
@preactionso there may be assets out there that do not have values for certain properties, whereas today no property goes unfilled (thanks to defaultValue and new behavior of update())22:58
@preactionthat's easily remedied with an upgrade script, of course22:58
+perlDreamerbut if you change that behavior, it needs to go through the RFE loop?22:59
+perlDreamerwhich lines are you talking about?22:59
+perlDreamernear the 980's?23:00
@preaction997 and 99823:00
@preaction$sortBy ||= 'assetData.revisionDate'23:00
@preactionwhen that's the defaultValue up in the definition23:00
@preactionthere should be no reason it reaches that point without a value23:00
+perlDreamerI see, unless the asset doesn't have that property set23:01
@preactionwhich was possible before, but no longer23:02
+perlDreamerin that case, I'd do what you were talking about earlier23:02
+perlDreamerand put something into the upgrade script, and kill those lines23:02
@preactionupgrade? or test for it?23:02
@preactioni think i should test for it for now23:02
@preactionchange as little as possible23:03
@preaction(i know, i just changed my mind)23:03
+perlDreamerit doesn't hurt to have it there.  In fact, you could merge it into the statement above23:03
@preactionbut my mind is little ;)23:03
@preactionthat too23:03
+perlDreamerit's easier to get 100% coverage on OR, since a true value cascades23:03
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@preactionworking with Devel::Cover makes testing so much more fun and easy23:43
@preactionno guessing "am i testing this thoroughly?"23:44
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CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r10718 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.pm: fixed pagination counting error and some ticket import problems20:16
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10719 /WebGUI/t/Group.t: Add a test to check for the override of expire time in addUsers.05:38
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+patspamHaarg: ping06:15
+patspamthe main thing at the moment with wgd padre plugin..06:15
+patspamis that i am running padre under one perl (my system perl, which is threaded), and wgd under wre perl06:16
+patspammeaning that i can only access wgd as if it were a binary (/data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl /data/wre/prereqs/bin/wgd <cmd> <options>)06:16
+patspamwhich is obviously a lot less powerful than if i could access wgd as a perl module06:17
@Haarglocally, i have wgd and anything else command line using a perl i compiled myself06:18
@Haargbut apache still runs using the wre06:18
+patspamso you're adding /data/WebGUI/lib to your custom perl lib includes?06:19
@Haargyeah, it's in PERL5LIB06:19
+patspamfrom memory you would have also had to do something when installing DBI::mysql to let it know about wre's mysql? or not?06:20
+patspamcan't remember why i think that, but a bell in my head was ringing..06:21
@Haargwell, the only real problem mysql is that if the hostname is localhost it tries to connect with the socket file06:21
@Haargi just have it configured as so it avoids that magic and uses tcp like you would expect06:21
+patspamah beautiful06:21
@Haargalternatively, you may be able to compile DBI::mysql against the wre's mysql libraries06:22
@Haargbut i haven't done that06:22
@Haargi haven't worked extensively on some of the commands, import/export would likely work better that edit if you continue using it as a binary though06:22
@Haargthe main problem i would see with a binary, especially if you get into something like an asset tree browser, would be speed06:23
@Haargloading all those libraries takes a long time if you have to do it multiple times06:23
+patspamyeah good point06:24
@Haargit's unfortunate that we can't build threading into the wre, but unless we had a separate developer build i don't think that would be reasonable06:24
+patspamthat's ok, it sounds like the separate perl approach will work well06:25
+patspami was wondering though, xs modules are supposed to be binary incompatible between threaded/non-threaded perl06:26
+patspamah that's ok through, because all the xs modules are in the wre, not in /data/WebGUI/lib06:26
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+patspamheh damn, too exciting, i want to run off and play with it but have to prioritise $work :(06:34
@Haargi finally got wxWidgets to install properly so i do have padre working now06:36
@Haargi'll be happy to test out stuff06:37
+patspami just switched over from Eclipse + EPIC to Padre as my IDE06:41
+patspamit still has plenty of rough edges but enough cool stuff to be worthwhile06:42
+patspamand it's improving at a ridiculous rate06:42
+patspamwhen i get a chance i'll set up a git repo for the plugin so that you can play with it06:42
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CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * re46e2c3 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Improved survey www_exportStructure - http://bit.ly/1aqe5909:05
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CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rf279bcd / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Correction to previous commit - http://bit.ly/Yq3jz09:15
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10720 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 11:10
CIA-23WebGUI: Survey Expression Engine validation++11:10
CIA-23WebGUI: Survey Expression Engine now detects invalid variable names passed to value(), score(), etc..11:10
CIA-23WebGUI: Also now detects situations where you have jump targets/expressions defined at multiple levels - thus causing precedence rules to kick in (normally this indicates a mistake)11:10
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed Survey edit page bug where TextEditor would not move after gotoExpression textarea resize caused items to move11:10
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daviddelikatany body else notice strange behaviour of the rich text editor in newer versions of WG?03:27
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elninodoes the 7.5 shop book apply to the 7.6 shop? or is the 7.6 entirely different?03:45
elninooh nevermind, it says 7.5 and higher, so then the question is, is 7.7 going to change the shop drasticlly?03:46
daviddelikathi elnino03:46
daviddelikatsorry i can't help with your question03:46
elninothat's ok. it's a sunday, I don't expect much activity on weekends.03:47
@preactionelnino: no. shop is API frozen now03:47
daviddelikatitys usually very quiet here on weekends03:47
elninook. thanks for the quick response preaction.03:47
elninoNow I wish I could ask if there is a discount if I buy two books.03:48
elninoI dont' think anyone here would know. there isn't anything on the website.03:48
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elninohi dionak! haven't seen you for a while.03:49
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10721 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed Survey "copy" button on Edit Survey page08:36
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SynQheu joeri09:52
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10722 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Survey Expressions can now access verbatim values10:20
+patspampreaction: you awake?10:31
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10723 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.pm: Fixed Survey expression validation handling of verbatim values11:50
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ryuu_rohi all, is there any chance that one of you guys has a compiled WRE for CentOs 64bit?12:10
ryuu_roand are willing to share that with me :)12:10
+bartjolwilling? no ;)12:45
+bartjolhave not either12:45
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ryuu_robartjol: thanks for nothing then ;)12:55
+bartjolI'm always the guy to get useless answers from :)12:55
ryuu_roit's almost lunchtime 12:56
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10724 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 14:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Added Survey Visualization14:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Does nothing if GraphViz module not installed (the default until wre 0.9.3)14:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Shows sections and questions as nodes, answers as edges.14:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Branch targets also show up as edges14:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Branch expression edges are currently disabled14:04
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+perlDreamerplainhao, there's a typo in my user/address book bug.  It should say 7.6 and 7.719:18
@plainhaook, thanks19:19
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dionakhey, elnino!19:27
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pvanthonywhere can wre ver 0.9.2 be downloaded?20:35
+perlDreamerpvanthony, howdy.  It seems to have been built, but not released yet.20:40
+perlDreamerI would make a follow-up post to this forum thread: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/wre-0.9.2-20:40
pvanthonyHello perlDreamer20:40
pvanthonyyes I did notice that 0.9.2 is with the VM version20:41
+perlDreamerI'm guessing that it got lost in a wave of business and maybe a conference trip.20:41
pvanthonyin the forum post, it states ver 0.9.320:44
pvanthonymaybe they would release that version.20:44
+perlDreamerright.  At the date that post was made, if anything was committed after that date (April 10, 2009), it would come out on 0.9.320:45
+perlDreamerbut 0.9.2 is supposed to be the current one20:45
pvanthonyin the latest stable release, it states that it fixed email sending20:46
pvanthonyis this the issue I was having?20:47
+perlDreameris that the WebGUI 7.6 release?20:47
+perlDreameror the WRE?20:47
pvanthonyin 7.6.2220:47
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10726 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/getThreads.t: added tests for getThreadsPaginator in Collaboration to allow future refactoring20:48
+perlDreamerif that's bug 10210, then probably not20:48
+perlDreamerthat was a bad message-Id generation20:48
+perlDreamernot workflow related at all, unfortunately20:48
@preactionCIA-23: thanks, i know i'm awesome ;)20:49
+perlDreamerwriting tests.  I always know you had it in you20:49
@preactionthere are two other "getThreads" methods that need testing yet, then we'll be good20:49
@preactioni write tests when i'm given enough time! blame the managers (of which i am one)20:49
+perlDreamerI know, just busting your chops20:50
@preactionconsider them busted ;_;20:50
+perlDreamerIn that base, it's time to start jumping through hoops for the USPS20:51
* preaction breaks out his whip and fire-ring20:52
+perlDreamerthey require you to run several XML queries through their testing server20:52
+perlDreamereven if the testing server doesn't support the service that you want to use20:52
@preactionsome days i wonder if webgui just gets lucky when it comes to not doing stupid things20:53
+perlDreameryou mean it's not due to our awesome coding prowess?20:54
@preactionwe are awesome yes, but in any development ecosystem, there has to be some weaker "prey" animals20:56
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metanilany ideas? --> Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::www_spectreStatus. Root cause: Undefined subroutine &WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::from_json20:56
@preactionmetanil: what version you running, because that's a bug20:57
@preactionor what version of JSON you have?20:57
@preactionwe shouldn't be using from_json anymore20:57
metanilpreaction: i guess pretty old.20:57
@preactionthere's a problem running old webgui with new JSON.pm20:57
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metanilpreaction: WebGUI 7.4.17-stable20:58
@preactionand that would be one of the versions affected20:58
@preactionanything pre 7.5 stable would be effected20:58
@preactioner... s/\be/a/20:58
metanilpreaction: I just recently noticed this problem20:59
metanilbecause my spectre is not working properly.20:59
@preactiondid you upgrade your WRE or your perl modules?21:00
metanilpreaction: i can't remember.. but i think i did.. 21:00
@preactionand as i said, new JSON.pm broke API with old versions21:01
@preactionso you either need to update webgui or downgrade JSON.pm21:01
metanilits WRE 0.8.121:01
metanilpreaction: is that the reason that my queued mail is not getting send?21:02
metanilpreaction: but the commit is also done by Spectre, but i guess its working fine. 21:02
@preactionbecause commit is not a scheduled task. scheduled tasks are sent to spectre using a JSON object21:03
metanilwhat about this one--> WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CommitVersionTag?21:03
@preactionthat's the activity that commits a version tag21:04
+perlDreamerit's run in realtime when you do a commit21:05
+perlDreamerif it can't complete in 55 seconds, then it dispatches it to Spectre21:05
@preactionnot in 7.4. it's sent directly to spectre21:05
metanilperlDreamer: gotcha!21:06
+perlDreameroh, that's right.21:06
metanilpreaction: really?21:06
@preactionspectre gets the scheduled tasks via JSON. then it creates instances when it needs to, which get run. the problem is that spectre is not creating instances of scheduled tasks because it can't parse the JSON21:07
@preactionso now we're back to my original comment: Upgrade WebGUI or downgrade JSON.pm21:07
metanili'll try to downgrade the WRE for not and see what happens.21:07
metanilerr.. s/not/now/21:07
metanilpreaction: is it just possible to downgrade JSON thing21:10
@preactionas i've been saying, yes21:11
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r10727 /translations/Arabic/ (188 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server21:11
@preactionhuh, arabic translation is getting an update21:11
@preactionit's now beating Spanish for 3rd place21:12
+perlDreamerit's been ahead of Spanish always21:14
+perlDreamerby like 0.2%21:14
+perlDreamerif you look at that commit, it just reformats the perl and adds the use utf8 line to each file.21:16
+perlDreameraccording to the WNN i18n analyzer, Arabic has been at 60% since May 3rd21:22
+perlDreamerand, quoting the recently released 3rd issue of WNN, the only language that isn't losing ground is German.21:23
+perlDreameroh, and French21:23
+perlDreamertheir work has just been enough to get them some gain to offset all the new i18n going into the system21:24
+perlDreamerawesome t-shirt: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QW-CHEATSHEET&Category_Code=QW21:24
@preactionyeah, this is like the "everyone should know this if the world dies" t-shirt21:30
+perlDreamerooh, do you have a URL for that?21:31
@preactionyou're looking at it21:32
+perlDreamerI see.  I thought you meant that it reminded you of another t-shirt _like_ that one21:33
@preactionoh, no21:33
@preactionthough there's little chemistry info, and chemistry would probably be the second most-important knowledge after health21:33
pvanthonywas trying out the beta.webgui and notice a new item in shop catogory21:38
pvanthonyis this fully working?21:39
pvanthonytried to use it but could not really get it to work21:39
pvanthonyor is this still in development21:40
+perlDreamerit should be fully working21:40
@preactionit should work fine21:40
pvanthonyok then I did not do it right.21:40
pvanthonyany documentation around.21:41
pvanthonyin the wiki?21:41
@preactionnot really. do you have a Thingy with a Thing or two?21:41
pvanthonyCreated a thingy. Simple one flat.21:41
@preactionbut it has a Thing in it?21:41
pvanthonythen proceeded to create thing-record21:42
pvanthonyto link to the thingy21:42
pvanthonythe idea was to create only one field to be linked to the shop21:43
pvanthonyso if the customer fills that feild then and only then they will be charged.21:44
pvanthonyI was thinking to create the thingy frist then create the thingy-record to make one of the fields in the thingy payable.21:45
@preactioncreate the Thingy. create the Thing inside of it that the user should be adding records to. Then create the ThingyRecord sku to allow users to add records to that Thing21:47
* perlDreamer goes running21:52
pvanthonylets say I create a thingy called Talents21:53
pvanthonywith feilds, name and telephone21:53
pvanthonyI want to charge $10 for the telehpone feild21:53
pvanthonyso I create a thingy-record linked to talent thingy at the telephone feild.21:54
pvanthonyso when the customer fills in the data in the thingy form with telephone number, the cart has 10 dollars added.21:55
@preactionno, not right. what you're doing is linking the ThingyRecord to the Thingy, and allowing them to only fill out the Telephone field at a cost21:55
@preactionthe ThingyRecord only adds records to Thingy21:55
@preactionit doesn't modify existing ones. you can still use Thingy as-is21:56
pvanthonywhat if we allow customers to fill their names for free but what to charge if they add the telephone number?21:58
@preactionthe ThingyRecord allows users who are normally unprivileged for that Thing to add records21:58
@preactionthen make a new Thing and have it link to the first Thing with names21:58
@preactionthen the user selects their name and adds a phone number21:58
@preactionso two things, one for names, one for phone numbers.21:59
pvanthonyok now I get it21:59
pvanthonythingy-record can only to charges for one thingy not one feild of a thingy22:00
pvanthonythat is, do charges for one thingy not one feild of a thingy22:01
pvanthonyso if there is a form with 5 feilds that need to be charged, 5 more thingy have to be created and linked to thingy-record.22:02
@preactionthingy record charges for one record in one thingy, but it tracks its records seperately22:03
pvanthonysorry I do not get it then22:03
@preactionit cannot charge for a record that was not created using ThingyRecord22:03
@preactionimagine it more like a Classified Ad system22:04
@preactionif you want to charge seperately for each field, then yes you would need to have seperate things22:05
pvanthonyplus we have to create one more thingy to link all the feilds into one form. Correct?22:06
@preactionyou could do that, or you could make an SQLReport that would combine all the fields22:08
@preactionalternatively, you could enhance / subclass the ThingyRecord to do what you want22:09
pvanthonywhat I was hoping for is to do something like this, http://www.lsvasiadirectory.com/home/normal22:10
pvanthonyif the customer fills in the part B, then he will be charged.22:10
pvanthonyeach feild has a different price22:11
@preactionyou would be far better served by making this a custom Sku, using the ThingyRecord as a base22:11
pvanthonyoh no. I am not a programmer.22:13
@preactionor, as i mentioned, making it so each field that a user is allowed to enter has a price (so that the ThingyRecord could be used)22:13
@preactionplain black (and others) does programming22:13
pvanthonyok noted.22:13
@preactionwe could develop the feature and put it into webgui (at a cost, of course)22:13
@preactionotherwise, if you want it free, you can submit an RFE to webgui.org/rfe and wait (whereas paying money will get you the feature right now)22:14
pvanthonythanks for explaining how to use the thingy-record22:15
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metanilpreaction: any ways to find the current version of JSON on the wre?22:43
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@Haarg/data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -mJSON -le'print JSON->VERSION'22:48
metanilHaarg: thanks22:54
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metanilstill no luck .WebGUI 7.4.17-stable WRE 0.8.1 JSON 1.1  --->  Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::www_spectreStatus. Root cause: Undefined subroutine &WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::from_json23:00
@Haargare you certain all of your files are from 7.4.17?23:03
@Haargfrom_json is from JSON 2.0, which we switched to in 7.4.2223:04
metanilso you mean the Operation::Spectre.pm should not be using from_json()?23:05
@Haargnot in 7.4.1723:05
metanilfile /data/WebGUI/docs/changelog is 7.4.1723:06
metanilfile /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm is also 7.4.1723:07
@Haargwhat are you doing to see those errors?23:11
metanili went to admin console->settings->Spectre23:11
metanil(moreover, my queued mail is also not being send)23:12
@Haargand that showed up in the error log?23:12
@Haargcan you pastebin /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm ?23:12
metanilyes and that error showed up in webgui log23:13
metanilHaarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d12eea06723:15
@Haargthat file is not from 7.4.1723:16
@Haarghave you made any code modifications?23:17
metaniloops!! .. (how can it be)23:17
metanilyes i did lots of code modificatioh23:17
@Haargyou might want to do a diff with stock 7.4.1723:18
metanilits not like i haven't played with newer version.. but this one suppose to be 7.4.1723:18
@Haargif you can do a full diff with a stock copy of 7.4.17 that would help fixing this issue23:21
metanilHaarg: yes i just did whole project directory comparison with the stock one, they're different23:21
metanilstock use jsonToObj .. my version use from_json23:21
metanilthe first file i saw is Admin.pm23:22
metaniland same goes with Operation/Spectre.pm23:22
metanilHaarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d724e406823:23
@Haargi mean, can you pastebin a full diff of the dirs?23:23
metanileverything is same. except from_json and to_json23:23
metanili used meld to compare them23:24
@Haargit might be possible to upgrade to json 2.0, but we were resolving bugs with that upgrade for a while afterward, so unless you want to upgrade to the latest 7.4, it might be easier to change them back to be compatible with json 1.x23:27
metanilHaarg: sorry my bad.. now i remember.. last time (may be 7-8 month ago), i tried to use latest version of WRE for old WebGUI and the first place it didn't work is due to JSON call. Then i replace all with the newer call. But somehow again, it didn't work, so i reverted back to old wre. however, i pressume to revert the webgui.. :( (damn me!)23:30
metanilerr... however, i pressume i forgot to revert the webgui23:30
metanilthe current version is still 7.4.17 except the call to json is replace by the newer call. 23:31
metanili guess should be ok, if replace the newer call with the older one (like jsonToObj)23:32
@Haargyeah, that should be ok23:32
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+perlDreamerpreaction: test #8 is failing on the getThreads test00:07
+perlDreamergot: undef, expected; 'desc'00:07
@preactionokay, that's trying to get the scratch value, which should be filled in by getThreadsPaginator00:08
@preaction("should" being a word to describe current behavior, i hope to excise that stupidity)00:08
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+perlDreameryou know, if you fix enough things in the CS maybe the rumors of its demise will go away...00:09
@preactionthat's what i'm hoping. it is a good platform for building apps when you subclass it00:11
@preactionbut i still want the specific assets to be built, the Blog asset, the Story Manager, the Gallery, etc...00:11
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* perlDreamer wants to use the Blog asset00:13
@preactionwhy can't the Story Manager be used for Blogging? is it too big?00:13
+perlDreamerNo comments00:13
+perlDreamerNo trackbacks00:13
+perlDreamerNo remote authentication00:13
@preactionoh, API stuff00:14
+perlDreamerIt's just as bad as using the CS for blogging, probably worse00:14
@preactionremote auth is a WebGUI tool, will be added in 8 (well, Auth will be rewritten with OpenID in mind)00:14
+perlDreameralthough the Story Manager is pretty light weight, all three assets only take 1772 lines, including POD, whitespace and comments00:15
@preactionyeah that's like 1/3 of the CS00:15
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@preactionbut then, the CS should get reduced once i clean out some bitrot and some more aspects are made00:15
@preactionif you can, perlDreamer, go over that getThreads.t test and see what behavior doesn't make sense to you. my plan is to test the CS as-is and let others make judgements over how stupid it's being00:16
+perlDreamerI'll try to have a look later today.00:17
@preactionno rush, there are plenty of tests left to write00:17
+perlDreamerI guess I'm still not sure why that one test is failing.  Is it failing on your dev setup as well?00:18
@preactionno, they all passed when i committed. let me check though00:19
+perlDreamermaybe it's some uncommitted CS code00:20
@preactionyeah, all tests pass for me00:22
@preactionit's also a pretty dangerous operation, checking the scratch like that. i only tested it because it's what the CS does, and i want to refactor that part out of getThreadsPaginator into a getSortBy00:22
+perlDreamerfrom what I see, it's either going to set the sortBy, or the sortDir, never both00:24
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+perlDreamerand there's a copy/paste error in the test comment for the failing test.  I just committed a fix for that00:27
+perlDreamerhm, since it's scratch, it can accumulate across calls in a valid set of requests00:28
+perlDreamerbut the scratch is cleared out just before the sortBy from form tests00:29
@preactionyeah, that's why i try to delete it afterward when i am not testing if it should stay00:29
@preactionoh wait, maybe i updated the CS to update both scratch no matter what00:29
+perlDreamersvn diff tells all00:29
@preactionthat would be what i did00:29
@preactioni'll commit that00:30
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+perlDreamerHaarg has been back porting all new tests to help with 7.6 debug.  We should let him know not to do that unless he modifies the test first.00:30
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@preactionthe problem i have is that getThreadsPaginator is what handles the flipping of sorting. if you use getThreadsPaginator twice in one request that contains a sortBy= form param, you get two different answers00:31
+perlDreamerin other words, it would be nice to have getThreadyPaginator just get the paginator, and let some other method do all the form handling and mode flipping?00:32
@preactionright, preferably view() would do that00:32
@preactionweb-facing methods should handle web data and web input00:32
+perlDreamerwww_view, even better00:33
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+perlDreamerhaving done the hoop jumping manuever, our hero now calls the post office in an attempt to get his account upgraded00:34
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10728 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/getThreads.t: Fix a test comment.00:52
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10729 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: collab now always sets sortOrder scratch, for better testing00:52
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CIA-23WebGUI: ernesto * r10730 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/editarea/edit_area/ (images/Thumbs.db plugins/test/images/Thumbs.db): Remove stray Windows' Thumbs.db files.03:07
CIA-23WebGUI: ernesto * r10731 /WebGUI/www/extras/editarea/edit_area/ (images/Thumbs.db plugins/test/images/Thumbs.db): Remove stray Windows' Thumbs.db files.03:07
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10732 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made Survey date picker more i18n-generic until we support proper i18n03:44
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10733 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 16:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Refactored Survey for more happy endings16:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Refactored www_submitQuestions to use utility submitQuestions sub (for ease of testing)16:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Replaced numeric flags, completedCode etc..16:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Added restart() and exitUrl() to the Expression Engine16:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Added more Survey instance tests16:04
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r10734 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (16 files): Update from translation server16:57
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r10735 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (PayDriver_ITransact.pm Asset.pm WebGUI.pm): Update from translation server16:57
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SquOnkGreetings everyone17:39
SquOnkFYI, I've already packaged 7.6.22 for Debian _Sid_ and it's working fine17:41
SquOnkI expect an sponsored upload to Debian next week17:41
SquOnkThe package can be made to work in Debian Lenny with little effort.17:42
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CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r10736 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (5 files): Update from translation server17:52
+perlmonkey2hmm, no perldreamer today18:03
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+perlDreamercool!  Somebody is translating Dutch again!19:16
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@tavistogreat news19:21
@tavistoand it's not bart jol, the big dutch girly man?19:21
* perlDreamer doesn't know19:22
+perlDreamerbut he's not in IRC, so I'm guessing that he's breaking down walls or something19:22
@Haargbleh.  i can't wait until we switch to template toolkit.21:22
@Haargevery time i use html::template i hate it more21:22
@preactionamen brother21:22
* SquOnk wishes for a switch to DBIx::Class instead21:38
SquOnkThat would make so many things easier...21:38
@preactionSquOnk: there's a DBIx::Class::WebGUI you can use if you want21:39
@preactionor there's also WebGUI::Crud21:39
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+perlDreamerwhat's so cool about DBIx::Class?21:44
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+perlDreamermmmmm, mango/vanilla protein shake23:11
+perlDreamerit's not as good as pizza23:11
+perlDreamerbut don't tell my trainer that I said that23:11
@preactionthat actually sounds pretty good23:16
@preactionbut why not just increase protein in diet?23:16
@preactionyou're in Oregon! you get cheap seafood. unlike Wisconsin :p23:16
+perlDreamerwant me to bring you some at the WUC?23:18
+perlDreamerrizen and I see eye to eye on seafood23:18
+perlDreamerwhich means, when you order surf and turf, you pass the surf over to the wife23:19
@preactionshrimp is like candy of the ocean!23:22
+perlDreamershrimp is good23:22
@preactionor sushi!23:22
* perlDreamer always gets confused. sushi==raw fish, or vegetables?23:23
@preactionsushi is the rice23:23
+perlDreamerone is sushi, the other is sashimi23:23
@preactionsashimi is raw fish over sushi rice23:23
+perlDreamerin that case, I'm digging the sushi, but leave the fish bait off of it23:23
@preactionmaki is the "sushi" you know, with the fish and the veggies rolled up in sushi rice23:23
ChizadMan, this sushi talk is making me hungry, and I just ate about an hour ago.23:25
Chizadalso, IIRC nigiri is the raw fish over sushi rice, and sashimi is just thin slices of raw fish.23:26
@preactionyeah, that sounds right23:27
ChizadEither way, they're both very tasty. :)23:29
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dionakyou guys are making me hungry23:42
@preactionthen i won't go into the details on how i made home-made tortellini last night23:43
@tavistopreaction, you got Olive Garden to go. I saw you there23:44
@preactiondon't tell THEM that23:44
@preactionbesides, they don't make pasta from scratch either23:44
@preactionthey have MACHINES23:44
+perlDreamerno one makes pasta without a machine23:45
dionakoh, i thought they ordered it frozen (olive garden)23:45
+perlDreamerwe have this little hand crank one23:45
@tavistoperlDreamer has fisher price play-doh machine23:46
@preactionyeah, i want me one of thems hand-crank ones23:46
+perlDreamertavisto is jealous, cuz he got a Easy Bake oven instead23:47
@tavistowhy would I be jealous of you when I have an easy bake oven? are you insane!23:47
+perlDreamerbecause I'll be cranking out the pasta long after you run out of chococake mix and pink frosting23:48
@tavistohave fun poisoning your brain with blue play doh spaghetti... I'm making & eating chocolate cake and brownies!23:48
@tavistoI think you'll be dead after 1 plate of play doh sketti23:48
+perlDreamerblue is fine, it's the yellow you have to watch out for23:48
@tavistowe'll bring some to WUC and you'll have to prove it to me23:49
+perlDreamerI'll bring the marinara23:51
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ekennedy_I've got an RFE (#10253) that I've received permission to commit.  I'm good with submitting the code changes via SVN, however, the change also adds a column to the DataForm table.  Am I to add the code within an upgrade script to handle that or do I communicate it to someone else who does if for me?02:12
@preactionekennedy_: add the column within the appropriate upgrade script02:13
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+perlDreamerwe should have told him about RFE day tomorrow.02:31
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+perlDreamerjust committed the USPS shipping driver, and I'd love any feedback y'all have about it03:06
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10738 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 8 dirs): 03:15
CIA-23WebGUI: Add USPS Shipping Driver with tests, and i18n.03:15
CIA-23WebGUI: Change the Ship, Cart to do exception handling when calling a shipping driver,03:15
CIA-23WebGUI: as that's the message passing interface between the modules.03:15
CIA-23WebGUI: Add a noFormProcess field property that is recognized by processPropertiesFromFormPost.03:15
@preactionperlDreamer: code looks solid to me. why all the private methods instead of public methods? is there a special reason?03:35
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+perlDreamerpreaction, they aren't meant to be called by anyone but me04:04
+perlDreamerso that's why I marked them private04:04
+perlDreamerand thank you very much for the review04:05
@preactiondoesn't mean they couldn't be useful to someone else, in a macro perhaps?04:06
@preactionthe calculate one especially04:06
@preactioni dunno how shipdrivers work, maybe i'm off-base04:06
+perlDreamer(I think) everything a caller would need is ->calculate, rather than building the XML, submitting the request, and then reconciling XML data with the shippable units04:07
+perlDreameralthough, if getShippableUnits is as useful as I think it is, it will be promoted to ShipDriver04:08
+perlDreamersince the UPS code will use it, too04:08
@preactiongood to know when trying to debug that the production server has code with bugfixes that SVN doesn't have...04:23
+perlDreamerthat's bad04:24
@preactionyeah, little bit04:25
+perlmonkey2woohoo, my G1 comes in tomorrow.  I bet android market wouldn't reject a Gallery app because the default template looks like a Polaroid.  04:35
@preactioni was under impression that android didn't have a central app server, or at least it's controlled by people who believe in a free market04:42
+Radix-wrkAhh.. you're getting a G1 eh.. not going to wait for the nicer sapphire/magic handset? :)04:55
+Radix-wrksaw a video of samsung's new android handset in action yesterday - looks nice.. tho still lots of stuff to fix in their software it looks like04:56
+Radix-wrkpreaction: android has an app server.. and it's controlled, but not as much as the apple app market is from what I've heard - that may change of course04:58
@preactionbut i can install whatever i want on my android phone, w/o using their app server, right?05:06
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+perlDreamerat what point does one throw caution aside and decide to publish the details of bad technical support?05:11
+perlmonkey2Radix-wrk: nicer?  I didn't think the magic was going to be nicer05:14
+perlmonkey2lcd keyboard....fail05:14
+perlmonkey2and other than the lack of keyboard, giving it a slighter smaller lighter frame, and a marginally upgraded battery, it is the same machine.05:15
@preactionperlDreamer: after one is finally satisfied05:15
+perlmonkey2preaction: yes, you can install whatever you want from your machine.  05:15
+perlDreamerI was having problems with the API docs.  I told them that.  I sent them the XML I was sending, and the response from their server.05:18
+perlDreamerI called out the pages in the spec05:18
+perlDreamerHis response was " I have verified your account is active and everything on our side is up and running correctly. I would suggest contacting your 3rd party shopping cart for assistance."05:18
+perlDreamerI AM the 3rd party shopping cart05:18
+perlDreamerI don't know whether to email him back and try to explain05:21
+perlDreameror to publish this on my blog05:21
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10739 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): Improved performance for large numbers of asset instantiations05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r10740 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm: merged 1073905:22
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10741 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Improved handling of Survey restart05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10742 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: More Survey refactoring05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: refactored out repetitive checking of takenCount05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: added i18n template variables to Survey template so that user is told what happened for timeouts etc..05:22
+perlDreamerpatspam++ for remembering the Help05:23
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ekennedyQuestion:  Is there a way to install an different version of Webgui in an existing wre installation? This is for test purposes so I'm not worried about hammering the exisitng databases.05:29
+perlDreamerekennedy, there's a couple of ways to do tht05:30
+perlDreamerthe most common way is to symlink directories to /data/WebGUI05:30
+perlDreamerwhich would let you change between many versions05:31
+perlDreameranother way is via git, which makes switching between branches quite painless05:31
+perlDreamerI'd recommend the first, unless you're quite proficient with git05:31
+perlDreamerwhich /me is not05:31
ekennedyIts been a few years since I've done a source install of WebGUI but I assume that is what I will want to do to create the desired environment.05:32
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+Radix-wrkperlmonkey2, personally not a fan of physical keyboards on phones - a good onscreen keyboard works better imho and they just add bulk to the phone.  The HTC Magic looks very slim in comparison so less weight in the pocket.05:46
+perlmonkey2I wonder how Google is making money with Android?  I read so far only 3% of handheld web traffic is via Android.  Are they hoping it will eventually drive enough search traffic?05:52
@preactiondeals with vendors to provide support perhaps?05:53
+perlmonkey2makes sense05:54
+Radix-wrkandroid has barely gotten off the ground tho06:00
+Radix-wrkit's only available in one phone atm06:01
+Radix-wrkand google win by just making google maps/search/etc all ubiquitous on your phone06:01
+Radix-wrkthe more phones that come out powered by android, the more google wins marketshare of the handset market06:02
@preactionyes, but what does marketshare mean to google when android is F/OSS06:04
+perlDreamerthen doesn't it become F/OSS vs proprietary?06:05
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@preactionthe HTC Magic looks pretty nice06:06
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10743 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: Fix a POD whitespace problem in SurveyJSON.06:07
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10744 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fix POD syntax errors in Survey.pm06:07
@preactionand now, again, i want to wait to buy a new phone because i want to see if the openness of android leads to better software than the idiots at apple06:07
+Radix-wrkf/oss just means it's possible for other vendors to add support for their stuff - but doesn't mean they will06:08
+Radix-wrkMS is still pushing their Windows mobile stuff.. apple still pushing iPhone.06:09
+Radix-wrkInterestingly enough, Symbian OS is open source now too06:09
@preactionyeah, but symbian has always sucked06:10
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+Radix-wrkSo I think MS will still control the corporate market for the time being.. apple will have the artsy geeks, and android will be aimed at the hacker/geek market who want more flexibility/customisation06:12
+Radix-wrkand of course there's a few others.. blackberries OS, Palm's WebOS06:13
@preactioni heard BB was going to android06:14
+Radix-wrkit's an interesting market atm.. lots of interesting developments and changes06:14
+Radix-wrkI think android has the potential to be great.. it all depends on the next few handsets06:14
@preactionyes, but if you want something that works well now, go with iphone06:15
+perlmonkey2Radix-wrk: what's wrong with the G1?06:15
@preactionin 3 years i suspect android will be top dog06:15
+perlDreameryou think it will appeal to the mass market?06:17
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: there is only a single phone out and it accounts for 3% of online mobile traffic.  That seems pretty huge to me.06:19
@preactioni think the openness will appeal to users and vendors alike06:20
@preactionit's basically a free OS for them to use06:20
@preaction(provided their hardware is supported, hence building new phones to take advantage of it)06:20
+Radix-wrkperlmonkey2, my only problem with the G1 was the keyboard.. I find those keyboards too dicky.. tiny little buttons on em06:20
@preactionit's the ubuntu of phones, only more awesome because of the difference in the platform06:21
@preactionandroid could be a huge win for f/oss06:21
+perlmonkey2android 1.5 has some opengl support.  How long before 3D games :P06:21
+Radix-wrkonscreen keyboards have the disadvantage in that they take up screen realestate.. but they are much better at touch typing on06:21
+Radix-wrkwindows mobile and iphone os both have opengl support also06:22
+Radix-wrkbiggest problem with the games on them has been how to interact.. touch screen or keyboard.. especially with every device being different (some having d-pad, some not)06:22
+perlmonkey2a visor mount and a bluetooth keyboard and it could be a workable terminal :P06:22
+Radix-wrkI have a htc touch diamond phone atm.. will stick with this until android stabilises and more phones come out I think06:24
+Radix-wrklove the size of this phone tho.. it's tiny06:24
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+perlmonkey2the only thing that would draw me to the iphone is the kindle app.06:25
+Radix-wrkAhh.. you read ebooks on your phone?06:25
+perlmonkey2I've never had a phone that could do it.06:25
+Radix-wrkthat's the #1 application for me on my existing phone - ebook reader06:25
+perlmonkey2But my bro-in-law showed me his iphone with the kindle app, and the text was very readable.06:25
+perlmonkey2I probably wouldn't kill for it, but I might consider harsh words :P06:26
+Radix-wrkI've been reading ebooks on my phone for about 5 years now06:26
+Radix-wrkmicrosoft reader and tiny ebook reader are both great06:26
+Radix-wrkiphone has text/pdf/html ebook readers already tho06:28
+Radix-wrktho a dedicated reader app is a bit better than your typical app for viewing text files (remembers where you are, allows bookmarks, etc)06:28
+Radix-wrkit's great to carry a few hundred books around me all the time tho - read on the train on the way to work.. continue reading over lunch.. read while waiting in a queue.. read while on the treadmill at the gym.. etc06:30
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+perlmonkey2hmm, how would you read on the treadmill?  Going to drip sweat on your $400 handheld?06:32
+perlDreameryou park it on the console06:32
+Radix-wrkI put it on the treadmill itself on the rail in front of the display - and have a sweat towel for dealing with drips ;)06:33
+perlmonkey2heh, makes sense.06:34
+Radix-wrkjust gotta keep pressing the next page key regularly that's all06:34
+Radix-wrkI don't usually run on the treadmill tho.. just a fast paced walk on an incline.. running would be too hard06:34
+perlmonkey2Radix-wrk: heh, I hear that brother.  Once I realized how hard it was on an incline, I decided to never run again, barring velociraptors or going to see the visiting Swedish bikini team.06:40
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CIA-23WebGUI: Fix the logic in t/Asset/Sku.t. Add tests to make sure that the06:42
CIA-23WebGUI: shipsSeparately method is tested.06:42
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CIA-23WebGUI: Update test to make getListings work. It used the defaultSort value, which was06:42
CIA-23WebGUI: set to an invalid column.06:42
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elninohi. you saw me quick!06:45
elninoperlDreamer,   before I go promising people stuff.. the SMS.. is that in webgui yet? I think we talked about this a while ago.06:46
+perlDreamershould be in there by end of tomorrow06:46
+perlDreamerso, in 7.7.706:46
elninoah beta06:46
+perlDreamerwell, an enterprising programmer should be able to backport it if necessary06:46
elninoand 7.7 is released when? this summer?06:46
* perlDreamer is not sure when it goes stable06:47
@tavistoperldreamer, which should we apply for... integrator or provider?06:47
+perlDreamerelnino, we should check the roadmap to see if it's on there06:49
elninonot mentioned on http://www.webgui.org/webgui/roadmap06:50
+perlDreamermaybe preaction will say something about it...06:50
@preactionabout what?06:51
+perlDreamerwhen does 7.7 go stable?06:51
elninoand that06:51
@preactionright before the WUC06:51
elninoand ... sms doesn't cost US (the sender) anything right? she wants a work flow that sends text messages on a particular frequency06:51
+perlDreamerI think it depends on the provider06:52
elnino...so I just write a workflow for a subscription. right06:52
+perlDreamermost providers get you coming and going06:52
@preactionwhy aren't we just using an SMS-email gateway?06:52
elninothats what I thought (email gateway)06:52
elninocell to cell costs money. but email to cell?06:53
+perlDreamerthat would only cost the receiver?06:53
elninocool. thanks for confirming.06:53
@preactioni'm not confirming anything, i didn't write it06:53
elninoconfirming the email gateway thing/and only costing the receiver.06:54
elninowhether webgui works is another store. =)06:54
@preactionthere are SMS-email gateways and they only cost the reciever, dunno if we'll use them06:54
elninoso Ihave to sign up for an sms email gateway. 06:54
elninoI vaguely remember this converstaion.06:54
elninosorry if it's repeat.06:55
@preactionno, providers each have their own sms-email gateway06:55
elninook. backup. my customer wants people to sign up for a subscription of some sort, that will periodically send them (the customer) a text message. (think weather report for your area) 06:56
elninoI imagine that the customer wil provide their own email gateway to their cell phone06:56
elninoand I just write a workflow to send the text message to the customer's cell.06:57
@preactionthey could, sure06:57
@preactionyou'd be sending an e-mail though06:57
@preactionthe gateway would make it into an SMS message and send it to the user06:57
elninoright. like #####@tmobile.com - which the customer will have in their profile somewhere I imagine.06:57
@preactionalternatively, you can have them type in their mobile phone number, and give their carrier, and you can try to figure out what their SMS gateway e-mail address is06:58
@preactionhaving them provide the e-mail address is safer though06:58
@tavistoyeah those are usually in a standardized format06:58
+perlDreamerso there's no general gateway, that would map any cell phone number to the provider?06:59
elninoone for tmoble, one for verizon, http://www.mutube.com/projects/open-email-to-sms/gateway-list/07:00
elninoshould webgui be listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateways#Carrier-Provided_E-Mail_or_Web_to_SMS_Gateways under "SMS Gateway Software"?07:02
elninowhatcha thinkin?07:02
@preactionno, it's not itself an SMS gateway07:03
* perlDreamer is thinking that the SMS system that I am thinking of is more along the lines of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateway#API_based_3rd_Party_Bulk_SMS_Gateways07:03
@preactiona gateway implies that it transforms a submitted message into an SMS message and sends it out over the phone network07:04
@preactionso, like, using a modem07:06
elninoI guess, using that definition, the modem is the actuall cell phone. no?07:09
elninoor the cell phone provider themselves.07:10
@preactionthe modem is the phone, the gateway takes a request and transfers it to the phone07:17
* elnino goes to bed to think more.07:20
ekennedyIs there anyone on-line that can help with an SVN password reset?07:25
+perlDreamerekennedy: that would be Haarg, preaction or rizen07:26
* perlDreamer would recommend coming back tomorrow morning at 9:00pm CDT for RFE day.07:27
+perlDreamerthere will be a whole lot of hacking going on07:27
ekennedyThe day job will be in the way.  I've got an RFE to commit and wanted to try to get it before a bunch of other changes are submitted assuming that the RFE day is productive.07:28
+perlDreamerekennedy, can you send me a SVN diff?  I'll commit it for you.07:29
+perlDreamerbut we should get your SVN password cleared up anyway07:29
ekennedyperlDreamer - I'll see if I can't find a newer password somewhere on my system and if I don't I send a note to JT to get a new one.  If he sees it in the morning maybe I can get it in before taking off.  Thanks for your help!07:31
+perlDreameryou bet, ekennedy07:31
@preactioni'd help, but i'm afraid i don't know who you are07:35
+perlDreamerpreaction, I'll vouch for ekennedy07:38
+perlDreamersame IRC nick as username on the site, see the RFE about reply filter07:39
+perlDreamertime for this old man to go to bed.07:40
+perlDreamerhappy hacking, all07:40
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ekennedypreaction: I was just drafting a message to JT.  Can I e-mail you the original message I had from JT giving me svn access as some kind of proof?  Or would you rather than I just send a note to JT?  I get it if that is your preference.  Thanks.07:49
@preactionekennedy: perlDreamer vouches for you. what you want your new password to be?07:54
@preactionekennedy: email it to doug@plainblack.com, that way i have an audit trail to CMA07:54
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10749 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): 12:16
CIA-23WebGUI: Added Survey feedback template12:16
CIA-23WebGUI: Added survey feedback template and method for returning the templated feedback for a given response12:16
CIA-23WebGUI: Used this to clean up the default survey template, and updated the i18n and help12:16
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10750 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added www_showFeedback to Survey so that you can dial up response feedback on demand12:42
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carograycan anyone answer questions about website statistics - awstats in particular and being hosted on Plain Black servers?16:17
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CIA-23WebGUI: martin * r10751 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Refactored genereation of tranasaction related tmpl_vars into WG::Shop::Transaction->getTransactionVars.17:09
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+perlDreamergreat change, MrHairgrease!17:52
+MrHairgreasewhat change17:53
+MrHairgreasedid I change?17:53
+perlDreamerrefactoring out those template variables17:53
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah17:53
+perlDreamerso they aren't copy/pasted17:53
+MrHairgreasethey were _almost_ copy/pasted =)17:53
+MrHairgreasethey differed both one line or so17:54
+MrHairgreasebut both could use each others missing line17:54
+MrHairgreaseI was about to add a tmpl_var to the skus called pricePlusTax17:55
+MrHairgreasewhich would contain the getPrice plus the dafult tax that is applied to it17:55
+MrHairgreasedefault tax being the tax that would be applied when no shipping address is given17:56
+MrHairgreaseI though it would be easy, but there's no centralized tmpl_var generation thingy in all skus17:56
+perlDreamerno, there's not :(17:56
+MrHairgreaseso I prolly have to add it everywhere17:56
+MrHairgreasewhich sucks17:56
+MrHairgreaseI did add a getPriceWithTax sub to WG::A::Sku in my working tree already17:57
+MrHairgreasebut I'm wondering if there would be a better way17:57
+MrHairgreaseany ideas?17:58
+perlDreamerMrHairgrease, this is what I'd do.18:01
+perlDreamerI'd start making such a subroutine18:01
+perlDreamerand make sure that all the child classes call it18:01
+perlDreamerthat way it only has to be done once18:01
+perlDreamerand we can begin moving common stuff back up into Sku->getTemplateVariables as needed/when time permits18:02
* perlDreamer has to run to a meeting18:02
+MrHairgreaseyeah, that was what I was planning on18:02
+MrHairgreaseok 18:02
+perlDreamertrying to get some school loans for Kathy18:02
+MrHairgreasesuck em dry pd18:02
+perlDreamerthe EU way of higher education is much less expensive, but I hear they tax y'all to death18:02
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@tavistoI got back the USPS provider account info18:23
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+perlDreamertavisto, how does it sound?19:53
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@tavistowell doesn't mean much to me but I passed it on to Graham and JT so that they can play with it20:06
+perlDreamerHaarg, I need to commit a template that is going to end up in a weird place because of the import/parent problem.20:18
+perlDreamerwould it be safer to export the whole subfolder?20:18
@Haargwe should probably just fix the root problem20:19
@Haargfor now just do the single template20:19
+perlDreamerOkay.  If i can come back around and look at the import/parent issue, I'll let you know.20:20
+perlDreameras long as I get it fixed by 7.7.7 release time, it won't matter20:20
+perlDreamerer, 7.7.6 rather20:20
zmkis there an intended way to make the default view of a gallery the thumbnail view? Can't figure out how to do it except by manually linking to ?func=thumbnails ..20:27
@preactionzmk: not presently, no. but there's an RFE out there for it I believe20:28
+perlDreamer(meaning I just committed one)20:29
+perlDreameranybody seen RFESlasherMcGurk today?20:29
@Haargyes, over there ->20:31
zmkpreaction: thanks!20:31
@Haargbunch of crap came up today though20:31
+perlDreamerI'll be committing 4 RFEs today20:31
+perlDreamerif all goes well ;)20:31
@preactionbunch of crap my ass, this week has been a hellstorm20:32
+perlDreamerit's been pretty constant the last month20:32
@preactionnah, yesterday JT's world exploded, of course he was off-world at the time (as usual for these things to happen), so there were some fun things20:33
@preactionone day the world will fear him enough to not explode when he stops looking, but until that day...20:33
+perlDreamerhopefully he was heading to a small blue/green world where the rays of the sun will evoke his latent alien powers20:34
@preactionwell, that's what Graham and I are for :p20:34
+perlDreamerhave you pointed out to him that bad things happen when he goes away?20:34
+perlDreamerhoster fires20:34
+perlDreamerexploding planets20:34
+perlDreamermight be better just to stay at home20:35
+perlDreamerthat happens to my boss20:35
+perlDreamerwhen he goes to Florida there's some major terrorist issue that comes up and disrupts airline travel20:35
+perlDreamerex-boss, I should say20:37
CIA-23WebGUI: sno * r10753 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CleanLoginHistory.pm: 20:41
CIA-23WebGUI: Add retain last login yesNo option. If configured to retain, workflow will determine if20:41
CIA-23WebGUI: the last login would be removed from the login history and will skip deleting that entry.20:41
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10754 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): 20:41
CIA-23WebGUI: RFE for making an user's inbox filterable by the person who sent it.20:41
CIA-23WebGUI: Includes template changes, i18n, help and tests.20:41
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10755 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Setting.pm t/Session/Setting.t): 20:41
CIA-23WebGUI: Add a has method to Session/Setting, so that it's easy to check if a setting20:41
@preactionoh lord. i'm checking out the svn repo with git-svn. and it's at r50. of 10754...20:41
CIA-23WebGUI: already exists. Very handy for upgrade scripts.20:41
@preactionr500 of 10756... this might take a while...20:46
+perlDreamerhm 10:52 - 10:47/(500-50) ~ 5 minutes for 450 commits20:50
+perlDreamerroughly 25X more commits to go20:51
+perlDreamerso 135 minutes20:51
+perlDreamerthat's enough time to meet a friend for 5 mile run, drive back home, shower and eat lunch20:57
+perlDreamerRFE ++20:59
+perlmonkey2preaction: you are a brave soul.21:00
@preactioni need it. i can't handle keeping all these changes in one SVN repo in limbo like i do21:01
@preactioni end up committing half of them erroneously, or having to make absolutely sure, or not being able to work on two features in one file...21:02
CIA-23WebGUI: sno * r10756 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Workflow_Activity_CleanLoginHistory.pm: Option messages for Admin panel.21:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10757 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add an Inbox setting to send the user a copy of messages that they send.21:08
@preactionand if people keep adding revisions, my git-svn clone will NEVER FINISH21:09
+perlDreamersorry :/21:09
+perlDreamerthe good news is that they're small, and it's pulling revs faster than we can make them21:09
+perlDreameruntil RFESlasherMcGurk shows up21:09
@preactioner... well after 2200 it decided to do some compressing thing. 21:11
+perlDreamergoing faster?21:17
@preaction2800 now, i suspect it' will be usable by tonight21:19
+perlDreamerit'll be faster once we're all in git21:22
+perlDreamerRFE ++21:24
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@Haargpreaction, i could give you my repo21:27
@Haargwhen i built it, i downloaded a copy of the full repo off the server to make it go at a reasonable speed21:29
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10758 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileCategory.pm: Remove some whitespace.21:41
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10759 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm: Document the store method in POD for Account.21:41
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10760 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Only use 1 i18n object.21:41
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10761 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Add templated inbox notifications.21:41
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perlDreamer1am I back?21:47
* perlDreamer1 goes running21:48
perlDreamer1be back before preaction's git-svn download finishes21:48
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@Haargalso, it will take much longer than you think to build a webgui git repo if you include the branches.22:00
@Haargthere is one branch that was made by mistake that is a copy of svn root22:00
@Haargso it rebuilds the whole history again22:01
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r10762 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): - Fixed a search tickets problem in the EMS badge builder template.22:06
@Haargpreaction, i'm uploading my git repo to dusk.  eta 87 minutes.  goes back to webgui 0.9.22:12
@preactioni just checked out https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI, so it should be just waht i need22:14
@preactioni'm already up to 630022:14
@Haargyeah, that goes a lot faster22:14
@preactionand your git repo in dusk won't commit back to svn will it? or could you add an auto-hook that would git-svn dcommit22:15
@preactioni'm pulling a master and i'll make local branches for all my changes, then push back to master and then dcommit22:15
@Haargwhat i'm uploading is just a tarball of what i'm using basically22:15
@Haargso yes it will commit back to svn22:15
@preactionohh, i get it22:17
@Haargit's basically just a git svn checkout that's been massaged a bit to have more data and so i can rebuild it faster22:19
@tavistopreaction, I need your l33t gallery sk1llz22:22
@tavistoer kn0wl3dge22:22
@preactiontavisto: wat j00 n33d22:22
@tavistoI have been tasked with grouping the webgui sightings into categories that match our solutions section22:22
@tavistotherefore, business, gov, non-prof, education22:23
@preactionindividual galleries?22:23
@tavistoyessir, so I'm curious if I can just go in and manage the current monster gallery for sightings and cut/paste the albums 22:23
@tavistoI don't think this is a problem but I wasn't sure since I've never done anything like this before22:23
@preactionyes, cut/paste should work fine22:33
@tavistothat is great news22:33
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CIA-23WebGUI: - Fixed a problem in the EMS calculating prices on tickets with a badge that22:54
CIA-23WebGUI:  has an existing ribbon.22:54
@preactionIT'S DONE! YAY!23:06
@preactiononly 2 hours, not bad23:06
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CIA-23WebGUI: joeri * r10764 /WebGUI/ (11 files in 10 dirs): add PayPal paydriver23:20
carograywebstatistics question23:21
carograyhosted on plainblack when we look at webstatistics for hosts - we are assuming that the hosts are the the hosts of our visitors? or the ip addresses of people looking at our website23:22
carograyPlain Black is "looking" at our pages more than anyone else - way more than anyone else?23:22
carograydoesn't this then skew all of the results of our statistics like how many pages are looked at?23:23
dapperedodoI think that will be spectre who is looking23:23
carograyok - but it isn't people who are using our information right?23:23
dapperedodoWell, you never know that for sure if you put things on the internet23:24
@preactioncarogray: that's probably spectre, yes. what IP address specifically?23:26
@preactionor what hostname?23:26
@preactionwe can make it so those don't show up anymore, if you post to the support board and ask23:26
carograyugh! have to go! 15 minutes ago! will you guys still be aorund  in a couple of hours or tomorrow?23:27
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@preactioni really need to stop giving PB help here...23:34
@Haargpreaction, if you want a more complete git repo, it's on dusk in my home dir23:40
@preactionokay, thanks. i might replace my SVN.master with it23:41
ckotilso i just lost some perl modules which broke webgui after a restart of httpd. i rerean testEnvironment, and it downloaded what i had lost. so its working again23:45
ckotilso far i cant figure out why/how i lost the perl modules.23:45
@preactionwrong environment?23:45
@preactionnew WRE?23:45
ckotilwrong env maybe. but i called the apache restart script via sudo like i always do23:46
ckotilits a source install23:46
@preactionperhaps someone else did it and didn't know they were doing wrong? perhaps the version numbers we needed got bumped up?23:48
CIA-23WebGUI: sno * r10765 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/AssetManager.pm Search.pm): 23:48
CIA-23WebGUI: Admin Panel asset search extension: allow searching by assetId with the inclusion of a helper keyword:23:48
CIA-23WebGUI: assetid: <an_asset_id>23:48
CIA-23WebGUI: assetId search is performed using a logical OR so multiple helper:key pairs can be applied23:48
CIA-23WebGUI: and normal keywords can also be used in the same query23:48
ckotilimpossible to say. i just hope i stumble accross something that explains what just happened.23:48
ckotilmy heart always drops when i see service unavailable.23:49
ckotilsaw this in apache logs.   Can't locate object method "open" via package "WebGUI::Session" at /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/URL/Content.pm line 54.\n23:49
ckotilsaw nothing in webgui log.23:49
@preactionmissing modules will do that23:49
ckotilso that tipped me off to rerun the testEnv script23:50
ckotilMIME::Tools was one missing package, and i forget the others.23:50
@Haargi think i'm going to add and use Scope::Guard as a way to deal with session's tendancy to leak23:51
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ckotilmodules installed via testEnv dont update the history file for cpan23:52
ckotilor maybe im lookin int he wrong place23:52
@preactionckotil: that's weird. it uses CPAN.pm to do it23:52
ckotilah, at least i can see the build files in .cpan/build. File::Temp, MIME::Tools, File::Path were reinstalled23:55
@preactionFile::Path is a standard module, same as File::Temp23:56
@preactionso whatever happened, it's pretty weird23:56
@preactionwooo! go joeri! paypal driver!23:57
dapperedodono that would be woo go Paul Wrightson, he created it23:57
@preactionoh, then WOOOOO!23:58
@preactionyay for new committers!23:58
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@preactionso how could i justify this patch i made to allow Redirect to show up in Page Layout with a template?00:00
@preactionelnino asked for the feature, didn't make an RFE, but i did it anyway because i was bored one night00:01
@Haargpreaction, if you do use my git repo, you'll note it maps svn users to real names.  if new names show up you'll have to add them to the authors file it uses.  alternatively, you could just remove that from the config file.00:01
@preactionand now i get this strange sense of deja vu like she asked for this before and was rejected... like i've argued for it before...00:01
@preactionHaarg: it doesn't happen automatically?00:02
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@Haargit will refuse to continue updating until you add an entry to the authors file00:02
@preactionah, nice00:02
perlDreamer1Haarg, you think Session is leaking?00:04
@Haargnot currently00:04
@Haargbut it's easy to write code that does leak it00:04
@Haargand depending on the design of the code, fixing the leaks can be painful00:04
@Haargexport code specifically00:05
perlDreamer1too true :/00:05
@Haargwould be much friendlier to be able to just throw an error or return00:05
@Haarginstead of having to close the session before doing that00:05
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perlDreamer1merging code from old versions of wG into HEAD is hard!00:27
@preactionyes, yessir it is00:30
@preactioneasier to merge back to older versions imho00:30
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@preactionso i made a Form::SelectAsset control, but i don't know if it works :(00:30
perlDreamer1you _do_ know what I'm going to say to that, right?00:31
@preactionOMG NO, WUT00:31
perlDreamer1How about writing a test? :)00:31
perlDreamer1tests are easy, friendly, and have two major benefits00:31
perlDreamer11) they make sure that the codes works today and will work tomorrow00:32
@preactionbut tomorrow or something. i've got real work to do and i'm sitting here cleaning out my SVN repo of all the bits of code i've written and told nobody about00:32
perlDreamer12) They get annoying, insistent, berating code maintainers off yer back00:32
perlDreamer1Of course, if Haarg weren't so nice all the time, I wouldn't have to be annoying, insistent, berating, impatient and voluble all the time, either.00:33
@preactionsweet. now i have git clones for each of my in-progress features (only 4, not counting the other full SVN clones and my Doug's Experimental branch)00:34
@preactionoh, wait, 500:34
@Haargwhat do you mean by git clones?00:34
@preactiongit clone WebGUI_SVN.master <some name>00:35
@preactionthen i can git push WebGUI_SVN.master, and then git-svn dcommit in my .master00:35
CIA-23WebGUI: dwrandall * r10766 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Content Delivery Network (CDN) - optional, for either uploads only or both uploads & extras (rfe 9134)00:35
@preactionwait, who?00:36
@Haargnot sure how you installed git, but the source archive includes a script in contribs that will create symlinked working directories00:36
@Haargthen you could dcommit from any of the directories00:36
perlDreamer1yeah, who?00:37
@preactionHaarg: yeah, but there was a huge disclaimer about "HYRE BE DRAGYNS" that i didn't want to deal with00:38
@Haargit's worked mostly fine for me00:38
@preactioni didn't understand, something about deleting branches and corrupting the clone repo00:38
@Haargare you sure you mean the same thing?00:38
@preactionmost likely it's someone being too thorough on the manpage, but a two-step commit is fine for me00:38
@Haargthere are some options you can give to the clone command to do some odd things00:39
@preactionman git-clone, the --shared option00:39
@Haargthe script i'm using is different00:39
@Haargit just symlinks all the relevant files/dirs00:39
perlDreamer1it's not bad code00:40
perlDreamer1there's tests00:40
@preactionbut wouldn't symlinks cause me to edit both the clone and the source repo?00:40
perlDreamer1code formatting is strange.  Random indents and cuddled elses00:40
@Haargdepends on what you mean00:40
@Haargas long as they are working on different branches, it doesn't matter00:41
@Haargthe repo as a whole would be shared, but the data is all still kept separate00:41
@preactionoh, ohhhh, OHHHHH. i didn't have to do this, i could have just done "git branch"00:41
@Haargfor most things, yeah00:41
@preactioni'm still thinking like SVN, where branching is a stupid and dangerous thing00:42
@Haargalthough sometimes it's nice to have separate working directories for things00:42
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perlDreamer1only thing that's bad is that he didn't put a notice in the changelog00:43
perlDreamer1but he wrote 38 tests to validate his new CDN storage code00:43
perlDreamer1which is cool!00:43
perlDreamer1each new method added to Session/Url and Session/Id got a test00:44
@preactionit'd be nice to see some examples of how to use it with S3 or whatever other CDN are out there00:45
@preactionotherwise i like it, it adds some wonderful features in a nice way into a very old part of WebGUI00:46
perlDreamer1someone needs to let him know about the changelog and general coding standards00:46
@preactioni can ask who dunnit so we can mention it00:47
perlDreamer1u da man, dawg00:47
@HaargperlDreamer1, are there any particular rough spots you noticed when working on exporting in story manager?00:48
perlDreamer1worked fine00:48
@Haarglooks like i'm going to end up refactoring some parts of the export code00:48
perlDreamer1AssetExport code, or Story* export code?00:49
perlDreamer1that would be very good00:49
@Haargit won't be all that different, but at least cleaned up in some ways00:49
perlDreamer1is t/Mail/Send.t working for you, Haarg?00:50
@Haarg7.6 or 7.7?00:50
perlDreamer1I'm neck deep in merging RFE code00:51
perlDreamer1that test was acting funny last night00:51
@Haargworks for me00:51
@Haargalthough i have seen it act odd from time to time00:51
perlDreamer1random pairs of tests would fail00:51
@preactionthe only suitable course is for me to commit ritual seppuku to absolve myself of the sin of t/Mail/Send.t00:59
perlDreamer1preaction, it's a great test01:00
perlDreamer1there are things that we couldn't test without it01:00
perlDreamer1instead of sepuku, you must find a way to refactor it to make it more testable01:00
@preactionanyway, real work now!01:00
perlDreamer1I have read the PayPal code01:00
perlDreamer1and it's not going to pass the POD tests01:01
perlDreamer1Haarg, I'm going to start running regressions now01:01
perlDreamer1maybe we'll get done by Friday01:01
@Haargi still have a number of things to commit01:01
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10767 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Add missing changelog entry for rfe #913401:07
CIA-23WebGUI: dagitz * r10768 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/sharefolder.gif: Addes sharefolder.gif01:07
CIA-23WebGUI: dagitz * r10769 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/story.gif: added story.gif01:07
CIA-23WebGUI: dagitz * r10770 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/storyarchive.gif: added storyarchive.gif01:07
CIA-23WebGUI: dagitz * r10771 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/storytopic.gif: added storytopic.gif01:07
CIA-23WebGUI: dagitz * r10772 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/small/storytopic.gif: added small storytopic.gif01:07
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CIA-23WebGUI: dagitz * r10775 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/small/sharefolder.gif: added small sharefolder.gif01:07
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10776 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Enable WebGUI sites to send SMS messages as inbox notifications.01:07
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@tavisto*Tavisto snaps out of 80's karaoke night* ... preaction, did you solve the case?01:12
@HaargperlDreamer1, preaction, http://gist.github.com/111343 if you care to look01:13
@Haargstill incomplete01:13
@preactionThe Case of the Missing Millionaire? well, i recovered 500,000, and i'll return the 300,000 to the authorities01:13
@tavistoum no.. Nancy Drew... I'm talking about your staff email01:14
@tavistowhat is the "new hotness" feature you're talking about01:15
perlDreamer1Haarg, doesn't it still need to output messages back to the user, in addition to the throw?01:15
@preactioni had heard it was someone from Donorware01:15
@Haargthat's handled by the method that calls it01:15
@tavistoColin that's very cool about the SMS messages01:15
@preactiontavisto: the Content Delivery Network thing? allows you to use Amazon S3 or some other CDN to speed up requests01:16
@preactioni forget what that other big CDN is01:16
@tavistoyeah must be... I had not heard of this...01:16
perlDreamer1tavisto: cool features today: CDN handling for wG, SMS messaging, PayPal driver01:16
perlDreamer1akamai is a CDN?01:16
@tavistooooh paypal!01:16
@preactionakamai, that's the one01:16
perlDreamer1isn't all core code supposed to have the copyright sent back to PB?01:17
@tavistosomeone must have big plans if they're going to use amazon s3 or akamai servers for their content01:17
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@preactionit's Donorware, they're big, and they have plans, so they're big plans ;)01:18
@tavistothat's awesome... I can only hope that some of their wG clients want to move to that01:18
@preactionindeed. especially for world-wide sites it will improve response times (since CDNs usually do geocaching)01:19
@tavistoso perldreamer1, I take it we could add a new option to allow password recovery to be an sms message01:21
@tavistoI know my bank (Chase) seems to favor that option01:21
* perlDreamer1 would have to think about that. Right now only inbox notifications are setup with that route01:21
perlDreamer1it could be done01:21
@preactionthat would be nice actually. requires they have the phone instead of an e-mail account one can login to wherever01:23
@tavistoyep I'm sure it could be now that you've got some of it in place01:23
@tavistoit's a nice option to have.. assuming they already have their phone # in their profile. Otherwise it's a miserable failure01:23
@preactionwell, we'd only send the pw to sms if they can, otherwise we'd go back to e-mail :p01:24
@tavistoI would like a snail mail option too please. ;)01:24
@preactionhmm... that might be an idea. an email to snail-mail gateway, like paycheques01:25
@preactionthey just get printed and sent, almost no user interaction (afaik)01:25
@tavistonooo.. 01:25
@preactionthey're special paper and printers, it's like an envelope with carbon-paper inside01:26
@preactionuse the special printer to print one side, then laser the address on the other01:26
* preaction gets head out of the clouds01:27
@preactionwe could add an e-mail to fax gateway though01:27
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10777 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (Wobject/StoryTopic.pm Wobject/StoryArchive.pm Story.pm): Make the Story Manager assets use the new icons.01:33
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10778 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/PayPal/PayPalStd.pm: Fix POD whitespace problem in the new PayPal driver.01:33
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10779 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.5-7.7.6.pl: Fix syntax errors in the upgrade script.01:33
@HaargperlDreamer1, what would you think of changing tests to use Scope::Guard instead of an END block01:33
@Haargit would take a while to change all the tests, but the main advantage would be allowing the tests to run through something like Test::Aggregate01:34
@Haargwhich would speed up running all the tests substantially01:35
perlDreamer1Haarg, I'm not familiar with Scope::Guard, how does it make removing the END block work?01:36
@preactionit runs some code when the scope ends01:36
@Haargwell, it basically just returns an object with a destroy method01:36
@preactioni think, that's what i read01:36
@Haargand the destroy method calls an arbitrary sub01:37
@Haargso instead of having an end block, you would have at the top of the test 'my $guard = Scope::Guard->new(sub { cleanup; });'01:38
@HaargTest::Aggregate is kind of hackish, but it runs all the tests in the same perl interpreter01:39
@Haargso you don't have to re-load modules01:39
@Haargthat wouldn't work at all with all the cleanup code in the end blocks though, since many of the tests rely on having a clean db01:39
perlDreamer1I stuck it in an END block because for many errors, the tests clean themselves up anyway01:41
perlDreamer1but it doesn't always work01:41
@preactiondoes Scope::Guard / DESTROY get called in case of a die?01:43
@Haargwell, i think using something like Scope::Guard you get similar guarantees that the code will be run compared to and END01:43
perlDreamer1then we only have the problems of updating every single test, seeing how well they work run in aggregate, and all the script support to make it work.01:44
@Haargnot a small amount of work certainly01:45
perlDreamer1updating the tests is not that much work, I've already been doing that for the object clean-up01:45
@Haargi'd say we should use Test::Class instead, but it's hard to know when that will be working again01:45
@Haarghave to go, be back in a little01:46
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@preactiongood lord what happened to donorware?01:46
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@preactiondonor.com is their new site, and it's... incredible01:46
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@preactionand it's a WebGUI site01:47
@tavistooooh ooh ooooh!01:47
@tavistooh yeah that's not new01:47
@tavistogood site though01:47
@preactionokay, i remember their olllld old site01:48
@preactionback when i was upgrading them to 6.801:48
@tavistoyeah it was ugh01:48
@preactionit was functional, but not so much the pretty01:48
@preactionwell. it wasn't so much the functional either...01:48
@preactionthey had three sites they merged into one01:48
@tavistoi like the iDasco app they have hehe01:48
* preaction wrote the "Splitting and Merging WebGUI Sites" presentation from that experience01:48
@tavistosounds like a blast01:49
@preactionthe experience was nice. the presentation sucked01:50
@tavistoanyone have an idea about this?01:51
@tavistoI was able to widgetize a webgui calendar by starting the new demo you gave me and using the macro but when I copied the code over to my site it displayed the entire webgui page housing the calendar within the set dimensions rather than just the calendar. Ideas?01:51
@preactionstyle template maybe? or wrong URL?01:52
@tavistoisnt the widget function only supposed to bring over the asset?01:52
@tavistohmm... think it could be the page url instead of the actual calendar? :)01:52
perlDreamer1widget is broken, it's a known bug01:53
perlDreamer1however, try the beta server instead to see if it works differently01:53
@tavistoI just looked and it's the correct url01:54
@tavistooh crap01:54
@tavistoyou just peed on my cheerios perlDreamer01:54
perlDreamer1do try the beta server, tavisto01:54
@tavistoyep will do.. the widget isn't enabled on the regular demo.plainblack server though01:54
perlDreamer1well, let me be blunt01:55
perlDreamer1I had a prototype fix for the Widget01:55
perlDreamer1it seemed to work for me01:55
perlDreamer1but it got accidently committed before I was fully convinced that it worked the way the widget was supposed to01:55
perlDreamer1when I left it last, it showed just the content, not a whole page01:56
perlDreamer1it would be in 7.7.5 or .601:56
perlDreamer1maybe another dev could look at it in HEAD and let me know how close I got?01:56
@tavistojust like on the other demo server, widgets are not enabled01:58
@tavistoer the macro is not01:58
perlDreamer1preaction: can you take a peek at it?01:59
@preactioni can't right now, but perhaps in the future02:02
@tavistoperlDreamer1, I don't see a bug report on this. I see one about the templating being broken02:03
perlDreamer1it's the same one02:03
perlDreamer1same thing02:03
perlDreamer1without a template, it's broken02:03
perlDreamer1with a template, it's kind of broken02:03
@tavistooh okay.. 02:03
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@preactionhm.. wonder if/when donorware will upgrade to the new Shop. they've got some old Commerce plugins that would need updating02:06
perlDreamer1there was a guy in the forum asking if there were plans to reintroduce the multiple variant category into the Shop.02:09
@preactioni don't see why really, since it's just another level of complexity that's not really necessary02:09
perlDreamer1oh, ask SDuensin02:09
@preactionthough perhaps an easy UI to add/edit variants that does levels like that02:10
perlDreamer1if you have a high number of variants, it helps a lot02:10
perlDreamer1he was making one for a jewelry shop, where you can order rings by one of like 30 sizes, in several metals and with different stone options02:10
perlDreamer130*X*Y is a big number to add02:10
@preactionah, true02:10
@preactionperhaps easier would be to add a Size to the Ring product when the ring is purchased02:11
@preactionokay, maybe not easier02:11
perlDreamer1worth thinking about, though02:14
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10780 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm: Fix a missing help title for the Survey.02:19
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10781 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: Fix bad JSON in the new CDN section02:19
@tavistoperlDreamer, I added extra description and a screenshot to that bug report. In case other people (like me) are out there and aren't understanding the bug02:26
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10782 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add a basic test for the PayPalStd driver.03:06
CIA-23WebGUI: ekennedy * r10783 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Implemented RFE 10253 - Select DataForm HTMLArea Rich Text Editor - Provides ability to specify the Rich Editor to be used for htmlArea fields on a given DataForm Wobject03:06
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r10784 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.6/root_import_survey_default-feedback.wgpkg: Fixed bad i18n call in Survey feedback template03:06
@preactionwow, today was huge RFE day03:07
perlDreamer16-7 big RFEs03:08
@preactioni still haven't gotten my RFE in yet03:09
perlDreamer1I'll quit bothering you03:10
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perlDreamer1hm, the new DataForm code needs i18n03:13
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@preactionokay, the Visual mode in vim just became my new best friend03:16
@preactiondo capital-V, select some lines, then :s/Something/SomeOtherThing/g<Enter> <- MAGIC03:16
@preactionno more guessing line numbers and putting in stupid :.,.+20s/.../.../g03:16
perlDreamer1v is even better03:16
@preactioni like line-wise, i work line-wise more03:17
perlDreamer1for s///, I do too03:17
perlDreamer1but v is great for inserting the same thing in the same place03:17
perlDreamer1or for changing variable names when they are all lined up03:17
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@preactioni like . as well, especially with "c"hange03:18
@preactioni just forget to use change a lot03:18
* perlDreamer1 is going to take break before getting back to RFE merging central03:22
@preactionhumph. now i want a unified web services API for WebGUI03:23
@preactionfor consistency and code re-use's sake03:23
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10786 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_DataForm.pm Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm): i18n the choices for the new DataForm Rich Editor selector.03:31
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+patspamhmm, crud seems to be creating all entries with sequenceNumber=1, and then promote/demote doesn't work04:56
@preactionthat's not good04:56
+patspamusing a sequenceKey (assetId)04:56
+perlDreameralmost have all tests cleaned up04:59
+perlDreamerwith so many commits today, it's hard to tell what I've broken, vs other code.05:00
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10789 /WebGUI/t/Shop/TaxDriver/EU.t: 05:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Cleanup the sku created for testing.05:04
CIA-23WebGUI: Use the new WebGUI::Test->usersToDelete for user cleanup.05:04
+perlDreamersounds like Crud needs more tests05:07
+patspammea culpa05:10
+patspami wasn't passing in the sequenceKey when the empty crud item was created for the "Add" action05:11
+perlDreameryou have to do that?05:12
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10790 /WebGUI/t/Shop/TaxDriver/EU.t: Better cart cleanup, so it also removes the CartItems.05:20
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r10791 /WebGUI/t/ (Inbox Inbox/Message.t): Add a test for Inbox/Message, for status codes.05:20
+perlDreamergetting closer to clean05:21
@preactionwtf is WebGUI::Session::Env->clientIsSpider?05:27
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat cooked that up05:27
+perlDreamerit's a way of preventing bots05:28
+perlDreamerthat disobey robots.txt05:28
+perlDreamer_I think_05:28
@preactionbut it works based on useragent, and is thus completely innacurate05:28
@preactionwhat if i have a plugin in firefox called "webcrawler toolbar"?05:29
@preactioni'm a spider?05:29
+perlDreameractually, there's a $username eq 'preaction' for that.05:29
@preactionomg where?05:29
+perlDreamerack preaction /data/WebGUI/lib05:29
@preactionyou lied05:30
+perlDreamerwho? /me?05:30